Western Standard - Triggered： Will we prepare for the next pandemic wave？

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 good morning it's march 30th 2022 welcome to triggered i'm cory morgan this show is going

00:00:44.580 to be coming to you live every day for those who haven't been here before at 11 30 a.m mountain

00:00:48.760 standard time monday to friday cover news events i rant i get things off my chest and we always

00:00:55.500 have a number of interesting guests to speak to. Being live I like and enjoy the comments guys

00:01:01.980 good to see you there Scott and Winston you know keep this interactive discuss things with each

00:01:06.900 other send questions for the guests questions for me critique thumbs up either of it it's all good

00:01:12.260 I won't necessarily respond to everything we're running through a lot in the day but I see them

00:01:15.860 all and I appreciate it and it just keeps it more interesting when something's live when you got

00:01:18.900 people participating in it. So today's guests I'm going to have Conservative Party of Canada

00:01:22.920 leadership candidate joseph borgo and he's from saskatchewan so we do have a western representative

00:01:29.320 getting into that very crowded race there hey karen and bc gary linda debbie boy we got a good

00:01:34.680 full house coming in here this morning it's great and i got people to talk to so after that i'm going

00:01:40.040 to talk to ucp mla for erdry cochran peter guthrie uh those may recall folks might recall that as a

00:01:46.680 sitting ucp mla peter guthrie has been very outspoken about the changes to the rules in

00:01:51.240 in the Leadership Review, and he's actually called for Jason Kenney to step aside and start an entire

00:01:55.660 new leadership race. So it'll be good to get Mr. Guthrie's response to the rule changes that

00:02:02.180 suddenly came out from the UCP recently and what's going to be happening going forward.

00:02:05.680 Then I'm going to have Michael Binion, and he's of Questair Energy, and he is also the head of

00:02:10.560 the Modern Miracle Network, a very outspoken man in the energy industry and an activist, I guess

00:02:15.800 you could say, in a pro-energy sense. And we're going to talk a bit about what it means with some

00:02:20.200 of these emissions targets that came out of the Trudeau government recently. Not surprising out

00:02:25.160 of Trudeau, but still distressing and could put a lot of pressure on the oil and gas sector. And

00:02:30.820 we'll talk to Mr. Binion about that and see what we've got to look forward to or how we might be

00:02:35.300 able to push back on these kinds of things. So it's a real full house today. So I'm going to start

00:02:42.100 with what's got me worked up today. Now I torture myself daily in listening to talk radio during my

00:02:47.880 morning commute. And I do look forward to the day when the Western Standard and other independent

00:02:52.200 outlets fully evolve into live formats that are going to stream news to a vehicle or anywhere else

00:02:57.660 just the way we used to listen to radio. And we're almost there and we should be fully there soon.

00:03:02.240 That's what we're building towards in here. In the meantime though, I need to use my drive time to

00:03:06.760 absorb what I can from the news so I can prepare for the day and conventional radio still remains

00:03:11.780 my best option. Today on the radio, I listened to them spending 20 minutes with a doctor who was

00:03:17.520 warning us all in hushed tones that wastewater studies were indicating we're in for another

00:03:21.740 wave of COVID-19. Oh yes, we're warned that more restrictions might be returning, and I swear they

00:03:28.180 honestly seemed giddy at the prospect of returning to lockdowns, and they're eager to start spreading

00:03:32.960 fear as early as possible in preparation for them. Let's make something clear. Lockdowns and

00:03:38.720 restrictions don't work. When is the world going to be ready to face this? By the 10th wave? The

00:03:44.160 20th? I mean, at best, they slow things down, but it's just a matter of peeling a band-aid off

00:03:49.280 slowly rather than just tearing it off. I mean, we have medical experts now testifying to commons

00:03:54.300 committees in Ottawa that vaccine mandates don't work. I mean, these are words from Dr. David

00:03:59.180 Jacobs. People who remain unvaccinated right now are very much a mixed bag of people. Name-calling

00:04:04.040 them isn't helpful. He wasn't happy with Trudeau's work on that. Dr. Jacobs questioned the use of

00:04:08.520 blanket vaccine mandates that have applied as conditions of employment tenancy and access to

00:04:12.740 public services. In terms of mandates, yes, Omicron was highly contagious. This is quotes of his.

00:04:17.880 And no, the vaccines didn't do much in terms of preventing the spread of COVID, said Dr. Jacobs.

00:04:22.300 It was minimal. He said he doesn't deny the benefits of vaccination. Dr. Jacobs has always

00:04:27.760 been outspoken in encouraging people to be vaccinated. What he is pointing out, though,

00:04:32.020 is that the mandates and coercion efforts have an increased vaccine uptake. They've only divided

00:04:36.720 people. Further, lockdowns cause economic damage. I think we already knew that, most of us did,

00:04:43.180 but our pro-lockdown people didn't, and they still deny it. The ridiculous myth being spread by

00:04:49.460 non-business people running supposedly pro-business organizations such as Deborah Yedlin with the

00:04:54.680 Calgary Chamber of Commerce when she said that restrictions and mandates actually add to consumer

00:04:59.580 confidence and will increase sales. What a load of crap, and it's well busted now. It's well busted.

00:05:05.280 Pro-restriction fearmongers said that if we just crack down on public interaction and commerce enough too,

00:05:10.980 it would bring this all to an end.

00:05:13.020 How many waves will it take before they admit they're wrong?

00:05:15.760 This hasn't worked anywhere on Earth yet.

00:05:18.000 Pro-lockdown people like to claim that COVID has damaged the economy and people's finances.

00:05:22.800 This is untrue.

00:05:24.300 Government reactions to the pandemic are what impacted the economy.

00:05:27.900 Not a virus. A virus can't do that. A virus doesn't care about economies or dollars. 0.95

00:05:31.760 And now we're starting to see that.

00:05:32.740 Bank of Canada researchers said lockdowns, not public anxiety, were to blame for the worst

00:05:37.580 economic impact. They got their findings from actual credit and debit card transactions

00:05:42.660 showing consumers are becoming less risk averse to the virus within months of the outbreak. It

00:05:47.940 wasn't fear keeping them at home from spending. It was them being put out of work and businesses

00:05:52.380 being shut down. So let's quit pretending that these mandates are actually going to be good

00:05:58.040 for business. They are not. That's a load of crap and it's a sad thing when the head of Calgary's

00:06:02.400 Chamber of Commerce feels such ways. So if lockdowns harm the economy and they don't stop

00:06:07.480 the pandemic, why the hell are we still considering them? Many politicians and medical experts are

00:06:11.860 finally conceding that we need to learn to live with the virus. It won't be going away and we

00:06:16.380 have to get on with life as this thing runs its course. They're right, but they don't have the

00:06:21.500 courage to talk about what it's going to take in order to live with this or any other future

00:06:24.800 pandemics. We need to radically reform our health care system. Not a tweak, not just dumping more

00:06:30.640 funds into it, it needs reform and in a big way. The prime justification for restrictions has been

00:06:36.200 that they need to need to be imposed in order to keep from overloading our health care resources.

00:06:41.200 Well, in Alberta, we have a population of 4.3 million people. And even two years into this

00:06:46.180 pandemic, our health care system was apparently at risk of being overloaded by a mere hundred

00:06:50.260 people in ICU. The story is the same in every other province in Canada. So why are we still

00:06:55.680 so vulnerable. Why in two years has this not changed? The problem is we've turned the Canadian 1.00

00:07:02.440 health care system into a sacred cow. I mean, despite constant evidence building that our

00:07:06.740 system stinks, we cling to the false notion that our system is one of the best on earth.

00:07:11.640 We lag most developed nations in health care outcomes despite spending as much or more on

00:07:15.840 health care than most of the countries on earth. We have to accept that it's the system that's

00:07:20.940 broken, and then get to work on changing it. Another issue, of course, is the veritable army

00:07:25.780 of extremely well-paid bureaucrats in the healthcare systems, along with public service

00:07:30.580 unions. They don't want to see their golden goose taken away, and they will fight to the bitter end

00:07:34.700 to protect it. Elected officials, of course, are terrified of public service unions and senior

00:07:38.820 bureaucrats, but they got to get over it. These unions are protecting a broken system at the 1.00

00:07:43.060 expense of the health of citizens, and it has to stop. There's no perfect healthcare systems in

00:07:48.200 the world, but there are plenty of models that are superior to ours. We've got to start examining

00:07:52.020 these models and pursuing them with courage and vigor. It's going to take a battle with the

00:07:57.380 parasitic elements within the current system, and that's what they are, but it's going to be worth 1.00

00:08:00.880 it in the long run. There's no reason we should be accepting that we will be shut down. We'll shut

00:08:05.320 down the freedoms movement and commerce of an entire society because 100 people need ICU treatment

00:08:10.180 out of 4.3 million citizens. Our leaders aren't even discussing health care reform yet,

00:08:15.800 much less pursuing it. If we don't reform the system, we're going to find ourselves locked down

00:08:20.520 while medical treatment is delayed every time a new bug surface is on the horizon. We've got to

00:08:25.060 change how we're doing it. New lockdowns will likely lead to protests that are going to dwarf

00:08:29.660 the trucker's convoy too. Citizens have had enough. Just ending lockdowns though isn't enough. We need

00:08:35.740 to examine and change the system that has so terribly failed us over the course of this pandemic.

00:08:40.900 Otherwise, we're just going to keep repeating this cycle of panic, lockdown, protest, and

00:08:45.700 reopen in perpetuity it's never going to stop that's what's got me triggered and worked up

00:08:51.360 today okay let's check in with somebody less worked up and wound up and that is well maybe

00:08:57.400 she is worked up today we'll find out in a moment melanie risden how's it going good i'm not as

00:09:03.280 worked up as you that's for sure yeah well there's definitely some uh some interesting news today

00:09:12.060 that could stir a lot of people up looks like the author of the Emergencies Act who wrote it

00:09:18.700 34 years ago he's a 71 year old man Perrin Beattie and he never expected to see the Emergencies Act

00:09:26.860 be enacted in his lifetime and he questions whether the federal government needed to enact

00:09:34.860 it at all when they did in February so we've got a little bit more detail on that on the website

00:09:40.780 Edmonton has won the bid to host the 2026 FIFA World Cup, $110 million being kicked in by the

00:09:47.980 province for that one. There's another report out that shows Saskatchewan has inadequate mental

00:09:54.460 health services for children. We've got a column from David Creighton and he's showing some or

00:10:01.660 speaking about some criticism towards the decision for Canada to buy the F-35 Joint Strike Fighters.

00:10:07.500 He says it's coming 10 years too late and he has trouble with the fact that it's politicized

00:10:14.540 the purchase of military equipment. So a little bit more on that in his column.

00:10:19.980 Another survey out showing that 75% of small businesses in Canada applied for pandemic

00:10:27.420 subsidies from the government and in fact there was a 98% approval rate for those

00:10:34.140 subsidies so tens of thousands of businesses were uh were receiving government sub subsidy

00:10:41.420 through the pandemic the cra uh parliamentary budget office says that uh or sorry the

00:10:48.060 parliamentary budget office says that cra is costly and uh not very good at their jobs so uh

00:10:55.580 poking a little bit of criticism at our canada revenue agency there um and we've got a couple

00:11:01.980 of stories coming up as well it looks like the uh honeymoon may be over for the ndp liberal alliance

00:11:08.140 uh uh singh is out calling out trudeau saying that his emission reduction plan is just falls

00:11:16.540 flat it's it's not strong enough he's calling for uh for more stronger measures and uh we also um

00:11:24.860 we also have some comment from michelle sterling from friends of science society saying that the

00:11:30.540 idea of these government subsidies in the oil and gas sector are just repeated lies and we'll have

00:11:38.220 some some resources from her that that would go a little bit further into detail on that

00:11:44.860 and another study or sorry another looks like some research coming out from the world economic forum

00:11:51.100 they've published an article on responsible artificial intelligence for children and we're

00:11:57.820 also looking into a story from the World Health Organization who are digging into the potential

00:12:04.860 of hearing problems that have been linked to the COVID-19 vaccines.

00:12:11.020 Great you know these guys are the World Economic Forum I swear they seem to go out of their way

00:12:16.140 to work people up I mean you know they've got their thing on the go there's a lot of people

00:12:20.700 upset with them a lot of people calling them out and then they come out and say hey we want to come

00:12:24.940 up with something to mess with your kids it's bizarre yeah yeah i i would i would agree it

00:12:32.060 sounds like they're just they're they're pushing sort of the envelope they're pushing the boundaries

00:12:35.900 a bit uh a bit too far for a lot of people well it's starting to feel almost like trolling at this

00:12:41.500 point we also know that as we know from our uh followers and many others they go off like hornets

00:12:46.940 whenever uh schwab and the world economic forum starts making more of their proposals the only

00:12:52.060 thing i differ with i don't differ with anybody and knowing that the agenda of the wef is odious

00:12:56.540 and gross i just don't know if they're quite as influential as they like to think they are in

00:13:00.620 in reality but uh i sure hope not because boy they sound crazy yeah a little bit sometimes right

00:13:06.940 all right well great lots to cover as always thanks for checking in with us today melanie and

00:13:12.060 we'll look forward to seeing more and uh see you this afternoon okay thanks corey great thanks

00:13:18.220 so that's the updates for Melanie Riston lots going on out there in the news world as always

00:13:25.160 and as I keep pointing out you know we're getting a lot more part of why I'm getting so full of

00:13:29.260 guests is we're bringing in our columnists and reporters from all across the country because

00:13:33.160 they got important to good stories and we want to highlight them here on the show we got our

00:13:37.000 Ottawa bureau chief we got that you know Creighton as well who's uh been writing columns out there

00:13:42.240 in Ottawa that have really been grabbing a lot of people's notice we've got Chris Oldcorn out

00:13:46.780 saskatchewan i'm certain he might be interested in this this leadership candidate we've got coming on

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00:15:05.600 I guess. Hey there, Jill and Kamloops. It's great seeing people all across the country here.

00:15:10.380 So let's look at a little more news before we get to our guest who's going to come in in a little

00:15:13.240 while here. And some stuff that we're seeing, and I'm not sure if Melanie mentioned it, I think

00:15:18.140 there's a story coming up, but there's a retired cabinet minister. He's the one who wrote the

00:15:21.740 Emergencies Act, and he urged Parliament to examine whether those powers were actually needed against

00:15:28.700 the Freedom Convoy. His name is Perrin Beattie, and yeah, he's 71 years old now. He wrote that act

00:15:33.420 34 years ago, you know, when they changed it, and they sure hate hearing that, you know, and that

00:15:37.460 reminder. It is just a rebranded War Measures Act, guys. That's what it is. It's an extraordinary

00:15:43.060 means of invoking power in, theoretically, an emergency so that you can suspend people's

00:15:51.180 individual rights. And that's what happened with the truckers. Even if when Prime Minister

00:15:55.460 Hammerhead brought it in, it only lasted less than 48 hours before they pulled it out. I mean,

00:16:00.200 they utilized it for over a week against people in seizing their money, in forcing

00:16:06.680 forcing labor from tow truck drivers that's something i should dig into i don't know if any

00:16:10.640 ever were actually forced into doing it but the government took the power to do that i mean what a

00:16:15.900 bizarre thing either way this is the man who wrote it and he said it's supposed to be and it was

00:16:20.560 designed to be legislation of the last resort he said this is a joint parliamentary hearing and uh

00:16:26.520 he said it's to be used when there's no other authority available so he's saying we should be

00:16:31.540 asking how he got to this point i mean police were uh called to deal with the breakdown in our

00:16:35.940 political system. We can criticize how they did their job, it says, but it should never have been

00:16:40.360 necessary for them to fill a breach in the first place. And here's the interesting thing from him

00:16:44.740 to this. The man wrote, he says, now that it's been used, it's going to become easier to invoke.

00:16:49.400 And that's scary. And that's why we do have to examine and follow up on this, not let them get

00:16:52.900 away with what they did. You must not define down the threshold, define down at which extraordinary

00:16:58.820 powers are used to curtail civil liberties. Because yeah, we have set the bar now at bouncy

00:17:03.580 castles. And that's not just jokingly, you know, this protest was not violent. I mean, all of their

00:17:09.320 justifications have fallen apart. There were lies put out by the Toronto Star claiming that

00:17:13.980 there were firearms found in these protests. There were no firearms found. There were no

00:17:19.140 charges laid. You know, they said it was an act of sedition. There was no realistic viable act

00:17:25.100 of sedition going on whatsoever. Every one of these justifications they used to step on the

00:17:30.520 individual rights of citizens, your civil rights. It's falling apart under committee scrutiny now.

00:17:36.440 And when we hear the man who actually drafted the Emergencies Act coming out and saying,

00:17:41.560 we shouldn't have done it. And we've got to be worried about this being imposed again in the

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00:18:54.060 good and yourself very good thanks yes thanks for having me good to meet you uh it's nice that we

00:18:59.540 we've just expanded to a larger studio so we have the space to get people in in person it's always

00:19:03.420 nicer to talk you know rather than through these zoom style uh exchanges yeah exactly so uh yeah

00:19:09.420 you've got so you're a contender for the leadership of the conservative party of canada as i said

00:19:14.400 earlier in the introduction this has got a really wide field going on you guys I think there's 10

00:19:20.580 folks declared now for it or it's growing and we'll see I mean it's good to see a hotly contested

00:19:24.980 race what I was happy to see was a western voice you're from Saskatchewan correct yes I'm from the

00:19:30.960 town of St. Bruce Saskatchewan the home of the Borgo Industries and FB Borgo Tillage Tools the

00:19:37.700 company that I own, and Dry Air Manufacturing, and other manufacturers in northern Saskatchewan.

00:19:47.000 Great, and that's been one of the points you've made a lot, is that you've got a business

00:19:49.740 background, not a political one. Most of the candidates, as I said, is a wide field, but most

00:19:53.440 of them are members of parliament, existing politicians, or members of the provincial

00:19:57.020 parliament, things such as that. So you're coming at a business approach, and you feel that

00:20:01.220 that would add, I guess, to what you could provide as a leader of the party.

00:20:04.060 Yeah, you know, unless you have really walked the walk, talking is, you know, people that are in politics that have never been in business.

00:20:16.860 Really, when you're the prime minister of the country and the team you pull together, you're really running the largest business in the country.

00:20:26.140 in essence. I understand that there's social and many different aspects of government in a federal

00:20:32.820 government, but in a business, we deal with all of that as well. We deal with the social aspects.

00:20:40.800 We're helping people all the time, you know, so it's, yeah. There's a lot of those principles

00:20:48.340 that will cross over, particularly when it comes economically. A frustration in my opening rant,

00:20:52.700 So either way, with our Chamber of Commerce, we have some politicization of a lot of organizations.

00:20:57.680 And Calgary's head of the Chamber of Commerce keeps trying to tell us the mandates and the lockdowns are actually good for businesses and that they make people feel confident coming out.

00:21:05.360 But it has to be remembered, the head of the Chamber of Commerce has never actually owned or managed a business before.

00:21:09.960 And it shows.

00:21:11.620 So, you know, nobody, I owned a pub for five years.

00:21:14.820 There's no way, I would think for a second, that scanning vaccine passports on everybody coming in and shutting down periodically is good for business.

00:21:20.880 only a very delusional person can do that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. A bit more about my

00:21:26.400 background, if I may. So I grew up in a family, Frank Borgo, with three other siblings, and we

00:21:33.440 always talk politics. That was really one of our primary discussion points in our dinners and

00:21:42.360 suppers. We were very politically oriented following what was going on in Canada, the United

00:21:48.660 States and the world for that matter. And so all my life, I have studied politics. I've studied

00:21:54.200 modern day leaders in business and in politics and historical figures as well. I've been in

00:22:02.040 leadership positions since I've been 18 years old in executive leadership positions for the past

00:22:08.120 35 years. So when I'm used to managing large groups of people and putting teams of people

00:22:16.360 together, coaching and mentoring people and managing in an honest, principled way. There's

00:22:23.760 core values and principles that are essential to manage any company to create excellence.

00:22:30.660 And I feel that's what's missing in our country. We don't have honesty and integrity and principled

00:22:36.540 leadership in our country. And we have to have people that know how to solve problems using

00:22:42.400 the pursuit of truth and and core values and principles to solve those problems yeah and

00:22:47.040 getting to truth so i mean in advocacy outside of businesses you've been involved with the canadians

00:22:51.440 for truth uh for some time and that was kind of your political basis and moving forward can you

00:22:56.000 explain a little what that's about them well canadians for truth came about in uh the year 2020

00:23:04.960 when i could see many of us were observing this friends of mine ryan and my daughter and other

00:23:12.400 people that were pursuing the truth, if you will, to understand the COVID-19 situation,

00:23:17.840 we could see that the truth about therapeutics was being suppressed in CBC, CTV and global.

00:23:25.540 And that was unacceptable because the peer-reviewed science and trials,

00:23:29.780 large peer-reviewed scientific studies and trials had been conducted. And it was shown hydroxychloroquine

00:23:39.200 and zinc azithromycin were proven to be highly effective 98.5 percent in one large peer-reviewed

00:23:47.100 study and and so it was really unacceptable unacceptable that that was happening so a group

00:23:53.720 of us got together and we founded canadians for truth freedom and justice to to get the truth out

00:24:00.540 there to canadians the truth that the media was not getting out there on therapeutics that were

00:24:05.400 available. And because of my background, having recovered from a life-threatening illness,

00:24:11.760 I became very knowledgeable in matters of natural health and healing. I studied it for 30 years,

00:24:16.780 owned a health food store in St. Bruce, Saskatchewan, helped people recover from all

00:24:20.360 kinds of health problems just by sharing information on true health care and also

00:24:25.600 helping people to recover from viral infections like the H1N1. So we had that right on our

00:24:30.900 shelves at the time. And yet all of that information was being suppressed. So we put it

00:24:35.700 out there. I was involved in helping people that approached me when they had COVID and helped them

00:24:41.380 to have a speedy, full recovery. Yeah, it was frustrating in the early days of it. I mean,

00:24:45.440 when people are scrambling, they're not sure what this is about, what's going on. And there was a

00:24:49.200 kind of a direct, well, this is what the line is and this is what it's allowed. We found out the

00:24:53.680 hard way that you even talk about the wrong things and some of the wrong social media platforms,

00:24:57.280 you'll get throttled and slowed down. I mean, some may be right, some may be wrong, but we should

00:25:02.040 allow a broad discussion on issues rather than just pigeonholing into a straight line. It was

00:25:06.640 disappointing seeing the media the way they kind of lined up. Maybe along those lines, media, C11,

00:25:12.540 CBC, where are your policies landing in that area where you would like to go?

00:25:16.200 Well, I have an idea that I've been talking about. You know, I mean, obviously the Conservative

00:25:20.960 the party would have to approve of it as well. But what I'd like to see happen with the CBC

00:25:27.420 is that we would privatize it and we would give it back to Canadians own it. We've been paying 0.98

00:25:33.880 for it for the last however many years, right? The last 50 plus years. So what I'd like to do

00:25:39.540 is privatize it, turn it into a private corporation and give every Canadian citizen a share of the

00:25:46.060 CBC. You own a share in it, a class A share in it. And we set up a vision, mission, core values,

00:25:54.000 and principle statement. Really, the essence is the CBC's job would be to pursue the truth. That

00:25:58.960 should be what any journalist should be doing, is in pursuit of truth to gather the facts to help

00:26:04.520 Canadians to make informed decisions based on factual, honest, objective, factual information.

00:26:10.700 And so we would then cut the umbilical cord so that no taxpayer funding would then go into the

00:26:16.040 CBC. The shareholders would elect the board of directors, the board of directors would hire

00:26:21.560 the operating management team and it would have to earn its way in the marketplace like any other

00:26:32.520 journalistic media currently has to do. Government funding a media is unacceptable.

00:26:38.840 It's completely unacceptable because you're never going to get honest objective reporting from a 1.00

00:26:43.560 media company that is funded by the government the liberals always promise to increase funding

00:26:50.520 for the cbc and so how are they not going to promote the the liberal platform and the liberal

00:26:58.040 talking points and narratives well i fully agree we see that all the time here of course

00:27:02.840 it's sure it's self-serving but it's the truth that we're subscriber based and we have to respond

00:27:06.760 to our subscribers and and if we put out material instincts we're going to lose our subscribers

00:27:11.320 and we're gone and uh they send us emails they're concerned well we have to be responsive to it

00:27:16.220 because these are the people guiding us and once you start taking your money from somewhere else

00:27:20.220 well you're going to be beholden to them it's natural yeah so we don't take any government

00:27:23.760 money because that way we can always tell them to get stuffed whether it's conservative or liberal

00:27:27.160 or whomever so it's good to see a business approach to the free speech and such in media

00:27:32.060 the other thing i'd like to say you know obviously uh in that legislation in privatizing the cbc

00:27:38.360 I would also like to see it so that no one Canadian could ever own more than 1% of the CBC.

00:27:45.340 So, you know, anybody controlling 10% of a company, a large corporation can effectively control it.

00:27:52.900 So we would set it up so that no more than 1%, no one individual Canadian could own more than 1% of the CBC.

00:28:00.460 and I'd also like to see it set up so that in the advertising

00:28:04.340 that no corporation could control the CBC through advertising dollars

00:28:09.200 because we have a real problem in this country

00:28:11.520 where corporations are controlling media through funding advertising

00:28:17.460 and we have to avoid that as well.

00:28:19.620 Media's objective has to be about the pursuit of truth,

00:28:23.180 honest objective pursuit of truth.

00:28:25.440 It cannot be controlled by corporations or government.

00:28:27.940 It has to all be about getting to the truth of the matter.

00:28:32.780 Well, and something Melanie was just, you know, speaking of going into other areas that the mainstream media doesn't cover, I got my news report from her.

00:28:39.540 World Economic Forum, which is something you've been addressing, and they just put out the latest release.

00:28:43.420 I said when I was talking to Melanie, it sounds almost like they're trolling us.

00:28:47.160 I mean, now they're pushing for artificial intelligence things for children, and they put this release out.

00:28:52.760 But nobody likes mentioning or talking about the World Economic Forum openly and what these guys are about.

00:28:57.440 i mean it gets dismissed but you've you've taken that kind of head on haven't you yeah i've spoken

00:29:02.560 about it you know like it you know i i own a company i've been in in manufacturing pretty

00:29:08.800 much all my life but if i were elected leader the uh or when i'm elected leader of the conservative

00:29:15.280 party and and when i'm prime minister of the country obviously uh my uh corporate interest

00:29:21.200 my company would be put in a blind trust and so my dedication would be to serve to serve the

00:29:30.480 canadians and not to serve the un or the world economic forum or the world health organization

00:29:38.560 we've got these unelected global entities that are having far too much influence in our country

00:29:46.640 i would be all about the sovereignty of our country and serving the people of this country

00:29:53.820 and so to me uh i have you know my value system is such that you know i i value my relationship

00:30:01.680 with my creator uh i put that at the top of my values uh love to be a loving kind respectful

00:30:09.500 human being uh truth uh freedom and personal responsibility and justice in that order

00:30:15.020 money is not my god and power and fame are not my god it's always about what's the truth

00:30:20.140 and doing the right thing and i think if we're doing that we're doing the will of our creator

00:30:24.520 so let's get a little more into the the political nuts and bolts then here uh regional disparities

00:30:30.640 issues we've had we cover that a lot here uh the west of course we're very uh alienated for many

00:30:36.400 people uh issues of equalization things such as that how could you as uh presumably eventually

00:30:43.060 the prime minister start to alleviate that problem in the regional inequity within canada well let

00:30:48.580 me say this uh corey i'm an honest truth-seeking principled uh fiscal and social conservative

00:30:56.900 so i've learned over 47 years of uh leadership and management that if you want to create harmony

00:31:04.020 in any organization or in a country you have to manage in a principled way and so those principles

00:31:10.420 are that you you know you're you're guided by love and and kindness and respect you're guided

00:31:16.900 by truth always in pursuit of truth to find because when you get to the truth of the matter

00:31:22.180 of these solutions like the western alienation that's happening because we've had decades of

00:31:28.500 leadership and in particularly the last six years we've had unprincipled uh really dishonest

00:31:35.460 leadership and unprincipled leadership and it's creating uh alienation because

00:31:42.820 the leadership we have is there's no other way to put it it's incompetent and so you're getting

00:31:48.420 uh favoritism uh a lot of the strings that are being pulled in government are from outside of

00:31:54.020 our country like i believe you can have a strong economy and a strong and a healthy environment at

00:32:00.820 the same time they're not mutually exclusive you can have uh you can have both and and as a

00:32:06.660 businessman i understand how to do that i've been in research and development you focus if there's

00:32:11.860 a problem on environmental issues you again you set the goal of truth and you work to innovate

00:32:16.740 to solve the problems you don't shut down our energy sector those are not uh optional those

00:32:22.740 are it's not a luxury to have natural gas to heat your home or a gasoline to fuel your your vehicle

00:32:28.500 or or to have diesel fuel to power your trucks around the country so to me the carbon taxes make

00:32:34.900 zero sense where what we're doing with the carbon taxes is we're driving inflation and we're driving

00:32:40.980 jobs outside of this country uh to other foreign countries that have way lower uh emissions way

00:32:48.020 higher emission standards than we have and so we're driving uh uh way lower emission standards yeah

00:32:56.100 we're uh so there we're driving our jobs and i deal with this every day in my boardroom and in

00:33:02.740 my management meetings we're having to compete with these low-cost high-polluting countries

00:33:08.420 and the carbon taxes are all it's doing is driving these jobs over to these higher much

00:33:13.540 higher polluting countries so uh when we're getting to those things you know it's politically

00:33:19.060 expedient sometimes to step on western industries uh while pursuing the central canadian ones

00:33:23.300 The Senate was supposed to be there to balance regional inequity, and it's failed terribly in

00:33:28.340 that task, unfortunately. But we elect senators in Alberta when we have favorable governments for it 0.90

00:33:33.500 anyways. I mean, it's imperfect, but it's a way we can at least try to select who we want to put

00:33:37.720 forward. I ask every candidate when I've had them on on that, would you commit to appointing any

00:33:42.240 provincially elected senators if they came forth? Well, I really like the idea of elected senators.

00:33:48.040 You know, and I mean, it would be, you know, great if we could have a fully elected Senate.

00:33:55.560 You know, the model that the U.S. has, two senators per state to provide balance of power.

00:34:01.500 I think that's a great model.

00:34:03.860 So I'm in favor of electing senators throughout the country.

00:34:08.060 If we could ever get to that, to move that forward, I'd be in favor of that.

00:34:13.280 Great. Yeah. Well, I put that that's one of the things a prime minister can do without a constitutional amendment. Anything else, unfortunately, would take opening the Constitution, which is something I've asked as well. And I haven't heard any candidates willing to go down that because it's a difficult rabbit hole. But would you be open to the idea of reforming the Constitution down the road?

00:34:32.140 Absolutely. You know, whatever makes sense in alignment with our core values and principles, and people can see that at josephborgo.ca, you can see our vision, our core values and principles and the policies that we have there.

00:34:47.020 anything that aligns with truth and our charter rights and freedoms and bringing justice to all

00:34:56.020 parts of Canada. I think that having a fully elected Senate like that, it would make sense

00:35:02.680 to do that. So I'd absolutely be open to that. Okay. Move on to supply management. That's one

00:35:08.940 I've been asking a lot on too, and I haven't been able to find any candidates willing to tackle

00:35:12.640 that one it's something personally i've been very critical of i i know it's a sensitive one i mean

00:35:17.420 it just doesn't make it easier for somebody to win in quebec but it is a system that other countries

00:35:22.140 have managed to shed uh we we don't seem to have much political will to get rid of that here though

00:35:26.480 and it it is costing consumers a fair amount of money these days other grocery bills well in

00:35:31.940 general i'm in favor of free and fair trade within our country and and in in trade agreements with

00:35:39.580 other countries you know uh if we were to consider something like that it would have to be done in a

00:35:44.860 way i believe that you know would not be putting out uh obviously that with the quota system that

00:35:53.080 that those are expensive and and and ranchers and or dairy and and and chicken and the quotas that

00:36:02.360 are there those are one of the most expensive expenses they have in and so we'd have to

00:36:10.120 really be negotiating with them to see if there would be a way over time if we could transition

00:36:15.880 to a more of a market oriented system without bankrupting those who are caught with these high

00:36:22.840 quota costs you know so i i would be open to considering that i know the way it is really

00:36:29.720 right now within the Conservative Party, I believe the Conservative Party in their policy

00:36:34.240 declarations would have to be convinced that this is something that could be done in a win-win way

00:36:41.260 for everyone concerned. And so I could see something like that if we could transition

00:36:48.080 over a period of a decade or something to create a system that would be more open market and having

00:36:57.560 free and fair trade to create a good deal for consumers and yet also enable, you know, the

00:37:05.480 supply management farmers to survive as well.

00:37:09.160 Okay, so that brings us kind of into a bit of foreign affairs, our relationship with the

00:37:14.200 world, things that we're in a very heated environment worldwide right now with the Ukraine-Russia 1.00

00:37:19.000 conflict. Militarily wise, it looks like Canada is actually going to expand its military expenditures

00:37:24.200 for the first time in a long time where do you stand with envisioning canada's place in the world

00:37:29.960 i mean how will we interact with other countries what's our role and what should we be doing in

00:37:34.920 being i guess a world citizen well obviously we're a member of nato right and nato has served over

00:37:41.320 the past 70 plus years has served well to help create peace in the world you attack us all nato

00:37:48.280 members come in and defend us. Canada has, since World War II, we've not done our part to uphold.

00:37:55.320 We're spending $21 billion, $22 billion on our military. It's about 1.375% of our GDP. And under

00:38:04.760 the NATO commitment, we have a 2% commitment to maintain, not to fall below 2%. And so to me,

00:38:12.980 I'm very, I believe in the sovereignty of our country and without a strong military,

00:38:20.820 well-funded, strong military and taking care of our veterans,

00:38:26.260 we've just done a terrible job at doing that. And so I would be very much in favour

00:38:37.860 of increasing our funding uh to the two percent or more to get our military uh back in proper

00:38:45.460 order we we don't have that right now we're i'm i'm not pleased at all with where the way

00:38:52.020 governments have been neglecting our military okay so when it comes to expenditures though i mean

00:38:56.740 we've dramatically increased them in pretty much everywhere in the last few years uh are you

00:39:01.940 committed to working towards balanced budgets and if so where would you start to restrain spending

00:39:07.060 okay so as a owner of a manufacturing companies there are two ways to improve your bottom line

00:39:13.860 which means balancing your budget one is you increase your revenues and the others you reduce

00:39:19.540 your costs and right now the elephant in the room is medical care we are spending 270 billion dollars

00:39:26.740 a year in canada every provincial government is is spending between 40 and 45 percent of every

00:39:32.500 dollar on medical care. Now notice my language. I said medical care. I did not call it health care.

00:39:39.220 I recovered from a life-threatening illness and through that I didn't receive the answers. Eight

00:39:44.680 years in the conventional medical care system and I received no answers to the health problems I had.

00:39:50.480 I ended up having to step out the system and using my research and development skills figure out what

00:39:55.400 was causing my health problems and that's when I really pieced together an understanding of what

00:40:00.760 true health care is all about. True health care is our own diet and lifestyle choices. Nobody can

00:40:05.520 make them for us. And it's the quality of our diet and lifestyle choices that determine whether we

00:40:10.220 get sick and have a long, healthy life, or whether we get ill and end up in the medical care system.

00:40:16.180 And the number one driver of increases in our medical care costs is our tax system. So that's

00:40:22.220 a key element of my platform, and that I would want to convince the Conservative Party to do

00:40:28.620 this and Canadians to do this and is to increase the basic personal exemption right now federally

00:40:35.380 it's $12,000 and that was good in 1950 when the cost of living was $12,000 for a single adult

00:40:42.080 but what we must do is increase the basic personal exemption for individuals and for children

00:40:49.560 for individuals to 50,000 because that's the true poverty line in this country on average across

00:40:56.320 this country. We don't tax a business before it's profitable, so why are we taxing our citizens

00:41:02.480 before they're profitable? Very good. Well, we're kind of running out the time quickly here, but

00:41:07.200 there's always lots to talk about. It's going to be a long campaign. September 10th is when this

00:41:11.040 comes to an end, so you're going to be busy for quite some time. You're touring Alberta. I see you

00:41:14.560 were in Medicine Hat the other day. Where else are you going to be going in the next few days

00:41:18.960 before we let you go, and where can we find more information on your campaign? Well, in the next

00:41:22.800 few days we're going to be traveling uh north uh we'll be doing a stop in red deer uh we have

00:41:29.760 we were in ottawa uh supporting the truckers uh in ways that we could support them uh we're

00:41:37.040 supportive of ending the mandates and so we got to know a lot of the truckers and uh so they're

00:41:43.760 uh working with us we're there uh we want to have a tour to the north so we're going to be stopping

00:41:50.800 in red deer on on friday and red deer and niscu and then slave lake and then saturday we're off to

00:42:01.280 lacrete and uh will we be will be sunday ryan we'll be in peace river on sunday saturday night

00:42:10.880 and then back to uh and back to uh to calgary here again great well you got your work cut out

00:42:16.800 for you in a full slate so i thank you for coming in to take some time to talk to us all today i

00:42:20.320 I hope we can do it again before the end of the campaign

00:42:21.980 because there's going to be more issues developing

00:42:23.560 and there's always lots more to talk about.

00:42:24.740 Yeah, anytime, Corey.

00:42:25.980 Thank you very much for having me.

00:42:28.180 And your website again?

00:42:30.020 josephborgo.ca.

00:42:31.700 And so I encourage people to go to the website,

00:42:34.580 see if you like the vision, core values and principles

00:42:36.860 and the policies that we want to implement.

00:42:39.160 I'd love to come back in and talk about other policies

00:42:41.960 that we'd like to implement sometime.

00:42:44.340 And if they support us, it's in the support section.

00:42:47.740 uh everyone can see uh how they can sign my nomination petition and donate uh to our campaign

00:42:56.480 great well we'll let you get back to your tour thank you again for coming in and we'll see you

00:43:01.360 again okay thank you cory all right so i'm going to get on to another sponsor while uh mr border

00:43:07.020 roll makes his way out and that's the canadian shooting sports association these guys have been

00:43:12.540 a great sponsor for us for some time our regular listeners of course hear me talking about them

00:43:16.880 quite often. These are, as their name makes it sound, to be an association for people who enjoy

00:43:22.680 firearms and shooting sports. And there's a number of ways you can do it, whether it's, you know,

00:43:26.200 target shooting, hunting, trap shooting, or even just collecting. It's all, of course, completely

00:43:33.200 up to you. These are your rights to be able to have these things, to be able to enjoy these

00:43:38.320 things. And they offer, like any other association, a lot of resources for people, you know, whether

00:43:43.780 it's links to upcoming trade shows or videos for safe firearm utilization, things like that.

00:43:51.440 It's a great association. If you own firearms or if you're looking to own firearms,

00:43:55.920 go out there, cssa-cila.org. It's the Canadian Shooting Sports Association. It's kind of easier

00:44:03.780 to Google these guys and find them and take out a membership because the other thing they've got

00:44:07.140 going on is they are standing up for you as firearms owners. They are pushing back. They

00:44:12.260 have a number of legal challenges against the liberal government who keeps recategorizing your

00:44:16.920 property and making excuses to come and steal it from you. And I say steal because even though they

00:44:22.440 say they're going to buy out your firearms when they take them, hey, if you don't have a choice

00:44:26.080 but to turn it over, it's theft, whether they pay you for it or not. I mean, I can't walk up to you

00:44:30.880 and say, hey, I'm going to buy your car. You don't have a choice. I'm taking it. No, then I'm stealing

00:44:35.420 it. It doesn't matter what I try to pay you. So check them out, guys. They're a great sponsor.

00:44:39.820 they can't get on with these legal challenges without your help. Take out a membership with

00:44:44.220 them, the Canadian Shooting Sports Association. And hey, stand up for yourself, guys. So yeah,

00:44:51.500 that was a refreshing break, you know, from Mr. Borgol. And I mean, we're getting one thing to be

00:44:57.060 said for this upcoming race right now is just the diversity of candidates. Boy, we've got a lot of

00:45:03.640 coming in on this one. And there's some different points of view coming out there. So let's have

00:45:10.080 that discussion. Let's bring it in the open. And Mr. Bourgold, being a non-political sort of guy,

00:45:14.220 has been more willing to get into some of those issues that others don't want to.

00:45:18.500 So it was an interesting talk. It's going to be something else to see how his campaign goes. As

00:45:24.660 you can see, he's working very hard at it. He's covering a lot of ground. He's hitting all those

00:45:28.880 small towns. But that's how you win these things. You know, you get those members, you get them

00:45:32.700 signed up and then they come out and vote for you when the time comes and they've got months to work

00:45:36.760 on this and and he's hard at it so we can't be uh surprised sometimes if they work hard these guys

00:45:42.780 can climb the ladder on some of these things look how leslund lewis did in the last one nobody

00:45:47.640 expected her to do very well at all and she won the popular vote the first time around so

00:45:51.720 can't discount these newer candidates if they're going to hit the ground hard and running and do

00:45:55.780 that grassroots work they might uh come along i see more people keep pointing out the alberta

00:46:00.340 Prosperity Project. Yes, I appreciate that. I am going to have Dr. Modrian on Friday. He's going

00:46:04.880 to come in and talk to us about that on the show. So our next guest is going to be Peter Guthrie.

00:46:12.120 He's coming on in about five or so minutes, it looks like. So we've got some more new stuff to

00:46:15.800 talk about. And later on with Mr. Michael Binion, again, it's going to be fuel-related and

00:46:23.160 environmental standards. So I'm just looking at another story there. The Department of Environment

00:46:28.220 in Canada finalized the new terms of their federal fuel standard. You know, this is what the

00:46:31.960 Taxpayers Federation was calling the second carbon tax. I mean, they keep cloaking these increases

00:46:37.500 and these costs to you under new fuzzy names and things like that. Well, this is a federal fuel

00:46:42.580 standard. Well, it's going to raise the cost of your fuel yet again. And when you raise the cost

00:46:48.500 of fuel, you raise the cost of everything. That's what some people have got to understand. We can't

00:46:54.140 keep pushing on these things. April 1st, the carbon tax is going to increase. World oil and

00:46:59.940 gas prices are going up. Now with these crazed emissions targets that the federal government has

00:47:04.820 set, who's going to be able to afford to heat their house and drive their car anymore? This

00:47:10.080 is getting scary. So the Department of the Environment held a stakeholder meeting on

00:47:15.120 Friday to reveal some of those updates to the clean fuel standard. And basically they're saying,

00:47:21.140 yeah, well, it's going to cost you more because of it. Well, we always knew that. Why is it like

00:47:25.400 pulling teeth with these guys to admit what we always said in the first place? If you're going

00:47:29.440 to add these regulations, you're going to add these standards, you're going to add these taxes,

00:47:32.540 it's going to cost consumers more. They keep feeding us that PAP, often supported by the CBC,

00:47:38.300 when they bring about things like saying the carbon tax will be revenue neutral. It won't.

00:47:42.000 That was discovered in committee and exposed. Well, same with this fuel standard. It's going

00:47:46.760 to cost us each and every one. And we can't take much more of these constant increases on these

00:47:52.480 things. Like it's, it's, it's, it's brutalizing us. So it looks like our next guest is almost

00:47:57.980 ready to come on here. He's in the lobby. I might pull him in here right away if he's ready to go.

00:48:02.260 If you want to give me a wave, Mr. Guthrie. Good. He's all set. So this is the MLA,

00:48:07.620 UCP MLA for Airdrie Cochran. Peter Guthrie, who's been a very outspoken MLA when it comes

00:48:13.820 to his party's leadership. I've been looking forward to talking and finding out what's going

00:48:18.000 on there. So let's bring Mr. Guthrie in. Hello there. How's it going today? Hi, good. Thanks for

00:48:23.840 having me on the show. Well, I'm glad you came on with us. As I said on the phone call the other

00:48:28.780 day, we were overdue to get you on anyways. So I appreciate that. It's hard to pin you elected

00:48:33.900 officials down when the legislature is in session. So I appreciate you giving us some of that time

00:48:37.540 today yeah no problem so uh of course yeah what i do want to get into uh is with the concerns with

00:48:44.060 the ucp leadership review you've been very outspoken on it uh with the rule change you

00:48:50.080 outright called for uh premier kenny to step aside and just go straight into a leadership race at

00:48:55.180 this point yeah that's right i i think that um you know the the rules were established uh there was

00:49:03.640 a budget that was put forward of about 2,800 members that they were estimating. We figured

00:49:09.140 that that was going to be quite low. I had thought we might get in the order of 5,000 to 6,000 people,

00:49:16.700 but their response was just outstanding. They ended up having about 15,000 people sign up for

00:49:24.860 that SGM. Now, there was extensive polling that got on, that went on, so I think that they had

00:49:32.840 established a pretty good background of information that you know leadership was was going to be in

00:49:40.280 trouble in that in-person sgm and they elected to to switch it up and go straight to a mail-in

00:49:46.680 ballot type of scenario but they did that after the fact changed the rule they had established

00:49:52.360 the rules weren't supposed to be able to change those prior after 60 days to the event but the

00:50:00.520 the board of directors of the UCP decided to change that up. So it wasn't considered that

00:50:07.960 more, I mean, we could all, I think, agree that the polling station would have been overwhelmed.

00:50:12.480 There's no way a hotel could have managed 15,000 people voting over the course of six hours in Red

00:50:17.300 Deer. It would have been just a mess and a catastrophe. But setting up more polling stations,

00:50:22.520 more options around the province, I mean, a lot of money was raised by those people all paying

00:50:25.920 $100 each to take part in this. It seems conceivable that they could have come up with

00:50:30.100 alternative means for people to vote in person without it all being in one spot yeah i think

00:50:34.720 they quite easily could have um you know i think the westerner was available and the westerner has

00:50:40.960 i think somewhere around 7 000 people that go to an event there for if it's a hockey game say

00:50:48.320 three hours i think they quite easily could have moved people through but if they wanted to have

00:50:52.760 multiple locations throughout red deer i think that was quite possible and they had also had a

00:50:59.560 timeframe of noon till six for voting easily. That could have been expanded. Perhaps you go

00:51:04.660 eight to eight, nine to nine, and even establish a second day of voting. So I think it was

00:51:10.820 something that was quite easily attainable. Yeah. So the party board, though, I mean,

00:51:18.540 they are supposed to be sort of a separate partisan entity to the premier's office,

00:51:23.120 though we know in reality, those things overlap and they get mixed up. But are they beholden to

00:51:28.220 leader then or are they are they speaking for the members here well it appears that way uh i think

00:51:35.100 at the agm it was uh it was established a strong footprint in favor of the the premier and um

00:51:43.900 obviously a request came in to make this change the board did not favor the membership

00:51:50.620 where this is concerned and they decided to uh to make a change unfortunately

00:51:55.980 yeah well and your terms uh what how you'd phrased it when the change suddenly came about

00:52:01.820 is that it reeks of desperation so did it seem that evident that the premier's job was was that

00:52:06.860 much at risk then if people had showed up and been able to cast their ballot on april 9th

00:52:11.100 oh i think so and uh you know the feedback that i was getting from constituents

00:52:16.220 and throughout the province it was you know there was some very strong

00:52:20.140 sentiment that we were going to make and establish a very strong say. I mean, 15,000 people

00:52:30.400 coming out to a vote. I mean, it's a record-breaking amount. This is not a small

00:52:36.080 contingent that's coming out. Normally, a leadership review might have 2,200 to 2,500

00:52:42.840 people, and they are determining the outcome of a leader. So to have 15,000, that's a pretty

00:52:49.920 strong representation of the membership. So I didn't see the reason, there was no reason for

00:52:55.920 them to move away from that. So now presuming the system doesn't change with this, there's what I

00:53:02.740 believe up to 40,000 members may be eligible to take part in this. This is, who has access, I guess,

00:53:10.540 to those membership lists in order to campaign to them? I mean, it should theoretically be a

00:53:14.760 campaign to the existing members from this point onward but not being a leadership race or a

00:53:20.300 nomination even where people would you know have a sign off and have access to campaign towards

00:53:25.040 members uh would the party be the only ones that has that access yes the the party has that access

00:53:32.420 each particular constituency association they they can get access to their own so of the 87

00:53:39.260 constituencies that are out there each one has access to only their own data that said there's

00:53:47.180 as i mentioned polling that's been going on of every one of those sgm members so you know it

00:53:55.100 obviously it must have been the party that was that was doing that polling so with it going to

00:54:01.180 a mail-in system uh i had danielle smith on the show recently actually we went through that with

00:54:05.420 with the Wildrose with a leadership race and mail-in balloting and I was on the board back

00:54:08.720 then and it was a logistical nightmare I mean to maintain the integrity of it the security of it

00:54:14.300 getting ballots out to people securely on time getting them back on time counted and that was

00:54:19.760 only with I believe 11,000 people qualified to vote do you see are they are you confident they're

00:54:27.280 going to be able to do this logistically I think it's going to be quite difficult uh you know with

00:54:33.400 in person you you're going to you're registered you go there they see your face you present

00:54:38.800 identification and then you go vote now to take a membership in the party you don't require

00:54:44.080 any identification and it doesn't have to you know to match who you are so I'm not sure how

00:54:50.120 they're going to structure this vote but with this mail-in ballot system if you don't require

00:54:55.480 identification to take a membership you don't require it to fill out a ballot there's really

00:55:01.940 going to be no secure way to verify any of the members. Now, the rule, I believe, hasn't come

00:55:11.220 about yet, but there was a proposed rule change to make it so people could bulk buy memberships

00:55:16.280 within a party and utilize those. That hasn't passed yet, though, right? That has not passed,

00:55:23.180 no. Bill 81 was the bill that came forward last fall. It allows an individual to purchase up to

00:55:29.200 $4,000 worth of memberships. And they can do that without consent. That does not come about until

00:55:39.360 and come into force until April 1. So if any of that went on, it would not be illegal.

00:55:49.280 Well, it's still distressing that somebody would want to go that way, though. I mean,

00:55:52.400 what would the motivation be to empower people to buy memberships without somebody's consent?

00:55:57.040 It just seems like a ridiculous piece of legislation to go towards.

00:55:59.920 And to be honest, in my view, it raises some serious flags with the direction of the party and the government.

00:56:06.300 Yeah, there was a number of MLAs that objected to that and fought against it last fall.

00:56:13.120 But, you know, the legislation ended up going forward to our disappointment.

00:56:19.760 So within caucus, I imagine, though, the discussion, I mean, I know there's only so much you can disclose.

00:56:26.160 you've got obligations, but it's not just yourself and MLA Stephan that have shown some discontent

00:56:32.900 with the party leadership. Do you anticipate, now that you've extended, I mean, it's kind of

00:56:37.520 slowly peeling off this review, there could be more discord going on within the party as we lead

00:56:41.940 up towards that? I mean, it could increase tensions. Yeah, it certainly increases tensions

00:56:47.320 with some, I, you know, I can't spell their MLAs.

00:56:51.640 I can just try to bring forward how I feel

00:56:55.520 and I'll let them establish their positions.

00:57:00.700 Well, and as to where you feel,

00:57:03.060 I say yourself and say a couple of others,

00:57:06.540 Brian Jean, Mr. Stephan,

00:57:09.560 have all sort of kind of crossed the line of no return.

00:57:12.100 If Premier Kennedy survives the leadership review

00:57:15.380 and stays on as premier, where do you feel you would land in that sort of situation?

00:57:21.800 Yeah, I don't see myself being able to maintain this position in the party.

00:57:33.340 I think it would be very difficult to move forward, but we need to see, I guess, what the members say.

00:57:42.140 I mean, we're going to require a very strong mandate.

00:57:46.700 Since there's been a big change here in the process, no longer could 50% plus one be considered a strong mandate.

00:57:59.220 When you look at premiers of the past, Klein had 90%, 90%, and then 55% in his review.

00:58:06.560 Stalmack had 77%, and I also believe that Redford had 77%.

00:58:12.080 Now, both all three of those ended up having to step down.

00:58:15.780 So I would think that in this type of process with 55,000 members, we're going to require a 75% response.

00:58:26.180 And I guess we'll have to see what the members say.

00:58:29.480 Yeah, I've said that before.

00:58:31.340 I mean, the fear of the real division and split, the worst outcome that could possibly happen in this is a close outcome.

00:58:37.180 I can't see how the party would manage to maintain unity at that point if the leader stayed on with a narrow mandate.

00:58:48.180 Yeah, that's right.

00:58:49.760 If it's just a little lower 50%, then I think it has to go back to the MLAs and the MLAs will have to make a decision internally.

00:59:02.120 point. So there's a couple of court challenges, I believe, in the works or some attempts and things

00:59:07.340 like that. I know that's not part of what you've been taking part in, but you know, if there's

00:59:10.160 this much progress being made in that front that might change this move towards changing the

00:59:14.800 progress, you know, of course, if the courts intervene, it's going to turn it into an even

00:59:18.640 bigger mess. Yeah, you know, I don't really have any insight onto the legal aspect of this. It's

00:59:28.540 that's not something that uh i'm really involved in i have been told that uh um there is i mean

00:59:34.540 certainly this went against the bylaws of uh and the constitution of of the party but that it's

00:59:41.580 also an infraction of the societies act now you know i'll have to leave the lawyers uh to uh to

00:59:47.820 follow up with that so do you see any path though where premier kenny could change direction uh win

00:59:55.740 the the hearts and in support of of yourself and other discontented members at this point or do

01:00:00.780 you believe it's just too far gone well i i hope it's not too far gone i mean i'm i'm a ucp mla i

01:00:08.940 support my party i support my government i support my colleagues so uh you know i i want to see a

01:00:17.180 unified party moving forward and uh if we can somehow do that if we can somehow come together i

01:00:23.900 I'd be very happy and open to that.

01:00:28.780 Yeah, well, it's going to be a volatile and interesting,

01:00:33.100 you know, almost darkly so a few weeks or months

01:00:36.120 leading up to this almost going forward.

01:00:39.500 So what are your plans?

01:00:41.920 I guess just you're going to carry on doing your role

01:00:44.240 as a regional MLA, and I don't imagine you're getting

01:00:47.220 too much inside work with the government at this point.

01:00:52.040 yeah i mean that's that's all i can do is just continue to you know to do the work that the

01:00:58.180 constituents asked me to do and uh you know i we got a couple of weeks uh that we're going to be

01:01:04.660 back in constituency so i'll have to reconnect with the constituents at that time we've been

01:01:09.420 sitting now for a month uh so go back and um yeah and get their opinions get their feedback

01:01:15.400 And, um, yeah, and just keep going forward, Corey.

01:01:18.880 Great.

01:01:19.840 Well, I appreciate your coming in to give us an update and talk about this.

01:01:22.960 Do you have any other initiatives or bills that you're working on that you'd

01:01:25.480 like to mention while we've got you?

01:01:26.920 Well, I, I just finished a motion in the house.

01:01:30.880 It was motion 502 and it was, um, uh, centered around veterans and, uh,

01:01:36.880 mefloquine toxicity and, uh, providing government, providing support for research

01:01:42.400 research to help veterans who are suffering from Quinnism.

01:01:48.060 So that's something that I'd like to continue moving forward

01:01:51.460 in order to help Alberta veterans,

01:01:55.220 as well as veterans across Canada.

01:01:57.860 Great, well, that sounds like a well worthwhile motion.

01:02:01.260 So, well, thank you for staying principled, I guess,

01:02:04.560 and speaking up for your constituents,

01:02:05.820 because that's what representative democracy

01:02:07.200 is really supposed to be always about.

01:02:08.900 I mean, we are, or I used to be a party loyalist.

01:02:11.600 do have to try and maintain some unities but at times you you just you got to speak up for what

01:02:16.880 you feel is right so i appreciate you doing so uh mr guthrie yeah thanks gary all right i hope we

01:02:22.460 can talk again soon you bet thanks so yeah just to review that that's uh the ucp mla for airdrie

01:02:31.560 cochran peter guthrie and uh he's been you know one of the more outspoken along with jason stefan

01:02:37.780 And of course, Brian Jean's always been there, but in being very fully critical of Premier

01:02:43.260 Kennedy's leadership at this point.

01:02:44.960 And as we watch this, this whole, I don't know how to put it, you know, debacle develop.

01:02:50.400 We're seeing some of the ugliest political play we've seen in years going on like this.

01:02:55.700 You know, when a party starts breaking its own rules, starts twisting things to try and

01:03:00.280 protect, you know, the top rather than respecting the grassroots, it always puts one off.

01:03:06.960 And it gives us a lot of memories of the old progressive conservative days.

01:03:11.320 You know, that's part of why, you know, as I said, I haven't held a political membership in some years now, but I did a lot in the past.

01:03:17.280 And I got involved in the Alberta Alliance and then Wildrose Alliance and things like that.

01:03:20.780 It wasn't that the progressive conservatives were all that bad, though they did do a lot of poor policies in my view, particularly under Redford.

01:03:28.120 But it was that entitlement and partisan internal, I wouldn't call it like corruption and pocketing funds, but corruption in principle.

01:03:36.020 and the members just really didn't come first with them and it just seems that that attitude

01:03:40.640 I kind of figured it would come in with the UCP eventually you know when a party's in power too

01:03:45.280 long it happens but I was confident they were going to make it more than three years before

01:03:49.480 they hit that point and it doesn't seem to be the case I think this party needs a reset and a kick

01:03:55.740 as I said I was very optimistic about Jason Kenney initially I really had been hoping he would be

01:04:00.360 the next Ralph Klein and we could usher in 10 years of good, stable government and not worry

01:04:06.440 about partisan games, but worry about better policies. And we haven't had that. We're seeing

01:04:11.700 nothing but this sort of bad policy infighting. I didn't go into it with MLA Guthrie, but the

01:04:19.080 things I've talked about that I've been upset with, the Fair Deal panel report. I mean, look at all

01:04:23.180 that, all that work, all that talk. That's what a lot of us voted for them for. And now they're

01:04:27.180 sitting on it. You know, they're not moving on any of these things. Or we just keep getting talked

01:04:31.980 and talked and talked to death. We want some action in this province. We've never been good

01:04:35.440 with this talk, particularly when it comes to standing up to Ottawa. That's an ongoing problem.

01:04:41.720 As well, I mean, initiatives, I thought I like recall as an initiative. I've always liked it.

01:04:46.700 It holds people accountable between elections. And it says a lot that the recall legislation,

01:04:52.540 which, well, in my view, for one, it only came in recently. They could have done that in their

01:04:56.520 first session. It's not that hard. It's a dysfunctional piece of legislation. The bars

01:05:02.080 they set to invoke a recall are so high it's never going to happen. And even then they seem to be

01:05:08.200 fearful of it because they haven't proclaimed it. It would take them a day or two and they could get

01:05:12.860 it fully proclaimed in, but it's sitting there on the order paper just hanging there. They won't

01:05:16.640 even bring in their own law. Again, it tells me they're fearful of the citizens. They're fearful

01:05:21.120 of the party members. Well, if you're fearful of them, you should be listening to them. You should

01:05:25.400 be finding out how you can appeal to them. But instead, they seem to be finding, looking for

01:05:29.900 more ways to just dodge them and avoid them and just cling to power at all costs. And everybody,

01:05:36.420 at least everybody, conservatives, biggest fear is having to say Premier Notley for four more years

01:05:41.800 again. And if this party can't seem to get it together, that's a very real risk we're facing.

01:05:48.340 We're all worried about that. So what's going to happen? I mean, they've changed those rules.

01:05:53.280 I've said before, I don't know if that's, you know, the Premier is floundering.

01:05:56.940 A lot of people simply do not support him right now.

01:05:59.900 Even with this massive new number of members who are qualified to vote in this race,

01:06:04.440 it doesn't mean they're going to vote overwhelmingly for him.

01:06:06.920 I think what they mostly did was bought themselves time.

01:06:09.780 Now he's got a much longer timeline to try and somehow turn the boat around,

01:06:14.000 turn around that discontent, and get a favorable vote out of this.

01:06:18.180 And as MLA Guthrie was talking, too, it's going to have to be a strong one.

01:06:23.000 And as he said, you know, I mean, for Guthrie and some others, Lila here, Brian Jean, Jason

01:06:29.020 Stephan, and probably I wouldn't be surprised to see some more surfacing in the next little

01:06:32.540 while.

01:06:33.200 If Kenny wins, they can't stay in that caucus.

01:06:36.060 What are they going to do?

01:06:37.380 I mean, you've come out against the leader.

01:06:39.060 He's still in power.

01:06:40.920 We're going to see, I think, another party forming.

01:06:43.400 That's just speculation on my part.

01:06:45.340 No MLAs have said it, but I think it's silently in the background.

01:06:47.920 All you need are four sitting MLAs and you've got instant party status.

01:06:50.840 and there's already two sitting over there in the sidelines on the conservative end of things

01:06:55.860 anyways. Just a few more and suddenly you've got, we're back to the Wildrose PC situation,

01:07:01.860 which ended poorly in the end, you know, that brought in Premier Notley. So we've got a real

01:07:07.520 problem coming along here and the constituency games are going on. As I said, you know, you can't

01:07:13.720 properly campaign on something like this now when only the party has access to the members. So

01:07:19.080 So every member is going to get the emails from a pro-leader point of view, pro-Kenny point of view.

01:07:25.140 They're going to get the perhaps physical mails or phone calls or campaigning things.

01:07:28.900 Otherwise, I guess some of the constituency associations, as MLA Guthrie pointed out, they could talk to their members.

01:07:36.360 And that's where we've seen a lot of the initiative having trouble with Premier Kenney's leadership has been coming from the constituency association level.

01:07:42.860 That's what first pushed this.

01:07:44.560 And there's where a lot of that hypocrisy is.

01:07:46.060 Let's not forget that.

01:07:47.040 The constituencies always initially wanted a mail-in ballot.

01:07:50.780 They wanted every member to be able to vote, and the party quashed that.

01:07:54.960 They forced it into this Red Deer thing where everybody was supposed to pay $100

01:07:59.600 and get together in one spot and vote.

01:08:02.660 They thought that was going to save their butt.

01:08:03.960 Once they found out it was the opposite, they changed the rules.

01:08:08.620 Like, when are we supposed to believe you guys?

01:08:11.320 When you were talking six months ago or whatever it was,

01:08:13.800 saying mail-in ballots were impossible?

01:08:14.980 when you're saying they were unreliable.

01:08:17.480 Now it's completely changed.

01:08:19.140 You know, when we hear these party leaders

01:08:20.380 lying to us and flip-flopping,

01:08:22.340 it's no wonder we lose faith

01:08:23.500 and not just party members,

01:08:24.680 that's people in general.

01:08:26.380 And we can't forget,

01:08:27.420 it's not only Kenny's popularity

01:08:28.840 or his vote that's on the line

01:08:30.240 with the UCP right now,

01:08:31.700 their numbers are terrible.

01:08:33.540 Their fundraising numbers stink.

01:08:35.460 Their general numbers across the province stink.

01:08:39.160 For support,

01:08:40.600 three years in against the NDP

01:08:42.320 and the NDP have not been shining, guys.

01:08:45.300 Notley has not been an impressive opposition leader.

01:08:48.300 She's been almost obsessive.

01:08:51.700 And they haven't been all that brilliantly organized.

01:08:55.120 But you know what?

01:08:56.880 The UCP just seems to be determined sometimes to give it away to them.

01:09:01.580 So what's going to come out of this in this next couple of months?

01:09:04.180 I don't know.

01:09:05.000 And then whether we're going to go to a leadership race and start that speculation.

01:09:08.020 That's part of what worries me too as well with them kicking it down the road.

01:09:11.600 Okay, they kicked this down the road.

01:09:13.360 It's now held in May.

01:09:14.980 And it turns out the party's members have still said that's enough, and Jason Kenney is no longer the leader.

01:09:21.300 Well, now you're going to invoke a leadership race, and that's going to take them a month to come up with the rules and get people lined up.

01:09:25.720 And then it's going to take four more months to try and run a leadership race if you're going to run a short one.

01:09:30.620 Meanwhile, we're less than a year from the next election period.

01:09:34.360 So a new leader is not going to have a lot of time to get his or her feet underneath themselves to stand up for the party in that election.

01:09:43.620 Like, this is just an unholy mess, and I'm not sure how the heck we're going to get out of it.

01:09:50.220 But we're certainly going to be watching it closely as days pass by.

01:09:52.940 As I said as well, we've got legal challenges going on now, too.

01:09:56.040 We've got other areas of rebellion within the party.

01:10:01.920 I don't know.

01:10:02.760 We've never seen anything like it.

01:10:03.880 There's one of the, you know, talk about this last two years has been all of these things.

01:10:07.220 Trying to come up with answers for things.

01:10:08.640 You know, how do we deal with the pandemic?

01:10:09.880 I don't know.

01:10:10.120 Can I ask Dad?

01:10:10.660 Well, we never dealt with anything like that.

01:10:11.920 Grandpa, well, he's passed away now. Nobody's dealt with anything like this before, so it's hard

01:10:16.760 to look back and see what you're supposed to do. Well, nobody's dealt with having a leadership

01:10:24.920 turmoil mess internal within a party like this either, so we don't know the rules or how we're

01:10:30.020 supposed to look or what we're supposed to expect. We're in uncharted waters. Makes it, I guess,

01:10:35.240 exciting for those of us writing news copy and opinion pieces, but it's hard on Albertans.

01:10:39.280 and instability you know that that's one of the things that's bad for the economy bad for people

01:10:44.960 in general is is not being able to rely on things and alberta right now is unstable politically

01:10:50.240 that hurts us as well it's bad enough we got a federal government that is hostile to us that is

01:10:56.320 attacking our industries that's putting them at threat but now we've got a provincial government

01:11:00.640 that's not looking stable and secure right now as well so it makes it difficult to bring in

01:11:06.800 investment and get people on board. And we have to be concerned about that. Let's look at a little

01:11:12.120 more new stuff until my next guest gets here. Some of the stuff Melanie was talking about with the

01:11:15.960 news check-in. I love some of the stuff that committees are exposing. Committees, watching

01:11:20.100 them is usually boring as all get out. Bless those people with Blackhawks and some of the others who

01:11:24.500 watch these committees and read their notes and minutes and things because there's so much

01:11:29.520 important information that happens in government. You know, we watch Question Period, but all we

01:11:33.340 really see is theater and yelling and back and forth and heated questions, we don't often get

01:11:39.280 clear answers on things. That actually is more likely to happen in committees in parliament

01:11:43.420 and most people don't watch it. That's where a lot of bad policy can slide under the radar,

01:11:47.380 but also a lot of good numbers and outcomes come in and people don't pay enough attention to

01:11:51.360 realize it. So when we're looking at some of these things with businesses requesting government

01:11:57.580 financing, so the subsidies, speaking of subsidies, you know, there's that myth with Jagmeet Singh that

01:12:02.160 that Melanie was talking about of oil companies being subsidized.

01:12:04.920 They aren't, guys.

01:12:05.760 They aren't.

01:12:08.320 Let's talk about subsidies for a second.

01:12:09.960 I get sick and tired of that one.

01:12:11.340 Talk about oil and gas is subsidized and subsidized.

01:12:13.460 B.S., okay?

01:12:14.560 B.S.

01:12:15.140 But you see socialists like Jagmeet Singh and his, you know,

01:12:20.500 best boyfriend there, Justin, feel that all money is the government's,

01:12:26.280 and they let us have back what they feel is appropriate.

01:12:29.780 That's the reality.

01:12:30.520 That's the way they look at it.

01:12:31.620 So money not taken is considered a subsidy to them.

01:12:36.260 So if taxes are less on this sector or that sector or in business in general, they call it subsidizing those businesses.

01:12:43.960 Well, no, it was the business's money to begin with.

01:12:45.680 It was never the government's money.

01:12:47.940 Letting a business keep more of its own money is not subsidizing it.

01:12:51.540 It's actually good government.

01:12:53.360 But you don't get good government out of socialists, especially when it comes to business.

01:12:58.580 So, you know, they keep pushing that myth, the anti-oil, the anti-energy.

01:13:04.020 These guys push that myth, saying that oil and gas companies are subsidized.

01:13:08.540 Because, hey, there is no shortage of corporate welfare out there.

01:13:10.920 There were some programs that are questionable.

01:13:12.520 There's a few things.

01:13:13.440 None of these billions and billions they're talking about.

01:13:16.120 But, oh, there's some energy companies that have taken some things,

01:13:18.700 some of the abandoned well funds, things like that, orphaned wells.

01:13:22.480 But this giant amount of, and you listen to the green crowd saying,

01:13:26.500 oh, we can shift to solar and wind. You know, it's just that if we just stop subsidizing all

01:13:31.020 that oil and gas, it would go away. No, it's not being subsidized, you freaking fools. And we need

01:13:36.200 it. We need oil and gas. Look at the world price. It's not a matter of subsidies, it's supply and

01:13:40.540 demand. Despite what you guys constantly think, we need petrochemicals. We have to have them.

01:13:47.660 In Canada, we would die without them. Get real. Can't eat your house with a windmill out here,

01:13:53.380 guys. Solar panels are a long ways from replacing it. And everybody's scared of doing nuclear. We

01:13:58.660 need the oil and gas for a long time to come. And we aren't subsidizing. All we need is government

01:14:03.780 to get out of the bloody way. That's the main thing. Get out of the way. But when they come

01:14:09.700 up with that, you know, seeing with this, and I, you know, Melanie actually talked along the lines

01:14:13.060 of it sounds like the coalition might be falling apart between Trudeau and Singh. I don't think

01:14:16.500 that's the case at all. And I wouldn't worry about that. I wish it would fall apart almost.

01:14:22.980 But Singh just has to find a point of principle.

01:14:25.740 I mean, he's getting it from his own party members, of course.

01:14:28.040 He's joined at the hip with Justin Trudeau.

01:14:30.380 It's hard on principled NDP members, and they do exist.

01:14:33.960 They want to stand up for what they feel is right,

01:14:36.100 which is even farther left of Trudeau, and they're upset.

01:14:38.740 So Jagmeet has to get out there and say,

01:14:40.340 no, I'm independent.

01:14:41.100 You see, I'm not always with Justin on everything.

01:14:42.840 I differ with him on this emissions thing.

01:14:45.520 But I think it's nowhere near actually forming cracks

01:14:48.340 that would make their coalition fall apart.

01:14:50.100 or alliance, I should say, not coalition.

01:14:53.360 And back to subsidies, though,

01:14:54.980 part of why we're in the economic mess that we're in.

01:14:57.160 76% of all small and medium-sized enterprises

01:14:59.880 requested government funding,

01:15:01.200 said a survey on financing and growth,

01:15:03.360 with an approval rate of 98%.

01:15:05.580 So this was over the pandemic, you know, things like that.

01:15:09.660 Businesses, the smallest were one to four employees,

01:15:11.680 and the largest were 100 to 499,

01:15:14.600 and the average amount increased with the size of the firm.

01:15:16.860 now this is difficult the government this gets back to my principles when i'm talking about

01:15:23.500 government getting out of the way the reason these companies were all so desperate to get

01:15:27.180 government subsidies real subsidies not the fake subsidies like the uh oil and gas uh industry

01:15:31.940 is accused of direct checks money given to businesses these businesses were hurting

01:15:37.880 because the government banned them from doing their jobs banned them for being open sent their

01:15:41.980 employees home. Restaurants were closed for months. Hotels, office buildings had to be emptied out.

01:15:49.240 The entire economy was thrown for turmoil over the pandemic, and these businesses were going

01:15:54.180 to go bankrupt. So then the government felt obligated to borrow more money because they

01:15:57.400 didn't have it. They borrowed it, and they bailed them out with it. And I'm not faulting the

01:16:01.140 businesses for taking it. Hey, it's between that and going bankrupt. What are you going to do?

01:16:05.140 But we're in a mess. It's a temporary fix, and it's not a proper fix. Again, it gets back to the

01:16:09.680 government just should have gotten out of the way. All the business, they didn't want handouts.

01:16:13.100 Nobody, well, I shouldn't say nobody. Most people don't open a business with the intention of taking

01:16:18.540 handouts, of being subsidized. People who start businesses are people with ambition. They want to

01:16:23.860 get out there and make money. They want to pride themselves on creating a product or service that

01:16:28.740 people want to pay for, and they can employ some people perhaps, make some money and retire. Like

01:16:34.040 everybody else, they're just taking a different path than through employment. They don't want to

01:16:37.500 do it as a corporate welfare sucker. Not most of them anyways. But they were forced into that

01:16:43.880 corner. But all government had to do was just get out of the way and let them operate. If businesses 0.87

01:16:47.880 were that scared, they could close on their own. It gets back to the masking debates and everything

01:16:51.400 too. These mask zealots, you know, they get so upset with us daring to be unmasked. Hey, you guys

01:16:56.500 can wear a mask. You can wear a scuba mask for all I care. A Scott pack, you know, with full

01:17:01.640 self-contained oxygen. I don't care. But I'm not wearing one for you. Gets my ass. Sick of it.

01:17:10.020 Free choice. When are we going to get to that? Same with the businesses. The business should

01:17:13.680 have been allowed to open and not open. And the businesses should be able to, you know,

01:17:17.460 respond to consumers. Getting back again, I guess I'll take another shot at the Chamber of Commerce

01:17:25.160 and Deborah Yedlin because she's just something else. And that was back when she lit the alarm

01:17:29.460 Bells, when we got rid of the stupid vaccine passports for restaurants, which didn't help 1.00

01:17:33.420 the health of anybody. All they did was harm business. And that one, I think

01:17:37.440 it's Ship and Anchor, Virtue Signaling Bar in Calgary, oh, we're going to keep it in place

01:17:41.420 because we know our customers will feel safer with vaccine passports.

01:17:46.340 Pumped it within weeks. It's all talk.

01:17:48.960 When the dollars talked, they had to back down. Even the Ship and Anchor,

01:17:53.460 Virtue Signaling Hipster Bar had to face that reality.

01:17:57.560 Yedlin doesn't have to because she just sucks money out of the Chamber of Commerce, 1.00

01:18:01.240 which doesn't really seem to reflect businesses.

01:18:04.460 And there's the trio that have gone to Vancouver right now.

01:18:08.280 It's Gondek, Mayor Gondek, you know, the Chamber of Commerce is over there in Vancouver,

01:18:14.640 and Calgary Economic Development, which is just a cesspool of slush funding for subsidizing businesses in Calgary.

01:18:21.640 It took $100 million tax dollars and has failed catastrophically in drawing business to us.

01:18:26.440 They're just wasting it and giving good jobs to government lackeys. 0.93

01:18:30.740 But they're all in Vancouver talking about how to go net zero in Calgary.

01:18:33.360 And they're doing that rotten crap talk.

01:18:35.400 And that's the sort of stuff we get out of the economic development and the Chamber of Commerce.

01:18:40.500 If we can go net zero, we'll draw more business.

01:18:42.280 Oh, BS.

01:18:44.340 For people who follow me on Twitter, you can see that at Corey B. Morgan.

01:18:48.260 Just today, outside of the Standard, on 7th Street LRT platform,

01:18:52.920 I took a picture because there was EMS officers standing along with peace officers over a person

01:19:01.160 laying prone, and there was an ambulance at the end of the street. They weren't in a hurry. They

01:19:05.780 weren't moving. I suspect that whoever that person was laying there was deceased. Usually, I think

01:19:11.760 they move faster on an overdose if the person's still cognitive. I'm not sure. I didn't stay around

01:19:16.520 to find out for sure. Hopefully, it was just somebody who was out and they did revive him.

01:19:19.960 This is what we see every bloody day in downtown Calgary. It's a mess. It's loaded with homeless

01:19:26.360 people, addicts, crime. People are not worried about net zero downtown. They're not worried

01:19:33.160 about Gondek's stupid frigging climate emergency. No wonder her approval ratings are the lowest of

01:19:37.680 a new mayor in probably Calgary's history. We need to clean up downtown. We can see on the

01:19:43.980 ground what you don't with your cloistered world. I mean, you go to City Hall. How do you not

01:19:49.580 actually see what is happening outside around you. Do you ride in a limo and then just get out into

01:19:54.800 an internal parking lot and not look out the windows when you go by? You've got much bigger

01:19:59.200 issues to solve downtown to draw commerce here than worrying about some net zero crap. And quit

01:20:06.060 feeding me that crap that's the same as you guys with the vaccine passport saying it's good for 0.88

01:20:11.880 business. B.S. The only person who would say that's somebody who's never run a bloody business.

01:20:16.680 And the same thing with net zero.

01:20:18.520 Oh, businesses all want to come to places with net zero.

01:20:20.380 BS.

01:20:20.940 They might say it.

01:20:21.680 They'll put it in their mission statement.

01:20:22.860 They're virtue signaling too.

01:20:24.640 The only thing that draws them is looking at the bottom line.

01:20:27.740 Can I get staff to do what I have to do?

01:20:30.080 Do they want to relocate to the place I want to relocate my business to?

01:20:33.180 Are taxes reasonable?

01:20:34.900 Are the lease rates reasonable?

01:20:37.000 Is the infrastructure good?

01:20:39.160 They don't give a rat's flying whatever about net zero.

01:20:43.140 So this is what the municipal leadership is doing today.

01:20:49.600 The anti-car hysterics.

01:20:51.580 That's something else.

01:20:52.260 Derek disagreed with me on that one, and that's fine.

01:20:54.480 But we have an issue going on in Calgary, and every city deals with this.

01:20:58.600 You know, the anti-car, these guys are obsessive.

01:21:00.600 They really are.

01:21:02.000 And John Carroll Carras, you know, the hipster-in-chief in Calgary,

01:21:05.480 he's really the loony lefty.

01:21:07.500 He's really overtaken the role now that Drew Farrell moved aside for it.

01:21:10.660 and they're going to take away the parking

01:21:13.120 for people who lived in Mission in Calgary

01:21:15.380 in the Beltline near downtown.

01:21:17.320 There's people who lived there for 20 years,

01:21:18.800 and they get parking permits to be able to park out front in that area,

01:21:21.060 and it's a dense downtown area.

01:21:23.080 Well, they're getting rid of it.

01:21:23.900 They're saying, nope, that's it.

01:21:24.840 No more parking permits for you guys.

01:21:26.600 We're going to make it a pay system out there.

01:21:28.120 If you can get lucky enough to find a spot, good luck on you.

01:21:30.080 And listening to Karaw, he said,

01:21:32.000 those people have been subsidized for years,

01:21:35.820 and they can take their things.

01:21:37.540 He won't even say cars.

01:21:39.140 The vitriol out of that, man.

01:21:40.480 He won't even say cars that take their things and go somewhere else.

01:21:44.140 This is what he's telling citizens.

01:21:45.820 This is what he's telling taxpayers.

01:21:47.140 This is what he's telling people here that he's supposed to be serving, not spitting at like that.

01:21:52.680 And they're screwed.

01:21:53.860 Can you imagine?

01:21:54.560 A lot of those people living in apartments down there.

01:21:56.800 You're in these areas.

01:21:58.360 They don't necessarily work downtown.

01:22:00.040 They could be in the industrial area.

01:22:01.500 They could be somewhere outside of that.

01:22:03.160 And now they've got to find a new way because our transit system is too scary to ride for a lot of others.

01:22:07.160 so okay i've got our next guest on deck i'm going to bring him in to close out the show i just i've

01:22:12.560 been looking forward to talking to him about that and that's michael binion of the modern miracle

01:22:16.600 network and he's also a heads quest air energy because we we've had some announcements from the

01:22:21.980 federal government on uh some some very serious emissions uh uh targets they've set at least and

01:22:28.420 and it could very seriously impact a lot of our energy uh sector out here and there's a lot of

01:22:32.540 questions and we're quite concerned about it hopefully we can we can get some answers so

01:22:36.360 let's bring Michael in and hey there, Mr. Binion, how's it going? Good, Corey, nice to see you.

01:22:41.720 Yeah, good to see you. So yeah, I mean, as I talked earlier, you know, I'm glad we can get

01:22:46.120 you for a few moments because I know it's been sudden and everybody's still kind of digesting

01:22:50.920 what this might mean, but Justin Trudeau announced, you know, these 2030 targets of bringing

01:22:56.680 emissions below 40 to 45% below 2005 levels and they constantly point their finger towards the

01:23:03.560 oil and gas sector when they do it uh just i guess to start how might this impact uh oil and gas in

01:23:09.960 canada yeah you know corey i think it's really interesting i had a had a good read of the of the

01:23:15.080 of the announcement from the government and and you know at a high level i think that there's a

01:23:20.200 certain level of it being ridiculous but in some of the details i feel like there's the beginning

01:23:25.240 of the government starting to realize you know coming up against reality but just to start on

01:23:29.640 your general question the reality um you know i think i think that canada's progress on emissions

01:23:35.240 i think it's been something like one percent in 10 or 20 years and they're you're we're now talking

01:23:39.480 how we're going to make 40 percent in eight years uh so you know if if we're gonna do that that's a

01:23:44.840 pretty dramatic change and we're gonna need we're gonna need some pretty specific plans to even

01:23:50.200 talk about that and this announcement certainly doesn't give that and and i would have to say

01:23:55.640 overall it just seems that we've got a you know the prime minister talking about that the war in

01:24:02.600 ukraine the energy crisis in europe the worldwide shortage of the potential shortage of food i mean

01:24:07.800 all these different security of supply chain and humanitarian issues and and his solutions well we

01:24:13.800 need to reduce emissions in canada and that's going to somehow help so i it does feel out of

01:24:18.600 touch at the highest level both from how is it possibly a solution to these global problems

01:24:23.880 one and two how how do you possibly think you're going to reduce 40 percent in eight years when

01:24:29.840 we've only been to do one percent in 20 years um without an actual plan so i i think that's

01:24:34.180 the high level answer and then i'd love to talk to you about some of the details that i think

01:24:37.700 are interesting absolutely because i mean even if it doesn't seem achievable they could they

01:24:42.260 could certainly stir things up and do a lot of damage in trying to to achieve something that's

01:24:47.500 unachievable and uh you know it's got a lot of people sweating right now yeah i but my general

01:24:52.880 take is that we've got a government that is stuck in what's you know with what they feel is a new

01:24:59.200 progressive idea but in fact is a is is an old and outdated idea i i think that their thinking

01:25:04.400 is trapped in the 20th century i think it was in the 1970s and 80s that environmental groups came

01:25:10.480 up with the idea that the only possible solution is for us to ban to cap to block to have moratoriums

01:25:17.520 we're going to have to transition off of oil and gas and the only possible solution are going to

01:25:22.000 be new forms of energy, right? And I think we've got a government that has, you know,

01:25:26.740 and by the way, those people, I don't think they've really had a new idea in close to 50

01:25:31.060 years. I mean, they're still saying that solution is bans and blocks and moratoriums and emissions

01:25:36.160 caps like this bill. And what this government, I think, is running into trapped in what I would

01:25:44.400 say are actually old 20th century ideas for the environment is they're running up against some

01:25:49.360 new realities and what and and what's really brought those new realities into focus is the

01:25:54.780 war and the crisis um and you know how you you have to come straight up against this issue of

01:26:00.360 energy security and so in in the document itself what i found very interesting was

01:26:05.980 and it an admission for the first time ever and it's only one line but that canada should think

01:26:12.840 about exporting more lower emissions oil and gas well how long have people like me been saying that

01:26:18.140 i mean it's just so common sense obvious and so finally we have an admission of that but then of

01:26:24.320 course the overall document says but we're going to put a cap on and make it harder so i found that

01:26:28.480 contradictory and if i can if i can just go on from there's two more contradictions like that

01:26:32.820 if that's okay for you um the other one that i thought was super interesting there is they

01:26:37.980 they finally came out and we saw a precursor to this with wilkinson's and gilbo's uh you know

01:26:44.820 op-ed in the national observer which is interesting right right in the in the um the environmental

01:26:51.220 home court there saying that carbon technology is going to have to be part of the solution

01:26:56.180 and the international energy agency has been saying this and again people like myself at

01:27:00.900 modern miracle we've been saying since 2015 that the solution is better technology for all of our

01:27:09.060 energy sources including and especially for oil and gas and now we have this government saying oh

01:27:14.820 okay we need we need um we might need new tech as part of the as part of the solution um but then of

01:27:21.780 course they are doing some things potentially make it harder the final thing where i thought there's

01:27:26.180 a bit of a contradiction is they and they don't say it directly but they indirectly basically admit

01:27:32.580 this carbon tax isn't working and they how they say it is they say look we need to make carbon

01:27:38.180 pricing reliable and permanent because under the current system there's no incentives for people

01:27:45.460 to invest in that technology to invest in exporting more oil and gas that's lower emissions as they

01:27:51.460 said they've now admitted we need to do um but there's no incentives because because people

01:27:56.100 don't have a long-term uh investors don't have long-term security that the carbon price will

01:28:03.540 that they'll be able to get that carbon price back on their investment and i said and this is again

01:28:08.340 something we've been saying since 2015 the carbon tax is penalizing people it doesn't incentivize

01:28:14.740 reductions and emissions it doesn't incentivize new technology and they're now realizing they

01:28:19.460 need something else but again they contradict themselves and go ahead with the carbon tax

01:28:22.660 increase anyways so i found all those things was as i said just to conclude that i think we've got

01:28:29.780 a government starting to come up with the reality that ukraine has put right into our face but that

01:28:35.060 has been hitting us already if we really want solutions to emissions they have to be real world

01:28:40.820 solutions not 1970s 1980s ideas on blocks and bands and so you've got this document that's a

01:28:47.380 mixture of both blocks and bands new technology export more produce less uh you know introduce

01:28:55.220 carbon pricing incentives but increased carbon tax penalties too it just seems like a government

01:29:01.380 that's mixed up running into reality not knowing what to do contradicting themselves and of course

01:29:05.940 as all the critics have said no specific plan in there so there's my there's my diatribe i hope

01:29:10.980 that wasn't too much well not at all so it sounds like it was almost a shotgun approach i mean

01:29:15.540 their backs on the wall maybe they hadn't anticipated uh when this plan was going to come

01:29:19.700 out that there was going to be such high you know uh resource prices at this time too to make it

01:29:23.540 look a little more unfeasible but i guess you're looking into trying to find some areas of optimism

01:29:28.420 some realities creeping in here and there maybe if we could keep pushing uh some of those elements

01:29:33.060 within the government can learn more reality and we can still keep a productive energy sector while

01:29:37.540 working towards reasonable targets i i do see there's an opportunity that it seems to be

01:29:43.380 emerging i'm calling it an opportunity for convergence um people like myself who started

01:29:48.100 of modern miracle in in in 2015 to talk about that you know let's just say look let's stop

01:29:53.980 comparing the benefits of one kind of energy to the impacts of another and realize that the you

01:29:59.100 know the benefits of our current energy sources have been truly miraculous and whatever solutions

01:30:03.960 we come up with we need to keep those benefits and that means we need to work on the impacts

01:30:08.100 and and and by the way that's not kid ourselves wind and solar have some pretty big impacts too

01:30:13.540 and and they need to work on their technology as well and i'm sure they will and i know it'll get

01:30:17.200 better too but uh so we want to start that conversation but i think there's now an opportunity

01:30:22.960 because that conversation is now developed we're starting to see it even in the government's

01:30:26.500 document there's an opportunity for to be a convergence of of what i call um solutions

01:30:33.360 oriented a new generation of environmentalists who are solutions oriented they're they they're

01:30:38.420 they're against emissions they're they're they're for the environment they're not just automatically

01:30:43.940 against oil and gas because they're against oil and gas and these solutions-based environmentalists

01:30:48.260 some of the big oil companies the small entrepreneurs I think everyday people I

01:30:54.300 think there's an opportunity for us all to look and say hey there are some solutions here in

01:30:58.480 technology Canada can you know we could become a world leader in what some people are thinking is

01:31:04.620 going to be a trillion dollar market for carbon tech and we could be that we could be a leader in

01:31:09.700 that and that carbon tech you know you look at that's 80 percent of our global energy is

01:31:14.180 hydrocarbons there's enormous opportunities lots of low-hanging fruit there we could be a leader

01:31:20.180 there the other thing is this idea of it's a global problem we need to reduce global emissions

01:31:25.860 not canadian emissions exporting more low emissions projects is part of the solution

01:31:30.980 and to understand that you know penalizing people just for commuting to work or keeping their homes

01:31:36.500 that's not going to solve anything we need to incentivize the you know these some of these

01:31:41.460 technologies so i feel there's a potential for convergence and perhaps we'll start to see that

01:31:47.380 um you know this liberal government will start to converge with us on some of these solutions and

01:31:53.860 and as you said that's a reason for optimism if if in fact out of this hodgepodge document

01:32:00.900 we see some commitment to those to those areas that they hint at

01:32:05.340 Well, one can certainly hope.

01:32:06.940 I mean, some of those advancements made in the hydrocarbon sector, you know, and carbon capture or carbon conversion or a lot of very exciting developments.

01:32:15.740 And it seems often that they just don't seem to get credit for it, though.

01:32:18.100 I mean, they're trying.

01:32:18.780 They're out there.

01:32:20.200 Colin Craig with Second Street put on some great things when I had him on before.

01:32:23.160 Everything from vodka to tennis rackets.

01:32:25.740 You know, we can utilize these things.

01:32:27.600 But if they don't feel there is an incentive, as you said, well, they're going to stop eventually.

01:32:31.380 and that well if government starts recognizing that you might be moving forward i guess try to

01:32:36.580 find that little silver lining somewhere in that big document yeah and i and i certainly am a

01:32:40.900 proponent more of an incentive uh based or oriented approach to to this that's incentivized people to

01:32:47.300 to reduce their emissions to take uh you know carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere i i think

01:32:52.660 that works better than this idea of penalizing people for things that they can't stop doing

01:32:56.580 anything which is heating their homes and so on and so forth like so that's a personal bias but

01:33:00.580 but wherever it is uh you know what i like to say is that a lot of this technology about being able

01:33:06.180 to recycle co2 um you know most people don't realize you can do it but organic chemistry is

01:33:13.540 well understood we've known for a long time like what second street's been talking about we've

01:33:18.260 known for a long time that you can take co2 and water add energy and turn it into everything that

01:33:25.300 mother nature turns it into you know so there's so many industrial minerals you know calcium carbon

01:33:30.420 magnesium carbonate industrial alcohols um consumer alcohols as as as the second street's referred to

01:33:37.620 um fertilizer uh carbon black carbon pitch carbon nanotubes uh the cement additives i mean all of

01:33:46.180 these things that we already know how to do today and so you know as my daughter said to me well dad

01:33:52.740 if that's all true that you can do that why haven't we been doing it already i said well there's never

01:33:57.380 been an incentive like we didn't recycle tin cans when i was young until we started putting deposits

01:34:04.340 on beer cans and pop tins and you know glass bottles well that that's when we started recycling

01:34:10.020 because there was a deposit on the on the on the can of beer well we put a deposit on the can on

01:34:15.780 the ton of co2 trust me there's a lot of amazing technologies that exist already we don't have to

01:34:22.020 discover them so i don't know that people really understand that it's possible to make hydrocarbons

01:34:27.940 sustainable that the technology exists already today and it's just a question of what is society

01:34:34.500 willing to pay how big a deposit are we willing to put on the can of beer if you will um and if

01:34:40.420 it's you know and and by the way some of these cement additive technologies they're uh they're

01:34:45.860 economic at low cost five to twenty dollars a ton um and we're looking we have a blue hydrogen

01:34:52.660 project that if the government in quebec would let us do it we think we could do it for under

01:34:57.060 a hundred dollars a ton and and and so we're talking about zero emissions production zero

01:35:02.160 emissions consumption of natural gas uh for under a hundred dollars a ton in quebec potentially so

01:35:07.140 um and and i know that the the the pathways people i think that they're you know they're

01:35:12.180 sensing something at around 150 a ton so if there's incentives are in place we could make

01:35:17.480 massive improvements in our emissions and export it around the world and also by exporting our

01:35:23.840 lower emissions, oil and gas, and other products help a global problem.

01:35:28.000 Well, great.

01:35:28.440 Well, thanks for coming on to break some of that down.

01:35:30.420 And I guess, you know, just calm some of the fears,

01:35:33.560 although we're still apprehensive and concerned and bring about, you know,

01:35:36.620 show and speak to some of those things people outside of the sector don't

01:35:39.500 realize are happening out there and things that the hydrocarbon sector is

01:35:42.860 already in the process of doing.

01:35:44.520 So I appreciate you coming in to join us at the, you know,

01:35:47.100 the end of the show here today, Mr. Minion.

01:35:49.140 No, thank you, Corey.

01:35:49.960 It's so nice to have you on.

01:35:51.120 And by the way, I get that this document as written and as it's gone, it's a concern, that 40% number headline.

01:35:57.760 I mean, without a real plan, without a new approach, like I would call a 21st century approach, this is going to be trouble for us.

01:36:04.920 But as I said, a couple hints in there, maybe this government is starting to pivot to a modern approach.

01:36:09.340 And if they do, maybe we'll see some convergence.

01:36:13.360 Well, let's hope we really need some positive developments in this world for a change.

01:36:17.440 So I'll let you get back to work there.

01:36:19.980 And thanks again.

01:36:21.440 Yeah, just to remind everybody, this is Michael Binion from the Modern Miracle Network and Quest Air Energy.

01:36:26.560 Thank you so much, Craig.

01:36:27.360 Good to see you.

01:36:28.180 Great.

01:36:28.460 Thanks.

01:36:28.900 I'll talk to you later.

01:36:31.220 All right, guys.

01:36:31.940 So, well, you know, that was good.

01:36:33.080 It was more of an optimistic look than I anticipated.

01:36:35.240 And that's fine because, you know, I'm always sour and scowling and putting out the negative in these things.

01:36:39.240 So, you know, get somebody to look at it and say, hey, there's a few things in here we can look at that there could be some silver linings hiding in that document and some things.

01:36:46.280 And maybe common sense is driving home.

01:36:48.780 I mean, economics eventually forces a reality check upon people,

01:36:52.200 no matter what we do, whether we like it or not, even liberals.

01:36:55.120 And not everybody in the Liberal Party is economically blind,

01:36:58.180 even if the prime minister and his environment minister

01:37:00.240 don't show much indication of economic skill and nuance.

01:37:04.800 So I am going to take it off here, guys.

01:37:07.080 It's been a good, full-packed show.

01:37:09.260 Tomorrow, I'm going to have Senator-elect Erica Baroudis come on. 1.00

01:37:12.300 And, you know, I've been asking all these leadership candidates

01:37:14.380 as I've had them on, whether or not they would appoint our elected senators.

01:37:18.560 Well, Erica Barutis is one of them, and I'll get her thoughts on federal politics

01:37:22.220 from a person who may become a senator of ours eventually.

01:37:25.300 And also I'll have Michelle Sterling from the Friends of Science coming on,

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Western Standard - March 31, 2022

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