Western Standard - Triggered： Supply management has failed Canadians.

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Good morning. It's April 21st, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan. We're getting

00:00:39.360 into the later halves of April and the weather still sucks. Should be looking better by the

00:00:44.680 weekend. I mean, you know, we've got to start with the small talk about the weather. That's

00:00:47.620 what's important, right? Either way, this is, we'll be getting into a lot of news issues and

00:00:51.500 important things right away here too. This is the Western Standards Live Daily Show for

00:00:55.920 first-time viewers here we run every day from 11 30 a.m mountain standard time monday to friday

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00:01:05.680 might do it then too that's part of the reason why you should subscribe online because we have

00:01:09.440 regular schedules but we also pop up with special things all the time today i've got a really good

00:01:14.560 show lined up i'm going to have a media panel it's going to be sheila gun reed andrew lawton

00:01:21.520 and myself. So Sheila's from Rebel News and Andrew's from True North. And we're going to

00:01:26.400 talk about the government attempts to control independent media. And they've been working

00:01:29.940 hard on trying. I think people like Sheila, Andrew, I, Derek, and all the rest of us are

00:01:34.780 not too inclined to go down easily with that. But it's a great talk we had. And I have to admit

00:01:39.840 it was recorded. It's hard to get all three of us together at the same time, but we'll run that.

00:01:44.440 And I'll watch the comments and probably we'll chat a bit while it's running as well.

00:01:48.460 And then we have a declared contender for the Conservative Party of Canada leadership race,

00:01:53.620 Elizabeth Clare Lewis.

00:01:55.580 She's another one.

00:01:56.380 We've got a big list growing.

00:01:57.940 And hey, anybody who's running for it, I will give them some time and we will talk to them

00:02:01.600 and see what it's about. 0.62

00:02:02.440 So we'll see what Ms. Lewis thinks she can bring to the race. 0.99

00:02:06.740 It's a pretty crowded field.

00:02:09.660 So let's get on to what's got me wound up today.

00:02:13.440 So the time is now and the place is Canada.

00:02:15.660 This is the moment.

00:02:16.220 this is the time guys when supply management, remember we don't hear about it often enough in

00:02:21.180 my view, it's supposed to protect us from all these price spikes in food products during

00:02:25.700 extraordinary circumstances. This is when we should be laughing at the world as they deal

00:02:30.480 with hyperinflation within their food markets while we enjoy our coddled and price-protected

00:02:34.780 dairy, egg, and poultry industries. At least that's what proponents of supply management have

00:02:39.260 been telling us for decades as Canadians have been soaked with some of the highest dairy prices on

00:02:43.940 earth. We were told those high prices were something of an investment. Paying now would

00:02:48.560 save us from paying later when we'd really need it. Supply management would guarantee food security

00:02:53.780 for us all when world supply becomes scarce. Look, supply management's a Soviet-style system

00:02:59.500 that controls all production of dairy, egg, and poultry products. It's literally illegal to produce

00:03:05.740 and sell any of those items if you don't have a quota issued by the state and controlled by a

00:03:10.740 small number of cartels. Some people say it's an exaggeration to call it Soviet-style. Well,

00:03:15.740 when I could be criminally charged for selling milk or owning over 300 chickens,

00:03:20.760 what else could I compare it to? The quotas make a mess of the market, and some producers literally

00:03:26.020 actually dump dairy products into the ditch, because if they overproduce and try to sell it,

00:03:30.020 they'll have broken the law. The system really is that ridiculous and rigid. So now that we're 0.96

00:03:35.000 seeing inflation spiking around the world due to a number of factors, how well is supply management

00:03:39.660 doing in keeping our dairy price stable. It's totally failed. Not only are supply managed

00:03:45.380 products rising in price, they're rising faster than any other food products. They should be the

00:03:49.540 slowest to rise if we were supposed to believe those people who said this system is going to

00:03:52.360 work for us. Food produced under the supply management system is more expensive than any

00:03:57.080 other products. Supply management has accomplished the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do.

00:04:02.980 Dairy and egg inflation prices are leading all other foods right now as prices are rising faster

00:04:08.020 than we've seen since 1983. Milk is up 8%, cheese over 10%, butter 16%. And these products are

00:04:15.900 essential ingredients in many other processed foods and restaurant dishes. So those prices are

00:04:19.780 going to contribute to higher costs on everything you eat. The other aspect they like to talk about,

00:04:24.740 well, how about protecting the family farm? Proponents of supply management have insisted

00:04:29.040 for decades that small farms would be wiped out and we would be dominated by a small number of

00:04:34.440 corporate farms if we don't maintain the supply management system? Well, in the 1970s, Canada had

00:04:39.380 about 145,000 dairy producers. Today, we have less than 10,000 of them. Expensive dairy quotas

00:04:45.920 ensured that only large corporations and operations were sustainable, and the family

00:04:49.780 dairy operations fell by the wayside. Most of those massive dairy farms are in Quebec, of course,

00:04:55.100 and that's a large factor in why conservative and liberal politicians alike are terrified of

00:04:59.260 speaking out against this rotten system. The average Canadian dairy farm, by the way,

00:05:03.980 nets $5 million a year. That's net, people, not gross. We aren't talking about the little mom

00:05:09.000 and pop operations of yesteryear. Dairy farmers love to plead poverty, but the statistics just

00:05:13.480 don't show it. While dairy producers around the world enjoy broad export markets and have

00:05:18.120 flourishing small cottage producers who make creative products such as specialty cheeses

00:05:22.320 and ice creams, Canada languishes with high prices, poor variety, and bans small producers

00:05:27.160 from entering the market. We can't pretend it's impossible to get rid of this rotten system of

00:05:31.340 government control either. New Zealand and Australia had systems just like ours, and they

00:05:35.660 got rid of them. New Zealand's agricultural sector flourished when they got rid of supply management

00:05:39.900 as new export opportunities appeared. Getting rid of the supply management system can't be done

00:05:44.300 overnight. It's going to take some years, and current producers will have to be compensated

00:05:47.480 for the quotas they're reliant upon. It can be done, though, and there's no better time to start

00:05:52.440 down that road to deregulation than right now. Canadians have been ripped off by supply management

00:05:56.840 to the tune of over $600 per year per family for decades.

00:06:00.160 And this is only going to get worse

00:06:01.340 as we stunt our local food production

00:06:03.560 in order to protect a small number of corporate operations.

00:06:06.960 There just isn't any excuse left any longer

00:06:09.520 to protect the archaic, inefficient supply management system in Canada.

00:06:13.440 It doesn't protect us from worldwide price fluctuations.

00:06:16.260 It doesn't protect small domestic farms.

00:06:18.080 And it certainly doesn't do Canadian consumers any favors.

00:06:21.920 Canada is one of the most vast and rich agricultural lands on earth.

00:06:26.040 we should be one of the world's leading dairy producers and poultry and egg producers with a

00:06:30.300 vast array of products and exporting around the world. Instead, we've limited product options,

00:06:35.120 we have growing factory farm operations, and we're hardly touching our export potential. And that's

00:06:39.400 all due to supply management. Beef, pork, grain, even mushroom producers operate without a supply

00:06:44.720 management system. Why is it apparently impossible for dairy, egg, chicken, and turkey producers to

00:06:49.620 do so? Are they really that incompetent? They can't compete in the world market? Then maybe

00:06:52.940 time to flush them aside and let real producers get in there. We need to tackle inflation on many

00:06:57.540 fronts. The world's heading into tough times, and we're not going to be immune from them.

00:07:01.120 One of the most obvious and effective moves we could do to reduce the food cost burden among

00:07:04.620 Canadian consumers would be to end our terrible supply management system. Now, if we only had

00:07:09.420 some politicians with the balls to do it. That's what's got me going today as we watch the inflation 0.86

00:07:14.500 numbers. Let's talk to our news editor, Dave Naylor, and see what else is going to get me

00:07:19.240 worked up today. Hey, Dave, how's it going? Good, Corey. I'm sure I got lots of stuff to get you

00:07:23.440 worked up. What have you got planned for Earth Day tomorrow? For Earth Day? I was thinking I was

00:07:30.800 going to burn some packing peanuts in my fire pit out front. Yeah, that would work. Don't you have

00:07:35.540 some trees to chop down? Well, there's always some, but you know, we'll see. I want to broaden

00:07:40.640 my plans out and make a day of it. All right, good for you. Well, we've got a cornucopia of

00:07:47.340 content already on the site uh this morning uh russia has just announced they have banned

00:07:53.820 premier jason kenny from going there i'm sure his holiday plans are are now ruined but because of

00:08:00.060 the uh the tough alberta stance that kenny has taken against the russian invasion of the ukraine

00:08:06.860 has got him on the black ball list along with various other canadian politicians like

00:08:12.860 trudeau and actually most mps are now banned from traveling to russia uh the buffalo project

00:08:19.660 a sort of a western based group keeping their eye on things for policies affecting their west

00:08:25.980 have done an early report card on the conservative leadership race uh pierre polyev is the only one

00:08:31.740 that gets straight a's f's for a few of them and i think jean chere gets a d minus so not very good

00:08:40.540 grades for for most of them at the moment and uh james top you remember he's the uh the canadian

00:08:46.860 veteran former rcmp uh uh employee who was walking across canada to protest covet vaccines he has

00:08:54.780 reached regina and met with a crowd of supporters there so our lee harding was down there for that

00:09:01.420 and i got the story up already uh speaking of jean chariot he has announced some health care

00:09:08.300 policies that will what he says will end the cycle of lockdowns caused by covid uh saskatchewan

00:09:15.340 ndp is demanding the saskatchewan party try and do something on inflation in the province

00:09:20.700 it jumped in a in just one month one full percentage point uh to 5.7 from 4.7 so

00:09:28.300 inflation is starting to hit the people of saskatchewan hard and our christopher olcorn

00:09:33.260 has a story on that. U.S. judge, remember last week, struck down the mask mandates for airlines

00:09:42.200 and trains and whatnot. The Department of Justice in the States has appealed it. So that'll be

00:09:48.320 heading back to court soon. There was some hope last night, Corey, that the unvaccinated amongst 1.00

00:09:56.020 us would be able to go to the States starting today because they would have had to, or they

00:10:01.280 of considering dropping their vaccine mandates on entry but it turns out it was a false hope the

00:10:08.400 homeland security put out a statement around midnight saying that no you still have to be

00:10:14.080 vaccinated to get into the us uh an edmonton lawyer has been named a new judge by the trudeau

00:10:21.680 government and in fact he is a liberal donor as most judges who are appointed seem to be these days

00:10:29.680 And Pierre Polyev in a press conference down in Toronto

00:10:32.920 was talking about affordable housing.

00:10:35.840 He says he's going to fire the gatekeepers at City Hall

00:10:39.000 and replace it with sort of a building bonus.

00:10:42.440 Every house the city builds,

00:10:44.340 they would get like 10 grand or something like that.

00:10:46.780 So interesting policy on housing.

00:10:50.040 So later on to come, in a few minutes, 0.99

00:10:52.960 our Eva is going to be publishing a story

00:10:55.660 on the Queen's birthday.

00:10:57.840 My old drinking partner, the Queen, turned 96.

00:11:02.200 I was fortunate enough in Calgary when she visited to have a gin and tonic with her at a reception back in the 90s.

00:11:10.480 So it's her 96th birthday.

00:11:12.540 So God save the Queen.

00:11:14.240 Long may she rule, Corey.

00:11:16.060 Well, she's hanging in there.

00:11:17.860 And I think she's among the last of the, I think, still broadly respected and valued members of the royal family.

00:11:23.640 As you said, I'm not a big monarchist, but I have respect for the Queen and do hope she stays in there as long as we can.

00:11:32.860 Yeah, we've got some poll numbers coming out that show Canadians, once this Queen is gone, they're more than willing to get rid of the monarchy, which I personally think would be a shame, but we'll see.

00:11:45.480 Yeah, well, as a side note, you know, I was on supply management and dairy and everything and the shooting costs of milk, and I know we've been experiencing problems here with that.

00:11:52.560 There's been a milk bandit on the loose who has made off with your milk supply here.

00:11:58.740 That shows, you know, when you take a commodity, make it expensive, you start getting crime involved.

00:12:04.820 And this has even become local for us.

00:12:06.940 Well, it has, Corey.

00:12:08.180 I brought in a container of milk brand new on Monday for my afternoon cups of tea and chocolate digestive biscuit.

00:12:16.800 And I took a little bit, then I put it back in the fridge.

00:12:19.280 And by the end of the day, you know, a good chunk of it was gone.

00:12:21.800 So I was a bit worried there, and then I had a little bit more on Tuesday.

00:12:26.220 But when I got there on Wednesday, it was all gone.

00:12:28.900 The container and everything was gone, and I'd only had like two small cups of tea out of it. 0.99

00:12:33.580 So there is a milk thief on the loose in the office, and I'm going to get the bastard.

00:12:38.720 Well, I know you're on the hunt, but I'd just like to show those home examples of what happens when we shake up a commodity and create disorder and crime. 0.95

00:12:46.920 So hopefully that comes to a peaceful resolution within the Western Standard offices eventually,

00:12:52.560 and you can enjoy your milk and peas.

00:12:54.640 You know, if somebody just wants to send me a note apologizing, we'll call it case closed.

00:13:00.020 Great.

00:13:00.520 Okay, thanks, Dave.

00:13:01.620 I'll check in with you after the show.

00:13:03.520 All right.

00:13:03.840 You bet.

00:13:05.460 There we go.

00:13:06.700 We're searching for the Dairy Bandit around here.

00:13:10.060 So yeah, lots breaking in the news, lots of things going on.

00:13:14.080 and as Dave was laying out, you know, lots of stories coming up and stories that we've already

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00:15:35.080 Okay, so I'm going to go on to, and we're going to run right away with, as I said, I'm afraid I had

00:15:41.480 to record it. We do everything live whenever possible. But in this case, we did have to record

00:15:45.920 it because it's hard to get Andrew and Sheila and myself all available at the same time. So we had

00:15:49.860 a great conversation about media control, independent media, what the federal government

00:15:55.900 has been doing, stepping on us. And, you know, we're all kind of in the same boat. And I think

00:16:00.760 if anything's going to make the establishment quiver, think about it. Outlets like the Rebel,

00:16:05.180 like Western Standard, like True North, hey, we're all growing and we're working together.

00:16:10.080 We're not unionizing, but we're together in solidarity. So let's run that. And I'll chat

00:16:15.140 a little bit in the conversation box there while that's going. And then we'll come back and talk

00:16:19.140 after that. Well, welcome to a special presentation and alliance of independent media outlets. We

00:16:29.840 have Sheila Gunn-Reed from Rebel News and Andrew Lawton from True North along with me here with

00:16:35.720 the Western Standard all in one spot at the same time. So good to see you all together at the same

00:16:40.600 time, guys. Yeah, the Competition Bureau will be busting this up any minute now. Yeah, thanks for

00:16:46.780 having us on the show yeah that might be the next thing is some sort of media antitrust but of

00:16:50.700 course they'll start with the smaller players rather than come and get us that's the i believe

00:16:54.500 the rebel mantra and we'll take it on as well yeah well that's it and it looks like they're

00:16:59.240 they're trying to come and get us all but they i guess i'll just kind of start the discussion you

00:17:03.020 know we've got the a world where the government is obsessed with controlling information and media i

00:17:07.820 think we all kind of agree with that we've got a number of attacks on a number of fronts c18 c11

00:17:13.200 but the most recent i mean where they are the ones the arbiters of who apparently is approved

00:17:18.800 media or is real media and who isn't uh and they maybe i'll get sheila to explain that they've

00:17:24.320 rejected rebel they don't consider you guys news not that you ever really asked their permission

00:17:29.840 yeah that's the thing we don't generally ask their permission to do well anything um but let me first

00:17:35.920 thank the both of you for your interest in our struggles with the qualified canadian journalism

00:17:42.480 organization designation, because in the before times, in the olden times, I don't know,

00:17:48.360 seven years ago, maybe, all the media landscape would be up in arms defending the free press. And

00:17:55.040 that's not the case anymore. Even when I was assaulted at the legislature back in 2017,

00:18:04.940 there was nearly unanimous support that people should probably keep their hands off of journalists.

00:18:10.700 But I don't think if I were assaulted now that that would happen, that they would rally around us.

00:18:16.760 So with regard to our denial of being designated as a qualified Canadian journalism organization, we are suing the government.

00:18:26.240 People can see our documents at wearesuing.ca.

00:18:30.800 The government had a bit of a witch trial for us.

00:18:33.960 It took them a year where wherein they went through 276 of our news stories, which I think

00:18:42.220 is kind of funny because many of those stories, we were probably highly critical of the government

00:18:45.920 censors.

00:18:46.860 So they had to watch our criticism of them, which brings me a lot of joy.

00:18:51.520 But 276 of our stories, which actually is quite a small number because we probably do

00:18:56.300 that much journalism in a month, in a slow month even.

00:18:59.120 And they decided that only 1% of what we do at Rebel News qualifies as journalism, which is odd to me because I primarily work in access to information, which is, you know, original source documents.

00:19:14.760 We have teams live streaming. I think this is particularly noticeable during the truckers convoy.

00:19:22.180 we're out there you know asking politicians questions interviewing protesters it's news

00:19:27.700 it's just news the government doesn't agree with and so they've denied us this designation now

00:19:34.260 is that going to change the work that we do yes and no i mean we don't ask the government

00:19:40.180 permission to do our work but it will give them the ability to limit our attendance to press

00:19:46.580 conferences um now that's not going to stop us from asking those same politicians questions if

00:19:52.820 our journalists have to jump out from behind a potted plant in the lobby of a hotel fine but

00:19:58.900 the politicians are not going to skirt accountability by keeping us out and it will also

00:20:06.580 give social media giants and search engines the ability to downrank us um which makes it harder

00:20:14.180 for people to find the work that we do and since we are on the internet that's it could spell a

00:20:21.220 death sentence for us but it also and i think the one that is most atrocious to me is that

00:20:28.260 our subscribers will not be treated equally and fairly under the income tax act because it will

00:20:35.140 not allow our subscribers our paid subscribers at eight bucks a month i think that's a bargain by

00:20:40.180 by the way, it won't give them the ability to write off their subscription to us because we

00:20:47.580 don't have this designation, which I think is wholly unfair. It's punishing our paid subscribers

00:20:54.300 for disagreeing with the government. And we live and breathe on our supporters.

00:20:59.860 The only reason Rebel News exists is because time and time again, whenever we are faced with

00:21:04.280 challenges like this, an army of people who sometimes disagree with us say, we need you to

00:21:10.100 live on to provide a counterbalance to the mainstream media. Those people are now being

00:21:14.820 punished because the government hates the work that we do at Rebel News. Yeah, and it's across

00:21:21.500 the board. It's interesting that you brought up how the other media outlets, and again, I do

00:21:25.460 remember them rallying back when you did get assaulted that time, and the silence now, but

00:21:29.600 you see you've got mainstream outlets, legacy outlets that are beholden to this status, and

00:21:33.820 they're a little less inclined to rock the boat, perhaps. Andrew, do you think there's a chilling

00:21:39.000 effect? And has this impacted you guys at all at True Northman? Oh, very much so. And I know I've

00:21:45.320 told this story to my own audience, but I'll share it with yours as well. Back in 2019, Sheila and I

00:21:50.380 were covering for our respective outlets, the Global Conference for Media Freedom, which Canada

00:21:55.380 was co-hosting in London, England with the United Kingdom government. And this is a media freedom

00:22:00.580 conference christia freeland the foreign minister at the time was making this a bit of a pet project

00:22:06.180 for her and she was having this press conference after having made herself available in in no fora

00:22:12.100 to answer media questions and sheila and i both showed up dutifully for the press conference

00:22:17.140 along with reporters from ctv and cbc and the globe and mail and al jazeera and oddly the room

00:22:24.500 must have been a very weird one because it had room for all but two journalists and and i can

00:22:30.980 and the two where it wasn't cbc that they didn't have room for well i mean i'm a big guy so maybe

00:22:35.620 they didn't have room for me but sheila's not and they didn't have room for her either so i i take

00:22:39.860 from that that there's a very clear judgment that the government is executing as far as you are not

00:22:45.700 a journalist if we don't like your coverage and it has nothing to do with the inputs that sheila

00:22:51.460 described earlier of filing access to information requests, attending press conferences, asking

00:22:56.560 questions, writing stories. They don't like the outputs. They don't like the types of stories you

00:23:01.900 cover. They don't like that. And the Media Freedom Conference incident was remarkable

00:23:06.580 because of how brazen it was. And because it was so brazen, the great part of the story was that

00:23:12.760 all of the other reporters threatened to boycott the press conference unless we were allowed in.

00:23:17.260 And I don't know if that would have happened in Canada or even in the year since that happened.

00:23:21.940 But it was a very, very marked display of solidarity.

00:23:25.740 But you fast forward and in the 2019 election, Justin Trudeau would not let me cover his campaign.

00:23:32.380 The Leaders Debates Commission banned Rebel and True North from attending the debate.

00:23:36.600 We had to get a court order. Things got a little bit better last year when True North was allowed to cover the debate.

00:23:42.860 But Rebel was still denied and had to sue and won and ultimately got to be there.

00:23:47.260 So all of these things are showing that the government is not prepared to recognize what journalism is unless they happen to like the specific products of it.

00:23:57.380 And I think that's the challenge here is that there is no license to be a journalist in Canada.

00:24:02.880 In the UK, they have not a license, but they have this National Journalist Association card that is effectively serving as a license, where if you can't produce one of those, you won't be allowed into a lot of events.

00:24:14.860 and in Canada press freedom has been benefited by not having anything like that in the past like

00:24:20.620 we're seeing the problems though because with the convoy especially on the last day

00:24:25.140 uh the Sunday whatever it was after the the protests had been broken up walking down the

00:24:31.080 street police were threatening to arrest people except if you were a journalist you were allowed

00:24:35.720 to stay there but then they'd say well prove you're a journalist and it's like well I mean

00:24:39.760 what do you want me to like how can I prove it I don't have a license I don't have a permit

00:24:43.060 One cop let me go through when he saw my verified Twitter profile. Another required a letter from my editor that I had to show him on my phone. Another just didn't let me pass at all. But this is the problem in Canada is that press freedom is so subjective and independent journalists in particular who don't have the approved opinions are the ones that bear the brunt of this.

00:25:05.480 Well, yeah, and I'm glad Sheila brought up, like we focused a lot of the standard on pointing out, you know, that is the subsidies in the bailouts and a lot of programs that a status would qualify for.

00:25:15.940 And, you know, we like to rub their noses in it and take pride and say we're not taking them even if we qualify.

00:25:20.020 But there's much, much more to it that people don't typically see.

00:25:23.480 I mean, this is their ways that they could throttle your access to events, to government functions, to areas where news is breaking, as Andrew said, you know, such as the protests.

00:25:33.080 and that really undercuts a media organization

00:25:35.520 or write-offs for subscribers.

00:25:37.840 People don't see that.

00:25:38.700 And most of all, as you mentioned,

00:25:40.480 we're all beholden to these social media giants.

00:25:42.840 It's just the reality of the new media.

00:25:44.200 I mean, we never would have been able to have the capital

00:25:46.800 to make freestanding broadcast units like the past

00:25:50.540 and things like that.

00:25:51.260 So this new social media is great that way.

00:25:53.300 But if you get delisted or run afoul of Facebook

00:25:56.620 or YouTube or Twitter,

00:25:58.500 that can impact us very heavily.

00:26:00.200 And if they start making their ratings

00:26:01.360 based on canada's uh qualified journalists they can really uh make you live or die

00:26:09.600 yeah and i would add that you know i've had issues in the past where i've been looking for my own

00:26:14.000 stories things that i know i've written and i'll google the story and i remember the headline i

00:26:19.280 remember the keywords i'll even google with uh tnc.news which is true north domain name and the

00:26:24.160 story doesn't come up or it comes up but it's buried beneath a bunch of a bunch of um unrelated

00:26:29.920 things and then i say okay well is am i the problem is the algorithm the problem is the

00:26:34.560 outlet the problem but but we know there's manipulation taking place and we know that

00:26:39.120 the big tech companies are in fact operating in a way that is not transparent and oftentimes at the

00:26:44.880 expense of of conservative leaning outlets yeah there's i've got a really great example of this

00:26:50.560 people can do this for themselves go on to youtube open up the youtube search and type rebel news

00:26:56.880 and you won't get a hit on a story that has millions of views that we've done you'll get

00:27:03.120 criticism of us first that has tens of thousands of views that's how they tweak these algorithms

00:27:10.880 to down list us and what this qcjo designation does is it basically codifies the requirement

00:27:20.000 to downlist us and to hide us from um people who want to see us and you know you couple this um

00:27:28.240 sort of down listing um that's going to be codified in in the designation along with bill c18

00:27:35.920 which is the online news act which is really the online shakedown act um that you know will require

00:27:44.080 payments from these social media giants to creators for linking to the content, people just

00:27:52.080 aren't going to link to you. That's what's going to happen. I mean, it's just censorship by another

00:27:58.020 way. It's really troublesome. I'm going to ask, I'll start with Andrew. It brought something to

00:28:04.760 mind just as we were talking, but it chafes on me as a libertarian. I kind of like the wild west

00:28:09.600 of how it is out there, but could this be solved by some sort of balanced actual licensing scheme?

00:28:17.060 I mean, something where maybe the applications, I don't like more licenses or regulations for

00:28:21.260 anything, so this is hard for me to say, but, you know, where it was just based on having a

00:28:25.100 registered company and having a formal location and just a couple of things, content aside,

00:28:31.020 but just a basis to say that you are media. Because, I mean, I do understand the police

00:28:34.020 are clearing a scene. They do need to know, are you just another protester or even instigator

00:28:38.900 who's pretending to media or are you real there could be some value in this we just don't want

00:28:43.780 the government to be the ones determining it yeah and and i understand it but i i would caution

00:28:49.220 people going down that road partially on on my libertarian grounds as well but but also because

00:28:54.740 we we just don't see this space being as crowded as people like to think and to go back to the

00:28:59.700 example i gave earlier of the liberals barring me in the 2019 campaign i was actually flying around

00:29:06.020 where the liberals were going trying to cover Justin Trudeau's press conferences. And one of

00:29:12.100 the excuses that was given to me by Justin Trudeau's press secretary was, well, we can't

00:29:17.100 just allow anyone who says their media to come in because then everyone's going to come. And I said,

00:29:21.660 look around. I'm the only one you're turning down. You don't have, you know, Bobby Joe, the blogger

00:29:26.960 flying to Vancouver to cover this campaign. You don't have random people that are showing up in

00:29:31.700 droves the people that are here are people that are journalists the only difference is you're

00:29:36.300 deciding based on not liking my coverage that I don't fit that bill when at other events they

00:29:41.240 were letting in student journalists for example so I think generally speaking people tend to

00:29:46.380 overstate how much there is at the floodgates waiting if you were to open the floodgates I

00:29:51.400 don't think it is huge because doing good journalism as Sheila knows is costly I mean

00:29:56.260 theoretically you can do it sitting from your computer but to do the bootstraps journalism

00:30:00.000 on the ground, to take the time to do the investigative journalism, it comes with a

00:30:05.100 cost. And a lot of companies and a lot of individuals aren't doing that. So I think that

00:30:09.760 any effort to define or regulate in any way is really a solution in search of a problem. And

00:30:17.020 I think that when you talk about the implications of it, government censorship and regulation are

00:30:23.900 bad. Big tech problems are very much a force. It's government empowering big tech that creates

00:30:31.200 a new category of problem that removes the government accountability, but has still the

00:30:37.260 force of law. And we see this with censorship. I mean, the only thing worse than Facebook or

00:30:41.160 Twitter censoring is doing it because they've been deputized by the government. And I think

00:30:45.200 that's the inevitable byproduct of any sort of licensing regime is it basically makes all these

00:30:50.080 tech companies web hosts domain registrars state enforcers you know i just want to add to andrew's

00:30:56.460 comment because you know i really think the answer to this like both of you are pointing out it's not

00:31:02.240 more government it's not more regulation it's exactly what we're doing here today um it's the

00:31:07.160 independent press gallery is a counterbalance to the parliamentary press gallery um and andrew's

00:31:13.880 right when he points out that journalism really is a sunset industry um Corey you'll know this

00:31:20.920 if you are not a journalist in Alberta that is working for either Rebel News or Western Standard

00:31:28.020 or True North then you work for Post Media it's really a media monopoly here and when we applied

00:31:36.640 for access to the Alberta legislature press gallery, the competitors, our competitors

00:31:43.280 at Post Media basically held a witch trial for myself and Kian Bextie. They got together and

00:31:50.500 without us presenting arguments or saying, hey, we're not as bad as you have cooked up in your

00:31:56.080 mind that we are. They did a secret vote and wouldn't let us in. So, you know, the answer is

00:32:03.820 not giving the power to censor to the government. And it's not giving the power to censor also to

00:32:11.740 a guild of your competitors, which is what happened to us at the legislature in Alberta.

00:32:17.560 But it also was how the government passed the buck off to blocking us from the debates. They

00:32:23.260 said, oh, you know, it's put together by the Debates Commission. You can't get access to the

00:32:27.760 Parliament because the PPG is in charge of that. Well, the PPG is a bunch of bailout journalists

00:32:32.980 reliant on the government for their survival. So naturally, they're going to do whatever the

00:32:36.880 government wants them to do. I'm with you when you say it must be the wild, wild west. And

00:32:44.080 competition will weed out those who cannot survive by doing good journalism. They'll just

00:32:50.080 go by the wayside. It is expensive. And if you can't do journalism, you'll just go on and do

00:32:55.660 other things. It's the free market at work. The answer is not giving control over what you do

00:33:01.920 to either the government or the people who you exist as a counterbalance to.

00:33:08.820 Yeah, well, and as Andrew pointed out, I guess it's a solution looking for a problem. I mean,

00:33:12.480 if we did see media events overwhelmed by a number of self-styled independent journalists,

00:33:18.300 which are still fine, but if it's becoming that large a queue going on, then perhaps address it

00:33:22.300 at that time. But until if and when that happens, because you pointed out the pitfalls of having

00:33:27.460 an organization or an industry type of regulation as well. Again, especially the whole thing comes

00:33:33.820 down to that qualified Canadian journalism thing that makes them beholden. They don't want to rock

00:33:37.220 the boat. Even if you're within media and they might be sympathetic to the independent outlets,

00:33:42.380 they're not going to feel inclined to be nice to them. I hate to say it.

00:33:47.680 No, and I'm not a fan of big tech companies at all. I think there are a lot of issues there

00:33:52.840 that need to be dealt with but the qcjo and the bill c18 uh provisions make me believe it or not

00:34:00.260 sympathetic to the facebooks and the googles and the twitters because yeah uh c18 in particular

00:34:04.420 part of me is that it's a miracle but yeah i know the enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy is

00:34:11.540 eventually in a loose acquaintance i think but uh what happens is the companies the tech companies

00:34:18.060 will need to pay, as Sheila mentioned earlier,

00:34:21.160 these media companies that are government approved

00:34:23.360 if they link to them.

00:34:24.740 And by link to, I don't even mean they had to do it.

00:34:28.520 Like if the Toronto Star sets up a Facebook page

00:34:31.480 and links to itself on Facebook,

00:34:34.680 Facebook needs to pay the Toronto Star somehow.

00:34:36.900 And we've decided that the Toronto Star

00:34:38.840 is not making a decision.

00:34:40.320 The Toronto Star is somehow being exploited by Facebook.

00:34:43.520 Google, which is a search results index

00:34:46.760 that lets people search for things will now have to pay for the privilege of including something

00:34:52.320 in its search. These outlets want eyes on them. These outlets are using social media. So

00:34:57.420 why have we decided, why has the government decided that these companies, which by the way,

00:35:02.500 do not need news sites. I forget the exact number, but I think like news makes up less than 10% of

00:35:09.700 Facebook's business. If I recall from the Australia case where this happened, like they, they need

00:35:15.040 memes and cat videos and influencers and people saying what they had for dinner that day they

00:35:20.780 don't need the toronto star they don't need cbc they don't need ctv so the fact that these companies

00:35:25.860 owe anything to so to the news industry in canada is absolutely laughable yeah and i had uh was it

00:35:33.380 peter menzies on a little while back talking about that and he was with the crtc and he was a

00:35:37.840 publisher and he's just horrified with where it's going he called it a shakedown that was the term

00:35:42.260 is. They're shaking down the social media giants with this. I mean, you're forced providers in a

00:35:47.540 sense, and that's not going to make the environment any more healthy. I listened to an interesting

00:35:52.460 podcast on Canada land, which ideologically is quite different than myself, but I respect them

00:35:56.540 as another independent outlet. And they're certainly never afraid of being critical of

00:35:59.940 the government either. And they spoke to one of the people on that committee for it. And it was

00:36:04.160 just so clear on how arbitrary the closed doors decisions were on who is going to qualify and who

00:36:09.320 isn't as well. So I mean, there are independent media outlets that understand this on any side

00:36:15.480 of the political spectrum. But how do you think we can push back against this? I mean, we saw

00:36:18.860 the conservative, a conservative government, I hate to say it will be just as happy to shut down

00:36:23.300 critical media as a liberal one, if given the chance, that's just their nature. So I'll start

00:36:28.700 with Sheila, like, what could we do, though? How can we fight this? You guys are going to court.

00:36:32.420 Are there other ways we can push back? Well, I think for us, the most important thing is to get

00:36:36.580 this in front of a judge again. Every time that we drag the liberals in front of a judge,

00:36:41.840 particularly on free press issues, we continue to win. So this will be, I'm predicting our third

00:36:48.240 victory. Because as you rightly point out, it's so arbitrary. How do we meet requirements when we

00:36:54.260 don't know what truly what the requirements are? I mean, the idea that some government censor

00:36:59.780 was making, you know, $120,000 a year plus benefits to go through 276 of our stories,

00:37:06.740 which is just a light smattering of the work we do, to decide that none of it was news,

00:37:12.900 only 1% of it was news, I probably get 10% of my story stolen by the mainstream media.

00:37:18.960 So how do they say that it's just 1%? But for us, you know, you know, Ezra Levant,

00:37:26.260 release the lawyers for us that's the best way um and but we are taking on the government with

00:37:33.380 the deepest pockets in the land they have all the money in the world to fight our little independent

00:37:38.580 news agency they just keep rounding up lawyers and lawyers um but you know uh like i said off

00:37:45.300 the top of the show we live and breathe on our supporters and we have this army of people out

00:37:52.580 there who just come through time and time again who want us to live on and want us to fight the

00:37:58.020 government another day and and uh tell the other side of the story so we're just so grateful for

00:38:02.740 that but it's also things like this where you know we we are i guess competitors in the same space

00:38:09.860 but i think a rising tide floats all boats um and it's not like the united states where there's

00:38:15.700 this overwhelming saturation of conservative media it's really just us in canada that's doing

00:38:23.620 you know source original source journalism and um we have to stick up for each other and i think we

00:38:29.300 do so yeah likewise andrew like you know the tools or things you have in mind that we could

00:38:34.580 do to push back is this trend i mean isn't like anything else with government uh once you let it

00:38:38.820 go it's a lot harder to undo i mean we're still in the early stages we might be able to head this off

00:38:43.380 yet yeah and i think there certainly needs to be court challenges on this i mean true north has

00:38:49.700 never had the legal war chest that rebel has had and we also haven't had as many need as much of

00:38:56.180 a need in a lot of cases to to unleash the lawyers but when we were banned from the leaders debates

00:39:00.660 commission we felt this was something that could not be allowed to stand and we fought it and we

00:39:05.060 ended up being accredited in in 2021 and while rebel wasn't i i think perhaps at the next election

00:39:09.940 maybe they'll have learned their lesson but i i think that there are two aspects of this one is

00:39:15.060 that individual people who are hearing this need to support independent media with not just your

00:39:20.580 clicks and your shares and your views which are important but also with your money i mean one

00:39:24.660 thing that even these social media companies with their algorithms are very responsive to

00:39:28.900 is advertising and and we've had sometimes things that we've promoted and put advertising behind

00:39:33.860 uh we are on the ground and i get so many people coming out who have even at the convoy that it's

00:39:38.900 you know they'd say oh where are you from and i'd say true north and they'd say oh i love true north

00:39:42.020 or they'd say oh what's that i haven't heard of it and then they'd subscribe so being on the

00:39:46.100 ground and covering things is one of the greatest ways of being an ambassador for independent media

00:39:50.900 in general because people see that we're actually doing work and and the cbc reporters that are

00:39:55.940 cowering in their offices on spark street writing about the convoy through their windows versus

00:40:01.220 people like me and my colleagues that are out there from different outlets interviewing people

00:40:05.220 and showcasing that so but we can only do that with people that support us and and when i say

00:40:10.420 that i i don't mean give us ten thousand dollars if you want to please but give us five dollars

00:40:15.020 give it give us two dollars buy it buy us a cup of coffee i mean that that's the the sort of thing

00:40:19.700 we're doing so i i think that ultimately the audience will be the deciding factor and the

00:40:24.680 audience is the the one trump card that we have because our audience is growing the mainstream

00:40:29.460 media audience is not and and that's going to be the great equalizer but we're going to be up

00:40:34.060 against more and more resistance through policies like the ones we've been talking about.

00:40:38.040 Well, and sorry to drag this on a little bit, but we must remember that our audiences are

00:40:43.160 experiencing much the same censorship that we as conservative news outlets are too. They are also

00:40:49.420 being deplatformed, kicked off social media, having their posts hidden from others, being told that

00:40:57.160 they are harmful or harassing. So they really do understand what we're going through. And for

00:41:04.460 us at Rebel News, it's so often because we advocate for those normal people out there.

00:41:10.840 But another way that people can fight back is, I don't know if you guys have heard, but there's

00:41:14.940 this conservative leadership campaign happening right now. I think it's important to put the

00:41:21.520 leadership candidates to the test. It's not enough to do the popular, easy, conservative

00:41:29.020 thing of saying, oh, I'm going to defund the CBC. Okay, great. Thank you. That's 1.5 billion bucks

00:41:35.180 a year. Thank you. Appreciate that. We shouldn't have to pay for people who, I almost knocked over

00:41:40.740 my microphone, people who hate conservatives. We shouldn't have to pay for that. They're free

00:41:45.800 to say it. I don't want to have to pay for it. That's great. But what are you going to do about

00:41:50.360 Bill C-11, the digital charter? What are you going to do about C-18? What are you going to do about

00:41:55.100 the media bailout, the CBC-ification of the rest of the media? What are you going to do about that?

00:42:00.980 What are you going to do about the Online Streaming Act, where they have left the door wide open

00:42:05.500 for regulation of video games, because the government said they play on the same screen?

00:42:12.460 That is literally the logic they used. I saw it in a document. Press the conservative leadership

00:42:18.280 hopefuls on that because they're not going to get pressed by it or on it by the mainstream media

00:42:26.880 who are advocating for these laws, but advocating for them to be done quicker and harsher.

00:42:33.400 I think that's another thing that normal people can do is start hammering your candidates on this

00:42:39.160 stuff. If I could jump on that as well. One thing I would say, even structurally, conservative

00:42:44.860 of politicians need to do a better job at working with independent media and not just during

00:42:49.640 leadership races. You know, I will say in 2020, Aaron O'Toole had in his leadership platform

00:42:55.380 that he would ensure independent press gallery members had equal standing on Parliament Hill

00:43:00.260 to parliamentary press gallery members, which, and this was something that came out not long

00:43:04.460 after the IPG was formed. It was great. He never won. So we never got to see if he would have

00:43:09.040 fulfilled that promise. But I can say once Aaron O'Toole was leader, it became pretty much impossible

00:43:14.260 to do an interview with him.

00:43:15.340 I did one with him in December of 2020,

00:43:17.980 and then never again from then

00:43:19.760 until the time he was ousted as leader

00:43:21.640 was I able to have a one-on-one interview

00:43:23.940 with Aaron O'Toole.

00:43:25.200 Premier Jason Kenney has always come on my show

00:43:27.500 when I've asked.

00:43:28.380 I've appreciated that,

00:43:29.500 even if my audience isn't a fan of him

00:43:31.080 at various points.

00:43:32.440 During leadership races,

00:43:33.780 all the candidates,

00:43:34.680 Lesley Lewis, Pierre Paulyevre,

00:43:36.180 Jean Charest,

00:43:36.800 they've all been doing independent media.

00:43:39.080 But whenever you see stories

00:43:40.520 of conservative insiders leaking something,

00:43:42.600 it's always to the Toronto Star.

00:43:43.980 it's to the globe and mail it's to ctv so so they still view the mainstream media as being their

00:43:51.580 conduit to an audience and if it's a big enough story as sheila knows the mainstream media will

00:43:55.820 steal our coverage anyway so let us break it first but that's a big thing conservative

00:44:00.460 politicians and the conservative party need to start owning up to it i mean you guys know that

00:44:05.740 the mainstream media is going to burn you every single time we aren't going to be sycophants

00:44:10.540 we'll give you a fair shake but start leading by example yeah well that puts you know it's a good

00:44:17.340 way to close off because it puts some of the onus on ourselves as long as we make ourselves

00:44:21.180 too big to fail uh we give you know too much if we're drawing too much audience as far as it's

00:44:26.300 concerned for the others they can't shut us out they can't avoid us and uh you know we have to

00:44:31.500 if we're putting a good product we're we're going to keep getting those subscribers and uh we got

00:44:35.100 to keep reminding people that self-serving plug sign up for all of them so maybe we'll close up

00:44:40.060 just to remind everybody where your shows are guys uh so you sheila so people know where to

00:44:43.740 go to find good independent media sure um majority of our content is available for free if you want

00:44:49.500 to see the uncensored version might i suggest not going anywhere near youtube and over to rumble

00:44:55.660 um because there are many things that we cannot publish on youtube but if you want to support our

00:44:59.500 independent journalism you can do that at rebelnewsplus.com that's our paywalled subscription

00:45:06.860 service and we've added two new shows there and we didn't up the price so that's us helping your

00:45:11.900 family fight inflation and if you'd like to help in our legal battle against uh trudeau for denying

00:45:17.900 us our journalism license ostensibly you can go to we are suing.ca because we are in for truly the

00:45:26.140 fight of our lives right on and andrew so true north coverage is all at tnc.news you can subscribe

00:45:34.540 on Facebook and Twitter and Rumble and all of these other platforms. And then I also do my

00:45:39.280 newsletter, which is over at andrewlawton.substack.com. Right on. And we are, of course, at the

00:45:45.800 westernstandardonline.com. And we're on all those social media majors as well. So I appreciate you

00:45:51.780 guys, you know, responding and us getting together. I'm sure viewers appreciate seeing the independent

00:45:56.500 media outlets, you know, again, showing some, that term that Sheila used earlier that I still

00:46:00.700 mixed on is solidarity and camaraderie. Let's call it camaraderie. That's how we can make sure

00:46:06.560 we just keep that unfettered information getting out there. Thanks. Thank you.

00:46:18.760 Okay. As per Sheila there, we showed some independent media camaraderie there. And I

00:46:24.100 think we do need to stick together. You know, we compete with each other. We're trying to get

00:46:28.100 subscribers. And don't forget, there's nothing to stop any of you from subscribing to more than one

00:46:32.240 of them. So I mean, there's great content coming from the rebel coming from true north. And the

00:46:37.200 more we can get stronger is kind of like we said towards the end of the conversation, we become

00:46:41.360 too difficult to stop because as we discussed, the government wants to control they want to stop

00:46:46.080 they don't like having media out there reporting on things that they can't get a handle on and all

00:46:50.900 three of our outlets do that. And we're going to continue to do that. And it's ridiculous that the

00:46:56.500 government thinks that they're in some sort of position to say who is or who isn't an actual

00:47:01.120 media outlet. So it was a great conversation we had. And I hope we can get more of those going

00:47:06.440 in the future with all three of us together like that. We're all pushing for a common cause.

00:47:11.160 So next I'm going to have coming in studio and in person here, this will be live. So we've gone

00:47:15.420 from, you know, my recorded one to a live person in studio. And this was a Conservative Party of

00:47:20.300 Canada declared candidate, Elizabeth Clare Lewis,

00:47:24.080 the deadline has passed.

00:47:25.900 So I'm afraid Elizabeth didn't make it into the mix,

00:47:28.040 but there's still plenty of federal issues to talk about.

00:47:30.480 And we could see what is Lewis wanted to do

00:47:33.580 and still wants to do, I imagine,

00:47:34.660 and see in Canadian politics.

00:47:35.800 So, hey there, Liz, Elizabeth, I should say,

00:47:39.200 and I don't like to get too casual, I guess,

00:47:41.100 but thank you very much for joining us today.

00:47:44.360 Thank you. Liz is fine.

00:47:45.480 That's actually what I go by.

00:47:46.960 Yeah, so the one of the big reasons that I think that I wanted to enter this conversation with the Conservative Party was to really have some good dialogue about medical freedoms and the problems in our medical system and what we can do to fix them.

00:48:05.460 So, one of the things that I was looking at doing is creating a pilot program that would allow, first of all, to help educate the public about how to read a basic blood work page, because that's what mostly you get done, and to take away some of the controls from the doctors and give them back to people.

00:48:26.740 So those controls, for example, would be being able to order your own blood work.

00:48:31.120 It would save actually up to about 40% of the physician costs that are incurred if you were just able to start at the beginning, order your blood work, and then go to the doctor for a prescription.

00:48:44.480 or even better to if there's if it's something simple like a bacterial infection you could just

00:48:51.480 be able to get a direct prescription from a lab directly to your pharmacy and then you would save

00:48:58.960 two doctor visits that would be eighty dollars you'd save in just that one transaction per

00:49:03.800 patient. So the other thing that's really important about that is that it gives you the

00:49:09.640 the ability to kind of pump your own gas. And I think there's a lot of people that do not like

00:49:15.040 being over-nannied. And so that helps in that situation. It helps people take control of their

00:49:21.380 health and their health choices. The other thing about it that I was looking is making sure you

00:49:27.000 have checks and balances in the medical and social systems so that you don't have a problem

00:49:34.400 where you have an overbearing doctor who has decided something for you. Mental health diagnoses

00:49:41.360 are a great example of that. Because most of them are done by exclusion. But the problem is the

00:49:50.480 doctors don't exclude all the stuff. So it would really be, for me, the really important thing was

00:49:58.000 fixing the standards in medical care so that some of the disasters that happened to me

00:50:03.840 would never happen to somebody else. And I had somebody misdiagnose a stroke for something else

00:50:12.160 and that was scary. The other thing was the same situation with social services,

00:50:30.080 because I think a lot of times things get out of control with people because we don't have

00:50:36.960 a system where people can speak up at the beginning and have an almost a legal transaction

00:50:44.240 where they're able to say you know where there's a due process in that and people lose their kids

00:50:49.520 and people have you know these times where the government overreach that has been going on for

00:50:54.160 years these are places where it can be stopped so that's those are a couple things um for me

00:51:00.480 the cbc is something that i think should stay but i think we need to look at it in terms of

00:51:06.400 representation so um since 30 of the population is conservative 30 of the airtime should represent

00:51:15.200 conservative speakers um and you know and that way you have a much more equal conversation and

00:51:23.440 the last thing that i was going to talk about is taxes and so one of the ideas that i had for taxes

00:51:28.880 and questions i had about taxes was why is it that if the government can if if an employer can only

00:51:35.680 um make you work for 40 hours a week why is it that for all the immigrants and people that have

00:51:42.640 to work two jobs why is it the government can tax you on more than 40 hours and that can add up to

00:51:49.600 a lot. So for example, that overtime work that a 20-something an hour employee does adds up to

00:51:59.120 about 35 days that he could have been spending with his family that he's given to the government

00:52:03.780 for free because he needed to work longer than 40 hours. So those are a few of the points I was

00:52:09.380 looking at. So the race is ongoing at this point, as I said, unfortunately, you didn't make the bar

00:52:15.220 for entry. Are you still participating with the party though? I mean, are you going to

00:52:21.300 get involved with another campaign or are you undecided at this point? The issues carry on.

00:52:26.020 Um, I, um, I'm, I'm also, I'm also a board member for UCP. So, um, yeah,

00:52:33.380 um, so I'd look at that and I, and there's always a possibility of running down the road,

00:52:38.580 either here or in the States. I have an American green card. So, but, and, and also it's, it's also

00:52:46.980 kind of, I'm kind of involved with writing to some of the MLAs and MPs about some of the other issues

00:52:52.500 that I have. One was talking with Whitney Isaac the other day about women's safety and, and getting

00:53:01.780 proper medical post-rape care. So that's kind of a big, heavy topic.

00:53:07.780 Well, I mean, you're interested in a broad spectrum of political things, and you're headed

00:53:12.440 for the federal leadership, so you're still involved provincially, as you said, because

00:53:15.140 a lot of the things you're talking about would fall under provincial jurisdiction,

00:53:18.560 healthcare reforms, things like that. What if, I mean, the blood work sounds interesting,

00:53:24.240 for example, but then what's the control to keep somebody from abusing it? Is it, we've got,

00:53:29.360 you know, we have to admit some hypochondriacs out there and say, I want to get my blood tested

00:53:32.800 every couple of days, because I'm just worried that every day I've got something going on.

00:53:37.840 The oversight of a physician is as much as it's expensive and can be problematic is also it does

00:53:42.640 serve a purpose. Well, that's actually pretty quick, pretty easy. We, for example, if you see

00:53:48.160 somebody going and asking for things where there's no, what is it, where there's nothing where the

00:53:55.680 blood work is fine you can you can put a stop on that you can say you know digitally basically and

00:54:01.680 say you know fella you know you know you've had five tests that have all shown that everything

00:54:08.000 is clear and you know this is this is where we um we stop it and the same the converse can happen

00:54:16.000 when there's a problem with a patient and you know one of the big problems that we had in bc

00:54:21.600 and is the fact that one, Vancouver, I don't know if you know this, but Vancouver General Hospital

00:54:27.280 is a grade D hospital. That's lowest you can get. That's their biggest hospital system,

00:54:32.380 Vancouver Coastal Health. And so the comparison between kind of conservative health care

00:54:37.920 and liberal health care is massive. Alberta, for example, has 11 A and A plus hospitals.

00:54:45.360 I mean, that's the best in the West. And compare that to BC that has none. And compare that to BC where there's a problem when patients go in and they have clear, you know, they'll have like a white count of like 15.9 and they don't get medical attention.

00:55:06.740 In fact, there was a young girl that died there about a year ago, I don't know if you remember the story, who had gone in with a small cyst that was a staph infestation.

00:55:16.380 She asked the doctor to check it, went into Lionsgate Hospital five times, and it wasn't checked.

00:55:23.040 So one of the things that we really need to do in terms of the checks and balances is dealing with these issues of soft denial of services.

00:55:30.600 so that when you see a case like that, that it could automatically flag

00:55:36.280 and you could get in a doctor who knows what they're doing.

00:55:39.560 And so that would, the protection can work on both sides of that.

00:55:43.160 Yeah, well, and part of our problem is, I mean, we've got some fantastic professionals.

00:55:47.260 Once somebody gets in, the problem is we have massive waiting lists to get in,

00:55:51.640 whether it was in the emergency room itself or at a walk-in clinic

00:55:56.520 or any of those sorts of things.

00:55:58.100 I mean, how could we avoid that overload?

00:55:59.660 because as much as we'd like to, you know, get people in faster, the resources are kind of

00:56:04.360 stretched to the maximum right now. Well, one of the things that you could do with things is

00:56:09.920 educate the public a little more so that there's a part of it that they can take care of themselves.

00:56:16.180 You know, anyone should be able to take care of a urinary tract infection just by going

00:56:20.560 to the lab, having a quick test, and it's going to show what it is. You don't even need,

00:56:26.160 you can be doctorless there and then all of a sudden that frees up all of that doctor time

00:56:31.680 for patients that really need it elderly patients people that have difficulty communicating

00:56:36.640 people who um you know that that have uh you know maybe you know mental challenges that that make

00:56:44.160 it hard but there's a there's a heck of a lot that we could actually take into our own hands

00:56:50.160 because it's not it's really high school level science there's a huge part of it that is high

00:56:55.280 school level science and that's where it should be taught rather than some of the more peculiar

00:56:59.360 ideas that are being taught today so what about expanding abilities for pharmacists i mean they're

00:57:04.080 medical professionals as well and i know there's been some work towards that to try and say well

00:57:08.800 we can allow them to prescribe for certain things i mean you don't want to have them

00:57:11.840 prescribing for something that needs some medical testing to be sure of and things like that but

00:57:15.760 i know there's been issues with people who need regular medications they need the same medication

00:57:19.360 the same amount month after month they can't get more than a month at a time and they have to keep

00:57:23.120 going to the doctor to get a new prescription i mean you want periodic checks of course but uh

00:57:28.160 it seems that we keep sending people into these doctors over and over we don't necessarily need

00:57:31.520 to no we don't and it is certainly i mean in bc they do have the possibility of doing a three-month

00:57:37.280 prescriptions for for most of the for most things um i know my insulin was like that um

00:57:44.880 and also there's also another thing that that can be that should be considered about it

00:57:49.280 is that there's a lot of diseases that have you know that have like if you have a cancer patient

00:57:55.760 they're also going to automatically need things like antifungal drugs and you know and and easier

00:58:02.080 access to antibiotics because they're higher risk and so if you if you carte blanche do something

00:58:09.120 like approve it then you don't have to to jump through the same hoops because then you have a

00:58:15.760 and more focused care for that particular patient class.

00:58:20.760 And it speeds things up.

00:58:22.640 And again, if you're in that situation,

00:58:26.200 like if you're a cancer patient,

00:58:27.880 things go fast and you need to be able

00:58:31.040 to access those medications quickly.

00:58:33.880 And once we know what they are,

00:58:36.540 you have at the same time,

00:58:39.360 the same thing with patients that have recurring UTIs,

00:58:42.960 you can just get that approved

00:58:46.520 and then they should be able to just get

00:58:48.440 what they need when they need it.

00:58:50.560 So outside of health and some of the communications,

00:58:53.040 what was your top priority in your campaign

00:58:55.920 when you were trying to get things rolling?

00:58:57.560 So one was looking at revising some of the taxes,

00:59:00.760 which I mentioned with the 40%,

00:59:02.720 because the thing about the taxes is it's an interesting thing,

00:59:06.000 but the Liberals kind of wrote it for themselves.

00:59:09.920 and you know so it benefits them and one of the things that i was looking at and really wanting

00:59:16.640 to talk about is a gradient tax system where it's almost like you're able to say you're at you know

00:59:22.080 grade one two three four you know and you know and and look at really trying to get people from

00:59:27.520 one level to the next in a secure way and so one of the things that i really think is important 0.99

00:59:33.760 especially for low-income disabled people is for them to be able to purchase their own house not

00:59:39.120 to be stuck in a sometimes dangerous government housing and it makes a big difference in your

00:59:45.760 stability because and I'll use again the BC example which I have seen happen many times 0.81

00:59:51.760 with the mentally ill and with people who have intermittent illnesses is that they will go and

00:59:57.920 they'll be in their apartment for a few years and then they have perhaps some sort of you know

01:00:03.360 incident maybe it was pot related maybe it was just you know a bipolar um you know thing or

01:00:10.480 you know or something uh happens in their lives and they end up in one of these hospitals for

01:00:16.080 they'll call it a long-term stay so it could be more than two weeks but what winds up happening

01:00:21.440 in that situation is the government no longer pays on the apartment they lose the apartment

01:00:27.200 and they go back into the system and it contributes to this that you want to understand the cycle of

01:00:32.000 homelessness in Canada, especially in places like BC, it's these terrible liberal NDP policies

01:00:39.760 that don't build on stability. So that's a big one for me. And the other thing, it was funny

01:00:46.960 listening to, was it Daniel Smith yesterday talking about the inflation issues, is you can

01:00:53.760 actually, if you think about it, you know, that we have the gold standard, it's actually on housing

01:01:01.360 that the hyperinflation started. And it started in places like Vancouver, where you've got

01:01:06.160 what is essentially a $40,000 house selling for like over a million dollars. You know,

01:01:11.600 when people come up from the States, they laugh like crazy about this, you know,

01:01:15.760 if you've ever had it, and I have, and I tell them that's a million dollar house and they just

01:01:20.240 lose it. But it's, you know, and you understand it because it's the only warm place in Canada,

01:01:26.400 sure um that that definitely makes it make sense but the fact is is that if you want stability in

01:01:33.280 a nation you have to make you have to provide some laws to create stability in the housing prices to

01:01:40.320 prevent the flipping because that's where the hyperinflation comes from and then are in a lot

01:01:45.680 of ways housing is our goal it is the thing that our you know the the commodity that drives other

01:01:55.760 prices because if you can't afford to live somewhere you you know housing is a very basic

01:02:02.000 one and a big driver for inflation in general and that's been a big issue in the leadership race and

01:02:06.240 it probably will be in the next election so uh i guess in closing though you're going to remain

01:02:10.320 politically active you've got stuff on the go where can people find information on what you're

01:02:14.160 you're doing these days and uh you know to follow up and uh sure uh sorry for cutting off i have

01:02:20.600 two websites elizabeth claire lewis and that has the claire has an i in it dot com and the second

01:02:26.420 one is conservativepounce.com which i was kind of looking at doing a little vlog like you guys are

01:02:32.200 doing um and i have some silly merchandise making fun of trudeau and uh that you might have a laugh

01:02:38.120 at well making fun of trudeau is something that's always very popular around here so i appreciate

01:02:42.280 your throwing your hat in the ring and staying politically active. And, you know, that's how we

01:02:46.540 get things done. It's from the bottom up. So thanks for coming in to talk to me today, Elizabeth, and

01:02:50.440 we'll perhaps talk down the road. Cheers, thanks. Thank you.

01:02:56.180 Okay, so moving on, that was, again, Elizabeth Clare Lewis. She was running for the Conservative 0.77

01:03:02.020 Party of Canada, didn't get in quite in time to make the full run, but she's still quite active

01:03:07.900 and has many political goals and ideas.

01:03:11.620 He's an active person out there.

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01:04:36.740 you. Okay, so on with our busy news day. So as Dave was talking about, it was unfortunate. I saw

01:04:45.460 this news story where it was still talking about social media was active with claims that the U.S.

01:04:49.900 land borders are going to be open to unvaccinated Canadians as of Thursday night at midnight due to

01:04:55.400 some restrictions expiring. Unfortunately, that turned out not to be true. Like, is this hang up?

01:05:01.040 You know, talk about if we want to work towards economic recovery,

01:05:03.540 getting back to normal, getting back to having a life again.

01:05:06.820 One of the biggest things has got to be opening the bloody borders.

01:05:11.080 I mean, how long have we got to get on this?

01:05:12.600 And is the Americans as bad as the Canadians when it comes to this?

01:05:16.960 In that there's no good evidence showing that this has been a big issue.

01:05:21.760 We haven't had big problems.

01:05:23.680 I mean, there are no more infected down there than we are up here messing around.

01:05:28.380 Vaccinations don't make a bloody difference and spread.

01:05:31.680 I mean, again, we debate that, and that's fine.

01:05:33.680 That's what it's about.

01:05:36.280 But, I mean, the vaccinations have benefit.

01:05:38.240 I do believe that, and I think people should voluntarily be able to take them up and utilize them.

01:05:43.240 But I know as well as anybody, we see that it doesn't stop the spread.

01:05:49.140 So what's the point of these bloody border mandates?

01:05:51.120 And the governments are hung up on them, particularly Trudeau, of course.

01:05:54.940 I think it's a point of pride with him almost now, but a little pride that guy should have.

01:06:01.200 I don't know how long it's going to take until we get these bloody regulations down. They're

01:06:07.640 hurting us, guys. They're hurting us a lot. Again, we talk about inflation. They pay lip service to

01:06:12.860 why everything's costing so much. They talk about how people are having a hard time. One of the

01:06:17.060 areas that they love talking about supply chains, a critical part of it's trucking in that still

01:06:21.540 an area with a whole bunch of labor, a whole bunch of people on both sides of the border

01:06:25.340 who can't bring those goods and services across. And look, certainly there's many who can. When you

01:06:30.800 take a whole bunch out of the mix, you reduce the supply, you reduce the ability, and the prices go

01:06:35.800 up. This isn't that complicated, or it shouldn't be. But the governments will not back down on

01:06:42.720 that. I don't know what it takes. Speaking of governments that won't back down on anything,

01:06:46.620 one of the things that started with my rent, as I said, there were no politicians with the courage

01:06:50.680 to take out supply management. 1.00

01:06:51.780 When I had Polly Ev on,

01:06:53.040 I asked him about it.

01:06:53.840 He said he would keep it.

01:06:54.960 I had Leslie Lewis on.

01:06:56.780 She actually gave some of those myths 1.00

01:06:58.360 about American milk and dairy being unhealthy.

01:07:02.800 That's not true. 1.00

01:07:03.460 That's a bunch of bull crap 1.00

01:07:04.420 that the dairy cartels spread constantly. 0.99

01:07:08.040 It's just as healthy in the private market, guys.

01:07:10.460 If you listen to these crazed cartels

01:07:11.900 and their defense of it,

01:07:12.660 they say, oh my God, 0.85

01:07:13.620 it'll go to hell in Canada

01:07:14.620 if we don't have this cartel. 0.50

01:07:16.300 Well, is beef poisoning people?

01:07:18.980 Pork?

01:07:19.300 I mean, come on guys, enough of the BS.

01:07:22.300 If your industry can't stand on its own two feet

01:07:24.300 and provide safe product to us

01:07:26.300 without government managing you,

01:07:28.300 you don't deserve to be in business.

01:07:30.300 I'm tired of their excuses.

01:07:31.300 Sick to death of them, as a matter of fact. 0.99

01:07:33.300 It's a bunch of crap, but they're very effective lobby. 1.00

01:07:37.300 And they spend, they got hundreds of millions of dollars. 0.99

01:07:39.300 They spend that on lobbying.

01:07:41.300 That's money that could go towards production.

01:07:42.300 They spend it on lobbying.

01:07:43.300 Every conservative leadership candidate,

01:07:46.300 the first thing they get a phone call from

01:07:48.300 is the dairy lobby. Every time. These guys are good at what they do. And we saw that with Maxime

01:07:54.180 Bernier and O'Toole. Not O'Toole. Oh, man, I'm going back two races. Bernier, why am I forgetting

01:08:01.840 the other guy who was in for a little while? He is forgettable. And he was the other conservative 0.89

01:08:05.900 leader. He won by 1% by kissing the butts of the dairy lobby. And now, of course, conservatives are

01:08:10.820 terrified of Andrew Scheer, of course. They're terrified of taking on that dairy lobby. And

01:08:17.400 so even ones who claim to be conservative will not touch this rotten system. And again,

01:08:24.280 think of how stupid it is. Literally, it's 300 or 400. I've looked it up with chickens that you can 1.00

01:08:30.580 own. I know it's a number, but if you own 401 chickens and you don't have a quota, you'll go

01:08:37.200 to jail. Yeah. Like technically anyways, and maybe you'll start with a fine and so on. But

01:08:42.040 The bottom line is it's illegal.

01:08:43.100 It's criminal to have more than 400 chickens without a quota,

01:08:48.800 without this special permit from the government that they keep strangled.

01:08:51.700 Same with producing eggs and the rest.

01:08:54.440 Why?

01:08:55.060 Why on earth do we need this?

01:08:57.220 And nobody can make a living on anything less than a few thousand chickens.

01:09:00.860 It doesn't mean you have to be a mega operation with hundreds of thousands of chickens,

01:09:03.440 but you see these mid-range affordable ones cannot compete.

01:09:06.740 And why? 0.96

01:09:07.300 It's ridiculous. 0.93

01:09:07.980 It's absurd. 1.00

01:09:08.960 We don't have a minimum amount of, you know, you don't have a quota on pigs.

01:09:12.200 We don't have a quota on goats or on cattle.

01:09:15.240 And those industries make it.

01:09:16.740 I'm just tired of the supply management fart catchers who keep making excuses for this broken system. 0.97

01:09:22.220 It's a Soviet-style crappy system. 0.82

01:09:24.280 And Canada's one of the last countries on the whole planet that still has it. 0.75

01:09:28.000 Denise Martin asking, is it Canada-wide?

01:09:29.420 Yeah, it's federal policy.

01:09:32.480 And I've used that analogy, and I'll use it again for people who haven't heard it before.

01:09:35.860 You know, Jane, my wife, grew up in Rockiford, Alberta, a small dairy operation, and her father

01:09:40.960 had a quota to sell cream, only a certain amount of it, but cream, but he didn't have a quota for

01:09:46.200 milk. So they would milk the cows, and this story is so common, and lots of people in rural communities

01:09:51.100 can share it with you, and they know about it. Milk the cows, skim the cream, sell that, make some

01:09:55.080 bucks for the family, use the milk as much as you can around the house. If you've got pigs, you'll

01:09:59.580 feed it to the pigs. If you don't, you pour it in the ditch, because it's illegal to sell it. That's

01:10:03.520 how stupid it is. And that's really what happens. So, I mean, I'm just tired of defending this. 1.00

01:10:09.520 Like I said, Leslie Lewis wouldn't defend it. I had Sherey on, that's not surprising. He wouldn't,

01:10:16.240 I say Lewis wouldn't speak out against the cartels. Sherey predictably wouldn't. And

01:10:23.700 Polyev, unfortunately, I was surprised, but I guess I shouldn't be. He said he would keep the

01:10:29.560 dairy cartels going as well, which is too bad. He's been fantastic on every other front, but

01:10:34.480 nobody, nobody can pretend to be a free market conservative and support supply management. You

01:10:40.940 can't, you're lying. You're lying. Supply management is the opposite of free market,

01:10:45.280 the complete opposite, the complete opposite. So do you cherry pick on what you support? Are you,

01:10:52.380 can you be part, you know, you can't, you can't be half pregnant guys. You either support free 1.00

01:10:56.880 markets and you don't. If you support this crap, you don't support free markets. I'm not saying 0.99

01:11:00.720 it's a reason to fully dismiss one candidate or another. You tend to choose the best of the bunch

01:11:04.960 you can, but it's ridiculous that we can't have a proper discussion on this and just call it out

01:11:10.740 for what it is. It's socialism at its ugliest, at its worst, it's Soviet style, and we need to get

01:11:15.940 rid of it. One of the Conservative Party candidates did come out strongly against it, and that was

01:11:21.380 Scott Aitchison. I haven't had him on yet. I hope I can get him. He's running for the leadership.

01:11:26.880 he's one of the ones who has fully qualified and gone in. And he's the MP for Perry Sound,

01:11:31.380 Muskoka, Ontario. And he called it out for what it is. It was so refreshing. He said he will kill

01:11:37.020 farm quotas. What were his words? He said, longstanding dairy quotas are to blame for

01:11:42.660 spiraling food costs. He's absolutely right. He called it a price fixing system. And that is what

01:11:47.340 it is. I mean, you don't get to choose the price. Again, it's not a free market. A producer doesn't

01:11:52.000 sell it to a distributor or a processor. And then, you know, they get to choose their prices.

01:11:56.360 It's set by a cartel. They fixed the price. It's funny. This would be illegal in any other industry. Illegal if a bunch of industries got together and set that price. We know that does happen. When they get caught, they get spanked for it. But when it's supply management, suddenly it's not a problem. Again, an amazingly effective lobby. Pamela Jones-Kinney saying, could it be that Pierre might address it at some point if he became prime minister? I don't know. I hope so. I mean, I do.

01:12:24.580 But, you know, it's kind of a deceptive way to have to go about things is to say that you'll

01:12:28.640 preserve it for a while until you get in and then change your mind on it. I just prefer open,

01:12:32.740 honest campaigning to say, call it out for what it is. I mean, I want it gone no matter who gets

01:12:37.680 rid of it. But I mean, we get too much of that from the other side with people who campaign right

01:12:40.960 and then swing left when they get in. So I don't think it's any more principled for somebody to

01:12:44.620 campaign left and then swing right when they get in. And I tell you what, if you're supporting

01:12:48.060 supply management, you're campaigning left, not just a little left, extreme left, because that's

01:12:52.100 Soviet style, as I said.

01:12:54.540 So again, Aitchison, at least with that issue alone,

01:12:56.940 and I know it's not necessarily a deal breaker for people,

01:12:59.140 but I'm glad he brought it up.

01:13:00.340 At least one of these candidates is.

01:13:02.480 And as a quote in him, he said in his campaign statement,

01:13:04.540 what's the end result?

01:13:05.340 Your food costs more, much, much more.

01:13:07.360 So he said he'd repeal the quotas for eggs,

01:13:09.880 poultry, dairy, all of that stuff.

01:13:12.540 He will end supply management

01:13:13.740 for families struggling with their grocery bills.

01:13:16.860 And the price index just keeps jumping.

01:13:18.540 So there's some promise.

01:13:20.640 you know, some of them are at least speaking up. And that's one of them. Now, maybe we'll get some

01:13:26.980 pressure going the other way. What's that? Cheryl Dawn saying we need a black market dairy and

01:13:31.220 poultry. Well, I've talked about that. You know, when you do restrict things, I was joking with

01:13:35.160 Dave about it. There really is one. There really is. Canada had the mafia involved in cheese

01:13:41.120 smuggling. This sounds like something from the Beaverton or the Onion or one of those publications,

01:13:46.000 but it's true. If you look it up, you Google it up. Canada cheese smuggling. There were actually

01:13:52.000 organized criminals, organized crime, were smuggling cheese across the border to supply

01:13:56.980 pizza restaurants in Ontario and Quebec. They got busted for it. That is what happens when you

01:14:03.600 have government forcing, you know, restricting items and messing with the markets. You create

01:14:10.380 a black market or a gray market and things happen. When cigarette taxes were way out of

01:14:14.940 back in the early 90s, we had massive cigarette smuggling going on in Canada. It wasn't until

01:14:19.120 the taxes were cut before that went down. So we literally have that. We also have it. There's

01:14:22.640 another area that supply managed I didn't talk about. I don't care as much. We don't have it in

01:14:26.460 the West, but still important as any. And that's maple syrup, actually. That's supply managed.

01:14:30.760 Same thing. And we've had mafia and criminal enterprises involved in black market maple

01:14:36.500 syrup. How Canadian do you get? I mean, it's comical and it's funny, but it's still, 0.99

01:14:41.940 uh, it's, it's dark comedy. You know, we've actually got, we've screwed with our, uh, you

01:14:48.360 know, production system so badly that we brought in black markets and mafia got involved. Uh, 0.99

01:14:53.040 went ahead, AJ Galante on, not to say that he's involved with the mafia still, or his family is,

01:14:56.600 I don't know, but you know, they know people who know people. I wonder if they've ever been

01:15:00.740 involved in the, uh, dairy, uh, export to Canada market, but, uh, it's ridiculous. Uh, Denise

01:15:07.540 Martin said there has to be HUD rates in Alberta to buy from. Most of their HUD rates who are

01:15:11.180 producing large amounts of chicken, eggs, and dairy have quotas. They're in the system. So you

01:15:16.160 can buy from them, but they're part of that corporate farming. In fact, they're a large part

01:15:20.460 of it. The few that we have in the West, most of it's in Quebec, but out West, it's Hutterites who 1.00

01:15:24.080 dominate it. Nothing against Hutterites. I have nothing at all against them, but they're in the 1.00

01:15:28.480 supply management system. And if they don't have quotas and they're selling it off to the side,

01:15:32.520 it's illegal. Bobby Poitierk saying you can purchase unpasteurized milk in Australia. And

01:15:39.320 yeah, Australia had a supply management system. They got rid of it and they're doing fine. And

01:15:44.880 I don't know, I don't understand the fixation with unpasteurized, but I have a total fixation

01:15:48.540 with free choice. So if somebody wants to go out and drink unpasteurized milk, go for it. And if

01:15:52.900 somebody wants to sell it to you, go for it. As far as I'm concerned, you should be able, I should

01:15:56.920 be able to go and produce there where I live and buy my own dairy cow and put a little sign up on

01:16:01.260 the side of the road and sell it. Hey, you can come by and suck it straight from the tee to my cow

01:16:05.360 for five bucks a shot or whatever I want to make it, 0.97

01:16:08.120 that's free enterprise.

01:16:09.140 I don't think I'd get a lot of customers.

01:16:10.740 I doubt I'd get rich.

01:16:11.600 I couldn't see myself setting a trend.

01:16:13.320 But whose place is it to say that I can't do it?

01:16:15.900 Well, right now it's the government's.

01:16:17.480 I would be arrested pretty quickly for that.

01:16:19.900 And I'd be kind of worried about the people

01:16:21.560 who would actually take part in my offer.

01:16:23.620 But all the same, we need to open the markets up.

01:16:27.760 And that supply management is a large one

01:16:31.400 where we could do that if we could just get to it.

01:16:33.620 so let's see what else we got in the oh yes here's another one of the myths going on since

01:16:39.200 I've ranted on that one enough but uh going back to the truckers convoy and the federal crisis you

01:16:45.060 know in quotes marks I think Dave covered this there's a story in the western standard about

01:16:48.440 that too and uh that's the grants remember the Ottawa businesses were suffering hardships because

01:16:53.580 while the protest was there they they were you know getting pushed out of business and they

01:16:57.360 weren't going to be able to make it and oh dear well you know whenever people actually ask businesses

01:17:02.980 most of them said, no, it's not that big a deal. And also, of course, most of the businesses lost

01:17:06.700 far, far, far more money due to pandemic restrictions than they ever would out of

01:17:10.560 some protests in the area. They said, we're going to help these businesses. We're going

01:17:13.700 to have a program. Of course, there's always a program where you can apply and we'll bail you

01:17:19.160 out. We'll give you some money for this crisis. We'll give you some grants. Well, those grants

01:17:22.420 are 40% lower than expected, apparently, because again, there weren't that many businesses who

01:17:26.380 needed it. Some are still putting their hand out because they want money and they need it.

01:17:29.280 but I mean so much for that crisis you know if it was that huge you'd think that they would

01:17:35.580 probably be overwhelmed by people asking for it but businesses have pride they're capitalists and

01:17:39.540 most of them yeah we're just going to carry on leave me alone so so much for the businesses you

01:17:44.180 know there's 1900 of them who theoretically could have qualified for this and only 1200 applied even

01:17:50.480 so I guess perhaps the convoy wasn't quite as damaging as we're told it would be there's a

01:17:56.400 shockery. Well, welcome to the mainstream media. By the way, yeah, I was watching our mainstream

01:18:02.200 media. It does get my ranting up quite a bit. I threw that out on a tweet. CTV, I don't know. I

01:18:07.000 torture myself, but still I need some noise while I eat. I'm one of those people, if I hear somebody

01:18:10.140 chewing, I want to strangle them. So whenever we dine, I make sure I've got some noise and CTV

01:18:14.480 news provides noise, if nothing else. And I do like to see at least what's breaking on the news

01:18:19.220 while it's going. And of course, one of their headline items was Uber and Lyft are getting rid

01:18:26.140 of the masking requirements, you know, which is great. I mean, I've said it before, I like

01:18:29.660 occasionally driving Uber. I'm licensed for it. I go out on Friday nights, make a few extra bucks,

01:18:33.920 but most importantly of all, I get to meet a whole bunch of people outside of politics and

01:18:37.800 I get a diverse point of view. It really helps me think. It's a great night. I look forward to it.

01:18:43.440 And now not having to wear a mask while I do is great. But what does CTV do? Predictable as all

01:18:48.140 get out. As soon as they tell that story, they go straight to this biologist, some guy I've never

01:18:52.900 heard of, they probably had to search far and wide to find or say, this is a very dangerous

01:18:56.300 development. This is very premature. This is going to put people at risk. You know, can they not once

01:19:00.440 just say, pick somebody and say, hey, that's good. I like it. It's about time we lightened up. No,

01:19:06.300 it's all doom and gloom. It doesn't matter where they go. They've got to find the negative spin to

01:19:12.720 put on it. They do not want to celebrate anything open up. They just want to spread fear. I keep

01:19:18.060 calling it what it is. It's panic porn because I think there's some people actually get off on

01:19:21.820 being scared. The same ones who go to horror movies. Now the scariest thing you can watch

01:19:25.180 is the bloody news. And the news is more than happy to indulge them. And they did it again

01:19:29.640 last night. They got my vein pulsing again. Like, geez, guys, just celebrate something or try a

01:19:34.760 little bit of balance, but you can write their script for them. Positive development, find an

01:19:39.080 expert to say why it's negative. Sick to death of it. I can't wait for the legacy media to go down.

01:19:46.880 So I got to thank you guys for keeping us competing with them. I'm going to speak to one

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01:20:00.440 service. Again, digital currencies, they're huge. That's what everybody's talking about.

01:20:04.640 We were talking about Polyev. He paid a bill in a restaurant as a campaign sort of gimmick

01:20:08.820 with Bitcoin. And he's pointing out how digital currencies could be what will help us,

01:20:15.380 you know, fix our economy or distance ourselves from it, or at least stop the spiral with

01:20:19.420 with fiat currencies. But I mean, again, it's a complicated new world. It sounds strange, you know,

01:20:23.560 a currency that's not government issued. Well, these guys help lead you into that if that's what

01:20:27.860 you want to do. They're a safe Western Canadian based company. They offer one-on-one hands-on

01:20:33.220 service, all sorts of, they'll set up your wallet. I mean, they helped me. I'm a Luddite in a lot of

01:20:38.060 ways. You know, it's funny. I was a kid who had to teach my parents how to program a VCR. Now I'm

01:20:42.320 at a point where I would have had to call one of my kids to set up my Bitcoin wallet, but instead

01:20:45.920 actually, Bitcoin Well, they helped me out, you know, Zoom meeting in that case, but you can also

01:20:50.020 have face-to-face meetings with them, get you into it safely. You always have control of your money

01:20:55.280 at every phase of it. This is the way to go, guys. Check them out, bitcoinwell.com. See what they

01:21:01.340 have to offer and see if Bitcoin's for you. It might not be, but this is where you can get a

01:21:05.620 good trustworthy source to tell you what they offer, what it's about. So let's see. And finally,

01:21:11.160 I'm just going to wrap things up, I think, and we will talk about what I got tomorrow. I've got

01:21:15.760 Colin Craig of Second Street, Oregon coming on. He's been on before. He's really good. Those guys

01:21:19.840 do some good stuff. And what I like about them is they get a bunch of first-person stories. They

01:21:24.860 get stories from people. Unlike CTV, who's always going to find somebody negative. Well, this is

01:21:29.260 some negative stuff, perhaps, but they really want to get a mix. So they have a bunch of stories

01:21:33.280 they're sharing from people who live through socialism. Yeah, we'll get real, unvarnished

01:21:37.000 stories from people. You know, they're not exactly ones who are thrilled about what they had to

01:21:40.620 endure. Because a lot of people, young people, I don't think they understand what really is entailed

01:21:45.380 with socialism.

01:21:47.480 Colin and I are going to have a conversation about that tomorrow.

01:21:49.700 As well, we're going to bring Dave Makachuk on.

01:21:51.560 He's a Western Standard columnist.

01:21:52.980 He's always a lively, fun character to have on here.

01:21:55.720 We're going to talk about some of his columns,

01:21:57.440 not the least of which was one just on that thin blue line thing.

01:22:00.080 It's still going on in police forces across the country.

01:22:03.420 Right now, it's inflamed in Calgary, but it happens all over.

01:22:06.220 And it all ties into that whole defund the police movement

01:22:08.360 and a lot of that ugliness.

01:22:09.680 So we'll have a good conversation then.

01:22:11.020 Plus, I'll rant on something new, and I'll interact with you guys.

01:22:14.500 So thank you all for tuning in today, guys.

01:22:16.780 I will see you tomorrow at 1130.

01:22:18.120 Oh, and Danielle Smith will be on at 9 a.m. again tomorrow morning.

01:22:22.140 So you've got lots of content.

01:22:23.440 Be sure to tune in.

01:22:24.640 Thank you very much.

01:22:25.440 I'll see you tomorrow.

01:22:44.500 We'll be right back.

Western Standard - April 22, 2022

Triggered： Supply management has failed Canadians.

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