Western Standard - Unions in Alberta have declared war on direct democracy

00:00:00.000 Good day.

00:00:28.940 welcome to the cory morgan show getting towards the end of november and winter finally bloody

00:00:33.900 arrived you know i like to complain and piss and moan about all sorts of things and winter is one

00:00:38.540 of them it's nothing that can be changed despite the climate change clowns claiming otherwise

00:00:43.340 but it's still something i can't stand but whatever just got to get over it and deal with it

00:00:47.500 so guys for those watching live i see wild rose there you know get in there use the comment sends

00:00:52.300 questions my way comments if you're watching this on cowboy channel or rfd tv well this is

00:00:58.940 recently recorded and you can come in if you like but we're not there anymore thanks for watching

00:01:03.740 uh let's see we've got warren kinsella coming on in a little while he's going to talk about a book

00:01:08.620 he's got upcoming it'll be an interesting conversation about more the organized

00:01:13.180 misinformation campaign going on with regards to that whole mess in the middle east and israel

00:01:18.380 let's see what else we got going on the AGM I'll talk a little bit about that for those in Alberta

00:01:24.480 with the Wildrose party Wildrose holy cow I'm out of date United Conservative Party we change

00:01:30.060 parties all the time one way or another trying to be conservative and you know this ties into a bit

00:01:34.060 of what I'm going to go on about right now and that's uh our recall act and citizens initiated

00:01:40.340 referenda that sort of thing it's been a long road for Albertans to get legislation for direct

00:01:44.640 democracy, allowing city citizens to initiate referenda and to recall elected officials.

00:01:50.700 Some history here, guys. In 1936, the Social Credit government at the time brought in recall

00:01:54.420 legislation only to repeal it once it was used against their own leader. In 2021, the UCP under

00:01:59.260 Jason Kenney brought in recall and referendum legislation to keep a promise, but he purposely

00:02:03.560 set the bar so high it could never be realistically used. So early this year, the UCP government under

00:02:09.300 Daniel Smith amended the legislation to set realistic bars for initiatives. Now, Alberta's

00:02:14.780 organized labor movement's trying to blow the legislation up. Recall legislation for elected

00:02:19.480 officials is a great concept, but setting the bar for initiating it is tough. I mean, it has to be

00:02:24.100 high enough to avoid frivolous recalls, but low enough to be accomplished if an elected official

00:02:29.380 has managed to upset enough of their constituents that there's just no other way to get rid of them.

00:02:33.620 It is intended to be a legislation of last resort. I mean, if a person who's in elected

00:02:38.060 position has gone so far off the rails, done something so terrible that most of their local

00:02:42.440 constituents want them out of office before the next election. At least recall becomes a choice.

00:02:47.020 If you want an example, search Dar Hetherington. It's a really interesting case from Lethbridge

00:02:52.800 a few years back because she stayed in as crazy as she was and those poor voters could not get 1.00

00:02:57.520 rid of her. It's not meant to be used every time an elected person votes away that local activists

00:03:01.680 still care for, however, and that's what's happening right now. So despite being offered

00:03:05.920 a generous settlement, Alberta's teachers union was insisted on staying on strike while never

00:03:09.740 clearly expressing their demands. Alberta's children were suffering due to lost classes and

00:03:13.960 negotiations were to stalemate. So the UCP was forced to legislate the teachers back to work.

00:03:19.500 Well, Alberta unions, through their activist swings, the Alberta Federation of Labor and

00:03:23.860 Public Interest of Alberta, decided to push back on this through abusing the recall legislation.

00:03:28.540 They're initiating recall petitions against numerous UCP MLAs and may eventually try it

00:03:33.280 against them all. Most, if not all, of these petitions are going to fail, and I'll explain why.

00:03:39.580 The union-backed recall initiatives were inspired by disgraced former Redford MLA Thomas Lukasik's

00:03:45.440 referendum petition. He garnered over 400,000 signatures, quite a feat from people asking to

00:03:51.280 hold a referendum about nothing. Lukasik's initiative was asking for Albertans to spend

00:03:55.980 the money and time to go to the polls to ask whether we want to keep things exactly how they

00:03:59.180 are today. It's a pointless question and amounts to a little more than a very expensive opinion

00:04:03.240 poll. Lukasik thought he was scoring points by using the system this way, but it might have

00:04:07.480 backfired on him because with the rephrasing of his proposed question, he might have inadvertently

00:04:12.100 initiated a separation referendum in Alberta. Now, referendum legislation is in place to allow

00:04:17.220 Bertans a chance to vote on issues when they become so important or contentious that it's

00:04:21.800 best to put it to everybody rather than just legislators. Lukasik's initiative ignored the

00:04:27.320 spirit of that. That said, it was an impressive feat to gather so many signatures. Well, let's not

00:04:31.620 pretend he didn't accomplish that without a great deal of help from Alberta's unions.

00:04:35.100 When petitioning for a referendum, the petitioners can come from anywhere in Alberta, and the

00:04:39.400 signatories can be from anywhere in Alberta. That allowed Lukasik to focus in highly unionized

00:04:44.340 areas and zones where discontent with the UCP was evident in the polls. Recall legislation's

00:04:49.200 different. With recall legislation, not only must the people signing the petition live in the

00:04:53.480 constituency of the person being targeted by the recall, but everybody working on the campaign

00:04:58.620 must live in the constituency as well. It's supposed to be a local effort, and if petitioning

00:05:03.000 appears to have been funded or operated by outside help, the recall can be declared void.

00:05:09.200 Petitioners must register with Elections Alberta. Nobody should be found without an ID badge proving

00:05:13.200 they are registered and local. The unions can't bust people or money into the targeted constituencies.

00:05:19.460 In some of the constituencies, they're simply wasting time. You've targeted Alberta Highwood,

00:05:23.280 for example. Conservatives always finish with a report around 70% or higher there and it's not

00:05:27.580 going to be changing. There's no way a recall campaign will succeed there and it amounts to

00:05:31.960 nothing more than waste of time and basically harassment. What these initiatives do accomplish

00:05:36.860 though is overload Elections Alberta. The head of Elections Alberta asked for $14 million to deal

00:05:40.980 with this. Now we should have some questions about that too because that sounds rather high

00:05:44.200 when you consider the Gondek recall effort cost under $100,000 for the city of Calgary to deal

00:05:48.280 with. But still these initiatives will be a pain in the ass for Elections Alberta to deal with even 0.91

00:05:52.080 if they greatly exaggerated the cost to them. It has to be up to citizens in the end, guys. That's 0.94

00:05:57.720 what it's about. So watch closely and report. If you see a person petitioning in your area without

00:06:01.380 an ID badge, don't sign petitions out of politeness. This is serious business. Of course, if you really

00:06:06.280 think it's critical, your MLA must be recalled. Well, it's your right to pursue it. Just stay

00:06:09.960 within the rules. Direct democracy can be great. It works fantastically in Switzerland, but the

00:06:14.540 process must be respected. Got to stand up and ensure unions don't kill the legislation as it's 0.76

00:06:20.920 just getting out of the gate, guys. It's sad, but one thing unions hate, democracy, and it shows.

00:06:26.940 All right, well, that's got me wound up today. What else is happening out there? We got our

00:06:30.200 news editor, Dave Naylor, to bring us up today. Yeah, you got a big list. I'm sorry I ran too

00:06:34.100 long. I know. Holy cow. Keep the segment right up. Speaking of elections, I hear you were one of the

00:06:39.200 top issues at a recent election on the Sixth Secret Reserve. Yeah, I've been getting word

00:06:43.840 about that from a fellow who lives on there. They're still quite upset with my trespassing

00:06:48.100 case going on out there, which now the next court hearing is in January sometime. It's just going

00:06:53.700 to go on and on and on. But yeah, the chief on his reelection apparently has spoken on how he's

00:07:00.480 going to crack down on fellows like that Corey Morgan guy and keep them from exposing whatever

00:07:04.740 happened with the $1.2 billion that they got recently. Exactly. And where can people see

00:07:08.580 your video again? It's on YouTube. If you search out Corey Morgan, and then I got a lot of videos

00:07:12.920 I put on there. So if you just kind of scroll through them, you'll find one of them. I think

00:07:15.880 called it a critical tour of the Siksika Reserve or Prairie Reserve or something like that.

00:07:19.480 Yeah, it's a good watch. I've seen it. And you're welcome for the plug.

00:07:23.160 I do appreciate it. Do you mind if I get on with the news now? Well, sorry, I don't mean to distract.

00:07:27.240 There we go. Let's start in all places, Hong Kong, where there's a real life towering inferno

00:07:32.680 going on. It's erupted involving like up to seven high rise buildings, saying 36 people dead already

00:07:40.120 and hundreds up to 300 missing so it's a real terrible scenes uh there in hong kong

00:07:46.200 uh the quebec government has introduced a bill to ban religious symbols and no more prayer rooms in

00:07:52.360 universities and uh restrictions on halal food and that pesky little thing called the notwithstanding 0.99

00:07:59.400 clause that's what they're going to use to uh to push it through yeah but it's a right when quebec

00:08:04.040 does it when alberta does it exactly exactly uh the big celebration of light fireworks festival

00:08:11.160 in vancouver is being cancelled uh hundreds of thousands of people go to that on a nightly basis

00:08:16.360 but apparently uh they're out of money so uh vancouver is now the city that fun forgot

00:08:22.280 well yeah people want to see it back reach into their pockets i guess there you go

00:08:26.680 uh speaking of bc the one bc leader dallas brody uh introduced a bill into the legislature yesterday

00:08:34.040 banning all pride flags and flags of all nations from B.C. public buildings.

00:08:39.880 Kind of like what Jeremy Forkus wants to do in Calgary.

00:08:43.280 But that didn't pass first reading.

00:08:47.320 Melanie Jolie, remember this big Stellantis deal, $15 billion from the Liberals?

00:08:53.160 Melanie Jolie, the industry minister, has been revealed she didn't even read the contract.

00:08:58.440 Well, could she?

00:08:59.520 I mean, deep reading isn't really, yeah.

00:09:02.100 There'd be some big words in there.

00:09:03.440 But yeah, I mean, she's out there defending the contract.

00:09:07.740 I mean, 3,000 jobs are going to be lost now,

00:09:09.640 but she's out there defending the contract and she hasn't even read it.

00:09:14.980 Speaking of fake, you remember that big press conference Mark Carney did

00:09:18.840 in front of a, it looked like a home that was under construction

00:09:21.620 to announce the Canada Homes Building Project.

00:09:24.860 Turns out that was all a scam, fraud.

00:09:27.660 The home was fake.

00:09:28.840 It was just put up like the night before.

00:09:31.440 And right after the press conference was over, it was taken down at a cost of $30,000.

00:09:38.140 And our energy expert, Dave Winnick, is taking a look at the, you know, times running out on Venezuela and Maduro.

00:09:45.560 And he's going one way or the other, as Trump says, the easy way or the hard way.

00:09:50.620 But when he goes, that's going to be very bad news for Alberta and specifically the oil industry.

00:09:56.780 because all of Venezuela's heavy oil will be flowing into those refineries in the southern states

00:10:04.120 and Alberta could be left on the outside looking in. 0.71

00:10:07.500 Well, it would seem one of the better ways to avoid that trouble would be

00:10:09.940 if we got a pipeline to a coast somewhere and we can actually send it to another refinery.

00:10:14.120 I don't know.

00:10:15.820 That's just radical thinking, Corey.

00:10:18.080 Yeah, I guess.

00:10:18.820 Radical thinking.

00:10:19.540 Sorry about that.

00:10:20.040 It'll never happen because the natives are against it. 0.98

00:10:22.980 Yeah, well, I'm going to talk a little bit about that later too.

00:10:25.740 I'll bet you do.

00:10:26.780 It's a sad state of affairs.

00:10:29.800 Sorry, go ahead.

00:10:30.720 Oh, nothing.

00:10:31.640 Are you all packed for Edmonton?

00:10:33.000 That's what I was going to mention.

00:10:34.140 Yeah, we're carpooling together.

00:10:35.640 We are.

00:10:36.180 Are you bringing your swimsuit?

00:10:37.880 No.

00:10:38.640 No?

00:10:38.920 The world doesn't deserve to see that site up there.

00:10:41.600 Okay, I won't pack my Borat mankini then.

00:10:44.300 Oh, well, by all means, don't let me stop you.

00:10:47.760 We're not bunking together, so I don't have to see it.

00:10:49.880 No, that's true.

00:10:50.560 All right.

00:10:51.300 Look forward to it.

00:10:52.160 But, yes, a set reminder, folks, the UCPA GM, you want to meet Dave.

00:10:56.340 That's the place.

00:10:56.780 Yes.

00:10:57.320 Oh, yeah.

00:10:58.420 We're bringing the whole gang from the Calgary headquarters.

00:11:01.500 So it'll be, and you're going to talk about it too.

00:11:04.080 We're going to be hosting the biggest party in town.

00:11:05.800 Yes.

00:11:06.420 As always, the hospitality suite.

00:11:09.320 So I'll give people a little bit of updates on how AGMs work.

00:11:11.540 There's a lot of first-timers this last few years.

00:11:13.060 They're getting so big now.

00:11:14.040 Exactly.

00:11:14.880 One in 3,000 people going to this one, I think.

00:11:17.240 Yeah, and it was something like five or six last year.

00:11:19.120 But still, I mean, 3,000 in Edmonton, that's something else.

00:11:21.380 In the middle of winter, yeah.

00:11:22.280 Yeah.

00:11:23.140 All right.

00:11:23.660 Well, I appreciate the update.

00:11:25.080 I'll let you get back to the newsroom.

00:11:26.100 I know you've got to get a bunch of content up there before the weekend when you have to run off for this affair.

00:11:31.100 Indeed, it'll be a busy week.

00:11:32.600 Right on.

00:11:33.220 All right, thanks, Dave.

00:11:33.920 You bet, Corey.

00:11:34.500 All right.

00:11:35.400 Yes, that is our news editor of this one.

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00:12:05.780 All right. Yeah. So, you know, let's talk about that AGM. Things have really changed in Alberta

00:12:11.580 as far as involved politics go. Like AGMs, even with the governing party, you know, when we were

00:12:18.460 talking back in the progressive conservative days, I think big ones were about 800 to a thousand

00:12:22.240 people. And that whole bar now is, as I said, 5,000, 6,000 showing up in Red Deer, 3,000 showing

00:12:29.020 up in Edmonton. Next year's is in Calgary. And it's great to see people getting in and taking

00:12:34.820 part. But, you know, it's good to see people if they're going for their first time too, if they

00:12:39.100 haven't gone to one, because they don't necessarily know what they're in for. Day one, there's going

00:12:43.740 to be a bit of speeches from some folks pursuing board positions. That's one of the things you as

00:12:48.820 a member will get to vote on, pick who's going to sit on certain board positions in the party itself.

00:12:53.800 Then that night, that's where the Western Standard has their big thing. At the Expo Center, there will

00:12:58.660 be a hospitality suite. Derek really blew the doors off it in Red Deer last year. People get

00:13:03.880 together. It's just one big party. There's often a fair amount of cheap or free liquor for those who

00:13:08.640 do indulge. And then I get to sit back and drink my Diet Coke and watch people overindulge. But

00:13:13.640 it's a good time. Part of it is the social networking, getting together with people

00:13:16.420 face-to-face, chatting, working on those things. Then the bleary-eyed, hungover souls will get

00:13:21.720 together on the Saturday and sit through policy and constitutional debates, which can be pretty

00:13:27.840 rough, but it needs to be done. The other thing, you know, as people go to these AGMs, you should

00:13:32.260 keep in mind that it's still, you're making your mark, but the caucus isn't bound by your policy

00:13:40.020 decisions. You know, if it's in the party policy, that's great, but caucus might vote otherwise

00:13:44.920 later. Still, it's the time for you as a member, if you're a member of a party, I'm not, but to get

00:13:49.980 in there and let them know how you feel the party should be going and what they should be doing when

00:13:55.480 they're in there. And it's your chance to meet some of the MLAs and other movers and shakers.

00:13:59.660 So be sure to come to the Western Standard Hospitality Suite or wherever we are. Come say

00:14:02.680 hi to Dave and the rest of us. We're going to be there for the weekend and chances are there'll be

00:14:07.300 a drink or two for those, as I said, who do indulge. It's going to be a lively one, if nothing

00:14:11.840 else so um let's see what else we were talking about yeah talking with uh indigenous rights

00:14:18.200 getting stuff to the coast getting pipelines you know that keeps coming up tomorrow is supposed

00:14:22.100 to be the the big announce announcement from premier smith and mark carney of a memorandum

00:14:27.600 of understanding to potentially possibly maybe kind of sorta get a pipeline from alberta to the

00:14:35.740 west coast. And, well, it's kind of everybody's more into an I believe it when I'll see it sort

00:14:42.260 of situation with that one. See, Carney's talking out of both sides of his mouth. I guess that's

00:14:47.420 typical for a liberal. I mean, he's saying he's supportive of infrastructure. He's saying he's

00:14:51.920 supportive of making Canada less dependent on the United States in the future, yet he won't stand up

00:14:57.360 and do his job as a prime minister and get these things done. Now, this memorandum of understanding,

00:15:04.200 if it doesn't at least clarify whether or not Indigenous people have a veto or David Eby

00:15:11.320 can stop this infrastructure. I mean, the consultation and respect in these negotiations

00:15:15.680 is, of course, important. But if they can't clarify that, guys, it's not getting through.

00:15:21.000 It's just spinning wheels and going through the motions. Either way, I'll talk a little bit about

00:15:25.320 that more in a little while. I see our guest in the lobby there. I've been looking forward to this.

00:15:29.900 This is Warren Kinsella. He's been a voice in Canadian politics for a long time, quite active back when the Liberal Party was a different sort of party.

00:15:39.420 I saw it as a respectable Liberal Party. I was a conservative at the time, but it was much different than what we look at today.

00:15:45.120 And he's been very outspoken on the misinformation coming out from, well, just the world in general when it comes to the Israel conflict going on in the Middle East.

00:15:53.860 and he's got a book coming up pretty soon called The Hidden Hand, The Information War and the Rise

00:15:58.520 of Anti-Semitic Propaganda. So let's bring him in and have a conversation on that. Hi, Warren,

00:16:03.440 thank you very much for joining us today. Thanks, Corey. Thanks for having me.

00:16:07.580 So, I mean, I guess I'll just start with the obvious question. You know, what inspired you

00:16:13.020 to get this book in the works and what do you feel really needs to be explained to people and

00:16:18.300 exposed in what really is a much bigger information war than a lot of people seem to realize?

00:16:22.660 Well, as you pointed out to your audience just a moment ago, you know, my background, I've worked in politics for many years when the Liberal Party was a Liberal Party and worked for Chrétien and ran his war rooms.

00:16:39.220 So I know a little bit, I think, about campaigns and how to how to spot one.

00:16:45.160 Maybe that's one of the only things I learned from politics is how to spot a campaign.

00:16:50.180 So at the third week of October 2023, after the terrible and horrific events of October 7th, what I started to observe, and this was, Corey, this was before even Israel entered Gaza, began their ground incursion into Gaza.

00:17:07.080 So before Israel had done anything in respect of Hamas, there were 2,500 protests around the world using identical signage, using identical chants and language, very organized organizers who clearly knew what they were doing.

00:17:27.680 and it looked to me like a professional political campaign and i spoke to friends i have on both the

00:17:34.980 left and the right and all of them had the same view and say absolutely this is a campaign

00:17:39.460 so the the book i've written for random house called the hidden hand which you kindly pointed

00:17:44.680 out is about that campaign i've got a documentary coming out about the same subject called the

00:17:50.860 campaign and it's both of them are coming out in february and um the events of the past few days

00:17:57.100 have you know reaffirmed my belief that this is absolutely not organic this is not a coincidence

00:18:03.740 this is an organized global campaign against israel against jews and against western democracy

00:18:11.340 and i guess something to cover with a lot of people we hear you know speaking up on social

00:18:15.580 media and saying you know this isn't our problem this is over there this is israel we don't need 1.00

00:18:20.860 to concern ourselves with it but this is spilling over here even if a person doesn't care and i mean

00:18:26.220 I mean, I was mortified with what I saw when I went over there and mortified with what I saw before I went over there.

00:18:30.900 But we can't afford to ignore this.

00:18:33.380 This is infiltrating our colleges.

00:18:34.960 This is infiltrating our urban streets in Canada, the United States, Europe.

00:18:38.640 Like this is a much broader thing than just where we're seeing the worst of the war in Israel.

00:18:43.920 Absolutely.

00:18:44.720 Absolutely.

00:18:45.400 You know, the old cliche and like a lot of cliches, it's true.

00:18:48.800 First, they come from the Saturday people and then they come from the Sunday people. 0.97

00:18:52.860 And I'm an Irish Catholic.

00:18:54.400 I'm a church going Catholic.

00:18:56.220 But I'm a Zionist because I believe that Israel, like Taiwan, like Ukraine, play a critical role in holding back the tide of autocrats and dictatorship and oppression around the world.

00:19:12.640 So to me, strategically, it's critically important that Israel remains strong and remains a beacon of democracy in a sea of tyranny in the Middle East.

00:19:23.240 But, you know, what's become evident since October 7th is there has been a confluence of far left and Marxist elements who are extreme and in some cases violent and also Islamist, jihadist pro-Hamas elements.

00:19:43.140 and they've come together in a bit of an unholy alliance to destabilize and to delegitimize

00:19:50.480 Israel, but also to destabilize Western democracy. I think a lot of people, as you point out, 0.74

00:19:56.860 have lulled themselves into thinking, oh, it's just about the Jews. It's just about them. I 0.83

00:20:00.900 don't need to worry about it. And that is not so. That is not the case. And what's become quite

00:20:06.120 evident is that these people are organizing against all of us, and it's incumbent upon

00:20:10.960 all of us to stand shoulder to shoulder with our Jewish brothers and sisters and protect them

00:20:16.480 against what is an anti-Semitic wave, but also protect Western democracy and our way of life.

00:20:23.440 Well, and that thinly veiled anti-Semitism, I'd like to cloak the amount of hate,

00:20:28.080 even though it's so thinly veiled it's hard to hide, but to use the word Zionist as a substitute

00:20:32.000 for Jew. A lot of people I think don't necessarily even understand what Zionism

00:20:35.680 sounds, what it means. I mean, they've turned it into a term as if it's some sort of extreme

00:20:40.080 position. I mean, at its very core, the bottom line is, do you support Israel's right to exist?

00:20:45.360 If that's the case, then to a degree, you're a Zionist. And people have to understand the 0.84

00:20:48.880 opponents in this case want Israel wiped off the map. They don't want a two-state solution. They

00:20:53.440 don't want to see actual peace. They want nothing less than the complete elimination of Israel as 0.91

00:20:58.960 an independent state. And now you raise an important point. Let's examine that word,

00:21:03.920 zionist why am i a zionist you know my daughter's indigenous my daughter is a citizen of the car 0.86

00:21:11.200 cross target first nation in the yukon and i believe that she has an she and uh the other

00:21:18.480 members of that that band have an inalienable right to the land that has been theirs you know

00:21:25.840 for millennia and she's indigenous to that place and i support her in that just as i support jews

00:21:35.440 you know the that's what it means to be zionist it's believing the people who are indigenous to

00:21:40.560 a certain place deserve to be indigenous to that place and you know what the far left and what

00:21:49.600 these jihadist elements have done very successfully is equate zionism with racism and you know no 0.51

00:21:57.120 less an authority than dr martin luther king pointed out because he was a zionist as well

00:22:02.880 is when you're talking about anti-zionism you're really talking about racism when you say that you

00:22:08.000 oppose um zionism you're really an anti-semite and that's no less an authority than dr king 0.51

00:22:15.200 So, you know, I think that people really need to look at what these terms mean.

00:22:19.740 It just simply means that Jews have a homeland like everybody else does.

00:22:25.140 And they're entitled to this tiny, tiny piece of the Middle East and that they deserve to be able to defend themselves. 0.84

00:22:33.480 And, you know, that's all that it means to be a Zionist. 0.51

00:22:36.380 So with this misinformation and its impacting elected officials, I mean, this is a big battle going on.

00:22:42.800 I watched a while back, actually, a documentary on the Yom Kippur War, and it was funny how you could basically just change the dates and see the international reaction to Israel defending itself was exactly the same. Within days of them being attacked, Israel defending itself, and then the world all screaming, you've got to stop, you've got to stop, you've got to stop.

00:23:01.500 how do you counter that? That's what you're working on. I'm getting to the soul of your book.

00:23:07.940 How do we counter the misinformation or counter the narrative that's really so broken right now

00:23:13.560 with this issue? Well, Golda Meir, who was the original Iron Lady of politics, who was the 0.97

00:23:19.500 Prime Minister of Israel at the time of the Yom Kippur War, said most memorably, I'm not quoting

00:23:24.560 her exactly but you know it's much better to be a jew who is isolated and vilified than to be 0.88

00:23:32.160 somebody who's dead and admired and you know i think that is both of us have been to israel

00:23:37.520 on missions for the media and we've seen that that they they regret they are sad about the fact that

00:23:44.800 so much of the world has turned against them for all kinds of reasons that you and i can discuss

00:23:50.960 but they are determined to survive and you know that is they're right that that's enshrined

00:23:57.440 in the the charter of the united nations no less is that a nation that is under attack

00:24:02.560 in the way that israel was on october 7th 2023 is entitled to defend themselves and you know

00:24:09.040 israel did not start that war the ceasefire that was in place was broken by hamas which is a

00:24:15.520 designated terrorist entity around the world they did that they killed 1200 men women children and

00:24:21.920 babies they kidnapped 251 people they sexually violated 200 israeli women and girls and they

00:24:32.480 they injured in some cases uh seriously grievously hundreds of other israelis and non-israelis

00:24:41.120 on that day so israel was entitled to respond to that in a measured way and i believe i'm not a

00:24:47.360 military analyst but i believe that they have responded in a measured and careful way against

00:24:54.640 urban warfare warfare is very difficult as you know and i believe that israel has conducted 0.86

00:24:59.920 itself with restraint and care yeah and something that's very difficult in this both in the the war

00:25:06.160 on the ground in israel and the war i guess you could say in the airwaves with with communications

00:25:10.880 which is what you're working on, because the enemy melds in with regular population, whether

00:25:17.340 it's on the ground in Gaza, or whether it's in universities or in mosques throughout Canada,

00:25:21.860 we do understand that most people, Muslim people in Canada have no interest in taking up terrorist

00:25:27.740 acts and things such as that. But some among them are supporting this, we're seeing fundraising,

00:25:34.340 charitable groups, and I'll put that in quotes, things that are going over there, which also

00:25:38.840 gives well ammunition to people who truly are very intolerant of everybody who's a darker than

00:25:43.880 they prefer to see how do you carefully try to extract the extreme element from the moderates

00:25:49.320 that exist i mean it's a very complicated problem and the the you know the the constituencies that

00:25:54.780 they um you raise an important point the constituencies that they've been most successful

00:26:00.040 with, obviously, unions, so public unions, not the private ones, academia, but most particularly

00:26:11.100 the two demographics that they've been most successful in getting over to this global

00:26:16.780 anti-Semitic, anti-Israel campaign has been young people, Gen Z from about 18 to 24, and

00:26:26.060 millennials from about the age of 25 to 38. And those two constituencies in Canada, in the United

00:26:33.080 States, and in Europe have been the target of this global propaganda campaign against Jews and the

00:26:39.660 Jewish state and the West. And they've been very successful in bringing young people over to their

00:26:45.860 side, really by focusing on one theme. You know, for about 60 years, the Anti-Defamation League

00:26:53.320 of b'nai bryth has been doing polling mainly in the united states but not exclusively

00:26:58.600 and what they it's the polling has always shown that if you were concerned about racism you would

00:27:05.400 also be concerned about anti-semitism and so they kind of moved on the same track and about five or

00:27:12.280 six years ago what we started to see is um concern and sympathy about anti-semitism started to go

00:27:22.520 like that with young people. So they still profess to be concerned about racism, but on

00:27:29.300 anti-Semitism, they started to articulate points of view that were frankly horrifying. For example,

00:27:36.640 41% of young Canadians state that they support Hamas around the same figure state that they

00:27:45.800 don't care if jews either in israel or in canada are attacked for being jewish and so when i've

00:27:55.500 done focus groups for our documentary we've done and also for the book that i've written

00:27:59.600 they had in hand and you know i've said to these kids like some of the things you're saying and

00:28:06.180 doing are anti-semitic don't you don't you see that and they'll say to you cory well no i'm not

00:28:13.260 being anti-semitic I'm being opposed to racism I'm fighting racism they truly believe and those

00:28:20.400 of us been to Israel you know just shake our heads when we hear this they truly believe that 1.00

00:28:25.900 Israel is a fascist white supremacist apartheid state in the way that apartheid South Africa once 0.83

00:28:32.340 was and you know those of us who have been there know you have black kids are in the IDF and women 0.98

00:28:38.620 in positions of authority and and arabs in the knesset and the judiciary and the idf and muslims 0.94

00:28:45.660 as well but the the bad guys with this propaganda campaign have been most successful for one reason

00:28:53.580 they have depicted israel as an apartheid white supremacist state when it is not it is not but

00:29:00.780 that's what's convinced so many of these young people to come out and do what they say is

00:29:05.820 opposing racism yeah and it just astounds me because so many young people today are very

00:29:10.540 socially liberal uh one of the things that was most striking to me one night in tel aviv was

00:29:15.340 going out and people were out and having a good time and there was a couple of men getting quite

00:29:19.020 affectionate with each other on a bench and good for them i almost would want to take a picture

00:29:23.020 but that'd be quite a violation of privacy but that's the last bastion the only bastion of that

00:29:28.540 sort of freedom in the entire middle east like maybe if some of our north american young people

00:29:32.940 would understand it if you want to protect some rights that that's a a spot that really needs it

00:29:38.380 it's the only liberal democracy out there but it seems to be lost on them but this is the problem

00:29:43.100 this is the problem they because if you dig down into the data why do they think so you know south

00:29:50.540 africa and israel are the same thing why do they think that they're not being anti-semitic it's 0.96

00:29:56.300 because of this if you look at the data in canada in the united states and in europe young people

00:30:02.860 so gen z and millennials are not receiving information from magazines like yours or

00:30:08.620 newspapers like mine they're receiving it from online sources and that's where the bad guys have

00:30:14.620 gone that's where this pro-hamas anti-israel anti-semitic campaign has gone is they like

00:30:21.180 cory they absolutely dominate online for every pro israel message that's out there qualitatively

00:30:29.900 quantitatively rather there's about 90 messages opposing that we are those of us who support

00:30:37.260 israel and support the jewish people are being absolutely massacred online and frankly some of

00:30:45.020 it we're to blame for we've allowed this to happen we've not been fighting back and the bad guys

00:30:50.940 backed by money from qatar and as you pointed out a minute ago from these far-left ngos and

00:30:58.640 non-profits and charities there's this real alphabet soup of menace that's out there they

00:31:06.140 are financing this online effort where on tiktok on x on meta on all of the platforms we are getting

00:31:14.200 absolutely massacred and israel has you know even though israel is the most technologically advanced 0.91

00:31:19.540 nation in the world in many respects israel has been terrible about telling its own story 0.56

00:31:24.900 you know you saw a young gay couple in in tel aviv i've seen the same thing and i had the same

00:31:29.860 reaction is you know we're both canadian guys in israel going geez i gotta show this to the world

00:31:36.180 and the question you gotta ask yourself is why isn't israel showing this to the world and so

00:31:41.700 you know part of the the war that we're in here and this is going to go on for some time is israel

00:31:48.580 needs to do a better job of telling its story and not just rely on guys like you and me well true

00:31:54.260 enough and uh hopefully they can start moving in that direction well the time's gone quickly it's

00:31:58.420 just so much it can be covered in it i'm really looking forward to your documentary and your book

00:32:02.260 before i let you go where can people pre-order and where are they going to find these when they come

00:32:06.100 out the book is called the hidden hands published by random house and you can get it indigo and

00:32:11.220 chapters and all of that it's on my social media if you want to click there in the documentary uh

00:32:16.660 we are, I'm not allowed to say which film festival is going to be releasing it, but it'll be in

00:32:22.060 Europe and also in the month of February. So both the documentary called The Campaign and the book

00:32:27.320 called The Hidden Hand will be out and available in February, but you can pre-order the book now.

00:32:32.720 Excellent. Well, thank you for your work on that and for coming on to talk about it today. And well,

00:32:36.340 just for being a few of us pushing back against what you've identified properly as an actual

00:32:40.560 organized information campaign going on. I mean, if we don't push back, they will win.

00:32:45.280 My pleasure. Thanks so much for having me on.

00:32:47.520 Great. Thank you.

00:32:48.620 So yes, guys, check it out one more time.

00:32:50.860 You know, you can pre-order and that helps with these things when a book is coming out.

00:32:54.340 It is The Hidden Hand, The Information War and the Rise of Anti-Semitic Propaganda and Warren Kinsella.

00:33:01.020 And it really was eye-opening, as I said, when I'm over there.

00:33:06.780 I still can't wrap my head around a lot of it.

00:33:11.900 I mean, again, Israel's imperfect. I understand that. 1.00

00:33:14.160 But if you're looking to be civilized, if you're looking at democracy, if you're looking at freedoms, if you're looking at rights, they are a world ahead of every country that surrounds them.

00:33:26.140 And I look at these far left, it's the usual ones protesting for trans rights and this and that and everything, yet they support wiping out the one and only little spot in the whole Middle East that provides the rights to minorities and people that they claim to support.

00:33:44.160 as Warren said then that that's really the result of a very effective information campaign and you

00:33:51.900 know what I wanted to talk more because this campaign's been going on well before October 7th

00:33:56.620 it's just that really brought it to a head and what is interesting as he said was look how quickly

00:34:02.240 the anti-Israel protests sprung up after October 7th I mean a lot of people are making the excuse

00:34:07.860 to say well it's because of Israel's heavy-handed response guys within two weeks they were still

00:34:12.440 barely responding yet to the terror attack. They were just warming up. Yet the protests were already

00:34:17.540 out there screaming and yelling and demanding death to Israel and that Israel stand down and 0.99

00:34:22.060 Israel surrender and Israel just leave their hostages in the hands of those monsters. I don't 1.00

00:34:27.340 understand it. If you're on social media and you need to look at those things, and I got to admit,

00:34:31.940 I've seen less and less because I'm on X. You know, it's one of the prominent areas I communicate on

00:34:35.720 online. And I would put things up, anything even pro-Israel. And oh, I get the barrage of people

00:34:41.820 going bananas on me. And the interesting thing was how many, and I block like crazy because I

00:34:48.140 don't have time for them. I mean, you know, it's hard. Let's them, I guess, operate uncounted. I

00:34:52.820 don't know, but I can't have them polluting my discussion all the time. But the amount that have

00:34:56.920 a little hammer and sickle in their profile, they really do. We're not even talking about the guys

00:35:01.620 who say, oh, I just support Marxism, the classic idea of communism, that sort of thing, not the

00:35:05.880 actual messed up evil social or Soviet system. No, they are supporting even the Soviet system. 0.83

00:35:11.540 these are hardcore extremists. And they're tied in, as Warren said, with anti-Western. That's

00:35:19.960 what's got to be clarified in this. I mean, the ones in Qatar, the ones funding this, the extreme

00:35:25.520 Islamists, they just want to disrupt. They want to see this spread. You know, I put a video on my 1.00

00:35:32.620 own channel recently, just of stuff that I saw when I was over at the Nova Festival site and

00:35:37.620 things like that. What I also wanted to point out to people was just that clearly all of the stuff

00:35:41.200 the kibbutz and the nova music festival all that stuff they targeted none of it was military like

00:35:46.520 this isn't a regular war they didn't go after military bases they didn't go after military

00:35:51.060 members they targeted the most vulnerable citizens they could and they did the most horrific things

00:35:57.280 they possibly could do to them they did you know murder the children rape the women as Warren was

00:36:02.120 pointing out and and and launch thousands of rockets into residential areas but why I mean 1.00

00:36:07.520 they aren't completely stupid. They're crazy. They're extreme. They're murderous, but they 1.00

00:36:11.720 aren't stupid. What did they have in mind? The reality is they wanted to make a larger war. 1.00

00:36:18.460 They were hoping that Israel's response would be harsh enough that suddenly Saudi, Egypt, Jordan,

00:36:25.780 Syria, all the rest would jump in and finally come in and eliminate Israel from the world. 0.99

00:36:32.480 And it's not going to happen. There's something some people got to realize too.

00:36:37.520 Israel's not going anywhere. It's not leaving. Get over it. I know there's some right-wing lunatics, conspiracy theorists, and anti-Jewish nut bars, and some of them follow my stuff and they comment in it. But they're just a loud minority, as are the Islamists.

00:36:53.400 It's funny with, what was it, a great, what is that, Babylon Bee, I believe it was, but it showed a, you know, a cartoon and it's satire, of course, but it was a story saying, you know, neo-Nazi and, you know, pro-Palestine person get together and can't find anything to argue about.

00:37:13.100 They really are just opposite sides of the same coin, but they do have an outsized influence on social media.

00:37:21.160 They do have a large voice. As Warren said, Israel sort of let them take over the narrative,

00:37:28.360 and it's got to be pushed back by them, not just us. This is my perspective, pointing out,

00:37:33.080 they screamed death to Canada and the USA too. Yes, yes, that's part of the point that, you know,

00:37:37.160 we kind of started this out. Don't think they're going to stop there. If Israel was gone, do you 0.97

00:37:42.300 think those guys are going to stop? No. They hate the Western world. They're insane. They're extreme.

00:37:50.760 They're Islamist nutcases. 1.00

00:37:52.840 How do we deal with that? 0.99

00:37:53.700 I don't know.

00:37:55.000 But we can't pretend it's a problem that only impacts things over there.

00:38:01.340 It will come over here.

00:38:02.480 It already is.

00:38:03.600 And it's in our universities and such.

00:38:05.420 And it's frightening.

00:38:08.640 Now, you know, we're going to see some interesting stuff.

00:38:10.360 We'll go a little more broad.

00:38:11.600 Though with Quebec, of course, they're expanding.

00:38:14.580 You know, Dave mentioned that.

00:38:15.720 There's secularism law.

00:38:17.020 And they're going to use the, notwithstanding, yet again.

00:38:21.220 And, you know, this is interesting.

00:38:23.940 I'm kind of mixed on it, right?

00:38:25.440 But it's only in public areas, like publicly owned, okay?

00:38:28.100 Not out in general and so on.

00:38:31.420 But they're going to ban prayer rooms in public institutions and colleges and universities.

00:38:35.900 They're going to ban full face coverings like the niqab. 1.00

00:38:39.040 Now, see, this is hard, right?

00:38:41.680 Because if people have rights, and even if, let's face it,

00:38:45.220 Forcing a woman to dress all in black with a little eye slit there and live like that is vile. 1.00

00:38:51.460 It's disgusting. 1.00

00:38:54.240 It's a thousand-year-old crap. 1.00

00:38:58.600 It's medieval. 1.00

00:39:00.400 But if a woman willingly does so, she has the right to do it. 1.00

00:39:04.620 Where's the government's role in telling somebody what they can wear and what they can't?

00:39:07.780 You see, that's hard.

00:39:09.160 And the woman, of course, she's going to say, oh, I'm willing.

00:39:11.000 Well, you know why?

00:39:11.580 Because they'll beat the hell out of her if she takes it off. 1.00

00:39:14.360 We have honor killings that happen in North America with extremists. 0.99

00:39:18.920 Quebec isn't stopping women to be covered up in bedsheets and all that crap, 1.00

00:39:23.640 you know, that primitive junk that they do with Islam in general, 1.00

00:39:28.680 but they're doing it in their own institutions, government-owned institutions, 0.98

00:39:31.180 universities, colleges, saying, you know what?

00:39:33.100 You want to practice that extreme stuff, you're not doing it on government property

00:39:36.000 or on the government payroll.

00:39:38.680 The Islamists are going to be pretty upset with that.

00:39:40.620 things I'll give to Quebec. Quebec doesn't beat around the bush. Quebec drives us nuts quite 1.00

00:39:47.080 often as Westerners, that's for sure. But you know what? They just say, we're going to do this. And

00:39:51.640 what are you going to do about it? And Alberta really has to be doing a lot more of that 1.00

00:39:54.880 themselves, ourselves. And it's going to be quite something to see their response to that. But the

00:40:03.520 funny thing is the Canadian double standard too. You can bet they're not going to talk about

00:40:06.860 repealing the notwithstanding clause when Quebec uses it for its, what, umpteenth time.

00:40:10.660 But boy, they sure all go bananas when Alberta does, right? Speaking of double standard hypocrisy, 1.00

00:40:15.900 it's funny watching David Eby going bananas, right? So he's saying absolutely there's no way

00:40:20.020 a pipeline is ever coming through BC to the coast. Not another one, nope. But he's also having a

00:40:24.300 temper tantrum, and that's the best way to put it. Watch this guy's press conferences. He's like a

00:40:28.040 six-year-old, a big, he's tall too, you know, six foot something. So it's like a giant overgrown

00:40:32.560 six-year-old, but he's furious because Saskatchewan is going to be exporting its potash,

00:40:38.060 which is a huge resource from Western Canada, through a shipping terminal in Washington.

00:40:44.580 Well, yeah, we've got a premier on the West Coast who fights every bit of resource development

00:40:49.960 coming from his east side. Why would he be shocked? He'd be shocked when provinces start

00:40:55.860 bypassing him and getting back to authority. See, Canada is supposed to be a federation. 0.98

00:41:04.260 And, uh, you know, uh, here's a commenter, Mavro saying, uh, you know, I think Carney's relying

00:41:08.500 on EB to get in the way. Well, that's fine, but we got to hold Carney's feet to the fire then

00:41:14.180 because if we are a federation, that's the point of the whole thing, right? It's

00:41:20.580 an agreement a contract the constitution it means there has to be some degree of centralized

00:41:27.300 authority on some things one of which is inter-provincial infrastructure a province

00:41:34.180 can't block a highway can't block a railroad and can't block a pipeline that's federal jurisdiction

00:41:42.100 because if you can't have the federal government say that's just the way it goes it's going through

00:41:47.380 then you aren't a federation anymore. So Kearney, grow some testes and be a prime minister

00:41:54.980 and lay down the law and say, this thing is getting done. Or, well, we know the option I

00:42:02.820 want to see. It's independence time. You know, we're looking at a referendum coming up one way

00:42:07.740 or another. And if we are blockaded still with mealy mouth weasel words from Kearney and gang,

00:42:14.160 then what's the point of staying? You know, people say you'd be landlocked. We already are.

00:42:21.920 Have a look. You know, DJ Darkrobe commenter again saying, Alberto, never get a pipeline

00:42:27.780 under the current federation. Well, yeah, probably not. So let's change the deal.

00:42:33.640 And then if we're out of the federation, you want to know how fast you get the pipeline? Because

00:42:38.160 then you say, you know what? We're going to put a very oppressive border crossing with BC with your

00:42:45.440 products coming across us to the rest of Canada or the United States through that rail line and

00:42:49.440 through those roads there. So let's talk. And I don't think we'd have to talk too long because

00:42:54.860 we would realize that we have to allow each other's goods to get back and forth across

00:43:00.180 our jurisdictions to get things done. We would do what the federal government's refusing to do,

00:43:04.620 but it's not going to happen overnight.

00:43:07.680 Eight, six, because they have some other people saying,

00:43:09.320 you know, Smith needs to jump on independence.

00:43:10.940 And I am with this commenter.

00:43:12.320 It's not Smith's job to jump on the independence bandwagon.

00:43:14.280 If we split the vote, we get Mayor Nenshi.

00:43:15.980 We need to support her.

00:43:17.040 Okay, so yes and no, I'm kind of in a way,

00:43:20.700 I think it's Albertan's job to get on the independence bandwagon.

00:43:23.480 Yes, fully.

00:43:25.080 Smith's, no, she wasn't elected on that.

00:43:27.340 And it is too divisive a subject for her to take on as a premier.

00:43:32.680 Her job is to give us the mechanism. 0.96

00:43:34.620 give us the referendum, leave it to Albertans. Let's have that discussion for a year. Let's

00:43:39.200 have an independence campaign. Let's have the campaign going on while these negotiations

00:43:45.480 go on as to whether or not we're allowed to actually be a federation or not.

00:43:49.720 But yeah, that's one of the things I wanted to warn people. If you're going to the AGM in

00:43:52.740 Edmonton and you're frustrated, I know I am. I'm not a member, but I'm frustrated with the

00:43:56.540 things the way they sit. Don't try and turn the UCP into an independence party. Independence

00:44:01.300 parties fail. They always fail. Look at Alberta's history. I know I literally led an independence

00:44:06.600 party into an election and lots of them, you know, have failed. No, I don't answer conspiracy

00:44:15.580 theory questions, guys. So you can spare that in the comment scroll. Either way, it's going to be

00:44:19.880 an interesting weekend. It's going to be interesting tomorrow because I do have a word from a pretty

00:44:24.840 reliable source within the government that yes, the memorandum of understanding that they're going

00:44:28.760 to be parroting and talking about and patting each other in the back doesn't have anything saying

00:44:32.740 that permission from BC and the Indigenous bands is going to be required to get this pipeline

00:44:37.860 through because it isn't constitutionally it isn't the Supreme Court has clarified that many a time

00:44:42.620 it's not so why is Carney getting up in the House Commons and saying or his MPs saying that they do

00:44:50.740 need BC and the Indigenous well again one way or the other guys but that MOU it's not worth the 0.99

00:44:56.620 paper. It's written on. If it's dependent on a premier from another province or indigenous bands

00:45:03.280 that are, come on, they're a mess and you're never going to get 100% out of them. Why don't they

00:45:07.060 clean up Cowichan first and then they can get back to us about what we're allowed to and not allowed

00:45:10.700 to do. All right. Well, that's my time for today, guys. Thank you very much for tuning in. If you're

00:45:15.180 going to be at the AGM, like I said, come by, say hi. I look forward to meeting you. And if not,

00:45:20.540 well, you know, watch things online. Be sure to share this, of course, the social media links and

00:45:25.540 check out the pipeline that'll be coming on a little later tonight and the rest of the stuff

00:45:30.360 coming out of the Western Standard. Thank you very much. And we will talk about things. I'll

00:45:34.300 break down the AGM next week on that show.

00:45:55.540 We'll be right back.

Western Standard - November 27, 2025

Unions in Alberta have declared war on direct democracy

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