00:09:55.420Some interesting comments today, Corey, about demanding the RCMP reopen the investigation into the Prime Minister's visit to the Auga Khan in 2016.
00:10:07.160and he says if the RCMP don't want to lay charges,
00:10:11.280they'll bring the OPP in to see what they have to say about it.
00:10:15.480You thought we were in for a bad weather day today, Corey,
00:10:18.680while the people in Manitoba, northwestern Ontario,
00:11:01.280and hopefully the snow is all gone from my car when I get out there.
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00:13:09.160again, get clear unfettered news in there. So yeah, speaking of that weather, I mean,
00:13:14.380I guess it could be much worse. Manitoba has been getting the flooding. They always have,
00:13:18.780you know, the area is known for it. I know we'll have our usual climate alarmists saying,
00:13:22.500oh, if we just got rid of natural gas heating, it would stop flooding in Manitoba. It's flooded
00:13:28.640in the Red River Valley for the last, I don't know, 10,000 years or so. We certainly don't
00:13:33.380want to exacerbate it, but I'm not trying to understate the pressure and suffering a lot
00:13:39.740of people are dealing with out in Manitoba and Ontario right now. But for now, let's just deal
00:13:45.740with the more immediate pressing emergency they have to deal with and not worry so much about
00:13:48.960some of the more broader discussions on why these things happen. One thing I guess I'll talk about
00:13:55.940with cold weather, a news story I saw, is it's good for keeping some of the nasty, creepy,
00:14:02.780crawly things away. So this is a story that popped up, and of course, I was just mortified.
00:14:07.260The Joro spider apparently has been spreading up towards us. You can see that big yellow,
00:14:12.080black, and red thing. It hitches rides on cars and trucks, and they expect it will make its way
00:14:18.060up into Canada soon. This is an invasive species and I can imagine why. So this again reminds you
00:14:27.000as to why having access to firearms is still a good thing because I don't know if a can of raid
00:14:32.520would deal with one of those big nasty ugly things. So I just thought I'd pass that along
00:14:37.080at least because it does say the one thing that they think might keep it from lasting in Canada
00:14:41.060is that they can't overwinter very well. So maybe these spring snowstorms at least for what misery
00:14:46.760they cause us. We'll keep the Joro spiders from coming in and setting up shop up here,1.00
00:14:52.420because I think I'll be just fine if we live without these things. Let's see. Speaking of1.00
00:14:57.880bad reporting, let's talk about the Washington Post. This one was a beauty that jumped out at
00:15:02.240me this morning. Yes, they've got a study that is determined that finding healthy lifestyles may
00:15:10.420improve life expectancy. No, really? You figured that out. And it was worth a headline at that.
00:15:19.460Living healthy makes you live longer. This is where the mainstream media is today, guys. I mean,
00:15:25.480if you really want the easy money, I don't know, you got to be one of those researchers to get
00:15:28.460a commission or however it works to do that sort of study. Wow, you know, if you eat good foods
00:15:34.580and you exercise and you don't do unhealthy things, you can probably live longer. And where
00:15:40.360would we be without the Washington Post to remind us of all of that in case we'd forgotten at some
00:15:47.900point? So yeah, the headlines are just, they always keep my vein pulsing in the mornings when
00:15:54.840we get things going. So again, you know, hey, I report on casual things and so on. We have all
00:15:59.820sorts of stuff. And, you know, I talked about the observance of missing socks, but that's part of
00:16:05.960the fun for the show. We're not going to spend money studying things such as why is water wet
00:16:09.900or why does the sun rise in the east, nor would we have to study why living a healthy lifestyle
00:16:15.300might make you live longer. Who was it? Shannon asking the name of that spider. It's called the
00:16:20.540Joro spider, J-O-R-O. And yeah, I guess they've been coming up for quite some time. They're very
00:16:27.260large. There's not much to scale that thing on there with that, but they're big hideous things.
00:16:32.060And I'm not big on spiders. You know, one of the things I love Texas. I really do. I spent a lot
00:16:36.800of time working down there. I miss it. I'm hoping we get to the point where I'll start snowboarding
00:16:40.500and spending my winters down there, getting out of that with Gene. But one thing that always got
00:16:46.840me down there was those massive spiders and they come in outbreaks. They have these things they
00:16:49.840call banana spiders, great big huge ghibli things. Ah, they would just kill me when I'd be out there
00:16:54.660riding the quad and then they'd be crawling up your arm and freak you out. They weren't prone
00:16:58.380to biting, but they'd give you the heebie-jeebies for the entire day. Either way, let's hope that
00:17:03.080again, whatever we're getting out of this wet snow and misery, we start preventing some of those
00:17:07.960wretched, wretched spiders from coming up this way. Let's see what else we got. You know,0.85
00:17:13.380that was interesting out of Dave for this story. So we got that on the website. And with Patrick
00:17:18.260Brown, you know, so as I've commented before, and we streamed the entire leadership debate,
00:17:23.240by the way, that's all available on our Rumble channel and full if you didn't get the chance
00:17:27.740to catch it. It was kind of, I mean, it was very heated. I mean, they were, they were on each
00:17:32.760other's cases, a lot of shots fired back and forth. And there's some truth to it, that that0.96
00:17:36.500does sour some people on politics. When you see politicians behaving like that, when it's that
00:17:42.240vitriolic. But I don't know about Brown's strategy though. Maybe, I mean, at least I've seen some
00:17:48.460indication of what it might be, is that he thinks that Canadians over the course of the race will
00:17:53.720become so soured over the whole leadership race in general, that they'll go to him by default.
00:17:59.300Because aside from that, he's been invisible. He won't talk to media. You know, he sends out
00:18:04.280releases, things like this. But we haven't seen much of him anywhere. He's, he doesn't attend
00:18:10.760debates. I mean, whether you like them or not, people tend to look at those as an example then
00:18:15.720of where their leaders might take them. And I mean, Brown could have come in and been like
00:18:21.860Atchison, Scott Atchison as MP was actually very calm and controlled and was a voice of reason in
00:18:27.560that debate. So was Babber. So I don't know if standing outside and throwing rocks back at the
00:18:34.480participants of the debate is a good strategy on the part of Brown, but at least I've seen some
00:18:38.380indications of what this strategy is, because again, it's been kind of bizarre. You're running
00:18:43.320for something where you need popular votes and you're not getting out there. I mean, I hate to
00:18:47.740say it, Mr. Brown, but aside from political wieners like me, most of the people in the West have
00:18:52.340absolutely no idea who you are. And you need votes all across with that weighted system with
00:18:58.040the Conservative Party of Canada leadership race, you need to win ridings all across the country in
00:19:02.480order to pull it off. So I don't know what this tactic of trying to keep a low profile is going
00:19:09.300to pay off in the long run. But we'll see. I mean, some people have also, when I was criticizing him
00:19:13.360before. They said he's quite an organizational powerhouse. So I guess time will tell. It is
00:19:18.480going to be a terribly long race. And I know some people are going to be sick of it by September0.64
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00:20:49.640And I'd seen a recent release he'd put out there. He's a retired paramedic. And he's been working
00:20:55.480on addressing the issue. Hi there, Brian. Can you hear me all right there?
00:20:58.680so good morning cory good morning glad you could join us today i've been looking forward to this
00:21:07.780uh it's as i kind of said the introduction of the show uh it's hitting the headlines today in
00:21:12.080calgary uh ambulances hit another crisis level firefighters are waiting for hours for ambulance
00:21:17.720service um things are getting really really dangerous out there with this shortage of uh
00:21:23.540ems coverage right now and you've been working i guess to address that uh in cochran
00:21:27.800Yes, Corey. I'm a retired paramedic at times over 30 years. And last August, there was a public meeting held at the Cochrane Legion, organized by another retired paramedic, just to let the citizens of Cochrane know that there's issues with the current ambulance system run by the province.
00:21:52.520We had about 80 people in attendance. And from that 80 people, we have formed a Cochrane EMS Citizen Action Group. We have 14 members where we meet Corey twice a month. We have an agenda. We develop terms of reference.
00:22:12.620And what we're trying to do, Corey, is just let the citizens know that there are issues.
00:22:21.260And we had an open house or we had a booth at the annual Chamber of Commerce trade show this weekend.
00:22:30.140And we had 268 people sign a petition.
00:22:35.660uh currently before the trade show we had about 2 300 names uh that members of our group have
00:22:44.200gone door to door uh and now we've got uh roughly uh about 2 350 3 360 signatures uh and uh we're
00:22:55.840meeting with our mla uh peter gunthry um next tuesday evening uh to present the petition to
00:23:02.520him and he's agreed to take it to the health minister and basically uh we as a action group
00:23:09.000corey figured that there are three simple ways that we can actually fix the system
00:23:15.800number one is that our emergency crews are doing non-emergency transfers uh into calgary
00:23:23.160which is taking our current unit into the calgary system and once they get in there corey they're
00:23:28.840waiting in the hospital for four five six hours uh our another crew is doing another transfer
00:23:36.440and then we're left with no units protecting cochrane so when someone calls for a medical
00:23:43.000emergency the units could be coming from anywhere in southern alberta they could be coming from
00:23:48.920banff they could be coming from canmore they could be coming from didsbury and to us it's just not
00:23:54.600acceptable so number one what we've said is that let's farm out the non-emergency transfers to
00:24:01.800another alternate source whether that's private or whether the ahs step up and put more transfer
00:24:09.560units there we don't really care we just want to keep our emergency ambulances in cochrane
00:24:16.120number two is hospital wait times this is just an issue you can go into any particular hospital
00:24:23.720and see five six eight ten ambulances lined up and they've got their patients in the hallway where
00:24:30.920these paramedics are basically looking after a patient until there's a vat available
00:24:37.800number two is or number three uh cory is flexing uh our crew uh starts at a shift in calgary and
00:24:46.760they're flex anywhere in southern alberta they're going to uh oles they're going to didsbury
00:24:52.520uh and uh which is again keeping our emergency crews uh away from cochran so we have come up
00:25:00.480with three simple plans and that's what our petition is about uh if and these these could
00:25:06.460be fixed very easily uh so if they took our our particular three points uh and applied them uh
00:25:14.680it would keep our units in cochran yeah and what i appreciate what you're up to is again you're not
00:25:21.220coming from an ideology. The bottom line is you just want to get more ambulances available to
00:25:25.760people when they need them. That's the thing. As you said, whether it's public, whether it's
00:25:29.160private, it doesn't really matter. The bottom line is there's underservice right now and it has to
00:25:33.940change. And you've pointed out three ways that that can be improved. I'd like to get back to
00:25:39.200the broader policy issues in a few minutes, but something else impressed me. You're working on a
00:25:43.460proactive thing in that you're accepting though, that there's going to be slow service and response
00:25:47.800times for a while so working on preparing people at least to be able to uh just people themselves
00:25:53.000to empower themselves to respond to emergencies and perhaps stabilize people and and save their
00:25:57.480lives until an ems officer can get there can you expand a bit on that yeah basically at our booth
00:26:02.840we had on the weekend we said if you know the unit's going to be delayed for whatever length
00:26:07.800of time do you have a plan b uh and we had uh information there in first aid courses
00:26:15.080we had information there on cpr courses and we also distributed the amount of aeds that
00:26:21.800are in cochrane currently we have 20 aeds located through cochrane uh and just to give you an
00:26:28.760example uh corey last september a 70 year old golfer collapsed at the ninth hole in cochrane
00:26:37.720he went down there happened to be residents that back onto the golf course
00:26:46.040The AED was retrieved from the lobby of the golf club.
00:26:52.060And he was revived before EMS arrived because they were delayed.
00:26:57.320And currently, right now, we're holding two charity golf tournaments, one in Calgary next week or sorry, next month and one in Cochrane next September.
00:27:11.660And all the proceeds are going toward more AEDs in Cochrane.
00:27:17.520Since we started our campaign, a local service group, Corey, has agreed to donate $20,000 to purchase more AEDs in Cochrane.
00:27:28.580So if we get $10,000 or $15,000 from these charity golf tournaments, put it with the $20,000, we'll have $35,000 that we can purchase and increase the number of AEDs in Cochrane.
00:27:40.080We want them registered. So if a particular person is calling and saying that an individual has collapsed, there's no pulse, no heartbeat, the dispatcher will say, hey, do you know you have an AED within a block or two blocks or whatever the situation is?
00:27:58.580And in this particular case, the gentleman, the 70-year-old gentleman is out currently golfing, but he was clinically dead before an AED was used last September.
00:28:13.080Yeah, and just to expand a bit for people who aren't familiar, so an AED is kind of a portable layperson's defibrillator unit, and I got taught on those in occupational aid in the past.
00:28:24.860they're at quite user friendly and safe. But you know, not everybody necessarily knows what those
00:28:29.740are. And we're seeing more and more of them. But the more we can see out there, the better,
00:28:33.220of course, because you never know where or when you're going to need one.
00:28:35.840Exactly. And they're basically foolproof. You're turning the thing on, it actually talks you
00:28:40.740through how to use it. And if the person has a pulse, it will basically say stop and evaluate
00:28:47.660the patient. So it requires a bit of instructions, but anybody can use them. And there's some
00:28:55.880maintenance that's required with respect to the pads and the batteries. But basically,
00:29:02.580they're sort of a foolproof thing. And the AEDs is what really saves the patient. CPR will keep
00:29:11.900the blood flowing. But AEDs is what happens when you shock the heart to get the heart back into
00:29:18.300some type of rhythm. Yeah. So, and there were other things you'd mentioned, as I kind of talked
00:29:23.460about, there's first aid courses people could take down in the urban areas, but we're seeing
00:29:28.120it everywhere too, keeping naloxone handy, epinephrine even. I mean, there's items that
00:29:33.620need immediate intervention with people that late people could actually apply if they just had a
00:29:39.380little of the knowledge and resources in order to do it, you know, just assuming that you're
00:29:42.900going to have a longer time for an EMS arrival. Well, that's correct. You know, it's sort of a
00:29:47.400band-aid effect until we can resolve the EMS crisis in Cochrane and Alberta. But we're encouraging
00:29:56.300the residents of Cochrane and area to make sure that they have a current CPR, a current first
00:30:03.040state course. They know what an AED is. And in fact, two members of our 14 member committee
00:30:10.160have already purchased personal AEDs. They run roughly about $1,400, $1,500, depending on where
00:30:19.300you buy them from. So they have taken upon themselves to purchase AEDs for their own
00:30:25.520personal family. Yeah. So, you know, moving away from that. And like I said, I just like that at
00:30:31.200least, you know, it's, it's, uh, being, uh, pragmatic. I mean, we just, there's a bigger
00:30:36.320issue to be addressed and it's not saying we can kick the can down the road for EMS response times.
00:30:40.940It's just saying, Hey, as citizens, there's lots of things you can do to protect yourself in the
00:30:44.300meantime, even if we fix the EMS response time issue somehow, it'd be good to have that many
00:30:48.580more, uh, resources and people trained on them, uh, if they should ever need them. So getting back
00:30:54.400to that though, I mean, it's particularly acute with, with rural, uh, services though. I mean,
00:30:58.780Cochrane could barely be called rural these days. It seems to be actually mostly anything that's
00:31:02.300nearby a large center like Calgary. I live in Prittis. Our ambulance gets pulled into the city
00:31:06.720all the time. This has been new. I mean, since what was it during Ed Stelmeck's time, I believe,
00:31:13.100when they sort of centralized all the EMS services, wasn't it?
00:31:16.340Yeah. Basically, we ran in Cochrane. The ambulance service started on July 1st, 1983.
00:31:23.820I actually was a paramedic in Calgary, came out to Cochrane in the early 80s,
00:31:29.720took the title of fire chief because I was with the fire department.
00:31:33.520And then in July 1st, 83, we started our own service.
00:31:37.940And then the province, for whatever means, decided to take over the service in 2009.
00:31:44.000And ever since then, it's gone downhill.
00:31:47.520in 2009 before we took the ambulance service over we had two first line response units in 2022
00:31:56.400with the population of cochrane close to 35 000 people triple we still have 2000 we still have
00:32:02.160two units um so it really hasn't come up uh kept up with the uh with the population growth and the
00:32:09.120amount of calls that we've got um and so if if the government would do our three simple steps
00:32:16.640It's a start on trying to keep our units in Cochrane and rather having a unit coming.
00:32:22.200There's been situations where a car has started from Vulcan coming to Cochrane for whatever instant.
00:32:29.540Luckily, there were cars that cleared from the closest hospital.
00:32:33.580But can you imagine having a car coming from Vulcan if you've got a heart attack or a stroke or whatever?
00:32:41.680no and then it's it's not just the long runs but it's something you've referenced earlier too
00:32:46.820whether it was in patient transfer or other things but when they get to those larger hospitals they
00:32:50.980can often be locked in and doing hallway care i wrote a column on this last uh summer and i drove
00:32:56.440by and checked out the rocky view just randomly and pulled in and went out back and and sure
00:33:01.040enough there were i counted nine ambulances all parked behind there and presumably all of the
00:33:06.860attendants were stuck inside at the hospital that should be out and about somewhere, I mean, ready
00:33:13.020or possibly in the middle of providing services. But then it gets into a kind of a larger,
00:33:18.220more complicated issue, because then it comes down to the healthcare itself and, you know,
00:33:24.500hospital staff signing off on taking patients, right?
00:33:27.360Yeah, exactly. And we've been told that if you go ahead and drop off a patient at a hospital,
00:33:34.420it's called abandonment but we're not abandoning them in the in a jungle somewhere we're taking
00:33:40.700them to a first class hospital in a in a particular urban setting um and the problem is is that they're
00:33:49.040downloading the the uh the availability of the for us to look after or the paramedics look after
00:33:56.200the the patients we brought in because they're short-staffed uh when we ran the service in
00:34:02.040Cochran. If you spent more than 15 minutes at the hospital, you were too long. If you're a
00:34:08.680paramedic attending, you would give your report to the triage nurse. She would tell you what bed
00:34:13.640you would need. Your partner would get the ambulance ready and within 15 minutes, we're gone.
00:34:18.800But now in 2009, Corey, the paramedics are part of the AHS staff. So I don't know, they think they
00:34:26.760can download the availability of the patients to the paramedics, which is absolutely wrong.
00:34:33.620In fact, I think it's criminal. I think it's criminal that they're holding hostage,
00:34:39.340the paramedics at a hospital where they should be out in their area. And for us,
00:34:45.820it should be back in Cochrane. Well, yeah, I mean, it's a waste of specially trained skill sets. I
00:34:51.740mean, they're specially trained people in hospital for caring for patients once they've come in.
00:34:55.500an EMS attendant, a paramedic, I mean, they've got the training and the ability to be out and
00:35:00.460about. That's the point. That's the purpose. They should be in the field and either taking part in
00:35:05.680a transfer or stabilizing something out there. And we're just completely misappropriating a
00:35:10.880resource when we're using them as care personnel in hospital hallways. Well, that's right. And
00:35:16.240they're using the paramedic staff as you want to say in quotations, babysitting. Now, if you bring
00:35:24.860If you walk into the hospital, you have there's a clock there saying your particular time to look at, get looked at could be two or three or four hours.
00:35:35.160But the only difference is that we're bringing somebody in by ambulance.
00:35:40.800If it's critical, they probably will get a bed.
00:35:43.840If it's not critical, they'll say, go to the hallway and wait until your turn comes up.
00:35:48.840Well, why can't we put that particular patient in the waiting room as if he walked in?
00:35:54.160But no, the system won't allow us to do that, Corey.
00:35:59.200Yeah, so there's, I mean, there's trouble on a lot of fronts.
00:36:01.660I mean, I've been screaming this one from the rooftops for a while.
00:36:05.260As we know, we both know Don Sharp, and he's a great guy, and he's brought my attention to it.
00:36:09.880I went to meetings down in Okotoks that he was helping host, and it just seems once in a while we'll have a tragedy,
00:36:15.980and this will hit the news, and everybody gets upset, and then they all forget about it.
00:36:19.420But this problem just isn't going away.
00:36:22.720But at least you're making a twofold approach.
00:36:24.640One with at least, well, let's see how we as citizens can get up and help each other and help mitigate the damage.
00:36:31.220But at the same time, we've got to change this system altogether because it's just not working.
00:36:37.760And look, in Airdrie was that last month they transported two patients by fire truck to their urgent care in Airdrie because there was no ambulances available.
00:36:49.420um and the city of calgary as mentioned in the herald last week i think a crew stayed with the
00:36:54.540patient for three hours waiting for an ambulance well that takes that particular fire crew out of
00:37:00.460service it's not fair it's not fair at all no and again it's a different train i mean the fire crews
00:37:07.260are trained to respond to medical emergencies but they're also trained to put out fires i mean if
00:37:10.940there'd have been a large fire emergency that they could be delayed it goes all the way down the line
00:37:14.940It does. So it's a system failure. But we got to start somewhere. So our 14 volunteer committee is very committed. Like I say, we had part of our crew went out and collected almost 2,500 signatures based on our three-point plan that's going to be meeting with our MLA next Tuesday.
00:37:41.500and he has promised to take that to the minister.
00:37:46.020And, you know, those 2,500 signatures,
00:37:48.380that could be 5 or 10 or 8 or 12% of the voting public
00:40:11.860And as you know, I was saying that there's ambulances backed up, piled up in emergency rooms all across the city and they're draining other areas.
00:40:20.200And the, I can't remember the name of the union, but if you look on Twitter, there's the emergency services union and they're out there and they post all the time pictures because it shows an ambulance on a map.
00:40:30.940And it shows times when you see ambulances coming out of Banff to service, you know, Strathmore, or people, as Brian had said, somebody was coming out of Vulcan to service Cochrane. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous long distances these ambulances are going, and they're leaving people underserviced and at risk. We should be solving this, and we should be on it.
00:40:49.280But it's, again, lost in the realm of ideological debate and the frustration, you know, we've got the wrong, these are specialized, professional, skilled people, and you need them out doing what they're trained to do.
00:41:03.260And they can't do that when they're spending an hour and a half driving on a highway to respond to an event, or if they're spending two, three, four, five hours sitting in a hospital hallway.
00:41:12.340It's ridiculous, and it's a misappropriation of resources.