Western Standard - Triggered： Danielle Smith is a victim of her own talkativeness

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Good morning. It's Tuesday, July 26, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan. This

00:00:40.500 is the Western Standards daily news, opinion, interview, you name it sort of show. We cover

00:00:47.120 a bit of everything, some tasteless stories, some important stories, some good rants on

00:00:51.660 my part and some that don't necessarily hit home. It's a live show. And because of that,

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00:01:06.900 I won't necessarily answer every one of them or pass them along, but I do read them all

00:01:12.080 as they go by and they do help keep the program fluid.

00:01:14.980 As I said, we get a lot of hiccups now and then and bloopers and such that comes with

00:01:19.500 being live, but the fun part is having that interaction and it makes it worth the other

00:01:24.300 challenges that come in doing a live broadcast like this.

00:01:27.500 So good to see you all checking in from across the country there in Ontario and Calgary with

00:01:31.960 Wendy, Hazel, Jarrett, all sorts of folks there. And somebody in the Honduras even. It's warmer

00:01:39.060 weather than now. So let's get on to some of the observances today and stuff that's important that

00:01:44.080 you have to know. You know, you don't want to miss out on this. This is Anson Uncles Day. In case you

00:01:49.280 didn't already know, this is the day I guess you get out there and celebrate them. I don't know if

00:01:53.660 there's cards for this one. You can always hand draw one. Ants and uncles are always fun. Everybody's

00:01:58.500 always got the weird drunk uncle or the strange ants, don't they? You know, the oddball out there

00:02:04.600 or the fun one or perhaps the one you just don't talk to. Today's the day to observe that next step

00:02:11.180 of your family tree getting a little farther out there and celebrate the contribution they have to

00:02:16.620 your family or lack of. But I mean, it can be a lot of fun. This is the day for it. Not a lot of

00:02:21.340 observances today you know i guess in midsummer most people are up and out and about and doing

00:02:25.620 things but all the same there are still things to be watched it's also all or nothing day

00:02:30.820 so uh yeah this is where you give it all that's a good image nico found of it you know hey don't

00:02:35.760 mess around just jump that cliff and there is no halfway on i guess that stunt right you're

00:02:40.300 either going to splatter on the bottom of a big cliff or you're gonna have made it all the way

00:02:44.300 out there i don't know if it's the best of advice with everything but all the same today if you're

00:02:48.960 sitting there wondering on something, not sure if you should go for it. Today's the day. All or

00:02:53.980 nothing. Go for it. You don't have anything to lose. Well, maybe you do, but it's the day to

00:02:58.420 consider it. All right. Let's see. We've got a couple of great guests as usual. Retired professor

00:03:03.580 of anthropology from Manitoba, Jaime Rubenstein. He's been writing columns for us. He's been

00:03:08.720 writing stuff for the Dorchester Review and putting things out all over the place.

00:03:13.700 very focused on the Indian residential school issue,

00:03:17.940 grave sites, and also with the Pope's visit and apologies.

00:03:20.740 So we're going to discuss a bit of that with Jaime

00:03:22.900 and see what's going on and how things are being received

00:03:25.420 and where we're going with it.

00:03:26.740 And then Western Standard columnist Mike Thomas is going to come in.

00:03:29.460 Mike's been in a lot of times.

00:03:30.840 He writes about all sorts of stuff.

00:03:32.400 It's always a fun conversation.

00:03:33.980 But real estate is really one of the areas of specialty for Mike.

00:03:37.740 And he wrote some pieces recently about some houses,

00:03:39.900 those ones to die for if you won a number of lotteries to be able to buy. But also I'd like

00:03:45.300 to talk to a little bit about, because we're hearing some pretty distressing rumbles about

00:03:49.140 the real estate market that we could be entering a bubble situation, meaning that home equity of

00:03:53.800 yours might be coming down really quickly. It's been going up for quite some time for most people

00:03:58.700 anyways, and we might have a really big correction. Of course, a lot of people are concerned about

00:04:03.420 that. So let me get on to what I'm going to be ranting about, and that's what's in the title of

00:04:07.460 this and it's been unfortunate to watch. So politics, you know, it's always been a game of

00:04:12.360 gotcha when campaigns are going. Candidates and teams, they watch the every word of their opponents

00:04:17.840 in hopes of catching an error or a statement that can be construed as extreme. Danielle Smith handed

00:04:23.420 her political opponents a bombshell last week when she mused about cancer care while interviewing a

00:04:28.900 naturopath during a podcast. So I'm going to quote exactly what Danielle Smith said. She said,

00:04:34.660 once you've arrived and got stage four cancer and there's radiation and surgery and chemotherapy,

00:04:40.320 those are incredibly expensive interventions, not just for the system, but also expensive in the

00:04:45.280 toll it takes on the body. And I think about everything that built up before you got to stage

00:04:50.840 four and that diagnosis that's completely within your control. And there's something that you can

00:04:55.400 do about it that is different. Okay. Now, out of all of those words, the offensive words were in

00:05:02.000 that quote, completely within your control, as you can see highlighted in there. And it isn't

00:05:06.360 surprising that it's upset a lot of people. I mean, pretty much everybody has had experiences

00:05:10.580 with cancer, whether directly or with families and friends. It's a terrible, wasting disease,

00:05:14.940 and it's an unfair one. Cancer takes children and seniors alike, and we've made great strides

00:05:20.240 in treating it, but it's still by far one of our biggest killers out there. Now, Smith walked it

00:05:25.000 back and tried to clarify the statement, but the damage has already been wrought. Her opponents and

00:05:29.620 many in the press have, of course, been eagerly jumping on this and implying she was blaming

00:05:32.900 cancer victims for their own conditions. Now, there's a lot of health and lifestyle choices

00:05:37.300 we can make to reduce the chances of getting cancer. I mean, smoking, of course, is a big one,

00:05:41.500 or reducing drinking, not getting too much direct sun exposure, or avoiding airborne pollutants and

00:05:47.440 other things. Those choices, though, they only reduce the chances of getting cancer. They'll

00:05:51.660 never eliminate them. I mean, non-smokers can get lung cancer too. Young women can get breast

00:05:56.520 cancer, and children can get brain cancer, and there's not a thing that could have been done to

00:06:00.380 avoid it. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt in assuming Smith meant to imply that efforts can be

00:06:05.080 made to mitigate risk and aren't, as she said, completely within one's control. That's all it

00:06:10.200 takes, though. One sentence uttered, whether intentionally or taken out of context, can destroy

00:06:15.800 an entire discussion, or in this case, maybe a campaign. Danielle Smith's strength has been her

00:06:20.760 inquiring interviews, where she verbally walks down the path of speculation, whether politically or

00:06:25.400 even in areas like health care. She mentally meanders verbally, and it makes for an interesting

00:06:30.040 listen. That was part of what made her such a popular talk radio host and allowed her to regain

00:06:34.940 public support and respect after the Wildrose floor party floor crossing debacle from years ago.

00:06:41.260 Unfortunately, though, Smith's verbose style also creates a minefield for herself. The more words

00:06:46.480 you utter, the better the chances you're going to inadvertently come out with something that's

00:06:50.020 going to stir controversy you didn't want to. And it's not such a big problem when you're in media,

00:06:55.240 though she did run afoul of her bosses a number of times while on talk radio.

00:06:58.540 It's a huge problem, though, when running a major political campaign,

00:07:01.680 and you're surrounded by opponents who are going to exploit every possible error.

00:07:05.880 Smith has explained herself repeatedly, and now there's little else she can do

00:07:09.000 but hunker down and see if this one blows over.

00:07:11.520 Time will tell just how damaging the statement may be for her political future.

00:07:16.260 The other thing she's likely going to do, and this is unfortunate,

00:07:18.820 is reduce the amount of time she spends freely speaking.

00:07:21.760 She'll move into the more controlled mode and stick to talking points.

00:07:25.100 And that's unfortunate because it's going to make her sound like every other candidate in the field.

00:07:29.040 I know for me, it's painful when I interview candidates on the show

00:07:31.800 and I can't get anything beyond their carefully scripted statements.

00:07:35.700 I mean, I might as well just read their press releases verbatim

00:07:37.840 and save myself the trouble of booking them.

00:07:40.300 It's a safety tactic on their part, though, and I can see why they embrace it.

00:07:43.940 I just don't have to like it.

00:07:44.980 I do hope we don't see Smith shying away from being outspoken

00:07:47.740 and examining new policy ideas in light of this mess.

00:07:50.660 Her strength is in thinking outside of the box and being receptive to new ideas.

00:07:54.740 That can also be a weakness, though, if it's not done with care.

00:07:57.580 The campaign's still relatively in the early stages, and Smith came out of the gates hard,

00:08:01.740 which made her the presumptive frontrunner.

00:08:04.540 I'm not sure if she's maintaining that status right now.

00:08:07.280 Now, I despise how so many politicians go into the nobody-moves-nobody-gets-hurt mode of campaigns

00:08:13.120 where they shy away from anything that can be considered controversial.

00:08:16.580 In light of recent events, though, we can see why they do it.

00:08:19.520 So we'll see what happens, but, you know, I'm afraid this is going to be a setback in my view

00:08:24.280 for the campaign as a whole, because we're just not going to see as much candid open speaking,

00:08:28.880 not just on Smith's part, but on those, you know, otherwise as well. And it's too bad.

00:08:35.060 All right. Let's see what else is going on out there and check in with our news editor, Dave

00:08:40.900 Naylor. Hey, Dave, how's it going out there in the newsroom? All right, Corey, I'm just wondering

00:08:45.520 what the hell is wrong with you oh where we begin now what have i done this time well that thing i

00:08:51.680 left in the bathroom no no i was almost fine but uh you know jane is obviously very upset with you

00:08:58.400 that you uh you missed the anniversary last week and she's shown everybody like the way you stack

00:09:04.000 dishes in the dishwasher now that's really amateur corey i mean those two plates there

00:09:09.280 they're not going to get clean i mean what are you thinking i i was obviously loading in a rush

00:09:16.000 and this is where our relationship has gotten to with both of us who take part in social media

00:09:20.560 and rather than bickering at home and having her correct me she posts the pictures to publicly

00:09:25.040 shame me uh and and then they get spread onto news broadcasts by news editors who dig through

00:09:31.120 the facebook feed apparently uh hey you know what three out of five of those plates got clean i i

00:09:38.960 I think in terms of dishwashing, that was still a success when you measure it that way.

00:09:43.340 You know, and now you're trying to put the blame on me.

00:09:46.240 You know, I'm trying to help you here, Corey.

00:09:47.600 I'm trying to save you from getting into arguments with your wife.

00:09:51.100 You know, just be careful in the future.

00:09:53.420 Well, I'll try and avoid it.

00:09:55.520 She believes I do it on purpose, you know, to try and get out of doing dishes.

00:09:58.860 But no, I really am just that inept when I get things going, actually.

00:10:02.520 All right.

00:10:03.320 And Jane, you keep telling me whenever he does wrong, and we'll make sure we highlight it for the viewers.

00:10:08.240 I've got lots of stories on the go at the moment, Corey, currently leading the site.

00:10:14.100 His reaction to Stephen Harper's endorsement last night of Pierre Polyev as his person to win the Conservative leadership race.

00:10:24.900 Jean Charest has replied with, well, you know, Prime Minister Harper has made a personal choice,

00:10:30.380 but even if you agree with him, you're still going to be welcome when I win the big prize.

00:10:36.300 so conservatives win when we're united uh is what uh shere says uh there is a ucp poll out

00:10:43.980 from leger showing that uh danielle smith is currently in the lead with about

00:10:49.340 22 percent if i remember the numbers figure if the figure is correctly brian jean with uh 20 percent

00:10:55.340 and uh uh help me out here travis tables with uh with 15 percent uh everybody else might as well

00:11:05.260 pack up their bags and go home. They're like 2% or less. 338 Canada, a polling group is predicting

00:11:15.400 that the UCP will win the next election. Says they've got enough seats for a majority victory,

00:11:20.900 so that'll be interesting. And you remember those egregious bills that came to light probably last

00:11:27.840 month, I think it was, Corey, when the Governor General and some friends went over to Dubai and

00:11:33.360 they were able to rack up a catering bill in the tens of thousands of dollars. Well, the Air Force

00:11:38.860 has basically pushed the Governor General underneath the bus today, saying that all the

00:11:42.980 expenses were on her. It was the Governor General who decided and what they were all going to have.

00:11:49.880 So we got that and a few other stories up there already. Corey, this afternoon,

00:11:54.400 promises to be a busy one. We've got Tamara Leach in Ottawa court. This morning, a judge granted her

00:12:01.240 a new uh bail hearing so that's currently underway and in granting that uh the bail hearing he tore

00:12:08.120 the uh justice of the peace a uh a new one uh for his interpretation of the law and i guess that was

00:12:14.360 easy to do cory because uh the justice of the peace wasn't even a lawyer uh so why he's uh

00:12:19.480 presiding over legal legal events is uh beyond me they got lots more stories to come from arthur

00:12:25.400 green and on the uh the ucp race and uh which candidates are promising to do what if they are

00:12:31.480 elected and uh we've got a story from jonathan bradley who is uh in town for toronto uh he said

00:12:37.800 he went to the peace bridge on the weekend and described it as quite magnificent this was of

00:12:42.840 course before all the vandalism uh one million dollars worth of vandalism from some idiot

00:12:48.200 walking by uh pushing a shopping cart smashing out windows smashed out to 70 panes and that's

00:12:55.320 going to cost more than a million dollars to fix and uh he also did the same thing previously so

00:13:00.680 the same guy obviously doesn't like the bridge but uh you remember cory back at the time it was

00:13:05.880 hugely controversial city hall spending tens of millions of dollars on this bridge by a spanish

00:13:11.960 architect called calatrava but uh you know now it's up people seem to like it uh uh and now it's

00:13:19.080 costing us big bucks every year to to fix it so yeah like maybe like the lrt stations the city

00:13:24.760 is going to shut it down. I mean, I remember the bridge very well because I was very opposed to

00:13:29.940 the construction of it. It was, yeah, $25 million of a Spanish architect, but, you know, it's a

00:13:35.500 sunk cost now. The Calgarians own it. There's no point vandalizing the bloody thing. It's not doing

00:13:40.720 anybody any favors at this point. I mean, that's just crazy. No, I mean, the guy looks obviously

00:13:46.300 homeless. He's pushing his shopping cart. So I think we may be dealing with some mental issues

00:13:51.260 here, Corey. Yeah. Well, hopefully they can resolve that before, yeah, closing it as with

00:13:56.920 the LRT stations. It seems the city goes for the simple answers of shutting things down rather than

00:14:00.340 fixing them sometimes. Indeed they do. All right. Thanks, Dave. I'll talk to you after the show.

00:14:06.540 Thanks, Corey. So that is our news editor, Dave Naylor. Lots on the go. Lots of stories breaking,

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00:15:01.520 rotten legacy media to the wayside where they belong. And yeah, I've seen some of these viewers

00:15:05.280 coming in. Bruce Clark from out in New Brunswick. You know, Jet Gordon out on the other side,

00:15:10.640 New Westminster. We've got people, Rhonda up in Fort St. John. I just love seeing people viewing

00:15:14.400 from all across the country. It's good. I got spanked when I took kind of a cheap shot at

00:15:18.140 Maritimers one time and a couple of Maritime viewers got on there and gave me a good spanking

00:15:22.560 on there in the comment scroll for having done. So reminding me that, yeah, we got people listening

00:15:27.700 across the country here in this, and they appreciate this thing. And it's just good to

00:15:33.220 see it out there and having those commenters take me to task when I need it. Sometimes when I don't

00:15:38.160 need it in my view. We can argue that's fine. And yes, we are really getting out there. Jackie

00:15:44.660 Burton saying what's going on with the police commissioner, Brenda Lucky. Yeah, you know what,

00:15:48.180 probably nothing. Lots of, you know, discussion, things like that going on out there about

00:15:53.400 whether or not the Trudeau government was pushing or interfering in the

00:15:58.260 investigation into the largest mass shooting in Canadian history. Looks pretty likely that it

00:16:04.560 probably did happen, but they'll just talk in circles and nothing really will happen.

00:16:09.360 I would say, yes, you're saying the peace bridge was a huge waste of taxpayers' funds.

00:16:12.820 Absolutely it was. It was, like I said, 25 million bucks. Nobody wanted it. It wasn't even

00:16:17.420 originally called the peace bridge. It was just called a Calatrava bridge because all these

00:16:21.520 hipsters and everybody were all excited that this Spanish architect Calatrava was going to build it,

00:16:26.020 but they had so much public pushback. That's part of what they did was they relabeled it. Well,

00:16:29.160 this is in honor of our veterans and we're going to call it the peace bridge because it stands for

00:16:33.260 peace and going against war. And it was never anything the public wanted. But again, now that

00:16:39.160 it's there, there's no sense costing taxpayers another million, you know, or more a year that

00:16:43.580 by smashing the damn windows out of it all the time. So I've been watching it online. And we've

00:16:51.400 got Lemon Lucy, can we stop calling them the legacy media? How about calling them the woke media?

00:16:57.280 Yeah, I mean, there's a number of terms, you know, our mainstream or legacy anyways, and I know a lot

00:17:01.160 them within there are woke but uh we the main part is we're not them that's that's the main

00:17:06.060 thing remember we're not them so keep watching our site though Tamara Leach is getting a new

00:17:10.380 bail hearing and I've been watching that uh you know before the show and seeing what's going on

00:17:14.220 some of those discussions and it's crazy I mean this is a person on mischief charges who is is

00:17:20.060 been in over well over a month of time in jail with uh you know mischief charges because they

00:17:26.080 keep refusing her bail and we're listening to clowns oh she broke the law she should be it's

00:17:30.540 mischief, you clowns. Bail. I mean, you got to remember until she's guilty, she hasn't been found

00:17:35.620 guilty. She hasn't gone to trial yet. If you're going to hold somebody without bail, you've got

00:17:40.680 to prove, are they presenting a threat to society or are they a flight risk? And there's clearly

00:17:45.980 neither is the case. And what has happened, as Dave mentioned, is a justice of the peace,

00:17:51.660 because that's what often happens in quick hearings and so on. They use a justice of the

00:17:54.480 Peace, not a full out judge. This Justice of the Peace isn't even a lawyer. This is a bureaucrat who

00:18:01.320 got appointed to that role. And the judge today, when it was reviewing this, looked at it and just

00:18:07.740 basically ripped in into the JP and said, you don't understand the law. It was kind of polite

00:18:12.740 about it saying, you know, in sort of a backhanded way, I'm paraphrasing along the lines of saying,

00:18:17.960 we understand you didn't have the full legal training, perhaps that are required to properly

00:18:21.920 address this. And he's called for an immediate bail hearing. Like saying, that's it. We're going

00:18:26.040 into it right now. So today, by the tone of that, it sounds to me like this judge is going to say

00:18:32.540 enough is enough. Let this grandmother go. She can stay home until we get to trial. And I mean,

00:18:39.600 you got to remember being in the buckets, like being in holding on the way to trial. I believe,

00:18:45.720 I could be wrong, but I believe every day you serve in there typically in the Canadian system

00:18:49.200 counts as three days towards your sentence if you get sentenced later, because it's so bad.

00:18:55.580 The conditions are not good in holding. It's not like a long-term setting where prison, which I

00:18:59.380 imagine isn't a very pleasant place to spend time either, but at least in a prison, you're settled

00:19:03.840 in. You can do some things, education, recreation, whatever. In the holding areas, no, it's just

00:19:08.940 you're held. There's not much to do. It's a harsher punishment than being in prison. There's pretty

00:19:14.320 much no way she's going to be settled, even if she gets found guilty and sentenced, that she would

00:19:19.320 be sentenced to serve the amount of days that she's already put in just awaiting trial. And again,

00:19:24.360 people, this is over mischief. And we report constantly at the Western Standard pointing out,

00:19:29.500 I mean, there's some horrible cases, sex offenders, dangerous people out there who are getting

00:19:35.200 released on bail all the time. And we're holding Tamara Leach in there. We're taking up the judge's

00:19:41.640 time, the justice, the peace of time. And some people say, you don't understand, the government's

00:19:45.260 not influencing this, it's the justice system itself, it's fine. Bull, just bull, quit feeding

00:19:50.380 me that. When do you ever see a mischief case get this kind of prosecution? And, I mean, this justice

00:19:57.200 of the peace, if he wants to win brownie points, he was just a bureaucrat, as I said, brownie points

00:20:01.980 with the liberals, what do you think he's going to do? This prosecutor who's obsessed with going

00:20:07.120 after Leach. This is a guy who probably wants to get himself a nice juicy promotion. This is how

00:20:12.940 you become a judge, right? This is how you get up there on the bench, because guess who appoints

00:20:16.680 you to those very high levels in there? Yes, Justin Trudeau does it. So don't try and tell me

00:20:21.700 it's not influencing how these guys are behaving in that courtroom and how they're addressing

00:20:26.860 Tamara Leach's case. Of course it is. And perhaps there's not, you know, direct orders coming down

00:20:34.520 saying crack down on this person but they bloody well know that the higher ups in the justice

00:20:39.320 department and in the liberal government want an example made out of tamara leach and they're

00:20:44.120 pulling out all the stops to try and get her and it's it's it's embarrassing uh frank boucher yeah

00:20:51.640 hey frankie saying yeah holding cells are the most dangerous know a few people who serve time

00:20:56.120 and at a room he's father's a corrections officer yeah i mean it's a transitional place it's not

00:21:00.360 where you're supposed to be for a long time. And I mean, again, look at the resources. I mean,

00:21:04.700 it's insane. When we look back on this historical, even looking now, we can see how ludicrous this

00:21:09.220 is. But they flew multiple homicide detectives all the way out here to grab her from Edison hat

00:21:16.400 and then fly her all the way back to Ottawa to shove her in jail. The expense, the effort,

00:21:23.700 the time. And again, this is time that these homicide detectives, I imagine,

00:21:27.840 aren't investigating homicides.

00:21:31.280 This is time right now

00:21:32.260 when this justice,

00:21:33.460 this real justice now

00:21:35.360 is spending in court

00:21:36.520 determining whether or not

00:21:37.680 to let her go again

00:21:38.820 on her own until court time.

00:21:41.120 All of these resources,

00:21:42.640 total waste of time,

00:21:44.660 addictiveness and spite.

00:21:46.480 I've said it before

00:21:47.100 and I've said it again,

00:21:47.700 people say it's hyperbole.

00:21:48.580 It's not.

00:21:49.000 She's a political prisoner.

00:21:50.580 She's not in there for mischief

00:21:51.560 because people don't do time

00:21:52.780 like that for mischief.

00:21:54.180 She's in there

00:21:54.720 because she embarrassed

00:21:55.700 the government

00:21:56.260 or at least she was a part

00:21:57.480 of a whole bunch of people that embarrass the government and they want to stop it. Somebody

00:22:02.300 else pointed out as well. I mean, we've been talking about that with, you know, the government's

00:22:09.360 got some bigger protests coming probably. This is just the tip of the iceberg. I mean, they're

00:22:13.680 looking to go into the same fertilizer type bans and things like that, that the Dutch government

00:22:19.540 did, that the Sri Lankan government did. The Sri Lankan government got overthrown because of the

00:22:24.760 fertilizer bans that they did. The Dutch, you know, the Netherlands have been overrun with

00:22:30.340 protests and tractors and things blocking roads for weeks and weeks now. They're in serious

00:22:36.660 trouble because of the fertilizer bans. And Prime Minister Ding Dong in Canada still wants to

00:22:41.980 impose a 30% reduction on farmers. They haven't said how yet. Somebody did point out, if you look

00:22:47.920 up Quick Dick, he did a fantastic video on it. We've had him on here occasionally. He's very,

00:22:53.680 He phrases it well in an interesting way.

00:22:55.520 And of course, he knows, you know,

00:22:57.600 a world's more about farming than I do.

00:22:59.440 He is a farmer and a very smart guy.

00:23:01.360 And he lays out what the whole thing is.

00:23:02.500 I mean, they aren't banning

00:23:03.500 or forcing the reduction of it yet,

00:23:04.980 but that they're setting the goal at it.

00:23:06.740 And part of what he pointed out too

00:23:07.720 is farmers, just due to the costs,

00:23:10.400 fertilizers expensive are already,

00:23:13.160 they've been cutting it.

00:23:13.920 And it's just like the oil field.

00:23:15.440 Did they get any credit for it though?

00:23:17.040 No.

00:23:17.500 So they've already reduced it

00:23:18.600 just for the sake of efficiency.

00:23:20.400 I mean, they're not going to waste it.

00:23:22.020 It's expensive.

00:23:23.680 And the prime minister says it wants to, you know, force it to cut more.

00:23:30.800 What's this about Snopes?

00:23:32.540 Check Snopes says what's not true.

00:23:34.360 Sorry, I'm just looking at the comments, and I'm not sure what that one's about.

00:23:40.740 Either way, there's lots of things going around out there.

00:23:43.360 And, yeah, quick, Dick's a good one on that.

00:23:45.100 But what I'm saying is I think this government even knows that the harder times are yet to come,

00:23:49.720 and they're going to be a lot harder, and people are going to protest again.

00:23:52.480 So they want to make sure to say, hey, if you're thinking of protesting,

00:23:55.940 if you're thinking of pushing back on this, this is what we're going to do to you.

00:24:01.900 We're going to take you like we did with Tamara Leach, and we're going to seize your funds.

00:24:06.300 We're going to demonize you.

00:24:07.720 We're going to throw you in jail for indefinite periods of time without bail,

00:24:12.800 impose ridiculous bail conditions upon you.

00:24:16.100 I mean, you see, some people say, well, technically, she shouldn't have spoken to that guy.

00:24:19.660 It was right in her bail conditions because that's what it was all about.

00:24:21.480 She paused for a moment, posed for a picture with a person who was another organizer, and within her bail condition, she was not supposed to be with that person.

00:24:28.660 This is why you have judges.

00:24:30.380 You know, you don't look at it just straight to the letter of what it's about.

00:24:33.520 You have to reason with it.

00:24:35.160 Was this such an egregious offense, such an egregious, even if it was a violation of bail, that it warranted flying her across the country and throwing her back in jail?

00:24:44.760 Come on.

00:24:46.240 I mean, at the most, that's where you would say, we're going to give you a warning.

00:24:50.400 Cut it out.

00:24:50.840 don't stretch it. These rules are here, but don't try to push the edges or where you could find

00:24:57.800 yourself back in. But to yank her across the nation like this over such a minor thing. Now,

00:25:06.060 on the other end of it, some people have said, well, she was allowed to because she had her

00:25:10.980 lawyers present. Okay. You see, just to show a little bit of both sides here. I mean, I think

00:25:17.240 the requirements were just too overwhelming and odious, but all the same, she wasn't supposed to

00:25:21.000 be seen with that guy, that fellow she paused with, unless she was with lawyers. The reason they allow

00:25:25.480 it with lawyers is because if they were going to be doing something for the defense or things like

00:25:29.580 that in this official meeting, they can allow the interaction in that setting. Just because the

00:25:33.980 lawyers were in the same room at an awards ceremony, that's also kind of abusing the spirit

00:25:39.180 of what the restriction was supposed to be about. That was kind of a bit of pushing the limits on

00:25:44.080 what you're supposed to be allowed. Again, I think the restriction was unreasonable, but don't, you

00:25:49.400 know, you're not doing yourself any favors when you push the edges to see how much you can get

00:25:52.840 away with either. I don't think for a second, though, that was purposeful on her part.

00:25:57.360 Somebody said Tom Mirazzo is his name. Thank you, Cindy. And, you know, I don't think it was

00:26:01.840 purposeful on her part. She certainly would have done it if she thought it was going to get her

00:26:04.540 flown across the country and thrown in jail again. But you do have to take some pretty extra care,

00:26:09.300 especially when you have a government that's so clearly eager to throw you in jail and keep you

00:26:17.520 there. Mr. Rubenstein seems to be delayed, and I'm not sure why, but I'm just going to, you know,

00:26:22.840 bear with me. I'm going to send him a quick email just to see what's up, because I know I spoke

00:26:27.860 with him earlier. As I was saying earlier, the challenges of being live, we get all sorts of

00:26:36.040 hang-ups now and then, but it does make for a better interactive show. But when these guests

00:26:40.220 are late with me, it kills me because I got to ramble aimlessly for periods of time to fill the

00:26:44.840 void. All the same. Okay, here's some, let's look into something kind of positive. In a country

00:26:52.660 that's at least not, you know, led by somebody who's not a complete imbecile or ideological

00:26:57.100 lunatic like Canada is, Australia. So we got Anthony Albanese saying, labor will not support

00:27:02.820 a moratorium on fossil fuel projects because to do so would have a devastating impact on the

00:27:07.620 Australian economy. As a labor leader, it's the left, it's their version of liberal. They realize

00:27:14.060 the realities of fossil fuel moratoriums. They say, we can't do this. We can't pay the bills with

00:27:22.980 this. So yeah, this is, there's the introduction on Wednesday, enshrining the labor's 2030 to 2050

00:27:29.600 reduction targets. And he told them that the moratorium was a policy of the Greens. Even

00:27:34.980 Labor's dodging away from it. And they're saying, no, we can't do this. It's not in our policy. We

00:27:40.120 won't be implementing it. We won't be supporting it. Why can't we figure that out here? And it's

00:27:44.820 funny because he's saying it's not going to have an impact realistically to the climate. I mean,

00:27:54.580 that's the thing. That's supposedly the goal of all this, right? Australia is not a big enough

00:27:58.800 player for it. And it's just going to hurt them. And he's even talking about coal and things such

00:28:04.780 as that. We've got to understand this. This gets to the fertilizer and all of this emissions

00:28:11.080 obsession. All of it. I'm not going to go into whether or not climate change is real, whether

00:28:14.560 or not we're causing it or all that stuff. It's fine. But what I do want to point out is that

00:28:20.440 these initiatives to get rid of things won't work until they come up with an alternative.

00:28:25.340 And right now, there is not an alternative for those types of fertilizers we use that are keeping world famine from happening.

00:28:33.500 You can't ban something until you can point somewhere else to let people go to.

00:28:41.640 I mean, people say, well, you're going to go to organic fertilizer, you know, save your poo, compost your lawn clippings.

00:28:47.660 Hey, that's great around the household, guys.

00:28:50.200 It's not going to work in a commercial farm field.

00:28:53.900 And you've got to have those larger fertilizers.

00:28:57.860 The amount of yield per acre has gone up 500% in the last 80 years

00:29:02.960 around the world with modern farming, and that's because of fertilizer.

00:29:06.920 And if you cut that by 30%, 50%, 100%, or as they found in Sri Lanka

00:29:11.500 when they banned it and said, we're going to go organic, oh, good work.

00:29:15.360 You get riots, you get starvation.

00:29:17.960 You've got to come up with the alternative.

00:29:19.400 If you stop these chemical fertilizers, what the hell are they supposed to go with?

00:29:22.960 If we stop with oil and gas, what are we supposed to go with?

00:29:26.820 We've exposed that you guys don't have an option for us.

00:29:29.960 Wind doesn't work.

00:29:31.460 It won't fill the void.

00:29:33.920 Solar, again, same thing.

00:29:36.320 It's sporadic, it's expensive, and doesn't generate nearly enough power.

00:29:41.060 We can't do it.

00:29:42.880 So we have to get realistic with these things.

00:29:46.800 And this is where we cause disruptions.

00:29:48.220 It's where ideology is trumping reality.

00:29:52.960 and we've got to push back.

00:29:56.400 So as somebody else was saying,

00:29:57.660 you know, this labor leader is fairly useless,

00:30:00.660 but he knows he won't be in for long

00:30:01.740 if he doesn't reject the green agenda,

00:30:03.080 and that's fine.

00:30:04.180 Again, if even a labor leader, though,

00:30:06.040 can realize it, they understand that.

00:30:08.120 Trudeau doesn't realize that,

00:30:09.820 and I think it will cost them,

00:30:12.020 but it's going to cost us a lot first in pain.

00:30:16.500 So I'm going to pop Melanie Rizdin in

00:30:18.420 because, yeah, it's a good time to point out,

00:30:20.360 since Mr. Rubenstein seems to be delayed,

00:30:22.940 And Melanie's got something to share.

00:30:24.180 She's been working on a series, actually, a seven-part series,

00:30:27.020 and it's starting today, COVID Freedom Heroes.

00:30:29.620 So let's pull her in and have a quick discussion here

00:30:31.620 while we wait for Mr. Rubenstein and make good use of this time.

00:30:35.120 Hey, Mel, thanks for coming in to talk to us.

00:30:37.340 Absolutely.

00:30:38.840 Yeah, so I thought we could just chat a little bit

00:30:41.920 about the seven-part series that the Western Standard

00:30:44.620 is going to launch as of today, actually.

00:30:47.540 It's called COVID Freedom Heroes,

00:30:49.840 And we are featuring seven different groups or people who were, you know, sort of heavy behind the scenes working to fight for people's right to gather and worship, their right to travel, their right to bodily autonomy, things like that.

00:31:09.960 So, uh, seven part series coming up and, uh, we're launching tonight featuring the very first

00:31:15.720 hero, uh, which we've labeled, uh, the justice center for constitutional freedoms.

00:31:22.160 Great. Yeah. And the JCCF, well, I mean, uh, them and their lawyers, John Carpe and Jay and a lot

00:31:28.200 of the others, I mean, they've been front and center throughout this entire thing on a number

00:31:32.140 of things, whether it's religious freedoms, uh, free choice in medical treatment and things such

00:31:36.820 at. So that'll be a good one to kick it off with for sure. Yeah. And then we've got, of course,

00:31:41.520 as mentioned, seven-part series. So we'll have more following that. We're going to do another

00:31:47.220 series on Thursday. We're launching all of these for a watch live at seven o'clock. But of course,

00:31:54.000 you can find them on our social channels and as well on our website after the fact as well.

00:32:00.040 And on Thursday, we are going to feature Free to Fly, which was co-founded by two Canadian pilots.

00:32:06.820 to help support other aviation professionals as well as the thousands of travelers that were

00:32:13.540 affected by the travel restrictions announced by the federal government across Canada

00:32:19.220 and limiting travel for Canadians who are unvaccinated.

00:32:24.980 Yeah well I mean lots to look forward to and those are subjects you've been covering of course

00:32:29.140 quite a bit quite a while and you've had a number of interviews so seeing it in a full series like

00:32:33.940 this will be a really good way to get in all those those different levels of the people pushing back

00:32:37.940 on this right now well and the other thing that i think is great about this too um is that uh a lot

00:32:43.380 of all of the coverage that we have done uh throughout the pandemic we are going to include

00:32:49.780 in these features with sort of click-throughs to to stories and coverage that we did for the

00:32:56.500 different uh covet freedom heroes that we're featuring so for people who've just joined us

00:33:01.540 here at the western standard it will sort of be a nice way of compiling uh things that have

00:33:07.620 transpired and our coverage of it and so you know it's it's just a great option for people to to

00:33:14.260 really get a feel for uh for what kind of coverage we've done throughout the the last kind of two

00:33:20.100 years uh and then of course next week we're going to be uh featuring um uh or highlighting the uh

00:33:27.300 the faith community, the faith community led by Pastor Coates from Grace Life Church and sort of

00:33:35.260 that fight to the right to gather and worship and sort of not live in fear. And then we also will

00:33:43.480 be featuring next week Chris Scott from Whistle Stop Cafe. So we're going to touch base with him

00:33:49.200 and all of these do have a watch portion as well. So we're going to be interviewing these people

00:33:55.380 and catching up with them, just sort of recapping some of the things that they experienced

00:34:00.960 throughout their ordeal through the pandemic and just finding out where they're at now

00:34:07.160 and what's happening with them and what their hopes are.

00:34:10.500 Excellent. Sounds like great work.

00:34:11.860 So before I let you go, just to remind everybody, when are they going to catch them and where?

00:34:15.820 Well, so we are going to launch tonight with the JCCF, Justice Centre,

00:34:20.560 and Thursday we will be featuring Free to Fly

00:34:23.860 and then we will have another set next week.

00:34:27.240 But don't worry, we're going to have lots of sort of promotion

00:34:30.020 where people can find them and when they can watch.

00:34:32.640 Excellent.

00:34:33.120 And it sounds like our commenters are excited and looking forward to it.

00:34:35.740 Thanks for coming in to remind us that it's all coming out, Melanie.

00:34:38.780 I'm looking forward to seeing them.

00:34:40.280 Absolutely.

00:34:41.220 Great, thanks.

00:34:41.760 So that's Melanie Riston who's been hard at work on that series.

00:34:44.260 I've been watching actually.

00:34:45.080 I see her coming and going from the studio, but we're all so busy here.

00:34:47.260 I know she's been doing all these interviews.

00:34:48.740 I was wondering what that was all going to come together to.

00:34:50.360 I knew this was happening, but it's good to see the culmination of all that work.

00:34:54.420 Okay, so he's a little delayed, but we've got him now.

00:34:56.640 Let's bring Jaime in and discuss some of the stuff that I've been looking forward to.

00:35:02.500 And that's with the Pope's visit in the Indian residential schools.

00:35:06.460 And boy, all sorts of stuff we've been talking about over this last couple of months, actually.

00:35:11.300 So hello, Jaime. Thanks for joining us today.

00:35:14.120 Thank you for having me. I'm getting a lot of background noise.

00:35:17.580 Somehow there's a poor connection.

00:35:20.360 but I'll try my best.

00:35:22.260 Okay, that's unfortunate.

00:35:23.540 Yes, you're sounding good and clear to us anyhow.

00:35:28.040 So, I mean, the Indian Residential Schools

00:35:30.420 has been an issue

00:35:31.260 as you've been writing a lot in your newsletter

00:35:33.300 and in the Dorchester Times

00:35:34.900 as well with columns here

00:35:37.860 in the Western Standard occasionally.

00:35:40.320 And it's going to be in the news scroll

00:35:42.020 quite a bit right now

00:35:43.020 as we have Pope Francis visiting right now

00:35:46.520 and making a number of apologies

00:35:48.200 for the Indian residential schools.

00:35:51.740 What's your interpretation on how,

00:35:54.320 is this visit going to help towards reconciliation?

00:35:57.820 I doubt it, because the end game is not reconciliation.

00:36:04.020 It's never been about reconciliation.

00:36:07.600 We would have had reconciliation decades ago

00:36:11.140 if that was the ultimate goal.

00:36:13.300 Even the Pope admitted in his speech, in his apology, that there's still a long way to go.

00:36:21.160 He said, we're at the beginning.

00:36:23.240 Everybody's, you know, first step.

00:36:24.640 He said, this is the first step.

00:36:26.260 My apology today.

00:36:27.680 It's always a first step.

00:36:29.140 There's never a second step.

00:36:30.360 I wonder why.

00:36:32.060 Well, and that's part of what I've seen, you know, some reactions to, though, with people, even if the Pope legitimately wants to end this.

00:36:41.040 It's never enough.

00:36:42.200 I mean, people are already saying, yeah, it is the first step.

00:36:44.780 But when does this ever end?

00:36:47.720 And there just doesn't seem to be any resolution.

00:36:50.400 We just keep reopening an old wound.

00:36:56.140 I didn't catch the last part.

00:36:57.800 Sorry.

00:36:58.440 Oh, that's okay.

00:36:59.620 I'm going to adjust my microphone here, my earphones, I mean, if that helps.

00:37:10.340 Sorry for that.

00:37:11.220 Oh, that's okay, if you're hearing me a little better now.

00:37:15.520 Look, this is only one.

00:37:19.380 There have been dozens of these apologies within the Catholic Church

00:37:26.900 and in other faiths for many years now,

00:37:30.780 but we're still at a stage where we do not have the basis for the apology,

00:37:37.020 namely the factual basis.

00:37:38.560 The Pope himself admitted that when he said more research has to be done.

00:37:46.200 Why did he say that?

00:37:47.660 Yet his apology accepted all of the accusations made in the six volumes of the Truth and Reconciliation Report of 2015,

00:37:58.380 including accusations directly, indirectly, and in his address about children being forced to

00:38:06.780 attend the schools. 150,000 children were forced to attend Indian residential schools.

00:38:13.800 There is no evidence of that. The evidence is on the other side, that most of the children who

00:38:20.300 attended, attended voluntarily based on both the law and on the will of their parents. There was a

00:38:29.500 27, a 28-year period between 1920 and 1948. I'm sorry, it's probably a 24-year period

00:38:41.340 when Indian residential school attendance was mandatory if and only if there was no

00:38:49.340 day school, Indian day school on the particular reserve. And in fact, over the entire period

00:38:55.980 of the Indian residential schools, only a third of actual children attended these schools at most

00:39:06.700 through the entire 113 year period of the Indian residential schools. Most children

00:39:13.740 either attended day schools or no school at all and even up to the up to 1940 something like 40

00:39:21.980 percent of indigenous children were attending no school at all that is the tragedy corey

00:39:29.980 yeah and then when when uh you see broad-based apologies though and if we aren't even sure

00:39:34.780 exactly what it's for it kind of opens uh one up for a lot more follow-up and liability

00:39:39.580 unfortunately though like i mean any lawyer will advise you often i'm afraid you know if something

00:39:44.860 wrong has happened if you're worried about liability the first thing don't apologize yet

00:39:48.380 as soon as you apologize you're admitted guilt and uh i mean that's what i'm saying is we're

00:39:52.860 hearing activists we're hearing others saying okay this is just the beginning that they're going to

00:39:56.780 be coming after the the catholic church for for more than an apology soon there's a big disappointment

00:40:02.860 this morning and it was since April the April first apology about reparations not being part

00:40:13.820 of the apology you know apologies are something but they're not enough what are you going to do

00:40:21.740 to compensate for all the damage that was done to the children at these residential schools that you

00:40:28.220 are responsible for. The underlying assumption, of course, was that there was horrible

00:40:35.340 damage done to each and every student who attended the residential schools.

00:40:39.980 I am the last person who will deny that some students were damaged at the schools,

00:40:46.140 that some teachers were brutal, that some sexual abuse, I'm not going to deny that some sexual

00:40:53.180 abuse occurred to some children at some schools during certain periods. Many of those individuals

00:41:01.820 involved have been punished. Most of them were not clerical personnel. They were other workers

00:41:07.980 in the school. The bulk of the sexual abuse that took place took place between students

00:41:14.380 as occurs in residential schools all over the world throughout human history. So, you know,

00:41:21.820 know when you start off with the assumption that there was all this damage and you're not giving

00:41:27.100 the proof of this damage and you're saying well there's this legacy even among people who never

00:41:34.220 went to a residential school in communities where nobody went to residential schools which as much

00:41:40.460 as eastern canada there's only one indian residential school yet all of the same pathologies

00:41:45.740 that we see among indigenous people high crime high unemployment high suicide uh etc etc high

00:41:54.300 poverty occurs at the same rate in these other places yeah and i worry that unfortunately even

00:42:02.540 if some of it might be well-meaning and so on i mean you know when we get again to not getting

00:42:06.620 any closer to any closure i've been watching the coverage of it you know it's been going

00:42:10.460 around the clock and i see the language and the uncorrected language of activists and others

00:42:15.100 who refer to every one of them as a survivor even if you went to a day school you're called a

00:42:19.900 survivor as if you'd endured something beyond what anybody else going to school does as if somebody

00:42:24.460 was trying to kill you or constantly and i had that my opening monologue yesterday the word

00:42:28.620 genocide keeps putting out there and there was no bloody genocide but the more we keep driving that

00:42:33.900 in through the news and with these apologies the more people get that misconception that this all

00:42:38.140 happened. What I find particularly interesting about the Pope's apology is it's diametrically

00:42:47.260 opposite to what Pope John Paul II said when he visited Canada in 1985. Let me just read two

00:42:59.280 sentences here. He went to, I'm sorry, 1987. He stopped at Fort Simpson in the Northwest

00:43:06.100 territories and on a particular First Nations reserve. And this is what he said about the

00:43:11.300 Catholic missionaries, the teachers in the schools. The revival of your indigenous culture

00:43:17.940 and traditions that you know today is largely due to the initiatives and continuous efforts

00:43:24.380 of the missionaries. Your ancestors knew by instinct that the gospel, far from destroying

00:43:32.260 their authentic values and customs, had the power to purify and uplift the cultural heritage

00:43:38.660 which they had received. So Corey, what happened over the 30 years? Why is this this this turnaround

00:43:47.460 when it's all based on the same historical evidence which suggests that John Paul II was

00:43:53.220 quite right that students were often often instructed by priests who had learned their

00:44:02.340 indigenous language and often spoke it to them spoke it to them in their indigenous language

00:44:08.420 whether it was Cree or Ojibwe or whatever outside the classroom inside the classroom just as in

00:44:14.100 French immersion in Canada you've got to stick to the syllabus and the syllabus says it's you know

00:44:18.820 you're learning English, you're learning French, but outside the classroom and on events and

00:44:24.900 excursions and so on, Indigenous people were allowed to speak their languages and allowed

00:44:31.700 to practice their cultural activities, which missionaries took great zeal in recording and

00:44:37.940 supporting in many cases. And I'm saying there weren't some rotten apples, but the few rotten

00:44:44.740 apples cannot be taken as representative representative of the entire barrel

00:44:49.940 yeah so i mean where do we go with this though i mean this tour is going to go ahead and there's

00:44:55.940 going to be more people looking for more compensation getting back to more of the

00:44:59.300 interviews as i've done with you know brian uh giesbrecht and and clifton and others and i want

00:45:04.020 to keep on this are we ever going to finally investigate and get the facts on this though i

00:45:09.300 mean there doesn't seem to be will on the part of legacy media a little bit capping with the national

00:45:13.140 post and terry glavin uh but you know people just say the mythology is overtaking the reality and

00:45:19.860 i'm not sure if we could stop it it's an uphill road slowly but surely some of the data is coming

00:45:25.300 out it's all there it's all in the archives the truth and reconciliation commission did a very

00:45:31.620 sloppy job in collecting the data they did a very a sloppy job in uh in even trying to get a

00:45:41.700 representative sample of the tens of thousands of students who are still alive. They let any

00:45:49.140 student come to these testimonials and to these hearings who had, most of them had a grievance

00:45:58.180 that they wanted to reveal. So we're slowly getting to know that and we're slowly getting to

00:46:06.100 realize that there are no missing children. This is something that many people are now working on.

00:46:13.700 We're finding them in the archives, archives and data that were ignored by the Truth and

00:46:20.180 Reconciliation Commission. How can you say there's a missing child when the child

00:46:27.860 was recorded is dead? The child is just dead. The child is not missing.

00:46:31.380 Yeah, and you'd corrected me on that before. The very first time we had you on the show,

00:46:37.940 because I was under this misconception that while there was poor record keeping and we don't know

00:46:41.940 who was where and whatnot, and no, the records were actually very meticulous. We knew the

00:46:46.440 disposition of pretty much every child, whether they died or went back home or whatever happened

00:46:52.820 with them. But again, a lot of us are under this, were under this misinformation that children have

00:47:00.020 vanished and they haven't there's there's nobody looking for them because they there's none

00:47:02.900 disappeared if thousands of students were missing you would have thousands of families

00:47:09.840 looking for them by name by name of child by the name of the individuals who are looking for them

00:47:18.640 you would have countless police reports there would have been investigations years ago it's

00:47:25.100 simply false. You're buried in unmarked graves. What are unmarked graves? You go to any cemetery

00:47:32.660 in Winnipeg, you're going to find unmarked graves or in Calgary from the 19th century,

00:47:37.820 because poor people did not have money to get a headstone. They put in a wooden cross,

00:47:42.460 which disintegrated within 20 or 30 years. Oh, yeah. At the Calgary Union Cemetery,

00:47:48.580 if you go to the south side, you see a big wide open area where you just see some

00:47:51.960 surface ground disturbances and that was what used to be called the potter's field because

00:47:55.880 yeah there was a wooden cross put in for for transient individuals or people who were poor

00:48:00.820 and and uh the all record of a visible record of it disappeared it's not uncommon at all for

00:48:05.260 old cemeteries absolutely and we we have those all over the country for all sorts of groups

00:48:13.120 uh not just in the individual indigenous individuals when students died at a school

00:48:19.300 and many died as students in the school. They were normally not buried in the cemetery

00:48:27.880 adjacent to the school, which was largely for school personnel. The nuns, the priests, the

00:48:35.680 workers, you know, they've come from thousands of miles away. So there was no way to send them

00:48:40.760 home after they died. So they had their own cemetery. Very few students were buried in

00:48:45.700 those cemeteries the vast majority of them when he became ill they were either sent to a hospital

00:48:51.900 nearby hospital to a dedicated uh indigenous hospital or back to their home community when

00:48:59.620 they died in their home community they were buried in their home cemeteries yeah historical record

00:49:06.560 this is not a hypothesis on my part no and i appreciate your your ongoing work with this so

00:49:13.800 Well, I mean, before I let you go, and I'm certain we'll be talking again because this subject just keeps going.

00:49:18.720 And as I've been writing columns as well and pushing, we need to investigate.

00:49:22.020 We need to look into what really happened in Kamloops.

00:49:24.700 We've got to get the facts out there.

00:49:26.680 Where can we find your work?

00:49:29.000 I know you have a newsletter and you've put stuff in the Dorchester Review.

00:49:32.180 Where can people track that down?

00:49:33.500 My newsletter is on Substack and the address is simply

00:49:40.220 hymie.substack.com.

00:49:46.420 Great. Well, I really appreciate you carrying on with this and speaking up and, you know,

00:49:51.240 I'll keep on it too. And eventually we'll find some resolution one way or another on this issue.

00:49:56.300 Thank you for having me on.

00:49:57.780 All right. We'll talk again soon. Thank you.

00:49:59.800 Thank you.

00:50:00.160 So that was Mr. Jaime Rubinstein. He's a retired professor of anthropology in Manitoba and he's put a lot of work in on this and he's worked with others. There's been a lot of documentation. I mean, the bottom line is we just want to get to the bottom. Nobody's denying that wrongdoing happened, not for a second. It's just that we're allowing this to just keep snowballing and growing and getting into a mythology that's not helping anybody heal.

00:50:26.960 It's not putting anybody into a better position.

00:50:30.360 Isn't that what we want in the end?

00:50:31.580 To just finally get to a point of saying

00:50:33.080 this was a period in history.

00:50:35.480 We've resolved it.

00:50:36.520 We've settled it.

00:50:37.260 It was dark and we're finished with it.

00:50:40.720 I mean, I know there's conspiracy kooks

00:50:42.500 like Burnt Offerings who thinks the Freemasons

00:50:44.200 are the one who hid all this.

00:50:45.360 Well, you're welcome to do that.

00:50:48.100 I'm pretty sure that it wasn't the Freemasons actually.

00:50:51.840 It could very well have been the aliens

00:50:53.320 and the lizard people, but we will see.

00:50:55.020 But for the time being, the evidence we do have is available in church records and archives and as well, hopefully, with what I would like to see is a forensic excavation and looking into these sites where these anomalies have been found and seeing just what happened.

00:51:14.900 And again, it's just as I said the other day, if they dig up a bunch of children's bodies

00:51:18.820 and it appears that they were hidden and that they were murdered or abused, well, let's

00:51:23.120 get on with it.

00:51:23.800 Let's find out.

00:51:24.560 There could be people living who took part in that.

00:51:26.460 There could be people who actually did this.

00:51:29.720 Sorry, I'm not laughing at something so serious, but I'm just looking at the commenter bird

00:51:32.500 officer saying, ad hominem in text, show that you are a Mason scum.

00:51:36.040 Yes, you're right.

00:51:36.860 I got that little tattoo on my ass, actually, with the hammer and all that stuff.

00:51:40.700 Me and Homer Simpson with a stone hinge.

00:51:43.220 All right, that's enough of you, kooks.

00:51:44.500 Let's go on to a more local kook. And that is our own Mike Thomas.

00:51:49.740 How are you, Corey?

00:51:50.560 Good, good. We've got Mike in studio. And yeah, busy times, lots of stuff to come.

00:51:57.260 A lot of stuff going on. Yeah, for sure.

00:51:59.940 I guess I want to start though. I mean, real estate's your turf. You've

00:52:02.840 putting out some of those, you know, homes to die for, those incredible giant...

00:52:08.560 You know, it's... Navi invented the term real estate porn.

00:52:12.640 And really, that's what it is, a chance to sneak inside and look inside the big expensive houses that otherwise you're not going to get anywhere near.

00:52:20.700 I don't understand them.

00:52:22.020 I really don't understand them.

00:52:25.360 I guess if you've got that kind of money, you've got to spend it on something.

00:52:28.480 But if I had that kind of money, I'd be doing other stuff with it.

00:52:31.940 Yeah, I mean, to each their own.

00:52:33.040 I mean, if I won all those lottery things, I don't think I'd need some 20,000 square foot house.

00:52:36.520 I mean, I mean, I'd stay in some luxury hotels while I travel the world and get my foot massages.

00:52:40.160 Buy a beachfront in Hawaii.

00:52:42.640 yeah but see but there's some amazing places out there but you know it is interesting looking at

00:52:47.360 them and and looking at how people decorate them because i mean obviously they're all custom done

00:52:52.160 and how they furnish them um there's some there's like almost you can almost tell the age of the

00:52:59.280 people who own the house because of the furniture you know you've got the old big stuff sofas and

00:53:04.720 stuff like that well that's an older couple yeah then you got the well there's a younger guy so

00:53:09.840 So it's interesting.

00:53:11.000 Well, it's like us with music.

00:53:12.080 You know, everywhere you hit a certain point in age

00:53:14.080 where you just kind of lock on to a style and a trend

00:53:16.320 and we stick with it.

00:53:18.160 So we're never going to see, you know,

00:53:19.740 us more elderly getting on there, you know,

00:53:23.660 holding on, doing well with the hip new styles or anything.

00:53:26.540 We stick to our older stuff.

00:53:27.860 But yeah, it's amazing what people will do their houses.

00:53:32.000 What were some of the prices on some of those ones?

00:53:33.900 The most expensive one, I think, in Montreal was $39 million.

00:53:37.540 $9 million for a house.

00:53:38.760 The most expensive one in Alberta was $12 million up in Canmore.

00:53:44.120 And I'm reasonably familiar with the housing so much as that years ago

00:53:49.400 when they opened the Three Sisters Village up there.

00:53:51.940 We went on a tour of all the houses,

00:53:55.220 but it looks totally different than it did back then.

00:53:58.920 I can imagine the property taxes and maintenance.

00:54:01.240 Oh, it's huge.

00:54:02.140 It's not just that purchase price you're dealing with.

00:54:03.900 You know, a lot of the houses come listed with what your down payment is going to be.

00:54:09.760 The down payment is more than most people spend on a house in our life or in the world we live in.

00:54:16.740 And then the taxes are running, I don't know, $2,500, $3,000, $4,000 a month.

00:54:22.660 So I have no idea how you could manage that.

00:54:27.040 It just escapes me.

00:54:27.900 I mean, there's just people that are at a level of wealth that we just can't imagine really.

00:54:32.700 And I don't even know if I'd want to be. I'd rather have the same amount of money as you've got.

00:54:37.960 Well, that's a modest amount. I mean, you know, set your bar somewhere where it can be accomplished.

00:54:43.860 And you've got it. You know, I'm not starving, but yeah, Gene and I aren't in the market for any

00:54:48.900 monster places in the near future. But so yeah, and here's your most recent one. I mean, this is

00:54:54.960 what people have been hearing on the news and talking about, though, and a lot of people are

00:54:59.080 sweating right now. It sounds like the bubble could be popping in the real estate.

00:55:02.440 You know, I hate that phrase.

00:55:03.480 Okay, well.

00:55:04.200 I hate that phrase.

00:55:06.280 For the bubble to pop means that every housing market across the country has to implode.

00:55:15.240 The bubble burst of the United States in 2008, that was the sign of it.

00:55:19.400 That's a bubble bursting.

00:55:20.600 That was government intervention made a mess.

00:55:23.040 Well, it was lack of government intervention, if the truth be told.

00:55:27.820 because what they were doing down there in 08 and prior to that is they were the mortgage companies

00:55:34.060 and there's a i mean it's a whole different set of rules down there yeah and what we have but they

00:55:38.140 were giving mortgages to people who never should have had them should never have had them and then

00:55:42.940 what they did is they bundled them up so what they these small guys do is they they say they put 50

00:55:50.140 mortgages into a bag basically take them to the big financial companies the mortgages in that bag

00:55:56.940 were not all good but they were they had a value because each mortgage obviously has a value so

00:56:02.140 what happens is you got a bag full of mortgages that are worth five million dollars pick a number

00:56:07.900 that they're selling to the big guys for three million dollars so they're thinking this is a

00:56:12.540 good deal but they were all bad mortgages yeah that's why those big guys went down well i did

00:56:18.540 a bunch of american work after that and i was working in the northeast a lot in pennsylvania

00:56:23.180 I remember doing a job in Bradford, and there was this, this was around 2008, 2009, just after the crash, and there was this mansion.

00:56:30.900 It had to be 78,000 square feet, Victorian brick, beautiful on probably an acre.

00:56:35.840 They were asking 90,000.

00:56:37.840 They were begging people just to take it off their hands.

00:56:40.940 I mean, it would have been a $5 million home in Calgary, and they were just trying to get out of it.

00:56:45.180 So the bubble that burst in the States, I mean, that became a self-fulfilling prophecy in Canada,

00:56:51.440 because you watch that when, oh, boy, we're all in trouble.

00:56:55.000 There's panic, sell the house quick.

00:56:57.620 So now the number of homes for sale, they're all over the place.

00:57:01.580 The selection is huge.

00:57:02.660 So in order to sell your house, you've got to bring your price down below the guy next door.

00:57:08.520 Otherwise, you're not going to sell it.

00:57:09.660 So that's what everybody did, not everybody.

00:57:12.300 The stress test came along after that.

00:57:13.960 After that, and that's right, which is the stress test.

00:57:17.580 When it initially came out, I kind of went, well, I don't know if we need that.

00:57:20.580 And now, in retrospect, absolutely.

00:57:22.940 That could save us.

00:57:25.620 Right now, the stress test, well, it used to be whatever mortgage rate you got plus 2% or 5.25%, whichever was higher that you had to qualify at, that qualification is now up around 6%.

00:57:39.960 And with the Bank of Canada, probably going to hit it up again 50, 75 in points in September, it'll go even higher.

00:57:50.580 So that's pulling activity out of the market.

00:57:53.360 So to say that people aren't necessarily in a panic to sell because of that stress test,

00:57:59.460 they had to be able to prove they could make the payments at 6.5% or 5.25%,

00:58:05.260 otherwise no mortgage, and that's federal regulations.

00:58:08.880 Because a panic sale is what could really cause a bad domino effect.

00:58:12.700 And that's what caused, that's what happened in Canada, and not everywhere.

00:58:16.840 Canada recovered from that a whole lot quicker than the United States did.

00:58:22.680 And that had a lot to do with Stephen Harper, who's back in the news.

00:58:26.440 But there's so many pieces to this puzzle.

00:58:32.280 Well, there's multiple markets.

00:58:33.460 I mean, the real superheated ones we always hear about are in Vancouver and Toronto.

00:58:38.180 The Golden Horseshoe in the Lower Mainland and Victoria in B.C. will be hit the hardest.

00:58:45.240 Correct.

00:58:45.640 Correct, I guess is the word you were using.

00:58:47.080 Correct, yes, correct.

00:58:49.260 But only because they were so hot and the prices were driven up so high.

00:58:56.120 So if everything, if there's going to be a 23% reduction in sales,

00:59:01.200 which is what the economists are forecasting today,

00:59:04.680 23% value in Toronto is way a lot more money than it is in Calgary.

00:59:11.220 And so that's what people will look at.

00:59:13.440 The other thing to keep in mind right now, are sales down?

00:59:16.320 Yes. Prices are down? Yes. Across the board.

00:59:20.500 But it's a slow season.

00:59:23.040 The spring season ended probably in the middle of June.

00:59:26.180 In Calgary, I looked at the numbers today.

00:59:28.920 They're down from June, but they're up year over year.

00:59:32.940 And that's very important.

00:59:33.980 People should not be comparing going from year over year.

00:59:38.480 What was it last year? What was it last month?

00:59:41.180 because that's where you see the trend coming in.

00:59:46.240 Calgary, I think, from what I can be told,

00:59:49.800 and Edmonton, Regina, Manitoba will,

00:59:54.680 I guess that's a province, Winnipeg,

00:59:56.940 are not going to be hit as hard.

00:59:59.500 They will probably come through this a lot cleaner.

01:00:02.480 And when I say through this,

01:00:03.540 we don't know exactly what it's going to look like.

01:00:06.000 We got a pretty good idea.

01:00:06.940 It sounds like we got more interest rate hikes coming down.

01:00:09.280 Oh, definitely.

01:00:09.500 The Bank of Canada wants their rate to be at least 3.25% by October.

01:00:18.420 The next rate announcement is in September, on the 7th of September, and then there's

01:00:23.320 two more after that.

01:00:24.900 So in order to get it to 3.25% from where it is now, they have to raise the 75 basis

01:00:29.740 points.

01:00:30.840 They'll either do it all at once in September and then rest and see how things are going,

01:00:35.420 or they'll do it incrementally in the last three announcements.

01:00:40.120 And those rises, I mean, they can have a very significant impact

01:00:43.300 depending on how much balance you're carrying on your mortgage if you renew.

01:00:46.180 I mean, I know we just renewed recently, not extremely, but barely,

01:00:50.100 and it still hit us with a basically we're up for a few hundred bucks a month,

01:00:53.180 but we're lucky at least for the next five years we're in an affordable spot.

01:00:56.600 But if we had to renew by December, that could be a terrible hit.

01:00:59.580 Yeah, you know, and again, it comes down to more than just housing

01:01:03.720 and people buying and selling it it's i mean we're headed into a recession there's no no question

01:01:08.440 about that i think we're in one now the big argument in the united states about how you

01:01:13.160 define that but we are in one um how deep and severe that will be i don't know uh nothing like

01:01:20.760 2008 i don't believe um so it comes down to employment uh if if a lot of people lose their

01:01:29.480 jobs because of the recession then their mortgage mortgages are in jeopardy well then we see defaults

01:01:35.720 and that's a whole and you'll see defaults you're going to see some defaults anyway but again it's

01:01:41.640 nobody wants that to happen but it's only natural i mean the housing market in canada

01:01:47.880 all of markets in canada were so hot so and so rapid it had to come down at some point in time

01:01:54.520 Yeah, well, and I see it just from a question. I mean, it all ties together anyways, and Pamela

01:01:59.960 Jones-Kenny asking for you, just saying, what happens to all the outrageous rent that's being

01:02:03.720 charged to a lot of renters in BC? I know my daughter's got to go back to university this

01:02:07.560 fall in Vancouver, and she's having a hell, she can't find a spot, much less afford one. So,

01:02:13.800 you know, would it trickle down at least to give some relief there?

01:02:16.040 I just about said a really stupid thing. I was going to say that's the government's problem,

01:02:19.560 but it's not uh the it's a supply issue and the rents rents are going to go up uh anyway because

01:02:28.120 you're gonna we've got half a million people moving to canada every year most of them to

01:02:32.440 toronto and vancouver we'll get some here uh and they've got to have some places to live

01:02:38.440 so it comes down to supply the government should get out of it they come up with all these programs

01:02:45.240 that are nothing more than bureaucratic nightmares.

01:02:48.620 You spend more money hiring bureaucrats

01:02:51.140 than they do in building apartments.

01:02:53.540 They need to go sit down

01:02:54.720 with the Canadian Home Builders Association

01:02:56.140 or just travel around to each city

01:02:58.320 and say, look, to the builders,

01:02:59.860 look, here's $100 million,

01:03:01.260 which to the government is nothing.

01:03:02.640 Here's $100 million, go build some apartments.

01:03:05.920 Or just even get out of the damn way.

01:03:08.100 I've had Shane Wenzel on a couple of times

01:03:10.420 and he's good and he's outspoken.

01:03:12.640 And I mean, the ridiculousness in Calgary

01:03:14.900 is far from alone with it it's eight years from from proposal to construction on an area and and

01:03:21.380 uh i mean the investment in long-term thinking involved that's assuming you get approved you

01:03:25.860 could get stopped any step along the way with a new development nobody wants to invest and uh or

01:03:30.820 at least you know they're investing because they have to but it's reducing the the pool and meanwhile

01:03:34.420 i i look at discussions online though i mean city hall the hipsters and everybody's still screaming

01:03:38.020 no more development no more development you know they're only gonna make it worse that's that's

01:03:41.860 like being part of a clique let's run around and be stupid but the clique is running the city that's

01:03:46.660 the problem that is true yeah and but the the other thing i mean in terms of the type of housing that's

01:03:53.700 required which is multi-family uh apartments not not the towers they're talking about downtown

01:03:59.380 calorie that doesn't work uh one of the things that gets in the way is the the money from the

01:04:06.420 the banks, because a builder has to sell, I think, 50% of the building before the bank will say,

01:04:14.200 here's your money, go build it. So that takes a while. But if the government,

01:04:19.580 instead of coming up with these horses' ass programs that they do, just took the cash and

01:04:25.200 said, here, here, Shane Wenzel, go build some apartments. Shane would be out there building

01:04:29.800 them right now. Hopefully the dirt be moving the week afterwards. And it would put some people to

01:04:33.620 work and take some inflationary pressure off so exactly i mean i don't want to see government

01:04:37.040 throwing money out that's a separate discussion but it'd be better than what they're wasting it

01:04:40.060 on i mean 87 billion dollar climate plan in calgary which is never i mean is that's that's

01:04:44.660 just virtue in the sky crap but they'll they'll spend a lot of money trying of course well they

01:04:49.200 already have yeah you know um but the you said the government throwing money away i agree with that

01:04:58.800 But if the government gave them money and got out of their way in terms of development permits and crap like that, it's not thrown it away.

01:05:08.040 It's providing cheap accommodations for people in B.C. and well across the country and places where it's needed because you can target it.

01:05:17.720 And supply is still an issue, big time issue all across the country, regardless of the fact that sales are going to slow down and demand is going to weaken.

01:05:27.100 and supply is still a major, major problem.

01:05:31.120 Yeah, so, I mean, it's not something that changes quickly.

01:05:34.160 I mean, even if suddenly the government woke up,

01:05:36.560 cut a bunch of the red tape out of the way,

01:05:37.900 and, yeah, threw some money out,

01:05:39.280 you're looking at a year before these new places are habitable.

01:05:45.320 I don't know.

01:05:46.140 I think they could be fast-tracked.

01:05:49.140 I don't know the exact building cycle.

01:05:53.540 I mean, the problem you're going to have there a bit more than anything else

01:05:55.800 is the labor to build them.

01:05:56.880 Yeah, that's what I mean, just because you have the money and the space, but you've got to find some skilled help.

01:06:01.620 I mean, I remember also during the boom, you know, back in the early 2000s and some of the quote unquote contractors

01:06:08.620 and the amount of people who bought new houses and were realizing my pipes already leak or my place is, you know, the electric's on fire.

01:06:15.080 We just got a lot of challenges all at once hitting right now.

01:06:17.320 Yeah, we do. We do. It's almost like going down the rabbit hole to see if Alice in Wonderland is still kicking around.

01:06:25.660 Yeah, well, and as you said,

01:06:26.680 we're probably already there

01:06:27.900 and it's kind of undeniable.

01:06:29.060 We're moving into the R word.

01:06:30.480 A recession is coming.

01:06:33.120 I mean, the advice,

01:06:34.660 I guess we could give most people

01:06:35.820 is just batting the hatch

01:06:36.920 is try to reduce your debt load,

01:06:38.660 but don't panic and sell.

01:06:40.100 Yeah, the worst thing that can happen

01:06:41.800 is do a panic sale.

01:06:45.180 One thing that people should not try to do

01:06:47.360 is forecast what the price is going to be

01:06:49.600 two or three months from now.

01:06:51.520 That's just wrong to do that.

01:06:52.840 uh the last two years it was easy because everybody it just did this it's gonna it's

01:06:59.500 doing this but not like that it's like this you know and if it stays that way we'll be fine

01:07:05.060 ride it out a few years later it'll come back but once again if you start seeing a ton of for sale

01:07:11.780 signs in the city uh we got a big problem coming up uh i got a feeling we got a few years of

01:07:17.540 insanity i mean you can't it's unavoidable to point out i mean definitely the pandemic has

01:07:21.820 a lot to do with this. It's just messed up markets in every sort of way. I mean, was it two years

01:07:26.460 ago down in Prentice where I live? I was watching the odd neighbors, they throw a for sale sign out

01:07:30.440 front, and the place was gone in a day. And they were getting people bidding wars to get into these

01:07:36.700 houses. And again, I mean, that's just not a healthy market either. I mean, that's a super

01:07:43.040 No, but again, that's the Bank of Canada's fault, if there is a fault. By putting that

01:07:51.720 interest rate down to 0.25%, that just started a fire. You're paying a mortgage of 1.8%.

01:08:00.700 That's unheard of, really, on a fixed rate. And so people just went, okay, let's go. Get

01:08:08.720 done well i don't know what else do you think we got to look forward to before i let you

01:08:15.040 labor day labor day i don't know i think next monday's a holiday it is it is supposed to have

01:08:21.440 some nice weather and such it's supposed to be hot this week um i don't know in terms of housing i

01:08:26.720 think that's about it i mean it's really it's hard to to nail it down so to speak because it's still

01:08:34.400 kind of developing um i think we'll know have a better sense for things by the time august is

01:08:42.640 over that'll be i think a much more clearer picture of what's going on i mean a lot of

01:08:47.280 people right now have just said to hell with it and they're on vacation and it's like the

01:08:51.840 heck with it i'll deal with it when i get home exactly it's been such a rotten couple of years

01:08:55.920 yeah but and but you know that's a good thing to get going uh get out have some fun enjoy your

01:09:00.640 family. You'll see the people that you haven't been able to see for a while and just forget

01:09:05.500 everything. Because number one, if you dwell on it forever, it just gets worse. Yeah, well,

01:09:12.000 we can lighten up now and then. That's part of the problem I have on this show. I'm always,

01:09:14.820 you know, ranting, raving, angry, but that's what it's all about. But I mean, yeah, I see what you

01:09:18.220 wrote about the Brad Pitt and some other stuff in a story a little while ago too. It doesn't always

01:09:23.340 have to be real estate and dry stuff, I guess. Well, no, no. And I don't focus just on that.

01:09:27.900 i've got a couple things in the works i got a really good one that you're going to like

01:09:31.260 um company down in the states did a survey media survey rasmussen reports and they went to the big

01:09:39.340 media outlets and asked the reporters and the editors what they thought were the major issues

01:09:44.380 that they should be reporting and then they went out and talked to the people on the street

01:09:50.140 and said what are you what issues do you have that are most important the two lists are entirely

01:09:54.780 different entirely different it's not very surprising no it isn't but um it's an indictment

01:10:02.620 i think of the mainstream media the legacy media that without doing any homework they just decide

01:10:08.060 in the editorial meetings oh no it's all about covet and then the people go no no no it's

01:10:13.820 inflation um so they and so the media legacy media wonders why everybody's turning them off

01:10:21.500 because they're not, they're not reporting and what people care about.

01:10:25.820 Well, that's what I keep, I've been pointing out a lot lately when it comes to climate

01:10:29.100 change or COVID or all of these other things that may or may not be real threats, fine.

01:10:32.620 But when a person can't make the bills, none of that crap matters. If you can't pay the mortgage,

01:10:37.340 you can't put food on the table, you can't get to work with your vehicle. You don't care if the

01:10:42.860 temperature might go up a degree in 50 years, or if there's a disease going around that's killing

01:10:48.540 one in a hundred thousand people you've got more immediate concerns oh yeah it's the kitchen table

01:10:52.640 issues you know people don't sit down at dinner and say geez i wonder if her covid's coming back

01:10:57.580 they're going how are we going to pay the mortgage this month that's the concern obviously the other

01:11:02.740 one i'm going to tackle and this will probably get me in trouble is the climate change thing

01:11:07.500 um i found some really good stuff that you'll also enjoy about from the way back in the beginning

01:11:14.060 when they started first talking about this back in the middle 70s, 80s,

01:11:19.900 using exactly the same phrasing that they're using now,

01:11:23.600 except by 1980, the world would be just burning up, all gone.

01:11:27.980 Oh, there's only so much, you know, apocalyptic copy out there.

01:11:31.220 I mean, you just cut and paste, change the dates, and whatever the cost is.

01:11:34.140 That's exactly what they do.

01:11:35.600 And, I mean, it never stops.

01:11:37.340 I just remember, you know, I was a voracious reader in a used bookstore,

01:11:40.760 And I pulled out just randomly and bought this old used book back in the 90s.

01:11:45.320 And that was the population time bomb.

01:11:47.560 All the way back from, I think that came out in the late 60s.

01:11:50.080 And that was the prediction that, oh, we're all going to die because we're going to overpopulate.

01:11:55.820 It's the same thing they're using now.

01:11:58.120 It's just there's always something.

01:11:59.280 There's always an apocalypse around the corner.

01:12:01.340 There's always a boogeyman that we've got to be afraid of.

01:12:03.880 It gets exhausting.

01:12:04.880 Well, it's exhausting, but it's also, it's unfortunate because people buy into it.

01:12:09.500 You know, and you got one or two percent of the people in the world who are promoting all this apocalyptic stuff and the woke people that everybody's catering to.

01:12:21.860 And there's like 98 percent of the people out there who are kind of like, huh?

01:12:26.300 But so why are we?

01:12:28.460 I think just pay them no mind.

01:12:30.900 Yeah, go away.

01:12:32.140 Well, I think that's starting to happen.

01:12:33.260 Yeah.

01:12:33.540 I mean, we're looking at the ratings for conventional media outlets, and unfortunately, the government response is to try and bail them out.

01:12:39.600 But instead, as you said, they should be listening to what people want to hear and providing it.

01:12:46.500 There you go.

01:12:47.420 Well, lots to look forward to.

01:12:48.760 I am looking forward to that one.

01:12:50.260 And also, I mean, I just enjoy, you know, putting up those pictures.

01:12:53.460 You'd be Brad Pitt wearing a skirt.

01:12:55.620 Come on.

01:12:56.240 Well.

01:12:56.520 That's news.

01:12:57.680 I noticed that the picture had Jolie next to it, too.

01:13:01.260 So, I mean, there's eye candy for both sides, even if she might be crazy.

01:13:04.920 I'm sure she has a lot of other assets that would have been admirable.

01:13:08.380 Oh, yeah.

01:13:09.100 Yeah, I think so.

01:13:10.460 All right.

01:13:11.020 Well, thanks for coming in to talk to me today, Mike.

01:13:13.080 It was good to see you.

01:13:13.840 Always enjoyable.

01:13:15.180 We will chat again, I'm sure, soon.

01:13:17.120 Okay, great.

01:13:17.860 All right.

01:13:18.300 Thanks.

01:13:18.480 So that was the Western Standards.

01:13:20.600 Mike Thomas, as we see, covers a broad range of issues from the pits to real estate, of course.

01:13:27.120 There's been a lot of his specialty and things that he covers.

01:13:29.200 And we're seeing a lot of things in the news and see there, as we get the terminology correct,

01:13:33.520 because it's right, you know, bubble makes you fearful of this giant pop.

01:13:36.460 I mean, let's talk about a correction.

01:13:38.040 Let's not panic because that's how we actually take a problematic situation and turn it into

01:13:43.800 a really bad one.

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01:15:00.840 Rogers. This professor may have a lot of evidence, but didn't mention the pure savagery, the idea to

01:15:06.500 begin with, you know, and probably some slithering old missionary or something and stuff. And then

01:15:14.040 you go into the Jewish aspect, which is completely irrelevant. But I mean, there's a valid question.

01:15:18.800 the whole residential school concept to begin with.

01:15:22.900 But, you know, as we dig in

01:15:24.380 and as I've studied and learned on this,

01:15:26.380 there was a lot of bad ideas.

01:15:27.940 And there was no doubt there was some people

01:15:29.060 who wanted to use them to actually outright assimilate,

01:15:31.660 you know, as they say,

01:15:32.200 take the Indian out of the child, things like that.

01:15:34.580 But a lot of it also was,

01:15:35.860 that was the only form of social service available back then.

01:15:40.480 I talked about that the other day.

01:15:41.600 We didn't have hospitals.

01:15:42.800 We didn't have orphanages.

01:15:44.620 We didn't have public schools.

01:15:45.880 This was all run by the church back then,

01:15:47.640 not by some crazy conspiracy. That's just the way our nation worked at that time.

01:15:52.120 I mean, the West was a frontier. That's why all these schools are in the western side of Canada.

01:15:55.540 They weren't in the East. And the First Nations people, and again, absolutely, there were some

01:16:00.020 bad things happened. And there was a bad transition going on. Their land had been, you know, the days

01:16:05.680 of nomadic, you know, type of lifestyles of hunting, gathering, they were gone. And they

01:16:11.940 couldn't just freely wander and live off the land as they used to. But they didn't know how to live

01:16:17.180 when they're packed into a spot and how could they?

01:16:19.380 So there was starvation, there was disease,

01:16:21.160 they were suffering a lot.

01:16:22.420 And yes, the addition of alcohol

01:16:24.420 really screwed with a whole lot of them.

01:16:25.980 And a lot of unprincipled whiskey traders

01:16:28.080 were pouring that into them.

01:16:29.620 But it also led to a lot of children at risk then

01:16:31.540 when you've got a household that's that unstable,

01:16:33.740 that's that poor, that's that loaded with other abuses.

01:16:36.980 Unfortunately, a lot of these things are similar today,

01:16:39.440 but we've just advanced, gotten better with the drugs

01:16:41.260 that we're killing people with.

01:16:43.220 But they brought the kids to those schools

01:16:45.080 often to get them out of those situations.

01:16:47.180 The other thing too, and I've said it before,

01:16:49.600 go out and read the treaties, go out and read them.

01:16:51.200 You can find them online.

01:16:52.040 I've got them on my own blog.

01:16:53.240 You can read them verbatim.

01:16:54.200 They aren't long documents.

01:16:56.220 And almost every treaty, one of the clauses,

01:16:59.220 because mostly they were simple documents.

01:17:00.680 They were mostly focused on what the boundaries

01:17:02.980 of the reserve would be and where the land was and such.

01:17:06.060 But obligations, education was almost always in there

01:17:10.300 because the chiefs and the leaders signing those

01:17:13.060 did realize that right now they've got young,

01:17:16.600 illiterate populations that are stuck with one foot in the traditional world with a modern world

01:17:21.860 facing them outside. They were not adjusting well and they were hoping, I don't think they were

01:17:26.240 hoping for assimilation, but they're hoping to get these kids educated so they could be functional

01:17:30.860 and prosper and do well down the road. The obligation was asked for for these schools,

01:17:35.980 not for abuse, not for beatings. I'm not saying they're asked for that, but the education they

01:17:39.820 wanted and the way to do it, the reserves, the people were living spread out. Residential schools

01:17:44.420 were the way to pull them together into one spot in order to do that. You couldn't set up little

01:17:47.800 schools everywhere, at least not yet. And later on, the residential schools began to be less and

01:17:52.220 less. And that's part of what Mr. Rubenstein talked about as well. There was 150,000 students

01:17:56.500 attended. That's it, over 100 years. Think about that, 1,500 students a year if you put it together

01:18:00.480 kind of thing. Most of the students attended day schools. And it's not to say there was zero abuse

01:18:05.560 even in day schools. But we got to get to the facts of what really happened because we got a lot

01:18:09.480 of mythology happening. And as I said, I watched the CBC coverage of the Pope's Visit and they

01:18:13.180 Keep talking about these survivors, survivors.

01:18:15.160 I've seen 30-year-old survivors.

01:18:17.380 Come on, guys.

01:18:18.940 Just because you attended a public school doesn't make you a survivor,

01:18:20.940 but now they're making it intergenerational.

01:18:23.400 Let's see what happened and fix it.

01:18:27.860 And, yes, much of that comes down to investigating on now with this thing

01:18:32.320 because that's what spurred a lot of this,

01:18:33.580 this finding of anomalies in GPS, GPR, I should say,

01:18:39.640 ground penetrating radar in the Kamloops school and in other areas, but there's no

01:18:46.940 missing children. Where did they go? Why would, just in Kamloops alone with apparently 200,

01:18:55.600 were there not 200 families seeking them? Maybe they were, but what happened then? How did that

01:19:01.700 happen? And we've got to exhume, we've got to follow up, we've got to see what's going on,

01:19:06.040 But instead, we just got apologies and we get people who get upset anytime the discussion comes up.

01:19:10.820 You should not.

01:19:11.520 Nobody on any side of this issue should want to avoid digging in further, figuratively and literally.

01:19:18.960 And we got to exhume these grave sites, if they are grave sites, and then find out why they're in there.

01:19:26.100 And my back gets up when they try to shut down the discussion, when we say we shouldn't even talk about it.

01:19:33.020 Well, then what are you trying to hide?

01:19:34.800 Don't we want to get to the truth?

01:19:36.500 That was always the thing about the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

01:19:39.640 Well, we need the truth part.

01:19:41.500 But they're all fixated on the reconciliation.

01:19:43.780 But again, there's a lot of people making a lot of money out of this.

01:19:48.340 And we're not talking about the individuals who get the settlement money.

01:19:49.980 I'm talking about those parasitic lawyers and bureaucrats and activists

01:19:53.380 who are the head of the line on this.

01:19:55.180 They're slurping on the gravy train.

01:19:56.780 And they want this to be as scandalous as possible, as long as possible.

01:20:00.200 They have very much a vested interest in keeping this issue as heated and emotional as is possible.

01:20:07.000 I'm getting tired of it.

01:20:08.160 It's getting worse and worse.

01:20:09.300 And that's why I keep going to these guests, because we've got to counter it.

01:20:13.140 And again, you know, people call us deniers and things like that.

01:20:18.860 No, we're not denying that something happened.

01:20:20.900 We just want to see exactly what happened.

01:20:23.080 That's the thing.

01:20:25.340 Let's see.

01:20:26.620 Tired of this discussion.

01:20:27.620 We've heard about it all our lives.

01:20:28.600 I know, but it's still going on.

01:20:31.520 So we still, every time, I mean, you see what we've seen now with the Pope's visit,

01:20:36.920 just reignited the fires and the demands for more and more settlements

01:20:41.200 and more apologies and more things.

01:20:43.920 You're tearing off a band-aid and not allowing a wound to heal.

01:20:47.580 So we can't, even if we're tired of the discussion,

01:20:49.700 doesn't mean we can stop having it.

01:20:51.160 We have to, as tiresome as it might be.

01:20:53.960 Shirley saying, we're looking at the history 100 years ago through the lens of today.

01:20:57.280 and that's another aspect of it. We got to quit holding people to the moral standards of today

01:21:02.520 that we did 100 years ago. And I mean, some of that, you know, it's funny, I had a discussion

01:21:07.480 with my daughter about that a little while back. How far do you go with a historical figure to

01:21:11.620 cancel them, even if they did a bunch of good things, but they held some odious views on the

01:21:16.000 side? At what point? Where's that tipping point? You know, Sir John A. Macdonald, I mean, that's

01:21:21.280 the one we're trying to erase these days, right? He's the founder of the country. He was an

01:21:25.120 alcoholic. Sounds like he might have been a bit corrupt when it came to the railroad deals. But

01:21:29.600 still, he was the country's founder. He did a lot of things, got a lot of things pushed through.

01:21:32.800 But he was also one of the founders of residential schools. The residential schools were considered

01:21:38.160 the nice thing to do at that time. They were. If anything, it was progressive people pushing

01:21:43.640 these things as far as progressive goes in that period. So do you cancel everything good that he

01:21:49.380 and others did at that time because they supported something else at that time? Let's not forget

01:21:53.380 Tommy Douglas supported eugenics. Yeah, he wanted to sterilize

01:21:56.640 mentally handicapped people. But people on the left, at least

01:22:00.240 are willing to overlook that when they embrace the fact that he

01:22:02.700 brought about universal health care, which I got a feeling

01:22:04.300 wasn't necessarily this success that it was as well. You got to

01:22:09.580 have the conversations. And that's what we're here for. That's

01:22:11.880 what this show is about. And digging in and finding out the

01:22:18.260 truth. Jaime gets in there and he's doing that and he's putting

01:22:21.720 those items out there, as is Brian Geisbrecht and Clifton and Tom Flanagan was another one I had on.

01:22:31.080 There's another thing too, say, you know, you're just bitching about the price. I'm not.

01:22:35.300 Flanagan pointed out really well, Professor Flanagan, when I had him.

01:22:38.620 And I agree. If we saw outcome from all this spending, because we are spending billions and

01:22:43.400 billions on the First Nations and people keep saying we underfunded, wait a minute, no, this

01:22:46.640 is billions and billions on top of every other service that every other Canadian gets.

01:22:51.720 I would be okay with it if it worked.

01:22:54.740 If they were living okay, if there was good social structures,

01:22:57.940 if they weren't living with malnutrition, high crime, poor education, poor health issues,

01:23:03.780 unclean drinking water, how much are we going to keep throwing money at this

01:23:08.360 when it's obviously not working?

01:23:09.920 If it worked, I'd be a little more comfortable with it.

01:23:13.540 But it's not.

01:23:14.040 They're not living happily.

01:23:15.660 For the most part, the people on those reserves, they're in misery.

01:23:18.520 They're suffering.

01:23:19.880 And I do want to see that change.

01:23:21.720 And I see that just tossing more money at it isn't going to fix it.

01:23:26.200 You've got to look further.

01:23:27.160 And part of it, too, is this culture of victimhood, this culture.

01:23:30.060 Now, when we're saying it's multi-generational, we're telling young, up-and-growing First Nations kids that you are victims.

01:23:37.440 They're saying that the residential school policies of 100 and some years ago are impacting you today.

01:23:42.300 And we're going to keep apologizing, apologizing, apologizing.

01:23:44.740 and you're creating somebody with a dysfunctional view of the world that has a really hard time

01:23:49.760 settling in and going out there. And we see that in the streets every day too,

01:23:54.420 when you see the addicts and homeless people downtown, and you see that in Calgary anyways,

01:23:59.160 I'd say 80% of them, if not more, are First Nations people. This is not serving them well

01:24:04.020 at all. They're suffering. And again, we can't ease suffering by denying discussion on what

01:24:10.280 really happened. That's what we seem to be doing. So that's why I keep going on, even if we're tired

01:24:17.180 of talking about it. You know, Sarah's saying they have money for clean drinking water. I know.

01:24:22.960 And something's gone wrong. And that's where we've got to look at it, right? This is systematic.

01:24:27.920 We've got a problem. You were given the money and it didn't get to where it was supposed to.

01:24:33.340 So it's not working. So let's change it. We're not allowed to discuss that. We're only allowed

01:24:39.160 to discuss spending more money. And that's not a productive discussion. It's not helping anybody.

01:24:46.740 Let's see, we're also going to hit a couple. Yeah, Dave talked about that, the back and forth with

01:24:52.100 our governor general, speaking of government screwing you and unaccountability. So she tried

01:24:56.040 to lay all the blame for her, you know, 80 some thousand dollar meals for her and her entourage

01:25:01.700 as she flew to Europe that we got to pay for. She blamed it on the Air Force and the Air Force is

01:25:06.400 saying, hey, stuff it up your butt, Mary Simon. This was on you. And you're the one giving these

01:25:13.000 meals to your buddy. So you know what? Both of them pointing their fingers at each other. Again,

01:25:17.120 I say cut her budget to the bone. Give them a bunch of happy meals the next time they want to

01:25:21.400 fly somewhere. She's making enough money. Otherwise, if she wants to feed her friends caviar,

01:25:25.820 she can take it out of her own very fat wallet. There else do we got? Yeah, Harper endorsed

01:25:34.420 Paul Yev, that could be a game changer in a lot of ways. He holds a lot of sway and influence

01:25:39.860 in the conservative circles of Canada, that's for sure. And he has a lot of respect.

01:25:44.320 So, you know, it's going to be hard to keep Paul Yev from winning this leadership.

01:25:49.920 And this makes it all the harder, I think, for Sheree to try and get up and make that

01:25:54.960 distance. So we'll see what happens. Let's see, the EU, they're still dealing with an energy

01:26:03.460 crisis. Yes, you know, reality is coming into play with them, where they went into green investments

01:26:09.560 and backfired on them. And now they're beholden to Russia. And it's funny, I don't like, I'm not

01:26:14.760 a big Trump fan, never have been. But, you know, I don't think everything he does is bad. I'm not

01:26:19.420 one of those obsessed that go crazy. And I mean, just the mere mention of his name drives and makes

01:26:23.280 their hair pop out and they lose their crap. I'll admit it doesn't matter whether I like a person or

01:26:27.200 not when they're right. And there was a great before and afterwards, because I think it was

01:26:30.720 2018, I believe, but there was at some UN thing and Trump was warning Germany, saying to them,

01:26:37.120 you guys are getting way too dependent on Russian gas and it's going to bite you in the butt.

01:26:42.360 And they rolled their eyes at him. Look how they're sitting now. So again, he might've been

01:26:48.000 wrong about many, many things, but he hit that nail on the head. He saw it coming and we should

01:26:52.860 see it coming here too, guys. We're not dependent on Russian energy, but if we keep shutting in our

01:26:56.680 own resources idiotically for windmills that don't make enough power, we're going to have an energy

01:27:00.800 crisis or even a bigger one. All right. Well, that's enough rant. And today we covered a lot

01:27:06.400 there. Let's see. Tomorrow I have Ian Miller on. He's not the show jumper. He has actually written

01:27:13.000 a book on, where is his book here? A book on masking anyways. And he's been quite an authority

01:27:20.180 on that in the United States. And it sounds like we got people pushing again to bring in mask

01:27:24.360 mandates. It's not done. It's never done. It seems, uh, the book is called the global failure

01:27:29.280 of COVID mask mandates. And we're going to have some discussions about this trend to bring back

01:27:33.380 the lockdowns, bring back the masks and whether they're going to do us any good whatsoever.

01:27:37.140 They get another guest on as well. And of course I'll have a fresh new rant and lots of new stories

01:27:41.460 to cover and talk about. So thanks for joining me today, guys. I appreciate it. And I'll see you

01:27:46.060 all again tomorrow at 11 30 AM.

01:27:54.360 Thank you.

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