00:02:28.100But we're going to begin, Corey, with a court victory for the independence movement.
00:02:34.100I guess in short, it is not a violation of Indigenous treaty rights to count the signatures of people who wanted an independence referendum, it seems.
00:02:44.740Yeah, I mean, it's bizarre that that even, you know, welcome to our courts, right? So it was, I guess, the first part of a bunch of appeals that are going through over the whole ruling from Justice Leonard. It shut down the petitioning just after it had 300 and some thousand signatures had been presented to Elections Alberta.
00:03:12.300So the recent ruling was a stay of that portion of the other ruling saying Elections Alberta is allowed to count and verify these signatures now.
00:03:22.760Because how on earth does that violate a treaty right, my lord?
00:03:26.800They've gotten into some detail and reading into things, treaty rights.
00:03:29.800But the rest of the injunction still kind of stands.
00:03:32.800The Premier can't schedule a referendum based on that question at this point, or Elections Alberta can't present the Premier with a suggestion to hold a referendum.
00:03:40.740That's still going through the appeals court, but it still is a big victory in a sense that a lot of questions have swirled around,
00:03:46.880whether the signatures are legitimate, whether improper use of electors' lists have been contributing to the signatures.
00:03:54.600So Elections Alberta can now start that process of vetting and checking and establishing whether those are valid.
00:04:00.920which will be a it's a big step forward uh josh the uh you know nenshi and some of uh i think
00:04:09.240kenny uh have more one way or another been going around saying uh you know hey well this whole
00:04:16.600independence thing is clearly uh legally fraught because it's um uh you know violating treaty
00:04:23.320rights that you've seen that more from the hard left side like nenshi and the ndp uh some federal
00:04:29.400liberal MPs um saying that uh you know right off the gate this is illegitimate because the courts
00:04:36.440say this violates First Nations rights that was always a bullshit uh line of argument but now that
00:04:44.320the courts have taken that away and it was always gonna take that away this is low-hanging fruit
00:04:48.540um you think this has but you know the referendum is already scheduled now which is this a government
00:04:54.100one it's effectively the citizen combination of the two citizens initiative uh referendum questions
00:04:58.980just combining them. That was going to happen, I think, one way or another anyway,
00:05:02.540but it's not technically citizens initiative. Referendum is happening anyway. But do you think
00:05:06.560this court ruling is going to have any measurable impact on the campaign for independence or
00:05:12.540federalism one way or another? Well, I think when it comes to the discussion, it's important to note
00:05:16.380that, you know, you want to see, especially on the independent side, the brakes moving your way.
00:05:22.320And I think this is a break in the right direction. I think once they actually start
00:05:26.000getting into the signatures and start verifying them if they find out that this is a legitimate
00:05:30.740process. This sounds like an ESPN answer. Thank you. You know, you got to get pucks on net.
00:05:36.360You got to get the brakes going your way. If you're watching TSN, I'm available. But yeah,
00:05:43.080no, it opens the door to dealing with what has been, I don't want to call it a damaging
00:05:48.620argument. I've always thought it was BS anyways, but to have the ability for the courts to verify
00:05:55.480these signatures and if once hopefully they get them verified i mean 300 000 signatures is quite
00:06:01.560a bit and and it'll strengthen the hand of the independence crowd and i think that's like i mean
00:06:06.500it's one of those things where in in moving forward and getting these votes you need to
00:06:10.800eliminate as many of these you know attacks as you can and and it is it's the fact that they're
00:06:17.320going around claiming that this is illegitimate because the courts have ruled that they can't
00:06:21.080even count or verify I think is is a little bit of a stretch like and again it begs the question
00:06:27.640and this is a serious constitutional conversation about how far the duty to consult goes is it you
00:06:34.940know like is it up to the proponents I noticed Corb Lund I don't think uh explicitly uh ever
00:06:40.700answered us with our questions about whether he got his uh stop the coal petition there or uh
00:06:47.360consulted with indigenous on that so pretty sure he did no yeah so i mean it it how far does this
00:06:54.720go is it directed at one um i would have liked to see the lucasic petition also go through the court
00:07:00.780process um i'd like to see if the standard would have applied to that as well i mean it's it's the
00:07:05.960same concept right i mean it's a question you know it's an independence question at the end of the
00:07:10.140day so yeah I think but uh at the end of the day when it comes to uh four guys like Corey uh for
00:07:18.460Keith Wilson and let Alberta decide and other groups I think it's it's a good step in the
00:07:22.960right direction I just hope it it comes out clean I hope that none of the salted names from the
00:07:28.200elections Alberta list end up uh on the petition list I know elections Alberta is going to be
00:07:33.660looking for that uh so I don't I'm hoping that that isn't the case but that's where I want to go
00:07:38.640yeah my question to david um so the uh one of the bizarre lines of attack against the independence
00:07:49.360campaign uh from some of the federalists has been um well this centurion project david parker thing
00:07:56.920that is alleged uh you know not proven but is alleged to have used uh you know improperly
00:08:05.340obtain lists from Elections Alberta, and they knew that because, yeah, there was these salted
00:08:08.940names on it. If that's true or not, they have been alleging, I think, much less credibly that,
00:08:18.040you know, the Centurion Project was just taking those names and somehow putting them on to
00:08:24.260the Independence Citizens Initiative petition. Now that we're going to get the signatures
00:08:33.320verified. And it's kind of a moot point because we're just having the referendum anyway. Although
00:08:38.280it's semi-moot point because it's a different referendum question. It's a clear, cleaner
00:08:42.060question. But those names and signatures are now going to be verified by Elections Alberta
00:08:47.740rigorously. You can bet they're not going to give it a pass. You know, this now means very likely
00:08:55.700Elections Alberta is going to go through these and likely conclude that, yes, these are legitimate
00:09:02.380bonafide signatures this is valid has legal standing and no this was not the centurion project
00:09:09.240copying and pasting from the electors list to it uh that is likely i think to take away that line
00:09:17.320of argument from the other side that literally everything is a conspiracy from the centurion
00:09:21.820project well that's what i was wondering because that was kind of my thing just my conspiracy
00:09:25.180theory mind because i was mitch sylvester said they had nothing to do with the centurion project
00:09:29.840for the most part and they've talked about all the stuff they had to do for the signatures for
00:09:34.240them like i think they had to give what like ads or physical addresses etc etc had to have like
00:09:38.120photo id so i think that maybe in stay free alberta's mind and mitch's mind all well maybe
00:09:44.220not all 300 000 signatures they have arvel but i was just wondering what would happen
00:09:48.100if they had nothing to do with centurion project and they somehow out of the 3 000 that they say
00:09:54.620are verified signatures they got less than 178 000 this is just my conspiracy theory mind going
00:09:59.660on here what do you think would happen then because if they had no part of the centurion
00:10:03.200project the way you think there might be some sort of shenanigans from somebody shall we say
00:10:07.860about them maybe getting less than the needed ballots if they're verified i so i i think you
00:10:12.360know the general agree the general uh the um the common answer is generally you need a 10 percent
00:10:20.960buffer at least yeah i think it was 178 000 or something yeah but you should generally have a
00:10:24.24010 percent buffer uh for any of these things if you're trying to run as a candidate in an alberto
00:10:29.100a federal election you need you know like 100 signatures for people in the constituency so you
00:10:32.780get 110 because some of them yeah the address is going to be wrong or it's illegible or you know
00:10:37.740various reasons to not count that signature so you need a buffer of 10 to be safe yeah uh i was gonna
00:10:43.580say even if they got 200 000 that are verified it's still still i mean you would complain that
00:10:48.780there's like well we say we had 300 000 so what happened to maybe another 50 000 that we think
00:10:53.340should have been verified do you think there's going to be any controversy with that i don't
00:10:56.140think so like people are forgetting the lucasics petition about 30 000 were taken off of his after
00:11:01.660he submitted for those sorts of reasons that people ill uh you can read it or it was out of
00:11:05.500profits it's par for the course to have something removed and just so people know like the process
00:11:11.340how elections alberta does they're not going to check all 300 000 what they'll do is a a large
00:11:16.460sampling they'll phone some people say do you think they will for this ground though no they
00:11:20.860already say that it's a process of uh i mean a significant sampling unless they see more
00:11:27.180issues to make them go deeper but if they're going to take say 10 which is still massive
00:11:30.380we're talking 30 000 yeah and you start calling some people you compare them with lists you look
00:11:35.020for duplicates you uh of course they're going to look for the salted names that'll be a quick
00:11:41.580but and they'll try to check them all for that but i'm talking the degree of of uh you know
00:11:46.060following up and checking on these. And then if they find an error rate that is disproportionate
00:11:52.100or too far, like typically they will apply the error rate they found to the rest of the signatures.
00:11:56.680If they find a bunch of duplicates though, or if they've called a number of people who said,
00:12:00.740I never signed that or things like that, then they're going to investigate further. But
00:12:04.620having seen the petitioning gone out to some of those stations, as you said,
00:12:08.560they were demanding people bring identification. They were sending people home if they had just
00:12:14.100box numbers a lot of rural people do saying you got to get a phone bill like they were being
00:12:17.400meticulous i i just find it very hard to believe that volunteers that were trying that hard and
00:12:22.100working that hard would have falsified yeah i i saw these people it was yeah it was uh not just
00:12:28.900sign here and move on no no it was meticulous and i think we saw that from both the referendum
00:12:34.420petitions the the forever canada one and the state free alberta one both of them were doing that so
00:12:40.160So I imagine it's going to go forward.
00:12:44.380But I think this will take an important talking point away
00:12:48.000from the Federalists that, no, this was legitimate.
00:13:10.160And that is just completely grossly unfair, at least to have it counted.
00:13:15.300I mean, if there was something in there, we'll all be critical of it.
00:13:17.880But to try and call for that to be chucked out before even checking on it.
00:13:21.920So if this comes out clean, I mean, not that Nishi will care,
00:13:24.740but they've got a very much in-your-face Nishi sort of thing.
00:13:27.100Yeah, and from my standpoint, too, and going back, if TSN is watching,
00:13:31.660I'm about to make a sports analogy, but it's the equivalent of getting
00:13:34.900an injured player back middle of the season, right?
00:13:37.280Like you've got, you know, it's, you've got a situation where a big aspect of this movement was the signature collection process and building that grassroots movement, which, you know, powers that be have decided to, you know, use the courts and so on and so forth to try and minimize that.
00:13:55.620and what you'll get it once they're verified is you get that back right you get like a whole bunch
00:14:01.900of people that probably felt as if their their work was not worth anything that might be reactivated
00:14:09.080into this movement a lot of people that when the story broke about the centurion project that
00:14:13.640walked away might come back right so it to me like i said it's the equivalent of getting an
00:14:18.140injured player back middle of the middle of the season and also let's remember uh i i can't say
00:14:23.980is definitively on the Federalist Lukasik side,
00:15:52.880You know, that excitement that he had been really able to build from his leadership campaign on, really until the resignation of Justin Trudeau, he lost it.
00:16:03.040And he's not been able, he was criticized for not being able to pivot from affordability issues towards the boogeyman of Trump.
00:16:10.620And I know whatever you think of the seriousness of the boogeyman of Trump, it had the concern of enough voters that it obviously mattered for the election materially, was not able to pivot into that.
00:16:19.720But the issues have continued to evolve. Now you've got mass migration as front and center for huge numbers of people. You've got culture of Canada itself at risk, all of these things. And he seems to still be on the affordability issue.
00:16:41.540Not that affordability has gone away as an issue, it continues to get worse.
00:16:44.720But he reshuffled his cabinet, his shadow cabinet, you know, the main front line of critics on his front bench today, yesterday.
00:16:54.520And he says, this is the, this new shadow cabinet is the affordability shadow cabinet.
00:16:58.840Its priorities are affordability, affordability, affordability.
00:17:02.480Okay, it's a big issue, but it's really missing a lot of the elephant in the room.
00:17:08.800I still don't think he's found his mojo data.
00:17:11.540i yeah you know i i think we've been saying this for a while i mean after trudeau was gone what
00:17:17.440did he really have to be honest because when carney comes in carney can basically maybe just
00:17:21.000take some of the stuff he's talked about like you know what why do we do some of that and then
00:17:24.120everyone just praises carney i just you know they've been going down in the polls a bit and
00:17:28.860i've always said and i've said this before i think it has to do with a lot of people don't like
00:17:32.540pauliev personally there's some seems to be something from a lot of people i've talked to
00:17:36.340not even conservatives but liberals as well that they just seem to not there's something about him
00:17:40.900they don't like person they might agree like yeah affordability is an issue but like you said he's
00:17:44.600never talking about the elephant in the room which we've said in the past I think is immigration
00:17:47.940because that goes to a lot of things housing crime affordability etc that he does not want to touch
00:17:53.240and I just don't really see a path forward for him to be honest with you but then I'm thinking
00:17:59.260the conservatives are probably looking at and going well if we get rid of him who are we going
00:18:02.680to replace him with and just you know how many months ago was the conservative convention in
00:18:06.420calgary the national one yeah yeah he got like what and what was it 80 was it 86 or 87 percent
00:18:14.340approval rate so there's still a fair amount of the party that's behind him but i mean just going
00:18:18.780forward and getting voters i don't have a clue how he's going to do that even going forward because
00:18:22.600now if he switches over to immigration or starts talking about that more well i think there's some
00:18:26.700people are going to be saying well where have you been for the last like six months to a year
00:18:29.700and then again like i said if carney decides to be like well we're going to start reshuffling our
00:18:33.480immigration policy then what's he gonna do you know so i think it might be a little too little
00:18:37.160too late for paulia as a whole but i don't see how his numbers are going to go back up unless
00:18:40.640carney totally bottles it somehow well the conservatives cory have been afraid of their
00:18:46.200shadow on immigration forever i mean it was traditionally it was a shield issue there was
00:18:51.100a defensive issue for conservatives because oh we don't want to get called racists and all of this
00:18:55.760and that's been the case really in most western democratic countries for a very long time
00:19:01.640But in every country in the West where the right is ascendant, it is due in at least very large measure or primarily due to them seizing the immigration question.
00:19:17.680You have Reform UK and possibly to an extent Restore UK as well.
00:19:27.260uh trump republicans although they've got softer in the last six months or so but uh but at least
00:19:34.020rhetorically they're still strong on it um everywhere now all what what all of those
00:19:39.240have in common is that they're new insurgent parties and in the case of the republicans you
00:19:43.940know it's an insurgent president who took over the establishment but in the uk and germany and
00:19:48.200france these are all insert they're not the traditional conservative center-right parties
00:19:53.000These are insurgent, new disruptor parties that have taken over.
00:19:59.760And Canada is an outlier in that there is no major party talking about migration, at least in a big way.
00:20:08.360It's a topic now, and the Conservatives and even the Liberals are more comfortable talking about restrictions on this more than they were, you know, say two years ago, obviously.
00:20:17.700The Overton window is moving faster and anyone can chase it.
00:20:20.800But none of the parties have gotten anywhere close to the Overdome window.
00:20:24.380And I think this is a real risk for Polyev that he is still very much afraid of this issue.
00:20:31.300He's touching it now, but he's just poking it.
00:20:35.440I think sometimes they've got to find out and realize, guess what?
00:20:38.140They're going to call him a racist anyway.
00:34:08.280else hey for the record there is a photo of him and epstein i'm just getting some college
00:34:13.400flashbacks you know he thought it was a regular party honest
00:34:20.760i was only the ditty party for the buffet it was a hollywood buffet yeah pizza okay well i'm trying
00:34:28.600to keep this pg yeah this is again my fault i mean it is a symptom of just how extreme and ridiculous
00:34:34.360and obscene these parades have gotten that it lends itself to all of this to be honest if it was
00:34:40.040a pride event of the 90s when it was just gay people out you know being a bit flamboyant but
00:34:46.520certainly not perverse like that and everything they didn't have to be nude and everything then
00:34:50.900it would be pretty rude to crack down and expand on it but if it's going to be the fetishists of
00:34:55.580the weirdos yeah of the fringe sorry you're open game and i don't think anybody should and to be
00:35:01.320serious for a second like this is a like these types of events are should be considered a black
00:35:06.080mark for the entire community like i if i was like if i was in the community and i was being
00:35:13.380and i was being you know like that membership never inspires i hope yeah josh you do it once
00:35:21.100you're always there never never once in college no josh will try anything once
00:35:27.780but like it's just one of those things where it makes it difficult for them to advance their own
00:35:34.740cause when like i mean ctv news which never covers the worst parts of it like the only clip of the
00:35:41.480naked guy and i'm sure we'll see it that was accidental it was accidental like some guy
00:35:45.280walking through and i in production uh josh's request uh show the pedophiles flashing their
00:35:51.060junk yeah i need a spotlight on myself too yeah uh yeah i mean you know you used the word community
00:35:57.680i don't think it is a community because like you talk to like just gay dudes or lesbians
00:36:03.500overwhelming they're like yeah we don't have to do with the families and people uh with gender
00:36:11.460dysmorphia like these are whole other things so i don't mean to be pedantic with you but like
00:36:16.640it's not a community anymore it's most like normal gay people i know they don't like a lot of them
00:36:25.320used to like it yes but like it's weird yeah fetishists i mean the straight community has
00:36:32.040fetishists too i mean you know if there was some parade and some straight guys running around and
00:36:35.880nipple clamps and other weird bizarre stuff it's not representative of the rest of the straight
00:36:40.680people around it's the fringe but that's what's happened with this parade yeah and it's got to be
00:36:46.040embarrassing i think that's what i was gonna say too like it's just peak degeneracy now you're
00:36:49.800saying about the 90s remember like back in the 90s there was all those christian groups and the
00:36:53.160the soccer moms are like oh it's a slippery slope they were kind of right about that in hindsight
00:36:57.780and they didn't seem very cool at the time but in hindsight it's like like they were kind of
00:37:02.640maybe some of this was okay but it's one thing to you know tolerance of people being themselves
00:37:09.240is one thing but now we need to celebrate the weirdest fetish you could possibly have publicly
00:37:17.000like yeah whatever happened you know you know like you know it used to be we don't care about
00:37:21.000what you do behind closed doors between consenting adults they open the doors but now we voyagerism
00:37:25.520now if you're a public official and you don't actively celebrate someone's niche degenerate
00:37:31.840fetish and i believe in your right to have a niche degenerate fetish as long as it's consensual
00:37:35.920it doesn't involve kids but now you you are required now to celebrate someone's niche
00:37:41.540degenerate fetish i don't know for degeneracy uh of various kinds but like uh but things are
00:37:50.400changing the pendulum is swinging um sometimes possibly sometimes not i mean support for same
00:37:55.680sex marriage is down very significantly in canada states much of western and central europe
00:38:01.200it's down and i don't think it's because people no longer think gay people should be allowed to
00:38:05.600get married i think it's very broadly accepted it's that these other weird groups have attached
00:38:11.440themselves to mainstream just gay and lesbian or bi people keep up with the letters of all the
00:38:16.080the fetishes now what they are and what's the acronym I don't I'm not I won't try $10 if any
00:38:21.260of you can just do it right now M-M-O-G actually I think he missed the two I think it starts yeah
00:38:29.120a couple of I's and S's plus a spelling bee Josh is racist wait yeah I guess
00:38:40.440um yeah i mean it's this it's it's it's brought down support overall but you know the positive
00:38:50.500side is this would have been a national scandal for polio to not go march with pedophiles um
00:38:58.340uh just a few years ago and today he's like no and i know doug ford was still there because
00:39:05.100that's just what doug ford does if there's a vote to be had he'll go for it no matter what
00:39:08.440um but probably was just not going he didn't really give his reasons just said not part of
00:39:13.300my plans i'd like more but you know good enough i mean that is uh you know i think uh uh jamil
00:39:20.280uh javani javani um he um here oh just put put his tweet up no canadian politician would have
00:39:28.900said that three years ago no uh so that you know and everyone's like racist sexist homosexual
00:39:34.600to his credit he seems not to give a shit so the world is i mean it's on fire but there's there's
00:39:42.120green shoots that it's healing that people have been pushed way too far this stuff is extreme
00:39:46.680it's very clear that there's no end point where we can say okay this group this group is now
00:39:51.980treated with respect and is treated fairly and this is fine and let's put a bow on it move on
00:39:57.100it is never enough but the fact that that like the pride organizers which are the just we'll just say
00:40:03.140the elites within the community don't see this as a problem i think is emblem emblematic of like
00:40:09.060issues within the community a lack of good judgment on what's the self-awareness family
00:40:16.900because they've been bailing i mean they were 700 000 short the corporate spots
00:40:22.180like we're not giving into this just a few years ago every corporation was falling over itself to
00:40:29.060paint itself in the nude trans colors and change their logo every year like your bank needed to be
00:40:35.300gay if your bank wasn't gay it was racist you know everyone was falling over each over themselves
00:40:41.780and there's just been this cultural backlash and it's not against gay people no no one gives a
00:40:45.940it's against the guys walking around naked at a parade that children are at and the fact the
00:40:51.140media mainstream media is not reporting on it the fact that people are seeing this stuff on their
00:40:55.860social media feed thinking i'm glad i wasn't there you know like it's it's it it is a i don't want
00:41:03.060to call it a difficult position but it's it it's damaging to the entire movement and i can imagine
00:41:10.340a lot of people that are within the community that are upstanding respectful citizens they
00:41:14.820don't like seeing it but they're the ones that have to stand up and stop it like they're the
00:41:18.740ones that have to say this is hurting me in the community you know this this really reminds me um
00:41:24.340I talked to a gay friend of mine today, said essentially that, and I talked to, at least you two know who this person is, this is an Indian friend of mine, I haven't seen this person in a couple years, but I just, I was riding through a part of downtown Calgary on my motorbike, and just saw this person, stopped, this person is Indian, but born in Canada, assimilated is not even a right term, this person is super Albertan, but this person is of Indian descent, and this person says,
00:41:54.340i'm actually leaving canada in a few weeks just gonna move the states caribbean move around and
00:41:59.140stuff and the biggest reason this person said was indian immigration
00:42:04.400she says it's making us look bad like we're hyper hyper integrated and successful and have
00:42:13.100contributed to canada contributed to alberta and this is making us look bad i don't like what
00:42:18.960they're doing and i don't like also the blowback i'm getting and i'm even i'm not angry at the
00:42:23.640people giving me the blowback i'm just angry i have to get it because of this crap's going on
00:42:27.420uh normal gay people normal well assimilated migrants both of them are getting shit now
00:42:35.500from things going too far extreme in these ways yeah it hurts the people like i mean a lot of my
00:42:41.680friends are either first or second generation canadians that came here like lethbridge i've
00:42:46.580got a lot of friends down there that you know came they assimilated they started businesses
00:42:50.440left bridge dutch don't count no they're uh i think lebanese but uh you know like it was just
00:42:55.160like it's one of those things where there's so many like alberta throughout our history we've had
00:43:00.680large segments of immigrants coming here seeking opportunity and the opportunities
00:43:04.680that this province can provide and and when you get immigration levels and the type of
00:43:09.800imports that we're getting it it damages you know it damages them in the community a bit so yeah
00:43:16.840all right uh all right we're time for time we got to go to parting shots we're going to be
00:43:20.120real quick here uh you're a veteran you go first i'll just make a quick plug then i mean we got a
00:43:24.140barbecue and some other stuff coming up this week uh and a debate which i'll let derek expand on
00:43:29.540and tomorrow i'll be in mirror at alberton's day uh the whistle stop if people are looking for
00:43:34.040something to do on july 1st all right david this is really a parting shop and i'm really curious
00:43:40.020to see what the pipeline proposal is going to be uh daniel smith is going to be making an
00:43:43.380announcement on thursday i'm just curious to see what route they're going to be choosing as well
00:43:46.960i mean there's still the oil tanker ban there's still the whole thing with the pathways project
00:43:51.540and there's still no private proponents so it's going to be very interesting to see what happens
00:43:54.520from here all right josh all right uh yeah like uh cory was saying we have the western standard
00:43:59.360barbecue coming up uh if you want to show up and buy water balloons you can throw them at derrick
00:44:03.880i am i've already bought a few so uh they're on pre-sale and uh yeah we're gonna have a special
00:44:09.180guest we can't announce it quite yet we've got a very special guest water balloons right now
00:44:15.740before we announce a special guest so that we sell as many as we can so that we can hit him
00:44:19.580with his money the price will go up this is i did not agree even if you want to throw a water
00:44:24.620balloon at me i imagine a lot of you are going to want to throw them at this special guest which we
00:44:28.700can't announce yet it's going to be great but yeah what details of the barbecue yeah july 8 14