Western Standard - Uncensored： Variants keep coming

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00:02:00.720 good evening and welcome to uncensored thanks for being with us this week i'm your host bruce

00:02:05.120 mccallister this is a political talk show where we discuss the issues of the day from every angle

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00:02:22.080 discuss covid the latest variant that has the the world taking notice and some would say overreacting

00:02:30.000 we're going to talk about what governments might be doing instead and all of the things to do with

00:02:34.720 with covid our guests let's bring them up and introduce them as usual first we've got danielle

00:02:39.280 smith danielle the president of the alberta enterprise group former leader of the wild

00:02:43.200 rose party and uh well-known common sense conservative commentator good evening danielle

00:02:47.920 hello bruce and we say hello to rob anderson litigator in uh airdrie two time uh two term

00:02:54.560 MLA in Airdrie, and also author of the Free Alberta Strategy, which a lot of Albertans

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00:03:01.400 Rob, good to see you.

00:03:02.780 Good to see you, Bruce.

00:03:04.200 Well, let's start with the Omicron variant.

00:03:07.740 Is it overblown?

00:03:10.560 Is it overhyped?

00:03:11.600 Is it hysteria, Danielle, that we're watching?

00:03:15.000 I can't believe that we're still in this situation some 20 months after the fact, where the only

00:03:22.600 thing that comes up as a solution anytime we have something that looks like it might be scary

00:03:28.280 is to talk about travel bans and travel restrictions and shutting down borders uh

00:03:33.480 dr joe vipon who seems to be the only doctor anybody ever quotes he wants alberta's borders

00:03:39.480 to be shut down and if you very early on the international media was reporting on what the

00:03:46.200 manifestation is of this new variant and it sounds like it's morphed into a mild cold it doesn't even

00:03:52.120 have the telltale sign of losing your sense of taste and smell. And that shouldn't be that

00:03:57.240 surprising because coronaviruses generally do manifest as mild to moderate colds. And we've

00:04:04.360 only had three that have become deadly. We have MERS and SARS-1 and now SARS-2. And this should

00:04:09.640 be something that we look at as good news. If it is the case that this virus is following the normal

00:04:15.980 path that it is mutating to become less deadly but more easily spread that is actually a positive

00:04:22.220 thing and the politicians need to stop panicking and they need to start giving some real science

00:04:27.420 to the public so they can get them out of this sense of fear that they have i wonder how much the

00:04:32.300 uh the media plays into this rob i'll let you pick up on what daniel said and maybe add to it if you

00:04:37.180 watch the uh the newscasts leading off the the day that the uh the new variant was announced i mean

00:04:43.180 it was it was all fear all the time run and hide yeah the uh collective bedwetting by the

00:04:51.100 media is uh astonishing as you just watch it and you just kind of shake your head but i think

00:04:57.220 people now i hope people now uh want to move on here i mean we are we are destroying every time

00:05:05.580 we allow another variant which will happen every six to eight months to a year generally during

00:05:12.520 flu season uh as these fire variants come on board um if we allow them to shut down our economy

00:05:20.040 shut down our school system um force everyone to get a third fourth fifth sixth vaccine etc

00:05:27.240 this this is becoming abusive to children this is becoming an attack on on on people's obviously

00:05:35.000 their rights people are getting fired for not getting vaccinated and it's all driven by fear

00:05:40.920 and i just see it again and again and again and this latest mutation is just the latest

00:05:47.160 okay i'll stay with you rob this time to pick this one up first i always say i like to play

00:05:51.960 the devil's advocate and try and look at things the way that the government is so that we cover

00:05:55.880 it from all angles uh doesn't necessarily mean that uh that i believe it but what you're hearing

00:06:01.480 is uh close the borders ban flights from some of these african countries we don't want a repeat of

00:06:07.160 what we had this summer uh do you do you buy into that that they're putting canadian safety first

00:06:13.480 no it's an ignorant and cowardly uh suggestion what what these what these folks danielle quoted 0.77

00:06:20.520 a couple of them are suggesting they're they're they're frankly it's it's selfish and as i said 0.94

00:06:26.120 it's abusive to to children and and to and frankly to adults what governments need to do is they need

00:06:32.680 to say guys look we need to understand that we're going to be living with this virus and variants of

00:06:38.760 this virus for a long time so those are in at-risk groups get vaccinated those who aren't you have

00:06:45.640 access to vaccinations if you want them but we're not going to force it on to you we're going to

00:06:50.040 ramp up surge capacity especially in flu season we're going to allow doctors to prescribe preventative

00:06:56.760 and post diagnostic diagnostic treatments to their to their patients but after consulting

00:07:04.760 with them we're going to stop this top-down bureaucratic approach to managing managing

00:07:11.080 this virus going forward and start treating it like a regular flu virus going forward otherwise 0.73

00:07:17.720 we're going to be five ten years here and still talking about this this garbage and it's got to 0.97

00:07:23.480 stop d well and the leadership has to come from the politicians um so i'll cut my friends in the

00:07:31.080 mainstream media a little bit of slack because everything that they say and report on comes out

00:07:36.760 of the mouth from either a politician or a chief medical officer or some self-appointed expert from

00:07:43.240 the medical community and look who led the charge in asking for a travel ban started with premier

00:07:48.920 Doug Ford, and then it was piled on by Premier Jason Kenney. And so the two guys of three, I

00:07:56.420 mean, I think if I was to look for an outbreak of freedom anywhere in the country, I would be

00:08:01.300 looking first to Alberta, then to Saskatchewan, then to New Brunswick, and then to Ontario.

00:08:07.940 But if we're going to see that our conservative leaders are the ones who are leading the charge

00:08:12.280 of the hysteria, we're not going to get out of it. Because I think we all know that what we've

00:08:16.260 seen so far is everything that they have done. The opposition is that it's not far enough,

00:08:21.620 not fast enough, not deep enough, not authoritarian enough. And so what has occurred now is I think

00:08:26.880 because the premiers have been so beaten up and so resistant to looking at some of the red states

00:08:33.320 in the U.S. and how they're managing this, that they're going to now be the first to want to jump

00:08:38.800 on more extreme measures because they want to demonstrate that they're not going to be soft

00:08:45.560 on these issues and that i think is the real danger is that rather than chart the course

00:08:50.280 that rob talked about which is absolutely the right messaging i think there's a real danger

00:08:55.800 that we're going to go the other way and that we're going to start seeing more restrictions

00:09:00.520 just because the the the premiers are trying to make up for for loosening things up in the past

00:09:05.080 and that is not going to get us out of this at all that is going to perpetuate it if not for

00:09:09.480 one or two more uh seasons as long as rob is saying years well it's terribly frightening

00:09:15.000 because nobody sees an end in sight uh there's so much there to pick up on let's start with this

00:09:19.720 one the travel restrictions for canadians if you're unvaccinated and you want to get on a plane

00:09:24.840 to see a dying loved one you want to attend a funeral uh heck you want to take your family

00:09:30.680 away for a little man health break over the uh the winter break you can't fly out of canada and

00:09:35.800 and if i believe uh if i'm correct you can't get on a train either is this even constitutional

00:09:41.480 what we're seeing and is it is it going to be challenged uh danielle have you heard anything

00:09:45.320 about that well when you look at the charter rights and freedoms the notwithstanding clause

00:09:51.080 applies to only a handful of sections seven seven section seven to 15. mobility rights are section

00:09:58.200 six you have the right to enter and exit your country you have the right to move about freely

00:10:04.200 in your country and here's the problem is i get the sense that politicians are doing things

00:10:10.200 outside the law, outside a legislative mandate, and basically just waiting for the courts to come

00:10:16.040 after them. Because what they've seen, and sadly, I hope we see some wins with the Justice Center

00:10:20.440 for Constitutional Freedoms, but we haven't seen any so far. It seems like we've got a system where

00:10:25.640 public health trumps everything. I didn't realize that the charter ceased to exist as soon as we had

00:10:32.400 a public health emergency declared by the World Health Organization. And that appears to be the

00:10:37.800 case is that um and they've even argued this out in court where just justice center lawyers have

00:10:43.420 said the charter does not trump the public health act and or does the the public health act does not

00:10:49.580 trump the charter and the the respondents have said actually it does and so that's the real

00:10:54.300 danger that we have here is that if politicians have realized that they can pretty well do whatever

00:10:59.960 they want with with or without the legislature with or without a governing budget uh with or

00:11:05.400 without oversight from the courts with or without any effective check on their power why wouldn't

00:11:10.500 they keep on amping up the concern about variants and just maintain this system it's a pretty easy

00:11:15.240 way to govern if you don't have accountability you know I always thought a law degree would

00:11:19.100 be pretty useful uh is particularly for these conversations but we see so many examples of

00:11:24.180 where we wonder what the law uh actually says we're lucky we've got a lawyer uh on on our panel

00:11:29.400 with us Rob what do you make of it I mean um the emotional argument frankly that Canadians can't

00:11:35.380 fly they can't travel out of the country and uh is it i mean is it even legal to do

00:11:42.260 well it's certainly daniel's right our mobility rights um are supposed to protect us from from

00:11:51.060 government intrusion and interfering with our ability to move around the country

00:11:55.540 to fly in and out or travel in and out of the country and so forth and that's a very

00:12:00.100 that's very clear in case law i mean it's not it's not even controversial until

00:12:06.260 the last couple of years where you have these government mandates uh restricting travel even

00:12:12.180 not just international travel but but within the country uh it's it's actually it's insane it's if

00:12:19.860 rule of law doesn't exist anymore and and um you know what what i am seeing though and what

00:12:26.900 is encouraging though and we'll get to mayor gondack's kind of backtrack and some of these

00:12:32.340 other backtracks that are going on with ahs and so forth is that i think they have gone too far

00:12:39.460 some of these agencies um and they're realizing that if this does get into court there's going

00:12:44.180 to be a problem um i know that our firm is working on several cases in this area as well

00:12:50.020 can't i'm not going to go into details at this at this time but the point is is that i think

00:12:55.060 for example the mandatory vaccine policy for everybody that works out from ahs not just those

00:13:03.620 who work with with older people or at-risk groups some of these things people are starting to look

00:13:09.860 at them in in the judicial system and among lawyers and and and so forth and saying that

00:13:16.260 is not a reasonable restriction and although we have to respect the government's role in making

00:13:23.860 sure public health is protected we have to do it in a way that is the least intrusive possible uh

00:13:30.580 to the people that are being affected by these mandates while still achieving the goal of public

00:13:35.700 health and and right now that balance is clearly out of whack this one size fits all approach

00:13:42.740 mandatory vaccination policy is insane uh it's unconstitutional and hopefully i i hope that

00:13:49.860 pretty soon the courts are going to start ruling on this and and we're going to start to see the

00:13:54.260 charter make a make a comeback i hope you're right but here's the thing that's a bit frustrating and

00:14:00.020 um whoever jumps in first go ahead uh if you're just just an average uh everyday canadian and

00:14:05.540 you want to you want to plan a trip with your family i mean you're probably not you don't have

00:14:10.420 the means or maybe the uh the skill to coordinate a legal defense to protest these things a lot of

00:14:17.220 people are just throwing their hands up in the air and saying gosh when will this all end there's not

00:14:21.620 much we can do about it and democracy is uh as we know it is changing i mean we're losing a lot of

00:14:27.940 our personal freedoms here are we not oh we're losing a lot of our personal freedoms and i don't

00:14:33.380 know what the pathway is to get them back i mean i'm hopeful that at some point the courts are

00:14:39.300 going to start functioning properly again or maybe a courageous politician is going to emerge

00:14:44.420 somewhere in canada i mean i i look at the us and and i think we all look down at the us and we say

00:14:50.260 why is it that places like florida and south dakota and texas and elsewhere why is it that they're

00:14:56.260 able to get by with allowing choice allowing people to mask if they choose allowing businesses

00:15:02.180 to ask for proof of vaccination if they choose and if they don't they don't i mean it could be

00:15:08.100 that that is where we have to go i i recognize that calgary and edmonton in particular but

00:15:13.300 probably some of the other centers they are going to be a lot more reluctant to give up some of

00:15:19.140 those restrictions just look at who they elected in both calgary and edmonton that's a sign that

00:15:24.900 that is i think what calgarians and edmontonians want but if you start allowing some freedom in

00:15:30.820 some of the outlying areas the smaller communities the small towns then eventually you're going to

00:15:36.260 to sow the seeds of some real conversation about okay well if they've managed to have some freedom

00:15:41.620 and the world hasn't ended maybe we can start seeing some freedom in calgary edmonton too

00:15:46.260 i recognize everybody's got to come along at a different pace but one of the problems that

00:15:50.900 we've had with the with the premier's approach is he hasn't taken a regional approach he really

00:15:56.420 should have had a more restrictive policy as they were demanding in calgary and edmonton

00:16:01.060 and a a more liberal policy in in the outlying areas if if he'd had 30 constituencies or so that

00:16:08.660 had we're able to get pretty much back to normal the way we see happening in in a lot of of the

00:16:13.140 u.s states i don't think he'd be facing the the war within his party that he is right now rob

00:16:21.140 no i i couldn't agree more i think i called the de santos approach right like it's not like he's

00:16:27.940 suffering uh any kind of political downside for acting courageous on this issue at the very

00:16:33.780 beginning obviously governor de sant de santis sorry was um was certainly taking heat from the

00:16:40.820 media but he stuck to his guns and he's reaping the rewards of that and i'm a little bit perplexed

00:16:47.220 as to why uh premier kenny and and then premier mo and some of these other uh premier ford obviously

00:16:54.500 who's gone way off the way off the track with regards to personal freedoms and so forth why

00:17:01.460 they don't see this and understand that if you act courageously with common sense give choice

00:17:07.700 promote vac promote vaccinations as a as an effective way to protect at-risk groups and all

00:17:14.820 those that uh all those that want them but not force them on people um there's there's a successful

00:17:22.020 political path there but you you have to be courageous you have to stand up to the wailing

00:17:26.660 and the gnashing of teeth of the media and just do it.

00:17:31.740 And in my view, Jason Kenney has really missed the boat on this.

00:17:37.280 And I agree with Danielle.

00:17:38.500 I hope there's political leadership that comes along in this country

00:17:41.940 and says, hey, guys and gals, we don't need to do it this way.

00:17:45.840 We can respect personal freedom.

00:17:47.480 We can respect the charter, and we can still protect public health.

00:17:50.860 You know, I should say this, Chris.

00:17:52.400 I feel like it might be getting even a little bit

00:17:54.760 out of politicians' control.

00:17:56.000 I was at an Oilers game last night, Rob.

00:17:58.740 I know you're going to be jealous of those Oilers and Penguins last night.

00:18:01.780 And the arena was stacked with a lot of young people.

00:18:06.400 And they, of course, had the big sign about having to go to the vaccine station and everyone was piling in.

00:18:14.300 But, you know, what I didn't observe was any fear whatsoever about Omicron.

00:18:18.460 And I think that this is part of the success of the message.

00:18:22.000 The message has been, if you're vaccinated, then you have a lower level of risk associated with getting sick, getting hospitalized and dying.

00:18:30.880 They can't now do a 180 and say, after all of this messaging that we've had for you for the last year, that this was the solution to now tell you, ooh, it's not the solution.

00:18:41.440 Because what is that going to do to vaccine hesitancy?

00:18:44.600 if you go through and you get double jabbed i guess they've now announced triple jabs for

00:18:49.780 everyone that's not a measure of confidence that actually is undermining the message that that

00:18:55.800 these things work because if we're going to be in a situation like they are in israel well where i

00:19:02.300 think they're on their fourth jab now is that the future is that it's two jabs a year every year

00:19:07.720 forever are people going to put up with that let's follow this up d right here this is the point that

00:19:12.900 i wanted to raise tonight um i hear and read enough uh outside the mainstream media that people

00:19:20.120 say okay i got the first two jabs um i don't know about the next booster and the next booster

00:19:25.820 uh is there a point where the public says okay is is booster number five enough to say i mean

00:19:32.920 big pharma's loving this right like i i haven't been following their stock lately but i'm sure

00:19:37.540 they're doing fine uh the point is there is no this isn't like the vaccines that everybody talks

00:19:43.360 about for polio etc etc where you know you got your shot and uh and you were good this is something

00:19:50.120 that we're apparently having to get every three or six months and is there a stomach for that is

00:19:54.640 society gonna gonna gonna go for this well i think i think there is going to be a line but

00:20:00.920 where that line is i don't know anymore i thought that was going to be a year ago that the line was

00:20:06.880 was crossed on this and here we are we're still going but uh i think i think the starting position

00:20:13.440 is we have to identify some of the the untrues or the mistakes of of the past uh that have been

00:20:22.080 kind of pronounced by these public health officials and and politicians and one of them

00:20:26.480 for example is that oh okay well the reason we all want you to get vaccinated is because

00:20:33.600 we don't want you to transmit it to other people that somehow being vaccinated is going to keep it

00:20:39.120 from being transmitted greatly and so it's your public responsibility and that's why we're going 0.64

00:20:44.080 to essentially mandate these things etc well that turned out to be garbage like it's just false

00:20:50.000 i mean you got you got entire hockey teams who are young fit people completely vaccinated like

00:20:56.320 the new york islanders and the ottawa senators having their half their team get covet uh after

00:21:02.560 being vaxxed and having to shut down their games and so forth this is this is not true and so

00:21:08.000 people need to say need to take a look and say okay if it's not affecting transmission if it's not

00:21:14.400 making a difference in that scope then the only reason to get it is personal does it will it

00:21:21.040 protect me and that's a personal choice you can't force someone to take a vaccine uh because that

00:21:29.360 they're unwilling to take because it that you believe it will help them that's not how liberty

00:21:34.560 over one's body works and we have to get back to that core principle that that people need to be

00:21:40.000 personally responsible for their own bodies and if they don't want to get a vaccine they don't

00:21:44.720 have to get a vaccine especially when it doesn't affect transmissibility danielle answer the same

00:21:50.480 question and i'll ask you uh i love putting you on the spot because you never know what you're

00:21:54.080 going to say i mean is there is there a number where you say okay no i won't get the third or

00:21:59.920 the fourth or the fifth booster uh to to rob to rob's point i i mean i think he i think he's

00:22:06.320 absolutely right that and let me let me just put let me put it out on the table i didn't get

00:22:11.840 the pfizer vaccine because by the time i believe the government when they told me that they were

00:22:18.000 not going to force vaccination so i thought okay well i'll be one of the 30 percent and then when

00:22:22.160 they did force vaccination i we were already beginning to see the results of israel and i

00:22:27.440 thought you know what if this is the way it's going that your life gets turned on and off and

00:22:31.680 your vax pass gets turned on and off with each new booster i want to try a different choice so i went

00:22:36.960 down and got the johnson and johnson vaccine and so maybe they'll uh have a second booster for that

00:22:43.120 i'm not sure i still feel like because of the delivery mechanism being an adenovirus i just

00:22:47.920 feel a little bit more comfortable with it being a bit more of a traditional type of of vaccine and

00:22:53.520 so it has um they they did order some some of the the johnson and johnson doses so if i got forced

00:23:01.520 as a method of having to participate in society to have to get a second one i probably would get that

00:23:06.720 but that's the position i'm in now and i think a lot of people are i i didn't get vaccinated

00:23:12.880 because i have some great fear of being hospitalized i know my level of risk i should

00:23:17.200 mention you can go to cleveland clinic and they've got a little website where you can type in your

00:23:20.720 age and your pre-existing conditions and they will tell you your risk of hospitalization i bet most

00:23:25.440 people don't know and one more thing to rob's point if omicron is in canada and if we have the

00:23:33.040 rule that you can only travel if you're vaccinated it is by definition then being spread by people who

00:23:38.880 are vaccinated which underscores the fact that this division that we have in society where we're

00:23:44.480 treating unvaxed people like outcasts is absurd and that's got to end immediately if we're going

00:23:50.080 to be worried about new variants that can bypass vaccination then there is no reason to have vaccine

00:23:55.920 passports anymore and those should end immediately well there is nothing um that um that makes the

00:24:02.240 hair on the back of my neck stand up more than that than dividing people into unvaxxed and

00:24:06.640 vaxxed history has done this before and it has not ended well um i want to ask you a little bit

00:24:12.320 about the mainstream media and um and i want to preface my comments by saying this i spent 20

00:24:18.480 years in the mainstream media and had a wonderful career there and have wonderful many friends uh

00:24:24.080 many friends that are great people to this day and so i'm not not typically the guy to be dumping on

00:24:29.120 the msm however here's my issue when you see um 100 000 people tens of thousands of people for

00:24:36.640 sure in the streets of australia in rome and other places protesting freedoms for freedom against

00:24:43.120 vaccine mandates and passports that is news that is newsworthy but the mainstream media is not

00:24:49.920 reporting it so people that don't watch um you know don't don't read alternative news feeds

00:24:55.760 uh or see youtube clips and these kinds of things from other sources they don't necessarily know

00:25:00.640 what's going on over the world um this is frustrating to me and danielle at all or maybe

00:25:05.280 rob i'll start with you this time it almost seems like this is a a government narrative to not

00:25:09.920 follow uh because it goes against the grain of what the government is trying to tell us

00:25:15.760 well there are some honest journalists but at the end of the day especially in canada the the

00:25:21.440 mainstream media is bought and paid for it it's that simple uh and it's the trudeau government

00:25:27.200 and the grants that they provided the mainstream media the manipulation that they have in various

00:25:32.960 regulations and so forth to empower uh the media to essentially perpetrate and and advance their

00:25:40.620 agenda is it's not debatable anymore so what people need to understand is that the mainstream

00:25:47.640 media is is nothing more than the uh the communications i would say the communications

00:25:55.680 department of the of the current liberal government and their policy on covid and um i'm not saying

00:26:02.540 that's the same worldwide i'm speaking to canada here so they're not going to get a fair shake

00:26:07.640 in the media and we have to accept that and move on to other independent forms of media i'm i'm

00:26:13.120 kind of done with the mainstream media i think their their influence is is weakening by the by

00:26:19.460 the day uh i think they're just you know essentially they'll just be one of considered

00:26:24.860 one source of information that everybody knows is biased in one direction and so be it but they've

00:26:31.160 lost all neutrality and and most people just don't believe what they hear and they don't watch

00:26:35.960 so that's why well well pick up on that danielle rob very good points there but but danielle i

00:26:41.640 would i would challenge some of what rob said a lot of people still get their their nightly news

00:26:46.220 from their local news stations and um and you know read their local newspapers and if they're

00:26:51.040 not seeing these things that are happening across the globe they're not really aware of them i mean

00:26:55.860 um what do you want to add well it's it's true there's sort of a it's bisected and isn't all of

00:27:02.340 society divided this way i think probably the older you are you probably go to the mainstream

00:27:07.720 sources so you'll turn on the evening news because you got into the habit of doing it over the last

00:27:11.980 60 years and you'll maybe pick up the morning newspaper and you'll listen to the radio have

00:27:16.960 it on the background for companies so i think that there is a group of people who are getting

00:27:21.520 nothing but fear every single moment from every source that they go to but then if you're younger

00:27:28.720 and you kind of grew up with the instant access to whatever it is you wanted on your iphone i i

00:27:34.160 i swear i probably see more videos that are sent to me from some alternative source than i see in

00:27:40.080 in regular mainstream media there's a really great documentary on right now nine part series it's

00:27:45.360 called vreveal.com and they're releasing one each day and they've got brilliant interviews with

00:27:51.840 robert malone the doctor who created mrna vaccines and um uh peter mccullough who was the first in

00:27:58.160 texas to start looking at a treatment protocol and so the the fact that that information is getting

00:28:04.720 out is great the fact that it's not crossing over into the mainstream media is a real problem and

00:28:10.400 the only reason i can really think why that is is that it seems like there is this paradigm which is

00:28:18.240 anything that might cause vaccine hesitancy cannot be reported on so we can't report on therapeutics

00:28:24.960 because then someone might not get a vaccine we can't report on vaccine injury because then

00:28:28.960 someone might not get a vaccine we can't report on all the people who are opposing lockdowns and

00:28:33.280 restrictions because that might create hesitancy to vaccine and so that shouldn't be the paradigm

00:28:38.400 though that the paradigm should be what are the concerns being raised and is there a person we

00:28:44.000 can put on to counter because you and i spent time in the mainstream media too exactly that was always

00:28:48.800 the point as it should have been point counterpoint counterpoint independent observers saying this is

00:28:54.000 what i've heard and this is what i what i think we're not getting that we're getting soul source

00:28:57.280 stories now we're not getting the balance if i can just break in real quick go ahead go ahead so

00:29:03.520 i want to be very clear like when i say the mainstream media i don't mean every

00:29:07.360 reporter uh newscaster and so forth you have to understand and and i'll let danielle speak

00:29:14.160 to it perhaps she has some experience with this i don't know but in a lot of situations it is

00:29:21.440 the managing editor who takes their or the editor that takes their commands from up above from their

00:29:29.360 ownership group and so forth who owns the paper or the the media outlet and so forth and they

00:29:35.200 give the marching orders to the editor who gives the marching order to the newscaster that's how

00:29:41.600 this works and that's why people shouldn't be surprised because the the companies that own these

00:29:50.480 news outlets because they're worried sick about the perception or the woke crowd or being against

00:30:00.240 the science quote unquote the directions to their people are you don't cover this

00:30:05.200 and that's why you're losing their funding yeah yeah or or you lose your fund from the federal

00:30:09.760 liberal government of course that's yeah no no look that was a very good point to raise rob

00:30:13.920 um because you know having been in story meetings uh for decades uh there is definitely a push from

00:30:20.720 up above that that makes it to the managers that then makes it to the reporters but i always said

00:30:25.360 when i was in the newsroom look the story isn't created around this table the story is created

00:30:31.120 out there and if you've got tens or hundreds of thousands of people marching in the streets

00:30:35.760 that's a story and no uh no bureaucrat or government-funded institution should be saying

00:30:42.480 otherwise it's it's curiosity and it's the five w's so apologies for my little rant but i'd like

00:30:48.880 to see more of it in the mainstream media one example that you did mention the things that we

00:30:52.800 didn't cover um suicides for instance um we were particularly cautious about that you don't you

00:30:59.280 don't want to um i don't know what the right word is here but you don't want to encourage that kind

00:31:03.840 of activity yes exactly so i remember my as a young journalist my first experience was somebody

00:31:08.800 on the mcdonald bridge in halifax and uh and between halifax and dartmouth and the road was

00:31:13.360 closed off and i was a young cub reporter and wanted to explain what was going on and

00:31:17.760 we realized what was going on and we didn't draw attention to it but this is as you say rob this

00:31:21.920 is entirely different this this is a narrative that we're being told not to break against and

00:31:26.800 we should be presenting every side danielle you did that masterfully when you were host of the uh

00:31:32.160 uh the morning news on uh chqr it's news talk 770 uh it doesn't happen anymore for what it's

00:31:38.640 well it's kind of you to say and it just felt to me like something's changed quite dramatically

00:31:44.000 in this covid world but maybe it's a few things it's the me too movement on top of

00:31:48.240 blm on top of discussions around transgender um uh conversion as well as uh and you add covet on

00:31:56.480 top of it like there's only one right position to take on that suite of issues that i just raised

00:32:02.480 and we're going to keep on adding more issues that there's only one right position to take

00:32:07.120 and the consequence of not having the right idea or having a guest who doesn't have the right idea

00:32:13.760 is a twitter storm starts and when the twitter storm starts then advertisers get squeamish and

00:32:19.040 when advertisers get squeamish then they call the owners and then the owners say why in the world

00:32:23.200 is something trending like what what are you going to do about that person they must have

00:32:27.200 made a mistake and so that's the vicious cycle that we've got ourselves in and i i really do

00:32:31.920 make a push for that this is that we've got to now get into a world where we have to pay for our

00:32:37.680 journalism the the the advertising model for how we get our news sources has just given an undue

00:32:45.360 amount of influence to the people who pay the bills and if people are able to put forward ten

00:32:50.640 dollars a month or five dollars a month or pay for their subscription or become a member that is what

00:32:56.160 is going to create true independent journalism that's how the alt medias i think have really

00:33:01.040 managed to get a niche and have a growing niche it's very grassroots funding base and i think

00:33:06.560 that that is it's got to be the the model of the future the other thing i'd say is the that when

00:33:11.520 and you know this as well bruce is because we've got such a heavily regulated television and radio

00:33:16.720 industry through crtc is every so often you've got to defend your licenses you've got to say

00:33:22.000 why you deserve to continue the right to broadcast and if there's a thousand broadcast standards

00:33:27.040 council complaints because you've got uh people who are out there creating controversy then that's

00:33:33.760 going to affect your license and affect your ability to run your business so this is the real

00:33:38.080 problem we create a structural problem that is uh working against freedom of speech we could do an

00:33:43.920 entire segment on this guys but i look we're running we're running out of time i want to pick

00:33:47.840 pick up on a couple of things rob you mentioned them earlier jody gonduk the mayor of calgary

00:33:51.680 mentioned uh she wanted to have every unvax a city employee have to pay for their own test to

00:33:57.440 work i think she backed off of those comments ahs also was initially gonna uh i believe they're

00:34:02.400 going to fire everybody that didn't get vaxxed now they're not doing that um what do you make of

00:34:06.480 those those two issues well it goes back to what i said earlier like there's there's some discussion

00:34:12.880 among in the legal community now that's i would i'm not going to say it's a consensus but there's

00:34:19.760 certainly a concern uh with those who are implementing these policies these mandatory

00:34:25.600 vaccination policies that these won't uh stand up in court and um you know uh there's many examples

00:34:33.280 of that uh whether it's uh you know if you're if you're employed as a firefighter for example by

00:34:38.960 ahs um why on earth would you be required as a as a um as a as an employee to uh to to have

00:34:50.560 to get a vaccination you're not in you're not in close confines with with uh you know at-risk

00:34:56.400 people for the most part and there's ways that your job could be managed so that you don't

00:35:01.280 that you don't uh cause any issues in that regard these are young people not at risk for the most

00:35:06.320 part when you're talking about talking about that there's a there's so many examples where the one

00:35:12.000 size fits all approach doesn't make any sense and it's and it's an undue intrusion into people's

00:35:18.560 personal liberty over their body and um i think i think you're going to see this more and more

00:35:24.240 you're going to see the province you're going to see the um uh the the municipalities start to back

00:35:31.040 off these vaccine mandates and especially if um you said earlier bruce you're worried there were

00:35:38.800 not everybody has money to bring forward these cases through the courts but some do they just

00:35:44.480 take time that is happening in the background right now and if we can get one or two solid

00:35:50.320 court decisions on this then the vaccine passports or the back the mandatory vaccine policies will

00:35:57.120 be a thing of the past quite quickly thank you uh rob danielle i'll ask you to comment and uh and

00:36:03.040 maybe wrap at the same time yay for union bosses like i'm really hoping it's the union bosses

00:36:08.960 saying you can't do that i was waiting for them actually i never thought i'd ever say that

00:36:13.920 well truly like this is the political realignment that is happening now you've got an authoritarian

00:36:19.200 progressive mayor calling out the calgary police service and saying they're holding them to ransom

00:36:24.720 and now they're going to be forced to have to pay for rapid testing for the rest of their workers

00:36:29.840 what a disrespectful way to talk to people who have given their career to public service

00:36:34.480 So yay for the union bosses for pushing back.

00:36:37.340 But you know what really bothers me?

00:36:38.860 What really bothers me is look at how this began.

00:36:41.800 This began during the federal election with Justin Trudeau saying,

00:36:45.580 we're going to force federal employees to be vaccinated.

00:36:48.480 And we're going to force any federally regulated business to be vaccinated as well.

00:36:53.700 So guess what happened there?

00:36:55.140 Then the chambers and the business leaders kept coming out saying,

00:36:59.440 oh, yes, we need to have mandatory vaccination.

00:37:02.360 We need to be protected with legislation.

00:37:04.480 And where is that legislation, right? So now you see that all of the government entities are backing down, the federal government backed down, the AHS backed down, the municipalities backed down, but nobody's come clean with the business community and said, ah, yeah, you know, that legislation that was supposed to protect you from liability, we can't actually pass that because our caucus rebelled and there's no possible way they're going to let you fire people without severance.

00:37:31.340 So you've got businesses now making this decision on the basis of the leadership that was being pushed on them by the government officials.

00:37:39.580 And now the government officials are all backing down and they're still expected to go ahead with enforcing these mandates.

00:37:44.440 It's a it's a catastrophe. And I hope what happens is we start seeing that the vaccine passports make no sense.

00:37:51.760 Vaccine mandates are unenforceable before it causes too much havoc.

00:37:55.260 We're on the cusp of Christmas. How many people are about to lose their jobs right before Christmas?

00:38:00.460 we've got to see a reversal in the in the coming weeks otherwise it's going to be

00:38:05.560 just absolutely devastating for people's family situations going into the new year

00:38:09.760 well uh rob you look like you're you're chomping at the bit to get one last sentence or two out i

00:38:16.200 can give you a few more seconds if you like no i was i was just agreeing with danielle okay

00:38:21.260 this is this is not she's right the these businesses have been put into a bad position

00:38:28.100 um but a lot of it's just a lack of courage either they didn't have to follow along they did

00:38:33.820 um with regards to manda what i'm talking about here is i'm not talking about the program that

00:38:39.360 restaurants follow to bring people in and so forth for the vaccine i'm talking about people

00:38:44.420 that are uh being forced to leave their post-secondary institutions forced into

00:38:50.680 choosing between vaccines and being fired um these types of things these are unconstant

00:38:57.240 that they're insert if it's a government entity involved they're unconstitutional

00:39:01.560 and if it's a private entity and they get fired for this reason it's clearly uh without cause

00:39:07.160 it's clearly termination without cause and they should be until entitled to severance these are

00:39:12.040 the cases you're going to see in the next three four months litigated specifically this just cause

00:39:17.880 versus cause uh or without cause case and i'm confident that the courts are going to find the

00:39:24.280 the right way on this and say, look, if you fire someone for not getting a vaccine, a private

00:39:29.580 business, you pay them severance because that's without cause. Got to leave it here, guys. Rob,

00:39:34.740 Danielle, as always, just a tremendous conversation. So thoughtful. Thank you. And

00:39:39.080 until next time, enjoy yourselves. Be safe. All those things. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Danielle

00:39:45.100 Smith and Rob Anderson, our panelists tonight on Uncensored. I want to remind you too at home,

00:39:50.720 if there's a segment that you would like to see or you would like us discuss to discuss a certain

00:39:55.440 issue you can send me an email uh b mccallister at westernstandardonline.com uh b mccallister

00:40:03.600 at westernstandardonline.com there it is on the screen uh and rob and danielle and i are we'll

00:40:09.280 get another panelist to join us we'll we'll discuss the issue what we're trying to do here

00:40:13.920 as danielle communicated so eloquently is uh bring topics to center stage uh that need a light

00:40:20.480 shawn on that we can talk about things that maybe the mainstream media doesn't and cover them from

00:40:25.680 all angles so we're doing our best to do that and we certainly did tonight on covid thank you for

00:40:29.680 joining us and do send me an email we'd love to hear from you and we look forward to seeing you

00:40:34.000 again soon good night

00:40:43.920 Thank you.

Western Standard - December 03, 2021

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