Western Standard - Triggered： Handgun law is a vanity project for Trudeau.

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00:00:30.000 Good morning. It's May 31st, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan. This is the

00:00:38.600 Western Standards daily live show. We run Monday to Friday, 1130 till around one o'clock. Usually

00:00:44.620 we have some interesting guests and some ranting of mine, which can be interesting or dull depending

00:00:50.500 on the day or how worked up I might be. So let's see, we got people tuning in from all over. We do

00:00:55.760 have a lot to cover today uh let's start with those daily observances though you know find out

00:01:00.520 what's important what you got to make sure to be watching for today and what's happening out there

00:01:03.820 it is necrotizing fasciitis awareness day you don't want to forget this one for those not familiar

00:01:09.580 with that one that's that nasty flesh-eating disease it used to be much more prominent in

00:01:13.940 the news for a while it's even almost trendy actually it's kind of a scary thought you get

00:01:17.200 a small cut you get an infection and it just sort of eats you it cost lucien bouchard his leg in the

00:01:22.620 past, if I recall. Either way, it's kind of a grisly observance, but it really is necrotizing

00:01:27.260 fasciitis awareness day. So I wouldn't want you guys to go through a day without knowing that.

00:01:31.660 It's also World Parrot Day. So if you've got a parrot or if you want a parrot or if you just

00:01:37.060 like parrots, this is the day to admire them, observe them, take advantage of them. I don't

00:01:41.700 know whatever you do with a parrot. Of course, I'll teach it to swear or whatever you're going to do.

00:01:45.180 Have some fun with it. Now, it turns out there was a bit of controversy. I also announced that

00:01:50.180 yesterday was hug your cat day and we got corrected. Apparently I've been spreading fake

00:01:54.100 news. Now you see, I get my daily observances from one site, but in searching, apparently

00:01:58.560 hug your cat day is on June 14th. It is listed on the other site as well. It's the only solution

00:02:03.400 I can see for that though. And I apologize for having mischaracterized the day and perhaps put

00:02:08.360 out the wrong information on hug your cat day. You are allowed to hug your cat more than once,

00:02:12.840 or if your cat's a miserable beast, like that thing that lives in my house, just still remain

00:02:17.660 with not hugging it whatsoever. But your official Hug Your Cat Day will be on June 4th. Sorry if I'd

00:02:23.180 had people's cats inadvertently hugged on the wrong day. Perhaps they only allow it on one day

00:02:27.620 of the year and they got it on the wrong one. So my apologies to all the cats and cat huggers and

00:02:34.180 scratched people out there. Okay, let's see, getting on to who we've got today. I got a couple of good

00:02:38.500 guests actually. Matt Hatfield from Open Media. They're an organization that specializes in

00:02:43.580 watching for internet privacy, data breaches, and of course, transparency, free speech.

00:02:49.960 And there was quite a story with the Globe and Mail broke it. I got to give credit to the Toronto

00:02:53.520 Globe when it's due with a lot of data from students because all that online learning and

00:02:58.420 all those apps, well, it turns out, including it through a CBC app, the old state broadcaster,

00:03:03.880 and 18 students, kids were having their data shared and sold to private operators. So your

00:03:08.060 kids not just going to school, those advertisers are sucking in data on them and targeting them

00:03:12.540 for future sales or social engineering or who knows what.

00:03:15.560 So that'll be a good conversation.

00:03:17.400 Dr. Well, Professor Tom Flanagan is going to be back on.

00:03:20.260 He's been on before, and we are going to follow up further again as we spoke.

00:03:24.680 We've published a number of stories, you know, just trying to have a more nuanced

00:03:27.980 and deeper discussion on what's going on with these residential school alleged burial sites

00:03:33.980 or some are burial sites, but they were known burial sites.

00:03:36.860 And we've talked about it for quite a while, but now the mainstream has finally picked up on it.

00:03:40.460 You know, there's big stories have been coming out in the National Post and in Washington Post, I believe.

00:03:45.760 The discussion's opening up because it sounds like there was a lot of misinformation surrounding that whole affair.

00:03:51.080 And we really should get to the bottom of it.

00:03:52.780 I mean, this is something we shook up the whole nation with for months.

00:03:55.160 I mean, we lowered our flag for half a year.

00:03:58.060 So Professor Flanagan's going to come on and we're going to discuss that.

00:04:01.720 All right. So let me get on to what I usually get on about, whatever the news stories are.

00:04:07.840 And of course, yesterday, the big one was Trudeau's big firearms control announcement.

00:04:13.160 So, I mean, never once to let a good tragedy go to waste,

00:04:16.080 the Trudeau liberals have chosen this week to drop legislation cracking down on law-abiding firearm owners.

00:04:21.980 It's no coincidence that this legislation happens to be presented just after the horrific school massacre in Texas last week.

00:04:28.720 I mean, legislation like this takes time to draft and prepare.

00:04:31.340 The liberal firearm bill, it clearly has just been sitting ready and waiting for a terrible firearm incident to happen

00:04:37.400 so they could take advantage of the public sentiment of the time.

00:04:40.860 Now, if crime due to legally-owned handguns in Canada

00:04:43.560 really was an immediate and pressing problem,

00:04:46.400 shouldn't the Liberals put this forward long ago?

00:04:49.320 I mean, they had this legislation in the can,

00:04:51.240 but they waited until it was politically expedient before going after handguns.

00:04:55.000 The political future of the Truro government is a higher priority than public safety,

00:04:59.060 and this proves it.

00:04:59.940 Now, this proposed legislation is a solution seeking a problem.

00:05:04.200 Shootings are indeed rising in urban areas across Canada,

00:05:06.620 and citizens are rightly concerned about it. 1.00

00:05:08.720 And when we're looking at over 90% of the cases

00:05:11.000 of handgun crimes in Canada, though,

00:05:12.420 it involves an illegal handgun

00:05:14.160 that's been smuggled in from the United States.

00:05:16.500 In many other cases, the guns were stolen from somebody.

00:05:19.420 Crimes committed by law-abiding, licensed

00:05:21.380 and registered handgun owners in Canada

00:05:23.160 are statistically insignificant.

00:05:25.920 Yet this is who the Trudeau government

00:05:27.720 is targeting with this legislation.

00:05:29.880 It's political virtue signaling on a grand scale

00:05:32.080 and it's not making anybody any safer.

00:05:34.680 With legal registered handguns, the majority of fatalities they have caused, because there's

00:05:39.700 some numbers in there, they like pointing to them, but those were suicides. If we want to try and

00:05:43.400 reduce suicides, I'm all for it. Let's spend more money on mental health supports and treatment.

00:05:47.840 Banning handguns won't do any better than banning ropes, though. If somebody really wants to do 0.56

00:05:51.620 themselves in, unfortunately, they will find a way. Canada is drafting legislation in response

00:05:56.680 to American culture wars that we aren't experiencing up here. We don't have a rash of

00:06:01.340 mass or school shootings based on the easy acquisition of legal firearms. Most of our

00:06:06.180 shootings are gang-related, and they almost never use legal firearms. And looking at the American

00:06:12.160 efforts to quell gun violence through firearm restrictions, we can see a prime example of its

00:06:16.380 failure in Chicago. Chicago implemented a gun ban and had some of the most restrictive firearm

00:06:21.320 policies in the whole United States. The shootings in Chicago have only risen with a shocking 3,561

00:06:27.620 of them in 2021. Unimaginable. You know, more than, they were getting around 10 a day, and it

00:06:32.560 contributed to 797 homicides. And this is where they've got the strongest firearm control

00:06:37.520 legislation in the United States. Now, some apologists for Chicago's gun control failure

00:06:41.560 lay the blame on the guns coming from neighboring states. Well, that demonstrates the futility of

00:06:45.840 local controls. Most of Canada's illegal guns are coming from the USA, and our border is 8,900

00:06:50.440 kilometers long. Smugglers have been using drones to fly handguns over that border. How is banning

00:06:56.140 legal handgun ownership going to stop this? Canada has nearly one million legally owned

00:07:01.540 handguns, at least for now. We're actually one of the most highly armed civilian populations on

00:07:05.960 earth. Our handguns are highly regulated and our culture is much different than our southern

00:07:10.200 cousins when it comes to them. They just don't present a problem up here. During the announcement

00:07:15.320 of the new regulations, Trudeau's lineup made the claim that this ban would make women safer. Again,

00:07:20.720 legally owned handguns have not traditionally been a weapon of choice in the harm or murder

00:07:24.640 of women. Indeed, a woman who owns a legal handgun is likely safer than many others.

00:07:29.300 If we want to make women safer, we should be locking up our violent criminals.

00:07:32.940 As I wrote recently, in less than a year in Alberta alone, three young women were

00:07:36.480 murdered by repeat violent offenders. One of the offenders shot a 23-year-old

00:07:40.900 Calgarian mother. He had a long criminal history, and hey, guess what? He was banned

00:07:44.580 from possessing guns. It didn't stop him. Another mother of five

00:07:48.660 was killed in a car accident as a gangster with no less than six attempted murders under his

00:07:52.580 belt in Canada, was chasing down a car and shooting at it. He had been banned from owning

00:07:56.940 guns as well. It's almost as if the criminals don't care. The third one didn't use a gun to

00:08:01.620 commit the horrific crime he did against a mother and child in Alberta, but he also had a long

00:08:06.120 history of violent offenses. No gun laws would have prevented these murders. Keeping these known

00:08:11.360 violent criminals in jail would have, though. We had them, and we let them out, and they killed

00:08:16.000 people. That's where we have a problem. Let's not pretend for a second that Trudeau is intent on

00:08:20.940 stopping with just banning the legal sale of handguns. He's ideologically driven and desperate

00:08:25.120 for a legacy he can claim after his lackluster term as a prime minister. Trudeau will move on

00:08:29.960 to full-out handgun bans soon, and likely will turn his eyes towards long guns as well. The

00:08:35.100 outcome isn't important to him, only the impression he hopes to make. If we want to fight violent

00:08:39.440 crimes, it's going to take a complicated, difficult, and multifaceted approach. Unfortunately, we have

00:08:45.200 a simplistic, one-dimensional prime minister who prefers surfing over heavy lifting. He would

00:08:50.280 rather appear to be doing something than have to do all the work to actually accomplish something.

00:08:54.700 If we want to save lives in Canada, we should be tackling the growing opioid addiction crisis.

00:08:58.780 It's killing thousands of Canadians every year, far more than firearms are.

00:09:02.840 And the illicit trade of the drugs is what's fueling the violent gang wars. Again, though,

00:09:07.160 that's too tough a nut for our current prime minister to try and crack. Gun smugglers and

00:09:12.080 gangsters are smiling today as the Canadian government sets its sights on law-abiding

00:09:15.860 citizens while barely touching the illegal gun trade. All this is going to do is make Canada a

00:09:20.540 little less free and no safer. All right, let's check into the newsroom with Dave Naylor. That's

00:09:27.720 our news editor here at the Western Standard. Hey, Dave, how's it going? It's going good, Corey. Hey,

00:09:31.460 look, you got to promise me every time you let Duke the Wonder Dog out now, you're going packing.

00:09:36.180 You're going armed because I understand there might be some drama going on out there.

00:09:42.840 Well, I was telling Nico, you know, just out of annoyance, actually.

00:09:45.600 Last night I went out and fired off a few shots of the old .22.

00:09:49.200 A flower planter was the victim of my high crime there back in the woods.

00:09:52.760 I didn't have a good target handy.

00:09:54.380 And Duke absolutely despises even a little bit of the sound of that thing,

00:09:57.640 and he is gone immediately.

00:09:59.920 So I don't think packing with Duke is going to help.

00:10:03.040 Well, aren't we the missing dog, though, right?

00:10:07.060 With one of the, hopefully, hasn't fallen victim to one of the creatures of the night?

00:10:11.260 No, no. Yeah, there is one missing in Prittis. Hopefully he's just hiding somewhere.

00:10:15.540 They tend to get eaten in our neck of the woods once in a while.

00:10:18.280 Yeah, fingers crossed. Anyways, big story this morning that had all the women in the newsroom 1.00

00:10:24.240 squealing and apparently your wife, too, that Kevin Costner is coming to town. He's been named

00:10:30.000 the Grand Marshal of the Calgary Stampede Parade on July 8th. So that's got everybody very excited.

00:10:36.200 He's obviously one of the biggest stars in the world right now with Yellowstone and

00:10:40.540 He's got some fairly good movies under his belt, so get on the stampede to try and get more back and focused on modern day life.

00:10:49.400 The gun debate is dominating the news headlines again today, Corey.

00:10:53.900 We got a column from David Creighton just on how Trudeau is shamelessly exploiting the gun tragedy down in Texas,

00:11:02.460 and it's not really going to do anything about crime in Canada.

00:11:05.680 And right next to that, we've got a story about a 15-year-old boy in Toronto.

00:11:10.600 He was arrested facing multiple charges, and there was handguns involved there.

00:11:16.720 So lots of gun stuff today.

00:11:20.880 We've got a column written by a fellow called Corey Morgan talking about health care spending.

00:11:26.320 And it doesn't matter how much money you throw at the problem, it's not going to fix the broken system.

00:11:32.180 We got a column up by our Linda Slobodian on the problems with the cash questions

00:11:38.000 and when you can use cash to buy UCP leadership or become a member of the party

00:11:45.360 to vote for the UCP leadership.

00:11:48.560 And speaking of that, we're moments away from having Travis Taves,

00:11:53.140 the current finance minister, announce his bid for the leadership.

00:11:57.780 Apparently he resigned as finance minister this morning.

00:12:00.500 It's going to be having a press conference in about 20 minutes in Grand Prairie, and that'll lead to a cabinet shuffle later on this afternoon, I'm thinking, because somebody's going to have to replace Travis Taves as finance minister.

00:12:14.820 And the money seems to be on Tyler Shandro, who's a close confidant of Jason Kenney.

00:12:21.840 So lots of political intrigue coming up this afternoon, Corey.

00:12:25.840 Great. Well, political intrigue is our trade here, along with news and other items. So yeah,

00:12:32.240 we'll be watching that closely for sure. And just to mention, Rob here sitting beside me

00:12:38.080 says he's never seen your hair so bouffant. Well, thanks. Yes, I am a little overdue for a trim here,

00:12:45.520 but yeah, the old wiry grays are really puffing up nicely. 1.00

00:12:49.280 You're rocking it, man. Great. Thanks, Dave. All right. Talk to you later. 1.00

00:12:55.340 So yes, lots in the news cooker, guys, always stuff breaking, always stuff going. And as we

00:12:59.840 said, Linda and Rachel are really both watching closely and reporting on the ongoing news as it

00:13:07.040 breaks with the UCP and their leadership and what's happening there. Just that reminder to

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00:14:16.360 So yes, lots breaking

00:14:17.800 as Dave had

00:14:19.860 mentioned. Yes, I noticed Jane

00:14:21.760 had a little more bounce in her step this 1.00

00:14:23.880 morning. I wish I could take credit for that

00:14:25.620 but no, not in that case. It's because she'd

00:14:27.800 found out that Kevin Costner is going

00:14:29.760 to be heading the Stampede Parade this year in Calgary

00:14:31.920 and from what I've seen on

00:14:33.800 Twitter and that, quite a few Calgarian

00:14:35.900 ladies are quite happy and looking forward 0.85

00:14:37.820 to that. For those who haven't watched 0.88

00:14:39.740 Yellowstone, you know, it's been quite a hit

00:14:41.360 if you want to see a cross between a run-of-the-mill Western and Sons of Anarchy, that's kind of what

00:14:46.820 you got there. And it's quite a show, and it's been very popular, and of course, particularly

00:14:50.880 out here in the West. And I think, you know, to give credit where it's due, the Stampede board,

00:14:55.920 I criticize them a lot, because I think for the most part, they're a bunch of dorks.

00:14:59.200 But they made a really good choice, just in timeliness, you know, he's big in the news.

00:15:03.760 it's uh um it's uh what was i saying western themed you know it fits with the stampede because

00:15:11.040 we've had a lot of weird parade marshals and people coming out that i mean hey good on them

00:15:14.300 but it doesn't really reflect what the stampede crowd is and we haven't had a good stampede in

00:15:18.320 years thanks to the pandemic and restrictions and everything else um so yeah having costner

00:15:23.180 headed up that was a good call and uh it sounds like it's going to be pulling some people out to

00:15:26.260 the parade who haven't seen one of these parades in in many years so i expect the kids are going

00:15:30.820 have a hard time watching the parade this year because they're going to have to be peeking around 0.98

00:15:34.820 between the legs of a large lineup of middle-aged ladies lined up and throwing their undies at

00:15:39.920 Mr. Costner as he tours or something, but we'll see. Somebody commenting also, Scott, you're having

00:15:45.600 trouble logging in. Send an email. I don't do the tech stuff, I'm afraid. Send an email to info at

00:15:50.920 and they'll fix you up. They can do it. There's a few people have had a few things they got to

00:15:56.240 change with the new website in order to get logged in and typically pretty easy fixes. I'm afraid I

00:16:02.720 can't, I don't know what they are. I can't list them on here. That's not my turf. So getting

00:16:08.520 provincial, let's talk about that for a moment. Yes, we've got, as we say, Taze has entered the

00:16:14.820 race for the UCP. That's the one kind of everybody's anticipated. He's the finance minister

00:16:19.000 or was, and he's stepped down from it. So here will be the establishment candidate. That's the

00:16:24.420 one from the Kennedy government. There's always one. And the more the merrier this race. So that

00:16:30.400 kind of will make it three people who have officially declared for it. Again, for people

00:16:35.640 looking for something different, well, they're going to have to look farther. But you've got,

00:16:39.160 you know, Daniel Smith and Brian Jean, who already led parties in the past. They're trying

00:16:43.640 to make a comeback. And now we've got Travis Tays, who's, you know, he's a solid, steady guy.

00:16:49.400 We talked about him on the pipeline last Wednesday, and he's the establishment candidate.

00:16:55.760 He's part of the Kenney government, and that comes with some baggage.

00:16:58.480 There's no doubt about that.

00:16:59.320 The Kenney government isn't necessarily the most popular one you want to be aligned with.

00:17:04.460 I mean, they just threw out their own leader, so that might not be the endorsement you want on the way in,

00:17:09.340 and Premier Kenney hasn't endorsed anybody, but he will be viewed as the establishment candidate.

00:17:15.040 We'll see how that works.

00:17:16.960 It's funny.

00:17:17.740 He's different.

00:17:18.260 He comes in under the radar. He's soft. He's been on this show before. He's, you know, a calmly spoken guy. He's pretty steady. Maybe that's what Albertans want right now. Maybe they want to break from trying to go for flash and noise. I don't know. We'll see.

00:17:33.780 As we've brought up, you know, a lot of the ministers, for example,

00:17:37.140 that carry a lot of the baggage from Kenny was with the whole Sky Palace thing

00:17:40.580 that really embarrassed the government.

00:17:41.780 Well, everybody was locked down and they were out on the Sky Palace of all places

00:17:46.040 having a drink and so on.

00:17:47.720 And people remember that Kenny was there and Tyler Shandro,

00:17:50.180 and they remember that Jason Nixon was among them.

00:17:54.460 But nobody remembers that Taze was there.

00:17:55.800 I had forgotten that he was in that mix even.

00:17:57.640 So he kind of slides under the radar.

00:17:59.680 Don't underestimate him.

00:18:00.760 So the race is developing.

00:18:01.800 I mean, they haven't even come up with the rules yet.

00:18:04.180 Some of the things that are of concern, so that they won't, and I'm kind of mixed on it,

00:18:09.920 they won't allow the cash sale of memberships anymore. It has to be purchased with a credit

00:18:14.140 card or debit or some form of thing. It's going to be a pain for some people. Some people really

00:18:19.480 like dealing with cash, but this is a way there's been so much mistrust, there's been so much

00:18:22.860 ugly political play already with memberships and things, bulk buying and stuff like that.

00:18:28.740 This will help, I think, bring in a little more confidence in that entire race. Things will be 0.59

00:18:33.200 trackable, traceable, because this party really needs to regain trust. No matter who wins that

00:18:38.160 leadership, they've got to show that this was a legitimate race. There's still questions being

00:18:42.200 asked about the race that Kenny ran in years ago when he took the leadership, that the party can't

00:18:47.000 afford to have a bunch of people questioning the process again in this one. And I think the party

00:18:50.440 headquarters have recognized that. So they brought in a rule saying, look, we're not going to take

00:18:55.220 cash purchases and memberships. We've got to track all these memberships in this. It's too important.

00:18:59.220 and you'll just have to work with that.

00:19:02.220 But it's good to see they're recognizing the difficulties

00:19:04.740 in coming with their past activities.

00:19:08.940 Maybe, maybe this party's going to fix itself.

00:19:11.140 They got a lot to cover in a short period of time

00:19:13.820 because we're looking at a general election,

00:19:16.420 possibly in, well, it's going to be in a year.

00:19:21.220 And with a six-month leadership race,

00:19:23.020 this party does not have a lot of time to get it together.

00:19:28.600 So they got to get the trust.

00:19:30.480 That's the big word.

00:19:31.120 You know, it's not policy so much.

00:19:32.460 I keep saying that all the time.

00:19:34.900 The important thing is making sure people feel this.

00:19:38.420 These are a government of legitimate people who are looking out for their interests.

00:19:42.180 Okay, before I get to my guest, I see him in the lobby.

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00:20:52.300 Okay. Let's get on to our guests. Speaking of data and digital and all that good stuff in this

00:20:58.060 new world that we're going on to, this is Matt Hatfield of the Open Media. I think I got the

00:21:03.520 name right. Yes. Of course. Sorry about that, Matt. And we were going to talk about some data

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00:21:39.220 strictly nonpartisan. We're not aligned with any of the parties. Excellent. And I mean, it is such

00:21:44.340 a fluid and changing world you know the the internet is moving along and as fast as there's

00:21:49.940 advancements in the internet it seems like there's also people who want to control it or abuse it or

00:21:53.540 take advantage of it and uh i guess that's part of what you watch for i mean data is everything

00:21:58.580 and uh particularly with marketing or with with pretty much any even government activities things

00:22:03.460 they might want to do if you're studying and something that broke and what made me seek you

00:22:07.540 guys out on this was the glow and mail story that uh students with online learning it sounds like

00:22:12.180 they've been basically capturing their data and sharing that to uh uh marketers that's right uh

00:22:18.660 so this is a pretty shocking story for a lot of people to realize that children were being uh

00:22:23.860 having their data gathered by quite a few different learning apps that were in use

00:22:26.900 uh so cbc kids is one of the ones that's sort of most egregious it's actually used as a case study

00:22:32.900 uh in human rights watches reports um for how badly it was abusing kids data but it's

00:22:38.340 unfortunately just sort of pulling the curtain off and showing people how much all of our data

00:22:43.780 is being gathered and abused by the apps that we use every day on our digital devices.

00:22:49.220 Yeah. And a lot of people, I mean, didn't even realize, I always like to bring up even older

00:22:53.220 examples they didn't understand. They were worried about their privacy and say, well,

00:22:56.580 do you have an air miles card? Yes. Well, do you understand why they give you these discounts? It's

00:23:01.220 not so much your shopping, it's just because you're sharing all of that data with your age,

00:23:05.700 your demographic, where you shop, what you're buying, what time. It's very, very important to

00:23:10.100 marketers and people share that without knowing it. But what risks are there in sharing data like

00:23:15.980 this? I guess that's part of it. Some people say, well, it's harmless, but is it?

00:23:19.300 Well, it's not harmless, but you're unlikely to experience a direct sharp effect in your daily

00:23:26.100 life, which I think is why it feels harmless for people. I think what's really concerning about the

00:23:30.920 the modern data broker economy works is like this data is gathered by apps that seem very benign

00:23:36.760 but it is used and resold in a third-party economy in which much less benign companies

00:23:42.920 could acquire that data so um there was kind of an incredible story the intercepts did

00:23:48.120 excuse me last month um where they actually revealed that a private surveillance company

00:23:51.720 was actually able to use this data broker economy to uh surveil cia agents and to gather a lot of

00:23:58.040 of information about their movements. Any of us could be targeted in this way. Of course, you and

00:24:02.960 I in our daily lives are unlikely to face like that very high level of scrutiny. But it is stripping

00:24:08.200 us of our right to privacy in a fundamental sense that I don't think anyone in Canada should be

00:24:11.820 comfortable with. Yeah, well, and we're talking about, I mean, young students having basically

00:24:15.940 kind of a file being built for them each. And, you know, as they move forward in life, I mean,

00:24:20.960 some of them are going to be our future leaders, some are going to be in sensitive positions.

00:24:23.960 uh it isn't necessarily to anybody's benefit for that sort of data to be going around all over the

00:24:29.500 place and it's not just the first user i mean data gets sold and resold and resold right

00:24:33.700 that's exactly right so you might start by getting your app taken by cbc kids or by a weather app

00:24:40.040 and you think well you know i mean what's a weather company really going to do with my data

00:24:44.200 surely it couldn't be that bad but their whole model the reason you're getting this weather

00:24:47.940 service for free is they will gather this personal information about you and they'll sell it to

00:24:52.000 anyone who will buy it. Technically, it's supposed to have some of the personal information removed

00:24:57.340 from it. But the reality is when if I'm a hostile actor, if I'm gathering data from your weather app

00:25:03.740 and another app and another app, I can actually assemble a lot of stuff that tells me a lot about

00:25:08.000 what you personally are up to in your life that, you know, you and I probably wouldn't be comfortable

00:25:12.580 with a company having that kind of information on us. Yeah. So how do we stop this, though? I mean,

00:25:18.200 I can understand there's some degree of personal responsibility with grown people. Choose what

00:25:21.820 you're going to register for, where you're going to share your data and things like that. But

00:25:25.340 in this case, I think part of why people got as upset as they did is this was students in school

00:25:30.840 unknowingly, you would think this is an area where it's just it's not it's going to be immune

00:25:34.040 from that sort of thing. Is there a way we can prevent this from happening in the future?

00:25:39.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it stands out to people because kids are obviously they can't be expected

00:25:42.640 to know how they're making themselves vulnerable and participating in these apps. But none of us

00:25:46.680 really know all the different ways that apps are tracking us and drawing information from us.

00:25:50.740 nobody is able to read all of the agreements that we have to click through to get our daily business

00:25:55.300 done. And what we really need here is much stronger privacy protections entrenched in law

00:26:00.100 for kids and for all the rest of us. It's something we've been calling on in our community

00:26:04.820 from the government for a long time. We got our first look at privacy reform in 2020,

00:26:10.580 when the government proposed a reform to PIPEDA, the main law that governs how private companies

00:26:15.780 use our data. Unfortunately, it was a very weak effort at reform. It didn't, there was a lot of

00:26:22.620 loopholes in it. And the government didn't really make a serious effort to pass it. They let it die.

00:26:27.840 There was no real, didn't reach committee, no real attempts to reform and get it into law.

00:26:33.240 And they need to do better. So Minister Champagne from industry has said that it's one of his top

00:26:38.260 priorities. We're waiting to see whether he's actually going to do it. And, you know, whether

00:26:42.540 he's going to be listening to these companies that want to keep making money from our data,

00:26:46.480 or whether he's going to take real meaningful action to protect Canadians.

00:26:49.960 Yeah, well, and again, it doesn't matter which party, it always kind of comes down to an I'll

00:26:53.980 believe it when I see it sort of scenario. I mean, if a government's in, if they want to get

00:26:57.780 something done, they typically will push it through pretty quickly, you know, if they really

00:27:01.500 want it. So I guess you just got to keep pushing and trying to encourage them and making sure that

00:27:05.300 issue doesn't die. I would hope that this particular story lit a little more fire under

00:27:09.120 their butts and make them take this a little more seriously. I certainly hope so as well.

00:27:14.000 So going further then, you know, into what your organization does, because I'm quite interested

00:27:17.860 in that, and that impacts us a lot too. You talk about a lot of not just privacy, but access to

00:27:22.320 data or access to the internet and things such as that. And your organization has been quite

00:27:27.100 outspoken as have we with things such as Bill C-11 and C-18, where we're looking at controlling

00:27:31.960 information, not so much gathering it, but controlling what we can or can't see. Which

00:27:36.560 Which concerns have you guys raised with perhaps, you know, each bill in turn?

00:27:41.200 Right.

00:27:41.740 So Bill C-11, the Online Streaming Act, is an attempt to reform the law around our broadcasting

00:27:49.680 acts.

00:27:50.100 And the idea is to include streaming companies within it.

00:27:53.300 Unfortunately, the way the government is going about it, they've actually shoehorned in,

00:27:58.460 given the CRTC the power to regulate a lot of the audiovisual, you know, podcast video

00:28:04.360 content that ordinary Canadians might put on the internet, all of that is technically within the

00:28:09.600 CRTC's regulatory control under this bill. Now, we don't think that's necessarily the government

00:28:15.200 intentionally trying to create a giant censorship regime, but whether they intend to or not,

00:28:20.460 the power is there, and we don't think that's a safe power to be given government.

00:28:24.440 No, and we're at a time where well-trusted government in general, I was kind of talking

00:28:28.540 about that before you came on, I mean, whether you like this particular one or another, it's not

00:28:32.820 really at a high point. So, I mean, the more protections we could have or more clarity on

00:28:36.500 these things, I think people feel a little more comfortable with these legislations.

00:28:40.220 That's right. And in terms of Bill C-18, that's an attempt to create a new compensation scheme

00:28:46.680 for news. We don't necessarily think it's a bad thing to have some public support for news,

00:28:51.240 because as you, I'm sure, are aware, it's difficult to make a good living making quality

00:28:57.260 news these days. But we do think the way the government is doing it with Bill C-18 is really,

00:29:01.560 really misguided. So it's founded on a qualification scheme for being vetted by the government for

00:29:10.380 whether you're making quality news or not. And there's just no transparency into that scheme.

00:29:14.920 We don't know how decisions are made. We don't know who is in or out. And in the case of Bill

00:29:20.460 18, we'll require news organizations and online platforms to make a deal for financial support.

00:29:26.720 There's also absolutely no information about what those deals will look like. So again,

00:29:30.240 we don't know who will have a deal, what the terms are, what the expectations are.

00:29:35.380 It's really frustrating to have this very low level of public accountability or something

00:29:38.840 that matters to people a lot.

00:29:39.820 I mean, the news is very important.

00:29:42.080 Yeah.

00:29:42.560 And that qualification setup they have, I mean, credit where due with Canada land, for

00:29:46.720 example, they really dug in and exposed and spoke to one of the committee members.

00:29:50.380 I guess I'll give her credit for coming on, but she didn't really expose, well, what are

00:29:53.500 the qualifications?

00:29:54.860 What do you look at?

00:29:55.580 What do you do to choose where you pull the trigger as to who is a qualified or not qualified organization?

00:30:01.220 And if the government has that ability, and we are, as alternative media, dependent on these social media giants, we can't reach the broader audience without that access.

00:30:10.940 Again, it gets dangerous if the government starts to pick and choose which outlets can or can't.

00:30:14.900 I mean, it's not to say it's being done or that's their intention, but ostensibly a government can say, well, I don't like their slant or that candidate they spoke to or whatever, and we're going to yank their qualifications.

00:30:25.440 Yeah, any consideration that important needs to be done in front of people in Canada.

00:30:29.880 We need to see how the decisions are made and have the opportunity to judge whether they're being made in a fair and partial way.

00:30:36.120 It's just it's not appropriate for there to be a secret process for selecting who does the news.

00:30:40.040 And it's kind of backwards, I think, in some sense.

00:30:42.240 I had Michael Geist on talking about that.

00:30:43.840 He's done a lot of fantastic work, of course, in Internet privacy issues and such as well.

00:30:48.800 But, you know, it kind of puts the screws to the big Internet heavyweights.

00:30:52.840 And I know a lot of people don't feel a lot of sympathy for Facebook or Google, but in reality,

00:30:57.840 they shouldn't have to pay money just to have a link posted on their site. And that's kind of

00:31:01.180 what this calls for. If you're going to link to a news, I mean, it's one thing to publish a whole

00:31:04.320 new story and try and get advertising revenue from that. But this is a case of them just linking to

00:31:09.140 those stories. They're actually kind of providing a service to the outlets in the first place.

00:31:13.360 And we're going to try and charge them to provide a service. And this can't be good.

00:31:18.120 Professor Geist is completely right about that. I mean, very few people have that much sympathy

00:31:22.420 for Facebook or Google. So that's not the core of our argument around it. But no, there's no

00:31:27.780 actual rationale for this way of seeking funding. And the trouble with doing it this way is it will

00:31:34.360 make it actually beneficial for platforms to try to avoid sharing quality news. So C18 tries to

00:31:40.940 say that, oh, they're not allowed to do that. But there's a lot of things that companies can

00:31:44.180 quietly do to discourage people from sharing quality news articles on their platforms.

00:31:48.920 And that's a real problem.

00:31:49.940 You know, we need quality journalism to spread as far and wide.

00:31:52.820 That's actually one of the problems with the modern internet.

00:31:55.020 Well, that's it too.

00:31:56.220 So, I mean, non-qualifying or perhaps just there's, you know, an unprincipled outlet

00:32:00.880 or something like that that is prone to having an agenda or spreading fake information.

00:32:05.000 Well, they're going to be able to play victim, build their underground viewership.

00:32:09.080 And I mean, they'll still get around, but it'll be more unregulated and the adherence

00:32:13.180 to it won't be getting information from other places.

00:32:15.220 Like the bottom, I don't know, I think we're kind of in agreement.

00:32:17.100 but it leaves personal responsibility to people,

00:32:19.560 but you just gotta kind of let all the information

00:32:21.020 get out there and we gotta work to determine

00:32:22.980 the accurate stuff from the inaccurate.

00:32:24.760 And it can be hard and overwhelming,

00:32:26.240 but it's better than getting the government

00:32:27.400 to start trying to get in and pick and choose

00:32:29.100 what we can see or hear.

00:32:30.540 For sure, for sure.

00:32:32.840 Great, so what other initiatives

00:32:34.680 is your organization working on right now?

00:32:36.520 Just in that whole field alone,

00:32:37.660 I imagine you're very busy.

00:32:40.000 Well, it's a busy year and the more the government

00:32:42.460 does things, the busier we get,

00:32:43.740 but really we're always looking to try to address

00:32:47.020 imbalance between companies and governments and individual people, individual Canadians.

00:32:53.420 So it's our sense that in the digital world, increasingly, the scales are tilted more and

00:32:59.020 more towards large organizations, whether that's governments or companies. And we just provide

00:33:03.660 lots of ways for people to get their voices out there. All of our tools that send messages to

00:33:09.180 policymakers, you can edit the message, you can add your own thoughts, you can disagree with us

00:33:13.500 if you want. We're really trying to encourage democratic participation in every way we can

00:33:18.540 and to inform people about how important some of these digital issues are.

00:33:21.740 So, of course, in Canada, one of the big questions that's under consideration right now is

00:33:26.220 the Roger Shaw buyout deal. And behind that, of course, will be our Competition Act and trying

00:33:32.620 to get reforms to our Competition Act to better support market competition in Canada in the future.

00:33:38.300 Great. Yeah. And I mean, it's important to have sites like yourself, or even as you said,

00:33:44.460 with Professor Geist, I mean, it's also a bit of a nebulous and convoluted and kind of wonky world

00:33:50.140 somewhat. And having somebody, I guess, kind of dig into it and translate it for your average

00:33:54.060 viewer is important. So they're informed and they know what's going on in a nutshell

00:33:57.100 and can go deeper should they choose to with the information there.

00:33:59.740 That's exactly right. And you know, in something like Competition Act reform,

00:34:03.660 it sounds quite wonky, quite nerdy, not something that people are excited about.

00:34:06.860 But when you talk about fairness, when you talk about not letting monopolies, you know,

00:34:11.480 run this country, not letting them decide so many things that they do increasingly decide

00:34:16.320 for ordinary Canadians, people care a lot about those, that side of the conversation.

00:34:21.400 It's very important work.

00:34:23.200 So, you know, I appreciate what you guys are doing and, you know, shedding light on this

00:34:27.040 and then being nonpartisan.

00:34:27.940 I'm a very partisan individual.

00:34:29.320 I'm not with a party, but I've got my opinions.

00:34:31.280 But, you know, having a source is where you can look into and just get a balance on the

00:34:35.400 policies and the views is really important and appreciated.

00:34:38.580 So just one more time, is it openmedia.org?

00:34:41.980 That's right, yep, man.

00:34:43.700 Encourage everyone to come and join,

00:34:44.980 be part of our community.

00:34:46.360 Great, well, thank you very much for coming

00:34:48.060 to join us today, Matt,

00:34:49.460 and hope we can talk again sometime soon

00:34:51.360 and we get some success in pushing back

00:34:53.000 against some of this incursions on our privacy.

00:34:56.000 It's our pleasure, you take care.

00:34:57.240 Great, thank you.

00:34:58.960 So that was Matt Hatfield.

00:35:01.300 I'm not sure why I'm having difficulty with that one today,

00:35:03.120 and it's a simple one.

00:35:04.260 Uh, and, uh, that is with openmedia.org.

00:35:09.000 Um, let's see, uh, you know, Chris, okay.

00:35:13.100 I, you know, let's have some talk.

00:35:14.300 Chris Everett saying, I wonder if Western Standard is going to start reading this chat.

00:35:16.860 So I'm reading it right now.

00:35:18.300 Uh, there's more truth telling in the chat.

00:35:20.360 Maybe Western Standard needs to dig in a lot deeper still.

00:35:23.000 Well, share what you got, man.

00:35:25.600 That's what it's there for.

00:35:26.540 And I appreciate it.

00:35:27.500 I appreciate feedback.

00:35:28.960 You know, that's what the, uh, uh, the chat window is for, as long as we're being, you

00:35:33.700 know, civil and polite with each other. That's the advantage of being live. Some of it too,

00:35:39.040 though, as you see, my head kind of goes back and forth, back and forth. I try not to look too hard

00:35:42.600 at the chat while I'm talking with a guest because it's kind of impolite and I might not hear exactly

00:35:46.200 what they're saying. But I've gotten some fantastic stuff from the chat, of course, from people

00:35:50.560 bringing up prospective guests or questions or ideas I wouldn't have thought of in the interview.

00:35:55.340 And I appreciate you putting them up there. I mean, again, I've even had some nice little spats

00:36:00.660 with the people putting things up in the chat.

00:36:02.460 You know, that's part of the fun as well.

00:36:04.820 And you can discuss with each other.

00:36:06.200 It's a great opportunity with this kind of platform.

00:36:09.200 You know, the old days of talk radio,

00:36:10.860 you get people phoning in, things like that.

00:36:12.760 In case we got a chat window

00:36:14.620 and as long as people aren't spamming it

00:36:16.420 or being abusive, they can go for it.

00:36:18.420 But I do read them, I do watch them.

00:36:20.300 And, you know, I don't react to every one of them.

00:36:23.080 I only have so much time and so on.

00:36:25.120 But by all means, use that chat option

00:36:27.300 and, you know, let's keep a discussion going.

00:36:29.540 That's the thing.

00:36:29.920 That's the advantage of live.

00:36:31.480 I assure you, my world, Nico's world, everybody's world would be a heck of a lot easier if we were actually a recorded show.

00:36:37.360 And we could schedule and record interviews and things like that.

00:36:41.600 But the live part, the interactivity is what's important, taking things as they break and as they go.

00:36:46.100 So keep the comments coming and we'll keep fine tuning and going as we do.

00:36:52.900 So let's get into a little more news.

00:36:55.420 Actually, no, I'm going to speak to one of my sponsors before I get there.

00:36:57.580 Okay, let's get there.

00:36:58.320 Canadian Shooting Sports Association.

00:37:01.380 The head of them is Tony Bernardo, by the way,

00:37:03.520 and he's been a good advocate for firearms,

00:37:05.260 you know, responsible, safe use of firearms.

00:37:07.840 That's the big thing that has to be distinguished.

00:37:11.040 People sometimes, particularly people

00:37:12.660 who don't own firearms, and that's fine, you know,

00:37:14.400 but we seem to forget,

00:37:15.520 and it's something we're all bad for with human nature.

00:37:19.920 We've got to remember,

00:37:20.980 just because that person wants to do it,

00:37:22.320 but I don't do it,

00:37:23.300 I still should stand up and protect their right to do it.

00:37:26.720 And a lot of people, their urban living,

00:37:28.320 they don't utilize firearms. They aren't tools within their lives. And that's perfectly fine as

00:37:31.740 well. But they often think, well, I don't need it. So why would anybody else? Well, don't think that

00:37:35.560 way. It's not right. It's not good for you. Criminal use of firearms. I mean, legal firearms,

00:37:39.900 see, they don't make the news. You don't hear about the millions of responsible firearm owners

00:37:43.720 in Canada because they don't commit crimes with them. But they're all out there. They're all over

00:37:47.580 the place. They're all around you. I don't want to make people feel paranoid. But the firearms are

00:37:51.060 everywhere. Canada is actually one of the most highly civilian armed countries on the planet.

00:37:54.740 We're second as far as developed countries after the United States for civilians being armed.

00:38:00.960 People don't realize that.

00:38:02.320 But thankfully, we don't have those crime levels.

00:38:04.340 Either way, part of it is because of organizations like the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.

00:38:08.680 This is where firearms owners or aspiring firearms owners can network.

00:38:13.340 This is where you can get information on responsible use of firearms, on events, on things you can do.

00:38:17.920 Trap shooting, collecting, hunting, all of those things.

00:38:22.080 The Canadian Shooting Sports Association has those resources for it.

00:38:24.420 That's what an association is about.

00:38:26.040 And you can communicate with other firearm owners,

00:38:27.820 see where there's trade shows, things such as that.

00:38:30.040 Also, of course, they lobby on your behalf.

00:38:31.700 And as we see what's going on in the federal government,

00:38:33.820 it's as important as ever.

00:38:35.600 They're coming for the firearms.

00:38:36.720 They don't want you to have them.

00:38:38.520 This is an ideological push from Justin Trudeau.

00:38:41.680 And we got to push back.

00:38:43.460 So this is now more than ever.

00:38:45.940 Seriously, get on there.

00:38:47.600 You got to join these guys.

00:38:48.500 This is for your own sake.

00:38:50.220 Get a membership because that's how they can afford

00:38:51.980 to keep lobbying and pushing on your behalf.

00:38:54.080 and it's not that much.

00:38:55.760 And there's all sorts of other resources too.

00:38:57.240 So get out there, cssa-cila.org,

00:39:00.900 the Canadian Shooting Sports Association,

00:39:03.300 because guys, we're just not going to be doing well

00:39:07.720 if we let them carry on like they have.

00:39:09.900 Speaking of federal incompetence,

00:39:11.360 let's look at some of this news.

00:39:12.220 This gets a little personal with me too,

00:39:13.420 not a giant deal,

00:39:14.220 but it's saying you should send your complaints

00:39:16.660 to members of parliament.

00:39:18.680 Canadians now wait an average of three months

00:39:20.980 to renew a passport.

00:39:22.580 This happened to me just last, we were getting into last fall.

00:39:25.840 I think it got to like five months.

00:39:27.320 All I was doing was renewing.

00:39:28.560 I brought in everything.

00:39:29.300 I did everything right.

00:39:29.880 I went into the office in person and it was a pain.

00:39:32.660 This was last year.

00:39:33.920 So we had to be all masked up and sanitized and it was hard to get there.

00:39:37.160 But I wanted to make sure that, you know, every T was crossed and every I dotted and

00:39:40.460 I got it in there.

00:39:41.400 It's still months and months and phoning their 1-800 number and they wouldn't give me answers

00:39:44.620 and run around, run around.

00:39:46.100 My vacation was coming up in January.

00:39:47.660 I wanted to cross the border.

00:39:49.580 My passport would have been expired.

00:39:50.920 and actually the way it got done, credit where it's due, I called John Barlow. He's my member

00:39:56.760 of parliament. It's his office. And they responded on my behalf and actually reached out and inquired.

00:40:02.780 They've got different phone numbers and different email addresses. They can get a hold where you

00:40:05.820 can't. And within weeks, I had my passport. Like these bureaucrats will just sit on it and sit on

00:40:11.800 it and sit on it until the fire gets lit under their butt by somebody higher up. I mean, it 0.98

00:40:15.880 shouldn't be taking months like this. God knows they've had nothing else to do for two years while

00:40:19.380 they sat in lockdown working from home, paid full. But either way, there's some good advice in that

00:40:25.800 story. Just if you're like I was, and you're waiting a long time, and this is something

00:40:31.040 surprising, actually good advice out of the minister saying contact your MP, and that'll

00:40:35.540 speed it up. I mean, you shouldn't have to, it shouldn't be what you need to do. The bottom line

00:40:40.100 is your taxpayer, you're paying for that renewal, you should just get this done. And they should all

00:40:45.480 be done in a decent uh period of time but they haven't been uh you know it's another one of those

00:40:50.760 areas that the liberals are just destroying us though is travel inward and outward you know i

00:40:55.220 mean that that came up as well i mean there was a house motion we saw that in the news and it was

00:41:00.720 just voted down completely uh on lifting the bloody travel restrictions the vaccine come on

00:41:07.440 guys why are you well we know why it's control it's similar to the firearm legislation they don't

00:41:14.280 care about the actual outcome. It's intent. You know, they just want to control this is an

00:41:20.820 authoritarian regime. There's no getting around that this government loves control all the way

00:41:25.500 from the Emergencies Act to maintaining being one of the only countries left in the world is

00:41:29.520 maintaining these vaccine mandates for no legitimate scientific reason any longer.

00:41:35.500 And it's costing us. So even if you aren't being able to travel outward, but that still costs us

00:41:40.980 all. The inward travel, as I was relating earlier, when I went to the States a couple of weeks ago,

00:41:45.280 I got across the border down south in minutes. Coming back, I had to wait an hour and change

00:41:49.920 because we're busy scanning and checking and making sure everybody's vaccinated. It's ridiculous. 0.63

00:41:55.120 And same sort of thing with these passports, like everything. We should not be hindering 0.72

00:41:58.580 our citizens like this. This is Canada seem more and more like a third world country every bloody

00:42:03.660 day. This is not a complicated thing, especially this is passport renewals. We're not even talking

00:42:09.800 about getting a new one. We're talking about somebody who's five or thankfully you can get

00:42:14.680 a 10-year renewal, which I did because I don't want to go through that again for a long time.

00:42:18.460 And you've got all the information there. You've proven who you are. I mean, I can get my driver's

00:42:22.200 license renewed in a week. Why the hell has it taken these ding-dongs months and months to renew

00:42:26.320 a bloody passport? Meanwhile, yeah, people are missing vacations. People are getting stressed. 0.99

00:42:31.080 And yeah, it also says applicants who attempted to phone a 1-800 number. Yeah. Expect to wait

00:42:35.320 up to 55 minutes yeah i know i did that last year and i got no satisfaction they gave me the run

00:42:41.600 around and it said in february they're getting 50 000 calls a week well maybe it's because you're 0.99

00:42:45.620 idiots get the bloody job done how much money is going towards you guys either way if you're 0.99

00:42:51.820 looking to travel if you're looking to move and i mean obviously the government doesn't move fast 1.00

00:42:56.340 on anything unless they want to move in on infringing on your rights get out there sooner

00:43:01.400 rather than later and renew those passports because who knows how long it's going to take

00:43:04.420 So that's another part of advice there. Now, this is an interesting one too. This is a Senate bill

00:43:09.680 that's been sliding under the radar. It's S7. And this is, we talked briefly about that a little

00:43:15.140 while ago, speaking again about privacy. Damn, I should have asked Matt about that one as well. 0.94

00:43:19.740 I'm not sure if those guys have worked on this one, but it's kind of related. And this bill would 0.93

00:43:23.620 give border guards the ability to search your cell phone, force it, you know, force you to

00:43:31.380 give your password, your information to these officers, and without a warrant, without anything

00:43:37.840 other than their suspicion that you might have something that they need to see. This is not,

00:43:43.540 not again, yeah, as Pat's saying, the commenter, control, control, control. And that's what it is.

00:43:48.560 It's control. Again, it's back to control. It's my personal item. A cell phone isn't like it used

00:43:53.340 to be. It's not just something you, you know, flip open, dial, and take a fuzzy picture with. This is,

00:43:57.160 your life's on there. Your credit card information's on there. Your personal

00:44:00.080 communications are on there. Your family pictures are on there. And it should take a hell of a lot

00:44:05.860 to bring in the ability for some bureaucrat. And that's still what the border guard is. It's a

00:44:12.240 guarding one, but it's a civil servant. And to have them poking around in your phone on just

00:44:18.120 a suspicion of anything, it's ridiculous. And a liberal appointed senator, so let's give credit

00:44:24.240 where it's due, called it out, actually likened it to a fascist measure that would promote racial

00:44:30.320 profiling of all things. And Public Safety Minister Marco Mendocino, the Minister of Lying,

00:44:36.180 and I will always call him that because he has lied so many times so bald faced and he's he

00:44:40.460 really, really needs to be fired this man. He just spouts out the lies the second he's asked

00:44:45.320 anything. And of course, he's saying it's not a problem. It's a new legal threshold.

00:44:51.920 No, it's a problem.

00:44:54.520 It's a huge problem in your laptop, your tablets.

00:44:56.820 You can have sensitive business information on there.

00:44:59.180 I mean, I understand what they're saying

00:45:00.300 because that's where they play to the emotions again

00:45:02.320 and everything with their control.

00:45:03.580 Well, what if it's got child porn on it?

00:45:05.140 Well, do you have evidence that there's child porn on it?

00:45:08.840 Because if there isn't, that's not enough reason to go in. 0.86

00:45:10.560 I want to see these porn peddlers busted. 0.99

00:45:13.180 Absolutely, it's disgusting. 1.00

00:45:14.640 These are horrible people that should be locked up. 0.69

00:45:16.400 But it doesn't mean you should have the ability to,

00:45:18.520 at whim suddenly go into people's personal space and start searching. I mean, child porn collectors

00:45:25.420 probably keep it in their households as well. We don't want to empower the police to kick in

00:45:29.400 every door in the country to look for it. They would probably find some, but in the most part,

00:45:34.060 for the 99% of us who don't take part in that crap, we have our doors kicked in. Either way, 0.98

00:45:39.100 this is another bill. Every bill out of this liberal government is trying to infringe your

00:45:44.000 rights. They are obsessed with taking control. And people, you've got to pay attention to these

00:45:49.340 guys. I mean, I've been a political weenie and watcher for all of my adult life. And I've never

00:45:55.500 seen anything like this. I've never seen a government so obsessed with infringing on

00:46:01.540 individual rights and taking control of your life as this liberal government is. And they're

00:46:05.700 continuing to be. Everything, everything we keep talking about, C7, or no, this is S7, C11, C18,

00:46:12.360 Now this firearm bill, the Emergency Measures Act.

00:46:15.460 Like, it just doesn't stop.

00:46:17.300 We've got to be scared, guys.

00:46:19.760 You will have no privacy if we let this government keep going.

00:46:23.140 No privacy, no right.

00:46:25.040 Can't move around.

00:46:27.560 Either way, this was a liberal senator, and I've criticized the liberal senators.

00:46:31.820 He was liberal appointed.

00:46:32.840 That's the term we've got to keep using because Trudeau said it's very independent now.

00:46:36.800 They're not really part of it.

00:46:37.520 Oh, spare me.

00:46:38.780 Watch Paula Simon's performance in there. 1.00

00:46:40.580 Oh, she's liberal.

00:46:41.200 don't worry guys. But all the same, credit where due this David Richards from New Brunswick

00:46:46.380 compared the bill to police tactics and fascist Spain. He says, I find this arbitrary and intrusive

00:46:52.520 and I don't think what you said today convinces me otherwise. And that's what he was saying to

00:46:56.320 the minister of lying. Of course not. Anybody who listens to that minister knows about him.

00:46:59.260 You can't be convinced anything he says. He's a liar, chronic liar. And he says, 1.00

00:47:04.360 same kind of searches I witnessed in Spain during Franco. Like this is a fellow who's been there

00:47:07.780 and seen it. Who gets to decide whom to search, and how in God's name can we ever be fair or

00:47:12.240 impartial during these searches? But this is where the government's going, and they're ramrodding it

00:47:16.320 through. Something else that's unusual is they're putting it through in a Senate bill.

00:47:20.360 You know, the government, Senate bills are difficult ones to get through. It's a convoluted

00:47:25.080 way to get one done. It can certainly happen. Senate bills have been passed into law, but rarely.

00:47:29.960 Often it's for virtue signaling, for getting something into committee. But in this case,

00:47:33.700 this bill, this C7, looks like it might move the works. It'll still actually have to go to

00:47:36.860 Parliament. But again, why? Why are they so eager to constantly get into our personal lives?

00:47:44.700 So either way, it's getting some harsh criticism in the Senate, and I'm happy for that. Maybe

00:47:48.720 that's part of the reason they're starting in the Senate and hoping to end in the Parliament,

00:47:52.520 because they have a lot less control in Senate than they do in the Parliament right now. In

00:47:55.840 Parliament, they've got the unholy alliance between Trudeau and Singh, so they can get stuff done,

00:47:59.560 and they get done fast. So maybe they're thinking we can rip off the Band-Aid with S7, get the

00:48:04.340 the harder discussion out of the way early in the bill, rather than getting it through parliament

00:48:07.980 and then having the public realize what's going on once it hits the Senate. This way they'll have

00:48:12.080 inoculated themselves a little. I don't know. But this trend is just continuing. Every motion this

00:48:18.540 bloody government puts forward seems to be trying a little more to infringe on your privacy,

00:48:23.420 infringe on your right to travel, infringe on your right to choose medical practices. It just

00:48:28.140 doesn't stop. This is an obsessed government. And I'm getting more and more worried. I've never

00:48:31.680 seen anything like this in my life. Getting on to virtue signaling and taking advantage of a

00:48:36.980 catastrophe and not in the case of the liberals taking advantage of the American catastrophe.

00:48:42.500 But we're talking about the residential school thing and this story. We're going to get onto

00:48:46.860 that with Professor Flanagan. And again, we had him on a little while ago because now people are

00:48:52.200 finally asking some questions. That's what I'm talking about too. We need more scrutiny of these

00:48:55.540 things. We got to dig deeper and find out what's really happening. And as we dig deeper on this

00:49:00.120 whole alleged graves being found on residential school sites, we're finding out that it's not

00:49:06.300 quite what everybody thought it was when it first got rolling there. And the mainstream has finally

00:49:11.200 picked up on it. They were behind the curve, but they're finally jumping in. So let's bring

00:49:14.500 Professor Flanagan in and discuss this a little further. I see you in the lobby there. Hi, Tom,

00:49:18.920 how are you doing? Hi, Corey. Just give me a minute here. Yeah, okay, here we go. Yeah,

00:49:27.460 I'm doing well.

00:49:28.520 Good.

00:49:28.840 Yeah, sorry.

00:49:29.320 We could pop you into the show pretty unexpectedly at times.

00:49:32.600 No worries there.

00:49:34.440 And I appreciate you just bringing it up because, you know, it took some pushing.

00:49:38.080 It took some prodding on your part, on the part of Professor Rubenstein and the other one, Rulliard.

00:49:44.600 Getting out there and saying, look, you know, this whole thing that's been going on, there's a lot of pieces that don't fit or there's a lot of discussion that's not happening or a lot of assumptions are being made about what happened that aren't accurate.

00:49:56.040 And finally, it seems to hit a tipping point, though, where we're having a public discussion on what actually happened with these residential schools and these burial sites.

00:50:04.260 Yeah, it's interesting how what we've been doing, a group has been digging into the issue and publishing our findings.

00:50:13.960 At the beginning, we were pretty much frozen out of what you might call the legacy media or corporate media.

00:50:19.340 um we published in uh let's call it alternative media like western standard true north

00:50:26.200 um dorchester reviews it's a small historical journal um and we published quite a bit of stuff

00:50:33.880 putting forth a different interpretation about the unmarked graves finally last week we had a bit of

00:50:38.880 a breakthrough into the legacy media there was a big spread in national post i expect many of your

00:50:45.180 viewers have seen that uh by by Terry Glavin um front page and not only front page but

00:50:54.240 several internal pages I mean much larger than any newspaper normally

00:50:59.580 grants space to an author so it was really quite a landmark and in addition to that there was

00:51:05.420 coverage in the New York Post which is the oldest newspaper in the United States and in several

00:51:10.880 quebec newspapers so it's a bit of a landmark for us in trying to broaden the discussion and we hope

00:51:17.840 we hope there will be lots more yeah i don't like driving too many of our viewers to other outlets

00:51:22.480 but that's okay i mean glavin's piece was outstanding and as you said it's rare when

00:51:26.400 we you know you get such a long one particularly in a print medium i mean that takes uh i would

00:51:31.600 imagine there was a lot of discussion before going into something that controversial and going that

00:51:34.960 deep between the editors like do we want to go there do we want to give him this much ink on

00:51:38.960 on this issue and and it's happy to see that they did yeah i'm sure there was i'm sure it was

00:51:43.420 discussed it's also interesting that about a year ago mr glavin published a much shorter column

00:51:49.700 about the findings in kamloops which took a sort of a conventional point of view that

00:51:55.420 yes these were unmarked graves and wasn't terrible and on and on and on so he's he's really reversed

00:52:01.960 himself over the course of the year he doesn't say why uh perhaps uh the publications of our

00:52:08.220 group have had have had something to do with that i don't care where where it comes from but the

00:52:13.720 point is that now a different view of this is uh is getting a wider audience and i think that's

00:52:20.060 terrific yeah absolutely and i mean we don't ever want to punish people for just admitting even if

00:52:25.240 he didn't go into the admitting he was wrong but just changing the view hey if he's changing

00:52:28.240 correctly then good on him and as you said maybe it was because of reading uh and there was some

00:52:32.840 stuff in the dorchester uh times as well that really dug into that a fair amount too well that's

00:52:37.720 Professor Riyard's article was a bit of a bombshell.

00:52:41.560 I mean, it got – well, I haven't looked at the number recently,

00:52:45.820 but at one time it was way over 100,000 hits for something published on –

00:52:51.800 put up on the website of a fairly small circulation historical –

00:52:56.640 it's absolutely unprecedented.

00:52:58.980 And that showed that there was a hunger for getting the truth

00:53:02.460 about these so-called unmarked graves.

00:53:04.780 So we've been working on it ever since.

00:53:06.540 And, you know, we're making a little progress.

00:53:09.260 But the politicians are deeply invested in the story.

00:53:13.000 I mean, the prime minister with his half-masked flags and now he's got the governor general talking about it as well.

00:53:22.100 It's going to be hard for them to climb down because they have made such an ostentatious display of allegiance to a story for which there are, in fact, no supporting facts.

00:53:32.220 I repeat, absolutely no facts.

00:53:35.220 Not one burial has been found.

00:53:38.620 With all the hype and publicity,

00:53:42.680 ground-penetrating radar has found some soil disturbances,

00:53:46.620 which could conceivably be burials,

00:53:48.960 particularly when they go looking in cemeteries.

00:53:51.680 It's not surprising that they might come up with a burial.

00:53:54.560 But absolutely no evidence that any of these are burials of so-called missing children.

00:54:01.120 So it's, I repeat, it's the biggest fake news story in my lifetime, you know, perhaps since the New York Times cover-up of the Holocaust in the Ukraine and this mass starvation in the Ukraine, I guess, was a bigger fake news story.

00:54:19.800 But this is a big one.

00:54:22.300 Well, and a very socially damaging one.

00:54:25.140 A lot of people took that to heart.

00:54:26.780 And, I mean, a lot of people were horrified.

00:54:28.480 If you read it on the surface when it initially was breaking, and if you believe that that's what was happening, that they were really abusing these children en masse and hiding the burials, I mean, it's mortifying.

00:54:39.380 And, you know, you're correcting the record later, but a lot of the damage and trust and emotion and things has happened.

00:54:45.280 Like, where do you go to start recovering from this?

00:54:48.020 No, I know what you mean, Corey.

00:54:50.140 Tremendous damage has been done.

00:54:51.500 First, we had the Truth and Reconciliation Commission accusing Canada of cultural genocide.

00:54:56.680 and now with the claims about unmarked graves it sort of moves into a literal physical genocide

00:55:03.940 and you know unless you read these stories very carefully they are horrifying now if you read

00:55:10.440 carefully you start to see details that don't add up like claims that six-year-olds were

00:55:17.860 rousted out of bed in the middle of the night to go dig graves and that babies were thrown into

00:55:24.440 furnaces and and the bodies were seen hanging on meat hooks in the barn you know a lot of these

00:55:31.320 details um you know they go beyond the unlikely into the into the realm of the virtually impossible

00:55:39.720 but not everybody researches stories that carefully you know and how can they people

00:55:43.720 have busy lives and they look at the headlines so yeah tremendous tremendous harm has been done

00:55:49.480 already yeah anecdotal evidence you know i mean it really has to be examined particularly when

00:55:55.560 it's verbal and and uh such emotional matter i mean the people saying some of those stories

00:56:00.040 might have heard them from somewhere and a friend of a friend but that shouldn't be making newsprint

00:56:03.560 unless you can verify things like that something that horrific um this for people with long

00:56:09.400 memories and maybe you have to be a little bit gray-haired for this but remember the uh the moral

00:56:15.160 panic about um daycare centers and there was all kinds of testimony about awful sexual uh

00:56:22.840 assaults taking place in daycare centers and people went to jail for it fortunately nobody

00:56:27.880 was executed uh you know and it all turned out to be complete nonsense uh overheated imaginations

00:56:35.560 of children being asked leading questions a lot of the details in these stories are actually

00:56:40.040 reminiscent of the daycare center moral panics. And there are some, we haven't got time to just

00:56:47.140 explore it today, but there are some actual historical linkages between those stories and

00:56:52.860 the ones that we hear now. Well, and I think perhaps a little bit of both is what more

00:56:57.520 emotional area can you get than the care and safety of your children? In both cases, it's

00:57:01.540 something that really gets people fearful and empathizing. I mean, you can imagine if somebody

00:57:05.180 else's child is abused, you're horrified as well on their behalf. Yeah, absolutely.

00:57:10.040 and you understand why people react to it.

00:57:12.940 But when you look analytically at it,

00:57:15.220 what's happening here is,

00:57:18.560 well, so-called oral tradition.

00:57:22.420 It's always, you know,

00:57:24.160 not somebody who saw these things,

00:57:25.940 but somebody who talked to somebody who saw these things.

00:57:28.200 It's that kind of testimony,

00:57:30.520 which gets passed down and gets exaggerated.

00:57:33.360 It's like the game of telephone

00:57:34.640 where you whisper around a circle

00:57:36.660 and the story keeps changing as it gets carried on.

00:57:40.040 So but to come back to the starting point here, I think what's really important is the complete irresponsibility of the corporate or legacy media who picked up these stories as soon as they came out and started to run with them and did not ask elementary questions that any good researcher would ask.

00:58:00.540 like what is the factual evidence for these claims uh the new york times for heaven's sake supposed

00:58:06.380 to be the leading newspaper in the world published a story about mass graves in kamloops you know

00:58:13.260 exaggeration upon exaggeration and these are supposed to be the leading uh uh parts of our

00:58:20.220 of our news media i mean i say thank god for outlets like the western standard which uh are

00:58:26.460 not part of this. That's really, I think, the story for today is the complete irresponsibility

00:58:34.860 of the legacy media on this story. Now, will they correct themselves? Self-correction is not a

00:58:42.940 common feature of human beings, Cory, so none of us like to admit what we've been wrong, but

00:58:47.980 they were absolutely wrong. Yeah, well, and as Nico brought up, you saw when I've seen that

00:58:53.500 image of one of the pastors we had from from Professor Rubenstein you know asking this this

00:58:57.580 was a few months ago uh why can't we find Kent is missing residential school students and we

00:59:02.060 published that and it was well written and well sourced and uh it did okay you know but we also

00:59:07.180 got some pushback some negative emails saying oh you guys you know you're trying to you know deny

00:59:11.580 a tragedy and otherwise it just didn't boom i mean some of the incentive for even smaller media outlets

00:59:16.540 or bigger is the sensational the horror is going to grab you the clicks and uh it's so measurable

00:59:21.980 now with with digital and i think they feel inclined to just they want to sensationalize

00:59:27.800 the horror of this unfortunately yeah well the pushback is starting now in the legacy media there

00:59:33.220 was an editorial today in the winnipeg free press or not an editorial but a guest column by negan

00:59:38.480 sinclair who's the son of murray sinclair he's uh the younger sinclair is a professor of

00:59:44.180 of indigenous studies at the university of manitoba but he embarrassed himself by going

00:59:50.120 on a long rant, which has no factual content at all. It's political rather than professorial. He

00:59:56.500 doesn't deal in logic and fact. It's a long exercise in name calling, you know, that I'm too

01:00:03.420 old, I'm too white, you know, et cetera, et cetera. It's really an embarrassment for somebody who was

01:00:10.320 employed by the public as a professor to be putting out that kind of argument. But that

01:00:15.640 kind of abuse is going to come. I think there will be a lot of pushback of that type. But we're

01:00:20.020 going to keep plugging away and presenting fact and try and make yard by yard a little progress

01:00:25.480 well and the facts are there i mean there was somewhere when i had uh professor rubinstein on

01:00:30.260 this show before and i i'd stated actually in a question saying well it must be hard you know

01:00:35.360 there couldn't be many records from the schools from back then and things like that and he said

01:00:38.460 no no no it's very well documented where the children were where they're transferred and in

01:00:43.360 fact these schools that's the way they got paid if you didn't document who you had and where they

01:00:47.680 were you know even if you're just looking on the self-interest level they had every interest in

01:00:51.440 documenting it and those documents still exist we can find out who passed away where and where

01:00:55.280 they were buried or who went home there's no missing children well absolutely i mean you

01:00:59.280 know to take one example the claim is that possibly 200 or 215 unmarked graves were discovered at

01:01:05.760 kamloops well the truth and reconciliation commission itself to compile a list of 51

01:01:12.400 children who died while attending the school at Kamloops but that's over a period of more than 100

01:01:18.160 years for the largest residential school in Canada I mean that's not a lot of fatalities all deaths

01:01:24.860 are sad but in 100 years and at a time when there were no antibiotics and tuberculosis and other

01:01:31.760 diseases were killers of children it's not a huge total anyway 51 not 200 51 deaths were documented

01:01:39.920 at the school and death certificates are available for these children in the archives of the province

01:01:47.320 of British Columbia but the TRC didn't look there so you get the implication that there's something

01:01:54.120 wrong with these deaths well the death certificate showed that what did they die of well tuberculosis

01:02:01.320 tragically sometimes runaways got accidents most of them were sent back for burial to their

01:02:08.380 home reserves again contrary to what is often said there are no missing children you know

01:02:16.780 they're all accounted for the the whole missing children thing is a is a fable based upon

01:02:23.840 misuse or over overlooking historical sources that are there

01:02:29.000 you know it's really a disgrace that the trc spent so much public money and ended up generating so

01:02:35.900 many legends uh without making proper use of sources that would have been readily available

01:02:41.600 to it yeah and i mean you know the investigation even at the time it was surprising out of

01:02:46.960 journalism because i mean you still to a degree you want to get those those scoops and things

01:02:50.780 like that like with the famous or you can almost call it infamous picture of trudeau kneeling with

01:02:54.720 the the teddy bear at a cemetery and his head down the photo opportunity that one uh was covered in

01:03:00.680 glavin's story as well it was countered immediately they're saying this is a known cemetery there's

01:03:04.960 nothing discovered here this was all documented uh why why didn't they counter trudeau at the

01:03:09.840 time say dude you're you're well you know yeah that's right many of the more responsible

01:03:16.100 indigenous leaders got out right away and said look uh these these are cemeteries uh of course

01:03:23.100 you're going to find burials there but uh they're they're not necessarily from a residential school

01:03:29.220 But, you know, Mr. Trudeau, unfortunately, is impervious to facts.

01:03:33.800 And he sees an opportunity to display emotion and he takes advantage of it.

01:03:39.860 So, you know, you can't blame citizens when they see their prime minister and the governor general pushing this story.

01:03:48.440 And all the legacy media are pushing it and indigenous leaders are pushing it.

01:03:52.720 You can't blame ordinary people for believing it.

01:03:56.160 so we've got an uphill struggle here to to get the facts out but as i say we do think we're

01:04:00.960 making a little progress yeah well people you know themselves your average people are busy they're

01:04:05.360 only going to research so far they read the media so that theoretically they're getting information

01:04:09.280 without having to do all that that's supposed to be our job to get out there so you're still

01:04:14.240 working on this with some other individuals and digging into this yes we are republishing

01:04:19.600 wherever we can sometimes in the alternative media uh you know we'd love to break into the

01:04:25.200 The legacy media on this issue were still, I think, shut out.

01:04:28.620 But Terry Glavin got in there.

01:04:30.940 Now, Glavin has an advantage.

01:04:32.700 He doesn't have the reputation of being conservative.

01:04:36.500 I don't know what his politics are.

01:04:38.120 They're hard to pin down.

01:04:40.080 But he certainly is kind of an independent.

01:04:42.620 So I guess that gave him an advantage in telling the story.

01:04:45.380 And I think that's great.

01:04:47.500 That shows that this goes beyond.

01:04:50.400 It's got nothing to do with ideology, really.

01:04:52.780 It's not whether you're conservative or liberal.

01:04:55.200 whether you can are able to establish historical fact yeah glavin has no political agenda and that

01:05:01.120 that always does help in that case and not to say that that you do or or mr uh really aren't

01:05:07.040 or anybody else but yourself you've been very politically involved in the past and people could

01:05:10.480 use that to claim that this is a got some sort of political motivation so uh but again the more

01:05:15.680 voices getting it out there and basing it on fact the better so good to see you guys are still at

01:05:20.640 it and the cracks are showing in the legacy media they're starting to accept this now

01:05:25.200 Yeah, I think so. We'll see how it goes. It's not going to be easy. It never is.

01:05:29.780 And there'll be a lot of abuse showered down on us along the way.

01:05:34.040 But as I say, this is not really a political issue. It's a factual historical issue.

01:05:40.300 And I would hope that all people of intelligence and goodwill can agree upon historical evidence and historical fact and can recognize fake news when they see it.

01:05:53.240 Well, I appreciate the work you've been doing and the work you're going to carry on doing.

01:05:58.840 I hope we can talk again soon as more information surfaces.

01:06:01.760 Maybe we could just, it's going to take a while, but we can correct this wrong and maybe set an example so we don't see something like this happen again.

01:06:07.600 Okay.

01:06:07.920 Well, thanks for looking into the story, Corey.

01:06:09.900 We appreciate it.

01:06:10.960 Great.

01:06:11.280 Thank you.

01:06:12.380 Okay.

01:06:12.780 Bye-bye.

01:06:13.160 Bye.

01:06:14.820 Professor Tom Flanagan.

01:06:16.240 And as we said, yes, he's done a lot on this along with some other professors and they've been pushing.

01:06:20.240 and it's a hard wall to hit getting it into.

01:06:23.980 And hey, alternative media, we can get word out,

01:06:26.740 whereas the legacy media won't at times,

01:06:29.460 but you still need that legacy media.

01:06:30.820 There's a whole lot of readers, viewers, and so on

01:06:32.740 who just don't get there yet.

01:06:35.680 So it was something this important

01:06:37.580 encountering the misinformation,

01:06:40.040 as I said, damaging misinformation,

01:06:42.340 need to push on that.

01:06:44.540 Sylvia, a commenter, was asking,

01:06:46.740 didn't we just talk about this?

01:06:47.700 I had Professor Flanagan on a couple of weeks ago,

01:06:51.480 I'm thinking it might be, it's been a little while,

01:06:53.520 but for me, usually I keep my guests

01:06:55.180 at least a month apart,

01:06:56.080 but still, this is still an ongoing issue and breaking.

01:07:00.220 Plus what was different this time, as you said,

01:07:03.260 the New York Post covered it,

01:07:05.960 the National Post covered it.

01:07:07.440 These are major publications.

01:07:09.020 This is getting to a whole new level of people

01:07:11.880 and we've got to keep it alive.

01:07:13.240 What's the next myth that's gonna divide Canadians up

01:07:16.440 with again?

01:07:17.700 after this one? What sort of government actions are going to be done on a fake news story? Because

01:07:23.440 we've put the whole country on edge over this. We've dedicated incredible amounts of spending

01:07:28.300 and investigations. And we really have, for the people who believe those stories,

01:07:32.700 it really ripped into a lot of emotions for them. And if it turns out they're untrue,

01:07:36.120 this was very irresponsible. This was very damaging. And this is going to take a long

01:07:39.780 time to correct. Some people might not believe the corrections. So let's correct this. And let's

01:07:46.280 again, see how we can stop this sort of hysteria from going. Like, that's what got me going with

01:07:51.140 Glavin's piece as he wrote on it. And he mentioned the chiefs and I believe a Catholic official

01:07:55.740 saying, look, Trudeau was kneeling in a known graveyard. You know, anybody could do that. I

01:07:59.820 could go to the Union Cemetery in Calgary and kneel with a teddy bear for a photo op.

01:08:05.600 That's essentially what Trudeau did. This wasn't some new discovery. This wasn't a mass grave,

01:08:09.640 as people put it. And nobody's saying that there's no graves down there. They were unmarked.

01:08:14.220 That's unmarked.

01:08:16.240 Again, if you remember,

01:08:17.100 if you've been to old cemeteries,

01:08:18.260 particularly ones with lower budgets,

01:08:19.640 they usually were marked with a wooden cross.

01:08:21.460 Well, after 80, 90 years, those crosses are gone.

01:08:23.760 They degrade, they fall apart.

01:08:26.080 Some people, you know, I mean, we should exhume,

01:08:28.180 I think, if we're going to be this serious about this,

01:08:29.780 not all of them, but a number

01:08:30.780 and prove that there actually are

01:08:32.160 because some of these could be

01:08:33.080 different types of anomalies in the GPR,

01:08:36.820 but also, you know, dig into the records.

01:08:39.480 Why was somebody buried in that spot?

01:08:41.240 There were others that were exposed

01:08:42.420 that there was some cemeteries

01:08:43.820 that have been labeled as unmarked cemeteries and discovered again in the First Nations made the

01:08:48.300 news. It turns out they were actually settlers. There were different groups of people altogether

01:08:52.440 had nothing to do with residential schools. But we're getting all of this after the fact. It kind

01:08:56.600 of reminds me of, you know, when a newspaper blows something up really badly, a week later,

01:09:00.800 somewhere way back on page 39, oh, there's a little paragraph of a retraction. Oh, sorry about that.

01:09:04.940 That was bullshit. Can't let it go. This was a big deal. Trudeau, yeah, invested a lot of capital on 0.99

01:09:12.100 that. He kneeled on those things. He asked us all to weep. He lowered our Canadian flag for the

01:09:17.740 first time in Canadian history for months. Months. He had to be pushed to rise it back up because

01:09:22.300 he loved that national virtue signaling that everywhere you went, you saw a flag at half

01:09:27.640 masked because we're supposed to be ashamed of ourselves for being Canadian and that this issue

01:09:32.380 was supposedly real. So yeah, you know, we'll keep discussing it and keep working on these.

01:09:37.680 I mean, nobody, I don't think in the right mind is saying that the residential schools were a good 0.99

01:09:41.500 idea, whether they were right. They were the right idea at the time of what they felt. Sure. 1.00

01:09:45.500 And I think there's actually some good intention behind, you know, not good outcomes, good

01:09:50.280 intention or what they felt was good intention. It doesn't mean it's right. And it doesn't mean

01:09:55.540 there wasn't abuse in those schools. It doesn't mean, I mean, we know predators and nasty people

01:09:59.740 gravitate towards things like that, boarding schools, the church, things like that, where

01:10:04.500 they can get unfettered access to unprotected children. It's happened. Happens outside of

01:10:08.780 the residential schools as well. And I'm so, I'm certain it's happened there as well. And that's

01:10:12.720 awful. And we should investigate. And if anybody's still alive, we should hold them accountable.

01:10:17.120 But at the same time, we can't expand what that whole thing is.

01:10:21.860 Sylvia is saying we have several graves. We don't know who it is because the markers deteriorated

01:10:26.440 years ago. It's a fact of life. Yeah. You know, a side story, when I was working oil exploration up

01:10:30.780 in upstate New York, near a town near Norwich, and it's kind of mountainous, north end of the

01:10:34.820 Appalachians. I was just talking to Jane about that the other day. We're using bush mulchers and

01:10:38.560 a unit there to cut for a seismic line. So I get a call on the radio from the operator. He says,

01:10:45.000 oh, you better come here. And so what? And it's very thick bush out there. He had actually mulched

01:10:50.360 through a number. And these were stone headstones. They're very degraded and worn down. He crushed

01:10:57.180 up a couple of them. And once we started stomping through the bush, we found it at 12 or 14 by the

01:11:00.820 time we're done. So I went to the landowner. I thought, oh my God, this is it. We're going to get

01:11:04.160 just in horrific trouble here. This is probably his ancestors. And he said, no, my father bought

01:11:08.480 this place in the 50s. I never even heard about these things. Grave sites get forgotten. These

01:11:13.760 were probably 200 or more years old, these ones. This guy didn't even know they were on his own

01:11:17.520 property. The bush is really thick there. It doesn't mean they were hidden grave sites. Family

01:11:21.240 plots were common. In that case, it was just the fact that they were stone headstones. We couldn't

01:11:26.040 read the dates. They were that worn, but at least that we knew it was a cemetery. If it was wooden

01:11:30.020 ones, we would have mulched right through and never known until perhaps we drilled and set some

01:11:33.260 dynamite and pulled up some bones or something. But so let's get to the facts. Let's get to what's

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01:13:14.220 Sorry, I get distracted.

01:13:15.200 I look at those comments because I like responding to it.

01:13:16.860 I see Sylvia saying, I'd rather someone show me how not to pay, not have to pay my utility bills at all.

01:13:21.300 Yeah, if I had the secret to that, I probably wouldn't have to come in here every day and work even.

01:13:25.120 I would be rich somewhere on an island.

01:13:27.500 Though I'd still like ranting at you from the island, perhaps.

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01:13:36.400 So let's go through a little more of the news.

01:13:37.760 This was something I started ranting about earlier.

01:13:39.120 Here's the full numbers of it, though.

01:13:40.200 Yeah, when it came to the motion to drop the vaccine mandates,

01:13:44.880 this just shows the futility of trying things in the House of Commons.

01:13:48.640 Like I was saying, 202 voted against that motion.

01:13:52.240 117 voted for it.

01:13:53.440 So, I mean, just a blowout.

01:13:54.560 It wasn't even close.

01:13:56.260 It wasn't even close.

01:13:57.380 Conservatives voted, yeah, you know, and of course the Liberals, NDP,

01:13:59.860 and Bloc Quebecois, and the Greens.

01:14:01.180 No, no, no, no.

01:14:01.640 We want to keep these mandates forever, I guess.

01:14:05.360 Candidates, you know, Lance, Melissa Lanceman, she's really, it's ironic.

01:14:08.780 She's been an effective member of parliament and standing out.

01:14:12.080 But really, I think out west or most of us didn't really hear a lot about them

01:14:15.040 until that Ibn Sel, Justin Trudeau, accused her of being a Nazi.

01:14:18.700 And she is very Jewish.

01:14:21.320 And she's been a Jewish activist.

01:14:23.800 You know, it's not that hidden or anything like that.

01:14:26.440 You know, their name is predominantly of Jewish origin. 1.00

01:14:29.920 It was so insulting and so idiotic. 1.00

01:14:31.640 out of Trudeau, as are so many of his actions that, you know, people were enraged. And either 1.00

01:14:40.980 way, she's become a very effective member of parliament. She's saying, you know, Canada

01:14:43.640 shouldn't be an outlier in the world. You know, let's do what other countries and then drop these

01:14:47.260 stupid mandates. They're costing us money. They're killing our tourism sector. So I'm glad she's 1.00

01:14:51.960 trying to hold them to account. As you see, the vote numbers are no good. We can't seem to beat

01:14:55.540 them on that front, but maybe at some point we can get rid of these idiots. Let's see. Commenter 1.00

01:15:00.740 Berlin saying, after the freezing accounts in Ottawa, how can you say digital currency is safe

01:15:04.100 and secure? They can't get, I know, they can't get your Bitcoin wallet. They can't. The government

01:15:11.120 has no access to it. That's the thing. If you're in a bank, you're in a regular bank, you're damn

01:15:14.580 right, they can get your money. But in Bitcoin, for example, if you get a ledger and other digital

01:15:20.720 currencies too, I'm not a massive expert. I just know this because I have my own in that though.

01:15:23.920 It's a data key with a 24 password thing. You'll see when you go into it, it's very secure and

01:15:29.520 it's not plugged into the web. It's not recorded where they have it. It's on there. And that's

01:15:33.860 why you gotta be careful. Cause if you lose that thing and you lose the password, it's gone.

01:15:36.720 It's okay. It's like a chunk of gold that's off to the side. If you lose it, you're out of luck.

01:15:40.920 So it's a separate thing. And perhaps if you don't trust Bitcoin, there are other digital

01:15:45.240 currencies, but look into those sorts of things. The government, I mean, they would love easy

01:15:50.340 access to these things. So I don't doubt it. And they're certainly trying, but they can't get your

01:15:55.520 wallet or get at those things. They can't, as Calvin's saying, yeah, the government lied.

01:15:59.360 They can't lock your wallet or take your digital assets. They want to, just because they want to

01:16:03.960 doesn't mean they can. Lynn's saying a good hacker can get access. Well, a good hacker can also just

01:16:09.880 clean you out on every other account. So again, you know, if you don't trust it, don't. It's fine.

01:16:18.380 But nobody's digital currencies were taken by the government during that seizure.

01:16:22.740 So it's one area in my view, I feel comfortable in getting some funds away from the easy reach

01:16:28.440 of the government. It doesn't mean it's impossible. Nothing's impossible, but it makes it a heck of a

01:16:33.240 lot less likely. Very, very difficult. And as you say with the hacker, no hacker can get through to

01:16:38.180 a cold wallet. It's not physically plugged into your computer. It's not there. They can't get to

01:16:43.460 it. And as Lynn saying, you know, you don't trust the government. I understand. I don't trust them

01:16:50.180 either. And we've always got to watch for our things. We've got to watch for not every digital

01:16:53.800 currency is a safe investment or good. And as Calvin's kind of saying too, part of the

01:16:58.040 responsibilities are is we got to be careful with our information, like that password scheme and

01:17:01.740 everything you've got to do with your ledger is something else, a whole pile of words and

01:17:05.340 everything. But if we mess up or leave it plugged in or write it all down and keep it next to the

01:17:09.300 key, we could get in trouble. But it's another way to get your money. One way we know our money

01:17:15.380 isn't safe, we know for sure, is in the bank. That we know, okay? The bank capitulated, the

01:17:21.300 government asked, and they seized the accounts of citizens during the trucker's convoy. That

01:17:26.300 is distressing. So perhaps digital currencies aren't the solution. That's fine. You know,

01:17:31.720 go to precious metals or whatever you might want to do. But digital currencies are at least

01:17:38.660 one of the hedges. Sylvia is saying, yes, Scotiabank bowed and apologized. Too little,

01:17:43.840 too late. We can't avoid banks yet, but we're getting farther and farther from it. And I find

01:17:47.160 digital currencies might be a bit of the way there. I see some of the other stuff I've been

01:17:50.560 reaching out. You know, this is the second time I say another professor. I can't seem to get any

01:17:53.820 of these professors to talk to us here, but this is on the wild boars in Alberta. And the story

01:17:59.920 comes up now and periodically. So I tried to talk to the ones at UFC. I got no response.

01:18:04.660 I've reached out to this one. Maybe they're just taking a while, but I get no response. But

01:18:07.920 this is an ongoing thing. These wild pigs are really starting to breed and they're coming

01:18:13.460 around and they're getting into Alberta, they're getting into Saskatchewan and people that better

01:18:16.960 pay attention. Like I worked a lot in the Southern States through Louisiana and Texas and New Mexico,

01:18:21.880 Oklahoma. Those wild pigs are destructive and they are an epidemic down there. They just 0.97

01:18:28.520 rip the crap out of the ground. If you're an agricultural producer and those things get into

01:18:32.300 your field, I mean, they don't just eat a crop. They dig it to pieces. Pat, no, they did not

01:18:37.480 rate digital currency. So I'm just correcting that again before Calvin comes in for it. Again,

01:18:44.860 the government lied. No, they didn't take digital currencies. Okay. So either way, yeah, Lamont,

01:18:49.780 which is just west of Edmonton, you know, getting out by Elk Island, those wild pigs are getting

01:18:53.120 there and they're smart. They're very difficult to get rid of. And it should be making bigger news, 0.77

01:18:59.020 guys, because if these things get loose, I mean, Alberta, it's funny, we had a discussion around

01:19:02.460 the standard offices. Some people forget and don't know that, but we're rat free. We don't

01:19:07.680 have rats in Alberta. And it's a purposeful, we're lucky, you know, up north, it's too cold.

01:19:12.620 Out west, the mountains blocked them and to the south to a degree. And to the east, we've got

01:19:17.980 what's called the rat patrol. There are government guys paid for rat outbreaks because they come in,

01:19:22.120 we have outbreaks, they do sneak in, but they immediately and mercilessly get in there and

01:19:26.620 take that population down before they can entrench. So you got to start early. The only

01:19:32.080 reason we got that way was because that rapid troll started early and eliminated rats and kept

01:19:36.120 them out in Alberta from the first place. These pigs, there's nothing of that sort. They're doing 0.99

01:19:40.420 some things. They got some bounties. They got some things going on, but not enough yet. We got to get

01:19:46.680 them fast and early if we're going to possibly get them under control. Because if they end up like

01:19:50.180 they are with what I saw down in Texas and that, and you see, it's not a matter of just being able

01:19:54.060 to, to hunt these things or, uh, uh, uh, getting out there. Uh, like the Texans are well-armed,

01:20:02.940 it's well-populated. They're all over. That's how smart these things are. They got traps all over

01:20:07.140 the place from when I was working on there, you see the traps everywhere. They fly on helicopters

01:20:10.580 and shoot at these things, but they're, they breed like hell. They can eat anything and, uh,

01:20:15.800 they're smart. So once they've been shot at a couple of times, they go into hiding. They don't

01:20:19.020 come out until the night. And, uh, so again, the earlier we get on these things, the better we

01:20:23.660 better be paying attention. Canucklehead saying there's a ranch near Myrethorpe that has Russian

01:20:27.260 boars for custom hunting and processing. Yeah, there's those canned hunting and things like that.

01:20:33.560 But doesn't know if any have ever escaped, would be interested to know. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,

01:20:39.180 in this case, most of them in the States and up here, it's domestic ones that escape. And again,

01:20:43.080 they're tough, smart animals and they just carry on and they turn in. So they aren't so much the

01:20:46.740 wild boars that we call them that a lot. Most often the proper term is feral pigs. They've

01:20:52.060 gotten loose in their breeding, but they're all related. And they can also be terribly dangerous.

01:20:56.660 They're strong. They got huge tusks on them. There was a case in Texas a little while back

01:21:00.760 with a woman who got killed just outside of her house, actually. That was just east of Galveston.

01:21:06.140 It's rare, but they will do it. And yeah, it's something to watch. Either way, more news to keep

01:21:12.820 going. And if I can get that professor on, because I'd like to see what efforts are going to get

01:21:16.780 these under control. You know, let's get them on here and talk about it. Let's see the Upper

01:21:22.760 Canada District School Board. Ah, such a name. You know, the Eastern Laurentian elites, even their

01:21:27.980 name sounds that way. Either way, they've now said that the book by Agatha Christie, and then

01:21:33.860 there were none, is to be banned from schools. Here we go, you know, if we keep banning things

01:21:38.340 because there were anti-Semitic references. And you know, the truth is there were some.

01:21:42.620 They talked, one of the characters, this was written, you got to remember, in the 30s,

01:21:46.780 And one of the characters Mr. Morris is referred to as Little Jew and having thick Semitic lips.

01:21:53.520 Yeah, it's offensive.

01:21:55.080 It's wrong.

01:21:55.880 It's not good.

01:21:58.560 But we don't use that language today.

01:22:00.180 I see these as opportunities because, I mean, Christie's, you know, mystery novels were brilliant literature.

01:22:05.780 I loved reading those.

01:22:07.600 And that was school reading for me.

01:22:09.200 It was called Ten Little Indians still, I think, when I was in school.

01:22:11.960 And they've changed it to, and then there were none because that was bad.

01:22:14.940 and actually the very original title was really bad.

01:22:18.800 It was 10 little something with the N word.

01:22:21.260 It's awful, and we don't use that word anymore.

01:22:23.480 But what I, and I don't mind changing titles 0.95

01:22:25.560 to get rid of some of that crap

01:22:26.620 because the rest of the piece is good. 0.99

01:22:28.640 We gotta stop trying to read and judge

01:22:32.540 our historical writers and people

01:22:34.720 by the modern lens of what's tolerable.

01:22:36.820 That's the problem.

01:22:38.060 I see an opportunity to have students reading this book,

01:22:42.960 enjoying the book, enjoying the literature,

01:22:44.520 when they get to those sections that's where you discuss it this is what was wrong with that book

01:22:49.560 this is why we don't refer to people like this anymore this is how we've gotten better as a 0.94

01:22:54.280 society we've moved past that we don't have that crap in our books but the knee-jerk response is 0.91

01:22:58.200 to ban it to throw it out and and uh get rid of it that doesn't solve anything that's not how we 0.81

01:23:04.360 learn read it because there's a lot of value within that book her writing was brilliant but

01:23:10.920 also call out the stuff that's now out of date and is offensive and wrong. And let's see. Yeah,

01:23:18.960 one of the things from Lynn there also saying, I mean, never understand crypto, one of our

01:23:22.840 commenters. I'm with you. I'm with you. This is new and it's confusing. That Bitcoin mining idea

01:23:27.780 and everything still, it gives me more gray hair when I try to understand even exactly how that

01:23:31.860 works and all that stuff. I think some of us passed a certain point. I don't know what your

01:23:35.180 age is. It's just, it's too hard to wrap around. It's just another thing. Again, as I say to our

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01:23:47.740 here's another story, you know, with the, I think this kind of came out before

01:23:52.000 the new gun legislation from Trudeau got proposed, but the story was along that the

01:23:59.140 cabinet admitted, yeah, failure with a pre-election bill allowing municipal handgun bans. Because

01:24:03.200 that's what they're talking about. They were going to say, well, we'll just let city by city

01:24:05.400 ban these guns. And, you know, sorry, I got confused by a comment. I'm not touching that

01:24:14.640 one, Lynn. But either way, now he's proposed his national freeze. Okay, so it's been since

01:24:23.600 then, but they admitted it failed. But I mean, the problem is they would have failed policy

01:24:26.480 to go after controlling guns and what to say there. So yeah, they just doubled down, brought

01:24:36.520 in another one, made it worse. So here we go with those things. So I just think, I'm

01:24:42.920 sorry, Lynn, your comment's just hanging there. So okay, she said railing on Ashkenazi Jews 0.99

01:24:46.500 is not anti-Semitic. Calling them true Jews is like calling them KKK true Christians. 0.67

01:24:49.640 All right, you know what? When you start with true this and true that, you're already being 0.98

01:24:52.700 intolerant. And Ashkenazi Jews, for people who aren't familiar with it, there's Ashkenazi and

01:24:58.280 there's Sephardic Jews. The Sephardic ones are the one you would typically see in Northern Africa

01:25:04.760 or Israel, often with very Jewish appearances and genetically so. You know, some of the typical 1.00

01:25:12.260 aspects of the darker skin or curly hair and things like that. But Ashkenazi Jews are real Jews,

01:25:18.480 very much so. They're the ones who most often went into Europe, Russia, Germany, and throughout there 0.98

01:25:23.840 and settled, and they still practice. Plus, it is, if you want to look it up, it could be tested

01:25:29.360 genetically. There are genes that identify Ashkenazi Jews. It's not just a religious thing.

01:25:33.920 They exist, and there is true a Jew as any other. Now, aside from that, I just don't want to 0.99

01:25:39.720 get into those discussions on splitting on who's a true this or that or not. It's just, it's not

01:25:44.360 good for any of us. And as well with those references in Christy's book, that's just a

01:25:50.860 different thing. So yeah, either way, Trudeau, C-21, we're going after these handguns. Yeah,

01:25:55.720 you know, we fail once, let's fail harder, right? Here's where it says, Stats Canada in the 2018

01:26:02.660 report on firearms and violent crime in Canada said gun violence represents a small part of all

01:26:07.800 crime in Canada in a given year. Like that's the thing too. Even with the illegal guns, it's not

01:26:12.340 one of our bigger things. A four out of five violent crimes. So 78% didn't involve any type

01:26:18.260 of weapon actually. And then there were more knives than guns when it did come down to a weapon.

01:26:23.020 So he's not targeting where our problems really are. As I said in the earlier rant,

01:26:27.660 it's the American culture wars. This is a separate issue. That's their issue. I mean,

01:26:31.080 it's still real. And we still, you know, we had that lunatic go off in Nova Scotia and murder all 0.96

01:26:36.260 those people. And we've had the occasional school shooting. I mean, we had Mark Lapine as well. And 0.54

01:26:41.780 It happens, but it's not chronic here like that.

01:26:44.820 And here's a quote out of Trudeau 0.98

01:26:47.360 just to show the lies out of that himbo, 0.91

01:26:51.100 where he said,

01:26:51.980 gun violence is a complex problem.

01:26:53.580 Okay, you got that much.

01:26:54.500 But at the end of the day,

01:26:55.120 the math is really quite simple, said Trudeau.

01:26:58.500 The fewer guns in our communities,

01:26:59.680 the safer everyone will be.

01:27:00.740 That's what he said. 1.00

01:27:02.260 Well, the math is not simple enough for you, you moron. 1.00

01:27:05.880 This won't make fewer guns in the community. 1.00

01:27:07.840 It's just going to take out fewer,

01:27:09.040 will be fewer legal guns in the community. There will, the illegal guns are still going to be

01:27:15.060 pouring in there. You were targeting the ones who weren't causing a problem. Idiot. But expecting

01:27:22.420 him to understand that. Yeah, Chris Gibson pointing out, he's putting gun shops out of

01:27:26.620 business. They can't absorb unsalable inventory. Yeah, all of these, and I think there's thousands

01:27:31.000 of them across Canada, stores that carried handguns, now can't sell those products. The

01:27:38.480 government's already talked about it. Oh, they'll buy them back, you know, because they know they're

01:27:42.040 going to get sued if they don't do that, at least. But the bottom line is, I talked about that before

01:27:46.760 when it comes to government compensation and things like that. It's theft, guys. It's theft.

01:27:52.280 And even if they pay you for it, when they take your property by force, it's theft. If you haven't

01:27:59.620 given permission, they shouldn't have the right to take it, whether they pay you or not. All right.

01:28:04.080 We got lots to cover tomorrow, and there'll be lots more to talk about. So I'm going to talk to

01:28:07.040 Jeff Park with the Alberta Parents Union. They've been touring the province and they're talking

01:28:11.180 about a lot of things to improve schooling. I think across Alberta. I saw the left get really

01:28:18.160 upset with how dare you use the name union. You're dirtying it. Oh, good on you. I'm glad if you're

01:28:21.760 ticking them off on that level, it's already good. So Jeff Park's going to come on. He's going to be

01:28:25.420 in studio, talk to us. And then Kinga Zintner, she's with Guided Journeys Foundation. And we're

01:28:31.580 going to talk about palliative care. They're trying to get a center set up in Alberta and

01:28:36.900 you know, it's important care for people during their last days. So it'll be something a little

01:28:42.340 different, a little non-political on that one, but it's still important. And we'll of course be

01:28:46.860 covering the news and I'll have a rant of some sort and everything else too. So thank you all

01:28:51.080 for joining me today, guys. I appreciate it. And I'll see you all tomorrow at 1130 AM on Standard.

01:29:06.900 We'll be right back.

Western Standard - June 01, 2022

Triggered： Handgun law is a vanity project for Trudeau.

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