00:43:04.840This is not the way we're going to raise better students.
00:43:07.700This isn't the way we're going to get better academic papers, studies, things like that in the future.
00:43:13.720Professors now, if they have to fear for their jobs, even if they have tenure, are going to be afraid to ever poke into anything that's outside of what the establishment norm is.
00:43:23.840How do we discover anything new if we don't have somebody daring to push against the limits of the establishment?
00:43:31.580That's very strongly concerning, and we have to be worried about this.
00:43:35.740So maybe, you know, we should reach out a bit, have people speak up, talk to universities, send letters.
00:43:44.640I mean, in support of her, even if you don't like her.
00:43:47.040See, that's the thing that people lose in discourse.
00:43:51.220The sign of an extremist, if there's going to be any sign of extremist,
00:43:54.520it's when you try to shut down other voices rather than debate them.
00:43:58.520And stand up for her even if you don't like her.
00:44:02.360Stand up for any left-wing professor who's kept in or being fired
00:44:06.480or threatened to be fired for being too far left.
00:44:08.420I mean, there's no shortage of Marxist ones that a lot of people, I'm certain,
00:52:06.780And if you don't have that access, it limits the opportunities in areas for both employers and for people with disabilities to take part in what could be a good relationship.
00:52:23.940we're talking about um employment shortages and things like that and we're cutting out
00:52:32.400a percentage of the population and hand waving the problem by giving them a check um
00:52:40.800here's what we end up with is a group of people sidelined who could be doing more
00:52:50.760Yes, and it's a bad outcome. And as you said, though, I mean, you differ with some of your, I guess you say, compatriots in the community as well, but that's fine. I mean, you can have different views of what needs to be there.
00:53:05.000and well it's it's interesting that before i came on you were talking about breaking with the
00:53:12.840orthodoxy because the orthodoxy here is that these social safety nets are automatically a good thing
00:53:22.040when i have actually been turned away from job interviews and internship programs because i
00:53:29.640couldn't get in the building so i think there's something else we can be doing here yes as far
00:53:37.720as a return on an investment and that's the way you put it you know it's 85 billion dollars 80
00:53:42.440billion dollars that's a massive amount of money uh for the amount of accessibility say even an
00:53:47.720investment of a quarter of that across the country could do for people and uh you know even people
00:53:53.720as they get later in life and seniors or even women with strollers i mean the more we make
00:53:57.480getting around easier the better we all are for it and at a far lower price you you think so right
00:54:03.800making things easier to do usually makes them cheaper as long as we design these things with
00:54:12.920some common sense and don't automatically go for flashy options that don't have
00:54:20.840and a real-life impact there's so much we could be doing yeah and you'd spoken
00:54:29.120of age which is a program directed to people with serious disabilities and
00:54:34.040it's an integral one I mean some people just just can't get to work or don't have
00:54:37.640that opportunity and it's I think perfectly fair to target and support
00:54:41.180people in there but if people want to try and be self-determining we we don't
00:54:45.320want to hinder that in any way whatsoever either well exactly I'm a
00:54:49.520a recipient of age right now it's very difficult for me to get a job i'd like that to be easier
00:54:56.640um and these programs are designed for people who have um less ability to get into the traditional
00:55:09.040employment market i'd like to think and i would like i'd like to think that i can be part of that
00:55:18.720market so i don't necessarily think i'm the target demographic for these things they are important
00:55:29.200but they shouldn't be the model for everything that we do oh and i i think it's in the name as
00:55:35.680well i mean it's an income support but hopefully and theoretically it's just something you're
00:55:39.600taking along the way somewhere or for a period of time or maybe supplementing another income
00:55:44.800but i mean it shouldn't be an end and that that's what uh the fear is i guess you know it shouldn't
00:55:49.280be just a where you go and stop exactly whereas a universal basic income program is that's built
00:55:56.720right into it that's the whole thing it's it it's there it's an end i mean not just people
00:56:01.520with disabilities i mean there's a much broader discussion of course that a lot of people who are
00:56:06.640you know not disabled are still going to sit around and become career video gamers because
00:56:11.040they can get that support absolutely this is this is what you end up when you artificially
00:56:19.680inflate on people's bank accounts with programs like this it i and i've heard the argument that
00:56:29.360it doesn't but you can't sit there and reasonably tell me that this doesn't de-incentivize
00:56:37.680employment because it does well absolutely and not everybody's immune from it i mean we're seeing
00:56:42.720this with people coming off sir when i when i used to work in the oil field i remember
00:56:47.840we would hit spring breakup it's called where you get pretty slow for a few months every spring
00:56:52.160quite often i'd be sitting around the house for sometimes as long as two months at a time
00:56:55.760and i start out at home oh i'm gonna catch up on the yard work and i'm gonna do that the longer i0.98
00:57:00.160saw the lazier i tended to get and the harder it was to get off my butt and uh you know you you0.73
00:57:07.360the longer with serb and other things we get some people have become into a bad pattern0.87
00:57:11.280in dependency that that's not healthy for them or anybody outside of there well i was gonna say
00:57:16.320even if you even if you take into account the lockdowns for say we all had to sit at home for
00:57:24.400several months and even those of us who wanted to get back out there going again it's it's hard to
00:57:33.680restart that engine once you turn it off so not necessarily for all of us but there were a large
00:57:42.560percentage of people that got used to the um lifestyle that sir provided which i don't think
00:57:52.720is a positive one for our economy or our health actually so no and and again i mean the goal of
00:58:01.920it being just a temporary filler as with uh if a person's capable of working it should hopefully
00:58:07.440just be something that's a support that's needed temporarily uh serve i mean i understand the need
00:58:12.720for it i mean hey if the government made it illegal for you to work well then they are obligated to
00:58:17.200to make it possible for you to pay your bills, but let's get people back to work.
00:58:22.300And then we don't have to worry about the service and the same applies to age.0.65
00:58:39.520Um, I just do want to touch real quickly on the thesis of your, your show about
00:58:47.200where the ICU beds are as well, because I did another column with regards to there needs to be a blueprint to get us permanently out of restrictions,
00:59:04.460but that requires the government to actually have intellectual conversations with us
00:59:12.980about the goals and the statistics that go along with the restrictions
00:59:20.180and the problems with our health system.
00:59:25.900And nobody seems to be wanting to have that conversation.
00:59:31.420they seem to be content running around without a plan and it's just making more and more of us
00:59:39.860tune them up yeah well an instability it's a killer for all of us i mean we don't know as
00:59:45.800you said we don't see we understand the path could change but nobody's even determined to
00:59:52.140lay out the path how are we going to get out of this when are we going to get out of this
00:59:55.720uh you know let's have a talk about getting out of this and now we're just kind of writing it and
01:00:00.860reacting all the time when something happens rather than planning for it before it gets here
01:00:05.100well exactly and we've been doing this for two years like you said you'd think we would have
01:00:11.500tried some things to improve the actual sustainability of the systems we're trying
01:00:19.980to protect as well but again this implies that there's a level of intellectual integrity that
01:00:30.140sometimes I don't think we're seeing. Well, we've got a complicated situation. I mean, I do think
01:00:36.840that Premier Kenney was trying, you know, to get us back to normal. He burned, unfortunately, you
01:00:42.880know, he said, we're going to have the best summer ever. We're opening up. We're backing off. This is
01:00:47.500done. We're finished. He really invested a lot of political capital into it. And unfortunately, you
01:00:53.120know, the pandemic surged in fall. He ended up returning to restrictions. Anti-restriction people
01:00:58.280were furious the pro restriction where people were saying it never would have happened if he
01:01:01.800restricted in the first place and now i think he's kind of afraid of trying to announce anything
01:01:05.800more than two weeks out ever again because it might blow up on him well yeah you you've painted
01:01:10.600yourself policy wires into a corner where no matter what you do you're wrong in someone's eyes
01:01:19.000so it's better to do nothing which makes everybody mad at you yeah that's about it so maybe you know
01:01:27.080if premier kenny gets to that point and realizing hey you're getting it on either side no matter
01:01:31.080what you do you might as well pick somewhere and just go for it because spinning you know sitting
01:01:35.160in one spot like this isn't doing anybody any favors exactly but yeah to get back to
01:01:41.240the conversation originally don't be afraid to push against these
01:01:47.800Because I did some research for the column on UBI, and 95% of the articles are all about what a great thing UBI is and how many people will be lifted out of poverty.
01:02:10.800I think that's just an excellent way of fudging the numbers, where you can report that you've declined the level of poverty in your country by such a substantial amount, but the actual quality of life hasn't changed that much.
01:02:37.240yeah no i mean we got to look at the real outcome and what the goals are as one of the commenters
01:02:43.340is saying there brad uh how can i think it is or hoggan says your guest should coach kenny there
01:02:47.680we go so maybe one of the jobs available would be uh as an advisor to our provincial government
01:02:52.640they can certainly use it if you're listening i'm here i'm not gonna complain but yeah i i will keep
01:03:02.180putting my opinions out there and if people want to listen to them that's excellent yeah no and
01:03:10.000it's appreciated before we get going though um i i do want to close up with so as you're talking
01:03:14.280about let's say in this world where they they set aside ubi and said to heck with that you're right
01:03:18.920and decided to invest a large number into getting more accessibility and things uh what are some of
01:03:24.000the target areas that are presenting challenges to you and and other people that that need
01:03:28.440rectification right now well stairs are a natural enemy of mine and many of those like me um but
01:03:37.560one people don't think about is uh snow removal usually when we're in calgary uh pushing the snow
01:03:47.160from the middle of the road and just creating uh windrows that not only get me stuck and unable to
01:03:57.800travel well throughout the city but getting untold numbers of cars trapped as well
01:04:07.080it'd be better to invest the time not into snow and ice control but actual removal and
01:04:16.600and things like that. But if more buildings could have ramps and elevators, some of them
01:04:26.600can't even if you want help, you can't right now because our historical building code doesn't
01:04:35.600allow you to renovate older buildings downtown.
01:04:40.600So some building code improvements. I mean, that's not even necessarily an expensive thing,
01:04:44.600though i mean it does put things on to the the building owners but i mean these are ways we can
01:04:48.920change things so i mean appreciate that because there's things we take for granted and forget and
01:04:53.400uh even then if somebody's being selfish now well don't forget if you're lucky enough to live a long
01:04:58.840enough age chances are uh you're gonna need some help getting around later so invest for your
01:05:03.320future you're gonna end up here eventually whether it's because you got gray hair because you were
01:05:09.000born with it doesn't matter you're gonna end up in the same place there you go well i really uh
01:05:16.680appreciate you coming on to talk to me jacob now you've got a podcast as well and and you put out
01:05:21.720the occasional uh columns and such so uh before you go where can we find out more and what you're
01:05:26.920up to your uh your podcast and your your twitter account and such yeah so the podcast called your
01:05:32.360neck of the woods our humble host here was actually a guest on it rather recently so feel
01:05:39.680free to check out that episode um my handle across social media is j mcgregor yyc um you're gonna
01:05:51.960find the podcast episodes there i'm gonna amplify community voices and i post the columns there as
01:06:01.740Well, working on a website for all of this, so it's all in one place, but I'd love to have more listeners and more people following what's going on.
01:06:16.540Well, and I'm sure they'll grow. It takes a little while. You keep putting it out, but as long as you're putting out common sense and good ideas, those listeners and readers do build up.
01:06:23.800So I'm looking forward to your future podcasts and columns as they come in.
01:06:28.940And again, thanks for coming on to talk to us today, Jacob.
01:07:18.740That's the kind of discussions we need to have.
01:07:20.500And as he said, it's breaking the orthodoxy a bit. He's talking a little differently than some other people in the community might on on that issue. And as we discuss it, hopefully, theoretically, eventually, we'll get better policy. Now, you know, another area I'm going to go into quickly here is a video. If Nico's got it really cute. I mean, we're talking about access. We're talking about downtown. We're talking about getting people to work and and our transit system in Calgary. I want to give a bit of a warning with this video.
01:07:49.180it's it's a mess i mean transit's terrible and that's what uh my rant was on yesterday was the
01:07:55.280drug use problems we have on it the fact that they're now such a problem with homeless and
01:07:59.860addicted people and in stations that they're closing them late at night uh starting last night
01:08:03.960and people are scared to ride it transits to something like 30 percent of capacity as it is
01:08:08.260already yet we're building a green line well coincidentally just this morning when i get on
01:08:12.760i get on twitter and i see uh tom ross from city tv was riding the train last night in downtown
01:08:18.860calgary at about 10 30 and he witnessed uh what uh appeared to be a stabbing uh and a terrible fight
01:08:25.180uh we've just got a 40 second video because i just want to drive home this is just random this is what
01:08:29.900happens this is a guy who just happened to ride it that night pulled out his phone because this
01:08:33.660is happening all the time there's some swearing in this video and and uh you know there's some
01:08:39.100violence so if if you know you might want to tune out for 40 or 50 seconds here but i really want
01:08:43.900just people to see this is typical this is a problem and this is why we
01:08:48.540cannot we people don't want to ride the train so have a look at this
01:08:55.500The next Tuscan retreat will arrive in six minutes.1.00
01:13:57.740But somehow these imbeciles think if we defund the police, it's going to make it better.0.99
01:14:00.640If I'm walking downtown in that dystopian nightmare that you see right down there at night,0.99
01:14:05.080I don't want to see police out there tackling these addicts and arresting them and handcuffing them,
01:14:08.900unless they're getting violent like they did.
01:14:10.660But I want to see a police presence around so I know I'm not alone if one of these guys has smoked too much meth,
01:14:16.560popped a brain cell, and decided that a knife would look good between my ribs.
01:14:19.900I mean, other Calgarians are thinking that, and I'm a medium-sized, you know, middle-aged man.
01:14:27.880I don't have as much to fear as a smaller young lady might, or an older lady, or just a person in not the physical condition to be able to defend themselves from some of these things.
01:14:37.960And we can't pretend that some of these addicted people aren't dangerous.
01:14:40.940That's why I just had to get that video on there to remind you.
01:14:45.160It's serious, it's dangerous, and it's an embarrassment.
01:14:49.780I mean, that was one of the, you know, I used to travel a lot.
01:15:14.480But that's, of course, because they were absolutely terrified of the local authorities.0.99
01:15:18.220Yeah, Moscow was at least overly crime-free at the time, but that's because there was no such thing as individual rights, civil rights, and human rights, so nobody dared touch an idiot, drunk foreigner wandering down the streets.0.99
01:15:28.740But that's not a good payoff and balance between order and disorder.0.95