Western Standard - Triggered： The long-gun registry is back and the Liberal lies have begun

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00:00:30.000 Good morning. It's Friday to the 13th, 2022 of May. Welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan.

00:00:48.120 Well, lots of things to observe, you know, and I'm going to start actually by, you know,

00:00:53.260 apologizing to regular viewers and folks who were on yesterday. We were doing that experiment with

00:00:58.020 Melanie live out on the street talking to people and everything and trying things out. And I still

00:01:02.460 we're going to work more on that because I think it's great to be able to get out and interact.

00:01:05.580 But at the end of the broadcast, we also learned a hard lesson that the person who has the phone

00:01:10.060 on the other end, if they close it out, it shuts off the broadcast. So we sort of cut things short

00:01:14.280 unexpectedly yesterday. Sorry about doing that to y'all. But I was just going to rant about some

00:01:18.380 news a little longer after that. Anyways, we got through most of the good and important stuff.

00:01:23.240 And today for the observances, today is Blame Someone Else Day.

00:01:27.700 That's one of the observances out there, World Blame Someone Else Day.

00:01:30.700 It's held on the first Friday, the 13th of the year.

00:01:33.960 So we've gone all the way till May before we got one.

00:01:36.820 So again, whatever happened yesterday, hey, wasn't my fault.

00:01:40.560 I know it was yesterday, but I'm going to blame someone else for it.

00:01:43.020 Anything that might go wrong today, I'm blaming someone else for that too.

00:01:46.100 Because I've been told to.

00:01:47.140 It's a world observation. 1.00

00:01:48.220 You'd be a fool and insensitive if you didn't do so. 0.98

00:01:51.320 It's also World Cocktail Day, so if blaming other people for your problems and issues hasn't worked out well enough for you, 0.99

00:01:57.080 you can drown your sorrows, and again, you have your excuse for it.

00:02:00.640 It's World Cocktail Day.

00:02:01.880 I mean, you know, I can't observe it, but I'm certain I could have a Shirley Temple or something like that

00:02:06.480 and vicariously enjoy it through others, and for you, get out there and have a drink.

00:02:11.000 Okay, we've got a good show coming up today due to some other circumstances, but it's a nice break on things.

00:02:17.060 Anyways, I had to run out. We had Conservative Party leadership candidate Roman Babber in our studios here at the Western Standard yesterday.

00:02:24.940 We had to record an interview with him, and Melanie Risden recorded that, and it's a really good talk, so we're going to run that in a little bit.

00:02:31.420 We try to do things live when we can, but when it comes to these leadership candidates and people with tight schedules, it's sometimes hard to get them right in on that slot like that.

00:02:39.240 Then we're going to talk to the Western Standard columnist, Trevor Tucker.

00:02:43.400 We're going to talk about the March for Life.

00:02:44.960 We're going to talk about how the abortion issue has hit.

00:02:47.400 Yes, that issue that none of us wants to talk about.

00:02:49.840 I don't really want to talk about it, but it's here.

00:02:51.520 It's happening.

00:02:52.700 It's an issue.

00:02:54.220 It's a sensitive issue, but it's in the headlines, and it's going to be for a while.

00:02:59.420 And he wrote an article talking about at least how the discussion should be allowed.

00:03:02.060 And that's where Trevor and I certainly share common ground.

00:03:03.940 I think we kind of differ ideologically on that issue in itself, but we should be allowed

00:03:08.340 to discuss it.

00:03:09.020 and we're in this cancel culture world right now

00:03:11.120 where people are trying to shut down any discussion

00:03:12.940 on things in general. It's just not the

00:03:15.100 way to go. Let's see, we've got Jim and

00:03:17.020 Red Deer, Lorraine and Sylvan,

00:03:19.200 Baffin Island, Drew, boy, you're up

00:03:21.060 there on the north end at that, Scott and Fort

00:03:22.900 Max Sandy. Hey, guys, it's good to see

00:03:24.940 everybody checking in, Joanne, Ian, all, you know,

00:03:27.020 from across the country. That's that reminders, you

00:03:28.960 know, we get those technical hiccups that I blame someone else

00:03:31.020 for, Maryland and

00:03:32.880 Wilberforce, Ontario, but

00:03:34.880 the live part I love, you know, it comes with these

00:03:36.760 challenges, but we have that interactivity,

00:03:38.700 We can see the audience there.

00:03:40.600 We can see that we're reaching out to people across this country and building that audience.

00:03:44.740 As a Western standard, we didn't actually really anticipate quite as much broad audience,

00:03:49.400 but it's fantastic, and I love it.

00:03:50.660 So I appreciate the check-ins.

00:03:52.020 Keep the comments coming.

00:03:53.000 Keep them civil.

00:03:53.580 Keep the debate going.

00:03:54.920 And let's get on with what I'm going to rant about.

00:03:57.820 So I want to talk about the long gun registry, and it's returned through a backdoor method,

00:04:02.900 And the Liberal government has assigned their top liar, Public Safety Minister Marco Mendocino, to promote it.

00:04:10.840 So, just to give some background on this minister, when he was questioned in committee meetings on the invocation of the Emergencies Act last February,

00:04:17.960 Mendocino simply just kept fabricating lies.

00:04:20.740 Worst of all, he gets away with it.

00:04:23.060 Mendocino claimed there was evidence of potential violence, insurrection, and conspiracy of foreign funding for the trucker's convoy

00:04:29.360 that justified suspending civil rights with the Emergencies Act.

00:04:32.900 he never presented that evidence though there was a claim made by that convoy participants were

00:04:38.660 responsible for an attempted arson incident in ottawa this claim was completely disproven through

00:04:44.180 a police investigation and even after that was disproven despite the proof being presented

00:04:48.740 mendoncino continued his strategy of lies when he told a commons committee at the end of april that

00:04:53.700 the arson attempt was part of the reason they justified the invocation of the act a point of

00:04:58.500 of order was called, but it doesn't really matter. Mendoncino lied, and it's been successfully

00:05:03.100 repeated again and recorded. Mendoncino claimed in February that they had evidence of a large

00:05:08.400 amount of foreign funding for the protest. This was disproven. It was found that he was referring

00:05:12.240 to a CBC story on it that had been retracted because it was BS. And then he claimed no less

00:05:20.020 than 11 lies in the House of Commons as he was asked and kept saying that the police had requested

00:05:26.020 the implementation of the Emergencies Act. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Luckey contradicted this

00:05:31.520 claim. She explained the police never offer such advice. Mendoncino shrugs, carries on,

00:05:37.320 it doesn't matter. This latest lie from Mendoncino is his most offensive. So when defending the new

00:05:43.040 liberal long gun registry, Mendoncino said that the previous liberal government long gun registry

00:05:47.440 aided police in apprehending Mark Lapine after the Montreal massacre. Now, to begin with, Lapine

00:05:54.460 blew his wretched evil brains out after he slaughtered the 14 innocent women. The police 0.99

00:05:59.600 didn't need any help in apprehending him. Secondly, the gun registry didn't even exist

00:06:04.920 until 1995, that's six years after Lapine's crime. Mendocino simply pulled the statement out of his

00:06:11.840 ass, and he used one of the worst tragedies in Canadian history in order to do it. He just 1.00

00:06:16.700 doesn't care. So what's going to happen? Nothing. He's been lying chronically for months, years

00:06:22.260 probably in his career his career is doing just fine so why stop now so let's get on to that why

00:06:28.340 are the liberals at this you know the liberals have been trying to take firearms away from law 0.77

00:06:31.620 abiding citizens for decades the long gun registry from the 1990s was implemented by the chretchen

00:06:37.300 government and justice minister alan rock it was an expensive divisive debacle and it never had any

00:06:42.740 impact on crime prevention and despite liberal claims at that time again they got a long history

00:06:47.940 of lies, that the registry would cost, oh, about $100 million. Costs ballooned over $2 billion

00:06:53.320 by the time the program was scrapped. The system was terribly organized and inefficient. It's

00:06:59.100 estimated at some points that they never managed to register more than 60% of the long guns in

00:07:02.980 Canada, even though they were at it for, what, over 10 years, I believe, and that many of those

00:07:07.360 entries were incorrect. The records in the registry were supposed to be destroyed, but they likely

00:07:12.080 never were. It was evident that the RCMP were using old registry records when they smashed into

00:07:16.980 multiple homes during the 2013 floods in High River and stole people's firearms. It was clear

00:07:21.820 that they've been targeting specific households in their searches, and it's rather tough to do

00:07:25.320 that without some kind of list of where these firearms are. When asked about the issue some

00:07:29.700 years ago, Justin Trudeau said he would never enact another long gun registry. Well, guess what?

00:07:35.500 He lied. The registry's back, and the only difference is they've dumped the onus on firearm

00:07:40.080 owners and dealers. Even if you transfer a firearm to a relative, you're going to be forced to

00:07:44.500 contact the RCMP and register the transaction, along with personal information about yourself

00:07:48.740 and the person you transfer to, and of course, the serial number of the firearm. That's called

00:07:51.940 a registry, people. All private dealers, they're going to be obligated to record any transactions

00:07:56.300 in full detail with the personal information of the person buying it, and they'll be obligated

00:08:00.460 to provide that information to police at request any time, even if they don't have a warrant.

00:08:06.360 The liberals are saying this isn't a registry. What else is it? Of course it's a registry,

00:08:10.160 and it's going to be as expensive and ineffective as the last one, but this is where it gets more

00:08:14.360 sneaky. This is where it gets more odious. We can see this time the expense is all going to be put

00:08:18.600 on the private dealers. It's going to be put on the individuals. And it still will be ineffective.

00:08:24.920 So why did they keep pushing on this? Why are they so hell-bent on registering firearms?

00:08:28.780 The answer is simple. They want to steal them. You can't effectively take away people's property

00:08:33.820 unless you know who has it and where it is. A registry is the first step. When the goal is to

00:08:38.740 disarm all law-abiding citizens, a registry is the way you have to go. Rest assured, if and when

00:08:44.340 the government feels confident they've registered enough long guns, they will illegalize and seize

00:08:49.400 them. The Liberals will deny this. And this happened in Australia already, by the way. We've

00:08:52.660 got precedent on this. And the Liberals will deny this when we ask them about it. But did I mention

00:08:58.580 they have something of a propensity for lying? Legally owned long guns barely make a statistical

00:09:03.540 blip when it comes to firearm crimes in Canada. The vast majority of violent firearm crimes are

00:09:09.120 committed with handguns that have been stolen or are smuggled across the border. The Liberal

00:09:13.260 government in Canada is an ideologically driven authoritarian regime. They have no interest in

00:09:18.140 individual rights. Of course, they don't like seeing citizens armed. Not that there's some

00:09:21.740 revolution pending. They just don't like it. The only way to stop these guys is going to be to run

00:09:25.800 them out of office. And I'm unsure if that's ever going to happen because so many Central Canadian 1.00

00:09:30.280 voters appear to like being lied to. That leaves the independence option as the last one on the

00:09:35.160 table for the West. But in the meantime, better iron your garden, guys. It's starting to rust.

00:09:40.460 All right, so let's start on some lying and some of the other terms others have used.

00:09:46.260 And cut to somebody who tells the truth most confidently, our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:09:50.760 Hey, how's it going, Dave?

00:09:51.980 It's going well, Corey.

00:09:53.000 Hey, do you suffer from trichodecaphobia?

00:09:56.180 From what?

00:09:58.160 Trichodecaphobia, fear of Friday the 13th.

00:10:01.460 Oh, okay.

00:10:02.180 No, I don't suffer from a fear of that one.

00:10:04.580 I like observing it.

00:10:05.460 Okay, I got all sorts of fears and phobias and neuroses, but that's not one of them,

00:10:08.440 thankfully.

00:10:09.500 And here's the way I'm looking at it.

00:10:11.100 I don't suffer from it either.

00:10:13.100 But it is Friday the 13th.

00:10:15.340 And you know what else is number 13, Corey?

00:10:17.820 The back of Johnny Hockey's jersey.

00:10:20.860 He's number 13.

00:10:22.580 He got snubbed for the finalists in the Hart Trophy yesterday.

00:10:27.840 So I think that's going to be enough to spur him on

00:10:31.340 and the rest of the Calgary Flames on to a mighty victory tonight in Dallas

00:10:36.420 and bring on the winner of Edmonton and Los Angeles.

00:10:41.300 So, go Flames, go.

00:10:42.960 Well, let's hope it's a lucky 13.

00:10:44.600 And yeah, they could put this one to bed and get some rest

00:10:46.520 and get ready for the next series.

00:10:49.280 But again, don't count those chickens yet.

00:10:51.480 Nope, that's for sure.

00:10:52.640 Going to be a lot of Game 7s on Saturday nights.

00:10:55.920 So, hopefully not ours on the next night.

00:10:58.760 So, lots of news going on, Corey.

00:11:01.120 Pope Francis announced this morning he's coming to Alberta.

00:11:04.880 It's been 38 years since the Pope has been to Alberta.

00:11:08.460 That's when Pope John Paul II held just a massive, massive mass, massive mass.

00:11:14.720 That's a good alliteration.

00:11:16.460 Up in Edmonton.

00:11:17.820 And he'll be coming again sometime in July, visiting Quebec City, Edmonton, and the Calicoite.

00:11:23.060 And this is sort of his apology tour for the Catholic Church's rule in residential schools.

00:11:30.800 Very significant ruling, Corey, this morning out of the Supreme Court of Canada, our Mel Risden is covering.

00:11:38.140 They have ruled that extreme intoxication, extreme drunkenness or stoned out of your brain is an excuse for rape and murder.

00:11:47.580 So, yeah, I mean, it's kind of mind boggling, but that's what they've ruled.

00:11:52.280 Other stuff, Daniel Smith's morning show talking about UCP balloting and Jason Kenney's leadership is still up there on our main page.

00:12:04.300 As is, you remember the boring CBC federal leaders debate in the 2021 leadership or 2021 federal election, Corey?

00:12:15.800 The boss of that says, yeah, it was pretty bad and we're going to do better next time.

00:12:22.280 uh we've got a story on uh covid uh cases uh decreasing in saskatchewan that's from our

00:12:29.720 saskatchewan reporter christopher old corn and uh but they're not decreasing in north korea corey

00:12:35.400 uh matthew horwood's gonna have a story up very shortly on uh uh despite uh going two years

00:12:41.320 without a single case the uh the hermit kingdom is now uh getting hit hard by uh hard by covid so

00:12:48.040 So that's what we've got up at the moment.

00:12:51.080 We've got lots of stuff to come this afternoon.

00:12:53.020 And, yeah, one final time.

00:12:54.740 Go, Flames, go.

00:12:56.000 You bet.

00:12:56.580 Well, I appreciate the update.

00:12:58.000 I hope all that 13 talk hasn't actually cursed Johnny Goodreau,

00:13:01.860 but I'm sure we'll all be glued to our TVs tonight to see if he can pull it off.

00:13:06.980 We certainly will.

00:13:07.780 And there's going to be thousands of people down at the Red Lot

00:13:11.980 watching it on the Stampede grounds.

00:13:14.160 and I'm sure a good number of them

00:13:15.940 will be celebrating down the Red Mile.

00:13:18.200 So it's going to be a busy night on the Red Mile.

00:13:21.780 Right on.

00:13:22.360 Well, thanks for the check-in, Dave.

00:13:23.620 I will see you after the show.

00:13:25.640 You bet, Corey.

00:13:27.340 So yes, lots on the burner.

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00:15:11.460 just getting onto that, you know, just something I ranted about a little while ago and a few days

00:15:14.880 back was personal responsibility. You know, that's where the left and right fell apart a lot.

00:15:23.080 It gets back to that blame someone else day, I guess, thing, you know, going on. I mean,

00:15:26.540 I talked about that laughingly, but some people make a lifestyle of it.

00:15:29.240 and our system really fits to take away all personal responsibility on every other level.

00:15:37.900 So we've got a Supreme Court ruling today, as Dave mentioned.

00:15:41.840 Being drunk is a defense for rape and murder, according to the Supreme Court.

00:15:46.620 This was brought in, this was an overturning kind of in a sense, I guess.

00:15:50.680 The courts had ruled that it's not a defense some years ago,

00:15:53.540 but I guess advocates for drunk murders and rapists were effective in pushing long enough

00:15:58.980 to say, no, it is now a defense again.

00:16:02.820 You know, I didn't even,

00:16:04.800 is being drunk a defense for vehicular manslaughter

00:16:07.400 when you ram into pedestrians whilst drunk and driving?

00:16:10.880 I don't think it is, but maybe it is now.

00:16:14.220 And rape, really?

00:16:16.420 Again, I was always taught, you know,

00:16:18.300 rightly that the no means no,

00:16:20.120 and it doesn't matter whether that,

00:16:21.620 particularly if the victim is drunk

00:16:23.280 and whether you're drunk yourself,

00:16:24.960 there's no consent to be had.

00:16:26.240 but where where did they get this where is there any responsibility i'm sorry that you know lots

00:16:33.580 of people get drunk a lot of times i drank very heavily for for quite a few years i've been open 0.90

00:16:38.080 about that i don't drink anymore but you know what with all the stupid things i've done i got

00:16:42.040 thrown in a drunk tank for peeing in an inappropriate spot i uh got in many fights with uh you know 0.76

00:16:47.500 verbally with uh significant others i annoyed people i barfed inappropriately never once did

00:16:53.120 I rape or murder anybody. Most people who drink don't, thankfully. It's not an excuse. If somebody

00:17:00.100 gets drunk and rapes or murders somebody, they are dangerous and something is wrong with them.

00:17:04.620 And it doesn't matter if they were drunk or not. But apparently our luminaries on the Supreme Court

00:17:08.780 think, yeah, I don't know, maybe we'll let that off the hook. It's a defense. This is insane.

00:17:14.700 This is insane. And I'm certain some, again, defense lawyers for, you know, rapists and

00:17:21.580 murderers are rubbing their hands together, you know. So I guess, and I'm certainly not

00:17:25.440 counseling anybody to commit a crime, but would criminals start thinking about that? You know,

00:17:28.780 if I can manage to chug a bottle of Jack Daniels before doing something dastardly, I will have my

00:17:35.480 excuse in the bag already as to why I did it, and I'll have my defense in place. And again,

00:17:40.000 we're not talking about somebody using that as an excuse to pee on the door of a 7-Eleven like

00:17:45.200 some guy did in Calgary in 91. I'm talking about rapes and murders. So this is the court. This

00:17:53.500 is the ones that, again, as we were talking about, we were celebrating the Alberta Appeals

00:17:57.120 Court shooting down the Trudeau's No More Pipelines Bill, Bill C-69. And now it's going

00:18:03.380 to go to the Supreme Court. And I did say my rant about the other day, I don't hold a lot of the

00:18:08.140 confidence that the Supreme Court is going to uphold this. I mean, the same thing happened

00:18:13.140 before. The provincial court ruled against the carbon tax, but the Supreme Court held it up.

00:18:19.500 And now we've got a Supreme Court of people who actually think that it's okay to, well,

00:18:23.460 I'm not saying it's okay, but they're saying it's a valid defense for rape and murder if you're

00:18:28.780 intoxicated, if you're drunk. These are not the kind of minds I feel confident are going to

00:18:33.320 understand the constitutionality of our provincial jurisdiction when it comes to pipelines and such.

00:18:42.600 this is just beyond the pale. But again, I don't know. It's hard to be surprised anymore.

00:18:48.500 What's this June Marie saying? She's enjoying her Wild Rose subscription, though still misses

00:18:52.600 the old school newsprint. So do I, you know? I mean, you still couldn't beat the old paper copy

00:18:58.020 of a newspaper. You know, you get work, you'd be on break time, have a coffee, flip those pages.

00:19:01.680 If we're going far enough back, I'd be having a cigarette while I'm at it. You know, you did that

00:19:05.280 smell of the newsprint and flipping it and seeing the larger stories, the small. It's quite a

00:19:09.260 reminiscence and a good way to read, but those days are gone. As you know, oh, sorry, Adam. Yeah,

00:19:14.320 it was. Yeah, you were the guy working in the 7-Eleven, were you? Okay. I'm sorry to traumatize

00:19:19.100 you. As you know, then it was a small infraction in some ways. Either way, the newspapers now,

00:19:26.080 I mean, I was shocked when I saw one in a 7-Eleven. You know, I was behaving going into one for coffee

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00:21:29.080 So let's get on to the guest. And as I said, because of some other things that happened,

00:21:34.540 it was an interview done by Melanie, but that's great. She does fantastic interviews.

00:21:38.800 And she spoke with conservative party leader, Canada, Canada, party of Canada,

00:21:46.860 Roman Babber. And let's run that. And we will talk a little bit about the interview after that.

00:21:52.440 I'm Melanie Risden with the Western Standard and this comes on the heels of the CPC leadership

00:21:59.960 debate. The first one that happened so far in Edmonton on Wednesday and joining me right now

00:22:06.600 is one of the leadership candidates, Roman Babber, and he is joining us to just talk a little bit

00:22:13.560 about some of his positions on some of the topics that are affecting Canadians these days and just

00:22:21.560 to let us know a little bit more about what we can expect from him if he's voted in as the

00:22:27.660 Conservative Party of Canada's leader. So thoughts on the debate. I've heard a lot of reaction on

00:22:34.800 the debate that it was strange. In fact, some people have called it the worst political debate

00:22:41.040 as far as the formalities and how it was put together. What were your thoughts on that debate?

00:22:47.180 I think that Tom Clark, the moderator, certainly lost. I think it's regretful that there was so

00:22:54.460 much emphasis at getting so many quick answers in there as opposed to actually allowing candidates

00:23:01.820 to express themselves. There's not much you can say in 15 seconds. And also the idea that somehow

00:23:10.140 they had to control effectively the the manner of the conversation and that is not to stray

00:23:18.300 into some sort of direction seems counterintuitive uh when you want to try and get to know the

00:23:24.300 candidates and this goes on the heels of of the north strong and free debate from the week before

00:23:30.780 that was deemed by the media to be nasty and so what what they try to do is they try to steer us

00:23:37.260 in a civil direction but even if a candidate was uncivil then you perhaps you should know that

00:23:43.100 um as you as you go into vote so it's regret actually a really good point so it's regretful

00:23:48.940 that uh we've heard so much from the moderator and less from the candidates uh you know agreed

00:23:54.540 and i i think from the viewer's standpoint what i saw a lot of the um sort of you know

00:24:01.500 um little personal tidbits interesting for sure but i think a lot of people would argue they

00:24:07.900 would have preferred to hear more on on the opinions of uh topics that are very near and

00:24:15.100 dear to a lot of canadians uh hearts and minds right now i i thought i did well i i thought our

00:24:20.620 campaign did well i enjoyed the debate um and uh despite the moderator and the rules and uh i think

00:24:29.100 uh again this is now a second debate that i've participated in the last two weeks and um our

00:24:34.860 campaign is is feeling very very positive about the way that uh they went and i'm glad that i'm

00:24:40.700 able to take my message directly to canadians instead of it being filtered well i would

00:24:46.220 definitely say that your stance on uh many topics actually i think uh i think are of interest to

00:24:55.900 specifically western Canadians and Albertans alike. Our own columnist Linda Slobodian spoke

00:25:02.700 with you and she called you the only actual conservative running as a candidate. What are

00:25:08.700 your thoughts on that statement? It's a kind thing of Linda to say and in fact I said this yesterday

00:25:14.860 during the debate. I said that we should not be afraid to communicate who we are and that's a key

00:25:20.620 to winning any election is that voters must perceive uh credibility and and that means being

00:25:27.020 genuine about our positions and and we can't be afraid and and run to the right during the

00:25:33.020 leadership and then pivot to the left during the general i have proposed that we should take some

00:25:38.620 bold stances on on a number of issues that conservatives have been afraid to take on

00:25:43.660 for instance as as you may know um i have uh proposed that i will abolish equalization

00:25:49.580 i i don't think that it makes sense that we continue this culture of dependency anymore

00:25:54.220 i'm not satisfied that the constitutional standard assuming that it is a firm standard even to begin

00:25:59.580 with is met whereby provinces are unable to maintain comparable level of services

00:26:04.940 uh and and if they're not then i would like to understand why not and perhaps empower them um

00:26:11.100 by way primarily of natural resources to be able to provide those services i'm glad that we're

00:26:16.220 talking about supply management. I'm glad that finally the party has come around and passports

00:26:21.580 and mandates are referred to as 21st century segregation. I think that a lot of Canadians

00:26:27.020 expect the Conservative Party to stand up for them, something that they failed to do for the

00:26:31.580 last two years. And by being firm and being who we are, I think will appeal to many more Canadians.

00:26:38.860 And speaking of some of those controversial areas where you've come out loud and clear,

00:26:45.260 is your stance on the mandate uh and of course that um you know leading to you being ousted from

00:26:51.580 the uh doug ford conservative government in ontario why is this such an important topic

00:26:58.300 to you this this idea of the of standing against the mandates and you have said very clearly that

00:27:04.060 if you are voted in you would work to um to have them all gone well i think to make a human being

00:27:15.180 choose between their ability to put food on the table and their personal health is inhumane we

00:27:22.060 have never forced anyone to do anything against their will and make someone choose between their

00:27:28.300 ability to feed their family is not much of a choice and for the record we all still agree

00:27:33.820 that it is a choice and surely the the science no longer backs that up we know that according

00:27:40.540 to most medical officers and even the manufacturer, two shots offer minimal protection against

00:27:46.120 infection. So any suggestion that someone's risk of transmission is higher because the rate of

00:27:52.960 infection is higher is now off the table. No one's putting anyone at risk. I always thought that it

00:27:58.860 was a very hateful proposition, one that we should oppose clearly. Instead of just thumping our chest

00:28:04.660 and yelling freedom, we can articulate a sensible and moderate position and convince a lot of

00:28:09.460 Canadians that are not sure about this, but just to, if I may, to clarify, I was not removed by Doug

00:28:15.940 Ford over my stance on the mandates. I was removed much earlier in January 2021 over my opposition

00:28:23.040 to the lockdowns. I published an open letter to the Premier, Premier Ford, whose government I

00:28:30.640 served in at the time, that we should factor in the toll of our public health response, namely the

00:28:37.580 lockdowns into um and the risk thereof into the total equation because it became very clear that

00:28:46.500 the mental health tour and in particular the health toll of the lockdowns was um very very

00:28:52.800 significant for instance ontario missed more than delayed or canceled more than 300 000 surgeries

00:28:59.300 uh we had more than a million cancer screenings missed we see the same picture throughout the

00:29:03.640 country. And so it's regretful that at the expense of, instead of focusing protection on vulnerable

00:29:10.420 population and congregate settings and building healthcare capacity, we'll log down 35 million

00:29:17.060 Canadians and potentially make them sick. Right. Well, thanks for clarifying that.

00:29:23.060 And speaking of, you know, you already brought up equalization and again, another polarizing

00:29:30.460 topic and and uh one that i think i wouldn't mind you touching on a little bit more i mean we're

00:29:36.700 you're saying that if you were elected um you would end all equalization payments in the

00:29:42.460 country by the end of your first term um now alberta so speaking to albertans in edmonton

00:29:49.180 on wednesday uh you know alberta is one of the provinces that transfers likely the most amount

00:29:56.620 across the country when it comes to equalization payments and a lot of that obviously comes from

00:30:03.260 the development of the oil and gas sector here which you know comparatively when you look at

00:30:08.780 say quebec who chooses not to um to develop their oil and gas uh and and then receive

00:30:17.180 the equalization payments sort of feels like this that that um you know it it creates that uh

00:30:23.980 as you referred to it, that dependency. Why don't you speak a little bit more to that

00:30:31.820 and how you see it being a priority to change and what you would propose?

00:30:41.500 Thank you. Well, first of all, to begin with, I believe that our natural resources are a blessing

00:30:46.940 and I'm not going to let oil and gas be canceled. Development of natural resources is not just

00:30:53.900 is good for our strategic interest and our economic bottom line i think it's good for the

00:30:59.660 planet because canadians can derive energy cleaner and safer than any other nation in the world but

00:31:09.580 to go back to equalization equalization in and of itself is basically redistribution

00:31:15.100 you take from one and you give to the other and many of your viewers might know that i was born

00:31:21.420 the soviet union and in in fact it's it's because of my place of origin that i'm so passionate

00:31:28.540 about canada's democracy and very very worried about its erosion which is probably the primary

00:31:34.940 reason why i'm in this race and and why i'd like to lead the conservative party in our country to

00:31:39.820 restore canada's democracy but comparable to that regime of redistribution is equalization payments

00:31:47.580 and i think it's not just unfair to canadians who pay into um equalization it also discourages

00:31:57.900 productivity uh research and development it discourages production and i don't think that

00:32:04.620 we should be holding canadians back i think that we should do the opposite one of the themes of my

00:32:09.820 campaign is to let people work and that means that we should not stand in the way of canadians

00:32:14.540 working but to encourage them to work and we i'm i'm heartened i'm happy to see that there are a

00:32:20.700 lot of voices that in fact receive equalization that are in favor of abolish it for instance

00:32:26.300 premier higgins in new brunswick a couple years ago he came out and said maybe instead of

00:32:31.580 equalization we should be developing our natural resources and that's precisely what i'm proposing

00:32:36.780 i think that there is no reason why canada should not be a natural resources superpower

00:32:43.260 and I'm very excited about charting that path by ending equalization.

00:32:53.100 So having said that, then your thoughts on the carbon tax. What's your stance on that and

00:33:00.780 do we do away with it? Do we reform it? What does that look like for you?

00:33:04.300 I will repeal the carbon tax on day one. Canada is responsible for 1.5% of all global emissions.

00:33:11.900 Even if we were to cut all of them, there is no clear evidence that that would make any

00:33:17.340 material difference.

00:33:18.960 All that the carbon tax does is make life more expensive.

00:33:23.440 And I don't believe, with respect to all of my friends, that taxing Sally 10 bucks at

00:33:29.980 the gas pump and on everything she buys at the store will somehow change the climate.

00:33:35.640 And so I would propose that we do away with it completely and we do not hinder Canadian

00:33:44.300 opportunity.

00:33:45.300 And at the same time, cost of living is something that is very, very important to many Canadians

00:33:50.540 right now.

00:33:53.540 Produce has tripled in the last couple of years, meat is up, everything is so, so expensive.

00:33:58.540 I'd like to find ways to make life more affordable for Canadians.

00:34:02.540 So does that then, you know, and I was actually just going to ask you that, how we can as

00:34:08.140 a country try to find these ways to make life more affordable, soaring inflation, you know,

00:34:15.040 housing crisis because of the cost of housing, you know, with the carbon tax, but what more?

00:34:21.400 What more can we do?

00:34:22.780 Absolutely.

00:34:23.780 So for instance, with the money that I intend to save from equalization, I propose an income

00:34:29.080 tax cut.

00:34:30.580 equalization was about 21 billion dollars uh that would be a material tax cut across the

00:34:35.940 board for all canadians um i would also propose that the best thing we can do to stop runaway

00:34:42.980 inflation other than stop the printing of money we have accumulated half a trillion worth of debt

00:34:49.540 in the last two years with nothing to show for we didn't build a single hospital we didn't hire a

00:34:53.940 single nurse um it's it's very regretful but beyond that we have to appreciate that we have a

00:35:03.380 a major supply chain disruption by virtue of the lockdowns something that no candidate in this race

00:35:09.940 other than myself has been willing to point out we stopped the global supply chain at its tracks

00:35:14.980 a couple of times got demand going a couple of times and our market is in a disequilibrium

00:35:19.140 And so providing some certainty to the market that we're not shutting down again will immediately

00:35:25.060 go a long way to restoring this equilibrium and the printing of money, repeal the carbon tax,

00:35:33.140 give folks an income tax cut, and perhaps we should revisit the way government does business.

00:35:40.260 I'm going to propose the capping of spending, discretionary spending to the rate of inflation.

00:35:44.500 There are a lot of things we can actually do.

00:35:46.020 So would you say that that is the most pressing issue for Canadians right now,

00:35:51.700 or what stands out to you as the most important issue right now?

00:35:57.380 I think that the most important issue and the greatest threat to Canada right now is the

00:36:00.820 erosion of Canada's democracy. And I believe that it's very, very real. We have a law making its way

00:36:08.900 through Parliament looking to censor speech. We have a good percentage of Canadians, 15 to 20

00:36:16.980 percent of Canadians, that are treated like second-class citizens and are unable to participate

00:36:23.220 fully in society, travel freely, enter and exit Canada freely, or potentially many of them have

00:36:31.140 already or are afraid to lose their jobs. We have a federal government that invokes the successor

00:36:37.860 of the war measures act the emergencies act when it nowhere nearly meets the letter of the law

00:36:44.820 um seizing of bank accounts without a court order this is an unprecedented assault on canada's

00:36:51.300 democracy and money without democracy we don't have anything you can't have a strong economy

00:36:56.820 you can't have certainty of property you can't have investor confidence to develop our natural

00:37:01.300 resources without certainty in our democracy and i as i said to you i was born in a communist regime

00:37:07.780 And I know how precious Canada's democracy is.

00:37:11.380 That is my first priority is to defend, restore Canada's democracy.

00:37:16.820 Now, I know that you are, as I mentioned, you have your position on many things is

00:37:22.260 appealing to Albertans.

00:37:23.700 What do you say to the Albertans in this growing movement of separation?

00:37:32.180 I got to keep you here.

00:37:33.300 and um i've had a number of these conversations with my friends in alberta over the last couple

00:37:39.560 of days and i understand that there's this desire to potentially for more independence

00:37:47.220 but i'm i'm going to do a couple of things first of all i'm going to fully um unleash

00:37:54.300 your economic potential by by working with you at allowing further ways to develop your natural

00:38:00.060 resources i will repeal the anti-pipeline bill on day one makes sense it's so much safer to transpond

00:38:09.500 oil by pipe than than train i would think that anyone that cares about the environment would

00:38:16.700 prefer a pipeline over a train i'm going to repeal equalization and most importantly

00:38:24.220 i'm a politician from ontario and i know how many of them think and how folks in quebec think

00:38:30.060 I think that the political class needs to appreciate that there is life outside of Ontario and Quebec, and I need to bring you into the national conversation.

00:38:41.860 And I start doing that by bringing Conservative members from Western Canada and the Maritimes and Atlantic Canada into the conversation.

00:38:51.640 I hope to do everything possible to maintain unity within our party and our country.

00:38:56.660 And pollsters do say that for you to win, it would feel like a long shot.

00:39:04.660 What are your thoughts on that? If you aren't successful, what are your plans there?

00:39:10.660 What do you have to say to the people who say it's a long shot for you?

00:39:14.660 Our campaign keeps exceeding expectations.

00:39:16.660 First, there was some question as to whether my application would be approved,

00:39:20.660 given that I was asked to leave a provincial caucus. We got approved.

00:39:25.100 Then there was a question as to whether I'll be able to make it onto the ballot

00:39:28.060 by raising the $300,000 plus the $60,000 tax on top of the fee.

00:39:34.280 And so we have.

00:39:35.760 We raised the money, and now I'm on the final ballot.

00:39:39.720 I've now participated in two debates,

00:39:42.200 and by all accounts, I've done really well in the debates,

00:39:45.120 and more and more voters are seeing that there's another credible option here.

00:39:49.900 And finally, I anticipate that we're going to, in addition to exceeding expectations, I'm looking to unite democracy-loving Canadians, and that includes the freedom movement, that is not entirely settled as to where it's going to go, but we have made a lot of headway with freedom.

00:40:10.560 And I'm confident this is going to propel us to a good result on first ballot, which

00:40:16.720 may translate into the climbing up as we continue along the ballots. So we love exceeding expectations

00:40:24.240 and we love to be considered the underdog as well. So rising to the occasion. And if you are not

00:40:31.680 successful, will you consider running for the Conservative Party on the federal level?

00:40:37.440 you know what would be your plans moving forward I'm not sure yeah you know a lot of thought that

00:40:44.160 I haven't thought that through okay I like to joke and it's true Melanie I I don't really love

00:40:48.740 I don't really like politics and I've enjoyed I was very very blessed in private practice practicing

00:40:55.620 law before I was elected I practiced for 12 years it's it's better for you know for the paycheck

00:41:02.100 It's better for your privacy and certainly my loved ones.

00:41:06.440 Politics is very, very taxing, especially the last couple of years and everything that I've been blessed to experience.

00:41:14.380 So I don't want to make a prediction.

00:41:17.200 I am committed to being competitive in this race and we're in it to win it.

00:41:23.060 All right.

00:41:24.300 You are in Alberta for how long?

00:41:26.720 What's your next stop?

00:41:28.760 Where are you heading?

00:41:29.960 We're going to hang around Calgary.

00:41:32.100 for the day. Then we may stop in Red Deer on our way back to Edmonton. I have an event

00:41:40.580 scheduled in Edmonton. We're going to meet some folks there as well tomorrow and probably

00:41:46.140 head back to Ontario on the weekend.

00:41:49.240 Well, thank you for filling us in a little bit more in depth than people were able to

00:41:55.280 hear at the debate on Wednesday. Again, Conservative Party of Canada candidate Roman Bavard joining

00:42:01.980 us in studio today thanks for watching thank you so much yeah that was uh roman babber in studio

00:42:13.180 with with melanie risden with the western standard i appreciate her stepping in for me when i had to

00:42:18.220 step out there yesterday as far as candidates go you know mr babber i i found he he stood out he

00:42:25.980 he's uh as melanie kind of implied towards the end a little tough but you know he's a bit of a long

00:42:30.380 shot and he remains so but i think he's taken a lot more seriously now than he was even when he

00:42:35.360 was first kicking the tires for running for the leadership coming from the ontario legislature

00:42:40.100 he's not known too terribly much outside of there but i think during the debates people have seen

00:42:44.500 that this is a guy who's rational he's he's uh calm he's got answers he's got ideas and a lot of

00:42:52.640 what uh melanie asked at the end which is a tough question saying you know if you don't win what are

00:42:57.760 you going to do? Because people do wonder about that. But I hope he sticks around because they

00:43:03.100 need good, solid minds and caucus no matter who wins it. You know, that's part of the problem

00:43:07.560 you get in these races. They get so vitriolic or they insist on, you know, the person who wants to 1.00

00:43:13.140 be in the lead and can't seem to live with not being in the lead, you know, or not running the

00:43:20.320 party. You lose some good people that way. And if they can swallow their pride a bit and hang in

00:43:25.120 there they could still be very productive and hey uh babber as you can see as a young man

00:43:29.000 he could be running for the leadership uh down the road whenever the next conservative leader

00:43:33.160 is finished too and again i don't want to rule him out who knows the race is young and he could

00:43:37.660 continue to gain steam so he's going to be doing apparently an event in red deer or edmonton today

00:43:41.940 and he's covering ground and making the rounds there i mean another thing with him and uh people

00:43:49.320 I've worked with the people I know, there are no, you know, few better advocates for freedoms

00:43:55.660 and, you know, small government and getting government out of your hair than people who

00:44:01.520 grew up and were born in the Eastern Bloc in Eastern Europe back when it was still communist

00:44:06.180 and socialist state out there. They've seen firsthand just how bad it can be, how bad it 0.82

00:44:11.180 can get, and they see the warning signs. And that's why very often we get some very strong

00:44:15.380 conservative politicians and activists who had immigrated to Canada from Eastern Europe back

00:44:22.040 when those times were that bad. So yeah, that was Roman Babber. And I'm going to be speaking with

00:44:27.000 Scott Aitchison soon too, and I'll be interviewing him. And that will be the last of like, that will

00:44:31.760 mean I've interviewed all six of the candidates. Roman had spoken to me about a month ago as well

00:44:37.040 on the show. And we're going to keep covering that race as it develops. It's a long one. We're

00:44:41.800 going all the way till September 10th there. Getting onto the federal front going further.

00:44:47.380 So this is something, yeah, I think Dave mentioned it. The NDP and liberals, some MPs are calling or

00:44:53.460 wondering if measures are needed to stop political protests. This is a bad road we're going down,

00:44:58.700 guys. So I guess there was a couple incidents where there was a lot of swearing loud, I'll say

00:45:03.800 rude people. I mean, I don't think protesters do themselves any favors when they surround a

00:45:10.200 politician's car and go all haywire and screaming like a bunch of lunatics. But they have the right

00:45:15.240 to do it. If they're not getting physical, they're not putting the person at real risk or things like

00:45:20.620 that. I mean, let's work on changing the atmosphere and the environment as to why people feel driven

00:45:26.000 to such extremes when they protest. And it's certainly, these days, I guess you could say

00:45:30.680 it's kind of conservatives who are doing that protest, but the left, hey, there was no shortage

00:45:34.220 of them and their screaming protests in the past as well or currently. So going down the road,

00:45:39.680 though, do we really want, I mean, look what we did to the right of protest this year already last

00:45:44.540 winter. And these lefties who are calling for more controls on it don't seem to understand.

00:45:49.580 This is going to turn against you. You know, when you infringe upon the rights of others,

00:45:54.340 eventually that gets turned on you. You won't always have a liberal NDP coalition in Ottawa.

00:46:00.180 It's going to feel like it's there forever. Oh, I assure you that, but it won't be. And you start

00:46:04.820 putting in changes like this, another government down the road is going to use that to turn it

00:46:09.900 against you. And at least the right of protest, assembly, expression, speech, these are essential

00:46:17.420 base rights, and we can't let them be eroded just because some people have been unfortunately

00:46:22.440 abusive with it. I don't think Singh and some of his supporters really understand what they're

00:46:27.700 asking for. You know, look at how badly, I mean, look at how many good things came about from free

00:46:33.140 expression and protests. And some of those protests got out of control. I mean, you know,

00:46:37.560 the civil rights movement in the United States, that was from the outside, you know, fighting

00:46:42.280 to end the racial segregation and then to allow, you know, schools to have mixed children within

00:46:49.300 them, things like that. Those protests often broke local laws at that time. Those protests

00:46:55.500 got out of control. Sometimes those protests got a bit violent. Sometimes there were small riots,

00:46:59.580 but it led to a good end and there was no other way for people to express themselves at that time

00:47:05.720 they couldn't just go to the ballot box and reverse those Jim Crow laws so we can't underestimate

00:47:12.880 how important it is even if you don't like the message of some of the protesters sometimes the

00:47:16.840 protesters are kooky sometimes they are out of control sometimes they're going too far you have

00:47:22.380 to accept that because it's just too risky to start cracking down and start to try and cherry

00:47:29.120 pick which are legitimate protests, which aren't, and start infringing on those rights that are so

00:47:33.920 very important. So, I mean, if I do have any message to put out to people as well, I mean,

00:47:39.860 it's not just with these progressives foolishly calling for more infringement on the individual's

00:47:45.000 rights of expression and protest, but also I would for the people who think that going out

00:47:49.760 and going haywire and swearing at and surrounding politicians' cars as they did with Singh and

00:47:55.460 doing that, you're not doing anybody any favors either, guys. I mean, I'm no friend of Jagmeet

00:48:00.400 Singh or his ideology, but that sort of approach and demonstration is not earning you any respect

00:48:08.860 or support from common Canadians where we want to actually make some change. And as well, it is

00:48:13.460 empowering the reactions of politicians like this when they're talking about imposing more laws to

00:48:19.780 try and crack down on future protests. So, you know, cut it out, guys. You can be expressive

00:48:26.540 and you can be excited and you can be a little rude. You can be a little tasteless. But when

00:48:30.280 you push it too far, you give them what they feel to be the justification to infringe further

00:48:35.580 on your rights. And it's not going to be a good outcome for any of us. So interesting times,

00:48:40.960 though. Interesting times. And again, where was I going with things? I don't know. I lose track

00:48:48.500 sometimes. These live shows are fun. Okay. So I've got the guest of the lobby. I'm going to speak to

00:48:52.240 our advertiser one more time before I bring Mr. Tucker in. Cause actually the last thing I spoke

00:48:56.460 on, I think kind of segues in cause we're talking about discussion. We're talking about discussion

00:48:59.800 on things that make people squeamish. You might not want to discuss it. And there are areas where

00:49:03.680 some people feel that the expression and different points of view shouldn't even be allowed to be

00:49:07.740 discussed. So that kind of ties in. In the meantime as well, with my opening rant, I talked about how

00:49:12.720 we have the gun registry returning through a backdoor means. And it is threatening your right,

00:49:19.260 your ability to own and responsibly use firearms. And if you enjoy firearms, if you're looking to

00:49:25.880 enjoy firearms, purchase them, use them, you got to be a member of the Canadian Shooting Sports

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00:50:25.740 out a membership. Okay, let's bring in Mr. Trevor Tucker. He wrote a column for us recently there,

00:50:31.540 and there are going to be more coming. And we went into whether or not conversation is imperative

00:50:37.200 I'm going to say it right out on abortion. I even, I got to admit, I dodged that word. I just,

00:50:42.560 if I could avoid that issue, I try and, but we can't just take our heads in the sand and forget

00:50:47.200 everything. So thank you very much for writing about this and coming on to talk to me today,

00:50:51.060 Trevor. Yeah. Pleasure, Corey. Good to meet up with you. Yeah. So just, I guess maybe I'll kind

00:50:57.620 of get you to just summarize and you know, part of it ties in with your personal views and also

00:51:02.440 you're something of a communication specialist and you're talking about the importance of

00:51:06.460 communication, I guess, in a sense, and on this particular issue and the ability for it. Can

00:51:11.060 you kind of summarize what your column was about? Yeah. So the last one was just basically about

00:51:18.340 the importance of us learning how to talk again. You know, it seems I grew up in, I guess we're

00:51:27.360 all saying this these days, a very different kind of Canada. One that seemed a lot grittier and a

00:51:36.220 a lot more eclectic in a way,

00:51:39.400 at least as far as the public conversation went.

00:51:43.260 And certainly on this issue,

00:51:47.120 and I'm sure we could talk about a whole bunch of others,

00:51:51.040 it seems like there's one narrative that's allowed

00:51:55.200 and arguably that we're losing the ability

00:52:00.200 to have difficult conversations.

00:52:02.640 um you know i i teach in university and and uh um man you know the the amount of kind of

00:52:11.440 trigger warnings and and so on that you have to give on on any sort of difficult or uncomfortable

00:52:17.600 topic um at least on one side of the spectrum you know um uh i'm i'm christian uh and and

00:52:26.880 right even when i say that i'm kind of like yikes right because because you're used to

00:52:32.080 to having to um sort of give give trigger warnings for one side and not so much the other but um

00:52:39.200 and anyway you know on the the sort of conversation imperative you know arguably

00:52:46.160 in the public sphere we're only as our democracy is only as healthy as our conversation is and um

00:52:52.640 you know lots of people have said this i quoted jordan habermas um but uh uh you know and when

00:53:00.480 we lose that ability to have a dialogue, and when the dialogue is especially co-opted by

00:53:08.240 people with political, with economic agendas, what have you, you know, guys like Habermas

00:53:15.720 are saying, we're cooked if we can't do it.

00:53:19.500 So rather than trying to dive into the abortion debate, I was trying to hit it at a bit of

00:53:27.460 different angle just to say this should be on our minds um whatever side we're on and talk about it

00:53:34.180 and equally concerning to the issue is the fact that we can't talk about it so maybe we should

00:53:40.900 try going there first well that's just it and and i mean it's it's you know as opposed to the issue

00:53:46.260 itself i mean that's a fodder for a whole other shows with people but the the ability to communicate

00:53:51.780 on it and differ on it but still respect the other person's right to do it i i'm very libertarian i

00:53:57.300 I am not a man of faith.

00:54:00.080 I would rather the things just be left alone

00:54:02.780 and unregulated, but I never for a second

00:54:05.700 want anybody not to have the ability

00:54:07.920 to argue against that, to be able to say comfortably,

00:54:11.420 I don't agree with you.

00:54:13.040 My faith says this, my ability.

00:54:16.800 And we've gone away from that.

00:54:17.820 We have, we get canceled, we get shut down

00:54:20.420 and it's not healthy.

00:54:21.360 And if it starts on something as divisive

00:54:23.860 and hard as abortion, that one's easy

00:54:26.060 lot of people don't just don't even want to talk about it but it will extend to other issues and

00:54:30.860 we can never say that the case is closed we can't yeah yeah and you know and i i'm with you and i

00:54:37.100 voiced this at the top of the column that you know i'm i i have pretty strong beliefs uh about

00:54:44.460 abortion and um you know that for me ultimately there's there's not a lot of wiggle room but i as

00:54:52.860 as a person of faith and with knowing many people of faith,

00:54:57.980 I'm also on the outs with a lot of them

00:55:00.060 because I don't believe in coercion either.

00:55:04.100 So the Vax mandate is the obvious example,

00:55:07.920 but there's others.

00:55:09.360 So while I think this is wrong,

00:55:12.260 I also think it's wrong for me to force someone

00:55:15.960 to do something or to not do something.

00:55:18.320 Ultimately, that puts me largely in a pacifist camp too,

00:55:21.520 which is another taboo in a lot of parts

00:55:24.360 of that subculture, I guess.

00:55:27.600 So yeah, and this is the thing,

00:55:31.800 I think that a lot of,

00:55:33.260 there's actually a lot of wiggle room

00:55:35.680 and I'm gonna write about this some more hopefully coming up,

00:55:40.180 but when the narrative gets so shrunk

00:55:45.760 that you can only kind of say this

00:55:49.840 not all this other stuff that you have questions about um you know like is it is it abortion at

00:55:55.520 one month is it abortion at like one week prior to birth right like if you're on one side or the

00:56:00.960 other you almost can't even go there um and and i think we probably could find a lot of commonality

00:56:07.360 if we could actually go there right if we could actually ask ask the questions that

00:56:14.000 that get sort of pushed aside in the effort of of streamlining the um the narrative yeah well and

00:56:21.920 i mean there's a mental attitude and i think it's gotten worse you know with social media

00:56:27.440 and divided discourse and very polarized this and this and it's i'm right you're wrong you're

00:56:32.480 right i'm wrong and we've forgotten that that basic idea of i can very strenuously disagree

00:56:41.200 with you but fully support your right to be wrong and we've lost that we're you're wrong thus you

00:56:48.160 shouldn't even be able to say that and that's a big problem and that's happening a lot and it's

00:56:52.480 not a left right thing it happens with people when they get too heated up on either side of an issue

00:56:57.120 they try to shut up the other side rather than uh debate them and it's it's getting worse

00:57:03.360 yeah yeah absolutely and and if you know i teach communications and i and i can't help but thinking

00:57:09.920 that that that those who you know want to control the airwaves um are are are the leaders of this

00:57:17.360 kind of this kind of assault upon you know nuance and complexity and and um you know the more common

00:57:24.320 sense questions that that bug all of us yeah so did uh the the march for life event was uh you

00:57:32.000 know it's an annual one it's a big one uh did you attend that in ottawa this year yeah i did i did um

00:57:39.680 and you know that that was that that was a really interesting um i mean how do you

00:57:46.320 encapsulate it it was a really interesting case in point where you know it it it seemed like um

00:57:53.680 there was one side that uh this is the planned parenthood side that was very um

00:58:02.640 it was very clear uh you know the points they were making they were trying to shout down

00:58:06.800 the speakers my body my choice and and it was it was it was definitely much more angry than than

00:58:16.400 some of the leading media outlets would have you believe you know and then on the other hand you

00:58:23.180 have people that are you know quite eclectic I was actually like every age every size largely Catholic

00:58:33.020 I would guess, and I'm not, but that was fine.

00:58:43.320 Yeah, you know, that side, it just didn't seem as angry, I guess.

00:58:51.900 Yeah, well, and again, it takes two sides.

00:58:54.520 I mean, avoiding the anger, and the extremes can come from either side.

00:58:58.100 You know, there's a lot of attacks personally or even physically

00:59:01.580 at some of the protests from counter protesters at the same time that there's been some crazed

00:59:06.080 extreme anti-abortion activists who've you know shot doctors in past years and things like that

00:59:10.860 but those are the outliers you know if we could stick to the the middle with most people uh i mean

00:59:17.600 the issue is clearly never going to be settled but that also means then we're going to have to

00:59:22.040 keep an ongoing discourse moving on it yeah i think so um and and you know that there were

00:59:30.620 there were signs of that yesterday. You know, there were people who would try to walk up to

00:59:38.960 the sort of counter protest and, you know, engage and that sort of thing. There was a lot of talk

00:59:46.340 of people recognizing the motives. This one woman, it was very interesting, you know,

00:59:55.520 She had had abortion 25 years ago and she had felt guilty about it and so on.

01:00:01.520 But, you know, in her in her statement, she was she's like pointed over and she said, you know, pro-choice people do this out of love, too.

01:00:12.760 And love for freedom, love for their own bodies and and actually love for children.

01:00:18.880 And I actually was kind of looking around wondering, you know, how that would fly.

01:00:23.200 but you know it seemed fine here was a woman who had who had lived lived the

01:00:29.980 issue in a way and and I you know that kind of you know olive branch reaching

01:00:37.580 even if you know I mean even if it's tough and even if you're gonna make your

01:00:43.100 own peers raise an eyebrow I think it's still it's still great for the

01:00:50.000 conversation. We all do these things because we think we're doing good and right and could

01:00:57.820 recognize that kind of stuff. Well, and as I was saying earlier, the right to protest, the right

01:01:03.560 to express, whether it's this or anything else, it's always under threat. There's people saying

01:01:06.860 we've got to crack down on it. We've got to understand, particularly progressives. I mean,

01:01:11.540 a lot of advancements from progressive causes came, they started from unpopular protests.

01:01:16.160 they were the ones on the streets they were the ones protesting against the vietnam war they were

01:01:20.320 the ones protesting for civil rights for minorities in the united states and getting cracked down on

01:01:24.480 by the state don't you know we've got to remember that you've still got to allow views that you feel

01:01:30.160 are unpopular to get out and express themselves as well and i think that's getting forgotten by a lot

01:01:34.080 of people maybe i'll ask you i mean apart from media all the time but where do you think that's

01:01:40.160 coming from that that push to shut down legal protests uh i think it's coming from people

01:01:49.760 this is just pure theory on my part and it goes through the media it goes but it's really stemming

01:01:54.000 at the government's level of uh such an ideological confidence that you are right that you're

01:01:59.760 absolutely right and that the ends justify the means they even know that they're doing something

01:02:04.880 wrong, but they feel it's so important to get their cause through, get their goals accomplished,

01:02:12.820 that it's a secondary thing to step on the right of free expression because in the longer run,

01:02:18.780 it will be better for everybody. I think it's a delusional point of view, but I do think,

01:02:22.600 and maybe it's an unconscious point of view with some of them, but that's my theory as to why we're

01:02:27.240 seeing such a push. This particular liberal government is more ideologically driven, I think,

01:02:32.000 that we've seen probably in our lifetimes.

01:02:35.420 And when you're driven by ideology rather than fact,

01:02:39.080 then you start to do things such as set aside rights

01:02:42.020 in order to accomplish your goals.

01:02:43.860 Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

01:02:46.260 Any mediator will tell you, and I said this in my column,

01:02:49.340 that when you come into a conflict context,

01:02:54.880 if you come in on your moral high horse, you're cooked.

01:02:57.480 um it's it's not until you you recognize that you know whether the person across from you is

01:03:04.880 is is a parent whether in this case the person across from you is Canadian and you know my

01:03:09.860 family's lived here for 200 years like I have something invested in this but so do you and

01:03:14.600 until you can accept those commonalities

01:03:18.000 yeah and the threats come from a lot of directions again I still think it stems from the government but

01:03:27.200 You mentioned media and we've got a problem going on there,

01:03:29.980 but we've got a government that's very intent on making the media beholden to

01:03:33.960 the government. And it's through internet controls, it's through subsidies,

01:03:37.540 it's through a number of levels and media outlets, again,

01:03:39.940 whether unconsciously or even consciously, they might say,

01:03:42.200 I'm not going to cover that because we just don't want to shake the tree where

01:03:45.220 our money's coming from,

01:03:46.140 or we don't want to run that column because it's just going where we know it's

01:03:49.940 going to upset the people who determine whether we're official media or not,

01:03:54.280 or social media platforms might say, again,

01:03:56.160 And we're going to cut off that discourse over there because it's

01:04:00.480 inappropriate. And I think a lot of principal media members,

01:04:05.160 even if they're progressive ones would like to see open debate,

01:04:07.380 but they're scared to now.

01:04:09.780 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean,

01:04:17.100 lose your lunch. Right. Yeah. And I, you know,

01:04:22.380 apart from, apart, maybe from all of us, uh, there, there's an interesting independent

01:04:27.480 media landscape in Canada and, and, um, you know, apart from all of us just kind of voting

01:04:33.480 with our feet, um, you know, it's, it's, it's going to be a difficult one to fix this issue.

01:04:39.300 Yeah. Well, we're, we're growing and we're trying, we're getting it out there. And that's

01:04:42.120 why I appreciate, you know, you're coming on talking to me today and the column you wrote

01:04:45.000 and, and you said you have another one coming up pretty soon.

01:04:47.460 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I wrote on yesterday, largely because, you know, it was a different

01:04:57.180 view from where I sat. I still did a little narrative thing. It was a very interesting

01:05:04.400 day. And again, I'm not a Catholic. And, you know, when you see young people quietly, very,

01:05:12.420 you know, quietly and solemnly voicing their concerns.

01:05:16.260 And I'm a father of teenagers and, you know,

01:05:20.140 it's something that was quite moving.

01:05:21.400 So yeah, I wrote a little bit on it.

01:05:23.880 Yeah, well, I'm looking forward to that.

01:05:25.460 And actually it just brought me to another thought

01:05:26.940 and an anecdote, but getting back into the mid to late nineties.

01:05:30.580 And I gotta admit, I grew up in the eighties.

01:05:31.880 I was somewhat intolerant, 1.00

01:05:32.900 particularly with people in the LGBTQ community. 1.00

01:05:36.080 And I had a girlfriend at the time who actually took me out

01:05:38.540 to a couple of pride events in Calgary.

01:05:40.540 And they were pretty small back in those days. 0.98

01:05:42.420 But actually, it really, it was good for me.

01:05:46.360 I mean, this was an event of free expression with me getting around people outside of my regular comfort zone, getting to know people.

01:05:53.220 And it forced me to reevaluate my thought.

01:05:56.360 And if they'd not, you know, and again, speaking of that, you know, 30 years before that, they would have been arrested for holding a pride parade.

01:06:02.900 Were it not for events like that, people like me wouldn't have been able to interact and broaden my thought. 0.55

01:06:08.460 So when we shut down things like March for Life and that, again, we're not having anything productive.

01:06:12.220 this is not going to help. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And I love that you mentioned that the personal

01:06:18.840 side of it, you know, the same thing with the LGBT stuff, you know, it wasn't until I had friends

01:06:25.620 that were wrestling profoundly with this. These are my best friends. And you don't have a choice

01:06:35.040 to sort of slough it off as a political issue or, you know, and when you have that personal,

01:06:40.820 to me, that's where it's at. And we can't let anyone get into that space between us. I often

01:06:47.580 say to my students that conversation is all we have. And so we need to fight to keep that ground.

01:06:55.260 Yeah, absolutely. Well, again, I appreciate you coming in. I'm looking forward to your column on

01:06:59.700 what you observed at the event the other day and other columns to come in the future.

01:07:04.760 All we can do is keep working on it. And again, well, we're not backing down over here. So

01:07:09.900 thanks again for coming on to talk to me today, Trevor. And I hope we get to talk like this again

01:07:13.680 soon. Absolutely. Yeah. Good seeing you, Corey. Great. Thanks. So yeah, guys, just the summary,

01:07:22.560 you know, get to Western Standard online or well, it's not online anymore. Westernstandard.news

01:07:28.400 and Trevor Tucker, you can look that up, that column. And as he, as he mentioned,

01:07:31.660 there's going to be another one coming soon. And yeah, you know, we've got to keep the discussions

01:07:38.320 going. It's just really, really important. And trying to shut down debate just isn't the way to

01:07:43.660 go. You know, there's a movie, I'm going to, you know, go to an anecdote, if anybody's ever seen

01:07:49.500 it before. It was back in the 90s. It was Laura Dern and I'm forgetting the other names. It wasn't

01:07:57.680 a lot of top name action. Well, Burt Reynolds was in it as well. It was called Citizen Ruth.

01:08:02.100 And it was almost a parody on the American abortion debate back in those times, kind of an

01:08:07.640 obscure movie that came out. And it's focused around, you know, a character named Ruth who

01:08:12.960 had found herself pregnant. She'd been pregnant a number of times. She was an irresponsible young

01:08:16.680 lady addicted to sniffing glue and a number of things. But she got into kind of the middle of a

01:08:22.200 battle between pro-choice and pro-life activists and turned into the symbol of it. And of course,

01:08:29.640 some of it probably wasn't terribly exaggerated, but it kind of exaggerated the extents of both

01:08:34.640 sides and their hysteria to try and make her choose one way or the other. And I thought it

01:08:39.520 was a very good movie in the sense that it showed the extremes on both sides are just way out to

01:08:44.620 launch on this whole thing and don't do any favors. And I love seeing serious issues brought

01:08:50.060 out in a sense of parody or entertainment or kind of dark comedy, I guess you could say. If you get

01:08:54.880 a chance, I don't know where you would find it now, streaming in some corner somewhere

01:08:58.720 in a distant spot or something like that,

01:09:02.740 but it's called Citizen Roof,

01:09:04.340 and it really was actually a good watch

01:09:06.680 on a sensitive issue.

01:09:09.140 And again, I don't know.

01:09:09.880 I don't know if that movie would be made today,

01:09:11.660 because people are afraid of opening the subject

01:09:13.800 or showing either side of what they feel

01:09:17.060 is the right way or the wrong way.

01:09:18.720 Why not have movies that bring a different way

01:09:21.020 to discuss these things that make people think?

01:09:22.980 That was the thing, is it made you think.

01:09:25.380 And, you know, I'll get, it pushes too far.

01:09:30.640 I'm all about choice.

01:09:32.060 I always have, and I have been when it comes to vaccination.

01:09:34.320 I'm still on that level when it comes to the abortion issue.

01:09:38.000 You know, I'm going to share another anecdote, but it's going way back when I was young.

01:09:41.160 Yeah, I was 19, and my girlfriend at the time was pregnant.

01:09:46.740 We didn't know what to do.

01:09:48.760 We examined options.

01:09:50.500 There were options.

01:09:51.020 I mean, whether people feel there should be options or not, there were options.

01:09:53.740 So we sat down, we went to the clinic in Calgary, the family planning or whatever, just to get the options.

01:10:02.720 And the counselor who chatted with us, I still remember to tell you, it did put me off back then too.

01:10:08.920 Because she only had one option in mind.

01:10:11.800 It was, this is where you go to get an abortion, this is how you do it. 0.94

01:10:14.560 This is where you go to get an abortion, this is how you do it.

01:10:16.440 Like, wait, we really weren't sure what we wanted to do.

01:10:19.600 We wanted to hear about what about adoption or what are the supports if we keep the baby, where are we at?

01:10:25.460 But no, this is where you go to get an abortion. 0.99

01:10:27.000 She kept pushing us straight to that. 1.00

01:10:28.920 That clinic was so fixated on that.

01:10:31.760 By the way, in the end, we chose to keep the baby, and that was my son, Lane, and, you know, he's still alive today.

01:10:39.140 But again, if they're going to offer a choice, make it a choice.

01:10:43.880 And in our circumstance, I'm certain in other clinics, I mean, that's just one anecdote.

01:10:47.120 but when they're run by activists or people that are sometimes way over on one side,

01:10:50.760 they're not actually offering a choice.

01:10:52.160 They're really pushing towards a direction that they prefer,

01:10:55.440 and that's not healthy.

01:10:56.740 It's not good.

01:10:58.400 Again, I want it to remain a choice,

01:11:00.400 but we've got to make sure to jealously guard that territory for it.

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01:12:39.420 Some members of parliament are seeking tougher penalties for ethics violations.

01:12:44.560 Yeah.

01:12:45.240 You know, and there's lots of room to impose a lot of those things.

01:12:48.720 The maximum penalty right now, think about that.

01:12:50.280 I didn't know that until I read that today.

01:12:53.680 For an ethics violation, and that can range into a whole lot of things, is $500 fine and maybe a public apology.

01:13:01.940 That's it.

01:13:02.660 These are members of parliament.

01:13:04.040 These are people who, you know, they got some very healthy six-figure salaries, some massive

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01:13:12.880 minimum wage. But throwing a $500 fine at them for an ethics violation probably isn't that much

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01:13:32.280 holders. These are people that control our lives. These are people that have access. They take,

01:13:38.100 they're entrusted with our money, with our funds, with our taxes, and they theoretically are going

01:13:43.640 to utilize them for the public benefit. If they're not doing that correctly, if they're breaking,

01:13:47.840 again, ethical rules and things, there should be some very serious penalties for it.

01:13:51.840 But right now it's 500 bucks. I mean, we got some serious problems here, guys. This shouldn't even

01:13:57.760 me a discussion. The Conservative Party last August recommended a maximum of $50,000.

01:14:03.420 Even then, I don't know, but I mean, that's certainly better than $500. It makes some people

01:14:07.100 think twice, right? Like that's, I can't afford a $50,000 hit out of the blue, that's for sure.

01:14:11.500 And it says, you know, of course, proportionate to the severity of the offense and the offender's

01:14:14.400 history. But the other part was, and their personal net worth. Well, I don't know about that.

01:14:18.480 I don't want to get into that socialism. Hey, this is the penalty, this is the penalty,

01:14:21.300 whether you've got a thousand in the bank or a hundred thousand, just don't do it.

01:14:23.840 But maybe if you don't have the money in the bank to cover your fines, and again, that's where we get to the disincentive aspect, it might prevent some of them from doing it.

01:14:32.700 I don't know, though.

01:14:33.440 Unethical people, you know, often they're kind of sociopaths in a way and they don't really care about consequences, so it doesn't really matter.

01:14:40.560 But, I mean, $500 for an ethics, and that's the maximum for a member of parliament for an ethics breach as a fine, that is a sad joke.

01:14:48.060 I mean, come on, a bad speeding ticket can run up near that level these days.

01:14:51.260 um and yeah dave talked about this before so the debates chief admitted failure

01:14:56.820 uh this david johnson i didn't even know we had a debates chief uh so in the 2021 election this

01:15:02.480 was the guy i guess who manages the whole thing and so there was a widespread agreement that the

01:15:06.420 debates didn't deliver as well as they thought and there were two uh major weaknesses identified

01:15:11.800 and that was format and moderation um and he's asking the questions were they were they organized

01:15:17.100 to serve the public interest.

01:15:19.180 I'm glad they're having these discussions.

01:15:23.520 Oh, you know, we shouldn't have to have in the first place.

01:15:27.020 There was the commission got censored by a judge last fall

01:15:29.940 because they blacklisted Rebel News.

01:15:31.540 Yeah, they kept certain media members from trying to cover it or tried.

01:15:34.980 And this is a problem.

01:15:36.720 The format and so on as well when it came to Maxime Bernier.

01:15:40.680 I mean, he brought in 842,000 votes,

01:15:43.540 but they didn't feel he should take part in the debates.

01:15:47.100 we've got to wonder about these things.

01:15:49.420 But then part of the problem is you throw the debates

01:15:50.940 we saw just last week into the hands of the,

01:15:53.840 out of the hands of the government and into others.

01:15:55.300 I don't know who, I really want to find out

01:15:57.580 exactly who was behind that horrific debate

01:16:00.020 in Edmonton with the conservative leaders.

01:16:01.860 What a sad joke.

01:16:03.020 The federal ones that right now that are being reviewed

01:16:04.660 were still better than that.

01:16:06.620 So I guess there's something to remind people like me

01:16:08.440 who keep saying government does everything worse.

01:16:10.760 Well, they can still be outdone by other collections,

01:16:13.760 committees, and groups of people outside of government

01:16:15.220 at times. And somehow they managed to pull that off with the Edmonton debates. So just getting

01:16:19.820 the government's hands out of debates doesn't mean they're going to be good ones. That is a good

01:16:23.400 start. I hope the conservatives are doing some soul searching and trying to figure out what the

01:16:27.000 hell happened there on Wednesday, because that was just an abomination. Let's see, we employers,

01:16:33.080 again, we get the, you know, this employment crisis, and they're talking, testimony saying

01:16:37.820 we need more immigration to fill that. I mean, because of the pandemic, we've actually cut back

01:16:42.920 on a lot of immigration. A lot of people came in, not surprisingly. We got a lot of people not going 1.00

01:16:47.780 back to work. We had a lot of people retiring. Canadian-born people are less inclined to have

01:16:52.820 more than one and a half kids, so we're not increasing our population naturally.

01:16:57.280 So there's a lot of discussion talking about, though, you know, immigration being critical to

01:17:00.580 the well-being of communities, and most economists will agree on that. I think where a lot of the

01:17:05.960 discussion is, is how many and how do we integrate it effectively? You know, I mean, just taking

01:17:11.460 people and dumping them blindly into communities and areas is not wise. It's not good for the

01:17:16.380 people immigrating and it's not good for the people in the communities. So, you know, do it 1.00

01:17:20.480 with thought, do it carefully. But we're having some of that discussion because right now we have

01:17:24.920 a labor crisis and we have a lot of people around the world who would love to come out and fill

01:17:29.120 that void right now. And we're too busy staring at our shoes and messing around to figure out how

01:17:33.920 to deal with it. So hopefully something productive comes out of that discussion there. Let's see

01:17:40.000 discussions in Finance Canada. They're defending, I guess they gave a $10 billion loan guarantee for

01:17:44.580 the Trans Mountain to help the company get the darn thing done. Of course, the far left is calling

01:17:49.920 it a fossil fuel subsidy. Maybe it is in a sense, but it's only because the idiot government 1.00

01:17:54.240 regulated it so badly that they were forced to buy it or allow it to die. That was the only 1.00

01:17:59.860 ends left. Private industry said to hell with you. We want no part of doing business in this country 0.99

01:18:04.360 because you can't, your system does not allow us to get things done. And even with the government

01:18:09.160 owning it, they still can't get the bloody thing done. And I get barked at all the time when I

01:18:13.220 talk about it. I know they're working on the Trans Mountain. I know there's a lot of crews

01:18:16.480 doing stuff on it, but it's going so slow. My great-grandchildren will be lucky to see that

01:18:21.660 thing produce at the rate it's bloody going. Plus they keep running out of money. So the government

01:18:25.800 said they're not going to put any more public money into it. And this is kind of the government

01:18:28.620 doing it in a roundabout way. They gave a whole pile of loan guarantees, which is kind of the same

01:18:33.320 way. They're saying you put the money into it and if it doesn't come back, we'll give it to you

01:18:36.560 later. So, uh, you know, it's, uh, ongoing, just get the damn thing done. The government is the 0.99

01:18:44.360 problem. Unfortunately, as usual, not the solution. If they would just get out of the damn way,

01:18:48.500 this thing would get done. The amount of permits and requirements and everything make it nearly 0.97

01:18:53.240 impossible. Speaking of other things, yes, an anti-pipeline anarchist group was under an

01:18:59.000 investigation. This was in the news the other day, uh, by the Montreal arson squad because they set

01:19:03.420 fire to luxury vehicles. I mean, it doesn't matter if they're luxury vehicles. I don't care if it

01:19:07.720 was a guy's 72 Datsun and it was worth 500 bucks. These are terrorists, guys. They're torching 0.98

01:19:12.840 stuff. We still haven't heard about what happened in BC with those guys who showed up with axe

01:19:18.000 handles and attacked a construction site in northern BC in the CGL pipeline. Now we got

01:19:23.940 these guys feeling emboldened enough to torch the vehicles of people. This was a former member of

01:19:32.140 Stephen Harper's government, and they've targeted him in his house. Well, that's got to be pretty

01:19:35.540 uncomfortable, and that's discomforting. Going to people's houses and getting that violent,

01:19:39.500 this is serious. What are we worried about? Well, they're worried about shutting down debate for

01:19:44.500 people who are swearing at Jagmeet Singh when he shows up at events. Guys, get your priorities

01:19:48.280 straight. We've got eco-terrorists running around out there, literal eco-terrorists. And you know,

01:19:54.060 it's surprising they haven't hurt somebody more seriously yet. And arson, arson is so serious. I

01:20:01.180 mean, you got to understand in Calgary, when the Forest Lawn Hotel got burned down, you know,

01:20:06.220 that was a case of an unprincipled owner burning it down for insurance money. People think that's

01:20:10.700 just insurance fraud. Yes, it is. But the only bigger problem, it killed a firefighter when he

01:20:14.180 tried to respond to it. That's one of the other serious aspects of arson. So you can't dismiss,

01:20:21.180 oh, they just burned a luxury car. I don't care. They lit a fire that was uncontrolled that could

01:20:25.960 very seriously hurt somebody. That's terrorism. It has to be called that. And they have to go

01:20:31.420 after them because they're going to kill somebody soon, guys. These guys are extremists. They're 0.99

01:20:35.960 out there and they're not going to stop because these pipelines can't stop because despite what

01:20:41.380 our kooky government and environmental activists think, we can't live without hydrocarbons. We

01:20:45.900 can't, we need them. So these pipelines are going to keep going. Those wells are going to keep

01:20:49.800 pumping. Those tankers are going to keep moving. So these lunatics are going to keep upping the

01:20:54.980 ante until we start jailing them. But again, we just catch and release, catch and release. We've 0.98

01:20:59.900 got guys like David Suzuki talking about blowing up pipelines, and then people shrugged that off.

01:21:05.400 Well, look at the inspiration and some of the lunatics that have been moving along with that.

01:21:12.300 We've got a real problem with terrorism going on. Let's see. This was another story that was

01:21:17.440 pretty big. I think Amanda wrote this one. I could be wrong with it. That was what the

01:21:20.120 cadets and junior Canadian Rangers

01:21:22.220 apologized because they took unvaccinated

01:21:24.600 cadets, marked them with pens

01:21:26.480 and segregated them

01:21:27.800 at the London International Airport

01:21:30.440 on May 7th and stopped them

01:21:32.360 for having the opportunity to take part in a training

01:21:34.460 exercise on a couple of Hercules

01:21:36.500 planes. These cadets, these kids, you know

01:21:38.500 they're out, this was a high point, this is

01:21:40.360 getting around to these giant transport planes

01:21:42.280 and they're based

01:21:44.460 in London, Ontario and they were going to fly on

01:21:46.440 them and no, no, the

01:21:48.460 vaccine ideologues, speaking of ideologues, speaking of extremists, actually marked their

01:21:53.560 hands, humiliated them, set them aside, and kept them from being able to take part in this.

01:22:00.680 How many times have we got to go over this? Vaccines don't stop the spread. It's not even

01:22:05.460 medical theory anymore or anything like that. That's been proven. It's shown. I mean, again,

01:22:09.880 they can reduce adverse outcomes. I support it that way. Again, I support choice. But this is

01:22:15.140 just punitive. It's embittered. It's wrong. And it targeted kids and it stole from them an

01:22:20.580 opportunity that they've been training and looking forward to. And as I said, humiliated them

01:22:24.700 and it's unforgivable. And that's why we got to keep reporting on this crap. We got to expose 1.00

01:22:28.780 this crap. So yeah, now they're apologizing. Now they're backpedaling. But you know what, 0.99

01:22:33.100 if it wasn't for alternative media and other people getting in there and exposing that crap, 0.99

01:22:36.100 these guys would still get away with it. It was True North actually, to give credit where it's due, 0.60

01:22:39.100 who found this with, you know, Candace Malcolm's group. So again, yes, self-serving,

01:22:44.640 He'll keep supporting us,

01:22:47.000 but it's because we will go into these issues.

01:22:48.900 We'll report on these

01:22:49.540 because the mainstream media won't.

01:22:52.360 Another little side note

01:22:53.400 to kind of close things out, perhaps.

01:22:54.940 There was that motion we were talking about,

01:22:56.300 the Liberals and Conservatives.

01:22:58.000 The bloc had put a motion forward

01:22:59.320 to end the prayer,

01:23:00.520 starting at the House of Commons.

01:23:02.460 So there wouldn't be prayers anymore

01:23:03.740 beginning that.

01:23:04.560 They've been doing that since 1877.

01:23:06.420 The Liberals and Conservatives said no to it.

01:23:09.260 Rare times when the Liberals and Conservatives

01:23:10.680 get together and knock down the motion.

01:23:13.240 And ironically, it's one of the times

01:23:14.440 I kind of, uh, uh, more supportive in the block in a way. I just believe in full secularity. You

01:23:19.720 know, nothing is prayer, just not necessarily in the place of our, uh, governance, but whatever,

01:23:23.400 it's, it's all symbolic and it's not the end of the world either way we look at it. But that is

01:23:27.020 another little news item that came up. So, okay, I'm going to wrap things up guys and get on with

01:23:31.720 the weekend here. I will be, uh, attending the, uh, at the Big Rock Brewery tomorrow night. Uh,

01:23:37.820 the Maverick party is going to have their leadership announcement. They had, they're

01:23:41.740 still out there they have a leadership race going on and it's uh they're gonna know who's leading

01:23:45.940 them tomorrow night so i'm just gonna be there to cover it and see what's happening what happened

01:23:48.960 there so if you're interested in that you don't come down to the big rock brewery or check out

01:23:52.280 the maverick party i think you gotta get a ticket but they're gonna have an event and then on monday

01:23:55.960 i'm gonna have he's back he's promised me he's got it down this time western standard columnist

01:24:01.560 lee harding and we're gonna talk about that new political party out in saskatchewa and so if we

01:24:05.560 have to get people to run and bang on his door and get him on the show we'll get him on there this

01:24:08.620 time. As you regular viewers know, I get real grumpy when I get stood up for shows. But I think

01:24:14.240 it was an honest mistake. So we'll get Lee back here to talk about that. And we're going to have

01:24:17.700 Spencer Fernando. He's a columnist. He's also with the National Citizens Coalition. And those who

01:24:23.160 know me, he's a prolific writer and a good conservative voice. And it should be a good

01:24:26.400 conversation having him back with the show. So that's about it for today, guys. Thank you all

01:24:31.040 for joining me. And I will see you all on Monday morning at 1130 a.m. Mountain Standard Time.

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Western Standard - May 14, 2022

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