Western Standard - Triggered： Welcome Back To The Abortion Debate

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00:00:30.000 Good morning. It's May 5th, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. Hey, happy Cinco de Mayo to all

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00:00:53.360 way, Cinco de Mayo, for those who aren't familiar with it, it's a yearly celebration on May

00:00:57.420 25th, which is the literal translation from Spanish. And it commemorates the anniversary

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00:01:33.740 That's the hardest part. Seis de Mayo is much harder than Cinco when reality comes in. So this

00:01:41.740 afternoon, also just I should announce and remind, we're going to have a live special at about 3.30.

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00:03:13.840 first. Okay, today I got a guest's Maverick Party leadership candidate, Tarek El Naga is just going

00:03:19.540 to check in. They've got a kind of a debate forum coming this weekend, actually, that I'll be

00:03:24.560 moderating west of Calgary. So we'll talk quickly about that and where that race is going. It's

00:03:29.060 kind of the forgotten party in the west, but they're still at it out there. Melissa M. Barkey

00:03:33.240 of the McDonnell-Laurier Institute is going to come on. She's great. You know, we've had her on

00:03:36.600 before. People familiar with her on social media know that she works in the energy sector, but 0.99

00:03:42.460 she's also a very proud and involved First Nations citizen and person and speaks very outspoken on

00:03:48.600 those issues. I want to talk to her about energy development and First Nations. You can see her

00:03:52.660 frustration because people are always trying to put words in the mouths of First Nations citizens

00:03:56.280 and what their thoughts are on those things. So it'll be a good chat with Melissa today.

00:04:00.920 Now, with what's got me going, yeah, you know, here we are again, right? Welcome back to the

00:04:05.700 great abortion debate. I'm sure most of you are as thrilled with this development as I am.

00:04:11.220 As I said on Twitter, I'd rather teabag a wasp's nest and go back to that divisive, ugly, and

00:04:16.340 irresolvable debate. It's never going away. Nobody's ever going to be satisfied with it.

00:04:21.100 Yet here we are. It doesn't matter what I want. The debate has landed in our laps, and ignoring

00:04:26.920 it isn't going to make it go away. Now, there are some people thrilled with this debate coming here,

00:04:31.180 though, and that's Canada's left. The left in Canada is utterly thrilled with the development

00:04:36.040 in the USA where it appears that the Supreme Court might toss out the Roe v. Wade decision.

00:04:41.180 Legislatively, the American decision doesn't directly mean a damn thing to us. In public

00:04:45.680 discourse, though, it's shifted the nation into waters where the left thrives on division and

00:04:50.620 virtue signaling. Trudeau, of course, immediately jumped into the mix and declared his staunch

00:04:55.960 support for women's abortion rights in a tweet. The tweet was bait. It was modeled to bring out

00:05:01.060 pro-life cpc members and the cpc leadership recognized that quickly issued a missive calling

00:05:06.100 for their mps to remain silent on the issue okay but the problem then was that had the left thrilled

00:05:11.540 is they can then accuse the conservatives of having a hidden agenda and the pro-life members

00:05:15.860 of the party who do make up a significant portion of the membership well then they feel ignored and

00:05:20.580 furious as their prime issue isn't even discussed so mistrust among the conservative party has been

00:05:26.100 planted among Canadians and internal division has been fostered among the party loyal. What a gift

00:05:31.740 for the Liberals. In Alberta, we're seeing Rachel Notley doing the same thing as she demands strong 0.99

00:05:36.220 commitments from Jason Kenney and his entire caucus that they're going to protect the right 0.99

00:05:39.920 of abortion for women. While Kenney won't pretend not to be pro-life, he's never shown any intention

00:05:44.900 or plans to make any changes to abortion access in Alberta. I mean, it really wasn't on the table.

00:05:51.200 But it doesn't matter. Kenney and his party will never be able to deny an intention to change

00:05:55.380 things strongly enough for the satisfaction of the NDP, and they're going to continue to sow

00:05:59.520 distrust among Albertans. Trudeau's government is now hinting they're going to bring in abortion

00:06:04.500 legislation into Canada. Because, you know, currently, we don't have any at all. And for

00:06:08.540 most Canadians, we've just been fine with that. I mean, people have strong feelings about it,

00:06:11.540 but they just, well, that's where it's sitting, and they leave it where it is, and it's resolved.

00:06:15.660 Trudeau won't bring in legislation to really regulate or control abortion in any way. If he

00:06:19.440 brings in anything at all, it's going to be a bill stridently affirming the right of unrestricted

00:06:24.200 abortion for Canadians. In other words, just what we already have. So why table a bill that changes

00:06:29.700 nothing and that nobody asked for? Well, this bill is going to open a trap for conservatives

00:06:35.020 even more dangerous than Trudeau's tweet trying to bait a response out from those members.

00:06:40.240 A bill enshrining abortion rights will bring the issue into the spotlight in Canada for months,

00:06:44.160 maybe years. Conservatives who personally are pro-life will be forced to address this bill.

00:06:49.480 They're either going to have to vote for it in the House of Commons or against it, you know, or abstain.

00:06:56.540 If they abstain, they're going to be accused of a hidden agenda.

00:06:59.260 If they vote against it, they're going to be accused of trying to ban abortion.

00:07:02.940 There's no winning here.

00:07:04.320 So, yes, this whole issue is a gift for the progressives.

00:07:08.180 And we're assuredly going to see similar actions in every legislature in Canada coming from left-leaning parties.

00:07:13.220 The NDP in Saskatchewan is jumping all over this, too, of course.

00:07:15.660 And I imagine that the subject is going to come up constantly during the Ontario provincial election.

00:07:20.320 If this wedge issue is effective enough,

00:07:22.740 we can look forward to an early election

00:07:24.140 with a focus on it.

00:07:25.880 I don't think for a second that Trudeau won't pull the pin

00:07:28.160 if support numbers indicate he could win

00:07:30.180 a majority government.

00:07:31.080 His commitment to Jagmeet Singh's NDP

00:07:33.100 to stay in power until 2025 will mean nothing.

00:07:36.560 If he thinks he can get that majority,

00:07:38.120 hey, the deal's off.

00:07:39.620 I've been hearing many voices on social media

00:07:41.980 saying we should just ignore the American court ruling,

00:07:44.560 saying we should bury our heads in the sand

00:07:46.000 and the issue would just blow over.

00:07:47.680 I'm sorry, but they're wrong.

00:07:48.860 I wish they were right, but they aren't.

00:07:51.480 I don't know how we can prevent progressive parties in Canada from riding this issue into majority governments,

00:07:56.160 but I do know that if we ignore it, they will get away with it.

00:08:01.200 So, I mean, on a sad note, I've got to say today anyways, 0.69

00:08:04.620 welcome back to the abortion debate, whether you like it or not. 0.75

00:08:08.860 Might as well pay attention to it and see how we can deal with it.

00:08:12.220 Okay, let's get on to some other issues outside of that.

00:08:14.300 There's still a lot of news breaking all over that we don't hear enough about,

00:08:17.160 And we'll bring in our news editor, Dave Naylor, to bring us up to date on stuff.

00:08:21.700 Hey, Dave, how's it going over there?

00:08:23.280 Oh, I'm having a morning, Corey.

00:08:24.740 I'm having a morning.

00:08:26.180 Yeah, I gathered that earlier.

00:08:28.200 Yeah, my chickadee friend, who I've named Satan, started at 538 this morning. 0.59

00:08:34.040 So I was up bright and early with that, plotting all sorts of ways to kill him, basically, and try and get some sleep again. 0.79

00:08:42.020 And then I leave for work, and it's an hour and a half to get to work because some idiot with the city of Calgary has figured it's okay to shut down three, not one, not two, but three separate roadways into the downtown so people can film. 0.55

00:08:57.140 It's probably that HBO series that's been around here. 0.61

00:09:00.160 But it was traffic gridlock, traffic chaos this morning.

00:09:03.820 Not a single staff member was able to get to work on time. 0.66

00:09:06.860 It's just utterly ridiculous.

00:09:08.280 I mean, what are they thinking, Corey? 0.84

00:09:10.000 yeah i know and i mean that left me having to chair the staff meeting which you know didn't

00:09:15.740 go well at all we didn't accomplish a heck of a lot but uh yeah it was just foolishness i mean

00:09:19.940 you know these productions bring millions into the city and into the province and they're great

00:09:23.760 and they employ a lot of people but i mean here's a little common sense there's lots of times when

00:09:27.080 the sun is out that aren't in the midst of rush hour i don't know what they were thinking of at

00:09:32.200 that time no it's uh it's utterly mind-boggling and hey uh we've got a brand new website uh up

00:09:38.760 this morning. It looks very, very pretty. Unfortunately, the technical wizardry that's

00:09:45.700 going on behind the scenes to get it up and running has meant that we really can't publish

00:09:50.940 the usual cornucopia of copy that we have up by this time every day. So we've only got

00:09:58.160 a couple of things to talk about this morning, Corey, one of them being our glorious Prime

00:10:03.060 minister apparently dropped a net bomb in the commons yesterday during a debate so that's got

00:10:09.600 everybody all in it is was and and the news story that goes along with the the abortion issue that

00:10:16.840 you were talking about Corey with the liberals threatening in to bring in more or to bring in

00:10:23.240 a abortion law if they need to quote unquote so as you say that issue is going to be with us

00:10:29.300 from here to eternity.

00:10:31.440 So might as well get used to it.

00:10:33.140 So that's it for now.

00:10:34.700 We've got a whole bunch of stories ready to go

00:10:36.440 as soon as the technical wizards give us a go ahead

00:10:39.700 and they'll be up hopefully very shortly.

00:10:43.160 All right.

00:10:43.840 Well, thanks for the check-in.

00:10:45.260 And again, just that reminder to people too

00:10:47.020 that it looks like Dave and I are going to be

00:10:48.400 introducing that debate this afternoon

00:10:50.900 and talking about it after as well.

00:10:53.020 Something else to put on your plate today.

00:10:55.560 Well, do you think I can maybe grab a quick nap

00:10:57.700 before then?

00:10:59.300 Try sneaking under the desk.

00:11:00.540 I wish you the best.

00:11:02.120 All right, Corey.

00:11:02.980 Thanks.

00:11:03.760 Hey, thanks, Dave.

00:11:04.760 So that was our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:11:07.540 And yes, you know, I didn't mention that at the start of this.

00:11:10.620 Some people might have seen some disruption.

00:11:12.120 I believe we sent out an email to members, but we've migrated to like a whole new, you

00:11:18.220 know, this is out of my, this is techie stuff, but a whole new website in a sense.

00:11:21.920 You know, we were a WordPress based thing and we've moved on to a different sort of

00:11:26.260 software and servers and the works. And there's been a bit of transition, of course. We've been

00:11:31.520 prepping for it for a week, but still how we get the stories in, how we format them, all that good

00:11:36.480 stuff. And we got now well over a dozen regular contributors and columnists all over the place

00:11:43.180 in dozens when you measure them in, all having to learn this at the same time. Of course, it's got

00:11:49.040 James pulling his hair out there trying to get everybody up to date on these things and the rest

00:11:54.660 of us getting it going, but it's a big improvement. It really is. The site's much deeper now and more

00:11:59.980 diverse. As I said, we've outgrew, you know, WordPress is a good basic platform to run things

00:12:06.120 on, but it has a lot of limitations and we outgrew it. So watch for a bit of the hiccups. Some of the

00:12:12.000 stuff might come on a little more slowly in the next couple of days, perhaps even. Who knows?

00:12:16.460 It's gone fairly good so far. I mean, when 11 o'clock hit today, we thought, oh, we'll see what

00:12:20.100 happens. Is the world going to blow up? But it was much like the Y2K thing. You know, we were worried

00:12:24.420 about a heck of a lot and things seem to have gone okay. It's just a heck of a lot of little

00:12:29.600 details we'll have to struggle with and mess around with to get it going. But it's a good

00:12:34.600 development in general there. So let's see what else we've got. Maybe I will start with that.

00:12:40.740 I might as well talk about that with the Trudeau thing. So it was in the House of Commons, a heated

00:12:47.660 debate, as many of them are these days, of course. And it sounds like Justin Trudeau blasted out

00:12:55.180 after the mic had turned off, after a statement, an F-bomb. So he's been questioned on that. And

00:13:02.820 we got a little video clip of his response. And then I'll talk a little further if we run the

00:13:06.060 clip there. Okay, we won't run the clip. Either way, yes, so Justin Trudeau came out with an F-bomb.

00:13:19.280 There's been some speculation on social media. I've heard people talking about, oh, it was a

00:13:22.560 six-letter word that he used, not the four-letter word, and I think, you know, maybe he'll clarify

00:13:28.380 some stuff, too. Some people are saying, oh, he said something with a six-letter word that was

00:13:32.000 derogatory to the LGBTQ community. There's that F word there that, uh, nobody is terribly fond of.

00:13:38.420 And no, I don't, from all I can gather, that's not what he said. It was the one where somebody's 0.98

00:13:42.880 talking about fornicating another person's mother. Uh, if we get the video rolling, I can get that 0.99

00:13:47.240 response. No, we can't get the video rolling. Okay. Either way, uh, Justin came out with, uh,

00:13:52.220 he was questioned on it in a hallway and, uh, by reporters. And, uh, uh, so Cheryl saying a six

00:14:00.820 letter F-bomb followed by a three-letter word. What I'd heard was two six-letter words together.

00:14:04.880 I don't know. There's no recording of it, and it's not in hand, sir. But a number of

00:14:08.860 people definitely heard it firsthand. It sounds like he

00:14:12.920 said Mother F-er. Either way, it's

00:14:16.600 definitely unparliamentary behavior. And his response

00:14:20.760 to it when questioned, I think we might have that video on deck.

00:14:25.000 What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say you move your

00:14:28.780 lips in a particular way? Okay, all right. Yeah. What the hell was that? So that was his response

00:14:36.780 to that. He was trying to be witty. You know, when you're witty and you don't have the tools

00:14:40.740 to be witty, don't try. So I think he had something in his mind that he thought he was

00:14:50.360 going to respond that was going to be smart. But again, you know, things jumble around and we got

00:14:54.260 the usual incomprehensible word salad from Justin Trudeau on that. Now, it's funny, because this

00:15:00.140 has been coming up all week. This is the third time in the last couple of months that we've seen

00:15:06.580 this. We saw it in the Alberta legislature with the government house leader, it sounds like,

00:15:09.840 dropped an F-bomb. Horgan in BC dropped an F-bomb. So the swears are coming out in these

00:15:14.480 legislatures and at these question periods, and people get upset about it. Look, I don't really

00:15:21.100 care. I don't want to see our legislators blasting back and forth with expletives at each other

00:15:26.840 across the floor during every question period. It does look unprofessional. It doesn't sound good.

00:15:31.840 But I've also sat one-on-one with enough politicians over the years to know that

00:15:35.680 their mouths aren't much better than most truckers when they're actually casually speaking off the

00:15:39.820 record, as are many other people. It's not a classy way to go. It's not a good thing.

00:15:43.860 But that doesn't, so it doesn't concern me so much that Trudeau got worked up and it slipped

00:15:47.320 out with an F-bomb. What gets me is that he's an idiot. That's the problem. That's the issue. 1.00

00:15:53.420 I mean, this is the man in the most senior position of the country. And when asked about it,

00:15:59.600 he tossed out that weird, incomprehensible little statement and took off. I mean,

00:16:05.740 it shows the arrogance of him and the foolishness of him. That worries me. That worries me far more 0.98

00:16:12.560 than any expletive or obscenity

00:16:14.800 that could come out of that guy's head.

00:16:16.880 It's the explanation for it

00:16:18.920 that disturbs me a great deal more.

00:16:22.020 And yeah, there was that classic statement

00:16:24.340 where Trudeau Sr., you know, Pierre,

00:16:28.120 had used an F-bomb,

00:16:29.560 and he claimed that he'd said fuddle-duddle

00:16:31.580 and people had misread.

00:16:34.060 And of course, he was just being, you know,

00:16:35.780 smug about it.

00:16:36.820 But the thing is with, you got to give it to Pierre.

00:16:39.520 Pierre was smart.

00:16:40.980 You know, he turned it around.

00:16:42.480 played it and shrugged it off. It still displayed arrogance, but that's what he did. The problem

00:16:47.840 with Justin is he doesn't have his daddy's smarts. So he tried to come up with something

00:16:53.240 witty to turn it around. And again, as usual, looked like a buffoon, which constantly embarrasses 0.98

00:16:59.200 this bloody country. It really does. So either way, that's kind of an issue of the day. Not a 0.99

00:17:04.440 huge one, not a big one, but I do think it does demonstrate a larger issue again of the incompetence

00:17:10.200 of the guy we have in the prime minister's chair.

00:17:13.540 But what does it take to get rid of the guy?

00:17:15.560 I honestly don't know.

00:17:17.000 That's why I'm dejected today, you know,

00:17:19.880 and that's why I started that rant

00:17:20.780 about getting into the abortion issue.

00:17:22.140 I didn't want to talk about it.

00:17:22.960 God, I can see from the political strategy point of view,

00:17:27.020 this could be the way that he gets in

00:17:28.700 with a majority for four more years

00:17:30.420 or who knows how long.

00:17:31.520 I mean, as much as we see him 1.00

00:17:32.860 as the clown shoe wearing moron 1.00

00:17:35.300 that he is out here in the West, 1.00

00:17:36.980 they love him in Toronto.

00:17:37.920 They love him in Vancouver.

00:17:39.400 they love him in Montreal and that's all the love he needs to keep getting in there and being the

00:17:44.280 prime minister and now with this wedge issue because we've started to see Pierre Polyev gaining

00:17:49.220 steam with the leadership and the party has been climbing in the polls but if they can somehow turn

00:17:54.460 this into a whole you know debate over abortion I tell you what the conservatives will lose they

00:18:01.600 lose every time on that one they're on the defensive and they're in trouble so this was a

00:18:05.700 gift. And, uh, you know, Trudeau might be a twit, but he does have some advisors around him with 0.98

00:18:10.940 some brains and they are going to use this, you know? So I just, I'm just mortified with it. 0.98

00:18:17.760 So he's playing his games with those things. Uh, so, I mean, I'll get into some things before we

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00:19:59.060 Yeah, you know, Rhodes Zep saying human sexuality should not be regulated.

00:20:04.560 These are protections for individual rights and freedoms over one's body.

00:20:07.680 If it's not harmful, how can the government be the keeper of human sexuality and reproduction?

00:20:11.120 Basically, it's personal.

00:20:14.800 And we don't have any legislation on abortion right now.

00:20:20.240 There's so many strong views.

00:20:21.600 I'm not going to go so much into where I land on it and so on.

00:20:24.140 I'm a libertarian. The less government we have in, the better. The main thing is allowing

00:20:30.480 individual choice. Some of the hypocrisy that's been interesting in all of this, of course, too,

00:20:33.640 though, is suddenly the sanctity of one's body is paramount again, as it should be.

00:20:39.600 But the same people screaming that from the rooftops right now are also the ones that had

00:20:43.540 no problem with coerced vaccination. They took no issue with people losing their jobs because

00:20:49.460 they didn't want to get vaccinated, or not being able to travel or visit family because

00:20:54.640 they've been vaccinated, you know, not even getting into hospitals because they haven't

00:20:57.700 been vaccinated, not crossing the border because they haven't been vaccinated.

00:21:01.240 Their rights to the sanctity of their body didn't matter.

00:21:04.980 But now, suddenly the body is sacred again.

00:21:08.220 Guys, you can't have it both ways.

00:21:10.920 You can't.

00:21:12.100 I'm pro-choice on all fronts.

00:21:13.780 You know, I support vaccination.

00:21:15.660 I got vaccinated.

00:21:16.460 I think it's a good idea.

00:21:17.700 But I absolutely support everybody's right to choose.

00:21:21.660 You can't be coerced.

00:21:22.580 You can't have your arm twisted.

00:21:23.580 You can't be forced.

00:21:25.740 So likewise with the abortion issue.

00:21:27.420 But now we're into that.

00:21:30.040 So as for that question, like I said, when I was talking in the rant,

00:21:33.660 legislation is coming, it sounds like.

00:21:35.820 And it's not like he's going to change anything.

00:21:37.480 It's not like he's going to do anything.

00:21:38.460 It's going to be just a big trap.

00:21:39.960 It's going to be a motion.

00:21:40.860 It's just going to say that we want to entrench the fact that we don't do anything.

00:21:46.260 And it will be effective.

00:21:48.720 I hate to say it, but it's going to be very effective.

00:21:52.380 Here's some areas, too, where left is becoming right, or I don't know.

00:21:55.300 I mean, they're starting to value individual rights.

00:21:57.160 So the AGM of the Saskatchewan Union of Nurses, they voted to remove all mandatory vaccination

00:22:03.300 language from their position statement, and they're not going to require their union members

00:22:07.920 to be vaccinated any longer.

00:22:09.960 Now, that is from the union.

00:22:12.840 now what the Saskatchewan Health Authority does, I don't know. So a member of the Saskatchewan

00:22:19.440 Nurses Union spoke with the standard out there on the condition of anonymity, though, because again,

00:22:23.920 they fear reprisals from their employers. But according to that member at their ADM that they

00:22:29.500 held, the members voted to say, that's it, let's change the union position, removing the word

00:22:33.360 mandatory, and changing it to encouraged. That's a big difference, guys. And that's back from, again,

00:22:38.720 the unions are finally realizing what they were supposed to do, and that's to stand up for the

00:22:42.700 the rights of their members to have a choice and maintain their employment and

00:22:47.060 hold their jobs. I'm still not a big fan of unions, but at least some common sense has

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00:24:36.320 So let's bring Tarek in there and check in.

00:24:38.880 It's been a while.

00:24:39.520 We've had him on the show before.

00:24:41.300 Hey, how's it going out there?

00:24:42.660 Good, sir.

00:24:43.180 How are you doing?

00:24:44.140 Very good.

00:24:44.700 I like the hat.

00:24:45.780 Adios, Ottawa.

00:24:46.700 Is that for a Cinco de Mayo sort of play on things?

00:24:50.320 Well, no.

00:24:51.360 Well, more so a campaign slogan.

00:24:53.180 And we were looking for something that was easy, simple, was inspired by one of my Twitter followers, Kelly.

00:24:58.820 And she's just like, I'm sick of this.

00:25:01.500 And I'm like, you know what?

00:25:02.540 This is perfect.

00:25:03.300 We're going to peace out, Ottawa.

00:25:04.720 And this works.

00:25:05.660 So, yeah, it's been my campaign merch.

00:25:07.980 And we've had to put in three orders.

00:25:10.240 We've sold a pile of them.

00:25:11.820 So I'm loving it.

00:25:13.480 Oh, great.

00:25:13.900 And it just does work all the better today, I guess.

00:25:16.220 It's not like the Cinco de Mayo.

00:25:17.560 I'll take it.

00:25:18.180 Yeah, you betcha.

00:25:18.780 It happens to be so.

00:25:20.120 So I'm glad to check in.

00:25:21.580 you know, and I've spoken, so just to bring everybody back up to date, and it's hard to,

00:25:25.800 so many issues going on. You're with the Maverick Party. The Maverick Party is holding a leadership

00:25:29.720 race right now. Jay Hill has been the interim leader for quite some time. You're getting near

00:25:34.060 the end of that race, and it's yourself and Colin Krieger running in it. What are the timelines on

00:25:39.460 it? Correct. So there's nine days left. So membership cutoff is passed now. So if you're

00:25:45.620 already a member of the maverick party it's done and on may the 13th our members will be getting

00:25:52.580 electronic and or mail-in depending on what they've opted for but the vast majority have opted

00:25:58.360 for electronic voting and on the 14th the vote will be made and in the evening of the 14th we

00:26:04.400 will have an announcement uh at the big rock brewery where uh we'll get the new leader of

00:26:09.560 the Maverick Party. Great. So where do we go with things? I mean, I'll go into some of this to the

00:26:17.060 general questions. I mean, with the ones you're reaching out to as a leadership candidate, of

00:26:20.700 course, the ones who already have memberships, the cutoffs passed, but you're still developing

00:26:23.540 and pushing for the party. You guys, you know, you've got a tough road to hoe. I mean, it's the 0.84

00:26:29.600 federal front. The federal conservative race is kind of stealing your oxygen a little bit right

00:26:34.740 now. What can you say to the viewers and such as to why they should get involved with the Maverick

00:26:38.820 party in general and what the Maverick can offer them? You know, the federal, I'm not too fussed

00:26:43.540 with the federal conservative leadership race. And the reason being is I've yet to see any one

00:26:48.800 of the candidates put out a Western specific platform. So it's very easy for us to hold

00:26:55.280 whoever becomes the leader of the federal conservatives accountable as to what are you

00:27:00.320 going to do about the West? Not one of them has talked about scrapping equalization or equalization

00:27:06.460 reform um not one of them has talked about you know what are specific issues to western canada

00:27:11.900 and they'll go after a little hanging fruit like oh we'll drop the carbon tax but that's about it

00:27:16.540 and then the other thing as well is i'm not worried about them running as candidates today

00:27:20.380 it's what happens when they do become leader and they have to run for a toronto vote and then start

00:27:25.260 moving the party again to appease toronto rather than western canada so i think i think they'll i

00:27:31.100 i think they'll make our jobs easy i think again they are focused on forming government they are

00:27:36.140 focused on winning a vote in montreal and toronto we you and i have seen for the past seven years

00:27:42.700 that the voter of toronto and montreal will actively vote against the interests of western

00:27:47.180 canada so that's what they're going to have to go up against uh you know that's the beauty of

00:27:52.140 the maverick party we only have voters to look after in western canada and don't have to switch

00:27:59.580 out the party platform to appease a voter anywhere east of manitoba yeah well and that's a very good

00:28:06.300 point to make and uh jay hell's been adamant about it and and i believe yourself in the past like

00:28:11.420 that's one of the hard and fast rules i mean there's some questions on what's going to be

00:28:15.020 defined as the independence or standing up for the west or things but the one thing that's solid

00:28:19.020 is this party is not going to move past uh east of manitoba absolutely and again i've used this

00:28:25.180 example before and i think we talked about it cory on your show is i i take inspiration sadly

00:28:31.260 from yfrancois manchette um saying you know i i watched him at the federal debates and he says

00:28:36.740 i'm never going to be prime minister i don't care about being prime minister i don't care

00:28:40.580 about forming government but what quebec wants quebec gets um and i'm thinking where is that

00:28:45.160 person for the west you know so that's why i'm running i'm running to be that person for the west

00:28:49.840 it says well you want you want these 50 seats of maverick to support your government and i've been

00:28:56.080 very clear about this we'll support a cpc government before we before we support a liberal

00:29:00.960 government any day of the week um but again you and i know this governments are formed out of

00:29:05.920 toronto once you win toronto you become prime minister and hoping that toronto votes for the

00:29:11.920 interests of of the west is not a political strategy it's not one i'm banking on yeah well

00:29:18.080 Well, and it's something I've kind of always said, it's frustrating and it gets to us,

00:29:21.900 but when a federal party caters to Central Canada, don't take it personally, it's just math.

00:29:26.520 You can't win this country without catering to Central Canada.

00:29:31.560 That's just the way it goes, and that's what a person has to face.

00:29:34.600 So they either have to accept that you're always going to be beholden to Central Canada,

00:29:39.080 or you have to look for another alternative.

00:29:41.000 Not just that.

00:29:41.920 You can win, you take that statement and add to it,

00:29:44.620 you can win the country without a single vote in Western Canada.

00:29:48.700 So you do not need, I mean, we've shown the last elections,

00:29:51.960 Alberta and Saskatchewan, all but a couple of seats, all blue,

00:29:55.660 17 ridings in BC, blue.

00:29:58.700 But you could easily win and form government

00:30:02.620 without a single vote in Western Canada.

00:30:04.440 So why care, right?

00:30:05.640 Like that's the sad part is you really, it really doesn't matter.

00:30:09.360 Yeah, well, it cuts both ways.

00:30:11.380 And this is something that led to the frustration

00:30:13.220 with the reform party, you know, going way back, but that, uh, and there's a lot of good

00:30:18.040 conservative members of parliament and organizers and so on. They can be prone to taking Western

00:30:23.320 seats for granted as well. It's not healthy for your democracy. If you've got a writing that

00:30:27.560 consistently votes 80% in support for your party, uh, then they can ignore you because they pretty

00:30:32.740 much know they've got it in the bag and that doesn't do any favor. So, I mean, they need a

00:30:36.340 little competition, somebody coming up their flank to, to keep them honest. Exactly. You know,

00:30:42.080 there's a big difference, Corey, between vote gathering and vote earning. And we have no vote

00:30:46.340 earning in the West. You're absolutely right. If you're wearing a blue t-shirt and you're running

00:30:52.900 in a rural riding in Alberta or Saskatchewan, you know you're getting in. But what have you

00:30:57.420 offered in terms of value? What have you offered in terms of Western autonomy or Western issues

00:31:02.620 or so on? And we've seen that in the Andrew Scheer caucus. We've seen that in the Aaron O'Toole

00:31:07.860 caucus as erin o'toole started making concessions to um quebec over and over again and saying you

00:31:14.180 know the the canada needs a prime minister from the gta and kind of okay all of you 50 conservative

00:31:21.980 mps from the west just be quiet sit this one out stay in your homes and you're going to win this

00:31:27.100 anyways so do nothing um and don't go against my message and i remember him saying you know

00:31:31.520 if you don't like the carbon plan that i've put out you're out of my caucus so they all stayed

00:31:35.860 silent so that's the problem is they'll always be beholden and i'll look at the leadership race

00:31:40.420 right now corey you have five candidates running in ontario uh ridings um and one in quebec uh so

00:31:50.020 where's the western representation from a leadership standpoint and the one western

00:31:54.180 candidate was in they disqualified despite him meeting the entry requirements uh and they kind

00:32:00.260 of buried that one so where where are we with the conservatives again it's the hush hush don't worry

00:32:06.500 about the west we'll get their votes anyway we don't need to earn them and that's my challenge

00:32:11.540 yeah well and you've got a challenge as well of just general organization and getting a small

00:32:15.540 party a new party going whether it's yourself or mr krieger uh you got a lot of work to do i mean

00:32:20.820 but there is support i i see denise martin one of our commenters saying we need you in bc too and

00:32:25.060 you guys do exist in bc but you've got a presence to build out there you kind of got your work cut

00:32:29.460 out to spread out i mean you're still a bit alberta centric well no i would say we're really

00:32:34.740 strong in alberta and saskatchewan uh we've got very strong province in both manitoba just formed

00:32:41.780 all 14 electoral writing districts have just formed associations which is a pretty big and

00:32:47.700 then we've got really strong presence whether candidates or writings in northeastern bc to

00:32:52.740 start with um so i'd say but but you're absolutely right as an as a startup party one of the things

00:32:59.220 that i'm proposing in my leadership platform that we need to leverage and any party in western

00:33:04.260 canada doesn't do it and doesn't do it well is electronic messaging we're still relying on ultra

00:33:09.860 traditional campaigning techniques of door knocking and town halls where five people show up in a drab

00:33:16.740 neon lit room that's not going to win the west we need a strong assertive message strong advertising

00:33:24.260 and a strong, I mean, the biggest channel we could do right now is electronic and get in people's

00:33:29.680 hands. And that's the future of the Maverick Party for me and the future of campaigning for us is

00:33:34.760 really, really strong electronic campaigning so that if I do my job right in a year's time,

00:33:39.980 whether you support us or not, everybody knows about the Maverick Party because right now they

00:33:44.240 don't. The commenter, Jennifer Schofield, I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. I was pointing

00:33:50.300 out yes i understand like everybody thinks of lower mainland bc and the way they vote and forgets

00:33:54.540 that most of the rest of the bc isn't that way but she also pointed out something interesting

00:33:58.220 and there's some ground that that federal parties haven't really dipped into because there isn't

00:34:01.580 many seats there is uh you know saying that they're closer to the yukon or uh even the northwest

00:34:06.620 territories i mean these are massive resource laden areas that have some some serious issues

00:34:12.460 again with development and a lot of potential but we really don't hear much about them in the

00:34:17.500 federal front at all sadly again you see the thing is you don't even need provinces to form

00:34:23.340 governance you need cities if you win montreal toronto and vancouver it's done your prime

00:34:29.180 minister that's it uh and you could literally you know you hear the expression fly over states fly

00:34:34.700 over provinces you could fly over manitoba alberta northeast bc and skip it entirely and you've formed

00:34:41.420 government so what i'm you know my platform is now to start pushing for full and complete legislation

00:34:48.700 of autonomy for western camp so is pushing um every federal piece of um every federal institution

00:34:56.460 that manages your life and mine let's push that back into the provinces and when it comes to bc

00:35:01.580 you're absolutely right like i think of northern bc northeast bc etc very resource rich and in

00:35:07.660 terms of a culture work ethic um thought process etc not dissimilar to alberta too you know like

00:35:14.620 i've done a lot of work in fort st john uh in the gas country there and it is just the same kind of

00:35:20.460 work ethic um and it's beautiful country out there so i think we could establish presence there yes

00:35:27.020 you're absolutely right vancouver city like i mean or vancouver island would i ever run a maverick

00:35:32.460 candidate there probably not because i mean um again it's it's if you at least for the first go

00:35:38.760 when you're really looking at winnable ridings and ridings that have a strong return on investment

00:35:43.020 those would not be the ones but absolutely northern bc 100 and we go from there

00:35:48.720 right on well uh before i let you go so that there is uh an event coming up this sunday at the the

00:35:54.800 bear's paw uh community center actually i'm gonna be uh emceeing that will be yes um and just to

00:36:01.440 remind all the listeners i mean i'm friendly on these issues and everything i don't hold any

00:36:04.620 party memberships i'm not necessarily endorsing the maverick i just like seeing these exercises

00:36:08.920 so i'm happy to take part in it absolutely we're honored to have you as a moderator and that's

00:36:13.100 exactly it is you're an unbiased moderator that's coming in party neutral right but it but you come

00:36:18.800 with that experience of asking questions so we have one um it's bear spa on sunday but then we

00:36:23.780 have one on okotoks as well or sorry yeah in okotoks on saturday so those are coming up we'd

00:36:28.080 love to see you there yeah so i just wanted to remind people too if they wanted to meet you or

00:36:32.780 colin or jay hill or any of the other organizers that are involved in the party in that there's

00:36:37.540 that opportunity though for the old traditional uh face-to-face to be able to get some questions

00:36:41.800 in or meet folks and get a little deeper dive into what the party's about and getting organized so

00:36:46.040 i imagine there's details on both of those events on the maverick party website correct they are

00:36:50.840 they're on our socials and our website you betcha okay and yeah and i think they were talking about

00:36:55.840 I mean, Sunday, you know, it's at the Bears Paw.

00:36:57.760 It will be Mother's Day, but anybody bringing their mom, I think they were going to offer

00:37:01.420 a special gift for it.

00:37:02.380 We are.

00:37:03.100 Yeah, you bet. 0.96

00:37:04.060 Just a bit of a thank you there for all moms. 1.00

00:37:06.380 Yeah, and just make sure to take her out for dinner after that. 0.79

00:37:08.340 Absolutely.

00:37:08.540 It's an afternoon event.

00:37:09.580 Okay, well, thank you very much for joining me today.

00:37:11.480 I'll see you in person on Sunday, and well, good luck in the race there.

00:37:16.760 You got you and Colin going head-to-head, and we're going to know within a couple weeks.

00:37:19.860 You bet.

00:37:20.340 Thank you, Corey.

00:37:21.020 Yep.

00:37:21.540 Thank you.

00:37:21.960 Thanks for having me.

00:37:22.980 Thanks, Tarek.

00:37:23.400 Yes, Tarek's been on before, Tarek El Naga, and yeah, he ran for the party in the past. He's been a good voice for just Western autonomy and speaking up for rights out here. And they do have a race going on. It's hard to get attention. It's hard to stand out, you know, in times like this. There's so much going on, but they're working hard at it.

00:37:45.040 you know, the time that people will turn to this party will be the time when the conservatives

00:37:49.220 turn on the West. And guys, it happens every time. It happens every time. We get taken for granted.

00:37:53.940 We get left behind. I find it's not so much when the liberals screw the West, when you see more

00:37:58.840 regionalism building up, because we expected of them. It's when conservatives screw the West that

00:38:03.560 we lose it. It was when Mulroney hooped the West. You know, it was the CF-18 deal in Winnipeg,

00:38:09.680 things like that. That's when the Reform Party got formed. And unfortunately, you know, well,

00:38:15.280 it depends how you want to look at it. But if you look at the Alberta history,

00:38:18.520 the National Energy Program, of course, just milked the West. It traumatized us. There was a large

00:38:23.920 independence movement on the go. I mean, they'd won a seat in Alberta with Kessler and Doug Christie

00:38:30.540 was running the Western Canada concept. Reform actually kind of sucked the oxygen out of them

00:38:36.300 Because if the reform hadn't been formed, I think there would have been a much stronger independence movement in the West at that time.

00:38:42.500 But it gave hope for a triple E Senate and all those things.

00:38:44.820 And the reasoning for that, too, though, was that the Mulroney Conservatives did not do the West any favors, even though the West overwhelmingly elected them.

00:38:54.100 Mulroney had the largest majority in Canadian history at that time.

00:38:57.760 He handed it off to Kim Campbell, and they got slaughtered down to two seats.

00:39:03.840 one of which was Jean Charest 0.99

00:39:05.180 who's running for the conservative leadership now

00:39:06.960 two seats because the reform came in

00:39:09.220 and wiped them out

00:39:12.080 but one lesson at least it told

00:39:13.540 and I think that lesson's been forgotten

00:39:14.760 by a lot of those conservatives

00:39:15.760 is you can't take the West for granted forever

00:39:18.280 eventually we will tell you to get stuffed

00:39:20.220 and this option's being built here

00:39:22.920 and if the federal conservatives do

00:39:25.280 start forgetting where their bread's butter

00:39:27.280 start forgetting to stand up for the West 0.74

00:39:28.840 which I fear always happens

00:39:30.540 as I said don't take it personal

00:39:31.620 it's just math

00:39:32.180 well there's where you go

00:39:33.560 then you've got that alternative. You've got that option to say, you know, I don't have to put up

00:39:37.720 with you guys. I've got somewhere else I could take my vote, my donation, my volunteering,

00:39:41.140 whatever it might be. So, I mean, I've always said that as well, just as a Democrat, the more

00:39:45.660 parties, the better. And, you know, I want to see that mix. I want to see those races and quit

00:39:50.120 cowering in fear for vote splits, guys. If you live in fear of that, then you're always going

00:39:54.720 to be voting for, at best, what you see as a lesser of evils. And that's not a positive way

00:39:59.360 to vote. It's not good for you. So, uh, you know, stay conservative with the federal party. So be

00:40:05.640 it if that's your thing, but make sure to mention it to those members then. Hey, say, Hey, you know,

00:40:08.980 I've got an alternative, you know, uh, it's, it's like the young days when you got a girlfriend

00:40:13.720 who you're not, so, you know, maybe she's, uh, uh, checking out other, uh, sources. We'll just

00:40:18.920 got to remind them that, yeah, well, you know, you've got other alternatives too. And just still

00:40:23.480 try to build a relationship rather than keep looking the other way. Uh, so yeah, see a couple

00:40:27.700 the folks somebody talking uh denise uh is coming from uh chetwind there yeah i spent time up that

00:40:32.740 way too you speak at fort st john and i did a lot of heli portable work down in tumblr ridge

00:40:37.460 and between chetwind and tumblr and if you guys got any resource up there it's grizzly bears holy

00:40:41.920 cow that area is just crawling with those things as a surveyor they uh gave me a lot of the gray

00:40:47.720 hair i have today uh beautiful country up there though there's some really underrated mountains

00:40:52.440 in northern BC. And then I see Jennifer's in Terrace there, and that's getting towards the

00:40:57.840 northwest coast, I guess you could say, of BC. Some rugged country out there and beautiful,

00:41:02.520 great salmon fishing if you want to get out that way. Good to see that audience coming from all

00:41:06.260 over. And again, these are regions that we hear of that, well, we don't hear of enough. These are

00:41:10.460 Canadians. These are citizens. These are people with concerns, and they aren't getting them heard.

00:41:14.660 So maybe Maverick will change some of that. Yeah, Christine in the Fraser Valley. So we've got,

00:41:21.260 it's good to see that many people in the BC audience. And I know there's that frustration,

00:41:25.180 you know, I mean, we get people, if you go into the area of South of Radium there, you know,

00:41:30.920 with Invermere and all the way down to Cranbrook and that, a lot of those BC citizens record,

00:41:38.160 they identify more as Albertans than BC because while they do most of their business, you know,

00:41:44.620 Calgary and Lethbridge are a lot closer to them to deal with and Vancouver and things like that.

00:41:49.100 And they certainly, they don't vote NDP in those areas.

00:41:52.540 You drift over to Nelson, you get a special little pocket of people out that way.

00:41:55.960 But BC is a diverse province and people come from a lot of directions out there.

00:42:00.200 And one of the things that is interesting with Vancouver, I think it's one of the most

00:42:03.280 fascinating ridings in Canada in a lot of ways, is that's one of the ones where ridings

00:42:08.440 really can go in any direction.

00:42:10.960 You don't know where they're going to go in Vancouver.

00:42:12.420 I mean, Vancouver has always been that way.

00:42:13.660 We used to have a solid small C reform conservative

00:42:18.800 would be in one Vancouver riding

00:42:20.360 and right next to him would be a NDP member of parliament

00:42:23.880 and right next to that

00:42:24.680 would be a liberal member of parliament.

00:42:26.300 And those ones would change.

00:42:27.460 They would flip over at times.

00:42:29.140 Same with on the island.

00:42:30.440 You can't dismiss those ones.

00:42:32.320 I mean, there's definitely a heck of a lot more

00:42:34.460 progressive influence on the lower mainland

00:42:36.500 than in interior BC.

00:42:38.980 But those are very,

00:42:41.700 the writings that are in play.

00:42:43.600 You know, and ridings that are in play are the ones where you can have the most influence,

00:42:47.540 even as a minor party, because if you can take a bite out of the support of one of those

00:42:51.080 candidates significantly, then they have to start paying attention to what you're offering

00:42:56.220 because they're losing something.

00:42:57.440 It's hard in Alberta.

00:42:58.800 It's difficult, as we said, when you get to, you know, ridings like I live in, you know,

00:43:02.160 south of Calgary, and I think it's like 75, 80% conservative.

00:43:06.040 Hey, I like that.

00:43:06.880 but it also doesn't help for getting much traction or influence upon your elected officials

00:43:13.700 because they know they got your writing in the bag, and that's just not healthy.

00:43:17.360 Let's look at some new stuff before we get to Melissa here.

00:43:20.100 I got, looks like the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms has sent a legal warning letter

00:43:25.400 to the, you know, getting into BC again, the Columbia Shuswap Regional District

00:43:29.580 demanding the accommodation of a fallen peer firefighter's COVID-19 vaccine exemption.

00:43:35.680 A couple of things, by the way.

00:43:36.740 I got John Carpe coming on next week.

00:43:38.400 This will be probably one of the things I'll talk to him about.

00:43:40.440 Boy, the JCCF, they have been busy this last couple of years

00:43:43.980 with this whole COVID nightmare and the protests

00:43:46.220 and things like that.

00:43:47.440 A lot of things on the go.

00:43:48.800 So in this case, yeah, Craig Nygaard of Solista, BC,

00:43:53.060 he requested a religious exemption

00:43:54.620 from the mandatory vaccination policy.

00:43:59.780 And he's seeking an exemption based on research

00:44:02.520 weighing the benefits and risks.

00:44:03.920 I mean, as far as he's concerned,

00:44:05.140 with it. And the fact that he has naturally acquired immunity to COVID, I'm guessing that

00:44:09.280 means he's probably contracted it and recovered from it, as most people at this point have gotten

00:44:13.960 to. And he says it would, accepting this medical procedure would violate his conscious and religious

00:44:19.440 convictions. That's the case that's going forward. You know, I wish at the very best, I'm not a

00:44:26.540 religious man, but again, you got to respect other people's beliefs and what they're going to do. And

00:44:30.440 if their religion, what do you judge what religion says this or that, or it was right or wrong when

00:44:34.700 It's an individual who's a grown person.

00:44:36.300 If they feel that they shouldn't be taking an injection based on that,

00:44:39.920 who are you to tell them they have to? 1.00

00:44:41.360 And the idiocy of this. 0.99

00:44:43.480 You see, these vaccine mandates are at the point now of spite. 1.00

00:44:46.760 They're just spite.

00:44:48.160 I mean, we have seen, if we're talking about research,

00:44:51.340 they don't stop the spread.

00:44:53.080 They don't make a bloody difference in the spread of the virus.

00:44:57.160 So once that's off the table,

00:44:59.160 there's no point forcing and coercing people to get these things.

00:45:02.620 The ones who aren't going to get them won't.

00:45:04.340 They won't. Nothing is going to make them get that vaccination, shy of tying them down and

00:45:08.740 sticking the needle in their arm, which we haven't gotten to that point. Maybe we never get there.

00:45:14.280 So accept it, live with it, get over it. Because what do we got now? We have these small communities,

00:45:18.900 volunteer firefighters. These are people that are integral to the community. They make people

00:45:22.820 safer. They're putting their own lives on the line to help their neighbors, to put out fires,

00:45:27.640 respond to emergencies, do traffic control at accidents. Small town volunteer firefighters,

00:45:33.440 The men and women who do that, they're local heroes, guys.

00:45:36.860 And we're getting rid of a bunch of them.

00:45:39.060 We're sidelining a bunch of them because we demand vaccination that's not making anybody any safer. 0.97

00:45:44.440 It's ridiculous. 0.50

00:45:46.060 It's just based, again, on this spite. 0.99

00:45:51.060 It really is.

00:45:51.720 They're pissed off that people who've chosen not to get vaccinated have done so.

00:45:55.420 So they just want to make their lives as miserable as possible.

00:45:58.520 And they should know by now.

00:45:59.600 They're not going to make them get vaccinated.

00:46:01.520 They're just going to make them miserable.

00:46:02.480 So stop it. Leave them alone. It's done. Let the ones who choose to get vaccinated get vaccinated.

00:46:08.140 As I said, I did. I don't have a problem with it, but I have no problem if a co-worker or a volunteer

00:46:12.460 firefighter around me or a nurse or anybody else chooses not to. That's their business, not mine.

00:46:18.120 So the JCCF has a challenge. Hopefully, hopefully they win because that's just a micro issue.

00:46:24.040 That's happening all over the place. Let's speak on some rights. I'll get that to add out of the

00:46:29.600 way while we get ready for Melissa. And I shouldn't say that we get it out of the way.

00:46:35.280 They're important. You know, these are the guys that help us go. And not only you guys with your

00:46:38.400 memberships, but these sponsors that we bring in and they reflect a lot of our viewers. And that's

00:46:42.220 the Canadian Shooting Sports Association. These guys, again, have been a longtime good sponsor

00:46:47.100 for us. They're a fantastic organization and they have a lot of resources there for you.

00:46:53.300 They're an association as the technical term goes. It's a gathering of firearm owners,

00:46:58.660 people into shooting sports who want to share resources, network, things like that. They have

00:47:05.320 videos on safe firearm use. They have links to, you know, upcoming gun shows, events, things like

00:47:10.920 that. And most importantly of all, they have legal challenges and they do lobbying on your behalf as

00:47:17.120 a firearm owner, because we have a government that's always trying to take your property away.

00:47:20.720 They won't give up. They're always trying to take your firearms and they need to be pushed back.

00:47:27.420 If you don't fight back, they win automatically.

00:47:30.600 Sometimes it sucks if you do fight back and they still win.

00:47:32.560 Well, then you just got to keep fighting.

00:47:34.640 The Canadian Shooting Sports Association is fighting on your behalf,

00:47:37.400 but they need your membership in order to do so.

00:47:39.440 So get on there, guys.

00:47:40.540 Join them.

00:47:41.100 It's well worth it if you enjoy firearms or you want to enjoy.

00:47:43.640 Even if you don't enjoy firearms, but you respect other people's rights for it,

00:47:46.040 check them out.

00:47:47.260 CSSA-CILA.org or just, again, Google them, Canadian Shooting Sports Association.

00:47:54.040 And actually, I'm going to have one of their representatives on this Friday,

00:47:56.480 Tony Bernardo. Boy, that's tomorrow. This week's going fast. So Tony's going to be on with me

00:48:00.040 tomorrow. We'll talk about some of those things. So check them out. All right. What else we got

00:48:04.100 in the news? It's going to piss me off. Well, this is not got me too wound up, but this is

00:48:10.480 still ongoing. This has been a big issue. And we, let's see, side discussions going on. So it's

00:48:19.560 good. I like seeing the commentary going. So the UCP, getting into some Alberta stuff and partisan

00:48:23.580 and stuff. They released a 14-point plan detailing how Deloitte Canada is going to conduct the audit

00:48:29.240 of Premier Kennedy's leadership review vote. We got that craziness going on. It's coming near

00:48:34.500 its end. It's going to be on the 18th that we'll get the results, I think. I don't know. These

00:48:39.240 things are always late. It's just so bizarre and so crazy. Brian Jean did respond to it. He was on

00:48:45.340 the show the other day, and he's also said that much of what he saw in it is good, but he has

00:48:49.580 concerns. Apparently, they're going to be required to conduct a random audit of no fewer than 50

00:48:54.840 party members of the list for March 19th to confirm the membership application details and

00:49:00.860 the payment of the fee. That's 50 out of 58,600. Now, yeah, I guess if you pick 50 out of a random

00:49:08.460 pile, I mean, I don't want to be too negative about this necessarily. If you pick 50 out and

00:49:14.440 all 50 were confirmable and good, still, even though there's still a remaining large pile that

00:49:18.960 weren't checked, it's probably a good indication that the integrity is pretty good. It is a small

00:49:24.080 sample though. That number does sound very, very small and it says a minimum of 50. So I think

00:49:29.340 maybe if they pulled out 50 and they found four that they couldn't confirm and there was a problem

00:49:35.420 with these, then they're going to dig in deeper. They're going to pull out a lot more than 50. I'm

00:49:38.780 just guessing this, but I do think that the company that's been hired is going to stick to

00:49:43.120 their rules, you know, but the problem with this whole thing, the whole UCP thing, I don't think

00:49:50.560 anybody's going to trust the results. They just won't. The party has played so many games and so

00:49:56.500 much messing around and all of this stuff. I don't think many people are going to feel very confident

00:50:02.500 about it. And then as was said too, I mean, I think it was a Rick Bell article. I, you know,

00:50:07.500 I love reading the dinger stuff. I don't like pushing people away from the standard, but he's

00:50:11.340 well worth reading, you know, get on there and read rich stuff. But he was, cause he, he cuts

00:50:15.220 wherever he needs to. And, uh, he, he had, um, I've lost my thoughts out there. Oh, he was just

00:50:24.220 talking about how 50% plus one, you know, it's, it's a number that the premier kind of keeps saying,

00:50:28.080 but will the rest of the party accept that? That's the bigger question is, I mean, technically

00:50:33.000 that's enough to maintain your spot, but, uh, uh, morally and going forward, or even is it

00:50:39.380 sustainable because that means you've got 49% of your own party upset with you. And that's a

00:50:43.980 pretty tough wound to heal. So we'll see what happens. I don't even want to roll the dice and

00:50:49.660 guess what's going to happen in a couple of weeks. We just got to watch with interest and see what

00:50:52.880 happens. So I see my guest in the lobby there. I won't keep her on hold any longer than I have to.

00:50:57.940 I've wanted to get her on for a while there. Hey, Melissa, how are you doing? I'm good. How are you?

00:51:02.800 Very good. Thanks. Well, I was ranting and raving, but that's what's good in my world.

00:51:07.540 So just to remind everybody, if they've just recently tuned in too, that's Melissa Embarkey,

00:51:13.240 and she's with the McDonnell Laurier Institute. And you're also a good Westerner and very involved

00:51:18.200 in the energy sector and indigenous issues. So you just offer a very good, unique voice that

00:51:24.520 we really appreciate. I'm glad we could get you on again today. Oh, you're welcome. Glad to be here.

00:51:29.680 So, you know, we'll just get into the familiar turf. We see your debates and your discussions,

00:51:34.520 Some of the frustration, I guess, you have on social media with the First Nations communities, in my view, are being used as a bit of a ping pong ball, kind of by both sides when it comes to development in areas, particularly in British Columbia, whether it's energy or even some other things.

00:51:52.540 And people keep, I guess, saying that they're speaking on behalf of citizens out that way on either side.

00:51:58.240 And that's not necessarily the case.

00:51:59.600 like the first there's not every First Nations person feels the same on the issue as every other

00:52:03.460 one. And they've got to kind of cut that out. Yeah, we definitely have diversified voices. I

00:52:09.640 mean, we're not a monolith. And I think we really have to get out of that mindset that we all have

00:52:14.500 the same opinion, that we all agree on the same thing. We have to start changing that narrative

00:52:19.200 for our communities because there's different voices out there. And a lot of the times the

00:52:25.120 louder ones are the only ones that you're hearing. And that's not very fair to an entire community.

00:52:32.100 No, and it's going to be becoming more acute, I imagine, in days to come right away. I mean,

00:52:36.560 the energy prices just continue to climb and climb and climb. The need for energy products

00:52:41.040 and getting stuff to port is becoming more acute. But it seems that activists are more inclined than

00:52:47.800 ever to try and shut down, I mean, not just proposed projects, but some that are underway

00:52:52.640 right now and that's going to put a lot of stress and harm among communities living along those

00:52:57.440 areas that we're counting counting on those things for their local economy exactly once the community

00:53:03.040 benefit agreements are signed a lot of the leaders you know they start thinking about what they can

00:53:09.280 bring to their communities in terms of education in terms of elder resources youth resources that

00:53:14.720 money is essentially already allocated to the services that they need so when projects don't

00:53:20.080 go through they're backtracking you know and they're letting down their community members who

00:53:25.840 not only wanted jobs and employment but who also wanted these programs and services that they so

00:53:31.360 desperately need so we have to think of the long-term impacts not just for Canadians but

00:53:36.480 for Indigenous people as well in these communities because you know we have to start looking at

00:53:41.440 what's being taken away from them you know just when they thought they had an opportunity of

00:53:45.680 economic development that's all squashed because of an activist because protesters don't agree

00:53:52.000 with it and that essentially is wrong on so many levels well yeah and the activists who try to

00:53:58.800 shut these you know industries down and things such as that and development in areas again are

00:54:04.160 often from outside of those areas in the first place and they don't offer the alternative then

00:54:08.560 well if this is shut down how are local people expected to pay the bills and pay for local

00:54:13.120 infrastructure and, you know, pay for education and things that everybody else wants to. I mean,

00:54:17.240 these are isolated areas with limited resources. They don't offer that alternative aside from

00:54:22.280 saying, well, we should do more, perhaps just transfers of funds, but that doesn't help

00:54:25.400 build a community. No, it definitely doesn't. I mean, if it did help, we would have seen

00:54:30.180 communities prosper in the last few decades. You know, I left my community 17 years ago and I go

00:54:37.120 back today and it looks exactly the same. So we can no longer depend on government handouts. We

00:54:43.480 have to start figuring out ways to look after ourselves. And we have to ensure that communities

00:54:47.720 are heard. And we also have to ensure that outsiders aren't speaking for us. You know, 0.99

00:54:52.000 there might be a few who are disgruntled, but that's not the voice of the community. And if

00:54:56.720 people wanted to know the truth of what's happening in these communities, go and meet with them. Like

00:55:02.000 meet with a diversified group of people. You know, look at the ones who are saying yes and look at

00:55:07.100 the ones who are saying no, and draw your opinion from that. Don't just listen to the loudest voice.

00:55:13.620 That's it. I used to work in the energy sector for a couple of decades and getting into,

00:55:18.500 in Northern Alberta communities, the local First Nations communities and reserves were often

00:55:23.520 actually had a lot of great contractors and were very integrated in well servicing, exploration,

00:55:28.660 maintenance, and it was good for the entire community. It kept people working. It was

00:55:31.960 successful businesses. It just seems to be BC where it's hung up, where they seem to feel that

00:55:36.140 they don't need these things or can't see the benefit of it. And it just, again, it frustrates

00:55:41.700 to watch. I mean, the CGL pipeline in particular has been the flashpoint, but I can't see how

00:55:46.120 that's going to be stopped. It's been built this far. What is it going to take to get that thing

00:55:50.840 complete though? I mean, it's going to take, you know, going back for CGL, for example,

00:55:57.440 the Witsuten community need to go back and, you know, come together as a community again.

00:56:02.460 You know, this whole being, you know, separated and divisive about issues that has to that has to end, because if they're fighting about land issues and land claims, land rights, you know, they're doing that as a community, you know, for hereditary chiefs don't speak for an entire community, you know, they have to go through their membership and they have to make sure that they're including them.

00:56:25.420 so you know it's either they go back to the drawing board and you know figure out new terms

00:56:31.580 or you know they start listening to their community members who are in support of this

00:56:35.480 pipeline who do have jobs because of this pipeline who do have you know small businesses because of

00:56:41.380 it you know I just you know it's so divided that I don't I wouldn't even know where to begin for

00:56:46.940 them and the BC government has been paying them you know to go back and you know resolve issues

00:56:53.280 within their membership and seven million dollars would resolve any you know conflict in my community

00:57:00.560 and they just seem to be at a standstill and it's very frustrating to watch yeah well nobody wants

00:57:08.160 to see i mean these are tight communities the social structure and seeing neighbors fighting

00:57:11.680 with neighbors over an issue that i mean it's not healthy for for the community as well i mean they

00:57:16.800 can have different points of view within the community but when we see them playing against

00:57:20.240 each other. I mean, it's just, it's sad to see, unfortunately. It is very sad. And I do hope

00:57:26.440 they come together again. And I do hope they resolve their issues and just, you know, take

00:57:31.040 the economic benefit that this pipeline is going to bring. And, you know, think of your people,

00:57:35.620 think of everyone, not just the four hereditary leaders that are the loudest out there.

00:57:41.260 Yeah. So to pivot to something on a bit of a broader issue, since one of our commenters,

00:57:45.600 Cheryl Dawn brought it up and you've spoken on that on Twitter quite a bit. And a lot of people

00:57:48.920 have. And that's what the clean drinking water, it's something we take for granted just about

00:57:52.700 everywhere. We can turn on our tap and what comes out is safe. We can wash our clothes with it. We

00:57:56.780 can drink it straight out of the tap. But countless First Nation communities can't do that. They can't

00:58:01.580 seem to resolve this clean water issue. I mean, government after government has promised to do

00:58:06.060 something about it. It never seems to get solved. But what Cheryl's asking, like, what is prohibiting

00:58:11.880 it though? I mean, they keep saying they're going to address it. I believe some money is spent, but

00:58:15.240 just never seems to work are there regulatory problems or what's happening with this uh what's

00:58:20.520 ha what i've seen happening in my own community is that there's a lot of government red tape so

00:58:27.080 we were on a boil water advisory you know 17 20 years ago and our issue was a simple filtration

00:58:35.800 change essentially um what ended up happening was we spent about seven years going back and

00:58:41.240 forth with the government you know not having a proper hydrologist come in and assess the

00:58:45.880 situation and diagnose it you know it just kind of went on negotiations you know we had people

00:58:51.240 coming out nothing was done and that's exactly what is going on in most communities you know

00:58:56.360 they they don't hire directly um you know like an environmental company or like a drilling company

00:59:02.280 they don't hire them directly to go into first nations communities and diagnose the issue they

00:59:08.120 use their own internal staff to do that and they can drag this on for years which they have and

00:59:13.320 each visit that they make you know they get paid for it you know they're not in no rush to fix our

00:59:18.360 water issues and by the time money is allocated for these you know for these to fix the issues

00:59:24.360 it's already gone through their federal department and probably only a third less than half of that

00:59:29.800 money is is spent so that's where we are you know you you start the project you stop it because you

00:59:37.080 have no money then you have to go back to the drawing board there's just too much red tape and

00:59:41.960 i think we need to start eliminating these middle people and we need to start working with reserves

00:59:47.720 directly and with water companies directly and have those two talk and maybe we would get a lot

00:59:53.720 further and we'd get a lot more money for we get a lot more progress with the money that's allocated

01:00:00.920 yeah well nobody can make something more efficient than a pack of bureaucrats unfortunately i mean if

01:00:05.160 If you want to slow something down, those are the best people to bring it about.

01:00:09.220 And yeah, it costs a fortune after study after study, and then we'll pass it to this desk and back.

01:00:13.380 And meanwhile, you guys are still boiling water.

01:00:15.800 Is there structural change, though, that perhaps could streamline that?

01:00:19.220 Part of the problem is these First Nation communities are very tightly tied with the federal government.

01:00:26.320 Would increasing more municipal style authority so that a community can directly source water experts to come in

01:00:34.320 and set up a facility and show how to maintain one things like that like can we do that without

01:00:38.560 changing the indian act we can definitely do that like we don't need consultant after consultant in

01:00:44.960 the middle the when i knew there was an issue with with not just the water but with the bureaucrats

01:00:52.400 was when i actually worked with the county you know and drilled a thousand plus wells for people

01:00:58.080 and businesses they did this in four years and i i had to give my head a shake after that because

01:01:05.360 i'm like why is this not working in first nations communities if it took you know four years to drill

01:01:10.960 and pipe you know a thousand plus two thousand plus people why can't they do it for a hundred

01:01:17.120 like my community is a hundred people um you know why couldn't they do that within a year not seven

01:01:23.040 years it is just it's just mind-blowing i think there has to be a direct contact between first

01:01:29.520 nations communities and outside water experts you know i i think we can cut out the federal

01:01:35.680 government in that case but then that means that there's jobs on their end that are going to be

01:01:40.800 lost because of it so i don't know i wouldn't even know where to begin but we just need to

01:01:46.240 start coming up with solutions yeah and it's frustrating i mean it's i said i've been on

01:01:51.520 on jobs where we'd move into temporary camp, they would drill a water well for the camp,

01:01:55.060 have a filtration shack set up and everything in a pump shack. And within a week, we've got a,

01:02:00.300 you know, 50 oil field guys in a small camp with clean locally sourced water right on the spot.

01:02:05.780 How on earth is this so impossible? And it's across the country. It's in Ontario, it's in

01:02:10.040 Labrador, it's in BC areas with lots of good water. It just needs systems. And it's just

01:02:16.640 ridiculous that this is still an issue. Yes, I mean, it's still an issue now. You know,

01:02:22.360 I think they're rationing water in my community because the well is drying up. So who knows how

01:02:27.680 long it's going to take them to drill a well now? Like we just got over the filtration issue. Now

01:02:31.900 we have no well. I mean, it's just very frustrating and it's an issue that could easily be solved

01:02:38.680 if a First Nation Reserve worked like an oil and gas company and how they, you know, drill wells, 0.95

01:02:45.240 you know, they get these projects done within months. So why are we having this issue? It just

01:02:51.020 boggles my mind. It is a frustration. Maybe before I let you go, I know it's a, boy, it's a huge

01:02:59.100 sensitive issue and a difficult one, but you know, the residential schools, the recent discoveries,

01:03:05.860 the grave sites, where do we go from here? There's a huge question to throw at you. I'm just looking

01:03:12.200 for, I guess, a smaller, concise thing, because there were still, there's a lot of questions

01:03:15.900 up in the air. There's a lot of people, some people being insensitive, but at the same

01:03:20.800 time, there's other people being, I think, a little bit too inflammatory on this issue.

01:03:25.380 How can we take it seriously and get a productive outcome out of this, what's been at least

01:03:28.860 exposed in this last year?

01:03:30.560 I think what needs to be done this time around, you know, last time the federal government

01:03:34.780 made their apologies, you know, when the students were compensated, we need to look beyond that

01:03:40.200 now and we need to see what these communities need you know so we need to start asking for

01:03:44.360 healing facilities drug and alcohol facilities i mean tangible stuff like this would help people

01:03:49.880 and um you know we need to start thinking forward and we need to start thinking how we're going to

01:03:55.480 start healing as a community and as a survivor um we're not going to get there if we keep you know

01:04:02.600 looking at the past and we keep you know demanding apologies from different people we just need to

01:04:08.440 start asking for the things that we need now today and start looking at our future and how we can

01:04:15.000 you know start that reconciliation process even within our communities um you know we need to

01:04:21.000 start coming up with solutions and i think we can get there we just need to now start making action

01:04:27.960 plans of how we're going to start healing and what that's going to look like great yeah a big task

01:04:35.240 And obviously this is going to be the work of years, but hopefully we just start getting

01:04:38.660 some more productive work done on it.

01:04:41.400 You know, as you said, I mean, just looking forward, you know, an addictions treatment

01:04:45.140 center on an isolated community would do a heck of a lot more good for future generations

01:04:49.240 than another apology.

01:04:50.480 You know, let's do something to help just fix the damage rather than worrying about how

01:04:55.680 it was caused.

01:04:56.680 We know how it was caused.

01:04:57.680 Now let's see what we fix it.

01:04:59.880 Exactly.

01:05:00.880 Well, that's great.

01:05:01.880 Great. Well, that went quickly, but I really appreciate you coming on to join us today. I

01:05:05.600 know you're quite busy. I tried to grab you earlier and I forgot when you're dealing with

01:05:08.480 accounting and that, you know, when I get, Jane gets on my case for it too. I forget how busy

01:05:12.760 she gets at tax time and things like that or that first part of the season. So we got you on today

01:05:18.800 and I really appreciate your voice, you know, out there with the McDonnell Laurier Institute and

01:05:22.900 some of the columns you put out and on social media in general, but where can people follow

01:05:27.560 And I do post, you know, pretty, um, consistently with the national post.

01:05:32.480 So you will see most of my work there, but you could see it in other, um, other

01:05:38.300 newspapers as well.

01:05:39.380 So I'm just kind of here, there and everywhere.

01:05:42.320 Great.

01:05:42.980 Well, I appreciate what you, you know, you're speaking up and, and, uh, talking

01:05:47.180 to those issues that are sensitive.

01:05:48.260 A lot of us would rather just dodge sometimes and, uh, offering a, a, a

01:05:52.280 lot of us would rather just, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um,

01:05:56.120 offering a reasonable voice in it. And of course, I appreciate you coming on today. So thanks again.

01:06:01.880 And I hope we can talk again soon. Yeah, for sure. Thanks for having me.

01:06:06.820 So yes, that was Melissa Mbarkey. And yes, for all the Twitter veterans out there, you've seen

01:06:11.640 her online, I'm certain, and she discusses things. Some of the questions, you know, some folks were

01:06:16.560 asking about why can't they just, you know, drill a water well and, you know, house by house and

01:06:21.140 things like that, like people do in rural farm communities and things like that. There's a couple

01:06:25.200 of things that hold that up. And one of which, you know, we talk a lot about that with First

01:06:30.320 Nations and so on, is you got to remember they don't own their houses and property the way people 0.99

01:06:35.640 off reserve do. It's not the same as that. So if a family is living in a household, that house is

01:06:40.800 actually the property of the reserve. And that's been a real problem because people ask, why don't

01:06:45.520 they maintain the houses better? So, you know, some people, we see them getting run down or

01:06:48.840 abused. Again, unfortunately, it's because they don't have an incentive to maintain. You don't

01:06:55.820 own it. You can't sell it. You can't turn it over. In fact, in some of the reserves that have

01:06:59.900 difficulty with management and administration, you could get evicted from that house. I saw that

01:07:04.140 happening on the Horse Lakes Reserve decades ago. That reserve had some serious corruption issues

01:07:08.660 going on. And if you weren't tied in with the chief and council, you weren't getting into a

01:07:13.300 nice house. And it was almost as if you made your house look nice and decent, it could become a

01:07:17.720 target. They can say, well, we're going to turf you out of there and stick my friend in and you

01:07:20.420 can go to that shack down the road. I'm not saying every reserve does that, but there's some very

01:07:24.900 serious administrative problems in the reserves and it really brings a disincentive for anybody

01:07:29.920 to maintain. So, I mean, things like, you know, Professor Flanagan and some of the others have

01:07:36.160 talked about maybe if we could bring ways in to bring property rights to First Nations people so

01:07:40.880 they can own these assets. I mean, this is a lot of what's held them back. I mean, those of us who

01:07:44.940 who've been in business before,

01:07:45.900 you wanna start a business venture,

01:07:47.400 how do you get the financing to do it?

01:07:49.040 Banks do not like financing new business ventures,

01:07:51.600 they're high risk.

01:07:52.440 Well, people use their home equity as a security

01:07:54.720 if they wanna take that gamble and move forward. 1.00

01:07:56.960 Well, First Nations residents don't have an opportunity

01:07:59.780 to build that equity.

01:08:02.440 Like for a lot of things

01:08:03.920 that they can really socially help themselves,

01:08:05.920 if we could give some more incentive

01:08:07.100 on home ownership and maintenance

01:08:08.400 and building an asset for individuals

01:08:09.960 and families on those reserves,

01:08:10.900 I think it would do wonders for them in general

01:08:13.260 and for everybody.

01:08:14.320 But back to the water well thing.

01:08:16.560 So as somebody else pointed out, it can cost,

01:08:19.560 it depends on where you are

01:08:20.880 and where your water table is and things like that.

01:08:22.840 But yeah, upwards of five, 10, 15,

01:08:25.000 or even $20,000 to build a water well,

01:08:27.200 dig a water well for a house.

01:08:28.260 And especially once you install the filtration system,

01:08:30.260 the pump, all of that, I have that.

01:08:32.780 I live rurally in Prittis.

01:08:34.160 I'm on my own water there and septic.

01:08:37.200 And we replaced our septic field last year.

01:08:40.640 I think I was bitching about that on the show a while back.

01:08:42.360 That's where I learned a lesson.

01:08:43.200 40 grand. These things are expensive that way. And you have to maintain them. And again, if you got

01:08:49.440 people, you know, it's a larger discussion as to why there's so many social challenges on First

01:08:54.440 Nations communities. But these are people that are, you know, a lot of people who are in rough

01:08:58.660 condition, and they're having difficulties maintaining their own lives, much less worrying

01:09:02.160 about maintaining other things. So they might not necessarily maintain their water filtration system

01:09:06.420 well enough personally, or the pump, like it's a very complicated problem. It's not so simple as

01:09:11.540 It's just saying, well, drill a well at the house and put the filtration on and it's a done deal and it's set.

01:09:17.620 There's bigger issues at play.

01:09:19.320 I like how Melissa talked proactively, too.

01:09:21.600 If we're going to do reconciliation, look at things we can do on the reserves, then that'll lead to bettering the people in general.

01:09:29.140 And, of course, addictions and mental health issues are huge.

01:09:31.920 They're huge everywhere.

01:09:33.160 And they're more acute, absolutely, on the reserves.

01:09:36.740 I mean, I think the blood reserve in southern Alberta is just a catastrophe with the fentanyl.

01:09:40.600 It has been for a couple of years. So any of those efforts you can do to help things out,

01:09:44.320 it's a multi-pronged problem. But the last of, you know, the lack of property rights

01:09:51.940 really, really does set back a lot of First Nations people. There's a lot of people with

01:09:56.440 ambition and the great business ideas and things they want to do, but they haven't had quite that

01:10:00.860 opportunity. Now we get into the bigger discussion too. Not many young people can afford to buy a

01:10:05.460 house or get into a house these days and start building some equity anyways. Nobody can these 0.99

01:10:08.960 days, but that's a separate, separate thing as well. And as Melissa was saying, mostly though,

01:10:15.800 it's the bureaucracies. It's the bureaucracies are making a mess. When you bring government

01:10:19.240 officials in to manage something, you know, it's not going to be done efficiently or quickly

01:10:24.620 or effectively. So we've got to figure out how to cut out all those parasitic bureaucrats. And 1.00

01:10:29.420 that's what they are. They're like little parasites. They're going to keep sucking out 1.00

01:10:34.360 from the middle and people won't get a decent outcome out of these things. And it really is 1.00

01:10:41.620 maddening. But either way, it was good to get Melissa on to talk about it and

01:10:45.620 to get those views on what's happening with things. I mean, it's a big, large, complicated

01:10:53.060 problem and it's not going away anytime soon. Scott's saying, corruption's everywhere and

01:10:57.660 yeah, reserves are no exception. No, it's absolutely true. And in some ways, it was one

01:11:03.300 of those areas of good intention uh you know going bad as often is the case uh horse lakes reserve

01:11:10.920 as i said i worked up in there and back in the 90s and some of the stuff those guys did and the

01:11:17.100 the money that was going into the pockets administration while the citizens on the ground

01:11:20.300 were just getting run over it was terrible to watch and what it was though is of course

01:11:24.860 everything the big buzzword back then was self-government because everything was so

01:11:27.460 patronizing you can see why it's frustrating everything was run by government you know

01:11:31.680 these reserves had no control over themselves. So then suddenly people realize, well, that's not

01:11:35.360 very nice. That's wrong. We'll give you all back control. And here's a check deal with things.

01:11:38.880 Well, unfortunately, if there's a social discord and there's not checks and balances and there's

01:11:43.840 things like that, the bandits often rise to the top and, and, and the people suffer. And that's

01:11:50.740 kind of what happened there. Or if you want some interesting stories, you know, research into

01:11:54.160 chief snow on the Stony Reserve, West of Calgary, I won't go into specifics, but there's been a lot

01:11:58.600 of challenges on giving a self-government. So, I mean, a blank check doesn't work necessarily,

01:12:03.220 but having massive government regulation certainly doesn't work. So just got to keep discussing and

01:12:08.500 hopefully find a productive end to some of these things. And the other part is getting some

01:12:12.080 industry, get people to work, give them a feeling of purpose. You know, I mean, people want jobs.

01:12:16.860 They're like everybody else. They want to pay their bills. But if you're in North Interior BC,

01:12:22.120 what do you do? And you don't want to leave your community. You grew up there. You love it out

01:12:26.080 there, you're in the mountains, you got your family, your friends, but what career opportunities

01:12:29.960 are there? Well, if those pipelines that get through and some energy development and logging

01:12:34.240 and things like that responsibly done, you can stay in your community and you can work and you

01:12:39.000 can still maintain traditional values and things. This is what these activists trying to shut things

01:12:43.580 down won't realize or they won't admit. But I mean, if they really care about the citizens

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01:14:13.680 work and they're working on using hot springs for permanent job energy. Yeah. Well, there's

01:14:19.700 multiple things. I speak of it sort of when you talk about energy development, though,

01:14:24.920 it pays off in a larger way. The larger amount on a pipeline construction, of course, is during the

01:14:28.280 construction. Once it's in, maintenance of a right-of-way and things like that are relatively

01:14:32.860 minor. But what you get is a lot of resource revenue. There were deals cut for basically

01:14:37.840 royalties and fees that we've paid to people along, and it helps maintain the community so

01:14:43.020 you can develop other things as well while you're at it. It's just like in Alberta. You'll say,

01:14:48.360 why my gas price is through the roof. You know, when, when we got oil wells and gas around here,

01:14:51.560 well, it's cause we're based on a world price. So what's the point then of selling all this oil

01:14:56.280 if we're still going to pay the world price, but you got to remember the royalties and money coming

01:15:00.500 in from that can pay for a lot of programs. And theoretically, anyways, you should be able to

01:15:03.740 reduce the tax burden. So the money in an indirect way will end up in your pocket and will help you

01:15:07.540 out. Uh, doesn't always work out that way. Um, geothermal and things like that for local energy

01:15:14.280 and heat sources and things like that. They're neat projects. But getting the liquid natural

01:15:19.640 gas terminal going, getting that gas to it, benefit all Canadians, all of BC and the people

01:15:25.300 working along the right-of-way. And the benefits of the terrorists. Well, I mean, again, if your

01:15:32.420 province is bringing the royalties, I mean, it's battles you can have with the provincial government,

01:15:36.520 but it does pay off in the long run. We can't shut down everything because we aren't getting

01:15:41.100 enough. I mean, there's power transmission lines a few miles from me. I don't get anything out of

01:15:45.360 that, but they got to go there and it's the way it goes. So let's see. This was something that

01:15:51.660 some other people brought up. This is nuts. I think Melanie Riston wrote a story on that too,

01:15:57.160 though. So the rhetoric coming from the minister of families, the liberal, getting back to that

01:16:05.220 bloody abortion debate. And again, we just got to keep talking about it because it's going to be

01:16:08.320 there. I mean, what a ridiculous thing she's proposing is Karina Gould, Minister of Families, 0.99

01:16:13.240 told the CBC in an interview that if American women are denied access to abortions out of the

01:16:17.820 border, and again, we're getting way ahead of ourselves to the point of whether that might

01:16:20.740 happen or not, but there's certainly a shakeup. She's saying we'll offer abortions to women in

01:16:26.480 Canada, you know, American women to come up here. One of the points that was pointed out in the

01:16:31.280 story too is unless they're unvaccinated, then they won't be allowed in. So yeah, sorry, you're

01:16:36.780 unvaccinated, you've got to carry that job to term. But in the meantime, we are in a country

01:16:41.840 that has our healthcare stretched to the max. Our system's broken. It sucks. Our waiting lists are

01:16:47.620 overwhelming. And we've got this minister with the Liberal government saying we're going to

01:16:52.000 offer services to people from across the border to come up and further pressure our system.

01:16:57.560 Don't we have enough to deal with here, guys? This is not our issue. I mean, that's one of

01:17:00.940 the things where people talk about, are saying that this issue does become our issue. It shouldn't

01:17:05.620 be our issue, but it is. And we can't seem to stay away from it. So pay attention to this one.

01:17:12.340 It makes us squeamish. We don't like it. It's one of those types of issues that can have a

01:17:16.760 fight breakout at the dinner table and family doesn't talk to each other forever. It's a very

01:17:21.100 emotional one. It's an important one, but we got to deal with it. Unfortunately, again, I don't know

01:17:27.780 whatever. I don't know why those justices felt they had to go ripping into the Roe v. Wade decision,

01:17:32.300 But the battle never does quite stop, and it's just agonizing.

01:17:39.640 Here's another beauty that came out.

01:17:41.240 You know, everybody's favorite minister there, Stephen Gilboa, the environment minister,

01:17:45.080 the criminal, the environmental extremist, the one who's been, you know,

01:17:48.000 and I'm not just saying it as a pejorative.

01:17:50.180 This is a man, you can see those pictures of him grinning away in his orange jumpsuit

01:17:53.660 after he's been arrested and charged for environmental crimes. 0.99

01:17:56.880 He's now our environmental minister, and he's nuts. 0.96

01:17:59.260 I mean, he's right out there, that guy.

01:18:00.380 But I mean, one of the statements saying, so, I mean, you know, our emissions went down recently.

01:18:04.860 Okay, so he should be jumping for joy.

01:18:06.420 He should be doing cartwheels, right?

01:18:07.480 Well, no, he's saying the only reason for that is because COVID-19 shut down the economy that much.

01:18:12.840 Okay, so this is interesting to see where this goes with this.

01:18:19.560 Basically, the only way we can reduce emissions is to shut down our economy.

01:18:22.980 That's the reality.

01:18:23.920 That's the thing that got missed between the text here.

01:18:26.440 I think a message he didn't realize he was putting out, but that's the truth of it. 0.76

01:18:29.980 So if we could just castrate our economy enough, make enough people poor, make enough people

01:18:33.520 stressed, put enough people on drugs and do all the rest of the good stuff that came with all

01:18:36.860 the lockdowns, we can reduce emissions because nothing else has worked. Carbon tax hasn't brought

01:18:43.480 anything down. BC's had carbon tax for a long, long time. It hasn't been effective in bringing

01:18:48.940 down their emissions whatsoever. The only way we can do it is shutting things down. And that's

01:18:53.340 what they're doing. I think what we saw out of Gilboa was an unintentional slip of clarity out

01:18:58.620 that man. So he understands that, yes, the only way we can manage to reduce our emissions is to

01:19:02.840 put everybody in the poorhouse. And, you know, lockdowns, as far as he's concerned, I would

01:19:08.080 think are almost good in his ideas. So they can't bring down emissions other ways. And

01:19:14.740 it just carries on. Let's see. Cabinet bringing in an abortion bill. I've beaten that up enough

01:19:21.960 for today. As I said, we're going to keep talking about it for a while, but I think I've had enough

01:19:25.580 for today. Speaking of the insanity of COVID, COVID zero, look at China, look at Shanghai.

01:19:31.760 They are still at it over there. They're bolting people inside their homes. The World Health

01:19:36.400 Organization says COVID deaths are three times worse than reported. I don't know. What do you

01:19:40.060 believe out of that? I don't believe much out of the World Health Organization, and I don't believe

01:19:43.840 anything out of China. So I think they're all throwing darts at a board to say how many people 1.00

01:19:46.820 are actually dying or not dying. The bottom line, though, is what we're seeing in China,

01:19:50.540 of that, as Prime Minister Trudeau put, the basic dictatorship that he admires is they can do these

01:19:57.820 kinds of things. That's what Justin likes. He likes that. Don't have to deal with all those bloody

01:20:01.460 civil rights and things like that. We can just do whatever we want as a government.

01:20:05.840 Well, China's trying that. In Shanghai, they've been locking people in their homes. They've been

01:20:09.220 cracking down. They've been torturing and killing people's house pets. It's literally what they're

01:20:13.180 doing. That's how sick it is. There's some awful videos about what's been going on out there.

01:20:16.320 that they've taken on the COVID zero approach.

01:20:18.860 Let's see if government can stop COVID.

01:20:20.900 If we can just regulate and legislate

01:20:22.960 and crush people enough,

01:20:24.160 let's see if we can stop this virus.

01:20:25.440 Well, it failed.

01:20:26.280 It failed.

01:20:27.280 It's still spreading.

01:20:28.380 It's still going.

01:20:29.660 Quit trying to legislate our way out of the pandemic.

01:20:32.660 It doesn't work.

01:20:33.540 It hasn't worked anywhere on the planet.

01:20:36.240 Learn to live with it, guys. 1.00

01:20:37.800 China's showing on the most extreme end 0.98

01:20:39.920 the deaths are still going up in their area.

01:20:42.180 It doesn't matter what the government does

01:20:43.960 with these lockdowns.

01:20:45.000 So let's get into some reality, drop these bloody restrictions.

01:20:51.000 Fuel prices are rising.

01:20:53.460 It's the other thing, yes.

01:20:55.300 Crude markets are spiking.

01:20:56.600 So again, good for Alberta.

01:20:59.100 Bad for a lot of individuals when it comes to cost of living, though.

01:21:02.060 Energy puts up the cost of everything.

01:21:04.180 Everything is transported by the fuel.

01:21:06.120 We need heat, winter, the work.

01:21:07.740 So it is good for us in the short term.

01:21:09.700 But again, as I said on the pipeline yesterday, it puts a big target on our back.

01:21:13.760 We've seen this before.

01:21:15.000 When enough Canadians start suffering, it was kind of like when I was talking with Tarek too,

01:21:18.120 suddenly the government's going to be saying, well, it's time for Canada, Alberta to do their

01:21:21.820 part for the country. Not like we haven't already through tens and tens of billions of dollars in

01:21:26.140 equalization payments, but don't be shocked to see another national energy program, guys.

01:21:31.440 High oil prices are dangerous for us in a lot of ways. So we'll see what happens to that. Okay.

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01:22:01.280 So tonight with the conservative leaders, five out of six of them are going to be on a debate

01:22:06.300 in Ontario, and we're going to be streaming that live. Dave and I will jump in at about

01:22:10.400 I'm thinking quarter after three Western Mountain Standard time.

01:22:14.880 The debate will start at 3.30, goes for an hour and a half.

01:22:17.620 So until five o'clock Mountain Standard, seven o'clock Eastern.

01:22:20.920 You can see directly what these five conservative leader candidates have to say on things.

01:22:26.420 And then Dave and I will jump in with our own interpretation of the debate after that.

01:22:30.500 And yeah, you know, you get that first time because the rest of the debates don't start

01:22:33.980 for another week or two.

01:22:34.860 And this is a debate to them, to a conservative audience.

01:22:37.160 So check it out, follow our channels.

01:22:38.900 You'll see it when it comes up.

01:22:40.400 I guess tomorrow, I got a fellow named Gar Gar on. He's been actually an activist in the forest lawn and things trying to, because we're talking, we got urban crime issues. We got gang issues. We got a lot of challenges going on and young people, you know, addiction issues, things like that. And Gar has actually been working on the ground a lot. You know, I like seeing proactive things. And he's trying to work with youth and people like that to avoid them getting on that bad path. You know, we got the government saying we can ban guns and stop gang crime and things like that.

01:23:10.040 It obviously doesn't work, but trying to get youth before they get in trouble.

01:23:14.400 That's the way to do it.

01:23:15.140 It's going to be a good conversation with him.

01:23:16.920 I think I have Tony Bernardo, the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.

01:23:19.560 As I said earlier, he's going to come on.

01:23:20.860 We'll talk some firearm issues and things like that, which of course we can always talk

01:23:24.760 at length about.

01:23:26.180 And yeah, we'll go from there.

01:23:27.620 And Cheryl asking what happened to the sixth at the debate?

01:23:30.880 Yes, you're absolutely right.

01:23:32.260 It was Patrick Brown, who's not attending it.

01:23:34.760 He's running the most bizarre leadership campaign I've ever seen.

01:23:38.360 He won't talk to the media.

01:23:39.280 He doesn't talk to the mainstream media.

01:23:40.800 He doesn't talk to us.

01:23:41.700 He doesn't show up for debates.

01:23:44.120 I have no idea what the hell he thinks he's doing.

01:23:47.760 I mean, it's got to be somewhat serious.

01:23:49.140 He spent $300,000 to get into the thing, but he won't talk to anybody.

01:23:54.880 I don't know.

01:23:55.420 I mean, I'm not the world's greatest master of campaign management, but I do understand

01:24:02.020 that you've got to get your candidate exposed to people a little bit if you want to win

01:24:05.200 a vote.

01:24:05.580 and in keeping Patrick cloistered like that,

01:24:09.220 I'm just not sure where the hell they're going. 0.92

01:24:11.860 Michelle Rempel jumped on as his campaign chair.

01:24:14.440 I just don't know what these guys think they're doing.

01:24:17.020 So they're even dodging debates.

01:24:19.900 This debate is going to be held at the,

01:24:22.700 as I said, it's the Canada Strong and Free Network.

01:24:24.540 That used to be the Manning Centre.

01:24:25.820 I mean, this is the big annual gathering

01:24:28.600 of conservative, just conservative activists

01:24:33.500 and academics and people from all across Canada

01:24:35.300 every year. This is the big fair. This is the Super Bowl for them. What better place as a

01:24:41.140 conservative leadership candidate than to go there, not just to participate in the debate,

01:24:47.600 which is important because you're really reaching out to those people, but just to network. I mean,

01:24:52.200 this is where you're going to find fellow conservatives, donors, volunteers, things like

01:24:58.440 that. I mean, it's essential to go to something like this. You have to be completely batshit mad

01:25:03.500 not to go to this if you were a conservative leadership candidate, yet here's Patrick Brown.

01:25:08.840 It's not turning up for it. Even the mainstream media, they don't left leaning mainstream media.

01:25:13.180 They were complaining because Patrick Brown won't give them any time. They can't get an interview

01:25:17.320 with him. I didn't have an interview with him. I've had most of the leadership candidates on

01:25:20.420 this show already and we can't get Brown. So I just, it's bizarre. Cheryl's point, no, yeah,

01:25:28.620 Candice Malcolm is going to be one of the moderators there. 1.00

01:25:31.560 It should be a good event.

01:25:34.180 So make sure to tune in at that time, guys.

01:25:35.840 We'll cover it and we'll get my talk about it.

01:25:38.380 And come back in tomorrow.

01:25:39.580 We got Daniel Smith at 9 o'clock in the morning again with her show

01:25:42.640 and myself back at 11.30 to round off the weekend.

01:25:47.160 So thanks for tuning in today, guys, and I'll see you tomorrow at 11.30.

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Western Standard - May 06, 2022

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