Western Standard - Triggered： Crime and drug ridden transit nightmare continues

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Good morning. It's June 13th, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan. This is the

00:00:38.320 Western Standards Daily Live news, opinion, guest interview show. We cover a bit of everything.

00:00:44.460 We talk about a lot of stuff. And hopefully, as I was talking to Nico about before, occasionally

00:00:49.080 come up with some productive solutions for things. Otherwise, I just rant a lot and get stuff off my

00:00:54.280 chest. But I think some other people share those things they're angry about. And maybe, you know,

00:00:59.080 as we get each other all stirred up, we can all actually come up with some good ideas and

00:01:04.000 solutions out there. As you can see from the comments from Nico there and the comments in

00:01:07.420 the scroll, comments are welcome. I like seeing that interaction, guys. That's what makes being

00:01:11.480 live worth it, right? We can chat back and forth, maybe get somewhere, discuss things with each

00:01:16.680 other, send questions for my guests. I don't necessarily get them all in, but I try to.

00:01:20.960 And as always, try to keep it fairly civil though, and don't spam the comment scroll, please.

00:01:25.800 Good to see.

00:01:26.300 I love seeing that.

00:01:27.140 You know, New Brunswick, Saskatchewan, Sherwood Park, California.

00:01:30.260 Woody coming in from down south.

00:01:31.860 Awesome to see you guys.

00:01:33.680 All right.

00:01:34.080 So I'm going to start with a couple of the observances before, you know, as everybody's

00:01:37.120 getting logged on, I like to cover these important things.

00:01:40.100 A couple of observances.

00:01:41.220 And it's funny.

00:01:42.220 There was a day today that seems like it was modeled for my wife, Jane.

00:01:45.740 Now, she's got a very special day coming up.

00:01:48.380 It's her birthday tomorrow.

00:01:50.140 But the other observance today seems more modeled for her.

00:01:53.360 and it's the Kitchen Klutzes of America Day.

00:01:56.200 And hey, Jane, beautiful, I love you.

00:01:58.820 You're a magnificent, fantastic woman,

00:02:00.600 and I can't believe you still put up with me.

00:02:02.560 But all the same, boy, there's the day for you

00:02:05.560 if we want to see somebody who can go through wine glasses

00:02:07.660 and a number of things.

00:02:09.240 It's Jane, and she's obviously not alone

00:02:11.020 because they've made a whole day for Kitchen Klutzes.

00:02:13.620 So hey, make sure to give your local Kitchen Klutz a hug 0.63

00:02:17.040 or demand that you be recognized for your klutziness 0.56

00:02:19.480 and have it appreciated today.

00:02:21.820 It's also Weed Your Garden Day.

00:02:24.080 I think that just kind of goes all summer though, doesn't it?

00:02:27.440 I don't know.

00:02:28.100 The only thing I can tend to grow in my garden, even though I try every year, is weeds.

00:02:31.440 But maybe eventually I'll find weeds that just look half decent and keep those growing

00:02:35.200 and it'll look as if I did it on purpose.

00:02:36.920 But either way, today is the day you're supposed to really get out there and rip those things

00:02:40.680 out.

00:02:40.860 We're supposed to get a few inches of rain in the next couple of days, so it might not

00:02:43.680 be the best time for it.

00:02:44.820 But hey, today's the day for it if you're up for it.

00:02:48.200 Okay, I got a couple of guests coming up a little later.

00:02:49.860 and it's going to be Dr. Bill Buick of Fairness, Alberta, on what they're calling the unjust

00:02:54.640 transition. His organization's been outspoken and working a lot on the equalization referendum,

00:03:02.040 you know, and basically Fairness, Alberta, right? Well, this transition, of course,

00:03:05.620 targets the West and targets Alberta in particular. So I'm certain Bill's going to

00:03:09.340 have some things to say about that. And that's their latest release. I think I'm going to have

00:03:13.040 Adam Patterson of the Korth Group. Now, this is a firearm distribution company and they're

00:03:18.380 Alberta based. And I want to talk about, you know, something that gets lost when we talk about

00:03:22.820 firearm bans and, and regulations, all these restrictions is there's actually an industry

00:03:27.440 there though. Keep that in mind. There are thousands of people who work in the firearms

00:03:30.240 industry everywhere from sales and distribution to repairs to, you know, shooting centers,

00:03:36.000 you name it. Now I want to talk a little bit from that industry perspective. You know, when you go

00:03:39.660 out there and you attack any kind of industry, typically you get some pushback and stand up for

00:03:43.200 themselves, but firearms distributors, well, they, they seem sometimes not allowed to stand up for

00:03:48.040 themselves. So it'd be a good conversation with Adam there. So now, yes, I'm going to get on to

00:03:52.600 what's got me ranting today to start things out. I guess in a sense, I should celebrate. The

00:03:57.380 mainstream media has finally stood up and taken notice of the fact that Calgary's city transit's

00:04:02.200 become a drug and crime-ridden dystopian nightmare. Our state broadcaster, the CBC,

00:04:08.560 sent a reporter out to ride Calgary's trains for a few hours. And she reported on it honestly. She

00:04:13.060 saw chronic open drug use, aggressive addicts, and no less than three overdose incidents. Yeah,

00:04:18.180 that's just one ride, guys. Well, one day anyways. In interviewing other riders, she was greeted with

00:04:22.920 a plethora of stories of violence and drug use. People told her they avoid using transit whenever

00:04:28.560 possible, and statistically it matches up. Reported crime is up 47% on transit just this year.

00:04:35.160 Unreported crimes are surely much harder, but many people have chosen not to ride transit any longer,

00:04:40.500 or if they do, they just put their earbuds in and turn a blind eye into what they see going on around them.

00:04:45.120 Getting on the phone could draw attention to yourself in a dangerous environment.

00:04:48.780 Basically, people riding public transit have adopted a jailhouse mentality of introverted self-preservation.

00:04:54.520 Just keep to yourself. I see nothing.

00:04:57.280 The question I have to ask, though, is what the hell took them so long to notice?

00:05:00.780 This issue didn't just spring up overnight.

00:05:02.620 The horror story of Calgary's transit system is the consequence of willful ignorance

00:05:06.500 on the part of civic officials and the mainstream media for a long time.

00:05:10.500 They just hoped if they buried their heads in the sand long enough, this problem would fix itself.

00:05:14.520 And unsurprisingly, it got worse, and it continues to do so.

00:05:17.700 We've been reporting on this problem with the Western Standard for well over a year now.

00:05:21.420 In February 2021, I wrote a piece on the issues with the train and accompanied it with a footage of a man smoking meth on there.

00:05:27.780 For that, the Western Standard got kicked off YouTube for a week.

00:05:30.320 Turns out we're not allowed to show any footage of drug consumption, even when it's directly related to a news story.

00:05:35.920 A policy of forced ignorance on the issue, basically.

00:05:38.920 We've reported on the transit mayhem issue over a dozen times all the same.

00:05:42.580 We just take care to avoid the videos that'll get us banned.

00:05:45.300 People need to see, though, just how bad it's gotten.

00:05:47.900 Most people don't need to go downtown, and most of those who do understandably choose not to use transit,

00:05:53.460 so they don't know how bad it is.

00:05:55.820 Sharing videos and images of the mess, we can give people an idea of what it looks like on the trains and in the bus shelters these days.

00:06:02.000 Unfortunately, we're not really allowed. 0.94

00:06:04.180 One Calgary city councillor did what none of the other carbled councillors would. 0.99

00:06:08.560 He went out and rode the train for a few hours last month. 0.99

00:06:11.360 As with every commuter, he was greeted with a scene of violence, drug use, disorder, trash,

00:06:15.060 and witnessed what appeared to be an overdose.

00:06:17.160 He posted a picture of a person sprawled unconscious on the floor of the train.

00:06:21.040 For that, Councillor Dan McLean was shouted down and accused of shaming vulnerable people.

00:06:25.240 City council members and progressive media folks were enraged that he dared share his experience and that picture.

00:06:31.060 What the progressive set in Calgary was most pissed about, though,

00:06:33.780 was that McLean exposed the horror story on transit that they wanted to pretend wasn't

00:06:37.580 happening. McLean was shattering the illusion of everything being fine. City council is acting like

00:06:42.620 a bunch of children, their fingers screwed into their ears, shouting to avoid hearing what they

00:06:46.360 don't want to hear. Well, it's too bloody bad, kids. You guys are being paid the big bucks to

00:06:50.520 take on the tough issues, and this one's right in your lap, whether you like it or not. Calgary's

00:06:54.380 city administration, much of the council, doesn't even want to admit there's a problem, much less

00:06:58.180 deal with it. The consequences of their inaction on this file are dire, as multi-billion dollar

00:07:04.020 transit systems have been abandoned by citizens and taken over by attics. Last January, the city 0.99

00:07:08.800 of Calgary closed a number of large LRT stations because of the encampments of attics they weren't 1.00

00:07:14.460 willing to handle. They remain closed today. Taxpaying transit riders have to shiver in the 1.00

00:07:18.900 rain, wind, and snow while looking at a shuttered, heated station right next to them that they paid

00:07:23.220 for. They still have to deal with the crime-ridden transit system as a whole, too, since closing the

00:07:26.980 stations did nothing to address the problem. The cowardice on the part of city officials on this

00:07:31.280 issue has to come to an end. The City of Calgary either needs to crack down and take back its

00:07:35.500 transit system or they may as well shut it down altogether because doing nothing is no longer an

00:07:39.540 option. Homelessness and addiction are complicated issues and they need to be addressed. Letting an

00:07:44.600 entire transit system turn into a de facto homeless camp and a rolling drug consumption

00:07:48.620 system though isn't helping. Cleaning up the transit system is not, it's going to be a tough

00:07:53.860 an ugly job. Police need resources, not the belittlement and using of defunding that they've

00:07:58.900 gotten from any city council members. We need enforcement to remove the problematic people

00:08:03.760 from the transit facilities and keep them off. And that's going to be a rough and probably

00:08:07.040 dangerous job. There's likely going to be videos of law enforcement personnel physically dragging

00:08:11.200 people out of the facilities or arresting them, and the usual anti-police suspects will indignantly

00:08:15.280 howl about it. Those anti-police advocates don't have to ride the train, of course.

00:08:19.040 So what are we to do with the troubled people once they've been removed from the transit

00:08:21.600 facilities? Well, that's a good and a tough question. We need to have some serious discussion

00:08:25.220 about it. In the meantime, though, we have to accept that addicts don't belong on the transit

00:08:29.380 system. Alternative media outlets such as ours were ignored by city officials. Now that the CBC

00:08:34.080 has taken notice of the issue, perhaps something's finally going to be done. I don't care what the

00:08:37.700 catalyst for action on this is. I just want to see it acted upon. So that's what's got me wound up

00:08:43.400 today. Like I said, a bit of a hats off to the CBC. I mean, again, better late than never.

00:08:48.980 and maybe those clowns at city council 0.88

00:08:51.280 will pop their fingers over their ears

00:08:52.620 long enough to realize what everybody else

00:08:54.280 has been screaming at them

00:08:55.360 for the last year and a half.

00:08:56.920 All right, let's check in to the newsroom now

00:09:00.040 with Eva Sudik. 0.99

00:09:02.720 How are you doing?

00:09:03.780 I'm good, Corey.

00:09:05.080 Thanks for shedding light

00:09:06.040 on the LRT situation in Calgary.

00:09:08.580 Maybe CBC was doing hats off to you with that story.

00:09:11.940 I won't hold my breath on that either.

00:09:14.880 Today in the news,

00:09:16.240 we have a similar story to last Monday.

00:09:18.260 I checked in and we had an update on millions of COVID tests that had been shelved by the

00:09:24.400 government. Well, today we've been enlightened to the thousands of ventilators that are being

00:09:28.980 stockpiled. In a $237 million deal, 10,000 ventilators were ordered and more than 9,000

00:09:37.080 of them are in the national emergency stockpile now. Another story, an unvaccinated Canadian 1.00

00:09:44.120 living in New Zealand has not been able to visit home since the pandemic began.

00:09:48.600 She recently reached out to Liberal MP Adam Van Coverden by sending an Instagram message explaining

00:09:56.280 her story and asking for him to support removing restrictions. He then responded with an FU along

00:10:01.960 with some other degrading comments. Nuclear energy, yeah, are elected at their best. I wish they'd be 0.96

00:10:10.120 more candid more often actually we get to really see who they are yes for sure people should

00:10:15.000 definitely go and read his other comments that he sent to that woman in that story there

00:10:20.760 we have a nuclear energy story where a ceo is asking for more taxpayer dollars as to meet

00:10:26.920 climate change targets set by the government you can learn more about the millions spent on

00:10:32.840 nuclear in canada and how much canadians have gotten back from that money i wrote a story this

00:10:38.600 morning um about the many opponents of the conservative party leadership race that are

00:10:43.640 pointing fingers at candidate candidate pierre polyev um after he fought after he uh put out

00:10:51.240 his membership number announcement now leslin lewis's party is saying that polyev campaign

00:10:56.520 purposefully uh sold their duplicate memberships and john sherey made up a new word called pierre

00:11:03.800 inflation when talking about the numbers amanda will have a story coming out later today on the

00:11:09.560 increase of gun interest that has spiked across alberta and bc after the announcement of an

00:11:14.600 impending gun ban and we have um our fearless leader trudeau has tested positive for covid

00:11:21.400 this morning um now i've compiled a list of the different trudeau hashtags that have been trending

00:11:28.200 on twitter the last couple months in the last couple weeks today is trudeau for treason but

00:11:35.640 um last week it was trudeau was destroying canada and before that hashtag trudeau must resign trudeau

00:11:41.720 must go trudeau the tyrant and trudeau crime minister are the most popular ones oh isn't he

00:11:47.160 the popular one indeed uh thoughts and prayers though i hope he recovers from what his fourth

00:11:51.720 or fifth bout with covet now yeah and after how many shots too he claims to have had

00:11:58.520 Well, I suspect Sophie probably won't catch it at least, so she'll be all right.

00:12:02.620 Yeah, I wonder who will catch it from him.

00:12:04.560 Good question.

00:12:06.820 But yeah, that's all we got in the news today.

00:12:09.000 All right.

00:12:09.500 Well, thank you for keeping up on the news, writing it up, and coming in to share it with us today.

00:12:16.500 Thanks for having me on the show, Corey.

00:12:18.100 All right, I won't bug you too much today.

00:12:20.480 That's Eva Sudik, and yes, she is one of our regulars in the newsroom,

00:12:24.080 back from a very extended vacation where she was watching for Trudeau to be surfing over on the

00:12:28.280 West Coast. Didn't manage to catch any footage of that, unfortunately. But as you heard and as you

00:12:32.980 saw, we got a lot of stories, a lot of stuff breaking. We've got a number of reporters. And

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00:13:25.440 will. I'll tell you, I know Derek will never accept it. I'm pretty confident if he ever did.

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00:13:34.420 So hey, if you haven't subscribed yet, get on there. And if you have already, thank you. We

00:13:39.220 really do appreciate it. All right, let's look at a little more of the discussion. I saw again,

00:13:44.780 you know, see again, the complicated nature of this whole addiction and transit and a number

00:13:49.560 of things. Boy, a lot of comments, and that's fantastic. But somebody was saying that he was

00:13:54.660 talking about an incident, I guess, where somebody had fallen off the tracks and was impaired on a

00:14:00.540 train station, and then police arrived and handcuffed the person, and apparently he felt

00:14:05.140 it was because the person was Indigenous. I don't know. You know, it's hard, but you see, here's some

00:14:10.340 of the trouble they get into, the no-win situation. I'm not saying that there's no prejudice that

00:14:16.580 happens between law enforcement officers or peace officers with ethnic minorities, whether they're

00:14:21.520 indigenous or black people. I mean, there's some preconceptions that are a problem. But the reality

00:14:26.260 too, and again, it's not just anecdotal, you know, if you want, you can go out and look.

00:14:30.520 And it's part of why this whole problem is big and complicated and sensitive. If you go out

00:14:35.640 downtown, you go on the train, and First Nations people are very overrepresented among the community

00:14:41.700 of those addicted. And that talks a lot more than how we have to deal with the socioeconomic mess 1.00

00:14:48.320 that our First Nations are in right now. And that goes into bigger conversations about the reserve

00:14:52.240 system and a whole bunch of things. But we have to have all these conversations. Now, law enforcement,

00:14:57.060 you go in though, and you do come in and restrain somebody. And perhaps inappropriately, you don't

00:15:03.100 know when you enter on the scene. If it's somebody who's strung out on meth, and again, people have

00:15:07.000 been working downtown, we've seen them. There's some people who are just crazy. They're scary.

00:15:10.840 They're strung out. They're moving around. They're out of control. And you can't just talk

00:15:16.020 to them. You can't reason with them. So sometimes handcuffs will be the first option. It might've

00:15:19.320 been a poor option in that circumstance. I don't know. But the job is tough and they get crapped

00:15:23.780 on no matter what they do. They got a bunch of us riding transit or working downtown or constantly

00:15:28.920 complaining, saying, clean it up. And the second they do, if they ever, anybody puts out any

00:15:32.640 footage of them actually in the process of doing it, they get crapped on for that too. So it's

00:15:40.220 just, it's ugly and it's problematic. And as I said, we got to deal with it. Otherwise,

00:15:44.360 if we just give away the system, we might as well. It's that bad. It's been since two years

00:15:49.760 and they can't blame COVID anymore. I mean, downtown is mostly filled. The parking lots

00:15:52.960 are filled. I drive down here. I mean, the vacancies are still bad for the commercial

00:15:56.860 buildings, but people, those who can work downtown are, but they aren't taking the train.

00:16:00.500 They won't. They can't. And we, 64% is what the levels are at compared to two years ago

00:16:09.120 on the train. So, you know, almost two thirds of Calgarians have said, no, we are not going to ride

00:16:14.840 it. Do something about it. It's council just pretends as if there's, there's, there's nothing

00:16:19.700 they can do. Chris Gibson saying, why aren't we consulting with First Nations about finding a

00:16:23.160 solution working together? I think we are. It's just hard. There's a lot of First Nations,

00:16:29.740 Indigenous outreach programs and facilities, things on reserves as well. And countless,

00:16:34.920 you know, educational and treatment things. Obviously, it's just not quite enough. And we've

00:16:39.900 got to look at all of these things. There's no easy things. As I was talking to somebody earlier

00:16:45.060 today, and I might talk with him later, and, you know, on another show, but this is, we've got a

00:16:49.820 number of problems going on. The first one I want to hit on today, though, is the trains are not

00:16:55.160 consumption centers. The stations are not consumption centers. They aren't homeless shelters.

00:16:59.340 It's a transit system. It's a place where people pay to safely move from one part of the city to

00:17:04.220 the other. And it's become unsafe. And it is falling apart. I mean, literally, they've locked

00:17:10.160 down a number of stations, we paid for those stations, they're sitting there locked up for

00:17:13.820 six months now, because the city's too afraid to actually evict the adult addicts from within.

00:17:19.880 Now, again, yes, you can't just kick them out. Well, you can, but it's not going to help anything.

00:17:23.740 Then you got the bigger problem, the harder problem, in fact, which is trying to find ways

00:17:28.320 to deal with the epidemic of addiction that we got going on right now. So let's start with the

00:17:32.860 easier problem, though, and taking it out of where it doesn't belong. And that's on the trains. It's

00:17:37.580 on transit. You've got to accept that it's unsustainable. That's a word they love in City

00:17:42.440 Hall. Sustainability. Well, this current mess on City Transit is not just trains. Drive along. Go 0.96

00:17:48.400 on McLeod. Pull in front of that bus shelter in front of a Chinook station. Nine out of ten times 0.98

00:17:53.660 there's people passed out or in the process of consuming drugs in them. Likewise, on 9th, when I

00:17:57.840 drive on there every day, there's a bus shelter. Again, there's always somebody passed. You don't

00:18:01.340 want to stand in there. Your average person doesn't want to deal with that. And we can't

00:18:04.720 pretend that addicts are always harmless. They're out of control sometimes and they can be aggressive

00:18:09.780 and dangerous. So let's accept that and start working from that. It doesn't mean you set aside

00:18:14.440 all compassion. It doesn't mean you don't want to help these people. It doesn't mean you don't

00:18:17.480 understand that they're in a bad place and we'd like to get them into a better spot. It just means

00:18:22.400 that we've got to work with what we've got in front of us right now first, get them out of where

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00:19:50.680 here. You know, Sam Short, I mean, talking about, you know, I'm pretty sure it was sarcastic saying

00:19:57.760 legalized drugs. Yeah, you know, it's a mixed thing when you come to the decriminalization

00:20:01.860 talk and stuff like that. You want to legalize the drugs altogether, because I mean, it doesn't

00:20:05.600 matter, because then you just got more gangs and others that are pushing and it still causes the

00:20:08.780 damage. Some people say, if you legalize it, you'll get nothing but safe supply. No, you won't.

00:20:14.480 The dealers will get it. They'll step on it, which means they're going to cut it in with

00:20:18.880 something else. And that's where some other danger will come, even if they get some better

00:20:21.820 supply to start with. Unfortunately, it's a simplistic solution to a bigger problem. But

00:20:26.020 trying to jail somebody because they have a minor amount of meth or heroin or something awful on

00:20:32.540 them, it's not to say you want them to consume these things. It's not saying it's a good idea

00:20:35.700 to just consume those things. But are you solving anything by charging people who are in that

00:20:39.920 condition? No, not really. So that's where you get more towards decriminalization rather than

00:20:43.620 legalization. It's still criminal, but how many resources do you want to chase going after

00:20:48.940 somebody who's a consumer of it? Hey, hit those dealers. I mean, I don't believe in opening it

00:20:54.160 wide open, but it's hard. I mean, the war on drugs, how long has that been going on since the

00:20:59.060 Reagan administration brought it in in the 80s? It didn't work. Drugs kept coming. You keep

00:21:03.620 spending more resources and the drugs keep coming. You got to work on the demand side. And that's

00:21:07.600 where we get the tougher area, addictions treatment. The one way to undercut a dealer is

00:21:12.680 to take away one of his clients and not on a stretcher for a change, but have him go into

00:21:17.200 rehab and get off of that crap. And that is how you stop that chain. Not easy, not easy. And it's

00:21:24.180 a never ending battle. There's no solution. There's no finish for it. As long as there's humans and as

00:21:29.000 long as there's drugs, you know, unless there's somebody comes up with a magical treatment where

00:21:33.620 you can give an injection and a person is suddenly loses all cravings, loses all addiction, then,

00:21:38.860 you know, then you can move on from there, but we aren't there yet. And in the meantime, we just

00:21:45.680 have to keep working and mitigating on it. And this whole problem, you know, and you see, I get

00:21:50.400 angry and I curse and I talk about the ones we see on the trains and downtown because they do,

00:21:54.560 they make me nervous when I'm walking downtown and things, but they're also people, they really

00:21:57.820 are. I mean, these were somebody's children. This is somebody's parents. This is somebody's uncle's

00:22:02.120 ants. And they fell into this mess. I've got three friends now, I've mentioned this on the show

00:22:09.780 before, who have lost kids to drug, you know, they call it poisoning, whatever you want to call it.

00:22:17.880 But they died, addicted, young. And this isn't people from the ghetto. This isn't ethnic 0.58

00:22:22.940 minorities. This isn't dysfunctional, awful families. It's happening everywhere. And those 1.00

00:22:28.540 who might not end up dying, some of them, well, they end up just so dysfunctional, they end up

00:22:32.780 on the streets, they didn't start there. So we got a whole lot to work on. But let's not dismiss

00:22:37.040 the people who are out there that they're people as well. I mean, I like the term compassionate

00:22:41.900 conservatism, we can still be angry, hard headed, ranting sort of people, but still care for our

00:22:47.340 fellow persons. And we always talk about taking care of people who can't take care of themselves.

00:22:51.860 Somebody who is in the throes of addiction, can't take care of themselves. They can't,

00:22:55.960 It's an awful thing.

00:22:57.320 I've mentioned it on the show before.

00:22:59.220 I'm an alcoholic, a recovering one.

00:23:01.100 It's been years since I've had a drink.

00:23:02.240 I don't imagine I'm going to have one again for a long time.

00:23:04.640 I put a few things up my nose over a period of time in the past as well.

00:23:08.160 I got out of that mess.

00:23:09.280 Thankfully, not everybody does.

00:23:11.340 But I understand.

00:23:12.100 I couldn't have done it without support.

00:23:13.540 I couldn't have done it without help.

00:23:15.040 So if you hit bottom, you need help.

00:23:16.620 And where is it going to come from?

00:23:17.560 So let's not be too heartless or even take the selfish point of view as a conservative.

00:23:22.080 because out-of-control addicts cost us on many, many levels.

00:23:27.960 If you're just looking for your own benefit,

00:23:30.080 if you can save any of these addicts, any of them,

00:23:33.680 if they aren't in jail, if they aren't taking up hospitals,

00:23:36.120 if they aren't collecting welfare,

00:23:37.300 if they're actually out there working, paying taxes like everybody else,

00:23:40.080 hey, that's a win.

00:23:41.040 Like, you're going to win.

00:23:42.260 So I don't like using the,

00:23:43.600 and that's something around the standard we talk about a lot.

00:23:45.380 Whenever you talk about government spending being an investment,

00:23:48.000 you know, and it's a loathsome way to use it.

00:23:50.620 But this is one of the areas I kind of see it.

00:23:52.000 If you could have successful drug treatment,

00:23:53.940 that's an investment in that person

00:23:55.160 that we do all benefit from later on

00:23:56.660 because otherwise they just become an ongoing expense.

00:24:02.280 Gondek said, Calgary needs to be patient.

00:24:03.900 These meth heads, this is from Laura,

00:24:05.500 are unpredictable and dangerous.

00:24:07.100 And that's it.

00:24:07.940 And there's different types of drugs.

00:24:09.580 There's a lot of things.

00:24:10.440 Meth is the one I believe though.

00:24:12.260 I saw it a lot when I worked in the Eastern States.

00:24:14.040 It was there kind of ahead of here,

00:24:15.520 but you really see the gaunt and pockmarked

00:24:17.640 and the teeth are gone.

00:24:19.140 It turns people into zombies.

00:24:20.260 It eats them alive,

00:24:21.740 But it also makes them, they can get very aggressive.

00:24:24.260 Their minds get just messed right up and they're scary.

00:24:27.520 These are the ones you don't want to sit across.

00:24:28.740 If somebody fires up some heroin or something, it just knocks them down.

00:24:31.300 That's the one you'll just see passed out and laying there, which is, again, catastrophic and dangerous.

00:24:35.100 And they often overdose or fentanyl or other opioids, things like that.

00:24:38.520 So there's a number of different substances, unfortunately, that are out there that are hitting people and damaging them.

00:24:45.400 So that's what I meant as well, is it's a very complicated realm.

00:24:50.480 You know, one of the other things is talking about harm mitigation.

00:24:53.840 At least we try to, you know, save people long enough so we can get them into treatment.

00:24:58.200 And that CBC story I was referencing, she talked about how she saw naloxone administered a number of times.

00:25:05.460 In a couple of cases, though, it sounds like the person was smoking meth.

00:25:07.980 And actually, the naloxone, it won't hurt them.

00:25:10.200 It won't do anything for it either.

00:25:11.280 It's an opioid counter thing, not for something such as a methamphetamine.

00:25:17.820 But I mean, just so people know,

00:25:19.280 if you see somebody in distress and down

00:25:20.920 and you don't know what they took

00:25:21.840 and if you do have naloxone, give it to them.

00:25:24.540 You're not going to hurt them.

00:25:25.940 So, you know, take a chance and give it to them.

00:25:28.420 Even if it doesn't help, the worst thing,

00:25:29.980 you know, that's what'll happen is it won't help.

00:25:33.380 This is Johnny, seeing opioids

00:25:34.680 and the rest of the street guards

00:25:35.580 come from the same supplier, different systems.

00:25:38.240 Yeah, I mean, there's only so much

00:25:39.640 where the opioid poppies and all that base thing comes from

00:25:42.980 and it gets scattered through a number of areas,

00:25:45.260 through China and so on. And stopping it when we've got borders as large as ours isn't going to

00:25:49.940 be easy. You know, Richard saying, yeah, when life's getting hard, people look for an escape.

00:25:55.680 Government makes life harder and harder every year. And there's no doubt that the pandemic

00:26:00.340 was a contributing factor. If you look at the addiction stats, the overdose stats, the deaths,

00:26:05.580 the spike and the correlation is undeniable between the timing of when the pandemic came

00:26:11.200 in and when the addictions really went up. I mean, this issue was becoming bad prior to that. It was

00:26:14.620 already happening, but the pandemic has definitely made it worse. It's put stress on people. It's

00:26:19.820 isolated people. There's one of those things with those clowns, those pro-lockdown lunatics that we

00:26:26.520 still have a few left out there, you know, that feel that it just doesn't damage people by locking

00:26:30.080 things down. It doesn't damage people by turning our lives into these introverted worlds where we

00:26:34.140 work from home, do Zoom meetings, and mask ourselves everywhere we go. Human contact for

00:26:39.180 our mental health is one of the most important things we have. That's how you build a real

00:26:43.660 support system. That's where you really have somebody to turn to if you have a problem before

00:26:47.560 you turn to a drug or something like that. So we can't pretend for a second that the response,

00:26:53.220 and I'm not blaming the pandemic, I'm saying the response to the pandemic caused damage. It hurt

00:26:58.400 people, and it contributed to the addiction epidemic, and it is an epidemic. I mean, it's

00:27:03.200 always been there. We know that. Anybody who's been to Vancouver back in the 80s and 90s, East

00:27:08.140 Hastings, it was always a heroin-laden mess over there with a lot of addicted people.

00:27:13.660 In Calgary, for those old enough to remember,

00:27:15.980 Englewood, which is a trendy little area now,

00:27:18.400 used to be a nightmare.

00:27:19.480 If you went there in the early 90s,

00:27:20.700 this was not a part of town you wanted to go to,

00:27:22.340 the National Hotel,

00:27:23.600 and that's where the heroin addicts hung out.

00:27:25.180 They were always there.

00:27:26.360 It was not like this, not like this,

00:27:28.600 not with people everywhere.

00:27:30.080 I mean, you see it in the suburbs,

00:27:31.100 you see it on the trains, you see it downtown.

00:27:33.040 This is well beyond anything we ever had to deal with.

00:27:37.480 And again, here's another example

00:27:39.540 of how it's impacting people too.

00:27:41.140 Kim Waligorsky saying her son,

00:27:43.660 at 21, worked for Paladin Security in Lethbridge and revived a person a day with naloxone. Yeah,

00:27:47.840 that Lethbridge parked down there is scary. And again, you know, the fentanyl and the rest down

00:27:54.720 on the blood reserve has been just brutal and epidemic for some years where Lethbridge is

00:27:59.160 getting it hard. But he said he had to quit. He was so upset over it. And yeah, I wrote a column

00:28:03.580 about an overdose and I'm pretty sure it was failed. If you look it up, I ran across it on

00:28:08.700 the way to work a while back and it was horrible. It shook me up. It was a young man and it was

00:28:13.020 pointless and he died. And it's happening every day. The addictions in Alberta, I think it's up

00:28:19.720 to overdoses or four a day, I think, and BC is getting up to five that are dying. You know,

00:28:25.060 and people talk about the death rate from COVID. Look, COVID is killing the dying.

00:28:30.320 You know, hey, we got to take it seriously. It's a serious ailment and the rest, but come on,

00:28:34.700 let's look at the statistics. We got two years of it. And the people it kills tend to be people

00:28:39.220 who are already had a whole bunch of other conditions, often very late in life. In other

00:28:43.360 words, they were going to pass. Maybe it sped it up. We certainly want to slow that down as much

00:28:47.360 as possible. But this opioid epidemic is killing the young. It's killing our up-and-comers.

00:28:55.580 I mean, again, we want to save everybody, guys, but come on, admit it. I mean, it's

00:28:58.920 probably a little more worthwhile to try and save the 19-year-old who's just starting their life

00:29:04.140 over the 89-year-old who's morbidly obese with diabetes and emphysema

00:29:09.960 who happened to get knocked off by a COVID as a final straw.

00:29:13.680 We've got to prioritize and get a little realistic here.

00:29:17.720 Unfortunately, politics misses into everything.

00:29:20.220 But as I said with the other gentleman who was working security,

00:29:23.080 we're talking literally first responders are dealing with this a lot too, PTSD.

00:29:27.520 They don't want to see people dying in front of them.

00:29:29.440 And I've talked to others.

00:29:30.520 I mean, as we know, I've been on the health and paramedic situation for quite some time.

00:29:35.240 Speaking of stories I've been going on about for months and months and months around here,

00:29:40.080 that's another one of their frustrations with some of the people where they're applying the naloxone

00:29:43.940 to over and over and over the same person, over and over and over again.

00:29:48.240 I mean, it's supposed to be a one-off.

00:29:49.460 It's supposed to be a rare thing, not a constant catch-all in case you screw up.

00:29:54.320 We've got a big problem.

00:29:56.060 We've got a really big one.

00:29:57.640 And it spilled onto our transit.

00:29:58.860 It spilled into our households.

00:30:00.300 You know, I had a doctor, oh, I'm forgetting his name.

00:30:04.700 He was on one of my past shows.

00:30:06.120 He specializes in addictions treatment.

00:30:08.280 And something interesting he told me was, you know, again, 60% actually of the overdoses

00:30:12.140 happen in people's households.

00:30:13.200 It's just the stuff we see on the streets.

00:30:14.720 You know, we see it visibly.

00:30:15.760 We see the people, the zombies, the people in rough condition.

00:30:18.280 But there's a lot of addicts who are still in homes, and that's where they're dying,

00:30:22.640 too, and they're getting into trouble.

00:30:23.620 Like, this is a lot deeper than you even see outside.

00:30:26.260 And a lot of those first responders are hitting those places over and over again, too.

00:30:30.300 I spoke with another person who was speaking on harm mitigation,

00:30:34.440 and I guess they do Zoom-style safe consumption systems

00:30:38.340 where a person, they know they're going to inject or consume whatever the hell they're going to,

00:30:41.520 they do it from home, and they have a health nurse watching them do it

00:30:44.420 so that if they suddenly slump over a flat line, they can call an ambulance.

00:30:48.580 Now we start walking that fine line between are we enabling or are we saving?

00:30:55.260 I mean, we do want to save the lives.

00:30:56.580 We can't treat them if they're dead.

00:30:57.760 but how long do you want to keep dragging it out to just keep supervising their consumption

00:31:01.920 and keep sending ambulances when they slump over? Man, I, you know, we, we just got a lot to work

00:31:07.520 on, but either way, starting to get back to where I began. It looks like my guest is absent for

00:31:12.160 some reason. That's why I'm rambling at length more than, uh, than I typically do. I'm not sure

00:31:17.660 what's happened, but you know, we still got lots to talk about and I got another guest coming in

00:31:20.940 a bit. So we'll cover some more news issues as we work towards that. And let's see here what we got

00:31:29.320 going on. So yes, that Liberal MP that Eva was talking about, Adam van Koverden, some Dutch

00:31:38.880 heritage, I imagine, messaged a woman on Instagram, F you, in response to her inquiry about ending

00:31:44.400 vaccine mandates for travel. She was saying, you know, I was a teacher, got fired for not taking

00:31:50.300 the jab. I'm a supply teacher covering classes every single day because the, uh, all the jab

00:31:54.940 teachers have COVID and can't work, but I can't come home to visit my family. Uh, but yeah, you 0.99

00:32:00.360 know, this is the cult of, of, uh, COVID going on, right? These, these liberal MPs, they, uh, don't,

00:32:08.020 uh, you know, you see, he apologized. Don't they always, it's a little after the fact. I'm not

00:32:11.520 saying you should be resigning. That's fine. Get off your butts and fire them. I, it's one of those

00:32:16.080 things that drives me nuts in politics and everybody at the drop of a hat, resign, resign,

00:32:18.680 and resign. I mean, unless they've committed a crime or done something really about, and that

00:32:21.500 does happen. We've got an NDP member. I'm still waiting on the charges with that fella going on

00:32:25.220 out here who's hacking in Alberta. But I mean, if it was just something like that, document it,

00:32:30.960 remember it. If the, if the arrogant jerk is that bad, fire him in the next election. But

00:32:34.900 unfortunately, we don't keep rewarding him, keep putting him back in. So yeah, this person now

00:32:44.460 resides in New Zealand and that was part of the problem. She hasn't been able to visit her family

00:32:47.920 since the pandemic began in 2020.

00:32:49.860 You know, I don't want to go

00:32:50.520 a little discussion of the value

00:32:51.540 of the vaccines themselves,

00:32:53.280 but the reality of the mandates

00:32:55.640 are pointless.

00:32:56.500 They're spiteful.

00:32:57.260 They're punishing.

00:32:58.040 They're harming people.

00:32:59.040 And then to get a response

00:33:00.080 from somebody who's been harmed,

00:33:01.180 somebody who's had a problem with this,

00:33:03.500 who's having direct issues because of it.

00:33:05.920 You could even say,

00:33:07.040 I sympathize, but I disagree.

00:33:09.040 You know, I think you're wrong.

00:33:11.160 I'm sorry about that.

00:33:13.280 Hopefully you choose to get vaccinated

00:33:14.700 or blah, blah, blah, 0.78

00:33:15.600 which I wouldn't agree with,

00:33:16.320 but all the same,

00:33:16.920 you could respond that way.

00:33:17.660 But just to tell her to F off shows that arrogance, that entitlement, that level that these liberals are in where they feel, you know, they just have the right to tell you to piss off.

00:33:30.480 And, you know, if we don't fire them at the polls, maybe they're right.

00:33:33.900 You're the right.

00:33:34.920 Of course, then we start getting into the regional area.

00:33:37.260 And, yeah, we got some bigger problems.

00:33:38.740 Maybe we're willing to fire them out here, but others in other regions don't want to get rid of them.

00:33:45.460 And that's where we got to start getting some more regional autonomy.

00:33:47.660 if not outright independence, but that's a separate rant altogether now, isn't it?

00:33:53.440 Coddling users with safe injection, etc. helps waste addicts, or helps addicts waste their

00:33:57.800 lives, commenter Jet Gordon. And again, you see those are mixed. We can't treat them if they're

00:34:05.520 dead. And a lot of them are dying of the overdoses. But as I said as well, if we just keep doing it

00:34:11.640 over and over, then we are just enabling it. We're just dragging out a slow death, which is an awful

00:34:15.420 thing. So where do we go with it? Talking to that doctor, it was Monty Gauche was his name.

00:34:20.400 And he also pointed out, he was honest with me, because this hang up that some progressives and

00:34:25.800 others have with safe consumption sites, and they're hung up on it. They really put too much

00:34:29.740 stock in it. I don't want to see them gone, but we can never have nearly enough to actually address

00:34:35.440 what they think they're addressing. And as he said, if it's outside of 500 meters, they don't

00:34:40.040 go to him. Because I asked him during the interview, I said, I walk to work, I start my walk

00:34:43.420 only a few minutes away from the Sheldon Tumor consumption site, and I'm running across passed

00:34:48.340 out, you know, attics, I'm running across discarded syringes, I'm seeing old pipes.

00:34:53.580 If they're not close, and it's not convenient, they aren't going to use them. And we can't have

00:34:56.820 one every five blocks, guys, that's not reasonable. What I do think is if we could have them in

00:35:01.880 appropriate places, decent places, though, maybe some, some are going to be at that point where,

00:35:08.860 you know, the ones are a little more responsible, they're trying to stay alive,

00:35:11.400 they're going to those sites.

00:35:13.040 But what we gotta do is really offer them

00:35:15.100 ways to get out of those sites.

00:35:16.740 How are you gonna get off this crap?

00:35:18.080 How are you gonna get treated?

00:35:19.300 We're not just keeping you alive today.

00:35:21.020 We wanna keep you alive in the long run.

00:35:22.600 So here's your treatment options.

00:35:24.560 Here's how we can get you off this crap.

00:35:26.600 But they seem to be fixated on just if we can facilitate,

00:35:28.840 facilitate, give clean supply.

00:35:30.640 Well, no guys, there's no clean long-term supply of meth.

00:35:34.700 Sorry, there's no such thing.

00:35:36.940 That garbage will eat them alive over time, no matter what.

00:35:41.400 And yes, there's a problem. Coke, I read about some Coke having laced with fentanyl before,

00:35:48.700 which I really screwed with some people. It killed them, you know, because it's a whole

00:35:51.100 different drug. I can't imagine that scary stuff. You know, back when I indulged in that crap,

00:35:56.900 usually the worst thing they would put into it was baby laxative, which led to an outcome that

00:36:00.380 was unpleasant, but wasn't killing people. So, I mean, having a clean supply certainly can stop

00:36:06.700 some of the immediate damage that people get, but it's not the long-term thing. And there's no

00:36:11.500 safe long-term way. I mean, even if you had pure Coke, which is impossible to find,

00:36:15.580 how long could you stay on it before it kills you? Because it will eventually. Same with any

00:36:20.420 of those opioids, fentanyl, heroin, you're just dragging it out. It's not natural for you. It's

00:36:25.880 not good for you. Likewise with the alcoholics, I was an alcoholic. I could get good, clean, 0.85

00:36:30.840 pure alcohol, you know, or at least up to that 40, 45% level and consume it in my bottles doesn't

00:36:37.740 mean it's not going to eat my liver and shrivel it up like a prune eventually, or lead me to

00:36:41.880 eventually lose judgment so much that I'll drive out somewhere and kill myself or somebody else.

00:36:45.980 So just supplying me with quote unquote, safe liquor isn't helping my problem. I had to stop

00:36:52.980 drinking. And I'm not one of those, by the way, all of you people who can safely enjoy consuming

00:36:58.260 liquor. Great on you. I'm not one of those ones of feeling that everybody else has to dry up. I'm

00:37:04.060 not a prohibitionist or anything of this sort. It's just some people can't consume alcohol

00:37:12.060 responsibly. I'm one of them. I finally figured it out before I hit the bottom. But that's part

00:37:15.940 of why I have that sympathy. I realized I might not have been one of those people. I might have

00:37:18.780 ended up getting further in trouble and ending up in bottom myself. And we have to remember that.

00:37:24.000 so uh what's this uh micah adam marsden saying 90 percent of coke in canada these days actually

00:37:30.440 meth according to one nurse's study snorting meth laced with fentanyl damn yeah yeah i can't imagine

00:37:36.180 i mean it's just so much of that crap and i could see it you know method it gives a speedy kick i've

00:37:42.140 never tried that stuff and i never will but i can see how that would be something you could cut into

00:37:46.100 some crappy coke to try and speed up your customers i guess just makes it all the more dangerous you

00:37:50.900 hear about some of those, like the other thing that kills so many, I mean, you hear about with

00:37:54.960 celebrities, at least that's the only time you hear the autopsies. But they, you know, they check

00:37:59.620 their blood afterwards when they've died, and they realize that they got like five or six different

00:38:02.920 drugs in them. It's not just one quite often, it's a cocktail of things. But again, when you're

00:38:08.460 hitting bottom, when you're getting in trouble, I mean, there's a great example as you know, rock

00:38:12.120 stars, others, they've got lots of people around them, they've got lots of quality supply. And it

00:38:19.260 still kills them because it's still not a good thing. There's not a safe level of that shit to

00:38:24.020 take. All right, let's see. I've been on that for a bit now. Let's have a look here. $237 million

00:38:32.220 contract. Let's talk about our government and their fine management of our money. Always one

00:38:37.240 of my favorite subjects. So $237 million contract was surplus. There's millions of dollars worth of

00:38:42.420 COVID ventilators purchased through a, go figure, a former liberal MPs company. And they were

00:38:48.760 immediately warehoused as medical surplus. So $23,700 each. Coincidentally, a former liberal

00:38:57.040 MP got the contract, $237 million. And they just popped him into a warehouse to sit and gather dust.

00:39:04.040 Nice racket when you can do it. This is one of the areas where I'm talking about, yeah, these guys

00:39:08.240 should be, we should be looking at investigations and some jail time. That's criminal. It's just

00:39:13.340 criminal. Come on. Don't tell me it's a coincidence that it's a liberal that got that

00:39:18.560 contract. Or maybe twisted some arms to show that we're actually selling you crap. And

00:39:24.740 yeah, 90% of these ventilators were never used in a clinic or a hospital. And it was

00:39:30.520 a sole source. There's those two words you got to remember in these contracts all the

00:39:33.840 time. Sole sourced means they never even put it out to bid. Apparently they knew the

00:39:39.800 best person in the world to provide it. And that best person happened to be a former liberal member

00:39:45.260 of parliament. Wow. What a coincidence. Great coincidence. $237 million contract. She went

00:39:51.040 through FTI professional grade of Gulf, Gulf, Gulf Ontario. Well, the public health agency of Canada.

00:39:59.080 Yeah. I received the 10,000 ventilators and then just put it into their strategic stockpile,

00:40:04.400 which currently has 9,000. Remember, you know, it's funny how news comes up and down. That was

00:40:08.700 the big thing. That's where they're talking about the lockdowns. We're all going to die. We're all

00:40:11.800 going to die. We're all going to die. Lock everything up, crush businesses, separate families,

00:40:15.820 guilt people, scare people. And why? Because, well, we don't have enough ventilators. We don't

00:40:21.320 have enough hospital space. We don't have enough ICU space. So yeah, in Alberta, we spent, what,

00:40:24.940 billions, but these field hospitals that were supposed to make ICU areas and all these ventilators

00:40:31.280 because that's what was going to happen. Everybody was going to get COVID at the same time. We're all

00:40:34.460 going to need ventilators, we're all going to die. Well, 90% of them were never used. And it wasn't

00:40:41.360 because of their masterful treatment of us. It wasn't because the lockdowns worked. It's because

00:40:46.700 we didn't bloody need them. But there's a very happy liberal member of parliament who owned the

00:40:51.380 company that managed to sell 10,000 of these things for a quarter billion dollars and only

00:40:59.180 have to actually use 10% of them. Nice work if you can get it, eh? Man, it's just, let's see,

00:41:08.000 of the 944 Bayless ventilators used to treat COVID patients, 350 were offered free of charge to

00:41:13.740 India. Well, if India needed them, why are we sitting on 10,000 of them anyway? I don't get

00:41:20.960 these guys. But then those were suspended. Oh, okay, because the New Delhi authorities complained

00:41:26.120 the ventilators needed a different electrical cord and it didn't work in India anyways. Oh man,

00:41:30.740 these guys, it's just levels and levels of competence going on here. But you know, you

00:41:35.160 want to, I'm sure they put out a sole source thing for a power cord converter that the government

00:41:39.020 could buy for another $10 million. And we could perhaps send those out to India to help them use

00:41:44.160 all those ventilators we bought that we didn't use that they probably didn't need either.

00:41:47.960 It's insane. I don't know how long it's going to take us to get out of the hole. These nutcases

00:41:53.340 have dug over this whole pandemic thing, these excuses, but I mean, the corruption is starting

00:41:59.400 to sink through. We're starting, there's so many investigations we've got to follow up on since the

00:42:03.320 whole COVID thing hit. And a lot of it, you know, it was just whether they even had any justification

00:42:09.200 to invoke the Emergencies Act. And it's looking like they had absolutely none. They're embarrassing

00:42:13.280 themselves in committee. The minister in charge of lies, the public safety minister, Manicino,

00:42:18.860 You know, every time he's asked about something, he lies, and he gets called on it, and he just keeps lying.

00:42:23.980 11 times he lied, saying police asked him to invoke the emergency act, and now it's proven no, they didn't.

00:42:31.440 So, I mean, we've got this whole bit of corruption from these entitled liberals who feel like they can lie to us with billions of our dollars and control our lives.

00:42:37.840 And now we've got this sole source scandalous crap going on right now with these guys giving contracts worth hundreds of million dollars to their former buddies.

00:42:48.860 former liberal member of parliament, we need follow-up, criminal follow-up on this. And if

00:42:53.880 it wasn't criminal, fine. I mean, I'm not going to say at this point, we don't need to get sued

00:42:57.820 around here. Let there be an investigation. Maybe you could really make a good case as to why

00:43:02.640 out of all of the suppliers in the entire world, that was the only one that could provide those

00:43:07.920 ventilators. In fact, you were so confident of it that you didn't even put it out to bid because

00:43:11.920 coincidentally, your liberal member of parliament buddy happened to be the best possible option for

00:43:17.140 it. Maybe that was the world's biggest coincidence. And if you guys could prove it, I'd like to see

00:43:22.080 it. Until then, I'm going to be pretty confident you just screwed us. And it's usually a safe bet

00:43:26.880 when it comes to our government. So let's go on one more story before I talk about an advertiser

00:43:31.000 and get on to our next guest who did show up, unlike that first guest. I'm going to be yelling

00:43:34.680 at Bill about that a little later. Live show challenges. So 110 frauds inside one federal

00:43:41.060 agency. So this is the Canada Revenue Agency. Yes, 110. These are the ones that come after you

00:43:47.100 like angry jackals if you were a thousand dollars short on your tax return or something like that,

00:43:52.020 you know, all over you up one side, down the other. But it sounds like 110 of their employees

00:43:57.320 were actually committing fraud anyways, or at least were investigated for such in the last few

00:44:01.100 years. 20 were fired. Hey, wait a minute. Isn't fraud a crime? How'd you just get fired? I mean,

00:44:11.220 if I stole a bunch of things in most private areas, I go, yeah, I'm going to get fired. But

00:44:14.620 chances are they're gonna come after me for it too.

00:44:16.720 I bet you not one was charged.

00:44:18.760 It says it was the highest number of known frauds

00:44:20.600 in any federal public department or agency.

00:44:23.980 The highest known.

00:44:25.580 And these are the CRA.

00:44:26.660 These are the ones who run our revenue agency.

00:44:30.660 And yes, rife with fraud.

00:44:32.440 Data provided from discipline records.

00:44:35.540 Shows, yeah, 100 and some.

00:44:36.940 Everything from misuse of government charge cards

00:44:40.080 to fake sick leave.

00:44:41.420 I mean, it may sound minor,

00:44:43.040 but you know, it's a matter of principle.

00:44:44.380 These are the guys, like I said, that are telling us what we can do with our lives.

00:44:47.700 They're coming after us for our money.

00:44:49.360 They'll charge us.

00:44:50.260 They'll seize your bank accounts.

00:44:52.820 But they're committing crime within their own department.

00:44:55.020 This is more evidence of a government that is sick to its core.

00:44:59.300 Everything from the member of parliament, a former member of parliament,

00:45:03.920 who, again, was that business genius who managed to get that quarter billion dollar contract,

00:45:08.420 to these members of bureaucrats within the Canadian Revenue Agency

00:45:12.640 who feel they can screw with everything from theft

00:45:15.400 and embezzlement, it says, falsified expense claims,

00:45:18.800 personal use of agency charge cards.

00:45:21.820 Let's see, a number of other things,

00:45:24.120 you know, falsely registering attendance

00:45:25.380 or actions that result in receiving a remuneration

00:45:29.000 for time not work.

00:45:29.720 So in other words, they're putting time cards in

00:45:30.920 because we probably gave them the honor system

00:45:34.120 during the pandemic.

00:45:35.560 Oh, just send us a time card

00:45:36.540 because we know you're working from home, right?

00:45:38.340 Yeah, they're doing such a good job.

00:45:40.340 Try and get a passport these days.

00:45:41.600 They send all of them home too.

00:45:42.640 How's that all working out? 1.00

00:45:44.220 Well, here's some other beauties, apparently.

00:45:46.920 Forgery, falsification, alteration,

00:45:48.680 or suppression of agency documents

00:45:50.600 for personal gain to the benefit of others.

00:45:53.120 Again, that sounds like one of those things

00:45:54.260 I would imagine we should see

00:45:55.680 some criminal charges on, shouldn't we?

00:45:57.260 Or something else.

00:45:58.600 Let's see, the Canada Border Services Agency,

00:46:00.580 they had 109 employees investigated for fraud.

00:46:04.680 Six were fired.

00:46:05.780 But in none of these,

00:46:06.380 I'm not seeing any charges anywhere.

00:46:08.400 Strange.

00:46:09.980 Now, if I do anything fraudulent at the border,

00:46:12.240 I know those agents are certainly going to have my ass charged pretty fast.

00:46:15.780 You know, it's not an area you want to get in trouble in typically.

00:46:19.920 But again, this government is broken.

00:46:22.780 It's sick.

00:46:24.200 It's problematic.

00:46:26.300 All right.

00:46:26.840 Let me talk about one of my sponsors.

00:46:28.140 And actually, it ties in quite well to my next guest who I'm going to have on right away.

00:46:31.480 And that is the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.

00:46:34.020 These guys have been sponsoring us for quite some time.

00:46:36.640 And they've been a good resource for me as a firearm owner.

00:46:41.140 and they're a resource for thousands and thousands of others. Their name says what they are. They're

00:46:45.040 an association of people who enjoy shooting sports. That's whether you collect firearms,

00:46:49.920 target shooting, skeet shooting, hunting, any of those things. I mean, all these things

00:46:54.220 we want to do, our rights, our abilities, things we enjoy. Well, this is a network. This is where

00:46:59.160 you can, you know, meet up with other firearm owners like any other association or look at

00:47:03.400 the videos, all sorts of resources on ways you can safely utilize firearms and enjoy them. I mean,

00:47:09.200 ladies day at the range, all that sort of stuff. Plus, most important of all, I think, of course,

00:47:14.380 is they bring the news to the front and advocate for you as a firearm owner. I mean, they're

00:47:20.680 standing up for your rights. They have multiple, or they've put out multiple legal challenges

00:47:25.100 against different types of legislation coming from the federal government. It never just seems to

00:47:29.100 stop. They're pushing back. It's a tough battle, guys. And if we don't work together, we're going

00:47:34.560 to lose it. Guaranteed we can lose it. Maybe we'll still lose it even if we do get together. It's a

00:47:38.440 tough one. I don't know. We're guaranteed to lose it if we don't try. These guys take out a

00:47:42.600 membership with them. It helps them help you and stand up for your right and ability to protect

00:47:47.600 your property. And I mean that property, even being of a firearm, because it is your property

00:47:51.580 as well. And you're right to do with it whatever you please, as long as you never hurt anybody else,

00:47:56.320 which is what we all do. Well, all the sane ones among us anyways. CSSA-CILA.org. Okay.

00:48:03.940 I'm going to bring in Adam Patterson of Korth Group, and we're going to talk some firearm

00:48:09.320 stuff. So hey there, Adam, how are you doing? Well, thanks. Thanks for having me on here,

00:48:12.900 Corey. Really appreciate it. I appreciate it as well. I guess just to start with,

00:48:17.820 kind of explain Korth Group and where you guys land in the firearm industry. You're not a

00:48:23.120 storefront retailer or things such as that. You're more of a distributor, right? Correct. Yeah,

00:48:27.940 We're an importer and distributor for a variety of firearms, ammunition, optics, and accessories.

00:48:34.460 We've been in business since 1977, and we satisfy a market of independent dealers, box stores, chain stores, military, and law enforcement.

00:48:42.840 We have a group of sales guys that span the country, and they are product experts in their field,

00:48:48.700 and they work their areas and work to grow our business in those areas.

00:48:53.940 Excellent.

00:48:54.560 And you're an Alberta-based company, though, right?

00:48:56.420 You have a presence across the country, as you said, but you're from out this way.

00:49:00.080 I just like to.

00:49:01.020 Yeah, we're actually down and out the coast.

00:49:03.280 So quite local.

00:49:04.440 Most of the people here in the office are born and raised Albertans.

00:49:06.960 I'm not, but they gave me a pass and it's worked out well coming out west. 1.00

00:49:11.520 Well, we accept you Eastern immigrants, you know, when you behave well enough. 1.00

00:49:15.200 Thank you. 1.00

00:49:16.100 I appreciate it.

00:49:17.220 So, I mean, part of what I want to get into, and I've talked with people from the firearms, you know, I guess you could say lobby almost or activist groups, people like CSC.

00:49:24.620 But something that doesn't get talked about enough, I think, especially when we get grabs

00:49:28.020 or issues like this, is that it is an industry.

00:49:32.000 There's a lot of people employed in this.

00:49:33.420 There's a lot of facets to the whole world of firearms.

00:49:36.260 You know, people, if there was any other industry that you targeted and could potentially put

00:49:40.140 so many people out of work and put so many businesses out of business, we'd have a hell

00:49:44.100 of a pushback.

00:49:44.920 But with firearms, they seem to get a pass.

00:49:47.980 Isn't that the case?

00:49:48.900 And, you know, the challenging thing we have here as firearms owners is that we don't really

00:49:53.580 have a hard written gun rights law like our neighbors so so one angle that the industry

00:50:00.300 has taken is an industry organization which is essentially the business version of the CSSA

00:50:06.940 the business version is called the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association

00:50:10.780 and their their mandate really is to lobby government to protect the industry

00:50:15.740 you know we may not have a right to own firearms per se but we should have a right to earn a living

00:50:20.620 and be able to do that employment in a field that we find interesting

00:50:24.580 and that is perfectly legal and should be not a problem.

00:50:28.440 Well, absolutely.

00:50:29.240 And I mean, there are, I imagine, I mean, I don't have the stats over.

00:50:33.020 There's going to be thousands and thousands of people employed

00:50:34.920 in firearm-related fields everywhere from a retail storefront all the way to,

00:50:40.460 well, often it's volunteer or member-led, but ranges out there

00:50:44.520 and hunting associations.

00:50:46.900 All of these things can fall by the wayside.

00:50:48.340 all these industries can die if we continue to let this government just keep basically disarming the

00:50:53.700 entire country absolutely and i can actually provide a few bits of info here for you for

00:50:59.140 numbers so back in 2019 the csaa which is the industry organization and the ontario federation

00:51:05.300 of anglers and hunters commissioned the conference board of canada to conduct an economic impact study

00:51:10.180 of the industry in an attempt to use that info to help sway government to say you know there's

00:51:14.740 there's so many people that make their living doing what they love you know let's give them a

00:51:18.900 break um so just some quick numbers for for your your viewers so just over 25 000 people responded

00:51:25.620 to the survey and then the conference board used that data to extrapolate out what the total impact

00:51:30.580 would be for fishing hunting sport shooting and trapping we'll focus mostly on the hunting and

00:51:36.260 sport shooting today so 1.3 million canadians in 2018 hunted and they spent an estimated total of

00:51:43.700 5.9 billion hunting in Canada in the same year 1.4 million people were sports shooting and they

00:51:50.660 spent 2.6 billion so the total impact to our economy that in 2018 and that's just the most

00:51:55.780 recent data we have was 8.5 billion dollars spent and over 25 000 jobs supported and as you said

00:52:01.540 Cory that's people that work retail distribution reps outfitters guides people that are tied to

00:52:07.380 the ranges anybody that may have a hotel or a restaurant that caters to these events

00:52:12.520 So it's a fairly sizable amount of people across the country that make their living doing something they love.

00:52:18.640 I was about to say that there's a lot of indirect employment and benefit and things to communities.

00:52:23.560 I worked in the oil field for 20 years and we get a lot of the people trying to.

00:52:29.080 It's an industry that gets quite abused as well, quite often by some ideological governments.

00:52:34.440 And they like to understate how much impact we had in areas when we have crews moving up.

00:52:37.840 But it's not just directly employed people in the oil field.

00:52:40.420 when I'm out there in the field, I'm buying fuel, I'm eating food, I'm staying in restaurants,

00:52:45.440 I'm shopping in the local town that I'm staying in. Likewise, hunters, I mean, they're a very

00:52:50.620 transient group. You can say to me it's the wrong term, but they're on the move. They go into areas

00:52:55.360 for a period of time. It employs people. There's a lot of, particularly in isolated communities. I

00:53:00.100 mean, guiding is very important to a lot of indigenous communities for people going out

00:53:04.120 hunting. And again, that's under threat if a person can't have a firearm. Absolutely. And so

00:53:08.920 much of our industry is more rural and suburban based. And, you know, the money that's generated

00:53:14.680 at these independent businesses and over 90% of our retailers are family run mom and pop

00:53:19.740 independent businesses. They're in small geographic areas that may not have the same

00:53:24.680 opportunities some of the bigger centers have. And all the money that's generated in the store

00:53:28.420 and wages to the staff is spent back in that local economy. And as you say, with hunting,

00:53:33.840 generally we're not in urban centers when we're harvesting animals. So you're going into the more

00:53:38.160 remote, more backwoods areas in some cases, and some of the small motels and hotels, B&Bs and

00:53:44.760 whatever rely on that travel throughout the hunting seasons to keep the business afloat.

00:53:50.400 So right now, now due to the proposed anyways, firearms freeze, particularly with the handguns,

00:53:58.740 we already, I imagine you guys have suffered from supply chain issues over the last couple

00:54:01.940 years, like everybody else. So particularly with that, I'm guessing shipping must have been a bitch.

00:54:05.600 there's been quite a run though I mean now finding a handgun for sale is darn near impossible it

00:54:12.360 seems they've kind of on the short term had the opposite effect of what they wanted to do

00:54:15.240 it sure appears that way an initial expectation from the government from what we've been told

00:54:20.760 is that they assume most Canadians would sort of tuck tail and cower and wait for Bill C-21 to be

00:54:27.100 passed and the initial pitch was that the first reading happened a couple of weeks ago they had

00:54:31.100 second reading i think last week and the initial concept is that third reading in royal ascent for

00:54:37.180 bill c21 would be achieved in the early fall but canadians have reacted in my opinion the correct

00:54:43.340 way and purchased every handgun they could find uh it's been phenomenal there's never been a run

00:54:48.300 on handguns like this ever in our history from everybody that i've talked to and so because of

00:54:53.740 that it appears now as though the the feds are trying to push the third reading in royal ascent

00:54:58.620 before they break for the summer, which I think is late next week, they wrap up for the year.

00:55:04.480 Yeah, my beloved public safety minister said we've got to rush on this, and I would hope that

00:55:10.000 they can stall this. This is a big piece of legislation. This has a lot of potential

00:55:13.660 consequences if they ram that through that fast. Well, I can see the lawsuit's already starting.

00:55:18.380 I mean, people have invested and done things because of the basis of this legislation being

00:55:22.300 on the way, and for them to rush it and stop everything in transit, I don't think it's going

00:55:26.200 and well well and it'll have zero impact on on anything other than disrupting independent

00:55:31.960 business and people spending their after-tax dollars directly the way they choose and that's

00:55:37.640 what everybody in the industry has the biggest issue with that with this handgun freeze they're

00:55:43.080 calling it a freeze right now but we'll see what happens you know most of our dealers 30 to 90

00:55:49.080 percent of their business is geared towards handgun sales and so it isn't just the firearm it it's the

00:55:54.840 accessories and its upgrades and repairs, when consumers are walking through a retail store,

00:55:59.220 they are going to end up, you know, impulse buying other things that may not be related

00:56:03.860 to a handgun. And if they're not able to buy any new firearms, we're going to lose that foot

00:56:08.560 traffic coming into our retailers. Yeah, that's another good point. I mean,

00:56:11.760 it's just like when you go into a grocery store, they stick the dairy and the meat in the far back

00:56:15.500 for a good reason, because they know you're coming in for that. And chances are, you're

00:56:18.160 going to grab a little more on the way. You never see the hunting section in a Canadian tire up by

00:56:22.140 the front doors. They make sure I walk by all that impulse buy crap that usually I do end up

00:56:26.480 leaving. You know, I went in to get a box of 22 shells and somehow I spent $200 on other stuff

00:56:30.820 while I'm at it. But it's a real important facet. I mean, you know, I mean, you kind of chuckle

00:56:35.820 about that, but this is integrated with a lot of businesses. How do they fill that space? How do

00:56:40.260 they keep people employed? What do they do if these areas are suddenly gone? Oh, exactly. And

00:56:45.100 how do you make up that revenue? And how do you keep your staff employed when you're going to lose

00:56:49.680 what could be your entire business.

00:56:51.700 We have dealers that their entire business model

00:56:54.620 is catering to the sports shooting

00:56:56.380 competitive handgun community.

00:56:59.640 And it's going to be really challenging

00:57:01.080 for them to pivot and try and reestablish themselves

00:57:03.580 as a hunting store or something else entirely

00:57:06.020 when they've built a brand around handguns.

00:57:09.560 Yeah, so getting a little farther,

00:57:12.500 I mean, regulating stuff to death,

00:57:13.760 it's another area that it's not,

00:57:15.160 this is a sense of how they're going to be doing it anyways.

00:57:18.440 But I remember way back in the 90s, you look like you might be a little young to remember most of that, but with the big battles of the registry back then, something that had happened due to that was, and that registry failed, but every firearm dealer was suddenly going to have to spend, I believe it was like $35 per firearm to register their stock in the stores.

00:57:36.380 Some of them had hundreds and hundreds of firearms.

00:57:38.320 I mean, this was a sudden expense of far more than they were willing or able often to take on.

00:57:44.560 So what they did, I remember walking into one and that shooting range is gone now,

00:57:49.220 but they actually had a bucket full of 303s that were all laying there.

00:57:51.960 They'd had them for years.

00:57:53.020 They said, 50 bucks each, grab them while you can before the registry gets here.

00:57:56.420 And off they went.

00:57:57.840 I mean, again, it was another run on gun sales.

00:57:59.760 It was a liquidation sale in that case.

00:58:01.680 They were just trying to get rid of them because nobody could afford to hang on to them.

00:58:05.100 But did that make anybody safer?

00:58:06.820 Did it make anything better?

00:58:08.100 Did it improve anything?

00:58:09.620 In fact, the registry got thrown away eventually.

00:58:11.640 Well, anybody that bought those Enfields sure made out like a bandit with what they've become

00:58:16.020 value-wise now. They're one of the most coveted millsurf guns out there. So hopefully people

00:58:21.720 made well on that deal. But you're absolutely right. There's no positive outcome from any of

00:58:27.420 this. The hard reality is that people are going to lose jobs and it will have zero impact on

00:58:32.960 anything other than those job losses. So just a side note, since we do have a live show,

00:58:38.680 a commenter is asking, Brad Haugen, he keeps asking, he's looking for 303 shells. Maybe you

00:58:42.680 might know about it. They're apparently really hard to find. Is that a supply chain issue going

00:58:46.120 on or do you have any idea? Absolutely. Yeah, there's

00:58:49.160 real delays in everything right now as we're experiencing everywhere as consumers. Part of

00:58:55.000 the challenges that the ammunition manufacturers face, there are only so many companies that provide

00:58:59.960 the raw materials, your brass, copper, lead, powder, primers. There's only so much of that

00:59:05.160 product to be had and and we've seen unprecedented volumes in the last two years partly because of

00:59:11.480 covid partly because of various things going on in the us canada is subjected to supply chain

00:59:18.360 challenges as is the rest of the world and i know the the manufacturers are doing their best to try

00:59:22.760 and get the product up here but it we see the the panic buying tends to breed more panic buying that

00:59:29.240 the guy that might buy one box of 303 and use that for a couple of years couldn't find any last year

00:59:34.600 And now when he does find it, he's going to buy everything he can get his hands on.

00:59:37.840 So it does sort of perpetuate the issue of not enough ammunition being had across the country.

00:59:42.600 It's just getting disrupted all over the place.

00:59:45.260 And again, with panic buying and hoarding, and it doesn't help anybody.

00:59:48.300 Again, it doesn't make anybody any safer or anything either.

00:59:50.660 That's the frustrating part is they always make the case that this is somehow going to make the society safer.

00:59:55.700 So, I mean, you're part of that commercial association.

00:59:58.360 You guys are of the legal arm of firearm sales.

01:00:02.480 Handguns, I mean, heavily regulated, very controlled, very well-documented, tracked.

01:00:07.060 You don't deal with your firearms being used in crime, so you don't see that down the road.

01:00:13.760 No, I mean, very, very few legal firearms are used to commit crime.

01:00:19.100 The vast majority of the crime guns that are found in Canada are smuggled into the country.

01:00:24.880 And that's a really hard hurdle to overcome, ultimately.

01:00:29.600 but regardless of what we do as a legal group there's always going to be that criminal element

01:00:34.400 and always going to be access to illicit firearms and i think the the challenge for the government

01:00:40.560 is how do you deal with that problem ultimately lots of people joke that drugs won the war on

01:00:46.880 drugs because they can't stop them from coming in the country how are they going to stop the

01:00:51.840 illegal firearms um you know we legal gun owners are an easy target you know politicians can stand

01:00:57.440 up and rant and rave about how unsafe guns are and how dangerous guns are and so on and so forth.

01:01:04.400 And they have an active list of where each of us live that own handguns in this country and

01:01:08.560 what we own and when we bought it and how it's supposed to be stored. So it's really easy to

01:01:13.600 come after the law-abiding gun owner simply because they know where we are and it can appear

01:01:17.920 as though they're doing something to combat gun crime. Well, that's it. It's the low-hanging

01:01:22.160 fruit. I mean, anybody who has purchased a handgun, I mean, this legislation has been in for decades

01:01:28.500 and decades and decades. You're registered. You have to have a range membership. You can't

01:01:33.100 transport it. You have to take a course, a restricted firearms course, all of these things.

01:01:38.680 The people who would go through all of those steps in order to get a handgun, it says two

01:01:42.820 things. For one, they very much enjoy and are dedicated to their handguns for target shooting

01:01:46.600 or whatever else they may like with it. And also they're rule following law abiding people. They're

01:01:51.840 following the process they're doing everything right and then they're getting targeted by the

01:01:56.440 government for having done it yeah yeah they sure are and you know some of these people are are

01:02:02.480 competing at the club level with national competitions international competitions we have

01:02:08.460 a couple of pro staff brand ambassador type shooters that that work with us that are both

01:02:13.400 on the canadian ipsic team and ipsic is a an action shooting sport where you're you're trying to be as

01:02:18.840 accurate and fast as possible to shoot a pre-setup stage. It's a pile of fun. If you've never tried

01:02:24.200 it, I highly recommend trying it. But these two guys are on the Canadian team and are going to

01:02:28.700 Thailand next year to compete for Canada at the world level in IPSC. So this isn't always just a

01:02:35.460 casual plinking on a Sunday afternoon type thing. You know, these guys are shooting 80,000 rounds a

01:02:39.920 year and replacing product and buying backup guns and spending massive amounts of money on their

01:02:45.640 sport and their hobby, because they're so passionate about it.

01:02:48.800 Yeah. So again, as you said,

01:02:50.880 we're just starting right now with a freeze that they're eager to get onto.

01:02:54.020 And I won't necessarily expect you to speculate.

01:02:56.380 I suspect they have no intention of stopping there.

01:02:58.160 That's just step one before they move on to seizure.

01:03:01.920 But is your industry association then getting ready to try and challenge this

01:03:06.260 like from a association point of view or anything like that?

01:03:10.000 There's certainly an interest to try.

01:03:12.200 The biggest challenge that we have as an industry is that our voice really is not heard.

01:03:17.900 We were fortunate with the previous public safety minister, his office was willing to speak with the industry.

01:03:24.000 The current public safety ministers are not quite as free-flowing with conversation with us.

01:03:30.940 And quite often, anytime there's a firearms panel to be created, the industry is left out of it.

01:03:36.400 The focus is primarily on victims groups, which, you know, for a mother that's lost her son in a drive-by shooting, it's horrendous.

01:03:44.500 Everybody's heart goes out to her.

01:03:46.940 Anything that they change, though, would not have changed that outcome.

01:03:51.620 So the biggest challenge for us right now is that we would like to see some change.

01:03:56.620 But with the current structure of the government, with the Liberals NDP partnering, they're both very much anti-gun.

01:04:03.080 the block is anti-gun. So really the only group that's standing behind us are the conservatives.

01:04:07.160 And there just isn't enough of a voice to have an actual say at the moment.

01:04:11.000 Yeah. Well, they play on a lot of emotions. I mean, nobody wants to see, of course,

01:04:14.200 those horrible stories when firearms are misused and people die or hurt. But I mean,

01:04:19.640 it's just a villainized industry and it's just been so wrong. And that's a bit of what your

01:04:23.160 association has to try to counter. I mean, the most comparable industry I can think of is like

01:04:28.060 the tobacco industry that got chased around. But the difference is there's no safe or really

01:04:33.000 realistic case made, it can be made to consume tobacco. There's no real good reason to smoke

01:04:37.820 anything else. There's a safe, you know, harmless use of firearms or even productive use of firearms,

01:04:44.520 whether it's for hunting or target shooting or collecting all of those things, they aren't going

01:04:48.220 to hurt anybody. So, I mean, I don't think it's fair to compare that industry to tobacco, but

01:04:52.500 it's getting the same abuse as tobacco. Yeah, it sure is. And, you know, the biggest problem we

01:04:57.040 face as a as an organization as an industry and as users is that a lot of canadians that are not

01:05:03.120 interested in what we do are indifferent or ignorant and i don't mean to ignorant in a

01:05:07.940 negative way they just don't know so when they hear these politicians spouting off about making

01:05:13.940 canada safer and yada yada yada it makes sense right they don't realize that there is a massive

01:05:20.740 increase of women and girls participating in shooting and hunting and what an inclusive

01:05:26.440 community it is you know when you go to these events there's people from all walks of life and

01:05:30.920 all backgrounds and all classes and different languages and it's so awesome because they've

01:05:36.200 they've come here and they weren't allowed to or maybe minimal access to firearms in their home

01:05:40.600 country and they they've come to canada they can participate it's something they're passionate

01:05:43.880 about and that side of the sport is never shown it's always everything the messaging in the the

01:05:49.800 legacy media focuses so much on crime and a lot of issues that don't even happen in our country you

01:05:55.320 you know, this Bill C-21 miraculously was released 10 days after a bunch of children were killed in

01:06:00.980 Texas. Personally, I think it's in poor taste in the government to have done that. They did the

01:06:06.200 same thing after the mass killing in New Brunswick two years ago, and used that as a great springboard

01:06:12.580 to launch their plan to get rid of guns. And they're really not shining the correct lens on

01:06:18.420 our sport at all. And I'm glad you also brought that up. It was something I hadn't thought of,

01:06:22.680 but you're right. Is this the social cost? I mean, these ranges, these hunting groups,

01:06:27.000 these clubs, these sporting organizations, this is where these are the social center for a lot

01:06:32.240 of people. That's where their circle of friends is. That's where they get together. That's where

01:06:35.080 they have annual banquets, all of these things. Cause I was talking earlier about actually some

01:06:38.640 of the costs of the pandemic lockdowns. And again, I don't want to tie that so much into this, but

01:06:42.080 that's a social cost. When you suddenly isolate people and get them stuck

01:06:45.480 in their households, rather than getting out and socializing, they can have a hard time.

01:06:49.160 And there's a lot of people whose big social focus is around something firearm related.

01:06:54.020 And if they lose those, that can, that harms people as well.

01:06:57.540 Absolutely.

01:06:58.820 Absolutely.

01:06:59.380 And so much of what we do is a family and friend-based activity, like you said, Corey.

01:07:05.260 But there's a generational aspect of this too.

01:07:07.720 You know, we have dealers that are second, third generation ownership and dealers that

01:07:12.040 have been in business for over 50 years.

01:07:13.700 And here, you know, as I mentioned, we started in 1977 and Terry and his dad started the

01:07:18.040 company at that time.

01:07:18.840 And now, you know, the next generation is involved in the business.

01:07:21.420 And it's such a great community that really were not ever displayed, in my opinion, the way we should be to the public.

01:07:28.760 No. And again, if any community, I think at all, is going to be most opposed to the criminal use of firearms,

01:07:34.340 it's all the people who responsibly use them because they're tired of getting labeled and potentially losing their rights.

01:07:41.060 So very bad for business.

01:07:42.620 That's another aspect I won't get you to speculating on.

01:07:44.680 But when you criminalize the whole thing in the works,

01:07:46.820 there's going to be a number of people who just decide,

01:07:48.900 well, I'm no longer going to abide.

01:07:50.240 And then now you've created criminals rather than solved anything.

01:07:52.900 And it's just not an improvement whatsoever.

01:07:56.660 Absolutely.

01:07:57.560 And if I could just throw another comment on that, Corey,

01:07:59.940 that one of the big challenges all of us face,

01:08:02.200 whether we're in industry or as users, is the lack of communication.

01:08:06.600 So a few years ago, the government prohibited Ruger 1022 magazines

01:08:10.900 that had the capacity of more than 10 rounds.

01:08:12.820 and so there were hundreds of thousands of these 25 round banana mags people would call them the

01:08:18.000 butler creek mags primarily that were now prohibited but no communication was ever sent

01:08:23.480 out to the populace to let them know industry do because we can no longer import them but me as a

01:08:28.600 gun owner that owns a 10-22 I never received any communication to say that hey this item is now

01:08:33.500 prohibited and there have been people that have been caught with them whether they knew or not

01:08:37.200 I can't speculate. But the communication is really lacking. And even from the industry side,

01:08:43.720 we're not told when changes are going to take effect. But the May 2020 Order in Council was

01:08:49.860 as of May 1st, and I think they told us on April 30th, AR-15s are now banned. We have inventory.

01:08:56.620 Dealers have inventory. There's product that's now stuck in a type of purgatory that we can't sell.

01:09:01.900 And we can't easily export back to the U.S. despite the government telling us that we can.

01:09:06.240 that's not how it works. So there's a lot of product that's tied up at all levels of distribution

01:09:12.260 and supply chain that cannot be sold because we were not given any notice to maybe cancel orders

01:09:17.360 or try and clear what we had before a van took place. Yeah, I guess. And even on a smaller level,

01:09:22.540 I mean, one of the changes they're looking to bring about with this legislation, I mean,

01:09:25.280 I've got a little Rimfire 22 that has a 10 round magazine in it. And if this legislation goes

01:09:32.040 through, suddenly that magazine is going to be illegal for me to have in my possession.

01:09:35.480 Plus, everybody, I guess, who owns a business that sells those or distributes those magazines

01:09:39.700 is now holding on to a criminal item.

01:09:41.720 They're either going to have to destroy it or, I guess, just take a loss.

01:09:46.680 Yeah, well, it's yet to be seen.

01:09:47.800 And that change is actually going to come upon us by order of counsel.

01:09:52.500 So we will be told someday, whenever that's going to be, this week, next week, September,

01:09:57.000 we don't know, that all of a sudden we can no longer import or sell any firearm with more than a five-round magazine.

01:10:03.560 But the feds didn't separate rimfire or firearms that have an internal magazine,

01:10:11.000 like an old lever gun, for example. So the challenge now for us as importers is that

01:10:16.120 manufacturers are going to need to build Canadian specific product SKUs so that your .22 rifle is

01:10:22.840 now shipped with a five round magazine instead of a 10 round magazine. So there's going to be delays

01:10:27.240 and complications with the ordering process and it's possible it'll drive costs up because now

01:10:32.200 the manufacturers have to build a special makeup SKU for Canada where they could just sell us the

01:10:37.320 regular product before. So the trickle down impact of this is massive, as you say, and all the

01:10:42.760 inventory that's out there. People that have hundreds of magazines or across the country,

01:10:47.320 you know, hundreds of thousands of magazines that are now going to be prohibited and all that value

01:10:51.320 will be gone and you might get charged if you get caught with them. You might even forget the

01:10:55.880 magazines in the back of your cabinet there and it's sitting there. I mean, it's just ridiculous.

01:11:02.040 Well, all we can do is keep pushing and keep hoping.

01:11:04.700 I appreciate you coming on to talk about that.

01:11:06.640 And like I said, I just wanted to,

01:11:08.140 because you don't hear the conversation enough,

01:11:09.620 lend the industry viewpoint onto this.

01:11:12.020 I mean, there's a lot of people very dependent

01:11:13.360 on this industry working directly within it,

01:11:15.800 and they don't get a voice at all

01:11:17.300 when these legislations come along.

01:11:18.840 So I appreciate you coming on.

01:11:20.620 Where can we find more information

01:11:21.560 about what your group does or where you're at?

01:11:24.080 You can check us out at korthgroup.com.

01:11:26.600 We also have pages on Facebook and Instagram.

01:11:29.960 And thank you, Corey, and your team for having us on.

01:11:32.160 Because as you say, we don't get a chance to really speak from the business side.

01:11:35.220 And we really appreciate the opportunity to prop Corth Group up a little bit and to speak about what we do.

01:11:40.420 And I sure hope that we see some positivity out of all this at some point.

01:11:45.660 We like to support good Alberta businesses.

01:11:47.980 We appreciate it.

01:11:49.520 All right.

01:11:49.900 Thanks, Adam.

01:11:50.520 We'll talk again soon.

01:11:51.500 Maybe we'll have some good news to talk about.

01:11:54.260 Yes, that was Adam Patterson of the Corth Group.

01:11:56.980 As I said, it's a company based out of Okotoks and nationally in their distributor, not a retail storefront, but again, very established, respectable firearm company.

01:12:08.200 And that reminder, you know, these legislations, these come down, they're going to put a lot of people out of work.

01:12:13.980 And as Ada brought up things I hadn't even thought of.

01:12:15.980 Yeah, the social aspect.

01:12:17.060 Suddenly, not everybody can change hobbies and social groups on the turn of a dime.

01:12:21.700 Like these things are important to a lot of people.

01:12:24.460 And this government is just witlessly going after the law-abiding firearm owners.

01:12:29.380 I mean, if they could make a case that it's somehow going to make us safer, I could be a little more receptive.

01:12:33.920 You know, if you could show how this is going to save lives, this is going to reduce robberies, this is going to, you know, reduce the gangland activity.

01:12:42.420 But it's not. It's not on any level. And they can't make that case.

01:12:45.880 That's why they want to rush this through.

01:12:48.040 They're not rushing because they're fearful some mass shooting is going to happen because my 22 rimfire didn't get modified to stop it from carrying 10 shots or because somebody's legally purchased handgun suddenly went out on a rampage.

01:13:01.140 They want to rush it through because they don't want to face the questions.

01:13:04.040 They don't want to actually have to justify this.

01:13:06.100 They don't want to have to point out because, you know, police chiefs, you want to hear somebody who's often in opposition to these kinds of moves?

01:13:11.960 It's usually police chiefs because they got to deal on the ground with the real crimes.

01:13:16.340 And they know that this won't help them a bit.

01:13:18.540 This won't reduce it.

01:13:20.480 That's not their area of concern.

01:13:23.880 But the government wants to look like they're doing something.

01:13:28.040 It's similar to what I was talking about on the drug addiction issue too.

01:13:33.280 It's a big, complicated issue.

01:13:35.000 If you want to talk about firearm crimes, there's a whole deep area worth of study to go into.

01:13:40.880 How do we deal with troubled young youth who get into gangs?

01:13:43.560 How do we deal with the smuggling that's coming across the border?

01:13:46.340 How do we deal with the contraband that is feeding these gangs and giving them the money in the first place?

01:13:51.900 What are they fighting over?

01:13:52.860 Well, usually it's a turf war over drugs.

01:13:54.960 A lot of this ties together.

01:13:56.520 But does any of this get any safer by going after target shooters and skeet shooters and duck hunters?

01:14:02.080 No, not a bit.

01:14:03.700 And as we're pointing out, it's multi-billions of dollars of industry in a legal, law-abiding, harmless firearm industry in Canada alone.

01:14:13.660 and these clowns are going to criminalize it and shut it down.

01:14:17.480 That's where they're working towards.

01:14:21.700 It's a real problem.

01:14:23.180 And again, you know, we talked to our gun activists

01:14:25.260 and advocacy groups and things like that.

01:14:27.660 And that's important.

01:14:28.600 But I really wanted to talk and I appreciated that out of Adam though,

01:14:31.740 you know, with showing it's a business side.

01:14:34.160 If it had been any other business, you know, again,

01:14:36.160 some people would be standing up and say,

01:14:37.400 hey, you're going to put a bunch of people out of work.

01:14:38.800 You're going to harm a lot of lives.

01:14:41.260 And you know, another area, that social aspect, since I'm on it, you know, because I'm worried

01:14:45.100 about people's mental health. We talk about that. We talk about the ones who unfortunately

01:14:48.740 do go off if they have a firearm and they've had a mental health issue. I mean, anybody who's going

01:14:53.060 to go out and shoot, you know, randomly and so on obviously has mental health issues. Same people

01:14:57.240 don't do that. And we want to keep people sane. We've got to keep their social structures, got to

01:15:03.160 keep their support around. One of the things I remember when the lockdowns came in, and I used

01:15:08.700 own a bar. And I'd sold that bar right before the lockdown started. And one of my memories of the

01:15:13.840 bar though, there's a lot of memories and most of them were negative. Oh boy, if you want a real

01:15:17.760 workout, you know, the most work for the least amount of money you could ever have, own a bar

01:15:21.100 sometime. You really got to love it. So hats off to those people who do love that business because

01:15:24.660 it's a tough, tough area to make a living. I mean, Jane and I pulled it off, but it wasn't easy.

01:15:29.440 But what I had was a lot of regulars, a lot of people who would come in. Every bar has them.

01:15:33.660 Everybody who goes to bars semi-regularly knows it. You have your regulars who sit up in the front,

01:15:38.700 A lot of them actually often don't even drink a lot.

01:15:41.000 Well, some of them drink a lot, but a lot also it'll be one or two beers

01:15:46.360 because most of it's there to socialize.

01:15:48.240 They're just to go after work and they know each other by first name

01:15:51.140 and they're people from different groups.

01:15:54.120 And a lot of those guys, that's the only social outlet they had.

01:15:57.040 And women, some. 1.00

01:15:58.300 You know, that's their thing. 1.00

01:15:59.260 They go to the bar two or three times a week to have some beers

01:16:01.440 and chat with some others.

01:16:02.160 Otherwise, they're just at work and they're just at home.

01:16:04.460 And I really feared and worried for how those people were doing

01:16:07.020 when the lockdowns came and the bars were shut down

01:16:09.040 and people weren't allowed to go

01:16:09.960 and socialize face-to-face like that.

01:16:12.000 They didn't have, you know, close communication.

01:16:14.380 They wouldn't go to visit the houses of other people

01:16:16.380 they met or knew at the bar necessarily,

01:16:17.900 but that bar was the spot.

01:16:19.960 Then you try to defend it.

01:16:20.720 Well, it's just a bar.

01:16:21.640 It's not important.

01:16:22.340 Well, actually to some people, it's very important.

01:16:24.960 Very important.

01:16:26.380 And they lost that.

01:16:27.660 And again, I think there's a lot of what contributed

01:16:29.700 towards things like addiction and loneliness and depression

01:16:32.380 and things that have happened over the course of the pandemic

01:16:34.260 when you took away that outlet for them.

01:16:35.760 because there were some people who had nowhere else to go. Likewise, you go to a range, check it

01:16:40.600 out. You know, a lot of the people you'll see, they're chatting with each other. They know each

01:16:45.120 other. They spend more time sitting outside in the waiting area or just in the showroom

01:16:49.500 shooting the shit than actually shooting. I mean, you can only spend so much on cartridges.

01:16:54.520 That's because their friends are there. Their buddies are there. They do events.

01:16:57.160 They do competitions or they just, again, just hang out and talk and that's their social

01:17:01.620 spot. Nobody talks about that. Nobody talks about how that could be damaging to take that away from

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01:19:09.440 the prime minister's little lake cottage where he likes hanging out, $735,000. That's what they

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01:19:55.060 renovations on things like that. The prime minister's own little cottage property, $735,000

01:20:00.660 kitchen renovation. What can you do to a kitchen for that much money? Well, I bet you the contractor

01:20:06.480 was, this is speculating. So hang on. I wouldn't be surprised if the contractor was sole sourced

01:20:12.680 and had a connection to a liberal somewhere.

01:20:15.600 But they're saying, oh, no, no, no, there's more to this.

01:20:17.640 It included the pantry and the laundry area, you know.

01:20:21.420 Guys, it's 700 and some thousand for our kitchen reno.

01:20:25.540 Don't try and polish that turd.

01:20:27.480 You ripped us off again.

01:20:30.020 The prime minister makes six figures already.

01:20:32.620 He's already got the other house that he gets to stay in.

01:20:36.480 He lives rent-free in this world.

01:20:38.120 He doesn't pay for anything right now.

01:20:40.680 And then you go and piss $735,000 into his vacation home.

01:20:46.380 Like I said, this is the Harrington Lake one.

01:20:47.760 This isn't even the main house.

01:20:50.280 Costliest kitchen renovation to taxpayers since the governor general managed to do $590,000 at Redo Hall.

01:20:58.140 Come on, you guys.

01:20:59.880 Man, we've got to get rid of this.

01:21:01.720 Bloody government.

01:21:02.700 The arrogance, the belligerence.

01:21:04.160 Of course, it's not as if Trudeau's got to cook in it himself as he's got staff and chefs to do that, right?

01:21:09.960 And the public works minister saying these investments are important.

01:21:13.540 There's that wording in investments, kiss my ass investment.

01:21:16.920 It's a kitchen reno.

01:21:18.440 It didn't need it, especially tight times like now.

01:21:20.420 When you're telling the whole country to tighten their belts,

01:21:23.160 telling us to buck up, suck it up, lose our property, lose our jobs,

01:21:27.360 get locked down, live on CERB.

01:21:29.740 Oh, we're going to give the prime minister a $700 and some $1,000 kitchen

01:21:33.780 renovation on his cottage, not even the main house.

01:21:37.560 Yeah, somebody else pointing out we're the peasants.

01:21:39.300 Kerry saying we're the peasants. Pretty much, we're the serfs. Let us eat cake, right?

01:21:44.880 This is our government at work, but how kind of them, eh? Here's some of them as well. Let's see,

01:21:51.540 230,000 are still working from home. Civil servants, civil servants. No, pandemic is all

01:21:57.020 but gone. There's still some, you know, mandates hanging up there, and that's another area of

01:22:01.600 annoyance and infuriation. But either way, there's still 230,000 federal employees working

01:22:09.440 from home right now. And they don't know when they're going to come back. Okay. You know,

01:22:14.840 if you can do it from home, if you can, and I don't know if you idiots can. Yeah, I know not

01:22:19.200 every bureaucrat's an idiot, but there's a really good high chance of it. Competent people go to the

01:22:22.940 private sector. People who just want to coast and milk the system for the most they can typically

01:22:27.240 owe to the public sector. Maybe they're not idiots. They're just parasitic. Either way.

01:22:35.500 Look at the passport system. It's taking six months to get a bloody passport. Well,

01:22:38.360 that's because all those idiots are doing their work from home. It's the revenue agency,

01:22:43.080 all the rest. You can't get anything fast or efficiently from government as it is.

01:22:46.320 But even if they can prove that some of these people working from home

01:22:49.120 are doing it efficiently, well, why is it costing us more money? Why aren't we closing some offices?

01:22:54.060 Why aren't we selling some government infrastructure if we don't need them in these buildings downtown anymore?

01:22:59.960 So where's this government at?

01:23:01.880 Is it going to be permanent?

01:23:03.260 It's been a couple of years.

01:23:04.420 Again, you know, there's no legislation stopping them from coming back to work in the office now.

01:23:09.220 Get in there.

01:23:10.700 No, they're still hanging at home.

01:23:12.380 Part of that now comes into a bigger issue, too, of course, as you get into the unions and nobody ever wants to take on the unions.

01:23:20.560 Well, nobody in government anyways.

01:23:21.900 Anyways, so yeah, there's somewhere some of your money's going these days, guys.

01:23:28.120 Beautiful.

01:23:29.400 Let's see.

01:23:29.960 Here's another area.

01:23:30.540 $98 million subsidy is for starters.

01:23:33.060 Yes, the CEO of a company who got $27 million in subsidies already for small nuclear reactors.

01:23:39.380 Says he wants more, basically.

01:23:41.720 Oh, yeah, I want to see more investment in energy means of generation and bringing it

01:23:47.520 about, but not if you got to subsidize it to death like that.

01:23:50.000 It's not enough.

01:23:50.480 Guys, if you can't make it work with the amount you already got, then it's time to go elsewhere.

01:23:57.140 But no, no, he'll probably get more.

01:23:58.780 As long as you use those magic words.

01:24:01.120 Climate change.

01:24:02.460 It'll make everybody greener, right?

01:24:03.760 As long as you're making everybody greener, the government will throw more money at you.

01:24:06.120 This guy knows what he's doing.

01:24:08.080 So, yeah, they'll throw more money at this clown.

01:24:10.940 And, again, the rest of us pushing and slaving along, well, again, you're going to have trouble getting those kinds of things.

01:24:18.540 Here's one from BC.

01:24:20.480 Yeah, we didn't have Reid, and he's our BC reporter there and everything, but this one's

01:24:24.280 interesting. The BC Liberal Party is in the midst of deciding whether or not to change the name of

01:24:29.520 their party. I guess their delegates on the weekend said that it's time to move forward

01:24:33.480 with the process. Probably a really good idea. That party, a lot of people get confused with the BC.

01:24:38.880 BC's screwy politically in every way. They love to be that way out there. I'll give them kind of

01:24:42.640 credit for that. But their Liberal Party is basically their version of a Conservative Party,

01:24:46.980 but it's got the liberal name.

01:24:48.020 They're not actually directly connected

01:24:49.740 with the federal liberals whatsoever.

01:24:51.540 But that misnomer does cause confusion.

01:24:53.280 The Conservative Party of BC,

01:24:54.380 which goes under the name of the Conservative Party of BC,

01:24:57.040 is a small sort of fringe sort of party.

01:24:59.620 It doesn't really get anywhere.

01:25:02.420 This is just a strange evolution of things.

01:25:05.380 It's kind of like the NDP went,

01:25:08.260 well, the social credit went down,

01:25:09.580 which was the conservative type of party in BC

01:25:11.900 for a long, long time.

01:25:13.240 NDP took over for a long time

01:25:14.760 and they needed some sort of conservative option for the NDP. So they kind of joined up together

01:25:19.880 around the Liberals and they managed to get into power for quite some time. But now they're having

01:25:24.880 a tough time trying to get those NDP out again. So they're thinking of changing the name of the

01:25:28.360 party. I think they should. In Alberta, I mean, you know, the Liberal Party and people won't even

01:25:32.660 use it for toilet paper out here. They got, I think, what, 1% of the vote in the last provincial

01:25:37.620 election or less than that. Yeah, that's a fantastic remnant of a political party. We're

01:25:42.720 the first political party that held power in Alberta. Let's give some credit, you know, where

01:25:47.660 it's due to Khan, who was their last leader of it, because he was a reprehensible, terrible leader, 1.00

01:25:52.840 and he led them to their worst possible outcome. And I just like shooting at him because he's a 0.99

01:25:57.460 bit of a dork online to get some my case. So hey, here's back to you, Khan. Good work. Nice legacy. 1.00

01:26:03.580 Liberals, I like seeing them go down in any province, whether it's here or elsewhere,

01:26:06.700 or even through a name change.

01:26:09.520 All right.

01:26:10.500 And now Pamela's saying finally,

01:26:11.840 and she's been saying it for years.

01:26:13.000 Good.

01:26:13.680 And yes, Drew saying I could build two modest homes

01:26:16.000 for, yeah, what Trudeau got

01:26:17.420 for his cottage kitchen renovation.

01:26:20.080 Doesn't it feel good to work hard

01:26:21.320 and pay your taxes for that sort of thing?

01:26:23.220 All right.

01:26:23.940 That's enough bending your ear for today, guys.

01:26:26.280 I'm going to come back tomorrow. 0.97

01:26:27.300 And I've got Aurora Townsend on. 0.70

01:26:29.240 She's got Planet Theta.

01:26:31.200 This is something a little different.

01:26:32.440 I'm going to get another guest as well.

01:26:33.500 I hope I'm working on things.

01:26:34.640 It's a tough schedule in this week.

01:26:36.700 And what she's got is a virtual world.

01:26:40.180 She's working, you know, with a software company.

01:26:41.960 It's tied into the meta universe, but actually the world where people go out,

01:26:45.900 virtual reality, socialize, build their worlds.

01:26:48.160 It's kind of like the Sims that we remember as older folks in computers,

01:26:51.000 but way bigger, you know, and more what you see in science fiction and so on.

01:26:54.240 It's getting there.

01:26:55.420 And people develop relationships on there.

01:26:57.360 And part of what she's got going, I guess,

01:26:58.660 part of the problem with these virtual reality worlds is that 1.00

01:27:01.020 some women are getting abused or harassed and they're unsafe on there. 1.00

01:27:04.940 So they're trying to create a safe space.

01:27:06.160 So unfortunately, it sounds like perverts and jerks, weirdos, it doesn't matter which world you go into, they still habitate those areas.

01:27:12.260 But it's an interesting development, and this virtual world is going in.

01:27:14.960 I'd like to talk to her on a few things, because I'm curious about it.

01:27:18.220 I think I'm too old to be interested in that sort of stuff and everything now.

01:27:21.400 But is it necessarily good, too?

01:27:23.940 Is having a world full of everybody introverted and in these virtual worlds a better thing for us?

01:27:27.920 I don't know.

01:27:28.240 I mean, she's going to say yes, she's developing a business on it.

01:27:30.280 That's fine.

01:27:30.800 I don't expect her to answer those things.

01:27:33.020 But it's just an area of big curiosity.

01:27:34.880 is developing and it's going to be big. So that'll be a neat conversation. And of course,

01:27:38.280 there'll be lots of other news and ranting and things on my behalf tomorrow as well. So

01:27:41.700 thank you for tuning in today, guys. And I'll see you tomorrow at 1130 a.m. sharp.

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