Western Standard - WATCH： Calgary lawyer Jeff Rath reviews Dr. Hinshaw's 'questionable' testimony

00:00:00.000 Good evening, I'm Melanie Rizdin with the Western Standard. Last week we did some extensive

00:00:14.960 coverage of the testimony from Dr. Dina Hinshaw for the lawsuit that is currently sort of underway

00:00:22.360 against the Alberta government for all of the lockdown measures and the chief medical officer

00:00:30.220 of health orders that were issued by Dr. Hinshaw. Joining me to discuss some of that testimony and

00:00:38.420 just walk us through a little bit of what was exposed and what was discussed throughout that

00:00:45.660 testimony is Jeff Rath, one of the lawyers that participated in the lawsuit. Thanks for joining

00:00:52.920 us, Jeff. Good afternoon, Melanie. Obviously, the thing that I found the most fascinating

00:00:58.600 was the lengths that Dr. Hinshaw went to throw Jason Kenney under the bus last week,

00:01:06.160 repeatedly swearing under oath that the so-called Chief Medical Officer of Health orders that have

00:01:12.420 been issued aren't her orders but are effectively orders from Jason Kenney I thought that was one of

00:01:19.120 the big takeaways from last week we were somewhat amazed to hear that to say the least one of our

00:01:26.500 other big takeaways last week was that Dr Hinshaw swore under oath that she didn't understand or

00:01:32.760 didn't know what was more effective natural immunity or she calls it post-infection immunity

00:01:39.720 or vaccinated immunity and that's after standing up in public for the last two and a half years

00:01:45.600 telling people or two years telling people that have had covid that they should get vaccinated

00:01:50.420 anyway um because vaccinated immunity is better than uh natural immunity so that was i thought

00:01:57.980 that was uh that was pretty shocking last week i certainly thought that was worth the price of

00:02:02.760 machine yeah i i was listening in for the her testimony through the week uh she testified

00:02:11.080 monday to thursday and uh i too found that interesting uh it felt like you sort of had to

00:02:17.800 ask a number of times um with regard to the efficacy of of the vaccines when it came to

00:02:26.280 producing some form of immunity to covet 19 versus somebody who who has actually contracted

00:02:36.360 covet 19 and thus would be relying on natural immunity so what was it forthright or forth she

00:02:44.600 wasn't very forthright or forthcoming in much of her testimony um the other thing that i thought

00:02:50.040 was fascinating um the new scare tactic i think that they're using is this alleged existence of

00:02:56.440 long coven so everything now is oh my god you got to get vaccinated because of long coven so they're

00:03:01.560 trying to find new excuses to sell vaccines and the interesting thing was when i asked her about

00:03:06.520 this alleged long coven and whether um she had any data to support the existence of long coven

00:03:12.760 in alberta or whether she could point to a single case of long coven in alberta she couldn't but

00:03:18.760 claim that the reason that she knew it existed was from you know international publications

00:03:24.120 so then when I asked her you know on the basis that she was completely lacking in data

00:03:29.240 and I said so this alleged long COVID you keep talking about is it possible that this so-called

00:03:34.520 long COVID is in fact people that have recovered from COVID that have been forced to get vaccinated

00:03:40.360 who are now vaccine injured right and again she wasn't forthcoming in her answer and at best

00:03:47.960 you know it's clear that she doesn't know whether long COVID exists whether it's a result of

00:03:52.680 vaccine injuries as opposed to you know any such condition as long COVID and it seemed to me that

00:03:59.560 she was engaged in you know basically you know the continuation of her ongoing propaganda exercises 0.85

00:04:05.640 that she's been subjecting this to for the last you know for the last two years.

00:04:09.800 with the topic of long coven were you provided anything uh with any kind of explanation of what

00:04:19.340 you would be experiencing if you know no and again oh sorry no i didn't mean to cut you off

00:04:25.560 sorry um explanation and again it's just one of those scare tactics that they've been using it's

00:04:31.320 like you know if you remember you know when they're trying to keep people locked up in

00:04:35.180 airport hotels or whatever it was all about variants of concern being very concerning we

00:04:40.360 need to be concerned about variants of concern well now it's the same thing with long covid

00:04:44.860 they don't know if it exists there's no cases that they can point to in alberta but oh my goodness we

00:04:50.160 all need to be afraid of long covid and this is why parents should rush out and get their children

00:04:55.040 vaccinated notwithstanding that all the data that's coming out from pfizer indicates children

00:05:00.940 are more likely to be harmed by the vaccines than they are to be harmed by COVID so it's just part

00:05:06.000 of this ongoing terror campaign where they're trying to terrorize parents into vaccinating

00:05:11.180 their children against all sound medical advice at this point so it's you know to me I found that

00:05:17.000 to be pretty shocking the other thing that I found to be really shocking was on the subject of

00:05:22.820 suicides in Alberta and when she acknowledged that the table that she put in her affidavit

00:05:28.460 you know didn't mean that there were no suicides that were caused by COVID and all the table said

00:05:34.660 was that there's a five percent decrease from 2020 to 2021 and we can quibble about whether or not

00:05:41.880 you know suicides are being buried in drug overdoses or being buried elsewhere but she

00:05:47.060 did acknowledge that you know that she was prepared to accept that her orders may have contributed

00:05:53.220 to suicides in the province but what really shocked me was you know when i kept pressing

00:05:58.260 her on it to try to get a clear answer as to whether or not this was factored into

00:06:01.880 her thinking in terms of a cost benefit analysis of her orders and i asked her whether she knew

00:06:08.200 how many people died as a result of from suicide as a result of her orders she said that that was

00:06:13.500 an issue for the medical exam chief medical examiner of alberta and then when i pressed

00:06:18.160 her on that to ask her whether she consulted with the chief medical examiner with regard

00:06:22.860 to how many suicides were attributable to her orders um she hadn't so you know the lack of care

00:06:29.380 that the so-called chief medical officer of health who claims to be the doctor for all

00:06:34.180 you know Albertans and were all her patients you know seems to be exhibiting towards people in this

00:06:39.620 society um you know to my way of thinking is completely shocking now I know that during this

00:06:47.920 You and the other lawyer, Leighton Gray, that you were working with for this for this lawsuit, you have put together a legal letter and sent it to the chief medical examiner in the province.

00:07:03.300 What were you looking for with that letter?

00:07:06.120 And have you heard anything yet?

00:07:07.680 We're looking for an investigator to be appointed to look into all of the suicides that occurred in Alberta in 2021 to determine how many of them were directly attributable to COVID.

00:07:19.480 I mean, since we sent that letter out and since the Western Standard did its story, you know, our office has been receiving, you know, a steady stream of letters from family members in Alberta whose family members they believe died as a direct result, you know, from suicide as a direct result of all of the lockdown orders that people have been suffering under.

00:07:41.300 you know people being you know forced against their will to be vaccinated people losing their

00:07:45.740 jobs because they're not being not vaccinated then not being allowed to go to restaurants

00:07:50.040 because they're not vaccinated and all the rest of the foolishness that people have been living

00:07:54.560 under in this province um you know we've received a number of letters from family members of people

00:07:59.880 who've committed you know who've committed suicide as a result of all the psychological pressure

00:08:05.920 that was being placed on them through these completely heartless orders of Dina Hinshaw

00:08:10.600 well and not only that but the isolation i think i think the isolation that a lot of people felt

00:08:19.560 played a big part i know uh through the pandemic i spoke with family members who had uh elderly

00:08:28.440 family members uh in in care facilities they were not able to see them they were not able to visit

00:08:34.040 with them and their health was simply just declining because of the lack of uh you know

00:08:41.800 stimulation and and the social how the socialization just you know keeps us healthy and

00:08:50.040 and i think that that's even a a provable health statistic but you know people who were really

00:08:55.720 concerned about their elderly loved ones uh feeling so depressed lonely and isolated

00:09:02.440 no that's absolutely right and i mean and the other issue we've consulted with psychiatrists

00:09:07.940 who are going to be willing who are willing to provide expert testimony in this regard

00:09:11.900 people that suffer ptsd like you know and especially you know let's look at you know

00:09:16.680 victims of sexual assault and people that have suffered you know horrific events in their lives

00:09:21.860 and they're suffering from ptsd psychiatrists that i've spoken to say that it's you know it

00:09:26.620 just completely violates their sense of personal autonomy to be forced through these vaccine

00:09:32.780 uh mandatory vaccine passport programs to be vaccinated against their will or being threatened

00:09:38.280 you know at ahs through the loss of their jobs unless they're vaccinated against their will or

00:09:43.420 other employers terminating them um you know because they're not vaccinated you know pursuant

00:09:48.540 to all of you know of you know dina hinshaw's orders making all of this acceptable in our society

00:09:54.900 You know, all the psychiatrists that I've spoken to say that this is, you know, that they have a number, they've had a number of patients who are suffering from PTSD, who are on the verge of suicide, you know, because of these heartless orders that were issued without any thought, apparently, or any care as to the effect that they would have on these vulnerable people.

00:10:14.660 Well, and speaking of that, one of the topics that I'm trying to remember if it was you or Mr. Gray, but went into in depth on the new normal. I feel like it was Leighton Gray that was looking into that.

00:10:31.520 But this idea that Hinshaw brought to a lot of the press conferences and the, you know, the public addresses in the province of Alberta, referring to that new normal.

00:10:47.460 Let's not forget for a second that Dr. Hinshaw was appointed by Rachel Notley.

00:10:51.900 And I mean, all of us just have to look to Shanghai this week and hear the people screaming, you know, in terror, locked in their apartment buildings and starving.

00:11:00.740 you know to understand you know what this could have looked like under a rachel notley government

00:11:05.620 i mean you know from the outset you know as upset as we've been with uh jason kenney and the fact

00:11:11.200 that he's been unwilling to stand up to the medical tyrants in this country you know just

00:11:15.760 imagine if rachel notley was in charge given the fact that her entire position throughout

00:11:20.660 was that dr hinshaw wasn't locking people down hard enough and that uh um you know that uh you 1.00

00:11:28.380 know anytime that the boot was taken off people's necks rachel notley would be out front screaming

00:11:33.700 and yelling that people should be you know should you know the boot should be on people's necks

00:11:37.680 tighter than it was previously so i mean it's it's a pretty horrific situation when you think about

00:11:43.060 it um and i guess that's one question that we're waiting to see the judges put some questions to

00:11:47.760 dr hinshaw in terms of whether uh the kenny government ordered her to lock down harder than

00:11:54.360 she wanted um but you know we thought we said in court that we think it's an interest also a 0.64

00:11:59.880 question that needs to be answered as to whether she was ordered to lock down less hard than she

00:12:04.920 wanted um you know and i think the public deserves you know deserves these answers and i certainly

00:12:11.000 hope we get them well and speaking of that topic um there was a part of her testimony that i caught

00:12:17.400 where where she did say that um that she would advise cabinet and they would form policy decisions

00:12:26.840 um and then the orders were sort of put put forward so so you know from from listening to

00:12:34.360 that testimony it did sound like she was confirming that in fact she she was making

00:12:41.880 these recommendations but ultimately policy was coming from cabinet and that would mean

00:12:49.240 that the orders were perhaps not formulated directly by her so what does that mean to you

00:12:58.120 and and what you were fighting for with this lawsuit well we're challenging orders of the

00:13:04.760 chief medical officer of health i mean we say from a legal perspective if you know jason kenny wants

00:13:11.000 to hide behind cabinet confidentiality they should have issued these orders under section 19

00:13:16.360 of the of the emergencies act which would then make it a cabinet decision but instead you know

00:13:23.040 they chose to pretend that these were medical orders coming from a medical doctor and in effect

00:13:29.040 we're using you know dina hinshaw as a scapegoat or what we need to determine is whether they're

00:13:33.980 using dina hinshaw as a scapegoat for what were purely cabinet decisions because that goes in

00:13:40.020 large part to whether these orders are even legal under the public health act given that um you know

00:13:46.740 section 29 of the public health act says that you know the chief medical officer of health can do

00:13:52.660 whatever she needs to abate the pandemic in if in her opinion it's necessary so is it her opinion

00:13:59.860 or is it jason kenny's opinion and it's certainly um it's certainly important to know as well from

00:14:05.460 the standpoint of section one of the charter what other alternatives were available i mean

00:14:10.500 if they can tell unvaccinated people they're not allowed to go to you know to restaurants

00:14:15.140 why didn't dina hinshaw issue orders to tell you know people over 60 not to go to restaurants she

00:14:20.900 certainly had the power to do it those are the people that are allegedly you know that are 1.00

00:14:25.220 filling the hospitals to the greatest degree was the evidence in court and you know dina hinshaw

00:14:31.620 you know completely um avoided that question you know by again simply say oh well they could you

00:14:37.300 know they could get it somewhere else but again same issue if you can if you can tell unvaccinated

00:14:42.340 people they're not allowed to go to a crowded restaurant a hockey game whatever it is why

00:14:47.940 can't you do the same with people over 60 or 65 if they're if if your only concern is that the

00:14:54.100 hospitals are filling up and obviously you know i think it's a question of some nicety as to whether

00:14:59.380 she was told that she couldn't isolate the people most likely to end up in hospital because the

00:15:04.820 people most likely to end up in hospital are most likely to donate money to the uh ucp

00:15:11.540 right so i mean it's a question of some nicety and these questions you know are not being answered

00:15:18.500 right now so having said all of that would that would that then change like so if your argument

00:15:24.660 is that these orders in fact should have come not as chief medical officer of health orders but

00:15:32.580 you know under the emergencies act or or you know whatever whatever section of the government that

00:15:39.860 that would come under does that does that change the um the position for you if if that is the

00:15:48.020 case because i know part of the problem was we couldn't hear from hinshaw on those particular

00:15:57.140 questions because of um you know the crown had uh invoked a a cabinet um confidentiality

00:16:07.940 argument basically yeah speak to that a little bit yeah we're still waiting for

00:16:14.740 madam justice romaine to rule on that point you know we say that the case law that they've submitted

00:16:20.100 doesn't apply in this case because of the level of decision making a little bit first explain it

00:16:26.180 a little bit first you'll do a much better job than me what they try to to do generally

00:16:34.420 the doctrine of cabinet confidentiality exists

00:16:37.220 to so in other words individual cabinet ministers if they express negative views that might be

00:16:45.960 politically harmful to them and their you know in their constituencies you know should be able

00:16:50.220 to speak frankly without fear of political backlash that's why the doctrine exists okay

00:16:56.080 we didn't ask specific questions as to who in cabinet ordered her to do what we simply asked

00:17:02.640 whether cabinet itself overruled what should have been her medical advice um you know and that's

00:17:10.080 that's the issue that the court's ruling on right now and we say that because of the level of

00:17:15.200 decision making which is it's allegedly you know dr hinshaw issuing orders as a medical doctor

00:17:21.620 under the public health act then cabinet confidentiality shouldn't apply if cabinet

00:17:28.140 is interfering in the issuance of those orders you know to our way of thinking that would be

00:17:33.340 no different than a member of cabinet interfering in a judicial process by phoning a judge behind

00:17:40.340 the scenes and trying to put a put their thumb on the scale you know the act is very the public

00:17:46.000 health act is very clear it's supposed to be dna hinshaw is the chief medical officer of health

00:17:52.240 opinion not the opinion of jason kenney telling her what to do so that they can all pretend that

00:17:59.740 you know that these were public health orders as opposed to political orders you know being

00:18:04.740 issued by jason kenney you know it's also you know pretty odd that she claims to be that you

00:18:10.260 know that she claims that we're all of her patients and that that she's the doctor for

00:18:16.040 everybody in alberta i pointed out in the hearing that you know there's no doctor in the world that

00:18:21.980 should keep their license if they tell their patient oh wait a minute you know before you know

00:18:27.060 i give you any treatment or before i continue with this surgery let me stop and check with the

00:18:33.820 political commissars who tell me how to practice medicine as to whether or not i'm entitled or

00:18:39.800 allowed to practice medicine on my patient or whether or not it's politically acceptable or

00:18:45.460 unacceptable you know to me this takes us straight into you know the days of the soviet union you

00:18:51.360 know when you had uh you know political officers and political commissars behind every decision

00:18:56.580 that was being made in society and it seems that that's where we're at again according to dina

00:19:01.300 so legally if it turned out that that was something sort of provable that these that

00:19:10.480 these decisions were actually not made from her is there consequence to that for consequence from

00:19:18.240 that is that these are not decisions that were made under section 29 of the public health act

00:19:22.840 and are accordingly illegal or ultra virus which is you know which is what we pled in our pleading

00:19:27.860 you know the government the government's trying to pretend that oh well this is all perfectly

00:19:32.700 normal you know in soliciting all of this advice you know she has to take it but you know she

00:19:38.080 she needs to consult with cabinet and take their views into account but that's not what she was

00:19:43.100 saying she wasn't saying you know i'm you know i consult with them and then i make up my own mind

00:19:48.100 in my own independent political medical opinion you know she says i just gave them advice and

00:19:53.860 then they told me what to do so you know again it seemed to me that she spent the entire week

00:19:59.300 throwing jason kenny under the bus want to take responsibility for you know some really

00:20:06.100 questionable decisions including the best summer ever policy and um uh you know the fact that i

00:20:13.060 think it's pretty clear that she didn't want to open up for some you know in 2021 but she was

00:20:18.660 ordered to do it against medical advice sorry was that jason nixon in the background or no i i do

00:20:26.260 have dogs though that are uh reacting to our interview so sorry about that but um uh so um

00:20:34.660 um interestingly then with with that with that idea um and and and so there were questions that

00:20:45.640 you were posing to dr dina hinshaw she was not able to answer because of the crown saying that

00:20:51.160 that there was this cabinet uh privilege or you know um and you are waiting for the judge to rule

00:20:59.040 on that uh the judge did bring some questions to her privately and so that's what we're waiting

00:21:07.920 for is is for her to determine the well i think the process is the judge the judge is going to

00:21:14.380 make a ruling on the law you know with regard to cabinet confidentiality and then if you know she

00:21:20.280 determines you know that it's an argument either an open issue or an arguable issue you know she

00:21:25.600 would then put those questions to doctor is she's put the questions to dr hinshaw and i think

00:21:30.560 depending on what her ruling is on cabinet confidentiality she may or may not put those

00:21:36.160 the answers to those questions on the record right and then that may or may not you know open it up

00:21:43.600 for us to ask further questions of dr hinshaw i think is where we're at in the process so we're

00:21:48.720 still waiting for that ruling okay and then once you find out that ruling that will determine

00:21:53.780 whether you have the need to ask any further questions or not and then we're into uh sort of

00:22:00.820 closing arguments from both sides we're going to be submitting written closing arguments is what

00:22:06.420 we've been advised by the court um so you know that's you know that's the process that we'll be

00:22:11.700 following now with written submitted uh closing arguments uh does that somehow prevent the public

00:22:20.340 generally from being able to see or hear no because they'll be they'll be filed as part

00:22:25.460 of the public record so um you know they you know they would be they would be they would be

00:22:30.260 available to the public of art okay and we will definitely receive yours and uh and uh follow up

00:22:37.060 and and like we can talk through some of it yeah absolutely did you get a sense can you even speak

00:22:45.780 to this right now did you get a sense which way which direction you think things are going to go

00:22:52.180 oh i i couldn't i couldn't comment on that at this stage in the proceedings melanie it wouldn't be

00:22:56.660 appropriate from a professional perspective yeah but but i have to say that you know the evidence

00:23:02.500 that we've seen today um you know has been quite eye-opening um you know in terms of uh you know

00:23:09.620 in terms of a lot of the issues that we've you know that we've discussed and the evidence that

00:23:13.620 wasn't tendered by the government i mean they haven't shown you know to anybody's satisfaction

00:23:18.900 that they actually took the you know have really considered that they actually really considered

00:23:24.340 the negative consequences of all of those lockdown orders on human life in alberta you know increased

00:23:31.620 suicides increased opioid addiction increased alcohol addiction business bankruptcies uh the

00:23:37.860 degree to which you know our economy the billions of dollars that have been taken out of our economy

00:23:42.660 i mean i'd like all of your you know all of your viewers and all of your listeners to consider

00:23:47.060 that the hinge out orders likely took a billion dollars or more out of the alberta economy

00:23:53.380 and even half of that had been put back into the health care system in this province with doctors

00:23:59.060 being given raises and nurses being given raises and people within that system being treated

00:24:04.420 appropriately uh you know with verna you being fired much earlier than she was and somebody

00:24:10.100 confident being put in charge of ahs um you know how much better off we would have been you know

00:24:15.540 because the suggestion that we're getting under this whole new normal idea from dina hinshaw

00:24:21.460 is that on a going forward basis anytime we have a respiratory outbreak the respiratory disease

00:24:28.260 outbreak that taxes our hospitals we can all be locked up in our homes again this is the new

00:24:33.620 normal and i mean this new normal only exists because of underfunding of our health care system

00:24:39.620 um you know by the government of alberta so you know i'd like everybody to consider that

00:24:45.220 um you know next time they you know they they think that uh you know the next time they go to

00:24:49.620 the polls uh to vote for somebody you know for being misled with regard to health care in this

00:24:56.820 province i know we just uh published a story within the last couple of days on the western

00:25:03.460 standard about the fact that um very few provinces even with the billions that were spent throughout

00:25:12.100 the pandemic across the country very few provinces actually saw an increase in their capacities in

00:25:20.740 their hospitals an increase in uh you know beds and healthcare workers to sort of man those beds

00:25:28.260 so it you know one would one would wonder were the right steps taken you know and i think that's

00:25:36.740 what the argument comes down to did we make the right decisions our benighted prime minister

00:25:43.140 put over 600 billion dollars into serve you know think about what health care across canada would

00:25:49.460 look like if even half of that had been put into you know health care and i mean if we have a

00:25:55.300 shortage of doctors and nurses then you know anybody that qualifies for you know why didn't

00:26:00.020 we you know if we're on a wartime emergency footing you know why didn't we go into you know

00:26:05.140 emergency training of doctors and nurses in in canada and put a hundred billion dollars into

00:26:11.060 subsidizing doctors and nurses educations and paying people to go to medical school or pay

00:26:16.180 people to go to nursing school or pay people to be respiratory therapists you know instead of giving

00:26:22.260 all of this money to people who don't need the money to stay home and play nintendo and mommy

00:26:27.060 and daddy's basement i mean you know it's just been shocking the way that all of this has been

00:26:32.060 handled by you know complete incompetence at every level of government when are you expecting

00:26:40.980 to be submitting these uh that you're you're closing arguments your final arguments for this

00:26:46.780 and uh when do you think people can be expecting to to have an idea of where this is i would i

00:26:53.180 would imagine within the next you know within the next couple weeks we're still waiting for that one

00:26:57.180 ruling from uh from justice romaine so we're looking forward to that and then you know following

00:27:02.940 that i believe we'll be in with the court next week and we'll be discussing you know the timing

00:27:07.660 of filing uh a final argument so you know i would i would suspect within the within the next uh

00:27:13.900 within the next few weeks for sure if you don't see what you're hoping or what you're expecting

00:27:19.660 out of this is there an appeal process what what what's next well the funny thing about that is

00:27:25.580 the government of alberta has already put justice romaine on notice that if the ruling goes against

00:27:31.100 them on cabinet privilege they intend to make an application to her for an emergency stay of her

00:27:36.700 order and that they would be undertaking an emergency appeal to the court of appeal you

00:27:43.180 You know, that's how desperate Jason Kenney is to keep the truth from coming out as to the extent to which he was the one issuing the orders as opposed to Dina Hinshaw.

00:27:53.500 Well, that's interesting.

00:27:55.680 Is that normal?

00:27:57.280 Would you have expected to see that?

00:27:59.980 It's not very often that lawyers tell a judge in advance of a ruling that they intend to appeal it if it goes the wrong way.

00:28:08.980 so you know i mean take it take it for what it's worth but uh uh it's certainly uh an unusual

00:28:15.700 tactic i have to say now perhaps you can just fill me in if you are successful what is the

00:28:23.720 consequence what happens what are you what what well i mean all that happens is that the three

00:28:28.460 questions that the judge put to uh dr hinshaw you know are put on the record and then we'll you know

00:28:35.180 we determine whether or not we're permitted to ask any further questions you know on that same

00:28:39.920 line of questioning to fill in whatever gaps exist and then we would go to final argument

00:28:44.800 right so um you know that's that's where that's at and then if the judge uh uh you know if the

00:28:51.380 judge doesn't rule in our favor we still go to final uh you know we still go to final argument

00:28:56.160 um you know at the end of the day i don't think that we you know we'd be bringing in an emergency

00:29:00.700 appeal right but i guess my question is is if the lawsuit is successful in your favor

00:29:10.660 uh what's the consequence does dr hinshaw need to step down is there is there those are political

00:29:18.300 questions i mean at the end of the day i think that you know the consequence is that the government

00:29:22.860 the the people of the province of alberta um you know have some really clear guidance as to whether

00:29:29.320 what they've been suffering, you know, for the last, you know, up until this hearing sort of

00:29:35.500 cuts off at the date of Dina Hinshaw's affidavit, which was July of 2021, you know, whether all of

00:29:41.560 the orders and decisions made up to July of 2021 were lawful, either under the charter or either

00:29:48.240 under the Bill of Rights. And then at that point, everybody can advise themselves accordingly in

00:29:53.500 terms of the revenues, right? You know, at this point, we're, you know, we're, you know, still

00:29:58.060 just seeking to have all of those orders struck down um you know a lot of it you know is argued

00:30:03.260 you know could arguably be moot but i think it's important you know for people to know what we've

00:30:08.380 whether what we've suffered in the eyes of our courts were you know was legal or not um you

00:30:14.860 know certainly our clients take the position that it wasn't it was also extremely telling that you

00:30:19.580 know dr hinshaw admitted um you know that she never attended you know my client's gym didn't

00:30:25.180 understand you know how it was that my client could operate her gym safely within the context

00:30:31.000 of a COVID environment didn't know that there'd been no reported cases of COVID that could be

00:30:36.060 traced to my client's gym etc yet you know my client suffered nonetheless you know so you know

00:30:42.780 those are all things that people need to take into account and I think there has to you know

00:30:46.320 there has to be some transparency here so that people can understand what was going on in our

00:30:51.280 you know in our society a couple more questions so so in in the situation where you are successful

00:30:58.300 with this lawsuit does it open the door for people to then uh you know sue for losses damages

00:31:06.080 whether it's you know uh loss of employment or the crumbling of their business or you know any

00:31:13.620 any of the um sort of economic or or i think all i certainly think i certainly think all of those

00:31:20.020 things are on the table you know and again we'll just have to see where we end up at the end of

00:31:24.360 the day in the context of whatever ruling comes from the court um you know the other thing that

00:31:29.980 was really interesting and i think people that are listening and paying attention to what's going on

00:31:34.100 everybody needs to start writing their mla and demanding a public inquiry into everything that

00:31:40.460 went on um you know under dr hinshaw's medical dictatorship in this province um so the government

00:31:47.320 lawyers throughout this case repeatedly state on the record that this is not a public inquiry

00:31:52.900 we're restricted to these narrow issues well there needs to be a public inquiry people need to know

00:31:58.420 um you know who's responsible for their loved ones committing suicide people need to know

00:32:03.440 who's responsible for bankrupting their businesses and destroying the economic self-sufficiency

00:32:08.600 of their families you know people need to know um you know who actually is responsible for um you

00:32:16.380 know the loss of liberty in this province and the idea that the loss of liberty in this province

00:32:21.780 anytime a hospital gets overcrowded is the new normal you know this is you know these are

00:32:27.900 questions that Albertans demand answers to and as much as Jason Kenney wants to run and hide

00:32:33.960 you know from the issue you know you know you know prevention the provincial equivalent of a

00:32:39.940 royal commission needs to be established sooner rather than later to look into all of these issues

00:32:45.440 And if Jason Kenney, you know, really had the guts that he claims that he has, then he should be waiving cabinet privilege and it should all be on the table so that people can see what was going on throughout.

00:32:57.240 I mean, it shouldn't be any real political risk to him because the reality of it is Rachel Notley's position is that she would have locked down harder and hurt people more.

00:33:07.480 So where's the political downside for him anyway?

00:33:10.300 You know, given that, you know, Rachel Notley would turn Alberta into Shanghai if she's given the opportunity.

00:33:16.900 Well, and as I mentioned a little bit earlier, too, I think it also, you know, the goal should be to really assess the decisions that were made and how we would move through something like this again.

00:33:33.480 and and avoid the the negative uh you know making sure that that the decisions that are made in the

00:33:42.680 future for something similar would be less damaging economically socially uh you know

00:33:51.000 that's the entire point of a public inquiry right because government certainly doesn't seem to have

00:33:56.500 carried out an appropriate i mean that's the issue before the court is whether or not the

00:34:00.860 government carried out an appropriate section one analysis under the oaks test it certainly doesn't

00:34:06.340 seem like they have on the basis of the evidence before the court and certainly you know all of

00:34:12.720 that needs to be considered in the context of a public inquiry you know as to whether or not

00:34:17.760 there was a massive failure and breach of the public trust by not considering those issues

00:34:23.860 like why wasn't dina hinshaw consulting with the medic the chief medical examiner with regard to

00:34:29.740 how many suicides in 2021 and onward you know were in fact caused by her lockdown orders you

00:34:35.380 know why wasn't jason kenny doing that as opposed to just spewing propaganda about how overall the

00:34:41.720 suicide rate was down by five percent you know when we all know that there were people that were

00:34:46.020 killing themselves because of the devastation of their businesses and the degree to which people

00:34:51.420 were being you know losing their jobs and being coerced against their will um you know into uh

00:34:56.860 know being vaccinated with products which are appearing more and more to be purely experimental

00:35:03.340 uh in violation of the of the nuremberg code well we're uh we're hoping you'll keep us updated if

00:35:10.540 and when you do hear back from the chief medical examiner on your inquiry about you know an

00:35:16.860 investigation into those suicides that would be considered linked to some of those lockdown

00:35:23.820 measures and certainly plan to touch base with you in the coming weeks when you do hear back

00:35:30.220 from the judge and we do get a ruling on this. Yeah and we certainly do intend to follow up

00:35:37.200 with the chief medical examiner you know with regard to both Mr. Gray and my letter of

00:35:43.080 last week so when if we hear anything on that believe me I'll keep you posted.

00:35:48.080 all right well thanks very much for joining us for the update and for sort of your analysis of

00:35:54.720 how the testimony went last week and we will keep in touch and we will follow up with you

00:36:00.480 in the coming weeks thank you melanie and thank you again to everybody at the western standard

00:36:05.040 for the excellent job they've been doing covering this. So thank you again. Thanks, Jeff.

Western Standard - April 15, 2022

WATCH： Calgary lawyer Jeff Rath reviews Dr. Hinshaw's 'questionable' testimony

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