Western Standard - UNCENSORED： What’s going on in Ottawa, In Coutts, and behind the scenes？

00:00:00.000 Hello there and welcome to Uncensored on Western Standard, a political panel that cuts right to

00:00:17.500 the heart of the issues from those that have been there in the trenches. We try to bring

00:00:21.820 you a perspective that you'll not find anywhere else, frankly. And today on the show, we have

00:00:26.720 a lot to talk about. Have Canadians reached the breaking point with freedom restrictions and

00:00:32.720 unnecessary mandates? We're going to discuss what's going on in Ottawa, in Coutts, and behind

00:00:38.040 the scenes. And there is a lot going on. Let's say hello to our panelists, beginning with Rob

00:00:43.340 Anderson, Rob, practicing attorney and author of the Free Alberta Strategy two-term, Airdrie MLA.

00:00:50.360 Good day, Rob.

00:00:52.460 Hi, Bruce.

00:00:53.940 And Danielle Smith, the president of the Alberta Enterprise Group.

00:00:56.900 Danielle, the former leader of the Wild Rose Party and well-known conservative commentator.

00:01:01.300 Danielle, we'll start with you.

00:01:02.460 Just general thoughts on what we're seeing in Ottawa and how this has evolved over the last week or so.

00:01:08.100 Well, the Canadian Trucking Alliance took a formal position opposed to the trucking convoy.

00:01:12.900 So I don't know who comprises this group.

00:01:16.560 So probably would just be the individual truckers and doesn't seem to have the support of the large trucking companies.

00:01:23.260 That being said, man, are they ever getting a lot of support from the public?

00:01:27.740 It's almost like we've got two realities.

00:01:30.040 If you watch mainstream media, all you'll do, all you'll see is individual cases where people are acting like yahoos or they're putting up controversial flags.

00:01:40.140 but if you go to the alternative media you see a lot of canadian flags and young kids and street

00:01:46.740 parties and bollywood parties and so to me it depends on what kind of media you're going to

00:01:52.240 how you're going to perceive this effort but but clearly people are fed up with the restrictions

00:01:57.300 they want a clear timeline for when they come to an end and they're not getting that from their

00:02:02.040 from their governments and we're going to follow up on much of what you just said but rob set the

00:02:06.900 seen for us from your perspective uh of what you're watching in ottawa well it's appropriate

00:02:11.180 that the winter olympics are uh are going on right now because it reminds me of canada's moment back

00:02:16.540 in uh in 2010 in vancouver where the world was watching canada and canada did did itself so

00:02:22.360 proudly um with i think it won the medal total and uh and everything else uh in that olympic

00:02:28.960 in that olympic games and this is literally canada's moment on the world stage is what

00:02:32.580 is happening right now people are watching this all over the world um what the truckers were able

00:02:37.640 to do is is in a very um peaceful uh non-violent effective way they were able to unify i would say

00:02:45.700 um the majority now of of individuals who are fed up with having their freedoms eroded by the

00:02:51.040 government um are fed up with the divisions that the government has made in society the i would say

00:02:57.320 the discrimination that those who are not vaccinated which have had to put up with over

00:03:02.860 the last two years and I mean they literally have have galvanized the public on this and

00:03:09.800 to Daniel's point yeah I mean the mainstream media which hardly anyone watches anymore the

00:03:14.320 legacy media they of course are trying to frame these individuals the way Justin Trudeau has which

00:03:19.380 is white supremacists bigots you know uneducated etc etc anti-vaxxers which they're not

00:03:26.860 And if you look to any of the reports on the ground, whether it's through social media or through the independent media, these people are regular, hardworking, everyday Canadians. 0.51

00:03:37.980 And they're not just truckers.

00:03:39.780 They're from all walks of life.

00:03:41.380 They're led by the truckers, obviously.

00:03:43.160 And it has been a complete success thus far and really something to see.

00:03:48.420 Okay, let's pick up on the mainstream media a little bit.

00:03:51.480 It's an easy one to criticize.

00:03:55.160 But last night, I specifically watched the evening telecast of Global and CTV,

00:04:00.440 and I wanted to see, okay, let's look at this with a critical eye.

00:04:04.120 It's not as if they're not covering it, but they're covering it from one viewpoint.

00:04:09.900 There is no, is it time for freedom?

00:04:13.080 Should we be lifting these mandates?

00:04:14.900 Kind of the point counterpoint.

00:04:16.300 And Danielle, you spent a lot of time doing radio commentary,

00:04:19.260 and you've written, you know, for newspapers for decades now. Is it fair to say, of course,

00:04:26.780 it's fair to say that it's one-sided. Do you think there's a directive in newsrooms to report this

00:04:32.660 one angle? You know, I think what happens is that newsrooms take their direction from what

00:04:38.600 political leaders say. And this is the mistake that Premier Jason Kenney made right out of the

00:04:44.900 gate when he tried to ally himself with the trucker convoy saying darn right we don't want

00:04:49.600 mandates on truckers but then truckers looked back at him and said well wait a minute we don't want

00:04:53.560 we don't want mandates on anyone either that's what the coots border crossing blockade is all

00:04:58.140 about it's it's that one is specifically directed at the provincial government and its vaccine

00:05:03.740 mandate its vaccine passports and so the problem I find that with all of the political leaders in

00:05:09.260 Canada is none of them have created the counter narrative to help pave the way to have people

00:05:14.920 feel comfortable that we can reduce restrictions and people will still remain safe. You look at

00:05:21.580 the language and they've talked about this as being a pandemic of the unvaxxed and that the

00:05:27.060 unvaxxed are the ones who need to be ostracized and isolated and targeted. And what they should 0.93

00:05:34.300 have been doing for the last number of months is talking about who's at risk. Those who are

00:05:39.380 vulnerable, those who are older, how we're going to protect them, how we can protect them in a

00:05:43.320 different way. They should have been paving the way for why it is vaccine passports and mandates 0.99

00:05:48.020 don't work. If everyone's getting Omicron, I mean, this is the most ludicrous thing. You've got 0.52

00:05:52.580 Justin Trudeau doing a press conference because he's isolating due to COVID and he's double vaxxed

00:05:57.960 and he has a booster and he's saying the solution is more vaccines. Like there's some mismatch here

00:06:02.920 when you have people who have gone through and done all of those, all of the jabs and are still

00:06:07.280 getting COVID, you have to come to the conclusion that it doesn't really make sense to have

00:06:12.080 isolation and vaccine mandates and vaccine passports. And the real problem is that none

00:06:16.640 of the politicians are saying that. And as a result, none of the media are commenting on it

00:06:21.580 either. And so they've created, I think, a polarized environment because they haven't given

00:06:25.600 the media the permission to cover the other side of the story. The other side of the story has been

00:06:31.020 out there in the alt media for a long time, but nobody's managed to break through and get the

00:06:35.860 mainstream media covering it the same way. Yep, fair enough. And Rob, just pick up on that. But

00:06:41.520 I'd say this, few politicians, even on the conservative side, to Danielle's point, have

00:06:47.440 been for the last couple of years suggesting there's an alternative way to go that we could

00:06:51.300 reduce, limit some of these mandates. I believe Candace Bergen did yesterday, raise it in the 1.00

00:06:56.280 House of Commons and say, you know, Canadians are ready to move forward. Obviously, Jason Kenney

00:07:01.500 making an announcement today, and we're going to see we're going to see some of these restrictions

00:07:04.980 lifted. Finally, is that part of the problem that the politicians on the opposite side of

00:07:10.720 of the Liberals haven't exactly been freedom fighters themselves?

00:07:14.800 Yeah, absolutely. The conservative movement has not been served well. The freedom movement,

00:07:19.960 I would say, has not been served well by conservative politicians in this country.

00:07:23.500 It has actually been in some ways more frustrating. 0.99

00:07:27.580 I mean, you expect Trudeau with his, I would just say, with his lack of ability to tell the truth and his devotion to the woke religion that he's a part of, you would expect the stupidity that we've seen out of him. 0.98

00:07:39.760 But to see it coming from our conservative leaders has just been down. 0.97

00:07:43.780 These are individuals that were elected on platforms that focused on individual freedoms, on economic freedoms, on the importance of small business and so forth.

00:07:52.760 they they've been complete sellouts jason kelly kenny's been a sellout uh mo until recently has

00:07:58.420 been a sellout uh doug ford's been a disaster uh it it really is awful and the problem is is that

00:08:05.300 there's been no one on the other side to uh take a look uh at things and make the argument as i've

00:08:11.420 seen uh pierre polly they make recently thank goodness o'toole is gone there's another completely

00:08:16.020 failed leader literally failed um but to see the argument made on this a to point out the lies

00:08:22.740 of the left on this issue particular with regards to children i mean i can't believe what we've done

00:08:27.200 to our children in this in this pandemic that's that should be a whole segment in and of itself

00:08:31.620 the abuse frankly that's occurred there but um just just the the inability of them to put an

00:08:37.700 argument together with regards to freedom versus safety and understand that there is a balance

00:08:42.460 between freedom and safety you cannot make everyone safe and you do not want to force 100

00:08:47.860 percent safety on people if that means taking away 100 of their freedoms or most of their freedoms

00:08:52.760 that's what people died for in our wars and that's that's something that we value here and there's

00:08:57.680 been no discussion about the balance between freedom and safety from uh our conservative

00:09:02.860 leadership and it's been a huge disappointment uh well the people are speaking about freedoms

00:09:08.580 danielle and uh you know i wonder if they caught if they caught the federal government by surprise

00:09:14.380 with what we're seeing in Ottawa.

00:09:15.880 I mean, this is one heck of a freedom movement,

00:09:17.880 this Freedom Convoy.

00:09:19.220 I know you're probably trying to settle down

00:09:21.760 a dog or two in the background there,

00:09:23.220 so I'm not sure if I'm able to go to you

00:09:26.160 or I have to go back to Rob,

00:09:27.480 but to either one of you,

00:09:29.640 the people are speaking,

00:09:30.840 they're giving an alt narrative.

00:09:32.220 That's the one that needs to be promoted.

00:09:35.760 I believe even the latest panels

00:09:37.360 show that most Canadians,

00:09:38.560 not panels, surveys, pardon me,

00:09:40.800 the latest polls show that most Canadians

00:09:42.660 are ready to move forward

00:09:43.720 and end these restrictions. Yes? Yeah. And I think Angus Reid must have been taken by surprise by

00:09:48.620 that, that you saw a clear majority in Alberta, a clear majority even in Quebec, a higher majority

00:09:53.420 saying the restrictions must come to an end and people must take measures to protect themselves.

00:09:58.480 So I, but here's the thing, look at how the mainstream media is covering this. If you look

00:10:02.460 at some of the stories today, you will find that the polls suggest that half the people still want

00:10:08.360 to keep the mandates and the passports and half don't, half the businesses want to keep them and

00:10:12.440 half don't. And you've got columnists saying, well, but people will still want to travel.

00:10:16.880 And so we're still going to need to have this infrastructure so people can get a vaccination

00:10:20.640 certification in order to be able to travel. So people are having a hard time breaking out

00:10:25.000 of the paradigm. The fact of the matter is we always had the ability at the federal level to

00:10:30.720 keep track of vaccinations. Yellow fever, for instance, we didn't need to have this massive

00:10:35.820 system of QR codes and impose it on the private sector for us to be able to get a yellow fever

00:10:41.480 certification so that we could travel to South America. They managed to create a system that

00:10:46.520 allowed for that. That being said, I don't think that we should have vaccine mandates when we

00:10:50.000 travel. And that's part of what the truckers and the convoy is standing for. The problem that we

00:10:56.000 have is that we've got politicians who've been led by polls all the way along. So we've had this

00:11:00.960 terrible cycle where the politicians get up and say, oh my gosh, be afraid, be very, very afraid,

00:11:05.080 be very afraid. Then their medical officers come up and say, oh my goodness, it's terrible. You

00:11:08.840 got to be afraid. You got to be very, very afraid. So then the media says, we're going to be very

00:11:13.060 afraid and you should be too. And then they do a poll and it says, it validates, we need more

00:11:17.100 restrictions. And so then it goes back to the politicians and we end up with this cycle. That's

00:11:20.900 why as much as I'm frustrated that the legacy media has not given the balance that I think is

00:11:27.040 out there and is important and why everyone's taken by surprise by this, it begins with political

00:11:32.060 leadership. Political leaders could have looked at the data. They could have looked at what was

00:11:36.820 happening elsewhere in the world, and they could have started charting a course to get people more

00:11:41.560 comfortable with the idea that there's a different way of doing this. I mean, look at the UK, Denmark,

00:11:46.140 Sweden, Norway. If they've managed to find a pathway out of restrictions, why are we pretending

00:11:51.740 that Canada, for some reason, is not going to be able to? And so I predict that we're going to see

00:11:57.360 a couple of things. We're going to see again a major backlash with the measures that Jason

00:12:04.540 Kenney announces today. And what I'm worried about is because he's not talking the talk and

00:12:10.780 he's not bringing people along with him, are we going to do the seesaw back and forth, 180 degree

00:12:16.480 turns that we've seen out of his leadership for the last two years? That's where the lack of trust

00:12:20.220 is. I need to, I'll watch the, for his comments today, but I've been talking to MLAs and it has

00:12:26.460 been a knockdown, drag out fight behind the scenes, trying to get the premier and the health

00:12:32.020 minister in particular to move forward, realizing that these restrictions have got to go. They no

00:12:36.440 longer have public support. And so I don't know which side has actually won that debate yet. We'll

00:12:41.460 find out when we see the press conference. It's amazing to me, Danielle, and Rob, we'll toss it

00:12:47.440 over to you. It's amazing to me that the MLAs seem pretty much unified. I mean, I suppose there are

00:12:53.760 some few that would suggest that we need to keep these mandates and restrictions in place. But

00:12:59.220 the MLAs are hearing from the people and the people are saying move on. So you would you would

00:13:04.460 expect the premier to follow that advice, no? You know, caucus democracy in this in this country is

00:13:13.520 is really, I would just say party democracy is at a real crisis point. You've probably had the same

00:13:20.900 conversations with MLAs that I have. It is almost unanimous that this in Alberta, between the MLAs

00:13:28.200 that this program the vaccine program needs to passport program needs to come down and yet the

00:13:35.120 the premier has dithered and has denied it and has you know refused to be at caucus on certain days

00:13:42.040 or just coming in for a couple of minutes and then and then leaving without the vote happening

00:13:46.960 and so forth you know it just it's really something else it's bad enough that we don't

00:13:52.340 have free votes in the legislature on issues but now it seems that it doesn't even matter what your

00:13:56.480 caucus wants it's what the leader wants and uh you know i'm i just think uh you know i'm hoping

00:14:02.040 things will will will change here in alberta in the next couple months and hopefully certainly

00:14:06.520 and uh federally it looks like it is already starting to change which is good to see well

00:14:12.020 let me pose this question uh danielle to you uh you both raise great points uh the caucus

00:14:17.780 seems seems unified uh mlas are hearing from their constituents and that's you think where

00:14:23.840 one should be making their decisions based upon. That's why we govern. However, the premier is

00:14:30.840 listening to the bureaucrats in Alberta Health Services and the government officials as well,

00:14:35.960 who present a different side of the story. And I'm not justifying that and suggesting for a

00:14:41.240 second that he should be listening to that group. But do you think that's part of the problem? He

00:14:45.000 gets it in one ear from all those freedom fighters saying, let's move forward. And then the other

00:14:49.040 is, oh, there's big trouble on the horizon if we do. Well, and it is true and a sad reality that

00:14:56.200 we face today, the governance by public opinion polls. I mean, I think what you need is somebody

00:15:01.840 to come in with a base of principles that you can then have a pretty good idea of how it is they're

00:15:07.380 going to respond when an issue comes up. And I thought, I think we thought we had that when we

00:15:11.540 elected a UCP government. And that's what it has taken everyone by surprise. When I look at how

00:15:17.560 this issue is unfolding in other conservative jurisdictions, we are completely offside with

00:15:23.100 that. And it's never made sense to me because we have more conservative governments than we have

00:15:28.920 liberal or left-wing governments. Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, the

00:15:34.380 CAC used to be seen to be a conservative government. Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, someone just reminded

00:15:39.480 me, PEI as well. And why haven't they gotten together and talked about a conservative approach

00:15:45.860 to ending this? Why is everybody just walking in lockstep with what the prime minister has said?

00:15:50.960 I think that's sort of the biggest disappointment to me is, as Rob points out, it has really all

00:15:55.860 been leader-led, and the leaders aren't even collaborating or cooperating with each other.

00:16:00.720 They all seem to be captive to their chief medical officers. And I don't know if we ever

00:16:06.280 really understood how much power there was in the Public Health Act. The Public Health Act was

00:16:10.500 written when we had typhoid and when we had cholera and when we had smallpox. And it was designed to

00:16:16.120 give extraordinary powers to the chief medical officer to deal with very localized, serious,

00:16:22.280 acute cases. It was never intended to be applied on a broad-based measure across the entire province

00:16:28.340 in all circumstances for two years. That's a misapplication of the law. And I have no idea

00:16:34.740 why the governments haven't gotten onto this and started reining in the power of the public health

00:16:39.480 officials. I want to be able to save some time to talk about COOTS and what's happening there.

00:16:45.240 Rob, frankly, I'm surprised that you haven't, or maybe both of you, saddled up and

00:16:50.120 written down to see what's going on. It's been quite the Freedom Convoy in COOTS as well.

00:16:59.000 Yeah, it has. And I think it's a beautiful thing. I just think that the whole Freedom Convoy,

00:17:07.200 and that would include what's going on at coots and in capitals around the around the country

00:17:12.440 right now and now around the world as people are copying canada of all things um is one of the most

00:17:17.320 important uh i would say events uh certainly in recent canadian history and i would say canadian

00:17:24.180 political history because it's a canadians are not like this you know we're the peace order and

00:17:28.540 good government crew uh most of the time and to uh we we we're very deferential to our authority

00:17:35.180 in most cases and to see the nation rise up like this peacefully but effectively real effectively

00:17:43.420 and say you know what until this is solved we're going to make life a little bit miserable and

00:17:48.860 we're going to use our peaceful protest powers of peaceful protest to make sure that we're heard

00:17:54.240 and you know we're not we're not going to take no for an answer and they're being persistent

00:17:59.620 The question and the fear that I have now is, particularly in Ottawa, is what does Justin Trudeau do? I mean, he, in my view, is close to a, he has very tyrannical leanings, let's put it that way.

00:18:16.840 And his rhetoric is dangerous. It's hateful. He continually tries to make these truckers, turn these truckers, paint these truckers as white supremacists, as obviously racist, violent people, which they're not.

00:18:33.740 And I'm hoping that the nightmare scenario doesn't happen where he does something like in the southern U.S. where he six the dogs on these good people and gets the military involved and all of the awful things that could happen there.

00:18:49.680 That is, I think, the question for this week.

00:18:53.200 That's what I'll be watching to see if this this semi tyrannical leader that we have decides to go a bridge too far.

00:19:00.860 all right danielle coots and uh and trudeau you know it's i would love rob to talk to talk a bit

00:19:07.520 about this because he's the lawyer and i'm not but this whole phrase of peace order and good

00:19:12.480 government i think it's become a shorthand to the federal government can do whatever the heck it

00:19:16.840 wants and we just have to be peaceful and orderly about it and that's not in my view what it should

00:19:21.440 mean it means that there's a social contract between governments and their people and yes

00:19:26.760 we will have peace and order, but we also expect to have good government. And it's not good

00:19:32.340 government to have policies in place that cause us to isolate and ostracize our friends and our

00:19:38.180 family and our co-workers for months and months on end with no end in sight. I mean, that's the

00:19:43.600 thing that has really troubled me about the vaccine mandates and the vaccine passports is

00:19:48.420 no one was very clear about when or if they would ever end. And you don't make a permanent firing

00:19:54.860 decision for somebody who has been a veteran employee on the basis of what is supposed to

00:20:00.160 be a temporary measure. That's what I think is causing the truckers to not back down because I

00:20:05.540 think that this has been the issue is we've never seen a pathway out. And to Rob's point, perhaps

00:20:11.800 it's because there is no pathway out because there hasn't been any thought given to when this

00:20:17.480 would come to an end. We all know that Pfizer is working on yet another repurposing or retooling

00:20:22.960 of its vaccine so it can address omicron well omicron has already gone through and so what's

00:20:27.600 the next variant is this how it's going to be that these passports get turned on and off with every

00:20:32.480 new variant until you're getting two or three jabs a year that that's what people are fighting

00:20:37.520 the other thing that people are fighting is that it's not just about whether the truckers can go

00:20:42.240 cross-border because remember the federal government has said they want every federally

00:20:47.040 regulated industry to have vaccine mandates so that's broadcast media radio and television

00:20:53.360 broadcast media is all the telecom companies it's all of the grain elevators it's the ports

00:20:58.480 it's um it's the banks and so are we going to get to a point where to be able to get a bank account

00:21:04.880 you're going to have to be vaccinated because you won't be able to walk in the door i have no idea

00:21:09.040 but the fact that this is just this is the line in the sand that's been drawn because the federal

00:21:14.400 government has so much more planned. They have so much more coming. And I think this is the reason

00:21:20.260 why we want to see this win. We want to see it win so that they don't end up rolling out the full

00:21:24.520 plan. And we want to see it win at Coups so that Jason Kenney, Scott Moe together become the first

00:21:30.120 premiers to turn it around at the provincial level so that other premiers will follow.

00:21:34.880 Legal opinion, Rob, on some of that?

00:21:36.560 Well, I agree with what Daniel said on this.

00:21:42.540 I think that it is peace, order, and good government.

00:21:46.240 And when there's not good government, that's the social contract that's broken.

00:21:50.240 But there's something that people need to be really concerned about.

00:21:54.320 And I don't want to be seen as trying to whip up emotions or be hysterical or paranoid or anything like that.

00:22:01.880 But there have been some very, I don't know, like Orwellian, 1984 Orwellian things that have happened here in the last couple of years, particularly in the last few months.

00:22:13.400 Like even on this trucker convoy, the fact that the government was able to essentially force Facebook and GoFundMe to go fund these case to pull the funding that had been raised for these truckers to pull down the they were able to shut down the group on Facebook a couple of times.

00:22:32.420 um there all of the qr codes everything else this has been a bit of a practice a bit of an activity

00:22:38.780 for the for the i would say for the woke left for the federal liberal party which is the

00:22:43.620 representative of the woke left as far as i'm concerned to uh to practice or to test drive

00:22:50.400 uh certain control measures over the media uh over funding uh of their opposition uh over over

00:22:58.160 cutting funding of opposition to their to their platform and what they believe the way that

00:23:02.800 they've treated doctors and and and and all sorts of people that have come out against

00:23:08.140 their their policies and so forth and I think that if you want to talk about the next variant

00:23:14.320 yes there is the next variant one of the other next issues is going to be climate change it's

00:23:19.060 going to be the climate crisis and don't be surprised I'm telling you right now do not be

00:23:24.020 surprised if these same methods are used to restrict movement, to restrict how much you

00:23:30.640 can travel, to restrict what you can drive. These passports are not, these are things that

00:23:37.580 the left believes are necessary in order to deal with controlling the population, to deal with

00:23:44.520 problems that they see as problems, whether that be health problems, whether that be the climate

00:23:51.700 crisis as they as they term it these are dangerous things and that's why i think right now it is

00:23:56.800 critical that conservatives see this for what it is see it for the danger that that it is and and 0.68

00:24:02.400 put a stop to it whether that be a coots in ottawa or anywhere else and these premiers these

00:24:06.820 conservative premiers they need to be the first ones in line to to put a stop at a provincial

00:24:12.320 level well he's got me scared daniel uh how about you you know the funny thing is though rob a lot

00:24:19.380 of people are kicking the same things around on social media and everywhere else that you're

00:24:22.480 saying. So you're not saying what a lot of people aren't thinking. It is frightening though.

00:24:28.000 And it is frightening because, you know, I've started watching this social credit

00:24:32.360 scoring develop in China a few years ago. So I know what Rob is talking about and the fact that

00:24:39.100 it is on the ground being implemented in places in China where they can monitor with facial

00:24:46.220 recognition software to identify citizens so that you can get a score based on how good a citizen

00:24:52.700 you are and then that impacts your ability to get lending it impacts your ability to travel freely

00:24:58.300 it impacts your ability to leave the country if if one country is doing it and we're adopting some of

00:25:04.220 the same control mechanisms i don't think we should be surprised that some people are worried

00:25:08.540 that that's the direction that the government wants to go i mean didn't i don't know if we

00:25:12.300 talked about this before but didn't mastercard roll out a a card that is linked to how much co2

00:25:19.900 emissions they track you consuming and then it turns off once you've got to a certain level of

00:25:23.980 co2 emissions i guess it's like a gas card or something and nope that's it for you i guess you

00:25:28.140 you do zoom meetings for the rest of the work year once you run out of once you run out of credit so

00:25:33.020 i i think that they're the i think they are linked and the fact and the reason rob links them is

00:25:39.180 because the left is linking them they're talking about these two things uh being equivalent that

00:25:43.740 this is the kind of measure that we need to see on the on the climate front because humans face

00:25:49.500 an existential crisis is how they're putting it to to us and if that's the case then wouldn't you

00:25:54.300 want to take these kinds of extreme measures i think what they didn't anticipate though is that

00:25:59.980 just the severely normal canadian the severely normal albertan could only be pushed so far

00:26:06.060 you can push and you can justify and you can say okay well i can take this measure

00:26:10.540 because i want to be able to go see my kids play sports or i want to be able to go see my sick

00:26:16.620 mother in the u.s but once they've gotten to a point where they they pushed a person past the

00:26:22.460 point where they can't justify it to themselves anymore i i didn't expect the breaking point to

00:26:28.620 be this big we've seen convoys in the past on different issues but i i think they've pushed

00:26:34.140 the the majority now of canadians past the breaking point and to rob's point i just i have

00:26:40.940 a lot more confidence in premiers at being able to turn back the dial on this i'm not so sure

00:26:46.620 about the prime minister um so the question will be does he get replaced there's already some

00:26:51.180 rumblings at the federal level about uh whether or not he's going to survive his leadership i mean

00:26:56.140 i don't think that you can escape the capital and go hole yourself up in a private residence and do

00:27:01.420 and do zoom press conferences because you're afraid of the people i don't know that you can

00:27:05.660 come back from that i mean perhaps the only way to change the channel is for the federal liberals

00:27:10.380 to realize the writing on the wall and to change their leader in the same way that the conservatives

00:27:14.620 did we've seen an immediate change of tone out of the conservatives with their change in leadership

00:27:18.460 maybe that's what we should be looking for at the federal level level with the liberals great points

00:27:23.180 um look partisan shots aside uh the way that the prem the way that the prime minister has handled

00:27:29.820 this defies leadership. It is absolutely the opposite of what a good leader would do. He's

00:27:37.580 not been in the trenches. He has not met with these folks. He has not tried to do anything to

00:27:44.300 bring down the temperature with this. In fact, he's increased it. Guys, we're running out of

00:27:48.780 time. I want to turn to you for final comments, Rob. I want to start with you. How does this end

00:27:53.920 and where do you see this playing out?

00:27:57.820 Well, hopefully it ends peacefully.

00:28:00.740 I think everyone's hoping that,

00:28:03.000 and I can guarantee it won't be the truckers

00:28:05.400 that are the reason if something bad happens.

00:28:09.540 I mean, you can just see the desperation

00:28:11.740 in the prime minister's eyes.

00:28:13.560 And as Jordan Peterson has said,

00:28:16.160 if you've checked out his incredible podcast

00:28:18.520 on this issue, the interview that he just gave,

00:28:21.680 um justin trudeau is incapable of telling the truth everything he says is acting and this guy

00:28:28.320 is uh is a dangerous dude so and and i and i and i don't use that uh those words lightly uh he has

00:28:36.200 um leanings that if he doesn't get his way uh he will he's the type of person that will do

00:28:43.440 desperate things so i think we're all worried about that but if if the truck if any truckers

00:28:47.980 are listening in ottawa or anywhere else i would just say hold the line stay calm do not get goaded

00:28:53.460 into any kind of violence or fight by uh by you know plain people in plain clothes or otherwise

00:28:59.580 that uh may be there for a nefarious purpose and then to the leaders in this country and and i

00:29:05.920 think the federal conservatives have done a great job of this uh since they left uh since o'toole

00:29:10.840 was ejected but to premier kenny and premier mo in particular come on again quoting jordan

00:29:17.760 Peterson, seize the moment, show some leadership. You know, we've been lied to for the better part

00:29:25.260 of a couple years now. There's no excuse that, oh, this is new and we don't know what we're

00:29:29.700 dealing with. We have the science. We know what we're dealing with. We know how dangerous it is

00:29:34.000 and we know who it's dangerous to and we know about variants and how the virus mutates. So show

00:29:38.760 leadership, just like DeSantis in Florida and Abbott in Texas and others. And if you do, I think

00:29:44.440 uh those leaders that do show leadership on this going forward are going to be rewarded but that's

00:29:49.080 how i hope it ends here here danielle um i i hope what happens today is that the premier makes

00:29:56.760 aggressive as rick bell has written bullish changes towards the policy so that we know a

00:30:02.600 clear pathway and a quick pathway to ending all of the restrictions it looks like they're going

00:30:07.240 in that direction and if there is i would hope that the the coots convoy at least would redirect

00:30:13.480 their efforts to ottawa i think that politicians need to see that there is some reward for the

00:30:20.840 action but if they find another reason to say okay well now that we've won in alberta we're going to

00:30:25.160 keep on blocking this border because we're mad at ottawa i think that that might stall progress

00:30:30.280 so i hope that there's some quiet back channel that has opened up to the the trucking convoy

00:30:34.840 leaders i've spoken to uh to one of the leaders down there to understand what what it is that

00:30:38.760 they are hoping to achieve my sense of it is that their efforts are depressed for change in alberta

00:30:45.240 and if they do get that change in alberta then ottawa's is really going to be the next target

00:30:50.520 because i think that there's this dance that gets played where politicians are fearful they don't

00:30:56.840 want to give the idea that the only reason they're responding is because of this sort of pressure

00:31:03.400 That being said, heck, I mean, Joe Vipond and Darren Marklin were two of the most outspoken

00:31:09.080 doctors who were, you know, what did they have? Tiny protests. And that was enough to sway the

00:31:14.180 government in one direction. If this isn't an expression of where the general public is,

00:31:18.240 that's kind of what politicians need to respond to. They shouldn't look at this as if it's just

00:31:22.920 the leaders of the convoy that are doing this activity. What they should interpret this is

00:31:29.680 that this is what the people want.

00:31:32.060 And if we can get some kind of demonstration

00:31:34.640 that there is an easing of restrictions,

00:31:37.700 therefore an easing of the protests,

00:31:39.420 that then charts the pathway forward

00:31:40.900 for other premiers and the prime minister

00:31:43.440 for dealing with this.

00:31:45.000 Great, great way to leave it, Rob, Danielle.

00:31:47.440 Thank you both for joining us today on Uncensored.

00:31:50.260 We'll do it again soon.

00:31:51.800 And I would just add, as we say goodbye,

00:31:54.360 a nation is awake.

00:31:56.340 Canadians are awake.

00:31:57.740 And it's good to see.

00:31:58.860 and may remain peaceful.

00:32:01.180 And hopefully we find a way out of this mess

00:32:04.180 and we can move forward with our lives.

00:32:05.500 Again, Rob, Danielle, thank you.

00:32:06.900 And thank you all for watching.

00:32:08.600 We'll see you next time.

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Western Standard - February 08, 2022

UNCENSORED： What’s going on in Ottawa, In Coutts, and behind the scenes？

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