Western Standard - WATCH： Epidemic of vaccine injuries

00:00:00.000 Good evening, I'm Melanie Rizdin with the Western Standard. Thanks for joining us tonight.

00:00:15.120 Tonight we're going to be speaking with a doctor in Pinoka. He is an Alberta doctor,

00:00:20.440 a family doctor. His name is Dr. Gregory Chan, and we're going to be talking to Dr. Chan about

00:00:27.300 the uphill battle doctors are facing when it comes to not only diagnosing vaccine injuries but

00:00:37.060 but also the uphill battle in reporting them and and you know the system just ends up being

00:00:44.780 frustrating and uh yeah it's it's it's been a bit of a challenge so why don't we uh why don't we

00:00:50.640 chat with uh dr gregory chan thanks for joining me this evening hi so you have had a situation

00:01:00.240 where you have you have had patients come through who have been um what would seem vaccine injured

00:01:06.560 uh why don't you tell me a little bit about um sort of how the process has gone uh when it comes

00:01:12.800 to somebody coming in and uh and talking to you about the potential of experiencing a vaccine

00:01:19.760 injury or an adverse event from a vaccine well um since the vaccines have been um approved for use

00:01:30.320 and uh people in the general public have been using them you know it's been rolled out for

00:01:34.880 different populations as as time has passed um it's um i think it's important that we are vigilant

00:01:43.600 to see if there's any symptoms that are unusual or different related to this new new treatment

00:01:52.880 so usually what happens is that when they're when we're seeing patients we would

00:01:59.520 when i see a patient we'd take a thorough history then you do a physical examination and then you

00:02:04.720 come up with a diagnosis but seeing how a lot of people are are taking this taking these vaccines

00:02:13.600 um i thought it would be important to ask the question when someone presents with new symptoms

00:02:19.280 whether it's in the clinic or in the emergency department to ask the question have you had any

00:02:24.560 new treatments in the last three to four weeks before these new symptoms developed and you know

00:02:32.160 if you're doing your your standard history and physical before covid you wouldn't normally ask

00:02:37.760 that question but now that we have this new treatment that's out there i think it's it is

00:02:42.560 important to ask the question i don't think patients really have that in the forefront of

00:02:47.920 their mind because if you just do your standard pre-covered history and physical examination

00:02:53.600 it doesn't come up unless you actually ask about it right so you're running into um where

00:03:00.400 situations where your your patients aren't even sort of connecting the dots or thinking that it

00:03:06.080 it potentially could be related yes and i think there's probably a lot of reasons for that

00:03:13.040 you know when the vaccines were first put out there that the the messaging around it is that

00:03:21.760 once you're you get the vaccines are good you don't have to be concerned about anything you

00:03:28.080 can return to your normal day-to-day activities so i think a lot of people were under that

00:03:33.200 understanding that they could take the vaccines and then that they didn't have anything that

00:03:38.560 would be connected to it or be concerned about it but when you see people like for example in

00:03:44.480 the emergency departments or in the clinic and they have some new symptoms and you ask the question

00:03:49.440 then then there are people that have had new symptoms or worsening symptoms of a particular

00:03:57.280 condition that um are chronologically associated with taking the vaccine now i understand that you

00:04:06.560 have have personally seen quite a few people who have suffered what you have been uh you know able

00:04:14.720 to in your assessment link to a reaction to the vaccine um that's that's correct so when

00:04:24.640 when I ask the question if it if there isn't a chronological association you

00:04:30.180 just carry on with your your regular assessment but if there is an

00:04:34.640 association then you have to start asking a series of questions to

00:04:38.300 carefully determine if the symptom is chronologically related with the vaccine

00:04:43.980 or not and so how many people would you say you have seen that would have

00:04:50.900 presented with something that appeared to be a vaccine reaction or adverse event?

00:04:58.660 So by definition, an adverse event is something that is a new symptom. So something that's brand

00:05:06.180 new, or it could be a pre-existing condition, but the symptoms are increased intensity or

00:05:12.340 different in character to what it was before receiving the treatment. So those criteria have

00:05:18.020 to be met for it to be a vaccine related event so by my calculations and recording this since

00:05:27.780 since june of 2021 i have 50 submissions to the adverse event following immunization program

00:05:36.340 in alberta right and that's run by alberta health services i actually looked into

00:05:41.780 that and inquired about that process apparently the the group that assesses

00:05:48.420 these reports is is a group of AHS nurses they will either follow up with

00:05:54.380 the patient and get any additional details they need or they will also

00:05:59.060 sometimes follow up with a physician if they need further details but but one

00:06:04.220 of the challenges you were you were mentioning is that once you've sent that

00:06:08.300 off you may not hear anything again and so these are patients that you're treating that you're

00:06:13.900 dealing with um you know patients that potentially have concerns about what they're or what they're

00:06:19.500 seeing or and and you likely have concerns about what you're seeing and you don't you don't hear

00:06:24.620 back or you don't get a a summary of of the situation in in many cases um that's correct

00:06:33.020 um so of of the 50 submissions that i've had um i've had about 21 that i've received feedback on

00:06:41.100 and of those um i've had some clear i've had clear direction on whether the

00:06:46.540 the uh submission is accepted or rejected for um for about 12 12 of those cases

00:06:57.660 um so that's that's what i've experienced with making these submissions and and you should know

00:07:04.780 i should note that this is with the alberta program um the alberta program is supposed

00:07:09.900 is supposed to be linked with the canada the national program of uh vaccine injury reporting

00:07:18.060 so there is a difference between the two and the you're supposed to be able to submit to one and

00:07:23.100 and then it gets uploaded to the national program.

00:07:27.260 But there is a screening process that occurs

00:07:29.360 once you make a submission.

00:07:30.800 So the AEFI team will look at the information

00:07:34.860 and they will also phone the patient.

00:07:36.820 And then even after my assessment

00:07:41.760 where I determined that it does fit chronologically,

00:07:45.520 the symptoms are either new or worse than previous.

00:07:49.720 There is other criteria that have to be met

00:07:52.040 for it to be accepted as an adverse event.

00:07:55.380 And that other criteria is something

00:07:56.960 that I am not privy to.

00:07:59.100 Oh, okay, yeah.

00:08:00.820 Now, can you explain to me,

00:08:02.720 I mean, you've seen a lot of people,

00:08:04.720 what kinds of things are you seeing

00:08:07.060 when it comes to adverse reactions and events?

00:08:10.940 Well, thankfully, a lot of the adverse events are minor.

00:08:15.940 minor. So the minor ones would include like a very unusual rash, fever that persisted

00:08:24.400 for more than a couple of days, fatigue. A lot of those symptoms have resolved for my

00:08:31.520 patients, thankfully. Some of them are more significant. And those ones, also those ones

00:08:40.700 have have mostly resolved from patients that i've submitted the adverse events for now uh some of

00:08:47.740 the more severe ones what what have you seen there um well um without going into a lot of detail

00:08:55.660 because for patient confidentiality i can't say too much but i've had one patient that ended up

00:09:02.940 having a change in sensation for one half of the body after having their first injection

00:09:09.580 and it took several months for that to go away we had sent this person to see specialists and had

00:09:16.540 other investigations done and there was no clear answer as to why why this happened

00:09:23.980 at another young person who already had covid they had fully recovered and they were a high

00:09:31.820 they were a high performance athlete so during the time of having covid they were sick and they

00:09:37.900 couldn't perform at their usual intensity level you're almost back to their intensity level and

00:09:44.940 then have their first um first vaccine and then had a serious event they had to go to the hospital

00:09:52.860 and then at least two months of um a lot of exertional fatigue chest pain shortness of breath

00:10:00.060 and this is a high performance athlete so they know what what they are typically able to do

00:10:05.100 but they could not perform at the level expected for several months thankfully this person's back

00:10:11.100 to their usual level of functioning but from what they described to me it was it sounded like quite

00:10:16.220 a serious event now i think looking at some of the more severe events and and knowing that some of

00:10:27.180 of those were rejected as an adverse event therefore likely the the patient

00:10:34.080 would not be able to receive any kind of exemption and and it sounds like the

00:10:41.560 there's sort of a an understanding of what the what criteria would determine

00:10:48.900 what what an exemption would be provided for and it sounds like that is solely

00:10:54.720 for somebody who has an anaphylactic reaction is is that is that what your

00:10:59.940 understanding is too that's correct according to the physicians that are

00:11:07.040 part of the public health and our college the state that the only medical

00:11:14.040 indication that qualifies for an exemption is anaphylaxis to the first

00:11:19.020 dose of vaccine. So in some of these circumstances where you've seen people

00:11:25.660 somewhat severely or severely injured as a doctor you know you're you're

00:11:31.500 treating this patient you of course want what's best for your patients is it

00:11:35.100 concerning to you that that you know a report would come back and and still be

00:11:41.160 in encouraging them to have dose number two I mean I would imagine that would

00:11:47.740 That would be a bit concerning

00:11:50.980 Yeah, it is quite concerning

00:11:52.980 this young person that had a severe reaction and

00:11:57.100 could not participate in sports for at least two months with

00:12:02.320 With shortness of breath and chest pain

00:12:05.020 they were told to get their second dose and

00:12:10.900 That's

00:12:12.180 It doesn't see it doesn't fit with the college guidelines doesn't fit with what the medical

00:12:17.740 health is is advising patients to do but at the same time this person had a very very serious

00:12:23.500 reaction so it's understandable that the patient is concerned about receiving a second dose if I

00:12:33.160 imagine if I was in their situation and I was faced with the same scenario of having a severe

00:12:39.820 reaction like that I would also be hesitant and it's got to be difficult being a doctor because

00:12:47.320 you are sort of in charge of what I guess you would have to be careful at

00:12:52.120 what you're advising them moving forward right that's right I mean I can't deny

00:12:58.120 the reality of what's happened to to some of my patients again thankfully a

00:13:03.040 lot of these most of the people that I've submitted adverse events to their

00:13:07.960 mild reactions and they've they've resolved but for the ones that have

00:13:12.400 persistent symptoms or have more serious side effects. As a physician, I'm supposed to be

00:13:21.120 advocating for my patients. If my patient has had an event that was quite significant

00:13:29.920 and they are still having symptoms, then it is my duty to stand with my patients,

00:13:36.560 to say something for them, and to advocate for them. And I think I'm doing my job by doing

00:13:42.320 doing this yeah agreed I did speak with two other northern Alberta doctors who

00:13:49.460 both asked to remain anonymous and I can understand why there is there's a lot of

00:13:53.780 pressure that doctors are facing when it comes to talking about this and and I

00:13:58.400 think you know one of them even finished the conversation with me saying it's

00:14:02.960 it's really unfortunate that I can't have this conversation with you openly

00:14:07.320 you know for fear of having some sort of a reprisal from from the regulatory

00:14:14.160 bodies whether it's the call of College of Physicians and Surgeons or or some of

00:14:18.840 the other colleges it's you know it's it's sort of doctors are being silenced

00:14:24.360 and and this this isn't something that that they're feeling comfortable or able

00:14:28.980 to even even speak to and one of the doctors that I was speaking to said

00:14:35.500 exactly sort of this idea that it's never really been this way where the

00:14:41.420 college has interfered so much with the client or sorry the patient doctor

00:14:47.600 relationship I mean you're there you're you're hands-on with this patient you're

00:14:53.060 seeing them you've cared for them for however long you know and then you know

00:14:57.180 to have a third party or even this the the the team of adverse reaction report

00:15:04.620 the people that are sort of reviewing these reports,

00:15:09.200 come in and make these determinations

00:15:11.960 from the sidelines, they said.

00:15:13.880 It's very concerning to them.

00:15:18.100 Yeah, it's, you know, my job as a physician

00:15:22.480 is that I'm supposed to be taking a proper history,

00:15:26.100 physical examination, and making an appropriate diagnosis.

00:15:30.020 And in situations like this,

00:15:32.560 where a patient has had a negative outcome

00:15:38.120 from taking a medical treatment,

00:15:40.220 then I'm supposed to believe them.

00:15:42.180 I'm supposed to listen to their story

00:15:44.380 and what's happened to them.

00:15:46.180 And I'm not supposed to dismiss them.

00:15:48.260 I'm supposed to listen to what they have to say.

00:15:50.920 And I'm supposed to walk them through it.

00:15:54.620 And that's my job is to walk with my patients.

00:15:58.400 And if they've had a negative reaction,

00:16:00.520 than I'm supposed to stand with them.

00:16:03.420 And it's unfortunate that there are other regulatory bodies

00:16:08.600 that would encourage them to take that treatment again,

00:16:16.980 knowing that they had a significant reaction.

00:16:21.340 Yeah, we're actually going to be speaking

00:16:23.180 with some people who have had unbelievable reactions

00:16:28.180 reactions and adverse events that are incredible.

00:16:33.480 So we will be speaking with them in just a bit here.

00:16:38.180 One of the things that one of the anonymous doctors

00:16:40.940 had also mentioned is that a lot of these patients

00:16:43.960 are just, they're up against a wall.

00:16:45.820 I mean, some of the doctors that are treating them

00:16:48.280 don't know how to deal with what they're seeing.

00:16:50.540 I mean, they're seeing tests aren't revealing things,

00:16:54.940 but yet they're still suffering from symptoms.

00:16:57.280 And so what this other doctor said is that, you know, they're they're really concerned and sad about how some of these people are being treated and

00:17:05.260 They're just not getting answers. They're sent home

00:17:08.100 And then, you know

00:17:10.180 Very few physicians will even bother to look into it any further

00:17:14.640 So they're they're just kind of left on their own struggling to to be well

00:17:21.880 Yeah, and I and that's the difficult part

00:17:24.780 I mean, it's not satisfying to be in that situation where you don't have answers.

00:17:32.780 And certainly, you know, being a doctor, you'd like to help people and you'd like to try and

00:17:37.740 fix whatever's wrong. But unfortunately, in these situations, if we can't find an answer,

00:17:43.980 and they still have symptoms, then there isn't much that I can do medically as far as treating it.

00:17:50.940 um there are some other things that we could try um like um you know waiting to see if there are

00:17:59.360 other jurisdictions that have other other other recommendations unfortunately there isn't much

00:18:04.740 that's out there but um it just requires regular follow-up to say that just check in to see how

00:18:10.620 they're doing and i think that's the important thing is to still maintain that relationship

00:18:16.000 that that I do believe what they've what's happened to them and that we'll

00:18:22.540 try and investigate the symptoms as best we can right well thank you very much

00:18:28.480 for sharing your perspective on this uphill battle when it comes to even just

00:18:35.800 reporting the adverse events here in in Alberta and and some of the people that

00:18:42.760 going to be speaking with are from other parts of canada that are running into similar situations

00:18:48.120 which is uh which is very unfortunate but um thank you dr chan for uh for speaking with us today

00:18:55.080 yeah i appreciate the time i do i do have to say that it does put you in a really strange position

00:19:01.560 because number one i'm supposed to be advocating for my patients and when they've when they've had

00:19:07.800 a reaction, and they're told that it is an adverse event, and they're told to have the

00:19:15.400 treatment again, that's a very unusual situation to be in. And I feel compelled to stand in the

00:19:22.080 gap and to stand up for my patients. Even when they're told that it doesn't count as an adverse

00:19:30.040 reaction, we're kind of left in a situation with patients still having symptoms, then what do you

00:19:35.960 do and I still am left in the same situation I have to stand with my

00:19:40.080 patients absolutely and I'm sure your patients appreciate your dedication to

00:19:45.860 them for sure I know there's a lot of doctors who have who have even told me

00:19:51.020 that there's real pressure and there's a bit of a fear in in doing what you're

00:19:55.840 doing just for the the recourse that they could force or that they could face

00:20:02.060 And it really comes down to informed consent. So not only have they done that process of taking the vaccine for the first time, but after having experienced what they've experienced, they're still exercising their informed consent.

00:20:17.960 They've had something happen, they've thought about it, and they're informing themselves as far as whether to make that medical decision again.

00:20:25.660 And I think that's a medical principle, an ethical principle that we have to uphold.

00:20:30.440 agreed well and hopefully uh with more awareness of this um we will see change so we've also got

00:20:38.840 sean muldoon joining us and sean is from langley bc he is a quality manager for an industrial

00:20:46.440 supplies company and sean had quite an experience after he was vaccinated why don't you uh why don't

00:20:53.560 you tell us a little bit about um when you got vaccinated and what happened um i got vaccinated

00:21:00.440 in april of last year and um end of april and initially everything was it was good i wasn't

00:21:06.760 too concerned about it at the time um next day i had some flu-like symptoms kind of typical couple

00:21:12.280 hours um sore shoulder and then that was it and so i didn't really worry about it too much but

00:21:17.320 about a week and a half later um i went to bed and woke up in the night and i was having some

00:21:23.400 pretty severe abdominal pain i just kind of wrote it off like something i ate maybe so i didn't agree

00:21:28.360 with me but uh i spoke to the doctor the next day um i started vomiting which is uh very uncommon

00:21:35.960 and so he said we'll give it a few days maybe call 8-1-1 just to double check you know talks

00:21:41.160 about covid symptoms and i didn't have any so i didn't worry too much about it i did have a fever

00:21:46.360 a few days later and so um i did go get a covet test which came back negative i didn't really eat

00:21:51.640 all week a bit of like chicken noodle soup nothing was really staying down and then on friday i called

00:21:56.360 the doctor back initially it was monday when i spoke to him so spoke five days later and i just

00:22:02.440 said you know i'm not getting better i said i'm still putting quite a bit of pain here um my

00:22:06.360 stomach's in a knot i've barely eaten all week and he said okay well we'll give it another day or two

00:22:11.240 and if you're still having issues, we'll investigate further. And then that night,

00:22:15.800 I just deteriorated rapidly. The pain got very intense. I started vomiting quite violently.

00:22:23.400 The next day, I've had a pretty rough night while being a pretty rough week altogether.

00:22:28.680 I went to the bathroom and I was in a lot of pain. I started vomiting and I started passing

00:22:34.600 blood as well. So I called my wife at that point and I just said, I've got to get to the hospital.

00:22:39.240 I said something's wrong um when I got to the hospital I actually went straight into the

00:22:44.860 emergency room bathroom and I was just throwing up profusely and I was lying on the floor in the

00:22:49.760 emergency room bathroom I couldn't really get up because I've been a been a pretty rough week at

00:22:53.560 this point and my wife is checking me in um so I finally kind of got up and walked out there and I

00:22:59.480 got checked in and uh they didn't initially know what was going on they didn't know if I was

00:23:04.220 passing the kidney stone um I couldn't get off the floor they kept asking me to get off the floor but

00:23:09.040 the pain was just kind of so intense at this point. I don't even really remember a lot after

00:23:14.540 getting checked in. I can't tell you what the doctors looked like or the nurse or anything.

00:23:19.680 Regardless, they did a bunch of tests. They did some blood work. My D-dimer was off. My platelets

00:23:23.820 were off. They still didn't know what was going on. And this was about noon. And then the next

00:23:29.160 thing I really recall was getting kind of like rushed into surgery. It felt like we were running.

00:23:34.420 and I asked the nurse if I was going for surgery and she said yes and I said so this isn't a stomach

00:23:40.640 bug and she kind of laughed and said no and I asked the surgeon what time it was because I

00:23:45.920 kind of lost track of everything going on around me and he said it's 3 30 a.m or three o'clock in

00:23:50.840 the morning so at that point I kind of realized well something's very wrong and then when I came

00:23:57.620 too they told me that i had blood clots and that they've had to um they've removed about half my

00:24:04.980 small intestine it was about uh just over six feet of my small intestine needs to be removed

00:24:09.940 because it was uh it was dead and had the blood cut off to it um and so the next a couple days

00:24:18.100 later they left a bunch of really bad intestine in me hoping it would recover because they'd taken as

00:24:24.580 much as they could they said and for me to still hope to have some semblance of normal life

00:24:29.380 afterwards they went back in and the intestine was recovering there was about 10 centimeters

00:24:34.980 they had to take because it wasn't it was gone um so that was my second surgery and then they

00:24:40.260 stitched me back up um they did some more scans i've had a bunch of ct scans and uh they found

00:24:46.260 some more clots they found clots in my lungs and my spleen my abdomen um the one in my portal vein

00:24:52.260 or my my liver is the one that had cut off the blood supply to my intestines and then a couple

00:24:58.660 days after that my blood had been sent off to mcmaster university in ontario where they do a

00:25:05.780 lot of the vaccine research and whatnot and the results had come back and they confirmed that this

00:25:11.140 was vaccine-induced thrombosis and thrombocytopenia and basically a team of doctors set up a table

00:25:18.420 beside my bed in the icu and uh had a little meeting and one came forward and said you know

00:25:23.700 we've done the investigation and uh this was caused by your vaccine yeah and so so based on

00:25:31.540 the timing it sounds like that was kind of well so you started struggling at about a week and

00:25:36.580 a half after the vaccine and then but you know it was about two weeks by the time you

00:25:41.140 ended up being hospitalized uh and you had mentioned about some of the tests like you

00:25:46.100 said your d-dimer was off now i understand that uh that test is something that registers um blood

00:25:53.460 clots so so um yeah so d-dimer everybody i've spoke to that got diagnosed with vit when they

00:26:00.340 ended up in hospital they were getting just like off the charts d-dimer i knew nothing about this

00:26:05.140 obviously at the time my d-dimer was in the 30 000 33 000 or 34 000 um it should be almost

00:26:12.020 undetectable uh within a few days of getting on the ivig treatments in the prednisone it was down

00:26:18.500 under a thousand it was at 800. um the problem with d-dimer tests it tells you something's

00:26:23.700 wrong but it's kind of non-specific so when they get a d-dimer result like that and they see it's

00:26:30.100 at 33 000 instead of non-recordable basically um it just implies something's wrong and the next

00:26:38.340 day when i came out of my initial surgery the first one um you know my surgeon was everybody

00:26:44.820 involved in like my care was phenomenal i can't like the track from the medical staff and the

00:26:49.540 surgeon and the team of doctors um he was checking on me multiple times a day and he wasn't working

00:26:54.420 that day but uh um sorry he was kind of uh the one that came forward and uh said that they couldn't

00:27:02.820 find any of the typical markers for blood clotting he said that he suspected that this might be

00:27:08.580 vaccine related because um i didn't have any sort of the um the traditional markers they look for

00:27:14.900 with blood clotting right and and so just again to confirm you had the first dose of pfizer is that

00:27:21.860 correct no it was astrazeneca oh the astrazeneca okay and so that one has been um uh you know well

00:27:30.020 documented to be um responsible for a lot of of of blood clots yeah it's um one of the things i was

00:27:41.780 quite kind of content to hear over the next kind of five six weeks multiple provinces said they

00:27:47.700 were going to stop giving it out a lot of countries already had due to the blood clot risk in bc the

00:27:53.940 reason they gave for not giving out more was due to limited supply which was a little frustrating

00:27:58.580 I was in the hospital at the time and I just received a video we got text out to everybody

00:28:03.780 from our provincial health officer that said just so you know if you at AstraZeneca you made the

00:28:08.660 right choice all of our vaccines are very safe here in Canada meanwhile I've been in the ICU

00:28:13.140 for three weeks while they try to figure out basically how to keep me alive at this point

00:28:18.420 but then in I guess it was October and November Canada approved Johnson & Johnson which is

00:28:25.620 basically the same thing and so at that point i was quite upset to know that more people were

00:28:31.700 going to be put at risk for a bit like i've been diagnosed with and potentially have to go through

00:28:37.620 something like this you know up until a month or so ago i had no colon i'd lost half my small

00:28:44.900 intestine but they weren't able to reconnect what was still there so i've been living with very

00:28:50.500 little intestine for the last kind of eight or nine months basically um and i just didn't want

00:28:56.980 to find out that uh canada was going to proceed with giving this vaccination out to people and

00:29:02.420 potentially put them in this kind of like a health risk and unfortunately johnson and johnson is a

00:29:08.260 very very similar vaccine and it's also documented to cause it as well so you ended up getting the

00:29:18.420 first dose and they were very clear that this was a vaccine-induced injury did do you have an

00:29:28.980 exemption now are you do you have an exemption that that doesn't expire like what position are

00:29:34.160 you in now I do have an exemption at the moment initially I was told I didn't qualify for one

00:29:40.220 there was kind of a blanket statement I don't know if they used it across Canada or North America

00:29:45.360 but it basically said if you have a history of thrombosis or thrombocytopenia from a previous

00:29:51.220 vaccination, then go get an mRNA, basically saying, you know, yeah, we know that vaccine almost killed

00:29:57.880 you, but this other one should be fine. I've been told by a doctor in the hospital, until you

00:30:03.980 recover from this, once this is ancient history, then we'll discuss another vaccine. Until that

00:30:08.820 point, you're not getting another jab. I spoke to a hematologist. I was supported in that. That was

00:30:14.660 how we were proceeding and then when the vaccine passport came into place a few months later I

00:30:20.340 called and asked for an exemption and my hematologist got back to me and said I'm sorry

00:30:24.660 but you don't qualify because of this there was a page of exemptions and who was eligible for a

00:30:32.080 deferral and unfortunately if you'd had thrombosis and thrombocytopenia that was vaccine induced

00:30:37.800 um it was go get an mRNA go get a Pfizer or Moderna but after being told by a doctor after

00:30:45.480 being you know discussing with a hematologist um there's no way I was getting another vaccine at

00:30:51.060 that point I was I was terrified at the thought of getting another vaccine after what the first

00:30:55.120 one had done to me well of course and especially considering uh you know the the situation where

00:31:01.780 you've been told that you've had um you know such a large amount of your intestine removed like

00:31:08.500 i can't imagine if if it you know you had a similar reaction and you know what's the option

00:31:16.020 right like that's just um so right now you don't have a uh right now you don't have

00:31:21.540 an exemption no what ended up happening is um another woman in bc um who was diagnosed with

00:31:26.820 it as well she'd been in contact with numerous um sources um trying to get an exemption and then at

00:31:34.420 the end of december um or back in december we were both on cbc they did a little article about

00:31:39.380 us trying to get an exemption after having these um vaccine injuries and they actually cut to a

00:31:44.260 little clip of our provincial health officer bonnie henry saying oh we're aware of these cases but

00:31:48.180 it's a long process and whatnot um and the next day this woman in squamish got a letter from our

00:31:53.540 Deputy Provincial Health Officer Brian Emerson and it included a temporary exemption just until her

00:32:00.980 hematologist could confirm that it was safe for her to get another vaccine because when I was told

00:32:07.380 that I needed to get another one that was the first question I had for a hematologist is is

00:32:12.260 there any sort of documentation studies research that says it's safe for me to get this job and

00:32:18.900 she just said no no there's not and so being in that position i was like i said mortified at the

00:32:25.620 very thought of getting another one about a week later i was told to send everything to our deputy

00:32:30.660 provincial health officer as well this was letters from a hematologist explaining why they were

00:32:35.860 reluctant for me to get one i still have vit i'm still producing these antibodies almost a year

00:32:41.220 later that caused the blood clots so um they didn't want to proceed with the operation with

00:32:47.860 the surgery to reconnect my colon because i'm still producing these antibodies yet the province

00:32:52.660 was telling me go get another jab um so i provide all that information to the deputy provincial

00:32:58.980 health officer and then about a week later i also got a letter um with a temporary deferral

00:33:04.660 from a second jab but it's literally like a piece of paper i pack around with me um and it's pretty

00:33:10.020 beat up and ragged now because uh it's been almost you know probably four or five months of keeping

00:33:14.500 this thing in my back pocket and then every time i go to a restaurant or to an event i pull out the

00:33:19.220 piece of paper i explain the scenario to them um they go get their manager their manager goes and

00:33:24.420 talks to the owner and then finally they come back and as of like so far i haven't had any issues just

00:33:30.900 beyond them having to kind of go and confirm that uh it's legitimate because uh it doesn't really

00:33:36.580 look legitimate to be honest it's just like a piece of paper you can tip it up at home but

00:33:40.980 right it's um it's literally like i bonnie henry do give permission to sean muldoon

00:33:45.700 to go to the pub and hockey games signed bonnie henry basically so that's what i tell people i go

00:33:51.860 i've got a letter from bonnie she says i'm allowed to go to the pub yes that's where i've been for

00:33:58.820 the last since december i got that and then months leading up to that i was getting furious i was

00:34:04.020 livid um i lost a lot of sleep uh ended up medicated um just because i felt like i was

00:34:11.020 being punished for going and getting the vaccine um it just felt like i i didn't even question it

00:34:19.140 i just went and got the vaccine i didn't really worry too much about it and then you know i was

00:34:22.880 in the hospital for over two months um i was on massive doses of medication um it affected

00:34:27.980 it my vision was blurry my my mind was shaky my hands shook constantly for months and so for them

00:34:35.080 to turn around and say go get another jab it just it just seemed bleeding chris there was no way i

00:34:39.360 was going to um and then when i finally got that deferral it was right before christmas they just

00:34:44.820 kind of announced if you're not double vaxxed the expectation is you don't go to christmas dinner

00:34:48.880 and so i was really really upset at the time um i was ready to go like chain myself to the doors

00:34:55.040 the car went building and caused a stink um because i was so upset about it and then i got

00:34:59.760 the deferral and was kind of able to you know sort of get back on with a somewhat normal life

00:35:05.360 right now in bc the vaccine mandates are set to lift uh is it april 5th is that right i believe

00:35:14.320 april 8th thank you um so that's going to make things a little bit easier but of course we still

00:35:20.720 have um federal mandates across canada which would would you know still impact travel and whatnot

00:35:28.160 i would suspect at this point that your exemption would would work there but what are you going to

00:35:35.440 do like what what are your thoughts when somebody says the exemption is no longer valid i i have to

00:35:44.880 like what what's your decision yeah i've thought about that um i i think i'll just be back at

00:35:50.080 square one again um i'm gonna just um i'm gonna have to again reach out to the powers that be if

00:35:57.120 you have to reach out to politicians i spoke to my local mla um everybody's on my side i haven't

00:36:02.720 really dealt with anybody who thinks that i should just kind of go out and get another jab just to

00:36:08.240 get on with my life um i still think if you're only getting a vaccine because you want to go to pubs

00:36:13.440 and concerts and travel um you're kind of getting it for the wrong reason to some degree they they

00:36:19.600 keep calling you know unvaccinated people selfish but uh going to get a vaccine so you can go to the

00:36:24.400 pub is just as selfish yeah it's kind of like um it's getting vaccinated for the wrong reasons

00:36:29.680 i don't i don't want to put these vaccines in my kids right now this has been too traumatizing on

00:36:34.480 my whole family on my wife my friends if they take the vax passes out i'm prepared to live with those

00:36:43.680 restrictions for the time being because that's that's my choice moving forward um i'll probably

00:36:50.720 be very vocal about it though because of the circumstances around us all absolutely and i was

00:36:57.280 just talking to a doctor here in alberta who has dealt with many vaccine injured and has reported

00:37:04.480 many as well and uh you know the it puts some of these doctors in a very tough position as well

00:37:12.720 because he says you know i i'm trying to advocate for my parent my patients i care i care about their

00:37:18.240 well-being and i'm trying to advocate for them but yet the only like i don't know if it's different

00:37:24.160 in bc but in alberta as far as the college of physicians and surgeons go the only um adequate

00:37:31.600 reason for an exemption here is if you've had an anaphylactic reaction and you actually have to

00:37:38.160 get the first dose to see if you are are going to have that kind of reaction and so

00:37:44.960 it seems to me that a person who had to have um multiple feet of their intestines removed because

00:37:54.400 they died from blood clots and this was how your body reacted um you know it's it's uh concerning

00:38:03.280 that somebody would say but you're still you're still required to do number two yeah and i mean

00:38:09.540 it wasn't it wasn't me who approached them and said you know i don't want to get a second vaccine

00:38:14.420 i'm scared now i was approached by a doctor specifically to talk to me about a second vaccine

00:38:18.640 you know this doctor approached me um to tell me that we're not giving you any more any more

00:38:24.300 vaccinations at this point we need you healthy before we even consider it to have a doctor tell

00:38:29.700 you that to talk to your haematologist to have them on board and then to have the province and

00:38:34.280 this isn't because they looked at my case specifically and made like a decision based

00:38:38.540 on my health um that i should proceed with getting another vaccination and it was safe for me to do

00:38:44.520 so this was just a blanket statement and so that's when i realized that the doctors are handcuffed

00:38:50.160 my haematologist said i'm sorry there's nothing i can do um they said it was ridiculous there was

00:38:55.320 an expectation for me to go get another job at that point but there was nothing they could do

00:39:00.360 their hands were tied and then that's when I started to really appreciate the position that

00:39:04.420 the doctors are in where they're they're dealing hands-on with a patient you know I dealt with

00:39:09.880 these doctors my hematologist I've been dealing with now for coming up on a year I don't know

00:39:13.680 how many times I've spoken with them same with the doctor in internal medicine when I was just

00:39:18.940 readmitted to the hospital back in January was dealing with that same doctor again these are

00:39:23.260 doctors that are they're comfortable with my file they're working with my file

00:39:26.860 they're working with me directly and they don't think I should get another

00:39:30.280 jab but then the province comes along and says well we have this policy and so

00:39:34.760 he's got to go get one or he's not allowed to go to a Canucks game and that

00:39:37.760 was really really it was a tough pill to swallow knowing that my doctor's

00:39:43.360 opinions were being disregarded for some general blanket statement that was put

00:39:47.620 on a document that I don't even think the problems created that document I

00:39:51.460 it was either federal or provincial or i'm sorry even north american-wide well and we've got we've

00:39:58.340 also got uh kareen moore uh joining us as well she's an ontario mom and she works in the tech

00:40:05.620 industry part-time and is also again a busy mom and uh kareen had uh an adverse event an adverse

00:40:15.700 reaction to the vaccine as well a bit different than than you sean but kareen why don't you uh

00:40:22.500 give us some details about when you first were vaccinated and what happened for you

00:40:28.740 sure i um i had my vaccine last august and i was fine until the next day when i woke up the

00:40:39.780 breathing felt different. I had discomfort in my chest, but I assumed it was the immune response

00:40:45.620 that I'd heard so much about in the media. But then I began, the pain intensified and two weeks

00:40:53.380 after my first dose of Moderna, I felt like I was having a heart attack with intense stabbing pain

00:41:00.340 in my chest and radiating pain at my shoulders and upper arms. And I went to emerge twice that week

00:41:07.940 And over the course of that week and the next months, they ran tests, you know, blood, ECG,

00:41:15.920 KG, echo, CT scan, x-rays, stress test, holder monitor. I was in and out, you know, at least

00:41:24.460 twice a week more often than that at times. And just to try to figure out what was happening.

00:41:32.300 and the tests were not definitive um i was told that i probably waited too long to detect some of

00:41:39.900 what had been happening um before i came in and i waited so long because i thought it was normal

00:41:46.380 at first that this was maybe just my immune response and um anyways um i couldn't lie down

00:41:56.540 the the most challenging part for me other than the pain and difficulty breathing because every

00:42:01.900 breath hurt was that I couldn't lie down to sleep at night because the stabbing pain in my chest was

00:42:06.580 so intense that I couldn't breathe. So I had to sit up in bed and lean forward to alleviate the

00:42:13.920 pain. I was having palpitations, shortness of breath, and the cardiologist treated me for

00:42:20.140 pericarditis, but I reacted to the medicine with a severe full body rash. And I felt like I couldn't

00:42:27.160 breathe at all after my first three doses of the medicine they gave me. So I did stop taking the

00:42:34.140 medication. I was unable to get a hold of my doctors for a week after that to figure out what

00:42:40.360 to do. And in the middle of all this, my family doctor asked if cognitive behavioral therapy

00:42:47.760 would be helpful for me, which added insult to injury, because I had no history of needing

00:42:56.140 cognitive behavioral therapy to handle anything and these were purely physiological symptoms and

00:43:03.500 the the lack of sleep was definitely affecting me but i needed my pain treated and my

00:43:08.860 my symptoms treated and i needed to be able to breathe um so they were sort of likening it to

00:43:15.900 you having anxiety yeah well yeah yeah and i've never had anxiety um and i it was it was

00:43:27.020 anyways with um with the exception of two of my doctors it became very clear and apparent to me

00:43:33.340 that the specialists wanted to wash their hands of me they didn't want to tie it to the vaccine

00:43:38.380 i spent you know just hours in pain by myself with no medical care um i felt like abandoned

00:43:46.300 collateral damage and um unacknowledged abandoned and then um two doctors finally stated that it

00:43:55.420 was clearly a reaction but that their license was on the line there they didn't they couldn't

00:44:00.940 definitively there was nothing that they could do and um one doctor even went as far as to say

00:44:08.140 not to vaccinate our children but that they wouldn't write an exemption because they can't

00:44:13.420 um i was unable to do the simplest tasks like cooking or cleaning i remember taking my kids

00:44:19.180 shoe shopping and leaning against the wall you know i i used to ride my bike 80 kilometers a

00:44:24.780 week or you know i'm a very active person i remember leaning against the wall taking my

00:44:30.220 kids to get shoes and just not being able to breathe standing there helping them with their

00:44:35.340 back to to school you know shopping um i would go for a walk around the block with my husband and i

00:44:44.940 i remember just trying to keep active and ending up leaning on him and saying i can't go around

00:44:50.300 the block take me home and that's unheard of for me um so um eventually i did get the pericarditis

00:45:00.620 diagnosis um uh while a doctor wrote an exemption for me with no end date um after the public health

00:45:10.780 review it came back with an arbitrary end date six months from submission so even and even now

00:45:17.500 with an exemption i still cannot get on a plane or a train to visit my parents across the country

00:45:21.900 nor they me um because they don't our family actually has a history of vaccine injury

00:45:30.140 so i was reluctant to get it um my sister spent five years in a wheelchair after the first year

00:45:38.380 of hepatitis b vaccines were given in grade seven and my mom was diagnosed with severe intolerance

00:45:44.700 to all medication by a toronto general hospital doctor so and for instance when i have antibiotics

00:45:51.580 i pass out i i don't react well to pharmaceuticals so i've always had to treat myself um through um

00:46:01.980 food and healthy lifestyle and i've just uh that's how i've managed my whole life and so i

00:46:07.820 was very reluctant to get this vaccine but my life was too inhibited to be able to live without

00:46:12.700 getting it so i had a choice to make and i clearly made the wrong one because to this day

00:46:18.140 I'm not who I was. I have daily pain. I have chest aches. I have air hunger.

00:46:27.580 And I have to strain to breathe and my breathing muscles ache and hurt because it takes work to

00:46:41.240 breathe. I, you know, like, and so you've been given this temporary, but at some point you are

00:46:52.320 going to be expected to get another vaccine by the sounds of it. Yeah. I'm assuming that this is,

00:47:02.440 you know, that you have remorse, that you have, like, you know, that you look at this as,

00:47:08.620 would you say that you would never do it again would you say that this was a mistake

00:47:14.040 yes it was the biggest mistake of my life I knew um that I have sensitivities to medicine

00:47:21.600 and in normal times I would have opted out because of my personal um health needs and my body I know

00:47:31.760 my body. You know, I'm not, I would never tell somebody what to do for their own body. And so

00:47:39.580 it was very invasive for people to be telling me what to do for mine. It was, yeah, certainly

00:47:46.080 I've felt close to death many times since that vaccine. And I, you know, from being a completely

00:47:53.560 healthy person with a full life and my life is very different now and um yeah will i do it again

00:48:03.080 no because for me i believe that there's a very significant chance that i could die with another

00:48:12.200 shot interestingly listening to the other story um they suggested that i not get an mrna another

00:48:18.520 mrna shot instead i go to astrazeneca yeah and i i do hear that i have heard that from many people

00:48:27.560 that um that seems to be what a lot of the healthcare uh uh practitioners are saying is

00:48:35.480 if you had a bad reaction to the the the vaccine that is not mrna based then try the other one um

00:48:42.360 but you know ultimately i i can i couldn't imagine how terrified uh it might how terrified you must

00:48:51.720 feel having suffered that still suffering that and and have to consider you know being able to

00:49:00.120 participate in a normal life in you know in the public travel things like that you would have to

00:49:06.360 risk it again? Yeah it's it doesn't feel like the Canada I used to know. Do you

00:49:18.900 have it so your family doctor is your family doctor advocating for you or

00:49:23.180 again is this a situation where there's you know there's too much on the line

00:49:28.920 for them i don't feel supported by my family doctor i and and so your symptoms are lingering

00:49:41.000 they are they are still you are still struggling with this this is not um rectified itself for you

00:49:48.520 no i have had um i've had to seek alternate help because the doctors kept saying we don't

00:49:56.120 know what to do we've given you the medicine that's all we have and i reacted to it so i've

00:50:02.200 sought alternate therapy i've had great help from um an osteopath actually in with my breathing and

00:50:10.760 muscle straining um and i also had um intercostal chondritis which is pain between my rib cage

00:50:19.400 muscles which was also triggered by the vaccine and that's been greatly reduced from my osteopath

00:50:27.640 treatments and I've also sought help from several naturopaths who have helped with

00:50:34.680 treating my inflammation and have been very supportive in researching global best practices

00:50:42.440 for um somebody with my sensitivities to be able to heal as best possible

00:50:52.120 how about you sean have you been able to access uh much for additional treatment or have you

00:50:59.320 have you sought out any other options uh elsewhere um i haven't sought out many options but um

00:51:07.320 um like my experience being quite a bit different again um i was getting blood work every two weeks

00:51:15.180 for all of last year because they wanted to proceed with this next surgery so i've basically

00:51:21.780 been in constant contact with my hematologist the the entire way through this um it wasn't

00:51:28.700 planted up back in hospital in january that they realized my health was deteriorating just my lack

00:51:32.760 intestine um being malnourished and um and dehydrated it kind of caught up to me and so uh

00:51:39.480 when i went in the last time they decided to set up a little bit more outpatient care which was

00:51:43.320 like outpatient dietician um internal medicine was kind of going to keep up on my blood work every

00:51:48.040 month and then it was decided to just proceed with this surgery um my health was deteriorating

00:51:53.240 my doctor said you're slowly dying in shock so we got to get you reconnected so i still have some

00:51:59.880 you know i just had a surgery six weeks ago and so i'm still recovering from that

00:52:03.640 and then there's still some aspects of um things were happening last year when i was first um

00:52:12.200 kind of sent home from the hospital um you know your your head's not on properly your your focus

00:52:17.160 isn't right my body's weak you can't lie in the hospital bed for two months and come out feeling

00:52:21.240 particularly good and so i've got a bit of a uh a recovery ahead of me still from a year

00:52:26.840 of malnourishment well not a year i guess nine months um plus this last surgery that i had so i

00:52:33.240 i have had a lot about patient care i will just add though that um you know i was in the hospital

00:52:38.840 being told almost the same thing i was being told we don't know how to treat this we don't know

00:52:43.160 anything about the side effects and we know even less about treating them they were looking at

00:52:47.560 cases out of the uk across north america trying to figure out what to do with my care and this

00:52:54.120 this is what I'm being told by doctors in the hospital. I probably met with 20 different doctors

00:52:58.840 over the two months that I was in the hospital. And that message was repeated to me numerous times

00:53:04.700 that they didn't know what to do. They didn't know how to treat me. And that is very frustrating

00:53:09.220 when you've gone and you've gotten this jab and you know that they're giving it to millions of

00:53:13.840 Canadians, but the doctors don't even know how to treat the side effects. Yeah, that's one of the

00:53:22.280 things that that I heard from the doctor that we were speaking to as well is

00:53:27.740 that you know these these doctors are dealing with something so new they they

00:53:32.940 don't know what they're up against they don't know I mean sometimes you know

00:53:36.980 you're getting you're getting test after test it's not showing it's not showing

00:53:41.360 what it should be but yet you've got people who are still suffering who are

00:53:44.960 suffering with symptoms and and these doctors are sort of at a loss for how to

00:53:50.160 treat them and how to uh you know how to best care for them so it's uh it's definitely um an

00:53:57.760 issue sort of on both sides and questions too many questions you know left unanswered for

00:54:04.240 uh doctors and patients and it's got it's got to be just a frustrating situation to be in

00:54:09.760 uh we've got yeah well sorry i'll just say i didn't have any hesitancy going to go get my

00:54:13.840 vaccination i didn't really understand how come some people were nervous to or scared to my

00:54:18.160 My family's never had an issue with vaccinations.

00:54:20.880 So I just went in and got my jab.

00:54:22.540 I didn't even question it.

00:54:24.020 After two months of being in the hospital

00:54:25.920 and talking to doctors, a lot of doctors

00:54:28.320 and a lot of nurses and healthcare professionals,

00:54:30.520 hearing about the adverse reactions that they'd seen.

00:54:34.100 When you're in the hospital

00:54:35.380 with a very serious vaccine injury, people get very candid.

00:54:38.220 I had nurses tell me they were not vaccinating their children,

00:54:40.760 that they didn't want it.

00:54:41.980 This was before the mandates were in

00:54:43.540 that they were gonna lose their job if they went and got it.

00:54:45.620 So a lot of nurses at the time weren't vaccinated.

00:54:48.160 And I left the hospital, you know, eight or nine weeks later with a much, much different attitude towards vaccines, towards vaccine safety and just towards people's people's choice to put it in their body and their opinion of why they were going to do that, because I didn't leave the hospital two months later, reassured that I was just some crazy fluke.

00:55:09.380 now just very unfortunate this happened i left the hospital two months later i'm pretty rattled

00:55:14.100 when it came to vaccines and really just saying you know um if if you don't have any fear of

00:55:19.300 vaccines it's like the tourist that walks up to take a picture of a bear you know it's it's almost

00:55:24.340 irresponsible you you should have some fear of them because there is um the potential for you

00:55:30.260 to be very seriously hurt or even killed i was i was told by one doctor he's amazed that i lived

00:55:35.540 through this so wow yeah similar experience for our our next guest uh mla shane getson uh alberta

00:55:45.780 mla and uh somebody who came forward uh in february and um and and shared uh an adverse event

00:55:54.500 that he had a similar story from you mr getson that the fact that when you were in the hospital

00:56:02.180 um dealing with this adverse event you had mentioned that you were speaking with some of

00:56:08.980 the health care staff about it and they had you know casually said you were our third in this

00:56:15.060 evening um we we had a little bit of um uh trouble technically with trying to get uh our our story

00:56:24.740 or hear your story so let's let's start again and uh why don't you explain to us what when you got

00:56:30.260 vaccinated and what happened? Sure. So I guess just to predicate that, again, well, we did. Our

00:56:37.460 family had COVID back in January of 2020. So it went right through our family. My wife, she has a

00:56:43.460 medical background. Her parents both were medical backgrounds. Her dad was a doc, chief of staff,

00:56:49.320 ran a hospital for 30 years. So again, when we had it, we went through all the events. It was

00:56:55.560 different depending on which member of the household had it. I didn't have that bad of

00:57:00.380 effect from COVID classic. My wife and oldest son and oldest daughter had had more adverse

00:57:07.080 outcomes from COVID itself, but we all weathered the storm. So when I went and had my vaccination,

00:57:13.600 I was held off right until last fall until September 22nd. And again, like the last guest

00:57:19.700 in a position of an MLA, I get to hear lots of stories coming in one way or the other.

00:57:25.560 of people having success and others not so successful and what really makes a person

00:57:32.060 pause is when you see how many medical professionals chose not to have this particular

00:57:37.280 vaccine and it's not with vaccine hesitance or anti-vaxxers or any of the other words that were

00:57:42.920 invented during this last period in the last couple years it really comes down to people

00:57:47.820 making the choices for the right reasons for themselves myself I've had lots of vaccinations

00:57:51.600 before, zero problems, absolutely zero problems at all. So I think I shared with you earlier before

00:57:57.220 the technical difficulties, I'm a private pilot as well. And in my age bracket, we have the full

00:58:03.020 medical every two years just to make sure that we're fit to fly. I waited until the fall until

00:58:08.860 I had my annual was due to do that. That way I had a baseline of exactly where my health was at

00:58:15.840 prior to a vaccination as well. And again, zero medical history prior to this. I'm one of the

00:58:21.580 most boring people that when docs or nurses asked to do the forms because there's nothing on there

00:58:25.760 you know no issues no health issues no health problems it is a fiddle so when I went in and

00:58:30.800 had my vaccination it was on the same day that my medical was performed for my flight exam zero

00:58:35.240 issues or September 22nd I go and have my first jab in my left arm so I'm inoculated with the

00:58:42.340 first dose immediately following that sicker than a dog in bed for two days at home and we're going

00:58:49.700 into session on the Monday and part of the reason why I did it as well was to be a voice for others

00:58:53.960 again to make sure my voice was still heard and theirs in the house and I didn't tell anybody my

00:58:59.980 vaccination status because quite frankly I don't think it's anybody's business and the same as the 0.68

00:59:04.560 vaccine passports etc I was just abhorrently against that so paid for my own tests and 0.93

00:59:09.700 everything else to be in the house so then my symptoms progressed it was just one autoimmune

00:59:15.480 type issue after another severe arthritic type pain aches and knees joints my shoulder I started

00:59:23.500 losing mobility my shoulder difficulty to sleep at night started getting chest pains this all took

00:59:29.760 the place over from September until December 22nd and when I started having some chest pains that's

00:59:35.600 when my wife said okay enough for this go in and see the doctor and see what's going on so when I

00:59:40.620 my family physician again he ran a battery of tests again i could barely lift my arm shooting

00:59:45.900 pains it snapped it cracked a bunch of things there uh through the chest x-rays run full blood

00:59:51.100 work again and electrocardiogram again um some ultrasound on my arm to find what was going on

00:59:56.380 chest x-rays he discovered that i had a partially collapsed left lung as well and uh couldn't explain

01:00:03.740 what was going on the good thing with the new or news on the blood work was there was no strokes

01:00:07.260 there wasn't uh any heart issues so then uh over the christmas break it was trying to get mobility

01:00:13.980 back in my arm by uh a few weeks after that in the first second week i should say in in january

01:00:20.380 developed a a massive rash across my thighs and uh raised difficult troublesome bothersome you

01:00:28.940 know whatever you want to throw at it for which words very uncomfortable um but doable you know

01:00:33.980 know you could kind of work through it and I was still working with the lung trying to do deep

01:00:38.800 breathing exercises to reinflate my left lung or you know partially collapsed left lung and a week

01:00:45.580 following the rash all of a sudden my face started puffing up and over the course of about four to

01:00:52.700 five days as you can see from that photo you just flashed up I looked like somebody went 10 rounds

01:00:57.120 with Tyson with no prize money. Ended up in the emergency room and in the hospital emergency

01:01:04.480 in Sturgeon County or Sturgeon County Hospital. And in passing, speaking to one of the

01:01:11.580 security people there, he had said I was the third person in 20 minutes with some type of

01:01:16.580 weird allergic reaction coming through. It was just busy that night. By 5 a.m. I went in at

01:01:24.520 nine o'clock and no respiratory issues at that point. So there was no closing of the throat or

01:01:29.480 anything else. With my wife's medical background, she told me to take some antihistamines to see 0.80

01:01:34.400 if that would bring a zero effect. The emergency room doc shot me full of Benadryl in there. So

01:01:41.040 injectable Benadryl wasn't bringing it down. She didn't know what to do with this, sent me home 0.99

01:01:46.860 that night or that morning, I should say, I guess it's about 6 a.m. I was discharged and

01:01:52.440 made a recommendation or a referral I should say to go see a dermatologist

01:01:57.000 that would take place over the course of about a month later three weeks to a month later

01:02:01.240 let my doc know on on would have been Monday and I received a prescription for

01:02:09.180 prednisone so a steroid essentially a heavy dose for three days to reset my immune system

01:02:14.420 and then that stopped the reactions that were taking place but it was over the course of about

01:02:21.060 a month roughly of ice packs all the time to try to bring the swelling down and then when I was in

01:02:27.020 the the truck convoy that was a week after and I had my son with me with an EpiPen to make sure

01:02:32.800 that you know I didn't have any reactions in case I did it and anything along those lines and again

01:02:39.740 you know a little bit difficulty breathing and then where I'm at right now in the recovery well

01:02:45.520 actually I guess I should jump ahead once I got to see the dermatologist he also disclosed that

01:02:51.820 there was lots of challenges out there even one of his own staff had issues and with it but when

01:02:59.220 he was looking at my information it's almost like the docs can't jump to the conclusion themselves

01:03:04.140 they're almost leading you into it to ask what you think is going on and once I you know regaled

01:03:09.020 the story told him about the pictures he had seen those said the incidents said I believed it was

01:03:14.660 an autoimmune reaction caused by the, you know, the injection of Pfizer, the first one I'm having

01:03:18.360 adverse reaction. He agreed. And he looked at the pictures and what was definitive for him

01:03:24.980 was the rash on my legs. And he says that there is no question that's, that's what's going on

01:03:30.120 there. So the docs too are having issues. My own family physician or medical doc, he couldn't say

01:03:37.180 anything with it. He couldn't do anything. He had to have a specialist. And then the specialists

01:03:40.920 even are at the point where you know this one doc had said it's they've made it so difficult with

01:03:45.960 reporting on this particular vaccine he says it's almost like you roll up and see a car crash taking

01:03:52.340 place but you're not in the driver's seat at the time of one of the cars so then it wasn't an

01:03:56.840 accident because now you can't report it because you're not in that particular circumstance and his

01:04:01.620 frustration was with any vaccine you want to report there are going to be side effects that's

01:04:06.360 just a given but this one it seems so darn difficult that it's making it challenging for

01:04:10.840 everybody so right now where i'm i'm at a recovery my lung is reinflated um my movement is coming

01:04:18.340 back in my right shoulder i can pick up 15 pounds now i'm pretty excited about that um you know if

01:04:24.100 you've ever seen me before i'm about six foot two 230 and a farm kid uh so being this yeah so 15

01:04:29.180 pounds is nothing no yeah that's tough and uh right now it's just uh tired all the time and if

01:04:38.060 i work more than eight to ten hours i really start developing those symptoms again of aches and pain

01:04:43.660 so it's it's pretty humbling quite honestly and right now it's just through the process of working

01:04:49.180 through formally applying for the vaccine injury and having that recognized by the federal government

01:04:55.980 now now doing that what about uh getting an exemption so do do you have an exemption do

01:05:03.360 you have a temporary exemption where are things at for you with that yeah so it's it's interesting

01:05:09.820 it's a catch-22 and um right now i'm i officially do not have an exemption so i'm in the process of

01:05:16.780 getting an exemption through their process now you would imagine and i mean you flashed that

01:05:22.120 picture up when I shared that with fellow colleagues again I didn't tell anybody what

01:05:25.920 was happening with me I didn't want to prejudice anyone's decisions for what they were doing

01:05:30.060 I wanted to make sure that obviously I document information and I spoke for both sides you know

01:05:35.660 whoever chose to get vaccinated or not again I'm not a medical professional at all so people have

01:05:40.420 to go reconcile with that and do that but even when I shared my picture and told my story to

01:05:45.600 my own colleagues they're going well you're exempt I'm going we're not and on that program I

01:05:49.920 technically i'm not exempt well they couldn't believe it so there therein lies the frustration

01:05:54.560 when you look at the system and what a person has to go through versus what would be common sense

01:06:01.680 well and uh shane one of the struggles too is uh the doctor that i was interviewing a little

01:06:07.200 bit earlier an alberta doctor it's you know i i actually spoke with a couple of doctors who

01:06:13.520 wanted to stay anonymous because of the threat uh and and one of the doctors actually said to me at

01:06:20.320 the end of of speaking with me that it's it's a travesty that i can't publicly speak about this

01:06:28.000 with you i can't tell you what i've seen and what i've experienced on the record because my my

01:06:35.200 license is at stake yeah i this like to me i i'm having a like that doesn't seem like it makes

01:06:43.680 sense a for for the transparency but but also the fact that we're still dealing with um something

01:06:51.520 that's fairly new uh as far as vaccines go we're still dealing with something that was uh emergency

01:06:58.000 youth use authorized and still is it is still in a trial phase um up until 2000 or 2023 and so

01:07:07.200 this doctor that i've been speaking with said it's it's it's one of those situations where

01:07:12.160 we should be documenting everything we should actually be looking at everything as suspect

01:07:17.840 and then working to rule it out not the other way around so so it's uh and and i understand

01:07:23.920 you know there's a part of me that understands that it was it was the goal was to get um people

01:07:32.780 vaccinated to protect the the public to protect the population and um the hope was that that was

01:07:39.040 going to sort of be the the cure-all the end-all to this pandemic um but you know to to go so far

01:07:48.500 as to silence people and not give them a voice for the, you know, the vaccine injuries or the

01:07:57.700 adverse events that they've suffered. And to go so far as to interfere with doctor-patient

01:08:03.760 relationship, to go so far as to make it difficult for doctors to have conversation,

01:08:09.980 even amongst themselves, to share information is, I think I agree with him, it is a travesty.

01:08:16.660 well there is and again we want to take that coin that catchphrase you know trust the science

01:08:22.380 well scientists will sit around and want empirical evidence and they want to bring that forward and

01:08:26.220 talk about it and again in the position of an MLA you know I tabled 63 testimonies in the house

01:08:31.180 of medical professionals that were having issues that would not take the vaccination themselves or

01:08:36.760 being pushed into it and folks have to understand too there's there's layers to this onion you know

01:08:41.440 there's the federal mandates that are taking place that are out of our control there's the

01:08:46.380 jurisdiction for health within the provinces that we have jurisdiction to to lay out there and again

01:08:51.620 the province we took away the ability from ourselves to have mandatory vaccinations so

01:08:56.880 bill 66 did away with that but then it's left up with ahs and the college of physicians

01:09:02.540 coupled with the ministry of health of where the docs actually fall into play here as well

01:09:08.480 so the college of physicians there's appointed positions on there from from the government

01:09:12.620 there's also the doctors from their own community come out and fill those positions as well. So

01:09:18.760 again, this isn't just a one party trying to fix the system. It's a bunch of groups. And I would

01:09:24.600 say lessons learned of where all of those elements have to be reviewed, inclusive of AHS. And the

01:09:30.320 fact that docs themselves, and I can give you, I can't name the name, but I'll give you an example

01:09:35.440 of one doctor that, you know, I tried to help and to no avail, quite frankly, unfortunately.

01:09:43.040 So this gentleman, he got into medicine in the first place. He was inspired as a child because

01:09:49.080 he found out he had a heart condition. So him and his family all had COVID. They had the serology

01:09:54.700 to show it. He's graduated top of the dean's list, been practicing for 16 years, has a predisposed

01:10:00.000 heart condition looking at the vaccinations out there weighed the math the risk wasn't worth it

01:10:07.200 and he even got forced into a position where he ended up taking the J&J so he could keep his

01:10:13.300 position so he could keep practicing with his patients and again he's already had COVID work

01:10:17.540 through all of that in the first place as exposed to patients and then felt compelled or forced to

01:10:22.680 have to do that now where we did get a lot of exemptions was for the rural docs and then even

01:10:28.440 in the position where we're at now. We finally had that lifted where the testing is, but AHS

01:10:33.140 still maintains that any new hires have to be vaccinated. Now, the concerns I have with the

01:10:37.820 vaccination, if we look at it, and I kind of tongue in cheek called it COVID classic. So

01:10:41.820 the original COVID strain that we had, that's what these vaccines were designed for. And what

01:10:46.960 we've seen is limited or diminishing efficacy on the new strains. So when the Pfizer using their

01:10:54.240 own numbers, when they're saying it's 70 percent ineffective for double vaccination for adults and

01:11:00.240 it's 98 percent ineffective for children, then I struggle with suggesting that the original

01:11:07.680 vaccination, that we should be, you know, pushing this forward with folks not fully understanding

01:11:13.260 the risks and understanding where they're at. So if it's 30 percent efficacy, then why would you

01:11:19.140 take the risk of the current strains of where you're at? I struggle with that. So again, with

01:11:24.000 me coming forward and talking about these things so openly I'm hoping that people will take a sober

01:11:28.460 second pause look at the information out there not have the stigma that's been contrived around

01:11:33.880 it and people so polarized and just really think of where you're at if it's if it's really worth it

01:11:38.600 and if you want to do it still that's fine but go into it with eyes wide open

01:11:42.120 exactly and I think when when you're talking about something that that does come with these

01:11:50.080 risks uh provable and you know i'm talking to three of you right now who have had terrible um

01:11:57.760 reactions to to keep pushing forward with it being a mandate um is is challenging and it's

01:12:06.960 you know i think we can all say we're thankful for people in positions like yours where you can be

01:12:14.320 heard you can you can speak to a bigger broader audience uh and and you know it's it's not

01:12:22.400 as easily hushed so uh just wanted to say thank you for coming forward i imagine that was

01:12:29.840 that was uh felt probably a little bit terrifying a little bit tricky maybe um i'm not sure but uh

01:12:37.200 but no there was there was no issues on that so again I'm six foot two two thirty and I used to

01:12:44.000 build major projects so it wasn't about having our hurt feelings report or feeling timid I find

01:12:48.700 myself in a difficult position where I tried to keep personal information personal and where the

01:12:55.340 opposition wants to vilify and even one member is going out there and is on record now for saying

01:12:59.680 how I'd done it to hack into people's medical information and my caution all the way along on

01:13:05.120 this was that when you start devolving to the point where your your classifications of people

01:13:10.720 on their choices and moreover when you're ordering a a burger and the in the person that's selling

01:13:16.660 you that instead of asking if you want fries with it is asking you for your medical information

01:13:20.240 we're going down a path here the law of diminishing returns of what we're looking for so now we've

01:13:25.280 predisposed a population to have public information if you don't disclose it then they're categorizing

01:13:30.700 you as one formed the other. So quite frankly, they made me angry. They frustrated me to the

01:13:36.300 point where, fine, if you want to vilify and start taking another run at me, here's the other side of

01:13:40.520 the story. And maybe you should back off on some of the people for the decisions and why they made

01:13:44.920 it. So it wasn't because I was timid or anything else. It was simply enough was enough. And here's

01:13:51.180 the rest of the story. And again, I didn't want my position to prejudice any of that. And if you

01:13:56.840 look at any of my social media posts or anything else I never said go get the vaccine and I never

01:14:01.080 said don't go get the vaccine everything was consistent so people had a judgment and a choice

01:14:05.820 based on the information that they had and that they went into it with eyes wide open so that's

01:14:10.400 where I came from it just quite frankly they made me very frustrated and angry and they wanted to

01:14:15.900 start a fight I have no problem with finishing it right well thank you for that and I think there's

01:14:21.580 a lot of people that have felt very frustrated by the process that they have they have walked

01:14:26.700 through again i've spoken with many doctors who have struggled uh in this province and other

01:14:31.980 provinces actually um in in you know the the even just the process of trying to report these

01:14:38.860 uh having patients that they're very concerned for come back and say well i've been told i still have

01:14:45.580 to be um dose two vaccinated so a real challenge for many people and uh you know i i appreciate

01:14:53.660 that you are are going public and that you are speaking up for a lot of people who don't have a

01:14:59.180 voice in this uh and uh you know sort of demanding that it not be silenced so thank you for that

01:15:07.420 well and i appreciate the venue and the more times that we can have open conversations that aren't

01:15:12.620 politicized, that, you know, we will get better, better as people here as we move forward.

01:15:18.140 And there's going to be a ton of lessons learned out of this. And I would anticipate legislation

01:15:22.700 put in place as well, once we get the full understanding. The challenge that I have right

01:15:28.300 now is on the federal level, regardless of what is coming out, that we still seem to be heading

01:15:35.200 down a path of reckless abandon and not listening to what is relevant. It's fixated on ideology and

01:15:41.420 belief rather than where we're at and it's going to take all of us to try to turn that around

01:15:45.660 and understand that you know we've been divided and conquered we've been turned on each other as

01:15:50.700 citizens here and we have to stop that rhetoric we have to stop talking about our vaccine status

01:15:56.460 we have to talk about what happened where we're at and to make sure that again people are well

01:16:01.580 informed and advised of what's happening and not to live in fear yeah it's just very compelling

01:16:07.740 and it tugs in the heartstrings when you hear these stories and again like the folks on the call

01:16:12.540 a lot of them come across my desk because i've said this and i'll keep tabling your information

01:16:17.020 and if you do have vaccine injuries or stories and you're not being listened to

01:16:20.780 send it in to me and and i'll do what i can with it and i'll make sure that it gets tabled and put

01:16:25.660 on public record so that we do have a historical record of this as well forever in our answer as

01:16:30.700 it was recorded in the Alberta history. Well, that's incredible. I appreciate that.

01:16:36.460 And thank you very much for your time. I know that you are likely very busy. So if you need

01:16:43.560 to jump off, completely understand. Thanks again. And I'm sure we'll hear from you again

01:16:50.940 on this topic. I appreciate it, folks. Take care. Okay. And Corinne, I wanted to just chat with you

01:16:58.520 again uh you we you and i had talked about a friend of yours as well uh her name was claire

01:17:04.520 duncan and claire is a good friend of yours that is actually a triath triathlete and you had

01:17:11.640 mentioned she was also vaccine injured and uh she spoke with me today wasn't able to join us for the

01:17:18.600 call but said that that she would be okay for you to share a little bit about what she experienced

01:17:24.520 as well yeah she was um she was diagnosed with myopericarditis after her third dose

01:17:33.160 like me she felt like she was having a heart attack uh 24 hours after getting it and went

01:17:37.560 to the hospital and all tests revealed there was a lot of information and the doctors think

01:17:43.560 she probably developed it um after the second dose because she was having all the symptoms

01:17:50.040 of myocarditis after her second dose but um didn't really pay attention i guess and pushed through

01:17:57.400 yeah yeah as a triathlete and she got sent for a ct and an echo and now she has severe 0.96

01:18:06.280 nerve damage in her feet which came i guess a week after her third dose um in january and she

01:18:13.080 still has that right now. And she has radiating chest pain. Her HR was elevated to, I think she 0.98

01:18:23.040 said 160 while resting and she had flu-like symptoms. Her initial cardiologist appointment

01:18:30.880 after her visit to the hospital was scheduled five weeks after her diagnosis, which is similar to me,

01:18:40.820 wait weeks and weeks while you're unable to sleep you're in pain you're unable to live your life

01:18:45.780 for these appointments and then they gave her ibuprofen and suggested bed rest to her and

01:18:54.420 and didn't really give her any information at all on what recovery would look like or

01:19:00.180 her path forward as a triathlete just kind of there you go bed rest 0.87

01:19:05.860 you know i when i listen to your experience when i listen to uh claire's experience sean

01:19:15.820 your experience i just think you know sean you were telling me too that you lost 60 pounds uh

01:19:21.920 in a very short amount of time i mean the this is life-changing uh and how long this is going

01:19:28.960 be life-changing um you know like it i i can't imagine trying to process the regret uh and but

01:19:40.400 but stay positive not not let this uh affect you mentally uh and and and bring you down i

01:19:47.440 i imagine that's been a bit of a challenge for for either of you sean how about you

01:19:51.440 um it has but initially i just tried to just focus on my recovery i knew i had a long way to go when

01:20:00.240 i had lost some intestine and i kind of had to reinvent how i how i ate and how i drank and

01:20:05.600 everything else i found that with time um you know motivation seems to wane over time and then that's

01:20:12.800 when i started to struggle with it more and more i did become um i had a harder time staying

01:20:18.160 positive and i started to also become more and more bitter about what had happened uh just the

01:20:23.440 complete lack of support the lack of acknowledgement from a government level whether it was federal or

01:20:29.920 provincial there's been there's been absolutely nothing there's been almost no contact and

01:20:36.640 updates from the vaccine injury support program i was fortunate that my work did have long-term

01:20:43.360 disability set up because i haven't worked now in eight to ten months so initially i was on ei

01:20:50.160 which doesn't pay particularly well and then i got transferred over to that but there's definitely

01:20:54.960 been periods where i just kind of felt i don't want to say betrayed or um i feel like i put my

01:21:03.040 trust in the health professionals and i put my trust um in our government and um i regret it

01:21:09.920 now and i wish i hadn't and i'll never be able to again when they told me it should be safe to go

01:21:14.160 get another vaccine i couldn't trust them i did that the first time um you know they said it was

01:21:19.360 safe to get this vaccine and it wasn't and it's just that simple you know it very nearly killed

01:21:24.400 me um i lived with a lot of guilt initially because nobody put a gun to my head and forced

01:21:30.400 me to get this vaccine i did it on my own accord and then my children almost lost their father

01:21:35.360 because of it and the first couple weeks nurses even had a hard time understanding when i tell 0.72

01:21:42.480 them that the guilt was just overwhelming i'd break down lying in my bed in the icu i just

01:21:47.360 have tears pouring down my face thinking about my children and my family what i'd done to them

01:21:54.320 by making this choice and it turned out to be the worst choice i've ever made in my life

01:21:59.920 and no i wouldn't do it again but it's hard to know that the manufacturers aren't liable and

01:22:06.800 the government's not liable and nobody has any sort of responsibility and then you can't even

01:22:12.480 get acknowledgement or support for your injury after the fact especially when they're mandating

01:22:18.640 people go get them and you can't mandate something and tell people to do something and then just

01:22:24.720 just waive all liability and all responsibility after.

01:22:28.340 You have to support people that are injured

01:22:30.480 when you're mandating something like this.

01:22:32.640 And I just, I can't agree with what they're doing

01:22:36.200 and how they're moving forward.

01:22:38.260 BC just postponed a new mandate,

01:22:42.160 which was all the private care sector.

01:22:43.660 So all the dentists, all the chiropractors,

01:22:45.640 massage therapists, everybody that worked in those offices

01:22:49.020 at the end of March was potentially out of a job

01:22:51.380 if they didn't all go get vaccinated.

01:22:53.300 And I just couldn't believe that our province was putting in new mandates at this point when it feels like everybody's going to get a jab against what can be treated like a flu or a cold at this point.

01:23:06.060 So I have very I've had a lot of sleepless nights just trying to come to terms with everything that happened over what seemed like such a harmless thing in the first place.

01:23:17.460 I walked in and got a little jab in my shoulder and I carried on and I changed my life potentially forever.

01:23:23.300 because i'll have i'll have short balance and go for the rest of my life now i'm not getting any

01:23:26.900 more any more intestine back i'm afraid yeah kareen how about you how how has this affected

01:23:33.860 you uh and your mental health um it's been a challenge i um the like four months of not

01:23:42.260 being able to sleep and having to sit up all night uh you know no sleep alone is gonna do a number

01:23:50.180 and it was hard to be a mother and to carry out my responsibilities at work and um you know and

01:24:00.100 and also just to deal with constant pain and every breath being a struggle um i can't there

01:24:06.820 were times when i couldn't even talk because it was too much effort and um so then i just didn't

01:24:13.140 even want to be around people because even the excitement of being around people caused my heart

01:24:18.660 rate to go up to a point where i couldn't and i'm an extrovert so just all that alone time that i

01:24:25.060 that i had to take just to try to recover you know and then coupled with the prognosis of you

01:24:31.620 will not be able to work for the rest of your life you will not be able to participate in society

01:24:37.460 like just seeing legislation going into place around the world and there's nowhere to go to

01:24:43.700 get away from it it's certainly challenging and you know it takes a lot

01:24:52.920 of strength to to heal during a time of such uncertainty I I would agree I can't

01:25:03.200 imagine how excuse me how difficult it has probably been I when I put the call

01:25:10.700 out to to speak with people and to have them share their stories about being vaccine injured

01:25:17.820 you can only imagine my my inbox was quite full and i i heard from many people i heard from

01:25:27.660 a southern alberta lady she received two pfizer shots and within two weeks she was in

01:25:36.620 you know similar to you Sean terrible abdominal pain and she was misdiagnosed I think again this

01:25:43.500 is this is part of the struggle is is that a lot of these doctors don't know what they're up against

01:25:48.460 they're not sure what they're looking for you know people are presenting with symptoms you can't find

01:25:54.220 anything in the tests she was misdiagnosed and then four days later she went back in in again

01:26:01.260 even worse excruciating pain and they found that she had a perforated appendix um and and her

01:26:08.540 challenge was that uh they they didn't believe that this had anything to do with her vaccine

01:26:14.780 even though it was um it was within weeks uh until her daughter she said looked into it and saw on

01:26:23.420 pfizer's list of adverse events that appendicitis and issues with the appendix were a known effect

01:26:32.060 from the vaccine so that was a struggle for her i had another lady from ontario her name's liz

01:26:38.700 she contacted me one dose injured she does have an exemption she's a 39 year old mom of two

01:26:46.060 she got vaccinated to be able to work you know a lot of people did a lot of people did it 0.70

01:26:51.340 it not necessarily, as you mentioned, Sean, for the reason to be protected, but it was to be able

01:26:57.540 to work and to be able to go out with friends and to be able to live a normal life. She, like you,

01:27:03.920 Corinne, had shortness of breath, joint pain. They found a blood clot in her lungs. I have another

01:27:10.520 person that contacted me, an Ontario law enforcement officer. After two doses of Pfizer

01:27:16.480 through May and June. He had ringing in the ears after the first dose, but after the second dose,

01:27:24.920 it has been horrible, terrible chronic tinnitus, he says. His family doctor and

01:27:33.480 another specialist did confirm it is a vaccine injury with no treatment. So he is still dealing

01:27:42.180 with it it is it has not uh lifted in any way shape or form for him and this is since june so

01:27:50.180 he's struggling with that another person contacted me to let me know that his wife's grandmother

01:27:57.060 also suffered from pericarditis and was hospitalized numerous times almost died

01:28:03.300 it was confirmed by a doctor to be vaccine related and she still ended up having to get

01:28:11.380 her second shot uh and and it you know like it again it's one of those situations where

01:28:18.180 people are making these decisions and uh feeling pressured or forced i heard from another mother um

01:28:26.500 this was a lady from windsor ontario her 26 year old son experienced bell's palsy this is again

01:28:34.020 another terrible side effect that many people have suffered from um and it's sort of the paralysis

01:28:40.260 of one side of your of your face was confirmed as an adverse reaction to the shot from an allergist

01:28:47.620 said he should not get the second dose but again it was one of those situations where they suggested

01:28:55.700 try the johnson and johnson for your second dose and thankfully did he did not react to that second

01:29:03.540 dose. He did go and get the Johnson and Johnson. But again, I understand from listening to both of

01:29:12.400 you and to many others that this has been, you know, it's been a very strange time. We've never

01:29:20.160 experienced anything like this. And I think there has been a lot of people who haven't had the

01:29:25.140 opportunity to speak well for themselves. And even in that, I know, Corinne, you had said part of the

01:29:31.680 reason you feel like you have got somewhere that you were able to get an exemption for a period

01:29:39.980 of time was because you could speak up and you could speak well for yourself. And I think there

01:29:44.300 are a lot of people who haven't been able to. Yeah, I recognize that the ability to research

01:29:54.320 and articulate is um and to be tenacious while you're feeling so terrible and you know I had

01:30:02.680 the support of my husband helping me along that journey and advocating by my side and um I just

01:30:09.800 can't imagine what it's like for you know somebody who's not as familiar with the language or who

01:30:17.460 isn't supported um by the people around them um yeah i i do think advocacy is missing for many

01:30:28.040 well i you know the i would like to kind of thank you both because you both are um you know speaking

01:30:35.660 up you both are uh taking the opportunity to share and and i think that is part of how we

01:30:43.600 get through this right is is bringing awareness to this giving people an

01:30:48.160 opportunity to speak in a voice and to hear and and I hope that as we move

01:30:55.780 through this as we get out of this pandemic that we learn a lot from this

01:31:01.900 and we don't ever have to repeat some of the mistakes that were made and and I

01:31:09.840 really do hope that both of you are are sort of on the mend and continue to to get better and can

01:31:17.600 enjoy uh you know a good life with your children as parents uh in your work lives uh being fit and

01:31:25.600 active so uh that's my hope for both of you and again i just want to thank you both for

01:31:31.360 speaking with me today and for sharing your stories thank you thank you melanie

01:31:39.840 I'll see you next time.

Western Standard - March 29, 2022

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