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00:12:05.780All right. Yeah. So, you know, let's talk about that AGM. Things have really changed in Alberta
00:12:11.580as far as involved politics go. Like AGMs, even with the governing party, you know, when we were
00:12:18.460talking back in the progressive conservative days, I think big ones were about 800 to a thousand
00:12:22.240people. And that whole bar now is, as I said, 5,000, 6,000 showing up in Red Deer, 3,000 showing
00:12:29.020up in Edmonton. Next year's is in Calgary. And it's great to see people getting in and taking
00:12:34.820part. But, you know, it's good to see people if they're going for their first time too, if they
00:12:39.100haven't gone to one, because they don't necessarily know what they're in for. Day one, there's going
00:12:43.740to be a bit of speeches from some folks pursuing board positions. That's one of the things you as
00:12:48.820a member will get to vote on, pick who's going to sit on certain board positions in the party itself.
00:12:53.800Then that night, that's where the Western Standard has their big thing. At the Expo Center, there will
00:12:58.660be a hospitality suite. Derek really blew the doors off it in Red Deer last year. People get
00:13:03.880together. It's just one big party. There's often a fair amount of cheap or free liquor for those who
00:13:08.640do indulge. And then I get to sit back and drink my Diet Coke and watch people overindulge. But
00:13:13.640it's a good time. Part of it is the social networking, getting together with people
00:13:16.420face-to-face, chatting, working on those things. Then the bleary-eyed, hungover souls will get
00:13:21.720together on the Saturday and sit through policy and constitutional debates, which can be pretty
00:13:27.840rough, but it needs to be done. The other thing, you know, as people go to these AGMs, you should
00:13:32.260keep in mind that it's still, you're making your mark, but the caucus isn't bound by your policy
00:13:40.020decisions. You know, if it's in the party policy, that's great, but caucus might vote otherwise
00:13:44.920later. Still, it's the time for you as a member, if you're a member of a party, I'm not, but to get
00:13:49.980in there and let them know how you feel the party should be going and what they should be doing when
00:13:55.480they're in there. And it's your chance to meet some of the MLAs and other movers and shakers.
00:13:59.660So be sure to come to the Western Standard Hospitality Suite or wherever we are. Come say
00:14:02.680hi to Dave and the rest of us. We're going to be there for the weekend and chances are there'll be
00:14:07.300a drink or two for those, as I said, who do indulge. It's going to be a lively one, if nothing
00:14:11.840else so um let's see what else we were talking about yeah talking with uh indigenous rights
00:14:18.200getting stuff to the coast getting pipelines you know that keeps coming up tomorrow is supposed
00:14:22.100to be the the big announce announcement from premier smith and mark carney of a memorandum
00:14:27.600of understanding to potentially possibly maybe kind of sorta get a pipeline from alberta to the
00:14:35.740west coast. And, well, it's kind of everybody's more into an I believe it when I'll see it sort
00:14:42.260of situation with that one. See, Carney's talking out of both sides of his mouth. I guess that's
00:14:47.420typical for a liberal. I mean, he's saying he's supportive of infrastructure. He's saying he's
00:14:51.920supportive of making Canada less dependent on the United States in the future, yet he won't stand up
00:14:57.360and do his job as a prime minister and get these things done. Now, this memorandum of understanding,
00:15:04.200if it doesn't at least clarify whether or not Indigenous people have a veto or David Eby
00:15:11.320can stop this infrastructure. I mean, the consultation and respect in these negotiations
00:15:15.680is, of course, important. But if they can't clarify that, guys, it's not getting through.
00:15:21.000It's just spinning wheels and going through the motions. Either way, I'll talk a little bit about
00:15:25.320that more in a little while. I see our guest in the lobby there. I've been looking forward to this.
00:15:29.900This is Warren Kinsella. He's been a voice in Canadian politics for a long time, quite active back when the Liberal Party was a different sort of party.
00:15:39.420I saw it as a respectable Liberal Party. I was a conservative at the time, but it was much different than what we look at today.
00:15:45.120And he's been very outspoken on the misinformation coming out from, well, just the world in general when it comes to the Israel conflict going on in the Middle East.
00:15:53.860and he's got a book coming up pretty soon called The Hidden Hand, The Information War and the Rise
00:15:58.520of Anti-Semitic Propaganda. So let's bring him in and have a conversation on that. Hi, Warren,
00:16:03.440thank you very much for joining us today. Thanks, Corey. Thanks for having me.
00:16:07.580So, I mean, I guess I'll just start with the obvious question. You know, what inspired you
00:16:13.020to get this book in the works and what do you feel really needs to be explained to people and
00:16:18.300exposed in what really is a much bigger information war than a lot of people seem to realize?
00:16:39.220So I know a little bit, I think, about campaigns and how to how to spot one.
00:16:45.160Maybe that's one of the only things I learned from politics is how to spot a campaign.
00:16:50.180So at the third week of October 2023, after the terrible and horrific events of October 7th, what I started to observe, and this was, Corey, this was before even Israel entered Gaza, began their ground incursion into Gaza.
00:17:07.080So before Israel had done anything in respect of Hamas, there were 2,500 protests around the world using identical signage, using identical chants and language, very organized organizers who clearly knew what they were doing.
00:17:27.680and it looked to me like a professional political campaign and i spoke to friends i have on both the
00:17:34.980left and the right and all of them had the same view and say absolutely this is a campaign
00:17:39.460so the the book i've written for random house called the hidden hand which you kindly pointed
00:17:44.680out is about that campaign i've got a documentary coming out about the same subject called the
00:17:50.860campaign and it's both of them are coming out in february and um the events of the past few days
00:17:57.100have you know reaffirmed my belief that this is absolutely not organic this is not a coincidence
00:18:03.740this is an organized global campaign against israel against jews and against western democracy
00:18:11.340and i guess something to cover with a lot of people we hear you know speaking up on social
00:18:15.580media and saying you know this isn't our problem this is over there this is israel we don't need
00:18:20.860to concern ourselves with it but this is spilling over here even if a person doesn't care and i mean
00:18:26.220I mean, I was mortified with what I saw when I went over there and mortified with what I saw before I went over there.
00:18:56.220But I'm a Zionist because I believe that Israel, like Taiwan, like Ukraine, play a critical role in holding back the tide of autocrats and dictatorship and oppression around the world.
00:19:12.640So to me, strategically, it's critically important that Israel remains strong and remains a beacon of democracy in a sea of tyranny in the Middle East.
00:19:23.240But, you know, what's become evident since October 7th is there has been a confluence of far left and Marxist elements who are extreme and in some cases violent and also Islamist, jihadist pro-Hamas elements.
00:19:43.140and they've come together in a bit of an unholy alliance to destabilize and to delegitimize
00:19:50.480Israel, but also to destabilize Western democracy. I think a lot of people, as you point out,
00:19:56.860have lulled themselves into thinking, oh, it's just about the Jews. It's just about them. I
00:20:00.900don't need to worry about it. And that is not so. That is not the case. And what's become quite
00:20:06.120evident is that these people are organizing against all of us, and it's incumbent upon
00:20:10.960all of us to stand shoulder to shoulder with our Jewish brothers and sisters and protect them
00:20:16.480against what is an anti-Semitic wave, but also protect Western democracy and our way of life.
00:20:23.440Well, and that thinly veiled anti-Semitism, I'd like to cloak the amount of hate,
00:20:28.080even though it's so thinly veiled it's hard to hide, but to use the word Zionist as a substitute
00:20:32.000for Jew. A lot of people I think don't necessarily even understand what Zionism
00:20:35.680sounds, what it means. I mean, they've turned it into a term as if it's some sort of extreme
00:20:40.080position. I mean, at its very core, the bottom line is, do you support Israel's right to exist?
00:20:45.360If that's the case, then to a degree, you're a Zionist. And people have to understand the
00:20:48.880opponents in this case want Israel wiped off the map. They don't want a two-state solution. They
00:20:53.440don't want to see actual peace. They want nothing less than the complete elimination of Israel as
00:20:58.960an independent state. And now you raise an important point. Let's examine that word,
00:21:03.920zionist why am i a zionist you know my daughter's indigenous my daughter is a citizen of the car
00:21:11.200cross target first nation in the yukon and i believe that she has an she and uh the other
00:21:18.480members of that that band have an inalienable right to the land that has been theirs you know
00:21:25.840for millennia and she's indigenous to that place and i support her in that just as i support jews
00:21:35.440you know the that's what it means to be zionist it's believing the people who are indigenous to
00:21:40.560a certain place deserve to be indigenous to that place and you know what the far left and what
00:21:49.600these jihadist elements have done very successfully is equate zionism with racism and you know no
00:21:57.120less an authority than dr martin luther king pointed out because he was a zionist as well
00:22:02.880is when you're talking about anti-zionism you're really talking about racism when you say that you
00:22:08.000oppose um zionism you're really an anti-semite and that's no less an authority than dr king
00:22:15.200So, you know, I think that people really need to look at what these terms mean.
00:22:19.740It just simply means that Jews have a homeland like everybody else does.
00:22:25.140And they're entitled to this tiny, tiny piece of the Middle East and that they deserve to be able to defend themselves.
00:22:33.480And, you know, that's all that it means to be a Zionist.
00:22:36.380So with this misinformation and its impacting elected officials, I mean, this is a big battle going on.
00:22:42.800I watched a while back, actually, a documentary on the Yom Kippur War, and it was funny how you could basically just change the dates and see the international reaction to Israel defending itself was exactly the same. Within days of them being attacked, Israel defending itself, and then the world all screaming, you've got to stop, you've got to stop, you've got to stop.
00:23:01.500how do you counter that? That's what you're working on. I'm getting to the soul of your book.
00:23:07.940How do we counter the misinformation or counter the narrative that's really so broken right now
00:23:13.560with this issue? Well, Golda Meir, who was the original Iron Lady of politics, who was the
00:23:19.500Prime Minister of Israel at the time of the Yom Kippur War, said most memorably, I'm not quoting
00:23:24.560her exactly but you know it's much better to be a jew who is isolated and vilified than to be
00:23:32.160somebody who's dead and admired and you know i think that is both of us have been to israel
00:23:37.520on missions for the media and we've seen that that they they regret they are sad about the fact that
00:23:44.800so much of the world has turned against them for all kinds of reasons that you and i can discuss
00:23:50.960but they are determined to survive and you know that is they're right that that's enshrined
00:23:57.440in the the charter of the united nations no less is that a nation that is under attack
00:24:02.560in the way that israel was on october 7th 2023 is entitled to defend themselves and you know
00:24:09.040israel did not start that war the ceasefire that was in place was broken by hamas which is a
00:24:15.520designated terrorist entity around the world they did that they killed 1200 men women children and
00:24:21.920babies they kidnapped 251 people they sexually violated 200 israeli women and girls and they
00:24:32.480they injured in some cases uh seriously grievously hundreds of other israelis and non-israelis
00:24:41.120on that day so israel was entitled to respond to that in a measured way and i believe i'm not a
00:24:47.360military analyst but i believe that they have responded in a measured and careful way against
00:24:54.640urban warfare warfare is very difficult as you know and i believe that israel has conducted
00:24:59.920itself with restraint and care yeah and something that's very difficult in this both in the the war
00:25:06.160on the ground in israel and the war i guess you could say in the airwaves with with communications
00:25:10.880which is what you're working on, because the enemy melds in with regular population, whether
00:25:17.340it's on the ground in Gaza, or whether it's in universities or in mosques throughout Canada,
00:25:21.860we do understand that most people, Muslim people in Canada have no interest in taking up terrorist
00:25:27.740acts and things such as that. But some among them are supporting this, we're seeing fundraising,
00:25:34.340charitable groups, and I'll put that in quotes, things that are going over there, which also
00:25:38.840gives well ammunition to people who truly are very intolerant of everybody who's a darker than
00:25:43.880they prefer to see how do you carefully try to extract the extreme element from the moderates
00:25:49.320that exist i mean it's a very complicated problem and the the you know the the constituencies that
00:25:54.780they um you raise an important point the constituencies that they've been most successful
00:26:00.040with, obviously, unions, so public unions, not the private ones, academia, but most particularly
00:26:11.100the two demographics that they've been most successful in getting over to this global
00:26:16.780anti-Semitic, anti-Israel campaign has been young people, Gen Z from about 18 to 24, and
00:26:26.060millennials from about the age of 25 to 38. And those two constituencies in Canada, in the United
00:26:33.080States, and in Europe have been the target of this global propaganda campaign against Jews and the
00:26:39.660Jewish state and the West. And they've been very successful in bringing young people over to their
00:26:45.860side, really by focusing on one theme. You know, for about 60 years, the Anti-Defamation League
00:26:53.320of b'nai bryth has been doing polling mainly in the united states but not exclusively
00:26:58.600and what they it's the polling has always shown that if you were concerned about racism you would
00:27:05.400also be concerned about anti-semitism and so they kind of moved on the same track and about five or
00:27:12.280six years ago what we started to see is um concern and sympathy about anti-semitism started to go
00:27:22.520like that with young people. So they still profess to be concerned about racism, but on
00:27:29.300anti-Semitism, they started to articulate points of view that were frankly horrifying. For example,
00:27:36.64041% of young Canadians state that they support Hamas around the same figure state that they
00:27:45.800don't care if jews either in israel or in canada are attacked for being jewish and so when i've
00:27:55.500done focus groups for our documentary we've done and also for the book that i've written
00:27:59.600they had in hand and you know i've said to these kids like some of the things you're saying and
00:28:06.180doing are anti-semitic don't you don't you see that and they'll say to you cory well no i'm not
00:28:13.260being anti-semitic I'm being opposed to racism I'm fighting racism they truly believe and those
00:28:20.400of us been to Israel you know just shake our heads when we hear this they truly believe that
00:28:25.900Israel is a fascist white supremacist apartheid state in the way that apartheid South Africa once
00:28:32.340was and you know those of us who have been there know you have black kids are in the IDF and women
00:28:38.620in positions of authority and and arabs in the knesset and the judiciary and the idf and muslims
00:28:45.660as well but the the bad guys with this propaganda campaign have been most successful for one reason
00:28:53.580they have depicted israel as an apartheid white supremacist state when it is not it is not but
00:29:00.780that's what's convinced so many of these young people to come out and do what they say is
00:29:05.820opposing racism yeah and it just astounds me because so many young people today are very
00:29:10.540socially liberal uh one of the things that was most striking to me one night in tel aviv was
00:29:15.340going out and people were out and having a good time and there was a couple of men getting quite
00:29:19.020affectionate with each other on a bench and good for them i almost would want to take a picture
00:29:23.020but that'd be quite a violation of privacy but that's the last bastion the only bastion of that
00:29:28.540sort of freedom in the entire middle east like maybe if some of our north american young people
00:29:32.940would understand it if you want to protect some rights that that's a a spot that really needs it
00:29:38.380it's the only liberal democracy out there but it seems to be lost on them but this is the problem
00:29:43.100this is the problem they because if you dig down into the data why do they think so you know south
00:29:50.540africa and israel are the same thing why do they think that they're not being anti-semitic it's
00:29:56.300because of this if you look at the data in canada in the united states and in europe young people
00:30:02.860so gen z and millennials are not receiving information from magazines like yours or
00:30:08.620newspapers like mine they're receiving it from online sources and that's where the bad guys have
00:30:14.620gone that's where this pro-hamas anti-israel anti-semitic campaign has gone is they like
00:30:21.180cory they absolutely dominate online for every pro israel message that's out there qualitatively
00:30:29.900quantitatively rather there's about 90 messages opposing that we are those of us who support
00:30:37.260israel and support the jewish people are being absolutely massacred online and frankly some of
00:30:45.020it we're to blame for we've allowed this to happen we've not been fighting back and the bad guys
00:30:50.940backed by money from qatar and as you pointed out a minute ago from these far-left ngos and
00:30:58.640non-profits and charities there's this real alphabet soup of menace that's out there they
00:31:06.140are financing this online effort where on tiktok on x on meta on all of the platforms we are getting
00:31:14.200absolutely massacred and israel has you know even though israel is the most technologically advanced
00:31:19.540nation in the world in many respects israel has been terrible about telling its own story
00:31:24.900you know you saw a young gay couple in in tel aviv i've seen the same thing and i had the same
00:31:29.860reaction is you know we're both canadian guys in israel going geez i gotta show this to the world
00:31:36.180and the question you gotta ask yourself is why isn't israel showing this to the world and so
00:31:41.700you know part of the the war that we're in here and this is going to go on for some time is israel
00:31:48.580needs to do a better job of telling its story and not just rely on guys like you and me well true
00:31:54.260enough and uh hopefully they can start moving in that direction well the time's gone quickly it's
00:31:58.420just so much it can be covered in it i'm really looking forward to your documentary and your book
00:32:02.260before i let you go where can people pre-order and where are they going to find these when they come
00:32:06.100out the book is called the hidden hands published by random house and you can get it indigo and
00:32:11.220chapters and all of that it's on my social media if you want to click there in the documentary uh
00:32:16.660we are, I'm not allowed to say which film festival is going to be releasing it, but it'll be in
00:32:22.060Europe and also in the month of February. So both the documentary called The Campaign and the book
00:32:27.320called The Hidden Hand will be out and available in February, but you can pre-order the book now.
00:32:32.720Excellent. Well, thank you for your work on that and for coming on to talk about it today. And well,
00:32:36.340just for being a few of us pushing back against what you've identified properly as an actual
00:32:40.560organized information campaign going on. I mean, if we don't push back, they will win.
00:32:45.280My pleasure. Thanks so much for having me on.
00:32:48.620So yes, guys, check it out one more time.
00:32:50.860You know, you can pre-order and that helps with these things when a book is coming out.
00:32:54.340It is The Hidden Hand, The Information War and the Rise of Anti-Semitic Propaganda and Warren Kinsella.
00:33:01.020And it really was eye-opening, as I said, when I'm over there.
00:33:06.780I still can't wrap my head around a lot of it.
00:33:11.900I mean, again, Israel's imperfect. I understand that.
00:33:14.160But if you're looking to be civilized, if you're looking at democracy, if you're looking at freedoms, if you're looking at rights, they are a world ahead of every country that surrounds them.
00:33:26.140And I look at these far left, it's the usual ones protesting for trans rights and this and that and everything, yet they support wiping out the one and only little spot in the whole Middle East that provides the rights to minorities and people that they claim to support.
00:33:44.160as Warren said then that that's really the result of a very effective information campaign and you
00:33:51.900know what I wanted to talk more because this campaign's been going on well before October 7th
00:33:56.620it's just that really brought it to a head and what is interesting as he said was look how quickly
00:34:02.240the anti-Israel protests sprung up after October 7th I mean a lot of people are making the excuse
00:34:07.860to say well it's because of Israel's heavy-handed response guys within two weeks they were still
00:34:12.440barely responding yet to the terror attack. They were just warming up. Yet the protests were already
00:34:17.540out there screaming and yelling and demanding death to Israel and that Israel stand down and
00:34:22.060Israel surrender and Israel just leave their hostages in the hands of those monsters. I don't
00:34:27.340understand it. If you're on social media and you need to look at those things, and I got to admit,
00:34:31.940I've seen less and less because I'm on X. You know, it's one of the prominent areas I communicate on
00:34:35.720online. And I would put things up, anything even pro-Israel. And oh, I get the barrage of people
00:34:41.820going bananas on me. And the interesting thing was how many, and I block like crazy because I
00:34:48.140don't have time for them. I mean, you know, it's hard. Let's them, I guess, operate uncounted. I
00:34:52.820don't know, but I can't have them polluting my discussion all the time. But the amount that have
00:34:56.920a little hammer and sickle in their profile, they really do. We're not even talking about the guys
00:35:01.620who say, oh, I just support Marxism, the classic idea of communism, that sort of thing, not the
00:35:05.880actual messed up evil social or Soviet system. No, they are supporting even the Soviet system.
00:35:11.540these are hardcore extremists. And they're tied in, as Warren said, with anti-Western. That's
00:35:19.960what's got to be clarified in this. I mean, the ones in Qatar, the ones funding this, the extreme
00:35:25.520Islamists, they just want to disrupt. They want to see this spread. You know, I put a video on my
00:35:32.620own channel recently, just of stuff that I saw when I was over at the Nova Festival site and
00:35:37.620things like that. What I also wanted to point out to people was just that clearly all of the stuff
00:35:41.200the kibbutz and the nova music festival all that stuff they targeted none of it was military like
00:35:46.520this isn't a regular war they didn't go after military bases they didn't go after military
00:35:51.060members they targeted the most vulnerable citizens they could and they did the most horrific things
00:35:57.280they possibly could do to them they did you know murder the children rape the women as Warren was
00:36:02.120pointing out and and and launch thousands of rockets into residential areas but why I mean
00:36:07.520they aren't completely stupid. They're crazy. They're extreme. They're murderous, but they
00:36:11.720aren't stupid. What did they have in mind? The reality is they wanted to make a larger war.
00:36:18.460They were hoping that Israel's response would be harsh enough that suddenly Saudi, Egypt, Jordan,
00:36:25.780Syria, all the rest would jump in and finally come in and eliminate Israel from the world.
00:36:32.480And it's not going to happen. There's something some people got to realize too.
00:36:37.520Israel's not going anywhere. It's not leaving. Get over it. I know there's some right-wing lunatics, conspiracy theorists, and anti-Jewish nut bars, and some of them follow my stuff and they comment in it. But they're just a loud minority, as are the Islamists.
00:36:53.400It's funny with, what was it, a great, what is that, Babylon Bee, I believe it was, but it showed a, you know, a cartoon and it's satire, of course, but it was a story saying, you know, neo-Nazi and, you know, pro-Palestine person get together and can't find anything to argue about.
00:37:13.100They really are just opposite sides of the same coin, but they do have an outsized influence on social media.
00:37:21.160They do have a large voice. As Warren said, Israel sort of let them take over the narrative,
00:37:28.360and it's got to be pushed back by them, not just us. This is my perspective, pointing out,
00:37:33.080they screamed death to Canada and the USA too. Yes, yes, that's part of the point that, you know,
00:37:37.160we kind of started this out. Don't think they're going to stop there. If Israel was gone, do you
00:37:42.300think those guys are going to stop? No. They hate the Western world. They're insane. They're extreme.