00:00:30.000Good morning. It's June 3rd, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan. This is the
00:00:39.340Western Standard's daily live show. We run Monday to Friday, 1130 a.m. Mountain Standard
00:00:44.560until usually about one o'clock in the afternoon. Being live, again, I invite those comments.
00:00:50.240I see Claudette and Gary already out there and others joining in. Let's interact, make
00:00:55.040this, you know, a more fun experience. Keeps things fluid and keeps things moving. Send
00:00:59.260me your thoughts, chat with each other, send questions to the guests. I might not read them
00:01:03.540all in the air, but I do see them all out there, and it helps keep the show flowing. Again,
00:01:09.080you've always got to remember to remain a little civil with each other. It's so easy to get into
00:01:12.100fights online. It's funny, getting into beekeeping, Nico was asking me about that earlier.
00:01:18.340I bought the hive. I got it all set up. I got the gear. I've been doing YouTube University,
00:01:22.580but my bees have been delayed. I'm just waiting and waiting. Canada's had a real problem with
00:01:26.260bees this year. They should be here within 10 days or so. But so of course, I'm studying as
00:01:31.540much as I can. And I follow online discussions. And there's a beginners beekeeping group on
00:01:35.720Facebook. And my God, these guys fight like cats and dogs on there. I mean, it's supposed to be
00:01:40.100just a group where beginners are sharing advice and things on how to beekeep. And still they're
00:01:44.160calling each other names and getting on each other's case. So you really got to watch that
00:01:47.720whole internet thing somehow try to stay. You can't even talk about beekeeping without getting
00:01:52.080into a scrap. Hey, I had nothing to do with that. I just, I don't participate. Either way, let's see
00:01:57.700what the other stuff is going on today and stuff to talk about. Got a couple of strange observances
00:02:02.020for today on the things to watch around the world. It is National Itch Day. Yes, so for all of your
00:02:08.260allergies, scratching, hives, whatever issues you've got going on, today's the day I guess you
00:02:13.920can openly scratch them, enjoy them, dislike them, whatever you do. I don't know how these things get
00:02:18.540declared. I suspect Claritin or Calamine Lotion Manufacturer or something like that has come up
00:02:25.420with this one. But all the same, you know, to your favorite itchy friend, go to the Hallmark store
00:02:29.320and get a National Itch Day card and celebrate. It's also National Clubfoot Day. Not a turn you
00:02:35.500hear all that often anymore. As we see, actually, yes, it's World Clubfoot Day. But I mean, it's
00:02:40.340serious for some other people and they do have to concern themselves with it. So I guess, you know,
00:02:44.680once a year, we want to point out and remember that there's a lot of people with club feet out
00:02:48.620there that are having a rough day. On a brighter side, I think it's also supposed to be National
00:02:52.540Donut Day or something else like that, so you don't have to look at nothing but negative,
00:02:57.080itchy club foot stuff for the afternoon. It is Friday, and that's a good day for most people.
00:03:02.080All right, I got a few guests today, three spots, actually. So we got Dave Makachek.
00:03:06.160It's not so long ago since he was here. He's with the Western Standard, but he wrote a piece on
00:03:10.280And the Canadian military and some crazy stuff going on with Chinese pilots have been buzzing Canadians' planes out there on the seas and really kind of illustrating just how far our military has fallen in equipment and gear, at least anyways.
00:03:25.340So we're going to talk a bit about that.
00:03:26.580Then we're going to have the panel back that I had yesterday, Jonathan Bradley and Matthew Horwood.
00:03:30.340We'll just kind of break down what happened with the Ontario election last night.
00:03:33.820it kind of went to a large degree as predicted. And both opposition leaders, it sounds like,
00:03:38.360resigned in light of the results now. And we'll just talk about what that means for Ontario and
00:03:44.140what they got to do going forward. And we're going to have Peter McCaffrey with Common Sense
00:03:47.440Calgary on. He's just going to round out the show. He'll be here in person. And we're going to chat
00:03:51.760about that, just that, again, insanely large $87 billion climate plan put out by the city of
00:04:00.160Calgary that I just, I'm still floored by that number. Maybe Mr. McCaffrey can, you know, shed
00:04:05.580some light on whether this is really even going to happen or how we could possibly pay for something
00:04:09.840like that. All right, so I'm going to get on to some news and some good news, something optimistic
00:04:15.280of it to me. It's been a good week for Alberta First Nations. To start with, a long-standing
00:04:20.860land claim with the Siksika First Nation east of Calgary has been settled, and the Enoch First
00:04:26.080nation west of Edmonton has announced the construction of a charter surgical facility
00:04:30.140on their land. Both good news things. Starting with the Siksika settlement, while many modern
00:04:35.360interpretations of treaty obligations have been dubious, one thing that has been crystal clear
00:04:39.760within all treaties has been the delineation of borders within the reserves. Treaties are usually
00:04:44.500pretty simple documents and they're all online to be seen. Canada changed the terms after the fact
00:04:49.960with the Siksika reserve and took a large chunk of their land away from them. Hopefully this1.00
00:04:53.820settlement announced will lead to some final resolution so folks can start looking forward
00:04:57.800instead of back. And in fact, one of the Siksika elders said precisely that during the press event
00:05:02.680on the reserve yesterday. And it was heartening to hear. Now, on to the fantastic new venture
00:05:08.400announced by the Enoch Cree First Nation. Chief Billy Moran has been heading the Enoch Cree since
00:05:15.0402015 and he hit the ground running. He's a pragmatic young leader and he intends to diversify the
00:05:19.760economy on his reserve, predominantly through healthcare services. So Moran has spoken in the
00:05:24.480past of setting things up from birthing centers to research facilities for diabetes. He sees
00:05:28.840an opportunity for his people in the field of health due to the rigid regulations hindering
00:05:33.600development of private facilities off of reserve land. It's a real creative idea. The first big
00:05:38.300healthcare facility on his reserve is now set to be built next year. The Enoch Cree Nation has
00:05:43.460partnered with Surgical Centers Incorporated to open up a surgical center that's going to offer
00:05:47.720up to 3,000, publicly funded, still in the health system, people aren't paying out of pocket,
00:05:52.420knee and hip replacements a year. This would work in conjunction with Alberta Health Services,
00:05:56.800and the provincial government appears eager to help the project along. Now, waiting lists for
00:06:01.060healthcare in Canada's socialized healthcare system are terrible, and they've been growing.
00:06:05.500In Alberta, it takes an average of 26 weeks just to get a surgical consultation for a knee or hip
00:06:10.800replacement. After that, it takes nearly a year on average to actually get the surgical procedure
00:06:16.080you're done. So you're talking a year and change from pain to treatment in this system. Meanwhile,
00:06:21.680patients are in a painful, debilitated condition. They're often out of work while waiting for
00:06:25.580surgery and they're taking a lot of painkillers. We got to shorten these times. The new center
00:06:30.100on the Enoch Cree Reserve will be a godsend for thousands of Albertans. Facilities providing
00:06:34.740private care within the public system are vulnerable to Canada's ideologically driven
00:06:38.780environment. While the Canby Clinic in BC was a great success, it's under constant legal attack
00:06:43.860from the NDP government that opposes all private care, even if it benefits patients and taxpayers
00:06:48.160alike. It makes Canada a difficult and risky place for healthcare investments. With Canadian
00:06:53.440First Nations getting in on the private provision of healthcare, though, we could be seeing a game
00:06:56.860changer. First Nations exist in a semi-autonomous state within Canada. Reserves are largely
00:07:02.320self-governing and they're exempt from many local laws. That's why you can still smoke indoors at a
00:07:06.720First Nations casino, for example. If a First Nations healthcare facility faces legal challenges
00:07:11.260from leftist governments, the challenges will probably lose. And even if the challenge wins,
00:07:16.040a reserve can be inclined to tell the courts to get stuffed, and there won't be much repercussion.
00:07:20.540But the left would rather have people die on waiting lists than reform the health care system.
00:07:24.800They'd also rather walk on hot coals barefoot before getting into a battle with First Nations.
00:07:29.320How would it look if Rachel Notley became premier again? It would look bad in a number of ways.
00:07:33.060But then she tried to shut down the health care facility on the Enoch Cree Reserve.
00:07:37.120How many people on reserves would she be willing to put out of work?
00:07:40.640Most major cities in Western Canada have First Nation Reserves,
00:09:28.100So here's what we got on the side at the moment.
00:09:29.940Our publisher, Derek Fildebrand, has written a column saying the Prime Minister and many of the premiers across Canada owe the public an apology for the way they've been treated during the COVID vaccination lockdown.
00:09:44.460So that's a very good read and leading off our website at the moment.
00:09:48.440Speaking of National Itching Day, monkeypox has arrived in Alberta.
00:09:53.700The very first case was confirmed by Dr. Dina Hinshaw Thursday night,
00:09:59.760so our Amanda Brown has got a story up on that, and it does look horribly itchy.
00:10:06.320Our Linda Slobodin's got a very sad story developing in Winnipeg,
00:10:11.440where a young Indigenous woman was murdered mid-last month.
00:12:27.180Yeah, I'm going to have to bring that dog into the standard headquarters
00:12:32.000at some point or another, but he is so terribly behaved,
00:12:34.280you'd probably just make a complete havoc here.
00:12:36.800So whenever I have decided it'll be my last day of the standard, if that happens, you know, perhaps I'll go out with a big bang and bring Duke in to really show everybody just how big and insane that critter I've adopted is.
00:19:24.780But where, you know, in the past one, what, Tom Cruise flipped up to die down and gave a finger to another pilot and took the picture.
00:19:31.120But in this case, it's really kind of happening, and it's Chinese pilots making fun of Canadian ones.
00:19:35.480Yeah, it's part of this operation, this United Nations operation, I believe it's called NEON, Operation NEON, which involves monitoring North Korea for sanctions violations.
00:19:53.660And we've sent a Aurora, one of our big Auroras over there with a rotating crew to take part in this operation.
00:20:03.080And it's the only thing really that we're doing as part of that.
00:20:07.340And basically, we're on the turf of, you know, in that area of the South China Sea.
00:20:16.160And China is apparently not really happy about that, about this whole operation.
00:20:20.900And they've been buzzing our pilots, this aircraft, I should say.
00:23:09.660I mean, you know, on the whole international, not just the Asia-Pacific area, and this is something we've seen for a while.
00:23:15.440I mean, Canada used to sort of punch above its weight diplomatically and militarily.
00:23:20.120I mean, we were respected peacekeepers.
00:23:22.280Of course, we certainly put our part in during the big wars and, you know, did a lot of peacekeeping and had some strong diplomatic presence on the world stage.
00:23:31.100But unfortunately, again, I lay a lot of it.
00:23:33.860I mean, this has gone on for a long time.
00:23:35.100some of these planes, I mean, there's past governments that could have upgraded or replaced
00:23:38.120these as well. But when it comes to respect on the world stage, I mean, you always see those
00:23:42.160pictures of any world gatherings, aside from the selfies and showing off the socks, when you see
00:23:46.740the serious leaders clustered and talking about things, Trudeau is literally always on the outside
00:23:50.560looking in, they don't have any time for him. No, no, I think, I think they kind of sense he's,
00:23:57.040to put it nicely, a lightweight. He's kind of a lightweight. And they realized that this guy is
00:24:05.720just, you know, he's not quite all there. And they left us out of AUKUS, which is the Australia,
00:24:16.400UK, United States submarine deal, which is a huge, huge deal, multi-billion dollar deal.
00:24:24.760it totally took Ottawa by surprise. Ottawa had no idea that this was happening and they were
00:24:31.520clearly embarrassed by it and they played it down. And then just a few months later,
00:24:36.620we got left out of another AUKUS deal. That's A-U-K-A-S. It's kind of an odd named0.94
00:24:43.560grouping. But again, the same group has signed a deal to create the latest in hypersonic missiles.
00:24:51.520And that technology is very valuable. And again, we were left out of that. And then strike three, the Quad Summit in Tokyo, which included Australia, the United States, Japan, and India.
00:25:11.160And India, for God's sake, has not even joined us in condemning what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
00:25:23.000I mean, obviously, that grouping needs India.
00:25:25.040India is a huge, a foremost economy, and it's growing quickly, and they're adding a lot of military equipment, and they're a valuable customer for the United States.
00:27:53.440when you get planes within 10 feet of each other, though, no matter how skilled both pilots may be,
00:27:58.340I mean, a terrible accident could happen. And, you know, this can't shouldn't be taken lightly.
00:28:04.380But I mean, I envision, you know, with Canada, we're not a militarized country, and, and we don't
00:28:08.480have a large force. And that's fine. But you would think in that sort of situation, then you'd want
00:28:12.560a smaller but high tech and up to date specialized force. Then I mean, what we have is a small force
00:28:18.400that's all trying to work with antiques. I mean, their sidearms are World War Two era for crying
00:28:23.140out loud and the government can't even figure out how to replace those well and that's that's a very
00:28:27.140good point all our military equipment is old and outdated our destroyers for example uh can't go
00:28:33.700into ice ice ice filled waters they can't they they their halls can't handle it uh you know and
00:28:40.580our auroras are old and yes they've uh the government has put in 252 million uh towards uh
00:28:48.420arctic and norad uh uh you know uh security but that's that's a drop in the bucket that's nothing
00:28:54.980and we are so far behind on that we simply cannot defend our north i mean even the rangers are not
00:29:01.620trained i found out that the rangers are not trained uh in tactical uh uh uh you know uh
00:29:09.460training i was so shocked to find that out that they're they're i mean our troops our troops our
00:29:15.060our armed forces are world class. Our pilots are world class. We stack up against the best
00:29:23.020in the world. Absolutely. No question. And yet we're not supporting them. And it's always
00:29:29.720been like that. And especially the Liberals. The Liberals have always been just, they hate
00:29:35.340to give any money to the military. And we need these new aircraft to replace, you know, the
00:29:43.920auroras the poseidon which is basically a 737 converted into a uh you know a survey long a long
00:29:52.160range uh uh uh marine maritime uh uh surveillance aircraft which with multiple capabilities and only
00:30:01.520now have we only now uh april one was the deadline for info for information to submit against uh you
00:30:09.920know in the competition but the poseidon pretty much will probably be the one which we choose
00:30:16.400because there's hundreds of offsets hundreds of industrial offsets which our economy needs and
00:30:24.720also getting back to the quad summit and also AUKUS those countries Australia UK all these
00:30:34.960countries have set up all these high-tech sectors for for for uh technology for uh which will
00:30:43.520benefit all those countries india japan it'll benefit all of them uh high-tech sectors and we
00:30:49.840are being left out of it which is just terrible and on the heels on the heels of mr morneau's
00:30:57.360comments yesterday about how canada is losing its competition you know we're not we're not
00:31:02.960we're tech you know technologically in our our you know economical competition we're falling by
00:31:09.840the wayside and this is a and and and i think he's right i think he's i think he's totally right
00:31:16.080and and and i never liked marno i never did but on this one i think he's right and and and we are
00:31:22.000falling behind and we we have a lot to catch up on we haven't even signed the f-35 deal that deal is
00:31:29.360going to be signed in we're still negotiating that for 88 jets supposed to be signed in in
00:31:37.120in uh the fall we still haven't and there are like uh 14 countries that are already
00:31:44.240ordered it and flying it we are the last the last you know we're the laggard we're always the
00:31:52.480laggard and i just don't understand why why we don't think that's important do we always just
00:31:58.000depend on the americans the american defensive umbrella don't we i mean are we not you know it
00:32:04.640just doesn't make any sense no and it's frustrating you know especially with a country as large as
00:32:09.600ours and with as much border to have to deal with and and uh you know the potential insecurity we
00:32:14.480have in a lot of ways as i said even if we could have enough out there that we command respect
00:32:18.960it translates to more than military i mean when you have these foreign summits trade deals can
00:32:23.200be arranged or uh other bilateral actions when you when your prime minister is shut out by every
00:32:29.520serious leader in the country in the world you just can't make those bigger deals it costs us
00:32:33.680on a lot more levels than just militarily and people don't realize that it's a major setback
00:32:38.560these are major setbacks and uh we should have we should have jumped into the f-35 sooner i mean uh
00:32:45.040And that there's the whole question of interoperability with our with our allies is super important. I mean, all you got to do is look at what's happening in Ukraine. Is Putin going to turn his eyes on the Arctic? What's he going to do next?
00:33:02.280you know we we got to jump on it before it it gets out of hand and um i i i i could say the 252
00:33:11.500million it's just a drop in a bucket that's nothing that's absolutely nothing it's just
00:33:16.860but it's what our governments what the liberal government is ready to uh do that's it see what
00:33:24.120happens i guess speaking of international trade though before i let you go so i hear you're going
00:33:28.100to be making quite a trip to a pretty unique show in Paris pretty soon yes yes I'm going to a show
00:33:34.560called Euro Satori and it's the biggest arm show in the world and they haven't had one for two
00:33:41.560years because of COVID but they're relaunching it this year and I'm really looking forward to it
00:33:47.620everybody everybody except the Russians will be there I understand a few companies from China
00:33:53.220will also be there, but not very many. And it's because of COVID, this COVID situation in China.
00:33:59.360It's nothing to do with Ukraine, but the Russians will not be allowed. But everybody else will be,0.98
00:34:05.740and it is a massive, massive show with all the latest weaponry, drones, helicopters,
00:34:14.760tanks, you name it, it's going to be there. And I'm really excited to see this. And I hope to
00:34:22.480to maybe we can do a segment from Paris for your show.
00:34:28.160Hopefully we can tell the listeners here what your Satori is about
00:34:34.540and some of the cool things that are happening in that world of, you know,
00:50:24.820Matthew or Jonathan, did you kind of expect or see that coming?
00:50:28.040I expected to see that coming because it's her fourth election as NDP leader and eventually you kind of have to know when to step aside. And since she lost seats this election, it seems like a reasonable time to do so. I think that the next leader for the Ontario NDP will be Peter Tabbins. He's the NDP MPP for Toronto Danforth. I suspect that he'll be the next NDP leader because he ran in the previous leadership race.
00:50:58.040Okay. So, yeah, there's going to be a couple of leadership races on the go. I wonder, maybe I'll start with Matthew, like something that might happen. I'm looking at the numbers, though. It was like 41%, which still gave Ford a very strong majority. That's what happens in our first past the post system when we have more than two parties going on.
00:51:14.180But I mean, do you think when it comes to left and center left, you might see a bit of a unity movement like that's what happened in Alberta, you know, when we split the right and Notley got in, but maybe a couple of there might be leadership candidates with the NDP or Liberals saying, look, we've got to unify under one of these or we're never going to get forward out of there.
00:51:30.960Anticipate maybe some of that might go on.
00:51:33.840For sure. I'm not really in the prediction game, but you could see them, the Liberals and the NDP working together at this point.
00:51:39.560would make more sense than going after each other and and being at each other's throats when ford is
00:51:44.120just kind of staying in the background being very quiet and that's kind of how he uh slided the
00:51:49.000victory you know he didn't go out there um and do a lot of press conferences his handlers were very
00:51:54.200cautious about having him do interviews and say anything more than he needed to say so um i think
00:51:59.640that was a good strategy for him was just to lay low you know to to talk about his legacy and what
00:52:04.040he's going to do to build highways and get it you know get it done as he said build infrastructure
00:52:08.440that was the right move. But going back to your question, I do think it would be wise for the
00:52:12.520Liberals and the NDP to try and do something similar to what has been going on on the federal
00:52:17.180level and have an alliance. But again, we got a long time before the next election and who knows
00:52:23.460what can happen between then and there, you know? Oh, yeah. And I mean, it's just and there's always
00:52:28.460going to be I don't think they'll ever merge or come formally together even as parties. But when
00:52:33.200you got parallel leadership races going on, I could see that as a time when individual candidates
00:52:37.300might push that. I mean, people with party allegiances, like in Alberta, the Liberal Party
00:52:41.280here under their last leader, I think they got something like 1% or something. It was that much
00:52:45.680of a slaughter. And they've had opportunities to merge with other center-left parties in Alberta,
00:52:49.760and they still said, no, we can't do it. We got to hold on to our brand. And that shows how stubborn
00:52:54.400some people can be with party brand. But at least, you know, the bottom line is the members and the
00:52:59.440supporters fled the party because they wouldn't be pragmatic. So, you know, I'm just thinking as
00:53:03.940as these leadership races emerge, as Jonathan, you said, there's already an NDP kind of contender,
00:53:09.360but maybe others will come out along the lines of just trying to talk about more of a unity on the
00:53:13.320left. Yeah, that could be possible. With the Ontario Liberals, their leadership race, I'm not
00:53:19.340I have a feeling that the next Ontario Liberal leader will be Bonnie Crombie, the Mississauga
00:53:25.100mayor. I have a friend of mine who is pretty involved in Ontario politics. And he was telling
00:53:29.640me that Bonnie Crombie has been already fundraising for a potential run to become the next Ontario
00:53:35.040Liberal leader, so I wouldn't be surprised if she entered. Okay, and then the Green Party, of course,
00:53:40.320they maintained their one seat comfortably, but there was another one, I don't have that on hand,
00:53:43.740I think where they came really perilously close to winning another seat out there.
00:53:47.760The Greens just aren't a factor again out here at all, well, until you get to BC.
00:53:51.940Do you think, you know, Matthew, like, have they got room to grow as a presence,
00:53:55.940or will they just kind of stay with their one or two seats?
00:53:59.640I don't think they're going to become a very large force on the provincial stage.
00:54:04.060The problem with the Greens that I've seen is that a lot of their policies are very forward thinking,
00:54:08.820but they kind of get stolen or co-opted by the NDP and the Liberals.
00:54:13.900And they're also, of course, you know, basically a one issue party for the most part of the environment,
00:54:18.360which just doesn't it's not as as as sexy as some of the other issues that were talked about during the campaign.
00:54:24.500And we saw, you know, the talk of the highway that was going to be built.
00:54:27.300the big the NDPs and liberals were saying well it's going to go through this green space and
00:54:32.480it's going to destroy a lot of habitat but then for I think for the average Ontario voter they
00:54:37.060don't like being in traffic they want more infrastructure they want to be able to get
00:54:40.580from point a to point b a lot quicker so caring about the environment is just secondary to bigger
00:54:45.920issues of quality of life affordability of you know just living good lives and that's the problem
00:54:51.540with the greens and why I don't think that they're going to become a really big force
00:54:54.120in Ontario. Yeah, well, it's hard to worry that much about the birds and the bees if you can't
00:55:00.240pay the rent. So many times you can get those luxuries of voting for things like that. But
00:55:05.720times like now, it's a little more difficult and on a fringe. So maybe, Jonathan, the other thing,
00:55:10.780speaking of alternative parties, or if you'd want to call them fringe or whatnot,
00:55:14.500the other two newcomers on the right didn't really make any inroads last night, did they?
00:55:18.620no uh new blue and the ontario party didn't pick up any seats um for new blue uh belinda
00:55:26.480carahelios lost her seat in cambridge it went to the pcmp pc candidate and jim carahelios didn't
00:55:34.620win his seat in kitchener conestoga it went to the pc mpp and then with the ontario party same
00:55:42.660thing uh derek sloan didn't win a seat in hastings lennox and eyington and rick nichols didn't win
00:55:47.800his seat in Chatham, Looney, and Tim Kent. There was an independent candidate, though. This was
00:55:52.040kind of surprising to me. Her name's Bobbie N. Brady. She won the seat in Haldeman, Norfolk.0.94
00:55:58.240She worked as the executive assistant to the former PCMPP, Toby Barrett. I hadn't even heard
00:56:04.660of her until election day, but it was interesting seeing that area on the map go gray because
00:56:09.520typically Haldeman, Norfolk is a conservative stronghold. So Matthew, I mean, in that case
00:56:14.700the independent too i mean that that must have been a heck of a campaign i mean if it came in
00:56:17.900under the radar you know you it's rare for an independent to win anywhere anytime in our system
00:56:23.340and to have somebody do it quietly you know whereas people didn't see it coming even uh
00:56:27.260you know what happened there how did this do you know much about that anomaly absolutely that was
00:56:31.660totally out of left field i certainly didn't know that that was going to happen but uh you look at
00:56:35.980her history and it makes sense i mean she was the executive assistant to conservative mpp tony barrett
00:56:41.340for 23 years she was a provincial and national gold medalist and kickboxing um you read on her
00:56:46.700website she was really presented herself as an outsider candidate and outside of traditional
00:56:51.900uh political spheres so i i think she had a must have run a very interesting campaign i'm going to
00:56:57.820be speaking with her at three o'clock this afternoon and i'm going to ask her about how
00:57:01.660she managed to pull that off because that was that's really something i really want to know
00:57:05.100what uh how she managed that yeah well it's those outliers are certainly more interesting than seeing
00:57:09.900you know, others who kind of slid in with the party bunch. I mean, something else, you know,
00:57:15.400I noted yesterday, I think you guys weren't on at the time, but there's that trend Ontario tends to
00:57:19.720have, which seems that they elect a party that whatever is the opposite of the federal government,
00:57:25.360they're going to put in provincially. It's like they want to hedge their bets, you know, when
00:57:28.680the Conservatives were in, they put a Liberal into the legislature. And when the Liberals are in,
00:57:33.900they'll put the Conservatives in. Is this a conscious thing, Jonathan, or is it just the
00:57:39.480way it kind of happens you think well i was actually listening back to what you said earlier
00:57:44.900and i was like oh i'm like cory is like i don't think cory's accurate and the one i actually went
00:57:48.320and looked i was like oh cory was right um one interesting point to build on that um when i was
00:57:53.480at the the ontario pc watch party uh when ford came on space to give his victory speech he talked
00:58:00.120about how if you voted for the federal liberals there's room for you in our party which was
00:58:04.540interesting to hear because it's like oh wow like you're really trying to make like a big tent and
00:58:07.600include people who might not see themselves in the Ontario PC party. Yeah, and I guess, I mean,
00:58:13.420a federal government always just provides a convenient foil for somebody to campaign against.
00:58:18.300I mean, it gives you a boogeyman you can point at, whether it's liberal on one end or conservative
00:58:24.300on the other. I imagine we're going to see a lot of that in Alberta. Of course, it's always an
00:58:28.340open game to campaign against the federal liberal government more effectively than campaigning
00:58:33.940against even your local opponents sometimes.
00:58:36.160So perhaps, I mean, a bit of that was in play.
00:58:38.740I mean, how's Matthew, like, what's the relationship
00:58:41.560between Ford and the Liberals these days federally?
00:59:02.460I mean, does it seem to be productive going forward?
00:59:07.020Yeah, it's certainly a productive relationship.
00:59:08.940I would argue it's not been as bad as Jason Kenney and the Liberals.
00:59:14.300There's not as much of a disagreement there.
00:59:17.920But I mean, certainly they're working together.
00:59:19.780They're seeing paths through political differences and they're getting things done.
00:59:23.020I mean, Ontario is the most populous, most economically important province.
00:59:28.500So the Trudeau is going to have to, you know, get along, you know, that's my take on that issue.
00:59:36.800Yeah, absolutely. Well, and Doug Ford certainly, I mean, he has a strong mandate now.
00:59:40.820You can't deny that, you know, people have spoken electorally as far as that goes.
00:59:44.720So I guess as I wrap things up, you know, Jonathan, what do you think we got to look forward to?
00:59:49.400Do you think there's any big cabinet changes or new initiatives or anything like that coming out of this government?
00:59:54.540Well, one big change to watch is who's going to become the deputy premier. So Christine Elliott, who was the deputy premier under Ford in the last term, she didn't seek re-election. I suspect that the new deputy premier will be Paul Calandra, who's the long-term care minister right now. And I think it'll be him because he has some cabinet experience.
01:00:17.260Another big change that I'm really looking forward to watching
01:00:19.680is if they keep Stephen Lecce on as education minister.
01:00:23.400He took a ton of flack from teachers unions
01:01:02.620The question will be how he responds to the growing crises, you know, of rising food costs, inflation, you know, potential of another pandemic.
01:01:12.080if monkeypox ends up being a big thing.
01:01:14.060I know some of the attention has gone away from that,
01:01:16.040but there's always seems to be this talk
01:10:53.060They've had a carbon tax for a long time out there now.
01:10:55.500And the numbers year after year after year, it has not impacted the emissions.
01:10:59.860And that's part of the other thing as well.
01:11:02.400I mean, even if they managed to blow this $87 billion and, you know, common sense doesn't somehow come into them by that point, and even if all of those policies come into being and they really have that much transit and that many people, the impact it will actually have on the climate is going to be pretty negligible.
01:11:20.420Yeah, and I think it's also important to remember that it will probably end up being more than $175,000 because it's – so their argument is that they're going to try and get the province and the federal government to pay
01:11:32.380for some of this, which, okay, fine. And on first glance, that might sound like a good idea. We can
01:11:37.860have somebody else pay for it. But exactly. Yeah. If you're a Calgary taxpayer, guess what? You pay
01:11:42.960provincial and federal taxes. Now, if you're a Montreal taxpayer, and you get the provincial or
01:11:48.080the federal government to pay for something, especially the federal government, that's actually
01:11:51.400a benefit to you. Because what that means is Alberta taxpayers are subsidizing whatever it
01:11:55.800is that the federal government is paying for a Montreal taxpayer. But if the provincial and
01:12:00.520federal government are subsidizing something for the Calgary municipality, well, you can bet that
01:12:05.760they're going to do the same thing for all the other cities around the country as well.
01:12:09.020And Alberta and Calgary taxpayers subsidize taxpayers in the rest of the country. So we're
01:12:13.500not only going to be paying the $87 billion to do this in Calgary, we're going to be paying more
01:12:17.880through our federal taxes to help other cities do this as well. The economic horror cycle just
01:12:21.800kind of continues. So I mean, is there any chance of heading this off? I mean, right now, it's just
01:12:26.180a policy proposal uh it's being embraced by gondek and a few of the members of council but it doesn't
01:12:31.220mean it's been passed or implemented i mean can opposition start rising and amend this thing or
01:12:36.360scrap it or anything of this sort i mean yes um we we have a petition on the common sense calgary
01:12:42.500website commonsensecalgary.com where we're encouraging people to get involved and just
01:12:46.440uh you know like you said organize uh we don't want to learn any policies lessons from the the
01:12:51.620left-wingers but we can definitely learn some organizing lessons and that's what we're trying
01:12:55.480do on this issue and the more people we can get to sign that petition the more people we get to
01:12:58.840realize that this is just a completely insane idea the more that will help um but we also have to
01:13:03.960recognize that you know this is a long ongoing battle they did exactly the same thing with the
01:13:08.520green line you know uh first the green line was just a policy proposal and it was just a hypothetical
01:13:13.480and there were just some random costings and and uh you know and then eventually through the levers
01:13:19.480of government, the wheels churn and churn over time. And it's just this, you know, just
01:13:26.080has its own momentum, right? So we really need not just to be opposing one off things
01:13:31.260like this, but really getting the average Calgarian to have a better understanding of
01:13:34.980what's happening at City Hall, and how we can stop some of these things in the long
01:24:28.420Just that reminder, it's Common Sense Calgary.
01:24:30.700And just get online and check them out, guys.
01:24:33.860And, you know, helps keep you up to date.
01:24:35.760And for the listeners and viewers outside of Calgary,
01:24:38.380I mean, this is a municipal issue everywhere.
01:24:40.300You know, there's organizations and there's people
01:24:42.420or activities, you know, to keep pushing back.
01:24:44.560Well, and there are also Common Sense groups in Edmonton, Red Deer, Lethbridge, and Medicine Hat as well, so you can go check out those groups as well.
01:24:51.520Excellent. All right, well, good to see you, Peter. Thanks for coming in.