Western Standard - Triggered： The denial has to end with the addiction epidemic

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Good morning. It's Wednesday, August 17th, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. This is our third

00:00:38.200 last episode and I'm Corey Morgan. This is our, well, as I said, it's the third last

00:00:44.220 episode, but it is a live one. We run every day from 1130 a.m. Mountain Standard until

00:00:48.460 about one o'clock. We interview folks. I rant a lot. We get some discussion and discourse

00:00:53.780 going back and forth between us. So again, guys, good to see you in there in the comments.

00:00:58.460 scroll. Make use of it. That's what it's about. Chat with each other. Chat with me. Send questions

00:01:03.400 to my guests. I'll try to get them through if I can, when I can. And again, though, let's just

00:01:09.120 try to remain somewhat polite and civil. Be nice to each other. We've got lots of time to rage.

00:01:13.640 Use Twitter for that. It's better for it. All right. Let's go through a couple of the daily

00:01:17.520 observances. What things are important today besides the news and stuff I'm going to be

00:01:20.540 ranting about? Oh, we've got balloon airmail day. Yeah, this one sounds odd. But I guess the very

00:01:26.700 first air mail ever sent was sent by Hot Air Balloon back in the 1850s. And it was a game

00:01:33.420 changer. Things, you know, when we're speeding up communications across a country through a new

00:01:38.920 means of technology, it's quite something. So people are celebrating that now. Of course,

00:01:43.760 email has pretty much wiped out the purpose of most letter mail now, as of cell phones. But we

00:01:48.520 can still look back on these developments and think they're cool. I don't know how you're

00:01:51.700 supposed to celebrate this one. Maybe tie a note onto a regular balloon, a helium balloon, let it

00:01:56.460 go. Might pollute things, might piss people off, but you can send a message. You know, the wind

00:02:01.060 usually predominantly blows east. So, I mean, if you want to send a little message to Trudeau and

00:02:04.620 Ottawa, maybe write a little something on that, tie it to a balloon and send it off. And with any

00:02:08.280 luck, it'll get over there and Prime Minister Twinkle Toes will get your first-hand account 0.58

00:02:12.660 on things. So, you know, when he gets back from his vacation, I think he just got back anyways.

00:02:16.460 It's also National Thrift Shop Day. This one's kind of interesting. You know,

00:02:20.960 thrift shops are getting really popular, actually. They're kind of trendy. I don't care for them. I

00:02:25.480 know every time i go into like value village it just smells like ass in there either way there 0.92

00:02:29.780 are good deals to be had lots of used clothing and i think it's kind of in now for people to get

00:02:34.080 classic or previously loved clothes and items and things like that of course not just clothing it

00:02:39.160 for thrift shops but today is the day to celebrate them and those who enjoy going out to them right

00:02:43.660 on and with tighter times to come what the hell get something out there and make more use of it

00:02:47.900 rather than it ending up in a landfill that's true conservationism that's true environmentalism

00:02:52.800 you know, reuse, recycle, be efficient with things, keep it from getting tossed out. Nothing

00:02:58.480 wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. Carbon taxes, yeah, they're just stupid. Using a thrift

00:03:02.720 shop, not necessarily so bad. All right. So I've got a panel on today. It's going to be a little

00:03:07.900 bit different. It's going to be one guest segment, but it's going to be a bit longer because I want

00:03:11.180 to wrap up. I've been covering a lot and talking about the Indian residential schools. I just feel

00:03:16.200 that discussion. I know people get tired of it almost, but it just hasn't been opened up enough.

00:03:21.060 People don't like talking about it.

00:03:22.680 They get shouted down for talking about it.

00:03:24.640 There's a lot of questions that need to be answered.

00:03:27.040 So I'm going to have Frances Whittowson coming on. 1.00

00:03:29.140 She was a professor at Mount Royal University, actually a tenured one, and they fired her.

00:03:34.060 And it's pretty tough to get fired as a tenured professor, or at least it used to be.

00:03:37.520 The purpose of tenure is actually to protect professors and allow them to make views that may or may not be controversial,

00:03:44.160 so they aren't afraid of investigating different things.

00:03:47.180 Well, she dared to critique BLM and dared to give a contrary view on Indian residential schools.

00:03:54.060 And that was it. They canned her. 0.93

00:03:56.580 As well, you're going to have Rod Clifton on. He's been on before.

00:03:59.120 He actually worked at residential schools.

00:04:01.180 He met his wife, a First Nations lady, actually, at a residential school.

00:04:05.700 And, you know, he's got some good firsthand accounts of how things were at them.

00:04:09.180 And as well, I'm going to have Brian Geisbrecht on.

00:04:11.480 He's been on a couple of times before.

00:04:13.260 he's a retired justice, and he's written a large number of articles. So we're going to have all

00:04:17.020 three at once and spend about a half hour talking about these things and just seeing if we can get

00:04:22.940 some more truth out there because there's a lot of BS flying around. All right, let's get on what

00:04:26.900 I'm ranting about today. So, I mean, as I drove to work this morning, I, again, torture myself

00:04:31.300 listening to talk radio and I listened to a news item excitedly announcing this initiative to have

00:04:36.300 trivia games played on one of Calgary's city buses to encourage people to ride. I thought I was

00:04:41.120 listening to a parody report, like something from The Onion or something. But no, I was wrong. It was

00:04:44.520 real. You see, since the pandemic began, ridership on Calgary's city transit has plummeted as

00:04:50.740 lockdowns were imposed and people began working from home. And now, despite the lockdowns and

00:04:55.240 work-from-home orders being rescinded for months, and Calgary's downtown is beginning to bustle

00:04:59.180 again due to the high energy prices, transit ridership is still flatlined at 60% of what it

00:05:03.800 was in 2020. People are refusing to use public transit unless they absolutely have to. City

00:05:10.040 authorities, though, they're pretending, I guess, that the issue is cost or boredom, because they've

00:05:15.120 been announcing initiatives such as cut-rate transit passes and cute karaoke and trivia games

00:05:20.980 on buses. Yeah, karaoke as well. And I say pretending because they damn now, well, know what

00:05:25.120 the problem is. City transit facilities and trains have been overwhelmed with out-of-control addicts 0.98

00:05:30.060 and riders don't feel safe. We've been reporting on this for years now, but unless there's been

00:05:35.460 something outstanding, such as a stabbing on an LRT platform, and they've been happening a lot,

00:05:39.680 actually. The city tends to act as if the problem isn't happening. Addicts set up shop and took over

00:05:45.500 Calgary's southern LRT stations. They literally were camping and out of control within those

00:05:50.120 facilities. Discarded needles and human feces were commonplace, and passengers had to run a gauntlet

00:05:55.380 through addicts in various states of impairment to try and get to the train to commute. In response

00:05:59.520 though, rather than try and maintain order in the stations, the city of Calgary just closed them to

00:06:03.120 the public. Paying passengers had to shiver on outdoor platforms looking at heated buildings

00:06:07.160 they paid for sitting up locked.

00:06:09.940 The addicts then moved on into roving into the parking lots,

00:06:12.940 and car break-ins, of course, exploded out there.

00:06:15.360 Yet the city apparently is mystified as to why people won't ride transit.

00:06:20.020 On downtown LRT platforms, if you haven't been downtown lately, guys,

00:06:23.020 you see it, the shelters are crowded with addicts,

00:06:24.740 openly consuming meth, heroin, and God knows what else.

00:06:27.940 Groups of addicts gather and huddle,

00:06:30.300 while others are aggressive and shouting and throwing things and kicking windows.

00:06:33.280 This is commonplace down here now.

00:06:35.040 Why on earth would anybody not want to ride on that?

00:06:37.920 You know, a little karaoke will fix it, right?

00:06:40.660 Likewise, due to addicts using public washrooms as shooting galleries,

00:06:44.240 the city simply closed the washrooms rather than deal with it.

00:06:47.080 After parking today, I did my usual walk through the underpass on 9th Avenue at 8th Street there.

00:06:52.100 Garbage and the smell of piss and the sites of discarded drug paraphernalia on the sidewalk and stairwells.

00:06:58.220 It's common. It's down there all the time.

00:07:00.860 The denialists, though, they say this is due to a lack of supervised consumption sites.

00:07:05.500 That spot's about a five-minute walk from a supervised consumption site.

00:07:09.040 How many dozens of these, hundreds of these, would we need then to keep addicts from shooting up all over the place?

00:07:13.460 They choose not to use those centers.

00:07:15.980 So let's quit denying it.

00:07:18.180 That's the denial factor.

00:07:19.280 We've got a problem here.

00:07:20.660 Another part of the denial is that addicts are harmless.

00:07:23.160 They are not.

00:07:24.280 The frequent stabbings, robberies, and vandalism in areas dominated by addicts pretty much puts lie to that.

00:07:30.380 My walkthrough brings me, my walk brings me past the Century Gardens Park.

00:07:34.760 That's the one that they renovated downtown recently.

00:07:37.940 Very nice waterfalls, benches.

00:07:39.760 They've also got permanently two security guards on there full-time walking around.

00:07:43.720 And even then, almost every park bench is loaded with attics in the morning, 1.00

00:07:46.300 most of them sleeping off the evening.

00:07:47.800 One even set up an elaborate little shelter, that's just today,

00:07:50.400 with a stolen patio umbrella.

00:07:52.060 I mean, come on, let's not pretend he bought it.

00:07:55.220 Denialists say these people are setting up in parks because they need homes. 0.99

00:07:59.680 Well, it's kind of true, but for the most part, it's bullshit. 0.99

00:08:02.680 We have plenty of shelter space. 0.99

00:08:05.120 They can't inhabit it because they're too out of control with their addictions.

00:08:08.440 For the same reason, of course, they're not in any condition to live in any kind of permanent home right now.

00:08:13.460 In California, the denialists have gotten so extreme,

00:08:16.640 Los Angeles City Council is looking at a law that would force hotels to take in addicts if they have any empty rooms.

00:08:22.820 They'd have to report daily to the city if they have any rooms available, and the city will place the addicts in there.

00:08:27.640 Now, anybody with common sense knows this would destroy the hotels and the rooms.

00:08:31.460 Guests and staff don't want to live or work in a homeless shelter full of addicts.

00:08:36.080 That's not what they signed up for.

00:08:37.240 Hotels are either going to close or be trashed if this legislation goes through.

00:08:40.660 So why would a city council do such a thing?

00:08:42.560 Because they're in denial.

00:08:44.140 They're perpetuating this myth that most of the homeless people

00:08:46.460 are just people who fell through the cracks and need a hand up.

00:08:49.660 Quit beating around the bush.

00:08:51.180 The vast majority of people we see on the street are addicts. 0.99

00:08:54.100 They're junkies. Let's just say it as it is. 0.98

00:08:55.960 I'm not saying we shouldn't have sympathy for the addicts.

00:08:58.780 They're people in dire straits and they need help and treatment.

00:09:01.880 We'll never solve the problem, though, until elected officials quit denying what it is.

00:09:06.800 Until we start seeing some policies and solutions being proposed based on the harsh realities of dealing with addicts,

00:09:11.780 we're going to continue to lose our public parks, washrooms, and transit as the epidemic overwhelms them all,

00:09:17.040 possibly even hotels if we follow California's league.

00:09:19.560 Quit sugarcoating things by saying terms like vulnerable people.

00:09:23.300 And quit pretending they just need a job or a home.

00:09:25.700 They need to get off the drugs somehow.

00:09:27.440 And this isn't an easy task by any means,

00:09:29.240 but it's right where we have to start

00:09:31.080 if we want to have any hope of improvement.

00:09:33.280 Step one to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

00:09:36.360 Karaoke on a bus won't be fun

00:09:38.320 as long as you're watching knife fights

00:09:39.960 between addicts during the ride.

00:09:41.840 Stop the denial, admit the problem, it's addicts.

00:09:45.580 Junkies, if you want to call it that.

00:09:47.320 Until you start facing that, nothing's going to get better.

00:09:50.300 All right, that's what's got me wound up today.

00:09:53.120 Let's bring in our news editor, Dave Naylor,

00:09:54.960 and see what he's wound up about today. Hey, Dave, how's it going?

00:09:57.780 It's going okay, Corey. Actually, I'm not wound up about anything.

00:10:01.200 You know, it's hump day. We're getting close to another glorious weekend. It's all good.

00:10:06.880 True enough. Well, I've got enough rage and ire for both of us.

00:10:10.540 Exactly. Hey, did you ever think if you worked for CTV, you'd have been fired long ago?

00:10:16.880 I'm certain I would have by now.

00:10:20.060 Unbelievable.

00:10:20.500 Unbelievable. Anyway, so we've got some interesting stuff on the website today, including the return of what appears to be the return of supersonic air travel group in the States has sold 20 of these type jets to American Airlines, and they hope to have them starting to be test flown by 2016.

00:10:42.020 They're going to fly at a distance of speed of Mach 7, which is a little bit less than the old Concorde, which went to Mach 2.01, I believe.

00:10:52.880 But you're going to be able to get from New York to London in just a little over three hours and cut the flight time down by a half.

00:11:04.400 So, yeah, bring it on, I say.

00:11:06.400 And our Dave Makachuk has got a look at that.

00:11:10.520 Big news in the States last night, Corey, with the ouster of Liz Cheney from her congressional seat in Wyoming.

00:11:19.200 She was one of the anti-Trumpers of the Republican Party, and she's been booted by Trump supporters.

00:11:26.480 So we have two columns on that, one by Arlinda Slobodian, another by David Creighton.

00:11:32.440 An Edmonton woman who was denied a transplant because of her vaccine status.

00:11:39.520 has filed an appeal to the courts so we've got a story on that border chamber of commerces on both

00:11:47.600 sides of the 49th parallel have written a letter to the feds demanding an end to the arrive cam

00:11:55.120 app which is obviously causing airport chaos all over good luck to them i don't

00:12:01.040 likely see the trudeau government changing on that one and our good old public works department are

00:12:06.880 still continuing to do uh to do business with with snc lavaland uh despite that company's uh

00:12:14.000 shall we say uh checkered uh past uh corey and everybody's favorite uh professor jordan peterson

00:12:21.200 we've got a new video from him uh he's urging the global elitist to get the hell out of our lives

00:12:27.040 and uh yeah good luck with uh with him on that one too so that's what we got at the moment corey

00:12:31.680 Another busy afternoon for us, so there'll be stories going up all through the day.

00:12:38.100 Right on.

00:12:38.840 Well, I appreciate the check-in on this third last show here,

00:12:43.320 and I'll let you get back to getting more of that news copy out there, Dave.

00:12:47.580 Thanks.

00:12:48.400 Now I'm depressed.

00:12:49.940 Ah, well, I know you started in a good mood.

00:12:52.200 I did my job and brought you down.

00:12:53.740 Indeed.

00:12:54.680 All right.

00:12:55.080 Thanks, Dave.

00:12:55.540 I'll talk to you after the show.

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00:14:53.720 Okay, let's go through.

00:14:54.740 My panel is still a few minutes away

00:14:56.460 before we get in there.

00:14:57.300 I'll talk about a few news items here

00:14:58.620 while we're at it.

00:14:59.320 This one's interesting

00:15:00.160 and we'll see if this expands.

00:15:02.040 And this ties into what I was talking about,

00:15:04.980 the importance of having independent news outlets.

00:15:07.180 So this story came out,

00:15:08.460 a 12-year-old schoolgirl,

00:15:09.840 it sounds like it was a family dispute.

00:15:11.720 The mother and the girl herself

00:15:13.560 did not want to get vaccinated.

00:15:14.660 The estranged father felt that she should be compelled

00:15:17.420 and forced to be vaccinated.

00:15:18.580 and it went all the way to the Ontario Superior Court.

00:15:22.120 And the judge ruled, no, this girl can choose for herself 0.51

00:15:25.740 whether or not she wants to get vaccinated.

00:15:27.460 You can't or shouldn't force her to be.

00:15:30.220 And his statement was kind of interesting in saying,

00:15:33.920 you know, the science relating to COVID-19 is developing

00:15:35.920 and the facts are changing.

00:15:38.160 Now, this shouldn't be controversial to say these things.

00:15:40.340 And I don't even want to go into whether, you know,

00:15:42.900 vaccination is good or bad or whatever.

00:15:44.620 The frightening thing is the discussion has been shut down.

00:15:46.960 I worry about talking about it on this show

00:15:48.520 because once you start saying those words, next thing you know, we suddenly get suspended from

00:15:52.200 YouTube again or things like that as the algorithms get us. You know, I'm not offering

00:15:55.360 advice one way or another on the vaccinations. We just need more critical discussion. This is

00:16:00.500 something new. This is, you know, something different to this pandemic. A lot more facts

00:16:05.920 are coming in. Things are changing. We certainly know a heck of a lot more about it today than we

00:16:09.860 did a year ago or two and a half years ago. And we should have those discussions. So having a

00:16:16.080 justice come forth, though, and say this and state that, I think is a big, good turning point. It's

00:16:21.840 showing that the discussion can even be open. I mean, I think six months ago, this discussion

00:16:26.980 wouldn't have happened that way. And it's, we're going to see a lot more court actions. I mean,

00:16:33.140 boy, the courts are going to be backed up with things over this, everything from the trucker's

00:16:37.400 convoy to bank account seizures, to vaccine mandates to lost jobs. Yeah, if you want job

00:16:43.320 security, getting in as a lawyer is certainly a way to do it. They're backed up enough as it is.

00:16:48.220 I mean, we've got Alberta, I don't know how long it takes to get something through the courts

00:16:51.740 nowadays. But it seems our legislators have dropped the ball. That's where we got to rely

00:16:55.640 on things to change and things to happen now is in our court system rather than through legislation.

00:17:02.700 And that's where we're going to keep going. Unfortunately, our justices are appointed by 0.90

00:17:06.700 the politicians in the first place. So I'm going to talk about a little something, you know,

00:17:11.300 anecdotal and firsthand before I bring my panel on too. I had to go up to northern Alberta last

00:17:16.940 weekend, and it was something for Jane. She was doing a thing in High Prairie, and I had six hours

00:17:22.660 to myself to wander around. So I went for a drive, and I went to the Gruard Mission. And what the

00:17:28.120 Gruard Mission is, it's up over north of between High Prairie and Slave Lake. It's a very old site,

00:17:33.880 very historical one. It's pretty cool. There's a school there. It's now, of course, a part of it's

00:17:39.200 almost connected to a native reserve, and a very large Catholic church. And next to that church,

00:17:45.800 I just, I like seeing things firsthand when I can, because that location made a bunch of news last

00:17:50.960 March. And just to the kind of the north and west of it, sure enough, yes, there is a great big

00:17:55.780 cemetery there. And in March, we had the headlines hitting, oh my Lord, oh my Lord, we've done GPR

00:18:02.900 over there, and we've discovered 169 possible burial sites. Yes, they found graves in a graveyard.

00:18:11.600 This is pretty profound, everybody. In fact, this cemetery, when you look it up, has been occupied

00:18:16.380 or utilized, I guess you should say, with what they know of since 1873. They were burying people

00:18:24.200 there before residential schools even exist. Now, the spot was a site of a residential facility in

00:18:31.440 school. But this presumptuousness, this lighting our hair on fire when we've discovered that some

00:18:38.180 unmarked graves in a graveyard were there, and I looked at the rhetoric coming out, of course,

00:18:43.180 from people saying, oh, it's more evidence of the mass murder, it's more evidence of the genocide,

00:18:47.240 and one grave is too many. Well, hang on. Hang on. What are you talking about? I mean, you didn't

00:18:52.360 even need GPR for some of these. You go to that cemetery, and you could see the lumps on the

00:18:56.240 ground. Yes, you knew somebody was buried there, and there was probably a wooden cross put in there

00:19:00.220 as long ago as possibly 150 years ago.

00:19:03.900 We have no idea why the person is interred there,

00:19:08.840 what led to that, how they passed away,

00:19:11.180 whether they were part of the residential school or not.

00:19:14.760 It didn't matter.

00:19:16.440 The headlines already took off with it

00:19:18.240 and the rumors started and the feelings were hurt

00:19:21.720 and the scars were reopened.

00:19:23.680 And of course, unsurprisingly,

00:19:25.520 the demands for compensation began.

00:19:28.920 We've got to be able to have a critical discussion on this whole snowballing issue with the Indian 1.00

00:19:34.780 residential schools that really blew up with that discovery of, you know, 200 and some anomalies

00:19:41.580 next to the Kamaloops Indian residential school site. And there's other ones in Alberta and

00:19:46.100 Saskatchewan. Now there's a good cottage industry of ground penetrating radar from people going

00:19:50.960 around in these areas, but it never should be forgotten. And nobody talks about that in the

00:19:58.120 that of all of these sites, of all these spots, of all these spots of making these reports,

00:20:02.020 not one has been exhumed, and not a single body has been at least confirmed and located,

00:20:09.000 nor has, if there was one, why the body was there, who it was. I mean, boy, we've got a narrative

00:20:14.680 that's taken off, and again, we're not allowed to talk about it. We're not supposed to be by some

00:20:17.760 people's measures, but we're going to talk about it. And I'm going to talk to a couple other, a few

00:20:21.180 other people on a panel who have talked about it. And I see two in the lobby so far. We have

00:20:26.040 Rod Clifton and Francis Widdowson, and I'm pretty sure Brian will be joining us soon. So let's

00:20:30.700 bring Rod and Francis in and start the discussion here, just to try and get some clarity on this

00:20:38.780 whole just ever unfolding issue. So thank you very much for joining me today, guys.

00:20:45.180 Thank you for having us.

00:20:47.500 So as I said, I hope Brian should be on to join us pretty soon. And I'll try, you know,

00:20:51.820 we typically have a one-on-one, but I wanted to do a panel today, and it was great that Jaime

00:20:56.580 reached out. Jaime's been on a number of times as well on this issue to get Ms. Whitteson on, 0.97

00:21:02.700 because you haven't been on the show before. Rod's been on at times, and you have a lot to

00:21:09.060 add on this, and you unfortunately, I guess, paid very dearly for daring to speak critically on this

00:21:14.140 issue. Can you kind of expand a bit on your history with this? Yes, so I was fired from

00:21:19.280 Mount Royal University in December 2021. It wasn't directly due to my comments about the

00:21:27.640 residential schools, but it was due to a climate where challenging certain ideas, which have come

00:21:36.020 to be known as wokeism, which is identity politics, which becomes totalitarian, was becoming more and

00:21:43.620 more difficult. And when I tried to talk about the residential schools, I got smeared as being

00:21:48.860 a residential school denialist. And one of my colleagues even said anyone who says that there

00:21:54.540 has been any benefits of the residential schools should be fired. There was also a motion in

00:22:01.260 General Faculty's Council, which is the governance body for the university, which passed a motion

00:22:07.900 saying that genocide had been perpetrated against the Indigenous population. And when I objected to

00:22:14.780 this and said what about people who would question that view and did not accept that view people said

00:22:20.380 well you can descend but what happened is that it was seen as being it was increasingly seen as being

00:22:25.980 an unacceptable viewpoint and a similar thing happened with uh the residential schools the

00:22:31.660 the ground pending penetrating radar discovery that happened in uh 2021 was our president put

00:22:39.180 out an announcement saying that the bodies of 215 children had been found and that all professors

00:22:46.220 should you know sort of aid residential school survivors in their grieving process so to try

00:22:51.980 to challenge that to ask questions about it ask critical questions and demand evidence was basically

00:22:59.260 increasingly seen as being unwelcome um at mount royal and mount royal is not very different from

00:23:05.500 other universities across Canada. No, we're seeing that problem all over. And I just found it very

00:23:11.340 distressing with what happened with you. And for people who don't understand tenure, I kind of said

00:23:15.680 that at the start of the show. I mean, the whole purpose of that system is to ensure that our

00:23:20.740 professors and other people aren't afraid to delve into and at least critique and question things

00:23:25.160 that may be controversial. And, you know, perhaps they're wrong, but you've got to examine and study

00:23:30.960 these issues to come to a conclusion. And when we will dismiss somebody for examining those issues,

00:23:35.420 the whole point of tenure has been completely lost yes and and tenure is under serious threat

00:23:42.940 and for people who are worried about these issues they should be very concerned about my case

00:23:47.900 it's going to arbitration in january of 2023 i'm pressing hard for that arbitration to be made

00:23:55.740 public so that all the documents that have uh that are available with respect to my case

00:24:01.820 can be examined and we can begin to understand the problems that are occurring in universities

00:24:08.620 with the clamp down on the discussion of these contentious topics, the unmarked graves,

00:24:14.460 residential schools being, you know, a couple of those issues, but it's not just those issues.

00:24:19.820 It's a whole range of issues, which if you just say the wrong thing, you're going to have all

00:24:25.500 sorts of complaints filed against you and you're going to be dragged through various inquisitions

00:24:31.580 which will be intent on finding you uh to be guilty of breaching various code of conduct

00:24:37.980 policies harassment policies and so on so it's a very very serious problem in universities today

00:24:44.700 yeah and there's uh before i'm going to bring rod on to speak to conditions in the residential

00:24:49.100 schools as he spent some time on them working in them and uh just to point out with with things

00:24:54.060 as such as professor widowson but pointing out like i'm looking at a piece right now that has

00:24:57.980 has been cited, apparently, this is through Google articles, 72 times. It was written by

00:25:02.940 Pam Palmiter, and she's a very biased activist. I'll put it in a light way. And she wrote a piece 1.00

00:25:11.200 essentially contending that the government was purposely trying to slaughter First Nations

00:25:16.440 people in residential schools, in fact, by purposely exposing them to tuberculosis and

00:25:21.800 other things such as that. It's unsourced, it's unrealistic, yet it gets taken as fact and we need

00:25:28.740 to have more academic discussion when stuff like this is going around out there. If this is true

00:25:34.220 then things are far worse than we ever imagined but I strongly suspect it isn't. But so if we

00:25:39.580 could bring Rod Clifton on from the panel there and Rod actually again as I said spent time on

00:25:46.220 the residential school east of Calgary.

00:25:49.800 That was the Blackfoot Reserve at that time, Siksika now,

00:25:52.160 and you were up in Inuvik for some time.

00:25:54.680 Yes.

00:25:54.860 Thank you for joining us today, Rod,

00:25:56.240 and maybe just kind of for the audience

00:25:57.660 who didn't see the last time you were on.

00:25:59.960 You know, you can say what Ms. Whittleson was punished for, 0.98

00:26:03.900 essentially, that it wasn't necessarily all bad

00:26:07.120 on these school sites.

00:26:09.140 That's exactly true.

00:26:11.220 My parents-in-law, who went to residential school

00:26:13.780 for eight years and my wife who was in Old Sun residential school for 10 years, they went to

00:26:20.980 the Apology by the Anglican Church and in the middle of the week-long session out at Menaki

00:26:26.900 Lodge, which is about 100 kilometers east of Winnipeg here, they phoned and said we had to

00:26:33.780 come and pick them up because the emotions were so high they couldn't even get a reasonable

00:26:39.140 discussion so on the way back to Winnipeg I asked my parents-in-law well what did you learn

00:26:45.060 in residential school that turns out to be something positive and my mother-in-law without

00:26:50.420 skipping a beat said I'm talking to you aren't I meaning that they learned how to speak English and

00:26:55.300 if the aboriginals didn't learn how to speak English they couldn't talk to each other across 1.00

00:26:59.060 the country they need to have a common language in order to speak and she recognized that now we've

00:27:05.540 forgotten all about that we've forgotten about you know the fact that that it wasn't until 1947

00:27:11.540 that tuberculosis was uh that that uh that uh a drug uh streptomycium that had a positive effect

00:27:18.980 upon uh decreasing um helping people get better from tuberculosis was was discovered and um and

00:27:26.180 we think that no children should have died as a result of any uh diseases or any difficulties

00:27:33.220 that they had in in in residential school we have to be more realistic about that that's it and

00:27:40.340 nobody's denying that you know unfortunately when you have a lot of uh children in a boarding

00:27:45.380 situation in a number of areas it's a sad reality of humanity i mean there's there's always nasty

00:27:50.740 predators out there who were drawn to circumstances like that there were individual cases of abuse

00:27:55.620 we've seen that in you know indian residential schools and in non-residential uh you know or

00:28:00.260 non-native boarding schools it's a sick and unfortunate reality in life and nobody's denying 1.00

00:28:05.300 that it ever happened or excusing it it's just that these stories have snowballed into as if

00:28:10.020 you know we label everybody who's attended even a day school now as a survivor and the hyperbole

00:28:15.380 is sort of getting to be too much my my wife elaine uh when we were young uh used to when 0.97

00:28:22.740 people said did you go to residential school rather than saying yes she would say no i went

00:28:27.220 to a private anglican school and now she doesn't even want to talk about about it at all because

00:28:32.260 of the the tension and the difficulty of uh even expressing that that concern so she just keeps

00:28:38.660 her mouth shut yeah and that's unfortunate i mean it it scares people from even just wanting to get

00:28:44.180 into it and and uh you know that's a sort of victimization in itself in reality uh but let's

00:28:50.500 bring uh brian in i i see he's joined the the panel back there brian uh guys we've talked about

00:28:55.620 this and i i think i i saw something else as i was reading up some stuff prior to this

00:29:00.260 and i saw another paper claiming that uh because i believe you've addressed this when you've been

00:29:04.340 on before that there was no tuberculosis going around with children in the the first nations

00:29:09.540 reserves and they've all picked it up while they're at the residential schools and that's how

00:29:13.460 it got them but i mean health conditions on reserves uh outside of the residential schools

00:29:18.100 were not typically very good at all no they weren't uh the doctor peter bryce is usually

00:29:25.700 the person quoted on these disease issues he was very much involved with the residential schools

00:29:32.820 in the early years and what bryce says is that um the children would arrive at the residential

00:29:41.300 schools infected with tuberculosis and they would they would infect others and that was just a fact

00:29:47.620 of life. In fact, he did studies at eight schools, and he found that every one of the children who

00:29:57.540 was tested had the beginnings of tuberculosis when the child first entered the school. So it

00:30:04.540 just shows how severe the problem was. And there was actually discussion. I've read discussions

00:30:10.020 between officials at the time, school officials and government officials, and they said, well,

00:30:14.680 what can we do about it? It wasn't as if they didn't think, no, there was a problem,

00:30:19.060 but they actually concluded that they would have to close down the schools if they insisted on a

00:30:24.460 clean bill of health for every child. The fact was that the children, particularly the Plains

00:30:31.320 Indian peoples, were very unhealthy at the time. The buffalo had disappeared. People were literally 1.00

00:30:38.620 starving on the reserves, and some of the reserves, it was government rations that actually kept

00:30:43.040 to people alive so health conditions were awful and and we also have to understand that

00:30:49.440 100 plus years ago um people uh got sick and died that was just a fact of life now it's quite

00:30:56.880 unusual for a child for instance to have a uh to become infected with the disease and die well

00:31:03.840 that was that was commonplace at the time the family that had four or five children with everyone

00:31:09.920 living was the very lucky family and indians were particularly hard hit because the infection rate

00:31:16.560 for many diseases particularly tuberculosis was very high so death was just uh far too common

00:31:24.960 so i think we always have to factor that in when we're when we're considering these issues corey

00:31:31.520 yeah and and uh you know again i like as i said kind of said before the show started going out

00:31:36.160 myself and looking at things. And when I used to work in the Eastern United States, for example,

00:31:40.040 in a lot of rural areas, I've always liked cemeteries, actually. I just find them peaceful

00:31:43.240 spots to wander and look around. But something striking when you go into those family plots

00:31:47.840 and areas and you look between 1919, 1920, and you'll see whole families that were wiped out.

00:31:54.120 This wasn't First Nations people. This was people with the Spanish flu nailed. And, you know, 0.99

00:31:58.800 their children were very vulnerable to it and were often killed. And it was tragic. And we don't

00:32:04.200 deal with that sort of thing today but on yes i mean due to a residential school something like

00:32:08.200 that would would sweep through rather quickly and it doesn't mean there was a purposeful genocide

00:32:13.080 it just means they were in a poor environment at a time when children were a lot more vulnerable

00:32:17.880 yes it does and i mentioned the actual the the actual number of children who died at residential

00:32:24.040 schools was 832. then there were some other children who died at hospitals later and then the

00:32:33.800 numbers have been added to that but the actual numbers aren't out of line with

00:32:38.040 deaths to death statistics at the time they were quite uh quite normal and expected um the other

00:32:47.560 thing that's really interesting about the the deaths from tuberculosis at residential schools

00:32:53.400 is that yes for a time in those early years they were they were they were they were very bad and

00:32:59.480 probably residential school death rate was similar to what was going on at the reserve but over time

00:33:05.880 the federal government and the churches did work very hard at residential schools to bring those

00:33:11.240 numbers down so in the 1930s and 40s for instance the death rate at residential schools then compared

00:33:23.240 relatively favorably to normal schools or mainstream schools while the death rate on

00:33:28.280 reserves continued to be very high. And it's a shame that death rates were so high in reserves,

00:33:36.600 but it was a fact of life. And the idea that residential schools were killing the children,

00:33:43.720 no, diseases were killing the children. And those were the normal diseases of the day.

00:33:49.800 Maybe I could jump in and say something. I had tuberculosis, meningitis, and I was in

00:33:54.600 in what was called a preventorium to prevent other people from getting it when I was a kid

00:33:59.500 from 1946 to 1948. And it was pretty awful. I still remember a few of the things, even though

00:34:07.640 I was only two, three years old. And it was full, full, full of kids. The sanatorium was full of

00:34:18.180 kids, and some of them died. That's just the facts of life. And we forget, you know, that Canadians 1.00

00:34:24.920 actually lived through those kinds of situations. So we're thinking now that the conditions of today

00:34:30.020 were identical to the conditions of 55 or 60 years ago. They weren't. They were much different.

00:34:37.980 Yeah, we can't measure against that lens at all. I mean, it wasn't relatively long ago that polio

00:34:42.780 was wiping out children as well. And again, it wasn't exclusive to residential schools. So

00:34:47.440 So, you know, speaking with Professor Whittowson, I mean, we're getting a lot of revisionist history going on, which is a dangerous, dangerous trend going.

00:34:56.560 And when we're quelling any discussion to it, I mean, our defenders against this should be in the halls of academia.

00:35:02.280 And we're seeing that that's not working right now.

00:35:05.240 I mean, how can we solve this?

00:35:07.000 The only people we tend to see speaking out, we know that there's others who are silently thinking it but not saying it, tend to be retired professors or, unfortunately, in your case, a fired one.

00:35:17.440 Yes, well, we need to restore our universities to their academic character, and this is a big battle that's got to be fought.

00:35:26.280 The most prominent organization in Canada that is doing that, I should mention, is the Society for Academic Freedom and Scholarship, www.safs.ca.

00:35:38.280 And the president, Mark Mercer, and the board, I'm a board member of that organization,

00:35:42.600 And we are working tirelessly to write to university presidents to hold events to discuss these issues. So what is needed now is organization, organization of academics at the local university level, at the national level through the Society for Academic Freedom and Scholarship, and then internationally.

00:36:02.900 There's many good organizations such as the Free Speech Union, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Education, and the National Association of Scholars.

00:36:13.620 So this is really a work in progress, but many academics are opposed to what is happening.

00:36:21.300 It's just that it's very difficult because if you act as an individual, you will have all sorts of policies directed against you.

00:36:30.680 and the important ones are harassment policies, human rights policies and code of conduct policies,

00:36:37.560 what's happening is if you ask questions which a member who identifies as being part of an

00:36:43.480 oppressed group does not like, they will charge you with harassment and you'll have to go through

00:36:49.560 an investigation on that basis and that's what happened to me is that I had to go through many

00:36:55.240 investigations, I did nothing wrong, all I was doing initially was asking questions and then

00:37:01.240 when people tried to get me fired I tried to defend myself from getting fired and basically

00:37:07.000 I was told that I could not defend myself because I was sort of in opposition to members of groups

00:37:14.280 that the university wanted to protect. So this is a major major problem in universities not just in

00:37:20.520 Canada, throughout the Western world. And academics, if you're listening to this, we need

00:37:26.440 to organize and we need to fight back against these constraints on academic freedom and open

00:37:34.240 inquiry in universities. Absolutely. And, you know, Jordan Peterson was mentioned earlier,

00:37:39.520 again, whether people like or don't like, I mean, the way he was attacked for breaking from

00:37:44.300 the orthodoxy or God saw it is another gentleman who has written extensively on what's happening

00:37:50.340 in there and covering it. And we really should be all very, very concerned with that trend.

00:37:56.660 Another thing, I mean, not to sound callous, but, you know, in speaking with Rod and that is a lot

00:38:02.600 of the people who experienced the residential schools and had positive experiences are getting

00:38:07.640 older. And we need to document those experiences from that point of view as well. And as you said,

00:38:13.320 if people don't even want to talk about it anymore, we're going to, they're getting shouted

00:38:17.140 down we're going to lose the ability to document their experiences at these facilities you know

00:38:23.380 while we can for sure and there's a lot of positive things that people have said about

00:38:29.540 residential schools those people that have actually worked in residential schools like I have

00:38:34.580 but nobody wants to hear their message and they're not being phoned up and asked to

00:38:40.600 do presentations at churches or at community clubs or whatever to get the other side of the

00:38:49.260 message out and to have a debate going on this issue in the same sort of way that Francis is

00:38:55.760 admitting that at universities you can't get a debate going in terms of the way people are being

00:39:01.540 treated because of their ideological position or what they think are facts in a situation in

00:39:08.240 comparison to what other people think are facts in those situations. And we need to have more of

00:39:14.080 a discussion about these sorts of things. We simply can't listen to people say what they think

00:39:20.300 went on and any contrary evidence can't be brought forward. Well, that's anecdotal evidence

00:39:28.500 and oral histories. I mean, they're difficult at the best of times, but I mean, the best you can

00:39:33.000 hope to get out of those then is to get as many people offering input from their experiences as

00:39:37.980 possible, because we certainly accept at face value a lot of the anecdotes from some people

00:39:42.960 saying that there were, what, babies hung up in basements and some pretty absurd accusations that

00:39:49.240 get taken as fact. And then when somebody says, well, hey, you know, I didn't think it was all

00:39:54.060 that bad there, they get shouted down. Right. Yeah. I never saw anything like that. My wife

00:40:00.060 never saw anything like that. And her parents in the eight years that they were an old son never

00:40:05.660 saw anything like that i never heard anything like this now of course i i knew about people

00:40:11.420 being abused by uh certain people in residential schools because there were legal cases about that

00:40:17.980 but these other kinds of things are just nothing that i ever heard about now it may be true but we

00:40:23.500 should have a good inquiry and to find out whether it isn't it is true or not and if it isn't true

00:40:29.820 then people shouldn't be spreading these false rumors around and destroying our society well

00:40:35.420 Well, yeah, and I'll go back to Ms. Whittowson with, you know, we want to find the truth.

00:40:39.720 I mean, if indeed there were 215 murdered, buried children in Kamloops, and we just got a recent report that Jaime sent me from another individual that shows records that it's very likely there's a whole lot of septic tiles and things that were buried in that area where they found their anomalies.

00:40:57.520 There's a very high chance there's not any bodies down there.

00:41:00.400 shouldn't we though be digging these holes as soon as possible because if these crimes happened

00:41:05.200 the perpetrators might still be alive and we want to get them yes and uh Nina Green who is a 0.96

00:41:11.400 if stone figure I should mention has been tirelessly working and you know getting

00:41:17.820 research on these matters and really there's three things that have to happen now so the

00:41:23.900 knowledge keepers that's the only evidence that we have so far is what's been the so-called

00:41:27.840 knowledge keepers and their memories and it's not like they're lying everyone says oh you're saying

00:41:32.240 they're lying we're not saying anyone is lying it's just that memory especially after many many years

00:41:39.840 becomes you know clouded and as well you can implant memories in people so what has to happen

00:41:46.800 is first of all there's a report that was done by the ground penetrating radar specialist

00:41:52.240 Sarah Beaulieu, and that report has been kept secret by the band. That report should be released.

00:41:59.680 There's really no other things that have to happen at this initial stage, but that report

00:42:05.440 has to be released so it can be viewed by outside experts. Then there was a RCMP investigation that

00:42:13.280 was initially started and Marie Sinclair became involved in cautioning Sarah Beaulieu to get a 1.00

00:42:21.440 lawyer and to be concerned about answering questions in the RCMP. I don't know where

00:42:26.000 that's at, but that should be reopened. And finally, excavations. That's the only way you

00:42:33.760 are going to be able to determine whether there are remains there. And that should have been done

00:42:38.960 a year ago. And we're, for some reason, we cannot seem to get that going. And it really is,

00:42:45.440 Because I don't understand why, if you think that there are 215 murdered children in an apple orchard, why the RCMP isn't starting this process of excavations.

00:42:59.180 Well, yeah, and I'd heard, again, a lot of emotional discussion from leaders and communities, and they take those quotes in the paper when it ever comes to these days.

00:43:06.920 We want to get those remains and repatriate them and bring them to their families.

00:43:10.300 But nobody follows up with the media to point out, well, where's the families looking for them?

00:43:14.780 Where are they to be repatriated to? We haven't even found any remains yet. But the legacy media leaves that wide open. And again, our academia does. We've got a really travesty happening here right now. And it doesn't seem to be getting any better.

00:43:31.120 So I think one of the ways people do this is they just declare that both the ground and the report is sacred.

00:43:38.520 And if it's sacred in the eyes of certain people, you can't open it for discussion in a general way or you can't dig into the ground to find out what's there.

00:43:47.180 This would be an easy out for anybody to claim, but certain people have a priority in making that claim and keeping other people from delving into finding out what the actual truth really is.

00:43:58.980 and and and one of the perpetrators of this of course is uh the the trc commission itself who

00:44:07.380 you know made certain claims that that these areas are sacred and can't be violated

00:44:12.500 well i mean if somebody's murdered the police have an official responsibility to violate that

00:44:18.180 principle and because there's a higher order principle that is we want to find out who was

00:44:23.300 murdered and how they were murdered and who's responsible and hold them up for punishment

00:44:27.780 but so i see brian's back in i think perhaps there was a connection challenge or something

00:44:32.800 there and i'd like to and brian's got a you know of course an extensive legal history because this

00:44:38.980 is outside of my realm of knowledge we were discussing though i mean if we perhaps have

00:44:42.760 this many uh bodies or if it is happening we should be seeing a forensic investigation the

00:44:47.800 reserves and others are resisting an actual you know exhuming of these sites is there a way though

00:44:52.580 we could legally force then i mean if this is a a crime scene if this is a forensic state if i had

00:44:57.060 one in my backyard. I couldn't tell the police, yeah, there's a body back there, but I consider

00:45:01.140 it sacred, so I'm not going to let you dig it up. They're not going to take that. They're going to

00:45:04.580 come in and dig it anyways. Is there a way we could compel further investigation on this to

00:45:08.880 get some clarity? Yeah, and I lost my connection. Sorry, so I don't know exactly what has been

00:45:15.420 discussed here. But yeah, this is one of the big areas that Canadians should be discussing.

00:45:24.980 What happened here? We got one of the biggest murder allegations in the history of Canada.

00:45:34.340 We have the top chief in Canada, Archibald, claimed on BBC that tens of thousands of

00:45:44.180 Indigenous students had been murdered in Canada and buried in spots all over the country.

00:45:50.740 We have another one of our top Indigenous leaders claiming that there might be 25,000,

00:45:58.900 maybe more of these people. And the National Center for Truth and Reconciliation claims that

00:46:05.380 there are thousands of missing children who went to school and never returned. So if true,

00:46:11.460 this would be probably the worst, by far the worst crime in Canadian history. So you'd think

00:46:16.980 that the rcmp would want to get right in there and investigate immediately because if in fact

00:46:25.220 it turns out and i think it will that dr bolio's report is deeply flawed and that she was not

00:46:33.620 detecting graves at all instead she was detecting what was probably a sewage system built in the

00:46:41.220 1920s and if in fact her report is uh was done very incompetently and as i say i think that's

00:46:48.660 what we're going to find and if there are no bodies if there are no murders then uh the canadian

00:46:55.140 people and have been through a heck of a bad year the kind of the reputation of the country has

00:47:02.100 suffered tremendously because we are now known as a spot where genocide occurred where indigenous

00:47:08.900 children were murdered. And as I say, the research we've done makes it exceedingly unlikely that

00:47:18.820 anybody, any child was in fact murdered at a residential school, other than one historical

00:47:29.140 little footnote I'll tell you about in a minute if I could. So the RCMP should definitely be,

00:47:37.300 and what they should have done, I think my colleagues would agree with me, is immediately

00:47:42.580 after this allegation was made, they should have taken over the investigation, they should have

00:47:48.280 properly secured the area, and if necessary, they should have begun excavations, which would

00:47:55.720 probably have consisted of, they probably wouldn't even have had to do so, because they would have

00:48:01.200 found out after questioning Bolio and realizing that she had not properly prepared a report,

00:48:07.360 they probably would have done the investigation, found that these were not graves in the first

00:48:12.320 place. And they could have laid this to rest probably within a week of investigation,

00:48:17.280 but they didn't do so. So the question that we have to ask is why? Now, what we know for a fact

00:48:23.440 is that uh murray sinclair who used to be the uh commissioner uh the head commissioner for the trc

00:48:32.640 contacted some people and said lay off this investigation i'm not accusing

00:48:38.880 sinclair of doing anything wrong he was a private citizen i suppose that's his right to do so

00:48:43.600 but what happened next we have to know about that because it sounds like some important politicians

00:48:50.320 got involved and i'll see if my colleagues agree with my my suspicions here but it sounds like

00:48:56.320 some important politicians got involved and then they got on the phone to the some very important

00:49:03.920 rcmp people and said don't do your investigation stop because you might be offending people or

00:49:10.640 whatever the reasons now for a politician to do that is very wrong that's political interference

00:49:16.880 at a top level for the RCMP if this is in fact what occurred to simply not do their job and say

00:49:24.080 okay well we we won't go and investigate that is also very wrong so I think what we have here

00:49:30.800 is is a political scandal a very large political scandal that has not yet been fully

00:49:38.640 fully explained but yes of course the RCMP should have immediately gone involved and

00:49:44.080 begun investigating properly and this matter would have probably been laid to rest very quickly and i

00:49:50.480 i don't know if my colleagues agree with me uh on that or not report we need to have bolio's report

00:49:58.160 uh released and that makes no sense as to why that that has not been made public and until we have

00:50:04.480 that report released no one should have you know even proceeded on any of the discussions but

00:50:10.240 everything all blew up and so now here we are but the band must release bolio's report absolutely

00:50:19.120 and and i think brian i would even push a little bit further and said you know there's complicity

00:50:23.760 between the government the churches the rcmp and particularly the media on this issue so

00:50:31.360 it's not simply you know one sector of our society that's been bought off but it's

00:50:36.000 it's a whole swath of sectors of our society that aren't willing to open this to having a debate and

00:50:44.480 try to find out what the actual truth really is and deference i think that's that you know one

00:50:50.000 doesn't necessarily have to get into the collusion or anything like that but there is too much

00:50:55.360 deference for anything that a so-called knowledge keeper says when they're just an individual who

00:51:02.480 has a memory which could be flawed could have been implanted we cannot rely upon these memories

00:51:10.080 to proceed uh in terms of our action we we need actual evidence not just memories which could

00:51:17.280 have been implanted with some kind of suggestions which happens has happened many times and happened

00:51:22.960 in the 1980s with the satanic panic which has a lot of similarities to what went on with respect

00:51:28.800 of the Kamloops, please.

00:51:30.400 Well, in particular, I mean, I went to a boarding school for a period of my young life.

00:51:36.620 It's certainly not Indian residential or anything like that.

00:51:38.820 But I remember the late night rumor mills between kids as they chatter and myths and

00:51:43.820 things that are going on, and particularly in a boarding environment.

00:51:48.060 I mean, and those things, if they aren't corrected, even if it's, you know, not malicious, but

00:51:53.920 inadvertently turned into what you think was a real memory later in life.

00:51:56.860 It's not trying to cause harm, but I mean, we're basing, yes, a lot of settlements, a lot of accusations on oral histories that are completely unproven.

00:52:07.160 Well, I think they're more than, it even goes further than that.

00:52:10.760 I think these are basically, my belief is that these are basically ghost stories.

00:52:15.200 Originally, these stories about priests throwing babies into furnaces and killing people and secretly burying them with six-year-olds and that sort of thing.

00:52:24.780 These are basically ghost stories that probably frightened little kids in residential school dormitories told each other.

00:52:32.460 And then they have been amplified.

00:52:34.580 And we mentioned Kevin Annett, who is one of the most destructive people in Canadian history.

00:52:43.800 He has taken these stories, these ghost stories that little kids tell, and he has made them more sophisticated and believable, and he's spread them throughout the country.

00:52:57.160 So they have been floating around many indigenous communities now for decades, for a couple of decades, and they've created a type of, and I agree with it with Francis, it's a type of hysteria. 1.00

00:53:08.720 And so you have these stories. And suddenly, for some reason, our own media and our own politicians go along with this nonsense. And that's what this is. Priests throwing babies into furnaces or secretly burying them with the forced help of six-year-olds.

00:53:28.780 Those are conspiracy theories, urban legends, whatever you want to call them, ghost stories.

00:53:34.440 They're just not true.

00:53:36.060 But these crazy stories have been conflated with the legitimate desire by some Indigenous communities to search for the burial sites, long lost burial sites.

00:53:46.520 And that's perfectly legitimate.

00:53:48.260 But to have that conflated with all of these ghost stories has made a pure mess.

00:53:53.320 And then on top of that, you have the media, which has not done its job.

00:53:56.900 You have politicians who are forever, whatever the reasons, are exploiting this.

00:54:02.300 And you've got indigenous leaders like Archibald making absolutely reckless statements.

00:54:10.060 And they're doing great damage to the country, both domestically and internationally.

00:54:15.640 Yeah, well, and so, I mean, before I let you guys go, I'll go one more round through.

00:54:20.380 And I'll ask the hardest part, which is how can we deal with this?

00:54:25.400 How can we fix this?

00:54:26.300 how can we correct this? Because it's only going to get worse. I mean, there's currently, as we

00:54:30.240 speak, another GPR survey going on in a site up near Lacklebish. And they said they're going to

00:54:35.120 have results coming out this winter. Well, I can put my fortune teller's hat on already and tell

00:54:40.040 you that they're going to say, we found a bunch of anomalies. Everybody's going to go hog wild.

00:54:43.560 There'll be new settlements. There'll be new orange t-shirts springing up on fences all over

00:54:47.200 the place. And nobody's going to dig up and follow through on whatever they discovered.

00:54:51.700 And this is going to keep happening. So, I mean, I guess I'll start with you, Rod.

00:54:55.500 like there are people like yourself who have been there firsthand is there any organization or more

00:55:00.940 people coming to speak out and at least try to correct the record right now um well we have a

00:55:06.380 group of about 15 people that are that are looking uh trying to look seriously into this issue and

00:55:11.500 we've got news outlets uh like yours and and and epic times and a few others that are concerned

00:55:18.220 about that so there's a group of about 15 of us that are that are trying to get the information

00:55:24.940 out but we're certainly not getting um a sympathetic hearing uh from uh from from from the other news

00:55:32.220 outlets and uh and and looking at the issues that we're bringing forward so until we start talking

00:55:39.500 reasonably and sensibly and fairly to each other i don't think we can move very much further

00:55:45.660 okay well we'll try what we can and for yourself ms whittison i mean you've kind of lost a a bit

00:55:50.780 of a platform for the time being but you're still active of course outspoken uh you know on the

00:55:57.100 academic front uh what more i mean there's lots that we want to see done but what what's being

00:56:01.580 done or what can be done yes so i'm very active and i have my own podcast called the rational

00:56:06.620 space disputations where i invite people like rod and brian on to you know have different perspectives

00:56:12.940 aired um but really um administration university administration what they are doing by making

00:56:20.140 political statements all the time is they are directly acting against the ability of professors

00:56:26.700 to critically examine issues. And this happened with the residential schools. It also happened

00:56:33.240 with Black Lives Matter. Administrators and university presidents and so on should stay out of

00:56:39.600 making these political statements because what it does is it creates a chill for those who might

00:56:47.280 disagree and gives you the impression that this is the official position of the university and

00:56:53.280 what happens if you question what's being stated is that you will have all sorts of complaints

00:56:58.800 filed against you that you are a person who is not um you know aligned with the quote unquote

00:57:05.840 values of what the university is about the university is about the free and open exchange

00:57:11.840 of ideas it's not about having a particular political position and this is a huge problem

00:57:18.400 that exists and if we can get rid of that problem and restore universities to a place of open

00:57:23.280 inquiry then we will be able to discuss issues such as the unmarked grades and the residential

00:57:29.600 schools great and uh finally uh brian uh where do we go from here well i think you're doing it

00:57:37.120 cory and i hope you will continue to uh to do it it's it's people in the media that we need

00:57:45.040 uh terry glavin's article was was was very brave and he's paid a he's paid a price um and john k

00:57:54.320 at colette these are the people we need conrad black barbara k we need brave journalists that

00:58:02.400 are prepared to take an honest look at this issue and not just write what their editors want them

00:58:11.280 to write. And we have to have the editors of the national newspapers like the National Post and the

00:58:19.600 Globe and Mail to get their heads out of their nether regions and start encouraging an honest

00:58:28.240 discussion, not just having the authors like Tanya Kalaga and these emotional appeals not

00:58:35.980 based on facts. What they need is proper reporting. I mentioned Kerry Levin. There's a perfect example

00:58:42.320 of an honest journalist. That's what we need, and that's what those editors have to do.

00:58:49.080 Well, great. Well, I thank all three of you for coming on to talk to me today, guys. It's such

00:58:53.940 an important issue. I appreciate your being outspoken on it. And, you know, as I said,

00:58:58.460 all we can do is just keep hammering on this until hopefully we get good resolution in the

00:59:02.120 long run. Because if we give up, well, then the misinformation is sure to win. So I appreciate

00:59:07.840 the chance to talk to you all. And I hope I get to speak to you again all soon.

00:59:12.240 Thanks, Corey. And good luck in your new career.

00:59:15.020 Great. Thanks.

00:59:15.760 Thank you.

00:59:17.660 Okay. So yes, that was, again, Francis Whittowson, Rod Clifton, and Brian Geisbrecht on

00:59:23.780 And again, you know, aside from Francis Widdowson, I've had the others on before, and I do want to keep the subject alive.

00:59:29.800 As we know, this is my third last show, but I'm still, I mean, I'm not leaving media.

00:59:34.580 I'll still be writing columns for the Western Standard, and as some know, I freelance for some other publications,

00:59:39.740 and I'll be doing some other specials and things like that.

00:59:42.000 So I'm not letting this issue go.

00:59:43.300 I'm a dog with a bone on it because we do have a travesty going on, and not enough people are speaking out on it,

00:59:49.680 and they're getting canceled for it.

00:59:51.060 They're losing careers over it.

00:59:52.620 It's wrong.

00:59:54.100 And we've got to get settlement on it.

00:59:55.860 I mean, paradoxical, I'll get to some commenters on this as well

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01:00:01.400 But I like what you said, 100%.

01:00:02.440 Truth first, then reconciliation.

01:00:04.740 And that's fine because, again, nobody's saying there's nothing that needs to be reconciled

01:00:08.280 or there were no wrongs.

01:00:09.740 But we need the truth.

01:00:10.840 We need to examine and get to exactly what happened.

01:00:14.480 And we're doing anything but at this time.

01:00:17.740 And we're causing harm.

01:00:19.000 I mean, people who really believe some of these things happened,

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01:01:36.580 Yeah, I need a Salisbury company saying there was a huge pool

01:01:39.060 that was made in Kamloops that was dug up and no bodies were found there.

01:01:41.320 Yes. And Jaime put a lot of that out on his site. I think it's Dorchester Review. I'm not sure. And

01:01:47.840 again, if you Google these things, you can find them. And some of that was referenced, I believe,

01:01:51.400 with the other National Post story that Terry Glavin did, that there was a large septic pond

01:01:57.700 that covered, I think, about 30% of the area where supposedly the bodies have been found.

01:02:05.560 Well, when they dug that pool, there were no bodies found, nothing.

01:02:10.200 So 30% of the zone where they feel that there was this secret cemetery,

01:02:14.900 they managed to dig out a whole septic pond and not find any remains whatsoever.

01:02:19.540 These are things to take in mind.

01:02:20.600 And as we said, with Green and some of the reports that came to me that was sent by Jaime,

01:02:26.080 there are records, hard records showing that there was a lot of ground disturbance in that area

01:02:30.360 in this orchard where they're talking about.

01:02:31.860 but they had sewage disposal tiles buried there

01:02:34.560 and things like that all through that area

01:02:36.140 back in the 20s and 30s,

01:02:37.220 which again can show up on a ground penetrating radar

01:02:39.680 as an anomaly.

01:02:41.480 They could very much look like a grave site.

01:02:45.300 And again, maybe they are graves.

01:02:47.740 Maybe there really were children buried there.

01:02:49.680 And again, why the hell aren't we finding out? 0.99

01:02:52.400 This is ridiculous. 0.96

01:02:54.440 But nobody's digging. 0.88

01:02:56.200 And that's the thing.

01:02:56.740 I'm going to keep questioning it.

01:02:58.500 And, you know, we're all going on pure speculation.

01:03:01.860 we've turned this country upside down we brought the pope back over here who had to make a big

01:03:06.900 groveling apology which of course wasn't accepted by the activists because it's never enough

01:03:11.460 and let's not forget there's a lot of people with a lot of motivation to keep this mystery

01:03:17.060 alive there's a lot of class action lawyers making a lot of money off these settlements

01:03:23.300 and we shouldn't have a settlement until we've gotten the evidence and the evidence means we

01:03:28.740 have to exhume these sites. And as I said, I was up in Greward, and that one, there were all sorts

01:03:33.760 of news stories, and it shows the media as well. When I went and read it right up in those news

01:03:37.020 stories, there's one from Global, this whole thing, and at the bottom, it was this correction. Oh, we

01:03:40.400 had to correct and say these were anomalies that were found. So in other words, when they first

01:03:45.060 reported that in Greward, they said they were grave sites. Somebody corrected them later. You

01:03:49.680 see, when we put things out in digital media, 95% of our readers read it on the first couple of days.

01:03:55.440 when you put a little correction on the story after the fact, there's not too many people get

01:04:00.380 to see it. So they were already reporting on it as if it was graves. No. And I've talked about that

01:04:04.740 on the show. I have worked with ground pay trading radar before. It shows you an anomaly. That's it.

01:04:09.960 It could be anything. It could be a rock pile. It could be an outhouse pit. It could be, again,

01:04:15.160 a septic tile, or it could be a grave. They can certainly identify graves. I mean, that ground

01:04:19.900 disturbance will stand out on GPR, but there's only one way to find out. Only one. You get a

01:04:25.160 shovel and you dig and see if there's something down there. And nobody's done that yet. And more

01:04:31.360 are coming. And again, like I said, I was shocked with that story when I read it. And I look

01:04:35.260 and I like, seriously, you discovered a cemetery in a cemetery. And this made news. We knew that.

01:04:43.080 If you go to the Union Cemetery in Calgary, it's a huge one. As I said, I like going around and

01:04:48.680 checking out cemeteries. I find them peaceful. They're a part of history. They're interesting.

01:04:51.960 I respectfully tour them often. And you go to the south end of the Calgary Cemetery and you'll see

01:04:57.200 a big open field in there and you don't see any graves. Well, what that was was the potter's field

01:05:01.740 is what they used to call it back then. If people died without family, without means, without

01:05:06.360 connections, they got buried there. And it was typically just a wooden marker. And I sadly

01:05:12.780 forgotten. Now you can't even tell there was anybody buried there because it's been a hundred

01:05:18.660 years. And it just looks like a grass field. The only reason you know it's a cemetery, of course,

01:05:22.760 is because it's fenced in within the cemetery. And that's what they found in Gruard. It's a large

01:05:27.320 Catholic cemetery that's over 150 years old. And they're making news that we've found 169 anomalies

01:05:35.440 in this cemetery. Well, of course you did. But it could be anybody under there. It could be fur

01:05:40.900 trappers. It could be old people, you know, from the church itself. Or it could be students from 1.00

01:05:47.880 the residential school. But let's get to the bottom of it then. I mean, so we got more of

01:05:53.380 these surveys going on. As I said, we're going to see it happening again, because they're doing

01:05:56.860 another one up by Lac La Biche. So I know what's going to happen. They're going to say, oh my,

01:05:59.600 we found a whole bunch more. Everybody get the money. I'll get the money. I'll get the apologies.

01:06:02.760 I'll get the groveling, show the shame. No, no, enough. For one, I took no part in it anyways.

01:06:11.160 Sorry, I was born in Canada, but I had no part of anything that happened. So I'm not going to

01:06:14.900 feel ashamed of myself. I'm not going to apologize to anybody. I just want to see the facts. If there

01:06:18.980 was a dark period in Canadian history where this was happening, let's get to the bottom of it.

01:06:23.480 And shutting down discussion, that just puts my alarm bells up. When you're afraid of hearing

01:06:28.260 contrary views rather than countering them, that tells me you've got something to hide.

01:06:32.680 Allow the discussion. But, oh, here's George Nelson. Always interesting to hear the Catholic 1.00

01:06:38.520 church apologists spin their BS. Oh, George. It wasn't just the Catholics. There were the Anglicans.

01:06:43.680 There was the government.

01:06:45.800 And apologizing for what?

01:06:48.160 What are we talking about, George?

01:06:50.060 We're talking about a whole bunch of alleged graves that haven't been proven.

01:06:54.780 You don't like the church? Good for you.

01:06:56.180 Either do I. I'm an atheist.

01:06:57.580 I've covered that on here before.

01:07:01.200 But it doesn't mean everything that the church gets accused of is wrong.

01:07:07.420 I know the Catholic Church did a lot of things.

01:07:09.020 We had that happening in Calgary.

01:07:10.400 We had a priest who was a proven molester who got transferred here.

01:07:13.500 I think it was Bishop Fred Henry who was in charge of Calgary at that time.

01:07:16.700 And we found out that this priest they transferred here

01:07:18.420 had already been accused or convicted of meddling with kids out east.

01:07:21.500 I mean, the church does some bad things.

01:07:22.800 I'm not making excuses for them.

01:07:24.600 But this whole myth of thousands of children,

01:07:28.520 basically when you add up all the residential schools together,

01:07:30.460 being buried and hidden and murdered, is a myth.

01:07:33.920 There's no evidence of it, guys.

01:07:36.260 And we've got to start talking about that.

01:07:38.280 Because we're causing a lot of hurt.

01:07:39.780 Not everybody's digging in.

01:07:40.760 Some of them are reading the headlines.

01:07:41.840 They're reading things like Global

01:07:42.720 that said it was graves

01:07:43.680 even when they had to correct it later.

01:07:46.140 And we're hearing from activists 0.98

01:07:47.460 like Pam Palmiter, that crazy gal. 1.00

01:07:49.380 I call her Orange Owl. 0.77

01:07:50.720 Either way, she is an activist

01:07:52.860 and she's way out there.

01:07:55.360 And she claims, of course,

01:07:56.960 that tuberculosis was purposely

01:07:59.320 given to them almost.

01:08:00.600 She was saying there was a goal 0.99

01:08:01.920 to actually kill and wipe out the natives. 0.89

01:08:03.740 And people don't question her 0.99

01:08:04.840 nearly enough on that.

01:08:06.580 We've got to cover it.

01:08:07.640 And this is something, see,

01:08:08.380 I was trying to get out of Brian.

01:08:09.300 And Dr. Melissa saying, you know, has anybody written the RCMP a notice by affidavit and

01:08:13.180 registered mail? Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, isn't there a way to compel a forensic

01:08:18.400 investigation, though? If there's a crime, it's happened. I was hoping to get that in Brian. Is

01:08:22.740 there a way a judge can order an excavation then or, you know, order a criminal investigation on

01:08:28.520 this? How do we leave this hanging in the air like this? And more and more are coming. And it's

01:08:35.840 dividing our country. It's hurting people. As I said, it's

01:08:38.660 got to be pretty hurtful for the people who read the news and

01:08:40.580 read the activists and read the lunacy and believe it. The ones

01:08:43.400 who believe it, they got to be mortified. They got to be

01:08:45.400 stressed. Well, let's get to the truth, guys. And so far, the

01:08:51.560 truth shows no evidence of anybody and these secret graves

01:08:54.800 happening. And it's not saying residential schools are good.

01:08:58.080 Not saying they were great for everybody who attended them. It's

01:09:01.580 not saying there weren't abuses, but countering bullshit is not sugarcoating the experience that 0.95

01:09:09.560 people went through in the residential schools. It's bringing the level of rhetoric back to where 0.85

01:09:13.580 it should be. And, you know, well, here we go. Blame the victim is the flavor of the day for

01:09:19.940 the broadcast. George, show me the evidence, George. Show me the evidence. That's all I'm

01:09:25.940 asking. I'm not blaming victims. What victims? There's no bodies. Talk to me, George. Show me

01:09:29.760 the bodies. Show me the bodies. Show me the bodies. No bodies. No bodies, no crime. At least not that

01:09:38.300 particular crime. So, I mean, and George, if you want to wrap yourself around and think there was

01:09:42.280 this, this going on right now, well, now he's, he's shooting at Conrad Black. So George has just got a

01:09:46.500 chip on his shoulder. Well, not much I can do for you, George. You don't want to hear facts. You

01:09:49.700 don't want to hear facts. That's okay. But I'm going to cover them here. And as I said, if, if

01:09:55.900 they finally get in there with some shovels, do a forensic investigation, and they find all these

01:09:59.500 bodies with children. I'll be right in the front of the line saying, let's get on the examinations.

01:10:03.440 Let's find out who did this. Let's make them pay. Let's get to this. I'm all for it. I'll be right

01:10:09.400 there. I just got a funny feeling we're not going to find any. But again, I stand to be proven wrong.

01:10:15.940 Why are so many people afraid then to exhume and get to the bottom of this? Because they don't want

01:10:20.680 the answer. They prefer the myth. Well, when we're talking something as serious as mass murder,

01:10:25.980 here's a myth. George's saying, explain what the Pope apologized for. Well, he pressured,

01:10:32.040 he pressured, he pressured, and he apologized for the residential schools. So what, George?

01:10:36.020 Did he apologize for murders of babies? No, because it didn't happen. Did he apologize for

01:10:40.740 the bodies found? No, because we haven't found any yet. So George, get wrapped up in your myth.

01:10:45.840 You enjoy it, apparently. I mean, some people embrace victimhood. It's a security blanket for

01:10:50.740 themselves. Fine. But I want facts. I am sick of mythology. I'm tired of rumors. I'm tired of

01:11:01.640 division. I'm tired of the fear mongering. I'm tired of revisionism. I'm tired of people's

01:11:06.860 careers getting ruined because they questioned this. Terry Glavin, again, a very well-established

01:11:12.600 journalist, had the balls to go out and write a piece on all of this stuff as it was and put it 0.72

01:11:17.500 the National Post, and oh, they went crazy on him for it. Why? Well, don't just go crazy on him, 0.87

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01:13:04.920 and you'll get good coffee brought right to your doorstep. And you know, wean yourself off that

01:13:09.640 cheap stuff, you know, the Folgers and crap, it's easy to buy at Superstore. I know it's cheap, but 0.97

01:13:13.520 he's very good. Once you get the good stuff, it's hard to go back.

01:13:18.200 Speaking of old history and things, let's see the Hudson's Bay, that's Canada's oldest company by a

01:13:23.060 long shot. I'm just looking at some of the news items. They fell behind in commercial rent due

01:13:27.700 to the COVID lockdowns. I mean, the Bay's been hurting for quite a while as an institution,

01:13:31.620 as a store. I think their main demographic is sort of fading and dying out. And they've got

01:13:39.420 to reevaluate where they're at. So the pandemic's really hurt them. It's really hurt retail too.

01:13:43.200 It's kind of sad to see old institutions go like that. I mean, they're really actually a historic

01:13:47.500 company that still retails today, but they're in big trouble. And the other part is, of course,

01:13:53.440 a lot is mail order, as I said, with the coffee, things like that. People don't buy nearly as much

01:13:56.860 stuff at the store. It's a paradox. He's saying, isn't the Bay not Canadian anymore? Yeah, I'm not

01:14:02.780 sure how the shareholders work, but I still look at the, I'm just speaking of the whole as an

01:14:06.620 institution as a company that's been around initially for so long, that's all. But yeah,

01:14:12.800 Jane, I mean, the amount of Amazon stuff that shows up on our doorstep daily, wow, she even

01:14:17.000 forgets some of the stuff she buys. It's great, but all the same, it really does hurt brick and

01:14:21.520 mortar retailers. Zeller's was part of the bay though, as you can see there that Nico brought

01:14:25.520 up and they're bringing that back. That might be a good move on their part because people,

01:14:29.180 tough times are coming as I was talking with secondhand stores and thrift shops are getting

01:14:34.280 more popular and everything. Likewise with even new stuff, sometimes you want to get some of the

01:14:42.440 cheaper items. And it's better to buy quality and get stuff that lasts a long time, but you don't

01:14:46.800 always have that money on hand. I mean, I remember when I moved out on my own, we didn't have Walmart

01:14:50.260 in Canada yet even. So just to buy some cutlery for your apartment, even the cheap crappy stuff,

01:14:55.940 we're not talking good silverware. And when you're making five bucks an hour like I was back

01:14:59.720 then, that's a big chunk out of your check. So these stores that sell the cheaper items are

01:15:03.440 important to a lot of people. So seeing the return of Zeller's, maybe the Bay will find a new market

01:15:09.380 and build some stuff up again for themselves. Again, I don't want to see them fade away, but

01:15:12.980 they might. Pamela Jones, Kenny, but now yeah, Eaton's, Woodward's, Sears, they're all going.

01:15:19.680 There's no way to stop it necessarily. Things change, but it's still kind of sad to see them go.

01:15:24.560 And yeah, Kmart, you don't hear that name often. Brian was saying that. I think Kmart's still in

01:15:29.960 the States. I'm pretty sure I saw someone that was down there, but I don't think they're in

01:15:33.140 Canada anymore, at least not out here, out in the West. And, uh, paradoxically milk crate furniture

01:15:36.960 in mismatch China. Yep. I hear you garage sale stuff. And you can make anything out of milk

01:15:41.020 crates. Um, all right. And yes, I covered that with the kids and the vaccinations.

01:15:48.120 Uh, yeah. Dave talked about this in the news check-in this morning. It's with, uh, SNC

01:15:52.700 Lavalin. The department of public works basically saying, uh, yeah, SNC Lavalin. Ah, they're kind

01:15:59.060 to corrupt, and sure, they're criminals, and yeah, there's some problems, but that's all water under 0.91

01:16:05.060 the bridge. Let's keep dealing with them. What does it take? Well, this is the corruption. This

01:16:11.040 is the entrenched ugliness of our Canadian government and system, unfortunately, in that

01:16:16.600 these companies, well, again, SNC-Lavalin, it's a Quebec company. It's French. They're terrified. 0.86

01:16:23.140 They're subsidy whorers. They're much like Bombardier and some of those other constant

01:16:28.460 chronic dependence on Western money. They don't want to take the political fallout of undercutting

01:16:33.960 a Quebec company like that. So SNC-Lavalin, don't worry, guys. The government's still going to keep

01:16:38.600 throwing you money no matter how many times you get found to be corrupt and doing bad things. And

01:16:42.800 as we saw, how far Trudeau will go to protect his political buddies there at SNC-Lavalin because he

01:16:48.360 gets away with it. He got away with it. He got reelected since then. Here's more news on the

01:16:53.960 convoy. You know, this keeps coming out and it's going to be September 19th when those hearings

01:16:57.620 begin. I'm really looking forward to those. They're going to be live broadcast. It's going to be

01:17:02.460 very important to cover those things. And now this is documents are saying federal investigation

01:17:10.660 officials warn decision makers that the police dispersal of Freedom Convoy protesters in Ottawa

01:17:16.000 last winter could prompt an opportunistic attack against a politician or a symbol of government.

01:17:21.000 They're worried that, you know, if you came in with truncheans going and start hammering and 1.00

01:17:24.540 clear them all out that some nut bar is going to be inspired to go out and shoot at somebody or 0.96

01:17:29.180 do something bad. Thankfully, it didn't happen. I mean, they did come out and disperse it.

01:17:33.820 But the fact that there was nobody driven over to such an extreme end is good. And it shows again,

01:17:39.740 that for the most part, even though people were worked up, this was not a case of extreme people.

01:17:46.860 That's the thing that people showing up going out to the convoy protests, they weren't a number of

01:17:50.940 people who went out. Surprise me, these weren't political people. Yet, they went out to that thing

01:17:55.200 and we're getting more and more information. Little by little, the documents are coming in.

01:17:59.920 There was another one, a document that got leaked due to a court challenge about these things

01:18:04.040 that showed that Trudeau warned his own cabinet two days before he invoked the emergency acting,

01:18:09.600 international leaders are worried that we can't get control of the situation. That was part of

01:18:13.120 his inspiration to invoke the emergencies act. We're not supposed to be here to impress your

01:18:18.140 friends on the foreign scene. I mean, another translation for that, of course, is probably

01:18:22.560 World Economic Forum. But that document was also heavily redacted, which means a lot of it was

01:18:27.720 basically blacked out. And we didn't get to see exactly what was going on there. But hopefully,

01:18:32.260 the public inquiry will cover a little more of that. Let's see what else we've got.

01:18:42.720 Just checking the comments. That's why my head keeps turning aside. I know somebody got annoyed

01:18:45.760 with it. Ah, more people talk about Woodwards and things from the past. Yeah, you get those

01:18:49.760 memories, $1.49 day and stuff like that. And yes, somebody else, Tiggy Singh, international

01:18:55.120 leaders, what, WF, yes. Yeah, there's still discussion. I saw that in the CBC about this

01:19:01.960 big groundbreaking thing. This was funny. And it's Giancarlo Carras. He's quite a piece of work,

01:19:07.760 that counselor in Calgary. But his big initiative, which was one I kind of agreed with on him,

01:19:11.860 just allowing people to have a beer in a park and legalizing it.

01:19:16.180 They had to do it through a whole test thing and permits and controlling it

01:19:19.000 and this and everything else to let somebody have a glass of wine

01:19:21.400 or a can of beer in a park.

01:19:23.320 The irony I find in this whole thing was that we're surrounded by guys

01:19:26.760 with needles in their arms and smoking meth and passing out

01:19:29.620 and setting up camp in parks and taking dumps in the middle of the grass.

01:19:33.000 You guys are worried about a law-abiding citizen who wants to sit for a picnic

01:19:36.020 and have a beer or a glass of wine with his wife in the park.

01:19:38.260 Don't worry, they're not going to.

01:19:39.140 They're not going to sit in the park because there's too many junkies to find room.

01:19:41.860 But this sort of shows liberal thinking. We have to be really careful with trustworthy, law-abiding people. We have to regulate the shit out of it. We have to control it. We have to watch for it. It reminds me of with the firearms.

01:19:54.660 You go after the guy who went through the courses, went through the background checks, went through the applications, locks his firearm in a case, has a membership with a firearms shooting range, and follows all those rules to go back and forth and just to shoot at some targets now and then.

01:20:12.000 And that's who the government cracks down on while looking the other way at the gangsters who are shooting the hell out of each other in Toronto on the streets every day with illegal firearms that's smuggled in from the states.

01:20:21.580 It's easier to crack down on the law-abiding.

01:20:25.120 So the government takes the easy route.

01:20:27.120 In Calgary, they're all worried about some person,

01:20:29.680 some people who worked for a living, like I said,

01:20:31.920 went out and legally bought some beer and wine,

01:20:33.980 just want to sit out on a nice day and have that in a park,

01:20:36.900 and they tie themselves in knots

01:20:38.160 while we've got a dystopian nightmare

01:20:40.060 of open hard drug use all around them.

01:20:42.880 Yeah, you guys got your priorities straight.

01:20:44.760 You figured that out.

01:20:45.500 So yeah, this pilot went out

01:20:46.880 with 58 designated picnic spots in Calgary.

01:20:50.660 Yeah, living on the edge, you guys.

01:20:53.420 Pretty groundbreaking.

01:20:54.440 Like I said, I like the initiative.

01:20:55.960 It's just that this shouldn't even be that controversial.

01:20:59.380 This one ought to work some folks up, though.

01:21:01.700 This was the census results.

01:21:04.320 Somebody dug through and realized that the number of Canadians who predominantly speak a language other than English or French hit a record high in 2021.

01:21:10.820 Okay, good.

01:21:11.420 We got a lot of immigrants and everything, and they speak other languages.

01:21:14.000 That's fine.

01:21:14.480 That's cool.

01:21:14.820 But the main thing is French is really dropping.

01:21:18.380 In fact, very few people are speaking French, even in Quebec.

01:21:21.340 Now, we know that our insecure friends in Lebesque province are going to be very upset about this.

01:21:26.080 And they will pressure the government more.

01:21:27.780 I mean, how many decades, though, of them trying to shove French down our throats out here have we done? 1.00

01:21:31.840 And it failed.

01:21:32.720 You know, Western Canada, unless you're in Fallon or McLennan or somewhere up there,

01:21:36.000 we don't have any people who speak French as a first language out here.

01:21:39.000 Very, very few.

01:21:40.120 And very few people can even speak it as a second one.

01:21:42.200 I mean, French was mandatory for me all the way through school.

01:21:44.320 I can barely speak it now.

01:21:45.440 It didn't work, guys.

01:21:46.180 I'm not bilingual.

01:21:47.140 I'm just annoyed.

01:21:47.960 I could have taken better stuff.

01:21:49.660 I could have taken a useful language, like Korean or something.

01:21:55.280 Another report.

01:21:56.920 This is Canada ranks.

01:21:58.660 We've hit a record, but unfortunately, it's at the bottom.

01:22:02.600 And that is, we're the worst in the world when it comes to protecting whistleblowers.

01:22:07.360 Yeah.

01:22:07.940 So there's the Washington-based Government Accountability Project.

01:22:10.680 They rank 61 countries for their whistleblower protection laws.

01:22:14.720 You know, most of you are familiar with that.

01:22:15.880 there are laws that if you're in government or in a privileged position or a powerful position,

01:22:20.900 you see wrongdoing and you want to call it out, but you don't want to lose your job, 0.97

01:22:24.920 your family, your life, all that shit. You need a whistleblowing legislation. You need something 0.96

01:22:28.800 to protect you for blowing the whistle. Well, Canada is the worst in the world. When you got 0.95

01:22:34.160 the worst legislation for that in the world, it means you're probably one of the most corrupted

01:22:36.800 countries in the world too. They definitely do not want to have any civil servants speaking up

01:22:41.800 on the abuse or waste or corruption happening within them. So that put us, we're tied for last

01:22:47.420 with Lebanon and Norway of all places. Norway, kind of interesting too. But again, socialist

01:22:52.460 countries or I guess developing semi-war-turned countries like Lebanon. So yeah, rank based on

01:23:00.520 the ability to report problems, protecting identities, things such as that. So yeah,

01:23:05.120 we're not looking good, guys. It's not looking good. Likewise, speaking of big bloated government

01:23:10.180 programs. This one was good with, you know, the big national daycare thing. I mean, Trudeau's

01:23:14.300 kind of taking the money and then just dumped it on the provinces and said, make it work.

01:23:17.780 And in Ontario, for example, so the clock's ticking. Daycares have to register to be able

01:23:25.460 to qualify for this $10 a day daycare that the government's putting out. So in all of Kingston,

01:23:29.540 the city of Kingston, I'm not sure how big that city is. It's what, a couple hundred thousand,

01:23:33.980 a few hundred thousand. It's got to be quite a few daycare centers. Well, for this $10 daycare

01:23:37.880 in that whole city, less than 10 have actually applied to join that program. So this $10 daycare

01:23:44.660 thing is going to be a complete bust and a failure. The problem is the government won't scrap it. What

01:23:48.540 they're going to do is say, well, if the private industry can't do it with our funding, we'll open

01:23:52.200 up our own government run ones. And well, we've seen how well it works when government runs

01:23:56.480 childcare. Just check out the residential school system. We don't need more government in our 1.00

01:24:01.640 children's lives. We need less, particularly at the young developmental age. Let people choose

01:24:06.220 with private dollars.

01:24:07.000 Either way, that seems to be failing.

01:24:10.040 A lot of news on the Alberta Provincial Police Force.

01:24:12.300 The government's starting to show some plans,

01:24:14.020 some models.

01:24:14.940 People are all worked up.

01:24:15.620 The NDP is saying it's going to be a boondoggle.

01:24:17.840 Possibly.

01:24:18.260 I really hope not.

01:24:19.360 They want to do it right

01:24:20.040 and they want to do it carefully.

01:24:20.980 But some people are saying and pointing out

01:24:22.020 it's going to cost more than the current system.

01:24:23.860 Well, sometimes having something better

01:24:25.620 does cost more.

01:24:26.560 Sometimes it's not just about money.

01:24:28.580 I don't want to see money wasted.

01:24:29.540 I don't want to see a boondoggle.

01:24:31.080 But just because it costs more

01:24:32.180 doesn't mean it's going to be bad.

01:24:33.100 um speaking of the private market jabless jobs i'm going to finish off with that one they've

01:24:39.400 been assisting unvaccinated canadians this is a story jonathan did the other day here

01:24:43.080 and uh this is a company that will hook up unvaccinated canadians uh with companies that

01:24:47.840 don't have mandates this is the way labor can shop around they can be uh met up with with 1.00

01:24:52.820 companies that aren't going to screw them over for not choosing a medication of their choosing

01:24:56.460 so check those guys out jabless jobs this is how because again i you know i i'm not wholly against

01:25:02.100 a company being allowed to set their own rules. I think it's stupid to set those rules and you 0.99

01:25:06.580 might lose some very good workers that way. And you better fire people, you know, within the laws 0.99

01:25:10.980 then if you're getting rid of them, that means giving notice or severance pay. But you know what,

01:25:16.020 if you're losing good staff and they're going to places like this, well then there you go. So

01:25:19.740 check out Jabless Jobs. These guys might have it for you. All right, I'm going to wrap it up,

01:25:23.880 guys. We're wrapping up the week. I got two more episodes coming. I'm really going to focus a lot

01:25:27.360 on our own reporters talk one more time with our western standard folks so tomorrow i got

01:25:32.340 matthew horwood coming in from ottawa we're going to check out what he's doing for stories

01:25:35.980 and our goofy newfie though he is based in alberta arthur green is going to come on and

01:25:41.480 we're going to discuss what he's working on here on the alberta news front and of course i'll have

01:25:45.980 a new rant and we will have some uh other issues and news items to cover in the pipeline of course

01:25:51.180 we'll be coming on tonight that's our weekly show where we talk about a few of the provincial

01:25:55.000 issues with uh derek and dave and myself so thanks for joining in today guys and thanks

01:26:00.040 for the comments and i'll see you all again tomorrow at 11 30 a.m

01:26:25.000 Thank you.

Western Standard - August 18, 2022

Triggered： The denial has to end with the addiction epidemic

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