Western Standard - Western Standard Time - May 11, 2021

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Thank you.

00:01:00.000 Hello, and welcome to Mountain Standard Time.

00:01:12.280 I'm, of course, your host, Nathan Gita.

00:01:14.520 And today we'll be talking with two different guests.

00:01:17.380 A little bit later today, that is to say about 10.30 Mountain, 9.30 Pacific,

00:01:22.040 we'll have Nadine Wellwood come on, an independent journalist from Alberta

00:01:25.220 who has been at a few of the lockdown protests,

00:01:28.000 and she can tell us what that's all about.

00:01:30.000 And then in the second half of the show, I'll be joined by Sheldon Clare, president of the National Firearms Association.

00:01:35.340 Remember to like the Western Standard on Facebook to be notified when we go live and subscribe to support our content.

00:01:41.240 Unlike the CBC, we don't get a billion dollar check from the liberals every year to propagandize you.

00:01:46.740 I'm getting tired of talking about the lockdowns, to be honest with you.

00:01:50.400 Vaccines, reopenings and provincial health officers.

00:01:52.940 But the truth is they keep making it an issue.

00:01:55.440 So we in the media have to keep talking about it.

00:01:57.940 In all honesty, if they declared the pandemic over tomorrow and rescinded all restrictions, if they didn't even acknowledge their incompetence or say sorry, I'd probably forgive them for just having my freedoms back.

00:02:10.280 But they won't.

00:02:11.780 And they can't.

00:02:13.580 They are in too deep with the world watching, commenting on what they do, paying little to no heed to the needs of their citizens, crying for help.

00:02:22.620 Government policy is always a hostage situation.

00:02:24.700 This is very important that everybody take note of that.

00:02:26.820 it is always a hostage situation.

00:02:28.980 Always. And they have all the hostages.

00:02:31.340 If you want to negotiate with them,

00:02:33.000 you must give them a better hostage than the one

00:02:34.760 they already have in their grip. At the

00:02:36.740 moment, we are all hostages

00:02:38.660 without leverage. I'd argue

00:02:40.680 that the government itself

00:02:42.520 is holding itself to

00:02:44.740 ransom as well, or at least certain parts of it.

00:02:47.020 In a way, COVID is this beautiful

00:02:48.620 tragicomedy that finally reveals

00:02:50.920 just how not in

00:02:52.780 control our elected officials are.

00:02:55.420 The real premiers,

00:02:56.360 indeed the absolute monarchs of every province in Canada right now are the provincial health

00:03:01.980 officers, not the elected. And of course, those provincial health officers have armed guards,

00:03:08.520 armed enforcers with uniforms to install their will. I'm not here to play devil's sympathizer.

00:03:16.280 The letter and spirit of the law state unequivocally that if our elected leaders were to take back

00:03:20.900 their role and overrule the bureaucrats, they'd be fully in their rights. And every elected

00:03:26.180 official or civic leader who is failing to do this right now is guilty of a all but unforgivable sin

00:03:32.660 against their office against their vocation but they appear to have literally forgotten their

00:03:38.060 authority we must acknowledge that from the moment victory in europe was declared an anniversary we

00:03:44.400 celebrated actually just a few days ago victory in europe day ve day and even just before the

00:03:49.500 second world war life had become increasingly complicated particularly when it came to

00:03:53.640 government policy. A lot of that had to do with the Great Depression and all the socialized programs

00:03:57.780 we attempted to implement afterwards. I'm not saying all those were bad ideas, just saying

00:04:02.000 they complicated things. Our solution to this complication was to let civil servants, not

00:04:08.020 elected representatives, oversee policies and projects. Indeed, we hoped that by making

00:04:13.560 bureaucrats the main functionaries of the state, there would be less corruption and more transparency.

00:04:19.460 For that matter, we believed budgets would be kept

00:04:21.820 and the state would hum along far smoother

00:04:23.880 than any politician could run it.

00:04:25.860 We fundamentally said only the disinterested,

00:04:29.160 unelected, apolitical apparatchik can be trusted.

00:04:33.180 We truly believed this.

00:04:35.700 COVID has proven that even the cat,

00:04:37.580 well, the cats, it looks like cats,

00:04:39.800 but it's actually crats, short for bureaucrats.

00:04:42.220 It's something we used to use in politics all the time.

00:04:44.360 I'll try that again.

00:04:45.140 COVID has proven that even the crats

00:04:47.500 can't be trusted entirely as if there wasn't ample proof of this elsewhere and that's well

00:04:54.060 at some point the people's voice must be heard the problem is that so much of our respect and

00:05:00.660 and our respective democracy as well as our representative democracy has been outsourced

00:05:05.040 from actual voting members that we don't have much of a say at this point and to reverse this trend

00:05:10.700 a severe amount of major

00:05:13.180 civic reform would be necessary

00:05:15.280 we'd have to take back

00:05:17.120 an awful lot of power

00:05:18.840 hopefully we forget that before

00:05:21.040 we're too late

00:05:21.620 and I don't personally want to be

00:05:25.020 a serf in Bonnie Henry's

00:05:26.880 czardom

00:05:27.600 in her little fiefdom

00:05:30.280 I don't want czar Henry to be my

00:05:32.860 overlord forever but we're stuck

00:05:34.980 with it for now, we're stuck with it

00:05:36.800 so here we are

00:05:39.200 you know

00:05:39.980 we're well over a year into the pandemic uh we have of course plenty of plenty of vaccines out

00:05:50.400 there and whatever else whatever you might feel about the vaccines whatever that rollout's been

00:05:54.060 terrible as well but the point is that between people getting infected and recovering as well

00:05:59.440 as the vaccines we should be reaching herd immunity pretty quick here and yet there is no sign

00:06:05.060 that things are going to improve so i've been i've told you a couple of times on this program

00:06:11.400 that you know i have you know a dear beloved in my life uh we're planning on on getting married

00:06:16.260 and as we kind of plan for that even though it's a little ways into the future i won't give an

00:06:21.020 exact time but it's a little ways into the future we still have no like we hold no hope for the idea

00:06:27.360 that there's going to be uh people in that church other than us and those very immediate family

00:06:32.760 members and the and the efficient there's no there's there i don't hold out any hope for that

00:06:39.960 because we live in this time in british columbia where people are where the restrictions just don't

00:06:45.880 make sense now if we were to try and get married at costco i mean we could have everybody in there

00:06:49.960 but we can't do that at church for some reason i don't know why and uh i guess what i'm trying to

00:06:56.440 cue in on here is that we just hold out no hope we've gotten so used to the reality of what we're

00:07:03.520 living in right now is that we just we hold out no hope um for for that change we of course i hope

00:07:10.080 someday our freedoms are returned or i guess we rise up and just take them back or just start

00:07:14.280 living normally again i'm not really interested in some kind of violent revolution necessarily i

00:07:18.460 know violence is never the answer but if we were to just all start living normally again tomorrow

00:07:23.440 I don't know if they could stop us

00:07:24.860 I don't think they could

00:07:25.800 but

00:07:28.080 I think fundamentally

00:07:30.640 fundamentally

00:07:34.000 as

00:07:36.320 literally as I participate in this whole

00:07:38.860 planning exercise

00:07:40.080 of trying to celebrate

00:07:42.720 and trying to have a sacrament together

00:07:44.500 and trying to gather people together

00:07:46.520 and whatever else

00:07:47.180 and in the sense of

00:07:48.880 just trying to actually do this thing

00:07:51.680 this this thing that you're supposed to do in life i just hold out no hope that somehow the

00:07:57.140 restrictions are going to be better than i've had to try and tell people that over and over again

00:08:01.020 it's been a hard thing to say to people but that's how it is we're going to talk a little bit today

00:08:06.400 as we kind of wait on our first guest uh we're going to talk a little bit about a few different

00:08:10.720 things that are happening here so um we're going to bring up one of our friendly competitors that's

00:08:16.220 the rebel and

00:08:18.340 we are going to look into

00:08:20.500 the fact that apparently

00:08:22.420 they're going to accept ballots

00:08:24.700 after election day

00:08:26.080 in the upcoming federal election

00:08:28.580 I remember when I first

00:08:30.700 heard about this I asked a friend of mine about

00:08:32.620 actually Sean Olick he's been on this show before

00:08:35.000 and Sean

00:08:36.320 made the

00:08:38.780 point he was saying this to

00:08:40.700 somebody I think one of the

00:08:42.380 one of the elected

00:08:44.440 representatives who was commenting on this he said this to him he said well you'd better fight that

00:08:48.820 tooth and nail or else you'll never win another election again and i don't know i don't know how

00:08:53.840 much i want to play into the question of voting fraud i think that i think that elections canada

00:08:58.240 does a stand-up job in a lot of ways we all know that vote buying does go on in certain parts of

00:09:03.360 the country uh particularly in some of the northern parts of the prairie provinces there's no nice way

00:09:08.700 of saying it i know for a fact that that happens and in some of those places and and and the

00:09:14.480 evidence is there people want to look for it but that's more direct vote buying like somebody like

00:09:19.720 voting uh in their community because they're the leader of their community said they'd give

00:09:24.720 them 50 bucks or whatever to vote the right way but here's here we are so elections canada

00:09:29.600 uh is preparing to accept count to accept count mail-in ballots received after election day so

00:09:36.240 So as we kind of scroll down here, Elections Canada officials are preparing to accept mailed-in ballots a day after polls close should an election be held in 2021.

00:09:44.560 Speaking in the House of Commons and shared by the Black Locks reporter, Serve MP Marilyn Gladue said with regard to counting ballots, the polls are closed.

00:09:53.820 Many returning hours told her that the mail ballots would be accepted after polls close on a Monday election.

00:09:58.640 They think they will count them if they show up by Tuesday, Gladue said.

00:10:03.120 Under the current rules outlined in the Canada Elections Act, a vote must be received by the close of polling to be counted.

00:10:10.100 The Liberals, however, are angling to modify the Act through Bill C-19, an act to amend the Canada Elections Act,

00:10:17.260 which would grant permission for returning officers to count ballots after polls are closed.

00:10:22.320 While just over 50,000, about 50,000 mail-in ballots were counted for the 2019 election,

00:10:27.740 generally from those in military or Canadian citizens living in other countries,

00:10:31.300 Governments are anticipating a massive increase in mail-in voting for a potential 2020 election due to an ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

00:10:38.100 Explaining the necessary to circulate 5 million mail-in ballots, Privy Council President and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Dominic LeBlanc,

00:10:45.200 said in a letter to the House that voting by mail would be a key aspect of running a fair election during the pandemic,

00:10:52.760 while pointing to the ongoing uncertainty surrounding the pandemic and the myriad ways it could unexpectedly affect the rights of electors to vote.

00:11:00.820 safety safely sorry well that was a lot let's break that down a little bit uh headline is

00:11:07.660 they're going to take in ballots uh after the election is over um that is that's a problem

00:11:19.600 uh i mean we kind of have this thing in bc somewhat but it isn't that they're received later

00:11:24.460 they get counted later so in bc we have this interesting law where you can vote anywhere

00:11:30.520 you do not need to vote in your district

00:11:32.760 you can vote anywhere

00:11:34.120 and that vote will be counted and added to

00:11:36.620 the tally of the district you belong to

00:11:38.400 but you can do this at any

00:11:40.620 polling place I'm just going to double check with my

00:11:42.540 producer on this question that's

00:11:44.320 a reality isn't it

00:11:45.580 yeah you can go to any

00:11:47.840 elections BC office and

00:11:50.460 any polling site and get your ballot

00:11:52.640 filled out and this is where things do get

00:11:54.660 a little bit not silly in BC

00:11:56.340 but I mean on election night

00:11:57.940 if there's a clear majority there's a clear majority right and if there's not enough ballots

00:12:02.580 like because they'll tell you how many ballots are still uncounted so if you know the difference

00:12:06.740 right if you know the uncounted ballots can't sway the election even if all 100 percent of them were

00:12:11.000 going to the other candidate then you know what you're up against right so that's over right that's

00:12:15.120 done um i think i think that what we need to understand is that if elections canada is really

00:12:24.060 going down this road we're into dangerous territory not because we need even a decisive

00:12:29.120 decision on a on a monday night necessarily i i mean i i don't really appreciate the fact that

00:12:34.900 the results are decided by the time we get to toronto uh and then the west just kind of has

00:12:40.240 to couple on later i think there's some ways to reform that issue um and we should think about

00:12:45.260 that but but the bigger question is what when is a of a ballot valid when is a ballot valid

00:12:52.820 because because one of the things about time one of the things about time the idea that minutes and

00:12:59.200 seconds occur and that we live in time and we're not capable of going back in time except through

00:13:04.180 our memories i know that's some kind of deep philosophical stuff there but bear with me here

00:13:07.900 for a second is is that for example if a 12 year old right if a 12 year old starts driving a car

00:13:13.940 and a cop pulls him over and says you can't drive that car and the 12 year old says well i'm going

00:13:18.340 to get my license you're going to receive my license the application for my license in four

00:13:21.960 years or if you want to get really you want to get into the more of a hairline sort of example it's

00:13:26.120 like somebody who's 15 years old and someone like myself who was 15 years old on december 31st of

00:13:34.220 2005 right at 11 59 if i started driving at 11 59 i was i was doing something illegal and then at

00:13:43.500 midnight when i turned 16 let's just pretend that somehow magically the license would appear when i

00:13:47.780 at least i'd be the correct age i wasn't i didn't have my license yet but because it's a stat

00:13:52.100 holiday let's all recall but let's just pretend for a moment i did at least i'd be the right age

00:13:56.420 but there isn't an illegality by that one half second right by the half second between 11 59 59

00:14:02.660 and the milliseconds left and the uh upcoming the upcoming year for me who happens to be a new year's

00:14:10.420 you know baby i that that is an illegal act and we all know that and we all understand that and

00:14:16.020 And that's not a question.

00:14:17.880 So how is this any different that a ballot is being received after the polls close?

00:14:21.900 When the polls close, the polls close.

00:14:24.600 Right.

00:14:25.000 If you don't show up to a government office in time to get in the door, when they lock

00:14:28.240 that door, they do not open it up again.

00:14:29.880 They don't they don't make exceptions for you.

00:14:31.560 It's like, no, like those bureaucrats are going home at four.

00:14:34.560 Right.

00:14:34.700 They're going home for four thirty.

00:14:36.400 Like the door is shut and locked.

00:14:39.060 You line up outside your civil servant office with like lining up with whatever papers you're

00:14:44.960 going to go into and literally you hear the digital lock click right at least if you're in a big enough

00:14:50.020 center that has those sorts of things but it just in like when i go down to the bc office or the

00:14:54.760 government of canada office and i want to be the first guy in line well i got to get there early

00:14:58.320 and then i sit there and i wait and i literally hear the door click open like the electronic lock

00:15:04.620 switches at you know eight o'clock on the dot or 8 30 on the dot whatever it is we all understand

00:15:10.380 that. You can't force the door at 11, you know, at 1159 or at, sorry, at, you know, 829 in the

00:15:17.140 morning. And you can't force, you can't force the idea of having your license when you don't have

00:15:22.700 your license, even if you are the proper age. And so I think that something that needs to be noted

00:15:27.060 here is that if you can receive a ballot after the polls close, that's nonsense. I think that

00:15:33.120 also after what we saw in the American election, where there was a lot of spurious activity around

00:15:38.160 boating and we didn't know who had registered and who had done what we were talking about this with

00:15:44.280 the census the other day like i mean we have a census form here neither of us have uh neither

00:15:50.020 of us who live here because we're just renting here for a short time we we don't have this place

00:15:53.740 as our as our residence like we're not like we may reside here but this is not technically speaking

00:15:58.780 what's on our driver's licenses and so the question then becomes very quickly well what's

00:16:03.720 what should be on your driver's license or what should be like are we supposed to fill out the

00:16:08.160 census or not yes this is one more door that goes into a residence i guess that's why the census is

00:16:13.320 on it you can just you you can you can do that but but why why are you posting a census somewhere

00:16:19.500 where someone doesn't live and i mentioned that um that are you know my my my beloved's aunt's

00:16:25.800 place again property it's a recreational property it's not it's not a place people live they only

00:16:31.860 go there to to go on summer holidays but there was a census there too so that's a lot of printed

00:16:38.100 paper for nothing and it's the same thing with the ballot question how are we going to know that

00:16:42.720 these people are who they are who's going to check how are you going to present the information that

00:16:48.300 proves you are who you are i think that's i think that's something that needs to be talked about

00:16:52.540 we'll keep uh trashing the liberals here we're going to pivot over again to uh what's happening

00:16:57.820 in the news apparently the liberals are what are they doing they're they're i think they're

00:17:03.640 getting after uh bill with bill c10 they're going to try and censor the internet

00:17:08.640 and uh and i mean i might end up being censored by them i mean getting canceled i never thought

00:17:15.320 i'd get canceled by a government i never thought i would be that important but i guess that's who

00:17:19.040 i'm going to get canceled by when this bill passes um we have uh we have something here

00:17:27.260 from the NatPo.

00:17:29.740 We'll take

00:17:30.600 the news first and the commentary second.

00:17:33.340 So for the news, we have

00:17:34.840 that Bill C-10

00:17:37.180 is

00:17:38.700 happening, according to the

00:17:41.380 liberals.

00:17:43.940 Doesn't address free speech

00:17:45.360 concerns, says an expert.

00:17:47.080 The amendment doesn't come close to their

00:17:49.340 promise on Monday to make it clear the

00:17:51.280 content Canadians upload to social media

00:17:53.080 isn't considered problematic

00:17:55.400 or hateful

00:17:57.400 or whatever. Liberal government has

00:17:59.220 proposed new limits on how the CRTC

00:18:01.220 can regulate social media posts under Bill

00:18:03.300 C-10, which would still give the

00:18:05.320 broadcast regulators some oversight over what

00:18:07.320 content Canadians see on digital platforms.

00:18:09.400 The amendment proposed at the Heritage Committee

00:18:11.380 meeting Thursday evening would

00:18:13.420 allow the CRTC to issue

00:18:15.500 orders relating to discoverability,

00:18:17.360 the ability to force social media plans to

00:18:19.340 promote Canadian content to users.

00:18:22.160 Parliamentary Secretary

00:18:23.020 Julie Dabru's

00:18:25.380 who introduced the bill

00:18:28.120 told reporters Friday that

00:18:29.560 would mean the CRTC

00:18:31.060 could make platform

00:18:33.840 suggest content created by Canadians

00:18:35.900 to viewers listeners

00:18:36.560 so basically they're going to try

00:18:40.000 and do the CanCon thing they do with our radio

00:18:42.020 and that sort of thing, they're going to try and do that

00:18:43.680 online

00:18:45.780 and it's like okay, fine

00:18:48.060 like in a

00:18:50.160 sense, I'm not okay with any kind of

00:18:52.140 putting your thumb on the scale in Canada

00:18:54.180 when it comes to content or whatever

00:18:56.200 I don't think something that has a maple leaf should just

00:18:58.160 get more promotion just because it has a maple leaf

00:19:00.020 at the same time maybe you should

00:19:01.460 oh this is actually an interesting question

00:19:04.400 should you protect your domestic

00:19:05.900 film industry

00:19:07.400 or like have tariffs on others or like

00:19:10.260 have subsidies for your own so that you can

00:19:12.240 keep it going this is a good question

00:19:13.640 we'll leave that to the comments what do you guys think we should do

00:19:16.140 with our domestic film industry I'd be interested

00:19:18.240 to know

00:19:18.660 Zweibel

00:19:22.300 said if discoverability requirements

00:19:24.260 change, that things

00:19:26.440 will go wrong. She noted that

00:19:28.180 platforms already decide what content to suggest

00:19:30.240 to users, but to have a government

00:19:32.260 telling them what that's supposed to look like is a

00:19:34.220 lack of freedom of expression. 0.92

00:19:36.180 She added to this here, she sees order-making power

00:19:38.100 would allow the regulator to, for example, ask that

00:19:40.180 social media services showcase Canadian errors or increase

00:19:42.340 the problems of Canadian errors. Search results

00:19:43.920 can access their post. 0.75

00:19:46.440 I think it's all kind of nonsense.

00:19:48.380 So let's back up a moment here

00:19:50.420 and let's think a moment about what the CRTC does right now, CRTC does right now.

00:19:55.720 So case in point, local radio show that I help with, I had a brand new panelist.

00:20:05.040 He didn't really know what the protocol was, and he dropped the F-bomb on live radio,

00:20:11.360 live boomer radio, mind you.

00:20:13.020 So it's not like it was even like university radio.

00:20:15.340 It was like something older people listen to.

00:20:17.200 And you could assume that older people, while they all know what the F word is, probably appreciate it less than us younger people do.

00:20:23.020 Not that anybody should be swearing.

00:20:24.960 But the point is that he said that.

00:20:27.840 And I mean, in America, maybe we would have gotten some nasty letters and even somebody who actually did threaten to call the FCC and sue us or whatever.

00:20:34.640 And maybe the FCC would have been eventually notified and gotten back to us.

00:20:37.400 I have no idea if anyone's ever going to call the CRTC.

00:20:40.400 And even if they did, the CRTC is going to call the producer of that radio show, who is also like the main player there.

00:20:46.660 and say, look, we heard this happened.

00:20:49.140 Don't let it happen again. Goodbye.

00:20:51.020 And they're going to hang up the phone.

00:20:53.860 That's also because there's only so many community radio stations in Canada

00:20:57.680 and so many radio stations in Canada and so many TV stations in Canada.

00:21:01.460 So can you imagine trying to do that same kind of regulation?

00:21:05.760 Now, again, not just with swearing, but I mean with something actually controversial.

00:21:10.560 could you imagine attempting to regulate that with with like little bureaucrats sitting in

00:21:17.160 front of their computers trying to make sure that everything on social media is good how many how

00:21:21.880 many people would you need to regulate that like that's a lot of people how many people are you

00:21:25.700 willing to pay to make sure that nobody's ranting and raving on facebook and spreading fake news

00:21:30.440 according to you and that's the thing too how do you know what fake news is or not so this is an

00:21:35.220 interesting is an interesting aspect like when you when you were let's pretend let's and not

00:21:41.180 like I'm using a real life example here or anything but let's pretend for a moment that

00:21:44.500 you knew somebody who was you know involved with the CRA and they had they had experience in what

00:21:51.500 the CRA needs to do in order to make sure that for example your identity hasn't been stole yeah not

00:21:57.420 a real life example at all anyways the point is that this person right has been trained and what

00:22:03.020 are they trained to do well they're trained to look at your tax return and see whether or not

00:22:07.080 your deposit information recently changed right to see whether or not your addresses match up to

00:22:12.040 see whether or not there's been consistency of work or like the kind of work you've been doing

00:22:15.280 before these are all pieces of figuring out whether or not you're a real person

00:22:20.860 like whether like whether or not you've been or you've had your identity stolen right so somebody's

00:22:27.720 faking being you this is this is just like it's basic one-on-one stuff right it's just like if a

00:22:32.280 kid was lying to you right about taking something out of the cookie drawer a student was lying to

00:22:35.680 you about cheating on tests or your buddy was lying to you about about you know crashing your

00:22:39.400 car causing damage to your property like you would just do some basic due diligence to kind

00:22:44.100 of think through that problem okay something has gone wrong or something looks like it might have

00:22:47.600 gone wrong i'm going to work through this question was the same thing with with this with this issue

00:22:51.820 with when it comes to uh censorship how how could a bunch of bureaucrats and like they might even be

00:22:59.000 nice people but like honestly do you want someone to sit at a desk all day and look through facebook

00:23:03.640 to make sure that facebook is being kind or nice or whatever and nobody on facebook is doing anything

00:23:08.700 crazy i i don't who who could you pay for that and how many people would it take to look into

00:23:15.020 stuff like that i guess it could be a reporting model but then that's exactly the problem as we

00:23:19.640 go into this other other point that was made in the napo uh commentator by jameel giovanni

00:23:25.420 uh giovanni uh you know people really like for example they like actually pretty raunchy podcasts

00:23:31.940 nowadays they like you know there's some pretty straight shooters out there in the alternative

00:23:35.680 media world technically speaking i'm i'm one of those people to a point uh we don't get super

00:23:40.880 raunchy on this show i can get quite excited a little upset and i can be i can use some pretty

00:23:45.480 strong moral language but i don't really drop f-bombs or anything on on this show and that's

00:23:50.140 That's important. But Jamil Giovanni makes the point that Trudeau's censorship agenda could target Joe Rogan.

00:23:58.640 And of course, he's using the Joe Rogan reference because Joe Rogan is the is the biggest name in the world of what what I'm doing right now.

00:24:05.800 Right. There's Joe Rogan. There's Steven Crowder. Ben Shapiro. Ted Cruz has got his own thing.

00:24:13.720 They're mostly conservatives or libertarians, which is kind of interesting.

00:24:16.360 There's not a lot of leftists out there doing it, except for that, not Richard Branson.

00:24:20.840 That's the guy who runs Virgin.

00:24:22.580 Who's that other guy, English guy that's in Forgetting Sarah Marshall?

00:24:25.980 Can't remember.

00:24:26.740 Anyways, the point is, there's a bunch of people on the left as well.

00:24:28.840 There are some hot takes from the left.

00:24:30.180 There's a lot of hot takes from the right or from the libertarian side.

00:24:32.960 And the point is that, you know, Canada's heritage minister, Stephen Gibble, has not

00:24:37.800 been shy about admitting he wants to regulate what we say on social media.

00:24:41.980 And Bill C-10 is just the first step and would mean the government approved content

00:24:45.260 would be privileged over the videos, podcasts, and

00:24:47.260 posts we actually want to see. So we're

00:24:49.260 going to roll down a little bit to where

00:24:50.960 the

00:24:52.760 point is made about

00:24:54.480 yeah, to that pro-life

00:24:57.520 point. So last week we saw a preview of how

00:24:59.360 the Liberals would weaponize this power

00:25:00.940 when Gibault was pressed by Lethbridge

00:25:03.360 MP Rachel Harder to answer questions

00:25:05.280 about the constitutionality of BLC

00:25:07.560 10. Gibault responded by

00:25:09.360 trying to distract the Canadian people with an irrelevant

00:25:11.340 debate about abortion. Given the opportunity,

00:25:13.220 Gibal said Harder would not hesitate one moment to remove a woman's right to choose a right

00:25:18.880 protected under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms but would like us would like us and Canadians to

00:25:24.520 believe she cares deeply about the Charter so might pro-life political opinions a favorite

00:25:28.040 target of the Trudeau liberals be censored on social media if Gibal has his way the minister

00:25:33.940 is willing to use the abortion debate to divide and conquer Canadians on matters of free speech

00:25:37.720 and we can expect that they may use similar tactics in the future to manipulate the internet

00:25:42.940 in their favor that the point that i'm trying to draw here is that uh well it's kind of simple

00:25:49.760 really i mean ultimately and and the point that's being drawn by this author

00:25:53.360 we can't

00:25:56.940 the internet's too big is basically the point the internet's too big how how could you have

00:26:05.400 everybody watching it all the time you just can't it's not it's not possible there it is alan

00:26:09.680 pamburg got it yeah russell brand that's right that was what it was that's why i got it wrong

00:26:13.600 with richard branson that's because it's because there's some similar stuff going on there um

00:26:18.600 but yeah russell brand the other guy who's on the left who does hot takes from the left and kind of

00:26:24.000 mostly uncensored talks to people talks to actual people from the right and stuff the point is this

00:26:28.580 that that the internet's too big to regulate it's just way too big it's kind of like human life

00:26:34.720 right like the best thing you can do for for humans walking around doing their own thing is

00:26:38.460 teach them to have some morals and ethics and that way they self-regulate because there just

00:26:42.120 aren't enough police on planet earth to take care of all the police and to take care of all the

00:26:46.840 policing that just can't be done so one of the things with this with this censorship thing that's

00:26:51.500 coming out of the liberal government that's extremely dangerous in my opinion is is precisely

00:26:57.040 this there isn't enough hours in the day there aren't enough people in the day to get this done

00:27:02.900 You can't count every single Facebook post.

00:27:07.100 It's just not going to happen.

00:27:08.860 So what you're going to end up having to do is clapping down on, I guess, offenders that you know already, people known to police, known to the Facebook police, right?

00:27:17.160 And now our own regulators.

00:27:18.780 So another layer of regulation, because Facebook already has Facebook police and Facebook jail.

00:27:23.540 So I guess we have another now government funded Facebook police and Facebook jail.

00:27:27.460 why we're working so closely with a

00:27:30.320 multinational from another country

00:27:32.040 that's one of the largest companies in the

00:27:34.340 world. It's all about

00:27:36.280 private equity and helping shareholders.

00:27:39.360 That's a for-profit

00:27:40.500 company. Why we're doing their work for them, I don't

00:27:42.440 know. But apparently the government of Canada has

00:27:44.340 decided that they're going to partner with Facebook to

00:27:46.320 be co-Facebook

00:27:48.260 police. Anyways,

00:27:50.140 here's the point.

00:27:52.220 The point is that as we

00:27:54.280 kind of roll, especially into what Nadine

00:27:56.300 is going to be talking about to us in a second here, is that censorship is on the rise. And

00:28:00.460 the danger with that, of course, is that if you don't get to hear all the ideas, even the crazy

00:28:04.380 ones, you don't get to make your own choices. That's life. So the more ideas you have access

00:28:09.520 to at any one time, just like the more information you have access to at any one time, allows you to

00:28:13.780 filter through the information yourself, the ideas yourself, the opinions yourself, and come to your

00:28:17.920 own conclusions. If that's being taken from you, then you're only getting one side of the story.

00:28:23.820 And it's a really good divide and conquer tactic because the fact of the matter is that if you can't have a right wing and left wing columnist in the same paper or we can't have right wing and left wing people on the same TV show, if that just doesn't happen and if only one opinion is prized over another opinion and that opinion is always somehow pro corporate, pro government, pro big spending, pro whatever weird social thing we're doing today when it comes to social progressivism and the next the next bizarre acronym that's being invented for the next bizarre kind of non normative behavior.

00:28:53.820 behavior it this is this is nonsense so the point is that if the liberals are successful

00:28:59.660 in putting this uh in putting this through we're in we're in deep trouble deep deep trouble and

00:29:05.580 we've got to do something about that so we're going to bring nadine on now and we're going to

00:29:09.440 talk to her a little bit about what's happening in alberta uh nadine welcome to the program of

00:29:13.820 course you're an independent journalist in alberta and you are with us at the western standard as

00:29:18.520 well at least getting on with us in time and we are happy to have you here today in order to tell

00:29:24.040 us about what happened with the rodeo and what's happening around Alberta when it comes to lockdown

00:29:27.620 welcome to the program thank you it's a pleasure to be here awesome well what happened where do

00:29:35.000 we start uh do you want the whistle stop or the no more lockdowns um let's start with the rodeo

00:29:42.760 So Mr. Guy Northcott was the event organizer and coordinator for the No More Lockdowns

00:29:49.080 Rodeo just outside of Bowdoin on his own private property.

00:29:53.960 And he just received his summons yesterday to appear in court in Red Deer on May 17th.

00:30:00.560 And he's being charged under the Public Health Act.

00:30:03.640 And of course, there's potentially some pretty hefty fines associated with that.

00:30:07.440 So not only he was served, but his wife and, of course, his company was named as well.

00:30:15.140 So he received three summons, compliments of the RCMP yesterday.

00:30:20.780 Well, beautiful, beautiful.

00:30:25.220 It's a new Canada.

00:30:28.100 I don't really know where I live anymore.

00:30:30.960 I thought I lived in a country where, like, honestly, the RCMP, as bothersome as they could be,

00:30:35.180 couldn't be bothered to come bother me with this sort of stuff but apparently they can so that's

00:30:40.380 that's uh that's a new one that's a new one i would have thought they would have had to get

00:30:43.820 the alberta sheriffs to do it but uh oh well well what's interesting is um and mr john carpe actually

00:30:50.460 touched on this as he was covering some of the events around the whistle stop um the injunction

00:30:57.660 that they actually managed to get to prevent the uh whistle stop protest

00:31:05.500 actually implicates pretty much every albertan that was in attendance that was aware of this

00:31:10.780 every john doe jane doe you know was named in if you just attended you could have been charged and

00:31:18.780 taken away this is you this is abuse of the courts this is not using the the law for what

00:31:26.300 the law was intended this is a perversion of the law and you know frederick bastier actually spoke

00:31:32.620 a lot about you know legal plunder and the abuse of government officials and i can't stress enough

00:31:39.660 that that injunction that was held at uh the whistle stop um and and ordered by the courts now

00:31:48.300 the courts are being used as enforcement instead of the protection of people's rights and freedoms

00:31:56.300 Yeah, treating treating their exercise of their constitutional rights as crimes punishable by by court order. Right. And by by indictment, we must remember, and this is actually good that we're going to have Stuart back on here later this week.

00:32:10.060 For those of us who've been watching for a little while, we've had Stuart Parker on here a few times, a guy way out in left field, nowhere near us on the political spectrum, who I'm speaking to right now and myself.

00:32:21.000 But the reason that I really enjoy having Stuart on here is he helps explain some of these things.

00:32:25.500 And it's good solidarity, because if we're going to have the West be the best, we need to reach across the aisle.

00:32:29.760 But he explains in no uncertain terms how this injunction stuff works.

00:32:32.920 So I'm going to try and rehash it here, but he'll do a better job in two days.

00:32:36.400 So what people need to understand about injunctions is that it's an offense against the sanctity of the court itself.

00:32:42.740 So you haven't trespassed a law.

00:32:45.440 OK, you've not trespassed a law.

00:32:47.500 You have trespassed the court itself, which is to say Her Majesty and all of the power that she's endowed with represented by the judges of our country.

00:32:57.300 And so you can imagine that that could carry some pretty heavy weight.

00:33:00.800 In fact, there are no caps to the sentencing that can come out of a contempt of court charge for trespassing an injunction because you are, again, trespassing the court.

00:33:10.260 And as Stuart pointed out last week, it's actually one of the few offenses you can still be executed for in this country.

00:33:14.880 There's mutiny and contempt of court slash injunctions, trespassing injunctions.

00:33:19.020 So the point being that he noted, just as Nadine was noting here, that he actually had to represent to whom it may concern, to John Doe and Jane Doe and others.

00:33:31.540 So he represented all unnamed people and others when he was brought before the courts back in the 90s.

00:33:38.760 And he had quite a bit of fun representing all these unnamed people as himself.

00:33:43.700 I am the unnamed and going back and forth with the judge about what exactly this had to do with

00:33:48.840 anything. So if anybody's looking for a legal strategy, call yourself the unnamed. I am

00:33:54.300 Spartacus, you know, and just go that route. So Nadine, have you been named in this? Like,

00:33:59.300 what's going to happen? Well, I was attending the event as the journalist for the Western

00:34:06.280 standard so i have not as far as i'm aware been named and i haven't had any rcmp present me with

00:34:14.360 anything but uh you know it'll be interesting to see they were handing out a number of tickets

00:34:19.240 at the event after the fact and in the beginning because part of this injunction was you had to be

00:34:25.480 aware of it so in the beginning the rcmp were actually going around handing out a notice so

00:34:34.520 it was like trying to make people aware and of course people were just refusing to take it which

00:34:39.080 was the right thing for them to do but the amount of police officers and the show of force this

00:34:48.600 really for me became the first event that i've attended that i took a step back and went this is

00:34:55.800 getting very real they were there you know such a large number in such a big presence it was really

00:35:05.640 an intimidation tactic and then to have three arrests made you know in alberta on that same day

00:35:12.760 you know uh pastor arthur pulowski whether you know you think he's radical or not you know he

00:35:17.800 still is a pastor that's the second pastor in alberta that's been i don't know of anywhere in

00:35:24.280 the world other than alberta canada that has arrested a pastor through all of this and we've

00:35:31.400 arrested too you know and james coates you know he's a lamb the most gentile you know peaceful

00:35:40.360 man um you know and art is the lion in this for sure um and then of course glenn carrot was

00:35:47.160 arrested as well no one's talking about that and of course chris scott just a business owner you

00:35:53.080 know trying to keep his business alive be there for his community um put food on the the table

00:36:00.680 for his family and these are the criminals now that we're dedicating our resources and hunting

00:36:06.280 down i mean it it you know this is precisely it when it comes to this question of criminality

00:36:13.960 things have been inverted things have been completely inverted so so to to you know sit

00:36:19.160 at home and not do anything is somehow a virtue while to go and try and make a living is somehow

00:36:25.240 a vice and something that must be corrected and simultaneously as well especially when we talk

00:36:30.120 about small business people who are who are losing their their livelihood what what other choice do

00:36:36.840 they have they can't they can't wait for a government another government subsidy to come

00:36:41.960 through and and take care of the day in the end they have to make they have to make it pay or

00:36:46.120 else they're still paying rent and they're still paying heating and they're still this this isn't

00:36:49.960 going to pay if they can't make money at their jobs well it's not only that it's the goalposts

00:36:56.120 consistently moves there's no no okay well if we hit this target then this well if we hit that

00:37:01.720 target or sometimes even if we don't there's a new restriction that's put into place so for example

00:37:06.680 with the last series of restrictions that jason kenny put into place um you know he said outdoor

00:37:11.480 patios were fine so you have all and have you seen the price of lumber lately all of these small

00:37:18.040 business owners that go out and they upgrade their patios it's an extra expense that they

00:37:24.280 at this particular time cannot afford and then literally weeks later he says no changed our mind

00:37:33.800 how is that even fair you know how do you want a business when you don't know from day to day

00:37:41.480 what the government is going to throw at you and i i mean i'm sorry but this is this is queuing

00:37:48.760 something up for me in the sense that one of the places that i've had a lot of fun uh is trying to

00:37:54.520 explain to people that uh they lost they lost the rights to their face uh when the government uh

00:38:00.280 banned smoking indoors this has been one of my rants that i've gone over again and again

00:38:04.600 it's not this is not this is not a a promotion of smoking in general or an endorsement that

00:38:10.120 smoking is just fine that's not the point the point is the idea that the government could

00:38:14.360 literally regulate the air you breathe in a private business or in your private car should

00:38:20.040 you smoke with your kids in the car probably not but again the idea that the government could

00:38:24.280 regulate that has become completely pervasive through society and there you are so why can't

00:38:29.320 the government put a mask on your face and to your point exactly with the patio thing

00:38:33.720 in british columbia they said that if you built smoke cancellation systems people would be allowed

00:38:39.320 to smoke inside six months later they changed the rule after everybody upgraded or shortly after

00:38:45.080 everybody upgrades so the people who wanted to upgrade did they built rooms where there was a

00:38:49.160 big fan and there was smoke cancellation they never got a sent back at the pst they paid on

00:38:54.840 that ducting they never got a sent back in the renovations they didn't get a write-off they

00:38:58.360 didn't get to count as a loss the government just changed the rules so to your same point here

00:39:03.000 arbitrary government rules that don't necessarily square with science or reason or just how you run

00:39:08.120 a business changing all of a sudden this has been going on a long time it's been going on since the

00:39:13.080 90s well even earlier in many respects but i mean in this kind of public health sense it's been going

00:39:18.360 on since the 80s and 90s well what we have is the nanny state and what we're seeing is that nanny

00:39:25.320 state is actually graduating now to more of a police state um and the enforcement of government

00:39:32.040 rules legal or otherwise because i mean we have an amazing group of lawyers in this province in

00:39:38.680 particular that are really standing up and pointing out the violations to the charter of

00:39:43.400 rights and freedoms the bill of rights um our constitution and you know what's really for me

00:39:50.520 somewhat shameful is our media is not covering that and the media has really been the biggest

00:39:59.320 um i think fear spreading the fear of of covid

00:40:06.120 and and and that's given the government more power to come out with what they're

00:40:09.720 doing and and you know it's about objectivity

00:40:12.840 we need everybody need and you said this just a moment ago everybody needs to

00:40:16.120 see both sides of the story so people often look at me and go

00:40:19.560 nadine well you have an opinion of course i do but i also want to make

00:40:23.240 sure that both sides of the story are being heard

00:40:25.880 i mean ctb tv global cbc they do a good job at covering you know the other side and they're

00:40:32.680 bought and paid for it's state propaganda in my opinion and there's nobody that's talking about

00:40:40.360 where's the evidence so for example i just had a call this morning with mr northcott

00:40:45.160 the lockdown rodeos um event coordinator and that was a protest that was a protest against

00:40:51.400 these draconian measures that the government is taking and like he said he's looking forward to

00:40:57.160 his day in court but his concern now also is that he gets a fair judge because you know we had a

00:41:06.280 judge who put an injunction in place unnamed people right anybody could go to prison you know because

00:41:14.040 they simply decided to show up at a protest which is legally within their right to do so

00:41:19.560 and that's his biggest concern so people are not afraid to stand up for their rights they're not

00:41:26.240 afraid to go to jail as Chris Scott had made mention with at the whistle stop he's not afraid

00:41:31.580 to go to jail his biggest concern right now is the apathy of Canadian people people are sitting

00:41:38.320 at home on their sofas and letting this happen and and there was a great sign and I know it's

00:41:44.360 been going around on Facebook you know and I'm going to reference Anne Frank because you know

00:41:49.100 the people who hid her were breaking the law the people who killed her were following orders and

00:41:59.240 right now again my opinion but this is not the time to be complying and following orders we need

00:42:05.980 to question what is going on we need to demand the evidence show us the evidence people are not

00:42:13.840 unreasonable but when you ask people to go through what they have gone through for the last 15 months

00:42:19.520 when they were told it was going to be two weeks two weeks and they have never seen evidence and

00:42:27.620 the pastor coates trial was very interesting because they were asked to produce evidence and

00:42:32.760 they said they didn't have enough time well in circumstances where you're drawing upon a pandemic

00:42:38.400 emergency measures like this you are supposed to have done the due diligence have the evidence

00:42:43.560 before you put the measures in place and here we are 15 months later they're going to court and

00:42:52.040 they say sorry we don't have enough time don't have enough time uh i'm pretty sure that in order

00:42:59.620 to charge someone you need the evidence to charge them that's uh the founding rule of english

00:43:04.260 speaking justice habeas corpus produce the body in any case i think something else that's kind of

00:43:11.320 also interesting is that the attitude that's kind of been taken it's not that it's not that bc doesn't

00:43:16.040 have any uh enforcement of the restrictions uh but it's it's interesting that bc which is definitely

00:43:21.800 more irreligious than than alberta is somehow not i think as far as i know i'd have to check in some

00:43:28.760 places there's definitely been some crackdowns in some of the churches and whatever i don't think

00:43:32.520 we're rounding up pastors though what do you think's going on in alberta which i mean you know

00:43:37.480 especially from the liberal side of Canada, the Eastern side, they would say, well, Alberta is a 0.75

00:43:41.420 bunch of Bible thumpers. Why is Alberta having a problem with its pastors in a way that BC isn't? 0.99

00:43:48.220 Well, I think Alberta is, I think Alberta probably represents the most conservative

00:43:54.640 voice in Canada. And I think that's a real threat to the liberal, the left, to the Trudeau

00:44:03.920 government in particular and I think Jason Kenney and I don't understand the rationale but he's

00:44:10.080 really taken offense to people not obeying his orders and he is hiding behind Dr. Hinshaw

00:44:18.000 and has said you know it's not my fault it's it's you know AHS who's doing this but I'm going you

00:44:25.040 have to come back and say excuse me but are you not the premier so you know I know Horgan has

00:44:31.140 certainly put uh bonnie henry out front but he has has made it also very clear that they are not

00:44:36.900 going to take these um enforcement measures like you've seen here in alberta so it is a great

00:44:44.740 question um why such a tough and i think it's because you know albertans you know the rodeo

00:44:53.060 the police did not show up at rodeo could you imagine the confrontation of a bunch of cowboys

00:44:58.020 I mean, you go back to the days of cowboys and Indians, really, and it would not, I don't think, have ended in anything productive. 0.98

00:45:07.440 So smart on them. 0.93

00:45:09.060 But, I mean, they're arresting people, Pastor Poloski, in the middle of 17th Avenue.

00:45:14.540 I mean, that didn't even look safe to me, not for the police officer and especially for Pastor Poloski, who was on his knees in the middle of one of the busiest streets we have in Calgary.

00:45:26.280 you know why why why why this is such a demonstration of force and and coercion

00:45:34.840 and it's i think it's a scare tactic you know albertans get in line smarten up

00:45:40.860 and smarten up to what end this is the thing that's really confusing to me

00:45:46.360 to what end this the pandemic is supposed to end

00:45:52.180 go on a virus does not go away so dr modry and um dr joffrey uh dr hodkinson they've all made

00:46:05.120 this very clear i mean we have a flu that reoccurs every year except for when there's covid

00:46:11.520 and it's a virus it is going to constantly mutate it doesn't go away measles has never

00:46:17.860 gone away chicken pox has never gone away this is not going away so what now is it the government's

00:46:23.160 expectation that you have to wear a mask over your face for the rest of your life and the other thing

00:46:28.380 that people aren't talking about and the government has been very um you know curt to deny is is the

00:46:35.980 the collateral damage that colonel redmond speaks about you know and the collateral damage is a

00:46:41.960 military term because people don't want to talk about, you know, the deaths that are caused by

00:46:47.960 government decisions. So we don't call it deaths or the harm. We call it collateral damage. The

00:46:53.940 suicide. So in Mirror at the whistle stop, interestingly enough, there was an individual

00:46:59.240 who stood up there and spoke of the three suicides that have happened in Mirror since this lockdown

00:47:04.900 has begun three in a little tiny community that has not been impacted by covid not one death

00:47:13.140 in mirror from covid but now three suicides so you tell me what's more deadly

00:47:20.420 this is something that's becoming very apparent in british columbia as well my own father is a

00:47:24.820 is a psychiatrist technically speaking he's an adolescent psychiatrist but here in northern

00:47:28.180 british columbia you uh do the work they got uh but the the thing that that you know he's observed

00:47:33.780 is that you know he usually gets a couple of of suicide attempts in a year uh he's had record

00:47:39.220 numbers over the last 15 months record numbers of suicide attempts and of course in bc the real

00:47:44.660 pandemic the real epidemic is of course the opiate crisis i was just finishing up a column on this

00:47:50.020 this morning i needed to beef it up a little bit and it had to do with ali thomas out of victoria

00:47:55.540 who of course was 12 when she died of opiate overdose uh last month well what's really

00:48:03.300 happening to our children is such um that's criminal you know i have a nine-year-old little

00:48:09.700 daughter and um you know i it's it's taking its toll on her we're trying to keep things

00:48:14.660 as normal as we possibly can and she's hearing what's going on she's seeing what's going on

00:48:20.420 um you know the limits that uh are placed upon her as far as what she can do with her friends

00:48:27.140 and who she can see um it's just it really this is decades to correct what is happening and i also

00:48:35.300 too have um a friend of mine um who is a doctor mental health and his practice right now is open

00:48:42.740 seven days a week he has never seen the amount of traffic and the need and that's why he said

00:48:50.260 he's open seven days a week why because he needs to be right now it's it's it's pretty incredible

00:48:57.940 really if you think about it and and then let's think about that collateral damage we have a

00:49:01.460 socialized medical system in canada that doctor is billing for those and that's fine that's the

00:49:07.140 nature of our system but but if that frequency has gone up that much those billings have gone up that

00:49:13.220 much that's more money from the taxpayer that's gone up that much if that's not just an isolated

00:49:18.980 incident if that's every other little town and every other part of the urban areas we have in

00:49:23.440 the country you can imagine that we're not just we're not just spending money we don't have out

00:49:28.020 there on various projects or wasteful projects or covid restrictions we're also now billing

00:49:33.020 billing for money we don't have um again it's not to say anyone who has a right to bill shouldn't

00:49:39.440 bill it's it's to say that if that frequency goes up like any actuary i'm no actuary and i have no

00:49:44.680 time for actuaries. I think it's a dismal profession. But the idea, you do assess things.

00:49:50.360 You make a guesstimate. We all make guesstimates about how much further we need to go until we

00:49:54.220 need to refill our truck. We all make guesstimates all the time. If your guesstimate is that off,

00:49:59.400 right, and if it keeps being that off, you're going to be in a big hole of public debt very

00:50:04.880 quickly with no light at the end of the tunnel. Well, it's okay because, you know, according to

00:50:09.900 trudeau government budgets balance themselves and we'll just print more money it is tragic

00:50:15.900 actually what's happened and i attribute this to the education system um for the last 30 years i

00:50:21.500 think our children have been more indoctrinated and instructed as opposed to educated and

00:50:27.980 regrettably they don't understand or know history and they know nothing of finance you know when i

00:50:34.140 talk to people oh we'll just print more money you know millennials they'll just print more money

00:50:38.380 well it doesn't work that way we're gonna see inflation happen and people go well inflation 0.94

00:50:43.340 well we can't control that well so being a chartered investment manager um i love talking

00:50:49.340 to people about money in such a way that they can understand well when you print more of something

00:50:55.580 it has lesser value so prices go up inflation is not the cause of of anything other than

00:51:04.620 it's the symptom of the government printing more money and so they are directly responsible

00:51:12.860 for paying more at the pumps they are directly responsible for you having to pay more uh in the

00:51:18.780 grocery store every purchase you make lumber groceries housing this is all governments doing

00:51:28.380 because they are printing more money it is it is at the same time i think something we actually

00:51:34.300 have to face facts when it comes to, say, the interest rate as well. We've been lowering the

00:51:39.840 interest rate for a very long time to the point where it's basically negligible. And of course,

00:51:45.180 that's causing people to take out big loans because it's cheap to take out the big loan.

00:51:49.880 And that's causing housing prices to rise as well. And God knows what that's doing to our

00:51:53.720 inflation as well. And now we're in a trap where if we can't raise the interest rate in order to

00:51:58.680 try and cool things or to try and bring bring the cost of a one dollar up versus you know having to

00:52:04.500 pay thirty dollars for one dollar right in in inflation we have a problem because people won't

00:52:10.080 be able to afford their payment so we're stuck at the bottom of this very bad fiscal hole that

00:52:16.140 the policy that we were following fiscally for the last 10 years has not gone well basically ever

00:52:20.940 since 2008 we had great policy into 2008 to a point because we didn't have the crash the united

00:52:25.380 States had. But since then, for some reason, we've been following a very bad set of policies that at

00:52:30.360 this point, we raise interest rates. People will literally be out of house and home in a matter of

00:52:35.800 minutes. But we have to go back to what's the underlying cause? What's the underlying factor

00:52:40.740 here? And that's government. The government interferes in pretty much every aspect of

00:52:45.180 people's personal lives today, whether it's how much water comes out of your shower through to

00:52:50.440 building codes which represent here and i know alberta almost one-third the cost of a home here

00:52:56.760 is directly related to regulation and meeting the bureaucratics uh you know the requirements

00:53:03.800 and you know we've gotten the government has gotten to the point where it's it's it's the

00:53:09.300 nanny state they figure they have to take care of everyone and everything in every aspect we're not

00:53:13.520 responsible adults and this is where people have to stop making demands on the government to do

00:53:19.120 something and recognize that every time you do that you give up a little bit more freedom and

00:53:23.460 a little bit more power and they are happy to take it but it does not serve you and when the

00:53:29.980 government puts something into law it doesn't only impact one person or the group it impacts

00:53:37.060 everybody and you know I have a different level of risk than most people I have you know bungee

00:53:45.200 jumped i have jumped out of airplanes i was a mountaineer and a rock climber you know most

00:53:49.800 people would think that's crazy but i'm still here today and yet i went for a walk in the woods just

00:53:55.460 last year and went into full anaphylaxis in shock because i got stung nine times by a wasp's nest

00:54:02.820 you know so we we take risks every day and we need to be able to judge for ourselves what risks

00:54:12.240 you want to take most people would never take the risk of being a business owner why they prefer

00:54:17.820 the security of going to work at eight coming home at four everything is very predictable they know

00:54:24.260 what they're getting paid they can budget accordingly when you're a business owner you

00:54:28.560 don't know what's coming at you from one day to the next with the market but now to add a government

00:54:34.940 that is just throwing restrictions and regulations and and that not even ones that they're willing to

00:54:41.640 explained from a rational perspective. I mean, that's not a free society. I'm sorry, but we have

00:54:49.160 to admit what we're living with right now. And it's not, the courts are not upholding freedoms.

00:54:55.240 They're not upholding the charter of rights. And, you know, I always tell people our legal system

00:55:00.440 is founded on the supremacy that we are born with inalienable rights. You know, government didn't

00:55:07.540 give them give us these rights government's job is to protect these rights and they're the ones

00:55:14.700 trampling all over them they are supposed to protect those rights and i think that a huge

00:55:21.220 part of it is that government is just so distant from us today it there's millions of people even

00:55:27.240 in canada which is a small population but there's still millions of people and they aren't directly

00:55:32.200 connected to their representatives anymore they don't know who they are they can't pass them in

00:55:35.980 street and give them a wave they're not from your neighborhood you don't know who's actually in

00:55:40.140 charge and that anonymity creates a huge amount of confusion and resentment creates a fog of war

00:55:45.500 around policy and finally something that i addressed in my opening statement this morning is

00:55:49.420 that the idea of commission government actually another subject that stewart parker likes to

00:55:54.060 dwell on and we'll talk to him more about that on thursday but but commission government is a

00:55:59.100 dangerous thing because ultimately it it it subtracts the very idea that kind of kind of

00:56:04.620 rules and well in monarchy especially but in any but in any kind of system which is like well you

00:56:08.940 are what you do and it is your honor that's going to kind of keep you accountable right that that

00:56:14.220 that simple premise it's like we have an honor-based system you you what you do is who you

00:56:19.340 are and what you are is what will be judged and we expect that you care about that enough that

00:56:23.740 you'll act accordingly so we have accountability but when we did the commission government system

00:56:28.540 when we gave so much power to bureaucrats we because we had seen politicians help themselves

00:56:34.060 to the cookie jar and make sure that fire departments were in their neighborhood and

00:56:38.140 not in someone else's we saw that lack of disinterest we saw people doing things selfishly

00:56:42.740 we said well we'll give it to this group of people that will always act unselfishly and it's like well

00:56:46.740 they're people and people can make mistakes people are always fallible and i think we're at the height

00:56:53.360 of it when it comes to covid it is the inmates running the asylum the civil servants are running

00:56:58.160 the government they're running the country the elected officials have completely abandoned the

00:57:01.940 ship to the point where they don't even go to parliament anymore or the legislatures they don't

00:57:05.940 even show up you know if we were gonna you know like where they're not even at work and isn't

00:57:12.220 that amazing because these are the people that in a crisis we did elect them to be able to

00:57:20.020 responsibly uh make decisions for us quickly and efficiently and effectively and they're hiding in

00:57:27.360 their basements so if what happens if Canada actually did see a war you know I mean we you

00:57:35.240 know Mr. Kenny came out just a few days ago May 8th you know Europe victory day and the comments

00:57:42.060 that if you go to that that tweet and you read the comments people are very angry he right now

00:57:48.020 does not understand what freedom is right and then to come out and say oh this is a wonderful

00:57:55.040 day to be celebrated freedom and the role that canadians played in that is an insult and a slap

00:58:01.120 in the face to albertans and to all canadians because if you live in a free society the

00:58:07.600 government respects the individual's rights we are not a collective you and i you know may share

00:58:16.000 95 of the same and then five percent different but myself and someone else may be 50 different

00:58:23.280 and that's the beauty of a free society we are allowed to use our own faculties our own property

00:58:30.560 um in the way that serves us the greatest and the law's purpose is to protect those rights

00:58:37.600 and then more importantly allow us to do that and but the catch is is it comes with

00:58:42.960 individual responsibility you as an adult are responsible for the actions that you take

00:58:48.880 and the law is forced 100 all the time so the only purpose for us to have laws is to make sure that

00:58:56.240 i do not infringe upon your freedoms you do not infringe upon mine first do no harm in the

00:59:02.880 hippocratic oath for for medicine it's no different and right now it is the government

00:59:08.960 seems to have assumed that they have all these powers that they actually don't have they only

00:59:15.120 have the power of an individual because it's our power that we give them it is our power that we

00:59:22.940 give them and what what needs to be understood is that the government the government is not

00:59:28.140 the repository of our rights that's our own dignity given to us by god uh but the but they

00:59:34.260 are the guarantor and if the guarantor can't be trusted to guarantee anymore then the then it must

00:59:39.140 be ousted and i think that's what's going to end up happening it's somewhat regrettable to me i

00:59:43.520 worked with Mr. Kenney. He was then

00:59:45.660 Minister Kenney, very briefly

00:59:47.400 in Ottawa. I was an intern in his office.

00:59:50.140 I had a lot of respect for him, and

00:59:51.620 I thought he was a very competent, intelligent guy.

00:59:53.760 I just don't know what's going on

00:59:55.720 in Alberta. That's not the

00:59:57.520 Jason Kenney I knew in

00:59:59.120 Ottawa, and I don't understand

01:00:01.680 what's happening over there. It's very

01:00:03.520 troubling to put it politely.

01:00:06.160 It seems

01:00:07.580 very caustic, and it seems very

01:00:09.420 random. It seems very panicked,

01:00:11.600 and and just like grasping at straws and i i i hope i hope things come together for for uh the

01:00:18.860 premier because he's just clearly clearly out of source um that's all the time we have for today

01:00:24.780 uh nadine uh we'll check in with you again we'd like to have you on regularly if you would be

01:00:29.100 interested uh i'm i'm sure that we could bring you on regularly and uh that would be great to

01:00:33.800 have your contributions as you're out there on the ground talking to people bringing them on

01:00:38.160 talking to them on film and getting them on record as saying what they think of these lockdowns and

01:00:42.940 what they're really what what they're fighting for every day. Well I can assure you they're not

01:00:47.680 unhinged conspiracy theorists and they're certainly not white nationalist supremists that

01:00:55.020 some of our political class have claimed them to be. They're just everyday working moms and dads

01:01:00.840 trying to earn an honest living. Absolutely. Thank you so much Nadine and we will talk with

01:01:07.360 you again soon well we're going to be bringing uh president sheldon claire onto the stream now we

01:01:16.240 of course got him from the national firearms association and he is here to tell us all about

01:01:20.960 what is going on in canada when it comes to both uh people's just rights everyday rights as well

01:01:26.120 as their gun rights what is happening well hi nathan it's glad to be here again i i see you're

01:01:33.340 having a great day in Prince George and looking out my window, I see the same.

01:01:39.340 What's happening?

01:01:40.040 Well, the NFA just had its annual general meeting last weekend.

01:01:43.640 We had members participating from all over Canada and we've got a lot of

01:01:48.740 business done, went through our financials, discovered we have a bit of money that

01:01:52.440 we can spend.

01:01:53.140 And so we've allocated a good bit of our funding towards fighting the next

01:01:58.440 federal election.

01:01:59.340 We're going to be going after specific ridings to make sure that those who do

01:02:05.700 not support our particular goals and agenda are defeated soundly in the next

01:02:09.860 election. We're looking at narrow gaps and yeah, we're looking at

01:02:16.740 spending probably close to a fifth of our annual budget on this and it's a

01:02:20.500 significant chunk of money I can tell you when you're looking at an organization

01:02:25.060 that's a multi-million dollar group.

01:02:27.820 So we're doing that.

01:02:29.760 We passed a motion to condemn the Liberal government

01:02:31.960 for the treatment of firearms owners over many years. 1.00

01:02:36.960 It was a resounding support.

01:02:39.700 We've been engaged in a major fundraising campaign,

01:02:43.140 which also sought the views of members and supporters

01:02:47.400 with regards to condemning the Liberals.

01:02:49.240 And our response has been tremendous.

01:02:51.880 And I really wanna thank all of our listeners

01:02:55.040 there who are members of the nfa and supporters and who have donated and helped us out we've got

01:03:01.280 a really unprecedented time in in front of us here i mean i'm i'm a historian i look at pandemics

01:03:08.560 in history i've done that a little bit and you know typical pandemics three to five years maybe

01:03:13.520 as long as 14. but what we're seeing here is not the 19 to 1918 to 1922 50 million people dead

01:03:22.160 pandemic that's not what's going on here and i and i think that in the initial stages of this

01:03:28.000 there was a lot of fear as to what this was going to be shaping out to what it looks like and i think

01:03:32.640 that we've really turned a corner on that and we should be changing our views and the fact

01:03:40.320 that we haven't is very disconcerting to a lot of canadians including firearms over this has to

01:03:44.960 what's going on really so i i think these are all issues of concern for us our uh legislative

01:03:54.160 efforts are continuing with our active lobbying we have charlie zatch who's busy meeting with

01:04:00.960 members of parliament senators various bureaucrats to ensure that our views are well in front of

01:04:08.800 their agendas and i'm proud to say that we are far in excess uh the the most prolific and highest

01:04:18.880 quality lobbying organization fighting for firearms rights in the country there's nobody

01:04:23.360 even close to us so i'm very very pleased about that and we're continuing our efforts in a major

01:04:31.120 fashion to make sure that we're we're getting our views out there and correcting this information

01:04:35.520 In the court and legal front, we are funding the Cassie Premack and KKS Tactical versus Canada case, which is a focus to go after very directly.

01:04:47.420 The government's assertion that banning 1500 types of firearms was reasonable and necessary in Canada.

01:04:55.500 And we're fighting that quite hard.

01:04:58.460 We have a hearing coming up on the intervention that we are also doing.

01:05:02.780 We're doing an intervention as well as funding that main case.

01:05:05.520 we certainly didn't want to be the gun lobby versus canada we don't see that as a very productive or

01:05:11.440 compelling client to put in front of the federal court but we're we were the first to file with

01:05:17.680 the part the premat matter and we were very careful about developing an effective strategy

01:05:24.640 with our legal team to make sure we had the best chance of victory we did not choose to go for an

01:05:31.040 injunction to delay the time we if we were going to do that our view was that we should be doing it

01:05:36.480 towards a time when there is a pressure on on the time left of the case because our concerns were

01:05:44.080 were that there would be attempts to make arguments that would affect the main case

01:05:48.560 and that perhaps tipping strategy hands was not a very good idea early on we felt the whole

01:05:55.040 exercise would be a waste of money unfortunately it was and but we we did not participate in that

01:06:01.600 as we we saw what was going to happen so that's a lot of what we're doing right now nathan and

01:06:08.560 we're trying to keep up on things we're very very active we're developing our communication

01:06:14.320 strategy for the federal election and uh yeah we're we're we're gonna we're gonna make a big

01:06:20.240 difference with with a mind to the federal election we had all predicted that it was going

01:06:26.960 to come down this may uh and and this june it was going to be a late spring summer election

01:06:32.960 and then suddenly that reversed uh now everybody's kind of saying the fall why do you think that

01:06:39.040 changed what was what was the difference there well i think it can be pretty much explained by

01:06:44.000 by the lockdowns in Ontario and Quebec in particular,

01:06:48.060 and the continued COVID cavitation,

01:06:53.060 I guess, of the rest of the country.

01:06:55.660 When you start seeing pastors rousted on the street by police,

01:07:01.060 when you start seeing communities being shut down,

01:07:05.320 people not being able to buy clothing for their children,

01:07:07.780 and a whole host of other issues happening,

01:07:11.020 I think that that politically is a dangerous ground for any government to say, well, we're going to have an election.

01:07:16.000 I think what's going to have to happen in the Trudeau parliament is that they're going to have to say, OK, well, we're going to we're going to stop the lockdowns and we're going to open it up so we can have an election.

01:07:29.520 And it seems to me that with lockdowns in place, they're not going to be able to do it.

01:07:34.300 The problem they have is how do you get up, get there from here?

01:07:38.200 You see, they've created such a strong state of fear in society right now that all of a sudden say, oh, it's okay now.

01:07:49.060 A lot of people are vaccinated or something and it's all right.

01:07:51.740 So we're all good to go.

01:07:54.080 And, you know, that's it.

01:07:56.520 That isn't going to be very credible to people, especially those who they've convinced of their particular political point of view on this.

01:08:05.200 So people are still going to be concerned.

01:08:08.320 They're still going to be worried about their personal safety and the safety of their loved ones.

01:08:12.220 And they're not really going to be sure what to believe and what to trust.

01:08:16.780 Because when the government's been saying, well, you have to do these, these, this, that, and the other, and all these harsh measures,

01:08:22.780 and then all of a sudden they're going to have to say it's okay so we can do an election, well, that's not going to really fly very well.

01:08:29.260 So it's a how do you get there thing, I think.

01:08:32.080 and and how do we get there the the issue is that as we see with the lockdowns throughout alberta

01:08:40.260 and in bc and out into ontario and quebec people are growing very tired of this but at the same

01:08:46.740 time we've had a covet election here in bc that resulted in the ndp gaining a defining majority

01:08:53.600 a definitive victory over the liberals a serious smash and and on and on it goes so as we look

01:08:59.960 around the country, I believe there's only been one upset. I believe everything else has stayed

01:09:05.220 the same. So the government currently in charge has stayed. The upset, I believe, was Newfoundland,

01:09:10.760 was it not, by one or two seats? Well, I think historically the trend is for people to seek

01:09:17.500 stability in times of instability. And so there is often a resistance to change government. And

01:09:24.320 there's a whole bunch of things going on that people are concerned about. I get that. But I

01:09:29.600 think there's also a concern that this is not being operated in a very good manner for the

01:09:36.200 country or the people in it. There's a lot of anger out there. There's a lot of people who are

01:09:40.720 starting to engage in large protests. You're seeing significant numbers of people who are

01:09:47.420 getting fed up with this and saying they're mad as hell and they're not going to take it anymore.

01:09:51.360 And I think that that is going to not get smaller. That's growing and it's growing every day.

01:09:58.280 And I mean, we look, I, you know, I'm coming from the firearms point of view, we're seeing a legislative agenda in which they basically are saying that, you know, it's not okay to own guns, period, full stop, regardless of why you have them.

01:10:11.800 We're seeing attacks on hunting activities in British Columbia and in other areas of the country.

01:10:17.260 We're seeing attacks on firearms owners generally.

01:10:20.360 People are saying, well, you know, hunting rifles, all that are okay, but not these so-called scary modern sporting rifles.

01:10:27.180 Well, hang on a second here. This is about all of that. And you can rest assured that if they're

01:10:32.900 after you're hunting, they're after you're hunting rifles and shotguns as well. And an awful lot of

01:10:39.280 people who own firearms don't hunt with them. They use them for sporting purposes, which include

01:10:44.040 competitive shooting, recreation, collecting, reenactment, and so on. And I know many who don't

01:10:49.620 hunt at all. So it's not just about that aspect of things. So there's an awful lot going on,

01:10:55.340 Nathan, an awful lot.

01:10:57.060 And when you start adding it all up,

01:10:59.320 the government's starting to say,

01:11:00.500 hey, we're coming after your guns.

01:11:02.600 We want you to be fully controlled

01:11:04.280 in your environment and where you live

01:11:05.780 and how you live.

01:11:07.480 And, you know, we're playing games

01:11:09.700 about election dates.

01:11:10.740 You know, that's cause for concern.

01:11:13.140 There's a little bit of cause for concern,

01:11:15.180 isn't it?

01:11:15.700 Just a little bit.

01:11:16.680 A civil disarmament agenda

01:11:18.380 coupled with growing government tyranny 0.85

01:11:20.680 always goes well in the end.

01:11:22.820 it's not historically it sure doesn't well let's talk about that a little bit the issue

01:11:30.000 the issue seems to be and it was actually brought up by nadine in the last segment here

01:11:33.780 that honestly there seems to be a lack of education around these issues a lack of knowledge around

01:11:39.480 these issues lack of facts a lot of fake news uh from from the opposite side the side that always

01:11:44.860 accuses the other of fake news it's actually mostly coming from them and so on this issue as

01:11:49.700 as someone who is a historian and somebody who teaches history for a living, what do you find?

01:11:54.740 Are people very well informed about what happened before and why things happened and why they might

01:11:59.580 happen again? Well, I think when you're close to the fire, your perspective is different than when

01:12:04.300 you look back at things with hindsight and knowing what the outcomes are. And I think the thing about

01:12:11.320 asking a historian a question like that is we're not very good at predicting the past. So, you know,

01:12:15.580 our crystal ball is not so good for predicting the future however when you look at pandemics

01:12:20.860 historically they tend to go about three to five years sometimes as long as about 14.

01:12:25.980 they are big events and this is not the 1918 to 1922 global pandemic pandemic that killed 50

01:12:36.460 million people this is clearly not that i mean we're seeing nowhere near the fluctuation of

01:12:43.660 numbers or change and i think at the start of this there was some cause for for legitimate concern

01:12:48.300 but that maybe figuring how to dial that back hasn't been going so well

01:12:55.500 maybe maybe there's some of them that seem to like the the power this has given them i mean

01:13:00.060 that's with respect to government power it is there a way to curtail it is there a way to kind

01:13:09.020 of uh push back against it i suppose some of these processes that are being organized and

01:13:13.340 people are standing up i mean even the platform that we're on right now there's been some very

01:13:17.260 clear lines drawn and some clear things set at the same time uh obviously the governments are

01:13:23.340 still holding sway and i don't know how many of them have been backed down and backed into their

01:13:28.140 corner and told to stay where they belong and to stay out of people's lives and to stop stop

01:13:32.300 regulating them at this micro level is there going to be a change in that are people finally going to

01:13:37.980 get fed up and tell tell the government that's it we're just not going to comply anymore well

01:13:43.340 I think until you have mass movements that say no, it's going to be a problem.

01:13:49.300 I mean, we're living in a society right now where professional associations, medical professional associations were given letters by provincial governments and their health authorities telling them how they were going to be speaking and talking and what to say and what not to say about the whole pandemic thing.

01:14:06.020 They were given very clear directions, coupled with a threat of potential loss

01:14:10.580 of revenue, licensing, hospital visiting privileges and so on.

01:14:14.060 I've seen some of these documents.

01:14:15.480 And I think doctors who are looking at this have been muzzled.

01:14:21.080 I think that there is a lot of concern about the whole loss of income, loss of

01:14:26.820 revenue. If you take a stand, you're smashed.

01:14:29.320 And there is this general marketing that goes on where everything's been

01:14:34.320 repeated over and over again, and the package has been sold, and people are buying it.

01:14:39.800 I mean, there's legitimate cause for some concern here.

01:14:42.260 This isn't a fantasy, but using a sledgehammer to kill a mosquito is what this really is

01:14:53.440 starting to look like.

01:14:55.600 And that's always bad policy.

01:14:57.420 I made a reference earlier in my opening statement that argument with government, discussion

01:15:02.200 with government is always a uh it's always a hostage situation uh what what what do we need

01:15:10.380 to offer if is there a way to negotiate this is there a way to try and get them to get off of the

01:15:16.080 high horse of of incompetence and arrogance and not wanting to acknowledge that they've made mistakes

01:15:21.280 and just get them to kind of switch around and say oh well we were always going to give you your

01:15:25.380 freedoms back and just move on and maybe that's their that's their absolution it's just like well

01:15:29.480 just gave it back so we're just we'll just move on and and we'll all just pretend this didn't happen

01:15:33.960 well i think you have to get involved in politics and i i mean if you don't get involved in politics

01:15:38.280 you are going to be ruled and governed by those who are involved in politics and there's there's

01:15:44.200 the time for being peaceful and and doing all of that and trying to make that work and if you run

01:15:51.480 into true tyranny and the jackboot and the iron heel and all the rest of it well then maybe you

01:15:56.760 have to step the game up a different way but i think we're not we're not at that right now where

01:16:03.160 we are is where people need to be getting involved in politics getting involved with with the changing

01:16:09.800 minds making sure they become informed themselves with credible information there's a lot of

01:16:15.320 there's a lot of information out there that's pretty scary on all sides and i mean you have

01:16:20.680 a range and somewhere in that range is fact and sifting the facts out from the fantasy is a

01:16:28.440 challenge for everyone right now especially given the large access the information that we are all

01:16:33.160 enjoying until that gets shut down with c10 uh because you know we might say things that are

01:16:38.920 unpopular or maybe mr truder doesn't like nfa cartoons that we've been putting out that you can

01:16:43.400 see on our website at nfa.ca we have a pretty good collection of cartoons which we we think

01:16:49.960 are pretty hard-hitting and blunt and accurate speaking of bill c10 this is this is where things

01:16:56.680 get kind of hairy uh very quickly who who has even the budget to uh police all the facebook and

01:17:04.040 youtube and all the social media sources we canada doesn't have the budget to do that to duplicate

01:17:09.240 the police that already exists there in those social media platforms and and furthermore who

01:17:14.040 decides what is to be censored what is fair content what's fair well that's the scary thing

01:17:20.280 right now you have social media platforms themselves which are engaged in basically what

01:17:24.200 i regard as political activity to go after particular groups i mean firearms great groups

01:17:29.880 and firearms pages and so on on facebook in particular are under a great deal of pressure

01:17:36.040 and under scrutiny by facebook yeah you know that's the facebook will shut you down pretty

01:17:41.240 quickly on complaint-driven matters uh i know in nfa we're very vigilant about what goes on

01:17:47.240 through our particular groups and our page to make sure that we are attempting to be

01:17:54.920 within the parameters of what's okay from their perspective but at some point that

01:17:59.640 we're not going to be okay and you know we're seeing all kinds of uh conservative right of

01:18:05.480 center libertarian freedom believing groups being shut down on a regular basis you know or being

01:18:12.040 shadow banned where your reach has been severely curtailed particularly if you're getting viral

01:18:19.320 type posts out there that that might offend progressive sensibilities and of course it always

01:18:28.480 does seem to go one way though though though the the statist progressivist you know uh power hungry

01:18:36.640 people in the world they're very happy to eat their own the moment that they wander off the

01:18:41.440 reservation the moment that somebody says i do have questions about the astrazeneca vaccine

01:18:45.760 because i mean i i know someone who suffered from it and uh that wasn't good the moment you say that

01:18:51.280 and you are a part of the the elite that's there uh you're devoured oh yeah they turn on you right

01:18:57.280 away i i i have i have uh friends in the medical professions who've experienced very much this kind

01:19:03.120 of a uh of uh uh what's a mobbing or or or dossing or you know where they're where they come up with

01:19:10.880 a view that isn't in sync with the popular uh the popular line and they're all of a sudden turned

01:19:16.880 upon and and devoured and it's it seems to be almost a professional attribute in health care

01:19:21.200 in many respects where where it's you know practice uh credibility or something they they

01:19:28.640 they look at me and say what's you're violating your practice uh ethics or something and they go 0.98

01:19:33.040 after you on that i i i don't know i i think we've really gotten into the chinese curse of living in

01:19:39.680 interesting times nathan yes that's uh that that i really i remember that being uh said to me every

01:19:47.040 morning by the formerly marxist now paleocon professor that we had on here not so long ago

01:19:52.100 a dr grant havers uh may you live in interesting times yeah the old chinese curse yeah he was he

01:19:59.780 was a very good he did a very good job of explaining to us like the the history of ideas 1.00

01:20:04.260 he was philosophy professor and we'll have him on the show again there is there is some questions i

01:20:10.440 guess around is this the canada that anybody ever thought they'd live in i'm trying to imagine

01:20:15.680 explaining this to someone in 2018 even late 2019 even the beginning of 2020 and trying to explain

01:20:22.600 to someone that yeah canada is headed into this very tyrannous state and we are not going we're

01:20:29.360 not going to be a free people in a few short months i don't i don't know if anybody would

01:20:34.680 have believed me um but i i quite agree i i mean can you imagine going back and telling people who

01:20:41.540 were signing up to fight in world war ii that in another uh 75 or 80 years that this kind of thing

01:20:49.720 was going to be going on in their country you know they might might have affected some of their

01:20:54.760 decisions about which way they were flying the lancasters well that that you know i know that

01:21:00.680 comments were made by by both rcaf and uh you know the other other members of the military uh about

01:21:07.240 their their feelings after these things there's entire movies based on that idea i think that

01:21:12.540 again with reference to victory in europe day which passed not that long ago without much

01:21:17.140 uh fanfare or notice in many quarters uh due to the ongoing pandemic uh which took far less lives

01:21:24.340 than uh the the that war did the the thing that that kind of occurs to me is again this this

01:21:30.820 this sacrifice the question of sacrifice and on behalf of liberties and freedoms that that that

01:21:37.000 you might not get to enjoy yourself because you're in a position of sacrifice and laying your life

01:21:41.720 on the line i don't i don't think that spirit's been taken out of us entirely but it's definitely

01:21:46.840 been curtailed in recent years well it has and i think there's certainly a covid fatigue that's

01:21:53.320 going on here too right i mean i i mean i know last year i made an effort to try to commemorate

01:21:59.180 some of these things from my local legion and this year i've just been the enthusiasm level

01:22:05.700 is getting

01:22:07.380 lower and lower about

01:22:09.200 this kind

01:22:11.860 of stuff. I mean, people

01:22:12.840 want to be able to breathe free

01:22:15.700 again and

01:22:16.740 that this is not happening and

01:22:19.660 that there are continual...

01:22:21.460 I mean, we're hearing talk now

01:22:23.160 that masks might be a permanent thing

01:22:25.780 or

01:22:26.060 vaccine passports and all of

01:22:29.660 this kind of talk is

01:22:31.600 out there and it's

01:22:33.340 really causing a lot of angst.

01:22:35.700 in society generally and i i'm looking at a government that is being extremely reactive and

01:22:42.860 jumping short-term plan to short-term plan not doesn't have appear to have a long-term vision

01:22:48.320 although they may have long-term goals and i i don't know i'm i'm i'm not impressed and i think

01:22:56.000 i share the views of a lot of people out there from short-term plan to short-term plan this is

01:23:02.540 this is something that's become very clear in british columbia as well as throughout canada

01:23:08.540 and indeed much of the western world save for a few few small uh uh you know state authorities

01:23:15.180 here there and everywhere that have started to realize that it's time to relax restrictions

01:23:19.180 or who never bothered imposing severe lockdowns anyways the the question becomes if that's if

01:23:26.380 that's the trend in canada what how how do they have the evidence to back that up anymore every

01:23:32.780 little short-term plan they've had that's the reason it's been short-term it hasn't worked

01:23:37.100 at what point do you just admit that what you've done hasn't worked and just kind of

01:23:40.380 try and let people do it on their own well that's it's called escalation of commitment

01:23:45.020 nathan it's it's it's when you've bought into a particular agenda and you you put so much

01:23:49.740 of your resources or your money or whatever into that agenda and you think well if we just do a

01:23:54.380 little more we're going to be okay and i think the classic example of that is the hydro quebec

01:23:59.340 project when all this resources money was put into hydro quebec we just spend a little more it'll

01:24:04.380 make money it'll never make money and it's just gotten it's too expensive and i think that we're

01:24:10.860 in escalation of commitment in terms of covid they they've committed so many resources to this

01:24:16.220 they've committed such a a narrative to it that to dial it back is really very very difficult without

01:24:23.180 attacking the credibility of the premise on which everything was based

01:24:27.740 it's funny that you make this argument it's something that i've i've kind of noticed now

01:24:32.380 especially in the last couple of years anybody who's still bothering to talk to each other

01:24:37.260 uh both the left and the right are talking they're basically both using marxian language

01:24:42.780 to discuss these things because because it's the only tool they have so to talk of sunk capital or

01:24:48.540 invested capital lost capital the kind of structures of things i mean it's funny that you

01:24:53.180 make this point about hydro quebec because for a lot of people who are environmentalists that's

01:24:56.700 the exact same argument they're making about site c so the idea is that it's got so much capital

01:25:03.340 into it that they that they that they have to keep going but then we have to put more money in

01:25:07.260 the machine to keep it going but but i mean this too expensive to fail right yes and that and and

01:25:15.420 and that's that's the problem with escalation of commitment any investor when when you're when 0.91

01:25:21.020 you're investing and you're trying to make money when you look at everything that's that's a loser

01:25:24.780 and you keep and you say well if i just put a little more money into it it's a strategic

01:25:29.580 disaster for you so you have to say at one point i've got to cut my losses and get out of this

01:25:34.300 and i and i i think we're we're at this point here now well this is interesting because again

01:25:40.380 to so there's there's that environmentalist argument right with site c there's an investment

01:25:44.780 argument around Hydro-Quebec, but then in a political argument, especially for the people

01:25:48.440 who are most devoted in this platform and the people who are most devoted in this news

01:25:54.720 organization, they are clearly sovereignists, and they would make the exact same argument

01:25:59.180 around Canada.

01:25:59.860 There was this escalation of commitment.

01:26:01.900 The Western provinces should have never joined, and even if they did join, they should have

01:26:05.600 gone out the moment that it looks bad.

01:26:07.660 Now we're 150 years into this, and we should just do away with it while we can and move

01:26:12.700 on.

01:26:12.900 Well, you know, those arguments were made in 1867, 1868, and so on, and for a few years after.

01:26:21.280 Nova Scotia and the Atlantic provinces were starting to realize maybe they bought into something that was going to be dominated by central Canada, and it has been ever since, really.

01:26:33.460 That's not a surprise.

01:26:34.700 It shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

01:26:36.220 I think the issue is that there has been an unwillingness to be flexible about shifting demographics in Canada to deal with the realities of the way the country is now.

01:26:50.640 And of course, the country's demographics are shifting.

01:26:54.420 One of the things that might happen during COVID, actually, just as we've seen in the United States, there's been a big shift in demographics down there.

01:27:01.060 So people are fleeing. It's funny. We have we have new slave and free states in the United States.

01:27:06.780 We have harsh mandate states and free states.

01:27:09.980 So the states that have had the harshest mandates that have made the least amount of sense and still have record deaths.

01:27:16.080 People from there who are able have have fled.

01:27:19.240 They have left the state. Florida is filling up.

01:27:22.220 So South Dakota, so are a few other states throughout throughout the middle and southern United States,

01:27:28.700 because there the restrictions have always been less harsh

01:27:32.400 and people are just tired of it where they are.

01:27:34.920 Do you think something similar might happen in Canada

01:27:37.160 where people kind of shift around

01:27:39.860 and people are more in favour of restrictions

01:27:41.600 or going to those places

01:27:42.840 and people are less in favour of going to others?

01:27:45.500 Well, the thing in Canada is our healthcare system

01:27:49.660 is under the responsibility of the provinces.

01:27:52.720 Some of the funding for it comes from the federal government.

01:27:55.020 And there is a big difference about how this is all happening across the country.

01:28:01.480 And we're seeing, of course, very severe lockdown regimes in Ontario and Quebec.

01:28:08.660 You've got this very harsh agenda there.

01:28:11.880 You see differences in large urban centers based on rural.

01:28:17.220 I mean, up where we are in Prince George, I mean, the sky is blue.

01:28:22.080 The birds are flying around chirping.

01:28:24.160 Kids are going to school in classrooms with teachers.

01:28:27.100 They've got mask issues, of course, going on.

01:28:30.320 But there is some level of social interaction.

01:28:35.800 But apparently that's not the case in some of these other larger centers.

01:28:39.200 I mean, I took a trip down to Vancouver last June as part of some things I was doing for meetings and so on.

01:28:46.760 And I was absolutely blown away with how empty the streets were.

01:28:52.080 like you you could walk across granville street and you didn't have to look left or right because

01:28:56.580 there wasn't any traffic there were no people walking around there was nothing it was it was

01:29:00.640 actually quite pleasant but i i mean it's a it's a different world it is a different world uh as we

01:29:09.800 all recall i was on the road uh at this time last year just just before this time last year i had

01:29:15.400 arrived in churchill by this point yes but i did travel across this country in the midst of of our

01:29:21.960 lockdown and the pandemic and the initial panic that was felt by by all people at that point

01:29:28.380 and and you got to see it firsthand when you were busy spending your CERB money

01:29:32.880 that's right that's right for those who don't know uh I because I because I was laid off due

01:29:38.260 the pandemic I was entitled to CERB I only took one I didn't take more I took one and uh with my

01:29:44.820 CERB payment uh at the recommendation of a certain president of a certain national firearms association

01:29:49.800 i went and bought myself a 45 70 marlin uh a trapper actually so the nice 16 and a half inch

01:29:57.220 barrel uh for my polar bear protection when i was up north 200 rounds of ammo and a case and

01:30:02.760 i i looked pretty cool walking around up there as a guide with with a lever you know cool well

01:30:08.860 yeah and you'd be a little bit more credible than the shotguns yeah it looked like i was you know

01:30:14.240 like i am status first nation and i i looked like an indian guide it was pretty good it was

01:30:18.400 yep well you know you're going to be serious might as well go big or go home that's my

01:30:22.640 recommendation on all that stuff nathan i'm glad that worked out well for you it sounds like you

01:30:27.040 learned a lot up there and benefited a great deal from it and it's good to see no absolutely it's

01:30:33.680 too bad it's too bad that poor old marlin ended up at the bottom of a river somewhere when you

01:30:38.400 it's really too bad it floated down the churchill and went on its way

01:30:42.640 the beluga wanted to you know not want it anymore so to protect himself he took my marlin from me

01:30:49.960 so of course it's uh i think that's what's funny with it all is that you know it i was there at

01:30:56.980 ground zero too because on may 1st uh speaking to our friends in alberta i was i was in uh edmonton

01:31:03.360 at cabala south on may 1st 2020 and that of course is when the uh in the midst of the pandemic of

01:31:09.080 the gun ban came down yeah the ordering council was was brought in on that on that date you were

01:31:15.720 there to see the panic in the stores people were mad they were mad sir they were very mad

01:31:22.760 no and they have every reason to be this is this is not acceptable and it cannot be defended

01:31:28.360 i mean i've talked i've talked to lots of people across the country about this as you can imagine

01:31:32.360 including police officers serving and former and military serving informer and many of them own

01:31:38.440 this type of these type of firearms and they they own them and they use them for their recreational

01:31:42.840 opportunities and and for fun or and they're not real keen on any of this and there's a lot of

01:31:50.520 division about this in the in the senior ranks of police because many of them also are firearms

01:31:56.600 owners and they don't see the sense of this they it's not supportable on the empirical evidence

01:32:02.040 that any of this has got anything to do with crime control and while police are saying well you know

01:32:07.400 You know, extra resources would help us.

01:32:09.660 Taking away firearms from ordinary Canadians is not going to solve a crime problem in Toronto or Vancouver or anything anywhere else.

01:32:19.600 It's just got no relationship to it.

01:32:21.480 You know, I mean, we saw this incident in Vancouver the other day was a shooting at the airport.

01:32:25.660 that has nothing whatsoever to do with your Marlin or my Remington

01:32:33.160 or anybody else's other firearms in any other private hands.

01:32:37.960 It's got nothing to do with that.

01:32:39.060 It's got everything to do with criminal activity.

01:32:43.440 And the taking away of our guns has everything to do

01:32:46.900 with a civil disarmament agenda, which has been going on for some 60 years.

01:32:50.640 one of the things that that kind of strikes me about all those instances whenever there's a

01:32:57.120 shooting in canada it just it really always does reflect back on on law-abiding gun owners they

01:33:03.600 have have they ever bothered doing something or making some kind of legislation that was ever

01:33:08.640 going to counter a violent offender in any way well any any encounter of violent offender the

01:33:17.340 the problem is it's hard to predicting uh specific individual behaviors is is hard uh you can see

01:33:25.660 warning signs indications and all the rest of it but actually making public policy around

01:33:32.060 people that are doing outlier things is really crazy like you you don't need to be making laws

01:33:38.380 to deal with the rare event you need to deal with you need to deal with uh general large-scale

01:33:46.540 issues that you can you can work with traffic stops bridges you know big picture in infrastructure

01:33:58.780 they can't fix potholes in the streets why why are we sitting here trying to change societal

01:34:09.740 the environment sheldon let me tell you if we just pay a little bit more we pay just a little

01:34:14.220 more that everything will be at escalation of commitment that's what it is and and but and so

01:34:20.380 how do you de-escalate commitment like maybe that is the honest conversation that has to be had how

01:34:25.020 do you you get people to come down that's that's hard you see because it involves acknowledging

01:34:31.500 that what you have doing to that point has been in error and you have to accept responsibility

01:34:37.180 for having made a mistake acknowledging what that mistake is and then changing it in a dramatic and

01:34:42.300 radical fashion i mean this is it's like an addiction right you and you need the same change

01:34:49.500 that makes that that addiction stop or transfers it to something else at least so it's hard it's

01:34:57.340 not easy to de-escalate a commitment and i think that's the problem if that's really the goal if

01:35:04.300 anyway if they actually want to change the direction we're going in it's not easy to to

01:35:09.180 get away from the commitment that has been put in place it isn't easy to get away from it and and

01:35:16.780 you can see it all the time in our leadership something maybe we could reflect on for a moment

01:35:20.700 as well we've talked talked a little bit uh both in the opening statement as well as with uh with

01:35:26.940 nadine earlier there seems to be a problem with with our elected officials just abdicating their

01:35:33.900 responsibilities entirely. Our MPs don't go to work anymore. They Zoom call in. Our legislatures

01:35:40.360 are run by Zoom. What has happened here? The bureaucrats are running the system. The elected

01:35:46.520 officials, I guess, show up for a plenary session every couple of months. And that's it. Where is

01:35:52.360 the leadership? Where is the direct control of democracy by those we elected to represent us and

01:35:58.440 lead us? Well, platforms like Zoom, which I'd never really heard of before all of this went on,

01:36:05.100 have really become the norm, the new normal, to use that overworked term. I mean, I taught

01:36:12.980 all my classes this last semester on Zoom. It was not an experience that was in the best interest

01:36:22.680 of the students or or or me i it was an expedient to deal with a circumstance beyond our control

01:36:31.160 that's what it was and i i think we're seeing a lot of interesting flexible things go on i mean

01:36:36.680 we had to hold our agm by zoom uh last weekend and the attractive part of that is you can bring

01:36:44.040 people in from all over the country and that's great the destructive part is you can't have those

01:36:49.000 in-person conversations that resolve problems answered the the big questions and and just

01:36:56.600 generally build relationships that just doesn't happen with with a zoom type meeting and i know

01:37:02.440 the frustrations are very much there in everyone who is engaged in this kind of a platform sharing

01:37:09.320 whether you're using you know stream view or stream yard or zoom or other platforms in order

01:37:15.480 to communicate it's it's not ideal and it's it needs to change i mean i've seen businesses who

01:37:23.000 have engaged in things like concerts or large conferences who are looking at this and they're

01:37:28.360 going well what are we going to do here all of these businesses across the country have all of

01:37:32.200 a sudden figured out that hey we can do this on the cheap without having to send people to

01:37:37.960 conferences and pay for hotels and all of this and flights we we can just do it all by zoom

01:37:44.440 and this is a really dangerous and short-sighted bit of thinking that does not build the necessary

01:37:50.280 relationships that are essential for success you just you don't you don't have those interpersonal

01:37:57.480 relationships and it makes everything much more corporate and cold and dangerous and of course

01:38:03.800 somebody could be recording the call at any point whereas you know in a personal conversation i

01:38:07.640 suppose that's also possible but if you feel like you trust the person to say a word or two that

01:38:11.560 maybe you didn't really want to say outside of a private setting it's a little different uh it's

01:38:16.280 a little different it's big brothers always watching i think this is very much the talking

01:38:23.000 head i mean my god this is you know it's kafka it's it's orwell it's the it's the big voice

01:38:30.200 coming at you from the screen telling you how to live oh my gosh did we not read the books did we

01:38:35.400 not re you know it's uh it just stuns me to to to make references to some of this and realize that

01:38:43.080 i'm talking to people who have no idea of that history or that literature and how how quickly

01:38:49.960 that tyranny came together as well it's it's it's interesting too because you know whatever

01:38:55.560 dystopian model you're trying to use even margaret atwood's orcs and craig the point the point is

01:39:01.480 that it is all the same in the end it's it is very much the tail wagging the dog we create a society

01:39:07.400 that it is an escalation of commitment to the point where it is you know the the sabbath was

01:39:13.400 made for man not man for the sabbath we we become slaves of the technocracy that we created and we

01:39:18.440 can't we can't get out because it's the only thing that feeds us clothes us heats us uh which comes

01:39:23.480 back to your point of of firearms and independence being able to take care of yourself subsistence

01:39:30.040 hunting or even just hunting recreationally like at least getting outside and knowing and knowing a

01:39:35.000 thing or two about a north star how to you know get through a rainstorm how to build a fire and

01:39:39.480 then how to you know uh take an animal from from creation and then treat the animal properly and

01:39:44.840 and eat the animal and and consume it and have that respect with respect with respect these

01:39:50.840 things like these are things that are very important and and yet we're becoming more and

01:39:55.240 more a nerd to them and more and more ignorant of how to do them well i think there there is a real

01:40:02.040 move in a lot of this to try to take away the strong resilient individual uh ability to to

01:40:10.200 you know survive in one's environment those kinds of skills are becoming less and less common has

01:40:15.720 societies become more urbanized and i i think that's one reason i really like hunting myself

01:40:20.440 as an activity i i mean i'm a hunter examiner i teach for the provincial core program i and i i

01:40:28.040 believe very strongly that it's important for more people to get involved in those activities to

01:40:32.520 really understand where they fit in the ecosystem and where they really are and to go out and observe

01:40:39.560 what's happening in their environment you get much more contact and connection with your environment

01:40:44.360 by going out and being in it than you do from learning about it by googling it or watching

01:40:48.680 what somebody is telling you in a podcast, right?

01:40:53.620 You know, that's the point.

01:40:58.280 And I think people lose sight of that connection

01:41:01.100 as they become more and more enamored

01:41:04.980 of, you know, the technology.

01:41:08.480 They forget about the reality of the world

01:41:11.560 in which we live.

01:41:14.360 And that seems to be so much of what is going wrong

01:41:18.140 with what's happening right now whether we're trying to teach children from from a zoom call

01:41:23.260 or we're trying to work by zoom calls it's not to condemn zoom it's just that the disembodiment

01:41:29.900 of things that we have and we've entered kind of that that that paradise of the disembodied

01:41:35.200 is you live in your home your groceries can be delivered to your door you don't see anybody

01:41:39.940 and you you just participate in the world virtually which of course means a representation

01:41:45.380 virtually does not mean like it means likeness not the same and so the german word i think is

01:41:52.020 ersatz isn't it that's right it's that's yeah it's it's a we're not in we're in fantasy land

01:41:59.960 we're not in a real place anymore and that disembodiment i think is starting to take a

01:42:03.760 psychological societal and political toll well it's a pale imitation of reality and i mean

01:42:10.040 And Zoom, for all of my concerns about what it's doing to us in terms of our social interaction,

01:42:19.500 it's a necessary thing.

01:42:21.920 You know, we would not be able to do any communication.

01:42:25.500 And is no communication better than some?

01:42:27.860 Well, I think it's important.

01:42:28.960 I mean, I was on a major conference a week or two ago, which was all done by Zoom internationally.

01:42:38.040 and wow you know it wouldn't happen and and the participation was up from what it would normally

01:42:44.620 be but the problem is you don't go and have the the the group small group breakouts and discussions

01:42:52.620 and get to know people on a personal level you just don't you don't have that it's just this

01:43:00.060 two-dimensional talking head on the screen and it's just not good enough we're a social animal

01:43:06.420 that's what people are we we we crave human companionship that way you don't have it you

01:43:14.180 just don't perform at the same level and this is why you're going to see things like suicide rates

01:43:18.100 go up you're going to have depression uh people wondering what it's all for what kind of a world

01:43:23.860 do we live in you know wow wow what you know poor me all of this all of these things are a dangerous

01:43:31.860 uh side effect of the the way in which this entire situation is being dealt

01:43:39.940 and and speaking of which you know my father of course whom whom he grew up with as a psychiatrist

01:43:46.580 he is uh he has really seen the uptick in suicide rates uh and admissions uh to an astronomical

01:43:54.660 degree something he's never seen before even in some of the worst economic downturns that he's

01:43:58.900 been a doctor in and and had to help people through obviously economic downturns always

01:44:03.220 cause mental health issues particularly suicide attempts uh and and of course drug use causes

01:44:09.460 suicide attempts there's all sorts of things but in the last 15 months this has gone through

01:44:14.020 the roof uh and and he's really noticed it so obviously what we're doing is is it's it's it's

01:44:21.060 it's it appears to be more dangerous when you look at both the opiate deaths from overdose

01:44:25.860 and then the suicide attempts it appears to be more dangerous and i think people are becoming

01:44:31.220 less accommodating as well i mean you're you're you're seeing more snapping uh about things and

01:44:38.020 you know the whole you know the spacing issues all of this following the rules you have people

01:44:43.060 who are resistant to rules versus people who have who you know haven't met a rule they didn't love

01:44:49.140 and you're seeing this great split and it's actually interesting because it's some in some

01:44:53.940 cases it's crossing political lines yeah i i find that to be really quite a an interesting effect

01:45:01.700 it's it is the great winnowing fork i know i know i'm always full of biblical allusions uh much to

01:45:06.580 your chagrin uh but it's uh it really is though it has been a great the great divider uh and an

01:45:13.620 incredible in an incredible way uh i've referenced this before on the show and i got to write about

01:45:18.660 it at my old gig at the paper here in town and and but that point of being up north in a small

01:45:25.460 community which was kind of the last place to have to deal with covet they had no infections while i

01:45:31.060 was there um none uh three or four months later when i wrote that column uh and and so they'd never

01:45:37.700 had it in the flesh they'd never had covet in the flesh but the fear got to them to the point where

01:45:43.140 We had a summer. We had the last summer without COVID. There was no masks at bars. We enjoyed ourselves. We just had a nice time. There was no need for masks. And then the mask mandates finally came down and people were accosting each other in the grocery store. If there's only one grocery store, you're going to see your neighbor there.

01:45:59.780 And just that people who lived together for 30 years, 40 years, 50 years, people who knew their neighbors for their whole lives, political differences aside, race aside, religion aside, COVID.

01:46:12.760 COVID was the thing that finally broke them. 0.79

01:46:15.100 Well, look at the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, right? 0.71

01:46:17.880 People who lived together as neighbors for decades all of a sudden turned on each other.

01:46:22.060 It's shocking.

01:46:23.960 I'm just looking at one of the comments from Ian Thomas-Blickney about why we don't talk

01:46:28.960 about self-defense, and we do, actually.

01:46:32.940 We're one of the groups that actually does talk about self-defense as being the essential

01:46:37.260 aspect of firearms ownership.

01:46:39.600 I've been very vocal about pointing out that safe storage laws, for example, are basically

01:46:45.420 anti-self-defense laws.

01:46:46.820 That's why Kim Campbell brought them in, and she was very, very clear about it.

01:46:50.520 There's a large undercut of Canadian society that owns firearms only for self-defense and for generals of defense of society.

01:47:01.320 I mean, your purchase of your marlin wasn't because you wanted to go hunting.

01:47:06.320 You got that for defense, for work.

01:47:09.360 You were using it for polar bear protection.

01:47:11.520 That was the essence of what you're doing.

01:47:12.940 And there are many of us in Canada who actually do use firearms for defense.

01:47:18.420 when we're engaged in both work and recreational activities

01:47:23.200 or just because we want to have that kind of ability if we need to.

01:47:26.900 So it's a very, very big thing,

01:47:30.000 and it's an essential argument about firearms rights and firearms ownership.

01:47:34.560 And it is the primary reason that I own my firearms, certainly.

01:47:39.740 That's why I got a gun, you're right.

01:47:42.280 Well, I would just say to Dan,

01:47:44.300 I had an interview many years ago with a firearms officer

01:47:47.540 and we were talking about you know home invasions and break-ins and he he pointed out he said well

01:47:54.300 the the penalty for for breaking into someone's house is not death so you know why should you

01:48:00.020 have the ability to defend yourself and my response was really quite really quite simple i said hey

01:48:04.480 you know the penalty for breaking into someone's home may not be death but the penalty for being

01:48:10.040 broken into may be death from that particular individual you have no way of reading someone's

01:48:15.920 mind or determine what their intent is you just know they're not supposed to be there

01:48:19.280 and you know you have rights the castle doctrine does apply in in the in the british commonwealth

01:48:26.120 it applies in canada you do have you do have rights and you do have the requirement to act

01:48:33.760 in a responsible way and do only what's necessary to to protect yourself and get rid of the threat

01:48:40.020 it doesn't mean you can go out and start blazing away or anything like that but you can do what's

01:48:45.020 reasonable and necessary in the circumstances you're faced with.

01:48:47.700 And that's what a reasonable person would do in a reasonable situation.

01:48:50.660 I'm not a lawyer. And, you know, when you want to look at self-defense law,

01:48:53.700 you need to talk to people who are well versed in it.

01:48:57.400 And I think Dave Young in Montreal,

01:49:01.400 there's legal advisors around who know this area of law very,

01:49:06.520 very well, but quite frankly,

01:49:08.780 it's what's reasonable and necessary in the situation.

01:49:12.200 So I hope that addresses Ian's point there. And I like, yeah,

01:49:14.820 The recreational use is part of the argument.

01:49:18.680 It's part of it for sure, but it isn't sufficient.

01:49:22.520 And self-defense is very much a necessary part of the argument

01:49:26.120 for why we should continue to own any firearms we want to.

01:49:31.420 As we come to the end of our time here, Sheldon,

01:49:34.600 maybe you can kind of give us some predictions

01:49:37.140 about what's coming around the corner here.

01:49:39.060 Is the election coming down the pike this year?

01:49:41.880 Is it actually going to happen?

01:49:43.480 Are we going to get out of this anytime soon?

01:49:46.520 Is Bonnie Henry ever going to let my people go?

01:49:49.720 What's going to happen here?

01:49:51.640 Well, I appreciate the oracle status with which you try to put on me, Nathan.

01:49:55.620 But like I said, my crystal ball is pretty foggy.

01:49:59.480 I've been of the view that the election, if we're going to have one this year, is going to be in the fall rather than in the summer.

01:50:05.980 It may well be in the summer still.

01:50:08.100 Some people are still talking like there'll be a call in June.

01:50:11.160 uh and then that that could well happen there's still time but i if it was going to happen i would

01:50:18.560 have thought it would have happened over the budget and it didn't so my sense is when you

01:50:23.200 start to see easing up of lockdowns in ontario or quebec and so on then you're going to see

01:50:28.440 much more interest in having an election i mean these this is a government here which is

01:50:35.360 is an ineptocracy they they they've clearly failed at almost everything they've tried to do

01:50:41.560 They are guiding the country along in a path that I don't like very much.

01:50:45.040 And I think there's lots of other people out there who don't like the path we're going on.

01:50:48.020 But they have popular support from a broad swath of people who tend to be enamored of their leader and of the relative safety and security, which they are sensing or getting.

01:51:04.060 And I think they're misplaced and they're wrong, but that's politics.

01:51:09.460 So what's going to happen? I don't know.

01:51:10.940 we'll see but i know that i'm going to try very hard to make sure that what's there now isn't

01:51:16.220 there after it not fair enough i believe i believe the old phrase was trust in god and keep your

01:51:22.220 powder dry it's yeah keep your powder dry absolutely and never ever give up your guns

01:51:30.460 never compromise on your freedoms and just stay true to your principles have principles and stick

01:51:36.380 to them don't don't feel you can just toss people under the bus and and and move along i mean that

01:51:42.460 it's it's it's all about principle it's about ideology it's about uh rights and freedoms and

01:51:49.120 doing the best thing yep the best that we can well we've been speaking to sheldon claire president

01:51:56.120 of the national firearms association we're so thankful to have him on today good friend of the

01:52:00.200 show good friend of mine uh we'll bring him back on in the not so distant future but thank you for

01:52:04.960 being here shal my pleasure nathan it's always good to be here thank you thank you so much well

01:52:11.280 uh that is the show we have for today i guess if i have any closing thoughts it's interesting how

01:52:16.960 many times uh things just kind of kept looping around to that fundamental question of of

01:52:22.000 representation uh freedom and and having having our democracy back having our government back

01:52:27.920 having having everything back and so i think that maybe one of the things we can kind of dwell on

01:52:34.560 here as a final conclusion is how are we going to take that back what kind of message are we

01:52:39.920 going to send how are we going to start not complying in the little ways that begin to build

01:52:45.600 up to the big ways that eventually just sends the message loud and clear that this isn't happening

01:52:50.160 anymore we're not going to take it anymore we're not going to take it you know we're not going to

01:52:53.680 take it no we're not going to take it anymore funnily enough of course that was uh twisted

01:52:59.680 sister back in i believe that was the 80s it was the early 90s we all remember this congressional

01:53:04.320 hearings and the fact the ACLU had to get involved, right? You know, try and explain why censorship

01:53:09.480 was bad and everything else. Here we are 30 years later and people on the left are the ones doing

01:53:13.940 the censorship and it's the people on the right that are trying to do, that are trying to do

01:53:17.680 something different. I think that that's where we kind of have to ground our hope in a brighter

01:53:25.780 future is that people are getting tired of it. People don't want to take this anymore. They want

01:53:30.780 a change. They want things to improve. And if enough of us do that at once, if enough of us

01:53:36.420 simply will not comply, will not obey, will begin living life as it was before the pandemic,

01:53:42.920 taking whatever cautions we have to, but being honest with ourselves that we know that this

01:53:47.740 isn't working. We know this is a fraud and we all need to just move on and chill out.

01:53:52.900 I think that there's a way forward there. I really do. So this has been Mountain Standard Time. I'm

01:53:58.680 very thankful for uh your attendance during this uh this period uh we'll throw up the email just

01:54:03.960 quickly as just a final reminder that uh you know we always want people to be brought on we want

01:54:09.980 your suggestions we want your comments your questions your concerns and and your encouragements

01:54:15.180 too uh you know it's sometimes sometimes it can be a bit a bit lonely in front of this camera and

01:54:21.800 stuff like that and you just gotta you just gotta keep rolling and try and figuring out what what

01:54:25.760 the next step is. Who am I going to call as my next

01:54:27.920 guest? What topic should be addressed

01:54:29.960 next? What should the opening

01:54:31.720 statement be about? I need suggestions.

01:54:34.260 I need suggestions. This is a team

01:54:35.800 effort. I can't do this all on my own.

01:54:37.720 I'm very thankful for my producer as well.

01:54:39.700 He does an incredible amount of work here. We'd be

01:54:41.600 nowhere without him. No questions at all.

01:54:44.040 And of course, the guests we've had over the

01:54:45.620 month and a bit now that we've been doing this.

01:54:48.080 But finally, I just want to say thank

01:54:49.780 you to all of you. Thank you for tuning in. And again,

01:54:52.220 shoot an email my way.

01:54:54.040 Let me know who you want brought on.

01:54:55.760 And just let us know how we're doing and how we can improve things.

01:54:58.800 That's what we want to hear.

01:54:59.640 We want to do what the viewers need us to do.

01:55:02.820 And we want to be transparent with you about what we're doing on our end.

01:55:06.680 That was Mountain Standard Time this Tuesday.

01:55:09.880 I believe it's May the 11th.

01:55:11.520 Get your census done because it's due today or don't.

01:55:16.360 And maybe that's your first act of noncompliance.

01:55:18.820 Figure that out.

01:55:19.960 But that was Mountain Standard Time.

01:55:21.560 I'm Nathan Gita.

01:55:22.420 Thank you so much for watching.

01:55:23.440 We'll see you again tomorrow.

01:55:25.760 Thank you.

Western Standard - May 12, 2021

Western Standard Time - May 11, 2021

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