Triggered: Where are Alberta’s ICU beds?
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Summary
Corey is joined by Ernie Sue of the Alberta Hospitality Association and Jacob McGregor, a community advocate on universal basic income, to talk about the challenges faced by the hospitality industry in Alberta, Canada. They discuss how they can work together to solve the problems facing the industry, including food insecurity, food waste, and lack of access to basic care. Corey also talks about the growing number of cases of Omicronovirus in Alberta hospitals, and the potential link to Bitcoin.
Transcript
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them right on the show. Today's guests are going to be Ernie Sue of the Alberta Hospitality
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Association. He's going to talk about of course the challenges for restaurants, bars, everything
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that's been going on with the pandemic restrictions, supply chain issues, I mean all of this together.
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They're just having a terribly hard time and Ernie's going to be able to expand on that and
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hopefully point out some things we can do to ease those problems. Then I'm going to have a community
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advocate Jacob McGregor come on. Jacob ran in Ward 1 in the last election. He's a young man
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and he wrote a column for us recently on universal basic income and he doesn't want it. He's a young
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man with ambition who's saying, hey, you know, this might be well-intentioned, but it's not
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where we need to go. It's not what I want as a young man. I do need some help as I go forward
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in life, but not that way. So it'll be a great chat with both of them. Now, before I get to my
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is triggered. I trigger other people all the time. That's nothing new. I get triggered all the time
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and that's what I go on about. So what's got me triggered today? Alberta's ICU beds. I mean,
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the omicron case numbers are mounting sort of the panicked calls for lockdowns well the symptoms of
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omicron appear to be little more than those of the common cold the sheer volume of cases has
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people concerned due to the pathetically low hospital capacities we have here in alberta
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currently there's 72 people in alberta icus due to covet 19. there's 635 in hospital with covet not
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necessarily due to it and despite evidence indicating that typically half of the hospitalizations
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in canada being attributed to covet aren't actually due to covet infections health officials
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seem to appear reticent to correct those numbers for some reason even ontario's chief medical
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officer he admitted that it's likely near 60 of the admissions admit you know that have been listed
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as coveted related aren't actually coveted related he vowed to correct the record but that was weeks
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ago and so far there's been no corrections in alberta dr dina hinshaw has been questioned on
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this and she admitted they don't really know who's been admitted because of COVID or people who just
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happen to test positive with it after having been admitted. Why is this so hard to determine?
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Anybody who's been admitted into a hospital emergency room knows damn well they take
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meticulous records. I mean what's that bored looking duty nurse behind you know that glass
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window actually typing as she monotonously asks questions while you bleed out
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answering them in hopes of being admitted for the roofing nail protruding from your forehead.
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I mean, assuming you don't need immediate emergency treatment upon admission to a hospital,
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the first thing they're going to do is test you for COVID. If indeed you test positive,
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you're going to be added to the list of people hospitalized with COVID, despite that roofing
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nail being what you actually were inspired to come in with in the first place. Now, this terribly
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skews the numbers. It's becoming clear that tens of thousands of us are walking around with the
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Omicron variant right now, and we don't even know it. That's how weak this variant thankfully is.
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I mean, people still are getting injured due to other reasons, however.
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And those COVID tests make it appear that there's a wave of hospitalizations due to the virus when there aren't.
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Still, even if it's only a tiny fraction of people who do need treatment for an infection with that variant,
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and Delta is still out there too, we do have to be concerned.
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And when we're talking about tens or even hundreds of thousands of new infections,
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So that brings us back to the ICU and hospital capacity issues again.
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We're nearly two years into this pandemic, and if we learn nothing, we keep talking about the
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pandemic becoming endemic. You know, that means we'll go back to living normally and just moving
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on and dealing with it, with the virus being among us, and we'll just have to cope with it.
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But in order to do so, we got to make sure our medical facilities are ready and able to withstand
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these waves of infection as they come and go. Now, right now, we have fewer than 100 people in ICU
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with a province of 4.3 million citizens, and apparently it's threatening to crush the system
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again. What the hell's happening out there? I mean, here's some comparisons though. In the
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United States, there's roughly one bed per 4,100 people, one ICU bed. In Canada, there's one per
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6,000. That's a huge difference, a very significant difference, and it makes a big difference in what
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we can handle and what we can't when it comes to such acute care. When it comes to regular hospital
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beds, Canada fares no better. There's a list which ranks all the developed nations. We're 36th
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I mean, look at the spread, the difference.
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and clearly ineffectual lockdowns and restrictions
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It doesn't take a lot to bring a system like that to its knees.
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we didn't know what was happening. But we can't forgive them for doing nothing during the subsequent
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18 months. I mean, we've been talking, talking, talking for 18 months in a pandemic, and apparently
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our capacity is as bad or possibly lower than it was when this thing started. What's going on? Why
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can't we change it? Why can't we get more beds? Why can't we get more capacity? Is it the rigid
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socialized system? Is the unions in the way? Is the way the infrastructure is and everything's
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centralized in hospitals? I don't know. We got to start that discussion. It sure as hell isn't for
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lack of money because we've been borrowing and spending like crazy. Now it's time to gore that
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sacred cow of Canada's failing health care system, and it's failing, and start examining it with a
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critical eye. I mean, clearly vaccinations alone aren't going to stop the spread. Well, it doesn't
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stop the spread. It reduces the symptoms of COVID-19. So we've got to look at how we're going
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to treat people who are seriously impacted with it, and that means health care facilities.
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We're two years into this nightmare. Governments are still running around like decapitated chickens
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every time an infection starts to surge. There's no excuse for this. We need to set the goal of
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increasing hospital capacity and find a way to do it no matter how it might shatter some people's
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illusions with Canada's health care system. Otherwise, we're never going to return to
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normal living. Okay, so that's what's got me triggered today. Now, I'm going to check in
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with our news editor, Dave Naylor, and see what other news items are topping the list right now
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and what else is going to get me triggered for the afternoon. How are you doing, Dave,
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and welcome back to Calgary. I'm doing great, Corey. I'm not sure why I heard all this complaining
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about weather while I was gone. It's beautiful here. Yes, you did have the magic timing to avoid
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the deep freeze and get here for the slush bowl. So it probably feels a lot like that west coast
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weather you were enjoying before you got back here. Yeah, my timing was perfect. I left just
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before the minus 30 hit and got back when minus 30 left. So couldn't have planned it any better.
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Right on. So what has been sitting on your desk greeting you? What stories are topping the scroll
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in the newsroom today we've got a very emotional story at the top of our website right now
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Corey about a Saskatchewan father who has basically kidnapped his seven-year-old daughter
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because the the ex-wife wants to to give him the give the daughter the COVID vaccine
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and now he's been hiding he's living on the run so a really emotional story about what a father
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the lengths a father will go to to uh to try and keep his daughter from having the vaccine
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so that's uh that's on the top of the website right now uh it's been a really busy morning
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uh cory you remember the uh the story that broke around christmas where it was revealed that
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the government was uh was tracking 33 million canadian cell phones uh and using them to monitor
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their movements during the uh the pandemic nobody was told about this of course nobody knew a thing
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So the opposition has banded together and they've been able to get the whole situation going to the Ethics Committee.
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So we're going to hear some reasoning behind the public health agency and what they were doing, snooping on 33 million of us.
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Also happening today in Quebec, the province's chief health czar has resigned after 12 years.
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He had a controversial reign during the COVID pandemic in Quebec.
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And as you know, Corey, they're locked down tighter than a drum out there.
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So it'll be interesting to see what Premier Legault says at his press conference this afternoon.
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Banks, if you're fed up of paying service charges to banks,
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it looks like they're finally going to be starting to pay a bit more of their share in taxes.
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Banking industry representatives said, hey, it's no big deal.
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We're looking at maybe an extra $3 billion in taxes, and we earned $73 billion.
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So, you know, just a drop in the bucket for banks.
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And Abbotsford, the first claim has been filed for a lawsuit against the city of Abbotsford
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and the province of BC for basically not giving people enough warning.
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Residents just across the border in Washington state, they got two days warning that this flood was coming.
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No such luck for the people in BC, so they filed a class action there.
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And the cute story, I guess, if you want to call it that, of the morning, Corey, is condom sales around the world have fallen flat.
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people are not having sex during the pandemic apparently and the world's largest manufacturer
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of condoms says their business is down 50 so they're going to change from making condoms to
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making rubber gloves so that's uh that's what's on the website this morning cory being a busy uh
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being a busy morning and uh lots of stuff coming this afternoon we'll keep an eye on
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Alberta COVID figures again. We had a record yesterday, I think it was 5,200. And we had
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a good chunk of change of more people in hospitals. So we'll have to keep an eye on that. And that's
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just goes to what you were talking about, Corey, with ICU levels. So another good day, another busy
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day here in the newsroom. Great. Well, thanks for checking in with us, Dave. And for people that go
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to westernstandardonline.com to see the stories Dave was talking about that they've already been
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written and uh they're going to be following up with uh particularly that condom one i want to
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know is it a matter of people stopped having sex or maybe they just stopped using condoms i mean
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we might see a baby boom coming up here pretty soon they've just given up you know they're sick
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of masking and they're sick of washing their hands and everything else it's just one part of their
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body where the the health administrators can't get into your bed and find out that you didn't
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actually cover maybe it's an act of rebellion it could be it could be but uh you know people have
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been staying home all over the world, right? People haven't been going out. They haven't
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been going to clubs. So I think that's probably more a case of that people are having less sex.
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Well, and that is just sad all around. I mean, we're having a social consequence of this whole
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pandemic nightmare as it is. I mean, one of the most free and blessed activities we've had
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historically in humanity has been that. And for us to be giving it up is tragic indeed.
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exactly all right thanks dave i'll uh talk to you a little later then thanks gory right on
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so yeah that's what we've got happening in the newsroom today uh and again things as they break
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and such uh as dave said there's going to be the tuesday updates from uh the the alberta government
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and the medical officers uh yeah we got chronicles cartoon there that's a good one he gives these
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cartoons to us now and then uh you know why not why can't we identify as vaccinated and say that's
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enough and we can identify as everything else and apparently that's enough to convince authorities
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on things sometimes um vaccinated why not i see carrie ann uh boy you know carrie ann i'm gonna
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leave that hyphenated the name there well i'll give it a try uh gelsis canes i think the canes
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part looks easy either way carrie ann was asking uh you know if we can get a link for the video
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montage from yesterday, all of the promises that the vaccination was going to end the pandemic.
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I'll see if I can find that later. Follow me on Twitter at CoryMorgan.com or at Cory B. Morgan,
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things like that. I'll tweet it out. It wasn't us who made it, but it's a great montage. And for
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those who didn't see it, it just listed through all of those public figures from Bill Gates to
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I'm not anti-vaxxed by any means. We get enough fights
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that myth that it stops transmission. It doesn't.
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And I'm forcing those people to eat their words
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a little bit. They said it was going to stop transmission.
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it's not the case, and I wish they would walk it back, but instead they're almost pretending that
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they never said that. No, they said it, and we're going to remind them of it. Should be coming up,
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ooh, Jamie Buchan says the condom market is softening. These condom stories always leave
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so much room to make jokes about. I mean, there could be an underlying serious issue,
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but there's also a lot of things we can laugh at. God, we need a few laughs these days, don't we?
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Everything's been too bloody serious. I mean, I rant and rave all the time, but for those familiar
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with me. I like my dark humor as well. So I'm going to go quickly. Ernie's coming up in four
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and things we've got going on. And one of the things I'll be talking
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consumer products, food items, and things that are getting hard to find all of a sudden. And
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they're unpredictable. We don't know what's going to show up one week or another. We have a story,
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Dave didn't touch upon that with the newsroom check-in actually, about we've got thousands
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of truckers now who have chosen not to get vaccinated and the hammer is coming down.
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This is in North America. They won't be able to cross the border into Canada. That deadline's
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coming up. Boy, I had to remember the story. I believe it's within just a few days. And now
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these truckers won't be able to get into Canada. Now, with our already difficult supply chain
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issues, with our difficulty in costs for food items, particularly things that get trucked up
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from the south, I mean, you know, we're not getting that romaine grown locally when we have
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our Caesar salad in January. We now take thousands of truckers out of the mix and their ability to
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bring it up, I'm afraid we're probably going to be in for yet even more shortages of some items
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and cost hikes. It's just a dire outlook all around. But that ties in a bit with, I'm going
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to talk to some items with Ernie Sue about because he's in the hospitality sector and he knows as
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well as I do from when I used to own a pub, it's a narrow margin business. And then when your inputs
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go up, boy, it makes it a heck of a lot harder to get by, especially if you've got insecure
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supply. So let's bring Ernie in and see what's going on out there. Hey, Ernie, how you doing?
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How are you, Corey? Good, good. So yeah, you're the president, just to make sure I've introduced
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you earlier to, you're the president of the Alberta Hospitality Association, and you're
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the owner of Trolley 5 in Calgary, right? That is correct, yes, yes. Yeah, so I appreciate you
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coming on. As I've mentioned as well, I mean, I owned a bar for a few years there. We managed to
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make money, but boy, it's a workout to make money doing it. And I know your time is precious. So
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getting you on for a little while to talk to us is really appreciated. Well, thanks for having me on
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and thinking about our association. Yeah, well, it's important, you know, and I mean, I see it.
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It's funny. I come at things with a different perspective now that I've been in that industry.
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And when I go to a restaurant and I have to wait extra long to get seated and it takes a while to
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get there and perhaps some menu items aren't available, I have to admit prior to owning a
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place. I might not have been as sympathetic. I might've got annoyed and frustrated, but
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now I can understand like the challenges and unprecedented things hitting these restaurants
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and bars, there's things beyond their control and they're having a really tough time. So I want to
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get it out there to people on what's going on and why they should hopefully be patient and keep
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supporting our restaurants and pubs. Well, I mean, you just led into it. I mean, we're on a massive
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supply chain issue right now as as all industries are um if the trucking industry loses 30 of its
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workforce um it's going to put our industry into a lot more stressful times here especially than
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in quarter one uh but on the staffing side um you know this the shortage of staff has been real
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it's been real in all senses and now with the omicron variant uh you're seeing a lot of
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of restaurants have to cut back their hours or you know you've got owners or general managers
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that are working basically seven days a week uh long long hours uh just to try to keep the doors
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open yeah and those fixed costs just don't go away i mean that that's that painful thing when
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your sales go down when things get slow you've still got to pay a lease you've still got a number
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of items uh well in my place we we leased a lot of kitchen equipment uh items and had commitments
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for chemical and so on that we had to pay even if we were slow as all get out and and it's it's just
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a grind for you guys right now um are you hoping though that like a lot of people are down right
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now just because they're sick and they're being responsible you don't feel well don't go to work
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i mean we you know that is one of the things we can certainly do to help with this but a lot of
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places are anticipating that this might pass perhaps once people feel better well yeah that's
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our hope you know restaurants have done such a great job across the province of doing their own
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contact tracing so if you know they've had um a staff member that has come in close contact with
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someone that's tested positive uh it's it's an immediate isolation we just can't run the risk of
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of an outbreak happening within the store our store or any other restaurant across the province
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that would cause us to have to close for a few days yeah and uh you know there's been one of
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the frustrating things we've watched and we see that in albert and we see it all over the place
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it seems as governments feel pressured to look like they're doing something and it's an easy
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target when they want to bring in a restriction you know they keep saying well we got to hit the
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restaurants we got to hit the bars you got to hit the i mean there really hasn't been much evidence
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to show that this is where transmission has been high necessarily and and restaurants and bars as
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anybody who's been going to know they're doing everything possible i mean they're dividing seating
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they're spreading people out they're using hand sanitizer they're using the passports and scans
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and apps and uh is there signs that they might lay off you a little soon well i don't think so i
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mean right now we're the only industry with any type of restriction on the 11 o'clock curfew
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um tables of 10 no mixing and no mingling which caused a massive amount of cancellations across
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the province for uh corporate bookings obviously new year's was devastated this year um with the
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know, mixing and mingling. And that's been our message with the government is, you know, where
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is the evidence and data that shows that, you know, any of the COVID waves have come straight
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from hospitality sector. That's where it's been the toughest pill to swallow is that you can say
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that socialization causes, you know, the transmission. But when we look at any of the
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larger venues, they're operating the exact same way. And now, you know, now they've only been
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hit with restrictions, which we don't want either. We don't want this to be an industry versus
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industry situation. It's just, it's just terrible when we really aren't given specific data as to
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why we're hit with restrictions or lockdown. Yeah. I mean, you want to know that it's an
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evidence-based restriction. I mean, that it's actually going to do something. I mean, it's
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something that makes it questionable I mean the mixing and mingling that's a reality that's part
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of why people go out I mean you know why you don't make a meal and drink at home I mean some
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of it's nice to have it prepared for you but it's the social aspect and that's what people
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keeps people their past supper and into the later hours and it's integral to the industry now
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theoretically the vaccine passports should have made it safe so people could do so when it would
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reduce the spread it appears that's not the case now you think there's any sign though that they
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might back off on the passport requirements if those don't seem to be making a difference to
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anything well we haven't heard anything of that of that nature coming down you've heard the opposite
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is that you know they want the government wants more people getting boosted um whatever it takes
00:24:50.800
to keep the hospitalizations down uh you know and we we've maintained on our end we're not we're not
00:24:56.840
we're not scientists or doctors but we do know what extent hospitalities had to go through
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throughout these last three to four lockdowns we're talking about you know tech that had to
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be purchased from iPads to the purchasing of PPE, all of the plexiglass, sanitizer, everything that
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restaurants have gone through has, you know, really put us into a hole. And quarter one is
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going to be looking even tougher if the supply chain management issues continue as well.
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Yeah, it's unfortunate. It's such a bleak outlook. And that's why, again, I just wanted to get you
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on and remind people, you know, January, February, these are tough months for our hospitality sector.
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And then, you know, get out there and support them.
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And part of what I want to talk about, too, is just that customer patience and things.
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The reason with the passports, I mean, you guys have already invested in the scanning
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abilities and set up the work routines to check people.
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I mean, it's not the end of the world to do it, but it does reduce a bit of a pool of
00:25:55.940
the customer base that you could have had and puts more pressure on the business and
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unfortunately can lead to some of the things that we heard so many stories about, particularly
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earlier with unfortunately customers getting belligerent with front end
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staff and being a pain and it's a tough job already you know they don't need
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that no and and I think you know what's so important for the public to understand
00:26:17.280
is these restrictions have come down from the government the REP program is
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an Alberta government mandate we have no choice you know that if we do not if
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we're not part of the REP program then we are patio service only which means
00:26:32.960
that no one can open right now you know in these temperatures it's just ridiculous um the public
00:26:40.280
needs to understand that these are the restaurants that have always been there for them too whether
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it's donating to the local charities hosting your local sports fundraisers or your minor hockey league
00:26:50.900
uh fundraisers i think that's all come back to light and we have seen great support from the
00:26:56.280
public. But for the guests that are out there that don't understand that this is, this is not
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a restaurant's choice. This has been mandated by the Alberta government. The REP program is
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mandated by the Alberta government or we close our doors. Yeah. And some people just don't
00:27:13.000
understand. I mean, others are saying, well, just dig your heels in like, you know, the fella up in
00:27:17.060
Bashaw and stay open in defiance. Well, you know, you can bankrupt yourself that way and not
00:27:22.160
everybody's in a position to do that or nor do they want to they just want to run a business
00:27:26.620
and and as we know aglc and ahs can shut you down very quickly and and then who wins i mean the
00:27:33.920
customers still have nowhere to go i mean we need the government to back off on the regulations we
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just can't have these restaurants martyring themselves trying to fight it yeah and that's
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and i think that's another such an important point you know i mean yes we could there's a number of
00:27:46.780
restaurants that wanted to stay open in defiance but at the end of the day if your liquor license
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is pulled um and then the enforcements continue to happen then you're arrested where do you go from
00:27:57.620
there you've lost your business and now you're charged so and that's the reality of it all and
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i think that's what we really need the public to understand that these mandates that have come down
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have come down from the government um we have to follow them if there's no you know there's no
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gray area there yeah and we've already lost a lot of businesses there was a story that came on the
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the standard today that of the businesses that shut down at the beginning of the pandemic,
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50% of them actually have never reopened since. So, I mean, these are lost. These are lost parts
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of the community. These are people who lost their entire investment. I mean, again, you know,
00:28:32.900
people are invested in these businesses. I mean, as I learned, the service industry is a labor of
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love. If you want to make money, there's a lot of better areas to go into. That's a very low
00:28:43.300
return grind to get into that so it's just tragic seeing these places getting crushed
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outside of the pandemic though then there's been other challenges maybe if we kind of go into that
00:28:54.840
a bit because I mean city hall regulations things like that I mean I know there were
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things like places getting regulated to death trying to open a patio and rebuilding walls and
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other ridiculous things you know presuming this pandemic comes to an end what are some of the
00:29:09.460
things we could do though to help facilitate you know problems we had even before the pandemic
00:29:12.640
to help these businesses do better in the future?
00:29:15.420
Well, I mean, the commercial property tax just went up again.
00:29:21.120
You know, commercial property tax has gone back up
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with businesses that are still trying to fight their way out
00:29:30.860
You know, when we look at what the city can do better
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that they're going to work harder at reducing red tape
00:29:42.340
Well, you know, we're hoping we see that a lot of them campaigned on a 1% tax raise.
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We see a 4% tax raise and, you know, there's no emotion in those numbers, except for the
00:29:54.540
fact that the businesses that are still standing, that are still paying this commercial property
00:30:04.120
You know, it's one point that I wanted to bring up, 50% of those businesses that you
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brought up that closed almost 70 percent of those businesses were open for a longer than a period of
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five years so it isn't like these flash in the pan businesses that opened up and closed and in our
00:30:20.140
industry um it is a labor of love you know we our industry is is tough it's long hours and
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more importantly the profit margins are very thin but we do it because we love it and we love being
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a part of the community. And, you know, we can, we're only hoping that we, that this 2022 can be
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a lot better. I sure do hope so. I mean, and, you know, the whole sector has evolved into something
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so much better than it used to be. I mean, there were always great restaurants, but I mean, we've
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got all these brilliant, you know, now brew pubs, all this variety of beers. Unfortunately, I abuse
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my privileges. I can't consume liquors any longer, but I don't begrudge the people to get out there
00:30:57.720
and enjoy them. I mean, I grew up in the AGLC days where you had your choices between three
00:31:01.940
different types of warm flat beer and uh you know a long island iced tea was as as uh creative and
00:31:08.660
exotic as a drink was gonna get and now we just have so many awesome creative places so many new
00:31:13.000
types of food even though you got those supply chain challenges making it hard to get it on the
00:31:16.840
tables uh you know we we don't want to lose all this well we don't want to lose this and we have
00:31:21.720
to remember so many of the restaurants out there support local we're talking about our local
00:31:25.420
farmers uh you know our local producers you know everything from dairy to to proteins you know um
00:31:33.580
restaurants and and hospitality you know is a fabric it's you know we're the number three
00:31:39.340
private employer in the province and uh and we're seeing so many restaurants get devastated through
00:31:45.660
these last two years of the pandemic um and now with subsidies drying up we're going to see some
00:31:51.500
some more casualties, I would say too, by the end of Q1. Yeah, I mean, that's another thing with
00:31:56.780
some of the rents. I mean, and again, the landlords, you know, we like to demonize them,
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but I mean, hey, they've got bills to pay too, and they can't just keep having tenants, you know,
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coming in at a loss. I mean, they try to do what they can, but you know, that we're far from being
00:32:09.200
out of this hole, unfortunately. So hopefully things turn around, but I just like to keep
00:32:16.500
talking to the viewers and listeners and, you know, asking patients and asking them to get out
00:32:19.840
and support it. The thing to remember, I mean, part of what inspired me, I live in Prittis,
00:32:23.980
to buy that pub was that it shut down for six months. And it's the only place that services
00:32:28.100
that area of actually a few thousand people. And we missed it. I mean, how do you go out to see
00:32:32.300
your neighbors? When do you get to socialize and do those things? Or, you know, if you want to have
00:32:37.460
a drink or two, so you're not 10 miles from home, there it is. And we entrenched as part of the
00:32:42.440
community. We sponsored hockey team things. There were community meetings happened in our pub,
00:32:46.860
things like that and when you lose it you really miss it i mean it's one of those things you don't
00:32:50.700
realize till it's gone but when you don't have it holy cow that that restaurant or that bar or
00:32:55.520
whatnot was really a part of our community and it's not easy to get it back yeah i mean i got
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my start in middipore at the seahorse pub and restaurant so i'm well well aware of the south
00:33:04.940
community and uh um that's where i developed a lot of the passion for this industry was seeing
00:33:10.120
how many of the neighbors would be out at after the hockey game or you know the fundraisers that
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were held there or the charity you know the charity events you know uh restaurants your
00:33:20.680
local pubs um you know they're they're fabrics they're fabrics of the community uh very rarely
00:33:27.260
do you see a restaurant or a local pub say no if you need a gift certificates for your fundraiser
00:33:33.140
or if you need to host a fundraiser or or to help the minor hockey league or basketball leagues
00:33:39.180
we've always been there and and that's where it's been very positive is that the public has
00:33:45.160
remembered that. And we've still seen some pretty great support from the public in this last couple
00:33:50.840
of years. Well, great. Well, I appreciate you standing up for the industry and speaking out
00:33:55.600
for it. I mean, that's one of the harder parts, too. There's a lot of disparate and busy restaurant
00:33:59.440
and pub owners and other people in the hospitality sector just don't have time or the ability. So
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having an association that can bring those issues to light and pass it on to our elected officials
00:34:08.400
and remind them of how their policy impacts things is very important. So maybe a little
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more about you before we send you off where can we find more information on what you and your
00:34:16.380
association are up to and uh maybe a little about trolley five yeah i mean you can find us on alberta
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hospitality association instagram or facebook um you know we also have our website as well
00:34:28.380
so any anyone that wants to reach out and get more information about us definitely contact us
00:34:33.500
through any of those channels and uh membership is growing and you know we've got board members
00:34:39.660
from across the province on our board it's uh it's been uh it's been a trying time but it's
00:34:45.180
been great to uh galvanize with some of these other owners across the province great yeah that's
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another point to put for any of those uh restaurant and bar owners who were watching as well i mean
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hey it's an association you got to take part for them to help you as well so uh check them out and
00:34:59.740
thank you very much for coming on to talk to me today ernie i hope we can talk again soon and
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maybe we'll be discussing how we've got a new uh restaurant and bar boom breaking out of this rut
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And that's why I really did want to speak to Ernie
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because I just know how tough it was making bucks
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I don't think I would have had the energy to get through it.
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so I mean those people who are hanging in there still they are tough tough business owners and
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isn't Ernie Ernie said too like these are businesses that have been there for a long time
00:35:46.180
these aren't just startups that just got rolling I mean these guys were established they knew what
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they were doing I mean I've seen some insensitive idiotic comments out there that was more and I
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didn't want to get into it with Ernie but back on the the when the minimum wages were going up which
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is a whole separate discussion but people giving that well if you can't pay a living wage you don't
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deserve to be in business yeah but you know often the person saying that's the same one who's going
00:36:06.220
to complain if their plated nachos cost 50 cents more the next time they come in or, you know, 25
00:36:11.980
cents more on a jug of draft. Like you got to pay for these things. It's a tough business. It can be
00:36:17.160
a fickle one, unfortunately, with some customers. And you can only raise prices so hard to put up
00:36:21.620
with more expenses. And it's difficult. And I know, you know, Ernie didn't want to corner him
00:36:28.340
on it. As others are pointing out, they can't go because of the passports. And that's a difficult
00:36:32.640
area for them because you also get the the crazed panic protesters I mean if it looks like you're
00:36:36.700
pushing back you can lose a bunch of your other customers on one end it's polarized you want to
00:36:41.080
run a business you don't want to get in the middle of a ideological battle over what's good or what's
00:36:45.900
bad or what you should be doing or what you shouldn't be doing when it comes to the pandemic
00:36:49.920
you just want to serve people food enjoy the business the dream that you built and got rolling
00:36:54.420
it should be the government that's saying you know what these passports aren't doing what we
00:36:59.400
hope they would. Let's just lay off, back off, and let businesses get on without them. We did
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that with the contact tracing. Remember all those stupid apps we had forced onto our phones,
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federally and provincially? We've kind of just forgotten about those things, haven't we? They've
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just fallen by the wayside. Why'd they let them go? Because they didn't work. So they said,
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they never did it. They never said anything. They never announced it. We spent tens of millions of
00:37:25.940
on it and they're gone. Well, we can phase out this passport requirement. If we can't see a
00:37:31.900
measurable benefit from them, why are we bothering with it? You know, the part where the hostess at
00:37:37.360
the front of the pub or restaurant is going to get most likely to get abused by a crabby customer
00:37:41.620
is when they're asking them to sign in with a passport to get into the place. Don't blame him
00:37:46.420
or her who's standing there being that gatekeeper. They've got a job to do. They shouldn't be put in
00:37:51.600
that spot in the first place. The next crabbiest one is at the end of the night when you're trying
00:37:56.140
to explain to a drunk that they got to be cut off, but that's a separate discussion altogether too.
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That's apart from the hospitality industry. I don't miss it all when I was bartending.
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Now, I'm going to go on a side note, a story that broke recently.
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There was a, and I want to talk about academic tenure.
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Now, Frances Widdowson was just fired by Mount Royal University in Calgary last December.
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There was actually a big story in the Western Standard about it back from last September.
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She spoke back against some of the woke push and identity politics in particular.
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And some of her views were pretty controversial and it stirred up a lot of people, got them going.
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After the Western Standard article on it, some students and then some other fellow professors started a petition to have her fired.
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She's not commenting now because it's still live.
00:40:13.400
she's still pushing back and still trying to salvage her career. But what people don't
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understand is what the university just did is they bypassed tenure. Now, tenure is something
00:40:26.060
that came about. It's throughout the world and in a lot of developed nations and academia. I looked
00:40:30.720
it up more in the 40s is when it came in. The main thing was, it's a system where a professor
00:40:37.280
gets to a certain point, you get entrenched, you gain tenure, it means you're permanent at this
00:40:43.160
institution. You will not be fired or discharged for going against the flow for having different
00:40:48.440
points of view. And some of this was even on academic matters. Like I guess with physics,
00:40:52.620
string theory was controversial for a while. And a professor could get punted from a university for
00:40:57.760
discussing those sorts of things. If they had tenure, at least they could examine it. If you
00:41:01.140
break against the orthodoxy, tenure protects you. And nobody likes it when you push back against
00:41:07.380
the orthodoxy of anything. That's life. That's human nature. That's the way it is. You dig your
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and you don't like hearing about other people wanting to do something different and you push
00:41:14.660
back. So universities came up with this system and not every professor gets tenured. I mean,
00:41:20.640
this is quite a thing. They've got to feel that you are of strong academic value and it's worth
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giving you that honor and entrenching you into it. But the tenure did not protect Whittowson
00:41:31.560
at Mount Royal University when she pushed back against identity politics and she's been fired.
00:41:36.920
and she's appealing it. We'll see what happens. But the precedent is really frightening. You
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shouldn't be ever kicked out of a university for a controversial point of view. That's the
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university is the place of discourse. That's where you go back and forth on it. Even if it's
00:41:52.640
controversial, even if it makes people uncomfortable. I mean, tenure protected left-wing professors in
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the past. Ones who talked about things like integration and universities. You know that
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if you were a professor in the American South in the 50s and 60s, an unpopular view that could
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get you kicked out in your butt was saying, hey, why don't we allow more than just white people in
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here? That was considered unpopular then. And you would have to be tenured to withstand the pushback
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for daring to say such a thing. And it's just because of that, the ability to push back against
00:42:26.180
institutional things, whether right or wrong, is so important. Now, our universities are already
00:42:33.020
dominated by the left. They're dominated by the woke. And when we start tossing people out for
00:42:37.780
pushing back against that, we're going to have a terrified academia out there who are afraid to
00:42:45.160
push limits, to push boundaries. I mean, we're going to be in a world of mediocrity. I mean,
00:42:49.440
maybe Whittowson was wrong. Who knows? The bottom line is that you've got to discuss it.
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You've got to be able to go back and forth on it. You've got the right to be wrong.
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And now she doesn't even have the voice to make her case.
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This is not the way we're going to raise better students.
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This isn't the way we're going to get better academic papers, studies, things like that in the future.
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Professors now, if they have to fear for their jobs, even if they have tenure, are going to be afraid to ever poke into anything that's outside of what the establishment norm is.
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How do we discover anything new if we don't have somebody daring to push against the limits of the establishment?
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That's very strongly concerning, and we have to be worried about this.
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So maybe, you know, we should reach out a bit, have people speak up, talk to universities, send letters.
00:43:44.640
I mean, in support of her, even if you don't like her.
00:43:47.040
See, that's the thing that people lose in discourse.
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The sign of an extremist, if there's going to be any sign of extremist,
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it's when you try to shut down other voices rather than debate them.
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And stand up for her even if you don't like her.
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Stand up for any left-wing professor who's kept in or being fired
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or threatened to be fired for being too far left.
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I mean, there's no shortage of Marxist ones that a lot of people, I'm certain,
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We've got to fight them with debate, not with cancellation.
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And if even tenured university professors aren't safe from that, who is?
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Speaking of, you know, I'm speaking against the orthodoxy, by the way.
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Barbara Kay, she's a very well-established columnist.
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Her son, Jonathan Kay, is very prolific in columns and news publications as well.
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And she puts out occasional columns to the Western Standard.
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you know and then the CBC's been in the news a lot lately because they canceled one of their own
00:44:52.100
and her name is escaping me but that news reporter Tara Henley who left the CBC and
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explained on what a just a rotten woke culture that place has it's no longer a good news
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organization Barbara Kay wrote a great long column it's on westernstandardonline.com about it
00:45:12.680
and of course she goes back farther because she said it was great what Henley said and wrote
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about the CBC on her way out but she should go further and realize because Henley was just talking
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about her experience in the last 12 years and she was saying it was good you know 12 13 years ago
00:45:25.660
and Barbara's saying it's not the CBC sickness runs a lot farther back than 13 years ago
00:45:34.420
unfortunately and particularly when it comes to their reporting on Israel and of course the ever
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ongoing conflict over there, you know, between Palestinians and Israelis and so on. If anything,
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if you're going to have a publication that's going to try and cover something as nuanced and
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complicated as the circumstances in the Middle East and Israel in particular, you want to have
00:45:56.320
some degree of balance. And the CBC has just been horrific when it comes to their coverage over
00:46:01.800
there. And they've been slapped for it. And they've had like something like 50 times they've had to
00:46:06.040
retract and correct their own pieces on that and things in Israel. So Barbara spoke out on that
00:46:13.520
and it complements, yes, Linda Slobodian's piece, which broke down and detailed a lot on what the
00:46:19.760
sickness of that place is as well on the Tara Henley thing. But again, these are people breaking
00:46:24.280
out of the orthodoxy and that's why it's important. You know, this is how we get higher thinking,
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you know, get moved farther on. I'm going to get Jacob on pretty quickly here to talk to me
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things that are politically incorrect now i mean look at some of the lunacy if somebody even talks
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about wanting to enjoy a firearm responsibly somebody who wants to go target shooting
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uh wasn't there some olympic athletes who uh got kicked out of some team or something because they
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took selfies with firearms at a safe shooting place in in las vegas one time like that's how
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ridiculous it is. They've demonized firearms when they can be used perfectly responsibly
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and enjoyed, collected, traded their property. The Canada Shooting Sports Association is out there
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promoting the safe, responsible use of firearms and they're standing up for your right to do it.
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So go to their site, cssa-cila.org or just Google Canada Shooting Sports Association and check out
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what they're doing for you and all the resources they got for other, you know, people who enjoy
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using firearms responsibly safely. That's all we want to do. We're same people and see what they
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can do for you. So it's a little early, but I see Jacob waiting in the lobby there. So let's not
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hang on much longer. We'll bring him into the show and have a conversation about universal basic
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income. Hi, Jacob. How are you doing? Hey there, Corey. Doing good. Doing good. Great. Yeah. So
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just to recap, and I gave it a little bit of background before you have been an active,
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i guess community advocate in calgary uh you ran for city council in ward one uh sonja sharp
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ended up taking that but she's doing okay so far i like to think you would have been better but
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yeah i'm i'm i'm pleasantly surprised surprised with how things are going uh in terms of ward one
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but yeah and i have to get out there and still be still be a voice for people so well absolutely i
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I mean, if nothing else, and I'm familiar with losing elections.
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People who don't like me like to remind me of that all the time.
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There's more to running in an election than just winning, even though, you know, winning
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is probably still the goal and the most important part.
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I mean, you're getting messaging out there, you're interacting with people, and I think
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you come out of a campaign, you learn a whole lot.
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You're a much better person after a campaign than before it.
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Yeah, you can't go through that for a year and not learn a lot.
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No, no, no. I hope you're running in future ones, perhaps. I mean, some people, one taste is enough
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and others carry on until they win a seat or a spot somewhere. I'm still around. We'll see.
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We'll see. So as you've been contributing otherwise, I mean, you're very active on social
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media and you've submitted a couple of columns to us. And the one I want to talk to you about
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was your recent one, because, you know, something that's been talked about since the supports came
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in with the pandemic and people in, you know, in need because they got put out of work and
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things like that. So there were CERB and such was a lot of people really talking about, well,
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we should have a universal basic income structure so that there's always a support that's there for
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everybody all the time, no matter what. And you wrote a column saying that isn't necessarily a
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good plan to go forward. Well, no, I don't think it is. I have a bit of a background in this
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because before the conversation became a bit more universal with COVID, I am a person with
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cerebral palsy. I'm wheelchair bound. So I end up doing a lot of volunteer work within disability
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circles. And in these circles, it's widely seen that universal basic income is this boon to be
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granted upon all of us with disabilities it'll raise many many many people out of poverty and
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all of that what my colleagues in these circles seem to forget is this is going to be an 85 billion
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dollar expenditure and when you're creating that expenditure the money has to come from somewhere
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and generally when it's coming from somewhere one of the places it comes from is built environment
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improvements and things that make our everyday lives more accessible so yeah and the risk i
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We can only prioritize and utilize it as well as possible in certain areas.
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And if you take away the built environment for, for people with disabilities to get
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out and get to work and do things, you definitely are moving towards a model of
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I called it, I called it an empty calorie existence.
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I can be lifted above the poverty line artificially.
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I have tons of spending power, but no purpose, nothing to spend that money on,
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nothing to do to contribute to the community, which is what people want to do.
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I don't just want a check from the government every month.
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And not every job lends itself to remote access.
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And if you don't have that access, it limits the opportunities in areas for both employers and for people with disabilities to take part in what could be a good relationship.
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We should be encouraging as many people as possible to get into this workforce right now.
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we're talking about um employment shortages and things like that and we're cutting out
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a percentage of the population and hand waving the problem by giving them a check um
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here's what we end up with is a group of people sidelined who could be doing more
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Yes, and it's a bad outcome. And as you said, though, I mean, you differ with some of your, I guess you say, compatriots in the community as well, but that's fine. I mean, you can have different views of what needs to be there.
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and well it's it's interesting that before i came on you were talking about breaking with the
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orthodoxy because the orthodoxy here is that these social safety nets are automatically a good thing
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when i have actually been turned away from job interviews and internship programs because i
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couldn't get in the building so i think there's something else we can be doing here yes as far
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as a return on an investment and that's the way you put it you know it's 85 billion dollars 80
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billion dollars that's a massive amount of money uh for the amount of accessibility say even an
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investment of a quarter of that across the country could do for people and uh you know even people
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as they get later in life and seniors or even women with strollers i mean the more we make
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getting around easier the better we all are for it and at a far lower price you you think so right
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making things easier to do usually makes them cheaper as long as we design these things with
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some common sense and don't automatically go for flashy options that don't have
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and a real-life impact there's so much we could be doing yeah and you'd spoken
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of age which is a program directed to people with serious disabilities and
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it's an integral one I mean some people just just can't get to work or don't have
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that opportunity and it's I think perfectly fair to target and support
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people in there but if people want to try and be self-determining we we don't
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want to hinder that in any way whatsoever either well exactly I'm a
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a recipient of age right now it's very difficult for me to get a job i'd like that to be easier
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um and these programs are designed for people who have um less ability to get into the traditional
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employment market i'd like to think and i would like i'd like to think that i can be part of that
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market so i don't necessarily think i'm the target demographic for these things they are important
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but they shouldn't be the model for everything that we do oh and i i think it's in the name as
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well i mean it's an income support but hopefully and theoretically it's just something you're
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taking along the way somewhere or for a period of time or maybe supplementing another income
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but i mean it shouldn't be an end and that that's what uh the fear is i guess you know it shouldn't
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be just a where you go and stop exactly whereas a universal basic income program is that's built
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right into it that's the whole thing it's it it's there it's an end i mean not just people
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with disabilities i mean there's a much broader discussion of course that a lot of people who are
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you know not disabled are still going to sit around and become career video gamers because
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they can get that support absolutely this is this is what you end up when you artificially
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inflate on people's bank accounts with programs like this it i and i've heard the argument that
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it doesn't but you can't sit there and reasonably tell me that this doesn't de-incentivize
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employment because it does well absolutely and not everybody's immune from it i mean we're seeing
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this with people coming off sir when i when i used to work in the oil field i remember
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we would hit spring breakup it's called where you get pretty slow for a few months every spring
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quite often i'd be sitting around the house for sometimes as long as two months at a time
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and i start out at home oh i'm gonna catch up on the yard work and i'm gonna do that the longer i
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saw the lazier i tended to get and the harder it was to get off my butt and uh you know you you
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the longer with serb and other things we get some people have become into a bad pattern
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in dependency that that's not healthy for them or anybody outside of there well i was gonna say
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even if you even if you take into account the lockdowns for say we all had to sit at home for
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several months and even those of us who wanted to get back out there going again it's it's hard to
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restart that engine once you turn it off so not necessarily for all of us but there were a large
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percentage of people that got used to the um lifestyle that sir provided which i don't think
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is a positive one for our economy or our health actually so no and and again i mean the goal of
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it being just a temporary filler as with uh if a person's capable of working it should hopefully
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just be something that's a support that's needed temporarily uh serve i mean i understand the need
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for it i mean hey if the government made it illegal for you to work well then they are obligated to
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to make it possible for you to pay your bills, but let's get people back to work.
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And then we don't have to worry about the service and the same applies to age.
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Imagine that the more of us that are employed, the less you have to pay us out of government coffers.
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Um, I just do want to touch real quickly on the thesis of your, your show about
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where the ICU beds are as well, because I did another column with regards to there needs to be a blueprint to get us permanently out of restrictions,
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but that requires the government to actually have intellectual conversations with us
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about the goals and the statistics that go along with the restrictions
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And nobody seems to be wanting to have that conversation.
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they seem to be content running around without a plan and it's just making more and more of us
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tune them up yeah well an instability it's a killer for all of us i mean we don't know as
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you said we don't see we understand the path could change but nobody's even determined to
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lay out the path how are we going to get out of this when are we going to get out of this
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uh you know let's have a talk about getting out of this and now we're just kind of writing it and
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reacting all the time when something happens rather than planning for it before it gets here
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well exactly and we've been doing this for two years like you said you'd think we would have
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tried some things to improve the actual sustainability of the systems we're trying
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to protect as well but again this implies that there's a level of intellectual integrity that
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sometimes I don't think we're seeing. Well, we've got a complicated situation. I mean, I do think
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that Premier Kenney was trying, you know, to get us back to normal. He burned, unfortunately, you
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know, he said, we're going to have the best summer ever. We're opening up. We're backing off. This is
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done. We're finished. He really invested a lot of political capital into it. And unfortunately, you
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know, the pandemic surged in fall. He ended up returning to restrictions. Anti-restriction people
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were furious the pro restriction where people were saying it never would have happened if he
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restricted in the first place and now i think he's kind of afraid of trying to announce anything
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more than two weeks out ever again because it might blow up on him well yeah you you've painted
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yourself policy wires into a corner where no matter what you do you're wrong in someone's eyes
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so it's better to do nothing which makes everybody mad at you yeah that's about it so maybe you know
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if premier kenny gets to that point and realizing hey you're getting it on either side no matter
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what you do you might as well pick somewhere and just go for it because spinning you know sitting
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in one spot like this isn't doing anybody any favors exactly but yeah to get back to
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the conversation originally don't be afraid to push against these
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Because I did some research for the column on UBI, and 95% of the articles are all about what a great thing UBI is and how many people will be lifted out of poverty.
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I think that's just an excellent way of fudging the numbers, where you can report that you've declined the level of poverty in your country by such a substantial amount, but the actual quality of life hasn't changed that much.
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yeah no i mean we got to look at the real outcome and what the goals are as one of the commenters
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is saying there brad uh how can i think it is or hoggan says your guest should coach kenny there
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we go so maybe one of the jobs available would be uh as an advisor to our provincial government
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they can certainly use it if you're listening i'm here i'm not gonna complain but yeah i i will keep
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putting my opinions out there and if people want to listen to them that's excellent yeah no and
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it's appreciated before we get going though um i i do want to close up with so as you're talking
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about let's say in this world where they they set aside ubi and said to heck with that you're right
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and decided to invest a large number into getting more accessibility and things uh what are some of
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the target areas that are presenting challenges to you and and other people that that need
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rectification right now well stairs are a natural enemy of mine and many of those like me um but
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one people don't think about is uh snow removal usually when we're in calgary uh pushing the snow
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from the middle of the road and just creating uh windrows that not only get me stuck and unable to
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travel well throughout the city but getting untold numbers of cars trapped as well
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it'd be better to invest the time not into snow and ice control but actual removal and
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and things like that. But if more buildings could have ramps and elevators, some of them
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can't even if you want help, you can't right now because our historical building code doesn't
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allow you to renovate older buildings downtown.
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So some building code improvements. I mean, that's not even necessarily an expensive thing,
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though i mean it does put things on to the the building owners but i mean these are ways we can
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change things so i mean appreciate that because there's things we take for granted and forget and
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uh even then if somebody's being selfish now well don't forget if you're lucky enough to live a long
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enough age chances are uh you're gonna need some help getting around later so invest for your
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future you're gonna end up here eventually whether it's because you got gray hair because you were
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born with it doesn't matter you're gonna end up in the same place there you go well i really uh
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appreciate you coming on to talk to me jacob now you've got a podcast as well and and you put out
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the occasional uh columns and such so uh before you go where can we find out more and what you're
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up to your uh your podcast and your your twitter account and such yeah so the podcast called your
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neck of the woods our humble host here was actually a guest on it rather recently so feel
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free to check out that episode um my handle across social media is j mcgregor yyc um you're gonna
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find the podcast episodes there i'm gonna amplify community voices and i post the columns there as
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Well, working on a website for all of this, so it's all in one place, but I'd love to have more listeners and more people following what's going on.
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Well, and I'm sure they'll grow. It takes a little while. You keep putting it out, but as long as you're putting out common sense and good ideas, those listeners and readers do build up.
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So I'm looking forward to your future podcasts and columns as they come in.
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And again, thanks for coming on to talk to us today, Jacob.
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As I said before, I think, you know, the term that comes to mind all the time with Jacob is refreshing.
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I like people who can, you know, reason and put out solutions to problems.
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The solutions part is always the more difficult one.
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I write more nuanced columns at times and things like that.
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But Jacob has done a good, that's why I like the balance in that.
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It wasn't just, this is the cost of UBI, but hey, if we're going to spend it, we can have
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Like here's something we don't do and here's the solution.
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That's the kind of discussions we need to have.
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And as he said, it's breaking the orthodoxy a bit. He's talking a little differently than some other people in the community might on on that issue. And as we discuss it, hopefully, theoretically, eventually, we'll get better policy. Now, you know, another area I'm going to go into quickly here is a video. If Nico's got it really cute. I mean, we're talking about access. We're talking about downtown. We're talking about getting people to work and and our transit system in Calgary. I want to give a bit of a warning with this video.
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it's it's a mess i mean transit's terrible and that's what uh my rant was on yesterday was the
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drug use problems we have on it the fact that they're now such a problem with homeless and
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addicted people and in stations that they're closing them late at night uh starting last night
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and people are scared to ride it transits to something like 30 percent of capacity as it is
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already yet we're building a green line well coincidentally just this morning when i get on
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i get on twitter and i see uh tom ross from city tv was riding the train last night in downtown
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calgary at about 10 30 and he witnessed uh what uh appeared to be a stabbing uh and a terrible fight
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uh we've just got a 40 second video because i just want to drive home this is just random this is what
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happens this is a guy who just happened to ride it that night pulled out his phone because this
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is happening all the time there's some swearing in this video and and uh you know there's some
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violence so if if you know you might want to tune out for 40 or 50 seconds here but i really want
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just people to see this is typical this is a problem and this is why we
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cannot we people don't want to ride the train so have a look at this
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The next Tuscan retreat will arrive in six minutes.
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now like there was another two minute video later uh you know i won't play but he took of
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the police officers did show up and then split these guys apart and and arrested a couple of
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them. And I don't know what the dispute initiated with. But I mean, basically, the first gentleman
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got stabbed. He then tackled the other fella and was trying to disarm him and another jumped in
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and they all beat each other up pretty badly. I think they're okay out of it relatively minor
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injuries. And the video was turned over for evidence. But this is typical. This is what's
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going on. I mean, if you remember the news a little while ago, that same strip that was on
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fourth street station downtown in calgary on seventh at eight o'clock at night not really
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late at night i mean you know this and hey you know for those i mean i know i'm stereotyping
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but those of us who go downtown all the time you see the fellow running with his pants around his
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knees and the outfits these are the addicted downtown homeless citizens these are people
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that need help i mean i've written long articles on that this is a big complicated issue it's
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nuanced you know you just displacing these people or arresting people doesn't help they need
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treatment they need places to go uh you know but they're going to transit that's where they're
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hanging out that's where it's warm that's where they can get around i have been right i had been
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riding transit downtown here to work and uh this is where these are pictures i took this one with
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the syringe that was at uh the westbrook lrt station on the floor and and yes i watched them
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do the drug deals on the trains we have to do something about it i mean you're talking about
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wanting to revitalize downtown we're talking about wanting to fill those office buildings
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we want to get people to work back down here well who's going to ride that transit there was a large
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calgary uh i believe it was the herald a large editorial from a reporter and people crapped all
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over her because she had written late night on transit and hadn't in a long time and then got
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to see firsthand just how bad it is and it's bad she was talking about the the you know ghosts of
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figures and zombie-like people, you know, sprawled throughout the inside of the stations down south
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at night. And yes, that's what it's become. It's a dystopian nightmare. And we can't keep putting
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up with it. Just getting them out of the stations isn't a solution. And that's what I got upset
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about. The city's response was to close the stations because, you know, they're sleeping
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in there. They're using them as de facto homeless shelters, as consumption sites.
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And they're inappropriate for that. They're trashing the place. They're threatening people.
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They're scaring people. So they move them out, but they need somewhere to move them to.
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And these are people very impaired. You can't just put them into another homeless shelter.
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It's a mess. It's just a mess. And the city's responding poorly. But the part that I also
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want to chip away at is just because these people are addicted and they're in trouble and they need
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help, it doesn't make them any less dangerous. It doesn't make them less out of control. And that's
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why I wanted to show that video. These are people in a violent state of mind. And if they aren't
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attacking each other, yes, they very possibly could attack other citizens riding public transit.
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And we can't have that. That's part of why nobody's riding the bloody thing. We're building
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a green line for billions of dollars to this empty downtown when our current transit's almost empty
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and the downtown's full of this. This is what's going on down here. And we got an idiotic mayor,
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and I'm tired of her already, but she's focused on defunding the police. I mean, we saw an article
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recently that police morale is at its lowest ever. I mean, can you blame them? Look at the
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crap they got to put up with all the time. And they get crapped on either way they do it.
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If they get physical with somebody, oh, it's police abuse. And if they back off and somebody
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gets robbed or mugged, they say the police aren't doing their job. And I mean, there really are
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police who abuse their role in authority. We've got to address that. But when have you ever seen
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any kind of service that got better by defunding it? That's how stupid the base of that defund the
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police movement is. Fix the police? Sure. I think there's a lot of room for improvement. Better
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training, more staff to help to de-escalate situations so they don't always go into a
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physical confrontation. You know, more sensitivity when it comes to dealing with people in minority
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situations. But defunding is stupid. I mean, if we've got low educational levels and outcomes in
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Alberta, is everybody screaming to defund the schools? Is that what's going to make them better?
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Should we defund the health care to make the health care better?
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But somehow these imbeciles think if we defund the police, it's going to make it better.
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If I'm walking downtown in that dystopian nightmare that you see right down there at night,
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I don't want to see police out there tackling these addicts and arresting them and handcuffing them,
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But I want to see a police presence around so I know I'm not alone if one of these guys has smoked too much meth,
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popped a brain cell, and decided that a knife would look good between my ribs.
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I mean, other Calgarians are thinking that, and I'm a medium-sized, you know, middle-aged man.
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I don't have as much to fear as a smaller young lady might, or an older lady, or just a person in not the physical condition to be able to defend themselves from some of these things.
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And we can't pretend that some of these addicted people aren't dangerous.
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That's why I just had to get that video on there to remind you.
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It's serious, it's dangerous, and it's an embarrassment.
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I mean, that was one of the, you know, I used to travel a lot.
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I've, you know, the safest city I'd ever been to in my life.
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So here's where we can talk about some of the balance of things.
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I went to the Soviet Union back at the end of the 80s.
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And going through downtown Moscow, got a little drunk as an underage kid,
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because if you had American dollars, you'd get anything, and rode the metro, got lost.
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But that's, of course, because they were absolutely terrified of the local authorities.
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Yeah, Moscow was at least overly crime-free at the time, but that's because there was no such thing as individual rights, civil rights, and human rights, so nobody dared touch an idiot, drunk foreigner wandering down the streets.
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But that's not a good payoff and balance between order and disorder.
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I don't want to see an old Soviet-style Moscow.
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But on the same hand, I went to Guatemala City in the, I think that was 89, and they were in the middle of a civil war at that time.
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and yeah there's where you had dead people in the alleys there's where the smell of urine was
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everywhere you went there's where you went to the bank and there was literally a machine gun nest
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out front and you didn't walk off of the path and outside of zones without your bodyguard or you were
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going to be hurt that's the extreme of disorder now we got to find a middle and I mean Calgary
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I mean we're certainly not to Guatemala levels yet
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vaccine, stopping COVID in its tracks. Yes, Terry Newman pointing that out. And that's, again, I'll
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have to get that on Twitter and some other areas to share that so you can find it. It is a good
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little clip. For those who weren't here earlier in the show, that's where it listed a whole number
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of politicians and news media people and so on talking at length about how vaccination is going
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to stop the spread of infections but uh obviously it isn't and they aren't walking back their words
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so they've got to be reminded of it and that video does it uh ab free pointing out venezuela
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is a combination of both yeah i think i mentioned on a show a little while back um with uh venezuela
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there was a great meme out there because i mean and that's a beautiful country much like guatemala
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where i was at guatemala is much better now thankfully uh you know there's a whole show
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there could be done on what was going on, what I saw down there. I mean, that was the Cold War
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going on. So you had, the Americans were funding the government with their death squads that were
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picking people up and, you know, disappearing them in the night. A village we'd visited after
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we left a little while later, I think 20 people got slaughtered at that by the local guerrillas
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because those locals had been talking to the government. A horrible, horrible state of affairs
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down there. They've gotten better and worked their way out. Now, Venezuela moved hard towards
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socialism eventually back in those days. They had much more resources than Guatemala. I mean,
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beautiful, perfect climate, coastal access, an incredible amount of oil reserves. And there's
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that meme that shows, you know, here we are, our labor force is great. And then the climate's great
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and the resources are great. And let's just try a little pinch of socialism. And suddenly you're in
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the hole. And that's how socialism, unfortunately, works as you let it spread. It's truly the virus
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we got to worry about. It can destroy any economy, no matter how many resources you've got, how strong
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it is, and you can turn into that mess. And that's what we're doing. Calgary's got a beautiful
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downtown. That was one of the things when I came back from traveling, I could always marvel at. I
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could walk in downtown Calgary at one in the morning. You didn't sweat it. You weren't fearful.
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You weren't worried. I don't even like walking down by the train tracks now at three in the
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afternoon. The stuff I used to see, you know, in larger centers, whether it's Pittsburgh, Waco,
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some of the bad parts of town to those places, I'm starting to see coming into Calgary. And we've
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got to head this off. And to have an idiot mayor again, thinking that defunding the police is the
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way to do it. We were seeing that happening in other American cities that did defund the police
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in response to, you know, the riots and BLM protests and things like that. And we've seen
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what happened, the crime rates shot through the roof. Doesn't work. We don't want a police state,
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but we can't define these guys. So think harder, Jody. Think harder. Because it's not working right
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now. Yes. So what are we on to the condoms? Yeah, we talked about that earlier, though. That is
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something. And it's, you know, every issue has a little more nuance to it. Where are we going?
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You know, Dave was talking about that at the end with things. Condom sales are going down. What a
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weird, bizarre supply chain world we're in right now. Yeah. Condom manufacturer sees limp sales.
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Oh, okay. That's, that's, uh, our, our reporter there. Uh, uh, Eva that's good. It's quite the
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title. And, uh, but I mean, it's also a reflection of the, the trends we're seeing right now. Like
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what's going on? Why aren't people going out and, you know, socializing, uh, kind of, I was talking
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Ernie Sue a bit earlier, right? Uh, people aren't allowed to get up and mingle at the bars. I mean,
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I guess that's quite often where the interactions
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are gonna happen that would lead to, theoretically,
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Are people not interacting like they used to that way?
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I don't think that's healthy for society all around.
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of how much we've disrupted our whole social structure.
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people aren't screwing anymore. Might lead to some reduced population, save some money down
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the road. I don't know. I need more people born to pay for my retirement later because our Canada
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pension plan is a Ponzi scheme. So again, maybe they're just not using the condoms. And as I said
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to Dave, we're going to see a baby boom, but we're in the crazy, crazy times. And we got the truckers,
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as we said, you know, that are suddenly not going to be delivering goods and they're not going to be
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able to get across the border. We're going to see more supply chain issues. We're going to see
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more foods running out, clothing. I mean, you see the weirdest things running out at the grocery
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store. What was it? Colored marshmallows. I had to go on a crazy quest for a recipe for Jane. I
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need these bloody colored marshmallows. I know it sounds stupid, but it's so random, right? And
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just for whatever reason, for about a month, those things just couldn't be found. And now when we're
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suddenly taking thousands of truckers out of the mix, boy, we're going to be in some trouble here
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getting our goods and services out. So this pandemic, the longer we're in it, the more
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we're disrupting everything from our social to our supply chain to our communications to
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everything and uh i i'm just worried about it that's why we got the show we can discuss these
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things though because some of them aren't talking about it cbc they won't talk about this stuff
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they're all doom and gloom they're all introverted woke crap i mean that's you know why the western
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standard you know i mean yeah the cbc's had a biased woke problem for decades it was one of
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those stories that the woman who left it said, uh, that, uh, they wanted to do a story on how
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there wasn't LGBTQ equivalent terms in Tagalog, uh, in, in the Philippines. Interesting, I guess,
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is a side note or something, but this, you know, is a general interest story you put in the back
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of a publication on a weekend when you got nothing else to write. Very important to people who speak
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Tagalog in the Philippines, but they, you know, all five of them in Canada in that particular
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circumstance who were concerned about the lack of LGBTQ terms probably wouldn't have cared if the
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CBTC did a story on it. And that's where the Western Standard comes in. So I'm going to give
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our plug for ourselves while I am at it. You know, we aren't like, well, we're very much not like the
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CBC. We don't take tax dollars at all. The CBC takes one and a half billion a year worth. A lot
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of paper publications take tax dollars. You know, Trudeau made that quip, that joke about it, 600
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million a year goes towards them to buy their opinions. He said it jokingly, but it really
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does impact it. When someone's paying your bill, it impacts your outlook. It impacts what you
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produce. It impacts what you do. It's just the way it goes. We're impacted by our sponsors and
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our readers. So our members take out a membership, join up. If you haven't already, WesternStandardOnline.com
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slash membership, 10 bucks a month. There's a free trial so you can get in and you can see
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everything that's hiding behind the paywall. I mean, our conversion rate's fantastic for people
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to do the free trial who stick with their subscription very high. They check it out and
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say, yeah, this is worth 10 bucks a month to get that exclusive content to support the Western
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Standard so they can keep producing the content we need, not that woke trash and garbage that they
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have at our state broadcaster or even some of the other publications and broadcasters who take tax
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dollars and just put up bad content. I mean, hey, I don't care. Any group or organization could be
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as left as they want. As long as it's not taking tax dollars. You know, when somebody said before
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that we're not biased, nah, we're biased. We have our slant. And the news isn't. Dave is
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very critical about that. He's our news editor. He makes sure that news content is we report the
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facts and we get them out there. But I mean, our columns and our hosts and things tend to be
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conservative, libertarian. That's kind of the feel of the publication. And that's the way it goes.
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And again, we can do that because we rely on you guys and we rely on our sponsors to keep things
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going. This is from Claudette, two pages in the Trudeau Sun Edmonton News, something from the US
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