Join us today as we discuss the mass shooting in the United States, the World Economic Forum, and National Towel Day. We also hear from Michelle Sterling of Friends of Science and Dave Makachuk of Western Standard.
00:04:34.560Despite even 21 people being killed, 19 of them children,
00:04:38.540that shooting yesterday was still only the second most deadly of American school shootings.
00:04:45.360So outside of schools, the USA has had 212 mass shootings just in 2022 alone.
00:04:52.060These are shootings where four or more people are shot.
00:04:56.900I mean, and there's been, what, 20-some school shootings this year,
00:05:01.300just in the last six months, 27 of them. Something's wrong, guys. We can't deny this.
00:05:07.560We can't look the other way. And there's no magic bullet. There's no simple solution. There's no
00:05:12.460quick one. But the Americans need to seriously start seeking one. I mean, the post-shooting
00:05:18.580knee-jerk reactions from politicos is already typical. You know, the fact that there's typical
00:05:23.820reactions to these tragedies is indicative in itself, though, in how common they're becoming.
00:05:27.920I mean, there's calls for outright bans of firearms. Those come immediately. And that's not realistic. And it's simplistic. But at the same time, there's room to look at things. There's room to talk about how free the access to firearms is. I mean, come on, we've got to start looking at stuff here. Something's wrong. Waiting periods, background checks, perhaps, because some Second Amendment people don't even think there should be a background check. So we've got to examine what's going on there.
00:05:53.300I mean, those are far from foolproof, but they might start working towards mitigating some of
00:05:57.980this carnage. Maybe those measures would be useless, but let's have a rational discussion.
00:06:02.080That's what we have to have on this. And it's hard to be rational with something so emotional.
00:06:06.220Left, right, or center. No society, no people ever want to see children murdered like that.
00:06:10.420It's awful. I mean, there's some others are claiming that loosening the firearms laws up
00:06:15.020would help with the notion that people openly carrying firearms would act as a preventative
00:06:18.880measure. I'm not so bad on open carry, but I don't know if it would stop that. I can't see it.
00:06:23.300Texas is an open carry state, and there aren't many examples to indicate it helped.
00:06:28.720Now we've got to look at some of the numbers.
00:06:30.380I mean, the Americans have the most civilian guns per capita than any other country on the planet.
00:06:34.880They have 120 guns for every 100 people.
00:06:37.400They have more civilian firearms than actual civilians.
00:06:42.060So the next closest country is the Falkland Islands with 62 per 100.
00:06:46.720I mean, Americans have more than twice as much as the next country after that.
00:06:50.320I mean, I'm not talking about moving towards disarming all citizens, but we've got to look at that. It's a contributing factor. Obviously, the number of people who have these firearms is contributing to this somehow. I mean, Canada, though, is among the top nations, actually, believe it or not, with firearms per capita at 13th, with 34.7 per 100. But that's still a quarter of the number that Americans have.
00:07:14.940Now, is Canada experiencing a quarter of the mass shootings and school shootings, though?
00:07:54.700These things didn't happen with such frequency in years gone by either.
00:07:57.600I mean, there have been mass shootings since the invention of the gun, but they've been escalating.
00:08:01.840In the 60s and 70s, it was common to see rifles in the back windows of pickup trucks in school parking lots in both Canada and the USA, or at least in smaller towns.
00:08:09.660There was no rash of shootings due to that.
00:08:11.700So what changed? What happened? I have more questions today than answers. You know, usually I'm full of answers. I'm full of opinion. I'm full of thoughts. I still have a lot of that in me. But with this issue, I don't have the answers, but I've got a lot of questions. We've got to start asking these questions right now. The only thing I can say conclusively, though, is that things have to change. We have to admit there's a problem, or at least the Americans do. I understand. We are related to the states, and we have a lot of friends and family down there.
00:08:37.040Many reactions over the next few days are going to be heated and without thought.
00:08:40.620But when things cool down, let's hope a serious discussion on this issue begins.
00:08:46.360I just returned from a visit south of the border last Monday.
00:08:49.300I know Americans aren't some bunch of violent thugs who shrug off the murder of their children.
00:08:54.120Their nation is mourning the senseless deaths of 19 children right now,
00:08:57.860and I'm mourning the waste of those young lives from afar.
00:09:01.000We have to look away for a change, and it's hard for us, especially as political types.
00:09:04.960So we've got to look away from the political and ideological lines we've drawn in the sand and look to real solutions to this terrible and growing problem with mass shootings in the USA.
00:09:15.800Until activists and politicians are capable, though, of setting aside that ideology and drawing those lines, I fear we're going to be seeing more shootings in the years to come.
00:09:23.760So let's look at this, look at it carefully, guys, and try to have a rational conversation.
00:09:32.120That's just where I'm sitting on that one.
00:09:33.580I just, I don't know what else I can say about it, but we've got to stop this. It's just horrible
00:09:39.160to keep you holding. I don't want to keep turning on the news and seeing more of these. So set aside
00:09:44.300the politics and start thinking about things, folks. And, you know, Donna saying, have a cop
00:09:49.680in each school. Well, why don't we have a cop in each classroom? Why don't we have a cop in each
00:09:52.860parent's car? We got to be reasonable to the extent, but I understand it's a potential solution,
00:09:57.940more security, but having more security isn't getting to the basis of the problem. The problem
00:10:03.200is that there's people picking up guns that want to slaughter children. We've got to get to the
00:10:07.600root because they're still going to be there. They're still going to be looking. You can't
00:10:12.020protect everything all the time. But again, I don't want to knock Donna for putting out a
00:10:15.760suggestion because that's what we need is suggestions. We need discussion. We need to look
00:10:18.940at this and find out what happened. And not just yesterday, but over and over 27 times in six
00:10:24.940months in schools, people. Like this is beyond the pale. And I just don't want to see it anymore.
00:10:31.000So let's hope we finally just start to learn from this.
00:10:33.640All right, let's get on to some more news with our news editor, Dave Naylor, and bring him in.
00:11:05.680Let's hope they come up with a solution.
00:11:07.380But these things have happened before, and there's been no solution.
00:11:11.320So I am not sure there will be one on this time.
00:11:15.900Our Linda Slobodian has filed a column on it already.
00:11:19.660She's taking President Biden to task over his emotional speech last night.
00:11:25.500Linda says it was just a case of him politicizing it and not going to the root of the problems.
00:11:31.580We've got another story up there on the federal conservatives are calling for an investigation into the liberal labor minister, trade minister.
00:11:40.960She gave a $17,000 contract to one of her good friends during the COVID vaccination or during the COVID pandemic, excuse me.
00:11:50.580And the conservatives are saying that's not quite right.
00:11:54.800our mail resident before the shooting story just got back from a canadian taxpayers federation
00:12:01.680press conference where they handed out the uh the annual teddy awards these are awards
00:12:07.360politicians do not want to get because it highlights wasteful spending of taxpayers
00:12:12.480money and there's some pretty egregious cases uh this year for people to read about uh cory
00:12:18.000Interesting case in Quebec, a guy in Montreal who bought a Chevy Bolt says the performance of the electric vehicle in winter was a debacle.
00:12:30.680And he's trying to find or trying to get a class action lawsuit certified to try and get his $38,000 back.
00:12:37.940He paid for an electric vehicle that didn't work well in the Canadian winters.0.95
00:12:42.080And as you mentioned, Tamara Litch does not have to worry about going back to jail for the time being.
00:12:48.920The judge has said she can stay out on bail and even go to Ontario to accept that award from the Justice Centre.
00:12:57.420So those are the main highlights, Corey.
00:13:01.560Got to admit, I'm a bit worried that this will be the sort of the second last day of the playoff beard, though.
00:13:07.060Not at all confident the Flames can get a victory on Thursday.
00:13:42.840So I see a couple of comments, you know, and again, see, I don't want to dismiss any.
00:13:47.280There's something I got to watch just because I disagree with some of the solutions people are pointing out with what I was talking about before.
00:13:52.080Well, no, that's what I've got to stop doing, too.
00:13:54.160We need to examine everything and try and find out because I don't think there is any one factor on what's going on.
00:13:59.380You're just getting back to my opening there.
00:14:01.520I don't think there's any simple thing.
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00:16:29.200we've got, the Battle of Alberta. You know, that is a big one going on. The flames really looked
00:16:35.400pretty gnarly last night, guys. You know, it's funny because one of the things that is a good
00:16:39.480news story, or it was, is you've seen people out celebrating things and enjoying themselves,
00:16:43.540talking about mental health. In general, stresses, things on people, you know, we need to smile more,
00:16:48.200we need to get out more, we need to socialize more. How many of the symptoms of some of this
00:16:52.040antisocial or horrible stuff? Again, you know, there's dozens of contributing factors to all
00:16:56.520sorts of things. But I think we're seeing some consequences also of two years of misery, two
00:17:00.780years of hiding our faces from each other with masks, two years of separating each other from
00:17:05.620our families and friends, cracking down on people from doing business, from interacting in schools
00:17:11.280in the first place, the closures of schools constantly, the homeschooling. We've got a whole
00:17:16.360lot of things to work on. We're doing great with modern technology and moving ahead, but we're
00:17:21.760forgetting a lot of things too. And we're becoming a lot more introverted as we can sit at home and
00:17:25.400Zoom meetings to do our line of work or work from home, communicate from there. Getting out,
00:17:31.520seeing packed stadiums, even in Edmonton, packed arenas and groups and crowds. That's something I
00:17:37.260do like seeing. It makes me, you know, let's look at some things that make us happy. Let's look at
00:17:41.520some good things, things that are good for each other. And sports, you know, don't underestimate
00:17:46.180how important they are getting people together and socializing and having friendly competitive
00:17:50.800activities, you know, even with some body checks and elbows in the corners now and then.
00:17:55.400is good for us. And we're seeing it again. We're not looking at fake cardboard cutouts of fans.
00:17:59.800World's getting a little closer to normal. Unfortunately, not every bit of normal is
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00:19:08.120All right, let's bring in Michelle Sterling and talk about something else that gets the vein in my head pulsing, and that's the World Economic Forum and their plans for us under the guise of environmental stewardship.
00:25:13.760We want to become some sort of impoverished, introverted society where everybody is locked in their homes, living in poverty, because that'll theoretically, and there's the big theory, save Mother Earth.
00:25:25.880This is the only, if anything, it should backfire.
00:25:28.260It should make people realize this is how bad it would have to get before we even started to reduce, to get towards those crazy climate targets that are always set for us.
00:25:37.900Yeah, well, it's very dangerous ideology.
00:25:40.680You have to remember also there was a report that came out in the fall of 2019 called Exponential Roadmap.
00:25:47.080And this was done by very influential NGOs like World Wild Fund and a whole assortment of these guys.
00:25:53.880But they wanted to cut emissions in half by 2030. And most of the things that they proposed actually were met by lockdowns. So I find that a very suspicious connection. Call me a conspiracy theorist. I don't care. Read the report yourself. Exponential roadmap.
00:26:12.060And you'll see that the things they proposed were things like everyone work from home, no going to doctor's meetings, no going to school, you know, because this cuts transportation emissions.
00:26:25.240And of course, for the billionaires associated with World Economic Forum, most of them in high tech, this was fantastic for them.
00:26:33.380they capitalized on it they made bank while other people suffered and especially things like fintech
00:26:40.960which you know financial uh financial technical uh startups they'd been kind of a nothing business
00:26:48.860for oh five years or something just laying there in the corner not really doing anything
00:26:54.500boom lockdown they i think their stocks went up like 300 percent so you know and all these
00:27:01.440wf billionaires were early investors you know just waiting for the opportunity for this take
00:27:08.620off so you know and people can read a lot more about these guys you know there's the uh fourth
00:27:15.120industrial revolution that's one book um and the uh davos man which is a new one i haven't gone
00:27:25.160through this yet but i started it and it's the same shocking stuff about these elites as you
00:27:31.260say, people who they really don't care about you and me. We're just useless eaters. Yeah, well,
00:27:37.120that's about it. And I mean, something I think that's good, though, I mean, because the World
00:27:40.560Economic Forum has been around a long, long time, they've been holding these meetings for a long
00:27:44.960time. And nobody's really paid much attention to them or realize the amount of influence they have.
00:27:49.740And now that the world is kind of paying attention to commoners, us unwashed, and realizing what the
00:27:56.140agenda of at least the people leading it, I mean, there's a lot of misconceptions to people seem to
00:28:00.620I think just because somebody attended it doesn't mean they've embraced every aspect of what the leaders were saying at their speeches or things like that.
00:28:08.120But, I mean, they don't hide their agenda whatsoever, the organization itself or Mr. Schwab.
00:28:12.880I mean, it's been in the open for quite some time and people are suddenly realizing that.
00:28:18.100Yes. Well, we have about three or four different videos.
00:28:21.680One is called The Great Reset, in their own words, a Ponzi scheme.
00:28:28.780We were also very concerned after the Davos 2020 meeting because of the depopulation talk there.
00:28:35.380They featured Jane Goodall, who was saying, you know, we wouldn't have any climate change problems if the population of the earth was only 500 million.
00:28:43.100So you can take your own assumptions from that.
00:28:46.820And unfortunately, in the world of climate change, people have been using this RCP 8.5.
00:28:54.460people have been referring to this set of scenarios and they the ones that the catastrophic
00:29:10.980claims come from using this scenario which is deemed to be implausible but these other scenarios
00:29:18.420have 3 billion fewer people in them. So in one that we did with Clintel, where they sent a
00:29:25.480message to the World Economic Forum on Climate Change, we tried to make that clear that, you
00:29:31.340know, hopefully no one has decided, wow, there's a climate emergency, let's get rid of 3 billion
00:29:36.900people. But you can see how, you know, devious minds might come up with that. And I mean, the
00:29:44.500unintended consequences of lockdown will be hundreds of thousands, millions of people who
00:29:52.120die prematurely, who suffer in great pain. And we have already seen that many people took their
00:29:59.100lives. So, you know, that is a depopulation program right there. Well, and whether it's
00:30:07.280intentional or not intentional, I imagine for some of the crazed ideologues, and they exist,
00:30:11.040there's an anti-humanity type of ideologue out there. And a lot of them are in the environmental
00:30:15.560circles. They think that anything humans do is evil. And we should just basically get rid of
00:30:20.200people. They're self-loathing. It's a real problem. As far as I'm concerned, they need help,
00:30:25.580but they get into positions of influence. But now the other thing we're looking at is,
00:30:30.580and again, not all of them necessarily are supporting it, but we've got a world food
00:30:35.260supply crisis coming down the pipe. And it's funny because we were warning, you and I were
00:30:39.100on the show talking about the energy crisis back last summer. You know, saying, hey, Europe is up
00:30:43.840the creek. They're in big trouble. We got problems coming. And it wasn't heated. And now, you know,
00:30:49.320due to with the Russia-Ukraine conflict on top of that, it's just become all the more acute.
00:30:54.200But now we can see it. Anybody looking at economics, anybody looking at supply chains,
00:30:57.800anybody looking at the regions where the war is, we got a really big food crisis coming. And they're
00:31:02.940not talking about that at the World Economic Forum. They're worried about reducing our carbon
00:31:06.400footprint right and uh you know they're they're definitely not interested in helping people say
00:31:14.000in uh egypt and and africa where they get most of their wheat from the ukraine so you know that uh
00:31:24.080that material can't be shipped now it's locked in port at the moment and i just saw a video about
00:31:29.040it and uh you know that we're not talking about part of their food coming from there we're talking
00:31:34.800about like 80 percent to some of these countries and without that people will die on mass and
00:31:42.560the video i just saw was also talking about how in 2007 2008 there were you know there was the
00:31:49.680arab spring and most people said oh that's you know because egypt wants to be democratic well
00:31:54.880it's because that part of the world was suffering food shortages and food price hikes and there's a
00:32:00.640a group of people called New England Complex Systems Institute, and they did a study showing
00:32:06.860that as food prices rise, civil unrest rises, and they could actually predict where in the world
00:32:12.760the next civil unrest would be based on their complex system analysis.
00:32:20.120Yeah, I mean, look at Somalia or anywhere in North Africa, and I can't presume on your date
00:32:26.340of birth by any means, but I'm old enough to remember the famines of the 80s and the early
00:32:30.32090s. It was terrible. North Africa was in Ethiopia. It was awful to see what was happening.
00:32:36.280And the thing that the reason we don't see it today is good modern, I mean, it didn't suddenly
00:32:40.920turn into good growing areas in Ethiopia and Somalia, and the populations didn't go down.
00:32:45.980But due to modern energy, modern transportation and supply chains, as you said, we've been able
00:32:50.260to bring in wheat and products from Ukraine and such down there to feed people. And that's not
00:32:55.460going to be coming down this year we're going to see some serious problems yeah yeah it's
00:33:00.780catastrophic it's uh criminal and as you say these guys at the world economic forum that should be
00:33:07.320if they are in fact accountable to all parts of society if they are in fact doing things with
00:33:13.140morality and integrity at the center of everything they do then this should be the first thing on
00:33:18.580their agenda and it actually it might even be a climate war between ukraine and russia despite
00:33:24.820the other things that have been said but um uh you know the world economic forum wants a global
00:33:31.300price on carbon by 2030 and russia has never ever bought into that ideology of climate change we
00:33:37.380have on our website their rebuttal to the kyoto protocol from 2004 and they called climate change
00:33:43.780ideology a threat to human civilization and i guess we're seeing that right now absolutely and
00:33:51.140I mean, Russia didn't take the BS and that's part of why they became an energy powerhouse
00:33:55.240because they weren't shackling themselves and they could provide products in volumes
00:39:06.580you know so um you know and uh mark carney he's a trustee there and what did mark do he told uh
00:39:14.260companies that if you don't uh get on the climate change bandwagon you'll go bankrupt so you know
00:39:19.900these people are just shooting their mouth off all over the place and making a mess of the world
00:39:24.640and uh we can't really do a lot about it because they're not elected they're not accountable and
00:39:31.460they're transnational. So send your letters to the Swiss government like Clintel did. You can
00:39:37.720see that letter on our website, on our blog. Great. Now, actually, since you brought it up
00:39:42.080and to close it out, I appreciate you coming on to talk to us. It's always great when we have you on.
00:39:46.320Where can we find more information about Friends of Science and yourself and where you're documenting
00:39:50.600all this? Because your site's a great resource. I mean, if you want to drill down and find a lot
00:39:55.080of stuff. It's there. Thank you. Well, you can look at www.friendsofscience.org. We're now going
00:40:03.240into our 20th year of operation. We're a nonprofit run by volunteers, and we'd just love it if people
00:40:09.260would help us with our campaign. Going into our 20th year, we're asking our followers if they
00:40:14.960donate maybe $20 for our 20 years. You can donate more, but you can just send it by e-transfer to
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00:40:29.080we're on Twitter and Instagram and YouTube, of course. So look and see what we've got.
00:40:36.800And we welcome any comments. Great. Well, thanks again, Michelle. Always good talking to you. And
00:40:42.520I hope we can talk again sometime soon. Thank you, Corey.
00:40:47.200That was Michelle Sterling of Friends of Science. And if you didn't catch all those listings of
00:40:51.620where to find them. Of course, that's the great thing with the internet. Just Google friends of
00:40:54.960science and you'll find all sorts of links and resources. And as I said, their site's deep. It's
00:40:59.000a great spot. If I'm searching stuff out for some of my ranting columns and such, I quite often
00:41:02.980suddenly find myself there to get my stats and numbers on things because they are, as their name
00:41:07.240says, friends of science. They're just looking at the numbers. You know, Michelle's a principled
00:41:11.020person. I think if she saw stats saying the world was warming up at five degrees a week, she would
00:41:14.600be bringing that up as a big concern as well. So yeah, you know, I'm going to speak to my next
00:41:20.360sponsor, and it's funny, some people would see the timing of it as being wrong, but I think it's
00:41:24.860right. It's the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, you know, and in light of the horrible, horrible
00:41:30.660shooting in Texas, people say, well, why would I not think about a Canadian Shooting Sports
00:41:34.820Association? But actually, I think associations like this are more important than ever, because
00:41:39.240this is an association of non-psychopaths. This is an association of people who want responsible
00:41:44.500use of firearms. They're as horrified as anybody else when they see the, you know, firearms being
00:41:49.200improperly used for such harm. And as we know, the vast majority of firearm owners, I mean,
00:41:54.220they'd never want to hurt anybody. Absolutely. And we want to see reasonable regulations,
00:41:59.200reasonable laws, and strong cracking down on the illegal use of firearms. That's part of what
00:42:06.320they're about. And that's part of what they put out as a part of their agenda, I guess you could
00:42:11.000say with things. And they're an association. So I mean, they offer courses and safe usage of
00:42:16.040firearms or showing where there's sports, you know, trap shooting, target shooting, uh, you know,
00:42:21.140black powder. There's a lot of things that can be done with firearms that unfortunately that the
00:42:24.800most horrific uses are done out there as well. So we can differentiate between these things. We can
00:42:29.740stand up for our ability to, for the people who want to safely, uh, utilize firearms while
00:42:35.300condemning the, the, the horrible, horrible, you know, misuse of it in the worst possible way you
00:42:41.700saw yesterday. So check them out. The Canadian Shooting Sports Association. You can Google
00:42:45.120CSSA-CILA.org. And yeah, I'm getting on to more nuanced discussion. I do like the comment scroll,
00:42:53.220guys. I like seeing some other things. You know, one of the things pointed out by another one,
00:42:57.560because I'm seeking solutions because I don't have any on this one. As I said, I got more
00:43:01.160questions than answers. And for a bloviating blowhard like myself, that's a rare circumstance.
00:43:06.320But this is just so terrible. And if I knew a magic bullet, I wouldn't care about ideology.
00:43:11.280I would be pushing it as hard as I can. The solution to this epidemic of murders and school
00:43:17.040shootings is going to be a complicated one with a lot of factors. Somebody brought one up that,
00:43:22.000I'm sorry, I can't remember which comment it was. I saw it when Michelle was talking though about
00:43:25.300the family breakdown. As I was saying, well, what's changed? What's changed in this last 30,
00:43:29.84040 years that's really bringing so much more of this about? And that's another factor. It really
00:43:34.240is. But how do you address that one? That one's tough. People bring it up and often it gets
00:43:38.200dismissed as oh you're being racist especially when it comes to the American discussion because
00:43:42.260some people point out that minority communities often are less inclined to have I guess you say
00:43:47.660intact families over the long run and there's lots and lots of studies that particularly with young
00:43:52.860men if they're raised in a fatherless household there's a much higher chance that they're going to
00:43:58.180stray from the path you know and get into trouble or have problems down the road whether it's gang
00:44:02.560activity or or shootings and that doesn't have anything to do with race it's in any household
00:44:06.780if you can keep a family together, the chances for the kids are better. But how do you solve that?
00:44:13.180You know, where do we go? It's not to say it can't be solved, but we got to talk about these
00:44:16.580things. We got to look at all these things. And, you know, look at it today. I mean, there's some
00:44:22.880aspects, I guess, on how easily people get divorced today compared to in the past. I've been through
00:44:27.900it. But was it necessarily better 80 years ago when a couple would stay together, even if one
00:44:34.340member of the couple or the other was abusive. You know, you just had to grin and bear it,
00:44:38.100stay within there. Was that better for the family unit? Was it better for the household?
00:44:42.340I think perhaps we give up too easily on our relationships and we split a lot too quickly.
00:44:47.260And it's made, you know, for a mess. And again, a lot of broken homes, which again,
00:44:51.980that doesn't mean they're necessarily dysfunctional. There's plenty of single
00:44:55.060parent homes or new parents and so on that do fine. But I want to open it up, as I said, to
00:45:00.320every bit of the conversation on this one, because there's just not enough answers and
00:45:06.140there's so many questions and whatever. I don't think there'll ever be a permanent solution,
00:45:10.440but we can mitigate, we can reduce, we can find out a little bit of what's at the root of this
00:45:14.520and stop this trend from growing. It's just so bad. And Dash Riprock saying, stop shootings is
00:45:23.400easy, armed security done. No, Dash, it's not. I do believe having more armed people may help
00:45:29.360with things. But you see, easy? No, it's not easy. That's just one element out of what I think are
00:45:35.620dozens and dozens of elements. And shooters don't like people firing back at them as Dash is saying,
00:45:40.360well, that's fine. But you know, it's something I've worked in the States a lot in open carry
00:45:46.080areas and everything. Most people who I saw in Texas say, you know, we're open carry and so on.
00:45:50.900Perfectly responsible people aren't going to harm anybody. But I saw some that I'm not sure how they
00:45:54.540tied their shoes right. And if there was a crisis situation in a crowd, I'm not sure if I want this
00:45:59.340clown firing out there as well this could compound a moderate problem into a massive problem so don't
00:46:05.920assume and I'm not trying to totally dismiss open carry or having more people armed I'm just saying
00:46:11.420it's not a quicker necessarily a solution this is all nuanced and complicated and that's why we need
00:46:16.080the discussions like I said I don't want to fight with anybody who's proposing solutions because I
00:46:20.100can't think of them so by all means keep throwing them out there but that one has a it cuts both
00:46:27.180ways, I guess. Don't assume that another armed person, even if well-meaning, would necessarily
00:46:32.280do good. I mean, let's remember, there's a whole lot of idiots out there. I think George Carlin
00:46:38.680said it best. Go out there and take a pad and paper and look around and write it down. Look
00:46:42.700at your average idiot and write down how many there are. Then think about it. Half of the world
00:46:46.400is dumber than them. So that's your average idiot. So arming them all, well, it's an aspect.
00:46:56.340And I was just saying further, you know, of course, screening must be done. Fine. And I agree with that. Somebody was saying earlier, too, when I talked about that with background checks and screening, and they say they do have that in the state. Actually, it's very much state by state as to what the requirements are, waiting lists, things like that. Again, no magic cure for anything to have one policy or another.
00:47:17.300would a waiting period have stopped this? I mean, it sounds like in the case of yesterday,
00:47:22.440that this guy turned 18, went in and just bought some firearms and he was ready to roll.
00:47:28.840But still, this was clearly a psychopathic kid. If he had waited a week, would it have stopped him?
00:47:34.520If you made, he's an 18 year old, I don't know, presumably with no prior records, if you made him
00:47:39.300fill out some forms and wait a month, would it have stopped him? I mean, if somebody's really
00:47:43.080determined, they might do it. Or even if you declined this person in getting a firearm,
00:47:48.180well, he might have been able to get an illegal one. See, there's no easy way. But at the same
00:47:53.160time, something has to change. I don't think anybody can look at the circumstance, look at
00:47:57.720the stats, look at the numbers, and pretend that there's not a problem and a growing one.
00:48:04.280I mean, I'm old enough. I didn't grow up seeing this kind of shooting all the time on the news
00:48:08.380all the day, all the time. And I mean, the numbers support that. There weren't school
00:48:12.140shootings like this. There weren't mass shootings like this 40 years ago. So something is going
00:48:16.260terribly wrong. So let's talk about it and figure out what the hell it is. Because if we don't find
00:48:23.060out what it is and at least stop it, it's going to actually get worse. So yeah, I like ranting
00:48:30.580about stuff, but this was just so depressing when it gets going. I'd rather rant about bad policies
00:48:34.520and things, just not something that's as vile as this. Let's bring in and pivot and change the
00:48:40.280subject here. We'll bring in Mr. Makachuk and we're going to talk about some, you know, serious
00:48:44.600subject matter. Absolutely. And that's the treatment of our own Canadian citizens in our
00:48:48.320justice system. And that's with Tamara Leach, who it turns out they didn't manage to throw her back0.99
00:48:53.580in jail, but boy, they sure wanted to. How are you doing, Dave? I'm good. I'm good. Yourself?
00:48:58.700I'm okay. Like I said, it's, it's a rough day on that stuff. It is a rough day. It's a terrible
00:49:03.580day. I just watched Beto O'Rourke crash the press conference in Texas, and it was just like
00:49:12.620something out of, I've never, I haven't seen anything like it. They had to, the cops had to
00:49:18.780get them out, and oh my God, it's just a, it's just a mess. The whole thing is just a mess.
00:49:24.480Very sad. It's just, it's terrible. It's terrible. Like you said, what can we do?
00:49:35.280I'm more receptive to hearing other views than I ever have been when we see a harsh reality.
00:49:40.320So, you know, that's pretty politicized.
00:49:41.860Hopefully when things cool down a bit and we'll see some more rationed things rather than O'Rourke, you know, making a fool of himself or other people, you know, coming up with more extreme solutions on the conservative side as well.
00:49:57.300It's just, let's think harder and see what works.
00:50:00.340So getting through what I wanted to talk to you about was a column you'd written recently.
00:50:05.460I mean, you crossed actually a couple of subjects with it, but you closed more with, you know,
00:50:09.060and linking to Linda Slobodian's piece, but just on this ongoing vendetta against Tamara Leach.
00:50:16.100I mean, this is something else in a democratic country.
00:50:19.260Can you believe this is happening right now?
00:50:22.540I have to tell you, like I said, I mean, I've hung around this country a while, and I've seen a lot of things, and I've been in the media, and I have never seen anything so outrageous.
00:50:40.960and and get this get this today uh thank god thank god there is one justice in this country0.90
00:50:48.520who said um that the uh bail uh terms hearing for uh tamara leach basically stated that she0.92
00:50:59.960was going to do time big time major league time imagine that and and and and and and you know
00:51:07.820which is terrible like we're going to throw you away we're going to okay and what does uh philip
00:51:14.620say he said guys she's presumed innocent duh we have something called rule of law in canada
00:51:24.200and and and it took a justice to come up and say she isn't she innocent you know and and it's not
00:51:35.480necessarily a fact that she's going to do any jail time or what jail time that is that's to be
00:51:41.400determined by the law by a court and and he said he warned her and he said uh look uh uh you know
00:51:51.100before the uh the queen it's who you know he who laughs last laughs the best so he kind of warned
00:51:58.520her but basically he said no you can go to Ottawa for go see your uh your daughter who's attending
00:52:05.020secondary school and you're not going back to jail you're not i mean so it's um it's unbelievable
00:52:14.060it just it's just it just is incredible that this is actually happening can you imagine that
00:52:20.140a judge reminding a a assistant crown attorney whose demeanor was uh uh disappointed the judge
00:52:31.900because he had no case so he was you know he doth protest too much and the judge obviously saw
00:52:40.380through it right thank god for that yeah because we were listening to it in the newsroom uh amanda
00:52:48.140had it playing in the background had to suffer through it you know last week and this prosecutor
00:52:52.300was just right over the top and uh yes as you said it's great that the judge called him out but man
00:52:57.260Why such a vendetta? Why so strongly on this? You know, I mean, we understand how bail works.
00:53:03.400If if Lee should have been out there organizing, if we'd seen she's been putting up Facebook
00:53:08.060posting, hey, everybody, gather the trucks. Let's do it again. You know, here's where you send new
00:53:13.500fundraising. I mean, all of those other bail conditions. I'd throw my head to be, geez,
00:53:17.980Tamara, I think you're great, but you kind of are asking for it here. All she did was say yes to an
00:53:23.040award on an email. That's it. And they figured that's enough to go after her. And, and, and,
00:53:27.980and, uh, again, uh, justice Phillips made a very good ruling. He said that the award has nothing
00:53:34.780to do with the, uh, they're not connected. They're not connected. So that doesn't mean that she can
00:53:41.380accept it or whatever, but she said, she's not going to go to, uh, you know, go there to accept
00:53:46.940award but maybe that's to be determined i don't know but in any case uh uh he said they're not
00:53:53.420connected and you know and the federal government is is is uh uh uh you know going after her i mean
00:54:01.900it's not like she was planting ieds on the side of the road for god's sake you know why are we
00:54:08.300putting her in in in our own little uh uh gitmo uh uh you know is that what true i mean and and
00:54:16.140you ask why is this happening well our prime minister is in vancouver or was in vancouver
00:54:21.900i don't know if he's still there or if maybe he's surfing maybe he's out there surfing he loves
00:54:26.940surfing right so uh uh you know he said uh well he's there talking about uh things um aside from
00:54:35.740the uh uh the uh he appeared uh with um some ceremonies and stuff with the first nations
00:54:44.220which is great but uh he basically used that as a platform to say to call us all right-wing
00:54:51.420terrorists like to talk about the right-wing terrorism canada like what like is this the
00:54:59.580people who are we're fighting for freedom they're terrorists are you a terrorist corey am i are we
00:55:07.100next are we on the list and he said he's working closely you know with thesis and god help us for
00:55:13.660with those guys and to to get at these terrorists does that mean make me i'm i'm an alberta
00:55:20.940separatist i'm a very strong alberta separatist i would like to see some autonomy from alberta
00:55:27.020i i don't want i i don't want to necessarily see us go our own way but in some ways i think it's
00:55:32.700our only option but does that make me an enemy of the state is that was trudeau talking about me
00:55:40.860on the coast? Was he talking about Fred and Martha who donated 20 bucks to the freedom?
00:55:51.820And yet Trudeau had the audacity, the audacity, after he gave 10 million dollars to Omar Khadr.
00:56:00.700And regardless whether Khadr deserved it or not, I'm not going to get into that,
00:56:04.780but i will say this he said we we have to protect rights in a just society whether it's
00:56:11.420unpopular or popular well for god's sake how hypocritical can you possibly be and go after
00:56:19.180this woman as you know what i mean like for god's sake thank god and hopefully a court of law will
00:56:28.140prevail maybe they'll and it was it was that liberal judge i think uh linda oh by the way
00:56:34.860i must give credit to linda for an absolutely fabulous piece uh i read it and i just it just
00:56:40.300i mean i just got inspired to uh respond to it and linda did a great job on that but she basically
00:56:46.140said this liberal judge in ontario was the one who said you know you're going up the creek lady
00:56:51.500we're going to send you to alcatraz you're going you're going that in his bail conditions
00:57:22.900The only evidence they have of that was some handful of kooks put a Facebook posting up saying they felt they'd be able to replace the governor general and the prime minister and put in some government.
00:58:01.580They were embarrassed because that Ottawa, that freedom convoy took over the city for a long time.
00:58:11.360And his royal highness wouldn't come out and talk to them.
00:58:14.740He would rather paint them with a one brush and say they were all Nazis and God, you know, ridiculous. Yet I was, I mean, I was talking to Mike Thomas about this and Mike was saying, because I said, look, you know, C-Sys is going after Canadian extremism and hateful rhetoric.
00:58:35.620what exactly does that mean and and we both concluded that really um none of their fears
00:58:42.660their so-called fears uh came true none of it you know what i mean it's all exaggerated it's
00:58:49.940blown out of proportion it's amplified times 10 and thankfully this judge phillips i really have
00:58:56.900to commend him uh for standing up for uh uh a rule of law thank god thank god you know
00:59:06.500obviously the liberals didn't uh buy him out or or whatever that guy is that guy's is is i think
00:59:13.380he's trying to be fair which is great which is really good and thank god for that boy i tell you
00:59:19.540i just i've never seen anything like this i've never seen you know what it's payback
00:59:24.660it's payback for their embarrassment let's go after her no matter what just like when bobby
00:59:31.300kennedy went after uh jimmy hoffa it wasn't like he did this okay so let no no you get 20 guys in a
00:59:39.620room try to find something on somebody and of course they found something on off and put them
00:59:45.300away so it's like it's almost like that it's almost like okay now let's see we got to put
00:59:50.580her away for something so let's just keep harping on her and making her life miserable well and i
00:59:56.420think part of the issue too as sylvia pointed out you know they're using her association with pat
01:00:00.820king for some of the things he said see pat king is kind of everything that the the people opposed
01:00:06.260to the truckers protest point at because pat king is a bit of a haywire individual he says some
01:00:11.460things that are offensive to pretty much everybody he got associated with the convoy and he didn't
01:00:16.020represent a lot of them. I think they would be thrilled to have Pat King actually out there on
01:00:20.660social media just to keep demonstrating and showing how wacko some of the people, a very
01:00:24.500tiny minority of the people were. But Tamara Lee, she's the opposite. She's well-spoken. She's a0.95
01:00:29.560law-abiding citizen. She's a mother. I think she might be a grandmother. You know, she's not a0.98
01:00:34.720raving lunatic with her hair in the air calling for insurrection or any of that. And that's why1.00
01:00:39.860they want her out of sight because she and her very existence undercuts their whole case that
01:00:44.980this was a insurrection led by crazy people. It wasn't at all. This was just somebody who could
01:00:49.840have been your neighbor down the street and they hate that. Oh, exactly. That's exactly. I mean,
01:00:55.020you said it quite well there. And, you know, when this convoy started, as it moved along,
01:01:01.480it kind of changed and it caught momentum and it changed. And then these other people glommed onto
01:01:06.420it but uh i mean i just again um they're just attacking uh you know and one of the things i
01:01:16.020said as i finished my column is if it happens to her it can happen to you you could be next
01:01:23.380so you know watch your p's and q's because uh times are changing and uh if they can do this
01:01:31.220to her they can do it to you they can do it to anybody they can break you down and and and uh
01:01:38.820hopefully hopefully the rule of law will uh will be the way we go and that's the way we should go
01:01:45.620in this case and and uh she's got good uh you know um a good lawyer of course very good lawyer and he
01:01:52.740and uh i uh you know hopefully that will that will come out in the end and the truth has to come out
01:01:59.540well that's what we're saying we're saying the truth is that such a terrible thing for the truth
01:02:06.100to come out the next thing i expect to see whenever it happens is when she as you said
01:02:10.660she's innocent until proven guilty she is waiting for trial and in our system i mean it would be
01:02:15.940very expensive if we kept everybody incarcerated all the way till not to mention inhumane uh you
01:02:20.980know until trial time unless they were presenting an immediate risk to society but something i got
01:02:25.620got a feeling the first thing they're going to ask for when your trial comes is a gag order
01:02:28.900because they're not going to want to hear what's coming out in that courtroom when they this you
01:02:34.340know prosecutor whether it's a different one or another one tries to make the case that this is
01:02:37.820a crazed insurrectionist and they don't have any evidence for it and they're going to look all the
01:02:41.780worse so uh there's just where i'll lay my money on a bet i mean i'm failing on the battle of
01:02:46.240alberta but i will bet they will throw a gag order on this because they will not want the public to
01:02:51.560what's going on there i totally agree i totally agree i think i think you're exactly right i think
01:02:56.440they will try and limit limit it as much as they possibly can whether they say it's national
01:03:01.880security or god knows what or you know uh they will they will try and control this as much as
01:03:08.120they can and you know they're very powerful they they can they can there's other avenues they can
01:03:13.960take i suppose i don't know uh but uh i hope that uh for the sake of her and for all canadians
01:03:21.880who who may have uh uh i wouldn't say different ideas but i would say who who say well look i
01:03:29.320don't think that's right and and uh uh you know i disagree and and i and uh uh you know and i'm
01:03:36.520not necessarily you know but to be labeling you know our prime minister labeling you know going
01:03:43.160that far and and just just going out on this bizarre tangent for canada i mean it just uh i
01:03:51.960i again there's no evidence there was no evidence whatsoever of of any of their of the fears of uh
01:04:00.440thesis at the uh freedom convoy as far as we know there was nothing there really wasn't anything
01:04:07.400Other than, you know, like you said, some people latched on who may not have been, you know, as squeaky clean as we would want.
01:04:19.540I mean, it just, it's, and I think in all countries we have, I mean, don't we all have a certain amount of people who, you know, like you were mentioning earlier, the idiots.
01:04:35.380You know, like you were saying with the comedian, you know, that was actually a really good line about just take a pen and paper and look around.
01:04:44.760I mean, but anyway, yeah, yeah, I think you're right.
01:04:49.260I think they're going to try and control it.
01:22:49.180We see the ravages of a fire when it goes.
01:22:51.280We get the live coverage of it when it moves in.
01:22:52.960The other thing is we've got people living in forested areas that never lived there before,
01:22:56.560so it's a hell of a lot more damaging.
01:22:57.880but it's natural for these forests to burn. They always have. They always will.
01:23:02.800And unfortunately, when you live within them, my house backs into a forest. I'm a little fearful
01:23:06.520of that all the time. I mean, I clear brush around my place and do what I can. But if that whole
01:23:10.980forest went up, I got a feeling, you know, my log home would probably not fare terribly well.
01:23:15.760But that's my choice in moving into a forested area. If I wanted to avoid that, I could buy a
01:23:18.940place out by Vulcan, Alberta, where there's not a tree for 50 miles. But the frequency isn't up.
01:23:23.840Every time we have a big forest fire, you get the climate kooks coming out saying, this wouldn't happen if we would just buy electric cars or have more carbon taxes, because carbon taxes put fires out.
01:24:30.760And it's because it's a populated area.
01:24:32.800When I'm way up in the north or when it was, the bush wasn't necessarily that bad because every 50, 60 years or so, it would all burn and rejuvenate.
01:24:39.740But we stunt it, you know, artificially in populated areas.