Western Standard - Triggered： We cant let Residential school discussion be supressed

00:00:00.000 We'll be right back.

00:00:30.000 good morning it's july 12th 2022 tuesday welcome to triggered yes we're well into stampede week

00:00:41.420 now everybody else with their western clothing is out and dressed such and wearing their jeans

00:00:46.860 and hats unfortunately that is one area where i'm a bad albertan been born and raised in alberta but

00:00:53.140 i just can't learn to like country music or wear western clothes just can't make myself do it so

00:00:58.080 I'm in the usual dress code with the jacket tie on for this. But everybody else is enjoying

00:01:02.620 themselves. The weather's supposed to, well, it's already turning nice and hot, so everybody can

00:01:06.460 bake out on the Midway and drink those overpriced pops and beers and have a good time. We're due for

00:01:11.560 it anyways, though. I mean, it's the first full stampede in years, thanks to the pandemic panic

00:01:16.180 over the last while. So we're going to have probably a couple of check-ins. We'll be doing

00:01:21.640 it tomorrow as well from the Midway live with some folks out there, though. It is good to get out

00:01:26.240 there and have a good time. It is a Calgary tradition, whether it's the parties in the bars

00:01:29.960 or down on the stampede grounds themselves. So let's see what else we got going on while everybody

00:01:37.900 else comes in there and checks in. I see Sean from 300 kilometers North Cowtown, apparently,

00:01:42.900 and Tammy McLean from Fort Vermilion. That's a heck of a lot farther north than that as well.

00:01:49.980 I remember working, well, kind of halfway between Red Earth Creek in there for some time. That's

00:01:53.260 some some pretty isolated turf and she's saying they had a residential school in their community

00:01:57.060 as well we'll talk more about those that's one of the subjects coming up today debbie and taylor

00:02:01.580 tabor so yeah keep those comments coming guys it's a live show that's what i appreciate i like

00:02:05.840 seeing people coming in letting me know i'm not talking into the middle of nowhere and again

00:02:11.320 interact with each other send comments my way send them to the guests talk with each other just keep

00:02:15.640 it a little bit civil though guys it's you know take it seriously without fighting with each other

00:02:20.660 But all right, for the two big observations for today, we've got Cow Appreciation Day.

00:02:28.960 This is the day to get out there and hug your cow, hug your neighbor's cow.

00:02:32.660 Get out of the city, find a cow, give it a hug.

00:02:34.720 This is the day to appreciate it.

00:02:36.280 Then you eat it.

00:02:37.340 That's how you really want to appreciate it in the long run.

00:02:39.720 But in the short run, make them happy.

00:02:41.680 Make them know they're appreciated.

00:02:42.940 Make them know their sacrifice is well worth it.

00:02:46.680 So we've got Samantha in Grand Prairie saying hi, and Jason in Pigeon Lake.

00:02:50.160 you guys got cattle all over the place patricia and chauvin yeah i did a lot of work out there

00:02:54.480 south of provost again you got cattle so appreciate those cows and i guess there's the dairy products

00:02:59.520 you can appreciate out of them as well this is the day they recognize those things and then man

00:03:04.320 meat's getting expensive anyway it's also etch a sketch day i don't know how they come up with

00:03:08.720 these things but hey everybody of a certain age group and i'm among those remembers those things

00:03:13.280 oh i used to fight with my brother and beat him over the head with it you know as we'd battle over

00:03:17.280 who gets the chance to scrawl piss board drawings on a weird two-dial thing. You know, the days

00:03:23.380 before electric and video sorts of games. It was a creative sort of thing. Those were a huge toy in

00:03:28.900 maybe the 60s. I don't know. They were in the 70s when I was a kid. This is the day we have our

00:03:34.480 observation of the importance of Etch-a-Sketch Day and the influence it had on our lives. 0.85

00:03:40.700 All right. I got a couple of guests. We're going to get on to some serious issues, of course,

00:03:43.980 and all that. Certainly my rant is going to be a bit today. Michelle Sterling is going to come on

00:03:49.140 though with the Friends of Science and they've really broken down and put out releases on

00:03:52.880 Calgary's insane. And I always use that word when I talk about Calgary's insane $87 billion climate

00:03:59.980 strategy. Yeah, that's with a B. It's not a typo. That's what one city has dedicated saying they're

00:04:06.220 going to spend to try and fight climate change. Brilliant. So Michelle always adds good insight

00:04:11.300 into all those things. And Jay Hill is going to come in the studio. We're going to talk about a

00:04:15.020 few federal issues and a number of things. But you know, Jay was the interim leader of the Maverick

00:04:18.880 Party for quite some time. Tamara Leach was on the board of the Maverick Party. They have, you know,

00:04:23.680 the usual lunatics have been shooting at Tamara and others just for her having been involved with 1.00

00:04:29.000 that party. The party's not extreme by any means, but it's good. I want to talk to somebody about 0.99

00:04:32.900 Tamara's character. I mean, I've talked to Tamara on the phone. I've emailed, but I can't pretend to

00:04:36.320 be somebody who knows her well. Jay does know her well, you know, and she's being demonized. She's

00:04:41.220 literally locked up. She's a political prisoner. So we get some first-hand discussion from people 0.99

00:04:45.080 who know her and realize just how odious this whole affair is. All right, speaking of odious 1.00

00:04:50.340 affairs, yeah, I'm going to talk about residential schools. And, you know, the case is never closed 1.00

00:04:55.560 and discussion is always allowed. It has to be. And that statement can be applied to pretty much

00:05:01.320 any issue, but I'm going to talk about today the residential school grave sites. There's the

00:05:07.180 revelation of the discovery of possibly over 200 unmarked graves at the site of a former

00:05:11.540 Kamloops residential school. And it rocked the nation. I mean, our flags were kept at half mass

00:05:17.180 for almost half a year. Apologies came fast and furious from the government and activists raged.

00:05:22.420 The other consequence of the discovery was a flood, a flood of misinformation and exaggeration

00:05:27.420 of what actually happened in residential schools. Unfounded anecdotes of abuses as horrific and

00:05:33.140 observed as the purposeful murder and cremation of babies were shared, and they're taken as fact.

00:05:37.880 They weren't questioned because you would be shouted down. It was assumed that every single

00:05:42.260 person who attended a residential school was there by force, and they were abused, and that's just

00:05:46.680 not true. To question any allegations would, and still leads though to allegations of racism and

00:05:52.980 attempted cancellation by the media and the internet mob. This most recently happened when

00:05:57.900 the Fort Times, a newspaper in Saskatchewan, ran a column by former judge Brian Geisbrecht,

00:06:02.440 where he pointed out that not a single body

00:06:04.960 has been confirmed yet at that site in Kamloops.

00:06:07.720 Similar radar findings have indicated potential graves

00:06:10.000 at a spot in Nova Scotia,

00:06:12.300 Charles Kamsil Hospital in Alberta,

00:06:14.180 Cooper Island, BC, and Brantford, Ontario.

00:06:16.680 Radar showed similar things underground,

00:06:19.060 but when excavations were conducted,

00:06:20.680 there were no bodies actually found.

00:06:23.000 It doesn't mean there aren't burials at the Kamloops site.

00:06:25.700 It does mean, though, we can't be sure

00:06:27.520 what's going on until they're exhumed.

00:06:29.960 We can't assume.

00:06:31.940 Now, Geisbrecht also said that 832 people died at residential schools, mainly from tuberculosis,

00:06:37.740 when they had already had it when they enrolled in the school.

00:06:42.000 Most would have died if they'd stayed at their homes as well.

00:06:44.860 And I mean, if you don't believe that, that's fine.

00:06:46.940 Let's study it, though. Let's discuss it.

00:06:48.460 Like, these deaths are being attributed wrongly, and we should be allowed to discuss this.

00:06:52.320 The next assumption being taken as fact is that there are bodies,

00:06:57.040 and those bodies are of children from the residential schools.

00:07:00.500 I mean, there was one site excavated in eastern Canada, but then they found it actually carried the remains of Irish settlers.

00:07:07.420 Unmarked and forgotten cemeteries aren't exclusive to any race or group.

00:07:11.540 The term mass graves, that's another one. It's constantly being used by activists.

00:07:15.380 There's been yet to be a single mass grave found.

00:07:18.680 Using the term mass graves implies large holes where a number of bodies were dumped, and that never happened in Canada.

00:07:24.160 While activists are trying to draw parallels, and that's what they're doing between the Holocaust of World War II

00:07:28.780 and with what happened to residential schools.

00:07:31.400 They do so by loosely using the term genocide

00:07:33.360 and labeling every single native

00:07:35.320 who ever attended a residential school as a survivor.

00:07:38.660 Six million Jews were purposely slaughtered

00:07:41.060 factory style in World War II.

00:07:43.660 Well over half a million Tutsis were exterminated in Rwanda

00:07:46.780 during their civil war.

00:07:48.960 In Canada, fewer than 150,000 students

00:07:51.800 even attended residential schools

00:07:54.400 over the period of 100 years.

00:07:56.220 And yeah, some died while they're in those schools,

00:07:58.220 but there was no purposeful effort to kill them. There was no genocide, and labeling every student

00:08:03.740 as a survivor is an exaggeration. Records were meticulously kept by organizations managing the

00:08:09.280 schools. They did so to ensure they got funding. It wasn't some altruistic thing they wanted to

00:08:13.160 get paid for those kids. They recorded every student entering and leaving those schools.

00:08:17.380 There was no mass of missing children. None vanished without record while attending the

00:08:21.880 schools. A myth has been perpetuated that thousands disappeared that simply isn't true,

00:08:26.720 and we need to be able to point that out. Are there graves of children at some former residential

00:08:31.860 school sites? It only stands to reason that there would be. Those schools were harsh places 100

00:08:37.220 years ago. They were underfunded, and the West was barely developed. Many children died in the early

00:08:42.640 to mid-20th century of the Spanish flu, polio, tuberculosis, and this was both Native and non-Native

00:08:47.760 kids alike. Students at residential schools were particularly vulnerable, as they had little

00:08:52.140 natural immunity to those diseases. They were not always fed balanced nutritional diets, and they

00:08:56.700 lived in crowded corridors that lent themselves to disease transmission. It was wrong to put kids

00:09:01.720 in that situation and pack them into those schools, but let's not allow these claims of genocide to

00:09:07.540 stand unquestioned and unfounded. Because they're unfounded. Don't let them stand that way. It wasn't

00:09:12.600 easy to transport the remains of a person a century ago. Bodies were often buried close to

00:09:16.980 the place of death as a means of practicality, and they were usually marked with nothing more

00:09:20.080 than a wooden cross. Over a century, those crosses decayed and disappeared. The cemeteries were

00:09:25.020 forgotten. It wasn't a purposeful effort to hide them, though. There were abuses, and there were

00:09:29.260 tragedies in those schools, and we should investigate and find out what they're about.

00:09:32.360 Any abuser is still alive today, and if their abuse can be proven, they should be charged.

00:09:36.860 We need to critically study what happened in those residential schools, but we won't be able to if

00:09:40.780 the debate is shouted down and unfounded allegations remain unquestioned. How can we

00:09:45.780 achieve closure and final reconciliation if we don't have all the facts? I fear that many activists

00:09:50.280 and lawyers don't want to see closure and reconciliation, though, because they profit

00:09:54.020 greatly off the cash settlements and ongoing anger. They perpetuate myths and keep the anger

00:09:58.880 in flame for their own benefit. Well, the discussion is never closed and we're going to

00:10:03.260 carry it on. That's what's got me going today. And yes, it's sad. Like I said, I'm not saying

00:10:09.680 there wasn't abuse. I'm not saying it was a good idea to have those schools, but we've got to get

00:10:14.560 down to the facts and what really was behind them and stop letting the exaggerations and the myths

00:10:19.000 dominate the story. And we got to stop shutting people down for trying to just ask questions on

00:10:23.620 the issue. All right, let's bring in our news editor, Dave Naylor, and see what else is happening

00:10:29.180 out in the great wide world today. Hey, Dave, how's it going? It's going well, Corey. As you

00:10:34.020 can see, I'm also wearing my standard Western gear. James, our operations guy, and I were at

00:10:42.080 a Stampede event last night, and in a crowd of 200 people, we were the only ones in suits.

00:10:48.220 So I've told Derek that you better get us some Western gear for next year, some nice Western

00:10:53.560 standard shirts and then we'll be properly dressed. There we go. I mean, if we're funded

00:11:00.040 to dress Western, perhaps we'll keep it in mind. But I mean, you know, come on,

00:11:04.380 it's usually a fashion atrocity. Exactly. It is. It is. And I'm going to take it easy on you this

00:11:10.600 morning, Corey. I know you're probably suffering the wounds of the social media beating that I

00:11:15.760 gave you yesterday over the correct decision to spend taxpayer money on World Cup games. So

00:11:22.440 I'll go straight to the news and a fair amount of it there is already. Interestingly, we've got

00:11:28.720 a video of a run on a bank in China where everybody's assets have been frozen because

00:11:36.060 of during COVID. Kind of sounds familiar, doesn't it? And the video shows the customer is just sort

00:11:41.400 of fed up and running up the stairs of the bank and trying to get in. And the warning is, hey,

00:11:47.480 Let's hope it doesn't come to that here.

00:11:50.840 We've got a very good column from Dave Makachuk, who's opining on Justin Trudeau's visit to the Stampede on Sunday, I believe it was.

00:12:01.820 And let's just say Dave's not too happy about the deal.

00:12:05.140 And a very strong column there.

00:12:07.460 We've got a story on the Liberals spending $660,000 to help promote French in the Yukon,

00:12:14.980 even though only 85 francophones live there.

00:12:18.280 So that works out to a nice tidy $7,700 each

00:12:21.800 to help them deal with the Yukon's francophones issues.

00:12:27.300 We've got a story on CBC officials admit

00:12:31.320 they helped craft the questions from members of the public,

00:12:36.860 supposedly, that were featured during an election special

00:12:40.620 with Erin O'Toole.

00:12:41.420 This comes after one of the people that was picked to ask a question said the CBC had altered it.

00:12:48.600 So CBC is defending themselves for changing the participants' questions, and they're not too happy about it.

00:12:57.360 We've got some very good stuff to come, Corey.

00:13:00.120 Right now, Amanda Brown is working on the latest relevations from Hunter Biden's cell phone. 0.75

00:13:05.820 Let's just say it involved drugs and hookers and lots of both.

00:13:11.420 Jonathan Bradley, who's now arrived in Calgary to begin working for a summer,

00:13:16.760 has got a story on the Webb Telescope and their amazing new images,

00:13:20.740 their first images from deep dark space.

00:13:24.560 And Melanie Rizdin's got a story on how Canada's becoming a hub in insect farming

00:13:29.340 and a fly breeding facility north of Calgary to help produce waste and dog food.

00:13:37.480 So my only question, Corey, is if you're farming flies, how does that work at branding time?

00:13:43.940 Yeah, you need some very good eyesight to work on that anyways.

00:13:47.680 But, I mean, I can see some prospective new markets.

00:13:49.740 I've worked in the north a bit, and I tell you that there's an abundance of bugs up there if we wanted to make use of them.

00:13:55.400 Yeah, there's usually an abundance of bugs in my backyard, too.

00:13:58.520 It's just a matter of trying to catch them.

00:14:00.440 Well, maybe the chickadees will eat them.

00:14:02.340 Hey, good point there.

00:14:03.100 They might be useful for something.

00:14:05.360 All right.

00:14:06.040 Well, thanks for the check-in.

00:14:07.140 I see our copy editor is now working on correcting our pronunciation on issues as well.

00:14:11.740 I'll let you discuss that with him later, and we'll talk after the show.

00:14:17.160 What's the mispronunciation?

00:14:19.060 He was asking about relevations.

00:14:21.780 Oh, okay.

00:14:22.940 Yeah.

00:14:24.200 My fault.

00:14:25.060 Sorry, Mike.

00:14:26.120 We've got a lot of credit.

00:14:28.160 All right.

00:14:28.780 Thanks, Dave.

00:14:29.620 I will talk to you later.

00:14:31.860 Bye-bye.

00:14:32.960 So that is our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:14:34.840 and yes, back behind the scenes, we have a copy editor who makes sure, and we drive him mad with

00:14:41.800 our copy errors and such going out there. Not so much out of Dave, but I know I do some chronic

00:14:46.380 ones to keep Mike upset, but hey, come on, you know, if it wasn't for people practicing poor

00:14:52.980 English like myself, that job wouldn't exist, but I guess we can, you know, pronounce things a little

00:14:58.180 better too. So again, as you can see, we've got reporters all over, we've got stories coming from

00:15:02.140 all over. We're breaking things. We're digging into things. And we're doing that thanks to you

00:15:06.020 guys. It's not that cheesy sort of, we thank you all sort of thing. I honestly mean it. Hey,

00:15:09.720 that's the reason I can sit in the seat is because of subscribers. We're independently funded. We

00:15:13.760 don't take a nickel of tax dollars. And that's thanks to thousands of subscribers who are kicking

00:15:18.260 in $10 a month for our services. And we really appreciate it. And if you haven't already,

00:15:23.540 come on guys, get on there. It's $99 for a year. You can try it out for free for a month to see

00:15:28.200 if it's for you and you'll see it's worth it for, you know, less than $10 a month. You get full

00:15:33.040 access to all of those stories as they break, columns, opinion pieces, lots of interesting

00:15:38.540 things. We've got a documentary series that's going to come out pretty soon that was done by

00:15:42.980 one of our people. I'll give more details on that as we iron it out, but it's a new venture for us

00:15:47.280 as well. And it's going to be well worth watching. Before we get on to my next guest, I'm looking

00:15:53.360 forward to that. Just, you know, one more news item. I just want to rant a little about the

00:15:56.820 insanity of the internet. I saw this on TMZ of all things. And TMZ is usually just a gossip site,

00:16:02.820 you know, and they talk on celebrity things and so on. It's a nice distraction. I like watching

00:16:06.180 that wild, weird world of celebrities. But this site was actually disgusted in talking about how

00:16:12.500 lowbrow and revolting and insane the woke have gotten Twitter because a discussion was going on 0.89

00:16:18.920 whether or not Anne Frank suffered from white privilege. This is how insane they are getting. 0.95

00:16:25.300 A young girl who, just blooming into life, had to hide with her family, and eventually her and her family were exterminated. 1.00

00:16:35.160 And these witless, woke assholes will actually discuss whether or not she enjoyed white privilege. 1.00

00:16:43.480 You guys are mad. I'm sick and tired of you. 1.00

00:16:47.500 You're finally crossing some lines. You're going way too far. You're insane.

00:16:52.740 We've got to stop taking these vile people seriously any longer. 0.98

00:16:58.080 And when you're even getting called out by entertainment sites,

00:17:00.880 basically the National Enquirer of the internet and TV is disgusted with you.

00:17:07.360 Maybe you should stop and look in the mirror and think of how far you guys have gone.

00:17:11.620 Either way, I just had to get that.

00:17:13.100 I was like, wow, really?

00:17:15.880 Okay, enough of that.

00:17:17.440 Let's get on to something that's not hair-raising,

00:17:19.080 and that's just talking about the city blowing billions and billions of dollars fighting climate

00:17:23.340 change that probably isn't happening. And even if it was, the billions wouldn't make a difference

00:17:27.160 with it. And we're going to talk to Michelle Sterling of Friends of Science because they've

00:17:30.820 been speaking up on this, well, for years. And of course, this is right up your alley. So thank

00:17:36.220 you for joining us today, Michelle. Always good to have you on. Thanks, Corey. Nice to be here.

00:17:41.100 Yeah. Lots to discuss on the city. Oh, there sure is. It's as I've, you know, on Twitter,

00:17:47.680 again, the Twitter is a mess, as I just recently said, and so on. But I still like it as a

00:17:52.240 playground. And I did mean it when I said a little while back, holy cow, I actually missed

00:17:55.960 Nahed Menchie. And that's saying a lot. Yeah, it is. I mean, he was also a climate fanatic.

00:18:03.660 Oh, people have to remember that Calgary already had a climate plan. And there was also

00:18:09.580 sustainability 2020, which promised in 2010, that by 2020, we would have a prosperous economy

00:18:17.700 and full equity for everyone and things would be golden. But in fact, that's not really how it

00:18:24.500 turned out. So since that was such a big failure, why would we embark on yet another similar kind

00:18:31.220 of project that's even more expensive, and something that these citizens were not consulted

00:18:36.900 about? You know, obviously, the current pathways to net zero, I call it pathways to poverty.

00:18:46.340 Obviously this is a plan that was developed before the election. I mean you can just see how

00:18:53.460 how it's all shaped up. It was never an election issue, it was never on the platform,

00:18:58.580 but immediately after the election the climate emergency was declared. On what basis? There's

00:19:04.900 no scientific evidence showing there's a climate emergency. The latest IPCC report only mentions

00:19:11.380 crisis once and that is in regard to media coverage there's no statement that there's a

00:19:17.300 climate emergency so you know you have to wonder what kind of conniving work was going on in the

00:19:24.260 background before this emergency was declared and then this plan basically rammed through council

00:19:31.220 without public input well i mean we know seriously if jody gondek and campaign walking around on the

00:19:40.420 platform saying i'm going to declare a climate emergency and commit 87 billion dollars in

00:19:44.980 spending she wouldn't have come in 10th in that race uh you know she kept it to herself purely

00:19:50.660 out of political motive it's not something she just came up with the day after becoming elected

00:19:54.580 there's no doubt about that and i i mean actually i just said that there was not public uh input but

00:20:01.940 i take that back because the calgary climate club hub sorry which is a project associated with the

00:20:08.900 vipon family and the vipons are often called the the thunbergs of canada um if you like um the this

00:20:18.420 is a very activist group very strong grassroots group they work with the alliance for the common

00:20:26.260 good calgary alliance for the common good i think it's called anyway there are a lot of well-meaning

00:20:31.460 very activist people who obviously have bent the ear of council and uh you know calgarians

00:20:37.460 being an energy city calgarians should remember that the calgary climate hub has received

00:20:43.060 charitable tax receipts via al gore's climate reality and al gore has been a long-term cheerleader

00:20:52.180 for the destruction of keystone and uh of tmx and kinder morgan's work trying to get a pipeline to

00:21:01.860 the coast so uh you know we have this very activist group that's actually been funded

00:21:08.020 by somebody who is completely against the city of calgary's fundamental industry and people

00:21:14.740 should be asking a lot of questions about that not to mention some of these activist groups

00:21:19.700 have also been funded by unions like cupi and we should be asking why are public unions that

00:21:26.020 are paid by taxpayers funding these environmental groups or climate activist groups that are

00:21:32.820 blocking jobs running up crazy green crony capitalist projects like those in the climate plan

00:21:40.660 and maybe even double or triple dipping because perhaps those union pension funds are invested

00:21:48.100 in the very projects that the city is now proposing so you see i see it this way let's

00:21:53.940 Let's say you're elected to some city somewhere in the world.

00:21:57.040 And just after you're elected, someone comes to you and says,

00:21:59.780 hey, you know about the golden pension plan we have?

00:22:02.460 Well, we have huge unfunded liabilities and you won't get a pension unless you do this.

00:22:07.960 Just think about that for a minute.

00:22:09.640 And there is some evidence in an article that I saw recently from the states

00:22:14.000 that that's exactly what's going on.

00:22:16.360 So I think that there should be a full inquiry into this.

00:22:20.540 Absolutely.

00:22:21.340 I mean, we'll get back to that. 0.98

00:22:22.580 You know, when you've got $87 billion being spent, you know, the parasites and opportunists 0.85

00:22:28.420 are going to come out of the woodworks and the deals are going to start getting cut.

00:22:31.100 I mean, it's just a massive amount in a small market.

00:22:34.860 But, you know, some of it we could kind of say it's not like we didn't have warning.

00:22:38.440 There were canaries in the coal mine for a long time on this.

00:22:41.580 And I dug into that a lot in years gone by.

00:22:44.140 And I'm sure you're familiar with the old Imagine Calgary document.

00:22:47.260 And she was one of the people who wrote that.

00:22:50.060 And that fairy tale of a document was tax funded. And the stuff that you read in it, it was like a parody. It was crazy with these goals and things it was setting. And most of it was laughed off at that time. But Sustainability Calgary, which is a branch of City Hall, was modeled after that ludicrous document. And it's still out there. I got it on my own site at CoreyMorgan.com where I broke it down because, I mean, it is nutty.

00:23:15.240 but you've got people in power, you've got a mayor, you've got a whole office of the city

00:23:19.840 dedicated to following the tenets of that weird manifesto, and that was from 10 years ago.

00:23:27.020 That's right.

00:23:27.840 We let it slide.

00:23:29.260 Yeah, and we also did a rebuttal report to Imagine Calgary, and that we sent to the city auditor

00:23:34.900 and to the provincial auditor and to Nahid Nanshi at the time, and, you know, of course,

00:23:40.280 we never heard back from anyone, but we think that there were some very serious breaches of

00:23:46.980 public trust in how these things are developed. And of course, at a municipal level, the climate

00:23:52.060 activists have much easier access to government and much, much, much more influence. One of the

00:24:00.220 things to note is that Dr. Vipond's daughter, Sadie Vipond, is now a climate activist. She met

00:24:07.200 with Greta Thunberg when Greta and her dad Svant were here in Calgary. And I think she even gave

00:24:14.140 her her jacket or something like that. And so Sadie is suing the Canadian government along with

00:24:20.340 a group of other kids with eco-justice. So there's more taxpayers' dollars that are being totally

00:24:26.360 wasted on ridiculous efforts to stop climate change when, you know, climate has been changing

00:24:34.720 for 4.5 billion years and the best thing we could do is to adapt to the real threats like flooding

00:24:42.640 in the river valley like extreme weather we should have sufficient winter road clearing equipment you

00:24:51.760 know so that people aren't waiting for a chinook so they can get out of their driveway i mean these 0.92

00:24:56.480 are the practical things that a city is supposed to take care of they're not supposed to be trying 0.93

00:25:02.240 to reduce the emissions of calgary which are nothing compared to china's which china admits

00:25:08.560 28 of the world's emissions canada all of canada 1.6 percent of the world's emissions so nothing

00:25:17.440 we do in calgary or in canada will stop global warming if that's your concern nothing we do

00:25:24.640 will stop it. It's just empty virtue signaling. Plus they give this baloney out all the time

00:25:33.180 saying, if we don't do it, it's going to cost us more. They never exactly say how,

00:25:37.500 but then if they attribute anything and everything to climate change, they might be able to try and

00:25:42.460 make that case. Oh, well, there'll be more flooding and it'll cost this, or there'll be

00:25:45.720 more forest fires and it'll cost this. But boy, even with all of the natural events that have

00:25:49.960 happened over the last few years, nothing is going to add up to $87 billion and nothing we

00:25:54.480 do is going to change those events from happening right and a lot of people don't know that calgary

00:26:00.500 had uh eight of the worst floods prior to 1933 and two of those floods had higher stream flows

00:26:07.920 than the one of 2013 that's long before human influence on climate change was even attributed

00:26:14.760 and they also make reference to the um fort mcmurray wildfire in their document well you know

00:26:23.060 that was under an extreme weather condition, and it was poorly managed by the NDP at the time. In

00:26:30.740 fact, Rachel Notley remember her standing up in the house and mocking Brian Jean as he was begging

00:26:36.880 her to send water bombers? Well, his house burned down a few hours later. She was mocking him for

00:26:43.140 fear-mongering. So, you know, I mean, just like winter snowstorms where you need road clearance

00:26:49.120 equipment we live near the burial forest well calgary not so much but edmonton and north

00:26:55.520 and you're going to have wildfires it's a seasonal occurrence so be prepared you know and that's what

00:27:00.720 we should be spending the money on is being prepared for these real events that will happen

00:27:06.240 every year sometimes greater sometimes lesser but we should be prepared and not be spending money on

00:27:12.960 trying to make people ride a bike to to work if they want to go ahead but not everyone's going

00:27:19.680 to want to and if you're let's say if you're 75 you're not going to want to ride a bike to the

00:27:24.480 grocery store because if you fall off then you'll be in hospital with a broken hip you know some of

00:27:30.080 these plans are just totally ludicrous yeah well well the event that happened this year was uh

00:27:36.000 canada day skiing at sunshine village in the mountains it was cool enough that we could ski

00:27:40.000 in July. Yeah, so much for the heat dome. And then at the same time, Mayor Gondek just does

00:27:46.940 seem to love emergencies. You know, all of those threats for the flood that never was. I mean, we

00:27:51.980 poured dirt all over the streets and we put the city on edge and we declared another state of

00:27:56.200 emergency for something that never even came close. I mean, I understand being prepared,

00:28:00.160 watching, fair enough. You know, they'll catch it if the river did burst the banks and nothing had

00:28:05.900 been done. But from all reports out of that too, the reservoirs were still nearly empty. The water

00:28:10.500 flow was controlled. They thrive on keeping the population afraid. Yes. Well, you know, I think

00:28:17.060 it probably was prudent to drop the reservoir somewhat because the reports coming in, the

00:28:21.540 forecast was fairly significant rainfall. And you never know if you'll get that or not. I mean,

00:28:27.100 I think in the 2013 flood, initially the reports were that it wouldn't be that much rain and it

00:28:33.820 kind of quickly went from 50 millimeters to 100 to 150 millimeters and then people were going oh my

00:28:39.640 god um so you never really know but you know one thing to think about uh when you empty a reservoir

00:28:46.160 like that that's a huge body of water you better hope you're going to get enough rain and run off

00:28:51.280 after that to refill it because you've got a city of 1.6 million people and that's their source of

00:28:56.380 water. So, you know, dropping the reservoir is a plan that you can use to help mitigate a flood,

00:29:04.400 but it also may have significant consequences, unintended consequences down the road.

00:29:11.780 And I guess we'll have to see this summer. I don't know if it's filled up again or not.

00:29:15.500 I think there's still snowpack up in the hills. But again, you know, we're spending money in the

00:29:20.820 wrong places. We're spending it on green crony capitalists. We're going along with activists.

00:29:25.880 we're not doing a full cost-benefit analysis. We have a blog post where we have our City of

00:29:32.360 Calgary emergency rebuttal report. We have our two 2017 reports which also address the climate

00:29:40.440 plans of that time and I'm also going to put up our rebuttal to Catherine Hayhoe. Now Dr. Hayhoe

00:29:50.120 is a fairly uh well-known science climate science communicator i think she was judged to be in the

00:29:57.640 top 100 science communicators by time magazine but she's hooked on what's called rcp 8.5 which is a

00:30:05.800 catastrophic scenario that's deemed to be implausible by the climate science community

00:30:11.960 but that's the one she concentrates on as business as usual and she's been a consultant to the city

00:30:17.400 of calgary so we know where this wrong information is coming from and so people should read our

00:30:22.920 report it's called facts versus fortune telling and i'll be posting it right after the show on

00:30:29.160 the same blog post about our climate emergency rebuttals you know i'll ask at the end as well i

00:30:35.080 mean just to remind everybody but yeah the friends of science website and blog posts are a fantastic

00:30:39.640 resource always lots of uh information and sources and uh and science behind it of course uh going

00:30:46.760 Further, I mean, into the costs, I've heard apologists for this plan saying, look, it's not

00:30:52.040 all straight tax dollars. We're not just going to raise it 87 billion. The private market's going to

00:30:56.940 fill it and other levels of government are going to fill it. That still always ends up coming out

00:31:01.840 of our wallet though. Yeah. Other levels of government, where do you think they get their

00:31:05.960 money from? They get it from taxpayers. That's you, you know, and I mean, people should be aware

00:31:10.860 that the city of ottawa is also doing a big climate plan 60 billion dollars so you calgarians

00:31:19.260 will be able to help ottawa pay for their 60 billion dollar climate plan while ottawa will

00:31:25.500 be able to help us pay for our 87 billion dollar climate plan now to see how that's not going to

00:31:32.540 work out like when are we going to run out of money well and some of these costs as well are

00:31:38.220 costs i guess that they're estimating because they're going to be imposing retrofitting on

00:31:42.540 existing buildings possibly even personal homes uh definitely in the commercial sector even though

00:31:47.820 we can we got over 30 vacancy as it is putting more expense on calgary's offices i don't think

00:31:52.860 is going to help uh but but these costs again they're buried in a whole number of ways they

00:31:57.740 plan to expend it and uh they you know they try to obfuscate by claiming it's going to be coming

00:32:03.580 out of here and coming out of there but again it always comes out of us in the end

00:32:06.380 Yes. And actually, one citizen sent us in a letter that they had sent to actually the David Suzuki

00:32:16.060 Foundation, which was campaigning for the city and its residents to sign on to this deal. And

00:32:22.300 this person noted that of the tab, that the Calgary 2022 net expenditures are 4.5 billion.

00:32:31.580 So if we break down the $87 billion tab by year, that would be $3.1 billion a year, which is 69% of the current municipal expenditures.

00:32:43.680 So, you know, what's going to happen to all the ordinary necessary things like road maintenance, you know, taking trees down when we've had a big windfall, running our fire department, police department.

00:32:59.040 These, you know, these are vital services.

00:33:01.500 This is what the city should be taking care of.

00:33:04.480 As I said, you know, China emits in one month what Canada, all of Canada emits in a year and a half. 0.94

00:33:14.620 So spending all this money will do absolutely zero to stop climate change, but it will make a lot of green cronies rich. 0.93

00:33:23.940 And we should be asking who those people are and how they are skimming the public purse, because that's what it really amounts to. 0.60

00:33:32.480 Well, yeah, if we want to get to the bottom of it, when they bring in a law saying all of these

00:33:36.400 businesses or buildings have to be retrofitted, I'd like to see who the contractors are who are

00:33:40.220 going to be establishing that, or even what has to be done, or the inspections. There's a whole

00:33:44.420 lot of people are going to benefit a heck of a lot from this sudden milking of individuals,

00:33:49.620 of their funds. And let's not pretend we're not going to see some sole source contracts going out

00:33:54.680 there. Right. And I mean, all we have to do is look at Germany right now, which has spent

00:34:00.860 trillions of dollars trying to go green and go net zero and go all wind and solar their entire

00:34:07.260 industry is on its knees like germany is on the brink of collapse because they haven't had

00:34:14.700 thoughtful energy and climate policies they've had ridiculous energy and climate policies very

00:34:21.340 similar to those discussed in this 87 billion dollar climate plan we have to ask like who are

00:34:29.180 the people who are doing the consulting um you know i'm reading a book by uh jeremy rifkan

00:34:35.740 called the zero near zero something society and he brags about consulting to merkel well he's

00:34:42.940 not an engineer he's a futurist so it's all nice to sit around and dream of how the world might be

00:34:48.700 just like the imagine calgary crew did what's it going to look like 100 years from now well

00:34:53.340 my grandmother spent her honeymoon at the Calgary Stampede, the first one in 1912.

00:34:59.820 And she could not have ever imagined how Calgary would be 100 years later. That's how ridiculous 0.88

00:35:06.300 these kinds of exercises are. And we should not be bankrupting our city and, you know, allowing 0.94

00:35:13.740 people who hate the energy industry to drive the agenda that runs our city. That's absurd.

00:35:20.620 it's self-destructive why are we doing it well absolutely and there's a lot of goals set out in

00:35:25.580 that document that they don't specify how they're going to get to them but things such as that oh

00:35:29.500 60 of the city or more is going to be either riding a bike or taking the bus to work they're

00:35:34.300 not going to use cars anymore and i mean it's clearly ridiculous they can't even get people

00:35:38.380 to ride the train today because they're too scared to take on the addicts who've taken over the uh

00:35:42.460 transit system but when push comes to shove and they get desperate i can see some crazy measures

00:35:47.180 like closing roads, taxing cars, all sorts of means to try and force people to take the crack

00:35:55.100 trains to come downtown to the empty offices. But it's just not going to happen. It's just going to

00:35:59.340 be cost with no benefit. Well, as you say, it's going to be an eco-dictatorship. And if you look

00:36:05.780 at Deutsche Bank, that's their answer to build back better, is to impose an eco-dictatorship

00:36:12.780 on society and one of the examples that deutsche bank gives is the idea of retrofitting a house

00:36:19.100 that some people may not want to retrofit their house because it might make your house look pretty

00:36:23.020 ugly or some people may not have the money or they may simply not want to comply well their answer

00:36:29.020 to that in is to simply impose an eco dictatorship so you know there's another thing that people

00:36:35.900 should look at on our youtube page and that's um a presentation that donna laframboise did for us

00:36:42.300 She's an investigative journalist, and she's been working on The Climate File for many years.

00:36:48.400 And it's about how climate activism is taking away your freedom of choice, freedom of speech, and freedom of thought.

00:36:56.600 And that's exactly what we see happening.

00:36:59.680 Yeah, no, the trend isn't stopping.

00:37:02.080 It's getting worse.

00:37:02.920 So I appreciate the work you guys have been doing to try and shine a light on it, and you're still working at it.

00:37:07.960 So, I mean, just that one last time, you know, where can people find, as you said, you've got a YouTube page.

00:37:12.120 You've got a blog.

00:37:12.840 There's a lot of resources.

00:37:14.060 If we can point people that way to find out more details on what's happening.

00:37:17.500 Thank you.

00:37:18.000 Yes, we're on our website is friendsofscience.org.

00:37:22.360 We have a Facebook page.

00:37:24.220 We are on LinkedIn.

00:37:25.500 We're on Twitter.

00:37:28.760 We're all over YouTube.

00:37:31.020 And we have quite a lot of very popular YouTube videos.

00:37:34.340 We actually do have a YouTube rebuttal to the City of Calgary plan,

00:37:38.500 which is one of the top ones that you'll see in the first line of our youtube videos but we've

00:37:44.020 got lots of different scientific presentations for people who want that more hard science and

00:37:49.260 we've got more public commentaries and plain language explanations so you can also become a

00:37:56.000 member you can also donate to us we're into our 20th year of operation even 20 dollars would be

00:38:01.780 helpful so um thank you for giving us a bit of a platform and and let's stop this crazy climate

00:38:08.980 nonsense we gotta stop it i appreciate the the work you're doing and then appreciate you coming

00:38:14.140 on to talk to us it's always a good conversation so thanks michelle i'm sure we'll be talking again

00:38:18.380 soon thank you okay thanks so that's it michelle sterling of the friends of science you saw those

00:38:24.700 resources of course wait till after my show before going to their youtube channel but after that by

00:38:28.800 all means, get in there. There is some great stuff on there. And they really dig in, as Michelle

00:38:33.100 was saying, a bit more of the dry. I mean, well, there's a lot of good, you know, engaging stuff

00:38:37.440 as well. And if you want to dig further into the stats and the numbers, they've got all of that

00:38:41.420 there. It's fantastic. They're a great resource. And they're shouting out what we need to hear.

00:38:46.740 We just need to make sure to get the word out. I mean, it's never a done deal. You got to keep

00:38:50.620 fighting back, even if it feels futile at times. Excuse me, I promise that's not COVID. All right.

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00:39:58.100 So either way, yeah, I was eating some peanuts

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00:40:16.440 As Lisa's saying, yes, Corey needs water.

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00:40:20.740 I think we've been rescued. I can get on with the show without coughing in your ears any further.

00:40:25.540 And, uh, man, bad peanut. Maybe, maybe it's all that air pollution because we didn't follow

00:40:35.140 Imagine Calgary. Okay. I'll get on to some ranting and, uh, moving further with that.

00:40:42.280 Uh, some of the stuff that, uh, again, Michelle was talking about, I mean,

00:40:45.940 this city and how nuts it's been with the climate stuff. If you look back on Mayor Gondek's history

00:40:53.300 and we see this with socialists, we see it everywhere. You see it with the left. One of

00:40:57.640 the things that always has to be done is to damn people in. You've got to force them in. You've, 0.98

00:41:03.180 you know, man, you never hear of any socialist country without an iron curtain. It's the only

00:41:13.280 ideology that has to force its citizens to stay. One of the great memes out there is one that says,

00:41:17.540 you know, socialism, idea is so great, they have to be mandatory and usually show a government

00:41:21.300 hand holding a gun. There's some truth to that. One of Gondek's biggest things when she was a

00:41:25.800 city councillor was getting upset that people were moving out of the city and living in bedroom

00:41:31.920 communities, or businesses were moving out of the city and setting up shop outside of the reach of

00:41:36.800 the city of Calgary. And she would always demand, they have to stop this, we have to intervene,

00:41:42.840 somehow we have to block people from leaving this city because that's what's killing her plans right 0.67

00:41:49.440 now. That's why we've got 33, 34% vacancy in Calgary's office buildings right now. That's why 1.00

00:41:57.380 my property out in Prittis, every time Gondek opens her mouth, my property values go up a little

00:42:02.200 bit because people are escaping. They're leaving. And that leads to a failure every time. Again,

00:42:08.680 when they have taken their woke politics, their cowardly politics, and messed with city transit

00:42:14.900 so badly that it's overrun with addicts and people don't want to ride on it, they've gone to another

00:42:20.620 option. They've gone to a car. It drives Gondek and the others nuts. But they can't reason. It's

00:42:26.900 like Michelle was saying. It would become a dictatorship. They won't accept that people

00:42:30.900 aren't going to give up their cars to ride this rotten transit system. They're figuring,

00:42:34.720 how can we block the cars? How can we make them more miserable? It's like the bike tracks and 0.74

00:42:40.320 bike lanes you see all over the place. And again, as soon as there's 10 raindrops, 90% of the

00:42:45.240 cyclists aren't out there riding. Oh, there's a bunch of hardcore spandex fetishists who will

00:42:49.460 come out in all weather and they love to celebrate that. Look at me, I'm a winter cyclist. Good for

00:42:53.000 you. 99% of the city isn't, but you're taking up now probably about 10% of the downtown lanes with

00:42:59.300 these cycle tracks that nobody's riding on. The city knows that. They know that there's 101 cars

00:43:06.160 to bicycles on the streets downtown. What it is, is a campaign of harassment. They think if they

00:43:11.980 can make it so inconvenient, such a pain in the butt, so annoying to use your car, that you'll

00:43:18.440 just finally throw up your hands and say, oh, fine, I'll ride a bicycle to work. Well, I tell

00:43:24.060 you what, it's not going to happen from Pritis. It's not going to happen for a lot of seniors.

00:43:27.720 I mean, think about it.

00:43:30.520 You know, does every office have a shower for you to get into in summer when it's hot when you ride the bike?

00:43:35.300 Or you really want to dedicate that extra hour, two hours, three hours a day to your transportation?

00:43:41.660 Or do you really want to squash onto the bus all the time?

00:43:44.560 This anti-car thing.

00:43:46.160 I mean, they claim to care about the little guy, but they don't.

00:43:49.420 They claim to talk about how lower income people struggle or people as single parents have difficulty raising kids.

00:43:55.180 Well, take four kids and go to a grocery store and buy your food for the week without a vehicle.

00:44:02.500 Try it.

00:44:04.000 See how that works out.

00:44:05.680 Get on the bus.

00:44:06.620 Do it.

00:44:07.000 Ride a bicycle.

00:44:07.600 Have the whole family.

00:44:08.360 Ride bikes maybe.

00:44:09.020 Come on, you guys.

00:44:09.920 Get real.

00:44:11.260 These are essential tools.

00:44:12.840 When a person doesn't have a personal vehicle as well, you know what they also have?

00:44:16.380 Fewer work options.

00:44:17.940 Because, again, transit isn't necessarily reliable or serving every area well enough for a person to get to.

00:44:23.920 When a person, say again, has the ability to take the kids to school and then drive to their workplace and put in a good day's work, that car empowers them.

00:44:31.340 Again, these hypocritical leftists claim to care for the little guy, claim to care for the working man.

00:44:35.980 But when it comes to things such as a personal vehicle, which does empower the working man, they don't want to support that. 0.94

00:44:42.460 They have a double standard. Their ideology blinds them to reality.

00:44:46.920 But I mean, again, look at the people who are talking about it.

00:44:49.460 These are city councillors making six-figure incomes, saying the Calgary Transit's perfectly fine, yet they've never actually ridden on it. 0.96

00:44:56.140 They're not going to go on there and smell the piss and sit with an addict. 0.99

00:44:59.460 They're going to listen to their advisors who give them fluffy, woke crap and blow sunshine up their butts. 1.00

00:45:05.220 There's no reality in City Hall. 0.99

00:45:07.660 Same with the senior city administrators.

00:45:09.680 That was something I brought in Colin Cray from 2nd Street, Oregon, we talked about.

00:45:12.720 It showed that hypocrisy of them, what they offer for all these city councillors and senior city staff, free parking.

00:45:18.460 They get parking passes to park all over the city.

00:45:21.700 Well, shouldn't they just get bus passes?

00:45:23.680 I thought we're all supposed to ride, or couldn't they ride their bikes?

00:45:25.940 I mean, maybe give them a little coupon so they can buy a cheaper bicycle.

00:45:29.780 Wouldn't that be more effective than giving them free parking? 0.99

00:45:32.220 I thought we're supposed to get out of our cars, but they're hypocrites. 0.75

00:45:35.840 The commoners are the ones who are supposed to sacrifice to save the environment, 0.58

00:45:39.340 not those fine leaders in City Hall.

00:45:42.240 They can't go without those conveniences.

00:45:44.080 They're far too important for that.

00:45:46.380 How dare you ask for those things?

00:45:48.460 Either way, as I said, I mean, in a self-interested sort of way, I live in a bedroom community just outside the city of Calgary, and our property values are doing better and better all the time.

00:45:58.400 You know what? My property taxes are far lower than the city, and the way I know that it snowed in the night in the wintertime, I wake up because I hear the plow outside at five in the morning.

00:46:08.060 There's people in districts in Calgary who have never heard of snow plow their whole life because they don't go onto the back streets.

00:46:12.720 We're too busy spending all our money on climate initiatives, and we can't get the snow off our streets.

00:46:17.060 so yeah jody keep up the good work and let's see if we can get up to 50 vacancy downtown

00:46:24.180 set a record you know pick up where nichi started and see if we can create north america's biggest

00:46:30.500 most modern developed ghost town i mean that could become a tourist attraction of its own

00:46:35.000 it's no wonder the last of us came to film in calgary i mean there's parts of downtown because

00:46:40.500 it's a production that was showing a dystopian post-apocalyptic world they didn't have to do a

00:46:46.640 heck of a lot of work. Close a few city blocks. You've already got all the garbage and broken down

00:46:50.220 vehicles and boarded up businesses. Hell, half their work was done for them. No wonder they

00:46:55.080 chose Calgary. But it would be better to have an ongoing industry to carry these things on rather

00:47:00.100 than just allowing downtown deterioration to continue. But again, I saw our state broadcaster

00:47:07.040 with a story today talking about Calgary's transit and saying, you know, more people would

00:47:12.760 right if we just redesigned the stations. Look, we got three stations closed down because the

00:47:17.740 city was too scared to evict the junkies from them. They're closed. They've been closed since

00:47:21.600 February. You can't get into Heritage or Anderson or Southland right now. They've been closed up,

00:47:29.000 locked doors. You have to walk outside, not across the tracks because they'd turned into

00:47:33.020 homeless encampments. They won't enforce the law to do it. And they think we can redesign

00:47:36.900 the stations and that's what's going to make people come back. No, you're just going to make

00:47:40.480 a nicer station for the junkies to live in. You've got to enforce the bloody law and get these people 0.53

00:47:45.160 out of there. But these guys are not in tune with reality. They don't get it. They won't get it.

00:47:50.380 All right, enough bitching out of me. I brought somebody new in to bitch about some other stuff. 1.00

00:47:54.060 And we've got Jay Hill here in person. And it's always great to have you come in, Jay,

00:47:59.580 and talk about a number of issues. So good to see you. It's been a few days. I love to be back.

00:48:06.000 Yeah. So I got a head of steam up, you know, these environmental things get me.

00:48:10.400 Well, I think that's what's why your program is popular for some people.

00:48:15.360 Well, even for those that like to disagree with you, I think that

00:48:19.040 it gives them someone to disagree with.

00:48:20.640 Well, there we go. And again, as I've said before too, it's good for Jane, you know, my wife,

00:48:24.560 so she doesn't have to listen to me going on and on. Get it out of my system while I'm here.

00:48:29.280 And then I can annoy her with other, you know, important things.

00:48:32.000 Yeah. Yeah. I'm still annoying when I get there, but it'll be different stuff.

00:48:34.480 With what you're making for dinner.

00:48:36.000 That's right. What kind of bad meal am I going to treat her with tonight?

00:48:40.480 Oh, well. So, yeah, I'm glad to have you in. I want to talk about a few things. We always

00:48:45.100 find it easy to talk about a number of things, but the whole Tamera Leash thing.

00:48:49.560 Which is a nice segue from what you were just ranting about,

00:48:52.760 about enforcing the law where it should be enforced.

00:48:57.360 Yeah. I mean, there's where some of the discussion could even start. People talk about,

00:49:00.960 well, she violated a bail condition, thus she's locked up. Maybe, maybe I'll leave that open to

00:49:07.300 interpretation. Maybe she did not fully properly, you know, when she paused, she shouldn't have

00:49:12.160 spent that three seconds with that person. But that's why you have a judge, not a computer

00:49:16.460 in a room. I mean, you work as what is realistic of enough violation that warrants full incarceration

00:49:22.800 or maybe a warning or maybe just telling the police, come on, guys, get serious. Like there's

00:49:27.500 the spirit of the law and there's the letter of the law. And she's getting beaten by every aspect

00:49:32.800 of the law right now. Well, I think it's just appalling. And just to your point, you know,

00:49:38.120 I can't understand what the hell is wrong with Canadians right now that they let this go on.

00:49:45.680 And, you know, as I've been saying on social media the last little while, whether you were

00:49:50.860 supportive or not of the Freedom Convoy and the demonstration and protest in Ottawa that

00:49:57.800 resulted from that, whether you supported their initiative, you know, to draw attention to the

00:50:02.860 truckers' mandates, which was the original cause that they were protesting democratically,

00:50:08.740 peacefully with that convoy across Canada, you should still be appalled by what is happening

00:50:15.780 to Tamara Leash. I mean, here is a kind, generous, you know, grandmother, for goodness sake,

00:50:25.520 with not much for, you know, financial means that helped to organize this protest, a peaceful

00:50:33.080 protest, which she reinforced that message constantly. In fact, I congratulated her at the

00:50:39.920 end, when she was finally let out of jail the first time, I congratulated her as a novice

00:50:45.820 for staying on message, something that politicians can't do. But she managed to stay on message. She 0.99

00:50:51.560 didn't get distracted when some of the more loony bin fellas were talking about overthrowing the 0.83

00:50:57.980 government and staying there until Justin Trudeau resigned and some of that nonsense. She stayed on

00:51:04.060 message that this was a matter of rights, a matter of democracy. And that's why she was there.

00:51:10.480 And she's being punished like this. And, you know, today I posted on Twitter a sign and it says,

00:51:19.120 imagine how much better Canada would be if the justice system pursued child rapists with the

00:51:25.560 same vigor they have with Tamara Leish and her mischief charges. And, you know, what that

00:51:31.260 solicit. I mean, there was a lot of support that came through, but there was people saying, well,

00:51:36.420 she should be locked up. She's a terrorist. Well, I just, I'm giggling a bit, but not over that, 0.99

00:51:41.600 but just that, that image that's been going around, that's actually a direct quote from

00:51:45.180 one of my tweets from about a week ago. Somebody took it into an image. I'm glad it made it full

00:51:50.380 circle and it's going out there, but that's the point. It's, there's levels and levels and where

00:51:54.800 our justice system should be prioritizing. And yeah, we are, we don't go after child molesters

00:52:00.460 with the vigor and expense that we have been going after.

00:52:03.900 And I'll say we, because we're Canadians,

00:52:05.180 we're putting up with this, as you said at the start,

00:52:07.320 are going after Tamera Leach.

00:52:09.060 And that's why I wanted to bring you in too,

00:52:10.540 because you know her.

00:52:11.840 I mean, I'm looking, I'm talking about a character reference.

00:52:14.600 When we're talking about the spirit of the law,

00:52:17.300 then that also means,

00:52:18.640 does this person present a risk to society if she's let out?

00:52:21.560 Is she unstable?

00:52:22.560 Is she not a good person? 1.00

00:52:24.780 You know, I mean, if she was sort of a lunatic 0.91

00:52:27.480 who'd come to some meetings and so on, 0.97

00:52:29.160 you know, you'd probably just go,

00:52:30.460 Oh, geez, you know, they're being persecuted, but I'm not really going to stand up and say a lot on the person's character anyways, because it's just not something to speak to.

00:52:39.280 Tamara's not crazy.

00:52:40.540 No, not in the least.

00:52:42.040 And, you know, this is what's so frustrating for those of us that know Tamara and know her well.

00:52:46.840 I mean, I had the pleasure and the privilege of working with Tamara for about two years now, ever since I came out of retirement and started a new political party that evolved into the Maverick Party, the West's only federal party.

00:53:02.720 And Tamara was on the original board of directors. She stayed there. She worked hard, despite the challenges that she was facing in her personal life because of the financial upset of losing her employment. And her and her husband had to relocate to Manitoba for a while. Then they came back.

00:53:19.140 she's always been involved in causes, causes that are near and dear to her heart. And as I said

00:53:25.400 earlier, she's the type of grandma that cannot sit idly by when she sees an injustice, when she sees

00:53:32.860 that our rights and our democratic institution, basically, our constitutional rights are under

00:53:40.100 attack by our own government. And so she got involved. That was all. She got involved with

00:53:45.880 this effort to peacefully protest with this convoy and eventually in Ottawa. And now she's being

00:53:53.900 persecuted. That's the word that my friend Preston Manning used in his newspaper column of a couple

00:54:01.720 days ago. She's being persecuted by our own government. And it's absolutely appalling. As I've 0.64

00:54:09.340 said repeatedly, and as you've said, every single Canadian should be very, very concerned about this,

00:54:16.960 that she is being kept in jail now, but not by a judge, by a justice of the peace that made this

00:54:23.680 ruling on Friday to keep her incarcerated. What is this costing taxpayers to persecute this

00:54:31.860 grandmother? Oh, I mean, they spent hundreds of thousands just to fly homicide detectives across 0.87

00:54:36.660 the country to arrest her. I mean, the money being flushed because she paused next to somebody. 0.63

00:54:41.360 Remember, that's the crime she's in for right now. She paused with somebody she's not supposed 0.98

00:54:46.060 to be with for three seconds in a picture in a video, which again, technically, maybe if you're

00:54:50.920 really a hair splitter, you could say, wow, you crossed the line. We had a legal breakdown of

00:54:55.500 that actually from one of our columnists, Karen Selleck, and she's a lawyer. And again, you know,

00:55:00.080 going into how unreasonable that offense supposedly in the bail is. I mean, that's,

00:55:06.260 again, while you have a judge, and not a justice, she really goes into this justice of the peace.

00:55:09.800 This wasn't even one who was a former lawyer. And people got to remember, so this was not

00:55:13.800 a legal expert. So what did he base his ruling on? This is the part that puzzles people.

00:55:18.800 Yeah. And Karen questioned it quite interestingly, because she said, and he had to sit for four days

00:55:24.300 and come up with this. And he didn't give a written version. He just gave an oral, which

00:55:28.940 he said, typically they're going to give something written. But, you know, speculation, was he

00:55:33.220 dwelling on this, or was he asking certain people, what do you want me to do about this?

00:55:38.240 Certain people. Yeah. And it's... Far be it for us, ladies and gentlemen, to suggest that there

00:55:44.860 would be any political interference in these types of rulings, or what's been going on in this

00:55:50.540 courtroom, where an identified partisan prosecutor, right? I mean, he's contributed thousands of

00:56:00.460 dollars, as you've said, and others have said, to the Liberal Party of Canada. And he's allowed

00:56:05.860 to go on for hours ranting about Tamara as though she truly is a terrorist, rather than somebody

00:56:13.560 that believed in democracy in Canada. He's been almost obsessive with it. And

00:56:18.820 something I've speculated too, though, in past columns I wrote, I think it was for the

00:56:23.400 But either way, I think part of the reason they're after her is because she doesn't present the visible example of what they would like to point out as a convoy leader.

00:56:36.020 She's not a crazed person running around screaming through a bullhorn or a long history of arrests or a long history of organization.

00:56:43.580 She doesn't have a swastika tattooed on her forehead.

00:56:46.440 She's not wearing camouflage.

00:56:47.580 No, when people listen to her speak and they see her and they realize, even if they don't agree with her, whatever this person is, this isn't a threat to society.

00:56:56.880 This is it ruins that narrative.

00:56:58.960 This government's desperately trying to hang on to that.

00:57:01.260 This was a borderline insurrection, that this was led by praised people.

00:57:05.060 And she puts lie to that.

00:57:06.460 If she's out speaking, if she's allowed to go on social media, which she hasn't been, she's been following that bail condition.

00:57:12.060 It must be hard for an outspoken person to go months and months and not even make a peep.

00:57:16.600 And she's stuck to that.

00:57:18.160 But that's why they're afraid of her. 0.98

00:57:20.100 She gives the wrong example. 1.00

00:57:21.560 If she was a screaming, raging lunatic, they'd say, get out and get on Facebook as hard as you can because you're making our work easier for us. 1.00

00:57:27.900 Yeah, you're making our case. 0.91

00:57:29.460 But they don't have a case, really.

00:57:31.500 I mean, you know, if we reflect back to when she was arrested, okay, in Ottawa after this protest, I'll call it a protest.

00:57:42.180 I mean, the people that are so upset about this apparently call it a blockade or an occupation or they trump up all these kind of charges against, which was, I mean, they were bouncy castles.

00:57:56.020 They were protesters shoveling snow for the people.

00:57:59.420 they were supporting local businesses that had been in tough times, you know, the local coffee

00:58:05.240 shops and restaurants and hotels. And in any event, you know, because they blew their horns

00:58:11.740 a little bit too much and drew attention to themselves, they were, you know, into a situation

00:58:16.740 of an occupation. It's all been such nonsense. And you know, although there was a real hue and

00:58:23.200 cry from the government and from the mayor of Ottawa, Jim Watson, when it was shown that when

00:58:29.760 the police started to move in to clear the protesters, she said, what did she say? She said,

00:58:36.600 hold the line. That meant, according to the government and the courts, she was inciting

00:58:42.820 mischief. My God, what a terrible crime. But reflect back, ladies and gentlemen, on our history

00:58:51.420 of labor unrest in this country. Okay. How many times in our history, including fairly recently,

00:59:00.480 have we witnessed strikes where justifiably, you know, strikers are saying to their colleagues

00:59:08.800 when faced with the police trying to break up a, you know, the strikers line with their placards,

00:59:17.280 right? They're trying to break them up and they say, hold the line. You hear about those guys

00:59:21.260 being arrested, thrown in jail for 18 days, being denied bail, and then re-arrested? No.

00:59:28.420 It's recognized that Labour has a right to strike and protest. But she doesn't. She doesn't. 1.00

00:59:36.820 And this convoy, this protest in Ottawa, apparently they don't have that right.

00:59:42.700 Well, and the governments, again, their case is falling apart. And I think that's why they're

00:59:46.120 afraid. I mean, the Senate committees are ripping into them. The parliamentary committees are

00:59:49.740 ripping in. I've got a feeling we'll see, but this, this justice might be questionable is

00:59:53.940 leading the investigation. We'll hope not though. And he takes it seriously. They're not going to

00:59:58.440 be able to make their case for invoking the emergencies act. And even arguably, if people

01:00:03.480 say that the protested out state, it's welcome. Maybe they were there too long. It was time to

01:00:07.480 move them along. Yep. You know, we can debate that. That's fair enough, but there was no police.

01:00:12.280 That was the other thing saying that we can't do this without the emergencies act. They were saying,

01:00:17.100 just let us do this. We can do it. They cleared the border down in Windsor. They cleared the

01:00:21.340 Alberta border where those other side blockades were. That was before the Emergencies Act was

01:00:25.180 imposed. And not only that, but people buy into our mainstream media, bought and paid for liberal

01:00:32.660 media. They buy into their argument that those blockades at the Ambassador Bridge and here in

01:00:37.920 Alberta at Coots were somehow linked to what was going on in Ottawa. I know that for a fact. You

01:00:43.800 know that that is not true that these were people just common people that said you know what we're

01:00:50.460 going to rise up because of what's happening in ottawa sure but that did not have the approval

01:00:56.540 the support or the affiliation of the protesters in ottawa and yet the media the mainstream media

01:01:02.680 were just all over themselves buying into the liberals arguments that oh my god look what's

01:01:08.680 happening. This is growing all across the nation. Well, yes, in a way it was growing, but it had

01:01:13.620 nothing to do with Tamara Leach. No, and the media embarrassed itself over the course of that whole 0.98

01:01:18.320 affair. I mean, they bought into all of the BS myths, that fake Twitter thread of a supposed

01:01:24.280 arson. I remember people getting on my case at that time because I called BS as soon as I saw

01:01:28.620 this stinks. This is baloney. This guy's making this crap up. But the media jumped on, they reported 0.97

01:01:33.480 on it. And guess what? It was BS. Justin Ling puts his thing out claiming that guns had been seized.

01:01:41.080 Total BS, but the media seized on it, used it. And there was supposedly some sort of a weird

01:01:47.400 connection to, you know, the illegal importation of firearms and this big seizure that the police

01:01:55.400 had made somewhere else in Ontario. And they kind of linked it to what was going on in Ottawa.

01:02:00.600 and it was all bs no and and again that's part of it too is we've got a legacy media that leash

01:02:07.480 embarrasses again as a symbol because she's not everything they're trying to say this protest was

01:02:14.120 and you know that this emergencies act they could have cleared that protest without invoking it

01:02:19.400 well you know it's starting to come out and perhaps we'll see this uh confirmed with the

01:02:25.080 investigation. As you say, the judge that is leading that investigation, hopefully he's going

01:02:31.040 to do as thorough a job as Justice Gomory did with the infamous liberal sponsorship scandal of

01:02:38.500 a few years ago. And if he digs that deep and does that type of job, I think he'll do an enormous

01:02:45.120 service to Canadians. But Corey, I mean, it is becoming quite clear that the Emergencies Act,

01:02:53.240 at least partially, was brought in, not because the police asked for it, not the Ottawa police,

01:02:58.860 not the Ontario Provincial Police, not the RCMP, nobody, despite what the minister lied about in

01:03:05.820 the House of Commons in question period. You know, what was the reason? Well, now it's starting to be

01:03:13.600 suggested it was because tow truck drivers, owners, and companies refused to tow these vehicles.

01:03:21.780 So how can our prime minister and the mayor of Ottawa tow these trucks if he doesn't have any

01:03:29.300 tow trucks? I mean, government doesn't own tow trucks, but if they had the Emergencies Act,

01:03:35.700 if they had effectively martial law, the prime minister can do anything he wants, including

01:03:41.680 ordering tow trucks to tow these vehicles or they themselves will be punished under law.

01:03:49.520 Well, that's it. And not enough citizens realize how serious the invocation of that act is. I mean, it used to be called the War Measures Act, and they should have kept it that way because people would realize how serious it is when it's brought in, not just your run-of-the-mill emergency, because what it is, is a form of martial law. And what that means is you are going to suspend charter rights for people in the face of an emergency.

01:04:09.720 And of all of those, I don't think it was even used necessarily, but symbolically of being able to force a tow truck driver to labor for them, basically, and I say with a gun to their head.

01:04:20.360 And I mean, I know there wasn't a literal one, but hey, if you eventually push the police far enough when you've got an order against you, that's what you can end up with.

01:04:27.080 And then they wanted to press gangs.

01:04:31.940 I mean, you know, they could come on the street and grab you and forced labor.

01:04:34.860 This is not a minor thing. 1.00

01:04:36.260 This is what happens in third world countries.

01:04:38.900 People have to understand how serious that was and what was invoked there.

01:04:42.200 And I don't think enough Canadians get it.

01:04:44.400 No.

01:04:45.140 You know, I was thinking about, where is it here?

01:04:49.460 I was thinking about this, of course, yesterday and the day before as I was tweeting and posting on Facebook about Tamara and this injustice.

01:04:59.880 And I came across this famous quote by a Lutheran pastor a number of years ago.

01:05:06.200 And we've often heard it, but I want to read it out.

01:05:09.460 And I wrote it down, Corey, to make sure I didn't misquote.

01:05:13.540 First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

01:05:19.100 Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. 0.90

01:05:24.680 Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. 0.94

01:05:30.360 Then they came for me. And there was no one left to speak for me. You know, end of quote. 0.98

01:05:38.480 Corey, I know that some people will be appalled that I said that and that I'm overstating it.

01:05:45.660 But I don't believe I am. If we as Canadians allow Tamara Leach to be persecuted in this way,

01:05:52.220 to remain behind bars for mischief,

01:05:58.080 for a peaceful democratic protest,

01:06:01.200 I think this country is going down a very slippery slope.

01:06:05.000 That's it.

01:06:05.240 That's that principle of standing up for the rights of others,

01:06:07.400 even if you don't necessarily agree with their cause.

01:06:09.340 And actually, if you want to hang around,

01:06:10.340 if you've got a few more minutes,

01:06:11.020 I've got to cut away because we've got a live hit

01:06:12.940 coming from the Stampede grounds,

01:06:14.120 but I'd like to talk more on this

01:06:15.180 if you want to stay in the studio while we do that.

01:06:16.900 Absolutely.

01:06:17.500 Great.

01:06:17.780 So Jay and I are going to talk a little more, 0.99

01:06:19.220 But I see our Melanie Risdom down on the Stampede Grounds live.

01:06:24.240 And we're going to pop in.

01:06:24.980 Like I said, we're going to have some specials tomorrow.

01:06:26.700 We'll do a bit of that.

01:06:28.020 Hey, Melanie.

01:06:29.860 How's it going?

01:06:30.700 We're at the Stampede.

01:06:32.940 And we're up very, very high.

01:06:34.740 My goodness, we are almost at the top of this huge Ferris wheel.

01:06:40.040 And joining me right now is the, sorry, it's Scooter.

01:06:44.840 and he is the Vice President of Client Services for the North American Midway.

01:06:49.960 Scooter, tell us what we're on right now.

01:06:52.500 Well, we were able to bring out the super wheel with us this year,

01:06:55.600 which is 150 miles per wheel.

01:06:56.840 We have to speak really loudly. We're having some sound.

01:06:59.240 It has 36 client-controlled buckets.

01:07:02.240 We're sitting in some nice air conditioning right now,

01:07:04.160 and it gives you absolutely amazing sweeping views of the city of Calgary,

01:07:08.300 the Rocky Mountains, the whole Stampede Park, the Midway area,

01:07:12.700 and also the new construction.

01:07:14.000 We're really thrilled that we're able to bring them to the numbers that need to be here.

01:07:17.680 Wow, and we even have like a seated floor here. I don't know if you can get a

01:07:24.080 zoom of that, but you can see right through the floor here. There's my foot. So it's pretty,

01:07:29.920 it's pretty cool. What else is new on the ground, Scooter?

01:07:32.960 So we also brought two other rides with us. We brought the Raptor Run, which is a great ride

01:07:37.280 great fun here. It's a family ride made for a mom and dad and the kids, so young and young at heart.

01:07:42.080 It also brought the only traveling double-decker merry-go-round in North America.

01:07:46.260 It's right beside the big four, right next to the super wheel.

01:07:48.980 And not only is that a North American Midway showpiece, it's also a really good ride,

01:07:52.780 and it's been very, very well-received. It's been very, very popular.

01:07:56.580 Yeah, and it has been an absolutely packed stampede so far.

01:08:01.340 You know, you must be kind of happy to be back at it.

01:08:03.880 Yeah, at the beginning of the stampede, somebody asked me how many people were going to come this year,

01:08:07.120 and I said everyone, and I was right. Everyone did show up.

01:08:10.140 We had an amazing weekend, we had a break yesterday, and today with Community Day, it seems like Calgary's back here, busyness with us today, it's been spectacular so far.

01:08:20.320 You know, the people of Calgary really supported this event, and they're coming out in droves this year, I really appreciate that.

01:08:25.700 Yeah, it's great, now you have been doing this for quite a few years, why don't you tell us how you started sort of running things here on the Midway?

01:08:32.540 Well, I started in 1977. I graduated from high school, waited in my life for about three hours for a job at the Stampede, which I landed one, and I came to work the next day and found out actually I was working for the carnival.

01:08:44.620 And one thing led to the next, and 45 years later, I'm sitting right here talking to you, enjoying every minute of it.

01:08:50.880 Yeah, so you actually joined the circus, kind of. You get to travel with this amazing midway kind of all over North America.

01:08:58.640 Yeah, our company plays 124 events a year. We see about 15 million people. The unit that I'm involved with, we play 18 fairs, nine in Canada and nine in the United States. We kind of follow the sun. We start in the United States in the spring and work our way through Canada in the summertime. And then back in the United States into November. So on the road about nine months a year. And then back home to Calgary.

01:09:23.300 Yeah, Calgarian. And so again, these pods are air conditioning, so it's, boy, is it a treat because it is hot down here with the pavement.

01:09:33.220 What would you say, Scooter, is the ride, like the number one ride? What are people lining up the most for?

01:09:40.320 Well, you know, our Crazy Mouse roller coaster is always popular with everybody.

01:09:43.940 On a hot day like today, the Niagara Falls Floom is the right way to cool down.

01:09:47.720 And of course, what about the iconic, do you want to go faster, Polar Express?

01:09:51.720 us and what would be the stampede without the zipper right so i think you know that's really

01:09:56.120 kind of our top our top ones kind of our fan favorites and as far as the rides are concerned

01:10:01.640 what else do you kind of uh what else do you sort of orchestrate here on the grounds games and other

01:10:06.920 things so we have a whole bunch of rides but also we have uh 60 some odd games too so teddy bears

01:10:12.280 for some love affairs and we have 18 great food stands which augments the calgary stampede fantastic

01:10:19.880 lineup of food mini donuts lemonade pizza cotton candy corn dogs of course so you know

01:10:26.920 that kind of rounds out north american midway which is rides games and food and speaking of

01:10:31.400 foods uh i think there are a few different uh things that people can try every year what are

01:10:37.640 some of the new to tries this year on the midway well you know on the stampede side they're a little

01:10:42.680 bit more adventurous than we are we at north american midway we stick with those staple

01:10:46.920 carnival favorite foods like mini donuts and cotton candy and pizza and corn dogs that's kind

01:10:53.160 of our thing you know there's some people that are booked with the stampede that have tried some

01:10:57.080 adventurous things and i hear they're doing very very well yeah i heard i walked by a booth the

01:11:01.480 other day that had hot dogs with crickets uh and i think there were other things you could get that

01:11:06.760 had uh kind of crickets and whatnot in them so uh we're going up one more time here uh maybe we'll

01:11:13.320 will show another view of the grounds and there's a lot of construction happening here at the grounds

01:11:19.720 this year too just a huge expansion of the feeble center um you know which is

01:11:25.560 i mean it's kind of out of the way it's not really affecting anything down here on the grounds

01:11:29.880 and uh lots of room to come down and have a look what is uh what's the highlight for you every year

01:11:37.240 you know i've been a lot of friends here excuse me i have a lot of friends here at this camp

01:11:41.400 either that I've known for many years, I guess that's my highlight.

01:11:44.320 You know, and then how Calgary comes together to produce this event.

01:11:49.360 You know, sometimes I get the feeling we don't know in Calgary how this event is,

01:11:53.460 but it really is on a world stage.

01:11:55.380 We are right up there.

01:11:56.980 Well, and I think every politician in Canada makes their way this way.

01:12:02.600 I heard Trudeau was just down at the grounds.

01:12:04.600 Did you see him?

01:12:06.000 He actually put his son on the Megadrop.

01:12:07.700 We wanted to go for a run on the Megadrop, so he took his son on the Megadrop.

01:12:10.440 we had a great afternoon with him well that's great was and there was there a lot of uh fanfare

01:12:15.880 and and uh was it quite busy around him oh yeah well of course sunday is the family day and so

01:12:21.560 the prime minister came on sunday so he was surrounded by hundreds of thousands of people so

01:12:26.280 it was a pretty exciting time to see the prime minister come down and visit the stampede he's

01:12:30.040 come here many times before and we're always welcome to invite him and have him to join us

01:12:35.800 now uh let's just talk about a couple more days ahead of us uh for the stampede where we're

01:12:40.680 tomorrow uh tell me about tomorrow and uh what else people can look forward to well tomorrow's

01:12:45.560 kids day of course and that's always been a great day here at the copper stampede you know it's great

01:12:49.960 for young kids and their families to come on down and enjoy the stampede and then we're going to

01:12:54.840 wrap it up with uh the weekend and you know there's a fantastic lineup in the coke stage we've got

01:13:00.280 lake shelton on saturday night in the saddle go of course chuck wagons and the grandstand show

01:13:05.800 the rodeo in the afternoon there's a lot of things going on well uh you know what corey unfortunately

01:13:12.040 i i can't hear you so i will let you know that but uh we're going to be down down here again

01:13:16.680 tomorrow and we're going to be checking in and finding about finding out a little bit more about

01:13:20.440 some of that uh rest of the entertainment that's going to be down at the stampede for the last uh

01:13:26.440 i guess half week of stampede so thanks so much for joining us scooter and happy to have you back

01:13:31.880 in calgary for this and where are you off to next we're going to go to kdc that would be good

01:13:36.280 awesome all right well we will see you down at the grounds

01:13:44.760 okay so yeah that was our melanie risden coming live from the stampede grounds

01:13:50.520 i'm eating this cough today i didn't expect her to come live from a ferris wheel but there you go

01:13:56.440 Do I need to go and get another shot right away?

01:14:02.440 Oh, I just got to mask myself.

01:14:04.440 I had that earlier.

01:14:06.440 It was just nice to break away and Mel went down there to the grounds.

01:14:09.440 I mean, we do have nice weather.

01:14:11.440 We are due to just get out and live a little, enjoy ourselves.

01:14:14.440 I mean, I know the stampede is expensive and it's kind of the same all the time, but I'm

01:14:18.440 going to get down there this year because I haven't been in a few years and everybody's

01:14:22.440 been cooped up and what the heck, you know, buy some overpriced drinks, walk around.

01:14:25.440 drinks, walk around. I don't think I'll eat those insect-filled hot dogs Melanie was talking about,

01:14:29.860 but then when you're talking hot dogs, you probably had a pretty high chance that there

01:14:32.660 was something in there before. Just don't think about it. Exactly. Just enjoy. And it's, as you're

01:14:38.460 saying, it's so terrific after being cooped up for a couple of years now, and to support the

01:14:44.360 hundreds, if not thousands of people that are involved with the stampede that works so hard

01:14:49.620 throughout the year to provide that event for tourists and locals both and it's great to see so

01:14:57.780 many out enjoying it and supporting them. Yeah and lots of kids that's their main summer job

01:15:03.900 a couple of weeks of just getting out there the 10 days or whatever just working like crazy on

01:15:07.520 the grounds and yeah and again Stampede it's a little different Scooter mentioned at the end of

01:15:12.200 that I guess you know his next event is going to be K-Days in Edmonton used to be Klondike days for

01:15:15.920 those of us who remember. But it's a little different in Edmonton. You know, Edmonton,

01:15:20.200 it's a big fair and everything else, but Stampede's kind of unique. You know, the whole city

01:15:24.380 sort of gets on board with it. It's just, you know, people listen to me bitch about things 0.96

01:15:29.740 for an hour and a half. This is something positive. 0.90

01:15:31.620 People truly come from all around the world. I mean, they see it. They know about it. The

01:15:37.100 greatest outdoor show on earth, the Calgary Stampede. They're interested in the Western

01:15:42.340 way of life. One of our recent leadership candidates in the Maverick Party leadership

01:15:49.760 race was a young fella from Dubai, of all places, the United Arab Emirates, who immigrated here

01:15:57.520 because of the reaction he had to the Calgary Stampede a decade or so ago. So, I mean, it just

01:16:04.100 goes to show you it's worldwide. Yeah, no, it really gets into people's blood sometimes.

01:16:08.600 So getting worldwide, you wanted to speak on some of those world issues while we still got you here.

01:16:12.880 We've got a crazy world on the go right now.

01:16:15.380 Exactly.

01:16:16.020 We've got the farmer protest about the dramatic increase in the price and cost of fertilizer and what the government's trying to impose upon them in Holland, in the Netherlands.

01:16:28.380 We've got what we saw on the news recently about the mass protests in Sri Lanka that forced the resignation of the president.

01:16:36.260 you know it's really I think this whole business this ridiculous worldwide addressing of supposed

01:16:45.580 climate change is coming home to roost because there is a line there yes we all want to be

01:16:51.860 environmentally conscious and do what we can to protect our environment always have always will

01:16:57.920 but this this business of where they're going to force people off the land

01:17:03.320 They are going to dramatically impact the production of food.

01:17:08.760 And we already know the world, because of our population, our growth in population,

01:17:14.380 all we've got to do is have a bad famine, and you're going to have a lot of people

01:17:18.540 that aren't just suffering or struggling to pay the food that goes on the table

01:17:22.920 like we are in Canada, but much more than that, Corey.

01:17:26.960 And so we're seeing this growth of worldwide protests.

01:17:30.620 Well, the world's tense. We've had two unprecedented years of basically every developed nation contracting economically, stepping on the rights of individuals. People can argue whether it was justified or not, but we were locked up. I saw some clown on there saying there was never even a lockdown. People shouldn't even use that term.

01:17:48.780 come on when you're forced out of your business when you're forced to shut down when you're fined

01:17:53.320 for going out in groups of more than a couple of people and this is a crazy thing and now the price

01:17:59.360 is coming i mean people are upset they're prickly i think they've lost a lot of trust in the states

01:18:04.340 you know not just canada as you're saying everywhere and these governments can't push

01:18:08.340 the envelope the way they used to people are ready to push back and i i ranted about that

01:18:12.580 with the dutch and again mainstream media boy they're silent on this yeah but the dutch you

01:18:17.600 don't think of them standing up that much well they're ticked off they've had at least the

01:18:20.520 farmers have and well and you see those photographs so reminiscent of what started

01:18:25.520 last January in Canada with the truckers protest over there it's the farmers because they know

01:18:31.900 with what the government of Holland has said many of them will lose their farms and those that

01:18:38.640 struggle to survive aren't going to be making sufficient because they can't grow enough without

01:18:43.460 fertilizer. And we've got a growing problem in Canada. I was talking to my brother the other day

01:18:48.520 who farms up in the peace country. And he was saying that the cost of fertilizer has gone up

01:18:54.460 unbelievably in Canada. And it was already high before last fall when he was out anhydrissing

01:18:59.900 for this year's crop. And so we're not far behind folks. And when it affects the farmers and their

01:19:06.660 ability to properly fertilize and feed their crop, it's going to affect how many bushels they get.

01:19:13.460 what their long time financial viability will be, and ultimately, how many loaves of bread that can

01:19:21.540 be produced. Yeah, and we've got this ideologically blinded government. So we saw that with

01:19:25.980 Freeland the other day, when talking about the energy prices, and she comes up and says,

01:19:30.440 this is the reason we have to move even further towards electric. No, you fool, you really are 0.98

01:19:36.220 clueless. And I tell you what, and I've said this for years, and we're seeing it now, the environment 1.00

01:19:40.980 doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't fill your fridge and you can't pay your rent. It doesn't

01:19:44.560 matter how ideological or how concerned a person was about the fluffy bunnies and the temperature

01:19:49.220 20 years from now. If they can't feed their family or pay for the roof over their head,

01:19:54.520 they're going to rebel. This government doesn't get it yet. But some governments are starting to

01:19:58.960 get it pretty quickly now. Yeah. And you know, one of the things that's so frustrating, and I think

01:20:04.220 even more so for someone yourself that's on on air ranting day after day trying to draw people's

01:20:11.480 attention to this we get some great comments but they're just a handful of people that are paying

01:20:16.820 attention the masses are either tuned out or they're ambivalent or they apparently just don't

01:20:22.960 care what is coming at us and it is so frustrating and it's so annoying for for those of us that are

01:20:32.440 involved in trying to message this. And for those people out there, Corey, that say, well,

01:20:37.380 what can I do about it? You know, I was, again, doing a bit of research, and I reflected back on

01:20:44.260 the 1980s, and a fella in Poland, his name was, well, he's still around, Lech Walesa. And he led

01:20:53.580 a movement called the Solidarity Movement. It started out in the Gdansk shipyards as a strike

01:21:00.160 against the communist government of Poland. They wanted democracy. And, you know, it just grew and

01:21:07.680 grew and grew. And they finally forced that government's resignation. And arguably, they

01:21:12.500 played a key role in the Iron Curtain being destroyed, and ultimately, the breakup of the

01:21:19.420 Soviet Union. So when people think, well, you know, there's nothing that we can do. You know,

01:21:24.380 I point to things like that in history, where people have had the courage to stand up and be

01:21:29.420 counted and some amazing things happen. And I think we're starting to see that similar with

01:21:35.380 this farmer protest, even with our own arguably freedom convoy back in the winter. People are

01:21:42.800 reaching a breaking point and they're saying government just doesn't listen. These politicians

01:21:48.160 are saying exactly what we want to hear and then they get elected or re-elected and the next thing

01:21:54.240 you know, you know, it's the same old, same old. It's the status quo. Two leadership races now

01:21:59.660 for conservatives that Albertans support conservatives and both provincially and

01:22:05.000 federally. And what are those candidates saying with the exception perhaps of Danielle and Pierre

01:22:10.840 Pauliev at the federal level? Will they walk the walk if they win? Yeah, well, and I, it's always

01:22:20.440 is a hard one to believe. We get frustrated a lot. I believe that was a lot of Jason Kenney's

01:22:24.340 downfall. Again, he promised big and he delivered low and people wouldn't put up with that. I got

01:22:29.460 a feeling at least in Alberta, they're going to know whoever wins is going to know better. Like

01:22:33.720 they're not going to stay in that leadership if they don't follow through at least some of their

01:22:37.020 platform, depending on, unless it's one of the liberal. It's a frustrating thing for me though

01:22:42.000 at the federal level and why I've been saying for the last two years since I got involved in

01:22:46.840 launching Maverick is that I'm a slow learner, is because, okay, everybody jumps Pierre Poliev,

01:22:53.980 okay, he's saying all the right things, especially for Western Canada, especially for Alberta.

01:22:58.320 And hopefully he'll do it if he becomes Prime Minister. I'm not convinced, even if he wins the

01:23:02.840 leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada, that he can win the government. And he has to

01:23:06.700 have a majority. Remember, I was there in two Harper minorities, and how hard it is to get

01:23:12.140 anything done in a minority situation, a conservative minority. If you're a liberal,

01:23:18.300 of course, you just get the NDP to support you and away you go. Just the same as if you had a

01:23:22.680 majority. But for the conservatives, will he, as I say, walk the walk? Can he win a majority

01:23:30.140 by sticking to this type of a platform? Is it going to sell in central Canada? And then most

01:23:36.260 importantly, folks, what happens the next time? We've been going through this cycle for 100 years

01:23:43.200 now, or more than 100 years. And sooner or later, Central and Eastern Canada will say, well, I don't

01:23:50.000 really like what Pierre Polyev, as our Prime Minister, just as they did with Stephen Harper,

01:23:54.380 I don't really like what he's doing. We're going to vote Liberal again. And then what? We're right

01:24:00.040 back in the same thing. That's why the West has to do something different. Oh, absolutely.

01:24:06.060 I mean, the system has to change.

01:24:08.260 But I mean, there's something I say a lot too,

01:24:09.860 which is a depressing one, but it's true,

01:24:11.180 is things have to get worse before they get better.

01:24:13.160 And they've been getting progressively worse.

01:24:15.260 They always will bottom out, though.

01:24:16.900 I think people will realize to a degree

01:24:19.420 the futility of playing within a system

01:24:22.740 that's stacked against you.

01:24:24.440 Exactly.

01:24:25.240 But we just have to keep going.

01:24:26.800 It's as I said, too, we get people are cynical.

01:24:28.300 They say, I'll give up or I won't.

01:24:30.600 Well, that's...

01:24:31.060 I'll move.

01:24:32.260 But where are you going to move in the world

01:24:34.000 that's any damn better?

01:24:35.380 That's the problem, folks. 0.94

01:24:37.100 We've got to change it here to make it better so people want to move here.

01:24:40.660 Well, that's it.

01:24:41.160 So trying and losing is still better than throwing up your hands and guaranteeing a loss.

01:24:46.300 We've just got to keep at it.

01:24:47.680 It's as frustrating as it is.

01:24:48.920 It's a term we use a lot right now.

01:24:50.700 Well, what I would like to see, I think, and you yourself, Corey, is that people in both leadership races for the Conservatives, for Alberta's information, that they would be asked and commit to a timeline.

01:25:04.700 Okay. Like Danielle Smith says that one of our first things will be to bring forward this

01:25:09.760 Sovereignty Act, I think it's called. And great. Okay. What follows that? What specific laws,

01:25:18.440 federal laws, have you identified, Danielle, that you will commit to not adhering to? You don't need

01:25:24.480 to repeal them. You can't do that. They're federal laws, but you can commit to not implementing them

01:25:29.960 here in Alberta. How quickly will you move on an Alberta pension plan? I mean, people want to know

01:25:36.560 that. And as you say, that was the problem with Jason. He talked all these lines about the fair

01:25:41.960 deal panel recommendations, right? And then he got in there, nothing's happened. Nothing has

01:25:48.300 happened in that regard, other than that referendum that really didn't prove anything. We already knew

01:25:53.580 what the result was going to be, that Albertans are saying no to equalization as it's formulated

01:26:00.120 currently. Didn't tell us anything. And he gave us a chief firearms officer. Okay, good.

01:26:06.340 But the pension plan, the RCP, come on, enough. How many times have you got to get yes on the

01:26:11.060 ground before you say, okay, we're going to do it? Meddling around and kicking the can down the road.

01:26:15.780 So I hope in those two leadership races that especially the front runners are forced to

01:26:22.060 commit to a timeline so that people, as they did with Jason, can hold them accountable ultimately.

01:26:28.620 Yeah, well, we'll see. It's a long summer of politics. And well, thank you for coming in to

01:26:33.740 talk to us today. I'll kind of wrap up the show here, guys. Always lost the cover. We've solved

01:26:38.720 a couple of the world's problems, I think, today. Well, hopefully we've at least, again, reinforced

01:26:43.860 in your viewers' minds the need to take some action. A good friend of mine, Preston Manning,

01:26:50.480 always says, well, okay, that's fine to talk about it, Corey, but people need to do something.

01:26:57.500 Well, and I think in the wise words of a guy who's not typically called wise, I think it was

01:27:02.040 Mike Tyson, who he said, everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the face. So all the

01:27:06.100 fluffy plans and environmentalism, that's fine, but you're about to get punched in the face. So 0.97

01:27:09.620 you're going to have to reevaluate your plan in a hurry. And I think that'll mean a lot of people

01:27:13.040 though, perhaps standing up, even if late, it's better late than never. And we'll get some changes

01:27:16.900 yet. All right. So that was Jay Hill, the longtime member of parliament, reform member,

01:27:22.540 conservative alliance party, a whole number of incarnations, and then the founder of the Maverick

01:27:28.500 party, now political statesman and a regular show guest. It's been a pleasure as always. Great.

01:27:34.960 Thanks. And for you guys, I will see you all tomorrow. I'll make sure to try a couple of

01:27:39.120 those remedies for that bloody cough that's nagging me. The main one of which is not eating

01:27:42.860 a bunch of peanuts before the show and remembering to bring my water glass in with me.

01:27:48.420 So thanks again. And I'm going to have Paul Hinman on tomorrow because speaking of political

01:27:52.340 turmoil, boy, he's got a hornet's nest on his hands and some other guests in political chat

01:27:57.100 as well. So I'll see you tomorrow at 1130 a.m. sharp.

01:28:12.860 We'll be right back.

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