00:01:00.000Hello, and welcome to Mountain Standard Time.
00:01:12.280I'm, of course, your host, Nathan Gita.
00:01:14.520And today we'll be talking with two different guests.
00:01:17.380A little bit later today, that is to say about 10.30 Mountain, 9.30 Pacific,
00:01:22.040we'll have Nadine Wellwood come on, an independent journalist from Alberta
00:01:25.220who has been at a few of the lockdown protests,
00:01:28.000and she can tell us what that's all about.
00:01:30.000And then in the second half of the show, I'll be joined by Sheldon Clare, president of the National Firearms Association.
00:01:35.340Remember to like the Western Standard on Facebook to be notified when we go live and subscribe to support our content.
00:01:41.240Unlike the CBC, we don't get a billion dollar check from the liberals every year to propagandize you.
00:01:46.740I'm getting tired of talking about the lockdowns, to be honest with you.
00:01:50.400Vaccines, reopenings and provincial health officers.
00:01:52.940But the truth is they keep making it an issue.
00:01:55.440So we in the media have to keep talking about it.
00:01:57.940In all honesty, if they declared the pandemic over tomorrow and rescinded all restrictions, if they didn't even acknowledge their incompetence or say sorry, I'd probably forgive them for just having my freedoms back.
00:02:13.580They are in too deep with the world watching, commenting on what they do, paying little to no heed to the needs of their citizens, crying for help.
00:02:22.620Government policy is always a hostage situation.
00:02:24.700This is very important that everybody take note of that.
00:08:44.440representatives who was commenting on this he said this to him he said well you'd better fight that
00:08:48.820tooth and nail or else you'll never win another election again and i don't know i don't know how
00:08:53.840much i want to play into the question of voting fraud i think that i think that elections canada
00:08:58.240does a stand-up job in a lot of ways we all know that vote buying does go on in certain parts of
00:09:03.360the country uh particularly in some of the northern parts of the prairie provinces there's no nice way
00:09:08.700of saying it i know for a fact that that happens and in some of those places and and and the
00:09:14.480evidence is there people want to look for it but that's more direct vote buying like somebody like
00:09:19.720voting uh in their community because they're the leader of their community said they'd give
00:09:24.720them 50 bucks or whatever to vote the right way but here's here we are so elections canada
00:09:29.600uh is preparing to accept count to accept count mail-in ballots received after election day so
00:09:36.240So as we kind of scroll down here, Elections Canada officials are preparing to accept mailed-in ballots a day after polls close should an election be held in 2021.
00:09:44.560Speaking in the House of Commons and shared by the Black Locks reporter, Serve MP Marilyn Gladue said with regard to counting ballots, the polls are closed.
00:09:53.820Many returning hours told her that the mail ballots would be accepted after polls close on a Monday election.
00:09:58.640They think they will count them if they show up by Tuesday, Gladue said.
00:10:03.120Under the current rules outlined in the Canada Elections Act, a vote must be received by the close of polling to be counted.
00:10:10.100The Liberals, however, are angling to modify the Act through Bill C-19, an act to amend the Canada Elections Act,
00:10:17.260which would grant permission for returning officers to count ballots after polls are closed.
00:10:22.320While just over 50,000, about 50,000 mail-in ballots were counted for the 2019 election,
00:10:27.740generally from those in military or Canadian citizens living in other countries,
00:10:31.300Governments are anticipating a massive increase in mail-in voting for a potential 2020 election due to an ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.
00:10:38.100Explaining the necessary to circulate 5 million mail-in ballots, Privy Council President and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Dominic LeBlanc,
00:10:45.200said in a letter to the House that voting by mail would be a key aspect of running a fair election during the pandemic,
00:10:52.760while pointing to the ongoing uncertainty surrounding the pandemic and the myriad ways it could unexpectedly affect the rights of electors to vote.
00:11:00.820safety safely sorry well that was a lot let's break that down a little bit uh headline is
00:11:07.660they're going to take in ballots uh after the election is over um that is that's a problem
00:11:19.600uh i mean we kind of have this thing in bc somewhat but it isn't that they're received later
00:11:24.460they get counted later so in bc we have this interesting law where you can vote anywhere
00:11:30.520you do not need to vote in your district
00:20:27.840And I mean, in America, maybe we would have gotten some nasty letters and even somebody who actually did threaten to call the FCC and sue us or whatever.
00:20:34.640And maybe the FCC would have been eventually notified and gotten back to us.
00:20:37.400I have no idea if anyone's ever going to call the CRTC.
00:20:40.400And even if they did, the CRTC is going to call the producer of that radio show, who is also like the main player there.
00:20:46.660and say, look, we heard this happened.
00:20:51.020And they're going to hang up the phone.
00:20:53.860That's also because there's only so many community radio stations in Canada
00:20:57.680and so many radio stations in Canada and so many TV stations in Canada.
00:21:01.460So can you imagine trying to do that same kind of regulation?
00:21:05.760Now, again, not just with swearing, but I mean with something actually controversial.
00:21:10.560could you imagine attempting to regulate that with with like little bureaucrats sitting in
00:21:17.160front of their computers trying to make sure that everything on social media is good how many how
00:21:21.880many people would you need to regulate that like that's a lot of people how many people are you
00:21:25.700willing to pay to make sure that nobody's ranting and raving on facebook and spreading fake news
00:21:30.440according to you and that's the thing too how do you know what fake news is or not so this is an
00:21:35.220interesting is an interesting aspect like when you when you were let's pretend let's and not
00:21:41.180like I'm using a real life example here or anything but let's pretend for a moment that
00:21:44.500you knew somebody who was you know involved with the CRA and they had they had experience in what
00:21:51.500the CRA needs to do in order to make sure that for example your identity hasn't been stole yeah not
00:21:57.420a real life example at all anyways the point is that this person right has been trained and what
00:22:03.020are they trained to do well they're trained to look at your tax return and see whether or not
00:22:07.080your deposit information recently changed right to see whether or not your addresses match up to
00:22:12.040see whether or not there's been consistency of work or like the kind of work you've been doing
00:22:15.280before these are all pieces of figuring out whether or not you're a real person
00:22:20.860like whether like whether or not you've been or you've had your identity stolen right so somebody's
00:22:27.720faking being you this is this is just like it's basic one-on-one stuff right it's just like if a
00:22:32.280kid was lying to you right about taking something out of the cookie drawer a student was lying to
00:22:35.680you about cheating on tests or your buddy was lying to you about about you know crashing your
00:22:39.400car causing damage to your property like you would just do some basic due diligence to kind
00:22:44.100of think through that problem okay something has gone wrong or something looks like it might have
00:22:47.600gone wrong i'm going to work through this question was the same thing with with this with this issue
00:22:51.820with when it comes to uh censorship how how could a bunch of bureaucrats and like they might even be
00:22:59.000nice people but like honestly do you want someone to sit at a desk all day and look through facebook
00:23:03.640to make sure that facebook is being kind or nice or whatever and nobody on facebook is doing anything
00:23:08.700crazy i i don't who who could you pay for that and how many people would it take to look into
00:23:15.020stuff like that i guess it could be a reporting model but then that's exactly the problem as we
00:23:19.640go into this other other point that was made in the napo uh commentator by jameel giovanni
00:23:25.420uh giovanni uh you know people really like for example they like actually pretty raunchy podcasts
00:23:31.940nowadays they like you know there's some pretty straight shooters out there in the alternative
00:23:35.680media world technically speaking i'm i'm one of those people to a point uh we don't get super
00:23:40.880raunchy on this show i can get quite excited a little upset and i can be i can use some pretty
00:23:45.480strong moral language but i don't really drop f-bombs or anything on on this show and that's
00:23:50.140That's important. But Jamil Giovanni makes the point that Trudeau's censorship agenda could target Joe Rogan.
00:23:58.640And of course, he's using the Joe Rogan reference because Joe Rogan is the is the biggest name in the world of what what I'm doing right now.
00:24:05.800Right. There's Joe Rogan. There's Steven Crowder. Ben Shapiro. Ted Cruz has got his own thing.
00:24:13.720They're mostly conservatives or libertarians, which is kind of interesting.
00:24:16.360There's not a lot of leftists out there doing it, except for that, not Richard Branson.
00:27:08.860So what you're going to end up having to do is clapping down on, I guess, offenders that you know already, people known to police, known to the Facebook police, right?
00:27:54.280kind of roll, especially into what Nadine
00:27:56.300is going to be talking about to us in a second here, is that censorship is on the rise. And
00:28:00.460the danger with that, of course, is that if you don't get to hear all the ideas, even the crazy
00:28:04.380ones, you don't get to make your own choices. That's life. So the more ideas you have access
00:28:09.520to at any one time, just like the more information you have access to at any one time, allows you to
00:28:13.780filter through the information yourself, the ideas yourself, the opinions yourself, and come to your
00:28:17.920own conclusions. If that's being taken from you, then you're only getting one side of the story.
00:28:23.820And it's a really good divide and conquer tactic because the fact of the matter is that if you can't have a right wing and left wing columnist in the same paper or we can't have right wing and left wing people on the same TV show, if that just doesn't happen and if only one opinion is prized over another opinion and that opinion is always somehow pro corporate, pro government, pro big spending, pro whatever weird social thing we're doing today when it comes to social progressivism and the next the next bizarre acronym that's being invented for the next bizarre kind of non normative behavior.
00:28:53.820behavior it this is this is nonsense so the point is that if the liberals are successful
00:28:59.660in putting this uh in putting this through we're in we're in deep trouble deep deep trouble and
00:29:05.580we've got to do something about that so we're going to bring nadine on now and we're going to
00:29:09.440talk to her a little bit about what's happening in alberta uh nadine welcome to the program of
00:29:13.820course you're an independent journalist in alberta and you are with us at the western standard as
00:29:18.520well at least getting on with us in time and we are happy to have you here today in order to tell
00:29:24.040us about what happened with the rodeo and what's happening around Alberta when it comes to lockdown
00:29:27.620welcome to the program thank you it's a pleasure to be here awesome well what happened where do
00:29:35.000we start uh do you want the whistle stop or the no more lockdowns um let's start with the rodeo
00:29:42.760So Mr. Guy Northcott was the event organizer and coordinator for the No More Lockdowns
00:29:49.080Rodeo just outside of Bowdoin on his own private property.
00:29:53.960And he just received his summons yesterday to appear in court in Red Deer on May 17th.
00:30:00.560And he's being charged under the Public Health Act.
00:30:03.640And of course, there's potentially some pretty hefty fines associated with that.
00:30:07.440So not only he was served, but his wife and, of course, his company was named as well.
00:30:15.140So he received three summons, compliments of the RCMP yesterday.
00:30:28.100I don't really know where I live anymore.
00:30:30.960I thought I lived in a country where, like, honestly, the RCMP, as bothersome as they could be,
00:30:35.180couldn't be bothered to come bother me with this sort of stuff but apparently they can so that's
00:30:40.380that's uh that's a new one that's a new one i would have thought they would have had to get
00:30:43.820the alberta sheriffs to do it but uh oh well well what's interesting is um and mr john carpe actually
00:30:50.460touched on this as he was covering some of the events around the whistle stop um the injunction
00:30:57.660that they actually managed to get to prevent the uh whistle stop protest
00:31:05.500actually implicates pretty much every albertan that was in attendance that was aware of this
00:31:10.780every john doe jane doe you know was named in if you just attended you could have been charged and
00:31:18.780taken away this is you this is abuse of the courts this is not using the the law for what
00:31:26.300the law was intended this is a perversion of the law and you know frederick bastier actually spoke
00:31:32.620a lot about you know legal plunder and the abuse of government officials and i can't stress enough
00:31:39.660that that injunction that was held at uh the whistle stop um and and ordered by the courts now
00:31:48.300the courts are being used as enforcement instead of the protection of people's rights and freedoms
00:31:56.300Yeah, treating treating their exercise of their constitutional rights as crimes punishable by by court order. Right. And by by indictment, we must remember, and this is actually good that we're going to have Stuart back on here later this week.
00:32:10.060For those of us who've been watching for a little while, we've had Stuart Parker on here a few times, a guy way out in left field, nowhere near us on the political spectrum, who I'm speaking to right now and myself.
00:32:21.000But the reason that I really enjoy having Stuart on here is he helps explain some of these things.
00:32:25.500And it's good solidarity, because if we're going to have the West be the best, we need to reach across the aisle.
00:32:29.760But he explains in no uncertain terms how this injunction stuff works.
00:32:32.920So I'm going to try and rehash it here, but he'll do a better job in two days.
00:32:36.400So what people need to understand about injunctions is that it's an offense against the sanctity of the court itself.
00:32:47.500You have trespassed the court itself, which is to say Her Majesty and all of the power that she's endowed with represented by the judges of our country.
00:32:57.300And so you can imagine that that could carry some pretty heavy weight.
00:33:00.800In fact, there are no caps to the sentencing that can come out of a contempt of court charge for trespassing an injunction because you are, again, trespassing the court.
00:33:10.260And as Stuart pointed out last week, it's actually one of the few offenses you can still be executed for in this country.
00:33:14.880There's mutiny and contempt of court slash injunctions, trespassing injunctions.
00:33:19.020So the point being that he noted, just as Nadine was noting here, that he actually had to represent to whom it may concern, to John Doe and Jane Doe and others.
00:33:31.540So he represented all unnamed people and others when he was brought before the courts back in the 90s.
00:33:38.760And he had quite a bit of fun representing all these unnamed people as himself.
00:33:43.700I am the unnamed and going back and forth with the judge about what exactly this had to do with
00:33:48.840anything. So if anybody's looking for a legal strategy, call yourself the unnamed. I am
00:33:54.300Spartacus, you know, and just go that route. So Nadine, have you been named in this? Like,
00:33:59.300what's going to happen? Well, I was attending the event as the journalist for the Western
00:34:06.280standard so i have not as far as i'm aware been named and i haven't had any rcmp present me with
00:34:14.360anything but uh you know it'll be interesting to see they were handing out a number of tickets
00:34:19.240at the event after the fact and in the beginning because part of this injunction was you had to be
00:34:25.480aware of it so in the beginning the rcmp were actually going around handing out a notice so
00:34:34.520it was like trying to make people aware and of course people were just refusing to take it which
00:34:39.080was the right thing for them to do but the amount of police officers and the show of force this
00:34:48.600really for me became the first event that i've attended that i took a step back and went this is
00:34:55.800getting very real they were there you know such a large number in such a big presence it was really
00:35:05.640an intimidation tactic and then to have three arrests made you know in alberta on that same day
00:35:12.760you know uh pastor arthur pulowski whether you know you think he's radical or not you know he
00:35:17.800still is a pastor that's the second pastor in alberta that's been i don't know of anywhere in
00:35:24.280the world other than alberta canada that has arrested a pastor through all of this and we've
00:35:31.400arrested too you know and james coates you know he's a lamb the most gentile you know peaceful
00:35:40.360man um you know and art is the lion in this for sure um and then of course glenn carrot was
00:35:47.160arrested as well no one's talking about that and of course chris scott just a business owner you
00:35:53.080know trying to keep his business alive be there for his community um put food on the the table
00:36:00.680for his family and these are the criminals now that we're dedicating our resources and hunting
00:36:06.280down i mean it it you know this is precisely it when it comes to this question of criminality
00:36:13.960things have been inverted things have been completely inverted so so to to you know sit
00:36:19.160at home and not do anything is somehow a virtue while to go and try and make a living is somehow
00:36:25.240a vice and something that must be corrected and simultaneously as well especially when we talk
00:36:30.120about small business people who are who are losing their their livelihood what what other choice do
00:36:36.840they have they can't they can't wait for a government another government subsidy to come
00:36:41.960through and and take care of the day in the end they have to make they have to make it pay or
00:36:46.120else they're still paying rent and they're still paying heating and they're still this this isn't
00:36:49.960going to pay if they can't make money at their jobs well it's not only that it's the goalposts
00:36:56.120consistently moves there's no no okay well if we hit this target then this well if we hit that
00:37:01.720target or sometimes even if we don't there's a new restriction that's put into place so for example
00:37:06.680with the last series of restrictions that jason kenny put into place um you know he said outdoor
00:37:11.480patios were fine so you have all and have you seen the price of lumber lately all of these small
00:37:18.040business owners that go out and they upgrade their patios it's an extra expense that they
00:37:24.280at this particular time cannot afford and then literally weeks later he says no changed our mind
00:37:33.800how is that even fair you know how do you want a business when you don't know from day to day
00:37:41.480what the government is going to throw at you and i i mean i'm sorry but this is this is queuing
00:37:48.760something up for me in the sense that one of the places that i've had a lot of fun uh is trying to
00:37:54.520explain to people that uh they lost they lost the rights to their face uh when the government uh
00:38:00.280banned smoking indoors this has been one of my rants that i've gone over again and again
00:38:04.600it's not this is not this is not a a promotion of smoking in general or an endorsement that
00:38:10.120smoking is just fine that's not the point the point is the idea that the government could
00:38:14.360literally regulate the air you breathe in a private business or in your private car should
00:38:20.040you smoke with your kids in the car probably not but again the idea that the government could
00:38:24.280regulate that has become completely pervasive through society and there you are so why can't
00:38:29.320the government put a mask on your face and to your point exactly with the patio thing
00:38:33.720in british columbia they said that if you built smoke cancellation systems people would be allowed
00:38:39.320to smoke inside six months later they changed the rule after everybody upgraded or shortly after
00:38:45.080everybody upgrades so the people who wanted to upgrade did they built rooms where there was a
00:38:49.160big fan and there was smoke cancellation they never got a sent back at the pst they paid on
00:38:54.840that ducting they never got a sent back in the renovations they didn't get a write-off they
00:38:58.360didn't get to count as a loss the government just changed the rules so to your same point here
00:39:03.000arbitrary government rules that don't necessarily square with science or reason or just how you run
00:39:08.120a business changing all of a sudden this has been going on a long time it's been going on since the
00:39:13.08090s well even earlier in many respects but i mean in this kind of public health sense it's been going
00:39:18.360on since the 80s and 90s well what we have is the nanny state and what we're seeing is that nanny
00:39:25.320state is actually graduating now to more of a police state um and the enforcement of government
00:39:32.040rules legal or otherwise because i mean we have an amazing group of lawyers in this province in
00:39:38.680particular that are really standing up and pointing out the violations to the charter of
00:39:43.400rights and freedoms the bill of rights um our constitution and you know what's really for me
00:39:50.520somewhat shameful is our media is not covering that and the media has really been the biggest
00:39:59.320um i think fear spreading the fear of of covid
00:40:06.120and and and that's given the government more power to come out with what they're
00:40:09.720doing and and you know it's about objectivity
00:40:12.840we need everybody need and you said this just a moment ago everybody needs to
00:40:16.120see both sides of the story so people often look at me and go
00:40:19.560nadine well you have an opinion of course i do but i also want to make
00:40:23.240sure that both sides of the story are being heard
00:40:25.880i mean ctb tv global cbc they do a good job at covering you know the other side and they're
00:40:32.680bought and paid for it's state propaganda in my opinion and there's nobody that's talking about
00:40:40.360where's the evidence so for example i just had a call this morning with mr northcott
00:40:45.160the lockdown rodeos um event coordinator and that was a protest that was a protest against
00:40:51.400these draconian measures that the government is taking and like he said he's looking forward to
00:40:57.160his day in court but his concern now also is that he gets a fair judge because you know we had a
00:41:06.280judge who put an injunction in place unnamed people right anybody could go to prison you know because
00:41:14.040they simply decided to show up at a protest which is legally within their right to do so
00:41:19.560and that's his biggest concern so people are not afraid to stand up for their rights they're not
00:41:26.240afraid to go to jail as Chris Scott had made mention with at the whistle stop he's not afraid
00:41:31.580to go to jail his biggest concern right now is the apathy of Canadian people people are sitting
00:41:38.320at home on their sofas and letting this happen and and there was a great sign and I know it's
00:41:44.360been going around on Facebook you know and I'm going to reference Anne Frank because you know
00:41:49.100the people who hid her were breaking the law the people who killed her were following orders and
00:41:59.240right now again my opinion but this is not the time to be complying and following orders we need
00:42:05.980to question what is going on we need to demand the evidence show us the evidence people are not
00:42:13.840unreasonable but when you ask people to go through what they have gone through for the last 15 months
00:42:19.520when they were told it was going to be two weeks two weeks and they have never seen evidence and
00:42:27.620the pastor coates trial was very interesting because they were asked to produce evidence and
00:42:32.760they said they didn't have enough time well in circumstances where you're drawing upon a pandemic
00:42:38.400emergency measures like this you are supposed to have done the due diligence have the evidence
00:42:43.560before you put the measures in place and here we are 15 months later they're going to court and
00:42:52.040they say sorry we don't have enough time don't have enough time uh i'm pretty sure that in order
00:42:59.620to charge someone you need the evidence to charge them that's uh the founding rule of english
00:43:04.260speaking justice habeas corpus produce the body in any case i think something else that's kind of
00:43:11.320also interesting is that the attitude that's kind of been taken it's not that it's not that bc doesn't
00:43:16.040have any uh enforcement of the restrictions uh but it's it's interesting that bc which is definitely
00:43:21.800more irreligious than than alberta is somehow not i think as far as i know i'd have to check in some
00:43:28.760places there's definitely been some crackdowns in some of the churches and whatever i don't think
00:43:32.520we're rounding up pastors though what do you think's going on in alberta which i mean you know
00:43:37.480especially from the liberal side of Canada, the Eastern side, they would say, well, Alberta is a0.75
00:43:41.420bunch of Bible thumpers. Why is Alberta having a problem with its pastors in a way that BC isn't?0.99
00:43:48.220Well, I think Alberta is, I think Alberta probably represents the most conservative
00:43:54.640voice in Canada. And I think that's a real threat to the liberal, the left, to the Trudeau
00:44:03.920government in particular and I think Jason Kenney and I don't understand the rationale but he's
00:44:10.080really taken offense to people not obeying his orders and he is hiding behind Dr. Hinshaw
00:44:18.000and has said you know it's not my fault it's it's you know AHS who's doing this but I'm going you
00:44:25.040have to come back and say excuse me but are you not the premier so you know I know Horgan has
00:44:31.140certainly put uh bonnie henry out front but he has has made it also very clear that they are not
00:44:36.900going to take these um enforcement measures like you've seen here in alberta so it is a great
00:44:44.740question um why such a tough and i think it's because you know albertans you know the rodeo
00:44:53.060the police did not show up at rodeo could you imagine the confrontation of a bunch of cowboys
00:44:58.020I mean, you go back to the days of cowboys and Indians, really, and it would not, I don't think, have ended in anything productive.0.98
00:45:09.060But, I mean, they're arresting people, Pastor Poloski, in the middle of 17th Avenue.
00:45:14.540I mean, that didn't even look safe to me, not for the police officer and especially for Pastor Poloski, who was on his knees in the middle of one of the busiest streets we have in Calgary.
00:45:26.280you know why why why why this is such a demonstration of force and and coercion
00:45:34.840and it's i think it's a scare tactic you know albertans get in line smarten up
00:45:40.860and smarten up to what end this is the thing that's really confusing to me
00:45:46.360to what end this the pandemic is supposed to end
00:45:52.180go on a virus does not go away so dr modry and um dr joffrey uh dr hodkinson they've all made
00:46:05.120this very clear i mean we have a flu that reoccurs every year except for when there's covid
00:46:11.520and it's a virus it is going to constantly mutate it doesn't go away measles has never
00:46:17.860gone away chicken pox has never gone away this is not going away so what now is it the government's
00:46:23.160expectation that you have to wear a mask over your face for the rest of your life and the other thing
00:46:28.380that people aren't talking about and the government has been very um you know curt to deny is is the
00:46:35.980the collateral damage that colonel redmond speaks about you know and the collateral damage is a
00:46:41.960military term because people don't want to talk about, you know, the deaths that are caused by
00:46:47.960government decisions. So we don't call it deaths or the harm. We call it collateral damage. The
00:46:53.940suicide. So in Mirror at the whistle stop, interestingly enough, there was an individual
00:46:59.240who stood up there and spoke of the three suicides that have happened in Mirror since this lockdown
00:47:04.900has begun three in a little tiny community that has not been impacted by covid not one death
00:47:13.140in mirror from covid but now three suicides so you tell me what's more deadly
00:47:20.420this is something that's becoming very apparent in british columbia as well my own father is a
00:47:24.820is a psychiatrist technically speaking he's an adolescent psychiatrist but here in northern
00:47:28.180british columbia you uh do the work they got uh but the the thing that that you know he's observed
00:47:33.780is that you know he usually gets a couple of of suicide attempts in a year uh he's had record
00:47:39.220numbers over the last 15 months record numbers of suicide attempts and of course in bc the real
00:47:44.660pandemic the real epidemic is of course the opiate crisis i was just finishing up a column on this
00:47:50.020this morning i needed to beef it up a little bit and it had to do with ali thomas out of victoria
00:47:55.540who of course was 12 when she died of opiate overdose uh last month well what's really
00:48:03.300happening to our children is such um that's criminal you know i have a nine-year-old little
00:48:09.700daughter and um you know i it's it's taking its toll on her we're trying to keep things
00:48:14.660as normal as we possibly can and she's hearing what's going on she's seeing what's going on
00:48:20.420um you know the limits that uh are placed upon her as far as what she can do with her friends
00:48:27.140and who she can see um it's just it really this is decades to correct what is happening and i also
00:48:35.300too have um a friend of mine um who is a doctor mental health and his practice right now is open
00:48:42.740seven days a week he has never seen the amount of traffic and the need and that's why he said
00:48:50.260he's open seven days a week why because he needs to be right now it's it's it's pretty incredible
00:48:57.940really if you think about it and and then let's think about that collateral damage we have a
00:49:01.460socialized medical system in canada that doctor is billing for those and that's fine that's the
00:49:07.140nature of our system but but if that frequency has gone up that much those billings have gone up that
00:49:13.220much that's more money from the taxpayer that's gone up that much if that's not just an isolated
00:49:18.980incident if that's every other little town and every other part of the urban areas we have in
00:49:23.440the country you can imagine that we're not just we're not just spending money we don't have out
00:49:28.020there on various projects or wasteful projects or covid restrictions we're also now billing
00:49:33.020billing for money we don't have um again it's not to say anyone who has a right to bill shouldn't
00:49:39.440bill it's it's to say that if that frequency goes up like any actuary i'm no actuary and i have no
00:49:44.680time for actuaries. I think it's a dismal profession. But the idea, you do assess things.
00:49:50.360You make a guesstimate. We all make guesstimates about how much further we need to go until we
00:49:54.220need to refill our truck. We all make guesstimates all the time. If your guesstimate is that off,
00:49:59.400right, and if it keeps being that off, you're going to be in a big hole of public debt very
00:50:04.880quickly with no light at the end of the tunnel. Well, it's okay because, you know, according to
00:50:09.900trudeau government budgets balance themselves and we'll just print more money it is tragic
00:50:15.900actually what's happened and i attribute this to the education system um for the last 30 years i
00:50:21.500think our children have been more indoctrinated and instructed as opposed to educated and
00:50:27.980regrettably they don't understand or know history and they know nothing of finance you know when i
00:50:34.140talk to people oh we'll just print more money you know millennials they'll just print more money
00:50:38.380well it doesn't work that way we're gonna see inflation happen and people go well inflation0.94
00:50:43.340well we can't control that well so being a chartered investment manager um i love talking
00:50:49.340to people about money in such a way that they can understand well when you print more of something
00:50:55.580it has lesser value so prices go up inflation is not the cause of of anything other than
00:51:04.620it's the symptom of the government printing more money and so they are directly responsible
00:51:12.860for paying more at the pumps they are directly responsible for you having to pay more uh in the
00:51:18.780grocery store every purchase you make lumber groceries housing this is all governments doing
00:51:28.380because they are printing more money it is it is at the same time i think something we actually
00:51:34.300have to face facts when it comes to, say, the interest rate as well. We've been lowering the
00:51:39.840interest rate for a very long time to the point where it's basically negligible. And of course,
00:51:45.180that's causing people to take out big loans because it's cheap to take out the big loan.
00:51:49.880And that's causing housing prices to rise as well. And God knows what that's doing to our
00:51:53.720inflation as well. And now we're in a trap where if we can't raise the interest rate in order to
00:51:58.680try and cool things or to try and bring bring the cost of a one dollar up versus you know having to
00:52:04.500pay thirty dollars for one dollar right in in inflation we have a problem because people won't
00:52:10.080be able to afford their payment so we're stuck at the bottom of this very bad fiscal hole that
00:52:16.140the policy that we were following fiscally for the last 10 years has not gone well basically ever
00:52:20.940since 2008 we had great policy into 2008 to a point because we didn't have the crash the united
00:52:25.380States had. But since then, for some reason, we've been following a very bad set of policies that at
00:52:30.360this point, we raise interest rates. People will literally be out of house and home in a matter of
00:52:35.800minutes. But we have to go back to what's the underlying cause? What's the underlying factor
00:52:40.740here? And that's government. The government interferes in pretty much every aspect of
00:52:45.180people's personal lives today, whether it's how much water comes out of your shower through to
00:52:50.440building codes which represent here and i know alberta almost one-third the cost of a home here
00:52:56.760is directly related to regulation and meeting the bureaucratics uh you know the requirements
00:53:03.800and you know we've gotten the government has gotten to the point where it's it's it's the
00:53:09.300nanny state they figure they have to take care of everyone and everything in every aspect we're not
00:53:13.520responsible adults and this is where people have to stop making demands on the government to do
00:53:19.120something and recognize that every time you do that you give up a little bit more freedom and
00:53:23.460a little bit more power and they are happy to take it but it does not serve you and when the
00:53:29.980government puts something into law it doesn't only impact one person or the group it impacts
00:53:37.060everybody and you know I have a different level of risk than most people I have you know bungee
00:53:45.200jumped i have jumped out of airplanes i was a mountaineer and a rock climber you know most
00:53:49.800people would think that's crazy but i'm still here today and yet i went for a walk in the woods just
00:53:55.460last year and went into full anaphylaxis in shock because i got stung nine times by a wasp's nest
00:54:02.820you know so we we take risks every day and we need to be able to judge for ourselves what risks
00:54:12.240you want to take most people would never take the risk of being a business owner why they prefer
00:54:17.820the security of going to work at eight coming home at four everything is very predictable they know
00:54:24.260what they're getting paid they can budget accordingly when you're a business owner you
00:54:28.560don't know what's coming at you from one day to the next with the market but now to add a government
00:54:34.940that is just throwing restrictions and regulations and and that not even ones that they're willing to
00:54:41.640explained from a rational perspective. I mean, that's not a free society. I'm sorry, but we have
00:54:49.160to admit what we're living with right now. And it's not, the courts are not upholding freedoms.
00:54:55.240They're not upholding the charter of rights. And, you know, I always tell people our legal system
00:55:00.440is founded on the supremacy that we are born with inalienable rights. You know, government didn't
00:55:07.540give them give us these rights government's job is to protect these rights and they're the ones
00:55:14.700trampling all over them they are supposed to protect those rights and i think that a huge
00:55:21.220part of it is that government is just so distant from us today it there's millions of people even
00:55:27.240in canada which is a small population but there's still millions of people and they aren't directly
00:55:32.200connected to their representatives anymore they don't know who they are they can't pass them in
00:55:35.980street and give them a wave they're not from your neighborhood you don't know who's actually in
00:55:40.140charge and that anonymity creates a huge amount of confusion and resentment creates a fog of war
00:55:45.500around policy and finally something that i addressed in my opening statement this morning is
00:55:49.420that the idea of commission government actually another subject that stewart parker likes to
00:55:54.060dwell on and we'll talk to him more about that on thursday but but commission government is a
00:55:59.100dangerous thing because ultimately it it it subtracts the very idea that kind of kind of
00:56:04.620rules and well in monarchy especially but in any but in any kind of system which is like well you
00:56:08.940are what you do and it is your honor that's going to kind of keep you accountable right that that
00:56:14.220that simple premise it's like we have an honor-based system you you what you do is who you
00:56:19.340are and what you are is what will be judged and we expect that you care about that enough that
00:56:23.740you'll act accordingly so we have accountability but when we did the commission government system
00:56:28.540when we gave so much power to bureaucrats we because we had seen politicians help themselves
00:56:34.060to the cookie jar and make sure that fire departments were in their neighborhood and
00:56:38.140not in someone else's we saw that lack of disinterest we saw people doing things selfishly
00:56:42.740we said well we'll give it to this group of people that will always act unselfishly and it's like well
00:56:46.740they're people and people can make mistakes people are always fallible and i think we're at the height
00:56:53.360of it when it comes to covid it is the inmates running the asylum the civil servants are running
00:56:58.160the government they're running the country the elected officials have completely abandoned the
00:57:01.940ship to the point where they don't even go to parliament anymore or the legislatures they don't
00:57:05.940even show up you know if we were gonna you know like where they're not even at work and isn't
00:57:12.220that amazing because these are the people that in a crisis we did elect them to be able to
00:57:20.020responsibly uh make decisions for us quickly and efficiently and effectively and they're hiding in
00:57:27.360their basements so if what happens if Canada actually did see a war you know I mean we you
00:57:35.240know Mr. Kenny came out just a few days ago May 8th you know Europe victory day and the comments
00:57:42.060that if you go to that that tweet and you read the comments people are very angry he right now
00:57:48.020does not understand what freedom is right and then to come out and say oh this is a wonderful
00:57:55.040day to be celebrated freedom and the role that canadians played in that is an insult and a slap
00:58:01.120in the face to albertans and to all canadians because if you live in a free society the
00:58:07.600government respects the individual's rights we are not a collective you and i you know may share
00:58:16.00095 of the same and then five percent different but myself and someone else may be 50 different
00:58:23.280and that's the beauty of a free society we are allowed to use our own faculties our own property
00:58:30.560um in the way that serves us the greatest and the law's purpose is to protect those rights
00:58:37.600and then more importantly allow us to do that and but the catch is is it comes with
00:58:42.960individual responsibility you as an adult are responsible for the actions that you take
00:58:48.880and the law is forced 100 all the time so the only purpose for us to have laws is to make sure that
00:58:56.240i do not infringe upon your freedoms you do not infringe upon mine first do no harm in the
00:59:02.880hippocratic oath for for medicine it's no different and right now it is the government
00:59:08.960seems to have assumed that they have all these powers that they actually don't have they only
00:59:15.120have the power of an individual because it's our power that we give them it is our power that we
00:59:22.940give them and what what needs to be understood is that the government the government is not
00:59:28.140the repository of our rights that's our own dignity given to us by god uh but the but they
00:59:34.260are the guarantor and if the guarantor can't be trusted to guarantee anymore then the then it must
00:59:39.140be ousted and i think that's what's going to end up happening it's somewhat regrettable to me i
01:02:51.880And I really wanna thank all of our listeners
01:02:55.040there who are members of the nfa and supporters and who have donated and helped us out we've got
01:03:01.280a really unprecedented time in in front of us here i mean i'm i'm a historian i look at pandemics
01:03:08.560in history i've done that a little bit and you know typical pandemics three to five years maybe
01:03:13.520as long as 14. but what we're seeing here is not the 19 to 1918 to 1922 50 million people dead
01:03:22.160pandemic that's not what's going on here and i and i think that in the initial stages of this
01:03:28.000there was a lot of fear as to what this was going to be shaping out to what it looks like and i think
01:03:32.640that we've really turned a corner on that and we should be changing our views and the fact
01:03:40.320that we haven't is very disconcerting to a lot of canadians including firearms over this has to
01:03:44.960what's going on really so i i think these are all issues of concern for us our uh legislative
01:03:54.160efforts are continuing with our active lobbying we have charlie zatch who's busy meeting with
01:04:00.960members of parliament senators various bureaucrats to ensure that our views are well in front of
01:04:08.800their agendas and i'm proud to say that we are far in excess uh the the most prolific and highest
01:04:18.880quality lobbying organization fighting for firearms rights in the country there's nobody
01:04:23.360even close to us so i'm very very pleased about that and we're continuing our efforts in a major
01:04:31.120fashion to make sure that we're we're getting our views out there and correcting this information
01:04:35.520In the court and legal front, we are funding the Cassie Premack and KKS Tactical versus Canada case, which is a focus to go after very directly.
01:04:47.420The government's assertion that banning 1500 types of firearms was reasonable and necessary in Canada.
01:06:55.660When you start seeing pastors rousted on the street by police,
01:07:01.060when you start seeing communities being shut down,
01:07:05.320people not being able to buy clothing for their children,
01:07:07.780and a whole host of other issues happening,
01:07:11.020I think that that politically is a dangerous ground for any government to say, well, we're going to have an election.
01:07:16.000I think what's going to have to happen in the Trudeau parliament is that they're going to have to say, OK, well, we're going to we're going to stop the lockdowns and we're going to open it up so we can have an election.
01:07:29.520And it seems to me that with lockdowns in place, they're not going to be able to do it.
01:07:34.300The problem they have is how do you get up, get there from here?
01:07:38.200You see, they've created such a strong state of fear in society right now that all of a sudden say, oh, it's okay now.
01:07:49.060A lot of people are vaccinated or something and it's all right.
01:07:56.520That isn't going to be very credible to people, especially those who they've convinced of their particular political point of view on this.
01:08:05.200So people are still going to be concerned.
01:08:08.320They're still going to be worried about their personal safety and the safety of their loved ones.
01:08:12.220And they're not really going to be sure what to believe and what to trust.
01:08:16.780Because when the government's been saying, well, you have to do these, these, this, that, and the other, and all these harsh measures,
01:08:22.780and then all of a sudden they're going to have to say it's okay so we can do an election, well, that's not going to really fly very well.
01:08:29.260So it's a how do you get there thing, I think.
01:08:32.080and and how do we get there the the issue is that as we see with the lockdowns throughout alberta
01:08:40.260and in bc and out into ontario and quebec people are growing very tired of this but at the same
01:08:46.740time we've had a covet election here in bc that resulted in the ndp gaining a defining majority
01:08:53.600a definitive victory over the liberals a serious smash and and on and on it goes so as we look
01:08:59.960around the country, I believe there's only been one upset. I believe everything else has stayed
01:09:05.220the same. So the government currently in charge has stayed. The upset, I believe, was Newfoundland,
01:09:10.760was it not, by one or two seats? Well, I think historically the trend is for people to seek
01:09:17.500stability in times of instability. And so there is often a resistance to change government. And
01:09:24.320there's a whole bunch of things going on that people are concerned about. I get that. But I
01:09:29.600think there's also a concern that this is not being operated in a very good manner for the
01:09:36.200country or the people in it. There's a lot of anger out there. There's a lot of people who are
01:09:40.720starting to engage in large protests. You're seeing significant numbers of people who are
01:09:47.420getting fed up with this and saying they're mad as hell and they're not going to take it anymore.
01:09:51.360And I think that that is going to not get smaller. That's growing and it's growing every day.
01:09:58.280And I mean, we look, I, you know, I'm coming from the firearms point of view, we're seeing a legislative agenda in which they basically are saying that, you know, it's not okay to own guns, period, full stop, regardless of why you have them.
01:10:11.800We're seeing attacks on hunting activities in British Columbia and in other areas of the country.
01:10:17.260We're seeing attacks on firearms owners generally.
01:10:20.360People are saying, well, you know, hunting rifles, all that are okay, but not these so-called scary modern sporting rifles.
01:10:27.180Well, hang on a second here. This is about all of that. And you can rest assured that if they're
01:10:32.900after you're hunting, they're after you're hunting rifles and shotguns as well. And an awful lot of
01:10:39.280people who own firearms don't hunt with them. They use them for sporting purposes, which include
01:10:44.040competitive shooting, recreation, collecting, reenactment, and so on. And I know many who don't
01:10:49.620hunt at all. So it's not just about that aspect of things. So there's an awful lot going on,
01:11:22.820it's not historically it sure doesn't well let's talk about that a little bit the issue
01:11:30.000the issue seems to be and it was actually brought up by nadine in the last segment here
01:11:33.780that honestly there seems to be a lack of education around these issues a lack of knowledge around
01:11:39.480these issues lack of facts a lot of fake news uh from from the opposite side the side that always
01:11:44.860accuses the other of fake news it's actually mostly coming from them and so on this issue as
01:11:49.700as someone who is a historian and somebody who teaches history for a living, what do you find?
01:11:54.740Are people very well informed about what happened before and why things happened and why they might
01:11:59.580happen again? Well, I think when you're close to the fire, your perspective is different than when
01:12:04.300you look back at things with hindsight and knowing what the outcomes are. And I think the thing about
01:12:11.320asking a historian a question like that is we're not very good at predicting the past. So, you know,
01:12:15.580our crystal ball is not so good for predicting the future however when you look at pandemics
01:12:20.860historically they tend to go about three to five years sometimes as long as about 14.
01:12:25.980they are big events and this is not the 1918 to 1922 global pandemic pandemic that killed 50
01:12:36.460million people this is clearly not that i mean we're seeing nowhere near the fluctuation of
01:12:43.660numbers or change and i think at the start of this there was some cause for for legitimate concern
01:12:48.300but that maybe figuring how to dial that back hasn't been going so well
01:12:55.500maybe maybe there's some of them that seem to like the the power this has given them i mean
01:13:00.060that's with respect to government power it is there a way to curtail it is there a way to kind
01:13:09.020of uh push back against it i suppose some of these processes that are being organized and
01:13:13.340people are standing up i mean even the platform that we're on right now there's been some very
01:13:17.260clear lines drawn and some clear things set at the same time uh obviously the governments are
01:13:23.340still holding sway and i don't know how many of them have been backed down and backed into their
01:13:28.140corner and told to stay where they belong and to stay out of people's lives and to stop stop
01:13:32.300regulating them at this micro level is there going to be a change in that are people finally going to
01:13:37.980get fed up and tell tell the government that's it we're just not going to comply anymore well
01:13:43.340I think until you have mass movements that say no, it's going to be a problem.
01:13:49.300I mean, we're living in a society right now where professional associations, medical professional associations were given letters by provincial governments and their health authorities telling them how they were going to be speaking and talking and what to say and what not to say about the whole pandemic thing.
01:14:06.020They were given very clear directions, coupled with a threat of potential loss
01:14:10.580of revenue, licensing, hospital visiting privileges and so on.
01:26:12.900Well, you know, those arguments were made in 1867, 1868, and so on, and for a few years after.
01:26:21.280Nova Scotia and the Atlantic provinces were starting to realize maybe they bought into something that was going to be dominated by central Canada, and it has been ever since, really.
01:26:34.700It shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.
01:26:36.220I think the issue is that there has been an unwillingness to be flexible about shifting demographics in Canada to deal with the realities of the way the country is now.
01:26:50.640And of course, the country's demographics are shifting.
01:26:54.420One of the things that might happen during COVID, actually, just as we've seen in the United States, there's been a big shift in demographics down there.
01:27:01.060So people are fleeing. It's funny. We have we have new slave and free states in the United States.
01:27:06.780We have harsh mandate states and free states.
01:27:09.980So the states that have had the harshest mandates that have made the least amount of sense and still have record deaths.
01:27:16.080People from there who are able have have fled.
01:27:19.240They have left the state. Florida is filling up.
01:27:22.220So South Dakota, so are a few other states throughout throughout the middle and southern United States,
01:27:28.700because there the restrictions have always been less harsh
01:27:32.400and people are just tired of it where they are.
01:27:34.920Do you think something similar might happen in Canada
01:42:28.960I mean, I was on a major conference a week or two ago, which was all done by Zoom internationally.
01:42:38.040and wow you know it wouldn't happen and and the participation was up from what it would normally
01:42:44.620be but the problem is you don't go and have the the the group small group breakouts and discussions
01:42:52.620and get to know people on a personal level you just don't you don't have that it's just this
01:43:00.060two-dimensional talking head on the screen and it's just not good enough we're a social animal
01:43:06.420that's what people are we we we crave human companionship that way you don't have it you
01:43:14.180just don't perform at the same level and this is why you're going to see things like suicide rates
01:43:18.100go up you're going to have depression uh people wondering what it's all for what kind of a world
01:43:23.860do we live in you know wow wow what you know poor me all of this all of these things are a dangerous
01:43:31.860uh side effect of the the way in which this entire situation is being dealt
01:43:39.940and and speaking of which you know my father of course whom whom he grew up with as a psychiatrist
01:43:46.580he is uh he has really seen the uptick in suicide rates uh and admissions uh to an astronomical
01:43:54.660degree something he's never seen before even in some of the worst economic downturns that he's
01:43:58.900been a doctor in and and had to help people through obviously economic downturns always
01:44:03.220cause mental health issues particularly suicide attempts uh and and of course drug use causes
01:44:09.460suicide attempts there's all sorts of things but in the last 15 months this has gone through
01:44:14.020the roof uh and and he's really noticed it so obviously what we're doing is is it's it's it's
01:44:21.060it's it appears to be more dangerous when you look at both the opiate deaths from overdose
01:44:25.860and then the suicide attempts it appears to be more dangerous and i think people are becoming
01:44:31.220less accommodating as well i mean you're you're you're seeing more snapping uh about things and
01:44:38.020you know the whole you know the spacing issues all of this following the rules you have people
01:44:43.060who are resistant to rules versus people who have who you know haven't met a rule they didn't love
01:44:49.140and you're seeing this great split and it's actually interesting because it's some in some
01:44:53.940cases it's crossing political lines yeah i i find that to be really quite a an interesting effect
01:45:01.700it's it is the great winnowing fork i know i know i'm always full of biblical allusions uh much to
01:45:06.580your chagrin uh but it's uh it really is though it has been a great the great divider uh and an
01:45:13.620incredible in an incredible way uh i've referenced this before on the show and i got to write about
01:45:18.660it at my old gig at the paper here in town and and but that point of being up north in a small
01:45:25.460community which was kind of the last place to have to deal with covet they had no infections while i
01:45:31.060was there um none uh three or four months later when i wrote that column uh and and so they'd never
01:45:37.700had it in the flesh they'd never had covet in the flesh but the fear got to them to the point where
01:45:43.140We had a summer. We had the last summer without COVID. There was no masks at bars. We enjoyed ourselves. We just had a nice time. There was no need for masks. And then the mask mandates finally came down and people were accosting each other in the grocery store. If there's only one grocery store, you're going to see your neighbor there.
01:45:59.780And just that people who lived together for 30 years, 40 years, 50 years, people who knew their neighbors for their whole lives, political differences aside, race aside, religion aside, COVID.
01:46:12.760COVID was the thing that finally broke them.0.79
01:46:15.100Well, look at the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, right?0.71
01:46:17.880People who lived together as neighbors for decades all of a sudden turned on each other.
01:50:08.100Some people are still talking like there'll be a call in June.
01:50:11.160uh and then that that could well happen there's still time but i if it was going to happen i would
01:50:18.560have thought it would have happened over the budget and it didn't so my sense is when you
01:50:23.200start to see easing up of lockdowns in ontario or quebec and so on then you're going to see
01:50:28.440much more interest in having an election i mean these this is a government here which is
01:50:35.360is an ineptocracy they they they've clearly failed at almost everything they've tried to do
01:50:41.560They are guiding the country along in a path that I don't like very much.
01:50:45.040And I think there's lots of other people out there who don't like the path we're going on.
01:50:48.020But they have popular support from a broad swath of people who tend to be enamored of their leader and of the relative safety and security, which they are sensing or getting.
01:51:04.060And I think they're misplaced and they're wrong, but that's politics.
01:51:09.460So what's going to happen? I don't know.
01:51:10.940we'll see but i know that i'm going to try very hard to make sure that what's there now isn't
01:51:16.220there after it not fair enough i believe i believe the old phrase was trust in god and keep your
01:51:22.220powder dry it's yeah keep your powder dry absolutely and never ever give up your guns
01:51:30.460never compromise on your freedoms and just stay true to your principles have principles and stick
01:51:36.380to them don't don't feel you can just toss people under the bus and and and move along i mean that
01:51:42.460it's it's it's all about principle it's about ideology it's about uh rights and freedoms and
01:51:49.120doing the best thing yep the best that we can well we've been speaking to sheldon claire president
01:51:56.120of the national firearms association we're so thankful to have him on today good friend of the
01:52:00.200show good friend of mine uh we'll bring him back on in the not so distant future but thank you for
01:52:04.960being here shal my pleasure nathan it's always good to be here thank you thank you so much well
01:52:11.280uh that is the show we have for today i guess if i have any closing thoughts it's interesting how
01:52:16.960many times uh things just kind of kept looping around to that fundamental question of of
01:52:22.000representation uh freedom and and having having our democracy back having our government back
01:52:27.920having having everything back and so i think that maybe one of the things we can kind of dwell on
01:52:34.560here as a final conclusion is how are we going to take that back what kind of message are we
01:52:39.920going to send how are we going to start not complying in the little ways that begin to build
01:52:45.600up to the big ways that eventually just sends the message loud and clear that this isn't happening
01:52:50.160anymore we're not going to take it anymore we're not going to take it you know we're not going to
01:52:53.680take it no we're not going to take it anymore funnily enough of course that was uh twisted
01:52:59.680sister back in i believe that was the 80s it was the early 90s we all remember this congressional
01:53:04.320hearings and the fact the ACLU had to get involved, right? You know, try and explain why censorship
01:53:09.480was bad and everything else. Here we are 30 years later and people on the left are the ones doing
01:53:13.940the censorship and it's the people on the right that are trying to do, that are trying to do
01:53:17.680something different. I think that that's where we kind of have to ground our hope in a brighter
01:53:25.780future is that people are getting tired of it. People don't want to take this anymore. They want
01:53:30.780a change. They want things to improve. And if enough of us do that at once, if enough of us
01:53:36.420simply will not comply, will not obey, will begin living life as it was before the pandemic,
01:53:42.920taking whatever cautions we have to, but being honest with ourselves that we know that this
01:53:47.740isn't working. We know this is a fraud and we all need to just move on and chill out.
01:53:52.900I think that there's a way forward there. I really do. So this has been Mountain Standard Time. I'm
01:53:58.680very thankful for uh your attendance during this uh this period uh we'll throw up the email just
01:54:03.960quickly as just a final reminder that uh you know we always want people to be brought on we want
01:54:09.980your suggestions we want your comments your questions your concerns and and your encouragements
01:54:15.180too uh you know it's sometimes sometimes it can be a bit a bit lonely in front of this camera and
01:54:21.800stuff like that and you just gotta you just gotta keep rolling and try and figuring out what what
01:54:25.760the next step is. Who am I going to call as my next