Western Standard - Why is the PPC supporting Alberta independence？

00:00:00.000 G'day and welcome to the Pipeline.

00:00:28.100 Today is August 13th, 2025.

00:00:31.320 I'm Derek Phil DeBrant, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.

00:00:36.000 I'm joined, as usual, by Western Standard Senior Alberta Columnist, Corey Morgan.

00:00:41.700 And already back out of retirement is former Western Standard opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.

00:00:47.780 Just couldn't stay away, Derek.

00:00:49.060 No, we had your retirement party on Friday.

00:00:53.600 It's Wednesday, and you're back already.

00:00:55.840 So you just kind of had a long weekend, and you're already out of retirement.

00:00:59.680 Well, it's going to be a lot of long weekends, isn't it?

00:01:02.260 Because I'm just coming in to do pipeline every now and then, so every week, actually.

00:01:06.760 Yeah.

00:01:07.180 Confirmative to the auto article.

00:01:08.720 So good to be back.

00:01:09.960 We couldn't let you go completely.

00:01:11.740 So, yeah, you're going to be back, still doing the pipeline with us.

00:01:14.580 Your show, Hannaford, is going to continue on,

00:01:16.960 and your passionate pen will continue to grace our pages with your column at least once a week here.

00:01:23.300 Since we're talking about the passionate pen and the column,

00:01:28.160 don't forget to check in with Hannaford tomorrow,

00:01:29.880 and we've got Jaroslav Baran explaining some of the nonsense in Eastern Canada.

00:01:35.440 There's always a lot of material there.

00:01:37.480 Never fails.

00:01:38.640 Okay.

00:01:39.340 Well, we're going to be talking about why the People's Party of Canada,

00:01:46.640 note the last part of the name on that party,

00:01:48.100 The People's Party of Canada has endorsed the yes side in the expected upcoming, at some point, not yet set, Alberta referendum on independence.

00:01:59.880 So why is a federal political party, ostensibly dedicated to Canada, supporting a referendum on a part of that country, leaving it?

00:02:10.560 It's a head-scratcher. We'll talk about it.

00:02:12.180 uh everyone already knows i'm sure uh everyone listening watching knows about uh nova scotia's

00:02:20.640 ban on walking in the forest or going fishing uh but there's been a new development on that front

00:02:29.780 uh the fire the ban on hiking and fishing because fishing on the water might create a forest fire

00:02:38.240 uh that ban no longer applies uh as long as you they ask first to first nations natives so now

00:02:49.800 i guess the ban on fishing and hiking in nova scotia is going to be racially based we'll talk

00:02:55.420 about it uh but first we're going to start with mass migration mania uh the floodgates of mass

00:03:05.920 migration have been thrown wide open in Canada. Over the last five years, we already had mass 1.00

00:03:11.720 migration to quite, yeah, we already had mass migration for a long time before it, but then the

00:03:16.940 gates were just thrown completely open five years, five, six years ago. Mark Carney, as a part of his

00:03:24.280 campaign to reassure the Canadian people, said that he is not Justin Trudeau, said he's going to bring

00:03:30.100 those numbers down we have a report from black locks reporters on our pages today that um the

00:03:38.240 cap he has put in is uh well they're not really living up to the cap the the borders continue to

00:03:45.740 be porous mass migration continues unabated night they don't even know how many people they've got

00:03:50.900 you know a lot of people have uh just sort of you just intuitively know if the immigration is

00:03:56.720 taking off like a rocket or what what's the sense of that there was a time when you had to be highly

00:04:01.640 qualified to come to canada at all that's 50 years ago 25 years ago we've got a lot of family

00:04:08.720 reunification again you could see why you could make the case somebody wants to bring members of

00:04:14.760 their family and so they can enjoy the benefits they've uh they've been experiencing themselves

00:04:19.240 in canada all of those things made sense and around about 200 000 people a year would come in

00:04:25.820 Then it just took off, and I think after a lot of years,

00:04:30.200 when it was 400,000 and 500,000 during the first years of Mr. Trudeau's reign,

00:04:36.640 we hit a million new people in Canada.

00:04:40.480 Not a million new Canadians who had all gone through the sausage machine, 0.70

00:04:44.620 but just people here.

00:04:46.080 They were either students on working visas or people brought in to work. 0.62

00:04:51.900 And the numbers just shot at me.

00:04:54.780 think well why would they do that the answer is that nothing else that mr trudeau was doing

00:05:01.740 economically was working but having all these people coming in finding a place to live buying

00:05:08.300 food buying cars buying gas gave the false impression of a prosperous growth within

00:05:15.800 canada but of course the downside of it as we all know uh at the housing market first the rental

00:05:22.920 market. And people started asking questions. Now, Mr. Carney was asked a question during

00:05:29.540 his campaign. He said, look, we've got to get a grip on this thing. But the story this

00:05:33.300 morning is we haven't got a grip on it. Let's just read you what we said. The immigration

00:05:37.620 levels in the first third of the year, this year, outpaced Prime Minister Mark Carney's

00:05:45.400 promised cap on quotas, figures released by the Department of Immigration for the first

00:05:50.620 120 days of this year

00:05:53.060 Indicate that we will

00:05:55.280 Exceed 400,000 immigrants

00:05:57.200 In 2025

00:05:58.920 That's more than Mr. Carney

00:06:01.460 Promised

00:06:02.460 So the system is not working

00:06:03.980 And the why of it

00:06:06.200 I don't think it's changed

00:06:08.140 I think it gives the federal government

00:06:10.760 The illusion of prosperity and busyness

00:06:13.380 They like that

00:06:14.420 I partially agree with Nigel

00:06:17.300 On the why

00:06:18.440 Partially

00:06:20.320 But I think it's, and we see this in Western countries everywhere, I think it's more than just trying to juice the overall gross national product, gross national product here.

00:06:37.260 I think it's trying to stack the electorate, because the progress of this worldview is that so-called old-stock Canadians are reactionary, they're not sufficiently progressive, they're racist, gun-owning, vaccine-hesitant, etc.

00:06:56.000 You know, add whatever epithets you want to it.

00:06:59.020 I think it's, in their view, a way of also, in the long term, intentionally changing the demographic and therefore electoral makeup of the country.

00:07:10.760 I mean, that's a bit more taboo to get into, but hell, for at least just standard, we can say what we want here.

00:07:18.080 I think it's both.

00:07:19.560 I don't think it's just artificially juicing the GDP numbers.

00:07:23.740 it's, I think it's an

00:07:25.540 intentional

00:07:26.320 policy, intentioned

00:07:30.080 and designed to change the

00:07:31.860 makeup of Canada. No, I agree.

00:07:33.780 It's both. I think

00:07:35.080 I'm thinking this began more, though, is that juicing

00:07:37.800 of the economy. It's a lazy way to do it.

00:07:39.720 I mean, they only ever had one economic

00:07:41.700 measure they could keep pointing to. Look how our GDP

00:07:43.520 is growing. Never GDP for capital.

00:07:45.220 Not GDP for capital, because yeah, your pie

00:07:47.600 is growing, but the people eating it are outpacing

00:07:49.900 the growth of the pie.

00:07:51.820 But the political ramifications

00:07:53.480 absolutely. I mean, we look at a recent

00:07:55.800 thing, too, where the government put out a big invitation

00:07:57.720 when he's saying he's going to be controlling

00:07:59.660 this, and he's saying, oh, by the way, everybody

00:08:01.760 invite your grandparents and your parents to

00:08:03.660 come over now. We know what kind of economic

00:08:05.680 benefit is that? That's going to pressure the healthcare 1.00

00:08:07.600 system further. That's going to, you know, all of our

00:08:09.720 systems are housing the rest.

00:08:11.720 But what it will do is make

00:08:13.580 some of those new Canadians very happy. They're

00:08:15.540 reunited with their family, and they're hoping

00:08:17.580 anyways that gratitude is going to be expressed at

00:08:19.680 the ballot box. So

00:08:21.260 So I think there's very much a political element to it.

00:08:24.100 I mean, the new Canadians coming over might not have citizenship and time to vote, 1.00

00:08:28.620 but the families they're reuniting with will, and they want to keep that block.

00:08:34.400 I mean, they were pretty blunt about that.

00:08:36.740 I can't remember which minister it was or which liberal it was

00:08:38.820 when they were asked about why are you taking this particular stance

00:08:41.400 on, again, one of the things in the Middle East.

00:08:43.460 This is, well, you know, how many Jews there are in my riding

00:08:45.340 versus how many Muslims are in my riding.

00:08:47.540 Yeah, you know.

00:08:49.700 So, unfortunately, it ties very much into their electability and building the demographic they think they need to build to win.

00:08:57.160 Well, as you're saying, I mean, like now, Canada's foreign policy is not dictated by what is in the Canadian national interest.

00:09:05.060 It is, and foreign policy in all democratic countries has to keep an eye on domestic opinion.

00:09:10.780 But domestic opinion is changing with mass migrate, unrestricted mass migration from around the world.

00:09:16.360 And that means even more so than in a normal country, you know, our foreign policy is dictated by, you know, which diaspora population are we able to please or not aggravate, etc. 0.54

00:09:34.120 A diaspora politics is in large, pretty much runs our foreign policy at this point.

00:09:40.900 it has nothing to do at this point

00:09:45.060 with what's in the national interest now

00:09:46.340 yeah I think that's a fair comment

00:09:48.540 and I think that's been going along for a long time

00:09:50.780 to your point about

00:09:52.420 bringing in people

00:09:55.060 who can be relied upon to vote liberal

00:09:56.940 that is

00:09:59.020 probably what the liberals are

00:10:00.980 thinking because the liberals

00:10:02.920 like to work through community

00:10:04.980 organizers and they talk to one person

00:10:07.100 and he goes out and tells

00:10:09.220 the community which doesn't speak english very well these are the people you need to vote for 1.00

00:10:13.380 the liberals like to do it that way i don't think put these people in the conservatives play that

00:10:17.060 game too all parties do but and here's the thing uh during the the harper years what we discovered

00:10:24.660 was that a lot of immigrants come from socially conservative countries the philippines pakistan

00:10:31.780 um india and they're not coming here because they like the social policies that the liberals are

00:10:39.040 pushing that's very much the business of white atheists to to promote those policies if they 0.50

00:10:45.120 vote liberal it's in spite of those policies not because of them what they're coming here for is a

00:10:49.920 better life and the fact that they can bring their their parents so it's not quite as impenetrable

00:10:55.960 as I had assumed before I went to Ottawa.

00:10:59.340 I mean, it's...

00:11:01.000 Jason Kenney did very well

00:11:04.220 at what you're calling diaspora politics.

00:11:06.540 Well, there really was that one election

00:11:09.300 with the Harper majority in 2011

00:11:11.380 where they were successful in diaspora politics.

00:11:15.760 At least in negating the liberal advantage in it.

00:11:18.520 They had to do a lot for it.

00:11:21.180 But that was kind of a one-off.

00:11:22.580 In general, it does trend to progressivist, leftist parties,

00:11:25.960 and i think you know big part is you know they're relying on leftist identity politics

00:11:36.500 victim hierarchies saying okay well you might come from country xyz where you may have a more

00:11:42.620 traditional view of the family unit etc but here in canada you're a victim uh and here here's you

00:11:50.480 know add up your different here's your point system add up your victim level um and therefore

00:11:55.940 you belong with us and i mean it doesn't work on all obviously there's not always french fries

00:12:02.660 isn't it yeah but but it does work to a pretty extensive degree especially um beyond just the

00:12:09.080 social policies you know like if you have a traditional view of family etc it uh you know

00:12:15.860 diaspora politics is also money we're going to give you know some money for you to help build

00:12:21.200 xyz cultural center for your people and that that has created a bidding war in all of the parties

00:12:27.340 on the left and the right the right does this too now because they have to politically to to be

00:12:31.940 competitive at all in many constituencies in alberta uh and anywhere in canada to be competitive

00:12:37.280 you have to engage in this bidding war of diaspora politics you got to show up and eat the food do

00:12:42.660 the dance, bow to the right thing. It's a dangerous dance too, though. And we're starting to see that

00:12:48.560 now that we're hitting a tipping point of such large segments of these populations. Diaspora,

00:12:53.600 again, yeah, they're escaping those areas. But look at the Kalistani Hindu mess going on. And 1.00

00:13:00.620 there are very large, significant, politically active populations on both sides of that issue.

00:13:06.580 And it's very politically dangerous waters to wade into. And the liberals have been good at

00:13:11.940 kind of playing both sides, but

00:13:13.660 it can blow up really badly on you with that

00:13:16.100 It dictates our foreign politics 0.82

00:13:17.760 our foreign policy, like our entire relationship

00:13:20.160 with India has nothing 1.00

00:13:21.760 has very little to do with what's in our national

00:13:24.100 interest on trade, on security, etc

00:13:26.060 It has to do with

00:13:27.420 diaspora politics between the Sikhs and the Hindus

00:13:30.100 That's the whole thing

00:13:31.480 Like, you know, giving a cold shoulder to Modi

00:13:33.620 This is a massive trading partner

00:13:36.100 for us, this is a great new

00:13:37.900 developing market

00:13:38.940 The liberals have come to the realization that

00:13:41.940 within Canada, the Sikh

00:13:43.580 voter base

00:13:45.880 is significantly more important than the Hindu 0.98

00:13:47.960 voter base. Therefore,

00:13:50.000 you're going to take shots at Modi, who's a

00:13:52.100 Hinduist, you know,

00:13:54.020 not perceived as that friendly towards the Sikhs.

00:13:55.940 And meanwhile, we lose out on

00:13:58.060 potentially billions in trade. They're sacrificing

00:14:00.160 our economic well-being for their bloody

00:14:01.780 partisanship. I mean, that's...

00:14:04.060 Meanwhile, we don't actually

00:14:05.980 know with any certainty

00:14:07.660 how many immigrants 0.56

00:14:09.740 we have in Canada

00:14:11.340 and what their status is.

00:14:13.460 How many have come in?

00:14:14.780 We don't even know how many.

00:14:15.920 We know how many have come in,

00:14:17.820 but we have no idea if they're still here.

00:14:20.020 There they are.

00:14:20.680 Once they're here,

00:14:21.440 there's the honor system when it's,

00:14:22.860 oh, your visa's up,

00:14:23.620 we expect you just purchased a ticket

00:14:25.200 and went home, right?

00:14:26.140 Yeah.

00:14:27.140 Don't think many do.

00:14:28.660 No, it's not looking that way.

00:14:30.640 And that's part of the problem

00:14:31.600 when you have insular communities like that,

00:14:35.680 actually, when it comes based on that,

00:14:38.100 because that's how undocumented 0.89

00:14:39.340 or people who aren't legal

00:14:40.780 can manage to maintain within a country

00:14:42.700 because if they stay in the tight community, you can find

00:14:44.680 ways to keep working.

00:14:46.600 It's complicated.

00:14:47.980 So we've put this cap on, or Carney's put this cap

00:14:50.820 on, which was still an extraordinarily

00:14:52.840 high cap.

00:14:54.720 I mean, to be fair,

00:14:57.140 Pryor Polyev in the election

00:14:58.560 called for a cap as well,

00:15:00.660 lowering our cap.

00:15:03.180 But it was still also

00:15:04.440 extraordinarily high.

00:15:07.320 Neither party

00:15:08.240 seemed particularly interested, probably

00:15:10.580 for reasons of diaspora politics to get serious about controlling mass unrestricted mass migration

00:15:17.280 well uh to be fair we've now missed even the cap there's one other area though and there are

00:15:22.320 elements of the business community particularly say in the service area and such where they

00:15:26.860 wanted temporary foreign workers because they've been having a difficult time finding affordable

00:15:31.560 local business loves this and it drives down the cost of labor uh you know below levels that you

00:15:39.320 Otherwise, lower-income, working-class Canadians are willing to do. 0.97

00:15:42.620 You're going to bring in people who are happy to work at that level,

00:15:45.240 and it undercuts our lower working class.

00:15:47.840 This loves it.

00:15:49.040 It's another aspect of the incentives for the Liberals to continue to talk big

00:15:53.220 but do nothing when it comes to this.

00:15:55.240 You know, there's more to be said on that subject.

00:15:58.800 People say, well, you know, they take the immigrants 1.00

00:16:01.540 because the immigrants have a higher work ethic than, you know,

00:16:04.720 the Canadian-born kids of whatever race they may come from.

00:16:08.360 and there's some truth to that however there is also a very strong ethnic

00:16:15.460 preference in hiring so if you have somebody from this community who's got a

00:16:20.080 business he tends to look for people of his own kind for them to work and it is

00:16:25.960 resulting in Canadian young people born in Canada having much more difficulty

00:16:32.080 in finding part-time work summer jobs and things like that because they're all

00:16:36.780 the jobs are all going to like little hiring halls that are ethically based yeah and i can

00:16:43.520 understand that i mean you're you know you're you're you know say new or relatively new to

00:16:47.840 here you establish a business part of your your social support network maybe yeah there's government

00:16:54.220 stuff but no one cares about that that's you you're you're you know you're doing a favor to

00:16:59.900 your your your friend you hired his kids you've now built uh you've put some mortar in between

00:17:06.320 the bricks of your social structure there it's holding that community together and so that's a

00:17:10.800 perfectly natural and normal it's understandable and there's not helping with people who are

00:17:15.460 already here who are supposed to be benefiting from immigration there is a wider thing with

00:17:20.520 i guess spoiled western work ethic in my view like owning a pub service industry i would try to hire

00:17:26.680 local kids but boy they don't show up on time they don't care i mean not for everyone there's

00:17:31.040 exceptions but i tell you and when you start that route and i started getting filipino workers in

00:17:35.800 my kitchen. They were fantastic. They would reach out to the community to find other people who

00:17:39.920 wanted to work in there. They were never late. They didn't complain and they were just made

00:17:43.780 fantastic staff. So it's hard to, and I, you know, this isn't a guy starting as a Filipino 1.00

00:17:49.020 employer. That's just the way it worked. So whose fault is that? Uh, you know,

00:17:53.580 our show is Filipino and I'm convinced of their work ethic. The guy running the show right there,

00:17:57.840 John, so, you know, and arguably the hardest working guy here, but either way, I, you know,

00:18:02.840 I just always get a laugh out of some of the people.

00:18:04.960 They're coming to take our jobs.

00:18:05.780 Well, did you apply for any of those jobs?

00:18:09.200 Where I want to know is, where are the unions?

00:18:13.260 Unions, which are supposed to, in theory,

00:18:16.100 represent the interests of the organized labor working class.

00:18:21.480 Now, most unions now tend to be the government sector

00:18:25.960 working in very often white-collar office jobs.

00:18:29.580 But, you know, even the private sector unions, you know, where you're supposed to be able to go get a job, not have to necessarily have a bunch of post-secondary degrees to do it and support the broader interests of the working class.

00:18:43.780 The single working class voters are voting more on the right now. Working class voters are very conscious of the problems around mass migration. But the union leaderships themselves are definitely silent on mass migration, which brings in people willing to work cheaper than someone who's maybe grown up in Canada and undercuts their wages.

00:19:10.040 it's the single biggest threat

00:19:12.280 to the working class in Canada

00:19:14.420 and they're

00:19:16.000 utterly silent

00:19:17.240 you know I never thought I'd hear Derek saying

00:19:20.080 where the hell are the unions

00:19:21.720 the unions have changed you

00:19:24.160 the unions have changed though

00:19:26.320 I mean it used to be the lunchbox carry and trade unions

00:19:28.900 now it's the

00:19:30.380 teachers lounge unionists

00:19:31.680 they're the ones dominating

00:19:34.240 the political class anyways

00:19:35.840 they've gone more into the woke politics

00:19:38.880 The Gil McGowans even aren't as big on the old school, you know, we're going to stand up for the worker thing.

00:19:43.840 They're tying themselves into woke causes instead.

00:19:46.500 I think that union block's still there, but nobody's speaking for them right now.

00:19:52.100 We need better unions.

00:19:55.140 If we're going to have them.

00:19:56.300 If we're going to have bloody unions, you get ones that at least speak to the single biggest issue facing the working class.

00:20:04.200 I was going to actually ask Gil McGowan to call on the Hannaford Show.

00:20:07.540 What do you think about that?

00:20:08.320 uh yeah i mean if you bring if it's in person we probably have to bring security in for it

00:20:14.400 so i know it won't come in mind all right but you know you you should invite him i you know i think

00:20:21.480 that'd be great i'd like to see what you know the union bosses have to say on these issues

00:20:26.540 probably disagree on everything but they should theoretically agree with us on this

00:20:31.480 This is, as we were saying, big business is the ones that like cheap, unrestricted mass migration.

00:20:39.500 They get to completely flood out the wage force.

00:20:46.160 That's one of the reasons why unions like minimum wages applied even outside them is it sets a floor.

00:20:53.040 Yeah, it still pushes all the way.

00:20:55.040 It creates general pressure.

00:20:56.880 That creates upward pressure.

00:20:58.440 It still messes with the market.

00:20:59.860 it's probably a bad idea, but at least it is

00:21:01.920 technically upward pressure. Some people who

00:21:03.620 aren't worth the minimum wage, well then they just

00:21:05.800 fall on social assistance. And

00:21:07.440 you can argue about how good a trade-off

00:21:09.980 that is or not. But okay.

00:21:11.960 But this creates

00:21:13.440 downward pressure on wages.

00:21:15.940 Massive downward pressure. And people

00:21:17.880 doing pretty well,

00:21:19.340 they're not all

00:21:21.880 that affected by it. Because it's at the lower levels

00:21:24.000 where this pushes down. The entry levels.

00:21:26.160 Entry-level jobs, low skill,

00:21:28.420 you know, that kind of thing.

00:21:29.860 Well, the ones are going to lose out to artificial intelligence.

00:21:34.060 Artificial intelligence is going to kill upper class jobs.

00:21:36.940 It's just artificial intelligence won't unplug my toilet.

00:21:40.400 Yeah.

00:21:41.540 Not yet.

00:21:42.940 Skills.

00:21:43.640 Blue color skill makers are going to be left with jobs soon. 0.62

00:21:49.120 Okay.

00:21:52.260 Let's move on to the wildfires in Nova Scotia.

00:21:55.160 So this has got everyone on both sides in a tizzy.

00:21:59.860 Um, you know, I, I saw, uh, was it Steve Marr?

00:22:03.760 Uh, no, no.

00:22:05.420 Was it Steve Marr?

00:22:06.180 Uh, the Golden Mail columnist?

00:22:08.060 Yeah.

00:22:08.500 Steve Marr, yeah.

00:22:09.760 Um, you know, you've seen him kind of defending this, uh, we, I'm not gonna explain the situation

00:22:16.220 itself, but everyone's, everyone already knows about it, but, you know, he, he was defending

00:22:20.640 it saying, well, you know, most of the critics of this, they're all coming from, uh, points

00:22:24.740 West, as he put it.

00:22:26.020 Uh, these Westerners, I don't think he actually put it very rudely.

00:22:29.860 I don't think he's actually incorrect when he says it's, you know, these Westerners are more libertarian and, you know, they're and I don't like it when he's sort of piping about how we were doing our business.

00:22:39.400 So, OK, it goes both ways. I get it. But he's saying, you know, we're more communitarian out here. I take issue with that.

00:22:46.500 I think that actually in many ways we're more communitarian. We just rely less on the state to do it.

00:22:51.200 I cooperate. I'm I'm building a I'm building stuff around my property with my neighbors, doing things that are kind of almost quasi municipal.

00:22:59.400 We don't bother asking a government. We just

00:23:01.100 come together, pool our resources, pool our

00:23:03.480 labor, do it ourselves. We're communitarian

00:23:05.700 just on a more private, voluntary

00:23:07.620 level. But okay, I guess what he's

00:23:09.600 saying is the more communitarian

00:23:11.420 may be on the state level, state enforcing it.

00:23:17.220 So if

00:23:19.160 everyone's admitted, including the government officials, that

00:23:23.140 yes, walking in the forest or going

00:23:25.580 fishing isn't going to create a fire, but some other people 0.56

00:23:27.520 will go there and do some dumb things, so we have to do this. And I'm willing to actually grant

00:23:32.540 the theoretical possibility they could be correct. In an emergency, rights do get curtailed. All

00:23:38.680 governments do is curtail rights, and sometimes that can be justified. But I'd say after the last

00:23:45.780 decade we've had, there's very little reservoir of goodwill that we trust the government to know

00:23:51.940 where to draw the line in the curtailment of rights in an emergency. We went through COVID

00:23:56.060 where rights were stripped away without any evidence

00:23:58.780 or often in the face of contrary evidence

00:24:01.240 where people were legitimately oppressed

00:24:06.480 and discriminated against

00:24:07.720 for no discernible actual public good outcomes.

00:24:13.080 So yeah, we don't have a very big reserve of goodwill

00:24:16.500 to trust the state on these things.

00:24:19.720 Okay, so that's the argument going on there.

00:24:22.900 But what really just made this chef's kiss on me

00:24:25.760 was when the Nova Scotia government created an exemption for First Nations.

00:24:29.940 So, you know, going for a hike in the forest, going fishing,

00:24:35.660 these things could inadvertently start a forest fire. 0.58

00:24:40.460 But if you happen to belong to a First Nation,

00:24:45.180 then the risk might not be so great.

00:24:48.840 I don't know.

00:24:50.620 Is this the difference?

00:24:51.380 I'm going to get in trouble on this one.

00:24:52.520 Is this the difference between an Indian fire and a White Planned fire? 0.94

00:24:55.760 I don't know where to go with the answer

00:24:57.860 with that one. But I mean, they're

00:24:59.820 inviting this kind of discussion because the absurdity

00:25:02.180 of this. They're just getting so bold

00:25:03.820 and blatant and showing that this

00:25:05.840 has absolutely nothing to do with the fire risk.

00:25:08.640 What's it about? What is it

00:25:09.880 about then? I don't understand. Because it's

00:25:11.700 clearly not a fire risk.

00:25:13.260 It's control. I mean, I brought

00:25:15.800 many, many safety guys to tears

00:25:17.860 during my 20 years in the oil field.

00:25:19.640 You were the safety guy? No.

00:25:21.540 I was the surveyor who defied the safety guy

00:25:23.640 who fought with the safety

00:25:25.740 guy who would battle with him I like smart safety policies I like to see the

00:25:31.740 guy who shows up in his pickup truck drunk fired I like to see the guy who's

00:25:35.880 blasting down the cut line on a quad with no helmet on and jumping off the 1.00

00:25:39.460 stumps disciplined I don't like the twits and morons though who start imposing 1.00

00:25:44.700 stuff where there really wasn't a risk to begin with like first they started 0.99

00:25:50.340 with ATV bands of the woods and things like that chainsaws okay those are

00:25:53.940 Those are hot items that could start a fire and there could be a problem.

00:25:58.580 No problem.

00:25:59.720 But when you start to ban hikers, that's safety guys gone wild where they just go to the length of the absurd.

00:26:06.540 And then it also shows that they tend to be also the ones who are woke to the max as well.

00:26:11.520 Well, oh dear, we've got a First Nations play that's coming up and they're going to be very upset if we cancel this.

00:26:17.340 If it had been any other play or heaven forbid a Christian Singer. 1.00

00:26:21.320 It was Shakespeare actually.

00:26:22.400 It was an indigenous interpretation of Shakespeare, which I think is cultural appropriation.

00:26:29.460 It is, which I think most of us don't mind or care, but the irony is hilarious, though.

00:26:35.680 And they're just scared of canceling that to upset them.

00:26:37.940 It's that bizarre double standard.

00:26:40.040 There's no race less likely to light a fire than another. 1.00

00:26:44.020 Or if we wanted to dig down into some stats, we might find some stuff they really don't want to find out.

00:26:48.160 We're going to have to cap our spiciness right there. 0.99

00:26:50.540 yeah but it's just bureaucrats gone wild and and they've they've got the authority they enjoy using 0.75

00:26:57.700 it and it's it's ridiculous and and i'm glad this happened with this because it exposed 0.99

00:27:02.120 just how stupid it is one more thing about that story there is now a snitch line oh yes yeah now 0.99

00:27:09.520 snitch line that takes us back to covid yep and we're gonna do your point about um 0.99

00:27:16.980 about control there there is the thing that locks that into place

00:27:23.380 it's when governments don't have any imagination

00:27:26.620 then they start restricting people uh it's simplistic they won't do the hard

00:27:32.460 work of enforcement and it is hard work but then but they

00:27:37.340 want you to become a partner with them in enforcement uh it's

00:27:42.240 not a way to build a society i'm just amazed that people will even

00:27:46.280 tolerate it for a moment when real safety is difficult but bands are easy yeah you know if

00:27:51.800 but it's funny that most often at least we could do a bit of a cost benefit i mean how many children

00:27:55.940 die in swimming pools every year across the country a handful if we wanted to reduce it to

00:28:00.440 zero there's only one way you'd have to ban every swimming pool you make reasonable mitigations like

00:28:05.200 white garden fencing around the pools training lots of things trade-offs but you do have we

00:28:10.480 have accepted that as it sits right now a number of children are going to die in those swimming

00:28:15.820 pools. To be honest,

00:28:18.180 I won't be shocked if it gets to a point where they

00:28:19.860 start banning the bloody things. If you're going to ban people from

00:28:21.780 walking in the woods, because that's the only way

00:28:23.760 they think they can reduce the human ability to light

00:28:25.820 a fire to zero,

00:28:27.620 as ridiculous as that sounded 10 0.52

00:28:29.780 years ago today, apparently it's just a shrug of the shoulders. 0.95

00:28:32.040 Well, it'd be the same with

00:28:33.500 the only way to eliminate auto accidents

00:28:36.060 is the ban. Of course, yeah.

00:28:37.960 We've decided

00:28:39.520 that that is not reasonable.

00:28:41.720 There's things we can do to mitigate things,

00:28:43.980 but people are still dying

00:28:45.740 every single day, and auto crashes.

00:28:48.780 I think this is actually,

00:28:51.500 this kind of government overreach

00:28:52.880 actually creates danger.

00:28:55.580 You know, I remember saying during COVID

00:28:57.060 that I hope to God we don't actually get the big one.

00:29:02.540 Like, if we got a real, you know,

00:29:05.240 like, you know, one of these movies

00:29:06.480 where it's like, it's the Black Death,

00:29:09.980 and it's a genuine crisis,

00:29:11.640 You know, I mean, a restriction of your freedoms can, in some circumstances, be justified if the tradeoffs are appropriate, if you're not going intentionally too far.

00:29:27.240 There is a circumstance under which lockdowns could make sense, theoretically.

00:29:32.560 um but the abuse of government power by virtually nearly every government around the world

00:29:42.660 uh and especially in canada uh during covid make sure that it destroyed our trust in institutions

00:29:50.900 it destroyed social trust to the point where if we got the big one if we got you know black plague

00:29:57.940 coming um so many people uh if it happens within i think 15 years of covid here people are going to

00:30:06.200 say ah you got you got us last time yeah we've been through this i'm not going yes yeah people

00:30:11.420 are people will not follow uh reasonable recommendations or reasonable restrictions

00:30:16.760 uh you know you do have to curtail some activities during a forest for high risk of forest fire like

00:30:24.060 I ride my quad every single day

00:30:26.600 around my own land here, but if we were under

00:30:28.600 a fire watch, I understand

00:30:30.380 that, okay, maybe that could create a grass fire

00:30:32.420 on my land. You got a manifold outside, tall

00:30:34.520 dry grass, okay. It can happen.

00:30:36.580 It doesn't happen a lot, but it happens. That would be

00:30:38.520 a reasonable restriction, but if the government's

00:30:40.680 always, and if the government's going around

00:30:42.520 banning me from hiking

00:30:44.040 or fishing, clearly things that have no

00:30:46.640 impact whatsoever, I'm less

00:30:48.600 likely to trust the more reasonable

00:30:50.360 restriction that, hey, right now

00:30:52.240 you probably shouldn't ride your quad

00:30:53.980 because it could cause a spark well the measles resurgence I'm blaming to a degree total overplay

00:30:59.940 of the COVID vaccines when they got in people's faces they caused this trust we had everybody

00:31:04.460 you know a tipping point of people taking up the measles vaccine for decades and we've

00:31:09.380 virtually eliminated and suddenly now there's people are saying I don't trust vaccines for

00:31:13.540 measles and I'm not going to have my children vaccinated look what happened now we're seeing

00:31:17.720 weasels popping up on the scene again. That was the fault of them breaking the trust with COVID.

00:31:25.400 Yeah, you know, it's as old as history itself. Governments always try to gather power and it's

00:31:31.800 sort of the unique achievement of the governments of the Anglosphere in the last couple of hundred

00:31:37.160 years, inspired by liberty-minded philosophers who actually step back and say, no, people should be

00:31:43.560 free to do what people can do safely um but now we're seeing uh what we're seeing the kind of

00:31:51.880 overreach you're seeing in melvis coast and in new brunswick and newfoundland and and and people

00:31:58.360 have lost confidence in the old liberty idea and i say yeah sure here's my wrist put the handcuffs

00:32:04.840 on or just make me safe you were you have written in the past cory morgan that there's a war on

00:32:13.400 motor cars the secret plan is have a lot less motor cars and people to be a lot less mobile

00:32:23.000 keep them in 15 minute seats and if they have to go somewhere let them rent a golf cart well or if

00:32:28.040 it's public transit and then then boy it's much easier to kind of yeah but then you kind of got

00:32:32.680 people literally where you want them yes and uh i would make this proposition to you and it sort

00:32:39.720 of it relates back to

00:32:40.840 the forests.

00:32:43.400 The ability to go where you go

00:32:45.620 is the true definition of freedom.

00:32:47.460 It's more important than having a vote.

00:32:49.580 If you can go where you want to go

00:32:51.340 and you don't have to get your

00:32:53.140 sign-off or a permit from a government

00:32:55.480 department first, that's reason.

00:32:57.780 They don't like that.

00:33:02.120 Yeah.

00:33:03.980 And this can lead us to

00:33:07.020 seeing conspiracies

00:33:09.080 And sometimes we'll see them because maybe they are there, but it'll also lead us to see things that are not there because our trust in institutions, our formerly high trust society is no longer a high trust society.

00:33:21.640 um and so we've lost um and this might rub off on otherwise institutions that otherwise still

00:33:29.760 actually do a good job um i generally trust my doctor generally um but i'm probably just

00:33:39.620 naturally more suspicious of you know the medical institutions in general because they threw their

00:33:46.340 lot in and got political uh i mean you can't trust some wings of of even the scientific

00:33:52.220 community now because they've made themselves explicitly political be it on global warming

00:33:56.820 on vaccines uh and so but this is going to rub off then on people who have not violated our trust

00:34:03.820 um yeah so to your point about the scientists many fit the description that you've given them

00:34:12.760 But here is another illustration of where the central government moves in and creates the opinions that it wants, because scientists need money to do research.

00:34:23.820 They don't much care what the research is, but they do need the money. That's what pays the bill.

00:34:29.160 So the government sets up the guidelines for giving grants that you have to think certain things.

00:34:36.460 So prove the point, try and get a grant as a climate scientist that says no, all this stuff about global warming is way, way overrated. You will not get the grant. It just won't happen.

00:34:51.740 But if you take the other view, then you will. Much better chance anyway. So again, yes, some of our friends have let us down, but you can see why in the behest of the government.

00:35:06.460 So just giving a pat on the back to the honest scientist.

00:35:13.120 Yep.

00:35:13.940 Okay.

00:35:15.060 Well, we'll switch gears a little here.

00:35:19.240 Corey, I'll let you set it up.

00:35:21.200 But Maxime Bernier did a live stream the other day.

00:35:25.220 We covered it.

00:35:30.200 As both of us, as people who have led small, fringy parties before,

00:35:36.460 Both on the independence issue, we both, I think, are particularly well positioned to be able to speak to this.

00:35:43.540 Small parties have to do bold, sometimes even outrageous things to get attention, to get some traction.

00:35:50.280 um but the people's party of canada a populist right-wing um but ostensibly still canadian

00:36:01.080 nationalist and federalist party has now endorsed the yes side of the likely still

00:36:07.760 coming referendum at some point on alberta independence

00:36:10.880 curious well speaking of putting party interest ahead of national interest here's a fine example

00:36:19.380 of it on a more micro level, I think.

00:36:22.000 I mean, the

00:36:23.060 PPC under Maxime Bernier sort of

00:36:25.480 has a base of

00:36:27.520 support that's very small. It hasn't grown,

00:36:29.680 but it hasn't really shrunk either.

00:36:31.060 It shrunk from the high point they had in COVID.

00:36:33.200 Oh, at least from back then. I'm just saying, speaking

00:36:35.320 more in the last couple of years.

00:36:37.160 But they need money. They need

00:36:38.920 a degree of support. And I'm only guessing, but I would

00:36:41.300 bet a bulk of their supporters are concentrated

00:36:43.240 in Alberta. And of all

00:36:45.240 parties where the bulk of the supporters would be

00:36:47.120 independence-minded supporters, his

00:36:49.120 Alberta members are probably 90%

00:36:51.260 independent. I would imagine, yeah.

00:36:53.360 And he's donors. He

00:36:54.880 wants to keep them happy.

00:36:57.320 Let's put that out there because it is

00:36:58.880 counterintuitive to a federal party.

00:37:01.060 I mean, he did put out other things talking about

00:37:02.820 reducing, you know, federal incursions into

00:37:04.960 provincial jurisdiction and other

00:37:06.800 policy moves. But to be an

00:37:08.740 ostensibly federal party

00:37:10.900 to say that you support the

00:37:12.900 dissolution of the federation through a vote

00:37:15.000 in another province,

00:37:16.280 it's just bizarre. I mean, seeing the bloc do so.

00:37:18.660 I mean, we'll take all the help we can get.

00:37:19.960 Oh, sure.

00:37:20.640 I mean, we've sort of been saying it for quite some time.

00:37:23.860 I mean, I just, I think his motivations are just purely driven on trying to keep that base inflamed and happy and donating.

00:37:32.600 I mean, is he going to gain any of his support in Ontario or Quebec or anywhere else?

00:37:36.520 But he's not looking there.

00:37:37.680 He's just looking to pay the bills.

00:37:40.260 Fortunately, I think you're right.

00:37:41.840 But, you know, he could use this excuse if he wanted to.

00:37:45.480 let's get a strong pro-independence vote in alberta and then we can maybe extract a better

00:37:52.980 deal out of the federal government which i still support that is what he's argued here uh and he

00:37:57.780 said like in the 1995 quebec referendum on independence he voted yes uh because he felt

00:38:03.200 that you know after charlatan and michelag things have been frozen the ambitions of quebec

00:38:07.440 nationalists had been thwarted that was the only way to obtain reform i think most people who voted

00:38:14.140 for independence in the Quebec, well, whatever

00:38:15.980 they were voting on was a convoluted question.

00:38:18.140 But most people voted yes, I should

00:38:20.040 say, voted for independence, but

00:38:21.700 a sizable minority of them wanted to

00:38:24.140 push, to use this

00:38:26.120 as a gun to the head of Canada to obtain

00:38:27.880 reforms.

00:38:29.960 But, I mean, if

00:38:31.980 we got a yes vote on independence

00:38:33.940 in Alberta, like, our proposed question is

00:38:35.980 not ambiguous. It's not the Quebec one 0.89

00:38:38.180 where it's, what does yes

00:38:39.860 mean? Yeah,

00:38:41.760 it's not ambiguous. It's clear. If we get a yes

00:38:44.120 vote we expect independence the time for reform is before that vote it's not after that vote after

00:38:51.280 that vote the only discussion needs to be okay uh i'll take the kids uh monday to friday you

00:38:58.100 take them on the weekend and who you get the house i get the car that's the discussion who

00:39:02.940 gets quebec well they get quebec you can have it and we're not paying child support anymore

00:39:09.280 this is about ending child support

00:39:10.520 so I get what he's saying

00:39:13.360 but perhaps he's approaching this

00:39:15.360 from the view of a Quebec

00:39:17.020 of at least many Quebecers who saw

00:39:19.520 a yes vote for independence

00:39:21.500 in Quebec as a way of

00:39:23.380 extracting more from the federal government

00:39:25.100 getting more decentralization in the kind that they want

00:39:27.300 or asymmetrical deal etc

00:39:28.760 many Quebecers do view

00:39:30.680 the independence movement as a way to do that

00:39:33.260 and I'm sure some

00:39:35.300 Albertans do but

00:39:36.460 not many

00:39:37.780 Something Ted Byfield mentioned a couple of times, I remember back when I was leading the AIP too, though, was it was refederation.

00:39:44.900 And it was more along the premise almost, though, that, yeah, I guess if the federation fell apart, we could redraft it with a new contract.

00:39:52.660 And province leaving could be the catalyst that leads to that.

00:39:56.580 So the negotiations begin, but now we're at the beginning of the negotiations as independent nations, and we're going to try to come together under a new agreement.

00:40:03.960 Well, I've argued before, like, sometimes I've asked people the question rhetorically, if Alberta was an independent country right now, would we join Canada under these terms?

00:40:15.140 No one, no one, whatever, even the most hardcore Federalist, they have to admit, no, I probably would not.

00:40:22.840 But, you know, we've, you know, Alberta independence has thought of the other question of broader Western independence.

00:40:27.500 If Alberta went, there's a very good chance, Saskatchewan would follow, probably start a domino effect.

00:40:32.400 Quebec is then gone because Quebec would have to pay into Canada. They'll never do that. And that means at that point, then BC, maybe Manitoba and territories come along. And then it raised the question, would Canada just be refounded under the new constitution? Because I fundamentally, you know, I didn't grow up not liking Canada. I grew up as a passionate Canadian nationalist. And I, if it was possible to save Canada, that would be my preference. I think it's the preference of most even hardline Alberta nationalists.

00:41:00.260 I no longer want to be outvoted by the East all the time

00:41:02.960 because they have crazy ideas

00:41:04.060 I think we just have very separate

00:41:06.240 conceptions of the role of government

00:41:08.340 how we want to govern ourselves

00:41:09.620 but yeah

00:41:11.880 so I think that's kind of what

00:41:14.560 Bernier is arguing, not to actually recreate

00:41:16.800 the country again, but that it would

00:41:17.840 create a political

00:41:20.520 circumstance, political facts on the ground

00:41:22.460 that would lead to broader reform of Canada

00:41:24.760 fine

00:41:26.560 but that's not what would happen if we got

00:41:28.660 a yes vote

00:41:29.140 We've got a yes vote. It's done.

00:41:31.600 Yeah. Or at least

00:41:32.940 that's pulled the string on the sweater

00:41:35.140 that made it unravel. You know, whatever happens

00:41:37.340 after that. I think if any one

00:41:39.320 province leaves the Federation, the Federation's done.

00:41:41.740 Whether it's Quebec or Alberta or

00:41:43.200 Saskatchewan. No, no, no. I think Quebec

00:41:45.160 could leave and everything.

00:41:47.400 Our reason for leaving would more

00:41:49.180 or less go away. Not entirely,

00:41:51.380 but we could then probably reform

00:41:53.020 the Constitution. We could probably make

00:41:55.060 Canada work without Quebec. Well, perhaps. 0.99

00:41:57.240 Leaving would strengthen Canada. That chunk

00:41:59.020 The problem with Quebec is we're going down a rabbit hole, you know, but it is a geographic problem.

00:42:04.940 They have an interest when you free trade, but the country such where the Maritimes are subtly isolated and then we've got some other issues to deal with.

00:42:12.580 Yeah, but they're not exactly going to be a Danzig corridor.

00:42:15.100 Like, I doubt they're going to arm it.

00:42:16.800 No.

00:42:17.500 To stop us from rolling through.

00:42:19.180 The Nufi's are rolling up from that. 1.00

00:42:21.900 The Nufi's coming from East Russia. 1.00

00:42:23.800 No, I think they, it would be in everyone's interest if Quebec left.

00:42:27.660 Quebec needs to trade with Canada.

00:42:30.460 I think we'd probably come to some kind of

00:42:32.020 anything other than pipelines

00:42:33.940 we could probably get through.

00:42:35.780 Actually, we might have more leverage to get pipelines through Quebec

00:42:38.040 at that point. You won't hear an argument out of me.

00:42:40.040 We're pretty much converted on this.

00:42:43.100 The question is whether we should

00:42:45.920 even waste much time talking about the

00:42:47.820 People's Party. I mean, a lot of people

00:42:49.740 like Bernie. He's charming his

00:42:51.720 old get-out, charming

00:42:52.640 wallpaper off the walls, but

00:42:55.460 you know, nobody's voting for him.

00:42:58.000 Was it less than 1%

00:42:59.400 in the federal election?

00:43:01.800 Yeah. I mean, they had their high point

00:43:03.660 during COVID.

00:43:06.300 Because there was a very real

00:43:07.720 reason for it. They were the

00:43:09.680 only party not in on vaccine

00:43:11.460 passports. Like Aaron O'Toole ran on

00:43:13.600 pro-vaccine passport,

00:43:15.520 pro-carbon tax, all of

00:43:17.620 these things. There was a real purpose for the PPC

00:43:19.700 then. Polyev

00:43:21.700 largely changed that. But

00:43:23.200 I think the big risk for the

00:43:25.600 Federal Conservative Party

00:43:27.560 now is on immigration, and

00:43:28.960 their language is getting

00:43:31.240 tougher on it, but I

00:43:33.000 think people are... I think

00:43:35.400 the Canadian public in general, and Conservative voters

00:43:37.400 in particular, are well to the right

00:43:39.440 of the Conservative Party on

00:43:41.280 immigration right now. I think if the PPC

00:43:43.100 is to get traction on any major

00:43:45.480 issue and try to have some life

00:43:47.400 come back into it, it's going to be on that.

00:43:49.980 It could be one for them to know, and yeah.

00:43:51.340 Okay, well, let's put a pin in it and go to our parting shots.

00:43:56.320 Start with Corey today.

00:43:57.880 Sure, the Toronto International Film Festival, and it's a big one.

00:44:00.700 It's worldwide known with all those movies coming out,

00:44:03.600 but they had a documentary that, well, documented an Israeli man

00:44:08.940 saving his family from Hamas on October 7th,

00:44:11.060 and they've booted that documentary from the festival.

00:44:13.900 Of course, they won't show it, but the weakness of their excuse

00:44:17.420 in kicking that out is that it used a bunch of the footage

00:44:20.500 that Hamas had taken, you know, with their 0.96

00:44:22.420 body cams while they were on their orgy of murder 0.98

00:44:24.520 and rape. And the 1.00

00:44:26.440 documentarian hadn't gotten permission from

00:44:28.440 Hamas to use the footage. Oh, so it was copyright! 0.69

00:44:31.040 Yeah!

00:44:34.160 I wish I was making this up.

00:44:36.560 You've got to be... I didn't see that.

00:44:38.180 So that's when their excuse

00:44:39.640 has been... So, I mean, you know,

00:44:42.160 the reality, they didn't want to show it in Israel's

00:44:44.600 sympathetic documentary, but that was the best

00:44:46.400 excuse they could find for kicking it out,

00:44:47.960 is the terrorist group didn't give us

00:44:50.160 permission to use the footage they took while

00:44:52.320 they were committing terrorism and shared on social

00:44:54.280 media. Well, at least they didn't say

00:44:56.220 it was a safety issue. No, no, good.

00:44:58.100 Fair enough. They changed the narrative.

00:45:00.260 That

00:45:00.540 is gloriously Canadian.

00:45:05.060 Gloriously Canadian.

00:45:06.200 They didn't get copyright

00:45:08.060 from Hamas. Yeah.

00:45:10.280 I'll top that. I do all I can't.

00:45:12.320 I mean, that's it.

00:45:13.540 You dug that when I brought a

00:45:16.120 court. I did think, though, it

00:45:18.120 was very significant

00:45:19.680 of what Parks Canada did this week.

00:45:22.920 A couple of weeks ago, they kicked Sean Fucht,

00:45:25.520 the American Christian rocker, off a Parks Canada site

00:45:30.900 saying that he didn't conform to their values.

00:45:33.620 They had values, you know.

00:45:35.740 Well, wasn't that nice?

00:45:37.500 Well, yesterday, I think it was,

00:45:40.820 there was the unveiling of a plaque

00:45:43.420 in a Manitoba residential school.

00:45:47.200 And Parks Canada, in pursuit of its values, has been very strong.

00:45:51.160 They'll say, oh, you know, the residential school system was cultural genocide.

00:45:55.880 And they would put that on the plaques when they were designating some of these schools as historic sites.

00:46:01.040 Well, let's just say that they really do have values.

00:46:05.040 What are we to make of the fact that on this one, there was no reference to cultural genocide?

00:46:10.340 Is Parks Canada, which takes his marching orders directly from the federal government, starting to go, I think, more moderate view of what the residential school was, were about, could it be anything to do with the fact that Mr. Carney's father actually ran a residential school in the North Estuary?

00:46:32.880 There's no evidence that he was a genocidal.

00:46:35.160 No, no.

00:46:35.620 There's no evidence.

00:46:36.260 And was a very reputable public administrator.

00:46:39.720 I love the idea that maybe some truth will start sneaking back into that story.

00:46:45.040 Here's to hope.

00:46:45.640 But Parks Canada, whoa.

00:46:48.860 Yeah.

00:46:49.560 All right.

00:46:51.180 Well, I want to give tip of the hat, wake of the finger here for China. 1.00

00:46:58.360 um china not uh not a state which i'm normally sympathetic with but uh they did what you would

00:47:09.420 naturally expect there was already a big tariff on canadian canola in retaliation for canadian

00:47:16.500 tariffs against chinese-made electric vehicles this was designed to artificially prof up

00:47:22.920 Ontario's

00:47:24.440 mega-subsidized

00:47:26.900 EV industry. You can get it going.

00:47:29.040 Kind of like what Trump's doing for the American

00:47:30.800 oil industry. Yes. But

00:47:32.800 ever since Trump pulled the

00:47:34.740 EV mandates and subsidies in the States,

00:47:37.120 it has pretty much flat-lined

00:47:39.200 the whole industry.

00:47:40.640 Very few people

00:47:42.080 actually want EVs, unless you have

00:47:44.860 small little drives around a city or something.

00:47:47.540 Maybe then. But for

00:47:48.680 huge portions of people who live in a place like North

00:47:50.860 America, it's wildly impractical.

00:47:52.920 especially in canada where it's cold batteries don't do too well uh the whole industry is

00:47:57.660 cratering anyway the liberals have stood by their ev tariffs on chinese vehicles and the chinese

00:48:03.180 have just increased by like 76 78 76 76 uh percent on top of the 100 that was already there

00:48:11.220 against canadian canola so and who does that primarily affect uh i don't think ev manufacturers

00:48:19.440 in Ontario are also in the canola business, it affects primarily Western farmers in Alberta

00:48:25.280 and Saskatchewan and Manitoba, who have one of the biggest market in the world, effectively

00:48:33.920 completely closed to them now. And that's all done to prop up Ontario's, I can't even say

00:48:40.580 zombie because zombie implies was actually alive at some point. It's never been alive.

00:48:44.220 It never will be alive.

00:48:46.420 Propping up Ontario's Frankenstein.

00:48:49.840 That's probably better analogy.

00:48:51.300 Frankenstein EV industry.

00:48:53.880 So I'm just glad that we could do our part

00:48:56.140 for Ontario's subsidized EV industry.

00:49:01.440 We're just doing our part for the country

00:49:02.960 because we never do.

00:49:04.920 All right, Corey, Nigel, thank you very much.

00:49:09.260 Always a pleasure.

00:49:09.900 Hopefully we have Erica back next week. 0.99

00:49:11.780 I thank all of you for joining us today on The Pipeline.

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Western Standard - August 14, 2025

Why is the PPC supporting Alberta independence？

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