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00:03:09.400 channel with that said and without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves

00:03:13.920 so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead i'm yael i'm 19 and i'm here in santa

00:03:22.040 barbara but i'm from the bay area and i currently go to sbcc and i'm a graphic design major

00:03:29.040 all right welcome hi i'm audrey um i'm 22 i'm a student here at ucsb um i'm originally from seattle

00:03:38.440 um and yeah hi i am sophia i am also a student here at ucsb and i am originally from brazil

00:03:48.580 sorry did you say your age i am 21 years old 21 and did you say your major um i'm psych and brain

00:03:55.640 sciences my majors are history and museum studies art history and museum studies do you want to be a

00:04:03.020 uh curator or something or either that or maybe own a gallery if i get there someday okay what's your

00:04:09.880 favorite time period for art do you like modern art kind of i like 16th century netherlandish painting

00:04:17.660 a lot dutch yes 16th century dutch when when when was van gogh he was dutch right that is uh yeah

00:04:26.240 was he dutch or he was dutch yeah um i think he's 19th century okay yeah all right and uh what about

00:04:34.880 you i'm lauren i'm 32 um i work with kids during the week and after school program and on the weekend

00:04:42.460 i wait tables all right welcome hi i'm larissa i'm 21 i'm a ucsb fourth year and i'm a social major

00:04:52.040 all right welcome hi i'm ina i'm originally from ukraine i live in sacramento i'm 30 years old

00:04:58.700 and i'm a realtor all right welcome hi my name is pay i'm 27 from massachusetts i work with farmers

00:05:08.340 and farmland i do sorry i do customer service and um i'm working on music with hank chill

00:05:15.160 all right my name is haley i am 20 years old um i am from stockton i am a part-time goat milker

00:05:26.240 that's what i'm talking oh sorry i didn't even know what's that one wait you're a part-time goat

00:05:32.080 milker yes so i milk goats you milk goats i do do you milk other animals or is it just goats

00:05:37.480 just goats right now maybe cows in the future um and then i'm a full-time student transferring to

00:05:45.060 fresno state in fall stockton yes okay cool all right and then uh without uh we oh we have

00:05:53.640 andrew wilson my caucasian welcome andrew yeah my name is andrew wilson i am the host of the crucible

00:06:00.300 it's a fastest growing debate channel on the internet i'm a political analyst political

00:06:06.660 satirist and also a blood sport debater um appreciate all of you being here good to have

00:06:12.160 you back andrew so we're gonna have uh we're gonna go excuse me we're gonna go around the table

00:06:16.680 once more so what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single talking

00:06:24.760 stage situationship friends with benefits relationship wait i already said that maybe

00:06:30.220 uh married polycule sex cult part of a harem whatever it may be if you're single how long

00:06:35.340 have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting

00:06:38.740 with you go ahead um i'm single i guess uh yeah okay um my longest relationship was like

00:06:46.900 two years how long have you been single you guess like eight months some eight months i think

00:06:56.220 eight months i don't know and when you say single you guess is it complicated kind of it's currently

00:07:02.580 complicated sure there's a prospect in the picture who knows who knows well we'd like to know um so

00:07:11.200 uh is it currently complicated with the guy you broke up with eight months ago yeah okay so you're

00:07:21.200 like in a situationship kind of sort of is it on again off again not really i don't know i'm just

00:07:28.500 not looking for anybody really but so you're still like talking to the guy that you used to date yeah

00:07:36.080 he's like my best friend too though like he's your best friend really close so when's the last time

00:07:40.440 you guys hung out last week last week you're you said you're from santa barbara right no i'm from

00:07:47.440 the bay area oh you're from the bay okay um and is this like kind of a long distance thing or does he

00:07:52.380 also live here uh he goes to cal poly okay slow okay uh so you you'll go there or he comes here

00:08:01.340 uh not like to see each other though just like when i visit because there was like that music festival

00:08:10.020 was it last weekend yeah shebang that was shebang yeah i went to that so was that in slow

00:08:16.680 mm-hmm yeah it's super fun okay so were you guys so was this the two-year relationship

00:08:23.500 mm-hmm okay or like almost two years almost two years but then it ended you've been single for

00:08:31.020 eight months so for the two for the duration of the two-year relationship was it committed monogamous

00:08:39.100 or was it uh committed yeah okay exclusive yeah boyfriend girlfriend yeah okay there was a title

00:08:45.640 and so you uh you you seem like every weekend or something or no no just like if i'm going there

00:08:54.480 or if he he has friends here too so who who ended the relationship him he ended it yeah okay

00:09:01.140 because it was like distance there's a lot of things okay so is he dating is he currently dating somebody

00:09:05.560 else no not to your knowledge not to my knowledge okay but he is kind of dating you not really though

00:09:13.020 well you guys are hanging out right yeah are you guys still getting frisky

00:09:18.700 that's the way to put it sure yeah okay wait so i mean but you said you've been single for eight

00:09:27.800 months but the guy you were dating for two years you guys are still like hooking up um

00:09:32.560 kind of doesn't sound like you're totally single

00:09:35.920 i mean sure i guess like would you go if some guy who uh you thought was like really cool really

00:09:44.620 attractive if he asked you out would you or would you say no because you're kind of involved with

00:09:49.720 this current guy like asks me out like like some guy was interested in you a different guy would you

00:09:57.560 tell him no because you're kind of involved with this guy or would you say oh i'm single yeah i can

00:10:01.340 date you uh i guess i'm just not really looking for like anything like i wouldn't really i wouldn't say

00:10:10.120 no necessarily but like as i said i'm not even like i'm just kind of focusing on myself i guess

00:10:17.060 well would you say no because you're currently semi-involved with i don't know if that's the

00:10:22.020 reason i would say no i think it would be more just because i'm not like wanting that i'm also like

00:10:28.040 transferring in the fall so it's like okay yeah wait so you said he broke up with you

00:10:34.000 and you said the reason was just like the distance or whatever okay um because i went to sdsu and so

00:10:41.920 that's like a much longer distance so okay so is it kind of like sdsu nothing santa barbara

00:10:50.460 friends with benefits and if you're closer to slow that would get you the title what do you mean well

00:10:57.320 because you sdsu is like full-on breakup now that you've come to santa barbara you're you're three

00:11:02.880 hours closer or so no it was after so i left sdsu and then it was after that okay all right

00:11:10.480 it's complicated so you would consider is it a situationship how would you categorize your current

00:11:16.380 thing sure yeah i guess that's okay and you're fine with that you don't mind that sure would you

00:11:21.440 be okay if he was like dating or sleeping with other women i mean obviously not dating because

00:11:26.600 dating that means you're like just with one person uh well let's say he's just like casually

00:11:31.940 hooking up with other girls would you be okay with that um i'm i don't think he is i also

00:11:38.940 he's not that type of person well you guys are both single by your definition yeah but i also i'm not

00:11:46.780 into like hookup culture and anybody i tend to date isn't either so like if he was why isn't he

00:11:53.580 something but well why if i mean if that's the case if he's not into it you're not into it

00:11:59.120 why avoid having a title i don't know if that's i don't know it's complicated as i said how i'm not

00:12:08.820 well i'm a little confused how like i don't know that's i don't know but would it would you no longer

00:12:18.580 want to see him if he was uh say casually hooking up with another girl not necessarily

00:12:27.400 not like i don't know if i i mean it's his life we're not is he in a fraternity yes are you in a

00:12:35.380 sorority no he's in a fraternity yeah a couple girls here seem like they have a reaction to that

00:12:40.340 uh slow it's uh cal poly slow do they have a decent party scene there or not so much at least

00:12:48.820 compared to ucsb oh nothing compared well sure not compared to ucsb but uh uh i don't know every

00:12:56.460 time i've gone there it's always like it's not that good it's also like the cops are really they

00:13:02.820 don't have they'll shut down at a party in like 30 minutes like okay quickly so so he's in a frat

00:13:09.760 you guys don't have a title we met in high school so uh it was before he was in a fraternity

00:13:17.160 sure okay oh so you guys went to high school together or you for the last senior year of

00:13:23.680 high school yes okay i want to ask the ladies at the table do you think be honest do you think the

00:13:33.060 guy is maybe seeing other ladies what do you guys think i think he might be but i don't know it to

00:13:41.580 me at least it sounds like he has you on a leash a little bit does it that's just what it sounds like

00:13:49.580 but it sounds like you guys have like a close friendship yeah i think if there's not a label

00:13:54.220 on it he's in a fraternity i feel like that's enough i think it's enough but she's saying she

00:13:59.980 doesn't really care like that much if he's like she cares more about the friendship yeah yeah the

00:14:06.540 friendship yeah yeah wait i'm curious so you guys he he dumped you eight months ago um sort of

00:14:15.560 what do you mean sort of i mean yeah but i feel like dumped is not the word okay well so how did

00:14:21.360 it go then uh i don't know did he text you or call you or was this in person no it was in person in

00:14:27.520 person yeah and he sat you down he was like was there was there a handhold and did he did he go for

00:14:34.880 handhold okay i'm just kidding just kidding uh okay so okay do you go for handholds when you do

00:14:40.620 something i'm i don't even want to do that shit in person to be honest we've been dating for

00:14:46.680 we've been dating for two years maybe a text damn not even a call not even a call are you proud of

00:14:54.000 that super i i well okay no hold on maybe two years i'll maybe i'll consider doing it in person

00:15:02.400 i usually i just you know i'll just wait until they break up with me that's that's better but i

00:15:09.540 i prefer that they just send me a text you prefer being breaking broken up with if i've been dating

00:15:14.900 a girl for like two years yeah just text me have you ever done the breaking up with you got you got

00:15:21.100 speaking to the microphone have you ever done the breaking up with yeah yeah i've ended things why do

00:15:26.500 you she looks she does this like oh you'd never break up with a girl uh yeah i've broken up with

00:15:34.180 girls uh like just over text or uh i mean look i've done it in person too but and you prefer the

00:15:42.220 texting it's easier i'd rather a girl just break up with me over text to be honest it's much easier

00:15:47.460 to like be broken up with and like breaking up with a person but then i feel like you get back together

00:15:52.600 when it's over text i feel like there's a lot more emotional labor that goes into breaking up with

00:15:56.920 someone and then it would be a lot easier for you to just like be an asshole until she finally gives

00:16:03.140 up and then just texts you and you're like oh it's done now you're on to something okay so uh

00:16:11.160 like that sounds a little bit you know cowardly but i'm not saying that you're a coward i'm just

00:16:17.320 saying that i think that maybe you could like you know communicate or something i mean i'm being a bit

00:16:21.500 flippant but uh uh yeah no if i've decided that i no longer want to see somebody i i'm not gonna like

00:16:29.180 intentionally be a dickhead so they do it so they do the breakup but uh i actually don't mind if the

00:16:35.120 girl wants to break up with me just you can just text me it's okay like oh you want to meet in person

00:16:40.420 i don't need the closure talk really i don't like the closure talk do you have like a ready like

00:16:44.900 paragraph on your notes app to break up with people like a little paragraph copy and paste every

00:16:50.280 time yeah just i i have the um i have like chat gbt like i asked it to draft up like a breakup text

00:16:57.280 for me and just send it just email don't even text anymore exactly wait so does anybody else here think

00:17:04.060 the you know any thoughts on her guy situation is you know i think he's what's so significant about

00:17:10.440 your friendship if i may ask um i feel like well he's just like one of the coolest people i know

00:17:19.400 like genuinely he's just a cool person he has really he's just interesting and he's nice and

00:17:26.280 he's just like a good person to have around and he's yeah we always have a good time so it's like

00:17:31.880 okay i feel like it's yeah i don't know do you have other close guy friends

00:17:36.580 um some yeah i have some close guys do you think any of them would be better options

00:17:42.980 oh none of them would i want to be no okay no no wait so i mean if you it sounds like you really

00:17:50.480 like this guy he sounds great you're really attracted to him have you made a push in this

00:17:54.800 eight months to like regain the title no what would happen if you were like you texted him tonight

00:18:02.660 called him tonight and you said i want to be boyfriend girlfriend what do you think his

00:18:07.640 response would be i'm i'm not sure i think it's a complicated situation i think how's it complicated

00:18:13.340 well i live here he lives there i'm also transferring like i don't know where i'm going to transfer yet so

00:18:19.760 there's just a lot of things that like well you're currently already at fair what slows like two hours

00:18:25.580 what 90 minutes something like that something like that yeah so you're already already distanced um

00:18:32.640 you don't think he would go for it i don't know i haven't asked i think i don't like i don't like

00:18:41.900 conflict or asking necessarily i'd rather just enjoy what i'm happy with right now okay that sounds

00:18:49.720 like not good but i swear it's chill like i mean just the only reason i'm asking is because i mean

00:18:55.520 initially you said single but then like you're you still frequently every weekend pretty much

00:19:01.580 every other weekend no like maybe once a month every few months oh once every few once a month

00:19:08.380 maybe well you saw him last weekend that was because there was okay music festivals oh okay i was

00:19:15.160 there for a different reason okay all right so i'm just gonna say it's complicated

00:19:22.140 yeah yeah it's complicated uh but it doesn't seem like you're open to meeting somebody new though

00:19:29.740 so you're kind of like this guy's kind of locking you up a little bit sure yeah

00:19:35.760 would you uh if you met another guy would you break it off like because i mean

00:19:43.160 i could certainly see if uh you met a new guy and he finds out that you're still friends and

00:19:48.960 still hanging out with the guy you dated for two years and you've been in a essentially a

00:19:52.960 situationship for uh eight months would you just do a clean cut with this guy and stop being friends

00:19:59.180 with him if a new guy asked you to uh like stop being friends though just as friends too

00:20:06.220 yeah so no friends i don't know i'd have to i'll open that question up to the whole panel like

00:20:14.760 should you remain friends with an ex is it a bad look to your new partner um but first let's get

00:20:20.520 through everybody's relationship status so uh what about you i'm single all right how long have you

00:20:28.020 been single since i was 19 so 20 22 21 24 so four you've been single for about four years

00:20:38.920 yeah like three or four years three to four years okay longest relationship

00:20:43.920 i think probably like six months six months i don't even know if you would count it as six months you

00:20:51.460 could ask him would why do you say that depends on the cheating timeline i would say how many dudes

00:20:56.960 did you cheat on with no i didn't cheat oh oh my bad yeah okay not me okay uh yeah so he was cheating

00:21:05.080 on you yeah it also would depend on like yeah i guess like we were on on a different page about

00:21:12.900 what the relationship was so in my mind it was probably about like six months like in terms of

00:21:18.640 how i was invested as like a girlfriend okay and you uh from what age to what age did you date him

00:21:25.740 were you 18 19 19 19 19 okay so 19 for this one all right and then that's that's the longest

00:21:34.360 relationship you've been in was it was there a title boyfriend girlfriend yeah for a period of time

00:21:40.560 okay and then you broke up with him i'm assuming because of the cheating yes okay but you've been

00:21:46.600 single for four years any prospects in that four-year period anything shorter term maybe three months any

00:21:51.620 short-term things like that or not really nothing where i thought someone was going to be my

00:21:55.940 boyfriend okay have you been on dating apps at all freshman year i was before i met my ex and it was

00:22:05.180 kind of just to like mess around like i wasn't actually like going on a dating app to try to like

00:22:08.720 mate someone would you like use the was it tinder that you're using or um yeah i think it was only

00:22:14.860 tinder that i ended up on like other people recommended like i think it was hinge or bumble

00:22:18.560 maybe um but it was actually funny because one of the guys that i was talking to on tinder

00:22:25.880 ended up swiping on my friend on like another app and then i was like oh he's on all of them like

00:22:31.480 you know he's for the streets he's for the streets he's for the streets sure okay and so i didn't

00:22:38.200 actually like i was kind of just like messing around on tinder because i was bored i see okay go on

00:22:43.460 did you go on any dates meet any guys from tinder or no i went on on one date okay did it go beyond

00:22:50.580 that or was it just a one date thing we went on we went on a second date and then you weren't feeling

00:22:55.680 it no yeah no he was he was 22 and i was 19 at the time so we were like in just really different

00:23:02.840 places mentally i guess like i mean i was a freshman he had just graduated i think from

00:23:08.460 like one of the ucs and he lived in santa barbara and so he had like his parents house here okay and

00:23:14.820 i don't know exactly what he was doing he claimed to have like a really good job or something like

00:23:17.700 that and he just talked a lot of talk and just seemed like he was 22 and so i was like oh you

00:23:22.760 know like older guy like he must be he must be set he must be like legit and then he was acting up

00:23:29.580 and i was like why are you inviting me over to go like drink at your parents house and like play

00:23:34.260 beer pong you're literally 22 and you claim to have like a high paying tech job like what's your deal

00:23:39.060 and so i was like no uh well is he like a dinosaur basically like did you view him as a dinosaur at

00:23:47.500 that age no i didn't view him as a dinosaur i viewed him as like like a high value man like i thought

00:23:53.320 that he was like you know had his had his shit together and then he like kind of didn't so i was like

00:23:59.260 and also i was like why are you asking out like freshman girls like why are you not dating in

00:24:04.260 your own age range not that that's like a huge age gap but i was kind of like it was just weird

00:24:09.020 so he was 22 and you were 19 yeah yeah i don't think that's i don't think there's anything weird

00:24:15.240 and also like looking at it now that i'm 22 i don't think it's that weird but like it was just

00:24:20.020 kind of funny that he was more it felt like he was more interested at the time and like obviously when

00:24:25.520 you're 19 and you're living here you have a lot more options you just graduated sure

00:24:29.240 couch underscore hopper underscore outdoors donated 69 dollars that first girl is going to be her

00:24:36.060 friend's baby mom any any plans to get knocked knocked up okay all right actually really i want

00:24:45.340 to add a question on to the ah but i mean that's not that's not really an age gap right 22 to 19 that's

00:24:52.320 that's not really even yeah i don't think that would even fall fall into it but so uh you were uh

00:24:59.820 so you've been single for four years um in that four-year time period i mean are you any prospects

00:25:07.380 currently any like any prospects no nothing just stay at home pretty much or i don't stay at home i just

00:25:15.060 like don't like i'm not i'm not looking i guess i'm like about to graduate yeah do you uh go out and

00:25:21.300 party at all yeah like do you hit the bars downtown yeah i honestly the bars downtown are not riveting

00:25:28.820 in my opinion not riveting okay you party around here yeah like are you in a sorority yeah i am okay

00:25:37.880 yeah okay so you go to like the frat parties and stuff yeah i did the whole the whole frat party

00:25:43.760 thing okay i guess i mean like sure like when you're younger and they like pair with the frats to go

00:25:49.760 have the parties and stuff like fully had the whole like sorority experience i guess sure okay um so no

00:25:57.440 zero prospects not even like a you know more casual for f uh friends with benefits then

00:26:03.380 not really i don't i don't think that the like dating pool that at least i'm like mingling with

00:26:12.380 is interested in copying a girlfriend at this point i don't think that i'm necessarily interested

00:26:18.000 in copying a boyfriend and um i would just say that like the love of my life is not an iv and he's

00:26:25.160 not at joe's downtown and he's most definitely not at any of the frats here so okay

00:26:31.700 all right and so uh what you said you're not really looking to have a boyfriend at this moment

00:26:39.720 what are you looking for if anything um like i would be looking to be in a relationship i just

00:26:46.520 don't think that it's here so like when i graduate then like that's a different story but okay here

00:26:51.720 are you planning to stick around here are you gonna move somewhere um i'm moving back to seattle

00:26:57.540 back to seattle downgrade it is kind of a downgrade yeah weather wise anyways weather wise probably

00:27:04.540 other wise reason other reasons i have a job back there so you got one lined up yeah and you're

00:27:10.640 graduating like so you're leaving in like a month or two or something yeah like once i graduate i'll

00:27:15.260 be going back like three once my lease is up like three days after yeah okay gotcha but so for the four

00:27:22.500 years you've been single were there any you said there was like a couple month thing here and there

00:27:28.000 yeah like it's not like i've been celibate but like sure it's i don't think that i've never been

00:27:35.340 like i haven't been committed to someone since i was a freshman because i think i kind of learned my

00:27:39.940 lesson with that one where i was like i'm not going to fight for my life to try to wife someone up

00:27:44.020 um and that was what happened all right um okay good to know good to know what about you um

00:27:54.380 i am soon to be single what does that mean soon to be single you want wait look into this camera

00:28:05.660 and say bartholomew i break up with you bartholomew that's his name right i don't know

00:28:15.480 no if i say his name is like too obvious like that will not work so you're currently in a relationship

00:28:19.920 yes like yes like yeah it's just okay um it's been very complicated this has been yeah a really weird

00:28:30.200 the weirdest relationship i've had so far in my life why is it weird because a lot of bad things

00:28:36.300 happened and it was a lot of things you do to him i didn't do anything that's the thing i've been

00:28:40.500 there i've been sitting and getting a lot of dms half the time and it was just like very troubling

00:28:45.980 and it was wait for you to be getting dms or what what was troubling it was just like people saying

00:28:52.100 stuff which i will not open up here but it was just like a lot of outside influences into the

00:28:58.940 relationship oh like girls would dm you saying like yo your boyfriend's cheating on you basically

00:29:05.060 like like worse things what's worse that i will not say here but it's just been a very bad

00:29:11.620 he was like making rumors about you no like i that's like a foreign off like no imagine no

00:29:18.240 no it was just a lot of he's a furry and mad yes i kind of i think yeah he wasn't okay wait so how long

00:29:28.680 have you been uh dating this guy for like

00:29:31.580 technically since july again wait again so it was off i met him last year in january okay um and then

00:29:43.980 i left the country for two months and then i came back so for like a period while i was gone and we

00:29:52.280 were like we took a break because like i was gone i guess and it was just too much and then just like

00:29:59.200 everything went downhill after i came back in a way but we're both graduating so we both had a talk

00:30:04.280 recently of like okay let's just not because we live really far from each other and that didn't work

00:30:11.240 can i just have you scoot your mic this way a little bit this way yeah this way oh sorry you're

00:30:15.560 fine uh so okay uh you've been seeing him for like six months again like july like last year it's like

00:30:24.660 a year basically okay i'll just say yeah but you're gonna end it yes

00:30:31.140 what is he's probably watching what if he's watching right now well we talked and i we've talked

00:30:40.600 like yes we both are in agreement of that take it off 69 keep keep going we are both in agreement

00:30:48.560 of that and it was just like hard at first but again while i was gone it was terrible and we don't

00:30:56.020 live close to each other and i don't need that i don't need to go through that again i don't think

00:31:00.720 he needs to go through that again so it was just it was a mature talk like we're fine but at the same

00:31:07.200 time we both know that we're literally not seeing each other in like three weeks wait so did you get

00:31:12.140 because you said you're in a relationship but you need to break up with him so you had like

00:31:16.020 a pre-breakup breakup talk yeah so it's like hey in a couple weeks it's like we have like an expiration

00:31:24.260 date like we're like it's like you know like things go bad like hey it's gonna go bad that day

00:31:29.720 and after that we're done so is this like one of you you're graduating or yes we're both graduating

00:31:37.280 ending so you'll stay together until the end of the semester or whatever yeah and then you go your

00:31:43.820 separate ways yes huh okay why not just break up with him now because there's still a lot of care

00:31:51.140 towards each other like i care a lot about him and i know like i hope and i believe that he cares as

00:31:57.220 well so basically it's like let's just like appreciate what we've had even though it's been

00:32:02.760 a very troubled road this far yeah and just try to be peaceful for the long time are you guys living

00:32:08.160 together no i will never do that again you both live in santa barbara yes okay hmm so you're

00:32:16.980 planning to break up but you're currently together yes and is the so the breakup is because you guys are

00:32:25.260 just going to be going your separate like moving different areas moving to a different area i think

00:32:30.680 for me like i can't speak for him but like for me it's just like apart from distance like there needs

00:32:36.100 to be a lot of personal growth and i'm i for you or for him for both i think same like i feel like i've

00:32:42.840 been through like a lot in a different relationship and in that one so it's like i don't need to go

00:32:48.040 through that i think it's an actual time for me to like start just focusing on myself because i jump

00:32:53.080 from relationships you're a was it a serial monogamist or whatever not really but it just

00:32:59.280 kind of like happens it's like bad what's bad the dating like i don't know like after a while i'm just

00:33:05.560 like oh like why am i dating again but it's funny all right so you said you got like weird dms about

00:33:14.300 him what i don't know if you can give us a general idea of was he cheating is that basically it

00:33:20.340 things like that kind of happened but that was i was told that in person by people that i thought

00:33:26.520 were my friends and then i was like oh damn you knew that for like a long time until you told me

00:33:30.340 this so like okay uh but the instagram stuff it was more i don't know like how do i say this like

00:33:38.860 dark subjects like i don't know just like very bad things that were like being spread about him

00:33:44.120 and yeah sure exactly okay uh what about you um i'm in a relationship how long have you been

00:33:54.320 in the relationship um about like four to five years

00:33:59.580 is this your longest relationship yeah okay what about you i'm single how long have you been single

00:34:09.140 a year and a half a year longest relationship uh two years and a half all right you're on you're on

00:34:19.200 one of our early shows like i think it was our one of our first like 20 shows uh so that were you in

00:34:26.000 a relationship back then so that was i believe in september of 2022 was when you were on um that was

00:34:33.640 actually when we just started talking so we started dating shortly after okay so you dated him for a

00:34:38.680 little bit yeah but not too long a couple months it sounds like no two and a half years

00:34:43.620 wait because you said you've been single for 1.5 years but you were on the show like a year

00:34:49.040 and a half ago no i was on the show in 2021 no no it was 2022 september 2022 i double checked

00:34:57.860 really take my word for it okay then i start then we were already dating and we had been dating for

00:35:03.460 a year then okay got it okay you um i don't know the exact math on it but you probably either ended

00:35:10.980 it or were single around the time you're on the show what about you um so i was with someone for

00:35:17.320 about 10 years and then we were like on and off we were married we have two kids together um i'm

00:35:22.680 divorced now i'm single and i've probably been single for about a year one year okay any dating

00:35:28.600 prospects in that time period or yes i'm just keeping my options open all right uh actually

00:35:36.320 going back to you really quick you've been single for 1.5 years any current dating prospects um no i

00:35:42.400 actually just got out of uh situationship situationship how long was that um very like

00:35:50.540 my entire college time that i was single but like off and on because it was like also like my best

00:35:57.680 friend that i was like hooking up with so now we're just friends all right what about you um i'm currently

00:36:05.100 running a harem sex cult sorry i'm just kidding i'm single and i've um my longest relationship was

00:36:13.680 seven years from what age to what age um from 13 to 20 damn okay i was like junior high status uh

00:36:22.240 middle school middle school yeah uh how long have you been single um for seven years oh so so longest

00:36:28.040 relationship seven years single for seven years yeah uh in that seven year single period any prospects

00:36:33.760 longest thing in that period i've tried to date but it hasn't um worked out for me so nothing like

00:36:40.420 a month no months three months nothing no anything short term more casual um no i've i've tried i went

00:36:49.660 on like you know one date here or there but nothing more than that uh so you have you been celibate

00:36:58.220 um no there's been a couple times where i've slipped up but i've been celibate for

00:37:05.440 the past couple years now how long have you been celibate like three years or something

00:37:09.900 four four years all right yeah yeah that's pretty good pretty decent period of time uh four years

00:37:17.560 and you've been on dating apps at all or no um i tried to go on tinder and i've had bad experiences

00:37:22.460 on tinder so okay all right celibate for four years good times good times uh is it for like are you

00:37:30.760 religious at all or i'm catholic but okay it's just because i have realized that i don't want to

00:37:38.200 i realized that i don't want to um have sex with someone until i'm in a committed relationship with

00:37:45.240 them okay until you're in a committed so not until marriage but until you're in a relationship

00:37:51.180 yeah okay and so has that been your standard for all the men that you have dated no

00:38:00.640 okay the that one relationship that i was in that was the only relationship that i've been in

00:38:07.300 and then the other people i have hooked up with okay what about you um i have a wonderful boyfriend

00:38:16.600 uh we've been together for six months and is this your longest relationship my longest relationship

00:38:23.240 was a little over a year one year all right andrew wilson what about you

00:38:29.900 i am happily married have been for well over a decade all right and you said you had two kids is it

00:38:40.380 yeah from same same man right yeah okay let me just write that down two kids all right you've got

00:38:46.460 everybody's relationship status so where do we begin we did we oh i wanted to ask okay so do you guys

00:38:53.900 think it's a good look or a bad look to remain friends with an ex starting with you um i i think it

00:39:06.700 depends on oh sorry am i speaking close enough no you're good uh uh yeah sorry i i think it depends on

00:39:13.960 like the person in the situation i feel like it's kind of hard to like give a generalization because

00:39:20.140 like you know i i don't know i would say it really depends there's like obviously certain people that

00:39:26.940 you should like if they've been bad to you like don't stay friends with them but you know i feel

00:39:33.800 like it depends on the well like let's assume that the relationship was otherwise a good one

00:39:38.080 i guess the this question is more so from the frame of you're dating somebody new could remaining

00:39:45.800 friends with an ex become an issue in your new relationship that's kind of the angle for this

00:39:53.000 question yeah um i mean i suppose it could it just depends on like what um relationship you still

00:40:01.100 like if it's really genuinely just friends and i wouldn't see the issue on like both sides like

00:40:06.520 okay if someone's literally just their friend then that's one thing so would you date a guy

00:40:10.960 who's still best like best friends with an ex-girlfriend um yeah i guess if they were genuinely just

00:40:21.820 i feel like it like nothing in the back of your head no i mean maybe i would that would be you know

00:40:31.160 something where i'd be like hmm you know but also as i said i think it it's all situational it's kind

00:40:37.200 of hard to put a generalization um i would say that there's like something a little suspicious about

00:40:42.920 it like i don't think that it's like a lie if someone were to say that they were friends with

00:40:47.820 their ex and i don't i think that's like pretty respectable i guess but i don't think that you just

00:40:51.920 kind of like go back to being friends like once you date someone then that's the status of what

00:40:57.680 your relationship is and so if i were to meet a guy and he was like yeah like i'm besties with my

00:41:01.700 ex i'd be like that's weird like i don't know if i would be 100 comfortable with it and i think that

00:41:06.000 like even if i were to like try to be fine with it i would probably feel kind of insecure and be like

00:41:11.120 why do you like why are you guys still friends like is there like an underlying motive or essentially

00:41:17.320 like i'm your friend i'm your best friend so we're not gonna have you like be besties with the old

00:41:23.780 one there's no reason for the old one she's done respectfully okay there you go what about you

00:41:29.400 um that's like a tough one because it's so situational like i know i've tried being friends

00:41:36.780 with an ex and that didn't work and i don't know like i feel like if i started seeing a guy too i also

00:41:44.800 like would be like very sussed out and like i've been the one that tried to be friends i was like

00:41:50.160 i might be the problem too so i don't know but it's just like because like how close friends are

00:41:59.340 you guys like do you guys just hang out a lot of times like what is how like what is this friendship

00:42:03.260 and like what like what is happening here like what is this relation that you now like you downgraded

00:42:09.460 like what happened there so i don't know i have too many trust issues um i think it depends on the

00:42:17.220 relationship also and um i think sometimes maybe if you're in like a super long-term relationship

00:42:23.760 you might still have connections back with your ex and might be friends with them and

00:42:28.480 it might be just that and i think that could be unproblematic but i think if you're going to make

00:42:34.060 yourself like open to a completely new experience and they know that you're talking to your ex it does

00:42:42.500 look bad so there's two sides to it in my opinion i feel like you can't really be friends with your

00:42:49.360 ex after you guys break up like depending on the relationship you can definitely have a closeness

00:42:53.820 like i'm personally very close with two of my exes but if i were to get into another relationship i

00:42:59.160 would change the dynamic of our like closeness so like the most we talk would be like a happy birthday

00:43:05.000 phone call or something um well i i don't know it just depends on the situation it's kind of a slippery

00:43:12.340 slope when you're friends with an ex um like me and my ex have to co-parent so we have to be cordial

00:43:17.880 but i also feel like there's also that chance that you guys could end up hooking back up and it just kind

00:43:22.640 of starts everything back up um so yeah i think it's really hard to do that

00:43:27.440 i think it would be detrimental to a newfound relationship to be friends with anyone that you

00:43:34.580 were in a relationship with before or hooked up with before um i definitely think it's a huge

00:43:42.100 red flag um i think that there are some situations where it's not as bad but definitely odd

00:43:52.160 okay uh lpe by the way we boosted it back up to 100 just heads up but thank you for the song

00:44:01.120 lpe um we did uh we did change that about 15 minutes ago so it was just uh the 69 tts was for

00:44:09.180 just the first 30 minutes of the show now it's back up to uh it's 100 read to uh well 99 read

00:44:15.800 199 plus uh tts uh okay and then i mean my thoughts on this is easy answer no uh not a good

00:44:26.320 look would not date a girl who is uh friends with her ex you can be on good terms with them you can be

00:44:33.620 have be amicable but if they're like friends and like hanging out that's just it's a no-go hand

00:44:40.680 you have quick thoughts on this one uh no you shouldn't ever be friends with your exes and if

00:44:47.560 you're in a committed relationship of any type you shouldn't have friends of the opposite sex either

00:44:51.700 okay there you go and so i want to ask this question i we won't linger too long on it because

00:44:58.720 we've already we've already talked about this on the show a couple previous times

00:45:02.180 the man versus bear debate maybe you guys seen this viral thing on tiktok social media

00:45:10.180 so if you're walking alone in the woods would you rather come across a bear or a man

00:45:16.400 um i've come across bears i do a lot of hiking so i've they're not like what kind of bears

00:45:26.640 uh thankfully not a grizzly but black bears uh a lot in wyoming was it wyoming yeah okay um

00:45:35.340 i don't know they kind of leave you alone as long as you look down and you back away slowly you don't

00:45:40.720 make yourself look big you're fine so so you have come across you've actually come across a bear

00:45:46.640 were you alone or not walking with friends my mom with a group sister yeah okay and so you did come

00:45:52.900 across an adult black bear yeah okay and so what what did you guys do in that situation um we really

00:46:00.560 just you know it was like far enough away that it wasn't like you know right at our faces or something

00:46:05.780 thankfully otherwise my sister would have freaked out and run away which would have been really bad

00:46:10.060 but um you know you really just you mind your business you look down you back away you don't

00:46:16.440 look you know you don't want to scare the bear obviously or make any sudden movement so it's really just

00:46:21.840 look down back away slowly which i feel like could be the same thing you could do if you see

00:46:26.660 a scary man alone in the woods you look down back away slowly so i think it could go either way

00:46:32.500 okay but i don't think you did do that with the black bear though you look down walked back okay yeah

00:46:38.220 okay or like when you see them like if you're backpacking when you see them you just kind of

00:46:42.860 they don't they just mind their own business they don't really want your stuff do you ever do that

00:46:46.020 have you ever like crossed paths with a man and look down i feel like every time i see a man i don't

00:46:52.200 want to make eye contact oh shit okay all right all right what about you um my friends and i were

00:46:58.540 talking about this debate the other day and i think that it's funny because um i would say a bear

00:47:02.980 i think that if you were to reverse the question respectfully i don't i don't know what guys say to

00:47:10.140 this but i would say a bear because i know that at least like the worst thing that he could do

00:47:14.340 is kill me a man could do a variety of things okay well i'll get everybody's answers we won't

00:47:22.360 linger on this one for too long but i'll get people's answers um a bear because that's easier

00:47:27.320 to scare away a bear is easier to scare away i think isn't like you're supposed to just like

00:47:33.440 scream at them and they like run away that's like the tales i've heard depends on the bear

00:47:37.940 i'd rather the bear still though i don't know i'll take my chances okay so the bear all right what

00:47:43.660 about you um i love bears i wish i could be close to a bear and it not kill me but i'd rather be a

00:47:49.060 man okay i'll take the bear any day you guys are crazy a man for sure a man i would say bear

00:47:59.960 because i like large animals that's a terrible answer well bears are also like dumber like you

00:48:08.740 like if a bear like i would rather be probably like being mauled by a bear would suck but like

00:48:13.840 a man could sneak up on you like they could kill you and like lots of other like really sadistic

00:48:20.720 ways like a bear is just gonna maul you but if you're lost in the woods and you find a man that

00:48:27.860 could help you out or build a fire or build a place for you to stay like over the night wherever you guys

00:48:34.100 are lost like i feel like they'd have a lot more survival skills than at least i would have if i'm

00:48:38.560 lost in the woods oh i thought this was help you though yeah i thought this was a man with a motive

00:48:42.700 though that's the whole thing about like finding a man in the middle of the woods would be the

00:48:46.700 dangerous part but what if they're just i'd rather be alone what if you get lost and there's a man

00:48:50.400 hiking and he has all these survival skills that you personally don't have that could help you in

00:48:54.020 that situation there's a lot of men that would help women yeah but there's also a lot of men that

00:48:59.260 would do the opposite and it's like are you going to take your chances of like i rather trust myself

00:49:03.360 so let me ask so this sort of seems to there's this assumption here that the man would be bad

00:49:11.200 in the situation what percentage like so the the frame here is you take you pluck a totally random man

00:49:19.140 out of say the entire population of the united states totally random man so what percentage of men

00:49:26.340 do you think would attack you a high one i feel like it's also the fact that the man knows that

00:49:36.580 he's alone with you and that he can get away with anything it'd be very different not necessarily

00:49:40.580 on the side of the road like on the side of the road it'd be like okay that man will probably help

00:49:45.100 me but like in the middle of nowhere it's like you really don't know and i wouldn't want to take my

00:49:49.660 chances because i just value my life a little too much so well asking asking the question

00:49:55.740 what since we are talking about you're just picking it's a totally random man it could be a good man

00:50:01.020 could be a bad man could be a neutral man i guess so the good man could conceivably

00:50:05.180 say you're lost in the force he could help you survive could be a neutral man who just

00:50:09.480 walks right by you goes along his way could be a bad man who serial murder whatever what percentage

00:50:17.260 of men do you think if presented with this scenario would actually attack you in some way whatever way

00:50:24.620 that might be are you asking yeah starting with you we'll go around the table i don't know probably

00:50:29.120 not a large percent what do you think i don't know i that's such a broad question i feel like

00:50:36.900 i wouldn't like of the u.s population you mean is that what you said yeah sure oh i don't know

00:50:44.600 a low percentage i would say not a very high percent necessarily give us 10 20 like 30 maybe 30 30

00:50:53.880 a lot am i i don't know well we'll get everybody's answers what about you what do you think i would

00:50:59.780 say maybe like 20 like one in five one one in five men would like try to murder you i don't like i

00:51:06.520 don't know it'll like i think it's really context dependent too like what it what is he doing in the

00:51:11.720 woods alone well you know it's just you've just plopped a random man it's just like by chance

00:51:16.680 totally totally random man i would say probably 20 so one in five men would be inclined to murder a

00:51:22.880 woman if given the chance oh i don't really know like maybe i would say it's probably lower like

00:51:32.300 in reality of in terms of like murder rates or whatever okay i just think that grid one motorsports

00:51:38.960 donated two hundred dollars yo good to see you honest you will never see the man as he knows why

00:51:45.000 will be nothing but a drain on resources and decrease his chance of survival he will simply watch

00:51:50.420 as you give the bear indigestion if you all okay thank you he donated two hundred dollars to say

00:51:57.000 that that's so you don't you don't want to invoke you don't want to invoke his wrath trust me uh

00:52:04.580 okay first girl's answer is mute because she was what okay uh i thought the microphones were muted

00:52:10.900 uh what percentage of men i don't i can't even think about it if i recall you said like a high

00:52:18.640 one majority of someone i said a high one i feel like okay what's high i feel like 30 to 35 like

00:52:26.560 maybe even pushing 40 i feel men are just scary as a woman and like if you're ever alone just in the

00:52:32.840 streets in the city is already scary enough and there are no bears imagine the scenario there's like

00:52:38.060 no one else but just you and a random man okay so random 40 of men would opt to attack you

00:52:46.960 in this situation what about you i'd say a very low percent um did you did you say man or bear i said

00:52:55.320 man okay i'd rather be a man yeah and wait be a man uh i'd rather it be a man oh it's be okay yeah i'd

00:53:02.780 rather the person in the woods be a man than a bear what percentage do you think a very small

00:53:08.240 percentage i think there'd be some men that'd be happy for like another person to find another

00:53:13.160 person in the woods and i think there'd be a low percentage that would want to kill you what

00:53:17.480 percentage two percent maybe one percent okay what do you think um i think there actually be a pretty

00:53:23.640 low percentage who want to like full-on kill you maybe like five like seven percent but like a good

00:53:30.100 30 that would like do something very questionable even if it's like the lowest form of like sexual

00:53:36.200 harassment but like for sure make you uncomfortable maybe even like 40 okay what so when you you mean

00:53:43.100 like they would essay you 40 would essay 40 would make you uncomfortable like they would do something

00:53:49.500 well wouldn't couldn't a man just make you uncomfortable just by walking past you in the

00:53:53.160 woods not even not even doing anything no i'm pretty sure you like you get my point like 40 like for

00:53:59.180 example one would like i don't know like like slap your ass or something like that like something

00:54:04.220 that like is not okay all right that's okay uh you said man what percent what percentage though do you

00:54:12.380 think would like to murder to like rape or like what are we talking about here anything try to you

00:54:17.420 say essay instead if you have to talk about that i'm sorry um i don't know like five to ten it depends

00:54:23.680 what we're talking about five to ten percent of men would try to essay or murder yeah okay what about you

00:54:29.340 i think like very small like 0.1 percent okay what about you yeah i would say like one to two percent

00:54:37.920 but you did pick bear if i recall i did only because i am striving to be a large animal vet

00:54:44.920 so i think that i could actually help the bear if it needed it you know

00:54:48.720 you're not really engaging in good faith with the question but she just wants to come in contact

00:54:55.320 with a bear in the wild i think i know but you're kind of like dancing around the point of the

00:55:00.160 question but uh okay um so the numbers some of you guys provided were pretty high uh well here's what

00:55:11.340 i've got i've got um for the first one she thinks that 33 million men 33 million men would want to

00:55:19.780 and somehow do horrible things to you uh which would include murder the second one's 55 million men

00:55:28.440 by your estimate would want to fix that neck uh do something horrible to you in that situation

00:55:34.560 the other one's estimates were still beyond high but um you really think that 33 million men

00:55:41.800 in the united states want to murder you in a forest if they could like honestly do you think that no i

00:55:47.940 was kind of just shooting a random number i wasn't like i feel like it's so broad i don't know the

00:55:53.820 percentages very for that so i've meant not a lot let's just go with not a lot because okay and then the

00:56:00.640 other one's roughly 55 million you think roughly 55 million men want to murder you in a forest

00:56:06.860 no that is no i would like to say that like the misconception and like the high estimates are

00:56:13.540 coming from the idea that as women we are kind of conditioned to fear the idea of getting attacked

00:56:21.400 by a man and and be afraid of that and so our estimate would be high because we already think the

00:56:27.260 probability of getting attacked would be high given that women are not necessarily safe when they

00:56:32.760 walk alone i think that's that's where the misconception is yeah it doesn't that seem to

00:56:37.100 you to be illegitimate though if you if your estimates are so high that you believe that as many as 55

00:56:43.880 million men in your native nation would just murder you in a forest if they happen to be alone with you

00:56:50.060 i mean okay so i can that kind of conditioning might be a little bit absurd i'll retract my estimate

00:56:56.540 um if it bothers you but i would say that well i mean i can stand by the fact that like maybe

00:57:04.280 there's an over why would you retract it because it bothers me wouldn't you seem a little bothered

00:57:08.880 that's why yeah wouldn't you retract it though because you don't actually believe that 55 million men

00:57:15.020 in your native nation would murder you horribly if they were in a forest with you you're you're right

00:57:19.980 that's i think that it was inaccurate but i'm saying that even though it was inaccurate i'm speaking

00:57:25.200 to the inaccuracy and saying the reason why was because lots of women fear being attacked by men

00:57:31.300 yeah but that doesn't sound like it's very justified that they fear that i are you a woman when we start

00:57:37.000 if when we start talking about the actual do i need to be a woman to note if it's justified by the

00:57:43.140 numbers whether you should fear that or not i don't understand um i don't be able to use my logical

00:57:47.600 brain even if i don't have a vagina to take note as to whether or not this is possible or not

00:57:52.740 possible do i need to be a woman to note that 55 million men obviously and clearly don't want to

00:58:00.200 kill you in a forest did i need to be a woman to know that i think you're a little stuck on the

00:58:03.940 number i think like really what we're talking about is is the female experience which you can't speak to

00:58:08.320 yeah but i can speak to the male experience and don't you think the male experience can speak to

00:58:13.180 the male experience of how many men i think would actually want to hurt you well i'm really happy

00:58:17.740 how come you're only only your bias opinion matters the male experience i would think would

00:58:23.280 be able to speak much more highly as to how many men would actually be determined to do some harm to

00:58:28.840 you if you were in the middle of a forest and they came across uh you in the forest um you're right but

00:58:34.180 this is a podcast of women and we're talking about women so that's why well it's a podcast of women but

00:58:39.040 there's clearly men on the panel it's not well you're talking a lot for what it's not ours it's not

00:58:44.000 our job to kiss your ass because you're a woman i'm having an adult conversation with you so i

00:58:49.140 didn't ask you to kiss my ass i don't know why i need to look at everything from feminist standpoint

00:58:53.400 theory or from your perspective when you so easily dismiss mine i'm telling you that your number is

00:58:58.680 absurd it makes no sense and as you retract it you very quickly retracted it because you realized how

00:59:05.220 absurd it was why would you say that i have to be a woman in order to speak to this that's that seems

00:59:09.640 insane i i didn't say that i said that i was talking about my estimate and you're right my

00:59:15.260 estimate was over inflated but i explained to you why it was over inflated yeah i know but the

00:59:21.840 reasoning so i still have to take everything through a logical prism so even if you tell me

00:59:26.900 the reason that it was over inflated is because of x that still has to make sense saying that it was

00:59:32.580 this way because i just felt like it should be that way that doesn't actually make any logical sense

00:59:37.400 there's you're not basing that on anything other than how you feel right right no she based it on

00:59:42.220 the fact that we're conditioned we like we're actually taught to think this way not just by our

00:59:47.120 mothers but by our fathers especially like in the hispanic household like our fathers will be the one

00:59:52.420 that tells you don't trust the man in the wood uh yeah but that's really kind of strange because even

00:59:58.860 right here on this panel the estimates are wildly different as to how many women think that they would

01:00:04.580 or would not be assaulted or murdered by men so when you say we are taught that like as a collective

01:00:10.560 that clearly can't be true as there's many women on this very panel who gave wildly different answers

01:00:15.560 right yes but not every man is a good father who teaches his daughters to be wary of a certain type

01:00:21.920 of man you know not everyone is brought up in the same way that sounds like an indictment of being

01:00:27.840 raised by mothers only mothers only what do you mean i was like there would be nothing wrong with

01:00:33.540 that but yeah there wouldn't but i'm confused on your point well because because if you're saying

01:00:37.840 that it would require some kind of strong um man in the home to condition a daughter to know what type

01:00:44.760 of man to look for wouldn't that be an indictment of being in only a single mother home that that

01:00:49.280 probably wouldn't be good for a kid no because i start off that statement saying that it's not just

01:00:54.600 mothers that do that that it's also fathers so therefore like it's both parents who have the

01:00:59.500 ability to teach their children about these things what was it your father or your mother who told you

01:01:04.960 that such a wildly disproportionate amount of men were going to assault you in a forest if you came

01:01:09.580 across one if i'm going to be honest it was both but it was mainly my father who wouldn't even let me go

01:01:14.460 to a sleepover because of things like this yeah but i mean there's a distinction between not wanting

01:01:20.480 to let your teenage daughter go to sleepovers under certain types of conditions uh rather than an

01:01:26.560 indictment of men and that men are going to just do horrible things to you that that seems kind of

01:01:32.120 silly right well no because he actually like like taught me like why it wasn't like you know what i

01:01:38.280 mean like he didn't just say you can't go to a sleepover because i don't want you to he told me the

01:01:41.880 reasoning behind it and like gave me a little talk you know yeah so that's not really an indictment of men

01:01:47.480 that might have just been an indictment of the situation right i love that we said i think what

01:01:53.140 she's saying is that the numbers are so different because everyone has a different background experience

01:01:57.980 of what they heard from growing up nobody actually knows what percentage we're just all guessing so

01:02:04.280 some have a higher percentage because that's what they the information they receive growing up

01:02:08.460 some have a lower percentage because that's the information they receive but no one really knows

01:02:12.980 exactly yeah but that's why we're we're kind of having a back and forth on it right we can assume

01:02:17.800 that nobody knows the answer for sure but we can still reason things out to make a determination so

01:02:24.220 like let me ask this question a slightly different way let's assume all of you were trapped in a forest

01:02:29.640 you were in a horrible plane wreck and you were actually trapped in a forest and there was a bear

01:02:34.560 there now the bear hadn't been overtly aggressive but you have been avoiding it like the plague

01:02:39.020 you didn't want to find out um you're trapped in the forest the bear is there you happen to come

01:02:45.060 across a man on the trail who has not noticed you yet would you ask him for help 100 go ahead

01:02:53.160 going around the table would you ask him for help oh um yeah if i'm lost in the forest yeah

01:03:00.780 yeah would you would you ask for help um before i answer this i think that like i can see where your

01:03:06.660 logic is going where it's like oh why would you trust a random man if you were endangered

01:03:09.860 just answer the question please well okay yes but i think i know where you're going with this that's

01:03:15.580 just what i'm gonna say okay and then next one would you would you would you ask for help

01:03:20.340 um probably not probably not you'd stay trapped in the middle of the forest with a bear okay next one

01:03:29.380 would you would you ask for help yeah i would if it was a man or woman or they or anything yeah yeah

01:03:35.300 but it's a man specifically oh and he has a rifle yeah right yeah i still would and then next would

01:03:41.180 you would you ask him for help i'd eye him out first yeah i know but you invite him out he just

01:03:48.400 he looks like a normal man just like you know ted bundy did and jeffrey dommer did he looks like a

01:03:52.400 normal person i mean yeah yeah okay and then next would you yes but i think if you put the situation

01:04:01.600 hang on no qualifiers yet hang on i just want to get everybody's answer the next yes i would

01:04:06.180 you would and then next yes 100 okay so so now we can give all the qualifiers now that the whole

01:04:13.540 table's gone around so can you guys explain to me the logic of when you're asked the question would

01:04:18.380 you rather be trapped in the middle of a forest with a bear or a man you say the bear but then when

01:04:24.040 asked if you were trapped in a forest with a bear and a man came along to give you help out of the

01:04:28.780 forest that you would ask the man for help can you explain that to me i really would like to

01:04:33.400 understand the logic um oh um i don't think i even answered actually the first time around i just said

01:04:41.460 i've seen a bear so i don't no you said you would prefer the bear because you've seen them

01:04:48.260 and that you know you know how to deal with them because you're an experienced hiker and

01:04:51.660 i don't know if i'd say that um i don't know i think i think being trapped with another person

01:04:58.420 is obviously probably preferable just because you can have help like building shelter whatever

01:05:05.260 finding water you know whatever you can and then but then with a bear you're if you're trapped in the

01:05:11.900 woods you're pretty much always with the bear that's their home that's where they okay so and then

01:05:18.400 next next gal can you tell me why uh why you would do that in in contrast to your own logic

01:05:24.160 i'm just curious um i think that it would just be out of desperation like in that sense like

01:05:29.200 it wouldn't be who's more dangerous or whatever the argument is supposed to be it would just be a

01:05:34.140 matter of like you know oh my god there's a bear over there and we're two humans and that's a bear

01:05:40.200 i don't think it's a it's not on the basis of gender well i didn't say it was on the basis of

01:05:46.360 gender but it can you understand that it's really really strange to me to hear if you're asked would

01:05:51.780 you rather be trapped in the forest with a man or a bear and then when you say a bear i say and if you

01:05:58.280 were trapped with a bear and it hadn't even shown signs of aggression but you hadn't approached it

01:06:02.480 because it could and a man came by would you ask for help you say yes you see why that sounds absurd to

01:06:08.240 me no no well because in in contrast to this you're basically trusting a man the same exact way

01:06:17.780 to help you get out of this situation but if you were put in the situation with a man you would not

01:06:23.280 help they expect a man to help you get out of the situation it makes no sense i'm in that and in that

01:06:28.080 sense first of all this isn't really a logic game so i don't want to certainly approach it 100 with

01:06:32.240 logic i think that there's some legitimacy to approach the situation with emotion because i think

01:06:36.460 everyone would be kind of scared i think in this situation you would be trusting a man to protect

01:06:41.180 you against a bear as opposed to trusting yourself to make the decision against whether or not you're

01:06:45.880 going to choose the man or the bear yeah so then why wouldn't you prefer to be trapped with the man

01:06:49.900 instead of the bear if your assumption is that the man's going to protect you from the bear well i

01:06:54.700 guess you could say that i could sure i could approach the man when i saw the bear and i have to

01:06:58.580 trust that he's not going to attack me too but like i guess then it's just kind of a lesser of two evils

01:07:03.360 how but then why wouldn't you prefer to be trapped with a man over a bear if you're hoping that the

01:07:09.620 man would extract you from being trapped with a bear i i don't know which situation you're presenting

01:07:15.500 here is it you alone and there's one or the other or both at the same time yeah if it's you alone or

01:07:20.300 there's one or the other you can be trapped with a bear you can be trapped with a man you prefer to

01:07:24.040 be trapped with a bear however in this situation where you are trapped with a bear you would still if a

01:07:28.960 man was coming by request his aid in making sure that you could get out of being trapped with a bear

01:07:34.360 that that's nonsensical it makes no sense it's completely irrational humans don't always behave

01:07:41.480 rationally yeah but when they don't behave rationally shouldn't they behave rationally not

01:07:48.920 necessarily do you think that human beings should behave irrationally we're not robots like it's not

01:07:54.080 like should i try to put a square tire on my car like are do you always behave rationally yes

01:08:01.380 a hundred percent all the time yes you've never gotten emotional and like made a rash comment or

01:08:07.360 anything like that just because i'm emotional doesn't mean i become irrational but to my knowledge

01:08:11.560 i've never become irrational it's possible perhaps that i have had too much to drink at certain points

01:08:17.280 my life or something like this where i've lost my faculties um but yes when i'm in my normal state

01:08:24.560 of mind i don't believe that i become irrational no okay i mean i don't i don't know i don't think that

01:08:34.480 rationality is something that generally people strive towards i just think you're kind of

01:08:38.480 oversimplifying the human experience by saying that like you know you're a perfectly rational being

01:08:43.040 and all these things would just innately make sense to you like there's plenty of evidence that

01:08:48.100 people make quote-unquote illogical decisions by your definition all the time yeah but that doesn't

01:08:55.200 mean that they should well i don't think that humans should or shouldn't behave no one no one wakes up

01:09:01.900 in the morning and says i'm going to behave illogically yeah i know so they shouldn't do that then i like

01:09:07.340 that you wake up every morning and decide that you're going to behave logically that doesn't mean that

01:09:10.320 you will yeah but i should well okay everyone should sure right that's my whole point so if

01:09:17.620 everybody should then just saying that hey not everybody does isn't really much of an argument

01:09:23.340 because we still agree that they should behave rationally so when you when we have these scenarios

01:09:29.860 and and you kind of give me an irrational logical basis for why it is that you choose a over b

01:09:36.960 shouldn't that question your foundations shouldn't you question your own foundations then in your

01:09:41.420 own emotions to think well wait a second perhaps i'm behaving irrationally and i shouldn't do that

01:09:47.300 by your own admission you should not behave irrationally right

01:09:50.520 um like i i see your point sure but i don't know i don't think that i like have necessarily like

01:10:02.320 the strongest motivation to like perfectly behave rationally at all times i always think that there's

01:10:06.600 like a better like an answer that's better explained by the context in that situation

01:10:12.160 well i mean sure there could be answers which are better explained in the context of the situation but

01:10:19.140 they would be rational answers right you really like this word rational do you have any others

01:10:24.040 uh do you prefer logical i just i mean you seem to like the word emotional do you know any others

01:10:30.440 um sure i i just yeah sure i just i just think that you just seem really stuck on the idea of logic

01:10:38.180 and and like i just don't think that this is really an argument about logic unless you're trying

01:10:42.640 to prove a point about you know women how it's illogical yeah about women supposedly thinking it's

01:10:47.920 illogical to fear being alone in the woods with a man well it seemed to be by your own logic

01:10:53.260 that it it's an irrational fear if you would still allow a man to extract you out of a situation

01:10:59.160 with a bear why you wouldn't just want to be trapped with a man to begin with that that seems

01:11:04.040 totally irrational it's essentially the same scenario you just remove one item and suddenly

01:11:10.060 the entire situation changes and there's really no reason for it to change it doesn't really make

01:11:14.740 any sense they're both still strangers in this scenario they're both still men in this scenario

01:11:19.420 you're still actually technically trapped with both of them in this scenario but you would still

01:11:23.420 you're right it's so different though because like if there's a bear and a man it's like a whole

01:11:29.100 different situation because like what man in the right mind is gonna still think about like

01:11:33.960 s-a-n-u while there's a bear right there like that's like okay need just take out the bear and

01:11:38.180 then get you one bear at that point so i'm saying is that there's not man woman bear it's just two

01:11:42.980 humans that like that's why we're choosing that option because it's just like

01:11:46.540 those two humans against the bear is like way better logically yeah i know but if that's the

01:11:53.360 case then why would you choose the bear to begin with that makes no sense logically well but if you're

01:12:00.020 alone with only the man that is scarier than you are with both you have more chances just face i guess

01:12:06.780 the bear would be if you want to like say it it's a greater evil because you can't really communicate

01:12:12.280 and say like please don't attack me but still as much like as a woman safer just like not be alone

01:12:21.160 with the stranger and that stranger being also a male like a full man like but yeah if you were by

01:12:26.880 your own admission to ask a stranger who is a man for help and assistance because you were trapped with

01:12:32.100 a bear you're essentially putting the same trust in him as if you were trapped with him because he would

01:12:37.800 also probably be scared of the bear so he would probably put his life first instead of thinking

01:12:43.580 of anything else contradicting to your answer because well he doesn't even know that the bear

01:12:48.240 is there right he doesn't even know because you're you're asking him for help but like doesn't even

01:12:54.120 know about the bear the bear is irrelevant to him but you would ask him for help to extract you from

01:12:58.380 the situation that's putting your hand or your life in the hands of a strange man using your own words

01:13:03.480 it would be more rational for the man to be afraid afraid of the bear compared to me just gerald donated

01:13:09.300 two hundred dollars i just like you know like we should just like i don't know like like a human

01:13:17.720 like isn't like i just like don't want to be wrong like it's literally yeah no i i i literally my

01:13:26.300 english i think that there's a good possibility that a man would be less afraid of a bear than you would

01:13:32.680 be but the point of the question is to ask you who you would prefer to be trapped with a strange man

01:13:39.220 or a bear and the answer is a bear but you would still put your trust in a strange man who you did

01:13:44.520 not know to extract you from the situation of being with a bear that's where it becomes irrational to me

01:13:50.840 where i don't where i lose the plot i don't understand anymore because it seems like you're just doing

01:13:55.320 the same exact thing do you guys get what he's saying or no i just want to like like backtrack into like

01:14:02.300 so the second scenario we are there we are in a bad situation there is a bear that we are aware of

01:14:07.860 and this strange man doesn't know and we can ask him for help yeah is and the bear is like not doing

01:14:14.040 anything it's just there yeah it has not overtly shown signs of aggression to you being trapped with

01:14:20.680 it yet you haven't but you haven't approached it you haven't done any of that you've been hiding

01:14:26.220 from the bear which i assume you would probably hide from a bear i don't assume that you would

01:14:29.760 approach it because none of you seem like you're stupid right you wouldn't approach a wild bear

01:14:33.940 would you no i'm not like no no no you're not approaching a wild bear so you have not approached

01:14:39.840 this wild bear uh you've been hiding from it you see a man he's in the forest he's got a rifle slung

01:14:47.020 he's walking through the forest he's by himself you're in the middle of nowhere you're you're you're

01:14:52.060 otherwise trapped would you ask him for help i'll keep hiding from both so you would stay trapped with

01:14:59.920 the bear rather than ask him for help i think the yeah so in order to be logically consistent

01:15:05.940 you would stay trapped with a bear in the middle of a forest rather than ask a man who you did not

01:15:13.940 know for help to get you out of the situation of being trapped with a bear in the forest and that does

01:15:19.820 that sound like that's rational either but it's not a rational situation it's not a rational scenario

01:15:25.500 it is a hypothesis but sure in fact i can give you one such situation where something similar to this

01:15:31.260 happened absent a bear yeah you can look this up i just did the other night when this came up because

01:15:37.180 it had triggered a memory about this there was a woman um she her plane went down over the amazon

01:15:43.540 and it was in the amazon rainforest and it crashed and it broke her arm badly and she was wounded badly

01:15:51.300 and she was trapped in the amazon following the water for five days totally wounded she thought she

01:15:58.720 was going to die and guess who she asked for help you'll never guess oh was it a man across she came

01:16:06.320 across a hut with two men and she went into the hut and laid down and begged them for help begged them

01:16:14.720 please and of course they didn't trap her and essay her these amazonians they went and got her help

01:16:23.460 after they patched her up of course and uh got her out of there and then um she made a full recovery it's

01:16:29.640 uh it's quite an amazing story it's very very rare that such a thing happens but it does happen such

01:16:36.020 things do actually happen so it's not really an irrational scenario um it's a it's a good thought

01:16:42.220 exercise that maps onto reality so i just want to ask you one more time you would hide from the man

01:16:47.900 and stay trapped with the bear i just want to make sure that that's your answer so i have actually

01:16:53.440 something that maybe you would like some evidence hang on hang on just let her answer real quick

01:16:57.200 give your answer switch it nick yeah i think that was a beautiful story and that's very nice very glad

01:17:03.180 that that happened to her but i would probably hide i would just be scared in general yeah you

01:17:07.840 would stay trapped with a bear in the middle of the forest rather than ask for help from okay yeah

01:17:12.520 all right can i give can i give like a little more realistic of a situation so say you're like at a

01:17:17.980 bar or at a club how much more likely is it when everyone's intoxicated that you get s8 as a woman

01:17:23.540 i think a lot more likely and it's a more real situation i think that's kind of what

01:17:27.280 women are trying to speak up against these days what in the world does that have to do with this

01:17:33.260 scenario well i'm just saying if we're being more realistic about scenarios that happen today for

01:17:38.920 college girls or girls in their 20s or early 30s when they go to bars and clubs yes you could avoid

01:17:43.940 the situation and not put yourself in that space but it does happen a lot yeah but what in the world

01:17:50.480 would that have to do with this scenario it's i still don't understand i get i understand that you're

01:17:55.160 saying in a situation right as to why women feel who who's at a club or something like this you

01:18:01.380 should be very cautious about i'm just saying this is why women feel intimidated by men you know

01:18:07.500 because they've had experiences like that and i picked man and i would yeah i mean i get it i

01:18:12.500 understand that but i'm not sure how that maps on to being trapped with a bear in the wilderness i'm

01:18:16.980 not sure how that maps on at all i'm not referring to that situation i'm saying let's put ourselves in a

01:18:23.520 more realistic situation because most of us don't go out you mean change the entirety of the hypothetical

01:18:28.060 right but i'm just saying that this is where it's coming from a lot of women have had those

01:18:34.200 experiences because some so let me get this right so because some women have their drinks spiked in

01:18:39.260 bars and get s8 that means they shouldn't ask for help if they were ever in the wilderness trapped

01:18:43.900 with a bear no that makes sense to you that's not what i'm saying at all i'm saying that's why you

01:18:49.680 should stick with the premise of the hypothetical because otherwise we're going to end up with all

01:18:53.000 kinds of absurd conclusions right it's not an absurd conclusion it's what happens these days

01:18:59.020 if you're wondering why these women would pick bear over man it's probably because they've had an

01:19:04.360 experience where a man has assaulted them in one way or another let us assume for a moment that um you

01:19:13.640 had been assaulted by multiple men okay uh which i'm sure has happened to all sorts of different women

01:19:21.400 um why in the world would that make it more or less rational to trust a a man you do not know if

01:19:30.440 you're in a situation where you were trapped with a bear can you can you make that make sense for me

01:19:34.840 um here go ahead go ahead wait well the i believe the question is directed at you okay say that one

01:19:44.080 more time why even even assuming that a woman had been many times s8 uh under the circumstances that

01:19:52.340 you're talking about which is horrific um can you explain to me why that would make it more rational

01:19:58.380 rational for her to not request that a man ate her a strange man ate her that she did not know if she

01:20:06.500 was trapped with a bear in the forest why would that be suddenly a more rational decision i don't

01:20:11.600 understand that i don't think i ever said it'd be a more rational decision um i just think that some

01:20:17.640 women have a hard time trusting men because of experiences that they've had in their life that's

01:20:22.280 really then it's irrational so then there would be irrational still even if that had happened so even

01:20:27.640 if i grant the entire premise of why you feel that way it still would not be rational to not

01:20:34.000 request aid from a from a strange man if you were trapped in the wilderness with a bear yeah i've

01:20:40.420 never disagreed on that yeah so it would still be irrational so i don't i still don't even understand

01:20:45.800 the premise then it's it's what she's saying is irrational it makes no sense i got a couple questions

01:20:52.560 on this and then we'll move on to a new topic nick feel free to show that one and then i'll read a

01:20:56.980 couple chats here uh so does it does it change anything if you were instead of the venue or the

01:21:05.920 location being a forest would your answer change if it was just a room a 10 by 10 room that were

01:21:12.620 stuck in the room would you rather be in a room 10 by 10 room with a bear or a random man randomly

01:21:21.240 selected man so it could be a man who would be inclined to murder you or it could be a perfectly it could be

01:21:26.220 uh i'm sure you guys have all met good decent men could be a good decent man too more likely to be

01:21:34.140 anyways i shouldn't well i shouldn't preempt that but uh which do you pick if you're in a room the man

01:21:41.080 i don't want to be in a room with a bear um i don't know like i think that one i think it does

01:21:50.080 change it because like the woods is totally different than like an enclosed space um so

01:21:56.840 yeah i don't know if i could really pick one um i think that i just wanted to speak on one last thing

01:22:04.740 i think that when we talk about like oh it would be so irrational for someone to not want to be in

01:22:10.960 the woods with a man as opposed to a bear there's the idea of the availability heuristic where the things

01:22:18.800 that are the most salient in your mind will end up like determining the logic that someone has in

01:22:25.000 that situation so we hear a lot more about like men potentially assaulting women and sure we hear

01:22:32.780 about bear attacks too and so people would be likely to be afraid of that like the classic example is like

01:22:37.960 an airplane crash and people are afraid of flying on airplanes even though statistically it's not likely

01:22:41.680 to happen so statistically i may have miscalculated and said that 20 of men were likely to attack me

01:22:47.300 that's not logical at all um but that would still you could root it you could root it in the logic of

01:22:52.900 the availability heuristic well there is no such thing as a logic of availability logic is not like

01:22:58.040 kung fu your kung fu is not better than my kung fu there is only one kung fu in this situation there's

01:23:04.240 only one logic there is not different forms of it there's just one form of it so the same thing with

01:23:10.860 uh rationality rationality would be if you're saying something which maps on to logic or not

01:23:17.000 and so if you're saying something which is irrational it's not logical it makes no sense it doesn't map

01:23:22.100 onto it so it's not it's not like kung fu where you can say my kung fu my logic better than your logic

01:23:28.620 there is only one logic okay if that's the way that you want to interpret logic then no no that's the

01:23:36.540 only way it's like math okay here let me demonstrate it for you let me demonstrate it for you so that

01:23:41.420 you know that i'm telling the truth hang on can two plus two ever not equal four

01:23:46.400 like if i were to like think about the logic of math maybe there's someone who could come

01:23:54.900 no no can two plus two ever not equal four

01:23:57.660 by the rules of math probably not i don't know do you guys and the rules of math would be an extension

01:24:04.480 of logic right um well life isn't exactly like math unless there was missing information yeah

01:24:10.720 but i just i just want to make sure that we're clear that there can be there can't if there can

01:24:14.980 be no your math my math right there cannot be a unless there was missing you have a math where two

01:24:20.280 plus two does not equal four and i have a math where two plus two does equal four two plus two has to

01:24:26.100 equal four right unless there's missing information because two plus two if there's missing information in

01:24:33.280 the middle what do you mean no it literally there is no what missing information if there's missing

01:24:39.420 the question is two plus two equals four so what would be an example of missing information that would

01:24:45.620 be like two plus two plus three no that would be if two plus parentheses two times two parentheses

01:24:52.760 plus two equals four that would be it would be illogical if you were into the mic please

01:24:59.140 yes so two plus two could not equal four only if there was missing information what missing

01:25:05.880 information if the two give us an example okay if there were two was referring to another group so

01:25:12.520 if you're saying um a plus b equals four no okay so what's sorry go ahead okay i'm sorry i've never

01:25:23.120 heard this before so um please just try to explain yeah i mean i agree two plus two always equals four

01:25:28.460 if you don't have any missing information but if you have what so assuming that you have all the

01:25:34.720 information i understand what you're saying you're saying that two could be a representative of some

01:25:39.140 other category that is not two right but if two is a representative of some other category which is

01:25:45.020 not two then it is no longer two correct then yeah then it's no longer two yeah it's no longer the

01:25:52.140 the same question so it it assuming that i think talking to her talking to her point what she's

01:25:59.300 saying is that there is missing information when you guys talk about this question about man versus

01:26:05.340 bear you there's missing information like you guys are putting it up to like make fun of women for

01:26:12.120 feeling like bad about um feeling scared of a man that's what i hear when i hear the question

01:26:18.140 you know that's just feeling okay well i'd like to finish if it's possible so i think that

01:26:23.800 you know women were taught from a young age like in middle school i was shown a video

01:26:29.560 about all the things that men could do to you like they could go into your cars and slash your achilles

01:26:34.560 yeah yeah hang on hang on hang on before we get into this though and i'll let you make your point

01:26:38.800 because i want you to be able to can we get back to this idea that two plus two there's some scenario

01:26:46.020 where two plus two is not going to equal four yeah so two groups of three would not equal four

01:26:53.320 hang on hang on that there's there's no scenario where if you understand that two represents two

01:27:00.320 ones and another two represents two ones that it is impossible to add four ones together and not get

01:27:07.800 four i agree without any missing information i agree but okay so then i'm comparing it to her hang on so

01:27:15.080 then hang on i just want to make sure we're clear okay so then it can't be her math versus my math

01:27:18.900 that's why i was making the or trying to get her to understand there's only one way to do logic

01:27:23.820 because there's laws which govern logic just like there's laws which govern mathematics that's that's

01:27:28.940 my point yes so in one one add-on question here in a scenario where there's you're presented with two

01:27:35.800 plus two what would be the scenario where there could ever be quote unquote missing information

01:27:42.780 from an uh an equation so that would be if two was referring to an like an amount so if you're

01:27:53.000 like you know in in school we're learned that it's ones like how andrew said one plus one plus one plus one

01:27:58.660 but two could be referring not like two dozens she's making she's making she's making a category

01:28:06.300 here so what she's saying is she's saying you could have two as a representative of something

01:28:11.440 which is not two ones yes we're taught in school that two is represented by two ones can you pull up

01:28:18.580 a tab can you pull up a tab uh a note just a blank notepad and then just write two plus two

01:28:28.760 yeah well a calculator is gonna always be in the ones and tens just like we're taught are you talking

01:28:36.880 about like x and y a and b no i'm talking about ones and tens i think andrew knows what i'm talking

01:28:45.860 about do you is she making sense andrew because i'm not following at all i'm trying to be as

01:28:50.680 charitable to this as i possibly can so i just want to make sure i got it clear i think that what

01:28:55.760 you're saying you can correct me if i'm wrong that you can utilize the representation of the number two

01:29:02.200 to refer to information that has nothing to do with two ones correct yes okay got it that that you

01:29:10.780 can do but then the value two no longer represents what we're saying when we say two right yes okay

01:29:18.240 so that yeah i mean you can do that but it's just kind of meaningless ultimately to the question of

01:29:22.840 yeah well i also feel like we're doing the thing with a man versus bear where it's becoming to that

01:29:28.080 point too where we're like you know you're trying to like put someone down for feeling like they're

01:29:34.620 scared of a man i think where they're going with it it's not really anything like that i think

01:29:41.560 they're just saying like if you for some reason were stuck somewhere you would you be rather be

01:29:48.880 with someone that could help you possibly or with a bear that they're it's just they're in nature they

01:29:55.520 don't have any instinct of helping you or getting you out i agree that that's the question but i'm

01:29:59.560 talking about the intention of the question when you talk about it in a group like this like

01:30:03.540 you're trying to look at women and say like oh isn't that funny that you're afraid to be alone

01:30:08.060 with a man no no i think that's what i hear that's what i hear that's what i hear to her you're saying

01:30:14.760 like oh ha ha like no it is i don't because i agree with your view so so hang on let me be charitable

01:30:19.840 to your view i also think that the intent of the question is to get to something deeper that's what

01:30:25.740 you're saying here right the intent of the question is to get at something deeper but that's what i'm

01:30:30.200 doing with the logical cross-examination is trying to see if when we go deeper if this makes less

01:30:36.560 sense or more sense you say that that's to laugh at you but i think that it's it it's not to laugh

01:30:42.260 at you but it's to make a determination as to what is rational and true versus what's what's based

01:30:47.800 purely on emotion and so that's not shaming you is it rational shaming you isn't it the opposite of

01:30:55.060 shaming you to say listen i'd like to rationally go through this to see if this actually makes sense

01:31:01.380 and i'm going to treat you as a peer while we do that that seems like the opposite of shaming

01:31:05.120 yeah well you did that to her and now i think it's time to move on

01:31:09.340 move well hold on i mean he did that to her did what i don't think he was trying to like shame her

01:31:14.740 or anything i think he was just like personally i don't i don't feel shamed i just don't think that

01:31:19.240 you were really trying to understand my point it came off like you were trying to look at this as a

01:31:23.700 logic game when we all know that it's not it is it is like kind of well like i think that the point

01:31:30.160 is that like i don't see the whole this whole scenario as necessary in the same way that you

01:31:38.460 do and that's fine i i just think that obviously we were trying to get at something deeper and people

01:31:44.080 were trying to explain that from their own experience from emotion or whatever it is that

01:31:48.680 you think is um superficial in this sense or i don't know exactly how you're viewing it i just

01:31:54.000 think that in this situation that's where people were coming from and the idea of trying to boil it

01:32:00.100 down to just a logic game is aside from the how else can we determine how can we make determinations

01:32:06.420 about whether or not something's a rational fear or an irrational fear or something makes sense or it

01:32:13.180 doesn't make sense unless we use logic and we use some way to probe this from some unstained

01:32:19.080 changing standard which logic would be to make a determination as to whether or not hey there

01:32:24.660 could just be a mass delusion going on here perhaps you do think these things from the position of how

01:32:29.620 you feel that's fine i'm not saying you can't feel that way i'm just saying it could be irrational

01:32:34.020 that you feel that way and so how am i supposed to discuss it with you if you just shut down and say

01:32:39.620 but i hate that logic stuff because all that matters is how i feel doesn't that seem again

01:32:44.420 irrational i think that it's just a sensitive topic so people get heated over it wait you were

01:32:49.460 going to come in on something yeah i was just going to comment on the whole rationality thing like

01:32:54.460 i think her point is that like this doesn't have anything to do with like rationality because

01:32:59.080 it's like putting on a seat belt like you put on your seat belt just because like in case it's

01:33:04.240 like in case situation like you're not going to choose the man in case something were to happen

01:33:08.920 it's not just be it's not because we're like oh there's like this this percentage that it's

01:33:13.200 going to happen to me today today's the day like if i choose the man it's gonna like no no one's

01:33:16.920 thinking about it in that way it's just like can i ask you a question so then but then but then

01:33:21.740 hang on i get it but but wouldn't that be irrational then christine donated two hundred dollars

01:33:31.060 irrational as a female i will be honest and say that this bear versus man debate is just a low-key

01:33:36.960 way for us women to remind you men that we hate you and or have a low level contempt towards your

01:33:42.240 gender f you damn i don't i mean i do actually think that's what it is there is no there's no

01:33:48.700 it's not rational it's not logical it's simply social signal signaling about how much women either

01:33:54.860 don't like men or how they feel this is a perception how they feel they are unsafe around men

01:34:01.660 can you let me finish my statement the reason i think this i just want to give you my perspective

01:34:05.820 real quick and then i'll turn it back over right um i think that you that people could put themselves

01:34:12.180 especially women in much greater danger by only appealing to their emotion instead of refusing to

01:34:18.500 appeal to logic rationality uh but rather just appealing to emotion i think that that's a way that

01:34:24.320 people put themselves in much higher categories of danger so when i take uh when i'm assessing this

01:34:29.940 i think well you maybe you're also doing something which is horrible for you and you don't even

01:34:34.680 realize that you're doing something which is horrible for you if you know what i mean how can i

01:34:38.600 how can i make those assessments as to whether or not you're even doing what's in your own best

01:34:42.240 interest if i can't rationally analyze it if i have to just go off of your emotions you had something

01:34:47.700 i was just gonna say logically are you scared of something that's bigger than you

01:34:52.500 that's stronger than you us as women we are weaker to men so i think it is a little bit of a

01:34:58.700 survival instinct just to be on the lookout i mean if we're talking about rationality and

01:35:02.760 logic i'm not saying no i'm not saying that men that all men are bad and will hurt you i think most

01:35:08.600 men i'm not saying that either but i'm saying logically that you ask you're stronger than me

01:35:13.460 yeah but the question that you asked is isn't it logical to be afraid of things which are bigger

01:35:18.700 and stronger than you well then by that logic men should be afraid of many other men right right so

01:35:24.680 like if you're in a fight for example and the guy is way bigger than you aren't you going to be a

01:35:29.080 little bit more nervous to fight him for example yeah so that would be rational so in this particular

01:35:35.440 case then what's bigger a man or a bear are we still on this i thought we were just talking about

01:35:41.940 men can we talk about yeah no but i'm just i'm following your logic can we talk about who attacks

01:35:46.980 more women because if the logic if the logic is if something is bigger and stronger you should be

01:35:51.420 more afraid of it and i agree with you that that's true then we would immediately default to

01:35:55.880 the bear being way bigger and stronger than a man so we should be way more afraid of it right

01:35:59.700 absolutely but i'm just saying if you're talking about logical and why women are afraid of men well

01:36:04.720 it's because you guys are bigger it's because you guys are faster if some might even say that you guys

01:36:09.520 are smarter because we act on emotions more so of course we're going to be okay a little afraid

01:36:14.960 so like let's just grant let's just grant that fine a bunch of women you're scared of men men are

01:36:22.120 scary let's grant it even if that were the case i it's still the sub optimal choice just logically

01:36:29.200 that it would be a bear to pick a bear it's still absolutely i agree okay i don't even know what

01:36:34.600 you're arguing about then no but you guys were saying let me let me bring it back to this i was

01:36:38.380 asking would you rather be in a room with a man or a bear and i was waiting for your answer you

01:36:42.660 didn't really give one um like for argument's sake a man um i'll stick with my bear from the

01:36:55.080 beginning still would rather be in a room with with a bear okay it's equal chances man it's what

01:37:02.340 it's equal chance for what well to be attacked 50 50 they're gonna be they're crazy or they're

01:37:08.900 gonna be fine it's either gonna so wait 50 of men would attack you in that situation not 50 but like

01:37:14.860 this is a random stranger it's like stranger they're either gonna be let's say normal saying

01:37:20.100 and not attack me or they will so it's a coin toss yeah it comes to men when to the bear as well either

01:37:25.420 the bear will be fine and just like so in order for that to be true you have to say that 50 of men

01:37:30.720 would attack you well you never know it's a coin toss every time no but it's a stranger stranger

01:37:36.700 danger like that could be any person that's how i percent of men would not i mean maybe that's

01:37:42.440 your position yeah 50 of men would not like attack you a stranger even if it's like the whole male

01:37:48.600 population i don't know the whole male population 50 50 i don't know what's gonna happen but are you

01:37:54.560 more likely to be assaulted by a stranger or by a member of your family statistically or by somebody

01:38:00.900 you know somebody you know somebody i don't know this that's a six to be honest somebody it's not

01:38:06.640 not only by somebody you know it's overwhelmingly um somebody you know it's almost every case is

01:38:13.240 somebody you know it's very rare for strangers to actually assault people that they don't know

01:38:17.720 it's actually very rare i'm just letting you know that so that you know uh room man or bear man

01:38:23.680 man man man man still bear just because okay just because i don't like people

01:38:34.180 if i'm gonna get killed by the bear that's okay versus surviving with a man yeah you'd rather be

01:38:44.120 killed by a bear than survive live with like no you're not stuck in the room let's say you're in

01:38:51.260 the room for 30 minutes an hour with no that's not i just don't like it could be it could be a woman

01:38:57.600 it could be a woman in the what you'd rather you'd rather be in a room with a bear than a woman for 30

01:39:06.240 minutes yeah are you trolling no there's no way this is do you have a death wish no what well clearly

01:39:15.740 you do if you'd rather if you would if you were actually let's assume this was this was a situation

01:39:20.800 you were actually faced with say it was a i don't know fucking tv show or some shit man or bear

01:39:27.660 okay you have two two doors one leads you to a room with the bear one leads you to a room with a

01:39:33.280 woman you're picking the bear yeah are you like thinking of harming like self-harming no not at all

01:39:41.560 not at all do you just do you have thoughts of like no i mean i work with large animals so it's

01:39:48.360 not like different okay i'm around them all the time would you rather be in a room with a woman who

01:39:54.920 you know for like fact is like a total pacifist or like a bear who you know is going to kill you which

01:40:00.420 room do you pick well obviously if i know it's gonna kill me i'd pick the woman but it's not

01:40:09.680 guaranteed that the bear is gonna let's say it's a 50 chance that the bear attacks you

01:40:15.880 i can't believe what i'm fucking hearing i'm sorry this is like

01:40:21.700 actually okay i shouldn't just let you answer but which one do you pick

01:40:27.420 bear

01:40:29.920 even a woman she i mean i can't believe my ears

01:40:36.640 i just

01:40:39.480 okay grizzly bears

01:40:43.400 grid one motorsports donated 200 it is rare to see so much group copian i'm gonna read the

01:40:50.500 derangement required to think random men want to hurt you is delusional and literally stupid

01:40:55.540 please frank castle the entire panel and start over uh thank you you know what else is deranged

01:41:01.500 though and what takes a lot of derangement to spend 200 just to say that i don't think you want

01:41:08.380 invoke his wrath i do i really do is it the same person okay we have a chat here from soul fist

01:41:15.160 uh can we have you read this one oh god where is it go ahead there it is so sad to see these women

01:41:23.060 think that a man's first instinct would be to attack them if a man is trapped in the woods then

01:41:28.920 he's trying to survive just like you he's not worried about hurting you all right thank you soul

01:41:34.000 fist appreciate the uh message and the patronage man and we have another one that's going to

01:41:38.360 pop up here in just a moment from blake 1991 thank you blake go ahead hey all andrews um but

01:41:46.380 andrew is a legend brian is great maddie is gorgeous and i want what does that say gustavo

01:41:53.320 gustavo gustavo's job first time doting donating and love the yo blake thank you man appreciate your

01:42:00.880 first time message thank you for the patronage and uh we are looking for some more background

01:42:06.220 characters so uh you never know if you're in santa barbara we need someone local uh so okay

01:42:11.500 i don't know look the whole thing the whole bear first man thing i just think it's like

01:42:15.480 it's basically just like anti-male fear-mongering um but uh okay one other just a few other can i say

01:42:23.420 something really quick sure go ahead like you know what makes it so much like funnier though it's the

01:42:27.680 fact that like at first women were just like oh i picked the bear but then it was like the men that

01:42:32.920 were like oh she picked the bear over me she picked the she rather me no and like then they

01:42:38.280 certainly talk about how they want to get like really violent with these women who are picking

01:42:42.040 the bear and it's like it's like proving the point like that's why she didn't want to pick the bear

01:42:48.020 like so this is um this is one of the worst coping straw men i've ever heard what men are out there

01:42:54.800 saying how much they want to be violent with women who pick the bear it's all over twitter all over

01:43:00.360 twitter it's not all can you show me a single tweet of men being threatening towards women

01:43:04.560 because they would pick the bear a single one how are you going to ask me to show you something

01:43:07.980 when you guys took my phone yeah okay what's your i can go to your twitter what is your twitter handle

01:43:14.140 i'll take a look right now there's actually men there who are saying that they're going to be

01:43:17.740 violent with you i didn't retweet this but you can go on my twitter if you'd like whichever way but

01:43:22.260 it's all over my timeline yeah and men are saying on your timeline that they want to hurt you

01:43:27.500 because you picked the bear not me like they're responding to a woman online who are saying they

01:43:32.140 picked the bear saying like oh my god like see this is why we fucking hate you like that's not

01:43:38.480 saying that they're going that they want to hurt them no they are because that's not saying that

01:43:43.100 they want to hurt them because they picked the bear fact check me fact check me do you think it's

01:43:47.460 wrong for men to be upset by women's answers that they'd rather be in the woods with a bear than with

01:43:54.800 a man wrong to be upset but like if you're gonna get upset and then why why do you think men are

01:43:58.960 upset by it why do you think i feel like the men that are upset are the ones that like place themselves

01:44:04.920 in that show of like i wouldn't do that but i feel like the man who knows that he wouldn't do that

01:44:09.720 wouldn't even get upset like they wouldn't care about this whole issue like you don't see a high

01:44:14.380 value man talking about this discourse really okay let me ask you a question so if a woman you know

01:44:22.060 you say you don't see millionaires talking about this discourse you don't see men who are high

01:44:27.980 level elite athletes who talk about this you don't see for instance bodybuilders who have sent out

01:44:32.820 tweets about this because that's all over twitter would you like me to give you some examples of men

01:44:36.680 entertaining this whole discourse with more than a laugh yeah i love it yeah yeah with more than a

01:44:42.540 laugh where they say hey this is uh this seems like it's mass delusion what do they say so that's

01:44:46.980 what absurd that's what they're that's hang on i'm trying to answer your question calm down what

01:44:51.740 they're trying to point to is that there's a mass delusion which is going on in that women have

01:44:56.800 become so far removed from nature the natural order of things that uh they believe that due to the

01:45:04.480 pampering that they have in modernity um that they would actually make this choice but when presented

01:45:09.880 with that actual choice we don't actually believe that they would we think that they're basically full

01:45:14.740 of shit that's what basically what the argument's really about is whether or not women in modernity

01:45:20.120 are being delusional or not so wouldn't you as a man like question what causes that instead of getting

01:45:26.880 mad at the woman no please speak into the mic wouldn't you question that yeah that's what i've been

01:45:33.600 doing yeah questioning that so where did that lead you to it were you not even well what it led me to

01:45:39.380 is that uh the answers that i get are completely irrational so i would have to assume that this

01:45:46.080 do you need help because i can help you with some statistics hang on i'm trying to answer your

01:45:49.520 question i just i just let you speak i don't i don't know why you won't return the favor but

01:45:53.140 uh anyway the when you asked me the question of what did i find out well i'm diving into it with you

01:45:59.600 right now and the answers have been totally irrational so i have to assume that you're living

01:46:03.780 under some kind of delusion here okay um do you want me to help you out with some simple math

01:46:09.480 and you can fact check me again like i said okay so if you search up the amount of bear attacks

01:46:16.240 and we're going to talk just about the u.s right now if you search up the amount of bear attacks in

01:46:20.240 the u.s it's not that many you search up the amount of sa attacks wow and again it's you're going

01:46:28.840 to say oh my god it's because there's so many more men than bears just do the simple conversion

01:46:32.520 i don't have to i haven't but actually i did just so you know so let me let me give you some

01:46:37.000 some counter facts okay do you do you know what per capita means yeah i do okay so do you think that

01:46:44.080 people who uh are around bears for they frequently are around bears for long periods of time whether

01:46:50.340 they train them work with them they're in circuses with them do you think that their attacks by bears

01:46:57.200 are less than that of women who perhaps are around men all the time in the workplace

01:47:02.280 and things like this well you're working with a bear at a circus yeah i would think there's a high

01:47:08.740 chance of you getting attacked so then what we have discovered by your logic now and by kind of

01:47:15.360 diving into this a little bit more is that the reason that there's such an infrequency of bear

01:47:20.160 attacks on people is because people aren't usually around bears but the people who are around bears

01:47:25.160 tend to get attacked by bears a lot more than women who are around men tend to get attacked by men

01:47:30.560 so what you're saying here actually makes no sense either does it yeah but again in this situation are

01:47:36.560 we in a circus with a bear or are we in the woods with a bear you're not in the woods with a bear so

01:47:42.300 then if it that's even better in the woods yeah yeah so that's even better so if you're in the

01:47:47.560 woods with a bear and you know that per capita if you're around a bear you're far more likely to

01:47:53.160 get attacked by the bear than if you're around a man then wouldn't it be rational to choose the man

01:47:57.780 no but that's where you're wrong that's where you're way more likely to be attacked by the man

01:48:02.320 you're not way more likely to be attacked by the man if you break it down per capita those who spend

01:48:06.780 time with bears get attacked by bears a lot more than those who spend time around men no we're talking

01:48:12.320 about the hike again remember so where's the stats for no it's not a hike the conditions are you're

01:48:16.840 trapped in the woods with a bear so you're around the bear you're in the bear's territory you're around

01:48:23.120 it you will cross that you're in a circus just like you would be in these situations that's you

01:48:28.500 still choose the bear that seems highly irrational training a bear at a circus you cannot compare

01:48:33.580 those two stats those are you can't compare stats like that i can't i listen here's the comparison

01:48:40.760 the comparison is to say that there's lots and lots and lots of women who are around lots and

01:48:46.500 lots and lots of men you agree that that's true right yes because of those conditions because

01:48:51.340 they're around them so much the chances become significantly increased that there could be an

01:48:56.160 attack on a woman by a man however the infrequency of the amount of times that people engage with bears

01:49:02.780 very low so of course bears and their attacks are going to be far lower than that of men on women

01:49:08.720 however if you take it per capita and you look at how many people are around bears in some type of

01:49:15.840 capacity you find out oops you are very likely to get attacked by a bear in some significant way

01:49:22.940 if you're around them just like if you're around men that's why that exists that way yeah but your

01:49:28.560 point is so irrelevant when you're considering the fact that your your examples are you being in an

01:49:34.820 unnatural situation with a bear you at a circus training a bear having a bear as a pet whatever it

01:49:40.820 is that your example is is not the same thing it doesn't hold on it doesn't even have to be

01:49:44.720 it doesn't even have to be this circus scenario when he's saying per capita it can also be viewed

01:49:50.400 as per encounter so if you actually make a comparison of human encounters with bears and

01:49:58.200 you make a comparison to uh women who are uh assaulted right so the amount of times that human

01:50:04.680 beings would be assaulted by these strange animals they come in contact with which they rarely come in

01:50:10.760 contact with would be far higher than the amount of men that they come in contact with which is daily

01:50:15.540 a daily occurrence all the time non-stop that is very false because again who reports seeing a bear

01:50:21.560 if they don't get attacked by the bear so who's to say what the he's saying the stats of just

01:50:26.640 encountering a bear you get attacked right who's gonna i'm sorry when you're talking about essay

01:50:30.560 statistics don't most essays go unreported yeah so the essay statistics okay well then how do you know

01:50:35.840 by that logic that they've actually been essayed okay but no you're actually helping my point because

01:50:40.300 in that case the essay statistics is even higher than we know so thank you for that yeah i know but

01:50:44.580 but if it is higher than we even know and you're saying that most of them go unreported then how can

01:50:49.240 we actually know that they were ever essayed by the same logic of bear attacks by how many people

01:50:53.320 see bears but it goes unreported it's the same logic you believe the one stat but won't believe the

01:50:58.160 other because of the i'm saying when people see a bear and they aren't attacked they're not

01:51:03.660 going to report that that's my case yeah but i'm saying that women who have not been that would

01:51:09.560 be the same logic in reverse though and you believe it right but then you're telling me that there's a

01:51:14.060 stat of when people encountered the bear versus when they got attacked and i'm saying that doesn't

01:51:18.840 really count because of the fact that they're not reporting all the like the encounters of bears when

01:51:24.240 they're not attacked you get my point let us well i don't but let us just grant it for a second just

01:51:28.960 for the sake of argument it still wouldn't matter if you if you're around men all the time and i

01:51:34.220 assume you are in some capacity right you're around men all the time in some capacity is that is that

01:51:41.760 true or false yeah it's true okay and most of those men almost none of those men try to assault you

01:51:49.620 right maybe some do but most the overwhelming majority probably do not right yeah so if that's the case

01:51:56.960 then we can apply this to the more time that you spend with random men the more likely it is that

01:52:03.220 you're going to get assaulted we would have to do the same thing with bears the more time you spend

01:52:07.100 around random bears the more chance you get assaulted which one do you think will assault you quicker

01:52:12.000 the random bears you spend more time with or the men that's the question the bear the bear exactly so

01:52:19.600 it's actually irrational for you to say that you would rather be stuck in a forest with a bear

01:52:24.080 again it's so irrational the fact that there's been how many women who have gone and gave you

01:52:30.580 how much time explaining all this and you still didn't get the point what what's the point i'm not

01:52:36.960 gonna go ahead and like spend all this time well i just want to let you know he tried to move it on

01:52:42.360 but you brought it back to this that's why we're in this engagement again you actually said can i speak

01:52:47.300 to this again and that's why we're back to it again that's true we were still on the bear i just

01:52:51.980 went back to my point we'd never left the bear right and then i responded to your point but you

01:52:57.120 brought the conversation back not me so i just continued but he's responding to you yeah and was

01:53:03.540 i supposed to stop responding and just sit back well no no he said i would like to move the conversation

01:53:09.020 on and you were like but wait can i just make one more point which is fine but then if you if you

01:53:14.240 bring it back to this of course we're going to argue about it again yeah valid right what was

01:53:21.040 that i was just gonna say i think the topic has been discussed agnosium and it's yeah it's over it's

01:53:27.520 been over so yeah next topic well hold on hold on i'm the host if i want to talk about this all

01:53:34.200 fucking night i will uh but two two last quick questions on this and we will move on i do find

01:53:41.320 it interesting that a lot of women pick the bear but i mean how many of these same women who pick

01:53:46.960 the bear will gladly like go over to a strange man's house who she matched with on tinder go back

01:53:53.260 to his house after drinking and partying you guys probably all know girls that meet a guy at some

01:53:59.400 fucking frat party fuck him that night all alone absolutely no issues there so it's interesting

01:54:05.760 though when we put you in this venue that's a bit you know in the woods versus some dingy frat house

01:54:12.080 things like change up real quick so no i would i would say that's concerning either way sure so i

01:54:19.960 don't sure uh i mean i would argue probably like let's be honest most i don't want to put words in

01:54:25.620 your mouth but probably you guys have at least had one maybe casual sexual encounter i think the main

01:54:32.200 which i think is like the sad point of this whole like debate is how like there is like

01:54:38.580 this like social fear that's i feel like you know how do i say like the words in like english like

01:54:45.840 like growing up as a girl like we hear that a lot like be aware you've been programmed stuff yeah

01:54:52.820 you've been so i think that is i think the biggest part of this debate how it's like that sad thing how

01:54:58.260 like we have been programmed this way by so many scenarios and just things and hearsay and this

01:55:05.080 and that or like you know a bunch of things and at the end of the day there is just like just fear

01:55:12.140 irrational or not because we've been in scenarios that may be similar but sure it's just like a sad

01:55:17.060 thing and and i mean to address your thing about like why are all these men so kind of upset about

01:55:23.660 this uh isn't it the case that women frequently get upset about sexist statements towards women yes

01:55:33.600 would it do you would you at least agree that saying that you would rather be alone with

01:55:42.180 a bear as compared to a man is a sexist statement

01:55:48.000 yeah um no because it's more of just so it's more just so saying who wants to be with what like

01:55:56.980 i'm saying i personally would rather choose the bear i'm not saying that every woman should choose

01:56:00.940 the bear so it's not a sexist statement saying i would choose the bear it well even on the individual

01:56:06.420 even on the micro level you saying you would rather be with a animal who does have tendencies to

01:56:15.560 be violent this isn't like a uh a totally benign animal bears are larger than men they're uh they

01:56:23.540 can be very violent it's not a benign animal so you don't think it's sexist to say that

01:56:32.620 i stand by myself so would it you don't think it would be sexist for me to say i'd rather be with a

01:56:38.720 bear than with a woman if you have your reasons for that i wouldn't take offense either way but would

01:56:43.960 it be sexist for me to say for example let's say this is a woman who she's a gold digger it's not a

01:56:49.920 perfect one-to-one comparison but i'm making a almost pre presuppositional judgment about her oh

01:56:57.300 she's a gold digger you're asking this is a totally not even yeah no it's it's not sexist to presuppose

01:57:03.800 women are gold diggers oh you're saying if you say every woman's a gold digger isn't that what you're

01:57:08.320 saying about men no i didn't say every man would attack me i was just it seems like you say the

01:57:12.860 majority of men would no i never said that i didn't say like 50 or something no i didn't what

01:57:17.380 was your percentage my percentage was actually seven so was it yes i recall it was it was five

01:57:23.400 to seven you can fact okay at one point you said a lot yeah it was 30 that was questionable that i

01:57:30.120 said that would make me uncomfortable well i'm gonna ask you guys going around the table i mean

01:57:34.760 you guys think it's sexist ginger donated two hundred dollars yes there's a point about the

01:57:42.540 man versus bear situation i'm one of those women that is a part of the statistic that's trying to

01:57:48.740 be made but at the end of the day i'm choosing man i would rather survive which is totally rational

01:57:56.460 by the way thank you ginger i mean i think the other component of this is if you pick a man the outcome

01:58:03.140 can be it can be good in other words he could help you in some way it could be neutral he goes along

01:58:09.440 his way doesn't want to help you in the woods or whatever or it could be a negative experience

01:58:13.700 whereas with the bear it's going to be a neutral experience they just leave you alone or it's going

01:58:18.760 to be a negative experience attacks you harms you kills you so that's another angle to look at this

01:58:24.340 from um final question no no there's the other one too you forgot it's possible that you land out

01:58:30.500 there and you're pregnant you have the child and the bear raises your child that could happen

01:58:35.280 technically right okay you could be some disney shit going down that's mostly right there could

01:58:41.520 could some winnie the pooh shit um last thing if you could given that i guess bears are not as

01:58:51.140 dangerous as men do you think you would be more safe or less safe if you just replaced all men with

01:58:56.740 bears starting with you go ahead less safe i guess i don't know i feel like that's like

01:59:04.500 like snap your finger you all the men just transform into bears and it's a random it's a the proportional

01:59:12.400 distribution so there's some black bears some grizzlies other types of i don't know polar bears

01:59:18.380 polar polar bears those are bad oh yeah so you could be up in the club dancing and shit boom all bears

01:59:25.300 i would be terrified at trader joe's getting some fucking um i would say wait sorry i totally forgot

01:59:36.360 the question say that again would you be i'm sorry would you be more safe or less safe if if the

01:59:42.600 scenario was you replace you just instantly replace all men with bears i would feel less safe

01:59:48.640 like it's like all men are gone and it's literally just wild bears yeah so a bear just takes all men's

01:59:58.180 place so wherever the men are so that you could be driving it's like you're a bear right now i'm a bear

02:00:03.380 i'm a bear oh my god nick's a bear

02:00:06.600 like and you're asking me would the world be less safe would i suppose would you would i be

02:00:17.340 would you be more safe or less safe if all men just instantly transformed into a in a in a primitive

02:00:23.200 sense we would be less safe okay just gerald donated two hundred dollars of all the bear

02:00:31.980 ciphered within 20 feet of me alone what's up dame in the back country of alaska i wish they had

02:00:37.560 all been men yeah i've never encountered a bear but i'd probably prefer them to be men um thank you

02:00:45.440 it's not uh it's not usually a fun experience uh so wait you're saying can you just restate your

02:00:51.460 answer really quick on the i said in a primitive sense we would be less safe

02:00:56.060 okay grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars men are defenders of women it is sad you

02:01:04.420 lot have had never met one feminism has failed you the patriarchy values and protects women

02:01:10.680 and stands ready to help you return to sanity okay be better all right thank you grid one for that

02:01:16.960 appreciate it uh okay so you said uh you would be less safe if it was all bears yes

02:01:25.680 but you seem a little like there's another side of the answer to this i just think it's like

02:01:30.940 like i'm not gonna get into it like like yes logically we would be less safe okay i'll just say

02:01:39.900 i'll go with the men instead of bear everywhere i feel like yeah yeah yeah what i would pick the man

02:01:48.920 over the bear every time okay we'd be less safe if it was all bears yeah okay

02:01:54.760 i mean a stupid question but yeah we'd all be in danger

02:01:58.560 less safe yeah less safe oh what surprising from you you wanted to be in a room alone with a bear

02:02:08.140 okay all right all right so okay moving on to a different topic kind of can i ask uh just a very

02:02:14.400 quick follow-up if you don't mind go ahead i was just wondering on this um how many of you here just

02:02:19.660 by a quick raise of hands have have seen the movie bambi bambi yeah the deer yeah how many people

02:02:28.580 on the panel have seen the movie bambi or any disney movie where animals are are represented as

02:02:35.240 talking and you know they chat with people like most yeah would it be most of you um there's

02:02:45.240 something called anthropomorphizing um or anthropomorphizing animals where basically you give

02:02:52.600 them human-like traits and uh what happened there was this interesting phenomenon which happened back

02:02:59.480 when bambi came out tons and tons of uh feminists came out against deer hunting they went crazy about

02:03:05.100 it because you know there's a scene where the mom gets shot and bambi's crying and you know blah blah

02:03:10.560 blah blah blah blah blah uh do you think that there might be some of that going on here that maybe you

02:03:15.900 humanize these wild insane animals a little bit and that maybe media has added to that i'm just i'm just

02:03:23.280 curious yeah definitely um most likely i think like i don't know personally i know i will try to

02:03:35.160 attribute the best qualities and like animals like it's you think you humanize them a little bit

02:03:40.620 oh definitely but in this if you've got a dog do you treat your dog like a human are you like

02:03:46.320 yeah oh yeah i mean yeah i talk to my cat like that as a baby like a human like i don't know it's

02:03:55.120 also i think just like of course they will might attack you they might be feral there might be this

02:04:00.560 that might be that but at the end of the day like it's an animal and they don't like like i don't know

02:04:05.660 we evolved differently so we have different like standards for our species okay gotcha i well i mean

02:04:12.900 the reason i'm curious about this is a real phenomenon and it seems to affect females more

02:04:17.940 than it does men and i think the reason for that is probably a lot more men go out and deal with wild

02:04:23.920 animals than women generally right i'm not saying always but generally they do um do you think maybe

02:04:29.740 you're humanizing the bear a bit you said definitely anybody else there think maybe you're humanizing the

02:04:36.040 bear just a bit i i totally see your point and i i think it's totally valid because

02:04:42.760 people tend to anthropomorphize things that they like and tend to dehumanize things that they would

02:04:49.820 be afraid of and in this sense not that it's logical for women to be afraid of men or for women to be

02:04:55.940 afraid of all men but if that's the knee-jerk instinct in this sense that it would it would make sense that

02:05:02.700 maybe there would there's a tendency to humanize animals and dehumanize men i'm not saying that's

02:05:10.260 a good thing and i'm sure as a man you personally do you have a dog do you humanize the dog yeah

02:05:19.820 yeah yeah do you think do you think maybe uh most women humanize a dog like if if if one of you if

02:05:27.620 you're married and you know you couldn't afford to take the dog to a vet to have it put down because

02:05:32.000 it was super sick is the husband getting that job or are you doing that job

02:05:35.840 i don't want to think about that i yeah i mean honestly who's doing who's doing who's going to

02:05:44.880 do that job in that situation is it going to be you or is it going to be the hubby

02:05:48.120 who's putting who's putting down fido

02:05:50.440 anyways do you have anything else andrew andrew do you have anything else yeah but i mean i think

02:05:58.860 this is an important pertinent point to this just kind of wrap it up uh who who's doing it

02:06:04.580 are you gonna put down fido or is just so we can personally i probably would just because i'm more

02:06:11.020 involved with animals yeah you would right but i wonder if she would would you would you do it or

02:06:16.220 would you have would you have the hubby do it or the significant other who are you talking to you

02:06:22.300 oh oh like if i would have to like put down my own dog versus like my husband or my dad or

02:06:28.840 something like that yeah would you prefer that they put it down yeah because i because i wouldn't

02:06:32.700 want to kill my dog because i humanized my dog and i also wouldn't want to kill a living being i

02:06:36.740 don't even know if it really is that aspect i think it would just kind of suck okay the bad news

02:06:41.280 bears donated two hundred dollars national park statistics places homicides in the wilderness

02:06:47.560 since 2007 to 2023 at 38 wildlife incidents as a cause of death is nine so perhaps the ladies are

02:06:57.340 onto something no they're still not on to anything because how many people go out to the wilderness

02:07:04.480 for instance and have these encounters over and over and over again with these wild animals

02:07:09.060 and the ones that do are going to be the ones more prone to attack just like the ladies here

02:07:13.580 all of them are much more prone to be in contact with men over and over and over and over again that's

02:07:19.080 why their chances being attacked by men go up significantly however if they were around bears

02:07:24.360 all day their chance of being attacked by bears probably be a lot higher than by strange men that's

02:07:29.740 the point more bears you're around the more wild stranger bears that you're around the more likely

02:07:37.340 you're going to get attacked by one the more wild strange men that you're around more likely to be

02:07:41.380 attacked by one the question is which one's more likely to attack you the more you're around it it's

02:07:44.820 going to be wild bears also people like we already established that you know your risk of violent

02:07:52.000 attack assault homicide it's more likely to be from somebody who you know so a couple could go camping

02:07:58.520 in the woods and they would count it in this statistic i don't think this homicide thing is factoring in

02:08:03.660 do you know the person do you not know the person this number could be even lower if it's uh from a

02:08:09.280 total stranger and even if it's total stranger versus uh encounters with wild animals uh i would still

02:08:17.420 say that this is but this is so simple like you guys all of you guys can conduct a very simple

02:08:22.700 experiment you ready walk over to random men you don't know reach over and pat them on the head

02:08:28.580 and walk away and see what happens do the same thing with wild bears walk over pat them on the

02:08:35.040 head and walk away and see what happens which one do you think is going to be far more likely now you

02:08:39.600 might be able to pat a couple of wild bears on the head and walk away you might be able to do that but i

02:08:44.080 can guarantee you that a lot more of those bears are going to attack you than men are it's very simple

02:08:48.200 it's true this is not complex in any way final thing on the bear thing then we will move it on

02:08:54.760 i've got a couple other fun scenarios here so does it change anything for example uh if it's

02:09:01.480 a gay man or bear yes yes so you pick the man i'd pick the gay man as not even just because he'd help

02:09:12.520 me but because it's like we're in it together like we're getting out of the situation not even

02:09:17.400 that but just i feel like the hike would be a lot funner like we're chit-chatting getting through the

02:09:21.400 woods finding our way back it's a little adventure okay all right um interesting uh anybody else

02:09:30.360 do you guys change if it's gay man does that change your change anything for those of you who said

02:09:37.160 bear does it change speak now forever hold your peace you said bear bear bear i think you said man

02:09:45.200 originally bear someone i don't know okay what about what if it's a uh giant lesbian woman who's a

02:09:54.400 professional mma fighter does that whoa change anything versus bear i'll take her you'll you'll take

02:10:02.040 the giant like i'll go with her i'll like i'll go with her how about uh so what about a uh a gay

02:10:08.120 man who is a bear or a bear do you know that category of gay man like so there's there's like bears

02:10:14.360 oh yes like they're kind of like a bit like hairy guys basically oh oh like he like he's like a he's

02:10:21.000 a big guy okay yeah oh no like a big bigger guy it's like a big strong big uh brawny tend to be hairy

02:10:30.360 beard bearded game chunkier guy yeah it's you know how there's like twinks it's like a category

02:10:38.520 of gay man okay so there's a wikipedia article on this anyways anything does that change it i'd love

02:10:46.040 to get lost in the woods okay there uh what about what about a woman who you know is a serial killer

02:10:51.880 oh versus a random man like so the random man yeah random man or woman who's a serial killer

02:10:59.880 she's like a proven serial killer like obviously i'm not gonna yeah yeah

02:11:04.040 what about a gay serial killer i i think on the note of gay i would rather be in the woods with a

02:11:11.360 gay man because gay men are perceived as less aggressive and they can't say me but i mean

02:11:17.480 i like like not that they physically can't the point is that like i would i'm pretty sure they

02:11:22.680 can they could pretty sure i don't think they would be as motivated to whatever like in my

02:11:29.160 opinion i stereotype gay men as less aggressive than straight men but that's what about like

02:11:33.640 survival instincts would you rather be with the gay man than a straight man do you think he would

02:11:38.600 be like in the world more like like statistically he could easily be insane you know like so i don't

02:11:45.640 know but here let me let me ask you this this is kind of this is like a dumb logic right but i'm

02:11:51.480 just curious right for me this is dumb logic but i've just i just want to know wouldn't it also

02:11:57.000 count against you because if you're saying a gay man has no sexual interest in you then all he has

02:12:02.120 to do is run faster than you and leave you for the bear right he doesn't really value you for anything

02:12:07.880 and wouldn't the straight man value you like he's like i can't let this bear

02:12:12.120 it's not about sexual interest wait the the so the the straight man would like sacrifice his life

02:12:17.640 like do this heroic thing oh oh maybe so if you pick the gay man he's like i'm out of here

02:12:24.520 he doesn't have to run fast he just has to run faster than you right he wouldn't give you any

02:12:29.160 this and so he doesn't he doesn't value you like the straight man would right by your logic so

02:12:34.840 so like i mean wouldn't that actually kind of be the bad choice like maybe like i i don't know i'm not

02:12:40.360 thinking about it it depends on on if it was like in the matter of him protecting me because

02:12:47.320 like sure there's a stereotype that straight men would be stronger than a gay man and i'd be like

02:12:54.120 sure maybe you're gonna protect me i don't think it's about the sexual interest yeah like i don't

02:12:58.280 want to make it sound like i'm thinking of it differently as a value structure right so the

02:13:02.760 perceived threat that you would have from a straight man is that the straight man is going to have some

02:13:06.440 kind of sexual interest in you and the homosexual man is not going to because he's a he's a homosexual

02:13:12.680 man right that's why he's a safer bet that's why you were saying he's safer because he doesn't have

02:13:17.400 any kind of like sexual interest towards you essentially that and that i like perceive them

02:13:23.960 as less aggressive right because they don't have the basis of their sexuality i uh i don't know i

02:13:29.800 actually haven't thought about it that deeply yeah but probably probably it's because of that that

02:13:34.040 particular interest why you would see them as being less threatening but if that's true then

02:13:38.440 wouldn't that actually mean that they valued you less i guess i guess i'm just wondering you know

02:13:43.160 what i mean like as a sexual oh shit they value you less then they can make you bear food so that

02:13:47.560 they can get the hell out of there you know yeah if he was an asshole he could yeah anyways um

02:13:52.920 okay just a couple few more things here then i'll move it on so since we were bringing up the

02:13:57.720 comparison of gay man versus lesbian woman i did actually want to point out the statistics when it

02:14:02.440 came to domestic violence uh so actually what you find interesting is that in lesbian couples

02:14:09.880 if we're comparing lesbian to uh what is it lesbian to gay men to heterose or excuse me lesbians

02:14:16.680 to heterosexuals to gay men uh the incidence rates of domestic violence are the highest

02:14:22.360 among lesbian couples and then you have heterosexual couples and then it's actually lowest interestingly

02:14:28.440 enough between gay men so it's interesting when you put two men in a relationship you would think

02:14:35.000 well oh the dv rates would be high but actually when you put two women in a relationship that's when

02:14:41.400 you see the highest incidence rate of domestic violence and then between that you have heterosexual

02:14:46.680 relationships and then the lowest rate of dv is in gay uh two men relationships where did you get

02:14:54.280 those stats i've never heard you can trust you can look it up on wikipedia it's been well these are

02:14:58.360 from the fbi statistics actually you could find them direct from the fbi they um they source all of

02:15:04.040 these there's actually in-depth uh studies which go into it even beyond the fbi statistics but

02:15:10.440 definitely the highest rates of uh domestics as brian's pointing out are conducted by um same-sex

02:15:18.120 female couples for sure that's not i mean many times higher in fact interestingly enough

02:15:25.000 yeah um and then i'm trying to think what the oh does it change anything if the bear is misogynistic

02:15:33.000 if the bear's a misogynist the bear can think like a human

02:15:37.320 yeah if the bear's of it like a woman hating misogynist

02:15:39.960 okay it's a joke one uh and then i think the last one uh does it change

02:15:50.120 if you're menstruating because can't bears like detect smell oh like they would like

02:15:56.200 smell the blood and then be like oh yeah i'm gonna be more likely to attack you

02:16:00.200 they're not carnivores though bears bears yeah i thought they were omnivores yeah they are they're

02:16:06.040 omnivores they eat plenty yeah well isn't there something especially fish they really like fish

02:16:10.840 and they like um i mean but they'll eat carrion they'll eat dead animals they basically eat whatever

02:16:15.960 they can get their hands on but isn't there something where like if a woman's menstruating it's

02:16:20.440 could potentially be more dangerous for her to be in the vicinity like it's a potentiality with all

02:16:26.520 wild sharks i've heard the links to that can't be ethically studied very well as you might

02:16:32.200 you know they can't be really be ethically studied very well you can't be like well

02:16:37.560 true yeah okay so you started last week we've got this wild bear like we we hope for the best right

02:16:42.760 there you go there you go um jump uh jumping off of grid one you didn't ask about the ovulation

02:16:49.800 though would it be different if you were ovulating what oh anyways sorry uh no she's saying it's just

02:16:59.960 like i don't know like not to the bear i don't think the bear could tell you're ovulating but

02:17:03.400 sometimes there's studies that show that men know when women are ovulating and women behave

02:17:07.000 differently around men when they're ovulating okay right that's the that's the key to the question

02:17:13.000 all right so uh actually this was related to one of grid one's chats uh and it's perhaps a bit of a

02:17:19.160 segue from the bear thing here just going around the table just so we get a good sense of this

02:17:22.920 do you consider yourself a feminist starting with you go ahead uh yeah yeah i oh my god yes yes

02:17:34.680 no yes she's gone anti-feminist anti-feminist i'm also anti-feminist anti-feminist

02:17:42.680 anti-feminist andrew what about you i'm a staunch patriarchist and against feminism in all of its

02:17:52.200 forms all right okay there you go there you go okay so you know what we'll come back to that

02:18:01.480 conversation later i do want to ask one or two dating related things here so i'm going to get into

02:18:07.000 my pre-show notes so uh sorry remind me how do you pronounce your name it's yeah yeah yeah yeah

02:18:13.640 l yeah yeah yes queen l imagine like an apostrophe like y-a-l yeah okay in your pre-show notes you said

02:18:23.240 that you're not into hookup culture yeah okay um have you ever like had a experience with it where you're

02:18:29.240 like i think that's how a lot of people they like get into a situationship or they encounter like a

02:18:34.200 fuck boy so they delved a little bit into the hookup culture but they're like this is

02:18:38.680 fucked up i don't like it so was that your experience no i just never never wanted to yeah

02:18:44.360 i i feel like it doesn't seem to be beneficial and you said that participating in hookup culture

02:18:49.960 is gross slash embarrassing to me to me both for women and men yeah uh does anybody here disagree with

02:18:59.640 that anybody here fine disagree with her saying that hookup culture i don't think you're wrong by

02:19:05.240 the way uh hookup culture is gross and embarrassing any takers on that any bites

02:19:15.320 going once going twice going three times okay kill of cereal said let me pull that back up

02:19:22.440 pick one so okay guy number one six one hundred makes 180k a year fit eight inch pp has negative

02:19:31.000 world outlook and bad attitude in general or five foot two 30k year chubby four inch pp but has a

02:19:37.240 positive outlook and oozes confidence and swagger and why so guy number one guy number two which do

02:19:42.920 you pick starting with you yikes neither that's you gotta pick one you gotta pick one you gotta pick one

02:19:48.360 one yeah yep i feel like

02:19:56.760 i feel like i couldn't that's you got you gotta pick one i know you gotta pick a woman you gotta pick

02:20:03.000 one be a woman i want that you'd go you'd go uh become a lesbian yeah okay so but you gotta pick one

02:20:10.280 no i'm kidding um one okay that's fine um i i want to ask the person that asked this question are you

02:20:21.240 the number two guy because it kind of sounds like for sure you're trying to get in this whole argument

02:20:26.200 of like personality and whatever versus looks um why would why would that entail that that would

02:20:32.520 describe him because he was curious about your outlook that sounds like you're projecting you're

02:20:36.360 right you're right maybe i'm projecting here let's just answer the question if we can like

02:20:40.440 not like number two i guess i don't know okay is this just like are we like just picking them for

02:20:45.240 like ever like i'm marrying this person yeah sure okay this is like for life guy i'll go with one

02:20:52.440 okay sure i'd pick number two all right what about you i'd pick one and like check the

02:20:58.200 fuck out of him all right so it was number one had a bigger pp more money and the number two had

02:21:06.520 a nice personality is that what it is essentially number one all right whichever one would want to

02:21:13.000 marry me let's say both of them want to marry you um probably the first so my children would be taller

02:21:19.480 and we'd be more secure financially okay what about you um probably number one it's really hard for me

02:21:25.880 to date people that are shorter than me okay all right thank you killa of cereal oh you know what

02:21:31.320 we'll do here we'll do a fun segment uh nick we'll do the bumble segment so what we're going to do

02:21:37.480 is we're going to pull up bumble you each get 20 swipes okay it's just a yes or no we just show you

02:21:44.280 the first picture um did we do age ranges nick or yeah you pre-have them why don't you read them out

02:21:50.840 then i'll just yeah so i can tell the okay so this is her yeah did i say right okay this is she's uh

02:22:06.280 oh put it uh big yeah uh so just uh yes or no sure oh that was it wait we're we just pass on everybody

02:22:17.880 just oh right but but your your answer is yeah don't don't worry about that no no

02:22:26.920 no i don't know which one it is no really oh that's scary

02:22:34.040 no what the what is that it looked like no no no no

02:22:45.960 no i like the dog but no no no these are all terrible pictures a little closer to the mic if

02:23:00.120 you can sorry no no no no all right there you go give her five more let's see no no

02:23:13.960 no no no no damn you're picky wait what about this guy no no no is it the gun

02:23:27.160 wait actually really quick hold on hold on okay so we'll do you next but you're very picky would you

02:23:32.200 date a guy with uh who legally owned a firearm sure um i don't i don't like the idea of it but like

02:23:43.160 maybe like would it be a deal breaker it's not a deal breaker no okay but you don't like i'm not

02:23:49.720 like a fan but you don't like the idea of him owning one not really okay what about you i'm with that i don't

02:23:56.840 like the idea of it but i don't like it depends on the situation but most likely not i feel like

02:24:01.800 it would be the guy it would be more of a deal breaker deal breaker then kind of like would be

02:24:05.880 a deal breaker okay what about you yeah i'd rather not unless i had to do with their job i'd rather

02:24:10.440 not okay i don't really care don't care um i would say he would have to have a firearm to date okay so i

02:24:19.400 would date him you would date him i'm just curious really quick those of you said no really quick just

02:24:24.280 why would you feel scared or you're or do you are you also just you're just against gun ownership

02:24:30.440 in general did you say yes or i said sure sure okay um i think it's more that yeah it's more against

02:24:40.200 gun ownership okay what about you i'm just really scared of guns so i just don't like them um i'm

02:24:46.120 i live in la i just don't think that there's a i don't i think maybe in a different place a gun

02:24:51.000 might make more sense but isn't la like super dangerous yes yeah wouldn't that be an ideal

02:24:55.960 place to have uh own a gun no i don't think so okay even if it was would you object to like

02:25:02.920 let's say someone lived in like a really bad part of town i don't know what's a bad part of town in

02:25:06.760 la give me a couple places south central okay and what's the demographic there uh there's lots of

02:25:12.920 different times there's something like latinos and like it's there's lots of different times black and

02:25:17.560 okay would you like would you object to you know do you object to minority ownership of firearms no

02:25:25.000 because if we're talking about preference for dating sure okay i'm getting off track there and you

02:25:31.160 i said i didn't care or wait i was going around again on i don't think i think i was just asking just

02:25:36.040 who said no yeah yeah oh why oh no you said you said you didn't care um so question for you through

02:25:42.280 just really quick then we'll get to the back to the bumble thing um would how do i frame this

02:25:49.400 let's say you were dating a guy had kids married to a guy uh home invasion there's three men they're

02:25:57.160 breaking into the house would you prefer that your husband or you guys could collectively attempt to

02:26:03.080 defend the home in that scenario where there's three men trying to break into the house it's just you

02:26:07.720 your husband and your kids would you prefer that your husband attempt to uh dispatch the home

02:26:14.520 intruders with his fists or with a firearm starting with you with a gun that doesn't mean i want him to

02:26:21.960 own one though okay sure um well since there would be probably no guns in the house and i'd have to be

02:26:29.160 the first no but assume like he could own a gun in that scenario what would you prefer in that scenario

02:26:35.880 if a gun was available to him just don't i just i'm really terrified of those like that's just

02:26:41.400 like me personally like those terrify me it's like it's pointing at me someone i know holding it like

02:26:45.320 i i lose it i get really scared so you would rather be invaded and killed than have him use a gun

02:26:51.560 well we're gonna be invaded either way so at this point so you would rather he not protect himself and

02:26:56.040 you because you don't like guns sadly that would have happened because i don't like guns in

02:27:02.680 the scenario that would unfortunately happen so you would rather die than him use a gun and kill

02:27:07.400 than traitor is what you're saying sure can i ask why you don't like guns what the same reason that

02:27:13.240 she would stay in the forest with a bear and hide from a guy who is out in the wilderness who could

02:27:18.440 assist her with escaping from the bear because she has what's called an irrational fear interestingly

02:27:25.080 enough do you mind if i ask you just a quick question uh the washington examiner i caught an article

02:27:31.960 the other day they were of course using pew research for this um one of the things they

02:27:36.760 were talking about is why people are anti-immigrant and they said one of the reasons that they are

02:27:42.520 is because of ignorance it's because of ignorance of other cultures and things like this and the more

02:27:47.720 that they're exposed to immigrants the less they are adverse to immigrants because they're no longer

02:27:54.840 ignorant of these immigrants do you think that the same thing could be happening here with you and

02:27:59.240 firearms maybe i think personally i never like where i grew up like this was never a topic and like

02:28:09.480 i think it became a topic recently nationally in my country but um growing up like that was never a

02:28:15.320 thing like i'm just not used to that being even into the conversation like i would never think that

02:28:20.360 anybody i would meet would like own a gun you know okay well i mean but do do you believe that the

02:28:31.320 reason that people are xenophobic is because they have just haven't been exposed to enough immigrants

02:28:37.400 and that if they were exposed to more immigrants they would become less xenophobic as this data would elude

02:28:42.600 i don't know i think that's honestly for me that's like just a tough question um i don't know if it's

02:28:52.280 exposure i don't know if you necessarily like when you say exposure do you mean like meeting people or

02:28:57.480 do you mean just yeah meeting them engaging with them talking with them yeah um working with them

02:29:03.800 things like that right i think it's when you're like meeting a person you can see he's just like

02:29:08.840 another person um depending on you know like you're engaging with people from different cultural

02:29:14.200 backgrounds and anything and how many guns have you held in your hand me yeah oh none jesus no none

02:29:21.560 how many and how many times have you been around guns it's been a few i've met people that like

02:29:28.280 parents have owned them so like in the house it's been like oh like look that's like my dad's and i was

02:29:33.400 like like it's just like fear literally if we were to track the reasoning then that there would be

02:29:38.760 less xenophobia via exposure to more immigrants then would not this also track that perhaps you

02:29:44.840 would be less anti-gun with exposure to firearms i mean maybe i think like i could change that mindset

02:29:51.560 like at the moment though i am terrified like it could be the most irrational of my fears but it's

02:29:57.240 definitely like a fear and i know like and that you would never tolerate xenophobia as being a rational

02:30:02.840 fear if if you were to find out that there was data that says you would be less xenophobic if you

02:30:08.040 expose yourself to more immigrants wouldn't your advice to those people to be be to expose yourself

02:30:13.000 to more immigrants so you were less xenophobic not really i think you can research more on cultures

02:30:19.480 instead of just like being physically like um exposed and like in a one-to-one face-to-face kind of scene

02:30:27.640 so like learning um researching reading anything so you would tell people to read books about

02:30:36.040 immigrants i mean not just about immigrants but it's just people like yeah right migrate people

02:30:41.800 move all over that's how it happened yeah what the data suggested was that the more people are exposed

02:30:47.960 to immigrants the less xenophobic they were that's what the data said at least in this particular and

02:30:53.800 that that stands to reason from your world view right that that would be the case so wouldn't you

02:30:58.280 recommend that people expose themselves to other cultures to be less xenophobic wouldn't you wouldn't

02:31:03.400 you recommend that they do so if they were xenophobes yeah if that helps them not be like that i think that's

02:31:10.040 a great solution yeah so then my recommendation to you is to expose yourself to more firearms so that

02:31:15.400 you're not you don't have this uh kind of irrational fear right maybe one day your answer i forgot the question

02:31:23.800 uh i think it was oh in the scenario where there's three home intruders you got kids husband you're in

02:31:31.480 the home would you prefer uh that your you your husband try to dispatch the intruders just with

02:31:39.160 the self-defense of it i guess your hands or a firearm in that situation i mean in in my situation there

02:31:45.720 wouldn't be a firearm in the house so we would probably be hiding and running and praying let me

02:31:51.640 reframe the question which uh comparing a situation where you don't have a firearm versus you do have

02:31:58.440 a firearm which scenario would you be more likely and more able to uh defend survive oh yeah a firearm

02:32:08.440 would help you survive so you would would you if that's the case would you then prefer to be in that

02:32:13.800 scenario with a firearm if a firearm was available i mean i don't not necessarily not necessarily to be

02:32:24.200 honest okay so based on my world view not necessarily what's your world world view on this i mean i

02:32:31.160 i i believe in life after death and i believe in like i don't think that huh i mean truly like i do so

02:32:42.840 but i mean that's fine that you believe in life after death but i assume you don't want to just

02:32:49.160 expire today no i don't but i also i wouldn't like recommend my husband to go shooting down the intruder

02:32:59.640 i wouldn't i i would i would be hiding in the bathroom and praying with him and my kids praying

02:33:05.400 yeah i would do you think i mean andrew might be more apt to that's my world view that's my world

02:33:12.360 view but so you you would rather pray than have a firearm to dispatch the home intruders yeah so

02:33:20.120 you guys wouldn't so i mean i just wouldn't try any other way like even if like you knew we don't

02:33:24.280 have a firearm you would like you and your husband wouldn't go down there and try to fight them off

02:33:28.200 like with knives or something i mean it's a hypothetical situation so it's hard to know like with the

02:33:34.200 adrenaline and the spur of the moment what would happen but um that's that's what i would do i would

02:33:40.120 hide yeah i would hide would you um let me ask you this um do you you have a mom and a dad who are

02:33:49.480 are still together by chance no no okay um do you have any relationship with your dad at all yes okay

02:33:57.720 when you were a little girl and he was around in your life um i don't know if he is or not i didn't

02:34:03.320 mean to frame it that way but when you're a little girl you're staying with your dad if a home intruder

02:34:07.880 broke in would you have the expectation that he went and hid would i have the expectation that what

02:34:15.400 i missed the last yeah your father went and hid what that's would you expect that your father would

02:34:21.640 go and hide if somebody broke in where you were or would you expect him to protect you yeah i mean

02:34:27.960 that's a great question i think my dad probably would have hid with us yeah do you think that that's

02:34:35.560 good that he would hide or do you think that it would be better if he faced off with the intruder

02:34:40.440 who was breaking into your space i mean i'm not here to speak for other people i that's just what

02:34:47.640 yeah i know i know that's what i'm not asking you to i'm just asking you to speak for you

02:34:51.240 no no no hold on i mean are you just i i don't like when my world view i don't think that preserving

02:35:02.120 life at all stakes is always the best option wait so if given the option between

02:35:08.680 your life or the home intruders life you would prefer the home intruders i'm not gonna fight

02:35:15.240 somebody i'm not going to what about for your kids yeah you have children yeah well i'll i'll

02:35:21.160 i'll protect them and help them and you know whether that's running away or doing whatever we can but

02:35:27.320 that's but you wouldn't would you not be willing to kill another individual if it means saving the

02:35:32.840 life of your children i mean if someone put a gun in my hand sure yeah i would choose that but i think

02:35:39.960 that in this hypothetical situation i don't have a gun so it doesn't seem to really match up are you and

02:35:47.160 your husband like afraid yeah but i mean i'm afraid against um self-defense like if you even had a

02:35:52.840 knife or no no and like you know this is this is just the way that i feel it's not standing for like

02:36:00.440 all right yeah that's just the way that i feel okay uh all right we will get back actually before we

02:36:06.760 do that i have killer of cereal uh can i have you read this one okay wait into into the mic into the

02:36:14.040 i'm sorry to the ladies who answered one tall big p negative attitude would you choose him

02:36:21.160 if he had a carry license uh what if the shorter chubby guy was also afraid of guns would you feel

02:36:27.960 safer with him does this change your answers anybody yeah i probably go with the other one so you answered

02:36:35.400 one but you would switch to two yeah based on the gun ownership yeah anybody else like me nowadays i

02:36:42.040 wouldn't feel comfortable with that so um did anybody else answer one does it change anything

02:36:49.000 does it change your answer to the guy number two if he uh owns a firearm

02:36:56.440 i think that's a no okay uh we'll get back to the bumble thing nick if you could pull that back

02:37:00.520 up and we have did you change the age range yeah oh hold on one second drago undiscoordinated 200

02:37:08.040 i would rather have a gun to protect myself and my family not having a gun leaves you vulnerable to

02:37:14.040 being deleted plus there could be eight guys you never know also to a rather have a gun uh yeah

02:37:24.280 andrew do you know the statistics on like home invasions per year

02:37:27.720 i don't know the statistics on home invasion specifically every year

02:37:34.120 off the top of my head i can pull them up i think it's so i will say that they're not they're not

02:37:39.640 common uh usually criminals will try to enter into your your house when you're not there uh but they

02:37:45.640 do but they do enter when you are there and it does seem to me that that having a firearm in a place

02:37:52.040 where you're actually allowed to seems like a good idea from my perspective but okay um there's

02:37:57.560 nothing it's very difficult to convince people have zero uh firearm experience at all uh not to be

02:38:03.880 terrified of guns it's it's almost impossible from my experience all right thank you uh ivan

02:38:11.320 drago drago for that uh we'll pull up the bumble thing what was the age range on this one

02:38:15.240 all right this one's for you go ahead um so just a yes or a yes or a no yeah um i can't really see

02:38:25.160 his face i would say maybe yes he doesn't like sure um no no

02:38:36.440 no um yes no no no

02:38:54.280 yes they love to put their dog on here um no no no no no

02:39:06.440 no no no no no no

02:39:19.000 yes

02:39:23.000 interesting with the harmonica um what is it okay whatever accordion

02:39:31.320 um like yes just for shits and gigs i kind of like the style would be it

02:39:36.040 accordion that's 20 okay and then we're going to you what was your age age range 21 to 26 okay go ahead nick

02:39:49.880 wait yeah do you have it oh you're just okay you're just adjusting it got it no no

02:39:58.840 no no no no no no what is that creature uh not the guy i don't know what he was holding that was a

02:40:19.800 very strange i don't know what that was no no no then we see him already

02:40:28.120 no everybody's so far from the camera like no

02:40:33.240 no

02:40:33.640 no i don't know no no no no which one is it is it no to all of them maybe though the middle one maybe

02:40:50.760 but i didn't know yeah uh no no no no

02:41:01.720 did you say yes to anybody i think to maybe one person no i think you did a maybe to the yeah to the

02:41:07.160 three guys here's what we're gonna do if nick if there's a girl who says no to everyone we showed

02:41:12.120 they get another 10 go ahead oh i keep going yeah another 10 oh no no no

02:41:23.800 yeah wait wait hold on just one thing uh don't make any sidebar comments about like

02:41:30.280 just let the sole person answer because if you start if other girls oh he's cute it's going to

02:41:35.400 influence her just everybody silent while she answers anybody answers go ahead he has a nice

02:41:40.280 high profile so like sure okay there you go you get you still get what five more yeah yeah no no no no

02:41:53.000 no

02:41:55.240 okay uh pretty picky there pretty picky there was one yes

02:42:00.360 and then what's your age range for men you would date i have a boyfriend oh is she not doing this one

02:42:05.560 one yes you sure you don't want to do it i don't know that's fine okay uh your age range uh 21 to 30

02:42:12.680 21 to 30 okay we will do that guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever jobs to follow jobs prime sub and if

02:42:20.360 you want get a super chat in via stream lab streamlabs.com slash whatever tts is 200. go ahead nick

02:42:26.760 no no no no no no no no no no oh that one could have been a maybe no no no a little louder please no

02:42:51.080 no maybe no no no no no no no no no yeah oh wait this one's a yeah the the previous guy and this guy

02:43:19.800 no the previous guy no his muscles were too big but this one's okay this guy's yes yeah okay so that

02:43:25.800 was i think that was two yeses yeah i got two yeses one of them was a maybe but then turned into

02:43:29.880 a yes so two yeses uh okay ten so that's ten percent i guess ten percent okay next uh age range

02:43:38.520 i think it's a 25 to 40. what was it 20 25 to 40. 25 to 40. okay uh nick i'm gonna get up for a sec

02:43:45.480 but when you can just switch it back to here get their answers and then uh yeah you can bring it

02:43:51.320 let's do it he's cute maybe

02:44:02.520 no no no

02:44:08.200 no no

02:44:13.080 maybe

02:44:13.480 hard to tell there no no no no no

02:44:28.840 maybe i don't know which one

02:44:35.320 no

02:44:35.640 again i don't know again i don't know which one

02:44:44.040 maybe

02:44:47.640 impressive

02:44:50.760 no

02:44:53.800 he's cute yes no no no

02:44:59.800 okay

02:45:00.040 okay

02:45:05.320 yeah

02:45:15.000 no no face no

02:45:19.160 yes

02:45:21.240 no

02:45:23.080 no

02:45:23.320 no

02:45:23.880 no

02:45:24.280 no

02:45:25.160 yes

02:45:25.480 no

02:45:27.160 yes

02:45:29.160 no

02:45:31.160 no

02:45:31.720 no

02:45:33.960 no

02:45:36.040 no

02:45:37.000 maybe

02:45:39.800 no

02:45:41.560 no

02:45:41.800 no

02:45:43.800 no

02:45:44.280 no

02:45:46.280 yes

02:45:46.440 um

02:46:00.840 no

02:46:08.520 no

02:46:08.920 yes

02:46:10.520 Is that correct?

02:46:11.360 Yes.

02:46:16.620 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:46:40.520 That was one yes?

02:46:59.320 Yeah, one yes.

02:47:00.900 Race car dude, right?

02:47:02.660 No, I don't want to do it.

02:47:03.640 I said the race car dude, right?

02:47:04.660 No, I have Frankie already.

02:47:06.280 What do you think about that?

02:47:07.180 Everyone's really picky, I guess, but I mean, I assume, wait, I didn't even really hear

02:47:15.360 everyone's, I wasn't here for everyone's, but I heard a lot of no's, that's all.

02:47:20.860 I have an amazing boyfriend, so I have nothing to worry about.

02:47:24.520 What made you guys say no to a lot of them?

02:47:27.360 I guess we can go one by one.

02:47:29.760 Oh, a lot of them, I feel like the pictures, I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like

02:47:34.280 the pictures that I was, if they're wearing glasses, you can't see their face, if they're

02:47:37.420 like, looking away, if there's other people, you don't know which one is them, I also feel

02:47:41.280 like I can't just judge based on the picture, I feel like I'd want to know more about the

02:47:45.460 people.

02:47:46.120 I don't have dating apps.

02:47:47.700 Pictures, did it for you?

02:47:48.420 Yeah.

02:47:48.920 What about you?

02:47:49.460 I was going mostly, obviously, just based off looks, and I agree, when there's more

02:47:59.060 than one person in the photo, or they have sunglasses on, or whatever, there's a couple

02:48:03.460 where it's like, immediately no, and then the rest of them, it's like, sure, if I think

02:48:09.020 that they are attractive, then you can swipe, and then see, once you talk to them, whether

02:48:15.680 they're not, they're cool, but, I don't know.

02:48:18.240 Yeah.

02:48:18.740 Yeah, kind of the same thing, a lot of the photos were just like, I cannot, who are you,

02:48:22.840 like, it was really far, so it's like, when you're looking at those, it's just like, one

02:48:26.140 photo out of like, a dating profile, it's like, hard, like, I feel like, that's why there's

02:48:29.720 like, a whole other, the end of the profile, I'm like, okay, let me see more, out of just

02:48:34.340 the first photo.

02:48:35.000 Is this Bumble?

02:48:36.620 Is that, that's what the staff is?

02:48:38.180 Yeah.

02:48:38.400 Is it only like, one picture you show, or, or is there like, multiple?

02:48:42.320 Oh, okay, that was just like, their best photos?

02:48:47.340 Yeah, the cover, yeah, okay.

02:48:55.080 Alright guys, sorry about that, I had to step away for a sec.

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02:49:03.820 slash whatever, drops a follow, and a prime sub, and I think there was one other thing we

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02:49:12.940 Yo guys, thank you for the follows over there on Twitch, the streaming quality is better on

02:49:15.620 Twitch, and we want you guys to go over there and follow, because we're going to be doing

02:49:18.800 some additional streams over there, Maddie's going to be doing, uh, off day streams over

02:49:23.600 there, I know I've been saying that for a while, but we will get it started soon, um, it is

02:49:28.320 IndieWorks, I have one other dating, or, hold on, let me, let me do Stifler first, okay,

02:49:34.040 ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10, starting with you, go ahead.

02:49:41.400 Uh, I'd say like, a 6.5 or a 7.

02:49:46.980 We're rating our own looks?

02:49:48.740 Yeah, yeah.

02:49:50.020 Oh.

02:49:51.040 Um, 7?

02:49:54.260 I'll go with like a 6.5 to a 7, like, I can do better than right now.

02:49:58.460 I'd say a useful 4.5.

02:50:04.260 10.

02:50:06.800 This is hard, because like, I think these girls are 10, so it's like hard for me to like

02:50:10.240 say, like, I wanted to say like a 6, 7, but they said 6, 7, so.

02:50:16.840 So what do you?

02:50:17.880 Like a 6, 7.

02:50:18.980 Okay.

02:50:19.840 My family would say I'm a 10, but I'm probably a 5.

02:50:23.520 I think I'm like a 6, I could be a 7 if I lost some weight, lose the braces.

02:50:28.460 Okay, I give myself a 5.

02:50:30.960 Andrew, what about you?

02:50:34.180 Uh, 4.

02:50:35.520 4.

02:50:36.140 All right.

02:50:37.180 There you have it.

02:50:38.100 So we do have one 10 at the table.

02:50:42.020 10 out of 10?

02:50:43.300 I'm not the only 10, though.

02:50:44.640 I will say.

02:50:45.620 I'm not the only 10, though.

02:50:47.040 I will say that.

02:50:48.540 What do you mean?

02:50:49.560 You think the...

02:50:50.180 Like, I definitely see other 10s at the table.

02:50:53.220 Which ones?

02:50:55.020 Well, honestly, everyone.

02:50:56.580 But, like, if I'm going to say some 10s that, like, really, like, pop, like, you two.

02:51:01.940 Gorgeous.

02:51:02.620 Thank you.

02:51:05.620 Okay.

02:51:06.360 10 is, like, perfect.

02:51:08.900 Yeah.

02:51:09.460 Like, I drop...

02:51:10.580 Like, no flaws, like, whatsoever.

02:51:13.560 Well, not necessarily no flaws, but, like, you're show-stopping.

02:51:17.680 That's what I think a 10 is.

02:51:18.940 Like, everybody has flaws, no matter what.

02:51:22.160 Yeah, you're...

02:51:22.840 Well, and saying no, but everyone has some sort of flaws, wouldn't that be that no one

02:51:28.080 is a 10?

02:51:29.140 Because no one's perfect?

02:51:30.460 Exactly.

02:51:31.040 But we're going off a 1 to 10 scale, just hypothetically, where people are 10s, you know?

02:51:38.400 How long have you been single?

02:51:39.940 1.5 years?

02:51:41.660 Is it, like, by choice, or just, like, what's going on there?

02:51:45.760 Um, yeah, I was actually, like, really contemplating getting in a relationship with that other

02:51:51.480 person that I was seeing.

02:51:53.540 Um, but ultimately, I just decided that I'm just not in the right place to be getting in

02:51:59.060 a relationship.

02:51:59.520 Like, I'm about to graduate, about to move down to San Diego.

02:52:01.720 Is there anything about you that you would change physically?

02:52:05.760 Physically, yeah.

02:52:06.940 Like what?

02:52:08.340 Um, I hate my wrists.

02:52:10.460 My wrists are so little.

02:52:11.760 You'd change your wrists?

02:52:12.960 Yeah, I want thicker wrists, guys.

02:52:14.420 Well, how tall are you?

02:52:15.420 I'm 5'4".

02:52:16.660 Oh, you're 5'4".

02:52:17.720 Okay.

02:52:18.700 But would you say you're, like, more on the petite side?

02:52:21.140 Yeah, I am.

02:52:21.960 Well, isn't that just proportional to your general size?

02:52:25.180 I mean, slightly, but I just would, I want thicker wrists.

02:52:28.440 I don't know.

02:52:29.160 Why do you want bigger wrists?

02:52:30.720 I don't know.

02:52:31.140 I feel like everyone else at the table has, like, good wrists.

02:52:34.060 Is that, like, the first thing you look at?

02:52:35.720 No, you're beautiful, girl.

02:52:36.880 You're beautiful.

02:52:37.900 You're beautiful.

02:52:37.980 You get all...

02:52:38.380 You're so little.

02:52:39.080 I'm like, tiny wrists.

02:52:40.200 Yeah, you're good.

02:52:41.780 Your wrists are fucking terrible.

02:52:44.420 No, like, it's literally so hard to find bracelets.

02:52:48.140 What the fuck?

02:52:50.040 Okay, so, but you'd just be, like, eyeballing people's wrists?

02:52:52.680 Like, what about mine?

02:52:54.220 Yeah, good wrists.

02:52:55.440 Good wrists?

02:52:55.860 I got small wrists.

02:52:57.380 I'm in the same boat.

02:52:58.920 Oh, really?

02:52:59.420 You're also insecure about your wrists?

02:53:00.900 Oh, yeah.

02:53:01.260 I got gamer hands.

02:53:03.020 I mean, it's weird, because my dad, he's got, like, big, strong, meaty man hands, and I got

02:53:08.880 these, like, dainty piano finger hands.

02:53:10.820 Oh, my gosh.

02:53:11.780 It kind of sucks.

02:53:12.740 No, but women actually usually like little dainty hands.

02:53:15.160 What the?

02:53:16.760 I've heard.

02:53:17.340 I like masculine hands.

02:53:18.560 I've actually...

02:53:19.020 I've had no complaints.

02:53:20.340 I've had no complaints.

02:53:22.080 But just not even from, like, a dating perspective.

02:53:24.280 I would just, in general, prefer to have big, strong man hands.

02:53:27.520 Bro, you guys see me...

02:53:28.440 You guys probably haven't seen this, but I struggle to open champagne bottles.

02:53:32.800 There, I said it.

02:53:33.760 It was a struggle last...

02:53:34.880 No, actually, I'm two out of three, right, Nick?

02:53:37.340 In recent history.

02:53:38.820 Yeah.

02:53:39.440 I was able to...

02:53:40.080 We do a champagne pop set.

02:53:41.280 Why?

02:53:41.540 She's squirming.

02:53:43.700 I struggle to open one of the champagne bottles.

02:53:48.640 Gerald.

02:53:49.880 Dane, I don't know if you're still watching.

02:53:51.080 He popped two, and I struggled on one of them.

02:53:53.960 So, anyways.

02:53:54.900 Okay, so you would change your wrists.

02:53:58.340 Okay.

02:54:04.920 So, you're a 10?

02:54:06.660 Yeah.

02:54:10.280 Okay.

02:54:14.840 Does anyone...

02:54:15.980 Does anybody have to disagree, or why the hesitation?

02:54:19.820 I think the fact that she thinks she's a 10 would make her one.

02:54:23.700 Like, she's confident, and she likes the way that she is.

02:54:26.740 There's nothing...

02:54:27.120 She hates her wrists.

02:54:28.380 Well...

02:54:28.780 That brings you down to a nine, at least.

02:54:31.880 Like, I...

02:54:32.640 If it makes her a 10 just because she thinks she's a 10, then does it make me an attack helicopter

02:54:38.160 because I think I'm an attack helicopter?

02:54:39.960 Oh, my God.

02:54:41.040 What?

02:54:41.520 Well, I'm just saying that it doesn't really...

02:54:44.140 Like, people can tell her what they think she is, but if she's thinking that she's a 10,

02:54:49.640 like, and she still has insecurities, people who...

02:54:53.560 It depends on if you quantify 10 out of 10 as flawless.

02:54:57.040 People who are really pretty can still...

02:55:00.800 Or really attractive can still have flaws.

02:55:03.360 You can have flaws.

02:55:03.960 So, why'd you rate yourself a 7?

02:55:06.580 Because I don't think that I'm perfect.

02:55:09.060 Okay.

02:55:09.560 So, then you would consider the 10 rating to be perfection.

02:55:12.720 For myself.

02:55:14.900 You don't...

02:55:15.440 Well, I mean...

02:55:16.720 But who are you comparing yourself rating to?

02:55:19.280 That's not something you would come up with arbitrarily, right?

02:55:21.820 You would have to basically observe the world around you, and then you would be comparing

02:55:26.400 yourself to other human beings, right?

02:55:29.460 Yeah, like...

02:55:29.860 So, if that's true, then if your self rating is a 7, then you're saying, when I compare myself

02:55:35.180 objectively to other women, clearly there's women who I think are much prettier than I

02:55:39.500 am, who I would put in that 8, 9, or 10 scale, right?

02:55:43.100 Yeah.

02:55:43.360 Is she one of them?

02:55:45.080 I think that she's beautiful.

02:55:47.140 Yeah, I know, but that's not what I asked you, though.

02:55:48.720 Are you asking me to rate my female peers?

02:55:53.780 No.

02:55:54.700 I mean, but that's how you get your self rating, is because you're looking at your female peers,

02:55:58.480 and you're saying that some of them are prettier than you, right?

02:56:01.680 Yeah, I was thinking more like the standard, like my perceived standard of female beauty.

02:56:08.540 Yeah, right.

02:56:09.260 Your perceived standard of female beauty puts you at a 7.

02:56:12.000 So, would you say that the woman who puts herself at a 10 has a higher or lower standard

02:56:19.080 than that?

02:56:19.920 Because, clearly, you can compare yourself to other women so that you can come up with

02:56:23.620 the standard, right?

02:56:26.460 I don't really know what you're saying.

02:56:27.760 I just think the whole point is, like, that everybody can come up with their own standard.

02:56:32.420 I think you know what I'm saying.

02:56:32.520 I'm saying, how do you know if you're a 7, absent you comparing yourself to other women?

02:56:38.060 You wouldn't know that, right?

02:56:39.260 Sure, like, if I had never seen a woman before, and you asked me to rate how beautiful I thought

02:56:44.980 I was, I don't know, because I've never done that.

02:56:47.320 Yeah, there's no way for you to compare it to anything.

02:56:49.440 The whole point of a rating scale is that it's supposed to be comparative, sure.

02:56:53.180 Right, yeah, exactly.

02:56:54.420 So, if you're comparing yourself to the woman who considers herself a 10, right, are you saying

02:56:59.240 that she's a 10 or not?

02:57:01.600 Um, I, I just think that there's, I don't, I don't see the point in questioning her rating

02:57:10.840 of herself.

02:57:12.080 Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know.

02:57:13.940 I'm not, I'm not asking you if she should question her rating of herself.

02:57:17.560 I'm saying that if you're objective, and clearly you're looking at this as an objective metric,

02:57:22.320 then do you agree with that self-assessment or disagree with that self-assessment?

02:57:28.860 That's what I'm asking.

02:57:33.140 I'm not really sure.

02:57:35.020 Okay.

02:57:37.700 I got a question.

02:57:39.960 Will you, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years as compared to how you look now?

02:57:45.660 So, you're 21.

02:57:49.220 Will you be better looking at 31 or how you look now at 21?

02:57:52.920 Yeah, at 31, I would assume I'd be better looking.

02:57:55.100 You'll be better looking.

02:57:56.460 Yeah.

02:57:56.660 Well, how can you possibly be a 10 now if you'll be better looking in 10 years?

02:58:01.840 Well, that's like Miss USA, for example, like you asked, like I'm not comparing myself to

02:58:06.400 her at all, not saying my beauty's that, to that point, right?

02:58:09.240 Right.

02:58:09.480 But that's like saying, oh, she was beautiful at 21, at 31, she can't be just as beautiful.

02:58:14.800 Well, she can.

02:58:16.680 Or would you disagree that a model couldn't do that?

02:58:19.280 I'm not comparing myself to such model.

02:58:20.740 Let me change the question.

02:58:21.840 All else being equal, do you think you'll be more physically attractive in 10 years?

02:58:29.120 Yes, just because there's certain things that I do want to alter about myself that I think

02:58:33.560 that would make me a little bit more attractive.

02:58:35.080 Okay, such as?

02:58:36.740 For example, I want to be like a lot more toned.

02:58:40.280 Like I want like really toned abs, back, all that.

02:58:44.680 So I feel like that would make me more attractive.

02:58:46.300 But that doesn't take away from what I deem myself as right now.

02:58:49.600 Assuming you had that today, and then assuming you had that in 10 years, would you be more

02:58:56.120 attractive today or in 10 years?

02:58:59.380 I would say today, just because your skin will probably deteriorate a little bit.

02:59:02.720 But like your elasticity and all that.

02:59:05.820 Okay.

02:59:06.440 So you think by virtue of you working out over the course of the next 10 years, you will

02:59:14.280 be more attractive than you are now, given the fact that you currently aren't as toned

02:59:21.340 as you would like currently?

02:59:24.000 Yeah, because I would also like after I'm done with college, I'm drinking less, smoking less,

02:59:28.760 you know, your skin looks better, body looks better, you look healthier.

02:59:31.640 So you plan to stop drinking and smoking, and I don't know if there's drug use?

02:59:37.240 No, no drug use, but not necessarily stopping drinking.

02:59:40.140 I just don't want to be involved with that whole like drinking lifestyle.

02:59:44.040 Okay.

02:59:44.720 What about 20 years time?

02:59:46.880 20 years time, I view myself as less attractive compared to 21.

02:59:51.580 But I would hope to view myself as more beautiful, though.

02:59:55.380 Like I find myself more beauty, like I find more beauty within myself is what I'm trying

02:59:59.620 to say.

03:00:00.220 Okay.

03:00:00.540 I'll actually open up to the whole panel.

03:00:02.340 Do you think you'll be more physically attractive in 10 years?

03:00:04.640 All else being equal.

03:00:06.200 Will you be more attractive in 10 years as compared to how you are now?

03:00:09.400 Starting with you.

03:00:11.360 That'd be 29.

03:00:14.020 Maybe, yeah.

03:00:16.020 You'll be more physically attractive in 10 years.

03:00:18.540 All else being equal.

03:00:19.600 This isn't like, okay, well, not saying for you, but like let's say a woman was obese at

03:00:25.820 19, and then she's making the comparison.

03:00:28.160 Well, if I'm a fitness model at 29, then yes, I would be more attractive at 29.

03:00:32.940 It's assuming, you know, you're doing sort of all the things you were, if you possessed

03:00:38.500 all the traits, you know, so you're in reasonable physical shape, you know, reasonable physical shape.

03:00:46.720 You know how to, some people will argue, well, in 10 years time, I'll know how to do my makeup better.

03:00:52.280 In 10 years time, I'll know how to dress better.

03:00:54.540 Those sorts of things.

03:00:55.540 So, assuming you knew all of those things to now, or your skills in makeup or dress stayed

03:01:02.540 the same.

03:01:03.740 Right.

03:01:04.820 Still 10 years later?

03:01:06.660 Yeah, I think so.

03:01:07.880 What about you?

03:01:09.180 So, 32 versus 22?

03:01:11.260 I think that like you're your hottest in your 20s.

03:01:15.360 So, like on a physical basis.

03:01:17.840 So, I would say physically, I would be less attractive in 10 years.

03:01:22.200 But, like you said, I think there's more time for you to work on yourself physically

03:01:27.380 or mentally.

03:01:29.680 And so, in that sense, maybe like my value as a whole person would go up.

03:01:35.380 But, in terms of like my physical value, I think my physical looks, maybe it would go

03:01:41.820 down a little bit.

03:01:43.760 Probably.

03:01:44.460 I think I'll go with like looking better in 10 years.

03:01:47.140 I think there's always like room of improvement either way in how I think of myself.

03:01:52.440 So, maybe in 10 years, I would like.

03:01:54.460 You'd look better.

03:01:55.440 Maybe look better.

03:01:56.240 But, just like not even care.

03:01:57.500 Just feel better no matter how I look.

03:01:59.300 Like my mindset will change.

03:02:00.580 And that probably will make me think that I look better than I do now.

03:02:05.060 Okay.

03:02:06.520 Yeah, I don't think I'll be more physically attractive in 10 years.

03:02:09.860 But, I do think I'll be more wise, more able to take on challenges.

03:02:16.080 Not really the question, but okay.

03:02:18.180 My answer is no.

03:02:19.480 So, you're currently 32.

03:02:21.420 I am.

03:02:21.720 Would you say that you're better looking now at 32 than you were at 22?

03:02:25.220 No.

03:02:26.760 So, better looking at 22?

03:02:28.380 Yeah.

03:02:28.780 Okay.

03:02:28.960 Oh, you answered the question.

03:02:34.660 In 10 years, physically, you will be less attractive.

03:02:37.840 And I know this because at 21, I probably would have given myself like an 8 or a 9, you know, being like 125 pounds, all that stuff.

03:02:43.100 And then now at 31, almost, definitely less attractive.

03:02:47.600 All right.

03:02:48.080 So, and then at 40, I think you're answering.

03:02:52.240 At 41, yeah, I'd probably, I mean.

03:02:54.300 Wait, are you, like.

03:02:55.340 I think, did you say you were 30 years old?

03:02:56.720 So, I'm 30, but my birthday is on Sunday.

03:02:58.600 Oh, you're about to turn.

03:02:59.440 Okay, I see, I see.

03:03:01.180 But kind of like they were saying, you have more time to gain wisdom.

03:03:04.860 And I don't mean it like, just like, you know, the thing, sleeping around is what people say.

03:03:09.880 That's not really what it's about.

03:03:10.880 It's just like getting wisdom and more time to have more experiences and be smarter.

03:03:15.160 So, in that way, you do add value as a woman.

03:03:17.180 But looks-wise, your looks decrease with age.

03:03:20.680 Okay.

03:03:21.180 What about you?

03:03:21.920 Less attractive.

03:03:23.200 All right.

03:03:23.580 What about you?

03:03:24.040 I think I'll be equally attractive.

03:03:25.780 I think I'm in a peak, mid-20s.

03:03:27.940 Well, so you're 20.

03:03:29.640 Yes.

03:03:29.800 So, are you saying you'll be more attractive at 30 than you are now at 20?

03:03:33.160 No, I think I'll be, like, equally.

03:03:34.860 Equally.

03:03:35.360 Yeah.

03:03:35.520 Okay.

03:03:35.760 What about at 40?

03:03:37.140 Less attractive.

03:03:37.880 Less attractive.

03:03:38.760 Okay.

03:03:39.640 You'll be equally attractive.

03:03:41.040 All right.

03:03:42.600 Interesting questions.

03:03:43.520 Andrew, any quick thoughts?

03:03:45.160 Yeah, if you don't mind, if I follow up.

03:03:46.860 Do you think that you'll be more or less fertile in 10 years?

03:03:53.080 She likes that one.

03:03:56.620 Starting with you.

03:03:57.600 More or less.

03:03:58.860 Starting with you.

03:03:59.600 Go ahead.

03:04:00.260 It's a good question, Andrew.

03:04:01.900 Is that not, like, statistically, like, as you're younger, you're more?

03:04:06.940 Yeah.

03:04:07.300 Right?

03:04:07.940 So...

03:04:08.120 We're just asking you if you think that you'll be more or less fertile in 10 years.

03:04:11.880 At 29, probably less.

03:04:14.440 Okay.

03:04:14.740 I'll be less fertile.

03:04:18.400 Okay.

03:04:18.860 Yeah.

03:04:20.040 Probably less if I maybe take care, take better care of myself.

03:04:23.920 Who knows?

03:04:24.260 I don't know.

03:04:24.960 I'd be equal.

03:04:25.780 Less.

03:04:26.700 Less.

03:04:27.820 Less.

03:04:28.960 Less.

03:04:29.760 Less.

03:04:30.620 Now, understanding that you'll be less fertile, from an evolutionary standpoint, why do you think

03:04:36.800 that it is that men are attracted to younger women, if you had to guess?

03:04:40.520 Because they're more fertile, and so it would be evolutionary advantageous for them.

03:04:46.240 No, because they're more fertile, so it would be evolutionarily advantageous.

03:04:50.740 Would you all agree that that's true?

03:04:53.420 Yeah.

03:04:53.860 Yeah.

03:04:54.040 So then, if that is true, and that men are attracted to younger women, because it would

03:05:01.340 be evolutionarily advantageous to them, because those women are more fertile, and so therefore,

03:05:06.600 you know, you could basically have more children, which is kind of the ultimate goal from an evolutionary

03:05:12.960 standpoint, is to have more children.

03:05:16.200 And now, knowing this, and knowing that your logic walked you to that, are you going to

03:05:21.080 be more or less attractive in 10 years?

03:05:25.300 I think it was only one or two girls who said more.

03:05:28.620 Yeah, the two.

03:05:29.020 Who said more attractive in 10 years?

03:05:31.100 I forgot.

03:05:31.720 There was three.

03:05:32.620 Or three?

03:05:33.420 I knew.

03:05:33.760 It was youth?

03:05:34.440 I said.

03:05:35.760 Oh, you said more attractive, more attractive, more attractive.

03:05:38.800 So now, knowing that, do you still think that you'll be more attractive in 10 years?

03:05:42.860 I was just meaning it from, like, my personal.

03:05:46.560 I wasn't really thinking about it from, like, from how someone else would perceive me.

03:05:51.720 So if you, so...

03:05:52.480 Well, that's strange.

03:05:53.160 How do you come up with your assessment of how attractive you are if it's not through the

03:05:56.900 eyes of other people?

03:05:58.400 I think I was mainly saying I wasn't thinking about it through the eyes of men.

03:06:03.700 So I was just thinking about personally.

03:06:05.580 So women, you think about how attractive you are through the eyes of women, but why do you

03:06:09.400 think that women try to make themselves look younger?

03:06:12.860 I'm, sorry, I'm confused how this relates particularly.

03:06:16.940 I just meant that...

03:06:17.640 Well, because of the, because, again, the point is to point out what could be potentially

03:06:22.540 delusion, right?

03:06:24.300 So to answer your question, there are plenty of women out there who think that they're

03:06:28.740 going to be much better looking in 10 years than they are in whatever their current status

03:06:33.020 is.

03:06:33.280 Let's say 20.

03:06:34.620 It's just kind of like a general run-of-the-mill age.

03:06:37.680 But yet, understand that their fertility is going to greatly reduce in that 10 years

03:06:43.220 and that men would be attracted from an evolutionary standpoint, which is your guys' worldview,

03:06:48.220 the feminist worldview, anyway.

03:06:51.380 I don't understand how you reconcile that because you're basically saying that, hey, we're

03:06:57.040 going to be less fertile, therefore aren't men going to be less attracted to you?

03:07:00.640 Isn't that the point?

03:07:03.860 Well, I'm 19, so I think when I look at other women that I find really beautiful, most of

03:07:10.300 them tend to be in their mid-20s.

03:07:12.980 So if I'm mid to late 20s, so if I'm thinking about...

03:07:15.680 Well, in 10 years, you're 29.

03:07:17.380 You're going to be less fertile than you are at 20, right?

03:07:20.420 I'm 19, yeah.

03:07:22.420 Yeah.

03:07:23.700 Right.

03:07:24.060 So then wouldn't it stand to reason that if fertility is the thing that's being selected

03:07:29.420 for, which it stands to reason it would be, that you would be less attractive to the opposite

03:07:34.940 sex the more time that goes by as far as fertility, right?

03:07:39.260 Sure.

03:07:40.400 Yeah.

03:07:41.500 So do you think that maybe your self-assessments, for those of you who think that you're going

03:07:45.600 to be more attractive in 10 years, might be slightly delusional?

03:07:48.620 Or is this perhaps the reason that women do themselves up in such a way to try to look

03:07:54.080 as young as possible to attract a mate?

03:07:57.180 As I was saying, I just picked that, like, that I would be more attractive because that's

03:08:02.780 what, like, when I see attractive women, that tends to be the age they are, is, like, 25

03:08:07.600 to, like, 30 is, like, really attractive.

03:08:10.320 But that's just me.

03:08:11.680 So that's what I meant.

03:08:13.800 All right.

03:08:15.320 Okay.

03:08:15.720 One, we're going to segue briefly, and I hope briefly, because I said that about the

03:08:21.740 bear thing.

03:08:22.640 We talked about it for an hour and a half.

03:08:24.980 All right.

03:08:25.480 So the bullet scenario, because it's related to the bear scenario.

03:08:30.140 Now, the best way of framing this question goes something like this.

03:08:34.840 Should men be willing to sacrifice their life for their girlfriend or wife?

03:08:40.360 Or in other words, should men as a gender role, as a gender expectation, be willing to

03:08:45.580 take a bullet for their girlfriend or wife, starting with you?

03:08:53.600 No.

03:08:58.720 I would say probably not.

03:09:00.740 But, like, I don't necessarily view that as a gender role necessarily.

03:09:04.960 Like, I would take a bullet for my boyfriend, too.

03:09:09.140 Okay.

03:09:09.360 And men being expected to be the protectors is a different story.

03:09:15.880 I would expect the same, like, equally.

03:09:18.240 Like, I know I probably would if I truly love this person.

03:09:20.740 And it's, like, equally.

03:09:21.620 Like, I don't think it's a gender role thing.

03:09:23.920 Wait.

03:09:24.300 Let me just pause really quick.

03:09:25.640 Maybe, Andrew, you can help me out a little bit with this.

03:09:27.600 I know there has to be a better way for me to frame this question to kind of get at what

03:09:34.060 I'm getting at.

03:09:35.220 Yeah.

03:09:35.620 I would just ask it this way.

03:09:37.740 Just really quickly, just yes or no around the table.

03:09:40.960 Do you feel that you are honorable?

03:09:44.880 Real quick.

03:09:45.900 Very quickly.

03:09:47.300 Around the table.

03:09:47.880 Do you feel that you're an honorable person?

03:09:49.980 Yes.

03:09:51.600 Yes.

03:09:52.980 Next.

03:09:53.460 I think so, yes.

03:09:54.720 Yeah.

03:09:55.180 Next.

03:09:55.460 Through God, yes.

03:09:57.180 Yes.

03:09:58.440 Next.

03:09:59.360 Not really.

03:10:00.740 Yeah.

03:10:01.740 Not really honorable.

03:10:03.100 Okay.

03:10:03.580 So, to those of you who answered yes, you feel you're honorable people, do you expect the

03:10:07.540 man you're with to defend your honor?

03:10:16.820 Oh.

03:10:18.780 No, I guess.

03:10:20.240 No?

03:10:21.160 I don't think I've ever...

03:10:22.280 Andrew, can we give them a scenario?

03:10:24.000 You're with your boyfriend and somebody insulted you in front of your boyfriend and insulted

03:10:29.840 your honor.

03:10:30.680 Uh-huh.

03:10:31.040 You have no expectation that he defended?

03:10:34.000 Well, sure.

03:10:35.500 Why not?

03:10:36.100 Okay.

03:10:36.460 Well, then you do expect your significant other to defend your honor, right?

03:10:41.460 Not by a bullet, though.

03:10:43.260 Well, but hang on.

03:10:44.760 We'll get to that entailment in a second.

03:10:46.620 Okay.

03:10:46.940 But let's just start with, you do expect him to defend your honor, right?

03:10:50.460 Sure.

03:10:51.540 Okay.

03:10:52.400 Next.

03:10:54.660 I don't think I've ever thought about defending my honor once in my life, but I would say,

03:11:00.440 like, sure.

03:11:02.020 Wait, can I ask a question?

03:11:03.240 Andrew, let me know if this fits within your scenario.

03:11:06.320 Let's say you're out walking a party street here, think here locally, or, like, in a bar

03:11:15.580 district, you're walking with your boyfriend, and a guy slaps your ass.

03:11:20.160 Would you want your boyfriend to physically intervene?

03:11:24.720 Like, fight the guy that did it?

03:11:26.920 Yeah.

03:11:27.380 Is that a fair question?

03:11:29.080 Yeah.

03:11:29.700 But, I mean, the entailment's going to be the same both ways, but sure.

03:11:33.740 Or, um, some random guy, he's basically S-H-ed you, right?

03:11:40.480 Do you want him to just kind of stand by?

03:11:43.700 Or do you want him to do something about it?

03:11:46.560 Oh, like, would I expect my boyfriend to defend me if a man were to have, like, sexually harassed

03:11:51.640 me?

03:11:52.300 Yeah.

03:11:53.880 Um, I would say probably, yeah.

03:11:56.220 So then, I don't, so then that's the entailment part, right?

03:11:59.140 That I don't understand.

03:12:01.280 If somebody assaults you or does something to you, you expect that, you know, your boyfriend

03:12:07.720 or husband or whatever will put him in his place.

03:12:11.100 But somehow, when it's a life-threatening situation, which every physical altercation

03:12:15.500 could potentially be, the answer is no.

03:12:18.560 And so, to me, it always seems like women are speaking out of both sides of their mouth

03:12:22.800 on this and trying to give the answer they think that they want you to do.

03:12:26.900 They're giving the answer that they think you want rather than the answer they really

03:12:30.080 believe.

03:12:33.560 Should we get answers from the rest of the girls on this?

03:12:36.400 Sure.

03:12:38.800 Go ahead.

03:12:39.560 From my partner, I would probably expect that from my partner, yes.

03:12:43.180 Okay.

03:12:43.380 I think that people would defend each other regardless of gender.

03:12:49.560 Females, too.

03:12:51.140 Yeah, great.

03:12:51.660 If you were married and a guy went by and smacked you on the rear end, would you expect

03:12:56.220 that your husband did something about that?

03:12:58.620 I would be happy if he did.

03:13:00.800 Okay.

03:13:03.200 Yeah, I would, too.

03:13:06.660 Um, yeah, I would want him to defend me.

03:13:09.620 Yes.

03:13:10.500 Yes, I would.

03:13:11.240 Yeah, so then the thing is, is that you are most certainly all willing to put a man in

03:13:17.480 harm's way to defend you.

03:13:20.160 But it doesn't have to be a man, it could be a woman, too.

03:13:22.720 So, when this idea comes up of, but if it's life-threatening, now I don't expect him to,

03:13:28.320 it's really hard to believe, you know?

03:13:31.520 I mean, from this specific example, I can speak, I feel like the thing is, like with the slapping

03:13:38.140 ass thing, it's like, I would expect him to, not because I'm, like, wanting to put him

03:13:42.760 in harm's way, but it's, like, if that situation would have happened with me by myself, I would

03:13:48.360 have been the one to, like, do something about it.

03:13:50.720 So, it's like, if you're my boyfriend, if you're my man.

03:13:52.960 I mean, what would you be able to do about it?

03:13:54.820 I don't know.

03:13:55.260 I'd check him in one way or another.

03:13:57.380 No, not calling the cops.

03:13:58.880 Just be like, you know, I'm not just going to, like, let it happen and walk away.

03:14:01.220 Yeah, I've had girlfriends tell guys off if guys are doing things.

03:14:05.040 Yeah, so it's just not just men.

03:14:06.040 Oh, yeah, man, that taught them a lesson.

03:14:07.480 So, the thing is, though, it's like, you're willing to put a man in harm's way.

03:14:12.100 Every single time a man fights on your behalf, the potential exists for him to die, just so

03:14:17.280 you understand that.

03:14:18.100 If I was with my boyfriend or husband and a girl grabbed him downstairs, I would defend him.

03:14:27.280 Yeah, it's very similar.

03:14:28.280 Well, okay, right.

03:14:29.120 Yeah, it goes both ways.

03:14:30.320 Yeah, I get it.

03:14:31.280 But would he need you to?

03:14:34.300 Maybe.

03:14:34.920 Well, I think that's exactly your point.

03:14:36.460 Does he need you to step in on his honor, or could he actually do something about that

03:14:41.580 himself?

03:14:42.580 And the odds of him actually getting damaged in an altercation with a woman who grabs him

03:14:47.260 by the junk, significantly less than the chance of you getting damaged in an altercation

03:14:51.620 with a man who might do something which is sexually inappropriate to you, right?

03:14:55.500 So, the thing is, is that you do seem, all of you, to be willing to put your man in harm's

03:15:00.380 way to defend your honor, because that's all that's being violated there, right?

03:15:04.400 It's really just your honors being violated, and you want them to defend your honor, right?

03:15:08.800 Okay.

03:15:11.800 Graalzulu donated $200.

03:15:14.520 Yo, Graalz, thank you.

03:15:15.780 Scenario, a car is coming at 120 miles per hour.

03:15:19.480 Your man has only enough time to either jump out of the way and let you get hit, or push

03:15:24.380 you out of the way and he gets hit.

03:15:26.400 It's a good one.

03:15:26.960 Which do you prefer?

03:15:28.700 Which do you prefer?

03:15:29.400 Car is coming, 120 miles per hour.

03:15:34.100 Your man has only enough time to either jump out of the way, and you let you get hit, or

03:15:38.760 push you out of the way, and he gets hit.

03:15:40.700 Which do you prefer?

03:15:44.260 Oh, sorry.

03:15:45.220 Yeah.

03:15:46.060 I'll get hit, that's fine.

03:15:47.620 Oh, all right.

03:15:49.880 Wait, just be clear.

03:15:50.720 Unless the car pats you on the rear end on the way across, and then he needs to get in

03:15:57.360 there and beat the shit out of that car, right?

03:16:02.120 Wait, I'm confused.

03:16:03.580 Okay.

03:16:04.300 Wait, so this is if there's a car coming at the two of us, and it's either...

03:16:09.140 So I think it's in line to hit you.

03:16:12.600 Maybe he's standing off to the side.

03:16:14.060 Okay.

03:16:14.180 He's got a split second.

03:16:15.700 He can like, I think he jumps out, he can push you out of the way, but he gets hit,

03:16:20.760 or he does, he takes no action.

03:16:22.940 He takes no action, and you get hit.

03:16:25.540 Hmm.

03:16:27.360 Um, I think in the scenario where I got hit, let's say I let that happen, I don't think

03:16:34.420 I would be mad and say, oh, you should have sacrificed yourself for me.

03:16:40.640 Okay.

03:16:41.380 So, um...

03:16:42.800 Sure.

03:16:43.340 Not that I want to get hit by a car.

03:16:45.220 Right.

03:16:45.880 And, or like that he somehow has the means to protect me in that situation, because he

03:16:51.080 doesn't really.

03:16:52.620 He could kill himself for me, but then I would just have survivor's guilt and be like, why

03:16:57.200 did you do that?

03:16:58.900 You know?

03:16:59.220 Yeah, but the same exact logic could be applied for him defending his, your honor.

03:17:03.600 If somebody...

03:17:04.600 I don't think about it in terms of honor.

03:17:05.800 I don't walk or think...

03:17:05.900 You have that same expectation.

03:17:07.860 If some guy comes by and smacks you on the rear end, that he do something about that,

03:17:13.180 he could definitely die in that situation.

03:17:16.720 I mean...

03:17:17.560 But statistically, he would be...

03:17:18.180 And you'd still want him to do it, though.

03:17:19.360 But statistically, he would be less likely to die.

03:17:21.420 He's guaranteed to die if he gets hit by a car.

03:17:22.920 Well, what is the threshold for when it's okay to, to, like, is it appropriate to have

03:17:27.700 5%?

03:17:28.920 4%?

03:17:29.180 Well, it's actually interesting that you say that, because...

03:17:30.180 There's also a statistical...

03:17:31.820 There's also...

03:17:32.340 It's also possible that he lives getting hit by the car.

03:17:35.480 It's not even, it's not even a sure thing he dies getting hit by the car, right?

03:17:39.040 Like...

03:17:39.560 120 miles an hour?

03:17:41.320 Like, he probably will die, compared to...

03:17:44.920 Maybe he gets in a scuffle with a guy, and sure, maybe the guy's a knife, and he slits

03:17:49.080 his throat or something.

03:17:49.520 Well, I mean, more people die from hands and feet in the United States than they die from

03:17:53.160 firearms.

03:17:54.500 Hands and feet and physical altercation...

03:17:57.300 Dangerous feet.

03:17:57.920 I'm sorry, from rifles.

03:17:58.820 Right?

03:17:59.220 From rifles.

03:17:59.720 Dangerous feet.

03:18:00.840 A lot of dangerous feet.

03:18:01.980 Yeah.

03:18:02.000 Hands and feet from just rifles.

03:18:03.860 I'm not kidding.

03:18:04.640 You can look this up.

03:18:05.680 Just hands and feet alone do more damage to people than rifles.

03:18:08.820 More people die from just that than rifles per year.

03:18:11.560 Men in a physical altercation with another man, yeah, they can die.

03:18:15.160 And they die.

03:18:16.100 They do die.

03:18:17.260 Fighting with other men, with their fists.

03:18:19.440 Men are very strong.

03:18:20.340 Much stronger than women often give them credit for.

03:18:23.600 A well-placed blow, and yeah, he's dead.

03:18:26.260 And you'd want him to do that to defend your honor, right?

03:18:31.140 I don't know.

03:18:32.080 I think that these scenarios are too specific.

03:18:33.860 And when you make this scenario more specific, people are more likely to answer illogically.

03:18:40.240 And so in this situation, well, I don't have a boyfriend, so I can't imagine anyone pushing

03:18:47.380 me out of the way to defend my honor or whatever.

03:18:50.180 But I would say I wouldn't ask someone to do that for me necessarily.

03:18:54.000 Andrew, if you mind, I'll just jump in really quick.

03:18:56.420 I have a few things.

03:18:57.780 I do want to first go around the table on this.

03:18:59.980 If you all give your answer to the car scenario.

03:19:06.520 I'll just die.

03:19:08.440 I wouldn't expect that.

03:19:09.800 You wouldn't expect that?

03:19:10.700 What about you?

03:19:11.020 I wouldn't expect it.

03:19:15.100 Which do you...

03:19:15.840 Okay, you might not expect it.

03:19:17.080 Which would you prefer?

03:19:19.400 I'm not sure.

03:19:22.060 In that case, I prefer that he doesn't sacrifice himself.

03:19:26.180 Yeah, I'm not really sure either on this one.

03:19:28.180 Okay.

03:19:28.640 I can ask a different one, but go ahead.

03:19:30.200 I would prefer him to jump in front of the car with me because he loves me so much.

03:19:33.840 So you both...

03:19:34.800 Okay.

03:19:35.160 All right.

03:19:35.620 What about you?

03:19:36.100 I would say the same thing as her, but I think a man of God would push me out of the way.

03:19:49.420 Okay.

03:19:50.200 Let me try to reframe it a little differently.

03:19:52.120 I don't know if it's going to change the answers.

03:19:54.000 If the Grim Reaper comes and says, should I take your life or your husband's, who do you choose?

03:20:00.640 My life.

03:20:03.760 Probably mine.

03:20:05.360 Mine.

03:20:06.100 It depends who's closer to being saved or who's going to help people.

03:20:09.980 Wait, what?

03:20:11.920 Okay.

03:20:12.660 That's what I pick.

03:20:14.240 What are you, closer to being saved by Jesus?

03:20:17.600 Mm-hmm.

03:20:21.880 Does that not make sense?

03:20:24.500 You've both been saved.

03:20:26.840 You've both been saved.

03:20:27.820 Both of you.

03:20:28.800 Both of you have been saved in your holy matrimony from the church.

03:20:32.800 The Holy Spirit was present.

03:20:35.080 You were both, when you tied the knot, right?

03:20:38.500 It happened.

03:20:39.460 You've both been saved.

03:20:40.800 Okay.

03:20:41.180 Wait, wait.

03:20:41.820 Andrew, can I ask you a clarifying question?

03:20:43.420 Is it saved by like a heresy church or like, does that change anything?

03:20:48.900 From my worldview, yes, but who cares?

03:20:50.760 Okay.

03:20:51.060 All right.

03:20:51.320 It doesn't matter for the question.

03:20:53.280 What should you pick?

03:20:55.000 I don't know.

03:20:59.000 Okay.

03:21:01.480 If we don't have kids, I can die.

03:21:04.040 If we have kids, he has to die.

03:21:06.420 Interesting.

03:21:07.320 Okay.

03:21:07.520 I mean, obviously, I'd want my own life, but I'd want him to choose his own life, too,

03:21:12.020 so it's hard to say.

03:21:13.240 All right.

03:21:14.480 Sticking with what I said before, take both of us.

03:21:16.740 Okay.

03:21:17.220 I know how to reframe this again.

03:21:18.580 Go ahead.

03:21:19.000 I would say to take, probably take my life.

03:21:27.480 Okay.

03:21:28.280 So, let us remove ourselves from the actual scenario, and I'm going to give you another

03:21:33.020 scenario.

03:21:34.120 Would you prefer to date a man who was willing to sacrifice his life for you versus dating

03:21:41.340 a guy who was unwilling in all scenarios to ever sacrifice his life for you?

03:21:46.640 Would you think, for example, that one is less masculine?

03:21:53.600 Was that the end of the question?

03:21:55.500 Well, would you think...

03:21:56.400 I kind of...

03:21:58.280 Is he done yet?

03:22:01.620 Okay.

03:22:02.140 You could think, like, okay, one, which would you prefer to date?

03:22:05.700 And then also, I mean, you might have some analysis there of the actual person in question.

03:22:10.000 For example, if he was unwilling to sacrifice his life for you to make the ultimate protection

03:22:16.140 move, the ultimate sacrifice of dying for you, would you deem that as, like, less masculine?

03:22:21.520 Maybe he's a beta male?

03:22:23.320 That sort of thing.

03:22:26.100 I would say that I'd be, like, more willing to date someone who is willing to sacrifice

03:22:31.140 themselves.

03:22:33.000 But mainly because if I'm dating someone, it's probably because I love them, and I would do

03:22:37.560 the same for them.

03:22:38.380 So I think it's more of, like, equality on that.

03:22:41.480 What about you?

03:22:42.740 Would you deem it less attractive or less masculine if a guy was unwilling to do that

03:22:49.220 for you?

03:22:51.720 I think that it's funny that you have to reframe the question this many times because I think

03:22:55.560 that we've all been pretty consistent in our position.

03:22:58.260 I would say that it depends on his motive for why he would be willing to sacrifice himself.

03:23:04.640 If it's for the purpose of defending my honor, I don't really want anyone to defend my honor.

03:23:12.580 Just the Grim Reaper scenario.

03:23:14.960 Oh, okay, sure.

03:23:15.700 You guys can decide together, I guess, on who.

03:23:18.960 Like, we look at each other and be like, who's going?

03:23:21.120 And he's like, me, I will die for us.

03:23:24.080 I feel like there's better framing on this question.

03:23:29.380 Yeah, I don't know.

03:23:30.300 I don't know.

03:23:31.260 This all really stems from a previous show we were having a conversation.

03:23:35.260 Well, actually, before I get into that, just going around the table, if you can give quick

03:23:38.340 answers to this reframe.

03:23:39.180 I mean, I don't get it, though.

03:23:40.720 There is no need to reframe.

03:23:42.740 You flip-flopped multiple times.

03:23:44.040 If you're willing to put your man in harm's way just to defend you because you feel like

03:23:48.420 you were slighted by another man, then clearly your priority is you and not him.

03:23:54.080 When it comes to a situation like that, how could it be anything different than that?

03:23:58.880 Some guy came by and opened palms, smacked you on the rear, and you're demanding or think

03:24:05.160 that he should step in and defend your honor.

03:24:08.380 You're definitely putting him in harm's way at his expense and not at your expense.

03:24:12.680 I don't understand why, when we logically extend that out, why that wouldn't be the case.

03:24:18.380 Because if I swung at a man, I'm probably not going to win.

03:24:23.980 So if they did that and I go in for a swing, I probably wouldn't win that situation.

03:24:33.600 Yeah, right.

03:24:34.400 So he should put himself in harm's way.

03:24:37.080 He doesn't have it to.

03:24:37.880 But this would be the same thing, too, even in the bullet scenario.

03:24:41.440 Which one would you prefer take a bullet?

03:24:44.000 A man has a much larger body mass and can probably survive being shot better than a woman could, too.

03:24:50.540 So, I mean, if that's the extension, then you would have to extend it out to everything, right?

03:24:56.500 What is this, Bridgerton?

03:24:57.860 We living in the, like, we dueling out here?

03:25:00.020 I'm kidding.

03:25:00.360 No, but I'm just saying, like, I don't know.

03:25:06.160 Here, let's get the girl's answers, I guess, on the, was it the grim?

03:25:09.620 The grim.

03:25:10.060 No, no, no, we already did that.

03:25:11.000 If he would.

03:25:12.220 Would you deem a man, like, less date-worthy or less attractive if he was unwilling to die for you?

03:25:19.460 No.

03:25:20.460 No.

03:25:21.740 No.

03:25:22.860 Well, your question was different.

03:25:24.000 You asked, like, would you rather date the guy who would or wouldn't?

03:25:28.160 I would date the guy who rather would.

03:25:29.700 Okay.

03:25:31.360 Uh, it's, it's fine.

03:25:34.500 I wouldn't say it's less masculine, but I wouldn't date them.

03:25:38.040 Okay, I see.

03:25:39.100 Well, I guess kind of what we're getting towards with this is that, uh, hold on, let me just add this really quick to my notes, is, uh, there does seem to be some degree of a gender expectation on men to protect, and the ultimate manifestation of protection would be, in some sort of scenario, to sacrifice one's life for their partner.

03:25:58.880 And this typically men will, uh, typically be the man sacrificing his life for the woman.

03:26:03.940 There are perhaps not so much at this table, but there are plenty of women, perhaps they lean a bit more conservative, who would prefer, have a strong preference to date a man who would be willing to protect her at the cost of his life.

03:26:18.300 And so, and this all stems from, I don't know exactly how it came about, but a couple shows back, I said, yeah, I wouldn't be willing to, uh, to die for a woman.

03:26:29.660 And they all objected to that, and they found, they'd say they, they, it was, you're less masculine, you're not as date worthy, blah, blah, blah.

03:26:39.560 And, um, I gave quite a bit of pushback.

03:26:42.020 I would not be willing to, uh, sacrifice my life for a woman, and, um, or the woman I was dating, rather, uh, even my wife.

03:26:49.660 And even, even if we had children, I know a couple of you seem to indicate that, well, if you had children, you'd prefer, uh, the, the man died versus the woman.

03:26:58.320 But I would just make the argument to that.

03:26:59.660 I think it was you.

03:27:00.260 I would just make the argument to that one that, well, it seems like the outcomes for, uh, children raised by single fathers versus single mothers does seem to be a bit better comparative, comparatively speaking, statistically speaking.

03:27:13.740 And also, I would argue that, assuming the man is the breadwinner in this situation and the woman isn't, uh, the man would be better, uh, have more capacity and be more capable of, that was just kind of redundant, but okay, would be more capable of providing and protecting for the children.

03:27:31.560 So, in any scenario, whether you're single, don't have kids, or even if you do have kids, I think it would be better for the man to survive.

03:27:38.480 Andrew does disagree with me on that one.

03:27:40.580 He has a more, uh, traditional worldview than I do.

03:27:44.020 Um, I will say, Andrew, I want to give a chess.

03:27:47.280 I want to talk about chess really quick.

03:27:49.740 Dear Andrew, in chess, you lose if you sacrifice the king to save the queen.

03:27:55.200 Checkmate, Andrew.

03:27:58.360 Well, you can't, um, the thing that's funny is in chess, you can't actually take the king off the board.

03:28:04.560 You can only ever take the queen off the board.

03:28:06.680 Just, just letting you know, right?

03:28:08.920 There's, you can only ever checkmate the king.

03:28:11.560 You can't, you can't actually take him off the board.

03:28:14.880 That's true.

03:28:16.380 Yeah.

03:28:16.780 That's true.

03:28:17.600 But, that's, that's what I'm saying.

03:28:19.620 You can't sacrifice the king.

03:28:20.980 Who's arguably on the chess board the most important piece, Brian?

03:28:24.000 Which piece is the most important one?

03:28:27.000 Andrew, don't do this to me.

03:28:28.580 Andrew, you can't do this to me.

03:28:29.680 Which one's the most important one, Brian?

03:28:30.380 Which, which one?

03:28:31.060 Which one's the most powerful?

03:28:32.280 The queen.

03:28:33.020 Yeah, the queen.

03:28:34.120 The queen.

03:28:34.360 The queen's the most important piece on the board.

03:28:36.560 Dammit, Andrew, why you gotta do this to me?

03:28:38.220 Why you gotta do this to me, Andrew?

03:28:40.960 Well, what, but you know, I will say, for example, in this scenario, you know, the scenario,

03:28:45.180 there's, there's a, there's a move.

03:28:46.860 It's called a queen sack.

03:28:48.240 Queen sacrifice.

03:28:49.200 So you'll sacrifice, the player will voluntarily let the opponent capture their queen and to

03:28:55.820 gain some sort of advantage, either material or gaining a better position or even a checkmate.

03:29:01.100 So, uh, I think that the, the woman, I think the woman should sacrifice their life.

03:29:08.080 I think the woman should sacrifice their life.

03:29:10.360 Do you have a girlfriend?

03:29:12.120 Well, that is true.

03:29:12.980 You do, you do sacrifice the queen on behalf of the king in chess if you want to win sometimes.

03:29:17.340 That is true.

03:29:18.440 Yeah.

03:29:18.660 So, uh, also, do you guys think it would be like, it's more beta, like beta male?

03:29:24.500 I don't like, I don't like the alpha beta thing, but do you think it's more beta if the

03:29:28.380 guy's like not willing to like fight for his chick?

03:29:31.060 Yes.

03:29:31.760 Yeah.

03:29:32.940 Absolutely.

03:29:33.900 But check this out.

03:29:35.060 Yeah.

03:29:35.400 Just going around the table, more, more or less beta, beta.

03:29:39.280 Literally no comment.

03:29:40.400 No comment.

03:29:41.840 What do you, come on, this would, you'd be like, what are you, a little bitch?

03:29:46.420 I'm not going to.

03:29:46.920 What?

03:29:47.660 Right?

03:29:48.040 Wouldn't that be your thinking?

03:29:49.380 No.

03:29:50.420 This little bitch doesn't want to.

03:29:52.200 Here.

03:29:52.560 Okay.

03:29:52.720 Let me, let me give you a different scenario.

03:29:54.080 That's not as extreme as life or death.

03:29:56.320 Here's the scenario.

03:29:57.360 Okay.

03:29:58.420 You're dating a dude.

03:30:00.600 And then.

03:30:02.520 Hmm.

03:30:02.840 And then like some dude starts talking smack to you and he's like, babe, he seems really

03:30:12.660 unhinged.

03:30:14.060 We, we gotta, let, let's leave.

03:30:16.960 Someone's like legitimately unhinged or just like not like actually.

03:30:21.400 Do they speak to us just like that?

03:30:23.800 If someone's like legitimately unhinged, we both gotta go.

03:30:26.780 All right.

03:30:27.520 I don't want to be there.

03:30:28.920 I just want to point out one thing, right?

03:30:30.680 Uh, you know, I've heard from, from the chat.

03:30:34.540 The chat thinks it's beta male.

03:30:36.860 Some women think it's beta male.

03:30:38.500 I would argue it's fucking Sigma Alpha to let the woman die because here's why ladies,

03:30:43.780 here's why, here's why.

03:30:44.880 Think of like Genghis Khan, right?

03:30:46.940 This guy had like concubines and mistresses and like multiple wives.

03:30:51.640 He had like, I don't know if it was dozens or hundreds of wives.

03:30:54.680 This guy had the largest contiguous land empire, the Mongol empire, the largest contiguous.

03:31:03.220 Some people are like, there's bigger, contiguous has a, has a meaning guys.

03:31:07.600 Biggest empire in the world, multiple wives, hundreds of children.

03:31:12.280 You think he, he would sacrifice his life for one of his measly wives?

03:31:17.520 That was not, not my view, his view.

03:31:19.000 He probably didn't care much.

03:31:20.160 No, he didn't care.

03:31:22.320 Jess Gerald donated $200.

03:31:24.660 I'm trying guys.

03:31:25.460 Chess player here, the king is the most important piece.

03:31:29.160 If the king gets scott, the game's over.

03:31:32.040 If the queen gets scott, you can take a pawn and make a new queen.

03:31:36.320 Sorry, Mr. Wilson.

03:31:38.640 That wasn't my argument.

03:31:39.540 My argument was that the queen's the most powerful piece on the board.

03:31:42.440 And it is.

03:31:46.200 Fo sho.

03:31:46.720 So he's lost $200?

03:31:47.760 I know.

03:31:50.160 And I do have a bone to pick with Andrew at some point, if it could come up.

03:31:54.880 Yeah, we'll, I do have that in the notes.

03:31:57.160 In fact, let me read one chat and then we'll get right to that.

03:32:00.380 So, Killa of Cereal.

03:32:02.980 Actually, I need to do this one too.

03:32:04.720 Killa of Cereal, for the panel, which ethnicity have you dated the most?

03:32:08.560 Would you not date a certain ethnicity?

03:32:10.320 Why?

03:32:10.960 Starting with our dear friend.

03:32:13.320 Can you pronounce it?

03:32:14.840 Yael?

03:32:15.500 Yeah.

03:32:16.220 Okay.

03:32:16.640 Look at that.

03:32:16.960 Sorry, I already lost my train of thought.

03:32:21.800 Oh, it was.

03:32:22.740 Can it pull back?

03:32:24.000 Which ethnicity have you dated the most?

03:32:26.340 Would you not date a certain ethnicity?

03:32:28.400 I've dated the most white people.

03:32:30.980 I don't think.

03:32:31.480 White boys.

03:32:32.340 There's.

03:32:34.600 Sorry.

03:32:35.000 No, I don't think there's any ethnicity I wouldn't date.

03:32:39.220 Okay.

03:32:39.240 What about you?

03:32:41.660 You have, it's basically asking if you got a type.

03:32:45.160 You got a type, you know?

03:32:46.920 You like them white boys, black guys, Latinos, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans.

03:32:52.780 I don't want to say on a live stream what my preference is on the basis of ethnicity.

03:32:57.820 That's fair.

03:33:02.720 So you only date Vietnamese guys?

03:33:09.040 I don't think that ethnicity is the most important thing.

03:33:12.040 No, of course not.

03:33:13.160 And like in terms of like who I find attractive, I haven't really dated a whole lot of people, honestly.

03:33:20.300 The guy that I dated was white, but I don't think that that's necessarily speaking to my type.

03:33:26.460 And actually, just curious, what is your ethnicity?

03:33:30.620 I'm half Chinese, half Italian.

03:33:32.940 Okay.

03:33:33.740 All right.

03:33:36.460 And so what's your ethnicity?

03:33:38.160 And then just what ethnicities have you dated?

03:33:41.260 And would you not date a certain ethnicity?

03:33:43.840 I am white, but I'm like ethnic.

03:33:48.880 Like, I don't know.

03:33:49.860 I get confused sometimes, but I'm just like Latina, but I'm a white woman at the end.

03:33:54.000 Okay.

03:33:55.480 But I don't think I've had a preference so far.

03:33:59.300 It's been pretty mixed with everything.

03:34:01.200 Got a mixed bag?

03:34:01.800 Yeah.

03:34:02.320 I think like type in general, just like more feminine guys.

03:34:05.740 You like more feminine guys?

03:34:07.400 Yes.

03:34:09.220 Did you just say that?

03:34:11.180 Nick said based.

03:34:14.560 So what's like an example of a feminine guy?

03:34:18.480 Like, can you think of a celebrity that, just so we know what you're kind of like into, you know?

03:34:26.400 Like a basic one, I feel like Timothee Chalamet.

03:34:29.440 I was just thinking that.

03:34:30.440 Yeah.

03:34:30.680 So he's kind of more feminine.

03:34:32.020 Okay.

03:34:32.280 I think like, yeah.

03:34:33.820 Are you like, you want to peg him or like, is that?

03:34:36.260 Um, I find him just more attractive.

03:34:41.600 But you, I find like a man with feminine features tend to be more attractive, attractive to me.

03:34:48.360 Are you on, uh, actually, I'm curious about this.

03:34:50.480 I was going to ask.

03:34:51.200 Uh, are you on birth control?

03:34:53.480 Uh, I have an IUD.

03:34:56.040 Hormonal or copper?

03:34:57.560 Hormonal.

03:34:58.860 So there's like this theory bouncing around that women who are on birth control start to like lean towards being more attracted to feminine men as compared to more masculine men.

03:35:06.900 That's been, no, that's been a trend in my whole life.

03:35:09.140 I got this only last year.

03:35:11.140 So it's, it's been like that.

03:35:13.140 At least for me, I don't know.

03:35:14.760 Actually going around the table, who here's on birth control?

03:35:17.360 Yeah.

03:35:17.980 Which kind?

03:35:19.240 Pill.

03:35:19.980 Kind.

03:35:20.200 I have the arm implant.

03:35:22.380 Nexplanon?

03:35:23.260 Mm-hmm.

03:35:24.200 IUD.

03:35:25.020 Hormonal IUD?

03:35:26.860 No.

03:35:27.760 No, no birth control?

03:35:28.860 No.

03:35:29.900 No.

03:35:31.060 I've never been on birth control.

03:35:32.840 No, and I'm against hormonal birth control.

03:35:36.000 Okay.

03:35:36.740 All right.

03:35:37.840 Uh, your answer to the, uh, ethnicity question.

03:35:42.100 Um, I like men of all ethnicities.

03:35:44.740 My boyfriend is Middle Eastern, but I like any ethnicity.

03:35:48.700 Sure.

03:35:50.200 I also don't have a preference on this, ethnicity.

03:35:53.780 Um, I prefer to date my own race, which is like Slavic guys.

03:35:58.260 I've only ever been with white guys, and I'm only attracted to white guys.

03:36:01.880 Um, I have a type, blonde hair, blue eyes.

03:36:05.340 It's kind of always been my type.

03:36:07.720 All right.

03:36:08.360 There you have it.

03:36:08.880 We have anonymous.

03:36:09.800 Brian, show this to the ladies.

03:36:11.260 Hey, anonymous, unfortunately, um, we're not really, uh, not really a thing here for, for people to submit video reactions.

03:36:18.940 We don't really have the, uh, I mean, yeah.

03:36:22.160 Maybe someday we'll have, we'll offer a different tier for that, but I do appreciate your message, but we cannot, uh, just show randomly submitted videos.

03:36:30.460 But thank you, man.

03:36:31.160 Um, going back to you, you said you had some beef.

03:36:35.320 You got some beef with Andrew.

03:36:36.400 Why don't you get into that?

03:36:37.160 What are your, uh, quarrels and grievances and disagreements?

03:36:40.880 Go ahead.

03:36:42.280 Well, I think Andrew Wilson is a very smart man, and I enjoy listening to his debates.

03:36:48.360 One bone to pick with him is his treatment of women who are born again.

03:36:55.700 Um, in my experience, it sort of seems like you are extra harsh on them.

03:37:01.940 And what I would think is that if you wanted the world to be less degenerate, that you would sort of welcome people wanting to change their ways.

03:37:11.280 So I'm just curious what your motive is in being so harsh, and I'd love to hear about it.

03:37:19.340 Andrew, before you answer, can you just, for, for the panel and then for the viewers, um, do you tell me for your OCD?

03:37:27.140 Yes, right here.

03:37:27.940 I'm framed up.

03:37:28.680 No, no, no, no.

03:37:29.060 That's not, um, just, uh,

03:37:31.860 Can you just give a rundown?

03:37:33.160 So your, your denomination of Christianity?

03:37:36.340 Yeah, I'm, uh, Eastern Orthodox Christian.

03:37:39.380 Um, I, I'm not a, uh, not a Protestant.

03:37:42.960 I'm happy to get into this, though, right?

03:37:45.660 Because I think that that's a, uh, seemingly fair criticism on its face.

03:37:50.660 But as you've seen from, can we agree on a couple of things first, though?

03:37:54.580 You've seen from tonight's panel, I basically only give out the same energy that I get.

03:37:59.160 Is that, is that a fair thing to say?

03:38:01.860 Um, you'd have to elaborate on that more.

03:38:06.240 Meaning, unless you're being particularly hostile towards me, I'm not particularly hostile towards you.

03:38:11.820 I don't actually agree with that.

03:38:14.420 I mean.

03:38:15.000 Have I been, have I been particularly hostile with you?

03:38:17.920 Not with me, but I think that you.

03:38:20.640 With who?

03:38:20.940 I've noticed you being particularly hostile to this woman, and I've noticed you being particularly hostile.

03:38:27.060 How was I, uh, how was I hostile with her?

03:38:29.380 I thought that we had a good back and forth engagement.

03:38:31.900 I think that once you make your point, you keep going.

03:38:35.080 Hang on, hang on.

03:38:36.100 Let me finish.

03:38:37.060 I treat her exactly how I would treat any man who was sitting where she was who had a contrary opinion to my own.

03:38:44.000 Sure.

03:38:44.400 Did I treat her differently than that?

03:38:47.920 No.

03:38:49.780 Okay.

03:38:50.420 So then by your logic then, it's not just born again women who I would be, uh, brutal with in a debate, but also men, correct?

03:38:59.940 True.

03:39:00.820 Yeah.

03:39:01.340 So I'm just going to treat both exactly the same.

03:39:03.640 Yes.

03:39:03.920 Right?

03:39:04.400 Mm-hmm.

03:39:04.640 Okay.

03:39:05.600 So go ahead with the rest of your criticism.

03:39:07.520 Just want to make sure we get this, uh, squared out.

03:39:11.060 Well, I'm just, what I'm curious about is your intention when you come on and you, like, what is wrong with a woman deciding that what she was doing was wrong and she wants to change her ways?

03:39:23.560 I haven't heard it on this panel tonight, but on a lot of the whatever podcasts, that's what I hear.

03:39:28.740 Like, there were a couple girls sitting here, you know, and you, I don't know what's wrong with them deciding that they don't want to do what they're doing anymore.

03:39:38.760 And I don't know what kind of resume you have to have for you to not mock them.

03:39:43.980 Nothing's wrong with that.

03:39:45.280 Then why are you still mocking them?

03:39:48.560 No.

03:39:48.720 Well, okay, so I need you to try to separate two different, two different things going on.

03:39:53.780 Okay.

03:39:54.180 So I believe that culture is downwind of theology and politics is downwind of, of culture.

03:40:01.340 So I think that politics is informed by the culture and the culture is informed by theology.

03:40:05.520 So imagine to my chagrin, if you have women who will take Christianity and fuck it all up and twist it all up and mess it all up in order to appeal to other women and give them incorrect theology and then preach that incorrect theology.

03:40:23.160 And so we end up tangling in a theological debate where they say all sorts of crazy shit like this, for instance.

03:40:29.520 Yes, it's okay if you play with tarot cards and you're a Christian or alternatively, yes, it's okay to be a magic user and a Christian or alternatively, yes, there's no, you know, you were a prostitute, but that's very similar to people smoking cigarettes.

03:40:46.600 You can imagine my chagrin hearing that from these women because it seems like they're trying to placate other women into bringing them into a false faith, which I think apostatizing is worse, worse than anything else.

03:41:01.700 So I think coming into false Christianity is almost as bad as the degeneracy itself.

03:41:07.700 Okay, that's a great answer.

03:41:09.300 What I would say back to you is that the way that you argue, it doesn't seem like you have a lot of love.

03:41:18.380 It doesn't seem like it's coming from love.

03:41:20.420 Like there was one woman.

03:41:22.260 Not coming from love.

03:41:22.940 It's coming from logic.

03:41:24.280 I don't make argumentations based on my emotions.

03:41:27.180 But Christ's law is in love.

03:41:27.700 I mean, is man for law or is law for man?

03:41:31.400 There was one woman who was here and she turned around.

03:41:35.140 Will you let me finish, please?

03:41:36.140 She turned around and said that she didn't want to do her old ways anymore.

03:41:40.840 She had already come so far.

03:41:42.640 She had a husband.

03:41:43.520 She had a ministry.

03:41:44.620 And you were on here like getting on her about law.

03:41:48.500 Did you say she had a ministry?

03:41:50.120 Yeah.

03:41:50.840 And that's what you were getting on her about.

03:41:52.380 Hang on.

03:41:52.420 I just want to be sure I'm clear.

03:41:53.580 That's what you were getting on her about.

03:41:55.320 Hang on.

03:41:55.720 Stop.

03:41:56.060 Stop.

03:41:56.400 My turn now.

03:41:57.260 Did you say she had a ministry?

03:41:59.220 Of women.

03:42:00.560 Yeah.

03:42:00.900 Are women allowed to have ministries?

03:42:03.320 That's what you say.

03:42:04.780 But I don't agree with that.

03:42:06.760 Right.

03:42:07.160 You don't agree with that.

03:42:08.340 You're preaching a false doctrine.

03:42:10.140 You want women to be clergy.

03:42:11.820 You want women to be women inside of a...

03:42:14.540 Hang on.

03:42:14.960 Let me finish.

03:42:15.840 Inside of a patriarchal...

03:42:18.180 Okay.

03:42:18.520 You tell me when I'm allowed to respond to your points.

03:42:20.660 Go ahead.

03:42:21.260 Okay.

03:42:21.600 I think that when you preach out of this intent to mock women, I mean, your base is men.

03:42:32.980 I feel like when you come on these things, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels

03:42:37.720 like your intent is to mock women for these comments.

03:42:42.540 And I don't see how that is helping the world be better.

03:42:47.140 I understand what you're saying, that you don't want women with a false doctrine, but

03:42:51.860 at the same time, it just seems like it's not coming from love, that you are, like, women

03:42:57.380 want to turn away from porn or turn away from, like, what they've been doing.

03:43:01.300 And you are, like, berating them.

03:43:03.880 You're criticizing them.

03:43:05.000 You're making it, like, you're embarrassing them and making it hard for other women who

03:43:09.600 are maybe viewing this to turn their own ways.

03:43:13.280 And to me, that's making degeneracy grow.

03:43:18.000 Like, you are enabling this hate women sort of mentality, in my opinion.

03:43:23.200 That's how it comes off to a woman watching the show.

03:43:26.220 It's like you are not able to turn away from what you want to turn from.

03:43:32.360 Can I add to that?

03:43:33.400 And I don't want to, like, be judgmental.

03:43:34.840 No, you can't add to that because we're in the middle of having a conversation.

03:43:37.660 And then you can add to it.

03:43:38.900 So am I allowed to respond to these points now?

03:43:43.280 Now, can you admit that I did not interrupt you at all while you were going through that?

03:43:49.060 Great.

03:43:49.620 So let's go through it one at a time.

03:43:51.460 One, that's just tone policing.

03:43:53.380 You never made a single argument.

03:43:55.080 Why do I want people to come into a false faith?

03:43:57.560 Why do I want that?

03:43:58.420 That's bad.

03:43:59.300 Not only that, but let us assume for a second that you don't know my end of it, how many

03:44:04.180 people reach out to me after these shows who are women who say, thank you for challenging

03:44:10.240 my worldview, I never thought of things like that at all, or I know I got demolished, or

03:44:14.660 how many hundreds of women send me DMs outside of this show who say it's due to your argumentation,

03:44:19.900 your logical argumentation that I came over to this.

03:44:22.460 You're making arguments which are appealing to emotion.

03:44:26.440 You're saying emotionally, when I hear what you say, it emotionally makes me feel bad.

03:44:30.940 Well, that's great, but I need you to understand that I don't give a shit how it makes you feel.

03:44:35.080 What I care about is what is logically true and consistent, and what I care about is the

03:44:40.540 arguments.

03:44:41.580 You might say, so for instance, imagine this.

03:44:45.640 You would agree with me that there's going to be a lot more Christians if we include

03:44:48.720 homosexuals into Christianity, right?

03:44:52.080 I don't know.

03:44:53.120 I wasn't brought up in church.

03:44:54.300 I don't know.

03:44:55.060 Okay, but you would agree that if you had a church which barred homosexuals, and then

03:44:59.320 the church allowed homosexuals in, that you would have a lot more?

03:45:02.500 Andrew, avoid that topic if you can.

03:45:04.180 Okay.

03:45:06.360 Could I respond to what you said?

03:45:08.220 If it was people of the same sex, if you let more of them in, right, you would agree

03:45:15.760 that you would have a much larger congregation, right?

03:45:19.420 But you can't allow people to defeat what the purpose of the religion is because they

03:45:25.620 choose not to wake up one day and go, I'm not going to be a prostitute anymore.

03:45:29.140 And then I need you to respond to my last point, and this is the one that I really want you

03:45:34.360 to focus on.

03:45:35.880 There's a lot of women who utilize Christianity and the faith of Christianity to hide behind,

03:45:42.140 and they become reformed not because they have found Christ at all, but because they

03:45:47.480 use Christianity as a shield from criticism.

03:45:50.540 And that, I believe, is where most of the tone policing from women comes from.

03:45:54.240 That you're utilizing tone policing to say, no, you're not allowed to criticize me now

03:45:58.640 because I've turned away from my degenerate ways.

03:46:01.060 No, that's not the purpose of Christianity either, is that now suddenly you're above criticism.

03:46:05.780 That's not how that works.

03:46:06.680 Yeah, I know about your stance on tone.

03:46:13.080 I know about that.

03:46:14.000 And that's not actually what offends me.

03:46:16.480 What offends me is actually your use of the law against women because I don't think that,

03:46:23.000 like that woman who was here, who had been born again, and she had gone such a long ways,

03:46:33.560 and you were, it doesn't matter the way you say it.

03:46:36.460 Like, I know how your stance on tone, so it's fine by me.

03:46:40.100 But you were saying that she was somehow not worthy of being who she was because she was

03:46:47.080 teaching other women.

03:46:49.380 I don't think you said that.

03:46:50.660 That's right.

03:46:51.060 So let me respond to both of these points.

03:46:53.840 Point one, she can't teach other women because women can't be clergy in Christianity.

03:46:59.000 Two, she made it a point that niceness was a Christian, a part of Christian doctrine,

03:47:04.640 and it's not, and it never has been.

03:47:06.800 And I pointed out that this is not a Christian virtue.

03:47:09.460 She's teaching falsely.

03:47:11.220 Women cannot be clergy in Christianity, period.

03:47:14.840 They're not allowed to be clergy, period.

03:47:17.000 Never.

03:47:17.800 Not even once.

03:47:19.460 They're not allowed to even once.

03:47:20.920 You can't be like, oh, we're just funning.

03:47:23.320 We just made one for the fun of it.

03:47:25.220 But even if the results of it, you could argue the results or the consequences of this

03:47:30.200 might be better in some way, it doesn't matter.

03:47:33.380 The purpose of the religion is not that the consequences are always good.

03:47:37.440 That's not the purpose of the religion.

03:47:39.220 I understand.

03:47:40.300 So I do know that that's backed up biblically.

03:47:43.080 And I'd also like to say that in 1 Timothy, it says,

03:47:47.060 treat older women like your mothers and treat younger women like they're your sisters with purity.

03:47:51.740 And I'm wondering, where do you follow the law on that?

03:47:55.640 Well, so, yeah, let's dive into this.

03:47:58.400 When we're talking about matrons, you're talking about Paul in this case.

03:48:02.780 And I quote this quite a bit myself.

03:48:04.660 And when you're talking about matrons and how matrons are supposed to teach,

03:48:07.700 they're supposed to teach from a position of a pure heart to only women.

03:48:13.660 They're not supposed to have a ministry.

03:48:15.040 Ministry would imply both.

03:48:16.920 It's okay for matrons to give matronly wisdom.

03:48:18.860 That woman said it was women.

03:48:20.280 Hang on, let me finish.

03:48:20.860 I'm answering the question.

03:48:22.320 It's okay for matrons to give matronly wisdom.

03:48:26.060 But they're not allowed to teach the gospel.

03:48:28.900 They're not allowed to do that.

03:48:30.140 That's not their place.

03:48:31.260 They're not allowed to be clergy.

03:48:32.760 Well, why are you allowed to not treat women with respect?

03:48:36.420 Almost done.

03:48:37.040 Almost done.

03:48:37.680 Didn't cut you off.

03:48:38.640 Almost done.

03:48:39.160 If she was just talking to her daughter about the gospel, things like this, fine.

03:48:45.960 But saying, I'm a minister, I'm a part of clergy, and teach women as a part of a church clergy is wrong.

03:48:53.360 Period.

03:48:53.980 It's wrong across the board.

03:48:55.120 It's wrong theology.

03:48:55.500 Okay, I disagree.

03:48:57.540 Do you know what's also wrong?

03:48:59.380 Smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol, which you've been doing the whole time.

03:49:03.040 You know, if we're going to talk about Paul.

03:49:03.780 Why is that wrong?

03:49:04.280 Because your body is a temple.

03:49:06.940 Your body is a temple.

03:49:08.300 Oh, yeah?

03:49:08.720 Where is that said in the Bible?

03:49:09.800 It is said in the Bible.

03:49:11.400 And you're ruining your temple.

03:49:12.480 Where does it say it?

03:49:13.120 And it does say you're not supposed to get drunk because you're going to make...

03:49:16.240 Am I drunk?

03:49:16.940 I'm not.

03:49:17.400 I'm just saying you're drinking alcohol and you're smoking cigarettes.

03:49:19.240 You're ruining your temple.

03:49:20.200 And is drinking alcohol a problem?

03:49:21.420 No, I'm just saying if you're going to talk about Christianity...

03:49:23.180 No, drinking alcohol is not a problem.

03:49:24.780 Okay, so then why did you bring it up as being a problem from a Christian perspective?

03:49:27.680 Getting drunk is any kind of culture key.

03:49:30.420 Am I drunk?

03:49:31.420 I don't know.

03:49:31.920 Are you?

03:49:32.420 Well, let's see.

03:49:33.100 I'm just saying if you're going to judge...

03:49:35.380 We've been at the show for five hours.

03:49:37.040 If you're going to judge...

03:49:38.300 Do you think I'm drunk?

03:49:39.440 I don't know.

03:49:39.760 But if you're going to judge, then you have to get judgment back.

03:49:43.700 And that's fine.

03:49:44.760 And a good Christian actually doesn't judge.

03:49:46.500 So you have judged...

03:49:46.960 Hang on.

03:49:47.500 Hang on.

03:49:47.840 So you have judged that Christians are not allowed to drink alcohol.

03:49:50.800 Is that correct?

03:49:51.700 That's not what I'm saying at all.

03:49:52.880 I'm just saying you can't say that you're so...

03:49:55.100 So you can't say that you're so righteous if you're sinning as well.

03:49:59.560 And sins are the same in the Bible.

03:50:00.880 Tell me why I can't drink.

03:50:02.220 Tell me why I can't drink.

03:50:03.800 One sec.

03:50:04.140 Why?

03:50:05.000 Tell me why.

03:50:05.860 The truth is what matters.

03:50:08.300 She was calling herself a pastor, which is not possible, and a lie.

03:50:12.680 A lie is a sin.

03:50:14.200 Teaching from a place of lies furthers the sin.

03:50:18.900 Tell me...

03:50:19.560 So tell me where...

03:50:21.500 Tell me why I'm not allowed to drink beer while I'm doing a podcast.

03:50:24.960 Tell me why that's sinful.

03:50:26.520 Tell me why that's wrong.

03:50:27.620 Go ahead.

03:50:28.920 You can do whatever you want, and I'm not judging you.

03:50:31.100 Nobody's perfect.

03:50:31.620 No, that's not what I asked you.

03:50:32.580 I think what he's trying to say, if you're ruining your temple, which is God's body for you, right?

03:50:38.020 So do I ruin my temple when I eat a donut?

03:50:40.180 Just like a prostitute is ruining her body.

03:50:43.060 It's the same thing.

03:50:43.960 A sin is a sin.

03:50:44.680 It says in the Old Testament, right?

03:50:46.600 They are equal sins.

03:50:47.860 Lying, stealing.

03:50:49.100 Am I allowed to eat a donut?

03:50:50.340 Technically, no.

03:50:51.080 It's bad for your body.

03:50:52.140 No, I'm not allowed to eat a donut.

03:50:53.380 Am I allowed to breathe oxygen?

03:50:54.940 I mean, you have to.

03:50:55.420 Because that decays my body over time.

03:50:57.500 But if you're talking about putting, like, high fructose corn syrup and all those bad things in your body, it is technically a sin because it is your temple.

03:51:04.220 I'm not saying we're perfect, but I'm just calling you out.

03:51:07.180 I'm calling you out.

03:51:07.280 I need to go off what she's saying.

03:51:08.820 I want to make sure.

03:51:09.260 Hang on.

03:51:09.700 Hang on.

03:51:10.020 Stop.

03:51:10.660 Now you know.

03:51:11.580 Now, if you want to know why it is I'm so hard on these women, now you know.

03:51:15.200 Because this woman next to you just told me that it's sinful to drink.

03:51:18.620 She couldn't back it up.

03:51:20.060 She did make an actual.

03:51:21.840 It is sinful to drink.

03:51:23.040 Hang on.

03:51:23.520 Stop.

03:51:23.960 My turn now.

03:51:24.520 She didn't make an actual biblical appeal, but she didn't know where it was.

03:51:28.040 She just heard it in passing.

03:51:29.740 On top of that, she said, I can't drink a Coke.

03:51:31.980 I can't eat a donut.

03:51:33.360 Right?

03:51:33.720 I can't do anything.

03:51:35.080 Apparently, Christians aren't allowed to do anything because if we eat a donut, that's like sucking a hundred dicks like a prostitute.

03:51:42.680 Right?

03:51:43.020 That is not what I said.

03:51:44.680 That's not what I said.

03:51:45.960 I'm literally where did that come from.

03:51:47.900 Yeah.

03:51:48.060 Well, isn't that an entailment?

03:51:49.800 I'm sorry.

03:51:50.200 Isn't that an entailment?

03:51:51.120 Isn't sucking a hundred penises like me eating a donut?

03:51:53.980 Go ahead.

03:51:54.260 Well, I think what she's trying to say, which she can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what she's trying to say is that everybody has all these like sins, whether they're hidden or not.

03:52:02.180 Okay.

03:52:02.640 Like breaking a Coke?

03:52:03.680 I'm not saying what you're doing is a sin.

03:52:05.580 I don't know you.

03:52:06.540 You know, I don't know what in the context of it.

03:52:08.460 I'm just saying.

03:52:08.880 You can't tell me what I'm doing is a sin or not.

03:52:10.800 You don't have judgment?

03:52:12.300 No.

03:52:12.500 You don't have discernment?

03:52:13.440 You can't discern what's a sin?

03:52:15.120 No.

03:52:15.340 Uh-uh, not in your life.

03:52:16.160 Then why should I take your word for anything when it comes to Christianity?

03:52:19.020 You can't even discern what's a sin.

03:52:20.460 It's between you and God, Andrew.

03:52:22.240 I'm not going to like, I'm not going to look into your life.

03:52:24.580 Yeah.

03:52:24.820 You can have whatever criticisms you have about me.

03:52:27.580 You know, that's fine.

03:52:28.760 All I'm saying is that.

03:52:30.120 Have I made any personal criticisms about you?

03:52:32.280 It seems like all the criticisms have to come from you guys to me.

03:52:35.680 What you just said was that you can't trust what I say about God.

03:52:38.860 And that's fine because like I said, I didn't.

03:52:40.500 That's not a personal criticism.

03:52:42.020 That's an entailment of your logic.

03:52:43.500 If you say, I cannot make any judgment on another person's sin, then you have told me that you cannot discern what is sin.

03:52:51.760 You are incapable of telling me what is sinful, so why would I ever listen to you?

03:52:55.920 For another person, for myself, I think I can tell for myself.

03:52:59.840 But I don't know, like, I don't know your whole grand scheme of things.

03:53:03.720 I think for some people, drinking could be a sin.

03:53:06.760 For some people, it could not.

03:53:07.800 I'm just saying, I don't think that I could adequately point at your sins, and I stand by that.

03:53:13.840 But this is a bit of a whataboutism about his drinking.

03:53:17.420 I do want to quickly bring it back to your point about, so you're a Christian, correct?

03:53:22.900 I am.

03:53:23.600 And so do you think that, do you think women can be pastors?

03:53:28.520 What's your denomination, by the way?

03:53:31.620 Are you Protestant?

03:53:32.680 Well, I did not, no, no, I did not grow up in church.

03:53:36.700 I grew up a different religion.

03:53:38.340 What's your denomination?

03:53:39.820 I do not have a denomination.

03:53:41.780 Yeah, right.

03:53:42.340 You're non-denominational.

03:53:43.500 All of you are always non-denominational.

03:53:45.200 Which is fine.

03:53:46.180 But so can women be pastors?

03:53:48.080 I, like, I don't know.

03:53:50.240 I, you know.

03:53:51.560 But I'm asking because you objected to his position, and biblically it would seem to indicate that women can't be pastors.

03:53:59.240 From a Christian worldview.

03:54:02.100 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

03:54:05.760 None of the things you have pointed out, ladies, are sins.

03:54:09.440 The crone you are referencing committed fetus deletus, which is an actual sin.

03:54:14.080 Why do you support such a person?

03:54:16.500 You ladies need to study.

03:54:18.660 You're wondering why these entanglements happen.

03:54:21.560 These entanglements happen because people try to tell me what's what when it comes to this.

03:54:26.320 That's fine.

03:54:26.820 You can.

03:54:27.880 But then you should expect an argument.

03:54:29.560 And you should expect me to argue in favor of my worldview, which, arguably, I can make an argument right now.

03:54:36.960 Even if I knew nothing else, I could tell you that somebody saying that me drinking a Coca-Cola or having a beer is similar to prostitution, they're insane.

03:54:47.280 That that's ludicrous on its face.

03:54:48.960 Well, I don't think that anybody here said that.

03:54:51.620 And I also.

03:54:52.120 Okay, well then, well then why can't I eat a donut?

03:54:54.600 I don't think that anybody here ever said that.

03:54:57.260 I think that we just.

03:54:58.100 He said, I can't eat a donut.

03:54:59.000 No, she's.

03:54:59.520 I'm going to tell you what she said.

03:55:00.820 She said, I can't eat a donut because it's polluting the temple.

03:55:03.260 Just like prostitutes are polluting the temple.

03:55:03.960 A pastor who said, if you drink, if you drink water when you're supposed to be worshiping the Lord, then drinking water could be a sin.

03:55:10.560 And I just want to ask you, Andrew, like seriously, I have a serious question for you.

03:55:15.860 Like, I know that you have problems with, everyone's going to have a lack of education in the beginning when they find Jesus.

03:55:22.120 But do you not want people to find Jesus?

03:55:24.220 Then why are they calling themselves pastors?

03:55:29.620 I'm not calling myself a pastor.

03:55:31.740 I'm saying, I don't know.

03:55:32.860 If they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

03:55:35.340 Why would you do that?

03:55:36.620 You think that if Jesus saw someone who said, I love God and I want to turn away from sin, he would be like, you don't know enough?

03:55:44.260 You mean Pharisees?

03:55:45.380 Yeah, he did it all the time.

03:55:47.340 No, he did not tell the Pharisees they didn't know enough.

03:55:49.780 He told them that what they were doing was corrupt.

03:55:51.600 He told, listen, I'm telling you right now that there's plenty of people who have false ministries who are running around saying they do.

03:55:59.740 There's been women on this panel who I've tangled with.

03:56:01.840 But you're not answering my question.

03:56:03.460 My question is.

03:56:03.760 I'm answering it directly.

03:56:05.160 No, you're not.

03:56:06.400 Yes, I am.

03:56:07.180 They've said directly to me that they have visions from God and that they're prophets of God.

03:56:12.920 I've heard that they've said it to me.

03:56:15.280 So, but that's still, my question is, what do you want?

03:56:19.880 What do you want?

03:56:20.940 Like, do you want women to be degenerate or do you want them to turn their ways?

03:56:25.260 What do you want?

03:56:26.720 Well, I'm sorry.

03:56:28.520 Again, I'm going to tell you, you can do both.

03:56:31.040 It's not a bifurcation.

03:56:32.380 It's not a, oh, I'm going to use Christianity as a shield while I preach a false gospel.

03:56:38.400 That's a bifurcation.

03:56:39.560 You can do both.

03:56:40.360 You can both not be a prostitute and be a real Christian.

03:56:43.140 Have you looked in the mirror, blonde, tubby?

03:56:45.640 Girl one, pull your jacket up, G2.

03:56:48.780 Let's make up.

03:56:49.460 The Bible is ambivalent towards alcohol, considering it both a blessing and potential danger from God.

03:56:56.420 I do need to.

03:56:57.600 Hey, Jeremy, thank you.

03:56:58.700 Hang on.

03:56:58.960 Let me finish this up, though.

03:57:00.400 Okay, quick point, though.

03:57:01.620 I'm almost done.

03:57:02.340 Okay.

03:57:02.440 Yeah, so anyway, so back to this.

03:57:05.740 You can do both.

03:57:07.180 But don't tell me that just because you turned away from degeneracy 15 years ago and now you have a ministry as a female that I'm not allowed to tangle with you theologically because I never was a prostitute.

03:57:17.860 I don't get to say I was never a prostitute, so now I'm above criticism.

03:57:21.660 But you're telling me that because they have stopped being prostitutes, now they're above me criticizing their theology.

03:57:27.900 That's absurd.

03:57:28.940 I don't think they're above you criticizing their theology.

03:57:33.100 I just think that the way that you approach them from an outside standpoint, someone watching the podcast, it comes off hateful.

03:57:42.020 It comes off hateful.

03:57:43.600 That's just what I'm saying.

03:57:44.460 If you're talking about your emotional state, you'd have to talk to the thousands of people who it doesn't come off hateful to, but rather would prefer to see these people confronted because nobody's ever confronted them.

03:57:54.840 And they get to just basically run around, do whatever the hell they want.

03:57:57.900 There's never any ideological pushback at all.

03:58:01.240 So what you're saying, but I just want you to let you know that this is what I hear.

03:58:05.340 What I hear is, but they're not prostitutes anymore.

03:58:08.880 So isn't that good enough?

03:58:11.100 Yet, yet, interestingly enough, where's my extra credit for never having been a prostitute?

03:58:17.280 I don't get any, and yet my theology can still be criticized.

03:58:20.960 Isn't that interesting?

03:58:22.140 But theirs can't be because they stopped sucking dick a few years ago.

03:58:26.280 It's ridiculous.

03:58:27.960 I think that you have fair game to criticize them.

03:58:30.960 I think that that's totally fine.

03:58:32.460 I've never been a prostitute either.

03:58:33.920 All I'm saying is that I think for the health and well-being of the world, it would be great to be more welcoming to those people.

03:58:41.180 That's all I'm saying.

03:58:41.900 If you want to turn away, I think it's a great thing.

03:58:44.420 Turn away.

03:58:45.040 That's all I'm saying.

03:58:46.660 Yeah, that's a great first step.

03:58:49.040 But that doesn't mean that now all criticism gets to fly by night.

03:58:53.660 It doesn't mean that you get to pull a Nala and do a, oh, I'm done with the OnlyFans.

03:58:59.020 Well, that's fantastic.

03:58:59.960 But when people say, okay, but where's the compensation to the thousands that you've wronged?

03:59:04.620 How are you going to make amends for these horrific things that you did, which even a court would have an expectation that you paid compensation for people you victimized?

03:59:13.180 And yet somehow they can use this as a shield from criticism.

03:59:16.560 Whereas those who've never engaged in such horrific activity get no additional credit for never having engaged in it.

03:59:23.500 It's ridiculous.

03:59:24.600 That is ridiculous.

03:59:27.080 Got to move things on.

03:59:27.860 We have G.R. Gracie, ladies, if certain segment of society predictably make logical decisions primarily based on the motions, is the world better off if that segment of society chooses its leaders slash laws?

03:59:44.200 Is the world better off if that segment of society chooses its, wait.

03:59:47.160 Certain segment of society predictably make illogical decisions based on the motions.

03:59:54.920 Is the world better off if that segment of society chooses its leaders and laws?

03:59:59.080 Just busy sitting over here.

04:00:00.920 He's got a cookie?

04:00:01.560 My wife made these delicious cookies for me.

04:00:04.180 Get a donut, Andrew.

04:00:05.160 You need a donut.

04:00:05.780 Well, it's horrific.

04:00:07.400 I'm going to wash it down with a beer, too.

04:00:09.340 I mean, how dare I eat a cookie and drink a beer and criticize a prostitute?

04:00:13.420 Can I say something on that?

04:00:15.060 I mean, I really need to pull the plank out of my own eye here.

04:00:18.300 You degenerate.

04:00:19.560 Go ahead.

04:00:21.060 Okay.

04:00:21.340 All I'm saying is they, I don't know who they is, the devil, is trying to keep you enslaved, right?

04:00:27.280 So the more things that you're doing in your life that are going to keep you in a low vibrational, whether it's eating sugar, drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, those types of things are going to keep you in a low vibration.

04:00:39.840 And you're not going to be able to get closer to God when you're in that state.

04:00:43.420 I got to move on.

04:00:43.880 That's why Mormons don't allow you to have caffeine, right?

04:00:47.720 Should we be at 96.8 hertz for our vibration?

04:00:50.220 And I'm not trying to sound like a new age hippie at all.

04:00:52.880 I'm just saying that alcohol definitely brings you down to the third dimension, right?

04:01:00.000 The third dimension?

04:01:01.420 How many dimensions are there?

04:01:03.200 I don't know.

04:01:04.240 Erroneous!

04:01:04.720 I haven't been there.

04:01:05.860 Erroneous!

04:01:06.620 All right.

04:01:07.000 Let me move it on.

04:01:07.840 My point is you're not going to be able to get closer.

04:01:10.300 You're not allowed to criticize theology, Andrew.

04:01:12.660 After all, drinking beer brings you down to the third dimension, right?

04:01:16.260 You're not going to be able to get closer to God doing those things.

04:01:19.640 Okay.

04:01:19.860 I know.

04:01:20.400 I'll be down to the third dimension.

04:01:22.880 Just give me quick answers on this one.

04:01:25.540 If a certain segment of society predictably make illogical decisions, primarily based on

04:01:29.900 the motions, is the world better off if that segment of society chooses its leaders and

04:01:34.820 laws?

04:01:35.620 If you're talking about if women should vote, I obviously think women should vote.

04:01:40.580 I'll know if that's what the question is asking, but you can take it however you want.

04:01:43.720 You can take it however you want.

04:01:45.820 I'm going to choose to take it not in the context of women and say, why would we let a bunch of

04:01:51.240 toddlers run the world?

04:01:52.460 We wouldn't.

04:01:53.080 So, no.

04:01:54.180 I think a lot of people still vote emotionally or chooses their leaders based on emotions

04:01:58.420 and things.

04:02:00.020 So, no, I'd say don't let them vote as well.

04:02:04.000 Well, the question is, is the world better off if they get to choose who the leaders are

04:02:11.260 and what the laws are?

04:02:12.640 They already do.

04:02:14.360 Everyone's allowed to vote, so I don't think that relationship is higher.

04:02:17.520 Go ahead.

04:02:17.820 Go ahead.

04:02:18.080 Go ahead.

04:02:18.360 I think anybody affected by the law should be able to vote for the law.

04:02:22.940 Yeah.

04:02:23.200 Anyone under the law should vote for the law.

04:02:25.660 I agree.

04:02:26.300 Everyone should vote.

04:02:27.420 The world would not be better and they should not.

04:02:30.400 I agree.

04:02:31.200 The world would not be a better place.

04:02:33.020 I think people should vote more logically, not emotionally.

04:02:36.320 For those of you who said whoever's impacted by the law should be able to have a say, do

04:02:42.460 you guys think that since women are in the privileged position of not being subject to

04:02:46.540 forced military conscription, that they should not be able to vote on matters that have to

04:02:50.940 do with any sort of scenario, voting for a war, for example, to go to war, since women

04:03:00.300 are not subject to forced military conscription.

04:03:03.340 What do you say to that?

04:03:06.000 Yeah.

04:03:06.480 I feel like you should still be able to vote because it's like politicians deciding, making

04:03:10.600 laws for us civilians who have to go to public education.

04:03:14.400 They didn't have to go to public education.

04:03:15.920 Their kids don't have to go to public education.

04:03:16.620 Not really answering my question, but so do you think female politicians should be able

04:03:21.920 to vote to, let's say, to vote to have a draft?

04:03:26.940 Yeah.

04:03:27.560 It doesn't seem to be a question.

04:03:27.860 Even though the draft, only men are subject to forced military conscription.

04:03:31.060 Constructions already make laws that have nothing to do with them.

04:03:33.760 People vote on them that have nothing to do with them.

04:03:35.620 So, yes, it doesn't really make a difference.

04:03:37.560 Okay.

04:03:38.560 All right.

04:03:39.940 Trying to think where we were.

04:03:41.620 Can I say one thing?

04:03:42.920 Go ahead.

04:03:43.440 I think everyone should be drafted.

04:03:47.400 Everyone should be subject to military conscription.

04:03:49.220 Subject to military, yes.

04:03:49.920 Okay.

04:03:52.240 Everyone's going to war.

04:03:54.720 So, Gina, you said, I mean, you kind of already talked about this.

04:03:57.660 You said your primary disagreement with Andrew is that you said you disagree with much of

04:04:03.500 what Andrew Wilson says and the way he says it.

04:04:06.200 I think the tone argument, Andrew, I think you've already addressed it, correct?

04:04:10.260 Mm-hmm.

04:04:11.080 It's not just what I say.

04:04:13.380 It's how you say it.

04:04:14.100 It's how I say it.

04:04:14.900 Yeah.

04:04:15.260 And since I wrote that, I actually watched Andrew's thing about his tone.

04:04:19.100 And I'm fine with Andrew's tone.

04:04:20.660 He can do what he wants.

04:04:21.560 I still disagree with what he says.

04:04:22.920 Uh, so you disagreed with the component of what he said about when it came to women

04:04:29.280 being able to be part of the clergy under Christianity?

04:04:32.120 No, I, I don't, I don't have, like, I'm not a clergy, so I don't have a fully informed

04:04:37.080 opinion about that.

04:04:37.760 Do you think it's, do you think it's like kind of a sexist Christian worldview for women

04:04:41.340 to not be allowed to be clergy?

04:04:42.780 I mean, I'd love for him to change my opinion on it, but I've been like looking at it in

04:04:47.320 preparation for coming here and thinking about submission.

04:04:50.160 And I, I don't really understand it, to be honest.

04:04:53.400 Don't understand women being barred from being clergy?

04:04:57.000 Especially over other women.

04:04:58.400 Like if they could help other women, I don't under, I don't understand that.

04:05:01.620 Well, I think he said that they can.

04:05:02.240 Look, I'm not really an expert on this topic, but.

04:05:04.900 Neither am I.

04:05:06.080 I'm just trying to clarify here.

04:05:07.800 Uh, but so you do take issue with the clergy thing.

04:05:10.780 I don't understand why a woman would not be able to be in clergy.

04:05:14.340 Well, I think it's because the Bible says it.

04:05:16.380 Well, I love the verse.

04:05:18.220 Can I hear the verse?

04:05:19.120 Here we go.

04:05:19.140 First Timothy.

04:05:19.620 Okay, let's hear the verse.

04:05:20.480 I do not allow women to teach or exercise authority over men, but to remain quiet.

04:05:24.920 For it was Adam who first created, then Eve.

04:05:28.040 Not only that, but of course we have, oh, I don't know, about 2,000 years of church history,

04:05:33.480 which expresses that women are not allowed to be in clergy.

04:05:37.760 Not only that, but even Protestants who aren't part of traditional, who aren't part of traditional

04:05:42.780 Christianity.

04:05:44.060 Also, many Protestant sects bar them from being clergy.

04:05:47.280 They're not allowed to be clergy.

04:05:48.500 They're not allowed to teach men.

04:05:50.400 They must submit and obey.

04:05:53.680 That's the part that you guys on that side of the real good, feel good, good vibrations

04:05:58.900 Christianity don't like.

04:06:00.640 Gives you third dimensional, fourth dimensional bad vibes when patriarchal Christian authority

04:06:06.260 comes out and is like, nah, you got to sit down and shut up because it's not your

04:06:10.700 place to teach.

04:06:11.540 They can make some real madsies right in their fields.

04:06:15.260 Not really.

04:06:15.880 Not me.

04:06:16.420 I've just never experienced a man that did that.

04:06:18.840 Like I don't, I didn't grow up in church and I don't, I know a lot of women who are great

04:06:23.940 leaders and teach other people.

04:06:25.180 So I'm just confused.

04:06:26.740 Like I get the law.

04:06:28.200 That's the Bible.

04:06:29.000 Which ones, which women are great leaders who lead other people?

04:06:32.020 I'm curious.

04:06:32.660 Can you name one that I would know?

04:06:34.520 Name one.

04:06:35.360 My bosses aren't famous.

04:06:36.720 They do what?

04:06:37.740 My bosses aren't famous, but they're amazing leaders and they run the whole place.

04:06:42.060 So I don't really see it in my personal life.

04:06:45.160 What is it?

04:06:46.220 I mean, I can't, I can't compete with your bosses, right?

04:06:49.140 Cause I don't know who they are.

04:06:50.120 How about just naming one that I would know who's a great leader, who's famous name a famous

04:06:55.360 woman who you think is a great leader for me since there's so many of them.

04:07:00.060 Go ahead.

04:07:00.520 I would say gold in my ear, Angela Merkel, my ear was a great leader.

04:07:06.920 She was the first female prime minister of Israel and I think she was a great leader.

04:07:12.140 I think what was one policy that she passed?

04:07:16.400 She passed the policy to help women gain their rights in Israel.

04:07:20.120 So it is a feminist policy, which I know you're against.

04:07:23.640 I can't name it.

04:07:25.360 Yeah.

04:07:25.620 You don't know.

04:07:26.220 You don't know anything about her other than she just happens to be some leader in Israel.

04:07:30.800 Angela Merkel was mentioned, terrible leader, absolutely opened up the floodgates for immigration

04:07:36.100 into the EU, terrible leader, was at the forefront of trying to rage against what would later

04:07:42.020 become Brexit as well.

04:07:43.760 Terrible leader.

04:07:44.900 So I don't know.

04:07:45.760 Where are all these great female leaders?

04:07:47.760 I'd like to know.

04:07:48.320 Well, they're in my personal life.

04:07:50.100 Like, are you supposed to say that the people in my personal life don't matter?

04:07:52.800 Let me move this on a little bit.

04:07:54.880 Is there anything else besides the clergy thing that you disagree with?

04:07:57.700 Well, I'd love for, like, I don't, I just, I mean, maybe it's a personal off camera

04:08:04.380 subject, but I just, I still, I'm just not convinced.

04:08:08.120 I just don't understand.

04:08:09.580 About what?

04:08:10.260 Why women can't be clergy.

04:08:13.200 Okay.

04:08:13.500 Besides that.

04:08:14.160 I just told you.

04:08:14.620 Besides that.

04:08:15.060 I just told you.

04:08:15.840 The entirety of the church bars them from it.

04:08:17.920 Well, you said, you're putting it in examples that are.

04:08:19.540 I just read you the letter between Timothy and Paul, where he was instructed that women

04:08:23.160 must shut up and not teach.

04:08:25.300 That is not their place ever.

04:08:27.120 I understand.

04:08:27.780 Those are ancient times.

04:08:29.200 But also, what about women who are teachers?

04:08:31.780 Like, why should they shut up?

04:08:33.920 Okay.

04:08:34.600 You're shifting the goalposts.

04:08:36.520 You're shifting the goalposts.

04:08:37.660 Women can teach kindergartners.

04:08:39.440 They can teach high schoolers.

04:08:40.880 Nobody's saying that they can't.

04:08:42.100 We're talking about church.

04:08:42.440 They just can't teach adults.

04:08:44.180 No, he's talking about church.

04:08:45.720 No, the gospel.

04:08:46.240 Church.

04:08:46.940 Yeah.

04:08:47.120 Yeah.

04:08:47.500 I still think that women are able to teach it.

04:08:50.940 Teach.

04:08:51.740 But it's.

04:08:52.340 I understand.

04:08:53.040 If the Bible says X.

04:08:54.740 If the Bible says X.

04:08:55.740 In the Bible, it says we're supposed to sacrifice animals.

04:08:59.200 I don't know.

04:09:00.120 Is this the Old Testament?

04:09:00.740 Yes, it does.

04:09:01.420 In Exodus, it says you're supposed to sacrifice animals.

04:09:04.640 Do you think that we're Jewish?

04:09:06.720 Because we're not Jewish.

04:09:07.840 We're Christians.

04:09:08.640 I'm Jewish.

04:09:08.980 That would be the opposite of Jewish.

04:09:10.460 We're not Jewish.

04:09:11.240 We don't sacrifice animals.

04:09:12.900 We follow the New Testament.

04:09:14.360 It's the New Testament.

04:09:14.880 We do not follow the Old Testament.

04:09:16.100 That is Old Testament, right, Andrew?

04:09:17.880 But in my opinion, that's cherry picking.

04:09:20.500 That's cherry picking.

04:09:21.380 You're saying the Bible.

04:09:22.520 Hold on.

04:09:23.140 Hold on just a second here.

04:09:25.200 Yo, stay safe.

04:09:25.940 Thank you for the raid, brother.

04:09:26.880 Appreciate it.

04:09:27.480 Hope you had a good stream.

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04:09:37.480 Really quick, guys.

04:09:38.960 Twitch.tv slash whatever.

04:09:40.960 Yo, stay safe.

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04:09:51.780 We are talking about dating a World of Warcraft player.

04:09:56.540 You know, what's the best, like, you know, the BIS, the BIS list for, like, dating.

04:10:01.440 And we're talking about BIS.

04:10:03.180 You know, we were talking about, like, the best.

04:10:06.360 I'm not going to go there.

04:10:07.160 But okay.

04:10:08.140 All right.

04:10:08.580 Thank you.

04:10:08.920 Stay safe.

04:10:09.300 Appreciate it, man.

04:10:10.220 Okay.

04:10:10.640 Do you have any other criticisms besides?

04:10:12.960 So just real quick to clarify, you can point to Abrahamic religions.

04:10:17.240 Judaism is a different religion than Christianity.

04:10:20.220 Muslims are a different religion than Christianity.

04:10:22.480 They're not the same religion.

04:10:24.040 When you reference the Old Testament alone, you're taking away the entirety of the New Covenant.

04:10:28.780 It has nothing to do with Jesus was the final sacrifice.

04:10:31.480 We don't sacrifice animals.

04:10:32.560 No one cares what you think.

04:10:33.600 The Bible says exactly what it says.

04:10:36.160 Women are not equal to men, and you should be glad of it.

04:10:39.960 Feminism has failed you.

04:10:41.620 Please get some help.

04:10:43.200 Be better.

04:10:43.760 Jesus was the sacrifice.

04:10:46.060 We don't sacrifice animals like heathens.

04:10:48.560 I agree.

04:10:49.160 I don't know what you're talking about.

04:10:50.500 I have one last thing to say.

04:10:52.140 Okay, so let's say, because I'm just, I'm new to the idea of submission.

04:10:56.820 Okay, so let's say.

04:10:58.880 I can see that.

04:10:59.280 Yeah, I was raised Jewish.

04:11:01.600 Okay, so let's say a woman, let's say a wife submits her husband, does something that's

04:11:07.720 like shady on her moral compass, but she does it because her husband says yes.

04:11:12.000 Then she gets to God on Judgment Day, and she says, but my husband told me to.

04:11:16.560 Yeah, you have to submit within what is considered rational.

04:11:20.720 But what if it's on the line?

04:11:22.340 What if it's something very, like, if it's about money?

04:11:25.340 I'm trying to explain it to you.

04:11:26.300 I'm trying to explain it to you so that you understand.

04:11:28.500 Submission still has to be within the confines of what's rational.

04:11:30.860 We know what's rational because we have church teachings which explain it to us, and an entirety

04:11:35.680 of clergy and a community of support which can help even if an irrational decision is

04:11:40.320 attempted by a husband.

04:11:41.660 You do need to submit, though, to what is rational.

04:11:45.040 As you've seen going around this table tonight, there are women who would rather live in a

04:11:49.300 forest with a bear, and even if a man came out to take them out of the situation, they

04:11:54.060 wouldn't do it.

04:11:55.160 That is irrational.

04:11:56.620 That would be the opposite of submission to the patriarchy.

04:11:59.840 So, yes, submission still needs to be within the confines of rationality.

04:12:05.420 But as I've seen at this table tonight, there's not that much of that to go around.

04:12:12.420 I thought this was a podcast about dating.

04:12:15.660 Yeah, but also there's a section, since we've been talking about dating for hours, where

04:12:20.160 people who are critics of ours can criticize.

04:12:23.100 And so we take it on with the critics.

04:12:25.760 You've talked plenty.

04:12:27.460 There's no reason for us not to be able to engage on this topic.

04:12:30.120 No, no, no.

04:12:30.360 I'm not saying that.

04:12:31.240 I was just curious how it was relating.

04:12:34.120 Religion is one of the most hot-button issues, including when it comes to dating.

04:12:38.080 People don't date outside of religion, for instance.

04:12:40.360 They may not date outside of certain preferences.

04:12:42.720 Religion is definitely keyed in as one of the hot-button issues when it comes to dating

04:12:47.440 inside of the United States and the West.

04:12:49.380 Do you have anything else that you disagree with, Andrew, on that you wanted to touch on?

04:12:53.460 Not right now.

04:12:54.160 We can keep moving.

04:12:54.760 Okay.

04:12:55.340 Going to Ina over here.

04:12:56.620 Ina, you said there's no such thing as 50-50, where you come from.

04:12:59.900 Not even a question.

04:13:02.060 Yeah.

04:13:02.980 So what do you mean by that?

04:13:05.100 Well, I mean, I just feel like if a guy wants to go 50-50, he just wants to be friends.

04:13:09.600 And over in that part of the world, men literally buy their potential spouses cars and flowers

04:13:15.880 and do all the things before they get married.

04:13:18.340 So they choose their mate based on who kind of more monetarily brings them.

04:13:24.960 Well, you're from Ukraine, correct?

04:13:26.480 Yeah.

04:13:27.140 Okay.

04:13:27.560 And was that your experience, your personal experience in Ukraine?

04:13:30.500 No.

04:13:30.960 I mean, I came here as a kid.

04:13:31.940 I was like five, so I grew up in America.

04:13:34.360 Oh.

04:13:34.460 But just knowing like women over there.

04:13:36.560 But is your standard, are you holding men to this in the U.S. to this Ukrainian standard?

04:13:44.040 Yeah.

04:13:44.160 I mean, I've never been asked to pay for a date.

04:13:46.400 I actually had a guy kind of mock me in a way.

04:13:48.540 He's like, oh, you want to pay?

04:13:49.800 And I was like, I mean, okay.

04:13:51.040 Okay.

04:13:51.260 And he's like, no.

04:13:51.880 Like, got like really offended about it.

04:13:53.420 Like, I'm not going to ask you to pay.

04:13:54.780 He was just making fun of it.

04:13:55.540 You object to the 50-50, right?

04:13:57.360 Yeah.

04:13:57.800 Just going around the table really quick on this.

04:13:59.780 Are you fine with 50-50 or do you prefer a guy to be more provider, pay for first dates,

04:14:04.440 pay for dates?

04:14:05.020 Like paying on a date?

04:14:05.540 Yeah.

04:14:06.200 Yeah.

04:14:06.520 I'm down with 50-50.

04:14:07.780 You're fine with 50-50?

04:14:09.420 On a date, yeah.

04:14:11.460 Completely okay, yeah.

04:14:13.000 Yeah.

04:14:14.060 Yeah.

04:14:16.680 50-50, yeah.

04:14:17.620 I think it should be 50-50 because you don't know each other a lot when you're first dating.

04:14:24.320 So you seem to be an outlier here, Ina.

04:14:26.980 So you are very strongly against 50-50.

04:14:30.340 Is that correct?

04:14:32.640 Yeah.

04:14:33.340 I mean, that's kind of the point of provide and protect.

04:14:37.740 Men should be able to kind of demonstrate that they can provide and protect before you go.

04:14:43.240 I was just curious, though, because I know this one we were talking about the clergy thing.

04:14:46.160 You seem to have a very strong negative reaction to this, what I assume to be your view of

04:14:51.940 this sort of sexist standard against women being able to participate in the clergy under

04:14:57.340 the Christian worldview.

04:14:58.200 Is that correct?

04:14:59.380 Yeah.

04:14:59.600 Well, how I was raised, like my parents' church, there would never be women leaders.

04:15:04.620 And I know people have left who grew up in the United States like me because they did

04:15:09.260 not feel that it was correct, that they couldn't lead.

04:15:11.880 Good.

04:15:12.420 Wait, wait, wait.

04:15:13.140 Parents' churches?

04:15:14.540 I'm sorry?

04:15:14.860 Did they go to better churches?

04:15:17.840 No, I'm saying like the women left because they couldn't lead.

04:15:20.600 And you think it was wrong?

04:15:21.660 Oh, great.

04:15:22.400 And you think it was wrong that the women were not able to participate in the clergy?

04:15:28.220 This is a hard one for me.

04:15:30.120 Okay, do you view it as sexist?

04:15:32.960 It's a hard one for me.

04:15:34.060 I still think men should lead.

04:15:37.040 But you seem to have...

04:15:38.800 And in life and in general.

04:15:40.760 Okay.

04:15:41.280 I was just a little confused because you, on one hand, you have the, seems like you have

04:15:44.780 an objection or criticism of the whole, you seem to have been upset by Andrew's assertion

04:15:50.080 that women can't be clergy.

04:15:51.880 No, I don't, I mean, I don't necessarily, the way that I was raised, they cannot be clergy.

04:15:57.140 But do you, do you take a quarrel with that?

04:16:00.160 Do you feel it is unjust?

04:16:05.500 I don't really, I don't really know how I feel about that, honestly.

04:16:08.160 Do you think Jesus was a feminist?

04:16:10.260 No.

04:16:11.480 Are you sure?

04:16:11.940 Do you think, do you think, do you think he would, that he was like Buddy Christ, just

04:16:16.000 like in Dogma, where he was like, and he would do that, and you know, he would be here for

04:16:20.260 the selfies and feminism now?

04:16:22.240 Or do you think that Christianity has always been run under a patriarchy, and it has been

04:16:28.520 since Jesus Christ's apostles ran his church, and it was under a patriarchy?

04:16:34.460 Like, which one do you think?

04:16:37.220 I mean, I do agree that men should lead women.

04:16:40.500 That's all I'm going to really say about that, whether it comes to church or-

04:16:43.800 I seem to remember that you had an objection to the, I'm afraid you're attempting to walk

04:16:49.280 it back now, because you know exactly what I'm leading you towards.

04:16:52.560 You have an objection of this standard of, well, women should be able to be clergy, yet

04:16:57.200 you have, which you view as sexist, but your view that men should be providers and should

04:17:02.440 pay for first dates is a sexist view.

04:17:06.260 You're holding men to a gender expectation.

04:17:10.500 I mean, like, what are you saying that I was against what he said?

04:17:13.960 Because I was kind of agreeing with what he was saying, that women shouldn't be leaders.

04:17:17.320 That's how I was raised.

04:17:19.240 My personal feelings about it, it's hard in this type of world, but that's how I was

04:17:25.140 raised, is men should be the ones leading the church.

04:17:27.100 Well, perhaps I'm misremembering, but it seemed like you did have an objection to the whole

04:17:31.740 women can't be clergy thing under Christianity.

04:17:34.260 No, I was agreeing with him more so.

04:17:37.480 Like, I think I was nodding my head to something.

04:17:41.260 Are you pro-choice?

04:17:43.900 Pro-choice?

04:17:45.000 No, I'm pro-life.

04:17:46.120 Yeah, pro-abortion?

04:17:46.780 No, I'm pro-life.

04:17:48.380 No, and did that come from your parents, too?

04:17:50.500 No, I don't believe you should kill children, even if they're, like, I don't, even if it's

04:17:55.060 rape or incest or anything.

04:17:56.320 I think the only time it's okay to kill is when the mom's life is at risk.

04:18:01.700 Two times.

04:18:02.140 Yeah.

04:18:02.500 Was that part of your upbringing?

04:18:05.360 Yeah.

04:18:06.500 Yeah, right.

04:18:07.660 So, it sounds like your parents had at least a good foothold on what Christianity is supposed

04:18:12.080 to be, right?

04:18:14.240 Yeah, well, my dad almost died in the Soviet Union because he refused to use a gun and

04:18:19.240 shoot people at that time, so the Soviets put him in a coma for, like, two months.

04:18:24.540 Was he an Eastern Orthodox?

04:18:26.940 Many of them did that.

04:18:29.160 I'm not sure.

04:18:30.440 I think so.

04:18:31.120 No.

04:18:31.380 Well, if he was in the Soviet Union, he, I mean, he may not have been, but that was,

04:18:34.960 that's a pretty, pretty common there.

04:18:36.720 So, yeah, I was just curious.

04:18:39.240 I do want to bring it back to, I think we went around the table on this, were we talking,

04:18:45.440 did everyone give their answers to, if you consider yourself a feminist?

04:18:49.000 Really quick, just a reminder, show of hands, who here is a feminist?

04:18:52.280 Show of hands, raise them high.

04:18:54.540 Okay, all right.

04:18:58.480 So, I just want to kind of get a better sense of that one.

04:19:02.200 So, those of you who said you're a feminist, do you believe that there is a patriarchy?

04:19:08.440 Starting with you?

04:19:10.140 Yeah.

04:19:12.020 Yes.

04:19:13.540 Yes.

04:19:14.940 Yes.

04:19:15.340 Okay.

04:19:16.680 Can you guys just tell me what the patriarchy is?

04:19:21.400 Am I?

04:19:22.080 Sorry.

04:19:22.200 Yeah, just, I'll always start over here.

04:19:24.340 Oh, okay.

04:19:25.480 Hierarchy of people and the order of how, you know, people in power are and who is looked

04:19:30.760 at as someone who can have power and who cannot, who should not be given power.

04:19:35.440 Does that make sense?

04:19:36.080 I didn't explain that very well, but.

04:19:39.240 Uh, sure.

04:19:40.440 Okay.

04:19:40.780 What about you?

04:19:43.060 Um, I, I think the, the word gets overused, but my definition would be that the patriarchy

04:19:52.060 patriarchy is a societal structure where men are dominant and women are subordinate to

04:19:59.240 men in their, in the gen, in their gender roles and their expectations and the positions

04:20:05.060 of power that they have access to.

04:20:07.180 Okay.

04:20:08.500 Um, I think the patriarchy has been how the world kind of came to be men and being in

04:20:15.780 power, women always being like, I won't always use the words always, I feel like that's

04:20:19.960 a very strong word, but women tend like women usually being not as powerful as men in social

04:20:28.340 structures, the hierarchy of power and like every scenario and like the family and work

04:20:34.880 everywhere.

04:20:38.020 Yeah.

04:20:38.660 Basically everything they said, it's a hierarchy that puts men in power.

04:20:43.080 Okay.

04:20:43.780 And so under this hierarchy, under this.

04:20:46.280 Jeremy donated $200 back to the bear.

04:20:51.800 You can reason with man.

04:20:53.360 You can't reason with a bear.

04:20:55.380 Enjoyed the bear.

04:20:56.660 Do you think Brian and Andrew do this for a good reason?

04:21:00.060 Don't you see the logic grid one motorsports, my bro?

04:21:05.580 Uh, thank you, Jeremy, man.

04:21:06.860 Appreciate it.

04:21:07.320 Good to see you in the chat, dude.

04:21:08.460 Uh, you were a legend on Sunday show.

04:21:10.860 So good to see you back.

04:21:12.140 Really much.

04:21:12.820 Uh, very much appreciate your patronage.

04:21:14.440 So under patriarchy, which it seems like you guys assert that it's, there is, it exists.

04:21:21.200 It's a thing.

04:21:22.400 Uh, are women oppressed under the patriarchy?

04:21:27.400 I'll start with you.

04:21:29.480 Um, it really depends under which one.

04:21:32.600 Let's just say the U.S.

04:21:33.500 The U.S., yes.

04:21:34.860 Yes.

04:21:35.300 Okay.

04:21:35.980 I think women have been, yes.

04:21:38.000 Are they currently?

04:21:39.940 Yes.

04:21:40.480 In many, many situations, yes.

04:21:42.700 Okay.

04:21:43.900 Uh, I'll get all your answers first.

04:21:46.440 What about you?

04:21:47.540 In a lot of dimensions, yes.

04:21:48.980 But I think that women in some dimensions do benefit from the patriarchy.

04:21:54.220 Yeah, I, I agree with everything they said.

04:21:56.280 Okay.

04:21:56.820 So under the patriarchy, then, if women are oppressed, are men the oppressors?

04:22:04.520 Um, starting with you.

04:22:08.100 Um, not necessarily.

04:22:09.520 It's both genders doing the oppressing when we're under the patriarchy.

04:22:15.240 Would it be a patriarchy, then, if it was?

04:22:18.080 Well, yeah, because women can still oppress other women under a patriarchy.

04:22:23.240 Like, for example, an anti-feminist with a feminist.

04:22:26.620 That would be a question?

04:22:29.600 Yeah.

04:22:30.900 How would that be a question?

04:22:31.720 Can I, can I just make sure I get this right?

04:22:34.260 Like, an anti-feminist making anti-abortion laws?

04:22:37.780 Isn't that a pressing woman?

04:22:39.500 How would that be a pressing woman?

04:22:41.000 Wait, Andrew, answer, or excuse me, ask your original question.

04:22:45.320 Yeah, well, I just want to make sure, though, um, it can't be equal between men and women if they're ruling over you and be a patriarchy, right?

04:22:54.980 Yeah.

04:22:55.980 Yeah, so, so it would still be women are being oppressed specifically by men.

04:23:01.720 Yes.

04:23:03.080 Okay.

04:23:03.780 And an entailment of feminism, you would agree, is that it's women who need to dismantle the patriarchy?

04:23:13.200 Um, not necessarily.

04:23:15.280 I'm not sure how I feel about that, but yeah.

04:23:18.180 Well, if you have an oppressor and they're men and you don't want men to oppress you,

04:23:21.480 then you are trying to strive to get rid of men oppressing you, right?

04:23:25.160 Yeah, but I feel like the male gender could also help with dismantling the patriarchy.

04:23:31.240 Yeah, I mean, they, they could, but they would be then male feminists, right?

04:23:35.780 Yeah, which we have.

04:23:36.880 Yeah, so, but, so the entailment of feminism is to dismantle the patriarchy, right?

04:23:42.100 Yes.

04:23:43.140 Okay.

04:23:45.280 Are men the oppressors?

04:23:47.700 Are men the oppressors? Is that the question?

04:23:49.460 Well, if women are oppressed, are men the oppressors?

04:23:52.760 They are part of the oppressors, yes.

04:23:54.580 Okay.

04:23:55.960 Men are the people in power, so they're the ones that the oppressors, but like she said,

04:24:01.020 women can also uphold that structure.

04:24:03.260 What about you?

04:24:04.220 Yeah.

04:24:06.040 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

04:24:09.580 Oh my god.

04:24:10.000 Me.

04:24:10.660 I am the patriarchy.

04:24:12.900 Feminism's purpose is to destroy the nuclear family and is anti-patriarchy.

04:24:16.460 Feminism is the true oppression, and you have all been subjects of it.

04:24:21.900 The patriarchy endures.

04:24:24.060 All right.

04:24:24.600 Thank you, Grid One Motorsports.

04:24:27.240 He is the patriarch, the patriarchy.

04:24:31.020 So a couple of you answered to this question.

04:24:33.720 Yes, women in the United States are oppressed in certain ways, a couple different ways.

04:24:40.600 I'm curious to learn how, starting with you.

04:24:48.400 Well, one would be access to reproductive health.

04:24:51.880 Okay.

04:24:52.320 Anything else besides that?

04:24:54.240 I'm sure the rest of the ladies can add on.

04:24:57.240 Well, do you want to give me at least one more?

04:24:59.960 One more would be the access to, I don't know.

04:25:08.980 Huh.

04:25:10.580 Do women have less?

04:25:11.360 Safe spaces.

04:25:12.180 Yeah.

04:25:12.540 Wait, hold on.

04:25:13.960 Say that one more time.

04:25:15.660 The access to safe spaces?

04:25:17.980 Women have less access than men to safe spaces.

04:25:21.060 Yes.

04:25:21.820 Yeah.

04:25:21.980 What are the safe spaces that men have access to that women don't?

04:25:27.440 Well, a space where you wouldn't be.

04:25:30.160 Like, for example, at the doctors, men are a lot more safer than women.

04:25:34.880 Like, when a woman is unconscious, she can legally get a, what's that thing called?

04:25:41.000 A hysterectomy?

04:25:43.000 No, I don't think that is.

04:25:44.400 Where they, when you're unconscious and they check you for, like, a pap smear, basically,

04:25:48.260 they're getting into your genitalia while you're unconscious.

04:25:50.880 They wouldn't do that to them yet.

04:25:52.620 That's one type of thing.

04:25:56.020 I think I've heard of.

04:25:57.820 Yes, yes, yes, they can.

04:25:59.980 Yeah.

04:26:00.120 If you're unconscious at the doctor and you're a man and they need to fix you up, they most

04:26:05.800 definitely can get into your genitalia.

04:26:08.220 I don't know where you got the idea that they couldn't.

04:26:10.080 No, not if, like, the issue doesn't have anything to do with your genitalia.

04:26:13.740 They wouldn't get into your genitalia.

04:26:14.280 Yeah, but if the issue has nothing to do with your genitalia for a woman, they won't get

04:26:17.700 into your genitalia.

04:26:18.780 What are you talking about?

04:26:19.540 No, but that was my point.

04:26:19.820 That was my point.

04:26:20.440 It's, yeah, they can legally search it up, fact check me.

04:26:24.540 Yeah, but they can legally do it for both if there's a cause to go there for whatever

04:26:29.420 the medical issue is if you're unconscious.

04:26:31.540 Yeah, but my point, but my only point was that they can do it and they do do it to women

04:26:35.100 even when there is no cause.

04:26:36.960 I can give you a different example, though, which would be, like, the husband's stitch.

04:26:40.600 A lot of women, after they give birth, they'll get an extra stitch on their vagina opening.

04:26:45.960 That makes it so that sex is more pleasurable for their husband right after, which doesn't

04:26:51.780 benefit the woman, if anything, and makes it a lot more complicated to feel free.

04:26:54.940 I've never heard of it.

04:26:56.040 I've never heard of it.

04:26:56.980 Well, hang on.

04:26:57.760 I'm just going to assume that it's true for a second.

04:27:01.280 So what?

04:27:02.480 What if this is requested by the woman?

04:27:05.080 But that's the thing.

04:27:06.040 It's not requested by the woman.

04:27:07.560 A lot of doctors do it without even asking the woman.

04:27:10.880 That's dubious.

04:27:12.100 That's dubious.

04:27:12.880 Do you want to search?

04:27:14.000 I'm sure it's happened.

04:27:14.860 She's right.

04:27:15.400 It's true.

04:27:15.980 You're saying that there's a majority of women who...

04:27:18.380 I never said the word majority.

04:27:19.700 I said there's a good amount of women who get that.

04:27:21.860 It's called the husband's stitch.

04:27:23.140 That's why I have a name.

04:27:23.560 Without their consent?

04:27:24.640 Yes.

04:27:25.220 There's a...

04:27:25.700 This seems dubious.

04:27:27.180 I would like to hear from perhaps a nurse or someone who's involved in the healthcare field.

04:27:32.120 It can't be without your consent.

04:27:33.360 I'm sure it's happened.

04:27:34.320 Would you be able to sue?

04:27:35.040 If that happened?

04:27:35.560 This seems very dubious.

04:27:37.160 No, because they're already stitching you up.

04:27:38.680 They just add an extra stitch.

04:27:40.520 It's called the husband's stitch.

04:27:41.980 It also doesn't happen.

04:27:44.080 The husband's stitch, also known as the daddy's stitch, is an outdated medical practice that

04:27:48.100 involves an extra stitch during vaginal repair after childbirth.

04:27:51.700 The procedure is not medically necessary.

04:27:54.360 The idea behind the husband's stitch is it makes sex more pleasurable.

04:27:58.320 It's only available on request.

04:28:01.860 No, it's not.

04:28:02.680 I know people who have had it.

04:28:03.760 I have aunts who have had it.

04:28:05.520 That's why.

04:28:06.160 Okay, so your aunts are a lot older than you, right?

04:28:08.900 Yeah.

04:28:09.420 I never said that doctors are doing this on a day-to-day basis.

04:28:11.940 The husband is no longer, hang on, so this could be possible that it no longer is standard

04:28:15.760 operating procedure, even if it was for your aunts.

04:28:18.500 Yeah, that's very possible that it's not as common anymore, yeah.

04:28:21.800 My husband's stitch is rarely performed in the United States.

04:28:24.660 Healthcare providers should never perform it without a woman's consent.

04:28:28.080 It goes against medical ethics.

04:28:30.140 She just says she had a friend who's had it, so that kind of process.

04:28:32.940 Well, I mean, I think that she's not telling us the truth.

04:28:36.000 All of my friends haven't had it.

04:28:38.640 Oh, now we have counter-evidence, huh?

04:28:40.880 Did they ask for it?

04:28:42.440 No, it has been, like, a legal battle in between them, but, like, that has happened.

04:28:48.500 And that was recent, but that is, like, obviously...

04:28:50.700 Your friend did not get the husband's stitch.

04:28:52.900 You're full of shit.

04:28:54.340 It's basically never done unless it's on request.

04:28:57.720 You made it up.

04:28:58.580 It's an anecdote that you made up.

04:29:00.800 You could never demonstrate your friend had the husband's stitch and is in a legal battle.

04:29:05.420 If you could do...

04:29:06.080 You know what?

04:29:06.740 I'll tell you what.

04:29:07.340 If you could demonstrate that you have a friend that you know who had the husband's stitch against their will, I'll send you $250 right now.

04:29:16.300 Call your friend up.

04:29:18.140 I will not do...

04:29:19.360 I don't need to prove that, but that's just odd.

04:29:22.560 I have a question.

04:29:23.360 I'm wondering what Andrew and Brian, like, what you guys think about the patriarchy.

04:29:28.420 Well, hold on.

04:29:29.680 I'm not done with my question, so we can perhaps answer that later, but I did want to go around.

04:29:34.780 So you gave two examples of how women are oppressed.

04:29:38.860 Yeah, these three.

04:29:39.640 Yeah.

04:29:40.940 Can you give any other examples of how women are oppressed?

04:29:45.480 I think in workspaces, sometimes at school, I feel like it's just, like, I'm not sure if it's, like, how can I put this into words?

04:29:57.700 Like, the oppression of, just, like, sometimes this, like, speech, like, being, having, like, fear of speaking up because you don't know how people react, keeping quiet in, like, workspaces, things like that.

04:30:11.280 Like, how the system has, like, pretty much, like, created this, I don't know, like, how do I say this?

04:30:19.580 Like, this, like, sphere, this, like, kind of bubble, like, pushes us down more than men.

04:30:25.720 I feel like it's not encouraging to women to, like, step up sometimes and, like, just be more open and things.

04:30:33.980 I feel like...

04:30:34.540 By the way, Brian, I want to let you know just an update on this.

04:30:37.320 Conducting the husband's stitch is considered malpractice.

04:30:39.860 All doctors, other healthcare workers, can be sued for performing this surgery.

04:30:44.020 It's considered malpractice.

04:30:46.320 Literally considered malpractice.

04:30:48.100 It is not a thing which women are subject to.

04:30:50.320 Even with consent, it would be malpractice?

04:30:53.240 Unless it's with specifically a woman's consent, which, in that case, why would they have a problem with it?

04:30:58.420 Right.

04:30:58.880 Okay.

04:30:59.080 So, women feeling like they can't openly speak or that would be oppression, but that would be how you feel.

04:31:11.960 Like, I'm looking for something a bit more concrete.

04:31:24.220 I could also change the question a little bit.

04:31:26.320 But what is a right that men have that women don't?

04:31:33.940 Because, I mean, feminism fights for women's rights.

04:31:37.520 It's not clear to me if there's any rights that men have that women don't.

04:31:41.460 I don't think it's necessarily rights.

04:31:44.560 I think it's more of, like, being treated equally.

04:31:47.300 Are women not treated equally?

04:31:49.480 Not really.

04:31:50.320 Could I answer this or could I speak on it?

04:31:52.160 So, I looked at, I was researching about the origins of patriarchy, which is a system.

04:31:58.980 So, patriarchy, it started back when they were making civilization.

04:32:02.380 And men who had, well, people who had the most wealth were people who could get the most food.

04:32:07.560 And that was men.

04:32:08.780 So, men were able to.

04:32:10.280 Men have a faster metabolism.

04:32:12.440 No, no, no.

04:32:13.180 Well, men were getting the most food for their civilization.

04:32:17.060 So, they were getting the most wealth.

04:32:18.400 I have it on my phone.

04:32:19.940 They still are.

04:32:20.980 Yeah, I know.

04:32:21.780 They still are.

04:32:22.360 I know.

04:32:23.100 Yeah.

04:32:23.580 So, I'm just saying.

04:32:24.700 Just let me finish my point.

04:32:25.880 So, patriarchy is a system that's been started ever since then.

04:32:29.480 But feminism is sort of like the way to catch up.

04:32:31.780 So, back in the day, women could not vote.

04:32:34.300 Women could not do a lot of the vote.

04:32:35.560 Neither could men.

04:32:37.240 For the vast majority of all human history, neither men or women could vote.

04:32:41.040 Women could vote.

04:32:41.780 That's correct.

04:32:42.260 There's a very, very small, comparatively speaking, a very small portion of history where men were able to vote and women weren't.

04:32:50.040 But if you look at the whole scale of human history, neither people could vote.

04:32:55.020 Okay.

04:32:55.260 It would either be, you would have a monarch, or there would be like this royalty, or there was a period where it would be property.

04:33:06.240 Owners.

04:33:06.800 Sure.

04:33:07.280 Okay.

04:33:07.840 So, in the United States, the first feminist was like Abigail Adams.

04:33:12.740 She said, if we don't get the same rights, like a rebellion is going to happen, basically.

04:33:16.180 She wrote that to her husband.

04:33:17.880 And so, patriarchy is a system.

04:33:20.400 Feminism is like a movement.

04:33:22.260 So, I do think that the feminists in the past have done a lot, and we've gotten a lot of our rights.

04:33:27.640 And they're bound by law.

04:33:28.960 That was not the first feminist at all.

04:33:31.560 Not even close.

04:33:32.720 No, also, Plato was the one who said, can I continue, please?

04:33:37.080 No, Plato wasn't either.

04:33:37.760 Can I continue, please?

04:33:37.880 But hang on.

04:33:38.340 Let me correct this.

04:33:39.080 The law directly contradicted this.

04:33:42.460 When you're talking about the first wave feminists, which came out of Russia, especially, their idea was dismantling the nuclear family.

04:33:46.740 I was talking about in the United States, and I could back that up by research.

04:33:51.680 I was talking about in the United States, by multiple research, I could back that up.

04:33:55.320 That Abigail Adams was the first person.

04:33:57.100 No, that's not even true even here.

04:33:59.160 So, what's your point?

04:33:59.980 Just make your point.

04:34:00.740 My point is that patriarchy is a system.

04:34:04.180 Feminism is a movement.

04:34:05.320 So, feminism has caught females up to males to a certain point.

04:34:09.700 But there's still underlying things that are still happening.

04:34:12.840 And I don't think that females are oppressed.

04:34:15.560 I don't call myself a feminist.

04:34:16.940 I think that we have gained all our same rights.

04:34:19.460 But I do think that patriarchy is still a system that still has its underlying layers in the way that we govern ourselves.

04:34:27.740 I do want to just point out one thing when it came to the right to vote, and this is speaking within the United States.

04:34:32.860 Only a 50-year period passed between the ratification of the 15th Amendment, which gave all men the right to vote in 1870, and the 19th Amendment in 1920.

04:34:43.740 So, 50 years.

04:34:44.660 There's only 50 years in America that all men could vote that women could not.

04:34:48.080 Jeremy says, do you know how many DV shelters are accessible to men in the U.S.?

04:34:51.580 Zero.

04:34:52.320 We need to bridge the gap to make progress.

04:34:54.520 I don't want my daughter to live in a world like this.

04:34:58.280 Plato, he, F Plato, he dead.

04:35:01.220 I'm assuming.

04:35:01.920 Okay.

04:35:03.460 All right.

04:35:04.100 Thank you, Jeremy.

04:35:04.560 Appreciate that.

04:35:05.260 Really quick.

04:35:06.600 Just going around the table, I think I was asking the question, how are women oppressed?

04:35:13.960 Can I ask a question?

04:35:15.420 Okay.

04:35:18.780 What's your motive in asking us this?

04:35:22.420 Because we want to probe the worldview to see if we have potential disagreements with your worldview.

04:35:28.960 Okay.

04:35:29.400 I mean, I think it's pretty obvious that at least you and I don't agree on a lot of things, but that's fine.

04:35:36.680 I would say that the traditional view of feminism that many people have, that the idea of the movement for women to be, have the same rights to have the, to be viewed as equal to men in the eyes of society, would be like a pretty generic view of feminism.

04:35:56.300 Correct me if I'm wrong.

04:35:57.080 I think that I saw one of those comments pop up on the screen that was talking about how men don't have access to, I think it was DV shelters.

04:36:07.940 I think they make domestic violence.

04:36:10.120 Yep.

04:36:10.240 And I think that's a really good point.

04:36:14.720 I think that there's plenty of ways that men, I think oppressed would be a strong word to use considering that we're looking at this in the context of the patriarchy.

04:36:22.100 But I would say that there's plenty of ways that men are underrepresented and that men could use a little bit of help in maybe the eyes of society or the law or however you want to say it in terms of gender roles in society.

04:36:35.640 I think that there's unfair expectations that are placed on men and women as well.

04:36:40.160 I think that women have been systematically oppressed since the beginning of time.

04:36:45.940 If you want to argue with me on that, go ahead.

04:36:50.560 I could argue on that.

04:36:51.400 I could argue with you on that.

04:36:52.500 Why would you argue with me on that?

04:36:54.160 Do you, well.

04:36:56.540 I don't.

04:36:57.300 Because the whole thing with feminism is it's trying to look at the issues that women have.

04:37:03.180 And I think for the longest period of time, men didn't really take a thorough analysis of the ways in which they were disadvantaged.

04:37:12.500 But feminism has sort of opened the floodgates because when you start looking at, okay, well, here's the way that us women have it worse and men are to blame, by the way.

04:37:22.080 And it's men's fault.

04:37:23.200 Then men are going to start to want to make, to assert potential counterclaims to your positions.

04:37:30.560 And then men are going to start to look and say, well, if we're going to start to look at everything through this prism, this lens of gender, then we're going to also look.

04:37:40.000 Because feminism is playing a comparison game.

04:37:42.860 It's saying women have it worse than men.

04:37:45.360 So if you put that out there into the ether, into the universe, it then opens up men to say, well, hold on.

04:37:52.120 Let's actually do an analysis on the ways in which we don't have it so great.

04:37:56.700 So, for example, I mean, you often hear things about the wage gap, reproductive rights, although that doesn't really occur to me to be a gender thing because men have absolutely zero reproductive rights.

04:38:07.620 Women have far more reproductive rights compared to men.

04:38:10.380 But you start looking at these things and then men can start looking at, okay, well, what are the sort of gendered negative life outcomes for men?

04:38:19.540 And we look at things like, grid one motorsports donated $200.

04:38:25.040 Feminists have been supporting the fact that men are better women than actual women are.

04:38:29.820 How can you support this?

04:38:31.800 Women are being oppressed by women who hate men and want the world to burn.

04:38:36.120 Be better.

04:38:36.660 So just to finish my point here.

04:38:39.960 So thank you, good one.

04:38:42.160 Appreciate it.

04:38:42.940 So if men start to actually make an analysis of the negative life outcomes that they have, you can look at, for example, men are more likely to delete themselves.

04:38:51.500 They're less likely to get higher education.

04:38:53.200 They're less likely to go to college.

04:38:54.820 You go to UCSB, right?

04:38:56.380 What's the gender breakdown there?

04:38:57.700 I think it's probably 60-40.

04:38:59.420 Now, back in the day, it was evidence of sexism that there were more men going to university than women.

04:39:05.280 Now that's completely flip-flopped.

04:39:07.160 There's more women going to universities than men.

04:39:09.460 Are you prepared to argue that that's evidence of sexism towards men?

04:39:12.980 I would suspect not because any time women become overrepresented in some area, that is still equality in the eyes of women.

04:39:22.700 It's never inequality if it's 80% of women are in this desirable work field.

04:39:27.200 That's never viewed as for sexist reasons towards men.

04:39:30.800 There's some other examples here.

04:39:32.220 Men are more likely to die in war.

04:39:34.620 They're forced into war.

04:39:36.160 They're more likely to die on the job.

04:39:37.860 They're more likely to be incarcerated.

04:39:39.280 They're more likely to be victims of police misconduct and police killings.

04:39:43.020 They're more likely to be homeless.

04:39:44.560 There's a whole bunch of other scenarios.

04:39:45.860 In fact, immediately upon birth, if we look at within the first 24 hours of birth, men immediately have their genitals mutilated.

04:39:55.980 That's an instant...

04:39:57.980 Are you talking about circumcision?

04:39:59.300 Yeah.

04:39:59.600 Yeah.

04:40:00.140 I mean, you laugh at it, but it actually is a barbaric practice.

04:40:04.280 Oh, sure.

04:40:05.340 You're right.

04:40:05.860 I haven't viewed it that way before, but sure.

04:40:08.100 Yeah, most women are the ones who are opting to have their male sons have their genitals mutilated.

04:40:14.040 But there's all kinds of ways.

04:40:15.240 Maybe we'll call that the mother's stitch, maybe.

04:40:18.080 Almost all men in the United States have circumcision, and the reasons are dubious at best.

04:40:26.720 I'm not in favor of it, but we don't have to get into a circumcision conversation.

04:40:31.720 So, I mean...

04:40:32.640 I mean, didn't that initiate...

04:40:34.800 Like, a lot of the things you mentioned are kind of initiated by men, though, right?

04:40:39.320 I mean, not the circumcision thing, but...

04:40:41.080 So, women were the ones that first started circumcision?

04:40:45.040 It's from the Bible.

04:40:46.120 Well, actually, you know what's funny?

04:40:47.460 When it comes to female genital mutilation in some of these other countries, it's not something that's in the U.S.,

04:40:52.140 but it's actually women that tend to uphold that specific tradition against other women.

04:40:57.560 So, you're about to make a, but it's men's fault argument.

04:41:00.740 No, I actually wasn't.

04:41:01.820 So, are they less victims because the perpetrator of the cause of this is because they're men?

04:41:08.580 No, I wasn't about to say that.

04:41:10.320 I feel like it's, like, the opposite.

04:41:12.440 Like, women will...

04:41:14.240 Like, remember how I mentioned that earlier, that women uphold the patriarchy.

04:41:17.860 Like, that kind of goes with my point.

04:41:19.620 Like, if a woman is mutilating another woman's genitalia, it's because of, like, patriarchy at the end of the day.

04:41:27.280 It's not...

04:41:27.620 Wait, it's...

04:41:28.640 Okay.

04:41:29.700 Anyways, so, to kind of put the final point in what I was saying here,

04:41:35.380 I'm actually prepared to just disregard, actually, most of my points that I made and focus in on just one.

04:41:42.180 So, you said from the beginning of time, women have been oppressed and men haven't.

04:41:46.140 Oh, I knew you were going to bring up this one.

04:41:47.920 Okay, that was a really big blanket statement that you could probably poke holes in all you wanted.

04:41:54.880 I think that, sure, maybe that was a bit of, like, an absolute.

04:41:58.540 I think that the issues that women face in society, and you're right, this whole idea of feminism exists in this comparative to men.

04:42:11.800 Who has it worse?

04:42:12.800 And I think that there is a lot of issues with, like, the modern take of feminism.

04:42:18.600 I think that it hasn't gone too far.

04:42:21.040 I would never say that.

04:42:22.080 But I think that we've lost sight of really what the goal was supposed to be, and that it should be a basis of equity and not equality.

04:42:29.300 And really, what are the rules?

04:42:31.120 What are the things that are facing men?

04:42:33.080 What are the issues that are facing women?

04:42:35.260 And how can we support both?

04:42:36.940 It's not a matter of putting down men to bring up women or saying that all men suck and trying to vilify one gender or the other.

04:42:45.500 Well, let's just go back to the bear thing.

04:42:47.020 You guys all would rather be in a forest alone with a bear than with a man.

04:42:51.100 Not all of you, but most of you answered that way.

04:42:53.780 Isn't that sort of vilifying men to say that any given random man is more dangerous than a bear?

04:43:00.520 I think after our hour and a half conversation, I reconsidered the way that I was looking at the scenario, and I wouldn't necessarily use the same logic that Andrew was talking about now.

04:43:16.400 I think maybe I would reconsider my answer.

04:43:18.440 Okay.

04:43:18.820 I'll just say one last thing then.

04:43:20.240 So, just going back all throughout history, I would argue that the burdens placed on men, and this actually comes down to one sole male-specific grievance.

04:43:34.940 I think that all feminist arguments about oppression are dead on arrival.

04:43:39.260 In fact, men have been more oppressed than women, and here's precisely how.

04:43:42.800 So, all of women's collective grievances fall flat in the face of just one sole male grievance,

04:43:49.140 and that's forced military conscription.

04:44:01.060 So, you think that men are more oppressed than women because they are subject to being forced to fight in a war?

04:44:09.120 So, I'm putting aside all the other male grievances that I've listed, and there's quite a few, and they're quite significant.

04:44:14.440 No, not just for fighting a war.

04:44:16.940 They can be pressed into conscription for anything, which is voted in by a prescription of Congress to draft them for.

04:44:24.200 It could be a war.

04:44:25.440 It could be some other national effort.

04:44:27.700 We don't know.

04:44:28.460 We've never seen the full extent of it implemented in law, but it's actually quite broad.

04:44:32.400 So, I mean, yes, throughout all of human history, yes, I would argue that that sole male-only grievance is bigger than all of the women's collective grievances combined.

04:44:49.100 Okay, let me ask you, are you...

04:44:50.380 I'm a little bit baffled.

04:44:52.220 I'm not going to lie.

04:44:53.420 Okay.

04:44:53.700 Well, I mean, what's a bigger grievance, not being allowed to vote or the death of 20 million men?

04:45:02.220 I think that you're kind of quantifying it in a weird way.

04:45:06.300 Well, I'm playing the feminist game here.

04:45:08.080 Feminism is a comparison.

04:45:09.760 Feminism is a comparison game.

04:45:11.600 Women have it worse than men.

04:45:13.040 And here I am giving you pushback and saying, well, hold on, let's look at this dimension that is a gendered thing, this gendered expectation that men can be forced to go die in some war, go die in some trench.

04:45:28.540 Like, I can see how, as a man, I would probably not be a fan of the draft because I wouldn't want to die.

04:45:42.360 I think the fact that you think that men are somehow more oppressed than women.

04:45:49.280 I also, you're going back to this idea that feminism is innately a comparison game.

04:45:56.820 It is.

04:45:57.080 How could it not be?

04:45:58.740 In your opinion, the way that you're defining feminism, and if you'll want to try to say that I'm not a feminist and from your logic game, that's fine.

04:46:07.300 In your world, you could say I'm not a feminist or whatever if that's the type of path that you're trying to lead me down.

04:46:15.320 No, I'd say you certainly are.

04:46:16.640 Well, but the thing is that I was emphasizing that I think that feminism needs to evolve to continue on with the same goal that I think women had in mind, or at least the goal that I had in mind, which is equity, not equality.

04:46:31.900 What, I'm a little confused what the, what, what's equity?

04:46:36.600 What would be an example of equity?

04:46:38.700 So, there's, the way I learned about it is that there could be a series of boxes.

04:46:44.380 Yeah, I'm familiar with that.

04:46:45.800 So, do you know what I'm talking about, where in this sense, equity would be measures to have women have the same rights in the eyes of society and also men.

04:46:56.600 So, it would, the ways that women and men would be upholded would be in different ways.

04:47:01.400 I'm, I'm saying that this view of feminism that women need to somehow now be, have it better off than men or that some women would say that women continue to have it worse than men would be in disguise that it's a comparative structure.

04:47:16.600 What I'm saying is that the whole idea of comparison is pinning the sides against each other.

04:47:22.140 It's not about that.

04:47:22.900 It's about, it's about seeing each other for what we really need.

04:47:26.760 Can I just interject and just ask one quick clarifying question?

04:47:31.480 Assume for a second the draft tomorrow was expanded to women and you were drafted.

04:47:37.000 Would you go?

04:47:40.860 I don't want to fight in a war and I'm not saying that men want to fight in a war either.

04:47:45.420 I know that there was a whole lot.

04:47:46.820 Yeah, I know, but would you go?

04:47:48.740 Would I go fight in a war?

04:47:50.740 Yeah.

04:47:50.960 No, I don't think I would be very good in combat.

04:47:54.380 I also don't want to die.

04:47:56.420 Selfishly.

04:48:00.180 Did you have a follow up, Andrew, or I have some.

04:48:03.740 No, no, I just wanted to get that clarified real quick.

04:48:06.340 Okay.

04:48:06.680 Well, I mean, when it comes to this whole military conscription thing, what would be the feminist equity perspective on the current state of things when it comes to equity and the fact that men are only subject to military conscription?

04:48:19.280 I'm not going to say that I have an answer, but I would say that if women are against fighting in a war and being subject to the draft and you're using a feminist agenda to try to uphold that, it would be kind of a weak argument.

04:48:35.520 It would have holes in it because you would say, well, if you think that women and men are equal, then get on the battlefield with them.

04:48:42.120 But I think that men also love to uphold the idea that part of the gender expectations that are held upon them is that they are the protectors and they are physically stronger.

04:48:53.340 And so if you're physically stronger and you want to protect me, then go do it.

04:48:58.580 Well, what if a man doesn't want to be drafted?

04:49:02.240 That doesn't really change the fact that in the event of a draft, he would be drafted.

04:49:08.320 Can I ask something?

04:49:09.500 What's up?

04:49:09.880 I don't know the historics of it.

04:49:11.600 Like, how is that?

04:49:12.560 How did it come to be?

04:49:13.980 What do you mean?

04:49:14.900 Like, drafting people.

04:49:16.640 Okay, I mean, I think I could take a crack at this, but I mean, throughout all human history, different tribes warred with each other.

04:49:24.940 And if you were a man and you were able-bodied, they would put a spear in your hand and say, you're going to defend the tribe.

04:49:34.620 Otherwise, they're going to take our land.

04:49:36.260 They're going to take our women.

04:49:37.540 They're going to commit atrocities against our civilian population.

04:49:41.880 So I would imagine it just goes way back into human history of there's warring tribes.

04:49:47.700 There's different.

04:49:48.720 I would actually even go a step further and just grant, I think, what you're angling at.

04:49:53.700 Which is, I think the patriarchy brought us the draft.

04:49:59.260 Yeah, exactly.

04:50:00.320 That it was a system of patriarchy which brought us the draft here in the United States.

04:50:06.620 Do you guys disagree with that?

04:50:08.140 Or was that kind of where you were going with that?

04:50:10.180 No, that's so valid.

04:50:12.220 Yeah, yeah, totally, right?

04:50:14.220 So I got to ask you a question.

04:50:15.900 How in the world could we ever repeal any of these things which the patriarchy have imposed upon us without appealing again to another patriarchy to do so?

04:50:30.020 You can't.

04:50:31.860 You can't.

04:50:32.500 Another patriarchy.

04:50:33.260 Which means that that grid one is correct and patriarchy is inevitable.

04:50:37.780 What's your other version of a different patriarchy?

04:50:40.580 Like a matriarchy?

04:50:41.700 What could you appeal to which was not a patriarchy and would not become a patriarchy by necessity in order to overthrow a patriarchy?

04:50:53.800 I've never been here to necessarily overthrow the patriarchy.

04:50:57.080 I think that's kind of a combative way of looking at the whole situation.

04:50:59.680 And I've seen models of a matriarchy that people try to present.

04:51:03.840 Well, I don't think so.

04:51:05.060 So for instance, let's say you pass laws.

04:51:07.560 You would say that you would pass laws in order to get rid of this nefarious patriarchy, right?

04:51:13.000 I didn't say that.

04:51:15.360 Okay, but I don't understand then.

04:51:18.440 How would you replace a patriarchy?

04:51:21.520 You keep saying I want to replace a patriarchy.

04:51:23.940 I never said that I wanted to replace a patriarchy.

04:51:25.980 Okay, so then can you answer my question of how you would be able to replace a patriarchy, even if you don't want to, absent appealing to a patriarchy?

04:51:37.300 I don't think that I necessarily have the answer to that question.

04:51:40.380 Yeah, because nobody has an answer to that question.

04:51:43.120 Because you necessarily will always create a new patriarchy, no matter what.

04:51:48.420 You have to appeal to the thing which you're trying to dismantle in order to dismantle the thing.

04:51:53.780 That's why it's cyclical.

04:51:54.900 It can't ever really work.

04:51:56.180 So you're saying that men are systematically superior to women?

04:52:00.180 In the domain of force application, yes.

04:52:04.940 They are 100% superior to women in every single way, almost, when it comes to force application.

04:52:11.360 Like strength?

04:52:14.360 Well, not just strength, but any force application, be it machinery, guns, any of these things are going to be inherently superior because they are stronger.

04:52:22.740 And they have larger skeletons.

04:52:26.800 Wait, I did want to go.

04:52:28.540 Oh, go ahead, Andrew.

04:52:30.100 So essentially, I'm just saying that the reason that this, to me, has always been circular logic is because I cannot ever seem to get an answer of how you would dismantle a patriarchy without appealing to a patriarchy, thus creating a new patriarchy in order to dismantle the old one.

04:52:45.540 What are your thoughts on a matriarchy?

04:52:47.860 I'm just curious.

04:52:49.920 They're non-existent.

04:52:51.580 They can't actually exist because of this force applicator.

04:52:54.200 No, a theoretical matriarchy.

04:52:56.500 They can't even theoretically exist, I don't think, because of the force applicator.

04:53:00.400 So as long as there's men in this society, they're always going to have a monopoly on force application.

04:53:07.220 Because that's true, I don't think a matriarchy is actually logically possible, unless you were in some, like, really lopsided situation.

04:53:14.600 Like, I don't know, you had 10,000 women and, like, 100 men.

04:53:18.680 I think that that might be possible.

04:53:20.280 But even then, I'm not sure.

04:53:22.960 You know, I'm not even sure then.

04:53:24.300 But I don't think it's logically possible inside of general societies to have matriarchal systems.

04:53:30.520 Do you think that, I lost my train of thought, but do you think that a matriarchy, in theory, just wouldn't, it wouldn't work because women, like, in order for a society to operate on a functional basis, you would need force, strong force operation to be there?

04:53:51.460 You have to have force applicators in order to enforce the law of the land.

04:53:55.980 So, in other words, if there's a criminal and you want him punished, there has to be big, burly, strong guys who take his ass to court and throw him in prison and guard him at night.

04:54:04.800 And there has to be big, strong men around to guard you at night with guns from other men who might hurt you.

04:54:11.080 So, yeah, absent the force applicator, I don't see how it could ever work.

04:54:16.700 I can see what you're saying.

04:54:17.720 Here, I got one question.

04:54:18.920 I didn't really get, like, a straight answer on this.

04:54:21.620 So, what would be the equitable thing when it comes to the current state of the military, the draft?

04:54:32.480 I don't have a strong answer.

04:54:36.340 I would say that in the guise of the patriarchy, men, if they are, in fact, the superior force and they are viewed in their gender roles.

04:54:45.960 From the feminist worldview.

04:54:47.320 From the feminist worldview.

04:54:48.060 Because you said it was about equities.

04:54:49.320 Oh, oh, if I were to propose something to unoppress the men?

04:54:55.240 No, I'm just, let's assume that a draft is required.

04:54:59.660 Like, you can't get rid of a draft.

04:55:01.740 There is a draft, yeah.

04:55:03.040 Yeah, like, the United States has a draft.

04:55:06.680 Right, so, I mean, I don't know if I'm oversimplifying this, but, I mean, the immediate answer that comes to my mind is you would simply equalize the draft.

04:55:15.260 Women and men are subject to military conscription.

04:55:18.240 Right, that would be the automatic answer, would be that both men and women would be subject to being in the Army.

04:55:25.380 But under your whole thing with feminism being for equity, would that be equitable for both men and women to be subject to military conscription?

04:55:33.200 I would say not necessarily.

04:55:38.980 Also, you're taking the way that I defined feminism and you're creating this whole idea that I'm defending feminism to the ends of the earth under the guise of its definition as it exists now.

04:55:52.240 And that's not what I said.

04:55:53.300 I said that I was actually criticizing some of the elements of feminism.

04:55:57.200 I said I don't think it should be a comparative structure.

04:55:58.920 But I'm just a little bit confused, so, like, do you think that women should be allowed to vote?

04:56:07.400 Do I think that the sky is blue?

04:56:10.060 Of course I do.

04:56:11.060 Right, and I'm in favor of women voting, but it's interesting to me that you immediately say, yes, women should be allowed to vote, but you can't really give me a straight answer on if it's equitable for women to be subject to military conscription the same way that men are.

04:56:27.640 Well, I did tell you, I said that if men want to say that in a society, they are the ones that are the protectors, they're the providers, they're physically stronger.

04:56:37.580 Under feminism, we don't really say that, do we?

04:56:40.840 I wouldn't say that we do, because I think in feminism, people don't like to necessarily buy into evolutionary roles, because I would say that it's limiting.

04:56:49.400 I don't think that evolutionary roles are necessarily the way that we must live in society.

04:56:53.440 I think that's a little bit archaic, but, like, in some ways, I think that it is useful to look at it through that lens when we look at the innate strengths of men and women.

04:57:03.000 But the thing is that at this point in society, that's not, I wasn't put on this earth to make babies and cook at home or whatever, or be a gatherer, per se, and that men are going to be hunters.

04:57:13.880 That's not the way that I was raised, at least.

04:57:16.440 Were you put here to cure cancer?

04:57:21.440 No, I don't think I was born with...

04:57:22.900 No, but I think she has a point that then once we get to this point where women have our rights, we're educated, we're, you know, we've been as equal.

04:57:30.380 Well, hold on, hold on.

04:57:31.040 So if women weren't put here to be what?

04:57:35.100 Just say what you said again.

04:57:36.780 To be baby makers and gatherers.

04:57:39.720 Right, and men weren't put here to be disposable parts of the military-industrial complex and just be put through...

04:57:47.300 Define it in the same way, please.

04:57:48.460 Don't say that.

04:57:49.100 No, I'm being, I'm, to be just put through the meat grinder of war.

04:57:53.300 Well, if you were to parallel the logic you're saying, and you're saying women are baby makers and gatherers, men would be providers and hunters.

04:58:00.600 And protectors.

04:58:01.620 And part of that entailment...

04:58:03.280 I mean, hang on, hang on, but how can you say that they're not?

04:58:05.880 Men provide the food, overwhelmingly, they provide basically all of it, in fact.

04:58:11.040 Women provide almost none of it.

04:58:13.040 Men provide all the infrastructure.

04:58:14.480 How are they not providing and gathering?

04:58:16.260 Seems like that's exactly what they're doing.

04:58:19.000 What do you mean money-wise?

04:58:20.500 I don't know if that's in every household.

04:58:22.020 I don't know if that's true.

04:58:23.380 Now that feminism has, like...

04:58:25.400 Well, you can buy the food, but it's made by men.

04:58:30.240 Sure.

04:58:30.720 Like, they're in the farms and they're in the slaughterhouses?

04:58:32.860 Yeah, who do you think is making all the food?

04:58:34.840 Do you think there's a bunch of women out there with hoes and they're going, ooh, and they're hiking up the cabbage?

04:58:40.360 Like, what do you think is going on out there?

04:58:41.760 Well, not only is it majority men in agriculture, how do you get the food from point A to point B?

04:58:49.640 Men are overwhelmingly, for example, truck drivers.

04:58:53.440 I don't think that anyone has...

04:58:55.540 But let me double down a bit on this.

04:58:57.400 And then how do trucks run while they run on oil?

04:59:02.220 Men are overwhelmingly the ones who are, for example, in the oil industry.

04:59:08.340 Who takes care of your children?

04:59:10.260 I don't see how that's...

04:59:11.500 Well, generally, not their mother, unfortunately.

04:59:13.800 Well, you're looking at the things...

04:59:15.780 I'm going to answer your question.

04:59:18.160 Generally, the mother is not taking care of the children at home, which is the most optimal system,

04:59:22.960 because feminism has demanded that women go into the workplace in order to have these crazy social safety nets.

04:59:29.880 So we actually outsource the raising of our children to strangers.

04:59:32.960 That seems less than optimal to me.

04:59:35.440 But who are those caregivers typically?

04:59:37.440 Are they men or are they women?

04:59:38.480 Generally speaking, women are doing the same jobs that they've always done, yes.

04:59:43.600 So they're in teaching roles in service industry.

04:59:45.920 That's basically what they mostly do.

04:59:48.920 And I don't even see why there's necessarily a problem with that.

04:59:52.920 It's fine for your child, I guess, to go to school in kindergarten, have a kindergarten teacher.

04:59:58.800 But I think that outsourcing your child care for the purpose of you going to work is a less than optimal system.

05:00:05.520 That seems to be something which is far more oppressive to women than any of these systems that you've cited.

05:00:11.640 Well, this was a system designed by men, so maybe you should talk to the men about why women have to go and work.

05:00:16.180 It has not been.

05:00:17.160 Women, since they've had egalitarianism, have been able to vote on these systems

05:00:21.440 and have definitely had their input and have reformed how these systems operate absent patriarchy.

05:00:28.260 That's not true that women have no say now and that this is a patriarchal system.

05:00:32.320 So women, by and large, they vote almost as much as men do.

05:00:37.020 I wasn't talking about political power necessarily.

05:00:41.480 Well, I mean, even institutional power.

05:00:43.180 Even though, I mean, look at the ratio in Congress.

05:00:44.940 I mean, like, it's pretty obvious who's in power.

05:00:48.060 How is that obvious?

05:00:50.060 Just look at the numbers.

05:00:51.140 You love to look at numbers.

05:00:51.980 Yeah, but the systems themselves are not just designed by Congress, but by lobbyists, by women inside of educational systems.

05:01:00.320 There's all sorts of pull and thrust because now women are political pawns because they can vote, right?

05:01:08.520 Sure.

05:01:09.200 I guess you could say that.

05:01:10.560 I wouldn't reduce women down to political pawns.

05:01:14.120 Well, I mean, but your overlords in Congress would, wouldn't they?

05:01:18.420 They would, wouldn't they?

05:01:19.740 Yeah, they would.

05:01:20.680 They would.

05:01:21.160 So that's how they are viewed, men and women, as just being a demographic of voting pawns.

05:01:27.920 Are men political pawns in the same way, yet they have to go into the draft?

05:01:33.160 Yeah, men have also been political pawns.

05:01:35.920 That's correct.

05:01:36.460 But when it comes to the draft, there's no real way around it because you cannot have a fighting force, which is equipped by mostly not men, and have it be effective.

05:01:46.920 There's no good way around that.

05:01:48.800 Well, then how is it oppression, to your point?

05:01:50.220 What do you mean?

05:01:51.480 Well, it would be oppression because there's no additional privilege that comes with the expectation, whereas in the reverse, that would never be the case.

05:01:59.480 What sort of privilege do you think that women would have absent an expectation?

05:02:04.280 I'd love to know what it is.

05:02:05.340 Can you give me an example?

05:02:07.760 Yeah, like men have to go and get drafted and go fight in wars.

05:02:14.160 Women do not.

05:02:15.440 What is the privilege that men get for having that responsibility?

05:02:19.440 What's the privilege that women get for bearing the children, getting to stay at home?

05:02:24.700 The government doesn't force you to get pregnant.

05:02:26.860 First of all, first of all, hang on, I'll just answer directly.

05:02:29.880 Yeah, that seems like a huge privilege.

05:02:33.320 Okay, well, I'll take my privilege and you can go out on the battlefield as a man.

05:02:37.420 Okay, so I guess all that equity was just bullshit.

05:02:41.720 I didn't say that.

05:02:43.580 Well, then I thought that's what we wanted was equity.

05:02:46.320 Does it sound like we have that tall box so that we have that equity that you're talking about so we can both see over the same fence?

05:02:53.840 Look, I'm not saying that the draft would be probably one of the more contentious points that you could bring up when you talk about gender roles.

05:03:02.700 I don't want to bring up reproductive rights because I know that y'all would love to destroy me on that one.

05:03:07.200 But women die in childbirth and also child rearing is rare.

05:03:11.540 They die after abortions too.

05:03:14.320 Okay, respectfully, I'm not going to get into that whole thing.

05:03:16.860 My point is that child rearing is not, I would say that the roles that women take in society are not necessarily as valued as the roles that men take.

05:03:26.780 Why should they be?

05:03:28.600 What do you mean?

05:03:30.400 I just asked you a direct question.

05:03:32.200 You said that women's value in society is not as valuable as men.

05:03:36.720 Why should it be?

05:03:37.880 That's the case that it is.

05:03:39.160 And under the eyes of equity, it should be.

05:03:42.240 Yeah, but you just got done saying you don't care about equity because men need to go fight for equity.

05:03:45.960 I never said that I didn't care.

05:03:48.120 Well, then I don't understand.

05:03:49.260 If it's a privilege for you to stay at home but not a privilege for me to fight a war, how's that equity?

05:03:54.300 I don't think that it's an innate privilege for me to get to stay at home.

05:03:57.280 In that context, I could have the privilege of my safety.

05:04:00.240 You don't.

05:04:00.980 But you have the privilege of walking home at night and not being afraid that you're going to get attacked.

05:04:04.900 Hang on, hang on.

05:04:05.500 How is it not a privilege to have somebody else providing for you while you stay at home?

05:04:09.760 Because I'm raising kids and so they're providing?

05:04:15.660 What if you're not raising kids?

05:04:17.020 Well, if I'm not, then sure, then I should go be a productive member of society.

05:04:21.520 Okay, so is that equity?

05:04:23.840 Because if you're staying at home and your hubby's taking care of you and he can be drafted and you cannot be drafted, how's that equity?

05:04:31.120 Because there's other responsibilities that I would have as a woman.

05:04:36.720 What?

05:04:38.340 Well, under the societal structure, if you're saying that that's the expectation, I'm not saying that women should have to go and be child bearers if they don't want to.

05:04:48.980 But if you're going to look at the patriarchy and you're going to analyze gender roles to try to justify the draft or whatever it is, then...

05:04:56.020 Yeah, but how is it not a privilege, again, back to the question, how is it not a privilege for you to be able to stay at home and raise no children at all and he is still subject to the draft and you are not?

05:05:06.860 How are you not privileged and how is that equitable in any way?

05:05:11.940 Well, women can still go to war.

05:05:14.240 They're just not obligated to.

05:05:16.620 Yeah, so that wouldn't be equity.

05:05:18.140 So, well, let me finish.

05:05:20.720 You're right.

05:05:21.560 Under this argument, that would be the case.

05:05:23.560 But I just, like, I don't know.

05:05:27.020 You're right.

05:05:27.560 I have a hard time with this one because you are subjecting men and not women.

05:05:31.240 But the thing is that who created the draft?

05:05:35.320 I'm pretty sure that it was men.

05:05:36.980 Like, why were they not subjecting women to the draft earlier?

05:05:40.460 There's all the feminists demanding that it go away.

05:05:41.480 But why were they not subjecting women to the draft earlier then?

05:05:44.180 Because women are over in the workforce.

05:05:45.720 Because women are ineffective soldiers.

05:05:49.180 Okay, well, then go be an effective soldier.

05:05:51.380 Let me add another argument to that.

05:05:53.920 So, on a macro level, for example, if a society were to send large swaths of young, fit women, able-bodied women to war, let's say it's, you know, civilization.

05:06:10.600 Women, you need women to be able to perpetuate the population.

05:06:15.340 So, a man can impregnate a thousand women, but a woman can only be pregnant with one child at any given time.

05:06:24.880 So, on the macro level, it does make sense from that component.

05:06:28.640 Like, if the society is like, okay, we're going to send 20 to 30, 40, 50 percent of our able-bodied work, citizenry, and that same cohort of people, if it was women, would be the most fertile, too.

05:06:42.100 So, at least from a historical perspective, from that sense, it would make more sense to send men.

05:06:51.100 Because you'd be better able to replenish the population of a society.

05:06:55.680 And so, with that logic, then, is it innately just a privilege for women to not be subject to that, given your logic that men would be more effective?

05:07:05.020 Not anymore.

05:07:05.840 Right, well, then, yeah.

05:07:07.820 Yeah, how would it not be?

05:07:09.440 How would it not be that you're privileged just because you cannot form a task as effective as somebody else, therefore you get some bonus that they don't get?

05:07:18.080 That's the opposite of equity.

05:07:22.600 I see what you're saying.

05:07:24.940 I still don't agree that it's innately a privilege because you're kind of going with this logic that-

05:07:30.120 It's the opposite of equity.

05:07:31.640 How could it be anything other than the opposite of equity to say, because you cannot perform the task as well, that, therefore, these people do, but it's equitable because of that?

05:07:41.200 That makes no sense.

05:07:43.060 Because, in your view, society would be upheld in that sense because you're not sending-

05:07:49.140 Yeah, but I'm a patriarchist.

05:07:50.600 You're the feminist.

05:07:52.400 In my view, yes.

05:07:53.360 Well, you're pitting us against each other in a way that's really just not productive.

05:07:56.200 Like, I'm trying to understand what you're saying, and you're just trying to make it wrong.

05:07:58.760 Well, I'm going to explain it to you so that you understand.

05:08:00.760 So, it's fine for you to do an internal critique.

05:08:04.260 I'm fine with that.

05:08:05.680 But I'm doing one as well.

05:08:07.800 My worldview is that I believe in patriarchy.

05:08:11.160 I'm a patriarchist.

05:08:12.620 So, I believe that men deserve to have additional privileges that women do not deserve to have because of the force applicator society relies on that men bring to the table.

05:08:21.840 You, as the feminists, believe instead that there should be equity between both sexes.

05:08:26.680 That's fine.

05:08:27.560 You can say that you believe that there should be equity.

05:08:29.660 But when I show you a significant problem where equity really can't exist, you just kind of shrug it off.

05:08:36.960 And I don't really understand that.

05:08:38.120 Well, so you think that, and I really hate the idea that we're going to pigeonhole women to just being childbears.

05:08:44.860 I think they contribute a lot more to society than just that.

05:08:47.000 Well, who else can do it?

05:08:48.360 You're right.

05:08:48.600 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

05:08:49.880 They can't produce anything more valuable than children.

05:08:52.100 Well, yeah.

05:08:52.320 So, if you want to talk about the things that are really special to women, really special to men, then you could boil it down to that if you want to simplify it.

05:08:58.780 But I think that this idea that women get the privilege of safety, the women get the privilege of safety, but also there's a variety of tasks that would be required of them if they were to be raising children.

05:09:11.920 Yeah, but the government does not compel any given woman to have children.

05:09:16.820 You could go through your entire life and just choose to never have children.

05:09:22.480 That's actually not true.

05:09:23.680 Depending on the state you live in, if you're – what states may force you – there's a lot of states that have –

05:09:30.520 You're talking about boys.

05:09:32.260 She's saying that there are states that won't allow you to afford –

05:09:34.920 If she got that saying.

05:09:36.180 Yeah, that's true.

05:09:36.920 But the states did not force you to open your legs.

05:09:39.880 I just think that it's funny that the way you're looking at brute force and – or what is it called?

05:09:44.980 Force application?

05:09:46.140 And men sacrificing their lives and their safety to go to war, but you're not viewing women's role in the same way.

05:09:54.000 You're not looking at it that men get the privilege to not be responsible for children and the upkeep of the family.

05:10:01.360 How do they get the privilege of not being responsible?

05:10:03.580 If you have a child tomorrow with a man, he's going to be responsible.

05:10:07.660 Because you would be at war.

05:10:07.880 Because you would be providing.

05:10:08.620 Hang on, hang on.

05:10:09.940 I'm going to explain so that you understand, because I'll look at it through your worldview.

05:10:14.640 Tomorrow, if you got pregnant in a state where abortion was legal, does a man have any say at all on whether or not you abort?

05:10:25.780 In California, no.

05:10:27.120 No, he does not.

05:10:29.440 So if you have a child that is 100% your choice absent him, but he is still responsible, based on your choice, for rearing the child or not rearing the child.

05:10:41.700 So even if you choose to have the kid, he still has to pay child support.

05:10:45.880 Nobody's letting him off the hook.

05:10:47.660 Look, that does sound like it's equity, because it's based on your choice.

05:10:51.840 In this case, this is compelled.

05:10:53.900 This is not based on choice.

05:10:55.800 So if that is true, and you do not have that, I do not understand how that could be equitable.

05:11:00.600 Well, I don't think that, first of all, I would say that California would be more progressive in that sense, in terms of the feminist agenda, per se, if that's how you want to put it.

05:11:11.000 In other states, that's not necessarily the case.

05:11:13.760 In other states, women are not allowed to have an abortion freely, in the same way that people...

05:11:19.540 They could travel to another state.

05:11:22.260 Well, wouldn't you say that that's not really...

05:11:24.300 But even then, okay, hang on, hang on.

05:11:25.980 Even then, though, right, in all of the states where abortion is legal, does a man have a say in whether or not a woman can have one or not?

05:11:35.580 They're the ones that are making the laws, typically, and they are restricting women's access to abortion.

05:11:40.700 No, they're not.

05:11:41.600 Women also make laws and vote on laws.

05:11:44.520 Yeah, and I'm not for those women.

05:11:46.480 I don't know where you get the idea that it's all men who are voting on these laws.

05:11:48.440 They most certainly are not.

05:11:49.660 It's women in the context of the patriarchy, though.

05:11:51.680 Might as well be a man at that point.

05:11:53.400 Okay, so even if it's the patriarchy who is giving you abortion rights, we'll just grant it for the sake of argument,

05:12:00.560 is there a single state which you can be in that has abortion which is legalized where a man can tell you,

05:12:07.880 no, you can't go abort that child?

05:12:10.480 A male citizen could not directly prevent me from getting an abortion under the guise of the law.

05:12:15.520 So then it's going to be your choice.

05:12:17.620 And if it's going to be your choice and the man is still held responsible for child support, this type of thing,

05:12:23.260 that at least sounds like it has, even from your worldview, equity.

05:12:27.380 But how in the world can you say that there's equity in a draft?

05:12:30.680 How could that be equitable?

05:12:31.780 I'm not going to repeat myself because clearly my argument to you is not compelling.

05:12:38.600 I can move things on a little bit here.

05:12:43.060 It's just interesting to me.

05:12:44.600 It would be so easy to just say, yeah, equality would be both men and women being subject to military conscription,

05:12:50.320 but it seems like you aren't really prepared to propose that.

05:12:57.040 That's why I use the word equity instead.

05:13:01.040 And you don't have to be for that.

05:13:03.780 And the whole point of equity is that you're not equal in every context.

05:13:08.860 That's the whole point.

05:13:09.680 And so in the context of force application, men and women are not equal.

05:13:12.900 You said it yourself.

05:13:14.660 So to each according to their own and from each according to what they can give?

05:13:20.720 That's not what you said.

05:13:22.840 Is that what you mean by equity?

05:13:28.440 In terms of gender roles or like on the basis of individual differences?

05:13:33.360 Gender roles.

05:13:37.040 Yes, I guess.

05:13:37.860 Do you want to repeat it, Andrew, one more time?

05:13:39.400 So communism?

05:13:42.680 I don't put words in my mouth.

05:13:44.120 That's not what I said.

05:13:44.760 No, that's literally what that is.

05:13:47.620 To each according to what they can give and from each according to what they can give.

05:13:53.300 That's communism.

05:13:56.020 Literally.

05:13:56.760 I think you're oversimplifying my argument.

05:13:59.380 That's Marxist doctrine.

05:14:00.120 I mean, it's not verbatim.

05:14:02.340 I'm paraphrasing it.

05:14:03.200 But that's Marxist doctrine.

05:14:05.780 Any tankies at the table?

05:14:10.400 I would love to hear from the women that seem that they're...

05:14:12.280 Any communists at the table?

05:14:13.560 I do feel like there's...

05:14:15.440 It's really hard to know.

05:14:16.840 Like, we can only be one gender.

05:14:18.540 So it's very hard to know what it's...

05:14:19.420 Hang on. I just want to read this verbatim.

05:14:20.620 From each according to his ability to each according to his needs.

05:14:25.020 That sounds like exactly what you're saying.

05:14:26.900 So from each according to his ability, in this case, men have the ability to be the applicators of force.

05:14:33.140 And so you think it's equitable that they fight your wars.

05:14:35.720 To each according to their needs, in this case, you need to be protected.

05:14:38.620 And so men need to protect you.

05:14:40.280 Right?

05:14:41.060 I didn't say any of that.

05:14:42.660 Let me ask you a question.

05:14:43.780 Would you...

05:14:44.560 I think you did, but...

05:14:46.280 Would you prefer...

05:14:47.840 For your agenda, I did.

05:14:49.900 Would you prefer...

05:14:50.440 Well, I mean, you agree.

05:14:51.340 You literally said yes.

05:14:53.080 I asked you the question.

05:14:54.160 I mean, I paraphrased it.

05:14:55.360 That's true.

05:14:55.740 Andrew, I didn't say that I was a communist.

05:14:57.480 I never said that.

05:14:58.180 You're trying to prove I was a communist to, what, being an antagonizer?

05:15:01.820 Like, I'm not a communist.

05:15:02.540 Okay, hold on, hold on.

05:15:02.960 No, no, I'm just...

05:15:03.600 Okay, well, let me just ask you.

05:15:05.080 From each according to his ability, in this case, you say, under gender, that men have the ability to do this.

05:15:12.500 And so they should.

05:15:14.300 Right?

05:15:15.100 I don't agree with the idea that you should take all men in America and schlep them off to whatever country...

05:15:21.740 Again, all men in the U.S. are subject to the selective service.

05:15:24.720 Do the draft.

05:15:25.300 Well, isn't that a big fat bummer?

05:15:28.060 It's interesting that you can be so flippant about something as serious as this, especially given the fact...

05:15:34.340 You guys have been interrogating me for, like, 20 minutes.

05:15:36.620 Yeah, and I also feel like men and women don't know what it's like to be each other.

05:15:40.240 So it's like...

05:15:40.860 All right.

05:15:41.140 I mean, you're coming at her so hard.

05:15:44.280 Like, she doesn't know what it's like to be a man.

05:15:46.740 I don't see how...

05:15:47.840 I don't see how...

05:15:48.560 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

05:15:49.500 I don't see how that's relevant at all.

05:15:53.420 Well, can I explain?

05:15:54.600 Yeah.

05:15:55.040 The way I feel like it's relevant is because you guys never answered, like, what's patriarchy to you?

05:15:59.640 Because I don't...

05:16:00.560 Okay, no, no, no, no, no.

05:16:01.100 Hold on, hold on, no, no, no, no, no.

05:16:02.620 Hold on.

05:16:03.000 Let's stay focused here.

05:16:04.040 So, okay.

05:16:05.240 Just one question.

05:16:06.180 When it comes to the preferred economic model that you would like, currently we have a capitalist system.

05:16:12.100 Would you prefer a socialist or a communist system?

05:16:18.040 How is that saying relevant?

05:16:19.600 I don't think any of us could have a saying because, like, I've never experienced anything but capitalism.

05:16:26.200 It's related to equity.

05:16:27.000 I haven't studied much of them either, so I personally do not have a...

05:16:29.680 Well, I was kind of just asking her if you want to just give a quick answer.

05:16:34.040 Sorry.

05:16:35.640 No, it's okay.

05:16:36.500 I didn't want to answer.

05:16:37.480 You want me to say whether or not I would prefer a different economic model opposed to capitalism?

05:16:44.280 Yeah, besides capitalism, so either, I guess, socialism or communism.

05:16:50.660 I would say that it's not realistic for there to be another economic model on the global stage.

05:16:58.760 So you're talking, like, smaller communes type thing?

05:17:01.340 Like a small commune?

05:17:03.340 Like a 500-person commune?

05:17:05.020 I just told you, I think...

05:17:09.480 You said on the global stage.

05:17:11.960 Oh, so if we were not, if the world had not been globalized.

05:17:14.800 So, like, maybe U.S.

05:17:16.100 What do you think U.S. should be?

05:17:18.100 Should it stay capitalism?

05:17:19.780 Should it change to socialism, communism?

05:17:22.500 I mean, I think that there's a lot of problems with capitalism.

05:17:29.180 Sure.

05:17:30.260 But there's problems with communism as well.

05:17:33.560 Absolutely, but would you prefer that model, either socialism or communism, over capitalism?

05:17:39.100 As someone who benefits from capitalism, no.

05:17:41.360 Anybody else here would prefer a different model?

05:17:45.640 You can give me a yes or no.

05:17:47.140 I mean, we don't have to linger.

05:17:48.200 Anybody?

05:17:51.860 Okay.

05:17:52.440 Just a couple things here.

05:17:53.780 So you did mention one thing about men don't have to feel scared when they're walking alone at night.

05:17:59.940 This actually isn't true.

05:18:01.660 One, this is just proved by statistics.

05:18:05.480 Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.

05:18:07.640 And then in addition to that, men can absolutely feel scared to walk alone.

05:18:13.240 So you brought that up earlier as a sort of a counterpoint of, well, I feel, women feel, scared to walk alone at night.

05:18:20.880 I mean, I'm sure men get jumped more than women would, like, walking alone out in public.

05:18:28.720 Okay, sure.

05:18:29.600 I'm honestly sick of arguing about this, to be frank.

05:18:33.180 So you can take the floor if you want to speak on that.

05:18:35.760 Okay.

05:18:36.040 Well, I mean, I just wanted to give you a little counterpoint there because you did mention that as a rebuttal to, I forgot precisely what he said, but you mentioned, I think it was, I'm trying to think exactly what you were doing it in rebuttal to, but.

05:18:50.540 So you just wanted to argue about my point then?

05:18:53.320 Well, you were using that argument, and I just want to point out that men can also feel scared walking alone at night.

05:18:59.280 I didn't, I didn't say that men couldn't, you're continuing to lie in this comparison.

05:19:06.180 I didn't say that men, just because women feel scared at night, doesn't mean that men can't, but somehow to you, it's offensive for us as women to say that we, that we, you seem like maybe you're offended.

05:19:18.140 No, I'm not offended, but there's this idea that, that you think that men just move through the world, like very blasé and infallible, when actually we have just as the same concerns as you.

05:19:28.820 I hear the argument that I said about how I think that there's a lot of societal pressures that men face, you're acting like I just said that men get it easy and that there's no problems.

05:19:36.540 I didn't say that.

05:19:37.580 But this is a, this is a common argument I hear of, well, us women, we're scared to walk alone at night, which, which would indicate to me that you're doing a comparison argument.

05:19:48.560 That's, I wouldn't necessarily say that.

05:19:50.720 What you got?

05:19:51.680 No, it's fine.

05:19:52.620 No, say it, just say it really quick.

05:19:53.780 I'm not going to linger on this one for too long.

05:19:55.180 No, it's just the fact that we're afraid to go out at night because of men, the same way that you're mentioning that men are scared to walk alone at night, also because of men.

05:20:02.960 Okay.

05:20:03.240 Like, the men are scared of the men.

05:20:05.000 We're scared of the men.

05:20:06.380 We're not scared of all men.

05:20:07.680 We're scared of just the dangerous men, the possibility that it's a dangerous man.

05:20:11.920 That's that.

05:20:12.380 Okay, so sure, but it's a very small proportion of men who tend to perpetuate these violent crimes.

05:20:23.360 Very small percentage.

05:20:24.100 So then why are you men scared of men then?

05:20:25.620 Yeah, especially if you're in the patriarchy and you're the ones on top, like, why are you scared?

05:20:30.840 Okay.

05:20:32.320 A victim is a victim, no matter the sex of the perpetrator.

05:20:36.080 So we can always point to, but, oh, it's men's fault.

05:20:38.860 It's kind of irrelevant.

05:20:39.940 If I get stabbed or shot, the perpetrator of the crime, because I share genitalia with them, it ultimately, I'm no less stabbed or no less shot.

05:20:51.760 So it's kind of this sort of derailment of the actual conversation.

05:20:56.720 You know, it's just, are victims less victimized, depending on the perpetrators of the sex?

05:21:01.660 I would argue no.

05:21:03.180 I just wanted to point out that men also can fear being alone, walking alone at night.

05:21:13.920 I don't think that you needed a stage to say that.

05:21:18.960 Everyone feels fear.

05:21:20.380 Okay, sure.

05:21:20.560 I'm not trying to take away from your male experience, but here I am talking about my female experience, and you're questioning it.

05:21:25.400 I'm not questioning your female experience.

05:21:28.060 No, but you did question that very same experience by using your statement of, like, oh, men get scared at night, too, and then that's when I said the word of men, and then your point kind of went everywhere.

05:21:39.280 You're trying to paint it as if this is, like, a solely or primarily female concern, when it, as far as we're, if we're talking about violent crime, men are just as likely, if not more, to be victims of violent crime than women.

05:21:55.220 Well, can there not be concerns on the basis of gender?

05:21:59.220 I suppose, but this idea that...

05:22:01.160 You seem to have a big one with the draft.

05:22:03.660 What do you mean?

05:22:04.260 You have this whole argument about the draft, and you're saying that that would be a concern on the basis of gender.

05:22:10.500 And I'm here saying that my safety as a woman at night, I was speaking for myself and women, and I said that statement.

05:22:17.300 And you're here saying that I was essentially trying to make it a female issue, and that for some reason that was somehow...

05:22:23.800 Well, your risk of violent crime at night is not increased by virtue of you being a woman, whereas your chance of being drafted as a man is exclusive to the man.

05:22:34.260 Male gender.

05:22:35.460 Yeah, so there are issues that are on the basis of gender.

05:22:39.880 Sure.

05:22:40.840 But women walking alone at night isn't an issue based on gender.

05:22:44.820 There's an issue with equity, right?

05:22:46.680 I would argue that it is, and you can tell me otherwise.

05:22:49.260 Okay.

05:22:49.440 Moving on from that, a couple people were saying, but men, who are the ones who send people to war?

05:22:55.800 Who are the ones who initiate drafts?

05:22:57.180 And I would actually make the argument, they've done research on this, so they actually analyzed the compared, for example, monarchs.

05:23:05.860 They compared male monarchs to female monarchs, and they actually found that queens were actually more likely to wage war than their male counterparts.

05:23:14.300 So this idea that if we found ourselves under a matriarchy, or we found ourselves governed by women, that the world would somehow be more peaceful, or there would not be war is dubious at best, given the fact that female monarchs throughout history waged war more than kings.

05:23:33.120 So I just wanted to bring that up.

05:23:36.240 I did want to go around the table really quick on this.

05:23:38.280 We were talking really quickly about strength.

05:23:40.240 I don't suspect there will be, well, we'll see.

05:23:43.480 This is related to the whole warfare thing.

05:23:46.700 Generally speaking, are men stronger than women?

05:23:50.760 Yeah, that's scientifically fact.

05:23:53.060 On a biological basis, yes.

05:23:54.740 Sure.

05:23:55.740 Well, what do you mean, sure?

05:23:57.000 I'll just agree with it.

05:23:58.820 No, no, no.

05:23:59.460 Yes.

05:23:59.920 Don't just agree, just because you think it's what I want to hear.

05:24:02.940 What do you actually think?

05:24:04.260 Yeah.

05:24:05.640 Does anybody feel like that's not...

05:24:09.080 Sounds like you just want to argue with her.

05:24:11.760 No, but I want people to answer honestly.

05:24:15.300 Yeah.

05:24:16.680 Okay.

05:24:17.260 All right.

05:24:17.540 If that's your honest answer, okay.

05:24:19.260 Physically.

05:24:20.020 Yeah, that's, I mean, yes, physically.

05:24:21.880 Yes.

05:24:22.540 Yes.

05:24:23.340 Yes.

05:24:24.460 Yeah.

05:24:25.340 Yes.

05:24:25.900 Men are superior.

05:24:27.520 Okay.

05:24:28.180 All right.

05:24:28.940 We hit a couple things there.

05:24:30.300 I do actually, you know, still on the war thing.

05:24:33.340 Who are the primary?

05:24:34.700 Here we go.

05:24:35.840 Who are the primary victims of war?

05:24:39.860 Men or women?

05:24:41.300 Who are the primary victims of war?

05:24:44.600 Men or women?

05:24:45.560 Starting with you.

05:24:46.500 If you're talking about, like, who's fighting, then obviously men.

05:24:50.760 Because that's, like, who's fighting.

05:24:52.920 Right.

05:24:53.540 Although you could, look, both men and women can be victims of war.

05:24:59.180 But I'm asking, who's the primary victim of war, men or women?

05:25:04.980 So...

05:25:05.340 I'm sorry.

05:25:06.360 It's late.

05:25:06.940 It's getting loopy in here.

05:25:07.460 That's fine.

05:25:08.000 What about you?

05:25:09.360 Are you asking a comparative question to say that one has it better than the other?

05:25:13.780 No, I'm just asking, who is the primary victim of war, men or women?

05:25:16.860 I don't think that it should be on the basis of gender, but statistically, I think more

05:25:27.040 men die in war.

05:25:29.340 Okay.

05:25:29.780 So they would be the primary victims, then?

05:25:32.020 I think victim has a certain agenda that underlies it, but...

05:25:36.820 Let's say you're killed.

05:25:37.660 Are you a victim?

05:25:40.480 What's so funny about that?

05:25:42.000 Well, I mean...

05:25:44.860 Just don't worry about it.

05:25:46.400 Okay.

05:25:47.440 Like, yes.

05:25:49.900 Sure.

05:25:51.120 Do men die in war?

05:25:52.220 I think that this idea that men are victims of war is kind of funny, considering that...

05:25:57.160 Funny?

05:25:57.620 Okay.

05:25:57.860 It's funny to me because, in my opinion, the perpetrators of the war end up being whoever

05:26:04.600 the...

05:26:05.000 Whatever the gender is, end up...

05:26:07.300 Everyone else who is subject to that decision ends up being the people that are victims.

05:26:11.900 I don't think that it's just one sex.

05:26:15.540 Well, he's not saying that, like, it's just one sex that's victims.

05:26:19.220 We're...

05:26:19.500 Like, they can all be victims, but who would be more victim, if that makes sense?

05:26:25.460 Can I ask you a question?

05:26:26.220 So let's look at World War I, World War II, just within the United States purview of those

05:26:30.420 two conflicts.

05:26:31.700 For World War I, World War II, who were the primary victims of war for those conflicts of

05:26:38.640 the United States population?

05:26:40.200 On the basis of who died.

05:26:46.080 So men or women?

05:26:48.720 I don't know the statistics, but I think that more men died.

05:26:52.580 Okay.

05:26:54.560 I'm just a little...

05:26:55.640 Okay, so...

05:26:56.560 You said it was funny that we're painting men as victims when it comes to war.

05:27:06.820 Could you explain that a little better?

05:27:08.240 I don't know if anyone else wants to speak on this.

05:27:12.360 I mean, when was the last draft?

05:27:14.860 Vietnam.

05:27:15.920 And how long ago was that?

05:27:17.920 Well, I'll paint it this way.

05:27:20.240 When it comes to the Vietnam War, there are men that would still be alive today that aren't

05:27:25.560 because they got drafted.

05:27:26.980 And there are men that are alive today that were drafted who have substantial injuries,

05:27:33.140 who were maimed, who lost limbs, who have post-traumatic stress disorder, who developed probably

05:27:38.600 drug addictions because of either what they saw, who are homeless, et cetera, et cetera.

05:27:44.060 So, yes, even today in the United States, I can give you a more recent conflict.

05:27:48.860 If we look at the Ukraine War, for example, so every single woman in the country, if they

05:27:52.880 wanted to, could leave.

05:27:54.260 They could leave the country.

05:27:56.700 They could leave Ukraine.

05:27:57.480 Actually, we got a Ukrainian here.

05:27:59.580 So all men, between the ages of, I believe, 18 to 60 or 65, I forget the exact number, no

05:28:06.160 men could leave the country.

05:28:08.100 Most men were enlisted in the war effort, drafted into the war effort.

05:28:14.620 All women could leave.

05:28:15.980 That's an example of a modern conflict where there was a draft.

05:28:21.800 So, yeah.

05:28:23.320 I hear you.

05:28:23.940 Forced military conscription, still a thing.

05:28:26.180 Can I just say one thing?

05:28:27.180 Go ahead.

05:28:27.320 I think what she was trying to say is the poor man dies for the rich man's war, being

05:28:32.320 that men are still kind of pushing the war and the ones dying.

05:28:35.880 So all in all, they are more victim.

05:28:38.160 So wouldn't that have more to do with, it's not that it's a man, it's a rich person.

05:28:44.880 So that's not about gender.

05:28:46.640 That's now about class.

05:28:48.120 Yeah.

05:28:48.440 So, yeah.

05:28:49.040 Social economic status.

05:28:50.340 Yeah.

05:28:51.600 Go ahead.

05:28:52.000 I don't want to take away from veterans because I think that I have a lot of respect and I

05:29:00.560 don't want to belittle the sacrifice that they made for their country.

05:29:06.420 I will say, how many holidays do we have to commemorate the men that went to war?

05:29:12.800 You're right.

05:29:13.400 We should have more.

05:29:14.940 Wait, what's your point?

05:29:17.600 I'm just saying you're acting like this is some type of sacrifice that's gone unacknowledged.

05:29:23.500 Do you think all those men who died, they're...

05:29:28.420 Do you get to take Veterans Day off?

05:29:33.160 I do.

05:29:34.380 Thanks to the men.

05:29:35.460 But you're not a veteran, right?

05:29:37.660 I'm not.

05:29:38.880 So it's not just acknowledging veterans then?

05:29:41.780 Everybody gets to partake?

05:29:45.040 Yes.

05:29:45.480 Wait, do you think the contribution...

05:29:47.480 Is there a Women's History Month?

05:29:50.000 There is.

05:29:50.820 Hold on.

05:29:51.420 Do you think that the...

05:29:52.120 Yeah, is there a Veterans History Month?

05:29:54.840 Is there...

05:29:55.800 No, but it's not about quantifying the amount of time that we think about it.

05:30:00.500 Is it really?

05:30:01.500 Well, I don't...

05:30:02.320 That seemed to be your argument.

05:30:03.760 Was that...

05:30:04.160 That wasn't my argument.

05:30:04.940 Hey, we're...

05:30:05.700 Well, it did seem to be that, you know, but we set aside days to remember them.

05:30:10.940 My point is that...

05:30:12.320 Isn't that a quantification of time?

05:30:13.580 I took it as...

05:30:14.440 It sounds like you were saying that the sacrifice that men make for their country goes unacknowledged.

05:30:20.020 The sacrifice that they are obligated to make.

05:30:21.840 That's not my argument.

05:30:22.900 Okay, what were you saying?

05:30:23.520 But I'm not sure if, like, the fact that there's a couple of holidays is...

05:30:32.520 I don't know how that's really relevant to the conversation at hand.

05:30:39.760 Maybe it's not.

05:30:40.840 I took it as you were kind of suggesting that the sacrifice that men make goes unacknowledged

05:30:47.740 or that it's undervalued or that their sacrifice that they make is...

05:30:50.740 It doesn't seem to be undervalued, yeah.

05:30:52.700 Sure, I think that in some ways it is, but that it was somehow proportionally worse.

05:30:56.740 It doesn't sound like it's very equitable.

05:30:58.240 Proportionally worse.

05:30:58.600 How come women's history gets a whole month?

05:31:02.840 I don't know.

05:31:03.500 I didn't make the rules about who...

05:31:05.620 About why we get a whole month.

05:31:06.360 Do you think that women's history should get a whole month?

05:31:09.000 I think there's a lot of history there, and the rest of history is man's.

05:31:13.100 Well, this was...

05:31:14.000 Wait a second.

05:31:16.160 That's weird.

05:31:16.740 What do you mean?

05:31:17.760 Isn't history just history?

05:31:22.600 Yes.

05:31:23.700 I think that there's history that is relevant to women.

05:31:26.800 I'm not going to sit here and say that women's history months should or should not exist

05:31:32.180 or if we should just get one day or if we should get one month.

05:31:36.260 I'm not saying...

05:31:36.980 Is there a men's history month?

05:31:38.380 No.

05:31:38.760 Why would there be?

05:31:40.240 I mean, why wouldn't there be if there's a women's history month?

05:31:43.740 Equity, right?

05:31:44.100 It doesn't sound like it's very equitable.

05:31:45.660 I don't think that under the guise of equity, men need a whole month.

05:31:49.740 I don't think under the guise of equity that women need a whole month.

05:31:52.360 What do you need it for?

05:31:54.060 I didn't make women's history month.

05:31:55.580 I don't know why you're asking me.

05:31:56.280 I know, but you just said that you would keep it, right?

05:31:59.760 I don't have really strong opinions on women's history month.

05:32:02.700 I just was born a woman.

05:32:04.900 Okay.

05:32:05.540 So you had an issue with me framing men being involved in warfare as them being victims of warfare.

05:32:18.460 Like you said, saying that men are victims of war is a funny frame.

05:32:24.040 I don't know.

05:32:24.580 I don't want to put words in your mouth.

05:32:25.540 You said it was funny or something.

05:32:31.360 Originally, I did.

05:32:32.240 Jeremy donated $200.

05:32:35.020 Seriously?

05:32:36.300 22 veterans each day self-delete.

05:32:39.500 There are 17 million veterans in the history of the USA,

05:32:43.140 and you want to reduce our sacrifice to two days per year.

05:32:47.000 Let's go.

05:32:48.180 Let's be equitable.

05:32:49.040 I would argue that the contribution of the veterans goes well beyond just us now having a couple holidays or whatever.

05:32:59.740 A year.

05:33:00.560 Thank you, Jeremy.

05:33:01.160 Appreciate your message.

05:33:01.820 I'm going to read one more, and then we have a few more chats, but I will get back to it really quick.

05:33:05.660 David says, back $69 BMGA and respect.

05:33:09.140 This is a dating show.

05:33:09.880 Be nice, people, please.

05:33:10.760 I've been to Kiev and dated to Ukraine.

05:33:12.820 Question is, Xmas or NYE?

05:33:14.300 Bigger deal there?

05:33:15.280 Best to all.

05:33:15.820 Crack me up.

05:33:17.060 Xmas or NYE?

05:33:18.420 Bigger deal in Ukraine?

05:33:19.280 I think overall New Year's is, but if you're religious, then Christmas for sure.

05:33:25.600 Okay.

05:33:25.980 Yeah.

05:33:26.760 New Year's is actually, Christmas is actually after New Year's in Ukraine.

05:33:31.360 Okay.

05:33:31.940 Just going around the table, I don't think I got everybody's answer on this.

05:33:35.260 Who's the primary victim of war, men or women?

05:33:39.380 Everybody.

05:33:40.500 Children, men, women, everybody.

05:33:42.480 Wait, I'm trying to remember if, everybody's, no, but who's the, okay.

05:33:49.600 Who's the primary victim of war?

05:33:51.640 Men die more, because they're in the front lines.

05:33:53.960 Okay.

05:33:56.020 Sorry, I was just asking if you had to choose one, because initially you said everybody.

05:33:59.980 Yeah.

05:34:00.680 I still think everybody suffers.

05:34:02.820 Big Sas Energy donated $200.

05:34:06.060 As a Marine combat vet who has seen the all the death, F a holiday,

05:34:10.480 I'd much rather the women of this country submit and both genders can commit to their biological gender roles.

05:34:17.460 It's inevitable.

05:34:18.240 All right, Big Sas Energy.

05:34:19.880 There you go.

05:34:20.660 Oh, she agrees with you.

05:34:21.740 There you go.

05:34:22.420 There you go, Big Sas.

05:34:23.400 Thank you, man.

05:34:23.780 Appreciate the message there.

05:34:25.900 Wait, so you said everybody?

05:34:27.260 I think collectively everyone will suffer.

05:34:30.460 I think men will definitely die more and will be more traumatized when they go and if they're able to come back.

05:34:36.820 Okay.

05:34:37.100 Who's the primary victim of war, men or women?

05:34:39.140 Men.

05:34:40.400 Men.

05:34:40.740 Men.

05:34:41.960 Men.

05:34:42.880 Men.

05:34:43.700 Men.

05:34:44.200 Okay.

05:34:45.180 All right.

05:34:46.580 Let's see.

05:34:47.380 We have a few final up.

05:34:50.880 No, not yet.

05:34:52.000 Well, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.

05:34:55.300 Drop us a follow.

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05:35:01.960 A couple other questions here.

05:35:04.000 Moving on from the war stuff.

05:35:07.380 Can you be sexist towards men?

05:35:11.280 What do you mean?

05:35:12.560 Like as a woman?

05:35:13.380 Like me?

05:35:14.220 No, not you specifically, but like can women be sexist towards men?

05:35:19.020 Sure, yeah.

05:35:21.500 Yes.

05:35:22.360 Yeah.

05:35:23.200 Yeah.

05:35:23.880 Yes.

05:35:25.080 Absolutely.

05:35:25.920 Yeah.

05:35:26.280 Oh, sorry.

05:35:26.980 Yes.

05:35:28.080 I won't grill you if any of you change your answer.

05:35:31.180 Are any of you just saying yes because you don't want to argue?

05:35:35.820 I will not grill you.

05:35:38.200 I promise I won't grill you.

05:35:40.340 I will move right along, but you.

05:35:43.140 Anybody?

05:35:44.040 You?

05:35:44.420 Yeah.

05:35:45.500 Okay.

05:35:45.900 All right.

05:35:46.180 Just, you know, just want to check.

05:35:47.280 Just want to check.

05:35:48.160 How about this one?

05:35:50.140 Because it's kind of related sort of a little bit.

05:35:52.580 Can you be racist towards white people?

05:35:57.600 Oh, sorry.

05:35:58.620 I keep forgetting I start.

05:35:59.660 Oh, sorry.

05:36:01.580 Uh, yeah.

05:36:04.040 Maybe.

05:36:04.780 Yeah.

05:36:06.200 Um, respectfully, how does this have anything to do with dating and no?

05:36:12.900 Doesn't actually have anything to do with dating.

05:36:14.640 I just wanted.

05:36:15.420 I just felt like asking the question.

05:36:18.480 Oh, I'm a goblin.

05:36:20.580 Okay.

05:36:21.140 Uh, do you want to answer the question?

05:36:22.560 Do you want to answer the question?

05:36:25.900 Um, no.

05:36:28.080 You can't be racist towards white people?

05:36:29.820 Well, hold on.

05:36:30.340 Let's get everybody's answers first before you.

05:36:32.680 Okay.

05:36:33.060 So no.

05:36:33.780 What about you?

05:36:34.280 I'm not going to talk about this.

05:36:36.420 Should I just assume that your answer is no?

05:36:38.580 Just, just go.

05:36:39.860 You can just let me.

05:36:40.540 Come on.

05:36:40.740 Just answer the question.

05:36:41.760 I don't need to.

05:36:42.700 I'd say yeah.

05:36:43.840 Yes.

05:36:44.500 Okay.

05:36:45.020 No.

05:36:45.740 No.

05:36:46.620 I think you can be racist towards anybody.

05:36:49.000 Okay.

05:36:49.820 Yes.

05:36:50.560 Yeah, absolutely.

05:36:51.700 Okay.

05:36:52.320 Really quick.

05:36:53.120 Promise we won't linger so long on this.

05:36:55.580 Why?

05:36:56.380 For those of you who said no.

05:37:01.360 Does anyone else want to answer?

05:37:03.500 How about you answer?

05:37:04.780 I just feel like you can't really be racist towards a race that has had all the privilege

05:37:09.980 in the world their entire lives.

05:37:12.300 And it's like, maybe you can be racist on a one-to-one level.

05:37:17.140 Like, oh, you hurt their feelings, but you can't be racist in the sense of like systematic

05:37:22.400 oppression.

05:37:24.260 That's that.

05:37:24.900 Well, being racist is just judging someone based off of their race.

05:37:29.160 No, it's not just that, girl.

05:37:31.160 It's systematic oppression as well.

05:37:33.600 I thought the definition of racism was judging someone based off of their race.

05:37:38.020 No, it's not just that.

05:37:39.460 Like I said.

05:37:39.820 Well, what's your definition of racism?

05:37:42.340 My definition of racism is, like I said, systematic oppression.

05:37:46.060 Oppression by like a whole institution, a group of people, something that's like actually

05:37:51.120 a force, not just.

05:37:52.680 So I've heard.

05:37:53.800 You're mean to me and you called me white.

05:37:55.320 Let me, let me give.

05:37:56.080 You called me a cracker.

05:37:57.520 You don't, you don't think that that would be a racist thing to say?

05:38:00.160 I think that you were just trying to be.

05:38:01.640 I feel like at that point you made like a dumb joke that could be interpreted as racist.

05:38:06.280 Yeah.

05:38:06.460 But I don't see that as racism.

05:38:07.760 So you're saying on the, are you saying on the micro level?

05:38:10.560 Yeah.

05:38:10.720 On the micro level.

05:38:11.880 Yes.

05:38:12.100 Yes, but not on, there was no macro level racism towards white people.

05:38:15.780 You get my point.

05:38:16.640 And so I've heard this definition used is racism, prejudice plus power.

05:38:22.200 That's the definition that I've heard.

05:38:25.220 What about you?

05:38:25.800 Your thoughts on that?

05:38:26.860 On, uh, or what?

05:38:28.960 Sorry.

05:38:29.420 Why?

05:38:29.740 Yes.

05:38:29.980 Um, I, you said you weren't going to linger and you said you weren't going to grill us

05:38:34.080 on this.

05:38:34.340 Well, a couple of minutes is fair.

05:38:35.800 Just a couple of minutes.

05:38:36.940 It's been, um, what's the timestamp on this?

05:38:39.300 Don't, don't.

05:38:39.500 Okay.

05:38:39.820 Just go ahead and answer the question.

05:38:42.500 I, I told you my answer.

05:38:44.600 No, I mean like, but why?

05:38:46.780 Why do I think that you, you can't be racist against a white person?

05:38:50.360 Mm-hmm.

05:38:51.560 Because I, I would go along with, with the logic that racism is prejudice plus power and

05:38:58.260 white people in the context of American society have systematically been the people who held

05:39:05.560 the power.

05:39:05.920 You can go back to the genesis of America.

05:39:11.500 Any quick thoughts on this, Andrew?

05:39:16.940 Yeah.

05:39:17.440 I mean, I, I would just move on from here to something a little more lighthearted.

05:39:22.840 Yeah.

05:39:23.360 I just, I just want to say.

05:39:24.920 Andrew, the, the, the debate, the debate goat doesn't want to.

05:39:29.160 Okay.

05:39:29.700 All right.

05:39:30.040 Well, I mean, I would like to engage in it, but I, I don't feel like, um, like if, if

05:39:36.260 I, if we get into this, you and I, and I'm really good faith about it.

05:39:40.580 Do you really have any interest at all in tangling up on this?

05:39:43.780 Because I would like to get into it with you, but you just seem like you're just kind

05:39:47.160 of adamant about moving on from here.

05:39:48.900 You would be right.

05:39:53.640 You would be, she says you would be right.

05:39:56.160 Andrew.

05:39:57.380 Um, I, I just want to say, I think it's, I think it's stupid to talk about race.

05:40:02.040 Why does race matter whatsoever?

05:40:03.880 I mean, it's based off of someone's actions, not the color of their skin at all.

05:40:13.480 I agree.

05:40:14.480 I mean, the way that you can't control your race.

05:40:17.340 Exactly.

05:40:17.920 So why does it matter?

05:40:18.940 When you put it into the mix, it creates a.

05:40:20.940 Go ask the colonizers why it mattered.

05:40:23.180 Like, I don't know what you mean by that.

05:40:25.720 Well, I just don't think, I just don't think it should matter.

05:40:28.600 I wish it didn't to them.

05:40:29.800 I just don't think.

05:40:30.180 It was wrong of them to care about it.

05:40:32.160 I don't think race should matter.

05:40:33.880 I think that it's something that's still drug on to this day.

05:40:36.880 And I don't think that, I mean, there's a lot of, I don't, I think it's hard to be racist today.

05:40:44.100 Well, so is there white privilege for those of you who said no to the race?

05:40:47.800 So I assume you guys would agree that there's white privilege.

05:40:50.520 Yeah.

05:40:50.960 I mean, just even by hearing her speak on the fact that she doesn't think racism is a thing anymore.

05:40:57.420 I feel like kind of speaks on like white privilege.

05:40:59.840 I don't think that's what you said.

05:41:01.420 No, I wasn't saying that.

05:41:02.860 No, not at all.

05:41:03.880 I'm just saying, I think it's harder to be racist in today's society just because like

05:41:10.720 in a workplace or something, you can take that to court.

05:41:14.400 Like it's not something that, I think it's around a lot.

05:41:18.600 Yeah.

05:41:18.860 I mean, you're just looking at it through an intersectional worldview, right?

05:41:22.520 From an intersectional worldview, you think that racism essentially exists because there's

05:41:27.360 systems in place which favor one perceived social constructed race over another perceived social

05:41:32.620 constructed race, right?

05:41:33.740 Is that correct?

05:41:38.560 Is that for me?

05:41:40.080 Yeah.

05:41:40.460 It's your argument.

05:41:43.480 No, no, no.

05:41:44.000 Not her.

05:41:44.800 I'm sorry.

05:41:45.400 The owl sitting at dead center.

05:41:48.160 Racism.

05:41:49.200 Die.

05:41:50.160 Stop using it.

05:41:51.540 Period.

05:41:52.140 Amen.

05:41:52.360 Okay.

05:41:52.940 Thank you, AC.

05:41:53.900 I appreciate it.

05:41:54.480 The one who said that you thought that white privilege must exist just based on her speaking

05:42:01.460 about race at all.

05:42:02.360 Sorry, what was your question?

05:42:05.580 Yeah, you.

05:42:06.500 Yep.

05:42:07.360 What was your question?

05:42:08.900 I was asking you if you view this on an intersectional basis based on systems of power and you believe

05:42:14.740 essentially that whites are at the top of that hierarchy and so therefore they cannot

05:42:19.140 be racist.

05:42:19.860 Only other people can be, or I'm sorry, only they can be racist, not other people.

05:42:25.800 That's how you view it?

05:42:27.060 Yeah.

05:42:28.120 Yeah.

05:42:28.540 So where would you fall in that hierarchy?

05:42:32.300 Would you say that you couldn't be racist, you can only have people be racist towards

05:42:35.360 you?

05:42:36.400 No, I don't think so.

05:42:39.820 Well, I mean, so then are you, do you consider yourself in that top threshold then of basically

05:42:48.620 whites who are in control?

05:42:51.300 No, not that either.

05:42:52.740 I think that I have the ability to be oppressed and I also have the ability to be the one doing

05:42:58.480 the oppression.

05:43:00.880 Okay.

05:43:01.400 So you think that people can be racist towards you?

05:43:05.020 Yeah.

05:43:05.600 I'm Hispanic.

05:43:06.680 So I fully believe that I can be the oppressor and also be the one being oppressed.

05:43:12.420 So in your worldview, Hispanics are essentially white or?

05:43:16.120 Huh?

05:43:17.100 In your worldview, you consider the power dynamic of Hispanics to be that of the power dynamic

05:43:21.900 of whites?

05:43:23.120 No, I view it as a lesser than.

05:43:25.360 Then I don't understand because I thought that you said that the only people who could

05:43:30.580 be oppressors are the people at the top of the racial hierarchy, in this case, whites.

05:43:38.100 Yeah.

05:43:38.940 But I feel like if I was in a position of power, even though I'm Hispanic, I can still be an

05:43:44.260 oppressor, especially because of the fact that I have like certain privileges that come

05:43:49.700 with like being white passing, for example.

05:43:51.360 So that's why I speak on that, in that sense.

05:43:54.360 So then, so then how can people be racist towards you then?

05:43:58.280 That's what I don't understand.

05:44:00.060 Um, I can give you a direct example.

05:44:02.420 Um, no, no, no, no, no, no, hang on, hang on.

05:44:04.120 Before you give a direct example, I want to make sure you know what I'm saying.

05:44:07.100 Yeah, I understand.

05:44:08.200 It is your worldview that whites, you cannot have racism attributed towards them because

05:44:15.000 they're at the top of the hierarchy, right?

05:44:17.160 Yeah.

05:44:18.660 Okay.

05:44:19.880 And you agree that you are not at the top of this hierarchy.

05:44:24.020 Yes.

05:44:24.660 Is that, okay, got it.

05:44:26.440 So, so you're underneath what you think is the traditional white hierarchy.

05:44:30.820 Yes.

05:44:31.820 Okay.

05:44:32.220 Now, can, can you say that people can be bigoted still towards whites, even if they can't be

05:44:37.700 racist?

05:44:38.560 Yeah.

05:44:39.700 Okay.

05:44:40.360 Can you tell me why it would be more immoral to be bigoted than racist?

05:44:44.760 More or less moral, you said?

05:44:48.500 More immoral.

05:44:49.640 Why would it be more or less immoral to be bigoted versus racist?

05:44:54.420 Or are they morally equivalent?

05:44:57.420 Um, I don't, I don't know.

05:45:00.000 Well, like, if you're bigoted towards a white person because you can't be racist towards them,

05:45:04.960 is being bigoted towards a white person just as bad as being racist towards a black person?

05:45:11.440 Maybe, I don't know.

05:45:12.420 Well, because if it is, and, and bigotry can still exist and bigotry against whites can still

05:45:19.180 exist, then I just want to know which is worse than the other.

05:45:23.100 I think both are very bad.

05:45:24.920 I don't, I don't know what you want me to say about that.

05:45:27.200 If they're both bad, then if we just replace racist towards with bigoted towards, then wouldn't

05:45:33.960 that still create kind of the same dynamic that other races can still be bigoted towards

05:45:38.640 white people, and so therefore it's just as bad as when whites are racist towards those

05:45:43.080 races?

05:45:43.860 No, it's not the same dynamic because then other races are still experiencing that systematic

05:45:49.000 oppression, that actual racism.

05:45:51.880 Like, for example, getting killed by cops.

05:45:53.000 So would whites, if you're bigoted against them.

05:45:54.720 That the white people who are getting bigoted against wouldn't be facing.

05:45:58.740 You get what I'm saying?

05:45:59.980 No.

05:46:00.360 One final thought from the both of you on this, and I do have to move things on.

05:46:04.400 Yeah, no, no, I don't, I don't understand what you're saying.

05:46:06.900 So you're not saying that, you're not, you're not saying how systematic oppression can be

05:46:10.780 worse than being mitigated against?

05:46:11.080 ACL 2008 donated $200.

05:46:14.540 Imagine living in the country that bestowed those privileges upon you.

05:46:18.740 Anyone can live the highest perceived success level possible.

05:46:22.460 I came from poverty to the middle class.

05:46:24.680 Any quick final thoughts from the both of you on this, and then I have to move things

05:46:31.700 along.

05:46:31.960 Yeah, I'm just saying that if morally they're not more, one's not more reprehensible than

05:46:36.600 the other, then other races being bigoted towards whites would be morally equivalent to

05:46:42.000 whites being racist towards other races.

05:46:44.680 There's still, there are moral equivalents in your worldview.

05:46:47.380 So, I mean, one isn't worse than the other.

05:46:50.440 On a small scale, no, on a large scale, yeah.

05:46:53.040 So I stand by my own point.

05:46:55.420 Okay, well, moving on, moving on.

05:46:58.640 Let me just check here.

05:47:00.020 I'm going to pull up a couple chats.

05:47:01.460 We have player 11.

05:47:04.900 When I was young, I wanted a career that would be both rewarding and fulfilling as a provider.

05:47:10.260 Is it wrong for me to expect a woman to uphold her motherly roles?

05:47:13.700 I spent my life trying to build this.

05:47:16.920 So he wanted a career that would be rewarding and fulfilling as a provider.

05:47:19.820 Is it wrong for him to expect a woman to uphold her motherly roles if he's the provider?

05:47:26.480 Any thoughts on that from anybody at the panel?

05:47:29.700 Not at all.

05:47:31.280 I think it's perfectly fair to want a woman to take care of your kids and stay at home

05:47:36.980 with them.

05:47:37.600 Just you three really quick on this.

05:47:39.060 Is it wrong for him to expect a woman to uphold her motherly roles if he's going to be the provider?

05:47:47.260 No.

05:47:48.940 Is that woman his baby mama?

05:47:54.160 Sure.

05:47:54.640 Let's assume they have two children.

05:47:55.920 In that situation, I think that if he wants to be the provider and the woman wants to be the one

05:48:06.140 that takes care of the children, that expectation isn't necessarily wrong.

05:48:08.780 Could I have you tilt your mic down just a bit?

05:48:10.820 Tilt it.

05:48:11.220 This?

05:48:12.180 Like tilt it down?

05:48:13.020 I don't want to move it.

05:48:13.740 Just from?

05:48:14.600 No.

05:48:15.620 Pull it back.

05:48:16.600 Yeah.

05:48:17.000 Pull it.

05:48:17.880 Oh.

05:48:18.160 Okay.

05:48:18.440 What about you?

05:48:19.420 I plead the fifth.

05:48:21.200 Come on.

05:48:21.700 Just answer it.

05:48:22.180 This is a totally benign question.

05:48:24.060 Just answer the question.

05:48:25.820 I plead the fifth.

05:48:27.100 I'm not meant.

05:48:27.660 I'm really tired.

05:48:28.440 I'm not mentally here anymore, unfortunately.

05:48:30.520 So I don't think any real like sentences and thoughts about that.

05:48:33.520 Okay.

05:48:33.540 I'll just skip you for everything then.

05:48:36.880 Yeah.

05:48:37.360 He's fine for thinking that.

05:48:44.320 You guys can answer.

05:48:45.380 Okay.

05:48:45.640 Fine.

05:48:45.860 I'm just moving on.

05:48:46.960 I'm just moving on.

05:48:47.840 That's perfectly fine.

05:48:48.700 Yes.

05:48:49.480 All right.

05:48:49.960 We have women have the power of creating other humans with great power comes great

05:48:54.800 responsibility.

05:48:55.660 Okay.

05:48:55.880 Hey, thank you, Ben George.

05:48:57.180 Appreciate it.

05:48:57.960 Thank you, man.

05:48:58.660 We have GR Gracie coming in here in just a second.

05:49:04.580 Thank you, Ben George.

05:49:05.940 Appreciate it.

05:49:07.020 And then we have GR Gracie.

05:49:10.360 Ladies, how about a compromise?

05:49:11.680 Men get drafted off to war while women take their places as roofers, sewage plant workers,

05:49:16.120 asphalt lairs, and laborers.

05:49:18.580 For shizzle?

05:49:21.880 Sure.

05:49:22.400 Okay.

05:49:22.660 Thank you.

05:49:23.120 Thank you, Gracie.

05:49:24.140 That's the trade-off.

05:49:25.420 Rosie the Riveter or whatever.

05:49:27.920 She did stuff, I guess.

05:49:29.320 Okay.

05:49:30.280 And then we have ACL 2008.

05:49:34.400 What gender of American citizens are required to register for selective service?

05:49:39.260 All male, female.

05:49:40.500 Are you asking this, like, the answer is male.

05:49:53.640 So, yeah, answer is male, just male.

05:49:56.680 I don't know if you were trying to ask the women that question, but yes, it is male.

05:50:01.140 Women are not subject to military conscription in the United States and the vast majority of

05:50:05.300 other countries.

05:50:06.420 We have Desert Joe, Shite Panel.

05:50:08.000 You can see the points in several topics when they realize their arguments were wrong, but

05:50:12.100 they are incapable of admitting it was wrong.

05:50:14.520 Now they've just tuned out.

05:50:15.420 Move on already.

05:50:16.140 Okay.

05:50:16.400 That's from Desert Joe three minutes ago.

05:50:18.280 All right.

05:50:18.960 Thank you, Desert Joe.

05:50:19.740 Much appreciated.

05:50:20.960 And then we do have Matt here.

05:50:24.260 Matt says, is there a very manly wooded area?

05:50:28.220 Maybe Texas, Mississippi in a very berry wooded area that we can remote in the people who prefer

05:50:32.980 to be with the many bears?

05:50:33.860 There's like Andrew Wilson remotes in for the next episode.

05:50:37.340 Needs to be a good live feed area like Yellowstone Bear Territory.

05:50:40.820 Okay.

05:50:44.400 Yes, we will get in touch with the park rangers and we will set that up, Matt.

05:50:49.500 We will have them do a, what's it called?

05:50:52.960 A, you know.

05:50:54.360 Okay.

05:50:56.740 Oops.

05:50:57.460 Fuck.

05:50:57.860 Can somebody fix that?

05:51:00.000 Where's?

05:51:00.300 Can you go grab it?

05:51:03.660 Welcome to the whatever podcast.

05:51:05.360 Fucking the walls are falling apart.

05:51:07.180 It's ridiculous.

05:51:07.960 Thank you, Matt, man.

05:51:08.580 Appreciate it.

05:51:10.100 Let me just see here.

05:51:11.460 We will do a quick shout out.

05:51:12.700 Yo guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.

05:51:15.480 Drop voice crack.

05:51:17.160 Nice.

05:51:17.880 Drop us a follow in the prime sub.

05:51:20.440 If you have one, twitch.tv slash whatever.

05:51:22.520 If you're watching us over there on Twitch, we have almost 2000 of you on Twitch.

05:51:27.020 So drop us a follow in the prime sub.

05:51:28.460 Thank you guys.

05:51:28.900 Appreciate it.

05:51:29.440 Last question.

05:51:31.800 Then we'll go into a short chaos slash roast round.

05:51:35.000 And then we're going to wrap up the show.

05:51:36.940 So let me just check here my notes.

05:51:41.400 Final question.

05:51:43.300 Should we ask a dating related question just to kind of put the bow on the, is that what

05:51:49.320 it's called?

05:51:49.580 A bow?

05:51:50.600 The cherry on top?

05:51:51.380 Wait, no.

05:51:55.900 There's, okay.

05:51:56.500 Well, let me, let me see the, the pre-show notes for some of you other guys who weren't

05:52:00.840 really included here.

05:52:01.900 Uh, Haley, she's a goat milker.

05:52:04.300 Yep.

05:52:04.680 Hit that.

05:52:05.700 Well, no, no, like hit, hit the, I didn't, that's, that came out weird.

05:52:11.020 Didn't.

05:52:11.460 Okay.

05:52:11.920 Uh, you said, I'm trying to see here.

05:52:15.620 What's, uh, you don't agree with not getting married, only having a long-term committed

05:52:20.340 relationship.

05:52:20.960 I understand completely why you don't want to.

05:52:23.080 Uh, also don't agree with your position on not protecting your significant other.

05:52:26.880 I think you make great points, but I also think it's very contradicting from saying you're

05:52:30.480 a man of God.

05:52:32.440 Okay.

05:52:33.160 Well, I see, uh, okay.

05:52:34.300 I see what you're saying.

05:52:35.740 Um, well, we won't linger too long on that, but, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm not in favor of getting

05:52:41.180 married.

05:52:41.620 So did you want to provide a brief pushback on that?

05:52:45.140 Um, no, I understand.

05:52:47.500 Give these girls some energy drinks, get them some, get the, you want an energy drink?

05:52:51.000 I know you want an energy, come on, you want an energy drink, right?

05:52:54.180 C4, 200, 200 grams of caffeine.

05:52:56.500 Let's just fucking do, I promise we won't do this all night.

05:52:59.780 I was like, I've already had.

05:53:01.360 What about you?

05:53:01.920 You seem, you need plead the fifth.

05:53:04.640 You need to plead some C4 energy drink into your esophagus.

05:53:11.220 Probably, but I'm okay.

05:53:13.420 I just want to make it clear that guy, he said that all of us looked like we were low energy

05:53:17.580 and mopey because our points had been supposedly proven wrong.

05:53:21.080 Um, I've been talking for nearly six hours.

05:53:24.600 Um, and I'm still, like, I just think that I have better, my time is better valued, um,

05:53:32.060 than arguing to the ends of the earth about why feminism exists or why men are oppressed

05:53:37.300 for having to enter the draft.

05:53:38.480 What do you want?

05:53:38.760 I have homework to do and I'm a student.

05:53:40.800 What do you, what do you want to talk about?

05:53:41.880 What time is it?

05:53:42.700 I came here to talk about dating, respectfully.

05:53:44.560 All right, give me a dating thing.

05:53:46.040 Give me a dating thing.

05:53:46.840 You're the host of this podcast.

05:53:47.940 You give me a dating thing.

05:53:48.820 No, you give me a, you give me a dating thing.

05:53:51.280 You can go read my show notes then.

05:53:53.740 Your show, did you even provide?

05:53:55.160 Let me look.

05:53:55.740 Yeah, I DM'd you your questions.

05:53:57.880 Oh, let me look.

05:53:58.560 It must have been more recently.

05:53:59.580 Uh, okay, Audrey.

05:54:03.820 Oh, okay, nothing, uh, funny stories, people getting done dirty, frat hookup culture, fear

05:54:08.660 of, uh, okay, fear of commitment, reasons girls are in relationships versus boys, how

05:54:14.140 boys view girls, fear of, do you have a fear of commitment when it comes to dating?

05:54:20.300 Um, sometimes.

05:54:21.820 If I'm allowed to choose the topic, though, I think that my, the answer to my last question

05:54:26.060 was the most relevant.

05:54:27.400 I don't know if there's really, I don't have a lot of bandwidth to answer it now because

05:54:31.140 I'm sure that Andrew would have a field day with this one, um, because it was mostly

05:54:35.120 a joke, but you guys don't really take jokes the same way that I thought.

05:54:39.600 Um, maybe you would, so, but you, you can feel free to read it out loud if you are curious.

05:54:46.300 I can take jokes.

05:54:48.040 I'm good at taking jokes.

05:54:49.260 Andrew, he's a comedian.

05:54:51.300 He used to be a standup comedian.

05:54:52.860 He's now blood sports debater.

05:54:54.520 He can, he can handle some jokes.

05:54:56.060 You want to just say it?

05:54:59.040 It's, it's in the notes.

05:55:00.520 You can just keep reading my notes if that's, um, what your closing remarks are or whatever.

05:55:05.480 I want to hear a good joke.

05:55:07.100 It's not a joke.

05:55:07.980 It's just funny to me, but I think that maybe it would unravel my feminist argument and I

05:55:11.980 can't have that happen on the show.

05:55:14.220 You don't, you want to just say it yourself?

05:55:15.960 I mean, it's been happening all night.

05:55:16.840 I don't know why you'd be mad about it now.

05:55:18.380 Well, you know, see that now that, that was a joke, right?

05:55:23.720 It was a joke to you at my expense.

05:55:25.340 That's not a joke.

05:55:25.760 And it was good, but it was a good, it was a good joke.

05:55:27.700 You could have laughed, you know, it was lightening up the room.

05:55:30.000 It was great.

05:55:31.900 No one's laughing.

05:55:32.940 No, not, not even, not even a smile.

05:55:35.140 No, it was, um, it was like really fresh of you.

05:55:37.860 I'm like, it, it helped your agenda, but like, it's not helping mine.

05:55:41.920 So I'm not going to laugh.

05:55:43.760 Is that?

05:55:44.400 Oh, that's fair.

05:55:45.020 I'll make sure that when you, when you tell the funny story then that I won't laugh either

05:55:48.620 because it'll help your agenda or just whatever goofy shit you said.

05:55:51.920 Yeah, that's fine.

05:55:52.480 I didn't ask you to be my cheerleader.

05:55:55.080 Well, that's good.

05:55:55.820 Cause I'm not going to be.

05:55:57.080 Perfect.

05:55:57.920 I'm glad we're on the same page.

05:55:59.460 Yeah.

05:56:00.860 Okay.

05:56:01.560 So you can make a homework assignment about it.

05:56:03.680 Your thing was, you said you have this evolutionary hot take about men being natural born hunters

05:56:09.140 and women being gatherers as to why girls and boys act the way they do in relationships.

05:56:14.140 Also, lots of men want the intimacy of a relationship, but not the commitment it entails.

05:56:21.020 So there's kind of two parts there.

05:56:24.900 This evolutionary hot take, men being natural born hunters and women being gatherers

05:56:29.060 to why girls and boys act the way they do in relationships.

05:56:31.880 Do you want to give a bit of a nuance there?

05:56:36.380 Sure.

05:56:37.180 Um, I think we touched a lot on gender roles through the lens of evolution today.

05:56:42.620 Um, and if I were to expand upon it, how would I put this in a way that's not, I think that,

05:56:50.920 that it's a good way to understand the way that men view like sex particularly, um, in a

05:56:57.840 relationship compared to women, women tend to, in my experience, view sex as a lot more

05:57:03.540 of an investment compared to men.

05:57:05.420 Um, and I can't speak for men on this.

05:57:07.860 This is my perception from their behavior.

05:57:13.780 Okay.

05:57:14.180 Um, and so I think that in hookup culture, hookup culture, my, I could actually, I would say

05:57:24.820 that maybe it advantages both sexes, but as someone who sometimes had a hard time grappling

05:57:30.180 with the idea that if you were to, why men wouldn't necessarily invest in the same way,

05:57:35.600 um, I think that when you put it through the lens of evolution and men wanting to innately

05:57:44.460 spread their seed, I think that there is a way that you can argue it.

05:57:52.260 I don't think that it's necessarily true now because I think that it's kind of a crude argument

05:57:56.240 to make.

05:57:57.480 Um, that was my hot take, um, is that men commit in a way that's differently than women do.

05:58:05.580 It, in terms of what, what's the basis for their commitment.

05:58:10.820 Um, I think that women are more easily willing to commit sometimes.

05:58:15.480 Um, at least I know that I am.

05:58:19.440 Um, are you, I mean, it depends on the relationship.

05:58:22.900 I think I've kind of learned a lot now.

05:58:25.660 But I mean, you said you've been single for four years.

05:58:28.040 Yeah.

05:58:28.500 I would commit to someone that is a worthy investment.

05:58:31.080 What do you mean a worthy investment?

05:58:32.500 Like, he wouldn't cheat, he wouldn't leave me.

05:58:37.480 There's not other factors?

05:58:40.840 Um, yeah, there are other ones.

05:58:42.860 So a guy, in order to get a relationship with you, a guy just has to be loyal?

05:58:48.400 And what was the other thing?

05:58:50.560 Well, I'm not saying that loyalty is the only one.

05:58:53.800 I'm sure there's plenty of guys that would be loyal to you, but you wouldn't be, for example,

05:58:56.840 physically attracted to them.

05:58:58.240 Yeah.

05:58:59.040 So I'll find one that I'm physically attracted to.

05:59:01.480 Okay.

05:59:02.500 Um, yeah.

05:59:05.720 But I mean, so you're saying that lots of men want the intimacy of a relationship, but

05:59:10.700 not the commitment it entails.

05:59:12.440 So are you, when you say intimacy, do you mean sex?

05:59:15.300 No, I don't mean just sex.

05:59:17.140 Other things?

05:59:18.200 Emotional intimacy.

05:59:20.380 Okay.

05:59:20.740 I find that a lot of men can tend to choose to be emotionally vulnerable in the moments

05:59:29.100 that are convenient to them.

05:59:30.680 Um, but in terms of what it means for a relationship in its entirety, I don't think that they like

05:59:39.240 that I think that they choose to be emotionally vulnerable, but without actually the contingencies

05:59:43.860 and the commitment that a relationship entails, if that makes any sense.

05:59:47.080 What's, what's going on over here?

05:59:50.880 I'm just waiting.

05:59:52.380 It's just really late.

05:59:53.420 Look, let me ask you a question.

05:59:55.500 Have you ever worked a job?

05:59:57.600 Oh, I do.

05:59:58.340 I have two jobs at the moment.

05:59:59.600 You have a full-time job?

06:00:00.340 And I'm a full-time student, yes.

06:00:01.660 Right, yeah.

06:00:02.660 So you're currently in an air-conditioned...

06:00:04.920 It's fine.

06:00:08.660 It's fine.

06:00:09.240 You're currently in an air-conditioned penthouse apartment, uh, talking about dating topics,

06:00:15.840 culture war stuff.

06:00:17.720 Uh, I kind of wanted to just say, like, sack up.

06:00:23.400 Like, you've been, you've had sourpuss on your face for the past hour.

06:00:27.640 Like, it's not that hard to remain chipper for the duration of the show.

06:00:31.660 Um, I mean...

06:00:34.980 We've been pretty, uh, chill about you, like, going back there, being on your phone, whatever.

06:00:41.840 We get it.

06:00:42.660 You have TikTok brain.

06:00:43.980 You're bored.

06:00:44.840 Cool.

06:00:45.380 We get it.

06:00:46.600 It's not that hard to just, like, remain, put on, like, a...

06:00:52.440 You know.

06:00:53.240 Do you not normally stay up late?

06:00:56.520 Bro, it's so funny.

06:00:57.340 These girls will complain, oh, it's 11 p.m.

06:00:59.660 Bro, y'all party?

06:01:01.020 You party?

06:01:02.200 No.

06:01:02.840 You don't party?

06:01:03.800 No.

06:01:04.120 You've never been out till 2, 3, 4 a.m.

06:01:06.100 Drinking, dancing, walking around, doing all this shit?

06:01:08.840 When I was younger, I didn't have two jobs.

06:01:10.160 You're 21.

06:01:11.060 You're still young.

06:01:11.840 When I go out, I don't get grilled by misogynistic men all the time.

06:01:17.180 And I'm motivated to go out because it's fun for me.

06:01:19.760 And you guys won't answer the questions back.

06:01:21.440 Okay, so, hold on.

06:01:23.240 So, is Andrew the misogynist?

06:01:24.780 Am I...

06:01:25.060 Are we both the misogynists here?

06:01:27.320 I guess, like, you guys...

06:01:29.060 What do you guys call yourselves?

06:01:30.420 Patriarchists?

06:01:30.960 I didn't say that.

06:01:31.920 Andrew said that.

06:01:32.460 Andrew.

06:01:33.160 Okay, but you said misogynistic men, so I'm going to just assume you were referring to...

06:01:35.860 Yeah, I don't understand what patriarchy has to do with this.

06:01:38.280 Oh, sorry.

06:01:38.800 I didn't mean to use a buzzword here.

06:01:40.240 That's not what I...

06:01:40.840 Well, okay, so I assume you were also referring to me.

06:01:42.800 I feel like I've been super respectful to you.

06:01:44.940 I don't...

06:01:45.340 I didn't say that you were disrespecting me.

06:01:47.720 I didn't say that.

06:01:48.300 Well, then how am I a misogynist?

06:01:49.940 I don't get it.

06:01:51.060 I'm not going to argue about whether or not...

06:01:52.820 About why you think that I am or am not correct in my take of you.

06:01:57.180 It's my take of you, and you can take it or leave it.

06:01:58.860 It really doesn't matter.

06:01:59.400 Well, hold on.

06:01:59.820 I think you're a misandrist.

06:02:01.580 Oh.

06:02:02.300 Okay, I don't really care what you think.

06:02:04.220 Yeah, I know, but you should because...

06:02:06.320 Why should I care what you think?

06:02:06.800 I mean, apparently you do.

06:02:07.860 You must care what I think because you had to comment on it, right?

06:02:12.840 You had to say, well, this guy over here who's been nothing but respectful to me the entire night is a misogynist.

06:02:20.120 Well, you criticized us for being mute.

06:02:21.620 You just grilled the shit out of her for not talking.

06:02:24.180 No, that was me.

06:02:24.420 And now I'm talking.

06:02:25.360 Oh, you.

06:02:25.680 Sorry.

06:02:25.980 I didn't do shit.

06:02:26.600 That was me.

06:02:27.260 Okay, sorry.

06:02:28.000 I've been sitting here quietly listening.

06:02:29.000 You just grilled her for not talking.

06:02:30.380 I don't know.

06:02:30.700 Is that misogynist?

06:02:31.660 This is why I never really thought that me being mean on this podcast or what is perceived as mean or tone policing has ever been a problem.

06:02:39.400 I think that women basically just get upset if I disagree with them.

06:02:43.080 That's it.

06:02:43.440 Well, you disagree on every count.

06:02:44.920 Don't you think it's kind of exhausting to be disagreed with for six hours?

06:02:48.380 So what?

06:02:50.140 Good thing I'm getting paid for this.

06:02:51.400 Am I right?

06:02:52.600 I don't know if you are or you aren't.

06:02:54.180 It's not my show.

06:02:54.920 But I can tell you this.

06:02:57.440 What does it matter if you're grilled for six hours?

06:03:01.860 If it's an adversarial dating talk podcast, there's going to be arguments.

06:03:05.400 I mean.

06:03:05.560 Because I wouldn't do that for fun.

06:03:07.200 By the way, I don't even feel like you were really grilled.

06:03:10.400 Like I've had some women on the hot seat bad.

06:03:12.380 What were we doing for all this time?

06:03:13.640 I think that's fine.

06:03:14.760 Okay.

06:03:14.940 And honestly, I've really valued talking to someone who has such starkly different opinions than I do.

06:03:20.140 I think that you have.

06:03:22.040 It doesn't sound like it.

06:03:22.980 It sounds like you're super upset.

06:03:24.840 I'm not upset.

06:03:25.400 It sounds like you're super mad.

06:03:26.220 I'm just kind of agitated that you guys are grilling us and it's been this long.

06:03:30.300 I'm just saying, like, can you try to find a common ground instead of trying to always be right?

06:03:35.120 Every single time that you've gone around, you're looking for the answers where you can disagree.

06:03:39.380 And then you're trying to prove them wrong.

06:03:40.800 Yeah.

06:03:40.960 And then you won't answer the questions that we have for you.

06:03:43.560 Hold on.

06:03:43.900 No, no, no.

06:03:44.300 Hold on.

06:03:44.620 Hold on.

06:03:45.000 First off.

06:03:45.560 I'll answer the questions you have for me.

06:03:47.160 Okay.

06:03:47.980 First off.

06:03:49.080 Hold on.

06:03:49.900 Hold on.

06:03:50.520 I want to see.

06:03:51.300 Do any of you actually, I bet none of you actually have a single question for me.

06:03:56.640 I do.

06:03:56.980 That's relevant to any type of argument, topic, anything.

06:04:00.260 Did any of you actually have one?

06:04:03.340 Hold on.

06:04:04.100 No, no, no, no.

06:04:04.700 Hold on.

06:04:05.100 Let's stay focused here for a second.

06:04:07.000 You levied a very serious accusation towards both me and Andrew.

06:04:11.320 You called us both misogynists.

06:04:13.260 I just want to make sure that's your position.

06:04:16.880 I'll use the word.

06:04:18.440 Oh, wait.

06:04:18.940 Actually kidding.

06:04:19.480 You're not a patriarchist.

06:04:21.580 I'm not.

06:04:23.400 If it's antagonistic, antagonistic, which is different than a misogynist.

06:04:27.860 And, and the thing is, I'm not going to retract my statement because I, okay.

06:04:31.760 So then you, okay, fine.

06:04:33.040 But the thing is, you're writing that down on your notepad.

06:04:35.000 Like now you're going to try to argue against me.

06:04:36.640 I'm not even writing.

06:04:37.060 I'm not going to argue about why I think you're a misogynist.

06:04:40.080 Okay.

06:04:40.460 You could tell me that you think I look terrible.

06:04:42.720 You could tell me you think I'm stupid.

06:04:44.060 Why would I say that?

06:04:44.880 And, well, I don't know.

06:04:46.080 If you take it misogynist as an insult, then too bad.

06:04:50.300 I don't, I typically, if I receive an ad-hom, I don't return it with an ad-hom, but I will

06:04:54.300 just ask, since you use the word, how do you define misogyny?

06:04:57.000 Um, well, the thing is, I think that misogyny and patriarchy sometimes get blurred.

06:05:03.260 Um, well, they're two distinct things.

06:05:05.080 So how do you define misogyny?

06:05:07.260 I would say men thinking that they are superior to women.

06:05:12.740 Okay.

06:05:14.280 So what have I said that would lead you to believe that I'm a misogynist using your definition

06:05:19.380 of misogyny?

06:05:20.760 Every single argument that you've made on this podcast, specifically the ones about the patriarchy.

06:05:24.560 What was the argument that I made?

06:05:27.900 You whined about being, about how you were subject to the draft for an hour.

06:05:32.200 How could that possibly be misogynistic for me to point out a way in which men are disadvantaged?

06:05:37.400 How would that have anything to do with, so because I argued about men being subject to

06:05:42.040 military conscription would be me saying that men are superior to women?

06:05:46.060 That's actually me arguing that men are disadvantaged compared to women.

06:05:49.620 Well, maybe I'm lumping you and Andrew together.

06:05:50.920 Maybe Andrew wants to speak on this.

06:05:52.080 Actually, please don't.

06:05:52.760 Well, okay, you can shift the goalposts here, but you did direct it towards me, so.

06:05:55.800 Well, I'm sorry if I insulted you.

06:05:57.400 I don't really, the thing is, you're arguing with me and I'm trying to explain myself to

06:06:02.000 you and I don't think that you really care about what I have to say.

06:06:03.900 I think you just want to be right, so.

06:06:05.800 Well, I'm trying to understand because you lobbied a accusation towards me that I'm a misogynist

06:06:12.200 and it's not clear, I'm asking how, articulate how, because I disagree with you.

06:06:18.740 You brought a bunch of women into a room under the guise we were going to talk about dating

06:06:21.920 and then proceeded to bring up, barely, and you proceeded to bring up every hot political

06:06:27.060 topic you possibly could and then argued against us on our views.

06:06:31.480 And I'm not saying that's innately misogynist, I just think that it was at its least irritating

06:06:37.880 and I, you know what, if you don't like the idea of tone police, then that's fine.

06:06:42.640 I'm not going to sit here and try to explain my reality to you over and over again.

06:06:47.400 It's exhausting.

06:06:47.900 Still not clear how that's misogynistic.

06:06:51.020 Well, that's fine.

06:06:51.200 You can figure it out yourself then.

06:06:52.260 Maybe you can do some internal thinking.

06:06:54.880 I just did.

06:06:56.160 I did the internal thinking and I still haven't arrived at how it's misogynistic.

06:07:00.900 Well, you and Andrew both said that you believe that men are superior to women.

06:07:05.540 I never, play that shit back, never said that.

06:07:09.340 You said that you don't think that women should be in the clergy.

06:07:13.160 Isn't that a subordinate role?

06:07:13.960 I didn't, I'm not even, I'm not even religious, but look, for example.

06:07:16.360 But you said that to me looking in my, in my eye.

06:07:19.220 Yes.

06:07:19.660 Well, no, no, no, no.

06:07:20.280 Hold on.

06:07:21.180 Hold on.

06:07:21.680 So I'm not a Muslim, but I can acknowledge that in the Muslim faith, my understanding of

06:07:29.040 the Muslim faith, you can't eat pork.

06:07:32.360 That doesn't make me a Muslim.

06:07:33.860 Okay.

06:07:35.060 So my understanding of the Christian faith, I can acknowledge that there's certain Bible

06:07:41.080 verses, there's ecclesiastical, theological doctrine, right?

06:07:47.080 That doesn't mean that I necessarily agree with it.

06:07:51.840 For example, I'm not, I don't want to get married.

06:07:54.740 I agree with her.

06:07:55.320 I don't want to get married.

06:07:56.240 I think that you have come at it at, like, from my hand to Sam, to be honest.

06:08:01.420 Okay.

06:08:01.740 Oh, now it's helpful.

06:08:03.040 Okay.

06:08:03.200 $200.

06:08:04.220 Yeah.

06:08:04.420 Yeah.

06:08:04.700 You're being grilled because your worldview is garbage, breadshirt.

06:08:09.180 Andrew's being exceptionally nice.

06:08:11.560 When you speak, all I hear is a noisy tard fish.

06:08:14.600 Tard fish.

06:08:15.120 You spoke for three hours and said nothing useful.

06:08:18.100 Okay.

06:08:18.260 That's not true.

06:08:18.940 I'm going to shift off her.

06:08:20.100 I'm going to ask you, you said that I'm coming at it hatefully.

06:08:24.540 Articulate to me what I have said that is hateful.

06:08:27.720 Um, I mean, I think it would be more about tone, which nobody likes to hear.

06:08:33.720 Two quick nick donated $200.

06:08:35.760 It's not the way you say, it's not what you say, it's the way you say it.

06:08:38.140 Ask them what their peen size preference is.

06:08:40.860 Uncooked spaghetti?

06:08:42.500 Tuna can?

06:08:43.720 Let's get the party started.

06:08:45.660 Tuna can?

06:08:46.300 Hold on.

06:08:46.880 I can come back to that a little bit, but okay.

06:08:49.760 What precisely have I said that's hateful?

06:08:52.820 I think that the way that you bring up arguments is in a hateful way.

06:08:57.320 Give me an example.

06:08:58.360 The example would be like, even with the man versus bear thing, how you bring it up again

06:09:02.480 and again, like in my opinion, to me, it looks like you're doing it in order to make

06:09:07.900 women look a certain way.

06:09:10.360 Well, how am I trying to make women look a certain way?

06:09:13.720 Because you disagree with them.

06:09:15.480 If I remain totally silent and I let all of you not only give your answer, but give

06:09:23.040 an explanation to your answer, how is that me being hateful or me trying to make women

06:09:29.580 look a certain way?

06:09:30.800 You guys all gave your answers and I would actually, let me just, let me turn this around

06:09:37.180 at you.

06:09:37.920 I can make a stronger argument.

06:09:39.580 So your argument is by virtue of you bringing up this, this man versus bear debate, that's

06:09:44.980 hateful.

06:09:46.120 I can make a stronger argument that your answers to the actual question when it comes

06:09:51.660 to your bias and bigotry towards men is more misandrist and more hateful than your perception

06:09:59.040 that by virtue of me bringing it up, that is hateful.

06:10:02.620 What's my bias towards men?

06:10:04.240 You would rather, you would rather be alone with a bear versus a man.

06:10:08.960 If I'm remembering correctly, I did not say that.

06:10:11.280 Oh, you said men?

06:10:12.140 Okay, excuse me.

06:10:12.840 Then the other women and the millions of other women who've said bear.

06:10:15.680 No, see, even the way you say it right then.

06:10:17.700 That's, it's hateful?

06:10:18.580 That's hateful.

06:10:19.560 How is it hateful?

06:10:20.320 You seem honestly rather emotional, I would say.

06:10:23.260 How is it hateful?

06:10:23.820 How is it bringing men and women together?

06:10:25.400 Emotional or passionate?

06:10:26.860 How is it bringing men and women together?

06:10:29.220 Like, in my opinion, like, men and women are strongest together.

06:10:33.400 What's your point?

06:10:34.880 That is my point.

06:10:36.660 You're getting all flustered now.

06:10:38.220 I'm not flustered.

06:10:38.920 That she's getting to.

06:10:39.540 I'm just speaking passionately.

06:10:40.720 I'm not flustered.

06:10:41.280 I'm saying maybe your memory is a little off, Brian.

06:10:44.540 I'm saying maybe your memory is a little bit off, but it seems like the intention when

06:10:48.640 you bring up stuff like that, like, especially to her, you're bringing up stuff to be intentionally.

06:10:53.660 The bear thing?

06:10:54.660 No.

06:10:55.140 A lot of other things that you brought up towards her specifically.

06:10:58.280 Was hateful.

06:10:59.540 Give me one example.

06:11:00.260 I thought it was hateful.

06:11:00.700 Give me one example of something hateful that I said.

06:11:02.940 Go ahead.

06:11:03.640 Or even the way I said it.

06:11:05.220 Yeah.

06:11:05.620 Even the way I said it.

06:11:06.520 Go ahead.

06:11:06.940 Tell me.

06:11:07.200 I think the fact that we spent an hour and a half talking about the man versus bear

06:11:11.600 debate and you trying to pull out of us how we feel scared about men, like, over and

06:11:19.260 over, that is hateful.

06:11:21.880 That's hateful.

06:11:22.320 Wait, it's disrespectful to give you pushback.

06:11:24.240 I don't think it, I think it's hateful.

06:11:25.460 Hold on, no, no, hold on, hold on.

06:11:26.480 I think it's hateful.

06:11:27.240 It's, it's disrespectful and hateful.

06:11:29.500 Did you say evil?

06:11:30.560 No, I said hateful.

06:11:31.340 Oh, sorry, sorry.

06:11:31.860 Excuse me.

06:11:32.500 It's disrespectful.

06:11:33.120 You're just looking for any goddamn buzzword you could possibly use.

06:11:35.520 No, you guys are the ones who are using buzzwords.

06:11:37.540 So it's disrespectful, your word, it's disrespectful and it's hateful to give you the most milk

06:11:43.080 toast, benign pushback.

06:11:45.080 You think, bro, Andrew is the debate goat.

06:11:47.840 I'm like milk toast.

06:11:49.220 I suck at debating.

06:11:50.580 I'm not that good.

06:11:51.320 Yeah, I kind of do.

06:11:51.860 Oh, thank you, babe.

06:11:53.100 I'm, I'm, I'm terrible at, I'm not a great debater.

06:11:56.240 I'm very milk toast.

06:11:57.460 I like, I give a little, I'm a bit impassioned at times, but you think I'm bad?

06:12:02.700 No offense, Andrew.

06:12:03.800 You think I'm a bad guy?

06:12:05.900 It's not that I think you're bad, but I think in the way that you bring it up, just to be

06:12:09.780 clear, I don't think Andrew's the bad guy.

06:12:11.780 I don't think you guys are bad guys.

06:12:14.280 I just think that it comes off very hateful.

06:12:16.720 How?

06:12:17.440 What's your definition of hateful?

06:12:19.360 My definition of hateful is when you come off in a way that's antagonistic towards the

06:12:24.180 other gender.

06:12:24.920 It's like, when are we ever going to talk about what men and women getting along today?

06:12:28.960 Like, are we ever going to talk about that?

06:12:30.580 Or about our terrible dating experiences.

06:12:33.580 Like, are we ever going to, is that just, is that just mood?

06:12:37.040 Is that just, like, why is it men versus women?

06:12:40.100 That's the whole point of the conversation, though.

06:12:41.880 Don't you, don't you understand?

06:12:43.160 Well, I don't know if it's right.

06:12:44.460 How is that helpful?

06:12:46.720 I'm going to answer your question.

06:12:48.740 Chill out.

06:12:49.760 Okay?

06:12:50.240 The whole time we've actually been talking about ways in which men and women can get

06:12:54.880 along better.

06:12:55.720 It's subtle, but you don't see it because you don't understand it, but that's really

06:12:59.700 what we've been talking about.

06:13:00.960 The entire point of this, to show you, there's a huge contrast in views.

06:13:05.240 We're trying to find common ground through argumentation and logic, hopefully, hoping

06:13:10.200 that we can find some common ground.

06:13:12.340 So, it doesn't matter if I'm nothing but respectful, I'm still a misogynist.

06:13:15.920 Hang on.

06:13:16.320 It doesn't matter if I'm nothing but respectful, I'm still a misogynist.

06:13:18.400 Big Sas Energy donated $200.

06:13:20.580 It doesn't matter what I say, still evil, right?

06:13:22.900 It doesn't matter the tone I use, it's still bad, it doesn't matter because ultimately...

06:13:26.740 How embarrassing of an answer for all women.

06:13:29.020 Why won't you answer my question?

06:13:30.500 Wait, let me just read this.

06:13:31.540 Because ultimately, it's the disagreement that matters.

06:13:33.380 I'll answer your question, ask it.

06:13:35.020 Wait, let me just...

06:13:35.760 Okay.

06:13:35.960 To intellectually engage and disagree with women is hateful, lol.

06:13:39.500 How embarrassing of an answer for all women from Big Sas Energy.

06:13:42.440 Okay, go ahead with your question.

06:13:44.380 That's fine.

06:13:44.560 That's your question.

06:13:44.900 My question...

06:13:46.240 Yes, I'd love for you to say something.

06:13:47.820 You want to go?

06:13:48.300 I was just going to say, if that was your guys' true intention, like you claim, then why

06:13:53.240 didn't you guys bring, I don't know, maybe like two or three men of like different views,

06:13:57.820 maybe like a conservative man, a Republican man, a liberal man, and ask us all these same

06:14:03.480 exact questions.

06:14:04.460 Then it would have felt exactly like that.

06:14:05.840 Me and Brian disagree on most things when it comes to grounding foundation.

06:14:10.560 No, I'm not talking about 40-year-old men.

06:14:12.700 I'm talking about guys our age, like we're all...

06:14:15.560 I'm not 40.

06:14:16.900 Oh, my God.

06:14:17.800 I'm sorry.

06:14:18.240 We bring on 40-year-old women, and this is a mixed-age panel.

06:14:22.600 There's women here who are closer to our age than your age.

06:14:25.220 Yeah, we have 32, 30, and 27.

06:14:27.240 I mean, that's...

06:14:28.840 So I don't even understand that criticism.

06:14:32.420 Half the time, there's 40, 45-year-olds who are sitting there.

06:14:35.920 Sometimes they're 20, sometimes they're 28, sometimes...

06:14:37.140 So you don't see how it can be a bit uneven where it's two four-year-old men, and then

06:14:42.040 majority young women...

06:14:43.140 Against eight women?

06:14:44.680 Boy, you're sure disadvantaged.

06:14:47.520 Yeah, I know.

06:14:48.220 So like, it's literally 90% woman, and then two older men.

06:14:52.400 How is that not a bit of a disadvantage?

06:14:53.980 What?

06:14:54.320 Wait, eight women against two men, and it's not fair?

06:14:58.160 It's your show.

06:14:59.040 It's literally your show.

06:15:00.100 You guys don't understand how it's different than two.

06:15:00.980 It's not my show.

06:15:01.900 I'm a guest like you.

06:15:02.740 He's a guest.

06:15:03.520 He's a guest.

06:15:04.040 Andrew's a guest.

06:15:05.280 Oh, I wasn't aware of that first of all.

06:15:07.420 Yeah, I'm a guest.

06:15:08.500 I mean, I've been in the same flow that you have.

06:15:11.880 I've had less talking time than all of you have.

06:15:14.600 I don't know what you're talking about.

06:15:15.720 If there's guys our age here, too.

06:15:16.920 What was your agenda bringing us all here today?

06:15:19.220 Was it really to talk about dating?

06:15:21.240 Yeah, we talk about dating all the time.

06:15:22.640 I will grant that we do frequently get into other, we get into the, I don't know the right

06:15:28.600 term here, the weeds.

06:15:29.500 We talk about culture war stuff, but it's all sort of, I mean, it's kind of related to some

06:15:34.780 degree.

06:15:35.220 Well, because you choose to pick at my experience.

06:15:37.560 Like, you don't listen to it.

06:15:39.220 You came here and you brought, at my expense.

06:15:43.280 What do you mean, at your expense?

06:15:44.380 Well, actually, to your benefit would be a better way to say it.

06:15:47.500 You brought all of us here to supposedly talk about our experiences.

06:15:51.620 And then when we did, you shit on us.

06:15:54.000 Like, when did I shit on you?

06:15:55.940 Okay.

06:15:56.220 You know what?

06:15:56.540 Maybe you don't want to use the word shit.

06:15:57.780 If you're going to be so technical.

06:15:58.800 This is how people will use language in a very dangerous way.

06:16:01.940 And they'll just, they won't be charitable.

06:16:04.520 They won't be good faith.

06:16:06.060 At no point did I shit on any of you.

06:16:08.380 Okay.

06:16:08.780 You know what?

06:16:09.340 If I will retract my word and say.

06:16:12.360 So be more precise.

06:16:13.520 Okay.

06:16:13.720 Then I will.

06:16:15.900 Brian's at your name.

06:16:16.680 It's been a long time.

06:16:19.620 And so I'm trying my best to be precise in my language.

06:16:22.780 It's taking a lot of my cognitive capacity at this hour.

06:16:27.160 And the thing is that I came here under a different pretense.

06:16:32.160 And I think that maybe I'm speaking for the rest of the panel here.

06:16:37.180 That we feel a little bit irritated and a little bit disrespected.

06:16:41.120 Considering that I think we came here.

06:16:42.900 I think we were going to speak about our experience.

06:16:44.580 And all we did was essentially get argued against.

06:16:48.400 And there's nothing wrong with someone arguing against me.

06:16:51.680 I don't like this narrative that they're saying they're just mad that you, that they got disagreed with.

06:16:57.320 Respectfully.

06:16:57.960 You are.

06:16:58.160 The entire time we've been, we've been talking to you.

06:17:01.120 It's all been to draw out various experiences in the way that you view the world.

06:17:05.420 That's the point.

06:17:05.920 It's to draw various experiences that, that support your agenda.

06:17:11.060 It's not, you're not asking me about my experience as a woman.

06:17:14.340 When I did, you denied it.

06:17:15.460 You said it wasn't a female issue.

06:17:17.680 Yeah.

06:17:17.840 If I ask you a question, if I'm like, do you think that the sky is blue?

06:17:22.260 And you say, no.

06:17:24.300 And I go, well, but I think it is blue.

06:17:26.180 I can see that it's blue.

06:17:27.400 That's how it's felt.

06:17:28.040 Yeah, but I don't, I don't understand.

06:17:31.060 How is that not me engaging with your experience?

06:17:34.880 You're engaging with my experience in a way that's not to listen to what I have to say.

06:17:40.520 Right.

06:17:40.700 It's to listen to what I have to say so you can come up with a way to tell me what you feel.

06:17:44.640 Because I disagree that the sky isn't blue, right?

06:17:47.280 That's the point.

06:17:48.340 Jeremy donated $200.

06:17:50.800 I have asked twice.

06:17:52.520 All of you ignored me until it was convenient for you.

06:17:55.300 I said I don't want my daughter to grow up like you.

06:17:58.780 And I asked, how do we resolve?

06:18:01.000 How do we bridge the gap?

06:18:02.820 Clearly, you have zero EXP.

06:18:06.280 Thank you, Jeremy.

06:18:07.500 How do we bridge the gap?

06:18:09.120 I think...

06:18:10.300 I thought this was supposed to be about us.

06:18:12.800 Why are you asking Andrew to answer?

06:18:14.020 I hope your daughter grows up to be even worse than us.

06:18:16.840 You hope that your daughter grows up to be worse?

06:18:20.140 Yeah, I hope his daughter grows up to be worse than us.

06:18:22.640 Wow, that's a pretty vile thing to say about somebody's daughter who's not a party to this conversation.

06:18:28.580 Do you want to walk that back?

06:18:30.000 Or are you just going to...

06:18:31.080 See what you're doing right now.

06:18:32.180 It's the exact...

06:18:32.980 You've been doing this for someone how long?

06:18:33.900 Wait, just to be clear.

06:18:34.500 You think what I said to her is more disrespectful than what she just said to him?

06:18:38.320 I'm not saying that.

06:18:39.800 She just involved his daughter hoping...

06:18:42.640 He involved his daughter.

06:18:44.260 Did you not read his comment?

06:18:45.580 He said he didn't want his daughter to grow up in a society like this.

06:18:48.820 Yeah, with women like us.

06:18:50.100 Oh, he said women like us.

06:18:51.200 Yeah, so I said, yeah, his daughter's going to be worse than women like us.

06:18:53.980 I wouldn't want my daughter to grow up around feminists either.

06:18:56.760 Okay, well, good for you, hon.

06:18:58.300 She doesn't have to go to any type of California school and grow up to be liberal like us.

06:19:03.060 Well, it's not just California.

06:19:05.140 It's all over.

06:19:06.680 Yeah.

06:19:07.380 And you've managed to stay, well, far away from it, haven't you?

06:19:09.520 Why can't we be friends?

06:19:11.160 I definitely fell into the feminist movement at one point.

06:19:15.960 That's the thing, me too.

06:19:17.160 I went very left for a while until I corrected and went back to being conservative.

06:19:23.440 So I know all the arguments.

06:19:25.400 And at one point, I viewed abortion as a women's right type of thing.

06:19:29.440 Me too.

06:19:29.800 I'm not saying that men should have the right.

06:19:31.760 I'm just saying that the baby is also a human.

06:19:34.820 That's really all.

06:19:35.620 Can we talk about the Daisy thing?

06:19:36.860 How did you get Daisy on here?

06:19:37.920 Hold on.

06:19:38.440 Okay, we're not going to go there.

06:19:39.400 No?

06:19:39.980 We're not going to go there.

06:19:40.660 I really have thoughts about that.

06:19:41.820 That's a fourth dimensional question.

06:19:43.340 Yeah, we're not going to go there.

06:19:45.700 I'm trying to recall where we left off.

06:19:48.100 If I can get this back on track so we can hopefully wrap up the show soon.

06:19:51.640 Well, we left off at you being called a misogynist.

06:19:54.840 Oh, hateful?

06:19:55.820 Last thing.

06:19:56.360 Can you give me anything hateful that I've said?

06:19:58.020 And then I'm going to move this on.

06:19:59.460 Would you answer my question?

06:20:01.160 What's your question?

06:20:02.120 My question is, how do you define the patriarchy and what do you think it's doing right now?

06:20:06.720 Well, see, this is where I differ from Andrew.

06:20:08.480 I actually, I don't think that there's actually a patriarchy.

06:20:11.860 I think this is essentially a feminist conspiracy theory.

06:20:15.760 That's it.

06:20:16.340 I don't think that there's a patriarchy because I don't view this dynamic of it being men are in positions of power because they're men.

06:20:27.660 I think they're in positions of power probably more so to do with class than anything.

06:20:34.300 Thanks for answering.

06:20:35.220 Yeah, I don't believe that there's a patriarchy.

06:20:39.180 Okay.

06:20:39.800 At least, I mean, there's different definitions of it, right?

06:20:42.080 But this idea that men are advantaged, men have all this privilege, male privilege, women have no privilege, women are so disadvantaged, all these men are doing fantastic.

06:20:53.660 As a man, you step into a job and you're immediately the CEO.

06:20:58.060 No.

06:20:59.260 Can I say something?

06:20:59.760 And I thought maybe that's a straw man.

06:21:01.080 Maybe that's not fair, but.

06:21:02.360 I think the point, the fact that you're missing within that, because what you said is kind of valid, but what you're missing within that is the fact that men are also disadvantaged by the patriarchy.

06:21:13.700 It's not clear if it's.

06:21:14.900 Like, how do you not see that?

06:21:15.400 Because of the patriarchy, though.

06:21:17.240 Yeah.

06:21:17.660 Like, men that created the patriarchy disadvantaged other men below them.

06:21:21.560 Like, it's a whole class thing, too.

06:21:22.940 It's not just.

06:21:23.580 I don't think the, I think that it's more of a hierarchy thing than, well, okay.

06:21:28.460 Because, like, for example, like, right quick, super quick example, the patriarchy doesn't like men being really emotional and crying, for example, right?

06:21:35.160 Neither do women.

06:21:36.240 Neither do women.

06:21:37.080 But that stemmed from.

06:21:38.040 Women are repulsed, actually, by it.

06:21:39.580 And you can lie and say, I want a man, let's bring it back to dating, I want a man to be vulnerable in front of me.

06:21:46.300 This is actually just, you might say that.

06:21:48.440 It's the politically correct thing to say.

06:21:50.680 It sounds good to say it.

06:21:52.060 I want a man to be vulnerable.

06:21:53.600 But the reality is, is you actually don't.

06:21:55.800 No, what we don't like is when men, like, they weaponize that vulnerability and they'll cry just when it's convenient.

06:22:03.120 Like, for example, you catch them cheating and then they're bawling their eyes out.

06:22:07.500 Not what I'm talking about.

06:22:09.040 Well, that's the only time when it's relevant.

06:22:11.760 Men cry when they get caught cheating?

06:22:14.360 Yeah.

06:22:16.460 But besides that, like, women don't get mad at men's emotional stuff.

06:22:20.560 I feel like that's literally the opposite, right?

06:22:23.740 Isn't it usually women?

06:22:25.800 Who would they get caught cheating, cry, or women who use crying and emotional manipulation and not men?

06:22:31.460 GMD Jim donated $200.

06:22:34.140 Holy shite.

06:22:35.320 Holy shite.

06:22:36.040 These spoiled little girls finally have a man pushed back against their bad ideas for once in their life when they melt down.

06:22:42.680 We need a Frank Castle moment.

06:22:45.060 Hello, Peyton.

06:22:46.160 Good to see you.

06:22:47.080 Oh, she's in the bathroom.

06:22:48.260 Oh, she's in the bathroom.

06:22:49.060 So to respond to this, though, isn't it usually women who are the ones who cry to get the things that they want?

06:22:54.720 I don't see a lot of men crying to get the things that they want, to be perfectly honest with you.

06:22:59.320 I just don't see it much.

06:23:01.480 Do you see it a lot?

06:23:03.120 Do you?

06:23:03.600 Do you?

06:23:04.000 Do you?

06:23:04.280 Do you?

06:23:04.580 Do you?

06:23:04.600 Do you?

06:23:04.620 Do you?

06:23:04.640 Do you?

06:23:05.000 Do you?

06:23:05.080 Do you?

06:23:05.460 In college, sadly, that's the new thing I've seen.

06:23:10.060 Oh, we have to go.

06:23:10.660 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

06:23:14.520 The patriarchy is in the home, not a class thing.

06:23:17.940 As patriarchy, it is my job to lead my family.

06:23:21.240 Failures are mine and mine alone.

06:23:23.560 I am the patriarchy, and you strumpets know nothing of my work.

06:23:28.180 So to get this right, the patriarchy oppresses men by telling them not to be in tune with their

06:23:35.100 emotions, and you say, unfortunately, all these men who are in tune with their emotions at my

06:23:40.160 college, they suck.

06:23:42.480 No, no, no, no, no.

06:23:43.260 Did I get that right?

06:23:44.260 No, you really twisted my words.

06:23:46.460 Hold on.

06:23:46.800 Let me bring it to dating really quick on this whole vulnerability thing.

06:23:49.440 Let me ask you guys a question.

06:23:50.900 Would you prefer a man to approach you in a really confident manner?

06:23:54.600 Like, let's say, I don't know if you've been at a party.

06:23:57.340 A lot of you guys don't seem satisfied with dating apps, so maybe you'd prefer a guy to

06:24:01.220 approach you organically, maybe after a class or at a party.

06:24:04.700 Would you prefer a man to approach you confidently or, well, hold on.

06:24:10.020 Let me change the framing here.

06:24:11.880 Would you prefer a man to approach you in a really confident way, super confident, or

06:24:15.940 a guy who was like a little bit bashful and shy, his eye contact was a bit shaky, not

06:24:21.160 being creepy, but like uncertain of himself?

06:24:23.820 Which do you prefer?

06:24:25.740 I feel like that's kind of hard to say, but I don't know.

06:24:29.640 To me, I feel like confidence can come off as cockiness sometimes to me.

06:24:34.120 Let's just assume it's not cockiness.

06:24:35.840 Let's just assume it's confidence.

06:24:38.540 I kind of think it's cute when they're a little shy.

06:24:41.680 So that's just me.

06:24:42.880 Okay.

06:24:43.840 Sorry.

06:24:45.000 Like, where's your curiosity in this?

06:24:46.440 Everyone likes confident people.

06:24:48.980 You think so?

06:24:49.740 She just said that she liked shy.

06:24:52.640 Okay, well then talk to her.

06:24:53.800 That's my answer.

06:24:55.520 What is your answer?

06:24:56.540 You prefer a guy to be, step to you, confident, right?

06:24:59.560 Yeah, but again, it's not on the basis of gender.

06:25:02.760 Okay.

06:25:04.480 Yeah, confident.

06:25:05.080 Well, it's not often that women ever do the approaching, so there's, men don't really

06:25:08.820 have the opportunity to give an analysis of if they prefer confident women or shy women,

06:25:13.700 but which do you prefer?

06:25:16.120 Confident.

06:25:16.580 You prefer a guy to be confident?

06:25:17.920 Confident.

06:25:18.380 Confident?

06:25:19.140 Confident.

06:25:19.620 Confident?

06:25:21.060 Shy.

06:25:22.180 Okay, what about you?

06:25:23.740 Confident.

06:25:24.440 Okay.

06:25:24.920 I would argue the vast majority of women would prefer men to step to them in a confident

06:25:28.900 manner instead of a sort of bashful, can't even hold eye contact, a little shaky, a little

06:25:33.860 nervous.

06:25:35.760 Brian.

06:25:36.160 This would be precise.

06:25:37.560 This would be a man being vulnerable to approach you, being scared, nervous, et cetera.

06:25:44.260 Yet, most women do not respond to men being in a vulnerable state of being either scared

06:25:51.760 to approach you, being nervous.

06:25:53.760 Most women, a lot of the women here, prefer a guy to approach you confidently.

06:26:00.840 Therefore, this whole, we like vulnerable men, it's kind of bogus, it's kind of bullshit.

06:26:04.860 But your example was like the worst you could have possibly had.

06:26:07.120 How is that the worst?

06:26:08.040 That's from the first time meeting.

06:26:08.980 That's the initial encounter.

06:26:10.220 Once you get to know someone, it's different.

06:26:12.100 There's a lot of confidence in vulnerability.

06:26:16.000 You're having this argument that vulnerability is innately weak.

06:26:20.520 And sure, there are women that could look at a man and say, he's crying.

06:26:24.500 What a less of a man he is.

06:26:26.200 But I'm not even making that argument.

06:26:27.520 I'm just saying from first approach, the very first opportunity you get to meet a man, he's

06:26:32.860 immediately being vulnerable by not being particularly confident.

06:26:37.100 His eye contact is shaky.

06:26:38.640 He's nervous.

06:26:39.860 Maybe his speech isn't on point.

06:26:42.380 Wouldn't that be a man?

06:26:43.940 Would you agree that that's a man in a vulnerable state?

06:26:47.880 But why would he have to say yes to a man just because he's in a vulnerable state?

06:26:52.520 You're not obliged to.

06:26:54.580 But you're putting it in the wrong context.

06:26:57.260 Women aren't asking.

06:26:58.300 Again, that's vulnerable.

06:26:59.820 But it's also vulnerable for someone to go up to someone confidently and ask for their

06:27:04.420 number or speak to them or whatever it is.

06:27:06.740 Because you're acting like they exist in different continuums.

06:27:10.360 They're the same thing for women.

06:27:12.120 You can be a strong-headed person and still be vulnerable.

06:27:15.380 The two aren't different is our point.

06:27:18.460 Well, the differential here.

06:27:19.840 I think you see vulnerability as a weakness in someone.

06:27:23.260 I think women don't want men to be more emotional.

06:27:27.640 I think they want them to open up more, if that makes sense.

06:27:32.540 So say what they've gone through or what they're going through.

06:27:35.860 That seems emotional.

06:27:36.640 Hold on.

06:27:37.780 I do got to move things on a little bit.

06:27:39.140 I'm very sorry.

06:27:39.780 We have ACL.

06:27:40.900 Yes, that was the point.

06:27:41.800 It's males.

06:27:42.340 I think this is in response to who's the primary victim of war.

06:27:46.200 There's a reason our government mandated men to have to enlist at 18.

06:27:49.420 It's not to belittle women but to protect women from war, from ACL 2008.

06:27:54.420 Hey, thank you, man.

06:27:54.820 I appreciate your message.

06:27:56.260 We do, excuse me, we have Banril, son of Bartek, okay, to snow white and the blue.

06:28:04.240 Would you date a man that is a single father?

06:28:06.640 Yeah.

06:28:08.160 Okay.

06:28:09.020 There you go.

06:28:09.680 There you have it, Bartek.

06:28:10.680 Thank you, man.

06:28:11.060 Appreciate it.

06:28:11.880 And then we do have Ben George coming in here in just a sec.

06:28:15.600 Thank you, man.

06:28:16.140 Thank you, Ben.

06:28:16.620 Appreciate it.

06:28:18.580 One sec, guys.

06:28:19.640 There's just a time.

06:28:20.980 There we go.

06:28:21.580 Women hold all the power.

06:28:22.540 You grow all humans.

06:28:23.540 You need men whom you give no power to after the fact because patriarchy.

06:28:27.340 So why are you all so insecure and afraid of men?

06:28:32.780 What?

06:28:34.360 I'm a little confused, too.

06:28:35.360 We can agree on that.

06:28:37.500 Why are you also, there you go, common ground, right, Audrey?

06:28:41.320 There you go.

06:28:42.020 Common ground.

06:28:42.540 We have common ground.

06:28:47.880 Never mind.

06:28:48.540 Okay.

06:28:49.000 Do you guys want to answer it?

06:28:50.080 Why are you afraid of men?

06:28:52.180 No, I don't want to answer that because I don't need to explain the nuance to you and spoon feed it to you.

06:28:59.500 The nuance exists and you can believe it or not.

06:29:02.600 Sorry if that sounded rude.

06:29:05.820 It's just true.

06:29:09.060 Okay.

06:29:09.600 Good times.

06:29:10.420 Good times.

06:29:11.060 Let me see here.

06:29:12.460 Well, time-wise, let me just go over some of my notes.

06:29:15.280 Let's see.

06:29:18.500 I just want to make sure I, time is limited and we do have to do the brief chaos roast section.

06:29:26.360 So we're going to do that for 10 minutes and then we're going to wrap up the show.

06:29:29.420 So let me get that changed.

06:29:32.320 Let me see here.

06:29:33.580 Brian, could I say one thing?

06:29:34.800 Yeah, go for it.

06:29:35.680 Hi, GMD.

06:29:36.660 Good to see you.

06:29:37.400 All right.

06:29:41.080 Let me just check a couple things here, guys.

06:29:43.860 Hold on.

06:29:44.600 We're going to switch it here in just a sec.

06:29:47.060 We're going to do the chaos mode for 10 minutes and then we're going to wrap up the show for those of you who do want to get chats in who can't do it at the higher rate.

06:29:56.580 So let me just double check and make sure that's all enabled.

06:30:02.480 Any thoughts from you guys over here while I'm doing that?

06:30:07.400 Just any thoughts?

06:30:08.780 Yeah, go for it.

06:30:11.320 It's cool being on the show.

06:30:14.100 Dating thoughts?

06:30:15.260 Oh.

06:30:16.660 I don't know.

06:30:16.900 You guys complain.

06:30:17.520 We haven't talked about dating.

06:30:18.580 I'm saying talk about dating.

06:30:19.820 Give me something.

06:30:20.780 Oh, weren't we going to answer peen size preference?

06:30:23.780 Okay, fuck it.

06:30:24.580 Starting over here.

06:30:25.600 Go ahead.

06:30:27.100 I'm cool with average.

06:30:30.460 It's dating related.

06:30:32.920 Yeah.

06:30:34.060 Go ahead.

06:30:34.980 Eight.

06:30:36.020 Oh, wow.

06:30:37.400 I don't really want to answer.

06:30:39.820 This is kind of weird.

06:30:40.860 All right.

06:30:41.580 Yeah, I don't really care to answer.

06:30:44.380 Me either.

06:30:45.000 I don't care.

06:30:46.180 It's a really superficial dating question.

06:30:51.080 I'm just going to pass on answering that.

06:30:53.460 Yeah, I saw Nick.

06:30:54.660 Yeah.

06:30:56.020 All right.

06:30:56.500 It should be changed, guys.

06:30:57.400 If you want, we're going to do.

06:31:01.100 Well, did you show it?

06:31:03.260 No, I'm going to show it after.

06:31:04.400 Okay.

06:31:07.460 Go ahead.

06:31:08.400 Show it.

06:31:09.860 Hold on.

06:31:10.500 Ben donated $20.

06:31:12.900 I don't understand how 80% of the pod jerks off over Andrew.

06:31:17.640 His little room smells like shit.

06:31:19.640 He smokes two packs a pod and argues with teens all day.

06:31:23.580 Red cardigan cook.

06:31:25.160 Ditch the greasy leech.

06:31:26.920 A.D.

06:31:27.220 What does that mean?

06:31:29.280 What part?

06:31:30.140 Real Trump donated $20.

06:31:32.060 What is the leech?

06:31:32.780 Karen oops.

06:31:33.500 I mean Audrey.

06:31:34.240 Please stay in blue states.

06:31:36.040 You are a certified libtard.

06:31:37.780 We don't want moving to red states.

06:31:39.400 This is the roast section.

06:31:40.420 I'm praying Trump extends the wall around the left coast.

06:31:44.060 You guys can respond if you want.

06:31:45.380 You can roast back.

06:31:46.200 Old man marine donated $20.

06:31:49.120 White men ended slavery and America allows every race into this country.

06:31:53.680 Stop being so bitter over the past and learn to be grateful for what we have today.

06:31:58.520 You are the racist minus power.

06:32:00.860 Graal Zulu donated $20.

06:32:06.160 Sorry to the rest of the panel.

06:32:07.980 We weren't expecting Redshirt to hijack the show.

06:32:10.880 To the girl whose sweater can't stay on her shoulder, thank you for being so pleasant.

06:32:16.660 You two braces.

06:32:18.420 Oh, there you go.

06:32:20.120 Passionate 40-year-old Brian donated $20.

06:32:24.000 To summarize the Bumble segment, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

06:32:30.180 So true.

06:32:31.000 So true, though.

06:32:32.400 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

06:32:34.060 Can we get a sprinkler from somebody?

06:32:35.640 Give me a sprinkler, guys.

06:32:36.800 Give me a sprinkler.

06:32:37.580 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

06:32:38.740 Andrew loves this segment.

06:32:39.740 It's his favorite segment of the show.

06:32:41.420 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

06:32:49.880 Goddamn, what the hell?

06:32:51.060 No, no, no, no, no, no.

06:32:51.900 podem be.

06:32:53.580 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

06:32:53.920 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

06:32:56.340 Could you read this one?

06:32:57.520 No.

06:32:58.340 Oh, it's, okay.

06:32:59.320 Who can I read it?

06:32:59.980 If you want to be a good sport, then read it.

06:33:03.440 Girl in Red is an entitled beach, anti-veteran,

06:33:07.540 daddy paying for a BS feminism degree.

06:33:09.960 She is, actually.

06:33:11.140 J.F.U. donated $20.

06:33:12.000 Thanks, Dad.

06:33:12.100 For the girls whining,

06:33:14.520 did you not all volunteer to be on the podcast?

06:33:17.860 Do you know lucky you are?

06:33:19.680 You spoiled entitled little.

06:33:21.820 Life on easy mood.

06:33:22.960 You've never been physically disciplined in IT shows.

06:33:26.720 What the fuck?

06:33:28.140 Ryan Calloway donated $20.

06:33:31.340 Olga Moskalai overcalled her mom three times

06:33:34.140 while being eaten by a bear.

06:33:36.420 Anyone who picks the bear hasn't considered

06:33:38.720 the horror of being eaten alive.

06:33:40.620 Dot that aside, great panel.

06:33:42.880 Much love to Hayley especially.

06:33:44.800 Thank you, Ryan.

06:33:45.740 Appreciate it.

06:33:46.380 Big Sas Energy donated $20.

06:33:49.240 Red shirt, so ideologically possessed.

06:33:51.760 It's obvious to watch her knowingly feel her world.

06:33:55.120 You crumble around her as she gets pushback

06:33:57.400 and resorts to name-calling and brat-iness.

06:34:00.480 What a loser.

06:34:02.160 Hey, be nice.

06:34:03.480 Real Trump donated $20.

06:34:05.540 Be nice.

06:34:06.100 To the woman who believes females can be preachers,

06:34:09.140 I wouldn't trust a woman to teach me

06:34:11.100 how to heat up a Pop-Tart letter

06:34:12.640 and preach the sermon on the mountain.

06:34:14.440 You misogynist.

06:34:15.760 You fucking misogynist.

06:34:20.440 The chat is absolutely blank.

06:34:22.460 All of them are virgins.

06:34:23.600 Andrew is still abusive.

06:34:25.560 Tribal diet.

06:34:26.220 Red cardigan cooked.

06:34:28.300 Andrew's the leech, not you.

06:34:29.500 I will say,

06:34:30.320 even though we disagreed on stuff,

06:34:33.200 I appreciate the pushback.

06:34:34.280 I appreciate it.

06:34:35.720 It's good.

06:34:36.040 Red shirt is crazy.

06:34:37.000 Yeah, you're really smart.

06:34:37.920 Wait, what do they mean by cooked?

06:34:39.320 Does that mean like,

06:34:39.940 oh, she's being good?

06:34:41.260 Oh, oh, cooked is good.

06:34:42.620 Oh.

06:34:42.720 Oh, oh, cooked is good.

06:34:44.680 That's good, yeah.

06:34:45.460 So that attitude is 010.

06:34:49.500 Jeremy donated $20.

06:34:51.900 Andrew for president.

06:34:53.540 I will show my daughter the clip

06:34:55.360 that you don't care what she thinks,

06:34:57.420 feels, or deserves.

06:34:59.500 Brian for VP.

06:35:01.320 Andrew, any political ambitions?

06:35:03.100 You're going to run for president, Andrew.

06:35:04.480 Thumbs up.

06:35:05.080 Thumbs up, Andrew.

06:35:06.180 Thumbs up, Andrew.

06:35:06.820 President.

06:35:07.540 Baby rage mad credit red.

06:35:09.960 Nuance this.

06:35:11.240 Nuance that.

06:35:12.500 Throw a harder tantrum

06:35:13.760 about not being agreed with.

06:35:15.460 Won't even give her opinion.

06:35:17.800 Coward.

06:35:18.700 No balls.

06:35:20.040 Enjoy your sins.

06:35:20.700 She is a woman, to be fair.

06:35:21.880 You'll never truly love them.

06:35:25.100 Jessica reloaded genetic $20.

06:35:28.140 If you insist,

06:35:29.040 bro, my sprinkler goes like this.

06:35:32.500 Oh, my gosh.

06:35:38.440 It sounds like it, right?

06:35:45.460 That was beautiful.

06:35:46.240 Thank you, thank you.

06:35:46.860 Colonizer donated $20.

06:35:49.400 Brian, ask Musk to install his brain chip

06:35:52.160 in these broads like he did with his monkeys.

06:35:54.800 Huh?

06:35:55.220 Since you're evil,

06:35:56.700 maybe it'd help them communicate.

06:35:59.220 Two and five,

06:36:00.280 you should be making B&A sandwiches

06:36:02.220 and smile more.

06:36:03.460 Various crazy people donated $20.

06:36:08.260 I don't think they were triggered much.

06:36:12.260 I don't think they were triggered much.

06:36:13.900 Then they get angry when their arguments

06:36:15.720 are dismantled with logic.

06:36:17.960 The ladies are more concerned with the tone.

06:36:22.700 Real Trump donated $20.

06:36:24.460 Andrew, I have been trying to keep up

06:36:27.180 with your drinks

06:36:27.840 and I'm officially sourced.

06:36:30.040 I know I'm a lightweight,

06:36:31.320 but damn,

06:36:31.740 your liver must be made of steel.

06:36:34.020 I see you rocking the Superman curl haircut.

06:36:37.580 Andrew, any thoughts on that?

06:36:38.880 Anonymous donated $23.

06:36:41.600 The intelligence of the ladies

06:36:43.240 on this podcast tonight

06:36:44.640 is proof that they need

06:36:45.840 to get out of college.

06:36:47.600 You're being brainwashed.

06:36:49.460 Brian, Gustavo, and Andrew

06:36:51.400 are brave and decent men.

06:36:52.920 They're pioneers.

06:36:56.480 Old man Marine donated $20.

06:36:59.520 Let's weed out more spies.

06:37:01.780 Question for the panel.

06:37:03.220 Is Taiwan a country?

06:37:12.080 David Tuzekciak donated $20.

06:37:14.840 Is it Audrey?

06:37:16.060 The red shirt girl.

06:37:17.720 Really do respect you,

06:37:19.080 cause you hold your own

06:37:20.340 and are strong in many ways.

06:37:22.060 Keep it up.

06:37:23.820 Best to all.

06:37:24.640 I just want to say,

06:37:25.200 I'm not mad at you at all

06:37:26.640 for like making that.

06:37:27.400 I actually enjoyed that you-

06:37:28.660 I don't think you're mad.

06:37:30.080 It was good content for you, actually.

06:37:30.820 Imagine a surgeon operating on you saying,

06:37:32.980 I don't need logic.

06:37:34.120 It's good content.

06:37:34.180 It's good to have conversations.

06:37:35.040 I'm not mad.

06:37:35.760 I'm not mad.

06:37:35.780 I don't need logic.

06:37:37.420 Alright, that's good.

06:37:38.040 An engineer designing a building,

06:37:40.240 I don't need logic.

06:37:41.980 Saying you don't need logic is insane.

06:37:44.260 Ben donated $20.

06:37:48.760 Yo, chat the brace face next to Brian

06:37:51.060 is who you in sales will end up with.

06:37:52.980 Oh.

06:37:57.060 You want to show your braces?

06:38:00.440 Alright, there you go.

06:38:01.540 Nolan donated $20.

06:38:03.800 Audrey, you are pretty on the outside,

06:38:05.840 but what happened to your personality on the inside?

06:38:09.300 What do you mean?

06:38:10.080 Okay, if I can be charitable,

06:38:11.160 she's been invited to participate in a podcast

06:38:13.580 where we have adversarial conversations.

06:38:16.600 James underscore Matadobra donated $20.

06:38:20.320 From red shirt perspective,

06:38:21.800 trying to find out her beliefs equals disagreement

06:38:24.680 equals not listening to her equals her being angry.

06:38:28.420 Vocal tonality and attitude should have been adjusted earlier.

06:38:32.260 Was painful listening.

06:38:37.040 Roses are red, violets are blue,

06:38:38.800 my legs don't work,

06:38:40.080 red,

06:38:40.960 blank,

06:38:41.420 you.

06:38:42.800 Dark Code 9,

06:38:43.780 shots fired,

06:38:44.720 shots fired.

06:38:46.200 Go fuck yourself.

06:38:46.860 Good thing those legs don't work.

06:38:48.240 Yeah.

06:38:48.840 Did you guys see the roast of Tom Brady?

06:38:50.940 Jeremy donated $20.

06:38:51.960 I actually was watching it last night.

06:38:53.100 Tough shite,

06:38:54.180 Andrew and Brian,

06:38:55.900 right in.

06:38:57.040 Uh, wait.

06:38:58.320 What does that mean, Jeremy?

06:38:59.860 What does that mean, brother?

06:39:01.160 Thank you, bro.

06:39:01.980 Thank you, man.

06:39:02.380 Appreciate it.

06:39:02.920 Jeremy talks so much.

06:39:05.880 Rafael Rivers donated $20.

06:39:07.820 Guys, it has to be through Streamlabs.

06:39:09.060 The Red Top might be one of the dumbest young ladies you have ever had on the show.

06:39:13.580 Feminism and modern education have ruined this young lady.

06:39:16.980 I'm not dumb enough to spend $20 on a random show.

06:39:20.020 Boom.

06:39:20.460 Roasted.

06:39:20.800 Roasted, Rafael.

06:39:21.920 The chicken red kept rolling her eyes back.

06:39:26.040 She must have been looking for her brain with us.

06:39:28.820 Lol.

06:39:30.020 Is this the roast of Audrey?

06:39:31.640 It's funny.

06:39:32.340 Yeah.

06:39:33.180 Guys, can you roast Madison, please?

06:39:35.240 Do a little roast on Madison.

06:39:36.180 Church underscore,

06:39:36.700 Roast me.

06:39:37.100 Roast me.

06:39:37.380 Roast me.

06:39:37.980 Roast me.

06:39:38.300 Donated $20.

06:39:39.940 This panel is full of Schrodinger's feminists.

06:39:43.460 They're strong and independent,

06:39:45.260 and also abused and oppressed,

06:39:46.960 and will choose which one to embrace depending on the situation.

06:39:52.820 Bear in the Woods donated $20.

06:39:55.540 Throwing a party in the woods.

06:39:57.920 That's actually kind of clever.

06:39:59.420 Come alone.

06:40:00.560 No need to be in food.

06:40:02.460 I'll be there.

06:40:03.360 Yeah, that was a good one.

06:40:05.100 I'll be there.

06:40:05.520 There's a bear in the woods.

06:40:06.660 What kind of bear, though?

06:40:07.560 Is it a pole?

06:40:07.940 Ivan Jr. Donated $20.

06:40:10.480 Little Red Riding Hood and her friend Blonde met Mr. Andrew.

06:40:14.500 In return, they huffed and puffed,

06:40:15.960 rambling nothing, poop, braces,

06:40:18.860 and platinum Blonde gives some hope.

06:40:21.440 Brain, the panel needs getting before joining.

06:40:26.220 Canada One SD donated $20.

06:40:29.240 Brian looking good for $45.

06:40:31.380 The chick in the red is such a disrespectful booter

06:40:34.140 who should keep her mouth shut and never speak again.

06:40:36.740 Best place for her is the Gaza Strip.

06:40:39.040 See if she speaks like that there.

06:40:41.240 That's rough.

06:40:41.740 Too soon.

06:40:42.640 Too soon.

06:40:43.420 Whatever donated $20.

06:40:45.740 The red shirt is a classic gaslighter.

06:40:48.160 You gaslit me.

06:40:48.580 She called you a misogynist,

06:40:50.200 then gasped out when pushed back.

06:40:51.520 I think you gaslit me first, but...

06:40:55.080 Do you know what that means?

06:40:56.160 Straight from a gaslighter's playbook.

06:40:59.100 It's like a mutual gaslighter.

06:41:00.980 Yeah.

06:41:02.340 That's why my backwards.

06:41:03.000 969 quintillion 696 quadrillion 969 trillion 696 billion 969 million 696,969 donated $20.

06:41:19.660 Number 1 equals 7.

06:41:22.480 Number 2 equals 0.

06:41:24.700 Number 3 equals 2.

06:41:26.760 Number 4 equals 1.

06:41:28.540 Number 5 equals 2.

06:41:30.520 Number 6 equals 2.

06:41:32.460 Number 7 equals 1.

06:41:34.380 Number 8 equals 1.

06:41:35.880 You got a lot coming in.

06:41:36.560 One of the worst panels.

06:41:38.360 These fours are trash.

06:41:38.960 No, I thought he was a good panel.

06:41:41.680 I don't...

06:41:42.040 They don't have to agree with me.

06:41:44.060 It's fine.

06:41:44.440 They don't have to agree with me.

06:41:45.080 It's fine.

06:41:45.720 So women cry to get their way?

06:41:47.820 Okay then.

06:41:48.840 If I cry hard enough, will I get a Bugatti?

06:41:51.700 Yes.

06:41:52.140 Hashtag pineapples in the chat.

06:41:54.920 No one...

06:41:55.260 No one...

06:41:55.700 Pineapples in the chat.

06:41:57.000 Boys, I want spam the pineapples.

06:41:58.560 Brian's fatter dump truck donated $20.

06:42:00.440 I enter the room 5 minutes after Brian does.

06:42:03.940 What?

06:42:04.900 Bro, what the fuck?

06:42:06.980 It's a compliment.

06:42:08.780 Why everybody...

06:42:09.780 Last show, they're talking about my dump truck.

06:42:11.420 The Common Sensible donated $20.

06:42:14.100 Oh, shit.

06:42:15.060 The women that believe in this insane wokeism wonder why men and women are internationally

06:42:20.300 hyper-polarized in dating and politics now?

06:42:23.520 It is only widening.

06:42:25.100 In the end, men hold the authority, not women.

06:42:30.040 Bob Saget donated $20.

06:42:32.700 Red Shirt had such a bad attitude the whole pod, then smiles and laughs when the simps show

06:42:38.240 up.

06:42:38.980 Brian, what do you bench?

06:42:40.480 About Tree Fitty.

06:42:44.120 Tree Fitty.

06:42:45.200 The man you thirst for donated $20.

06:42:48.180 Red Shirt, it's no wonder you've been single for so long.

06:42:51.820 Bad decisions.

06:42:53.440 Bad thoughts.

06:42:54.900 Arrogance.

06:42:56.080 Truly ugly inside.

06:42:57.840 You are your own punishment.

06:42:59.280 I can fix her.

06:43:00.500 I can fix her.

06:43:01.300 Alt 10 donated $20.

06:43:03.360 To the feminists, you are being lied to.

06:43:06.380 I'm my own punishment, actually.

06:43:08.880 I think that's a good line.

06:43:09.820 Yeah.

06:43:09.940 Yeah.

06:43:09.960 Yeah.

06:43:11.020 Feminists are part of the communist movement that divides us all by race, gender.

06:43:16.180 The enemy of freedom.

06:43:19.340 Ben George donated $20.

06:43:21.100 You were taught what to think, not how to think.

06:43:25.000 Money well spent by your daddy.

06:43:27.340 Even when told you hold all the power of creation, you still blame everyone else for your insecurity

06:43:33.060 and argue.

06:43:33.940 Oh, my God.

06:43:34.540 The guy with rodents donated $20.

06:43:39.280 Still no one answered my question.

06:43:42.120 WTF is 10 plus 15.

06:43:44.700 I consulted various annals of history, also virgin sacrifice for God to give me an answer.

06:43:51.120 PLS answer.

06:43:52.580 P.S.

06:43:52.920 I couldn't find any virgin for sacrificing.

06:43:56.920 Okay.

06:43:58.360 Larson donated $20.

06:43:59.820 Better watch out, Brian and Andrew, both of y'all might catch the misogyny, ooh.

06:44:05.560 Ooh.

06:44:06.440 Ooh.

06:44:07.540 That TTS voice just, ooh.

06:44:10.520 Uh, yeah, I've caught this, and I've caught it.

06:44:13.820 Termiotops for donated $20.

06:44:16.500 Audrey, why don't you like hookup culture?

06:44:18.780 It's brought to you by feminism, a Clyde Tard suck.

06:44:23.520 Wait, and, uh, we missed a 200 chat in it?

06:44:27.820 Do you know what it was?

06:44:28.780 I'm missing Larry $7,272 donated $20.

06:44:33.640 Can you try to figure out which one?

06:44:34.120 I really enjoy the show, but I do have a question.

06:44:37.200 Would you ever consider getting some closed captioning?

06:44:40.580 I'm hard of hearing, and it would make it easier to follow.

06:44:43.340 Well, after the show-

06:44:44.460 Thanks for the consideration.

06:44:46.400 After the show, there's automatic transcript after, like, 24 hours.

06:44:50.660 There's a transcript, and it'll do closed captioning.

06:44:52.920 You have to wait 24 hours, though.

06:44:54.940 What was the joke?

06:44:56.440 Men are hunters, and women are gatherers?

06:44:59.780 Uh, I-

06:45:00.900 Yeah?

06:45:02.720 Rito, please, donated $20.

06:45:05.240 The husband's stitch does happen.

06:45:07.100 Wait, guys, read this one.

06:45:07.640 When my son was born, the doctor looked at me and winked and said, I'm gonna throw in an extra stitch for you.

06:45:14.120 Okay.

06:45:14.680 I saw that clip.

06:45:28.120 The two brown bears.

06:45:29.360 So true.

06:45:30.200 That shit's crazy.

06:45:30.980 They poop while they fight, though.

06:45:35.580 It's crazy, Seth.

06:45:36.600 Yeah, they shit while they fight.

06:45:37.980 I hope you change your mind about men and give them some real value in your life.

06:45:42.360 Last thing.

06:45:43.360 We, men, we are not disposable.

06:45:46.580 BTW, give more spotlight to Kiki.

06:45:49.440 Hashtag, where's Kiki?

06:45:51.160 She's back.

06:45:51.840 She's back there, man.

06:45:53.220 Real Trump donated $20.

06:45:55.860 Feminism, because not all women can be pretty.

06:45:58.920 If only the feminist tawdry put all her passion into cooking.

06:46:02.840 And I'm a millionaire, so spending 20 bucks to roast your ass is well worth it.

06:46:07.680 Real Trump, I have both.

06:46:09.600 Hello donated $20.

06:46:12.000 Brian, have you ever hooked up with one of your guests?

06:46:14.680 What?

06:46:15.660 Oh.

06:46:16.840 What the hell?

06:46:19.000 Silence.

06:46:19.760 Yeah, have you?

06:46:22.640 Oh, he's next.

06:46:25.820 $369 donated $20.

06:46:28.220 Imagine thinking red shirt is hot and then having to live with her facial expressions day in and day out.

06:46:34.640 Cruella over there hates men and puppies.

06:46:37.600 Which one's Cruella?

06:46:39.680 Sean underscore in underscore Carly donated $20.

06:46:42.860 I feel like red shirt saying she's not angry is kind of like my wife saying she's not hungry while I'm ordering food, only to have her eat half the order.

06:46:53.240 Yeah, what's that about?

06:46:53.860 I would actually say it was kind of like that, so.

06:46:57.780 Big sass energy donated $20.

06:47:00.700 To red, calls TTS donators dumb to spend an inconsequential amount of money for fun via chat, but she surely will desire a high income man.

06:47:10.060 You're just poor.

06:47:11.120 I'm $300 richer after this.

06:47:13.440 Bucky Larson donated $21.

06:47:16.520 My ears are bleeding from listening to these ladies tonight.

06:47:20.260 Brian, you're the man.

06:47:21.640 I've been watching your podcast ever since Kiko did her rage quit.

06:47:26.600 I'm shocked no rage quit tonight.

06:47:29.340 Oh, man, so you've been around for a while, man.

06:47:30.820 Appreciate it.

06:47:31.160 Jess Gerald donated $20.

06:47:32.560 Jesus, I'll buy you a sweater that stays up on your shoulders.

06:47:37.840 Get this girl a sweater that doesn't fall?

06:47:44.900 It's cute.

06:47:45.740 Get her a sweater, boys.

06:47:46.680 Donated $20.

06:47:48.000 Because you don't have $20 until daddy gives it to you.

06:47:52.260 Red shirt, forehead.

06:47:53.960 Do you roll on show in Williams or Benjamin Moore?

06:47:57.500 We see the pockmarks and weak wrists.

06:48:00.820 On the ballot, Brian, write in.

06:48:03.900 Okay.

06:48:04.580 Charlotte Tilbury.

06:48:04.920 Big Sass Energy donated $20.

06:48:07.720 Brian, stand up and spin so we can see that dumper.

06:48:11.000 How are you going to...

06:48:11.520 Another $20 stupid being spent.

06:48:14.580 Come on, boys.

06:48:15.380 Please don't objectify me, boys.

06:48:17.780 Please.

06:48:18.540 Don't objectify me.

06:48:19.940 Okay.

06:48:20.100 Canada 1 SD donated $20.

06:48:22.920 You're not dumb enough to spend 20.

06:48:24.880 You saw red shirt, but you're dumb enough to come on the podcast and speak.

06:48:28.580 It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

06:48:34.920 6-9-6-9-6-9-blah-blah-blah-blah donated $20.

06:48:40.300 So if number 1 is a 7, then how is number 5 a 10 when she looks like shit?

06:48:46.140 Also this scallywag strumpet Audrey should do us all a favor and go find a bear in the woods and die.

06:48:53.920 Daniel donated $20.

06:48:55.740 Who is the young brunette or the blonde Ukrainian?

06:49:00.060 Let me get those digits.

06:49:01.480 I can promise our children will be gorgeous, intelligent, and healthy.

06:49:06.660 I will take care of you like a man should.

06:49:09.500 Agaia bait.

06:49:12.700 Imphetus donated $20.

06:49:14.980 My mommy Daisy was a degenerate and so are many of you.

06:49:18.620 The view from heaven looks very sad.

06:49:21.300 Being brainless won't get you to eternal peace.

06:49:24.240 You will find yourself with fetus killers like my parents.

06:49:27.440 Perfect.

06:49:27.880 CloverTack donated $20.

06:49:32.480 Brian should have to buy every guest an AR-15.

06:49:35.720 You get a rifle.

06:49:37.000 You get a rifle.

06:49:38.160 Everybody gets a rifle.

06:49:40.920 Woohoo.

06:49:42.580 Everybody gets a rifle.

06:49:44.340 It's like Oprah.

06:49:45.280 Ryan Calloway donated $21.

06:49:47.060 Thank you, Ryan.

06:49:47.620 Appreciate it, man.

06:49:48.160 Love what you do, Brian.

06:49:50.500 Maddie, I'm looking forward to you hosting the in-between shows on Twitch.

06:49:54.860 And Audrey $20 is well spent on this podcast.

06:49:58.680 Good job holding your own tonight, though.

06:50:03.520 GMD Jim donated $20.

06:50:06.080 My nephew in the Air Force is forced to spend more time protecting these 304's freedom than time with his own children.

06:50:14.200 Put some respect in your voice when you speak of our military.

06:50:18.240 You ungrateful.

06:50:21.280 David, thank you, man.

06:50:22.080 She act donated $20.

06:50:24.300 Talk Esther, my face, man.

06:50:25.840 Do not disrespect red shirt.

06:50:28.260 She will tie you into a logic pretzel.

06:50:30.900 I respect debate.

06:50:32.160 A logic pretzel.

06:50:34.320 Okay.

06:50:34.960 David.

06:50:36.200 Roast Castic Decay donated $20.

06:50:39.480 Brian, you're so fat you don't fit in your flannel anymore.

06:50:43.020 Oh, boom roasted.

06:50:44.900 Nick, you got beat up by a girl.

06:50:47.260 Boom roasted.

06:50:48.420 Andrew, you have hairy arms.

06:50:50.660 Boom roasted.

06:50:51.960 Gustavo doesn't know English.

06:50:54.360 Boom.

06:50:56.520 Damn.

06:50:57.320 Brutal.

06:50:58.320 Audrey should take the helmet from Maddie to cover that.

06:51:01.340 Hey!

06:51:02.540 I'm getting a glare off my television.

06:51:05.040 She hasn't...

06:51:05.820 Her forehead's fine.

06:51:06.760 She's got a normal forehead, bro.

06:51:08.360 It's just the camera.

06:51:09.860 Maybe it's a big fat brain?

06:51:11.600 I don't know.

06:51:11.960 Ben George donated $20.

06:51:14.460 The warning is the best female rock band.

06:51:17.300 Okay.

06:51:17.600 No.

06:51:18.060 Thank you.

06:51:18.260 The best rock band that exists today.

06:51:20.500 It's giving us the pretty cool workout where you're like, thank you for sharing.

06:51:22.900 You'll thank you.

06:51:23.320 They all raise their hand.

06:51:24.260 Yo, Ben.

06:51:24.720 Thank you, man.

06:51:25.280 Appreciate it, Ben.

06:51:26.980 Anonymous donated $20.

06:51:29.260 The girl in red is disrespectful and the girl in the corner wherever she's at is disrespectful.

06:51:34.420 You can't talk about relationships because they don't want to answer the questions.

06:51:40.380 Man up and tag me in.

06:51:42.060 Thank you.

06:51:42.380 I appreciate it, brother.

06:51:44.160 Nicholas Alexander donated $20.

06:51:46.880 Can we talk about futurism?

06:51:49.440 Has been great points by girl in red and both Andrew.

06:51:53.120 But you guys didn't go deep enough.

06:51:56.420 Why hasn't there been a female pope president?

06:51:59.700 We all have value.

06:52:00.860 Did somebody fart?

06:52:01.420 Let's debate.

06:52:02.880 Did you fart?

06:52:04.000 Somebody farted.

06:52:05.440 Somebody farted.

06:52:06.040 I'll take the silence as a yes.

06:52:09.640 Are you sure it wasn't you?

06:52:15.280 Oh, I'll take the silence as a yes.

06:52:19.100 Maddie's huge head donated $20.

06:52:22.140 Brian, the pod becomes religious.

06:52:24.400 Boring is shit pod whenever you bring on the dorky captain.

06:52:27.300 Save a single mom.

06:52:28.960 Look at him.

06:52:29.800 That's a bag of trash.

06:52:31.340 Mr. Teninch arms and tits.

06:52:34.140 I'll smack his fat ass.

06:52:35.580 Mr. Bully underscore slide rule donated $20.

06:52:41.340 Ladies, if you wish to get back at Andrew, send him pineapple pizzas.

06:52:46.520 It's his favorite hashtag pineapple pizza in the chat.

06:52:50.400 Pineapple pizza for the win.

06:52:52.740 6-9-6-9-6-9-blah-blah-blah-blah-69 donated $20.

06:52:58.600 Beauty and intelligence, Audrey?

06:53:01.400 Nah, you have neither.

06:53:03.240 Trust us.

06:53:04.140 We have number five.

06:53:05.360 Fact check it.

06:53:06.320 Come on.

06:53:06.700 You fucking toast a brain strumpet.

06:53:09.440 What's a strumpet?

06:53:10.700 Lamb donated $20.

06:53:12.640 Like a promiscuous woman.

06:53:13.160 Andrew, all that matters is Australia is a country and red looks like the shit tofu I walked on.

06:53:18.920 But a strumpet.

06:53:19.640 It's like a promiscuous woman.

06:53:22.460 It's like a glorified word.

06:53:24.820 No, it's like an archaic term for promiscuous woman.

06:53:28.980 Oh, maybe that's why we don't use it anymore.

06:53:31.540 Definitely hotter than that tiny wrist hen.

06:53:34.260 To top it off, she was pretty quiet.

06:53:36.660 I'm sold.

06:53:37.640 Want to get married.

06:53:38.620 Big sass energy donated $20.

06:53:43.240 The girl in red shirt definitely farted.

06:53:46.140 What?

06:53:46.360 Do you want to?

06:53:47.260 Yes or no, was it?

06:53:48.980 No, it smells like sulfur in Santa Barbara because we're by the water.

06:53:52.120 Idiot.

06:53:53.340 Yeah, big sass energy.

06:53:54.760 The misogynist donated $20.

06:53:58.440 All you feminists suck and are degrading this country just so that you can delete babies and work for a living.

06:54:05.280 You will have a miserable life because no real man will want to be with you.

06:54:09.660 I farted.

06:54:10.960 Jeremy donated $50.

06:54:13.280 Please give her, G1, a whatever hoodie that fits.

06:54:17.480 Lady in yellow, thank you for speaking up.

06:54:20.620 Maddie woke up from her nap.

06:54:22.540 $22 per day.

06:54:25.580 $22 per day?

06:54:27.700 I do take an Amps a lot.

06:54:29.620 Wait, what does he say?

06:54:31.380 It's okay, me too.

06:54:32.440 Up ER, Aquatic donated $25.

06:54:35.480 Thank you, Aquatic.

06:54:36.240 For the panel, does pineapple belong on pizza?

06:54:39.200 Raise your hand if it belongs on pizza.

06:54:40.900 Absolutely not.

06:54:41.940 That is disgusting.

06:54:43.240 Delicious.

06:54:44.260 You guys need to be put on your own island or some shit.

06:54:47.980 That's crazy, son.

06:54:49.720 Delicious.

06:54:50.100 Well, I think that's it for those.

06:54:52.760 There might be a few more that trickle in, but I will give some closing remarks here.

06:54:57.360 Oh, here we go.

06:54:57.920 Christmas donated $20.

06:55:00.200 Want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?

06:55:02.640 Andrew's...

06:55:03.240 What's that?

06:55:08.080 Oh, yeah, it's fine.

06:55:09.780 I'll get it in a sec.

06:55:11.220 It's beautiful.

06:55:17.640 Okay, bye.

06:55:18.280 It's not good.

06:55:19.240 That's beautiful, Lloyd.

06:55:20.640 Vibrate in the dimension donated $20.

06:55:23.720 Oh, here we go.

06:55:24.260 Brian, answer this question honestly.

06:55:27.220 What is Kiki's body count?

06:55:29.520 My sprinkler goes like this.

06:55:31.540 Kiki back there.

06:55:33.520 Nice.

06:55:34.120 Her chastity is intact.

06:55:37.700 Her knees are broken.

06:55:39.980 Her knees are fucked up.

06:55:40.860 Oh, yeah.

06:55:41.500 She's not had carnal knowledge.

06:55:43.040 There's been no carnal knowledge.

06:55:44.220 Red shirt and feminist crybaby God just told me not to procreate.

06:55:48.900 Your thinking is flawed beyond the moral compass, the way a natural human is supposed to be.

06:55:54.540 You will suffer alone like my delusional mom.

06:55:57.460 No, come on.

06:55:58.580 Don't say that.

06:55:59.600 That was not right.

06:56:00.160 She's going to find a nice liberal feminist guy and maybe, do you want kids?

06:56:08.160 Do you want kids?

06:56:09.620 Yes.

06:56:10.960 No, I was just asking.

06:56:11.940 Yeah.

06:56:12.880 I was just asking.

06:56:13.920 Yeah.

06:56:14.560 I wasn't trying to like comment you or anything.

06:56:16.380 No, no, no.

06:56:16.840 It's chill.

06:56:17.480 Do you want the guy you date to be like liberal?

06:56:19.720 Like do you care about this politician?

06:56:21.500 Yeah, a little bit.

06:56:22.280 Okay.

06:56:22.600 Dark Code 9 donated $20.

06:56:24.760 Sorry, Gustavo.

06:56:25.720 Pineapple doesn't belong on pizza.

06:56:28.280 Heresy.

06:56:28.640 Oh, you're.

06:56:29.860 Okay.

06:56:31.160 Aubrey, would you.

06:56:32.360 It's Audrey with a D.

06:56:33.340 Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

06:56:36.720 What do you think of Gustavo?

06:56:39.540 He's fine.

06:56:40.220 He hasn't said anything.

06:56:40.840 Face soap donated $20.

06:56:42.760 Girl in red, it's nice to meet you.

06:56:45.660 Feel free to use me.

06:56:46.940 I'm better for your skin than all the caked on makeup.

06:56:50.800 She's not wearing.

06:56:51.360 She's actually not wearing.

06:56:51.880 Oh, he's saying to wash my face.

06:56:53.180 Face soap.

06:56:54.780 Yeah, he's actually not.

06:56:55.780 Nolan donated $20.

06:56:56.700 Doesn't look like wearing much makeup.

06:56:57.680 Audrey, you complained, Brian, not doing dating.

06:57:00.140 I don't have a boyfriend.

06:57:11.240 Oh, yes.

06:57:12.800 Okay.

06:57:13.140 Rito donated $20.

06:57:15.160 Brian, the girl in red was disrespectful at you, called you names, rolled her eyes when

06:57:20.380 you were talking, and yet you seem to be simping for her.

06:57:23.100 I can fix her, bro.

06:57:23.860 SMH.

06:57:24.140 I see potential.

06:57:25.260 I see potential.

06:57:26.120 I can fix her.

06:57:26.740 Rito, please donated $20.

06:57:30.240 Should we do the bow video for Audrey?

06:57:32.120 Should we do the bow video for Audrey?

06:57:32.560 What is that?

06:57:33.120 Is that the last thing?

06:57:34.060 That'll be the last thing, then we'll wrap the show once these are all in.

06:57:37.080 A lot are coming in now.

06:57:38.800 Yo, bow video.

06:57:40.800 We'll do that.

06:57:42.760 Grid One Motorsports donated $20.

06:57:45.120 That's right, guys.

06:57:46.100 You ladies need to read Rachel Wilson's book, Occult Feminism.

06:57:50.600 Buy it on Amazon.

06:57:52.040 I support you buying this book because Andrew gets the money to purchase more firearms.

06:57:57.460 It's in my cart now.

06:57:58.600 It's true.

06:57:59.340 Up here, Aquatic donated $25.

06:58:02.740 Show of hands.

06:58:03.100 Does anyone know how to change a tire on the panel?

06:58:06.260 Show of hands.

06:58:09.540 And I don't even drive.

06:58:11.080 Was that a Roman salute?

06:58:12.400 You were just...

06:58:12.960 Ben George donated $20.

06:58:17.060 Life is like a box of whatever panelists.

06:58:20.560 That's true.

06:58:21.340 What is that supposed to mean?

06:58:22.900 Like, you never know what you're going to get.

06:58:25.460 Let's go.

06:58:27.200 Thank you, Ben.

06:58:27.920 Ben George.

06:58:28.660 Thank you, man.

06:58:29.140 Thank you, Real Trump.

06:58:29.900 Real Trump donated $20.

06:58:31.120 Pretty sure Audrey would have looked like Daisy and Walter's kid.

06:58:36.080 Too bad she decided to rip her into little pieces and flush it down the toilet.

06:58:40.820 What a degenerate.

06:58:43.780 Ooh.

06:58:44.460 Yeah.

06:58:45.980 Red shirt.

06:58:47.620 Definitely farted.

06:58:48.280 I saw her lift her blank towards Maddie.

06:58:50.780 Smelt lovely.

06:58:56.800 I didn't fart.

06:58:58.520 Okay.

06:58:59.000 Bucky Larson donated $20.

06:59:01.640 I'm reading this new word, strumpet.

06:59:03.380 A woman who has many casual sexual encounters or relationships.

06:59:07.860 We should call sluts slash hoes strumpets from now on.

06:59:11.340 I'm bringing it out.

06:59:12.500 I'm actually on the train for this one.

06:59:13.260 You're a brave and a high-value virgin.

06:59:14.820 I reintroduced it.

06:59:17.660 Right?

06:59:18.180 Make the wage gap wider.

06:59:19.740 Donated $20.

06:59:21.040 Okay.

06:59:21.180 Question for the panel.

06:59:23.000 Raise your hand if you would date a guy who donates to the whatever podcast.

06:59:27.740 Hashtag justice for Nick.

06:59:29.360 Hashtag mute Gustavo number 8 at 18.

06:59:34.400 Jack the Tipper donated $20.

06:59:37.160 Some of the woman seemed to be as useful as Andrew's smoke detector.

06:59:41.540 I know I probably have to explain.

06:59:44.160 He's been smoking like a chimney and the damn thing hasn't gone off.

06:59:47.940 Must be broken.

06:59:48.820 Perseo calls donated $20.

06:59:53.660 When Red Shirt said hookup culture benefits everyone, Yael had something to say.

06:59:59.720 Get her, Yael.

07:00:00.920 Get her good.

07:00:02.080 I'm proud of you for pulling up your sleeve.

07:00:04.760 Go, Yael.

07:00:05.940 You got this.

07:00:07.020 A PR Aquatic donated $20.

07:00:10.000 If you do, I just want to ask, does it matter how the lug nuts go on?

07:00:14.520 Panel, does it matter?

07:00:16.320 Yes.

07:00:16.760 Does it matter, panel?

07:00:17.440 I think, I don't know.

07:00:19.320 Yes.

07:00:20.320 You don't know.

07:00:21.620 I thought you could change it.

07:00:22.160 David Terzechi have donated $20.

07:00:24.660 If you talk more S about Audrey, a.k.a. Red Shirt, come to my house.

07:00:29.360 Respect her.

07:00:30.300 I'm sorry, eh?

07:00:31.920 I think he's your fan.

07:00:33.600 He's a big fan.

07:00:34.160 Big Sass Energy donated $20.

07:00:39.820 She's got 10.

07:00:40.460 As much as I hate your current state, you do have potential.

07:00:43.880 Good.

07:00:44.320 Stay open-minded.

07:00:45.680 Yeah.

07:00:45.780 Drop the ad hominem attacks and the shitty attitude.

07:00:48.940 People engage you because you can be engageable.

07:00:52.100 That's good.

07:00:53.600 Yeah.

07:00:54.160 A compliment.

07:00:55.060 There you go.

07:00:55.400 Oh, Brizzy donated $21.

07:00:58.560 Disavow.

07:00:59.520 I hope your outlook on racism towards Caucasians doesn't come back to bite you.

07:01:04.960 P.S.

07:01:05.760 Throw that dumb thickie back, Brian.

07:01:07.920 Just like how throwback that Ben and Jerry's.

07:01:10.340 If you have a dumpy, what's the deal with that?

07:01:12.560 Oh, no.

07:01:12.880 Real Trump donated $20.

07:01:14.800 It's fucked up.

07:01:15.320 I know.

07:01:15.480 It's really hard.

07:01:16.240 It's tough.

07:01:17.240 He's dressed in a uniform from Germany and we all know how big fans they were of gas.

07:01:22.420 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

07:01:24.960 First of all, it's a Chilean, Chilean military uniform.

07:01:28.240 XDWHX donated $20.

07:01:31.160 Red Shirt didn't father.

07:01:33.000 That was a queen.

07:01:34.440 That's disgusting.

07:01:35.640 Hey.

07:01:35.860 But it looks like roast beef, too.

07:01:38.480 Well, hold on.

07:01:38.940 We don't shame Nick.

07:01:40.020 Big labia matter.

07:01:41.000 Hashtag big labia matter.

07:01:42.480 We don't shame that shit here.

07:01:43.420 Camo motor homie Tony donated $20.

07:01:46.340 Women in modernity will be safer from bears than men when enough bears die from herpes.

07:01:51.820 Hashtag conservation.

07:01:53.420 Hashtag save the bears.

07:01:57.780 Don't care donated $20.

07:02:00.540 Sweater girl, you are a real catch.

07:02:03.240 I hope you break from your weird ex situation and get a good man.

07:02:07.380 I think you don't care.

07:02:08.500 I hope so, too.

07:02:11.140 You're a fan of the boyfriend?

07:02:13.120 Big Sass Energy donated $20.

07:02:14.380 Yeah, that was like four years ago.

07:02:16.060 Brian, he'll be in the Santa Barbara area on June 22nd weekend.

07:02:21.000 As a tipper, I demand a date so I can see that dumper.

07:02:24.460 Whoa, hey, Big Sass.

07:02:25.760 Hold on.

07:02:26.300 I'm not that easy, okay?

07:02:28.300 Vortex Rango donated $23.03.

07:02:31.520 Can we end the show already?

07:02:34.380 This is taking too long, mate.

07:02:36.460 Yeah, as soon as we get done with this, you know.

07:02:41.880 Thank you, though.

07:02:42.640 David Treasure.

07:02:43.200 David Terzachiac donated $20.

07:02:45.380 Keep going, these guys are insane.

07:02:46.160 That other guy claiming to be me isn't.

07:02:47.740 This is the game.

07:02:48.060 We can't leave.

07:02:48.620 We can't wrap.

07:02:48.900 Audrey is a dumb $304.

07:02:51.680 Hey!

07:02:52.120 The tables have turned.

07:02:55.280 David.

07:02:55.640 David's not a fan anymore.

07:02:57.400 He was his whole time.

07:02:58.360 Emphetus donated $20.

07:03:00.540 Red shirt, will you treat your child with mumbo jumbo ring around the rosy gibberish nonsense?

07:03:06.800 If you do, they will cut life short and I will see them float to hell where my mommy Daisy will be too.

07:03:14.620 Free Texanate donated $20.

07:03:16.800 I feel like the gorgeous yellow shirt girl, love the braces, so freaking cute, and cute blue shirt girl are probably the freakiest of the entire panel.

07:03:27.620 What say you?

07:03:28.980 Come on down to Texas, playful face.

07:03:32.540 I love the boyfriend.

07:03:34.220 Jeremy donated $20.

07:03:36.180 Yeah, yeah.

07:03:36.700 Somebody farted.

07:03:37.560 Somebody did.

07:03:39.300 It was...

07:03:40.560 It was, uh...

07:03:43.800 It was strong.

07:03:45.860 It was probably...

07:03:48.140 Ivan Drago underscore donated $50.

07:03:50.540 Hey, Maddie, what the fuck?

07:03:51.620 Everyone but Maddie and blue shirt and the chick right next to your left, Brian, are so pathetic and retarded, possibly worthless, they make Daisy seem almost normal.

07:04:00.820 Brian show, the dumper chat needs a fix.

07:04:03.380 Yo, shout out to...

07:04:04.320 Uh, we should...

07:04:05.240 Andrew, should we get Daisy back on, you think, or...?

07:04:07.980 He's never coming back.

07:04:09.400 The underscore crucible donated $21.65.

07:04:13.220 Come on, Brian, have a show outside with Andrew, live and able to smoke.

07:04:18.520 We'll do it.

07:04:18.900 Make chimneys great again.

07:04:20.940 Hashtag debate King Gambrue.

07:04:22.480 I got you, bro, we got it.

07:04:25.340 Meow, meow, meow, are donated $20.

07:04:28.380 Andrew's wrong condemning Daisy for aborting her mongrel baby.

07:04:31.820 As America succumbs deeper into Negro glorification, this technology will be the cornerstone of any semblance of normalcy.

07:04:42.040 Real Trump donated $20.

07:04:44.540 Andrew, can you please Frank Castle that red sweater girl?

07:04:48.620 Get the fuck out.

07:04:50.060 She's mad disrespectful, rolling her eyes and shite.

07:04:53.800 I bet she scored an A, B, and C on her hepatitis test.

07:04:57.260 Mattie, can you read it?

07:05:02.660 Great show.

07:05:03.220 Another one where we ask girls for their experience and impose our worldviews upon them with straw mans and faulty analogies.

07:05:09.500 Holy blank.

07:05:10.260 I'm lonely.

07:05:10.880 Can I have my $20 back?

07:05:14.260 Okay.

07:05:14.780 Thank you, Swaggerino.

07:05:15.660 Appreciate it, brother.

07:05:17.600 Appreciate it.

07:05:18.440 Oh.

07:05:19.720 Is that the end?

07:05:20.720 Okay.

07:05:21.040 I need to do...

07:05:21.840 I'm going to do a raid, those of you, on Twitch.

07:05:24.540 Guys, follow us on Twitch, twitch.tv slash whatever.

07:05:27.260 Nick, if you pull that up super quick.

07:05:30.600 Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.

07:05:32.120 Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub if you have one.

07:05:34.640 And then I will be doing a raid over there on Twitch.

07:05:37.080 Let me see, those of you who are watching on Twitch, I'll try to get through this.

07:05:40.980 Lado donated $20.

07:05:43.020 Acoustic?

07:05:43.400 Is the girl in red acoustic?

07:05:44.980 Are you acoustic?

07:05:46.640 No.

07:05:48.040 Oh, okay.

07:05:48.480 Does he mean autistic?

07:05:50.520 It sounds like he was trying to be derogatory.

07:05:52.180 Do you want to answer that?

07:05:54.900 That was it?

07:05:55.500 Do you want to answer that?

07:05:56.120 Ivan Drago undiscoordinated $20.

07:05:58.840 Hey.

07:05:59.500 Red Sweater Girl is the most pathetic one on the channel.

07:06:02.680 Don't you dare.

07:06:03.660 Don't you...

07:06:06.180 I thought it was good.

07:06:08.620 She did a great job.

07:06:09.700 She did good.

07:06:10.460 She did really good.

07:06:11.320 There would have been nobody to argue with.

07:06:12.940 It was good.

07:06:13.520 Well, maybe I would have argued with you.

07:06:15.440 And her.

07:06:16.600 And also her.

07:06:17.820 But you did the best at arguing.

07:06:19.460 Oh, yeah.

07:06:19.820 You did great.

07:06:21.220 Okay.

07:06:22.020 So, Gigi, well played to the panel.

07:06:24.380 I'll wait until Yayel is back.

07:06:27.660 And we'll try to wrap up here pretty soon.

07:06:29.680 Once she's returned to the...

07:06:33.440 X-Men donated $20.

07:06:35.440 She's like, oh, we can answer.

07:06:36.300 Audrey's RBF is pretty hot.

07:06:38.360 I don't mind listening to her complain at all.

07:06:41.620 Thanks for keeping me up till the X-Men 97 finale.

07:06:48.740 The fart donated $20.

07:06:51.300 All farts matter.

07:06:52.720 Can I pay $20 every time they comment something?

07:06:54.640 Yep.

07:06:55.400 They all matter.

07:06:56.160 That's crazy.

07:06:56.900 Patriarchy ones again.

07:06:58.320 So true.

07:06:59.020 So true.

07:07:00.780 So true.

07:07:01.480 Okay.

07:07:02.280 Gigi, well played to the panel.

07:07:04.500 One girl in the blue dress, she had to leave.

07:07:07.520 These two girls, sort of a rage quit.

07:07:09.680 Ivan Drago, under-coordinated $20.

07:07:13.000 Send red shirt to fight the Taliban.

07:07:15.120 I think it would be good for her.

07:07:16.640 I'm really not loving the harassment.

07:07:18.020 Do they, like, some of these people have a death wish for me.

07:07:20.520 Like, I...

07:07:22.220 No.

07:07:22.800 What do you want?

07:07:24.380 Someone said that they wanted to send me to Gaza.

07:07:26.580 I didn't like that.

07:07:29.620 Okay.

07:07:30.280 They're mean.

07:07:31.960 Yeah, I just, like...

07:07:32.800 I don't want to send you to Gaza.

07:07:33.900 I don't want to send you to Gaza.

07:07:35.220 I don't think anyone wants to send me to Gaza, except for some random guy.

07:07:38.200 Or he didn't rage quit, so mad respect for her.

07:07:40.380 She's pretty hot.

07:07:41.880 Maddie talk more.

07:07:44.100 Maddie.

07:07:44.580 I'll just sit down.

07:07:46.520 I'll just sit down.

07:07:46.900 There you go.

07:07:47.780 Do you have any...

07:07:48.540 Do you have a response to...

07:07:51.680 He just paid you a compliment.

07:07:54.100 Oh.

07:07:55.200 Thank you.

07:07:57.120 That was nice.

07:07:58.260 Okay.

07:07:58.920 So, guys, GG, well played to the panel.

07:08:01.160 Last call.

07:08:01.640 Hit the like button, please, on your way out.

07:08:03.180 We're going to do a Twitch raid.

07:08:04.220 Then we're going to raid Andrew.

07:08:05.180 So, you guys, he's probably going to do...

07:08:06.600 Andrew, you're going to stream for a little longer?

07:08:08.820 Okay.

07:08:09.180 We'll do a redirect on YouTube, whatever the fuck it's called.

07:08:12.840 So, thank you for tuning in tonight.

07:08:14.800 You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.

07:08:16.520 I appreciate that.

07:08:18.160 Thank you to everyone who supports the show.

07:08:20.700 Anonymous donated $21.21.

07:08:23.860 My helicopter goes soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy, soy.

07:08:32.180 Is that really what helicopters sound like?

07:08:34.120 I'm not sure, but thank you.

07:08:35.840 Leviathan donated $20.

07:08:38.200 Happy Mother's Day, murderer.

07:08:40.480 How are these people calling me and other people dumb when they're like wasting their money doing this?

07:08:45.960 I don't understand.

07:08:46.500 And then they have a type of...

07:08:47.420 Okay, actually, I didn't mean to antagonize.

07:08:48.840 Sorry.

07:08:49.940 No, I'm just...

07:08:51.060 If you invoke their wrath, they will respond in turn.

07:08:55.660 Doesn't it make the podcast more money, though?

07:08:58.260 Yeah, but don't y'all want to get out of here?

07:09:00.540 No, I do.

07:09:01.160 That's what I'm saying.

07:09:02.240 That's what I'm saying.

07:09:02.880 I don't want...

07:09:03.460 Shit, I'll sit here all night.

07:09:04.820 It's fine.

07:09:05.980 Shit.

07:09:06.600 Talk some more shit.

07:09:07.640 Talk some more shit.

07:09:08.380 No, no, no.

07:09:08.400 It's chill.

07:09:08.700 It's chill.

07:09:08.900 Let's go.

07:09:09.320 All right.

07:09:09.660 It's chill.

07:09:11.640 All right.

07:09:12.160 So, thank you to everyone who's Zoom Chats, Donate, supports the show.

07:09:15.480 Appreciate everybody who tuned in tonight.

07:09:17.300 Really appreciate your page.

07:09:19.120 Thank you, guys.

07:09:20.080 Ivan Drago, underscore, donated $20.

07:09:23.260 You've been hoked.

07:09:23.540 I've got money to spare you, dumb broad.

07:09:25.780 Hey, that's not very nice, Ivan.

07:09:28.460 Be nice.

07:09:29.020 Okay.

07:09:29.780 This was the roast section of the podcast.

07:09:33.420 Everyone was good sports.

07:09:34.800 I appreciate that.

07:09:35.360 XDWHX donated $20.

07:09:38.000 Hey, whoa.

07:09:38.480 Spell check sucks.

07:09:39.180 Hashtag, there you go.

07:09:40.020 Yes.

07:09:40.240 She farted with her Arby's roast beef sandwich.

07:09:43.100 Red shirt is a 304.

07:09:45.440 Please don't shame women for their Audi labias.

07:09:47.740 Audrey won't bang you, bro.

07:09:49.680 What?

07:09:50.060 W, Andrew, Brian, and Gustavo.

07:09:53.480 Hashtag Trump 2024.

07:09:55.240 Wait, David?

07:09:55.700 Fuck Biden and feminist.

07:09:58.720 Damn, bro.

07:09:59.580 Big Sass Energy donated $20.

07:10:01.920 You think that's real?

07:10:02.540 $20 is cheap when you're a multimillionaire engaging in lols.

07:10:07.420 Yo, Big Sass Energy.

07:10:08.660 Just want to let you guys know, he owns like multiple, um, uh, he owns multiple Arby's

07:10:14.800 restaurants, uh, throughout the Pacific Northwest.

07:10:18.440 Yes, he is a Arby's millionaire, Big Sass Energy.

07:10:22.220 No, you're lying.

07:10:22.720 You're lying.

07:10:23.020 No, I'm dead fucking serious.

07:10:24.380 He's my homie.

07:10:25.080 No, stop, stop trolling.

07:10:27.360 I think they all did fine.

07:10:28.340 He's an entrepreneur.

07:10:29.180 He's not an entrepreneur.

07:10:29.460 Check out DH3D Studio for 3D printer filament.

07:10:33.160 He just said something about...

07:10:33.900 Shameless.

07:10:34.160 Smile, hashtag shameless plug.

07:10:35.940 Shameless plug, my dude.

07:10:37.160 Okay, check it out.

07:10:37.960 Check them out.

07:10:38.840 Here, I'll even give you a click.

07:10:39.940 Check out...

07:10:40.920 Three...

07:10:41.820 Yeah, there's a click.

07:10:42.460 Hey, David's a big fan.

07:10:57.420 He'd like to see you back on the show.

07:10:58.820 Would you come back on the show if we talked about dating?

07:11:02.300 Oh, my God.

07:11:12.460 Dangerous fares.

07:11:14.920 What?

07:11:15.500 What?

07:11:17.000 On the edge donated $20.

07:11:19.720 Red sweatshirt girl is on the edge of going ballistic.

07:11:22.600 If someone says one more mean comment, and I am here for IT.

07:11:26.820 For IT.

07:11:29.700 Information technology.

07:11:31.880 Big Sass Energy donated $20.

07:11:34.540 Hey, please don't shake.

07:11:35.780 As an Arby's owner, I know roast beef.

07:11:38.220 I hope the owner of Arby's knows I don't have a roast beef vagina, but...

07:11:42.200 I'm no longer interested.

07:11:43.740 Yeah, it's not...

07:11:44.960 I don't say...

07:11:45.400 That doesn't need to be public information.

07:11:46.780 I only date women with large ladies.

07:11:47.380 Ivan Drago underscoordinated $20.

07:11:50.400 What could I...

07:11:50.700 Like how you respect a broad with the IQ of a raisin.

07:11:55.220 Hey, come on.

07:11:56.540 It was actually 133.

07:11:57.580 Ivan Drago.

07:11:57.960 But that's different.

07:11:59.060 What is it?

07:12:01.000 133?

07:12:03.140 Like you took an IQ test.

07:12:05.080 Like I've taken a lot.

07:12:06.120 Like I've taken IQ tests before, and it wasn't raisin.

07:12:09.760 No, what was it?

07:12:10.740 You said 133?

07:12:12.680 Yeah.

07:12:13.060 What?

07:12:14.120 I'm not trying to comment at you.

07:12:15.040 I'm just...

07:12:15.200 No, no, no, no.

07:12:15.560 I didn't hear you.

07:12:16.320 That was it.

07:12:17.100 It's fine.

07:12:17.680 Okay, okay.

07:12:18.320 Thank you for the...

07:12:19.600 Thank you, thank you.

07:12:21.040 Okay, so thank you to everyone who soup chats.

07:12:23.040 Like I said, we will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.

07:12:25.920 Guys, we got...

07:12:27.120 I'm just going to announce it now.

07:12:28.500 We have Andrew's wife, Rachel Wilson, coming in the end of May.

07:12:34.280 She'll be here for two shows.

07:12:35.340 Those are going to be very good.

07:12:36.260 Perhaps we'll try to squeeze in a debate if possible.

07:12:38.640 We do, I believe, have Andrew joining us again next week.

07:12:41.860 We will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.

07:12:44.060 Dark Code 9 donated $20.

07:12:45.720 Brian, in heaven, I was falling asleep on these clueless bimbos.

07:12:50.120 Just reminds me of my killer mom saying she loves me but then killed me.

07:12:54.280 Red Shirt and Carly Girl are the same.

07:12:57.360 Please seek a psychiatrist.

07:13:02.980 Are you in therapy right now?

07:13:05.100 Dark Code 9 donated $20.

07:13:08.080 Red is the same tan as an impact lumpa.

07:13:10.700 It's actually hula bronzer.

07:13:18.660 Okay.

07:13:19.700 So, any girls who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.

07:13:22.620 If you can make it to Santa Barbara.

07:13:25.520 I'm going to do a quick Twitch raid.

07:13:27.640 Nick, we're just...

07:13:28.540 I don't know if we have time to do a quick react.

07:13:30.680 We'll do a little feel good.

07:13:32.080 We'll gram it really quick.

07:13:33.320 Pull her up.

07:13:33.880 We'll just get a little reaction there.

07:13:36.100 I'm going to start the raid.

07:13:36.780 There's always a list of 11 mounts that already exist.

07:13:39.460 We're going to raid.

07:13:40.360 She's 82, guys.

07:13:42.060 You better be fucking nice.

07:13:43.440 You can roast us, but don't roast her.

07:13:45.180 Be nice to her, okay?

07:13:47.560 She's 82.

07:13:48.380 She's playing World of Warcraft retail.

07:13:50.400 We're going to do a raid.

07:13:51.340 Thank you, those of you who watch on Twitch.

07:13:52.920 I'm going to send you over now.

07:13:54.080 07's in the chat.

07:13:55.340 Thank you guys for tuning in.

07:13:56.300 Appreciate it.

07:13:57.060 Raid sent now.

07:13:59.500 Boom.

07:13:59.700 So I don't need those.

07:14:03.580 Raids, that should be coming through in just a sec here.

07:14:05.880 Hello, we have a list of 30 mounts you can purchase through the event.

07:14:10.180 You can check their appearance on our new post.

07:14:17.720 Got a little wholesome moment here.

07:14:20.000 At the end of the show, we're doing a little raid.

07:14:22.520 Did I send it?

07:14:23.180 I think I sent it.

07:14:23.880 Oh, there it is.

07:14:25.720 There it is.

07:14:28.200 There it is.

07:14:29.020 I like her setup.

07:14:30.240 She's shocked.

07:14:31.560 She's so cute.

07:14:32.440 She's...

07:14:32.800 She has no words.

07:14:36.000 She's speechless.

07:14:37.240 Speechless.

07:14:37.880 What if she was like, stop fucking raiding me?

07:14:40.540 We'll be stuck in the remix.

07:14:43.120 Okay, we have...

07:14:47.120 My own dire horn.

07:14:51.240 Did she not see it?

07:14:53.880 All right, she's looking at mounts.

07:14:57.440 Okay.

07:14:59.560 I'm giving her 10 seconds here.

07:15:01.760 Notice me, senpai.

07:15:02.860 And I don't have this one because I'm not spending 50,000 gold on that.

07:15:08.160 That's fair.

07:15:09.180 Fair.

07:15:09.620 You don't want to spend 50,000 gold on the mounts, son.

07:15:13.300 That's a lot of gold for a mount.

07:15:14.620 So they have the primal?

07:15:15.180 Okay, she's not.

07:15:15.980 Okay, anyways.

07:15:16.680 All right.

07:15:17.780 She had her chance.

07:15:18.620 Wait.

07:15:20.260 Oh.

07:15:21.060 Astral Cloud Serpent.

07:15:22.560 Okay, all right.

07:15:24.280 These are the ones that are on retail.

07:15:27.620 Damn.

07:15:28.740 Damn.

07:15:29.220 Just...

07:15:29.460 So I don't have that.

07:15:30.160 What's that word for...

07:15:31.680 What's that word for...

07:15:32.080 Well, I don't have that one because it doesn't want to drop for me.

07:15:36.360 Snubbed.

07:15:37.840 Snubbed.

07:15:38.420 What the...

07:15:38.840 Andrew, what are you doing?

07:15:40.180 That one's going to cost 187,000...

07:15:41.580 Snubbed.

07:15:42.120 You can pause it.

07:15:42.920 You can pause it.

07:15:43.460 Snubbed.

07:15:44.020 Okay.

07:15:44.880 Those of you who stick around on YouTube because we're going to send you over to Andrew's channel.

07:15:48.640 We're going to send you to Andrew's channel.

07:15:50.500 Let me just double check.

07:15:51.460 Oh, final thing.

07:15:52.140 What's everybody's body count?

07:15:55.000 Starting with you.

07:15:56.580 Oh.

07:15:57.340 Two.

07:15:59.160 What kind of question is that?

07:16:00.520 Dating.

07:16:00.880 Dating related question.

07:16:02.900 I didn't date the people I slept with and I haven't slept with that many people.

07:16:06.460 Wasn't...

07:16:07.460 I'm not disclosing that on a live stream.

07:16:09.260 Oh, that's fine.

07:16:09.760 You don't have to.

07:16:10.360 It is dating related though.

07:16:14.060 Okay.

07:16:14.800 Madison's just giving me the stink eye there.

07:16:17.140 Gustavo, how many?

07:16:18.380 Zero.

07:16:18.780 You fucking strumpet.

07:16:20.020 You fucking strumpet.

07:16:20.920 Don't fucking lie to me.

07:16:21.940 Tell me the truth.

07:16:23.020 You fucking liar.

07:16:24.780 Are you a virgin?

07:16:25.740 Yeah.

07:16:27.120 All right.

07:16:27.740 You can say it like that.

07:16:29.420 I'm just having a little banter here.

07:16:31.560 Okay.

07:16:31.720 What about you?

07:16:32.820 Also zero.

07:16:36.860 What?

07:16:39.600 Wait.

07:16:40.840 Zero?

07:16:41.560 Yeah.

07:16:41.880 Is that body count?

07:16:43.720 Yeah.

07:16:44.660 That's not what you said last time.

07:16:47.780 You telling the truth?

07:16:49.620 Yeah.

07:16:50.600 Yeah.

07:16:51.660 You being honest?

07:16:53.140 Why not?

07:16:56.300 That's not what you said on the last show.

07:16:57.900 Why would we say this when they're just going to call us a strumpet?

07:17:00.040 And why would you remember my body count?

07:17:01.980 I don't.

07:17:02.900 Exactly.

07:17:03.760 But I don't think it was zero.

07:17:05.980 Why do you care what it is?

07:17:07.620 I don't.

07:17:08.060 It's not dating related.

07:17:09.060 What's yours?

07:17:10.280 I don't answer that question.

07:17:11.680 Oh, neither do I.

07:17:13.280 Why are you asking us?

07:17:14.680 Can we guess?

07:17:15.640 Like two and a half?

07:17:17.860 Sure.

07:17:18.440 You can guess.

07:17:19.360 Like two and a half?

07:17:20.900 Can I ask if it's over, if it's three digits?

07:17:23.700 I'm not going to answer.

07:17:24.400 I'm not answering any questions.

07:17:28.040 I'm not answering any questions.

07:17:29.760 What about you?

07:17:30.320 I tried.

07:17:32.360 Single digit.

07:17:33.660 Okay.

07:17:33.960 That's all I'm really going to say.

07:17:34.740 Yeah.

07:17:35.100 Single digit.

07:17:36.160 All right.

07:17:36.680 There you have it, folks.

07:17:37.480 Dating related question.

07:17:39.840 At the end of the podcast, she doesn't think it's dating related, but it is what it is.

07:17:47.660 Really?

07:17:48.180 Zero, son?

07:17:49.200 Oh, my God.

07:17:49.880 Really?

07:17:50.200 That's what we're ending it off on.

07:17:52.820 Okay.

07:17:53.940 It just seems a little.

07:17:56.400 Yael, you think it's zero?

07:17:59.140 I don't think it's my business, nor do I care.

07:18:02.320 Nick, mute the audio.

07:18:05.560 Don't fucking mute it.

07:18:06.820 What do you think it is?

07:18:08.440 No, I literally could not give less of a shit.

07:18:11.820 Okay, the audio is muted.

07:18:12.840 Just tell us.

07:18:13.480 I literally don't.

07:18:14.640 Why would anyone care?

07:18:16.520 Just for curiosity, the audio is muted.

07:18:19.600 Just tell us.

07:18:19.940 Oh, for shits and gigs then?

07:18:21.440 Yeah.

07:18:21.780 Oh, okay.

07:18:22.260 What?

07:18:23.600 I was just kidding.

07:18:24.180 The audio was muted.

07:18:24.880 So, next.

07:18:32.380 All right.

07:18:33.100 Okay.

07:18:33.660 Oh, my God, bro.

07:18:35.540 Wait.

07:18:38.420 Okay, we're good.

07:18:39.180 All right, guys.

07:18:39.760 We're wrapping up the show.

07:18:41.060 Guys, I'm sending you over to Andrew's channel.

07:18:44.600 Thank you guys for tuning in.

07:18:45.580 Really appreciate it.

07:18:47.960 Was there anything?

07:18:48.740 I feel like we're forgetting one thing.

07:18:50.180 Nope.

07:18:50.660 Okay.

07:18:51.000 All right.

07:18:51.320 They're all pissed at me.

07:18:52.220 All right.

07:18:53.080 07's in the chat.

07:18:53.980 Good night, guys.

07:18:55.280 Thank you for tuning in.

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