Western Standard - Triggered： The Thomas Dang scandal is sliding under the radar

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Good morning. It's July 15th, 2022, Friday, the last Friday of this year's Calgary Stampede.

00:00:40.320 The last time I'll get away with wearing this Western getup to get out of wearing a necktie,

00:00:44.880 I'll have to throttle myself again on Monday, but that's just the way it goes, I guess.

00:00:50.800 Got to find a middle ground. I'd be wearing a t-shirt if I could get away with it. Somewhere

00:00:53.800 a middle ground between Derek and his necktie thing and me and my t-shirts, maybe we could

00:00:57.720 get a compromise, but we'll get there with one day. All right. So yes, this is the last day of

00:01:04.020 the Stampede. We got a lot to cover today. I got some good guests. I see some folks in the comments

00:01:08.160 already, Ashley and Jet, others. And I see Claudette mentioned she couldn't get on YouTube

00:01:14.160 yesterday. I'm not sure. They did have some issues with other... YouTube was having some problems,

00:01:19.280 I think, in certain parts of the world and things, and maybe it was a bit domestic as well.

00:01:22.760 but uh it seems to be working for now again i like to remind people we did get kicked off youtube

00:01:28.740 for a while and it'll probably end up happening again hope not we're going to try and avoid it

00:01:32.540 but you know keep in mind rumble and uh facebook i know not everybody's big on facebook but at

00:01:38.280 least that one seems to be allowing things and it's good for the comment scroll rumble works

00:01:41.180 great but it's hard on uh comments for us to get back to colleen saying my shirt hurts the eyes

00:01:48.940 Paisley must never return to the closets. Ah, well, I got something loud, like I said,

00:01:53.980 so you can't see the stains on it or anything like that as it might happen. Let's look at the

00:01:57.680 observations for today. What's important? What's going on? What have you got to know as the day

00:02:02.520 gets rolling? Well, it is International Be a Dork Day. This is one that I find easy to participate

00:02:09.200 in. It's not terribly hard. I just have to be myself. I mean, look at me cosplaying a cowboy

00:02:13.940 today, for example. And I'm just going to block a spammer here real quick. And yes, so dorks can

00:02:23.000 block spammers. And yeah, this is the day that the geeks and wieners and nerds and whatever term we

00:02:28.540 had for them should be recognized and you should get out there and be one yourself. You know,

00:02:32.820 things have changed quite a bit. I mean, they have made being a dork somewhat cool. I mean, 0.93

00:02:37.480 You know, that Big Bang Theory and shows like that

00:02:41.320 of sort of normalized dorkery for those out there.

00:02:44.600 So enjoy that today.

00:02:46.200 It's also National Pet Fire Safety Day.

00:02:49.700 This one's a little more serious,

00:02:50.960 but, you know, as people who follow this show know,

00:02:53.540 I love animals.

00:02:54.540 I love them much more than people typically.

00:02:56.860 And today's the day to keep in mind,

00:02:58.540 it is the Pet Fire Safety Day.

00:03:00.340 You know, if you've got pets in your home,

00:03:01.780 things like that, you can get stickers

00:03:03.160 or you can even make your own, get them on the door.

00:03:04.820 let's just say in case um you you uh you know you aren't home there's a fire in your place

00:03:11.660 if there's a note at least letting the fire first responders know that you have you know one cat two

00:03:16.540 dogs in the place assuming they're not going to be putting themselves at risk you understand

00:03:19.900 priorities but they'll make sure to have a closer look in the house and get the pet out of there so

00:03:24.280 that at least uh you might lose your home but you can keep your your furry friends there uh

00:03:29.640 it's just something to keep in mind my place we got a doggy door my goofy dogs could run back out

00:03:34.360 into the yard in the woods and escape if the house burned, but we'll try and avoid that in the first

00:03:38.600 place. Along with that with pets, now's the season where we start hearing the stories and we start

00:03:44.560 seeing it with imbeciles who leave them in hot vehicles with the windows rolled up, even with 0.98

00:03:48.840 them rolled down a little. We're hitting 30 degrees. Dogs can't take that heat. It kills them. 1.00

00:03:53.520 We hear about it all the time, particularly dogs like bulldogs and flat-faced ones, but all of them,

00:03:58.320 they can't manage that. So folks, if you see a parking lot and a dog's dying in there, don't

00:04:02.660 hesitate for a second. Smash the window out. Maybe smash them all just to be on the safe side.

00:04:07.280 Get that dog out of there. Save that poor critter. And you know, if you end up getting financial 1.00

00:04:11.820 repercussions or problems, hey, let me know. We'll certainly start a fundraiser to make sure your

00:04:16.660 bills are covered. And we can also further shame the individual who tortured an animal by leaving

00:04:21.400 it in a hot car that they themselves certainly wouldn't sit in. Come on, people, just be a little

00:04:26.200 more responsible. I know people get wound up now and then, oh, why do you care more about animals

00:04:29.780 and people, I wouldn't say I guess overall, but the thing is when it comes to animals and children,

00:04:35.460 that's why people get enraged with these stories when we see abuse of those things, because we get

00:04:38.140 most upset with abuse against people or animals that can't defend themselves, they can't take care

00:04:45.600 of themselves, it's on us, you know, so I mean, yes, an animal can nip back, but really, they're

00:04:50.980 dependent on us, we have a responsibility, likewise with children, of course, if a person can really

00:04:55.940 harm a child, a child's incapable of defending themselves, that's why we get so much more upset

00:04:59.380 when we see neglect or cruelty impacting animals and children than we do with with other people on

00:05:04.900 and as jet pointing out that one you have the car window's on the thing the air conditioning's on

00:05:08.740 he has water and such yes that's fine if you're really going to do that but not too many people

00:05:13.060 will and uh unfortunately some a geese precked on again we're going to talk some more about

00:05:25.060 indian residential schools because he wrote a column and got a bunch of pushback and abuse

00:05:29.380 about it and the story is so big we need to keep talking about we need to talk about more

00:05:34.100 and we put a piece up actually last night by hymie rubinstein you can see it on westernstandard.news

00:05:40.100 it's been very well read because there's some very serious questions being asked about the

00:05:43.860 residential school grave sites and there's a lot of stuff that's unresolved and discussion is being

00:05:48.660 shouted down we have to talk about these things we've got to look at what's going on out there

00:05:53.460 and get to the facts.

00:05:56.360 You know, they always talk,

00:05:57.080 we want resolution, we want resolution.

00:05:58.720 Well, I agree.

00:06:00.300 So let's investigate, dig a hole

00:06:03.580 and find out what's really going on.

00:06:06.320 So we'll talk to Mr. Giesbrecht about that.

00:06:09.540 And I'm going to have Maxime Bernier.

00:06:10.960 He's going to be in studio today.

00:06:12.740 He's coming in person.

00:06:14.000 We'll talk about that.

00:06:14.760 Of course, he's out for the stampede.

00:06:15.880 The politicians never avoid Calgary during the stampede.

00:06:18.600 We'll see what's going on with the People's Party of Canada

00:06:21.300 and Mr. Bernier's plans and his critiques, of course, for the government

00:06:25.580 and perhaps the Conservative Party itself.

00:06:30.080 We're going to try a little experiment later as well.

00:06:32.880 Right towards the end of the show.

00:06:33.620 Oh, yeah, Melanie's going to be checking in from the Stampede again, by the way.

00:06:35.940 She's got a, sounds like a rodeo rider out there, a bronco rider, a young fella.

00:06:39.640 She's going to be talking with him from the Midway.

00:06:42.020 And towards the end of the show, we're going to try a call-in feature.

00:06:45.060 It's going to be through Zoom.

00:06:45.900 We'll send the link and things for those of you who were on for the whole show.

00:06:49.260 keep it in mind I might just do one or two

00:06:51.500 it's kind of a test run

00:06:53.580 and we'll see if we can get some full interactivity

00:06:55.580 at the end of the show and talk one on one

00:06:57.320 to one or

00:06:59.380 two of you guys to end the show so if you got

00:07:01.440 thoughts you want to come

00:07:03.440 on you want to chat you know

00:07:05.440 we'll have a link for that a little later

00:07:06.980 we'll give it a crack don't be too disappointed

00:07:09.420 if it doesn't work hey I'm not trying to knock Nico's

00:07:11.360 technical abilities it's just the first time we're trying

00:07:13.400 it though and sometimes you get tech things but it should work great

00:07:15.300 and we can have some chat and that'll change things

00:07:17.380 all together if we get the show a lot better to have that true one-on-one interactivity okay i'll

00:07:21.800 get on to my rant i'm really babbling today and i know eva's waiting for the news update

00:07:25.660 so one of my terms you know i like using for people to distract things hey look squirrel

00:07:29.920 and that's going on right now that's what the legacy media is shouting as what should be a

00:07:34.380 scandal making headlines across the province is sliding under the radar i mean well we got

00:07:38.620 pundits and columnists focusing on potential infighting with the ucp and talking about how

00:07:43.740 some of the candidates they feel are extreme, and they're pouring fire, you know, onto the

00:07:48.000 divisions going on within their leadership race. The NDP are skating on what could be a criminal

00:07:53.780 offense committed by one of their MLAs in a vile, politically motivated effort to access the personal

00:07:59.280 health records of Jason Kenney. You're not hearing a lot about this. It's out there, but you're not

00:08:03.600 a lot. And giving credit where it's due, the state broadcaster, our CBC, the mother corp, dug into the

00:08:08.960 court records and found some pretty damning evidence on the alleged hacking efforts of NDP

00:08:13.800 MLA Thomas Dang. Dang has admitted that he was trying to hack the Alberta health records because

00:08:19.740 he wanted to test the system, he says. He'd heard there might be vulnerabilities and felt it was

00:08:23.720 his civic duty to test it out for the safety of Albertans. To be blunt, that's a load of crap. 0.99

00:08:29.480 Court documents indicate Dang's efforts were focused in on Premier Kenney. It's not a coincidence. 0.99

00:08:33.620 He was using Kenney's birthday and other information in hopes of finding out Kenney's

00:08:37.560 vaccination status through using brute force hacking programs. He spent four days trying,

00:08:43.320 and he wasn't as good a hacker as he thought he was because now he's facing charges.

00:08:47.140 Now, clearly, what Dang was likely hoping to find anyways was evidence that Kenny wasn't

00:08:51.780 vaccinated. In that case, one can presume he would leak the information and hopefully start a scandal

00:08:56.420 that would harm the UCP. I suspect if Dang had managed to crack into the system, he would have

00:09:00.320 moved on to other UCP MLAs too, and who knows, other public figures to try and find out who's

00:09:04.960 vaccinated and who's not, and shame them because the NDP were constantly demanding who's vaccinated,

00:09:10.300 who's vaccinated, who's vaccinated. Well, they feel that they have the right to, at least Mr.

00:09:14.680 Dang felt he had the right to go in and try and find that out. Now, the alleged acts of Dang are

00:09:18.000 scandal enough. The potentially explosive part of this story, though, revolves around who knew what

00:09:22.400 and when. I mean, court documents indicate Dang had notified the NDP chief of staff, Jeremy Nolay,

00:09:27.820 and NDP director of communications, Benjamin Aldritt, about his findings. And these are top

00:09:33.660 staffers within the NDP? Did he report to them because the party had sanctioned his efforts?

00:09:38.900 Did they know he was trying to hack private information to citizens while he was doing it,

00:09:42.580 or did they only know afterwards? Did Rachel Notley know? That's the big question.

00:09:46.780 Nolay and Aldrich are her main advisors. Did an opposition party purposely support efforts to

00:09:53.280 violate the medical privacy of citizens? If they didn't know Dang was doing it, did they

00:09:58.620 immediately condemn him and report it to the police as soon as he told them about it?

00:10:02.600 Aldrich sent an email to Alberta Health Communications Director Steve Buick, I guess, claiming a party, just in quotes, had tipped him off to a potential breach.

00:10:10.800 Now, he already knew it was Dang, but he neglected to mention that. It was just a party.

00:10:14.900 Now, Dang's going to be going to court at the end of this month.

00:10:16.580 Perhaps we'll get more clarity on what happened and it'll be revealed then.

00:10:20.040 Right now, there's some serious questions hanging out there, and we may never hear the answers to them.

00:10:24.460 This incident could warrant a public inquiry.

00:10:27.040 We aren't going to get one, though, because the mainstream media is too busy complaining about Theron Flurry's appearance at a Daniel Smith rally.

00:10:35.100 Well, that's what's got me going on right now, guys.

00:10:37.520 That's why we need alternative media and we need people with the courage to get in on the real issues and talk about them.

00:10:43.400 So let's bring somebody in on that.

00:10:45.080 And that's reporter Eva Siddick coming from the newsroom with the updates for today.

00:10:48.720 Hey, Eva, what's going on out there?

00:10:50.600 We got to break out a story on your rant, a topic for today on NDP leader Rachel Notley,

00:10:57.420 knowing about Deng's violations and his hacking attempts. So people can go and read more about

00:11:03.060 that. And I'm sure that they will love your insights that you're providing today and what

00:11:06.780 you can tell them kind of what this means. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's up on the standard site up front

00:11:13.160 there, I think. We have a new story on conservative candidate Leslyn Lewis has taken a stance

00:11:18.460 supporting the Dutch farmer protest and said that Canada is following the same destructive path

00:11:23.660 to farming especially with the liberal net zero policy commitments that want to completely

00:11:28.620 decarbonize the entire food supply chain. Our reporter Amanda Brown dug into a story yesterday

00:11:35.420 on a vaccine-injured Ontario woman who has come forward describing her frustrating experience.

00:11:41.580 She was randomly selected for COVID testing for the third time during traveling and COVID

00:11:48.460 COVID travel, third time being randomly selected, and she was coming back into Canada last month.

00:11:56.600 Her story involves an at-home COVID test kit that was missing components, being told she had a positive test result,

00:12:03.020 and then later being told that her test was damaged and inconclusive.

00:12:07.640 So her incorrect test results postponed medical treatments and caused undue hardship for her family.

00:12:12.940 You can read more about that on the website.

00:12:14.800 We have another one about when the Freedom Convoy rolled through Ottawa this winter,

00:12:20.080 a huge government compensation fund was budgeted for businesses claiming economic damage.

00:12:25.680 A few compensation funds were made. One only saw 82% of the grant money go unclaimed,

00:12:32.640 while another one gave away only 43% of the fund. Of almost 2,000 eligible businesses,

00:12:39.200 Ottawa approved 1,127 applications and gave out only $8.6 million of the $20 million that were

00:12:48.320 budgeted for this cause. We have a few Alberta stories up as well. A Lethbridge hostage incident

00:12:54.800 yesterday ended with an injured captive and a suspect in handcuffs. We are awaiting more

00:13:00.400 information there from police. And our newest reporter Jonathan Bradley wrote up a story on

00:13:05.440 the danielle smith rally that was held in calgary last night and asked some very compelling questions

00:13:10.640 that received applause from the crowd go check out his story and the video to see what that's all

00:13:15.840 about and that's what we got going in the newsroom there will be more coming out today from everyone

00:13:21.040 here amanda's working on a few things and now as well right on yeah it's uh you know a sparse one

00:13:27.520 i i i know folks are escaping to the stampede and doing some uh other things but there's still

00:13:32.160 plenty going on out there and you guys are hammering away, making sure it comes up. So

00:13:36.400 I appreciate the updates and look forward to seeing the stuff breaking as it comes.

00:13:42.660 Yeah. I'll let you know, Corey. Great. Thanks. Okay. That's our Eva Siddick. I didn't even abuse

00:13:48.480 her bugger as Dave always tells me to do when she comes on for those updates. I'll be nice. It's 0.97

00:13:52.680 Friday. Let's get through the week here. But yes, there is lots going on out there. Eva is reporting

00:13:57.640 on a lot and writing, as is Amanda and Mel, and it's hard to list them all. Jonathan Bradley,

00:14:02.900 he's new out here in Calgary, and he's been working hard, and yeah, he went out to Smith's

00:14:06.980 Rally the other day, as Eva said. Got a question in out there, and yes, we have a lot of news going

00:14:14.660 on. Now, to make sure you can keep accessing that, like I said, that Jaime Rubinstein piece,

00:14:18.700 that's really worth reading as well, and it's, you know, under the columns, the opinion section,

00:14:23.360 but it's full of facts and full of a lot of breaking things on the Indian residential schools

00:14:27.480 particularly in Kamloops. You have to have a membership though. And if you haven't subscribed

00:14:33.560 already, hey, get on there. $10 a month, $99 for a year, less than a newspaper subscription. You get

00:14:39.600 full access to all these stories as they break. We're covering stuff the legacy media won't. As

00:14:44.460 I said, we're going to hammer on as George Nelson saying, yeah, we're not going to let it wither on

00:14:48.700 the vine with this NDP Thomas Dang thing. We're going to find out what the hell happened there

00:14:53.220 because this is important. This is privacy. This is medical records. Was this just one idiot? Or

00:14:58.560 was there actually a party effort to try and hack into the records of elected members of the

00:15:05.000 legislature? They'll report that even if the mainstream won't. We'll report on these questions

00:15:09.380 with the residential schools and who's there or not. Mainstream media won't. The reason we can do

00:15:14.700 it though, again, hey, we got thousands of subscribers and thank you all who have subscribed

00:15:18.360 already. And if you haven't yet, get in there, guys. It's well worth it. We're not asking for

00:15:22.080 charity. We won't take tax dollars and we're offering a service and we just want you to pay

00:15:26.960 10 bucks a month or even less with that 99 bucks a year and there's a free trial. Okay, enough

00:15:31.560 self-promotion for now. Let's dig into a few more of these stories until my next guest gets here.

00:15:36.680 Eva mentioned this one and this is something else. Again, as the case just keeps falling apart for

00:15:41.460 why the Emergencies Act was invoked, we're hearing more and more things. One of the things they were

00:15:45.720 also saying was, we have to stop this because Ottawa businesses are being crushed by this

00:15:50.040 convoy. Oh, it's costing the economy a fortune and it's really harming these guys. And I'm sure

00:15:54.980 it did hurt some. I mean, we got to admit, it must have hurt some. There were a lot of people not

00:15:59.700 accessing some ground level things in places that they normally would have because there was a lot

00:16:03.600 of people parked down there and the protests were going on. But was it nearly as much as they claimed?

00:16:08.840 No, obviously not. Because they said, oh, we're going to have to make sure that we can put money

00:16:13.760 out to save those businesses that suffered. Okay. They obviously had a condition though to say that,

00:16:18.200 you know, you had to prove some degree of lost sales or things like that. Because of course,

00:16:21.420 when you put millions on the table, it will disappear fast if there's no condition. So credit

00:16:24.920 where the government is, for what little credit I could ever give them, they didn't just throw it

00:16:29.900 out there. But what ended up happening? Well, 82% of the money went unclaimed. So yeah, the damage

00:16:34.400 obviously wasn't that bad. The businesses weren't all lined up being able to prove a bunch of loss

00:16:39.140 of business. 1900 businesses could theoretically have received some of that support, yet only 8

00:16:47.040 million of it went out out of the 20. Or was it less? Yeah, even less. So I mean, 8.6 million,

00:16:54.640 you know, 1,200, 1,100 applications. So again, we've got a government that just doesn't

00:17:00.600 hesitate to exaggerate. It doesn't hesitate to play loose with the facts. And as time is passing,

00:17:08.380 their case for what they did over there is falling apart. And that's the reason we've got to stay on

00:17:13.660 their case. This is a, this government, I mean, where do you want to begin with things, but also

00:17:17.800 with our sad sack legacy media, they just don't dig in on these things. And, you know, I'm going

00:17:25.060 to get on to Mr. Giesbrecht again. He's coming on very soon. We're going to talk about the

00:17:28.920 residential schools some more. And this is a whole First Nations thing. I've written a number

00:17:33.080 of columns on it. I've been frustrated with this for the most of my adult life. I worked in the

00:17:38.320 oil field for decades. I worked on a lot of isolated First Nations reserves. And I mean,

00:17:42.620 the conditions a lot of people are in are appalling. As I talked with Tom Flanagan when he was on,

00:17:48.120 he's been on talking about that though. It's not for lack of resources. We're spending a lot of

00:17:52.120 money. We're trying what we can. We're chronically apologizing, but the outcomes aren't working and

00:17:56.940 we need to be allowed to discuss that. We need to say, well, what's not working? What's going wrong?

00:18:01.980 But I tell you what, this is a taboo subject. The mainstream media is terrified of it. Politicians,

00:18:06.500 if you want to see them cower and scurry off really fast, just bring up anything to do with

00:18:12.720 First Nations. Well, we have to. It's a huge issue within Canada. It's dividing the country. 1.00

00:18:17.400 People are upset. People are emotional. People are spending a lot of money and people are divided.

00:18:22.720 And a big part of that, of course, has been the Indian residential schools.

00:18:26.540 And there's a lot of misinformation about those schools going on around out there. I mean,

00:18:30.900 we're basing a whole lot of what apparently happened in these institutions over those

00:18:36.140 periods of time based on anecdotes, based on verbal oral histories. And hey, you can't dismiss

00:18:42.640 every oral anecdote. Of course not. That's important. But you've also got to dig down and

00:18:47.520 get the real facts. And we're not doing that. People are afraid of that. But we have to. We

00:18:52.760 have to. Because again, as I said, we want to see resolution. And we want to see an end to these

00:18:57.080 constant questions. We want to see an end to this division. Well, the very first step you have to do

00:19:01.480 is get to the bottom of the issues and get to the truth.

00:19:04.560 So let's bring Mr. Giesbrecht in and talk a little more about that.

00:19:08.680 He's been on this for quite some time with the Frontier Centre

00:19:10.940 and written in a number of publications and has been very busy.

00:19:13.840 He's a retired judge and he's been on the show before.

00:19:17.220 So welcome back and looking forward to talking some more on this.

00:19:20.760 Thanks very much. It's good to be here, Corey.

00:19:23.540 So I'll stir it out.

00:19:24.900 I noticed you'd kind of popped up in the news recently

00:19:27.360 because of a piece you'd written that got picked up by the Fort Times,

00:19:31.300 I think it was, for Capel. And they just, it was eviscerated. They were furious that you dared

00:19:39.520 write that piece and seriously questioned anything you'd said. And can you expand a bit on what

00:19:44.580 happened there? Yeah, I said that I wished everybody a happy Canada Day. And I said that

00:19:53.420 we have reasons to be proud of our country. We are not a genocidal nation. And

00:20:00.840 we should not feel that we have committed some sort of crime because we haven't. And I made

00:20:10.420 some brief references to the numbers. And I said, yes, definitely. There are some

00:20:17.160 indigenous communities that are very legitimately looking for burial sites of ancestors. And

00:20:25.880 I support that completely. But unfortunately, in many communities, this is all being mixed up with

00:20:34.080 these conspiracy theories about children who were killed by priests and secretly buried at night by

00:20:42.420 six-year-olds and thrown into furnaces, etc. So I said those are conspiracy theories, and we should

00:20:52.220 not be listening to those uh those theories and we should be proud of our country and we should be

00:20:58.060 looking at our real history um and uh and wishing each other a happy canada day yeah well and that

00:21:05.980 turned into a a you know something a controversial in winnipeg where they've renamed at least the

00:21:11.660 city administration did uh canada day and and shamed uh uh an electoral candidate for mayor

00:21:17.660 for her daring to say she wanted to celebrate Canada Day.

00:21:20.520 And again, they usually use this claims of genocide

00:21:23.900 in the Indian residential schools

00:21:25.940 as a reason why we should all be ashamed to be part of Canada. 1.00

00:21:30.000 Yeah, and maybe I could talk about

00:21:33.720 what the evidence actually is about genocide

00:21:39.060 and about children who did die at residential schools.

00:21:42.820 Because there were children who died at residential schools.

00:21:46.200 There's no question about it.

00:21:47.660 the actual number and I won't go into a long convoluted discussion of numbers here because

00:21:55.880 I know that's probably not would not be useful but the one number I would like to mention which

00:22:02.300 I think is very important and nobody contests it's in the TRC Terry Glavin referred to it in

00:22:09.380 his excellent article in the National Post the number that we should remember is 832 now that's

00:22:16.640 number of children who actually died at residential schools and in the overwhelming number of cases

00:22:25.120 that were the cause was disease and even then it was tuberculosis tuberculosis was was a major

00:22:32.640 killer in canada at the time of confederation overall throughout the entire country it was the

00:22:39.760 number one uh disease cause of death but in the indigenous communities the uh the rates were just

00:22:47.200 terrible so reserves for various reasons i won't go into the history but it has to do with crowded

00:22:52.960 living conditions uh under nourishment uh lack of understanding of sanitation that sort of thing

00:22:59.680 uh the tuberculosis rate was was very uh was very high so the number of children who actually died

00:23:07.920 at residential schools was 832 and that's not out of line at all with the death rate on the reserve 0.94

00:23:16.400 at the time as a matter of fact it's a fairly it's a fairly low number uh the trc makes a major

00:23:23.600 mistake uh when they're dealing with that number because they then expand on it and say well um it

00:23:30.240 was the residential schools that caused those children to die in other words they got tuberculosis

00:23:36.240 at uh at residential school and as a result will include not only those 832 but then they

00:23:44.720 then they include all kinds of children who died later um arguing that while they wouldn't have

00:23:53.520 wouldn't have been sick except for the residential schools well the evidence does not bear that out

00:23:59.040 cory the person that's usually quoted on these things is is dr peter bryce and dr peter bryce

00:24:09.440 was very critical of the residential schools for the conditions that gave rise to disease etc but

00:24:17.360 he was equally critical of the reserves where tuberculosis was rampant and many of those

00:24:25.920 conditions the indian people there had no control over but there was terrible poverty uh overcrowding

00:24:33.280 families that often lived into a uh to a little house lack of understanding of sanitation etc

00:24:40.800 so dr bryce looked at all of that but here is the important quote from dr bryce that i think

00:24:47.520 is probably the most important quote in the entire trc report that is truth and reconciliation report

00:24:55.920 According to Bryce, of the children from eight of the schools that he examined, every one of those children, every one of them had the beginnings of tuberculosis when that child entered the school.

00:25:12.220 that is, on the first day of school, the child already had the beginnings of tuberculosis,

00:25:18.980 which means in plain terms, most of those children would have died anyways, whether they

00:25:23.660 were admitted to a residential school or not. It was because of the terrible conditions on the

00:25:31.300 reserves. And there is even discussion, you can go back and look at this, between the officials

00:25:38.740 of the day who were saying well we have to do something about this and they did try to do

00:25:43.860 things but some even argued well we should close the schools or we should insist that every child

00:25:50.020 has a clean bill of health before entering the schools and the counter argument to that was well

00:25:56.420 that would mean that 90 90 of the children would not even get admitted to residential schools we

00:26:03.460 have to close the schools down. In other words, there was such a high degree of tuberculosis in

00:26:09.780 the population at the time that it was just a very sad fact that a certain percentage of people were

00:26:16.740 going to end up dying from it. So I'll stop at that point, but that is the single most important

00:26:25.060 quote probably in the entire uh report concerning disease because the children had tuberculosis

00:26:34.420 for these most of them had the beginnings of tuberculosis when they first went into

00:26:41.060 the residential school so it was entirely unwarranted for the trc to to conclude that

00:26:48.740 it was the residential schools that caused their death yeah and i mean we we have those numbers

00:26:56.260 they're there and they're undeniable i mean it leaves room to examine i mean most another thing

00:27:01.380 that we you know is overlooked a lot is the vast vast majority of first nations children never

00:27:06.580 attended a residential school but they still as you said experienced a lot of high mortality

00:27:12.420 disproportionate to people off of reserve but if anything we should be examining the entire reserve

00:27:17.220 system and particularly at that time I mean they were living in appalling conditions at that point

00:27:21.820 and we need to look historically and see why that was the case but we have this this pinpoint focus

00:27:27.700 on the residential school aspect and I believe you were talking about that before

00:27:31.380 often kids were sent to those residential schools because the home conditions were so bad that it

00:27:35.780 was a mercy to the children to get them out at least and into a residential school. Yes the

00:27:41.800 The schools increasingly became used as child welfare placements.

00:27:47.840 The federal government had no special child welfare homes, and they simply used the residential schools.

00:27:56.580 I would argue that they made a big mistake by doing that, but they used residential schools as child welfare placements.

00:28:05.460 And this was particularly so from the 1950s on, 1950s and 60s.

00:28:11.420 There was terrible conditions on the reserve, which were exacerbated by what I've described

00:28:18.580 as an explosion of the use of alcohol on the reserves.

00:28:21.900 And that gave rise to many neglected children.

00:28:25.700 And the residential schools, until the provincial agencies were brought in as a result of an

00:28:31.660 agreement with the federal government, the residential schools housed all of those children

00:28:39.220 and many problems ensued.

00:28:41.100 you also mentioned the the fact that such a small percentage of children even went to residential

00:28:48.060 schools and that's something that i think is very significant because there seems to be a belief

00:28:54.700 that most indigenous children attended residential schools they were just used by a small percentage

00:29:03.820 in the peak years of enrollment, approximately one-third of the

00:29:12.940 status Indian children attended residential schools. If you look at the entire Aboriginal

00:29:21.500 population, it's a much smaller percentage than that. But in the beginning years and in the later

00:29:26.860 years as few as five percent of the children actually attended residential schools so the

00:29:34.060 truth is that most indian children either attended a day school or no school at all even in the 1940s

00:29:45.820 40 to 50 percent of indigenous children were not attending any school and many of them attending

00:29:53.100 day schools were were there for less than half the year in some cases people would

00:30:00.220 would be enrolled in a school and that's the last the teacher would see them so

00:30:03.980 indigenous education has always been a very very difficult problem but now all of the focus has

00:30:12.060 been on residential schools and there's a gross exaggeration of the importance of residential

00:30:19.500 schools in the history of the entire canadian history and it's particularly uh completely

00:30:27.660 unfair to scapegoat the residential schools as the as the cause of indigenous dysfunction because

00:30:34.860 that's completely untrue it's a minor factor yeah and that's you know i see an example in

00:30:41.500 the comment scroll and i don't really want to pick on a person but still i want to point out

00:30:44.300 but this is the way the discourse tends to happen.

00:30:47.180 And this is what we see from Aaron Petman saying,

00:30:49.620 I can't imagine why anyone would ever want to justify

00:30:51.460 or legitimize residential schools as I see here, disgusting. 1.00

00:30:55.620 So people put their fingers in their ears 0.86

00:30:57.480 and start screaming.

00:30:58.320 As soon as we start trying to dig into the facts,

00:31:00.540 I don't think anybody's trying to justify

00:31:02.300 or legitimize things or try to sugarcoat

00:31:05.180 or say they were beneficial.

00:31:06.820 We just want to get the facts out right now

00:31:08.740 because there's a lot of misinformation

00:31:10.880 and hysterics going on on this issue.

00:31:13.320 Yes, but you see, I think it's almost impossible to do.

00:31:17.840 That type of reaction is typical.

00:31:20.120 Anybody, what you and I are doing right now, we would be called deniers or denialists, something like that.

00:31:26.620 And the message from these, I call them genocide hustlers, perhaps a harsh term,

00:31:33.220 but these people who basically made their careers, built their careers on trying to create the myth

00:31:39.500 that canada is a genocidal nation using residential schools as a as a as a the example of genocide

00:31:49.340 it's not true but what they've basically done is shut down the discussion they say things like

00:31:54.780 well you are a denier or you are denialist if you even have this conversation and then they say well

00:32:01.340 you should be listening to the survivors and now that's one of the most insidious

00:32:09.500 methods of all. Of course, we should listen to survivors, but there's no monopoly on

00:32:19.580 truthfulness. A person's truthfulness does not depend on what school they went to or what

00:32:25.700 ethnic background they have or anything like that. I mean, people tell the truth, people lie, 0.96

00:32:33.220 people exaggerate it has nothing to do with what school you went to or or whether or not you are

00:32:39.860 indigenous or some other some other category but they basically shut down the discussion and

00:32:46.980 anybody who's having the conversation you are not you and i are trying to now is basically discounted

00:32:53.300 as a various names i've even been called a holocaust denier because i'm i'm questioning

00:33:00.580 the residential school narrative. Yeah, well, and we posted a piece by Jaime Rubinstein last night

00:33:07.500 that's questioned a lot of the residential school narrative too, but I got a strong suspicion he's

00:33:11.980 not a Holocaust denier, but that is some of the narrative. And I honestly think some of it comes

00:33:20.600 innocently from people who perhaps just, they haven't dug that deep. They've looked at the

00:33:23.780 superficial mainstream media reporting and they're caring. If they believe the very first myths you

00:33:28.800 hear that children were snatched away from families and stuffed into there and they were

00:33:32.840 abused and they were murdered and the bodies were hidden. I mean, people are horrified. They never

00:33:37.960 like to imagine anybody would do that. But we need to cut through and make people understand that

00:33:42.880 that isn't exactly what happened. Yeah, well, exactly. You referred to the forced to attend.

00:33:49.080 Well, that's one of the biggest myths. The 150,000 children forced to attend residential

00:33:56.300 schools and snatched out of their mother's arms. Well, that's absolutely untrue. Parents signed

00:34:02.040 applications to have their children admitted to residential schools. Before 1920, there was no

00:34:09.760 compulsory attendance at all. So Indigenous parents were at liberty to send their children

00:34:19.320 or not to send their children. And even after 1920, parents had the choice of sending their 0.76

00:34:26.420 children to either residential schools or day schools. It was only in areas where there were no

00:34:33.120 day schools available that they were required to send them to residential schools. Now it gets a

00:34:41.640 bit complicated because what I've said about the, sorry, what I've said about the child welfare

00:34:51.280 placements, those children, I guess you can say yes, if a child was taken and like an apprehended

00:35:01.740 child and put in a residential school, they were forced to attend. You can use that language if

00:35:07.360 you want. But the fact is that most Indigenous parents decided whether they wanted their child

00:35:14.520 in a residential school or not. They had to put their child in some school like every other 0.99

00:35:20.660 citizen in Canada. And that could be a day school and later it could be a public school. And many

00:35:26.540 of them did that. Many of them chose that. But the idea that all of these children were forced to

00:35:31.980 attend is one of the great myths because uh it it is just uh it is just not true catholic parents

00:35:41.180 um who chose a residential school chose a catholic uh residential school uh protestant parents um

00:35:51.180 chose a um a protestant school for some reason corey which i am not i'm not even understanding

00:35:59.020 It's the Catholic schools that are bearing the brunt of the criticism now and all of these stories and their conspiracy theories about priests or nuns murdering children in unspecified ways and secretly burying them with the forced help of six-year-olds.

00:36:20.140 They have no, there's absolutely zero evidence supporting any such claim.

00:36:27.960 And I think you recently published the archaeologists' report showing that it's almost impossible that there would be 215 secret graves at Canloops.

00:36:42.640 But this is now being, it is hysteria. That's what it is. And it's being fueled by all of this government money, which is basically being thrown around these communities. And it's going to keep this false narrative going probably for years. We're probably going to be hearing about this for forever.

00:37:03.740 It's doing great damage to the country domestically and internationally. I gave my example about the Uyghur campaign last time, so I won't do that again, but I think we're doing great harm to ourselves, and we are embittering particularly indigenous youth who now don't know what to believe. 1.00

00:37:26.100 They're being told that their ancestors were being murdered and thrown into furnaces.

00:37:31.460 These are lies.

00:37:32.600 These are false stories. 1.00

00:37:33.760 And the responsible Indigenous leaders have a responsibility to tell them so.

00:37:39.860 But that's not happening.

00:37:42.420 Yeah, well, and all we can do is just keep pushing and we won't give up.

00:37:46.260 And again, you know, if things are proven otherwise, then we'll adjust.

00:37:52.120 I mean, but right now, the thing that always scares me is when people say we can't even

00:37:55.200 talk about it.

00:37:55.760 That's when there's a problem.

00:37:56.920 That's when we don't get to the facts

00:37:59.080 and we're getting shouted down.

00:38:01.000 And as you said, look, there's billions

00:38:02.980 in settlements going out

00:38:04.080 and there's some class action lawyers

00:38:05.920 who are doing really, really well

00:38:07.280 out of those settlements.

00:38:08.040 And they're very well inspired

00:38:09.480 to keep a lot of this hysteria going.

00:38:11.980 And it's unfortunate.

00:38:14.440 But I have to let you go.

00:38:16.400 Where can we find more information?

00:38:18.400 And I appreciate you coming on.

00:38:20.860 Well, I'm published in various places.

00:38:23.300 I would just say Google my name

00:38:24.860 and you could read whatever you want that I've written.

00:38:29.660 I just wanted to mention, Corey, a subject we haven't touched on yet

00:38:34.700 and you might want to talk further about is the fact that the RCMP

00:38:38.600 have not investigated properly any of these claims.

00:38:44.740 And this is a travesty.

00:38:46.000 They should have immediately secured the area at Kamloops

00:38:50.520 when this horrible claim was first made

00:38:53.480 and they should then have investigated and excavated if necessary they haven't done so

00:39:00.520 they could have put an end to this nonsense a year ago so if you want to talk about that that

00:39:05.560 sometime in the future i'd be happy to well we'll get you on and go more into that because it's a

00:39:10.360 very valid point and worthy of another 15 minutes of discussion so uh all right well thank you and

00:39:16.360 uh well keep on it and we'll we'll uh we'll just keep trying to get to the bottom of things okay

00:39:21.640 Thanks, Corey. Thanks. That was Brian Giesbrecht, a retired judge, and he's done a lot of work on

00:39:27.240 this. You can find it in the Frontier Centre and things as well. It's a lot of the comments. Yeah,

00:39:31.560 Christine Coates saying they're being told by our elders. So they're lying? Actually,

00:39:35.640 sometimes, yes, they are. Or sometimes people have misconceptions. Even sometimes people

00:39:42.440 believe things. The example Tom Flanagan used quite often, again, and that's the unfortunate

00:39:46.680 thing with oral history, but it's the reality. You know, remember the telephone game when you

00:39:50.520 You stand around and you whisper something in somebody's ear and you get it all the way around in a circle.

00:39:54.220 And of course, by the time, whatever you whispered in the first person's ear is totally different by the time it's gone through eight people.

00:39:58.980 We've got a oral history now that we're talking about and we're basing things on from 80 years ago, 90 years ago.

00:40:04.220 And yes, it gets changed.

00:40:05.860 It gets, whether there's ill intent or not, it's not necessarily accurate.

00:40:10.660 And some of the stories, and that's in that piece by Heidi Rubenstein that we put up last night on the Kamloops Residential School.

00:40:17.740 And these are quotes from children who attended at that time.

00:40:19.780 And there was this rumor, this myth, and kids do that. You have those myths, you have ghost stories, you have things like that, and you start believing them later in life. There was this myth that there were secret burials in the apple orchard outside the school. That's what all this GPR study was about, to try and find these bodies from this apparent conspiracy of burying children.

00:40:40.720 Now, if this was really happening, and as was put at the very end, why isn't there a forensic investigation?

00:40:45.540 If this was anything else, you'd be saying, we're looking for the criminals.

00:40:48.160 We need the bodies. We need autopsies. We need to find out what happened.

00:40:51.420 Well, it's been over a year, and not a single excavation's been done.

00:40:56.900 As well, now, as we've seen with the evidence, too, that I posted on that story,

00:41:00.840 there have been other excavations that happened since that happened.

00:41:03.560 There's been trenches going across that whole area.

00:41:05.460 There was a sewage pond dug in that whole area where these bodies were supposed to be,

00:41:10.360 and not one body was found.

00:41:12.360 There might not, and I'll just say might not, because we haven't dug to find out,

00:41:15.880 might not even be a body there.

00:41:17.840 And if there are bodies, we don't know how and why they went in.

00:41:20.720 But we've jumped on to assumptions.

00:41:23.840 And this isn't helping.

00:41:26.120 This isn't helping.

00:41:27.040 We want to get to the truth.

00:41:28.820 We want to find that way.

00:41:30.080 I won't deny there was abuse by priests and religious people running those schools.

00:41:34.540 Absolutely. Unfortunately, child predators are drawn to circumstances where they can get control

00:41:39.360 of children. And a good way to do it was through religious orders in order to get onto those 0.56

00:41:46.120 schools, the residential schools and non. And it happened. There were people abused in those

00:41:50.440 schools. But to the extent, that's the question. And what was the history of the schools? As we

00:41:57.420 said, not everybody was forced into them. Another problem too was the conditions on the reserves.

00:42:02.100 And this is a problem too.

00:42:03.260 And this is where Canada should be examining what we did wrong.

00:42:06.160 But the conditions on the reserve were terrible.

00:42:08.220 And children were taken out of abusive households.

00:42:10.800 Households sometimes, again, where the parents were in just too inebriated a condition to keep the children safe.

00:42:16.260 And they were actually brought to the residential schools for safety.

00:42:18.800 I know people don't like hearing that, but there's some truth.

00:42:20.340 Those are the ones that were often forced.

00:42:22.420 And that still happens now.

00:42:23.600 And that's what a lot of these lawsuits are coming now too, with social services recently taking, and it's disproportionate,

00:42:28.400 children from Aboriginal households, Indigenous households, and putting them into social services

00:42:33.140 or foster care. But the problem is those households aren't safe for those children. It's not some

00:42:37.460 conspiracy to snatch people away from their parents. The government, for the most part,

00:42:41.140 particularly now, really would rather not. But we can't deny what's going on. Then we also,

00:42:47.080 then we should be looking at why. Why is there such a socioeconomic disaster with our Indigenous 0.96

00:42:51.900 people? Because this is a big problem. There is a lot of suffering. But we've got to stick to the 1.00

00:42:56.480 facts and set these emotions aside. And we've got to quit trying to shut down debate. We've got to

00:43:00.880 quit trying to shout people down. And there's a lot of mythology. I saw Ashley pointed out another

00:43:05.500 one with the smallpox blankets. We called that genocide. That was a myth. Look it up. There's 0.95

00:43:09.580 no truth to it. There was no smallpox blanket thing killing kids. It's just those myths still

00:43:15.800 go around. It doesn't mean a person said it to try and cause harm, but that's just the reality.

00:43:20.860 That's what's going on. We just got to go into it. And there could be things wrong. Hey,

00:43:26.480 Look, if these things happen in Kamloops or some of these other schools, you know, what's this?

00:43:34.260 Babies were found in the wall of a Catholic nun rooming house in Alberta?

00:43:38.200 No, they weren't.

00:43:40.040 God, guys, come on.

00:43:41.800 Where's the police investigations?

00:43:43.680 Where are they?

00:43:45.340 Let's get a forensic investigation going then.

00:43:47.740 Some people should be charged.

00:43:49.920 Let's dig some holes.

00:43:51.960 And hey, I'll tell you, I'll be in the front of the line.

00:43:54.420 if they dig a bunch of holes in Kamloops and find a bunch of bodies of children with ligature marks

00:43:59.380 around their necks, or they've been dismembered, or all some of the crazy stories that have gone on,

00:44:02.820 then let's get on and find out exactly what happened there. But we haven't had one yet.

00:44:08.740 It's not to say they aren't there, but we need to have the conversations. We need to have the facts.

00:44:13.600 Oh, and Rocky says it's a cover-up in St. Paul. Welcome back to Conspiracy Theories.

00:44:19.720 Really?

00:44:21.260 Come on.

00:44:22.840 So, you know, we got babies hidden in walls.

00:44:27.980 We got the stories of children thrown in furnaces. 0.83

00:44:30.520 We got the stories of, you know, and people who believe them.

00:44:33.940 I can understand why they're upset.

00:44:35.580 Of course.

00:44:36.080 What a horrible thing to think.

00:44:37.380 It's happened.

00:44:39.460 But I will not be shouted down.

00:44:41.980 I won't.

00:44:42.940 I'm the opinions editor.

00:44:44.200 I put the piece up that Jaime Rubenstein sent us the other day.

00:44:47.940 Yeah, because I give the thumbs up and thumbs down on those. 0.59

00:44:50.360 If I thought it was complete baloney or trying to spread hate or any crap like that,

00:44:54.220 I wouldn't put it up there. 0.90

00:44:56.280 Rocky's saying, let's get on it.

00:44:57.360 Well, get on it.

00:44:57.880 Call the police, Rocky.

00:44:59.620 Get them up there.

00:45:00.280 Find those baby bodies and let's investigate it.

00:45:03.140 But right now, it's just an oral myth.

00:45:06.140 And I guess I can't say 100% that it didn't happen.

00:45:09.620 But we need evidence.

00:45:10.640 We need evidence.

00:45:11.240 And we're making settlements based on oral attestations of crimes that haven't been proven.

00:45:16.140 settlements that are costing billions of dollars. Or as is also pointed out, this is hurting people.

00:45:21.000 This is making, this is harming Indigenous youth wondering what happened in the past. This is

00:45:25.140 harming unity in general, the relationship between non-Indigenous people and Indigenous people. 1.00

00:45:31.960 This is a big problem, but we need the facts and we aren't getting them. Why is it a year later 1.00

00:45:37.660 and we haven't moved a teaspoonful of dirt on the Kamloops of parent raves? Shouldn't we be

00:45:44.300 looking? Shouldn't we be confirming? But we aren't. We

00:45:50.780 aren't. Because why? I'm sorry, but I suspect it's because as we

00:45:54.820 said, a lot of people are making a lot of money out of these

00:45:56.640 class action settlements. And RCMP corruption. See, Rocky is

00:46:01.420 now saying it's a conspiracy of the RCMP. And hey, I'm not a big

00:46:03.680 fan of the RCMP and everything they do. But they're not hiding

00:46:05.920 baby bodies. It's not happening. So yes, we're making

00:46:11.560 settlements to make it go away, as Marvin Sherry Stewart's saying, and buy votes. And there's some

00:46:15.960 truth to it. But the thing is, it's not going away, is it? Every settlement that gets paid,

00:46:19.420 a new apparent atrocity gets brought up, and we get another apology and another settlement.

00:46:23.740 I don't blame the people for taking the settlement. Of course, why not? Somebody's

00:46:26.920 handing you money. Particularly a lot of First Nations people are living in rough conditions.

00:46:32.080 But we've got to get real with some of this. Let's see the bodies. 1.00

00:46:40.760 And if we've got the bodies, let's find out what happened.

00:46:43.760 Another of the things from Jaime's piece was pointing out

00:46:47.340 there was documentation of all these children coming and going,

00:46:51.520 if only for the sheer fact that they needed to pay their bills.

00:46:54.360 They got paid per student.

00:46:56.060 Now, somehow, 200 and some were secretly killed and buried.

00:47:00.360 And yet, there's no parents who are saying,

00:47:02.100 I misplaced my child in that period.

00:47:03.740 Nobody looking for them.

00:47:05.000 No relatives looking for them.

00:47:06.480 We can't find the names of any of these missing people, apparently.

00:47:09.800 Where are they?

00:47:12.080 Let's have the conversation.

00:47:13.260 It's sensitive for a lot of people.

00:47:14.580 It is, and reasonably so.

00:47:16.820 I mean, you can't think of anything more sensitive than the deaths of children.

00:47:22.040 Okay, well, we've got our next guest coming in.

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00:48:39.460 well worth it. Their website is cssa-cila.org. Okay, that helps pay the bills. Now back to

00:48:48.260 Mr. Bernier. Thanks for coming in. I see you're all stampeded up this week.

00:48:52.020 Yes, absolutely. You know, for me, I like to be here. You know, people, journalists from Toronto

00:48:58.900 used to call me the Albertan from Quebec and I'm very proud of that. I like to be here. We have

00:49:04.980 same kind of values and vision so well there is i mean that's something i've talked about in the

00:49:10.340 past back when i was involved in independence movements there's more in common with a lot of

00:49:14.180 quebecers than we might think in alberta i mean we're clashing because of the battles over the

00:49:18.100 federal system but if we had our own provincial autonomy i got a feeling we wouldn't be fighting

00:49:22.820 with each other nearly as much absolutely and for me that's a good thing that you're asking

00:49:26.420 for more autonomy you're asking the federal government to respect our constitution respect

00:49:31.540 our charter of rights and freedom and it's all about that the ppc you know we created that party

00:49:37.220 based on four principles as you may know individual freedom personal responsibility respect and

00:49:43.220 fairness and we are doing politics differently and when i'm seeing that 32 percent of albertans

00:49:50.580 are ready to separate more than in quebec in quebec it's at 30 there's a challenge here for

00:49:57.780 establishment politicians and they don't want to engage and they don't want to have a discussion

00:50:04.580 and for us western alienation is there and we have a solution for that and and we're

00:50:10.980 speaking about that solution not only here in alberta but also outside alberta well outside

00:50:16.980 of alberta as well that same poll i think you're referencing also found that 21 of ontarians felt

00:50:21.860 they would be better outside of confederation like what an indication that this country is broken

00:50:25.860 and when across the country, even ostensibly the most powerful province in the country,

00:50:30.340 and citizens aren't feeling well in control of their affairs there either.

00:50:33.280 Absolutely.

00:50:34.480 And the solution to that is to stop to interfere in provincial jurisdiction,

00:50:38.740 but also to be sure that this country will be freer and more prosperous.

00:50:43.800 And the way to do that is to build pipelines.

00:50:46.620 And we have the solution for that is to change the equalization formula,

00:50:51.120 to be less generous.

00:50:52.340 But we are the only national political party that is saying that because all these establishment politicians, including Pierre Poitier, that is a career politician, he jumped into politics at 25 years old.

00:51:05.440 He never had a real boss in his life.

00:51:07.880 And so he cannot understand and he's doing politics based on polling and focus group.

00:51:13.240 And it's not popular to speak for less equalization money and changing the formula in Eastern Canada.

00:51:19.700 So they don't want to speak about that.

00:51:21.360 But that's important, like you just said, for the prosperity of our country, but for the unity of our country.

00:51:27.700 And you've been outspoken on other things.

00:51:29.960 Something that was interesting, I just kind of reviewed your recent tweets and the United Nations and some of the,

00:51:34.560 as we seem almost sometimes beholden to international interests when we can't seem to get our domestic affairs in order.

00:51:40.460 But nobody speaks up about that.

00:51:42.200 No, no. I'm the only one.

00:51:44.240 And I said that at the debate in 2019 when I was on the stage because, as you know, at

00:51:49.800 the last election, they didn't want us to be there.

00:51:52.420 But at the next one, I'll be there because the rule was for us to have 4% of the vote.

00:51:56.840 We had 5% more than the Green Party only after three years.

00:52:02.800 And so I'll be there and I will have the discussion.

00:52:05.320 And I said at that time that the UN is a dysfunctional organization.

00:52:09.040 Actually, we are giving to the UN every year a billion dollars over there.

00:52:14.960 What I'm saying, we can save money because our goal is not for us not to be part of the UN.

00:52:20.620 Yes, as a country, we will be part in the UN, we'll participate.

00:52:24.900 But at one condition, everything that they must do must be in line with our values.

00:52:30.040 If it's not in line with our values, they won't have our money.

00:52:33.880 So I believe that we can save a lot of money.

00:52:36.760 Yeah, because I mean, they're not going to change their values anytime soon.

00:52:42.840 So, I mean, you've been traveling across the country. The last time I had you on the show,

00:52:46.840 you were on the East Coast at that time. So you're still organizing, I imagine. I mean,

00:52:50.920 with the minority government, you're always preparing for the next election. How's that

00:52:53.880 been going? Absolutely. You're right. You know, I did a road trip last May in Atlantic Canada,

00:53:00.200 in the Maritimes. Road trip because, as you know, I didn't have the right to travel across the

00:53:04.680 country now i can travel by plane so i'm doing that i'm here and in atlantic canada actually

00:53:12.040 our goal was to build the party being sure to be ready for the next election because like you just

00:53:18.200 said we don't know it can be this far it can be three years in four years but we will be ready

00:53:23.400 and and i did some rallies over there also i was in dc two days ago i'm here for the weekend i'll

00:53:31.720 be back also during summertime for me it's the best time do rallies barbecues meeting our people

00:53:38.920 helping our writing association our association across the country to raise money and i'm very

00:53:45.640 pleased because we have very strong and generous donors we are able to work and build this party

00:53:54.760 step by step and as you know the platform of our party is always the same i said the same thing in

00:54:02.440 20 at the election in 2019 same thing at the last election and that would be the same platform so

00:54:07.560 that's why we are able to attract people our members and our people know okay what we are

00:54:12.760 saying today it will be the same thing tomorrow until we win that battle of ideas until we win

00:54:18.600 that common sense revolution. And I believe that it would happen.

00:54:23.880 Well, and you know, it kind of segues into what I was speaking of earlier with a sensitive issue,

00:54:27.960 but being able to just speak up and take them on. And that was something, for example,

00:54:32.440 Mr. Polyam was here a few days ago. We had a good conversation, but I asked about Tamera Leish,

00:54:36.680 for example, and he kind of dodged off. We've got some people languishing in jail right now

00:54:42.120 for taking part in protests and our federal candidates don't want to touch that.

00:54:45.880 Did you ask him about the pipelines?

00:54:48.600 On that interview, no, I don't think so.

00:54:50.420 Yeah, because he doesn't have a solution.

00:54:52.000 He's saying publicly that it's for pipelines, but Harper also was for pipelines.

00:54:57.160 And actually, we don't have any pipelines right now.

00:54:59.800 And the only way to have that is to use the Constitution, Section 9210.

00:55:04.520 And like that, the federal government will have the full jurisdiction,

00:55:07.440 and nobody will be able to stop.

00:55:09.260 If Quebec is against the pipeline, they won't be able,

00:55:12.140 because the federal government will have the jurisdiction

00:55:15.200 and the responsibility to build pipelines.

00:55:17.580 But Polyev and all these establishment politicians won't say that because they don't want to unplace Quebec or BC.

00:55:26.420 Did you ask a question about immigration?

00:55:29.660 Because it's aligned with also the mass immigration.

00:55:33.180 You won't do anything about that. 0.55

00:55:34.240 Well, I'm just remembering the pipelines.

00:55:36.740 Actually, we did talk briefly about it because I did ask, as I said, it's a dicey area because you want provincial autonomy and respect that.

00:55:42.720 But at the same time, it's a national interest to get the pipeline to the coast.

00:55:46.140 and Quebec is saying, well, we're not going to allow it over the pipeline across here.

00:55:50.100 What would you do?

00:55:51.040 And I think you spoke a lot along the lines of we would convince Quebec

00:55:54.260 as to why the pipeline is a good thing.

00:55:55.860 Yeah, but, you know, that's not the solution.

00:55:57.520 The solution is to be, you know, Harper tried to convince Quebec.

00:56:02.240 And everybody, the Quebec government is listening to the radical environmentalists.

00:56:08.160 But the reality is they cannot stop a pipeline if we use the Constitution.

00:56:13.340 And it's easy.

00:56:13.920 You pass a law, you said that pipeline, Energy East, any pipeline, is in the national interest of our country.

00:56:21.300 And like that, the federal government would be able to do that.

00:56:23.540 And actually, we did that more than 100 times in our history since Confederation.

00:56:29.120 That's why we were able to build national infrastructure.

00:56:32.360 So that's the solution.

00:56:34.040 They don't want to speak about that.

00:56:35.600 And I like Pierre Poliev.

00:56:36.660 You know, he's a good speaker, but if you listen to his sound speech, it's a 20-minute sound speech with buzzword, and he did a lot of focus group, to be sure to please you.

00:56:49.500 So I believe that people are tired of establishment politicians, and Pierre is one of them.

00:56:54.420 And when I said, you know, I was a conservative, and I said this party is morally and intellectually corrupt, I said that in 2018, and we have to prove.

00:57:03.800 now Pierre Poliev is the favor of the month and in a couple of months from now they're going to

00:57:09.080 go to the left because as you know to be in government they need to have seats in the GTA.

00:57:14.280 There's more seats in the GTA than in all Alberta so he will go to the left before the election to

00:57:20.360 try to please them so he's doing politics based on survey and polling not based on conviction.

00:57:26.200 That's the big difference between myself and all these establishment politicians. And that's the

00:57:31.080 frustration with regional conservative values or you know liberty values that they aren't shared

00:57:36.680 and mathematically a party tends to be beholden to central canada i see one of the commenters jb

00:57:41.800 alberta said though you know how do we get the strong conservative vote here in central alberta

00:57:46.200 then to move to the ppc because they i mean they are wedded to that conservative party yeah

00:57:50.760 what i'm telling them you know there's no such thing as splitting the vote pierre poliev wants

00:57:56.280 to split the liberal vote that is job to be in government you know you voted for the conservative

00:58:01.640 and you had to do two times so vote for what you believe in vote for your ideas and you know if

00:58:07.960 you want a change vote for what you want and you'll have more chances to have that change

00:58:13.720 to have what you want so that being said if you vote for a ppc candidate i don't believe that

00:58:22.200 that a liberal will be elected here in Alberta.

00:58:24.840 So you won't split any vote.

00:58:26.320 And that candidate will be insurance police for you,

00:58:30.240 being sure that the conservative will stay conservative

00:58:33.560 and will be in the right path.

00:58:37.280 That's what I'm telling people.

00:58:39.360 A vote for a PPC candidate in Alberta

00:58:42.880 is a vote for your values.

00:58:44.680 And to be sure, we can be the balance of power like the NDP

00:58:49.160 and keep the conservative in the right direction

00:58:53.060 because they will try to please everybody

00:58:55.420 and they will go to the left like Harper did.

00:58:58.220 And speaking about conservative, we were in government

00:59:00.840 and I was part of that government.

00:59:02.500 I want to ask people, what is the legacy of Stephen Harper?

00:59:06.060 You had Stephen Harper for nine years as prime minister.

00:59:09.960 Nothing, no legacy.

00:59:12.140 Sorry about that.

00:59:12.880 Maybe the whiteboard, dismantle the whiteboard.

00:59:16.000 That was the legacy of Stephen Harper.

00:59:18.160 Nothing for the West. 1.00

00:59:19.860 And they are the conservative and Polyev.

00:59:24.040 And Polyev is the candidate of the establishment,

00:59:26.560 is the candidate of Harper and the establishment

00:59:28.980 of the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:59:31.200 And they will do it like they always did,

00:59:34.940 having policies to please Ontario and Quebec.

00:59:37.680 And that's why Polyev is not able to tell you

00:59:39.740 that he will use the constitution

00:59:41.160 and impose a pipeline on Quebec and BC

00:59:44.240 for the good of our country

00:59:46.580 and the prosperity of our country and the unity of our country and you know i'm from quebec i

00:59:51.700 can tell you that quebecers if you explain them if you explain to them that it's safer for the

00:59:57.940 environment and for the and for and and for the population to transport oil and gas by pipelines

01:00:05.220 then by trains or trucks they understand that and we have a lot of pipelines in quebec actually

01:00:11.220 all the gas that is going to the trudeau airport in montreal coming from the port of montreal

01:00:17.140 it's by pipelines under the city so we know that pipelines are safe and we need to explain that

01:00:25.140 but these politicians are looking at the poll and they say oh can quebecers are quebecers right now 0.97

01:00:32.020 don't want a pipeline so i won't speak about that that's not leadership they're quebecers right now

01:00:37.700 if you do a poll they're against pipeline because for the last 15 years politicians in quebec were

01:00:44.660 speaking against pipeline you just have to go a little bit further and explain that to the

01:00:48.900 population that's the way we are doing politics by conviction and we think that we have the best

01:00:54.100 idea for this country and that's why we will win the the argument and we will win the battle of

01:00:59.380 ideas so so if you want a a ton of more autonomy in alberta i want to give you control of your

01:01:06.580 immigration i want to give you control of your

01:01:09.140 police force i want to give you if you want a

01:01:12.500 pension plan like quebec you must be able everything that quebec has

01:01:16.340 it must be the same for alberta and every province

01:01:20.020 that's a radical decentralization and if if you want to know more people can go

01:01:24.660 on our website people's party of canada

01:01:26.980 that see and read the speech that delivered in 2019

01:01:30.340 on radical decentralization so there i believe that there's a bright future

01:01:35.780 for alberta inside this country if they vote for more autonomy at the provincial level they must

01:01:43.460 show to other canadians that they're serious they vote for autonomy at the provincial level and we

01:01:49.220 are the only political party at the national level that will do it well and uh i mean likewise uh

01:01:56.420 joshara came in and he said he would support uh a uh provincial pension plan and a police force

01:02:02.260 and those things as well but we hear that a lot yeah yeah yeah so sure is saying that here but

01:02:09.220 but actually to do that you need to believe in it you it's not because you know you want to

01:02:16.980 sure told you that because he did some polling and focus group and that's what you want to hear

01:02:23.380 right now for having your support i was saying that before there's a separatist movement in

01:02:29.700 Alberta. I was saying that in 2018, 2019 in my speeches, because I believe in it, because I'm

01:02:36.900 speaking about respecting the Constitution. And it's all about respecting our Charter of Rights

01:02:42.820 and Freedoms and our Constitution, the separation of powers between the federal government and the

01:02:48.340 provincial government. Yeah, so what's in your future for your tour in the next few days?

01:02:54.260 I will meet a lot of people here. I'm very pleased. If they want to know what I'm doing, they can go on the website peoplespartyofcanada.ca and look at the events. I'll do a barbecue tonight and breakfast also here in Calgary tomorrow morning, meeting our people, speaking about our values, promoting our vision because I cannot come from the mainstream media to give us some coverage.

01:03:18.080 that's why i want to thank you for that uh opportunity for me to speak to your viewers

01:03:23.680 i want to thank you for what you're doing as an independent media you true north it's important

01:03:29.840 we need you and you know speaking about the mainstream media i had a discussion with

01:03:35.760 jordan peterson and i asked jordan what can i do to be able to be more visible in in the

01:03:43.120 mainstream media too because they can they are cancelling us and jordan told me maxime forget

01:03:49.440 the mainstream media be on social media speak to the alternative independent media that that's the

01:03:56.240 future and you'll be successful so i'm very pleased that i'm here with you today well thanks and i

01:04:01.040 appreciate you coming in and and we are seeing more uh i think people realizing that the legacy

01:04:05.600 media is just sick to its core and but alternatives are coming up so there's hope things can look

01:04:10.560 positive well that's great so you've got a barbecue and a breakfast and just maybe one more

01:04:14.560 time where's your website so that you know viewers we got a lot of people's part of canada.ca but

01:04:18.560 also they can follow me on twitter maxime bernier on twitter and you know i tweeted the information

01:04:25.600 on that and i'll do that also tomorrow morning excellent well thanks for coming in to talk to us

01:04:29.680 today and uh enjoy your the rest of your visit in alberta thank you for giving me that opportunity

01:04:34.000 and have a nice day great thank you thank you all right so that was as you saw maxime bernier

01:04:39.840 of the People's Party of Canada, and they are still hard at work. And it's hard to get oxygen

01:04:45.980 when you have a legacy media that only focuses on the mainstream. And we can get around that,

01:04:53.600 though. I mean, we have alternatives. The information flows from the outside, whether

01:04:58.740 it's us or, as he said, True North or Rebel. It can't be blocked. We let the information get out

01:05:07.040 there. And that's been a lot of the theme today. And it's a good theme today that we can hit the

01:05:12.040 issues and the alternatives can get out there, whether it's a party, whether it's media and let

01:05:16.380 voters and citizens and individuals decide. Okay. I see Melanie Risden out there on the

01:05:21.700 midway at the Stampede there. It looks like she's ready to speak with someone. Let's get her on

01:05:26.240 there. How are you doing, Mel? Yeah, good. It's beautiful down here again for another day at the

01:05:32.020 Stampede Grounds and we are talking this time to a real cowboy again. This is Rocker Steiner. He is

01:05:38.080 a bareback rider but he's a rookie bareback rider and my understanding is he is rocking at this

01:05:44.120 Stampede. Tell us how old you are. I'm 18 years old. And where are you from? Weatherford, Texas.

01:05:50.580 So he's a Texas boy and this is his first time visiting Stampede and apparently,

01:05:58.000 Tell me about your first day, first ride.

01:06:01.280 Well, it was everything that everybody said it was going to be.

01:06:04.360 And I had a really good horse and the crowd was here.

01:06:07.000 And I think I put on a show and I think they liked it.

01:06:11.000 Yeah, I think they liked it.

01:06:12.300 And I am pretty sure your first ride here at the Stampede, you took first place for the day, didn't you?

01:06:17.320 I did, yeah. It was a good day.

01:06:19.460 And how's it been going for the rest of the days for you?

01:06:22.800 I've been going good.

01:06:23.880 But, you know, drawn pretty good, placed in all three rounds,

01:06:28.840 and got a good one today, so it should be another good day.

01:06:31.900 Yeah, I know.

01:06:32.400 We don't have you very long.

01:06:33.400 He's got to go get ready here pretty quickly.

01:06:35.760 So how long have you been doing this?

01:06:37.500 When did you start?

01:06:38.520 I started when I was about 13, almost 14 years old,

01:06:41.420 and so I've been doing it almost five years.

01:06:44.100 And it's been all gas the whole time.

01:06:47.940 Yeah, that's what I've heard.

01:06:49.340 I hear you really get the crowd going when you're riding,

01:06:52.900 so having a lot of fun and I guess my question to you is it all business right now or do you get to

01:06:58.200 have some fun here too? Oh it's all business before the rodeo but after I mean all the boys

01:07:03.480 hang out and have a good time and it's not always so serious but before it definitely is. Well and

01:07:10.440 I'm pretty sure you're enjoying the fact that the legal age here is 18 in Alberta compared to down

01:07:16.660 in texas huh yeah well i can't say i haven't had my share of practice in the u.s but uh it's

01:07:22.920 definitely more legal here for sure um what's your favorite part about it you know like you're

01:07:29.160 doing a lot of traveling i'm assuming like where are you heading to from here um my favorite part

01:07:34.640 about it i mean the the crowd here is awesome and the they love cowboys up here and uh we love them

01:07:41.100 and canada's been real good to us so yeah we're trying to be good to it and um just have a lot of

01:07:46.380 fun i can't wait to be back next year and finish this year out all right and so in the standings

01:07:53.740 if i understand it correctly you're well is it okay i know some people are a little um superstitious

01:08:01.180 are you leading in the standings right now i'm like eighth in the world standings somewhere

01:08:05.340 around there i mean uh and this time of summer everybody you know they're the 10th to first i

01:08:11.980 mean about the 5th to 10th to 11th 12th guys always the they're always going up and down

01:08:17.820 people passing you and you're passing them and they'll pass you back up so right now i'm sitting

01:08:21.420 around 7th or 8th or something like that very good and so if you win the stampede um which would be

01:08:27.420 phenomenal as for your work a year uh what do you walk away with um you walk away with fifty

01:08:33.420 thousand dollars it counts for the standings and 100 grand so um it's not it's not a small check

01:08:38.620 and definitely not for an 18 year old and i think i might go wild if i do get that check

01:08:42.940 and uh my dad will probably ground me for about a month so i don't just go absolutely wild

01:08:49.820 uh well this is maybe why your nickname is rockstar yeah so where are you heading after this

01:08:56.060 um going home for a little bit i got some uh i got some torn up ribs gonna go home for a week

01:09:01.340 You can then go to Cheyenne, Wyoming, Salinas, stuff like that.

01:09:05.500 Okay, yeah, bareback riding.

01:09:07.400 Like, you must be injured a lot.

01:09:11.220 Like, I don't know.

01:09:12.080 It's got to be tough on the body.

01:09:13.640 Yeah, you know, I've been hurt twice this year,

01:09:16.840 and I tore my PCL on my knee, my left knee,

01:09:20.060 and took two months off in the winter and separated some ribs

01:09:25.900 and was out over the 4th of July.

01:09:28.340 But, you know, I look at guys like J.B. Mooney and they make this stuff seem like a scrape on the knee and they're a lot tougher than I am.

01:09:37.060 Yeah. So you're you're pretty tough yourself. Yeah. You know what? Good luck.

01:09:41.700 I know you're riding here pretty soon. I think you're one of the first today and and good luck for the entire contest here.

01:09:50.080 And thanks for joining us. I think this is an amazing experience for you.

01:09:53.860 I'm sure, being young and, you know, a rookie rider and winning as much as you have been.

01:10:01.820 Yeah, we're looking forward to seeing how you do.

01:10:05.320 And we'll touch base with you when we're back here next year.

01:10:07.540 Thank you.

01:10:08.180 Yeah.

01:10:08.840 All right, Corey.

01:10:09.520 We're going to see if we can find something to look at on the midway, maybe some food to try out.

01:10:14.120 And we will touch base with you, hopefully, before the end of your show.

01:10:17.880 We'll see.

01:10:18.400 All right.

01:10:18.720 Thanks, Mel.

01:10:19.340 And if not, I'll see you when you get back to the studio here.

01:10:22.260 Sounds good.

01:10:22.800 Right on.

01:10:23.860 Yes, that's our Melanie Risdon. She's out there with Rob Ward. They're wandering the grounds. And yeah, it's quite a catch. You know, he's one of the top, well, top of his field. They're going on on the bareback riding. And as well, just he's obviously a character and he's grabbing a lot of attention and interest in the rodeo world.

01:10:42.280 So, I mean, 18 years old and getting going, yeah, you got to love that Texan accent.

01:10:48.460 And, you know, as you say, he's still got to fix his ribs up and things like that.

01:10:53.140 Like, that's a tough, rough sport.

01:10:55.220 And, you know, I used to ski jump way back, not nearly as rough as that.

01:10:58.580 The difference is ski jumping back then and now.

01:11:00.760 Because I got a feeling, I got all the training.

01:11:01.800 If I strap those skis on, I could probably manage to land a jump still.

01:11:07.980 But if I wiped out now, I would be in the hospital for months if I survived.

01:11:12.280 When I used to wipe out when I was in my teens, whatever, you shake it off, you're a little sore for a couple of days, and then you just go out the next week.

01:11:19.660 So, yeah, this young fella has already beaten his body up a bit, but it seems to be paying off, and he's winning those things out there at the Stampede.

01:11:29.960 That's a big rodeo, that one.

01:11:31.460 That's some high profile if you pull off a win in that one, and he should have a lot of years ahead of him there.

01:11:36.260 So, yeah, we're going to try something in a little bit here with having some callers come in.

01:11:40.040 We're going to do it through Zoom.

01:11:42.280 um and you know uh and end off the show we'll talk with a couple of folks on there if you want

01:11:46.840 to get on we're going to have that set up pretty soon and uh you know if we can get this sort of

01:11:50.840 thing working we can get it more interactive i know there's a few commenters uh you know who

01:11:55.080 disagreed quite strongly with what i was saying that's fair enough it's fine go back and forth

01:12:00.120 or if there's other points we wanted to hit you know i like passing questions on to the guests

01:12:03.960 and things such as that and uh this is an opportunity to give it a try so uh we'll do

01:12:10.120 that probably in a little while. I think Nico's going to share a link for folks to be able to get

01:12:14.060 into the queue and see who's going to come on and have a chat on here. There's the link if you wanted

01:12:21.780 to get on there. If you've got Zoom, that's the ID and the passcode. And you can get into the lobby

01:12:27.820 and we'll see. We'll have a chat with some of you guys who are out there listening and watching all

01:12:31.300 the time. Let's see. In the meantime, I'm going to talk about a little bit of news items going on

01:12:35.220 here. Here's one that gets me going. Uh, yeah. And you can just come in with audio by the way,

01:12:40.620 jet. You know, some people say, you know, you're saying too old to show your face on zoom. Hey,

01:12:43.580 I'm still showing my 51 year old mug out there. Come on. I know some folks still managed to live

01:12:48.380 a little longer. Me there's nothing wrong with showing the ravages of time. It means you made

01:12:53.120 it this far, but either way, uh, yeah. And, uh, Twitter, you know, I was getting going the usual

01:12:57.320 things when it comes to healthcare, healthcare reform, the bottom line is, is, uh, it's not

01:13:03.600 working. It's not working. Canada is falling farther and farther all the time on every index

01:13:08.000 for healthcare, for your outcome, how it's working out for you, and for the dollars spent.

01:13:15.520 Here's a case in Ontario. People have got to wake up. There's a guy who had a shattered leg.

01:13:20.760 He was in a hospital hallway for four days. Four days. Can you imagine? 76 years old. He shattered

01:13:27.500 a bone. And he was stuck in the hospital in Sault Ste. Marie for four days. Like this is beyond the

01:13:37.160 pale. It's surprising that poor fellow survived it even. And these kinds of stories just keep

01:13:43.140 getting more and more common. You know, the waiting lists, if it's not emergency, it's the

01:13:49.020 other waiting lists, specialized procedures, hip replacements, knee replacements, hernia surgery,

01:13:54.740 cancer treatment, you name it. There are people who can't get treatment right now in our system.

01:14:00.840 This is supposedly, again, you know, people saying, oh, it's the best system in the world. Well, no,

01:14:04.060 I'm afraid it's not. And, you know, getting back to, you know, things where we're allowed to talk

01:14:10.220 about them or not, that's part of the problem. Speaking of mythology, I mean, we've built that

01:14:13.940 mythology around the Canadian health system, and it's the best one in the world. And I'm sorry,

01:14:19.720 but it's not. And another thing that drives me nuts, as soon as you start the conversation,

01:14:23.640 oh, look at the American system. No, no, I don't care about the American system. The American

01:14:29.860 system isn't a good system either. It's got aspects, the waiting lists aren't such a problem

01:14:35.500 down there, and they've certainly got a lot more facilities. You look at the ICU levels throughout

01:14:40.200 the pandemic in Montana, a state with a fraction of the population of Alberta, yet they had far

01:14:46.000 more ICU capacity than Alberta. You can't sit there and say the American system is all bad,

01:14:51.480 But there are problems when you've got to pay for some of your private care and things.

01:14:54.780 But I don't care.

01:14:56.580 Because there's 100 other systems out there, 150 other systems out there.

01:14:59.920 There's systems all over Europe.

01:15:01.200 There's systems through Asia.

01:15:02.720 There's systems in South America.

01:15:04.920 Look at them.

01:15:05.520 Let's look at them because a lot of those systems are surpassing ours.

01:15:09.040 So quit acting as if there's only two systems on Earth because that's what happens.

01:15:13.340 They keep saying as if there's the American and there's the Canadian and there's nothing else.

01:15:16.660 Well, that's absolutely untrue.

01:15:18.760 That's a pure myth.

01:15:20.200 And it's a falsehood, and it's leading to us having substandard care.

01:15:24.740 You know, health care is the number one, almost every election,

01:15:28.600 provincially particularly, number one issue.

01:15:31.480 You know, I've worked on campaigns.

01:15:32.480 You always want to see what people are most concerned about,

01:15:35.940 and it's health care.

01:15:38.060 But they never want to change it because they've been driven into their heads

01:15:41.240 for so long that this is the best one on earth.

01:15:43.500 All we need to do is spend more money.

01:15:45.500 That's the only thing you're allowed to say when it comes to our system.

01:15:48.840 Spend more money, spend more money, spend more money.

01:15:50.760 Listen to Rachel Notley.

01:15:51.680 There's a broken record. 0.96

01:15:53.080 But of course, she's beholden to her union masters.

01:15:55.780 Not to the patients, not to the citizens, not to the people, despite what she claims. 1.00

01:15:59.580 She just wants more union jobs, making more money.

01:16:02.880 And we've got to examine the system.

01:16:05.500 If it's really what your top issue is, then let's actually look at it and try to figure

01:16:09.520 out how we can get our top outcomes.

01:16:12.220 And there's some European models.

01:16:14.580 Again, and here's the big dirty word.

01:16:16.800 There's private.

01:16:17.900 Yes, they allow more private than we do.

01:16:19.740 And even worse, private companies make profit.

01:16:25.040 I don't care.

01:16:26.860 I don't care.

01:16:28.020 Good.

01:16:28.400 Good for them.

01:16:29.660 I don't care.

01:16:30.580 Make a profit as long as I'm getting care.

01:16:33.060 As long as it's as good a care as we can get.

01:16:35.780 Profit is not a dirty word.

01:16:37.440 Don't listen to the socialists.

01:16:38.560 The only ones who will tell you that profit is a dirty word are socialists.

01:16:43.640 Socialism never brings innovation.

01:16:45.540 It never brings good customer service.

01:16:47.400 It never brings, you know, all it does, I mean, what's that term I've heard?

01:16:51.760 It's the equal distribution of poverty.

01:16:54.500 They can't bring everybody up to a good level, but they can work to drag everybody down to

01:16:58.420 the same crappy level. 0.90

01:17:00.340 Same thing in the Soviet Union. 0.65

01:17:01.380 Yeah, nobody went without health care there. 0.53

01:17:04.160 Didn't wait for a long time for it, though.

01:17:06.480 Everybody had a job.

01:17:08.180 Didn't make a lot. 0.99

01:17:09.920 Nobody starved, but your food sucked. 0.89

01:17:13.200 Nobody went homeless, but you lived in a 1.00

01:17:15.360 bingy apartment building. 1.00

01:17:17.940 And what did they invent? 0.67

01:17:19.420 Look, what has ever come out of socialist countries 0.97

01:17:21.720 that's creative, that's outstanding, that's different? 0.93

01:17:26.680 What sort of innovations?

01:17:28.680 What sort of inventions?

01:17:30.580 All socialist nations ever do

01:17:32.900 is try to replicate on an equal level

01:17:35.600 the stuff that the developed world

01:17:36.720 with private capitalism going on.

01:17:39.860 They try to bring it into their own countries

01:17:41.360 and run it by the government. 0.99

01:17:41.980 And the government can't manage anything worth crap. 0.96

01:17:43.920 We know that. 0.79

01:17:44.840 They can't even renew passports.

01:17:47.400 Again, how is it?

01:17:48.260 You say that health care is your most important issue of them all,

01:17:52.960 but you want to entrust the group of people who can't renew your passport to manage it for you.

01:17:58.680 And I get back in a lot with what I talk about with capital punishment.

01:18:06.140 You know, people who support capital punishment,

01:18:07.960 but at the same time, look at the ability of the government. 1.00

01:18:11.380 Do you really want to give these imbeciles in government the ability to execute people? 1.00

01:18:15.880 I'm not so sure about this. 1.00

01:18:17.320 All right.

01:18:17.500 Hey, check out some of those links, guys.

01:18:18.940 See if you can get in on that Zoom meeting.

01:18:20.740 I wouldn't mind chatting with one or two of you out there.

01:18:22.700 Become a guest today.

01:18:24.020 Become a guest to cap off the show before the weekend hits. 0.99

01:18:26.720 In the meantime, though, it looks like Melanie's got something else going on out there on the Stampede Midway.

01:18:32.720 We might check in with her and see what's happening.

01:18:35.580 They're still walking around trying to get their shot.

01:18:37.740 Yeah, LinkedIn users are saying, yeah, equal distribution of misery unless you're a high-ranking member of the Communist Party. 0.51

01:18:44.940 Then you can get the finest treatment Switzerland can offer. 0.87

01:18:46.980 And there's truth to that.

01:18:48.040 Like when we talk about health care, people will say, we can't have a two-tier system.

01:18:51.860 We can't have a two-tier system.

01:18:52.920 We can't have somebody get better care than somebody else.

01:18:55.800 Well, hate to bother you, sunshine, but we're already there.

01:19:00.020 We're already there.

01:19:00.720 The people who are very, very wealthy, they're already leaving the country to get better care.

01:19:04.420 and the people who are desperate

01:19:06.540 are leaving the country to get better care.

01:19:08.780 See, it doesn't matter whether you're rich or not.

01:19:11.140 Say you've got a house you worked your whole lifetime.

01:19:13.300 You've got some equity in it.

01:19:14.460 You know, you've got a couple hundred thousand worth in there.

01:19:16.580 You're not rich.

01:19:17.140 You're doing okay.

01:19:17.840 You're not poor, but you're doing...

01:19:19.160 And you're told you need a bypass

01:19:21.060 or you're probably going to die in the next six months.

01:19:23.240 We're going to schedule it for nine months from now.

01:19:25.120 Is that really what some of the choices are coming down to?

01:19:27.120 Oh, what the hell are you going to do?

01:19:28.700 You're going to refinance your house

01:19:30.100 and you're going to fly somewhere and get it done.

01:19:31.860 And it is happening.

01:19:32.880 That is what's happening.

01:19:33.700 or if you don't have that home equity, you're going to go asking your family members to kick

01:19:38.440 in. And if they, if you're a decent family member, they probably will. Yeah, we'll fund you to get

01:19:42.440 out there. We're not talking about the domain of the rich, the privileged. We're talking about the

01:19:46.620 desperate. So let's stop this. And if there's going to be care then happening where people pay

01:19:51.820 out of pocket to get it a little faster, let's keep it in Canada because it'll speed you up in

01:19:55.960 the line, but you got to set aside the envy. And that's part of the problem. The politics of envy.

01:20:00.980 oh no that guy got in faster than me oh well get over it he also got you in faster as well

01:20:07.500 because he paid out of pocket for something all right let's uh see it looks like melanie might

01:20:13.180 be ready for a hit there she's out somewhere it looks like a park or by a sign and uh we'll talk

01:20:18.120 to our mel risden she's out midway with rob ward hey melanie where you at now yeah so um we're down

01:20:26.260 at the elbow river camp and uh this is i mean this used to be way over kind of beside the um

01:20:33.140 the grandstand but i guess for a couple of years now it's been uh moved down to this section is

01:20:38.900 we're kind of across the river from the grounds and uh they've set up here and it's beautiful

01:20:44.900 so there's a lot of history to the camp here and uh you can come down to the to it's where they

01:20:51.460 They have all the teepees set up.

01:20:52.760 They've got all sorts of different vendors down here with indigenous crafts, indigenous foods you can try, and lots of places to sit.

01:21:05.500 It's actually really nice here.

01:21:06.720 Lots of grass, some trees for shade, and then have a look at some of these crafters here.

01:21:14.420 They've just got absolutely beautiful, beautiful crafts and clothes and jewelry and just amazing things that you can come look at here.

01:21:27.160 Definitely something you don't want to miss when you come down to the Calgary Stampede.

01:21:33.100 You know, a lot of heritage here and a lot of history.

01:21:36.280 You can see just across the park here, they've got all of the teepees set up here.

01:21:41.680 And and apparently the people that that sort of run or own the teepees, they have a lot of history in the area.

01:21:49.360 And so they love to talk, they love to tell their stories.

01:21:53.080 You can come down, you can meet them, you can just, you know, you can talk with them for for a long time.

01:22:00.000 Actually, there's there's quite a few people that circle through and cycle through throughout the days.

01:22:05.960 and you can ask them questions and come sit in the teepees and check all sorts of different

01:22:12.680 things that they used to use and tools and things like that. So it's very cool. There's some shopping

01:22:18.760 here that you can check out as well. So I would highly recommend you just cross over the bridge,

01:22:24.280 you come check it out. And yeah, this is just one of the other cool things you can come and

01:22:29.240 experience at the Calgary Stampede. Great. Yeah, that was a, you know, it's been a long,

01:22:34.280 long, long standing tradition for the First Nations people to come out and they would set up

01:22:38.600 and live in their teepees on site. I remember as a kid coming out, I have to admit it, it felt a

01:22:44.360 little awkward because you're walking by and they're living there, you know, and you feel

01:22:47.260 like you're intrusive or poking in. So, I mean, there is some respect people's privacy, but I

01:22:50.760 see it looks like it's much better laid out now for just some good visiting and interaction and

01:22:55.500 get to know some of our First Nations neighbors. So it's another opportunity to bring things up on

01:22:59.540 midway yeah and it's a lot more space right like it's really open and uh apparently they've had

01:23:06.180 the um the uh sorry the citizenship ceremonies here as well and we're you know what we're gonna

01:23:13.460 do too we're gonna take a minute to thank our ambassador our stampede ambassador kevin has

01:23:18.420 been meeting us daily he's been taking us around he's been getting us connected with all the cool

01:23:23.860 people we've talked to here so thanks kevin you still have a few more days to go yeah we're close

01:23:29.060 we're getting close but it's been it's been a wild ride it's been fun well he's been an excellent

01:23:33.140 ambassador we've talked to some great people so it's been lots of fun down here still have the

01:23:37.700 weekend well great thank you melanie kevin and rob for giving us all those updates through the

01:23:42.740 week on that and yeah that reminder to everybody else you still got today and two more days to get

01:23:46.580 out there and hit the stampede so uh we will check in when you get back all right okay that was our

01:23:54.180 Melanie Riston out on the grounds at the Stampede. Okay, so we're going to test out the call-in

01:24:01.780 section of the show here. We've got Regina on the line, and we'll see how that works. I want to get 1.00

01:24:08.160 this more interactive, you know, more than just typing things and responding. Let's have some

01:24:11.680 conversations. So are you hearing me all right there, Regina? Nope. Well, this is why we test

01:24:18.400 things. So we've lost Regina. Okay. But yeah, we're trying different interactive things. As I

01:24:25.200 said, we put the Zoom link out there. We're kind of debugging a little bit towards the end of the

01:24:28.700 show today as we come up on the weekend. And let's see, Regina's in the waiting room again. I'll let 0.98

01:24:34.280 her in. We've got some connection issues. And she's trying Zoom. I mean, a lot of us have gotten

01:24:40.180 used to these types of platforms, things like that. Because I mean, we can only hit things with

01:24:45.200 their fingers uh you know so long to try and send the comments my way and it's not quite as back and

01:24:50.840 forth and interactive as we might be able to do I mean one of the things we're trying to fill the

01:24:54.320 void of is the old talk radio you know we're used to get the calls and talk and interact and see

01:24:58.480 some things so let's see if this is working now hello Regina do you hear me all right so obviously

01:25:04.160 we still got some stuff to work out on it but next week we'll try it again and we'll figure out some

01:25:08.160 uh, some stuff to try for more interactive type of, um, um, things. Well, just a minute.

01:25:15.580 It appears I might have Regina unmuted. Uh, I'm trying to hear her now.

01:25:24.520 Okay. We're going to have to test this more another time. So either way, uh, we're getting

01:25:29.020 there guys, we're expanding, we are evolving and, uh, you know, we're going to fill that talk radio

01:25:34.300 avoid and take it up. And part of that will be the interactive elements of it and things such

01:25:38.720 as that. So coming on Monday, we've got a very interesting show coming. There's a documentary

01:25:42.820 that's been put together by our own Linda Slobodian, and it's on the terrible mess that was

01:25:47.420 made with the Afghanistan evacuation and things such as that out of there. That's a whole new

01:25:52.940 level of things for us going into in those sorts of productions. So we're going to talk to Linda

01:25:58.540 about it, and it's going to be released on Monday. It's going to be well worth a watch.

01:26:01.600 And we'll bring in Western Standards' David Creighton.

01:26:03.540 He writes a lot of columns for us, and they've been well-received.

01:26:07.120 He's got a good following.

01:26:08.760 So, yes, you guys have a good weekend.

01:26:10.740 You should take in the Stampede or do something.

01:26:12.680 Enjoy it.

01:26:13.220 Have fun while you can.

01:26:15.220 Thank you all for tuning in today, guys,

01:26:17.100 and I'll see you on Monday at 11.30 a.m.

01:26:31.300 We'll see you next time.

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Western Standard - July 16, 2022

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