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00:00:00.000 G'day, I'm Derek Fildebrand, publisher of the

00:00:29.840 western standard and you're watching the pipeline today is march 12 2024 i'm joined by my usual two

00:00:38.280 colleagues western standard opinion editor nigel hannaford it's 2025 you might want to start again

00:00:43.780 did i say uh 2024 no we're not starting again you're going to go with 2024 i'm going down on

00:00:49.820 2024 good to be here i i'm the boss i'm always right and that's that's the year i say it is i'm

00:00:55.920 putting it in the style guide there you go guys all right and uh well that's why we have an editor

00:01:00.100 here to correct my errors and uh western standard senior alberta columnist cory morgan happy to be

00:01:05.340 here any year any year okay well uh mark carney has replaced justin trudeau as the leader of the

00:01:13.060 liberal party of canada he will be sworn in in uh any day now as the prime minister can he save

00:01:20.180 the liberal party some would say can he make the liberal party great again uh and will he call an

00:01:25.640 election. A lot of signs are pointing to an election being called early next week. We're

00:01:31.460 going to read the tea leaves. In BC, the BC Conservative Party has seemingly blown up after

00:01:36.920 John Rustad fired a controversial NLA. Can that party be saved from itself? We're going to talk

00:01:43.960 in a few minutes to Western-centered BC Bureau Chief Jared Yager. And whose trade war is it

00:01:51.100 anyway, just chaos reigns on both sides as they fall over themselves. It seems to be just a

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00:02:49.140 Okay, so we're going to bring in Western Standard,

00:02:53.920 BC Bureau Chief Jared Yager right now,

00:02:56.960 based in the lovely Vancouver, British Columbia.

00:03:01.880 Jared, I saw the news first on the Western Standard,

00:03:05.580 just as it was happening.

00:03:08.740 Conservative leader John Rustad kicked out

00:03:11.620 MLA Dallas

00:03:13.960 over some comments. Why don't you just set it up

00:03:16.880 and give us some context here before we start

00:03:18.720 chatting about it.

00:03:20.500 A couple weeks ago, MLA Dallas

00:03:23.040 Brody, she took to Twitter

00:03:24.860 and posted about the residential school

00:03:26.960 in Kamloops saying, as of now

00:03:28.760 no mass graves have been found

00:03:30.740 and

00:03:32.000 that tweet blew up and it caught the

00:03:34.880 attention of people within the party

00:03:36.900 and outside the party and lots of

00:03:38.880 backlash. And so John

00:03:40.900 rastaf he asked her to take down the tweet she didn't and eventually he said okay you can you

00:03:46.300 can keep that up and we went on a bunch of podcasts and doubled down on that uh on that claim

00:03:53.280 and it was during a an appearance on the francis widowson podcast that um she went a little bit

00:04:00.840 further and she at one point started talking about those who who talk about my truth your truth

00:04:07.220 and saying, no, we need to advocate for heat birth. 0.93

00:04:12.380 And she said it in a little bit of a mocking voice. 0.59

00:04:17.080 And that's what, according to John Rustad, pushed her over the edge.

00:04:20.480 He told me that's unacceptable as an elected representative

00:04:25.780 to be talking about people that way.

00:04:29.060 And some people interpreted her comments as talking about

00:04:33.980 residential school survivors, Rustad among them, while others thought that she was talking about

00:04:39.820 those who say like, well, there might not be any mass graves. You know, my truth is that there are.

00:04:48.140 And so there's been a bit of a divide between those who believe she was talking about that

00:04:54.040 and those who think she was talking about the survivors themselves. And so things got to a

00:04:59.960 point uh rusted he tried to work things out with her but it just it just couldn't happen

00:05:06.120 so she was let go and then yeah within hours um jordan keely and her armstrong they followed suit 1.00

00:05:15.560 and since then they have been talking about starting their own party but as of now no

00:05:22.380 formal moves have been made so they're just sitting as independents

00:05:26.340 so uh jared this was there's inevitable tensions uh in relatively new parties i mean on paper the

00:05:34.000 bc conservatives are not a new party but in effect it's a it's for all intents and purposes

00:05:38.780 a pretty new party uh it's it's very reminiscent actually to uh you know the wild rose caucus in

00:05:45.540 2012 which was almost all new and then uh because almost all of them quit and joined the pcs and

00:05:51.240 then lost the election in 2015 uh cory it was all new uh again it's kind of got that that a similar

00:06:00.060 vibe to it where it's a lot of rookie mlas and even and very few experienced ones around um

00:06:07.640 it's this is a bad start they uh this i think correct me if i'm wrong jared this was just the

00:06:16.020 first week of session since the election uh first or second week yeah yeah and i will say we have

00:06:23.320 seen like there's only three out of the 44 mlas that they have and so it's it's not like this is

00:06:29.840 a you know half the party coming out and saying uh oh we want this or we want that like it's a

00:06:36.780 it's still a you know divide and and it's worth considering but keep in mind it's only it's only

00:06:42.720 than three so far well cory you know if you lose three mlas that's three who are willing to put

00:06:47.600 their whole career on the line it normally means a hell of a lot more behind the scenes because

00:06:50.920 most mlas aren't going to go that far within an hour or two of this kind of thing uh you know you

00:06:58.100 know the way this kind of thing works if you've you got three come out yeah out of a caucus of

00:07:02.120 33 odd as a percentage maybe not massive but that generally pretends a much larger problem behind

00:07:08.040 the scenes it's so certainly a warning i mean it can cascade i was with in the wild rose days when

00:07:12.440 we had one MLA, and then we had lost that MLA, gained one more, and then floor crossings are

00:07:17.700 what made our party into what it was that turned into, you know, a lot. I won't repeat the whole

00:07:21.760 history, but it's what made the BC conservatives. It can't understate the potential issue with this

00:07:27.140 as well. Three MLAs is a beachhead. It's a place now for disenchanted MLAs to join. They're not

00:07:33.480 going to be sitting alone in the corner of the legislature. By BC law, two MLAs can have

00:07:38.840 automatic party status if they want to go that route. As Jared said, they're talking about it,

00:07:43.280 but they haven't committed. If another party is formed, gains status in the legislature,

00:07:48.460 it doesn't mean that a lot of members are going to come over and join necessarily,

00:07:52.040 but it's sitting there beckoning to the small C conservatives all the time. If there's further

00:07:56.860 blowups, here's somewhere you can go. Here's a home where you can land. So it's very, very

00:08:00.740 dangerous. And Rustad, I think, has some serious issues on his hands he has to resolve.

00:08:06.840 Jared, I'm not sure how much to make of it.

00:08:09.760 I've talked to, you know, several fairly senior people in the BC Conservatives

00:08:16.200 who expect that there's a very good chance there could be more than this.

00:08:19.960 I'd like to get your sense of that, about the chances that more could leave.

00:08:25.360 But also, what does this mean for the leadership of John Rostat?

00:08:29.380 He didn't face a leadership review at his last convention,

00:08:32.740 but he's going to have to face one at some point, I believe.

00:08:36.000 Um, and, you know, coming out of the election, I think it was, it was seen as pretty glowing.

00:08:40.720 He took the party from zero to within a hair of, of forming government and, you know,

00:08:46.320 formed the biggest opposition in the province's history.

00:08:49.100 Um, so maybe, maybe take that as a two-part question first, you know, what do you see

00:08:54.740 as the, the chances of other MLAs joining the three who are already gone?

00:09:00.160 And addition to that, you know, what impact is this having on the leadership of John Rustad?

00:09:06.000 so i'll start with the second part there because uh yeah from the beginning there have been

00:09:11.500 kind of two camps within the party those who are pro-rested and those who think maybe we should

00:09:16.820 find someone else to to lead and so yeah in the recent agm there was no leadership review

00:09:22.340 but he is set to face one in the fall so we i think it's more likely that we see

00:09:28.380 maybe maybe a new leader or more leaning towards that direction than more people leaving the party

00:09:35.320 altogether because kind of what this reminds me of is the uh concert like the on a federal level

00:09:41.180 the conservative party versus the the ppc you know you have to ask yourself in canada and in bc in

00:09:46.980 particular how how far to the right can you go before it becomes you know too much for the general

00:09:55.360 population you know the bc conservatives they you know they have that center right

00:10:01.360 vote you know from the bc united former bc liberal voters and the new bc conservative voters

00:10:08.980 and the three who left it sounded like they wanted to move a little bit further to the right and i

00:10:17.660 just don't know how that would work here in bc whether or not they have the support from the

00:10:23.560 population but also from within the conservative caucus to jump ship and move over you know to

00:10:31.340 their side.

00:10:32.960 Nigel, I'm not, maybe it's seen as, maybe these guys want to go in a more rightward

00:10:38.880 direction, but it's also just a matter of, there's competing narratives here.

00:10:43.940 You know, John Rustat claimed that Dallas was disrespecting and mocking survivors of

00:10:49.940 sexual abuse.

00:10:52.600 I, you know, I, I suppose some could read it that way, but it's a fairly uncharitable

00:10:56.400 read of it.

00:10:57.700 I, I read her comments.

00:10:59.280 i saw the video i i didn't see it that way i i saw it as like no there's either mass graves

00:11:06.320 or there's no mass graves there is the truth and just as your truth might say there's mass graves

00:11:11.960 there does not mean there's mass graves there and i suppose she's the mocking tone towards those

00:11:16.760 who think that you can just invent your own truth and that that should be taken as something but

00:11:21.780 um i i don't know within the conservative bc conservative party it doesn't look to me like

00:11:29.720 the ndp narrative about dallas's comments which in the end were adopted by john rust that

00:11:35.800 unfortunately uh it doesn't look like to be the truth and and this doesn't pretend well for him

00:11:42.420 i don't think it's seen as a radically right-wing view in 2025 at least when people are a bit more

00:11:48.080 bold to speak freely right now uh that someone says no there was no mass graves found we've

00:11:54.240 spent tens of millions of dollars to investigate this zero mass graves or even singular graves

00:12:00.300 were found and you're not allowed to have your own truth about that that's just the objective

00:12:04.280 bloody truth i don't think that's a particularly radical view for someone to take no it certainly

00:12:10.140 isn't and then i you know we we need even around this table to make sure that we don't fall into

00:12:16.700 a kind of conversational shorthand where we equate people who want to establish that truth

00:12:22.480 as taking the party to the right. If it is true, it is not a left-wing or a right-wing issue.

00:12:30.060 The proper response, and I think the one that any conservative can adopt, is if terrible things

00:12:36.300 happened, we need to know. But until we know that terrible things happened, what is the evidence

00:12:43.640 that they did. And right now, we don't have much to go on. And therefore, the party should

00:12:51.060 have been able to unite around that thought and go forward. Too bad they didn't. But as

00:12:56.640 we have often said among ourselves, trying to run a conservative party is like herding

00:13:02.320 cats. Everybody has their own idea.

00:13:05.600 Jared, I want your sense of, within the party, which narrative is winning out?

00:13:13.640 You know, the NDP's accusations against Dallas that Rustad seems to at least in part have taken that she was mocking sexual abuse survivors or, you know, her own defense that no, she was saying that there's an objective truth.

00:13:31.500 There's no such thing as your truth, my truth, her truth, et cetera.

00:13:36.400 Where do you get a sense the caucus on one hand and the broader membership on the other are going with?

00:13:43.900 Are they backing Rustad or Dallas on this?

00:13:47.700 I think when it comes to this issue, you know, it's important to find the truth about their residential schools.

00:13:55.220 And Rustad even said, you know, I agree with her, there were no graves found.

00:13:59.540 But in the grand scheme of things, I don't know, a lot of people, they're just not willing to die on that hill, right? Because it is such a catchy situation. You know, you, you talk about the fact that there were no bodies found. And, you know, it's a, a lot of people see it as a slippery slope to saying maybe the residential schools weren't that bad or downplaying the atrocities that happened there.

00:14:26.720 And so the sense I get is a lot of the MLAs and people within the party that kind of playing it safe and just avoiding stepping into that territory and focusing more on the things that really matter to everyday voters, you know, bringing down the food, housing and things like that.

00:14:49.260 Within the party, though, what's where, you know, there's kind of two big, important groups here. There's the membership on one side and the caucus on the other. Like, BC conservatives in the caucus and the membership kind of have to take a side on this. I mean, maybe they can, you know, for tactical reasons, try to stay quiet or neutral. But where are people coming down on this? I mean, this is now a crisis in the party.

00:15:14.180 They've lost three MLAs in a matter of a couple of hours.

00:15:18.200 It took John Rustat less than two weeks to lose three MLAs.

00:15:22.420 It took the BC United Liberals four years to lose that many, really, by the end.

00:15:29.060 I think this is not something that can be swept under the rug and move past quickly.

00:15:33.660 So between the membership and the caucus, where do you think most people are coming down on?

00:15:37.880 How great is the divide in the party between these two sides?

00:15:41.180 honestly within the caucus i i don't think it's that there's that much of a division and and you

00:15:49.380 saw like the the two two other members who who left alongside brody i reckon they're the most

00:15:55.740 you know the most on her side there may be others in the party who who feel the same but like i

00:16:03.980 said it's just not a hill that they want to to die on and we'll see how that plays out for them

00:16:09.540 politically as this becomes more and more of a, of an issue of a wedge within the party itself

00:16:16.760 and, and in the membership. I just personally don't know how much it matters to the average

00:16:22.920 voter. Yeah. Just to add, I think something that made Rustad probably feel he was cornered a bit

00:16:28.440 too, though, is this moved beyond a clash of two different ideas into an MLA calling out another

00:16:33.800 MLA within her own caucus, which is a different line crossing as well. You don't want your own 0.97

00:16:38.220 team to start fighting with each other publicly anyways you know we know how badly they fight

00:16:43.180 behind closed doors but when she went on to widowson's podcast and directly targeted another 0.77

00:16:48.300 mlaian within her caucus that's also a potential precedent and conflagration that i could see set 0.50

00:16:54.860 off alarm bells for rusted like i've got to nip this in the bud because this really can take off

00:16:58.940 just despite what people may feel on either side so it kind of put them in a tough position to be

00:17:03.140 enemies yeah yeah because you had uh one of i think was the house leader i can't recall her 0.95

00:17:08.180 name but she's difficult name she's she's indigenous uh and you know by dallas's account 1.00

00:17:14.900 she was that emily was screaming at dallas like right in her face i i can't verify that's just

00:17:20.100 that's just her account of it you know it's sometimes there is no win situation and he got

00:17:25.520 a fisher cut bait but it seems to me rustat should have sat these two in the room i other women so i

00:17:30.660 I guess you can't fiscally grab them by the cuff and slap them upside the head.

00:17:34.020 If they were boys, I'd say maybe do that.

00:17:38.300 Not quite so literally with the ladies, but you've got to sit them down and say,

00:17:43.500 okay, you two are going to, good pun, bury the hatchet here.

00:17:47.160 You've got to figure your shit out, and you're going to get on the same team.

00:17:52.500 That's the leader's job.

00:17:53.700 And I'm not behind the scenes.

00:17:55.420 Maybe it was a lot more difficult than that.

00:17:57.260 It normally is.

00:17:58.100 but uh there's something wrong in bc conservative land and it's not looking good all right jared

00:18:06.180 thank you for joining us uh we'll let you get back to work in beautiful vancouver

00:18:10.460 okay uh so we're going to turn to ottawa here um mark uh justin trudeau is uh only prime minister

00:18:23.740 for another day or two probably mark carney will be sworn in trudeau is dead long live the carney

00:18:29.980 uh nigel why don't you uh set up what's going on right now with uh carney taking the reins and 0.94

00:18:35.820 what's happening moving forward well derek there's really two things going on here the first is the

00:18:39.980 mechanics of transition as mr trudeau leaves and the second is whether anything changes with mr

00:18:47.260 Kearney calling the shots the dealing with the first and you know we don't know exactly when the

00:18:54.860 keys pass from one hand to the other but you know Kearney will be busy at this moment working on who

00:19:00.460 he's going to put it in his cabinet I don't honestly expect there's going to be any change

00:19:04.940 uh certainly not in the senior ranks because they come with institutional knowledge and experience

00:19:09.660 and uh why would you uh why why would you he's worked with these people before he's been advising

00:19:16.140 the Trudeau administration now for something like four or five years, maybe longer, we don't

00:19:21.720 really know, but certainly actively involved in recent times, he'll be happy with the people he's

00:19:27.460 got. And then after that, he's going to want a meeting with the provincial premiers, because

00:19:32.320 right now there's a very odd narrative playing out where there's actually much more action on

00:19:39.640 the trade war with the United States being taken by the leaders of the provinces than there is

00:19:45.680 by the federal government um you know we're gonna get the trade we'll get the trade war in the next

00:19:50.640 segment but yeah well we will but it's uh i'm just saying that you know the appearances for

00:19:55.880 mr carney require that he show leadership at the highest level and with doug ford you know making

00:20:02.560 his uh his uh play and with danielle smith making her play in houston at the moment he doesn't look

00:20:10.040 like he is leading in that area so us that's the mechanics of transition the second thing

00:20:18.120 is whether anything changes in policy and i'm going to go out on a limb here and say nothing

00:20:23.240 will change because mr carney is actually the author of everything that mr trudeau is being

00:20:31.400 done and i think he rather looks at it like an old wizard might look at the apprentice who has

00:20:37.880 totally screwed things up and he's grabbed the broomstick back and uh now he's going to give us

00:20:44.120 net canada net zero in a very short time and that's gonna hurt well i wouldn't say nothing

00:20:50.420 uh very little i think would generally change he is uh he has said he'll get rid of half the

00:20:56.260 carbon tax the consumer portion not the industrial portion even though the industrial portion is

00:20:59.860 actually bigger and does drive up our costs and back somewhere else well he's pretty much said

00:21:05.540 as much yeah he'll get rid of the carbon tax and and give us a uh oh a carbon rebate you know

00:21:11.820 it doesn't really look like it's going to change uh the one where it does seem like it's going to

00:21:16.980 be probably just a real change is dropping the increase in the capital gains tax that wasn't

00:21:21.880 implemented yet so it doesn't that'll be harder for them to move around uh you know and as lefty

00:21:27.740 as he is he also does know capital markets and he probably knows himself how destructive that

00:21:34.140 policy is uh you know in some senses he's like justin trudeau just smart um so i i think on the

00:21:42.880 capital but that's i mean as important as that is that's one of a thousand files the liberals have

00:21:47.760 completely screwed the pooch on um i'm not sure he's actually going to have a meeting with the 0.66

00:21:52.660 premiers and really have much opportunity to show real leadership before going to an election

00:21:56.960 because you know likely all all the signs are pointing towards an election being called next

00:22:03.320 week uh it's not guaranteed don't take it to the bank here um i just interviewed uh michelle

00:22:09.120 remple uh i'm doing a special show during the time where we think we're in an election here

00:22:14.880 including before i just had michelle michelle remple on the uh interview will uh will show

00:22:20.200 will will show tomorrow um she's already opened her campaign office in calgary they've the

00:22:26.660 conservatives have staffed their war room the conservatives are taking it to the bank that the

00:22:30.560 liberals are calling election next week it's probably actually the best move right now they've

00:22:34.340 got a little life in the polls which poll you believe depends on which party you favor

00:22:40.340 ecos uh frank graves if the polls are drunk i i can't say that frank graves is drunk but i can

00:22:47.000 say his polls are drunk um frank graves is showing the liberals at 48 percent big it would be the

00:22:53.640 biggest liberal government majority in hit in the history of canada he's got them winning

00:22:59.320 everywhere other than alberta and even he means a wellness check though i mean that's just he's

00:23:04.880 become a uh unfortunately just there's no credibility left yeah yeah so i don't take him

00:23:10.400 but all of the polls even the ones that are showing like you know abacus has uh generally

00:23:15.400 been the most favorable to the conservatives it's still showing the liberals getting some

00:23:19.420 life back. Still getting crushed. The Conservatives

00:23:21.460 still winning a big majority, but

00:23:23.380 the Liberal's not getting wiped out.

00:23:25.840 Leger shows essentially

00:23:27.400 a tie. The Liberal's on a very statistical

00:23:29.220 tie, but the Liberal's on a modest

00:23:31.380 nominal lead. There's

00:23:33.480 some life in the Liberals.

00:23:35.220 Coming at the expense of

00:23:36.800 mostly the NDP.

00:23:39.500 So, you know, I bet you

00:23:40.960 Jagmeet Singh is on his knees

00:23:43.240 outside Carney's office crying.

00:23:45.220 Please don't call an election right now.

00:23:47.820 Jagmeet Singh has lied

00:23:49.340 one, he has lied ten

00:23:51.340 too many times to be believed that he'll

00:23:53.440 ever bring down the Liberals. He'll keep them in

00:23:55.420 power as long as it takes to get his pension

00:23:56.900 or to not get wiped out in the election.

00:24:00.840 So,

00:24:01.380 Corey,

00:24:01.980 I think it's looking pretty safe

00:24:05.620 that Carney's just gonna 0.98

00:24:07.180 take advantage of at least some

00:24:09.380 life in the polls the Liberals have got here, which is

00:24:11.040 better than they had a few months ago, and he's just

00:24:13.400 gonna call the election next week. Well, I think

00:24:15.200 they're gonna strike while the iron's hot. I think

00:24:17.320 the concept of them pushing it to fall is

00:24:19.320 gone. But there might be a few things he might want to go two weeks even to just try and get

00:24:23.720 established. As Nigel said, maybe show an impression that this is how I'm going to collect

00:24:27.580 the nation and unify them and get things done just to show a bit of an impression of leadership

00:24:32.460 rather than straight from the Liberal coronation into a general election. But I mean, yeah,

00:24:39.320 the countdown's on. It would be within weeks. I was driving North Calgary the other day and I see

00:24:44.100 that uh george shahal uh also known as the the porch pirate has his signs out already on uh on

00:24:50.200 main streets and calgary of course he he does that trick that you see with incumbents they're

00:24:54.460 not election signs but they're just a bunch of member of parliament for the area celebrating

00:24:58.920 being a member of parliament and just reminding everybody who that member of parliament is but

00:25:02.760 he's not campaign and you can do that with taxpayer resources exactly yes so uh but i mean if they're

00:25:07.120 getting those out onto the streets they're expecting it within a a week or or two tops

00:25:12.900 I think the big factor, if it's going to be, I mean, most people expect to be called next week.

00:25:19.020 I actually think that's a bit fast for him to go.

00:25:20.860 I think he should, for his own interest, probably take another week.

00:25:24.200 I mean, he needs to assemble a cabinet and he needs a bloody platform for the election.

00:25:29.920 Well, I mean, it's the liberals.

00:25:30.680 Maybe they don't need a platform.

00:25:32.100 We're the liberals, damn it.

00:25:34.020 So we're vote for us.

00:25:36.000 But they're going to want to at least put together a bit of a new game plan.

00:25:39.300 The question is, how much did he do already behind the scenes?

00:25:41.860 Because, I mean, he was expecting to walk into it. He won with 85, 86 percent of the vote, officially at least. And so, you know, he was already making calls, putting together a list of star candidates to be cabinet ministers. We've learned from CBC Radio Canada. Did he essentially have the team already writing the platform for the party behind the scenes before he came in? How far ahead do you think he is?

00:26:04.800 I think what he actually needs is a signature speech.

00:26:07.940 He needs some sort of a we will fight on the beaches type of a speech

00:26:13.460 to lay out his plans and present him as the authentic national leader

00:26:19.700 that he, you know, if there's a national emergency, that's what you need.

00:26:23.920 And many people would say that this is a national emergency.

00:26:26.920 So not one of them.

00:26:29.120 I think it'll work itself out.

00:26:30.420 But at any rate, at this very moment, at this point, with Mr. Carney's priority to be getting elected as prime minister,

00:26:40.360 it's very much in his interest to put out a bold face.

00:26:43.320 And right now, we don't have a definitive statement of principle and purpose from the new leader of the Liberal Party.

00:26:54.760 So Mr. Carney has to get out of there and give that.

00:26:57.900 And I would imagine that he would do that probably at the time that he calls the election.

00:27:04.040 But right now, he's working behind the scenes.

00:27:09.580 But, you know, he knows all these people.

00:27:11.000 He's been working with them.

00:27:12.080 Not much is going to change.

00:27:16.140 You know what we're going to get.

00:27:18.220 All right.

00:27:18.700 If you're Mark Carney, Corey, and you've got one week, what are you doing with that week right now?

00:27:24.780 You're dropping the rate.

00:27:25.720 You're going to see the governor general one week from now.

00:27:27.660 What are you doing first?

00:27:28.660 You've only got, if you've only got one week, I mean, that's again, assuming that he's been working behind the scenes because the cabinet's important.

00:27:33.920 People have to remember there will be a caretaker government working during the election and that will be the cabinet.

00:27:38.280 So it is important that he's selected people to fill those roles as events come up and pass through that.

00:27:45.620 And again, we're speculating on how much he, how much he had done prior to getting crowned as the leader of the Liberal Party.

00:27:54.200 has he got a campaign team put together for a general election has he got the funding put

00:27:59.040 together he's he's got a lot to do in a short time and and as nigel said he's got to at least 0.93

00:28:04.460 have that kickoff then he's got to define who he is where he's going what he's going to do

00:28:08.500 and he really hasn't done that yet i see the throne speech is a potential opportunity for

00:28:13.760 that i mean if you can kick it down that far you know they've done that before you use it i mean

00:28:18.640 they're just reading what the prime minister has written and you can basically have that as your

00:28:22.700 election kickoff and then just dissolve the house the second yeah but you know it's read by the

00:28:27.060 governor general it's kind of hard to put a partisan punch into that they don't know he's

00:28:31.460 the two ones just indirectly but he's gonna but it's not as good you're not it's not a state of

00:28:34.940 the union where you get to read it yourself no no it shouldn't because people do want to see

00:28:38.020 Carney I mean people have heard of him but honestly aside from political weenies like us

00:28:42.280 go out in the street with a picture of Mark Carney and ask your average person if they can

00:28:46.520 identify him and I doubt very many people could at a glance and it's surprising I guess people

00:28:52.240 like the liberal brand is giving them a bounce but carney himself people don't know him and

00:28:56.920 they're gonna start paying attention a little in this next month so he he'd be well served to kick

00:29:01.460 it off on his tone and and uh you know he's he's got to get it together fast you know it i still

00:29:09.620 think the conservatives are favored to win the election but it's no longer a total slam dunk

00:29:13.520 but they're going to get this historic super majority the liberals are going to get utterly

00:29:17.340 crushed 1993 PC, Kim Campbell style. Um, you know, I think there are a lot of voters,

00:29:25.520 particularly East of Manitoba that embrace the Laurentian elitist, you know, and he is smart,

00:29:34.600 uh, relatively articulate. He's rich, powerful. Um, and he's a progressivist and internationalist

00:29:42.020 like justin trudeau but he doesn't have that back fife in gesicht a punchable face you know

00:29:49.540 you look at justin trudeau you know there's a lot of people just they just want to punch him in the

00:29:54.220 face he's got an annoying face and he's got an annoying voice they just hate everything about 0.84

00:29:57.780 him now mark carney doesn't have that he does not have an annoying voice and he does not have an

00:30:03.120 annoying face and maybe that's enough to save them well certainly i remember writing something along

00:30:09.600 those lines about six weeks ago

00:30:11.240 that this was a fellow, actually

00:30:13.480 I wrote this just after he made his

00:30:15.120 campaign launch in Edmonton

00:30:17.760 and pointed out, you know, here's a guy

00:30:19.480 who doesn't wear odd socks

00:30:20.640 he's wearing long trousers, he's an 1.00

00:30:23.500 adult, he's quietly

00:30:25.740 reassuring and

00:30:27.340 there is some

00:30:28.920 it would actually be in his

00:30:31.580 benefit maybe to wait a little longer because

00:30:33.760 once people see

00:30:35.620 that, they might have more confidence

00:30:37.780 and the liberals so you know we're hoping that we get to get the election call here quickly if we

00:30:43.540 if we don't want mark carney uh no he's um this is somebody writing in another newspaper

00:30:51.860 he's the snooze button for older liberals uh you know i don't normally tip to other newspapers but

00:30:59.860 i thought that was quite a good who coined that one that's good it was in the national

00:31:03.460 post i don't remember who it was mark carney is the liberal snooze butt yeah you know it is we've 0.53

00:31:09.200 got rid of the crazy guy now we've got somebody sensible everything will be all right now

00:31:12.820 everything will not be all right but they don't know that because they don't get into politics

00:31:17.900 the alarm will come back on he's just snoozing but he is a good contrast to justin i mean justin

00:31:23.960 even on the way out had to carry his chair and have his tongue hanging out of his head like an

00:31:27.680 imbecile walking out of the house of commons people were tired of the clown they were finished 0.83

00:31:32.600 with justin everybody was sick of justin liberals conservatives alike and this is quite the opposite

00:31:37.480 this is a very restrained controlled uh gentleman and dull but maybe people are ready for dull uh

00:31:45.000 dull can sell at the right time especially in when the world seems to be going wild around them

00:31:49.500 okay well speaking of the world going wild around them thank you for the uh for the segue uh cory

00:31:56.760 uh whose trade war is it anyway um it's our our danger in this segment is not sound exactly like

00:32:07.080 we did in this segment last week where we're just saying like it's just crazy we're on again we're

00:32:13.100 on again off again we still want to get an off again it's still going on uh cory why don't you

00:32:20.200 kind of set up uh what the hell is going on well this it's the ongoing thing nobody can really

00:32:26.480 figure out what trump wants i mean i think people have been trying to hey we'll accommodate you just

00:32:32.100 just give us your bloody demands i mean you're throwing out all the punishments but not telling 0.71

00:32:36.520 us what we're supposed to do it's like beating a dog before he's even pissed on the rug yet i was

00:32:40.880 gonna say it's like shooting on only digits before making uh your demand for the money yeah some

00:32:44.660 people are getting exhausted they're getting frustrated it was interesting with doug ford

00:32:49.260 looked like he was taking the stance we're gonna take you on we're gonna go toe to toe i'm gonna

00:32:54.060 to slap back we're going to hit the electric rates and then much like trump in the sense a

00:32:58.040 whole bunch of bluster and right when the zero hour came he folded like a cheap suit and took

00:33:02.280 off and retracted everything so hour by hour we can't keep up on what the heck is going on and

00:33:07.820 meanwhile the markets though and that's one consistent thing they hate instability that's

00:33:12.160 always been a rule of business and it shows because day after day after day they just keep

00:33:16.740 plummeting as they don't know what to expect and what they're getting uh don't i want to talk about

00:33:21.740 doug fort particular here i mean he's generally been the most aggressive pitbull on so-called

00:33:27.580 team canada here and he says i'm gonna shut off the electricity then he kind of moved that to

00:33:32.180 a surcharge of i think 25 on electricity going to a certain northern uh northeast states um

00:33:41.180 and then you know trump's response was he's like well you're not allowed to do that well you're

00:33:46.420 not allowed to do anything you're doing because you're tearing up uh comes out the latest silly

00:33:50.600 name for NAFTA that we have. Everyone's operating outside the rules here. And, you know, whatever

00:33:56.800 else, even if you're sympathetic to Trump, this is clearly outside the rules of the USMCA or

00:34:02.960 CUMSA, whatever the hell we're calling it now. But Ford says, I'm going to turn off the electricity

00:34:10.320 or I'm going to put a big surcharge on electricity, go on to the states. Then Trump says, fine,

00:34:16.080 I'm doubling the steel and aluminum tariffs, to which Canadians seemed utterly stunned to be like, well, you can't retaliate to our retaliation.

00:34:24.920 Yeah, you can.

00:34:27.140 It's stupid what we're doing here.

00:34:29.280 Trade wars generally aren't good for anybody, especially between friends.

00:34:32.880 But Ford seemed utterly gobsmacked that the Trump administration would respond to him at all in any way other than to give up to him.

00:34:42.940 You know, it's very interesting how the Doug Ford story plays on both sides of the border.

00:34:51.020 And if you watch the CBC, you know, we have it on in the background so we get to see it.

00:34:59.380 You know, Doug is a hero.

00:35:02.400 And as a result of the stand that he took, we're getting a meeting next week with the U.S. Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick.

00:35:11.060 You know, people need to talk to each other, and maybe there are things that the Commerce Secretary has been delegated that he can do that might be helpful.

00:35:21.720 You never know.

00:35:23.040 Meanwhile, on the south side of the border, your comment about folding like a cheap suit basically sums up the editorial opinion, especially out of Fox News.

00:35:35.200 But, you know, it wasn't like ABC was that impressed either.

00:35:39.620 It's just, well, you know, that was a quick, easy win for Mr. Trump.

00:35:45.400 So, trying to make sense of it all, first of all, it shows that you actually do need to be speaking as a united voice.

00:35:57.160 And right now we've just got, we don't have any leadership from the federal government.

00:36:02.120 And I know that I would trust leadership from this federal government anyway.

00:36:05.980 But it's kind of an odd thing that Doug Ford would be out there in front

00:36:10.020 saying he'd take his own personal reprisals against the Trump administration.

00:36:17.740 And I don't know, where was the national backing for that?

00:36:21.380 So that's the first thing.

00:36:22.820 A very odd episode was that.

00:36:25.860 As for trying to make sense of what's going on,

00:36:28.560 i do believe that confusion is part of the strategy what i perceive as the overall trump

00:36:38.880 goal and this is not something that nobody has said before but worth repeating his goal is to

00:36:45.540 bring industry back into the united states because it's like over the last 30 years it's largely

00:36:50.440 largely departed and therefore the mechanism is terrorists all right if that's the if that is the

00:36:57.940 goal, what is the method? Well, one is to so scare your opponents to throw them into confusion,

00:37:06.220 but in the end, they'll say yes to anything just to make the pain stop. That may well turn out,

00:37:11.000 in the last analysis, to be the Trump strategy, in which case trying to accommodate him on a

00:37:17.900 piece-by-piece basis is probably something that's going to have to wait for the big final meeting

00:37:22.680 where everybody gets together.

00:37:24.640 Corey, Trump has said a lot of things

00:37:27.520 that just aren't true,

00:37:28.120 that they're subsidizing Canada.

00:37:30.900 And at first I'd be like,

00:37:32.220 well, he's talking about subsidizing our military

00:37:34.100 and be like, no, he's like,

00:37:35.000 oh, we're subsidizing their industry.

00:37:36.480 I'm like, well, that's just not true.

00:37:38.800 If he was saying,

00:37:39.540 well, we're effectively subsidizing Canada's defense

00:37:42.100 or Europe's defense, he'd be bang on.

00:37:45.240 And he talks about that sometimes,

00:37:46.460 but then he uses the word subsidy

00:37:48.480 in ways that are not correct.

00:37:50.300 um and he says that you know canada has tariffs against a bunch of all you know so much of our

00:37:55.840 stuff it's actually not much but then eventually he'll say something that is correct like about

00:38:00.900 dairy and then you know uh the cbc's headline here was hilarious it was you know trump alleges

00:38:07.800 canada has tariffs on american dairy that's not an allegation that's that's been proven in court

00:38:14.200 and convicted and one of the first times he was right right off the bat we have a 250 percent

00:38:18.920 tariff on american dairy uh and eggs and things like that coming uh in into uh into canada we

00:38:25.080 have it against virtually every country that wants to bring something here that would

00:38:28.600 at all danger the interests of the of the milk cartel um

00:38:34.680 i don't know uh what the hell is his objective what is he trying to achieve

00:38:40.840 is it to collapse the canadian economy to annex it is it is it just to bring industry back i

00:38:45.400 I mean, we're close because you can follow the phrase.

00:38:47.080 Coming to a guess would be what Nigel's saying is bringing industry in, but then

00:38:50.080 which industries has Canada taken from the United States? I mean, our auto manufacturing sector has

00:38:55.900 actually been pretty much getting smaller as well. We haven't, certainly haven't stolen it from the

00:39:00.920 USA, so I'm not sure what he's going to grab from us. I mean, most of, most of our dealings are

00:39:06.140 predominantly resource-based, whether it's minerals or energy or forestry. And we have our trade

00:39:13.640 tiffs now and then but the bottom line is those resources all reside here he's never going to be

00:39:18.920 able to take them back uh they have to be extracted and produced and sit down there

00:39:23.760 so it's the yeah i'm getting more gray hair all the time i i wish i could wrap my head around just

00:39:29.820 to try and see i mean whether it doesn't matter if it's a reasonable or unreasonable demand we

00:39:33.780 just gotta figure out what the heck the demand is and as nigel said yes the the art of the deal 0.64

00:39:38.260 talks about that's his strategy go in there like a bull in a china shop and kind of get everybody

00:39:41.960 on their heels and then but i mean we've been at this for months now and he's not come anywhere

00:39:47.080 close to the point of a coherent plan yet how much longer can we take the the pre-negotiation

00:39:53.220 slapping you haven't yet suffered any pain that paris are only now really starting to well if you

00:39:59.740 had investments you did and shared a very minimum this is going to very significantly hurt long-term

00:40:07.140 investment the canadian economy right now no one's going to want to invest here if under these

00:40:11.860 circumstances nobody waits that's part of this bloody mess first we have uh justin truder makes

00:40:18.200 it so that nobody wants to invest in counter and now mr trump picks up the uh the torch that he's

00:40:23.840 dropped it's a hell of a one-two punch yes okay all right uh let's move on to our parting shots

00:40:29.440 let's start with uh you nagel yeah well actually you just were coming close to it there when you 0.98

00:40:33.940 were talking about the uh the canadian tariffs you know and you listen to your your own leaders

00:40:41.220 talking about the need to protect Canada and its economy and so on and all that.

00:40:45.260 And then you go on the web and say, well, just exactly what is the tariff

00:40:49.700 on U.S. dairy products?

00:40:53.060 And you find, as you said, it's actually 242% was the figure I came up with,

00:40:57.300 but, you know, 250% is a nice brown number.

00:41:01.020 So what the hell are we doing here?

00:41:02.220 We're fighting for the right to pay more for butter, cheese, and milk. 0.53

00:41:08.160 Good for us.

00:41:08.800 brilliant strategy canada cory well yeah supply management's been a pet thing for us for quite

00:41:15.780 some time but uh i just want to remind everybody of a label promise in the middle of the canada

00:41:21.400 when when we're how vulnerable we are and the discussions are going on the polls came out

00:41:25.360 even the majority of quebecers want to see a pipeline to the east coast but team canada's

00:41:32.320 still muted on it because they're terrified of the quebec leadership who keeps saying there's

00:41:36.280 no social license for this infrastructure to get to the coast so if we're gonna get serious

00:41:41.580 we got to keep reminding people i mean among all the issues don't let that one fall by the wayside

00:41:45.780 quebec's got to be put in its place they're either part of the team or they're not well

00:41:49.760 we could have longer discussions on that okay uh i want to draw attention to uh video i think it was

00:41:56.880 uh yesterday or the day before from hazard a levant on the rebel uh he raises some very

00:42:02.080 interesting questions about

00:42:03.860 Mark Carney's win

00:42:05.440 I think it's indisputable that he would have

00:42:08.200 won, but he raises some weird questions

00:42:10.220 about the margin

00:42:11.080 you know, there's 338 constituencies

00:42:14.340 across Canada, and he won

00:42:16.440 85

00:42:17.560 86%

00:42:20.100 within

00:42:21.420 2 or 3% of that

00:42:23.800 in every single one, he had no weak

00:42:26.100 writings, he had no strong writings, they were all

00:42:28.000 just him, including

00:42:30.040 in Chrystia Freeland's own constituency,

00:42:33.000 where if we are to take

00:42:35.700 the liberal leadership results

00:42:38.240 at face value,

00:42:41.200 she could only find 180 people

00:42:43.440 in her own constituency

00:42:44.740 of more than 100,000 people

00:42:46.080 to vote for her.

00:42:47.220 I mean, between friends and family alone,

00:42:50.100 a place where she's lived

00:42:51.040 most of her life,

00:42:52.000 worked most of her life,

00:42:53.080 where she's been finance minister,

00:42:55.980 deputy prime minister,

00:42:57.080 foreign affairs minister,

00:42:58.020 for nearly 10 years now,

00:43:01.740 it beggars belief that she could only find 180 people

00:43:06.680 in her own constituency.

00:43:11.060 I'm not saying it's aliens,

00:43:13.360 but it might be aliens.

00:43:15.620 I don't know.

00:43:16.000 It raises some questions about what went on

00:43:18.180 with the liberal leadership there,

00:43:19.400 considering more than half the people registered to vote

00:43:23.060 didn't end up having ballots.

00:43:24.900 The turnout was pretty brutal, too.

00:43:27.420 Yeah.

00:43:28.240 It sounds as if Derek is saying there may be corruption in the Liberal Party.

00:43:31.920 I didn't say that.

00:43:33.120 I'm not saying it's aliens.

00:43:36.440 All right, gentlemen.

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Trudeau is Dead. Long Live the Carney.

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