Western Standard - Trudeau Liberals in chaos over energy, climate change policies

00:00:00.000 Good evening, Western Standard viewers, and welcome to Hannaford, a weekly politics show

00:00:22.340 of the Western Standard. With me today is one-time Liberal MP Dan McTeague. Now he is

00:00:29.940 the President of the Canadians for Affordable Energy. And we're going to be talking about

00:00:37.480 the plans of the Liberal government to make us net zero by 2035. I think it can't be done.

00:00:45.040 I'm going to ask Mr. McTeague whether he thinks it can be done. We're going to have some fun

00:00:49.460 with us. Welcome to the show, Dan. Great to be here, Nigel. Thanks for having me. It's an honor

00:00:54.620 to be here at the Western Standard and Hannaford show. Hopefully, we'll do more of this down the

00:00:59.340 road. Well, Dan, it's an honor to have you too. I don't think everybody would necessarily know

00:01:04.500 that for 18 years, you were a member of parliament. You were actually a liberal member of parliament.

00:01:09.580 And I have to ask you, before we even get into this, is this the liberal party you knew?

00:01:15.960 Not at all. It's completely foreign to anybody who spent time with the Liberal Party. And by the way, my lineage to the party goes back to 1974. When I was a 12 year old, I was licking envelopes for the Honorable Hugh Faulkner, the real environment minister back in the day.

00:01:31.640 I worked again for Paul Cosgrove in 1978 and 1980, again in 1984, and ran in 1993 and was successful after running campaigns for several other liberals.

00:01:45.220 So my tenure in the party is extraordinarily deep, and I can say with absolute certainty this is not the same liberal party, balanced, pragmatic party at the center that try to straddle issues and try to find consensus, a common purpose.

00:02:01.640 in its policies it is very much a left-wing construct and i would classify it as more of a

00:02:07.080 a left-wing branch of the ndp than it is of course the liberal party that i knew and that so many of

00:02:12.200 us have come to know as the pragmatic party of the center so uh no not at all and i'm not

00:02:16.840 afraid to say so and to dispute its legitimacy as the liberal party dan that that kind of confirms

00:02:24.760 the suspicions that a lot of us have had out west for quite a long time i'm i'm glad to see that it's

00:02:30.280 penetrating in the east as well but anyway one of the things that this this progressive liberal

00:02:37.440 party has been trying to do is to take us to a net zero carbon emissions by 2035 and one of the

00:02:46.000 ways they mean to do that is to switch us all over to driving electric vehicles by that time

00:02:51.900 what a lot of people don't realize is that they are phasing that in early and that as soon as

00:02:58.940 and I need to consult my notes here, in less than 18 months, by law,

00:03:05.360 one-fifth of all new passenger cars sold in Canada have to be electric,

00:03:11.180 and I think by 2030, which is only, you know, this could be your next car,

00:03:17.220 and by 2030, it has to be up to 60%.

00:03:20.400 Now, if we're going to have that many electric cars on the road,

00:03:23.900 where is the power coming from?

00:03:25.520 Because at the same time they're doing this, they're bringing, you know, new population into Canada.

00:03:30.960 Everybody who comes in is going to want to turn on the lights, cook their meals.

00:03:35.260 We need a huge amount of electricity.

00:03:38.540 And yet I don't see any new construction of baseload generation.

00:03:44.400 Yes, there's all kinds of solar panels.

00:03:46.140 There's all kinds of things that only work when the wind blows.

00:03:49.380 But I don't see the baseline generation coming. 0.99

00:03:52.300 So this looks like absolute chaos of objectives to me. 0.63

00:03:55.900 How does it look to you?

00:03:57.400 It looks like bad central planning, and we've never seen that work anywhere in the world,

00:04:01.480 even under its previous iterations under communism in Russia or in China.

00:04:06.440 Look, the reality is that we don't have the power needed to meet that objective,

00:04:10.300 assuming that plan works.

00:04:12.040 The fact is these things are out of reach for most people, most Canadians.

00:04:15.280 And most Canadians, whether you are here in Ontario or in Western Canada or in the East,

00:04:19.220 Our climate simply does not permit this kind of vehicle to be taken up with any great zeal.

00:04:25.080 Forget the cost aside.

00:04:26.540 So for, you know, planners, central planners working the bureaucracy in Ottawa, once former activists for various organizations, you know, scaling the CN Tower or, you know, Ralph Klein's house.

00:04:40.120 The reality is that these people should not be in a position of advocating any type of timeline because they can't possibly meet it.

00:04:46.300 And by any realistic measure, which, of course, demonstrates the extent to which this Liberal Party has become bereft of reality and, as I said earlier, pragmatism, they're imposing ridiculous goals that cannot possibly be met.

00:05:00.000 In fact, this morning, even the parliamentary budget officer said, not only are you not going to reach those goals, but right now for most Canadians to reach that goal of 60%, as you mentioned in 2030, you know, you're going to have to ensure that the price of electric vehicle drops 31%.

00:05:16.360 That isn't going to happen, not without the massive subsidies it takes to build, not without the massive subsidies it takes to create infrastructure, not without the massive subsidies to incent people to actually drive these things.

00:05:27.280 The reality is that even if they were to get them, sell them as used, they're not worth it.

00:05:31.380 And we well know now that most common sense manufacturers globally, auto manufacturers, are walking away from this in droves.

00:05:38.940 Nigel, I live no more than three kilometers away from the Ford plant here in Oakville.

00:05:42.740 This was a billion bucks given to that company, federal and provincial money.

00:05:46.000 They've walked away from it.

00:05:46.960 They threw out 2,700 workers, said they're going to bring in the EV.

00:05:50.620 Now they've decided not to do it.

00:05:51.720 Instead, they're bringing in what people really want, the F-250 super duty.

00:05:55.220 And that's going to start in 2026, not EVs.

00:05:58.100 This reality, I think, is now starting to shower liberals and those out there who believe in their own press releases that somehow they can make these things happen with massive amounts of borrowed money and without infrastructure to support, as you mentioned, not just infrastructure to produce energy, but also to distribute that.

00:06:15.480 Who's going to build and get the distribution boxes?

00:06:17.780 What kind of mining are we going to need to achieve those goals?

00:06:20.100 The reality is it's not practical. And it's the kind of stuff of, you know, of fantasy that I think magic and make believe is no way to conduct public policy. And that's one of the reasons I believe the federal Liberal Party and its planners are doomed in the next 12 months. And there will be a replacement in government where common sense once again remains the stead in Canada.

00:06:41.440 Well, that point you made actually about the secondary distribution system, it's not just the big overhead lines that take power lines that take the power.

00:06:51.100 It's also the stuff on the ground that takes the power from the transformer into your own house.

00:06:57.060 The little community I live in is a transformer serving 40 homes.

00:07:00.540 The first guy who wants to plug in an electric vehicle is going to be all right.

00:07:04.120 Probably the second one, too.

00:07:05.700 The third one, you know, it's going to affect people's freezers.

00:07:08.560 So I have real, you know, that's not, he's not going to be a popular guy.

00:07:13.080 So, but look, this, if I'm not an expert in this, you are.

00:07:19.060 If between us, however, we can see that this is an impossible dream,

00:07:24.280 is it the case that they don't see this in central government or that they see it

00:07:31.120 and just don't know what else to do so blindly barrel on?

00:07:34.740 I think it's a lack of, you know, it's a question of look, don't look before you leap. And they've done that. They've done so because in the United States, the Biden administration now on its way out, at least Biden, from what I can see, made a decision to invest trillions of dollars in terms of the Inflation Recovery Act, Reduction Act.

00:07:53.660 And what that basically meant was the federal Canadian government would have to, with the provincial government hopping on board and other governments across the country,

00:08:02.180 would use this as an opportunity to, as it were, pillage the finances of this country in order to achieve goals that are simply impossible to meet.

00:08:12.540 Look, spending $52 billion or committing that kind of money to get $19 billion from investments from automotive manufacturers isn't going to work.

00:08:22.600 And it's not a very good, you know, it's not a very good way of conducting public policy.

00:08:26.480 If, in fact, you're incenting people two to one for every dollar they're investing, you're giving them back, too.

00:08:31.280 I don't know whose math or what financial creative juices go into the minds of those who have made this idea, but it's an impossible demand.

00:08:39.860 And it's based really on what I think is a very undefined, I would almost say fraudulent discussion about what net zero really is.

00:08:48.700 If you're saying that carbon is bad for the world, when in fact it's not a pollution, it's in fact the giver of life, it provides the greening and the quality of our life, if you're saying that you want to get rid of that and at the same time bankrupt nations and force people into vehicles and to do things that they can't do and to somehow stunt growth and development, I mean, that's a recipe for disaster.

00:09:12.520 And those who are advocating are absolutely mad and insane and have no business in public policy, nor should they be anywhere near advocating changes that I think are leading everyone to the conclusion this country is going in a very wrong direction.

00:09:25.080 Okay, now, you mentioned a moment ago that you reminded us that there's an election coming up in next year,

00:09:32.800 and there could be a change of government.

00:09:35.400 Now, one of the things that we know about big business is that once they get committed to a certain course of action,

00:09:41.880 it's like the oil tanker analogy, it takes a lot to turn it around.

00:09:46.500 and can you conceive of a situation in which big business is pleased enough to see a different

00:09:56.460 government with better ideas but doesn't even move the wheel doesn't even try to turn because

00:10:02.580 they are afraid that the investments that they make today or next year four years later would

00:10:08.880 be at risk because of a return of whether it's the liberals or the NDP or somebody else altogether

00:10:14.300 who has the same kinds of destructive ideas that you have just characterized as a disaster.

00:10:21.720 Can't you rely on something new if there's a change of government?

00:10:25.560 I think manufacturers are already signaling that they're walking away from this.

00:10:28.520 I mean, Ford Motor Company is no small company.

00:10:31.760 It has been a very significant, has a great, proud tradition.

00:10:36.640 It's privately held.

00:10:37.680 It's never asked government for loans or bailouts because they've gone bankrupt not once but twice,

00:10:42.500 as Stellantis which is formerly Chrysler or as say GM has done these are companies that are with

00:10:48.920 along with Mercedes Toyota the company I worked for for several years before being elected as

00:10:53.320 a member of parliament in public relations said no listen we think that the best penetration would

00:10:58.260 be 30 percent EV market that's it we are not going in that direction we're going to try to

00:11:03.440 provide other solutions based around fossil fuels maybe even a bit of hydrogen who knows

00:11:07.860 but they're not going to put their eggs in one basket Ford has said pretty much the same thing

00:11:12.140 Unless they can produce a vehicle that makes money from the get-go, the moment that car drives off the lot with a new buyer, they're not going to invest in EVs no matter how many inducements the federal governments on both sides of the border are prepared to make.

00:11:26.060 So I think it's become a fool's errand for those who did not look before they left, basically jumped into this without taking into consideration the long-term impacts.

00:11:35.220 And that's not just the federal government. The provincial government in my province, for instance, has made similar silly commitments in order to try to prevent and to uphold what has been the strength of our economy, the automotive sector, while completely sacrificing, you know, the reality of consumers not being able to make ends meet and recognizing that the world does, in fact, want and will continue to need internal combustion engines as they meet a certain criteria that cannot be met by, you know, driving around electric toasters or whatever kind of widget.

00:12:05.220 want to call it i mean it's not practical there's a reason why 100 years ago society walked away

00:12:10.100 from the ev and it did so because it was not the kind of thing that one could commonly use day in

00:12:15.940 day out batteries are not like internal combustion engines they do not have the density they do not

00:12:20.500 have the fight the the energy properties at the same time they're also extremely extraordinarily

00:12:25.860 you know cost efficient relative to any other alternative methods and so unless someone has

00:12:30.660 you know deep pockets and money that grows off trees i know that's the ndp and the current liberal

00:12:34.980 left ideology. But I think reality is starting to hit our politicians and planners right between

00:12:40.800 the eyes and to recognize that they got this thing awfully wrong. I wonder if that reality really is

00:12:47.460 hitting them between the eyes. I'm sure many of them have realized this, but the ideologues at

00:12:52.640 the top, and I guess Mr. Gilboa would be one. Mr. Gilboa, who, by the way, famously within the last

00:12:57.260 year, said that they weren't going to issue more money for road construction, as though the need

00:13:03.400 for roads was going to disappear. I wonder if people who think as he does would be so distressed

00:13:10.820 if there were less cars on the road and people didn't travel so far. Do you have any suspicion

00:13:16.840 that there may be a strand of that thinking in their decisions? Very much so. There is an attempt

00:13:22.140 to try to clamp down on our freedoms. These are bad news bears. These are Debbie Downers who do

00:13:27.460 not like the fact the population has been very successful. Canada has been very wealthy, driven

00:13:31.660 by its economic diversity, its energy diversity.

00:13:37.000 Look, my province runs on electricity

00:13:38.580 through power plants, through nuclear power plants.

00:13:42.780 Your province, through fossil fuels, energy.

00:13:45.220 And thank goodness, because I can tell you,

00:13:47.420 between the two of them, we have not only cheap energy,

00:13:49.380 we have the revenues to let governments know

00:13:52.100 that they can sustain this kind of social programs

00:13:54.280 that Canadians take for granted in many cases,

00:13:57.740 but cannot do so when we consider that,

00:13:59.980 clamping down on the very things that make our country attractive and lucrative.

00:14:04.280 When you deny the world the things that Canada has,

00:14:07.260 it's only Canadians who wind up carrying the cost of this.

00:14:09.640 And so I think there's a real pushback to the fanatics and the activists

00:14:13.700 who've been promoting their wares.

00:14:16.740 By the way, grifting has been another problem.

00:14:18.840 These are organizations that go out and tell us as to how they think

00:14:22.640 we should operate as a society,

00:14:25.240 but are the first ones to put their hands out

00:14:27.120 to receive tens of millions, if not billions of dollars in charity monies or direct contributions

00:14:34.740 by the federal, provincial, and municipal governments.

00:14:37.040 That money doesn't grow off trees.

00:14:38.760 It comes, ironically, from the oil and gas sector, which produces about $25 billion net

00:14:42.920 dollars every year for the federal, provincial, and municipal government.

00:14:45.760 So the irony isn't lost.

00:14:47.360 It may not be lost on Western Canadians, but it's now becoming a growing reality in the

00:14:51.240 eastern part of this country, especially in Ontario here, where people have had enough.

00:14:54.460 They're fed up. And like Maritime Canada, where we saw an increase in carbon taxes last summer,

00:15:00.280 it coincided, ironically, with the turn in the electoral fortunes of Mr. Polyev against Mr. Trudeau and his sidekick, Mr. Singh.

00:15:09.740 I want you to just do a little informed speculation here, Dan.

00:15:14.600 If the government were in a position, let's just say they won the next election.

00:15:21.280 So we had another four years of Mr. Trudeau, Mr. Gilboa, and all who sail in them.

00:15:27.300 And they are sitting there with this dilemma that in order for their grand plans to put more electric cars on the road to be realized,

00:15:40.480 They're going to let Chinese imports in and basically kill Ford, Stellantis, and General Motors in Ontario.

00:15:51.960 Is that a decision that they would make? 1.00

00:15:54.700 Well, I think it's a reality that they're going to have to confront because that's exactly what's happened.

00:15:58.660 Look, China made a move 15, 18 years ago to move towards electric vehicles because it could not penetrate or break through the iron wall of North American and European internal combustion engines.

00:16:08.860 not only to make them well they made them efficiently uh they're completely recyclable

00:16:13.740 they're cost effective and they're the way of the future uh as long as we're prepared to continue

00:16:19.260 to recognize that we need energy to uh to you know to grow our economies then that could be 0.87

00:16:24.700 met but china has no interest in going that road because they know that that road would take them 0.94

00:16:28.940 to a you know a certain dead end and now they have vehicles that they can't sell in their own country 0.95

00:16:33.580 so they want to dump them on the rest of the world i mean if we want these prices to come down we're 1.00

00:16:38.140 We're going to have to allow the Chinese to, you know, sell, you know, Jili. 1.00

00:16:41.240 They're going to have to sell their BYDs and their other, even their Teslas in order to bring these prices back to a level where I think people can find them as competitive as an alternative. 1.00

00:16:52.100 That's not going to happen.

00:16:53.200 The prime minister made it very clear, as did the United States.

00:16:56.100 The answer is no.

00:16:57.300 Tariffs are 100%.

00:16:58.460 You know, Trudeau had to make a decision.

00:17:00.680 Does he obey China or does he obey the United States?

00:17:03.160 and given all the money that he's wasted building an infrastructure and industry that will not work

00:17:08.180 and that these are simply dogs that will not hunt Canadians do not want electric vehicles

00:17:13.160 yeah you got 10-15% of there who are always going to be trendy and willing to try anything

00:17:17.160 provided they get some grift and some money but when it comes to the expense of an economy that

00:17:21.540 is deteriorating there's no way under the sun any Canadian in their right mind will want to buy one

00:17:25.800 of those things recognizing they don't live in California or Southern California they live in

00:17:30.080 cold canada i don't need to say that to people in alberta but increasingly here in ontario anywhere

00:17:34.340 north of toronto is cold yes well and that of course is the the fear here in alberta that

00:17:41.140 if you have if 10 of your new vehicle fleet has to be electric then there's going to be a lot of

00:17:49.320 competition for the 90 because for all the reasons you've just articulated nobody's going to want the

00:17:55.460 10 except those people who kind of live two miles from their office and you know you could do it

00:17:59.920 a golf cart i guess but uh for most people that's not the option you're living in i don't know grand

00:18:07.040 prairie or a coom or something like that you've got 40 miles to go from where you live to where

00:18:13.760 you work and it's 30 below and your little electric car even if it keeps running for

00:18:20.480 that length of time you're going to be frozen like an icicle when you get there so they're

00:18:23.920 not going to want to buy the ev but for every nine people there's got to be one and then in 20

00:18:32.000 30 for it it's it's 60 40. so what's this going to you were in the car business what's this going to

00:18:39.680 do to the price of new cars or second-hand cars remain high price of used vehicles be nonsense

00:18:46.960 we know batteries don't last as long as internal combustion engines look i have a vehicle outside

00:18:50.880 a 2003 chevy uh silverado 5.3 liter engine it's going to go to 600 700 000 kilometers as long as

00:18:58.400 they keep the oil changed every uh five six thousand kilometers the same cannot be said for

00:19:02.880 your batteries and it depends really if we're talking the lithium battery by the way an invention

00:19:07.840 that came from the oil sector itself exxon developed that technology many many generations

00:19:12.800 ago but if anybody believes that that's the way we're going to see our future forget it

00:19:17.040 your mining, your agriculture, your heavy lifting, your airlines, your trains, nothing is going to,

00:19:23.900 they might run a hybrid, but they're certainly not going to run straight EV. And to suggest,

00:19:28.520 as some have, that we have the infrastructure necessary to accommodate that massive increase

00:19:34.040 is delusional beyond comprehension. Those who are suggesting this aren't just dreamers. These

00:19:40.400 people are insane, and we ought not to be following them. If anything, I think the next 0.98

00:19:44.580 government is going to have to spend four years sifting through the debris and the damage

00:19:47.880 of what is left by a government that had no option but to simply say we're going to spend

00:19:53.240 public money we're going to indebt the nation to the point that it becomes apparent I think to

00:19:58.800 everyone except for our bond rating agencies who should be downgrading Canada's credit I'm not

00:20:03.240 saying that because I want that to happen I just think that they're so woke they don't recognize

00:20:07.780 you cannot use the CPP to leverage the amount of debt this country has has has has incurred

00:20:14.340 I say that as a Liberal member of Parliament because we had to fight that massive debt.

00:20:18.260 We did a lot of very unpopular things to get that debt under control.

00:20:21.480 And if people think this is a joke, just wait until it only takes one credit agency to come out and say Canada's credit rating is not worthy.

00:20:29.360 It cannot support itself.

00:20:30.740 We better be selling a hell of a lot more oil and natural gas in order for this country to pay off the massive debts that has incurred in this flight of fantasy,

00:20:38.360 believing that we could hopefully go down this road of ESG, you know, net zero, the great reset,

00:20:44.920 and bring about this idea that everybody should be driving, you know, electric toasters. Sorry,

00:20:50.220 electric vehicles. It's the same thing. Let me ask you this. We're sort of coming to the end of

00:20:59.260 our time. But I would put it to you, Dan, that if you care about freedom, and you said you did

00:21:07.500 about five minutes ago, you talked about the damage to personal freedoms. I would say the

00:21:13.620 ability to jump in your car and go wherever you want without any permission from anybody

00:21:20.600 is one of the foundational definitions of freedom. And it's perhaps a lot more useful than a vote

00:21:29.920 in the sense that it's something you do every day. What do you think of that as a definition

00:21:36.620 of freedom and secondly it is one of the pleasant things we do at the weekends we jump in the car

00:21:43.900 and we go somewhere we go to the mountains we go skiing we go for a drive around the lakes we go

00:21:50.220 for a you know we go to visit a friend who lives 100 miles away well transportation we will still

00:21:57.500 be able to do that yeah i think nigel i think transportation is an integral part of our lives

00:22:03.340 in our society not just to connect with each other but also to have that freedom to move around

00:22:08.540 the government has made no secret of the fact the federal government that it wants 15-minute cities

00:22:12.620 that it does want to control how much you drive how much you eat what you eat there's a whole

00:22:16.700 litany of things that go into this rubric of net zero the fact as i mentioned earlier these are

00:22:21.980 real depressing people who believe that society you know has should not advance should not grow

00:22:27.580 and should have somehow be constrained because uh we're doing inordinate damage to the to the

00:22:32.860 environment the reality is far different than that and i think we're doing we're far more

00:22:37.900 environmentally responsible that's a word i don't hear a lot of liberals talk about these days this

00:22:41.740 liberal government they only want to talk about co2 and carbon they don't want to talk about

00:22:45.980 other environmental issues remediation uh what's needed to uh to to resolve to improve our air

00:22:51.580 quality or the health of canadians the quality of our lakes our rivers instead it gives permits to

00:22:57.100 cities like montreal to go dump sewage into the uh into the great lakes and into the st lawrence

00:23:02.300 river look i think they've got it all backwards there isn't a single thing that these people have

00:23:07.340 touched they have the minus touch in reverse everything they've touched has turned to garbage

00:23:11.980 and i think that's the problem is that it's going to take a long time to repair and get these things

00:23:15.900 back up and running but make no mistake limiting your ability to exercise a quality of life that

00:23:21.980 is enviable around the world is something they want to go after and it's the result of that that

00:23:26.060 that I think this Liberal government and its coalition friends in the NDP

00:23:30.560 are doomed for political annihilation in the not-too-distant future.

00:23:34.500 Okay. Very last question, Dan.

00:23:36.900 What is the mission of Canadians for Affordable Energy?

00:23:40.100 Well, what we're doing right now, Nigel,

00:23:41.900 to discuss and have a sober discussion about policies

00:23:45.160 that this government has advocated and ideas around this notion

00:23:48.180 that we can somehow get rid of our energy prowess

00:23:50.780 and that we can somehow abandon the very things

00:23:53.660 that have made Canada unique, attractive, and affordable, and affordability above all.

00:23:59.320 You know, when I left GasBuddy five, six years ago to take on this role from my friend John

00:24:05.900 Williams, I wanted to make sure that what we were saying as would happen did in fact

00:24:10.820 take place.

00:24:11.800 Everything that we've talked about, not just with EVs, but this net zero fantasy that we

00:24:17.140 are on has now come to be true.

00:24:19.020 And for that reason, it is policymakers who have had an uneven hand in determining and shaping what is a very dark future for most Canadians.

00:24:26.420 It's not Canadian. It's certainly not the dream that many Canadians had hoped for.

00:24:30.580 And I want to be, you know, like everyone else, provide an aspirational future that resets this country,

00:24:37.060 puts it back on the right track and gives the next generation an opportunity to benefit from the vast menu of energy options this country has,

00:24:45.600 which, by and large, are world-class, very, very much leading, very environmentally conscious,

00:24:50.860 but at the same time taking into consideration what is important to most people, affordable energy.

00:24:56.040 Well, Godspeed on your mission, Dan.

00:24:59.140 Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Latigue, President of Canadians for Affordable Energy.

00:25:04.240 Thank you very much, Dan, for joining us.

00:25:06.520 For The Western Standard, I'm Nigel Hannaford.

00:25:09.520 Good night.

00:25:09.920 Thank you.

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00:26:02.440 see Smith, Manning, Harper, all in one spot, one night, be sure to get there.

Western Standard - September 03, 2024

Trudeau Liberals in chaos over energy, climate change policies

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