Western Standard - Triggered： Progressivism is destroying cities

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 good morning it's august 2nd 2022 welcome to triggered i'm cory morgan yes tuesday day after

00:00:40.100 the august long weekend for those people who got it anyways i hope it was a good one for you the

00:00:44.640 weather sure was hot enough out there if you were camping or doing any sorts of outdoor things

00:00:49.360 some people were getting their vehicles beaten to death by a freak hailstorm up north i'm sure

00:00:55.620 that'll be blamed on climate change as well.

00:00:58.240 Good to see you guys checking in.

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00:01:17.580 We can get upset and worked up.

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00:01:22.520 just a little forceful at times.

00:01:25.240 So good to see you all checking in there, guys, after the weekend.

00:01:27.900 Everywhere from Monty Lake to Ceiba Beach and Swan Hills, all good.

00:01:33.000 So let's see what's going on this week.

00:01:35.540 Well, this day, we've got National Coloring Book Day.

00:01:38.840 This is a big one for Prime Minister Trudeau, who right now is vacationing in Costa Rica.

00:01:46.500 So I imagine on the beach, he's taking advantage of that with his favorite coloring book

00:01:50.260 and trying to, you know, make the best colors and art forms that he can.

00:01:56.220 There was an article that just came out that one of the top gifts he's been getting over the years

00:02:00.100 from foreign diplomats and things actually were portraits of himself.

00:02:03.280 I guess they know, let's give him what he loves, and that's pictures of himself.

00:02:07.480 So he can, perhaps he's coloring those pictures right now.

00:02:11.080 It's also, this is one that's kind of going out of style, take a penny, leave a penny day.

00:02:15.580 You know, for those, it's amazing, pennies have been gone as long as they have already in Canada anyways, and they're not even in much use in the States anymore.

00:02:23.800 But there used to be that, you know, little item there where you could use a couple cents for those odd things with the GST and odd change and everything.

00:02:31.480 Well, there's still a take a penny, leave a penny day apparently, and this is the day you're supposed to celebrate it.

00:02:37.400 So even if we don't have pennies anymore, you can look back nostalgically on those days

00:02:42.240 where those copper pocket clutter used to be hanging around with you and building up

00:02:46.660 in piggy banks and jars and, I don't know, bedside tables, wherever you stick them, rattling

00:02:51.520 around in your dryer.

00:02:53.040 Also, one other thing, it's on a personal note, but it's my grandmother's 103rd birthday

00:02:57.600 today.

00:02:59.040 Now I know Nana's not a viewer of my show.

00:03:01.420 She's not quite at the place of watching, you know, politically hyped up shows and everything

00:03:05.640 else, but she's made it 103 fantastic years. I've been a very lucky young man to have such a long

00:03:11.360 lived grandmother like that. And she's been a fantastic lady. So just acknowledging and letting

00:03:17.420 you guys know, see, for those folks who watch because they can't stand me, your chances of me

00:03:21.700 being taken out early in this lifetime are pretty slim. We're pretty long lived and stubborn people.

00:03:26.540 So happy birthday, Nana. And let's see if we can get you to 104. All right, I'll get onto the show 0.97

00:03:32.380 now on some of the things. We've got guests, Kevin Hoa of the National Police Federation,

00:03:37.320 and he's going to be talking. They've got quite an initiative. It's basically the union for the

00:03:41.460 RCMP, and they're very much in opposition to the prospect of an Alberta police force. You can see

00:03:48.780 why, I guess, and things like that. I'm pretty supportive of an Alberta police force, but we

00:03:53.440 want to hear all sides, and they've got an initiative going on, so we'll discuss that with

00:03:56.540 them and see where they're going with things, since they've really been organizing with

00:04:00.220 municipalities and others to try and push back against any push for a provincial police force.

00:04:05.220 And then I've got retired justice, Brian Giesbrecht on. I messed up last Friday with the

00:04:09.720 scheduling and we didn't get him on the show, but that's okay. He's coming back today and it's

00:04:13.680 going to be kind of police related in a sense. It's, it's onto the residential school issue.

00:04:18.700 Again, I keep following up with that issue, but we're going to talk about with the retired

00:04:22.200 justice, like why has there not been criminal investigations into all these alleged graves,

00:04:28.160 you know so maybe it's time to call for maybe it's time to get them out there all right let's see

00:04:32.240 what i'm gonna get going on today well it's a municipal thing i got my inspiration as i walked

00:04:37.600 to work well the last part anyways i can't walk from prittis one of the most common things i hear

00:04:42.540 used to hear from visitors visitors to calgary was how impressed they were with how clean and safe

00:04:46.540 the city was particularly the downtown and having traveled extensively during my time in the oil

00:04:51.580 field i had to agree i've not heard people say that about calgary in a long time now and in

00:04:56.060 working downtown this last year, it's not hard to see why. The smell of human urine permeates

00:05:01.240 every underpass and garbage is strewn everywhere. Parks have full-time security personnel working

00:05:06.520 within them as they supervise people scattered along the benches in various degrees of inebriation

00:05:11.360 if they aren't in the middle of openly consuming hard drugs. Discarded syringes are commonplace and

00:05:16.500 people walk with their heads down to avoid making eye contact with the all-too-common tripped-out

00:05:21.340 addicts aggressively bouncing around on the streets. A downturn in oil prices coupled with

00:05:26.920 a decade of massive business tax hikes has led to chronic commercial vacancies in downtown

00:05:31.320 Calgary. For lease signs pepper the windows of street front businesses and those that remain

00:05:35.720 open are struggling. Street parking all but gone as bike lanes have taken over at the expense of

00:05:41.000 the businesses that used to rely on customers coming by car. Contrary to claims by progressive

00:05:45.220 city councilors, cyclists are terrible customers who rarely reach into their spandex to spend money

00:05:49.880 local businesses. Bike lanes are not a business boon. Calgary's transit system has been given

00:05:54.940 away to addicts and criminals. Years of permissive approaches to disorders allow disruptive elements

00:06:00.040 to take over the system. And while City Hall is constantly decrying the lack of ridership

00:06:03.960 on transit, they also refuse to crack down on the crime in the system. It would run contrary

00:06:08.340 to their defund the police attitudes. While Calgary City Council has hinted and pushed

00:06:13.520 periodically at defunding the force, they have failed. They've constantly battled with the city

00:06:17.860 police though and officer morale is at an all-time low. They can't fill positions and officers are

00:06:22.140 burning out. Crimes rising in the suburbs as criminals use the empty LRT system to travel

00:06:26.860 into residential areas to commit property crimes. And then we got this urban density focused city

00:06:31.500 hall trying to fight consumer demand and cork outward growth. And this just led to a flight

00:06:35.680 of both commercial enterprises and people to counties outside of the city limits. The most

00:06:40.580 frightening thing of it all is this is just the beginning. There's a long way to go down yet

00:06:44.160 and living examples right now just south of the border.

00:06:47.280 Just look at every American city, and I mean every one of them,

00:06:50.380 where it's dominated by progressive governments and policies.

00:06:53.000 San Francisco, human feces is a common sight on the sidewalks,

00:06:56.760 and thieves walk into businesses and just take items without fear of legal repercussions.

00:07:02.100 The soft-on-crime approach has predictably become an abject failure,

00:07:05.580 but the city stubbornly sticks to it.

00:07:07.860 Portland had some residential areas become virtual war zones

00:07:11.000 as squatters have occupied private rental properties,

00:07:13.360 and the law won't evict them.

00:07:15.260 Landlords are desperately trying to sell at massive discounts

00:07:17.700 if they can find a buyer at all.

00:07:19.960 People residing within private homes

00:07:21.320 and the problematic districts have taken to barricading themselves

00:07:24.480 in their homes at night and keeping the arms handy.

00:07:26.800 Just Google it. You'll see the articles. It's unbelievable.

00:07:29.160 And Portland used to be such a nice, peaceful city.

00:07:32.300 Minneapolis. They defunded their police force.

00:07:34.540 It was a catastrophe.

00:07:37.540 You know, people basically begged for the return of funding

00:07:39.680 and it was brought back, but the cost was done.

00:07:41.380 The damage was done.

00:07:42.440 Minneapolis is also dealing with homeless encampments and high crime.

00:07:45.400 Chicago, look at it again, a war zone with more murders per year than the entire country of Canada.

00:07:50.440 These are all progressive cities.

00:07:52.240 Calgary, Edmonton, and Regina aren't nearly in the shape of those cities yet, but they're on their way.

00:07:56.800 City councils in all those cities are parroting the same progressive lines that civic politicians did in all those American cities.

00:08:02.660 At least the American politics, they can be forgiven, you know, given some slack because they hadn't tried this stuff before.

00:08:09.800 Canadian municipal leaders can't use that excuse.

00:08:12.260 We're heading into a recession, and we're in the grips of an opioid addiction crisis,

00:08:15.740 and things are going to be getting rough and fast.

00:08:18.000 There's no simple answers, but a degree of increased crime and homelessness,

00:08:23.100 I mean, it's pretty much inevitable.

00:08:25.040 We need to make efforts to contain the disorder rather than enable it, though.

00:08:27.680 When addicts take over public transit stations as they did in Calgary,

00:08:31.240 the city needs to step up and clean them out rather than close the stations to the public as they did.

00:08:35.540 When property crime is increasing in the suburbs, we need to increase the police presence

00:08:39.000 and follow through with charges, not keep talking about defunding police. When businesses are

00:08:43.320 fleeing the city, the city has to re-examine its high-tax, high-spending models. Cities like Calgary

00:08:48.280 might be doomed to swirl a progressive toilet, a disorder, and crime, but at least nobody can

00:08:52.880 pretend to say they didn't see it coming. And it's going to be one of those opportunities where I say

00:08:58.340 I told you so. All right, enough of my nagging and telling. So let's talk to our news editor,

00:09:04.340 Dave Naylor, from the newsroom and see what else is going on out there. Hey, Dave, how's it going?

00:09:08.240 Good morning, Corey.

00:09:09.500 Happy birthday to your grandmother, 103.

00:09:11.820 Wow.

00:09:12.600 Did she get a card from the Queen?

00:09:16.720 You know, she got something when she turned 100.

00:09:19.980 I don't know.

00:09:20.720 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

00:09:22.700 My grandfather turned 100 and he got a card from the Queen.

00:09:26.800 So it's a nice milestone and a nice keepsake to have.

00:09:30.620 Yeah, especially putting up with jerky kids and grandchildren like she has.

00:09:35.880 Yeah.

00:09:36.180 I had a great relationship with all my grandparents, and I was very fortunate to do so because they made a big impact on my life.

00:09:44.620 And I feel sorry for those people who don't have such a relationship.

00:09:49.060 Yeah, no, we're lucky. We never take it for granted.

00:09:52.680 Exactly. Very busy news morning, Corey.

00:09:55.400 We've got a shocking story up from our Christopher Oldcorn about a police investigation into 18 complaints from a Saskatoon Christian Academy.

00:10:07.960 All sorts of stories of students being beaten and in one case basically kidnapped and given an exorcism.

00:10:16.460 So there's some shocking details there.

00:10:18.220 It's all in the hands of the Crown Prosecutor's Office now, and Saskatoon Police say the investigation is still open if more students want to come forward, more than the 18 that currently have.

00:10:32.520 We've got a story from our young Jonathan Bradley, who this weekend went to a gay bar drag event, a family drag event.

00:10:42.040 80 people, kids as young as two, were in attendance for the drag performance.

00:10:47.720 Most of them were between six and eight.

00:10:50.520 So you can read that and Jonathan will fill you in on what happened.

00:10:55.280 A group of U.S. healthcare workers in Illinois have settled for a $10 million payment

00:11:03.160 in a class action suit against the healthcare unit forcing mandatory vaccination on them.

00:11:09.300 So they went to court and it was ruled unconstitutional. So they're celebrating with a $10 million payout.

00:11:18.500 Linda Slobodian's got a very good column on the woke attitude and basically anti-white attitude that's permeating the Canadian Armed Forces at the moment. 0.97

00:11:28.400 She's got a hold of six months worth of internal emails in the Armed Forces. And it's very interesting to read some of them.

00:11:39.300 Arthur Green, our legislature reporter, has got a story up there from Brian Jean vowing to get tough with Quebec if he becomes Premier.

00:11:48.740 And our Mike Thomas has done a story on Nancy Pelosi basically saying a big F you to China.

00:11:56.320 And she has just landed about an hour ago in Taiwan for a very controversial visit that will sure inflame the situation on the Taiwan street, Corey.

00:12:06.660 To come, we're just working on a story. You may have seen the reports this weekend on the fairly large quarter million dollar bonus that our chief medical officer, Dina Hinshaw, got last year. I think it was $227,000 to be exact.

00:12:23.160 So Melanie Resden is garnering reaction from the Taxpayers Federation and Daniel Smith and Brian Jean. And I can tell you, Corey, no one is overly thrilled with that amount of a bonus.

00:12:36.660 No, that's a pretty healthy amount.

00:12:39.020 I mean, it's just unimaginable to get bonuses at the level that we don't even make in our regular salary.

00:12:45.760 But it's quite a hit of stories to get the blood pressure going this morning, Dave.

00:12:51.000 Yep, it's a good morning, and I'm sure it'll continue on through the afternoon.

00:12:55.420 Right on.

00:12:56.100 Well, thank you for the updates, and I'll rant about them throughout the course of the show, and I'll talk to you afterwards.

00:13:01.820 Thanks, Corey.

00:13:03.240 Thanks, Dave.

00:13:04.100 That's our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:13:05.800 so I was a little distracted. Yes, we do seem to be under quite a spam attack with these

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00:13:15.520 but they're really coming in there. So it'll probably pass in a little while. So yes,

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00:15:50.620 Yeah, there's quite the stories on the Western Standard right now, 0.99

00:15:52.920 as Dave was bringing up with that bizarre one with a Christian school out in Saskatchewan.

00:16:00.280 They were paddling kids. 0.83

00:16:01.360 They were trying this crazed exorcism for a kid they determined was gay. 0.84

00:16:07.220 It sounds like it's all catching up on them now. 0.93

00:16:10.240 You know, leave the kids alone.

00:16:13.420 And this is on left and right.

00:16:14.840 This is where we get the problems.

00:16:15.960 You know, we get so many, this fixation from the activist element of a lot of, you know, the trans community and things like that, where they always just, they want to read story time to kids.

00:16:29.420 They want to push it on kids.

00:16:30.640 Let them grow up. 0.99

00:16:31.580 I got no problems with trans people.

00:16:33.020 I got no problems with the LGBTQ community. 1.00

00:16:35.360 But leave the damn kids alone. 1.00

00:16:37.700 And likewise, though, if you're a crazed Bible thump and lunatics in school were, leave those kids alone. 1.00

00:16:43.040 Hey, if you really believe in your powerful God, good for you. 0.95

00:16:45.720 Let God take care of it.

00:16:47.320 Don't try and paddle it out of them.

00:16:49.780 Either way, I'm sure there's going to be some very serious lawsuits

00:16:54.100 following up on that oddity and bizarreness that's going on.

00:16:58.280 So that's sort of a rough story going on.

00:17:00.580 At the same time, though, yeah, our own Jonathan Bradley went on the weekend

00:17:04.240 to a bar in Calgary and attended a drag show.

00:17:08.340 It was a family-invited drag show and things like that.

00:17:12.060 And, and, uh, at the end of the story, he does point out like a person who's a, a trans

00:17:16.260 or, or, or drag, you know, drag queen type, just saying, look, just leave the kids. 0.85

00:17:20.760 We don't need the kids there. 0.98

00:17:21.600 We can have our fun.

00:17:22.280 We can do our things.

00:17:23.200 We don't need them there.

00:17:24.580 I don't know why it's so unreasonable just to say, keep these things adult, you know,

00:17:29.540 but, uh, it's just, we, we can't seem to stick to that activists.

00:17:35.100 It's, it's a sign of extremism.

00:17:36.540 You know, I think we see the signs of extremism in two fronts, basically, whether it's far left or far right.

00:17:45.340 One thing you always see, of course, is that extremists never have a sense of humor, whether it's left or right.

00:17:50.740 They can't laugh at anything, much less themselves.

00:17:55.040 So always watch for the extremists when it comes to that.

00:17:57.760 And the other thing with extremists is just they seem to want to get into putting whatever their ideology is,

00:18:02.940 left or right, and getting to the kids rather than just letting them grow up and do what they

00:18:08.140 will and making their own decisions once they become grown. Either way, lots of unusual things

00:18:16.460 in the news today. This is one I'll hit before I get to my next guest. I see he's starting to get

00:18:22.600 set up in the lobby there. And this is a COVID violation in the workplace. So safety rules are

00:18:31.120 documented in the federally regulated private sector. This is one of those areas we've got to

00:18:35.180 watch, federally regulated private sector. So they're private companies, but like airlines,

00:18:40.620 things like that, they're regulated by the feds. That's where we're starting to get some of these,

00:18:44.080 you know, vaccine mandates, things like that. But if people felt, if they felt it was so dangerous

00:18:49.740 from COVID, they couldn't come to work, that's documented. I mean, if they felt it was a workplace

00:18:53.920 danger, it's like if you were working in an unsafe environment, if, you know, we were getting shot at

00:18:59.360 here in the Western Standard offices, or when I was in the oil field, if they were sticking me

00:19:03.680 into areas with high sour gas content and weren't giving us proper things to protect ourselves or

00:19:09.160 test, then we'd make a report. Well, of all the 910,000 employees under this, only eight felt

00:19:18.420 they were feeling too unsafe to go to work because of COVID. It just says something because we heard

00:19:25.900 from the media. We heard from a lot. We heard from, you know, ostensible business organizations

00:19:30.900 before that, you know, people, well, they want these restrictions. They want those because they

00:19:37.740 aren't feeling safe in the workplace because of COVID. Well, if only eight out of a million,

00:19:42.200 and I understand they brought in regulations and things like that, but only eight out of a million

00:19:45.440 actually felt uncomfortable. Was there really that much public fear of going to work under COVID,

00:19:51.800 you know, when that was going on? It doesn't really look like that now that the numbers are

00:19:55.440 coming in. No, we got this benefit of hindsight with COVID right now and a lot of things.

00:20:00.040 And just a lot of these numbers aren't really matching the narrative that we were given before.

00:20:05.180 So I'm going to see if Mr. Howell doesn't seem to have his video going, but I see him in the

00:20:09.360 lobby. Maybe we'll pull him in and see if we can talk to him. And he is with the,

00:20:14.400 where do we get back to where I was? He's with the National Police Federation. And they've,

00:20:19.100 again, started quite an initiative, you know, to keep the RCMP within Alberta. So let's bring

00:20:25.420 Mr. Hall went into the stream here.

00:20:27.260 Do you hear me there, Kevin?

00:20:29.060 I do, sir.

00:20:29.660 Thanks very much for having me.

00:20:30.960 No problem.

00:20:31.540 Yeah, sorry.

00:20:31.940 I thought there might be video, but we can certainly still talk, of course.

00:20:34.980 So that's good.

00:20:35.800 I appreciate you coming on to talk to us today.

00:20:38.200 Sure.

00:20:38.400 You're very welcome.

00:20:40.220 Sorry, I'm just trying to sort with my camera here.

00:20:42.680 Oh, yeah.

00:20:44.620 It's no problem.

00:20:47.580 But I guess initially, I mean, so this was, came out just the other week.

00:20:51.720 Keep Alberta RCMP campaign.

00:20:53.360 You guys have been working very hard with municipalities basically to, there we go, I guess preserve the RCMP with Alberta.

00:21:03.020 I mean, there's been a stronger push to get a provincial force in Alberta of this last couple of years than we've probably ever seen in Alberta.

00:21:09.960 And you guys are clearly in opposition to that.

00:21:12.740 Yeah, there has been there's been a concept brought forward by the provincial government, the county government specifically, to look at provincial policing, Alberta provincial policing service for the province of Alberta.

00:21:27.420 There was and that came as a result of the Fair Deal panel who did some surveys and talked with some Albertans and then PricewaterhouseCoopers report that that was created by PricewaterhouseCoopers for the for the provincial government.

00:21:40.740 Unfortunately, neither the Fair Deal panel report or the PricewaterhouseCoopers report really effectively addressed the primary concerns that Albertan has brought forward.

00:21:57.240 Okay. Yeah, well, some of the concerns, and I saw that in what you're talking with your call to action.

00:22:02.640 For example, and I know that as somebody living outside of the city, was what we feel to be inadequate police coverage in rural areas and response times.

00:22:09.880 and uh you know with a proposed police provincial force i guess there wasn't anything necessarily

00:22:14.800 saying that it would a provincial one would be any better in that circumstance the problem's

00:22:18.400 a little deeper than that no you're absolutely right the um the problem is much deeper than that

00:22:23.540 um the pricewater host cooper report actually basically suggests to duplicate what's already

00:22:29.180 in place um um you know as far as the number of detachments and that sort of thing uh however

00:22:35.440 model A of the proposed plan actually calls for about half the number of fully trained police

00:22:41.160 officers. So how half the number of fully trained police officers remotely could address things like

00:22:47.160 response times is beyond me. When we're talking about things like response times, obviously we

00:22:53.540 are also in the same breath talking about the number of police resources to begin with to go

00:22:59.400 to those rural areas um and that is the number the so the size of the the the force um right now

00:23:06.200 under the provincial policing services agreement again that's the contract that the alberta

00:23:10.360 government has with the government of canada to provide policing for services for the province

00:23:15.480 the number of those police resources to respond to those calls in in the in the far reaches of

00:23:21.400 the province that's controlled completely and 100 by the provincial government it is the provincial

00:23:27.240 minister that decides what the what the makeup of the force is and under the contract if the

00:23:32.440 provincial minister wants to increase those numbers he can do so by filling out a form and

00:23:38.680 and advising the commanding officer of the RCMP in Alberta that wants to increase the the numbers

00:23:45.560 of police officers let's say by 200 members whatever it is decide where those places want

00:23:50.360 to be and then by the contract the government has the Canadian government that is has 12 months to

00:23:55.320 provide those resources um so if we want to resource uh or increase resources i should say

00:24:01.480 into those rural areas that can easily be done but it's one of those things that unfortunately

00:24:06.040 the rcmp seems to um take the brunt of uh as far as um slow response times when there is slow

00:24:13.560 response sizes and i i don't agree that there always is slow response times as far you know

00:24:17.560 further you live away from the the pizza place the longer it takes you to get your pizza as well

00:24:21.320 It's not that much different than with policing. But those number of resources,

00:24:27.720 those are completely under the purview of provincial government and not the RCMP.

00:24:31.640 Yeah. So, I mean, going beyond and we'll go into the costs a little bit too,

00:24:35.320 because that was some of the stuff in the reports and the transition and things like that. But

00:24:38.360 a lot of the motivation for people pushing for provincial forces is a feeling that, and we've

00:24:43.640 seen sort of a recent example, possibly coming up with the news of direct federal interference in

00:24:48.280 RCMP operations and, you know, the politicization of the force. And I mean, I guess there's no

00:24:54.680 guarantee that provincial force would be immune to such things as well. But that is a serious

00:24:59.560 concern for a lot of people on the ground. And they sometimes feel that the RCMP might be

00:25:02.760 representing Ottawa more than local interests. How would people be more comforted in that front?

00:25:08.120 Well, you know, it's another great question. And I'm glad you brought it up because it's

00:25:11.560 that's another comment that's often made by the provincial government. And let's be clear,

00:25:16.200 it is just not true it is not factual at all article 6 the provincial policing agreement

00:25:21.720 that clearly states that the provincial policing report the provincial policing priorities come

00:25:27.240 from the provincial minister period full stop that's where the priorities come from uh ottawa

00:25:32.920 looks after under the provincial policing agreement ottawa looks after some of the administrative

00:25:36.600 uh type portions of it but as far as the boots on the ground stuff the stuff that

00:25:41.000 affects everyday albertans that comes from the provincial minister and nobody else

00:25:46.200 um any any thought that um it's there is influence from ottawa as far as what is important and what

00:25:52.680 is uh being uh enforced and what is being investigated in the province is simply not

00:25:57.640 true okay and then uh so as i said i live early though just outside of calgary but it's just a

00:26:03.960 matter of jurisdiction it's kind of frustrating the average police response time in my area

00:26:07.640 is 40 minutes even though i'm 10 minutes from the city but that's because turner valley is our

00:26:11.000 detachment they only have so many officers i understand that they got a lot of area to cover

00:26:15.340 Yes, yes.

00:26:16.400 Fort Hills County is very large.

00:26:18.300 Yeah, I got robbed a couple of times at the pub I owned,

00:26:20.980 and I got a lot of interaction with our local RCMP over the course of that crime wave.

00:26:26.860 They're very good officers, and I was satisfied with it.

00:26:30.180 But things I did notice over that period of time was, for one,

00:26:32.460 almost none of them were from the area originally.

00:26:34.760 Like, that's one of the things with the federal force,

00:26:36.120 we get people transferred in from outside areas.

00:26:38.100 It's just the nature of it.

00:26:40.160 But does that potentially cause a bit of a hindrance in, I guess,

00:26:42.980 you know, interaction or knowing about the local issues, things such as that going on,

00:26:48.340 you know, whereas a homegrown officer might not have that difficulty.

00:26:51.820 Well, that's a fair comment. You know, as you're well aware, our RCMP draws resources and

00:26:58.700 applicants from across the country and across the globe, really. But that is not any different than

00:27:03.520 any other municipal police force in the province or in North America. Both Edmonton and Calgary,

00:27:09.040 who I always use to compare because they are the largest municipal forces in the province.

00:27:14.400 They not only draw from other parts of the country, but across the globe.

00:27:18.160 They both have a very large foreign recruitment program where they will go across places like

00:27:23.600 the London Met and Scotland Yard and those sort of places, recruit trained police officers and

00:27:28.640 bring them back to Calgary and Edmonton to serve. That is not unusual. It's the same thing, you know,

00:27:34.720 opp in quebec uh those sort of places provincial police forces they draw from resources from other

00:27:41.200 places of the province no question about it um the but you also bring up a very good point and i think

00:27:46.880 it would um i think to reasonably expect um a young member to join the police service and do

00:27:55.280 do his his or her uh complete uh service in a very small community in the province was not only um

00:28:03.600 not beneficial to that community but also not beneficial to the member uh you know there becomes

00:28:09.040 uh it's for example if you need to get better at um or you want to develop a aspect of first

00:28:16.320 nations policing and develop that repertoire of your skill sets um they're not all places in the

00:28:22.400 province are you able to do that just because there is not that community to work with uh if

00:28:26.080 you want to develop your skills as a inland water transport operator well you can't do that in many

00:28:32.080 places in alberta a lot of places in alberta um change is good uh change uh change develops people

00:28:39.120 and as a result those new people that come in they also have new skill sets to bring to those

00:28:43.360 communities there also becomes the issue of um you know do we really want the same person policing

00:28:48.960 the community for 25 30 years that's works fantastic when uh when all the stars align

00:28:55.680 but i'll tell you that's that's very often not the case um and not only does it become miserable

00:29:02.720 for the community uh to be stuck with the police officer that does not jive well in the community

00:29:07.200 but also it becomes very uh frustrating for the police officer that's uh not happy there as well

00:29:12.080 and it's just bad for everybody sometimes change is good change is good and that develops skill

00:29:15.760 sets and brings in a new uh new um a new new fresh set of eyes if i can use that term okay so

00:29:22.640 In jurisdictions where there already are, you know, provincial forces, as you mentioned,

00:29:25.920 with Quebec and Ontario, there still is an RCMP presence though, and they still take part in

00:29:30.160 those provinces, right? Yeah, and from a federal standpoint, so federal policing, they would,

00:29:36.000 but as far as provincial mandates, yeah, they wouldn't be doing any of that sort of stuff.

00:29:41.440 So the bulk of what every and everyday person would see, yeah, you wouldn't see that from the

00:29:50.080 the RCMP. The federal members in the RCMP are working on larger federal projects, international

00:29:56.860 terrorism, border integrity, that sort of thing. They're not the members that are going out and

00:30:01.200 investigating your break-in and your robbery to your pub that you mentioned.

00:30:05.740 Yeah. Okay. So with the costs, in that study that came out, seeing that the transition costs

00:30:11.680 could total about $366 million over six years and such, but would that still be a sunk cost

00:30:19.640 initially and uh conceivably you know right i guess ironed out over the time well that's uh let's

00:30:26.360 we need we need to be clear this so the 366 million dollars that's the estimated transition

00:30:32.040 cost for model a which is the cheaper the cheaper the two models are proposed that's if it's on time

00:30:36.680 and if it's on budget um to not to belabor the point with surrey police service for example but

00:30:42.360 surrey police service originally estimated their transition costs or one-time transition costs

00:30:46.360 at 19 million dollars they have ballooned to well over 85 million dollars uh for those of your

00:30:50.920 listeners that are good at math that's you know a little over 400 overrun uh so if we're even

00:30:55.400 remotely as close to uh being as accurate on the provincial policing transition you can easily see

00:31:01.640 that number be over a billion dollars uh make some more comparisons you know city of surrey we're

00:31:05.720 talking about uh population of about a half million people give or take a little bit as opposed to 4.4

00:31:11.000 million people in Alberta, one location as opposed to 117 locations, you can quickly see how

00:31:16.920 transitioning the entire province would be much more complicated. And as a result, I would suggest

00:31:21.160 that even easier to be cost overrun. But that's that $366 million in Model A. And again, that's

00:31:27.560 the model that called for about half the number of fully trained police officers. That's just the

00:31:32.440 one time transition costs. We also have to include or consider the federal subsidy or the federal

00:31:38.760 portion that is paid for the provincial policing services which currently right now is 30 percent

00:31:45.240 so under the provincial policing services agreement despite whatever the number that 30

00:31:49.880 works out to the federal government agrees to pay year after year after year 30 of that provincial

00:31:55.240 policing costs if any of your listeners have had the opportunity to travel some of the highways

00:32:00.360 in alberta over the last year or so you may have seen some of our billboards that said 165 million

00:32:04.920 dollar reasons 165 million reasons to keep the rcmp well in full fairness when we had those

00:32:10.840 billboards commissioned we underestimated the cost um thankfully uh to the benefit of price

00:32:15.800 water cooper they've crunched the numbers a little better we've since confirmed those numbers and if

00:32:19.880 we were to do those real billboards again now they would say 185 million reasons to 185 million

00:32:26.280 reasons sorry to keep the rcmp and that's where that 30 comes from in 2021 uh the 30 subsidy

00:32:34.040 worked out to 185 million dollars to the promise over that's 185 million dollars that taxpayers

00:32:39.560 like you and i did not have to pay um 185 million dollars that could be spent on other things

00:32:44.760 that actually could um reasonably uh affect um uh you know the public you know it's you know we

00:32:52.120 talked a while ago about um um you know in increasing police resources conceivably you

00:32:58.920 could put a police officer on every street and corner in every township and range road but it

00:33:02.680 won't make a lick of difference if we don't have the commensurate services in the other aspects of

00:33:06.600 the criminal justice systems to deal with those issues if we don't have enough judges we don't

00:33:10.040 have our crown prosecutors if we don't have enough courtroom space we don't have enough parole

00:33:13.640 officers probation officers etc etc etc to actually deal with those uh offenders it's all for lost

00:33:20.920 uh because as you know we have only a certain number of time and i say we the criminal justice

00:33:25.880 system has only a certain number of time to get a person through the criminal justice system

00:33:30.200 before the charges need to be with withdrawn under the Jordan decision from the Supreme Court of

00:33:33.880 Canada so um yeah you also have to get so when we get back to the cost we also have to consider that

00:33:40.520 uh 30 subsidy now that was 185 million dollars in uh 2021 what does 30 work out to in 2022 2025

00:33:49.160 who knows is it 200 million 210 million I don't know but the point is is that the second that we

00:33:54.360 move away from the provincial from the RCMP providing the provincial police uh services

00:33:59.400 for the province of alberta that 30 is gone never to return and that's the difference is

00:34:04.360 has to be made up by the by the taxpayers of alberta yeah so has there been a i i should

00:34:10.120 know this actually but i there hasn't been anything formal in starting to move towards

00:34:13.720 a provincial force yet there's just been a lot of discussion have uh has your organization been

00:34:19.000 invited to uh participate in those discussions or deliberations well that's uh you know we we

00:34:24.120 we will speak with whoever would like to speak with us and that's why one of the reasons why

00:34:26.840 i'm happy to come on your show um we have uh conducted a series of town halls across the

00:34:31.720 province from one corner to the other and met with uh basically anyone that was able to work

00:34:35.720 the internet and say i want to attend more than welcome to come and we had people from our uh

00:34:40.040 sessions uh come from government come from uh you know ma and pa kettle and the uh general citizens

00:34:47.480 uh as all the way up as far as mlas and and uh ministers uh show up to our sessions and they're

00:34:52.280 always more than welcome to come uh the provincial um sessions have not been quite as public uh they

00:34:58.440 have met with some municipality leaders um i understand that the more recent ones sessions

00:35:03.800 being conducted by minister shandro have been a little bit more um uh open as far as dialogue

00:35:09.080 goes but the ones previous to that i you know of course we weren't invited we weren't allowed to

00:35:12.920 attend we were more than willing and wanting to attend those sessions we weren't allowed to or

00:35:17.240 were invited to um i understand the the first ones um there wasn't real any uh question or answer

00:35:25.400 or discussion more of uh this is what we think and this is the way we want it to do um my

00:35:31.320 understanding uh from speaking with some municipal leaders um the more current ones uh conducted by

00:35:37.800 the the now minister of public safety or sorry the public minister uh minister chandra i understand

00:35:44.360 those more recent sessions are a little bit more, you know, conversation, which is good,

00:35:52.680 which is a good sign. Okay. Well, I appreciate you coming on to talk to us about it. Where can

00:35:57.800 people find more information then about your initiative and where you're working on these

00:36:01.260 things? Certainly. If you go to our website at keepalbertarcmp.ca, there's a whole pile of

00:36:05.760 information there, including the stats and other information and a link to that provincial policing

00:36:09.840 and services agreement that I mentioned.

00:36:11.620 Great.

00:36:12.120 Well, thanks again for coming on

00:36:13.940 and we'll see how things iron out.

00:36:15.400 There's some pretty politically volatile times

00:36:17.540 in Alberta right now.

00:36:18.540 So we'll see what happens

00:36:20.080 in the months and years to come.

00:36:22.020 Thanks very much.

00:36:22.920 Thanks again.

00:36:23.560 And I'll talk to you again,

00:36:24.820 perhaps down the road.

00:36:25.900 I know.

00:36:27.700 So yes, that was Kevin Halwa

00:36:28.860 of the National Police Federation.

00:36:31.860 And yeah, you know,

00:36:32.940 and as I said at the start,

00:36:33.880 it's not along the lines of where I go,

00:36:35.120 but I want to bring in all sides on this

00:36:38.740 and talk about it.

00:36:39.320 And there's valid points they can bring in as well as an association on this.

00:36:42.960 I still feel we need a provincial force.

00:36:45.140 And I mean, a lot of it isn't just a matter of the cost.

00:36:47.080 You know, it's the other benefits or concerns or things like that.

00:36:49.920 And yeah, I'm not going to grill him terribly hard when he's on.

00:36:53.680 I bring guests on.

00:36:54.740 As I said, I want to get answers to the questions and everything, not rip into them necessarily.

00:37:00.300 Because it's just fair to have that discussion.

00:37:02.620 And like I said, I like to treat my guests with some respect.

00:37:04.940 But I mean, he's speaking of a subject that this is one of the federal provincial areas.

00:37:08.420 we have a lot of problems with, and that's firearms.

00:37:10.560 I mean, as we'll speak, you know, segue into one of our sponsors.

00:37:13.360 And that's the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.

00:37:16.140 These guys, they're standing up for your rights to own and utilize and, you know, make use

00:37:21.700 of firearms as a law-abiding firearm owner, as I know you all are.

00:37:25.500 And they're out there for you.

00:37:27.420 And I mean, they got all sorts of resources.

00:37:28.740 Their name says it all.

00:37:29.520 It's a shooting sports association.

00:37:30.960 If you collect firearms, you're a hunter, you're a target shooter, any of those things,

00:37:34.740 you got to be a member of these guys.

00:37:36.120 This is how, for one, you have resources.

00:37:38.540 There's videos for safe firearm use and shooting events, trade shows, things that are coming up.

00:37:44.380 And of course, most important of all, it's safety in numbers.

00:37:46.840 You get together as an association and they lobby on your behalf against this federal government that is trying to take away your legal right and ability to own and use firearms.

00:37:56.860 So check them out, guys.

00:37:58.180 Canadian Shooting Sports Association, cssa-cila.org and take out a membership.

00:38:04.380 well worth it. And it's for you. It's an investment in yourself. I know we like overusing that term

00:38:09.900 investment like that, but it's true. All right. So yeah, so that discussion, you know, some people

00:38:14.700 pointing out, you know, so there's challenges. I mean, you know, one of the things I wanted to ask

00:38:21.540 what, as I said, yeah, there's a lot of turnover with the local RCMP, for example, in my area,

00:38:25.120 and because they're federal. And he explained some of the reasoning for that. And it's mixed

00:38:30.520 in the sense, I mean, there's one problem that is a problem when you get homegrown police 0.92

00:38:34.600 members. As we see in the states with elected ones sometimes, you do often have a much better

00:38:39.220 recipe for corruption if the officer is that tightly tied to the community. I think

00:38:44.200 Mr. Hallwell was too polite to say it by saying, you know, it could be problematic if an officer's

00:38:48.800 there for too long. Some of the discussion coming up too, though, I believe in localized police

00:38:52.940 forces. I mean, I think, you know, I do like the American model. It doesn't mean it's perfect,

00:38:57.040 but say having a an fbi a federal force even if it's more costly in the transition and then

00:39:03.420 having provincial or even smaller municipal level ones going on and in the right areas people

00:39:07.440 celebrate it right like the six six six reserve right now is going into it looks like they're

00:39:12.960 going to be forming their own police force again they did have one in the past and the uh sutina

00:39:17.700 reserve just up the road from my place they've had their own force for quite some years now too

00:39:21.700 because the needs on those reserves of course are a hell of a lot different that's a little bit of

00:39:26.380 of what my guest was talking about too,

00:39:28.300 the training, the things for different areas.

00:39:30.640 I mean, an urban police officer,

00:39:32.820 there's a lot of common skills,

00:39:35.340 but learning how to relate

00:39:37.020 while on a rural First Nations reserve,

00:39:39.240 that's a whole different social ball of wax

00:39:43.440 there going on, different, you know,

00:39:46.600 just culture in general,

00:39:48.080 different crimes and different needs.

00:39:51.000 And it would take some specialized training

00:39:52.460 to be effective there.

00:39:53.960 So we need those localized ones

00:39:56.860 to deal with different local things.

00:39:58.000 And then you just go five miles away

00:39:59.220 and you're down in Prentiss area 0.56

00:40:00.260 where I live, for example, from the Sutina.

00:40:02.280 And we're a community of either Calgary commuters

00:40:05.020 or ranchers and a very nice go, of course.

00:40:08.820 The policing needs around there

00:40:10.120 are gonna be a little different

00:40:10.940 than what you need on the Sutina Reserve,

00:40:12.420 even though it's only a few miles.

00:40:13.920 And it's hard for a large federal force

00:40:16.660 to adapt, in my view, to those local needs

00:40:19.500 and those local differences going on around there.

00:40:21.560 um the other problem that happened on the six secret reserve as i said they had their own

00:40:26.060 police force through the 90s i know he likes talking about that but the reason they didn't

00:40:29.880 renew that force was because their force became very problematic you know the polite way to say

00:40:36.380 there sounds like there's a lot of corruption the police officers turned out to be somewhat

00:40:40.340 bullying members of the reserve and it went very badly for them and now they're going back to it

00:40:45.280 which i still think is a good idea go back but learn from it get a local force and of course

00:40:49.480 get better controls in on the force this time. It's better for the people there. There's a lot

00:40:55.000 of mistrust in areas like the reserve and things like that between the RCMP and reserve members,

00:41:01.220 but there's a lot of reserve members that are victims of crime too, and they want to feel

00:41:04.240 that they have a police force that they can trust, that they can understand their local

00:41:07.800 challenges that are different in other areas. So I want to see a decentralized police force. As I

00:41:11.840 said, I don't agree with the guest as much on that. Dash Riprock kind of saying along the lines

00:41:17.060 of why do we need police at all?

00:41:18.580 Well, I'm not going to go the full-out libertarian,

00:41:20.380 but he's mentioning something

00:41:21.980 that I'm kind of in agreement with.

00:41:23.900 Here's one of the things we're always hearing

00:41:25.060 from the defund the police bunch

00:41:26.420 or the people who really hate the police

00:41:28.000 and they just want to see the police push down

00:41:29.480 and they try to demoralize them,

00:41:30.880 everything from the thin blue line patches

00:41:32.340 to every bit of their performance.

00:41:35.320 Fine, and I've said it before on here,

00:41:37.260 I can live with defunding the police.

00:41:39.000 Just respect my right to defend myself though.

00:41:41.480 So don't do like you did with Eddie Maurice. 0.74

00:41:43.120 If I find some clowns breaking into my place

00:41:45.040 and they're coming up to my front door 0.97

00:41:46.360 and they happen to get shot, don't blame me.

00:41:50.160 Let me do that.

00:41:51.640 I don't want to shoot somebody.

00:41:53.060 I got a feeling. 0.99

00:41:54.320 I mean, these guys might be crackheads and criminals,

00:41:56.600 but for the most part, they got some degree of, you know,

00:42:00.040 self-preservation within them.

00:42:01.440 And if they know that your odds of getting killed,

00:42:03.560 if you go out robbing rural properties at night are really high,

00:42:08.160 they might reconsider robbing them in the first place.

00:42:10.420 I don't think anybody apart from, you know, actual psychopaths and sociopaths

00:42:13.560 paths wants to shoot homebreakers or people coming on their property. But if I know I've got a 40

00:42:20.440 minute police response, I'm telling you right now, you know, and Jet Gordon's saying, wish we could

00:42:25.400 defend ourselves. We can, but unfortunately we got to run the gauntlet first, right? And when it goes

00:42:30.600 to jury, always acquitted, always. When it's citizens, they always acquit, but they can really

00:42:35.200 punish the crap out of you on your way to that. But it's as the old saying goes, right? I'd rather

00:42:39.600 be judged by 12 than carried by six. And if I'm making the decision when I'm in a scared situation

00:42:45.120 and I've got people approaching my household that I feel are putting us in danger and my family is

00:42:49.940 in there, I'm going to put the safety of the people approaching my house second to anything

00:42:54.680 else and I'll deal with the law after the fact. But if we allowed more self-policing options,

00:43:00.740 maybe we'd be better off. And during that period of time when there was that crime wave, when

00:43:04.800 my pub got nailed, a couple of pubs in Bray Creek got nailed, these guys were going for weeks.

00:43:09.520 and they were hitting places repeatedly.

00:43:10.820 They hit me over and over again.

00:43:12.740 And the RCMP were trying, they were.

00:43:14.760 But as I said, their detachment is in Turner Valley

00:43:17.580 and there's only so many of them.

00:43:18.880 It's a lot of square miles.

00:43:20.900 But boy, when they were holding the town hall meetings around,

00:43:23.340 because this was just after the Eddie Maurice thing too

00:43:25.800 and everything, the RCMP really didn't like you

00:43:29.060 defending yourself in any sort of way.

00:43:31.480 And I was at a town hall meeting during the Maurice thing

00:43:33.440 and Prittis actually.

00:43:35.040 And I remember somebody saying, well,

00:43:36.760 because they were talking about,

00:43:37.880 what can we do in the 40 minutes?

00:43:39.520 while people are robbing us because we're getting so bad out there. Insurance companies were starting

00:43:43.660 to refuse to pay out anymore. They're saying you're too high risk. We just don't want your

00:43:47.340 business anymore. We can't do it. You know, you get stolen. And one of the things that the RCMP

00:43:51.540 officer actually, this was in Okotoks. I'm getting out of a ramble, but that's, you know, I want to

00:43:54.920 because it was a big meeting in Okotoks and the RCMP officer was standing in the front and telling

00:44:00.580 the whole crowd because everybody's worried about rural crime and the problems going on.

00:44:03.680 and he said, everybody, it's just stuff.

00:44:07.200 He said, let it go.

00:44:08.380 It's just stuff.

00:44:10.900 Wait a minute.

00:44:12.260 And that room did not like hearing that

00:44:14.520 at that town hall meeting in Okotoks.

00:44:15.900 What do you mean stuff?

00:44:16.920 That's our possessions.

00:44:18.400 It's the stuff we worked for.

00:44:20.520 For a lot of the people down there,

00:44:21.880 that was the tools of their trade.

00:44:23.260 They were getting their welding trucks stolen.

00:44:24.920 They were getting their tools stolen, chainsaws.

00:44:28.300 When you're living in a rural area,

00:44:29.420 those are tools of your trade.

00:44:31.100 This is how you make a living.

00:44:32.760 And as I said, they were getting to the point

00:44:34.860 where insurance companies weren't even covering us

00:44:37.260 in high crime areas anymore

00:44:38.380 because they just, you know, they're in business too.

00:44:40.440 And basically their premiums were gonna cost

00:44:42.560 more than the items were worth.

00:44:44.160 But they're telling you just to let these guys

00:44:45.860 keep victimizing you and stealing your,

00:44:48.480 and it just bugs me when I say that word

00:44:49.820 the way he said it, stuff.

00:44:51.620 No, I have the right to protect my stuff.

00:44:53.980 I put a lot of energy into buying that stuff.

00:44:56.680 I need some of that stuff.

00:44:58.000 Who are you to tell me to let it go

00:44:59.460 because some crackhead feels they want my stuff

00:45:01.480 more than I should have it. It doesn't mean I want to go out on my doorstep and start cracking

00:45:06.740 off shots every time some idiot's trying to steal the change from the, you know, cup holder in my 1.00

00:45:12.300 car or something in the night. We have a right to protect not just ourselves, but our property. 1.00

00:45:16.840 We do have that right. It's just that they do not like letting us exercise it. And just going a

00:45:23.260 little further in a further town hall meeting, because people kept asking, well, okay, we have

00:45:27.540 40 minute response times. We're getting robbed all the time. What do you want us to do? What can

00:45:33.260 we do about it? We'll just call 911 and wait. Well, that's not good enough. And some people

00:45:37.320 were saying, well, what if I sent my dogs on? They say, you'll be charged with assault.

00:45:41.740 Another guy said, what if I shot their truck with a paintball gun so they're easier to catch? Is

00:45:45.320 you'll be charged with pointing a firearm. He said, it's not a firearm. It's a paintball gun.

00:45:48.820 It's no intent of the way it works. If it's perceived as a firearm, you will be charged

00:45:52.620 as with a firearm. The term I used with what the RCMP were telling us at that time was to call,

00:45:58.260 cower, and pray. Because that's all you're allowed to do if you listen to the ones coming out to talk

00:46:02.560 to us. If you've got people breaking into your home in a rural property, even if you know you

00:46:06.220 got a 40-minute average response time, you call 911, find somewhere to hide in the house while

00:46:11.360 you're on the phone, and then pray that the officers get there before whoever's coming in

00:46:15.180 actually comes into your house. Or pray that they're not planning to come in and, you know,

00:46:19.900 assault you or rape you. I mean, that's part of the way it says you're supposed to respond with 0.96

00:46:22.940 equal force. Well, you don't have time when the guy's rushing your doorway, as happened with

00:46:27.000 Eddie Maurice, for example, when he had a three-year-old in the house and that gentleman

00:46:31.040 got shot. You have time to ask, pardon me, sir, were you just coming in to rob me a little or

00:46:36.300 were you going to rape my children? I just need to know so I can determine my response to you. 0.99

00:46:41.480 No, you don't have time. You have to make your mind up at that time and you put the family first.

00:46:46.280 So if we want to defund the police, I don't think most of us want to.

00:46:50.800 We can improve the police, but defunding I don't think is an option.

00:46:54.900 We've got to allow people to protect themselves and their property more.

00:46:58.400 That's just the way it goes.

00:47:00.440 And as I said, if you look it up, we do have those rights, and it isn't a right for anything. 0.64

00:47:04.460 You know, somebody comes on your property and asks directions, you shoot them,

00:47:06.580 you're going to go to jail, and you should.

00:47:09.340 But you do have a right within reason to defend your property and yourself.

00:47:12.580 and the police do not like you using that right whatsoever. They jealously guard that. They don't

00:47:17.680 want vigilantes. They don't want things getting totally out of control, but you know, how far

00:47:22.100 can you let it go? How many losses do you expect citizens to take before they finally stand up for

00:47:27.680 themselves? They have to. You know, another thing that the guest also pointed out though, and it was

00:47:33.160 very valid, is the issue with the justice is a lot deeper than just, you know, the police resources

00:47:41.140 in rural areas and their ability to respond. We've got a backed up court system. We've got

00:47:47.920 a revolving door court system. We've got repeat offenders coming and going, coming and going. I

00:47:51.860 mean, I've told that story a number of times about my bar being robbed. And then when those guys

00:47:55.820 finally got caught, they got released on bail immediately. And while they're on bail, one of

00:48:01.560 them blew his friend's head off, rolled him in a carpet and threw the body off a bridge. He got

00:48:05.820 eight years for that because he pled it down saying it was an accident. Yeah, he accidentally

00:48:09.640 rolled him up and chucked him off a bridge. The other one shot a guy he felt was coming on to his

00:48:15.120 ex-girlfriend, led him out into a field out by Airdrie. He just got his sentence recently. I

00:48:19.580 think it was a sizable one in that case, but he went and shot the guy in the back of the head 0.71

00:48:23.140 execution style. These were dangerous guys and they all had long, long criminal records and we

00:48:28.880 kept releasing them and releasing them and finally they got released to a point where two people died

00:48:32.140 in two separate incidents. Can the police be faulted for that? No, they can't keep somebody in

00:48:36.800 if it's not legally justified.

00:48:39.220 So we've got much bigger issues going on

00:48:44.820 than just the policing.

00:48:47.200 Policing is one facet of it,

00:48:48.480 and it's an important one.

00:48:50.220 But we've got other things as well.

00:48:52.860 Sylvia's saying,

00:48:53.400 can't leave the whole blame on addicts.

00:48:54.520 Sorry, actually, most of it is.

00:48:56.780 I mean, that's a lot of the core of the problem.

00:48:59.220 Almost every one of these repeat offenders,

00:49:01.180 when you see them,

00:49:02.180 and when you see them arrested,

00:49:03.220 for one, I mean,

00:49:03.740 they're always charged with a breach of cognizance

00:49:06.420 or something like that, basically saying they were on bail and they, you know, they'd already

00:49:08.900 been arrested and released before. And almost always, they were in possession of a controlled

00:49:12.400 substance, which usually is meth or fentanyl or something of the sort. We've got an epidemic going

00:49:17.220 on there. And that's, again, another big, complicated area, which the police are sort

00:49:22.800 of powerless to deal with. All they can do is try and protect us how they can. But as this is going

00:49:26.580 on, and if they have limited resources, well, then we should be allowed to protect ourselves

00:49:30.680 more within reason. And we are. But, you know, you don't want to have to spend six months in

00:49:34.960 out court to defend yourself because you made a momentary decision to protect your family first,

00:49:40.040 as Eddie Maurice did. And he was finally, again, acquitted. But, you know, it wasn't even acquitted.

00:49:47.500 They just dropped all the charges because they realized it looked like he was going to go to

00:49:50.640 jury. It just wasn't going to happen. Either way, it's a big, long, complicated discussion. So I'll

00:49:57.780 bring in Brian Geisbrecht for a nice, simple discussion on an easy issue, and that's Indian

00:50:03.140 residential schools and graves and a possible police investigation into what's going on there

00:50:08.980 because that's a frustration but uh thank you for coming on today brian and i'm sorry i messed

00:50:13.380 things up on us last friday there oops i think we have you muted uh let's get your sound going

00:50:23.860 there in a second. Should just be the mute button. Okay. You just have to, there's a button somewhere

00:50:34.280 there, Brian, you got to unmute it. And we'll be able to hear you. Ah, there we go. I got you now.

00:50:40.880 Yes. Okay. So that's all right. Okay. So we've got you back on and, and you know, it's just been

00:50:47.560 this ongoing issue, particularly with the Pope's visit. And we're seeing a lot again on the whole

00:50:51.380 Indian residential school issue, what I wanted to talk about, and there's lots to talk about,

00:50:57.100 was part of, in speaking of the RCMP, why hasn't there been an investigation, or shouldn't we be

00:51:03.300 demanding an investigation then, if indeed that we feel there's bodies that have been buried

00:51:06.940 from murdered children? Well, my understanding is that at Kamloops, the RCMP did in fact begin

00:51:16.760 an investigation. And then, and I don't know all the details of this, Corey, but it's a very

00:51:23.980 serious matter. Apparently, they were personally contacted, I believe, by the former TRC chair,

00:51:37.380 um murray sinclair who basically told them to lay off and uh amazingly they did uh now this is

00:51:46.980 uh i i don't know all the details of this and i i don't want to give any misinformation

00:51:51.940 but that is my understanding now um this to me it seems like a very serious business

00:51:58.980 if the rcmp are contacted by somebody who says well please please lay off this murder investigation

00:52:05.860 for whatever reason that the RCMP would normally simply say, I'm sorry, we'll just do our job as

00:52:14.260 we see fit. And that didn't happen in this case. Now, there is a call to action in the TRC report

00:52:23.700 that basically says, well, Indigenous communities should be able to do their own burial site

00:52:32.660 investigations well that makes a certain amount of a sense if you were looking for ancient relics

00:52:37.220 or something like that but if we're talking about a an allegation of a what is really a mass murder

00:52:43.300 here 215 uh secret burials by night uh where somehow the catholic clergy this would be the

00:52:52.100 priests and nuns who were at the kamruth school had somehow caused the death of children and then

00:52:58.660 somehow um decided they would be secretly buried with the help of six-year-olds this would be the 0.85

00:53:06.180 biggest crime in canadian history and of course the rcmp should immediately go into the area

00:53:13.140 they should secure the area and then do their investigation after all some of the people

00:53:18.420 uh these six-year-olds that uh apparently were forced to dig graves well goodness they would

00:53:23.940 they would still be around i don't know how they would be but they would still be around obviously

00:53:28.420 these supposedly occurred in the 1950s and 60s, so some of these people would be alive.

00:53:36.820 Why the RCMP have not actually properly investigated, I do not understand, and I think

00:53:44.820 Canadians should demand that the RCMP do their job, take over the investigation even at this

00:53:50.980 late stage and that would definitely involve securing the area properly and then excavating

00:53:58.580 if they believed that there was enough evidence. Yeah and just to clarify a little more one of

00:54:03.540 our commenters Paulette Burghardt saying what is TRC and that's the Truth and Reconciliation

00:54:08.420 Commission right? Yes that's the Truth and Reconciliation Commission which recorded in 2015

00:54:18.660 and uh i can just jump right into the genocide uh question if you want corey uh because we've had

00:54:29.220 so much of that um uh now in the news and i i think some simple facts would would be uh uh would

00:54:38.580 be would be useful for your your uh your viewers and i'll try not to to give many numbers here but

00:54:46.340 We have the story that 150,000 indigenous children were forced to attend residential schools, and that fits into the genocide definition.

00:55:03.940 In other words, if you take 150,000 children and force them into schools and indoctrinate them, yeah, that probably would be called cultural genocide or even genocide.

00:55:14.920 But none of that is true. And the CBC and CTV is just as bad. And even the mainstream newspapers keep repeating this misinformation. So I just thought I'd let you know, I think, where this comes from.

00:55:30.320 The TRC, that is the Truth and Reconciliation Commissioners, made a speech to the United Nations, you know, a number of years ago before the TRC hearings even began.

00:55:46.720 and there they said that they said 150 000 for seven generations 150 000 indigenous children

00:55:54.480 were forced to attend residential schools and then they went on to list all the terrible things that

00:55:59.840 had happened this is advance of even doing in advance of even doing the hearings to get the

00:56:05.360 evidence which is shocking in itself but every part of that statement is is not true uh in the

00:56:11.920 first place uh the idea that every indigenous children uh child went to residential school

00:56:18.400 was just demonstrably false here are the figures um uh between um in the peak years of enrollment

00:56:28.800 one-third of status indian children uh went to uh residential schools and in some of the years

00:56:37.200 beginning and later it was it was a little as one sixth so you could say between one sixth and one

00:56:42.960 third of the status indians went to residential schools but if you're talking about indigenous

00:56:50.080 children which includes uh metis and non-status and and inuit um the percentage is is much lower

00:56:58.800 than that it's actually between like one twelfth and one sixth and if you want to get to go further

00:57:06.400 to how many were catholic about half of the students were catholic you had something like

00:57:11.120 between 1 24th and 1 12th who actually went to residential schools now that's a tiny tiny number

00:57:18.800 and you have to ask yourself well how could you possibly make a claim that there had been a

00:57:26.880 cultural genocide or genocide when so few of the children actually went to

00:57:34.320 to the schools but it gets worse because the idea that these children were all forced to attend

00:57:41.840 is nonsense and i'll i'll not go into too much detail here but corey before 1920 there was no

00:57:48.640 compulsory attendance at all mandatory attendance for status indian children

00:57:53.760 this means that a parent an indigenous parent was not under any type of legal compulsion to send

00:58:02.080 their children to school and yet about at least some of them did some of the parents chose that

00:58:09.200 to send their children to day schools some chose to send their children to residential schools

00:58:16.480 and many indigenous children most at that time didn't go to any school at all

00:58:21.840 so that was complete choice the catholic parents would choose to send their children to a catholic

00:58:27.680 residential school protestant parents because most indians were christian at that time protestant

00:58:35.040 parents would choose a protestant school so there was that was not forced these these parents were

00:58:41.440 under no compulsion at all now after 1920 there was um compulsory attendance uh by that time there

00:58:51.040 was compulsory attendance in all parts of canada and it the law said that an indigenous parent or

00:58:58.560 pardon me a status indian parent had to choose either a day school or a residential school

00:59:07.200 and send their children to one of those schools and the only people that were actually

00:59:14.000 compelled to send their children to a residential school were those that did not

00:59:19.440 live near a day school so that's where the law stayed and it is completely false that all of

00:59:26.320 these children were forced to attend uh we have applications my group has many applications which

00:59:33.040 were made by uh indigenous parents that were refused uh that is the uh uh the the residential

00:59:42.480 school said sorry we're full we just don't have uh enough space for you these are parents that

00:59:48.000 wanted their children to attend and before before you ask another question let me just give you one

00:59:53.680 example that comes to mind that makes this very clear uh in the 1930s the cross lake residential

01:00:01.440 school was burned to the ground in manitoba probably manitoba's worst crime of all time

01:00:07.120 12 in indian children were killed and one nun was killed and the federal government this was

01:00:15.440 the depression didn't want to rebuild the school for money reasons it was going to be expensive

01:00:20.880 and so the school was not reopened and the parents started sending their children to the day schools

01:00:27.440 well the parents these are the indigenous parents thought together and they signed a petition and

01:00:33.440 presented it to the federal government demanding that the school be rebuilt and they explained in

01:00:38.960 that petition that day schools were simply inadequate not providing the quality of education

01:00:44.400 for the children that they felt was necessary and after receiving that petition the federal 0.99

01:00:50.640 government did go and rebuild that school so that is is absolute proof that the indigenous parents

01:00:58.400 were very much involved with the education of their children and in some cases in many cases

01:01:04.400 preferred residential schools to day schools and and maybe i should just uh let you ask some

01:01:11.360 questions and jump in here, Corey. Well, that's all right. And there's so many numbers and things

01:01:15.740 going around right now, a lot of exaggerations. And actually, I got a correction sent to me by

01:01:19.780 Jaime Rubenstein, who I had on the other week, because I had my numbers mixed up with how many

01:01:24.020 children perhaps, you know, because some did pass away while in the care of residential schools. And

01:01:28.220 the number from the Truth and Reconciliation Report, anyways, is 832. And again, it's over

01:01:34.740 the course of a you know the better part of a century and uh with 150 000 children so and in

01:01:41.620 in times when mortality was unfortunately a lot higher for for children than today so again we're

01:01:46.500 not getting into the the realm of genocide even if people like lightly throwing that term out there

01:01:51.620 no and the 832 is even very interesting i know there are there are a few hundred a few hundred

01:01:58.020 that died in hospitals afterwards and there were uh there were other numbers that they'd sort of

01:02:03.540 arbitrarily added to that list. But it's really important to understand that most of those 832

01:02:10.820 died of tuberculosis, and they had that tuberculosis when they first entered residential

01:02:17.220 schools. That's the evidence of Dr. Peter Bryce, who is usually quoted on these things. So

01:02:24.820 the important thing there is disease was an unfortunate fact of life in those days,

01:02:30.900 and it was very sad that the disease death rate on reserves was far higher than in the general

01:02:39.140 population and that naturally follows that it would also be far higher in residential schools

01:02:47.300 and instead of saying well what is the rate of death at residential schools compared to the rate

01:02:54.740 of death on the reserves, which is the proper comparison, what we always see in newspapers

01:03:02.240 is, well, the rate of death at residential schools was five times higher than at other

01:03:09.840 schools.

01:03:10.840 Well, that's absolutely true, but those children at the other schools did not come from reserves.

01:03:15.720 It was the reserves that, for many historical reasons, had a very high death rate from disease,

01:03:22.860 particularly tuberculosis and influenza in those years.

01:03:27.540 Yeah, so kind of pivoting back, you know, to the apparent or alleged 215,

01:03:33.560 or I see they've even sort of backed down and said, well, maybe it's 200.

01:03:36.980 But it's the anomalies found with the GPR in Kamloops,

01:03:40.160 where it's felt that there were perhaps that many bodies secretly buried.

01:03:43.920 I mean, that's a significant chunk on top of the 832 known.

01:03:49.500 Again, I mean, truth and reconciliation.

01:03:51.140 I wouldn't realize that commission would have the ability to tell the police what they can or can't investigate.

01:03:56.560 And you would think, I mean, truth is the term in it.

01:03:59.440 If people thought there were murders going on, they should be screaming at the police to get in there and get investigating as soon as possible.

01:04:05.420 It just seems very counterintuitive that we aren't getting in there if we really thought a crime was happening.

01:04:10.320 As you said, it wasn't that relatively long ago.

01:04:12.180 The perpetrators might still be alive.

01:04:14.060 We should be following up on this.

01:04:15.680 And so far, there's not a teaspoon of dirt to move.

01:04:18.720 Well, I don't understand this.

01:04:20.420 I don't understand what is happening with the RCMP.

01:04:24.020 It seems that political interference here of some type is warping things at the top.

01:04:36.500 But there's no question in my mind that when somebody makes an allegation of mass murder

01:04:42.260 and secret burial, whether that person is indigenous or anything else,

01:04:47.220 then the RCMP in a rural area have the duty to immediately investigate because if they've just

01:04:54.500 let these allegations go, you get what we have today where these claims are coming in all over

01:05:03.460 the place and people are doing do-it-yourself investigations in their own communities.

01:05:09.300 And this is very wrong. This is Canada. There should be one policing policy that applies to

01:05:16.660 to all of Canada. And it's very clear to me that the RCMP should immediately, even at this very

01:05:22.620 late stage, say, no, we don't let people do their own murder investigations. That's our job. And

01:05:29.900 then get in there. Well, and, you know, it makes sense with something as potentially serious as

01:05:36.540 this, but do you think we're ever going to see a forensic investigation? Or are we just going to

01:05:40.620 let those alleged grave sites sit as they stand in speculation?

01:05:44.620 Well, I'll give a prediction here.

01:05:47.620 None of these communities that are alleging that there are these secret burials and with all of these crazy stories about priests secretly burying children and throwing them into furnaces and that sort of thing,

01:06:01.620 I'm predicting that none of them are going to excavate.

01:06:04.620 They will hide behind claims of jurisdiction, they'll hide behind claims that, no, this is sacred land, and we've made these sensational allegations, but we're not going to do anything about them. There will be many other excuses given, but no excavations will take place.

01:06:24.620 Because if they did, what they would find is exactly what they found, where the RCMP did do investigations.

01:06:32.340 I mentioned that Shabnekadee School in Nova Scotia, for instance, where there were these same crazy claims about priests secretly burying children and that sort of thing.

01:06:44.300 And the RCMP investigated and they found, yes, there were graves, but those were graves of Irish settlers who had died 100 years before the school was even built.

01:06:53.840 And there are three other places where similar things occurred.

01:06:58.580 So there's a type of, and I don't understand this, Corey, but there's a type of hysteria which has taken hold in some of the indigenous communities.

01:07:09.520 And that's why I don't call this whole missing children thing a hoax, because many of these unsophisticated people actually believe what they're talking about.

01:07:19.440 They believe that there are indeed thousands of children that were murdered in horrible ways at residential schools. These are simply conspiracy theories, urban myths, ghost stories, whatever you call them. But they are not true. And they've been stoked by some very unscrupulous people.

01:07:40.220 And now we have people who I call genocide hustlers who are determined to label Canada as a genocidal nation, which it is not and has never been.

01:07:53.660 So there's simply some very bad information out there.

01:07:58.720 And for reasons that are not clear to me, the mainstream media seems to feel no obligation to start reporting on these things honestly.

01:08:08.860 Yeah, well, we are seeing at least more reporting coming out and more calls, you know, questioning the official line.

01:08:14.000 I mean, we heard none of that in the first six months because everybody was horrified and felt that, wow, if this is really happening, we certainly don't want to question it.

01:08:20.680 But it's been 14 months.

01:08:21.960 I mean, we need to see some resolution here.

01:08:24.720 So I guess we just keep the pressure up and keep bringing it up until hopefully, as you said, you don't sound optimistic, but we can try and force the law to be applied and see what happens.

01:08:35.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:35.980 all right well thanks for coming on again to talk to me today and uh i suspect this story

01:08:40.960 will be going on for quite a while you know hopefully we can get you on again because i

01:08:44.120 don't plan on letting it go i'm stubborn to this one because we've got a real travesty hanging out

01:08:47.980 there and and uh we'll just keep uh pressuring and examining and reading into this until we get

01:08:52.760 some some resolution i think yeah and thanks for inviting me and i would i'm just i would just

01:08:58.500 invite uh watchers or viewers to check out everything i've said but don't go to sources

01:09:05.860 like wikipedia and and uh and many of the other uh reports go to primary sources go to the actual

01:09:13.460 government record so you get the straight information because there's a great deal

01:09:18.340 of of misinformation on this field okay thanks cory and uh good to talk to you all right thanks

01:09:24.580 Thanks, Brian. We'll talk again soon. So yes, that was Brian Geisbrecht. He's a retired

01:09:30.240 justice. He's written, I believe, in the Frontier Center and Dorchester Review and a number of

01:09:35.880 things on this subject. And I'm just going to stay on their case because, I mean, come on,

01:09:39.540 this defies sense. It does. I mean, we know why. When we ask the question, we know why. And he

01:09:45.720 sort of alluded to it in the end. There are some people who were making a lot of money on the

01:09:50.920 genocide narrative. There's some lawyers when every time these settlements come in, hey,

01:09:54.920 if you're making 10, 20% on that settlement, and we're talking settlements that are in the billions,

01:09:59.020 we're talking some heavy duty money going on here. They really don't want to actually find

01:10:04.860 out that maybe, maybe there's no bodies there. And maybe there are. And we should be just as

01:10:10.540 furious thinking there are because that means we have uninvestigated murders sitting out there.

01:10:16.800 We haven't looked in.

01:10:18.260 And so the Truth and Reconciliation Commission

01:10:20.780 can shut down an RCMP investigation.

01:10:23.080 I don't see where in the Constitution

01:10:24.780 it says they can override a murder investigation.

01:10:27.540 You know, I used the analogy before.

01:10:30.440 I've got, you know, a piece of property and some acreage.

01:10:34.820 If I found, you know, I was out there with Jane,

01:10:36.280 we're messing around in the bush

01:10:38.080 and I found a couple of graves

01:10:39.320 and I found the RCMP and others and said,

01:10:41.120 hey, I got bodies buried on my land.

01:10:44.080 I just want to let everybody know,

01:10:44.920 but no, no, don't come out and dig them up or anything.

01:10:47.020 I just want to let you know they're there.

01:10:49.080 They're going to say, no, we're coming in to dig those up,

01:10:51.540 whether you like it or not.

01:10:52.440 It's not your call.

01:10:53.800 We're going to find out why their bodies, what they're about,

01:10:56.460 whether they were ancient people from thousands of years ago

01:11:00.240 or whether these were recent murders or something that I buried up there.

01:11:05.280 It's ridiculous that we're not following up on this.

01:11:08.160 It's, you know, and we've got to be able to hold it to account.

01:11:10.680 We've got to be able to question these things

01:11:12.300 because something is terribly wrong.

01:11:14.600 something stinks to high heaven you know i'm a dork hey i've been accused of it and i could you

01:11:19.560 know most people would not question that there's really there's a show i like watching all the time

01:11:23.400 called time team it's a show from out in the uk with a bunch of them going out in archaeological

01:11:27.720 digs and things like that out there and you know there's all sorts of neat old roman or iron age

01:11:31.800 stuff to be found but something that was interesting i noticed on that show a couple of times anytime

01:11:36.120 they unearth any remains even if these are archaeologists they know that you know they've

01:11:40.920 dug down six feet in a medieval site that the bones they're finding were, you know, hundreds

01:11:45.580 and hundreds of years old, maybe even thousands of years old. There's obviously nobody alive who

01:11:49.440 could have taken part in the murder, but they have to call police to come in and look at it and sign

01:11:53.680 off on a form to make sure. We found human remains. We just want to confirm there's not an active

01:11:57.900 crime scene going on here right now. Makes sense, doesn't it? I mean, you can't always assume that

01:12:04.040 skeleton is not, you know, recent. You have to check into that and check in with the police.

01:12:09.680 And of course, archaeologists, it's just a formality.

01:12:13.300 But how is it in Canada we can claim there's a bunch of these graves,

01:12:16.240 but then never go any further on the investigation?

01:12:19.560 It's absurd.

01:12:21.420 It's nuts.

01:12:22.920 So, yeah, you know, Chris Gibson saying,

01:12:24.880 why isn't the city of Kavloops excavating?

01:12:27.940 Yeah, well, this is lands on the, I can't pronounce it, but the reserve land.

01:12:32.680 So, you know, the municipality is not going to touch that with a 10-foot pole.

01:12:36.260 They're not getting in the middle of that.

01:12:39.680 But again, I would think the members of the reserve should be the ones most eagerly screaming to have it dug up.

01:12:47.100 Also, shouldn't the families of all the alleged missing children be speaking up?

01:12:51.100 Shouldn't they be saying, my brother was missing, my sister was missing, my son, my whatever, my cousin?

01:12:55.700 Where are they?

01:12:56.940 Two hundred and some children apparently disappeared, murdered, buried in an apple orchard.

01:13:01.740 But nobody's looking for them.

01:13:03.640 shouldn't the family members of these murdered children be screaming for an investigation as

01:13:10.160 well mate let's catch who the criminals are but they won't do it so no i'm going to stay on their

01:13:15.580 case uh tiggy saying do you watch uh coast with neil oliver no no i don't think i do actually

01:13:20.460 um okay yes sorry for the distractions while i speak a commenter fair enough uh and we're getting

01:13:28.180 we're getting a new teleprompter too so you know uh as i read my opening monologue i'll be staring

01:13:31.960 the camera a little better too. And she's just saying, who are you looking at for in your right

01:13:34.940 side? Your audience is former. You're right. Well, my comments come up on a screen that's

01:13:38.200 off to the right. So I'm, you know, when I'm interacting with you guys, I like to see what's

01:13:41.340 happening. And yeah, I know it's probably distracting to see me constantly looking

01:13:45.260 over. No, I don't have a director or somebody screaming or throwing rocks at me or anything

01:13:48.740 like that. All right, let's change the subject here and get into some news as we move towards

01:13:53.780 things here. So a new one out, the Department of Public Works saying the Freedom Convoy cost

01:13:58.580 millions in a work slowdown on Parliament Hill. But they also pointed out that Carpenter's strike

01:14:03.500 was more significant and cost them. It hasn't said how much, but a heck of a lot more. So I mean,

01:14:07.600 let's put things into perspective, right? So they're blaming the trucker's convoy for apparently

01:14:11.920 $3 million worth of delays on the Renaults on Parliament. But the strike from Carpenter's,

01:14:17.980 how much did that bloody well cost? This is something that gets me. The Cinderblock and

01:14:21.820 the Peace Tower are under renovation. They're closed until 2031. And I know Renaults are a lot

01:14:26.240 harder and more cost intensive and difficulty than a new build. But this reno on parliament is

01:14:34.280 $5 billion, $5 billion for a reno. And it's taking over a decade. I just, again, speaking of

01:14:42.980 government pissing away our dollars, what are you doing with it, guys? It's killer. But either way,

01:14:49.900 that puts things into perspective. Hey, maybe, well, the convoy blocked some things. It did

01:14:55.320 cost some things. But compared to some of the other things, like they're catering to unions

01:14:58.860 on a job that's costing massively more than it should, it's not good. Okay, here's one Dave

01:15:06.960 mentioned. Yeah, I believe, or was it at the morning meeting? Either way, we have some

01:15:10.880 gerrymandering. If people aren't familiar with that term, you know, every population redistribution

01:15:15.600 in pretty much every area, provincially, federally, municipally, they'll change the boundaries a set

01:15:21.020 period of time, maybe every eight years, every six years to reflect population changes, the

01:15:25.160 boundaries for the representatives, whether it's a council or an MLA or a member of parliament.

01:15:29.620 Well, gerrymandering is the practice. And there's a term for it because governments across the world

01:15:34.400 do it when they selectively cut pieces in and out of different ridings and constituencies

01:15:39.940 to try and benefit the government so that, you know, they're stronger. People can continue

01:15:45.120 winning and the weaker ones or the borderline ones might lose an election. And here's out of

01:15:49.740 a coincidence, I guess. But with the rearranging in Quebec, the only person there's, it turned

01:15:56.060 out a seat was lost. You know, a seat went out of existence while they changed the boundaries

01:16:00.480 of the things there. Happened to be a Bloc Quebecois MP who was the lone MP who opposed

01:16:06.660 Trudeau's bringing the Emergencies Act in. Coincidence? No. This is a federal government

01:16:14.360 punishing somebody. It's not just Tamara Leach where these guys are going after. They are 1.00

01:16:19.280 scorched earth. They're going after everybody they possibly can who opposed or pushed back

01:16:24.880 against their draconian measures to try and stop a protest. And it's not stopping even with

01:16:31.600 members of parliament. So she no longer, her seat no longer exists. And in the next election,

01:16:38.400 she's going to either have to find a new constituency and somehow run in it, 1.00

01:16:41.780 or she's out of a job. That's what she gets for speaking up. That's Canada's democracy. 1.00

01:16:45.520 We punish you for pushing back against the state.

01:16:50.560 Now, this kind of goes back a little bit.

01:16:52.700 I'm looking at the stories here.

01:16:53.980 Indigenous leaders wish Pope's acknowledgement of genocide was made on Canadian soil. 0.87

01:16:58.100 It's never enough. 1.00

01:16:59.860 That's, you know, what I get to.

01:17:01.380 It's never enough.

01:17:02.300 It's never going to be enough for the grievance mongers who just want to keep this going,

01:17:07.400 who insist there was a genocide.

01:17:09.180 And even if they've now bullied the Pope into saying there was a genocide,

01:17:12.740 but it wasn't enough because he wasn't actually here when he said it.

01:17:15.520 Guys, and there wasn't one. There wasn't. I wrote a column and I said it outright. There was no

01:17:21.180 genocide. Were there abuses in residential schools? Absolutely. Was the concept flawed? Yes, I do

01:17:26.740 believe it was. But genocide? No. So let's quit using the damn term because it didn't happen. 0.84

01:17:32.760 Not in Canada. And yes, let's see. So here's a, this story I keep seeing coming on over and over 0.99

01:17:41.620 again. And the state broadcaster reports that on behalf of the city of Calgary and Gondek and her

01:17:47.820 crazy woke administration, her $87 billion climate plan, acting as if this is a surprise, transit

01:17:55.680 riders told CBC Calgary the safety issues on trains are restricting their lives and holding

01:17:59.720 them back from work and social activities in the city. Oh, shit. I'm glad they figured out. We've 1.00

01:18:05.940 been talking about this for a year and a half. The city has given transit away to junkies,

01:18:11.620 criminals and reprobates. It's a mess. People do not want to go on that thing. It's not safe. It

01:18:18.000 stinks. They're uncomfortable, but they just keep acting like, well, we're just discovering this. 0.60

01:18:23.840 Hey, and you know, the city of Calgary is offering discounts to ride the train through August and

01:18:27.340 September because they think if we offer discounts, that's what will bring people back on there.

01:18:32.100 Even if it's free, I don't want to sit on there next to the guy talking at the clouds,

01:18:36.640 pushing his shopping cart who just crapped his pants.

01:18:40.180 I'm not going to do it.

01:18:41.120 Free isn't enough.

01:18:42.980 You guys have to clean it up,

01:18:44.200 but they keep acting like they've just discovered.

01:18:45.840 Really, people feel unsafe on there.

01:18:47.440 Yes.

01:18:48.060 Of course, it does reflect a lot of the elitism.

01:18:49.920 How many city hall members actually ride the train?

01:18:52.420 How many leave and go walk around downtown?

01:18:55.140 Go into an alley and smell how nice that is.

01:18:57.820 Check out those little blue containers.

01:19:02.060 You know, there's your flag to watch for on Calgary Streets.

01:19:04.040 These are things I discovered, things I didn't know.

01:19:05.560 I was in blissful ignorance in my younger time.

01:19:07.780 There's these blue plastic little containers.

01:19:11.380 They hold a liquid.

01:19:12.380 And what they are is they're like a sterile saline type solution.

01:19:16.720 So they're handed out to the junkies for when they shoot up so that they can get good,

01:19:21.220 clean water, you know, or to mix with their drugs to put the poison into themselves.

01:19:27.380 And fine, fair enough.

01:19:29.360 I mean, I do believe in harm mitigation, but of course they just check those willy-nilly.

01:19:32.800 Now, the syringes can be harder to spot, you know, because they're white and they've got

01:19:35.300 a clear thing and stuff like that on the ground. So if you see those blue things laying around,

01:19:39.360 watch your step. If somebody's been shooting up there and there's a very good chance there's some

01:19:43.280 syringes laying around. You know, when I moved to Calgary, I lived downtown. I had an apartment

01:19:47.280 I rented. I had a great time. I partying on Electric Avenue, all that stuff. We never saw

01:19:51.100 that going on. There were no syringes laying all over the ground. There were junkies all over the

01:19:54.840 place. I mean, it always existed. I used to go to the, in Englewood, it's now trendy. Englewood used

01:20:00.280 to be nasty. Those of us old enough to remember who were in Calgary in the eighties and early

01:20:04.460 90s. Inglewood was a bad part of town. You didn't go there at night. Just that little cluster and

01:20:08.760 where the National Hotel was. Oh, the nastiest looking skinny heroin junkie prostitutes and 1.00

01:20:14.480 people in various states of bad shape. But it was just there. And it's still a feel for those 1.00

01:20:20.420 people who were there. But now it's everywhere. Come on, you can't go anywhere, even the suburbs

01:20:23.420 and street corners. And you'll see some poor scabby curb crawler coming up and down trying

01:20:27.820 to beg money from people waiting for the light to change so they can get more junk. 0.50

01:20:31.700 It's a big problem.

01:20:33.100 To be fair, Sylvia mentioned earlier, by the way,

01:20:34.700 when I was talking about criminals,

01:20:35.620 that not all of them are addicts.

01:20:36.900 No, that's true.

01:20:37.680 Not every one of them,

01:20:38.660 but it's a huge part of what's going on with the crime.

01:20:42.160 It's really a driver in it.

01:20:44.600 And there's a couple of things.

01:20:48.240 Yeah, you know, I'm looking at,

01:20:49.300 so yes, I'm looking to the side again,

01:20:50.660 but I'm looking at those comments.

01:20:51.860 You know, John Bolton saying,

01:20:53.000 I ride my bike into downtown Calgary

01:20:54.620 early on weekend mornings,

01:20:55.540 lunatics screaming, drugs openly consumed.

01:20:57.700 People passed out on the streets of Stephen Avenue

01:20:59.600 and people scream at him and pisses everywhere.

01:21:02.500 I wish it was an exaggeration.

01:21:04.660 And, you know, there's part of the problem too

01:21:05.800 is I think a lot of people stop going downtown

01:21:07.540 so they don't even realize how bad it's gotten.

01:21:10.940 But as I was pointing out in my opening monologue,

01:21:13.180 it's going to get worse.

01:21:15.140 It's going to get worse.

01:21:16.360 I mean, look in the States, how bad it's gotten.

01:21:19.240 And, you know, there's no easy solutions,

01:21:22.300 but pretending it's not happening isn't going to help.

01:21:24.300 And getting more progressive isn't going to help.

01:21:26.440 Disorder feeds disorder. 0.97

01:21:27.880 when you just let them pass out, crap themselves, get in people's faces, shoot up in the open like 0.99

01:21:33.580 that, it only gets worse. And I mean, even the best meaning, and this isn't new, that's what 0.99

01:21:38.920 gets me frustrated. We're seeing other cities, we're seeing other jurisdictions that tried,

01:21:42.440 you know, enabling. I mean, remember people looking back Needle Park, it was so shocking

01:21:47.720 that was happening in the Netherlands, I believe it was in Amsterdam, where they just said, you

01:21:52.420 know, we've got heroin junkies, we're just going to address it. Here's a park where you guys can go

01:21:57.480 So do it. We'll just get it set aside so it's safer for everybody and you can consume over there. And it failed. It failed terribly. It took a little while, but it did fail. Overdoses were high. Murders were high. Things went out of control. The park got just taken over by degenerates. It just doesn't work, even if you mean well.

01:22:16.480 Pamela Jones, Kenny saying, Victoria is terrible.

01:22:18.400 Yeah, I see it used to be a clean, beautiful city, 1.00

01:22:20.700 you know, full of mostly just senior citizens of flowers 0.99

01:22:22.760 and now it's overloaded with junkies.

01:22:25.560 We still have to address the underlying problem,

01:22:27.320 which is the addictions epidemic, and it's an epidemic.

01:22:29.820 But we can't just throw our hands up and say,

01:22:31.660 well, we'll just kind of let them do what they will

01:22:33.180 until we figure something out for it.

01:22:34.580 No, we've got to maintain control.

01:22:36.320 We still have to protect the majority.

01:22:38.280 We do, the majority who aren't addicted,

01:22:40.200 the majority who are trying to make a living,

01:22:41.760 the majority who want to come safely down

01:22:43.260 with their children or even just themselves.

01:22:44.860 and not have to do this.

01:22:47.920 As I said in Portland,

01:22:49.300 they won't evict squatters.

01:22:50.720 Oh no, that's unfair to the vulnerable.

01:22:52.900 Well, what about the homeowner? 0.97

01:22:53.960 So now they're screwed. 0.84

01:22:55.160 If you look that story up, it's crazy. 0.94

01:22:57.920 There's these houses that have squatters in them

01:22:59.660 and the owners can't get them out.

01:23:01.940 They're selling them.

01:23:02.700 They even say it in the ad.

01:23:03.760 Yeah, there's some squatters in there, by the way.

01:23:05.540 So they're selling some of these houses

01:23:06.420 for like $180,000.

01:23:07.800 It's probably worth half a million 0.94

01:23:09.040 if it wasn't full of squatters. 0.68

01:23:10.680 But the law won't protect them.

01:23:11.960 So what are you supposed to do?

01:23:13.060 this is how nuts it's getting and we're moving towards that uh jane pricing we need a tent

01:23:19.020 refuge system for these people yeah i don't know you're right like we need somewhere to put

01:23:24.120 the addicts and i don't know like that's part of it kicking them off of transit kicking them out

01:23:29.920 of the areas where they don't belong fair enough because we need those safe areas but they're still

01:23:33.020 there and they still need help i think we need some bigger shelters i don't know big ones with

01:23:37.880 concrete floors and big drains and and uh where they won't hurt themselves and others and they

01:23:42.020 won't freeze to death. But other than that, we can't just let them set up anywhere they want.

01:23:46.740 These tent cities, as some others are talking about, are turning into disasters. They're

01:23:52.800 horrible. And it's not serving the people living within those tent cities or the people living 1.00

01:23:56.640 near those tent cities. That's not a solution. So people say, oh, it sounds like a prison,

01:24:00.840 what you're talking about, a big concrete warehouse. Well, look, how far do our obligations

01:24:05.260 go? If we keep them alive from freezing to death and somewhat safe, and then we'll work on the

01:24:11.520 bigger issues of dealing with their addiction or mental health issues, fine. But letting them live

01:24:15.360 in a tent anywhere they please isn't working, is it? Is it even more humane than just having a

01:24:21.160 large center for it somewhere, somehow? Because these progressive efforts are failing. They're

01:24:26.220 failing. There's no, this isn't opinion. It's been tried. They're doing it. It's not working.

01:24:32.780 All right. Well, that's enough news for today, guys, and get me going. There's lots to talk

01:24:36.600 about and lots of things we can work on. I just want to remind everybody again, check out Linda

01:24:41.520 Slavodian's documentary. It's on the Western Standard channels, all of those sites. And it's

01:24:45.860 a great documentary about the catastrophe in Afghanistan. Canada abandoned its allies and

01:24:53.120 friends over there. And she talked to a number of retired generals. It's about a 40 minute watch,

01:24:58.020 well worth it. It's a first for the Western Standard to do a documentary like that.

01:25:02.160 give it a watch it's she put a lot into it and it's very informative tomorrow i'm going to talk

01:25:08.300 to kelly malmberg he's uh he's been on before he's an agricultural producer down south in alberta

01:25:12.800 because again these these these pending fertilizer cuts have really got farmers nervous and should

01:25:16.860 have all of us nervous that's how we feed ourselves guys and of course there'll be lots

01:25:21.300 of other news opinion ranting and perhaps something gets tomorrow as well so thanks

01:25:24.940 for tuning in today guys and i will see you all tomorrow at 11 30 a.m

01:25:32.160 Thank you.

01:26:02.160 Thank you.

Western Standard - August 03, 2022

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