Triggered: Supply management has failed Canadians.
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Summary
In this episode of Triggered, host Corey Morgan talks about supply management and why it's time to get rid of it. Sheila Gun, Reed Lawton and Andrew Lawton join him on the show to talk about the government's attempts to control independent media.
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Good morning. It's April 21st, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan. We're getting
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into the later halves of April and the weather still sucks. Should be looking better by the
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weekend. I mean, you know, we've got to start with the small talk about the weather. That's
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what's important, right? Either way, this is, we'll be getting into a lot of news issues and
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important things right away here too. This is the Western Standards Live Daily Show for
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first-time viewers here we run every day from 11 30 a.m mountain standard time monday to friday
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except on holidays or if maybe we can coach people to work on holidays and something big breaks we
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might do it then too that's part of the reason why you should subscribe online because we have
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regular schedules but we also pop up with special things all the time today i've got a really good
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show lined up i'm going to have a media panel it's going to be sheila gun reed andrew lawton
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and myself. So Sheila's from Rebel News and Andrew's from True North. And we're going to
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talk about the government attempts to control independent media. And they've been working
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hard on trying. I think people like Sheila, Andrew, I, Derek, and all the rest of us are
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not too inclined to go down easily with that. But it's a great talk we had. And I have to admit
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it was recorded. It's hard to get all three of us together at the same time, but we'll run that.
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And I'll watch the comments and probably we'll chat a bit while it's running as well.
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And then we have a declared contender for the Conservative Party of Canada leadership race,
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And hey, anybody who's running for it, I will give them some time and we will talk to them
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So we'll see what Ms. Lewis thinks she can bring to the race.
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So let's get on to what's got me wound up today.
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this is the time guys when supply management, remember we don't hear about it often enough in
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my view, it's supposed to protect us from all these price spikes in food products during
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extraordinary circumstances. This is when we should be laughing at the world as they deal
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with hyperinflation within their food markets while we enjoy our coddled and price-protected
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dairy, egg, and poultry industries. At least that's what proponents of supply management have
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been telling us for decades as Canadians have been soaked with some of the highest dairy prices on
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earth. We were told those high prices were something of an investment. Paying now would
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save us from paying later when we'd really need it. Supply management would guarantee food security
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for us all when world supply becomes scarce. Look, supply management's a Soviet-style system
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that controls all production of dairy, egg, and poultry products. It's literally illegal to produce
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and sell any of those items if you don't have a quota issued by the state and controlled by a
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small number of cartels. Some people say it's an exaggeration to call it Soviet-style. Well,
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when I could be criminally charged for selling milk or owning over 300 chickens,
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what else could I compare it to? The quotas make a mess of the market, and some producers literally
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actually dump dairy products into the ditch, because if they overproduce and try to sell it,
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they'll have broken the law. The system really is that ridiculous and rigid. So now that we're
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seeing inflation spiking around the world due to a number of factors, how well is supply management
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doing in keeping our dairy price stable. It's totally failed. Not only are supply managed
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products rising in price, they're rising faster than any other food products. They should be the
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slowest to rise if we were supposed to believe those people who said this system is going to
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work for us. Food produced under the supply management system is more expensive than any
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other products. Supply management has accomplished the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do.
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Dairy and egg inflation prices are leading all other foods right now as prices are rising faster
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than we've seen since 1983. Milk is up 8%, cheese over 10%, butter 16%. And these products are
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essential ingredients in many other processed foods and restaurant dishes. So those prices are
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going to contribute to higher costs on everything you eat. The other aspect they like to talk about,
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well, how about protecting the family farm? Proponents of supply management have insisted
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for decades that small farms would be wiped out and we would be dominated by a small number of
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corporate farms if we don't maintain the supply management system? Well, in the 1970s, Canada had
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about 145,000 dairy producers. Today, we have less than 10,000 of them. Expensive dairy quotas
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ensured that only large corporations and operations were sustainable, and the family
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dairy operations fell by the wayside. Most of those massive dairy farms are in Quebec, of course,
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and that's a large factor in why conservative and liberal politicians alike are terrified of
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speaking out against this rotten system. The average Canadian dairy farm, by the way,
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nets $5 million a year. That's net, people, not gross. We aren't talking about the little mom
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and pop operations of yesteryear. Dairy farmers love to plead poverty, but the statistics just
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don't show it. While dairy producers around the world enjoy broad export markets and have
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flourishing small cottage producers who make creative products such as specialty cheeses
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and ice creams, Canada languishes with high prices, poor variety, and bans small producers
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from entering the market. We can't pretend it's impossible to get rid of this rotten system of
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government control either. New Zealand and Australia had systems just like ours, and they
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got rid of them. New Zealand's agricultural sector flourished when they got rid of supply management
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as new export opportunities appeared. Getting rid of the supply management system can't be done
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overnight. It's going to take some years, and current producers will have to be compensated
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for the quotas they're reliant upon. It can be done, though, and there's no better time to start
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down that road to deregulation than right now. Canadians have been ripped off by supply management
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to the tune of over $600 per year per family for decades.
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in order to protect a small number of corporate operations.
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to protect the archaic, inefficient supply management system in Canada.
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It doesn't protect us from worldwide price fluctuations.
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And it certainly doesn't do Canadian consumers any favors.
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Canada is one of the most vast and rich agricultural lands on earth.
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we should be one of the world's leading dairy producers and poultry and egg producers with a
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vast array of products and exporting around the world. Instead, we've limited product options,
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we have growing factory farm operations, and we're hardly touching our export potential. And that's
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all due to supply management. Beef, pork, grain, even mushroom producers operate without a supply
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management system. Why is it apparently impossible for dairy, egg, chicken, and turkey producers to
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do so? Are they really that incompetent? They can't compete in the world market? Then maybe
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time to flush them aside and let real producers get in there. We need to tackle inflation on many
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fronts. The world's heading into tough times, and we're not going to be immune from them.
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One of the most obvious and effective moves we could do to reduce the food cost burden among
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Canadian consumers would be to end our terrible supply management system. Now, if we only had
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some politicians with the balls to do it. That's what's got me going today as we watch the inflation
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numbers. Let's talk to our news editor, Dave Naylor, and see what else is going to get me
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worked up today. Hey, Dave, how's it going? Good, Corey. I'm sure I got lots of stuff to get you
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worked up. What have you got planned for Earth Day tomorrow? For Earth Day? I was thinking I was
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going to burn some packing peanuts in my fire pit out front. Yeah, that would work. Don't you have
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some trees to chop down? Well, there's always some, but you know, we'll see. I want to broaden
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my plans out and make a day of it. All right, good for you. Well, we've got a cornucopia of
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content already on the site uh this morning uh russia has just announced they have banned
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premier jason kenny from going there i'm sure his holiday plans are are now ruined but because of
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the uh the tough alberta stance that kenny has taken against the russian invasion of the ukraine
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has got him on the black ball list along with various other canadian politicians like
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trudeau and actually most mps are now banned from traveling to russia uh the buffalo project
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a sort of a western based group keeping their eye on things for policies affecting their west
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have done an early report card on the conservative leadership race uh pierre polyev is the only one
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that gets straight a's f's for a few of them and i think jean chere gets a d minus so not very good
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grades for for most of them at the moment and uh james top you remember he's the uh the canadian
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veteran former rcmp uh uh employee who was walking across canada to protest covet vaccines he has
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reached regina and met with a crowd of supporters there so our lee harding was down there for that
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and i got the story up already uh speaking of jean chariot he has announced some health care
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policies that will what he says will end the cycle of lockdowns caused by covid uh saskatchewan
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ndp is demanding the saskatchewan party try and do something on inflation in the province
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it jumped in a in just one month one full percentage point uh to 5.7 from 4.7 so
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inflation is starting to hit the people of saskatchewan hard and our christopher olcorn
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has a story on that. U.S. judge, remember last week, struck down the mask mandates for airlines
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and trains and whatnot. The Department of Justice in the States has appealed it. So that'll be
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heading back to court soon. There was some hope last night, Corey, that the unvaccinated amongst
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us would be able to go to the States starting today because they would have had to, or they
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of considering dropping their vaccine mandates on entry but it turns out it was a false hope the
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homeland security put out a statement around midnight saying that no you still have to be
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vaccinated to get into the us uh an edmonton lawyer has been named a new judge by the trudeau
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government and in fact he is a liberal donor as most judges who are appointed seem to be these days
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And Pierre Polyev in a press conference down in Toronto
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He says he's going to fire the gatekeepers at City Hall
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they would get like 10 grand or something like that.
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I was fortunate enough in Calgary when she visited to have a gin and tonic with her at a reception back in the 90s.
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And I think she's among the last of the, I think, still broadly respected and valued members of the royal family.
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As you said, I'm not a big monarchist, but I have respect for the Queen and do hope she stays in there as long as we can.
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Yeah, we've got some poll numbers coming out that show Canadians, once this Queen is gone, they're more than willing to get rid of the monarchy, which I personally think would be a shame, but we'll see.
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Yeah, well, as a side note, you know, I was on supply management and dairy and everything and the shooting costs of milk, and I know we've been experiencing problems here with that.
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There's been a milk bandit on the loose who has made off with your milk supply here.
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That shows, you know, when you take a commodity, make it expensive, you start getting crime involved.
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I brought in a container of milk brand new on Monday for my afternoon cups of tea and chocolate digestive biscuit.
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And I took a little bit, then I put it back in the fridge.
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And by the end of the day, you know, a good chunk of it was gone.
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So I was a bit worried there, and then I had a little bit more on Tuesday.
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But when I got there on Wednesday, it was all gone.
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The container and everything was gone, and I'd only had like two small cups of tea out of it.
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So there is a milk thief on the loose in the office, and I'm going to get the bastard.
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Well, I know you're on the hunt, but I'd just like to show those home examples of what happens when we shake up a commodity and create disorder and crime.
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So hopefully that comes to a peaceful resolution within the Western Standard offices eventually,
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You know, if somebody just wants to send me a note apologizing, we'll call it case closed.
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We're searching for the Dairy Bandit around here.
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Okay, so I'm going to go on to, and we're going to run right away with, as I said, I'm afraid I had
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to record it. We do everything live whenever possible. But in this case, we did have to record
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it because it's hard to get Andrew and Sheila and myself all available at the same time. So we had
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a great conversation about media control, independent media, what the federal government
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has been doing, stepping on us. And, you know, we're all kind of in the same boat. And I think
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if anything's going to make the establishment quiver, think about it. Outlets like the Rebel,
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like Western Standard, like True North, hey, we're all growing and we're working together.
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We're not unionizing, but we're together in solidarity. So let's run that. And I'll chat
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a little bit in the conversation box there while that's going. And then we'll come back and talk
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after that. Well, welcome to a special presentation and alliance of independent media outlets. We
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have Sheila Gunn-Reed from Rebel News and Andrew Lawton from True North along with me here with
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the Western Standard all in one spot at the same time. So good to see you all together at the same
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time, guys. Yeah, the Competition Bureau will be busting this up any minute now. Yeah, thanks for
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having us on the show yeah that might be the next thing is some sort of media antitrust but of
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course they'll start with the smaller players rather than come and get us that's the i believe
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the rebel mantra and we'll take it on as well yeah well that's it and it looks like they're
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they're trying to come and get us all but they i guess i'll just kind of start the discussion you
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know we've got the a world where the government is obsessed with controlling information and media i
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think we all kind of agree with that we've got a number of attacks on a number of fronts c18 c11
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but the most recent i mean where they are the ones the arbiters of who apparently is approved
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media or is real media and who isn't uh and they maybe i'll get sheila to explain that they've
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rejected rebel they don't consider you guys news not that you ever really asked their permission
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yeah that's the thing we don't generally ask their permission to do well anything um but let me first
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thank the both of you for your interest in our struggles with the qualified canadian journalism
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organization designation, because in the before times, in the olden times, I don't know,
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seven years ago, maybe, all the media landscape would be up in arms defending the free press. And
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that's not the case anymore. Even when I was assaulted at the legislature back in 2017,
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there was nearly unanimous support that people should probably keep their hands off of journalists.
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But I don't think if I were assaulted now that that would happen, that they would rally around us.
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So with regard to our denial of being designated as a qualified Canadian journalism organization, we are suing the government.
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The government had a bit of a witch trial for us.
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It took them a year where wherein they went through 276 of our news stories, which I think
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is kind of funny because many of those stories, we were probably highly critical of the government
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So they had to watch our criticism of them, which brings me a lot of joy.
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But 276 of our stories, which actually is quite a small number because we probably do
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that much journalism in a month, in a slow month even.
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And they decided that only 1% of what we do at Rebel News qualifies as journalism, which is odd to me because I primarily work in access to information, which is, you know, original source documents.
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We have teams live streaming. I think this is particularly noticeable during the truckers convoy.
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we're out there you know asking politicians questions interviewing protesters it's news
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it's just news the government doesn't agree with and so they've denied us this designation now
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is that going to change the work that we do yes and no i mean we don't ask the government
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permission to do our work but it will give them the ability to limit our attendance to press
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conferences um now that's not going to stop us from asking those same politicians questions if
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our journalists have to jump out from behind a potted plant in the lobby of a hotel fine but
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the politicians are not going to skirt accountability by keeping us out and it will also
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give social media giants and search engines the ability to downrank us um which makes it harder
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for people to find the work that we do and since we are on the internet that's it could spell a
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death sentence for us but it also and i think the one that is most atrocious to me is that
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our subscribers will not be treated equally and fairly under the income tax act because it will
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not allow our subscribers our paid subscribers at eight bucks a month i think that's a bargain by
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by the way, it won't give them the ability to write off their subscription to us because we
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don't have this designation, which I think is wholly unfair. It's punishing our paid subscribers
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for disagreeing with the government. And we live and breathe on our supporters.
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The only reason Rebel News exists is because time and time again, whenever we are faced with
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challenges like this, an army of people who sometimes disagree with us say, we need you to
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live on to provide a counterbalance to the mainstream media. Those people are now being
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punished because the government hates the work that we do at Rebel News. Yeah, and it's across
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the board. It's interesting that you brought up how the other media outlets, and again, I do
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remember them rallying back when you did get assaulted that time, and the silence now, but
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you see you've got mainstream outlets, legacy outlets that are beholden to this status, and
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they're a little less inclined to rock the boat, perhaps. Andrew, do you think there's a chilling
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effect? And has this impacted you guys at all at True Northman? Oh, very much so. And I know I've
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told this story to my own audience, but I'll share it with yours as well. Back in 2019, Sheila and I
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were covering for our respective outlets, the Global Conference for Media Freedom, which Canada
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was co-hosting in London, England with the United Kingdom government. And this is a media freedom
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conference christia freeland the foreign minister at the time was making this a bit of a pet project
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for her and she was having this press conference after having made herself available in in no fora
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to answer media questions and sheila and i both showed up dutifully for the press conference
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along with reporters from ctv and cbc and the globe and mail and al jazeera and oddly the room
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must have been a very weird one because it had room for all but two journalists and and i can
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and the two where it wasn't cbc that they didn't have room for well i mean i'm a big guy so maybe
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they didn't have room for me but sheila's not and they didn't have room for her either so i i take
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from that that there's a very clear judgment that the government is executing as far as you are not
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a journalist if we don't like your coverage and it has nothing to do with the inputs that sheila
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described earlier of filing access to information requests, attending press conferences, asking
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questions, writing stories. They don't like the outputs. They don't like the types of stories you
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cover. They don't like that. And the Media Freedom Conference incident was remarkable
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because of how brazen it was. And because it was so brazen, the great part of the story was that
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all of the other reporters threatened to boycott the press conference unless we were allowed in.
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And I don't know if that would have happened in Canada or even in the year since that happened.
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But it was a very, very marked display of solidarity.
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But you fast forward and in the 2019 election, Justin Trudeau would not let me cover his campaign.
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The Leaders Debates Commission banned Rebel and True North from attending the debate.
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We had to get a court order. Things got a little bit better last year when True North was allowed to cover the debate.
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But Rebel was still denied and had to sue and won and ultimately got to be there.
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So all of these things are showing that the government is not prepared to recognize what journalism is unless they happen to like the specific products of it.
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And I think that's the challenge here is that there is no license to be a journalist in Canada.
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In the UK, they have not a license, but they have this National Journalist Association card that is effectively serving as a license, where if you can't produce one of those, you won't be allowed into a lot of events.
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and in Canada press freedom has been benefited by not having anything like that in the past like
00:24:20.620
we're seeing the problems though because with the convoy especially on the last day
00:24:25.140
uh the Sunday whatever it was after the the protests had been broken up walking down the
00:24:31.080
street police were threatening to arrest people except if you were a journalist you were allowed
00:24:35.720
to stay there but then they'd say well prove you're a journalist and it's like well I mean
00:24:39.760
what do you want me to like how can I prove it I don't have a license I don't have a permit
00:24:43.060
One cop let me go through when he saw my verified Twitter profile. Another required a letter from my editor that I had to show him on my phone. Another just didn't let me pass at all. But this is the problem in Canada is that press freedom is so subjective and independent journalists in particular who don't have the approved opinions are the ones that bear the brunt of this.
00:25:05.480
Well, yeah, and I'm glad Sheila brought up, like we focused a lot of the standard on pointing out, you know, that is the subsidies in the bailouts and a lot of programs that a status would qualify for.
00:25:15.940
And, you know, we like to rub their noses in it and take pride and say we're not taking them even if we qualify.
00:25:20.020
But there's much, much more to it that people don't typically see.
00:25:23.480
I mean, this is their ways that they could throttle your access to events, to government functions, to areas where news is breaking, as Andrew said, you know, such as the protests.
00:25:40.480
we're all beholden to these social media giants.
00:25:44.200
I mean, we never would have been able to have the capital
00:25:46.800
to make freestanding broadcast units like the past
00:25:53.300
But if you get delisted or run afoul of Facebook
00:26:01.360
based on canada's uh qualified journalists they can really uh make you live or die
00:26:09.600
yeah and i would add that you know i've had issues in the past where i've been looking for my own
00:26:14.000
stories things that i know i've written and i'll google the story and i remember the headline i
00:26:19.280
remember the keywords i'll even google with uh tnc.news which is true north domain name and the
00:26:24.160
story doesn't come up or it comes up but it's buried beneath a bunch of a bunch of um unrelated
00:26:29.920
things and then i say okay well is am i the problem is the algorithm the problem is the
00:26:34.560
outlet the problem but but we know there's manipulation taking place and we know that
00:26:39.120
the big tech companies are in fact operating in a way that is not transparent and oftentimes at the
00:26:44.880
expense of of conservative leaning outlets yeah there's i've got a really great example of this
00:26:50.560
people can do this for themselves go on to youtube open up the youtube search and type rebel news
00:26:56.880
and you won't get a hit on a story that has millions of views that we've done you'll get
00:27:03.120
criticism of us first that has tens of thousands of views that's how they tweak these algorithms
00:27:10.880
to down list us and what this qcjo designation does is it basically codifies the requirement
00:27:20.000
to downlist us and to hide us from um people who want to see us and you know you couple this um
00:27:28.240
sort of down listing um that's going to be codified in in the designation along with bill c18
00:27:35.920
which is the online news act which is really the online shakedown act um that you know will require
00:27:44.080
payments from these social media giants to creators for linking to the content, people just
00:27:52.080
aren't going to link to you. That's what's going to happen. I mean, it's just censorship by another
00:27:58.020
way. It's really troublesome. I'm going to ask, I'll start with Andrew. It brought something to
00:28:04.760
mind just as we were talking, but it chafes on me as a libertarian. I kind of like the wild west
00:28:09.600
of how it is out there, but could this be solved by some sort of balanced actual licensing scheme?
00:28:17.060
I mean, something where maybe the applications, I don't like more licenses or regulations for
00:28:21.260
anything, so this is hard for me to say, but, you know, where it was just based on having a
00:28:25.100
registered company and having a formal location and just a couple of things, content aside,
00:28:31.020
but just a basis to say that you are media. Because, I mean, I do understand the police
00:28:34.020
are clearing a scene. They do need to know, are you just another protester or even instigator
00:28:38.900
who's pretending to media or are you real there could be some value in this we just don't want
00:28:43.780
the government to be the ones determining it yeah and and i understand it but i i would caution
00:28:49.220
people going down that road partially on on my libertarian grounds as well but but also because
00:28:54.740
we we just don't see this space being as crowded as people like to think and to go back to the
00:28:59.700
example i gave earlier of the liberals barring me in the 2019 campaign i was actually flying around
00:29:06.020
where the liberals were going trying to cover Justin Trudeau's press conferences. And one of
00:29:12.100
the excuses that was given to me by Justin Trudeau's press secretary was, well, we can't
00:29:17.100
just allow anyone who says their media to come in because then everyone's going to come. And I said,
00:29:21.660
look around. I'm the only one you're turning down. You don't have, you know, Bobby Joe, the blogger
00:29:26.960
flying to Vancouver to cover this campaign. You don't have random people that are showing up in
00:29:31.700
droves the people that are here are people that are journalists the only difference is you're
00:29:36.300
deciding based on not liking my coverage that I don't fit that bill when at other events they
00:29:41.240
were letting in student journalists for example so I think generally speaking people tend to
00:29:46.380
overstate how much there is at the floodgates waiting if you were to open the floodgates I
00:29:51.400
don't think it is huge because doing good journalism as Sheila knows is costly I mean
00:29:56.260
theoretically you can do it sitting from your computer but to do the bootstraps journalism
00:30:00.000
on the ground, to take the time to do the investigative journalism, it comes with a
00:30:05.100
cost. And a lot of companies and a lot of individuals aren't doing that. So I think that
00:30:09.760
any effort to define or regulate in any way is really a solution in search of a problem. And
00:30:17.020
I think that when you talk about the implications of it, government censorship and regulation are
00:30:23.900
bad. Big tech problems are very much a force. It's government empowering big tech that creates
00:30:31.200
a new category of problem that removes the government accountability, but has still the
00:30:37.260
force of law. And we see this with censorship. I mean, the only thing worse than Facebook or
00:30:41.160
Twitter censoring is doing it because they've been deputized by the government. And I think
00:30:45.200
that's the inevitable byproduct of any sort of licensing regime is it basically makes all these
00:30:50.080
tech companies web hosts domain registrars state enforcers you know i just want to add to andrew's
00:30:56.460
comment because you know i really think the answer to this like both of you are pointing out it's not
00:31:02.240
more government it's not more regulation it's exactly what we're doing here today um it's the
00:31:07.160
independent press gallery is a counterbalance to the parliamentary press gallery um and andrew's
00:31:13.880
right when he points out that journalism really is a sunset industry um Corey you'll know this
00:31:20.920
if you are not a journalist in Alberta that is working for either Rebel News or Western Standard
00:31:28.020
or True North then you work for Post Media it's really a media monopoly here and when we applied
00:31:36.640
for access to the Alberta legislature press gallery, the competitors, our competitors
00:31:43.280
at Post Media basically held a witch trial for myself and Kian Bextie. They got together and
00:31:50.500
without us presenting arguments or saying, hey, we're not as bad as you have cooked up in your
00:31:56.080
mind that we are. They did a secret vote and wouldn't let us in. So, you know, the answer is
00:32:03.820
not giving the power to censor to the government. And it's not giving the power to censor also to
00:32:11.740
a guild of your competitors, which is what happened to us at the legislature in Alberta.
00:32:17.560
But it also was how the government passed the buck off to blocking us from the debates. They
00:32:23.260
said, oh, you know, it's put together by the Debates Commission. You can't get access to the
00:32:27.760
Parliament because the PPG is in charge of that. Well, the PPG is a bunch of bailout journalists
00:32:32.980
reliant on the government for their survival. So naturally, they're going to do whatever the
00:32:36.880
government wants them to do. I'm with you when you say it must be the wild, wild west. And
00:32:44.080
competition will weed out those who cannot survive by doing good journalism. They'll just
00:32:50.080
go by the wayside. It is expensive. And if you can't do journalism, you'll just go on and do
00:32:55.660
other things. It's the free market at work. The answer is not giving control over what you do
00:33:01.920
to either the government or the people who you exist as a counterbalance to.
00:33:08.820
Yeah, well, and as Andrew pointed out, I guess it's a solution looking for a problem. I mean,
00:33:12.480
if we did see media events overwhelmed by a number of self-styled independent journalists,
00:33:18.300
which are still fine, but if it's becoming that large a queue going on, then perhaps address it
00:33:22.300
at that time. But until if and when that happens, because you pointed out the pitfalls of having
00:33:27.460
an organization or an industry type of regulation as well. Again, especially the whole thing comes
00:33:33.820
down to that qualified Canadian journalism thing that makes them beholden. They don't want to rock
00:33:37.220
the boat. Even if you're within media and they might be sympathetic to the independent outlets,
00:33:42.380
they're not going to feel inclined to be nice to them. I hate to say it.
00:33:47.680
No, and I'm not a fan of big tech companies at all. I think there are a lot of issues there
00:33:52.840
that need to be dealt with but the qcjo and the bill c18 uh provisions make me believe it or not
00:34:00.260
sympathetic to the facebooks and the googles and the twitters because yeah uh c18 in particular
00:34:04.420
part of me is that it's a miracle but yeah i know the enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy is
00:34:11.540
eventually in a loose acquaintance i think but uh what happens is the companies the tech companies
00:34:21.160
these media companies that are government approved
00:34:24.740
And by link to, I don't even mean they had to do it.
00:34:28.520
Like if the Toronto Star sets up a Facebook page
00:34:34.680
Facebook needs to pay the Toronto Star somehow.
00:34:40.320
The Toronto Star is somehow being exploited by Facebook.
00:34:46.760
that lets people search for things will now have to pay for the privilege of including something
00:34:52.320
in its search. These outlets want eyes on them. These outlets are using social media. So
00:34:57.420
why have we decided, why has the government decided that these companies, which by the way,
00:35:02.500
do not need news sites. I forget the exact number, but I think like news makes up less than 10% of
00:35:09.700
Facebook's business. If I recall from the Australia case where this happened, like they, they need
00:35:15.040
memes and cat videos and influencers and people saying what they had for dinner that day they
00:35:20.780
don't need the toronto star they don't need cbc they don't need ctv so the fact that these companies
00:35:25.860
owe anything to so to the news industry in canada is absolutely laughable yeah and i had uh was it
00:35:33.380
peter menzies on a little while back talking about that and he was with the crtc and he was a
00:35:37.840
publisher and he's just horrified with where it's going he called it a shakedown that was the term
00:35:42.260
is. They're shaking down the social media giants with this. I mean, you're forced providers in a
00:35:47.540
sense, and that's not going to make the environment any more healthy. I listened to an interesting
00:35:52.460
podcast on Canada land, which ideologically is quite different than myself, but I respect them
00:35:56.540
as another independent outlet. And they're certainly never afraid of being critical of
00:35:59.940
the government either. And they spoke to one of the people on that committee for it. And it was
00:36:04.160
just so clear on how arbitrary the closed doors decisions were on who is going to qualify and who
00:36:09.320
isn't as well. So I mean, there are independent media outlets that understand this on any side
00:36:15.480
of the political spectrum. But how do you think we can push back against this? I mean, we saw
00:36:18.860
the conservative, a conservative government, I hate to say it will be just as happy to shut down
00:36:23.300
critical media as a liberal one, if given the chance, that's just their nature. So I'll start
00:36:28.700
with Sheila, like, what could we do, though? How can we fight this? You guys are going to court.
00:36:32.420
Are there other ways we can push back? Well, I think for us, the most important thing is to get
00:36:36.580
this in front of a judge again. Every time that we drag the liberals in front of a judge,
00:36:41.840
particularly on free press issues, we continue to win. So this will be, I'm predicting our third
00:36:48.240
victory. Because as you rightly point out, it's so arbitrary. How do we meet requirements when we
00:36:54.260
don't know what truly what the requirements are? I mean, the idea that some government censor
00:36:59.780
was making, you know, $120,000 a year plus benefits to go through 276 of our stories,
00:37:06.740
which is just a light smattering of the work we do, to decide that none of it was news,
00:37:12.900
only 1% of it was news, I probably get 10% of my story stolen by the mainstream media.
00:37:18.960
So how do they say that it's just 1%? But for us, you know, you know, Ezra Levant,
00:37:26.260
release the lawyers for us that's the best way um and but we are taking on the government with
00:37:33.380
the deepest pockets in the land they have all the money in the world to fight our little independent
00:37:38.580
news agency they just keep rounding up lawyers and lawyers um but you know uh like i said off
00:37:45.300
the top of the show we live and breathe on our supporters and we have this army of people out
00:37:52.580
there who just come through time and time again who want us to live on and want us to fight the
00:37:58.020
government another day and and uh tell the other side of the story so we're just so grateful for
00:38:02.740
that but it's also things like this where you know we we are i guess competitors in the same space
00:38:09.860
but i think a rising tide floats all boats um and it's not like the united states where there's
00:38:15.700
this overwhelming saturation of conservative media it's really just us in canada that's doing
00:38:23.620
you know source original source journalism and um we have to stick up for each other and i think we
00:38:29.300
do so yeah likewise andrew like you know the tools or things you have in mind that we could
00:38:34.580
do to push back is this trend i mean isn't like anything else with government uh once you let it
00:38:38.820
go it's a lot harder to undo i mean we're still in the early stages we might be able to head this off
00:38:43.380
yet yeah and i think there certainly needs to be court challenges on this i mean true north has
00:38:49.700
never had the legal war chest that rebel has had and we also haven't had as many need as much of
00:38:56.180
a need in a lot of cases to to unleash the lawyers but when we were banned from the leaders debates
00:39:00.660
commission we felt this was something that could not be allowed to stand and we fought it and we
00:39:05.060
ended up being accredited in in 2021 and while rebel wasn't i i think perhaps at the next election
00:39:09.940
maybe they'll have learned their lesson but i i think that there are two aspects of this one is
00:39:15.060
that individual people who are hearing this need to support independent media with not just your
00:39:20.580
clicks and your shares and your views which are important but also with your money i mean one
00:39:24.660
thing that even these social media companies with their algorithms are very responsive to
00:39:28.900
is advertising and and we've had sometimes things that we've promoted and put advertising behind
00:39:33.860
uh we are on the ground and i get so many people coming out who have even at the convoy that it's
00:39:38.900
you know they'd say oh where are you from and i'd say true north and they'd say oh i love true north
00:39:42.020
or they'd say oh what's that i haven't heard of it and then they'd subscribe so being on the
00:39:46.100
ground and covering things is one of the greatest ways of being an ambassador for independent media
00:39:50.900
in general because people see that we're actually doing work and and the cbc reporters that are
00:39:55.940
cowering in their offices on spark street writing about the convoy through their windows versus
00:40:01.220
people like me and my colleagues that are out there from different outlets interviewing people
00:40:05.220
and showcasing that so but we can only do that with people that support us and and when i say
00:40:10.420
that i i don't mean give us ten thousand dollars if you want to please but give us five dollars
00:40:15.020
give it give us two dollars buy it buy us a cup of coffee i mean that that's the the sort of thing
00:40:19.700
we're doing so i i think that ultimately the audience will be the deciding factor and the
00:40:24.680
audience is the the one trump card that we have because our audience is growing the mainstream
00:40:29.460
media audience is not and and that's going to be the great equalizer but we're going to be up
00:40:34.060
against more and more resistance through policies like the ones we've been talking about.
00:40:38.040
Well, and sorry to drag this on a little bit, but we must remember that our audiences are
00:40:43.160
experiencing much the same censorship that we as conservative news outlets are too. They are also
00:40:49.420
being deplatformed, kicked off social media, having their posts hidden from others, being told that
00:40:57.160
they are harmful or harassing. So they really do understand what we're going through. And for
00:41:04.460
us at Rebel News, it's so often because we advocate for those normal people out there.
00:41:10.840
But another way that people can fight back is, I don't know if you guys have heard, but there's
00:41:14.940
this conservative leadership campaign happening right now. I think it's important to put the
00:41:21.520
leadership candidates to the test. It's not enough to do the popular, easy, conservative
00:41:29.020
thing of saying, oh, I'm going to defund the CBC. Okay, great. Thank you. That's 1.5 billion bucks
00:41:35.180
a year. Thank you. Appreciate that. We shouldn't have to pay for people who, I almost knocked over
00:41:40.740
my microphone, people who hate conservatives. We shouldn't have to pay for that. They're free
00:41:45.800
to say it. I don't want to have to pay for it. That's great. But what are you going to do about
00:41:50.360
Bill C-11, the digital charter? What are you going to do about C-18? What are you going to do about
00:41:55.100
the media bailout, the CBC-ification of the rest of the media? What are you going to do about that?
00:42:00.980
What are you going to do about the Online Streaming Act, where they have left the door wide open
00:42:05.500
for regulation of video games, because the government said they play on the same screen?
00:42:12.460
That is literally the logic they used. I saw it in a document. Press the conservative leadership
00:42:18.280
hopefuls on that because they're not going to get pressed by it or on it by the mainstream media
00:42:26.880
who are advocating for these laws, but advocating for them to be done quicker and harsher.
00:42:33.400
I think that's another thing that normal people can do is start hammering your candidates on this
00:42:39.160
stuff. If I could jump on that as well. One thing I would say, even structurally, conservative
00:42:44.860
of politicians need to do a better job at working with independent media and not just during
00:42:49.640
leadership races. You know, I will say in 2020, Aaron O'Toole had in his leadership platform
00:42:55.380
that he would ensure independent press gallery members had equal standing on Parliament Hill
00:43:00.260
to parliamentary press gallery members, which, and this was something that came out not long
00:43:04.460
after the IPG was formed. It was great. He never won. So we never got to see if he would have
00:43:09.040
fulfilled that promise. But I can say once Aaron O'Toole was leader, it became pretty much impossible
00:43:25.200
Premier Jason Kenney has always come on my show
00:43:43.980
it's to the globe and mail it's to ctv so so they still view the mainstream media as being their
00:43:51.580
conduit to an audience and if it's a big enough story as sheila knows the mainstream media will
00:43:55.820
steal our coverage anyway so let us break it first but that's a big thing conservative
00:44:00.460
politicians and the conservative party need to start owning up to it i mean you guys know that
00:44:05.740
the mainstream media is going to burn you every single time we aren't going to be sycophants
00:44:10.540
we'll give you a fair shake but start leading by example yeah well that puts you know it's a good
00:44:17.340
way to close off because it puts some of the onus on ourselves as long as we make ourselves
00:44:21.180
too big to fail uh we give you know too much if we're drawing too much audience as far as it's
00:44:26.300
concerned for the others they can't shut us out they can't avoid us and uh you know we have to
00:44:31.500
if we're putting a good product we're we're going to keep getting those subscribers and uh we got
00:44:35.100
to keep reminding people that self-serving plug sign up for all of them so maybe we'll close up
00:44:40.060
just to remind everybody where your shows are guys uh so you sheila so people know where to
00:44:43.740
go to find good independent media sure um majority of our content is available for free if you want
00:44:49.500
to see the uncensored version might i suggest not going anywhere near youtube and over to rumble
00:44:55.660
um because there are many things that we cannot publish on youtube but if you want to support our
00:44:59.500
independent journalism you can do that at rebelnewsplus.com that's our paywalled subscription
00:45:06.860
service and we've added two new shows there and we didn't up the price so that's us helping your
00:45:11.900
family fight inflation and if you'd like to help in our legal battle against uh trudeau for denying
00:45:17.900
us our journalism license ostensibly you can go to we are suing.ca because we are in for truly the
00:45:26.140
fight of our lives right on and andrew so true north coverage is all at tnc.news you can subscribe
00:45:34.540
on Facebook and Twitter and Rumble and all of these other platforms. And then I also do my
00:45:39.280
newsletter, which is over at andrewlawton.substack.com. Right on. And we are, of course, at the
00:45:45.800
westernstandardonline.com. And we're on all those social media majors as well. So I appreciate you
00:45:51.780
guys, you know, responding and us getting together. I'm sure viewers appreciate seeing the independent
00:45:56.500
media outlets, you know, again, showing some, that term that Sheila used earlier that I still
00:46:00.700
mixed on is solidarity and camaraderie. Let's call it camaraderie. That's how we can make sure
00:46:06.560
we just keep that unfettered information getting out there. Thanks. Thank you.
00:46:18.760
Okay. As per Sheila there, we showed some independent media camaraderie there. And I
00:46:24.100
think we do need to stick together. You know, we compete with each other. We're trying to get
00:46:28.100
subscribers. And don't forget, there's nothing to stop any of you from subscribing to more than one
00:46:32.240
of them. So I mean, there's great content coming from the rebel coming from true north. And the
00:46:37.200
more we can get stronger is kind of like we said towards the end of the conversation, we become
00:46:41.360
too difficult to stop because as we discussed, the government wants to control they want to stop
00:46:46.080
they don't like having media out there reporting on things that they can't get a handle on and all
00:46:50.900
three of our outlets do that. And we're going to continue to do that. And it's ridiculous that the
00:46:56.500
government thinks that they're in some sort of position to say who is or who isn't an actual
00:47:01.120
media outlet. So it was a great conversation we had. And I hope we can get more of those going
00:47:06.440
in the future with all three of us together like that. We're all pushing for a common cause.
00:47:11.160
So next I'm going to have coming in studio and in person here, this will be live. So we've gone
00:47:15.420
from, you know, my recorded one to a live person in studio. And this was a Conservative Party of
00:47:20.300
Canada declared candidate, Elizabeth Clare Lewis,
00:47:25.900
So I'm afraid Elizabeth didn't make it into the mix,
00:47:28.040
but there's still plenty of federal issues to talk about.
00:47:46.960
Yeah, so the one of the big reasons that I think that I wanted to enter this conversation with the Conservative Party was to really have some good dialogue about medical freedoms and the problems in our medical system and what we can do to fix them.
00:48:05.460
So, one of the things that I was looking at doing is creating a pilot program that would allow, first of all, to help educate the public about how to read a basic blood work page, because that's what mostly you get done, and to take away some of the controls from the doctors and give them back to people.
00:48:26.740
So those controls, for example, would be being able to order your own blood work.
00:48:31.120
It would save actually up to about 40% of the physician costs that are incurred if you were just able to start at the beginning, order your blood work, and then go to the doctor for a prescription.
00:48:44.480
or even better to if there's if it's something simple like a bacterial infection you could just
00:48:51.480
be able to get a direct prescription from a lab directly to your pharmacy and then you would save
00:48:58.960
two doctor visits that would be eighty dollars you'd save in just that one transaction per
00:49:03.800
patient. So the other thing that's really important about that is that it gives you the
00:49:09.640
the ability to kind of pump your own gas. And I think there's a lot of people that do not like
00:49:15.040
being over-nannied. And so that helps in that situation. It helps people take control of their
00:49:21.380
health and their health choices. The other thing about it that I was looking is making sure you
00:49:27.000
have checks and balances in the medical and social systems so that you don't have a problem
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where you have an overbearing doctor who has decided something for you. Mental health diagnoses
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are a great example of that. Because most of them are done by exclusion. But the problem is the
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doctors don't exclude all the stuff. So it would really be, for me, the really important thing was
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fixing the standards in medical care so that some of the disasters that happened to me
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would never happen to somebody else. And I had somebody misdiagnose a stroke for something else
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and that was scary. The other thing was the same situation with social services,
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because I think a lot of times things get out of control with people because we don't have
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a system where people can speak up at the beginning and have an almost a legal transaction
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where they're able to say you know where there's a due process in that and people lose their kids
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and people have you know these times where the government overreach that has been going on for
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years these are places where it can be stopped so that's those are a couple things um for me
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the cbc is something that i think should stay but i think we need to look at it in terms of
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representation so um since 30 of the population is conservative 30 of the airtime should represent
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conservative speakers um and you know and that way you have a much more equal conversation and
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the last thing that i was going to talk about is taxes and so one of the ideas that i had for taxes
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and questions i had about taxes was why is it that if the government can if if an employer can only
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um make you work for 40 hours a week why is it that for all the immigrants and people that have
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to work two jobs why is it the government can tax you on more than 40 hours and that can add up to
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a lot. So for example, that overtime work that a 20-something an hour employee does adds up to
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about 35 days that he could have been spending with his family that he's given to the government
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for free because he needed to work longer than 40 hours. So those are a few of the points I was
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looking at. So the race is ongoing at this point, as I said, unfortunately, you didn't make the bar
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for entry. Are you still participating with the party though? I mean, are you going to
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get involved with another campaign or are you undecided at this point? The issues carry on.
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Um, I, um, I'm, I'm also, I'm also a board member for UCP. So, um, yeah,
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um, so I'd look at that and I, and there's always a possibility of running down the road,
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either here or in the States. I have an American green card. So, but, and, and also it's, it's also
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kind of, I'm kind of involved with writing to some of the MLAs and MPs about some of the other issues
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that I have. One was talking with Whitney Isaac the other day about women's safety and, and getting
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proper medical post-rape care. So that's kind of a big, heavy topic.
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Well, I mean, you're interested in a broad spectrum of political things, and you're headed
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for the federal leadership, so you're still involved provincially, as you said, because
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a lot of the things you're talking about would fall under provincial jurisdiction,
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healthcare reforms, things like that. What if, I mean, the blood work sounds interesting,
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for example, but then what's the control to keep somebody from abusing it? Is it, we've got,
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you know, we have to admit some hypochondriacs out there and say, I want to get my blood tested
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every couple of days, because I'm just worried that every day I've got something going on.
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The oversight of a physician is as much as it's expensive and can be problematic is also it does
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serve a purpose. Well, that's actually pretty quick, pretty easy. We, for example, if you see
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somebody going and asking for things where there's no, what is it, where there's nothing where the
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blood work is fine you can you can put a stop on that you can say you know digitally basically and
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say you know fella you know you know you've had five tests that have all shown that everything
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is clear and you know this is this is where we um we stop it and the same the converse can happen
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when there's a problem with a patient and you know one of the big problems that we had in bc
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and is the fact that one, Vancouver, I don't know if you know this, but Vancouver General Hospital
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is a grade D hospital. That's lowest you can get. That's their biggest hospital system,
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Vancouver Coastal Health. And so the comparison between kind of conservative health care
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and liberal health care is massive. Alberta, for example, has 11 A and A plus hospitals.
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I mean, that's the best in the West. And compare that to BC that has none. And compare that to BC where there's a problem when patients go in and they have clear, you know, they'll have like a white count of like 15.9 and they don't get medical attention.
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In fact, there was a young girl that died there about a year ago, I don't know if you remember the story, who had gone in with a small cyst that was a staph infestation.
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She asked the doctor to check it, went into Lionsgate Hospital five times, and it wasn't checked.
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So one of the things that we really need to do in terms of the checks and balances is dealing with these issues of soft denial of services.
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so that when you see a case like that, that it could automatically flag
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and you could get in a doctor who knows what they're doing.
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And so that would, the protection can work on both sides of that.
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Yeah, well, and part of our problem is, I mean, we've got some fantastic professionals.
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Once somebody gets in, the problem is we have massive waiting lists to get in,
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whether it was in the emergency room itself or at a walk-in clinic
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because as much as we'd like to, you know, get people in faster, the resources are kind of
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stretched to the maximum right now. Well, one of the things that you could do with things is
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educate the public a little more so that there's a part of it that they can take care of themselves.
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You know, anyone should be able to take care of a urinary tract infection just by going
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to the lab, having a quick test, and it's going to show what it is. You don't even need,
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you can be doctorless there and then all of a sudden that frees up all of that doctor time
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for patients that really need it elderly patients people that have difficulty communicating
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people who um you know that that have uh you know maybe you know mental challenges that that make
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it hard but there's a there's a heck of a lot that we could actually take into our own hands
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because it's not it's really high school level science there's a huge part of it that is high
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school level science and that's where it should be taught rather than some of the more peculiar
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ideas that are being taught today so what about expanding abilities for pharmacists i mean they're
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medical professionals as well and i know there's been some work towards that to try and say well
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we can allow them to prescribe for certain things i mean you don't want to have them
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prescribing for something that needs some medical testing to be sure of and things like that but
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i know there's been issues with people who need regular medications they need the same medication
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the same amount month after month they can't get more than a month at a time and they have to keep
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going to the doctor to get a new prescription i mean you want periodic checks of course but uh
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it seems that we keep sending people into these doctors over and over we don't necessarily need
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to no we don't and it is certainly i mean in bc they do have the possibility of doing a three-month
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prescriptions for for most of the for most things um i know my insulin was like that um
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and also there's also another thing that that can be that should be considered about it
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is that there's a lot of diseases that have you know that have like if you have a cancer patient
00:57:55.760
they're also going to automatically need things like antifungal drugs and you know and and easier
00:58:02.080
access to antibiotics because they're higher risk and so if you if you carte blanche do something
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like approve it then you don't have to to jump through the same hoops because then you have a
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and more focused care for that particular patient class.
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the same thing with patients that have recurring UTIs,
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So outside of health and some of the communications,
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So one was looking at revising some of the taxes,
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because the thing about the taxes is it's an interesting thing,
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but the Liberals kind of wrote it for themselves.
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and you know so it benefits them and one of the things that i was looking at and really wanting
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to talk about is a gradient tax system where it's almost like you're able to say you're at you know
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grade one two three four you know and you know and and look at really trying to get people from
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one level to the next in a secure way and so one of the things that i really think is important
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especially for low-income disabled people is for them to be able to purchase their own house not
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to be stuck in a sometimes dangerous government housing and it makes a big difference in your
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stability because and I'll use again the BC example which I have seen happen many times
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with the mentally ill and with people who have intermittent illnesses is that they will go and
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they'll be in their apartment for a few years and then they have perhaps some sort of you know
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incident maybe it was pot related maybe it was just you know a bipolar um you know thing or
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you know or something uh happens in their lives and they end up in one of these hospitals for
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they'll call it a long-term stay so it could be more than two weeks but what winds up happening
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in that situation is the government no longer pays on the apartment they lose the apartment
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and they go back into the system and it contributes to this that you want to understand the cycle of
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homelessness in Canada, especially in places like BC, it's these terrible liberal NDP policies
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that don't build on stability. So that's a big one for me. And the other thing, it was funny
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listening to, was it Daniel Smith yesterday talking about the inflation issues, is you can
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actually, if you think about it, you know, that we have the gold standard, it's actually on housing
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that the hyperinflation started. And it started in places like Vancouver, where you've got
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what is essentially a $40,000 house selling for like over a million dollars. You know,
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when people come up from the States, they laugh like crazy about this, you know,
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if you've ever had it, and I have, and I tell them that's a million dollar house and they just
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lose it. But it's, you know, and you understand it because it's the only warm place in Canada,
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sure um that that definitely makes it make sense but the fact is is that if you want stability in
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a nation you have to make you have to provide some laws to create stability in the housing prices to
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prevent the flipping because that's where the hyperinflation comes from and then are in a lot
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of ways housing is our goal it is the thing that our you know the the commodity that drives other
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prices because if you can't afford to live somewhere you you know housing is a very basic
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one and a big driver for inflation in general and that's been a big issue in the leadership race and
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it probably will be in the next election so uh i guess in closing though you're going to remain
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politically active you've got stuff on the go where can people find information on what you're
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you're doing these days and uh you know to follow up and uh sure uh sorry for cutting off i have
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two websites elizabeth claire lewis and that has the claire has an i in it dot com and the second
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one is conservativepounce.com which i was kind of looking at doing a little vlog like you guys are
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doing um and i have some silly merchandise making fun of trudeau and uh that you might have a laugh
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at well making fun of trudeau is something that's always very popular around here so i appreciate
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your throwing your hat in the ring and staying politically active. And, you know, that's how we
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get things done. It's from the bottom up. So thanks for coming in to talk to me today, Elizabeth, and
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we'll perhaps talk down the road. Cheers, thanks. Thank you.
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Okay, so moving on, that was, again, Elizabeth Clare Lewis. She was running for the Conservative
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Party of Canada, didn't get in quite in time to make the full run, but she's still quite active
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And that is the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.
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Those guys have been an excellent sponsor for us
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You know, they are an association of firearm owners.
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You can network with other people who enjoy firearms.
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They are constantly recategorizing, constantly pressing, looking for registries, things like
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that. It just never seems to stop. Well, if you don't stand up for yourself, if you don't push
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back, they will take it away. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. So get on, join these guys.
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They got court actions against the Liberals on this. Canadian Shooting Sports Association,
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their website is cssa-cila.org. And again, the easiest part is just to Google Canadian Shooting
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Sports Association. It says it all. Take out a membership with them, guys, so they can help
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you. Okay, so on with our busy news day. So as Dave was talking about, it was unfortunate. I saw
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this news story where it was still talking about social media was active with claims that the U.S.
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land borders are going to be open to unvaccinated Canadians as of Thursday night at midnight due to
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some restrictions expiring. Unfortunately, that turned out not to be true. Like, is this hang up?
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You know, talk about if we want to work towards economic recovery,
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getting back to normal, getting back to having a life again.
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One of the biggest things has got to be opening the bloody borders.
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And is the Americans as bad as the Canadians when it comes to this?
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In that there's no good evidence showing that this has been a big issue.
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I mean, there are no more infected down there than we are up here messing around.
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Vaccinations don't make a bloody difference and spread.
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I mean, again, we debate that, and that's fine.
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I do believe that, and I think people should voluntarily be able to take them up and utilize them.
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But I know as well as anybody, we see that it doesn't stop the spread.
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So what's the point of these bloody border mandates?
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And the governments are hung up on them, particularly Trudeau, of course.
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I think it's a point of pride with him almost now, but a little pride that guy should have.
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I don't know how long it's going to take until we get these bloody regulations down. They're
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hurting us, guys. They're hurting us a lot. Again, we talk about inflation. They pay lip service to
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why everything's costing so much. They talk about how people are having a hard time. One of the
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areas that they love talking about supply chains, a critical part of it's trucking in that still
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an area with a whole bunch of labor, a whole bunch of people on both sides of the border
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who can't bring those goods and services across. And look, certainly there's many who can. When you
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take a whole bunch out of the mix, you reduce the supply, you reduce the ability, and the prices go
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up. This isn't that complicated, or it shouldn't be. But the governments will not back down on
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that. I don't know what it takes. Speaking of governments that won't back down on anything,
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one of the things that started with my rent, as I said, there were no politicians with the courage
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It's just as healthy in the private market, guys.
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If your industry can't stand on its own two feet
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Sick to death of them, as a matter of fact.
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It's a bunch of crap, but they're very effective lobby.
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And they spend, they got hundreds of millions of dollars.
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is the dairy lobby. Every time. These guys are good at what they do. And we saw that with Maxime
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Bernier and O'Toole. Not O'Toole. Oh, man, I'm going back two races. Bernier, why am I forgetting
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the other guy who was in for a little while? He is forgettable. And he was the other conservative
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leader. He won by 1% by kissing the butts of the dairy lobby. And now, of course, conservatives are
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terrified of Andrew Scheer, of course. They're terrified of taking on that dairy lobby. And
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so even ones who claim to be conservative will not touch this rotten system. And again,
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think of how stupid it is. Literally, it's 300 or 400. I've looked it up with chickens that you can
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own. I know it's a number, but if you own 401 chickens and you don't have a quota, you'll go
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to jail. Yeah. Like technically anyways, and maybe you'll start with a fine and so on. But
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It's criminal to have more than 400 chickens without a quota,
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without this special permit from the government that they keep strangled.
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And nobody can make a living on anything less than a few thousand chickens.
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It doesn't mean you have to be a mega operation with hundreds of thousands of chickens,
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but you see these mid-range affordable ones cannot compete.
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We don't have a minimum amount of, you know, you don't have a quota on pigs.
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I'm just tired of the supply management fart catchers who keep making excuses for this broken system.
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And Canada's one of the last countries on the whole planet that still has it.
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And I've used that analogy, and I'll use it again for people who haven't heard it before.
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You know, Jane, my wife, grew up in Rockiford, Alberta, a small dairy operation, and her father
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had a quota to sell cream, only a certain amount of it, but cream, but he didn't have a quota for
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milk. So they would milk the cows, and this story is so common, and lots of people in rural communities
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can share it with you, and they know about it. Milk the cows, skim the cream, sell that, make some
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bucks for the family, use the milk as much as you can around the house. If you've got pigs, you'll
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feed it to the pigs. If you don't, you pour it in the ditch, because it's illegal to sell it. That's
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how stupid it is. And that's really what happens. So, I mean, I'm just tired of defending this.
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Like I said, Leslie Lewis wouldn't defend it. I had Sherey on, that's not surprising. He wouldn't,
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I say Lewis wouldn't speak out against the cartels. Sherey predictably wouldn't. And
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Polyev, unfortunately, I was surprised, but I guess I shouldn't be. He said he would keep the
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dairy cartels going as well, which is too bad. He's been fantastic on every other front, but
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nobody, nobody can pretend to be a free market conservative and support supply management. You
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can't, you're lying. You're lying. Supply management is the opposite of free market,
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the complete opposite, the complete opposite. So do you cherry pick on what you support? Are you,
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can you be part, you know, you can't, you can't be half pregnant guys. You either support free
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markets and you don't. If you support this crap, you don't support free markets. I'm not saying
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it's a reason to fully dismiss one candidate or another. You tend to choose the best of the bunch
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you can, but it's ridiculous that we can't have a proper discussion on this and just call it out
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for what it is. It's socialism at its ugliest, at its worst, it's Soviet style, and we need to get
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rid of it. One of the Conservative Party candidates did come out strongly against it, and that was
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Scott Aitchison. I haven't had him on yet. I hope I can get him. He's running for the leadership.
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he's one of the ones who has fully qualified and gone in. And he's the MP for Perry Sound,
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Muskoka, Ontario. And he called it out for what it is. It was so refreshing. He said he will kill
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farm quotas. What were his words? He said, longstanding dairy quotas are to blame for
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spiraling food costs. He's absolutely right. He called it a price fixing system. And that is what
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it is. I mean, you don't get to choose the price. Again, it's not a free market. A producer doesn't
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sell it to a distributor or a processor. And then, you know, they get to choose their prices.
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It's set by a cartel. They fixed the price. It's funny. This would be illegal in any other industry. Illegal if a bunch of industries got together and set that price. We know that does happen. When they get caught, they get spanked for it. But when it's supply management, suddenly it's not a problem. Again, an amazingly effective lobby. Pamela Jones-Kinney saying, could it be that Pierre might address it at some point if he became prime minister? I don't know. I hope so. I mean, I do.
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But, you know, it's kind of a deceptive way to have to go about things is to say that you'll
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preserve it for a while until you get in and then change your mind on it. I just prefer open,
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honest campaigning to say, call it out for what it is. I mean, I want it gone no matter who gets
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rid of it. But I mean, we get too much of that from the other side with people who campaign right
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and then swing left when they get in. So I don't think it's any more principled for somebody to
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campaign left and then swing right when they get in. And I tell you what, if you're supporting
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supply management, you're campaigning left, not just a little left, extreme left, because that's
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So again, Aitchison, at least with that issue alone,
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and I know it's not necessarily a deal breaker for people,
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And as a quote in him, he said in his campaign statement,
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for families struggling with their grocery bills.
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you know, some of them are at least speaking up. And that's one of them. Now, maybe we'll get some
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pressure going the other way. What's that? Cheryl Dawn saying we need a black market dairy and
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poultry. Well, I've talked about that. You know, when you do restrict things, I was joking with
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Dave about it. There really is one. There really is. Canada had the mafia involved in cheese
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smuggling. This sounds like something from the Beaverton or the Onion or one of those publications,
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but it's true. If you look it up, you Google it up. Canada cheese smuggling. There were actually
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organized criminals, organized crime, were smuggling cheese across the border to supply
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pizza restaurants in Ontario and Quebec. They got busted for it. That is what happens when you
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have government forcing, you know, restricting items and messing with the markets. You create
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a black market or a gray market and things happen. When cigarette taxes were way out of
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back in the early 90s, we had massive cigarette smuggling going on in Canada. It wasn't until
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the taxes were cut before that went down. So we literally have that. We also have it. There's
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another area that supply managed I didn't talk about. I don't care as much. We don't have it in
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the West, but still important as any. And that's maple syrup, actually. That's supply managed.
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Same thing. And we've had mafia and criminal enterprises involved in black market maple
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syrup. How Canadian do you get? I mean, it's comical and it's funny, but it's still,
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uh, it's, it's dark comedy. You know, we've actually got, we've screwed with our, uh, you
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know, production system so badly that we brought in black markets and mafia got involved. Uh,
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went ahead, AJ Galante on, not to say that he's involved with the mafia still, or his family is,
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I don't know, but you know, they know people who know people. I wonder if they've ever been
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involved in the, uh, dairy, uh, export to Canada market, but, uh, it's ridiculous. Uh, Denise
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Martin said there has to be HUD rates in Alberta to buy from. Most of their HUD rates who are
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producing large amounts of chicken, eggs, and dairy have quotas. They're in the system. So you
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can buy from them, but they're part of that corporate farming. In fact, they're a large part
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of it. The few that we have in the West, most of it's in Quebec, but out West, it's Hutterites who
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dominate it. Nothing against Hutterites. I have nothing at all against them, but they're in the
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supply management system. And if they don't have quotas and they're selling it off to the side,
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it's illegal. Bobby Poitierk saying you can purchase unpasteurized milk in Australia. And
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yeah, Australia had a supply management system. They got rid of it and they're doing fine. And
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I don't know, I don't understand the fixation with unpasteurized, but I have a total fixation
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with free choice. So if somebody wants to go out and drink unpasteurized milk, go for it. And if
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somebody wants to sell it to you, go for it. As far as I'm concerned, you should be able, I should
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be able to go and produce there where I live and buy my own dairy cow and put a little sign up on
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the side of the road and sell it. Hey, you can come by and suck it straight from the tee to my cow
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for five bucks a shot or whatever I want to make it,
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But whose place is it to say that I can't do it?
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But all the same, we need to open the markets up.
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where we could do that if we could just get to it.
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so let's see what else we got in the oh yes here's another one of the myths going on since
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I've ranted on that one enough but uh going back to the truckers convoy and the federal crisis you
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know in quotes marks I think Dave covered this there's a story in the western standard about
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that too and uh that's the grants remember the Ottawa businesses were suffering hardships because
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while the protest was there they they were you know getting pushed out of business and they
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weren't going to be able to make it and oh dear well you know whenever people actually ask businesses
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most of them said, no, it's not that big a deal. And also, of course, most of the businesses lost
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far, far, far more money due to pandemic restrictions than they ever would out of
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some protests in the area. They said, we're going to help these businesses. We're going
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to have a program. Of course, there's always a program where you can apply and we'll bail you
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out. We'll give you some money for this crisis. We'll give you some grants. Well, those grants
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are 40% lower than expected, apparently, because again, there weren't that many businesses who
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needed it. Some are still putting their hand out because they want money and they need it.
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but I mean so much for that crisis you know if it was that huge you'd think that they would
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probably be overwhelmed by people asking for it but businesses have pride they're capitalists and
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most of them yeah we're just going to carry on leave me alone so so much for the businesses you
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know there's 1900 of them who theoretically could have qualified for this and only 1200 applied even
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so I guess perhaps the convoy wasn't quite as damaging as we're told it would be there's a
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shockery. Well, welcome to the mainstream media. By the way, yeah, I was watching our mainstream
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media. It does get my ranting up quite a bit. I threw that out on a tweet. CTV, I don't know. I
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torture myself, but still I need some noise while I eat. I'm one of those people, if I hear somebody
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chewing, I want to strangle them. So whenever we dine, I make sure I've got some noise and CTV
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news provides noise, if nothing else. And I do like to see at least what's breaking on the news
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while it's going. And of course, one of their headline items was Uber and Lyft are getting rid
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of the masking requirements, you know, which is great. I mean, I've said it before, I like
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occasionally driving Uber. I'm licensed for it. I go out on Friday nights, make a few extra bucks,
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but most importantly of all, I get to meet a whole bunch of people outside of politics and
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I get a diverse point of view. It really helps me think. It's a great night. I look forward to it.
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And now not having to wear a mask while I do is great. But what does CTV do? Predictable as all
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get out. As soon as they tell that story, they go straight to this biologist, some guy I've never
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heard of, they probably had to search far and wide to find or say, this is a very dangerous
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development. This is very premature. This is going to put people at risk. You know, can they not once
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just say, pick somebody and say, hey, that's good. I like it. It's about time we lightened up. No,
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it's all doom and gloom. It doesn't matter where they go. They've got to find the negative spin to
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put on it. They do not want to celebrate anything open up. They just want to spread fear. I keep
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calling it what it is. It's panic porn because I think there's some people actually get off on
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being scared. The same ones who go to horror movies. Now the scariest thing you can watch
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is the bloody news. And the news is more than happy to indulge them. And they did it again
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last night. They got my vein pulsing again. Like, geez, guys, just celebrate something or try a
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little bit of balance, but you can write their script for them. Positive development, find an
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expert to say why it's negative. Sick to death of it. I can't wait for the legacy media to go down.
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So I got to thank you guys for keeping us competing with them. I'm going to speak to one
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with Bitcoin. And he's pointing out how digital currencies could be what will help us,
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you know, fix our economy or distance ourselves from it, or at least stop the spiral with
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with fiat currencies. But I mean, again, it's a complicated new world. It sounds strange, you know,
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I'm just going to wrap things up, I think, and we will talk about what I got tomorrow. I've got
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Colin Craig of Second Street, Oregon coming on. He's been on before. He's really good. Those guys
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do some good stuff. And what I like about them is they get a bunch of first-person stories. They
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get stories from people. Unlike CTV, who's always going to find somebody negative. Well, this is
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some negative stuff, perhaps, but they really want to get a mix. So they have a bunch of stories
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they're sharing from people who live through socialism. Yeah, we'll get real, unvarnished
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stories from people. You know, they're not exactly ones who are thrilled about what they had to
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endure. Because a lot of people, young people, I don't think they understand what really is entailed
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Colin and I are going to have a conversation about that tomorrow.
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As well, we're going to bring Dave Makachuk on.
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He's always a lively, fun character to have on here.
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not the least of which was one just on that thin blue line thing.
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It's still going on in police forces across the country.
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Right now, it's inflamed in Calgary, but it happens all over.
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And it all ties into that whole defund the police movement
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Plus, I'll rant on something new, and I'll interact with you guys.
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Oh, and Danielle Smith will be on at 9 a.m. again tomorrow morning.