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00:03:18.060 and without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your

00:03:22.640 name age location and occupation go ahead hi i'm alien i'm 25 and i'm also from arizona uh i work at amazon

00:03:31.280 um i work underneath my mom for omg sweet shop and then i also have a podcast with my best friend

00:03:39.120 uh for music uh for music what's your government name do i have to say it uh do you do you go by

00:03:49.220 like a nickname that's not alien or i can give you a hint i'm like is that is it just not out there

00:03:55.700 your like actual name or even like i feel like if i tell you my name is just sabotaging me and you're

00:04:05.720 also not gonna think it's real so is it gertrude gertrude i'm just gonna call you gertrude the rest

00:04:13.700 of the show then okay what about you uh my name is jayden i am from arizona i'm 24 years old and i'm a

00:04:21.780 singer songwriter as well as a photographer i like to build the things and i am also a bartender server

00:04:29.360 all right welcome what about you my name is tara i'm 23 years old i am from canada and i'm a

00:04:36.240 freelancer what part of canada ontario ontario is that the french-speaking part no that's quebec okay

00:04:43.960 we're kind of freelancing um i'm on upwork i just like help amazon oh okay we might need

00:04:50.200 poster checks from you when you're speaking to the mic go ahead my name is lindsey graham i'm from

00:04:55.240 arizona i'm 43 years old i am a wife a mom of three a keynote speaker an author and i own a

00:05:03.360 fashion brand called pretty little patriot with this hot little thing over here in pink all right

00:05:09.440 welcome my name is madeline i'm 21 i also live in arizona currently i'm a server but um i also do

00:05:18.980 photography and yeah some freelance stuff but yeah my name is kendall i'm from kentucky i'm 37

00:05:27.340 i am a wife a mom of three a political activist and i own pretty little patriot with lindsey

00:05:34.320 all right welcome thank you my name is ivry amora i am 24 years old i am a social media manager and

00:05:42.920 yeah that's it where you're from oh that's what that's that's what i forgot chandler arizona

00:05:50.560 i knew it i knew it i know i knew it everyone's from arizona yeah i know wait

00:05:57.960 wait wait wait i'm kentucky well no she's from canada and i'm canada but everyone besides you is

00:06:05.380 from arizona no i'm kentucky don't forget kentucky you're kentucky but so everyone else besides

00:06:11.720 i'm in kentucky i've never been in arizona okay interesting we discovered this outside that we're

00:06:15.180 all they drove guys we're coming to you live from flagstaff arizona whatever's on the road

00:06:20.700 yeah we're on the road my uh we could have all carpooled my name is andrew wilson i'm the host of

00:06:26.360 the crucible it's the fastest growing debate channel on youtube to my knowledge i'm a blood

00:06:31.060 sport debater political commentator and i do um also a lot of political satire uh and i'm from

00:06:38.580 michigan all right welcome everybody so we're gonna go around the table once more what is

00:06:44.700 everybody's current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship friends

00:06:50.180 with benefits relationship married polycule sex cult whatever it may be if you're single how long

00:06:56.580 have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever had good so technically

00:07:01.140 i'm single but i'm also dating a tree yeah a tree a tree what can you boost the audio tree what does

00:07:09.020 that mean a tree um there's just a big tree is this consensual yeah and we're talking to the tree

00:07:16.260 consents this is actually saying the what type what's trees government name i don't know what type

00:07:21.600 there's an there's a philia for that isn't there what is the what is it called there's a filling i'm

00:07:27.040 waiting for him to tell me his name no no there's an actual i don't remember what it is i feel like

00:07:30.840 there's a but there's a philia for tree what kind of like physical hey guys one one mic at a time

00:07:37.620 please okay what kind of tree i don't know i have no idea what he is you have to learn more about him

00:07:43.920 and then you're in a relationship with the side i give him like little kisses and then you you said

00:07:48.700 it was a he how do you know the gender of the tree i believe most trees are at least well i guess

00:07:54.160 actually yeah there are male and female trees actually fruit trees are female trees they're

00:07:58.180 depollinators and male trees are pollinators are you certain that it's like what if it identifies

00:08:03.440 as a they though that's a great that's a valid question you know i don't know i don't know

00:08:08.540 and do you have like a physical relationship with the tree like i give him kisses like i kiss my hand

00:08:14.860 and then i press it on him are you being serious right now i am so dead ass i believe you like a guy

00:08:20.540 to go like see this tree with me another you took another guy to see your tree how did the tree feel

00:08:25.220 about that yeah i think that's inappropriate i didn't introduce him as like i'm hanging out with

00:08:30.560 this guy i think the tree is jealous i think the tree is jealous we're gonna get into this this is

00:08:34.400 juicy um how did you get into that me i just like nature so to me it's just like i saw him down the

00:08:43.000 tree i was like damn he looks really pretty how soon is it how early can we walk out of this podcast

00:08:50.900 yeah i'm so i'm just being dead ass with you guys by the way what is that and what is serious

00:08:59.340 what is like the future of you in this like what do you hope to accomplish with that i'm probably

00:09:05.440 gonna have to break up with him soon because i'm gonna be moving so hey uproot a new tree

00:09:10.400 plenty of fish in the sea plenty of trees in the forest trees and forest yeah plenty of fish in the

00:09:18.220 sea plenty of trees in the forest i mean i'm not looking for specifically trees but i saw him and

00:09:24.020 i thought like i said he was pretty so i was like that's my babe and it's a feeling and i felt like he

00:09:30.180 connected with me as well that's interesting i do feel like i look around see a lot of pretty trees

00:09:35.200 and i agree like super pretty but i would never are you happy i am yeah can we just matter bro you

00:09:42.420 guys are enabling this fucking i'm not true i wouldn't do it but i honestly the most retarded

00:09:48.720 sorry bro stop asking your dumb ass fucking questions oh let me actually engage with you

00:09:55.980 in good faith bro the whole tree shit's fucking bullshit well you're all about good faith

00:10:00.940 what she's bad faith i think i think gertrude knows that we know that okay hold on hold on

00:10:08.000 okay have you had carnal knowledge with the tree what are you you just said stop asking

00:10:13.540 can you like explain that but like did you fuck the tree did you fuck no not yet but maybe one day

00:10:22.380 how would that work you're gonna get a fucking sti or some shit carve a hole i haven't gone that far

00:10:27.640 as long as you're happy i feel like no absolutely not no this is right i gotta say like this is i

00:10:34.940 can't sit here this is not right like i truly don't think that she wants to marry a tree i'm pretty

00:10:40.160 sure what makes you think the trees can't consent there's a lot well one trees there's a science

00:10:45.280 behind plants that they do they can see and feel when there's a person around them you're a fucking

00:10:49.980 predator i believe that she is just saying that she likes the tree and she speaks with the tree

00:10:54.560 i don't she don't think she feels no no no i like a tree she's saying she's in a relationship with

00:11:00.300 this tree yeah and then she said did he specify romantic relationship a relationship with a tree

00:11:06.280 regardless of romantic or not yo guys one mic at a time we they can't hear the crosstalk go ahead

00:11:13.160 the question was what is your relationship status and the response was i'm dating a tree

00:11:21.080 she said i'm technically single but i also have a tree nearby down the street from my house is it

00:11:25.980 dissidious or coniferous i don't know amateur i would like to move on to some real relationships

00:11:34.100 okay so you're a single then sure what's your okay what's your dating status with homo homo sapiens

00:11:42.480 homo sapiens yeah it's uh it's single yeah okay how long have you been single uh all of my life so

00:11:49.780 25 years so you're a virgin no okay so you've had some sexual relationships but it's not dating

00:12:00.540 what's the longest consecutive period of time that you've dated somebody

00:12:03.900 it's gonna be like pulling teeth tonight dude holy fuck this commenter though he says

00:12:10.780 the trees he says the frogs are gay and the women are humping the trees

00:12:14.860 i just couldn't did you pull it up it was you could pull it up since andrew's it stopped

00:12:22.240 all right um andrew did you see the treesome uh she brought a guy to the tree so it's a tree

00:12:30.580 that was pretty clever that's the dumbest shit i've ever heard in my life you can dating a tree

00:12:36.340 oh i'm dirty this microphone what else have you dated i mean your mouth's pretty close

00:12:41.040 um nothing really i have like children i have like little like a bunch of like teddy bears okay

00:12:48.380 hold on hold on hold on wait hold on stop human children how long have you consecutively dated

00:12:54.960 a human um it wasn't really like dating it was like a situation okay how long were you having

00:13:02.760 sexual intercourse with a person oh i don't know like six months six months okay so that's the longest

00:13:07.680 uh i mean romantic situation you've had with somebody okay and you said you've been so you

00:13:14.840 when's the last time you've had anything with somebody do i do i are you currently having sex

00:13:21.100 with somebody uh i plead the fifth we don't have to tell him who it is you just you plead i just

00:13:28.260 yeah because like so you're currently romantically involved with somebody then maybe perhaps bro i'm

00:13:33.820 so close to fucking kicking you off the show engage in fucking good faith please you're not

00:13:39.240 going to plead the fifth to a basic question about your romantic dating life on a dating podcast you

00:13:45.280 requested to be on the show kindly answer the question yeah but like do i have to talk about

00:13:49.660 you don't need to tell us the details bro like it doesn't have to be like are you currently like

00:13:53.660 dating a guy that's the extent of my fucking question with a couple people okay you're currently

00:13:58.540 dating multiple people maybe okay so so these aren't these aren't gotchas i don't see them as

00:14:09.040 that because to me i just i see so it's a world it's a worldview thing yeah okay are you having

00:14:14.580 intimate relationships with human beings that could be considered sexual by normal people yeah okay

00:14:19.980 andrew thank you so much you're cheating thank you yeah mansplaining mansplaining

00:14:25.520 thank you what about you i am in a relationship and i've been in a relationship for almost three

00:14:34.540 years and it is my longest relationship by a month how did you guys meet we met i was on tinder

00:14:44.560 looking for friends because i had a bad friend and then i met my new life partner so yeah looking for

00:14:49.100 friends yeah you never done that there's a bumble friends page i assume everybody looking for

00:14:55.020 friends on tinder is cheating just i think i go interesting not everyone so you guys met on tinder

00:15:01.820 yeah what about you i'm single um my longest relationship was two years and the last sorry

00:15:08.040 i'm single the longest relationship i had was two years and the last time i did anything was october

00:15:13.420 like the situationship whatever so you've been single for about six seven months yeah

00:15:18.760 okay when you said the last time you did something does that mean relationship what does that mean i'm

00:15:23.720 i'm like i'm so old much older than everybody here okay so you've been sell or have you been celibate for

00:15:30.960 six to seven months yeah celibate means no sex right yeah no carnal knowledge yeah okay i've been

00:15:38.620 happily married for 12 years so simple guys that's it sorry boring married 12 i assume that's your

00:15:45.560 longest relationship it is yes okay married 12 years is that your first marriage it is not my first

00:15:50.560 marriage no second marriage second and last hopefully and last okay till death do us part i mean 12 years

00:15:58.900 is pretty strong that's pretty good on a roll and i'm in a relationship i've been in it for three

00:16:03.980 years and it's my longest relationship are you two dating yes yes okay i would just want to clarify

00:16:11.500 yeah i feel like that's a point are you guys bisexual or lesbian or um honestly uh she's the

00:16:22.640 first woman i've dated and she's just my life partner we're not really like sexually intimate like

00:16:27.780 that we just wait hold up complementing characteristics to your roommates no we share

00:16:33.360 a bed and we cuddle and we kiss but we don't involve we don't do we're christian but we don't have sex

00:16:40.140 i'm so intrigued i'm very interesting this is gonna be the best podcast ever so a couple clarifying

00:16:46.120 questions a couple clarifying questions here so uh have you ever dated men yes have you dated men yes

00:16:53.820 um so you guys consider yourselves bisexual then in a sense by romantic but currently i

00:17:01.540 you're not i'm not neither of you are sexual yes but you guys have said that you've been dating for

00:17:06.360 three years three years have you been monogamous monogamous dating each other for three years

00:17:11.940 there's been no other women or no other men in that three-year time period correct that's what that

00:17:16.760 means and you guys cohabitate you live together yes okay have you guys ever had in the same room in

00:17:21.140 the same bed you guys never had have you guys ever had sex we have and we honestly anytime i've ever

00:17:27.340 had sex in my life it doesn't feel that great to me because that's when i'm not married and i'm a

00:17:33.140 christian and that's not how i be rolling okay um and then so you guys are are you guys gonna get

00:17:43.200 married hopefully we would like to but in heresy church land or yeah i actually know lots of pastors

00:17:52.780 sorry they're not orthodox so they don't follow your exact beliefs but if god came to us and

00:17:58.300 actually gave me a convicting feeling i would and we knew that god does not want us to be together we've

00:18:07.240 been blessed so much in our relationship we have we came together honestly and yeah i mean as much as

00:18:15.940 each of us had our you know knowledge of god prior we came closer to god and to christ since being

00:18:22.880 together and you know if as much as we love each other if at the end of the day god didn't want us

00:18:29.660 to be together and he brings us a husband and says this is your husband i'm obedient to my lord and

00:18:34.680 savior jesus christ what are your thoughts on the fact that the bible says that marriage is between

00:18:39.360 a man and a woman well hang on we want to get through we'll see if we can get through these

00:18:43.540 the questions oh we're still doing introductions oh yeah sorry but i do have a question for sure

00:18:48.260 yeah we'll we'll come back to that so uh okay so uh what about you um i've been married for 14 years

00:18:55.660 and i was a virgin on our wedding night married 14 years so you got married at 23 yes 23 okay

00:19:04.080 i am single and my longest relationship was five years and i've been single for three years

00:19:14.280 wait your longest relationship was five years you've been single for three years

00:19:18.460 but you're 23 so this was like a 24 for some reason i put down 23 um so this was like kind of a high

00:19:27.520 school relationship the five-year one correct okay and that was a five-year relationship yes okay

00:19:33.600 with uh what's your orientation i'm straight straight okay all right andrew what about you

00:19:40.580 uh yeah uh yeah i've been married for 12 years i think okay uh well then where do we begin

00:19:51.380 where okay well can we let's go back to this let's go back to this previous conversation we were

00:20:00.000 discussing um so how do you reconcile the fact or do you just decide to move off to your own

00:20:09.220 interpretation that this is i'm trying to figure out how to how to frame this for the purpose of tos

00:20:17.020 that christianity is not approving of the type of lifestyle that you have christian is also christianity

00:20:25.460 is also not approving of the type of things you talk about on this podcast um people having this

00:20:31.780 hiccup culture god is this a two quo quo yeah do you want to just answer the question though

00:20:40.080 what was your question again yeah so the the question is how do you reconcile it

00:20:44.420 even if assuming that everybody else is around you is sinning that in and of itself and not just

00:20:50.820 i actually don't excuse that as sinning but right that's my point as we don't have how do you reconcile

00:20:56.580 that well i do believe that we're not in a wrong relationship this is the best relationship that

00:21:06.440 i have ever been in i've been a lot i've been in seven relationships a lot of them were really bad

00:21:12.400 um most of them were with men i actually didn't date any women until i dated her she pulled me out of

00:21:19.640 really dark times and i'm the best version i am because of her you could say we're like nuns together

00:21:26.140 then i think it's really beautiful what you're saying and make out i i do not make out i personally

00:21:31.380 believe and even marriage um i believe apostle paul and corinthians did say that man man says that

00:21:41.100 man and woman and man were you gonna let me finish my words with man or nor woman so i think it's

00:21:47.300 pretty rude that he also he also says no he hates us now because i don't i don't i don't hate you i just

00:21:55.200 we're having a conversation um but you you interrupted it's because which means automatically

00:21:58.880 means you don't respect me so which means she doesn't respect me so anyway back to this good

00:22:04.440 then it's the feeling is mutual go ahead cool you're not a very godly man yeah well i don't know i'm not

00:22:11.460 the one making out with someone in the same sex in a bed we don't make out we don't make out we

00:22:15.480 said you did you said you make out and cuddle in the same bed i said we kiss kiss and we actually

00:22:20.140 haven't even made we haven't kissed once this so you're just fucking roommates like that's it that's

00:22:25.680 what it is there's so much more that goes anyways what i was saying about corinthians thank you very

00:22:31.000 much is actually marriage apostle paul believes everybody should stay single and if you want to

00:22:37.960 get married it's because you can't control yourself and your sexual desires and that is also what he

00:22:42.480 means by submitting to each other because you are the human race is so disgusting and wild that we

00:22:49.420 want to fuck everybody watch so we we need to what not not everybody wants to do that that's that's

00:22:56.720 true but the hookup culture i'm generalizing like they do and um i feel like it makes sense wait

00:23:04.420 why is the human race disgusting what were those your words they definitely when jews and gentiles

00:23:10.700 the gentiles were not that's how the state we're in right now hookup culture yeah but how is this

00:23:17.600 not perpetuating that same that same state of degeneracy anyways marriage was only so is brought

00:23:22.960 because men and women can't control themselves you need to pick one person yeah the opposite sex is what

00:23:28.420 paul said he said you must take a wife you must take a wife if you cannot control yourself to men you

00:23:35.020 must take a wife he specifically forbade man to lay with man a woman with delay with woman in

00:23:40.460 corinthians this is why i don't believe can i can i ask you girls a question um if you let's say you

00:23:48.100 cut the kissing out kendall and i are like we're besties man like we would love to do everything

00:23:53.560 with each other all the time well and what's stopping you guys from just being best friends

00:23:59.020 if you thought that the bible told you what andrew is exactly saying that that is to be man and woman

00:24:06.420 why couldn't you two just say well let's just stop kissing and then we're best friends and we are the

00:24:11.540 best relationship ever but now our relationship is biblical what's to stop that that's kind of where

00:24:17.340 we've been heading to okay and in that case i would not be pursuing anybody else for the rest of my

00:24:22.740 life me as well and i mean and i would not want i wouldn't you guys don't want to be pursued unless

00:24:28.560 i literally knew god said this is your husband why not just become a nun yeah would you consider

00:24:33.640 yourself asexual i prefer not to have sex so maybe yeah why not just be a nun i can be

00:24:40.360 is there something in your past that but i'm not catholic is there something in your past that

00:24:46.060 causes you to dislike sex i know that's personal i'm sorry but no that's okay uh yes i've been

00:24:52.340 sexually assaulted on multiple accounts but it didn't stop me from wanting a man when i was

00:24:57.860 younger as i just got older like graduating from high school i just realized i didn't want those

00:25:04.040 sexual connections and to me since i have been sexually assaulted and that is how i lost my hymen

00:25:12.520 so i know i can't get it back because somebody took it from me so in that case your funny joke remember

00:25:20.320 and it was a funny joke it wasn't it was it wasn't it was really a funny because you're a man and you

00:25:26.160 like to make jokes at the expense of other people's emotions oh okay i'm sorry what makes a joke funny

00:25:31.820 something that makes you laugh you're not funny and it made me laugh so it was funny to you yeah

00:25:39.040 well it made a lot of people laugh thousands upon thousands of people and it made thousands

00:25:42.940 people angry here to tone police us thank you so much i believe you're on this podcast just to

00:25:48.840 insult women and not actually to learn anything about women you talk about how women don't want

00:25:53.900 an average mediocre man or that men have such a hard time getting laid and maybe that's because

00:25:58.440 your focus is on getting laid what yeah instead of dating i literally don't talk about any of that

00:26:03.600 i don't know what you're talking about he does oh yeah how do you know because i watched the podcast

00:26:07.420 just a second ago you were you were attributing that to me so clearly you don't watch the podcast

00:26:11.740 i do watch the podcast then why would you attribute that stuff to me she's referring to a comment you

00:26:16.520 made in one of the episodes which is i it's probably like three episodes what's the comment

00:26:21.740 was it three episodes ago maybe the hymen one i think so right i saw it on tiktok yeah that was

00:26:27.180 that was super funny too yeah okay well so we're talking about born again virgin yeah all right and

00:26:34.680 this particular woman happened which is a real thing jesus cleanses the way you're saying you

00:26:38.180 happened to be a porn yeah jesus wanted you to be a lesbian as a porn so anyway um yes the the

00:26:43.140 hymen comet there's no born again virgin and she was an only fans uh prostitute i watched the thing

00:26:49.560 and you said oh yeah can you get your hymen back that's a lot different than do you know one in three

00:26:53.960 women have been sexually assaulted does that mean that one in three women have been sexually assaulted

00:26:57.460 and that's what removed their hymen a lot of women have lost their hymen that way no i don't think

00:27:02.160 they have actually yes they have no they actually haven't you're lying through your teeth i'm not

00:27:07.020 yeah you are what are the stats then for one in three women have been sexually assaulted

00:27:11.500 go ahead tell me she's hang on hold up i'm not a feminist what's a hymen you are feminist because

00:27:16.820 that's no i'm really not a feminist i'm not particularly inclined what's a hymen hold on

00:27:24.340 his joke i'm not his joke i don't think women should do whatever they want with their bodies i

00:27:29.060 don't think my statement cool hey stop one person at a time but i don't think he should control

00:27:34.140 everything stop his joke hadn't it was had nothing to do with essay yes but it was insensitive to

00:27:41.320 people who have been through essay but you don't understand because you're a man and you've

00:27:44.340 literally never experienced the things that women experience this is a fallacy this is actually a

00:27:48.420 fallacy men can't be essayed it's a fallacy that you're a man and you don't know what women have

00:27:52.380 experienced it's a fallacy to say that i'm not allowed to have an opinion because of my sex that's

00:27:58.360 fallacious it is fallacious argumentation i can't have a position on something

00:28:03.500 because you know what i do have you can have an opinion but it doesn't mean it's facts it seems

00:28:08.420 you put all your opinion as a factual statement like like i said a lot of women lose their hymen

00:28:12.460 through essay that's not a fact from you i'm i'm gonna be a little bit controversial here because

00:28:16.900 i should be on like team woman but i think it's not fair to be offended by a joke about hymen when

00:28:22.240 it wasn't your hymen and it was a joke about he also proceeded to say women aren't funny and can

00:28:27.220 never be funny and that's why and we know this is true because you're here tone policing and being a

00:28:32.160 whine ass about joe i laugh all the time and i find you about what what do you laugh about have

00:28:36.520 men tell me i'm funny all the time i don't i the joke was about a prostitute not a sexual assault

00:28:42.280 victim and i i hope i'm not hearing you like say that she wasn't sexually assaulted right this

00:28:47.540 conversation is all over the fucking place no his joke had nothing to do with essay agree so well so

00:28:53.040 like the your logic that's not the point hold on stop interrupting let me let me let me say one

00:28:57.640 thing let me say one thing your logic here is a bit failing because you're you're reaching you're

00:29:01.880 you're reaching for he made a joke about let's say he made a joke about sex and you you're somehow

00:29:09.120 coming to the conclusion if you make a joke about sex or bodily uh anatomy that that's somehow always

00:29:17.100 going to be related to s women who get essayed no your logic no no no it's the fact that it doesn't

00:29:22.540 lead to one or the other no no it's the fact that you're talking about born again christians and

00:29:27.160 some women did not lose their virginity by having sex for pleasure and in that case no they cannot

00:29:32.000 get their hymen back so that joke wasn't actually actually that makes it funnier yourself so in both

00:29:37.300 cases in both cases the joke works if you're saying god made me a born again virgin okay me asking did

00:29:46.040 god give you back your hymen how in the world would that be offensive to essay victims or prostitutes

00:29:52.240 why would you say that to an essay victim he didn't did it i know she's reaching yeah so my

00:30:00.160 question my question is why would that actually be offensive to one though if you did say it to an

00:30:04.700 essay victim it actually would be offensive why you didn't so it's not yeah but why but but you're

00:30:09.240 not hearing me because an essay asking if god gave it back to you how could that be offensive because

00:30:14.520 they didn't choose to have it taken away i get it but what does that have to do with god giving it

00:30:18.060 back to you i don't even feel like like i don't even understand why these men also don't believe

00:30:23.620 women being in therapy is a red flag you didn't say the joke directly to her so that's not the

00:30:27.240 situation but i didn't say it wasn't even about essay at all i don't even feel like it's worth

00:30:32.380 engaging on their level because your joke wasn't even about essay no she's reaching but it's still

00:30:37.960 but even and she's trying to deflect from the conversation about how does she reconcile

00:30:42.180 your relation if you're consider yourself i'm a nun if you guys consider yourselves christians

00:30:48.760 it's a fair question to ask how do you reconcile that with your faith that's a fair question

00:30:54.640 if you want to like if you want to deflect by like bringing up you this is a really bad faith thing

00:31:02.540 where you just try to like deflect a hundred different things his joke i answered the question

00:31:07.280 no no no she didn't because she immediately went well what about christians who do xyz that's not

00:31:12.540 actually addressing his point i'm not saying that i can have a relationship with a woman because other

00:31:17.660 people are sinners okay great so then how do you reconcile the fact that you're in a same-sex

00:31:24.880 relationship and consider it a you said we're just best friends yeah no i asked you that you said no

00:31:30.780 said we're just roommates and i said yeah we can't be that i said well that's what it sounds like but

00:31:35.560 you said no yes yeah so then i answered to god not to you according to her it's not she doesn't

00:31:41.420 view it as roommates but for your definition of what roommates would be you can apply it to them

00:31:46.460 yeah all right i have a question then you guys are well you it's i'm a little confused because

00:31:51.880 you guys said you were maybe waiting for sex until marriage no we didn't say that you okay maybe i

00:31:58.540 miss her maybe i miss her um but you're not having you you guys have had sex though which is

00:32:05.300 this lady said for you to fix that one little hanging piece of hair that you have

00:32:08.380 i'm anyway yeah back to this i i just asked you a question what did you ask

00:32:16.040 uh did you guys come on to troll no absolutely not yeah you're being like you're being a bit

00:32:21.940 too belligerent for the otherwise good faith question that i'm asking you what's your good

00:32:26.380 faith question the good faith question i literally just still trying to figure out how you make this

00:32:30.520 reconciliation well let me okay so he said he asked something that was what you asked

00:32:34.880 sex until marriage there's something about that and we said no i literally answered your question

00:32:40.940 about the sex till marriage but you guys you if i recall correctly you guys did have sex and we

00:32:46.500 did and we don't feel right about it and we don't have sex don't do it anymore thank you yes

00:32:50.800 but are you guys desirous of getting married

00:32:53.500 honestly i'm not i don't even know but i just want to be we are life partners yes you're romantically

00:33:04.360 involved yeah are you desirous of potentially one day getting married i would want to get married but

00:33:11.360 i mean at the end of the day it depends on what god wants from us and i'm not going to do anything

00:33:16.180 and so do you and so you guys do you want kids we will foster foster kids okay but so you're not

00:33:23.420 desirous of having sex with each other or potentially sex with other partners no no moving down i feel

00:33:31.100 like you waste a lot of time if you focus your energy and mind on sex you can do a lot more with

00:33:37.980 yourself if you just open yourself and when you find people that someone that has a complimenting

00:33:42.800 or like you know in opposite traits of you so that you can come together and create

00:33:47.560 beautiful things beautiful work beautiful business beautiful life so if i hold on if i recall correctly

00:33:53.960 if this is my understanding one of the reasons you guys don't want to have sex is for religious

00:34:01.180 reasons is that correct and i just don't really like sex kind of grosses me out all the stuff is it

00:34:06.900 the same for you or is there is there a religious component to not wanting to have sex i mean the

00:34:13.400 religious component is kind of in the back of our mind it's a yes but at the same time we don't feel

00:34:18.640 right it's a very icky thing to do and you know we feel convicted so yes at the end of the day it is a

00:34:24.100 religious thing and i feel the same way having sex with men if that makes sense okay but we are not

00:34:30.080 here to troll yeah i had i didn't like having sex with men either so do you ever think that it was

00:34:35.040 maybe the person that you were having sex with was just a bad like it was a bad situation no in some

00:34:42.920 cases for me and aggressive and painful i also had some good men here hang on i hear you out because

00:34:48.660 you're saying it's gross and aggressive and painful those are all words i don't like the bodily saliva

00:34:52.860 thing and i'm also i feel like you're supposed to have sex when you want to procreate we just have

00:34:57.480 sex to have sex and that's kind of why i said if you can't control yourself yeah take your husband

00:35:01.820 take your wife you have been in a situation with essay and so i feel like for you you're viewing sex

00:35:08.100 from that viewpoint from i was attacked i was abused sex isn't only for procreation do you think that

00:35:14.700 husbands and wives should only have sex for as many times as they want to have babies why do you

00:35:18.780 not believe in pre-marital sex that's not what i said if sex is not only for marriage

00:35:23.900 i mean sorry if sex is not only for babies we're talking about it through a religious prism though

00:35:28.080 because god so we're talking about this specific between a man and a woman yeah but but no a

00:35:32.280 husband and a wife i'm sorry a husband and a wife why can't you premarital sex in general yeah i i get

00:35:36.940 it i get what you're saying but you have a worldview conflict so we're trying to speak within within a

00:35:42.180 worldview that she claims she has i claim that i have that you do not have so within this worldview

00:35:48.480 she just slightly different because you're she just said yes but the adaptation of the worldview

00:35:54.080 versus secularist would be much harder for them to understand it than for you to understand it so

00:35:57.840 within the confines of this you say sex is for procreation right yes i agree but you would not

00:36:05.440 agree that but in genesis that that's what it was for let me finish the question let me finish the

00:36:09.740 question but you would agree that inside of a marriage having sex external to only having children

00:36:15.900 is not a bad thing if the man and woman desire it then yes but i do believe there's several people

00:36:20.500 even who haven't been um sexually assaulted that don't have a desire to put do that they just don't

00:36:28.340 i think there's something underlying for that i mean but come on that's not very common most of the

00:36:33.960 time married couples and couples what about nuns did they all get sexually assaulted again that's a

00:36:38.520 totally exception exception you can't you can't go from like a few women don't like sex

00:36:44.760 because she just was bringing up sexual assault yeah but i wasn't you're are you are you have you

00:36:49.660 done something she's not just answering what what what i'm just saying why are you so offended by

00:36:53.740 that like honestly because because of the graphic nature of it he has to be very careful about how

00:36:58.720 it's phrased on the channel i said sexual so i didn't ever say that you told me the words i

00:37:02.160 say use sa okay sa okay but he's still gonna say what the fuck is your problem what was the false

00:37:08.020 accusation you were about to make i wasn't gonna false accusation i was what were you about to say

00:37:12.400 i was about to say why are you getting so defensive about sexual assault what were you about to say

00:37:19.060 no that's not what you were about to say it's not we know it wasn't i know so i know what were you

00:37:25.540 this is why the podcast takes six hours yeah i know because you're about to throw out a very

00:37:30.580 fucking serious accusation um no it wasn't it was going to be a question no you were about to ask

00:37:37.400 have you ever done x right that's what you were about to say have you ever made a girl feel

00:37:42.360 uncomfortable is what i was about to say and is that why you are so offended i'm just wondering

00:37:46.480 why you're so offended you ever made a man uncomfortable yeah totally do you do it a lot

00:37:50.400 maybe so you're the perpetrator um it's not on purpose oh it just it just i think men feel

00:37:55.700 uncomfortable when women question them it's just by accident sure no okay i don't just sit there and

00:38:02.620 go oh my gosh sounds like a man sounds like you're the perpetrator here sure okay

00:38:06.700 oh wow i'm sure he wanted me to argue with that don't need you to argue with that i'm happy with that

00:38:17.140 answer how did we all get i know how did we all get speechless on this topic i want to i want to go

00:38:22.040 back to the generalization i mean if you bite that bullet there's nowhere for me to go you are like

00:38:24.860 the king of talking over everybody that's good because most of you have nothing good to say

00:38:28.260 listen i because we're women no no they literally do not respect women

00:38:33.260 it's it's i'm not dumb wait that wasn't cool i'm not dumb you're like you gotta watch it

00:38:39.300 you're gonna get canceled you're a bigot and that's all if every single i'm gonna get canceled

00:38:43.640 the rainbow pride parade what are they gonna do there are different levels of being smart you can

00:38:49.720 be okay your behavior is actually you're you're brian acting dumb and uneducated you're so educated

00:38:56.440 but you act like a little boy oh really the cancel culture queen over here i'm the one who's the

00:39:00.740 problem i mean i'm not i don't cancel anybody listen you're you're apparently like a god-fearing

00:39:06.440 no i i pointed out the joke as his character i know he has bad character it's okay he's such a godly

00:39:12.440 combative and a brat but if i say a word about it i'm the evil villain you're not an evil villain

00:39:17.400 yeah good then stop whining and let's have the conversation we're having a conversation

00:39:21.560 all you've been doing is whining i've been keeping the same tone the whole time well you're literally

00:39:25.480 just why do you think she's whining what she's literally because she's whining about a joke

00:39:32.360 what happens is when women are made to feel uncomfortable they have two options the first

00:39:36.920 option is they could argue but they suck at that so they usually got an option two which is to whine and

00:39:42.120 complain and be brats and talk about nonsense how long have you been married for oh my that's what

00:39:47.960 i'm saying wild to me thank you dude he is not a real man did you just he is not and he is not he

00:39:55.000 wants a woman to do whatever they want he's not a real man you're not you're a biological man

00:40:01.400 yeah yeah hold on stop shut up hold on stop stop stop everybody cease with the ad homes everybody

00:40:08.600 stop with ad homes we're gonna try to get through this podcast without it having to devolve into like

00:40:15.080 personal attacks every five minutes go ahead okay speaking of personal attacks i would like him to go

00:40:21.080 around the table and tell us exactly who he thinks is dumb on this podcast because i've barely spoken

00:40:26.600 literally just tried to move things along just drop it i told everybody to stop if we question

00:40:32.280 them we're wrong they can question us we have to answer all their questions if we ask them we it's

00:40:36.280 your private life two hundred dollars andrew wilson get i just didn't realize you guys were actually

00:40:42.040 this bad anyway my spangler goes like this i'm trying to thank you i agree with the jesus would not

00:40:49.000 agree and i'm very upset and i'm sure he is too comes back liked it tell it to your priest who marries

00:40:54.520 your your preacher whoever it is okay no my priest just understands that he doesn't have enough

00:41:00.760 knowledge of the hebrew language to you need to act like you you need to stop the hebrew language you

00:41:05.560 guys need to stop we're going to stop devolving into ad homes we're going to stop having meta

00:41:10.600 conversations i tried to move things on why are you bringing it back to a meta conversation and trying

00:41:17.320 to like let me move the conversation on so we can have a show by the way don't ask him don't ask him to

00:41:23.160 i didn't go around to every table and state why everybody's dumb i told everybody that's what i

00:41:30.200 wanted to hear is that you because you generally told everybody i wanted to hear that that was you

00:41:35.720 know yeah we're going to stop having meta conversations we're going to get into the actual

00:41:40.200 content of the show this is the content no it's not okay you don't want all the drama not really

00:41:49.560 not really okay did you have a different question that you wanted no no nothing at all okay this all

00:41:57.000 started because you made yo did you did you not just hear what i said i just want cease with the

00:42:01.960 meta conversation do you know what a meta conversation is no andrew it's a conversation

00:42:07.080 about the conversation we're gonna cease having meta conversations let's actually get into the content

00:42:11.640 okay okay goddamn holy shit that was just the intro man of god he's not okay i've heard him say

00:42:21.560 it that's which means he doesn't identify as a christian i so don't say you're a man of god it

00:42:27.240 doesn't matter he doesn't he has he called himself a man of god with her with her parents or whatever

00:42:32.840 wait so hold on now now you're saying that well hold on i'm questioning i'm questioning you i'm

00:42:39.240 questioning you because you took the lord's name in vain guys please don't fucking uh high horse on

00:42:47.080 this like come on you guys are not we're not you high horse as well if you want you guys are not you

00:42:53.400 guys yourselves are not abiding so we can't stop interrupting i'll submit to you yo you've got a

00:43:01.640 fucking really nasty attitude for this show to work you can't be interrupting you can't be having meta

00:43:06.840 conversations you can't be like throwing out these little quips and jabs do you understand

00:43:12.760 what are you doing so we're allowed to be interrupted but as the so first he wasn't he's

00:43:19.080 not the host correct is that correct okay you interrupt you're you're interrupting me now

00:43:24.200 i'll try to make it clear he you're the host we yield to you i will try to limit interruption from

00:43:32.280 everybody but i was in the middle of talking and you were interrupting me this time yes i'm done now

00:43:39.000 bro you got a bad fucking attitude holy fuck you immediately started you no you also have a bad

00:43:46.120 attitude let's keep going you've been i've been trying to get this back normal back straight but

00:43:50.920 you you got a bad attitude what's the next question can i talk about my 12-year marriage no

00:43:59.720 not juicy enough can i talk about my virginity nick what's the first thing that we're gonna

00:44:08.200 let's let's do some of our reacts first if we can hopefully we can try to uh

00:44:12.760 okay that's funny soccer player kaka's ex-wife that's a weird name but says she divorced him

00:44:35.720 because he was the perfect husband uh next nick what and this is apparently a quote from her and

00:44:42.200 i've seen this all over the internet he says kaka never betrayed me he treated me well he gave

00:44:46.920 me a wonderful family but i was not happy something was missing the problem was he was

00:44:52.680 too perfect for me she needs therapy so treated me well this guy i assume he was a soccer player

00:45:01.720 who's probably rich successful gave her a wonderful family um but she was not happy something was

00:45:08.680 missing the problem was he was too perfect for me so i want to get the panel's reactions on this do you

00:45:14.680 think that you know ending a marriage that especially involves children because she uh she wasn't happy

00:45:21.480 because he was too perfect do you think that's good pretext for a divorce and the end of a uh breaking

00:45:28.360 up of a family ending of a relationship no i think like i just think people need to have their

00:45:35.560 shit together together or whatever before they step into a marriage honestly so i don't agree

00:45:43.400 where where she's coming from for not being happy like you can't just walk out after having kids

00:45:51.640 if that's really what she said um i feel bad for the man i have to agree i think she probably

00:45:59.080 needed some therapy more so than just leaving the family correct i think um people both men and women

00:46:05.400 are too quick to decide that minor issues and not being perfect and being perfect is not a minor issue

00:46:11.960 it's not an issue at all people are too quick to toss away the beautiful arrangement that god has made

00:46:17.000 which is man and wife and children in a nuclear family so shame on her if it's true right this is the

00:46:23.000 media we don't know what is and is not true or what there is behind closed doors right absolutely

00:46:28.760 the truth but that quote sounds terrible yeah that's her quote that was a she could have made

00:46:33.160 something up at least like for real yeah we could have validated but no leaving a man for being perfect

00:46:38.600 is bad disgusting wrong yeah yeah i agree with that i mean it doesn't really make sense if that is what

00:46:44.920 she really said then i don't agree with it just because everybody goes through stuff and you can work

00:46:50.360 through it if it's a you know a family that you're talking about at the same time you should you know

00:46:55.880 think about your kids first and try to work on it i'm gonna go a different route i think it sounds like

00:47:01.160 she's struggling with something so i felt like is she this is a big accusation is she feeling like

00:47:07.560 guilty for something that she did and she feels bad because her husband is a great man she doesn't

00:47:13.000 want to pin him in a bad light so she's like i'm just gonna dip out now but he was a great guy

00:47:17.400 no i like that you brought that up just because i feel like a lot of women feel like they have a

00:47:22.120 really good man but they are missing that spark and it's unfortunate now that she has children and

00:47:27.480 kids also and that brings a whole different thing but she should have probably figured that out before

00:47:35.000 they got married and she probably had something in her head that said i should not marry him but he's

00:47:41.240 a great guy he probably has a good job he's probably showering her with all this attention not

00:47:46.680 talking to other people and it's it's poor because he he just picked the wrong woman at the end of the

00:47:52.600 day but there was probably signs somewhere in there between yeah can you move your mic to the corner

00:47:58.040 yeah absolutely uh andrew your reaction uh yeah it's all i mean it's all but too common so oftentimes

00:48:05.880 we see this happen over and over and over again where we'll see these women especially with high profile

00:48:10.680 men uh men say this kind of stuff right now i just you know i just don't like him anymore

00:48:17.560 conveniently enough they also happen to not like him and walk off with millions of dollars of his

00:48:22.920 money so it makes me think maybe there's an ulterior motive behind it other than i just don't feel the

00:48:29.960 spark i mean sure he's rich and good and everything that i ever wanted but walking away i can basically

00:48:37.240 could now go hook up with whoever i want and have millions of dollars of his money so it seems like

00:48:41.560 a strong alter or ulterior motive for it well that's true i can't state that emphatically right i

00:48:49.320 don't have any evidence other than her saying sure he's the perfect man now give me the millions but i

00:48:54.440 mean i'm sure the money doesn't hurt i'm sure it doesn't hurt the reason she would have walked away

00:48:58.120 from a whole family it could be i mean if you if you had to guess if you had to guess if somebody

00:49:03.960 said oh you know he's perfect in every way just adore him but you know i'm gonna leave him and take

00:49:10.280 millions of dollars of his money so i'm saying i wouldn't you think yeah i think the reason she

00:49:15.000 doesn't want to stay is probably because she wants his fucking money well no she needs therapy i don't

00:49:20.280 think she's happy with well how's she gonna pay for it we're not sure if they don't they they might

00:49:24.120 have a prenup now i feel like a lot of celebrities and high profiles have prenups put in place as

00:49:28.440 well so we don't know what they end up you should surprisingly far fewer than you think then that

00:49:35.080 makes them dumb right you do but i mean when you get i don't disagree with that this is pretty dumb

00:49:40.440 so i think if anything they should sign the prenup based off of whatever you make after when you are

00:49:44.200 together keep in mind you guys she's probably not walking away from her family more times than not

00:49:49.400 the women get the kids so she's leaving her perfect husband possibly penniless and childless

00:49:55.480 probably fighting for rights just to see his children and the only thing she's saving him is

00:50:00.360 not slandering he has she he still has half of his money it's still not an easy decision he's not

00:50:05.560 penniless no i'm poor that poor girl she is wrong i just can't believe it i feel bad for her it's terrible

00:50:11.480 okay so she is wrong i'm not saying that she's not wrong but it's still not an easy decision for her

00:50:16.200 to make like why not making it because she needs help she doesn't realize that she's not happy with

00:50:20.440 peacefulness and content she she needs some turbulence in order to feel like she matters

00:50:25.240 or whatever yes she's a psycho so she needs no she just has traumatic experiences she needs therapy

00:50:29.720 that's it but i don't think she made the decision i don't think she made the decision to leave her

00:50:33.560 family because she was like i want money let me just go get money well then why you tell me why would

00:50:37.400 you break up your family with your kids because with your kids the kids being the primary thing here

00:50:44.120 walk away from the family break it up destroy the lives of the kids and take the money

00:50:51.000 because in her mind she's thinking i'm not happy here right this is going to be the rest of my life

00:50:55.560 yeah and she doesn't want that oh too bad for her it's not necessarily what about she's not saying

00:51:00.120 it's good you're arguing with her when she's just giving another option of what you're trying to fight

00:51:05.080 me on a point that i'm not fighting yeah but what about her duty what what do you think her

00:51:09.720 duty i think her duty even if she's unhappy even if she's unhappy he's not doing anything wrong she

00:51:14.600 made the vows to have children together i agree with you but i don't think she leaves only because

00:51:20.360 the money i think she leaves because she needs therapy the money is just a bonus you are so obsessed

00:51:26.840 with women taking your money she's not saying like one at a time she's not saying like oh i i i don't like

00:51:32.440 him because he's so amazing but the money was just really really really tempting and i just like the

00:51:36.600 money more than him that's not what she's saying she's saying he wasn't enough despite him being

00:51:40.760 perfect because she's not enough and she needs help the money was probably a bonus she it didn't hurt

00:51:45.880 you both agree you both agree that she should not have left she's just you're just saying shame on

00:51:49.720 her and she's saying she needs help for the money i'm saying don't need don't need the bridge i just

00:51:54.120 want to dive into this why do we immediately assume that it's therapy and she's not just a selfish

00:51:58.440 bitch i mean that is which you need therapy yeah if you're a selfish bitch you need therapy why

00:52:03.480 because people can that's how you fix yourself how do you know that that's going to fix anything

00:52:07.000 a selfish bitch is going to sit down there and finally have some self-awareness to be like you

00:52:10.200 know what i'm a selfish bitch no sometimes you need to go to a therapist and have a therapist

00:52:13.240 here's the thing here's the thing that's funny you're anti-therapiness what is wrong with you

00:52:17.560 are you going to jump in every time i have a conversation with anybody

00:52:22.360 i thought we were allowed to disagree yeah but can you calm down until we're done having at least our

00:52:26.200 back and forth is that okay sure are you sure for you okay thank you it's very kind of you you're

00:52:30.840 so welcome so anyway when you talk about therapy a lot of times therapy will exacerbate

00:52:35.960 situations like this if you have a bad and i wouldn't surprise me if the reason she left is

00:52:41.000 because she had a therapist who said you gotta do what's good for you girl you gotta do what's

00:52:45.480 good for you you're making a lot of assumptions too about therapy is that she needs therapy because

00:52:51.960 she left how do you know she's not in therapy your therapist didn't tell her to do it that's

00:52:55.480 an assumption if she is then her therapist is bad that's an assumption though no it's not i said

00:53:00.280 she needs therapy that is not yeah but if the therapist says to him okay you know what you

00:53:05.080 should do you is a poor one a therapist is still a human qualify what's a poor not a poor therapist

00:53:10.680 there are a lot of bad i feel like we're now arguing about the therapist and the whole

00:53:14.280 comment was about what she said and regardless of why she said it she's leaving her spouse which

00:53:19.720 is a horrible she's a therapist no good on the statement here is is that you're just assuming

00:53:25.720 that she left solely because of the money which i think is like a really weird thing to think when

00:53:30.520 people don't genuinely think like that right maybe the bunny is like one factor but they have a whole

00:53:34.920 family you think a woman's not going to think about the entire family that's exactly why i think she

00:53:38.760 has an alternative motive because if you were actually thinking about your family the last thing

00:53:42.840 you would do is leave a man who you say is a perfect man break up his family break up your

00:53:46.600 children's relationship with a father and take a bunch of money unless you didn't actually give

00:53:51.080 a shit about that i completely agree with him i just disagree with the way that he's saying it

00:53:58.120 the reason why it's so frustrating to have uh women inside of men's spaces immediately is because

00:54:04.280 it's always tone policing right who cares about tone policing why do you think why who cares about

00:54:10.920 tone policing because it's about the approach on how you know it's not it's about what's being said

00:54:15.080 not how you interpret it no no that's not true actually intention lies within your

00:54:20.120 it's just a bunch of feminist bullshit but but oh no no i'm not a feminist we care about things

00:54:25.240 different then why are you talking about one person at a time one person at a time

00:54:30.200 now johnny it's about how i fuck that i'm gonna say it exactly how it needs to be said hold up go around

00:54:35.160 the table raise your hand if you're a feminist because i'm not oh we'll get to that in a minute

00:54:40.600 feminist okay so by by us saying that we tend to want to agree with you but if we could just

00:54:45.720 deliver it in a way that actually get you to do it how we oh oh i'm sorry there's no interrupting

00:54:49.640 right remember there's no interrupting if you were having a conversation with each other something

00:54:53.160 and we can agree with you but let's say it in a way that actually makes a difference then you're

00:54:56.840 oh tone police tone police we're not tone policing you we're saying how could it not be

00:55:02.680 if you literally are saying to me i agree with what you say i just don't agree with the tone in

00:55:07.800 which you said she said it that's not how she said i agree with what you're saying i don't like

00:55:12.600 how how it's being delivered right you don't like the tone it's literally tone policing that was

00:55:17.640 nothing she totally they all agree with me they don't know they don't like no we didn't fully say

00:55:21.960 that i just don't like the delivery you think women only leave because of money this one and this one

00:55:28.520 no i think why would she leave because of money if he really was perfect she would stay because then

00:55:33.480 she has the husband the kids the house exactly and the money exactly that's more of a win for

00:55:37.800 her to stay why do you think she's just leaving because of money so you don't agree but that's

00:55:42.360 what he's saying yeah you don't know you know what he said and tell me if i'm wrong what he said was

00:55:47.720 no woman should leave her her children a husband who's supposedly perfect in any situation i don't

00:55:55.800 care if she needs therapy or not she shouldn't be leaving but that's not what he said he said it was

00:56:00.280 only if she left is because of money no no alternative motivation if you're looking at

00:56:06.200 the alternative motivation for looking at evidence that's in front of us you literally agreed with me

00:56:11.480 if we say she goes well the husband's perfect everything is great it's just that i just have

00:56:17.720 to break up my whole family and walk away with millions of dollars of his money you said yeah i could

00:56:23.000 see that that that that's the motivation as well i didn't say then you moved over to

00:56:27.400 then he moved over to she needs therapy my counter to that was well maybe she's in therapy

00:56:33.080 a therapist told her for all you know i did not say that you didn't so it's not it doesn't sound

00:56:36.920 like a powerful motivator money no not if you're already with a person who's making you perfectly

00:56:42.680 happy like she just said and already has all the money in the world why would you need to leave him

00:56:46.600 and then take some of his money because you want to go find yourself girl that's not want to be a

00:56:51.480 boss bitch that's what she thinks right yeah and that's why she needs therapy yeah but that's not

00:56:56.520 exactly if the alternative was not for money he's very judgmental it would be great if she just left

00:57:01.400 it with him whatever what do you mean i will have a feeling she's not going to just be like well i'm

00:57:06.120 going to leave and not take any of the money she's going to take the kids with her maybe

00:57:11.640 or maybe they got joint custody but i guarantee he's going to be paying a lot of money so you don't

00:57:15.400 think he should be paying any child support i think that if she could clean rub his back

00:57:19.400 i think if you go a lot of years and take care of the kids oh my goodness first of all that's a

00:57:24.360 whole nother who gives a shit if she did she's sitting at home on her pampered ass where her

00:57:28.680 kids are at school getting taken care of by other people who gives a shit pampered ass yeah pampered

00:57:33.640 you don't know exactly what she's you don't even know what women oh my goodness i don't know what

00:57:37.800 women go through that's not what if she's married you didn't even let me lose my sentence

00:57:41.240 go ahead go ahead probably no it's hit me no that's what i thought so anyway back to where

00:57:46.360 we're at i have the man's statement he's so ugly inside what the fuck i honestly lost my train

00:57:53.080 okay andrew's trying to be a good sport here you just again did an ad hominem do you see every

00:58:01.480 woman good sport okay hold on you don't hold on hold on what's the definition of a good sport oh my

00:58:07.800 god bro i'm trying to bring things back to level and then you just want to object to it immediately

00:58:15.080 and then start attacking me which is not going to be productive so here's how this is going to go

00:58:19.880 from i've been sitting here for the past three minutes andrew i haven't heard anything particularly

00:58:24.760 objectionable from andrew however you came in and said he's really something along the lines of wow

00:58:30.120 he's really ugly on the inside that's an ad hom totally unproductive that's why i'm checking you

00:58:36.040 right now do you understand sure did you say that i said that so that that would then invite andrew to

00:58:41.800 return fire with fire which will just devolve again into insults and personal attacks so you both need

00:58:49.720 to refrain from the ad homes okay does that make sense sure you do realize that you're contributing to the

00:58:57.640 very belligerent nature of this conversation though yes okay so you don't need to make these little

00:59:03.160 quips under your breath to her to or even directly to him or to myself okay do you do you agree okay

00:59:14.120 do you agree to cease with the ad homes and the personal attacks yes okay everybody here can we

00:59:20.760 moving forward can we agree we're going to cease with ad homes and personal attacks yes everyone agree

00:59:25.960 because i think look even if we disagree on i think it's not going to be productive for the conversation

00:59:31.000 can we all agree on that does that include calling us dumb i just all ad homes all ad homes and personal

00:59:37.960 attacks i don't think it's going to be productive for this conversation yeah we all agreed all all is

00:59:44.040 well that's amazing i'm going to read a chat here that's relevant her sentence is true and was published

00:59:49.880 in our newspaper in brazil kaka is one of the greatest players in the history of brazilian football

00:59:56.120 five-time world champion has never been involved in any scandals poor guy which is miracle miracle for

01:00:01.400 the world of football uh rafael thank you man appreciate it and then we have no we are a tree

01:00:07.400 grapist and hypocritical christian lesbians this episode is baller at least they like it yep uh

01:00:14.760 we have daniel w many therapists are not even phd holders anymore therapy can be bad

01:00:19.320 and it's over saturated today divorce is abuse towards children these women fail to realize

01:00:24.360 their arguments normalize and praise divorce create social stigma around it again views on child support

01:00:31.720 uh okay views on child support i support it i think if a woman makes more than a man she should

01:00:40.760 pay child support um if a man makes more than a woman he should pay child support second debt um i think

01:00:46.440 if there i think if there is a joint custody and a woman was not having a job within that partnership

01:00:55.560 because the man didn't want her to i feel like it's his fault for not letting her or her fault for not

01:01:00.680 having money of her own i feel like women should have money for their own for this reason i don't believe

01:01:05.880 you should ever leave your husband and wife i mean your husband and children i think that's sad and wrong

01:01:11.720 unless there was cheating what don't you think it's the most optimal system to have a woman staying

01:01:17.240 at home with the kids yes absolutely that's that's the natural design but once they go to school what

01:01:23.160 does she do well that was my question right so why are we paying her child support again

01:01:29.320 because she doesn't put the kids to sleep she doesn't feed them she doesn't send them to school

01:01:33.720 with stuff like she doesn't cook your food she's like an employee to you i'll answer your questions

01:01:39.480 so if you're if you're sending your kids to school they're going to school for eight hours a day it's

01:01:44.760 a huge block of your day where there's not kids around that's one two not saying in the formative

01:01:51.000 years that women don't put in a lot of work they do but it gets a lot easier for women as the kids

01:01:56.280 get older i mean even by four five six seven right they're going to school for most of the day

01:02:01.640 women are not busting their asses anymore to take care of the kids they're just not it gets way

01:02:07.240 easier for the men on the other hand still are but they're still working the 12s they're still working

01:02:12.200 the 16 hour days so that they can support the family but now they have to do it even more they

01:02:17.800 have to work even more hours if the woman's gonna stay at home because now the system requires two

01:02:22.440 incomes for you to survive it sounds so you have to extend your hours as a man most of the time it

01:02:27.320 sounds like you want the wife to stay at home and raise the children but you're also holding

01:02:31.320 it against her because you have to go to work no no one's holding it against her because you're

01:02:35.240 like oh you you're not really doing anything you just stay at home and i have to go to work no i'm

01:02:39.320 saying that i'm not my claim is it's not equally yoked she's getting the better end of the bargain

01:02:45.560 so if you bring up what about her housework etc i'm saying she still gets the better she's still

01:02:51.400 getting the way better end of the bargain later but she has to put in way no she even gets it earlier

01:02:56.920 no she doesn't she does i agree with him on this i'm sorry but in the beginning when she has to

01:03:00.840 raise the kids till for till what three three years i will say i agree with you on this one

01:03:06.040 for real yeah so for four years i think the woman needs to be in the household okay how many kids do

01:03:10.120 you have hey who here agrees with me who has kids well i do i don't have kids well but i want to put it

01:03:16.680 with kids agree i want to put it in a context i want to put it in a context

01:03:20.920 aren't you businesswoman yes i am but i want to put it in a context that empowers women which is yes

01:03:25.960 women who get to stay home and raise their children while their husband works hard that is

01:03:30.760 a blessing absolutely that is a blessing to the woman and i have been an entrepreneur my entire life

01:03:36.760 and four years ago i lost everything i had worked for and god gave me the gift of enjoying my children

01:03:43.000 at home and i didn't realize how incredibly empowering that was and that was our natural

01:03:48.280 role and i will say this too as well because if i don't keep talking you're just gonna talk over

01:03:51.880 everybody i will also say this child support started on this concept that well because i stayed

01:03:59.960 home all of those formative years i wasn't able to this is when people got married at like 20 i wasn't

01:04:05.800 able to go to college and build a career and now if we get divorced i don't have anything that i've done

01:04:11.080 for myself except for these children i'm not saying it's right or wrong i'm saying that's how child support

01:04:15.080 started but now women and men take advantage of the system where they abuse and they hire the the

01:04:22.200 highest paid lawyer and they they want to get vindictive against their spouse and they literally

01:04:27.160 use government which we shouldn't be using to punish a spouse and get more money that they don't deserve

01:04:34.440 or punish people and not to give them money that they do deserve but i will say again women do not work as

01:04:41.320 hard as men doing the dishes and the laundry and paying the bills and running errands and raising

01:04:46.440 your children is beautiful and it is a gift but that's the job some men and women run empires

01:04:52.920 together but if you're a stay-at-home mom that's the job yeah i was a stay-at-home mom for nine years i

01:04:58.120 think it's where women need to be i think we need to be in the household i think we need to be

01:05:04.360 barefoot in the kitchen raising our children and i am now working um i work with my husband and with

01:05:09.960 lindsey but i i don't agree with the the child support and some i mean again i think when you're

01:05:17.240 taking like lindsey said when it started it was meant that way it's a good thing but at the same

01:05:22.920 time i feel like it should be completely off the table we shouldn't even be discussing this why is

01:05:26.920 divorce such at such a high rate and then we wouldn't need to be having child support i think

01:05:30.680 i saw a statistic that divorce was actually down from 1980 people are getting married oh no one gets

01:05:36.040 married that's joe biden's america i'm gonna read a couple chats here we have living the walmart brand

01:05:43.400 ain't it thank you living facts we have uh that's gonna take a second living thank you man appreciate

01:05:50.920 the messages thank you everybody who's uh super chatting and sending in some stream stream labs

01:05:56.120 messages appreciate it guys like the video while you're watching i'm just waiting for this next one

01:06:00.280 to pull up hold on anthony vasilati hey thank you man appreciate it andrew why blank on therapy yes

01:06:07.960 girl with glasses needs a reality check about what's important in life my girlfriend of 15 years passed

01:06:13.800 recently sorry to hear that i raised two kids i'm on my feet today thanks to my psychologist great

01:06:20.600 good job anthony would object to it in like someone who's trying to get over people have actual serious

01:06:25.560 trauma but women don't use therapy that same way they'll use therapy for all sorts of why do you

01:06:30.840 generalize all women under one body statement to assume not a big statement to assume i'm assuming

01:06:38.680 you're going on is there statistics that you have for that not only is there statistics that we can cite

01:06:43.800 for this but we can look at psychology itself psychology itself is a soft science it's not a real science

01:06:50.680 it's a soft science just like the medical field it's a soft science and so we can't reproduce most

01:06:56.680 of the data which is inside of psychology you can't reproduce its massive reproduction crisis

01:07:01.400 stop talking i'm almost done up to 70 percent of the studies can't be reproduced in psychology

01:07:07.160 sociology is terrible with the same exact problem across the board the question becomes with psychology

01:07:14.600 itself and psychologists they're practicing a soft science what are the benefits that you're getting

01:07:20.520 from a psychologist that you wouldn't get from a buddy you would say that they have some sort of

01:07:25.880 scientific training i would argue that if the science itself can't be reproduced then it's not

01:07:33.640 scientific at all and they're basically just renting a buddy that's the way that you have a buddy then

01:07:38.440 there's a bias response that's coming i disagree with you on the sense that psychology is like completely

01:07:44.760 not worth even considering because you can't reproduce the science or whatever because i do think it has

01:07:49.640 sorry i do think it has basis in um reality but i do agree that obviously when you speak to a therapist

01:07:55.720 not every therapist is going to be a good one even if they have all their qualifications they're still

01:07:59.720 going to be able to they're going to give you wrong information there are a lot of a lot of people who

01:08:04.600 genuinely try therapy they always will tell you that it's a matter of finding a good thing sure but

01:08:08.920 this makes my point actually so how could how can you judge if a therapist is a good therapist or

01:08:16.040 not if it's supposed to be a science but there's no scientific standard from which we can judge them

01:08:21.480 other than maybe trial and by results right i've got a five-star rating or i've got a three-star rating

01:08:28.840 well it's so the question hang on hang on almost done so the question becomes if we have no scientific

01:08:33.960 standards you're calling yourself a scientist we know which ones are good and which ones are not good

01:08:39.800 how do you know that it's a trial and error thing a lot of it is is you find a therapist who works

01:08:44.920 with you properly because they're able to understand you some therapists aren't good and some are some

01:08:50.840 are good for certain people some are not good for other people some like specialize in certain fields

01:08:56.520 so that they're used to certain thought patterns and know how to address them accordingly but it's a

01:09:01.080 very it's a very nuanced thing so if it's just randomized and nuanced i would argue back that you might

01:09:07.720 be able to get the exact same results by just going to friend to friend i would agree with you

01:09:11.720 as well until you find the right one i would agree with that as well however you would probably need

01:09:15.720 to find a very mature friend maybe yeah or maybe an immature friend after all you have psychologists

01:09:21.560 who are 23 24 25 26 years old no but i'm that's that's what i'm saying they're bad therapists out there

01:09:26.840 you don't know you could have a very very mature friend who's who's able to understand certain

01:09:33.240 behaviors and why people do certain things and they can sit down with you and talk to you and help

01:09:37.880 you piece it out but there's no scientific rigorism okay it doesn't so that so judging it would be just

01:09:44.840 basically judging it off of how you feel as a result you just think the entire field of psychology is

01:09:49.000 bogus of course okay so then it's a soft science well if it's a soft science and it can't be reproduced

01:09:55.560 but there's what what could i use other than tales of people saying it's horrible and tales of people

01:10:00.680 saying it's good these are not because scientific ways to evaluate there are certain types that people

01:10:06.760 fall into when it comes to their personalities because of certain because the way they were raised

01:10:11.080 yeah hold on hold on stop stop stop stop right now she's talking you guys were specifically

01:10:17.240 instructed before the show no sidebar conversations please kindly if somebody's talking don't have a

01:10:26.200 sidebar conversation it's rude to the audience and it's rude to her let her speak don't be talking

01:10:33.400 when she's talking go ahead i don't remember what i'm saying my train of thought okay well we're going

01:10:39.480 to move on because it's kind of not even that interesting all right we have a chat here patriot barbie

01:10:45.000 fan hi lindsey love you so much and follow you on ig saw you meet the president trump on sunday and

01:10:49.560 that he pulled you up in front of a crowd to talk to you andrew stopping a dick

01:10:55.160 to her and kendall all right all right thank you yes we have that scott let's cut the crap this

01:11:00.840 woman left her husband broke her vows and family no excuse black chick with the pink hair

01:11:04.760 stfu and respect the platform i can't imagine a man coming home to your bs

01:11:10.040 too bad with a man it's fine she's with a woman i can't imagine i mean you'd have to change the

01:11:17.800 gender i guess um we have no therapy and just god coming in here oh shit every feminist preaching to

01:11:25.640 the choir deflecting nasty attitudes giving out hypothetical outliers as evidence to an argument

01:11:30.280 devoid of any uh do you mean logical thought poor me victim attitudes allergic to the truth hey

01:11:37.080 thank you man appreciate it um so i thought i was the only feminist here am i not i doesn't seem

01:11:44.040 like you are uh they just think that women respecting themselves and having their own

01:11:48.520 opinions is feminism let's define it there's another quip there let's define feminism yeah

01:11:54.440 and also a straw man well done with a fallacious argumentation uh what's the definition of

01:11:59.720 feminism yeah hold on men and women are equal yeah i would i would say it would be the movement towards

01:12:06.200 the egalitarian nature of men and women can you say it a little bit more men and women less egalitarian

01:12:14.680 well when you're talking about egalitarianism you're talking about equality and equity

01:12:19.080 so it would be the movement towards the equality and equity between men and women oh i think men and

01:12:24.040 women are uniquely very different and we are not equal in what ways so many ways i mean

01:12:30.680 i have xx chromosomes you have y no i don't mean biological ways i mean in what ways under the

01:12:36.920 law purview of the law in the way that you would want to see laws of the land structured would you

01:12:42.200 say that men and women should not be equal think like kindle think like god's rules for men to be

01:12:47.480 strong protect provide providers and be called into war women are nurturing their children um tending

01:12:54.600 their home creating a you know a beautiful nuclear family dynamic that kind of thing so like for

01:13:03.080 instance let me ask you this we'll test this real quick and just find out do you think that there

01:13:07.640 should be female politicians yes yeah yes yes yeah why not you don't because because it actually it

01:13:15.640 creates a conundrum from the christian worldview okay this is why you believe that you should submit to

01:13:20.120 your husband right absolutely but it says actually they should submit to each other to each other

01:13:25.480 anything else that i can help you with i think can i finish my conversation kendall because so but

01:13:30.520 you know i wouldn't want to tell him police go ahead no you go ahead are you sure sure is it okay

01:13:37.800 are you gonna be okay okay so anyway if you submit to your husband right and you're a politician

01:13:44.760 can't and your husband goes to you and says i want you to vote this way are you gonna vote that way

01:13:50.120 no oh well that's not submission then yeah because i don't think you should submit to your husband

01:13:57.160 i believe she should hear him out on why and a wife should be equal you would say you would hear

01:14:01.400 him out right oh i would absolutely wait wait who should pay on the first day hold on hold on who

01:14:06.120 should pay on the first day well you just said men and women should be equal so how do you reconcile

01:14:10.440 that statement don't you believe in traditional values yeah but it's what well there's a different

01:14:15.640 okay you know what i'll change my answer actually i'll change my answer you're a feminist how can you

01:14:21.400 say listen i'm changing my answer if the woman asks the man out first she don't women overwhelmingly

01:14:27.160 don't women yeah but it's it's this very almost like it's probably willfully naive guys one at a time

01:14:34.280 please it's a very willfully naive position to take that well whoever asked should pay well overwhelmingly men

01:14:41.480 are the initiators okay so your answer may like de facto men are going to be the ones who are asking

01:14:49.480 so your answer might as well be men should pay okay unless you unless you're what does that have to do

01:14:53.560 with my belief that men and like a wife and you need to tilt your mic down sorry what does that have

01:14:58.360 to do with my belief that a husband and a wife should be equal in a marriage well how do you arrive at

01:15:04.040 the marriage through the courtship process right correct which is unequal if you if you're in the

01:15:08.760 position i do think that the man should pursue why why i don't because i just think he should

01:15:14.920 well initially and you seem to want want to walk it back initially you said well don't you believe

01:15:19.480 in traditional gender roles but you're a feminist how do you reconcile your desire for equality it

01:15:25.560 does contradict no traditional values and feminism don't it a hundred percent okay well let's see if

01:15:30.920 they don't let's just find out like for wait let me ask one question sure uh so you do want the

01:15:35.960 guy to pay for the first day correct if he asks me out sure let's say he does do you want to get

01:15:41.000 married one day yes okay uh do you will you take your husband's last name yes go ahead andrew you

01:15:48.520 are not a feminist why am i not because you don't want to be a feminist i think you want to align with

01:15:53.480 feminism but i think secretly deep down what you want is you want a man to court you to take you to

01:15:58.760 dinner to treat you nice to ask you to marry him and to create a family that's what you're saying

01:16:03.960 kind of right i mean i think it should go both ways but in the beginning the man should do the

01:16:07.480 courting and then the woman should also be well that's a gender isn't that a gender expectation

01:16:12.440 yeah i do think that there are gender roles in society i don't necessarily think that means that

01:16:16.600 men and women are not what what would your expectations be in a relationship where you're

01:16:21.960 both a feminist but also desires of a traditional relationship he asks me out takes me on a first date

01:16:28.440 and then after that everything's normal that's it we we just interact normally we like each other we

01:16:33.800 we you'll so you'll pay you'll go 50 50 yeah the first date you should go after that you want to

01:16:40.360 pay 50 50 will you insist will you insist that it's 50 50 from there on out or if the guy continues to

01:16:47.000 be like no i want i would probably you'll just allow no i'd probably say something okay so why this

01:16:51.960 arbitrary you want one singular date for the guy to pay just because like i do think that the guy

01:16:57.720 should be the one pursuing why beginning why because i do believe in traditional values that's

01:17:02.280 like to a certain extent so you want to a point where it okay so you want i like the ones i like

01:17:08.840 so for you for you equality is a buffet you want to pick and choose that which benefits you and

01:17:15.720 disregard that which doesn't so you want tradition for the man i guess that's a fair thing to say you

01:17:21.320 want you want tradition for the man in these scenarios so then you're saying that women should

01:17:24.680 be pursuing first that's your no like women should ask the man out on the date if it is your expectation

01:17:29.880 then it brings up the fact that there's kind of an ingrained hypocrisy there right but there isn't

01:17:34.680 right why can't why can't a man pursue and then still why are you offended because i believe that

01:17:40.440 women and men are equal i do think that women are you talking about just in marriage everything i

01:17:46.280 think that women should be able to vote i think women should be able to drop you think women should

01:17:49.480 have to be drafted about for a long time that's a great question should women be drafted i don't

01:17:54.920 know i'll have to think i think what do you think well i thought they were equal you did say right

01:18:00.920 yeah you did say that they should be drafted you want them you want to be drafted so if you were

01:18:04.600 drafted tomorrow would you go um i'd probably leave the country yeah you wouldn't go so so much for

01:18:09.400 that equality can you stop sorry so much for that equality you would flee you would draft well i

01:18:15.240 mean men could also leave the country yeah i get it but from the equality standpoint it's just kind

01:18:20.200 of interesting that well wait a second i guess in order to be consistent i would have to say yes

01:18:25.880 i would have to get drafted but if you did draft me i'm getting the

01:18:29.080 out of here asking me about personal questions i personally would not want to draft in a war i'd leave

01:18:34.760 but do i think that if men get drafted women should be too yeah i think that's fair yeah

01:18:39.240 yeah but if you actually believe that then you would have to accept the fact that if you get

01:18:43.000 drafted you gonna go okay that's fair i'd probably try to leave the country and i'm sure a lot of

01:18:48.360 other guys will actually really quick on the on the military guys don't really quick on the military

01:18:52.840 thing is uh this is actually what what happens even for the volunteer force of women if they're

01:18:59.560 about to be deployed to uh to a conflict zone conflict area they get pregnant a lot i was about yes

01:19:06.040 yes frequently frequently they tend to get pregnant which would preclude them from having to be deployed

01:19:11.720 so uh even if you do get drafted or even if you're a volunteer a lot of these women tend to

01:19:19.320 i'll just get knocked up i'll just get pregnant so i can avoid having to get also typically they get

01:19:25.480 assigned different like not uh comp like uh frontline combat positions anyways so even if they do get

01:19:32.760 deployed they're typically much more safer than their male counterparts in the military we have

01:19:38.200 another thing to react to nick while we get this is uh megan fox she had a video go kind of viral

01:19:48.680 recently can you play it got a lot of single ladies here who you know they're having a single

01:19:52.840 summer and they need some advice from you um i don't know if i'm the best person to give advice

01:19:57.320 because my advice is like just learn a skill or develop a hobby and do not waste your energy on

01:20:04.280 boys honestly all they're gonna do is drain you just move on invest in yourself we've got a lot of

01:20:11.240 single ladies here deposit so that's uh that's it not much there but she does say that uh you know

01:20:17.640 they'll just waste your time and drain you men do you think that there would be an uproar if a male of

01:20:23.960 her uh status were to say the same thing but just swap the no i don't think if like uh ryan gosling

01:20:32.520 were to say what what's what was the first thing she said nick just pull it up one more time what was

01:20:38.440 the first thing she said if ryan gosling would go on an interview and say who you know they're having

01:20:43.480 a single summer and they need some advice from you um i don't know if i'm the best person to give

01:20:48.040 advice because my advice is like just learn a skill or develop a hobby and do not waste your energy on

01:20:55.240 boys do not waste your all they're gonna do is drain you so if i'm gosling if i don't think that was

01:21:01.720 bad huh this is like advice that men give to other men like don't waste your time on

01:21:06.360 bitches like make sure you develop a hobby go find a job like work yourself be be worth something don't

01:21:12.440 waste your time on hoes and bitches yeah but there's that's because of the value difference

01:21:16.600 right oh so now there's a just i believe she's saying that there is people are gonna come

01:21:21.160 well wait there is a justification for it standard here there's no double standard okay because i don't

01:21:26.680 ascribe to the fact you're egalitarian worldview of equality right so let's let's throw in that there

01:21:33.000 is that there is a distinction in standards because there's a value distinction the value distinction is

01:21:39.080 is that i disagree with you well okay you can you don't even know what i'm gonna say why would you

01:21:43.560 disagree with me there's a value distinction between men and women you don't think there is

01:21:48.600 i think that they're different i don't think that they're valued differently no no okay so

01:21:54.440 then you would say that they prefer the exact same things no okay so then there's value differences

01:21:59.640 okay they value different yes but they themselves are valued yeah i wasn't talking about their intrinsic

01:22:05.640 quality or rights yet okay i'm talking about the things that they value are different different

01:22:10.520 things so if if men are valuing for instance physical beauty standards youth for children

01:22:16.680 things like this they don't really give a shit about women's income women on the other hand do care a

01:22:20.680 lot about men's income so if men are giving the advice to focus on gaining a lot more income if they

01:22:25.960 want to have a good stable relationship and have a woman stay at home take care of their kids that

01:22:29.960 really is good advice for women them having a skill long-term skill and wasting their youthful years

01:22:36.520 doesn't seem to me to be great advice yeah um when you're a woman i think maybe you'd understand

01:22:43.320 but if you waste your entire time if you were a man i think you'd understand probably but if you

01:22:48.040 waste your entire time um trying to please men your whole life you do waste yourself away that's not what

01:22:53.800 i said though that's what she's saying she's saying don't waste your time on boys find a hobby

01:22:58.360 develop something interesting because if you're obsessed with boys and that is your hobby you're

01:23:01.960 gonna have a problem okay women have x amount of years where they have strong fertility and that's

01:23:07.800 in their 20s okay that's their strongest years for fertility okay so if they're busy out developing

01:23:13.560 a skill and wait not wasting any time on boys in their 20s you're misunderstanding i'm not

01:23:18.440 misunderstanding what she's saying because you're not a girl well then when she's saying don't waste your

01:23:23.480 time on boys she means literally don't make your entire world revolve around boys she doesn't know you're

01:23:28.120 just setting that in that's not what she said yes she doesn't mean never ever talk to a boy she's

01:23:33.480 but boy she's literally dating somebody she has a boyfriend so she's saying work on yourself she's

01:23:38.600 literally just saying yeah she's work on yourself instead don't drain yourself it will come to you

01:23:42.520 no i think what you're doing find something else that i think what you're doing don't make your world

01:23:46.200 revolve is you're not taking what she actually said you're just mapping what you want what you want

01:23:51.320 it to sound like literally dating a man right now but just like just like with almost everything i say to

01:23:55.400 you wanting to interpret just like everything i say to you you reinterpret it to say something i

01:23:59.480 didn't say that's what's happening here you did that before with the other girl you said oh he

01:24:03.320 she left because she only wanted money and she only wanted this you made so many assumptions and then

01:24:07.000 you're doing those presuppositions i challenged them yeah you're doing the i literally she needs

01:24:11.640 therapy that's a presupposition lady issues can you not agree with me but but the why's the why's

01:24:17.640 what matters she could have the issue from the therapist it doesn't matter it does matter she

01:24:22.920 just needs a better therapist the point is we agree that she has an internal issue it's not about the

01:24:26.840 money and you're just assuming in this case you're also assuming that she means never ever ever talk

01:24:31.400 to a man when that's not what she's saying that's what she said two separate points it's very obvious

01:24:35.480 to know what she means because there are a lot of because you made it the fuck up you just map what you

01:24:39.320 want onto it actually go boy crazy and they actually do revolve their entire lives around men what does that

01:24:45.000 have to do with what she actually said versus what you are mapping on to what she said because

01:24:49.320 you want her to have said that she has a boyfriend so what okay we got one in circles we're going

01:24:54.760 around in circles she obviously has a girlfriend stop she has a boyfriend i get that i get your point

01:25:01.000 that i can see most likely what she meant was hey you know don't waste your time on boys really focus

01:25:07.320 on yourself but i get what you're saying in the sense that for me when i went to college i went to

01:25:13.480 college to get a degree but i also went to college to find my husband i was looking for a

01:25:17.960 man are you for real why is he getting scolded for side conversation

01:25:26.280 what i would love to hear your point everyone gets yelled at for side conversations but she was

01:25:33.160 directing out of the side to him sorry

01:25:35.000 my point was i just allow me look look look you've just gone your interruption is now greater

01:25:45.480 than his minor sidebar i don't always catch every single sidebar that's gonna occur but now now i'm

01:25:52.200 having to respond to you because you've just totally interrupted the entire thing let me host okay if i miss

01:25:58.360 a sidebar blame it on me how does your husband feel about that what how's your wife feel about it

01:26:06.040 she's not married i'm not married yeah go ahead she is to a man i genuinely i went to college to

01:26:12.120 obviously to get a degree but i also had a goal to find myself a husband i agree with you that women

01:26:16.680 have prime years where we are to find a husband to have children and i think it's sad that in today's

01:26:23.480 society women are focusing more on themselves it's a very me-centric society right now and

01:26:30.520 in turn they're going into the workforce and they're not having children and they're not getting

01:26:35.000 married and i think that's a really sad place i think the reason for that the reason why giving

01:26:39.720 women rights makes them decide to be more independent and not want to marry in order to participate in

01:26:45.080 society is because they aren't happy in their marriages because men are used to acting no offense

01:26:49.480 like you respectfully and bitches like you yeah that's fair respectfully no that's fine i don't

01:26:57.240 care i don't need this throwback but um just they they act in ways where it's like the woman must submit

01:27:02.520 the woman must live for me and unfortunately women are people too for you that's unfortunate

01:27:08.360 and we don't necessarily want to live just for a man we want to live for ourselves as well and if a man

01:27:14.520 can't understand that then we don't want to be married to them and there are a lot of men who cannot

01:27:17.960 understand that so a lot of women no longer want to why should we try why should we waste our lives

01:27:22.600 away for a man to just be like good stay at home do this let me not respect you let me let me act

01:27:27.080 like i'm doing you a thing that's not the right kind of man you're not finding the right kind of

01:27:31.080 man but there's a lot of men like there are so you got to seed them out you got to look for the

01:27:34.760 right kind of man because i'm telling you the man that i am married to loves and respects 100 and i

01:27:39.880 feel like women are i i do think women put men down way too often i think it goes both ways

01:27:47.960 so yes absolutely it absolutely so moving back to this let's let's test this and see if this is

01:27:53.400 correct you think that women are staying away from men and trying to go towards relationship because

01:28:00.920 men are just big meanie heads yeah yeah i mean that's what you said right no i yeah i mean if you

01:28:06.760 want to make it sound stupid go can you can you can you explain though why you think that if if men

01:28:12.760 if women were happy in their marriages then giving them the right to participate in society without

01:28:18.360 marriage wouldn't have an impact on marriage but it does because they don't like it they don't like

01:28:23.240 being married because they're not being treated well in marriage right you have you have what about

01:28:27.400 the incentives that they have right here she's very happy in her marriage because her husband treats

01:28:31.880 her what about the incentives they have to get divorced though they have incentives to get divorced

01:28:37.000 yeah but if you actually like your partner you're not going to want to get divorced right i'm sure

01:28:40.600 if you have incentives you may no kendall is not going to divorce her husband just for the money

01:28:45.000 she likes her husband so what the kendall's not every woman do you when you talk about

01:28:51.800 when you talk about incentivizations back the other direction what you're saying is there's no

01:28:56.440 possibility that there could be incentivizations the other direction which could convince a woman to leave

01:29:00.840 her husband that's what you're saying if she doesn't like him yeah there are a lot of incentives

01:29:04.920 but if he's treating her perfectly well and she is perfectly healthy as an individual as well then

01:29:10.360 there shouldn't be no problem that she would have no reason to leave okay so so why would kendall

01:29:14.920 leave got it i understand what you're saying i just want to grant it i want to make sure i'm not

01:29:18.440 straw manning you so i'm going to steel man it okay back to you if a woman's happy in her marriage

01:29:23.320 even if there's incentives she's gonna stay or the problem is either that she's actually miserable

01:29:28.680 because of the way he's treating her or there's something wrong with her correct then this would

01:29:32.840 the logical extension of this would be then that you actually believe that women are initiating most

01:29:37.640 marriages because there's nothing wrong with them but because it's men's fault no i think a lot of

01:29:43.000 women get married too soon so it's their fault i don't think women get married soon enough it's

01:29:47.960 both yeah then why if it's both then how come men aren't initiating those divorces as much as women

01:29:53.320 i mean they do as well they don't they do sometimes sometimes but why aren't they as much

01:29:59.800 as for the record wait wait wait wait pause okay it makes sense for them wait wait one second well

01:30:05.800 please wait one second women really love to romanticize love on the flip side men are very

01:30:13.080 logical thinkers and they're okay with going with the problems when there's a problem after problem

01:30:17.320 most times women are like i'm out i'm done it's because of this we love we want to get married

01:30:24.200 because we want the big wedding we want this idea of love instead of actually knowing what love is

01:30:29.960 so i think to go along someone had said that people are getting married too young i think someone said that

01:30:37.160 i think you said that lindsey oh you said that are getting married too young i i think i have a lot of

01:30:42.680 friends that are married and in my opinion i think they are too young but i think that because i i see

01:30:50.040 all these people that get married young and then they get divorced but it's because they haven't found

01:30:54.360 themselves so i think if we taught our children to learn how to be how how to be themselves and

01:31:02.440 how to actually find who they are inside we could could promote us actually getting married early

01:31:09.160 well then i wonder if that's true if you can respond to this if you think it's due to youth

01:31:14.920 why is it that from the christian frame if a person and two people marries virgins when they're young

01:31:23.320 and they're christians their likelihood divorce drastically decreases i mean drastically well in my

01:31:30.040 opinion if they're i believe it's because of the this hookup culture in general when when you are

01:31:36.040 virgins to begin with you don't know really what you're missing out on is what i view it as

01:31:40.120 so once you have had sex before outside of it then you're going to want to continuously have it

01:31:47.160 i'm going to speak to this because i was a virgin on my wedding night i'm going to speak to this

01:31:51.000 and i got married young i don't think me not experiencing other men is the thing i feel like

01:31:58.600 i was able to connect with my husband on such an intense level because we weren't physical with each

01:32:04.200 other and we got to know each other you know emotionally deeply that's what you two were

01:32:09.240 talking about earlier um but i also think i wish that people got married younger not necessarily

01:32:17.240 sooner like don't you're not dating for two weeks and you get engaged but i wish people would get

01:32:21.320 married younger because you grow together whereas opposed to these people that are getting older or

01:32:26.040 getting married older you have all these separate finances yeah and like i'm not able to build i

01:32:32.120 have friends who the the wife pays the husband the mortgage every month like that's crazy yeah

01:32:38.520 that is crazy and yeah so the what the data shows is that yes if you are virgins and yes if you get

01:32:45.480 married young and you're christian yes your divorce rates drastically yes it is but i thought that your

01:32:52.200 primary thing that you wanted was to reduce divorce i do but not well if you do because they believe

01:32:58.120 that god thinks divorce is bad but because they're actually happy in their marriages they're reporting

01:33:02.280 they report their wait no no this contradicts what you just said you just said that women are leaving

01:33:06.920 their marriages because they're not happy inside of their mirror i literally made sure to steel man it

01:33:13.720 so that you would agree to it you're saying it wrong i said women are not getting married because

01:33:17.320 they don't want to be with no you no no no no no no here was the steel man i'll give it back to

01:33:21.640 you the steel man here's exactly what happened and you can replay this if you don't believe me

01:33:25.800 i said so you're saying women are initiating these divorces because the men are mistreating them or in

01:33:32.200 some way something or there's something wrong something wrong with the men and you said yes yeah

01:33:37.160 okay so if that's the case then that would still be the case even with these christians so are these

01:33:42.200 young men just way higher quality men because christian christians especially more devout christians

01:33:46.920 don't believe in divorce so but it's a very controversial they can still get divorced

01:33:50.520 community but they can still get divorced but it's not socially acceptable like you can say

01:33:55.080 that but i don't think it has anything to do with that it does my husband and i are not from

01:33:59.160 my husband and i are not you don't come from a christian community don't don't be full of

01:34:02.680 that's not a christian community it's not similar everybody's extremely orthodox they get married

01:34:09.240 very early they they stay married for a very long time they don't give a

01:34:11.880 shit about divorce not a big deal in those communities it's not a huge deal how you're talking like

01:34:16.120 you know i don't love how you're talking like you do i'm telling you in a christian community

01:34:19.320 in these christian communities in these christian communities which you're speaking on

01:34:23.800 just so that you understand they are reporting their happiness levels much higher there they have

01:34:29.240 less antidepressant use they go to therapy and therapists far less they they have far less of

01:34:35.800 these societal issues that you see stop talking until yes there are documented no there's less there's

01:34:43.320 less antidepressants prescriptions because there's less therapy because they don't believe

01:34:47.880 in therapy then why is it hang on hang on my husband and i go to therapy we are actively in

01:34:52.840 therapy how come the unaliving rates aren't higher hang on let me finish because we believe in marriage

01:34:57.080 i am not going to divorce my husband because of the fact that i don't because the bible says don't

01:35:02.600 get divorced i mean that's part of it but i feel like i want to work on my marriage and so i do go

01:35:08.440 to therapy and we do work hard on it and it's not because strictly the bible tells us not to but okay

01:35:13.560 but a lot of good things take work a lot of women especially if you're in a very religious community

01:35:18.600 where your your social points or whatever is dependent on how well you're doing in life a lot

01:35:24.440 of women don't necessarily want to divorce even if they're in a bad marriage or they're unhappy because

01:35:30.680 they don't want everybody else to say certain things or they don't want to take that step with

01:35:34.840 their life they're very would that lead to poorer outcomes it would lead to poorer well then where

01:35:39.720 can you demonstrate the poorer outcomes because all of them are reporting that the outcomes are

01:35:43.560 better not only are they getting divorced less hang on their kids are far less prone to to get into

01:35:48.040 any type of criminal activity at all their kids are far more likely to be stable in life they're far

01:35:53.160 more likely to graduate from high school they're far more likely to do all of these things and on top of

01:35:58.040 that because of religion and on top of that well you just got done saying it is you just literally got

01:36:02.280 done saying that's because there's all these incentives who keep them together and then

01:36:07.160 you're saying that's all because of religion when i said one thing was because of religion

01:36:10.920 yes but i no no no i just asked you wouldn't they have worse outcomes and you said yes but when we

01:36:15.960 look at the outcomes they're not just because they're religious but they don't report they're

01:36:19.640 unhappy but that's because they're not doing anything that would like how are they going to

01:36:23.640 report it please if they don't go to therapy a few researchers yeah exactly a few researchers could call

01:36:28.120 them and say are you unhappy and they would say yes that's not how it happens it is how it happens

01:36:33.240 how are how is data gathered you you do studies you take and in the study how do they gather the

01:36:39.720 data you take this how do they gather the data for the study but i'm saying in this study how do

01:36:43.800 they gather the data for the study the population question sorry the population in question here they're

01:36:49.640 literally not going to therapy they don't go they don't they don't have to yeah that's because there's

01:36:53.160 stable to their priests they do their whatever children they're saying they're stable because that's what the

01:36:56.520 The stats show, but they're not actually saying, like, they don't have any pieces.

01:36:59.400 They do.

01:37:00.160 They literally use polling data.

01:37:01.880 They use polling data.

01:37:02.580 So how do they do that?

01:37:03.140 They just called them up, and they were like, hey, are you happy?

01:37:04.520 The same way that they do for secularists.

01:37:06.140 No, that's not.

01:37:07.500 Yes, yes.

01:37:08.300 No, because for secularists, they have therapists, and they have antidepressants.

01:37:11.880 And for the religious, you have the priest, and you have the infrastructure.

01:37:15.160 Okay, so are they going to the priests?

01:37:16.360 Sometimes they talk to people who are in the church.

01:37:18.860 But just like with secularists, they'll also just call directly to the housewife.

01:37:22.360 They don't do that.

01:37:23.120 They do do that.

01:37:24.000 As part of a sample size, Pew will call people and literally ask them a series of questions

01:37:28.980 to make a determination on their answers, how many people give similar answers, to come

01:37:33.060 up with data.

01:37:33.620 Of course they do.

01:37:34.480 Okay.

01:37:35.440 Okay, then give me the alternative for how this is done.

01:37:37.800 You figure out the stats on how the doctors are prescribing antidepressants.

01:37:42.420 You figure out how many people are starting to go to therapy compared to how many were years

01:37:45.980 ago.

01:37:46.520 You do all these different stats.

01:37:47.500 Yeah, but how would you determine individually who's unhappy and who isn't?

01:37:52.160 How would you determine individually who's unhappy?

01:37:54.000 I'm not asking them like they do.

01:37:57.040 Okay.

01:37:57.580 I will say.

01:37:58.340 I don't understand where you're going with this.

01:38:00.120 My point is, is that if we look at the outcomes, you speak out of both sides of your mouth.

01:38:04.220 You say it's not because of Christianity, but it's because of Christianity.

01:38:06.680 Then when we look at the outcomes, I say the outcomes in this group, far better for everybody.

01:38:10.940 You say, but that's not because of the religion.

01:38:12.660 It's almost like not everything's black and white and there's nuance.

01:38:15.160 That's why I'm happy to get in the nuance.

01:38:17.120 Certain things might be because of Christianity and other things might not.

01:38:19.020 Well, which things do you think may not be?

01:38:20.280 I think the fact that the stats show that they're happier and the fact that they're getting

01:38:25.180 divorced less, I think that is because their society and a very, very Christian one.

01:38:30.140 I'm not talking about a very secular society where there's some Christians.

01:38:33.100 Sure.

01:38:33.380 I'm talking about a devout Christian society where everybody is practicing very devoutly.

01:38:36.940 Okay, in that sort of society, they're not.

01:38:38.940 Debore Little Dude donated $199.

01:38:42.340 Hey dog, you're 100% right on all.

01:38:46.060 But, criticism, you're talking to low IQ children focused only on emotion.

01:38:51.520 At home slash laughing will not teach them, even if their opinions are laughable.

01:38:56.660 Just my $19,900.

01:38:58.780 Remember that this audience is also full of simps and they don't like seeing women uncomfortable.

01:39:07.780 But, anyway, go ahead.

01:39:09.080 Whatever.

01:39:10.100 This community is filled with people who believe in very similar values and those values tend

01:39:15.120 to be no divorcing, no therapy, therapy is bad, no antidepressants, these things are bad.

01:39:21.480 And so, all of the other stats that people would usually be able to base off in order

01:39:26.480 to determine, is this community happy or not?

01:39:29.160 Hang on, hang on.

01:39:29.940 Wait, are you saying that the Christian community says that it's bad to be on antidepressants

01:39:36.500 and it's bad to go to therapy?

01:39:37.960 More devout Christian communities believe that from my understanding?

01:39:40.980 Maybe I'm wrong.

01:39:41.380 No, absolutely not.

01:39:42.720 That's absolutely wrong.

01:39:43.600 But, I will say that when you do accept Jesus into your life, you're, I mean, you're actually

01:39:49.200 right, just so you know, yes, it is true that they often don't have to go to therapists

01:39:53.620 because they have the infrastructure of therapy there.

01:39:56.360 They have their priests, they have their community.

01:39:58.140 They need it less.

01:39:58.980 Okay, so maybe we'll go on this.

01:39:59.280 And what ends up happening is, yes, you can make these determinations based on what these

01:40:05.340 people are self-reporting.

01:40:06.760 And you can look at their outcomes versus the rest of the population.

01:40:09.320 That's how you would do the happiness index globally.

01:40:12.560 You would look at the outcomes.

01:40:13.880 Who has the houses and who's living with food in their belly, blah, blah, blah.

01:40:17.840 You would add all that to a happiness index.

01:40:19.840 Why wouldn't you add that same type of thing when it came to outcomes for individuals?

01:40:22.980 Of course you would.

01:40:24.180 For individuals, I just like, when you're talking about individuals, it's like a little

01:40:28.180 bit hard work.

01:40:28.820 When you're talking about a community, that's different, right?

01:40:30.500 If you're talking about a Christian community versus like a regular secular community.

01:40:32.980 Yeah, but it's made up of individuals.

01:40:34.260 Yeah.

01:40:34.680 So, we're just looking for averages.

01:40:35.760 Well, when you're talking about one individual, you can't, you can't.

01:40:37.880 I'm not talking about one individual.

01:40:39.040 Exactly.

01:40:39.360 We're talking about an entire, we are talking about the community.

01:40:41.980 That's the point.

01:40:42.680 Right.

01:40:43.120 But the point is, within this community, these individuals seem very much more well-adjusted

01:40:47.280 than other individuals.

01:40:48.020 And some of that, I think, is because, first of all, Christianity.

01:40:50.520 But other things, it's also, no, but I'm saying because Christianity denounces certain

01:40:55.880 ideas like divorce and therapy and whatever.

01:40:58.700 But also, I do think that because Christianity promotes the nuclear family, which I actually

01:41:02.680 do think is a great thing.

01:41:04.040 Yeah.

01:41:04.460 That also helps a lot.

01:41:06.020 It's too bad that feminism doesn't.

01:41:07.540 That's, I don't necessarily think that's true.

01:41:09.580 I think feminism just promotes that men and women are equal.

01:41:11.920 Would you like me to read the quotes of the famous feminists who say that the nuclear

01:41:15.120 family needs to be destroyed and eradicated?

01:41:17.420 I think there are new feminists that have taken it too far, and I would disagree with

01:41:19.480 them.

01:41:19.780 But just because I'm a feminist doesn't mean I have to agree with every feminist take.

01:41:23.360 Yeah, but in order to achieve egalitarianism, you'd have to remove the nuclear family because

01:41:27.140 the nuclear family requires patriarchy.

01:41:29.420 No, it doesn't.

01:41:29.980 It does.

01:41:30.560 No, it doesn't.

01:41:31.240 Okay.

01:41:31.700 So the nuclear family does not require a mom who stays at home and a father who works.

01:41:35.300 Even if it does, that's not patriarchy.

01:41:36.900 Then what is it?

01:41:38.060 They can still treat each other with respect.

01:41:40.020 Respect has nothing to do with patriarchy.

01:41:41.920 If you were in charge of a family-

01:41:44.040 What do you consider patriarchy to be?

01:41:45.660 All it means is home of the father.

01:41:47.320 It just means a society run by men.

01:41:49.480 Yeah, patriarchy means a society run by men.

01:41:51.360 It doesn't mean your house can't be, a man can't be a head of a household.

01:41:55.500 Yeah, he can.

01:41:56.240 Then it would be a patriarchal household.

01:41:57.920 No, it wouldn't.

01:41:58.760 Then who runs it?

01:41:59.780 They can, the man can be-

01:42:00.880 How can a man be a head of a household but not run it?

01:42:02.740 Because he's making all the money, but that doesn't mean he has to not take any word

01:42:05.480 from his wife and just do whatever the hell he wants.

01:42:06.740 I'm pretty sure you're supposed to just leave the family close to the gods.

01:42:08.760 You're supposed to be the man of a-

01:42:09.860 Wait, wait, wait.

01:42:10.460 I'm so confused.

01:42:11.680 Is he in charge of the household?

01:42:13.420 No, they're both in charge.

01:42:14.540 Oh, they're both in charge.

01:42:16.100 Okay.

01:42:16.460 So then inside of the-

01:42:17.860 But he has more say over certain things and she has more say over certain things, right?

01:42:21.300 They're both in charge.

01:42:22.580 She has more say, for example, over the children.

01:42:24.520 What should the children do?

01:42:25.420 Should the children do this?

01:42:26.300 Should the children do this?

01:42:26.520 He has more say over the money because he's making the money.

01:42:30.160 If you think that the nuclear family is the backbone of society, okay, do you think that?

01:42:35.820 I would say having two parents' presence is the backbone of society.

01:42:39.020 I wouldn't necessarily say one has to stay home.

01:42:41.400 I would think that it's better.

01:42:42.800 Well, it's optimal, right?

01:42:43.580 Yeah, definitely.

01:42:44.380 Okay, so I mean, if you're going off of what's optimal, if we look at the society in which

01:42:48.380 the nuclear family was most present, definitely the men were in charge of those households.

01:42:53.320 I don't think it has to be that way.

01:42:54.440 Okay, maybe not, but they definitely were.

01:42:56.280 Okay, but it doesn't have to be that way.

01:42:57.300 Okay, but even if not, can you acknowledge that they were?

01:43:00.080 Yeah, for sure.

01:43:00.540 And that that worked great.

01:43:01.440 That was how history was.

01:43:02.460 And that that worked fine.

01:43:03.300 I disagree.

01:43:04.060 That didn't work fine.

01:43:05.000 So then you don't really believe that the nuclear family, you just want what you want

01:43:08.760 is some kind of bizarre equality family.

01:43:10.860 No, I agree in a nuclear, I believe in a nuclear family.

01:43:13.400 However, it only works if the parents who are leading the family are both-

01:43:17.920 You mean the father.

01:43:18.960 No, the parents.

01:43:19.880 No, the father.

01:43:20.620 Whatever.

01:43:20.900 Are both well-adapted, adjusted individuals who are emotionally mature and respect each other equally.

01:43:26.540 If that's not happening, then your nuclear household is going to be a toxic household

01:43:29.880 where both the parents are just fighting all the time and the children leave.

01:43:32.240 You keep on conflating this idea of leadership and respect.

01:43:36.860 This is very strange.

01:43:37.700 So when you say respect each other equally, right, what do you mean by that?

01:43:43.300 I mean, respect should be going both ways.

01:43:45.540 Yeah, I get that.

01:43:46.120 But I'm not sure what you mean by equally.

01:43:48.740 Like how you expect her to respect you, you should be respecting her.

01:43:53.020 Like, for instance, let me give you just a quick, easy example.

01:43:55.560 Okay.

01:43:55.980 Say a man gets home from working and he walks in and his wife has leaned over a stove

01:44:00.520 and he gives her a nice open palm smack to the ass, right?

01:44:04.320 And she goes, don't do that.

01:44:06.440 And he goes, eh, shut up.

01:44:07.660 Then he goes and he sits down and he drinks his beer and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

01:44:12.200 Next day she comes in, she does the same thing to him, right?

01:44:15.140 And he goes, don't ever do that again, right?

01:44:18.200 Is that the kind of equality you're talking about?

01:44:20.920 I think in your scenario, if the husband properly respected his wife, if she said don't do that again,

01:44:26.940 he'd say, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to bother you.

01:44:28.580 And then she wouldn't do that, right?

01:44:29.760 Okay, so then if they have a financial dispute and he says, I want the money to go here,

01:44:34.740 and she says, no, I want it to go here.

01:44:36.400 He's making the money, so I think he should probably have the say.

01:44:39.680 If they have a child dispute, I want my child to go to this school.

01:44:42.540 You want your child to go to this school.

01:44:43.960 Got it.

01:44:44.300 So she takes over the children and where they go to school and he makes the financial decisions.

01:44:49.680 Yeah.

01:44:50.120 I mean, they could probably make those decisions together, to be honest.

01:44:52.520 So she gets an inheritance from her mother of $100,000.

01:44:55.340 Does he get to decide where that goes?

01:44:56.820 No, that's her money.

01:44:57.520 No, that's her money, right?

01:44:59.380 He is making the money.

01:45:00.400 That's why he has to say.

01:45:01.140 She's raising the kids.

01:45:02.100 That's why she has to say.

01:45:02.880 That's her money.

01:45:03.560 Why isn't it his money?

01:45:05.960 Why isn't the money that he's making her money?

01:45:08.380 It is.

01:45:08.820 It absolutely is.

01:45:09.060 It absolutely is.

01:45:09.720 He's literally taking care of the entire family with it.

01:45:12.160 Okay, then why doesn't she get a say over it?

01:45:14.420 What do you mean?

01:45:16.480 First of all, he can go to his wife and you can say to your wife,

01:45:21.080 or she can come to you with these various issues.

01:45:24.820 If you're with somebody and you're talking to somebody and you genuinely respect them,

01:45:28.500 if they get $100,000 from their parent, you're not going to want that money.

01:45:31.900 And if they respect you, they're going to want to share it with you regardless, right?

01:45:34.860 What if you do want the money?

01:45:37.240 I mean, if you want the money more than you care about them as a person,

01:45:39.380 then you just need to work on yourself.

01:45:40.340 Well, I don't understand.

01:45:41.160 If you want to keep the money more than you care about your spouse as a person.

01:45:44.160 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:45:45.080 Respect needs to go both ways.

01:45:46.360 They shouldn't expect to get the money, and the other person should share it.

01:45:48.820 But nobody's saying that the respect doesn't go both ways,

01:45:50.420 but what we're trying to get to is if there's a dispute in the household,

01:45:53.420 there's only two people.

01:45:54.880 One has to make the ultimate decision.

01:45:56.680 Yes, but if two people are working as a team,

01:46:00.140 it's not necessarily so spiteful, right?

01:46:02.660 There doesn't have to be...

01:46:03.220 I'm not saying it's spiteful nor adversarial.

01:46:05.460 I'm saying someone has to make the ultimate decision which one.

01:46:07.360 So why can't they make it together?

01:46:09.240 Because they fundamentally disagree on something.

01:46:11.560 Okay, so give me an example of what they fundamentally disagree on.

01:46:13.340 Here's a great example.

01:46:15.140 So a husband says,

01:46:17.380 I want the kid to go to a Christian school.

01:46:21.020 It's 20 minutes further, okay?

01:46:22.680 And she says, you know, in the morning,

01:46:24.360 I don't want to drive the extra 20 minutes.

01:46:26.240 And he says, you know what?

01:46:27.600 It's super important to me that he goes to a Christian school.

01:46:30.120 It's part of the faith, the family.

01:46:31.960 I need you to do this.

01:46:33.040 And she says, no, I don't want to do it.

01:46:35.380 It's too much work.

01:46:36.500 Something like this, right?

01:46:38.840 Who's the tiebreaker?

01:46:40.040 I mean, that's like unreasonable.

01:46:41.880 Obviously, she's going to take the kid to school, right?

01:46:44.480 Like, if she's putting up a fight because she doesn't want to take the kid to school

01:46:47.500 because it's just too far, like, that's a little bit ridiculous.

01:46:50.300 Absolutely.

01:46:50.920 Okay, now he says, I want to take our investment savings and start a business.

01:46:55.860 And it's risky.

01:46:57.440 It's mitigated risk.

01:46:58.260 But I still want to start the business anyway so I can follow my dreams.

01:47:01.580 Does he get to do that?

01:47:04.180 Yes.

01:47:05.220 I definitely think they should make that decision together because if he fails.

01:47:08.340 But they can't agree.

01:47:08.960 Yeah, well, if he fails and he does it anyways, she's definitely.

01:47:12.560 Yeah, I know, but they can't agree.

01:47:13.020 Okay, so if they don't agree, he obviously can do it anyways.

01:47:15.480 But if he fails, you understand she's going to hold it against him.

01:47:18.120 Yeah, but I understand he can.

01:47:20.280 But what I'm asking about is should.

01:47:22.020 So what I'm saying is if, stop.

01:47:24.600 Yeah.

01:47:24.840 If a person, if they cannot agree, they can't agree in this context.

01:47:29.320 They're fighting about it.

01:47:30.600 They're worrying about it.

01:47:31.880 They can't figure it out.

01:47:33.360 Somebody has to be the decision maker.

01:47:34.920 In that case, do you defer to him?

01:47:37.340 It depends on the context is what I keep telling you.

01:47:39.040 I just gave you the context.

01:47:40.100 Right, so in that context, yes, you defer to him.

01:47:42.360 If he fails, it's on him.

01:47:44.660 You can blame him for it.

01:47:45.760 But it does affect you, right?

01:47:47.000 Of course it's going to affect you.

01:47:48.340 Okay, so I don't understand where the equality is then.

01:47:51.940 What do you mean?

01:47:52.660 We literally.

01:47:52.900 Well, if it's always just a deferrence to the man, where's the equality?

01:47:56.060 We have different examples in which we defer to different.

01:47:58.080 Yeah, I'm trying to test the logic.

01:47:58.740 Yeah.

01:47:59.440 It depends.

01:48:00.340 It's a nuanced thing, right?

01:48:01.620 A lot of these are nuanced.

01:48:02.680 You have a very basic and collective take on everything.

01:48:05.240 It's like all men are this and all women are this and this is how everything should be.

01:48:07.720 I'm not giving a collective take.

01:48:08.960 When the real world is very gray, it's nuanced, it's mixed with black and white.

01:48:12.760 It's not a very like this situation should be all the time.

01:48:14.420 So then how come when I give you nuanced takes, by giving you nuanced hypotheticals, you complain?

01:48:19.220 I didn't.

01:48:19.700 I just gave you answers to all of them.

01:48:21.060 So then back to this.

01:48:22.600 Literally, I'm so happy this was recorded.

01:48:23.980 Every single one of them I gave an answer to.

01:48:25.520 Well, this is true, but this comes to our ultimate question then.

01:48:28.320 I can't figure out then what you mean by equal.

01:48:31.940 Equal means they work together.

01:48:33.400 They respect each other equally.

01:48:34.120 Yeah, but if ultimately it just comes down to the man makes the ultimate decision.

01:48:37.520 That's not ultimately what it comes down to.

01:48:38.860 Then how come every example I give you, it does?

01:48:40.520 Because that's not what happened, right?

01:48:42.480 It is what happened, right?

01:48:43.780 It's not what happened.

01:48:44.980 Can you give me the scenario where you said the woman makes the choice in any of the hypotheticals I gave you?

01:48:49.540 Yeah, in the hypothetical where you slapped her on the ass and she said,

01:48:51.000 she didn't like it?

01:48:51.640 There you go.

01:48:52.180 She said she didn't like it.

01:48:52.680 You didn't say defer to her either.

01:48:54.600 I said you should listen.

01:48:56.700 She didn't like it.

01:48:57.460 She said don't do that again.

01:48:57.760 Yeah, you said you should listen, but not the deference.

01:48:59.560 What I'm asking is who makes the ultimate decision?

01:49:02.000 What was the decision then?

01:49:03.760 Is it the man or is it the woman?

01:49:05.140 Every example I give you seems to defer to the man.

01:49:07.440 It depends on the context.

01:49:10.180 Yeah.

01:49:10.720 What should my child wear?

01:49:11.380 Give me the context where the woman should.

01:49:13.560 What should my child wear to school today?

01:49:14.540 Should we put him in the red shirt or the blue shirt?

01:49:16.840 Oh, I don't know.

01:49:17.540 The wife will make that decision.

01:49:18.960 What should we eat for dinner today?

01:49:20.340 Should it be pizza or should it be lasagna or should it be?

01:49:22.760 I don't know.

01:49:23.100 My wife will make that decision.

01:49:24.640 What should, what should, should the house be done in this way or should whatever?

01:49:28.060 I don't know.

01:49:28.600 Let us assume for a moment that he, he tells her, no, we're not having lasagna tonight.

01:49:33.540 He deferred to deplorable.

01:49:36.220 Donated $199, not a simp, but prefer progress over the unintelligible cackling status quo.

01:49:44.620 Anyway, panel question.

01:49:46.120 If a family loses their home, does that look worse on the man or woman?

01:49:50.420 Maybe reason for hierarchy?

01:49:54.380 If a family loses their home, does that look, loses their home?

01:50:01.160 I guess he's saying like, if a man loses their home, is it the man's fault?

01:50:05.660 He's trying to establish that the man is the head of the household because if they lose

01:50:09.260 their home, people are going to say that's the man's fault.

01:50:11.780 They're not going to say, oh, the wife failed the family.

01:50:13.580 They're going to say the man failed the family.

01:50:14.360 But if she's very nuanced and situational.

01:50:16.260 If she's drunk on a Tuesday and she lights the house on fire, probably her fault.

01:50:19.940 Yeah, definitely her fault.

01:50:21.400 Probably her fault.

01:50:22.240 We can all agree there.

01:50:23.280 We were having, to the viewers, apparently this was YouTube-wide, there was some weird

01:50:30.440 viewership glitch.

01:50:31.900 Our viewer count was up at like 10,000, almost 10,000.

01:50:35.180 And then it dropped to like 200.

01:50:36.940 It happened a little earlier on in the stream.

01:50:38.800 Now it looks like it's recovering.

01:50:40.060 There was also some weird chat issue going on where people couldn't send messages in the

01:50:45.540 chat.

01:50:46.160 I was freaking out.

01:50:47.360 My YouTube channel wasn't loading.

01:50:48.740 I was like, oh, fuck, did we get banned during the live stream?

01:50:50.860 I think everything is okay now, but it did dip, went back up, and dipped again.

01:50:56.580 I'm hoping it's fully fixed now.

01:50:59.860 Unfortunately, I think we lost a lot of organic viewers in the process.

01:51:04.820 So I think it's all fixed.

01:51:07.820 Anyway, I just want to finish this exchange real quick.

01:51:10.000 Yeah.

01:51:10.320 So I'm trying to figure out in context when the man inside of the nuclear family has a

01:51:16.660 fundamental disagreement when you think he should defer to the woman.

01:51:21.440 And if he doesn't defer to the woman, right, is it worth breaking up the household over

01:51:27.400 the fact that he won't defer?

01:51:29.660 So you're asking me what exactly scenarios he should defer to the woman?

01:51:33.000 No, I'm asking you inside of the scenarios where whatever they are that you believe he

01:51:37.260 should.

01:51:37.600 Okay.

01:51:37.840 Because you're like, they've got to be equal, right?

01:51:40.420 The lasagna is her responsibility.

01:51:42.280 He needs to shut his mouth, right?

01:51:43.900 Yes.

01:51:44.340 On that lasagna.

01:51:45.500 But he doesn't want lasagna.

01:51:46.840 He doesn't want lasagna.

01:51:48.540 He's more of a spaghetti and meatballs.

01:51:49.980 Hang on, hang on.

01:51:50.740 He's more of a spaghetti and meatballs guy.

01:51:52.500 More of a spaghetti and meatballs guy.

01:51:54.260 He's like, no.

01:51:55.260 Okay, she wants the lasagna.

01:51:56.380 No.

01:51:56.980 But she wants the lasagna.

01:51:57.440 Yeah, I know.

01:51:57.940 But he says no.

01:51:58.940 And she's cooking the lasagna.

01:52:00.540 Yeah, I know.

01:52:01.040 No, she's not cooking both.

01:52:01.780 She's cooking lasagna.

01:52:02.700 He walks in and he says, well, then fine.

01:52:04.880 No grocery money for the fucking lasagna.

01:52:07.780 Okay, what are we doing?

01:52:08.960 Are we trying to hold things against each other?

01:52:10.860 All I'm trying to figure out, I'm trying to figure out ultimately, right?

01:52:15.080 A relationship doesn't work when you're trying to be like, you do this and you do this and

01:52:20.200 I'll do this.

01:52:20.760 Like, that's not how it works.

01:52:21.500 Yeah, I agree.

01:52:22.380 I'm not disputing this.

01:52:24.180 It shouldn't be.

01:52:24.620 But what I am saying is that if you come down to a tiebreaker, you have to have somebody

01:52:30.760 who is the decision maker.

01:52:32.280 It depends.

01:52:32.860 If it's the woman cooking the meal and she wants lasagna, she should be the one who's

01:52:36.820 making the decision.

01:52:37.600 If he's making the money and he decides he wants to go gamble his money away and risk

01:52:41.500 it on a business and whatever, he's the one making the money.

01:52:44.520 I think the man has the ultimate say, personally, when it comes down to a tiebreaker.

01:52:48.280 So you think if she wants to make lasagna for dinner and he wants spaghetti, she should

01:52:52.320 make spaghetti?

01:52:52.700 Yeah.

01:52:53.080 Absolutely.

01:52:54.160 Did he work all day and she was at home?

01:52:56.760 But why shouldn't she make what he wants?

01:52:59.440 Also, on a case-by-case basis, a good man is not going to come home and see that his

01:53:03.160 wife has slaved away making lasagna and say, throw it away and make me...

01:53:06.600 Oh, absolutely.

01:53:07.700 A good respect I am probably wouldn't do that.

01:53:09.900 That's not what we're saying, though.

01:53:11.240 We're not saying that.

01:53:12.120 What we're saying is, ultimately, all I'm asking, all I'm trying to get at is that inside

01:53:17.480 of a relationship, you do, especially inside of a marriage, there are going to be problems

01:53:22.540 that come up where there's going to be perhaps irreconcilable differences on decision making.

01:53:28.380 It doesn't mean that a person can't consult you or you can't consult them or this type

01:53:31.840 of thing, but somebody has to make the ultimate choice between the two of you.

01:53:36.440 Right.

01:53:36.820 I just...

01:53:37.260 Don't you think that that should be the man if it's a nuclear family dynamic?

01:53:41.220 No.

01:53:41.660 I think it still depends on the context.

01:53:44.000 Okay.

01:53:44.500 But like they said, ideally, if you're marrying a man anyways who's going to be respectful

01:53:49.080 to you, then it doesn't matter, right?

01:53:50.480 Like, if you can treat him however he wants to be treated and he'll give you the energy

01:53:54.880 back because he loves you, too, right?

01:53:57.000 And then you'll get everything you need because you're being a good husband and wife, I mean,

01:54:01.460 whatever, and she's being a good wife, right?

01:54:03.140 But if he's being toxic and he still wants her to submit, then I have a problem.

01:54:09.400 Yeah, but that's a subjective metric for toxicity, right?

01:54:13.720 So like the things that you would consider toxic would be basically anything that you

01:54:18.500 just don't like.

01:54:19.640 Not true.

01:54:20.620 What do you think is toxic if controlling behavior would be toxic?

01:54:23.880 What do you think what?

01:54:25.060 Controlling behavior would be toxic.

01:54:26.660 Yeah, but controlling how?

01:54:27.600 Like what's an example of controlling?

01:54:29.540 Like you tell your wife to make spaghetti when she wants to make...

01:54:33.000 Why would that be controlling?

01:54:34.140 It's just a matter of your preference, right?

01:54:35.480 Yeah, but if she always makes you, I mean, makes dinner, let's say, every single day,

01:54:40.660 right?

01:54:40.940 And then she wants to make lasagna one day because she's really craving lasagna, and

01:54:44.560 you're like, no, you're going to make dinner.

01:54:45.760 It's like, what is she?

01:54:46.800 Does she just exist to make you?

01:54:47.840 So where do we delineate between preference and control in this sense, right?

01:54:51.760 If your husband doesn't want you to go fuck another guy, is he being controlling?

01:54:55.100 No, that would make sense.

01:54:56.220 Okay, that would be an enforcement of preference, right?

01:54:58.040 Yes.

01:54:58.340 So where do we draw that line?

01:54:59.960 It depends on whether you're being...

01:55:01.480 It's subjective, right?

01:55:02.320 No, not really.

01:55:02.800 I think God draws the line.

01:55:04.060 No, the line is based on where...

01:55:07.620 Like, your behavior, right?

01:55:08.600 If a woman is being very, very promiscuous out and about, and then a man, her husband

01:55:13.360 says, don't do that, that's fair.

01:55:15.440 I don't think he's being insecure.

01:55:16.160 Wait, can I give you an example?

01:55:16.780 Yeah, but you're not telling me where that line is between where it becomes controlling

01:55:20.940 and where it's no longer controlling.

01:55:24.140 The part where it's controlling is when you're telling her to do something that no longer

01:55:27.480 impacts you as a person, but you're...

01:55:29.440 Your spaghetti impacts you.

01:55:30.900 That doesn't really impact you.

01:55:31.980 It does really impact you.

01:55:33.300 Well, hang on.

01:55:34.020 Let me say this.

01:55:34.780 Let me say this.

01:55:35.300 That's my whole point.

01:55:36.360 It does.

01:55:36.580 It doesn't really impact you.

01:55:37.260 But hang on.

01:55:37.780 But it does.

01:55:38.160 But this is a point.

01:55:39.220 I mean, like, it impacts you emotionally.

01:55:41.080 Like, it gives you some trauma or something.

01:55:41.360 If we're going from the limited amount...

01:55:43.960 Well, that makes no sense, though.

01:55:45.780 That's because we're engaged in karma.

01:55:47.140 We got hours of this.

01:55:48.500 Relax.

01:55:48.940 We'll get over there.

01:55:49.260 Well, I know.

01:55:49.560 We're all about to leave, though.

01:55:50.720 Like, none of us are feeling it.

01:55:52.220 Oh, God.

01:55:53.140 Fine.

01:55:53.680 We'll move it on.

01:55:54.560 Sorry.

01:55:55.020 Please, and thank you.

01:55:56.120 Thank you.

01:55:56.200 You guys just don't agree.

01:56:00.820 We've got that.

01:56:01.660 Okay?

01:56:01.980 And it is what it is at that point.

01:56:03.740 Yeah, I don't think anyone's going to be changing many of their opinions, so we can just say our opinions and move on.

01:56:08.140 It's not for you guys to change your guys' opinions.

01:56:11.000 We have Scott here.

01:56:12.300 Girl with the glasses.

01:56:13.120 You think men and women should be equal within marriage?

01:56:15.620 Then sign a prenup before marriage.

01:56:17.780 Signing a prenup shows that what's yours is yours and his is his.

01:56:20.980 I bet you won't.

01:56:22.660 Oh, you bet wrong.

01:56:23.680 Well, also, just heads up.

01:56:25.680 Lost for money.

01:56:26.660 Heads up to all the men who are perhaps being convinced into a marriage when it comes to a prenup.

01:56:33.560 I'd highly encourage you to, one, research the laws in your state, in your country, and also I'd encourage you to consult with an attorney because even if there's a prenup, prenups get challenged.

01:56:47.040 They get thrown out.

01:56:47.960 But also, that which, my understanding, even with a prenup, if I have my understanding of the law correct, it can only really address, in terms of the money that's going to be coming in, it can only address your pre-marriage money.

01:57:08.420 Once you get married, it's all community property from there on out.

01:57:12.820 I think that's my understanding.

01:57:14.000 So, if you get married and then you go on to make a fuck ton of money, the money that you made in the course of the marriage will, I don't think it's subject to the prenup.

01:57:24.220 That's my understanding.

01:57:25.260 You may want to consult with an attorney on that.

01:57:27.420 We do have, let's see what we have here.

01:57:29.500 Let's get into some of the pre-show notes here.

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01:57:54.520 So, we're going to get into some of the pre-show notes here.

01:57:56.740 And there's quite a lot.

01:57:57.680 So, I want to try to get through it fairly quickly.

01:57:59.540 The first thing I have to do, we missed two Super Chats previous show.

01:58:02.520 I'm going to do them now.

01:58:03.480 This is a question from Ian.

01:58:05.360 He says, to the ladies, all things being equal, if a guy makes $160,000 a year, great personality, personable, but is vegan, would you consider it a red flag?

01:58:16.680 What is being vegan?

01:58:18.380 How do they spend time to ask that?

01:58:21.440 Hey, yo, Marcus.

01:58:23.300 Thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.

01:58:25.060 So, I guess, is being vegan a red flag?

01:58:28.340 Would you date somebody as a vegan?

01:58:30.420 Yeah, I totally would.

01:58:31.640 The tree hug.

01:58:32.860 It's not a red flag, but I would date someone as vegan.

01:58:35.780 It's not a red flag, but it'd probably be a little annoying.

01:58:38.720 I'd say it's a red flag.

01:58:39.980 Men need to eat meat and work out and be strong.

01:58:42.900 Fair.

01:58:44.360 I would say it's not a red flag.

01:58:46.360 I mean, like, do what you want.

01:58:47.760 If you have to eat a specific way, that doesn't define who you are.

01:58:53.960 That's a red flag.

01:58:54.900 Going back to the lasagna conversation, if I'm going to be the one cooking the meals and I'm going to have to now go vegan,

01:59:00.840 no, that's a red flag.

01:59:02.280 And I like what Lindsay said.

01:59:03.140 They're definitely providers and protectors and they need to be fueling their body.

01:59:06.780 I don't need, like, a soy boy, you know?

01:59:10.300 I don't think it's a red flag.

01:59:12.180 I mean, it will be absolutely annoying and that sucks.

01:59:16.360 But ultimately, I mean, there's way worse red flags.

01:59:20.060 And then another Miss Soup chat we had here from Kyle Kelsey.

01:59:22.900 He wanted to resubmit as the following question.

01:59:25.660 Would you date a blue-collar man like a truck driver?

01:59:30.700 I don't think so.

01:59:32.340 Why not?

01:59:33.100 She only dates trees.

01:59:36.320 I'm more into, like, artists and stuff like that.

01:59:39.260 So for me, personally, I don't think that I would want someone like that.

01:59:45.040 Yeah, if he's a good man.

01:59:46.940 Or woman, whatever your orientation.

01:59:49.680 Blue-collar woman.

01:59:50.380 If he's nice and cute, yeah.

01:59:52.580 Okay.

01:59:53.340 Yes.

01:59:54.440 I mean, yes, it depends.

01:59:56.440 But, yeah.

01:59:57.440 Absolutely, hands down.

01:59:58.560 As long as he's hardworking and provides for my family, absolutely.

02:00:02.680 Yeah, I would agree.

02:00:04.060 It'd be a yes.

02:00:04.940 Just depends.

02:00:05.820 Yeah.

02:00:06.900 All right.

02:00:07.880 It's a hard job.

02:00:09.680 Let's see.

02:00:10.540 Where are we going to start here with the pre-show notes?

02:00:13.680 Why don't we start with our good friend Alien or Gertrude?

02:00:17.420 So, oh, also, I should have done this during the intro.

02:00:22.620 You have a tongue split?

02:00:24.980 Yeah, I have my tongue split.

02:00:27.280 Did you want to see it?

02:00:28.260 Yes.

02:00:28.900 Yeah, you can show us.

02:00:30.740 Oh, my goodness.

02:00:31.700 Damn, that's crazy.

02:00:32.300 Sounds painful.

02:00:32.880 Crazy.

02:00:33.540 Muscles still work.

02:00:34.880 Yeah.

02:00:35.360 I got it done during Christmas.

02:00:37.960 Ew.

02:00:38.920 Oh, okay.

02:00:39.420 Deplorable dude donated $199.

02:00:44.120 Brian, you are right about the prenup.

02:00:46.900 X.

02:00:47.660 If you get prenup, then start a successful IT company post-nup, then get cheated on and

02:00:53.500 divorce with no kids, you can still get screwed.

02:00:56.980 Ask me how I know.

02:00:58.480 Oh.

02:00:59.400 He's like 600 bucks a day.

02:01:00.880 He's not that normal.

02:01:01.620 Deplorable dude.

02:01:02.560 Deplorable dude.

02:01:03.480 This guy's.

02:01:04.000 How do you know?

02:01:06.000 Did you have a prenup?

02:01:08.200 Did you start a successful IT company?

02:01:10.580 Did you get divorced?

02:01:11.660 Did she initiate the divorce?

02:01:13.360 Was there, you know, what was the reason?

02:01:16.360 Yeah.

02:01:17.020 Let us know for $200 more.

02:01:19.520 Now, I will say, this actually, you know, you could just avoid the situation entirely.

02:01:26.680 This is where me and Andrew disagree a bit.

02:01:28.540 But you could just not get married and avoid the entire dilemma.

02:01:34.920 But.

02:01:35.000 You don't believe in marriage?

02:01:36.280 Nope.

02:01:37.140 What the heck?

02:01:37.880 Well, hold on.

02:01:38.720 The feminist disagrees with me on this.

02:01:41.440 This is a bit confusing.

02:01:42.400 I mean, I like marriage.

02:01:43.360 Yeah.

02:01:43.520 I want to have a family.

02:01:45.220 What does that mean?

02:01:46.980 Why do you want to be married?

02:01:48.180 Well, hold on.

02:01:49.180 I'm just curious.

02:01:50.200 I'm like, it's genuine.

02:01:51.180 I'm not trying to be like.

02:01:51.780 I want to build a family.

02:01:52.560 Well, hold on.

02:01:52.980 So, you're not religious, right?

02:01:54.760 Do you think you only can be married to build a family then?

02:01:58.020 No, but I'd rather be married to my husband.

02:01:59.660 But why?

02:02:00.480 Yeah.

02:02:00.900 Because I want.

02:02:02.320 I want.

02:02:02.500 Me and Ivory are a team right now.

02:02:03.640 Yeah.

02:02:04.000 I want to be like.

02:02:05.060 It doesn't make sense to me.

02:02:05.540 I just want it to be like a family.

02:02:07.060 I don't know.

02:02:07.400 Like, it's not really a family.

02:02:08.080 Well, hold on.

02:02:08.440 But it can still be a family.

02:02:10.040 What's the difference?

02:02:12.380 I mean, I guess I.

02:02:13.460 Like, you don't necessarily have to get like married in a court, I guess, a lot.

02:02:17.860 But, I mean, in my head it's the same thing.

02:02:19.440 But you're not religious, are you?

02:02:21.260 I'm not religious, no.

02:02:22.080 So, then where would you get married?

02:02:23.360 In a church?

02:02:23.860 No, I'm saying, I'm saying like if you just don't believe in marriage as a concept, but

02:02:28.460 you want to like live together and raise kids, whatever.

02:02:30.320 Like, to me, that's the same thing.

02:02:31.620 It's, you're basically married and everything but the title.

02:02:34.580 Well, the only difference is, though, is if you do get married, one, there's going to

02:02:38.300 be perhaps an expectation to spend tons of money on a ring.

02:02:41.540 You're going to have to spend tons of money on a ceremony.

02:02:43.720 Even if you don't, there still is the ceremony.

02:02:45.760 And then there's the legal ramifications of the marriage.

02:02:48.700 So, you want a family, but you just don't want to get married.

02:02:50.900 Yeah, but, well, if you.

02:02:51.920 You haven't justified why you should get married.

02:02:54.580 What would be the point of it?

02:02:55.440 I mean, I like all of that.

02:02:56.340 I like the whole societal thing.

02:02:57.560 I like the wedding and the ring.

02:02:59.660 Yeah.

02:02:59.820 You can have a wedding without.

02:03:00.820 Who's spending the money?

02:03:02.320 The actual marriage license.

02:03:04.720 Normally, from my experience, normally it's the parents that split it.

02:03:08.760 But that's because where I'm from, people get married.

02:03:10.560 Marriage did start for religious reasons, though.

02:03:13.360 Well, okay.

02:03:14.800 So?

02:03:15.420 So, what's the, like, what do you get from marriage?

02:03:17.620 Like, I get what he's saying.

02:03:20.480 Marriage is a beautiful thing.

02:03:21.780 Yeah, I get what he's saying, too.

02:03:22.480 I just, I disagree.

02:03:23.840 I would want to get married.

02:03:25.600 I'd want to have.

02:03:26.200 That's fine.

02:03:26.880 I'd want to have that.

02:03:27.720 And I don't actually.

02:03:29.240 Is it just because of the wedding?

02:03:30.460 You just want the wedding?

02:03:31.360 No, it's just everything.

02:03:32.600 Like, I want it to be in.

02:03:34.860 Sorry.

02:03:35.440 Poster chair.

02:03:36.180 I want to have his last name.

02:03:38.100 I want it to be, like, in paper that we're a family.

02:03:40.180 She can have his last name.

02:03:41.440 Everything.

02:03:41.520 You can have all of that.

02:03:42.620 Interesting.

02:03:43.580 I mean, not legally.

02:03:44.800 Legally.

02:03:45.220 Yeah, you can.

02:03:45.720 You can have his last name.

02:03:46.240 You can just go change your name to his last name.

02:03:48.180 She did say I want everything on paper.

02:03:50.000 Yeah.

02:03:50.140 So that's legal.

02:03:51.260 You want a legal certificate of marriage.

02:03:53.940 You want to be legally bound to him.

02:03:55.840 When we file our taxes, it should be together.

02:03:57.860 You can file together.

02:03:59.540 You still can.

02:04:00.440 Yeah.

02:04:00.620 I don't know.

02:04:00.980 Yeah.

02:04:01.500 I just like the marriage thing.

02:04:02.180 You file, joint.

02:04:03.040 I don't know.

02:04:03.480 I just like the marriage thing.

02:04:04.680 I want to get married.

02:04:06.100 Why?

02:04:07.140 Because I like it.

02:04:08.240 Do you think that's superficial?

02:04:09.880 So you like love?

02:04:10.500 Usually there's some reasons.

02:04:12.520 Well, with the marriage part in particular, there's not, right?

02:04:16.120 That's just I like it.

02:04:17.160 But, like, the family part, I want to be in a family.

02:04:19.420 No.

02:04:19.680 The way you're viewing marriage, that's what I'm talking about, right?

02:04:23.480 But, okay, see you.

02:04:25.460 Deplorable dude donated $199.

02:04:29.120 I also disagree with a dog on this now due to most present-day women.

02:04:34.120 Don't worry about the $200 sleeves.

02:04:37.320 I did the good parts again.

02:04:39.380 That's not important, though.

02:04:41.060 Just trying to help the tribe.

02:04:43.940 Did I just get nicknamed sleeves?

02:04:45.640 Thank you, Deplorable dude.

02:04:47.740 You did.

02:04:48.360 Hey, thank you, man.

02:04:49.560 Appreciate it, man.

02:04:50.400 Appreciate it.

02:04:51.040 Thank you.

02:04:51.640 I don't know if we got any details there about the whole marriage situation.

02:04:55.680 I mean, I actually don't object to marriage from a religious perspective.

02:05:00.300 In fact, I really think the only scenario in which people ought to get married is if they are religious.

02:05:05.140 I don't really see the benefit, at least from the breadwinner's perspective, which typically tends to be the man.

02:05:12.540 I don't really see the benefit there given the financial risk.

02:05:15.200 I mean, look, you can still have your secular marriage, but to me, I don't see the point.

02:05:23.020 And you can certainly still have a family because you could stay with one person forever, be monogamous, have children, never split up.

02:05:32.340 But then essentially you just don't trust them because you're not going to get married.

02:05:35.480 No, perhaps you have an objection to the state being involved in your relationship.

02:05:40.480 Well, that would work both ways, too, right?

02:05:42.460 You say, I demand that you marry me because otherwise you don't trust me.

02:05:45.180 You say, I demand you don't marry me because otherwise you don't trust me.

02:05:48.780 That's actually a really good point.

02:05:50.140 That would be the same thing applied.

02:05:52.160 I guess it's just an agree to disagree thing.

02:05:53.820 Like, you can, I'm sure, find a girl who doesn't want to get married, but I will find a guy who does.

02:05:58.560 That's totally fine.

02:06:00.000 That's totally flop.

02:06:01.440 We're not taking away the preference.

02:06:02.680 We're just looking for anything that you might have had that might have been outside the preference, and it doesn't sound like there is anything.

02:06:07.940 What?

02:06:08.800 We were just looking to see if there's anything outside of it's just my preference and there's not.

02:06:12.880 Oh, no, it's just my preference.

02:06:13.620 Anyways, moving on.

02:06:14.660 Yeah.

02:06:15.600 Starting with our good friend Alien here.

02:06:19.280 Let's see.

02:06:20.020 You said that you've dated, you haven't really dated anyone since most people reject you because of your looks.

02:06:26.400 Is that, you get rejected a lot?

02:06:28.580 Yeah, I get rejected all the time.

02:06:29.560 I feel like there's guys that are kind of, there's tons of guys that got to be into it.

02:06:33.740 Oh, yeah, totally.

02:06:34.920 I have, like, my DMs are full, but for the most part, when it comes to being serious and stuff like that,

02:06:42.020 like, people have this, they can't take me home, basically, to their families.

02:06:48.700 It might be a hard pitch.

02:06:50.380 It could be a hard sell.

02:06:51.180 No, I have had people tell me that.

02:06:53.020 Have you ever thought of, like, wait, if you take those out, will they close up?

02:06:57.500 Like, you have to keep them in, like, 24-7, basically?

02:07:00.140 Yeah, basically.

02:07:00.820 Okay.

02:07:02.120 Can I ask you what prompted you to do all of that?

02:07:05.060 Oh, I just like it.

02:07:06.600 Like, I don't know.

02:07:07.760 I just, one day I got a couple piercings, and then I was like, I'm going to stop whenever I feel like they don't look good on me.

02:07:15.360 And then, here I am, I still have, I have a shit ton.

02:07:18.980 Okay.

02:07:19.460 But it sounded like earlier, when we were talking about your relationship status, you, I mean, I'm not going to talk about the tree stuff anymore,

02:07:27.640 but you said you were kind of seeing a couple people, it sounded like.

02:07:32.240 Ish, yeah.

02:07:33.040 I just got over being, like, celibate, basically.

02:07:37.160 What do you mean you just got over being celibate?

02:07:39.140 Yeah, I was celibate for a while.

02:07:40.860 How long?

02:07:42.380 Maybe two years.

02:07:43.820 Wait, hold on.

02:07:44.400 I thought you said six years.

02:07:45.300 You were celibate for two years?

02:07:47.520 Yeah.

02:07:50.360 And that, when did your celibacy end?

02:07:53.560 It kind of, like, took a break here and there, because.

02:07:56.420 Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.

02:07:57.840 You can't claim celibacy, so it's like, if you have sex, like, you can't claim two years, but in between the two years.

02:08:04.340 Can I explain?

02:08:06.080 Okay.

02:08:06.480 Because, like, the first time around, I wouldn't have done it, but then I had a sugar daddy,

02:08:11.200 and he was paying me more money for being celibate.

02:08:15.660 So, therefore, yeah.

02:08:17.040 Wait, he was paying you money to not fuck him?

02:08:19.520 It is, it's so, he gave me money to not fuck other people, basically.

02:08:26.340 But him?

02:08:27.380 Yeah, basically.

02:08:28.020 That's not celibacy.

02:08:29.080 Yeah, that's, me and her agree on that one.

02:08:30.880 No, it was, I was celibate for a whole year.

02:08:32.960 I was celibate for a whole year before he offered.

02:08:35.720 Wait, wait, hold on.

02:08:36.420 Before becoming a prostitute.

02:08:37.200 By the way, too, if a man is giving you money to only have sex with him, isn't that prostitution?

02:08:44.440 Um, I mean, it depends.

02:08:47.240 Yes!

02:08:48.540 It depends on the relationship.

02:08:50.320 Well, I mean, if I paid a woman to have sex with me, that would be prostitution, right?

02:08:57.320 It was a relationship.

02:08:58.260 It wasn't just, like, a random thing.

02:09:00.100 But it's a relationship where he was paying you not to fuck other dudes and only him?

02:09:04.760 Um, you call him sugar daddy.

02:09:07.000 Relationships don't pay you for sex.

02:09:08.600 Yeah.

02:09:08.960 That it's not.

02:09:09.580 I mean, I wasn't the one that was getting, you know, fucked all the time, so.

02:09:16.620 Wait, hang on.

02:09:17.140 Wait, what do you mean?

02:09:18.100 What?

02:09:19.040 So, like, I had, my sugar daddy was also, like, he had other sugar babies.

02:09:24.940 And then, like, my friend was his other sugar baby.

02:09:29.900 So, she would always be there.

02:09:31.140 He's the one.

02:09:31.540 And he would have sex with her, and I would just get extra money for basically being there

02:09:37.480 most of the time.

02:09:38.220 So, you became a pimp.

02:09:39.420 You went from prostitute to pimp.

02:09:40.560 Oh, no.

02:09:42.000 Like, I, like, I've done it with him a couple of times, but it's not, like, anything.

02:09:47.000 Did your friend know that you were making money if he would have sex with her?

02:09:50.120 Oh, yeah.

02:09:50.440 She knew.

02:09:51.320 And I would always tell her, like, I feel bad.

02:09:54.040 Like, I feel bad, like.

02:09:55.600 Clearly.

02:09:55.840 I'm getting, like, this amount of money.

02:09:57.060 I would hope so.

02:09:58.280 Yeah.

02:09:58.960 I was like, I, it's because he was having sex with her more.

02:10:03.460 Like.

02:10:04.180 Hang on.

02:10:04.460 You were, you were getting paid.

02:10:06.580 Yeah.

02:10:07.060 To, for your friend to have sex with your sugar daddy.

02:10:10.760 So, you were her pimp.

02:10:12.000 No.

02:10:12.280 And she wasn't getting a cut of it.

02:10:13.580 She actually invited me over to him.

02:10:16.360 So, she was your pimp.

02:10:17.240 So, you were getting paid to watch.

02:10:18.900 Yeah.

02:10:19.120 I was getting paid to go over there and just hang out.

02:10:21.600 While also being celibate.

02:10:23.180 This is crazy.

02:10:24.380 I would encourage both of you to no longer do that.

02:10:27.480 Okay.

02:10:28.080 Wait.

02:10:28.360 So, hold on.

02:10:29.240 You've also, you mentioned here, you've had wild threesome experiences.

02:10:32.940 Where you got, oh, is this the, this is what you were just talking about?

02:10:35.700 Uh, no.

02:10:36.160 You said you got two friends who saw each other as bros to participate.

02:10:39.900 Yeah.

02:10:40.760 Oh, so devil's threesome.

02:10:42.620 Yeah.

02:10:42.840 So, we were at a party at my friend's house.

02:10:45.780 And I was like, let's get fucked up.

02:10:48.120 And then, eventually, I started making out with this guy.

02:10:51.500 And then, his friend was there as well.

02:10:54.220 So, I was like, I know you guys are friends, but, and I know you want to fuck.

02:10:57.580 But, if you're not going to have a threesome with me, then I'm also not going to fuck you at all.

02:11:04.240 And he was like, begging his bro, like, let's do this, please.

02:11:08.660 Wait, the guy was begging his male friend?

02:11:11.700 So, you put that condition down?

02:11:12.900 So, they were gay?

02:11:14.100 No.

02:11:14.680 No.

02:11:14.940 So, you put the condition down, I'll only do this if your friend has sex with me?

02:11:20.000 I'll only do a threesome, like.

02:11:23.940 Is it like a whole threesome, or are you just getting it by two men?

02:11:27.340 I like Ivory cause she actually everything, but Alien was a freaky freak back in our day.

02:11:33.120 She need to sit up straight, though.

02:11:35.320 It's bothering me that she has a hunch in her back.

02:11:38.260 Is this your sugar daddy?

02:11:39.580 Hi, Alex.

02:11:40.820 Oh, that's Alex.

02:11:41.980 Yeah, that's not his own name, so.

02:11:43.760 Okay.

02:11:44.940 The sugar daddy's in the chat.

02:11:46.820 Okay.

02:11:47.600 Interesting.

02:11:48.000 That's funny.

02:11:48.860 We have, uh, does he have, like, all the weird shit all over him, too?

02:11:52.480 Oh, no.

02:11:52.940 He's playing.

02:11:53.400 Oh, boy.

02:11:54.120 He's what?

02:11:54.800 He's a plain guy.

02:11:56.980 Plain guy.

02:11:57.320 Plain?

02:11:57.880 Yeah.

02:11:58.080 Plain.

02:11:58.480 Wait, like, of the guys that you fuck, like, are they, like, their race, like, typically

02:12:02.860 white guys?

02:12:03.900 Uh, yeah, for the most part.

02:12:05.120 I kind of got that.

02:12:06.040 I don't know why I just had this intuition that it's like, like, is it kind of like nerdy

02:12:10.160 white dudes?

02:12:11.440 Uh, no.

02:12:12.460 It's, it's not because of, like, that's who comes to me.

02:12:17.100 It's more so the people that I reject, and that's, they end up being the most that, like,

02:12:22.480 are respectable to me.

02:12:24.360 Sorry.

02:12:24.920 Okay.

02:12:25.080 You also said that you, you've driven 12 hours to go see a man because you're scared of planes?

02:12:30.420 Yeah, so there was this guy that I was, like, in love with at one point.

02:12:33.960 I drove, like, 10, like, no, not even 10.

02:12:37.320 It was, like, 15 hours and spent, like, $10,000 to go see this man just for him to, like, be

02:12:44.500 texting other bitches in my Airbnb.

02:12:47.780 And then him getting mad at me for talking about, well, talking to another guy when I

02:12:52.760 found out that he was actually talking to one of those.

02:12:54.660 You also had the story of you kind of wrecking a marriage?

02:12:57.440 What happened there?

02:12:58.120 Oh, um, yeah, I was kind of text, like, texting a guy, and his wife ended up hitting

02:13:05.840 me up one day and was like, you're a fucking whore?

02:13:09.160 You knew he was married?

02:13:11.320 Yeah, but it wasn't like we were flirting or whatever.

02:13:14.960 What were you, hang on, no, no, no, there's, like, no excuse to be with another man's, another

02:13:20.320 woman's husband.

02:13:21.980 But what were you texting about then?

02:13:23.880 Huh?

02:13:24.120 What were you, what, what was there to discuss, and how did you meet him?

02:13:27.320 There's, like, so many aspects there.

02:13:29.040 I met him at his place of work, and he does a lot of traveling for work, so there was at

02:13:34.620 a point where he had posted on Instagram, like, hey, I need help, blah, blah, blah.

02:13:39.580 And I went and picked him up from the airport, and that was all that happened.

02:13:44.680 So she got mad about that and came and attacked me and the other girl.

02:13:50.260 So you broke up a marriage, but you didn't actually do anything?

02:13:54.760 Yeah, I didn't do anything.

02:13:55.760 You picked him up from the airport, that's it?

02:13:57.060 But I also know that I was a part of...

02:13:59.260 But another girl, he was cheating, and another girl had.

02:14:01.700 Yeah.

02:14:02.040 He was with another girl.

02:14:03.020 Yeah, it wasn't me, so.

02:14:03.860 Okay, I'm a worker.

02:14:04.660 Okay.

02:14:04.780 You also said you wanted to talk about, as far as dating topics, how to manipulate a

02:14:09.420 man.

02:14:09.520 Oh my God, no, please.

02:14:11.140 I do not mean it like that.

02:14:12.780 That's what you said.

02:14:13.440 That's what you said.

02:14:14.640 In your show notes, you said you want to talk about how to manipulate a man.

02:14:17.260 Forget that I said that.

02:14:18.480 Well, we can't forget.

02:14:20.040 It's the truth.

02:14:20.680 Erase your memory.

02:14:21.600 I can't do that.

02:14:23.080 It's here now.

02:14:23.600 Let's discuss.

02:14:24.300 We got to, you know, stick to the truth here.

02:14:26.420 The less you want to talk about it, the more they want to.

02:14:27.480 Stick to the truth.

02:14:28.700 I don't know.

02:14:30.280 I don't think I'm personally manipulative.

02:14:32.980 I know that I can do certain things, you know what I mean?

02:14:36.380 Stop the cat.

02:14:38.560 I know, like, I got one guy to fall in love with me just because I started giving him a

02:14:43.640 bunch of, like, love letters, just because I wanted to see if I could do it.

02:14:46.980 But that's, like...

02:14:48.120 I'd say that's manipulative.

02:14:49.600 Have you ever had a relationship where you were emotionally invested in someone?

02:14:54.180 Yeah.

02:14:54.720 Yeah.

02:14:55.380 The guy, the situationship that I was just talking about, I spent, like, $10,000 on him.

02:15:01.400 Drove, like, at least five, six, seven times, 15 hours just to go and see him.

02:15:08.780 Um, I knew him basically since...

02:15:13.420 I don't want to say a kid.

02:15:14.880 I was a minor.

02:15:16.040 But, like, he didn't know of me.

02:15:19.700 Was he a minor?

02:15:21.060 It's because of his, like, place of work.

02:15:24.540 But...

02:15:25.020 What kind of...

02:15:26.280 What value do you think you bring to a relationship?

02:15:29.820 Me?

02:15:30.100 I think I bring everything.

02:15:32.260 What's everything?

02:15:33.020 Because...

02:15:33.460 I'm not asking and attacking.

02:15:34.780 I want to know, you seem like you're just giving it away for nothing, and I feel like

02:15:39.540 you need to have more value.

02:15:41.140 Yeah.

02:15:41.800 In yourself.

02:15:42.220 No, and I understand that.

02:15:43.440 I have actually, like...

02:15:45.600 Um...

02:15:46.640 What is it called?

02:15:47.620 I don't know.

02:15:48.000 I have, like, neurodivergent stuff that goes on in my brain.

02:15:51.800 So, I have a hard time, like, being able to distinguish, like, value from people, which

02:15:58.880 I was just actually talking to my best friend about this, because he helps me kind of gauge,

02:16:03.680 like, how people treat me.

02:16:06.860 You know what I mean?

02:16:08.140 Do you understand what I'm getting at?

02:16:09.200 Do you have a diagnosis?

02:16:11.280 Yeah.

02:16:11.700 So, they're looking for BPD right now.

02:16:14.280 Other than that, I have anxiety, depression, and...

02:16:18.800 I don't know.

02:16:19.780 You're nodding, but you don't believe in psychology.

02:16:22.580 Let's not rehash the conversation.

02:16:27.760 Actually, wait.

02:16:29.540 I do believe in psychiatry.

02:16:32.240 But that's...

02:16:33.600 Psychiatry is a bit different.

02:16:35.500 Actually, one crazy thing related to the whole therapy thing.

02:16:40.100 On YouTube shorts, BetterHelp, which is, I guess, a website for...

02:16:43.440 You can do online therapy or something.

02:16:45.160 They have bad stuff.

02:16:45.980 Uh, one of the advertisements for BetterHelp, one of the therapists on there is in the ad,

02:16:52.800 and she's like, I've been in therapy since I was six years old.

02:16:56.060 Has anybody seen that fucking ad?

02:16:57.760 No.

02:16:57.940 How can you...

02:16:59.280 Why?

02:17:00.080 Like, unless some, like, crazy shit went down.

02:17:03.280 Like, I think she was just, like, her parents were like, do therapy.

02:17:06.680 It's not clear to me if there's, like, some catastrophic trauma.

02:17:09.600 But that's crazy to just, like, throw your kid in therapy at six.

02:17:14.060 So, the reason I ask that...

02:17:14.840 I would agree.

02:17:15.360 Ideally, you just raise them well.

02:17:16.660 The reason I ask that question has nothing to do with my belief in psychology, psychiatry,

02:17:21.700 or otherwise.

02:17:22.260 The reason I ask the question is because I note that when I ask most women the question

02:17:26.760 of if they've been diagnosed with whatever the shit is that they say that they have,

02:17:30.040 they usually say no.

02:17:32.000 Got it.

02:17:32.380 Okay.

02:17:33.620 Let's see.

02:17:34.360 You also...

02:17:35.620 So, you don't want to talk about the manipulation stuff?

02:17:37.820 Yeah, I'm okay on that.

02:17:39.020 You do?

02:17:39.500 Little witchcraft?

02:17:40.700 Yeah, I do.

02:17:41.520 Little witchcraft involved in the manipulation?

02:17:43.940 Not on other people.

02:17:44.560 Little black magic casting spells over there?

02:17:46.800 Not on other people, just on my soul.

02:17:48.760 You do admit, though, you do at least admit that you do manipulate men.

02:17:54.700 In a good way, yeah.

02:17:57.180 How do you define it?

02:17:58.460 I don't know if that makes sense, but...

02:17:59.380 I feel like for everyone.

02:18:00.660 Okay.

02:18:00.880 I don't think anyone can be manipulative anymore.

02:18:02.400 All right.

02:18:03.100 You also...

02:18:04.000 You said that you...

02:18:05.420 Is that a thing?

02:18:06.040 Get someone to go work out.

02:18:07.440 I don't know.

02:18:08.340 You said that you don't agree with most of our views, most of the views on the podcast.

02:18:14.020 Are there any that you specifically wanted to discuss?

02:18:20.060 I can't think of it right now.

02:18:21.480 Off the top of the head?

02:18:23.120 Anything?

02:18:24.160 I can come back to you, but you might have to remind me because we have a lot...

02:18:27.400 I guess transgenderism?

02:18:28.780 I don't fucking know.

02:18:29.560 Okay.

02:18:30.540 Well, I'm not...

02:18:31.140 I don't really want to get too much down that one, but what's...

02:18:36.080 How do you self-ID?

02:18:37.920 Me?

02:18:38.520 I'm she, they.

02:18:39.940 Can we do pronouns really quick?

02:18:41.240 Okay.

02:18:41.560 Fuck it.

02:18:42.220 She, they.

02:18:42.960 She, her.

02:18:44.220 She, her.

02:18:45.360 Nope.

02:18:47.100 She, her.

02:18:48.060 My pronouns.

02:18:48.600 Okay.

02:18:48.900 You don't have pronouns?

02:18:49.760 I don't do pronouns.

02:18:50.980 No.

02:18:51.500 What do I refer to you as?

02:18:53.900 Well, pronouns...

02:18:54.200 Okay, fine.

02:18:55.020 You look at me and you tell me.

02:18:56.160 I, us.

02:18:56.680 I, us.

02:18:57.480 Go ahead.

02:18:57.880 That is a pronoun.

02:18:58.820 Yeah, I know.

02:18:59.660 Refer to me as I, us.

02:19:01.080 Try it.

02:19:01.540 Let's see how you do.

02:19:02.920 All right.

02:19:03.300 How are you, I?

02:19:04.220 Yeah.

02:19:04.620 Good us.

02:19:05.480 It's ridiculous.

02:19:07.020 Yeah.

02:19:07.380 So, anyway...

02:19:08.380 Wait, wait.

02:19:08.660 So, what do you...

02:19:10.540 On this topic, is it the dating-related stuff with the trans stuff?

02:19:14.700 Like, for example, do you, the question I typically ask is, do you object to a man not wanting

02:19:21.180 to date somebody who's trans?

02:19:22.720 Is that where you object or disagree?

02:19:25.120 No, I, I...

02:19:26.140 You're fine with that?

02:19:26.800 Yeah, I'm fine with that.

02:19:27.640 Okay.

02:19:28.480 Is it the sports stuff?

02:19:30.140 Yeah.

02:19:30.760 Like, trans people, trans women shouldn't be...

02:19:33.280 I'm gonna ask this, just, just ask, but what sex were you born as?

02:19:38.020 Not gender, but sex.

02:19:39.460 I'm a female.

02:19:40.340 Okay.

02:19:40.980 Okay.

02:19:41.800 All right.

02:19:42.360 Well, we're not gonna get bogged down on that one.

02:19:44.700 You said that you had a sugar daddy pull out what on you?

02:19:51.180 Yeah.

02:19:51.580 So, I had two sugar daddies at one point.

02:19:55.240 They were friends.

02:19:56.940 I went over one of my sugar daddy's houses, and I thought that they knew about the arrangement

02:20:02.220 between me and the other person.

02:20:04.360 I ended up slipping and saying some shit, and the one sugar daddy ended up pulling out

02:20:10.500 guns on me while I was sleeping.

02:20:12.360 Run me!

02:20:12.960 Run me!

02:20:13.260 Run me!

02:20:13.300 Run!

02:20:13.980 Yeah.

02:20:15.360 You said guns, plural, so you had, like, two pistols?

02:20:18.440 Oh, no, no, no.

02:20:19.280 Like, I woke up, and he, like, called me out into this room, and there was, like, a whole

02:20:23.980 table with just a plethora of guns.

02:20:25.560 Was he holding?

02:20:26.700 He picked up one, and, like, I believe he pointed it at me at one point.

02:20:31.320 It was just, like...

02:20:31.840 Okay.

02:20:31.900 You look really emotional about this.

02:20:33.200 I feel like there's a lot in your life that you, like, haven't processed, and so you're

02:20:36.380 physically wearing it.

02:20:37.640 Yeah.

02:20:38.400 Would you say that's right?

02:20:40.680 Um, I don't know what you mean.

02:20:44.820 Like, when you talk about these things, physically wearing it emotionally, and, I mean, your pierce

02:20:49.980 things that you're kind of tanking out.

02:20:50.920 You donated $200.

02:20:53.180 For Alien, what is your origin story?

02:20:56.260 What in your life has pushed you to the interest of leading that sort of lifestyle and doing

02:21:00.720 vast physically cosmetic gymnastics to yourself?

02:21:04.300 Who hurt you?

02:21:05.500 You okay?

02:21:06.000 I'm fine.

02:21:08.740 I mean, it's just...

02:21:09.420 That's what I was getting at, though.

02:21:11.020 I truly, that's what I was getting at.

02:21:12.420 Like, so you're asking me if I think that, like, I look like...

02:21:16.060 Like, I got these piercings because of the trauma that I've heard.

02:21:18.920 Yeah, instead of really dealing with the actual trauma, you're mutilating your body.

02:21:24.160 Has it occurred to you she just might like piercings?

02:21:26.900 I just think I look cool.

02:21:27.960 I think I look nice.

02:21:28.540 They don't all...

02:21:29.340 You know, that's just, like, that's what I hear all the time is that there's always an association

02:21:33.540 whenever somebody's acting like a lunatic that it's because of trauma, but it's not really

02:21:38.040 just a lot of people...

02:21:39.220 Did I say that?

02:21:39.980 Not you.

02:21:40.800 Okay.

02:21:41.120 Actually, that's directed this way.

02:21:42.040 I didn't say that.

02:21:42.780 I asked that.

02:21:43.400 I know, but what I'm saying is that it's a trend that I've noticed that people seem to think

02:21:47.860 that there's always some kind of traumatic event.

02:21:50.120 Because there often is.

02:21:52.060 Well, I don't know.

02:21:52.960 That's debatable, but I think that the kind of, like, what we would see as a loony behavior

02:21:58.600 often from people just is, look at me.

02:22:01.180 Attention.

02:22:01.700 Look at me.

02:22:02.160 Look at me.

02:22:02.560 Look at me.

02:22:02.920 And I think that the trauma thing is really just a cope.

02:22:06.400 I think that it's...

02:22:07.600 A lot of people just really want to have a lot of attention on themselves, and that's

02:22:12.340 why they'll clean their hair.

02:22:12.580 But that comes from somewhere, too, right?

02:22:14.180 I mean, maybe as a child, you didn't receive that type of attention?

02:22:17.640 Maybe, but, I mean, I don't know.

02:22:20.340 I think some people just want that attention, and they didn't have any kind of trauma.

02:22:25.740 A lot of them seem to come from houses where they have two parents, and they say that,

02:22:31.240 hey, we've had a good upbringing.

02:22:33.580 Everything was great.

02:22:34.420 And then they do all sorts of, you know, sleep tattoos or body art or things like this because

02:22:41.240 they want to see you get the attention on them.

02:22:42.760 I think it's a misperception that I see a lot that people think that it has something

02:22:46.180 to do with trauma or abuse or something like that.

02:22:50.100 And I think that that's a Hollywood angle.

02:22:51.880 I think to that extent, it seems like it, but...

02:22:55.220 Why don't you tell us, Aileen?

02:22:56.260 Normal childhood?

02:22:57.400 I just thought it was cool, yeah.

02:23:00.300 I mean, I have both of my parents and stuff like that.

02:23:03.180 Are they still married?

02:23:04.340 No, they're not.

02:23:05.520 But they basically got a divorce later.

02:23:09.460 I was like 17 or something, so it didn't really affect me.

02:23:13.300 I don't know.

02:23:14.360 Like I said, I just like the way that it looks.

02:23:16.700 I know like as a kid, the internet was like kind of like just starting and I was just

02:23:23.100 always like Googling things or whatever and just seeing like what's out there.

02:23:28.060 And I remember just seeing like people with pierced tongues or a bunch of piercings, split

02:23:33.540 tongues, rip cage, like, you know, removed and stuff like that.

02:23:37.900 And I just thought it was really cool.

02:23:39.240 I mean, Andrew, I do think that certainly some people who enter these subgroups like punk

02:23:45.220 or goth or whatever, I certainly think some of these people could be drawn to it for it

02:23:50.740 could be trauma, but I actually agree with you that probably for some people, it's just

02:23:54.720 an aesthetic thing.

02:23:55.720 They find it like it could be, oh, it's cool aesthetic or they want to.

02:23:59.660 Well, and it draws a lot of attention.

02:24:01.040 For attention too.

02:24:02.200 So we do.

02:24:03.560 That's fine.

02:24:04.340 We have a chat here from Voss.

02:24:05.840 I got so lost several moments ago.

02:24:07.360 Wait, what?

02:24:07.800 Wait, wait, what?

02:24:09.660 Oh, come on.

02:24:10.840 You don't walk down the street.

02:24:13.020 Come on.

02:24:14.100 Yeah, I don't really believe that either.

02:24:14.780 Feed me some more bullshit.

02:24:16.180 Come on.

02:24:16.520 No, I'm so dead ass.

02:24:17.480 I don't like it.

02:24:18.080 I wish nobody would ever look at all of my millions of piercings and elf ears and green

02:24:22.300 hairs.

02:24:22.560 You literally have elf ears not blended.

02:24:23.380 Come on.

02:24:24.080 Like, well, bones.

02:24:25.900 Let me explain.

02:24:26.960 Okay, I can't wait.

02:24:28.020 I use elf ears just because, like, I had a whole debate in my head about this, right?

02:24:31.900 Because for me, it's like, I want to get my ears pointed, like, surgically.

02:24:37.000 So I was wearing the elf ears just to be my authentic self.

02:24:41.760 You know what I mean?

02:24:42.560 Like, it's just something that...

02:24:43.780 So your authentic ears are actually pointing underneath the fake...

02:24:46.860 No, I wish.

02:24:47.780 Oh, then they're not authentic.

02:24:48.500 All right.

02:24:48.940 Well, which part of your authentic self is from Mirkwood?

02:24:51.560 Do you engage in witchcraft?

02:24:52.940 She said yes.

02:24:54.220 Oh, you were in the bathroom.

02:24:55.660 That's Mirkwood.

02:24:57.180 Mirkwood.

02:24:57.860 Can you...

02:24:58.360 That's like home of the elves in Lord of the Rings.

02:25:01.460 Which part of your authentic self is the elf part?

02:25:06.660 All of me, I guess.

02:25:07.720 All of it.

02:25:08.060 Yeah.

02:25:08.300 So, I mean, this is what I mean.

02:25:09.420 It's like...

02:25:10.600 But I want to look more like it.

02:25:11.860 It's really super hard for me to believe.

02:25:14.420 Super hard to believe.

02:25:15.920 Okay, sure.

02:25:16.760 Some body art, some things like that because you really like it.

02:25:19.320 But the whole thing has nothing at all to do with wanting attention.

02:25:24.060 No, not at all.

02:25:25.000 Then coming on the podcast was for...

02:25:27.920 Huh?

02:25:28.660 Because I'm cute.

02:25:29.380 Because...

02:25:30.660 So you want people to notice you at all.

02:25:31.520 Yeah, you want people to see you, right?

02:25:32.880 Guys, guys, let's not get bogged down.

02:25:35.580 I feel like maybe the thing that I...

02:25:37.540 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:25:38.340 I didn't realize we...

02:25:38.920 My bad.

02:25:40.420 What?

02:25:40.920 What?

02:25:41.500 Go ahead.

02:25:42.080 Go ahead.

02:25:42.660 I'm sorry.

02:25:43.320 I was going to say that I thought the reason that I mentioned the trauma was because of the tree thing.

02:25:47.780 That's not for attention.

02:25:48.800 That seems mentally unstable.

02:25:51.660 It seems like trolling.

02:25:53.480 It doesn't seem like trolling nonsense, you know what I mean?

02:25:55.520 I mean, I was so mad at it.

02:25:56.400 I date this tree that sometimes I walk over and kiss the bark like.

02:25:59.600 There's no way you actually date a tree.

02:26:00.860 I'm so dead at it.

02:26:01.960 Like, there's the tree at the end of my road.

02:26:04.140 I took a guy to go and see him.

02:26:06.500 And, yeah, like...

02:26:07.560 Cool.

02:26:07.600 Voss, I got so lost several moments ago.

02:26:10.620 I understood a bit on both sides earlier.

02:26:13.520 I think this podcast rocks.

02:26:14.700 Don't have much.

02:26:15.800 Spend too much.

02:26:16.540 But want to support you guys.

02:26:17.580 Hey, Voss, really appreciate your patronage, man.

02:26:19.720 Thank you so much.

02:26:20.440 Thank you for tuning in.

02:26:21.300 And, yeah, thank you for the message, man.

02:26:23.500 Really appreciate it.

02:26:24.380 Thank you.

02:26:25.220 Now, we have a few more notes here for you.

02:26:26.940 You also mentioned that you...

02:26:29.940 Hold on.

02:26:30.780 You made out with a racist?

02:26:32.440 Yeah.

02:26:33.620 Yeah, so there was this guy.

02:26:36.440 I met him through...

02:26:38.140 Not my brother-ish, but kind of.

02:26:41.280 And, yeah, like, I just hit him up one day.

02:26:44.600 I was like, do you want to hang out?

02:26:45.840 Do you want to chill?

02:26:47.000 And we went out to eat, da-da-da.

02:26:49.460 And we went outside.

02:26:50.840 We kissed.

02:26:51.340 We pecked.

02:26:51.880 And then, like, later on, I was wondering, like, if he wanted to do sexual things.

02:26:56.680 And he was like, I don't think I can make myself do it because you're black.

02:27:02.340 Yeah.

02:27:04.400 Yeah.

02:27:05.660 Good times.

02:27:06.540 I was expecting a racial, like, accusation without actual racial basis.

02:27:12.080 Yeah, me too.

02:27:12.700 Yeah.

02:27:13.060 But wait.

02:27:13.500 That's sad.

02:27:14.360 Is that racist?

02:27:15.980 Or is it just a preference that he has?

02:27:18.040 I think preferences are stupid.

02:27:19.540 I think it's based on racism, honestly.

02:27:22.320 How come?

02:27:23.100 It sounds like it's just a...

02:27:24.500 I mean, he didn't say any racial slurs or anything, right?

02:27:27.260 I mean, like, personally, if your wife was black, right, would you not, like, want to be with her anymore because she's black?

02:27:33.340 Yeah, but if you had a preference, an aesthetic preference for somebody...

02:27:36.440 I mean, I typically...

02:27:37.600 I don't have a preference.

02:27:38.440 Yeah, but you can understand that other people would.

02:27:40.200 I mean, I think it's stupid because, like...

02:27:41.720 It's like a guy saying, I don't want to sleep with you because you actually have a penis.

02:27:47.140 And you're saying that you're a woman.

02:27:48.780 Well, that's a whole different story.

02:27:49.720 No, that's the same thing.

02:27:51.140 It's not.

02:27:51.520 And then someone's like, well, you're transphobic.

02:27:52.800 It's skin color.

02:27:53.080 You're saying someone can't have a preference to someone's, like, physical features when you're dating?

02:28:00.240 I mean, like, no.

02:28:01.260 I mean, you totally can't.

02:28:02.260 Ideally, you want to be attracted to the person.

02:28:03.660 You totally can't.

02:28:03.740 But that's what I'm saying, so...

02:28:05.000 I'm just saying, like, when it comes to skin color, it's just, like, that's a weird thing for me.

02:28:09.980 You know what I mean?

02:28:10.900 But, I mean...

02:28:12.240 I just don't understand what he did that was wrong.

02:28:15.500 I mean, I won't date a guy if he has, like...

02:28:17.580 If I don't like his teeth, right?

02:28:19.320 Yeah.

02:28:19.560 But, like, I'm not going to be, like...

02:28:21.680 I'm not going to date you because you're fucking white or some shit.

02:28:24.260 No, I get it.

02:28:25.000 But I don't understand if you have that preference, right?

02:28:28.160 Why can't another person have a different preference and say, I just don't prefer it?

02:28:31.240 I mean, you totally can, but you're just racist.

02:28:33.620 Yeah.

02:28:33.960 I don't think you can call the race card.

02:28:36.240 You can't call the race card.

02:28:37.280 It could just be a difference in culture, right?

02:28:38.320 He literally told me it's because I was black.

02:28:40.800 Yeah, but I understand that.

02:28:42.900 It could be anything else.

02:28:44.200 Yeah, that is racist.

02:28:45.160 I totally understand that he said it's because you're black.

02:28:49.460 Yeah.

02:28:49.860 But that doesn't make that a racist remark.

02:28:52.020 You're saying he liked everything about you except that the fact you're black.

02:28:55.200 He told me that...

02:28:56.520 He didn't like everything about me.

02:28:57.900 He told me that, personally, I was the most prettiest black girl that he's seen, and that's it.

02:29:03.360 I hate that comment.

02:29:03.780 And so, yeah, me too.

02:29:05.700 Wait, so you guys...

02:29:06.680 Just to recap here.

02:29:07.840 It's a bad comment.

02:29:08.100 You guys were, like, hanging out individually?

02:29:11.520 Yeah.

02:29:12.200 And how far...

02:29:12.880 Like, you guys...

02:29:13.560 You didn't make out or anything, right?

02:29:15.000 No, we just pecked.

02:29:16.820 So you did...

02:29:17.660 Wait, he kissed you, but he didn't want to do more because you were...

02:29:20.420 I asked him if he wanted a kiss, and he was like, sure.

02:29:23.600 And then, eventually, I asked him if he wanted to do more because I know...

02:29:27.600 It says you made out with a racist.

02:29:29.420 Oh, did I?

02:29:30.780 That's what you said.

02:29:31.620 Oh.

02:29:31.800 Okay, you packed.

02:29:32.880 But he didn't...

02:29:33.420 You're saying he didn't want to do more because...

02:29:36.140 He didn't want to do more because of your skin color.

02:29:38.460 Yeah.

02:29:39.300 Yeah.

02:29:40.680 That's kind of weird.

02:29:41.720 Like, it's like, why even get...

02:29:43.820 I'm not sure.

02:29:43.940 Why even start, you know?

02:29:46.040 Yeah, I think that's weird.

02:29:46.320 Like, I'll hang out with you romantically.

02:29:48.540 We can kiss, but I...

02:29:50.740 Fucking is where I draw the line.

02:29:52.620 Maybe that man is inherently racist.

02:29:54.780 I'm not saying that having a preference...

02:29:56.940 Not having a preference or having a preference, but maybe that man is, like, battling something

02:30:01.580 inside where he thinks she's beautiful, but he has these racist ideologies.

02:30:05.080 He's battling it.

02:30:06.140 I've been with another...

02:30:06.960 But that doesn't mean, like, I'm not saying that you need to go, like, date a black girl.

02:30:10.540 I don't know.

02:30:10.800 Wouldn't that be the same as going out with, like, I don't know, a girl goes out with a

02:30:14.940 guy who's way heavier than she normally would.

02:30:17.760 She goes to the date.

02:30:18.500 She has fun.

02:30:19.220 But then she's like, eh, rethink it, right?

02:30:21.840 You're too fat.

02:30:22.720 Yeah, like, I don't want to have sex with that.

02:30:24.180 Yeah, right.

02:30:25.180 Isn't that kind of the same thing?

02:30:26.560 Well, skin, a black girl isn't that, but yeah.

02:30:29.260 No, no, no, no, no, no.

02:30:30.520 Hang on, hang on.

02:30:31.100 No, I said I don't want to have sex with that to the guy that's, like, 300 pounds.

02:30:34.980 Okay.

02:30:35.300 But he can change that.

02:30:36.440 I can't change my skin unless you want me, you want to buy me pills.

02:30:39.000 Yeah, yeah, I get it.

02:30:40.220 I mean, they don't like it.

02:30:41.100 I get it, but okay, so not fat.

02:30:43.020 He has a hunchback.

02:30:44.360 He has a hunchback.

02:30:45.280 He's like the hunchback of Notre Dame.

02:30:47.140 And I'll give it a shot, and you go out with him, and then halfway through the date,

02:30:50.980 you're like, yeah, we're not going to be doing anything.

02:30:53.600 You know what I mean?

02:30:54.140 But, so, I mean, is that, is that them being, I don't know, is that them being mean to, you

02:31:01.140 know, disabled people or something?

02:31:02.880 I don't, I don't know.

02:31:03.820 I mean, if you're asking me personally if I would do that to someone, then, like, no.

02:31:09.740 We have a lot of notes to get through.

02:31:12.180 I have a few more with her.

02:31:13.960 If you guys have quick things you want to say to her, but let's not get too bogged down,

02:31:17.800 because I'm just, I want to get to everybody.

02:31:20.260 So, you also said you hooked up with my friend's Tinder date?

02:31:23.920 Oh, yeah.

02:31:24.720 So, me and my best friend, we were living together and stuff like that.

02:31:28.900 She told me that she didn't like white boys, and typically, that's the people that I talk

02:31:33.120 to.

02:31:33.600 So, she was like, give me, she just gave me their date, basically.

02:31:38.840 And we've been talking for the past couple of weeks.

02:31:40.640 Was that racist for her to say that?

02:31:42.240 She doesn't like white boys?

02:31:43.860 I mean, I mean.

02:31:44.840 It is based on the logic you just said.

02:31:46.780 Yeah, yeah.

02:31:47.940 Oh.

02:31:48.140 I tell her all the time, like, why not?

02:31:50.720 Like, you know?

02:31:51.960 Okay.

02:31:52.580 You also, I mean, here's another, okay.

02:31:54.560 You said you had a quote-unquote boyfriend break up with you by saying he was a Nazi.

02:32:01.760 Oh, yeah.

02:32:02.560 So, that was supposed to be my first relationship.

02:32:05.520 I met this kid on the bus, and I would just.

02:32:08.960 As one does.

02:32:10.040 Yeah.

02:32:10.520 I was like.

02:32:11.400 Like the city bus?

02:32:12.360 Yeah.

02:32:12.660 I was like 14 at the time.

02:32:14.340 And he was like at least 17, 18.

02:32:17.980 And he was.

02:32:18.460 Kind of.

02:32:18.940 Yikes.

02:32:19.360 Yeah.

02:32:19.740 He was graduating and stuff.

02:32:21.780 Pretty yikes.

02:32:22.240 And I thought that we were dating because I asked him if we were dating.

02:32:25.860 He was like, yeah.

02:32:26.560 And then he got annoyed that I was like texting him every other day.

02:32:29.420 And eventually, like, his way of breaking up with me was being like, I'm a fucking Nazi.

02:32:35.580 And yeah.

02:32:36.680 He was like, I'm going to come after your family.

02:32:38.800 And I was like, dude, you're Mexican.

02:32:40.340 Like, they're not even going to.

02:32:42.720 What?

02:32:44.000 Accept you into the.

02:32:44.960 What?

02:32:45.360 You know what I mean?

02:32:47.040 Wait.

02:32:47.460 So, he was a Mexican Nazi.

02:32:50.100 That's what he said.

02:32:50.860 I don't think he was an actual Nazi.

02:32:53.700 He just said that to break up with me.

02:32:54.920 He used that as pretext to end the relationship.

02:32:57.280 Because were you being, like, super clingy and shit?

02:32:59.520 And he was like, how do I get this chick away?

02:33:00.820 Possibly I was 14 years old.

02:33:02.380 You know what I mean?

02:33:03.160 It's kind of like the guys who, like, they're trying to figure out how to break up with their girlfriend.

02:33:06.620 So, they'll just be like, yeah, I'm gay.

02:33:09.780 Like, and I feel like it makes the breakup easier.

02:33:12.180 Maybe.

02:33:12.420 I don't know.

02:33:14.320 Let's see.

02:33:14.900 You also said that.

02:33:16.840 I think last thing for you.

02:33:18.340 You did.

02:33:18.760 You said you.

02:33:19.200 Well, back to the disagreement.

02:33:20.520 I disagree with the majority of everything, religious views, body count views.

02:33:25.920 Let's not get too focused on religious stuff.

02:33:29.200 But, sir, do you consider yourself atheist, though?

02:33:31.960 No, I consider myself spiritual.

02:33:35.020 So, you believe in a god?

02:33:36.880 Yeah.

02:33:37.760 Okay.

02:33:39.920 Like Wicca?

02:33:41.120 Something like that?

02:33:41.880 No.

02:33:42.200 Well, I feel like my beliefs kind of align more with ancient hermetics, you know, the Kabbalian type of stuff.

02:33:50.200 Of course.

02:33:50.940 Yeah, of course.

02:33:52.320 Of course.

02:33:52.900 I get it.

02:33:53.680 Yeah.

02:33:54.640 So, the one thing you do disagree on that we can go into, you said you disagree with our view, my view, I don't know, the views on body count.

02:34:02.460 What specifically do you disagree with there?

02:34:04.700 Like, I agree with you, because I know that you say that you don't really care or whatever, because you already have a higher one.

02:34:15.560 Or that you do care.

02:34:18.440 I've never admitted.

02:34:20.320 I must go to that video.

02:34:20.560 Okay, so I've never admitted my body count, and I do have an issue with high body count.

02:34:28.520 But you also said that you have a higher body count.

02:34:30.660 I just told you.

02:34:31.600 I've never said that.

02:34:32.400 You never gave, like, an actual, like, number, but you did say that.

02:34:37.480 I've never even said it's high.

02:34:38.780 I've never even said it's a high body count.

02:34:40.720 I swear to God.

02:34:41.780 I've.

02:34:42.440 Nope.

02:34:43.040 Okay.

02:34:43.600 Trust me.

02:34:44.760 From what I remember watching, you definitely did say that.

02:34:49.260 No.

02:34:50.140 As somebody who sits on this podcast week in and week out, I'm very precise in what I say, and I've never revealed my body count, or even said that it's up there, or it's high, or any of that kind of language.

02:35:01.840 And I quote.

02:35:02.740 I can't quote, because I don't have the fucking video.

02:35:05.080 I quote.

02:35:05.880 I can't quote.

02:35:07.660 I quote, but I don't quote.

02:35:09.480 I quote, but I can't quote.

02:35:10.200 I promise this is what you said.

02:35:11.620 Well, I can't promise.

02:35:12.520 Can't promise, but I promise.

02:35:14.220 That was epic.

02:35:14.960 I remember you saying that you know that you would have a rough time getting married or having a partner just because you have, like.

02:35:23.160 Never said that either, but okay.

02:35:24.420 Oh, my God.

02:35:25.180 Whatever.

02:35:25.760 Go ahead.

02:35:26.040 Go ahead.

02:35:26.320 Finish your thing.

02:35:26.960 Finish your thing.

02:35:27.420 No, I already said it.

02:35:28.540 I just, I do blatantly remember you saying that.

02:35:31.100 Okay, but finish your quote.

02:35:32.360 Finish your quote.

02:35:32.980 What did I, what do you think I said?

02:35:34.880 What do I think you said?

02:35:36.240 You said that basically because of your body count or whatever that you don't think that you'll be able to get married or find a, I don't know, high value woman or whatever.

02:35:46.040 I don't fucking know what I'm saying, but.

02:35:47.740 Was it, did I say this recently?

02:35:49.080 And I quote.

02:35:49.680 It was, it was.

02:35:50.720 Did I say it recently?

02:35:51.500 No, it was a while ago.

02:35:52.420 How long ago?

02:35:53.340 I don't know.

02:35:54.020 Don't know.

02:35:54.300 Because I have, I have a team here with me who not only just what I can tell you, but they can also, you know, they probably don't memorize everything I say, but they probably have a sense of whether I've ever said that.

02:36:08.400 And I've never said that.

02:36:09.900 I can tell you that you said it.

02:36:11.600 Just tell you, if you can find, I will pay you a hundred thousand dollars.

02:36:16.280 Hold on.

02:36:16.560 Let me, wait, hold on.

02:36:17.520 Let me.

02:36:18.100 A hundred dollars.

02:36:18.900 That's a lot.

02:36:19.780 Yeah.

02:36:19.940 No, I'll pay you, I'll pay you a thousand dollars if you can find a clip of me verbatim, verbatim saying what you just said.

02:36:28.280 Okay.

02:36:28.760 I have never said that, but I'll pay you a thousand dollars.

02:36:31.520 Can you guys shake on that right now?

02:36:33.100 Shake on that.

02:36:33.520 Would you like to shake on that?

02:36:34.560 I don't, I will.

02:36:36.540 It's on record.

02:36:37.400 Legally.

02:36:38.060 It's on record.

02:36:39.160 If you shake on it, does that mean that I have to give you a thousand?

02:36:41.700 You don't even have to pay me.

02:36:42.740 I just know you can.

02:36:43.560 I'll pay you a thousand if you can find it.

02:36:45.200 And I'll even say, this is, not only am I saying this in jest, legally, this will be a legally binding statement.

02:36:53.020 There you go.

02:36:53.940 Okay.

02:36:54.400 I legally bind myself to paying you a thousand dollars.

02:36:56.880 We can't like dap it up or something.

02:36:57.640 If you find the clip.

02:36:58.680 If you actually seal it, like seal the deal.

02:37:02.140 I've already, I've already said I legally bind myself to paying you a thousand.

02:37:05.220 I'm not sure I'm going to let him seal the deal with somebody who follows Crowley, right?

02:37:10.700 You don't want to seal any deals for the follower of Crowley?

02:37:14.700 Yeah, I'm good.

02:37:16.120 I'm too white to dab anyway.

02:37:18.180 So, man, no, no sealing deals.

02:37:20.200 Let's see here.

02:37:21.380 Okay.

02:37:21.620 Let's get into, who do we have?

02:37:23.840 We're going to go to Madeline.

02:37:26.340 Madeline?

02:37:27.000 Madeline?

02:37:27.840 Madeline.

02:37:28.640 All right.

02:37:29.340 You said, now this is, I think this is an interesting one, your first boyfriend, do you want to tell us the story there of your first boyfriend?

02:37:38.760 I mean, I can, yeah.

02:37:40.440 Yeah, do it.

02:37:41.100 It's just silly.

02:37:42.640 Okay.

02:37:43.660 So, my first boyfriend in high school was, he was a little older than me.

02:37:49.460 He was like 17.

02:37:50.980 We met at a party.

02:37:52.500 I sadly lost my virginity to him.

02:37:54.880 And, you know, just for some context, back then I was not the best version of myself.

02:37:59.560 You know, I wasn't doing things that were good for me.

02:38:01.660 I didn't have a great relationship with Christ even, so that wasn't, you know, dictating my life.

02:38:06.620 But, yeah, I lost my virginity to him at a party, and we started dating after that.

02:38:13.200 It was not a good relationship, needless to say.

02:38:16.720 He was a fighter.

02:38:18.800 I found out after he said, I don't know if this is true, but he claimed that he had killed multiple people.

02:38:27.980 Wait, a 17-year-old?

02:38:30.120 Wait, was he in a gang?

02:38:32.240 Yes, he was in a gang.

02:38:33.260 I mean, I lived in Ohio, if that says anything.

02:38:37.260 There's rough gangs out there in Ohio.

02:38:39.720 I don't know, in certain parts.

02:38:41.740 But at the same time, he could have been lying.

02:38:43.720 I definitely think that he could have been lying, but I know that he would get into fights a lot of the time, and he would go red.

02:38:52.460 He would say blackout.

02:38:54.460 You saw him fight people?

02:38:56.680 I never saw it, but I didn't spend too much time with him.

02:39:00.520 Did you ever see him with a black eye or his knuckles all fucked up?

02:39:03.420 Yeah, but I don't know how it actually played out because I was never there.

02:39:08.080 He killed, how many people did he say he killed?

02:39:09.720 He never told me the number.

02:39:11.080 He said multiple, though.

02:39:11.980 He said multiple.

02:39:12.640 17-year-olds?

02:39:13.980 I know.

02:39:14.740 I mean, if he's in a gang, it's possible, but like, what?

02:39:20.540 I don't know.

02:39:21.360 It's a bit dubious, but okay.

02:39:22.720 And then what happened with your brother with him?

02:39:24.920 Oh, so my oldest brother, basically, the guy was threatening to fight my brother.

02:39:33.500 And so he pulled up to fight my brother, and my brother ran out with a machete to scare him away.

02:39:40.480 And that was the last time I ever saw him.

02:39:43.340 Okay.

02:39:43.800 And you were how old, again, when you met him?

02:39:47.180 15.

02:39:47.700 And you said you met him at a party.

02:39:49.240 Yeah.

02:39:49.880 You met him at a party, and you were a virgin, correct?

02:39:52.280 Yeah.

02:39:52.680 And then that, so hold on, let's do a bit of a walk through here.

02:39:55.800 So from meeting him at the party, he was 17, you were 15.

02:40:00.560 Meeting him at the party, you're a virgin.

02:40:02.340 How quickly from meeting him to having carnal knowledge, sexual intercourse, what was the duration of time?

02:40:10.480 I can't even say, but I know that we were talking.

02:40:12.940 You don't remember?

02:40:13.760 Were you drunk?

02:40:16.600 I wasn't drunk, but I know that we were talking for a really long time.

02:40:20.780 It was definitely towards the end of the night.

02:40:22.600 I don't have the specifics.

02:40:25.560 Can you tilt your mic down just a little bit?

02:40:28.120 When he got to the party, was there still sun out?

02:40:31.440 Yeah.

02:40:32.280 Yeah.

02:40:32.860 Okay.

02:40:33.080 And then the sun was down.

02:40:34.280 I don't see why this matters so much.

02:40:36.440 Well, I'm just asking a question, so you met him, you're talking for a while.

02:40:42.740 I mean, what duration, what period of time elapsed from you first meet him to you guys were having sex?

02:40:50.640 I already answered that.

02:40:51.980 Basically, I don't have the time frame.

02:40:56.180 I mean, you were sober.

02:40:58.040 Most people remember their first time.

02:41:00.420 Yes, but it was years ago.

02:41:02.080 So much has happened in that time.

02:41:06.740 Yeah, but I mean, I feel like most people remember.

02:41:09.300 Unless she wasn't her best version of myself.

02:41:10.800 Well, what does that have to do with your memory?

02:41:14.060 Can you give us an estimate?

02:41:15.560 One hour, two hours, three hours, if you had to guess?

02:41:19.480 I'm not going to answer that just because I feel like it doesn't matter so much.

02:41:23.580 Well, I mean, it's just a dating-related question.

02:41:28.460 It is interesting, the story of how one loses their virginity to their first boyfriend.

02:41:32.660 I would say that, yeah.

02:41:33.860 In any case, you did say that night.

02:41:36.900 You met him at the party.

02:41:37.940 You guys had sex at the party?

02:41:39.800 Mm-hmm.

02:41:40.700 Okay, so we'll just, can we say anywhere from one to three hours?

02:41:44.680 Sure, yeah.

02:41:45.500 Okay, and were you, question, like, was he just super attractive,

02:41:49.740 or were you kind of, like, looking to lose your virginity?

02:41:53.440 Honestly, yeah, I felt pressured into losing my virginity.

02:41:56.640 By friends?

02:41:57.500 Yeah, and society.

02:41:59.560 Not just female friends, but, you know, it was pushed on.

02:42:03.200 I had, for a long time, guys that would try to have me, you know, send photos of myself.

02:42:10.200 It was just definitely pushed on me, and due to trauma that I endured at a young age,

02:42:16.840 I also, you know, was looking for validation.

02:42:19.640 And part of me did see him as an attractive man.

02:42:23.500 It's not that he just wasn't attractive, and I was just trying to lose my virginity.

02:42:26.880 It was more so, it just was a happenstance.

02:42:30.400 It decided to happen at that point in time.

02:42:32.200 And I don't think that it's a good representation of who I am,

02:42:37.680 and I wouldn't, if I could go back and change it, I 100% would.

02:42:41.060 Yeah, I mean, I certainly agree.

02:42:42.420 Like, I've heard from a lot of women on the show, and some even messaged me,

02:42:46.260 and they say that, like you said, they're pressured by society.

02:42:50.700 I've also heard a lot of their female friend group will pressure them to lose their virginity.

02:42:56.340 And these are girls who are in high school, and part of the component that I think is happening there

02:43:03.500 is they themselves have lost their virginity, and they almost want to sort of,

02:43:08.480 and perhaps they almost regret it to some degree, and they want to justify it

02:43:11.900 by encouraging their friend group, their social group, to also do it so they feel like perhaps less guilt.

02:43:19.020 But it's certainly the case that society pressures you, friend groups pressure you,

02:43:23.980 especially kind of the degeneracy that is being pushed.

02:43:27.240 But so I do have one question.

02:43:30.800 I know you guys are in a relationship.

02:43:32.280 In the event that, you know, knock on wood, I'm not hoping for anything,

02:43:36.980 but in the event you guys break up, you did say you're bisexual, right?

02:43:41.280 Yes.

02:43:41.820 Like you would date men, you would date women?

02:43:44.020 Yes.

02:43:44.400 Okay.

02:43:45.180 Now, and it seemed like maybe you were a bit more averse to sex than you,

02:43:51.860 like you're a bit more averse to sex, whereas you're a bit more open to it,

02:43:54.620 but you're kind of fine with the not having sex thing.

02:43:58.920 Yeah, I mean, from the relationships that I used to be in,

02:44:03.700 I was kind of forced into thinking that you had to have sex all the time

02:44:08.180 for the relationship to even be okay.

02:44:09.840 Sometimes I was forced into it and thought that it was just okay.

02:44:14.220 So in my mind, I was trained to think that it was something I needed to do,

02:44:18.600 but it's not something I like to do anymore.

02:44:21.680 Okay.

02:44:21.820 So after realizing that I don't have to, I'm 100% okay with not.

02:44:27.300 I'm glad that I don't have to have sex all the time.

02:44:29.960 Right.

02:44:30.180 Do you feel like it's a control thing too?

02:44:31.660 Like now you get to say, I'm not doing this anymore?

02:44:34.820 Yeah.

02:44:35.400 Okay.

02:44:35.620 All right.

02:44:37.600 So in the event, if you two were to break up

02:44:41.120 and you were to date another woman, another man,

02:44:46.020 would you, do you see yourself being inclined to have sex in that relationship?

02:44:52.100 Perhaps when you're, it sounds like you'd want to wait till marriage.

02:44:54.780 If you were in a new relationship, correct?

02:44:56.580 Yeah.

02:44:56.880 To have sex.

02:44:57.420 And you would have sex in that new relationship under, if you're marriage.

02:45:02.940 Yeah.

02:45:03.200 After marriage.

02:45:04.340 Okay.

02:45:04.760 So you'd wait.

02:45:06.520 Okay.

02:45:07.140 Okay.

02:45:07.700 That, yeah.

02:45:08.140 Assuming, you know, who knows what goes on with this relationship.

02:45:11.040 But, uh, I feel like for a lot of men that might be a, or even perhaps even women who

02:45:19.460 are inclined to want to be, well, I suppose you do, you would have to find somebody who

02:45:25.280 shares their values in terms of wanting to wait until marriage.

02:45:28.240 But even then, I do feel like at least from the guy's perspective on this, from my perspective

02:45:33.360 on this, it would feel a little bit like a raw deal.

02:45:37.220 Like if you're, you know, if I, if there was a girl who say she had, I'm not saying this

02:45:41.960 is your body count.

02:45:42.660 She had the body count of plus 10.

02:45:44.200 She's making you wait for marriage, lost her virginity to a man at a party within hours.

02:45:51.380 Um, I feel like that's a raw deal for the guy.

02:45:57.400 If he doesn't want to wait till marriage and if he doesn't understand what I went through

02:46:02.380 and that I'm a different person, then so be it.

02:46:05.000 I mean, you're not meant to be with me and that's just that.

02:46:07.220 I'll say my husband was not a virgin on our wedding night.

02:46:10.820 Um, and to me, I mean, he loved and respected me enough.

02:46:15.320 I think it's rare, but that he was like, all right, well, like we'll wait.

02:46:19.080 Um, and I think it, I think if you do love and respect someone enough, it kind of changes

02:46:23.600 and you're like, well, I think it's worth the wait.

02:46:26.960 So I got to ask this, um, earlier when we were talking, what's, what do you think is holding

02:46:34.720 you guys back from getting married?

02:46:39.340 Um, it's hard to say, but I mean.

02:46:46.100 Who proposes?

02:46:47.200 Like who's the woman?

02:46:48.620 We've actually talked about this and if we, if we would, we'd probably both end up doing

02:46:52.840 it at the same time, like not even realizing it, but probably both end up proposing.

02:46:57.100 Well, it's strange to me because it seems like if it's an, if it's an asexual thing,

02:47:02.900 um, and you think it's okay that it's, you know, canonically fine.

02:47:07.280 Um, what's the actual holdup?

02:47:10.340 Like, I don't, I don't understand that.

02:47:12.340 I mean, you know, the Bible says certain things and people say certain things.

02:47:18.200 And at the end of the day, I'm, I'm not going to get married until I've been with someone

02:47:22.460 for many years.

02:47:23.560 I mean, we've been together for three years, but in the end, I'd like to wait more time.

02:47:28.620 And, you know, I don't think it's something we have to do right now either.

02:47:35.380 We have so many other priorities.

02:47:37.160 We have so many different things that we need to focus on.

02:47:40.020 And like, I mean, we do want to be, um, co-parents and foster children in the years

02:47:46.420 ahead.

02:47:47.120 So I feel like we should focus on more things rather than just, you know, getting married

02:47:55.000 and putting it on paper.

02:47:56.380 I mean, we have a great relationship, partnership.

02:47:58.800 Yeah, but doesn't that only take like 15 minutes to just go down to the courthouse, done?

02:48:02.480 Okay.

02:48:02.940 That doesn't matter.

02:48:04.580 I feel like it goes so much deeper than that.

02:48:08.440 And like, I mean, it just sounds to me like you don't want to get married, honestly.

02:48:13.040 I would love to get married to her, but at the end of the day, we don't know what God truly

02:48:19.220 wants from us.

02:48:20.020 And I'd like to give him more time to, you know, speak through us or make us feel convicted

02:48:25.000 if we aren't meant to be together.

02:48:27.180 I mean, it's just my preference, I feel like.

02:48:33.520 Okay.

02:48:34.120 I kind of want to hear your take on it now.

02:48:35.540 Um, you know, I always have thought that marriage might not be for me, but I haven't thought

02:48:48.400 too much about marriage, honestly.

02:48:52.880 Um, I like to, like when I'm in my free time, I just, you know, I talk about, like talk to

02:48:59.320 God or I write my music and that's really what I like to do.

02:49:02.380 I enjoy doing that.

02:49:03.600 I'm not sitting there thinking about like love and marriage.

02:49:07.180 I really want to take on foster kids and share the love that I do have with them because

02:49:12.980 I feel like there's a lot of kids out there that don't have support.

02:49:15.940 And I know that I can give that to them and that's really what I spend my focus on.

02:49:22.020 I think more about kids than I do about marriage.

02:49:23.780 What do you guys, what is your response to that?

02:49:42.220 What is your response to that?

02:49:48.080 Do you have a response for that?

02:49:49.640 I would say I understand what they're saying and the more that I read the Bible, that's

02:50:03.320 what like pushes me away from thinking about marriage or doing that.

02:50:12.380 I love to have a partnership with Maddie.

02:50:15.080 I think we do a lot of great things together, like help the homeless and help the homeless.

02:50:19.640 You know, we're mentors to foster children and so there's not really anyone else I've

02:50:27.320 met that has the ideals that I have about the world and how to nurture and help people

02:50:31.080 and we've created a really nice union at home.

02:50:36.400 And so, yeah, like I would be down personally to be nuns together.

02:50:44.180 Yeah, I'm trying to decide what's the difference between, again, how we started it, the two

02:50:50.440 of you and Lindsay and I.

02:50:52.740 Who are besties and not lesbian lovers.

02:50:55.240 And not lesbian lovers, let me make that very clear.

02:50:58.540 We live in completely different states, but I will say we do sleep together when we're

02:51:03.440 on traveling because we are so poor from our company that we do share a hotel room.

02:51:08.680 However, we are not in any way sexually intimate or sexually attracted to one another.

02:51:13.080 And I think it would be really beautiful to see the two of you take on that same kind

02:51:16.680 of relationship.

02:51:18.160 And I think that's what God would like love to see from you.

02:51:20.600 Would, do you feel like us together could raise kids?

02:51:28.380 Biblically, that's not the way God designed it.

02:51:30.800 But what about kids that don't have homes?

02:51:32.580 I think it's a great idea for people to foster and adopt children, especially with the abortion

02:51:37.780 pandemic that's going around.

02:51:39.300 People need to adopt babies instead of kill them.

02:51:41.140 But the way you, but you're talking biblically, right?

02:51:45.780 And so your guys' struggle is how do we maintain this beautiful relationship that we have and

02:51:52.180 keep it biblical?

02:51:53.800 And that person just kind of showed you one Bible verse that says, well, this is kind

02:51:58.760 of what goes against that.

02:51:59.860 So then the question would be if the Bible also says that a family is built on husband

02:52:04.340 and a wife, how would you feel then going, okay, well, we've decided we're doing this

02:52:08.980 even though it technically goes against the Bible and biblical standards.

02:52:12.740 I feel like I shouldn't go search for a man.

02:52:15.900 I'm not saying you should go search for a man either.

02:52:17.780 I think that God brings people into people's lives at certain times.

02:52:20.780 And I actually believe that you guys are 100% meant to be together, empowering each other

02:52:24.040 right now.

02:52:24.480 Probably not in a relationship, but as friends, right?

02:52:28.360 You've both been through a lot.

02:52:29.700 But I'm just saying biblically, no one is saying now go find a man.

02:52:33.420 You have to be married, right?

02:52:35.040 But if the Bible says that a man and a husband and a wife should raise children, then what

02:52:42.380 is your response to that naturally to say, well, we're seeking God in this, but God does

02:52:46.420 say, like, don't do this and don't do this.

02:52:49.260 Isn't that kind of your clear answer?

02:52:51.000 Or are you waiting for Holy Spirit kind of?

02:52:53.280 Well, he doesn't really say to not, like, I'm pretty sure there's verses in the Bible

02:52:59.460 about how families raise with community as well, and we could be community.

02:53:06.520 So, like, do you shame, like, single mothers?

02:53:11.560 No, absolutely not.

02:53:12.700 No.

02:53:13.220 Okay, so we're both two single, we would be two single women choosing to raise kids because

02:53:20.000 we have the resources to.

02:53:21.380 Right.

02:53:21.660 And you did ask if I condemned that.

02:53:23.140 And I did say, I didn't say yes.

02:53:24.800 I was just saying, trying to bring it back to biblically, because, again, speaking biblically,

02:53:30.520 there is no right and wrong and black and white in some of these situations where when

02:53:35.460 you say single mother, the first thing I think of is, like, a widow.

02:53:38.400 You can't shame a woman for raising children when her husband died.

02:53:42.020 Her father had an affair with her mother and then left her mother with five kids.

02:53:47.000 And it ended up being a really horrible situation.

02:53:49.580 And her brothers ended up getting into some really awful stuff because they didn't have,

02:53:55.240 because there was just, you know.

02:53:58.320 Yeah, they didn't have that stability of the two parents in the household.

02:54:01.260 Correct.

02:54:01.900 Yes.

02:54:02.620 And I, and I, I know someone that has two mothers.

02:54:08.360 Of course, their mothers are sexually involved, but they don't have much problems.

02:54:14.880 They're happy.

02:54:15.980 They go, they do go to church, but yeah.

02:54:19.400 I think it's a hard, a hard line here.

02:54:21.540 I don't think it says black and white, and I think that's where Lindsay's getting at,

02:54:24.800 just because we do have a real pandemic right now with abortion.

02:54:29.560 Yeah.

02:54:29.840 And I would much rather see these children adopted into homes than not.

02:54:36.400 So I think it is a, it's, it is a hard stance.

02:54:41.160 I mean, it's, I don't know.

02:54:42.980 But it's commendable, it's commendable that you ladies want to do so much good work together.

02:54:47.740 Thank you.

02:54:48.400 I do, I do think so.

02:54:51.800 By the way, Andrew's out getting a smoke break.

02:54:53.960 He's on his way back right now.

02:54:56.420 He'll be here rejoining us in just a sec.

02:54:59.740 Now, I need to get into some of my other pre-show notes here.

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02:55:17.480 Okay.

02:55:18.560 Everybody's just leaving the table.

02:55:20.040 No, it's total chaos in the whatever podcast studio.

02:55:23.060 It's whatever.

02:55:23.860 It's whatever.

02:55:25.000 It's whatever.

02:55:25.620 All right.

02:55:26.020 Let's get into who do we go to now?

02:55:28.980 Why don't we go to our good friend, Jaden.

02:55:34.940 Okay.

02:55:36.540 Jaden says, I have lots of examples of girls not being too friendly and doing whatever at

02:55:41.880 anyone's expense just to get a guy.

02:55:44.440 Yeah, I do.

02:55:46.040 Got a lot of examples.

02:55:47.520 Okay.

02:55:48.260 Did you want to maybe share one, like the worst, the worst of the worst?

02:55:54.580 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

02:55:55.840 Of doing anything to get with a guy?

02:55:58.320 Sure.

02:55:58.980 Is that what I said?

02:56:00.740 Yes.

02:56:01.220 Doing whatever at anyone's expense just to get a guy.

02:56:03.620 Oh, yeah.

02:56:04.040 Like I've had, I feel like it could be some of the same women that may identify as feminist,

02:56:10.600 but I've had friends that have put me in very uncomfortable positions because they want

02:56:16.080 to pursue a man sexually and leave their friends behind at parties or just that kind of thing

02:56:25.600 is what I mean.

02:56:26.080 I just think friendships need to be better.

02:56:29.700 Women, when they are pursuing men, shouldn't be thinking so sexually.

02:56:33.480 I feel like it pulls them into really weird situations.

02:56:37.200 Women need to respect their bodies more.

02:56:39.020 I've had a lot of friends that just absolutely do not respect themselves.

02:56:42.920 And it makes me sad because it does hurt your soul.

02:56:45.360 So no matter if you believe spiritually or not, spirituality is a real thing.

02:56:50.240 God and Jesus are spiritual.

02:56:52.500 In your notes, you also mentioned you absolutely think that there is misogyny in our world.

02:56:59.620 I don't disagree with you.

02:57:02.520 I do think that there are people that hate women, just like I think there are people that

02:57:06.400 hate men.

02:57:07.300 Yes.

02:57:07.880 But I do want some clarification here.

02:57:10.200 When you say misogyny, how do you define misogyny?

02:57:13.120 I define it as, I feel like misogyny might be more of a systemic thing where women,

02:57:23.360 thinking that women need to do anything a man wants, I feel like is misogynistic.

02:57:34.920 I feel as though not having women be respected in leadership positions is also misogynistic.

02:57:43.940 I know that not everyone believes that way, but that's misogyny to me.

02:57:47.760 That we can't, that it's so hard for us to get that extra representation.

02:57:52.420 But you believe in the Christian worldview.

02:57:54.320 Yeah.

02:57:55.000 The Christian worldview is patriarchal.

02:57:57.420 Yes, but the men is supposed to look to their wives or women for wisdom because God

02:58:02.840 gave them wisdom.

02:58:03.640 Love is patient, love is kind, love does not boast, love does not, love is not selfish.

02:58:10.620 Love considers everybody and you want, if you love your wife, you will consider the

02:58:16.760 things that she needs and wants.

02:58:18.360 Sure.

02:58:19.280 And not just what you want.

02:58:20.960 Yeah, but it's not a matter of, the assumption that's kind of baked into the Christian worldview

02:58:26.940 is the reason it's patriarchal and the reason that the man's supposed to have the final

02:58:31.220 decisions is because you trust him to note that what's good for you, even when you don't

02:58:36.320 know what's good for you.

02:58:37.240 But I don't trust all the men that we've had in power.

02:58:40.940 Yeah, I get it.

02:58:42.220 But when you're talking about this conundrum, which comes up, if that's your worldview,

02:58:46.200 if the worldview is the Christian worldview, it's the same conundrum that I asked her earlier.

02:58:50.000 My worldview is Jesus's worldview.

02:58:51.360 Like, the world believes in going to war.

02:58:54.680 Jesus doesn't believe in going to war.

02:58:56.960 Yeah, but that really has nothing to do...

02:58:59.400 But I'm saying my worldview, like, there's a lot of contradictions in what Christians

02:59:05.460 say their worldview is than what Jesus said the worldview should be.

02:59:09.300 That was my point there.

02:59:10.700 Well, I understand it, but the head of the church is Jesus, right?

02:59:13.960 Yeah.

02:59:14.440 Okay.

02:59:15.100 And all the apostles who went off to found new churches were all men, correct?

02:59:19.580 Uh, yeah, but Jesus doesn't really like religion, so...

02:59:27.220 Churches, there's so many...

02:59:28.220 He came to give us his church.

02:59:29.540 He said it.

02:59:30.240 He said he came...

02:59:30.620 No, we are the church.

02:59:31.580 Yeah, he came to give a...

02:59:33.100 No, he came to also give us a church.

02:59:35.440 To make the church his bride.

02:59:35.500 To make the church his bride.

02:59:37.260 He didn't say he would come...

02:59:39.180 No.

02:59:39.380 Listen, when I'm talking about worldview, when I'm talking about worldview, when I say the

02:59:44.000 word religion, you can dispute the word.

02:59:45.720 You can say, okay, I don't follow a religion, but you still follow a worldview.

02:59:49.580 Your view, the way that you look at the world, the prism in which you're guided, is informed

02:59:55.220 by your Christian worldview.

02:59:56.520 This is how you know what's right, what's wrong, what's, you know, correct behavior,

03:00:00.540 incorrect behavior, how you're supposed to live your life, how you're not supposed to

03:00:03.980 live your life, right?

03:00:05.500 Are you drinking that beer?

03:00:07.660 Do you have a Christian worldview?

03:00:08.860 Yeah.

03:00:09.280 Okay.

03:00:10.340 And?

03:00:11.000 That contradicts it.

03:00:12.040 No, it doesn't.

03:00:13.400 Drinking a beer contradicts Christianity?

03:00:16.860 Yeah.

03:00:17.640 Really?

03:00:17.920 Alcohol, spirits, stay away from spirits?

03:00:20.740 Did, have you ever heard of something called the Last Supper?

03:00:25.640 Yeah.

03:00:26.200 What did they drink?

03:00:27.480 Wine.

03:00:28.100 Gotcha, bitch!

03:00:29.640 Contradicting their own worldviews.

03:00:31.320 From Jesus.

03:00:33.780 They, Jesus drank himself wine.

03:00:37.280 That he made...

03:00:37.860 They all, listen, there's no restriction in Christianity for drinking wine.

03:00:42.140 I think we're not to be drunk, but to have a beer is fine, or to have wine, but we are

03:00:48.720 not to be drunk.

03:00:49.240 The reason that drunkenness is wrong, drinking is not wrong, and who cares if you're on your

03:00:55.520 eighth, if you're not drunk?

03:00:57.520 The reason that drunkenness...

03:00:59.240 Impaired?

03:00:59.400 You're going to be impaired.

03:01:00.340 You just got a high tolerance.

03:01:01.700 The reason that...

03:01:02.340 Yeah, but that's not what...

03:01:04.340 If you got pulled over, that's not what would be happening.

03:01:06.560 It's not about blood alcohol levels.

03:01:08.800 Christianity is not about legalism.

03:01:11.480 They're looking for impairment, because if there was some type of impairment, and not

03:01:16.420 just impairment, but addiction, if it was an addiction and an impairment, that would take

03:01:20.620 you further away from Christ.

03:01:22.160 That's part of the worldview.

03:01:23.780 Drinking a beer has nothing to do with it.

03:01:25.800 I mean, that's...

03:01:26.880 I don't even know where that comes from.

03:01:28.320 I think a man should only lead if he is a Christian man and wants to lead his family closer to God.

03:01:34.500 Otherwise, I don't know what you're leading, or what you're leading for, or what you're

03:01:38.820 determining, because if you're not going off of what God says, then why...

03:01:43.660 Yeah, sure.

03:01:44.300 So you're leading your family.

03:01:45.460 You're a Christian.

03:01:46.320 Yes, I do believe...

03:01:46.500 I believe God gave men knowledge and ability to be able to rationalize and not have emotion,

03:01:53.380 but also so that they can communicate with their wife, so that they can also understand

03:01:58.700 more about themselves and the decisions that they do need to make.

03:02:01.540 So I do believe a man should make, like, the final decision.

03:02:05.560 Sure.

03:02:06.080 So he's in charge.

03:02:06.660 But he...

03:02:07.160 He is a provider, and he's supposed to protect and take care of his family, and that, I believe,

03:02:13.320 means emotionally, mentally, and physically.

03:02:15.340 And if you're doing something that hurts your wife, you shouldn't want to do that, because

03:02:19.240 you love them, so...

03:02:20.360 But hurt her how?

03:02:22.220 Not letting her express herself, not letting her use the skills that God gave her.

03:02:27.520 Yeah, sure, sure, but when we're talking about hurt, or you're doing something that, you

03:02:34.720 know, you have some preference against, it doesn't mean that you're doing anything wrong

03:02:38.800 if you're the final arbiter.

03:02:40.560 So you could have, again, this situation, especially within the Christian worldview, of

03:02:44.900 you're being willful.

03:02:46.960 You're being willful, and you're being disrespectful of yourself without realizing it.

03:02:51.140 Isn't it your husband's duty to say, no, you're supposed to obey within the confines

03:02:55.860 of the Christian ethos?

03:02:57.420 So, so, obey God.

03:02:59.500 Jesus always comes first.

03:03:00.580 So if your man told you that we needed to do something that was against God, you're not

03:03:06.620 going to do it.

03:03:07.280 That would be a violation of your ethics.

03:03:09.480 That's a...

03:03:09.940 There's...

03:03:10.600 The distinction here is part of your ethics is to follow your man's lead.

03:03:15.560 That's what part of your ethical framework is.

03:03:18.960 And you dismiss it if they go against God.

03:03:21.240 Yeah, but going against God isn't you being just willful.

03:03:26.680 You being willful and him saying, listen, you have to stop being so willful, you have

03:03:30.060 to stop being so argumentative, you have to stop going against me and my decision making

03:03:33.940 because you're just being willful.

03:03:35.740 That's not going against God.

03:03:37.040 Do you think if you have an...

03:03:37.920 If a woman has an opinion and you just don't want to hear her out and you won't hear her

03:03:41.520 out, she's going to...

03:03:42.800 It's going to lead to a little bit of arguing because you're not listening to your woman.

03:03:46.360 She might have a good idea.

03:03:47.260 She might have something that can really bring value to you.

03:03:51.500 Sure, she might.

03:03:52.060 But it's not really for her to decide that.

03:03:54.260 It's for him to decide that within the ethos.

03:03:56.080 Got it.

03:03:56.520 Within the ethic, right?

03:03:58.880 That sounds more like...

03:04:02.840 I don't believe God talks about dominance.

03:04:06.020 He talks about leadership.

03:04:06.980 It's not dominance.

03:04:08.100 But it says submit to each other.

03:04:11.620 Marriage and the Christian ethic is a reflection of the relationship you have with Jesus Christ.

03:04:17.440 Jesus Christ is the head of the church.

03:04:19.400 But not everyone gets married to men that deserve that respect.

03:04:22.900 Let me finish.

03:04:23.480 The man acts as the head of the church, right?

03:04:26.640 That's the symbolic relationship.

03:04:28.980 The woman acts as the body of the church.

03:04:31.000 That is the symbolic relationship.

03:04:32.660 The man is the head.

03:04:34.100 So when you're talking about submission, which is part of your vows,

03:04:36.840 for all Christians, as far as I'm aware, even Protestants make the vow of submission.

03:04:42.380 But what about to men that aren't your husband, like at work?

03:04:45.760 I'm talking about your husband.

03:04:47.120 But we're talking about misogyny, and I was saying it's systemic.

03:04:49.660 Like at work, when your boss shuts you down, you have a great idea.

03:04:53.280 I work at a place that they take my ideas.

03:04:55.780 They bring me in.

03:04:56.340 They ask me questions.

03:04:57.340 They want to know what I think because they see the value that women have,

03:05:00.680 like our attention to detail, organization, things like that.

03:05:03.960 So you could grow your businesses.

03:05:07.900 You could grow humanity as a whole by considering what women have to say

03:05:11.400 instead of just saying, no, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right.

03:05:14.040 Yeah, but women, it is considered what women have to say.

03:05:16.940 What does that have to do with misogyny?

03:05:19.280 If men, men shut men down.

03:05:21.000 Because men don't listen.

03:05:22.020 Men don't listen to men most of the time.

03:05:23.420 But they automatically, like you show that you don't even listen to women.

03:05:26.420 You literally call us bitches that, like, you think our, like, brains are, like, off or something.

03:05:30.640 Like, they work.

03:05:31.880 We think.

03:05:32.520 We move.

03:05:32.940 We do research.

03:05:33.960 We have talent.

03:05:34.900 We have capabilities.

03:05:35.700 How do you expect me to?

03:05:37.000 And not every woman is going to get married.

03:05:38.720 Oh, my God, this fucking girl.

03:05:40.280 Just leave it open a little bit.

03:05:41.620 We need some air in here.

03:05:42.760 Yeah, it's a lot.

03:05:44.200 Leave it open.

03:05:45.660 What just happened?

03:05:46.800 Anyway, so, yeah, back to this.

03:05:49.820 Nobody's dismissing.

03:05:52.080 I don't understand.

03:05:53.680 Is this, like, internalized misogyny?

03:05:56.080 No, like, I've seen women talk about it all the time.

03:05:58.500 Do you think they're just talking out of their assholes?

03:06:00.160 Sometimes, but I don't know specifically what you're referencing.

03:06:05.720 I really don't see a point.

03:06:07.300 All right, let me come in.

03:06:08.600 You said, do you think there's misandry?

03:06:11.220 Do you think there's misandry?

03:06:13.340 Explain with that.

03:06:14.580 It's the counter of misogyny.

03:06:16.980 Like, if misogyny is the hatred of women, then misandry is the hatred of men.

03:06:23.360 It's not just the hatred, though.

03:06:24.260 Well, yes, but just keeping things simple.

03:06:26.800 Okay.

03:06:27.840 It's a bias or, you know, whatever the full definition.

03:06:31.260 I think that there is a growing population of people that hate men.

03:06:38.020 Yeah.

03:06:39.040 That I think that.

03:06:40.380 You're self-included?

03:06:41.660 No, actually.

03:06:42.900 Are you sure?

03:06:43.740 Yeah, actually.

03:06:44.820 Okay.

03:06:45.160 Yeah, I think respectable men are respectable men.

03:06:48.600 I have a lot of male friends.

03:06:51.380 Men aren't terrible.

03:06:52.900 Like, some men are terrible.

03:06:54.180 Some women are terrible.

03:06:55.520 I don't think we disagree on everything.

03:06:58.200 I think you think my brain is broken.

03:07:00.240 Group 1 Motorsports donated $200.

03:07:02.680 B, what a sad panel on my birthday.

03:07:05.200 Andrew saves it if for sure.

03:07:07.340 God says to submit to the man as head of the household.

03:07:11.040 To love, honor, and obey.

03:07:12.500 Obey.

03:07:13.040 That last word means something.

03:07:15.600 It also says for a man to praise and honor his wife.

03:07:19.880 Yeah, but so.

03:07:21.120 Thank you.

03:07:21.780 Thank you, good one.

03:07:22.480 How does it take away from praising and honoring your wife or your wife to obey you?

03:07:27.640 Oh, seriously.

03:07:28.140 Some men don't deserve to be obeyed.

03:07:33.060 Like, some men ask for very not right things.

03:07:36.460 Like, I understand what you're saying.

03:07:38.480 You're talking about good men.

03:07:40.340 There's a lot of not good men.

03:07:42.200 I'm speaking about not good men that literally take advantage, abuse, and use women and their brains.

03:07:49.220 Or just totally discount.

03:07:51.820 I don't get how that doesn't make sense.

03:07:53.440 I'm not talking about everyone.

03:07:54.320 I don't generalize like you do.

03:07:55.580 I think every situation is different.

03:07:57.060 But you are generalizing right now.

03:07:59.080 Yeah.

03:07:59.420 If you say, I'm not talking about all the good men.

03:08:02.360 I'm talking about all the bad men.

03:08:03.500 That's a generalization.

03:08:04.440 No, I told you what I'm talking about.

03:08:07.500 Yeah, and that's a generalization.

03:08:09.020 So, me saying misogyny exists is not a generalization.

03:08:13.800 That's saying.

03:08:14.320 No, that's not a generalization.

03:08:15.940 Okay, and because of some bad men.

03:08:17.760 I don't think good men are misogynistic.

03:08:20.040 I think good men cherish and love the women that are around them.

03:08:23.360 My sister has an amazing boyfriend.

03:08:25.540 And he, literally, in his mind, he's, behind every great man is an even greater woman.

03:08:31.320 No.

03:08:31.480 Because we are wise.

03:08:33.020 No.

03:08:33.260 And God gave us wisdom.

03:08:34.560 No.

03:08:35.420 What?

03:08:35.720 Behind every great man is not a greater woman.

03:08:38.600 Now, that is a generalization.

03:08:41.140 She literally raises your children.

03:08:43.420 Hang on.

03:08:43.700 That's a generalization, right?

03:08:45.700 Is that a generalization?

03:08:46.620 I didn't say that's what I said.

03:08:47.720 I just said that's what he said.

03:08:48.760 I'm saying that there are men out there that value women for who they are and what they can bring to the table.

03:08:53.340 Wait, I have a question.

03:08:53.840 I have a question for you on this.

03:08:55.220 So, I've been building my business for over a decade, for 10 years.

03:08:58.620 Awesome.

03:08:58.880 And if I started to date a woman 10 years into having already established my business,

03:09:04.440 was she the great woman that was behind me when I was in the trenches, like, fucking grinding?

03:09:12.360 I mean, no, you weren't together.

03:09:13.580 I feel like that's an invalid conversation.

03:09:14.440 Well, I feel like your statement takes agency away from the greatness that men achieve.

03:09:17.480 Well, it's really weird.

03:09:18.220 Women can achieve greatness, too, when they're not forced to stay in a home.

03:09:21.140 It's actually worse, Brian, because you could just never get with a woman again, and you could still end up being a great man.

03:09:27.260 A woman could also do the same thing.

03:09:28.820 You wouldn't even need to have...

03:09:29.720 That's not what I'm arguing.

03:09:30.680 A woman can do the same thing.

03:09:31.940 Yes, women absolutely have the capacity for greatness and achievement, but it is kind of taking...

03:09:37.960 We don't ever hear the reverse.

03:09:39.520 Behind every boss bitch is a...

03:09:42.960 Epic man.

03:09:43.500 Epic great man.

03:09:44.460 Like, you never hear the reverse.

03:09:45.320 But that's because men have all the validation they need, obviously.

03:09:47.480 I've worked all the work I've done.

03:09:49.520 Right, so you just don't get enough validation.

03:09:51.540 No, I do, actually.

03:09:53.540 My family's very validating.

03:09:55.200 Well, then what are you talking about?

03:09:55.800 Talking about a lot of women's opinions.

03:09:58.380 So are we generalizing now?

03:10:00.600 I said a lot of, not all.

03:10:02.380 A lot of is a generalization.

03:10:04.940 Okay.

03:10:05.960 Isn't it?

03:10:06.620 Sure.

03:10:07.260 Yeah, so now we're generalizing.

03:10:08.920 You also generalize.

03:10:10.020 I do, but I'm not the one saying I don't.

03:10:12.500 I didn't say I don't.

03:10:13.740 Okay, so now if we're back to a generalization, and you're saying a lot of...

03:10:17.740 A lot of...

03:10:19.980 What does that mean?

03:10:21.500 What does that mean?

03:10:22.360 Yeah, what does it mean?

03:10:26.440 I don't feel the need to talk to disrespectful men like you.

03:10:30.400 Well, I mean, if I'm in a room with a bull dyke, I can at least...

03:10:33.840 I just know better men.

03:10:35.000 That's all.

03:10:35.560 What did you say?

03:10:36.240 Like, I really do know a lot, like, greater men than you.

03:10:39.400 Like, I don't know...

03:10:40.740 Like, the way you speak, the way you talk, I don't know.

03:10:44.440 I don't understand.

03:10:45.800 You don't understand what?

03:10:47.320 Why do you...

03:10:47.920 Why is it impossible for you to have a conversation without being ridiculously combative?

03:10:52.560 You are also combative.

03:10:53.640 I've gone out of my way to cool it down.

03:10:55.980 You already have a thought before any woman...

03:10:58.240 I've gone out of my way.

03:10:59.320 No, no, no.

03:10:59.940 No, you haven't.

03:11:00.580 Oh, yeah, I have.

03:11:02.100 Sure.

03:11:02.680 You're crazy, dude.

03:11:03.940 Well, how do you think you've gone out of your way?

03:11:06.080 Well, so, I've tried to keep it as cool as possible, but if you're having a conversation...

03:11:10.700 You called us bitches, you raised your voice, you said fucking...

03:11:13.220 You called us dumb.

03:11:14.320 You said bitches like you to her as well.

03:11:16.920 You're also...

03:11:17.460 Yeah, you're...

03:11:18.540 So, the chick over there who talked shit to me, I talked shit back to her?

03:11:22.720 That was not okay?

03:11:23.720 She didn't cuss at all.

03:11:24.760 You literally called...

03:11:25.600 She said, because of men like you, and I said, because of bitches like you.

03:11:29.560 Yeah.

03:11:30.220 So, do you know what a tit-for-tat is?

03:11:31.960 Or when somebody hits you...

03:11:32.720 I don't know, my father just wouldn't approve of the way you're speaking to me.

03:11:35.280 If somebody hits you, you hit them back harder.

03:11:37.000 A hundred percent.

03:11:37.840 Your father wouldn't, and he's a great man.

03:11:39.500 You would hit a woman, huh?

03:11:41.760 Verbally.

03:11:42.460 Okay.

03:11:42.580 If they're hitting you in a debate, you hit them back harder.

03:11:44.940 Okay.

03:11:47.640 Okay, hold on.

03:11:48.760 Where did we come up with this idea?

03:11:51.760 I don't know, I just like...

03:11:52.660 That suddenly everybody's abusive.

03:11:54.320 I just...

03:11:55.040 Not everyone's abusive.

03:11:56.240 I don't know, you accused him earlier, or at least you're on the verge of it, and now

03:12:00.240 you said, you're going to hit a woman?

03:12:01.860 Yeah, I'm asking.

03:12:02.880 Yeah.

03:12:03.120 By the logic, you said if someone hits you, you hit them harder.

03:12:07.640 Verbally.

03:12:08.920 You should have said that.

03:12:11.120 That's...

03:12:11.480 It was implied.

03:12:13.900 Would she hit a man?

03:12:15.540 No, I wouldn't.

03:12:16.440 Never?

03:12:17.260 No, I wouldn't.

03:12:18.220 Not even to defend yourself?

03:12:19.780 I mean, I would run, hopefully.

03:12:21.880 Not even to defend yourself?

03:12:23.240 No.

03:12:24.080 No?

03:12:24.600 No.

03:12:25.280 Just never?

03:12:25.800 I wouldn't even hit a girl back if she hit me and tried to fight me.

03:12:29.080 I'm not a fighter.

03:12:30.980 And maybe in a circumstance it would be different, but in my head I would never want to do that

03:12:34.440 to somebody.

03:12:35.580 Honestly.

03:12:36.200 So you're a pacifist?

03:12:38.140 Sure.

03:12:38.800 I don't know.

03:12:39.180 Not with my words, obviously.

03:12:40.740 It's just verbal argumentation?

03:12:42.240 I guess.

03:12:43.320 That's it?

03:12:44.040 Yeah.

03:12:44.560 Okay.

03:12:44.840 We're going to do a reset.

03:12:46.920 We have some chats here to read.

03:12:48.240 I don't have a mind.

03:12:48.880 We have Black Flame Nova.

03:12:52.280 Here's for all you've done with the show and for bringing Andrew on to shed some knowledge

03:12:55.760 on these three UFOs.

03:12:56.960 The dude couldn't have been resisted because he kissed you.

03:13:03.000 That wouldn't be the case otherwise.

03:13:06.200 Okay.

03:13:06.520 Going back to that.

03:13:08.640 Yeah.

03:13:09.320 Okay.

03:13:10.180 Black Flame Nova.

03:13:11.640 Appreciate it.

03:13:12.260 All hoes.

03:13:12.860 Appreciate it, man.

03:13:13.600 All right.

03:13:14.960 We have G.R.

03:13:16.440 Gracie.

03:13:16.960 Ladies.

03:13:17.640 It doesn't apply to you.

03:13:18.620 Stop.

03:13:19.140 Just stop.

03:13:20.360 If your father was like Andrew and actually questioned your life choices, would you be happier

03:13:24.940 as you age and your tats turn into Salvador Dali paintings?

03:13:31.940 Wait.

03:13:32.520 I don't really get the question.

03:13:34.200 If your father was like Andrew and actually questioned your life choices, would you be happier

03:13:37.100 as you age and your tats turn into Salvador Dali paintings?

03:13:42.360 I don't, is this, it's like a hypothetical?

03:13:44.500 He's basically saying your skin will get saggy, your things are going to change.

03:13:47.960 He was insulting, but trying to ask.

03:13:49.460 I'm going to pretend to be very insulted.

03:13:51.560 Very insulted by that.

03:13:52.760 I feel like that was a horrific comment.

03:13:54.420 I feel like that wasn't pointed at you, though, for some reason.

03:13:56.720 I think I'm going with tattoos, though.

03:13:57.880 Yeah.

03:13:58.280 I still, for some reason, feel like it was pointed at Gertrude, for some reason.

03:14:04.040 We have Tori Hearn.

03:14:05.960 It's Grid One birthday.

03:14:06.980 The whole panel needs to say happy B-Day to him.

03:14:09.480 Is it Grid One's birthday?

03:14:10.260 Yeah, because he was whining about us being in the panel.

03:14:12.520 Oh, it is his birthday.

03:14:13.740 It is his birthday.

03:14:14.500 Happy birthday, Grid One.

03:14:15.580 Yo, Grid One, happy fucking birthday.

03:14:18.680 I hope you had a great cake.

03:14:20.700 I hope you had...

03:14:22.760 Go spend your money elsewhere.

03:14:24.220 Feliz Navidad.

03:14:25.980 Happy birthday, man.

03:14:26.840 What?

03:14:27.240 Happy birthday.

03:14:28.320 Well, it's Spanish, right?

03:14:29.320 Isn't Feliz Navidad like Merry Christmas?

03:14:30.760 It is.

03:14:31.240 Oh, fuck.

03:14:32.160 Hold on.

03:14:32.940 Feliz cumpleaños is happy birthday.

03:14:35.560 Feliz cumpleaños.

03:14:36.800 Fuck, man.

03:14:37.480 Hey, you know, it's my California Spanish.

03:14:40.800 Okay.

03:14:41.720 All right.

03:14:42.820 Even if a man has shown great leadership, he cannot lead a follower, his wife, if she's

03:14:47.340 combative, disrespectful, argumentative, but worse of all, conditionally submissive, most

03:14:52.680 women are like this.

03:14:53.880 Yeah, feminism has turned most women this way.

03:14:57.500 Yeah, basically what he's saying is he wants a pet.

03:14:59.580 No, I disagree with that.

03:15:01.960 I agree with that statement that's set up there.

03:15:04.220 I do feel like women are less likely to let...

03:15:07.800 You have to realize you have a respectful husband.

03:15:08.780 Wait, let her finish.

03:15:09.500 Let her finish.

03:15:10.020 Let her finish.

03:15:10.320 You're right.

03:15:10.720 Sorry.

03:15:10.820 I feel like women nowadays are less likely to allow their man to lead them.

03:15:17.060 And it's not...

03:15:17.780 Men are not being like anger and taking over you.

03:15:21.040 They're leading you because they want what's best for you and for the family.

03:15:25.020 All men.

03:15:25.400 Yours is.

03:15:25.980 It's not all men, but she's being married to him if he wasn't that way.

03:15:32.520 We want a good man.

03:15:33.380 Private chat.

03:15:34.200 We don't know what your husband's like, but you look like a very healthy, beautiful woman

03:15:39.100 and you have a respectful husband and that's amazing, but a lot of women do not pick the

03:15:43.780 right men.

03:15:44.620 And I feel like it's possible that men saying men are the household and boasting about it

03:15:49.960 so much can get to some other man's head and create them to be abusers.

03:15:54.760 I'm not saying everyone's an abuser.

03:15:55.980 I agree.

03:15:56.700 But I believe that this mindset causes that.

03:16:00.780 And I do believe...

03:16:02.020 Like a woman should submit to a respectful man if he really is following God and doing

03:16:07.200 what God is asking him to.

03:16:08.920 What role does the woman play in that?

03:16:10.700 Because I feel like as women, if we're not respecting ourselves, then we're not demanding

03:16:14.420 respect of a man.

03:16:15.340 And I feel like also like this whole courtship, I mean, you're dating them, so it's not like

03:16:19.660 you're all of a sudden in this marriage and you're like, oh my gosh, he's controlling

03:16:22.600 me.

03:16:22.880 It's like this whole time he should have been leading you.

03:16:24.760 Absolutely.

03:16:25.360 You know?

03:16:25.740 But I think men think they need to do that before you're even married.

03:16:28.640 That's what I'm saying.

03:16:30.200 It also sounds like based on your relationship, like you guys have a really healthy relationship

03:16:33.900 and he's not abusive.

03:16:35.240 But if a man is abusive and controlling and then he wants you to be submissive and not combative

03:16:39.700 and agreeable, that's a problem.

03:16:41.180 Oh, absolutely.

03:16:41.920 Again, I wouldn't have married him and he'd be abusive.

03:16:43.680 That's not a man that's following God.

03:16:45.440 Right.

03:16:45.660 So to just say, women should always submit to a man.

03:16:49.560 Do make bad decisions when they pick.

03:16:51.880 Yeah, absolutely.

03:16:53.120 We have a video that's related to this.

03:16:54.940 Go ahead.

03:16:55.400 You can play it, Nick.

03:16:56.560 I want guidance.

03:16:57.800 I want leadership.

03:16:59.880 But don't just like boss me around, you know?

03:17:03.020 Like lead me.

03:17:04.420 Lead me when I'm in the mood to be led.

03:17:09.740 So I want guidance.

03:17:11.020 I want leadership.

03:17:12.360 I think there was a longer version of it.

03:17:16.540 But I don't know.

03:17:17.300 It occurs to me like, so I think women really want men who can lead.

03:17:21.840 But the feminism mind virus is you want a leader, but you don't want to follow.

03:17:29.500 It's so hard for you guys to understand equality.

03:17:31.660 Like both people can meet each other.

03:17:33.200 No, that doesn't.

03:17:34.420 Hold on.

03:17:35.000 But do you want a guy to take initiative on the first date?

03:17:38.400 Like you want a guy to ask you out?

03:17:39.840 Yeah, but ideally I take initiative in other aspects.

03:17:42.140 What other aspects?

03:17:43.720 I make him feel good about himself.

03:17:45.540 I compliment him.

03:17:45.820 He should do that too.

03:17:46.740 He should do that too.

03:17:47.500 It's not leadership.

03:17:48.260 That's just complimenting someone.

03:17:49.180 That's not.

03:17:49.480 Yeah, exactly.

03:17:49.840 I take leadership in the household.

03:17:50.220 I agree.

03:17:50.640 That's not leadership.

03:17:51.680 Huh?

03:17:52.420 Are you talking about marriage or in dating?

03:17:54.980 What are we talking about?

03:17:55.800 Well, obviously it starts somewhere, right?

03:17:58.080 So you demand leadership for the first three months of your relationship?

03:18:02.140 I don't think anybody should be a leader here.

03:18:04.040 I think they should both be working together as a team.

03:18:06.780 Yeah, but hold on.

03:18:07.960 There's a leader in everything.

03:18:09.440 You want the guy to take the massive...

03:18:12.260 A lot of women don't understand because you're in the privileged position of being sexual selectors.

03:18:18.180 You don't understand the absolutely fucking massive burden that it is for men to be the initiators in these situations

03:18:25.000 and take the lead and face the risk of just brutal rejection after rejection.

03:18:30.100 That's why you shouldn't do it the entire time.

03:18:32.380 Why would you do it the entire time?

03:18:33.000 Well, that's convenient for you to say because men have to.

03:18:35.720 But doesn't a leader delegate tasks based on their teams' assets?

03:18:37.700 Hold on.

03:18:38.020 Whatever idealistic worldview you want to claim there is, oh, men shouldn't have to.

03:18:45.040 Guess what?

03:18:45.860 Men, by default, have to.

03:18:49.440 Men say they shouldn't have to.

03:18:50.500 I have a question.

03:18:51.100 Throughout the entire relationship, they should not be being a doormat.

03:18:55.000 Okay, let me give you an example.

03:18:56.420 Generally speaking, if men just don't take the initiative ever, that's the end of their bloodline.

03:19:05.980 That's the difference between men and women.

03:19:08.040 Women, you just show up when it comes to dating.

03:19:10.500 You just have to make yourself available.

03:19:12.080 If men, if we don't make conscious effort and attempts to actually approach women, pursue women,

03:19:20.800 that's the end of your bloodline.

03:19:22.240 You're fucked.

03:19:23.400 Women, you just, dozens of men sliding into your head.

03:19:26.520 If you're an ugly girl and you just roll out of the bed.

03:19:28.900 Not even true.

03:19:29.800 And you don't take care of yourself.

03:19:30.380 Even ugly women.

03:19:31.460 Okay, yeah, sure.

03:19:32.180 They get fucked but not married.

03:19:33.120 Yeah, they're not, yeah, thank you.

03:19:34.160 At least they can get that, though.

03:19:34.980 They're getting fucked, though.

03:19:35.800 Every single day.

03:19:36.420 No.

03:19:37.740 The same amount of men get married, the same amount of women and men get married because

03:19:41.540 you have to have two, a man and a woman, to get married.

03:19:43.940 Like, I don't, it's not.

03:19:45.500 Okay, can I ask a question as a woman?

03:19:48.180 If you have a man that asks you on a date, wants to pay for that date, opens the door

03:19:53.840 for you, treats you right, continues to treat you right, and take care of you for six months,

03:19:57.820 asks you to marry me.

03:19:58.600 Marry him.

03:19:58.900 And you trust him, love him, respect him, and he, and you can agree that he's the leader.

03:20:04.080 What is the problem with him being the leader if you trust his decisions?

03:20:08.920 If I trust his decisions and he's a good person, he can lead, whatever.

03:20:12.380 But you're like, I trust you this whole time.

03:20:14.420 I trusted you until we got married.

03:20:15.880 I trust you now that we're married.

03:20:16.920 But now I want to have some control over some situations.

03:20:19.940 Why can't you say I'm willing to relinquish control because I trust that whatever your decision

03:20:24.380 is, it's for the best for me because you love me.

03:20:27.280 If you have a loving relationship with a husband who respects you and genuinely sees the value

03:20:32.140 in you, then yeah, there's no problem.

03:20:33.780 If you submit to him, he's not going to abuse you.

03:20:35.960 Okay, so then as a woman, I'm saying that I do not, there's no, there's no area in my

03:20:40.040 home where I need to override my husband and say, I would like the authority here because

03:20:44.380 why?

03:20:45.040 I don't trust you.

03:20:46.100 I don't think you're going to make the right decision.

03:20:47.800 I would assume your husband's probably good to you.

03:20:49.860 He's very good.

03:20:50.380 That's what we're saying.

03:20:51.040 That's what we're saying.

03:20:51.620 Do you guys assume you never have ideas and he loves and respects me enough to allow me to pursue

03:20:57.100 them?

03:20:57.200 Do you assume every single husband is going to be good in a marriage?

03:21:01.040 I have all kinds of ideas and my husband is so amazing and respectful and loving that

03:21:05.720 he lets me do whatever I want.

03:21:08.460 I'm literally not controlled because I give my husband control and he loves and respects

03:21:15.140 me so much, he says whatever you want, baby.

03:21:17.480 So you're suggesting that every single woman in the world in order to avoid abuse and control

03:21:22.080 should relinquish control of this?

03:21:23.380 No, I'm not suggesting that.

03:21:24.500 Why are all these abusive men?

03:21:25.400 I'm asking you what the problem is.

03:21:26.600 Are you suggesting abusive men don't exist?

03:21:28.600 No, I'm not at all.

03:21:30.020 Not at all.

03:21:30.940 But why are all these, why are all of these men that we're talking about supposedly abusive

03:21:36.600 and horrible people?

03:21:38.160 Like there are so many good quality men out here and we're going back to the fact where

03:21:42.140 men get shit on.

03:21:44.320 And that's the point.

03:21:45.260 Your entire podcast is shitting on girls.

03:21:47.520 What do you mean?

03:21:49.960 Straw men?

03:21:50.880 Straw men.

03:21:51.260 It's not a straw man, it's the same thing.

03:21:52.460 It actually is.

03:21:53.100 Hold on.

03:21:53.680 We can get into that.

03:21:54.500 I'm not shitting on all men.

03:21:55.100 Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

03:21:57.820 I feel like you guys aren't shitting on all women.

03:22:00.300 You think that being argued with means you're getting shit on.

03:22:03.140 No, I don't.

03:22:03.840 Yeah.

03:22:04.180 If you say equip towards someone, they say equip back, suddenly that's out of bounds.

03:22:10.380 No, completely disagree.

03:22:11.580 Completely.

03:22:11.960 Well, then that's all that's happened.

03:22:13.200 To agree with her.

03:22:13.820 That whole time you've been here.

03:22:15.120 Okay, so what's the problem?

03:22:17.040 I don't.

03:22:17.600 Okay, hold on.

03:22:18.540 There's two different conversations.

03:22:19.760 We're not shitting on you.

03:22:20.600 Hold on.

03:22:20.980 Your entire podcast is talking about how women are like.

03:22:24.100 Let me bring it back to the actual conversation instead of this devolving into a further fucking

03:22:29.560 meta conversations.

03:22:31.100 Jesus Christ.

03:22:32.080 Put your mic back to the, can you put your mic back, please?

03:22:37.700 Okay.

03:22:38.880 To your point.

03:22:39.680 Can we try to keep the conversations to like normal?

03:22:46.140 Sex?

03:22:47.400 Are you fucking arse-lurred?

03:22:49.700 What?

03:22:50.980 Can we keep the conversation within like, let's not go into like abnormal situations.

03:22:58.200 I don't.

03:22:58.740 Like, I don't see.

03:22:59.540 Okay.

03:23:00.020 Should a woman follow an abusive man?

03:23:02.220 No.

03:23:02.700 Are you happy?

03:23:03.320 Okay, now let's talk about within the confines of normal, healthy relationships.

03:23:07.940 Forget abusive.

03:23:08.500 Aren't women to follow.

03:23:09.260 Forget abusive.

03:23:10.120 But there are a lot of men who are like substandard and don't know how to treat a girl right.

03:23:13.480 I'll give it to you.

03:23:14.200 Don't follow abusive men.

03:23:15.480 I 100% agree.

03:23:16.620 Don't follow shitty guy either.

03:23:17.980 Cool.

03:23:18.540 I agree with you.

03:23:19.320 Or a financially lawyer.

03:23:19.520 Now let's talk about normal, healthy relationships.

03:23:22.540 Yeah.

03:23:22.740 Let's keep it focused here.

03:23:24.020 I think they both should be listening to each other though.

03:23:26.620 Okay, so why do you have to bring up this like scenario?

03:23:28.660 What if the man fucking murders you?

03:23:31.200 Should you follow him then?

03:23:32.580 Every woman who's combative or has an opinion or disagrees or whatever, like you're a bad

03:23:38.640 girl if you don't submit to your husband in total, in totality.

03:23:42.280 Do you want a guy who's dominant?

03:23:44.520 No.

03:23:45.000 Not necessarily.

03:23:45.320 Do you want a soy boy?

03:23:46.440 No.

03:23:46.860 I don't want either.

03:23:47.860 So what do you want?

03:23:48.820 I want a guy who sees me as a human.

03:23:50.500 She wants a traditional liberal feminist man.

03:23:54.180 Good luck.

03:23:55.020 Good luck.

03:23:55.320 Good luck.

03:23:55.380 The guy you really like and have been dating for a while gets into firearms.

03:24:00.180 He goes and buys a 500 S&W, AR-15, and Benelli M4.

03:24:05.380 He says he wants to teach you firearm safety and how to shoot.

03:24:08.960 Red flag?

03:24:11.060 No, that's a green flag.

03:24:12.780 Okay, really quick, going around the table on this.

03:24:14.620 Go ahead.

03:24:15.680 Nick, I want you to find that.

03:24:16.640 There's a video.

03:24:17.240 There's this woman who was in a car.

03:24:19.720 It went viral a couple months ago.

03:24:21.560 We pulled it up.

03:24:22.780 She was like, she's like a progressive woman.

03:24:25.200 And she's like, well, why can't I find, like, Democrat, progressive, liberal, feminist men

03:24:31.660 who want to pay for dates and who are, like, masculine and traditional?

03:24:36.020 Can you find that video, please?

03:24:37.200 We're going to react to that.

03:24:38.140 She completely is not dating her.

03:24:39.500 Okay, you're dating a guy.

03:24:40.600 You really like him.

03:24:41.980 He gets into firearms.

03:24:43.260 He buys an AR-15.

03:24:45.460 He wants to teach you firearm safety.

03:24:47.360 Is it a red flag?

03:24:48.560 No.

03:24:49.300 I would totally agree with that.

03:24:50.400 Can you pull the microphone to the edge of the table, please?

03:24:52.540 Guns, a gun's weird, but not a red flag for him to want to teach me how to shoot one if

03:24:56.600 it's for safety.

03:24:58.060 No, it's not weird.

03:24:59.560 Marry him immediately.

03:25:02.360 No, I wouldn't say it's a red flag.

03:25:04.620 Like, biggest turn on.

03:25:06.760 It's not a red flag.

03:25:07.920 Okay.

03:25:11.180 It's just, like, I'm getting frustrated because so often is it the case that we're trying

03:25:15.760 to have, like, a conversation about dating, and then it devolves into, well, what should

03:25:21.340 you do in the event that one of the people is abusive?

03:25:24.540 Okay, we can talk about that.

03:25:26.400 But, like, what about the majority of relationships that I would say, which are, they don't always

03:25:31.940 go to...

03:25:32.260 I don't think the majority of people engage in healthy relationships.

03:25:33.880 Hold on.

03:25:34.360 You think the...

03:25:35.040 But hold on.

03:25:35.900 Do you think the majority of relationships are abusive?

03:25:38.700 No, but I do think it's obviously going to help you.

03:25:40.380 So then, sure.

03:25:41.260 Summer Pickle donated $200.

03:25:44.060 I'm enjoying Ivory's reactions to this drama.

03:25:46.920 It just, it serves to derail the actual, like, conversation we're trying to have.

03:25:55.000 Nick, do you have the video?

03:25:55.900 No.

03:25:56.740 Okay.

03:25:57.460 We had, let me read these chats here.

03:26:00.280 We have Blake, Black Flame Nova.

03:26:02.600 I think you sent this as a Streamlabs message also.

03:26:06.060 Here's for having to pull up with so much in these modern times and revealing so much

03:26:09.780 that traditional fathers warned us about onto the topic.

03:26:12.040 If he was a racist, he wouldn't even give you a peck.

03:26:15.640 You sent this, I think, also as a Streamlabs thing.

03:26:18.420 That shows some interest.

03:26:19.400 It was definitely preference.

03:26:20.300 Okay.

03:26:20.620 Hey, Black Flame Nova.

03:26:21.720 Thank you, man.

03:26:23.420 Daniel W., the ladies don't understand respect in their mind.

03:26:25.760 Respect is to kiss their ass and then let them make decisions if they decide against men,

03:26:31.140 should just accept it.

03:26:32.340 What is abuse?

03:26:33.080 Curious what these ladies think it is.

03:26:34.440 Oh, my God.

03:26:35.800 What it is, emotional abuse seems to be the scapegoat most of the time.

03:26:39.660 It does.

03:26:40.500 It's true.

03:26:41.120 For the record, I don't think it's all of us that are going towards that route.

03:26:49.680 I think it's the majority of us that aren't.

03:26:53.920 Going towards what route?

03:26:55.480 The emotional abuse.

03:26:56.460 I honestly think it's just you.

03:26:58.460 Oh, I think people are just toxic.

03:27:01.340 Are you toxic?

03:27:02.140 Generalization, all people?

03:27:02.860 You're perfect, right?

03:27:03.940 You've never done anything wrong in a relationship.

03:27:05.840 I've definitely been toxic in a relationship.

03:27:07.320 How?

03:27:07.500 That's why I broke up with them.

03:27:08.620 How were you toxic?

03:27:09.340 I was talking to another person at the same time.

03:27:14.040 Okay, so you're a cheater.

03:27:15.420 Well, I wasn't.

03:27:16.340 I didn't do anything.

03:27:18.300 Hold on.

03:27:18.600 Oh.

03:27:19.120 To me, it was...

03:27:19.620 That's not cheating?

03:27:20.560 That's emotional cheating, then.

03:27:22.040 To me, it is.

03:27:22.060 Exactly.

03:27:22.580 It's toxic.

03:27:23.320 That's why I broke up, right?

03:27:24.940 Because it's toxic.

03:27:26.380 But a lot of people wouldn't break up.

03:27:26.600 And then did you go and fuck the guy you were talking to?

03:27:28.960 No.

03:27:29.500 But a lot of guys, a lot of people wouldn't...

03:27:32.040 Oh, I...

03:27:32.780 Sorry.

03:27:33.280 Hold on.

03:27:33.480 Oh, you did?

03:27:34.220 Later.

03:27:34.760 But like, it was like a year later.

03:27:37.100 It was a year later, and when I broke up with the guy, we were not talking.

03:27:39.920 Gotcha, bitch.

03:27:40.560 So just to put that, it was a year later, and when I broke up with the guy, we were not

03:27:44.020 talking at the time.

03:27:45.140 So I broke up with the guy solely based on the fact that I felt bad that I had feelings

03:27:49.240 for somebody else.

03:27:51.640 Huh.

03:27:52.420 Interesting how that works out.

03:27:53.780 Have you ever been in an emotionally or physically abusive relationship?

03:27:56.980 No, but I've seen them.

03:27:58.580 Okay, well, I have, so if anyone has questions, I've been physically abused by a man, so I

03:28:02.460 have authority.

03:28:03.900 Like, big time she has.

03:28:04.840 Although I think we should move on, because those aren't the majority of relationships.

03:28:08.040 Do you think I have?

03:28:08.940 Like, why do you ask?

03:28:09.860 Because you talk about it.

03:28:10.760 You talk about it a lot.

03:28:11.020 I kind of feel like maybe were you physically abusive?

03:28:13.600 No, I, no.

03:28:15.360 No?

03:28:15.760 No, not at all.

03:28:16.860 It's kind of like the question I asked you.

03:28:18.820 Eh, a little different.

03:28:19.900 A little different.

03:28:20.640 I've seen people be physically abusive in relationships.

03:28:23.760 This panel sucks.

03:28:25.400 Typical women, as usual.

03:28:27.600 Yo, Max, who is the Asian girl in the back, never says a word, best type of woman, I'm rich

03:28:32.400 and single, look me up, patient drive.

03:28:33.960 See, and then you're going to expect a guy like that to get a girl who's submissive and

03:28:37.720 nice.

03:28:38.000 Ted ass.

03:28:39.500 I don't even know this guy.

03:28:40.600 Okay, but that's my, there's a problem with men too, is my point.

03:28:43.780 That's it.

03:28:44.660 And that, that, that's one of them.

03:28:45.720 I don't think he disagrees.

03:28:46.560 There's a problem with men and women.

03:28:47.420 He's saying women should just shut up and not say anything.

03:28:49.300 Did he say that?

03:28:49.960 I'm not sure yet.

03:28:50.640 I don't think he thinks that.

03:28:51.340 No, he didn't.

03:28:52.160 He has men, he has women.

03:28:53.920 That man definitely said that.

03:28:56.060 Don't offend that man.

03:28:56.880 He definitely just said that.

03:28:57.740 Never says a word, the best type of woman.

03:28:59.740 Yeah, he definitely said that.

03:29:01.160 Wait, what's wrong with liking us?

03:29:03.160 He can like whatever he wants.

03:29:04.300 An introverted, an introverted, I, me personally, I think silence is golden.

03:29:07.840 I don't like to talk either.

03:29:09.640 I don't want to be yapping to my partner or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

03:29:13.360 He's saying he needs a girl to just talk to me.

03:29:13.640 No, let's just like shut the fuck up and watch Breaking Bad.

03:29:16.420 That's my ideal.

03:29:17.480 Fuck it, bro.

03:29:17.880 Let's watch Breaking Bad.

03:29:18.760 Let's watch Fallout.

03:29:20.240 Fallout was, has, who's seen Fallout?

03:29:22.300 I have.

03:29:22.980 Fucking mid.

03:29:23.840 Super mid.

03:29:24.440 Yeah.

03:29:24.860 Very mid show.

03:29:26.540 Game of Thrones.

03:29:27.700 Oh, Game of Thrones.

03:29:28.340 Game of Thrones.

03:29:28.780 Yeah, but you get a girl like that by treating her well.

03:29:30.700 I found the video.

03:29:31.360 Okay, you found the video?

03:29:33.400 Well, I mean, unless she has problems.

03:29:34.720 Okay, we'll see.

03:29:35.740 We'll see how to go.

03:29:36.220 Then she needs therapy.

03:29:37.440 Oh, okay.

03:29:37.900 I think this is it.

03:29:38.600 Yeah, this is it.

03:29:39.160 Good job.

03:29:39.820 People are multifaceted.

03:29:41.000 Good job.

03:29:41.920 All right, start from the beginning if you can.

03:29:43.540 Do you want to know one of the saddest realizations I recently had?

03:29:47.320 Sorry, I was so bad.

03:29:47.820 As a liberal woman, it is really hard to find a man who is willing to play the more traditional

03:29:54.280 masculine role in the relationship in today's day and age, who is not a conservative.

03:29:59.720 A man who wants to pay on the first date, who wants to open your door, who has that want

03:30:04.900 and desire to take care of you and to provide, who is not a conservative.

03:30:09.380 And obviously, as a liberal woman, I do want to be respected for my independence, and I

03:30:13.480 do want to have my own autonomy in the relationship and not be confined or conformed to the traditional

03:30:19.240 female homemaker childbearing role.

03:30:23.760 And most of the men that I've dated who do have that more natural provider masculinity

03:30:28.540 about them are normally conservative.

03:30:31.180 So I don't really know what to do because I don't want to compromise my morals and values

03:30:35.620 just to find a man.

03:30:37.340 But am I asking to have my cake and eat it too?

03:30:40.580 Yes.

03:30:41.360 Do you want to know one of the saddest...

03:30:43.000 Wait, you disagree?

03:30:43.680 This is your position.

03:30:44.980 No, I just disagree with her.

03:30:46.100 I don't know how she's having a hard time finding a guy to, like, sorry, to, like, you

03:30:50.780 know, take her out on a date and treat her nicely.

03:30:52.900 I don't know.

03:30:53.260 Hold on.

03:30:54.140 That's not what she said.

03:30:55.220 They're all abusive.

03:30:56.280 Wait, hold on.

03:30:56.820 Just a question.

03:30:57.380 She said pay on the first date.

03:30:58.220 Just a question.

03:30:59.000 If a guy doesn't pay for a girl on the first date, is that treating her poorly?

03:31:04.040 No.

03:31:04.180 Treating her not nicely?

03:31:05.180 Well, you said treating her nicely.

03:31:06.840 Well, she said two things, right?

03:31:08.380 She said that he doesn't pay for the date and whatever, and then also he takes care of

03:31:12.880 her and he's, like, whatever.

03:31:13.860 So, like, a traditionally masculine man?

03:31:16.040 Yeah, she speaks specifically about masculinity, right?

03:31:19.520 Well, I mean, I don't know.

03:31:20.920 She says it's really hard for you to find masculinity.

03:31:22.660 Are you suggesting that liberal men cannot care about their...

03:31:26.280 Well, we're not saying...

03:31:27.460 I'm not...

03:31:27.920 Listen, whenever you build anything that I say into a monolith, right, this, that, I

03:31:34.960 mean, you can if you want, but I'm just always going to point out to you that I don't

03:31:39.900 ever say all.

03:31:41.160 Never saying all.

03:31:42.440 Okay.

03:31:42.720 We're talking in generalities here.

03:31:45.300 You're saying most liberal men.

03:31:46.360 I wouldn't even say most.

03:31:47.680 I would just say there's a lot more men who follow a conservative ideology who probably

03:31:52.560 come off as being more traditionally masculine.

03:31:55.520 And this...

03:31:56.460 Okay.

03:31:56.840 This is what seems to be what we receive when we talk to women and we do those polls where

03:32:01.760 we never ask anybody anything, but we do.

03:32:04.260 And when we do, they seem to claim the same thing, that conservatives have more traditionally

03:32:09.380 masculine features and values.

03:32:10.220 See, you just referenced something I said before, but I said that about Christianity, not about

03:32:13.820 women.

03:32:14.520 I think most liberal men are now women also.

03:32:17.480 No, I think most liberal men are still able to do...

03:32:20.280 What is a woman?

03:32:20.820 A lot of things.

03:32:22.380 Oh, no.

03:32:22.460 However, I think a lot of women want...

03:32:24.460 No one knows.

03:32:25.200 I don't subscribe to this, but I think a lot of women want somebody who's extremely dominant

03:32:30.760 and does lead them in all of these different facets.

03:32:34.040 But then they call it toxic masculinity, and they say it's yuck.

03:32:37.860 A man that wants to lead is not...

03:32:39.760 They don't want the toxic masculinity.

03:32:41.760 I love the toxic masculinity.

03:32:42.660 I just said I don't subscribe to it, right?

03:32:44.600 I don't want that.

03:32:45.360 I want somebody who views me as equal and treats me properly, and I don't want somebody...

03:32:49.020 But you don't, though.

03:32:49.180 You don't.

03:32:49.200 You don't really.

03:32:50.260 I do, though.

03:32:50.980 But you said you want the initial months of the relationship.

03:32:54.320 No, the first date he can pay for.

03:32:55.760 It sounded like there's more stuff than that.

03:32:57.360 The first date he can pay for.

03:32:58.680 If we go out on another date after that, and then he takes me on like three or four dates,

03:33:02.740 and he's constantly paying.

03:33:03.820 At some point, I'm going to be like, listen, I think we should split, right?

03:33:06.300 I think it's fair.

03:33:07.160 I'll give you that.

03:33:07.620 Split or would you pay?

03:33:08.140 You wouldn't pay?

03:33:09.020 No, I would split with him.

03:33:09.960 Why wouldn't you pay?

03:33:11.720 It's equal.

03:33:12.980 I'm just sorry.

03:33:13.600 You said your country.

03:33:14.560 I think you're meaning you give 100% of what you can give, and the man gives 100% of what

03:33:19.540 he can give, but we're not equal.

03:33:21.240 Like they said about the war thing, you're not going to want to get drafted to war.

03:33:24.800 You're not going to want to spend all your money.

03:33:27.620 You'd flee.

03:33:27.880 Yeah, I would leave the country.

03:33:28.600 I wouldn't blame a man for leaving the country either.

03:33:30.580 Okay, so on the first date...

03:33:31.840 Would you consider her masculine?

03:33:32.740 I mean, no, but I wouldn't blame him, and I'd still marry him.

03:33:35.100 But that's toxic.

03:33:36.320 No, it's not.

03:33:37.100 How is it not toxic?

03:33:38.660 Oh, my gosh.

03:33:39.380 Because you're, I mean, you're asking me if I would consider it masculine according to

03:33:43.300 your definition of masculine, right?

03:33:44.460 Your definition of masculine.

03:33:45.760 My definition of masculine, then no.

03:33:47.380 I don't think it's not masculine.

03:33:47.680 Then what's your definition?

03:33:48.860 I just got to know.

03:33:50.700 What do you think the difference is from your definition of masculine to mine?

03:33:56.080 I think your definition of masculine is more toxic.

03:33:59.560 For a generation of women that can't seem to find a good man, they sure spend a lot of

03:34:04.340 time married and or pregnant.

03:34:06.320 If you don't trust a man, why the hell would you marry him?

03:34:09.440 I agree.

03:34:10.420 That's valid.

03:34:11.400 I agree.

03:34:12.760 Why are you dating him in the first place?

03:34:13.860 Well put, dark omen 42.

03:34:16.180 Thank you, man.

03:34:16.860 I appreciate it.

03:34:17.700 Okay, I have a question about equality.

03:34:20.520 So you're on the first date.

03:34:22.080 I don't care who pays.

03:34:23.240 On the way home, the tire, you get a flat tire.

03:34:26.460 Do you equally go out and change the tire?

03:34:28.260 No.

03:34:28.520 Whose car is it?

03:34:29.580 Oh, wait.

03:34:30.020 Oh, my gosh.

03:34:30.400 It's your car.

03:34:31.260 It's your car.

03:34:31.900 If it's my car, then I'm changing the tire.

03:34:33.280 Oh, my word.

03:34:33.720 You can't change a tire.

03:34:36.000 I've changed my own tires.

03:34:38.560 Can you change a tire?

03:34:39.600 I misunderstood the question.

03:34:41.280 Yeah, yeah.

03:34:41.860 I thought you were asking who's paying for the tire.

03:34:43.080 Okay, can you change a tire?

03:34:44.600 No, I'm not changing the tire.

03:34:46.060 No, I said who's getting out in the rain and changing the tire.

03:34:48.960 Okay, I did not realize what you meant.

03:34:50.700 Let's look, because you said the first date.

03:34:54.140 So just so I understand your position, so, and if the panel will allow me, I want to do

03:34:59.820 a bit of a back and forth here.

03:35:01.580 So if I understand your position, the sole thing that is perhaps unequal in what you

03:35:08.020 desire is just that you want the guy to pay for the first date and that's it?

03:35:12.520 Is that the only thing?

03:35:13.260 It's not just, I would say the man needs to pursue initially.

03:35:15.760 That's probably the only thing.

03:35:16.640 Okay, so, but let's go into that and some of the other things.

03:35:18.900 So, do you want the guy to, have you ever had a man approach you in person?

03:35:24.240 Yes.

03:35:25.020 And are you on dating apps?

03:35:26.680 Yes.

03:35:27.360 Okay.

03:35:27.960 Wait, do we have a dating app review we have to do?

03:35:29.760 Whose is that?

03:35:30.320 Is it hers?

03:35:30.580 That was hers.

03:35:31.500 Oh, okay, we'll do that in a sec.

03:35:32.540 We'll do that in a sec.

03:35:33.860 Not now.

03:35:34.900 So.

03:35:35.620 I'm not really, yeah, anyway.

03:35:36.900 Okay, do you want the man to either approach you or send the first message if you match

03:35:42.860 on a dating app?

03:35:44.660 Yes.

03:35:45.180 Okay, unequal.

03:35:46.360 Do you want the man to, like I assume, for example, let's say he does, hold on, hold on,

03:35:50.640 hold on.

03:35:50.900 I sent the first message on Bumble.

03:35:52.300 Yeah.

03:35:52.560 Okay.

03:35:53.400 Hold on.

03:35:53.940 I literally sent you on Bumble.

03:35:54.900 Let me get into that, though, because Bumble, hold on, on Bumble, the very funny thing,

03:36:00.160 as somebody who used Bumble for a very long time, hold on, let me, okay, the very funny

03:36:04.820 thing with Bumble is that while, yes, technically women do have to send the first message, what

03:36:10.820 women, the vast majority of women on Bumble do is they will send a token first message and

03:36:18.160 immediately relinquish the conversational burden onto the man and the way, hold on, no, no,

03:36:24.740 no, no, no, no, no, most, no, most women on Bumble will just say, hey, and then they

03:36:30.160 shuck the rest of the conversational burden on the man.

03:36:34.400 They're not going to ask for the first date.

03:36:36.520 They're not going to carry the conversation.

03:36:37.700 They're not going to move things forward.

03:36:38.920 They're not going to solicit the number.

03:36:40.380 Doesn't apply to all women.

03:36:41.600 I'm not saying all women.

03:36:42.600 I'm saying most.

03:36:43.560 However, I would say on Tinder, the men do the same thing.

03:36:49.640 Yes, and women hate it.

03:36:50.820 The difference is, though, if, as women, because this is how women have dating on easy

03:36:55.300 mode, if you just send a, hey, on Bumble, since that's a majority of what men get, we

03:37:00.420 run with it and immediately we will take on the burden and responsibility.

03:37:06.660 No, what happens is, hey, how are you?

03:37:07.780 Well, I think it changed, right?

03:37:09.920 What?

03:37:10.500 And then it's just small talk.

03:37:11.240 What are you on?

03:37:12.480 What's up?

03:37:13.500 Well, that's because.

03:37:14.220 What are you doing today?

03:37:15.100 Those are subpar men, though.

03:37:16.980 What's your typical opener?

03:37:18.480 Hey, right?

03:37:19.300 No, I mean, I don't know.

03:37:20.180 I'd probably, I look through their profile and then I reference something in their profile.

03:37:23.700 That's usually what I tend to do.

03:37:24.340 Okay, that's fair.

03:37:25.340 Now, so more often than not, though, when it comes to approaching, are you doing the

03:37:32.320 approaching or is the man doing the approaching?

03:37:33.980 And what would you prefer?

03:37:34.840 I've approached in the past, for sure.

03:37:36.660 Okay, more often than not, who's approaching?

03:37:37.640 I definitely prefer it when the man approaches.

03:37:39.020 You prefer when the man approaches.

03:37:40.340 What about carrying and leading the conversation?

03:37:43.140 Like, because a guy can't just.

03:37:44.160 Both people should be doing that.

03:37:44.840 Well, hold on.

03:37:45.200 But the guy can't just walk up to you in a grocery store, for example, or Trader Joe's

03:37:49.160 and just say, hey, right?

03:37:51.360 Why not?

03:37:53.000 Really?

03:37:53.660 I mean, why?

03:37:55.680 Because then you would just say, hey, and it falls on deaf ears.

03:37:58.840 Do you realize the burden of conversation?

03:38:00.680 Like, if I just shut the fuck up right now.

03:38:02.200 I didn't realize that's what you meant, literally.

03:38:03.600 Like, you were just like, oh, hey.

03:38:05.080 Like, that's it.

03:38:05.760 No, like, and he was trying to, and he stood there.

03:38:07.940 Right.

03:38:08.280 I didn't realize that's what you meant.

03:38:09.600 That'd be ridiculous.

03:38:10.580 Right.

03:38:10.860 So the burden of conversation, whether it's on a dating app or in person,

03:38:14.360 at least initially, like, if somebody approaches me and they just say, hi.

03:38:19.820 Yeah, that's weird.

03:38:20.860 It's weird.

03:38:21.380 Actually, in a business context, too, this fucking annoys me when people just text me,

03:38:25.760 hi, or hey.

03:38:27.380 I'm like, just ask your fucking question.

03:38:29.480 There's actually a website about this called Know Hello, where it's like, it's, anyways,

03:38:35.380 we're not going to dive into that.

03:38:36.940 What about, you match with somebody on a dating app or they approach you, who do you want to

03:38:41.540 solicit the first date?

03:38:43.620 Like, hey, oh, I'd like to see you again.

03:38:45.100 Can I get your number?

03:38:47.240 After the first date, I mean?

03:38:48.320 No, no, no, no, no.

03:38:49.000 So you're still talking, either on a dating app or you've been approached in person.

03:38:54.100 Who should solicit for the phone number?

03:38:56.000 Okay.

03:38:56.640 Who should solicit for the first date?

03:38:58.700 The man.

03:38:59.560 Okay.

03:38:59.980 Now, who should set up the date?

03:39:02.560 He gets your number.

03:39:04.240 He texts, he's texting you.

03:39:05.940 Who should, like, try to move things forward and set the date up?

03:39:08.760 Ideally him.

03:39:09.600 Ideally him.

03:39:10.400 Okay.

03:39:10.800 This is so hard for you, I know.

03:39:11.860 No, I'm just, I have a message.

03:39:12.800 It's men every time.

03:39:14.020 So, now, let's say, let's say you have to cancel on the guy.

03:39:22.740 Let me, okay, let's say you cancel on the guy.

03:39:24.560 How are you going to frame that message to him?

03:39:27.840 Sorry, I can't make it.

03:39:30.140 I'm not feeling well.

03:39:31.300 Do you mind?

03:39:31.600 Oh, my God.

03:39:32.760 Really?

03:39:33.340 You're just going to?

03:39:35.560 You can't?

03:39:36.200 You can't?

03:39:36.820 Really?

03:39:37.340 You're just going to run away?

03:39:39.580 I'm in the middle of a convo threat.

03:39:41.460 In her defense, she was already not feeling well.

03:39:44.600 Well, at least let me finish the convo threat.

03:39:47.480 Get her a Gatorade or something.

03:39:48.920 I don't know.

03:39:49.300 It's not going to help, but, yeah, what were you saying?

03:39:51.900 Are you pregnant or something?

03:39:53.640 Yeah, sure.

03:39:54.520 Celibate for seven months, but pregnant.

03:39:56.140 Okay.

03:39:57.040 I don't know.

03:39:58.960 Okay.

03:40:00.720 Well, she said she was celibate until we asked her a couple of questions.

03:40:04.980 I think she knows what celibacy is.

03:40:06.480 So.

03:40:07.740 Repeat the question.

03:40:08.640 Yes, I'll repeat the question.

03:40:09.560 Let's say the guy sets up the date with you, and this is a frequent occurrence when it comes to trying to plan dates with people.

03:40:16.500 Let's say you have to cancel the date.

03:40:18.080 How do you, what do you pretend, you know, what's the text you send?

03:40:21.560 I'm worried she's going to throw up.

03:40:22.660 Can someone just get her a Gatorade?

03:40:23.460 Hold on.

03:40:23.720 Just let her answer.

03:40:24.540 Just please.

03:40:24.940 I usually don't cancel on the date.

03:40:26.320 Let's just say, have you ever canceled?

03:40:27.860 I'd probably make up an, no, I haven't, but I'd probably make up an excuse.

03:40:30.560 Like, I don't know, something just came up and.

03:40:33.220 No, let's say something actually.

03:40:34.360 My cat, my cat's sick or something.

03:40:35.120 No, you're not trying to get out of the date.

03:40:36.120 Let's just say something genuinely, you have a work thing come up or something.

03:40:40.500 Mm-hmm.

03:40:41.200 Okay, tell me how you would cancel.

03:40:43.160 Tell them, I'm so sorry, I have a work thing.

03:40:45.160 Oh, so you don't do the courteous thing, which would be to, hey, I'm so sorry I can't, this

03:40:49.540 is a thing often women do when they cancel dates, hey, I'm so sorry I can't make it, you

03:40:53.600 don't counter.

03:40:54.460 This is an etiquette, courtesy thing.

03:40:56.300 If you have to cancel a plan, the courteous thing is, etiquette thing is, to offer a counter,

03:41:00.660 oh, hey, I can't do today, but are you free next Wednesday?

03:41:03.420 I would.

03:41:03.720 Most people, eh, you say that, but most people don't do that.

03:41:05.720 Well, if I genuinely didn't want to cancel the date, I'd be like, yeah, let's reschedule.

03:41:09.020 Oh, and then the burden goes back onto the guy to then follow up with you, right?

03:41:15.660 I think you're making a lot of assumptions.

03:41:17.380 I usually would be like, okay, let's try next week instead, right?

03:41:20.580 Okay, so then, but you're going to have him want to set up that second date, right?

03:41:26.460 No, if the first date was canceled, and then we have to go on to another date, we're rescheduling,

03:41:33.560 and he, whatever, it doesn't matter if we're working together at this point to figure out

03:41:38.300 the logistics, because he's already, he's already, he's already, no, because he's already

03:41:42.680 made his move, he's already said, look, I'm interested in you, that's really all that

03:41:45.800 really, that's, I, eh, that seems dubious, but okay, okay, so now you're, let's say you're

03:41:50.800 on the date, who has the burden of caring, leading the conversation on the date?

03:41:55.180 They both should, and if they don't converse well, then.

03:41:57.640 Check this out, okay, we're on a date, you and me, let's role play this, we're on a date.

03:42:01.740 Hey.

03:42:02.620 Hi, what's up, how are you?

03:42:04.920 I'm good.

03:42:06.820 Cool, that's great, I'm really glad, I'm glad for you.

03:42:11.140 You've already failed at caring and leading the conversation.

03:42:13.980 I mean, you're not leading it either.

03:42:14.940 See, I can't do what a lot of women do on a first date, which is, look to the man.

03:42:17.300 If a woman says, hey, good, that's it, and just gives you one word responses, like, that's

03:42:21.880 not, like, she's not working with you either.

03:42:23.560 I mean, she's probably not interested.

03:42:24.760 No, not necessarily, I just think that typically, when it comes to dating, women look towards

03:42:29.580 men to actually carry and lead the conversation.

03:42:31.860 If I did what a lot of women do on first dates, look, some women are gifted conversationally,

03:42:37.520 but most, if I just literally did what women did, we would just sit there in silence.

03:42:43.460 Like, maybe it's different, because I'm a bartender, so I have to talk to lots of different

03:42:47.180 people.

03:42:47.960 Well, that's also a much more social environment than, like, a prearranged date.

03:42:51.540 What a weird date, anyway, for the woman not to ask anything about you.

03:42:56.900 Yeah, I think that's strange.

03:42:58.260 I do think women have substance in their brain to ask.

03:43:00.640 I've been on so many dates.

03:43:00.760 Those are just not quality girls.

03:43:01.560 I think that you might be going after girls that are, like, genuinely, like...

03:43:04.940 I know.

03:43:06.420 Yeah.

03:43:07.020 Bottom of the barrel.

03:43:07.980 No, not really.

03:43:08.740 At least when I...

03:43:09.540 Are you sure?

03:43:09.840 Because if they don't want to ask you questions, they either don't care, or they just are stupid.

03:43:13.700 Back when I was on dating apps, and I'm, oh, okay, I'm not done.

03:43:17.320 I have more.

03:43:18.300 I have more.

03:43:19.320 Okay, so let's continue.

03:43:20.280 Right.

03:43:21.540 Now, okay, and you've already answered this, but who should...

03:43:26.520 Now, okay, let's say the date's going well.

03:43:28.320 You went to get food, or a drink, or whatever.

03:43:31.260 Who should pay for the date?

03:43:32.700 The first date, the man.

03:43:33.980 Okay.

03:43:34.660 And then, should the date end there?

03:43:38.440 It depends.

03:43:39.160 Have you ever had the date go further, like you went back to his place, he went back to

03:43:42.400 yours?

03:43:42.780 I've never done anything sexual on the first date.

03:43:45.620 Never?

03:43:46.100 No.

03:43:47.140 Have you ever hooked up with a guy the same day you met him, like at a party or some

03:43:49.840 sort of event?

03:43:50.320 No.

03:43:50.860 None of us are on OnlyFans.

03:43:52.160 So that makes things even more...

03:43:53.220 Yeah, none of us are on OnlyFans.

03:43:53.940 Hold on, women who are...

03:43:55.040 Hold on, hold on.

03:43:55.860 Women who are...

03:43:57.060 Aren't you guys from Arizona, ASU?

03:43:58.680 People be fucking, like, within 30 minutes of meeting all the fucking time.

03:44:01.360 I ain't go to ASU.

03:44:02.260 Whatever.

03:44:02.660 And yeah, it's true.

03:44:03.600 They have a big STD rate, but we are not one of those women.

03:44:07.220 Okay, so you go on a date with a guy, it goes, well...

03:44:09.140 Generalizing.

03:44:10.120 Yeah.

03:44:11.180 Well...

03:44:11.580 There's going to be a second date, right?

03:44:13.300 Ideally.

03:44:14.040 Okay, who's going to set that up?

03:44:15.180 Him or you?

03:44:16.160 I mean, if you liked the second date, I mean, the first date, then you let him know.

03:44:19.740 You say, like, hey, I had a good time.

03:44:21.400 You know, I really enjoyed myself and whatnot.

03:44:23.580 And then if he's interested, he'll keep the thing...

03:44:25.240 Ah, so the burden remains on him to initiate.

03:44:27.300 No, I just said, she just said, hey, I have a good time, and if he's also interested, then

03:44:31.380 he will respond, right?

03:44:32.680 And then they'll...

03:44:33.080 Okay, I had a good time, too.

03:44:35.120 Dot, dot, dot.

03:44:36.740 Whose burden is it now to set up a second date?

03:44:39.300 If that's all you say when a girl says, I had a really good time and I really enjoyed

03:44:42.080 it with you, then she's not going to go out on a second date, and that makes a lot

03:44:44.840 of sense.

03:44:45.140 Wait, I'm so confused.

03:44:45.980 Wait, so what you're saying...

03:44:46.480 That's why a woman wouldn't just be able to say, hey, want to go out again?

03:44:49.200 So what you're saying is, if I reciprocate exactly what you say, so what you're

03:44:53.580 basically admitting is, the initiative, the burden, hold on, let me finish, the burden

03:44:58.260 of initiative, once again, falls on the man.

03:45:01.220 Not necessarily.

03:45:01.980 If you said afterwards, that date was really good, I had a really good time, and then next

03:45:05.400 week I was like, hey, are you busy?

03:45:06.820 You want to do something again?

03:45:08.220 There's no problem.

03:45:08.500 Damn, you got to work on the game.

03:45:10.340 It's going to take you a week to go to ask the guy out?

03:45:13.520 Are you taking a girl out on a date every night?

03:45:16.200 No.

03:45:16.320 No, but you're waiting a week between messages to set up another date?

03:45:19.960 Ideally, you're talking back and forth, right?

03:45:22.000 If you're going to tell me, if a man is going to tell me, I had a really good time on the

03:45:25.620 date, I'm not just going to leave him hanging, I'm going to respond to him, and then we're

03:45:28.040 ideally going to be talking back and forth throughout the week, and then I...

03:45:30.360 Wait, did we say that in person or over text?

03:45:32.720 Okay, let's move on.

03:45:34.180 In person and over text.

03:45:35.840 So, I mean, it would seem to me that soliciting subsequent dates would also continue to fall

03:45:41.560 on the man.

03:45:42.000 What about moving things forward physically?

03:45:44.340 Who should go for the first kiss?

03:45:45.560 Ideally, the man and the woman.

03:45:51.100 I don't know.

03:45:51.580 To be honest, that one's kind of...

03:45:53.060 How many first kisses have you had, or kisses have you had?

03:45:56.180 Three.

03:45:56.700 Three?

03:45:57.280 Yeah.

03:45:57.500 Of all the first kisses have you had, who initiated it?

03:46:00.460 My first one was pretty mutual.

03:46:02.860 My second one was also pretty mutual.

03:46:04.740 And then my third one, he initiated it, and I didn't like it.

03:46:07.640 Would you have preferred if the guys took a bit more initiative on the first kiss?

03:46:11.880 No, I actually didn't like it.

03:46:13.100 Okay, well, I'll tell you this much, most men are going to have to make the first move

03:46:16.940 when it comes to going for the first kiss.

03:46:18.680 What about moving things forward sexually?

03:46:20.880 I honestly, I'd rather, my personal preferences, I'd rather develop a deep relationship with

03:46:25.780 someone before getting into that sexual stuff.

03:46:27.300 Ah, so okay, so he's going to have to carry this for a long time then.

03:46:30.620 So let's assume you're there, though.

03:46:31.360 Which is why it's pretty hard for me to find somebody, because a lot of men don't want

03:46:34.200 to do that.

03:46:35.600 Well, aren't you a feminist?

03:46:36.640 Why would you want to wait to have sex?

03:46:38.840 I do think some of your views are contradicting right there.

03:46:41.460 Not really.

03:46:41.860 I guess you could be a feminist and not want to fuck people right away.

03:46:45.780 That's fair.

03:46:46.280 Okay.

03:46:47.160 But let's talk about when it comes to, let's talk about physicality, right?

03:46:51.360 Okay.

03:46:51.880 Okay.

03:46:52.460 So I assume, let's say you're at that stage in the relationship where you're ready.

03:46:56.780 Would you want him to move things forward physically?

03:46:59.900 Yeah, but if you're, I'm speaking from experience at this point, if you're at a point where you

03:47:05.720 guys are already emotionally invested in each other, it's pretty mutual at that point if

03:47:09.920 anything sexually happens.

03:47:12.400 Really?

03:47:13.040 Yes.

03:47:13.360 It's pretty hard for somebody to just like, like at that point you're on the same page.

03:47:19.140 You know what I mean?

03:47:20.560 What are you looking for in a woman?

03:47:22.060 Hold on.

03:47:22.640 Hold on.

03:47:23.720 So you're saying, you're saying that like, let's say you're, do you guys have, would you

03:47:30.160 have an overt, hold on, hold on, hold on.

03:47:32.180 Would you have an overt conversation about, Hey, we've been dating for three months.

03:47:36.280 I'd like to have sexual intercourse.

03:47:37.840 Is that how the conversation would go?

03:47:39.520 No, but I'm saying if you're dating, if you're official with somebody, you're not just dating.

03:47:43.240 It's like your boyfriend and girlfriend, you're actually like together for a long time.

03:47:46.980 It's like at that point, like, yeah, there's nothing there.

03:47:51.320 It's pretty, it's just a given.

03:47:53.000 It's, I mean, shirts and clothes, bras and shirts and clothes don't just magically get

03:47:58.440 removed typically.

03:48:00.140 No, but if you have, it's mutual at that point though.

03:48:02.660 You know what I mean?

03:48:03.100 It's not like a man making the first move.

03:48:04.920 They're both doing it together.

03:48:05.980 They know what they're, I speaking, I'm speaking from experience.

03:48:08.920 Like, you know, you know what you're getting into at that point.

03:48:10.820 You know what I mean?

03:48:11.420 So you're saying you'd be the first to go and unzip his pants?

03:48:13.840 Right.

03:48:14.740 Potentially.

03:48:15.160 Yeah.

03:48:15.760 Like the first time.

03:48:16.740 Most women would feel like I'm a hussy if I'm going to go straight.

03:48:19.080 Like the first time, the first time you have sex, just so I'm clear, the first time

03:48:23.660 you'll have sex, you're like, let's say he's not making the move.

03:48:27.860 You're just going to, like, he's not trying to take your top off.

03:48:31.560 I don't know how they, okay.

03:48:34.100 It's hard to imagine.

03:48:34.620 Because, like, you say, like, how long do you wait?

03:48:37.300 Three months before you want to get intimate with somebody?

03:48:39.740 How long?

03:48:40.260 I would wait until we're official before getting intimate with anybody.

03:48:42.560 So what?

03:48:42.800 One month, two months, three months?

03:48:44.020 How long is that?

03:48:44.460 However long they think it needs to be until we're official.

03:48:46.780 I mean, I think you get a pretty good idea.

03:48:49.440 However long he thinks it should be before it becomes official?

03:48:53.380 So he's initiating the officialness?

03:48:55.100 No, it's two people.

03:48:56.100 So for me, I think three months, three months, as I was saying.

03:48:59.960 Okay.

03:49:00.060 But is there, because if you, so you want to wait, right?

03:49:02.760 So are you saying like, as soon as that conversation happens, he's like, hey, babe, I want you

03:49:06.780 to be my girlfriend.

03:49:07.740 Oh, sorry.

03:49:08.560 But you said making something official would mean that there has to be some overt, there'd

03:49:13.920 have to be some overt conversation, right?

03:49:16.080 Yes.

03:49:16.380 Making it official.

03:49:17.240 Yes.

03:49:17.460 Because I didn't, not the sex part.

03:49:19.680 That's not a conversation.

03:49:20.840 It just happens.

03:49:21.820 But it happens pretty mutually.

03:49:23.900 It happens mutually, conveniently at the precise exact same time that you go.

03:49:30.220 If you both are official and you're both dating and you're boyfriend and girlfriend, yeah,

03:49:36.600 you're just going to go kiss because that's normal.

03:49:38.420 That's what you do.

03:49:38.980 You're going to hug because it's normal.

03:49:40.180 That's what you do.

03:49:41.000 Like, it's not a man making the initiation.

03:49:43.200 So it's, look, I guess, look, it can be totally a mutual thing.

03:49:47.240 I guess there's, all right, let it go.

03:49:51.220 Let it go.

03:49:51.700 Let me, please, let me just finish.

03:49:53.040 I'm almost done.

03:49:54.140 Okay.

03:49:54.900 So you're just going to, when it comes to like moving things forward sexually, what's going

03:50:02.480 on?

03:50:04.700 You're just going to.

03:50:05.760 You're, you're, it's going to be a mutual seduction.

03:50:12.480 Yeah.

03:50:12.800 You both kiss at the same time.

03:50:14.220 You both, you both.

03:50:14.980 So you're just going to take your clothes off.

03:50:16.800 You don't want him to take your clothes off.

03:50:19.060 You both take your clothes off.

03:50:20.460 Like why?

03:50:21.060 I don't understand how it's so hard for you to understand.

03:50:23.140 If you're already boyfriend and girlfriend and it's official, it's pretty mutual.

03:50:26.880 If you're kissing.

03:50:27.480 Yeah.

03:50:27.700 In a relationship.

03:50:28.700 Yes.

03:50:28.800 The woman's going to be, you know, she's going to initiate too.

03:50:32.620 But I mean, but that's exactly, I would say like in a lot of relationships, like a lot

03:50:36.700 of women like it when the guy like takes her top off, takes her clothes off.

03:50:41.120 Okay.

03:50:41.380 A lot of women.

03:50:42.140 I would not define myself as not.

03:50:45.080 I feel like tops shouldn't come off until later down the road.

03:50:48.120 He can take my top off.

03:50:49.380 I could take my top off.

03:50:50.080 But you were married.

03:50:50.740 It really doesn't matter.

03:50:51.360 So the whole, the whole seduction.

03:50:53.240 We're talking about hookup culture.

03:50:54.580 So you're saying even the first time, the first time, the whole seduction.

03:50:58.300 Until you're married.

03:50:59.280 Guys, hold on.

03:51:00.200 So when it comes to the first time having sex, the whole seduction, it's perfectly mutual.

03:51:06.040 There's no initiative on the man's part.

03:51:08.240 It's just a totally mutual.

03:51:09.900 If you guys have, if you already have, I'm speaking from experience.

03:51:13.260 If you already have a very long-term emotional relationship set in place by long-term, I

03:51:17.640 mean like three months or longer than like, yeah, you're already official.

03:51:20.980 You guys are already dating.

03:51:22.240 So for pretty much everything besides the seduction, I think it's a bit dubious, but fine.

03:51:26.620 I'll take you.

03:51:27.140 I'll take your word for it.

03:51:28.120 Uh, it sounds like you want the man.

03:51:30.580 It took me, I belabored the fucking point.

03:51:33.640 You want the man to lead.

03:51:35.720 In the beginning.

03:51:37.100 Hold on.

03:51:37.920 That was a fuck ton of steps to get to the only point where I viewed it as kind of mutual,

03:51:44.600 which was the seduction, the sex.

03:51:46.580 Three months down the road.

03:51:47.780 That's a long time for the man to lead.

03:51:51.300 I'm saying that a man should lead on the first date with the first initiation.

03:51:56.160 After, if you guys both like the first dates, you guys should both be initiating with each

03:51:59.460 other or talking to each other, chasing, simping each other, whatever it is.

03:52:02.960 It shouldn't be one way.

03:52:04.140 And if it's one way or one person's putting in more energy, then it's not worth it for

03:52:09.340 either party.

03:52:10.080 It doesn't matter if the girl's putting in more energy than the boy or the boy's putting

03:52:12.720 in more energy than the girl.

03:52:13.600 Either way, it's not worth it.

03:52:14.680 But can I say something?

03:52:17.180 Please.

03:52:17.740 I really don't think you need us here.

03:52:19.300 I think you guys can just hash it out.

03:52:21.560 I'm not going to lie.

03:52:23.440 Because this is ridiculous.

03:52:25.160 You guys are going back and forth.

03:52:27.060 And it's been nine.

03:52:28.920 It's nine o'clock right now.

03:52:29.860 Four hours.

03:52:30.640 This is ridiculous.

03:52:31.840 Four hours on just her feminism.

03:52:33.960 She's the only one that absolutely disagrees with everyone on this panel.

03:52:37.560 And this whole comment section is annihilating everybody as if we all think the same.

03:52:42.180 We do not.

03:52:43.040 And we're only talking about her.

03:52:45.080 This is crazy.

03:52:46.440 No disrespect to you at all.

03:52:47.800 I've brought attention to you.

03:52:49.320 I've brought attention to you.

03:52:50.680 I have more questions for her, but she's all about me right now.

03:52:53.180 Well, then can we get to the point?

03:52:55.160 Answer it straight up.

03:52:56.460 Because I am so over it.

03:52:58.300 I'm so sorry.

03:52:59.340 Yeah.

03:52:59.720 But over it.

03:53:00.380 That's okay.

03:53:00.900 And I know you're over it because you're not feeling well.

03:53:03.460 Hold on.

03:53:03.780 Let me just remind you that if I have my, if I have things correctly, with the exception

03:53:10.280 of you, actually, every single one of you requested to be on the show.

03:53:15.220 So I kindly ask you to show respect for the platform.

03:53:18.500 This is the way the show goes.

03:53:19.980 You guys had months to do your research and see the nature of the conversations.

03:53:24.760 We're showing respect.

03:53:26.480 I'm just saying we've had respect this whole time.

03:53:28.840 I feel like we are showing love by being patient currently already.

03:53:32.920 And I'm just saying you guys keep going back and forth.

03:53:35.120 Get to the next, the next question.

03:53:36.920 You know what's funny?

03:53:37.520 I actually was.

03:53:38.880 I actually was.

03:53:39.620 And you've just belabored this another two or three minutes by having a meta conversation.

03:53:44.940 I'm saying what everyone's thinking.

03:53:46.820 Maybe you're not thinking it.

03:53:47.940 That was literally it.

03:53:49.160 Well, hold on.

03:53:49.780 Let me.

03:53:49.920 That was it.

03:53:50.400 If that's what everybody's thinking, is that what you guys really, you're going to, you

03:53:55.100 guys are going to leave?

03:53:55.460 Maybe not.

03:53:56.020 Maybe not.

03:53:56.480 But is everyone thinking it?

03:53:57.560 We can do a show of hands.

03:54:00.460 No, I don't, I don't want to leave.

03:54:01.820 I would like, I just feel like the conversation that she, it just seems lingering.

03:54:08.040 Yes.

03:54:08.680 It's honing in on just one person.

03:54:10.260 And now it smells like cigarettes in the whole time.

03:54:12.860 Some people are allergic to cigarette smoke.

03:54:14.220 Like it actually does make me nauseous.

03:54:15.840 It's kind of gross.

03:54:17.140 Nothing we can do about it.

03:54:18.320 No, obviously.

03:54:19.040 I wish I would have wore perfume though.

03:54:22.440 But we weren't allowed to.

03:54:23.660 Not to be disrespectful, just to cover the smell.

03:54:25.880 Like it's gross.

03:54:27.100 We should get into rates of candles.

03:54:31.360 Some moods that are going to be already dark out or something.

03:54:34.500 Yeah, let's get into the superficial stuff that the people want.

03:54:39.140 Like what?

03:54:40.500 Let's rate ourselves.

03:54:42.760 So they can rate us back.

03:54:44.160 Let's talk about sex and stuff.

03:54:47.020 I don't know.

03:54:47.360 Like, come on.

03:54:49.040 Let's do it.

03:54:53.820 There is something interesting demographically about this panel that's different than most

03:55:00.160 of ours.

03:55:00.880 I'll let the chat figure out what I mean by this and you can figure it out for yourself.

03:55:04.800 Okay, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.

03:55:09.020 Go ahead.

03:55:10.460 Starting with you.

03:55:11.420 If we're starting out with me, I think I'm a 12.

03:55:14.400 Yeah.

03:55:15.220 Like, 7 and a half.

03:55:17.180 8.

03:55:17.800 Undefined because it's subjective.

03:55:19.620 I'm sorry I'm not answering that question.

03:55:20.840 Just answer the question.

03:55:21.720 Okay, I'm a 7.

03:55:24.740 8.

03:55:26.040 8.

03:55:27.340 7 and a half.

03:55:28.980 8.

03:55:30.060 You can do whatever you want.

03:55:33.200 Wait, 7?

03:55:34.820 I said 8.

03:55:35.620 8.

03:55:36.420 Okay.

03:55:37.060 So you're the only...

03:55:37.640 You're a 12?

03:55:38.480 Yeah.

03:55:39.840 Okay.

03:55:41.420 I love your confidence.

03:55:43.120 Is it confidence or delusion?

03:55:45.480 It's definitely confidence, I think.

03:55:48.040 I think that I am the most prettiest girl in the world.

03:55:51.280 Are you prettier than...

03:55:51.740 No offense to everyone else.

03:55:52.760 Everyone else here is fucking gorgeous.

03:55:54.060 None taken.

03:55:54.860 Especially you.

03:55:55.960 I've been looking at you this whole entire time.

03:55:57.520 I'm like, Jesus Christ, dude.

03:55:59.520 Thank you.

03:56:00.020 But, like, whenever I look at myself, like...

03:56:02.600 You can pay me some money.

03:56:03.820 Do you feel like...

03:56:05.200 No.

03:56:05.780 Do you feel like you were a 12 after the modifications or before?

03:56:10.900 I think I started feeling like a 12 after...

03:56:15.360 It's not about the modifications.

03:56:17.080 It's more about my mindset.

03:56:18.700 And, like, there was at a point where I did think I was ugly.

03:56:20.780 But, like, I kind of went through that.

03:56:23.020 Nick, you opened the door.

03:56:24.060 I kind of went through that.

03:56:25.300 And now, like, I'm at a point where, like, I don't want to be anyone else.

03:56:28.740 I love myself.

03:56:29.720 I love my body.

03:56:30.480 I love my face.

03:56:31.300 And I love everything about me.

03:56:32.640 So, yeah.

03:56:34.260 What do you think other people would rate you?

03:56:37.160 I know other people that would rate me, like, a 12.

03:56:40.060 And then I know other people that would probably...

03:56:43.260 Let's do averages.

03:56:44.440 Probably, like, a big...

03:56:45.180 Let's say there's 100,000 people, a cross-section of men.

03:56:48.060 What do you think they would rate you?

03:56:49.560 Me?

03:56:49.780 On average.

03:56:51.780 Yes, some would rate you a 10 and some would rate you a 0.

03:56:54.580 I mean, on average, maybe, like, an 8 or a 9.

03:56:59.500 There's a whole thing out there.

03:57:01.080 I was watching.

03:57:02.000 I was like, dang, I want to be doing that.

03:57:05.060 Yeah.

03:57:05.540 Okay.

03:57:05.740 I mean, I typically, whenever I'm with a guy, they tell me, like, I am the prettiest or one

03:57:12.020 of the most beautiful women that they've ever been with, so...

03:57:14.900 Do you think it would go over well if a guy said you're mid?

03:57:17.660 Like, and he's trying to fuck you?

03:57:19.260 And he's like, yeah, you're kind of mid.

03:57:20.500 Let's fuck.

03:57:21.200 I mean, I would fuck with it.

03:57:21.860 Do you think it would go over well?

03:57:22.760 Yeah.

03:57:23.580 Oh, okay.

03:57:24.220 Maybe she likes degradation, I guess.

03:57:25.880 I like people who sometimes degrade me.

03:57:29.820 All right, well, I shouldn't have...

03:57:30.780 I wouldn't say that loud.

03:57:31.580 That, like, invalidates you immediately.

03:57:34.360 But, yeah.

03:57:35.120 Okay.

03:57:35.960 All right.

03:57:36.400 You respect yourself.

03:57:37.520 You don't respect yourself because you want people to degrade you, but you're 12.

03:57:41.580 Yeah.

03:57:41.840 I don't care if people degrade me because it doesn't, like, actually come off...

03:57:46.560 Like, it doesn't hurt me.

03:57:47.860 Spiritually, it hurts you, I promise.

03:57:49.360 I don't think so.

03:57:49.960 One question.

03:57:50.560 Do you think...

03:57:50.920 But it doesn't.

03:57:51.640 You can't tell me that.

03:57:52.700 You're 25, right?

03:57:53.620 Yeah.

03:57:54.080 Do you think you'll be more attractive in 10 years than you are now?

03:57:56.260 Yeah.

03:57:56.920 Do you think you'll be more attractive in 20 years?

03:57:58.560 Yeah.

03:57:59.300 30 years?

03:58:00.100 Yeah.

03:58:01.080 Okay, now you're just...

03:58:02.700 No, it's like, it's...

03:58:04.300 I'm a magic person.

03:58:06.120 So you'll be 55, yeah.

03:58:07.800 And I'm, like, a manifestation baddie or whatever you want to call it.

03:58:11.120 But to me, I feel like I've been manifesting that I just keep getting hotter.

03:58:16.160 And so whenever I look at myself, I just feel like I'm getting hotter.

03:58:18.620 No!

03:58:19.600 What about when you're 75 in 50 years?

03:58:21.860 I still think I'll be hot.

03:58:23.500 That's not the question.

03:58:24.460 Will you be more attractive than you are now, all else being equal?

03:58:28.180 That's the question I'm asking.

03:58:29.660 Be honest.

03:58:29.900 Probably just the same, honestly.

03:58:31.980 Bro, you're delusional.

03:58:33.180 I think...

03:58:33.640 You're delusional.

03:58:34.240 Well, I look at myself and I'm like...

03:58:35.700 It's a natural delusion, like we just proved it.

03:58:37.640 Yeah, that's fine.

03:58:37.720 There's no way you're getting hotter at 75.

03:58:39.420 She's going to be hotter at 75.

03:58:40.640 Yeah, but, like, I'm...

03:58:42.300 Aging isn't...

03:58:43.020 Like, you could be as confident...

03:58:44.560 That's 6-delusional.

03:58:45.620 Yeah, but I feel like all these things sagging.

03:58:48.680 I know a lot of black women...

03:58:49.380 Some do if you don't take care of yourself.

03:58:50.900 I mean, yeah, but I take care of myself, so...

03:58:53.300 But there's a lot of black women that I've seen that are, like, 60, 70 years old, and they still look younger.

03:58:58.320 Yeah, but you haven't seen their 20-year-old pictures.

03:59:00.780 You don't know if they're hotter than when they were 20.

03:59:02.640 Wait, why aren't all the black supermodels 75 instead of 25?

03:59:07.680 Why is that?

03:59:08.440 Because we like youngness.

03:59:09.740 Like, what are you asking me right now?

03:59:12.340 If...

03:59:12.780 Okay.

03:59:13.940 But if you looked the same, and people wouldn't be able to tell that you're older, and you would just cast it.

03:59:17.500 I am not going to be more attractive when I'm 75.

03:59:21.340 That's why you have a bunch of girls just going out and just lying about their age.

03:59:24.660 I'm on my prime right now.

03:59:25.940 Well, thank you for being reasonable.

03:59:28.280 Maybe 20 years ago.

03:59:29.580 Right.

03:59:29.900 All right.

03:59:31.340 Jeez.

03:59:32.320 And you said it's subjective, or what was your thing?

03:59:34.620 Yeah, beauty is subjective.

03:59:35.860 Beauty is subjective.

03:59:36.800 I don't think you get prettier as you age.

03:59:38.240 But you don't think you can get prettier?

03:59:40.740 As you age, no.

03:59:42.040 Yeah, you're too far from buying.

03:59:42.900 Really?

03:59:43.160 As you age.

03:59:44.060 I think you go like this.

03:59:45.280 And then you go like this.

03:59:47.460 Boom.

03:59:48.300 I think a lot of it is, like...

03:59:50.180 Barely walking.

03:59:50.840 Your confidence.

03:59:51.860 I think a lot of it is that.

03:59:52.920 I mean, no one's, like, super banging, you know, in middle school.

03:59:57.060 And your confidence is, like, super low.

03:59:59.800 And then I feel like as you get older, I mean, I'm now in my 30s, and I feel really confident.

04:00:04.660 I'm banging.

04:00:05.160 You know what to wear.

04:00:05.880 I'm seven, but I'm banging.

04:00:09.480 Wait, so are you saying that you can't make...

04:00:11.700 Like, you can't look at somebody, and there can be no differentiation in terms of this person is more attractive than this person?

04:00:17.580 No, there can, but it's subjective.

04:00:18.820 What one guy thinks is more attractive is...

04:00:20.920 Subjective.

04:00:21.980 But let me ask you a question.

04:00:23.420 If I pulled, say, the entire population of the world, and I showed them a picture of guy A and guy B, do you think that there would be, like...

04:00:30.980 Like, could there be an overwhelming consensus where, like, 99% of people were, like, guy A is more attractive than guy B, even if we pulled...

04:00:38.380 It depends.

04:00:38.500 If one's way uglier than the other, yes.

04:00:40.820 If they're both equally attractive...

04:00:41.440 Well, there is some objectivity to it, then.

04:00:44.760 Yeah, sure.

04:00:45.480 Because you said one guy is way uglier.

04:00:47.620 There is objectivity to beauty, for sure.

04:00:49.680 If you don't try at all, then you're ugly, probably.

04:00:51.700 But you just said it's objective.

04:00:53.540 They're...

04:00:54.820 Beauty is subjective.

04:00:56.140 To a degree.

04:00:57.500 Are you going to think every single guy...

04:00:59.240 Yeah, to a degree.

04:01:00.080 So we agree.

04:01:00.960 To a slight degree.

04:01:02.380 To a slight degree.

04:01:03.700 Then your compliments are disingenuous to woman.

04:01:07.000 Strange you reached that epiphany only after you altered the objective rating under the alterations.

04:01:12.920 I don't think it was disingenuous.

04:01:15.140 It was literally, like, I meant it from the heart.

04:01:18.940 I've been looking at you this whole time.

04:01:19.660 Which door was that?

04:01:21.080 Back door.

04:01:21.880 All right.

04:01:23.600 All right.

04:01:24.240 Let me do...

04:01:24.920 Let me read two.

04:01:25.800 We have two chats here coming in.

04:01:27.280 And then I have more questions for you.

04:01:29.460 We have Killa of Serial again.

04:01:31.260 Leadership means setting an example.

04:01:33.080 Leaders also do the work that they ask from their followers from the front line in a positive, moral, guiding sense.

04:01:38.640 Leaders want your full potential just to push.

04:01:41.180 Ladies...

04:01:41.820 Oh, wait.

04:01:42.220 Hold on.

04:01:42.860 There's another one coming up.

04:01:44.620 From Tori.

04:01:45.980 Thank you, Killa of Serial, man.

04:01:47.080 Appreciate your message.

04:01:47.940 Good to see you, as always, in the chat.

04:01:51.100 And we have Tori here.

04:01:51.820 Ladies, why do you think there's a timeline correlation between the increase of feminism and the increased experience of depression in society as a whole?

04:01:58.460 Could it be biological needs?

04:02:00.460 Duh.

04:02:01.680 Absolutely.

04:02:02.840 And Paul?

04:02:03.240 We just literally said that we took women out of the house doing their perfect, perfect role of being happily married and raising children and told them to go be boss babes and slave away and act like men and carry their own luggage and change their own tires.

04:02:15.640 So, yeah.

04:02:16.040 Okay.

04:02:16.400 Sounds depressing.

04:02:17.480 All right.

04:02:18.300 Let's see here.

04:02:19.140 We do...

04:02:19.760 Okay.

04:02:19.960 We're going to bring it back to Jaden here.

04:02:21.840 You wanted to talk about...

04:02:23.260 You said that the...

04:02:24.080 And we'll get the whole panel to answer this.

04:02:26.240 The gender pay gap is a very real thing.

04:02:31.640 So, going around the table, is the wage gap, gender pay gap real?

04:02:36.000 No, I don't think so.

04:02:37.500 Actually, from research I'd done, I learned that the gender pay gap is not that big anymore.

04:02:44.160 So, I did more research after I...

04:02:45.980 Tell you?

04:02:46.640 Yeah, yeah.

04:02:47.020 I did more research after I sent that.

04:02:48.480 Okay.

04:02:48.940 I'm not ignorant.

04:02:50.080 I want to learn and stuff, so...

04:02:52.500 All right.

04:02:54.180 I'm not objective in all of my opinions.

04:02:55.540 Okay, so you initially wrote that in your notes, but your viewpoint has changed.

04:02:59.560 Yeah, yeah.

04:03:00.080 From doing very impressive.

04:03:01.460 All right.

04:03:01.960 There you go.

04:03:02.520 I'm constantly trying to involve people always.

04:03:04.380 There's growth.

04:03:04.980 Yeah, I'm ignorant on the matter, but I believe women are blessed to carry and nurture and

04:03:12.080 raise children, so there's a gap there in their wages, because they get to go do that.

04:03:16.380 Right.

04:03:16.820 We can be okay with that.

04:03:17.820 Earnings gap, right.

04:03:18.740 Okay.

04:03:18.960 Yeah, I second that.

04:03:20.660 Same.

04:03:21.900 Yeah.

04:03:22.320 Yeah, I agree.

04:03:24.040 Thank you, Ivory.

04:03:24.980 All right.

04:03:25.880 And you.

04:03:26.500 Andrew, do you want to do a quick 30-second debunking of the wage gap?

04:03:31.840 I mean, do we even need to?

04:03:33.880 None of them believe in it.

04:03:34.980 Well, just, just.

04:03:35.440 We seem pretty.

04:03:36.360 We seem like the why of, you know, the why of it.

04:03:39.360 Yeah.

04:03:39.900 There's probably viewers.

04:03:41.080 I wish she was, I wish she was back, because I'm sure she's probably disagree with that.

04:03:43.240 I don't, because then it would lead to a whole new debate.

04:03:45.420 She'd be like, yes, there's not a wage gap.

04:03:47.020 And I don't think her stomach can handle that right now.

04:03:48.720 It's like 18 cents or 98 cents or something like that?

04:03:52.200 What?

04:03:52.660 The wage gap?

04:03:53.500 It's like barely anything?

04:03:54.580 It's like barely anything, yeah.

04:03:54.880 Apparently looked at, well, I mean, that's what the claim is, but there really isn't, there

04:03:59.540 really never really was a wage gap anyway.

04:04:02.260 What would happen is men work a lot longer hours, and women get things like paternity leave,

04:04:08.620 they want to take vacations more, they want to do things like this so they can stay at

04:04:11.760 home with their kids.

04:04:12.560 And so what ends up happening is it's risky to hire them.

04:04:15.460 So it's riskier to hire women for a lot of the same jobs.

04:04:19.200 Well, that's also their role.

04:04:19.700 They're supposed to stay home and take care of their kids.

04:04:21.680 It's not.

04:04:22.320 Yeah, I agree.

04:04:23.020 But I'm just saying, think of it from an employer standpoint.

04:04:25.640 So employers like to hire men who have families as well.

04:04:28.820 The reason they do is because they think that men are going to stay at that job for longer.

04:04:32.940 Loyalty.

04:04:33.260 Right?

04:04:33.680 Well, it makes a lot of sense, right?

04:04:35.000 You can't really just leave a job if you are dependent on the pay to take care of your

04:04:40.080 family.

04:04:40.620 So when they look at it, they're like, well, this is, this is great, right?

04:04:44.400 If you have, if you have a family, that's one thing that employers will look at and

04:04:48.700 say, well, you're probably going to be stable, this type of thing.

04:04:51.080 But if you were an employer and you were looking at a woman, let's say she was, you know, in

04:04:55.420 her twenties to her really early thirties.

04:04:58.220 And, you know, when you were interviewing her, she said things to you like, yeah, you

04:05:02.660 know, we might try for kid number three, or we might try the risk drastically goes up.

04:05:07.920 Right.

04:05:08.480 So, yeah.

04:05:09.760 So, I mean, all that has to be taken to account.

04:05:11.860 And also the fact that, that men just work a lot more hours generally than women do,

04:05:16.780 even when they're in the same jobs.

04:05:18.720 So, and that's not, the problem, the problem when you're looking at that data is it's really

04:05:24.280 hard to make controls.

04:05:26.180 So all that data is only as good as the controls that you have.

04:05:29.280 So you can make it say whatever the hell you want, depending on what, what you control

04:05:32.400 for.

04:05:32.860 Right.

04:05:34.360 All right.

04:05:35.280 Moving on.

04:05:36.360 You also mentioned, hmm, there's a lot here, so I won't be able to get everything, but.

04:05:41.980 Don't, I don't care.

04:05:43.100 Sports are taken less seriously.

04:05:45.920 You said women's sports are taken less seriously.

04:05:50.020 Yeah, totally.

04:05:50.480 Is that really an objection?

04:05:51.780 Yeah.

04:05:53.460 Isn't that women's fault though?

04:05:54.820 Because it's like women don't watch women's sports?

04:05:58.240 I mean, I do.

04:05:59.580 You do, but.

04:06:00.900 I do not watch women's sports.

04:06:01.840 I do not watch women's sports.

04:06:02.500 There's nothing stopping women from going to go support the WNBA, but they don't, in

04:06:09.280 the same way that men support NBA.

04:06:11.440 What's that?

04:06:12.140 Nothing.

04:06:13.360 Wait, I have a question for you though.

04:06:15.280 Can you name three WNBA players?

04:06:20.360 Yeah, the famous ones.

04:06:22.400 I don't really.

04:06:22.820 Go ahead.

04:06:23.300 I don't.

04:06:23.720 Name them.

04:06:24.400 I don't care about basketball.

04:06:26.460 Oh.

04:06:26.900 Brittany.

04:06:27.560 So wait, so do you have a problem with women's sports being taken less seriously?

04:06:31.720 I just think it's like the comments.

04:06:33.080 Or do you watch the WNBA though?

04:06:34.280 The WNBA?

04:06:35.060 I don't watch sports.

04:06:37.440 Oh, because I thought he said, he said, do you watch it?

04:06:41.700 And he said, yeah, well, I do.

04:06:43.020 He said, I watch it.

04:06:44.320 Oh, just tennis actually.

04:06:46.080 So that's it.

04:06:46.500 Oh, tennis.

04:06:48.720 Yeah.

04:06:49.700 Can you name any NBA players?

04:06:54.580 No.

04:06:55.360 Come on.

04:06:56.140 Oh, LeBron James.

04:06:57.340 Oh, dude.

04:06:57.860 Michael Jordan.

04:06:58.700 James, a dude.

04:06:59.600 Nobody, okay.

04:07:00.160 But you watch, you watch female tennis?

04:07:02.040 Well, he asked me.

04:07:02.960 He asked me.

04:07:04.300 I thought you were just kidding.

04:07:05.140 You watch female tennis?

04:07:05.520 Yeah, I love Maria Sharapova, but she ended up getting in trouble for something.

04:07:08.920 You named three of them.

04:07:10.640 Serena Williams, Venus Williams, Maria Sharapova, Madison Keys.

04:07:17.740 Okay.

04:07:18.660 All right.

04:07:19.120 Moving on.

04:07:20.200 Let's see here.

04:07:21.660 You wanted to talk about, I also feel like guys on the podcast always think they're right.

04:07:26.760 And as much as you feel like the girls don't hear you out, you also have your mindset and

04:07:31.360 won't see the side of the woman and that the women are supposed to just submit to a man.

04:07:35.520 Could be wrong, but this is what I've noticed.

04:07:37.220 But I find it strange that a man wouldn't want to consult with a woman about big discussions

04:07:42.700 or decisions as you don't always know what a woman wants and men don't always know what's

04:07:47.960 best.

04:07:48.760 Even masculine women, even a masculine woman, I believe there's supposed to be a unity to

04:07:53.720 a man and woman's relationship behind every great man is an even greater woman.

04:07:57.200 I think I'm going to say masculine women.

04:07:58.520 I don't know what I meant to say, but.

04:07:59.820 Well, these are your notes.

04:08:00.960 I don't know.

04:08:01.260 If you're a man that feels no compassion and is prideful, you're still half a man.

04:08:06.040 Okay.

04:08:08.820 That was kind of just saying what I was talking about earlier.

04:08:11.340 Like women should submit to a good man.

04:08:13.760 I just think that sometimes women are blamed for not being able to find a good man, but

04:08:19.100 there's like so many weird men, weird human men.

04:08:22.260 Like I've been approached by just.

04:08:24.020 Absolutely.

04:08:24.600 And I'm just like.

04:08:25.260 There's weirdos.

04:08:26.400 Absolutely.

04:08:27.240 100%.

04:08:27.640 Yes.

04:08:28.580 Creepy dudes.

04:08:29.720 Don't date those guys.

04:08:30.740 No, I'm just saying, I think creepy dudes, like I think you should also tell men to do

04:08:34.700 better because I think creepy dudes ruin the chance for some of the good men.

04:08:38.580 Sure.

04:08:39.420 Absolutely.

04:08:39.980 So like, that's all.

04:08:41.820 That's all.

04:08:42.440 I don't disagree with you.

04:08:44.360 The one thing though, as you did say at the beginning here, I also feel like guys on the

04:08:47.620 podcast always think they're right.

04:08:49.860 Well, I'm firm in my beliefs.

04:08:52.380 So this isn't like a change my mind segment.

04:08:54.980 This is a, I'm going to combat your viewpoints and your worldview.

04:08:58.800 And I think Andrew would probably agree with that.

04:09:01.000 I don't think he's here to have his mind changed.

04:09:04.000 He's.

04:09:05.240 I think you're always supposed to learn.

04:09:07.140 I'm pretty sure it says a person with wisdom.

04:09:09.540 He's going to be, I'm happy to have my mind changed.

04:09:12.460 Like, I think that that's what keeps your, your argument strong.

04:09:15.280 What keeps your mind sharp is iron sharpens iron.

04:09:17.960 Sure.

04:09:18.400 And so I want to have my mind changed on things.

04:09:22.100 It just usually doesn't get changed because I don't hear a lot of good arguments.

04:09:26.980 And then when we start getting into it, people get super offended.

04:09:29.640 They get upset.

04:09:30.440 They tonefully, they do everything in the world except argue, which drives me crazy.

04:09:34.900 So yeah, that's, that, so I haven't gotten my, I liked your response better than I liked

04:09:40.160 his.

04:09:40.420 Yeah.

04:09:40.560 So I haven't gotten my mind changed very much.

04:09:42.680 Right.

04:09:43.040 And the thing is, is I've noticed I'll sit in a room full of men and we'll argue the same

04:09:49.180 exact way I'm arguing with you guys.

04:09:50.840 Right.

04:09:51.620 The distinction.

04:09:52.360 You do the, yeah, sure.

04:09:54.300 What's so funny.

04:09:54.980 They do it.

04:09:55.940 They hit us.

04:09:56.760 I mean, they hit us back too.

04:09:59.200 Right.

04:09:59.500 They'll be like, Oh, you know what I mean?

04:10:01.120 And we were too.

04:10:02.000 Yeah.

04:10:02.080 But it was, but the thing, no, but not really.

04:10:04.440 So here's the thing that's interesting.

04:10:06.200 Black flame Nova donated $200.

04:10:09.280 Andrew seems so done with it tonight.

04:10:11.240 Might be the beer.

04:10:12.720 1000 yards stare from having to listen to so many modern women on the show with low IQ

04:10:17.900 feminist failed family issues.

04:10:20.380 Like a nagging wife.

04:10:21.760 X nine.

04:10:22.360 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

04:10:25.460 Thank you.

04:10:26.260 So I had to pull back on some of the issues because of.

04:10:31.520 Of just what they were.

04:10:33.000 But anyway.

04:10:35.180 Yeah.

04:10:35.540 They'll argue brutally.

04:10:37.300 They don't give a shit.

04:10:38.300 Right.

04:10:38.640 And I don't even take it.

04:10:39.520 They don't take it personally either.

04:10:41.060 But I just noticed that women who want to be treated equally.

04:10:45.180 Right.

04:10:45.560 We want to be equal.

04:10:47.120 First thing they start doing is tone policing and being upset with how a thing is said.

04:10:51.620 I never said I want to be equal.

04:10:53.200 Rather than what is said.

04:10:54.460 I do.

04:10:54.620 This is what I've noticed.

04:10:55.820 I just want to say.

04:10:56.860 All right.

04:10:57.020 This is what I've noticed.

04:10:57.760 And it's just interesting to me, the distinction and perception, because I'd say the best thing

04:11:03.440 I could do is treat everybody here just like I would treat men when I debate them.

04:11:07.640 Right.

04:11:07.820 So I'm taking you literally at face value that you're just as good as any man who's sitting

04:11:13.280 there to debate with me.

04:11:14.380 And instead I get, I can't believe how you just said that.

04:11:17.860 I'm like, what the fuck is this?

04:11:19.540 Right.

04:11:19.820 Drives me crazy.

04:11:20.800 I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?

04:11:22.140 We're having a debate.

04:11:22.940 Let's do it.

04:11:24.300 That's the way that I see it.

04:11:26.460 And so, no, you know, maybe Brian is setting his belief structure.

04:11:30.820 I'm happy to have my mind changed.

04:11:32.900 But I can't have my mind changed if every time you're in an argument, people get upset

04:11:37.380 with the way a thing is said, which way it's said, how it's said.

04:11:41.100 It's just nonsense.

04:11:41.860 Well, Andrew, if I may say there, I'm sure you would agree that there are some things

04:11:45.360 that are just so patently absurd that you would never, you know, you can never even agree

04:11:52.160 with something that's just preposterous.

04:11:54.940 Yeah.

04:11:55.200 But what I try to do, even though women say insane ass shit on this show, that's true.

04:12:01.320 But not all women, not all women, not all women, not all women.

04:12:04.980 Not all women.

04:12:05.440 Okay.

04:12:05.580 But they do.

04:12:06.940 I still try to actually engage with it.

04:12:09.380 You're growing.

04:12:09.900 So I'm trying to understand it from their perspective.

04:12:12.820 So even though it may sound insane to me, I'm like, okay, maybe I can at least entertain

04:12:17.420 the idea.

04:12:18.740 Right.

04:12:19.100 So I can, so I can try to at least understand where they're coming from.

04:12:22.600 It doesn't feel like that's what you're doing.

04:12:24.300 Right.

04:12:24.620 But that's my, but this is my, but this is my whole point.

04:12:27.120 Right.

04:12:28.220 It would feel like that to a bunch of men who are in the room.

04:12:30.540 To be honest, it does feel like that.

04:12:31.680 I just feel like we disagree.

04:12:33.360 Yeah.

04:12:33.600 For you, it's, it's fine.

04:12:35.000 Right.

04:12:35.240 But I'm just saying the, like the, the overarching tone policing things like this, what you just

04:12:40.280 said is key.

04:12:40.880 Right.

04:12:41.560 I feel like, I feel like, right.

04:12:45.680 For me, I disassociate feeling.

04:12:48.380 I'm just here to have an argument.

04:12:50.680 Right.

04:12:51.160 I'm here to argue my position, my worldview the best way that I possibly can.

04:12:55.520 Okay.

04:12:56.240 And I've, uh, I've heard Andrew arguing with men and, uh, he argues, he'll call them idiots.

04:13:02.700 He'll, you know, that's just not based upon mutual respect though.

04:13:05.900 So that's all I'm saying.

04:13:06.740 It's totally fine.

04:13:07.500 You can argue however you want.

04:13:08.540 It's just not that respectful.

04:13:09.980 That's all.

04:13:10.640 And they'll call me that too.

04:13:11.920 And I just let it roll right off.

04:13:13.680 Absolutely.

04:13:13.780 Not respectful from them either.

04:13:14.860 Keep it moving.

04:13:15.560 Yeah.

04:13:16.100 I've said things on this today that probably aren't respectful and I don't, I apologize for

04:13:21.380 that too, by the way.

04:13:22.240 I have to apologize.

04:13:23.140 It doesn't bother me.

04:13:24.300 Awesome.

04:13:24.540 You know what I mean?

04:13:25.840 I'm just explaining to you that it's totally unproductive to have the conversation or the

04:13:31.160 debate.

04:13:32.120 If what ends up happening is you have to retract and pull back and you can't have the argument

04:13:36.640 because the other person gets so wrapped up in emotions that you can't even have a discussion

04:13:40.800 with them.

04:13:41.400 I would have cried if I was emotional.

04:13:42.940 You could say whatever you want.

04:13:44.780 Just like, like she said, we just do not agree with everything.

04:13:49.160 Anything.

04:13:50.060 Yeah.

04:13:51.600 Fundamentally.

04:13:52.000 Just because you were gone, we, I promise we won't linger too long, but because you were

04:13:57.920 gone, we asked about the wage gap.

04:13:59.980 Even if you disagree, I promise we won't linger long on it.

04:14:03.600 What's your position on the wage gap?

04:14:05.340 Exists?

04:14:05.860 Doesn't exist?

04:14:06.500 The gender, pay gap, wage gap, whatever.

04:14:08.560 Um, sorry.

04:14:09.640 Uh, I don't really know, to be honest.

04:14:11.300 I think it's, you know, the whole women make 77 cents on the dollar to the man.

04:14:14.200 Yeah, no, I think it's like hard to tell because like you'd have to go into the details of what

04:14:19.560 roles they actually have and what roles the man has and whatever.

04:14:23.400 It's only as good as the controls.

04:14:25.100 Yeah.

04:14:25.840 Basically.

04:14:26.460 I don't, I don't necessarily, I don't know if, I don't, yeah.

04:14:29.660 Intercept it.

04:14:30.240 And we actually are getting to your pre-show notes here.

04:14:33.660 You said, there's not many, but you said maybe the worst date I can think of is a guy

04:14:38.120 that picked me up with no plan in mind, took me to a pizza shop and didn't eat anything

04:14:41.980 LMAO.

04:14:43.580 That was weird.

04:14:44.420 But other than that, I can't really think of anything crazy.

04:14:46.880 Yeah.

04:14:47.840 This does, again, I won't belabor it, but it does kind of go back to this, like, you

04:14:51.600 don't want the man to lead.

04:14:52.660 But in this scenario, the one bad date that you provided.

04:14:56.520 Was because he didn't lead.

04:14:57.680 There's a failure of leadership there, and that was, like, a major issue for you.

04:15:00.680 But I said the first date he should lead, right?

04:15:02.840 The first date they initiate.

04:15:03.560 But, like, here's the thing, here's the thing, right?

04:15:05.200 And again, we won't belabor this point.

04:15:08.020 So.

04:15:08.900 Schrodinger's feminist, I'm telling you.

04:15:10.860 Schrodinger's feminist.

04:15:12.080 So, in my view, I don't think, like, leadership in men is, it's not, like, something that you

04:15:20.520 just can turn off and on.

04:15:23.640 That's true.

04:15:24.420 Like, it's, like, you want a guy who leads, like, he's going to take initiative in other

04:15:29.040 aspects.

04:15:30.720 Okay.

04:15:32.220 I don't necessarily think if a man plans the first date that he's a leader, an alpha, blah,

04:15:38.240 blah, blah, blah, blah.

04:15:38.740 I didn't say that.

04:15:40.100 It seems like that's what you're implying.

04:15:41.220 That's him taking the lead, though.

04:15:43.380 Yeah, no, for sure.

04:15:44.440 And it's commendable.

04:15:45.640 But I don't necessarily, like, I think that if you're asking a girl out, first of all,

04:15:50.960 which we have already established, that's what I think my position is, the man should

04:15:54.300 be the one making the first move originally or initially.

04:15:56.960 If you're going to do that, then, yeah, like, I think.

04:16:02.840 How come it's not equal?

04:16:05.320 What do you mean it's not equal?

04:16:06.440 How come you don't equally go out and ask men on the first date and equally pay on the

04:16:10.880 first date?

04:16:11.680 Because I think that just because people have different.

04:16:17.640 Sorry.

04:16:18.300 First of all, I, I'm speaking personally.

04:16:20.440 I prefer when a man initiates, and I would assume that most women do.

04:16:26.700 Probably because it makes them feel wanted, right?

04:16:28.960 And a lot of girls don't necessarily feel wanted by men.

04:16:31.980 Whoa, that's a crazy statement.

04:16:34.140 So.

04:16:34.980 That's a crazy statement.

04:16:37.420 Is it a crazy statement?

04:16:38.100 Do you realize the, like, the just sheer amount of, like, sexual attention or even romantic?

04:16:45.940 I think she means not sexual.

04:16:46.880 Hold on.

04:16:47.100 Hold on.

04:16:47.660 Fine.

04:16:47.940 Let me, let me say the second part of this.

04:16:49.720 And romantic attention that you get.

04:16:52.420 Women are.

04:16:53.920 There's an absolute oversaturation of desire going towards men, towards women.

04:17:01.920 Do you think it's the case that women are, like, coming on to men and hitting on men and

04:17:06.920 just, like.

04:17:07.460 I do.

04:17:07.740 Just.

04:17:08.340 You're delusional.

04:17:09.920 No, I'm not delusional.

04:17:10.620 You're delusional.

04:17:11.400 It happens to really attractive men.

04:17:13.300 It is true.

04:17:13.700 Yes.

04:17:14.060 Apex.

04:17:14.660 Yes, it happens to the apex of men.

04:17:16.300 Well, that's the case.

04:17:16.920 Hold on.

04:17:17.940 Like, all of the girls.

04:17:19.080 So, right, that's what you're talking about.

04:17:20.740 Okay.

04:17:21.000 I will agree with you that here's the difference, right?

04:17:23.880 An average looking woman, even an ugly woman, she has the same sexual optionality, which

04:17:29.880 will include attention, validation, and even romantic attention.

04:17:35.780 An average looking woman has the same sexual optionality as a male celebrity.

04:17:39.920 I disagree.

04:17:41.700 Yeah, hold on.

04:17:42.500 Completely.

04:17:42.780 In order for a man to have the same sexual optionality as even an average looking woman,

04:17:49.020 he needs to be an A-list celebrity.

04:17:50.720 He needs to be a professional athlete.

04:17:52.720 No.

04:17:53.000 Yes.

04:17:53.440 Hold on.

04:17:53.840 Hold on.

04:17:54.460 Yes, he does.

04:17:55.260 He needs to be a professional athlete.

04:17:57.060 He needs to be a fucking famous something, have massive status.

04:18:01.040 Yes, he does.

04:18:01.700 I think that's just based on what you men compare each other to.

04:18:04.500 Like, those OnlyFan girls that say that stupid shit?

04:18:06.560 No.

04:18:07.520 Hold on.

04:18:07.960 Like, they have that opinion.

04:18:08.620 You think an average looking dude could, like, fuck three new girls a day?

04:18:12.160 I don't think it's about the status.

04:18:13.440 I think it's about that.

04:18:14.000 Why is it always sex?

04:18:15.080 I'm fucking.

04:18:16.000 The thing is about the effort that they put into their looks, and a lot of guys do not

04:18:20.380 put any effort into their looks.

04:18:21.960 They sit back and they say, if I have money, and if I do X, Y, and Z, then she'll sleep

04:18:26.780 with me.

04:18:27.180 It doesn't matter.

04:18:27.600 She'll marry me.

04:18:28.440 It's true.

04:18:29.040 All these girls sleep with men because they have money.

04:18:32.060 A lot of girls will, yeah, for sure.

04:18:33.880 But a lot of girls also don't want to marry or date a guy that they're not attracted to.

04:18:37.600 And a lot of guys don't put any effort into their looks.

04:18:39.900 They just slob around.

04:18:40.600 But if you're attracted to him.

04:18:42.100 They expect all of the women to initiate with them.

04:18:44.660 It's like, hello?

04:18:45.460 Girls try.

04:18:46.300 We put effort into our looks.

04:18:47.380 Hold on.

04:18:47.420 Wait.

04:18:47.520 We actually do things to make ourselves look presentable.

04:18:50.780 So, yeah, it makes a lot of sense that we'd want somebody to approach.

04:18:53.340 If a guy was very attractive, I would approach him.

04:18:56.100 I'd have no problem approaching him.

04:18:57.500 Give me that opportunity.

04:18:58.320 I would actually argue, though, even when men do put, like, do do the things that they can,

04:19:03.220 bear in mind that things like, typically, plastic surgery and the use of makeup is precluded from use by males in terms of, like, a guy could, yes, any man could conceivably put on makeup.

04:19:17.080 But I would argue most women are going to be like, that's kind of weird.

04:19:21.060 But, like, working on your style.

04:19:22.000 I'm not talking about, yeah.

04:19:23.200 I'm not talking necessarily about makeup because obviously that's, like, more, I mean, I guess if they wanted to, men could make makeup for men.

04:19:29.920 But, like, that's not really what I'm referring to.

04:19:31.760 Right, but men don't have the same capacity.

04:19:34.060 Actually, men started makeup in Shakespearean times.

04:19:35.920 I'm referring to their style, their aesthetic, their fashion, their hair.

04:19:40.520 That hair does a lot.

04:19:41.280 Bro, that's a metrosexual shit.

04:19:43.380 Listen, I'm going to be honest.

04:19:44.660 I think men are meant to be a little rough.

04:19:48.780 Like, obviously, take care of your grooming, have good hydrating.

04:19:50.960 Okay, and then you guys are going to complain when girls don't want to sleep with you.

04:19:54.200 This is like.

04:19:55.020 We want to sleep with someone we are attracted to.

04:19:57.040 That is why hypergamy exists because only 10% of guys even try.

04:20:00.860 That's not the realm.

04:20:02.020 That's not the realm.

04:20:02.980 Jesus loves you.

04:20:05.140 In their looks, yeah.

04:20:06.340 The rest of them think that it's gay and feminine if you even invest even a fraction of energy into your looks.

04:20:10.340 You think that hypergamy exists because men don't make themselves look, like, feminine enough?

04:20:16.680 No.

04:20:17.000 Oh, dear.

04:20:17.560 There's too much of that going on nowadays.

04:20:19.500 Like, way too much of this soy boy going on.

04:20:21.880 I'm super confused.

04:20:24.040 Attractive how?

04:20:24.820 You put effort into your style.

04:20:27.680 You put effort into the way you look, your hair.

04:20:29.940 You take care of your hygiene.

04:20:31.280 You work out.

04:20:32.120 You go to the gym.

04:20:32.760 Like, all that stuff.

04:20:34.300 Okay, but.

04:20:34.900 Girls do it with your makeup.

04:20:35.940 Like, you dress to work.

04:20:37.140 But here's the thing.

04:20:37.560 You dress to work very nicely.

04:20:39.280 But then with women, maybe, like.

04:20:41.080 Well, most men don't.

04:20:41.820 Like, do you wear it?

04:20:42.160 Most men don't wear it dressed to work nicely.

04:20:43.940 I don't know, I'm a server, I see a lot of men dress up for work.

04:20:46.480 You wear this every day, I assume, right?

04:20:48.020 Yeah, but if that really.

04:20:49.000 Or a similar variation in this outfit.

04:20:50.320 Go ahead, go ahead.

04:20:50.940 If that really good-looking, fit, attractive, takes care of himself guy gets out of, like,

04:20:56.120 a beat-up Ford Pinto, he's not the same dude.

04:20:59.540 Because it's like, he takes care of his body, but he doesn't take care of his life, or his

04:21:03.220 lifestyle, or his finances, or his job.

04:21:05.240 So, I completely disagree that if a guy is good-looking, I'm going to sleep with him.

04:21:10.980 He's got to have his life together.

04:21:12.480 If a man is good-looking, he cannot have a job.

04:21:15.240 Can you let her finish?

04:21:16.560 Let her finish.

04:21:17.260 Sorry.

04:21:18.440 Not, it is not shallow, by any means, for a woman to say, I would like for you to be

04:21:25.600 decently attractive, but I would also like for you to have your finances in order, your

04:21:29.600 bills paid, your house in order, like, you take care of your life.

04:21:34.240 And sometimes that equates to, yeah, he might be well-off.

04:21:38.240 It's not just, he looks good.

04:21:39.800 I would never just go for a guy because, oh, he takes care of himself.

04:21:43.460 She was saying for sex.

04:21:44.760 That's not, they're not talking about relationship.

04:21:46.580 He was talking about literally getting laid.

04:21:48.560 I'm talking about men in general.

04:21:48.640 Like, men in general just have this problem.

04:21:49.900 I grew up around, like, I grew up in a men-only household.

04:21:52.980 I didn't have any girls around me.

04:21:54.520 One of my siblings was very insecure growing up, and he would tell me that, like, and I was

04:22:03.060 friends with his friends.

04:22:03.780 His friends thought the same way.

04:22:05.000 Like, they all think very same.

04:22:07.500 It's very insecure.

04:22:09.000 They feel like if they're ugly from the get-go, then why should they put effort into their

04:22:13.060 looks?

04:22:13.340 Because if they try and they're still ugly, that'll make them feel worse than if they

04:22:17.480 try, and then if they don't try at all and they're just ugly by default.

04:22:20.240 That's where your worldview is coming from, though.

04:22:22.520 Like, I don't think that's...

04:22:23.580 I know a lot of men think this way.

04:22:25.260 A lot of men are actually insecure.

04:22:25.780 If you start to engage with a lot of men, they'll tell you...

04:22:28.460 I feel like there's men here.

04:22:30.360 I'd love to take a poll.

04:22:31.000 Girls only want money.

04:22:31.440 They only want this.

04:22:32.400 They only want this.

04:22:33.160 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

04:22:33.700 Let's take a poll of the men here.

04:22:35.360 The opposite is true.

04:22:36.500 So, men, this was my experience, right, with me and all my friends, et cetera, et cetera.

04:22:44.940 If we were dating or going out on dates, things like that, yeah, they would not only go to

04:22:50.880 the gym, but they would try to find nice clothing.

04:22:53.600 They'd talk to each other about different things to wear, all that type of stuff.

04:22:57.840 All of them were like that.

04:22:59.000 That is not majority of men.

04:23:00.580 Yeah, I don't think you can make that statement and competently back it up.

04:23:04.720 I think that most men, yeah, I think that if they're trying to attract a mate, yeah,

04:23:10.860 I think that they try to do something.

04:23:13.060 Yeah, maybe.

04:23:15.660 Maybe I just think men are...

04:23:16.800 They also try to develop other traits that attract women, like a personality or a humor.

04:23:22.140 Yeah, especially because women are always like money, money, money, so they're going

04:23:24.900 to try to get the job up.

04:23:25.100 I don't think that they look at beauty standards the same way.

04:23:28.020 I think that women are starting to now because, again, we're no longer...

04:23:33.080 We don't have to get married in order to participate in society, so if we're going to get married

04:23:36.480 to a man and we're going to have to have sex with him for, like, what, five days a week

04:23:39.200 or however long we have to do?

04:23:39.500 We have to have sex?

04:23:40.500 Like, you should...

04:23:41.340 Man, I love sleeping with my man.

04:23:43.560 That is what I'm saying.

04:23:44.400 You should want to sleep with someone you're attracted to.

04:23:46.340 It shouldn't feel like it's a chore.

04:23:47.960 I know.

04:23:48.280 It just sounds like you have such a horrible view of men, and I don't know if it's going

04:23:52.700 to ever change.

04:23:53.320 It's not a horrible view of men.

04:23:54.560 And I'm friends with a lot of guys.

04:23:57.120 I have a horrible view of men.

04:23:58.040 Friends.

04:23:58.520 Friends.

04:23:58.880 You don't have a good...

04:23:59.580 You haven't had a good, solid relationship with a man that is attractive, that you're

04:24:03.580 sexually attracted to.

04:24:04.200 I've had a two-year relationship.

04:24:06.080 Like, I've had multiple year-long relationships.

04:24:08.080 Was it a dead bedroom in that relationship?

04:24:10.760 Which one?

04:24:11.440 The two-year.

04:24:12.180 Both of them were honestly dead.

04:24:14.020 Do you know what I mean when I say dead bedroom?

04:24:16.280 Yeah, like it wasn't.

04:24:16.680 Wait, can you stop playing with that?

04:24:17.980 Yes.

04:24:19.040 So both of them were dead bedrooms?

04:24:21.660 Yeah, both of them.

04:24:22.320 Okay, there's a common denominator, though.

04:24:24.600 But that was obviously my fault, so...

04:24:24.880 It was what?

04:24:25.540 My fault.

04:24:26.300 It was your fault?

04:24:27.020 Yes.

04:24:27.780 How did it end up becoming a dead bedroom?

04:24:29.880 Well, I was very inexperienced sexually.

04:24:32.620 The first...

04:24:33.020 Why would that matter?

04:24:34.740 Well, the first guy I wasn't really super attracted to.

04:24:38.360 And then the second...

04:24:39.960 You're too far from the mic.

04:24:40.980 Sorry.

04:24:41.680 And then the second guy...

04:24:42.880 You can scoot the chair into the table.

04:24:45.160 And then the second guy, I don't know.

04:24:46.360 We just didn't really have any...

04:24:47.880 It didn't work.

04:24:48.440 So why did you...

04:24:49.420 Wait, hold on.

04:24:49.760 It did not work sexually.

04:24:50.320 How long did you date the second guy for?

04:24:52.420 I think a year and a half.

04:24:54.060 Why would you...

04:24:55.780 Wait.

04:24:56.520 You just kept having sex with him when you didn't like it?

04:24:59.380 No, I...

04:25:00.020 I mean, I would have kept, like, trying to make it work.

04:25:03.100 I can fix her.

04:25:04.000 No, not...

04:25:04.920 Not like that.

04:25:05.720 I would have kept trying just to see if, like, maybe...

04:25:07.580 I can fix her.

04:25:09.320 I'll fix you.

04:25:10.080 I don't know, but I think...

04:25:11.180 Deaton Cheeks donated $200.

04:25:13.580 Feminists with laundry list of requirements.

04:25:15.740 Good thing I bring a weight scale when I meet women in public, along with makeup wipes,

04:25:21.620 asking a woman's body countenance between age 18 to 25.

04:25:25.360 Wait, what?

04:25:25.960 Is that fair?

04:25:27.000 You're not getting laid, bro.

04:25:28.500 That's crazy.

04:25:28.720 That's a good idea, bro.

04:25:32.360 Bringing a weight scale?

04:25:34.020 It's crazy.

04:25:34.460 The makeup wipes, I understand.

04:25:35.780 He's trying to point out the hypocrisy.

04:25:37.780 It's crazy.

04:25:38.500 He's trying to point out the hypocrisy of women wanting...

04:25:42.620 I'm sorry.

04:25:43.340 It's all guys.

04:25:43.640 But then we show up with caked-on makeup and lying about our weight on Tinder apps and

04:25:49.600 things like that, and men lie about their height, so it's like...

04:25:51.980 Do you wear weight on Tinder?

04:25:52.660 I mean, I'm not on any dating apps, but...

04:25:54.260 Wait, thank you, Beaten Cheeks.

04:25:55.240 Wait, let's get back to the dead bedroom situation.

04:25:57.680 So, okay.

04:25:59.380 Wait, you said you've had priorities.

04:26:01.420 You've had...

04:26:01.920 If I recall correctly, you said you've had three...

04:26:05.520 Was it three relationships?

04:26:07.940 Two relationships and one Friends with Benefits.

04:26:10.560 Friends with Benefits?

04:26:11.600 Wait, it was a Friends with Benefits.

04:26:13.260 How long did you wait?

04:26:14.960 I didn't.

04:26:15.540 That's what made me realize I didn't want to do that again.

04:26:18.200 You don't want to do it again.

04:26:19.580 So you guys hooked up, like, first night?

04:26:21.740 No, no, no.

04:26:22.400 Second night?

04:26:22.860 Third night?

04:26:23.260 It was like two months, three months.

04:26:25.260 Oh, that's not even that fast.

04:26:27.440 No, it's not.

04:26:28.320 But it's still Friends with Benefits.

04:26:29.600 It wasn't official.

04:26:30.520 It wasn't official.

04:26:31.500 Okay.

04:26:32.380 But so, for you, you said you were in a two-year relationship.

04:26:35.400 That was a dead bedroom?

04:26:36.680 Yeah.

04:26:37.660 Because of you?

04:26:38.140 Well, it wasn't really a dead bedroom for him.

04:26:39.920 It was for me.

04:26:41.480 Wait, okay.

04:26:42.060 Just to be clear.

04:26:42.640 So, a dead bedroom is like there's no sex.

04:26:44.320 Just in general.

04:26:45.860 But I gave him blowjobs, like, all the time.

04:26:48.160 Did you have sex once with him?

04:26:49.320 We're getting explicit.

04:26:50.740 That's fine.

04:26:51.240 I don't mind being good and talking about the deets.

04:26:54.920 Daddy's gonna watch this.

04:26:57.000 It's okay.

04:26:57.480 It's okay.

04:26:57.820 Just let her answer it.

04:26:59.040 Okay.

04:26:59.960 Wait, so you never had sex with him, though?

04:27:02.200 The first one, no.

04:27:05.220 That's a two-year relationship?

04:27:06.480 I got into it not thinking that it was gonna last, because I was religiously Jewish at

04:27:13.740 the time.

04:27:14.720 And so, when I got into it, I was like, there's no, like, this is ending.

04:27:19.940 And that was, like, my...

04:27:20.820 So, then why...

04:27:21.560 Okay, well, and then you stayed with him for two years.

04:27:24.300 Well, we both liked each other a lot.

04:27:25.060 Sure.

04:27:25.340 And then, yeah, we stayed with each other for two years, and then I was like, I can't do

04:27:28.380 this anymore.

04:27:28.700 You shouldn't date for no purpose.

04:27:29.200 You're right.

04:27:29.600 That's my dating advice.

04:27:30.640 I agree.

04:27:30.760 Don't date without purpose.

04:27:32.080 Date for purpose.

04:27:32.700 Okay.

04:27:33.380 Your other relationship, your other relationship...

04:27:35.000 I learned.

04:27:35.340 It was a dead bedroom, too?

04:27:37.840 The second one, yeah, but that was...

04:27:38.800 But you did have sex.

04:27:39.940 We had sex.

04:27:40.840 I think that was more his fault, though, than mine.

04:27:42.740 Like, he wasn't initiating?

04:27:45.960 No, he was.

04:27:47.040 I think he didn't really know how to be with a girl who had not much experience, like me.

04:27:53.120 So, because of that, he was expecting me to behave in a certain way, and I was just...

04:27:58.200 What do you mean, behave how?

04:27:59.220 Like, I don't know.

04:28:00.200 He wanted...

04:28:00.440 Like, take initiative?

04:28:02.120 Perhaps.

04:28:02.520 I don't know.

04:28:02.980 But I don't really know what I'm doing in that regard.

04:28:04.600 So, I kind of just needed somebody to leave me.

04:28:06.400 So, you do want a guy to leave.

04:28:07.320 There you go.

04:28:07.780 Okay.

04:28:08.020 Well, you...

04:28:08.560 Okay.

04:28:08.720 That totally contradicts what we were talking about earlier.

04:28:11.420 Moving things on.

04:28:12.340 You said that...

04:28:12.880 Okay.

04:28:13.360 No, it doesn't.

04:28:15.260 Okay.

04:28:15.620 Whatever.

04:28:16.060 Fine.

04:28:16.280 I would have been fine in that relationship if he'd kept...

04:28:18.600 If he'd kept...

04:28:19.720 If he was committed.

04:28:20.880 You know what I mean?

04:28:21.440 But he was, like, fucking around because our sex wasn't that good anyways.

04:28:25.200 And then I was like, okay, I'm done with you.

04:28:26.360 The sex was bad?

04:28:27.640 Yeah.

04:28:28.080 That's why the bedroom was dead.

04:28:31.000 Did you communicate with him about this?

04:28:33.600 He knew the sex was bad.

04:28:35.140 I was...

04:28:35.260 What do you mean he knew the sex was bad?

04:28:36.200 I was not wet.

04:28:36.900 Huh?

04:28:37.240 You weren't wet?

04:28:38.100 I wasn't wet.

04:28:40.320 I was dry.

04:28:41.460 Basically, she was not attracted to him.

04:28:43.320 She did not like it.

04:28:44.760 She shouldn't have stayed.

04:28:45.720 No, I think he was just bad at foreplay and perhaps might have had porn brain or something.

04:28:50.260 Like, he always said stuff like, I'm such a porn star or whatever.

04:28:53.060 Oh, yeah.

04:28:53.520 There was no foreplay or there wasn't foreplay?

04:28:55.200 Awful man should have been broken up with ASAP.

04:28:56.880 He was not very good at foreplay.

04:28:57.700 Definitely the first boyfriend was better with foreplay.

04:29:01.100 I hope they're listening.

04:29:02.120 I hope these boyfriends are listening.

04:29:03.460 I feel bad.

04:29:04.140 I really hope they're not listening.

04:29:05.380 Jerry.

04:29:05.940 Jerry.

04:29:06.220 Sorry.

04:29:06.740 So there's...

04:29:07.540 Before we get into your point that hypergamy is men's fault, I do want to wrap up the conversation

04:29:13.660 about you seem to think that you're pushing back on...

04:29:20.600 It was my position that...

04:29:23.080 Jeez, I'm trying to remember exactly what it was.

04:29:25.500 We were basically arguing about how women have more sexual options than men and you seem

04:29:29.840 to disagree there.

04:29:32.140 No, I don't disagree on that.

04:29:34.080 You're saying...

04:29:34.480 Well, I was saying that average...

04:29:35.720 You're saying an ugly average woman would have the same amount as an attractive man.

04:29:39.060 I just...

04:29:39.460 Yeah, it has more sexual optionality.

04:29:41.880 I disagree with you.

04:29:43.000 I think you underestimate the amount of options an attractive man has.

04:29:47.260 I know a lot of women with low standards.

04:29:49.240 Hold on.

04:29:50.600 I'm talking...

04:29:51.320 So if we're talking about average...

04:29:52.720 Comparing average women to average men...

04:29:54.740 Oh, if we're talking about average women, then yes, average women have more sexual options.

04:29:57.760 Far more.

04:29:58.380 Yeah, for sure.

04:29:58.960 An average woman, if she was so inclined, could fuck three new guys a day.

04:30:02.120 100%.

04:30:02.480 An average man...

04:30:04.300 Hookup culture is not available to most men.

04:30:07.200 If hookup culture is, like, being able to casual...

04:30:10.040 Like, have casual sexual encounters...

04:30:11.520 I would disagree with you.

04:30:11.840 So the same men...

04:30:12.640 Like, I care about attraction, obviously, but I know a lot of girls that don't really care

04:30:16.840 about whether they're, like, whatever is, like, that attractive, but they...

04:30:20.420 But it's the personality that really wins them over.

04:30:22.480 That's not what I'm arguing, though.

04:30:23.820 That's not what I'm arguing.

04:30:24.240 Well, yeah, because you're saying...

04:30:25.160 I'm saying that any woman, even if she's really unattractive, has access to hookup culture.

04:30:33.060 I agree with you.

04:30:33.780 She might not actually engage in it, but she has access to it, whereas I would argue fairly

04:30:39.400 few men have access to hookup culture.

04:30:41.480 So that's where I don't think that they don't have access.

04:30:43.580 It's maybe, like, 10 or 20%.

04:30:45.220 It probably makes them...

04:30:46.080 Like, they definitely have to try harder.

04:30:47.660 And I think the reason for this disparity is because women genuinely do try pretty hard

04:30:52.440 to be a good partner for a man.

04:30:54.800 And men don't?

04:30:55.560 Yeah, I don't think men do.

04:30:56.880 I think men have this idea...

04:30:58.260 Really?

04:30:58.560 Women put in...

04:30:58.920 I think...

04:30:59.360 No, no, no.

04:30:59.720 Let me change.

04:31:01.540 Girl, you...

04:31:01.940 Like, somebody hurt you.

04:31:03.200 Somebody hurt you.

04:31:03.680 Allow me to rephrase.

04:31:04.940 Men put in...

04:31:05.420 I think...

04:31:05.920 You don't do...

04:31:06.860 Women don't do really much in the courtship process.

04:31:10.620 What do you bring to the table?

04:31:12.080 What I meant to say...

04:31:13.200 What do you bring to the table?

04:31:14.540 Is that I think men put their efforts in the wrong places.

04:31:17.420 How so?

04:31:18.080 What efforts?

04:31:20.020 Like, for example...

04:31:20.820 What wrong places?

04:31:21.420 They're like, okay, we don't have to try at all on our attraction or our hygiene or our...

04:31:26.940 That's so not true.

04:31:28.120 That's not true.

04:31:29.140 If we just try in these aspects, it's fine.

04:31:31.300 Whereas a woman is like, I have to be pretty.

04:31:33.960 I have to have a job.

04:31:34.960 I have to do all these things.

04:31:36.060 Have a job?

04:31:36.760 No.

04:31:37.120 Today, you have to have a job.

04:31:38.920 Girls don't have to have any of that.

04:31:41.060 You can find...

04:31:41.880 You can find...

04:31:43.020 I'm not saying that, but I'm saying you can totally find a girl without a job and a guy

04:31:47.880 will be okay with dating her, though.

04:31:49.320 Yeah.

04:31:49.440 That is completely true.

04:31:50.640 Okay, but he's not going to...

04:31:52.100 By versa, absolutely not.

04:31:53.100 He's not going to be good...

04:31:53.940 He's not going to be able to date her because he's going to be like, I don't have enough

04:31:56.800 money yet.

04:31:57.240 I need to make more money.

04:31:58.060 I need to make at least 80K.

04:31:59.640 So then you need to date people that are older, probably, then.

04:32:02.460 That's why.

04:32:03.240 No one's going to be rich at 24, 25, or however old you are.

04:32:07.340 It takes time.

04:32:08.240 That's why I don't necessarily have that standard, right?

04:32:11.000 I'm not necessarily like...

04:32:12.700 I think you...

04:32:13.800 I work at home, first of all.

04:32:15.440 I'm a freelancer, so it helps because I don't necessarily think he has to be the only one

04:32:20.700 making money because I can make money from home.

04:32:22.960 Do you want Amazon?

04:32:23.600 Yeah, it's not on Amazon, but I help people who work with Amazon.

04:32:30.780 Okay.

04:32:32.180 Yeah.

04:32:32.780 Like companies that work with Amazon?

04:32:34.380 Yeah.

04:32:34.760 So I don't necessarily need him to be the only broad woman.

04:32:37.080 She's not like in the warehouse.

04:32:37.840 I mean, I would actually argue, though, I mean, just you said that, well, men don't

04:32:41.500 have to focus on their looks, and women have...

04:32:43.380 There's these beauty standards that women have to take...

04:32:44.980 No, I said men should focus on their looks more.

04:32:47.620 Well, here's the other kind of issue, is that women's assessment of men's physical appearance,

04:32:56.160 like men will grade women on a bell curve, whereas women have a very disproportionate assessment

04:33:04.020 of men's physical attractiveness.

04:33:05.440 For example, I think this...

04:33:07.660 And Nick, you might have some graphs or something.

04:33:09.960 Yeah, they basically don't find any...

04:33:11.240 They find 80% of...

04:33:11.940 They don't find any of them attractive.

04:33:13.340 Yeah, women find 80% of men unattractive.

04:33:16.500 Okay.

04:33:16.700 That's not a...

04:33:17.400 So while 80% of them are not all...

04:33:19.440 It's like just what...

04:33:20.280 I'm not going to say...

04:33:21.260 I'm not going to say that all...

04:33:22.160 It's what our brains are attracted to, I guess.

04:33:23.120 I'm not going to say that all 80% of them are not trying at all, but I would argue that

04:33:27.220 a large majority of that 80% is probably putting very little to no effort into their looks, and that's

04:33:31.740 why women think they're okay.

04:33:32.260 I don't know.

04:33:32.580 I've seen some nasty girls, so I just want...

04:33:34.940 Yeah, that's fair.

04:33:35.280 As long as we're bashing men over here, I'm like, I've seen some girls who look trash.

04:33:38.300 Girls can be really ugly sometimes, but for the most part, girls have...

04:33:42.020 Bro, have you seen y'all bathrooms?

04:33:43.060 Y'all bathrooms are fucked up.

04:33:44.080 100%...

04:33:44.860 I mean, our bathrooms?

04:33:46.760 Women's bathrooms are fucked up.

04:33:47.760 He's correct.

04:33:48.880 I walk into bathrooms most of the time and say, I cannot believe this is a woman's bathroom.

04:33:52.720 This is disgusting.

04:33:53.780 Women have failed us.

04:33:54.760 Yeah, bro.

04:33:55.460 Y'all piss all over the fucking seat, all that shit.

04:33:58.560 Wait, where are you in women's bathrooms?

04:34:00.500 I've heard from women.

04:34:02.760 Why are you in a male's restroom?

04:34:04.920 I opened a male's restroom the other day in the gas station on the way here, and it was

04:34:08.340 disgusting.

04:34:08.720 Do you know why our bathrooms are so disgusting like that?

04:34:11.380 Because now there's men identifying as women coming in there, and they're messing it all

04:34:14.980 up.

04:34:15.440 That's not it.

04:34:16.320 They've always been through the women's bathrooms.

04:34:17.140 I've seen women's tampons all over the forest, not just because of that.

04:34:20.100 Those are also from men.

04:34:21.720 Okay.

04:34:22.260 All right.

04:34:24.340 Oh, man.

04:34:25.420 All right.

04:34:26.000 She...

04:34:26.480 Do we do the...

04:34:27.740 What...

04:34:28.020 Oh, so one of her things was like hypergamy.

04:34:31.000 Let's skip to the hypergamy chart, because she actually has a tweet about it that you retweeted

04:34:35.720 recently.

04:34:36.440 So you say hypergamy is men's fault, correct?

04:34:39.000 Yeah.

04:34:39.560 Pull up her tweet first, and then we'll go to our chart.

04:34:44.100 Bringing up my tweets.

04:34:45.840 Great.

04:34:46.120 So are you like a plant feminist?

04:34:50.120 I'm a feminist.

04:34:51.040 Like a plant?

04:34:51.580 Her tweet.

04:34:51.900 I think men and women should be equal.

04:34:53.900 I just don't think you do.

04:34:54.940 It's like a...

04:34:55.680 I do.

04:34:55.900 Everything you say doesn't go with that.

04:34:57.640 Okay.

04:34:57.840 For the first month of dating.

04:34:58.960 You think women should be treated with respect?

04:35:01.360 I don't think you want men to be equal.

04:35:02.880 This one.

04:35:03.380 Can you zoom in out of there?

04:35:04.500 No, no.

04:35:04.520 We already went through that.

04:35:05.220 We already went through all that.

04:35:06.600 You already went through all that.

04:35:06.780 Put us on the other side.

04:35:07.620 But if he's really attractive, I'll make the first move.

04:35:09.640 I've done it before.

04:35:10.600 Kat.

04:35:11.140 I don't care.

04:35:12.260 So you retweeted this.

04:35:13.120 Kat, but I've done it before.

04:35:14.260 You retweeted this.

04:35:15.140 This image has broken the psyches of hundreds of thousands of 18 to 24-year-old men who do

04:35:19.660 not touch grass.

04:35:20.640 Scroll down.

04:35:21.880 Scroll out.

04:35:22.420 Or actually, that's fine right there.

04:35:23.940 So this is...

04:35:25.280 Nick, can you show us the hypergamy chart now?

04:35:27.600 Mm-hmm.

04:35:28.760 All right.

04:35:29.120 So this is typically the way this is more easily...

04:35:32.560 Make us smaller, please.

04:35:33.780 Yeah.

04:35:35.640 This is typically how this infographic is presented, not the weird cube one or block one or whatever.

04:35:42.520 So on the left, you have whom men would happily partner with.

04:35:46.420 And on the right, you have whom women would happily partner with.

04:35:49.580 Well, I mean, this is actually...

04:35:51.320 You say...

04:35:52.400 I mean, you retweeted that tweet, so I assume you agree with it.

04:35:55.080 I agree.

04:35:55.540 Herpergamy exists.

04:35:55.780 I mean, this is actually a phenomenon.

04:35:58.060 Yeah, I agree.

04:35:58.500 It exists.

04:35:59.380 I'm not going to disagree with you on that.

04:36:00.760 I just think that men would rather, especially respectfully on podcasts like these, they would

04:36:07.680 rather blame the women instead of looking internally and saying, okay, what can we do

04:36:12.600 to improve?

04:36:14.180 Because a lot of...

04:36:14.820 And I'm not saying...

04:36:15.440 But that is female hypergamy.

04:36:17.980 What do you mean?

04:36:18.680 Well, women don't just tend to accept men as they are.

04:36:22.820 Men have to level up in various ways.

04:36:24.700 Don't you think if you're supposed to be fit to lead a home, you should have like...

04:36:28.240 You should be a very strong, intelligent, educated man.

04:36:31.880 And there's a lot of not those.

04:36:33.420 Would you not be frustrated if women had...

04:36:35.300 Don't you think if you're fit to not be a nagging wife, right, that one of the things

04:36:38.400 that you'd bring to the table...

04:36:39.720 Well, it seems like men would just go for anything, though.

04:36:41.280 Let them finish.

04:36:42.000 Maybe something you'd bring to the table would be humbleness, right?

04:36:45.600 Yeah.

04:36:45.780 Maybe the ability to back off a little bit on criticisms, things like this.

04:36:51.320 Jesus Christ was a humble servant to his church to serve your husband.

04:36:55.280 Yeah.

04:36:55.480 So one of the things that I look at when I see a chart like that...

04:37:00.040 So it's showing the top three if you pull the chart back up.

04:37:03.520 I'm right.

04:37:04.300 You say hypergamy is real and it's correct.

04:37:07.720 It's men's fault because they're not dressing as nice.

04:37:10.440 They're not doing their hair up as good.

04:37:12.740 They're not going to the gym as much.

04:37:15.020 They don't work on themselves.

04:37:16.500 They'd rather just blame it all on women.

04:37:18.200 So it's all a women problem.

04:37:19.440 And while there are no doubt women who definitely do contribute to hypergamy,

04:37:24.220 I don't think that if men as a whole actually worked on themselves...

04:37:29.820 Wait, I actually think men are more involved in self-improvement than women are

04:37:33.600 because men get beat down constantly.

04:37:35.840 A man can't just sit there and be delusional.

04:37:38.080 I'm a 10, I'm a 10, I'm a 10.

04:37:39.560 He's going to have life slap him in the fucking face.

04:37:42.140 I would actually argue you have a society that's against the fat-shaming shit.

04:37:48.560 Oh, you're beautiful at any size.

04:37:51.320 Actually, I would argue that women who make poor choices and who refuse to self-improve,

04:37:56.520 they get coddled, whereas men get slapped in the fucking face

04:38:00.120 if they're just going to be fat slobs.

04:38:02.420 I would agree with you on that, yeah.

04:38:04.760 I agree with you on that, but I don't necessarily think that men as a whole

04:38:10.140 are doing the best they can, sorry, are doing the best they can to attract women.

04:38:15.580 Who's more likely to be focused on their physical fitness, men or women?

04:38:18.700 That's, I think right now it's men, but I think women, honestly, we have a lower sex drive,

04:38:25.700 and therefore I think it's more important for the men to be more attractive.

04:38:29.380 That is not true.

04:38:30.460 That women have a lower sex drive, that's a myth.

04:38:33.120 Is it a myth?

04:38:33.660 I might disagree with you on that.

04:38:35.040 I think that's true.

04:38:36.180 No, it's not true that women have a lower sex drive.

04:38:39.980 What?

04:38:40.840 It's true.

04:38:41.760 Well, what about the testosterone?

04:38:43.020 But why do...

04:38:43.620 The testosterone thing is interesting, right?

04:38:46.380 It's an argument that I used to make, right?

04:38:48.860 So people always ask, can you change your mind?

04:38:51.300 Yeah, I can change my mind.

04:38:52.160 I used to make the same argument that take a look at testosterone.

04:38:56.700 That's true, but, you know, women, they require less testosterone.

04:39:00.800 They still have testosterone, and they just require less of it,

04:39:04.400 and when their balance of testosterone is where it needs to be,

04:39:06.860 yeah, they're just like men in that regard.

04:39:09.460 They just require less of it.

04:39:11.220 So it's an interesting phenomenon, but the more that they're looking at it,

04:39:14.500 the more they think, yeah, it's not nearly as lopsided as we thought.

04:39:17.860 So it's possible that my perspective on this might be a little bit warped

04:39:21.240 because I come from a Jewish community where it's like, you know,

04:39:23.280 girls are not supposed to be sexual.

04:39:24.860 Not the highest testosterone community, maybe.

04:39:28.200 Yeah, so, I mean, especially among the females, right?

04:39:32.380 Women aren't supposed to be, like, partaking in that sort of stuff,

04:39:35.340 so that might frame my viewpoint a little bit.

04:39:38.320 Well, not just that.

04:39:39.560 It might not just be that, but, you know, it could be your hormones, too.

04:39:44.520 Like, have you taken birth control?

04:39:46.480 I did. I didn't like it.

04:39:47.680 Yeah, so, I mean, that throws women's hormones off constantly,

04:39:50.800 messes them all up, messes their sex drive all up.

04:39:52.940 Yeah, but before and then after is the same, right?

04:39:56.600 No.

04:39:56.960 I'm speaking from personal experience for me.

04:39:58.800 Well, okay.

04:39:59.560 Like, before I had it.

04:40:00.260 You mean before you took it?

04:40:01.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:40:01.160 And then after, and then I got rid of it.

04:40:02.680 It was all the same.

04:40:03.760 I'm just saying that it could be chemicals.

04:40:05.300 It could be all kinds of different things.

04:40:06.940 But your experience definitely seems to be an exception to what we usually hear on here.

04:40:11.340 I hear what you're saying, but I think that if men as a whole did put more energy into their looks,

04:40:17.680 I have, I want to pull up my Twitter just to show you.

04:40:20.500 But there's, like, there's one video of a guy who went to go get a haircut.

04:40:25.000 His hair was just, like, I don't know.

04:40:26.260 He just looked like a random average dude.

04:40:27.760 And then after the haircut was done, he looked, like, a 10 out of 10.

04:40:30.340 And, like, it's really just as simple as, like, putting some energy in.

04:40:33.860 Find the haircut that works for your face.

04:40:35.980 Find a fashion style that you like and makes you, like, flatters your features.

04:40:40.540 Go out looking like you actually intentionally tried.

04:40:43.840 Because that's what women do, and that's why we're attractive.

04:40:47.380 I agree with you.

04:40:47.740 Because we actually put effort into our looks.

04:40:49.360 I totally agree with you.

04:40:51.040 If you look at the effort on the other side, it sure seems like they're putting in a lot of effort.

04:40:55.180 Putting in a lot of effort to make more money.

04:40:56.840 That's what I'm saying.

04:40:58.160 That's what I was telling you before.

04:40:59.480 Putting in a lot of effort to get better cars, get better clothes, go to the gym.

04:41:03.200 In the wrong direction.

04:41:03.440 It's crazy.

04:41:04.660 So I think them wanting to obviously.

04:41:06.860 You've got guys, right?

04:41:07.600 Now you've got an entire industry, these pickup artist crazies, right?

04:41:10.660 And they are selling men hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of courses so that they can learn how to do all that shit you just talked about.

04:41:17.620 Yeah.

04:41:17.780 And meanwhile, if they literally just invested 20 minutes into their looks, like, every day, it would have to do that.

04:41:23.400 Yeah, but, I mean, you have to have some kind of guide for that, right?

04:41:26.360 So that's how they're able to make.

04:41:27.720 That's how they're able to make that kind of cash.

04:41:29.640 I mean, men are investing tons into this kind of stuff.

04:41:33.060 I would rather have my man.

04:41:35.640 Tons of money, tons of time, and tons of effort.

04:41:37.740 Into fashion?

04:41:38.800 Not just fashion, but working out, right?

04:41:42.780 Working out, self-improvement.

04:41:44.240 That's a huge thing in society right now for young men.

04:41:47.840 Self-improvement.

04:41:48.520 Yeah, but I think it's misrepresented to them.

04:41:51.440 I think what they view as self-improvement is not necessarily – and same for women, by the way.

04:41:56.820 I'm going to apply it to both sides.

04:41:58.320 I think a lot of people on both sides put their energy in the wrong place and call it self-improvement when it's not.

04:42:06.040 Yeah, but I don't understand because the things that you say are the place to put it in, that's where they're putting it.

04:42:11.440 Having a job to sustain yourself isn't something you should be doing for women.

04:42:15.820 That's something everybody should just be doing in general, right?

04:42:18.560 So that's not something someone should pat you on the back for.

04:42:20.400 No, I'm not talking about a job, but you're saying the self-improvement of looks.

04:42:24.640 But it's called looks-maxing, and it's a big deal.

04:42:27.760 That's a huge part of self-improvement for men.

04:42:30.280 Now it's becoming more of a big deal.

04:42:31.640 I think that's a good thing.

04:42:32.220 It has been for years.

04:42:32.940 It doesn't even have to just be looks-maxing.

04:42:35.360 It's just grooming in general.

04:42:37.080 Like a lot of men just don't –

04:42:37.820 But that's looks-maxing, right?

04:42:39.500 Not really.

04:42:40.380 How's it not?

04:42:42.000 I'm talking about hygiene and stuff like that.

04:42:44.700 Looks-maxing.

04:42:44.840 That's looks-maxing.

04:42:46.100 That's everything.

04:42:47.120 I don't think we want to go to that other –

04:42:48.620 There's another extreme for this.

04:42:50.160 I'm talking about hygiene, though.

04:42:50.820 Yeah, but there's another extreme.

04:42:52.080 You swing the pendulum the other way, and we have these soy boys who are waxing their eyebrows

04:42:57.040 and wearing makeup, and that's nasty.

04:42:59.260 I'd rather my men focus on making the money so that I can stay home with our children

04:43:04.240 and maintaining their physical bodies so that they can be my protector and provider.

04:43:08.920 So, like, the whole look thing, I feel like, is so dismissive.

04:43:11.480 That's the most attractive men in Hollywood.

04:43:13.080 Hold on.

04:43:13.700 You've been talking the whole podcast.

04:43:15.640 Just keep going.

04:43:18.740 Never end.

04:43:19.280 I wonder if this is a problem in relationships for you.

04:43:23.920 I know.

04:43:24.720 Tell me about it.

04:43:25.700 Like, they talk about that.

04:43:27.040 Having a nagging wife.

04:43:28.260 I just want to watch Breaking Bad.

04:43:28.880 Literally that right now.

04:43:30.120 I just want to watch Breaking Bad.

04:43:31.620 Can you kindly zip it?

04:43:34.340 You're right.

04:43:34.920 You're right.

04:43:35.460 I'm sorry.

04:43:36.040 No, no, no.

04:43:36.540 Okay.

04:43:39.300 I didn't mean to tie you off.

04:43:40.660 I just saw.

04:43:42.220 Okay.

04:43:43.660 I'm not going to say it.

04:43:44.760 Wait.

04:43:45.100 I have a question for you.

04:43:45.940 I'm not going to say it.

04:43:46.620 No.

04:43:47.480 You say the guys, they have to, like, make themselves look better, but, like, not average.

04:43:56.860 Like, would you date an average guy?

04:43:59.500 Maybe.

04:43:59.860 Maybe.

04:44:00.600 Maybe.

04:44:01.240 Yeah.

04:44:01.820 Maybe.

04:44:02.560 What do you mean maybe?

04:44:03.140 Depends if he's nice to me.

04:44:03.740 If he tries.

04:44:04.080 Let's say he's nice to you.

04:44:04.860 If he has a good personality and he's charming, yeah?

04:44:06.020 Let's say he's got an averagely nice personality and he's pleasant.

04:44:09.900 Okay.

04:44:10.220 If you're all average all across the board, probably not.

04:44:12.420 No.

04:44:13.180 Like, you need something to stand out.

04:44:16.800 If you're going to be average on love.

04:44:18.820 Why?

04:44:19.260 Because who wants to date, like...

04:44:20.380 Aren't you average?

04:44:21.800 I guess everybody's average, but when you're trying to present yourself to somebody, you don't

04:44:25.860 really want to be average.

04:44:26.820 You know what?

04:44:27.560 You've actually just made the case for female hypergamy.

04:44:29.860 You're, in my estimation, you strike me as a fairly average woman.

04:44:33.680 I'm not saying that to be insulting.

04:44:35.320 That's fine.

04:44:35.460 Yet you need a guy to set himself apart, to be more than just average.

04:44:41.180 I don't.

04:44:42.000 I just need to put a little effort into his looks because no guy does that.

04:44:46.260 If you're putting effort into your looks, you're already above average for a guy.

04:44:49.680 First off, I would actually argue, I would actually argue, hold on, that...

04:44:54.100 Please make some comments, please.

04:44:55.500 Hold on.

04:44:55.980 We'll get to it.

04:44:56.860 I would actually argue when it comes to physical appearance, women have far more rigid standards

04:45:01.460 when it comes to body types they want in men.

04:45:03.920 I'd probably agree with you.

04:45:05.000 I would argue that depictions of aspirational body types for men are far harder to attain

04:45:23.700 than what you see of women.

04:45:25.640 That, I would kind of say, it's pretty equal.

04:45:30.060 I think men struggle with body image issues, especially ones who care enough to go to the

04:45:36.600 gym and do whatnot, all that jazz.

04:45:38.580 I think they struggle similarly to girls who also either have eating disorders or put in

04:45:44.380 all that energy to go to the gym and whatnot.

04:45:46.820 I think it's a pretty similar struggle in that regard.

04:45:48.800 Well, okay.

04:45:49.700 Like, let's look at superhero movies, right?

04:45:51.920 Like, the female leads in these superhero movies, I would argue that their physique is

04:45:58.740 achievable by 90% of women.

04:46:02.600 No, it's not.

04:46:03.160 Yes, it is.

04:46:04.040 Okay, so that's just ignorance.

04:46:04.920 It's really, it's just, they have maybe a little bit of muscle, maybe.

04:46:08.860 Yeah, but then you look at Aquaman.

04:46:10.780 Oh my gosh.

04:46:11.380 Like, look at his standard.

04:46:12.300 I agree with you on that, but I'm just saying...

04:46:14.300 But that's what I'm arguing.

04:46:15.240 It's unachievable.

04:46:15.620 No, but you're acting like every single supermodel woman is achievable for a girl.

04:46:21.020 That's not true.

04:46:22.000 If we look...

04:46:22.980 It's more achievable.

04:46:23.460 It's more achievable for women.

04:46:25.720 I think that's probably equally...

04:46:26.840 Because if you want a supermodel girl, she's going to have to go to the gym and work out

04:46:30.620 just the same.

04:46:31.660 No, no.

04:46:31.980 Yes, she is.

04:46:32.560 You cannot be a supermodel and not go to the gym and work out and do any bad stuff.

04:46:35.120 Actually, I would argue that the female body that 80, 90% of men would deem, it might

04:46:43.240 not be the ultimate, but the female body that is extremely achievable that 80 to 90% of

04:46:51.260 men would find attractive, which is just a woman with a low body fat percentage, without

04:46:55.600 any...

04:46:56.240 But that's not a superwoman one.

04:46:57.260 Even without any...

04:46:58.640 Well, actually, if I show you pictures of fucking...

04:47:00.900 Bro, they're fucking thin, dude.

04:47:02.720 Hold on.

04:47:02.900 They're thin, but they're strong women.

04:47:04.800 You have to maintain that.

04:47:06.120 That's not something that just comes easily.

04:47:07.720 And also, a lot of women have stomach problems and things that cause bloating and other issues.

04:47:12.640 It's not just a matter of, oh, I'm just thin.

04:47:15.640 Yeah, but every woman at this table would be acceptable to the majority of men.

04:47:20.220 Yes, but women...

04:47:21.480 Until we take our clothes off.

04:47:24.880 Until we take our clothes off.

04:47:27.220 Until we take our clothes off.

04:47:28.740 No, that's not true.

04:47:29.240 No, I think naked men would still take all of us, whereas with men, we're so judgy on

04:47:34.620 men.

04:47:34.860 I think women hold themselves to a higher standard.

04:47:37.840 I know.

04:47:38.320 I think...

04:47:38.840 Like, even if men...

04:47:40.000 Oh, I don't know about that one.

04:47:41.480 I mean, this is true, because a lot of...

04:47:42.900 Why do you think women hold themselves to a standard in the world we live in currently?

04:47:45.900 Beauty, beauty, beauty.

04:47:46.960 Okay, just beauty.

04:47:47.620 Yeah, yeah.

04:47:48.100 I'm just talking about beauty.

04:47:49.040 Okay.

04:47:49.440 Women hold themselves to a higher beauty standard than men do.

04:47:51.800 That's why you see the discrepancy, right?

04:47:53.400 And that's why...

04:47:53.580 Well, you're using a specific term there, beauty.

04:47:55.960 That's...

04:47:56.440 I'm only referring to beauty.

04:47:58.360 Well, men's standards is a bit different, because...

04:48:01.120 They're subjective.

04:48:02.560 Men aren't really looking for beauty.

04:48:04.400 Maybe they're looking...

04:48:05.360 Okay, let's talk about physique, then.

04:48:07.340 Let's remove facial whatever from it.

04:48:10.440 The female beauty standard that feminists cry about is more than obtainable for like

04:48:15.360 90% of women.

04:48:17.240 Flat stomach, maybe a little bit of muscle tone, healthy BMI.

04:48:20.940 That's the extent of it.

04:48:22.620 Okay, and meanwhile, half of America is obese.

04:48:26.060 Cool, but that's for both men and women.

04:48:28.080 Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

04:48:29.220 Now, the male beauty standard...

04:48:30.260 The average person is actually not attractive.

04:48:31.140 Guys, stop with the fucking...

04:48:32.600 Oh, my God.

04:48:33.340 Stop with the sidebars.

04:48:34.820 The male beauty standard that's rarely challenged by the mainstream media is literally unobtainable

04:48:41.240 without two, if not three, of the following things.

04:48:44.020 I agree with you.

04:48:44.500 Elite genetics, steroids, and five plus years of treating the gym like a part-time job.

04:48:50.300 I agree with you, which is why I think it's detrimental.

04:48:52.120 Nick, you had some photos?

04:48:53.720 Let's see some photos.

04:48:55.420 All right.

04:48:55.600 That's what I'm talking about.

04:48:56.780 Yeah.

04:48:57.140 I think it's detrimental.

04:48:58.680 Next.

04:48:59.700 Next.

04:49:01.700 Okay, he's...

04:49:02.700 I think he was definitely...

04:49:03.820 That's why I think it's detrimental.

04:49:05.160 And let's see the women.

04:49:06.260 Let's see the women.

04:49:07.520 Bro, you go to a fucking college town, bro.

04:49:12.080 Girls be looking...

04:49:12.980 Like, you could find this...

04:49:14.000 That is why I think it's detrimental to suggest that the only way a man can improve his looks

04:49:18.600 is by going to the gym.

04:49:19.540 They don't look like that because they don't...

04:49:20.460 Right?

04:49:20.780 Like, there are other ways you can...

04:49:21.760 That's an attraction trigger in women is strength and muscularity.

04:49:25.480 Sure, but that's not the only thing, right?

04:49:27.480 If a man is attractive...

04:49:27.740 Is there another one there?

04:49:28.720 Where Scar Jo...

04:49:29.600 Scar Jo.

04:49:30.380 That doesn't make a difference.

04:49:30.780 You could see this...

04:49:32.000 You could see this...

04:49:33.120 Like, this is a normal...

04:49:34.720 She's attractive, right?

04:49:35.600 Yeah, but these women have to work really hard before they go into movies.

04:49:37.980 For this?

04:49:38.080 They don't look like that when they're in the movies.

04:49:39.800 That's their average body, but people train really hard for these movies, and they get bigger.

04:49:43.780 Even those men, they go through training so that they look the way they want everyone else to perceive them.

04:49:50.520 Do you think it's the same, though?

04:49:51.580 Do you think it's...

04:49:51.980 He's just saying that it's more achievable for most women to look like that than it is for most men to look like Hugh Jackman.

04:49:57.240 No, there's no way I could go to the gym and look like that very, very, very easily within a few weeks if I wanted to.

04:50:07.240 Go back to Hugh Jackman for many reasons.

04:50:09.740 My husband would have to work for three months eating completely clean, taking supplements on a protein, on a strict diet, with a trainer twice a day to even try to look like that.

04:50:20.660 It's like that's...

04:50:21.920 So I don't disagree with you.

04:50:23.140 I just think that there are certain, there are other ways a man can try to improve his looks, which is mainly his fashion and his hair, which, again, I don't think any man really tries.

04:50:31.500 Was there something else we were going to pull up there?

04:50:32.620 I don't think if men change their fashion and their hair, female hypergamy is going to go away.

04:50:36.920 That's insane.

04:50:37.640 I totally agree with you on that.

04:50:39.260 There's a video on my Twitter that literally shows a guy who has the worst hair ever.

04:50:43.600 He looks like maybe five out of ten.

04:50:45.300 Then he gets a haircut, and he looks so good.

04:50:46.960 You got baited.

04:50:47.780 You're just like those...

04:50:48.880 I didn't get baited.

04:50:49.880 It's just true.

04:50:50.520 It's the same thing as those Asian chicks.

04:50:52.580 Guys who go in, and they do all their makeup up, and they look like tens, and they take all that shit off, and they're threes, and you're like...

04:50:58.540 If I shaved my head, you think I'd have just an easy time finding somebody to have sex with if I just decided to shave my head?

04:51:04.500 Yeah, I probably wouldn't have much trouble.

04:51:06.760 Just as now, it'd be equally as easy.

04:51:09.180 For you to what?

04:51:10.000 Go out and find...

04:51:10.780 To find a guy to fuck?

04:51:11.440 I bet you anything that if you walked over to a guy...

04:51:14.060 You can even run this experiment.

04:51:15.440 You go out on the street and find some random guy and go,

04:51:17.620 Hey, you want to come back to my apartment?

04:51:18.980 Fuck.

04:51:19.340 And he'll be like, sure.

04:51:20.200 And then you go home, and you shave your head, go to the same guy the next day, and ask him, he'll do it again.

04:51:25.200 Yep.

04:51:25.660 Men are forged in the fires of society and the inner battles of the soul.

04:51:30.180 We have no intrinsic values and have to build ourselves up from one, whereas women just need to show up.

04:51:36.960 Hmm.

04:51:37.560 Completely agree.

04:51:38.300 I mean, yeah.

04:51:38.920 I mean...

04:51:40.560 Yeah, probably.

04:51:41.100 And I'm personally okay with God.

04:51:42.440 I would really like to just show up.

04:51:44.080 I think you guys need to engage on the other side of things, because women have, like, very similar feelings about men on the other side, right?

04:51:52.220 Especially rad, fems, and, like, the further feministic you go, right?

04:51:57.320 Let's do the dating app.

04:51:58.300 We're going to do her dating app review.

04:52:00.360 All right, guys.

04:52:01.020 Here she is on Bumble.

04:52:03.620 There I am.

04:52:04.600 That's a filter.

04:52:05.060 Oh, that's a filter.

04:52:06.040 Yes, it is.

04:52:06.600 Cheating.

04:52:07.260 Okay, so that's catfishing.

04:52:08.860 Wow.

04:52:09.560 That's misrepresenting.

04:52:11.620 You're misrepresenting your physical appearance.

04:52:14.620 Okay, I hid my bags, and I made my new ones.

04:52:16.880 I've seen a lot of men doing this.

04:52:17.880 I've seen a lot of men doing this.

04:52:18.700 Not the worst thing in the world.

04:52:20.880 She's five feet.

04:52:22.120 That's good for you.

04:52:23.660 Oh, she smokes socially.

04:52:26.200 Yeah.

04:52:26.920 Okay, sorry, Andrew.

04:52:28.180 I also smoke weed a lot.

04:52:28.820 Ooh, okay.

04:52:30.480 Sorry, guys.

04:52:31.300 She wants a relationship.

04:52:32.900 She wants kids someday.

04:52:33.940 She's an atheist.

04:52:35.060 She goes to the gym, plays video games, baking sushi, road trips.

04:52:38.240 What the fuck does everybody eat sushi?

04:52:39.680 Pretty basic.

04:52:40.440 It's an obsession with sushi.

04:52:43.080 Bro, I'm telling you, you got to find a man who will lead you.

04:52:47.780 You got to quit the drinking, quit the smoking, and quit the weed.

04:52:51.360 You said socially you drink.

04:52:53.180 How is a man supposed to lead her?

04:52:55.600 What do you mean?

04:52:56.120 Like, yeah, I just feel like it's constant.

04:52:58.440 I mean.

04:52:58.860 You can lead her to the bar.

04:52:59.720 Yeah, I kind of need somebody to be my equal, not a leader, so I disagree with you.

04:53:02.500 Well, I know, but you're just always taught.

04:53:03.700 I feel like they can't even get a word in edgewise.

04:53:06.320 Wait, why don't you guys have a back and forth?

04:53:08.240 We're engaging, I think.

04:53:09.240 Why don't you guys have a back and forth?

04:53:10.500 I want to know what you bring.

04:53:13.180 I'm not saying this as, like, being rude, but what do you bring to a relationship?

04:53:17.000 Love and care and everything a husband needs.

04:53:20.140 What does everything a husband need?

04:53:21.160 Because my first relationship was beautiful.

04:53:24.100 It was a friendship.

04:53:25.080 We told each other everything.

04:53:26.460 Like, that's exactly what I want.

04:53:28.420 Did you allow him to lead you?

04:53:30.000 No.

04:53:30.800 We were together, a team.

04:53:32.140 That's what I want.

04:53:32.740 Wait, was this the one where you guys never had sex?

04:53:35.460 Yes.

04:53:35.780 Okay.

04:53:36.620 But why did this one end?

04:53:37.380 You're going to be on team cat lady.

04:53:39.040 Hang on.

04:53:39.460 So you're in a relationship.

04:53:41.220 You're not, just remind me, you weren't having sex because you wanted to stay a virgin,

04:53:47.460 or you just weren't sexually attracted to him?

04:53:51.160 At the time, I was very religious.

04:53:52.260 So I did, at first, want to just be a virgin.

04:53:54.500 Then I lost my virginity, and then, I mean, not my virginity, sorry, my religion.

04:53:58.560 And then I didn't necessarily want to do anything with him because I just wasn't attracted.

04:54:03.520 But when we first started, it was on the basis that it wasn't going to go anywhere.

04:54:08.660 And I also met him online, and we had our relationship entirely online for the first, like, year.

04:54:13.360 Jay did?

04:54:14.140 Okay.

04:54:14.380 I just, I feel like I want to give you a piece of loving advice.

04:54:17.600 I would love to see you in a relationship where you bite your tongue, like, half the time,

04:54:22.980 and just allow him to lead you.

04:54:25.120 Let's go.

04:54:26.300 Okay.

04:54:26.800 I didn't need that in my first relationship, so I'd rather find somebody who respects me.

04:54:30.740 What else should she do?

04:54:31.660 This is good.

04:54:32.820 What else should she do?

04:54:33.640 I do.

04:54:33.880 I mean, I feel like bite your tongue.

04:54:35.700 Submit a little bit to a man.

04:54:37.500 Respectfully disagree.

04:54:38.520 And I feel like don't have such high standards on a guy.

04:54:42.220 That I might agree with.

04:54:43.040 You don't, I mean, you don't have a ton to bring to the table either.

04:54:45.900 I might agree with you on that, but not on the ton to bring to the table, because as

04:54:48.920 long as you bring love and respect, that's really.

04:54:50.780 That's it.

04:54:51.160 I know, but I feel like you're not loving and respecting him if you're not allowing him

04:54:54.180 to lead you.

04:54:55.660 If you respect him and you love him and you trust him, then you trust him to lead your

04:55:00.220 family and lead your decisions.

04:55:01.240 If both people respect each other, they'd be working as a team.

04:55:03.520 Nobody would be a leader.

04:55:04.820 No, no, no.

04:55:05.200 You have roles in the house.

04:55:06.340 Teams have leaders.

04:55:07.000 I cook, I clean, I take care of my children.

04:55:08.580 Teams literally have leaders.

04:55:10.560 Yes, you still.

04:55:11.920 When two consciousnesses come into contact, they always try to dominate each other.

04:55:17.080 Okay, I disagree.

04:55:17.500 That's the way it works.

04:55:18.360 I don't think that's true.

04:55:19.500 You're cooking.

04:55:20.080 You're cooking.

04:55:20.280 Keep going.

04:55:20.720 You have two different roles.

04:55:22.360 Cook her up.

04:55:22.860 You have two different roles.

04:55:24.380 Cook her up.

04:55:25.140 Girl.

04:55:25.720 Cook her up.

04:55:26.140 We have listened to you all night.

04:55:27.320 Listen to her.

04:55:27.660 We have listened to you all night.

04:55:28.660 I need you to listen here.

04:55:29.820 Listen up.

04:55:30.460 You have my ear.

04:55:31.340 Listen up.

04:55:31.780 I just feel like there are two roles in a marriage.

04:55:36.140 Someone is going to stay home with the children and cook and clean and be barefoot in the kitchen.

04:55:41.240 And I know that's hard to hear.

04:55:42.880 And while you're doing that, your man is taking care.

04:55:45.200 He is providing.

04:55:45.940 He is making the money.

04:55:47.180 But you have to trust him.

04:55:49.060 You have to allow him to lead.

04:55:50.600 You have to give him sex, not just blowjays.

04:55:54.520 You have to engage in a relationship.

04:55:56.840 You should be attracted to somebody to do that.

04:55:59.360 That was cute.

04:56:00.160 I mean, keep going, keep going, keep going.

04:56:04.480 I hear what you're saying, but I fundamentally disagree with you.

04:56:08.240 How so?

04:56:09.000 Just tell me.

04:56:09.760 Tell her.

04:56:10.100 I think that there doesn't need to be one person leading a relationship.

04:56:13.560 I think it's best if they're both equals.

04:56:15.940 That's it.

04:56:16.320 If it's friendship with the addict.

04:56:17.760 You own a business.

04:56:18.620 Who's the owner of the business?

04:56:19.860 I don't think a business and a relationship are comparable.

04:56:21.940 I'm sorry.

04:56:22.440 They're absolutely comparable.

04:56:23.520 I disagree with you on that.

04:56:25.400 Someone has to lead the household.

04:56:27.500 Otherwise, it just falls apart.

04:56:28.520 It's a bad example because you can have a partnership in a business.

04:56:30.520 What'd you say?

04:56:31.440 Sorry, I didn't hear you.

04:56:32.360 I feel like someone has to lead in any situation.

04:56:35.400 Sorry.

04:56:35.800 So you were about to ask about the business.

04:56:39.160 Who is leading in the business?

04:56:41.320 So between you and Lindsay, I think that's her name, right?

04:56:45.280 Who's the leader?

04:56:46.280 I lead all of our social media.

04:56:48.120 She doesn't touch it at all.

04:56:49.500 She handles all of our finances, all of our business.

04:56:51.500 So you both lead at a certain area.

04:56:53.720 Absolutely, we both lead in certain areas.

04:56:55.100 Sounds like she's a team effort.

04:56:56.820 Is it a partnership?

04:56:58.840 It's a partnership.

04:56:59.640 Yeah.

04:57:00.320 Yeah.

04:57:00.680 I mean, it's not like Lindsay owns the business.

04:57:01.740 So who has the final say?

04:57:03.160 Let's say Lindsay wants to sell the business.

04:57:05.940 Can she sell it without you?

04:57:07.080 No, we have a contract.

04:57:08.400 It has to be.

04:57:08.520 Okay, so you have to agree.

04:57:09.920 Correct.

04:57:10.140 You guys both have to agree.

04:57:11.780 Interesting.

04:57:12.360 Correct.

04:57:12.800 I can fix her.

04:57:16.020 I feel like you're going to meet, but you don't run your relationship like you do a business.

04:57:20.860 That's not what you want, right?

04:57:21.980 No.

04:57:22.500 But she just compared it together.

04:57:24.120 Yeah.

04:57:24.460 Okay, I get you.

04:57:25.440 I get you.

04:57:25.980 That was a wrong example.

04:57:27.120 I shouldn't have used that one.

04:57:28.260 I guess I feel like for some reason, something has happened in your life.

04:57:33.260 Maybe you need therapy.

04:57:34.400 He doesn't think you need therapy.

04:57:35.720 But something has happened that like somebody wrecked you.

04:57:38.700 Because the way that you view men is so sad.

04:57:42.220 I am friends with men.

04:57:44.120 I know you're friends, babe.

04:57:45.240 I know you're friends with men, but you've got to get to another level.

04:57:47.900 I do not hate all men at all.

04:57:49.260 I know that there are a lot of good men out there.

04:57:51.560 But they're not coming for you.

04:57:53.380 The good men aren't coming for you.

04:57:54.740 And so I want you to, in the most loving way, I want you to look at yourself and be like,

04:57:58.580 why are the good men not coming for me?

04:58:00.140 Yeah, right?

04:58:00.840 Like, what the hell?

04:58:01.880 Girl, you ran your mouth all night.

04:58:03.160 You ran your mouth all freaking night.

04:58:05.060 All freaking night.

04:58:05.480 We all sat here.

04:58:06.280 We all sat here.

04:58:07.040 We listened to you and we respected you.

04:58:08.280 I literally, but I'm telling you right now.

04:58:09.940 I literally sit in my apartment and I work.

04:58:12.400 Done.

04:58:12.600 Okay.

04:58:13.100 Why are you not dating any of the guy friends that you have?

04:58:17.360 They're turning on you.

04:58:18.600 I might.

04:58:19.400 You're what?

04:58:20.000 I might.

04:58:20.460 We sat here for five, six hours and listened to her.

04:58:23.100 What was the reason?

04:58:24.240 I could.

04:58:24.860 Yeah, it has.

04:58:26.100 Where's the popcorn?

04:58:27.140 I have to drive home.

04:58:28.760 What the fuck?

04:58:29.480 I don't have to drive home.

04:58:30.500 You barely got through anything.

04:58:32.180 What?

04:58:32.820 Yep.

04:58:33.180 You grabbed the popcorn.

04:58:34.160 Everyone's walking out.

04:58:34.960 I want popcorn.

04:58:38.480 Pass it.

04:58:38.680 Hold on.

04:58:39.080 I just don't understand why someone who is single is sitting here talking mostly for

04:58:44.160 six hours about relationships to women who are happily married.

04:58:47.260 Take an exit.

04:58:47.800 Like if you're talking about the authority on relationships, wouldn't you ask the people

04:58:51.120 in the room that are happily married?

04:58:52.560 Facts.

04:58:53.020 Wait, wait, wait.

04:58:53.520 Hold on.

04:58:53.860 We need to get through your dating profile.

04:58:56.340 But you guys don't want to have sex before marriage and that's what we're talking about.

04:58:59.800 Guys, you bullied, you bullied her.

04:59:01.960 You guys bullied her.

04:59:03.100 We bullied, we bullied her.

04:59:05.060 You guys bullied.

04:59:05.920 You bullied her too.

04:59:06.460 Hang on, hang on.

04:59:07.480 You, you stuck up and said this not bullying.

04:59:09.440 Was that bullying?

04:59:10.940 No, I'm kidding.

04:59:11.560 Well, I don't know.

04:59:12.440 Now you want me to have your glasses back.

04:59:14.520 Where were you guys earlier for me?

04:59:16.440 Nowhere.

04:59:17.140 Listen, I liked everything you were saying.

04:59:19.620 I'm, I'm being a bit facetious here.

04:59:21.220 I'm just being facetious.

04:59:22.940 Um, wait, what?

04:59:25.020 Oh, wait.

04:59:26.680 Go chase her.

04:59:27.620 Go chase her.

04:59:27.780 No, don't chase her.

04:59:28.740 Please.

04:59:29.220 No.

04:59:29.440 No, no, no, no.

04:59:31.580 Get that, get her, get her some applesauce and a blanket.

04:59:36.140 Get her an applesauce.

04:59:37.180 I heard all I need to hear.

04:59:38.920 Okay, we're doing an app review.

04:59:40.600 I'm literally leaving.

04:59:41.900 We didn't get her.

04:59:42.800 You can have time with your conservative women and I'm going to leave.

04:59:46.820 Wait, why, why are you guys leaving?

04:59:48.580 Wait, you guys, wait, hold on.

04:59:49.620 Sit down.

04:59:50.300 Why are you guys leaving?

04:59:51.180 She already left.

04:59:51.840 The annoying girl left.

04:59:52.320 Okay, but if she comes back, I'm going to go.

04:59:53.860 Yeah, she's gone.

04:59:54.940 Okay.

04:59:55.320 Yeah, take a sit down.

04:59:56.260 It's not the feminist podcast.

04:59:56.940 Sit down.

04:59:57.460 Listen to the patriarchy.

04:59:58.520 We just started throwing a fit and he's like, oh, look at him whining after seven hours.

05:00:05.560 What's on purpose?

05:00:06.820 I'm just frustrated that you want her back one.

05:00:10.240 That's the purpose.

05:00:10.560 We didn't finish her notes.

05:00:12.940 Well, we are not going to.

05:00:14.000 Bro, this is not your fucking show.

05:00:16.800 This is not your fucking show.

05:00:18.900 Deal with it.

05:00:19.840 Fucking deal with it.

05:00:20.920 Okay, then it's okay if we leave, correct?

05:00:22.880 That's what you're saying then.

05:00:23.720 Yeah, but you're.

05:00:24.740 That's what you're saying then after that comment.

05:00:26.500 She's gone though.

05:00:27.400 So what's the fucking issue?

05:00:29.020 I'm just saying that you wanted her back.

05:00:31.260 To finish the dating app segment.

05:00:34.240 You didn't even finish.

05:00:35.080 We need some food.

05:00:36.100 I think everybody's cranky.

05:00:37.120 We need food.

05:00:37.780 Energy drinks.

05:00:38.960 Pizza.

05:00:39.760 Pizza, yes.

05:00:40.740 Everybody's just hungry.

05:00:42.080 How long are we going to do the podcast for?

05:00:44.460 I don't know.

05:00:47.040 Bro, I don't know.

05:00:48.540 Okay, let's move on to the next person.

05:00:50.160 Move on to the next person.

05:00:51.620 Kindly sit down.

05:00:52.820 Sit down.

05:00:54.340 Kindly.

05:00:54.880 Kindly.

05:00:55.340 Yes, kindly.

05:00:56.240 The first time.

05:00:56.780 I know.

05:00:57.120 This whole time.

05:00:58.880 Yo, are you going to sit back down?

05:01:01.600 Why do I have to do that for the last 12 years?

05:01:03.580 You asked to be on the fucking podcast.

05:01:06.260 You know what?

05:01:07.160 Get the fuck out.

05:01:08.520 Get out.

05:01:09.500 Get out.

05:01:10.520 Just get out kindly.

05:01:12.520 Just leave.

05:01:13.500 I was very kind when I talked to you.

05:01:16.100 Get the fuck out.

05:01:18.400 You guys can stay.

05:01:19.720 You can fucking leave.

05:01:21.000 You got an attitude.

05:01:22.320 Out you go.

05:01:22.880 They can't get them the fuck out.

05:01:24.360 They can't linger back there.

05:01:25.880 Out the fucking door they go.

05:01:27.760 It is crazy how you would talk to a woman for the record.

05:01:30.760 Hey, your permission to be here has been revoked.

05:01:33.420 Kindly leave.

05:01:34.920 Just leave.

05:01:37.440 Out you go.

05:01:39.800 I sweat out.

05:01:42.140 It was very nice to meet you, too.

05:01:44.660 Yo, you need to fucking leave.

05:01:46.100 Get the fuck out.

05:01:48.660 Yeah, but don't.

05:01:49.480 Yeah, you said you want to fucking leave, so you don't need to, like, stay here.

05:01:52.980 Just get the fuck out.

05:01:53.860 Well, I said I told you what the problem was.

05:01:55.440 Yeah, cool.

05:01:56.420 Cool.

05:01:57.100 Out you go.

05:01:59.500 Just go.

05:02:00.560 Just go.

05:02:01.260 Just go.

05:02:01.580 Just go.

05:02:02.200 Just go.

05:02:02.840 Hey, they can't be in the fucking bathroom.

05:02:05.300 Get them the fuck out.

05:02:06.180 Out they go.

05:02:12.640 Did you just look at the camera and smile?

05:02:14.760 Like a news anchor?

05:02:15.480 I did.

05:02:17.280 Welcome to whatever podcast.

05:02:20.740 It just went down.

05:02:23.460 Sit in that seat, Madison.

05:02:25.380 Sit in that seat.

05:02:27.460 Do you want me to move next to Lindsay or stay here?

05:02:30.560 Don't look at me in the eyes.

05:02:31.440 There's going to be a bit of readjustment, I think, here.

05:02:36.860 Hi, Madison.

05:02:38.500 Are you a feminist, yes or no?

05:02:40.400 Absolutely.

05:02:41.160 Oh, God.

05:02:43.360 She's kidding.

05:02:44.280 She's kidding.

05:02:44.860 I want to know how long it takes Madison to work on her body because she looks amazing.

05:02:49.520 Thank you.

05:02:50.060 Yes.

05:02:50.340 Sorry, I didn't.

05:02:50.820 I was not listening to everything you say.

05:02:53.660 Thank you.

05:02:54.040 I appreciate that.

05:02:54.080 Is it wine 30 yet?

05:02:55.840 It is popcorn.

05:02:57.440 Bro, this girl's like, we're just going to leave.

05:02:59.480 And then I'm like, fine, fucking leave.

05:03:01.160 And then they want to fucking linger.

05:03:02.800 And then let me just say goodbye to her and her and make it a big fucking scene.

05:03:06.400 They grabbed a Gatorade.

05:03:06.840 It's like, I'm going to the bathroom.

05:03:09.040 Nah, you're not.

05:03:09.940 You're out the fucking door.

05:03:11.600 Go pee your pants back to fucking dog shit Arizona.

05:03:14.760 or wherever the fuck you're going.

05:03:15.800 They're trying to gaslight you into telling them that they should stay, basically.

05:03:20.060 I'm not leaving just kidding.

05:03:21.400 That's fine.

05:03:21.980 That's fine.

05:03:22.840 Get the fuck out.

05:03:23.940 He has seltzers in the fridge.

05:03:26.120 Bro, like some people in the chat.

05:03:28.400 Stop lingering.

05:03:29.580 Go.

05:03:30.100 Some people in the chat are like thinking I overreacted.

05:03:33.540 Bro, these girls were so problematic the entire damn night.

05:03:38.260 From the very get-go, I managed to cool shit down at the beginning.

05:03:42.360 It was very contentious.

05:03:43.420 But she's trying to like fucking backseat.

05:03:47.620 I don't know if there's a, like backseat podcast.

05:03:50.060 The fucking show.

05:03:50.820 Can we move it along?

05:03:51.980 I'm going to fucking leave if you don't.

05:03:53.400 Like, bro.

05:03:55.220 And you know what's funny?

05:03:56.200 This other girl who was making this girl here, the fucking lost her virginity at 15.

05:04:00.680 Fucked a dude.

05:04:01.520 Lost her virginity after meeting a dude 30 minutes in, right?

05:04:04.100 I'm asking her questions.

05:04:06.580 And she's like, well, I don't want to talk about that.

05:04:09.420 Well, whenever somebody tells me I don't really want to share, I'm inclined to no longer include you in the conversation.

05:04:15.800 So these people who thought, oh, I'm not part of the conversation.

05:04:18.620 I gave you an opportunity.

05:04:19.980 And then you're like, well, I don't want to talk.

05:04:21.740 Okay.

05:04:22.820 Maybe it's passive aggressive.

05:04:24.400 I'm not going to fucking talk to you then.

05:04:26.620 Well, hang on.

05:04:27.180 I feel like before we started this podcast, you specifically said, or whoever was sitting there before you was like, do not not share.

05:04:35.620 And then afterwards, tell me everything.

05:04:37.980 Right.

05:04:38.060 So I will say you did tell us to share when people weren't sharing.

05:04:40.920 You also asked for juicy stories.

05:04:42.800 So juicy stories were provided so that when you're asked about the juicy stories, it's kind of like, please expand on the juicy stories.

05:04:48.500 Okay, but I will say, they requested to be on.

05:04:52.640 I will say this, though.

05:04:54.340 They did threaten to leave, these ones.

05:04:57.400 What do you mean threatened to leave?

05:04:59.400 Who?

05:04:59.880 Oh, me.

05:05:00.300 Didn't you guys?

05:05:01.500 Yes, that's true.

05:05:02.280 I will say this girl was going on.

05:05:04.240 And I apologize.

05:05:05.320 This girl, I feel like all night we've been talking about her.

05:05:07.960 And then she goes and sits on the deck.

05:05:09.760 And then she's going to throw up over here.

05:05:11.140 Yeah, she's high maintenance.

05:05:12.060 She's high maintenance.

05:05:13.320 You're right.

05:05:14.120 She was, oh.

05:05:15.180 She asked me for weed.

05:05:16.200 I'm sure the comments are crazy for her.

05:05:17.880 Are we being kicked out now?

05:05:19.680 Because we threatened to.

05:05:20.380 No, I'm not going to kick you guys out.

05:05:22.200 I'm not going to kick you.

05:05:22.860 Although I do think.

05:05:25.360 Did she ask you for weed too?

05:05:27.840 What did you say?

05:05:28.840 I do think that if anybody, like you did kind of prompt them a little bit when you said,

05:05:36.260 oh, I think we're going to leave.

05:05:37.520 Like, then you plant a seed in their head like, oh, that's an option?

05:05:43.080 Okay, let me use this as leverage so I can ensure the conversation goes my way.

05:05:48.580 If I want to fucking sit here and I try my best to include everybody, but sometimes some

05:05:54.700 people are more interesting than others.

05:05:56.260 Sometimes people are more adversarial than others.

05:05:58.840 If I'm going to focus on somebody, then I'm going to focus on somebody.

05:06:02.040 That's how it's going to be.

05:06:03.680 You know what I would say, though?

05:06:05.200 I don't even think it was that you were, she was like not interesting, at least in my mind.

05:06:08.880 So I'm like, why is he focusing on her?

05:06:09.620 She made the same argument over and over again.

05:06:11.320 And then when you'd come back full circle, she would still be like, I just think he should

05:06:14.520 pay for the first date.

05:06:15.560 I'm like, we just spent an hour establishing that that is not true, that you would want

05:06:19.720 him to instigate for six months of the relationship.

05:06:23.700 How are you the most likable woman who's been here?

05:06:25.980 I know.

05:06:26.400 Because she's quiet.

05:06:27.320 She's a quiet woman.

05:06:28.480 How are you?

05:06:29.700 She's a 12.

05:06:30.740 Because she's a 12.

05:06:31.500 Because she's a 12.

05:06:33.280 Because she's quiet.

05:06:34.000 She's super chill.

05:06:34.780 Although you've got to be careful with the super chill ones, like they're chill at first,

05:06:37.680 but then the crazies, like down the road, bro.

05:06:40.440 She's going to rip those ears off and just go nuts.

05:06:45.800 Out of the description they go.

05:06:47.580 You guys are the only people that get pizza, so.

05:06:50.100 Look, those girls asked to be on the show.

05:06:52.720 It's crazy.

05:06:53.240 They drove from fucking Arizona to be here.

05:06:54.960 When they're driving back tonight.

05:06:56.620 I don't know why they wouldn't just get a hotel.

05:06:58.660 Right?

05:06:58.800 That's fucking crazy.

05:06:59.520 They probably will now, all together.

05:07:00.840 I'm hoping.

05:07:01.200 And talk about us.

05:07:02.660 Oh, yeah.

05:07:03.080 They're talking about us.

05:07:03.600 Yeah.

05:07:03.880 Sorry to look at the dog.

05:07:05.180 They'll probably watch on their way home.

05:07:07.680 Yeah.

05:07:08.360 I'm not going to say anything.

05:07:10.240 I probably should have kicked that girl off.

05:07:13.580 The thing is, they were all friends.

05:07:15.380 I was so close to fucking kicking her off the show at the beginning.

05:07:18.240 But I was like, they're friends.

05:07:19.680 Like, if I kick her off, I got to kick them off.

05:07:24.800 And that's, they were mostly, this one over here was a little, this one was mostly pleasant.

05:07:30.480 The one next to you.

05:07:30.940 I don't think they're friends, though.

05:07:32.020 I don't think they know each other, do they?

05:07:33.100 No, the three.

05:07:34.140 These two work together.

05:07:35.540 Oh, they did.

05:07:35.980 They all came together.

05:07:36.860 They all came together, right?

05:07:37.840 Oh.

05:07:37.900 So, good times, guys.

05:07:41.520 Good times.

05:07:42.240 Oh.

05:07:42.320 Well, now what are we going to do?

05:07:43.320 Gustavo.

05:07:43.680 No feminist.

05:07:44.760 Maddie, you take that seat.

05:07:46.220 And then we're going to put Gustavo between the two married.

05:07:49.460 Oh, who's Gustavo?

05:07:50.980 Does he look like?

05:07:51.620 He's right there.

05:07:52.160 That's right.

05:07:52.180 I'm married to each other.

05:07:53.000 Heyo, bring your helmet.

05:07:54.440 You want me to sit?

05:07:54.960 Actually, you were cooking.

05:07:56.880 Oh, thank you.

05:07:57.400 Actually, I think you put, that's why she left.

05:08:00.660 When you finally got to talk, it was like you just ran with it.

05:08:03.820 I know I did.

05:08:04.520 Reality hit.

05:08:05.380 Dominated.

05:08:05.880 Mama got angry.

05:08:06.420 Well, she was getting to me pretty frustrating.

05:08:09.360 It's like, you have no authority to speak because you have a bunch of guy friends.

05:08:12.200 Well, why do you think none of them want to date you?

05:08:13.420 And then she got so offended when you said none of the good guys are coming from you.

05:08:17.020 She's like, well, that was uncalled for.

05:08:18.620 I'm thinking.

05:08:18.940 Ladies, keep your hands to yourselves.

05:08:21.440 To yourselves.

05:08:21.760 Next to Gustavo.

05:08:22.460 Gustavo.

05:08:23.600 Gustavo.

05:08:24.000 One wrong move.

05:08:25.540 Gustavo.

05:08:25.920 I'll make a soldier out of you.

05:08:27.260 He's very, you know.

05:08:30.600 Look, the nature of these podcasts is we have big panels.

05:08:35.480 It can be, it can be hard to really get every, because one, only one person can speak at a time.

05:08:44.040 And then if you want to have back and forths, then other people are going to be excluded.

05:08:47.880 It is difficult to like perfectly ensure that everybody gets the exact equal amount of talking time.

05:08:56.260 It's very difficult.

05:08:58.060 Some people are more conversationally dominant.

05:09:00.760 So, uh.

05:09:03.100 Did I lose my shit a little bit?

05:09:04.660 No.

05:09:04.880 A little bit?

05:09:05.400 A little bit.

05:09:05.940 I was about to lose my shit.

05:09:07.580 You were about to lose your shit?

05:09:08.640 Yeah, but I'm not as, like, exploitative.

05:09:09.740 Maddie, actually, they derailed this one.

05:09:11.940 Wait, does she lose hers?

05:09:12.860 Does she derail the show the whole night?

05:09:14.120 Because you don't look like you lose anything.

05:09:15.300 That's true.

05:09:15.500 You look like you're so confused.

05:09:16.820 I was about to hide under the table.

05:09:19.620 I battle demons.

05:09:20.320 Just like in an emergency, I was going to go hide under the table.

05:09:22.460 Wait, this girl and this girl?

05:09:24.620 Yeah.

05:09:25.100 Yeah.

05:09:25.420 What about them?

05:09:26.000 They were massive derailing agents.

05:09:27.500 Oh.

05:09:28.160 Yeah.

05:09:28.920 I was like, here's the thing.

05:09:32.420 And perhaps the chat can win.

05:09:33.480 I mean, the commie was at least engaging, but those two were.

05:09:36.840 Oh, yeah.

05:09:37.260 We didn't get to.

05:09:37.800 Oh, man.

05:09:38.240 We didn't get to get into.

05:09:39.620 Should we finish her dating interview for her?

05:09:42.080 Actually, yeah.

05:09:42.680 We'll do it.

05:09:43.780 And the chat gets to decide if you swipe yes or you reject the shit out of her.

05:09:49.540 Before we do that, though, one of the things I think about with these kick-out situations,

05:09:57.620 I was prepared to kick her out for sure.

05:09:59.580 But the thing is, part of me is like, well, did I just farm them and then kick them?

05:10:05.360 What do you mean?

05:10:05.980 Like, farm them.

05:10:06.940 Like, get the content.

05:10:07.800 Like, get the content.

05:10:08.920 You did.

05:10:09.760 Because it's like, well, okay.

05:10:11.680 I could just kick her, or I could farm, then kick.

05:10:14.900 Although sometimes I farm and then, like, cooler heads prevail.

05:10:18.520 She was just, like, seething rage all night.

05:10:20.880 She tended to calm down, but she started her, like, sidewalk appearance very combative.

05:10:27.600 She was ready for a world before she came in.

05:10:30.040 She came in hot.

05:10:30.140 She came in hot.

05:10:31.180 Like, really intense.

05:10:31.840 She was offended by every word out of your mouth.

05:10:34.720 Your mouth.

05:10:36.000 Mostly Andrew.

05:10:36.800 Although she was coming at me.

05:10:38.040 I was catching strays here.

05:10:39.540 I was fucking catching strays.

05:10:40.740 Anyways, let's do the dating app review of the girl.

05:10:44.640 How do you do it without her?

05:10:45.520 What TV show would you be a main character in?

05:10:48.900 Okay.

05:10:49.020 Scooby-Doo.

05:10:49.580 Oh, gosh.

05:10:51.040 Oh, this is going to be hurtful.

05:10:53.240 Filter.

05:10:53.720 Bro, this is so disingenuous when they're all super filtered out.

05:10:56.880 That's why she left.

05:10:57.940 New York pizza.

05:10:59.060 Every other kind sucks.

05:11:01.120 Bro, this is, like, so basic.

05:11:02.780 Basic.

05:11:03.740 Next.

05:11:05.520 We can take things slowly and naturally.

05:11:07.480 Not trying to get lost in someone.

05:11:09.120 Just trying to find my other half.

05:11:10.800 Is there another one or is that it?

05:11:11.740 Might be difficult.

05:11:13.440 Grabbing a bite to eat and getting to know each other.

05:11:15.260 Maybe an arcade, too.

05:11:16.720 Bro, I'll be honest.

05:11:18.020 Like, she says, well, guys should open with, like, talk about something on your profile.

05:11:22.120 There's really...

05:11:22.940 Is there another photo?

05:11:23.900 Also, there's nothing interesting on her profile.

05:11:27.840 Like, I've been on Bumble.

05:11:29.080 If she messaged me, hey, how's it going?

05:11:31.120 And I was, like, supposed to respond, like, there's nothing off of her profile as somebody

05:11:35.000 who's been on dating apps for a long time.

05:11:37.660 Well, I'm not on them anymore, but I used to.

05:11:40.280 I wouldn't be able to find anything topical from her profile, really.

05:11:45.020 I mean, I could probably bullshit something, but...

05:11:47.260 Pizza, arcades, and TV.

05:11:48.640 She was saying, oh, I want a guy who's exceptional, who stands out.

05:11:53.220 I'm like, your dating profile's average.

05:11:56.320 You're unremarkable.

05:11:57.460 And I'm not saying that to be mean, but most people are average, unremarkable.

05:12:01.260 And she wants some, like, movie moment, magic guy.

05:12:06.480 What was the other thing, Nick, we were going to pull up?

05:12:09.980 And it's fine to be normal and average and boring.

05:12:12.780 It's fine.

05:12:13.480 As long as you expect normal and average and boring.

05:12:14.580 I said I could fix her.

05:12:15.660 Right.

05:12:16.080 Yeah.

05:12:17.240 I demand.

05:12:18.940 Oh, no.

05:12:19.580 I thought there was something to pull up, but maybe I was wrong.

05:12:22.000 Let me read a chat.

05:12:22.660 We have Satanic Finger.

05:12:24.320 Oh.

05:12:24.780 This girl is an abuser.

05:12:25.960 She's been projecting the entire time towards men.

05:12:28.240 She literally said she cheated emotionally, and she's saying she led men on during the relationship

05:12:33.400 as she stayed unhappy.

05:12:35.800 Who's the...

05:12:36.220 She cheated on which guy?

05:12:37.320 The two-year one?

05:12:38.960 Or the first guy?

05:12:40.540 I thought it was the first one.

05:12:41.560 Yeah, she cheated on the two-year one.

05:12:43.340 She was having a conversation with another guy, and then she ended up hooking up with that

05:12:47.300 guy a year later.

05:12:49.040 Okay.

05:12:49.340 All right.

05:12:51.480 We have Kyle Kelsey.

05:12:54.380 Brian, thank you.

05:12:56.520 I want to say the one girl that wants to fight with everyone is pissing me off and ruining

05:12:59.740 the show.

05:13:00.280 Which one's that?

05:13:00.900 Is it?

05:13:01.460 No, she was talking about her.

05:13:02.760 Oh, okay.

05:13:03.240 Yeah, she was definitely talking about her.

05:13:04.360 I can't tell if my teeth are grinding or I'm grinding gears as I shift going down the highway

05:13:08.360 with this set of wiggly wagons.

05:13:10.100 I am on meal.

05:13:12.000 FYI?

05:13:12.520 What do you mean, on meal?

05:13:14.240 Did she say that?

05:13:15.220 I don't know.

05:13:15.840 Thank you, man.

05:13:16.240 Appreciate it.

05:13:18.000 Okay.

05:13:18.780 There was a really funny one about someone slapping...

05:13:21.500 Like, they're giving us nicknames.

05:13:22.700 Someone slapped glasses and take over the podcast or something, and I was like, slap glasses.

05:13:27.060 I'm right here.

05:13:27.960 I'm ready.

05:13:29.480 I think you guys did really well.

05:13:31.460 You slapped with your mouth.

05:13:32.600 Good times.

05:13:37.940 I should have kicked her off from the beginning, but...

05:13:40.180 No, it was good.

05:13:42.000 I should have left her.

05:13:43.760 I mean, she was kind of dull the rest of the show after I finally got...

05:13:46.980 I feel like I did rein things in there.

05:13:49.460 But then it would have just been us.

05:13:52.480 And look how boring this is.

05:13:53.280 Like, for the whole entire show.

05:13:54.500 Well, I know.

05:13:54.980 Now we're sitting here talking about her, and all these people are like, she's finally

05:13:57.720 gone.

05:13:58.000 Let's not talk about her.

05:13:59.860 What else?

05:14:01.320 Well, let's see.

05:14:02.420 I'm going to get into my show notes here.

05:14:04.600 We have Lindsey Graham.

05:14:07.180 Lindsey Graham, what?

05:14:08.060 The Patriot Barbie, right?

05:14:09.440 Yep.

05:14:10.800 You're...

05:14:11.680 Oh, this is for both of you, because in your pre-show notes, you said you're both ragingly

05:14:16.020 pro-life.

05:14:16.860 Yep.

05:14:17.520 Both pro-Trump.

05:14:18.880 Yep.

05:14:19.200 Both believers and followers of Jesus.

05:14:21.800 Kendall has had a picturesque life.

05:14:24.040 Saved herself for marriage.

05:14:25.940 Based.

05:14:26.880 Based.

05:14:27.760 Married to husband with three kids.

05:14:31.320 Got cancer some years back.

05:14:33.120 Was this you?

05:14:33.960 Her.

05:14:34.300 Oh, her.

05:14:35.720 And they suggested that you get a shmushmortion?

05:14:38.740 Yeah.

05:14:39.180 I was pregnant.

05:14:40.460 Oh, you can't say.

05:14:41.300 Or I found out I was pregnant.

05:14:43.380 I can give the whole story if you want.

05:14:45.100 When you're ready.

05:14:45.920 When you're ready.

05:14:46.460 Yeah, I think, well, pretty much you just said that you chose the baby, and you risked

05:14:50.680 your own life denying the chemo until the baby was born?

05:14:53.600 Yeah, radiation.

05:14:53.940 And you're cancer-free now.

05:14:54.820 I'm cancer-free now.

05:14:55.540 Well, hey.

05:14:56.080 Yeah.

05:14:56.700 That's awesome.

05:14:57.720 Congratulations.

05:14:58.400 Thank you.

05:14:59.380 W's in the chat for...

05:15:00.500 What kind of cancer was it?

05:15:01.680 I had thyroid cancer, and it was the night before...

05:15:04.060 Oh, shit.

05:15:04.600 Night before my surgery, we discovered I was pregnant, so they did the surgery.

05:15:08.060 Can I have you just scoot your mic a little bit this way?

05:15:10.340 No, no, no.

05:15:10.920 You, can I just have Kendall?

05:15:12.580 Oh, me.

05:15:13.120 Yeah, scoot your mic.

05:15:14.280 Perfect, perfect.

05:15:15.000 Perfect.

05:15:15.320 What stage were you?

05:15:17.360 So I was...

05:15:19.800 Didn't know what stage I was until after, and they're like, oh, it's now spread.

05:15:25.400 You're stage three.

05:15:27.060 And that's when I found out.

05:15:28.820 So essentially, find out I was pregnant.

05:15:31.500 Let me start over.

05:15:33.660 Diagnosed with cancer, because I went to my doctor, and I wasn't hearing well, and he's

05:15:37.920 like, oh, you have progressive deafness.

05:15:39.880 Something completely different, but he's like, while you're here, let me, you know, check

05:15:44.080 your thyroid.

05:15:44.480 I'm in your nose and throat.

05:15:45.320 Doctor finds out that I have a lump, finds out that it's cancer, is scheduled to have

05:15:49.100 a full thartidectomy.

05:15:50.040 The night before, we found out I'm pregnant, and we call my doctor.

05:15:54.380 My anesthesiologist is like, you know, we can do the surgery.

05:15:57.200 We can just adjust things so baby is safe.

05:16:00.060 And then I woke up from surgery, and he was like, your cancer is spread.

05:16:03.360 We need to either terminate baby and focus on your health or wait and do radiation afterwards.

05:16:10.100 And so I gave birth to her at full term, breastfed her for two months, and then did radiation.

05:16:15.680 And I now wear hearing aids.

05:16:17.420 I do have progressive deafness.

05:16:19.140 I wear hearing aids for that, but I'm cancer-free.

05:16:20.680 Because of the progression that occurred because you waited a bit to get it treated?

05:16:25.180 Well, no.

05:16:26.120 I actually, it's, I had, so it diagnosed with progressive decimus, but then the hormones

05:16:31.240 when you're pregnant makes it worse.

05:16:33.160 And so, yeah, I continued to get, continued to lose hearing.

05:16:36.280 And she had another baby afterwards, too.

05:16:38.520 And I had another baby afterwards.

05:16:39.080 You'll get more deaf if you get pregnant again.

05:16:41.040 She's like, I don't care.

05:16:42.460 Wow.

05:16:43.100 So, God's really good.

05:16:45.060 Very selfless of you.

05:16:49.820 Wait, hold on.

05:16:50.720 I got more notes.

05:16:51.520 I got more notes.

05:16:52.200 They're pro-Trump.

05:16:53.440 MAGA?

05:16:54.080 Yeah.

05:16:54.900 We just met him, too.

05:16:55.800 Honored.

05:16:56.520 This week, this, two days ago.

05:16:58.320 Here's a dating-related question.

05:16:59.740 I mean, I know you guys are married, so hypothetical.

05:17:02.720 Would, oh my God.

05:17:04.000 Is this like a troll question?

05:17:05.120 Let's go.

05:17:05.520 Would you date an illegal immigrant?

05:17:07.740 No.

05:17:08.200 No.

05:17:08.360 Hard no.

05:17:08.800 Absolutely not.

05:17:09.800 Build the wall.

05:17:10.420 Nope.

05:17:11.360 Would you?

05:17:11.800 No.

05:17:12.800 I feel like you would.

05:17:13.720 I feel like you would, too.

05:17:14.820 I would have more to offer than he would.

05:17:16.300 I mean, if she was like a Slovakian gymnast.

05:17:20.000 I feel like you'd like the secret to her.

05:17:21.040 I would definitely.

05:17:22.520 The what?

05:17:23.320 The secret?

05:17:24.080 See?

05:17:24.400 Look at this.

05:17:25.060 Look.

05:17:25.420 I needed this tonight.

05:17:26.440 I owe you an apology.

05:17:27.280 I came in late and got annoyed by others quickly.

05:17:29.260 But you and your friend are among my favorite that have been on here.

05:17:32.560 Also, sorry.

05:17:34.180 Also, you're right.

05:17:35.440 Madison is fire.

05:17:37.600 Wait, somebody said that about Madison?

05:17:38.980 I think it was a chat.

05:17:40.340 Oh, okay.

05:17:41.180 Yo, deplore.

05:17:41.600 Do you think you...

05:17:42.160 I love that I'm nicknamed Sleeves.

05:17:43.600 Your Sleeves.

05:17:43.920 Oh, I told...

05:17:44.880 This is Madison.

05:17:45.820 Yeah, that's Madison.

05:17:46.420 Yeah, I told her.

05:17:46.860 I was like, girl, you're fire.

05:17:48.040 Her body.

05:17:48.780 Oh.

05:17:48.940 Look at that.

05:17:49.380 That's like...

05:17:49.740 She's a hard 10.

05:17:50.560 I started going into it.

05:17:51.160 When we were all talking about, you know, how long does it take to achieve something

05:17:53.640 like that?

05:17:54.120 And she probably...

05:17:54.900 22 years.

05:17:55.460 Honestly, I've been like this all my life.

05:17:56.960 You probably just got like a fast...

05:17:58.020 Yeah, she's born this way.

05:17:58.960 I have a really fast metabolism.

05:18:00.680 I eat so bad.

05:18:01.920 I eat terribly, but I've been really good.

05:18:03.400 Can I have some of your cookie, by the way?

05:18:04.220 Love it.

05:18:05.120 You saw that?

05:18:06.020 Yeah.

05:18:06.160 I'm sorry.

05:18:06.500 I'll cut a piece.

05:18:07.420 I'll cut a piece.

05:18:07.680 It's kind of hard, though.

05:18:08.620 I like soft cookies.

05:18:09.580 You can have the rest.

05:18:11.100 Oh, okay.

05:18:11.360 Let's stop talking about food.

05:18:12.220 We're all so hungry.

05:18:13.040 Oh, gosh.

05:18:13.400 Could you do my thing ready?

05:18:13.840 We do have...

05:18:14.440 We have some pizza, so we'll give you some pizza.

05:18:16.760 Perfect.

05:18:17.140 Okay.

05:18:17.240 Oh, wait.

05:18:17.480 Should we do a little pizza party?

05:18:18.640 Pizza party.

05:18:19.220 On the stream?

05:18:20.260 Oh, totally.

05:18:20.740 Wait.

05:18:21.060 Let me...

05:18:21.640 But it's going to be cold.

05:18:22.000 But then eating into the mic.

05:18:23.380 Oh, that's gross.

05:18:24.080 Yeah.

05:18:24.320 Well, you would...

05:18:24.880 Wait, chat.

05:18:25.460 Let's not eat and then talk.

05:18:27.120 Yeah, it's kind of...

05:18:28.340 Pizza party, chat.

05:18:29.580 Pizza party.

05:18:30.460 Okay.

05:18:31.300 But...

05:18:31.980 Soft cookies.

05:18:33.120 Wait.

05:18:33.380 Where were we?

05:18:33.840 Oh.

05:18:34.640 So would I date an illegal immigrant?

05:18:36.360 I feel like you would like the very secretive aspect of it.

05:18:41.440 Depends what country she's secretive.

05:18:43.520 Ooh, like exotic.

05:18:44.500 Like you might get deported.

05:18:46.140 Yeah, obviously she would do her best to be secretive and not get deported.

05:18:49.580 Oh, my gosh.

05:18:50.040 The power struggle would be so good.

05:18:51.500 I'm kidding.

05:18:52.000 I'm kidding.

05:18:52.300 You can tell her to do anything.

05:18:53.340 The power dynamic.

05:18:54.720 Look at it.

05:18:54.960 Everybody's like, eat the pizza.

05:18:55.660 I will go to immigration.

05:18:57.660 Bring them pizza.

05:18:58.500 Cut my cucumbers.

05:18:59.480 Otherwise, I'm going to immigration.

05:19:01.020 I'm kidding.

05:19:02.520 But, you know, I'd prefer...

05:19:04.440 You wouldn't even have to let her know it was you.

05:19:05.860 You could, like, wait until she went to work and then call ICE.

05:19:08.460 Well, the crazy thing is...

05:19:09.420 Oh, my God.

05:19:10.940 Damn, bro.

05:19:11.640 You don't even have to break up with her.

05:19:13.080 Yeah.

05:19:13.360 She just gets shipped off.

05:19:14.180 And you're like, oh, I love you.

05:19:14.460 I can't believe that happened.

05:19:16.220 Don't go.

05:19:16.600 It's terrible.

05:19:17.320 It's awful.

05:19:18.660 Oh, my gosh.

05:19:19.600 I am in favor of...

05:19:21.000 I'm totally fine with illegal immigration for, like, female gymnasts.

05:19:27.000 I'm fine with that.

05:19:28.180 They can come over.

05:19:28.920 They can come over legally.

05:19:30.280 If they're female, shot put is fine.

05:19:33.220 Sprinters are good.

05:19:34.220 And long distance...

05:19:35.640 Too lanky a little bit, but...

05:19:37.400 Pianists.

05:19:38.280 Like sprinters?

05:19:40.500 Pianists.

05:19:40.700 You got a thing for sprinters, huh?

05:19:42.440 I don't know.

05:19:42.720 They're just...

05:19:42.960 Is it the thighs?

05:19:44.040 Thick thighs save lives?

05:19:45.580 Thick thighs save lives.

05:19:46.640 Wow, interesting.

05:19:47.760 It sounds weird.

05:19:48.380 That's a very...

05:19:48.760 I don't know.

05:19:48.780 You got the long distance ladies.

05:19:49.860 That's not what I was picturing.

05:19:51.300 That's a very particular taste.

05:19:52.720 This was...

05:19:53.120 I thought you guys were together.

05:19:55.040 Oh, no.

05:19:55.580 I have a boyfriend.

05:19:56.940 Oh, okay.

05:19:57.940 Wait, you're engaged.

05:19:59.080 It's a promise right now.

05:20:00.020 I'm not engaged.

05:20:01.240 Oh, my gosh.

05:20:02.120 I love...

05:20:02.540 Every time that happens, Madison's like...

05:20:05.180 Really quick to be like, no, I'm...

05:20:07.140 Well, I'm in a relationship.

05:20:08.640 Why wouldn't I be?

05:20:09.540 She's got a boyfriend.

05:20:10.120 No, no.

05:20:10.540 We're not dating it.

05:20:11.920 There's those rumors, though, going around.

05:20:13.080 Way to make it awkward, Kendall.

05:20:14.280 Yeah, we'd make it...

05:20:15.720 I mean...

05:20:16.720 It's not the first time I've heard it.

05:20:19.280 I do...

05:20:20.040 When it comes to racial preferences, white and Asian.

05:20:22.900 Oh, okay.

05:20:23.320 I like white boys.

05:20:24.760 I'll date...

05:20:25.640 Don't...

05:20:26.360 Look, I'll date black women and Latino women, but I do have a bit of a preference for white

05:20:30.720 women and Asian women.

05:20:32.500 And I...

05:20:33.060 She's too tall for me, though.

05:20:34.160 That's the thing.

05:20:34.800 She's way too tall.

05:20:36.000 How tall are you?

05:20:36.540 5'2".

05:20:37.420 5'2"?

05:20:38.160 He only dates...

05:20:38.720 He's smaller than 5'2"?

05:20:39.700 Like 4.

05:20:40.320 If her height doesn't start with 4, she ain't the 1.

05:20:42.300 How tall are you?

05:20:43.160 6'1".

05:20:43.740 There's a thing.

05:20:44.640 There's a thing with really tall dudes, and they never go for any kind of average

05:20:49.200 girl.

05:20:49.440 They always go for like a little mini-me.

05:20:51.040 Always.

05:20:51.160 I know, but then when you have kids, you're not giving them those really good genes, like

05:20:55.560 breeding genes.

05:20:56.700 That is a good point.

05:20:57.700 That is a good point.

05:20:58.420 Like when I...

05:21:00.300 Like what if your son...

05:21:01.400 In terms of like for my kids...

05:21:02.280 What do you mean, breeding genes?

05:21:03.960 Well, she's tall.

05:21:04.820 Yeah.

05:21:05.180 If she's tall, you're tall.

05:21:06.020 If they're both tall, then you make a beautiful tall baby.

05:21:07.860 Like warrior babies.

05:21:09.400 What's that thing from the Bible?

05:21:10.960 Like children in the...

05:21:12.740 Like breeding mares?

05:21:13.320 Wait.

05:21:14.120 No, no, no.

05:21:14.740 It's kind of unrelated, but it's like children in a man's youth are like arrows in the hands.

05:21:21.300 Oh, in the quiver.

05:21:22.740 Of...

05:21:23.340 Of...

05:21:24.260 I'm butchering this.

05:21:25.160 I was going to say arrows in the quiver.

05:21:25.820 This is a chase line, but...

05:21:26.760 Somebody look it up.

05:21:28.180 Yeah, that's bad.

05:21:28.820 Yeah, I can't...

05:21:29.920 I don't...

05:21:30.380 Anyone in the chat?

05:21:32.820 Arrows in a quiver.

05:21:33.560 I don't know.

05:21:33.840 I would date a dwarf, you know?

05:21:35.160 Would you guys...

05:21:35.860 I don't know.

05:21:36.580 If you guys know any dwarves.

05:21:38.380 Really?

05:21:38.780 There's no any dwarves?

05:21:39.280 No, personally, no.

05:21:40.160 No dwarves?

05:21:40.720 No conservative dwarves?

05:21:41.800 No.

05:21:41.940 There's probably a conservative app for dwarves.

05:21:44.260 Absolutely, there is.

05:21:45.260 I looked.

05:21:45.280 I couldn't...

05:21:46.040 Big lady, a dwarf's matter.

05:21:48.060 You know, good times.

05:21:49.820 That's just not...

05:21:50.520 That's not just a height thing.

05:21:51.820 That's like all their proportions are different.

05:21:54.260 Yeah, that's a medical condition.

05:21:55.460 What is a big dwarf?

05:21:55.700 It's not just a midget.

05:21:56.500 A midget is short.

05:21:58.220 The thing is...

05:21:58.900 But a dwarf has the...

05:22:00.040 Well, I prefer...

05:22:00.860 Oh, my God.

05:22:01.220 I feel like I'm going to get canceled from the...

05:22:03.100 I think they call it the little people.

05:22:05.560 Is the...

05:22:06.080 No, I think that's what they want to be called.

05:22:07.060 No, they do want to be called.

05:22:07.800 There's a whole show about it.

05:22:09.040 You're talking about the dwarven race in Warcraft.

05:22:12.440 Of course.

05:22:13.120 Of course.

05:22:13.480 Of course.

05:22:14.200 But, I mean, look.

05:22:15.440 If she was like 4'5", but like normal proportions, I guess that's...

05:22:19.540 I'm going to get canceled.

05:22:20.320 That's really tiny.

05:22:21.260 That's better?

05:22:21.480 That's going to get canceled.

05:22:22.900 That's really short.

05:22:25.140 Like, could you actually be so real?

05:22:28.560 4'5".

05:22:29.060 Be so real.

05:22:29.780 Can we try to measure what that would look like against you?

05:22:32.960 It's like half of you.

05:22:34.100 I have a question for you.

05:22:34.880 Yes, because I'm 5'8".

05:22:35.880 The alien has a question for you, Brian.

05:22:37.580 What's up?

05:22:38.240 So, like, you want a dwarf, right?

05:22:40.160 Have you seen a dwarf with, like, Big Libya?

05:22:43.080 What?

05:22:43.420 Oh, we went there.

05:22:44.740 Sign me up.

05:22:45.720 Yeah?

05:22:46.340 But have you seen one?

05:22:47.460 No, I mean, well, first off, I'm not...

05:22:49.220 I don't really watch adult content.

05:22:51.920 Like, occasionally, fine.

05:22:53.180 Whatever.

05:22:53.560 But I'm not, like, dwarf Big Labia porn.

05:22:56.680 Like, no.

05:22:57.040 I don't watch, like, dwarf porn.

05:22:58.560 What do you type in, then?

05:22:59.960 Short girl?

05:23:01.500 No, I don't watch, like...

05:23:03.260 Honestly, I'm...

05:23:04.200 Is it two dwarves, one labia?

05:23:05.820 I will tell you, like, when it comes to, like, the...

05:23:08.700 Look, and again, I rarely consume porn, but there's big labia porn out there.

05:23:15.860 Just saying.

05:23:16.940 Like, that's, like, what do they call it?

05:23:20.200 Or, like, that's, like, a thing?

05:23:23.500 It's a niche.

05:23:24.520 It's a niche, yeah.

05:23:25.500 Large, large labia.

05:23:27.960 Good talk.

05:23:28.720 About that pizza.

05:23:29.840 Yeah.

05:23:30.200 Hashtag Big Labia.

05:23:30.860 Hey, you brought it...

05:23:31.560 Hold on.

05:23:32.100 You brought it.

05:23:32.420 You asked me.

05:23:32.960 No, labia was over here.

05:23:34.080 She went full labia.

05:23:35.240 Oh, yeah.

05:23:35.620 Big labia matter.

05:23:36.180 Really in that dwarf labia mode.

05:23:37.580 Yeah.

05:23:37.920 We were still talking about saving babies' lives.

05:23:40.320 Although, actually, there, you know, there are some complications if they're, like, too short,

05:23:43.900 though.

05:23:44.480 Like, once you get into the, like, 411 territory and below, I don't know.

05:23:48.680 It's, like, it can make certain things more difficult.

05:23:50.840 What's the shortest?

05:23:51.640 Like, carnal knowledge.

05:23:52.860 What do you mean shortest?

05:23:53.820 That you would date.

05:23:55.340 Wait, what?

05:23:55.840 That you would date and that you've ever dated.

05:23:57.660 Oh, I think, like, on it...

05:23:59.840 I think 411.

05:24:03.700 And there's, like, a decent amount...

05:24:05.120 Yeah, I've unfortunately not been able to find shorter than 411.

05:24:09.620 I know.

05:24:10.220 It's tough out there.

05:24:11.820 I should...

05:24:12.200 Dude, if I see it, like, back when I used to approach...

05:24:14.720 This is 10 plus years ago, like, when it was okay to approach people.

05:24:17.800 Like, if I saw, like, a short chick, like, you know, back in my college days, whatever,

05:24:23.300 if she's, like, short, I was, like...

05:24:24.800 Really?

05:24:26.100 I don't know.

05:24:26.500 Short...

05:24:26.780 I don't know.

05:24:27.280 Fun size.

05:24:28.300 Fun size.

05:24:28.720 All these followers and no one knows a single 4'3 chick.

05:24:32.760 Blast it.

05:24:33.900 Comment an emoji, a little short girl emoji.

05:24:36.220 Back in the day, like, I mean, I'm not really, like, sliding into DMs anymore, but, like,

05:24:40.760 bro, I'd be, like, trying to find these short chicks on IG and shit.

05:24:44.880 Where do you find people now?

05:24:46.200 What do you mean?

05:24:47.760 Like, organically.

05:24:49.200 People that you want to date.

05:24:50.360 Church.

05:24:53.000 That's where you go to meet a good...

05:24:55.120 Yeah, the big lady, the women.

05:24:55.300 Honestly, you go to the bar, you go to a strip club, like, that's not where you're going to

05:24:58.980 bring someone home to meet mom and dad.

05:25:01.380 It's very true.

05:25:01.800 You go to church.

05:25:02.800 No, it's a bad place to find a woman now, is that church.

05:25:06.860 Terrible place.

05:25:07.540 Well, because what happens is...

05:25:10.000 You can't go to that church anymore.

05:25:10.800 There's what's called the Great Ho Reformation.

05:25:13.600 Oh.

05:25:14.020 Oh.

05:25:14.560 So, here's how this works.

05:25:17.060 Uh-oh.

05:25:17.460 I'm not going to like this.

05:25:18.320 I'll tell you right now.

05:25:18.780 What happens is there's a lot of women out there who are getting into their 30s and their

05:25:24.200 mid-30s and they've realized that they have ridden what we like to refer to as the cock

05:25:30.220 carousel and they did it for a long time.

05:25:33.360 It's true.

05:25:33.840 They couldn't find a guy and so in their 30s now, they're kind of screwed and so what

05:25:39.880 they do is they reform and find Jesus and then go to the church and then when they're

05:25:48.400 at the church, they try to meet guys and that's really a big problem and it's going on all

05:25:57.120 over the place now.

05:25:58.980 But is it a problem if they really find Jesus?

05:26:01.960 That's the problem, what you just said.

05:26:03.960 Is if they really find Jesus.

05:26:04.840 No, no, no.

05:26:05.400 So, no, you're useless or not useless.

05:26:07.900 You're a useful pawn because of what you just said, right?

05:26:14.400 Is that a problem?

05:26:15.420 Yeah, it's a problem because what they'll do is they'll cover themselves behind don't

05:26:20.460 judge me.

05:26:21.480 Oh, well.

05:26:21.840 Don't judge me.

05:26:22.540 Oh, well, that's different.

05:26:22.980 I disagree with that.

05:26:23.380 Don't judge me.

05:26:23.940 Don't judge me.

05:26:24.640 Don't judge me.

05:26:25.340 But it's usually the women who are inside of these churches and women who are the ones

05:26:30.500 pushing the don't judge them.

05:26:32.680 And so, yeah, it's not looking good in churches at the moment.

05:26:38.300 So, just saying.

05:26:40.120 That's something which has been going on that was brought to my attention so I started looking

05:26:43.520 into it and yeah, it's going on all over the place.

05:26:46.160 So, it's like a pandemic of women like faking coming to Jesus and just going to church to

05:26:52.220 find a good Jesus woman man?

05:26:52.680 I'm not even sure that they're faking, right?

05:26:55.140 Maybe they're coming for all the right reasons, but it really doesn't change the fact that

05:26:59.480 I don't think that if a man in his 20s and 30s doesn't want to marry a former prostitute

05:27:04.960 because she converted to Christianity, he probably doesn't need to.

05:27:08.600 Well, hang on.

05:27:09.160 I want Lindsay to speak on this.

05:27:10.380 I don't know.

05:27:10.920 I'm going to wait until there's a question asked.

05:27:13.340 No, Lindsay's a former stripper.

05:27:15.420 Oh, did not know this.

05:27:17.000 Oh, it just got so juicy.

05:27:18.460 Did not know this.

05:27:20.360 Yeah.

05:27:20.840 You wasted all the good time on like these three that left.

05:27:24.540 Feminist McGee over here.

05:27:25.300 Lindsay has juice.

05:27:27.340 Squeeze it.

05:27:27.900 Clearing his.

05:27:28.380 Squeeze that juice.

05:27:29.060 I'm going to dominate this girl next.

05:27:30.640 He's got you in his sights.

05:27:33.540 Shoot.

05:27:35.300 Well, I was just going to say.

05:27:36.740 I'm an open book.

05:27:37.660 I get it.

05:27:38.360 I understand.

05:27:39.180 I'm not saying that they're coming to the church for the wrong reasons.

05:27:41.820 Don't judge me.

05:27:42.600 I'm just kidding.

05:27:43.080 Right.

05:27:43.840 Right.

05:27:44.260 Well, I mean, that's, but that's, that's an actual problem is we should use righteous judgment

05:27:49.480 for one.

05:27:50.100 And no, we shouldn't tell women who are reforming or men for that matter, that they shouldn't

05:27:55.460 go to the church in order to do that.

05:27:58.280 They should.

05:27:59.560 But that doesn't mean that their past gets erased.

05:28:02.040 Right.

05:28:02.320 It's this born again.

05:28:03.440 I'm a born again virgin.

05:28:04.820 I'm pure now.

05:28:06.160 I'll that, that shit trying to put that on men.

05:28:09.740 Like, uh, you try, they almost seem like they're pushing it as an odd, like you ought to marry

05:28:14.920 them because now they're pure again.

05:28:16.480 Oh, right.

05:28:17.180 Judge them type of thing.

05:28:18.260 Yeah.

05:28:18.480 And I think it's perfectly fine for Christians to say, I have the preference not to marry

05:28:24.040 a prostitute.

05:28:25.180 I think that that's fine.

05:28:26.480 Yeah.

05:28:27.280 Well, no, I, I totally agree.

05:28:28.680 I think men have every right to say, I understand that that's your past, but I'm not okay with

05:28:33.740 it.

05:28:34.020 Yeah.

05:28:34.200 So I can't be okay with it.

05:28:35.440 He shouldn't marry a woman.

05:28:36.340 And then obviously not be okay with it because he would use that against her the rest of her

05:28:40.200 life.

05:28:40.440 So, well, I'm not, I'm not even sure that you can't forgive it and forget it.

05:28:45.220 And it's not something you want.

05:28:46.680 The thing is, it's like, isn't it, it just kind of seems a little bit predatory to me.

05:28:51.500 It seems like.

05:28:52.000 The way the women are doing it?

05:28:52.920 Yeah.

05:28:53.280 Okay.

05:28:53.640 I can agree.

05:28:54.240 Yeah.

05:28:54.400 It seems a little bit predatory and you don't know.

05:28:57.380 And that's the thing, right?

05:28:58.380 Is that Christianity can be pretty naive sometimes when it comes to the world.

05:29:03.220 Well, maybe, maybe that's something we can, we can work on, but, um, but yeah, they come

05:29:08.940 into the church and, um, they kind of, kind of praying on, on young men, I would say.

05:29:15.160 Well, just so you know, I'm not actually one of those women.

05:29:17.280 I didn't do this recently and I didn't go to church right after and go snatch my husband.

05:29:21.580 This is like 20 years ago in my past, but no, I, well, no, I get it.

05:29:26.520 And it's okay.

05:29:27.540 It's okay to reform.

05:29:28.540 And it's a good thing.

05:29:29.360 You should get married, even if you're reformed.

05:29:31.380 I think that that's fine.

05:29:32.240 All that's fine.

05:29:33.340 I'm just saying that men, Christian men should still have the preference to be like, yeah,

05:29:37.960 I'm not going to marry a chick who was a pro, you know what I mean?

05:29:40.840 I think that's fine.

05:29:41.900 Yeah, absolutely.

05:29:43.280 Yeah.

05:29:43.700 And good.

05:29:44.380 I think it's good that they, they're a little reserved about it.

05:29:48.080 So I have some more notes here.

05:29:51.180 We have, we're still on Lindsey Graham.

05:29:55.040 Uh, so you said you, in your pre-show notes here, you had a colorful past.

05:29:59.800 You were, you were, you were raised quick.

05:30:02.380 Gosh, what is going on?

05:30:04.340 It's been a long day.

05:30:06.000 It's been a long day.

05:30:06.980 Uh, raised Christian, excuse me.

05:30:09.320 You fell off the deep end in your twenties.

05:30:11.840 You were a stripper.

05:30:12.840 You mentioned that, uh, meth addict.

05:30:15.720 I was a meth addict.

05:30:16.740 Yeah.

05:30:17.580 Uh, then you were forced into an, uh, smush motion with an abuse by an abusive boyfriend.

05:30:25.640 Yeah.

05:30:26.300 What do you mean forced?

05:30:28.440 Um, gosh, it's always such a weird word to try to use without telling the full story.

05:30:34.200 Right.

05:30:34.760 Manipulated would be a better word.

05:30:36.780 Um, when I got pregnant, he, of course, he was very abusive.

05:30:41.840 So emotionally, physically, verbally, and I'm not a wuss.

05:30:45.060 I'm not like he emotionally abused me.

05:30:46.440 He was literally emotionally abusing me, gaslighting.

05:30:49.700 And, um, first he called me a liar and tried to just kind of cut me off.

05:30:54.580 And then when I proved that I was pregnant, um, he used different manipulation tactics

05:31:01.040 to try to get me to have an abortion.

05:31:03.920 One being, um, if you have the baby, I'm going to take the baby, make sure that because you're

05:31:12.540 an ex stripper and an ex drug addict, I'll make sure the courts know this.

05:31:15.520 You'll never see your baby again.

05:31:17.580 Um, that was his way of, you know, trying to get me to have an abortion so that, of course,

05:31:21.400 he didn't want to be responsible.

05:31:22.320 He was a good Christian man in the church.

05:31:24.740 Didn't want his reputation ruined.

05:31:26.800 Um, that didn't work because I was struggling, of course.

05:31:29.860 Wait, what does that mean?

05:31:30.760 He was a good Christian man in the church?

05:31:32.860 Man.

05:31:33.520 And you were a drug addict?

05:31:34.900 No, not at this time.

05:31:36.220 Oh.

05:31:38.240 Years prior.

05:31:39.840 This is years prior.

05:31:41.040 Okay, hold on.

05:31:41.540 Um, so I was a dancer and a drug addict at the same time.

05:31:45.640 Okay.

05:31:46.460 Left those lifestyles and began dating him immediately.

05:31:52.060 Oh, I was that girl.

05:31:54.460 Oh, no, it wasn't.

05:31:55.540 That wasn't a thing.

05:31:56.100 This was 20 years ago.

05:31:57.880 So I mean, it sounds a lot like that girl.

05:32:00.100 Except it does sound a lot like that girl.

05:32:02.260 Where's the like, gotcha?

05:32:03.000 Sounds a lot like the girl I just explained.

05:32:04.700 Wasn't there a button for that?

05:32:05.820 Gotcha, bitch.

05:32:06.480 Yeah.

05:32:08.080 Gotcha, bitch.

05:32:09.600 Okay, so.

05:32:10.460 Okay, but actually.

05:32:11.780 In my defense, I was living such a whirlwind, crazy life.

05:32:15.200 I was actually still attending church while I was a drug addict.

05:32:18.340 Okay.

05:32:18.420 Because my relationship was that.

05:32:19.320 But you're off the drugs.

05:32:20.220 You're not stripping anymore.

05:32:21.300 Yeah.

05:32:21.420 You go to church.

05:32:22.380 You meet this guy.

05:32:23.340 Yep.

05:32:23.920 Okay, so then what happened?

05:32:25.420 Um, so then I got pregnant.

05:32:27.220 Okay.

05:32:28.080 About, I guess, I don't know, six months to a year in.

05:32:30.440 And so he was manipulating me to get the abortion for one main reason.

05:32:35.920 He didn't want anyone in church to know that he was sleeping with someone before he was married.

05:32:40.700 Or that he wasn't this upright, outstanding, Jesus-following person that everyone thought he was.

05:32:48.420 And, um, anyway, the manipulation continued.

05:32:50.420 But weren't you supposed to be, too?

05:32:51.740 Because you were going to the church?

05:32:52.920 Yeah, but I knew I wasn't.

05:32:54.480 I knew that I wasn't.

05:32:55.380 I knew I had a lot of work to do with the Lord.

05:32:56.800 I knew that I wasn't following Jesus, that I was turning my life around.

05:33:00.480 He believed that he was, like, pastor material.

05:33:06.360 Just let it dissect.

05:33:07.720 Just digest.

05:33:08.120 Yeah, I'm digesting it.

05:33:10.080 It just...

05:33:11.800 Okay, so, not gonna lie.

05:33:14.540 Sounds a little predatory on your end.

05:33:16.840 Just a bit.

05:33:17.780 So you go right into the church and kind of...

05:33:20.120 No, no, no, I was already in the church.

05:33:21.740 And he wasn't?

05:33:22.800 He was in the church.

05:33:23.800 Okay.

05:33:24.320 I was a dancer and a drug addict while attending church.

05:33:29.600 Okay.

05:33:30.220 Still.

05:33:30.700 But you had quit all that?

05:33:31.900 I quit when I met him.

05:33:34.080 Because he got you off out of there?

05:33:35.820 Nope, I would not give him the credit.

05:33:36.900 I will give God the credit.

05:33:38.740 But I looked at my life...

05:33:40.460 Well, did he assist God with that?

05:33:42.820 No, he did not.

05:33:43.900 So he didn't say, like, you need to stop doing that shit?

05:33:46.880 Nope.

05:33:47.380 No?

05:33:47.840 Okay.

05:33:48.140 I looked at the idea of him.

05:33:50.920 And I looked at my own life.

05:33:52.220 And I recognized that the way I was raised was I've always wanted to be a mom and a wife.

05:33:57.880 And the life that I'm living will not get me to that situation.

05:34:02.800 I will never have a man like that because of who I am.

05:34:06.000 The life that I'm living.

05:34:07.140 So I decided to stop dancing.

05:34:10.340 And then I decided...

05:34:11.940 And when you were in the club...

05:34:12.880 I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

05:34:14.380 But when you're in the club, you're doing the dancing.

05:34:16.120 Did you do the thing that a lot of them do where...

05:34:18.440 Oh, gosh.

05:34:18.780 Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

05:34:19.900 No, I don't.

05:34:20.400 Go ahead.

05:34:20.720 I'm just waiting to hear you say it out loud.

05:34:22.320 With the Johns in the back?

05:34:24.140 No.

05:34:24.780 Nope.

05:34:25.260 Never?

05:34:25.720 I didn't think you were going to say that.

05:34:26.460 No.

05:34:26.900 Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

05:34:27.960 Champagne room?

05:34:28.660 Is that what you're talking about?

05:34:29.460 Yeah.

05:34:29.820 I think I get what you're saying.

05:34:31.140 And the answer would be no.

05:34:32.260 Yeah.

05:34:32.840 But I mean, you saw a lot of that happening, right?

05:34:34.760 Actually, I didn't.

05:34:35.680 I didn't do it very long.

05:34:37.140 So...

05:34:37.260 Okay.

05:34:37.580 And no, I never saw it.

05:34:38.500 I'm assuming it did.

05:34:39.740 But, yeah.

05:34:46.120 No, I was just doing it for money and was not in the right state of mind.

05:34:50.160 Do you have, like, any advice for people who do want to dance or whatever?

05:34:53.680 Because I know a lot of people who do, and I don't think that they understand, like, what

05:34:58.620 happens behind the scenes and how they get treated and all this other stuff.

05:35:02.480 Yeah, my advice would be do not do it.

05:35:04.640 It's very, of course, it's very demeaning.

05:35:08.120 Like, women, all women are worth way more than what their body will sell for.

05:35:12.800 So I would never suggest that women abuse their body and their soul to that point and

05:35:19.840 essentially sell themselves.

05:35:22.600 So anyway, this church relationship that you had, okay, going forward with this, so you

05:35:29.460 say he used manipulation tactics, okay, so then you did the deed, right?

05:35:35.480 Yeah, I basically fought him as long as I could, and then he scheduled an abortion for me.

05:35:39.620 How long was that that you fought him?

05:35:41.300 I was, I think, eight weeks when he took me to get it.

05:35:45.040 Eight weeks.

05:35:45.620 Yeah.

05:35:45.840 Okay.

05:35:46.600 So you fight him for eight weeks, you go and you have it.

05:35:50.220 Did you stay with him?

05:35:53.000 Unfortunately, yes.

05:35:53.900 For how long?

05:35:55.020 I would say another year.

05:35:57.640 And now everything was off and on.

05:35:59.160 We were such a toxic relationship, as you can imagine.

05:36:01.780 And we would break up and get back together, break up and get back together.

05:36:05.420 And so.

05:36:05.720 I mean, I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie, just, and I don't know, right?

05:36:10.060 And feel free to correct me, but kind of sounds a little bit to me like you're shifting blame

05:36:14.920 away from yourself with the language of like manipulation and things like this.

05:36:18.480 Almost trying to distance yourself from you're also at fault for that, right?

05:36:22.320 No, no, no.

05:36:22.700 I will, I will admit that I'm at fault.

05:36:24.360 I will admit that I should have been a stronger person.

05:36:27.800 I should have resisted.

05:36:29.420 I think about how I should have literally picked up and moved and never told him where

05:36:34.300 I was and like went into hiding.

05:36:36.000 I take full responsibility for the choice that I made to be able to be manipulated and to

05:36:41.380 not fight back.

05:36:42.420 Yeah.

05:36:42.860 I don't know what that means though.

05:36:43.900 Like if I, if when you say I fought back as hard as I can, what is, what is, what would

05:36:48.160 that entail?

05:36:49.020 The fighting back?

05:36:50.200 Um, more of a mental, more of like mental gymnastics.

05:36:53.620 Um, it's really hard to sit here as a very, very strong woman now who is, has a great life

05:37:01.200 and is mentally sound to look at the kind of person that I was when I was being abused.

05:37:07.140 Um, because I was with him for, um, well, I guess about two years, um, maybe longer.

05:37:15.060 So maybe my timeline is off.

05:37:16.260 It's kind of a blur, but the mental gymnastics that he played from day one, um, completely

05:37:23.600 took away all of my self-worth and I was just a shell of a woman.

05:37:29.000 I mean, I was completely able to be manipulated, coerced, gaslit.

05:37:33.280 Would you say he was a narcissist?

05:37:34.740 Yes, absolutely.

05:37:36.140 Was he ever diagnosed as a narcissist?

05:37:38.020 Um, he would never, ever go to a doctor because that, to admit that there was something that

05:37:42.000 needed to be looked at.

05:37:42.820 So probably not.

05:37:43.980 Just, just a question I asked, but, uh, yeah, I didn't have anything else.

05:37:47.640 So my fight, my fight was more mental.

05:37:49.340 Like if I can convince him that this is wrong, if I can convince him that there's a baby in

05:37:54.400 my body and that we could raise a family and then he would look deep inside his soul and

05:38:01.640 understand like the morality issue, but he had no interest in that.

05:38:06.460 Were you always pro-choice or pro-life before?

05:38:10.140 Did the church find out about that, by the way?

05:38:12.280 Um, I wasn't a member of the church and about, well, I would say a year.

05:38:18.620 So when I finally broke free of him completely, I started going to a new church and really

05:38:26.020 found Jesus in authenticity.

05:38:29.100 And, um, I, I got down on my knees and gave my baby to God.

05:38:33.000 And that was kind of the closure of, you know, my abortion.

05:38:36.760 So besides church, you never found out about it?

05:38:38.980 Um, no, no, not that I'm aware of.

05:38:41.580 Now they know.

05:38:43.000 Eric Pettit.

05:38:43.600 Who did I kick off first?

05:38:45.080 Because we did a prediction on Twitch of who was going to get kicked tonight.

05:38:49.460 So basically she was already in the back eating chips.

05:38:51.780 And she was checked.

05:38:52.640 Well, she just got up and left.

05:38:54.580 And then this girl stood up.

05:38:56.340 That girl stood up.

05:38:57.840 Yeah.

05:38:58.240 Well, this girl was on the couch.

05:39:00.300 She was.

05:39:00.780 She was checked out.

05:39:01.620 And then I was like, hey, are you coming back?

05:39:03.100 And she's like, what if I don't?

05:39:04.960 Wait, chat.

05:39:05.360 She was like, why should I?

05:39:06.480 Or why do I have to?

05:39:06.880 No, I think she was like, what if I don't?

05:39:08.800 Or.

05:39:09.020 She said, what if, why do I have to?

05:39:10.860 If anybody in the chat remembers, do you remember, like, there was a girl behind the scenes.

05:39:15.160 I don't know if you could even hear.

05:39:16.520 First off, in the chat, could you even hear the girl behind the scenes when I was like,

05:39:20.820 yo, are you coming back?

05:39:22.460 And then I think she said something along the lines of.

05:39:26.080 Well, why do I have to?

05:39:28.020 Something like that.

05:39:28.920 I think that's where I snapped.

05:39:30.480 She said, why should I?

05:39:31.360 It was, bro, it was like.

05:39:33.060 Bro, I fucking snapped, bro.

05:39:35.360 It's like, how are you going to ask to come on the podcast and whinge like that?

05:39:38.080 Uh, they're saying, no, you couldn't hear it.

05:39:41.220 They, if other people were talking, they probably couldn't have heard it.

05:39:46.040 But I forgot if I kicked her.

05:39:47.440 She was like standing up.

05:39:49.500 She was, she was standing up.

05:39:51.040 So this one across.

05:39:51.660 They were about, they were going to leave.

05:39:53.100 She was second.

05:39:53.920 Right after she got up and left, it kind of like made them feel like they could just leave too.

05:39:59.060 They obviously.

05:39:59.660 I think it was, was it a kick or a leave?

05:40:01.480 It was, it was a kick.

05:40:02.740 Cause they were, they were, that girl sat back down.

05:40:04.680 Well, I said sit back down, right?

05:40:06.020 I said, sit back down, I'll have to watch it back.

05:40:08.640 No, no, no.

05:40:08.980 It was a kick because they were, they were lingering.

05:40:11.560 And I think they would have wanted you to stay.

05:40:13.100 And you were like, get out of here.

05:40:14.360 That's what I'm saying.

05:40:15.160 It's pretty funny.

05:40:15.740 They wanted you to tell them to stay.

05:40:18.120 Oh, really?

05:40:18.700 Yeah.

05:40:18.880 Like when they were all over there?

05:40:20.320 Yeah, they wanted you to tell them to stay and you told them to get the fuck out.

05:40:22.860 No, once I, okay.

05:40:25.140 They're trying to manipulate you to get.

05:40:28.140 No, hold on.

05:40:28.860 It takes me a while to get to a kick.

05:40:31.480 But once I decide on a kick, it's the point of no return.

05:40:35.300 Yeah.

05:40:36.020 There, you can't, there's no going back.

05:40:38.060 No, but they were standing up like, oh, we're so tired of this.

05:40:41.220 I forgot what that girl was saying about how she just like.

05:40:43.800 They're being fucking obnoxious and rude.

05:40:44.940 How the conversation was just not really productive.

05:40:48.160 She obviously hated it.

05:40:49.580 So I think she was trying to like get you to be like, no stay.

05:40:52.940 Back to fucking Phoenix they go or wherever the frick they are from in Arizona.

05:40:58.100 Wait, what?

05:41:00.900 We're just sitting here trying not to get kicked off.

05:41:02.800 Yeah, I know.

05:41:03.700 He's like, she was back there eating chips.

05:41:04.980 I'm like, oh, I do have a chat here from our good friend Jay Aiken from Canada.

05:41:08.460 Hey, Brian, a bit off topic question for Andrew.

05:41:10.180 What's your firearm of choice?

05:41:11.440 Brian, you should show Andrew the knife I made you.

05:41:14.240 I don't have it here in the studio.

05:41:15.720 I have it elsewhere.

05:41:17.420 Firearm of choice and AK-47.

05:41:19.400 That's beautiful.

05:41:21.700 AK-47.

05:41:22.800 I want to buy a gun.

05:41:24.020 Is it AR-15?

05:41:25.360 Do they make automatic and semi-auto AKs?

05:41:28.980 Because you can't have a...

05:41:30.320 No, you can own a machine gun in the United States.

05:41:33.060 You just have to go through a class three dealer.

05:41:35.140 Is that like through ATF?

05:41:36.520 Yeah, you have to put in a tax stamp.

05:41:38.180 Okay.

05:41:38.500 It's only 200 bucks.

05:41:39.420 Okay.

05:41:40.220 Interesting.

05:41:41.080 Interesting.

05:41:41.460 But the machine gun will cost you like 50 grand.

05:41:43.280 So, let's see from my notes here.

05:41:47.620 Any specific thing?

05:41:50.900 We should look for in the relationship as character.

05:41:54.960 Okay.

05:41:55.480 And then we're going to go to...

05:41:57.480 Where is it?

05:41:58.420 Where's Kendall?

05:41:58.960 Where's my notes for her?

05:42:00.340 I feel like we blew through a lot of juicy stuff.

05:42:03.320 Yeah.

05:42:04.120 Lindsey Graham.

05:42:05.140 We went through both of them pretty quick.

05:42:07.040 Kendall's, I think, right above it.

05:42:09.980 There's not a lot of notes.

05:42:11.080 We kind of half-assed them.

05:42:11.800 Oh, I don't...

05:42:12.480 Yeah, we did kind of half-assed because I just felt like we'll just talk about it while we're here.

05:42:14.920 Actually, I'm not sure if I got much from Kendall, but you included some of her stuff.

05:42:19.860 Last thing, fuck it.

05:42:21.960 What's everybody's body count starting with Madison?

05:42:26.160 You're not sharing anymore.

05:42:27.360 If you know, you know.

05:42:28.180 If you know, you know.

05:42:29.060 Okay.

05:42:29.300 What about you?

05:42:30.040 I'm not too sure, honestly.

05:42:31.880 If you had that...

05:42:32.680 I'm sorry.

05:42:33.380 Go off.

05:42:34.120 Oh, I was just going to say if you had that estimate.

05:42:35.880 Go off.

05:42:36.540 I wasn't going to go off.

05:42:37.380 Estimate.

05:42:39.220 I'm not...

05:42:39.860 I was going to go off.

05:42:40.840 What is it?

05:42:41.400 No, I'm kidding.

05:42:41.800 Yeah.

05:42:43.140 Um, I'm not too sure.

05:42:45.200 I'm not going to come up with, like, numbers, but I know for definite sure it's, like, over

05:42:49.080 10.

05:42:50.760 Over 20?

05:42:50.880 Is it over 15?

05:42:53.020 Maybe not, no.

05:42:54.800 So between 10 and 15?

05:42:56.060 Yeah, probably.

05:42:57.940 So 12?

05:43:00.580 If you want to say that, yeah.

05:43:02.940 Just like her status.

05:43:04.860 Just, uh, I'm not sure my 20s were a blur.

05:43:09.640 If you had a, you want to do a range?

05:43:11.640 Yeah, probably 10 to 15.

05:43:13.300 Okay.

05:43:14.260 Gustavo?

05:43:15.580 Zero.

05:43:17.480 Zero.

05:43:18.360 Yeah.

05:43:18.860 Oh.

05:43:19.520 Oh.

05:43:22.260 One.

05:43:23.080 Oh, yeah.

05:43:23.580 That's my girl.

05:43:24.420 Oh, wait.

05:43:24.800 We missed it.

05:43:25.340 Go ahead.

05:43:26.500 Sorry, one more time.

05:43:27.340 I think we weren't all.

05:43:27.920 One.

05:43:28.140 Just one.

05:43:28.720 My husband.

05:43:29.360 On our wedding night.

05:43:30.240 There you go.

05:43:31.140 Nice.

05:43:31.660 Okay.

05:43:33.740 Andrew, I know, we know you were quite the ladies' man in your day.

05:43:38.640 Are you Slutie?

05:43:39.640 Quite the ladies' man.

05:43:41.600 Me?

05:43:42.160 Dude, I feel like you crushed it in college.

05:43:46.020 Have you guys ever done this before?

05:43:47.500 I thought you don't tell.

05:43:48.900 I don't tell.

05:43:49.580 Oh, this is terrible.

05:43:50.360 But this is the one that he's going to tell.

05:43:51.840 But this is the podcast.

05:43:52.540 But this is the podcast.

05:43:53.740 Andrew was in debate club in college, and all the girls there were like, bro, his fucking

05:43:57.940 prowess.

05:43:58.940 Oh, my gosh.

05:44:00.800 Yeah.

05:44:01.420 I feel like it's a little predatory.

05:44:02.520 Do you really think that after sitting at this table so many times that women actually

05:44:07.280 liked me enough to sleep with me?

05:44:09.660 What are you thinking?

05:44:10.440 I feel like some of them are into, got to be into it, right?

05:44:14.280 Well, obviously, his wife is.

05:44:15.260 Like, you just destroy them.

05:44:16.160 Yeah, no kidding.

05:44:17.000 No, but I don't think you don't debate with your wife, right?

05:44:19.360 We have at least one over here.

05:44:20.460 Yeah, we've done team debates once or twice.

05:44:23.160 No, but I mean, you don't, like, debate her, like, in private just for the fuck of it,

05:44:26.740 you know?

05:44:27.380 You guys probably get along, you know?

05:44:28.540 I do sometimes run arguments, or she runs arguments by me, but no, we don't debate.

05:44:32.360 Yeah.

05:44:33.140 Yeah.

05:44:34.280 Good times.

05:44:35.620 Let's see.

05:44:36.160 What's your body count?

05:44:37.120 Oh, I don't share that.

05:44:38.080 Please tell us.

05:44:39.060 Sorry.

05:44:39.420 Tonight, you know?

05:44:40.580 Sorry on that.

05:44:41.540 Let me see.

05:44:42.900 I think we're fully caught up on all our notes.

05:44:45.340 There's one thing I do need to do here before we, guys, please stick around because I need

05:44:50.520 to talk about something important, so.

05:44:52.400 I do have to leave very soon.

05:44:55.320 Are you down to, like, push it for, like, 10 minutes?

05:44:58.400 Like, be for real, though.

05:44:59.300 How much longer?

05:44:59.640 Like, for real, 10 minutes.

05:45:01.980 Okay.

05:45:03.480 For realsies.

05:45:04.740 Okay.

05:45:05.000 Okay.

05:45:05.520 Nick, I'm going to send you something in the private chat that you're going to pull up

05:45:09.360 into one of the, into the Chrome browser.

05:45:12.240 I'm going to copy the Dropbox link.

05:45:14.500 Hold on, guys.

05:45:15.180 I'm going to send it to you.

05:45:16.440 Are you talking about it?

05:45:16.740 I think this should work.

05:45:17.940 What's that?

05:45:18.300 Your scam thing?

05:45:19.340 Yeah.

05:45:19.780 Oh.

05:45:20.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

05:45:21.560 Got scammed.

05:45:23.020 So, pull that.

05:45:24.040 Oh, my goodness.

05:45:24.440 Don't let it, or mute the audio just so it doesn't autoplay.

05:45:26.820 Oh, shit.

05:45:29.980 Also, hold on.

05:45:31.140 I need to send you, shit, I need to send you a couple links.

05:45:35.640 While I do that, Madison, can you ask a dating question?

05:45:37.740 Go ahead.

05:45:41.360 No pressure.

05:45:42.860 You got this shit.

05:45:44.140 You got it, Maddie.

05:45:45.940 What is your biggest ick?

05:45:49.400 For the ladies.

05:45:50.580 Gertrude, you start.

05:45:52.120 Can we not call me that?

05:45:53.780 Okay.

05:45:54.660 Damn.

05:45:54.860 Alien.

05:45:56.820 I feel like it's your elvish name.

05:45:59.760 Elvish name.

05:46:00.660 Have you ever dated a, would you ever date a dwarf?

05:46:04.340 A little person?

05:46:05.580 Oh, no.

05:46:06.640 Do you know any little people?

05:46:07.840 No.

05:46:08.500 I like, like, for me, I like grown-ass men.

05:46:11.800 So, I like men that are, like, kind of, like.

05:46:14.240 Yeah.

05:46:15.160 Like, older?

05:46:15.960 Yeah.

05:46:16.620 How much older?

05:46:18.020 I don't really have a limit on that.

05:46:20.120 What's the oldest you've dated?

05:46:21.960 Like, would you date, like, say 80?

05:46:24.180 I've been with, like, a 70-year-old man.

05:46:25.920 Oh, really?

05:46:27.580 70-year-old man.

05:46:28.460 Speaking of ick.

05:46:30.340 Do you have an objection to age gap relationships?

05:46:35.040 Yes.

05:46:35.300 I think that there's a gap that could be too far.

05:46:39.800 Yeah.

05:46:40.260 It's probably in, like.

05:46:40.960 How far is too far?

05:46:41.900 Probably, like, the 25 range.

05:46:43.960 25 years.

05:46:45.400 Yeah.

05:46:46.140 I mean, that's, like.

05:46:46.680 25-year gap?

05:46:47.200 That's, like, a pretty decent ick, right?

05:46:49.020 Like, that could be your child.

05:46:50.820 And I'm trying to be generous.

05:46:51.600 I think 25 is really generous, Lindsay.

05:46:53.640 I feel like.

05:46:53.980 I feel like he's generous.

05:46:54.880 Yeah.

05:46:55.620 I don't know.

05:46:55.800 Are you, what are you icked at?

05:46:56.840 20?

05:46:57.640 Yeah.

05:46:58.140 20.

05:46:58.680 So, 30 and 50, you disapprove.

05:47:01.020 35 and 55.

05:47:01.780 Do you have a.

05:47:02.520 Yes.

05:47:03.060 Do you have any takes on that, Andrew?

05:47:04.640 No.

05:47:05.360 Yeah.

05:47:05.540 Well, I just will ask if you have a moral argument against it or if it just grosses you out.

05:47:10.760 Just grosses me out.

05:47:12.200 Yeah.

05:47:12.340 Mine, well, and I have a moral if it's, like, when did you start dating?

05:47:18.880 Like, is this a 13-year-old and a, someone.

05:47:21.260 Let's say, like, adult relationships.

05:47:24.040 Yeah.

05:47:24.300 No, I think it's.

05:47:25.560 You got it, Nick?

05:47:26.600 Just ick.

05:47:27.240 Okay.

05:47:28.420 Just ick.

05:47:28.820 He's got it.

05:47:29.280 Yeah.

05:47:29.480 Just ick.

05:47:29.740 And I even have a hard time with the 20 ick.

05:47:31.460 It's, like, 30.

05:47:31.960 I picture 35 and 55 not being that ick.

05:47:35.040 Yeah.

05:47:35.260 Right?

05:47:35.420 And then I know that I'm 43, so I'm picturing a 63-year-old, and I'm, like, hmm, that's pretty

05:47:40.500 gross, too.

05:47:41.360 But unless he's really good at chase.

05:47:43.440 But, but.

05:47:44.480 Like Hugh Jackman.

05:47:45.500 But what if we're all looking better when we're 70, right?

05:47:48.040 That's right.

05:47:49.020 Like, if we're just, if we're just looking amazing at 70.

05:47:53.060 I mean, I, like, for me personally, whenever I'm 70, I don't think I'm going to have a problem

05:47:57.860 with, like, I think I'm going to look maybe the same.

05:48:00.880 Maybe a little bit hotter.

05:48:01.960 Go on.

05:48:02.200 This is a quick question for the viewers on Twitch.

05:48:07.100 Quick question before I get into the whole me getting scammed thing.

05:48:10.000 It's quick.

05:48:10.680 It's three minutes.

05:48:11.280 It'll probably take me three, four minutes to explain it.

05:48:13.660 This is for the Twitch viewers.

05:48:16.760 If you put your mouse cursor, if, assuming you're watching on desktop and not on mobile,

05:48:21.360 for the Twitch viewers, if you put your cursor over the screen, do you get, like, a thing

05:48:27.600 on the right center that pops out, Prime Gaming Benefits Reminder?

05:48:32.660 And then there's a green dynamic follow button.

05:48:36.780 Do you get both of those?

05:48:38.800 It's just something kind of new.

05:48:40.820 And then, okay, cool, cool.

05:48:42.580 That was the only thing I wanted to ask there.

05:48:44.080 Also, guys, before I tell you about the scam story, guys, if you're watching on Twitch,

05:48:46.900 please drop us a follow in the Prime sub.

05:48:49.020 If you're watching on YouTube, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.

05:48:51.760 Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.

05:48:54.500 Really appreciate all your support over there, guys.

05:48:57.320 Thank you for all the follows and the Primes tonight or the Tier 1s, all the subs.

05:49:02.980 Really appreciate it, guys.

05:49:04.120 Thank you so much.

05:49:05.640 Okay, so let me tell you the quick story of how Brian, you know, I don't think I've ever

05:49:12.540 been scammed in my life.

05:49:14.360 I usually have a pretty good eye for this shit, but I got scammed.

05:49:18.460 I got scammed recently.

05:49:20.280 Here's what happened.

05:49:21.360 So here's the story.

05:49:22.640 I have notes, so I'm going to be reading from notes.

05:49:26.080 Just because there's a lot of fucking details and I, you know, I haven't.

05:49:30.840 I'm going to give you the short condensed version.

05:49:32.820 I could show you like screenshots and stuff, but I do have a video compilation that will

05:49:37.900 capture most of it.

05:49:39.840 But if, you know, I have receipts, but it's just, I don't want to get, maybe I'll do a

05:49:44.220 follow-up video.

05:49:45.140 But so January 20th, I received an Instagram DM from Spearman Social.

05:49:53.020 Now, Nick, can you pull up the first Instagram that I sent you?

05:49:56.240 Spearman Social?

05:49:58.340 And I'm, okay.

05:50:00.380 So that's the first one, but that's not the primary account.

05:50:02.780 Just so you guys know.

05:50:04.800 And I'm saying this because I want to try to prevent other people from getting scammed

05:50:12.880 because I actually ended up getting in contact with somebody else who was also scammed by

05:50:17.500 this guy.

05:50:18.020 So this isn't just like, you know, I didn't just get scammed.

05:50:21.280 Like there's other people getting scammed in this.

05:50:23.800 So Spearman Social, January 20th, received an Instagram DM.

05:50:27.240 It's run by David Spearman, and you can pull his Instagram up.

05:50:33.840 There he is.

05:50:35.460 You can zoom out a little bit.

05:50:38.540 So you can show the, yep, there he is.

05:50:41.180 And then, and it's also run by his girlfriend, Ciara Stevens.

05:50:45.020 And you can go to the other one.

05:50:47.380 That's his girlfriend.

05:50:48.560 They both run this social media company that they have.

05:50:51.100 And they messaged me, and they say, we can get you at Brian Atlas on Instagram, something

05:50:56.400 that would be nice to have.

05:50:59.100 But I'm not really super active on my personal.

05:51:01.600 It's not a huge priority for me.

05:51:03.320 But having at whatever almost everywhere and preferring clean usernames and URLs, it did

05:51:08.380 pique my interest.

05:51:09.240 But I was skeptical, and I actually initially waved it off.

05:51:12.220 But the guy was super persistent.

05:51:13.700 He messaged me almost every day.

05:51:15.500 And after a month of him and his girlfriend following up with me almost every day, he

05:51:23.580 offered terms that I was willing to do.

05:51:25.560 He said if it didn't work out, I'd get a full refund.

05:51:27.840 He said he worked with Justin Waller.

05:51:29.420 He had all these testimonials, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

05:51:31.760 Nick, don't show that while I'm doing, oh, my God, bro.

05:51:34.720 Why would you, oh, my God.

05:51:37.180 Okay.

05:51:39.580 Nick, come on.

05:51:41.420 Why would, okay.

05:51:42.760 So, it would take a few days.

05:51:47.080 Okay.

05:51:47.520 Oh, my God, bro.

05:51:50.060 Wait, so.

05:51:50.840 Whoever's editing this video, you're, oh, my God.

05:51:52.580 Thanks, Nick.

05:51:54.700 He said, okay, so, after a few months of him and his girlfriend following up with me almost

05:52:00.500 every day, so he offered terms that I was willing to do.

05:52:03.100 He said if it didn't work out, get a full refund, blah, blah, blah.

05:52:05.580 He told me this process would be very quick, and it would take like a few days, and I'd have

05:52:11.340 at Brian Atlas on Instagram.

05:52:13.300 At one point, he even told me he would be able to get it done same day.

05:52:17.740 So, I accept, and we agreed to $2,000 for this.

05:52:21.440 And this is a pretty common price for like username acquisition, and then I'd pay him

05:52:26.280 $1,500 after he gets it done.

05:52:28.100 So, I transfer $1,000 in crypto February 22nd, transfer the remaining $1,000 a day or

05:52:32.180 two later.

05:52:33.060 Now, it's been over seven weeks, almost two months since I paid him $2,000 back in February.

05:52:39.680 It's now April.

05:52:41.300 They've not delivered.

05:52:42.760 They've been giving me the runaround for, well, almost two months now.

05:52:47.220 And they'd always say like, oh, later this week or next week, nearly every single week

05:52:51.660 for seven weeks.

05:52:52.920 And again, him and his girlfriend told me repeatedly that this would be a quick process.

05:52:59.240 So, basically what happens is this guy contacts you, offering social media services, username

05:53:03.640 claims, and he does some real work, I guess, to get testimonials from people, and maybe

05:53:09.420 these testimonials are fake, and these other people are in on it.

05:53:12.820 But they use these testimonials to seem legit, so they can scam people.

05:53:18.580 So, weeks have gone by when he previously said, hey, we can get this within a couple days.

05:53:24.300 We'll do a refund if we don't.

05:53:25.580 Been asking for a few weeks now for a refund.

05:53:27.100 He refuses.

05:53:28.100 They're mocking me in the DMs, insulting me in the DMs.

05:53:31.840 I'll do follow up on that at some point.

05:53:34.140 But for the time being, yeah, haven't got the username, still BD underscore Alice, and

05:53:41.040 still, they're still not doing a refund.

05:53:45.140 Now, here's a quick, if anybody is curious about, you know, the extent of the representations

05:53:50.960 that he made to me, here's a quick two-minute video compilation of just some, he would send

05:53:56.120 me video notes.

05:53:57.600 See, the thing that threw me off, right, and I was very skeptical, even despite this, most

05:54:02.380 scammers aren't going to show their face, right?

05:54:05.500 So, Nick, can you play the video?

05:54:09.240 Oh, wait, before you do, sorry, hold on.

05:54:11.940 The video includes, just so you know what to look out for, multiple times stating how quick

05:54:17.020 the process will take.

05:54:18.660 Bear in mind, I paid him back in February, it's now April, it's been two months, and

05:54:23.560 that he gives a refund.

05:54:24.440 So, just be cognizant of that.

05:54:26.520 Go ahead, Nick.

05:54:27.920 My name is David Spearman.

05:54:29.020 If you're watching this, you might think one of two things.

05:54:31.360 One, why his username claims?

05:54:33.220 And two, where is he?

05:54:34.820 Well, to answer one of those questions, I'm currently in Dubai Marina.

05:54:39.580 I don't know if you guys can tell.

05:54:41.140 In a penthouse.

05:54:41.860 So, we'll be able to claim the Brian Atlas by Friday if we did it today.

05:54:45.980 Basically guaranteed.

05:54:46.840 Some days, it's only two days.

05:54:47.820 Will Brian get his app today?

05:54:51.700 It would obviously be good for your pages, for the whatever page it says owned by Brian

05:54:55.720 Atlas, and just for your own personal brand, of course.

05:54:58.800 Hey, Brian, bro, as well.

05:55:00.360 Let me know if you still want to get that app done very easily.

05:55:03.940 You'll have the app owned in a couple of days.

05:55:06.940 Brian, I'm getting you an app.

05:55:08.040 Why are we not getting you an app, Brian?

05:55:14.240 And we definitely can get yours.

05:55:15.680 We've been ready to go.

05:55:16.780 Like, we're ready to go.

05:55:17.860 You see how fast we respond.

05:55:19.180 We'll get you the app.

05:55:20.460 Brother, I have no idea where we haven't got your app yet when Justin wired us and we refunded

05:55:24.840 him his money when we didn't get his, and we can 100% get yours, and you don't need to give

05:55:29.200 anyone a login.

05:55:30.320 You would own Brian Atlas.

05:55:31.800 You haven't had it by now.

05:55:32.700 So, if you refunded Justin Walter, you literally have zero risk of anything, and also we have

05:55:37.360 testimonies of people we've done it for.

05:55:38.940 Many people.

05:55:39.880 Yo, Brian.

05:55:40.640 Happy Monday morning.

05:55:42.840 If we are getting you, Brian Atlas, this setup today, you should have it Friday.

05:55:48.380 You have literally nothing to lose, because I've refunded Justin a 3K payment at once.

05:55:53.200 So, you've literally nothing to lose.

05:55:54.980 He said the thing maybe Monday, and then you'll have it like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

05:55:59.460 But the only reason I was trying to push it, because the rep had a stop today.

05:56:02.700 And he seemed like he could get it done today, which is pretty awesome.

05:56:05.900 And it would just be done.

05:56:06.920 One of the 2K deposits, so the deal is now active, to potentially have it done by today.

05:56:11.820 You're crying over 2K like it's fucking millions.

05:56:15.260 So, that's the last thing there was a voice memo, when I was like, asking for a refund,

05:56:19.520 and he says, you're crying over 2K.

05:56:20.960 Anyways.

05:56:21.580 Oh my gosh.

05:56:22.660 Wow.

05:56:23.320 Yeah, and look, I'm going to be fine.

05:56:25.660 I'm, you know, it's pretty clear.

05:56:27.740 And he actually sent me a message, because I contacted a few of his testimonials, and I was like,

05:56:31.920 hey, this guy scammed me.

05:56:33.460 And I heard from one of the guys, he was like, yeah, I got scammed too.

05:56:36.120 Oh no.

05:56:38.140 And I just kind of want to put it out there, because when I, like, I googled this guy.

05:56:44.560 I did, I tried to do my due diligence, and, you know, I just kind of want to make this

05:56:52.260 video, not to whine, you know, not to whine really, but to warn other people, bro, I mean,

05:56:58.460 you could, you know, I'm doing okay, but for somebody else, like, that could be catastrophic.

05:57:04.240 Look, I still want my fucking money back, bro.

05:57:06.300 Um, so, quick couple things here, if, oh, and the other thing, like, people are like,

05:57:12.720 you should have been, like, we had Justin Waller on the show, I talked to Justin Waller,

05:57:17.840 he, he did a claim or something for Justin Waller, so it's not like, this is a totally

05:57:22.260 a non-dude who, like, his, the level of scam that he's got going on, he'll do some legit

05:57:28.740 shit, but scam other people.

05:57:30.040 Apparently, it was all good with Justin Waller, who I know personally, so, yeah, you might

05:57:36.820 say, Brian, you, you fucked up, you shouldn't have trusted him, but it's like, look, you

05:57:40.820 know, I knew Justin Waller, Justin Waller said, hey, uh, seems, seems legit, whatever,

05:57:47.180 so, whatever.

05:57:48.060 Um, I will say, if anyone knows any lawyers in Dubai, uh, this couple, David Spearman and

05:57:53.740 T.R. Stevens, they're scamming people out of Dubai, and, um, apparently I'm not the only

05:57:59.400 person that they've, uh, scammed, so, uh, be careful, guys, uh, just want to put the

05:58:04.820 message out there, and, uh, yeah, that's it on that, okay, those of you who are watching

05:58:10.640 on Twitch, guys, drop us to follow in PrimeSup, I'm gonna do a raid over there on Twitch, I'm

05:58:17.720 gonna do a raid, let's see here, hold on, guys.

05:58:23.180 Is a raid a pizza party?

05:58:25.420 No, no, we're gonna raid, let me see, I'll do my outro.

05:58:29.400 And then I'll raid you guys to, uh, let's see who we have.

05:58:32.900 We have World of Warcraft Grandma.

05:58:35.080 Okay, we're gonna do her.

05:58:36.080 Nick, if you can get that pulled up, I'll start doing my outro here.

05:58:40.660 Okay, guys, uh, GG, well played, for those of you who made it to the end here.

05:58:44.700 Um, last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.

05:58:48.580 Thank you for tuning in tonight.

05:58:49.460 You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me, I appreciate that.

05:58:52.180 Thank you to everyone who Super Chats, donates, and supports the show.

05:58:54.620 We'll be live again Sunday and Tuesday, 5 p.m. Pacific.

05:58:58.120 Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.

05:59:00.580 If you can make it to Santa Barbara, 07's in the chat.

05:59:03.880 Like I said, over there on Twitch, we are going to raid, uh, woe, wow, grandma, I never can say it right.

05:59:10.740 Wow, grandma, 78.

05:59:12.580 Uh, she's 82.

05:59:14.340 She plays World of Warcraft.

05:59:16.360 She's got 200 viewers.

05:59:18.560 I like to, I try to raid people with, uh, smaller viewership on Twitch, just to kind of help them out, give them a little boost.

05:59:25.620 Um, Nick, if you can pull that up.

05:59:29.220 Okay.

05:59:30.160 Oh, what the fuck is she?

05:59:31.340 Oh, yes.

05:59:32.400 Oh, she's.

05:59:33.240 We wore big plastic boots.

05:59:34.720 That's when I took the guy up.

05:59:36.140 Her camera's not on it.

05:59:36.660 And the ranger had me take him up.

05:59:38.860 Well, I'm going to raid her.

05:59:39.980 I got a raid coming in.

05:59:41.720 Oh, okay.

05:59:42.300 So, thank you for watching on Twitch.

05:59:45.400 Follow us on.

05:59:47.040 This is 12,000 feet.

05:59:48.740 This is a disappointment cleaver.

05:59:50.880 Oh, she doesn't have her camera on.

05:59:51.960 It's okay.

05:59:52.240 I'll raid her.

05:59:52.920 You know where the cleaver's at.

05:59:54.980 No, it's fine.

05:59:56.080 It's fine.

05:59:56.940 Well, she's like doing a, uh, reviewing some photo book.

06:00:02.780 That's Mount Baker.

06:00:03.840 She has no idea that you're like, oh, I'm watching her.

06:00:06.160 Mount Baker.

06:00:06.980 No, I think she knows.

06:00:08.160 She knows.

06:00:08.840 Okay, I'm going to send you guys over.

06:00:10.280 Thank you.

06:00:10.620 Uh, Mount Adams.

06:00:12.060 Thank you for watching on Twitch, guys.

06:00:13.160 Appreciate it.

06:00:13.520 This is my grandson, Jenny.

06:00:15.900 Uh, yeah.

06:00:16.420 Why climb the...

06:00:17.720 So, going to, going to, uh, whatever is back again.

06:00:23.940 Thank you, whatever.

06:00:25.160 So, this is climbing...

06:00:26.520 What?

06:00:27.660 Hello, whatever.

06:00:28.880 This is climbing Mount Adams.

06:00:30.440 Um, I hope you guys enjoy it over there.

06:00:32.940 Uh, be nice.

06:00:34.120 Be nice to her.

06:00:34.900 Okay.

06:00:35.160 All right.

06:00:35.380 All right.

06:00:35.720 You can, you can pause it.

06:00:37.760 Um, I don't know.

06:00:39.900 I don't know.

06:00:40.600 Normally, she plays World of Warcraft, but she was doing like photo review on Twitch.

06:00:44.320 Oh, that's hilarious.

06:00:45.000 Of memories.

06:00:46.380 So, she's, she's nice.

06:00:47.420 Did you just, like, somehow hack into her computer and see what it is?

06:00:50.020 No, no, no.

06:00:50.040 Yes, I hacked into it.

06:00:51.160 Yeah, I hacked into it.

06:00:51.480 He just sent his chat from Twitch over to her.

06:00:53.800 Yeah, I pushed the audience over there.

06:00:55.940 Oh.

06:00:56.160 Uh, I think, uh, that's it.

06:00:59.200 Um, is there anything else?

06:01:02.140 Wait, aren't we going to be live sooner than Sunday?

06:01:05.420 Oh, we, guys, yes, I forgot.

06:01:07.980 Uh, Andrew's going to be here for some debates, uh, Thursday, probably Friday, Thursday, Friday.

06:01:15.780 Um, and then some other cool things are in the work, some, like, potentially some IRL stuff.

06:01:21.900 Um, some, anyways, um, we'll talk about that more.

06:01:25.920 We're in a different stream, but be sure to, uh, go subscribe to Andrew's YouTube channel,

06:01:30.260 The Crucible, the fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube.

06:01:35.520 Check it out, guys.

06:01:36.380 Check it out.

06:01:37.360 And, uh, he's my Caucasian.

06:01:39.320 What is that, like?

06:01:40.820 What do you mean?

06:01:41.340 Why do you always say that now?

06:01:43.220 He's my Caucasian.

06:01:45.820 Spencer's my Caucasian.

06:01:46.920 Nick's my Caucasian.

06:01:49.180 What is she?

06:01:49.940 Any white male.

06:01:50.480 I don't know if I could, actually, Madison, you're my Caucasian, too.

06:01:53.080 And Joe, back there, you're also my Caucasian.

06:01:55.180 But she's not Caucasian.

06:01:55.740 Is she Asian?

06:01:56.880 I'm not white.

06:01:58.040 She's, you're Asian.

06:01:59.160 No, I know, I know, but, like, for example, like, Joe.

06:02:02.500 Oh, boy.

06:02:03.120 Oh.

06:02:04.040 Oh, I see.

06:02:04.740 Like, I'm a white guy, right, Joe?

06:02:08.060 You could...

06:02:09.740 Like, your fellow Caucasian.

06:02:10.800 ...say that I'm your...

06:02:12.240 Oh, oh, I get you, I get you.

06:02:14.040 I get you.

06:02:14.460 Right, Joe?

06:02:14.760 Do you get it?

06:02:15.380 Yeah, I think I get it.

06:02:16.300 Am I your...

06:02:17.360 Do you want me to say it?

06:02:18.560 Because I have the...

06:02:19.680 Wait, are you going to...

06:02:20.620 You going to...

06:02:21.200 Nigga?

06:02:22.300 She can say it.

06:02:23.680 Is that what you were referring to?

06:02:25.580 I...

06:02:25.900 Huh?

06:02:26.380 Is that what you were referring to?

06:02:26.780 Yeah, like, you could be...

06:02:27.740 Even though you're not Caucasian, you could be my Caucasian.

06:02:30.780 Okay, I get it now.

06:02:31.560 Oh, yeah, I get you.

06:02:32.180 It's like the white version of that thing.

06:02:36.420 Okay.

06:02:37.040 Is that...

06:02:37.480 Is it?

06:02:37.760 Is it?

06:02:38.300 Is that, like, a cancel?

06:02:39.760 Can I get canceled for that?

06:02:40.720 I think it's fine.

06:02:41.160 No, not for Caucasian.

06:02:41.800 I just feel like we should talk about feminism again.

06:02:43.860 I couldn't think of a more politically correct thing to say than Caucasian.

06:02:46.720 My Caucasian.

06:02:47.380 My Caucasian.

06:02:48.380 I've never heard that.

06:02:48.940 He's my...

06:02:49.240 He's...

06:02:49.560 Andrew's my...

06:02:50.340 Andrew, am I your Caucasian?

06:02:53.200 Andrew?

06:02:53.720 Friend?

06:02:54.420 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

06:02:55.060 Hold on.

06:02:55.920 You're my Caucasian.

06:02:56.980 Why can't...

06:02:57.840 Can I say that, though?

06:02:59.220 Or can only you say that?

06:03:00.460 No, that would be...

06:03:01.460 You'd have to say her...

06:03:02.900 You can't say that shit.

06:03:03.780 She'd have to say, like, her thing.

06:03:04.880 Sorry.

06:03:05.480 Sorry, Madison.

06:03:07.400 What could Madison say, though?

06:03:09.700 My what?

06:03:10.700 I don't know.

06:03:11.760 Oh, wait.

06:03:12.120 Don't say it.

06:03:12.840 I don't know.

06:03:13.400 I really don't know.

06:03:15.640 Do you have a word in mind?

06:03:17.200 Wait.

06:03:17.400 Okay.

06:03:17.640 Anyways, thank you for...

06:03:19.440 Wait.

06:03:20.300 Actually, I probably...

06:03:21.360 What would it be?

06:03:22.700 No, no.

06:03:23.120 That's good.

06:03:23.620 I know what it would be.

06:03:25.420 It's not...

06:03:26.100 I don't know what it would be, but you can give me...

06:03:28.340 What is it rhyme with?

06:03:28.380 What's the first letter?

06:03:29.560 What's the first letter?

06:03:30.200 No, no, no, no, no.

06:03:30.920 Okay.

06:03:31.080 I'm going to wrap up the show.

06:03:32.180 I'm really curious.

06:03:33.400 Okay.

06:03:33.640 You can tell me after.

06:03:34.240 Okay.

06:03:34.260 07's...

06:03:35.320 07...

06:03:35.840 Wait.

06:03:36.160 We're forgetting something.

06:03:37.260 I swear we're forgetting something.

06:03:39.180 Kendall, just do it.

06:03:39.980 I don't know why, but...

06:03:40.880 Do you want our handles on Instagram so everybody can follow us?

06:03:44.240 That's...

06:03:44.640 Everything's in the description.

06:03:46.060 Okay.

06:03:46.380 07's in the chat.

06:03:47.360 Good night, guys.

06:03:48.080 Have a good night.

06:03:48.540 Have a good night.

Whatever Podcast - April 17, 2024

3 RUDE FERAL GIRLS KICKED OUT？! 1 RAGE QUIT？! Andrew Wilson! DEMON Feminist？! ｜ Dating Talk #153

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