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00:02:14.800 please tell us your name age occupation and where you're from go ahead uh hello my name is rosie

00:02:21.800 jean i go by quirky love rose on the internet i am 32 just had my birthday a couple weeks ago i am a

00:02:28.240 full-time patient care advocate for a specialty pharmacy specializing in oncology as well as a

00:02:34.240 part-time vlogger on youtube and just on social media hanging out okay welcome what i am hi my name

00:02:42.220 is farah kalidi i'm 24 years old um i'm a content creator on tiktok and instagram but my best content

00:02:48.080 is on onlyfans.com hi haram oh age sorry i missed that 20 24 24 okay my bad go ahead uh misty marie

00:03:00.220 i just had a birthday too and i'm an actress plus model and what else was the question name age

00:03:08.480 occupation and uh location where are you from oh i'm from seattle but i reside in la okay all right

00:03:15.000 hello my name is kimberly i'm 22 years old i'm a caregiver slash babysitter can i have you tilt

00:03:22.460 tilt your mic down a bit there i'm a caregiver slash baby sorry age 22 22 okay and i'm from indio

00:03:32.280 by coachella okay very cool uh my name is madison i'm 19 years old i'm from san diego california

00:03:39.940 i'm a full-time student at santa barbara city college studying business i work for the whatever

00:03:45.780 podcast and i'm a host at a bar the q phil 30 years old behavioral scientist certified relationship coach

00:03:52.920 youtuber influencer book author

00:03:54.900 uh mason gregoire um as always uh primarily a christ follower um i am a mechanical engineer

00:04:05.800 content creator uh competitive power lifter uh 27 years old all right welcome name is andrew wilson i'm

00:04:16.540 the host of the crucible um so i i guess i'm mostly a content creator now i also work um kind of in the

00:04:24.380 same type of field except in robotics um 39 years old happily married all right welcome everybody so

00:04:33.300 we're gonna go around the table once more what's everybody's current relationship status so are you

00:04:39.980 currently single talking stage situationship friends with benefits relationship married polycule sex cold

00:04:45.980 tarum if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever

00:04:51.460 been in go ahead all right so i am currently single by choice i've been single for two years after

00:04:59.680 exiting an eight-year-long relationship i spent the majority of my 20s in and so i've just been

00:05:06.480 choosing my own healing over relationships and i've been almost almost two years free of dating apps

00:05:13.580 two years free of dating apps and um your most recent relationship was the eight-year one is that

00:05:19.480 correct and that ended did you say how long ago so two years three years we ended ended it ended a

00:05:26.060 couple times but it ended ended oh it uh it ended ended about

00:05:30.240 june 2021 i believe okay yeah i think so what that's two two and a half years ago roughly yeah okay

00:05:39.240 got it okay cool cool cool um by the way do you want to do your reveal thing yeah i guess yeah

00:05:45.840 they wanted to be extra wonder here we go take the hat off my face yay do you want to pop your

00:05:55.260 glasses off too i don't know they they had this coordinated thing going on here they wanted to do

00:06:02.260 it that's what it was they called me stevie wonder last time because i wore a hat

00:06:05.360 i was like i'll wear my sunglasses in solidarity so it's a sunglasses solidarity there you go

00:06:11.340 far out why don't you take off yours while they're they they they're not corrected right

00:06:18.040 they're just like they're very real there's no lens so i'm single i've been single for about a year

00:06:24.100 and a half just um just fucking i'm single curve that answer curve that question i'm single and

00:06:32.060 fabstinent my longest relationship was three years and i've been single for a year and a half

00:06:36.580 single and fab fabstinent abstinent like fabulously abstinent yeah

00:06:41.460 okay good times i am also single i've been single for about four years now my longest relationship

00:06:49.620 was probably off and on like six seven years okay all right

00:06:57.400 i'm single i've been single for a year and a half and my longest relationship was two years

00:07:06.340 so you said single for a year and a half longest relationship two years okay i am not single i'm

00:07:14.600 in a relationship my current one is my longest relationship it's been about a year and three

00:07:19.000 months okay i'm single as in not married um i actively date uh longest relationship was three years

00:07:26.860 wait didn't you have like a uh a main chick last time you're on is that still involved with her

00:07:33.880 yeah okay all right yeah all right ride or die mason what about you uh currently single uh longest

00:07:43.180 relationship a year yeah any lady friends sliding into the dms after your last appearance uh a few

00:07:51.160 you know okay a couple and want to educate i suppose the panel and the people that are watching who

00:07:57.240 aren't familiar with you um tell us a little you know little details about your situation a little

00:08:02.720 details about my situation yeah so um i'm a virgin i'm sure that's what brian's trying to get out here

00:08:08.040 um yeah it's uh it's for religious reasons well i mean as a christian it's something i'm convicted of

00:08:16.860 i mean the bible speaks on it all the time so that's stance i take on that and uh i take it

00:08:23.940 seriously and more so that you're also you're waiting till marriage yes i'm also waiting till

00:08:29.080 marriage yeah that's more so what also exactly there you go yeah cool cool uh andrew what about

00:08:35.020 you i've been married for a long time okay long time long time gotcha and all right cool so uh

00:08:44.640 where do we begin um first i just wanted to say uh this panel is a little uh somewhat impromptu we

00:08:52.500 we had three other people that were scheduled to be on but they canceled a couple hours before the

00:08:58.660 show so unfortunately uh i got a statement from gabby too by the way she's got a text if you want me to

00:09:03.840 read it for you there's there's a statement yeah it's not against you it's just like her current

00:09:08.800 dating situation and oh yeah what do you mean what i thought it was an apology statement i might

00:09:14.220 accept i might accept an apology statement but not certainly not a certainly not a here are my

00:09:20.480 my dms are open she had to work she got booked on a on a paid gig and paid um oh what yeah that's

00:09:28.380 fucking bullshit that's bullshit she works you know she's modeling for nike now

00:09:33.080 yeah but we scheduled this with her like a month ago plus plus not only not because she was going

00:09:40.720 to be the ride for somebody else she didn't come either uh no i think i was going to be the ride

00:09:46.940 for that other person i think they you know she just kind of got the other girl maybe got nervous i

00:09:50.720 don't really know what happened with that because they were going to ride with me oh they were going

00:09:53.620 to ride with you i'm getting so many different i know the viewers probably are not privy to what i

00:09:59.160 what's going on here oh i don't know but but she said that she was going to ride with gabby so i'm

00:10:03.660 getting very different stories from from everybody i don't know so uh and you know what's crazy that

00:10:11.380 girl that was going to come with you shannon she asked specifically for me to make this panel

00:10:18.640 so because we were going to do a like a plus size panel that she was going to do it she didn't tell

00:10:24.200 me she was in i was um gonna come with gabby no uh i mean we and we're pretty thorough with our

00:10:30.720 reminders and check-ins and we sent her the last minute sometimes that can happen well yeah but

00:10:35.400 what shannon said shannon told me that she are you friends with shannon but she didn't tell me that

00:10:41.660 she had booked this with you shannon told me that she wasn't wasn't comfortable coming with you

00:10:46.840 oh i don't know yeah i'll literally read you the messages so somebody i i believe you frankly but i

00:10:53.640 think shannon is lying i don't uh gabby told me she had an emergency but you're telling me she had a

00:10:59.800 booked oh is shannon the other girl that was supposed to come i don't know her that's probably

00:11:04.600 why oh i thought you didn't know shannon no i was just going to be the ride she was like oh it's my

00:11:07.900 friend so that that could be okay everything's changing i thought you're talking about a different

00:11:11.600 shannon i didn't know that her name the other girl's name was shannon wait hold on let me just

00:11:14.760 let me look at hold on i'm just curious i'm gonna look yeah shannon uh

00:11:20.360 well in any case everything emergency she had to she had to go make money right yeah she told me

00:11:28.160 she had an emergency but she got a paid uh gig but then that domino effect resulted in and then we

00:11:36.140 had another person flake so it's just uh that's okay there's people that flake last time too and it

00:11:40.200 turned out really good did it though yeah did it did it though all right well it is what it is we're

00:11:46.320 we're gonna run with it um okay so it's it kind of throws my notes that i'd prepare it all because

00:11:54.300 you know i spent three hours yesterday in any case um we're doing it live folks okay so um where do we

00:12:02.100 begin uh oh i mean question so this originally was going to be a plus size panel uh so i want to ask

00:12:09.140 the plus size women here would you date uh a plus size man uh start starting with you uh maybe i

00:12:18.540 should i don't know if you i would you date women i do i do have a limit just not out of like not

00:12:27.260 finding people of certain sizes attractive but just frankly logistically like because i'm not just fat

00:12:34.380 i'm like fat fat and i'm very aware of that and um i just feel like i don't know there's this i just feel

00:12:42.560 like it's sometimes we're like the aspects of dating make it more difficult you're saying like if the

00:12:51.040 other person was it's like also was too heavy there would actually be logistical problems yeah i mean

00:12:57.560 are we talking like like sexually yes sexual yeah i mean like i'm just gonna keep it a hundred you

00:13:02.260 know what i mean like we appreciate that right that's exactly what it is so it's not

00:13:06.880 so it's like i mean like dad bods are awesome like plus size guys are great but like once it

00:13:13.620 gets to a certain point like if i lost more weight and i was dating someone who was heavier than it

00:13:19.060 would probably not be as difficult yeah could i have you tilt your microphone down just a tad

00:13:24.060 perfect like that that's perfect that's perfect yeah have you run into logistical problems like that

00:13:29.380 before i mean not that i could think of i mean i have a pretty great sex life when i'm having one

00:13:35.960 i'm just currently not is it theoretical logistical problems like you suspect like speculative you

00:13:42.800 haven't tried it with like a really big guy but you just anticipate do you anticipate that there would

00:13:48.660 be i mean basically uh okay okay so then um you the guy you're in an eight-year relationship was he

00:13:56.540 more like a dad bod type guy i mean they mean there were points in our relationship where he was

00:14:01.520 working out and he was he was in shape and then points where he had more of a dad bod yeah i mean

00:14:06.460 okay um i don't really i i mean i'm also like bisexual like queer so um for me um in the aspects of

00:14:16.420 dating yeah the like the attraction's important but i have many different types and i'm not

00:14:22.540 gotcha i'm very non-judgmental and open-minded so would you have the same logistical issues if it

00:14:28.200 was a girl i mean probably not no huh wait so um i guess to answer the original question though

00:14:39.160 um would you you date a plus size guy also or yeah okay i would just like because like

00:14:45.860 in the like categories there's like different categories for plus size people and what i'm

00:14:51.740 considered is like a super fat and so when you're just i'm just a lot heavier and what what are the

00:14:58.820 uh just because i'm curious and i don't know what are the different categories is it actually it's

00:15:03.980 like mid-size and there's another there's like something in between super fat and mid-size and i

00:15:11.780 just can't remember what it is and then above that is infinity fat and like yeah that's like

00:15:16.840 infinity fat yeah infinity i've never has anybody else heard i've never heard no wait that's a

00:15:23.920 new term for me infinity you're saying no infinity no infinity fat infinity infinity wait what is what

00:15:31.820 is infinity uh someone who's above a 6x wait infinity fat like at that point it's just stretch

00:15:39.020 so is that like an american 6x or is it like a japanese there's there's fatigories

00:15:44.000 is that what they're called fat i just googled it yeah and i searched that's like that's like

00:15:54.160 the terminology within fat acceptance movements yeah i've recently been speaking out against

00:15:58.460 my experiences and i was a part of the body positivity spaces since like 2013 yeah and um i

00:16:05.700 i i i had a tiktok that i was a part of from another podcast interview i did yeah that went

00:16:10.740 really viral and um that experience was was crazy but um that was like i that interview happened right

00:16:19.500 before i did a collaboration with obese to beast and um like right before i really have been i've been

00:16:27.220 on this trajectory like a like of a healing journey like mental health wise and now i'm like working a

00:16:31.880 lot more my physical health i'm from my highest i'm down like i think 60 or 80 pounds okay and um

00:16:38.180 actually like i i'm like i'm documenting all this on my youtube but i just got approved from

00:16:43.080 manjaro and i'm like starting that process and i left the fat acceptance movements like officially

00:16:48.040 a couple months back because oh you left yeah the fat acceptance movement yeah like what what is

00:16:54.180 there's a lot of problematic aspects to it but it did a lot of good for me in other parts of my life

00:16:58.880 and yeah like learning to love myself and accept myself okay because you have to be your own best

00:17:03.460 friend you know so you're trying you're trying to uh do you have a goal weight in mind or uh not

00:17:09.400 really my goal is to go horseback riding and ride roller coasters that's my goal okay what's the tip

00:17:15.060 does anybody know that i think the typical i don't know horseback i think it's like probably around

00:17:21.860 two two fifty i think it's two fifty yeah and so i pulled it up here the the the fatigories not

00:17:28.340 that's what they're called yeah it's not it's not rude yeah just i mean i don't want to get

00:17:34.100 canceled i prefer the term fat versus bullshit like chubby and fluffy and shit like that i like being

00:17:39.440 called chubby respectfully okay oh okay all right respectfully you know what i mean so hey per

00:17:45.460 person but also look at me i'm not chubby so and i know what i mean i pulled up the for for the the

00:17:52.940 fat spectrum there's small fats mid fats large fats super fats and infinity fats yes wow interesting

00:18:00.520 okay yes um is there incentives to stay in those categories is it like maybe if you're talking to

00:18:06.640 a feeder what's a feeder someone who will try to pay you to eat they like make they like they think

00:18:13.120 it's hot and they try to get you to eat and they like give you money for it yeah i'm an xof model

00:18:17.100 oh i left what does that mean uh i used to be on only fans and i was i used to be in those spaces

00:18:23.740 online i thought about farah collab in the works yeah let's do it uh she does yeah no i know yeah i

00:18:32.540 think i've actually seen your tiktoks like i said you look familiar and then you said i was like oh yeah

00:18:35.840 i think i've seen you on my free what was what was the tiktok that you said went viral for you

00:18:39.680 the world on the same podcast was it about the the incel oh actually the one that went viral

00:18:44.300 viral was me talking about being groomed into feederism by my stalker oh shit okay yeah that's

00:18:48.700 a whole thing um but i was i mean and the big misconception on the internet is that that's

00:18:55.580 what i blame my weight gain on which it wasn't i joined when i was already where they pretty

00:19:01.200 much want you to be um i don't have we had another clip from you pulled up but we don't have the one

00:19:07.280 about the the feeder thing okay so if you want yeah how long is that tiktok uh it's a it should

00:19:12.560 be only a minute it's a minute yeah do you want to just do you want to just tell us basically what

00:19:16.280 you say in the tip oh man it's been a while since i've watched it but i basically just talked

00:19:20.700 about like i just basically explained what feederism is and actually more specifically death

00:19:26.140 feederism which was like the hyper fixation of my stalker um maybe we just pull up the tiktok

00:19:31.500 yeah we're all insane is like her tiktok name what what should we oh wait she posted it on her

00:19:36.600 tiktok yeah that's what if you're able to look look that up for us it's called you we're all

00:19:41.320 insane yes her name is devora by the way she's amazing she gives uh people platforms to like

00:19:47.060 discuss on their like more serious topics like it's pretty heavy seem like a good i've watched some

00:19:51.880 of it yeah she just kind of sits back and lets you talk and is she in la uh no maryland actually

00:19:57.180 maryland yeah yeah yeah out in the sticks yeah well i flew up there for that and it was a really

00:20:03.240 great experience she's so warm and welcoming i love her gotcha while nick gets that pulled up yeah

00:20:08.600 oh you think you got it

00:20:09.840 the insult one or the other one okay hi my name is rosie and i was groomed into feederism

00:20:19.100 feederism is a kink like a sexual kink regarding feeding someone generally for the purpose of them

00:20:25.660 being fat or getting fat or gaining weight there's a big umbrella when it comes to feederism and the

00:20:31.840 thing about this guy is i think he was into what's called death feederism and death feederism is what

00:20:36.760 it sounds like it's feeding someone to the point of getting so fat and so big that they die

00:20:42.440 that's is that like the movie seven yes yeah yeah wait where do you see that at where's seven where

00:20:50.500 can you watch that yeah that's brad brad pitt i think there was a scene in the movie where

00:20:55.960 they made a this it was like a serial killer guy made him eat made a dude eat himself to death i

00:21:02.860 mean that's the like that's incredible that's like the torturous like darkest like twistedest

00:21:09.240 yeah oh yeah the most dramatized that's a little bit extreme right and this that that's the point

00:21:14.300 like death feederism is the most extreme version of it but really it's like the accumulation of like

00:21:20.980 what the smaller parts of it that seem more innocent more incestuous and that was the relation

00:21:25.600 your eight year was that no oh okay i had a stalker it was the same timeline and it's a long story i

00:21:32.260 won't be bothered getting into here because i'd be dominating conversation but i just have one

00:21:36.440 question how do you know the difference between the person who wants you to die from feederism

00:21:40.000 and the regular feederism don't doesn't it all that seems like they all would want you to die

00:21:43.600 that's a great question and uh yes and no yeah because most of them just don't care about whether

00:21:49.040 or not you're gonna die because they're getting the rocks off um so that's not an aspect to them

00:21:54.380 some of them are turned on by the extremity and the uh i guess the control of some sort yeah it is and

00:22:05.360 i mean what a lot of people present it as is like it's like being nurtured and cared for but what it

00:22:12.440 is is it's actually like the toxic version of that because the real incentive is um there's aspects of

00:22:19.940 it where some were and it's not i'm not speaking for everyone because some people especially in the

00:22:24.660 community hate me because i talk about my experiences and how i really feel about it now since i've left it

00:22:29.980 um but they like worst parts within that sphere it's like trying to hold someone down or um because

00:22:40.520 of society's perception of women's bodies they see it as like a oh like other men won't find her

00:22:46.700 attractive it's like you know the incentive of being immobilized or whatever is like about control

00:22:54.000 and that's for the worst and the darkest parts of it but unfortunately it's very prevalent in like

00:22:59.300 the um communities i'm not going to say the name of the website for several reasons but there's a

00:23:04.440 specific website where like you really see it in extremity and the the community within feederism

00:23:12.060 allows people to really just kind of sit in their their like you know what's the word i'm looking for

00:23:21.560 um like it's a lot on my head but basically like

00:23:27.320 well i have a question yeah sorry that's totally totally fine um so how you said the guy who was

00:23:37.560 trying to feed you to the point where you could potentially croak well well what i said did you

00:23:43.620 date did you date that guy or he was like my stalker so i met them i met my ex and my stalker within

00:23:48.960 three days of each other um we met offline and i really quickly realized i wasn't into the other

00:23:54.360 guy and wanted to start to the other guy he blackmailed me he um basically made it to where

00:24:03.840 like i couldn't remove him from my socials or he showed me like his abilities to clone phone numbers

00:24:09.780 um like hack people like it was insane stuff and so i'm just giving you the really brief version

00:24:16.500 yeah how long ago was this so um i met them some i think at some point in 2012 2013

00:24:23.460 and um i met them separately and i was very and it was basically one of those things where i was

00:24:30.400 just like talking to people to potentially date and said it's a stalker i picked who i wanted to

00:24:35.820 date who wasn't the stalker yeah and then the stalker um i mean in in uh 2021 was when he like

00:24:44.720 hacked my cash app and cloned my phone number and did a whole bunch of stuff because he played the

00:24:48.480 long game when i finally blocked him that's when he he kept his word to me is he still um i scared

00:24:54.720 him off because i got background checks i got his information the police didn't help me so i let him

00:24:59.400 know i was gonna blow his life up if he didn't leave me alone well sorry to hear you went through that

00:25:02.440 that's uh how was he um how was he grooming you into feederism i'm gonna be careful what i say

00:25:09.760 because of how the topics go i talk about this in detail on that podcast but essentially um

00:25:16.260 in the coercion of things that happened i was forced to meet him in person when i didn't want to

00:25:22.340 because i had family in a city where he lived okay and if i didn't things were gonna transpire yeah we

00:25:28.200 don't need to we don't need to go but anyway basically it might yeah exactly so but that

00:25:34.620 scenario had something happen related to the topic and then in the conversations where i was forced to

00:25:40.680 talk to him and i and i knew that i could not talk to him he continued those conversations and the

00:25:47.620 negging and several other things that the man knew i was yeah and we can definitely try to revisit it

00:25:53.660 um i just want to get misty in here um so would you date a uh plus-size guy um i have once okay are

00:26:04.980 you attracted to plus-size guys i'm attracted to intelligent guys who have active lifestyles

00:26:12.320 who will treat me like a princess doesn't really answer the question though because i don't really

00:26:18.180 believe that it's going to be like you know like i could say no and then someone could there's someone

00:26:23.500 could like change my mind and so then i was wrong well do you remember like for example last episode

00:26:27.680 we had i forgot her name uh what was her name the girl that was sitting there do you recall i'm not

00:26:33.860 the name girl but she was really sweet yeah sweet girl but she said um that she doesn't she's also

00:26:38.220 plus-size and she's like not attracted to overweight plus-size guys uh so yeah that what she was talking

00:26:47.140 about was was more of a self-esteem issue she said she didn't want to be like that so she thought

00:26:51.260 that that was going to lift her up and like make her something yeah for me um i don't i don't know i

00:26:56.860 just when you say you could change your mind doesn't that infer that right now though you wouldn't

00:27:03.600 um it would depend on the person it really would it would depend on the person um the dates that i've

00:27:10.600 gone and recently haven't been so uh like if it was just in a vacuum just their looks so i mean

00:27:19.760 obviously if you meet somebody online you're probably going to like ask them a couple questions

00:27:24.180 to figure out do i like this person but so i guess just looks wise would you be attracted to someone

00:27:31.300 who's plus size it really would depend it really really would depend it really would um genuinely

00:27:36.320 generally i'm attracted to like athletic toward built um my exes i've all been pretty athletic and

00:27:43.620 the guys i'm talking to now are athletic so but that's also because i'm i was an athlete growing up

00:27:50.260 and so i was always very active um i was also chubby then but um so that's just part of my lifestyle so i

00:27:56.400 think that's probably what i'm around like what i see at the gym or so i guess it would have to be

00:28:01.380 like so i just tell me if this is a fair assumption so you probably say that you're not

00:28:08.660 inherently attracted to plus size guys but you would be attracted to the other things that they

00:28:14.680 would be able to offer so like say they depend though it really would because there's plus size

00:28:19.560 men that are really really attractive well can i can i take a stab at this maybe so assume that you

00:28:25.240 had two men and they all had the same personality traits that you just loved but one was super fit and

00:28:30.640 one was not right if you had to choose one of those even though their personality traits you

00:28:36.820 loved loved them the same which one would you choose who has the bigger

00:28:39.680 who's got the okay they have the same size dick i guess the one who could go longer

00:28:46.880 no okay they both go the same length well then i guess it wouldn't matter can i have them both

00:28:52.220 no you just get one which one would you pick i don't know that i would i don't know like that's

00:28:57.060 for me that's the what ifs are so crazy but like i don't know like right because i'd have to have it

00:29:01.880 happen and like in what world would that happen well i mean it doesn't need to map onto reality

00:29:07.000 it's just testing it's just testing the preference right yeah so but i just i couldn't tell you like

00:29:12.740 i would really it would have to happen for me to be like yes for sure because life and i'm a strict

00:29:17.500 believer in like universe and everything happens for a reason has so many times shown me the exact

00:29:22.380 opposite of something i thought that i don't i'm not going to claim to be like oh no not this

00:29:26.800 huh um so i mean and to be fair i mean i've also changed men's mind about they don't want to date a

00:29:34.260 plus girl and they're like but i'm into you so i'm i'm i don't know i just you love those looks brian

00:29:40.580 well i don't know what you're talking about uh okay so the answer sounds like a no you can call

00:29:48.700 what you want to call it i'm i'm not not into it it just it depends avoiding saying no are you on

00:29:53.360 dating apps i am on dating apps so the people that you're swiping right on are they would you say that

00:29:58.520 they're i would say i'm looking at how tall they are um what is their job and what is their like

00:30:04.020 pictures showing um i've swiped yes to both yeah yeah especially if they look like if they say things

00:30:13.760 that are gonna make me like feel good like you know i'm i'm a nice guy i don't know what they

00:30:18.420 would say but something something that would make me be like oh he seems cool she got a paid gig

00:30:25.800 she got a paid gig and she knows it hours before the show sorry i'm just still caught up on that

00:30:35.720 inspector gadget over here like wouldn't you and she she got a paid gig on a sunday i know that she

00:30:42.320 loves you so much though sorry i'm just salty about this um i i'm still confused about the

00:30:48.620 inspector gadget yeah that was that got me because he's trying to like make his wheels turn to try to

00:30:53.280 figure something out you guys never watched inspector gadget no i watched you know in advance if there's

00:30:57.820 a paid gig so and how many gigs are on like sundays like oh man i would say like sherlock holmes

00:31:04.940 okay that would have been cool too yeah usually like say inspector gadget because there's gadgets

00:31:09.940 involved exactly because like arm pops off that comes to my mind wait so were you uh your answer

00:31:17.440 to the would you date a plus size guy yeah yeah okay and fuck it we'll just ask the whole table

00:31:23.360 would you date a plus size guy yes okay i is there any room for this is it too tight yeah okay that's

00:31:31.520 fine that's fine just go ahead um i have like a limit like i like dad bods okay i like dad you

00:31:39.460 like dad bods all right truthfully no what if so you're currently dating frankie right what if frankie

00:31:46.280 just like i went to chow town and just i would never let him get to that point what if he what do you

00:31:52.360 mean frankie's a giga chad alpha male what do you mean you wouldn't let him get to the point he's just

00:31:58.000 like i don't care what you have to say madison i'm gonna eat chick-fil-a every day frankie are you

00:32:02.820 listening bro just start eating a bunch of pizza no i'm like what if frankie just started putting

00:32:08.760 down the pizzas i feel like frankie's gonna date him but still i would never let him get to that point

00:32:14.260 what do you mean let him what if he just did what if he just started i'm the person that feeds him

00:32:18.820 i'm the person that cooks for him you cook for him okay i'm not gonna oh yeah you guys live

00:32:22.840 together right yeah um what if he was like behind your back when you went to work he like had a

00:32:30.840 bunch of snacks and shit and you didn't know about it he does eat a lot he just has an issue with

00:32:36.760 gaining a lot of weight so it's not even like i have to put him on my diet there you go yeah

00:32:41.160 i'm getting a little chubby i'm getting a little chubby but uh okay all right so uh but if he got

00:32:47.820 what let's say just he happened to you know he had like some storage unit somewhere and during the

00:32:53.480 day he would just run to the storage unit and chow down that's fair yeah maybe i would think about

00:32:58.320 it okay all right uh what and asking the men here would you guys date a plus-sized woman

00:33:04.560 no no no no never what about thick girl depends on how you define thick thick is very different

00:33:17.120 yeah it depends on how you define thick okay i mean i like a good waist to hit ratio i like a

00:33:22.860 little bit of i like thick thighs i guess you could say um i need a little bit of recoil but

00:33:28.240 not recoil yeah i need a little bit of recoil okay i need a little bit of recoil back shots gotta look

00:33:33.560 crazy um but in terms of like the midsection like arm flap things like that i'm not attracted to that

00:33:43.040 so okay um mason what about you yeah um uh yeah i probably wouldn't i mean like what if she was a

00:33:53.560 what if she was like a christian virgin though well that's what the girl was last time she she was a

00:34:00.780 virgin member yeah and she was christian so also this would have been perfect a match made in heaven

00:34:07.200 so like i don't know the way i kind of look at it so i mean gluttony in the bible is defined as a sin

00:34:17.900 and it's not just like it's not gluttony just in the sense of eating a ton of food it's like also

00:34:24.360 partaking in other things too much so but it can pertain to food so in that sense it would be like

00:34:30.540 so you're you have the sin of gluttony but then you take it all the way to its final stage which is

00:34:36.800 being overweight um so i would say it's a heart issue but also there is like it is like an illness

00:34:45.300 or disease so like there are there are mental things that uh play into being overweight that have

00:34:53.760 to be taken into account it's not just as simple as eat less and exercise more i mean it is as simple

00:34:59.460 as that but it's not as simple as that because if you did those things you would lose weight but at

00:35:04.940 the same time you have to take into account the psychological effects so i understand that but

00:35:09.380 then so i see it as like a sin issue i also have a pretty active lifestyle i want someone to be able

00:35:15.260 to do stuff with me someone who takes care of their body that's a high priority for them because

00:35:19.320 it's high priority for me it's also just what i find attractive so it's just all of those things

00:35:24.360 kind of put together so if they had like some sort of illness that predisposes them to be obese so

00:35:28.660 they're not sinning they're not being gluttonous maybe they consume less calories than you would you

00:35:32.520 take that into account or are you still just not attracted to it so okay

00:35:35.860 what it's impossible to be in a caloric deficit and gain weight so if they're eating in a caloric

00:35:47.480 deficit it is a physical impossibility to gain weight so is that true i'm pretty sure you could

00:35:54.560 just have a super low metabolism that's that's well so that's caloric deficit means that you are

00:36:01.920 eating less than your body is using so you you in order to be in a caloric deficit you have to be

00:36:09.740 using more than you're consuming it's like if you're if you it's like saying that i could if i put

00:36:16.960 less gas in my car than it needs to actually make a trip that it could make that trip that's impossible

00:36:22.300 right so maybe they're not in a caloric deficit but they're also not being gluttonous is my point

00:36:25.960 well so if they are overweight and say they're just in a maintenance stage like they're maintaining

00:36:33.940 their weight but if they are overweight it's also in the bible we're called to steward things well

00:36:41.980 steward things wisely our health as well as our finances all of our resources whatever so i want

00:36:47.700 them to steward their health well as well so if there are plenty of uh negatives to being overweight

00:36:55.800 in the area of health and i would want them to work with me so that we can hopefully get that down

00:37:02.480 because i want them to be around with me for a very long time i want them to see my like our grandkids

00:37:08.040 maybe great grandkids that'd be pretty sweet but yeah i think being overweight would limit their

00:37:15.140 ability to do so okay so you'd feel like equal repulsion to someone who's also like unhealthily

00:37:20.240 underweight exactly yeah okay and if you were married to a woman and she birthed your child and

00:37:24.620 then you know she had some trouble pushing off the weight afterwards would you be lenient with her

00:37:29.400 oh yeah of course i mean would you consider her gluttonous for maybe like spending a few years

00:37:34.160 i don't know just enjoying her mommy weight well so i don't know well if she's i i would want her to

00:37:41.120 probably maintain her active lifestyle so like uh there's a lot of research that's been done into

00:37:46.880 so people or women who have uh as they're pregnant studies into is it safe for them to exercise while

00:37:55.940 pregnant uh i know in the power lifting world so squat bench and deadlift uh it is perfectly safe to

00:38:02.880 maintain your habits in the gym as long as there's like no discomfort like if it's it's painful okay

00:38:10.020 maybe we'll like change the exercise selection but it's safe to maintain physical activity while pregnant

00:38:15.720 and then afterward like of course i'm not gonna like dump my wife if she gains a little weight after

00:38:21.780 she's pregnant like i'm gonna try to work with her on that because i love her more than just like

00:38:28.360 her physical appearance and i appreciate you saying um the aspect about the uh you know it being

00:38:36.340 mental and not just down to caloric because like that's the mechanics of it but the entire compassing

00:38:42.760 issue especially i mean like i for me specifically it is far more complicated than just um eating less

00:38:51.340 because i mean i do i have multiple eating disorders i have multiple uh chronic illnesses and invisible

00:38:57.580 disability i mean i'm i'm considered disabled with the diagnosis that i have and that's not my weight

00:39:04.560 outside of my weight i'm yeah and whale underscore whale underscore whale donated two hundred dollars

00:39:11.680 my sprinkler goes like this

00:39:13.780 that's really funny

00:39:20.860 thank you thank you that's good two hundred dollars make it longer next time just to say that

00:39:33.320 do a beat so we can rap to it whale whale whale all right we have uh brady beard here brian i don't

00:39:40.180 even know what to say lol you're really you've really outdone yourself with this panel from maddie

00:39:43.600 to the left it's nice to see you all uh based christ is lord okay there you have it thank you

00:39:49.980 whoops hold on just one sec um well you're married so i don't know if it's that's fine i'll speak to it

00:39:57.820 my wife put on some weight after she's had many children so yeah she put on some weight took her a few

00:40:04.240 years to burn it off now i might just have different preferences because i didn't know i just didn't

00:40:09.120 even really notice it very much um that's just me personally right but it could be that frog in the

00:40:16.120 boiler effect where just because it happened gradually over time i just didn't really pay

00:40:20.700 much attention to it but then she burned most of it off so you know i just didn't didn't think much

00:40:26.860 about it honestly there you go folks are you the same just out of curiosity as you were

00:40:31.680 are you the same as you yeah i haven't really fluctuated much in weight my whole life okay not

00:40:38.340 much how about you brian would you date a plus-sized lady would you date a plus-sized woman

00:40:46.580 if they have a big labia

00:40:49.860 plus size labia the biggest one you've ever seen

00:40:56.100 the biggest one i've ever seen like yeah how plus size are we talking do all plus-sized women

00:41:02.160 have plus-sized no that's no no that's not how that works that's like asking about a guy's

00:41:07.820 you know sometimes it's not maybe i give it a chance you know okay yeah it's gotta be you change

00:41:17.220 your tune a little from last time last time you were like hell no we won't go

00:41:20.380 i mean i'm still pretty much on that oh well i don't know that's not what the people just heard

00:41:25.520 my being a hypocrite i don't know uh not a hypocrite but who knows you threw in the caveat of she has

00:41:33.240 like for example if if she was also like a billionaire and she's like brian let me just

00:41:37.840 retire you marry you without a prenup i might have to go for it you might you'd be like yes mommy

00:41:45.920 take me stop oprah any billionaire are you kidding what's the lifestyle like

00:41:51.160 you gotta wear a collar be on your knees uphold my whoa okay no no no i ain't doing no you're not

00:41:58.660 gonna do that that's the thing you won't do for your bill for a billionaire yeah no no no he's got

00:42:04.580 pride i can't like be a what what's that called a sub or whatever i don't know i couldn't be a sub

00:42:10.500 maybe you're just for i don't know for that i don't know chat would you guys do it would you uh

00:42:16.180 like let's say you you run into a billionaire woman who will retire you so let's say you're a

00:42:21.340 bricklayer making i don't know 70 000 a year i don't know maybe more maybe less and you don't have

00:42:27.420 to do that back back breaking work anymore but no but she wants to three times a week walk you

00:42:36.820 around a collar on the house around the house that's gonna be a yes yes for me i don't think so

00:42:42.160 i don't think so uh okay what'd you say you were into last time what if it's shorter asian

00:42:48.940 you said short chubby asian ladies you said you kind of like i could i could see you're the big lady

00:42:53.380 i think she's gonna walk you a little chubby i can do a little chubby but like i don't know if i

00:42:58.080 could date no no hate or anything just my personal preference i don't think i could

00:43:02.780 date like a plus size plus size woman a little belly fat that's okay a little chubby

00:43:09.400 yeah i can i can do it i don't know why i'm talking like tony soprano now

00:43:16.480 but that's how inspector gadget talks exactly

00:43:20.400 i like inspector gadget it's my kind of go-to you're right there's no hate on inspector gadget

00:43:26.380 aren't you are you a singer oh god it sounds like i do but no oh okay i can like hum pretty

00:43:31.900 fiercely i was gonna see if you could sing the inspector gadget theme

00:43:34.240 inspector gadget do do do do do do do do

00:43:37.520 nice i can already tell that i don't like you

00:43:41.340 okay i like you i missed the whole go gadget go part

00:43:45.520 go gadget go

00:43:47.140 wait oh okay we got it so okay we got we got single single single

00:43:54.120 single single relationship and then single single single okay good um so you said you've been

00:44:01.460 single for two years correct yes about about so okay and by choice by choice um are you said you

00:44:10.080 used to do of are you still doing it or not i used to do it well i used to so before i actually made

00:44:15.860 an of i did like i i've always compared it to like the high-end escorting version of virtual content

00:44:26.520 creation where i just kept like a google drive and i would only sell privately through me for like

00:44:32.260 i and i wouldn't go below a certain monetary number like you had to spend a minimum this much and you

00:44:38.860 would get what you paid for but um i didn't have streaming services like of or any clip sites

00:44:45.280 because i had had some issues with people on the internet in the past and so um i just felt it felt

00:44:53.680 safer even though it's technically not but i did eventually create an of and then um not long after

00:44:59.780 that i left because i left those communities like entirely right well so uh you've been single by

00:45:07.240 choice for two years but in that two-year period i mean have you been maybe you didn't have a

00:45:11.840 boyfriend but were you dating any situationships friends with benefits anything like that or no

00:45:16.520 i mean i have like a couple like you got a roster long-standing like situationships if they come to

00:45:23.120 like fly to see me okay um and it's like one of them i saw like in february just because life's busy

00:45:30.980 you know they have like a high-paying like important jobs so yeah i always i used to see them

00:45:37.000 like more regularly but eventually just kind of like fizzled out because i used to also live

00:45:41.760 closer to them so that changed things too okay so you you it sounds like you have currently a couple

00:45:49.260 ongoing yeah like if we talk we talk and like with so good terms and yeah um in the past you know

00:45:57.320 a couple years especially i've just been more hyper focused on myself and like i want to have like

00:46:05.000 a long-standing committed relationship that's my goal whatever that looks like and um i also have

00:46:11.700 just kind of realized that like the frivolous dating the like dating app games the meeting for

00:46:17.920 coffee and like um going on dates every other week life is just not what i want i want something a lot

00:46:24.320 more like real and emotion based and the current dating field and dating game just grosses me out

00:46:31.860 and it's just um it's just something that i don't want to put a ton of energy into and it's just like

00:46:40.400 people like playing games or whatever you mean you know how it is i know how it is yeah it's i know

00:46:46.020 it's terrible if you've ever been on a dating app you know what it's like you got tinder you got

00:46:50.800 bumble hinge all these apps farmers only christian mingle these apps you know maybe have you tried

00:46:57.500 that one mason um so when's the last time you were on a date recently any recent you know prospects or

00:47:05.600 not so much not recent but i did go on dates like once i moved to florida so i moved to florida

00:47:11.000 when was that in october of 2021 okay and so my initial thought process was kind of like

00:47:18.580 um getting under someone to get over them and i did that for like a month or two and then i was

00:47:23.100 like i'm out this is this is dumb like wait get get under under someone to get over oh yeah like i

00:47:28.700 had that mindset and then i realized that like that's that's not healthy and you said that lasted

00:47:36.460 for like a month a month period a month a couple months like because i i was like um facebook dating

00:47:43.500 and bumble specifically and so how frequently were you going on dates during that period um sometimes

00:47:49.040 it was like two a weekend sometimes it was like every other week it just kind of depends i mean i um

00:47:56.220 i was i think i was working a part-time job at that point because i was still kind of recovering

00:48:02.340 from some stuff yeah i like took a break from working for a little bit and and so how long um

00:48:07.760 so you said you were going on a couple days um you said get under someone to get over someone

00:48:13.460 so we're talking kind of like just casual hookups type stuff well you like the first couple times yes

00:48:20.040 like because the first guy i met up with um he had a really weird name his name i don't want to say

00:48:28.000 it but it was it was it was fish fish his name was fish fish dead ass like his legal name like the

00:48:36.100 animal his legal name i mean i did did i ask for an id no but that he went by fish and i was like

00:48:43.320 yeah like it's just fish was he pescatarian by chance we didn't get to know each other that well

00:48:49.540 i was still emotionally very unavailable at that point so pescatarians don't eat fish yeah yeah

00:48:55.240 yeah that's correct that is correct oh they only he's a seventh day adventist okay yes wait so

00:49:02.880 question for the ladies related to fish here if you were dating a guy named fish would that make

00:49:10.360 dirty talk a little difficult oh fish yes yeah feels so good no by the time that's happening i

00:49:19.680 probably like you a lot i'm probably used to your weird name so i'm probably gonna have fun with it

00:49:23.300 if i if i was dating a girl named fish i would have to change her name i'd have to call her like f dog

00:49:29.060 is that better that's yeah i think it would be better i think it'd be better why oh f dogs better

00:49:39.660 than oh fish i don't know i don't know i don't know okay i didn't think it through i didn't fully think

00:49:44.860 it through um wait so okay his the first guy was named fish and uh any uh any other you know

00:49:55.100 situations um i think the most and this is just thinking to this isn't even when i was dating in

00:50:00.460 georgia but um because we my ex and i we broke up for nine months yeah like four or five years

00:50:06.420 under the relationship and um that was a time but in florida i think the most notable date because

00:50:15.500 like i went on like a couple ones like with dinner dates whatever um especially like because like my

00:50:22.140 first couple dates i was just kind of like like i said that was my mentality and then i was like i'm

00:50:26.520 out and then i started trying to do like more like structured dating like actually trying to find

00:50:31.800 something serious yeah and then i was like oh i'm not ready so that's when i backed out i was like

00:50:36.100 because i'm not you backed out totally yeah that's when i quit dating apps i've been it's been about a

00:50:41.020 year at least a year and a half i don't see i just one day out of the blue decided to quit dating apps

00:50:46.400 and i didn't even realize it that i was going to make it a thing for a couple months so i don't know

00:50:50.960 i don't remember the exact pinpointed time right but i know it for sure a year and a half and um

00:50:57.240 but the other one was when i went out with uh a guy with one leg damn yeah i dating in florida is

00:51:05.560 weird amputee yeah yeah dating in florida is weird that's the problem it's where i live

00:51:10.080 and i was like i'm out where are you meeting guys if you're not using dating apps at the time i was

00:51:16.640 using them and that's this was so those were my stories before i quit because i decided i didn't

00:51:22.360 just quit dating apps i quit dating period and i did some like light talking phases but nothing

00:51:27.680 stuck and i've only been like feeling like in the past couple months that i might even be ready to

00:51:33.760 start dating again i've just been i've been flirting with the idea of downloading the apps again but i just

00:51:38.080 haven't like during your uh get under someone phase how many people did you get under in florida a

00:51:49.360 couple a couple a couple one leg guy was one of them yes you got under one leg go

00:51:54.720 talk about logistics well yeah did that create logistical problems actually it made it easier

00:52:02.960 oh easier i could kind of see that me too i can it's one less lip yeah but how did he get leverage

00:52:12.960 there's ways when he crawled on top of you when there's a will there's a way he probably he has

00:52:21.720 a uh what's it called a prosthetic yeah right no he didn't no she mean like one leg oh okay

00:52:28.120 no i mean i mean at least during he didn't wait so not two legs then

00:52:31.760 i kind of i would date an amputee i mean me too that's what i'm saying it was it was chill

00:52:39.960 well it's easier for us again i was just so emotionally like not available have you have

00:52:45.400 you been with no i'm just saying like in in hypothetically logistically no yeah it's easier

00:52:51.640 for us yeah today that's today an amputee then amputee date yeah because yeah i would i would go

00:53:00.840 for a w double amputee oh my god whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa nick jesus christ this guy's gonna get me

00:53:07.880 fucking canceled over it's not even on the show okay um like would it have to be a configuration

00:53:12.580 though could it be like both arms or both legs or does it have to be one leg and one arm

00:53:17.520 i'd want double leg that's what he was meaning i'd want double leg amputee okay what do you object

00:53:26.360 to my sexual preferences hello not at all go for the gold please don't discriminate against people

00:53:33.020 who are disabled would never begin i don't know with you brian ableism that's very ableist of you

00:53:37.280 to ladies he's screaming your name if you have missing two legs brian wants you yeah i'll accept one

00:53:44.500 missing leg because i'm a nice guy yeah it's only because you'll be under four feet two i'd prefer

00:53:49.720 two missing legs but i'll do so that's you know i want so she can't run away brian

00:53:56.180 i couldn't help it i couldn't help

00:54:01.380 he set me up for that one man good talk um wait so okay um

00:54:08.100 now and right now you're not dating at all pretty much you're just kind of doing your own thing well

00:54:13.000 like i said i've been like before you you reached out i was i i started like about a month prior i was

00:54:19.900 like thinking about it realizing i feel like i'm ready but i've just been like dealing with a lot

00:54:24.840 of other stuff and i've i've other things that are higher priority to me and i'm really kind of

00:54:29.480 subscribed to the belief that like what's meant to be will be and i'm not trying to force anything i'm

00:54:34.780 not i'm not desperate for a relationship i would much rather be single and die alone than being an

00:54:41.380 unfulfilled unhappy or abusive relationship and so for me it's like the right person the right

00:54:47.640 connection will come if it's meant to be and and i feel like you have you've got riz so like

00:54:53.520 thank you if you wanted to do you think you could like pretty quickly like get a new guy

00:54:58.960 i know that if i didn't give a shit about the quality of the relationship i could get a boyfriend

00:55:03.600 in five seconds in five seconds i i do and people if you want to think i'm delusional no i mean not

00:55:09.460 you just people people people in general want to think i'm delusional i know that they're wrong and

00:55:14.700 they live in a very like binary understanding of love and attraction and they're not willing to see

00:55:22.380 things like outside of a different perspective so people who are like committed to misunderstanding me

00:55:28.580 or the plus love experience i have no interest in debating the validity of my right to have love

00:55:36.400 did you uh after your kind of you've had some viral moments recently did you get uh a lot of

00:55:43.020 uh people dming you like with a romantic interest like they wanted to not to sound not to sound cocky

00:55:49.500 but that's that's that's something that continually happens and so yeah i just don't take it seriously

00:55:54.600 unless i think it's like because i have standards i have things that i want and things that are

00:55:58.980 important to me and like attraction is important and and also just other certain things so i believe that

00:56:08.340 both people should mutually be super excited to be together and if that's not there then i'm not

00:56:13.840 interested i see and you mentioned uh you've got standards what do you consider yourself picky

00:56:18.740 yes and no i feel like i just know what i want and i'm not going to settle for something that i find

00:56:30.120 boring or uninteresting or not the right fit yeah and you mentioned you you kind of know what you're

00:56:35.840 looking for you've got standards so i'm just curious like kind of what what are your standards what are

00:56:41.500 you looking for and we're going to go around the table uh for everybody on this what are you looking

00:56:45.820 for what are your standards if there's any like uh trying to think of the term here uh must-haves you

00:56:54.120 know some people have the bare minimums you know height wise income stuff like that personality traits

00:57:02.380 for me personality traits are the biggest for me it's like i want us to have similar moral compasses

00:57:09.060 um i you know i'm an ex-mormon so i'm not really interested in being with someone who's like super

00:57:16.620 religious of any capacity because and like that's like i respect other people's beliefs but my lived

00:57:23.500 experience i think that would be difficult for like a committed relationship so when you say moral

00:57:28.360 compass you mean a lack of moral compass no i mean um i'm a very spiritual person and i

00:57:35.580 have my own i'm sorry i didn't mean it as an insult i know i know if you bring up you say

00:57:40.560 this person x was hyper religious right so yeah so you don't want that quality so if that's not the

00:57:47.920 quality that you want then it seems like you're looking for an absence of of okay so what what

00:57:54.020 would be the morals you're talking about what i'm looking for is someone who has a moral compass

00:57:59.100 that's driven by the desire to do good and be good without needing um someone telling them to be

00:58:07.600 that way because you can be an atheist and be the most kind philanthropic person but that does not mean

00:58:15.560 that you can be hyper religious and not be evil yeah yeah i agree but does that mean you're looking for

00:58:21.820 an atheist no um i mean just someone who's not hyper religious if they're christian but they're not

00:58:28.020 hyper religious i would be fine with that they were spiritual they were jewish they were atheist

00:58:34.820 ethnostic when you say this sorry to just kind of want to dive in on this a little bit when you say

00:58:40.860 not hyper religious what does that mean like they don't go to church every sunday or fanatical or i

00:58:46.620 mean um if they went to church every sunday but they weren't trying to convert me that'd be fine as

00:58:52.060 long as i wasn't forced to go to church like so to me it's just so you don't so what it is is you

00:58:58.600 don't want a partner to uh move their morality towards you that's or expect me to align with

00:59:05.700 their religious beliefs because i believe we're just beliefs and moralities do not have to be

00:59:11.380 intrinsically tied even if they are for a lot of people okay so you're not looking really for a person

00:59:17.420 who shares your morals but just a person who won't force their morals on you correct but i would want

00:59:23.420 them to have a certain level of right but just like not a serial killer that type of thing but i'm just

00:59:29.280 not necessarily like boxing on like they they need to be christian they need to be this okay they need

00:59:33.540 to you know what about height height i mean i i have a preference sure but well i'll tell you i mean i

00:59:40.680 prefer like you know i'm five six so um six and up is like perfect but um i dated someone for a really

00:59:50.180 long time who was five nine that was great for me okay um but yeah just a little bit taller than me

00:59:54.660 is my bare minimum preference but um i would date someone if everything else was perfect and they

01:00:01.120 were shorter than me like being short's not a deal breaker okay um faro what about you what do you uh

01:00:09.320 what you're looking for um i don't care too much about height builder physique i do want someone

01:00:14.340 with super high sexual discipline so a guy who has a low body count preferably since i am waiting to

01:00:20.440 marry and i prefer a guy or no this is a deal breaker i wouldn't date a guy who grid one motorsports

01:00:27.340 donated two hundred dollars when the only thing you can bring to a relationship is being fat

01:00:33.060 selling your fatness online and ebbing on disability how much of a moral compass can you possibly have

01:00:39.300 if you think my fatness is a negative quality that's not my problem i'm not here to please

01:00:51.620 anybody i'm here to be me share my story i am employed i do a lot and i'm disabled and if you're

01:00:59.700 disabled and unemployed that's okay too the bottom line is what i choose to do with myself and my

01:01:08.300 my interactions with other people defines who i am and i really just i am not interested in people

01:01:16.360 who are committed and misunderstanding me yeah all right uh we'll come back to you fara uh also let's

01:01:22.900 just uh just uh let's avoid any sort of name calling if we can with the uh chat and the uh tts guys

01:01:32.420 thank you go ahead yeah high sexual discipline um i wouldn't date a guy who watches porn or goes to

01:01:37.260 strip clubs or anything like that and ideally wait you wouldn't date a guy who watches porn nope but

01:01:41.940 you yep to of yep is that a seems like maybe a double standard no it's not i could be a college

01:01:49.320 professor but not date students i could work at a soup kitchen and not date a homeless guy just

01:01:52.660 because i monetize off a demographic doesn't mean i have to date them well let's get into this let's get

01:01:56.700 so let's start with why do you prefer that they not watch porn um because it affects pair bonding

01:02:04.480 and it desensitizes you to your partner it can lead to erectile dysfunction all those things if you

01:02:08.860 were responsible for causing those things in a man would you be doing an immoral action

01:02:12.880 um potentially and are you participating in doing those immoral actions to men no just because i think

01:02:21.720 maybe you're less of a good romantic partner that doesn't mean you're less of a moral person i don't

01:02:25.460 know that's not my question i don't think you would be a good husband for me doesn't mean i'm

01:02:28.360 deeming you degenerate or a bad person you just said that all of those are bad qualities that you

01:02:33.880 said that not objectively bad for me personally what i'm looking for is okay finish you said that any

01:02:42.400 a person who was causing those problems in men would be doing something immoral no i didn't say that

01:02:47.560 so is it if is if a person's contributing to causing that in men are they doing something immoral

01:02:52.780 so if i'm a lesbian and i only want to date women don't ask me a question don't ask me a question

01:02:57.000 answer my question no i'm giving i'm explaining to you okay listen listen don't ask is this

01:03:02.740 inconsistent i'm gonna ask you a question if i'm a lesbian and i only want to date women yeah as

01:03:07.180 soon as i make only fans content for men is that inconsistent answer my question i think she's

01:03:11.300 trying to no she's asking me no he's evading my point asking a question is not answering my

01:03:16.320 question then i'll answer your question has no bearing on this then answer it what was your

01:03:20.080 question okay one more time since you tried everything to avoid it if you contribute to

01:03:25.660 those same problems that is are against your preference in a mate okay those same issues

01:03:30.940 are you doing something immoral nope no same way like i just said if i'm a lesbian who puts out

01:03:36.220 pornographic content for men to consume it's not inconsistent or wrong for me to only date women

01:03:40.400 i can have a preference for someone while monetizing of an entirely different demographic

01:03:44.320 doesn't mean i'm doing something wrong so am i doing something wrong for indulging straight

01:03:49.080 yeah i think you want to date women i think you are i think that you're creating a contribution

01:03:53.220 towards the immorality and you know it's immoral because i don't think it's immoral to be

01:03:57.320 heterosexual and i'd be indulging heterosexuality while personally being homosexual your preference

01:04:01.460 alone is against it why is your preference against it isn't there why would sexual orientation be

01:04:07.200 against it no answer my question why is it why i was a lesbian and i want to date women but i put

01:04:12.180 out pornographic content that indulges heterosexual men is that inconsistent or am i contributing well all of

01:04:16.800 that literally all of that would be immoral i would say that that's still an immoral thing whether

01:04:21.120 or not it is but not for the reason that you whether or not you're being inconsistent there i

01:04:25.120 didn't make an inconsistency argument i asked you about whether or not it's moral you said if i don't

01:04:29.460 want to date a certain pool that i'm contributing to does that mean i'm creating a problem no i'm just

01:04:33.140 asking is it immoral for you to contribute to that at all no it's not it's not immoral for me to

01:04:39.580 contribute to traits which i personally would not date no that's not my question my question is is it

01:04:44.940 immoral for you to be contributing towards those traits like um the negative side effects in men

01:04:51.440 is that immoral to do no because not everyone has the same goals as i do not everyone's waiting

01:04:55.380 to have sex until they're married some people view sex and relationships completely disparately than i

01:04:59.500 do so but why wouldn't you those are all negative side effects you'd agree with that right it depends

01:05:04.940 on some people i know a lot of women who don't want to get married i know a lot of men who don't

01:05:08.020 want to get married either the side effects of like ed things like this well that side effect

01:05:12.060 doesn't happen to everybody either i'm not saying it does i think it depends if certain men want to

01:05:15.840 live a hedonistic lifestyle i'm not going to deem them immoral for i think people have totally

01:05:19.000 different purposes that's not my question again it was and i answered it my question specifically was

01:05:23.320 if you contribute towards that why that's harmful isn't it and isn't that the standard you use for

01:05:28.960 morality congruent to their goals if their goal is to be a hedonist then that's fine but their goal is

01:05:32.640 not my goal okay but here's their goal is to jack off to as many girls as possible before they die

01:05:37.220 they can go because if if it's hedonism right you still have a harm principle so even if a person

01:05:42.460 is doing a thing and they say i'm going to do this thing because i don't care about the harm

01:05:47.160 you are still supposed to care about the harm that you cause right no no you're not because they have

01:05:54.560 a totally different moral rubric than i do if their goal is to fuck as many girls as possible

01:05:58.280 because they think that makes them more alpha or male male who cares what their moral rubric is

01:06:02.520 you're the consequentialist what so you are supposed to care about the harm you do i'm not

01:06:08.660 a consequentialist we've been over this so many times oh what are you again i said i was a moral

01:06:12.100 absolutist you're a moral absolutist yeah probably more that than a utilitarian is that are you shaking

01:06:18.360 your head you're not a subjectivist you're not no you're not a moral absolutist ridiculous yeah what

01:06:23.360 is that um it means like you're not necessarily looking at the consequence of an action to deem its

01:06:28.280 morality my point is people have totally different goals okay so is porn always wrong no absolutely

01:06:35.120 not okay is it always right no moral moral absolutist you would if it was moral if it was

01:06:41.860 a moral absolute it would either be always right or always wrong that's not true it varies give me

01:06:46.620 an example of a moral absolute that's not yes or no right or wrong i would love to with porn for

01:06:51.260 example porn will disaffect your relationship if one partner is okay with it and one is it not that

01:06:55.660 will affect cheating and compatibility if both partners are proponents of pornography consumption

01:06:59.960 that will actually increase your sexual intimacy with each other what does that do with anything

01:07:03.000 i just said my point is you're looking for like a black or white answer is because you're an

01:07:06.460 absolute what do you think absolute means

01:07:09.080 you don't know what absolute i know absolute means well what is it moral absolute i think you're

01:07:16.900 being obtuse now i think you're intentionally evading what do you think absolute means no answer my

01:07:22.520 question what do you think absolute means uh definite finite finite finite and definite at

01:07:28.360 the same time at the same time that's what you think absolute means absolute means definite what do

01:07:35.120 you think a moral absolutist is it means you have certain moral principles that you think take

01:07:40.000 precedence over the consequences of those actions and you want to be a proponent for those moral

01:07:44.640 principles even if there is an increase in harm over help okay so it's not about consequences

01:07:50.180 what it's not about consequences for you at all it's not about consequences about looking at the

01:07:56.680 fact that people have different aims if a certain man wants to prioritize his sexual pornography

01:08:01.720 consumption over getting married because he personally doesn't think getting married is a net good for

01:08:05.580 him who am i to say that's wrong and i'm contributing to a problem are they ask a single question

01:08:10.300 right you would agree with me that the like age of consent's arbitrary right would i agree with you

01:08:17.320 is this tos brian no okay the aoc the aoc is arbitrary right is it arbitrary yeah um not really

01:08:29.060 then give me the moral imperative for it real quick the moral absolute statement for that

01:08:35.520 the molar imperative would be that it's generally wrong to um oh it's generally wrong it's not based

01:08:41.400 on the consequence though what it's not based on the consequence this is an absolute so why should

01:08:46.260 the aoc absolutely be x age it's not it varies why should it be you're a moral absolutist i don't

01:08:53.680 even know if i would subscribe to that you wouldn't subscribe to your own worldview i don't even know

01:08:58.360 if i would subscribe that there is a certain age of age of consent because it varies by state

01:09:01.860 so you're not an absolutist then you're evading from my hope you're not an absolute you said that

01:09:08.180 it's hypocritical and it's inconsistent and it's kind of immoral i'm contributing to a moral problem

01:09:12.280 to put out his question was whether or not there was a contingency between a double standard i asked

01:09:19.760 you about the morality of a thing yes and you said i'm creating a problem by contributing to traits

01:09:24.380 that i personally would not date yeah and now i'm now i'm inside of your worldview and now i'm trying

01:09:29.200 to figure out the analogy i created between that and me being a lesbian and wanting to date women i'll

01:09:33.420 explain it but not wanting to date straight men yeah i can explain it because if the foundation of

01:09:37.560 your worldview on it on its own is incorrect then i don't care about the rest of what you even just

01:09:42.400 had to say if the foundation of what you're saying makes no sense at all it makes perfect sense any

01:09:47.840 claims that you make past that are not even relevant so explain to me how you're moral tell

01:09:53.200 me what a moral absolutist even is i don't even know what this has to do with anything your rebuttal

01:09:57.340 to me you're just running was that because i don't want to date certain traits that i may contribute to

01:10:01.360 that i'm being hypocritical and i'm creating some moral problem and then i give you a perfect analogy

01:10:05.140 if i was a homosexual woman and i dated women but i contribute to indulging heterosexual male

01:10:09.280 pornography consumption is that wrong and you have yet to address that i don't need to

01:10:13.560 why can't you why can't you i'm going to explain it to you if the underlying foundation for which

01:10:18.700 that current worldview you just explained stop talking far it's my turn far it's my turn far

01:10:23.180 then it means that i'm being hypocritical my turn far calm down stop spurging stop spurging and listen

01:10:27.880 let's wait let's not use that word let's not use that it's probably probably to us spurging's not

01:10:31.540 against tos is that no so you can tell me so listen if you have a foundation for an ethical

01:10:37.700 system and then you tell me a thing that you ought or ought not do and i find out that your ethical

01:10:42.040 system itself is inconsistent you don't even know what it is why would i ever listen to a word you

01:10:46.900 had to say about ought because this is your chronic evasion of every point is when i give you a perfect

01:10:51.400 analogy and see see this will make you concede on your rebuttal then you're like oh now explain to

01:10:55.640 me from a b to c your exact moral worldview yeah why is that a problem because then we're going to

01:11:01.680 go all the way backwards and you're like let's talk about where rights come from let's talk about

01:11:04.560 where duties come from let's talk about let's talk about the foundation of the things you believe

01:11:07.720 isn't that crazy how is the universe started let's talk about that right that's your like go-to

01:11:11.860 all the time are you going to answer to what a moral absolutes are you going to answer my initial

01:11:16.000 question which is why was that a false analogy between me being a lesbian content creator i'll just

01:11:20.220 concede the whole argument there for the purpose of you don't concede actually give me an answer

01:11:23.800 answering this question i just conceded for the purpose of the argument what's a moral

01:11:27.320 absolute argument what's a moral absolute no no i just conceded for the purpose of the argument

01:11:31.800 for the purpose of the why not

01:11:33.360 genuinely i can't i'm sorry i can't test your consistency by conceding the argument just for

01:11:41.760 the purpose of testing the worldview that's not okay and you created a rebuttal and then i gave a

01:11:45.900 perfect rebuttal and yeah and i'll just concede it for the sake of argument yeah i'll just concede

01:11:49.520 ethics come from.

01:11:50.020 I'll just concede

01:11:50.520 it for the sake of argument.

01:11:51.160 What's a moral absolutist?

01:11:51.600 It's fine.

01:11:51.860 Every word in the dictionary

01:11:52.720 for me.

01:11:53.120 I'll just concede it.

01:11:53.420 Enough for the sake

01:11:54.160 of the argument.

01:11:54.760 I'm genuinely asking you

01:11:55.840 why is it a false analogy?

01:11:57.000 Yeah, I'm just conceding

01:11:57.820 it for the sake of argument.

01:11:58.660 But he keeps saying

01:11:59.120 for the sake of the argument.

01:12:00.120 Can we get back to what

01:12:00.860 because I need to know.

01:12:02.420 You know, I'm not interested

01:12:02.900 in talking about

01:12:03.520 how the world started.

01:12:03.540 You're not interested

01:12:03.960 in talking about

01:12:04.740 the foundations

01:12:05.380 of your own ethical system.

01:12:06.820 Ethical system?

01:12:07.560 We're talking about

01:12:07.920 sexual and romantic preferences.

01:12:09.600 But why would I care

01:12:10.320 what your preferences are

01:12:11.400 if you can't give me

01:12:12.700 any type of ID

01:12:13.960 for why it's ethical

01:12:14.820 or unethical?

01:12:15.520 So I should just never talk

01:12:16.720 if I can't flesh out to you

01:12:17.760 how the universe started.

01:12:18.740 You should never make

01:12:19.220 an ought claim.

01:12:19.580 Where rights come from.

01:12:20.560 You should never make

01:12:21.200 an ought claim

01:12:21.840 unless you can say

01:12:22.880 you ought to do this

01:12:23.820 based on this way.

01:12:24.900 You made the ought claim.

01:12:25.040 Wait, wait, let him go.

01:12:26.140 Let him talk.

01:12:26.820 You cannot say,

01:12:28.300 Andrew, you ought to do this.

01:12:29.560 And when I say

01:12:30.160 why ought I do that?

01:12:31.260 You go, I don't fucking know

01:12:32.320 because I don't really

01:12:33.300 feel like you should.

01:12:34.120 That's so funny

01:12:34.680 because you're the one

01:12:35.340 who made the ought claim.

01:12:36.240 I said I wouldn't date a guy

01:12:37.400 who watches porn.

01:12:38.400 What an ought claim did I make?

01:12:39.200 You said then you ought

01:12:40.300 not to contribute

01:12:40.880 to that problem

01:12:41.500 if you don't want to date

01:12:42.040 a guy who watches porn.

01:12:42.440 No, I asked you

01:12:43.220 if you should.

01:12:44.720 Yeah, so you created

01:12:45.500 the ought claim.

01:12:46.340 No, I'm asking you

01:12:47.940 from your worldview.

01:12:48.500 It's completely consistent.

01:12:49.120 If you'd like to know

01:12:49.900 my worldview,

01:12:51.280 yes, it's all total degeneracy.

01:12:52.960 I hate it all.

01:12:53.480 I think it's all immoral.

01:12:54.900 What's a moral absolutist?

01:12:55.920 Now, can you answer the question?

01:12:56.880 My point was

01:12:57.460 You're still not going

01:12:57.960 to answer the question.

01:12:58.420 I just answered your question.

01:12:59.620 That doesn't mean

01:12:59.960 I think it's morally wrong.

01:13:01.820 Okay?

01:13:02.320 Answer the question.

01:13:03.060 What's a moral absolutist?

01:13:04.420 A moral absolutist

01:13:05.400 is someone who has

01:13:06.080 certain moral principles

01:13:07.000 that they think

01:13:07.700 take priority

01:13:08.280 over the consequences

01:13:09.100 of those actions

01:13:10.000 and they think

01:13:10.740 those should be honored

01:13:11.500 with precedence

01:13:12.400 over a utilitarian worldview.

01:13:14.520 So, why is it then

01:13:16.240 that you're giving me

01:13:16.940 an argument

01:13:17.480 from the consequence?

01:13:19.520 How did I?

01:13:20.560 Because you're saying

01:13:21.480 AB check,

01:13:24.000 thank you for the gift

01:13:24.400 of 20 memberships.

01:13:25.180 Go ahead, Andrew.

01:13:25.920 You're saying

01:13:26.360 Okay.

01:13:27.520 So what you're saying here is

01:13:28.900 I didn't even give you

01:13:29.500 a consequence.

01:13:30.240 You say pornography

01:13:31.340 not immoral, right?

01:13:35.240 Not necessarily, yeah.

01:13:36.520 Not necessarily

01:13:37.400 but if we try to discover

01:13:39.060 why it's not

01:13:40.000 the reason that you say

01:13:41.500 the reason it's not

01:13:42.500 always immoral

01:13:43.400 is because there's

01:13:44.300 some consequences

01:13:45.200 that I think

01:13:46.520 are better than

01:13:47.420 other consequences.

01:13:48.640 That's why.

01:13:50.080 Even then,

01:13:50.920 it has nothing to do

01:13:51.580 with morality.

01:13:52.420 It would for an absolutist.

01:13:54.120 If I prefer a partner

01:13:55.420 who's six foot over 5'10",

01:13:57.000 and I'm preferring

01:13:58.080 the consequence

01:13:58.600 of their height,

01:13:59.220 that doesn't mean

01:13:59.580 I think 5'10 men

01:14:00.460 are immoral.

01:14:01.540 Unless you're in that.

01:14:02.020 Or there's something

01:14:02.480 morally wrong

01:14:03.120 with being short.

01:14:03.920 You wouldn't say

01:14:04.680 I'm a moral absolutist.

01:14:06.380 I believe that

01:14:07.200 this X thing

01:14:08.000 is absolutely

01:14:08.680 always immoral

01:14:09.580 except in the case

01:14:11.080 of the consequences.

01:14:12.080 Why are we conflating

01:14:12.720 romantic preferences

01:14:13.580 with a moral rubric?

01:14:15.520 Because it's an odd claim.

01:14:18.120 No, it's not.

01:14:19.020 Yeah, it is.

01:14:19.780 Same way if I said

01:14:20.560 I prefer a tall guy

01:14:21.380 over a short guy,

01:14:22.200 that's not me saying

01:14:22.980 oh, then it's bad

01:14:24.680 for me to contribute

01:14:25.880 to something

01:14:26.280 that decreases height

01:14:27.320 in men.

01:14:27.820 Yeah, but that would

01:14:28.420 be a preference.

01:14:29.160 In this particular case,

01:14:29.980 you're not talking

01:14:30.280 about a preference.

01:14:31.280 I'm asking you

01:14:31.860 about the morality

01:14:32.520 of a thing.

01:14:33.020 Same way again

01:14:33.960 if I could be

01:14:34.420 indulging heterosexual men

01:14:35.820 while being a lesbian.

01:14:37.200 We can go back and forth.

01:14:38.280 Okay, fine.

01:14:39.080 So we'll just do

01:14:39.740 you think it's moral

01:14:40.780 because your preference is

01:14:41.680 and I think it's moral

01:14:42.320 because my preference is

01:14:43.060 but you're a moral absolutist.

01:14:44.380 I didn't say moral.

01:14:45.140 I literally said

01:14:45.720 morality has no bearing

01:14:47.100 on my romantic preferences

01:14:48.500 in this instance.

01:14:49.360 You're the one bringing up

01:14:50.000 morality for no reason.

01:14:50.900 Then if we're just

01:14:51.120 talking about preferences,

01:14:52.500 what are we even talking about?

01:14:53.440 I can like a guy

01:14:53.700 who's a certain race

01:14:54.000 or a certain height

01:14:54.680 and that doesn't mean

01:14:55.140 I'm claiming

01:14:55.580 other men are immoral.

01:14:57.180 Then Farah.

01:14:58.060 If I prefer women

01:14:58.960 as a woman

01:14:59.420 am I calling men immoral?

01:15:00.800 If all we're talking about

01:15:01.760 is I like water

01:15:02.780 and you like lemons

01:15:03.840 then why

01:15:05.700 if we're making

01:15:06.620 the discussion

01:15:07.240 about these things

01:15:08.440 which are going on

01:15:09.540 inside of consistency issues

01:15:12.360 things like this

01:15:13.060 like he was talking about

01:15:14.680 or you claiming

01:15:15.520 you're a moral absolutist

01:15:16.540 things like this

01:15:17.280 we're now outside

01:15:18.240 the realm of preference.

01:15:20.080 We're now into the realm

01:15:20.980 of Farah's worldview.

01:15:22.880 So I'm trying to figure out

01:15:23.660 We're talking about

01:15:23.680 romantic preferences

01:15:24.380 and I'm saying

01:15:24.900 why does romantic preferences

01:15:26.120 even fall within

01:15:27.080 the world view of morality?

01:15:28.380 Because what if you're romantic

01:15:29.360 If I prefer a guy

01:15:30.160 with a big dick

01:15:30.940 over a small dick

01:15:31.660 does that mean

01:15:31.960 I think guys with small dicks

01:15:33.040 are immoral?

01:15:33.320 I'll tell you

01:15:34.320 because what if you're

01:15:35.260 what if you indulge

01:15:37.180 in your preferences

01:15:37.860 and they're actually

01:15:38.620 against your own morality?

01:15:40.800 Then are you doing

01:15:41.500 something immoral

01:15:42.100 by following that preference?

01:15:43.340 Right and I'm saying

01:15:43.940 I'm not deeming those guys

01:15:45.180 who watch porn

01:15:45.820 or go to strip clubs

01:15:46.440 immoral.

01:15:47.080 I'm saying for what

01:15:47.640 I'm seeking

01:15:48.140 in a romantic relationship

01:15:49.120 those are not traits

01:15:49.860 that would be preferable

01:15:50.580 to my goals.

01:15:50.760 You're saying

01:15:51.280 they're not immoral

01:15:52.240 and I'm trying to show you

01:15:54.160 that I think you think

01:15:55.340 that either A

01:15:57.320 you're right

01:15:58.260 and they're not immoral

01:15:59.260 and you're a consequentialist

01:16:00.800 or

01:16:01.240 I don't think it's immoral

01:16:02.780 I would be friends

01:16:03.440 with guys who watch porn

01:16:04.360 if I actually thought

01:16:04.940 it was immoral

01:16:05.480 and I thought it was

01:16:06.020 like akin to an actual

01:16:06.980 moral wrongdoing

01:16:07.800 like murder

01:16:08.380 or the R word

01:16:09.760 then I wouldn't be friends

01:16:10.460 with those people

01:16:11.060 I wouldn't be friends

01:16:11.720 with girls and guys

01:16:12.280 who watch porn

01:16:12.700 or go to the strip clubs.

01:16:13.880 How do you determine

01:16:14.740 whether something's

01:16:15.540 morally positive

01:16:16.480 or negative?

01:16:18.320 It would be

01:16:18.880 case by case

01:16:19.580 I can't flesh out

01:16:20.280 a perfect moral system

01:16:21.260 would it be based

01:16:21.940 on the consequences

01:16:22.840 of that action?

01:16:23.760 I'm asking you

01:16:24.140 what does morality

01:16:24.840 have to do

01:16:25.300 with a romantic preference?

01:16:26.500 Don't

01:16:26.660 don't

01:16:26.920 so

01:16:27.100 okay

01:16:27.420 hang on

01:16:27.800 listen

01:16:28.400 that's a bait and switch

01:16:29.340 it's not

01:16:30.260 this whole question arose

01:16:31.380 because he asked my references

01:16:32.740 when I ask you a question

01:16:33.460 you answer

01:16:34.580 with a question

01:16:35.560 what he asked you

01:16:36.700 specifically

01:16:37.360 is how do you know

01:16:38.360 something you're doing

01:16:39.020 is moral or immoral?

01:16:41.040 I don't know

01:16:41.680 I don't have

01:16:42.300 I don't have a

01:16:43.040 pure moral framework

01:16:44.180 at this time

01:16:44.540 so you're not

01:16:45.040 a moral absolutist

01:16:46.140 no shit

01:16:46.640 I said I probably

01:16:47.360 there you go

01:16:48.000 you're a consequentialist

01:16:49.040 you're a consequentialist

01:16:50.120 are those the two options?

01:16:51.860 you took murder

01:16:52.820 and you take

01:16:54.060 all of these other things

01:16:55.060 based on the consequences

01:16:56.420 of what happens

01:16:57.200 in that scenario

01:16:58.240 so murder

01:16:58.940 people who are anti-murder

01:17:00.940 are just consequentialists?

01:17:02.200 I'm pretty sure

01:17:02.680 moral absolutism

01:17:03.380 is also against murder

01:17:04.400 wait for it

01:17:04.840 just let them finish

01:17:05.440 so if you commit murder

01:17:06.540 the consequence

01:17:07.340 is negative

01:17:08.120 because you take

01:17:08.820 someone's life

01:17:09.580 you take human life

01:17:10.520 so that's a consequence

01:17:11.500 so you're looking

01:17:12.600 at the consequence

01:17:13.220 and you determine

01:17:13.860 it's bad

01:17:14.380 you don't take

01:17:15.300 you're not pulling

01:17:16.700 from objective standard

01:17:17.780 you're taking

01:17:18.660 your interpretation

01:17:19.340 of the consequence

01:17:20.140 and then in conflating

01:17:21.500 that with negativity

01:17:22.420 if you think

01:17:22.940 moral absolutists

01:17:23.680 wouldn't object

01:17:24.080 to murder

01:17:24.460 you're deranged

01:17:25.120 then tell us

01:17:26.280 what your standard is

01:17:27.280 for why someone

01:17:29.040 should be against murder

01:17:29.780 that doesn't fit

01:17:30.380 the consequences

01:17:30.900 framework

01:17:31.460 for your standard

01:17:32.580 of what your morality

01:17:33.360 is based on

01:17:33.920 I don't even know

01:17:34.400 why we're talking

01:17:34.820 about morality

01:17:35.440 I know that you don't know

01:17:36.560 but now why

01:17:37.000 you're using this

01:17:37.340 as an evasion

01:17:37.940 because you don't want

01:17:38.340 to concede on the point

01:17:39.100 that my preference

01:17:39.700 is completely consistent

01:17:40.700 no you're not saying

01:17:41.780 I don't know

01:17:42.240 why we're talking

01:17:43.040 about morality

01:17:43.540 you're saying

01:17:43.940 I don't know

01:17:44.340 the answer

01:17:44.640 to your fucking question

01:17:45.520 yeah I don't have

01:17:46.540 an answer

01:17:46.880 for what is your

01:17:47.900 perfect moral framework

01:17:48.860 when I write a book

01:17:49.860 right now

01:17:50.000 so your moral framework

01:17:50.700 is based on something

01:17:51.560 you don't even know

01:17:52.200 don't even know

01:17:53.580 yeah you don't even know

01:17:54.280 people write 300 pages

01:17:55.440 to flesh out their morality

01:17:56.300 they can't give you

01:17:56.820 a two sentence quip

01:17:57.820 on the whatever podcast

01:17:58.780 they can

01:17:58.820 no they can

01:18:00.120 yes they can

01:18:00.760 you say the foundation

01:18:01.680 no because if I asked you

01:18:02.660 you'd probably say like

01:18:03.480 oh I subscribe to Christianity

01:18:04.780 but then you'd probably

01:18:05.660 have some exceptions to that

01:18:07.040 and you could maybe

01:18:08.060 flesh those out

01:18:08.940 by giving me

01:18:09.460 an internal critique

01:18:10.200 which I'm fine with

01:18:11.100 because I follow

01:18:11.700 Christian ethics

01:18:12.340 which is exactly

01:18:13.020 what I'm doing to you

01:18:13.740 I'm guessing you get to explain

01:18:14.120 how any of this pertains

01:18:15.180 to my romantic preferences

01:18:16.200 so you just told me

01:18:17.000 you said I have a world view

01:18:18.000 I can't justify my world view

01:18:19.220 I don't even know

01:18:19.740 how I came to the world view

01:18:20.640 I don't even know

01:18:21.220 what my standard is

01:18:21.920 for morality

01:18:22.440 but this thing over here

01:18:23.740 that's not immoral

01:18:24.700 what the fuck

01:18:25.580 are you talking about

01:18:26.480 I'm saying how does morality

01:18:27.880 can you explain to me

01:18:28.520 why morality even pertains

01:18:29.760 to this conversation

01:18:30.640 of romantic preferences

01:18:31.760 because if we're talking

01:18:33.700 about pornography

01:18:34.540 we're coming at it

01:18:35.280 from two different standards

01:18:36.220 I'm saying that

01:18:36.880 the standard is immoral

01:18:37.880 you're saying

01:18:38.260 the standard is moral

01:18:39.160 I'm saying I'm going

01:18:39.920 to justify my morality

01:18:40.940 you say you can't

01:18:41.640 justify your morality

01:18:42.480 I want people to listen

01:18:43.560 to the guy

01:18:44.060 who can justify their morality

01:18:45.260 and not to the person

01:18:47.040 who absolutely can't

01:18:48.060 here's my two sentence

01:18:48.920 cute little answer

01:18:49.740 I think generally

01:18:50.440 people should aim

01:18:51.160 to self-actualize

01:18:52.160 and genuinely

01:18:52.600 they should like

01:18:53.220 seek to fulfill

01:18:54.200 their autonomy

01:18:54.780 so if someone has

01:18:55.760 a certain goal

01:18:56.280 for themselves

01:18:56.640 that generally

01:18:57.280 is not harming

01:18:57.900 someone else

01:18:58.460 and for instance

01:18:58.980 like they want to

01:18:59.520 fuck as many people

01:19:00.160 as possible

01:19:00.560 what does self-actualize mean

01:19:01.940 you know

01:19:03.820 live up to their potential

01:19:04.980 I don't know

01:19:05.420 if that's congruent

01:19:06.140 with a Christian framework

01:19:07.060 I don't even know

01:19:07.960 what that means

01:19:08.480 I mean all this

01:19:08.800 is consequence based

01:19:09.820 it's dependent

01:19:10.460 upon the outcome

01:19:11.280 that's not true

01:19:12.280 it is though

01:19:13.100 what is it dependent on

01:19:14.240 self-actualizing is

01:19:14.700 consequentialist based

01:19:15.920 I think you can

01:19:16.660 self-actualize

01:19:17.380 and maybe have nothing

01:19:18.140 to show for it

01:19:18.760 at the end of the day

01:19:19.160 but I think

01:19:19.620 absolutists

01:19:20.440 would still look at

01:19:20.860 the effort

01:19:21.160 and the intention

01:19:21.880 that's literally

01:19:22.240 what an absolutist is

01:19:23.080 they look at

01:19:23.500 the intention behind the action

01:19:24.380 you're just saying

01:19:24.980 you're just giving him

01:19:26.080 preferences

01:19:26.320 you're just talking about

01:19:27.100 the absence of negative outcomes

01:19:29.640 so I mean

01:19:30.860 it is consequentialism

01:19:32.000 it doesn't make it a consequentialist

01:19:32.740 just because it also happens

01:19:33.780 to overlap with consequentialism

01:19:35.120 I'm asking for the standard

01:19:36.360 and you're just giving us preferences

01:19:37.700 let me ask you

01:19:37.960 why is it that

01:19:38.980 my romantic preference

01:19:39.840 has anything to do with morality

01:19:40.880 or why is it inconsistent

01:19:41.760 I know it sounds bad

01:19:43.240 to say I do OF

01:19:43.900 but I wouldn't date a guy

01:19:44.600 who does X, Y, and Z

01:19:45.460 but genuinely flesh it out

01:19:46.740 because right now

01:19:47.200 it just sounds like

01:19:47.600 you guys have an unjustified

01:19:48.740 visceral reaction

01:19:49.440 to the fact that

01:19:50.060 I sound like a hypocrite

01:19:50.880 you can actually flesh it out

01:19:51.960 okay so let me flesh it out

01:19:53.220 for you one more time

01:19:53.640 flesh it out without just asking

01:19:54.660 oh right

01:19:55.060 give me a two seconds

01:19:56.180 moral framework

01:19:56.840 I'm not even going to

01:19:57.800 ask you a question

01:19:58.820 I'm just literally

01:19:59.660 going to flesh it out for you

01:20:00.540 if I ask you

01:20:01.040 why you wear a blue shirt

01:20:01.820 over red

01:20:02.420 and then you said

01:20:03.040 I just prefer blue

01:20:03.860 when I say okay

01:20:04.560 then it's immoral

01:20:05.240 to wear red

01:20:05.780 then why is mine not a preference

01:20:06.700 you would have to make

01:20:07.500 a justification for that

01:20:08.640 what do you mean

01:20:09.560 unless you're saying

01:20:10.300 that your entire moral framework

01:20:11.440 is just a preference

01:20:12.280 so if you were to say

01:20:12.940 I look better in a blue shirt

01:20:14.120 than a red shirt

01:20:14.800 and I were to say

01:20:15.620 oh dude

01:20:16.300 then you're selfishly motivated

01:20:17.740 why are you only interested

01:20:18.820 in what you like

01:20:19.460 maybe you should survey the panel

01:20:20.640 if you can make a good argument

01:20:21.500 and find out

01:20:21.940 what we prefer looking at

01:20:23.080 because we're the one

01:20:23.640 who's going to have to stare at you

01:20:24.520 for four hours

01:20:25.080 but wouldn't you say

01:20:25.680 that's kind of a weird rebuttal

01:20:26.840 to why you chose

01:20:27.680 a blue shirt over a red shirt

01:20:28.780 is that your argument

01:20:29.640 I'm showing you how ridiculous

01:20:30.880 you sound

01:20:31.220 no my argument's not ridiculous

01:20:32.400 it's completely ridiculous

01:20:33.760 then stop talking

01:20:34.660 let me make my argument

01:20:36.700 sequence of preferences

01:20:37.640 you're saying

01:20:38.120 Andrew

01:20:38.480 why did your preference

01:20:39.800 to do this thing

01:20:40.720 which you have a preference to do

01:20:41.960 that nobody considers immoral

01:20:43.200 including you and I

01:20:44.180 why did you do that thing

01:20:45.420 I say well

01:20:46.020 because it's a preference

01:20:46.740 you go oh okay

01:20:47.800 makes sense

01:20:48.580 it's a preference

01:20:49.440 all you're giving us

01:20:50.760 right this second

01:20:51.420 for the entire standard

01:20:52.660 for your entire morality

01:20:54.160 is your preference

01:20:55.720 not morality

01:20:56.980 I'm saying my romantic standards

01:20:58.460 are more akin to

01:20:59.180 why you chose

01:20:59.700 a signature over another

01:21:00.620 almost done

01:21:01.140 you let these male guests blow you

01:21:03.240 but if I talk

01:21:03.720 for more than two seconds

01:21:04.520 no lie

01:21:04.880 seriously

01:21:05.380 she's been all

01:21:06.180 oh it's so unfair

01:21:08.120 disrespectfully

01:21:08.960 he always stops her for you

01:21:10.600 and never stops you guys

01:21:11.960 for her ever

01:21:12.800 well because

01:21:13.660 this is with the male audience

01:21:14.900 okay continue

01:21:15.280 oh I'm sorry

01:21:15.740 you know what

01:21:16.300 Farah

01:21:17.020 I know I was just about to lay

01:21:18.520 the entire groundwork

01:21:19.680 for my epistemology

01:21:20.640 and you don't have any

01:21:21.540 but you go ahead

01:21:22.620 I'll chill out

01:21:23.900 is that what you think

01:21:24.500 I was having rebuttal to

01:21:26.620 I was saying the fact

01:21:27.580 that he will always

01:21:28.460 cut me off after two sentences

01:21:29.820 but let any male guest

01:21:30.800 on this panel

01:21:31.200 bloviate for like

01:21:31.960 three minutes plus

01:21:32.920 even if it's not related

01:21:34.140 to the conversation

01:21:34.820 and I can never do that

01:21:35.760 I'm not taking a fight with you

01:21:37.600 no no no

01:21:38.020 I equally

01:21:38.880 I make fair attempts

01:21:40.580 to let everybody speak

01:21:41.920 you know

01:21:42.180 I'm a

01:21:42.780 I will pay someone

01:21:43.580 to comb through this

01:21:44.540 and create a chart

01:21:45.300 of how much you interrupt

01:21:46.220 now you go ahead

01:21:47.020 there's always

01:21:47.480 talking about dating preferences

01:21:50.840 I'm so lost

01:21:51.860 but he knows

01:21:53.120 that he can't let it slide

01:21:53.980 if I'm an OF girl

01:21:54.800 and I say

01:21:55.140 I wouldn't like

01:21:55.800 date a guy who watches porn

01:21:57.060 so he has to now

01:21:57.760 try to dunk on me ethically

01:21:58.880 even though it doesn't

01:21:59.400 pertain to ethics

01:22:00.320 let's continue

01:22:01.040 let's continue on

01:22:01.900 so Andrew is making a point

01:22:03.580 how does it

01:22:04.100 how does it not

01:22:05.220 how does it not

01:22:07.360 how does it not

01:22:09.340 pertain to

01:22:10.340 I'm chilling

01:22:11.200 how does it not

01:22:12.300 pertain to ethics

01:22:13.280 if you tell me

01:22:13.900 that you're doing

01:22:14.280 something that's unethical

01:22:15.040 it's like this

01:22:15.540 I didn't say

01:22:16.060 did I say unethical

01:22:16.860 anymore in my initial answer

01:22:18.220 did I say I wouldn't do it

01:22:19.280 because watching porn

01:22:20.000 is unethical

01:22:20.260 here's what your argument is

01:22:21.120 what your argument is

01:22:21.980 you go to me

01:22:22.520 and you're like

01:22:22.940 hey Andrew

01:22:23.900 I'm about to go

01:22:24.740 commit murder

01:22:25.340 and then I go

01:22:26.520 wait you can't do that

01:22:27.560 and here's why

01:22:28.220 and you're like

01:22:28.640 I didn't want to have

01:22:29.640 a conversation

01:22:30.220 about my ethical standards

01:22:31.300 I just wanted to tell you

01:22:32.400 that I was going to go

01:22:33.160 commit murder

01:22:33.720 that's your argument

01:22:34.880 right now Farrah

01:22:35.580 it's not

01:22:36.700 my argument is exactly

01:22:37.940 akin to saying

01:22:38.820 maybe I would wear

01:22:39.620 a blue shirt

01:22:40.120 over a red one

01:22:41.020 and I'm saying

01:22:42.120 it's a preference

01:22:42.860 no I'm saying

01:22:43.520 from my standpoint

01:22:44.400 you doing OnlyFans

01:22:45.620 is immoral

01:22:46.120 you agree that that's true

01:22:47.100 but that wasn't even

01:22:47.940 the argument

01:22:48.280 if you want to discuss

01:22:48.820 the morality of sex work

01:22:49.660 I'd love to get

01:22:50.240 did you say you're on

01:22:51.000 OnlyFans

01:22:51.620 yes but that wasn't

01:22:53.180 your rebuttal to me

01:22:54.060 your rebuttal to me

01:22:54.800 was that I'm contributing

01:22:55.680 to something wrong

01:22:56.420 while not preferring it

01:22:57.080 a partner

01:22:57.420 but the reason I wouldn't

01:22:58.240 prefer those traits

01:22:58.900 in a partner

01:22:59.320 is not because

01:22:59.820 I think it's immoral

01:22:59.960 and what did I tell you

01:23:00.740 you were contributing

01:23:01.420 I think it's because

01:23:01.560 it would create a partner

01:23:02.540 that wouldn't be

01:23:03.180 as pair bonded to me

01:23:04.080 that was the whole point

01:23:05.000 and what did I tell you

01:23:06.200 the point was

01:23:07.540 of me saying

01:23:08.760 wait a second

01:23:09.700 you're contributing

01:23:10.460 to X thing

01:23:11.360 by being on OnlyFans

01:23:12.860 right

01:23:13.240 yes I am contributing

01:23:14.800 to X thing

01:23:15.360 that doesn't make

01:23:15.780 X thing immoral

01:23:16.520 because I want date

01:23:17.320 or fuck X thing

01:23:17.700 so now we can get into

01:23:18.560 why X thing is immoral

01:23:19.620 let's do it

01:23:20.520 but then concede

01:23:21.260 that that doesn't mean

01:23:22.600 I was calling

01:23:23.160 X thing immoral

01:23:23.680 I literally told you

01:23:24.640 for the purpose

01:23:25.220 of the argument

01:23:25.860 I'll concede it

01:23:26.760 like why won't you

01:23:28.520 let it move on

01:23:29.340 because you didn't

01:23:30.860 even address

01:23:31.240 you were wrong

01:23:31.680 you created a rebuttal

01:23:32.460 to what I was saying

01:23:33.020 and then you completely

01:23:33.840 switched to the topic

01:23:34.260 and I'm still trying

01:23:35.000 to get into the ethics

01:23:35.840 of this thing

01:23:36.520 but we can get into

01:23:37.600 the ethics

01:23:38.040 of sex work

01:23:38.860 and OnlyFans

01:23:39.480 I would love to

01:23:40.320 is it just a preference

01:23:41.140 is it just a preference

01:23:42.420 is what a preference

01:23:43.080 is your

01:23:43.780 the fact that you say

01:23:45.100 that OnlyFans is moral

01:23:46.400 the fact that you say

01:23:47.540 like apparently

01:23:48.540 I guess prostitution

01:23:49.540 is moral

01:23:49.960 when did we say moral

01:23:50.440 stop stop

01:23:51.260 I just let you talk

01:23:52.700 right

01:23:52.940 so are you saying

01:23:55.260 that OnlyFans

01:23:56.120 you're making the claim

01:23:57.620 OnlyFans

01:23:58.960 moral

01:23:59.900 right

01:24:00.600 no I did not say that

01:24:02.580 and I know you know

01:24:03.220 I didn't say that

01:24:03.860 I literally said

01:24:04.520 we can discuss

01:24:05.080 the morality of it

01:24:05.860 I was saying

01:24:06.220 there's nothing

01:24:06.580 so is it immoral

01:24:07.180 immoral

01:24:07.820 as a moral absolutist

01:24:09.300 is it immoral

01:24:10.120 I'm sorry

01:24:10.540 is there no such thing

01:24:11.220 as moral neutrality

01:24:11.980 such as you wearing

01:24:12.580 a flannel

01:24:12.960 versus him wearing

01:24:13.540 a leather jacket

01:24:14.140 versus him wearing

01:24:14.720 a hoodie

01:24:14.960 yes you can say

01:24:15.340 it's morally neutral

01:24:16.720 I'm fine with that too

01:24:17.500 I would say

01:24:19.000 it's morally neutral

01:24:19.840 it's morally neutral

01:24:21.100 well it depends

01:24:21.900 case by case

01:24:22.780 is it absolutely

01:24:23.700 morally neutral

01:24:24.680 no that's why

01:24:25.580 I said case by case

01:24:26.580 are you absolutely sure

01:24:28.060 same way

01:24:28.800 I could probably

01:24:29.300 find a way to say

01:24:30.060 maybe you wearing

01:24:30.620 these certain shirts

01:24:31.240 aren't exactly morally

01:24:31.980 neutral because maybe

01:24:32.780 a child sewed that shirt

01:24:33.960 and we could get into

01:24:34.560 it case by case

01:24:35.120 but generally I can say

01:24:35.820 it's morally neutral

01:24:36.400 for you to have

01:24:36.880 different shirts

01:24:37.480 that you're wearing

01:24:37.980 is that fair

01:24:38.520 sure it's morally neutral

01:24:39.880 for me to have

01:24:40.640 is it okay for me

01:24:41.420 to ask you

01:24:41.900 to justify the morality

01:24:43.060 of your shirt

01:24:43.500 so hang on

01:24:43.980 so only fans

01:24:45.000 to you

01:24:45.800 is just like me

01:24:46.780 wearing a shirt

01:24:47.340 it's morally neutral

01:24:48.040 I said it's case by case

01:24:48.680 same way exactly

01:24:49.320 I don't know

01:24:49.840 maybe if you had a

01:24:50.460 four year old

01:24:50.840 make that shirt

01:24:51.340 for you today

01:24:51.760 then we could get into it

01:24:52.740 so we got into

01:24:53.660 it's a case by case

01:24:55.720 so inside of

01:24:56.880 the model

01:24:57.260 the consumer

01:24:57.780 the relationship status

01:24:58.780 so inside of only fans

01:25:00.140 how would you evaluate

01:25:02.440 absent bad consequences

01:25:04.960 the things inside of only fans

01:25:07.340 that you would consider

01:25:08.240 moral or immoral

01:25:09.220 probably the ethics

01:25:11.460 of sex work

01:25:12.120 so typical things

01:25:12.980 like whether the model

01:25:13.720 is being groomed into it

01:25:14.780 whether the consumer

01:25:15.560 consequence

01:25:16.040 next

01:25:17.520 whether the consumer

01:25:20.100 is honest with his

01:25:21.020 romantic partner

01:25:21.740 about it

01:25:22.200 that's not consequence

01:25:23.180 then why would you value

01:25:24.540 it absent negative consequence

01:25:26.580 I think

01:25:27.060 if you're looking at

01:25:28.080 something like

01:25:28.420 dishonesty and integrity

01:25:29.480 if anything that pertains

01:25:30.700 more to moral absolutism

01:25:31.880 than it does consequentialism

01:25:33.160 because if the partner

01:25:34.420 doesn't find out

01:25:35.300 then technically

01:25:36.000 that's fine by consequentialism

01:25:37.300 because maybe he got

01:25:38.140 to jack off to a model

01:25:39.100 and keep his relationship

01:25:39.880 going

01:25:40.280 but I would still say

01:25:40.980 that's wrong

01:25:41.500 even though he's

01:25:42.280 lying to his wife

01:25:43.020 about it

01:25:43.280 so it's okay

01:25:43.580 to tell a lie

01:25:44.400 if it saves a life

01:25:45.140 what

01:25:45.980 can you tell a lie

01:25:48.100 if it saves a life

01:25:49.040 um

01:25:50.200 I think it depends

01:25:52.840 it depends on the

01:25:53.740 consequences for it

01:25:55.000 what

01:25:57.240 no

01:25:57.760 no it depends

01:25:58.540 on the lie itself

01:25:59.520 and the severity

01:26:00.080 of the lie

01:26:00.620 unrelated from consequence

01:26:02.340 you know you're pivoting

01:26:03.780 you know

01:26:04.160 I'm not

01:26:04.440 this is literally

01:26:05.480 to your point

01:26:06.160 I'm testing your logic

01:26:07.140 so my logic is to say

01:26:08.120 I think you're

01:26:08.520 consequentialist

01:26:09.260 I think all the things

01:26:09.920 you just named

01:26:10.340 are consequence based

01:26:11.400 for negative outcomes

01:26:12.600 no it's literally not

01:26:13.900 it literally is

01:26:14.880 and this is how

01:26:15.860 I can demonstrate it

01:26:16.560 for you

01:26:16.680 can you moderate

01:26:17.220 a little bit

01:26:17.720 this is how

01:26:18.160 I can demonstrate it

01:26:19.000 I'm more of a free flow

01:26:20.180 are you playing solitaire

01:26:22.040 this is how

01:26:22.380 I can demonstrate it

01:26:23.280 this is how

01:26:24.900 I can demonstrate it

01:26:25.820 I know you just

01:26:26.640 want to prattle

01:26:27.160 wait okay here

01:26:28.620 let's let Farha

01:26:30.040 thank you so much

01:26:31.180 it's not like

01:26:31.980 I flew up two hours

01:26:33.000 for this

01:26:33.400 anyways

01:26:34.640 as I was saying

01:26:35.420 it's not consequent

01:26:36.520 I flew too

01:26:37.320 okay

01:26:37.540 it's not consequentialist

01:26:39.380 because I was literally

01:26:40.020 saying even if that

01:26:41.040 man who's watching

01:26:42.060 the OF content

01:26:42.940 is lying to his wife

01:26:43.720 but it improves

01:26:44.500 the status of his

01:26:45.320 relationship

01:26:45.740 because now he's

01:26:46.440 more likely to have

01:26:47.000 sexual intimacy

01:26:47.500 with his wife

01:26:48.080 but he knows

01:26:48.960 that he's transgressing

01:26:49.820 his wife's sexual

01:26:50.560 boundary

01:26:50.960 I still think

01:26:51.720 that's wrong

01:26:52.100 so that's 100%

01:26:53.000 no it's not

01:26:54.280 no it's not

01:26:56.160 because that's

01:26:56.660 increasing the pleasure

01:26:57.660 in his relationship

01:26:58.620 that's moral absolutism

01:27:00.540 literally

01:27:00.980 because I'm still

01:27:01.880 saying that's a wrong deed

01:27:02.980 but if it was reversed

01:27:03.960 but if it was reversed

01:27:04.960 if it's reversed

01:27:05.600 then that completely

01:27:06.180 changes the situation

01:27:06.960 right now

01:27:07.640 because the consequence

01:27:08.640 is reversed

01:27:09.440 the consequence has changed

01:27:10.960 it's not toose on purpose

01:27:11.780 I literally said

01:27:13.240 even if it's a net good

01:27:14.900 in terms of pleasure

01:27:15.900 because maybe his wife

01:27:17.040 is now enjoying him more

01:27:17.880 she's like wow

01:27:18.380 my husband's so happy

01:27:19.360 lately and jolly

01:27:20.120 and cheery

01:27:20.500 and he's more happy

01:27:21.620 lately

01:27:21.840 maybe now he can

01:27:22.600 actually last longer

01:27:23.460 in bed

01:27:23.880 if he's transgressing

01:27:25.120 her boundary

01:27:25.760 I still think it's wrong

01:27:26.920 to lie about being

01:27:27.660 subscribed to an OF

01:27:28.460 because I'm you know

01:27:30.240 prioritizing honesty

01:27:31.440 integrity

01:27:31.880 you know honoring

01:27:32.940 your vows

01:27:33.560 over a consequentialist

01:27:34.860 why

01:27:35.100 yeah why

01:27:36.340 why

01:27:37.260 I think that's the

01:27:38.440 I think that's the

01:27:40.120 end the dead end

01:27:40.920 of moral absolutism

01:27:41.740 is I'm valuing

01:27:42.500 honesty and integrity

01:27:43.300 yeah why

01:27:44.080 why

01:27:44.920 because I think

01:27:45.520 those are good traits

01:27:47.140 I have a question

01:27:47.840 so they're preferences

01:27:48.580 so the entirety

01:27:50.400 of Farrah's worldview

01:27:51.700 what are you talking about

01:27:52.800 listen I'm gonna explain

01:27:53.740 I wanna hear what she asked

01:27:54.900 so this is really simple

01:27:56.080 really very simple

01:27:57.300 what you say is this

01:27:59.060 you say

01:27:59.880 you say it bottoms out

01:28:01.140 at moral absolute

01:28:02.000 on truth

01:28:03.800 and on this

01:28:04.820 and on that

01:28:05.460 things which you

01:28:06.340 on justice

01:28:06.780 integrity

01:28:07.400 things that you prefer

01:28:08.500 that is the weirdest

01:28:10.900 evasion I've ever

01:28:11.600 heard in my life

01:28:12.140 no

01:28:12.340 it's not the weirdest

01:28:13.700 evasion

01:28:14.120 because ultimately

01:28:15.120 what he's trying

01:28:16.220 to get to

01:28:16.700 is saying that

01:28:17.440 you are the one

01:28:18.300 who's determining

01:28:18.880 whether it's

01:28:19.840 moral or immoral

01:28:21.000 it's a preference

01:28:21.920 that doesn't make it

01:28:23.340 consequentialist

01:28:24.440 it does

01:28:25.520 in this case

01:28:26.540 because all of the

01:28:27.420 things in which

01:28:28.140 you value

01:28:28.820 seem to be based

01:28:30.180 around the consequences

01:28:31.180 I literally said

01:28:31.980 it's not

01:28:32.460 even if it improves

01:28:33.220 their relationship

01:28:33.820 it makes it so

01:28:34.400 that they don't get

01:28:34.980 divorced and they

01:28:35.560 have a happier marriage

01:28:36.380 I still think it's wrong

01:28:37.380 to transgress someone's

01:28:38.280 boundary

01:28:38.620 fair enough

01:28:39.040 so then what we

01:28:39.960 could say instead

01:28:40.560 is this

01:28:41.100 maybe you're right

01:28:42.060 and it's not that

01:28:42.920 you always value

01:28:43.640 the consequence

01:28:44.160 we would just say

01:28:44.780 that the entirety

01:28:45.700 of Farah's entire

01:28:47.200 moral system

01:28:48.120 comes from her

01:28:49.100 preferences

01:28:49.680 how is that a

01:28:51.020 preference

01:28:51.480 because you said

01:28:52.680 that moral absolutism

01:28:54.160 bottoms out

01:28:55.100 at truth

01:28:56.520 and at these other

01:28:57.480 values that you have

01:28:58.380 which you have

01:28:58.820 a preference for

01:29:00.060 which I think

01:29:00.740 most people have

01:29:01.380 a preference for

01:29:02.040 the legal system

01:29:02.920 the courts

01:29:03.560 most moral doctrines

01:29:04.400 most philosophers

01:29:05.520 most politicians

01:29:06.580 so the most people

01:29:07.680 determine morality

01:29:08.520 then

01:29:08.800 no I didn't say

01:29:09.520 most people

01:29:10.220 I said specifically

01:29:10.980 the institutions

01:29:11.780 which we've entrusted

01:29:12.840 our justice

01:29:13.420 and our legal systems

01:29:14.400 with that has nothing

01:29:14.840 to do with most people

01:29:15.540 so it depends

01:29:16.360 upon the majority

01:29:19.180 of people believing

01:29:20.060 I didn't say majority

01:29:21.160 I literally said

01:29:21.940 I could be a minority

01:29:22.820 but we can like

01:29:23.460 look at the syllogisms

01:29:24.260 of why they've arrived

01:29:25.120 at this conclusion

01:29:25.740 of why this is a

01:29:26.520 real good thing

01:29:27.500 I just love that

01:29:28.440 we've detoured so much

01:29:29.320 because this proves

01:29:29.820 my point

01:29:30.320 that it's not

01:29:30.980 inconsistent for me

01:29:31.960 to do only

01:29:32.600 because you've had

01:29:33.720 to detour

01:29:34.200 like 30 times now

01:29:35.440 why is it important

01:29:37.500 that she determines

01:29:38.220 the morality of men

01:29:39.240 that she wouldn't

01:29:39.780 consider dating

01:29:40.420 that's what I don't

01:29:41.500 understand about

01:29:41.980 the entire premise

01:29:42.600 of this conversation

01:29:43.220 it matters

01:29:44.360 because the audience

01:29:45.360 wants him to

01:29:46.100 her responsibility

01:29:46.400 to determine

01:29:47.660 the morality of the men

01:29:48.880 that she wouldn't

01:29:50.000 consider dating

01:29:50.900 consuming the content

01:29:52.320 that they would consume

01:29:53.440 regardless of how

01:29:54.600 they got it

01:29:55.340 is a consenting person

01:29:56.620 creating the content

01:29:57.560 she runs her own business

01:29:59.160 she's ethically

01:30:00.020 creating her own

01:30:01.240 her own content

01:30:02.480 why is it ethical

01:30:03.200 because she's

01:30:04.620 consenting to the

01:30:05.300 creation of her content

01:30:06.060 why is that ethical

01:30:06.860 because that is

01:30:09.780 less consumption

01:30:11.900 happening of content

01:30:12.800 that people are not

01:30:13.520 consenting to making

01:30:14.360 yeah but you just

01:30:15.440 are repeating it

01:30:16.380 right

01:30:16.620 the consent is

01:30:17.440 what makes it ethical

01:30:18.300 the problem is

01:30:19.240 to me

01:30:19.680 what I'm trying to do

01:30:20.800 what I'm trying to do

01:30:21.720 is get to the foundation

01:30:22.760 of why you think

01:30:23.680 things are ethical

01:30:24.380 or unethical

01:30:24.940 that's the point

01:30:25.660 why do you think

01:30:27.820 things are ethical

01:30:28.620 or unethical

01:30:29.320 why

01:30:29.740 based on

01:30:31.820 I mean that depends

01:30:32.560 on the conversation

01:30:33.580 no

01:30:34.100 why do you think

01:30:35.360 things are good

01:30:36.080 or bad

01:30:36.580 I mean I don't do

01:30:39.040 that off of any

01:30:39.720 religious aspect

01:30:40.500 usually spiritual

01:30:41.080 people don't believe

01:30:41.820 in good or bad

01:30:42.520 usually we do

01:30:43.120 positive and negative

01:30:44.040 basically like

01:30:45.220 the do no harm

01:30:47.400 so you think

01:30:48.740 that things are bad

01:30:49.720 if they're harmful

01:30:50.980 and harmful

01:30:52.280 or subjective

01:30:52.780 that's your

01:30:53.400 that's your principle

01:30:54.280 yes

01:30:54.720 harmful is subjective

01:30:56.420 but for me

01:30:58.260 I make that

01:30:59.580 determination

01:31:00.320 based on

01:31:01.520 my lived experience

01:31:02.600 okay

01:31:02.980 so what you're

01:31:04.380 trying to avoid

01:31:05.120 then this is the

01:31:05.860 principle we're just

01:31:06.500 trying to get at

01:31:07.280 which far evaded

01:31:08.500 a million times

01:31:09.220 is that for you

01:31:10.360 you're just looking

01:31:11.720 at things

01:31:12.340 through the outlook

01:31:13.060 of you don't want

01:31:14.500 there to be harm

01:31:15.580 caused

01:31:16.180 correct

01:31:16.960 and then of course

01:31:18.860 with any decision

01:31:20.020 in any business

01:31:20.820 there are risks

01:31:22.240 and like of harm

01:31:23.600 factor

01:31:24.020 you know

01:31:24.680 you can be

01:31:25.580 a CEO making

01:31:26.760 a hundred thousand

01:31:27.220 dollars a year

01:31:27.860 doing beyond

01:31:30.060 unethical damage

01:31:31.460 to the environment

01:31:32.460 to the society

01:31:33.900 at large

01:31:34.400 to several factors

01:31:35.320 and not using

01:31:37.460 sex to do so

01:31:38.580 so her doing that

01:31:41.200 there is no ethical

01:31:42.400 consumption under

01:31:43.260 under capitalism

01:31:44.360 and there is no

01:31:45.760 there's no ethical

01:31:46.760 consumption under

01:31:47.660 capitalism

01:31:48.180 correct

01:31:48.680 there is no

01:31:49.320 ethical consumption

01:31:50.140 because that

01:31:50.780 well that would

01:31:51.380 mean that capitalism

01:31:52.100 always does harm

01:31:53.160 right

01:31:53.420 not always

01:31:54.600 well then it

01:31:55.240 can't be no

01:31:55.660 then it can't be no

01:31:57.260 you can't say

01:31:58.220 there can be

01:31:59.220 no ethical

01:32:00.040 consumption

01:32:00.700 and then say

01:32:02.120 but except for

01:32:03.220 the times there

01:32:03.660 can be

01:32:04.000 well they both

01:32:06.000 exist

01:32:06.540 so there are

01:32:07.300 things that can

01:32:08.020 be ethical

01:32:08.560 and things that

01:32:09.500 can't be

01:32:10.020 but you cannot

01:32:11.280 experience

01:32:12.900 consumption

01:32:14.180 without there

01:32:15.240 being unethical

01:32:16.120 unethical

01:32:16.840 unethical

01:32:17.780 excuse me

01:32:18.200 aspects that are

01:32:19.560 outside of our

01:32:20.300 control as an

01:32:20.940 individual

01:32:21.300 and those are

01:32:21.740 immoral

01:32:22.080 okay

01:32:23.140 right

01:32:23.740 I mean

01:32:24.580 dependent

01:32:25.820 yeah

01:32:26.260 dependent

01:32:27.460 on what

01:32:27.980 if it causes

01:32:28.760 harm

01:32:29.240 it's immoral

01:32:29.820 right

01:32:30.200 yes

01:32:31.060 okay

01:32:31.640 so then every

01:32:32.600 single time

01:32:35.700 somebody does

01:32:36.600 something

01:32:37.060 which is harmful

01:32:38.240 it's immoral

01:32:39.040 we've established

01:32:39.680 that and you

01:32:40.280 said that there's

01:32:41.500 no chance

01:32:42.480 they can never

01:32:43.240 be ethical

01:32:43.780 consumption

01:32:44.300 ever not even

01:32:45.080 one case

01:32:45.660 inside of

01:32:46.340 capitalism

01:32:46.780 that means

01:32:47.500 capitalism's

01:32:48.100 always harmful

01:32:48.840 right

01:32:49.300 see

01:32:51.440 well you're

01:32:51.840 you're trying

01:32:52.740 to boil it

01:32:53.240 down to

01:32:53.540 white and

01:32:53.800 black thinking

01:32:54.320 yeah

01:32:54.700 and that's

01:32:55.220 just not

01:32:55.820 yeah it is

01:32:56.420 it's either

01:32:57.080 yes or not

01:32:57.640 the path I'm

01:32:57.880 trying to go

01:32:58.200 down

01:32:58.360 is subjective

01:32:58.840 also

01:32:59.380 yeah

01:32:59.840 are we talking

01:33:00.460 about

01:33:00.660 well you can't

01:33:01.260 be subjective

01:33:01.840 you can't be

01:33:02.600 subjective

01:33:02.980 if you say

01:33:03.380 all

01:33:03.580 we could

01:33:03.800 we could

01:33:04.100 talk about

01:33:04.520 no but see

01:33:05.280 it's not

01:33:06.220 subjective

01:33:06.560 when you say

01:33:06.980 all

01:33:07.120 that is a

01:33:09.460 part of

01:33:09.700 capitalism

01:33:10.080 that was

01:33:10.640 the the

01:33:11.480 point from

01:33:11.900 which I was

01:33:12.260 deriving from

01:33:13.020 what was the

01:33:15.140 point

01:33:15.340 what

01:33:15.700 that you

01:33:17.280 that you

01:33:18.260 that sex

01:33:19.200 work is the

01:33:19.920 is the

01:33:20.900 commodification

01:33:21.640 of sex

01:33:22.360 uh-huh

01:33:23.420 the commodification

01:33:24.240 aspect is what

01:33:25.360 I was aligning

01:33:25.980 with capitalism

01:33:26.580 and making that

01:33:27.240 statement

01:33:27.600 so then sex

01:33:28.460 work is

01:33:29.760 is immoral

01:33:30.680 under capitalism

01:33:31.620 I don't

01:33:35.900 understand that

01:33:36.740 line of logic

01:33:37.620 you just said

01:33:38.640 that it's

01:33:39.460 sex work's a

01:33:40.120 commodification

01:33:40.880 under capitalism

01:33:41.960 and any type

01:33:42.980 of transaction

01:33:43.760 under capitalism

01:33:44.920 is immoral

01:33:45.480 it's not exclusive

01:33:45.700 to capitalism

01:33:46.180 so therefore

01:33:46.920 sex work

01:33:47.940 I didn't say

01:33:48.980 all I asked

01:33:49.980 you was

01:33:50.320 so sex work

01:33:51.160 in capitalism

01:33:51.760 is always

01:33:52.300 immoral

01:33:52.700 no

01:33:53.760 no

01:33:54.360 no

01:33:55.360 so then all

01:33:56.140 things which

01:33:56.980 are commodified

01:33:57.760 and transactions

01:33:58.260 made under capitalism

01:33:59.380 are not immoral

01:33:59.960 I don't

01:34:00.020 I don't

01:34:01.260 I don't

01:34:01.600 moralize

01:34:02.340 sex work

01:34:02.960 it's

01:34:04.160 it's a

01:34:04.720 so then there

01:34:05.440 are transactions

01:34:06.320 under a capitalist

01:34:07.080 society which are

01:34:07.900 moral

01:34:08.180 yeah

01:34:09.920 okay but then

01:34:11.100 then why did you

01:34:11.840 say that there

01:34:13.020 could be no

01:34:13.500 ethical transactions

01:34:14.480 ever

01:34:15.160 under communism

01:34:16.560 that's what you said

01:34:17.100 or under capitalism

01:34:17.760 no you said that

01:34:18.640 no I did not

01:34:19.260 okay go ahead

01:34:20.640 and repeat your spiel

01:34:21.560 about communism

01:34:22.340 again

01:34:22.720 capitalism

01:34:23.700 capitalism sorry

01:34:25.040 there could be no

01:34:25.940 what under capitalism

01:34:26.900 there

01:34:27.160 there

01:34:27.800 maybe there's a

01:34:29.220 better way of

01:34:29.900 phrasing it

01:34:30.540 but what did you

01:34:31.100 say though

01:34:31.680 what did you say

01:34:32.580 my

01:34:32.980 what the exact

01:34:33.980 phrase I believe

01:34:34.860 is there

01:34:35.600 there is no

01:34:36.460 ethic

01:34:37.160 like when you're

01:34:38.360 saying it's a

01:34:39.020 simplified phrase

01:34:39.960 there is no

01:34:41.000 there is no

01:34:42.680 ethical consumption

01:34:43.280 under capitalism

01:34:44.720 that is what I

01:34:45.360 said

01:34:45.620 so then only fans

01:34:46.680 under capitalism

01:34:47.360 is unethical

01:34:48.080 or morally

01:34:48.700 neutral

01:34:49.140 which you keep

01:34:49.640 forgetting exists

01:34:50.340 but she can't

01:34:51.220 she said all

01:34:51.980 all transactions

01:34:53.040 under capitalism

01:34:53.780 are unethical

01:34:54.320 all of them

01:34:54.900 every one of them

01:34:55.620 she didn't say

01:34:55.880 unethical

01:34:56.300 she said no

01:34:56.900 ethical consumption

01:34:57.880 that's the

01:34:58.500 are you consuming

01:34:59.340 only fans

01:35:01.080 are you consuming

01:35:02.980 only fans

01:35:03.780 she said it was

01:35:04.240 commodified

01:35:04.960 she said it's

01:35:05.740 commodified

01:35:06.220 so if somebody's

01:35:06.900 consuming only fans

01:35:07.940 by her logic

01:35:08.640 it has to be

01:35:09.060 unethical

01:35:09.380 she didn't say

01:35:09.820 unethical

01:35:10.320 she said no

01:35:10.960 ethical consumption

01:35:11.860 it could be

01:35:12.300 morally neutral

01:35:12.960 so then if

01:35:14.000 somebody's consuming

01:35:14.820 only fans

01:35:15.560 that would be

01:35:15.960 unethical

01:35:16.680 or ethically

01:35:17.520 neutral

01:35:17.920 it can't be

01:35:18.400 ethically neutral

01:35:19.060 if she says

01:35:19.720 every single time

01:35:21.420 X happens

01:35:21.700 she said no

01:35:22.540 ethical

01:35:22.960 not unethical

01:35:23.820 those are two

01:35:24.180 different things

01:35:24.700 yes

01:35:25.040 so everything

01:35:27.560 under your

01:35:28.740 world view

01:35:29.320 then

01:35:29.980 when it comes

01:35:30.640 to capitalism

01:35:31.240 is either

01:35:32.280 immoral or morally

01:35:33.320 neutral

01:35:33.660 there's no

01:35:34.040 moral goods

01:35:34.600 I'm sorry

01:35:36.240 please refuse that

01:35:36.800 question

01:35:37.080 I want to make

01:35:37.440 sure I

01:35:37.560 understood that

01:35:38.320 under capitalism

01:35:40.440 can you do

01:35:42.160 anything that

01:35:42.740 is a moral

01:35:43.500 good

01:35:43.980 I mean

01:35:46.160 yes

01:35:46.740 because it's

01:35:47.420 I don't

01:35:48.140 I don't

01:35:49.860 go into

01:35:50.420 the absolutes

01:35:51.180 then now

01:35:52.100 right

01:35:52.960 are you still

01:35:53.880 going to make

01:35:54.260 the claim

01:35:54.700 for it

01:35:55.080 now that she

01:35:55.500 said yes

01:35:56.120 you can at

01:35:56.680 least do

01:35:57.200 positive things

01:35:58.780 right

01:35:59.380 she did say

01:36:01.620 that under

01:36:02.600 her ethical

01:36:03.240 system

01:36:03.760 repeat it

01:36:04.380 again

01:36:04.600 I just want

01:36:04.960 to make

01:36:05.120 sure I get

01:36:05.340 it right

01:36:05.680 so that I'm

01:36:06.560 not straw

01:36:06.920 manning you

01:36:07.360 about the

01:36:07.600 capitalism

01:36:08.080 quote

01:36:08.400 there is no

01:36:10.380 ethical

01:36:10.660 consumption

01:36:11.200 under cap

01:36:11.720 or no

01:36:12.120 that's what

01:36:12.520 you said

01:36:12.860 there is no

01:36:13.380 ethical

01:36:13.660 consent

01:36:14.020 that's what

01:36:14.380 you said

01:36:14.640 the first

01:36:14.980 time

01:36:15.360 and I may

01:36:16.580 have misquoted

01:36:17.160 the phrasing

01:36:17.820 I that's

01:36:18.940 honestly I'm

01:36:19.700 dyslexic so

01:36:20.360 honestly I

01:36:20.920 couldn't misquoted

01:36:21.560 what I meant to

01:36:22.160 say so

01:36:23.080 yeah so

01:36:23.800 that's very

01:36:24.500 plausible

01:36:25.100 there

01:36:25.360 good talk

01:36:28.380 dating podcast

01:36:29.880 by the way

01:36:30.480 I think we're

01:36:32.540 going around

01:36:32.940 saying our

01:36:33.260 preferences

01:36:33.560 that was

01:36:35.180 about mine

01:36:35.620 thank you

01:36:36.300 yeah so

01:36:39.460 preferences

01:36:40.640 did you

01:36:41.640 finish

01:36:42.080 oh did

01:36:42.480 oh well

01:36:43.260 you sure

01:36:44.200 you want

01:36:44.460 to finish

01:36:44.960 I would love

01:36:46.400 to have her

01:36:46.720 finish just to

01:36:47.300 be curious

01:36:47.720 not to have

01:36:48.280 someone rebut

01:36:48.880 off of her

01:36:49.340 preference

01:36:49.740 thank you so

01:36:50.620 much

01:36:51.100 yeah I think

01:36:52.760 I pretty much

01:36:53.300 detailed it

01:36:53.840 already I would

01:36:54.420 like someone

01:36:54.840 intelligent someone

01:36:55.700 who doesn't

01:36:56.540 watch porn

01:36:57.080 doesn't go to

01:36:57.520 strip clubs

01:36:58.120 and has super

01:36:58.800 high sexual

01:36:59.420 discipline

01:37:00.100 well that's

01:37:02.760 morally

01:37:03.020 is my turn

01:37:04.480 now

01:37:04.680 yeah

01:37:05.420 okay

01:37:05.840 fun

01:37:07.160 I think

01:37:09.260 that I'm

01:37:09.600 probably also

01:37:10.320 looking for

01:37:11.180 someone who's

01:37:11.800 got similar

01:37:12.320 spiritual beliefs

01:37:13.600 as me

01:37:14.340 which are

01:37:15.440 I'm spiritual

01:37:17.280 I was raised

01:37:18.140 Catholic but I

01:37:18.900 grew away from

01:37:20.220 I grew away

01:37:21.180 from religion

01:37:22.320 just learning a

01:37:23.080 lot of things

01:37:23.560 and experiencing

01:37:25.100 things so

01:37:26.200 someone who

01:37:26.780 wasn't super

01:37:27.380 locked into

01:37:28.020 she mentioned

01:37:29.420 hyper religious

01:37:30.300 people here

01:37:30.880 don't love that

01:37:31.540 term I don't

01:37:32.900 mind that but

01:37:34.380 I don't want

01:37:35.280 that either

01:37:35.820 I wouldn't

01:37:36.460 actually

01:37:36.740 yeah yeah

01:37:37.260 and you said

01:37:37.860 that you want

01:37:38.520 an athletic guy

01:37:40.000 do you want

01:37:40.320 a tall guy

01:37:40.600 I would like

01:37:41.480 someone who

01:37:41.840 likes to be

01:37:42.660 athletic yeah

01:37:43.460 like I mean

01:37:45.060 ideally it'd be

01:37:45.780 nicer for them

01:37:46.640 to be I like

01:37:47.080 to wear heels a

01:37:47.640 lot so

01:37:48.560 normally like

01:37:49.160 I'll tell you

01:37:49.640 I'm five

01:37:50.340 I'm five

01:37:51.180 seven five

01:37:52.060 eight if I'm

01:37:52.520 doing runway

01:37:53.020 and so

01:37:54.060 bare minimum

01:37:54.600 height for a

01:37:55.240 guy

01:37:55.440 my first

01:37:57.500 boyfriend was

01:37:57.980 probably five

01:37:58.460 seven but

01:37:59.020 after that

01:37:59.720 it's been

01:38:00.620 like six

01:38:01.160 feet five

01:38:01.660 eleven five

01:38:02.140 ten

01:38:02.440 okay so

01:38:04.440 would you say

01:38:05.120 bare minimum

01:38:05.560 is like five

01:38:06.160 ten

01:38:06.400 ideally yeah

01:38:08.920 five ten and

01:38:09.440 taller like when

01:38:10.000 I'm looking I'm

01:38:10.540 like okay yeah

01:38:11.140 especially on

01:38:11.640 dating sites

01:38:12.120 because there's

01:38:12.640 more yeah

01:38:13.480 to view and

01:38:14.220 I can be a

01:38:14.660 little bit more

01:38:15.140 specific I'll be

01:38:16.180 like okay yeah

01:38:16.840 and you prefer

01:38:17.400 like guys with

01:38:20.440 large peens it

01:38:21.340 sounded like

01:38:21.940 that was a

01:38:23.020 preference

01:38:23.120 they prefer me

01:38:23.960 but yeah I'm

01:38:24.500 not mad at it

01:38:25.180 oh they prefer

01:38:25.260 you okay

01:38:26.140 all right

01:38:27.620 there's like a

01:38:28.460 mutual understanding

01:38:29.200 there

01:38:29.480 what about you

01:38:30.440 um for me I

01:38:34.380 think I would

01:38:35.060 like want

01:38:36.480 someone that

01:38:37.300 because I don't

01:38:37.920 go out like I

01:38:38.640 don't go out to

01:38:39.360 clubs that's not

01:38:40.780 like my thing I

01:38:41.560 get like anxious

01:38:42.440 and stuff but I

01:38:43.940 would want someone

01:38:45.000 that would want to

01:38:45.980 go out like to

01:38:46.640 the movies or to

01:38:47.600 do arcades or

01:38:48.840 something like

01:38:49.380 that like okay

01:38:50.540 so like dates and

01:38:51.840 stuff yeah but

01:38:53.060 also something

01:38:54.560 serious because I

01:38:55.700 know a lot of

01:38:56.700 people like on

01:38:57.420 dating apps they

01:38:59.080 say oh let's hang

01:39:00.040 out and this and

01:39:00.780 that but they

01:39:02.260 don't want to hang

01:39:02.820 out they just want

01:39:03.500 to hang out to

01:39:04.200 like have sex

01:39:06.040 yeah basically and

01:39:07.900 like I'm not

01:39:08.760 trying to wait

01:39:09.160 when's the last

01:39:09.640 time you went to

01:39:10.160 the club I don't

01:39:11.300 go oh you don't

01:39:12.020 go at all like

01:39:12.620 the last time I

01:39:13.740 went was a couple

01:39:15.320 months ago but

01:39:16.140 that's because my

01:39:16.780 friend invited me

01:39:17.720 but yeah I don't

01:39:19.080 usually go out

01:39:19.860 okay it's not

01:39:21.060 my okay

01:39:22.200 area

01:39:23.500 Madison I guess

01:39:26.400 my preferences are

01:39:28.340 someone who is

01:39:29.420 very committed

01:39:30.300 honest loyal in a

01:39:32.500 relationship I feel

01:39:33.500 like they have all

01:39:35.800 my attention so I

01:39:36.940 want to have their

01:39:38.220 attention as well

01:39:39.100 and I don't really

01:39:42.220 like when people

01:39:43.400 cheat doesn't mean

01:39:44.600 my preference is for

01:39:46.420 you not to cheat

01:39:47.120 doesn't mean I'm

01:39:47.760 going to contribute

01:39:48.660 to cheating as well

01:39:49.740 but yeah

01:39:51.500 I prefer I prefer

01:39:54.660 a cute face nice

01:39:56.200 waist to hip ratio

01:39:57.420 emotionally stable

01:39:59.280 I can't do the

01:40:00.000 highly neurotic

01:40:00.580 women they're

01:40:02.540 crazy I like I

01:40:04.100 like this sweet

01:40:04.760 innocent and

01:40:05.520 introverted types

01:40:06.660 high in

01:40:08.140 conscientiousness I

01:40:09.060 like a dutiful

01:40:09.520 woman okay

01:40:10.660 yeah Mason yeah

01:40:12.740 so she has to be

01:40:14.540 Christian and not

01:40:16.920 just by not just

01:40:18.660 by name but

01:40:19.740 they actually have

01:40:20.740 to live that out

01:40:21.780 and what that

01:40:22.080 looks like is she

01:40:23.720 has to subscribe to

01:40:25.720 what the Bible says

01:40:26.620 is that a chino

01:40:28.360 huh a chino a

01:40:30.680 chino like a

01:40:31.900 rhino but like

01:40:32.900 Christian and name

01:40:33.780 only

01:40:34.080 you know like

01:40:37.160 Republican and name

01:40:38.580 yeah I got yeah

01:40:40.060 yeah I mean a lot

01:40:41.400 of people will claim

01:40:42.140 Christ but not live

01:40:43.280 like it yeah so I

01:40:45.840 think there will be

01:40:47.580 as Jesus said there

01:40:48.680 will be many on that

01:40:49.420 day that say Lord

01:40:50.280 Lord did we not do

01:40:51.280 all these things in

01:40:52.020 your name and he

01:40:52.740 said depart from me

01:40:54.240 you practice law

01:40:55.840 lawlessness and I

01:40:58.120 never knew you so

01:40:59.260 it's but it's somebody

01:41:01.760 who loves the Lord

01:41:03.620 subscribes to what he

01:41:05.000 says and practices

01:41:06.180 that so that's got to

01:41:09.220 be there other than

01:41:10.560 that she's got to be

01:41:12.560 active she wants she's

01:41:14.260 got to be marriage

01:41:16.460 minded so not

01:41:18.460 sleeping around I

01:41:19.540 want her to save

01:41:20.360 herself from marriage

01:41:21.100 if she had a past I

01:41:22.780 can work with that

01:41:23.560 Brian doesn't want me

01:41:25.000 to to lower my

01:41:27.500 standards for that

01:41:28.240 but yeah I am his I

01:41:31.000 am your eternal

01:41:32.100 wingman Mason

01:41:33.080 exactly there's some

01:41:34.780 women who've

01:41:35.380 previously attempted to

01:41:36.480 convince you to you

01:41:39.260 know date women who

01:41:41.580 might not also be

01:41:42.540 virgins exactly might

01:41:44.980 they might be

01:41:45.840 prostitutes even that

01:41:47.400 was a stretch I feel

01:41:48.480 like but Mason

01:41:50.140 Brian is my gatekeeper

01:41:51.540 I am any women out

01:41:53.640 there you want to get

01:41:54.440 to Mason you got to

01:41:55.340 come through me yeah

01:41:57.900 not like you don't

01:41:59.040 have to like sleep

01:41:59.700 yeah just like that

01:42:03.280 seems counterproductive

01:42:04.300 that would be just a

01:42:06.060 little counterproductive

01:42:06.900 you know very

01:42:07.800 counterproductive for

01:42:08.600 Mason but Mason but

01:42:10.420 you if Mason if you

01:42:12.380 even come to me you

01:42:13.100 come to me with a

01:42:13.720 woman who's not a

01:42:14.360 virgin I got I'm

01:42:15.960 gonna you're gonna

01:42:16.860 sabotage it I'm gonna

01:42:17.860 clam block all right

01:42:19.160 or is that

01:42:19.720 but yeah I wanted to

01:42:24.700 be like I want her to

01:42:26.080 desire to be a mother

01:42:27.320 I want to have a large

01:42:28.440 family so she's got to

01:42:29.580 have a similar desire

01:42:30.520 yeah I want her to

01:42:33.900 support but not support

01:42:36.260 me financially he said

01:42:37.760 Christian yeah yeah

01:42:39.460 would you convert I

01:42:40.300 need someone with a I

01:42:42.620 need somebody that

01:42:43.440 actually has a like a

01:42:45.020 basis for their moral

01:42:45.920 standard yeah sorry

01:42:46.980 farah can't just be a

01:42:50.440 preference you may

01:42:51.000 exactly it's got there's

01:42:52.720 got to be some basis

01:42:53.380 uh but yeah yeah so I

01:42:55.680 want someone to be able

01:42:56.860 to build a home got to

01:42:58.280 build a home yeah you

01:42:59.080 can't build a home what

01:43:00.240 what you really got an

01:43:01.680 intelligent is it gonna

01:43:02.920 be a townhome or two

01:43:04.140 store what I want to add

01:43:05.300 a couple things all you

01:43:05.920 do is say big peen and I

01:43:06.960 need to say anything about

01:43:07.820 intelligence or like if

01:43:09.080 they can you said if

01:43:09.720 they could put it down

01:43:10.640 good or something like

01:43:12.080 yeah led by you but like

01:43:13.260 there's other things to

01:43:14.040 have yeah yeah yeah

01:43:17.060 like a big brain big

01:43:18.780 brain yeah that's good

01:43:20.000 that's always good all

01:43:21.940 right so what uh what I

01:43:23.480 mean you're married of

01:43:24.260 course but uh you know

01:43:25.800 when before you met your

01:43:27.040 wife what were you uh

01:43:28.100 what were you looking for

01:43:28.900 in a partner uh what's

01:43:32.020 referred to as a

01:43:32.780 unicorn so I was looking

01:43:33.880 for somebody who had um

01:43:35.960 wait isn't a unicorn um

01:43:37.520 a lesbian that's added

01:43:38.580 into a couple or a

01:43:40.500 virgin I think I just

01:43:41.500 learned that or it could

01:43:43.160 be a mythical rare

01:43:44.600 creature which one do you

01:43:45.700 think I was referring

01:43:46.580 why do we have to

01:43:47.100 sexualize right the

01:43:48.260 mythical creature right so

01:43:49.540 anyway I mean I really

01:43:52.160 didn't know I don't know

01:43:52.880 you I don't yeah I get

01:43:53.980 it I get it I just think

01:43:55.080 yeah anyway um so for me

01:43:58.700 my preference for a woman

01:43:59.800 was somebody who

01:44:00.420 prioritized duty over

01:44:02.240 herself and that's what

01:44:04.260 the unicorn part is I

01:44:06.560 have in most of my

01:44:08.760 experience with women is

01:44:09.760 that they do not

01:44:10.520 prioritize duty over

01:44:12.080 their own self-interest

01:44:13.340 what is duty yeah it

01:44:16.820 would be a level of

01:44:18.380 responsibility uh that

01:44:20.500 you would move towards

01:44:22.160 over whatever your

01:44:23.420 personal preferences were

01:44:25.380 interesting and you

01:44:26.780 haven't been able to

01:44:27.440 find women who do that

01:44:28.200 I feel like that's

01:44:28.900 other than my wife my

01:44:31.080 wife has always

01:44:31.780 prioritized duty over

01:44:33.560 her own preferences and

01:44:35.480 what it is that she

01:44:36.220 wants and if we were to

01:44:38.240 really get into it right

01:44:39.880 like you might disagree

01:44:41.520 with what I'm saying but

01:44:43.140 if you want to get into

01:44:44.040 it I can explain to you

01:44:45.180 and probably reduce for

01:44:46.300 you how likely in your

01:44:48.320 situation you don't

01:44:50.080 really believe in duty or

01:44:51.480 responsibility but most

01:44:52.820 of your preferences just

01:44:53.820 revolve around your sense

01:44:54.840 of self and what it is

01:44:55.740 that you want I

01:44:56.480 wouldn't argue with

01:44:57.000 that I'm single but

01:44:58.360 that's not how I

01:44:58.860 function in a

01:44:59.340 relationship well what

01:45:00.960 are your duties in a

01:45:01.640 relationship I guess it

01:45:03.320 would depend on who my

01:45:04.160 man is and what he's

01:45:04.920 expecting I would really

01:45:05.900 like to get to know him

01:45:06.780 and get to know what are

01:45:08.600 the things that make him

01:45:09.340 happy but in general I

01:45:10.720 really like you were

01:45:11.940 talking about I really

01:45:12.500 like to cook for my man

01:45:13.320 like to have him a place

01:45:14.500 that you know he likes to

01:45:15.980 come home to love to be

01:45:16.900 like a space that could

01:45:18.920 lift him up and lighten

01:45:20.320 him if he's going through

01:45:21.000 a hard time be the

01:45:22.140 person he can talk to and

01:45:23.080 encourage him um rub him

01:45:25.140 down you know if he wants

01:45:26.920 breakfast 3am and we're

01:45:28.020 tired I'm still gonna do

01:45:28.960 those kinds of things

01:45:29.680 that's what I see and

01:45:30.900 then I guess if he's got

01:45:31.700 any particular things he

01:45:32.740 wants and it's something

01:45:33.460 that's feasible for me and

01:45:34.580 I love him I'm gonna try

01:45:35.420 to do it yeah yeah what

01:45:36.980 about things that he

01:45:37.900 might want you to do that

01:45:39.540 you don't want to do yeah

01:45:40.780 we would try everything

01:45:41.400 once yeah well no I'm not

01:45:44.280 talking about sexually I'm

01:45:45.420 not either yeah yeah so

01:45:46.380 so out in the world so

01:45:47.500 let's assume for a second

01:45:49.480 that he tells you that he

01:45:51.000 wants you to stop talking

01:45:52.140 to your mother because

01:45:53.260 it's causing a serious

01:45:55.020 issue inside of your

01:45:55.960 relationship yeah uh and

01:45:58.040 you think that you talking

01:46:00.140 to your mother is not

01:46:01.220 causing a serious

01:46:02.220 relationship or an issue

01:46:04.140 in your relationship would

01:46:05.020 you defer to him are we

01:46:06.080 married yeah I'm

01:46:07.280 deferring to him he's my

01:46:08.060 husband okay always it's

01:46:09.980 my husband I mean hopefully

01:46:11.140 we're at the place where if

01:46:12.200 I am his wife we have a

01:46:13.960 common understanding of

01:46:14.880 communication we respect

01:46:15.960 each other but yeah I mean

01:46:17.440 he's the leader of the

01:46:18.060 house okay and why do you

01:46:19.440 think he's the leader of

01:46:20.140 the house oh um hopefully

01:46:23.240 because he's providing and

01:46:24.840 protecting so what if he

01:46:26.120 wasn't providing I wouldn't

01:46:28.280 be in that situation so I

01:46:29.340 can't I can't well you

01:46:30.360 could be where you're with

01:46:31.300 a man who can provide

01:46:32.240 okay but hang on just hear

01:46:34.160 me out okay so he's

01:46:35.900 providing for you for a few

01:46:36.920 years and then he's in a

01:46:38.300 situation where through

01:46:39.500 whatever means he can't

01:46:40.900 provide for you anymore

01:46:41.880 yes you would not put

01:46:43.360 yourself in that situation

01:46:44.600 no I mean I'm already in

01:46:46.020 that once I'm married I

01:46:46.860 right do what I can do to

01:46:48.600 keep that together yeah

01:46:50.040 okay but if what if he

01:46:51.400 couldn't provide for you

01:46:52.220 anymore okay would you

01:46:53.740 still stay with him I

01:46:54.680 would not be with a man

01:46:55.800 who doesn't have the

01:46:56.860 motivation to pick up so

01:46:58.040 if yeah he fell off for a

01:46:59.120 little bit I'm going to be

01:47:00.340 right there to pick him up

01:47:01.400 in any way knowing that

01:47:04.040 it's not going to be like

01:47:05.020 that forever because at

01:47:06.100 the end of the day I'm

01:47:06.760 hoping to be able to carry

01:47:07.760 children and I won't be

01:47:09.720 able to do both provide and

01:47:10.960 carry children yeah but

01:47:11.640 what if he's maimed and

01:47:12.640 he can't he's maimed and

01:47:14.400 he can't I guess that we'll

01:47:15.220 handle that when it

01:47:15.760 happens yeah but if he was

01:47:17.100 yeah if he was maimed and

01:47:18.060 he couldn't correct would

01:47:19.040 you prioritize him over

01:47:20.160 you I mean I'd be taking

01:47:22.100 care of him I'd be

01:47:22.820 where's he maimed

01:47:24.140 sickness on our health

01:47:24.920 yeah so he's maimed in a

01:47:26.200 way what I'm saying is

01:47:27.280 what I'm saying is is that

01:47:28.620 he's maimed in a way where

01:47:29.620 he can no longer provide

01:47:30.760 for you yeah that's in my

01:47:31.880 hand if I love him like

01:47:32.680 obviously I love to the

01:47:33.960 soul so it wasn't about

01:47:34.740 the physical which is why

01:47:35.580 he was trying to point out

01:47:36.640 like this but for me it's

01:47:38.080 there's more there's more

01:47:39.900 okay so you would stay with

01:47:41.440 him even if he couldn't

01:47:42.100 provide for you yeah I

01:47:43.000 mean here's the thing

01:47:43.820 though I'm going to be

01:47:44.640 honest with you if it

01:47:45.820 was a situation where it

01:47:48.240 changed who he was and I

01:47:50.320 do mean I'd mean like

01:47:51.600 sometimes people will go

01:47:54.660 through catastrophic events

01:47:56.080 and who they are as a

01:47:57.640 person completely changes

01:47:58.700 and I feel like there's

01:48:00.100 definitely an amount of

01:48:01.080 time that I would give to

01:48:03.260 help that person but if it

01:48:05.460 event if it initially

01:48:07.400 eventually came back to

01:48:08.680 something that would

01:48:10.580 destroy me I've been in

01:48:13.640 situations where I did let

01:48:14.620 it destroy me I hope that

01:48:15.840 I've grown right now to

01:48:16.820 attract someone who

01:48:17.900 wouldn't so your greater

01:48:18.760 duties to yourself I guess

01:48:23.260 I would I depend on the

01:48:24.160 situation well in this

01:48:25.100 situation you just said

01:48:26.280 your greater duties to you

01:48:27.720 if it was something that

01:48:29.180 was to destroy me I don't

01:48:30.860 know because I just told

01:48:31.660 you that I've let it

01:48:32.580 destroy me in the past so I

01:48:34.200 mean I'd like to think

01:48:34.900 that I've grown out of

01:48:35.680 that but maybe not but you

01:48:36.920 just got done saying to me

01:48:38.280 to be perfectly honest with

01:48:39.920 you yeah if I knew that

01:48:41.020 this was something that was

01:48:41.960 going to destroy me correct

01:48:43.580 you're going to exit the

01:48:44.720 situation right and I also

01:48:46.000 just stated to you that in

01:48:47.260 the past when I thought

01:48:48.200 that I might have done

01:48:48.900 that I still let it destroy

01:48:50.020 me so I'm hoping that yes

01:48:51.940 I would make that choice

01:48:52.900 but given given my past

01:48:54.920 exam my past history that's

01:48:57.040 not something that I when

01:48:57.860 it destroyed you in the

01:48:58.740 past did you leave the

01:48:59.720 situation um he got another

01:49:03.760 girl pregnant did you leave

01:49:05.420 this situation I mean it

01:49:06.600 was after that point I'm the

01:49:07.900 girls calling me and she's I

01:49:09.080 mean I didn't have a choice

01:49:09.900 that's yeah I all the

01:49:11.800 qualified I'm just asking

01:49:12.680 those are the quality

01:49:13.280 left the situation though

01:49:14.840 I didn't have a choice

01:49:15.960 right so based on the

01:49:17.040 pattern of um when things

01:49:20.060 destroy you like your wife

01:49:21.960 would you you leave her you

01:49:23.520 cheat on her and she's still

01:49:24.680 going to be like I'm down

01:49:25.620 I'm saying that your wife's

01:49:27.320 greatest priority as far as

01:49:30.340 her duty goes is obeisance to

01:49:33.060 her husband and taking care of

01:49:35.820 her children and taking care of

01:49:37.200 her family is the priority so

01:49:38.620 your point right now is to

01:49:39.420 prove that I'm not I would

01:49:40.480 not be duty I would not I

01:49:42.180 know it's not I'm not saying

01:49:43.620 that you wouldn't be

01:49:44.120 dutiful that's not really

01:49:46.040 what my preference here is

01:49:47.280 what I'm saying is that the

01:49:48.320 thing I look for is in a

01:49:50.800 woman is somebody who has a

01:49:52.800 greater duty to me than to

01:49:55.900 her and I feel that's why I

01:49:57.500 think it's a unicorn I agree

01:49:58.580 I think that the way that you

01:50:00.100 know that is by being shown it

01:50:01.900 not by asking I don't know

01:50:04.480 what that means what do you

01:50:05.580 mean I think that was pretty

01:50:06.680 self-explanatory the reason

01:50:08.040 why you know that is because

01:50:09.000 she's shown you that she's

01:50:10.300 dutiful you're asking me if I

01:50:12.100 would be dutiful those are

01:50:13.560 two different things I can

01:50:14.820 sit there and say one thing

01:50:15.680 or the other but my actions

01:50:16.680 speak for me okay that's fair

01:50:18.080 so I mean within the the

01:50:19.840 confines of the point though I

01:50:21.300 guess I'm just trying to kind

01:50:22.440 of flesh out that that's what

01:50:24.180 I'm after is a woman who

01:50:25.180 prioritizes duty over self and

01:50:28.540 to me there's just almost none

01:50:30.100 of them who do that I feel

01:50:31.460 like a lot of women I know that

01:50:33.840 is our biggest problem is we

01:50:35.600 put you guys before

01:50:36.460 ourselves and so it's

01:50:38.080 interesting that you say that

01:50:39.000 and teach their own but that's

01:50:40.620 what I feel like I've

01:50:41.800 encountered a lot with my

01:50:42.820 how are they putting I don't

01:50:45.160 know I think I mean if you

01:50:46.740 take just divorce statistics and

01:50:49.780 the amount of like just cause

01:50:53.520 divorces as opposed to no cause

01:50:56.520 divorces so just like preference

01:50:58.520 like this person is not making

01:51:00.260 me happy the vast majority of

01:51:01.980 divorces are happening by women

01:51:03.820 because they're just not happy

01:51:05.260 anymore so it's lack of

01:51:07.540 commitment so it's I mean I I

01:51:11.140 would say that the evidence

01:51:12.460 suggests otherwise that most

01:51:15.020 women don't want to be in a

01:51:16.920 relationship because they're not

01:51:17.980 happy and it's they would rather

01:51:20.600 prioritize their happiness over

01:51:23.100 the health and the health and

01:51:26.920 growth of their family and

01:51:28.360 and to speak to his point you

01:51:35.020 also said earlier somebody who

01:51:36.420 treats you like a princess that

01:51:39.340 tells you that's that's what

01:51:40.340 Andrew is referring to what is it

01:51:42.000 because I didn't specify what that

01:51:43.160 means so what do you you didn't and

01:51:44.520 I wanted to ask you what that

01:51:45.520 meant but that statement in itself

01:51:47.040 somebody who treats me like a

01:51:48.620 princess as opposed to you saying a

01:51:52.180 guy that I want to be a wife for or

01:51:54.960 oh yeah that was just a short and

01:51:56.140 sweet thing I didn't get to delve into

01:51:57.420 anything specific yeah okay but

01:51:58.760 that's what that's what he that's

01:51:59.800 what he's talking about though with

01:52:00.640 the dutifulness and then with women

01:52:02.220 talking about themselves like that

01:52:03.980 statement is a selfish statement

01:52:06.060 it's self-centered is selfish but it

01:52:07.800 wasn't neglecting it's like saying

01:52:09.740 like oh black lives matter me know

01:52:11.580 them no other matters no other

01:52:12.720 things matter it's like no I wasn't

01:52:14.020 stating that I wouldn't treat

01:52:15.180 someone like a king it's just that I

01:52:16.720 would like someone who also treats

01:52:17.720 me like a princess she was making a

01:52:20.860 comparison she was making a

01:52:23.680 comparison to what she said

01:52:25.320 something about black lives matter

01:52:26.320 you heard BLM and you perked up

01:52:27.940 yeah oh my I thought you were

01:52:29.880 talking about my non-profit

01:52:31.040 organization matters speaking of I

01:52:34.540 think I should share my preferences

01:52:36.840 yes and standards here and I've

01:52:39.980 written a bunch of notes because I

01:52:41.580 don't want to forget because it's a

01:52:42.740 very long and exhaustive list of all

01:52:45.520 the things that I want so let's see

01:52:47.480 here first off let's talk about race

01:52:49.620 any race is fine but slight preference

01:52:53.040 for Asian women and white women I'm

01:52:55.900 just going to be honest that's my

01:52:57.600 preference I don't know if you guys

01:53:01.120 play World of Warcraft there's like

01:53:02.680 best in slot I okay never mind I

01:53:06.220 probably should say white women you

01:53:07.200 mean white looking women what's a good

01:53:11.260 question what's the difference well I'm

01:53:13.300 talking like Latina like like Hispanic

01:53:15.720 Hispanic like I my skin color is black

01:53:18.000 how do you identify how do you

01:53:19.580 identify your experience as a white

01:53:22.380 woman no my experience is of a black

01:53:24.720 woman but being raised but you're

01:53:26.500 half raised by a white woman and I

01:53:28.220 also understand that experience and

01:53:29.900 what that is and so I'm also because

01:53:32.340 I'm literally half I'm also a white

01:53:34.720 woman like I don't have the

01:53:36.040 experience you're throwing your hat

01:53:37.100 into the ring here I mean I'm just

01:53:38.440 saying I know people come at me that

01:53:39.560 because I don't have the I don't have

01:53:40.600 that experience but to an extent I

01:53:42.400 know the experience but I don't have

01:53:44.100 that myself I don't think he cares

01:53:45.040 about the experience I would say it's

01:53:46.100 looks okay for primary looks don't

01:53:48.960 get me wrong I'll date care about the

01:53:50.080 heritage I'll date a black woman I'll

01:53:51.940 date a you know Latino woman I'm just

01:53:54.920 saying slight preference ever so

01:53:56.500 slight very small very small

01:53:57.940 preference petite fun size short women

01:54:01.460 the shorter the better what size is

01:54:04.180 that 5 4 is that tall it's a bit tall

01:54:08.520 for me I'm tall for you her height

01:54:10.680 needs to start with little people he

01:54:13.720 6 feet 6 foot 1 6 foot 1 ish yeah well

01:54:17.260 you're not supposed to say that yeah

01:54:18.180 actually I'm serious yeah he does I

01:54:21.320 prefer the short women what she just

01:54:23.840 said yeah what did you say you said you

01:54:25.180 like little people last season last

01:54:26.880 session that's I would it's not it's not

01:54:28.920 so much that I I said what I get with a

01:54:31.240 dwarf yes I would get with a dwarf I'll

01:54:34.200 get with a dwarf a little bit it's not

01:54:36.560 that I have a prep I don't have a

01:54:37.960 preference for dwarves I'm saying I would I

01:54:39.660 would date a woman who is a dwarf okay

01:54:41.960 but I'll also date a woman who's got

01:54:43.620 appropriate like nor normal proportions

01:54:45.960 who's also like five but there's there's

01:54:50.900 like four four foot nine women who are

01:54:52.920 just like when people say put this around

01:54:54.360 normal normal it's their respect it's

01:54:57.060 well no but but there's like if you can

01:54:59.560 you can be short and considered legally a

01:55:03.460 dwarf or I don't know what the general

01:55:06.660 person I don't know sometimes I have

01:55:09.960 what's that thing that the the guy from

01:55:12.680 back to the future has Tourette's I don't

01:55:14.280 know Michael what's his name Michael J

01:55:16.860 Fox Michael J Fox I think I that's

01:55:18.760 probably what's going on I probably

01:55:19.980 shouldn't joke about that but okay um

01:55:21.840 wait what what don't worry about it um

01:55:25.260 is it what is it what is okay never

01:55:28.880 right uh so short women natural body

01:55:32.060 supremacist and obviously I care about

01:55:34.760 hygiene and grooming but strong

01:55:36.920 preference for no plastic surgery no

01:55:39.080 makeup no sense perfumes uh yeah you

01:55:42.640 know I wonder uh that last part because

01:55:45.120 I heard you say that the last show

01:55:46.440 which one the they know plastic surgery

01:55:49.040 or anything is that because you think

01:55:51.360 that that of that is a sign of vanity

01:55:53.100 yes well there's a few reasons there's a

01:55:56.380 few reasons but it's prefer because of

01:55:58.100 vanity because you don't like the way it

01:55:59.080 looks and feels well no not vanity on

01:56:02.220 his end no I know but he's looking at

01:56:04.640 it well wait wait can't we apply your

01:56:07.100 same double standard objection to your

01:56:10.100 double standard here right wait wait

01:56:12.580 no we can just apply for us double

01:56:15.020 standard application here right he's

01:56:17.740 not not attracted to women who get

01:56:19.420 plastic surgery because of vanity he

01:56:20.680 just personally doesn't like the look

01:56:21.820 because it's uncanny well no he said

01:56:23.620 there's a few reasons he said vanity

01:56:24.960 what are the reasons Brian tell us all

01:56:27.020 oh man okay I mean where do I even

01:56:29.560 begin purely aesthetic so purely

01:56:32.500 aesthetic

01:56:32.940 wait what

01:56:35.400 suddenly you were saying a long story

01:56:37.880 it's gonna be it's gonna be very long

01:56:40.140 um I do think that somebody who's

01:56:42.920 inclined to get plastic surgery that

01:56:44.540 that could be proxy proxy for mental

01:56:46.880 illness and I don't really want to

01:56:49.540 date somebody who's mentally ill no

01:56:52.020 like no offense or anything but I'd

01:56:54.180 rather

01:56:54.360 don't know women

01:56:55.540 is that a thing

01:56:56.400 wait what is there actually any

01:57:03.240 correlation between cosmetic surgery

01:57:04.640 of course there's a little bit of

01:57:06.460 course there's correlation well because

01:57:08.400 you're essentially suffering from body

01:57:10.040 dysmorphia

01:57:11.280 you're so you're so unsatisfied and

01:57:17.540 with your outward facing physical

01:57:20.000 appearance that you're going to spend

01:57:22.480 tens of thousands of dollars that

01:57:24.360 you're going to undergo anesthesia

01:57:26.780 which my granted I most plastic

01:57:30.100 surgeries occur without any issue

01:57:33.000 however anytime you go under

01:57:34.760 anesthesia there is a risk of

01:57:37.720 potential long-term damage or even

01:57:40.320 death

01:57:40.580 so to me unless a surgery is

01:57:44.920 absolutely medically indicated and

01:57:47.660 necessary for you to simply go under

01:57:50.900 the knife for purely cosmetic reasons I

01:57:54.640 think is to me would be evidence of

01:57:56.900 body dysmorphia although I suppose you

01:57:59.420 could argue that you might not be

01:58:00.880 suffering from body dysmorphia but a

01:58:02.380 woman sees some sort of economic

01:58:04.160 benefit for like okay if I get fake or

01:58:06.960 if I get fake boobs and that could help

01:58:10.540 me in my career doing OnlyFans or in

01:58:13.160 dating too she might not necessarily have

01:58:15.660 body dysmorphia she just might look at

01:58:17.940 it from like okay this might help my

01:58:19.620 odds so you would date someone with BD

01:58:21.400 even if they didn't get cosmetic

01:58:22.400 surgery like they just had an ED but

01:58:24.020 were all natural and stuff had the what

01:58:25.500 eating disorder like body yeah so you

01:58:29.640 wouldn't date someone who has body

01:58:31.120 dysmorphia but it's all natural for the

01:58:33.460 same reason because it's mentally ill

01:58:34.860 would I not like they have body

01:58:39.760 dysmorphia but they haven't had plastic

01:58:41.580 surgery I suppose it depends the

01:58:45.480 severity of the impact on their day-to-day

01:58:47.220 life I mean if it's if they have it but

01:58:49.800 they it's not otherwise interfering with

01:58:52.320 their life or with the relationship I

01:58:54.740 don't think that that necessarily would

01:58:57.460 be in be an issue acted on I think

01:59:03.200 acted on mental illness by getting the

01:59:07.240 plastic surgery that would be like what

01:59:09.840 about like an acted on ED if this is TOS

01:59:11.900 you can tell me eating disorder I think

01:59:13.560 that's I think it's fine to talk about

01:59:15.260 that I would assume I don't know so you

01:59:17.800 mean like bulimia yes I acted on that I

01:59:20.820 mean yeah I would say that I suppose that

01:59:23.820 would be a red flag because I feel like

01:59:27.160 there's other there's other things that

01:59:29.980 are lingering in the shadows typically I

01:59:33.100 mean so when you're talking about the

01:59:34.600 vanity portion this was my the question I

01:59:37.440 was getting at earlier I was curious about

01:59:39.000 is it because you think that if they're

01:59:42.340 prioritizing for vanity that that's a sign

01:59:45.160 that they're not going to prioritize for

01:59:46.500 you

01:59:46.840 in the sense that it's very self-centered

01:59:52.680 I've never thought about it like that but

01:59:55.760 that's that's actually a good point I just I

01:59:59.840 like modest women and so hyper focus on

02:00:05.020 one's own appearance to the point that

02:00:06.440 you're going to spend tens of thousands of

02:00:07.640 dollars and undergo dangerous and

02:00:09.480 unnecessary surgery that's a hyper focus

02:00:11.880 on one's own appearance seems like there

02:00:13.320 would be something that would lead them

02:00:15.000 to prioritize maybe themselves yes over

02:00:18.680 you right yeah and and just on its own

02:00:20.760 aside from whether they're prioritizing

02:00:23.240 themselves or me I just don't find it an

02:00:26.040 attractive personality trait just vanity I

02:00:29.320 prefer modesty I much more prefer modesty both

02:00:32.680 in personality and in appearance so so I

02:00:36.920 have a question just out of curiosity so it

02:00:39.960 seems like you seem to deem that more so on

02:00:42.760 the decision than anything so if you met

02:00:44.440 someone and got like semi into it you know

02:00:48.040 three six months in found out they had pretty

02:00:50.440 invasive surgery but had supernatural results

02:00:52.680 and you had no idea would that impact your

02:00:55.800 desire to stay in that relationship um that's a good

02:01:00.280 question well I I think I have I have fake

02:01:04.920 titty vision so well I mean is it the

02:01:10.200 boob job that's the issue or like okay

02:01:12.360 rhinoplasty jawline chin implants yeah

02:01:15.480 fillers of all kinds like I don't like I

02:01:18.200 don't like any of it obviously though

02:01:20.120 there's I would say there are some

02:01:22.120 procedures that are more invasive than

02:01:24.120 others right and that tend to change but

02:01:26.280 but there are amazing plastic surgeons and

02:01:28.040 new to surgeries all the time so is it is

02:01:30.920 it plastic surgery is the concept or the

02:01:32.680 boob job yeah it's not well it's I think

02:01:35.320 it's everything I wouldn't even say so like

02:01:37.800 when you think about what he's saying

02:01:39.560 right if you take a woman let's say she was

02:01:42.440 a bad burn victim okay right she goes and

02:01:45.800 yeah she goes and gets you plastic surgery

02:01:47.640 right right the reason he wouldn't probably

02:01:50.040 wouldn't mind that if like there was a burn on

02:01:52.440 the arm and then you know skin grafts and all

02:01:54.600 this and plastic surgery right because

02:01:56.440 really it's prioritizing towards the

02:01:58.040 vanity it's like there's something here

02:02:00.840 I don't prefer it it looks fake it is

02:02:03.080 fake but it's maybe it's sending off

02:02:04.840 other signals at the same time and that's

02:02:06.600 totally understandable I guess like what

02:02:08.600 I'm just curious about more than anything

02:02:10.520 is if you're so focused on the like mental

02:02:14.920 decision factor which is valid that's but I

02:02:16.920 think that's really valid um but if you're

02:02:19.000 focused on that then you find out it's

02:02:21.240 something that isn't the boob job or a burn

02:02:24.360 victim or an extremity but it was just

02:02:25.800 someone who simply was like I don't like

02:02:27.000 my chin here's a chin implant but you can't

02:02:29.480 tell because things like that can appear

02:02:31.880 natural if done expertly yeah I mean again I

02:02:35.880 think it's the degree that one thing that

02:02:39.640 would occur to me is okay well I think both

02:02:42.840 men and women will select partners to some

02:02:45.240 degree based perhaps to a great degree based on

02:02:47.800 physical attractiveness so there's a

02:02:49.560 misrepresentation there and obviously I

02:02:51.320 think one of the reasons whether this is

02:02:53.480 something that's conscious or

02:02:54.440 subconscious the way in which we find

02:02:56.520 people attractive one of the things that's

02:02:58.840 a thought process there is what are our kids

02:03:02.680 gonna look like and so and so if there's

02:03:05.640 some and I think there's been stories about

02:03:07.960 this of people who've had excessive amounts

02:03:10.280 of plastic surgery in Asia there was a guy

02:03:12.920 who sued his wife his wife I think there

02:03:15.400 might have been the story that came out that

02:03:17.080 that that was a hoax okay but it certainly

02:03:19.800 could be the case that the woman's had so

02:03:21.240 much plastic surgery that she's just moving

02:03:24.520 in the world so deceptively that not only is

02:03:27.560 it going to have an impact on your attractiveness

02:03:32.040 to her but if you're looking to have children

02:03:33.960 with her because why do we ultimately find

02:03:38.040 physical beauty attractive and I think aside

02:03:41.000 from our own selfish reasons from physical from from a

02:03:44.920 physical attractiveness level is we're going to

02:03:47.720 have physically attractive children who will

02:03:50.600 be more cape who are will maneuver through the

02:03:52.760 world perhaps better if they're more physically

02:03:54.600 attractive and so I definitely can see that but I

02:03:56.760 guess to go back to my original question yeah I

02:03:59.560 was just curious would that be a big like

02:04:02.600 potential deal breaker or a diversion in a

02:04:05.720 relationship three to six months in because

02:04:07.160 that's a very fragile time where there's

02:04:09.240 emotional involvement but there still can be

02:04:12.680 fallout very frequently from those types of

02:04:15.480 sure like missed signals so would that be a

02:04:18.200 either hard deal breaker or potential deal breaker

02:04:20.920 well the most egregious forms

02:04:24.920 they're probably not going to like that term but

02:04:26.680 the most egregious forms of plastic surgery so I

02:04:29.160 would say uh breast implants bbl and lipo

02:04:33.080 uh guys they're just I have one one tick tock where

02:04:35.320 this guy got his knees and now he's taller just

02:04:37.080 throwing that out there I don't think men should

02:04:39.160 the height yeah but that's so when you're talking

02:04:41.720 about offspring like let's say I fall in love

02:04:43.400 with this guy thinking right six feet tall no

02:04:45.320 but then I get then I get your type wait what oh no

02:04:49.320 but I I if if that if a woman objected to a man

02:04:53.880 uh because women are attracted to tall men they

02:04:57.640 hope that their children mind I don't think that I

02:04:59.240 I don't know if I would oh you wouldn't mind I

02:05:00.680 here's the thing I think men I'm not having to marry my

02:05:03.000 kids so I don't know that I would care like I

02:05:05.160 would I would actually argue though that that

02:05:07.480 women like if you found out a guy had I think

02:05:10.360 plastic surgery is far less accepted in men than

02:05:12.680 it is in women so for example uh and I

02:05:15.480 there's obviously different uh cosmetic surgeries

02:05:18.600 that men undergo but like the one I could maybe

02:05:21.000 think of is like what if a guy and it it frankly

02:05:23.800 doesn't look realistic at all but they get the

02:05:25.720 injections yeah their arms yeah Mason do you know

02:05:29.560 what it's called I don't know what it's called but

02:05:30.920 essentially oil they they inject it into your biceps

02:05:33.960 so your arms look bigger yeah there's also the the

02:05:36.200 thing or just the implants they've got actually

02:05:37.800 implants yeah and I there's this old like 20 year

02:05:40.920 old MTV documentary where this guy was insecure about

02:05:44.200 his calves yeah I saw it I saw it I forgot what that

02:05:47.640 show was called I can't remember what it was but I'm

02:05:50.840 sure a lot of women would like clown on that like you got

02:05:53.480 fucking I don't know that I would clown it I don't

02:05:55.640 know that I would necessarily know when I saw it but

02:05:57.400 when I saw it I would be like yeah but but to go back to your

02:06:01.560 point like the most egregious one so for me I think that's I mean maybe

02:06:04.600 there's a few the type of surgery seems to be a factor for you which makes sense

02:06:07.560 yeah I mean if she's had like if she had

02:06:10.120 had a deviated septum and got a rhinoplasty I well first off that would be

02:06:13.800 medically indicated and that's not even on that table then but yeah

02:06:16.760 and that's a fairly the the shift the shift even if it's a cosmetic

02:06:21.160 rhinoplasty yeah the the actual change in your

02:06:24.120 physical appearance isn't that significant but like

02:06:27.240 when it comes to fake tits bbl lipo I think I think it's probably in the

02:06:32.920 order of bbl being the most invasive uh that would be what about teeth

02:06:39.080 everyone's getting their teeth now those two years yeah I don't I don't like that one

02:06:45.000 that would make me mad I don't know about the knee thing so much but if

02:06:47.640 if I don't know that you had that I didn't have that choice I would want to

02:06:50.440 know don't they have to grind your teeth down sometimes they do sometimes they

02:06:53.480 don't it they have different ways of doing it I believe are you suggesting

02:06:56.760 like like uh uh like braces or oh wait what I don't know but I guess

02:07:02.680 braces is kind of the same thing though but you can't make them white when

02:07:05.480 they're like not white it's more more akin to like getting a bone set right

02:07:09.720 I just don't think I would get in I mean I don't want to say it's a hundred

02:07:13.400 percent a deal breaker because I mean I would have to meet the woman and

02:07:19.080 she's wonderful but she had had or has fake breasts but um I mean I just

02:07:27.080 think it's there's a lot of fish in the sea and just somebody who has plastic

02:07:33.160 surgery it's a sub-optimal dating choice right it's not a hundred percent a

02:07:38.200 deal breaker but like generally speaking I certainly don't gravitate

02:07:42.280 gravitate towards women with like bbls and and fake tits like I much prefer like I'd

02:07:47.080 much prefer a girl who has like an a cup than like big fake titties

02:07:51.320 so yeah that's totally you're right I just I guess I was just curious because

02:07:56.040 you seemed to be really invested in the mental part of making that decision

02:08:00.040 and that and like I said I can see the validity in that I mean I'm I'm pro do

02:08:04.360 whatever the hell you want like if you want plastic surgery get it you know in

02:08:07.480 terms for me and it wouldn't be too much of a deal breaker like if I found out I

02:08:11.560 was dating a man who got like hairline surgery or like the roots like for me that

02:08:17.000 wouldn't be a deal breaker either um or things like that I just because I

02:08:21.960 just think like if you want to do something to

02:08:24.440 um make you feel better or improve yourself that's your right

02:08:27.720 but it's also your right to choose not to date someone if they did that for

02:08:30.920 whatever reason well I think I think we as men have a duty

02:08:36.680 to uh because I I think both men and women but more so women have been

02:08:42.920 sold this lie by advertisers that you ought to look a certain way

02:08:47.640 you need to buy a certain foundation and a certain lip gloss

02:08:51.080 and this you need to you know get look like Kim Kardashian you need to have

02:08:57.080 this hourglass figure whatever I think advertisers have women chasing a

02:09:02.680 aesthetic and a physique that is very costly or just not attainable and uh

02:09:08.600 I think we as men have a duty to fight back against the corporate greed from

02:09:13.640 the cosmetic industry and the I suspect the billion dollar uh plastic surgery

02:09:19.800 industry because we as men are protectors and I think

02:09:23.080 protection doesn't just just mean like some immediate physical threat but also

02:09:28.200 threats of mind and body not just immediate um

02:09:32.360 like not just an immediate threat if somebody's trying to mug you

02:09:35.000 but like okay how is the world trying to to damage women to the point where

02:09:41.880 they feel compelled to go under anesthesia get these dangerous and unnecessary

02:09:46.680 unnecessary and expensive medical procedures uh for purely aesthetic and

02:09:52.040 cosmetic and uh vanity reasons so I think we as men have a duty to uh

02:09:57.160 protect women from me let me ask you something now and I'm just curious yeah

02:10:01.400 sure let's say you had a daughter and she was a four a hard looks like a four

02:10:07.240 yeah she was a four and she had really low self-confidence

02:10:10.920 okay and it was like eating her up and you knew through a series of cosmetic

02:10:16.280 surgery that that would increase her to like a seven or an eight okay and her

02:10:20.760 confidence would shoot up and she'd be more likely to attract a mate

02:10:24.600 right like a good high status mate with plastic surgery yeah well if it shot her up to a

02:10:30.280 seven or an eight her mind would still be a four would you would you recommend

02:10:35.400 that she well no no that that i don't know there's a lot of women a lot of

02:10:40.520 women i've met who've had a bunch of work and

02:10:42.520 suddenly they think they're hot but let's just say you know it

02:10:46.120 shoots her up to a seven or an eight would you recommend she do it

02:10:49.400 if she came to you and said well you know i have confidence issues this kind of

02:10:52.600 thing it's not clear to me though if

02:10:56.760 because that it would shoot her up to a seven or eight well not even that but

02:11:01.880 like it would fix her confidence like a girl who's a four but she has fake titties

02:11:09.640 is still a four yeah but she was able to get a system of um she got different types of plastic

02:11:15.240 but i don't know maybe i just have maybe and maybe i have a different view but i've asked a lot of men on

02:11:20.920 the show like i think most like lip filler looks bad fake tits i i don't know it doesn't look i don't

02:11:29.800 really like it whatever um i just i don't know like the the lipo belly does not i'd prefer a girl

02:11:36.600 with a little belly fat than lipo belly it looks weird like and these girls that i don't know if

02:11:42.440 there's a procedure to something in the would you so you would kind of like tell her stay a four

02:11:46.600 you think would i or would i tell her i don't know he's necessarily rating his daughter i would

02:11:52.920 say first off i intend to to uh to breed with with a uh yeah i get it very attractive i get it

02:12:01.720 um no no but uh i would encourage her that that there will be a man who will find her beautiful and

02:12:10.840 attractive and sexy the way she is and not to do any of that and you don't need to do

02:12:17.080 any of that and yeah i think that's the right i mean and i i what i would say what i would say

02:12:22.120 also is hey uh you can make yourself more physically attractive uh get in the gym like that's what i

02:12:29.480 was about to get get like a nice you can get a very attractive body i mean face there's not much you

02:12:34.840 can do but uh obviously grooming hygiene but get in the gym i mean because you know what's crazy is

02:12:40.520 i know you i know you want to come in mason i'll just finish this really quick a lot of women spend

02:12:45.320 so much time on their beauty through like makeup and getting manicures and all this stuff and they

02:12:50.920 spend a lot of money like buying makeup and shit and i think like you you could order you could improve

02:12:58.760 your physical attractiveness orders of magnitude more and probably spend less money by just going

02:13:07.320 to the gym like you you guys want to cheat with your beauty you want to cheat and let me just put on

02:13:12.520 the face of makeup no just like get in the gym like you say cheat with beauty as if well the gym is the

02:13:20.200 only thing that can make you beautiful well the the gym is probably the most powerful tool that can

02:13:24.920 make you beautiful like so personally no no just so personally well just like so before i started

02:13:31.160 getting really into the gym i would say i was probably around like i was pretty average like

02:13:38.440 five and a half six i mean i i got an okay looking face i'm an average looking dude but then when i got

02:13:45.000 in the gym like all of a sudden that just changed double bicep can we see double bicep

02:13:50.920 hercules myron i just but oh sorry oh yeah so yeah and i think so with the gym comes i think

02:14:01.320 something subconscious that happens in someone who sees somebody that goes to the gym but like when

02:14:06.840 i'm sitting in the gym and let's say i'm sitting in this honesty room and i'm like relaxing and i'm

02:14:10.200 sitting so guy who's got a physique like you and i look down in his toenail and it looks like haggardly

02:14:15.240 haggard i don't give a f about his potty okay yeah it kind of well well so we're missing okay

02:14:22.120 we're missing the point so okay well think about it this way you go to the gym and not have their

02:14:28.040 disgusting toenails right so okay so generally when like so if we're gonna speak in like the majority

02:14:35.560 of cases so someone a population of people that go to the gym there is something subconscious that

02:14:41.560 happens in people who see them where like they earn well okay go to the gym by looking at them

02:14:47.320 you wouldn't look at me and be like oh she goes well okay no that's true we wouldn't that's true

02:14:51.080 but i do so no okay but so people who who go to the gym follow a a well-designed program no no i

02:15:01.560 didn't think okay yeah but absolutely there is something about like you should because i don't

02:15:07.080 right but that's the point you're supposed to be able to tell because i don't look it's not the way

02:15:11.160 it's the energy you're literally your skin what the fuck it's the it's your skin it wouldn't be just

02:15:15.320 like your physique because i see dad bottles all kinds of different bodies that go to the gym 100

02:15:19.320 i can tell by just like the way you're moving the way you're carrying yourself your skin radiate it's

02:15:24.200 not i don't know what any of that means well that's some of the things that come from the gym as

02:15:28.280 well when you're like if i go out the sweat clears out your your skin you're going to have more

02:15:33.160 radiance okay okay this goes this goes exactly into my point so there's something that is hard

02:15:40.520 earned by putting in hard work so when you go to the gym i do like gym i get what you're saying

02:15:45.480 exactly when i go to the gym i'm like so okay their mindset is like in a better place well yeah so

02:15:49.560 obviously yeah i mean just mindset alone it's like one and a half times more effective than uh

02:15:55.800 drugs happier people exactly i agree so the gym provides all of these positive benefits

02:16:01.000 you don't have to call it the gym okay so uh yeah working out so it provides all of these benefits

02:16:07.080 like just simply cosmetically as well like and so your attitude your confidence you do stuff that is

02:16:14.200 difficult to do like that that you people perceive that and they see it and that is something that's

02:16:21.160 hard earned and there's something subconscious that happens in somebody where if i was to look at

02:16:26.360 somebody who bought all of their physical attributes so bbl lipo those people are in the

02:16:32.200 gym too well okay so so but somebody who's doing that generally is like okay i want to get this quick

02:16:39.320 i just want to solve this problem immediately or they think that's not something they can attain

02:16:43.240 like some people just are not going to have ass they're cheating some people are just not

02:16:47.240 going to have lips you can't work your lips out well well they're so be happy with your lip

02:16:52.360 be happy with your small you should be happy with your body and just try to be healthy it always

02:16:55.720 kind of moves towards anytime we're talking these generalities kind of moves towards an extreme

02:17:01.080 towards the outlier it's always a move towards the outlier it's like so the general population

02:17:05.720 to not kind of engage with what's being said it's like obviously the spirit of what's being said is

02:17:11.720 if you go to the gym for most people it's going to improve your appearance i don't think anybody's

02:17:15.960 going to disagree with that right yeah because even if it's not necessarily about weight loss you know

02:17:19.640 muscle muscle distribution like your ability to be more active like there are other factors

02:17:25.400 um i think a healthy way of looking at going to the gym is just about inconsistent yeah consistent

02:17:32.600 maintenance like yeah maybe if you have goals for weight loss great then that's what you should do also

02:17:37.560 another thing with the whole plastic surgery thing is like if this is going to be a long-term

02:17:41.960 partner and if she's expecting you to provide like this is going to be a much higher maintenance woman

02:17:47.240 than a woman who is not particularly vain the upkeep on her is going to be much higher for

02:17:52.120 example my understanding when it comes to breast implants for example you're going to need those

02:17:56.120 replaced i think at minimum two or three times in your lifetime so that's you're going to need

02:18:02.040 aren't you the 50 50 guy huh don't you go 50 50 on dates well that that chick is not going on a

02:18:07.880 date with you brian what are you talking anyways like she's just not going to go on a date with you

02:18:10.840 anyways you don't worry about her maintenance because she's already going to know from date number

02:18:14.040 one i'm fine with 50 50 but i'm also fine she's not going to be not if she's got to get breast

02:18:18.280 implants every five years she's going to look for someone who's going to pay for everything which

02:18:21.240 is precisely why i would i even but even if i was against let's let's say i was inclined and i do

02:18:27.480 think i'm i actually am okay like i'd be okay with a stay-at-home wife but i would also be okay if

02:18:35.400 she wanted to work and i would be okay with that uh however should i sorry i lost my point i lost my

02:18:41.960 train of thought so oh she she would be high maintenance right so okay so what's the cost of

02:18:47.400 a you know you need to get the breast redone okay that's 10 000 a pop and then she's going to want

02:18:52.600 other shit she's going to want like i don't give a fuck you know like for me for a girl you don't need

02:18:57.480 fake nails you don't need to wear makeup you don't need any plastic surgery you don't need to wear

02:19:01.720 perfume you don't need like nothing do not give a fuck i don't like perfume what is that about

02:19:06.600 i kind of i don't like i don't like the scent it's it can be overpowering like the pheromones

02:19:11.880 are more attractive no it's just i don't like it first off you're gonna have pheromones or perfume

02:19:16.760 so what do you mean no wait what pheromones are like your natural body smell i don't even no no

02:19:22.680 he's not talking about things like women wearing deodorant things like that he deodorant talking

02:19:27.240 he's talking about like whore musk you know what i mean no what is whore musk whore musk

02:19:31.960 it's like i just don't like perfume you walk so you're walking through actually this happens at

02:19:36.040 restaurants i'm not talking perfume yeah yeah i got you yeah you'll be walking through you'll be

02:19:39.240 walking through a restaurant everyone didn't hear the story you're just put off by the strong

02:19:43.560 there's some chick will walk and you'll be like allergies so she's instantly i have allergies it

02:19:48.040 tends to linger that's whore musk i don't like the smell that's whore musk because she's a woman

02:19:51.240 and she's got a smell no no no no it's the perfume there's a specific perfume saying that if they put

02:19:57.800 like too much yeah he's saying at all he don't want it i don't know i don't want any perfume look

02:20:02.920 obviously grooming hygiene very important if you deodorant's fine but i do not like uh i don't like

02:20:09.480 perfume let's talk a little bit about um let's talk a little bit about personality traits though i've

02:20:14.600 talked a lot about physical so uh let's see i like women with well this is kind of physical women with

02:20:20.040 nice voices i like uh i like women with soft nice pleasant okay soft pleasant voices uh let's see

02:20:28.600 oh personality okay uh ma i would say moderate preference for introverted women quiet calm soft

02:20:34.760 spoken a little bit shy a little bit nerdy modesty is huge i don't like women with like big big egos

02:20:41.240 who are super vain divas gotta be the main character what's that gotta be the main character me no i'm

02:20:47.480 saying like women who want to be the main yeah main character syndrome brings me peace doesn't

02:20:52.600 quarrel doesn't party doesn't drink doesn't do drugs doesn't go to bars or clubs low body count

02:20:57.400 no current or past promiscuity undivided romantic and sexual attention the earlier the better uh

02:21:04.680 i for some reason i wrote down has a praise king isn't that a mark of promiscuity though

02:21:09.320 wait what is if if you they give you the undivided sexual attention and they do it quickly

02:21:14.920 no i meant well undivided so it's not it's not so much the the rapidity with which they give it

02:21:20.040 but when i say undivided romantic and sexual attention with that that's more so pointing towards

02:21:25.160 they're not giving it to other guys anybody but him at the first time and there's not much talking

02:21:30.600 phases immediately he's the unicorn even even if i haven't met her so it's like the assumption is that

02:21:36.600 like most women will give their attention to multiple guys he just wants a girl that will give it

02:21:41.000 like one at a time yes essentially yes but if she sleeps with you early on isn't that a good

02:21:47.160 it's a good signal it could it could it's like if you had to guess if you had to guess no well

02:21:53.240 actually i don't actually think i actually don't think the quickness with which a woman sleeps with

02:21:59.960 you necessarily is an indicator yeah i get it necessarily promiscuity yeah i get necessarily but

02:22:05.960 if you had to bet but in the general population comparing say a woman who sleeps with you on the

02:22:10.520 first date versus a woman who does it by the second even does it by the second yeah even if they do it

02:22:17.400 by the second like if you were to bet about if you were to take bets on the women who won't sleep with

02:22:22.440 a man over an elongated period of time versus those who jump right into bed with them very quickly if you

02:22:27.720 had to bet on the past promiscuity you would say that it would be yes it would definitely be more

02:22:33.000 likely it would be more likely but uh yeah you know uh let's see what else uh we're still doing

02:22:40.920 your preferences yeah yeah so there's a long list um let's see oh a girl who helps me in my mission

02:22:46.920 a girl who's attentive a girl who scratches my back are you advertising right now or is this

02:22:51.000 related no this is an extended dating profile he had his written down i'm not that picky though i'm

02:22:56.920 really not that picky i you know i'm not i'm not that big all right let me read a couple chats here

02:23:01.960 i gotta read a couple chats we have oh we love crannix salute to the true hero of this podcast the

02:23:08.360 hardest working and long-suffering the chad the one the only the absolute unit of a chair

02:23:14.360 hi who's that i don't care what chair my chair i did that totally whooshed over okay all right

02:23:24.520 all right crannix all right um we have steven really good chairs in here steven are they they're

02:23:29.800 okay uh steven carrera no such thing as ethical s work the the women and the worldviews caused by

02:23:36.280 indoctrination and brainwashing via the global satanic death cult okay these women need jesus and

02:23:44.280 andrew you are a warrior of truth christ is king fortunately he stepped out yeah here for a sec

02:23:48.920 but i'll let them know you said that thank you uh steven carrera uh save that one and then we have

02:23:55.880 octo kind lady aren't your dating preferences themselves based off of the consequences of

02:24:01.560 those actions oh i guess that's directed to you i can look at the consequences of it without

02:24:08.600 saying that it has to do with morality like you could be a consequentialist with something outside

02:24:12.440 of course ethics you don't even know what i'm talking about yeah this is too this is too big

02:24:16.360 changing shirts big brain for me i don't you've gotten to three different outfits during their

02:24:20.520 living yeah all right we have goblin here what in the gore lock be careful she might eat the hoe next

02:24:26.040 what oh i hope you're talking about me because i'm hungry what are you are you just playing dumb

02:24:32.120 on his life what are you playing dumb on purpose what do you mean playing down they meant hostess

02:24:36.840 yes wait what like they're not even they're talking about me anyways i'm the hungry one

02:24:43.320 no don't shoot the messenger this is actually a little bit i'm like lost in the head sometimes

02:24:48.680 what the fuck madison how you gonna throw me under the bus like that no i'm supporting oh okay

02:24:53.160 you're supporting me wait lost about what by killing him he's special i love that don't shoot

02:25:01.000 the messenger i'm i'm forced to read these yes you are but i mean i don't like i said i don't engage

02:25:06.360 with people that are that's funny to misunderstanding me wait me no the commenter oh my god sorry i'm

02:25:13.560 like if if they'll if all someone i have a room temperature iq okay it's like a gross fat person

02:25:18.360 i have no interest it's kind of like trying to prove my humanity or like prove my existence or my

02:25:24.920 worth because i know my worth so yeah yeah i mean you got to read your free chipper chats they paid you

02:25:29.880 a good job period funds the show right period i have a button i mean i i'd have to care to be

02:25:36.280 offended more is there more i'd have to be i'd have to care to be offended i like it when they leave

02:25:40.520 messages it's fuck i can't find whatever hey andrew this one came up uh andrew you are a warrior of

02:25:47.800 truth christ is king uh yeah king of kings boom and lord of lords boom i'm not getting into a contest

02:25:56.120 dude all right i'm just finishing the bible verse i got some questions wait what oh yeah we'll do

02:26:03.800 twitch guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a five follow and a prime sub hey madison can you uh

02:26:10.360 thank all of those followers or sorry not the the primes you know thank you for the why the name's so

02:26:17.400 weird like how do i you got it you got it you got this like thank you for the prime oh wait that was

02:26:23.560 this yeah that was a tier one bring your wishes thank you for the prime in angel of war thank you

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02:26:35.720 you for the prime jorm thank you for the prime shadow thank you for the tier one thank you guys

02:26:40.760 twitch.tv slash whatever drops a follow drops a prime sub i had a question i want to go around on this

02:26:45.720 does anybody here have or previously have had a roster oh god oh yeah yeah especially when i was

02:26:53.000 i i had so i didn't really go to college but when i was 27 i had like what i would consider my party

02:26:59.560 phase absolutely party phase yeah i went to like um different like bbw parties in uh when i was

02:27:09.080 in georgia okay i got some notes on that i think um what's uh what's bbw that stands for big beautiful

02:27:15.480 woman it was originally started as a porn category and eventually was co-opted as just like an

02:27:20.360 a diet uh an identifier that fat women some fat women use i used to i don't anymore they have

02:27:25.880 parties for that um well like people who are them and people who like them yeah okay so uh you had a

02:27:33.160 roster so what uh what was the size of the roster depended um into the point where i got i got oh it

02:27:41.400 depended on the on the situation in the beginning it was a bit longer but um like when i was living in

02:27:48.200 georgia at the time i had my own place were you in atlanta uh close i was like north metro atlanta

02:27:53.400 like all right on the outskirts yeah but i would go down to different events in the atlanta area

02:27:58.760 um all the time but um yeah i was like it was during my first breakup like i mentioned me and

02:28:06.200 my ex who broke up for nine months that was during 2019 and um well so what that was like when i first

02:28:12.520 really co-opted like i mentioned earlier the get under to get over it didn't work the first time

02:28:17.480 so i don't know why i tried it again well how big how big was the roster two guys three guys four

02:28:22.280 guys a couple you said you're bi right so maybe a couple yeah i mean well that was when i explored

02:28:26.760 my sexuality yeah so i i did hook up with a couple girls um but uh

02:28:32.840 uh yeah five guys

02:28:39.240 this i would say i would probably say it was anywhere between like what madison what are you

02:28:45.880 doing i'm just like getting delusional no i haven't had much to eat today there's whatever cookies over

02:28:53.160 there thank you there's still yeah i mean there was a few people but for me it was more like

02:28:58.040 situationship um but i was i was just kind of like way too casual i was i was but hey i was like

02:29:05.640 doing stuff that i would never do now i had my moment i learned my what was your moment what is your

02:29:12.040 moment um well so some of the parties were like regular parties but some of them were swinger parties

02:29:16.840 okay how was that fun but problematic that's the best way to answer it shortly well how many how

02:29:24.600 many uh because i in my notes here you i think you mentioned bbw poly parties sex parties um how

02:29:32.360 many of these parties would you say you went to just a couple or like regularly over the span of six

02:29:37.640 months when i was in the thick of it they had basically parties every other weekend okay and you

02:29:42.840 would go pretty much for about at least four months i did four months i mean i didn't always do something

02:29:48.280 at the party but you'd go but it would depend like on if i had invited people i was i already knew

02:29:53.720 there or if i met someone yeah whatever happened at these parties do people typically just like will

02:29:58.920 they hook up maybe they don't hook up at all but if they do hook up is it with just one person or will

02:30:03.560 they like sleep with like multiple people like for example you did you ever hook up with like

02:30:09.400 two dudes in the night or three dudes in the night yeah more yeah more i there's a specific high

02:30:19.160 number for the the most i did in one night but let's hear it um you got it i haven't talked about

02:30:26.840 this stuff in such a long time you got it i just want to before i go into this topic i do want to

02:30:32.040 say this isn't who i currently am totally talking about a pastor to myself that totally fine would

02:30:37.400 not make these decisions now but at one night 10. was that like an intentional goal like you went in

02:30:43.960 no it actually was kind of accidental i just like i was i was very laissez-faire about life

02:30:48.760 at the time and yeah um it was something where i had been like i felt very repressed and like my first

02:30:57.320 real relationship lasted eight years i had one before that but it only lasted five months and so

02:31:03.960 when we are at the time i'm sorry it would have been about six but six years but after your eight

02:31:09.320 year relationship ended or in the middle so i had two i had we broke up for nine months oh and then

02:31:15.960 when we got back together and we broke up officially that was like in 2021 okay how does that well how

02:31:21.800 does that happen like honestly how does that you just i'm depressed i'm gonna go get involved in

02:31:28.120 like i don't i mean i was i was i self-actualized in the moment about that not really it was just more

02:31:35.000 like you know very repressed childhood didn't i never really let myself go crazy and i i basically

02:31:42.680 let myself like like have my wild fun free because i was in an environment where i kind of felt like i

02:31:49.160 was not only supported but like really wanted desired which um i had had experienced obviously because i

02:31:57.640 i met in a relationship but not in like that type of casual way and so i got invited into it by

02:32:04.680 someone and um i didn't know what i was getting into it's kind of felt good though to have that

02:32:10.520 accepted and like you come back i met people who like i'm still friends with like i met people who

02:32:16.440 are they still in that scene most of them have walked away because once you're in it for a little

02:32:21.480 bit you do like start to really not only see the toxicity around you but within yourself and um it

02:32:29.080 took me going through a couple other things post this experience that made me realize that like i was

02:32:34.440 chasing like a high like i was using sex in ways that weren't healthy and like it made me self-reflect

02:32:44.200 it made me change if you could go back now would you do would you do the same thing i've thought

02:32:50.760 about that question a lot now honestly i think i would because i am the kind of person to live my

02:32:58.200 life with no regrets and i believe that everything i've been through everything i've done and every

02:33:02.840 decision i've made has led me to where like who i am at my heart as of today and while i wish i could

02:33:08.200 have done things better and i could have had better results in certain aspects of my life i love myself

02:33:13.960 and i love who i am and i i sorry i'm not laughing at you okay and just um and i i love

02:33:21.800 how i can turn but is it a regret and again that's one of those things where it's a yes and it's like

02:33:30.680 i don't want to have like i understand the mindset of yeah i want to live as though nothing is a less

02:33:36.040 reckless way let's say that i wish i could have learned certain lessons in a less reckless way because

02:33:41.080 i feel like i was reckless i was recklessly dating i was recklessly like living i was i was at that

02:33:48.760 point in my life in in that situation that's not how everybody was in those scenes but that's how i

02:33:55.320 was so what you said you would do it again i would i i'm the kind of person where like i wouldn't want

02:34:01.160 to go back and change anything about my life because i want to be who i am well that's kind of entailed and

02:34:09.080 you would do it again you said you would do it again yes so how so i'm just curious because you

02:34:14.680 said you're not that person anymore yeah so where's the nuance in that she's not saying that she would

02:34:19.480 do it now she's saying the person that she has become today and the reason why she might not choose

02:34:23.080 to do it anymore is because she already had that experience and she decided it's not something she

02:34:27.000 moves forward with and i learned life lessons from it and that is i i've lived my life being the kind

02:34:33.880 of person that has to um learn from my own mistakes and learn from doing things and i struggle i feel

02:34:43.560 like for things to fully click or land until i've experienced them for myself do you think it's a

02:34:49.560 healthy process though to so i understand the mindset of saying live live without regret right you can't

02:34:56.360 dwell on regrets that's true yeah right eventually people have to move forward from things that they've

02:35:00.120 done they've this and that but is it also though still healthy to have things that you regret isn't

02:35:06.760 that how you progress yes and that's what i'm saying because like i mean do i regret the recklessness

02:35:12.200 yes but yeah i don't like to dwell on them and i try to live on the the thing of like i don't want

02:35:19.400 to hold shame within regret maybe that's what i'm trying to say regret is so negative like yeah

02:35:24.520 can it be something like a lesson learned like for instance i hear what you're saying and there's

02:35:28.920 definitely things where i'm like dang like that probably wasn't the best choice or yeah if it

02:35:32.120 presented itself right now i would definitely choose different but acknowledging that what

02:35:37.160 had happened in the past made me who i am today made me as strong as i am today or made me as

02:35:42.040 softer whatever the positives were that had to happen to be who i am today so i can but it probably

02:35:47.560 instead of regret maybe just respect well i think that it happened so this might be like a difference in

02:35:52.360 worldview too but i think that regrets are necessary for us to move forward in life and here's what i mean

02:35:58.760 by this okay i mean that you should look on some of the things you've done in life in a negative way

02:36:05.640 for yourself and negatively view yourself for having done those things and that's the only way to

02:36:10.920 reconcile them to move on from them yeah we definitely and i definitely disagree in that but i also

02:36:15.880 um i'm i was raised really really um religious and i know that that's part of um the religious

02:36:21.400 standpoint is that you know sins and well well it's actually kind of but there is absolution

02:36:29.000 right but absolution comes with a confrontation that the thing you did was wrong and it should

02:36:34.920 never be repeated and you know it was wrong that's where absolutely sure but how acknowledging something

02:36:39.720 is wrong and regret are not necessarily the same things and how do you know it's wrong with if you

02:36:45.160 don't regret it you can look at the outcome of it you can look at the intention with of what you know

02:36:50.200 your action was i i'm the person i'm the type of person who believes in positive negative and so

02:36:54.360 i'll look at more of the intention of it and lesson learned is still going to happen um but i don't

02:36:58.920 need to look at it necessarily as a negative to make it be something that i learned that feels like

02:37:05.320 it's just a way to avoid responsibility you say avoid but i still learn from that yeah but it's still

02:37:11.400 by saying like um there's no real this is negative but i don't regret it this is negative but

02:37:17.480 it wasn't bad this is negative no one said it wasn't bad well bad's a moral claim so that's why

02:37:22.120 we said the word bad so i'll try to use a different word yeah okay but what you're saying is i don't

02:37:27.160 regret this thing there was a negative outcome and so i'll avoid it in the future but there's no regret

02:37:31.960 what i'm saying is that that would from my perspective stimmy the growth so the way that you grow as a

02:37:38.440 person is to actually focus on the things that you have done which are incorrect it could be bad

02:37:44.520 otherwise you can't actually repent for those things in order to move forward in your life

02:37:48.600 there's something to be said about the fact that we're still humans and this is the human experience

02:37:52.120 we're growing and we're learning yeah so there's gonna be right so there's gonna be an amount of

02:37:57.000 yeah you're gonna make a mistake yep to for me personally if i harbor regret i'm living in the

02:38:03.480 past i'm living living in the present and me living in the past gives me anxiety it it it doesn't

02:38:08.680 allow but it's supposed to that's the point so i think i think what has to happen is you have to

02:38:13.560 come to the position where i regret that decision i'm doing that moral i i'm just doing that battle

02:38:19.880 within myself like sussing out what was good about the situation what was bad but then after you do all

02:38:26.600 of that work then you can move up move on but when someone asks you about that point in your life where

02:38:32.600 you made that regretful decision you can discuss with them this is what i sussed out this is how i

02:38:38.760 worked through it and that this is how it has led me to where i am right now for me when i think about

02:38:43.480 the word regret i think about something but when i think about the word regret i think about something

02:38:47.960 where i wish this didn't happen that's what i was trying to say and the problem is is that when i say

02:38:52.360 i wish this didn't happen i don't acknowledge of what i learned from it yeah but if you if you know

02:38:57.000 it's not that i wish this didn't happen it's an acknowledgement that's what regret would i did

02:39:01.080 this and it was yeah me too that's my understanding yeah i did this and it was wrong and that's why i

02:39:06.600 regret it well i also don't believe in wrong i believe in positive and that's and that's what i

02:39:10.280 said right so for me from my perspective it looks like a way to avoid responsibility by saying i didn't

02:39:15.720 do anything wrong not no no absolutely not i think that but then what you just said so you only believe

02:39:22.680 in positive it wasn't about doing something wrong right it's like okay so let's say

02:39:26.840 for instance something i called a regret in my past was i had this big crush on this guy when

02:39:31.160 i was in mexico on a vacation and we're underneath the waterfall and i could have kissed him and i

02:39:34.360 didn't and i look back and like i regret that i didn't just make that move i was scared i regret

02:39:38.200 and what i took from that is okay when i have a moment that i want to do better i um will make that

02:39:44.200 jump i will not be scared and i will have the confidence to do that and i told myself i don't ever

02:39:47.960 want to have regret again because it doesn't feel good to have that sort of thing and so i would look at

02:39:52.760 it instead as like okay that was a moment that i wasn't at this level i had to learn to

02:39:57.320 become this level and now i am who i am today yeah so i think i think we're talking like if you're

02:40:03.800 talking about a level of regret it could be scalable so there could be things yes so there could be

02:40:08.920 things that i regret like um maybe i die and say i regret not climbing mount everest right yeah but i

02:40:14.520 think that the things that stick in our brain for the things that we regret the most generally

02:40:19.320 coexist with things that we knew we were doing in the time which was wrong you know what i mean

02:40:24.600 and those tend to be the things that we actually dwell on and that's again of those in my mind

02:40:29.080 like what i'm trying to think back like you're all right because you only believe in positive

02:40:32.040 and negatives yeah so that's that's why when i think about something like oh like but that's why

02:40:36.360 i could have done something better i shouldn't have said this or done this i think okay well you

02:40:40.440 were in a place where clearly you didn't know or you didn't make that assessment now you do know all

02:40:44.920 you can do for it now is make it better now if you don't make it better then you're not choosing to

02:40:48.600 be living in your most positive aspect and that will be something you won't necessarily agree on

02:40:53.880 there but i want to live at my highest vibrational um level which means that i'm going to be positive

02:40:58.200 to people the energy that put out i'm going to expect to receive which means that genuinely i'm going

02:41:02.200 to not try to do bad things on to others because i know that's going to come back to me tenfold i need

02:41:06.600 to move on just so i can get through my notes here but uh let's see we had well i do want to come back

02:41:11.160 really quick to the whole bbw poly party sex party thing of course you do so uh

02:41:21.160 tell us i mean there's i mean i'm not really one to get super salacious on the internet about

02:41:26.920 specifics shoot but he wants an invite i think yeah oh yeah i think that's what i'm gonna i do he

02:41:33.000 definitely seems to be the type into bbws rsvp just the this is the sex party part yeah oh i mean they

02:41:39.320 they have them for all types all types of people i would i would actually never go to a

02:41:44.280 sex party no matter how attractive the women were that's degenerate party just for you just

02:41:50.440 all asian pt women with no oh just for me i mean i could get behind that one at that point

02:41:56.600 that's just an orgy i can get behind that but like if it's like swingers and like you don't

02:42:02.520 want anybody to watch you no i get all the women to myself yeah sure i'll take that never never going

02:42:09.240 to happen but i'll gladly take it um okay so so you would uh you went to a bunch of these parties

02:42:17.160 over the course of a couple months um now when you said there were you did 10 in a night would it be

02:42:22.600 like what was it group sex or would it be like one after the other and it was like individual sex okay

02:42:29.080 good good times good times in a very like rapid physical way yeah okay all right and let's see

02:42:40.440 uh well the original question was the roster thing so we're going around the table uh do do you have

02:42:45.560 or have you ever excuse me do you currently have or have you ever had a roster no i'm like disgustingly

02:42:52.760 mono amorous i get like tunnel vision on the first day and i'll like delete dating apps if i like someone

02:42:56.840 okay so annoying um i am similar and i'm trying oh sorry how's it annoying knowing that i do that

02:43:03.400 as well oh like i hyper focus like a ton of a tunnel vision someone um which i've actually had to get

02:43:08.760 out of doing um because dating okay just go ahead just go ahead oh sorry they just say you shouldn't

02:43:14.200 do that so i've been trying not roster roster roster i i i tend not to have a roster no okay what about

02:43:19.880 you no what if please speak into the mic if you can no and the guys don't need to answer i don't

02:43:26.520 handle that right of course so is that across the board yes is that what that is and i will say i

02:43:32.520 definitely don't feel like my my like future slash current goals are not roster based like in fact the

02:43:38.600 people that i've had like situationally they fizzled out because i've kind of just

02:43:43.000 i'm just not interested in that anymore i'm looking for like a completely different dating

02:43:49.080 experience that's just like where i was once at okay got it and let me get into some of my notes

02:43:54.920 here finally so uh let's see uh okay you said you had some insane stories to tell us rosie is this

02:44:03.640 related to the bbw sex winger groups or yeah i mean like yeah like with the group sex and stuff like

02:44:10.360 um nick could you close that door but i the rest of the world doesn't need to hear this

02:44:17.160 more or less i mean it seems like the the audience here is pretty not interested in

02:44:23.000 hearing about those types of things they might be no this audience they might be they're going

02:44:26.680 to be out there because the door was open it's just getting cold that's why it's cold the young

02:44:33.720 children yeah the young children outside don't need to hear this that's all i'm saying

02:44:37.080 yeah well i just think that

02:44:43.640 i'm trying to think because i probably should have thought this more thoroughly because i was

02:44:46.920 thinking about like i mentioned some of those different dating experiences but like i mean i met

02:44:50.840 people who i like during that time the closest thing i had to a relationship because i was like

02:44:56.680 extremely emotionally unavailable was someone that i met through um what they called like the vanilla

02:45:03.320 parties which were like the non-sex parties um and um he ended up like going to them and stuff and

02:45:12.120 we would hook up probably like you know a few times a week i'd say and like once he and i became

02:45:18.760 more of a thing i like back down to the parties and then some stuff started coming up and i started

02:45:24.360 really understanding like the dynamics of the parties and like how kind of predatory and weird they were

02:45:29.880 set up and i started waking up to like basically realizing what i was doing because i was i at the

02:45:35.320 time i was living my life on autopilot and i was just kind of like yeah yeah whatever like nothing

02:45:40.840 matters type attitude towards everything so um once i started like thinking things through and then i

02:45:50.920 was like slowly backing out of the parties and then something um like major like personally in my life

02:45:56.040 happen that had me completely back out of it okay um you said in your notes here that uh you've you're

02:46:02.440 currently celibate by choice while on your healing journey you're no longer casually dating how long

02:46:07.240 have you been celibate for so the last time i hooked up with someone was in february or no i'm sorry no

02:46:13.080 that's wrong um since june but that was a uh kind of like a return thing okay with uh you recycled it

02:46:21.240 was like going back to somebody then it wasn't like a new dating experience it wasn't a new body

02:46:25.880 you recycled the body sure if you want to use that kind of language that's what that's what it's

02:46:31.560 called recycling if you don't want to add to your body doing it again if you've already done it once

02:46:36.200 with them it's like uh you're recycling a body okay all right now you don't you object to that just

02:46:43.480 such a deranged way of looking at like human relationships yeah well i mean that's talking purely

02:46:48.760 sex like it's the least like you're so obsessed with the quantity you'd rather just say recycle a

02:46:52.360 body like it's just that's the terminology that's that's the terms you people you've never you've

02:46:57.800 never voluntarily uh wait what like that's just like not like people who like normally date and

02:47:02.600 see each other aren't using these terms it's very like dehumanized i've never used that it's not

02:47:08.040 dehumanizing like you're studying romance from afar from like an incel community oh yeah so it's all

02:47:13.400 insults how dare they how dare well how dare people use something that obviously this is

02:47:19.880 actually a term wait wait wait stop stop this is hey picking for him yo let me talk please this is

02:47:26.840 a term i've actually heard originating from women women use this term oh i'm recycling a body so i

02:47:32.920 don't add to my body because of this like obsession to always have a low body count so i've heard women

02:47:37.720 say too like i'm recycling bodies so my body count doesn't you've heard it from women too so why are you

02:47:42.040 saying that it's like it's like this incel community it's like from men and i mean women

02:47:47.320 insults exist no i'm not that's not true i disagree i don't think a woman can be an incel yeah why is

02:47:54.280 that like genuinely i'm curious because i don't think men will do anything with two because because

02:48:01.800 not all men there's any woman if any woman was so inclined to get laid she could regardless of her

02:48:09.560 personality regardless of her level of physical attraction i guess i think i would agree there's

02:48:15.160 no it's if the belief system well for example there was a there was a reddit community dedicated to

02:48:21.640 fem cells women who consider themselves involuntarily celibate and it like was bombarded with men who were

02:48:28.680 propositioning these women with sex the reverse is not the case there's not just women flocking to

02:48:34.760 incel communities to fuck here's the easiest way to frame it right if there was a male version of

02:48:40.280 you he's not having sex at sex parties and having sex with people back in june and there's not that

02:48:45.400 it's not going to happen you think he's going to the same party why would you disagree he's going to

02:48:50.360 go to the same sex party i would say well i what i would argue though is that a man who's obese is going

02:48:57.880 to struggle far more when it comes to purely getting sex than a woman who's obese that's the point yeah

02:49:04.440 well you're not really an insult you can go to nevada and book a prostitute if you want well but

02:49:08.760 that would still be involuntarily how yeah because in that case prostitution yeah doesn't he's talking

02:49:14.680 about yeah he's talking about sex between uh two consenting adults absent money where you're not

02:49:20.360 paying them for it that's the point yeah okay yeah because in that case it's like oh well i mean you

02:49:26.360 could just go buy a a prostitute like women want the money i mean we'll be okay with having money and

02:49:34.280 men are like the the drive is also very different wait just in general like you mean

02:49:40.360 the sex drive yeah like for instance like a man doesn't necessarily like a man would pay for sex

02:49:45.000 but a woman won't necessarily have to pay for sex but there's other things that we might do

02:49:48.600 that we'll have to like that we'll work for yeah exactly so it may not be money like when we talk

02:49:53.560 about incels like they could book a prostitute but typically like you were saying they're looking

02:49:56.680 for someone who's like enthusiastically consenting to it so typically they're not just looking for

02:50:00.200 sex because they could go to a hooker they're looking for some level intimacy so analogously

02:50:04.440 femcels yes they could be propositioned by those guys on the reddit but they're looking for someone

02:50:08.520 who actually cares about them but comparing this is also a bad presupposition for a different reason

02:50:13.800 another reason this is a bad presupposition is they may not be going to a hooker not because they

02:50:17.080 don't want to or they don't just want sex but because they may have religious convictions or other

02:50:21.640 values which conflict with doing something like that so if they have that strong of a religious

02:50:27.160 so hang on just so hell bent i'm almost almost done calm down calm down farah before you start

02:50:32.200 spurred talking and turbo talking let me just finish the point everything i'm saying is sound

02:50:35.560 yeah that's nice it'll be just a sound when i'm done maybe let's just we just got to avoid

02:50:40.280 i'm sorry i have to moderate myself so anyway just yeah just chill out i'm almost yeah chill out

02:50:45.080 yeah chill out yeah so i didn't say calm down you calm down so anyway what what i what i was getting

02:50:53.320 at here was just to say there could be other convictions there there could be other convictions

02:50:58.200 which are here that they adhere to now most popularly what i see online with people referred

02:51:03.480 to as incels is that their standards are extremely high because they have those religious convictions

02:51:09.640 they can't find a woman who can meet those standards why would they go by a prostitute if

02:51:14.920 their religious convictions prevent them from doing it that's voluntary because he can't find a woman who

02:51:20.040 matches his values that's literally voluntary that's voluntary that's like i'm an incel because

02:51:23.800 i can't find a guy who's six foot makes a million dollars a year and wants to date me that's ridiculous

02:51:27.800 when you're talking about uh somebody who is uh incelibent by choice would you say then right or i'm

02:51:35.800 sorry um yeah yeah celibate by choice if you're just talking anybody can just who can just go have

02:51:42.760 sex with anybody right you can go get a prostitute or or this type of thing okay obviously a person is

02:51:49.160 going to have sex with another person is going to go for their preferences right is that generally

02:51:53.960 what they're going to do to choose yes and like we're saying wait there's two different metrics

02:51:57.720 for male and female preferences but suddenly you're now using the default as the male preference

02:52:02.520 so even if he doesn't want to fuck a girl because she has different religious values i'm assuming

02:52:06.120 why is that different than me saying even though guys are propositioning me on reddit they're

02:52:09.720 not the type of guy i'm looking for so therefore i can still deem myself a fem cell yeah i'm

02:52:13.800 i'm assuming it both ways so i assume it on the other way too that so you believe fem cells exist

02:52:18.680 that well yeah i'm not saying that you didn't well i have i have a different i have a different

02:52:22.680 definition of it you think fem cells exist if it's from the religious connotation yeah just

02:52:27.160 really well i have a different yeah not from the idea of yes i could fuck this guy but i won't enjoy

02:52:31.000 it i won't be attracted to him it'll feel yeah i think that all those things could be true but it

02:52:34.520 would be from a religious standpoint no but you can have that being religious yeah generally

02:52:38.200 speaking a religious standpoint i have feelings like that and i'm not really so if i'm very

02:52:41.640 unattractive and i can only fuck guys who are like disgusting to me or but that's not for

02:52:46.200 religious reasons that i'm unattractive to them i wouldn't i still be a fem cell by your definition

02:52:50.840 if you were super like super ugly you mean like just a super yeah i mean i guess but i'm talking in

02:52:56.680 generalities here so i'm just saying generally that's what i would fit in that criteria what's

02:53:00.280 your question so you think the appearance is the majority factor of whether or not someone is an

02:53:04.280 uncel usually for a man it's more than their appearance usually it's the inside i think that there

02:53:08.840 could be there's yes there's two categories here yeah because there's incels that look just like

02:53:13.640 any one of you guys and they're feeling like they don't have sex and the reason why is because we're

02:53:17.000 so turned off by their inside and the first thing that comes out of their mouth we couldn't possibly

02:53:20.360 have them doing anything with them yeah i'm not clear well okay there's first off my sense of what

02:53:26.200 an incel is is it's involuntarily celibate so this is somebody i i would argue that and maybe

02:53:35.720 andrew this is where i disagree if say you're a christian man and you're waiting until marriage

02:53:42.280 that i would consider that to be voluntary yeah i have a hard time with that because then faro like

02:53:47.640 would you apply that to essay so well wait a second they're they're involuntary why couldn't they just

02:53:53.720 go essay a check right they could do that and then they wouldn't be they would be involuntarily

02:54:00.200 why because sex and essay are not comparable no but what i'm saying is is that if it's if it's not

02:54:07.400 just a barrier based around personalization right and preferences then you're looking at the same thing

02:54:13.400 from the religious to if you were looking at it from the the and the argument against the religious is

02:54:19.320 well no this is voluntary because you could just go get a prostitute it's like well no

02:54:22.760 no it's involuntary they want to do it right but they have a barrier from doing it just like the

02:54:29.080 lack of the the essay portion would be the same thing a barrier from doing it i genuinely don't

02:54:34.120 think a lion's share of incels are opting out of booking a hooker for religious reasons i'm pretty sure

02:54:38.120 a large number of porn consumers are incels so if they were opting out of sex for religious reasons

02:54:43.000 they wouldn't be like consuming so much yeah so you don't think that people who are heavily religious

02:54:47.400 would would like to have sex that they might have those wants to do that's not what involuntary

02:54:52.040 means yeah i think but this is where i'm drawing a distinction with you because if your argument for

02:54:57.160 no that's not involuntary it means if if you say involuntary they could just go get you know a sex

02:55:03.640 worker then why couldn't i just respond by saying well if it's involved why couldn't they just go

02:55:07.720 assault a chick get the same result how would it be involuntary because if i call someone homeless like

02:55:12.440 i'm saying yeah they could squat somewhere technically illegally but i would still consider them

02:55:15.640 homeless what does that have to do with what i said it's an analogy yeah but how's the analogy

02:55:18.920 apply because doing something unlawfully it doesn't make it doesn't now make it sex it but

02:55:24.920 well wait a second wait wait back up what what is it then i'm saying if they're an incel it's just

02:55:31.000 unlawful sex right my point is if they're an incel and they're complaining that they just can't get

02:55:35.160 sex they can book a hooker but that's typically not what they're looking for they're looking for a

02:55:38.760 level of emotional intimacy that's what i'm saying there's a barrier they're both what you would

02:55:43.480 consider one's a barrier legally the other one's legal yeah but but they're both barriers is the

02:55:48.440 point people i don't think people are opting out of hookers for religious reasons why what you don't

02:55:53.480 think so no why well maybe some are but i'm saying an incel who's an incel who's jacking up to porn

02:55:59.720 every day isn't now drawing the line at prostitution i've now created two different categories of incel for

02:56:04.360 you i'm saying that one i believe that both of them are involuntarily not doing the actual incel

02:56:09.880 community the people on reddit i believe that that is an actual person who's waiting till marriage

02:56:14.040 to find a godly have you ever heard have you ever heard of the trad cast who self-idee as incels for

02:56:18.200 instance the reason that they self-idee as incels is because they say yeah sure we would love to be

02:56:23.160 rolling around and having tons of sex with women but we don't right because we have this ex-belief

02:56:28.840 so would he be an incel if he struggles to find a virgin like if every single woman at his college

02:56:32.760 has had sex and his standard is he wants to marry another virgin is he now an incel no that's

02:56:36.120 voluntarily celibate because you've set a standard for yourself that's kind of interesting i i might

02:56:40.600 be getting on board with what you're saying andrew because so i'm not expecting to go

02:56:47.400 yeah well no i'm trying to suss this out in my head and i'm thinking about it like okay yeah so

02:56:52.920 there is a law stating that essay is illegal right so in the if i'm looking at a coming from a biblical

02:57:00.120 framework as a christian uh i determine that the bible is my foundation for morality and is how

02:57:06.520 is law in my mind so just the same way that uh essay is illegal in i mean it's illegal in the bible

02:57:15.320 but it's illegal in our society it is to co-op the uh verbiage it is illegal in god's mind right in god's

02:57:23.480 eye to say to have sex before marriage right so i actually kind of agree so you can't actually

02:57:29.880 alleviate what you want even though you want to because there's this barrier but you're choosing to

02:57:35.880 to to abide by the barrier but you would be doing the same thing with ssa that's the point there's

02:57:40.440 a choice it's the choice does it just end at religious convictions can i say female dating

02:57:44.440 strategy tells me i should only fuck guys who make more than me and because i earn a lot it's hard to

02:57:47.800 define those guys they're forming themselves well the the religion really fast doesn't make your

02:57:52.120 arguments it doesn't my arguments being correct what's your argument i bet you can't even repeat

02:57:57.560 it i think i can do it i was saying why are you just drawing the bible to be akin to law but why

02:58:02.920 can't i say my preferences could be akin to law too so suddenly i'm a femself you could yeah yeah okay so

02:58:07.880 i'm a femself because i can't find a guy who makes more money than we're saying that you could you

02:58:10.920 could make two different categories here right but you would still have to categorize them so is it

02:58:16.840 involuntary i guess what we're really discussing is what do we mean by involuntary you think that

02:58:22.440 it's voluntary absent barrier and so do i so i don't know what we're arguing okay so far as far

02:58:27.560 as just real quick though if you have s a that's up you're going to get a physical repercussion for

02:58:31.960 that you let's say you didn't you're deciding to abide by the bible you're not going to get a

02:58:36.680 physical replicate yeah but we believe you would yeah that's the point okay your belief in actual

02:58:42.040 physical harm happening to you is not okay so what so you're not going to go to jail god is not

02:58:47.240 going to put you in jail but you could also let's let's envision for a second that you knew you could

02:58:52.120 do it and could get away with it and not go to jail okay it would still be a barrier the absent

02:58:57.880 consent would still be a barrier and so you wouldn't do it right you actually being able to go to jail

02:59:02.760 versus not are two different very big things yeah has nothing to do with the point how does it not

02:59:07.240 because what i'm saying is let's remove that for a second that you would even you're deciding that

02:59:11.320 the bible is that is that is the top yes and you're deciding that the law is the top thing that's

02:59:15.880 i'm not no i'm not i'm just saying as far as overall you can believe in the bible that's fine but no

02:59:20.840 matter what bible or not you still got to respect the law so you're you're encompassing you don't have

02:59:25.480 to respect the law no as far as like if you're going to be law-abiding or even just right so your choice

02:59:30.920 is to respect the law but everyone has to be under the law now everyone has to be under the bible yeah but

02:59:35.080 your choice is to respect both you don't have to respect the law you choose to respect the law

02:59:40.280 nothing's stopping you from going through its stop sign nothing's stopping you from grabbing that

02:59:44.120 mic and hitting me in the head with it the repercussions at the end of the day are different

02:59:48.120 yes there might be that there's uh that you have a perception you saying that you have a perception

02:59:53.960 of a repercussion distinction fine we can remove that barrier by saying if we could assume that there

02:59:59.240 was no repercussion for you would you just start saying people there is yeah but but that's not the

03:00:04.440 purpose of explaining this this way the purpose is to show you that even if that barrier was removed

03:00:08.840 you still wouldn't do it there is a barrier which is there whether it's religious or it's legal

03:00:14.840 these two barriers still very much exist inside of your mind which is the preventative measure for

03:00:20.360 doing the action but okay so if you sexually assault someone you're then affecting that person's life

03:00:25.400 if you abstain abstain for sex because of a religious belief you're not affecting someone else's life

03:00:30.440 what if you were to uh to essay what if you were to essay a chick who was in a who was in a coma

03:00:36.280 who was in a coma and would never know and there's impossible for her to get pregnant there was a

03:00:39.560 man who was raping a lady in yeah sorry but you wouldn't co-sign on it i think we actually

03:00:43.400 right you wouldn't co-sign on it no it was awful right that's my whole point barrier no i think we

03:00:47.720 agree i think we agree i was having rebuttal to brian saying that like oh incels exist only for men

03:00:52.680 but never for women because someone will always fuck you and i was saying in theory you could

03:00:56.360 fuck someone as a man but it's not to these you know what i mean there's that barrier there so i

03:01:00.520 was saying even for women even though some guys would yeah i would just say so here's why i would

03:01:05.000 make the two distinct categories so i think you would agree with this too so in the distinct category

03:01:09.320 one with the men i think it's much easier for men to be in that one category of incel right whereas

03:01:16.920 for women it's not very it would actually be difficult to be in that category which on the

03:01:22.040 religious end i would say that it could be equal so okay what about what about this what about what

03:01:27.000 about this so let's say you have a man and a woman neither are religious they're both physically

03:01:35.480 unattractive yeah they want to have they don't care about they just want to have sex immediately

03:01:42.600 like that night or whatever or within the a short period of time say a week i would argue that

03:01:48.600 almost any woman if she was so inclined could get sex whereas it's not clear to me if any man

03:01:56.360 could just go out and immediately yeah i agree i totally agree but that's typically not what fem

03:02:01.080 cell refers to like i don't think females are actually arguing i can't anybody they're saying

03:02:04.600 i can't anybody who would care same way those men in theory those incels could each other but

03:02:08.680 they're not going to be attracted to each other and enjoy it hold on but if the definition of fem

03:02:12.520 cell is what a female incel i actually need you to repeat that why you didn't hear her no i didn't

03:02:18.760 she has meth mouth you got to talk slow so i can understand what you're saying the reason i talk so

03:02:22.760 fast is because i keep getting cut off it's not to try and i didn't cut you off no i know i'm just

03:02:26.440 saying in general but anyways my point was yes a fem cell could get sex from anybody okay but the point

03:02:33.080 was um men in theory those incels they could get sex from each other in theory but they won't enjoy it

03:02:37.960 each other yes in theory yeah he's talking about the opposite sex no i know but i'm saying the same

03:02:42.600 way a fem cell might not enjoy having sex or even find any like little bit of attraction to the guy

03:02:48.280 who's propositioning her on reddit those guys won't enjoy having sex with each other so that's

03:02:52.040 why i'm saying it's two different metrics because male and female sexuality is incredibly different

03:02:57.560 do you get what i'm saying yeah yeah so let me just let me go ahead i'm sorry no yeah i was just

03:03:02.280 about to ask so does the act of sex require that there's an there's there's enjoyment in it

03:03:06.840 it so okay so being so i'm saying fem cell has a slightly different definition than incel

03:03:13.000 i'm not actually sure what so sell okay well it's involuntarily celibate which means no sex

03:03:19.240 regardless of how you feel about it if you enjoy it or not if you're having sex you're not an incel

03:03:24.920 right so it doesn't so there's sex as an incel with no okay okay so if if you if your goal is to

03:03:33.080 find sex and you are able to find it that is by definition not celibate regardless if you enjoy it

03:03:40.600 or not yes and like i said you could find it in nevada but obviously we're talking about certain

03:03:47.000 barriers and guys want it from a woman who's maybe enthusiastically consenting and a woman maybe wants

03:03:51.400 it from a guy who isn't just looking at her as a whole so that was my only point so i don't understand

03:03:55.160 i don't understand why each one of those criticisms couldn't be applied back so you say

03:03:58.920 you say incels could have it with each other well so could fem cells yeah so i don't understand how

03:04:03.960 the criticisms wouldn't be equal it's not equal do you agree that fem cells exist even though they

03:04:09.720 could in theory fuck someone in the same way an incel could in theory fuck someone yeah i would say i

03:04:14.200 would say by this criteria though what he's trying to draw is that when he says not exist right be the

03:04:20.120 same way that you and i would say something in the comments doesn't mean there's none who who existed

03:04:25.480 all on planet earth but rather if you make the comparison between the amount of male versus

03:04:30.360 female it's overwhelmingly going to be male versus female when it comes to this you would agree with

03:04:35.400 that in that category i would but you would also agree that male and females look at sex entirely

03:04:40.520 differently so when someone says i'm a fem cell you understand that she's not saying nobody will

03:04:44.440 fuck me she's saying nobody maybe i'm having difficulty finding someone who will fuck me and actually

03:04:48.840 ask me my name so okay but if that's the case then they have just changed the meaning from how we mean it

03:04:55.400 so it doesn't mean anything yeah i don't think anyone thinks they have identical definitions

03:04:59.560 yeah i know but from our definition you would agree we're correct that men have a harder time

03:05:05.160 procuring sex yes yeah and that and that the incel from our perspective has a way harder time

03:05:11.160 yeah okay then the fem cell yes okay yeah yeah i would agree with that too okay but sex to the

03:05:17.480 same basis of attraction then i would disagree because it's it's typical progressive pedantry and you

03:05:22.760 have to like literally peel back all the layers until you get to where you know it's not it's

03:05:26.600 because we're talking about sex that it's we're talking about sex they wouldn't be disgusted by

03:05:30.200 and like i said the guys could in theory each other but they would feel disgusted by that if they're

03:05:33.880 straight and the woman the fem cell could in theory some random like redditor proposer but she might

03:05:38.840 not enjoy it that was my point brian what was it he left so i had to direct it okay well okay when i think

03:05:46.200 fem cell like i think female incel because i know there's a this definition of fem cell where it's

03:05:51.720 like well i'm just not finding the right guy that i want to have sex with and to me when i think of

03:05:57.400 incel to somebody who wants to have sex but like can't there's not all these strings attached to it

03:06:05.080 there's not all these terms the guy doesn't have to be some magical unicorn like i'm sure most men who

03:06:10.040 are incels would be happy to have sex with a woman who's even probably below their standards or

03:06:15.880 whatever that might be so all right okay um and i do think when it comes to incels first off it's

03:06:24.840 kind of the euphemism treadmill where a word starts to lose its its meaning like nazi and fascist oh yeah

03:06:32.120 where it just ends up being used as a generic insult rather than the word that has actual meaning

03:06:37.880 uh i do think incels they get to they a lot of times they get made fun of i actually think they

03:06:43.720 need empathy understanding and compassion not hate and uh more isolation because you certainly don't

03:06:49.560 make a scared dog more calm by beating him with a uh a stick and also to your point um you said that

03:06:56.600 it's not because of their physical attractiveness but because of their personality uh and perhaps

03:07:02.120 i've seen some incels well let me just finish my point um oftentimes there's this idea that these incels

03:07:07.800 are just uh certainly there are men there are women hating uh incels misogynistic incels absolutely

03:07:14.120 however it's not clear to me if misogyny it's not clear to me if misogyny is the cause of their lack

03:07:20.280 of sexual connection because there are plenty of misogynistic men who are highly sexually successful i

03:07:27.160 don't think it has to be that though it could it could be simple as like i don't like myself

03:07:31.720 oh i mean sure i guess but like that also is unattractive i mean i'm sure there's plenty of like

03:07:36.920 some of the most toxic women haters there are are probably who act like assholes towards every

03:07:41.880 women are getting it i'm i'm saying like there's probably like inexhaustible lines of that they're

03:07:47.640 not getting said yes to like it's not going to be just physical because the way women work genuinely

03:07:53.400 we fall in love with the inside even if the outside is important i mean yeah okay you can you can go for

03:08:00.040 instance you can go to school with someone or go to be at work at someone who's definitely not your

03:08:03.640 type and you keep seeing them over and over again you see the cute little jokes and then you kind

03:08:06.840 of start seeing them as being cute and funny because their inside made you be like actually

03:08:10.600 like i'm actually kind of digging that like weird nose thing he does or his ears are a little big

03:08:14.520 but i actually kind of like that part about him so we just we we work differently in that way

03:08:20.280 and so i would say that it wouldn't have to necessarily be a man who hates a woman but it could be

03:08:23.720 like well he could always be talking bad about himself or maybe he's level on the spectrum where he

03:08:28.760 doesn't know how to communicate and like talk to people there's many different things that it could

03:08:32.520 be but i would say that it probably has to do more with the inside than just the out yeah i'm actually

03:08:37.160 trying to remember how we got onto that because i think i was asking you about your celibacy and then

03:08:41.640 yeah roster and you asked about incels you said that you know i don't think so what's the definition

03:08:45.960 of incel because we you said recycling bodies yeah oh yeah that's right oh great okay all right

03:08:51.320 all right um and you were like no no i don't like that language it's

03:08:55.240 i don't like it under the purview of my progressive analysis i don't feel like that that's how people

03:09:00.680 really analyze the situation that type of shit right i was that's exactly that's exactly what you did

03:09:06.040 there was a specific word i was avoiding using but i was saying it's like kind of a weird way to view

03:09:10.520 romantic relationships yeah how so oh god it's just not it's just not romantic i just thought it was

03:09:17.560 funny yeah like it's just it was ironic yeah it's just a descriptor yeah it's not necessarily wrong

03:09:23.640 just kind of depersonalized maybe it was just funny it was amusing how you depersonalize it i

03:09:28.360 think depersonalize negative or positive it's just an observation yeah oh it's a calculator way of

03:09:35.400 doing yeah all right all right good talk all right i have a note here from kimberly uh kimberly you say

03:09:40.840 i feel like most men want to be taken care of instead of them taking care of the ladies as far as the guys

03:09:46.600 i've dated i've always been the one to plan pay for the dates where i've put in too much effort and not

03:09:51.080 the same energy in return it's always a what you're doing message instead of taking the initiative

03:09:56.680 to plan a date these guys these guys are just honestly kind of childish you gotta raise your

03:10:02.360 standards lol she gotta raise her standards she's allowing them that's her right there oh yeah you

03:10:06.760 gotta you gotta you gotta raise your standards i'm glad you're here i know you gotta you gotta stop

03:10:10.680 you you control that that's why i accept that haven't like been talking to guys recently wait so

03:10:17.560 reminder you're you're 22 correct yeah um but you said your longest relationship for was for two

03:10:23.080 years so your two two-year relationship is that how that two-year relationship looked no that one was

03:10:32.440 well it just didn't end well but i don't want to get into that but um okay i was saying sorry what i

03:10:39.400 was saying is that that's why i didn't that's why i don't want maddie can you talk to guys anymore

03:10:45.320 your mic wait hold on let me see what's going on here yeah your mic's way too shifted it's blocked

03:10:50.120 your mic maddie your mic is blocking her god okay um yeah well from the past relationships that i've

03:10:58.120 been in relationships um one of them it went well the thing was that when i met him he was barely coming

03:11:08.520 from a different state and he didn't have much here so i helped him out in the beginning i had

03:11:16.040 my own car and he would use it and stuff but he ended up cheating on me anyways good times yeah he

03:11:22.600 ended up cheating on me and i found out because i went on facebook oh and he had he had posted a

03:11:29.480 picture and i was going through the likes and i seen some girl had hearted his picture

03:11:34.920 and um so i clicked on her profile and then i seen a picture of them together on her header so

03:11:42.040 how many how many of the men that you've recently been dating have been you've been taking care of

03:11:48.280 them uh you've been paying because you said most men yeah want to be taken care of and and that you've

03:11:55.960 dated men that you're planning dates and you're paying for the dates yeah and you put in too much

03:12:00.840 effort so what and that was my also uh the last guy i was talking to um basically when i met him

03:12:10.200 he was leaving his bm and baby mama okay i didn't know there was like a yeah so there was a lot of

03:12:19.800 drama because she didn't like me and like it i was like it's not my fault that he started texting me you

03:12:26.760 know he had told me that they weren't together and they weren't together so so you were paying for

03:12:32.440 him about keeping a man who like cheats on his girl for you though no he wasn't with her okay no

03:12:37.160 he wasn't with her when we were talking he wasn't with her um but yeah he would like he had to come

03:12:43.160 to ontario and i live in indio so i would be the one coming and going or he would can you show your

03:12:48.680 nails again they're fire they're cute how do you how do you wipe oh god okay wait do you have to do

03:12:56.520 the the mitt method yeah do you do the mitt that's what i've heard i've never been a long nail girl but

03:13:02.760 they call it whoa wait hold on put your hands show us your you should play piano god damn you're not

03:13:08.600 supposed to have long nails to play the piano yeah i know but you've got long fingers i don't know i

03:13:12.600 i do caregiving you have the piano i have to like wipe these old people but what the

03:13:17.400 fuck yeah wait you do what caregiving oh okay you wipe old people yeah that's what she said like a

03:13:24.840 like a nurse's aide yeah like a babysitter but for yeah okay so all right so um oh wait did you answer

03:13:33.160 if you've had have you uh roster did you guys answer that yeah we did did we go around okay

03:13:39.080 yeah check it out shitty memory okay uh all right so you also wrote that you feel like i'm kind of

03:13:46.840 both a feminist and traditional yeah because i feel like um if i want to have a job like i want to work

03:13:55.800 i want to make my own money but at the same time like i i want to be i if i find the right guy i would

03:14:03.480 be yeah you want to stay home yeah if i find the right person but if not so

03:14:08.920 okay do you want to get married that's a good question it's because before i would say yeah

03:14:17.640 but now i'm just like i don't think there's gonna like you don't think there's a guy who's

03:14:23.960 gonna want to marry you no i just don't think that there's a guy that would

03:14:28.680 because i guess i'm picky you're picky yeah um okay you don't think you'll find a guy how are you

03:14:37.160 how are you picky well like i said in the beginning i don't like going out to like clubs and stuff so

03:14:43.480 i would that's not picky though but i don't think that's picky yeah really but how else are you picky

03:14:49.320 i'm sure there's more than just that you're talking looks no i mean did we talk about did

03:14:55.320 you say height thing did you do we go around on that i've dated shorter shorter guys than me well

03:15:00.280 i've not i'm not really dated but i've i'm five seven okay did you say you have i forgot if you

03:15:05.800 mentioned your height preference no i don't have a height no high preference well i've dated shorter

03:15:11.960 guys than me how are you like five i don't know i just i guess um

03:15:22.600 i don't know guys when i'm with somebody they just see i ask them for stuff and they don't such

03:15:30.200 such as what but it's not really picky huh it's just that okay what do you ask do you think you're

03:15:37.000 picky or do you just talk about your standards what are your standards because i think

03:15:41.880 there is a difference or do you mean that so far you've met guys and there's been something about

03:15:47.400 them that you haven't liked and so you feel like you're picky it's probably that i don't like it but

03:15:54.600 they don't think it's an issue so that so they think that i'm picky but such such as what like um when i

03:16:03.320 was with the when i was talking to this one guy i would ask him could he not like be following other

03:16:11.320 girls on instagram or liking their pictures while we were talking but he was like oh my mom said that

03:16:17.320 i have to explore my options i was like whoa i was like your mom told you you had to explore your

03:16:26.920 options i was like okay that's fine but you can go i told him that's fine you can go explore his options

03:16:34.360 then i i wasn't expecting the mom told me to he literally said my mom said that i have to explore

03:16:43.480 my options and are you guys laughing because you think he made that up or do you think of course he

03:16:48.760 made it up you're laughing because she probably she might have and like he's doing it like what is

03:16:54.120 what is the what that was just a situation yeah yeah it's just funny my mom's there yeah okay so

03:17:01.560 you're regardless um so i've got a semi uh related question on that topic for the men at the table

03:17:08.120 do you guys think that confidence or modesty is a more important trait in your dating life from a

03:17:13.720 woman like like i'm just and i'm genuinely just curious modesty modesty here's i mean here's one way to uh

03:17:22.680 perhaps look at this if a girl were to approach me i don't know like she wanted to hit on me or

03:17:30.600 something uh not that that might be the best way to go about things but uh oftentimes i think women

03:17:38.360 would prefer a guy to step to them in a really confident manner versus like maybe their eye contact

03:17:43.720 isn't great or they're a little shy or bashful i would say for me though i would prefer a girl to

03:17:49.000 step to me and she's kind of like a little nervous about it then if she was like you want hi

03:17:56.600 oh well it's it's because of that's not a great shyly walks up to you i'm sure mason will agree with

03:18:01.960 me on this too so from from like the christian standpoint we would consider these are it's a

03:18:09.160 neutral trait confidence right but we would say that men have it way more than women have it or at

03:18:14.840 least that something that is pushed for men to have right as that sort of society absolutely yeah

03:18:21.640 it's that sort of trait so we're not looking for masculine traits in women if we were looking

03:18:27.160 are you attributing confidence hang on hang on almost done okay i was sorry yes i'm attributing

03:18:33.560 that as a more masculine trait than modesty so okay that's the point right okay it's not it's a neutral

03:18:40.440 trait but it's a more masculine trait than modesty is so if you were to talk to you know like uh

03:18:46.040 priests or you were to talk to clergy or things like this the things that they have a hard time

03:18:50.600 with men on are things of like matters of pride matters of uh of that type of thing you know what

03:18:56.360 i mean so we would we would maybe attribute it more that way too we're not looking for masculine

03:19:01.960 traits in women we're looking for feminine traits in women i guess i just don't like gender those

03:19:06.760 types of traits like from my viewpoint it's a neutral i'm just saying you can look at both

03:19:10.760 traits though and see which one society you know that we would attribute towards towards which sex

03:19:16.200 more right yeah that's interesting perspective speaking of masculine feminine you're attracting feminine

03:19:20.840 men yeah that that checks out wait do you have a type like what's your type white guys no

03:19:28.760 no latino guys yeah you don't you wouldn't date a white guy i mean asking for a friend i haven't

03:19:35.880 i would but i never have to be never dated like no i've really only dated mexicans to be honest

03:19:42.840 mexican guys but that's because that's any black guys in there go on jaco it's because

03:19:48.760 no i've never dated a black guy no i've never what about like i would i would

03:19:54.200 americans any native chumash no no chumash mexican mexican pretty much do you have a catholic

03:20:01.720 upbringing mm-hmm yeah yeah kind of figured yeah yeah okay all right here we have some notes here i

03:20:09.320 need to uh oh we had a video from you that we've got to react to interesting oh well we already kind

03:20:14.360 of hit it it's the it was the insult topic but i mean fuck it let's just uh let's pull it up let's

03:20:20.200 pull it up because we were just talking about it let's bring the subject back uh nick if you're

03:20:25.480 able to get that this was posted to be like a funny bit it wasn't it was meant to be light-heartedly

03:20:32.040 there's already a disclaimer sorry the reaction wasn't fully that when it got reposted on red pill

03:20:38.520 internet but um that was it was i was just like trying to be jokey all right disclaimer all right go

03:20:46.360 ahead i'm just saying it's a little worse oh i've seen that well at home no that's perfect no because

03:20:50.680 trust me i have met a mini incel and they all but most they even if they are they can bring

03:20:55.960 pretend they're a lawyer they can pretend they're a therapist they can pretend it's most people that

03:21:00.040 like hate you online behind if you're hiding behind a screen and like and you have zero followers

03:21:04.840 and it's a hidden profile i just refer to anyone like that incel incel exactly like they can cosplay

03:21:10.200 that in their daytime but that's who they are at heart is that's what you're taking your time to do

03:21:14.360 yeah okay i could never great great um i love that anyway that i can see that being a tick tock

03:21:23.000 clip what is it and there it is please oh hello i got my headphones flying off my goodness the drama

03:21:30.120 of it all okay i very quickly realized i wanted to be with my ex and we had a lot more in common

03:21:35.320 and you met him online too it was like i met this on reddit okay um actually my ex ironically was like

03:21:42.280 my biggest chipper on um did you skip forward but i didn't know i think she did no you kid

03:21:50.280 nick you skipped way forward oh yeah it's on a different topic yeah it's on x and stuff

03:21:54.680 we were the the clip starts at 33 20 you must you must have skipped forward somehow yeah it was

03:22:00.040 at 35. what i was a little confused together yeah i thought i thought it was there was a jump

03:22:08.120 just uh also for the video can you put us in the corner is there in the corner

03:22:14.760 no 33 what what i don't know where did you start the the time it should have been 33 20.

03:22:24.440 i didn't touch it okay just but it no but it midway through it skipped forward go ahead

03:22:29.480 33 20. yeah started at three 33 20. beam me up scotty

03:22:38.360 yeah this one yeah that's better yeah yeah yeah

03:22:44.680 what does this mean what does this yeah so an incel is just like someone who is involuntarily celibate

03:22:50.600 and it just essentially it has morphed into its own slang term that kind of describes that loser sitting on

03:22:58.520 reddit for 23 hours a day um with cheetah dust and empty mountain dew cans all around them

03:23:04.760 and it just has a real stank smell that is involved with these people because i'm just going to paint

03:23:10.520 you an image and like the fedora is a little crusty and the the beard the the neck beard is strong but

03:23:16.280 the facial hair is weak and there's a bald spot in the back and you can just and you can just see the

03:23:22.520 fedora covering it just right dear life and he's sitting there muttering under his breath about how

03:23:31.320 uh like jessica alba's ugly just right you know literally yeah that's what you're talking about

03:23:36.840 yeah like bottom of the barrel that was a really good description thank you it's like i just wanted

03:23:42.440 to paint a little word picture for the people at home no that's perfect no because just me i have

03:23:46.440 met a mini incel and they all but most they even if they are they can bring pretend they're a lawyer

03:23:51.800 they can pretend they're a therapist they can pretend it's most people that like hate you on

03:23:55.880 yeah behind it if you're hiding behind a screen like and you have zero followers and it's a hidden

03:24:00.600 profile i just refer to anyone like that incel inside exactly like they can constantly that in their

03:24:05.640 daytime but that's who they are at heart is that's what you're taking your time to do

03:24:09.400 pathetic yeah okay i could never great great um i love that i did i did just want to want to say

03:24:17.720 this one thing if you don't mind it's right at the end there you said i would never what were you

03:24:23.240 referring to i would never behave toward people the way that incels behave toward me because it

03:24:30.440 sounded like you were saying i would never like i would never sleep with somebody like that that's

03:24:34.600 what it sounded like to me oh no i wasn't referencing like being with so i mean i would

03:24:40.920 not want to date an incel correct because the people that have been the the the am i way off

03:24:47.240 here did that sound like she was like i would never like you're right she would never have that tone i

03:24:52.120 would never like be that way that's what i intended the whole of the whole encompassing of yeah but but

03:24:59.160 related to what i already said this whole euphemism treadmill thing i mean even that i don't know

03:25:03.320 her name the host of the podcast she said it's devora she said it's incel is just a term for

03:25:09.400 anybody that talks online and has no followers well she said what was the thing with she was

03:25:15.320 what's wrong with fedoras hello well it's the meme like you turn up on the internet better than

03:25:21.240 anyone clearly my lady i mean um what's up with the bald spot though what's wrong with bald i mean

03:25:27.400 look i get roasted all day every day for existing as a fat woman on the internet body positivity

03:25:32.520 i mean i'm i'm more down with body neutrality but that's just me we shouldn't shame men for balding

03:25:38.600 it's natural yeah does the neck beard at least connect i think she's clapping back to what

03:25:45.000 they've already said to her she's this is not like look at my youtube comments just i'm i'm allowed to

03:25:53.800 make a joke at their expense which are twice if they dedicate hours of their time to try to tear me

03:25:59.400 down because they can't handle seeing someone like me be confident in myself because it makes

03:26:03.960 them question why they can't be confident within themselves when they fit in the americanized standards

03:26:09.000 of certain whatever and i am an outlier i'm someone that they wish to be uh not seen nor heard and i put

03:26:17.640 myself out there and i hold myself to a standard of what i think is a good human being and yeah so how i

03:26:27.480 proceed with that just just give you a little pushback here yes i can agree with a portion

03:26:33.160 of what she says the first portion of what you said is if these guys are going to continuously make

03:26:37.240 fun of me right and this is the group it's coming from i'm going to hit back okay that's fair okay but

03:26:42.920 then he kind of moved on into this whole but you see what it is is that i don't deserve to have any

03:26:48.440 criticism and this is all projection because this is how they really feel not how i am and it's like

03:26:53.560 that's when i go i'm not so sure criticism is not calling me michelin man it's not calling me

03:26:58.760 gorlock it's not making fun of my body what's not constructive about that what do you think that

03:27:05.560 that that encourage you andrew do you think it encourages healthy behavior when it feeds into the

03:27:13.880 eating disorder mindset constructive criticism the constructive criticism is not for you

03:27:19.320 the constructive criticism it's a shaming tactic so that everybody who sees a person like you out

03:27:25.800 there trying to say yeah and i don't consent just hang on i'm trying to tell you it's not it is

03:27:31.800 constructive it's constructive to all of society to say i'm trying to explain anytime you're ready to let

03:27:37.560 me so anyway how this is really important to society as a shaming tactic the same way that you might

03:27:44.200 take a politician if you were the system for instance and and completely throw him in jail

03:27:49.480 and do all kinds of horrible things to and make an example to everybody else that's what shame does

03:27:54.440 hang on a shaming tactic that's used in this way is to say listen if anybody else is going to come out

03:28:00.440 and be like you are right and say that unapologetically this is this is okay this is good blah blah blah blah

03:28:07.080 blah they're trying to instill a sense of shame so that if other women see that they don't go that road

03:28:12.840 and instead try to do something about it so you think that my existence is a right to be a political

03:28:18.920 statement yeah toward um other people's views of their own body and that i'm to be used you're a

03:28:26.920 public figure that's right you're a public figure who goes out and saying i'm unapologetic right i've

03:28:33.160 slept with a with all these guys and i mean that's not my platform that's part of my past but yeah but

03:28:38.200 part of your platform is the whole big beautiful you know bullshit not anymore do you know my

03:28:43.320 platform do you know my platform at all do you know my story at all here's the thing that's what

03:28:48.520 it is right no it's not what is it what is your platform is that i have lived through a lot of

03:28:54.680 experiences that have led me to be in this body and to be who i am and that i am on a journey of

03:29:01.880 loving myself into my house yeah you're loving yourself there's no excuse for that there's no

03:29:06.200 excuse because there's no excuse for it that's why you're getting shamed there's no excuse there's

03:29:12.360 no excuse there's no excuse for what me existing no for you to look like that what okay question

03:29:18.200 everything you said could be a byproduct but do you think when a guy is saying gorlock the destroyer

03:29:21.720 and when brian titles this video like that you think he's really doing it to like it's a shame

03:29:25.320 to mitigate obesity it's a shame tactic no it's never do you really think that's why

03:29:30.200 why you gotta throw me under the bus because you you're the one who titled it that well first off

03:29:37.000 it was it was only recently changed and did you do that because you were like i want to mitigate

03:29:41.560 obesity in america was that your it was for the clicks and the success and no i did it because

03:29:47.080 that's sensationalizing everybody's searching for the everybody dms me brian where's the gore which

03:29:52.120 one's the gorlock episode and i'm like that i get 20 dms a day brian i can't because it was titled

03:29:58.280 rage quick kiko versus chase round two there was not the alley al wheezy was not in the thumbnail

03:30:04.600 so i just titled it gorlock the destroyer makes it easier for people to find the video okay okay

03:30:09.800 i made it i tried to make it people are wondering brian i get the point where's the the the al wheezy

03:30:15.160 video gore i i put in the title so people can find it i'm a nice guy i'm considering yeah i'm trying to

03:30:20.920 save people time okay so it could be a byproduct my question is do you actually think people andrew

03:30:25.480 like leaving those comments arguing with those intentions or you think it's like could you concede

03:30:28.920 there's a little bit of like schadenfreude in there yeah i think that the overwhelming majority

03:30:33.160 i wouldn't say all not putting everything in a monolith people who comment hippo trying to finish

03:30:37.400 okay okay so do i think do i think yeah even that comment i think is legitimate because what's the

03:30:43.320 point the point is to make the comparison to this big ginormous animal which you're not right it's a

03:30:49.960 shaming tactic the whole goal of it is to tell the person stop the behavior if other people

03:30:55.480 see what you're doing this is bad we used to have shame in society it was good it's good to

03:31:00.600 it is definitely not good they did a study i'm so sorry but they did a study what was the methodology

03:31:05.800 in the study um it's on i think it was on netflix what's the methodology can i just finish

03:31:10.520 no i just want you to tell me the methodology my statement first they did a statement you never

03:31:13.880 even read the study you don't know anything about anyways that humans actually respond better to

03:31:18.280 positive affirmations and positive encouragement rather what was the methodology for what was

03:31:22.520 positive in the study um they were doing like they did a um a study of like it was like a hundred

03:31:28.360 humans or whatever yeah what was the methodology for what they considered positive in the study

03:31:32.440 they they had people up on stage and they like had them do a task and to some of them they told

03:31:37.080 them they did a really good job and to the next group they told them they did a really bad job

03:31:40.440 and the next time they had that that same group study come in and they encouraged them to do one

03:31:44.440 thing and they've done so many of this where they encourage one and they and don't encourage the

03:31:48.760 other and the ones that they haven't encouraged after they bring them back to do the exact same

03:31:52.680 thing the ones that have been encouraged those past two times excel and the ones that have not do

03:31:57.160 not they have done plenty of studies on that so you're saying you're so humans thrive better from

03:32:01.880 positive like all right let's move encouragement they do i'm good here i'm going to read some chats

03:32:08.040 all right andrew and farha have the highest iqs out of everyone on the show and their philosophy

03:32:12.360 debates are pretty interesting would be cool to see far back on the crucible for another

03:32:16.200 long-form debate did what was the wait hold on i'm gonna save it for later but what was the big

03:32:21.560 thing that you guys it was about rights women's suffrage oh was that women's rights yeah women's

03:32:26.200 rights is that is that a tos thing you think why are you asking me i don't know there's nothing

03:32:31.320 in violation of tos for that okay can i make one more point about the conversation we just said

03:32:36.840 i'll keep it really short but i'm gonna move on right after you say it so go ahead okay so do you

03:32:41.720 think that like you're saying because they're calling them fat or hippo the goal is that they

03:32:44.840 can actually change that behavior so it's beneficial but what about the guys who leave certain comments

03:32:48.600 just calling a girl ugly and it's not related to things she can change like i feel like they stem

03:32:51.800 from the same place which is why i was saying i feel like the intention tends to just be sadism yeah

03:32:56.440 there's i think there's some of that yeah okay cool all right we have bender the offender ladies do

03:33:01.000 you think mandatory paternity testing would hurt or help women in today's society do you want to stay for

03:33:05.960 this just this question and then can i pee i have like three red balls

03:33:12.840 okay does not give you wings ladies do you think mandatory paternity testing would hurt or help women

03:33:17.160 in today's society i don't know i feel like that's such a broad question because i feel like in some ways

03:33:28.040 it could be harmful but in other ways i think overall it would be helpful in terms of you know

03:33:36.200 child support and knowing it but it's like that's odd because it's like what's the circumstance is it

03:33:40.920 just like for every birth there's a paternity test yeah yeah yeah in what ways would i be harmful

03:33:48.360 yeah i was gonna ask because like if like the person that is an abuser someone who's like you know

03:33:54.040 doesn't necessarily they don't want to be tied to the person well i mean that's that yeah but do you

03:34:00.680 have a right to hide paternity based on the fact that the other person's abusive i mean

03:34:08.760 i would want to do anything to get out of you think so i do just because if you're abusive to

03:34:13.560 me what are you gonna do to the child yeah that doesn't okay listen you don't have a right to hide

03:34:20.840 the paternity from a father based on upon whatever your analysis is of abuse i've heard things as as

03:34:27.400 ridiculous as this emotionally abusive yeah which means nothing it means nothing that's crazy no

03:34:35.080 it's not no it's not it's not because emotional abuse is nothing yeah it means nothing it means

03:34:40.120 nothing it's subjective it's subjective wow that's an interesting well listen it's it is subjective give

03:34:46.840 me an objective stand i mean i don't think that's subjective in the terms of psychology at all yeah it

03:34:50.920 is exactly exactly it's a subjective analysis so so like let me give you an example i can give you a

03:34:58.200 really easy one okay let's say that you're going out and you're overspending from my perspective like

03:35:04.840 let's say married to a woman i say listen you're overspending okay and you say well listen i really

03:35:11.160 need to spend this because i need x y and z for the household you think the paper towel holder and this and

03:35:16.360 that is very important maybe it is maybe it is important and i think it isn't so i go and i cut

03:35:22.120 off your access to that threshold of money and give you a lesser threshold of money that i think is

03:35:27.480 appropriate and you don't think is appropriate is that abuse in that specific scenario there's just

03:35:38.840 like several factors whether or not something is or isn't financial because it's subjective

03:35:42.600 that's why and it's predicated on how the woman feels wait wait hold on because hold on hold on

03:35:50.680 go ahead and it's predicated on how the woman feels about what you say like a lot of women just don't

03:35:54.920 take kindly to being criticized at all they don't take kindly to a guy even if a guy gets moderately

03:36:00.600 upset and he raises his tone a little bit you have women who will consider that emotional abuse

03:36:04.200 that's not i don't but i mean to me emotional abuse is like a verbal like verbally saying really

03:36:10.200 degrading horrible things and like a a systemic thing over to us a systemic thing over time excuse

03:36:16.360 me and so i mean like maybe i didn't initially understand the point you were trying to make

03:36:22.680 with the suggestive because the subject subject sorry i'm stuttering really bad it's okay um but

03:36:29.000 in terms of emotional abuse being a factor i think is important though it is suggestive

03:36:36.360 subjective subjective thank you subjective yeah even though it is objective it is something that

03:36:43.080 i mean that's the long-standing effects on both yeah right and child but when my initial point i was

03:36:49.160 thinking more so abuse of the other aspects because emotional is it is impactful but it's not as

03:36:58.360 dangerous to like the health of the child versus the other one so let's let's move into okay if you

03:37:03.160 fair enough you say okay when it comes to this it's subjective so maybe we wouldn't hide paternity

03:37:07.320 on that but if we move over to physical abuse let's say right you think that that's cut and dry

03:37:12.440 well what if uh this guy he's convicted of uh physically abusing the mom then shouldn't we be

03:37:18.120 able to hide paternity if she says yeah i say i still say no and here's why because plenty of people

03:37:24.200 get accused of uh doing domestic violence or doing things like this and they haven't actually done it

03:37:29.720 and so we're going to yield to the word of the woman in this case and hide the paternity of that

03:37:34.360 man's child for something which could easily be a falsehood that's immoral to the utmost in in my

03:37:41.080 world view okay and i see that but for me it's like if you're talking about a mandated paternity test

03:37:46.840 then at that point that's the government getting involved in between the relationship and the personal

03:37:51.800 affairs of people and i am the kind of person that prefers to step off of unnecessary like

03:37:58.200 government wait you're a communist you want the government involved in the life that literally

03:38:03.720 every single aspect that i was a communist you did win didn't earlier didn't you know you i was

03:38:09.400 talking about capitalism and you said the word communism when that word never left my mouth so

03:38:13.240 socialism i mean first i'm not really here to debate okay i'm just asking this i can't even talk about

03:38:19.080 are you a socialist um i mean i consider myself a leftist okay yeah you don't care if government's

03:38:24.520 involved in your life for all kinds of stuff what did you care if the government was

03:38:27.960 involved in my life when there were certain mandates going on around you didn't give a

03:38:31.320 shit but now suddenly you care about now suddenly you care about this hold on i can't get into that

03:38:38.600 but you know what i'm saying yeah okay i do now yes yeah but wait i have a question you said you

03:38:42.760 when it comes to you wouldn't want the government involved with mandatory paternity testing over

03:38:46.680 people's economy but let me ask you a question let's say do you want kids one day no oh okay so this

03:38:53.000 is honestly for me this is just like a thing that i don't really want to do hold on i mean that was

03:38:58.520 kind of an asshole move but let's let's keep it that was a real asshole move yeah let's keep it nice

03:39:03.560 guys let's keep it nice okay because some people are smart enough to know what's best for them and for

03:39:07.880 me in my life okay i don't want to have children just let me ask the question okay but i would if i

03:39:13.240 wanted to okay be a good mother okay so my question is though do you think you you said you wouldn't want

03:39:19.640 the government involved when it comes to paternity testing whatever uh so are you not in favor of

03:39:27.560 child support women receiving child support for example so i believe that whoever has the child

03:39:35.800 should have support from the other partner regardless of their gender i think that if a single father

03:39:42.600 has the full custody of the child which enforced by and which is enforced by the the the courts the

03:39:51.880 state government but you said you don't want the government involved with mandatory paternity testing

03:39:57.000 so i'm just confused but i mean look the government has its role all right the government has its role

03:40:02.760 and i don't i mean at the end of the day but you do realize that like for example in a a uh child support

03:40:09.560 dispute that the government would actually require if they're if the the man disputes paternity but

03:40:17.400 when you're putting in a mandated paternity test then that is adding a complicated layer of paperwork

03:40:22.840 and testing no it's just literally as it's you're already in the hospital you're you it's actually the

03:40:27.480 perfect scenario to really the conditions here's my further questions it's like does that apply to

03:40:33.800 marry couples or couples that are so together or are we okay yeah everybody anyways here let's just

03:40:39.000 go around the table anybody can answer this um do you think mandatory paternity testing would hurt or

03:40:44.280 help women in today's society would mandatory paternity test hurt or help women in today's society

03:40:52.440 that's one of the super chat questions i don't know okay

03:40:57.720 i mean i don't have any children but i don't see why it would be a problem

03:41:04.280 okay madison i feel like with the way

03:41:09.000 not all women but a lot like a majority of women are moving nowadays like it it could be very harmful

03:41:15.560 to their children and wait what would be harmful paternity testing like if they found out the child's

03:41:24.920 dad was not the guy that she was with like that would be breaking their family apart

03:41:31.640 from a mandatory place i mean i see your point i see your point i don't what about the truth

03:41:38.280 no i think the truth is great i think yeah no absolutely everyone should know the truth but

03:41:42.920 i think it's going to be terrible for the children if the truth so you're in favor

03:41:46.200 that's what i'm saying with the way a lot of women are moving nowadays they're probably

03:41:50.360 like a lot of children aren't going to be having dads anymore so it would be it would be bad for

03:41:55.000 women but you don't object to paternity testing no not at all okay i'm for it so you acknowledge

03:41:59.880 okay i see i see are you are you in favor of that injury it sounds like oh yeah yeah i think that the

03:42:05.880 the rates of paternity which are lied about is wildly understated wildly understated and uh yeah

03:42:15.800 absolutely i think that if mandatory paternity testing was done there would be there would be

03:42:22.200 significant problems for women but the kind of problems that i think they should see which is

03:42:26.120 responsibility we for forever forever inside human society men did not have this we've never had the

03:42:34.760 luxury of being a we had to always take the word of the woman as to paternity we don't have to do that

03:42:40.680 now and we absolutely shouldn't do it now and even if it's not mandatory everybody should get one no

03:42:47.400 matter what always period and and and just and just worse and i have a hundred i look i have what i

03:42:55.080 would consider a hundred percent faith and trust in my wife but i told her i told her these words

03:43:00.040 exactly you're gonna get the test and if not i'm out the door period well also there are not emotional

03:43:07.080 abuse yeah well they're also yeah that would be considered emotional abuse exactly i was not a

03:43:11.640 hundred percent trust and faith i mean it's your prerogative to do that but okay well it's not for

03:43:15.320 her it's for me yeah well it's also there are also cases where like the hospital will jumble with

03:43:19.800 babies no it's not it's as much trust as i can give you trust it's as much trust as i can yes because

03:43:24.840 you can't confirm that there's no way for a man to confirm something that's not well what's worse

03:43:29.000 the trust back the other way just being like okay yeah no problem wait andrew there's if it was ever

03:43:33.800 any resistance that's how that works that's how trust works yeah what what is the like what what's

03:43:38.680 the pitch to like how would you say that because i feel like if i were to say that to to a girl i

03:43:45.800 could see her like my wife or when i'm having kids what could she what what what possible argument

03:43:53.400 could a woman have towards asking you to get a paternity test other than it makes her feel bad she's

03:43:59.400 unfaithful or like you don't other than it makes her feel bad what could the argument possibly

03:44:05.160 be give me a single argument other than because it makes me feel bad i want to hear it but why

03:44:10.200 would you want to make her feel bad so that's i feel bad if you're worried that she'd be cheating

03:44:13.880 on you why would you even want so that's i feel bad it's i feel bad saying clearly we don't have a

03:44:17.800 strong foundation sorry that's i feel bad no it's not saying we don't have a strong foundation why

03:44:21.560 would that matter if it didn't make one of them feel bad because she could say like if we don't

03:44:25.560 have a strong foundation of trust because because she feels it makes her feel bad you can feel neutral

03:44:29.160 about it and still be like oh so if she so wait a second maybe he's gonna be maybe he's gonna be

03:44:33.240 constantly if she feels neutral about it if she feels neutral about it if she feels neutral about

03:44:38.120 it who cares finish her point say your point if they feel if she feels neutral about it then who cares

03:44:44.360 i'm saying if you don't have trust in a relationship typically that will lead to a bad relationship

03:44:48.440 regardless if the parties in the relationship feel bad about it or not that was my only point yeah but

03:44:52.360 that's the only argument is feel bad no it's not i literally said it doesn't matter if they feel

03:44:56.440 bad or not she can object and say clearly we don't have a strong foundation donated two hundred dollars

03:45:02.120 love your hair maddie gl with your marriage brian love the andrew marathon shout out crucible

03:45:12.040 okay thanks yo bone man thank you man appreciate it welcome uh good to see you back in the chat man

03:45:17.240 go ahead far with your uh point i completed yeah so oh she completed

03:45:21.320 the the only reason that the trust variable is there is because it would make one feel bad over

03:45:26.360 the other that's it so the only argument you would make for the trust is you don't trust me and that

03:45:31.960 what farah you don't trust me and that makes me but it doesn't have to make you feel bad then

03:45:36.280 why would it matter why would it matter of a relationship it's a foundation because if it's not

03:45:41.160 and why is it a foundation about this it's how based on maybe you don't care or not you're

03:45:45.000 completely apathetic to whether your wife cheats on you but maybe you still don't want her to do that

03:45:48.600 even if you have no emotional reaction to it because you think that creates a unstable foundation

03:45:52.760 for a relationship then even if you're completely apathetic and maybe you're a cuck and you get

03:45:56.200 why would you care about the paternity test how would that be an argument if it's just a neutral

03:46:00.600 you were saying what is an objection to right you're yeah but your boyfriend asking you for

03:46:04.840 a paternity test and i'm saying you could say we're missing an important tenant of our relationship

03:46:08.920 an important pillar that isn't contingent on me feeling good or bad about it that was my only point

03:46:13.080 then if you don't feel good or bad about it why would it be an important pillar same way i told

03:46:18.200 you maybe if your wife's cheating on you but you don't necessarily care wouldn't you agree that

03:46:21.480 that could have adverse effects on the relationship regardless about how you feel about it personally

03:46:26.200 those would be like the adverse effects that you would be talking about or like her getting pregnant

03:46:31.640 no not necessarily her getting even if she was infertile her giving you vd what is that venereal disease

03:46:39.800 i don't think those would be your only objections well then what other than how that makes you feel

03:46:44.920 then i don't understand the objective you're religious from your christian purview you could

03:46:48.120 probably outline a plethora of reasons for why you wouldn't want your girlfriend or wife to be

03:46:51.640 sleeping with other people other than it makes you feel bad you'd probably think it you know

03:46:55.000 has adverse outcomes yes that's true i could appeal to an objective standard yes yes and most

03:46:59.400 people but this is not what objective standard are you appealing to usually the tenets of trust in

03:47:03.320 a relationship that's not an objective standard it's a subjective standard

03:47:06.040 most relationships subscribe to that obviously people can deviate from that yeah but that's a

03:47:10.920 that's a subjective standard at the end of the day the only reason you appeal to that subjective

03:47:14.440 standards because if i don't trust you you don't trust me one of us feels bad i just told you there's

03:47:18.840 many instances where you might not there's not a single one of those that doesn't really boil down

03:47:23.080 to it made the other person feel bad and so in your opinion feel bad he just disagrees no you even

03:47:27.240 created a hypothetical neutral so you said hypothetically what if neutrally it didn't make you feel bad for

03:47:32.920 your wife to go out and do this thing what would be her objection okay what if i found out my husband

03:47:36.840 cheated on me and i genuinely have zero emotional reaction to it but i still want to dump him did i

03:47:41.400 dump him because it makes me feel bad or because i feel like we don't have a strong foundation because

03:47:45.160 there's this honesty and there's a lack of trust why would i don't understand why do you want this

03:47:50.840 the honesty and the trust inside of the relationship if you don't care if he cheats

03:47:57.640 it's not about don't care i can care without it making me feel bad yeah but okay so you you care but it

03:48:02.600 doesn't make you feel bad that could happen yeah how you can't control your emotional response to

03:48:08.520 something maybe you find out someone cheats on you or you found out your husband you know

03:48:11.480 texted another girl and you're like okay this violates and you would care about that because

03:48:16.120 it makes you feel bad people have boundaries that aren't always directly purely correlated to their

03:48:20.120 feelings about it oh really so if guy is texting and you don't care that means it's not about don't

03:48:26.040 care it maybe doesn't make me feel bad oh if it doesn't make you feel bad then you don't care

03:48:30.280 right i don't agree with that you don't no so you care if a guy's texting another person even if

03:48:35.400 it doesn't make you feel bad i would still care even if in that moment i felt apathetic about it

03:48:39.880 i would still end the relationship even if i personally didn't cry about it even even though

03:48:44.120 you didn't care even if i didn't cry about it why would you do anything why would you do anything at

03:48:48.360 all if you didn't care right that makes no sense that's the stupidest thing i've heard out of you

03:48:53.000 tonight why would you do anything if you didn't care because reversely i wouldn't set boundaries

03:48:59.000 purely based on how i feel about it so for instance if i was overly jealous about my

03:49:02.440 husband having a female co-worker i wouldn't then say quit your job because this makes me feel bad

03:49:06.600 so it goes both yeah but that's something you care about okay but yes it's both i i get what you're

03:49:10.600 saying but hypothetically you're hypothetically what you're saying is you can have values without

03:49:16.760 having emotion tied to those values yeah and and typically they are correlated but not always

03:49:22.120 so the same way i can you know value honesty and trust and maybe i have a visceral reaction to you

03:49:25.880 having a female co-worker and that could be irrational so i'm not going to deduce my boundaries

03:49:29.640 from my emotions and likewise i'm not going to always what does that happen though what does that

03:49:34.200 actually happen especially in the context of a relationship yeah the distinction here having a

03:49:37.640 female co-worker well the distinction here is feeling irrationally jealous about my husband

03:49:41.160 having a female co-worker it happens every day the distinction here is care in the one so

03:49:44.680 what you're doing rationally no sorry go ahead man sorry what you said irrationally you feeling

03:49:49.480 that was my whole point i can have rational boundaries and standards that don't always correlate to

03:49:53.320 whether i feel good or bad because people feel bad all the time about things that are irrational

03:49:57.000 such as your husband having a female co-worker yes so i went and say don't do this thing because

03:50:01.080 it doesn't make because it makes me feel bad so that was my whole point yes you you can i'm saying

03:50:05.560 you can't in this context so with the problem that you made with this particular hypothetical when you

03:50:10.120 reverse it you introduce care and i'm saying fine you can introduce care it works in that hypothetical

03:50:14.840 the opposition hypothetical doesn't because i'm claiming that any of the standards that you would appeal

03:50:19.400 to for why you would not take that test are going to appeal to care and therefore feel bad

03:50:25.720 i disagree and i already laid it out nope you gave me a hypothetical where you just reintroduced

03:50:30.040 the word care again and said in this case if i did care then blah blah blah i was saying people set

03:50:36.600 boundaries in relationships that are completely disparate from whether they feel good or bad

03:50:40.520 so same way again i may feel bad if my husband has a female co-worker i'm not going to then say you can

03:50:45.240 only work with men or you can only go to an all-male gym yes and likewise i might say don't text other

03:50:50.520 girls and don't sex with other girls but whether i break up with you isn't going to be contingent on

03:50:54.600 whether when i find out i cry about it or not no no no why don't you wait wait whether you cry

03:51:00.120 disrespect is maybe the variable here yeah before you even cry about it why did you set the standard

03:51:04.920 to begin with because of certain values in the relationship because things you care about

03:51:09.560 um that's what i was saying care about but not feel good or bad you said whether it hurts her

03:51:14.440 feelings why do you how could you care about if you don't feel good or bad about it no you really

03:51:19.400 didn't in this context that doesn't work why would you set the standards if you didn't care about the

03:51:23.800 standards because you felt good or bad about the standard because yeah shut up i could think there's

03:51:28.760 certain pillars sorry i could think there's i could think there's certain pillars that breed a stronger

03:51:33.800 relationship regardless of whether or not i personally feel good or bad about it i know you agree why do you

03:51:38.920 care about the stronger pillar because i want a strong relationship because you care about it

03:51:45.400 because you value the relationship you wanted to because you care about it i didn't say care

03:51:50.520 wasn't a variable i said feeling good or bad i'm saying you can't have the feel good or bad if you

03:51:55.240 care about something you have to have to feel good or bad yeah i gave you an example in which you don't

03:51:59.480 that doesn't have to be the case with the cover you actually didn't what you do in that example is

03:52:03.000 you just say yes in that case for care i do feel good or bad and then i set reasonable boundaries but

03:52:08.120 no i said you don't you don't deduce the boundaries from feeling good or bad i think you do nobody does

03:52:13.960 that everyone does that everybody does every every jealous wife says you can't work with other women

03:52:20.280 no no no but the reason that they would say that or not say that is because they care about it

03:52:26.520 and so therefore the the fact that they care about it is why they set the boundary for a good or it

03:52:31.800 makes me feel good or makes me feel bad because i care about it yeah the emotion is going to be

03:52:35.720 yes they still feel bad about it but they still let their husband work with other women because

03:52:39.240 they realize yes but that doesn't mean they don't feel bad about it the reason that they could still

03:52:44.440 feel bad about it and allow it but they still feel bad i know you see my point and i'm saying that from

03:52:48.760 your perspective in this particular case why shouldn't a man or why shouldn't a woman take

03:52:54.680 the paternity test if a man asked her to other than i feel bad that you asked me to do that and i told you

03:53:01.800 why her feelings are irregardless of the fact that maybe she wants to have a strong pillar of having

03:53:06.600 trust and faith in the relationship same way maybe i don't personally feel good or bad if my boyfriend

03:53:11.240 says share your location with me but maybe i'll say like okay but if you don't trust me then this

03:53:15.320 probably isn't going to be like a sustained relationship for a long period of time and

03:53:19.560 okay the the word trust they're doing a lot of heavy lifting for your point so i feel like heavy lifting

03:53:26.440 i feel like you wouldn't trust let me finish i just let you know i just want to say i didn't

03:53:30.360 i'm not even disputing the fact or like the sorry of requesting um a paternity test you were just

03:53:35.800 asking what are some other objections yeah but i think it's your prerogative to ask but even in that

03:53:40.120 even in that you're using the word trust there it's doing a lot of heavy lifting for your argument

03:53:45.000 am i to assume that you care about trust then yes okay so hang on i said feeling good or bad

03:53:52.120 stop stop why would you care about the trust why would you care about the trust because having a

03:53:58.200 strong sense of trust in a relationship leads to a healthier relationship regardless of whether i

03:54:02.440 feel good or bad so even though i may feel bad about the fact that my husband has a female co-worker

03:54:06.680 if i have a strong sense of trust that takes precedence over my feelings of good or bad yeah okay

03:54:11.480 forget the the absent analogy inside of your relationship without qualifiers right without

03:54:18.120 going just like just ask answer the single question what's so funny brian just answer the

03:54:22.920 scene no no brian tell me what's so funny no no no no farah answers a single just answer the single

03:54:28.520 question trust inside of this hypothetical okay inside of your own hypothetical the paternity one

03:54:35.640 or yeah the paternity one which is doing all the heavy lifting here the word trust there implies

03:54:41.560 you care we agree right that you care about trust yeah yes and and do you care about the

03:54:47.960 trust because if you can't trust the other person right it would elicit a negative feeling in you

03:54:55.240 no no no okay wow and there's nothing i can do nothing he can do there's nothing what do you mean

03:55:00.280 wow do you have a rebuttal it doesn't make it doesn't make sense it literally does it doesn't it

03:55:04.200 doesn't make sense it doesn't make it doesn't make sense it doesn't make it doesn't make sense

03:55:07.560 because psychologically that's just not how we're wired as humans strong healthy relationship don't you feel

03:55:11.800 good yes i'm saying you could have a strong healthy relationship and still get feelings of

03:55:16.360 jealousy that have nothing to do with whether you trust the person or not yeah but you but people

03:55:21.080 get jealous if like a waiter hits on their husband even if they know their husband will never in a

03:55:24.360 million years sleep with that waiter yeah but all that is anchored by the feelings yeah well i mean

03:55:30.520 you're all missing my point okay we're all missing you we're sorry you just came in and started laughing

03:55:39.000 it is because at the end of the day anything that involves two people being together is going to be

03:55:42.600 predicated on emotion regardless regardless i think regardless no matter what happens like there

03:55:47.080 is a negative or positive response and you have the exactly i see i think you do have the choice

03:55:52.840 the argument for me brian i think you do have the choice whether you're going to express that or not

03:55:57.720 yeah like you internally you're going to have a positive or negative yeah you're going to have

03:56:01.080 a physiological but sometimes exactly you won't express it tell me anything you deduce from that

03:56:06.520 conversation just anything i'm focused you know before i was just come in and laugh but before

03:56:11.240 was that the distinction you was making not like they feel it but they don't act on it or like

03:56:18.200 you can feel jealousy typically people create boundaries in their relationship that are completely

03:56:22.840 disparate from how they feel because i might feel jealousy towards my husband even being around

03:56:26.840 another woman but i'm never going to actually realistically ask him to work in an all-male office

03:56:32.040 so likewise i may feel offended or i may care about the fact that we don't have trust in a

03:56:35.960 relationship without it making me necessarily feel bad because that was all in response to him

03:56:40.040 saying what would be the only objection to asking for a paternity test other than it makes my wife

03:56:43.720 feel bad and i said she might recognize that there's a lack of trust in the relationship which is a

03:56:47.800 necessary pillar for a long healthy relationship yeah i don't i don't yeah i don't think that's okay

03:56:52.520 so that's possible so yeah well i got a question here or first we got a chat here from

03:56:59.080 lumb the sky thank you for the canadian 100 men thank you appreciate it preferences are not

03:57:04.520 akin to law like religion because we believe that god holds us accountable to his laws your preferences

03:57:09.880 are not enforced by an external entity and are ultimately within your control andrew i respect

03:57:14.760 your conviction unfortunately i always okay i'll wait till he's back here we have another chat though

03:57:20.600 while we wait for andrew to come back stifler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one

03:57:27.800 two ten their looks physical looks scale one to ten we'll start with you we'll go around the table

03:57:34.200 go ahead eight so eight point five eight eight point five i'm a ten

03:57:45.000 seven eight six point five i'd say seven point five eight four is that that's lower than last time i i i used to

03:57:56.840 say six i'm a five in front of all these beautiful women how could i ever not humble myself down to a four

03:58:03.400 really

03:58:07.240 proud of you andrew yeah it's a good i'm a five i give myself a five so wait eight eight point five

03:58:13.560 ten seven eight okay all right brian you rated yourself lower than usual yeah i dropped i've been

03:58:23.080 getting a little trouble six and a half see now that's humble yeah that's humility that's humble

03:58:29.000 that's humility right that's the thing that's usually harder for men to do

03:58:36.040 just just say it just point i've noticed a pattern here i think men tend to

03:58:40.120 fairly accurately self-assess their own level of physical attractiveness whereas

03:58:46.680 i've heard women not so much self-esteem issues than women do what's that i've heard men have more

03:58:51.320 self-esteem issues than women do i feel like i disagree a little why would you say that just

03:58:57.400 and i also heard that they're also more emotional um are they who have you heard these yeah because

03:59:02.120 well i mean you guys will act off based off pride and that is going to be like an emotion thing

03:59:06.600 um not necessarily okay do you think men or women have more cosmetic surgery

03:59:11.480 i think probably women yeah probably women do you think that that's because they have way more

03:59:16.760 self-esteem than men i don't think that necessarily what i'm talking about is the same thing i just

03:59:23.080 know well i think it is not sure well for instance for instance you just rated yourself before right

03:59:28.120 and and maybe people may not agree with you and i just rated myself a 10 and people may not agree with

03:59:32.360 me right but we're just talking about simple our self-esteem my self-esteem is clearly higher no i'm not

03:59:37.000 sure that we are i think that what we're talking about is a value judgment and i think that i'm making a

03:59:41.800 way better value judgment than the value judgment that you're making so the value judgment that i'm

03:59:46.120 making is this i'm old and i'm married and i'm out of shape and i smoke right and i'm not a very

03:59:51.960 pleasant person to be around for long periods of time especially for the opposite sex like i know all

03:59:57.240 of these things about myself so my value judgment overall is a four tell me the value judgment of how

04:00:03.640 you came to attend oh yeah um i just think that in general we should think that we are great right so you

04:00:10.040 just decided it with there's no value judgment there you just decided it yeah he asked me what

04:00:15.640 i would rape myself and because it's my opinion about myself just like i am i took a long time for

04:00:21.480 me to love myself and i do now and so yeah i think that like you know i'm i'm my i'm my misty ten

04:00:28.440 i have a question for you but hold on just one sec um do you think you're seven five

04:00:33.720 i said eight oh yeah get it right how did you get it right did you come to that value judgment

04:00:39.560 because i don't put within my value within a rigid uh rigidity a rigidity that's not the right

04:00:45.080 word rigidity rigidity rigidity yeah um i don't put that within that rigidity of certain i guess

04:00:52.200 value judgments more subjective opinions about what value is because i know my value i know my worth

04:01:03.080 and i know my beauty that i hold within myself for myself and that is appreciated by other people

04:01:11.000 because at the end of the day beauty is subjective and it is absolutely within my right to hold myself

04:01:19.400 to a higher value and how i conduct myself in the world around me yeah but that when you're talking

04:01:23.960 about the value judgment here my wife i'm sure that she has a way higher value judgment of me than i have

04:01:29.640 of me i would agree that she probably should from her subjective assessment she probably thinks i'm

04:01:33.880 a great provider she thinks i'm a great father she thinks i take care of all of my responsibilities

04:01:38.440 and duties she can 100 trust me um so she probably has this really high value judgment of me but when

04:01:46.040 i'm doing an actual assessment of me like andrew wilson the person my looks and how it's reflected

04:01:53.480 outwards to other people right i'm adding this value this value this value this value this value

04:01:59.720 like a mathematical formula to come up with that equals four what are you doing to come up with

04:02:05.480 that other than i just think that we should have high self-esteem so that we because i just think so

04:02:11.400 because i know i'm a good person because frankly if we want to get aesthetic i don't have a busted face

04:02:17.560 i'm fat and if people want to reduce my value because of my fatness that's not my problem and that

04:02:23.080 is not the um ideology i hold for myself um i am someone who is pursuing weight loss not for aesthetics

04:02:32.280 not for looks but for my health and it is something i'm moving forward with because i have been for the

04:02:38.280 past two to three years now working on my self-love and loving myself into a place to care enough about

04:02:46.520 myself to take my health back into control when i was being consistently shamed when i was gangstocked

04:02:52.840 on r slash fat people hate in 2015 when i have looks like it works i mean it looks like it works

04:03:00.040 i'm still speaking it works because you're going to change you're really great at over talking and

04:03:04.520 being disrespectful and i'd love the opportunity to get my point across okay but just just to cut in

04:03:09.320 here a little bit the original question was rate your looks because you mentioned your personality

04:03:15.080 you have a great personality or whatever it is and i and like i said my fatness doesn't devalue

04:03:19.480 me why so i'm an eight why doesn't it because i think that fat because you can be beautiful it's

04:03:27.480 my assessment of my looks right yeah but why is it that your own assessment of your looks has nothing

04:03:33.400 to do with how the external world perceives you that's my problem right because you don't care so

04:03:38.280 there's no real value judgment i don't care about other people how can you know how can you speak

04:03:42.680 for the rest of the world myself yeah it is if you don't live that way that sucks if there's a value

04:03:48.040 judgment of how you would self-assess your own looks the only possible conceivable metric i could even

04:03:54.200 think of would be the perception of how other people view you for your value judgment and i was in a

04:04:00.680 relationship for almost eight years with someone who thought my body was the most beautiful thing

04:04:05.960 he had ever seen that was for second and he had told me that those are the things more often than

04:04:10.760 not go ahead he had told me that more often can you speak certain yeah he had told me that more

04:04:16.360 often than not i have been pursued by many men who think i am gorgeous and beautiful that perception

04:04:22.440 exists whether you have it or not okay so assume for a second i can assume inside of like i can envision

04:04:29.400 a world where you're the only human being who's inside of the world and guess what i'll never be

04:04:33.000 the only one who thinks i'm hot and i know that bugs yeah if you're the only human being who's inside

04:04:38.040 of a world i can perceive i can perceive that i can come up with whatever whatever metric i want for

04:04:43.240 myself because i have nothing to compare it to so if i have nothing to compare it to and i have nobody

04:04:49.320 else's value judgment then i can say i'm the most beautiful person who's ever lived and i that would be

04:04:54.680 true but if i have the value judgment of hundreds of millions of people to compare the standard to

04:05:01.720 and i know that i'm below that threshold and just decide that i'm above that threshold anyway

04:05:06.280 i'm not the only person that's not based on anything objective you're just making

04:05:09.640 shit up no i'm not our opinion so yes it was a made-up opinion from us yeah it is for sure

04:05:16.040 it's way overstated that was the only person who does not have your perception of your truth

04:05:21.320 is not the same for myself or anyone else yeah what is i mean what is truth in a world that you're

04:05:27.240 innate and what societal standards in which country i must in every country on planet earth she's not

04:05:33.160 an eight you're ridiculous it's ridiculous in different places different people like different

04:05:38.120 things yeah he's so combative bro it's wild he gets very upset i live in reality do you know what

04:05:44.440 reality is that is the bottom line here and i've been respectful or how many it's not disrespectful

04:05:49.160 i'm just telling you what's true oh what was i think it's like the energy about me being a

04:05:52.520 mother bro that was the energy you put towards it that was nice let's uh no i'm not i'm not gonna

04:05:57.480 i have been taking it respectfully for hours now but to be fair also it's interesting to claim to be

04:06:02.440 so religious and so close to jesus and be so negative to tell the truth no i'm just saying just

04:06:07.560 to be so what would jesus do he'd be like you're a 10 sweetheart forget objective reality

04:06:12.200 if i'd turn the other cheek he would love me as one of god's children yes he would have

04:06:17.240 know that yes my journey in my life but he would know you're fat too whether he loves you or not

04:06:22.120 you know what being fat is not bad it's embarrassing though to claim the religion

04:06:25.880 you have how negative how negative just fucking crazy there's gonna be other people who are gonna

04:06:30.760 be like i don't claim this because it's like this is part of the reason my ears you're hypocritical

04:06:34.200 there's no hypocrisy claiming to be love and be this one big thing and then to be so negative

04:06:38.440 instead of encouraging your say even anything in actually a constructive way you kind of just get

04:06:45.320 pink and start yelling the only way the only way yeah he gets real like the only way that i can get

04:06:52.760 a word in when you shrill harpies are screeching is for me to talk loudly oh no you i mean you're

04:06:58.120 really great at overtopping it's one of your best qualities you respect well i have to cut into cut

04:07:02.120 down on the prattle that's true back on pink after all of that i'm a terrible moderator okay i'm a

04:07:09.720 dog okay hold on let me just come in really quick let me just come in all right put your

04:07:16.120 put your swords away for just a sec the views expressed by the panelists do not necessarily reflect

04:07:23.720 the views of me or the whatever podcast now uh you say

04:07:31.560 okay i i have a question for you i have a question for you do you you i think you said women should

04:07:36.840 view themselves better just women people in general in general but so do you think all women should

04:07:42.120 view themselves as tense i would love them to yes and not because everyone also agrees with them let me

04:07:47.880 ask you a question yeah are all women tens i have i'm attracted to men no i'm not saying whether

04:07:53.640 you're attracted to them but i'm sure you can i'm sure you can recognize a beautiful like a beautiful

04:07:58.280 woman it's perceptive but do you think all women are tens in their own right for sure what not sure

04:08:03.880 what that means but okay uh are all men tens in their own right for sure no but do you think all men

04:08:10.120 are tens in their own right for sure in their i don't really understand in their own right for sure

04:08:16.120 things just i can appreciate things that i'm not necessarily attracted to does that make sense

04:08:20.120 but do you okay do you think so in your eye are all men tens like just aesthetically so just by

04:08:26.360 looks i be cut and women okay so women okay because i know that someone thinks they're a 10 in my

04:08:35.400 mind that's good enough to be part of the 10 yes it are would i necessarily date them maybe not

04:08:41.880 well but as far as like believing they're 10 i know for instance is ice cream bad just because

04:08:46.680 someone doesn't like the ice cream no everyone's gonna have their different opinion of it and so

04:08:50.040 the fact that someone likes green mint ice cream for me it might not be my person but does it make

04:08:55.080 it bad ice cream no it could still be good ice cream so for that person i don't maybe they're not

04:08:59.240 necessarily if what i date them but do i believe they should think they are a 10 is what i've said

04:09:04.200 earlier yes i believe they should think they are a 10. okay i just i think they i think all people should

04:09:09.720 love them so if we ask the question it sucks so much to not love yourself if you mapped it onto

04:09:13.320 reality if you just mapped it onto reality then what would you say about some other thing yeah

04:09:18.440 what would you say then if you mapped it onto reality what do you mean are all women's 10 if

04:09:22.280 you mapped it onto reality rather than how you kind of subjectively feel like they should feel about

04:09:27.160 themselves if you were to map it onto reality outside of that subjective i think it would vary

04:09:31.800 depending on where i'm at you're in kazakhstan i don't know what the women are so so so what would you

04:09:37.720 say for example what would you say what would you say scarlett johansson would be aesthetically

04:09:43.400 cross-culturally to most men do you think most men would find her attractive russian milk it

04:09:47.880 depends on what i'm only talking from someone who you guys all would not find to be attractive like

04:09:52.120 i'm not someone you're into but i know there's men who think that i'm the shit and of different

04:09:56.200 countries that go like like we were talking about last time like i might be like and someone was

04:10:00.440 clowning they're like she's not a seattle 10 but like i think it really depends on where you're at

04:10:04.360 what country could scarlett johansson be considered not pretty in i don't know i haven't been to all

04:10:08.840 the countries could you even envision that there is one i could yeah you could what would you

04:10:12.520 speculate um i would say she's okay the the area where it would be attractive would be in a culture

04:10:20.440 where the people look like that like sweden so you don't think so would you say europe just europe

04:10:28.120 i mean sure it depends on i mean i just don't think africa either it depends i'm probably south

04:10:33.320 africa i don't know i don't know i mean it just depends like i'm going to go different places and

04:10:37.640 people are going to receive me different i was considered to be beautiful in china but not

04:10:41.400 necessarily someone they would be attracted to if that makes sense and when i went to trinidad i was

04:10:45.800 the shit in california people don't really care that much because i'm not necessarily their societal

04:10:50.840 standards of beauty so i really think it depends on where i'm at or where the person's at

04:10:55.000 i'm not gonna i'm not trying to be mean here but no one's a 10. i i don't think you're a 10.

04:11:03.240 i know you said that what did she say i'm seven see catholic that's why it's catholic i was raised

04:11:10.520 catholic what does that have to do with anything here we have we have another conversational thread

04:11:14.520 here that we can get into uh misty last time we were on we got into a big fun debate we're talking

04:11:21.880 about the patriarchy and systems oh my god and oppressor oppressed we talked about white men

04:11:28.280 you remember you remember can't can't remember now i have the ultimate representative here of the

04:11:34.680 patriarchy and i was hoping that you guys could have a a calm and collected conversation about i don't know

04:11:46.360 the patriarchy and systems of the oppressors and the oppressed white men you want a white

04:11:55.000 male to have a conversation about who's oppressed with a black female yes that sounds yeah dope not

04:12:00.360 gonna lie the white half of you i don't know that i need to have thank you i don't know i don't know

04:12:04.840 that i've got that on my shoulder i know i just don't know that i've got that all in my in my

04:12:08.280 heart right now i came here to talk about dating i don't want to talk about that with my grandfather

04:12:12.840 wait who's your grandfather sorry my grandfather's also a white male so i was just like i don't want

04:12:17.400 to have that did you just say something rather ageist no i'm talking about i'm deeply offended

04:12:23.960 that you would refer to andrew as a i just i was raised by a white male and a white female and so

04:12:30.760 yeah the the experiences we have are so vastly different that i'm just not even interested in

04:12:36.680 going down that road that's like standpoint i'm just it's a lot it's it for me it's just it's

04:12:41.800 it's a lot emotionally to have to like um pack that and i know you make us not understand but

04:12:47.560 it's no i understand it's called standpoint theory so okay so i'm a feminist standpoint

04:12:52.680 theory that you went back through and rewrote all of american it literally i'm not kidding they

04:12:58.040 rewrote all of american history from the perspective of women because they felt like just giving a

04:13:02.680 detailed actual historic analysis wasn't fair because had to come from the perspective of women so

04:13:09.800 that's that's what you're talking about it's called standpoint theory it's i don't know that i was

04:13:13.320 talking about that well it's the same same exact thing you're saying because my experience is so

04:13:18.440 vastly different our perspectives are going to be vastly different right but then the question comes

04:13:23.160 down to well which perspective should no no it's not that it's just that i don't want to no okay that's

04:13:28.040 fine okay well maybe we can maybe we can get back there a little bit later oh let's talk about that

04:13:33.560 that's not really related to dating sure well feminism you know i think that's very much related

04:13:38.360 to dating because feminism you know definitely um okay so here you want you want to talk about

04:13:45.400 dating let's talk about dating let's talk about dating let's talk about body count let's talk about

04:13:50.680 body count should do you object because a lot of times men men care a lot about about this do you object

04:13:58.120 to men caring about a woman's body count starting with you i just think body counts arbitrary arbitrary

04:14:06.360 okay all right farah what about you um i think i've said before if the man is also highly selective

04:14:13.320 and disciplined i think it's totally his prerogative to prefer a woman with a low body count okay

04:14:18.280 what about you yeah i don't have a issue with it do is it immature i'm sorry is it immature for a

04:14:24.920 guy to care about body count the past is the past i just i really believe that you should get what

04:14:31.400 you want and if that's something that you want go for it now would it make me feel sad if i decided

04:14:36.760 if i wasn't part of your crew and i liked you and i because of my body count you were not interested

04:14:41.560 for sure but will i live yeah okay

04:14:46.600 i mean you know you're about to be asked a question you could have started this not room here yeah there's

04:14:52.280 no room okay um i feel like if he takes his leg out then yes but i feel like it's up to the person

04:15:02.280 to be honest like the girl i mean if she she does it mind wait it's a the guy right if they how do you

04:15:13.560 feel about men who care about do you object to men having a preference in body count like if no because

04:15:19.160 it's their choice all right catholic all right i do not object okay you said it was you said it was

04:15:26.600 arbitrary yeah so to go back on whether i object or not i just think that at the end of the day

04:15:33.160 um it's their individual right to choose if they care about that aspect or not because for both sides

04:15:40.440 it's like aspect i don't care about from my perspective so if someone has that and then

04:15:45.320 that shouldn't it's not a compatibility factor for us and that's fine with me well arbitrary means

04:15:50.840 without system so it's not arbitrary we have a system in place to know what this is which is

04:15:57.000 how many men a woman's been with that's the system so it's not really arbitrary you make a distinction

04:16:03.480 that um it doesn't mean anything or it's not important to you but it's definitely not arbitrary

04:16:09.240 so i just like backing up i'm just curious why do you do you think from the man's perspective

04:16:15.800 if the preference is to hold the double standard which is that we find it to be very important you

04:16:23.080 don't find it to be important do you think we're holding a double standard i think this double standard

04:16:27.960 exists if a man has a high body count and refuses to be with women with a low body or it doesn't make

04:16:33.400 it wrong it's it is a double standard it's a double standard but it's by by definition it's what

04:16:39.240 it's it's what they choose to do and i just i'm just not really in the business of telling men what

04:16:45.400 i think they should or shouldn't do if i'm not interested in having them as friends or partners

04:16:49.480 so it's just like i well going around the table once more so uh some of you said body count doesn't

04:16:56.520 really matter uh don't object to or you do object perhaps to men caring about body count you think

04:17:04.040 it shouldn't matter so much you think it shouldn't be such a big deal uh what's your body count i don't

04:17:10.520 have an exact number i have an idea range is fine um probably somewhere between 50 to 60. 50 to 60 okay

04:17:18.200 um farah into the mic zero okay now just real quick because after the last

04:17:26.440 panel when you said that a ton of people went nutso in my discord and said that they had video

04:17:32.040 of you saying the opposite of that and that you basically are just larping and just pretending

04:17:38.040 that that's true and i just i'm not saying that they're right because i don't know i'm just saying

04:17:42.200 that that's what they had to guess what they're responding to is i make skits on tick tock kind of

04:17:46.200 like satirical skits about discussions of gender so i have like an off-screen male voice so he'll ask me

04:17:50.920 a question or i'll read a question being like what's your body count and it's all scripted and i'll say

04:17:54.680 something like um eight and then he'll say like that's disgusting and i'll ask him like a question

04:17:58.920 response so they're responding to like yes skits okay because every time i've talked with you uh

04:18:03.880 it's always been the same so i have no reason to doubt it but i had seen that so i thought i'd ask

04:18:09.160 oh i don't share right range you want to do a range range i don't share okay

04:18:14.520 probably like eight probably like eight or nine or ten eight or nine or ten no not ten eight or nine

04:18:30.520 okay all right not ten i will not be sharing maddie what okay well you've shared before yeah she has a

04:18:41.400 boyfriend i do multiply it by three and that's the real number

04:18:53.080 so wait

04:18:59.880 i wouldn't i mean if i'm saying that high of a number if it was higher i would say it was

04:19:03.240 how i would say okay just to be clear i don't think that's the situation next time you have to

04:19:07.480 say 20 because you know they're already going to multiply so actually it's one okay uh so okay

04:19:16.200 got it cool cool uh good talk how many are you at we just skipped you and we skipped all the men oh yeah

04:19:25.240 okay fine we'll do the men we'll do the guys yeah what do you mean why would we not do the men

04:19:28.760 i don't know i lost count i've been around the block have you said it before on the show yeah i have

04:19:35.000 said it what what is it i said it was probably between 50 and 60. oh multiply by that three

04:19:43.640 you guys got something in common i think the quote in the movie is like divided by three

04:19:47.960 for men oh really yeah because men men will lie you should have said 150 bro uh

04:19:52.440 uh mason uh zero oh i'm married i can't disclose that kind of information if you're not willing to

04:20:03.560 i'll tell you what i'll go if you go no we won't be doing that no no i'll go i'm not married i'm not

04:20:08.600 doing that when i know something down then we can come back here i got you that's fine yeah wait

04:20:12.280 what why i don't know what that has to do with anything i'll definitely go if you go

04:20:15.400 i'll tell you i don't really care that much did you share it with you

04:20:21.480 huh did you save yourself for me if i show you yours you show me mine

04:20:26.200 okay all right good times i'm curious going around the table uh that wasn't even like a thing when i was

04:20:33.080 younger who here considers themselves did you say your number i missed it i'd rather not speak about

04:20:39.720 that um all right coming around the table who here considers themselves a feminist

04:20:48.200 can we have the definition before you ask that question somebody who hates men

04:20:53.560 not me i'm straight huh i said not me i suppose you could still be by definition

04:20:58.920 hate men there's a lot of men they are difficult i'm not gonna lie but no i don't hate men

04:21:03.160 okay all right i'm being a little facetious well we went by your definition uh a feminist

04:21:12.120 somebody who

04:21:15.400 believes things that aren't true i'm sorry i'm not being very

04:21:19.400 i definitely am a feminist i'm not being very generous here

04:21:25.000 all right here the most the most generous definition uh somebody who advocates for women

04:21:30.760 and the rights of women that's the most generous definition i can give feminism by that definition

04:21:36.040 for sure

04:21:39.080 yeah so far it's been but no yes no yes so it depends on what your definition i suppose that's

04:21:44.360 the most generous definition i can give it well by going by that definition do you have a maybe a

04:21:48.920 counter definition for feminism no i don't that's the thing is like when he says that i want to be

04:21:52.840 specific what it is because um because of the debate that he's trying to get into so i just want to

04:21:59.000 well okay so my view of feminism is and i don't object to women's advocacy or women's rights but

04:22:09.240 because by definition but what i they're trying to paint it as this again there's nothing wrong to

04:22:15.000 fight for women's advocacy or women's rights but they claim to be fighting for equality and that's very

04:22:20.280 different than women's rights or women's advocacy so my view is for example if there is some form of

04:22:27.320 equality that does not stand to benefit women said feminists will not fight in order to secure said

04:22:34.200 equality where feminists or women do not stand to benefit from some form of equality they will not

04:22:40.200 fight for it i guess by that definition i'm not then so it's not clear so i guess when it comes to

04:22:45.640 feminists feminists saying they're for equality it's not clear to me if they're for equality we have

04:22:49.480 different strengths so i wouldn't believe that we could be equal like we do have different strengths

04:22:53.480 and i think we should be celebrated for those different strengths instead of trying to become

04:22:56.600 each other wouldn't it be in the in the way that we've equalized a lot of things in society given

04:23:02.120 women equal rights wouldn't it be equal to make women subject to military conscription that would that

04:23:09.480 would be equality but i'm i don't i don't believe i've never heard a feminist object to that yeah no

04:23:14.360 feminist feminist would say we want to do away with military conscription which is just not politically

04:23:19.880 tenable for any it's never going to happen you can't do away with military conscription i'm pretty

04:23:25.880 sure feminists will say that they want to be drafted you're thinking maybe like trad wives but

04:23:30.520 feminists no most i most feminine if very traditional what about this in florida in florida

04:23:37.800 there was a bill to why do you think feminists would say that no trad well do you think feminists

04:23:43.640 have like fought to want to enter male dominated spaces even if they don't benefit them maybe not

04:23:47.720 like only they don't like for instance feminists don't fight to go and have teams against professional

04:23:55.640 male nfl players do they but they did no that's a men's space do feminists try to go and advocate

04:24:04.920 that they can have teams of women go play football against male nfl players they literally do and then

04:24:11.000 people laugh at them which is somewhat justified in my opinion and people say they literally don't

04:24:15.480 they literally are not out there advocating for that they're out there advocating for their own

04:24:21.160 teams against women but not really teams against men in contact sports have you never heard a feminist

04:24:26.440 say that there should be desegregation of gender in sports yeah but they're talking to it the t

04:24:31.560 issue i'm not talking to that i don't no no i don't even mean in terms of t issue have you have

04:24:36.520 have you heard feminists say that like oh we as female athletes want to compete with male athletes

04:24:40.920 because i feel like that is something that they say and i think that's a more laughable point of feminism

04:24:44.680 it's possible they've said it but i've never heard that that's right i've never even seen what

04:24:49.160 what i've seen feminists do is move legislation towards having their own teams right having their

04:24:54.360 own leagues having the female version of the you know the wnba having all of that i've never seen them

04:25:01.320 advocate to have teams actually go up against the male i've never seen that with the t issue just

04:25:08.840 questioning as that progresses and i don't know how we're going to end up but i mean that's going to end up

04:25:13.720 being in question yeah but the feminists are against the t's some of them but some of them

04:25:19.720 are not most of them are most of the feminists are against the t's because of this because they say

04:25:24.440 we fought all this time to get our own leagues now you're going to let men in them that's why

04:25:28.600 they're so mad right yeah so yeah i think i think that this is an incorrect analysis honestly i think

04:25:35.320 i'm just too deep in the feminist discourse so like feminists go after turfs and turfs go after

04:25:39.240 people who say that so i think like i see it well turfs are the feminists the other ones aren't

04:25:43.320 feminists the other ones are post-modernists and they just kind of call themselves feminists but

04:25:47.720 turfs are actual feminists those were the ones who were in the 60s who were burning their bras

04:25:52.440 and doing all that that's that's why i think it's kind of like counterproductive to even say like oh

04:25:56.120 do feminists do this or this because even within feminist discourse like they all hate each other

04:25:59.640 yeah principles but that doesn't mean that there's not certain principles they both go towards

04:26:04.840 so and well in this case egalitarianism that would be one of the major ones and the assumption that

04:26:10.440 men and women can be interchangeable widgets whether or not they advocate and move legislation

04:26:16.680 towards something that makes sense like if we actually were interchangeable widgets should women's

04:26:21.320 team uh you know go up against men's nfl teams they may not push that way right instead they push

04:26:29.240 towards having their own teams this and that but definitely there's core underlying principles that

04:26:32.920 they're after i completely disagree i feel like i'm just way too deep in it like i just always hear

04:26:36.680 them butt heads it's like whether we should have a category for like female jeopardy winners or some

04:26:40.760 feminists think that that's super degrading to women i just i see all the conflict okay so when i'm

04:26:45.000 talking about principles let's make sure we clarify this you and i would agree on what egalitarianism is

04:26:49.880 do you think or do we would we need to define it yeah could you what's that yeah could you give

04:26:54.520 you a definition of egalitarianism it would be like a form of movement towards equality right but even that's

04:27:01.240 kind of vague right because there's so many different ways people can interpret it yeah but

04:27:04.680 i mean at some point we're gonna have to reduce it to something we can agree on so what do you

04:27:09.800 think egalitarianism is would that work for this or no no it would but like i'm saying like feminism

04:27:15.560 again is also a definition of pushing towards women's rights and equality but then there's so

04:27:19.640 much conflict about how you actually achieve that and what it means but i'm saying yeah what i'm saying

04:27:24.360 with the principle though like the principle of egalitarianism you're not going to say that modern

04:27:28.280 feminists and turfs and all of them don't believe in the principle of egalitarianism you're not going

04:27:33.720 to say any of them do like that's one core for the analysis of the whole that you would say is a

04:27:39.400 principle they have in common i'm not even trying to be devil's advocate i'm genuinely disagreeing

04:27:43.880 because i think a lot of turfs will say like we need our own spaces because we're physically

04:27:47.640 weaker like we need to be a protected that's the whole egalitarianism okay so then egalitarianism just

04:27:53.080 feels really broad right now well no there could be an analysis of which way you move for what is

04:27:58.360 equal but they still believe in the principle of the thing okay i just disagree like i said i think

04:28:03.480 a lot of turfs will say that like we are a weaker gender we need to be protected you think

04:28:07.000 turfs will say i don't believe in egalitarianism honestly i would yeah really yeah which ones

04:28:15.800 like i just said like the whole thing that makes them turfs is they're like we fought for women's

04:28:20.200 rights and equality and egalitarianism and now the t's are coming in and wrecking all that by

04:28:25.800 allowing men into women's space that's their whole thing right and typically they're saying it on the

04:28:30.840 premise that women are the weaker physically gender and so they want to be a protected class

04:28:35.400 they want to have locker rooms to themselves in which you get what i'm saying yeah but they're saying

04:28:40.040 if men can have their own teams we can have our own teams that's egalitarianism right i'm just saying

04:28:47.080 i've seen so many feminists say that they want to compete with men in sports i've seen so many

04:28:50.280 feminists say we want to be a protected class i've seen some say we don't want a separate category

04:28:53.880 for like female awards and intellectualism yeah but the principle would still be overlapping all of

04:28:58.200 those i guess but then the principle seems kind of irrelevant to the conversation because it doesn't

04:29:02.040 actually get at any of the issues that are being discussed then one of the faith my favorite things

04:29:05.160 that you've said all night then is that egalitarianism is so broad we don't even know what it means

04:29:09.720 okay so all right i'm fine with that we have a chat here uh i pulled this up earlier but it was uh

04:29:15.880 directed at you andrew andrew i respect your conviction but you can be nicer that's from

04:29:22.680 lumb the sky from canada i think i feel like um i feel like people often conflate when you're having

04:29:29.800 a heated argument or discussion or you say say things which are uncomfortable that that's meanness

04:29:35.880 doing like this i associate i associate kind yeah i associate uh i don't care what a woman's analysis

04:29:42.520 on what kindness is or meanness i have a different standard clearly on what those things are i don't

04:29:48.040 think that it's cruelty or uh being unkind or being mean to say things which are obviously objectively

04:29:55.560 true that people just don't want to hear because it makes them uncomfortable it's not objectively true

04:30:00.120 that i shouldn't have children that is not objectively that's not true i didn't say you

04:30:05.240 shouldn't have children you're you were like your yes nope your movement she said what happened was

04:30:12.360 she said i don't want to have children and i said yes your movement was an indication of your

04:30:17.400 forcing her but that action alone is what we're talking about and that action it's not kind why is

04:30:24.680 it unkind that's what she said because you did it with malice thank you see so it's in the tone not

04:30:31.400 what is said that's my point oh come on you can at least concede that you did that to be concede

04:30:36.200 nothing i mean he literally said it was an asshole move no zero concession can we rewind like

04:30:41.800 literally say that roll the tape yeah you shouldn't do it i'm just saying but you did it to be like

04:30:45.960 cheeky and a little bit yeah so the thing is is like was it hilarious yes but was it mean no it

04:30:52.600 wasn't mean was it hilarious mediocre at best yes then why were you laughing i wasn't laughing

04:30:58.840 well you should have been i didn't i know but she was okay well there you got one you should

04:31:03.320 have popped her one okay i'm not gonna do that so uh any anyone have anything dating related they'd

04:31:10.520 like to get off their chest here i'd like to talk about dating for a little portion of the show if you

04:31:15.640 guys don't don't buy it okay you're mediating now i love that i'm trying a little bit

04:31:20.120 i'm trying you were clicking a lot are you playing solitaire what are you playing solitaire no i've

04:31:26.200 never been four and a half hours i literally can hear you play when i see the mouse moving

04:31:31.960 don't worry about it don't worry about it uh all right so uh and does anybody have anything dating

04:31:37.640 related that they would like to get off their chest maybe for the ladies men are pissing you off in

04:31:43.560 some way you know they're not buying you your dinner uh you know whatever it may be is there

04:31:48.200 anything anything you guys want to talk about dating related maybe what about the orgasm gap we can

04:31:54.760 talk about orgasm gaps what is that apparently women are not coming as much as men that's in sexual

04:32:03.160 encounters i have a good dating topic you mean per sex per person what you got what are you talking

04:32:07.960 about i was i've been wondering about this bringing this topic up if if women think that

04:32:13.800 the sisterhood is stronger than the brotherhood when it comes to dating so meaning you think women

04:32:21.320 are more unified around um like uh keeping secrets and supporting each other and things like this

04:32:27.640 when it comes to the dating market that men are well men talk a lot though they talk way more than we

04:32:32.920 think no no they create podcasts where they talk i feel like women will ensure each other that

04:32:42.840 everything is okay no matter if it's right or wrong you mean that toxic best friend stuff yeah exactly

04:32:48.920 yeah i would argue that women i think we know it's a joke though when we do that to each other

04:32:53.320 i would argue that for example oh we got the chat bender the offender donated 200

04:32:59.480 dollars you could talk about how more women are cheating than men now is that is that true

04:33:06.520 is it true i don't know i've heard some studies i don't cheat perhaps it's the case i what look

04:33:14.280 why don't we go around the table and see who cheating more than men though man that's kind of

04:33:17.880 i mean i i would say though when it comes to who talks more for example women after an uh an

04:33:24.840 encounter the first time having sex with somebody hold on hold on guys instead of you look up a

04:33:30.920 show look look you know you lying can you stop interrupting please okay first time encounter a woman

04:33:40.200 is going to tell her best friend all the details about the encounter they're going to tell them

04:33:45.400 the penis size they're going to share intimate details whereas men most men i would say aren't

04:33:50.920 sharing those details with their friends like for example i would have to be dating a girl for like

04:33:56.760 three to six months before i even before any of my friends even know who she is really yeah i'm not

04:34:04.120 valid for mature adult men yeah like i'm not like yeah like girls girls will be like after having their

04:34:10.280 first uh sexual experience with a new guy will tell their girlfriend or girlfriends everything how big

04:34:16.760 was his dick how long did he last all these fucking details i refuse to share with my male

04:34:22.600 friends any sexual details they won't even know if i've slept with the girl i will not disclose because

04:34:28.520 i'm i don't want to i'm very discreet i would not disclose any detail any intimate details to even my

04:34:36.120 closest male friend oh you hung out with becky yesterday how was it brian oh it was good that's it

04:34:42.120 that's all my male friend is getting all you guys agree with that what if it was like a famous

04:34:46.200 instagram model i think for the most part yeah i've talked about as if it was like a famous ig

04:34:51.080 model who you and your friend have like talked about i don't date famous ig but but if they were

04:34:57.160 i mean like if some guy who like or some girl since you're famous if like some girl who you am i

04:35:01.080 famous i don't think so i'm hyping you up if some girl who like you and thank you boys have like

04:35:05.160 talked about like this girl's so hot like i don't talk to my i don't talk to my male friends about

04:35:09.960 oh my god but don't you think a lot of guys would becky's i was just gonna wonder if you guys i

04:35:15.000 was just racking my brain thinking about it as he was saying it and even when the years and years

04:35:22.200 ago if i had you know engaged with a woman and i was talking to my friend it would just be something

04:35:27.640 as simple as like yeah yeah i plowed her that was about it i wouldn't even say that there wasn't

04:35:34.040 any of that what year was this that you were plowing a long time ago long time ago

04:35:41.960 in my experience if i even dm a guy innocuously like i will hear about it through the great

04:35:46.280 god

04:35:57.240 see how you laughed at my joke i was laughing at your joke all right good answer wait what

04:36:05.720 oh you guys what about you guys same you guys don't talk about it no my friends just assume i

04:36:11.880 smash every girl they see me with like they don't get into detail you guys don't need to talk about

04:36:16.040 it yeah i don't need to say they just know it's just assumed yeah he definitely hit that it's assumed

04:36:23.400 well generally speaking i'm probably not going to be discussing those things

04:36:27.960 what about when if you if you touch a boop do you tell your friends if you touch a

04:36:31.400 boop have you touched a boop i don't uh kiss and tell no wait mason mason no okay they feel like

04:36:41.560 sandbags mason oh my goodness yeah well so no i don't i don't usually i'm not going to give dish out

04:36:50.200 details like i might tell a guy like the vague generalities but uh no it's not going to be like

04:36:56.920 specific huh we're more specific yeah yeah well i might hit on keynotes like what's a keynote i

04:37:05.320 don't know she's pleasant to be around i'm not going to be very descriptive it's going to be like

04:37:09.480 okay this is generally how her demeanor is i really like her yeah i like her yeah yeah that's cute

04:37:15.560 i would almost go to the point of if i was with a girl and i found out that she had told her

04:37:21.720 a female friend group intimate details about our first encounter that actually might be grounds for

04:37:30.360 me dumping her even if she's praising it yeah yes and she was like this was the best sex i've ever

04:37:35.800 had yeah i mean i suppose that's bet i suppose that's now that i now that i think of it if you were

04:37:42.200 to have a like talking to your friend about that would kind of be gay right because you're you're

04:37:47.560 basically then you have to picture your friend not having sex that's not what we do that's all

04:37:53.400 i think but that's yeah that's what i think i don't want to know i don't know you just you're just

04:37:59.800 excited for your friend like okay i feel like it's just it's it's disrespectful it's disrespectful

04:38:05.560 to share private intimate details with with your friend group but but i think it's something that's

04:38:13.400 super common among women like i would say the majority of women yeah this is like the most

04:38:17.720 intimate act you can have with a human being and you're just like airing that out to anybody and

04:38:23.400 just like almost indiscreetly the way that we're indiscriminately that's what i'm trying to say

04:38:27.240 the way that biologically works we work out is different though women get um we get a brain like

04:38:33.480 um energy surge from doing things like you'll like you'll see monkeys they'll pick at each other so

04:38:39.160 we get a brain energy surge from having these conversations about those types of by betraying

04:38:44.360 your partner you call it betraying but we call it it's like a sense of community it's it's biological

04:38:48.920 yeah by betraying your partner yes because we don't care about you guys i mean it is i mean it's

04:38:54.280 that is practically what's happening we just see it differently we're not trying it doesn't matter how

04:38:58.200 you see it but it's so common that women don't even realize how kind of problematic it is to be

04:39:05.320 sharing these intimate details about their partners i i like that's just it's the status quo

04:39:10.680 like i recognize that it's just it's just viewed as the normal social behavior to be sharing this

04:39:19.160 thing are we talking about partners or just people that we've like either i would i would like your

04:39:23.160 partner i the rules are slightly yeah but if if you're a woman who doesn't wait long periods of

04:39:28.760 time before having sex with a guy who he might end up because i would argue most adult relationships

04:39:34.280 in today's day and age it's not let's wait 10 dates and then have sex it's have sex fairly early

04:39:41.000 on continue seeing each other continue continue hooking up and then we find we like it we both

04:39:46.280 like each other we find ourselves now in a relationship so of course i mean if even if

04:39:51.320 that's the case where it's like well what if it's just a casual hookup that casual hookup could end up

04:39:56.040 becoming your boyfriend and you've already disclosed to your close female friends his penis size all

04:40:00.520 very a wide variety of various intimate details but you guys also don't even have names at that

04:40:05.720 point like you're elevator guy so like by the time you're my boyfriend that's even worse i mean

04:40:11.480 i'm not talking about hooking up i'm just saying like for instance like i used to have a guy and i

04:40:15.080 crushed at the gym so he was like gym bay and then there was like a really cute guy at the grocery

04:40:18.360 store so he was like grocery grocery store bay and it wasn't someone i was like interested in but

04:40:22.840 that being said i could be like yeah i was wearing this shirt of like whatever they don't even they

04:40:26.920 they don't have like a place yet until they do and then i feel like a relationship's different

04:40:31.480 yeah i mean look i get it i get that it's just something that women do but um you guys feel

04:40:36.840 betrayed by it i do think it's a betrayal of trust i mean it's uh it's interesting like like if i'm

04:40:42.520 meeting if i'm meeting imagine if i disclosed to my male friends like i told them something about

04:40:50.840 your pussy or something like wouldn't you feel a little uncomfortable meeting my friends like if you

04:40:55.960 knew that i told my male friend oh her pussy was like this and the lips were like this i mean

04:41:02.600 there's a bit of a stench and like you know like you feel like betrayed to some degree how would i

04:41:08.360 know that you told them i mean what if you found out though that's the point here's the thing if he

04:41:13.000 said something bad then we probably shouldn't be together and if he said something good i will feel

04:41:17.400 flattered okay i mean i guess i don't know what if he what if he showed the nudes what if you

04:41:23.720 no absolutely not but if he's describing he's describing it and giving them the visual okay

04:41:30.440 so actually so this is interesting so men are extremely visual creatures so but women are

04:41:37.000 extremely like emotionally descriptive creatures so like male pornography is very visual female

04:41:44.680 pornography is descriptive so it's like if you read pornographic novels yeah that's like the equivalent

04:41:50.120 so you're the equivalent indulgence in what you're saying as you're describing these things that is

04:41:56.440 the equivalent to sharing a nude for men yeah i think that good point it would have to be if in

04:42:03.480 my relationship i would just respect my boyfriend like whatever relationship i would respect so if he

04:42:08.040 felt like that for sure maybe i screwed up and he was elevated guy at first and like he might have got

04:42:12.920 a descriptor before then but once he becomes my man i'm i'm hoping that i'm gonna respect what he wants

04:42:17.400 and we've had that conversation and hearing this all from you guys is actually the first time i've

04:42:21.960 ever thought about it because we do use that as bonding and we don't necessarily i know what i'm

04:42:26.680 hearing or talking about it i don't it's not really even about that person it's about my experience with

04:42:30.280 it how did you feel with it how did it make you feel what was your situation with this and that's kind

04:42:34.440 of what we kind of bond over i guess yeah yeah i mean it's it's nice to hear like we're like your

04:42:40.920 thought process as you're having those discussions but kind of going back to the point of i want to

04:42:46.600 find a woman uh so as andrew was talking about i want to find a woman who's going to put my needs

04:42:51.000 above her own i want her to think about how is this going to make me look in front of her friends

04:42:57.320 so yeah and i i really appreciate that you're acknowledging like this is not something i thought

04:43:01.640 about yeah and maybe it's going to be something that you'll consider down the road yeah absolutely i

04:43:05.720 think i also don't like talking about my relationship with change yes anything gonna

04:43:10.120 change i mean i think that i don't think people change people i grow i don't think maybe it's

04:43:15.560 something that you uh regret that you've done in the past i don't i don't think that i've done that

04:43:19.720 us men can say we don't like it when the the women that we've hooked up with or even our potential

04:43:24.760 future girlfriends disclose to their female friend group various intimate details that you know in our

04:43:31.000 view or in my view ought to remain private between us because they are just that

04:43:35.400 intimate details uh i think it's probably the case that even if we were to articulate this

04:43:41.000 that women are still going they you guys enjoy this kind of you guys enjoy sharing these details

04:43:46.760 it's the tea it's the gossip you guys like talking about really yeah like that's a little bit i mean

04:43:54.520 what he's saying yes like maybe if it's my boyfriend i will do it out of respect but like for instance

04:43:59.000 i recently had like a rendezvous with someone who i think is interested in me and the place that we

04:44:05.640 rendezvoused was a very unique place and so like i did i told my roommate like and i told him that i

04:44:13.560 told my roommate and he was like oh you're telling the girls and it wasn't girls it was just my roommate

04:44:17.400 because like we're both single and sometimes we like we'll talk about our dates and so yeah i mean i

04:44:22.360 did i but i told him as well and right now that i'm thinking about it he's might have had like he might

04:44:26.680 be having a thought like well if you do something i don't know if he's even thinking that far ahead

04:44:30.200 because we're not like that yet but it's just interesting because i'm like i'm now i'm thinking

04:44:34.200 like i wonder if he's right and and just to add sort of to mason's point here um if a girl sent me

04:44:41.800 like a sexy photo or nude photo i would never share that with anybody my eyes only my eyes only so

04:44:49.080 that's get shared with everybody just well okay i get i get if there's like a

04:44:54.280 that's get shared with i think that's a bit different though are you talking like a guy who

04:44:58.200 like who's sending a dick pic if you i don't believe i don't think men should do that by the

04:45:02.200 way i don't do that i've never sent a nude photo or a dick pic or anything well good i i granted

04:45:09.400 i would not object to receiving to receiving pussy pics i'm just saying ladies if you want

04:45:16.040 to send me a pussy this is the last episode too i'm for it you're requesting i'm for it blm big

04:45:22.920 labia matter would you like to join my organization it wouldn't actually fit into your um oh crew

04:45:30.520 yeah because i don't solidarity hello yeah i just i wouldn't i yep is it because you don't go team

04:45:37.720 yes i see yes sorry i didn't so i don't want to hope that wasn't too prying i want to take it away

04:45:42.200 no but you can still be uh like solidarity i want you to be happy so whatever that means i'm down for

04:45:48.520 that you know any but no i'm kidding um okay good i don't rip do you guys talk about that do

04:45:54.200 the girls like share like we don't really talk about that but i can tell you the first time i

04:45:58.600 saw one i was like what the fuck and then she was like yeah and i was like wow i didn't know they

04:46:03.480 came in different shapes and sizes like word is this something you talk about maddie like with your

04:46:09.800 girlfriends you guys just go into the is that what you guys do when you go into the bathroom

04:46:14.600 together no yeah i didn't talk about it good talk anybody talk about penises no no not really

04:46:23.000 that's what i'm saying dude mine's like an immature thing like only teenagers do this stuff

04:46:29.480 yeah yeah i was a teenager how did we get how did we get into this you brought it up

04:46:38.200 he just looks wait oh did we're we going around the table on are you a feminist and then you asked

04:46:43.960 me for a definite somebody asked me for a definition or something and then we were talking about oh did

04:46:48.360 we did we get everybody said oh geez i'm we were talking about you now had brought up if we talk

04:46:53.480 about interactions with our men with our women word that's what you had moved to word anybody

04:47:01.560 anything dating related they'd like to get off their their chest anything i just think oh i was

04:47:06.040 initially gonna say earlier when you asked a similar question is i i feel my biggest um issue when it comes

04:47:14.120 to dating is uh just emotionally immature people in general like that being a running theme of lacking

04:47:20.280 communication lacking um the desire to process emotions outside of either unhealthy coping skills or

04:47:30.920 um in in ways that are just not conducive to healthy relationships and i feel i find that to be

04:47:38.680 like my biggest barrier and even being interested in someone i see oh we have we have a reddit post we

04:47:45.080 need to react to nick if you can uh pull up the reddit post this kind of went god i think it was on

04:47:51.560 the new york the new york post uh reacted to it

04:48:03.480 yep can you scroll up so it's readable are my dating deal breakers too strict can you put us on the other

04:48:12.040 side uh i'm a 29 year old can you make it a little bigger all right i'm a 29 year old straight man who

04:48:20.200 has been actively dating since i turned 18. in that time i've met a wide array of women and have

04:48:24.440 constructed a short deal breaker list to help me determine suitability early in the dating stage i

04:48:30.040 showed this to a friend who said it was too strict and quite discriminatory here it is has cheated in a

04:48:35.800 past relationship takes recreational drugs on a regular basis has an incurable std is currently in

04:48:43.000 this situation ship or has a friend with benefits has low standards of hygiene is a sex worker whether

04:48:49.080 online or in person has extreme political views is a single mother to one or more children that's a good

04:48:56.440 list you said it was too strict do you guys think that's too strict of a list great list

04:49:03.000 great list i agree it's a great list solid list i don't have an opinion about the list but i don't

04:49:08.840 think it's too strict that's honestly what i feel too i just think like it's like you know at the end

04:49:14.760 of the day that's his prerogative if those things were to cause contention um or negative aspects and

04:49:21.720 within the relationship from the foundation of it then those are his deal breakers and that's his right

04:49:27.400 i think would you guys recommend them though i'm sorry recommend what like let's say

04:49:33.720 if i i'm sure you said great list right and you do relationship coaching so you would recommend

04:49:40.760 that list to other people right like you should adopt this yeah yeah so would you guys do that

04:49:45.640 would you tell people they should adopt that list absolutely there are things on that list that i would

04:49:51.000 recommend but as a whole i mean there are things that i don't think are deal breakers so i wouldn't

04:49:56.360 necessarily recommend it because i would only recommend something that was something i would

04:50:00.920 co-sign and i personally don't co-sign like like i said some of those things i would some of them are

04:50:06.760 not deal breakers for me um so like for example a single parent my my ex is a single parent so like

04:50:13.240 that's not a deal breaker to me yeah that's so kind of the point of this is to say the reason let's say

04:50:19.320 he was guilty of everything on the list everything but in his capacity uh as a coach recommended to

04:50:28.840 other men to follow that list because that would be in their best interest most of the time that's

04:50:35.080 the kind of the spirit yeah that's the spirit of what we're talking about so pretend for a second if

04:50:39.080 you were a relationship coach for men would you recommend this same type of list that he would

04:50:44.680 recommend the question my biggest thing is i don't think single mothers as a whole should be

04:50:50.840 a deal breaker as a generality or someone who's cheating in the past because sometimes people like

04:50:57.160 you know they've made a grow they change like and that's a case by case and probably not the

04:51:01.960 majority of experience but it is enough of an aspect to take into account that's actually one of

04:51:08.040 the predominant factors that predicts if someone will cheat though if they've cheated in the past

04:51:12.280 so there's just something i'm not saying it's not but i'm not saying that that's not objectively

04:51:17.320 true or not but i'm just saying that there are i there are cases where that's not true and i'm

04:51:23.080 willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt if i like them enough and trust them enough

04:51:26.360 and their current version of self and i feel that people can prove like actionable change within

04:51:32.920 themselves not necessarily just physically but mentally emotionally through therapy work other

04:51:38.680 aspects as well um career change several factors that can embolden them to stop toxic cycles and it's

04:51:47.800 unfortunately a rare thing that occurs in current society but it does happen and i want to give

04:51:53.800 someone on an individual basis that that chance so a deal breaker for me is an absolute and meaning that

04:52:04.920 if there's the possibility that that could be a situation that i could work with and i wouldn't

04:52:10.600 consider that a deal breaker i would consider that like a pink that flag versus a red flag you see what

04:52:16.840 i'm saying yeah i get what you're saying i don't disagree i might be able to i i could adopt that that

04:52:21.560 position but i don't think i'll be able to to adopt that position if it were someone that holds your

04:52:28.520 point of view on your idea of regret so elaborate so okay so if someone is so if someone has engaged

04:52:38.040 in the activity of cheating i want them to be able to have regret for what they've done recognize that

04:52:45.880 that was wrong it was evil and it was destructive to that relationship or to future relationships i want

04:52:52.200 them to be have done the emotional groundwork to work through that understand suss out what was wrong

04:52:58.440 with that be able to come to me and show me like i i toiled over this i see what where i messed up it

04:53:06.600 was wrong i regret that decision i wish i did not do it and like there is tangible evidence to that effect

04:53:14.680 then i could get on board yeah and you know i'll be honest when it comes to regret that is a topic in my

04:53:19.400 life i think i have flip-flopped on and i have struggled to understand my relationship with

04:53:25.320 because i've had like you know from being born to 18 i was a mormon and then i had a few years in my

04:53:31.320 early 20s where i was just angry at the world and then i had like a very committed monogamous lifestyle

04:53:38.920 relationship and then i threw myself into another extreme so i've had these like sections in life

04:53:43.800 from like very from like operating from very different perspectives and very different

04:53:49.400 um like modalities places within myself and so um i just feel that essentially

04:53:59.240 based on what you just said it really does make me want to reflect my perception of regret okay so

04:54:05.080 yeah yeah i think that that's and that i am the kind of person where like i really do continually like

04:54:12.120 um self-actualize myself i'm very self-aware wait can you just speak sorry yeah i'm very self-aware

04:54:17.800 and so like i'm willing to admit when i'm wrong or when i think i can improve upon something and i

04:54:23.640 am the kind of person that wants to strive to better myself even if i don't necessarily know how or how to

04:54:29.640 overcome certain disconnects i have because of like aspects of myself my identity yeah yeah my you're

04:54:36.600 moving i just i gotta move on um so guys uh we're gonna do about 30 more minutes so i i lowered the uh tts and

04:54:45.800 the read threshold it's 50 and 100 50 to uh or sorry excuse me wait hold on 50 and up to read

04:54:52.760 answer 100 and up now triggers tts uh nick i think we just keep the lights on to be honest

04:54:58.680 uh we don't i guess it's the after show but we'll keep the lights on as is um so i don't know if we get

04:55:07.640 back into this uh we need something juicy here at the end we need to get into some juicy topics here

04:55:15.080 juicy topics we've got 30 minutes left let's get into it let's keep stalling yeah just okay uh

04:55:24.600 uh

04:55:28.600 fuck it can you be sexist against men

04:55:43.640 that was some good timing

04:55:44.760 i believe that sexism racism these these general large topics have systemic

04:55:57.080 impact okay and because of that i believe that discrimination can happen to anyone

04:56:05.720 but these systems that are in place for things like sexism have an oppression factor

04:56:14.920 from the systems that are set in place and people that benefit more versus the other and so

04:56:21.080 i believe that men can be discriminated against but i do not believe

04:56:25.000 that women can be sexist towards men can men be sexist towards other men

04:56:31.560 i mean they can be they can be like what's the word i'm looking for i guess like

04:56:42.840 dangerous towards men well can can women be sexist towards other women yeah terminalized misogyny

04:56:50.200 yeah okay a lot of buzzwords coming here before i have anybody respond to that i want to get i'll go

04:56:55.560 around the table and you also said i'll just double up on the question can you be racist towards white people

04:57:05.160 if you can just straighten into the mic by the very definition you just used

04:57:09.240 well just go ahead i just like i mean at the end of the day i'm not really super interested in having a

04:57:15.240 heated back and forth debate on my beliefs on this because they're just my beliefs and i could be

04:57:20.840 related to dating somehow you know if you were dating i mean i don't i personally if you were

04:57:25.160 dating a white person i'm waiting it could be related i'm waiting what if the sexism question

04:57:30.840 definitely is yeah i personally do not use race as a factor of attraction so like i will i'm i would

04:57:39.560 date any race i race is not something that is a yay or a nay it's just an aspect of someone's

04:57:46.680 person and i am the kind of so should i just can we call it ethnicity is that okay are we not all

04:57:51.640 just human or yeah i mean yeah correct and we are okay i can agree should i just assume that your

04:57:58.200 answer is no you cannot be racist against white people that's that's my belief yes do you want

04:58:03.400 oh you could have just so wait yeah yeah i mean in short yes do you want to just say it yourself

04:58:08.920 just so i'm not i don't want to speak for you i mean i'm agreeing with your point i don't know why i

04:58:14.040 have to verbatim you know okay faro yes i think you can be sexist against men and racist against

04:58:21.240 white people okay why you look don't look at me that way what the book

04:58:29.720 start start with can you be sexist against men and can you be racist against white people the way that

04:58:36.600 i mean what she's saying the way that it's supposed to be set up or my understanding of it and i find to

04:58:42.360 be corrected on this but my understanding that is that i don't really know that much about sexism as

04:58:47.160 far as like if they're the exact same just via sex then okay but racism you have to hold the hierarchy

04:58:54.360 in a society because then you benefit from the the constructs that were put in the society so that's

04:59:01.640 the reason why you could be racist so if you're not benefiting from it then you couldn't be racist from

04:59:06.280 it so if those are the same then i guess by that definition no but i would have to do further

04:59:11.560 thought on that i would say um no uh you can't be sexist to men and yes you could be racist to a

04:59:23.080 white person but you so you can't be sexist towards men no i feel like you just want to be different

04:59:30.600 no i think it depends where you're at too right and i feel like i thought she's a based catholic

04:59:37.080 she was until she said that until she said that um so wait you can't be sexist towards

04:59:45.320 these are even questions i guess it depends on where you're at right so like if you're in trinidad

04:59:49.160 you could be racist towards a white person okay so location matters yes well i feel because i've been

04:59:55.480 like well where i'm at where i stay um there's like people that are like racist to white people

05:00:05.000 they could they probably but okay but what but it seems like you acknowledge that you can be racist

05:00:09.400 towards white people but i'm trying to delve into the can't be sexist towards men

05:00:14.520 i just feel like i don't know how to explain myself that well um i don't know i just feel like

05:00:27.080 you can't like i just don't think so you know i don't know how to explain how might somebody be

05:00:34.040 sexist towards a woman can i skip skip you want to skip yeah i'm getting would it be would it be

05:00:47.720 easier to do to do it in spanish it's okay no can you say it in spanish i can understand yeah oh no

05:00:57.240 you speak spanish no not at all i was gonna wait for her to like do the whole thing in spanish and

05:01:01.240 then tell her i didn't speak spanish because i just thought that would be hilarious you can't

05:01:08.920 i just thought it'd be funny you can go but it didn't work out or just madison yeah

05:01:16.520 that's how you can be sexist towards a woman that's how you can be sexist towards asian there

05:01:18.040 we go exactly um yes and yes okay uh yeah and yeah absolutely yes to both

05:01:27.400 yeah yeah yes yes to both for sure yes to both so okay we obviously clearly there's a few people

05:01:35.000 who disagree here on both of these uh let's let's talk it out here let's see what where we we can

05:01:41.160 arrive at i have a quick question maybe to kick it off when you say um that i understand i think kind

05:01:49.480 of like your general argument is to say white people have um maybe like institutional or systemic

05:01:56.520 power and you can't be racist unless you have that power okay that's what i think but you could be

05:02:02.680 bigoted for sure okay morally is being bigoted and being racist the same um i don't know into the mic

05:02:13.480 i don't know like are they the equivalent so if you're bigoted towards somebody

05:02:17.480 or you're racist towards somebody can you define what you mean by is one worse than the other can

05:02:21.640 you define what like what the definitions are for well for you bigoted would just mean you're you're

05:02:27.960 doing what the white person would be doing to the black person that's racist in reverse but that can't

05:02:32.920 be racist so you're calling it bigoted so that's how i would describe that phenomenon but i think that

05:02:40.280 so like let's say let's say um if somebody said the n-word towards a black person you would consider

05:02:46.440 that racist right um if a if white dude said like the hard r in word to i would consider him to be

05:02:55.320 racist right so that would be so he would be racist but if the reverse happened and they said like um

05:03:01.320 you know cracker yeah exactly you would just say that that's bigoted right well the thing is is that

05:03:06.360 when you i mean sure but i think the the difference is that when you call someone a cracker they can be

05:03:14.280 like oh you're offending me but it's not going to stop them from moving forward where historically

05:03:19.160 the other word does yeah i get okay i understand the argument there but what i'm asking is are they

05:03:25.480 morally equivalent or is one worse than the other because i i associate racism with violence for me

05:03:33.960 yeah but i mean big bigotry could lead to violence for sure but i don't associate him like i just from

05:03:39.320 i don't like they might be that's why i asked you what your definition is yes well i mean by your

05:03:43.320 definition if somebody was doing the racial thing in reverse but you can't call it racism because

05:03:48.840 there's no systemic power right they could definitely be doing that and have done it for violent reasons

05:03:54.440 right so the association's definitely there right so as far as a moral equivalency goes i'm just trying

05:04:01.080 to figure out how is one worse or more immoral than the other one oh yeah i did i mean

05:04:05.560 it's for me that would still be a negative yes yeah but are they equally immoral whereas one more

05:04:13.640 immoral than the other um i think it would depend on the action like if you call me the n-word and i

05:04:19.800 call you a cracker i think yours probably would be more immoral than mine maybe should we say the c

05:04:25.800 word is that wrong i feel like we got it i think you can't be racist you can't be racist we should

05:04:30.520 probably say the c i'm also white so right well you can't do that on it might be might be yeah

05:04:35.880 no she didn't know might be pick up on food let's just be careful

05:04:44.520 yeah so you think that the the racism in that point is worse than the bigotry it's a it's morally worse

05:04:53.960 because of the history that comes with it i probably would feel that way yeah

05:04:57.480 but what's interesting about this and this is why asses for any other action that i can think of

05:05:05.320 and i've thought about this a lot there's any other action which comes up that you just kind of rename

05:05:11.640 the thing which is the same exact thing as the other thing you just don't give it the same qualifier

05:05:16.760 they're always equally immoral i can't i can't think of a single one that i can make that application

05:05:23.480 to where it's not equally as bad because we're basically just calling it something else even

05:05:29.240 though it's exactly the same set of actions can you think of any i like it for instance if a husband

05:05:35.960 cheated and a wife cheated is that that's equally bad right okay but if um if a a woman hurt a dog

05:05:45.160 and a man hurt a dog that's equally bad right but if a white person is racist and a black person is

05:05:52.280 racist you say bigotry for the black person being racist that's not equally bad i don't think it's

05:05:58.440 not i think that when someone's being negative i just it's already bad like i won't encourage that

05:06:03.960 but with the history that comes with it there's just even like epigenetics like there's certain like

05:06:10.440 feelings you'll even get that's going to be deeper rooted um and the connotation that comes with it

05:06:15.400 it's just going to be more like for instance if someone calls me fat i can decide to give that word

05:06:21.480 like i can decide to give that word meaning and that can hurt my feelings or i could be like oh it

05:06:25.720 doesn't really matter and i feel like when you're white and you get called that you have the choice of

05:06:29.720 being like oh it doesn't really matter and when you're black you don't really get that choice what

05:06:34.200 prevents you from having that choice the way you feel about the word how the word the history of the

05:06:38.040 the word the history of the things the way you feel the way you feel is not a choice

05:06:44.360 but the way you feel is still going to be affected by what happened yeah that's true but isn't how you

05:06:47.960 feel a choice it's still going to be affected by what happened yeah i don't understand though because

05:06:52.120 you're what you said earlier just like seconds ago was it's not really a choice and i said why isn't

05:06:59.160 it a choice you said because it's how you feel and i said isn't how you feel a choice you say yes

05:07:03.800 i mean the choice it's not really a choice as far as like the history that already comes with the

05:07:09.080 word so like it already that's already a staple there wasn't people being murdered based on the

05:07:15.480 c word there wasn't people being our word based on the c word there wasn't whole civilization being

05:07:21.560 wiped out based on the c word but there was based on the n word so i'm more curious about the sexist

05:07:29.160 thing though wait i want to say one thing kind of an analogy i'm not saying i subscribe to this but i think

05:07:32.760 the argument is more like it's not like one person hitting another they see it more like

05:07:36.840 if um certain races have been subject to like systemic discrimination they see it more like

05:07:41.320 you've already been hit 10 times and if one more hit is going to hurt you more than someone who has

05:07:45.400 never been hit you will be charged differently for that so i think that's how they how come you don't

05:07:49.560 ascribe to that um because i don't know if every single person is like carrying that like historic

05:07:56.040 load i'm just saying that's the argument right so in other words so what she's saying and this is a

05:08:00.360 good point if somebody came over let's say um who had was not in the united states let's say for

05:08:09.080 more than like six months right you would agree with me that the word that word would have to impact

05:08:15.080 them less than right yeah it does actually yeah so i mean if it does then does that mean that you can be

05:08:21.640 uh or that person if that particular person could they be racist to white people for sure

05:08:30.360 for sure because i mean depending on where they're they're they're so black people so then

05:08:34.120 black people can be racist towards white people i never said they couldn't my statements was my

05:08:39.400 my statement was that it depends on where they're located so they're located here right but if so but if

05:08:46.200 they're not from here if they're from dominican republic then they're them being out here and

05:08:51.640 then being out there is going to be different but they're still black people right yes okay well then

05:08:56.680 black people can hear be racist to white people not if they're for me at that my understanding of

05:09:03.240 the word racist means that you have the systematic um benefit hierarchy and so that's my understanding of

05:09:09.080 the word wait i have a question on that they still be at the bottom i do have one question you're

05:09:13.480 talking about a hierarchy right so for example could let's say when barack obama was president could

05:09:20.920 he have a racist view against a white homeless person

05:09:31.240 the president of the united states who's arguably the most powerful person in the world

05:09:36.360 could he have a racist view on say a white homeless person so i guess yeah is that i don't know if

05:09:44.520 that's a good i don't understand i don't know well i guess that makes sense because the person that

05:09:48.920 sits atop the hierarchy is black therefore during his administration white people could not have been

05:09:57.240 racist against black people but black people could have been racist against white people because he sat

05:10:02.680 atop the hierarchy the system was still set up by white people having he's still subscribing to a

05:10:07.240 white system system but the systemic issue i'm i'm asking specifically him as an individual as a black

05:10:13.240 subscribing to a white system he's still living by the as the president of the united states who has

05:10:19.240 the most who's the most powerful person and we know that president doesn't make the end he i mean

05:10:24.040 there's a whole congress like and there's a whole checks and balances do you think a white homeless

05:10:27.800 do you think a white homeless person has more power and privilege than a black president of

05:10:33.400 the united states i think in some people's eyes yeah which is unfortunate white homeless person i

05:10:39.720 think that's that's racism like there's gonna be people in many kkk people are going to appreciate

05:10:45.000 the white homeless person or the kkk have no power in this country whatsoever but i'm just talking

05:10:49.880 about racism but that's okay well that's okay well they don't have power though yeah okay so by your

05:10:54.440 definition but they do have power the kkk have influence for sure do hey nick can you pull up

05:11:01.880 the uh the podcast that would be like saying though that if there was a white president and

05:11:06.440 the black panthers didn't like it was the same argument but black panthers are not the same

05:11:11.080 even close to the same kind of group as the kkk yeah i'm not even disputing that historic that's

05:11:17.560 historically factually true you're right about that but yeah but it's still the same argument to say

05:11:22.360 the reason that we would value this more still is because there's some people in society who would

05:11:27.880 still value the white bum more than the black president yeah and it's like okay but that's going

05:11:33.240 to be true the opposite way too so that makes no sense the system still only benefits one side i have

05:11:39.320 only but that's not mainly mainly i've got a couple photos that we can react to that are related to this

05:11:45.320 nick so i want you to pull up the i believe these should be ordered the same for both of us

05:11:50.600 they're the third one fourth one fifth one and sixth one uh the first one starts with csu v do you see

05:11:59.800 it so just load the uh third fourth fifth six and they're not not that great the cookies are not that

05:12:09.640 great it's taking you like an hour to eat you got you got it just do want to just get the first one

05:12:19.720 all right uh the world according to a feminist uh so you got the women can you make us a little

05:12:27.720 bigger a little bigger put us on the other uh corner corner just corner us corner us corner

05:12:34.760 is the is there another corner okay just give us do the small one please small small small yeah and

05:12:42.040 make make make it bigger okay uh the world according to a feminist all those look at those women and

05:12:49.560 then there's the guy who the homeless guy privileged oh you know okay all right that's but you have to

05:12:55.960 understand though that all of the systems are set up for him yeah apparently um they are and the fact

05:13:01.800 that he failed is incredible oh my god i guess okay if it weren't like that i mean like just

05:13:11.160 no no well hold on first off there's affirmative action for women so that's a system that benefits

05:13:16.840 women thank god what system helps men it's not clear to me here pull up there's more there's more

05:13:22.280 the um white male privilege the constitution whoa whoa whoa let's be careful there all right we're in

05:13:29.000 what in the constitution benefits white men specifically created equal wait does that not

05:13:33.720 include what do you guys think about this this is uh at the time it's not

05:13:40.520 is anybody noticing that's not in the constitution force of men and black men became okay if you want

05:13:47.720 to talk about the time it also didn't come back to it it included some white men that's it so if we

05:13:53.560 talk about the intent of the founding fathers they the intent and you can go to thomas jefferson's

05:14:00.120 letters to specific individuals talking about how he wanted to make the language in the constitution

05:14:06.840 more broad to include literally every single person well he was an abolitionist yeah and so

05:14:12.520 exactly he was an abolitionist he hated slavery and he actively tried to release all of his slaves

05:14:17.640 but was legally not allowed to do so until he died in which he did so there is this like

05:14:26.120 pervasive verbiage in usually the left side of the political spectrum that likes to paint the founding

05:14:32.280 fathers as extremely racist and writing the constitution as something to oppress minorities and oppress the

05:14:43.640 specific gender so women which is not the case you have them with the intent to release those people of

05:14:50.600 those systemic oppressions that they uh that they experienced in other countries so like in england i mean

05:14:59.640 religious oppression the slave trade all of those things they wrote the verbiage in the constitution

05:15:06.040 so that eventually we would get to a point where we sit in here today where people would be able to read

05:15:11.400 that verbiage and see all men are created equal and we can sit here and know that they meant all men

05:15:17.400 are created equal there's some more photos we got you didn't even see that second photo nick if you can

05:15:22.680 pull up the photo thank you kate for the 10 memberships white white we often hear male privilege white privilege

05:15:30.920 you know what i think every feminist should watch all quiet on the western front and then decide if there's

05:15:38.440 male privilege uh wait there's more photos we got more photos that's the d-day landing that was i don't

05:15:43.240 know if that's i mean okay wait to be fair to that one um there was a lot of black men who fought in

05:15:49.240 world war ii that is true yes there were there was the the harlem hell fighters in world war one and

05:15:57.720 yeah um nick pull up the please uh oh there's a this chat here i'll just read they have done the studies on

05:16:04.440 the dna test wait no no no okay never just pull up the foot i'll read it later the world according

05:16:11.080 to a feminist oppressed privileged yeah that's also true there's actually a lot of truth the theme of

05:16:18.280 these photos is just the there's so much there's just the complete like degradation of uh nuance

05:16:25.400 just they just lack nuance in its entirety because the whole well the whole aspect of

05:16:30.840 like oppression versus privilege when you speak about privilege privilege people like to hyper focus

05:16:35.480 on the standard definition of privilege being about like how much money you have like how much access

05:16:41.480 you have to resources things like that wherein privilege much like much of the english language is

05:16:46.360 a word that can have multiple meanings and in this context privilege is more about um the societal

05:16:55.320 systematic aspect with which is a generality and not down to the individual and these are focusing on

05:17:03.960 like the individual stereotypes and archetypes

05:17:08.280 what are you calling it ecological uh ecological fallacy everyone's are talking at once yeah

05:17:12.520 what are you just basically calling it an ecological fallacy

05:17:17.400 i don't want to say yes because i'm i'm not sure what that means

05:17:20.120 that what what when you take the individual and then you attribute it to the general okay

05:17:24.200 well then i would say yes i'm just not familiar with the term are you talking about apex fallacy

05:17:28.520 no it's the ecological ecological ecological it's the ecological fallacy okay okay i can see how the

05:17:35.480 word derives yeah okay that makes sense oh yeah that sounds well here pull up the last photo and then

05:17:41.160 we got the last one i think there's one more we got one more scroll up make it bigger uh yep so i don't know a

05:17:49.080 lot of truth in that one too stop oppressing me sorry you know uh you know male privilege and

05:17:57.160 even apologize for something he didn't do wrong because class privilege and oppression is not

05:18:02.040 about race but they all are factors within each other the point isn't that he's at work the point

05:18:05.960 is the kind of work he's doing the kind of work he's doing is not the kind of work that women do

05:18:10.120 pretty much ever anywhere at any time for any reason that's that's the privilege so the privilege is

05:18:15.640 is are you systematically oppressed while your sewers are taken care of for you while you have

05:18:20.280 air conditioning while you live in modernity and all modern technology and every dangerous

05:18:24.760 fucking job on planet earth is done by men is that oppressive having a baby is a pretty dangerous

05:18:30.600 job no it's not it's very safe job are you going to say that because i can look at infant mortality

05:18:36.120 rates and from pregnant from pregnant women and the the mortality rates of the mothers a very safe job

05:18:42.440 very very safe for women to have children the difference is okay like you're doing that that's

05:18:49.160 your job and then we've got our own job like that's okay yeah you do you have a job um but you demand to

05:18:55.000 have also egalitarianism inside society between the sexes and the thing is is like your job is clearly

05:19:01.640 far less valuable than our job because without us maintaining the entirety of the infrastructure for

05:19:07.880 which women's pampered asses can even uh exist inside of society they would collapse and how do

05:19:15.080 i know this because i have 2200 years of history to look at to watch the progression of them literally

05:19:22.360 folding like cheap chairs and being passed between enemy armies like it was nothing they were literally

05:19:28.920 chattel if we decided that they were and instead we have massive amounts of technological uh advancements

05:19:35.560 which have allowed for women to even exist in modernity and instead of being praised for it men

05:19:42.120 are treated like absolute garbage i think you guys are great thanks for doing everything i had

05:19:47.320 responding to this wait i had a video i posted a um video with when you asked uh a woman was asked who

05:19:54.040 did she think was better or who was stronger or what were women better at than men and she said everything

05:20:00.600 everything and i responded to that wait was it on the show no no i i posted i had um is it on your

05:20:07.320 instagram or yeah it's like a one minute reaction is it pretty we can we can pull it up i can send it

05:20:11.720 i can send it to the dm to the whatever d yeah or we can just try to search for what it's on your

05:20:16.280 instagram yeah it's on my instagram is it pretty close to the top it should be nick just pull up his

05:20:20.920 instagram that's probably the easiest uh you can also send a message send the actual video to the

05:20:27.000 the whatever instagram and nick can also pull it up that way um oh yeah i found it already okay oh

05:20:34.040 he already he's he's already got it yeah you can send it through he's on it he is on it uh good talk

05:20:42.280 good talk okay so what do you guys think about um birth control who show of hands who's on birth

05:20:50.040 control just curious anybody on birth control i've never been on birth control anybody birth control

05:20:57.000 birth control i did the iud once okay i'll just send it nick all right nick if you can pull that

05:21:01.400 up that's not a funny oh while nick is pulling that up oh hold on very fucking awful the other cost

05:21:07.400 donated two hundred dollars oh both the kkk and black panthers were co-opted by the fbi

05:21:14.040 cointelpro in order to divide the races they have a lot in common

05:21:18.760 oh theotokos thank you man thank you thank you it's actually a pretty good point now that i think

05:21:27.640 about it all right we have uh hold on i'll just show this one really quick and then we'll pull up the uh

05:21:34.120 the video we have joe the giant they have done studies on the dna test conversation from earlier

05:21:39.400 it showed 33 of children are not with their real fathers and the fathers have no clue i just want to just

05:21:45.400 so we can be factual here the numbers that you're referencing it's not it's not looking at the

05:21:52.680 entire population it's the study is they're looking at the amount of cohort of men who have who have

05:21:59.960 seeked to to get paternity testing so of course that's going to likely yield a higher misrepresent

05:22:07.320 because they they see in their partner attendance like their behaviors that would lead them to

05:22:12.280 to indicate that there has been right i don't think it's 33 percent among all married couples yes

05:22:18.520 but but of the men who do challenge paternity it is uh i don't know if they're i'm just going to take

05:22:25.480 your word for it that is 33 but yeah uh nick you got the video but that would show though that

05:22:34.120 it's it's likely vastly underreported yes yeah absolutely absolutely it does it does give me

05:22:40.120 reason to be like okay i want a paternity test oh hold on hold on we'll just nickelodeon donated 100

05:22:48.840 andrew how can you say having a baby is a safe job almost every woman i know that's had a baby has

05:22:55.480 ended up in the hospital because of the pregnancy

05:22:57.960 what was i thinking safest job ever sorry most unsafe they all ended up in the hospital

05:23:10.760 all right we can pull up the video well i'm so safe the hospital wouldn't be needed but okay

05:23:14.920 i mean it's not you can have your babies at home we did it for thousands of years

05:23:18.360 yeah the infant mortality rate was usually due to infections and post post-mortem right and that's

05:23:27.720 what the hospital prevents yeah okay but you can prevent it now too because you have this cool thing

05:23:31.880 called an alcohol pad and you understand how infections work and so the thing is it's like

05:23:37.400 plenty of women go ahead and have babies at home and the post-mortem not really a problem i would

05:23:44.120 actually be fascinated to see like theory like in the u.s now for the people who choose to have

05:23:49.880 their babies at home what is the infant mortality rate compared to having it in the hospital well

05:23:53.720 they still have probably a midwife too they're not going to be right i'd be interested to know that

05:23:58.200 no one really does it by themselves especially with especially with like current legislation like

05:24:02.920 we would be held liable if things went wrong well no i'm all i'm saying is like i just want to

05:24:08.040 like given like a having salute like medical solutions at home like i know i know people

05:24:16.440 specifically who choose to have home births if i ever yeah yeah so like i just i'm intrigued to

05:24:22.120 know what that statistic would be just so i could be able to like to see if anything's changed you're

05:24:26.280 like what yeah yeah i mean i i agree i would be interested too did you mean postpartum instead of

05:24:32.040 post-mortem oh yeah postpartum yeah just just wanted i saw some chats there just wanted to

05:24:36.600 clarify um okay is this the one yeah yeah i'll just break it down and ask a simple question yeah

05:24:45.960 audio would be helpful you'll probably need a ree reefer can you make it a little bigger also

05:24:53.640 uh instagram's so whack their audio player it's dog or their video player my bad

05:24:59.880 men are better than men at everything everything guys are super now i'm not going to respond to

05:25:05.000 this all crazy but what we are going to do is create a scenario let's say that everything that

05:25:09.000 a male human has ever discovered built constructed a little bit thought of innovated renovated

05:25:15.000 created gone obliterated instantaneously everywhere on the face of the planet technological

05:25:21.160 advancements transportation the power grid infrastructure stem medicine all of it gone eradicated

05:25:28.360 not to mention law and order and protection i'm talking dog breeds newton's laws of motion and

05:25:33.480 energy held a pythagorean theorem gone even the animals including the predators that ben drove to

05:25:38.760 extinction reintroduced and now women have to reconstruct society from the ground up without the aid of a

05:25:44.440 man or anything that a man invented that includes instructions as well and women have to accomplish

05:25:49.720 this either pregnant or menstruating men are incapable of doing anything to help now what becomes of

05:25:55.240 society and humanity within just one year thing okay okay also we have we had a chat here that

05:26:03.160 came in from theo tokos thank you man lumber workers have 10x higher death rates than mothers

05:26:07.880 everything is a lie uh q did you want to add anything to the video or no no it was all laid out right there

05:26:15.160 okay so this uh there's a thought experiment and it's an excellent thought experiment and so

05:26:20.440 that i've i've made similar thought experiments as well and so have thousands of other people who's

05:26:26.920 just kind of saying you had a wand and all the men were gone tomorrow for whatever reason

05:26:33.400 how could society maintain itself absent men and when you really start to break down thought

05:26:40.920 experiment you start to dive into all the jobs that they do everything that they're into uh the

05:26:46.200 distinctions in just skill based not to mention the physiological differences like the fact that

05:26:50.840 women really can't do a lot of the men's jobs that's one of the big things that is a big lie too

05:26:56.280 women really can't they're not even physiologically equipped to be outside for long periods of time

05:27:01.720 doing things like roofing asphalt laying their body can't even regulate temperature the same way

05:27:06.840 so what happens is society after one year to answer to your thought experiment is completely destroyed

05:27:13.480 and 99 of the life on it is gone with it that's what i think

05:27:18.680 or human life i think animal life finishes oh yeah it's got plenty to eat

05:27:25.080 that's why i said the predators that we drove to extinction reintroduced

05:27:28.840 yep farrah you got i thought you had thoughts on this topic i said you could be sexist towards men

05:27:35.960 oh what that okay yeah yeah no no but what andrew just said like i guess i would

05:27:41.080 because you you kind of you dunked on me you you clip you did a little clip on me like because i

05:27:46.920 was like i said oh yeah would hit the fan if all men disappeared you get so mad at me because i'm not

05:27:51.560 mad at you call him stupid i'm not mad at you i'm not mad i'm just reeling you into the conversation

05:27:57.880 now that you've had six months to digest our argument you want to bring it back up what are you

05:28:02.280 what that was not six months ago how's that relevant at all i don't know why it's fresh on your mind

05:28:07.000 what are you talking we're literally talking about the topic at hand it just seemed kind of fresh

05:28:13.640 yes i'm deeply i'm deeply triggered by he's good life seating for six months waiting it's just like

05:28:19.880 you have a show three times a week with ten new people and it just seemed like i don't know

05:28:24.520 elephant's memory it came up like a great compliment that he remembers it even after doing shows where

05:28:29.880 there's ten i'm just teasing him but yeah i mean i would agree with you i think like men are generally

05:28:34.120 undervalued and i think feminists do kind of absorb and regurgitate a lot of buzzwords without

05:28:38.120 understanding like where those arguments actually came from in feminist literature i would hesitate

05:28:42.120 to put too much emphasis in male bronze because the labor force you know what i mean is shifting

05:28:45.800 towards valuing brains over bronze and i think that's why we're that's a destiny argument i didn't

05:28:50.120 get it from him yeah but he's wrong i didn't just like you're wrong about it it's actually not

05:28:54.760 the fact of the matter is we're not really able to replace brawn very well at all for instance

05:28:59.080 for instance where's all of our robotic roofers you ever seen one i'm sure we'll get there soon

05:29:05.160 oh wait really how how do you think that they're going to you're going to get robot roofers to go

05:29:09.960 to people's individual houses and patch roofs i don't know we have like military robots now i

05:29:14.520 wasn't even disputing your point that men should be valued more i was more so just saying that like

05:29:18.680 i think the reason men are struggling partly is because they're feeling like a sense of cultural

05:29:22.520 redundancy because a lot of the labor market is focusing on brains over bronze and women are out

05:29:27.080 what actually happened was that women were told to go to college college was highly overvalued and

05:29:32.760 now as everybody can do it the market is becoming inundated because it's tailored to the lowest common

05:29:38.520 denominator meaning if you lower the standards so that everybody can do it right the standards

05:29:44.120 necessarily become lower to accommodate the most amount of people so more and more people got a

05:29:49.800 college degree the market's completely saturated with it but it wasn't before so women accelerated but

05:29:55.880 you'll see that that gap it's closing is closing quickly and you see the gap in pay with trades

05:30:01.560 between even stem fields that's closing quickly too it's going to continue to close because we can't

05:30:07.720 actually get rid of the big thing which is the brawn the thing women can't bring to the table which is

05:30:14.120 they can't they can't do road work they can't do roofing they can't do any of the really intrinsic or

05:30:20.840 hard bronze based labor don't you think a lot of those jobs have diminished over time because

05:30:26.280 now things are getting built and they're like architecture is sustaining for a long time so i

05:30:29.880 feel like those jobs are becoming smaller top two jobs that you would say for men that you would want

05:30:36.520 immigrants to come in and do what what do you think i don't understand wait what do you think

05:30:40.520 that male immigrants when they come in right for work you would want more of them to come in and work and

05:30:46.200 expand the economy what would you say the male immigrants usually do usually do

05:30:55.000 i i genuinely don't know what would you think

05:30:59.400 you're in you're in california and there's kind of something really famous yeah the general stereotype

05:31:05.960 of what immigrants who come in from south of the border are doing is what dishwashing no

05:31:10.200 something paid under the table they work in farms they would literally work on fun that it's like

05:31:16.520 the most famous thing california ever is that they work it's everywhere but even that number is going

05:31:20.440 down like used to be 90 of americans are farmers my point is like now it's shrinking it's okay yeah

05:31:24.520 yeah but the my point to you back is that it's an ever-expanding field a necessary ever-expanding

05:31:30.360 field because people need to eat yes because the amount of people that are necessary to feed the

05:31:36.120 amount of people necessarily grow so it's expanding expanding expanding now with the birthbreak

05:31:40.440 contraction we might have problems with that later and we will but what i'm saying is that with that

05:31:44.760 expansion of people comes the expansion of necessity of houses and all those other things that grow the

05:31:49.960 gdp that progressives like you and destiny would love to have to happen so much which means that no

05:31:56.040 you're going to have to actually expand the brawn and that's what you're going to see his projection

05:32:01.080 totally wrong and that projection there of eliminating the brawn or moving away from brawn

05:32:06.120 that's not true we're moving towards it again there was a limited market saturation now that's

05:32:10.840 changing again i genuinely have not heard him say that like i do my own research and reading but um

05:32:15.640 come on i genuinely don't i'm kidding i'm joking that was a funny joke no i just feel like i always

05:32:21.320 have to wipe his piss off of me because i feel like people think because we're friends and i like

05:32:25.160 arguments but like we do not co-sign on each other's arguments all right well that's a destiny

05:32:29.960 argument just so you know okay i'm not saying that you got it from him i'm just saying something i

05:32:35.160 hear him regurgitate when he's arguing i mean we probably read some of the same stuff but um

05:32:40.200 yeah like i said i wasn't trying to undervalue the necessity for like bronze and like manual labor

05:32:44.920 i was more so saying that like i think just treating the value of masculinity as just being

05:32:49.480 synonymous with bronze i feel like is just only responding to like a very marginal percent of like

05:32:55.080 what men are doing is my point because that's going down yeah we're not really associating

05:32:59.160 masculinity with brawn as much as talking about the necessity of brawn in society

05:33:04.360 butler donated one hundred dollars brian how can you let the girl in red tell you ten men ran a

05:33:10.520 train on her without mentioning condoms do not protect from genital herpes and she definitely has

05:33:16.840 it i've been cdc incoming nuke isn't that the dude always makes the he every every show it's he he's

05:33:25.640 about late you're a little late jay butler uh i was wondering where you were um the nuke hold on

05:33:35.960 okay there there it is all right the nuke has been sent um all right um here we actually have a

05:33:43.320 couple videos kind of related to this nick if you can go in the videos tab the men tab uh iron workers

05:33:49.000 iron workers one oil rig power line snow roughnecks and then electrical worker uh why don't you pull

05:34:00.840 those up we also got one do we do the burj khalifa one that's okay we don't have to do that one if you

05:34:06.840 can get all those pulled up um that one send me that video you made videos men and then iron iron

05:34:12.920 workers roughnecks electrical worker

05:34:18.760 it's podcast videos no you're in the wrong it's podcast videos men in the dropbox folder

05:34:27.720 so hold on while you do that i'm gonna get some i'll get i'll do some chats nick can you pull up

05:34:31.560 the obs please so we can uh oh wait hold on i'll come back to that okay being cheeks does far wear

05:34:38.520 frames without glasses liberals are not intellectuals with your social media talk on sex you keep outing

05:34:43.400 yourself as being non-virgin you can keep up the act for simps but real man real man see through

05:34:50.120 the bs not real men also is your dental hygiene bad i never see you smile i feel like i smile sometimes

05:34:56.440 um if i was trying to like keep up some act of being a virgin why would i be currently turning up

05:35:00.680 content of skits where i talk about having a high body counts like if it was an act why would i be

05:35:06.040 putting out the content that he says counteracts me being a virgin it just doesn't make any sense

05:35:09.880 is that the old like hide out in the right in the open right they're just like referring to like

05:35:16.040 skits i put out yeah um they're not taking in the context okay it's iron workers power line

05:35:25.000 snow roughnecks electrical worker oil rig that's five videos they're all kind of right in close

05:35:32.840 proximity to the other

05:35:37.080 here okay while you do that being cheeks the kkk does have power but in the form of the democrats

05:35:42.120 if you do not know that look up the history on the party that created the kkk and then tell me if

05:35:47.400 you're still a left-leaning democrat if so you fill fully support the kkk as they oppress blacks from

05:35:54.920 beating cheeks there you have it folks thank you cheeks appreciate it brother we have llama

05:36:02.360 the sky merci beaucoup for the canadian 50 i've worked in tech for years brawn will not be replaced

05:36:08.440 because it's still cheaper to hire a man roofer than to operate and maintain an advanced robot to do the

05:36:13.400 job to the same level it's actually easier to replace the simpler brain jobs right that's that's

05:36:19.960 very true yep okay interesting thank you uh thank you there uh you got them nick

05:36:25.320 wait read them read them one more time i got iron workers one

05:36:43.560 what wait are you in the videos men folder yeah

05:36:49.880 uh sure you said iron workers i thought yeah pull it up for me no you're

05:36:58.600 podcast videos men podcast videos men

05:37:09.880 come on nick come on

05:37:13.560 said multiple i said multiple times all right um okay here we have another chat here

05:37:19.880 uh modest to comma we know some of the panel doesn't live in reality already panel what is a woman

05:37:28.120 i guess we'll go around the table on this what is a woman

05:37:36.920 i feel like i'm walking into a trap with this crew of people you said trap

05:37:42.600 um but um i would say being a woman is more than biological i think that's female versus male i think

05:37:53.160 being a woman is um an identity and something that you know

05:38:01.960 i don't quite know how to explain it i just feel like it's something that

05:38:16.440 yeah i don't know i'm blanking actually i'm sorry

05:38:18.360 you're asking me i'm gonna pass for now what okay um

05:38:35.480 a woman someone was born with the correct chromosomes correct that makes them a woman

05:38:44.360 um

05:38:48.360 um i agree with misty misty um a woman is someone that is born

05:38:58.360 you know what a woman is bash the stampede donated 100 dollars oh there you have it help

05:39:03.880 it's an adult female it's not it's not you're wrong it's an adult human female adult human female

05:39:11.640 okay there you have it modest comma there you have it uh nick do you have the videos that's an

05:39:18.920 awesome name though bash campede it's good try gun uh excellent yes try gun good anime uh make it one

05:39:26.120 bigger i think it's could be zoomed in one bigger well can you start from the beginning you got some iron

05:39:32.760 workers here wait just mute the audio just mute the audio all right okay scary it's scary right yeah

05:39:44.600 i see two men probably all right okay and then you have the operators and yeah uh next video nick you

05:39:52.360 can pause that one oh i just wanted iron workers one which videos do you have pulled up just x out of

05:39:59.400 that which which tell me which ones you have pulled up and i'll uh iron workers two and then oil rig and

05:40:07.480 then the last one was uh okay i need here we already looked at iron workers one i need electrical

05:40:14.120 worker oil rig power line snow roughnecks

05:40:20.920 just can you get one going one of them going yeah such a juicy after show

05:40:30.360 that it sounded sarcastic all right we got look at the there's a look at that you can maybe one bigger

05:40:37.080 so it's full screen like full screen i think you could probably go one more

05:40:40.760 more is it moving or just the ocean around it

05:40:46.600 yeah i think it's currently it's moving it's probably it's probably all men on there okay well

05:40:52.440 i think the cameras move next next one no so the actual platform itself is moving right yeah

05:41:00.600 so yeah no it's it's center of mass is below the surface of the ocean so it doesn't like wobble

05:41:06.760 side to side but it goes up and down go ahead nick you can next yeah all right oh that's

05:41:18.360 all right so here's a guy on a power line i believe he's in i believe this is a in china

05:41:24.680 and it's snowing and he's connected to it and it's probably what 100 100 plus foot drop

05:41:32.680 probably more crap myself that's so scary and uh he's connected oh is he disconnecting himself from

05:41:39.720 his all right i don't know i can yeah oh he's disconnecting himself and reconnect himself on the

05:41:45.400 other side yeah how far down does that look uh that's pretty far so oh he he is somewhat you know

05:42:00.760 okay all right anxiety okay he's fixing something on the power line okay next one we got another one

05:42:07.880 one we got another one here god uh what what do we got got the you know the other ones you know the

05:42:19.800 other one's definitely these men are like willfully doing these jobs or are they like just they just

05:42:39.400 they pay really well it's not even clear to me if they pay all that well but here electrical uh electrical

05:42:46.520 worker roughnecks in china i don't know man they might be forced to do it it's more like uh they

05:42:53.480 got a sniper on the ridge and if you don't do your job you might not see your family

05:43:02.440 i mean they gave him a safety harness yeah exactly yeah it'll be fine yeah

05:43:08.200 a loop around the leaf might fall off of his mind uh skip to like a minute 25 and that would break

05:43:14.120 so make it bigger oh my gosh especially in the cold yeah uh play it

05:43:30.520 uh skip forward just a little bit yeah that's good

05:43:36.360 um oh my gosh so he's on the helicopter fixing a power line i guess and i guess he's now attaching

05:43:42.920 himself power line okay all right there's that okay all right and then just iron the roughnecks one

05:43:51.800 make it okay thank god bro

05:43:59.160 and then uh skip for i think uh

05:44:03.320 that's you know something yeah all right i'm into it these guys will call it oh my god

05:44:09.480 oh my god skip skip skip forward a little bit to see the

05:44:18.040 all right so this is they're throwing around heavy machinery uh if their hands get cotton in it they

05:44:23.320 lose the hand uh you know all right they're doing that for you know what 10 hours a day or something so

05:44:31.400 not sure why i brought those videos up i i don't know because we were talking about infrastructure

05:44:41.880 yeah well so as society increases and the amount of technology that's needed to sustain society as it

05:44:49.400 increases you're going to need more guys just like that to be able to maintain like the power grid to

05:44:56.280 maintain how much oil is necessary uh so as we are increasing our electrical need so when we're

05:45:04.520 starting to incorporate all electric cars so as we're moving to more electric

05:45:11.960 butler donated one hundred dollars brian she's giving you the angry herpes stare be careful this

05:45:18.840 strain is airborne possibly deadly it could be the end of california maybe it's the only way gavin

05:45:25.080 newsome can be stopped hashtag herpes hashtag herpes hello oh my gosh

05:45:36.440 is that the stare is that i wasn't giving you is that the stare he's talking about

05:45:40.840 i don't know i i wasn't looking at he's got to be staring at her to know that she's staring let's

05:45:46.680 just yeah jay butler stop staring i just i don't really want to entertain the okay you literally have

05:45:54.680 a fan he's paying money yeah i know like he's yeah he hasn't only fans if you want to follow maybe

05:46:00.520 i'm an ex model but i have i do have an experience very sad about that so if you want to like go watch

05:46:05.640 my vlogs yeah jay butler slide into the dms or do what you got to do man okay all right theoticus

05:46:12.360 what is a woman requires knowing there's a difference in the sexes women will have to

05:46:16.120 rescind their current false exaltation by the managerial class women are always used for revolutions

05:46:22.440 look up oh there you have it folks okay all right theotokos thank you man appreciate it

05:46:29.800 all right guys um i think we're did you have a little more to add no that's okay i mean i think

05:46:35.000 i got my point across okay any final thoughts before i wrap up here fine folk

05:46:41.320 thanks for having us thank you for coming that was an interesting conversation

05:46:46.760 can i read what gabby wrote now what what did you the apology no it's not what did she write

05:46:54.360 she sent you more tags wait oh god it's not what you okay ready uh-oh

05:47:06.600 she said read that out loud okay the five guys i asked to be my boyfriend in the last episode

05:47:12.840 wait what i don't care i don't care about that she should have just stuck to her commitment to

05:47:21.080 come on the show instead of last minute taking imagine how like if she had said

05:47:27.560 a week ago hey i'm getting a book i'm gonna take a different gig she didn't know until

05:47:32.440 until the day of okay we'll be on like hold and then we'll get the booking that day and you've got

05:47:38.760 to tell your agent yes and they drop you and respectfully i mean you would probably say this

05:47:42.280 do the same what do you mean that you you're her agent would drop her if she didn't that's

05:47:47.320 basically no because like so she get a 1500 job you say no to the job that's their 10 that they're

05:47:52.840 missing out on 20 yeah but you're as the as the as somebody who's familiar with the entertainment

05:47:58.360 industry you as the talent has the agency to pick which gigs you do and do not do right but when the

05:48:04.840 agency gets you a gig and you already said yes to it and then you book it then you have to say yes to

05:48:09.000 it but she had already committed we had booked this with her month like a month i don't know exactly

05:48:15.480 when but a month in advance i'm gonna tell you i'm i don't know what it really was right but if

05:48:20.040 you've already agreed to be on the show you should you should hold to your commitment because you're

05:48:25.960 that should have like i get that she wants to make like a 1500 here in any case she it's i would argue

05:48:35.000 that the right thing to do would be to say even though she stands to make more supposedly more money

05:48:41.320 mess up the relationship with the agent no you don't yeah you said it if it's a last minute thing

05:48:46.440 she's perfectly within her right to say i've already made a commitment how it works of course

05:48:50.920 that's how it works the booking i know the booking is last minute bro you as the talent you're you're

05:48:58.600 the king you are the king you don't your agent no no your agent does not get to dictate where if

05:49:05.640 you take a shoot or not they're a good agency you don't want to risk losing them no that's not how

05:49:10.520 it works they work for you they do work they work for you you're the talent who's had an agent for

05:49:15.560 over 10 years i'm telling you that is how it works i don't know how long you've had an age that's not

05:49:19.480 i don't i don't have an agent so then word i do my own thing i do my own business all i'm telling you

05:49:24.440 is that i promise you but i've grown up in southern california my whole life like so you know i'm

05:49:29.320 familiar like yeah like so it's it's it's i'm well i'm here and i love you i think well i i do at least

05:49:37.800 want to give you credit because when typically what we have happened when like a friend group

05:49:42.840 if one girl cancels the dominoes just so i'm at least giving you credit for you showing up

05:49:49.480 despite show up to things i say i'm going to do and i appreciate that i appreciate that on a paid job

05:49:54.840 you would have flaked last minute that's incredibly rude i i understand that i would have but i i also

05:50:00.200 probably would have let you know hey look i may be up for a booking this day i cannot i cannot fully

05:50:03.880 come in i would tell you probably but i don't know i don't know i wouldn't have i mean i

05:50:07.560 would have just another day no well i would have just booked other people but it's like

05:50:14.840 if you're letting us know day of it's not enough time to secure other guests typically

05:50:20.680 you did a great job well everybody huh you did a great job well okay

05:50:27.000 it's just like i know you're upset i'm sorry and shannon the other like i would have not her i know but

05:50:33.640 it's just like and i offered her a ride and she told me that she should have at least still come

05:50:39.880 i thought she would she told me that she uh i don't remember what she said something about

05:50:43.320 she wasn't going to be able to make it and i was like okay

05:50:47.880 okay i mean she's full of shit she just probably got cold feet or something i mean i don't know i

05:50:52.360 don't know her at all no it's not your fault but it's just i because you decided to bring up gabby

05:50:57.800 again i'm just i thought you might want to hear about it no i don't if she if she would have had

05:51:03.880 the decency and the etiquette to to stick to her commitment then i would have been happy to hear all

05:51:11.000 of her dating hijinks got you but if she's not here you don't want to hear it i don't give frankly i don't

05:51:17.800 give a fuck i'm not considering her for rebooking i'm not considering shannon for rebooking because if

05:51:23.240 you're going to do that to us there's there's no guarantee that you're not going to just flake last

05:51:28.040 minute again so i've cannot consider them again for future shows it's incredibly rude and disrespectful

05:51:36.760 it's what shannon did is even worse because i i still think what gabby did is bad to just you've

05:51:42.600 made a commitment something just because something better comes along if you have the opportunity to

05:51:48.680 turn down that other opportunity and it wouldn't sour anything and whereas it would sour the existing

05:51:57.320 commitment that you have then i think you ought to stick to the commitment that you made for example

05:52:02.360 for example let's say i agreed to meet somebody for for a date and then a hotter chick comes along and

05:52:10.760 says brian i would like to hang out with you on the exact same date that you already have a date

05:52:15.800 this is a hypothetical scenario here bear in mind i would hold my commitment to that person

05:52:25.160 and then if i wanted to go on the date with the other person i'd say maybe there's another

05:52:29.000 time we could go on the date what if they said there was no other time you have incredible integrity

05:52:34.520 though that you should be proud of that i i guess i mean it just i think the the whatever the paid gig was

05:52:45.800 uh i think it it does more it interferes more the harm is better than the gain i guess because by flaking

05:52:56.360 last minute on the show the the issues that it causes for our production i think is is a greater negative

05:53:07.880 than it is a positive okay whatever it's just we deal with fucking flakes all the time and it's super

05:53:15.080 fucking annoying and she didn't she claimed she had an emergency but now you're telling me that that

05:53:19.400 would be an emergency an emergency yeah how's an emergency well if you mean but when i think when

05:53:27.000 somebody tells me it's an emergency i think they they're having some medical thing there's something

05:53:31.720 going on with a family member so not only did she flake on her commitment she also lied about

05:53:36.680 it which people which people frequently do maybe she was lying to me i suspect she's more likely to

05:53:42.440 lying about it i suspect she's she's more likely to lie to me than she is to lie to you i mean i don't

05:53:47.640 know but i can tell you that i know she felt really badly about it i'm sure yes i'm sure she felt

05:53:52.520 all the way absolutely terrible about it she loves your show she's very excited about it i know

05:53:57.080 like she was hyped and very excited she's been checking in and making sure i was going to show

05:54:00.520 up for the longest time because i was like yeah i'm going to come but i had like a rehearsal before

05:54:04.280 so i know that her thought processes she was very excited about it it's just like her the shannon girl

05:54:10.120 who's friends with her shannon was the one who was pushing for us to do another plus size panel

05:54:16.280 which that completely fell apart had she been on before i don't know that girl no she had not been on

05:54:21.080 before but she reached out to us asking to be on the show and like it's just shocking to me she

05:54:26.760 wasn't prepared to take a ride with you she was going to ride with gabby i don't she has her own

05:54:32.840 car she was well she said gabby and come to my house really bro there's so there's lies upon lies

05:54:39.080 here because she told me that her she was having car trouble oh maybe so i don't know what the truth

05:54:46.680 is i don't know what's what's true what's not either um look anyways i it's just uh we deal one of the

05:54:55.240 major issues that we deal with on the show is people being flaky um and it's just causes so

05:55:02.840 much disruption to our production it's it's stressful so it's um ah it's just annoying um so yeah

05:55:14.120 anyways i just got tilted because you brought her up so whatever um okay let me read the final chats and

05:55:20.360 then uh here we have uh trenton welcome back madison show isn't the same without you you ever going

05:55:26.120 to put on that jacket far let's go grab some coffees on time

05:55:32.120 cool all right we have pradeep here pradeep i don't know what uh is this

05:55:39.160 anyone know what currency that is divorce rates are increasing in 50 50 is because men are insecure

05:55:44.120 of career women or 50 50 makes people compare deliverables and no two people can do the same job

05:55:49.320 with the same zeal on contrary workload excuse me workload on housewives is then career woman

05:55:55.640 in bro i don't know what the you are saying dude thoughts um he paid to say it

05:56:04.200 uh what can anybody parse what he is saying here

05:56:07.320 okay whatever i'm gonna wrap the show um i'm gonna wrap okay all right guys last call hit the

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05:57:21.080 here make sure we're not missing any of our uh chats or anything i'm just double checking here guys

05:57:26.920 no i think we're good okay uh oh i need to see oh sevens in the chat guys oh sevens in the chat

05:57:35.560 tuesday 5 p.m pacific got some good that's some good stuff coming on tuesday guys so be sure to tune

05:57:41.800 in um yeah good times okay guys we'll uh see you guys next time hope you guys have a good night

05:57:49.560 and we'll see you tuesday

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