Triggered: Will the government protect energy projects from extremists?
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Summary
Western Standard's Matthew Horwood, Dr. Monty Ghosh, and David Suzuki join me to talk about the growing opioid crisis, and the growing number of anti-pipeline protests across the country. We also discuss the recent protests in Nanaimo, BC, against the proposed Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project.
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Good morning. It's April 13th, 2022. It feels a lot more like it's mid-January right now.
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Either way, we are halfway through April. Welcome to Triggered. I'm Corey Morgan.
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This is the Western Standards Daily Show. We come at you live every day from 11.30 a.m. Mountain
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Standard Time until usually around 1 o'clock, Monday to Friday. We run interesting guests.
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we don't always have to agree with each other. Echo chambers are boring, but watching a bunch
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of people screaming at each other and calling each other names is not terribly exciting either.
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And if you really want to get into that, follow me on Twitter at Corey B. Morgan.
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That's where we can really get into the cesspool of the more negative discussion.
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Here, we're going to try and be a little more productive with these things.
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David, Randy, Scott, Ashley, Dash, lots of people.
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I just love seeing how we're getting people coming from all across the country.
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We had a good contingent from the Maritimes out there for one of those earlier shows.
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I love watching you all checking in and seeing where everybody is coming in from.
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We're the Western Standard, but we speak to issues all over.
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And my first guest will be talking about Canadian issues.
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It's Western Standards Parliamentary Bureau Chief Matthew Horwood.
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And he has been writing a number of stories, of course, on federal politics and international politics and things such as that.
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She's from the Canadian Society of Addiction Medicine.
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And we're going to talk about addiction treatment, harm mitigation, things like that.
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It's impacting everybody. It's big. There's a lot of misconceptions. There's a lot of anger.
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There's a lot of different points of view on how we can address this growing issue that's really
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turning into a massive problem. I'd like to speak to, and I'm looking forward to speaking to a guy
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who works directly in it, working on how we can treat people, get them back into society, get
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them better. It's better for all of us. So that'll be a great conversation. Now, in the meantime,
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time. Let's see what's got me wound up today. Well, the protest season is coming. Again,
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it doesn't seem like it outside, but we're getting into spring. Things are getting warm.
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So wet's a wetton was a trending term in social media last week as anti-energy protesters backed
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by various vacuous Hollywood celebrities did their spring warm-ups for the protest season.
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David Suzuki, of course, attended anti-energy protests as usual, but he did manage to keep
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himself from calling for the bombing of pipelines this time. So I guess we can give him a little
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credit there. A handful of idiots glued themselves to the doors of an RBC branch in Nanaimo. They
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were demanding the bank divests in all investment from the coastal gas link project. They did cut
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them loose and I don't know, give them tickets and let them go. I think they should have left
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them glued there and fed them a bunch of laxatives and had a live feed camera on them. Let's make an
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example of these guys. They really want to hang out there. Let's give them what they want. But
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But of course, in our society, we don't do such things.
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They are lucky that all I can do is talk about things I'm not actually in charge.
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Now, the flakes out there, they've been cooped up for two years,
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and they're chafing to get out protesting in force.
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That's why I'm saying they're just warming up right now.
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Thanks to Canada's wretched regulatory environment,
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construction on the CGL line and the Trans Mountain expansion have been agonizingly slow.
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And this leaves plenty of time for these extremists to continue in their efforts
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While we still have some of the peaceful protesters from the truckers' convoy protests in jail without bail,
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even now, our governments can't seem to find the will to follow through with serious charges
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against the chronic and often violent protesters who repeatedly attack energy projects.
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It's been months since the eco-terrorists attacked a pipeline site with firebombs and axes in northern BC.
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So far, we've heard no updates on the progress of the investigation, if indeed there has been any.
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How they've misplaced 20 terrorists in an isolated northern BC community, I don't know,
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There have been no arrests and no warrants issued yet.
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Do we have to wait until they actually kill somebody?
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Is it the way these terrorists have been escalating their efforts?
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Now, if the government put half the effort into quelling illegal protests
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against energy projects that they did in banning bouncy castles from Ottawa,
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most of our pipeline projects would probably already be done by now.
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In a recent CBC story, yes, the state broadcaster,
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a B.C. Supreme Court judge actually asked prosecutors
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to consider contempt of court charges against 27 people who were arrested last fall
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while illegally and dangerously setting up blockades on roads in northern BC.
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It's no wonder the protesters feel they can assault workers on projects with impunity
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A group of extreme protesters calling themselves the Tiny House Warriors,
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they've set up a semi-permanent camp near Blue River, BC,
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from which they've been staging an ongoing harassment campaign
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against Trans Mountain Pipeline workers for a couple of years now.
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The leader of that group is an extremist named Amanda Soper.
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She likes to go by her alias, Canoas Manuel,
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and she's got an arrest record that's just too long to list
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What's lacking, though, in this whole issue, this whole scenario,
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I mean, Trudeau has proven the ability of the government to quell even a massive protest
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supported by a large segment of the population,
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and he was even willing to invoke a version of the War Measures Act in order to do so.
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The federal government actions against the truckers' convoy were a gross overreach
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I'm not saying I want to see more gross overreach,
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but what the government did prove, though, is they no longer have any excuse to sit on their hands
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while small groups of increasingly violent criminals continue to attack legal energy projects in B.C.
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Clearly, the government has the means and resources to shut down these protests.
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It just has to be concluded they don't want to.
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So as the weather warms and with the pandemic restrictions, for the most part, being lifted right now,
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we can look forward to large-scale actions being taken against these energy projects in B.C.
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We even have, like I said, judges asking for contempt charges.
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It's not like we don't know who the bad actors are and that there's not really that many of them.
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Still, the government won't act, and our economy and energy sector will pay the price.
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This price may even be in human lives if these protests are allowed to keep escalating in their violent nature.
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If only the protesters in B.C. would erect a bouncy castle or honk some horns or build a hot tub,
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maybe then the government would take their crime seriously.
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In the meantime, we just have to hope for the best and, I guess, thoughts and prayers for the workers on those pipelines.
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Maybe one day we'll actually get coastal access increased for our products out here in the West.
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That's what's got me triggered going into this Easter, Passover, holy long weekend.
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Let's bring our news editor, Dave Naylor, in to talk about the other news.
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He's been really churning out the stories up there today on Western Standard.
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So let's see. Here we go. Hey, Dave, how's it going?
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Hey, one of my sources, who shall remain nameless but sometimes goes by the name of Eva,
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It says you and Jane are considering a nude Easter egg hunt out in the compound this weekend.
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Well, yes, I like to go out, you know, alfresco when I can and being pretty, you know, in a rural area.
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It really helps, you know, just kind of freshen up and greet the spring.
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But with this weather coming in, you know, there's not going to be much to be seen anyways.
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Not that I was ever exceptionally gifted anyhow, but most things I'm certain will be tucked away for the weekend.
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but we've got to get our spring romp out of the way before I get those new bees into the yard,
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so we'll see what happens there. I'm glad Eva was interested, though.
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Yeah, well, you've got to be careful this weekend for shrinkage, Corey, because it is going to be chilly.
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Well, that's what I mean, you know, and when you had a small stack of coins to start with,
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The aforementioned Eva's got a story up on Pat King,
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one of the main organizers or spokespeople of the trucker convoy protest in ottawa has been
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denied bail once again he's been behind bars since february 18th and has even got some new
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charges late today including uh including perjury uh our chris in uh regina's got an update on the
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hospital situation there it's not looking good uh being treated in the hallways in the waiting room
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as they are being swamped with hospitalizations.
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Canadian Forces troops are in the air being deployed again overseas.
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They're off to Poland to help with the resettlement of Ukraine refugees in that country.
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4.7 million people have now fled to Ukraine ahead of Putin's thugs.
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And it's good to see Canada pitch in and offer a helping hand.
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Our Mel Rizdin has got a story on the Calgary Police Service, looking to hire a few good men and women.
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They're very short staffed right now, and we've talked to some officers who are frustrated about staffing levels and being overworked,
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and the force is now trying to do everything they can to hire 135 new officers this year.
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Speaking of the Wet'suwet'en protest, Corey, you remember Amber Bracken,
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a journalist from the Narwhal, being arrested inside the protest site.
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She's been given all sorts of awards, even though the RCMP have questioned what exactly happened
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and said she didn't even tell them that she was a journalist until after the cuffs were slapped on.
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Bill Gates is in Vancouver today at a TED Talk greeted by the usual vaccine protesters.
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He's kind of calling them all a little strange and a little weird.
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He doesn't quite get what they're talking about.
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Our Dave Makachuk takes a look at the Pierre Poliev campaign and his thoughts on how well that's going.
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And our Mike Thomas has got a story on Elon Musk making a kazillion dollar offer to buy all of Twitter and take it private.
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The Twitter board is in an emergency meeting as we speak, trying to decide what the heck they're going to do.
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So maybe if we're quick enough, Corey, we could pool our money and put in a counter bid.
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Well, like I said, I've changes in demand around with me as much as I've got to spare,
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but we'll see what we total around here. Maybe we could get a piece of that.
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Yeah, at least a share or two anyways. So yeah, our staff's been busy little bunnies.
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We've got tons of stuff scheduled out over the next three days. So I wish all your viewers and
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yourself a happy Easter and there'll be lots to read on the website over the long weekend.
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I thought it was like some sort of Easter practical joke.
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Yeah, well, I didn't know we had an open animal policy.
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Yeah, as my mom says, those rabbits make good eating.
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as we can see that the content is getting up there.
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We have a number of reporters across the country and here in Calgary,
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and we are doing that because you guys have subscribed.
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Those stories, as we were talking about with the Wetsu West,
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and the media, and they're looking to give an award to these clowns.
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They were embedded with the protesters in the ground, on the ground, in a cabin,
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pretending to be protesters, pretending to be reporters.
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I don't know what they were, but that's the state of media now,
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and these guys get an award for this crap.
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involved with it. So yeah, looking at some of these things, you know, Mel's reporting on
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the Calgary Police Service, they're trying to hire, but who would want to work for them?
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You know, I mean, that's the problem they've got. Constantly abused by the police commission,
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crazed city councillors, and the RCMP, you know, this is a national thing, actually. Police in
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general can't find anybody who wants to do that job. I mean, they are just scrambling, but they're
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constantly getting crapped on. RCMP can't win. Local police can't win. I don't defend them with
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every action they do, but they get between a rock and a hard place. I mean, you're directed by your
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bosses to enforce the law. I'm not one of the ones who gets as upset with police when they're pushing
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in on protests as some people do. I'm more upset with the officials who guide them. I mean, when
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they've made that technically the law, the police are bound to act. And I don't want to go into the
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long discussion of that, but you know, if they don't act and things go out of control, the police
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catch the crap. If they do act and it goes out of control, the police catch the crap. They don't
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make a lot of money. And then I get, as I said, they get clowns calling for the defunding of them
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and things such as that. So it shouldn't be really much of a shocker that police forces are having
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trouble finding people who work for them. Again, I'm more of the libertarian point of view. You
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know, if we really want to go without police, I'm okay with that, but let's bring in some good
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stand your ground laws, open carry laws. Let me take care of myself. Let my neighborhood, perhaps,
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you know, we get all our neighbors down prettiest way to pitch in and we'll, I mean, we got 40
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minute police time at response times down there anyways. And we could hire our own private police
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force to take care of the area. Hey, you defunders, don't worry, we can take care of this. And I'll
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take care of my own property. Just leave me alone. If that's really where you want to go. But it
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isn't. They just talk to me. Ongoing, as we saw from from Chris Oldcorn, our Saskatchewan reporter
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has been writing and yeah, there's quite something going on in Saskatchewan. Their healthcare system
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again, and we're seeing this across the country. We're seeing this everywhere. And I've talked
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about this at length. There's hospitals are overwhelmed. It's not even just COVID. It's
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just the fact that the system can't keep up. The system's broken and people have to start
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realizing this. They got to admit this. So they got people getting hallway care in Saskatchewan
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right now. If COVID really does resurge hard and really starts hospitalizing a large number of
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people, they're really up the creek in Saskatchewan. Two years into this and every province in the
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country has been incapable of expanding, you know, at least reasonably expanding their health care
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capacity. That's why we got to start actually looking at the system, guys, because we've spent
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more money. Heaven knows we've spent more money. We've massively increased spending and still we're
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as vulnerable as we've ever been. We've got to set aside the ideology and embrace the reality
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that despite what we've been told for many, many years, our health care system isn't the best in
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the world. It's actually a very vulnerable one that leaves us hanging when we need it most. And
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it's a terrible situation to be in. Let's hope not too many people have to die in hallways before
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they figure that out. So just to go further before I get on to Matthew, I just a story I was looking
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at too. There's groups fearing a partisan inquiry. There's 15 civil liberties groups petitioned
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cabinet for an open and independent inquiry to the prime minister's use of the emergency
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police powers during the freedom convoy. And I don't like the way that was phrased in there.
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Again, as I like to put it, it was Trudeau using a version of the War Measures Act, because that's
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what it is. It was, I mean, the old War Measures Act was repealed, and it was replaced by this with
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some different phrasing, but that's what it was. It's an act for extreme circumstances where you
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can suspend the civil liberties of individuals to deal with an emergency. One of the clauses,
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at least, the people writing the act said they have to, you know, that they put into it, they
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said there has to be an inquiry within 60 days. So by April 24th, there has to be an inquiry into
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this thing and see if it was justified. We know it wasn't justified. But these civil liberties
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groups, they don't feel very confident that the inquiry is not, you know, going to be partisan
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and slanted one way or another and not lead to good outcomes, productive outcomes, learning from
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what was clearly a mistake. And I don't blame them. I don't hold a lot of confidence
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at that cabinet meeting and that inquiry is going to come to any good outcomes. But who knows?
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You know, sometimes politicians will suddenly find principles
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who, as I said, is from Ottawa, Matthew Horwood,
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let's talk about the other part that pays our bills,
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You know, you worry that you're putting your money
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Their whole business model, their site is based on helping you, facilitating your entry into the digital currency world.
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like in person, they still will do Zoom meetings so you're talking to a real person on the other
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Okay, let's bring Matthew in. I see him in the lobby there and I know he's going to be just
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bursting with a lot of stuff to talk about because it's been another exciting week in
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Ottawa Review. So hey there, Matthew, how's it going? Pretty good. How's it going, Corey?
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It's been all right. I'm getting ready for something of a long weekend, I guess.
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Oh yeah, yeah, same here. Right on. So is the weather a little better for you guys out there?
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I know Manitoba and Saskatchewan are getting hammered and we're in the midst of the second
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winter right now. How are things as far east as you are? Oh yeah, no snow here, just a lot of rain,
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very dreary today, but we're definitely getting into the summertime. Leaves will come out
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eventually for us. So yeah, with your top stories, I guess where to start? We are officially in the
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sixth wave. That's something you wrote recently on. Dr. Tam has informed us all that it is now
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time. We've hit the sixth one. Yeah, we are officially in the sixth wave, apparently.
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You know, I think I have the same view of you as you, Corey, where I'm a little bit more
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libertarian about the restrictions you know if people want to mask if they want to get vaccines
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if they want to lock down they can do that but um not about mandating those things for everybody
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enforcing them so that's that's really my big big fear is that and my hope is that we don't go back
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to these more restrictive measures that we've seen over the the past couple months um so yeah
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obviously don't want anybody to uh be harmed by covid want to take all the measures we can to
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keep them safe, but don't want to impact people's quality of lives and, you know, take away from
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their freedoms, their ability to make a living, and their mental and physical health. So we'll
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see what happens with it. Seems to be evidence that the wastewater levels are already going down
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a bit, but we'll just have to wait and see. Yeah, well, I mean, I think some things are
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changing, perhaps. Like, we're not seeing it, say, as we were working towards the fourth wave
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when the warnings were coming, or even the fifth. I mean, there's still some of the usual suspects
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screaming, you know, the doomsayers and the chicken littles. But for the most part, people
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are at a point of, oh, okay, well, it's the sixth one. Like there's more of a, it's not really
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getting the country on edge like it used to. I think we're starting to accept that this isn't
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going away. Yeah, exactly. The fear around it is definitely going down. People have acclimated to
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the warnings and all of the, you know, as you say, the sky is falling type people. And we also
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have the seasonality of viruses. You know, it's never going to be as many people dying from any
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kind of respiratory disease as we get into the spring and summer months. So I think the messaging
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in some cases, the fear mongering around it doesn't match the reality on the ground.
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Yeah. And I mean, again, we don't, I guess, necessarily want to be too complacent,
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but for people who are vulnerable people, I mean, hopefully we're learning, you know,
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if we can isolate the people who are truly vulnerable, we can mitigate the harm this
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could cause and just let everybody else get on with their lives. At least that's my hopes.
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Oh, for sure. There's definitely a way to protect people who are vulnerable without,
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you know, impacting negatively the rest of the population. I think there's a way to balance that.
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We're finding that way. Yeah. So we've got a federal race going on for the Conservative Party,
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Canada leadership. We've been covering, of course, Polyev was out here with massive rallies he's been
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holding and a lot of turnout and interest and excitement. Jean Charest is campaigning hard as
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well out there. I mean, a lot of people would consider him at least the second contender in
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this, and certainly a different political take than Polyev. You wrote that he's looking to
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expand the liberal child care program? He is, yeah. He supports keeping the liberals
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$30 billion daycare plan, but he would also go further on that and add a rebate of up to 75%
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of child care expenses for lower income families. Patrick Brown on the same day actually came out
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and said the same thing, that he would keep the provincial child care agreements the federal
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government made. So yeah, I think we're really seeing Sheree and Brown set themselves apart from
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Pierre Polyev on the political spectrum. Pierre, as I'm sure you've seen, has said that the liberals
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childcare program has made childcare more expensive than ever, has a very different view
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on these large government spending programs. So yeah. Yeah, it's just, it's been unusual. We'll
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see how voters accept it. I guess the strategy is, Sheree's point of view is, look, the liberal
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policies are what Canadians want, and we just need to change the face on who's running those
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policies. So he's going to campaign on essentially what the Trudeau Liberals are doing, and hope the
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Canadians are just kind of sick of the Liberal brand itself and switch over. Yeah, essentially,
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he seems to be kind of mirroring the Liberals' talking points, especially as you saw last week
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when he was talking about Pierre's supporting of the Freedom Convoy and how, you know, the laws of
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this country aren't just a buffet you can't pick and choose which ones you want to follow um
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sure said so he's really uh trying to set himself apart from Pierre Polyev in as many ways as
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possible at least that's where the way I see it yeah well it'll be an interesting race I mean as
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we were talking about too it's such a long one we got all the way till September 10th so a lot of
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developments can happen between now and then in popularity and and momentum but uh at least we
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got polarity you know give voters a choice you're not looking at all the same thing up there quite
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difference between Mr. Sheree and Mr. Paulio. For sure. Certainly not going to be a dull race.
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No. And then, so Lewis, you had an article, she's taken on the World Health Organization
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Pandemic Treaty? Yeah, this one's quite interesting. So the treaty
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set to be signed in May of 2024, it would include 190 countries would be legally binding. And what
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she says is that it would be essentially, Canada would be surrendering itself to the World Health
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organization when it comes to its response to pandemics and its sovereignty. So it's really
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interesting for me to see members of the Conservative Party calling out these larger,
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someone called globalist organizations, like the World Economic Forum, the World Health
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Organization. Question remains whether they have enough power to really do anything about it and
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whether they pull the strings on these sorts of matters. Yeah, I mean, those organizations only
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have as much power as the local government wants to give them. I think there's almost a bit too
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much paranoia when it comes to the World Economic Forum. I mean, their goals are very expressly
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stated. It's no conspiracy. Schwab wants kind of world socialism. There's no doubt about that.
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And there's no denying it. And it's still something to be worried about. But unless
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governments actually embrace what he wants to do, he really doesn't have much power in and of
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himself. But then when you see something right out of left field like that with Lewis of all
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candidates, you wouldn't have anticipated saying, well, we're going to let those guys kind of take
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over that aspect of our governance. And that kind of puts a lot of people on edge.
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Yeah, for sure. It's definitely very interesting to see Lewis go down that route. And yeah, I agree
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with you that there is a lot of paranoia, conspiracy theories around the World Economic Forum and some
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of these large organizations, but they are very open with what their plans are. You know, you read
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Klaus Schwab's book, The Great Reset, which was released shortly after the pandemic began,
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he lays it all out there. So it's not as if they're these shadowy organizations operating
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behind the scenes. They're very open about what their plans are. It's just a question of whether
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Canadians really want to go for that. Yeah. And it does get concerning when we do here. I mean,
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Prime Minister Trudeau did parrot the language of talking about going for a great reset and things
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like that. And he actually has addressed the forum. So I can see why people are concerned if
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that's what his reading material is and that's who's advising him, then there's a chance he
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would be moving in that direction. But I mean, we also see some people labeling anybody and
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everybody as a WEF patsy and so on. And I don't think their reach is quite as far as some people
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are concerned about. Nothing to be dismissed, but not necessarily as insidious as some would think
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as well. Oh, for sure. I don't think they have their fingers in all the pies per se, but it is
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interesting to see politicians and global leaders parroting the language about building back better
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And that's that zero COVID strategy leading to the mess in Shanghai and the disaster.
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I mean, what it's doing to their citizens over there.
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Oh, it's just horrific, the footage we've seen.
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I mean, we've got people locked in their apartments for weeks on end that are screaming from their balconies,
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bags filled with pets that have been murdered by the government for possibly carrying COVID,
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And then, of course, you have the supply chains breaking down and the food shortages.
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And now the latest that I've heard is that fresh fruits and vegetables aren't being delivered to people out of fears that they might have the COVID virus on them.
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So it's just, yeah, you see, once again, the zero COVID strategy, how harmful it is to people.
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And while China's strategy has been much more extreme than what we've done in the West, it just, again, perfectly showcases how, in a lot of cases, the restrictions meant to curb COVID end up being more harmful than the virus could ever be itself.
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I mean, China has been an authoritarian state for a long, long time with some terrible policies, especially when it comes to animal rights in general.
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If you look farther back, I don't know if, you know, just a trivia tidbit in a sense, but Mao Zedong, when he was running China, he concluded that sparrows were part of what was causing hunger in China because they were eating too many seeds and green stuff.
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And he actually had the population slaughtering, chasing down, and just killing millions and millions of sparrows around the country, which again, with the diversion of resources and everything, actually led to more hunger and more starvation.
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But that's how bizarre an authoritarian state can get, and a populace willing to listen to them.
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Yeah, I have heard of that story. And because there were no birds to eat all the bugs, they ended up being the ones that were destroying the food supply and it made the situation worse. So it just goes to show how some of China's policies don't really make that much sense, but they have such a large population that if they lose 10 million people, 20 million people, it's unfortunately, morbidly to say, not much of a dent in their global power.
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No, and it's hard to, you know, I just look to them, I guess, as a beacon of warning for us
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to see how hard it is to break free from an authoritarian state. I mean, they're suffering,
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they're having a hard time. We saw, you know, you look a little too young to remember,
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but with Tiananmen Square, when that was really a pushback by a lot of students and young people,
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and it got crushed just terribly violently by the Chinese. There are some people trying to push
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back, but once you're in that hole of an authoritarian state, it is extremely difficult
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to break back out of it. And it's incremental. You know, they keep taking your rights little
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by little and suddenly you realize you've lost them. Absolutely. It's definitely a slippery
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slope. And some people who, you know, might see the things people complain about and are concerned
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by as not being that big of a deal. But once those things are locked in, it's very hard to get rid
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of them and authoritarian measures stick around. Saw that after the 9-11, you know, the war on
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terror always continued because there's always a threat of terrorism. There's always going to be
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threat of pandemics, so we could see the COVID measures and restrictions continue in some form.
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Yeah, those things, you definitely don't want them to get locked in, or else you can't get rid of
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them. No, so going further, I guess, you know, Parliament wasn't in session this week, what,
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maybe some committee stuff, but when are they reopening and coming back in?
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Next week at some point. I'm not exactly sure on the dates, but we'll be back soon.
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Okay, so are there any things you're anticipating, pressing bills, debates,
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things like that, that I expect will be coming up in the next session as they sit down?
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Well, I have a few stories coming up in the next week. I have a New Brunswick professor,
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Rod Cumberland. He was let go from his university position for questioning the use of the herbicide
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glyphosate and its impacts on deer populations in New Brunswick, but also its impacts on human health
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We are now alongside Nicaragua, Armenia, and Azerbaijan
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in having zero ounces of the world's most precious metal.
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So I would like to, in the context of the economic volatility
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and in context of Russia making moves to peg its currency to gold,
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I'd like to speak with some economic experts and maybe some MPs and see what they think of,
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you know, getting rid of all of our precious metals. It's quite, it's an interesting move.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, our currencies are all around the world. I mean, we've just shaken the economies
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around the entire globe. I mean, under the basis of the pandemic and now the war in Ukraine,
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having, I don't know, it's a complicated area, you know, the economic policy, but you move away from
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some sort of physical basis of it, such as a precious metal. And it seems that your
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fiat currency can become that much more volatile. Yeah, exactly. You'd think you'd want to have at
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least some gold bars in reserve for rainier days on the economic stage. But I'm not an economist,
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that's why I want to speak to the people who really know what they're talking about and see
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what this means. Because I think it's very interesting, but I don't know the full economic
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implications and, and why they would have decided to do that. So, yeah, well, I mean, there's, you
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know, when, when it comes to economists, you get three economists come into the room and they'll
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give you three completely different perspectives. It's certainly a science that lands with a lot
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of opinion. So there's a lot of basis in reality in it too. Exactly. Hard to have a crystal ball
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too, when you're looking at larger economic trends. Absolutely. Any other events, leadership
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race related or anything like that you're watching out there right now? Or I'm closely
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watching for when Jean Charest is going to have a political event in Ottawa. As with any other
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candidates, I'd really like to get down there and do some more live tweeting and live reporting on
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what they have to say. Great. And since you're out there, I wanted to ask before I let you go too.
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I've heard from a couple others, like, are there still any remnants of the truckers' convoy
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protesters out there? Like some of them, when they disbanded, they'd moved to different parks
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or areas outside. They were kind of camping and staying, and there's still been the odd
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protests coming out. Does it look like it's kind of wound up now or there's still a little
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remnant to that going on? It's definitely not wound up. There are some very small groups still
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out there. Last weekend on Saturday, there was a group of, I'd say no more than 30 that went on a
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little march down in downtown Ottawa. Now I have heard, I mentioned before about a biker rally
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that's supposed to show up in Ottawa at the end of this month. And I heard rumors, you know, this
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isn't official reporting. This is just something I heard, but that a group of people who have been
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injured by COVID vaccines are planning some sort of a gathering in Ottawa during the summertime.
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So whether that turns into anything, whether that becomes a huge movement remains to be seen,
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but definitely not winding up this point. There's just small groups of people. It's really wound
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down. Yeah, well, we'll see what happens. I mean, there's still federal mandates going on,
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but for the most part, provinces have backed off on theirs. And I think a lot of people protesting
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have kind of, in Calgary, we had those ones going on for a while too, but they've wound down now to
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a smaller one that goes on in a park every weekend, but I got a feeling they're all waiting.
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I mean, if the mandates come back, if people do panic and they, with this sixth wave or seventh
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wave or 12th wave, the people who protested before are probably going to come out and force
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very quickly this time. Oh yeah. It's all contingent on what happens with the mandates
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and the restrictions and everything. And now that they've protested before, they'll be gung-ho to go
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out and do it again. Absolutely. Well, thank you very much for keeping an eye on things out there
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that really can get under your skin pretty quickly.
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So likewise, Rachel's got a deal with downtown Edmonton
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and every capital gets similar sorts of issues.
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It's been great and having that coverage coming,
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you know, it's hard to believe only two and a half years ago,
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And then Chris Sims from the Taxpayers Federation called him out and said,
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it's read in your policies from your ministry, so you're either mistaken or you're full of crap.
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I think with Gilbo, the chances of him being full of crap are on the higher side.
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But I think they talked along the lines because one of the questions was people paying even on used vehicles this tax.
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I think the tax would be applied at time of sale, at point of sale, though I'm not 100% sure.
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But yeah, they want to punish you for having a large vehicle.
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And it's interesting watching the discussions, you know, watching some of the ivory tower hammerheads out there
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saying things. I saw one of those on Twitter. Of course, there's got lots of those hammerheads
00:37:37.220
out there along the lines of, you know, nobody needs pickup trucks. We don't really need those
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anyways. And the people who do have them are just, you know, rednecks and such. Yeah, well,
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okay, those rednecks are building your homes and fixing your plumbing and growing your food and
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finding your energy. Those rednecks, you know, are kind of important to you. They're your city
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workers keeping the roads from falling apart on you. They're the landscapers keeping your lawns
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from overgrowing. But it shows the class war almost that's going on within Canada, right?
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Hey, you're a second class citizen if you're somebody who has a pickup truck. And you know
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what? If you want one just because you like pickup trucks, that's good enough. It's nobody else's
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business why you have one. You shouldn't have to justify it. But to see those clowns, and that's a
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lot of that attitude. That's a lot of it. And that crosses lines politically all over the place. It's
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And we see that again when it comes to firearms.
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And I'll speak to our next sponsor in a moment on that.
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You know, because a lot of those people, they don't hunt.
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But then they want to take it away from everybody else.
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They say, well, if I don't need one, why does anybody else need one?
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It doesn't matter why anybody else needs one or wants one.
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as long as they aren't harming you, leave them the hell alone. But I mean, people can't do that.
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They just won't stop looking over the neighbor's fence and getting on their case.
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So I will speak to our speaking of that. And I'm going to be at the firearms show in Calgary,
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by the way, I'll remind you at the end of the show, James and I are going to be set up down
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there with the Western Standard. And it's in Calgary at the Seven Chiefs Sportsplex in the
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Southwest. And as well, I'm sure they're going to be represented there is going to be the Canadian
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Shooting Sports Association. These guys have been a great sponsor for us and they are speaking up
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for your rights and abilities to have, use, trade, whatever with firearms. As long as it's legal and
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not harming anybody, that's your right. They have all sorts of resources on their site. If you get
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on there and check it out too, you know, like any association, that's where you can network with
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other firearm owners. It's where you can get videos for safe use of firearms and things such as that.
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The other thing they got going is a number of legal challenges against the government
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on your behalf because the government's trying to take away your property.
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They're trying to take away your right and ability to use firearms,
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and they keep recategorizing them and stealing them.
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And again, I keep using that term, but it's the truth.
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If you don't have a choice, when they say your hunting rifle is now assault style
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and we've illegalized it and we're going to come take it,
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even if they're paying you for it, they're saying we're going to compensate you,
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it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. When you haven't given permission to sell it,
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it's being stolen. I don't care if they give you some money afterwards. It doesn't work that way.
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It doesn't work that way, or it shouldn't work that way. So you got to stand up for yourself.
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Take out a membership with the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, because if you don't stand up
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for your own rights, they will take them away from you. And that's what's happening. These
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now a little more. I'm going to play a very short video clip, but it really illustrates, it's from
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England, the pure abject stupidity of environmental anti-oil and gas protesters. So we'll run that
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little video clip here for a second, and then I can talk a little more on the brilliance of these
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guys. What are they achieving? Well, what they're saying is they want maximum disruption to stop
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the government extracting oil and gas. Yeah, but that's cooking oil. I don't know if you're used
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to or familiar with accents, and that was somebody's recorded from a television, but
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what was happening was somewhere in England, some idiots had been blocking, you know, these
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environmental extremists blockading an oil tank, and they figured they're going to stop the
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extraction of oil and gas. And as this gentleman pointed out, it's a cooking oil tank. It's from
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restaurants. It's canola oil. It's deep fryer oil, you idiots. But it doesn't matter to them.
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These aren't rational people. And we keep indulging them. And we keep bending over for
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them. And they're costing us. As I said, I mean, in the extremes, they're getting dangerous as we
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see out on the coastal gas link project. And on the smaller extremes, we have these idiots blocking
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tanks of cooking oil. Oil's oil to them. Well, if anything, they should blockade their own hair
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because I've been around enough hippies to know that the oil content on their skulls due to lack
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of personal hygiene is a health hazard for people in general as well. So if they really got a problem
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with uncontrolled oil, give them some head and shoulders. So getting further with that,
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this is a story of the watchdog buried a complaint. This is a press watchdog because
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I mentioned a little bit of that earlier with these environmental journalists and they got
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grants from the state broadcaster, the CBC to go out and do this. And they were out at the protests
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They suddenly turned themselves into media members
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again, our media, you know, we've got a media organization as well that is looking to give
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these guys a journalistic award. For what? I mean, it's one thing to go and attend and take part
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at these. I understand. I understand the concept of embedded reporters, of embedded coverage.
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Of course, get in there, get us some unique content, even have a bit of slant. I mean,
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people are human. They're not robots. They're going to even unconsciously be leading one way
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or another. But these clowns with the narwhal, which is just an environmental rag, and, you know,
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under with some money from our dollars, our wallets, our tax dollars, went out, and they didn't just
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embed themselves. They joined the protest. That's a big difference. It's a big line that's crossed.
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But as I was saying earlier, we've got a federal government that loves shutting down our oil and
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gas. They're ideologically driven. They're insane. They're led by Trudeau. I mean, come on, the guy
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gets his shoes on the wrong feet 50-50 in the morning. You know, he's only got a half and half
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chance of doing it right if he doesn't have an assistant. So this isn't a guy who's going to
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look in a cerebral manner on the importance of domestic energy supplies. So, I mean, every
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little way they can keep undercutting, they will do so. So when we're spending tax dollars to put
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these protesters cloaked as media members down into these sites, they're more than happy not
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to follow up on it. So, I mean, it's distressing. I mean, how do we, and that's what I get back to,
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it's self-serving. This is why though I want to see more independent media. We're responsible to
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you guys. If we pulled a stunt that far over the top, that foolish and violated that many
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journalistic principles, we should be disciplined by it. And we'd be disciplined by you guys. You
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say, you know what? I'm canceling my subscription. I'm done watching you clowns. You don't deserve
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my attention any longer because you've abused your position as journalists. So we reward them
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on the other side with tax dollars with us. Again, we're responsible to you guys. And these guys,
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again, I can't believe, you know, they're actually been submitted for the Canadian Journalism
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Foundation's Award for Excellence in Journalism. I don't know. Going out, getting myself arrested,
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forcing police to drag me out of a spot shouldn't lead to me getting an award for excellence in
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journalism, I would think. But what do I know about it? So what else are we going to get into
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I mean, it's only half a percentage point to 1%,
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but when you look at the trend and the acceleration
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and these things that sound small have a large impact
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Yet at the same time, that is the only, well, no, that's the prime mechanism that the government
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uses to battle inflation, which puts a lot of fiscal pressure on a lot of people, particularly
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The other way, of course, would be to try to reduce the borrowing load and stop having
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the Bank of Canada issuing so much new currency and putting out those bonds.
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That would reduce inflation too, but that gets a little more abstract and doesn't have
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as quick an effect as just increasing borrowing rates.
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But the bottom line is what happens is if you increase the borrowing rates, it slows the economy and people will purchase less.
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But it comes at a price and it comes with making everything more expensive for a lot of people.
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And unfortunately, we've got a lot of people very deep in debt these days.
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And they're only one or two more points away from not being able to make their mortgage payment or their car payment.
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Or if, unfortunately, they've racked up their credit cards too much.
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you know, that's a personal issue. But guys, I just say it, if you're in debt, try to get out
00:46:47.440
of it right now, guys, because the interest rates are only going to go up. It's been too tempting.
00:46:50.920
I think we've been spoiled by those low rates for quite some time now and let ourselves really
00:46:55.220
borrow a lot. If you've got the means to get a little out of that debt hole, now is the time to
00:47:01.260
do it. And these are, yeah, just fiscally dangerous and difficult times. One other thing, speaking to
00:47:08.240
somebody who has a lot of liquid cash that was mentioned and it's coming up for the hearings.
00:47:11.900
Before I get to my guest, I will speak to him about that one more time because
00:47:14.640
one of the most interesting people I think in the world is Elon Musk. I don't agree with
00:47:18.840
everything he does, but boy, he certainly is his own person. He's a disruptor and he just likes
00:47:24.220
shaking things up. So not content with having stirred everybody up by buying 9% of Twitter.
00:47:29.980
He's gone out now with a full out takeover attempt with spending $40 billion is unimaginable
00:47:36.840
amount of money. And they're having, I guess, an emergency board meeting and they're considering
00:47:41.400
blocking his attempt. But from what I've heard, now it's a publicly traded company. The shareholders,
00:47:47.280
of course, this made the price of shares go up dramatically. And if the board blocks this sale,
00:47:53.200
those people who could theoretically have made out very well with that purchase and selling
00:47:57.640
their shares to Musk are going to be very, very upset. And they may sue the board or at least
00:48:02.540
Twitter itself. So it's complicated, guys. You can't just simply stop Musk and say no.
00:48:09.400
And the board will be robbing people of that. And what he would do if he got full control of
00:48:14.300
Twitter? I don't know. I don't know. He's so just brilliantly unpredictable. I got to admit,
00:48:20.700
just as a guy who likes to see a little crazed anarchy, I just love watching Musk in action.
00:48:25.700
He's not a, if we're going to have billionaires, at least let's not have them be boring. And he's
00:48:29.700
certainly not that. So we'll be watching that with interest. I think at one o'clock today or
00:48:34.400
something, they're going to have some sort of meeting. So I'm going to go on to a little more
00:48:38.000
darker stuff, but the stuff I've talked about a lot on this show, it's a subject that's just
00:48:42.140
personal to me as a recovered alcoholic. It's personal in that I ran across a fatal overdose
00:48:49.860
on the way to the office some months ago. I wrote about that. It really shook me up.
00:48:54.260
All of us are seeing it. All of us are impacted by it. And I've had friends who've lost sons
00:48:59.620
it's the opioid crisis and and we really need some nuanced uh try to set the emotions aside
00:49:06.700
try to set the political ideology ideologies aside and have a discussion to figure out how
00:49:11.420
we can help address this and help people get avoid addiction get off addiction once they're there
00:49:17.520
and mitigate the harm until we can get them treated so i've got dr monty goshen he's from
00:49:23.120
the canadian society of addiction medicine to get some discussion just on real treatment options and
00:49:29.200
things we might be able to do. So thank you very much for joining me today, Dr. Ghosh. I've been
00:49:33.680
looking forward to this. Thanks for having me here. So you might have heard me on the introduction.
00:49:38.740
You know, it's a big issue. Everybody's concerned about it. Unfortunately, in a lot of levels,
00:49:42.340
it's become very politicized as we do. It's another human nature thing. But the opioid
00:49:48.940
crisis is just, it just seems to be expanding and completely out of control. And we're getting
00:49:55.120
mixed messaging on how we should be addressing this. Maybe can you give a rundown of where
00:50:00.340
things are sitting right now? Absolutely. So right now at this time, we're about five deaths
00:50:05.200
a day in Alberta. So to put that into perspective, that's about the equivalent or actually more so
00:50:12.020
than heart attacks. People dying from heart attacks today, people dying from car accidents
00:50:15.560
today, people dying from murders, right, as well. So we're having a high rate of overdoses at this
00:50:21.720
moment and it's just rising we haven't been able to quell it uh i think what we need to sort of
00:50:27.000
deal with this is a multi-factorial approach a multi-pronged approach if you may um and it's
00:50:34.200
basically the full spectrum you know you talked about ideology but the truth is we need a full
00:50:38.680
menu of options for our patients uh to help them overcome this and this goes from everything from
00:50:43.960
recovery oriented services which i know our alberta government's pushing forward to harm reduction
00:50:48.200
getting more supervised consumption sites out there using the the virtual options as well
00:50:52.200
getting the locks on kits out there too uh you know we need to throw everything we can
00:50:56.680
at this epidemic and and see how we can best sort of mitigate the rising uh rising overdose deaths
00:51:03.960
yeah one of the controversial areas has been and i've been a bit critical on it i still support
00:51:08.920
some of it like with harm reduction if we're talking supervised consumption sites and things
00:51:12.680
such as that but uh they have limitations i guess i don't want to see an end to them but we can't
00:51:18.040
look at them as a panacea as well. Like I walked to work, I posted pictures of the discarded
00:51:22.280
syringes. I'm only five blocks from a consumption site. Not every addict is going to take advantage
00:51:26.760
of those sites, unfortunately, but some will. And I like to remind people, I mean, they say
00:51:31.320
treatment, treatment, treatment. I agree, but you can't treat them if they're dead. So we've got to
00:51:35.000
keep them safe long enough till they're ready, I guess. A hundred percent. You've got it bang
00:51:39.480
on there. So it's, uh, yes, your best consumption sets are only good for a 500 meter radius around
00:51:43.880
them we really want to sort of put those sites where the need is there so we look at you know
00:51:48.520
overdose rates in certain neighborhoods uh seeing where they're the highest and put those sites
00:51:53.320
there but the vast majority about 60 to 70 percent of albertans are dying in their own homes uh and
00:51:59.480
this is where uh the government of alberta's doors app really comes into place so it's the digital
00:52:04.200
overdose response service that uh that the usb have put into place uh we've got more national
00:52:09.400
products from uh the federal government uh from the liberals which is north the national gross
00:52:13.640
response service very similar names but kind of uh and very similar purposes uh so there's
00:52:18.600
these mitigation opportunities for harm reduction that deliver services to people's homes the way
00:52:23.720
it works basically is either through an app or or through a phone line you get connected
00:52:27.960
uh to someone who can monitor you and has your address so if you do overdose they're
00:52:33.880
able to dispatch services to your home um but yeah again it doesn't stop there like you know we we
00:52:39.240
we support them uh in their use we do harm reduction to make sure that uh that you know
00:52:44.840
they're doing you're using safely because often um they're not going to stop of course right
00:52:50.440
uh but then we also try to provide other supports and resources around them so this is where you
00:52:54.200
try to improve their quality of life through addressing their mental health housing income
00:52:57.880
stability get them to a better place in life then also get them to the path of recovery if you can
00:53:02.920
um again it doesn't work for everyone but uh if we can take care of their trauma
00:53:08.040
uh could take care of uh of their their biopsychosocial needs which often impact their
00:53:13.320
substance use uh that's where we really want to be heading with every one of our clients
00:53:17.800
and i'm glad you brought that up that statistic is what we see on the streets is the most visible to
00:53:22.360
us but we don't understand is this is actually hitting a lot of people who are in homes they
00:53:27.400
might not have hit the level of going to the streets but as as you said the majority actually
00:53:31.560
more than half are passing away at home with these overdoses. As I said, I've had actually
00:53:37.660
now three friends whose sons have died from overdoses. These weren't street people. They
1.00
00:53:43.120
weren't, you know, they might have reached that point, I guess, if they lived long enough. They
00:53:47.260
weren't from a rough environment. Whatever had led them into that bad path, though unfortunately was
00:53:53.200
fatal. So we've got to look at not just the visible options we see on the streets, but in
00:54:26.120
showing that people can reach for help, that there aren't any consequences with this.
00:54:32.180
You know, a lot of my patients tell me they're worried about sort of the criminal consequences
00:54:35.880
of this and the criminal consequences aren't really there. And that's the message we need
00:54:40.180
to sort of send to these individuals that we have effectively decriminalized. I think we
00:54:45.640
should move on to decriminalizing in the future. And it should not be a barrier for people to
00:54:53.140
seek help if they want to seek help. And just to distinguish because sometimes people get mixed up
00:54:57.820
decriminalizing isn't the same as legalizing it just means that we're not going to put efforts
00:55:01.520
in to try and chase down everybody who's an addict because they illegally possessed a substance or
00:55:05.620
something like that that's not the top priority and it's not going to have much impact. On the
00:55:09.640
law enforcement end though and that that's an area of contention particularly again when we get around
00:55:14.020
consumption sites things like that I mean that there is a peripheral rise in crime and that's
00:55:19.980
another area to be addressed. I mean, if we can make local residents and citizens in those areas
00:55:23.640
feel more comfortable, they'd be more inclined to welcome a center like that in their neighborhood.
00:55:29.900
100%. So like, actually, there was a forum yesterday with a lot of the chiefs of police
00:55:33.100
throughout Alberta in Calgary, and they discussed sort of their approach to this. And, you know,
00:55:39.940
their approach is actually in favor and in line with a lot of the decrim motions. It's a different
00:55:44.200
form of decrim than uh you know what would be a more liberal perspective on it uh for sure so
00:55:50.120
they're more conservative stance with what they call diversion uh and what this means basically
00:55:55.000
is that instead of when when you do get someone who is using substances you do arrest them quote
00:55:59.720
unquote uh but they they're not necessarily charged uh and they're offered as you had mentioned uh
00:56:05.960
uh they sort of go to a tribunal and look at the portugal model and the tribunal decides whether
00:56:10.360
go to treatment uh whether you need more housing supports income supports etc uh but you're not
00:56:16.040
necessarily just left out right uh uh and so that's kind of the subtle difference here and
00:56:20.680
that's really what the the chiefs of police are pushing towards is that they want more of a a
00:56:25.640
structured approach um so again they're not necessarily uh like not in favor of it i think
00:56:30.680
it's it's a good thing to start looking in that direction uh they're worried about uh public uh
00:56:36.360
public uh disruption uh but you know these things can be mitigated these things can be
00:56:42.120
worked uh worked on uh collectively as a group between uh between provincial officials uh the
00:56:48.840
police and the city and i think that's the way we need to move i've got a question from a viewer
00:56:54.440
maryland walls asking if you've seen the provincial dollars i mean there's been a commitment to adding
00:56:58.280
more treatment facilities and beds have we seen that actually starting to happen are they being
00:57:02.680
set up i mean it's one thing when government talks about doing something and it's quite another by
00:57:06.120
the time it gets there are we finally seeing some more capacity for treatment 100 so most of my
00:57:10.520
clients are able to get into treatment the next day uh which is phenomenal because you can't
00:57:14.760
really see that anywhere else in the country um i i think you know treatment is again a huge
00:57:21.240
important piece of the puzzle so getting into the by the psychosocial piece which treatment
00:57:26.600
takes care of is is is important and also the biological piece of getting people onto
00:57:30.680
opiate agonist treatment such as methadone suboxone that can happen right away at any
00:57:35.320
point in time uh from like basically 8 a.m to 10 p.m or at any emergency department screen for seven
00:57:41.720
uh and that's through efforts like the virtual open dependency program uh we've got numerous
00:57:46.200
programs in in calgary and in edmonton that can help support this population group uh so all of
00:57:50.840
this has already been built and we just need to really tap into it uh what we need to start
00:57:55.560
looking into again a bit more is some of the other harm reduction strategies i think that also needs
00:57:59.240
to expand upon and and further discussion of course around decriminalization uh which we
00:58:03.880
that can definitely help. Great. And going further into, I guess, the tougher realm, but the more
00:58:08.720
important one, in a sense, is the prevention aspect. And I think we're making progress in
00:58:13.360
destigmatizing mental health issues. We've had a lot of great, you know, initiatives and groups
00:58:18.400
that point out, you know, it's just a, it's an illness like anything else. We won't, you know,
00:58:22.880
give anybody grief for being a type one diabetic. We shouldn't give them grief if they've had to
00:58:26.760
suffer from depression or anxiety. But people tend to, as one, a lot of people who end up in
00:58:32.180
addiction situations, it's like they've been self-medicating rather than perhaps seeking
00:58:36.380
the proper help in the first place, and it leads to a bad outcome. So is there more effort on,
00:58:41.540
I guess, mental health support so people have somewhere to go before they end up getting
00:58:44.420
addicted? I know they are investing a lot of money to that, and I agree that's where we really need
00:58:50.020
to focus on. With 211 expansion, I think that's a huge important piece. I know that there's more
00:58:55.320
resources because of the pandemic and how that's impacted people's mental health. So those resources
00:59:00.160
in place too i think the big thing in terms of prevention that we need to focus on uh actually
00:59:04.800
there's several things one is uh what we call adverse childhood experiences uh so these are
00:59:10.160
our emotional physical sexual abuse as a child uh emotional um disruption um so we need to take
00:59:18.080
care of these aspects of things really focus on on child wellness uh second of all is opiate
00:59:23.200
prescribing and i think that government is really uh focused on that both the uh the previous uh
00:59:28.080
NDP and as well as our current UCB government, they really focus on prescribing habits of physicians
00:59:32.640
and then internally within the Alberta Medical Association or College, we've been really focused
00:59:36.800
on making sure that the physicians are well aware of how they prescribe opioids and how much to
00:59:42.160
prescribe and do some stewardship around that because we know that that is sort of precipitate
00:59:46.240
the epidemic as well. But then last one, at least again, be very supportive of the patients who are
00:59:52.000
currently using substances. I think that's the key where we have to be, as you had mentioned,
00:59:56.800
a very supportive and compassionate community towards them uh it being uh not compassionate
01:00:02.480
actually just drives them further away from support and help uh and and we've got uh numerous
01:00:08.720
examples where that's just not uh not the best way to go no no shaming and driving away that just
01:00:14.640
doesn't help with an addict of any sort uh and that applies again to alcoholics and many others
01:00:19.520
circumstances it's not going to aid anybody if you drive them away that they need people there
01:00:24.400
Interesting. Yes, you brought up the prescriptions and that's been talked about a lot. I mean,
01:00:28.640
there was kind of a boom of opioid prescriptions for pain relief. Are there better drugs coming
01:00:33.880
on? Like I know Gavapentin, for example, is a little less addictive, at least potentially,
01:00:38.160
than some of the opioid-based medications. Are we seeing more of a shift towards those types
01:00:43.100
rather than reliance on such addictive means? 100%. I mean, Gavapentin can be addictive as
01:00:48.340
but it's not nearly as lethal less so and and and so uh absolutely so yeah we are seeing a lean
01:00:54.900
towards a gabapentin uh tricyclic antidepressants uh and ssris which are selected serotonin uh
01:01:01.860
reactive inhibitors which are also antidepressants uh so those are sort of the medications that
01:01:06.260
should be our first line and opiates are traditionally second line but we know that
01:01:09.540
opiates don't really work well for chronic pain uh very few studies have looked at the use of
01:01:14.100
opioids beyond a three-month duration which is where you actually get the proper diagnosis of
01:01:18.580
chronic pain um and so we are moving away from that uh cannabis and cannabinoids are being looked
01:01:24.260
at as well more closely uh again some addictive potential but less uh less destructive if you may
01:01:30.580
uh compared to opioids and i think that's really the direction we need to go uh but there's again
01:01:35.460
other aspects of pain i mean to focus on too which i don't you know if you have resources for
01:01:39.140
so some of this is um is a psychosocial aspect so like getting some exercise going getting their
01:01:45.940
wellness going and dealing with their mental health making sure their sleep is okay uh again
01:01:50.500
these all these other factors these lifestyle factors need to be maximized in order to manage
01:01:55.140
chronic pain yeah so uh again i mean it's as we found in this discussion there's just so many
01:02:02.180
facets so many directions what i like to remind people of too if the judgmental thing even if you
01:02:06.420
you want to be selfish. There's no better end for you than if we could get fewer and fewer people
01:02:13.020
addicted. I mean, they could be out of the medical facilities, they could be in the workplace,
01:02:17.240
they can, you know, less pressure on our law enforcement officers. I mean, so some of the
01:02:22.560
responsibility, I know people don't like to think of that, but lands on ourselves as well and how
01:02:26.800
we deal and judge with other addicted people. And even if self-interest is what drives it,
01:02:31.260
as long as it drives it, that they can understand that we're all better off to try and help these
01:02:34.780
So I, I'll just kind of finish up though. Like I said, the harder question is prevention. Where
01:02:42.680
can we work best to try and mitigate these addictions in the first place?
01:02:47.880
You know, it's, it's, it's hard. Again, I think dealing with adverse childhood experiences and
01:02:51.660
making sure we get the, you know, we nip trauma in the butt. As soon as someone experiences trauma,
01:02:56.180
we deal with it and we figure out ways to match that is hugely important. I mean, that's not where
01:03:03.920
but that's where a large majority of them stem from, right?
01:03:06.000
And so that's, you know, dealing with that and mental health,
01:03:07.800
I think are the first big crucial steps we need to take
01:03:19.260
that's sort of the smartest way to approach this.
01:03:23.660
it has the most long-term effects later on down the line.
01:03:39.460
So again, it's not really the best public policy strategy,
01:03:46.380
we sort of have four prongs for our public health strategy.
01:03:55.960
There's also harm reduction and there's treatment.
01:03:58.580
We're putting all of our eggs into the treatment,
01:04:02.480
harm reduction and the enforcement aspects of things.
01:04:11.180
It's maybe something that we need to start looking at
01:04:17.840
just because it's starting to impact everybody now,
01:04:20.300
and they're all seeing this happen that, you know,
01:04:23.780
and try and figure out how to battle and stop this.
01:04:26.640
Where can people find, I mean, I appreciate the work you do.
01:04:28.560
Where can we find more information on what you're doing
01:04:38.040
And then if you just log into Alberta Health Services
01:04:42.200
Alberta Health Services, there's tons of resources there.
01:04:44.180
In Calgary, specifically, we have adult addiction services
01:04:48.180
and the HS Rapid Access Addiction Medicine Program,
01:04:52.320
except walk-ins Monday to Friday, 8 a.m. to 9 p.m.
01:04:56.780
So just come on down and there's people there to help you,
01:04:59.520
whether they're counsellors, physicians, nurses,
01:05:05.620
Well, I really appreciate you coming in to talk to us about it today.
01:05:08.240
Hopefully one day we'll talk about it in hindsight
01:05:10.480
as we found a way to actually bring the trends downwards
01:05:16.440
once we've knocked down this growing scourge of addiction right now.
01:05:20.480
So again, thank you very much for joining us, Dr. Gosch,
01:05:34.480
And as you said, you know, if you've got issues, we've got lots of resources out there.
01:05:42.960
You know, if somebody's starting the slide down or they know somebody who's starting to or they see it coming,
01:05:48.340
if you can nip that in the bud, potentially get in there and, and, and treat this person or give
01:05:54.620
them, direct them towards resources, we can hopefully head it off. And then we've got to
01:05:58.840
worry about the ones that are addicted as well. And, and, and it's easy to get upset.
01:06:04.240
I've gone on a number of times about, you know, what I went through the other year when my bar
01:06:07.660
was robbed multiple times, and that was a gang of addicts. That was a gang of guys that were
01:06:12.360
wrapped up in that world of, of drugs and ugliness. And when you see the crime aspects that can
01:06:17.500
blossom from some of that. It makes it harder to be sympathetic to the people who are addicted.
01:06:22.880
I know that. I'm certainly not sympathetic towards those guys who robbed me still.
01:06:26.960
But overall, I mean, the ones you see them on the streets, we call them the zombies,
01:06:31.740
the ones in that much rough condition. They could be anybody. They could be your kids. They could be
01:06:37.580
your cousin. They could be your parents. Like they started somewhere and they still, there's still
01:06:42.660
hope. I mean, there's some stories out there of people who've recovered, who've gotten off it,
01:06:48.100
who've gotten their life going. And if we can bring those outcomes out, we're all better for
01:06:53.160
it. I'm a conservative. People call me the heartless whatnot. And I am in a number of levels.
01:06:57.860
As I said, if you want to look at it in a self-serving way, fine. I like the term
01:07:01.020
compassionate conservatism. I mean, our role is to take care of people who can't take care of
01:07:06.240
themselves. Not those who won't take care, but those who can't. And I know for those who've
01:07:10.480
been lucky enough never to have been addicted to anything. They don't know how it feels. That's why
01:07:14.800
support groups are so important. That's why AA, even though I'm a faithless heathen, outside of
01:07:19.700
the spiritual aspect, AA was very important to me to stop drinking because I could get around other
01:07:24.200
people who understood what it's like and what you have to go through. If you haven't been through it,
01:07:28.720
good. That's great. But it makes it harder to understand. It's not so easy as some people just
01:07:32.860
say, oh, just buck up and stop. It's not that simple. It's not that simple for anybody. So
01:07:38.260
getting those resources, getting out there, trying not to judge. That was something Dr.
01:07:42.740
Ghost mentioned a couple of times. It can help. I see Cheryl brought up too, yeah,
01:07:48.040
backlogged surgeries. We've got a lot of other things. That's another contributor to this whole
01:07:52.620
mess that we've seen is people with our whole healthcare system. There's so many facets coming
01:07:58.420
in. And what happens if the doctor says, okay, you need a hip replacement. You're in agony.
01:08:04.040
we're going to schedule that for 18 months from now.
01:08:06.480
Well, they're not going to leave you waddling around in agony
01:08:10.940
They're going to say, well, here, take these pills to help you get by.
01:08:13.760
And as the doctor said, even the less addictive ones like avipentin
01:08:18.060
And quite often we get people who've waited a long time,
01:08:20.780
knee surgeries or treatments that, you know, in the meantime,
01:08:27.980
They get treated, but it turns out now they're a hopeless addict
01:08:30.580
Or, again, there's no sense pointing a finger to blame,
01:08:33.560
but a person has a house with a lot of painkillers within it, a lot of opioids. And that
01:08:37.060
sometimes is how the kids got access to it. And they got hooked on it because they found it in
01:08:42.160
the medicine cabinet. You know, you try things when you're young, not all of us make smart
01:08:46.180
decisions. And unfortunately, sometimes getting into a couple of those bottles of pills is enough
01:08:52.360
to get a young person addicted and they're down that horrible road. And I think we need to have
01:08:56.820
those frank discussions and quit being as judgmental as we can when it comes to these
01:09:02.160
things because we can at least mitigate things like that. And we get so much judgment with the
01:09:08.200
safe consumption centers. Oh, we're just enabling them. I understand that. But as I said earlier,
01:09:14.920
a lot of them die from overdoses. A lot of them die from infections, from not consuming safely,
01:09:19.040
things like that. Those are people we can't save. If we can keep them alive, we have a chance of
01:09:24.240
saving them. We're all better for that. Investments of dollars, I'm always critical of the government
01:09:28.860
spending, but they're spending on more of those beds. I'm glad that was asked by a viewer, you
01:09:33.880
know, on whether it was actually translating to beds. It sounds like it is. It's good for all of
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us. You know, it will help. So as we're seeing just in, yeah, so just kind of go away from that
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subject now, as we were talking earlier with the Elon Musk's bid to try and take over Twitter
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and the one of their largest shareholders there, Alwaleed bin Tala. Oh, wow. That's a long one.
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A Saudi owner, he's a Saudi prince, so a lot of those Saudis have a heck of a lot of money,
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and he's one of Twitter's largest shareholders, and he's rejecting Elon Musk's bids.
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I'm not sure how hostile takeovers work with publicly traded companies, but to a degree that
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they can't necessarily stop him. If enough large shareholders refuse to sell, I think that's what
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could hold it off. But I remember Elon Musk bought 9%, and that made him the largest shareholder as
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it was already. So it's going to take quite a combination of shareholders to be able to stunt
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his attempt. So this one who is doing this, I don't know if he can stop the entire thing.
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I just love watching Musk shake things up. I mean, as Scott Campbell said, pretty sure Musk
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has enough money to start his own media platform. You know, and Scott, you're right. But at the same
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time, it's hard, right? We've seen the other ones try to come up and I've tried to be supportive
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with Parler and Getter and Gab. But you know, when you've got one monolithic big one where
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everybody's kind of already there, it's hard to spring off to a new one. Now, if anybody could
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start a new one that's going to evolve into anything, I think it would be Musk. And I suspect
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that if they shut down his attempt to buy Twitter, that's probably where he's going to go. He's not
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going to leave it alone and shrug his shoulders. As I said, he's an interesting, volatile character
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with a hell of a lot of money. And he's just enjoying himself stirring that pot and shaking
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up this world. And I think for the better. So we'll see what happens and progresses with that.
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And it's an amazing world we've come into where social media giants are such a large part of the
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economy and make such an impact on things. So we're certainly watching that with interest.
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Let's see. I'm looking further on that old coastal gas link journalist. We've covered that enough.
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I mean, I like to talk about our superiority as an independent media outlet. And they give us so
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many options from her, I should say options, examples from the mainstream media to show us
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why we need these alternative outlets. I'm working on a special, by the way, where I should be sitting
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down with Sheila Gunn-Reed and Andrew Lawton. So from True North News and from Rebel, and we're all
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going to talk together, alternative media getting together to talk about some of the pressures and
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some of this horse crap going on. It's just tough to schedule with the three of us, but we've got
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specials coming along. So that's that reminder to people to subscribe, all these social media
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channels. You got to subscribe when you see these things popping up. Hit that bell that'll give you
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the alerts, you know, so when we do something, if I do get something together with Sheila and Andrew
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or with some of the other news reads, editorials, you can see these coming onto the digital media
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as they come. Follow us on Rumble, follow us on Twitter, all of those things. We never know which
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one of these sites are going to go down. And this is how we can keep spreading the word, bypassing
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that odious old CBC and some of those things and keep getting that content out to you guys. So
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make sure to do that um let's see so here's an interesting little story somebody's saying
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three months after getting infected with covid in mid-december uh you got infected again because
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that's what we're starting to see now is you get infected over and over again and uh he's saying
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well this time uh this was reported that the symptoms were lighter so i mean at least that's
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a sign that we're going to move towards the end of this thing we've got to let this thing make its
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rounds but chances are by the end of it it's not going to be hitting us as hard as it uh
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had been initially. Somewhere COVID is going to come to an end, guys. We're going to get out of
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this nightmare. So let's see. We'll wrap up here, I think. I just want to remind everybody,
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so I'm going to be at the, it's the AACCA Easter Arms Show. It's the big arms show of the year in
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Alberta, in Calgary. It's at the Seven Chiefs Arena at the Sutina Reserve, and it's in Southwest
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Calgary off the Ring Road down there. We're going to be there for both days at a table. Come on down,
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say hi. I'll be there all day tomorrow. And hey, if you're into firearms, it's a good spot to see
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those sorts of things. I think it's the Alberta Arms and Cartridges Collectors Association. I
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think it is, but it's a big show. On Monday, I'm going to have Western Standard Saskatchewan
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reporter Christopher Oldcorn on. We're going to get the Saskatchewan rundown. He says he's got
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some big stories. He's actually coming into Calgary for a visit, so we'll have him here.
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And we're going to have Mark Milkey, who has written a number of columns, and he wrote another
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good one, really breaking down that difference between equity and equality. The words sound
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very similar but they are quite different in meaning and we need to have more of that discussion
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and of course not to mention danielle smith is going to be kicking off her show at 9 a.m mountain
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standard time on monday she will start the day so now i'm going to be more pressured than ever to
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make good productions because she's going to be a hard act to follow danielle's been fantastic on
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talk radio in the past i think in my view and i've said it she was the last of the good hosts i mean
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we've still got Gormley hanging in out there and a couple others, but aside from that,
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they're gone. So, I mean, it's great to have Danielle here. I'm sure she's going to have
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lots to say Monday morning. So make sure to, again, that's why I say, follow those alerts.
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These things are coming up nine o'clock Monday. She's going to be on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays
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for short shows, and then Saturday for an extended one, sitting with a guest and longer discussions.
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Thank you all for tuning in today, guys. Have a good Easter weekend, and I will see you on the