Western Standard - Triggered： We need to expand our mental institutions.

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Good morning. It's August 5th, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan. This is the

00:00:37.960 Western Standards daily live news rant, opinion show, and exchanging of ideas. Make sure to make

00:00:47.060 use of that comment scroll. I see somebody jumped in on there in the lead. A fellow is going by

00:00:51.480 Future Man and seems to have quite a push on for universal basic income, and that's fine. Good for 0.77

00:00:58.500 you. We covered that in a past show, and we can bring up topics and talk a little bit about them,

00:01:03.580 but if you can keep hammering posts over and over and over again, you will be blocked for spamming.

00:01:09.020 All the same, you made your point that Robert Stanfield was a conservative leader who supported

00:01:13.020 universal basic income in the 60s. Yes. Tommy Douglas, who started the NDP, supported eugenics.

00:01:20.140 You know, just because a stupid idea from the 60s was around doesn't mean it's a good idea today. 0.94

00:01:24.360 If universal basic income worked, they were talking about it in the 60s, 0.97

00:01:27.700 why has nobody successfully managed to make it work yet?

00:01:30.980 Because it doesn't. It's similar to communism that way.

00:01:33.600 Either way, it is something to discuss, and we've talked about it before.

00:01:37.500 Good to see you all out there from across the country.

00:01:39.700 Debbie out in Nova Scotia, Claudette.

00:01:41.780 Scott Campbell out in Thunder Bay.

00:01:43.660 I used to ski jump out there a long, long time ago.

00:01:46.680 Big Thunder.

00:01:47.960 They don't have those jumps open anymore.

00:01:50.740 It's too bad that sport's gone to the wayside.

00:01:52.380 by the way like i said use those comments though i mean i you know we don't always have to agree

00:01:56.760 we can put views out there and have discussions just keep it civil and like i said don't

00:02:01.300 rapid post and spam because it just distracts from everything okay a couple of observances

00:02:06.220 for the day it is international beer day i think most people can agree that's a good one i mean

00:02:10.280 again i i no longer can indulge i can get some de-alcoholized beer though and i certainly don't

00:02:15.500 begrudge other people from getting out and enjoying it so many good beers out there now i mean

00:02:19.200 compared to, you know, again, people like me who are getting into the middle-aged class here or

00:02:23.620 well into it. And back in Alberta, back in the late 80s, early 90s, all you could get was like

00:02:29.300 three or four kinds of beer, and you could only get it warm at the government-run liquor stores 0.99

00:02:32.380 when those jerks weren't on strike. Now there's hundreds and hundreds of kinds of beers, great 0.97

00:02:36.900 ones, bad ones, you name it. Today, though, is the day we celebrate it. Get out there, and it's the

00:02:41.440 right one. It's nice and hot out for the most part across the country. It's early August. Support

00:02:47.420 your local have a beer it's also and this is a great human advancement national underwear day

00:02:53.580 yes i mean this was a a great move up for general personal and public hygiene i mean

00:02:58.860 it really reduced the proliferation of pseudocons and uh just made the world a better place all

00:03:04.940 around though responsible underwear use is important so kindly enough yesterday deputy

00:03:11.180 prime minister and finance minister christia freeland demonstrated the importance of wearing

00:03:16.380 properly fitting underwear so you don't have to stop in the middle of a public event, reach back

00:03:21.100 and pull out a wayward thong. And hey, we've all been there. I've done that. I was just had the

00:03:25.320 good fortune when I was wearing those uncomfortable thongs, you know, not to have cameras on me all

00:03:28.860 the time. Now I've learned. I don't care what they say at those stores. Try those suckers on. You're

00:03:34.540 going to be wearing that for a while. Get out there, put that G-string on, make sure it's form

00:03:39.360 fitting though. If it's the wrong size, you're not doing yourself any favors. So get out there people

00:03:44.320 and send your best to Ms. Freeland

00:03:46.820 and her good display on our behalf

00:03:48.920 on, again, proper underwear use, 0.97

00:03:51.380 and let's celebrate that great human development.

00:03:54.200 Or go commando.

00:03:55.340 It's your business.

00:03:56.500 But if you've got to pick something out,

00:03:58.020 try and find a private spot for it, eh?

00:04:00.080 All right, I've got a couple of good guests on today.

00:04:02.000 As always, Mark Mielke, he's been on before.

00:04:04.060 He's of the Aristotle Foundation,

00:04:06.000 and he wrote a column on how the right

00:04:08.720 has to stop acting like the left.

00:04:11.280 Because, yes, the extremes are starting to sound

00:04:13.680 pretty similar when you get somebody over on the fringe on one side they tend to actually behave

00:04:18.960 quite similarly to the fringe on the other he's uh calling for a correction on it we're also going

00:04:23.560 to have western standard reporter jonathan bradley he's going to be here in studio he's been in

00:04:27.980 calgary for a while working on things he puts a lot of stories out and uh he well we'll talk about

00:04:33.160 a few of his stories but one of which is last weekend he went on sort of a field assignment and

00:04:37.880 attended a drag show. So we'll see what he observed there and what he thought of it. I'm

00:04:44.460 sure it was an interesting time. I don't have a problem with drag shows. Part of the problem with 0.99

00:04:48.120 these though is sometimes they just insist on bringing kids to them. And you know, they can

00:04:52.220 get a little racy, but I'm not sure in the case of this. And we'll talk about and see what's up

00:04:55.180 with it. All right, let's get on to what I'm going to talk about today to kick things off with my

00:04:59.780 thoughts. So recently we had a man go out in a rampage with a hammer in Calgary and he caused

00:05:04.500 hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage to the Calgary Peace Bridge. Then last week, another guy

00:05:09.360 broke into Calgary City Hall and did extensive damage to the building as he lit fires. He couldn't

00:05:14.720 be immediately restrained because he was carrying a large knife and he got injured when police

00:05:19.680 arrested him. And the City Hall is still closed now due to the water and fire damage. In Montreal,

00:05:25.120 last Tuesday and Wednesday, even worse, three people were shot and killed in what appeared to

00:05:28.980 be random killings. A suspect was located on Thursday yesterday in a motel and he was shot

00:05:33.620 been killed by police as they tried to apprehend him. Now the common denominator in all three of

00:05:37.620 these incidents is that all three of the perpetrators were known by authorities to

00:05:41.300 have serious mental disorders, but they'd been released into the public anyway. With the tragic

00:05:46.100 incident in Montreal, the killer had been released from a mental institution last March, despite the

00:05:50.720 psychiatrist at the hearing saying he presented a significant risk to public safety due to his

00:05:55.180 mental state. They knew he was dangerous. So if an expert felt this man was dangerous, why was he

00:06:00.040 released? Well, it's because of a policy trend essentially over decades called deinstitutionalization.

00:06:05.780 And that's a big mouthful, that one. And that movement came to a head at the end of the 20th

00:06:09.760 century. The rationale was it was inhumane to keep people incarcerated for mental health disorders

00:06:14.420 and that with proper community supports and medication, they can be safely and productively

00:06:19.140 living freely within the public. And in most cases, actually, this is true. In many cases,

00:06:23.720 though, it's wrong. And the price of failed community integration can be pretty high,

00:06:27.460 as we've seen. The push to keep people out of long-term mental health facilities is understandable.

00:06:31.880 Nobody likes to think of incarcerating somebody for a disease which is no fault of their own.

00:06:36.120 Just because a person can't be faulted for their mental illness doesn't mean they don't present a

00:06:41.100 hazard sometimes to themselves or the others around them if they aren't under control. I mean,

00:06:45.420 mental institutions used to be horrible places where patients were warehoused under terrible

00:06:48.940 conditions. They were often abused and they were subject to experiments even. In the 20th century,

00:06:53.340 that did change, though. And in the developed world, institutions were reformed to become more

00:06:57.240 treatment-oriented and with efforts to improve the standard of living for patients. When the

00:07:02.300 deinstitutionalization movement took hold, though, and I blame kind of the one flew over the cuckoo's

00:07:07.600 nest. It really started in the 70s and so on, people having this thought of how terrible it is

00:07:11.180 to be in a mental institution. The goal of reformation of the institutions, though, changed.

00:07:16.340 It went to one of elimination. And that movement was successful in that the populations of

00:07:21.100 institutions have dropped and many have even closed. In the long term, though, it's becoming

00:07:25.120 evident that the movement's been a failure. Many people found themselves on the streets that really

00:07:28.760 don't belong there. We have a terrible homelessness and opioid addiction epidemic, and it's killing

00:07:33.600 thousands right now. The solution to that crisis is going to be complicated and multifaceted.

00:07:38.920 One important facet of that puzzle, though, is the number of homeless and addicted people with

00:07:42.200 serious mental health disorders that never should have been on the street in the first place.

00:07:46.400 In a proper institution, medication can be supervised and regulated for patients.

00:07:50.680 In a street setting, many people with serious mental disorders are self-medicating with products they get from predatory street dealers.

00:07:56.200 And this compounds the person's problems as they now have an untreated mental illness and an addiction to feed.

00:08:01.540 Let's quit pretending the homeless person shambling around, pushing a shopping cart while talking to themselves, just needs a new apartment or a job.

00:08:07.660 We won't hesitate to put a person who's physically injured in a hospital. 0.53

00:08:10.660 We've got to stop being so squeamish about putting people with mental health disorders into proper care facilities as well.

00:08:16.320 And yes, the difference is the person with a mental illness might lose personal choice,

00:08:19.920 and I'm talking about secured facilities, but we don't have to like the necessity to accept it.

00:08:25.080 Harm mitigation, it's a popular concept these days when it comes to addictions.

00:08:28.120 Well, that term should be applied to people with mental health disorders as well.

00:08:31.240 And the means of mitigation will be institutionalization for a lot of them.

00:08:35.320 Existing mental health facilities are already overwhelmed.

00:08:38.260 Conventional hospitals have mental health wings, but they're full,

00:08:40.540 and they don't provide good or comfortable long-term care.

00:08:43.240 They're meant to be transitional and patients are often discharged, not because they're healthy again, but because the space and resources are needed.

00:08:50.420 Many people with mental health challenges have been housed in senior citizen care facilities as well because the units housing residents with dementia are secured and there's nowhere else to put people.

00:08:58.900 This is unfair to the seniors, the staff, and of course the people with the mental health illnesses.

00:09:02.900 And finally, many of those with serious mental health issues end up in our prison system.

00:09:06.960 They're often abused there and they don't get the treatment they need.

00:09:09.940 Let's accept that a number of people with mental illnesses just can't be treated,

00:09:13.580 at least not at this time, and must be secured within an institution indefinitely.

00:09:17.740 The facility doesn't need to be a place of punishment or harsh living.

00:09:21.040 Facilities should be well-funded and comfortable as possible while allowing visits with loved ones

00:09:24.620 and as much supervised public interaction as safely possible.

00:09:28.320 I'm sure many families who have lost members to the streets because of mental illness challenges

00:09:31.720 would have preferred it if the family member had been secured in a facility

00:09:34.200 rather than exposed to the elements and lost on the streets.

00:09:38.340 If patients truly can be stabilized and eased into society, that's the best outcome.

00:09:42.180 It has to be accepted, though, that many can't or won't stick to their medication or they're untreatable,

00:09:46.380 and they're going to have to remain insecure.

00:09:51.760 Deinstitutionalization. It's a big one.

00:09:52.940 It's a well-meaning but naive and failed policy.

00:09:56.460 It's time to tackle the issue of serious mental illness with a mixture of harsh realism and compassion.

00:10:00.960 That means expanding the capacity of our long-term secured mental health facilities and accepting they'll always be needed.

00:10:06.180 for the sake of patients and society as a whole.

00:10:09.740 That's what I wanted to talk about today

00:10:11.020 when we're seeing so many of these terrible outcomes lately.

00:10:14.100 All right, enough about the nuthouses.

00:10:16.000 Let's talk to our news editor, Mr. Dave Naylor,

00:10:19.120 and see what else is going on out there.

00:10:20.320 Hey, Dave.

00:10:21.260 Coming to you live from the Western Standard Nuthouse, correct?

00:10:24.580 Yes, yes.

00:10:25.340 It's a different sort of institution, that one.

00:10:27.180 It is.

00:10:27.740 We should all be institutionalized.

00:10:29.200 So what do you and Jane have planned for the weekend?

00:10:33.220 Well, we'll see.

00:10:34.120 I mean, Jane's, you know, working on some health things and so on.

00:10:36.980 But so I think a lot of what's going to happen is I will be directed to do the large number

00:10:41.800 of tasks Jane always has on the go.

00:10:43.460 So we've been building a shed back in the woods on a concrete or a gravel pad we found

00:10:47.020 back there.

00:10:47.880 I got a feeling I'm going to be putting the boards up on it under Jane's harsh and exacting

00:10:52.880 direction. 1.00

00:10:54.560 Sounds like a lovely time and a good way to get, you know, ready for divorce court. 1.00

00:11:00.560 Yeah, well, if she puts up with enough so far.

00:11:03.560 If she's put up with me this long, I think it'll be good.

00:11:05.820 That is true.

00:11:07.060 So I had lots of good stuff on the site this morning, Corey. 0.56

00:11:10.160 Best story being those sneaky Liberals are going to bring in a ban on importing handguns within the next two weeks.

00:11:18.180 They're going to do it without having to go through Parliament.

00:11:21.040 And this is going to put a hink in all those plans for people to get last-minute guns.

00:11:27.600 Because most of the handguns that are built are obviously being imported into Canada for sale.

00:11:33.560 So it's going to put a crimp in everybody's plans to try and get a handgun before they become banned.

00:11:39.540 Other stuff, we've got a guy in Ottawa who draped a U.S. flag over the Canadian tomb of the unknown soldier.

00:11:48.120 A very naughty thing to do, but police have caught him and questioned him and say he feels genuine remorse.

00:11:56.160 So there won't be any charges there.

00:11:58.820 UCP candidate Todd Lowen has written a letter to Alberta's Auditor General

00:12:03.680 asking them to investigate the mega bonuses, as he calls them,

00:12:09.820 that were paid out during the COVID pandemic.

00:12:12.740 Chief Medical Officer of Health, Dr. Dina Hinshaw,

00:12:16.260 brought home a cool, just a little bit under $600,000 0.82

00:12:19.760 for her work salary and bonuses last year during COVID.

00:12:25.220 So Lowen says this wasn't done with any official government approval.

00:12:31.040 It was all done through the civil service.

00:12:32.880 And he wants to know what happened and how they're going to stop it again.

00:12:38.800 Saskatchewan's top court has ordered a father there to get his kids vaccinated against COVID.

00:12:46.980 The father didn't want to.

00:12:48.440 The mother did.

00:12:49.660 They were separated or divorced. 1.00

00:12:52.060 And the judges ruled on the mom's side.

00:12:54.300 so the kids are going to have to get vaccinated and the feds are going to try and explain how

00:12:58.940 they managed to screw up uh covet purchasing to the tune of 106 million dollars uh chump change

00:13:06.460 for the liberals cory but it's a big chunk of lost money for uh for the rest of us so that's

00:13:12.700 up there now working on more stuff this afternoon and uh getting ready for things on the weekend so

00:13:18.620 keep checking back because there's going to be lots of uh fresh content right on yes our government

00:13:23.740 It always gives us lots of stories, at least to write on waste and misuse of our dollars.

00:13:27.380 So we know we can always at least have those stories for the weekend.

00:13:30.600 If nothing else, there's always a couple of stories a day on that.

00:13:33.760 Right on.

00:13:34.500 All right.

00:13:34.900 Thanks, Dave.

00:13:35.480 I'll see you after the show.

00:13:37.400 Have a good weekend, Craig.

00:13:38.660 Thanks.

00:13:39.580 It is Dave Naylor, our news editor, and a number of stories.

00:13:43.120 I mean, it seems to be a constant theme with a lot of those interesting ones, though, and breaking ones.

00:13:47.520 I mean, we have a full newsroom.

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00:14:30.960 slash membership and take out a subscription so we can keep expanding and getting better at this

00:14:34.880 and covering it because it's so important. You know, going back to some of the

00:14:38.900 discussion, a very fair question out of Ashley Ellis, you know, on my opening round,

00:14:43.100 who exactly is going to decide I have a mental illness? And yeah, it's not an easy question.

00:14:46.960 And it shouldn't be taken lightly. When I'm talking about possibly putting somebody against their will into a mental health facility, that that's a very serious move to be done.

00:14:56.420 But we do have some very serious examples. We're not talking about somebody who has some OCD, you know, anxiety or depression to a minor extent or things like that.

00:15:05.800 There are people where it's pretty clear, as I said, when you see that person whose personal health is clearly at risk, they're living on the streets,

00:15:12.360 They're getting exposed to the elements, exposed to crime, things like that.

00:15:17.160 And they're clearly not grasping reality.

00:15:19.420 And we've seen them.

00:15:20.060 If you've gone downtown, you've seen them.

00:15:21.380 These aren't people necessarily just addicted.

00:15:22.820 They have some serious disorders going on.

00:15:25.060 Let's face it, they're better in the institution for their own sake.

00:15:27.680 Or ones when they're getting violent, like this one in Montreal who killed three people.

00:15:31.060 He was already in for prior crimes.

00:15:33.080 They knew.

00:15:33.660 They knew he was dangerous.

00:15:34.680 They had psychiatrists saying he was dangerous.

00:15:37.220 He should not be let out.

00:15:39.040 And, you know, we get a lot of that when you say that with people

00:15:41.820 who have committed some bad crimes. They're not criminally responsible because they were

00:15:45.260 mentally unstable. Fair enough. I'm okay with that. But it doesn't mean they aren't dangerous

00:15:50.000 necessarily. So, I mean, again, I guess, you know, Ashley, I'm just saying there's not an easy

00:15:54.940 answer. You have to have a, hopefully, some sort of objective system to try and determine with

00:15:59.540 people where there's most safe to themselves and for others to be out. Because that is the last

00:16:04.260 resort. If they can be safely out, let's have them out. But the trend right now has been to

00:16:09.600 try and get everybody out. And it's just not realistic. Not everybody, unfortunately, is that

00:16:13.760 stable. And it's not doing them any favors. They're living in misery on the streets or in jail, as I

00:16:18.040 said, or in regular conventional hospitals that aren't facilitated, you know, not well set up for

00:16:24.280 long-term use. But no, there's no easy answers to things. But this whole trend of deinstitutionalization

00:16:32.460 is really not a good one. It was well-meaning, but naive. And it's not doing favors to people.

00:16:38.940 I mean, part of it was almost an over-belief, too, in how effective medications are, because they did find a lot of things, lithium, well, and a whole long list of antipsychotic medications that have really stabilized a lot of people.

00:16:52.180 Prior to the medications, there was no stabilizing them.

00:16:54.740 The problem is a lot of people who need those medications won't necessarily stay on them once they're on their own again.

00:17:01.640 And those who can, great, but those who can't, the outcome, again, if they go off their meds, can be tragic for themselves or others.

00:17:08.680 And that means some of those people have to be kept under secure supervision.

00:17:14.420 And it doesn't have to be punitive.

00:17:16.040 It doesn't have to be bad. 0.81

00:17:16.840 In fact, these are people who are sick.

00:17:18.720 I think we should be treating them as well as humanly possible.

00:17:21.820 But we have to take the whole picture and the safety, again, of everybody, the patient and the public in general, into consideration when doing these things.

00:17:29.900 And right now, again, it's just releasing them all the time.

00:17:33.340 Not all the time, often.

00:17:34.580 I mean, there's some people who are still certainly incarcerated for that reason.

00:17:36.780 but there's too many that have to have been and they don't need to or shouldn't have been. And

00:17:41.660 again, we got a lot of lack of space. When I read stories about mental health patients being put in

00:17:46.420 with seniors with dementia, because they do have, if you've visited before in some senior centers,

00:17:51.600 you know, and in nursing facilities, secure doorways and that so people can't escape the

00:17:55.700 ones with dementia, we don't want them wandering off. So they've taken those and use those for

00:18:00.000 people with mental, but that's the wrong place to put somebody. I mean, we've got to have the

00:18:05.240 room to accommodate this. I mean, our healthcare is running short all over the place. We're having

00:18:09.140 that same discussion openly enough when we got hallway care going on and people with injuries

00:18:13.600 not getting care in a hospital, a regular hospital. But we kind of got the same thing. We're pushing

00:18:19.080 away people that need hospitalization, possibly long-term for mental health things. It's health.

00:18:24.640 It's health like anything else. They can't help it. You're sick. And sometimes it can be treated

00:18:29.640 and sometimes it can't.

00:18:30.720 But a physiological issue, if it can't be treated,

00:18:34.780 of course it can be terrible for a person to lead to death,

00:18:37.860 but we kind of remember a mental health issue as well

00:18:43.500 can't be helped and it's an illness,

00:18:45.800 but it also is one that if it can't be treated,

00:18:49.440 a person isn't necessarily then safe to be out on their own.

00:18:52.720 And the goal is to always have somebody safe

00:18:56.880 out on their own if possible.

00:18:58.180 We want to, you know, respect people's freedoms as much as humanly possible, but we can't

00:19:03.160 err too far onto the other side when people are putting themselves or others at risk.

00:19:07.180 And like I said, the thing that prompted me, if you look up that story in Montreal, which,

00:19:12.620 you know, was tragic, three people killed, but random shootings.

00:19:17.380 And then the shooter himself was killed by police when they tried to apprehend him in

00:19:21.380 a hotel yesterday.

00:19:22.600 And to find out in March, it was expressly made clear at that hearing, this man is dangerous.

00:19:27.320 he's a risk to the public, and they still released him. I mean, if we have the psychiatrist

00:19:31.740 at the facility saying this man is dangerous, then why are we releasing them? So, I mean,

00:19:37.500 we've got to get, think a little harder on this. And, you know, it was a terrible price to be paid

00:19:43.600 for that mistake. And I'm sure it's a mistake. Nobody wanted to release a dangerous man among

00:19:46.980 the public, but that's what happened. And again, we need to evaluate how we're approaching things.

00:19:52.700 All right, let's get on to some other stuff and bring Mark Milky in. He wrote a couple of columns

00:19:57.240 recently actually another one since i asked him to come on but we'll start with the first one hey

00:20:01.400 mark how you doing i am great corey thanks for having me on yeah i appreciate it near with the

00:20:06.360 aristotle institute these are foundation these days i am so we hope to launch publicly later

00:20:12.440 this year maybe early 2023 we're going to deal with issues like reason democracy civilization

00:20:17.640 all quite weighty but we'll break them down over time and even some of the issues you just talked

00:20:22.040 about like crime in cities um this is i i think an increasingly it's increasingly evidence that

00:20:28.600 crime in cities is eroding say the civilization that we have in cities right someone can't walk

00:20:32.920 your dog and you know in a park without tripping over needles that sort of thing so there's a lot

00:20:37.560 to go after these days i think and we're going to do that at the urusano foundation for public policy

00:20:43.080 great well lots to look forward to and i see in the meantime you're still sharing a lot of thoughts

00:20:46.840 while you've released books of course a number of them over the years but uh the one that caught my

00:20:50.840 This time around, though, was that recent one, and this is one I'm sure you got some hot feedback on, but fair enough.

00:20:57.580 And you called a spade a spade, I think, in just saying that some of the people on the right should really stop acting like the left.

00:21:03.980 Well, the genius of the last 500 years in Western civilization anyway has been that we stop worshipping leaders.

00:21:12.720 The divine right of kings is pretty old now.

00:21:14.720 Nobody takes it seriously.

00:21:17.140 And we don't act like the left, a small secret service.

00:21:20.300 we don't worship leaders for their own sake and say only if we get the right leader, then all will

00:21:24.520 be well. It's nice to have the right leader who has some good ideas, but you don't want to rely

00:21:29.200 on that. And the lesson of the last 500 years in Western society and increasingly around the world

00:21:33.920 is that institutions matter. So you need the rule of law. You need courts to be independent,

00:21:39.920 so on and so forth. You need to be careful about your rhetoric. Well, historically, the left has

00:21:45.640 been revolutionary. They believe in dear leader from Lenin to Mao to, you know, Venezuela and

00:21:51.660 Hugo Chavez. The left has made these mistakes, really shredding institutions, believing in

00:21:57.420 leaders, using extreme rhetoric, calling Mitt Romney a fascist or a Nazi. I mean, about 10

00:22:02.640 years ago, mild-mannered Mormon Mitt Romney. So the left has often made these mistakes.

00:22:08.480 And there's really no way to sort of help society, you know, correct its errors and move ahead

00:22:13.440 with good policy. But increasingly, I'm also seeing this on the right. So that's why I wrote

00:22:18.960 the column for the Financial Post. I'm seeing evidence of some of this behavior on what broadly

00:22:24.280 can be construed as the right, people who think of themselves as conservatives or libertarians

00:22:28.340 or what have you. Yeah, and you brought up some examples. I mean, I guess some of it's the

00:22:33.980 hyperbole, the extreme polarization. As you said, when we're calling other leaders as frustrating

00:22:39.880 as it might be, calling Trudeau a fascist is still, you know, too far.

00:22:45.160 Or a communist.

00:22:46.280 Yeah, exactly. I mean, I don't think highly of Trudeau, and there's many, many things he can

00:22:50.920 be critiqued for. I think there's a strong streak of authoritarianism within him that's of concern,

00:22:56.600 but you sort of lose your case when you reach to the very extremes to try and describe somebody.

00:23:03.480 Well, it's word inflation. I mean, if everybody's a fascist or a Nazi or a communist,

00:23:07.560 then what does that mean when you encounter a real Nazi, fascist, or communist, right?

00:23:12.120 So let's get to some clear examples. I think there's been dear leader worship ever since

00:23:15.880 Donald Trump came onto the scene, at least in politics, since 2016. And I think it's

00:23:21.640 abhorrent what happened on January the 6th, so 2021. And I think that showed who Donald Trump was.

00:23:28.680 Nonetheless, even before that, I think there was evidence that here was a fellow who didn't really

00:23:33.000 respect American institutions set up by Thomas Jefferson and others two and a half centuries ago

00:23:39.020 or almost two and a half centuries ago. And so one has to be careful not to take sides,

00:23:44.500 take your own side, so to speak, at face value and the language these days. So again, look,

00:23:50.520 I think the Emergencies Act was a gross overreaction. It was a violation of civil rights

00:23:55.600 and by the current federal government. There's no question about shutting the bank accounts and

00:24:01.540 using the Emergencies Act to deal with blockades at the border, the trucker blockades at the

00:24:06.100 border was a vast overreaction. And I don't agree with the blockades at the border. I didn't in

00:24:10.700 February. I don't now. I mean, those of us on the right who are, you know, we could be considered

00:24:15.140 smallest and conservative, and I don't mean this in a partisan sense. I mean, those again, who kind

00:24:19.080 of hew to conservative ideals, you know, open markets, open trade, the rule of law, the importance

00:24:23.860 of institutions, the importance of civil society, of little platoons, as Edmund Burke called them,

00:24:28.500 You can't cheer on truckers at the border shutting down trade and commerce just because they're on your side and talking about freedom.

00:24:36.480 If you also don't like it when indigenous folk do this, when environmentalists do this to pipelines, when other acts of the shutdown city cores.

00:24:44.700 So I think it helps to be consistent.

00:24:46.660 But I'm seeing increasingly on the right, some even think tank leaders will refer to the prime minister again as a communist or Nazi or Premier Kenney as that in Alberta.

00:24:54.920 that is, that's inflationary language is the best way to put it. And it's not helpful. It's also not

00:25:01.680 accurate. Look, again, I have huge concerns. I think the Emergencies Act was a hammer to deal

00:25:07.300 with, you know, trade issues or border issues, border closure issues that obviously could have

00:25:12.760 been dealt with and were dealt with through legislation at COOTS. So I think there's been

00:25:16.640 a vast overreaction on all sides. And it doesn't help small C conservatives then to just throw

00:25:22.100 away their brains or their tact or their prudence and join in kind of the crusade of overreacting

00:25:29.200 or using hyped up language. I just don't think that helps. Well, yeah, and I understand frustration,

00:25:34.640 but, you know, it pushes some people too. I had some, you know, Twitter's always where I like to

00:25:38.360 sink into the lower depths of debate, but there's some good points. And there was an incident

00:25:42.500 recently with a restaurant where the owner had posed, I guess, Justin Trudeau was doing some

00:25:46.380 sort of PR thing there and he had pictures with Trudeau and he was swarmed, the restaurant was

00:25:50.760 swarmed on social media. They took his Google reviews all the way down to, you know, 0.5 or

00:25:55.900 something. And people went after that business. And I just, I said on Twitter, this is ugly to

00:26:02.100 behold, guys. This isn't the right way to deal with it. You got a problem with Trudeau, fine,

00:26:05.400 but lay off a business owner who had a prime minister visiting. And of course, they were all

00:26:08.880 saying, well, look what happened with Polyev when he went to Steam Whistle. Okay, but two wrongs

00:26:12.940 don't make a right. And that's kind of what the mentality some people are taking on. And that's

00:26:16.980 just making it, as I said, two wrongs. We're not benefiting at all when we go that route.

00:26:20.760 No. And again, I think it shreds the ability to have a reasonable debate or respond appropriately. And again, we don't like it. Those of us who, again, are considered on the right, and I think those are very wide general terms, but let's go with it.

00:26:35.720 you know, and I did in my column for the sake of, you know, some some context, those on the right

00:26:41.760 who don't like like it when some some businesses is boycotted because what they say something on

00:26:47.980 Twitter, you know, or they host a prime minister like, you know, former prime minister Stephen

00:26:52.240 Harper or something. Nobody likes it when when that happens to our side. So yes, I don't I don't

00:26:57.580 think it's helpful to do it to the other side. I mean, there are egregious instances where you may

00:27:02.180 decide not to work with business. I mean, maybe if they're engaged in slavery in some third world

00:27:07.920 country, okay, let's boycott that business. But I mean, to jump on the bandwagon, or like you

00:27:14.940 mentioned on Twitter, to attack a restaurant, I mean, this is nuts. I mean, let me give you an

00:27:19.900 example from New York that happened, I think it was about a year and a half ago, where some

00:27:23.920 restaurant that, I don't know, failed to properly do something on some, I think it was a Black Lives

00:27:30.740 matter issue or something. It was a couple of patrons who happened to be black showed up at a

00:27:35.660 New York restaurant. And I can't remember if they were asked to put on like proper attire or

00:27:39.720 something. It was more upper class restaurant or whatever it was. Or maybe they refused seating

00:27:44.780 because they didn't book in advance. I can't remember what it was, but it turned into a

00:27:47.620 cause for BLM. And the poor restaurant owner, who was just trying to enforce some standards or,

00:27:52.440 you know, book reservations in advance or whatever it was. I don't remember all these

00:27:55.440 got attacked on Twitter. Same thing as you just mentioned. I mean, it was a vast overreaction.

00:28:00.040 was unfair to the restaurant owner. But all of a sudden, people are becoming targets. It's a bit

00:28:04.260 of a revolutionary sentiment, actually. And again, on the conservative side, we used to believe that

00:28:08.580 reform mattered, that you take a gradualistic approach to change. It's the Edmund Burke

00:28:14.760 approach. You don't overthrow your monarchy in 1789 like the French do. We don't do this in 1.00

00:28:19.220 English-speaking countries. We modify things over time. And I think that's a much better approach.

00:28:24.300 I mean, Canada was founded on a reaction to the revolution in 1776 in the United States.

00:28:30.300 We have plenty of people who said, we don't really appreciate being chased up by, you

00:28:33.560 know, and tarred and feathered in New York and Boston, and who ended up as refugees in

00:28:37.520 what we now call Ontario, Quebec, and Atlantic Canada.

00:28:40.340 I mean, so the history of Canada is a little more, I don't want to use the word moderate. 0.91

00:28:44.400 That's a, you know, that's a ridiculous word.

00:28:46.080 It doesn't mean anything these days, but a more measured, prudent approach to changing 0.88

00:28:51.300 society.

00:28:52.100 So, yeah, I think we've got some problems here.

00:28:54.300 And it's not like we have to ignore the issue of freedom. That was the second column you referred to in the National Post that I wrote. We do have a strong history of freedom in this country. And I do have concerns, massive concerns that it's being eroded. The Emergencies Act was evidence of that. But then let's think smartly how to push back on this kind of stuff.

00:29:10.360 and that's one of the reasons I'm setting up a think tank and others are helping me and others

00:29:14.960 do this, is because I think there's ways to push back and we should push back. But let's not

00:29:19.200 imitate the most egregious, extreme measures of the left. I just think that's a recipe for

00:29:25.440 disaster. And in fact, you know, it saves the left from smashing into a brick wall on some of

00:29:30.660 these issues that they should be held to account for. Yeah, well, and as you pointed out in that

00:29:35.340 second piece, I wanted to talk briefly about that. You know, you're pointing out we have a history

00:29:38.580 of freedom. We, as a people, have a respect and, you know, an enjoyment of it. And it is

00:29:43.900 threatened. There's no doubt about that. It's been infringed upon. So we should be concerned

00:29:47.500 and pushing back. But, you know, kind of tying these two together, just because it's an important

00:29:53.660 issue doesn't mean you have to pull out all the stops. I mean, in your first piece, you did point

00:29:57.240 out, despite some of the hyperbole, we do have democratic mechanisms to change government,

00:30:01.400 even if it feels frustrating, even if it feels like it's not working at times.

00:30:05.400 Another area where I got into it with a lot of people was when protesters were showing up outside of the mayor's house in Calgary at her private residence.

00:30:12.280 I said, no, I mean, I'm on Gondek's case all the time.

00:30:15.820 I have no fan of hers. 0.98

00:30:17.260 But leave her home alone.

00:30:19.000 And then others are saying, well, the government's infringing on my freedom.

00:30:21.220 I have every right.

00:30:21.920 Look, you are not doing your cause any favors when you go out and do stuff like that any more than when the left goes into the house.

00:30:28.420 You lose the ability to argue that nobody should show up at your place if you err at some point in the future, or someone argues you err at some point in the future.

00:30:35.780 And again, if you're going to picket the mayor's home, then you can't really complain about Supreme Court justices being picketed in the United States or here one day, or other politicians.

00:30:43.980 Again, this is a very dangerous road to tread.

00:30:46.640 On the freedom issue, again, look, I have great concerns about the erosion of freedom in Canada, which is why I wrote the second column.

00:30:52.880 And so in the first column in the Financial Post, I picked on the right, said stop acting like the left.

00:30:58.020 In the second column, I said, for those of you who are more liberal, progressive, woke, left-wing, whatever you want to call yourselves, who argue, you know, freedom is just a dog whistle, it doesn't have a tradition in Canada, wrong, it does.

00:31:09.820 We were one of the first countries in the world, pre-Confederation, to abolish slavery.

00:31:14.200 Governor James Sinco worked towards that end, starting in 1791.

00:31:17.820 It was practically abolished by 1820, before the British Empire even abolished it, long before the Americans abolished slavery.

00:31:23.820 We have a tradition of freedom from John Diefenbaker, the Bill of Rights that he in

00:31:28.060 Parliament passed in 1960, which was an important milestone. And he restored the right to vote to

00:31:33.500 Indigenous Canadians. That was important. Pierre Trudeau, who normally I would disagree with in

00:31:38.880 almost everything, especially economically. Pierre Trudeau, for all his faults, understood

00:31:43.300 that civil rights, rights belong to individuals first. They are not dispensed to you by government.

00:31:48.920 that's an important thing to remind his son of these days and others on the left or progressives

00:31:54.580 or woke. We do have a tradition of freedom. Rights begin with the individual. And Pierre Trudeau was

00:31:59.640 no fan of identity politics. He hated nationalism in Quebec. He didn't like the idea that a small

00:32:05.140 collective, you know, like Quebec nationalists or a large collective like Quebec nationalists

00:32:09.460 in Quebec grew over a small collective English speakers. He hated that. He was in favor of

00:32:14.280 individual rights. And he was eloquent in his defense of individual freedom, although I would

00:32:19.100 disagree with him on some other issues. So we have a tradition of freedom in this country,

00:32:24.340 whether it's James Sinco, whether it's Wilfred Lorre, who I mentioned in my column, or even

00:32:28.740 Pierre Trudeau on some issues, that needs to be remembered as well. But I would urge my colleagues,

00:32:34.600 so to speak, in the think tank world or in journalism and elsewhere, not to use hyperbole.

00:32:39.600 Again, if everybody's a Nazi or a communist or a fascist, then nobody's paying attention when a real version of that comes along.

00:32:50.260 We'll be able to call it out when we can.

00:32:52.660 I'm not sure if you're getting me clearly.

00:32:53.900 I think we're having a few connection issues here, but we're hearing you quite well.

00:32:57.680 So, okay, well.

00:33:06.180 I think I've lost you again.

00:33:09.600 Okay. I'm sorry. I'm just having a few connection issues. So before I let you go,

00:33:15.940 where can we keep up with you? You've got the Aristotle Foundation on the go and you publish

00:33:20.400 elsewhere. Where can people see more of your articles and such, Mark?

00:33:24.740 aristotlefoundation.org, markmilkey.com, victimcult.com. So those will all do it,

00:33:30.840 but the aristotlefoundation.com or .ca and markmilkey.com. Those will get you to where

00:33:37.260 you need to go. Excellent. Well, thanks for coming in to talk to us today, Mark. They're always good

00:33:42.460 discussions to keep people thinking, even if we don't always all agree on them. So I hope we can

00:33:46.860 talk again soon down the road. Thank you, Corey. Great, thanks. So that is Mark Milkey of the

00:33:51.980 Aristotle Foundation, and he's done stuff with the Fraser Institute and written a number of books

00:33:56.920 over the years and things as well. And I mean, part of the discussion, look, everything is a PR

00:34:02.200 exercise. Even if you think that the democratic system isn't working and the votes don't work

00:34:06.740 fine. But you still need that if you want a tipping point of activists, people upset on the

00:34:12.480 ground to join together and push back, you've got to get a lot of them. And I tell you what,

00:34:18.360 when you see a bunch of people screaming like lunatics outside of a mayor's household,

00:34:22.160 you are not going to draw that larger number of people that you need. And again, back to that

00:34:27.820 statement of two wrongs making a right. I don't care if the left called us all racists. They

00:34:31.780 always will. That's what they do. Doesn't mean we should emulate them. You know, I don't care that

00:34:36.920 they blocked roads and railways. I mean, I do care. Of course I care. But just going back and doing

00:34:43.440 the same thing doesn't solve anything. And again, it doesn't win that public support. They're not

00:34:47.640 winning that public support on that pipeline. They're just being a pain in the ass. That CGL 1.00

00:34:52.620 line is taking forever, but it is going to get done. They're just putting the cost through the

00:34:57.100 their cause is still only supported by 1% of the population.

00:35:01.660 And Pat's saying civil disobedience is a right

00:35:03.760 when disagreeing with your government.

00:35:05.520 Yes, to an extent, to an extent.

00:35:09.320 Blocking a border for weeks, it's not a right.

00:35:12.200 You can keep trying it all you like.

00:35:13.940 It's going to end the same way.

00:35:16.600 You know, sitting up in an extended protest

00:35:18.620 on the streets of Ottawa,

00:35:19.620 I think that was getting there.

00:35:20.800 Again, you can't stay forever.

00:35:22.360 That's some of the discussion that has to be had,

00:35:24.560 I think, on the Freedom Convoy,

00:35:25.680 which, you know, I fully support it. And I definitely don't feel we needed the Emergencies

00:35:29.300 Act. But what you also need is an end game. You can't sit interminably, especially, you know,

00:35:38.380 again, we have a democratic means. Rocky saying they cause no harm, don't insult the freedom

00:35:42.160 fighters. Oh, bullshit, Rocky. Bullshit. A bunch of them went down there with firearms. 1.00

00:35:47.120 And I don't know exactly what their plan was, but it didn't do the cause a bit of good.

00:35:51.220 they blocked the border for weeks. To what end? Was the border blocked for weeks, Diana? I said,

00:35:57.100 yes, the one in Alberta was, at Coutts. It caused a lot of harm to local farmers who were trying to

00:36:02.620 get stuff across, to other private citizens trying to get across, to companies getting across. And

00:36:08.440 what happened? The police eventually broke it up, and they didn't win any public support with it.

00:36:12.560 You got to win public support. You don't like it, well, it's too bad. You'll land your butt in jail

00:36:17.180 like those other guys. And, you know, we just got to have more rational discussions. We can get 0.99

00:36:22.500 upset. Oh, God. Liar. They had no firearms. Yeah, whatever, Rocky. Now we're into the conspiracy

00:36:29.000 theories. Look, I said it before on the show. I actually knew one of those fellas. And they

00:36:33.640 weren't a setup. It wasn't a conspiracy. I don't know exactly what their plans were. And I don't

00:36:38.860 think that gentleman who was arrested is typically a violent individual. But they got themselves into

00:36:43.200 a terrible position. And I don't know what they're thinking when they went there. But if you want

00:36:47.820 your cause to get somewhere and you support movements like that, you're not getting anywhere.

00:36:52.900 You're not getting anywhere. All right. Let's see. Let's talk about a sponsor while we're at it.

00:36:58.240 And that's how we pay some of our bills. Speaking of leftism, speaking of standing up for our

00:37:02.800 freedoms, because wait a minute, Sylvia, no borders were blocked for weeks. Bullshit, Sylvia. The 0.99

00:37:07.100 Alberta one was. We had a guy down there the whole time. Oh, one lane in traffic in each direction

00:37:11.520 was always kept flowing. That's not true, Sylvia. And we live reported the whole thing. So I will

00:37:15.480 counter BS when I see it. And we were there. All right. So let's talk about how we can battle

00:37:21.660 things, how we can stand up for our rights. One of which is buying products from companies that

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00:38:38.720 they're a good one. Uh, resistancecoffee.com. All right. So let's look at some of this other

00:38:45.440 goodness here while we're at it. Um, speaking of COVID and all the rest of the, uh, stuff going

00:38:52.360 on. Yeah. Dave mentioned this in the news update, the department of public works, uh, promises to

00:38:57.020 disclose what, if anything, they did to verify the credibility of federal COVID suppliers.

00:39:01.340 I mean, this is just the tip of the iceberg. You know, this is all that's been exposed so far,

00:39:04.760 $100 million in contracting and theft with COVID supplies and throughout. It's a lot more than

00:39:11.640 that. It's a great deal more than that, we're sure. I mean, when you get one of these, and I

00:39:16.300 still don't call it an emergency, but when the government makes it one and when they lock people

00:39:19.920 down and they cause that much distress and disorder and nightmares, the opportunists and

00:39:24.500 but parasites come out of the woodworks all over the place.

00:39:27.700 And that's what's been happening here.

00:39:30.580 All we know of right now is about $106 million worth.

00:39:34.000 And there's a great deal more out there.

00:39:37.220 And this government, again, you see, it's sick to the core,

00:39:39.500 but we can't expose this stuff.

00:39:40.860 We can push back on it.

00:39:42.720 And Sylvia quit lying.

00:39:45.620 We were there.

00:39:46.280 We were on the ground for weeks.

00:39:47.740 They were not always allowed through.

00:39:49.620 Sorry.

00:39:51.100 So, you know, I'll push back when you're calling me a liar.

00:39:54.320 Guys, you're there. 0.99

00:39:55.700 Rocky, Pat King, he's a nut. 0.98

00:39:58.440 He had the right to go out and be a nut. 0.96

00:40:00.520 But yeah, I'm not going to sit there

00:40:01.600 and say he didn't bring some of that on himself.

00:40:03.260 That's what I'm saying.

00:40:03.920 We need rational people pushing on these things. 0.98

00:40:07.680 And Carrie Lynn Oldford, yes, Putin is a nutcase.

00:40:10.420 So yeah, if you're looking for somebody 0.94

00:40:11.860 with a pro-Russia point of view,

00:40:13.580 you got the wrong guy here for it today too.

00:40:15.640 But we've covered all that in past things.

00:40:19.500 Let's see what else we got out here.

00:40:21.020 Some of our money at work, guys.

00:40:23.680 Lion Electric Company, St. Jerome. This is basically reported net earnings of $37.5 million

00:40:29.300 in 2022. But the reality is, is because it was all subsidies. This is electric vehicles

00:40:35.860 and they're not feasible. They're not viable. But guess what? It's a Quebec company. So the

00:40:42.060 money is being poured into that place and they're celebrating it. Look how well we're doing. We got

00:40:46.040 sales going up. Well, of course they have. They announced that it's electric trucks. So these

00:40:50.440 guys put out heavier duty trucks and commercial vehicles and that, not just your run-of-the-mill

00:40:56.700 vehicles. And the trucks are eligible for stackable government subsidies up to $100,000 and up.

00:41:04.120 So yeah, and that puts their price on par with gas-powered competitors. You've got to

00:41:09.640 put $100,000 in subsidies to make a truck suddenly competitive with a gas-powered one.

00:41:16.240 that's way way beyond the pale these are not viable but this electrical vehicle thing and

00:41:21.980 we've talked about that a number of times it's a waste they are not efficient they're not even

00:41:26.000 close to replacing gas vehicles but they're stealing the money from our wallets through

00:41:29.840 tax dollars and pouring them into these again speaking of scammers that come in and do those 0.99

00:41:34.480 things and uh that's what's going on here i mean they're parasites well quebec you know they 0.90

00:41:40.840 they specialize in it i mean they they're the the subsidy capital of the country i mean they're like 0.90

00:41:45.100 a funnel sucking all the money out of us into them all the time, whether it's SNC-Lavalin 0.58

00:41:50.900 or of course Bombardier, the king of the subsidy whores out there, the money just keeps getting 0.94

00:41:56.840 poured in and in. And we see that with these, I'll say smaller, you know, companies like this one,

00:42:01.920 where we're talking about $37 million, but it's still almost all of it's coming from us. We have

00:42:08.520 keep giving them money so they can keep pushing an unviable business model. Let's see. Yes,

00:42:18.800 Canadian Armed Forces. This comes up a lot, actually. And I spoke to that lawyer yesterday,

00:42:23.540 Valor Law. And for people concerned about that, by all means, go there and talk to her.

00:42:27.180 It was a very good interview as well. Her name was Christensen. She's a lawyer. And they specialize

00:42:33.580 in protecting our service people and people from the Canadian Armed Forces. And this story came up

00:42:38.040 that they're still, you know, enforcing their vaccine order.

00:42:42.900 You know, the rest of the federal employees

00:42:44.520 have had the mandates dumped, other areas,

00:42:46.960 but the military is still pushing on this.

00:42:49.560 They got a class action suit

00:42:50.780 already coming after them right now

00:42:52.800 over some of the treatment they did.

00:42:55.180 And I think...

00:42:58.440 But I mean, again, what do you expect?

00:42:59.820 You've got people who are beholden to the prime minister

00:43:03.340 who's vindictive, little man.

00:43:06.080 And...

00:43:08.040 The connection's kind of going a little again, but hopefully you're getting most of what I'm

00:43:21.820 putting across. I know some of what I'm putting across. Let's see here. We've got, before I get

00:43:29.480 to my next guest, I'll talk about another one that's been kind of interesting. And

00:43:32.560 here we go, COVID Lab. This one's a big one. It should be much bigger. So a federal contractor

00:43:41.140 who was hired to manage the airport COVID test kits. Well, again, speaking of the parasites, 0.98

00:43:46.540 the ones who come in, the ones who get these government contracts, who usually one way or 0.97

00:43:49.920 another are connected to a high government official of some sort. That's how they get the contracts.

00:43:53.960 They managed to get a hold of 147,000 travelers' email addresses and started spamming them.

00:44:00.580 And, you know, this is what's happening.

00:44:03.560 You've got government-enforced things. 0.95

00:44:04.680 You've got a gun to your head.

00:44:05.660 You can't go through the airport, so you couldn't at that time, 0.99

00:44:08.500 without taking part in their system, their apps, their testing, and their crap like that.

00:44:14.380 And then you find out that this contractor is basically either using or selling your information

00:44:20.600 for other commercial things, and you're getting spammed with it.

00:44:24.140 They're violating your privacy.

00:44:26.740 And you have no choice because you're forced to deal with these guys.

00:44:29.860 when you go through the airport. These are big problems. And this is what needs to be exposed.

00:44:33.820 Paradox, you're saying chances are it was a sole source contract. Oh, you bet it was. You're

00:44:37.000 darn right it was. And, you know, they open things up to bidding, of course. And suddenly,

00:44:45.080 you know, you might start getting efficiency or a company, they'll say, hey, we'll actually

00:44:48.440 protect it. So actually, I'm going further in the story. And I see that this was, hey, guess what?

00:44:53.320 A company out of Quebec, there's a shocker. Yeah. And they got $68.3 million to run those

00:44:59.680 tests at Trudeau International Airport. A lovely name for an airport, isn't it? And they're using

00:45:07.000 that basically for data mining so that they can spam you with other commercial products. Welcome

00:45:12.260 to Canada and your government serving you. All right. I've ranted enough. Hopefully the connection

00:45:19.220 seems to be stabilized. We've got our guest in. This is the first time he's been here in person

00:45:22.760 in studio, though he's been working in Calgary with us for quite some time now. And it's Jonathan

00:45:27.180 Bradley. He's been writing. Boy, I looked up your past stories. You've already got a hundred and

00:45:32.240 some stories or more archived with the Western Standard. I was trying to see what you've been

00:45:35.660 on. You're a prolific writer. I think 200 something, but yeah. So I appreciate you coming

00:45:42.320 in so we can chat. You know, we like talking about those. You did something that's a little

00:45:45.720 different last weekend. I'll start with that one right off the bat. You went to, I believe it was

00:45:51.120 a Twisted Element. Yeah, it was a Twisted Element. Okay. So just so people know, Twisted Element is a

00:45:55.180 a gay bar in calgary it's a well-established one and and uh you attended a a family drag event yes

00:46:02.140 there were children as young as two watching these drag performers get up dance around

00:46:07.020 one drag queen stripped off her top clothes as she was performing it was rather disturbing to watch

00:46:12.460 um i've just really felt uncomfortable at times that's uh you know unfortunate i mean it's it's

00:46:18.540 one thing to have a drag event where you've got trans people or drag people around even if there's

00:46:23.420 There's kids there. I mean, I don't think that's necessarily bad, but when it's a drag show, there's a degree of sexualizing. It's more of a stripper mentality or burlesque anyways and things like that, which I don't think, you know, we should be bringing young kids to a straight burlesque show either. 0.99

00:46:37.460 absolutely and it was disturbing to watch uh these performers um some of them were even like doing

00:46:42.780 some rather sexualized dance moves there was one point as well where i was kind of disturbed where

00:46:47.060 the intermission was a drag story time and it was one of the drag king read the kids this book about

00:46:53.640 this i think it was like a three or four year old child who ended up transitioning and three and

00:46:58.000 four year old children like sometimes think they're superheroes or are princesses so making

00:47:03.940 a gender transition like that is rather severe. Yeah. I mean, just, just let them be kids. You 0.71

00:47:08.300 know, I mean, I, I've always been, well, not always, I had to grow up. I mean, I, uh, but I

00:47:13.480 mean, I, I'm very tolerant. Uh, if person's trans, great, identify how you will, if that's what makes

00:47:17.660 you happy, you know, gay, lesbian, I think your business, uh, by it's, I don't care if you're an

00:47:23.180 adult and everybody's consenting, but there's that first part, the adult. And now it just seems we've

00:47:27.880 found all the rights and brought them to a great spot, but there's the activist element that just

00:47:32.600 has to push it now towards the kids.

00:47:34.620 And that's where a lot of people are starting to get upset,

00:47:36.420 even the trans community.

00:47:37.660 Yes, there are many people in the LGBT community

00:47:39.880 who are offended by some of the more extreme elements

00:47:43.060 in their activism.

00:47:45.380 And you did have that at the end of your story,

00:47:47.120 I believe, one drag performer who, you know,

00:47:50.260 was speaking on that sort of thing, saying,

00:47:52.960 that was Kitty Demure, saying, you know, 1.00

00:47:54.400 people, stop taking your kids to these drag shows. 1.00

00:47:56.540 And this is a drag queen. 1.00

00:47:57.640 She's very supportive of this. 1.00

00:47:59.180 Just don't bring the kids. 1.00

00:48:01.280 Yes, she talked about how a drag queen is kind of like a porn star or stripper, 1.00

00:48:06.100 and she's like, you wouldn't want your kid idolizing one of those, 0.99

00:48:08.380 so why would you want them idolizing a drag queen?

00:48:10.440 Yeah, and likewise, there's another one, and I'm forgetting her name offhand. 1.00

00:48:13.380 She's a very outspoken conservative trans person. 0.99

00:48:16.020 What's that? 1.00

00:48:16.560 Lady Maga? 0.81

00:48:17.420 No, not that one, but I think there's a few conservative trans people out there anyways.

00:48:21.160 Blair White? 0.98

00:48:21.840 Blair White, there we go. 0.99

00:48:23.320 And she's made a great statement.

00:48:25.100 I'm going to paraphrase it and probably ruin it,

00:48:27.340 But in the sense of, you know, you wouldn't look at a run-of-the-mill stripper or porn star spinning around a pole as an example of a good woman. 0.51

00:48:35.920 Why would you look at the ones who are performing at some of these shows as necessarily good examples for children of trans people?

00:48:41.940 Even if a person's coming up trans, it doesn't mean they necessarily want to be a stripper and things like that. 0.78

00:48:46.980 But they just seem to keep pushing that limit, and it's frustrating. 0.98

00:48:50.260 Yes.

00:48:51.360 Was it good otherwise, though?

00:48:52.280 Good drinks, service?

00:48:53.400 I mean, the shows, they used to do them down in a place called Boys Town in Calgary, like, I hate to say, you know, like 30 years ago.

00:48:59.400 And it was a popular thing.

00:49:00.760 I mean, it was, but it was unimaginable that you would bring kids to a drag show.

00:49:03.520 That's all.

00:49:04.260 But I mean, there were, they were actually events that people had a lot of fun at and good entertainment and socializing.

00:49:09.660 Was it, aside from the family aspect, a decent show?

00:49:13.260 Yeah, it was all right.

00:49:14.200 Not your thing, necessarily.

00:49:15.120 Not my thing, really.

00:49:17.420 That's fine.

00:49:18.300 But we've just come to some, some crazy times.

00:49:21.560 I mean, and again, you know, it's, it's twisted element. It's, it's their place. Good, good on it.

00:49:25.740 It just, uh, it doesn't have to be a family event necessarily. That's all. Um, I don't know.

00:49:31.680 Like I said, there's a lot of value in drag shows. I thought they were great in the past, but

00:49:34.860 I didn't, I never considered taking my kids to them. Uh, so, oh, well, whatever. Okay. Let's

00:49:42.460 talk about some other stories. So what have you been working on this week? So one big story we

00:49:46.640 had come out earlier this week was I filed an ATIP request for your listeners who aren't familiar

00:49:51.120 ATIP stands for Access to Information and Privacy.

00:49:54.240 It's where you can get secret government information.

00:49:56.440 All you have to do is basically pay the $5 fee, and then the government goes through

00:50:00.640 and gives you a file.

00:50:01.640 And we obtained, the Western Standard obtained a file showing that the RCMP apparently only

00:50:06.340 paid $527 in overtime pay during the Freedom Convoy.

00:50:12.140 That seems rather unrealistic, the government's saying otherwise, but I'm pretty sure that

00:50:16.680 it just made no sense.

00:50:17.680 Yeah.

00:50:18.680 I mean, you know, it was a big action.

00:50:20.820 were a lot of staff on hand, you know, we're to believe they only had eight hour days throughout

00:50:25.920 the course of that entire thing. Yeah. And it was funny saying that they

00:50:29.500 said, oh, $527 in overtime pay. They did say in the ATIP request that they spent, it was

00:50:35.920 $1.6 million on transportation, which seems reasonable given that all sorts of RCMP officers

00:50:42.460 came in. And I think they spent something like $13,000 on accommodations, which could

00:50:47.460 seem practical. And then it was like 6,000 on like food, which kind of seems a little low. But

00:50:52.380 I mean, then again, these were just early government figures. But it was definitely

00:50:55.080 interesting seeing that the RCMP had this information was willing to give it out to me.

00:50:59.460 Yeah. And there were some other things I think that came up, though. There were some like buffets

00:51:03.120 that they attended and things that were pretty expensive that got expensive. You got a lot of

00:51:06.420 people traveling, those can add up. It just seems a little odd, though, when you're that many people

00:51:15.760 there just isn't that much overtime. I got a feeling the compensation, because you're asking

00:51:19.120 a lot for someone to travel across the country and spend a couple of weeks somewhere, they probably

00:51:22.880 called it something else in the compensation and, you know, a travel bonus or extreme circumstance,

00:51:27.840 or I have no idea what they'd label it. Another story I did recently that your listeners might

00:51:31.680 be interested to know was I was going through some government expense reports from the Alberta

00:51:35.840 government. And I found that Alberta UCP leadership candidate Lila here spent more than $1,000 on

00:51:41.600 pies for a function she said this function was uh for hospitality purposes but it was rather

00:51:46.640 interesting seeing that she spent more than a thousand dollars on pies for an event yeah that's

00:51:51.920 it's a good chunk of pies uh going on and uh hospitality being you know this isn't the

00:51:59.040 government's role to expense these sorts of things and if it's a party thing which i think this one

00:52:03.440 wasn't but i mean she should be coming out of her constituency's pocket not uh the government's one

00:52:08.160 with the expense, some of the most bizarre things.

00:52:10.400 Yep. Like I was digging through some other candidates expense reports just to see if

00:52:13.840 anyone had anything else that was rather large. Pretty much everyone else was clean. You know,

00:52:18.320 there was like a few here and there where someone was like, oh, I spent a few hundred dollars

00:52:21.280 for my staff on coffee and tea, or I've spent a few hundred dollars on candy for this event.

00:52:26.000 But if you ever want to have like see your jaw drop, definitely go through some expense reports,

00:52:30.880 you'll find some rather shocking findings.

00:52:32.480 hey well yeah things to watch you know and this uh comes up i guess you know over the course of

00:52:38.660 a leadership race that's going on right now um and uh basically i mean the other candidates

00:52:46.140 some of the advantages of ones like i guess brian gene and daniel smith who weren't in office very

00:52:50.480 long so they won't have records that somebody could pick right presumably they haven't done

00:52:53.620 anything wrong anyways but you didn't find anything that untoward from the rest of them

00:52:56.360 no nothing really that's good i mean it's good you got public disclosure of these expenses because

00:53:00.740 i mean that's part of what you know it's important gets them i mean we uh lost a municipal politician

00:53:06.260 in calgary because he ridiculously expensed a bunch of things and it was to the point of him

00:53:10.340 getting charged for it i believe in the end so uh so what else you've been working on there

00:53:15.140 well right now i've been working on a whole bunch of stories uh i'm going to be speaking with a

00:53:20.180 saskatoon father uh probably today or tomorrow his son was refused health care because uh the

00:53:26.980 the dad wouldn't allow the son to take a PCR test to get into the facility.

00:53:31.260 I saw it on Twitter and I followed up with the person who posted it and we're

00:53:35.420 going to be having a conversation soon.

00:53:37.200 Good. Yeah. And I see other things. So we got an advocacy group.

00:53:40.360 They're looking for testimonies for a trial. I mean, this is a, well,

00:53:44.720 they're saying COVID crimes against humanity.

00:53:46.640 There's a pretty loaded premise going on.

00:53:49.460 Yes. That's the Canadian COVID Care Alliance.

00:53:51.520 One of their board members, Philip Oldfield, I believe that's his name, I don't have it in front of me, he said that he wants to file this lawsuit with the International Criminal Court to try and hold provincial governments and the Canadian government accountable for alleged crimes against humanity.

00:54:10.400 He said he was looking for people who had experienced serious harm or injury or just negative side effects from, like, vaccine mandates or COVID restrictions, things like that.

00:54:23.960 And, yeah, it's on their website, so you can definitely check it out if you're interested.

00:54:29.320 All right.

00:54:29.820 Well, let's see what else we got.

00:54:31.320 Yeah, this is the Campaign Life Coalition and the Wilvers Horse Project.

00:54:34.700 I mean, this happens with every leadership campaign.

00:54:37.720 they're unapologetic you know basically anti-abortion or socially

00:54:44.480 conservative groups are speaking up in the UCP leadership race on which

00:54:48.720 candidates they may or may not prefer. Yes so Campaign Life Coalition said

00:54:53.020 their top choice is Todd Lowen because he's a pro-life Christian and they said

00:54:58.540 that they're they like Travis Haves as well but they said that they were a

00:55:02.260 little concerned about some of his recent comments about abortion and

00:55:05.480 campaign life coalition said they wouldn't support any of the other

00:55:09.620 candidates because they're for abortion. Wilberforce project was a little

00:55:14.120 different. They said that they were endorsing Todd Lowen and Travis Taves

00:55:17.960 and they said rank them one or two however you want. They also said that

00:55:21.080 they like some of the other candidates who had more socially conservative

00:55:24.020 policies but didn't really identify as them and they are opposed to Leela here

00:55:28.940 and Daniel Smith becoming leader because they're pro-choice. Yeah well I mean

00:55:33.020 Smith's always unapologetically been, you know, a libertarian rather than a classical small-c

00:55:37.660 conservative. But one policy, I think, from her platform that would appeal to social conservatives

00:55:42.060 is her plan to add COVID-19 vaccine status and political affiliation to the Alberta Human Rights

00:55:48.840 Act, and that could help social conservatives? It could help, yeah, everybody. I mean, basically,

00:55:53.900 with choice on medical status not being something you can discriminate against somebody on, and

00:55:59.080 And I think it's a very fair thing to put in, you know, as we were talking about before

00:56:04.000 with the guest I had from Valor Law and Slobodian that Linda had been interviewing her, they

00:56:09.540 had taken people and publicly, I mean, around their workplace, shamed them, they had pressured 0.86

00:56:14.600 them, they'd exposed their medical status to co-workers.

00:56:17.200 If this had been almost any other kind of thing in a workplace of a discrimination,

00:56:20.460 there would have been something under a Human Rights Act, and there's nothing to protect

00:56:23.300 people for medical status.

00:56:25.000 It's time to put that in there.

00:56:26.240 Oh, of course. We definitely saw serious violations of medical freedom in the last year

00:56:30.480 with vaccine passports and vaccine mandates. It's rather shocking to see that people would

00:56:35.360 be done at entry to a restaurant or a movie theater because they wouldn't take vaccines.

00:56:39.760 So what else we got here? The former Supreme Court justice. This has been a big one. We

00:56:43.360 haven't written a lot on it because sports is kind of a bit of our fringe, but it's big news

00:56:46.560 is that that Hockey Canada review that's going on right now. And it looks like they're pulling

00:56:52.240 out some heavy guns at least to try and review this thing and try and sort this mess up.

00:56:55.520 Yes, former Supreme Court Justice Thomas Cromwell will be leading the independent review and Hockey

00:57:00.800 Canada said that Cromwell will be looking at their structures and systems. They want to get their

00:57:06.160 structures and systems up to the caliber of similar national sport organizations and he's

00:57:12.000 going to be assisted by these two lawyers, I can't remember from the law firm, that they're going to

00:57:15.120 help with and all this stems from Hockey Canada with all the sex scandals and the sexual assault

00:57:19.520 cover-ups. Yeah, well, we've got a lot of stories on the go. Let's talk a little health care for a

00:57:26.900 moment here. That was an Ontario story, but we're seeing this breaking out everywhere. I mean,

00:57:31.380 this was on a poll that showed seven in 10 Ontario nurses felt they were unable to provide

00:57:35.700 adequate care. Yep. They talked about in the study how many nurses were feeling burned out

00:57:41.480 or were missing meals to, you know, fulfill extra responsibilities, things like that.

00:57:48.460 My best friend actually is a registered nurse at SickKids Hospital, and she was telling me all about how they've been really dealing with a whole lot of pressure lately because of the staff shortages, since many Ontario hospitals have vaccine mandates in place.

00:58:02.140 And the vaccine mandates are strict.

00:58:03.540 Like, they don't even allow religious exemptions in many cases.

00:58:05.840 It's the only two exemptions you can really get are if you have a heart problem or if you're allergic to the vaccine.

00:58:12.200 Yes.

00:58:12.740 So, I mean, that's been a contributing factor as well within things.

00:58:16.440 But I mean, the problem we're seeing everywhere, everywhere.

00:58:18.780 I mean, we're seeing the emergency care center in Calgary is reducing hours.

00:58:22.760 And in Ontario, they're shutting things down.

00:58:24.840 Maritimes, I saw some hospitals cutting.

00:58:26.740 I mean, it's funny.

00:58:27.220 We see Rachel Notley up there screaming and howling.

00:58:29.260 It's Kenny's fault.

00:58:29.960 It's Kenny's fault.

00:58:30.520 It's UCP's fault.

00:58:31.260 Well, no, it's everywhere in Canada.

00:58:34.840 It's the system.

00:58:35.940 When are they going to clue in, I think?

00:58:37.500 You know, guys, it's the system.

00:58:39.200 It's not like anybody cuts spending either.

00:58:40.580 We've increased spending this last two years on health more than anybody ever imagined.

00:58:43.820 Yet it's getting worse.

00:58:44.800 I did two stories recently.

00:58:46.280 one of them was about the Calgary hospital that was cutting hours to their urgent care center.

00:58:51.380 And the other was the Airdrie hospital. I think, I can't remember the exact title.

00:58:55.940 They're closing on weekends in the evenings because of staffing shortages.

00:59:00.700 Yeah. And it's happening all over, but the discussion just seems to be the wrong way.

00:59:04.580 They're always, well, we just need more money. We need more money. Well, we've already spent more money.

00:59:08.220 That's why you need to have private healthcare to give people an option.

00:59:11.720 That's what some of us certainly advocate for, at least some systemic reform.

00:59:15.440 we've got to change the way it's being done because it's just not working i attended uh daniel

00:59:19.600 smith's campaign rally uh it was about two ish three weeks ago and she spoke about uh the health

00:59:27.360 care and how it was a problem and she said one way that we could solve this is by repealing the

00:59:31.440 vaccine mandate which uh the next day the alberta health services ended up doing i mean actually

00:59:37.520 she had a premonition probably about that um because she said that many health care workers

00:59:42.160 were just getting up and leaving the province.

00:59:44.060 At her rally, she spoke about a doctor who she met.

00:59:46.860 He was from South Africa and he got up and left

00:59:48.940 and went back home because he was tired

00:59:51.060 of dealing with the vaccine mandate.

00:59:53.320 Yeah, well, and was it another one I was talking,

00:59:55.920 it wasn't the vaccine mandate,

00:59:57.020 but it was just our system in general.

00:59:58.200 I talked about that in the show yesterday.

00:59:59.480 He's a fellow looking to come here, a nurse from Croatia.

01:00:02.960 And he's been trying for two years to get in on Ontario

01:00:05.560 and the bureaucracy and the applications.

01:00:07.800 And then he finally threw his hands up and said,

01:00:09.020 ah, screw it, I'm going to Texas.

01:00:10.760 So, I mean, you know, we've got a lot going on that's keeping us from getting good qualified

01:00:15.480 people coming in to help serve these staffing shortages right now.

01:00:18.760 I mean, I'm from Ontario, and we're well known for our long hospital wait times.

01:00:22.280 I haven't been inside a hospital in Alberta yet, hopefully it won't have to be. But yeah,

01:00:26.760 in Ontario, some of the wait times are really bad.

01:00:28.920 Yeah, young and healthy. I mean, we always want to avoid a hospital whenever possible,

01:00:32.440 you know, nobody really ends up there if they wanted to. But I mean, that's something I think

01:00:37.400 it's always a top story in every provincial election always the top issue anyways if they

01:00:41.800 pull healthcare is always in the top two and they're going to have to deal with that these

01:00:47.240 leadership candidates are going to have to deal with it and they're going to have to deal with

01:00:50.040 it going into the general election i mean the the next alberto election is coming up in april

01:00:56.120 and we'll find it we'll see who the next premier is and i mean some of the candidates have really

01:00:59.960 interesting proposals with uh healthcare like daniel smith wants to create health spending

01:01:04.040 accounts and give $300 to everyone who, every Albertan to use on things like psychology,

01:01:09.480 dentistry, chiropractic. I think that could be a worthwhile idea and it might allow her to pick

01:01:15.520 up some momentum and maybe even win. With some people, I mean, some of the fear too is, I mean,

01:01:20.040 people have built this, this is a sacred cow out of the healthcare system. And I can tell you right

01:01:25.560 now, I know how, you know, the campaigning works and Rachel Notley and the others are going to be

01:01:28.820 saying, you know, assuming say Smith won, well, she'll, they'll be saying it about no matter who

01:01:33.460 wins as long as they're conserved they're going to say they're going to tear down and americanize

01:01:37.440 the canadian system and you're going to die if you don't have a high enough credit limit and

01:01:41.120 you'll you'll have to sew up your own wounds and and you know set your own leg and and you know

01:01:46.700 we know that that rhetoric's coming but at least uh you know it doesn't always have to be effective

01:01:51.180 i i'm kind of impressed in seeing somebody challenging it uh even if you know you're

01:01:55.200 going to get the blowback i think it's time they do because they're going to get the blowback no

01:01:57.980 matter what they say yeah like regardless uh whoever wins the alberta ndp will definitely 0.79

01:02:02.280 They portray the winner as some evil, racist, bigoted monster, whether that be even, whether that be Daniel Smith or Travis Taves or even someone like Rajansani, who's a person of color.

01:02:14.820 Yeah, they only have so many lines, it seems, in opposition.

01:02:18.700 As we watch this develop, I just hope, I want to see from some of the other candidates in this race, because, you know, we've both been watching it.

01:02:25.420 Yes.

01:02:25.860 And the other ones are all being guarded.

01:02:28.120 They won't touch health care if they can at all help it because they know it's a trap.

01:02:30.740 guys, get a little innovative. Talk about doing something. The status quo isn't enough. It doesn't

01:02:35.060 even have to necessarily agree with me with privatization, but show some courage. Like,

01:02:38.460 clearly the status quo isn't cutting it, but none of them have the courage really to shake it up.

01:02:42.600 Yeah. Privatizing health care is definitely a touchy subject because then you have all the

01:02:47.400 left-wing politicians screaming, being like, oh, conservatives want people to die, even though

01:02:51.920 people are dying, waiting for health care right now. But it's free to die waiting for health care

01:02:56.220 free to die you don't have to worry about getting bankrupted all right well i think we kind of

01:03:01.260 covered most of what you're on i know as i said you've got a lot on the go you're putting a lot

01:03:05.260 of those stories out there and i'm loving calgary it's an amazing city yeah and there's some other

01:03:09.900 stuff so you attended the stampede uh you've taken in some of these western events you know it wasn't

01:03:14.540 just the the drag show that i guess they didn't endear themselves as much to you as they should

01:03:18.860 be i went to the calgary stampede i got to watch uh rodeo events for the first time my favorite was

01:03:23.660 bull riding it was really cool to see if the cowboys bucked off the bulls yeah um i also had

01:03:28.780 the some of your listeners might not like this i had the mealworm hot dog at the the calgary stampede

01:03:33.660 it was pretty tasty don't worry uh claus schwab didn't encourage me to do it yeah well again hey

01:03:38.620 he falls into everything else if you're consenting adult you eat whatever the hell you like and

01:03:42.540 that's part of the fun with it i remember years ago they did the scorpion pizzas and all sorts

01:03:47.500 of gnarly things but just as i don't i don't think they're ever going to turn into best sellers but uh

01:03:52.300 you know, it's just part of the whole.

01:03:54.820 Yeah, it was similar to the Canadian National Exhibition,

01:03:57.300 which is our big festival, our big fair in Toronto.

01:04:00.660 It usually happens towards the end of the summer.

01:04:02.760 And they usually have all sorts of like wacky food.

01:04:04.860 They don't have any rodeo events.

01:04:05.840 So this was definitely a first for me.

01:04:07.300 It was really cool being an Ontario boy to see cowboys,

01:04:10.260 you know, riding around their horses.

01:04:11.840 Yeah, like the one out there.

01:04:13.260 I mean, people don't necessarily all dress up Western

01:04:14.920 around the whole city and everything during that period either.

01:04:17.340 I mean, that's the thing with the Stampede.

01:04:18.360 It's different.

01:04:18.840 People who haven't been here before realize

01:04:20.120 like the whole city goes wild for a week, you know?

01:04:22.000 I mean, we're allowed to come to work in jeans for a week.

01:04:24.860 And, you know, they paint up the fronts.

01:04:26.780 Every bar turns into a Western bar, at least for one week.

01:04:29.820 It's a different sort of thing for people if they haven't been to it.

01:04:32.600 Yeah, I went to the Calgary Tower a few weeks ago.

01:04:35.000 That was also pretty cool.

01:04:35.880 I loved looking at the view and seeing all over the city.

01:04:40.560 Yeah.

01:04:41.360 Well, right on.

01:04:42.520 Well, thank you for coming in to talk to us today in person.

01:04:45.560 Thank you.

01:04:45.800 You've been on the show before, but not face-to-face.

01:04:49.140 So I'll let you get back into that newsroom.

01:04:50.680 I'm sure Dave's got a whole list of things he wants to get you on next.

01:04:54.340 Have a good day.

01:04:55.080 You bet.

01:04:55.720 So that is Jonathan Bradley.

01:04:57.060 Yes, he's come all the way out from Ontario to write for us out here.

01:05:00.220 Of course, you've got readers and viewers from all across the country out here.

01:05:05.440 And as you can see, he's written stories on things that have happened in Ontario.

01:05:08.540 And a lot of it now, he's out here in Calgary, a lot of the Alberta beat

01:05:10.780 and going out in person and checking things out.

01:05:13.900 Like I said, I don't have a problem with drag shows.

01:05:16.320 They're fine.

01:05:17.200 But just, I don't know how family they can be, you know.

01:05:19.680 we'll see. I mean, you know, kind of digressing a little, like I said, way, way back when in the

01:05:25.500 nineties, when pride was still pretty small and, uh, it wasn't, uh, you know, a big affair like

01:05:31.960 it is nowadays. It was a girlfriend of mine at the time who took me out to a couple of those

01:05:36.140 and I had to learn, it was a great time. And it was interacting with people in social, I guess,

01:05:39.960 groups that I didn't typically interact with. And, and it was a good eye opener and it was

01:05:43.400 people getting together. I haven't been to a pride event now though in years because I won't go to 0.83

01:05:48.580 it because they politicized it so badly. Like I said, it got to a point where they just couldn't

01:05:52.500 stop and they pushed too far. So, well, now we're not going to allow the police there. Now we're

01:05:56.120 not going to allow certain political parties to put out a point of view there. And we're not going

01:06:00.860 to, well, wait a minute. The whole goal of this was us all getting together and getting to know

01:06:04.740 each other. And now it's gone back all the way full circle to, you know, exclusivity. So no,

01:06:13.560 I mean, I'm not interested in attending anymore. And it's too bad because it was something really

01:06:16.320 good. And Rocky's saying, wow, he's pro-drag. Yes, Rocky, I am. I don't care. I don't care.

01:06:21.500 If somebody wants to go out and drag and have a show and have a good time, and it's their business

01:06:26.960 good for them. You know, trans people, fine. It's good. It's the activists I got the problem with.

01:06:32.720 As for the rest, it doesn't hurt me any. They're grown people. They do what they like.

01:06:37.560 So let's talk about one of our sponsors before I go further with some news items, and that's the

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01:07:03.700 We got to push back.

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01:07:13.080 So, uh, careful. I, you know, I, I support free speech and lots of discussion, but when it starts

01:07:20.000 hearing some of that crap, and I heard that crap with anti-gay people and stuff before too, and 0.98

01:07:23.280 you start tying it to that, I don't have time for it. Not on my show. Find another one. So either 0.99

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01:08:10.600 firearms. These are the guys to get to. All right. And yeah, this is the story I've got at the top of

01:08:16.680 my thing there. So, I mean, public safety minister, Marco Mendocino. I don't even know how long we've

01:08:21.740 had a public safety minister. What kind of a broad named ministry that is anyways. And he's really

01:08:26.900 been in the midst of everything. I mean, I call him the minister of lies or the minister of BS

01:08:31.260 because he's been caught lying so many times, this guy. He's got no hesitation to just make

01:08:40.300 things up to fit his agenda out there. And now he's the one pushing on this. And this

01:08:46.680 is what's interesting. He says, they plan to temporarily ban the import of handguns

01:08:50.640 in the country. No, they aren't. There's nothing temporary about it. When they bring these

01:08:56.640 sorts of things in, they are not coming back. And he says this will last until a permanent

01:09:02.940 freeze is passed and Parliament comes into force. So at least, yeah, I guess, don't even

01:09:06.820 call it temporary. You're just trying to bring this in prematurely rather than having it go

01:09:13.320 through parliament. You know, they don't want to face discussion. He can't discuss things without

01:09:16.660 just lying about stuff. So yeah, here's a, I guess, Edmonton, this is, I'll see how that works.

01:09:24.140 Alberta ends Edmonton hallway medicine directive to compact patient search. So I didn't realize it

01:09:30.180 was a directive from the provincial government calling for hallway care. I mean, the bottom line

01:09:36.920 is, as I was talking to Jonathan about, our healthcare facilities are overloaded. They're

01:09:42.140 running out of resources. It doesn't matter how much we spend, we can't keep up. And literally,

01:09:46.720 people were being taken care of in the hallways because they just couldn't find somewhere to put

01:09:50.420 them. And that's part of where they were. It was coming all the way down the line because then

01:09:53.000 they were taking ambulance, you know, paramedics and getting them to take care of the patients in

01:09:59.760 the hallway. They wouldn't sign off on the patient. So they're kind of using them. But then,

01:10:03.280 of course, then you end up with a shortage of paramedics on the road and our ambulance service

01:10:06.840 falls by the wayside and people are dying, waiting for emergency services. So now we've got

01:10:10.400 firefighters and police officers that are firefighters and police officers that have to do

01:10:21.500 ambulance services like this. It's the system. That's what's getting me. Quit talking about all

01:10:25.500 the other stuff. It's the system. And we've got to examine that, but nobody's got the courage to.

01:10:33.060 I'm not even huge on that whole healthcare savings plan idea. I don't like that out of

01:10:37.740 Smith that much, but whatever, at least she's got the balls to put out something that the others 0.98

01:10:41.840 aren't. She's willing to talk about doing things different and thinking outside of the box and 0.91

01:10:47.260 putting forward more creative solutions than what the NDP or the more cowardly conservatives are,

01:10:52.920 which is just always, we'll just keep spending more money and spending more money and spending

01:10:56.260 more money. We can't. We spend some of the most per capita on earth and we have some of the worst

01:11:00.380 outcomes. Let's face reality. You know, Carrie Lynn Oldford saying, nothing new. Our healthcare

01:11:04.860 system's been buckling for years. Yes. And, you know, and governments have come and gone. They've

01:11:10.140 changed. Different provinces have different governments. It's not an ideology thing between

01:11:14.260 NDP or liberal and conservative because none of these governments can fix this. They have fixed it.

01:11:20.760 They've all had the opportunities, but if you aren't going to change the system, it's not going

01:11:26.780 to get better. It just comes down to that. And the unions, there's the big word that ties into

01:11:33.240 all of this too, though. The unions, public sector unions, terrify politicians. They are

01:11:38.820 batshit scared to try and take on anything that might get them crap from public service unions. 0.95

01:11:45.000 and they hold that status quo in healthcare 0.98

01:11:48.020 and that bloated, bloated, bloated administration.

01:11:51.880 To give credit where it's due,

01:11:53.120 I remember that from speeches in the past,

01:11:55.140 Paul Heman would always point out

01:11:56.400 back when he was running the Wild Rose party and such.

01:12:00.680 But you see, you know,

01:12:01.140 you go to the general hospital in Calgary

01:12:02.740 and you go to look at the staff parking area.

01:12:04.660 It's huge.

01:12:05.040 It's a huge hospital,

01:12:06.080 the Foothills Hospital there.

01:12:07.660 And, you know, hundreds and hundreds of cars.

01:12:09.720 It's all full through the week.

01:12:11.680 You go late at night or the weekend,

01:12:12.960 it's empty.

01:12:13.460 You know, there's a dozen cars.

01:12:15.000 That's because it's all administration.

01:12:16.900 People don't stop being sick after six at night or on weekends.

01:12:20.540 And there are still a lot of people working in that hospital caring for those people. 0.89

01:12:24.320 But the amount of top-heavy, paper-pushing bureaucrats that are required in our current system is just too much. 0.93

01:12:32.660 How much resources are we putting towards administration when we need people changing bedpans? 1.00

01:12:38.660 We need people on the ground. 0.90

01:12:39.980 We need feet inside there.

01:12:41.400 and uh but what why will they touch that because they're unionized they're terrified you don't

01:12:49.460 want to start cutting the staff in there you'll be getting a strike on your hands

01:12:52.740 and uh notley who gets those those union dollars is going to take full advantage of that

01:12:57.420 so i don't know how bad things will be before enough politicians get the courage to take on

01:13:02.540 the system like heather volks said yeah smith is thinking outside the box it's better than just

01:13:06.580 continuing to mess, you know, with the mess of a healthcare system. And yeah, like I said, I'm not

01:13:11.600 big on that savings account, but I am big on the whole concept of saying, well, just try something

01:13:15.420 different. Why not? You know, and she's not going to go out right and say we should start with more

01:13:22.220 privatization. It's not a bad thing, guys. It's not. You know, we've also got to end that

01:13:29.700 polarized discussion, speaking of polarized discussions. It drives me bananas. I've ranted

01:13:34.420 about that on here before, too. As soon as you start talking about healthcare to anybody, it's

01:13:37.600 like, we don't want to Americanize it. Okay, good. Don't then. Well, then what? Well, then what?

01:13:43.800 Let's change it. Let's Europeanize it. There's dozens and dozens and dozens of other systems 1.00

01:13:48.420 out there. And they're almost all doing better than ours. So let's look at them. Let's quit

01:13:53.500 pretending we've got a good system. We don't have it. The numbers don't support that. The

01:13:57.940 stories from people don't support that. It's not a good system. So quit acting as if there's

01:14:04.240 only one other system. Somebody put out a tweet that said it really well. Canada needs more private

01:14:09.740 health care options and the Americans need more public health care options. Yes, because both

01:14:15.160 systems have got very serious problems. So let's quit looking at either of those systems and look

01:14:20.960 at one of the third options. And those third options are all over Europe. The French system,

01:14:26.040 they've got some of the best outcomes in the world, or at least they used to. And it's because

01:14:29.780 they had a public-private mix. And it's still universal. See, there's the word that a lot of

01:14:34.420 people lose their mind over. They don't realize what's going on. Universal. That's the principle

01:14:39.620 everybody wants to hang on to. They want to make sure everybody gets care no matter what. I agree.

01:14:45.920 I don't like the thought that, hey, if I spent too much on a vacation and things and suddenly got sick

01:14:50.040 and got to the hospital and got laid with a $100,000 bill that's going to bankrupt me.

01:14:54.980 No, I don't want that. I want universal care for everybody. But it doesn't mean it has to be all

01:14:59.400 government run. See, the universal coverage, and that coverage doesn't all have to be government

01:15:04.980 coverage, just as long as it's universal. Nobody's being turned away. So, sorry, I'm just going to

01:15:12.800 respond to a comment. You had a guest from Saskatchewan who mentioned they're getting

01:15:16.500 3,000 nurses from the Philippines. Did I recall it correctly? I don't recall. I had Christopher

01:15:21.580 Olcorn on a couple of times. He's our Saskatchewan man out there, and I know a lot of nurses have

01:15:28.140 been coming in from overseas. I don't know about 3,000 necessarily, or from there. We're trying

01:15:31.900 to bring others in. And, you know, in care in a lot of areas, you know, Filipinos have been

01:15:38.620 fantastic, actually, staff and workers out here, care homes, all sorts of spots. These are jobs

01:15:43.340 that, you know, we can't fill right now with anybody else. So they're coming over and doing

01:15:47.540 a good job on it. I say carry on with it. But I mean, getting back to that whole system,

01:15:52.000 whether it's Filipino or whether it's born in Red Deer, we can't afford more people in a broken 1.00

01:15:56.480 consistent. We've got to change the system. But we've got to open that discussion. And that means 1.00

01:16:02.200 politicians have to have the courage to start untying the knot on that box and opening it up

01:16:08.140 and saying, well, what can we do about it? So Smith, at least, has shown some courage there.

01:16:12.220 And, you know, these other candidates, and that's what, people mix that up. It's been fun

01:16:17.080 covering the leadership race and putting my view out. And I'm going to continue to put out my views

01:16:21.500 on it all the way to the end. I was somewhat, it wasn't even that critical. It's just a bunch of

01:16:25.540 ass clowns read it that way. But, you know, I wrote on some of the difficulties that Smith got 0.99

01:16:30.320 herself into because she talks too freely and her cancer stuff got taken out of context and it hurt

01:16:35.740 her campaign. And I caution saying if she keeps just openly musing like she used to in talk radio,

01:16:41.460 chances are she's going to say something else, even if unintentionally, it's going to get her

01:16:44.220 into trouble. And then, so you're Andy Smith, you're nasty, you're this, I'm canceling my

01:16:48.880 membership, blah, blah, blah. And then I write one because I watched the other debate and I felt

01:16:52.920 that Smith dominated the entire debate and did very well.

01:16:55.280 Well, then Smith's campaign puts out an email

01:16:57.440 showing things from the article.

01:16:59.180 He says, oh, you're endorsing a candidate?

01:17:00.660 No, no, no.

01:17:02.840 I wasn't endorsing a candidate, and I'm not.

01:17:05.660 When I see them doing something right, I say it.

01:17:07.540 When I see them doing something I feel is wrong, I'll say it.

01:17:10.300 I'm an opinion person.

01:17:11.620 That's the other thing.

01:17:12.260 You guys are biased.

01:17:13.180 Well, no, no, the Western standard isn't.

01:17:14.740 I am.

01:17:15.740 I'm an opinion guy.

01:17:16.600 It's an opinion show.

01:17:17.480 You don't always have to agree with the opinion.

01:17:19.820 But there's been a lot of confusion on this.

01:17:21.040 And, you know, there's going to be more

01:17:22.160 as people get heated and they get their teams and whatnot in leadership races. And they get upset

01:17:28.300 whenever they hear somebody speaking, I guess, in a favorable manner of a competitor or critically

01:17:33.060 of the one they support. But get used to it, guys, because I'm going to do it all the way

01:17:36.560 through the race. And what I'm saying right now, what I'd say is, in my view, positive critique

01:17:43.460 for the other candidates because they've been playing catch up with Smith. Look, she's been

01:17:46.580 leading the discussion. She's been the one moving this whole thing along because she's putting out

01:17:54.360 ideas and concepts and policies and the others are always playing catch up. And rather than

01:17:58.800 coming up with their own policies, most of the time they're just busy screaming from the sidelines

01:18:02.840 saying why her policy proposals won't work or attack and hurt. Well, you're going to do better

01:18:08.020 with an alternative. Then come up, tell me what you're going to do. I do want to see, I don't care

01:18:13.880 which candidate, whether it's Rajan Sani or, you know, or Taves or any other say, what are you

01:18:20.380 going to do with healthcare besides the status quo? Come up with something, come up with something

01:18:24.680 that'll shake things up, come up with something that'll make a headline, say something different. 0.99

01:18:29.500 The reason you're getting forgotten is because you're asking for it because you're too cowardly

01:18:33.000 to put out innovative platforms or policies that would shake the status quo. So, hey, if she's,

01:18:40.800 she's going to keep eating your lunch guys and gals in that race until you start getting some 0.91

01:18:47.060 courage to put out things that are different. Because if people wanted the status quo, Jason 0.61

01:18:51.520 Kenny would still be premier all the way into the next election, wouldn't he? But they obviously

01:18:56.300 didn't like the direction things are going. So campaigning on more of the same isn't going to

01:19:00.340 work, guys. But we'll see. There's months left and we'll see how the campaign goes and we can

01:19:06.360 talk about. So, I mean, see, here's some of the discussion. This is where it gets mixed up. So

01:19:12.000 Sylvia's saying, oh, what happens to those who can't afford a private hip surgery? They're going 0.96

01:19:15.100 to get a new cane? No, we're going to cut their leg off. Didn't I say universal? You know, so 1.00

01:19:22.720 what have we got now, Sylvia? We've got people waiting a year and a half for that hip surgery,

01:19:28.340 suffering, getting addicted to opioids, because that's what the doctors give them while they wait.

01:19:32.160 why don't we bring in more private care options? Universal. Remember that word, universal.

01:19:38.300 So it means you're not paying out of pocket, even if they can't afford it,

01:19:41.920 but a private company might put the hip in. That's what we're talking about. But when we do

01:19:46.900 that fear mongering, oh, we're just going to give a cane. See, that's shutting down discussion.

01:19:51.880 That's unreasonable. And that's the crap that's leading everybody to this system where you just 0.99

01:19:55.640 keep pouring more money into a broken system. And I don't like that kind of rhetoric. So yeah, 0.98

01:19:59.540 I'm going to call it out when I see it. It's nothing like that. I'm not saying we should

01:20:03.880 have people dying or suffering because they don't have the funds for care. Universal.

01:20:10.800 Sylvia's saying she wasn't talking to me. Okay, well, either way, when I see it in the comments,

01:20:14.060 girl, I take them all as talking to me. But I want that discussion. We can have more options

01:20:20.820 and still universally cover everybody. You know, nobody but a psychopath wants to see somebody

01:20:25.080 dying because they didn't have enough healthcare coverage. The problem we have right now is people

01:20:29.220 are dying waiting for health care coverage. It's kind of like I said with Jonathan earlier. Yeah,

01:20:34.780 it's free. You're dying waiting for that free coverage. There was a terrible case in BC. I

01:20:40.480 wrote on that a couple of years ago. This young kid, he was waiting and waiting and waiting for

01:20:45.620 surgery on his back. It was just crooked. It was a very extreme form of scoliosis or something like

01:20:50.280 that. And it got to the point where it fully crippled him. And doctors agreed if they could

01:20:55.800 have just gotten him in for surgery earlier. They could have treated and fixed this kid,

01:21:01.120 but it was too late. It just took too long waiting to do that. Sylvia is saying universally is

01:21:08.500 totally different than private. No, it's not. It's not at all, Sylvia. It's not at all. Universal

01:21:13.120 means everybody's covered. It doesn't say it has to be covered by the government. It doesn't say

01:21:18.340 it has to be provided by the government. We could have private insurance companies covering it as

01:21:22.640 long as it's universal. We could have private hospitals delivering the services as long as

01:21:26.820 it's universal. It's not different at all. They're not mutually exclusive. And I mean, you know,

01:21:33.720 one thing that I think we should all be agreeing on, you know, Pat Andrzejak saying waiting times

01:21:38.180 are way too long. That's the problem that's been plaguing our system for years. Whether it was

01:21:42.040 not Lee in with the NDP, whether it was the Liberals in Ontario who were in power, it doesn't

01:21:46.700 matter because it's the system, it's broken. And it's far from universal in a lot of other ways.

01:21:51.220 You know, I mean, Jane and I went down last January to get some dental work done in Mexico.

01:21:57.300 Drove down.

01:21:58.820 And yeah, you know, Algodones, Mexico, just south of Yuma.

01:22:01.860 You can walk across that border.

01:22:02.960 They got like 600 dentists in this tiny little town.

01:22:05.080 If you look it up, they call it Moeller City.

01:22:07.260 That's all they specialize in is dental work.

01:22:09.300 Professional, high-tech, well-trained dentists south of the border.

01:22:13.400 Not everybody can afford that dental care.

01:22:15.280 No, that's true.

01:22:15.780 It's still cheaper, way cheaper than Canadian care, though.

01:22:17.900 so uh you know when you get private plans in a lot of other countries and everything else they

01:22:23.460 cover everything else they cover your pharmaceuticals and uh some dental care or optical or a lot of

01:22:27.900 those other things our system no no you get that bare minimum bottom thing and you aren't allowed

01:22:34.100 the other options to get them realistically here and a lot of it's the politics of envy

01:22:39.220 and that's what gets to me i don't mind if say we bring in i'm just going to throw out an example

01:22:46.220 We allow this private orthopedic surgical clinic to open up, where they'll do knee and hip replacements.

01:22:52.540 A few specialized surgeons.

01:22:54.360 It's a freestanding thing.

01:22:55.460 It's not even at a hospital.

01:22:56.600 It has all this stuff there.

01:22:58.040 Private, for profit.

01:22:59.180 That's the word they all get upset about.

01:23:00.300 But yes, for profit.

01:23:01.900 You regulate it.

01:23:02.940 You say, you have that clinic.

01:23:04.980 You're allowed to do it.

01:23:05.660 You know, you're in the health system.

01:23:07.920 70% of your procedures have to be done within the public system, you know, under the universal.

01:23:11.820 But for the other 30% of the time, you can find whatever patients you want and charge whatever you want.

01:23:18.720 If they want to pay to go in and get it done and jump the line or whatever, go for it.

01:23:25.680 I'm fine with that.

01:23:26.820 And some people get upset.

01:23:27.560 Well, that guy with more money got there ahead of me.

01:23:29.180 So he also paid for you to get in faster.

01:23:32.600 So you would rather you equally waited for eight months rather than say this guy gets in two weeks and you got in in four months.

01:23:38.780 You cut your weight in half.

01:23:40.500 Set aside the envy. 0.89

01:23:41.420 Let's look at other models. 0.92

01:23:42.660 Cheryl Dawn pointing out, yeah, the River Cree reservation is building a surgical unit.

01:23:46.180 And I think that's awesome.

01:23:47.140 I think the reserves might be the ones that actually crack the medical status quo because

01:23:51.860 there's one other area.

01:23:52.860 There's one thing that scares governments even more than unions, and that's First Nations

01:23:58.300 reserves and businesses.

01:23:59.540 So are they really going to march in and shut down a private surgical or clinical facility

01:24:04.480 on a First Nations reserve?

01:24:06.060 Not in a million years. 1.00

01:24:07.380 Keep it up.

01:24:07.840 I hope we have one on the Sutina soon.

01:24:09.220 I hope we get one in the Thunderchild Reserve in Saskatchewan soon.

01:24:12.500 I hope we see these things all over the place.

01:24:14.180 Let's get one in the Blueberry Reserve up in BC.

01:24:16.700 Let's do this.

01:24:18.380 There's discussions to be had.

01:24:19.820 The status quo isn't cutting it.

01:24:22.820 And that's the main thing.

01:24:24.260 And we've got to stop shutting down this debate or trying to say that it's black or white

01:24:28.180 because it's pretty broad.

01:24:30.760 And there's a lot of interesting solutions, but a lot of the candidates are scared to

01:24:33.940 put out real solutions.

01:24:35.520 All right, I've read it enough for a week.

01:24:37.000 It's been a long one, even if it's been four days.

01:24:39.220 Um, and, um, let's see here. Let's talk about what's coming up. Well, we got a debate next

01:24:44.740 week and that is for, and I know some people get upset. We've discussed it before, but

01:24:48.160 it has been the ones determined. And there's a recent poll that sort of confirms that the three

01:24:52.720 front runners, uh, in the UCP leadership are going to be there, Brian Jean, Daniel Smith,

01:24:56.900 and, uh, Travis Taves. And it's going to be at the rooftop in Calgary. If you look on the

01:25:01.380 Western Standard site, you can see that you can buy tickets. And, uh, again, it's one of those

01:25:05.180 more intimate environments. Yeah, the tickets aren't that much and you can get a much closer

01:25:10.040 experience with the debaters and so on on a Tuesday afternoon, early evening in Calgary.

01:25:16.720 So check that out on the Western Standard site and, you know, we'll be there and everything. You

01:25:20.300 can meet the candidates or meet some of the Western Standard people. You can holler at me 1.00

01:25:24.980 for some of my views in person rather than on the comment scroll. On Monday, I'm going to have,

01:25:29.420 and actually it's going to be on healthcare reform. His name is Bacchus Barua. He's from

01:25:33.080 of the Fraser Institute. He's written some pieces and stuff on that, and there'll likely be another

01:25:38.020 guest as well. There'll be news and another rant. So thank you all for tuning in through the week

01:25:42.920 and today, guys, and listening to Mike Archie Ranting, and I'll see you all again on Monday

01:25:47.500 at 11 p.m. sharp.

01:26:03.080 Thank you.

01:26:33.080 Thank you.

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