00:00:00.000Good evening, I'm Melanie Rizdin with the Western Standard. Last week we did some extensive
00:00:14.960coverage of the testimony from Dr. Dina Hinshaw for the lawsuit that is currently sort of underway
00:00:22.360against the Alberta government for all of the lockdown measures and the chief medical officer
00:00:30.220of health orders that were issued by Dr. Hinshaw. Joining me to discuss some of that testimony and
00:00:38.420just walk us through a little bit of what was exposed and what was discussed throughout that
00:00:45.660testimony is Jeff Rath, one of the lawyers that participated in the lawsuit. Thanks for joining
00:00:52.920us, Jeff. Good afternoon, Melanie. Obviously, the thing that I found the most fascinating
00:00:58.600was the lengths that Dr. Hinshaw went to throw Jason Kenney under the bus last week,
00:01:06.160repeatedly swearing under oath that the so-called Chief Medical Officer of Health orders that have
00:01:12.420been issued aren't her orders but are effectively orders from Jason Kenney I thought that was one of
00:01:19.120the big takeaways from last week we were somewhat amazed to hear that to say the least one of our
00:01:26.500other big takeaways last week was that Dr Hinshaw swore under oath that she didn't understand or
00:01:32.760didn't know what was more effective natural immunity or she calls it post-infection immunity
00:01:39.720or vaccinated immunity and that's after standing up in public for the last two and a half years
00:01:45.600telling people or two years telling people that have had covid that they should get vaccinated
00:01:50.420anyway um because vaccinated immunity is better than uh natural immunity so that was i thought
00:01:57.980that was uh that was pretty shocking last week i certainly thought that was worth the price of
00:02:02.760machine yeah i i was listening in for the her testimony through the week uh she testified
00:02:11.080monday to thursday and uh i too found that interesting uh it felt like you sort of had to
00:02:17.800ask a number of times um with regard to the efficacy of of the vaccines when it came to
00:02:26.280producing some form of immunity to covet 19 versus somebody who who has actually contracted
00:02:36.360covet 19 and thus would be relying on natural immunity so what was it forthright or forth she
00:02:44.600wasn't very forthright or forthcoming in much of her testimony um the other thing that i thought
00:02:50.040was fascinating um the new scare tactic i think that they're using is this alleged existence of
00:02:56.440long coven so everything now is oh my god you got to get vaccinated because of long coven so they're
00:03:01.560trying to find new excuses to sell vaccines and the interesting thing was when i asked her about
00:03:06.520this alleged long coven and whether um she had any data to support the existence of long coven
00:03:12.760in alberta or whether she could point to a single case of long coven in alberta she couldn't but
00:03:18.760claim that the reason that she knew it existed was from you know international publications
00:03:24.120so then when I asked her you know on the basis that she was completely lacking in data
00:03:29.240and I said so this alleged long COVID you keep talking about is it possible that this so-called
00:03:34.520long COVID is in fact people that have recovered from COVID that have been forced to get vaccinated
00:03:40.360who are now vaccine injured right and again she wasn't forthcoming in her answer and at best
00:03:47.960you know it's clear that she doesn't know whether long COVID exists whether it's a result of
00:03:52.680vaccine injuries as opposed to you know any such condition as long COVID and it seemed to me that
00:03:59.560she was engaged in you know basically you know the continuation of her ongoing propaganda exercises
00:04:05.640that she's been subjecting this to for the last you know for the last two years.
00:04:09.800with the topic of long coven were you provided anything uh with any kind of explanation of what
00:04:19.340you would be experiencing if you know no and again oh sorry no i didn't mean to cut you off
00:04:25.560sorry um explanation and again it's just one of those scare tactics that they've been using it's
00:04:31.320like you know if you remember you know when they're trying to keep people locked up in
00:04:35.180airport hotels or whatever it was all about variants of concern being very concerning we
00:04:40.360need to be concerned about variants of concern well now it's the same thing with long covid
00:04:44.860they don't know if it exists there's no cases that they can point to in alberta but oh my goodness we
00:04:50.160all need to be afraid of long covid and this is why parents should rush out and get their children
00:04:55.040vaccinated notwithstanding that all the data that's coming out from pfizer indicates children
00:05:00.940are more likely to be harmed by the vaccines than they are to be harmed by COVID so it's just part
00:05:06.000of this ongoing terror campaign where they're trying to terrorize parents into vaccinating
00:05:11.180their children against all sound medical advice at this point so it's you know to me I found that
00:05:17.000to be pretty shocking the other thing that I found to be really shocking was on the subject of
00:05:22.820suicides in Alberta and when she acknowledged that the table that she put in her affidavit
00:05:28.460you know didn't mean that there were no suicides that were caused by COVID and all the table said
00:05:34.660was that there's a five percent decrease from 2020 to 2021 and we can quibble about whether or not
00:05:41.880you know suicides are being buried in drug overdoses or being buried elsewhere but she
00:05:47.060did acknowledge that you know that she was prepared to accept that her orders may have contributed
00:05:53.220to suicides in the province but what really shocked me was you know when i kept pressing
00:05:58.260her on it to try to get a clear answer as to whether or not this was factored into
00:06:01.880her thinking in terms of a cost benefit analysis of her orders and i asked her whether she knew
00:06:08.200how many people died as a result of from suicide as a result of her orders she said that that was
00:06:13.500an issue for the medical exam chief medical examiner of alberta and then when i pressed
00:06:18.160her on that to ask her whether she consulted with the chief medical examiner with regard
00:06:22.860to how many suicides were attributable to her orders um she hadn't so you know the lack of care
00:06:29.380that the so-called chief medical officer of health who claims to be the doctor for all
00:06:34.180you know Albertans and were all her patients you know seems to be exhibiting towards people in this
00:06:39.620society um you know to my way of thinking is completely shocking now I know that during this
00:06:47.920You and the other lawyer, Leighton Gray, that you were working with for this for this lawsuit, you have put together a legal letter and sent it to the chief medical examiner in the province.
00:07:03.300What were you looking for with that letter?
00:07:07.680We're looking for an investigator to be appointed to look into all of the suicides that occurred in Alberta in 2021 to determine how many of them were directly attributable to COVID.
00:07:19.480I mean, since we sent that letter out and since the Western Standard did its story, you know, our office has been receiving, you know, a steady stream of letters from family members in Alberta whose family members they believe died as a direct result, you know, from suicide as a direct result of all of the lockdown orders that people have been suffering under.
00:07:41.300you know people being you know forced against their will to be vaccinated people losing their
00:07:45.740jobs because they're not being not vaccinated then not being allowed to go to restaurants
00:07:50.040because they're not vaccinated and all the rest of the foolishness that people have been living
00:07:54.560under in this province um you know we've received a number of letters from family members of people
00:07:59.880who've committed you know who've committed suicide as a result of all the psychological pressure
00:08:05.920that was being placed on them through these completely heartless orders of Dina Hinshaw
00:08:10.600well and not only that but the isolation i think i think the isolation that a lot of people felt
00:08:19.560played a big part i know uh through the pandemic i spoke with family members who had uh elderly
00:08:28.440family members uh in in care facilities they were not able to see them they were not able to visit
00:08:34.040with them and their health was simply just declining because of the lack of uh you know
00:08:41.800stimulation and and the social how the socialization just you know keeps us healthy and
00:08:50.040and i think that that's even a a provable health statistic but you know people who were really
00:08:55.720concerned about their elderly loved ones uh feeling so depressed lonely and isolated
00:09:02.440no that's absolutely right and i mean and the other issue we've consulted with psychiatrists
00:09:07.940who are going to be willing who are willing to provide expert testimony in this regard
00:09:11.900people that suffer ptsd like you know and especially you know let's look at you know
00:09:16.680victims of sexual assault and people that have suffered you know horrific events in their lives
00:09:21.860and they're suffering from ptsd psychiatrists that i've spoken to say that it's you know it
00:09:26.620just completely violates their sense of personal autonomy to be forced through these vaccine
00:09:32.780uh mandatory vaccine passport programs to be vaccinated against their will or being threatened
00:09:38.280you know at ahs through the loss of their jobs unless they're vaccinated against their will or
00:09:43.420other employers terminating them um you know because they're not vaccinated you know pursuant
00:09:48.540to all of you know of you know dina hinshaw's orders making all of this acceptable in our society
00:09:54.900You know, all the psychiatrists that I've spoken to say that this is, you know, that they have a number, they've had a number of patients who are suffering from PTSD, who are on the verge of suicide, you know, because of these heartless orders that were issued without any thought, apparently, or any care as to the effect that they would have on these vulnerable people.
00:10:14.660Well, and speaking of that, one of the topics that I'm trying to remember if it was you or Mr. Gray, but went into in depth on the new normal. I feel like it was Leighton Gray that was looking into that.
00:10:31.520But this idea that Hinshaw brought to a lot of the press conferences and the, you know, the public addresses in the province of Alberta, referring to that new normal.
00:10:47.460Let's not forget for a second that Dr. Hinshaw was appointed by Rachel Notley.
00:10:51.900And I mean, all of us just have to look to Shanghai this week and hear the people screaming, you know, in terror, locked in their apartment buildings and starving.
00:11:00.740you know to understand you know what this could have looked like under a rachel notley government
00:11:05.620i mean you know from the outset you know as upset as we've been with uh jason kenney and the fact
00:11:11.200that he's been unwilling to stand up to the medical tyrants in this country you know just
00:11:15.760imagine if rachel notley was in charge given the fact that her entire position throughout
00:11:20.660was that dr hinshaw wasn't locking people down hard enough and that uh um you know that uh you
00:11:28.380know anytime that the boot was taken off people's necks rachel notley would be out front screaming
00:11:33.700and yelling that people should be you know should you know the boot should be on people's necks
00:11:37.680tighter than it was previously so i mean it's it's a pretty horrific situation when you think about
00:11:43.060it um and i guess that's one question that we're waiting to see the judges put some questions to
00:11:47.760dr hinshaw in terms of whether uh the kenny government ordered her to lock down harder than
00:11:54.360she wanted um but you know we thought we said in court that we think it's an interest also a
00:11:59.880question that needs to be answered as to whether she was ordered to lock down less hard than she
00:12:04.920wanted um you know and i think the public deserves you know deserves these answers and i certainly
00:12:11.000hope we get them well and speaking of that topic um there was a part of her testimony that i caught
00:12:17.400where where she did say that um that she would advise cabinet and they would form policy decisions
00:12:26.840um and then the orders were sort of put put forward so so you know from from listening to
00:12:34.360that testimony it did sound like she was confirming that in fact she she was making
00:12:41.880these recommendations but ultimately policy was coming from cabinet and that would mean
00:12:49.240that the orders were perhaps not formulated directly by her so what does that mean to you
00:12:58.120and and what you were fighting for with this lawsuit well we're challenging orders of the
00:13:04.760chief medical officer of health i mean we say from a legal perspective if you know jason kenny wants
00:13:11.000to hide behind cabinet confidentiality they should have issued these orders under section 19
00:13:16.360of the of the emergencies act which would then make it a cabinet decision but instead you know
00:13:23.040they chose to pretend that these were medical orders coming from a medical doctor and in effect
00:13:29.040we're using you know dina hinshaw as a scapegoat or what we need to determine is whether they're
00:13:33.980using dina hinshaw as a scapegoat for what were purely cabinet decisions because that goes in
00:13:40.020large part to whether these orders are even legal under the public health act given that um you know
00:13:46.740section 29 of the public health act says that you know the chief medical officer of health can do
00:13:52.660whatever she needs to abate the pandemic in if in her opinion it's necessary so is it her opinion
00:13:59.860or is it jason kenny's opinion and it's certainly um it's certainly important to know as well from
00:14:05.460the standpoint of section one of the charter what other alternatives were available i mean
00:14:10.500if they can tell unvaccinated people they're not allowed to go to you know to restaurants
00:14:15.140why didn't dina hinshaw issue orders to tell you know people over 60 not to go to restaurants she
00:14:20.900certainly had the power to do it those are the people that are allegedly you know that are
00:14:25.220filling the hospitals to the greatest degree was the evidence in court and you know dina hinshaw
00:14:31.620you know completely um avoided that question you know by again simply say oh well they could you
00:14:37.300know they could get it somewhere else but again same issue if you can if you can tell unvaccinated
00:14:42.340people they're not allowed to go to a crowded restaurant a hockey game whatever it is why
00:14:47.940can't you do the same with people over 60 or 65 if they're if if your only concern is that the
00:14:54.100hospitals are filling up and obviously you know i think it's a question of some nicety as to whether
00:14:59.380she was told that she couldn't isolate the people most likely to end up in hospital because the
00:15:04.820people most likely to end up in hospital are most likely to donate money to the uh ucp
00:15:11.540right so i mean it's a question of some nicety and these questions you know are not being answered
00:15:18.500right now so having said all of that would that would that then change like so if your argument
00:15:24.660is that these orders in fact should have come not as chief medical officer of health orders but
00:15:32.580you know under the emergencies act or or you know whatever whatever section of the government that
00:15:39.860that would come under does that does that change the um the position for you if if that is the
00:15:48.020case because i know part of the problem was we couldn't hear from hinshaw on those particular
00:15:57.140questions because of um you know the crown had uh invoked a a cabinet um confidentiality
00:16:07.940argument basically yeah speak to that a little bit yeah we're still waiting for
00:16:14.740madam justice romaine to rule on that point you know we say that the case law that they've submitted
00:16:20.100doesn't apply in this case because of the level of decision making a little bit first explain it
00:16:26.180a little bit first you'll do a much better job than me what they try to to do generally
00:16:34.420the doctrine of cabinet confidentiality exists
00:16:37.220to so in other words individual cabinet ministers if they express negative views that might be
00:16:45.960politically harmful to them and their you know in their constituencies you know should be able
00:16:50.220to speak frankly without fear of political backlash that's why the doctrine exists okay
00:16:56.080we didn't ask specific questions as to who in cabinet ordered her to do what we simply asked
00:17:02.640whether cabinet itself overruled what should have been her medical advice um you know and that's
00:17:10.080that's the issue that the court's ruling on right now and we say that because of the level of
00:17:15.200decision making which is it's allegedly you know dr hinshaw issuing orders as a medical doctor
00:17:21.620under the public health act then cabinet confidentiality shouldn't apply if cabinet
00:17:28.140is interfering in the issuance of those orders you know to our way of thinking that would be
00:17:33.340no different than a member of cabinet interfering in a judicial process by phoning a judge behind
00:17:40.340the scenes and trying to put a put their thumb on the scale you know the act is very the public
00:17:46.000health act is very clear it's supposed to be dna hinshaw is the chief medical officer of health
00:17:52.240opinion not the opinion of jason kenney telling her what to do so that they can all pretend that
00:17:59.740you know that these were public health orders as opposed to political orders you know being
00:18:04.740issued by jason kenney you know it's also you know pretty odd that she claims to be that you
00:18:10.260know that she claims that we're all of her patients and that that she's the doctor for
00:18:16.040everybody in alberta i pointed out in the hearing that you know there's no doctor in the world that
00:18:21.980should keep their license if they tell their patient oh wait a minute you know before you know
00:18:27.060i give you any treatment or before i continue with this surgery let me stop and check with the
00:18:33.820political commissars who tell me how to practice medicine as to whether or not i'm entitled or
00:18:39.800allowed to practice medicine on my patient or whether or not it's politically acceptable or
00:18:45.460unacceptable you know to me this takes us straight into you know the days of the soviet union you
00:18:51.360know when you had uh you know political officers and political commissars behind every decision
00:18:56.580that was being made in society and it seems that that's where we're at again according to dina
00:19:01.300so legally if it turned out that that was something sort of provable that these that
00:19:10.480these decisions were actually not made from her is there consequence to that for consequence from
00:19:18.240that is that these are not decisions that were made under section 29 of the public health act
00:19:22.840and are accordingly illegal or ultra virus which is you know which is what we pled in our pleading
00:19:27.860you know the government the government's trying to pretend that oh well this is all perfectly
00:19:32.700normal you know in soliciting all of this advice you know she has to take it but you know she
00:19:38.080she needs to consult with cabinet and take their views into account but that's not what she was
00:19:43.100saying she wasn't saying you know i'm you know i consult with them and then i make up my own mind
00:19:48.100in my own independent political medical opinion you know she says i just gave them advice and
00:19:53.860then they told me what to do so you know again it seemed to me that she spent the entire week
00:19:59.300throwing jason kenny under the bus want to take responsibility for you know some really
00:20:06.100questionable decisions including the best summer ever policy and um uh you know the fact that i
00:20:13.060think it's pretty clear that she didn't want to open up for some you know in 2021 but she was
00:20:18.660ordered to do it against medical advice sorry was that jason nixon in the background or no i i do
00:20:26.260have dogs though that are uh reacting to our interview so sorry about that but um uh so um
00:20:34.660um interestingly then with with that with that idea um and and and so there were questions that
00:20:45.640you were posing to dr dina hinshaw she was not able to answer because of the crown saying that
00:20:51.160that there was this cabinet uh privilege or you know um and you are waiting for the judge to rule
00:20:59.040on that uh the judge did bring some questions to her privately and so that's what we're waiting
00:21:07.920for is is for her to determine the well i think the process is the judge the judge is going to
00:21:14.380make a ruling on the law you know with regard to cabinet confidentiality and then if you know she
00:21:20.280determines you know that it's an argument either an open issue or an arguable issue you know she
00:21:25.600would then put those questions to doctor is she's put the questions to dr hinshaw and i think
00:21:30.560depending on what her ruling is on cabinet confidentiality she may or may not put those
00:21:36.160the answers to those questions on the record right and then that may or may not you know open it up
00:21:43.600for us to ask further questions of dr hinshaw i think is where we're at in the process so we're
00:21:48.720still waiting for that ruling okay and then once you find out that ruling that will determine
00:21:53.780whether you have the need to ask any further questions or not and then we're into uh sort of
00:22:00.820closing arguments from both sides we're going to be submitting written closing arguments is what
00:22:06.420we've been advised by the court um so you know that's you know that's the process that we'll be
00:22:11.700following now with written submitted uh closing arguments uh does that somehow prevent the public
00:22:20.340generally from being able to see or hear no because they'll be they'll be filed as part
00:22:25.460of the public record so um you know they you know they would be they would be they would be
00:22:30.260available to the public of art okay and we will definitely receive yours and uh and uh follow up
00:22:37.060and and like we can talk through some of it yeah absolutely did you get a sense can you even speak
00:22:45.780to this right now did you get a sense which way which direction you think things are going to go
00:22:52.180oh i i couldn't i couldn't comment on that at this stage in the proceedings melanie it wouldn't be
00:22:56.660appropriate from a professional perspective yeah but but i have to say that you know the evidence
00:23:02.500that we've seen today um you know has been quite eye-opening um you know in terms of uh you know
00:23:09.620in terms of a lot of the issues that we've you know that we've discussed and the evidence that
00:23:13.620wasn't tendered by the government i mean they haven't shown you know to anybody's satisfaction
00:23:18.900that they actually took the you know have really considered that they actually really considered
00:23:24.340the negative consequences of all of those lockdown orders on human life in alberta you know increased
00:23:31.620suicides increased opioid addiction increased alcohol addiction business bankruptcies uh the
00:23:37.860degree to which you know our economy the billions of dollars that have been taken out of our economy
00:23:42.660i mean i'd like all of your you know all of your viewers and all of your listeners to consider
00:23:47.060that the hinge out orders likely took a billion dollars or more out of the alberta economy
00:23:53.380and even half of that had been put back into the health care system in this province with doctors
00:23:59.060being given raises and nurses being given raises and people within that system being treated
00:24:04.420appropriately uh you know with verna you being fired much earlier than she was and somebody
00:24:10.100confident being put in charge of ahs um you know how much better off we would have been you know
00:24:15.540because the suggestion that we're getting under this whole new normal idea from dina hinshaw
00:24:21.460is that on a going forward basis anytime we have a respiratory outbreak the respiratory disease
00:24:28.260outbreak that taxes our hospitals we can all be locked up in our homes again this is the new
00:24:33.620normal and i mean this new normal only exists because of underfunding of our health care system
00:24:39.620um you know by the government of alberta so you know i'd like everybody to consider that
00:24:45.220um you know next time they you know they they think that uh you know the next time they go to
00:24:49.620the polls uh to vote for somebody you know for being misled with regard to health care in this
00:24:56.820province i know we just uh published a story within the last couple of days on the western
00:25:03.460standard about the fact that um very few provinces even with the billions that were spent throughout
00:25:12.100the pandemic across the country very few provinces actually saw an increase in their capacities in
00:25:20.740their hospitals an increase in uh you know beds and healthcare workers to sort of man those beds
00:25:28.260so it you know one would one would wonder were the right steps taken you know and i think that's
00:25:36.740what the argument comes down to did we make the right decisions our benighted prime minister
00:25:43.140put over 600 billion dollars into serve you know think about what health care across canada would
00:25:49.460look like if even half of that had been put into you know health care and i mean if we have a
00:25:55.300shortage of doctors and nurses then you know anybody that qualifies for you know why didn't
00:26:00.020we you know if we're on a wartime emergency footing you know why didn't we go into you know
00:26:05.140emergency training of doctors and nurses in in canada and put a hundred billion dollars into
00:26:11.060subsidizing doctors and nurses educations and paying people to go to medical school or pay
00:26:16.180people to go to nursing school or pay people to be respiratory therapists you know instead of giving
00:26:22.260all of this money to people who don't need the money to stay home and play nintendo and mommy
00:26:27.060and daddy's basement i mean you know it's just been shocking the way that all of this has been
00:26:32.060handled by you know complete incompetence at every level of government when are you expecting
00:26:40.980to be submitting these uh that you're you're closing arguments your final arguments for this
00:26:46.780and uh when do you think people can be expecting to to have an idea of where this is i would i
00:26:53.180would imagine within the next you know within the next couple weeks we're still waiting for that one
00:26:57.180ruling from uh from justice romaine so we're looking forward to that and then you know following
00:27:02.940that i believe we'll be in with the court next week and we'll be discussing you know the timing
00:27:07.660of filing uh a final argument so you know i would i would suspect within the within the next uh
00:27:13.900within the next few weeks for sure if you don't see what you're hoping or what you're expecting
00:27:19.660out of this is there an appeal process what what what's next well the funny thing about that is
00:27:25.580the government of alberta has already put justice romaine on notice that if the ruling goes against
00:27:31.100them on cabinet privilege they intend to make an application to her for an emergency stay of her
00:27:36.700order and that they would be undertaking an emergency appeal to the court of appeal you
00:27:43.180You know, that's how desperate Jason Kenney is to keep the truth from coming out as to the extent to which he was the one issuing the orders as opposed to Dina Hinshaw.
00:27:59.980It's not very often that lawyers tell a judge in advance of a ruling that they intend to appeal it if it goes the wrong way.
00:28:08.980so you know i mean take it take it for what it's worth but uh uh it's certainly uh an unusual
00:28:15.700tactic i have to say now perhaps you can just fill me in if you are successful what is the
00:28:23.720consequence what happens what are you what what well i mean all that happens is that the three
00:28:28.460questions that the judge put to uh dr hinshaw you know are put on the record and then we'll you know
00:28:35.180we determine whether or not we're permitted to ask any further questions you know on that same
00:28:39.920line of questioning to fill in whatever gaps exist and then we would go to final argument
00:28:44.800right so um you know that's that's where that's at and then if the judge uh uh you know if the
00:28:51.380judge doesn't rule in our favor we still go to final uh you know we still go to final argument
00:28:56.160um you know at the end of the day i don't think that we you know we'd be bringing in an emergency
00:29:00.700appeal right but i guess my question is is if the lawsuit is successful in your favor
00:29:10.660uh what's the consequence does dr hinshaw need to step down is there is there those are political
00:29:18.300questions i mean at the end of the day i think that you know the consequence is that the government
00:29:22.860the the people of the province of alberta um you know have some really clear guidance as to whether
00:29:29.320what they've been suffering, you know, for the last, you know, up until this hearing sort of
00:29:35.500cuts off at the date of Dina Hinshaw's affidavit, which was July of 2021, you know, whether all of
00:29:41.560the orders and decisions made up to July of 2021 were lawful, either under the charter or either
00:29:48.240under the Bill of Rights. And then at that point, everybody can advise themselves accordingly in
00:29:53.500terms of the revenues, right? You know, at this point, we're, you know, we're, you know, still
00:29:58.060just seeking to have all of those orders struck down um you know a lot of it you know is argued
00:30:03.260you know could arguably be moot but i think it's important you know for people to know what we've
00:30:08.380whether what we've suffered in the eyes of our courts were you know was legal or not um you
00:30:14.860know certainly our clients take the position that it wasn't it was also extremely telling that you
00:30:19.580know dr hinshaw admitted um you know that she never attended you know my client's gym didn't
00:30:25.180understand you know how it was that my client could operate her gym safely within the context
00:30:31.000of a COVID environment didn't know that there'd been no reported cases of COVID that could be
00:30:36.060traced to my client's gym etc yet you know my client suffered nonetheless you know so you know
00:30:42.780those are all things that people need to take into account and I think there has to you know
00:30:46.320there has to be some transparency here so that people can understand what was going on in our
00:30:51.280you know in our society a couple more questions so so in in the situation where you are successful
00:30:58.300with this lawsuit does it open the door for people to then uh you know sue for losses damages
00:31:06.080whether it's you know uh loss of employment or the crumbling of their business or you know any
00:31:13.620any of the um sort of economic or or i think all i certainly think i certainly think all of those
00:31:20.020things are on the table you know and again we'll just have to see where we end up at the end of
00:31:24.360the day in the context of whatever ruling comes from the court um you know the other thing that
00:31:29.980was really interesting and i think people that are listening and paying attention to what's going on
00:31:34.100everybody needs to start writing their mla and demanding a public inquiry into everything that
00:31:40.460went on um you know under dr hinshaw's medical dictatorship in this province um so the government
00:31:47.320lawyers throughout this case repeatedly state on the record that this is not a public inquiry
00:31:52.900we're restricted to these narrow issues well there needs to be a public inquiry people need to know
00:31:58.420um you know who's responsible for their loved ones committing suicide people need to know
00:32:03.440who's responsible for bankrupting their businesses and destroying the economic self-sufficiency
00:32:08.600of their families you know people need to know um you know who actually is responsible for um you
00:32:16.380know the loss of liberty in this province and the idea that the loss of liberty in this province
00:32:21.780anytime a hospital gets overcrowded is the new normal you know this is you know these are
00:32:27.900questions that Albertans demand answers to and as much as Jason Kenney wants to run and hide
00:32:33.960you know from the issue you know you know you know prevention the provincial equivalent of a
00:32:39.940royal commission needs to be established sooner rather than later to look into all of these issues
00:32:45.440And if Jason Kenney, you know, really had the guts that he claims that he has, then he should be waiving cabinet privilege and it should all be on the table so that people can see what was going on throughout.
00:32:57.240I mean, it shouldn't be any real political risk to him because the reality of it is Rachel Notley's position is that she would have locked down harder and hurt people more.
00:33:07.480So where's the political downside for him anyway?
00:33:10.300You know, given that, you know, Rachel Notley would turn Alberta into Shanghai if she's given the opportunity.
00:33:16.900Well, and as I mentioned a little bit earlier, too, I think it also, you know, the goal should be to really assess the decisions that were made and how we would move through something like this again.
00:33:33.480and and avoid the the negative uh you know making sure that that the decisions that are made in the
00:33:42.680future for something similar would be less damaging economically socially uh you know
00:33:51.000that's the entire point of a public inquiry right because government certainly doesn't seem to have
00:33:56.500carried out an appropriate i mean that's the issue before the court is whether or not the
00:34:00.860government carried out an appropriate section one analysis under the oaks test it certainly doesn't
00:34:06.340seem like they have on the basis of the evidence before the court and certainly you know all of
00:34:12.720that needs to be considered in the context of a public inquiry you know as to whether or not
00:34:17.760there was a massive failure and breach of the public trust by not considering those issues
00:34:23.860like why wasn't dina hinshaw consulting with the medic the chief medical examiner with regard to
00:34:29.740how many suicides in 2021 and onward you know were in fact caused by her lockdown orders you
00:34:35.380know why wasn't jason kenny doing that as opposed to just spewing propaganda about how overall the
00:34:41.720suicide rate was down by five percent you know when we all know that there were people that were
00:34:46.020killing themselves because of the devastation of their businesses and the degree to which people
00:34:51.420were being you know losing their jobs and being coerced against their will um you know into uh
00:34:56.860know being vaccinated with products which are appearing more and more to be purely experimental
00:35:03.340uh in violation of the of the nuremberg code well we're uh we're hoping you'll keep us updated if
00:35:10.540and when you do hear back from the chief medical examiner on your inquiry about you know an
00:35:16.860investigation into those suicides that would be considered linked to some of those lockdown
00:35:23.820measures and certainly plan to touch base with you in the coming weeks when you do hear back
00:35:30.220from the judge and we do get a ruling on this. Yeah and we certainly do intend to follow up
00:35:37.200with the chief medical examiner you know with regard to both Mr. Gray and my letter of
00:35:43.080last week so when if we hear anything on that believe me I'll keep you posted.
00:35:48.080all right well thanks very much for joining us for the update and for sort of your analysis of
00:35:54.720how the testimony went last week and we will keep in touch and we will follow up with you
00:36:00.480in the coming weeks thank you melanie and thank you again to everybody at the western standard
00:36:05.040for the excellent job they've been doing covering this. So thank you again. Thanks, Jeff.