Triggered: Welcome Back To The Abortion Debate
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Summary
Happy Cinco de Mayo! It's the second biggest drinking holiday in Mexico, and it's a great excuse to get out and have a good time. Today's guest is Tarek El-Naga, a candidate in the upcoming Tory leadership debate.
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Good morning. It's May 5th, 2022. Welcome to Triggered. Hey, happy Cinco de Mayo to all
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our Mexican friends. We've seen a lot of people come in the comments, scroll from all across
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the country, and I love seeing that people from all over tuning in and checking this
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stuff out. I haven't had a lot of Mexican audience yet, though, but we'll see. Either
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way, Cinco de Mayo, for those who aren't familiar with it, it's a yearly celebration on May
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25th, which is the literal translation from Spanish. And it commemorates the anniversary
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of Mexico's victory over the French Empire at the Battle of Puebla in 1862. Nobody really cares
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about that. The main thing with Siquita de Mayo is it's the second best drinking holiday after
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St. Patrick's Day. It's an excuse to get out there and get ripped and have a good time.
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Do so responsibly if you're going to, but hey, it's a good night for a couple of shots of tequila.
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take in some of the playoff games that'll be running tonight. Calgary is going to be
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playing yet again. And, you know, safely enjoy some tequila and try to get through tomorrow.
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That's the hardest part. Seis de Mayo is much harder than Cinco when reality comes in. So this
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afternoon, also just I should announce and remind, we're going to have a live special at about 3.30.
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There's going to be a live stream on our channels here for the Conservative Party
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of Canada's Leaders' Debate at the Canada Strong and Free Conference in Ottawa.
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We're going to have a direct live stream onto that.
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Dave and I will be introducing it and watching it and then talking about it afterwards.
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Five out of six of them will be participating in that one.
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We are also, we have been released from YouTube jail.
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The suffering, the horrors, the things behind closed doors,
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the things I had to do to get special privileges in that jail. I won't relate to all of you,
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but either way, we are back on YouTube. So to those of you, I'm not seeing any commenters
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for YouTube. We probably lost a good number of them while we were shut down. And I'm certain
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a lot of them migrated over to our other channels on Facebook and Rumble and LinkedIn and the rest.
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So if you're here on YouTube again, we didn't disappear. We got shut out. You know, that's
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one of the frustrating things when you get shut off from YouTube, it doesn't give a message to
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viewers or listeners or anything to say why they're not on YouTube, it just suddenly we're
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not producing anything. And they figure maybe we just disappeared. That's not the case. We weren't
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allowed to. If you're tuning in for YouTube today, though, I would strongly suggest joining our
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Rumble channel or even on Facebook. That's where the vast majority of our viewers come from. But
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we just can't rely on some of those social media giants. They censor, they block, they punish. And
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you know, if we disappear again, look for us on Rumble. Better to join that and subscribe there
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first. Okay, today I got a guest's Maverick Party leadership candidate, Tarek El Naga is just going
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to check in. They've got a kind of a debate forum coming this weekend, actually, that I'll be
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moderating west of Calgary. So we'll talk quickly about that and where that race is going. It's
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kind of the forgotten party in the west, but they're still at it out there. Melissa M. Barkey
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of the McDonnell-Laurier Institute is going to come on. She's great. You know, we've had her on
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before. People familiar with her on social media know that she works in the energy sector, but
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she's also a very proud and involved First Nations citizen and person and speaks very outspoken on
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those issues. I want to talk to her about energy development and First Nations. You can see her
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frustration because people are always trying to put words in the mouths of First Nations citizens
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and what their thoughts are on those things. So it'll be a good chat with Melissa today.
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Now, with what's got me going, yeah, you know, here we are again, right? Welcome back to the
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great abortion debate. I'm sure most of you are as thrilled with this development as I am.
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As I said on Twitter, I'd rather teabag a wasp's nest and go back to that divisive, ugly, and
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irresolvable debate. It's never going away. Nobody's ever going to be satisfied with it.
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Yet here we are. It doesn't matter what I want. The debate has landed in our laps, and ignoring
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it isn't going to make it go away. Now, there are some people thrilled with this debate coming here,
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though, and that's Canada's left. The left in Canada is utterly thrilled with the development
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in the USA where it appears that the Supreme Court might toss out the Roe v. Wade decision.
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Legislatively, the American decision doesn't directly mean a damn thing to us. In public
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discourse, though, it's shifted the nation into waters where the left thrives on division and
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virtue signaling. Trudeau, of course, immediately jumped into the mix and declared his staunch
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support for women's abortion rights in a tweet. The tweet was bait. It was modeled to bring out
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pro-life cpc members and the cpc leadership recognized that quickly issued a missive calling
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for their mps to remain silent on the issue okay but the problem then was that had the left thrilled
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is they can then accuse the conservatives of having a hidden agenda and the pro-life members
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of the party who do make up a significant portion of the membership well then they feel ignored and
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furious as their prime issue isn't even discussed so mistrust among the conservative party has been
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planted among Canadians and internal division has been fostered among the party loyal. What a gift
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for the Liberals. In Alberta, we're seeing Rachel Notley doing the same thing as she demands strong
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commitments from Jason Kenney and his entire caucus that they're going to protect the right
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of abortion for women. While Kenney won't pretend not to be pro-life, he's never shown any intention
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or plans to make any changes to abortion access in Alberta. I mean, it really wasn't on the table.
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But it doesn't matter. Kenney and his party will never be able to deny an intention to change
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things strongly enough for the satisfaction of the NDP, and they're going to continue to sow
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distrust among Albertans. Trudeau's government is now hinting they're going to bring in abortion
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legislation into Canada. Because, you know, currently, we don't have any at all. And for
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most Canadians, we've just been fine with that. I mean, people have strong feelings about it,
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but they just, well, that's where it's sitting, and they leave it where it is, and it's resolved.
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Trudeau won't bring in legislation to really regulate or control abortion in any way. If he
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brings in anything at all, it's going to be a bill stridently affirming the right of unrestricted
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abortion for Canadians. In other words, just what we already have. So why table a bill that changes
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nothing and that nobody asked for? Well, this bill is going to open a trap for conservatives
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even more dangerous than Trudeau's tweet trying to bait a response out from those members.
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A bill enshrining abortion rights will bring the issue into the spotlight in Canada for months,
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maybe years. Conservatives who personally are pro-life will be forced to address this bill.
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They're either going to have to vote for it in the House of Commons or against it, you know, or abstain.
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If they abstain, they're going to be accused of a hidden agenda.
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If they vote against it, they're going to be accused of trying to ban abortion.
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So, yes, this whole issue is a gift for the progressives.
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And we're assuredly going to see similar actions in every legislature in Canada coming from left-leaning parties.
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The NDP in Saskatchewan is jumping all over this, too, of course.
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And I imagine that the subject is going to come up constantly during the Ontario provincial election.
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I don't think for a second that Trudeau won't pull the pin
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saying we should just ignore the American court ruling,
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I don't know how we can prevent progressive parties in Canada from riding this issue into majority governments,
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but I do know that if we ignore it, they will get away with it.
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So, I mean, on a sad note, I've got to say today anyways,
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welcome back to the abortion debate, whether you like it or not.
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Might as well pay attention to it and see how we can deal with it.
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Okay, let's get on to some other issues outside of that.
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There's still a lot of news breaking all over that we don't hear enough about,
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And we'll bring in our news editor, Dave Naylor, to bring us up to date on stuff.
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Yeah, my chickadee friend, who I've named Satan, started at 538 this morning.
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So I was up bright and early with that, plotting all sorts of ways to kill him, basically, and try and get some sleep again.
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And then I leave for work, and it's an hour and a half to get to work because some idiot with the city of Calgary has figured it's okay to shut down three, not one, not two, but three separate roadways into the downtown so people can film.
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It's probably that HBO series that's been around here.
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But it was traffic gridlock, traffic chaos this morning.
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Not a single staff member was able to get to work on time.
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yeah i know and i mean that left me having to chair the staff meeting which you know didn't
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go well at all we didn't accomplish a heck of a lot but uh yeah it was just foolishness i mean
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you know these productions bring millions into the city and into the province and they're great
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and they employ a lot of people but i mean here's a little common sense there's lots of times when
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the sun is out that aren't in the midst of rush hour i don't know what they were thinking of at
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that time no it's uh it's utterly mind-boggling and hey uh we've got a brand new website uh up
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this morning. It looks very, very pretty. Unfortunately, the technical wizardry that's
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going on behind the scenes to get it up and running has meant that we really can't publish
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the usual cornucopia of copy that we have up by this time every day. So we've only got
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a couple of things to talk about this morning, Corey, one of them being our glorious Prime
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minister apparently dropped a net bomb in the commons yesterday during a debate so that's got
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everybody all in it is was and and the news story that goes along with the the abortion issue that
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you were talking about Corey with the liberals threatening in to bring in more or to bring in
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a abortion law if they need to quote unquote so as you say that issue is going to be with us
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as soon as the technical wizards give us a go ahead
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Well, do you think I can maybe grab a quick nap
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And yes, you know, I didn't mention that at the start of this.
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I believe we sent out an email to members, but we've migrated to like a whole new, you
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know, this is out of my, this is techie stuff, but a whole new website in a sense.
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You know, we were a WordPress based thing and we've moved on to a different sort of
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software and servers and the works. And there's been a bit of transition, of course. We've been
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prepping for it for a week, but still how we get the stories in, how we format them, all that good
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stuff. And we got now well over a dozen regular contributors and columnists all over the place
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in dozens when you measure them in, all having to learn this at the same time. Of course, it's got
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James pulling his hair out there trying to get everybody up to date on these things and the rest
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of us getting it going, but it's a big improvement. It really is. The site's much deeper now and more
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diverse. As I said, we've outgrew, you know, WordPress is a good basic platform to run things
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on, but it has a lot of limitations and we outgrew it. So watch for a bit of the hiccups. Some of the
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stuff might come on a little more slowly in the next couple of days, perhaps even. Who knows?
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It's gone fairly good so far. I mean, when 11 o'clock hit today, we thought, oh, we'll see what
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happens. Is the world going to blow up? But it was much like the Y2K thing. You know, we were worried
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about a heck of a lot and things seem to have gone okay. It's just a heck of a lot of little
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details we'll have to struggle with and mess around with to get it going. But it's a good
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development in general there. So let's see what else we've got. Maybe I will start with that.
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I might as well talk about that with the Trudeau thing. So it was in the House of Commons, a heated
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debate, as many of them are these days, of course. And it sounds like Justin Trudeau blasted out
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after the mic had turned off, after a statement, an F-bomb. So he's been questioned on that. And
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we got a little video clip of his response. And then I'll talk a little further if we run the
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clip there. Okay, we won't run the clip. Either way, yes, so Justin Trudeau came out with an F-bomb.
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There's been some speculation on social media. I've heard people talking about, oh, it was a
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six-letter word that he used, not the four-letter word, and I think, you know, maybe he'll clarify
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some stuff, too. Some people are saying, oh, he said something with a six-letter word that was
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derogatory to the LGBTQ community. There's that F word there that, uh, nobody is terribly fond of.
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And no, I don't, from all I can gather, that's not what he said. It was the one where somebody's
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talking about fornicating another person's mother. Uh, if we get the video rolling, I can get that
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response. No, we can't get the video rolling. Okay. Either way, uh, Justin came out with, uh,
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he was questioned on it in a hallway and, uh, by reporters. And, uh, uh, so Cheryl saying a six
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letter F-bomb followed by a three-letter word. What I'd heard was two six-letter words together.
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I don't know. There's no recording of it, and it's not in hand, sir. But a number of
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people definitely heard it firsthand. It sounds like he
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definitely unparliamentary behavior. And his response
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to it when questioned, I think we might have that video on deck.
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What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say you move your
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lips in a particular way? Okay, all right. Yeah. What the hell was that? So that was his response
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to that. He was trying to be witty. You know, when you're witty and you don't have the tools
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to be witty, don't try. So I think he had something in his mind that he thought he was
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going to respond that was going to be smart. But again, you know, things jumble around and we got
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the usual incomprehensible word salad from Justin Trudeau on that. Now, it's funny, because this
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has been coming up all week. This is the third time in the last couple of months that we've seen
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this. We saw it in the Alberta legislature with the government house leader, it sounds like,
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dropped an F-bomb. Horgan in BC dropped an F-bomb. So the swears are coming out in these
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legislatures and at these question periods, and people get upset about it. Look, I don't really
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care. I don't want to see our legislators blasting back and forth with expletives at each other
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across the floor during every question period. It does look unprofessional. It doesn't sound good.
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But I've also sat one-on-one with enough politicians over the years to know that
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their mouths aren't much better than most truckers when they're actually casually speaking off the
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record, as are many other people. It's not a classy way to go. It's not a good thing.
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But that doesn't, so it doesn't concern me so much that Trudeau got worked up and it slipped
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out with an F-bomb. What gets me is that he's an idiot. That's the problem. That's the issue.
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I mean, this is the man in the most senior position of the country. And when asked about it,
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he tossed out that weird, incomprehensible little statement and took off. I mean,
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it shows the arrogance of him and the foolishness of him. That worries me. That worries me far more
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But the thing is with, you got to give it to Pierre.
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played it and shrugged it off. It still displayed arrogance, but that's what he did. The problem
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with Justin is he doesn't have his daddy's smarts. So he tried to come up with something
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witty to turn it around. And again, as usual, looked like a buffoon, which constantly embarrasses
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this bloody country. It really does. So either way, that's kind of an issue of the day. Not a
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huge one, not a big one, but I do think it does demonstrate a larger issue again of the incompetence
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of the guy we have in the prime minister's chair.
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God, I can see from the political strategy point of view,
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they love him in Montreal and that's all the love he needs to keep getting in there and being the
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prime minister and now with this wedge issue because we've started to see Pierre Polyev gaining
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steam with the leadership and the party has been climbing in the polls but if they can somehow turn
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this into a whole you know debate over abortion I tell you what the conservatives will lose they
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lose every time on that one they're on the defensive and they're in trouble so this was a
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gift. And, uh, you know, Trudeau might be a twit, but he does have some advisors around him with
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some brains and they are going to use this, you know? So I just, I'm just mortified with it.
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So he's playing his games with those things. Uh, so, I mean, I'll get into some things before we
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get to our guest too. He should be on soon. And the reminder actually, so we got the new website
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and part of the reason we did that, you know, is we've outgrown things that our traffic has been
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take out subscriptions, and that's how we can do this.
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You'll see on the website, we're dividing by regions
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Yeah, you know, Rhodes Zep saying human sexuality should not be regulated.
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These are protections for individual rights and freedoms over one's body.
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If it's not harmful, how can the government be the keeper of human sexuality and reproduction?
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And we don't have any legislation on abortion right now.
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I'm not going to go so much into where I land on it and so on.
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I'm a libertarian. The less government we have in, the better. The main thing is allowing
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individual choice. Some of the hypocrisy that's been interesting in all of this, of course, too,
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though, is suddenly the sanctity of one's body is paramount again, as it should be.
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But the same people screaming that from the rooftops right now are also the ones that had
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no problem with coerced vaccination. They took no issue with people losing their jobs because
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they didn't want to get vaccinated, or not being able to travel or visit family because
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they've been vaccinated, you know, not even getting into hospitals because they haven't
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been vaccinated, not crossing the border because they haven't been vaccinated.
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Their rights to the sanctity of their body didn't matter.
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But I absolutely support everybody's right to choose.
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So as for that question, like I said, when I was talking in the rant,
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And it's not like he's going to change anything.
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It's just going to say that we want to entrench the fact that we don't do anything.
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I hate to say it, but it's going to be very effective.
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Here's some areas, too, where left is becoming right, or I don't know.
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I mean, they're starting to value individual rights.
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So the AGM of the Saskatchewan Union of Nurses, they voted to remove all mandatory vaccination
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language from their position statement, and they're not going to require their union members
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now what the Saskatchewan Health Authority does, I don't know. So a member of the Saskatchewan
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Nurses Union spoke with the standard out there on the condition of anonymity, though, because again,
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they fear reprisals from their employers. But according to that member at their ADM that they
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held, the members voted to say, that's it, let's change the union position, removing the word
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mandatory, and changing it to encouraged. That's a big difference, guys. And that's back from, again,
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the unions are finally realizing what they were supposed to do, and that's to stand up for the
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the rights of their members to have a choice and maintain their employment and
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hold their jobs. I'm still not a big fan of unions, but at least some common sense has
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drifted into the Saskatchewan nurses one, whether or not Saskatchewan, the health authority will
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Is that for a Cinco de Mayo sort of play on things?
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And we were looking for something that was easy, simple, was inspired by one of my Twitter followers, Kelly.
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And it just does work all the better today, I guess.
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you know, and I've spoken, so just to bring everybody back up to date, and it's hard to,
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so many issues going on. You're with the Maverick Party. The Maverick Party is holding a leadership
00:25:29.720
race right now. Jay Hill has been the interim leader for quite some time. You're getting near
00:25:34.060
the end of that race, and it's yourself and Colin Krieger running in it. What are the timelines on
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it? Correct. So there's nine days left. So membership cutoff is passed now. So if you're
00:25:45.620
already a member of the maverick party it's done and on may the 13th our members will be getting
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electronic and or mail-in depending on what they've opted for but the vast majority have opted
00:25:58.360
for electronic voting and on the 14th the vote will be made and in the evening of the 14th we
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will have an announcement uh at the big rock brewery where uh we'll get the new leader of
00:26:09.560
the Maverick Party. Great. So where do we go with things? I mean, I'll go into some of this to the
00:26:17.060
general questions. I mean, with the ones you're reaching out to as a leadership candidate, of
00:26:20.700
course, the ones who already have memberships, the cutoffs passed, but you're still developing
00:26:23.540
and pushing for the party. You guys, you know, you've got a tough road to hoe. I mean, it's the
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federal front. The federal conservative race is kind of stealing your oxygen a little bit right
00:26:34.740
now. What can you say to the viewers and such as to why they should get involved with the Maverick
00:26:38.820
party in general and what the Maverick can offer them? You know, the federal, I'm not too fussed
00:26:43.540
with the federal conservative leadership race. And the reason being is I've yet to see any one
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of the candidates put out a Western specific platform. So it's very easy for us to hold
00:26:55.280
whoever becomes the leader of the federal conservatives accountable as to what are you
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going to do about the West? Not one of them has talked about scrapping equalization or equalization
00:27:06.460
reform um not one of them has talked about you know what are specific issues to western canada
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and they'll go after a little hanging fruit like oh we'll drop the carbon tax but that's about it
00:27:16.540
and then the other thing as well is i'm not worried about them running as candidates today
00:27:20.380
it's what happens when they do become leader and they have to run for a toronto vote and then start
00:27:25.260
moving the party again to appease toronto rather than western canada so i think i think they'll i
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i think they'll make our jobs easy i think again they are focused on forming government they are
00:27:36.140
focused on winning a vote in montreal and toronto we you and i have seen for the past seven years
00:27:42.700
that the voter of toronto and montreal will actively vote against the interests of western
00:27:47.180
canada so that's what they're going to have to go up against uh you know that's the beauty of
00:27:52.140
the maverick party we only have voters to look after in western canada and don't have to switch
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out the party platform to appease a voter anywhere east of manitoba yeah well and that's a very good
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point to make and uh jay hell's been adamant about it and and i believe yourself in the past like
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that's one of the hard and fast rules i mean there's some questions on what's going to be
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defined as the independence or standing up for the west or things but the one thing that's solid
00:28:19.020
is this party is not going to move past uh east of manitoba absolutely and again i've used this
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example before and i think we talked about it cory on your show is i i take inspiration sadly
00:28:31.260
from yfrancois manchette um saying you know i i watched him at the federal debates and he says
00:28:36.740
i'm never going to be prime minister i don't care about being prime minister i don't care
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about forming government but what quebec wants quebec gets um and i'm thinking where is that
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person for the west you know so that's why i'm running i'm running to be that person for the west
00:28:49.840
it says well you want you want these 50 seats of maverick to support your government and i've been
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very clear about this we'll support a cpc government before we before we support a liberal
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government any day of the week um but again you and i know this governments are formed out of
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toronto once you win toronto you become prime minister and hoping that toronto votes for the
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interests of of the west is not a political strategy it's not one i'm banking on yeah well
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Well, and it's something I've kind of always said, it's frustrating and it gets to us,
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but when a federal party caters to Central Canada, don't take it personally, it's just math.
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You can't win this country without catering to Central Canada.
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That's just the way it goes, and that's what a person has to face.
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So they either have to accept that you're always going to be beholden to Central Canada,
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You can win, you take that statement and add to it,
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you can win the country without a single vote in Western Canada.
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So you do not need, I mean, we've shown the last elections,
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Alberta and Saskatchewan, all but a couple of seats, all blue,
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Like that's the sad part is you really, it really doesn't matter.
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And this is something that led to the frustration
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with the reform party, you know, going way back, but that, uh, and there's a lot of good
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conservative members of parliament and organizers and so on. They can be prone to taking Western
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seats for granted as well. It's not healthy for your democracy. If you've got a writing that
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consistently votes 80% in support for your party, uh, then they can ignore you because they pretty
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much know they've got it in the bag and that doesn't do any favor. So, I mean, they need a
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little competition, somebody coming up their flank to, to keep them honest. Exactly. You know,
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there's a big difference, Corey, between vote gathering and vote earning. And we have no vote
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earning in the West. You're absolutely right. If you're wearing a blue t-shirt and you're running
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in a rural riding in Alberta or Saskatchewan, you know you're getting in. But what have you
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offered in terms of value? What have you offered in terms of Western autonomy or Western issues
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or so on? And we've seen that in the Andrew Scheer caucus. We've seen that in the Aaron O'Toole
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caucus as erin o'toole started making concessions to um quebec over and over again and saying you
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know the the canada needs a prime minister from the gta and kind of okay all of you 50 conservative
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mps from the west just be quiet sit this one out stay in your homes and you're going to win this
00:31:27.100
anyways so do nothing um and don't go against my message and i remember him saying you know
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if you don't like the carbon plan that i've put out you're out of my caucus so they all stayed
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silent so that's the problem is they'll always be beholden and i'll look at the leadership race
00:31:40.420
right now corey you have five candidates running in ontario uh ridings um and one in quebec uh so
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where's the western representation from a leadership standpoint and the one western
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candidate was in they disqualified despite him meeting the entry requirements uh and they kind
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of buried that one so where where are we with the conservatives again it's the hush hush don't worry
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about the west we'll get their votes anyway we don't need to earn them and that's my challenge
00:32:11.540
yeah well and you've got a challenge as well of just general organization and getting a small
00:32:15.540
party a new party going whether it's yourself or mr krieger uh you got a lot of work to do i mean
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but there is support i i see denise martin one of our commenters saying we need you in bc too and
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you guys do exist in bc but you've got a presence to build out there you kind of got your work cut
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out to spread out i mean you're still a bit alberta centric well no i would say we're really
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strong in alberta and saskatchewan uh we've got very strong province in both manitoba just formed
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all 14 electoral writing districts have just formed associations which is a pretty big and
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then we've got really strong presence whether candidates or writings in northeastern bc to
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start with um so i'd say but but you're absolutely right as an as a startup party one of the things
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that i'm proposing in my leadership platform that we need to leverage and any party in western
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canada doesn't do it and doesn't do it well is electronic messaging we're still relying on ultra
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traditional campaigning techniques of door knocking and town halls where five people show up in a drab
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neon lit room that's not going to win the west we need a strong assertive message strong advertising
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and a strong, I mean, the biggest channel we could do right now is electronic and get in people's
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hands. And that's the future of the Maverick Party for me and the future of campaigning for us is
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really, really strong electronic campaigning so that if I do my job right in a year's time,
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whether you support us or not, everybody knows about the Maverick Party because right now they
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don't. The commenter, Jennifer Schofield, I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. I was pointing
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out yes i understand like everybody thinks of lower mainland bc and the way they vote and forgets
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that most of the rest of the bc isn't that way but she also pointed out something interesting
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and there's some ground that that federal parties haven't really dipped into because there isn't
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many seats there is uh you know saying that they're closer to the yukon or uh even the northwest
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territories i mean these are massive resource laden areas that have some some serious issues
00:34:12.460
again with development and a lot of potential but we really don't hear much about them in the
00:34:17.500
federal front at all sadly again you see the thing is you don't even need provinces to form
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governance you need cities if you win montreal toronto and vancouver it's done your prime
00:34:29.180
minister that's it uh and you could literally you know you hear the expression fly over states fly
00:34:34.700
over provinces you could fly over manitoba alberta northeast bc and skip it entirely and you've formed
00:34:41.420
government so what i'm you know my platform is now to start pushing for full and complete legislation
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of autonomy for western camp so is pushing um every federal piece of um every federal institution
00:34:56.460
that manages your life and mine let's push that back into the provinces and when it comes to bc
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you're absolutely right like i think of northern bc northeast bc etc very resource rich and in
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terms of a culture work ethic um thought process etc not dissimilar to alberta too you know like
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i've done a lot of work in fort st john uh in the gas country there and it is just the same kind of
00:35:20.460
work ethic um and it's beautiful country out there so i think we could establish presence there yes
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you're absolutely right vancouver city like i mean or vancouver island would i ever run a maverick
00:35:32.460
candidate there probably not because i mean um again it's it's if you at least for the first go
00:35:38.760
when you're really looking at winnable ridings and ridings that have a strong return on investment
00:35:43.020
those would not be the ones but absolutely northern bc 100 and we go from there
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right on well uh before i let you go so that there is uh an event coming up this sunday at the the
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bear's paw uh community center actually i'm gonna be uh emceeing that will be yes um and just to
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remind all the listeners i mean i'm friendly on these issues and everything i don't hold any
00:36:04.620
party memberships i'm not necessarily endorsing the maverick i just like seeing these exercises
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so i'm happy to take part in it absolutely we're honored to have you as a moderator and that's
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exactly it is you're an unbiased moderator that's coming in party neutral right but it but you come
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with that experience of asking questions so we have one um it's bear spa on sunday but then we
00:36:23.780
have one on okotoks as well or sorry yeah in okotoks on saturday so those are coming up we'd
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love to see you there yeah so i just wanted to remind people too if they wanted to meet you or
00:36:32.780
colin or jay hill or any of the other organizers that are involved in the party in that there's
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that opportunity though for the old traditional uh face-to-face to be able to get some questions
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in or meet folks and get a little deeper dive into what the party's about and getting organized so
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i imagine there's details on both of those events on the maverick party website correct they are
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they're on our socials and our website you betcha okay and yeah and i think they were talking about
00:36:55.840
I mean, Sunday, you know, it's at the Bears Paw.
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It will be Mother's Day, but anybody bringing their mom, I think they were going to offer
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Just a bit of a thank you there for all moms.
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Yeah, and just make sure to take her out for dinner after that.
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Okay, well, thank you very much for joining me today.
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I'll see you in person on Sunday, and well, good luck in the race there.
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You got you and Colin going head-to-head, and we're going to know within a couple weeks.
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Yes, Tarek's been on before, Tarek El Naga, and yeah, he ran for the party in the past. He's been a good voice for just Western autonomy and speaking up for rights out here. And they do have a race going on. It's hard to get attention. It's hard to stand out, you know, in times like this. There's so much going on, but they're working hard at it.
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you know, the time that people will turn to this party will be the time when the conservatives
00:37:49.220
turn on the West. And guys, it happens every time. It happens every time. We get taken for granted.
00:37:53.940
We get left behind. I find it's not so much when the liberals screw the West, when you see more
00:37:58.840
regionalism building up, because we expected of them. It's when conservatives screw the West that
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we lose it. It was when Mulroney hooped the West. You know, it was the CF-18 deal in Winnipeg,
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things like that. That's when the Reform Party got formed. And unfortunately, you know, well,
00:38:15.280
it depends how you want to look at it. But if you look at the Alberta history,
00:38:18.520
the National Energy Program, of course, just milked the West. It traumatized us. There was a large
00:38:23.920
independence movement on the go. I mean, they'd won a seat in Alberta with Kessler and Doug Christie
00:38:30.540
was running the Western Canada concept. Reform actually kind of sucked the oxygen out of them
00:38:36.300
Because if the reform hadn't been formed, I think there would have been a much stronger independence movement in the West at that time.
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But it gave hope for a triple E Senate and all those things.
00:38:44.820
And the reasoning for that, too, though, was that the Mulroney Conservatives did not do the West any favors, even though the West overwhelmingly elected them.
00:38:54.100
Mulroney had the largest majority in Canadian history at that time.
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He handed it off to Kim Campbell, and they got slaughtered down to two seats.
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who's running for the conservative leadership now
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then you've got that alternative. You've got that option to say, you know, I don't have to put up
00:39:37.720
with you guys. I've got somewhere else I could take my vote, my donation, my volunteering,
00:39:41.140
whatever it might be. So, I mean, I've always said that as well, just as a Democrat, the more
00:39:45.660
parties, the better. And, you know, I want to see that mix. I want to see those races and quit
00:39:50.120
cowering in fear for vote splits, guys. If you live in fear of that, then you're always going
00:39:54.720
to be voting for, at best, what you see as a lesser of evils. And that's not a positive way
00:39:59.360
to vote. It's not good for you. So, uh, you know, stay conservative with the federal party. So be
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it if that's your thing, but make sure to mention it to those members then. Hey, say, Hey, you know,
00:40:08.980
I've got an alternative, you know, uh, it's, it's like the young days when you got a girlfriend
00:40:13.720
who you're not, so, you know, maybe she's, uh, uh, checking out other, uh, sources. We'll just
00:40:18.920
got to remind them that, yeah, well, you know, you've got other alternatives too. And just still
00:40:23.480
try to build a relationship rather than keep looking the other way. Uh, so yeah, see a couple
00:40:27.700
the folks somebody talking uh denise uh is coming from uh chetwind there yeah i spent time up that
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way too you speak at fort st john and i did a lot of heli portable work down in tumblr ridge
00:40:37.460
and between chetwind and tumblr and if you guys got any resource up there it's grizzly bears holy
00:40:41.920
cow that area is just crawling with those things as a surveyor they uh gave me a lot of the gray
00:40:47.720
hair i have today uh beautiful country up there though there's some really underrated mountains
00:40:52.440
in northern BC. And then I see Jennifer's in Terrace there, and that's getting towards the
00:40:57.840
northwest coast, I guess you could say, of BC. Some rugged country out there and beautiful,
00:41:02.520
great salmon fishing if you want to get out that way. Good to see that audience coming from all
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over. And again, these are regions that we hear of that, well, we don't hear of enough. These are
00:41:10.460
Canadians. These are citizens. These are people with concerns, and they aren't getting them heard.
00:41:14.660
So maybe Maverick will change some of that. Yeah, Christine in the Fraser Valley. So we've got,
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it's good to see that many people in the BC audience. And I know there's that frustration,
00:41:25.180
you know, I mean, we get people, if you go into the area of South of Radium there, you know,
00:41:30.920
with Invermere and all the way down to Cranbrook and that, a lot of those BC citizens record,
00:41:38.160
they identify more as Albertans than BC because while they do most of their business, you know,
00:41:44.620
Calgary and Lethbridge are a lot closer to them to deal with and Vancouver and things like that.
00:41:49.100
And they certainly, they don't vote NDP in those areas.
00:41:52.540
You drift over to Nelson, you get a special little pocket of people out that way.
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But BC is a diverse province and people come from a lot of directions out there.
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And one of the things that is interesting with Vancouver, I think it's one of the most
00:42:03.280
fascinating ridings in Canada in a lot of ways, is that's one of the ones where ridings
00:42:10.960
You don't know where they're going to go in Vancouver.
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We used to have a solid small C reform conservative
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and right next to him would be a NDP member of parliament
00:42:32.320
I mean, there's definitely a heck of a lot more
00:42:43.600
You know, and ridings that are in play are the ones where you can have the most influence,
00:42:47.540
even as a minor party, because if you can take a bite out of the support of one of those
00:42:51.080
candidates significantly, then they have to start paying attention to what you're offering
00:42:58.800
It's difficult, as we said, when you get to, you know, ridings like I live in, you know,
00:43:02.160
south of Calgary, and I think it's like 75, 80% conservative.
00:43:06.880
but it also doesn't help for getting much traction or influence upon your elected officials
00:43:13.700
because they know they got your writing in the bag, and that's just not healthy.
00:43:17.360
Let's look at some new stuff before we get to Melissa here.
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I got, looks like the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms has sent a legal warning letter
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to the, you know, getting into BC again, the Columbia Shuswap Regional District
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demanding the accommodation of a fallen peer firefighter's COVID-19 vaccine exemption.
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This will be probably one of the things I'll talk to him about.
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Boy, the JCCF, they have been busy this last couple of years
00:43:43.980
with this whole COVID nightmare and the protests
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So in this case, yeah, Craig Nygaard of Solista, BC,
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And he's seeking an exemption based on research
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with it. And the fact that he has naturally acquired immunity to COVID, I'm guessing that
00:44:09.280
means he's probably contracted it and recovered from it, as most people at this point have gotten
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to. And he says it would, accepting this medical procedure would violate his conscious and religious
00:44:19.440
convictions. That's the case that's going forward. You know, I wish at the very best, I'm not a
00:44:26.540
religious man, but again, you got to respect other people's beliefs and what they're going to do. And
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if their religion, what do you judge what religion says this or that, or it was right or wrong when
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If they feel that they shouldn't be taking an injection based on that,
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You see, these vaccine mandates are at the point now of spite.
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I mean, we have seen, if we're talking about research,
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They don't make a bloody difference in the spread of the virus.
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there's no point forcing and coercing people to get these things.
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They won't. Nothing is going to make them get that vaccination, shy of tying them down and
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sticking the needle in their arm, which we haven't gotten to that point. Maybe we never get there.
00:45:14.280
So accept it, live with it, get over it. Because what do we got now? We have these small communities,
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volunteer firefighters. These are people that are integral to the community. They make people
00:45:22.820
safer. They're putting their own lives on the line to help their neighbors, to put out fires,
00:45:27.640
respond to emergencies, do traffic control at accidents. Small town volunteer firefighters,
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The men and women who do that, they're local heroes, guys.
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We're sidelining a bunch of them because we demand vaccination that's not making anybody any safer.
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They're pissed off that people who've chosen not to get vaccinated have done so.
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So they just want to make their lives as miserable as possible.
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So stop it. Leave them alone. It's done. Let the ones who choose to get vaccinated get vaccinated.
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As I said, I did. I don't have a problem with it, but I have no problem if a co-worker or a volunteer
00:46:12.460
firefighter around me or a nurse or anybody else chooses not to. That's their business, not mine.
00:46:18.120
So the JCCF has a challenge. Hopefully, hopefully they win because that's just a micro issue.
00:46:24.040
That's happening all over the place. Let's speak on some rights. I'll get that to add out of the
00:46:29.600
way while we get ready for Melissa. And I shouldn't say that we get it out of the way.
00:46:35.280
They're important. You know, these are the guys that help us go. And not only you guys with your
00:46:38.400
memberships, but these sponsors that we bring in and they reflect a lot of our viewers. And that's
00:46:42.220
the Canadian Shooting Sports Association. These guys, again, have been a longtime good sponsor
00:46:47.100
for us. They're a fantastic organization and they have a lot of resources there for you.
00:46:53.300
They're an association as the technical term goes. It's a gathering of firearm owners,
00:46:58.660
people into shooting sports who want to share resources, network, things like that. They have
00:47:05.320
videos on safe firearm use. They have links to, you know, upcoming gun shows, events, things like
00:47:10.920
that. And most importantly of all, they have legal challenges and they do lobbying on your behalf as
00:47:17.120
a firearm owner, because we have a government that's always trying to take your property away.
00:47:20.720
They won't give up. They're always trying to take your firearms and they need to be pushed back.
00:47:27.420
If you don't fight back, they win automatically.
00:47:30.600
Sometimes it sucks if you do fight back and they still win.
00:47:34.640
The Canadian Shooting Sports Association is fighting on your behalf,
00:47:37.400
but they need your membership in order to do so.
00:47:41.100
It's well worth it if you enjoy firearms or you want to enjoy.
00:47:43.640
Even if you don't enjoy firearms, but you respect other people's rights for it,
00:47:47.260
CSSA-CILA.org or just, again, Google them, Canadian Shooting Sports Association.
00:47:54.040
And actually, I'm going to have one of their representatives on this Friday,
00:47:56.480
Tony Bernardo. Boy, that's tomorrow. This week's going fast. So Tony's going to be on with me
00:48:00.040
tomorrow. We'll talk about some of those things. So check them out. All right. What else we got
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in the news? It's going to piss me off. Well, this is not got me too wound up, but this is
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still ongoing. This has been a big issue. And we, let's see, side discussions going on. So it's
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good. I like seeing the commentary going. So the UCP, getting into some Alberta stuff and partisan
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and stuff. They released a 14-point plan detailing how Deloitte Canada is going to conduct the audit
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of Premier Kennedy's leadership review vote. We got that craziness going on. It's coming near
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its end. It's going to be on the 18th that we'll get the results, I think. I don't know. These
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things are always late. It's just so bizarre and so crazy. Brian Jean did respond to it. He was on
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the show the other day, and he's also said that much of what he saw in it is good, but he has
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concerns. Apparently, they're going to be required to conduct a random audit of no fewer than 50
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party members of the list for March 19th to confirm the membership application details and
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the payment of the fee. That's 50 out of 58,600. Now, yeah, I guess if you pick 50 out of a random
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pile, I mean, I don't want to be too negative about this necessarily. If you pick 50 out and
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all 50 were confirmable and good, still, even though there's still a remaining large pile that
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weren't checked, it's probably a good indication that the integrity is pretty good. It is a small
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sample though. That number does sound very, very small and it says a minimum of 50. So I think
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maybe if they pulled out 50 and they found four that they couldn't confirm and there was a problem
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with these, then they're going to dig in deeper. They're going to pull out a lot more than 50. I'm
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just guessing this, but I do think that the company that's been hired is going to stick to
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their rules, you know, but the problem with this whole thing, the whole UCP thing, I don't think
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anybody's going to trust the results. They just won't. The party has played so many games and so
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much messing around and all of this stuff. I don't think many people are going to feel very confident
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about it. And then as was said too, I mean, I think it was a Rick Bell article. I, you know,
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I love reading the dinger stuff. I don't like pushing people away from the standard, but he's
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well worth reading, you know, get on there and read rich stuff. But he was, cause he, he cuts
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wherever he needs to. And, uh, he, he had, um, I've lost my thoughts out there. Oh, he was just
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talking about how 50% plus one, you know, it's, it's a number that the premier kind of keeps saying,
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but will the rest of the party accept that? That's the bigger question is, I mean, technically
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that's enough to maintain your spot, but, uh, uh, morally and going forward, or even is it
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sustainable because that means you've got 49% of your own party upset with you. And that's a
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pretty tough wound to heal. So we'll see what happens. I don't even want to roll the dice and
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guess what's going to happen in a couple of weeks. We just got to watch with interest and see what
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happens. So I see my guest in the lobby there. I won't keep her on hold any longer than I have to.
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I've wanted to get her on for a while there. Hey, Melissa, how are you doing? I'm good. How are you?
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Very good. Thanks. Well, I was ranting and raving, but that's what's good in my world.
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So just to remind everybody, if they've just recently tuned in too, that's Melissa Embarkey,
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and she's with the McDonnell Laurier Institute. And you're also a good Westerner and very involved
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in the energy sector and indigenous issues. So you just offer a very good, unique voice that
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we really appreciate. I'm glad we could get you on again today. Oh, you're welcome. Glad to be here.
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So, you know, we'll just get into the familiar turf. We see your debates and your discussions,
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Some of the frustration, I guess, you have on social media with the First Nations communities, in my view, are being used as a bit of a ping pong ball, kind of by both sides when it comes to development in areas, particularly in British Columbia, whether it's energy or even some other things.
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And people keep, I guess, saying that they're speaking on behalf of citizens out that way on either side.
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like the first there's not every First Nations person feels the same on the issue as every other
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one. And they've got to kind of cut that out. Yeah, we definitely have diversified voices. I
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mean, we're not a monolith. And I think we really have to get out of that mindset that we all have
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the same opinion, that we all agree on the same thing. We have to start changing that narrative
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for our communities because there's different voices out there. And a lot of the times the
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louder ones are the only ones that you're hearing. And that's not very fair to an entire community.
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No, and it's going to be becoming more acute, I imagine, in days to come right away. I mean,
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the energy prices just continue to climb and climb and climb. The need for energy products
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and getting stuff to port is becoming more acute. But it seems that activists are more inclined than
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ever to try and shut down, I mean, not just proposed projects, but some that are underway
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right now and that's going to put a lot of stress and harm among communities living along those
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areas that we're counting counting on those things for their local economy exactly once the community
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benefit agreements are signed a lot of the leaders you know they start thinking about what they can
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bring to their communities in terms of education in terms of elder resources youth resources that
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money is essentially already allocated to the services that they need so when projects don't
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go through they're backtracking you know and they're letting down their community members who
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not only wanted jobs and employment but who also wanted these programs and services that they so
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desperately need so we have to think of the long-term impacts not just for Canadians but
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for Indigenous people as well in these communities because you know we have to start looking at
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what's being taken away from them you know just when they thought they had an opportunity of
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economic development that's all squashed because of an activist because protesters don't agree
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with it and that essentially is wrong on so many levels well yeah and the activists who try to
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shut these you know industries down and things such as that and development in areas again are
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often from outside of those areas in the first place and they don't offer the alternative then
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well if this is shut down how are local people expected to pay the bills and pay for local
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infrastructure and, you know, pay for education and things that everybody else wants to. I mean,
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these are isolated areas with limited resources. They don't offer that alternative aside from
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saying, well, we should do more, perhaps just transfers of funds, but that doesn't help
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build a community. No, it definitely doesn't. I mean, if it did help, we would have seen
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communities prosper in the last few decades. You know, I left my community 17 years ago and I go
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back today and it looks exactly the same. So we can no longer depend on government handouts. We
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have to start figuring out ways to look after ourselves. And we have to ensure that communities
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are heard. And we also have to ensure that outsiders aren't speaking for us. You know,
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there might be a few who are disgruntled, but that's not the voice of the community. And if
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people wanted to know the truth of what's happening in these communities, go and meet with them. Like
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meet with a diversified group of people. You know, look at the ones who are saying yes and look at
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the ones who are saying no, and draw your opinion from that. Don't just listen to the loudest voice.
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That's it. I used to work in the energy sector for a couple of decades and getting into,
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in Northern Alberta communities, the local First Nations communities and reserves were often
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actually had a lot of great contractors and were very integrated in well servicing, exploration,
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maintenance, and it was good for the entire community. It kept people working. It was
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successful businesses. It just seems to be BC where it's hung up, where they seem to feel that
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they don't need these things or can't see the benefit of it. And it just, again, it frustrates
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to watch. I mean, the CGL pipeline in particular has been the flashpoint, but I can't see how
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that's going to be stopped. It's been built this far. What is it going to take to get that thing
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complete though? I mean, it's going to take, you know, going back for CGL, for example,
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the Witsuten community need to go back and, you know, come together as a community again.
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You know, this whole being, you know, separated and divisive about issues that has to that has to end, because if they're fighting about land issues and land claims, land rights, you know, they're doing that as a community, you know, for hereditary chiefs don't speak for an entire community, you know, they have to go through their membership and they have to make sure that they're including them.
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so you know it's either they go back to the drawing board and you know figure out new terms
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or you know they start listening to their community members who are in support of this
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pipeline who do have jobs because of this pipeline who do have you know small businesses because of
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it you know I just you know it's so divided that I don't I wouldn't even know where to begin for
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them and the BC government has been paying them you know to go back and you know resolve issues
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within their membership and seven million dollars would resolve any you know conflict in my community
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and they just seem to be at a standstill and it's very frustrating to watch yeah well nobody wants
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to see i mean these are tight communities the social structure and seeing neighbors fighting
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with neighbors over an issue that i mean it's not healthy for for the community as well i mean they
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can have different points of view within the community but when we see them playing against
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each other. I mean, it's just, it's sad to see, unfortunately. It is very sad. And I do hope
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they come together again. And I do hope they resolve their issues and just, you know, take
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the economic benefit that this pipeline is going to bring. And, you know, think of your people,
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think of everyone, not just the four hereditary leaders that are the loudest out there.
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Yeah. So to pivot to something on a bit of a broader issue, since one of our commenters,
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Cheryl Dawn brought it up and you've spoken on that on Twitter quite a bit. And a lot of people
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have. And that's what the clean drinking water, it's something we take for granted just about
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everywhere. We can turn on our tap and what comes out is safe. We can wash our clothes with it. We
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can drink it straight out of the tap. But countless First Nation communities can't do that. They can't
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seem to resolve this clean water issue. I mean, government after government has promised to do
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something about it. It never seems to get solved. But what Cheryl's asking, like, what is prohibiting
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it though? I mean, they keep saying they're going to address it. I believe some money is spent, but
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just never seems to work are there regulatory problems or what's happening with this uh what's
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ha what i've seen happening in my own community is that there's a lot of government red tape so
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we were on a boil water advisory you know 17 20 years ago and our issue was a simple filtration
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change essentially um what ended up happening was we spent about seven years going back and
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forth with the government you know not having a proper hydrologist come in and assess the
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situation and diagnose it you know it just kind of went on negotiations you know we had people
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coming out nothing was done and that's exactly what is going on in most communities you know
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they they don't hire directly um you know like an environmental company or like a drilling company
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they don't hire them directly to go into first nations communities and diagnose the issue they
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use their own internal staff to do that and they can drag this on for years which they have and
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each visit that they make you know they get paid for it you know they're not in no rush to fix our
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water issues and by the time money is allocated for these you know for these to fix the issues
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it's already gone through their federal department and probably only a third less than half of that
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money is is spent so that's where we are you know you you start the project you stop it because you
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have no money then you have to go back to the drawing board there's just too much red tape and
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i think we need to start eliminating these middle people and we need to start working with reserves
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directly and with water companies directly and have those two talk and maybe we would get a lot
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further and we'd get a lot more money for we get a lot more progress with the money that's allocated
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yeah well nobody can make something more efficient than a pack of bureaucrats unfortunately i mean if
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If you want to slow something down, those are the best people to bring it about.
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And yeah, it costs a fortune after study after study, and then we'll pass it to this desk and back.
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And meanwhile, you guys are still boiling water.
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Is there structural change, though, that perhaps could streamline that?
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Part of the problem is these First Nation communities are very tightly tied with the federal government.
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Would increasing more municipal style authority so that a community can directly source water experts to come in
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and set up a facility and show how to maintain one things like that like can we do that without
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changing the indian act we can definitely do that like we don't need consultant after consultant in
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the middle the when i knew there was an issue with with not just the water but with the bureaucrats
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was when i actually worked with the county you know and drilled a thousand plus wells for people
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and businesses they did this in four years and i i had to give my head a shake after that because
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i'm like why is this not working in first nations communities if it took you know four years to drill
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and pipe you know a thousand plus two thousand plus people why can't they do it for a hundred
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like my community is a hundred people um you know why couldn't they do that within a year not seven
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years it is just it's just mind-blowing i think there has to be a direct contact between first
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nations communities and outside water experts you know i i think we can cut out the federal
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government in that case but then that means that there's jobs on their end that are going to be
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lost because of it so i don't know i wouldn't even know where to begin but we just need to
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start coming up with solutions yeah and it's frustrating i mean it's i said i've been on
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on jobs where we'd move into temporary camp, they would drill a water well for the camp,
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have a filtration shack set up and everything in a pump shack. And within a week, we've got a,
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you know, 50 oil field guys in a small camp with clean locally sourced water right on the spot.
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How on earth is this so impossible? And it's across the country. It's in Ontario, it's in
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Labrador, it's in BC areas with lots of good water. It just needs systems. And it's just
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ridiculous that this is still an issue. Yes, I mean, it's still an issue now. You know,
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I think they're rationing water in my community because the well is drying up. So who knows how
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long it's going to take them to drill a well now? Like we just got over the filtration issue. Now
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we have no well. I mean, it's just very frustrating and it's an issue that could easily be solved
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if a First Nation Reserve worked like an oil and gas company and how they, you know, drill wells,
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you know, they get these projects done within months. So why are we having this issue? It just
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boggles my mind. It is a frustration. Maybe before I let you go, I know it's a, boy, it's a huge
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sensitive issue and a difficult one, but you know, the residential schools, the recent discoveries,
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the grave sites, where do we go from here? There's a huge question to throw at you. I'm just looking
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for, I guess, a smaller, concise thing, because there were still, there's a lot of questions
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up in the air. There's a lot of people, some people being insensitive, but at the same
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time, there's other people being, I think, a little bit too inflammatory on this issue.
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How can we take it seriously and get a productive outcome out of this, what's been at least
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I think what needs to be done this time around, you know, last time the federal government
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made their apologies, you know, when the students were compensated, we need to look beyond that
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now and we need to see what these communities need you know so we need to start asking for
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healing facilities drug and alcohol facilities i mean tangible stuff like this would help people
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and um you know we need to start thinking forward and we need to start thinking how we're going to
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start healing as a community and as a survivor um we're not going to get there if we keep you know
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looking at the past and we keep you know demanding apologies from different people we just need to
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start asking for the things that we need now today and start looking at our future and how we can
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you know start that reconciliation process even within our communities um you know we need to
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start coming up with solutions and i think we can get there we just need to now start making action
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plans of how we're going to start healing and what that's going to look like great yeah a big task
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And obviously this is going to be the work of years, but hopefully we just start getting
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You know, as you said, I mean, just looking forward, you know, an addictions treatment
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center on an isolated community would do a heck of a lot more good for future generations
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You know, let's do something to help just fix the damage rather than worrying about how
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Great. Well, that went quickly, but I really appreciate you coming on to join us today. I
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know you're quite busy. I tried to grab you earlier and I forgot when you're dealing with
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accounting and that, you know, when I get, Jane gets on my case for it too. I forget how busy
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she gets at tax time and things like that or that first part of the season. So we got you on today
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and I really appreciate your voice, you know, out there with the McDonnell Laurier Institute and
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some of the columns you put out and on social media in general, but where can people follow
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And I do post, you know, pretty, um, consistently with the national post.
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So you will see most of my work there, but you could see it in other, um, other
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So I'm just kind of here, there and everywhere.
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Well, I appreciate what you, you know, you're speaking up and, and, uh, talking
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A lot of us would rather just dodge sometimes and, uh, offering a, a, a
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lot of us would rather just, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um,
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offering a reasonable voice in it. And of course, I appreciate you coming on today. So thanks again.
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And I hope we can talk again soon. Yeah, for sure. Thanks for having me.
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So yes, that was Melissa Mbarkey. And yes, for all the Twitter veterans out there, you've seen
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her online, I'm certain, and she discusses things. Some of the questions, you know, some folks were
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asking about why can't they just, you know, drill a water well and, you know, house by house and
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things like that, like people do in rural farm communities and things like that. There's a couple
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of things that hold that up. And one of which, you know, we talk a lot about that with First
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Nations and so on, is you got to remember they don't own their houses and property the way people
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off reserve do. It's not the same as that. So if a family is living in a household, that house is
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actually the property of the reserve. And that's been a real problem because people ask, why don't
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they maintain the houses better? So, you know, some people, we see them getting run down or
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abused. Again, unfortunately, it's because they don't have an incentive to maintain. You don't
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own it. You can't sell it. You can't turn it over. In fact, in some of the reserves that have
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difficulty with management and administration, you could get evicted from that house. I saw that
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happening on the Horse Lakes Reserve decades ago. That reserve had some serious corruption issues
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going on. And if you weren't tied in with the chief and council, you weren't getting into a
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nice house. And it was almost as if you made your house look nice and decent, it could become a
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target. They can say, well, we're going to turf you out of there and stick my friend in and you
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can go to that shack down the road. I'm not saying every reserve does that, but there's some very
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serious administrative problems in the reserves and it really brings a disincentive for anybody
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to maintain. So, I mean, things like, you know, Professor Flanagan and some of the others have
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talked about maybe if we could bring ways in to bring property rights to First Nations people so
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they can own these assets. I mean, this is a lot of what's held them back. I mean, those of us who
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Banks do not like financing new business ventures,
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Well, people use their home equity as a security
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if they wanna take that gamble and move forward.
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Well, First Nations residents don't have an opportunity
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I think it would do wonders for them in general
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and where your water table is and things like that.
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And especially once you install the filtration system,
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I think I was bitching about that on the show a while back.
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40 grand. These things are expensive that way. And you have to maintain them. And again, if you got
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people, you know, it's a larger discussion as to why there's so many social challenges on First
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Nations communities. But these are people that are, you know, a lot of people who are in rough
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condition, and they're having difficulties maintaining their own lives, much less worrying
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about maintaining other things. So they might not necessarily maintain their water filtration system
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well enough personally, or the pump, like it's a very complicated problem. It's not so simple as
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It's just saying, well, drill a well at the house and put the filtration on and it's a done deal and it's set.
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If we're going to do reconciliation, look at things we can do on the reserves, then that'll lead to bettering the people in general.
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And, of course, addictions and mental health issues are huge.
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And they're more acute, absolutely, on the reserves.
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I mean, I think the blood reserve in southern Alberta is just a catastrophe with the fentanyl.
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It has been for a couple of years. So any of those efforts you can do to help things out,
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it's a multi-pronged problem. But the last of, you know, the lack of property rights
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really, really does set back a lot of First Nations people. There's a lot of people with
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ambition and the great business ideas and things they want to do, but they haven't had quite that
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opportunity. Now we get into the bigger discussion too. Not many young people can afford to buy a
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house or get into a house these days and start building some equity anyways. Nobody can these
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days, but that's a separate, separate thing as well. And as Melissa was saying, mostly though,
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it's the bureaucracies. It's the bureaucracies are making a mess. When you bring government
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officials in to manage something, you know, it's not going to be done efficiently or quickly
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or effectively. So we've got to figure out how to cut out all those parasitic bureaucrats. And
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that's what they are. They're like little parasites. They're going to keep sucking out
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from the middle and people won't get a decent outcome out of these things. And it really is
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maddening. But either way, it was good to get Melissa on to talk about it and
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to get those views on what's happening with things. I mean, it's a big, large, complicated
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problem and it's not going away anytime soon. Scott's saying, corruption's everywhere and
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yeah, reserves are no exception. No, it's absolutely true. And in some ways, it was one
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of those areas of good intention uh you know going bad as often is the case uh horse lakes reserve
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as i said i worked up in there and back in the 90s and some of the stuff those guys did and the
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the money that was going into the pockets administration while the citizens on the ground
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were just getting run over it was terrible to watch and what it was though is of course
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everything the big buzzword back then was self-government because everything was so
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patronizing you can see why it's frustrating everything was run by government you know
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these reserves had no control over themselves. So then suddenly people realize, well, that's not
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very nice. That's wrong. We'll give you all back control. And here's a check deal with things.
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Well, unfortunately, if there's a social discord and there's not checks and balances and there's
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things like that, the bandits often rise to the top and, and, and the people suffer. And that's
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kind of what happened there. Or if you want some interesting stories, you know, research into
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chief snow on the Stony Reserve, West of Calgary, I won't go into specifics, but there's been a lot
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of challenges on giving a self-government. So, I mean, a blank check doesn't work necessarily,
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but having massive government regulation certainly doesn't work. So just got to keep discussing and
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hopefully find a productive end to some of these things. And the other part is getting some
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industry, get people to work, give them a feeling of purpose. You know, I mean, people want jobs.
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They're like everybody else. They want to pay their bills. But if you're in North Interior BC,
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what do you do? And you don't want to leave your community. You grew up there. You love it out
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there, you're in the mountains, you got your family, your friends, but what career opportunities
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are there? Well, if those pipelines that get through and some energy development and logging
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and things like that responsibly done, you can stay in your community and you can work and you
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can still maintain traditional values and things. This is what these activists trying to shut things
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down won't realize or they won't admit. But I mean, if they really care about the citizens
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work and they're working on using hot springs for permanent job energy. Yeah. Well, there's
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multiple things. I speak of it sort of when you talk about energy development, though,
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it pays off in a larger way. The larger amount on a pipeline construction, of course, is during the
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construction. Once it's in, maintenance of a right-of-way and things like that are relatively
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minor. But what you get is a lot of resource revenue. There were deals cut for basically
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royalties and fees that we've paid to people along, and it helps maintain the community so
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you can develop other things as well while you're at it. It's just like in Alberta. You'll say,
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why my gas price is through the roof. You know, when, when we got oil wells and gas around here,
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well, it's cause we're based on a world price. So what's the point then of selling all this oil
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if we're still going to pay the world price, but you got to remember the royalties and money coming
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in from that can pay for a lot of programs. And theoretically, anyways, you should be able to
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reduce the tax burden. So the money in an indirect way will end up in your pocket and will help you
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out. Uh, doesn't always work out that way. Um, geothermal and things like that for local energy
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and heat sources and things like that. They're neat projects. But getting the liquid natural
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gas terminal going, getting that gas to it, benefit all Canadians, all of BC and the people
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working along the right-of-way. And the benefits of the terrorists. Well, I mean, again, if your
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province is bringing the royalties, I mean, it's battles you can have with the provincial government,
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but it does pay off in the long run. We can't shut down everything because we aren't getting
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enough. I mean, there's power transmission lines a few miles from me. I don't get anything out of
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that, but they got to go there and it's the way it goes. So let's see. This was something that
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some other people brought up. This is nuts. I think Melanie Riston wrote a story on that too,
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though. So the rhetoric coming from the minister of families, the liberal, getting back to that
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bloody abortion debate. And again, we just got to keep talking about it because it's going to be
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there. I mean, what a ridiculous thing she's proposing is Karina Gould, Minister of Families,
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told the CBC in an interview that if American women are denied access to abortions out of the
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border, and again, we're getting way ahead of ourselves to the point of whether that might
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happen or not, but there's certainly a shakeup. She's saying we'll offer abortions to women in
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Canada, you know, American women to come up here. One of the points that was pointed out in the
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story too is unless they're unvaccinated, then they won't be allowed in. So yeah, sorry, you're
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unvaccinated, you've got to carry that job to term. But in the meantime, we are in a country
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that has our healthcare stretched to the max. Our system's broken. It sucks. Our waiting lists are
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overwhelming. And we've got this minister with the Liberal government saying we're going to
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offer services to people from across the border to come up and further pressure our system.
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Don't we have enough to deal with here, guys? This is not our issue. I mean, that's one of
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the things where people talk about, are saying that this issue does become our issue. It shouldn't
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be our issue, but it is. And we can't seem to stay away from it. So pay attention to this one.
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It makes us squeamish. We don't like it. It's one of those types of issues that can have a
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fight breakout at the dinner table and family doesn't talk to each other forever. It's a very
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emotional one. It's an important one, but we got to deal with it. Unfortunately, again, I don't know
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whatever. I don't know why those justices felt they had to go ripping into the Roe v. Wade decision,
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But the battle never does quite stop, and it's just agonizing.
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You know, everybody's favorite minister there, Stephen Gilboa, the environment minister,
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the criminal, the environmental extremist, the one who's been, you know,
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This is a man, you can see those pictures of him grinning away in his orange jumpsuit
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after he's been arrested and charged for environmental crimes.
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He's now our environmental minister, and he's nuts.
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But I mean, one of the statements saying, so, I mean, you know, our emissions went down recently.
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Well, no, he's saying the only reason for that is because COVID-19 shut down the economy that much.
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Okay, so this is interesting to see where this goes with this.
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Basically, the only way we can reduce emissions is to shut down our economy.
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That's the thing that got missed between the text here.
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I think a message he didn't realize he was putting out, but that's the truth of it.
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So if we could just castrate our economy enough, make enough people poor, make enough people
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stressed, put enough people on drugs and do all the rest of the good stuff that came with all
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the lockdowns, we can reduce emissions because nothing else has worked. Carbon tax hasn't brought
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anything down. BC's had carbon tax for a long, long time. It hasn't been effective in bringing
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down their emissions whatsoever. The only way we can do it is shutting things down. And that's
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what they're doing. I think what we saw out of Gilboa was an unintentional slip of clarity out
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that man. So he understands that, yes, the only way we can manage to reduce our emissions is to
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put everybody in the poorhouse. And, you know, lockdowns, as far as he's concerned, I would
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think are almost good in his ideas. So they can't bring down emissions other ways. And
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it just carries on. Let's see. Cabinet bringing in an abortion bill. I've beaten that up enough
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for today. As I said, we're going to keep talking about it for a while, but I think I've had enough
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for today. Speaking of the insanity of COVID, COVID zero, look at China, look at Shanghai.
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They are still at it over there. They're bolting people inside their homes. The World Health
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Organization says COVID deaths are three times worse than reported. I don't know. What do you
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believe out of that? I don't believe much out of the World Health Organization, and I don't believe
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anything out of China. So I think they're all throwing darts at a board to say how many people
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are actually dying or not dying. The bottom line, though, is what we're seeing in China,
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of that, as Prime Minister Trudeau put, the basic dictatorship that he admires is they can do these
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kinds of things. That's what Justin likes. He likes that. Don't have to deal with all those bloody
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civil rights and things like that. We can just do whatever we want as a government.
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Well, China's trying that. In Shanghai, they've been locking people in their homes. They've been
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cracking down. They've been torturing and killing people's house pets. It's literally what they're
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doing. That's how sick it is. There's some awful videos about what's been going on out there.
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Quit trying to legislate our way out of the pandemic.
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So let's get into some reality, drop these bloody restrictions.
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Bad for a lot of individuals when it comes to cost of living, though.
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But again, as I said on the pipeline yesterday, it puts a big target on our back.
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When enough Canadians start suffering, it was kind of like when I was talking with Tarek too,
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suddenly the government's going to be saying, well, it's time for Canada, Alberta to do their
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part for the country. Not like we haven't already through tens and tens of billions of dollars in
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equalization payments, but don't be shocked to see another national energy program, guys.
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High oil prices are dangerous for us in a lot of ways. So we'll see what happens to that. Okay.
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So keep an eye on our channels. As I said, if you haven't subscribed, subscribe on Rumble. I really
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follow us on Rumble so you don't miss anything. We do special events and cover certain things.
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So tonight with the conservative leaders, five out of six of them are going to be on a debate
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in Ontario, and we're going to be streaming that live. Dave and I will jump in at about
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I'm thinking quarter after three Western Mountain Standard time.
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The debate will start at 3.30, goes for an hour and a half.
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So until five o'clock Mountain Standard, seven o'clock Eastern.
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You can see directly what these five conservative leader candidates have to say on things.
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And then Dave and I will jump in with our own interpretation of the debate after that.
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And yeah, you know, you get that first time because the rest of the debates don't start
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And this is a debate to them, to a conservative audience.
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I guess tomorrow, I got a fellow named Gar Gar on. He's been actually an activist in the forest lawn and things trying to, because we're talking, we got urban crime issues. We got gang issues. We got a lot of challenges going on and young people, you know, addiction issues, things like that. And Gar has actually been working on the ground a lot. You know, I like seeing proactive things. And he's trying to work with youth and people like that to avoid them getting on that bad path. You know, we got the government saying we can ban guns and stop gang crime and things like that.
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It obviously doesn't work, but trying to get youth before they get in trouble.
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I think I have Tony Bernardo, the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.
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We'll talk some firearm issues and things like that, which of course we can always talk
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And Cheryl asking what happened to the sixth at the debate?
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He's running the most bizarre leadership campaign I've ever seen.
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I have no idea what the hell he thinks he's doing.
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He spent $300,000 to get into the thing, but he won't talk to anybody.
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I mean, I'm not the world's greatest master of campaign management, but I do understand
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that you've got to get your candidate exposed to people a little bit if you want to win
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I'm just not sure where the hell they're going.
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Michelle Rempel jumped on as his campaign chair.
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I just don't know what these guys think they're doing.
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as I said, it's the Canada Strong and Free Network.
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and academics and people from all across Canada
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every year. This is the big fair. This is the Super Bowl for them. What better place as a
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conservative leadership candidate than to go there, not just to participate in the debate,
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which is important because you're really reaching out to those people, but just to network. I mean,
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this is where you're going to find fellow conservatives, donors, volunteers, things like
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that. I mean, it's essential to go to something like this. You have to be completely batshit mad
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not to go to this if you were a conservative leadership candidate, yet here's Patrick Brown.
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It's not turning up for it. Even the mainstream media, they don't left leaning mainstream media.
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They were complaining because Patrick Brown won't give them any time. They can't get an interview
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with him. I didn't have an interview with him. I've had most of the leadership candidates on
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this show already and we can't get Brown. So I just, it's bizarre. Cheryl's point, no, yeah,
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Candice Malcolm is going to be one of the moderators there.
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We got Daniel Smith at 9 o'clock in the morning again with her show
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and myself back at 11.30 to round off the weekend.
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So thanks for tuning in today, guys, and I'll see you tomorrow at 11.30.