Western Standard - Uncensored： Mandatory Vaccination

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00:02:00.000 Good evening and welcome to Uncensored, a political panel with a punch where we look

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00:02:27.120 And tonight we've got lots to discuss.

00:02:28.540 our panelists as usual uh rob anderson and danielle smith and we'll start with rob practicing

00:02:34.460 uh litigator author of the free alberta strategy and former wild rose mla rob thanks for joining

00:02:39.900 us tonight good to be with you also with us danielle smith who is the president of the

00:02:45.340 executive director pardon me danielle alberta enterprise group a former leader of the wild

00:02:49.500 rose party and a proud strong conservative voice for all of us here in alberta uh de always good

00:02:55.020 to see you my pleasure we've got lots to talk about as i mentioned uh we we said uh during our

00:03:01.260 last show that we're going to talk about vaccine passports and mandates and freedoms and uh whether

00:03:06.780 the government has gone too far we're going to pose those questions to you before we do that

00:03:12.220 though we have to talk about a couple of the big headlines that frankly everybody is talking about

00:03:16.460 first being the municipal election which just passed us calgary has a new mayor it is joti

00:03:21.740 Gonduk, one of Jody's, if not one of her first, her very first interview, she said one of her

00:03:27.520 first challenges will be to deal with a climate emergency. Danielle, I don't recall hearing that

00:03:33.820 anywhere out on the campaign trail. I'm sure if you combed through her documents, her campaign

00:03:38.940 platform, you probably would have seen that somewhere, but she didn't lead with it from 1.00

00:03:43.500 anything I saw. I saw her give a few interviews, and I think it would have made a pretty big

00:03:47.760 headline. I think what got her into trouble is the way she spoke made it sound like she expected

00:03:53.640 Calgarians to move past oil and gas. And I want to give her the benefit of the doubt because back in

00:03:59.660 2018, she did a one-minute endorsement of oil and gas for the Canada Action when they were going

00:04:07.340 across the country trying to get politicians to speak in favor of our energy sector. And she did 0.99

00:04:12.260 a pretty good job. She talked about how important it was to support an industry that is innovative

00:04:16.400 and forward-looking and we're the best in the world. And so I kind of like Jodi Gondek from

00:04:21.160 2018. And if she could go back to those kinds of talking points, I think she'll end up getting

00:04:25.280 herself in less trouble. But I must tell you my emails and phone calls ringing off the hook from

00:04:30.920 energy industry leaders who did not appreciate getting sucker punched like that. And it seemed

00:04:37.000 to come out of the blue. That's just it, Rob. If you're looking to revitalize downtown Calgary,

00:04:41.340 you probably don't take a headshot to its main industry and the people that are actually occupying

00:04:47.640 the spaces in the office towers in downtown Calgary. What did you make of what Jody Gondak

00:04:53.520 had to say? And can we expect more of this in the next four years? Well, the disappointing thing is,

00:05:00.160 you know, Mayor Gondak, presumably she does visit downtown Calgary from time to time, and she might

00:05:07.620 I have noticed the lease signs and the empty buildings, half empty buildings, that represents tens of thousands and maybe hundreds of thousands of jobs in Alberta that have been lost due to politicians' policies that frankly sound a lot like the words of Mayor Gondacht on this issue.

00:05:32.500 And so it was bizarre. Calgary is a world-class energy city, energy-based city, famous for its, obviously, for its role in the oil and gas industry.

00:05:47.840 um there's amazing work being done here on the environmental side of that industry as well

00:05:54.280 and for her to come out and essentially sound like another eastern canadian you know ngo greenpeace 0.85

00:06:02.360 wannabe it just it raised my eyebrows for sure and i just uh i hope this is not a sign of things to

00:06:11.420 come rob did you hear what uh former saskatchewan premier brad wall had to say i don't want to put

00:06:16.540 on the spot, but effectively he said, well, if you know what he said, effectively, maybe Calgary

00:06:21.840 companies should be looking elsewhere for greener pastures that are more friendly to oil and gas. I

00:06:26.300 mean, that didn't take very long for that reaction. No, and if I'm Brad Wall and my province

00:06:33.380 is Saskatchewan, I would be saying the same thing. I mean, you know, politicians in this country and

00:06:40.840 in this province to a lesser extent, but obviously clearly at City Hall, have to understand that when

00:06:46.260 businesses are looking to invest their capital somewhere and employ people somewhere, it's going

00:06:52.800 to be in a jurisdiction and in a city that makes it attractive for their industry to be profitable

00:06:59.620 and to function and to not be interfered with unduly. And so when you hear these things from

00:07:04.720 the Calgary mayor, if you're an oil and gas executive, that's going to give you a pause and

00:07:10.720 say, maybe we should think about Regina. Maybe we should relocate to Texas or somewhere else.

00:07:18.520 And again, it's a misstep. She shouldn't have done it. It's just something you would expect

00:07:24.840 to hear from Justin Trudeau or Mr. Singh out in Ottawa. You wouldn't expect that from the

00:07:32.380 Calgary mayor. Not even Nenshi would say something so ignorant. I don't want to beleaguer a point, 0.99

00:07:38.680 but I guess I am because I'm sticking with it for a second.

00:07:41.240 Danielle, I want to let you conclude on this subject.

00:07:44.120 By all accounts, Jodi Gondek is a very bright woman.

00:07:47.040 Agree with her or not, she ran a really good campaign

00:07:49.220 and is well-versed in all of the issues,

00:07:51.780 which makes you wonder if a statement like this

00:07:54.420 was actually planned in one of her first interviews

00:07:57.040 or it was an accident.

00:07:58.560 Now, I know you have no way of knowing the answer to that,

00:08:02.620 but you had to have been shocked to hear it.

00:08:07.420 It was shocking to hear it, which is why I think it must have been an error.

00:08:13.560 I have no doubt that the plan to hold a climate emergency debate is very much on her mind.

00:08:19.620 I don't think that's a misstep, but I think she could have framed it differently.

00:08:23.200 I mean, there is so much good happening in the sector.

00:08:25.800 This is the real problem, is that I feel like there is a massive disconnect between politicians

00:08:30.780 and the way they talk about the energy industry as if it's still stuck in the 1990s.

00:08:35.740 I have been on numerous calls, dozens and dozens of calls with dozens of CEOs. And the number one

00:08:42.060 issue they have in their mind is how they can reduce their future cost of CO2 by capturing it,

00:08:47.600 sequestering it, turning it into a feedstock, developing another line of business that will

00:08:52.440 allow them to offset their emissions, planting trees, partnering with the energy, with the

00:08:56.380 ranching sector so that they can sequester it in the soils. There is no one in the energy sector

00:09:01.180 who is not looking at some way of reaching net zero, some way of bringing in new innovation

00:09:06.440 and technology in order to be able to reach their targets. I just spoke with someone today,

00:09:10.880 for instance, new member of Alberta Enterprise Group called Prospectum. It's a drone technology

00:09:15.780 that can detect methane leaks from 150 meters away. I got the impression with her speaking the

00:09:21.640 way she did that she's not even really aware of all of the innovation. And I think everybody needs

00:09:26.340 to update their thinking of the energy sector because from what i have seen they have embraced

00:09:31.860 the challenge of a circular economy embrace the challenge of reducing greenhouse gas emissions

00:09:36.100 and they want to be the first to uh to get to net zero so i think that that's the real problem is

00:09:40.900 that when you have the mayor reinforcing old stereotypes about the industry it just continues

00:09:46.740 to chase away capital it doesn't doesn't even need to be chased that far away either when when you

00:09:51.300 you think about it, those businesses, they could headquarter in Rocky View County. It can be right

00:09:56.520 outside in one of the rural municipalities, which Calgary is constantly competing with if they can't

00:10:00.960 find a supportive mayor in Calgary. And that's a real danger. I think she's going to have to walk

00:10:07.020 that one back. Yep. Just want to add one snippet to what you just said. You mentioned about carbon

00:10:13.120 sequestration. You've got a company like Enhance Energy sequestering more than a million tons of

00:10:17.360 carbon a year at Clive Alberta at their operation, and the new mayor would be wise, frankly, to get

00:10:23.820 up to speed on some of these things, because as you say, we do have that technology operating in

00:10:28.260 Alberta, and it is making a big difference. Danielle, I'll stay with you to pick up the

00:10:31.760 next subject, and that is the equalization referendum. The vote, I don't think it's official

00:10:37.040 yet, but it looks like, or correct me if I'm wrong, it looks like Albertans have supported it,

00:10:42.120 although maybe not by the number we were hoping. What do you know at this point, and what do you

00:10:46.300 make of what we do know so we're not going to get the final results until tuesday and i'll look to

00:10:50.860 rob to see if he has seen any other more granular results but in calgary we saw 58 saying yes we

00:10:57.680 should remove equalization from the constitution and 42 opposed it got higher as you went into

00:11:03.860 some of the the smaller cities i think down in madison hat was the highest i've seen with 70

00:11:09.300 percent in favor maybe no surprise because drew barnes is down there and he was on the

00:11:12.980 the Alberta panel that went across the province asking for how we can get a fair deal. So he

00:11:18.320 probably had something to do with that higher result down there. We'll have to see what happens

00:11:21.940 in Edmonton. Although I'm inclined to believe that Edmonton is going to follow the rest of the

00:11:26.000 province as well, because Joe Ceci and Rachel Notley weren't very happy with the way the fiscal

00:11:31.320 stabilization program worked. And so I think they understand that there's some unfairness in the way

00:11:35.960 some of these transfer programs work. So I didn't feel like they were overwhelmingly campaigning

00:11:41.560 against it. And so I would expect it to be fairly close. But I think that there's a decisive

00:11:46.460 mandate for the premier coming out of this. And the question will be, what does he do with that

00:11:51.220 mandate? If he doesn't act on it, he delays on it, then I think we do lose a bit of momentum.

00:11:57.500 Go ahead, Rob, on the same subject. Well, you know, it passed.

00:12:06.220 That's why we got together in the first place, is we were worried it wasn't going to.

00:12:09.800 yeah um that that was my worry just because um you know the the premier had been missing in action

00:12:17.000 right uh because he was worried his unpopularity would affect the question and indeed i think it

00:12:22.440 did uh um i think it's going to pass with about 60 maybe a little bit higher after the rural

00:12:28.760 results are in but um you know uh this was kind of a i don't know how you picked the wrong answer

00:12:36.760 here. Equalization has been a bane of Alberta for decades and decades and decades. And if you're

00:12:44.200 on the right, you know, if you're conservative leaning and you're in your the way you want the

00:12:50.280 economy governed, you know, you're obviously going to be not happy about transferring 20 billion

00:12:59.120 dollars a year to Ottawa to buy votes in Quebec. But if you're on the left, and you believe in

00:13:05.000 in more government spending on social programs health care education etc etc you should be in

00:13:12.280 favor of ending the equalization program just as much so you can keep more resources in in alberta

00:13:19.160 for for those programs so you know we can all fight here in alberta about how the money is

00:13:24.600 going to be spent once it's not being sucked out uh but uh you know i'm glad it passed uh let's

00:13:32.760 move on and and actually uh and actually do something about it now we'll talk about uh ironic

00:13:39.640 timing uh rob you first uh premier quebec francois legault just announcing that his country's going

00:13:44.920 to ban oil and gas extraction um but they're happy to take the royalty reviews coming from alberta

00:13:50.440 have you heard of this most recent announcement and are you shocked at all by it uh no uh this is

00:13:58.600 uh the the playbook from quebec uh you know it always has been there they're just an anti uh

00:14:07.320 energy province they don't believe in in in the conventional oil and gas and and he plays that

00:14:13.560 tune to his electorate like a fiddle and and it seems to work for him he's quite a popular

00:14:19.160 premier there um but what it shows is there's a hostility there to even quebec natural gas and

00:14:27.320 oil and so forth and if there's hostility to producing their own resources in that sector

00:14:33.320 you can only imagine what the idea of uh having pipelines built across their province to uh

00:14:39.400 to transport that that same energy from alberta is going to be it's not going to be popular at all

00:14:45.320 and of course this is the problem with equalization if they did develop those resources

00:14:50.920 the their revenues would rise and their net take from the equalization fund would decrease

00:14:56.840 to the benefit mostly of Alberta, but why would they want to develop their resources when

00:15:04.120 if they just sit back and kind of maintain the status quo, they can live off the labors of

00:15:12.120 Alberta and virtue signal their way to whatever Nobel Prize they're seeking at the moment?

00:15:20.200 Well, it drips with irony. In fact, it's almost hypocrisy, Danielle, that you would accept the

00:15:26.440 amount of money that quebec accepts from alberta and um and frankly solely the very resource uh

00:15:32.760 that they're getting that money from um you must have been taken aback by the announcement today

00:15:36.760 or although like rog probably not surprised i loved it when you asked asked the question you

00:15:42.040 said in francois lagos country he made the decision to ban oil and freudian slip the shoe fits you

00:15:49.720 know what they kind of are acting like a separate country they they're not really uh there's no

00:15:55.320 esprit de corps here is there it's kind of every province for itself and that's not what canada's

00:15:59.880 supposed to be the whole reason of canada was to have a federal government that would make sure

00:16:04.360 that we were able to to freely have our goods and go across borders and quebec is clearly

00:16:11.960 violating that they began by banning uh or by canceling the project that would have been

00:16:18.040 in port saginay taking western canadian gas liquefying it at the port and then exporting

00:16:23.080 it to our friends in Europe who desperately need it. I mean, this is the bizarre part about all

00:16:27.960 of this, is that why would we want our friends and allies in Europe to be increasingly reliant

00:16:33.000 on Russia, which has a horrendous record when it comes to environments? They're still flaring gas.

00:16:39.640 They're actually the number one nation in the world to be flaring gas rather than trying to 0.92

00:16:43.640 find some way to capture it and make something useful out of it. And they also have no qualms

00:16:49.000 about using their power to squeeze other nations into submission on their political priorities.

00:16:57.480 We saw that in Ukraine. So why would we want our friends in Germany to be more reliant on that? Why 0.65

00:17:01.560 wouldn't we want to make sure that our friends and allies in Europe have the ability of a safer,

00:17:07.720 more secure, friendly, more green source of energy from Quebec? So that's a real problem.

00:17:14.680 And to Rob's point as well, I think when we're looking now at equalization, our premier absolutely now has the mandate to go to the table and say, if we're not going to eliminate equalization, then we're making some adjustments.

00:17:28.860 Quebec, you are more than happy to continue subsidizing electricity.

00:17:32.620 We will just mark it up to market and we will reduce equalization by the amount you've decided to leave on the table because you're not collecting it.

00:17:39.560 We know that you've got a hundred year supply of natural gas in the ground. So for the next hundred years, we will also discount the amount of your equalization by the amount of revenues you would have earned and the economic activity you would have earned by exploiting that resource.

00:17:53.260 So we can't continue to have these sort of actions where they make decisions that impair their own ability to generate revenues and then they expect the rest of the country to pick it up.

00:18:04.840 This is, I think that our Premier has a clear mandate to call that out, and I hope he does.

00:18:10.280 Yep, absolutely.

00:18:11.220 Listen, we're going to leave this discussion here for now because we've got a lot of other things to talk about tonight.

00:18:16.340 But I think it's safe to say that a yes vote at least enables the Premier to pull a few more levers

00:18:21.120 and hopefully represent Alberta and show the rest of the country that Alberta does indeed want some change with the equalization formula.

00:18:28.800 So we'll see what happens.

00:18:30.040 Thanks for both of your insight on that.

00:18:32.120 I want to talk about COVID tonight.

00:18:33.840 And, you know, I was thinking about how to set this up.

00:18:36.920 And frankly, I think to know where we're at, we need to know where we came from.

00:18:42.020 Before we talk about vaccine passports and vaccine mandates, this all started with flatten the curve.

00:18:48.820 I mean, Danielle, I'm going to task you with picking it up first.

00:18:52.680 Can you even walk us through how we got from where we started to where we are today before we talk about how we should be dealing with things?

00:19:01.640 There have been so many 180s, it's hard to remember what caused them. But the very first argument that we got was that we needed two weeks of total lockdown to flatten the curve. And I think there were a lot of people who thought, okay, well, it seems to make sense. You reduce the amount of contact you have with friends and family and loved ones and out in the public. And it should make a difference. It should allow you to reduce the spread of this virus. And it didn't.

00:19:30.620 so then it was okay well now you've got to wear masks initially that wasn't the case i mean

00:19:35.420 masks are used in in surgery uh to protect the doctor make sure that uh that the the place that

00:19:42.860 he's working on stays clean there's there's no evidence that it can stop tiny particles like

00:19:48.620 viruses and so but it became one of these memes that everybody will wear a mask and you'll be

00:19:53.500 safe okay so now all of a sudden masks and distancing became de rigueur i'm not quite sure

00:19:59.020 how it came to be the case that you could um that you could have different gathering limits and you

00:20:04.620 would be perfectly safe if you had 10 people gather indoors for certain types of functions

00:20:08.940 but all of a sudden it became more dangerous if you moved it to a person's private home

00:20:13.260 or why you could have certain gatherings of some size indoors and not the same size outdoors there

00:20:18.780 became a lot of mythology around this but the thing that i think bothers me the most is that

00:20:23.660 anyone who suggested a year ago when Leger and all of the other pollsters were asking the question

00:20:29.500 about mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports that there was a lot of concern raised by

00:20:35.580 libertarian groups at the time that that was going to happen and they were called out and

00:20:39.260 told they were conspiracy theorists and it would never occur and wham all of a sudden you're seen

00:20:46.220 to be anti-social if you think that having the government go back to its original promise not

00:20:50.860 to force vaccination and not to have passports you have to show your papers everywhere you go

00:20:56.540 somehow you're considered antisocial if you think that and that used to be the dominant view a year

00:21:01.020 ago so it feels to me like it's just been one whatever they say they aren't going to do that's

00:21:08.060 almost a guarantee that is going to be the next thing they will do that has me very alarmed because

00:21:13.820 we did see how draconian they got in new zealand and australia and i'm quite concerned as we go

00:21:19.900 into this fall respiratory virus season. We know we're going to see a surge, but they're forcing

00:21:25.980 healthcare workers to be vaccinated or go on leave. There may be as many as 20%, maybe 25%

00:21:31.580 of healthcare workers that are not going to be working at the same time as we have increased

00:21:37.100 pressure on our healthcare system. And as a result, we haven't seen an increase in the ICU capacity.

00:21:43.020 We don't have any confidence that they're going to come up with any other method of managing this.

00:21:47.820 So I'm quite worried about what happens a month from now when we start seeing some of the surges come back again.

00:21:52.780 Well, you touched on about four things, Danielle, that I would like to follow up on.

00:21:56.260 But as I as I kick it over to Rob, Rob, I do want to play the devil's advocate.

00:22:00.780 And if your government here, what you're saying is this is a moving target.

00:22:04.440 And therefore, we've had to make decisions based on the evidence of the day.

00:22:08.440 You've heard the premier say that several times and the evidence of the day is always changing.

00:22:12.700 and they would tell you that they have a genuine mandate to defend the people and protect the

00:22:20.720 people. But many people are starting to say it's gone too far and there's no end in sight. What

00:22:27.580 do you make on what they've done to this point and where we're at now? Well, there's so much to

00:22:33.300 cover there, but I'll just say that I find the most concerning thing is how governments,

00:22:38.900 the left and I would say including Jason Kenney and his government how they've weaponized the

00:22:45.980 issue of vaccinations and mandatory vaccinations which is essentially what's happening here

00:22:51.540 to cover up their gross incompetence of managing this pandemic you know I think everyone understood

00:22:59.500 at the very beginning when we didn't quite know what we were dealing with we had numbers coming

00:23:05.500 out of china that the death rate was 3.4 do you remember that that was nuts like that would have

00:23:11.500 been tens and tens and tens of millions of people hundreds of millions of people uh dead if that

00:23:17.100 were true now thankfully it turned out that wasn't the case and it's closer to 0.1 percent uh or even

00:23:23.180 less than that but the the point is is that governments when they lock down the first time

00:23:30.140 trying to figure out what okay what are we dealing with here um what they naturally should have done

00:23:35.100 what our government should have done is staffed up uh made sure that they had adequate resources for

00:23:41.980 surge capacity on the various waves that were coming um you know viruses mutating is it's not

00:23:48.780 a new thing uh it happens like all the time it's the rule so they should have known that this was

00:23:56.460 happening and instead what this government did and what i'm not going to speak to other governments

00:24:01.020 but they decided to pick a fight with doctors and nurses and and tick them off and and they're

00:24:07.020 worried about salaries instead of saying you know what guys all hands on deck here let's make sure

00:24:12.620 we have surge capacity of five six hundred icu beds we know we're going to be in this for a

00:24:17.500 couple years let's get this done and because they so incompetently managed the system instead of

00:24:23.740 putting the resources and and not picking fights with nurses and doctors during this time and

00:24:27.820 staffing up uh what they've decided to do instead is cover their mistakes by weaponizing this

00:24:33.420 vaccine issue and saying well this is this is we can't let the unvaccinated um overwhelm our 0.99

00:24:40.380 healthcare system and therefore we are going to mandate that everybody regardless of whether you

00:24:47.340 really are at risk of covet or not need to have this or you're going to lose your job or you're

00:24:51.420 going to if you're a kid you're not going to be able to play sports or if you're in post-secondary

00:24:57.820 you're not going to be able to get your education they've done this to try to change the villain 1.00

00:25:03.260 from their stupidity because that's what it is just complete incompetence and stupidity 1.00

00:25:08.380 and and focus it on individuals that do have an issue with vaccinating their children or 1.00

00:25:15.020 do have an issue with the vaccination itself i'm fully vaccinated i believe in the science of it

00:25:20.780 but i don't believe it's a one-size-fits-all approach for absolutely everybody and we believe

00:25:26.860 in this country i thought that people were in control of their own bodies and their own

00:25:31.740 liberties and what gets put into their own bodies and um i guess for the last few months anyway i've

00:25:38.780 been proven wrong that that's uh that's not the case at all well we're at the heart of it so we

00:25:44.540 might as well stay here uh danielle pick up on what rob's saying and this has really become

00:25:48.940 unfortunately i hate seeing it in the headlines i can't stand it when i see a leader standing up

00:25:54.060 there and saying this is the pandemic of the unvaxxed i'm not sure that it is i'm not a

00:25:58.940 health expert admit that but we are pitting the unvaxxed versus the vaxxed in all of this

00:26:04.060 well and that's the real danger here as well is that it's given those who are vaccinated um and

00:26:11.500 an oh i think in a heightened sense maybe an over-reliance that it's a sterilizing immunity

00:26:17.500 and quite frankly it's not this is the we never it never was intended to be a vaccine like polio

00:26:24.780 or smallpox those are vaccines where you get the jab and sure there may be the occasional

00:26:29.900 breakthrough case but generally speaking you're good for life i think people are under the

00:26:34.700 impression that that's what these vaccinations are too i have heard countless stories of people

00:26:39.660 who get covid after they've been vaccinated and they're astonished they say well i shouldn't be

00:26:45.180 able to get covid because i've been vaccinated and that's a real problem because if you think

00:26:50.220 that you're superman or superwoman and you can't possibly have covid because you've been vaxxed

00:26:54.700 then if you do get a cold or sneezing or coughing you might not be as careful around other people

00:26:59.660 and so you become the spreader and then we don't end up solving the problem we've seen in other

00:27:04.700 jurisdictions that we're just a little bit behind on israel israel was ahead of us on vaccination

00:27:11.260 And it clearly wears off. I mean, I don't think that it's controversial to say that now. They're

00:27:17.020 already doing triple shots in Israel. We're doing triple shots on our most vulnerable here. They're

00:27:23.820 talking about four shots in Israel, four shots in the space of a year. I mean, that should tell you 0.99

00:27:28.940 something about the nature of this vaccine, that it works well, but it's short lived. And if that's

00:27:34.780 the case, then we have to have a different strategy. The strategy has to be making sure

00:27:38.940 that those who are the most at risk are prioritized for additional boosters at the time that it's

00:27:47.220 needed, which is coming up on respiratory virus season. We also really failed. This is the biggest

00:27:53.360 failure I think of all in being over-reliant on vaccines. In a normal world, you wouldn't get

00:27:58.800 vaccines developed for approval for human populations for three years or more. And what

00:28:05.160 would normally have happened is that as soon as this vaccine, pardon me, as soon as this virus

00:28:10.200 started making the rounds, what would have happened is everybody would have jumped into action and

00:28:14.400 said, okay, we already have a bunch of drugs that are already approved for other uses. Let's do some

00:28:18.480 studies to find out if any of them can be repurposed to assist us in addressing this

00:28:23.320 particular virus. And that never happened. In fact, that kind of research was actively ignored

00:28:28.160 and actively suppressed. And so now we're in a situation where we've got these vaccines wearing

00:28:33.600 off. And we still haven't done the work on trying to find effective therapeutics for when people who

00:28:38.600 are vaccinated get sick. And I think that that's going to be the biggest failure of the government

00:28:44.340 is when people realize that they thought that they were safe by doing everything the government

00:28:48.820 told them to do. They went out and they were a good citizen. They still got sick. And when they

00:28:53.600 get sick, the government says, sorry, just, you know, if you stop breathing or your lips turn

00:28:57.940 blue, go to the hospital, but we haven't developed any other mechanism to treat you. And that's a

00:29:03.260 real problem. Well, what about, stay there. What about, what about other treatment, uh,

00:29:07.660 focused protection, these kinds of things? Um, it seems like anytime, uh, a suggestion comes up,

00:29:13.440 it's downplayed pretty quickly. In fact, um, I, I hesitate to mention, uh, the, the one treatment,

00:29:19.380 I'm sure you will, that, that, that many refer to, um, it gets downplayed and, uh, you immediately,

00:29:24.920 uh, feel guilty for even bringing it up, that it's unsafe, but you would think some in the

00:29:29.880 medical field would prescribe some other alternatives? Are looking at other suggestions?

00:29:36.160 Are we there yet? And are we doing what we should be as a society?

00:29:40.200 I understand the Canadian COVID Care Alliance is looking at developing a telehealth service

00:29:46.200 that's by membership only so that if you do get diagnosed with COVID, they will send you a package

00:29:53.420 and a treatment protocol that has been affirmed by a doctor. They also have developed treatment

00:29:58.760 protocols for how you can avoid vaccine injury. They've developed treatment protocols for long

00:30:03.800 COVID because some people still have symptoms after they've recovered from COVID. And all of

00:30:10.600 this they want to make available by telehealth. But isn't that remarkable that that's what it's

00:30:14.220 come down to, is that colleges have so terrorized doctors into threatening them with the loss of

00:30:19.780 their license that doctors are now going to have to anonymously go through a private

00:30:24.060 a service that's behind a paywall in order to give people the treatment that they need.

00:30:29.040 It shouldn't be that way. And so I've been I've been working with a group of doctors to try to

00:30:34.000 either get this mandate from the college overturned. There was a similar type of mandate

00:30:40.620 that was in Nebraska and the attorney general of Nebraska wrote a mandate saying this is not

00:30:48.280 an appropriate use of the of the Professions Act in that state. So hopefully we'd be able to do

00:30:52.740 that and if not get some clinical trials going if it if the key is that they're rejecting any of

00:30:58.900 these potential treatments because they haven't been done in a modern western industrialized

00:31:04.020 country with our medical standards well let's get a bunch of these different drugs under those kind 0.80

00:31:08.420 of treatment uh trials and and allow for people to to get some kind of of medications when they

00:31:14.580 do get diagnosed the this cannot continue on for another respiratory virus season especially with

00:31:19.780 with all the pressures coming on our hospital,

00:31:21.340 we need another option.

00:31:22.960 Rob, I wanna ask you a question,

00:31:24.640 but I just wanna make sure,

00:31:25.600 is there something you wanna add

00:31:26.700 to what Danielle just said?

00:31:28.220 No, I couldn't agree more with what she said.

00:31:30.960 That's preventative and early stage treatment for COVID

00:31:37.360 other than just go home and stay home.

00:31:39.980 That's not a treatment for COVID.

00:31:42.300 I mean, obviously it's a serious disease,

00:31:45.740 it's a serious condition, serious virus.

00:31:48.780 we're two and a half, I mean, how long, almost two and a half years now since the beginning of

00:31:53.900 this pandemic. I mean, it's just like, it's time to, it's time to move on and make sure that we

00:31:59.740 actually have some options for, for people. Okay. So then I will ask you the question. Thank you for

00:32:06.440 that. We were told, I think initially that once 70% of the population was vaccinated, we'd combine

00:32:12.580 that with those that have, that have had COVID and obviously develop some natural immunity afterward.

00:32:18.780 If I'm phrasing that correctly, we'd be okay as a mass population.

00:32:24.040 I'm not sure there is a number now.

00:32:25.960 Rob, is the goal here to vaccinate 100% of people in the world?

00:32:31.020 And until then, we live in this?

00:32:33.300 Because I don't see the goalposts.

00:32:35.300 I don't see the end of the field.

00:32:38.540 Yeah, we've kind of missed the mark.

00:32:40.640 um see the the problem we know this this is i think we all know that covid uh is is very um

00:32:49.320 deadly and very serious as you go up in age and as you uh have more and more pre-existing conditions

00:32:57.760 in your in person's health okay so we know this we also know that uh young people are are not very 0.80

00:33:06.600 susceptible to having a serious covid outcome so those teenagers young children people in their

00:33:13.000 20s even into their 30s have a quite a they can get covid of course just like anybody can but

00:33:19.780 having a serious reaction to it is quite low so this this whole idea that the reason why we have

00:33:27.660 the mandated vaccines and i i still say they're mandated if if you're going to lose your job or

00:33:33.060 post-secondary education because you're not taking a vaccine that's that's a mandatory vaccine for

00:33:38.740 those people anyway but the the problem is is we're not looking at vaccines the way that they

00:33:44.820 should be used which is to be used by the high risk populations as danielle said focused on them

00:33:52.420 make sure they get it early if they need boosters make sure they get a boosters to to uh to greatly

00:33:59.060 decrease the prevalence of a serious covid outcome in those in those demographic groups but but what

00:34:06.900 politicians have done here and i would say the metal community is they have created a

00:34:13.780 obligation on the part of people and children and teenagers and young men and women that they also

00:34:23.060 have to get a vaccine that they frankly don't need they can they can if they want but they don't

00:34:29.860 their life is not going to end almost assuredly if they don't get it with few rare exceptions if

00:34:35.300 they have those pre-existing conditions in which case you should get it but you're forcing these

00:34:40.100 people to get vaccines that that they don't need and you're doing it in order to apparently protect

00:34:48.820 those in their middle ages and and upper and and seniors from from contracting it and getting it

00:34:55.620 well that's all fine and dandy and if you want to preach that that's that's your prerogative

00:35:01.140 to preach that as a doctor and as a as a citizen but to force that age group and people to to

00:35:09.780 have a vaccine uh injected into them that although tested thoroughly in a short term period has

00:35:17.140 obviously not be tested for long-term side effects and to ask young people to do this not ask them

00:35:23.460 sorry to force them essentially to do this is a violation of their charter rights yep and it's

00:35:28.980 unethical rob and there are a lot of parents having these discussions i can tell you right now

00:35:34.100 because it's very clear uh that the drug company's next move is to um whether in good faith or whether

00:35:41.860 profit driven depending on how you look at this is to come up with a vaccine uh that is safe for

00:35:47.460 youth and danielle i think there are a lot of parents saying i'm not sure my children need to

00:35:52.260 take the vaccine uh based on the risk of covid to them uh but there's something else at play here

00:35:58.580 and this seems to be the next step well and i i think you're right and i i also agree with rob

00:36:04.500 that the numbers are so clear if you're over the age of 70 you you pretty well because of your age

00:36:11.220 and health profile it's almost a slam dunk that yes you should be taking it if you're between 35

00:36:17.940 and 70 it depends based on what your background level of health is and obesity is a very highly

00:36:23.220 correlated we do have an obese population so it may be that there's a large number of people who

00:36:27.860 have to be vaccinated in that group too but under age 35 it's it becomes pretty difficult especially

00:36:33.540 when you look at the results on vaccine injury that is is your risk of a vaccine injury higher

00:36:39.940 than your risk of having a bad outcome from COVID. And once again, everybody should be free to be

00:36:45.140 able to make their own personal choice on that. And the fact that that's been taken away is not

00:36:50.900 only a charter violation, but also a bad precedent, because I don't know what this means for future.

00:36:56.420 Essentially, the way we're adjudicating this, or the way we're pushing this out is, and somebody

00:37:02.180 put it to this, to me this way, they contacted their MLA. And the MLA's response was that

00:37:06.980 Justin Trudeau has made COVID a workplace hazard. And as a result, since it's a workplace hazard,

00:37:14.340 there is legal liability on the part of the company to mitigate that potential hazard.

00:37:19.540 And when you think that through, what that means is that this will never end. There will always be

00:37:24.340 a variant. And more so right now in the UK, there's a very bad cold going around. It's not COVID,

00:37:30.820 but is now having a cold workplace hazard? And what about influenza? We know that influenza

00:37:36.900 actually kills more young people under the age of 20 than covid does so is now influenza a workplace

00:37:43.220 hazard and what else will be declared a workplace hazard i just think that there's a lack of reality

00:37:48.740 here that we have never been able to stop viruses we we are the best we can do is mitigate against

00:37:56.020 the harms of them but to expect that government regulations can stop viruses or that corporations

00:38:02.260 somehow can stop viruses and what happens then if you once we get to 100 uh fully vaccinated

00:38:08.340 what happens when a new variant comes along and manages to bypass all those vaccines well i can

00:38:12.260 tell you what happened in israel they turned off your vaccine passport so you used to be able to

00:38:16.340 go to restaurants and public events and then nope sorry if you don't have your third vaccine you're

00:38:22.020 considered unvaccinated is that the world that we want to live in where our access to society

00:38:26.980 is turned on and off based on the most recent variant and our most recent booster shot

00:38:31.460 i would prefer to go the pathway that uk did in denmark and norway and sweden they got to a

00:38:35.940 certain point they said it's it it's over this is at an end and i haven't seen anything that leads

00:38:41.620 me to believe that we're going in that direction because you don't make permanent decisions to get

00:38:47.300 rid of staff members on a temporary policy that's why i'm increasingly alarmed that we're going to

00:38:52.420 go the direction of that israel is already charting out and our freedoms are going to be at risk for 1.00

00:38:58.420 the foreseeable future and i don't know what will end it if we go down that track

00:39:02.100 oh you know you're putting me in a bad mood d with uh some of those questions because he's

00:39:08.180 the lawyer right and i don't know how a company can can if you're right if this is truly the way

00:39:13.380 the jurisprudence is going i that's the sense that i'm getting is that this that's the reason why

00:39:17.620 they're making these decisions i want to ask rob a legal question but this is where this is how i

00:39:21.780 want to frame it uh brian peckford the last living premier involved in the construction and the

00:39:26.820 the adoption of the Charter Rights and Freedoms. The former Newfoundland Labrador Premier is now

00:39:32.200 speaking out. In fact, he says the Charter and parliamentary democracy are being violated and

00:39:36.960 abused by governments whose pandemic policies have taken aim at freedom of expression, freedom of

00:39:43.100 assembly, and other charter guaranteed rights as well. And he recently did an interview on the

00:39:49.080 Canada Strong and Free Network, and he spoke to these things. Rob, I don't know if you saw that

00:39:53.140 interview. But even if you didn't, I'm sure you can comment on that. Are we going to start hearing

00:39:57.600 more from this from people like you think one would want to listen to Mr. Peckford?

00:40:02.780 Oh, absolutely. And he's right. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms was specifically

00:40:09.760 drafted for, frankly, situations like this, where you have the majority feels one way,

00:40:17.960 and you have groups in the minorities that feel another way

00:40:22.840 and they don't want to do something that's maybe in the mainstream

00:40:26.240 and whether, you know, you think about religion,

00:40:29.960 you think about some of these other things,

00:40:32.180 you think about, there's all sorts of examples,

00:40:35.060 but the Charter is supposed to protect those groups

00:40:38.660 from the majority, from the tyranny of the majority.

00:40:43.120 That's the whole point of the Charter.

00:40:44.660 So that is not happening at all. The opposite is true. And I would say that, again, I'm fully vaccinated. My kids are vaccinated.

00:40:55.860 But if there is a if there are parents out there that do not want their children to be vaccinated because they're worried about their risks, for example, to having a bad reaction from the vaccine or they have religious reasons for it or they don't feel they're at risk because they're in great shape, have a great immune system.

00:41:17.040 they're 35 40 years old and and and feel like they're willing to live with that risk how are

00:41:23.020 we allowing their jobs their post-secondary education um you know in the kids the kids

00:41:30.620 child development physical and social development of being able to play organized sports uh in

00:41:35.760 arenas and so forth how where have we gone here where we're forcing this to happen and and forcing

00:41:43.600 them to do these things that against their will because that's what we're doing and that is a

00:41:47.200 charter violation not only of a belief but quite frankly their security of person their ability

00:41:53.840 so would these things hold up legally would they hold up legally then rob it's hard to say because

00:42:00.360 this is there's a lot of things i don't think i ever thought in a million years would would hold

00:42:06.460 up legally and they have so far this hasn't been determined by the supreme court it will get there

00:42:11.680 I wonder if it'll still be a big issue by the time the Supreme Court hears it.

00:42:18.340 But I do, I have seen a little bit lately where governments and private businesses are stepping back a little bit from the mandatory nature, like either get this or be fired, because they're worried about constructive dismissal claims, wrongful dismissal claims and so forth.

00:42:38.720 but you know the government hasn't helped on this and where is Jason Kenney why is he not

00:42:44.260 why is he a part of this why is he not protecting those people that need to be protected right now

00:42:50.480 well let me ask a different question to you Danielle and Rob says where is Jason Kenney

00:42:54.360 I would ask this as an outside observer not not picking any sides where have all the conservative

00:43:00.720 leaders gone because if you would have asked these people in their election campaigns and

00:43:05.980 platforms, this probably wouldn't have been a strategy that you would see a conservative leader

00:43:11.060 employ or say they were going to employ. Is that fair or am I missing something? Is there a

00:43:17.940 conservative leader out there that's doing this the way that you would suggest we should?

00:43:22.640 I think that we need to assert that Twitter is not the real world. I know that's controversial

00:43:28.680 to say, but it seems to me that's how we're governing, is that if something causes the

00:43:33.100 Twitterati to get outraged, and they make something trend and go viral, and then it gets picked up by

00:43:38.800 the mainstream media, then all of a sudden, politicians feel a need to poll on it. And then

00:43:43.820 the poll results, often asking 1000 people across the entire country, ends up being skewed in favor

00:43:49.220 of one direction. That's how they're making their decisions. I mean, it's so funny that for the last

00:43:53.600 five years, maybe 10 years, everybody has been talking about how terrible populism is, that is

00:43:59.220 this is the ultimate populism. This is not principle-based leadership. And so when I look

00:44:03.560 at principle-based leadership, I look at Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who, quite frankly, he took

00:44:08.560 a tough decision, same thing as everybody else did back in March, April, when this first came about,

00:44:12.520 he didn't know what was going on either. But when it came time during the next wave to do the same

00:44:17.920 thing, he did something quite remarkably different. He held a press conference with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya

00:44:23.360 and Sinatra Gupta and Martin Koldorf and Scott Atlas.

00:44:28.720 And he got them to educate the press corps about how they saw it differently

00:44:33.320 and how you could do focused protection and why that was a better solution.

00:44:37.420 And he's not veered.

00:44:38.880 There have been surges in Florida since, and he has not veered off that course.

00:44:43.520 You can tell he's been completely red-pilled,

00:44:45.660 that there is no way that he is going to look at this particular virus any differently

00:44:50.380 than he looks at influenza.

00:44:51.960 And this is the real problem is I don't know what it will take for politicians to develop that same backbone.

00:44:58.640 I thought Premier Jason Kenney had.

00:45:01.120 I thought Dr. Dina Hinshaw understood how important it was for us to make that transition because they talked about that in August.

00:45:08.580 And instead, they ended up not only going 180 degrees, but going down exactly the same authoritarian path that you're seeing in every other jurisdiction.

00:45:17.520 So leadership like that, it's really in short supply.

00:45:21.560 and sadly it's non-existent in Canada. Rob, go ahead. I know you'd probably point to Texas as

00:45:26.860 well. Absolutely. And what's amazing too is there's just been so many studies that have

00:45:33.820 looked at, you know, lockdown states that have locked down versus states that haven't and

00:45:38.580 everything in between. And there's no real correlation with regards to serious COVID

00:45:45.500 out to comes and uh and deaths and whether there were lockdowns or not there's a little bit of a

00:45:51.740 change in the curve um the states that don't lock down tend to get a few more a few more cases

00:45:58.860 quickly and then they peter off and then the ones that lock down not as fast but then they spike up

00:46:04.300 at the end and and that's that's been been shown it's been shown in the con in other countries 0.67

00:46:10.460 sweden denmark you go down the list so we don't need to resort to these um these ridiculous

00:46:18.700 policies these lockdown policies these mandatory vaccines in order to save lives from this pandemic

00:46:26.220 we need surgical smart uh preventative measures measures that focus on the vulnerable and doing

00:46:33.260 it in a way that does not violate people's charters charter rights can i also add one more

00:46:38.300 thing to that bruce because i i think the the the problem that we got ourselves into

00:46:43.420 is that somebody planted the seed that zero covet and zero deaths was possible and i think that

00:46:49.340 seed was planted by just in the uh ardern in new zealand and so people thought that that was showing

00:46:56.220 great leadership that she'd set out such a strong and visionary type of of objective and then she

00:47:02.460 was prepared to follow it up with strong action she got lauded in praise but but we have to ask

00:47:07.660 the question, is it achievable? So I think that the danger that our politicians have gotten into

00:47:12.760 here is they think that zero COVID and zero deaths are possible through vaccines. It's the

00:47:18.980 same thing. It's the same premise, faulty premise that they're operating on, that they have put so

00:47:26.180 much faith in vaccination. I think that there really is this belief, if we could just get to

00:47:30.860 100%, that'll make sure that we stamp out all variants, and then we will never have another

00:47:36.280 variant and we'll never have another covid death and i think this is the really difficult thing

00:47:41.080 that we've got to come to terms with is life is inherently risky we die of all kinds of things we

00:47:46.040 are very fragile creatures and every death from every type of cause is going to be a hardship and

00:47:51.560 a sadness for the families that have to endure it but we also can't set unrealistic expectations

00:47:56.920 that we can have zero death society and that it's the politicians job to bubble wrap us all

00:48:00.920 and protect us from all harms and hazards on the increasingly small risk that someone might die of

00:48:07.620 something. This is the real problem is we've got no real sense of how to manage or mitigate risk

00:48:13.340 in a practical way. And if, you know what, if this was a vaccine like smallpox, okay, I can

00:48:19.680 understand the strategy that you want to make sure that everybody in the world gets a jab so that you

00:48:23.360 can completely eradicate it. But now that we know that it's not, now that we know that it mutates,

00:48:29.840 it's a lot more like influenza then we have to develop an approach that's more like influenza

00:48:34.720 i came to that conclusion a long time ago i don't know what it will take for our politicians to come

00:48:38.480 to the same conclusion well maybe more discussions like this one and i think that's a great way a

00:48:43.920 great place to leave it guys both of you uh had some pretty good concluding comments there so why

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00:48:59.860 Rob, Danielle, thank you both.

00:49:01.580 Thanks, Bruce. Thanks, Rob.

00:49:03.200 Thanks, Bruce. Danielle.

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Western Standard - October 22, 2021

Uncensored： Mandatory Vaccination

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