Whatever Podcast - American Gladiators Special Edition w⧸ Nitro & Ice!

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00:01:37.080 have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell us about yourselves. Go ahead. Or Dan,

00:01:42.760 why don't you go first? Oh, hey, my name is Dan Nitro Clark. I used to do a television show

00:01:48.200 called American Gladiators. I've just had a very fun documentary series on Netflix called Muscles

00:01:55.580 of Mayhem that thanks to everyone's support was number one in the United States, debuted it. And

00:02:01.880 I'm with my good friend here. I'm Lori Fetrick. I played Ice on the American Gladiators. I have

00:02:07.800 a podcast called Chillin' with Ice. And yes, the Muscles of Mayhem documentary was amazing.

00:02:14.220 It was great. Oh, my God. It was awesome. So thanks for having us. Well, thank you guys for

00:02:19.600 coming. And I think you both are underselling yourselves a little bit because, I mean, Dan,

00:02:23.600 there's certainly you have a lot more achievements than just having been a Gladiator. And of course,

00:02:29.660 the documentary was incredibly successful. But and you too, Ice, we can get into that. Or just

00:02:34.040 point of clarification. Do you guys prefer Dan and Lori or Nitro, Ice, whatever? Whatever comes out of

00:02:41.580 your mouth. Okay. All right. There we go. Madison, do you want to introduce yourself? My name is

00:02:46.660 Madison. I am 18 years old. I guess I'm the now co-host. For today. For today. You're on probation.

00:02:53.560 Okay. Okay. For today, I'm the co-host of the Whatever Podcast. I'm also a student at Santa Barbara

00:02:58.960 City College studying accounting and business as well as a host at a bar. Lovely. Okay, cool. So

00:03:05.280 before we kind of get into it, what's your guys' current relationship status? So are you single,

00:03:12.560 talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule,

00:03:17.460 sex cult, any of the above? Damn. There's quite a few. How long have you been, if you're single,

00:03:25.300 how long have you been single? Or how long have you been in a relationship? And what's your

00:03:29.480 longest relationship? So right now, I live with a fantastic woman. We raise her son together. We've

00:03:37.580 both been married before. So at this point, after seven years, we have decided not to get married.

00:03:45.160 But we still talk about it. I think once you've been married, you kind of know what the deal is. You

00:03:51.040 know that there is a 65 to 70% failure rate in Southern California. So why are you going to buy

00:03:59.680 into a failing institution if you've already done it? Your car is broke. It breaks down. Why would you

00:04:05.580 go buy that car again? So no, not married, but very, very happy, probably for the first time in my life

00:04:12.860 with 100% with one woman. And sorry for all the women before that. I just said I wasn't happy with

00:04:20.940 one woman. But yeah, that's my status right now. And you've been with her for how long? You said

00:04:26.160 seven years with your friend? She knows exactly. But let's say it's seven or eight years, somewhere

00:04:30.360 in that ball hood. Because there was the, how do you call it, the hanging and banging days,

00:04:34.600 you know, and then, you know, gradually you progress into a very meaningful and substantial

00:04:39.760 relationship. Okay. Did you fall asleep on that? I did. No, I was captivated. I was captivated.

00:04:46.100 And you said at one point, though, you were previously married. Is that correct?

00:04:49.980 Yeah, I was married for about five years. Five years. So I look, I wanted to see what it was. So I

00:04:55.640 was a guy who grew up and, you know, to me, women were fun. And when they stopped being fun, I just

00:05:03.100 found new fun. And as I started to get through my 20s, I felt like this thing inside that wasn't

00:05:10.520 fulfilled. So I've always heard about true love. This is what true love, it's happiness, the movies,

00:05:15.560 the books, the commercials. They tell you true love is where happiness is. So I said, I'm going

00:05:20.180 to try it. So I found a girl and I tried it. And it was a social experiment that lasted about three

00:05:28.040 years. And we ended up total, I think it was five years. But I do have a son from a previous

00:05:32.820 relationship. Right. Yeah. Do you have any other kids or just the one? I have the stepson who lives

00:05:38.060 with us now. He's fantastic. Okay. In one step. Yeah. My son, Tyler, he's a great kid. He lives

00:05:42.960 in Portugal and it was an accident. His mother told me that she couldn't get pregnant.

00:05:48.860 I read that in your book. Yes. I read Teresa, right? Yeah. Yeah. Just bring it out there.

00:05:54.900 Yeah. It's in the book. Yeah. It's in the book. Yeah. So she said she couldn't get pregnant,

00:06:00.180 but it was like the biggest head fake because it wasn't like, you know, I'm on the pill. It wasn't

00:06:04.960 any of that. It was like, I do not ovulate. And I'm 23 years old at the time. And she was 28. And

00:06:11.480 I figured, okay, she doesn't ovulate. It's okay. Go ahead, fire away. And then about six months down

00:06:16.720 the road, she says to me, oh my God, it's a miracle of God. And neither of us are religious.

00:06:22.060 She says, a miracle of God, I'm pregnant. And I'm like, how can you get pregnant? You don't even

00:06:26.400 ovulate. And then she said something to me that I'll never forget. And she said, well, either it's a

00:06:31.960 miracle of God, or you have very strong sperm. And I was like, yeah, 23. I've got strong sperm.

00:06:40.740 Later, as I got to know her, I realized that I was a big, dumb, muscular idiot who fell for the

00:06:48.380 oldest trick in the book. But out of that, I got a fantastic son who I love to death.

00:06:52.300 So she baby trapped you, kind of.

00:06:55.000 I think she, I didn't have any money at the time. So I know it wasn't for the money. And like,

00:06:59.500 I'm a, I'm a half breed. So I don't know if it was for the genetics. I don't know what happened.

00:07:04.860 I don't know how that happened. I don't know why she'd do that. But yeah, the,

00:07:08.540 the strong sperm line just, I mean, is that possible? You don't ovulate that they could

00:07:13.760 go up the floppy too.

00:07:16.160 Hey, FDG. Thank you for the 50 gifted memberships. I think she, I spoke with her. She's going to

00:07:23.480 actually be gifting 30, uh, 50 memberships every 30 minutes. So if you guys want to stay tuned and

00:07:28.860 get it, grab yourselves a membership, uh, wait, so, okay. She, Teresa, uh, you have to say her name.

00:07:34.980 Do you have to say her name? Oh, we'll call her, uh, my son's mother, baby mama. Okay. Uh, baby mama.

00:07:40.940 Yeah. Baby mama. Sorry. It was in the book. So, you know, I read, I read the book, but, uh, she, uh,

00:07:46.520 did she ever try to collect child support from you or what? She did for 18 years. Oh, really? Uh,

00:07:51.900 yeah. Yeah. Cause, cause I had read in the book that she, she, I mean, you were, you were younger.

00:07:57.920 I think you were, was it 23? 22. I was 22 and she was in her thirties. She was 28. Okay. 29. Yeah.

00:08:03.760 Six, six, seven years old. Yeah. And it sounded like she was doing fairly, like she had a career,

00:08:09.260 she was making her own money. You were living with her and here you are a young guy who it sounded like

00:08:15.480 at the time you weren't really, you're kind of scraping by and then she, for her to come after

00:08:21.140 for child support seems. Well, you know what it, look, it's my responsibility. It's my son,

00:08:26.400 you know, as, as men, we need to take care regardless of who owns, who has more money,

00:08:31.240 who doesn't matter as, as a man or as a woman, you need to take care of your offspring.

00:08:35.120 And it took me a while to learn that when I first had him, I was playing football over in Italy.

00:08:39.620 And, um, you know, I just got a call in the middle of the night, you have a son. I said,

00:08:43.100 Oh, is he healthy? Great. Click. And that was it. Then I got home and she did the smartest thing

00:08:47.960 because I got home from Italy. I'd gone out and I partied and she called me and it was, uh, like

00:08:53.080 seven in the morning and I'd been up all night and I said, Oh God, I'm so hung over, you know,

00:08:57.420 don't come over. Just, you know, I'll see my son later. Cause he was six months old at the time.

00:09:01.520 And then she actually brought him to my father's house and said, this is your son. And, you know,

00:09:07.820 when I held him for the first time, you know, then it was such a, you know, uh, overwhelming

00:09:15.660 experience to realize that I'd created life. And I decided at that moment, this is my boy,

00:09:21.740 you know, I have to take care of him. And, um, you know, I did for, I have since then.

00:09:27.320 Yeah. It's beautiful. Gotcha. Uh, Lori, what about you?

00:09:30.220 Dude, that was, that was long. I forgot the question already.

00:09:33.920 Oh yeah. Yeah. So, uh, I'm a legendary talker.

00:09:38.380 So the question was, what's your current relationship status? Are you single? You're

00:09:49.400 in a relationship? Um, yeah, I've been with my girlfriend about, um, 13 years now, 13

00:09:55.720 years. Longest is 14 years with a different relationship. Exactly. With a guy or a girl,

00:10:03.540 girl, girl, all my relationships with girls have been like, let's go seven, 10, 13. Yeah.

00:10:12.500 I'm called a lifer, I guess. A lifer. Okay. There you go. Um, and so are you, do you, do you consider

00:10:18.360 yourself bi or are you lesbian? I dated guys all three, all through high school. And so all through

00:10:24.400 high school dating guys. And then I was around 25, 26 ish meant this one girl realized, admitted it to

00:10:32.400 myself, I was like, holy shit, I'm gay. This girl's hot. I'm in love with her. And it just kind of

00:10:38.960 like, that's, it's, it's really come into terms with who you are, you know, especially if you're

00:10:44.940 gay, lesbian, whatever it may be, bisexual, love men. I love them. I just don't connect with you guys.

00:10:52.640 So it's just been women since then. Um, yeah. I mean, I've,

00:10:56.780 Oh, did I do that? I'm sorry. Did I do that? All right. Now the game is on. Um, um, yeah. I mean,

00:11:08.560 relationship wise, if we're talking relationships, yes, they've all been with women. Um, sex, a little

00:11:14.580 different story, but you know, yes. Okay. So if you were to categorize yourself, sort of, sort of bi,

00:11:21.700 kind of bi, um, I'm gay, I'm gay. I'm in with, you know, romantically, romantically, you're only

00:11:30.620 interested in women, but for casual, a guy every once in a while is, uh, all right, we can go

00:11:38.460 there. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Okay. I used to, I used to laugh and say, I have my yearlies. Okay. Dan

00:11:45.440 keeps wondering when he's going to be my yearly, which, so I guess the question here is how long

00:11:52.080 do you have to go as far as a time period without penis before you become, I don't think you can

00:11:59.100 answer that. Okay. You can't answer that. No, it's, it doesn't work that way. Does it kind of just like

00:12:04.040 happen? It doesn't work that way. It's, it's who you're attracted to in the moment. I always said

00:12:09.160 that I had the best of both worlds because I'm attracted to both, but mentally I'm attracted to

00:12:14.200 women. Sure. You know, cause I have that connection. Um, but then sometimes they just

00:12:19.200 talk too much. I have that guy mentality, you know, it's like, I do sometimes it's like, Oh my God,

00:12:25.760 shut up. You know? Um, but with me, it's, it's interesting because yeah, on, on one level, it's

00:12:33.860 like my, my brain is like a guy's brain. It's like, I can do a one and done. And a lot of girls

00:12:40.240 can't, you know, but that's, am I right? Yeah, that's very, very true. Well, you can do a one

00:12:45.500 and done with both the female and a male. If that's who attracted you, it doesn't matter.

00:12:49.800 Absolutely. Oh, wow. I can't do that. Yeah, you can. You've done that your whole life. What

00:12:54.240 are you talking about? Except your current, except your current relationships. No. So

00:12:57.840 this relationship has been seven to eight years before that the relationship was 12 years. So

00:13:03.420 as I get older, I get slower. All right. So this is when I knew him during gladiators. Let's

00:13:07.240 go here then. Okay. Wait, so you've done it with men and women? No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:13:12.500 Just meaning he's a one and done. I'll go there with him. No, I'm saying when he was, I knew

00:13:19.920 him as a gladiator. Definitely. Now, since he's in relationships, no, obviously he is the

00:13:25.100 committed man. I'm tamed. I'm tamed. You are tamed. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, it's, I can't

00:13:36.660 even explain it. I don't know what happens, you know, where you go from womanizing and

00:13:42.580 getting a lot of, um, self-satisfaction, but not only self-satisfaction, you get a sense

00:13:49.680 of self-esteem. A lot of times when I was younger, it was all about the girl that I was with.

00:13:55.740 And if she was hot, you know, and the guys are like, bro, how did you get that? I felt

00:13:59.860 good. She was feeding your ego. Yeah. Well, yeah, she was in a way that your bros would

00:14:06.180 respond. Dude, how did you go out with her? Oh my God, you're with that girl. And it really

00:14:10.620 filled me up as a man. Like, Hey, look at me. You know, I got this very attractive girl

00:14:14.520 and then it just didn't. It's, you know, I guess the thing is like, you know, a Ferrari

00:14:21.180 after you have a Ferrari for a long enough time, it just becomes a car. You know what I mean?

00:14:28.680 So are you settling with your Ferrari? Is that what you're telling me? Yeah, I have

00:14:31.740 a Ferrari. Kim's a Ferrari, you know? And I'm, uh, yeah. And it's just, it seems like

00:14:37.760 it's enough. Look, I always said, um, I, I come to, I came to realize that as a young

00:14:42.340 man, I was very easy for an attractive girl to get, but I was really hard to hold

00:14:47.780 on to. And why was it hard to hold on to? Cause he was a whore. No, it's because you, you

00:14:55.800 may call it that way, but there was nothing of substance to me as a man. I was all smoking

00:15:01.100 mirrors, you know, it was muscles. It was, believe it or not, a lot of long hair and it

00:15:06.200 was flash, but the inner substance of who I was and what I believed in and what I stood

00:15:11.900 for wasn't there. And so I was easy to get, but I was hard to hold onto.

00:15:16.800 But do you, do you think that could have also possibly been that none of the women

00:15:21.800 that you were involved with really caught your eye? Not, I'm not speaking strictly physical

00:15:28.720 appearance, but just maybe the, they weren't bringing something to the table when it came

00:15:33.760 to their personality or. What about commonality? Did you have things in common? Absolutely.

00:15:38.680 I mean, did you look for that? Look, here's my, I dated a lot of really fantastic women.

00:15:43.300 I dated intelligent women, career women, you know, actresses, models. I dated tons of

00:15:51.740 different women and some, so many were fantastic. It didn't matter. It could have been the perfect

00:15:56.980 girl, the perfect partner. But if you're not ready at that time, it doesn't work later when

00:16:03.700 you're ready, the less perfect person can come and then you will grab onto that person because

00:16:11.700 that's what you want in your life. So to answer your question directly, Brian, they were, they

00:16:15.360 were fantastic. They clicked all the boxes. It was just me. I was, you know, I was, I was

00:16:21.100 in Hollywood. I was young. Yeah. Hey, look, you're at the time of your life.

00:16:26.220 If no, but if you look and you read my book ladder, like you'll did, you'll know that I

00:16:30.860 was, um, I don't know what the word is, sexualized at a very young age. When I was 10 years old,

00:16:36.700 I was living in Asia and my dad owned a restaurant and he had prostitutes in his restaurant. So I was

00:16:42.700 a 10 year old boy walking, running around with prostitutes, you know, T girls, Asian girls chasing

00:16:48.560 him saying, Hey, you know, can I pop your cherry? Hey, can I do this? And so I saw sex at a very

00:16:55.100 young age in a different way. And my father was also a horrible womanizer, you know, so many different

00:17:00.620 women cheating. And I thought that's just what you did. That was normal. So anybody who I met

00:17:06.620 from 18 to 28 in that normal got to feel that wrath of what and who my father was expressed through me

00:17:15.620 until you get to be a certain age, you know, men and women, do you usually start to find your own

00:17:20.800 identity and say, this is who I am and this is how I want to be. And some people don't, but for me,

00:17:25.280 it was a real awakening when I had, you know, a lot of different women, I had money, I had fame.

00:17:34.340 But I, you know, was partying all the time and I wasn't happy.

00:17:38.440 What kind of made you realize that you weren't being as fulfilled, just womanizing anymore?

00:17:45.220 Was there any specific thing that kind of happened in your life that made you just feel unfulfilled?

00:17:50.460 You know, I, I know it sounds, it's hard for people to understand, you know, to think like

00:17:57.080 you can, you know, you have like beautiful girls and not be happy. You know what I mean? It's just

00:18:02.080 like, what dude, if I had those girls, if I had, you know, whoever it was, I would be a hat. Are you

00:18:06.960 kidding me? Yeah. But, and I feel like almost, uh, you know, stupid for, you know, talking about

00:18:15.300 this, uh, because, um, it's such a high class problem. Oh my God, poor guy. He's got hot chicks.

00:18:22.320 But like I said earlier, it, it made me feel a certain way getting a new growth and being with

00:18:29.220 a new girl and having that conquest, it built a certain kind of happiness and esteem until it

00:18:34.960 didn't. And then at the height of gladiators, when, you know, I was partying a lot, uh, I started

00:18:41.400 to wake up in the mornings high out of my mind on the floor, spit dribbling out of my mouth.

00:18:48.120 And I was just like crying. I was just like, what are you doing? How can this be? I've got

00:18:55.640 everything. And yet, you know, it feels like nothing. And that was at the point, you know,

00:18:59.400 I kind of, yeah, you know, Madison, I raised my hand and I said, something's a little off here.

00:19:03.900 I've got everything and I'm not happy. And I, that happened a couple of times and I was just like,

00:19:10.960 whoa, this is like really, really strange. And then the last time I was riding my, uh, in my

00:19:17.560 red Jeep going down Hollywood Boulevard, you know, having a great time, sun was shining. And I had

00:19:20.880 this spontaneous, like crying burst of tears. And here I am, I'm on TV. I'm 240 pounds. I'm this big,

00:19:28.040 strong guy. I crush people for a living. And you know, I'm driving and crying for no reason.

00:19:34.540 And that's when I raised my hand and said, look, something's wrong. I need to get help. And you're

00:19:38.600 getting help, you know, therapy and asking someone for help, you know, especially back in my time was

00:19:43.180 really, really, really hard to do. So it was a, a bunch of events that led up to that point where I

00:19:50.900 said, oh, and that's when I said, you know, maybe, like I said, maybe I'll try marriage, but I wasn't

00:19:54.780 healed yet to be a good husband, to be a good partner. Yeah. That makes sense. Before we get into

00:20:00.220 some more relationship stuff, I wanted to touch a little bit, both on your backgrounds and also talk

00:20:05.560 a little bit about Gladiator. How many seasons were you both in? I did what I did.

00:20:11.220 American Gladiators. Seven, I believe. To me, you are the female version of an American Gladiator.

00:20:17.280 So to me, when I think American Gladiators, I think ice and I think zap. Yeah. So I feel like

00:20:21.860 you were always there. The show ran for eight years. And I missed the first 13 episodes.

00:20:27.140 So you came in second season. Yes. Well, kind of. Yeah, it was. It was the second season,

00:20:31.860 as a matter of fact. Gotcha. And what about you? How many seasons were you in?

00:20:35.900 Similar to her. I left over a salary dispute, over a merchandising dispute right around year four.

00:20:40.900 So I did the very first episode and then I came back to the show for a year as Nitro. And then the

00:20:46.960 last season I hosted the show. Gotcha. Didn't, I think you two grouped up for the whole, you know,

00:20:53.720 you went to Samuel Goldwyn or whatever. The merchandising. The merchandising. Yeah, exactly.

00:20:57.720 thing. But, but you, were you only kicked off for, you got fired too, right? Or. Yeah. For one season.

00:21:05.280 Oh, one season. One season. Then you came back. And then I came back and they actually,

00:21:09.120 he came back the same year as a host though. As a co-host. Okay. Got it. Got it. I wanted to compete.

00:21:15.580 I wanted to still battle. I still wanted to kick ass. And what, from what year? So I think the show

00:21:20.720 started, it was an 89. Was it? Was it 89? Was the first year 89? It was somewhere. Yeah. Somewhere in there.

00:21:26.940 Yeah. Long time ago. Long, long time ago. I want you to know there were still cell phones in.

00:21:34.060 There were cell phones in there. Yes, they were big. They were big block ones. You know what? Speaking of.

00:21:38.220 I had a, uh, Toshiba. Yep. That's it right there. That's the one. Was that the one? So that was the

00:21:45.420 one that was actually attached to your car. I got it. So this was plugged into your car. Does it

00:21:51.420 actually still work? You want to? No. No, I don't think so. Actually, it does turn on if you plug it

00:21:58.460 in. I don't think you, you know what? Maybe if you, I don't know. I know we're, it's still dating

00:22:04.600 ourselves. It's like, we didn't have the cell phones. We didn't have the social media.

00:22:07.420 Uh, we didn't have, you know, all of that when it comes to the smartphones and filming

00:22:11.980 and did you kind of appreciate that a little more though, now that you've, you know, it's

00:22:17.380 interesting because of the fact that I think that if we had it, it would have been dangerous,

00:22:21.500 especially on tour, I would say. Yeah. So we went on a tour across America. Uh, we went

00:22:27.980 and did 120 cities. So you packed up, um, 10 gladiators, you know, full of youth vitality,

00:22:36.040 the, uh, vigor, horniness, testosterone, testosterone. You put us on a bus and you said,

00:22:42.180 you're going to go to Madison square garden. You're going to go, you know, to 120 cities

00:22:46.540 across America. So we were like rock and roll stars, except for we would kick the shit out

00:22:52.780 of you. It was awesome. Were you guys doing shows pretty much every, it sounded like from

00:22:58.260 the documentary almost every day. We were doing it every day. I mean, I think that, um, in our

00:23:02.820 contract we had to do, we did like, uh, four days straight and then they have to, they had

00:23:06.840 to give us like two days off. Right. You know, and it seemed like those two days off we were

00:23:10.360 traveling. So it wasn't really like the two days off. You're still kind of working. Absolutely.

00:23:14.160 Yeah. Okay. And, uh, so 120 cities, um, in the documentary for the tour, it sounded like

00:23:23.340 you guys were compensated a little better than during the actual show. So you guys were getting

00:23:28.740 paid, if I'm understanding very little for the actual show is that. Oh yeah. I mean,

00:23:33.980 when I came on, my contract was for 21 shows and I think that year I made a whopping 20

00:23:41.700 grand. I want to say something. Yeah. It was like something ridiculous, you know? Um, even

00:23:48.180 though it was, we were, we were in the union, but we were in the union at AFTRA before the

00:23:52.780 two unions actually merged. Exactly. So I, when I came in, my contract was on the bottom

00:23:58.280 end of the AFTRA scale. So I think it was something like, to be honest with you, maybe

00:24:03.220 five, five 50 a show, something along those lines. But I mean, back in the nineties, it

00:24:10.180 was one of the biggest shows on TV. There wasn't like, do you guys know how many, it was like

00:24:15.480 10 million viewers. I don't know. Do you know how much, I don't even know the numbers on

00:24:18.780 it. A shit ton. It was a lot. Yeah. How many viewers and you look up in the ratings, it

00:24:24.200 says shit ton. A lot. Um, as far as when you got paid for the tour, it was, uh, you

00:24:32.220 guys were getting paid. Was it 5,000 per week on maybe? I think that was maybe Dan was probably

00:24:37.820 making more, but we were, we were making, yes, he's laughing about this. He was him and

00:24:43.220 him and Jim and I were actually, because I think you guys actually created something to

00:24:47.740 where it's you two got more money than the most of us because you were like the captains

00:24:52.660 of the team. And so you were keeping us together. Correct. We didn't create that. The guy who

00:24:57.400 did the tour, who also did, you know, the Ringo star tour and a bunch of other cool, cool

00:25:01.960 tours, David Fishaw. He came to the two of us who we thought were the most important people

00:25:06.780 he had to have supply and demand star power. He said, nitro Gemini. I want you guys. And

00:25:12.440 he said, when I get you guys, everybody else will fall in. What's it going to take per week

00:25:16.300 to do the deal? And you know, they, that's how it is. They fill your ego. They say, you're

00:25:20.200 the most important. You're beautiful. You're going to be famous. You know, that kind of

00:25:23.420 thing. And yeah, we fell for it and we took the five grand a week and I'm not sure what

00:25:27.460 everybody else got paid. No, I think we were around the same. Okay. We just thought he was

00:25:31.620 getting like eight. Okay. No, that was the cash that I haven't reported yet. Got it. Oh, there

00:25:37.680 we go. And so the tour, uh, do you guys know, uh, did you hit pretty much every state almost,

00:25:44.120 maybe besides like Alaska or almost Hawaii? I think we all, yeah, almost we did. We didn't

00:25:49.680 hit, we didn't hit Hawaii. We didn't hit Alaska. I would say, well, 126 cities, 126 cities,

00:25:56.280 including Madison square garden, but not Alaska, not hot Hawaii. I was just looking there and

00:26:00.740 someone said, Madison, they don't, they said that, uh, you were still in your dad's, you

00:26:05.340 know, what, when the show was going on, but do they know?

00:26:09.600 He actually is my father. So yeah, I don't know if the guys know that that's, that's how

00:26:17.900 we were able to book them. Yeah. It's actually familial. Yeah. The daughter. So I was, and

00:26:24.440 so usually my mouth is much more free with the words I'm saying. It's kind of awkward

00:26:29.880 with you here right now. I have to say, yeah, it's a little awkward. Be free. It's okay.

00:26:36.580 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. Okay. On that note. On that note. Um, so, uh, I want

00:26:47.500 to go back a little bit, uh, background stuff here. So Dan, uh, you played college football

00:26:52.900 at, was it San Jose state, right? Uh, can I tell you why I picked San Jose state? Yeah. Two

00:26:58.660 reasons. They had a great damn football team, but at that time we were voted in the top 10

00:27:04.200 party schools in America. It was like San Diego state, San Jose state. And I went up there

00:27:11.040 to San Jose, which now is, you know, um, Silicon Valley, much, much different than it was when

00:27:15.480 I went up there. When I went up there, it was this old beaten downtown and I came from Orange

00:27:20.260 County, California. And when I went up there, it was nighttime. And they, I don't know if

00:27:23.840 you guys know that, you know, like when they recruit a football player, they take them on

00:27:26.940 trips. They hook you up with cheerleaders. They walk you around campus. Everything I saw was

00:27:31.660 at night. And I go, this is a great town. And, um, I decided to go there. I got a scholarship.

00:27:36.820 I went back up the first day there. I'm walking outside my dorm and a homeless woman lifts her

00:27:41.860 dress up and pees on in front of me. And I'm like, I remember running into the dorm, calling

00:27:46.620 my dad. I said, dad, a woman just peed on the street. You know, I, I can't go to school

00:27:51.560 here. Um, but I ended up, um, sticking it out and it ended up being quite a party school.

00:27:56.540 I joined a frat Sigma Alpha Epsilon. Sig up. Is that six? Is it Sig up or Sigma Alpha

00:28:02.600 Epsilon? Well, they're short. They call it Sig up now. You guys are so trendy. You guys

00:28:06.580 are short. LOL. LOL. LOL. Be right back. Right. All these things that you guys do on your devices.

00:28:13.540 I think there's a Sig up here at UCSB. Sigma Alpha Epsilon. Excuse me. Sigma. I think

00:28:20.880 it is worthy of saying the whole word. I believe there's a Sigma Alpha Epsilon here

00:28:28.140 at UCSB. It's maybe knock on the door and be like, Hey, what's up? I'm one of your, no,

00:28:32.040 you can't do that. I'm a bro. They would let me in. Oh, they would. Yeah. You guys, there's

00:28:35.420 like a handshake, right? That, do you still know the handshake? Of course I know the handshake.

00:28:38.760 Of course he knows. I know the sign. I can't tell you. It's secret. It's very secretive.

00:28:43.420 It's like that number seven on your collar. I don't know what that means. You don't know what it

00:28:46.760 is. It makes me want to punch you seven times. Oh, fuck. Oh shit. Good time. Okay. Uh, well

00:28:51.560 maybe, maybe this will be the show people find out. Um, so you played college football. You were

00:28:55.780 in a fraternity. Uh, you graduated from San Jose. Uh, and then you became, was this before college?

00:29:01.880 You became a bouncer. Is that correct? At the nightclub? Yes. Okay. And that's where you met

00:29:06.300 your, uh, son's mother, son's mother and, uh, baby mama, baby mama, Teresa. And, uh, when it comes

00:29:13.180 to dating, it was your first, my understanding from the book, it was your first night working.

00:29:17.920 Your very first night working. You met Teresa. I met Teresa. It was an 18 and older bar. Yeah.

00:29:24.700 You know, they could come in and she, I love your hat by the way. Thank you. I love that hat. What

00:29:29.160 does it represent? It is actually a German soldier helmet from world war one. So does mom know you have

00:29:38.660 that on? When's the first time you put that hat on? Hmm. It's been, it's been a while. I think.

00:29:45.340 Does mom know? Do you wear it every show? She does not know. I do wear it every show.

00:29:49.300 It's, it's kind of her calling card. It's my thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's my old prop. You want to wear it,

00:29:54.100 don't you, Dan? Well, no, I just. You know what? We do have, we have more than one if you'd like to

00:29:57.900 join in on the fun. Oh, he's kind of, that's kind of weird. Father, daughter. That's kind

00:30:02.860 of weird. You remember, I never liked you calling me daddy. Oh, call me dad. Big daddy.

00:30:10.700 Father. What about father? Father's fine, but don't call me daddy. That's weird. Okay. I don't

00:30:15.200 think I've ever called my father daddy. Yeah. So back to San Jose State. And on that note.

00:30:21.820 Um, yeah, no. So you, uh, you're working at a nightclub as a bouncer and that was before

00:30:29.020 or after college? It was right after college. I was trying to get on with the football team.

00:30:32.520 I was working at a bouncer, 18 and over bar. Uh, she walks in, she's 28 trying to fit in

00:30:37.420 with 18 year olds. That should tell you everything you need to know about her. And, um, yeah,

00:30:43.700 we, uh, hooked up. Um, and then I got a beautiful son. It's a short version. There you go.

00:30:49.440 And then at, from there you went to Italy to play in the Italian football league, which

00:30:56.020 and that's a American football league in Italy, which I didn't even know was a thing until

00:31:01.200 I read the book. Um, and Nick, maybe if you want to pull up the Wikipedia just to give people

00:31:06.840 a little context, but, uh, so you went to, to Italy and you played for just one season

00:31:11.820 in Italy. Is that yo FDG? Thank you for the 50 gifted memberships. Yeah. We'll do a little

00:31:19.120 salute there. Um, yeah. So it's the Italian football league and they play American football.

00:31:24.940 Cause I know like when you think of, I guess at Europe, you think of football, you think

00:31:29.200 of soccer. So I'm probably going to get a few Europeans upset for that one. But, um, and

00:31:36.780 you played for one, one season in Italy. Is that right? Yeah. So they're played American

00:31:41.060 football in Italy. They've been doing it for quite a few years. Um, they actually have a

00:31:45.280 European league as well. And then the NFL had a league over there, uh, called the world

00:31:48.900 football league, what they tried out for, you know, for me, uh, my son's mother was

00:31:53.580 pregnant. Um, I'm 22 years old. I don't want to have a kid. And the opportunity comes up

00:32:01.720 on a Tuesday from a buddy of mine, Bobby Frasco who played football at San Jose state with

00:32:05.560 me. He says, Hey, I can get you a job over in Italy, three Americans per team. Do you want

00:32:09.060 to come play American football? And I was like, yeah. And I left on Saturday and it was a

00:32:14.640 fantastic experience. There's a great John Grisham book called playing for pizza, which

00:32:18.900 doesn't chronicle my journey, but it chronicles an American football player's journey in Italy.

00:32:24.080 And look, you practice two days a week. You had games on Saturdays and you're pounding

00:32:29.800 pasta, but then just think about Italy. They have a very, very, no, it's really weird.

00:32:36.760 I know where it's going. They have a very like strong transsexual pop, not strong, not like

00:32:43.660 a lift, but it's a large transsexual population, which act as sex workers and models that are

00:32:57.160 in Italy. I just thought I would share that with you in case you ever go to Italy, Brian

00:33:01.520 and you're lonely.

00:33:03.180 Not, not really my thing, you know, but I don't know until you try it.

00:33:07.420 I don't know if there will be a try. I don't know if there will be a try, but, uh, I appreciate

00:33:11.860 you looking out for me. Uh, but so did you, you encountered, did you encounter, did you

00:33:17.880 participate? Did you participate? Was there, I encountered. So the way that clubs work and

00:33:24.600 I was right outside of Milan, which was the, you know, model capital of the world, the fashion

00:33:28.740 capital of the world, Giorgio Armani and the clubs are these huge, huge warehouses and they

00:33:35.020 just go on and they rage and it's like a party. And the first night I'm there, I look over and I,

00:33:40.620 I see this fantastic looking women, woman, and she's like, you know, five foot 10 and

00:33:46.200 she's walking around in, in a bra and, uh, what are the garters and boosty and high heels

00:33:51.820 walking around the club like this. And I look at my guys telling guys, Oh, that girl. I mean,

00:33:55.800 she's amazing. They're like, no, no, no, no, that's not a girl. And I'm like, what are you

00:34:02.260 kidding me? And her name was Paula, not Paul, but Paula. And she was actually a famous fashion

00:34:08.760 model. She was on the cover of the magazines. It was something that, you know, back there

00:34:12.960 in Italy was very, they're very comfortable with it. It wasn't, you know, um, it wasn't

00:34:18.500 controversial, controversial, right. They're like, they put them on, they put her, her,

00:34:23.140 I guess it's, I get so confused on magazine covers. And, uh, I ended up, you know, becoming

00:34:28.680 friendly with her and, and it was, um, interesting. How friendly, when you, when you, yeah, when

00:34:35.840 you say how friendly, what are we, what are we talking about here? Come on, Dan, give

00:34:39.420 it up. No, I never tested the waters. Come on. Okay. Okay. But I, let's say I saw the goods,

00:34:45.720 but I never tested the waters and, um, yeah, I, I can tell you for a fact, at least from

00:34:54.180 my singular observation, because she would walk around in this garter, like with no panties

00:35:00.040 on. And, you know, I think one day, one of the guys said, Hey, let me see what it looks

00:35:08.560 like. And she, you know, she didn't care. She did. And it looked normal. It looked normal.

00:35:15.300 It looked normal. No, because they had the operation. Okay. Okay. So she, she got the,

00:35:21.200 the, the goods removed and got the replacements. Yeah. Yeah. Look, everyone has a right to

00:35:28.440 be who they want to be. Right. And, and she was, you know, I guess, you know, before her

00:35:31.920 time and that's what she wanted to do, you know, Hey, sure. That's it's her life, you

00:35:35.320 know, and, uh, or his life. I I've never seen the post-op look. I, I've only seen it once

00:35:42.860 one time in Italy and it looked, you say, and it was dark and it was a nightclub and

00:35:47.480 it was just like, you know, I felt like a gynecologist. Oh wow. Yeah. It wasn't a, a sexual

00:35:53.420 adventure. Like, Hey baby. It was just like, Oh, let me see. Let me put my little light

00:35:57.860 on here. You know, professor. Okay. You were curious, right? Curiosity killed the cat

00:36:04.080 and it was like, no, okay. Okay. No, no, it's all good. Thank you, Paula. And you

00:36:09.040 know, I moved on. There you have it. There you have it. So you're in Italy. Um, they

00:36:13.360 have a crazy fascination with, I, that's new to me. Why I did see it in the book. I

00:36:17.700 don't think they have a clitoris. I don't think so. No, I saw someone in the chat

00:36:22.380 say giant clitoris. I don't think they have a clitoris. There, there is another story

00:36:27.900 in the book though, about that, which we will get into. So you're in Italy. Uh, can

00:36:33.620 you ask her something? Yes. I'm reading, I'm reading the comments right now. I'm laughing

00:36:37.800 my ass off. I'm asking for a friend. I'm wondering how we went from like football in

00:36:43.900 Italy to no clitoris. It's a chapter in his book. So, uh, one last thing with Italy. Uh,

00:36:52.900 so with the Italian football league, they have their kind of their own version of

00:36:57.880 the super bowl. Yeah. I'm sweating here. I don't know how you backed me into that

00:37:03.220 corner. Well, so you, you won the Italian super bowl with your football team. Is

00:37:10.260 that, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was, we had such a funny name. It was,

00:37:13.820 uh, the Bustosizio was the city that we played for us right outside of Milan. And

00:37:17.600 our name was the frogs, the Bustosizio frogs. Okay. But you know what? It was such a

00:37:23.960 great adventure, you know, to be 23 years old, to live in Italy, to get paid, to, you

00:37:29.800 know, see the country. Uh, uh, yeah, it was such a, what, what an amazing country. What

00:37:35.700 an amazing experience. What, what year was that? Was that 90? It was a long time ago.

00:37:40.800 It was, it was eighties, eighties, right? My dude, long time ago. Okay. I don't want

00:37:44.620 to date. I don't want to date anything. So did you think about doing multiple years

00:37:50.260 there? Like continuing on or was it like just a one year offer sort of? Well, so if

00:37:54.300 you played in the NFL, they made a new rule. You could not play in Italy. So I

00:37:58.440 wouldn't play in the NFL for the Rams briefly. Then I could not go back and play.

00:38:02.900 Okay. I see. Yeah. You, so pretty much as soon as you finished up in Italy, you went and

00:38:07.680 played for the LA Rams in the NFL. Yes, sir. Got it. Got it. Okay. So I'm going to, I've

00:38:14.060 asked you a bunch of questions. We have vice here. We have Lori. Um, so I do want to come

00:38:19.520 back to, let's maybe bring it back to dating for a little bit. Uh, so you mentioned, you

00:38:27.080 mentioned generally, like you're, you're almost exclusively romantically you date women, right?

00:38:33.440 So I'm curious, like, what's your type when it comes to the ladies? Good question. Someone

00:38:41.280 who's hot, who's got a great personality. Um, somebody I connect with. Got it. Do you

00:38:47.460 like, uh, do you like tall women, short women, petite women must like muscular women? Oh,

00:38:54.020 well now you're really backing me in a corner. Um, I'm not really into muscular women. Not

00:38:59.400 at all. Um, I like girl girls. Okay. I don't like masculine women. Gotcha. Um, yeah, there's

00:39:05.480 a lot of, you know, gay, lesbian women out there that, that if, if they're feminine, then

00:39:11.560 themselves, they like that real hardcore kind of dikey girl. Um, not into that, not whatsoever.

00:39:19.140 Okay. Um, not my type. Um, I always, it's interesting. I've always been super attracted to blondes,

00:39:24.900 but I've always wound up with brunettes. I don't know how that happens. Okay. Um, but

00:39:30.820 yeah, I mean, I don't necessarily, I can't really say I have a type type, but I don't

00:39:34.720 know, just, yeah, I guess I kind of do in a way, don't I? You've seen all the girls.

00:39:39.220 I think all the girls from the last few years I've seen you with, they're always very, very

00:39:43.120 attractive. And sometimes I thought that, uh, I was going to be dating a girl only to find

00:39:49.220 out this one is dating her. Oh, are you talking? Oh wait. Okay. I was thinking the, there's

00:39:55.500 a Chicago situation. Okay. We'll get to that. That wasn't the only time. So, so, so, so the

00:40:02.880 joke is, you know, who slept with the most people on the most girls on gladiators and everyone

00:40:07.120 looks to me, but it is definitely not me. I feel like you have game Lori. I do have, you've

00:40:13.640 got game. I get that impression from you. Um, so I like how Madison's nodding her head

00:40:20.040 looking at me. Oh, okay. Madison. Are you interested? Watch out Frankie. Watch out Frankie. She's

00:40:29.120 coming for you. Just too young. Um, but, uh, did you have an interest in any of the other

00:40:35.260 gladiators? Was there ever inter gladiator romance? It's interesting because I was never

00:40:40.500 attracted to any of the gladiators. Right. Cause you said you're not really into like

00:40:44.280 muscular. Yeah. The one thing though is, um, before I was on the show, I always thought

00:40:48.760 that Ray Hollett was hot. I mean, she, she was back in the day. Yeah. Okay. She was hot.

00:40:54.740 Um, but then obviously I got to know her and it wasn't the attraction went away. It was more

00:40:58.940 of, she's now my gladiator sister, you know, and I didn't look at her that way whatsoever.

00:41:03.580 But before I was on the show, I did look at her that way just a tad. Okay. Um, but it's interesting

00:41:08.880 because the game, the game comes from the chase as well, you know, and it's like when

00:41:16.600 we were on tour and it's kind of like, you know, Dan's like, how do you know when they're

00:41:20.360 gay? It's just that look, you know, it's, it's the look that the girl gives you that

00:41:25.820 you can just, you can feel it and you just know, you know? And so it's, it's kind of a

00:41:31.120 fun thing. It really is. The guys, um, the guys are going just, you know, they just go all

00:41:37.060 balls out for the girl. Boom. There is no game. I don't think so anyway. No game. I

00:41:41.160 don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Do you have game now? I don't know. I don't

00:41:49.700 think I have game anymore. You don't need game anymore. No, it was there, but it's, it's

00:41:54.900 gone. The game, he's like, it's, you know what? I just don't think I have that. I have

00:42:01.360 that need to be seen, you know, by other women. I feel pretty darn good about myself.

00:42:08.260 You know what I mean? I don't need that. Oh, is that girl checking me out? Oh, is this

00:42:11.500 girl checking me out? And, uh, yeah, I still need it. It's nice. It's nice. That's what

00:42:18.520 I'm saying. You had to have had it back then. He did. He had it, but it was more his looks

00:42:23.780 to be quite honest with you. You were saying you were getting the most attractive. Dan was

00:42:27.740 handsome. Can we get Nick, can you pull up some Google image search of, uh, Dan and

00:42:32.620 all of his ex-girlfriends? Maybe also we have a video from ice here, but, uh, but, uh, well,

00:42:38.980 you also have, I mean, you've been in a, you said seven year relationship, so, you know,

00:42:43.880 the, I don't want to have game. You got to shut it off. You got to shut it off. He does

00:42:47.600 have to shut it off. You know, it's something that game, maybe game for other women. Right.

00:42:51.640 But yeah, but you know what it is? Like for me, I've learned that if I need to be, if I

00:42:55.440 want to be committed, I got to shut it off. You know, all of a sudden I look, you know,

00:43:00.520 every woman is like my sister now, you know, I just like, no, no, no, no, no. And I, you

00:43:05.200 know, for me, you know, I have a very strong drive and everything. So I have to put blinders

00:43:13.240 on, you know, and walk and focus. And I can't even start to entertain that, you know, when

00:43:19.160 muscles and mayhem came out in Netflix, you know, ice and I, Laura and I were talking about

00:43:22.960 how our DMs blew up, you know, people, uh, I wasn't quite getting the DMs. Uh, Lori was

00:43:30.040 getting, I'll let her talk about that, but they blew up and, and I just, I just could

00:43:34.000 not let myself go down that because it's too easy to stray, especially today. It's just

00:43:41.780 too easy. And I just, I can't do it. Social media. Yeah. Yeah. I can't do it. Yeah. So

00:43:45.780 Lori had the DMs. Lori had the game. Dan had, Dan had the DMs. Tell us about your DMs,

00:43:51.940 Lori. Yeah. And just some, some context, if anybody's like just tuning in, uh, you know,

00:43:57.280 the Netflix documentary came out, I think it was number one on Netflix for at least on

00:44:02.140 my, I saw that as a number one on Netflix for a couple of weeks or something. I think

00:44:05.760 it went three weeks. The documentary was fantastic. I thought it was great. Um, and, uh, and so,

00:44:12.100 but I imagine as you guys just mentioned, there's some DMs, you guys were getting some DMs

00:44:17.560 from, but it's interesting because this is what we were talking about before. Right

00:44:21.140 when Netflix, when that hit, all of our DMs were just like going crazy on all the social

00:44:26.200 medias. And see, we didn't experience the social media back then, but now we're experiencing

00:44:32.860 it now, which is a whole different ball game because we were, it's like there was hundreds

00:44:38.220 just boom every day, just popping off. But we noticed something as the weeks went by,

00:44:43.560 they started dropping off. So it went from like, you know, hundreds a day down to 50 down

00:44:49.660 to 20 down to five. It's like, really? That's how quickly this social media makes everything

00:44:55.420 turn and burn. I mean, it is fast to where if we were back in the day and we're, you know,

00:45:01.560 not aging ourselves, but if we, if there was no social media, we would still be on Netflix

00:45:07.020 probably number one. Our, you know, we would still be like super big out there, but now

00:45:12.820 it's like next. Well, that's a really good point. Like I think people's attention spans

00:45:19.000 are very short. They're looking for the new, like the new thing back. I think, you know,

00:45:24.740 before social media, there was a bit more longevity, longevity. Absolutely. Certain things.

00:45:29.780 Well, it's not only social media, it's Netflix drops their whole season at one time. Right. So,

00:45:36.240 and when talking to them, when this was coming to be released, they don't do their marketing

00:45:40.980 until like two weeks before, because when you see something, Netflix consumers, they demand

00:45:47.160 to see the show right after they see it. So the window has gone from our show, which was

00:45:52.100 on for 26 weeks where you get 26 weeks of that, um, that push where now it's literally

00:45:59.020 you get a weekend. It was like, it's like mission impossible, right? The newest one. Yeah.

00:46:03.380 Mission impossible. It's great. Then Barbie came out mission who, you know, one week later.

00:46:07.440 Yeah, that's exactly it. So quick. So it's super quick. Yeah. So it's a different cycle.

00:46:11.440 What Netflix started to do for some of your favorite shows, like love is blind, which

00:46:15.920 I love that show for some reason. Um, love is an experiment, but love is blind is they'll save

00:46:20.960 the last episode. So you can't sign up for 30 days and then drop. They'll make that last episode

00:46:27.920 come out six weeks after. And they found out that people will have a tendency to stay on Netflix

00:46:34.560 if they stay longer than 30 days for that second month. And yes, there's a documentary muscles

00:46:39.600 and mayhem Netflix. Nick, were you able to pull up the, uh, we had some photos here.

00:46:48.400 All right. This is Dan nitro Clark. Uh, we got some scroll down just a bit.

00:46:55.120 I'll keep going. I like the shirtless one. Go back up other way. Other way. Is it middle?

00:47:02.160 There you go. Oh, no, you look old there. Go down right there. Right next to it on the left.

00:47:06.960 There's one where you're kind of like hugging, uh, scroll, scroll down.

00:47:11.920 Oh, that's the group actually pull up some of the group ones, the group photos.

00:47:16.080 Oh, I'm kissing Billy right there.

00:47:17.600 That is so damn cute. The black and white one. Scroll down, Nick. Some of the group ones, maybe pull up.

00:47:26.240 Okay. Now, did you have, would you consider what you had hairstyle wise? Is it a mullet?

00:47:34.400 Was it a mullet? Now it's a mullet. Now it's a mullet. Now it's a mullet.

00:47:38.720 Now it's a mullet. It happens. It looked good. That's funny.

00:47:41.840 Yeah, no, no. It was just called long hair. Oh, okay. Okay. I wasn't sure what the...

00:47:45.920 No, I think a mullet's like when it's short here. It is. It's short on the side.

00:47:49.760 It's the Joe Dirt haircut. Yeah. Who's the country comedian right now? He's got a mullet. He's really...

00:47:54.320 Theo Vaughn. Theo Vaughn. Yeah. Theo Vaughn has got a mullet. Okay.

00:47:58.240 And he's very funny. You had the flow. You just had the flow.

00:48:01.280 Yeah. Oh, you guys don't know who Fabio is, right? Yeah. I know Fabio.

00:48:05.680 You do? So Fabio made it. He made it to the next generation. Thank God.

00:48:09.520 Something is sacred. You guys remember Fabio?

00:48:11.680 Yeah. Nick, we have a video that we can watch really quick from... I think it's the American Gladiator YouTube.

00:48:22.800 Well, just a short piece of it. Just start from the beginning. Damn, look at those abs.

00:48:27.520 So this is ice on the show. And we'll just play a little 30-second portion of it. Can you boost the audio a little bit?

00:48:35.200 I've got ice. Oh, no. That's fine.

00:48:36.560 Perfect.

00:48:38.960 So did you actually carve that ice? Oh, no. Not at all.

00:48:50.560 What was your guys's... I just seem to have an attitude. We'll pause it there.

00:48:59.280 What was your guys's favorite event?

00:49:02.560 Mine was definitely Powerball. All those tackles that you saw? Powerball.

00:49:05.680 Okay. That was Powerball. Got it. That was amazing.

00:49:08.000 You know, I just love being on camera. You know, truth be told.

00:49:14.400 Just tell us your favorite event, Dammit.

00:49:15.520 I love being on camera.

00:49:16.720 Which one?

00:49:18.240 The event's my favorite. The least a favorite was this event. You can look it up on YouTube. It was Hang Tough.

00:49:24.880 Was that with the rings?

00:49:26.960 No, not Hang Tough. Human Cannonball. Human Cannonball.

00:49:30.400 See, I got hit in the head too many times. I can't remember.

00:49:32.560 Human Cannonball was this crazy event. It was like, hey, I'm going to go stand in the street. Hit me with your car.

00:49:41.200 That's what it was like. Seriously.

00:49:42.320 Because you got the crap knot. Why don't you explain what that was?

00:49:44.080 Oh, is that when you're up on a pedestal and then the contender swings?

00:49:47.600 And they swing down. And basically by the time they swing down and hit you, they're 10 times their body weight.

00:49:52.320 And they gave us this little tiny pad about three inches thick, maybe a couple feet wide and width, to deflect.

00:49:59.840 Stupidest game in the world. I mean, it was like insane.

00:50:02.720 That's crazy.

00:50:03.360 Yeah. That's how Malibu got injured really bad, right? Because the guy kind of like kicked him or whatever.

00:50:08.160 Kind of, sort of.

00:50:09.200 Kind of, sort of. Oh, is there a backstory on that?

00:50:11.360 Okay. The boo. The boo. You know what? You should find that clip. That clip is immoral.

00:50:17.360 It is funny.

00:50:17.920 The one of Malibu getting knocked out.

00:50:19.760 Yeah. And his hair just kind of goes.

00:50:21.040 You can, just on YouTube, search Malibu. I think he knocked out will probably be the search term.

00:50:27.840 That is like the iconic clip, I think, of that generation of American gladiators that most people remember.

00:50:34.880 And I think if you watch it right away, I'll take you like, oh, it's kind of cool.

00:50:39.680 They wore spandex.

00:50:41.520 They were oiled up.

00:50:42.880 You know, they, they, it was, they got muscles.

00:50:45.840 Muscles.

00:50:48.080 Doing this like consistently as like your job, obviously over a span of years.

00:50:52.960 Like, did you ever get like super, super, super, super like tired and exhausted?

00:50:57.600 Or did the adrenaline kind of just keep you alive?

00:51:00.640 For me personally, the adrenaline kept me alive.

00:51:03.440 And yes, we had to battle some injuries.

00:51:06.160 Some, some gladiators got hurt worse than others.

00:51:08.320 I was just kind of like the gladiator that went, look, I get paid the same win or lose,

00:51:12.640 even though I want to win constantly because that's in my veins.

00:51:15.120 That's who I am.

00:51:16.160 But if I felt like I was going to like be in a compromising position, I'd be like, go ahead.

00:51:20.960 I didn't want to tear an ACL.

00:51:22.240 I didn't want to do that because basically we were, you know, you get hurt.

00:51:26.480 You're out.

00:51:26.880 You don't get paid.

00:51:27.600 You're done.

00:51:28.640 And we knew that like that.

00:51:30.960 She's like, really?

00:51:31.680 Seriously?

00:51:32.080 Yeah, seriously.

00:51:34.000 Yeah.

00:51:34.320 Well, that's what happened with, well, I think quite a few gladiators got.

00:51:38.320 Oh yeah.

00:51:38.960 Injured.

00:51:39.440 They, they were out and that's why we went through so many gladiators.

00:51:42.400 Nick, do you have the clip?

00:51:43.520 I'm trying to find a good video for it.

00:51:47.200 Isn't Malibu that a knockdown of that?

00:51:49.600 Yeah.

00:51:50.000 If you search like the key term, American gladiator, Malibu gets knocked out, gets knocked out.

00:51:56.640 You should, if it's on YouTube, you should be able to find it.

00:52:00.400 So I think there's this rumor that you're her dad.

00:52:02.720 Is it this one?

00:52:04.240 No.

00:52:04.640 Oh no.

00:52:05.040 Wait, thanks, Al.

00:52:05.520 There's a rumor that-

00:52:06.080 Wait, yeah, Nick, audio, audio.

00:52:08.080 We're siblings, actually.

00:52:17.200 Oh yeah, that's it.

00:52:21.040 I liked Malibu.

00:52:22.160 In the documentary, I was kind of a little bummed to learn that he only had one season.

00:52:27.200 I actually interview him tomorrow on my podcast.

00:52:30.720 Oh, awesome.

00:52:31.360 Malibu tries to deflect this blow by Brian Hudson, but catches it right flat on the chest.

00:52:36.640 Well, the interview is the best after.

00:52:38.560 Oh, there's an interview.

00:52:39.360 Okay.

00:52:41.440 Yeah.

00:52:41.680 Find the interview after it because he talks about, oh, he talks about catching waves.

00:52:46.080 Dude.

00:52:46.320 It was so iconic of the time.

00:52:48.800 Yeah.

00:52:49.040 It was just, what happened, bro?

00:52:50.480 And he's like, dude, I was just catching some rays.

00:52:53.200 I was drinking some brews and he flips his hair.

00:52:56.240 I had some babes.

00:52:57.040 Yeah.

00:52:57.360 Next thing I knew the lights were out.

00:52:59.520 Look, it was just a, it was a iconic for the time period.

00:53:02.480 And he is playing this character.

00:53:03.840 I mean, he really played up to his character.

00:53:05.920 All right.

00:53:10.000 Sweet.

00:53:11.440 Well, that's, you got, you got the end of it.

00:53:13.360 That was, that was the end of it.

00:53:14.800 Mm-hmm.

00:53:15.200 Producer Nick, by the way.

00:53:16.640 What a line of a mouth.

00:53:25.280 Hey, Malibu, after you got drilled by that human cannon.

00:53:27.760 I love the sunglasses.

00:53:28.560 I thought, hey, there is no way this guy is going to live the plan.

00:53:31.200 Can you put us on the other side?

00:53:32.160 Wait, pause it, Nick.

00:53:32.880 Nick, pause it.

00:53:33.840 Did you go to the hospital?

00:53:34.800 Can you put us on the other side?

00:53:36.800 Yeah.

00:53:37.920 Do you know how to?

00:53:39.920 No, no, no.

00:53:40.320 There's, there's two sources.

00:53:42.720 Oh, right.

00:53:47.200 You can do it.

00:53:49.120 Just, just.

00:53:50.480 No, I think it's the top one.

00:53:52.880 There you go.

00:53:53.600 Hospital, did you get x-rays?

00:53:56.720 Well, dude, it's like this.

00:53:58.720 I saw this guy coming, and I took the most excellent hit of my life.

00:54:04.720 The next thing I knew, I was on the beach, taking in some cosmic rays, getting healed by

00:54:10.560 mother nature, taking a little brewski, holding on a beautiful babe, and I'm fine today.

00:54:16.960 So, no hospital, no doctors, just mother nature, huh?

00:54:19.520 Oh, I'm a child of mother nature, what do you expect?

00:54:22.720 Malibu, you are truly amazing.

00:54:24.160 He took a licking, and he is still ticking.

00:54:27.360 Look at that hair.

00:54:28.400 He's brushed off the shoulder.

00:54:29.760 I feel, and that was, was that 89, 89, 89, teen 89.

00:54:35.440 I think most people on your, who've watched your show, and most of the panel weren't even born then.

00:54:40.640 It's like a time capsule.

00:54:42.400 You go back in time, and that's where you would see.

00:54:45.280 Hey, wait a minute, don't we still have, isn't there a channel on Pluto still?

00:54:49.280 The American Gladiator channel?

00:54:50.480 No, no, American Gladiator is okay that YouTube, they have a channel where you can go see.

00:54:54.320 There's a lot.

00:54:55.200 Yeah, but also Vice actually just started running old episodes of American Gladiator.

00:55:00.240 Someone told me.

00:55:01.120 I want to know who's taking it over.

00:55:02.320 Do you know that yet?

00:55:03.280 No, I don't know.

00:55:04.160 The intellectual property?

00:55:06.560 The IP is owned by MGM.

00:55:08.320 No, I'm talking about the reboot.

00:55:10.000 Oh, there's a reboot.

00:55:10.880 Possibly.

00:55:11.600 I've heard there is.

00:55:13.840 That'd be cool.

00:55:15.120 That'd be cool.

00:55:16.240 Yeah.

00:55:16.400 Yeah.

00:55:17.600 So, I feel like, but the show kind of, I think, came into its own in the early 90s.

00:55:24.960 Like, because the first season was 89, I think, and then, and I don't know.

00:55:30.640 I feel like 90s is kind of like peak, peak civilization.

00:55:34.240 I think it's when Eitan and who else came in as producers?

00:55:40.080 Well, Eitan was the guy who came in, but Bob Levy.

00:55:43.840 Bob Levy.

00:55:44.560 Bob Levy.

00:55:44.640 The little dude.

00:55:45.600 Okay.

00:55:45.920 On the muscle, ma'am.

00:55:46.880 Do you see the little, the little jumping little penises that he had on his, on his desk?

00:55:52.160 Bob Levy.

00:55:52.880 Wait.

00:55:53.360 He looked like a little short troll man.

00:55:54.880 I heard about that on the documentary.

00:55:56.080 On the documentary?

00:55:56.960 Yes.

00:55:57.120 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:57.920 So, Bob Levy was a director that we brought in who was a sports director, I think, for the

00:56:02.560 second season.

00:56:03.200 Him, along with Eitan Keller, kind of took the show out of the dark ages, which you saw

00:56:07.680 to what, you know, it was known as, you know, a bigger spectacle of a show.

00:56:13.360 But Bob Levy, he was a freak.

00:56:16.640 He was.

00:56:17.680 He was a complete porn star freak.

00:56:20.240 Yeah, sometimes, you know, it takes, you know, freak to be genius to create something

00:56:24.640 like that.

00:56:25.120 And he was just a guy who lived in the Hollywood Hills.

00:56:28.400 He's a great dude, but he's like five foot three and he had these glasses and you would

00:56:33.040 think he would be a librarian, but that dude could party.

00:56:37.280 He had this house up on Mulholland Boulevard and it was legendary, you know, porn stars,

00:56:42.240 people, skinny dipping.

00:56:43.600 And, and yeah, if you went to one of his parties, you came out changed.

00:56:50.240 I heard that on the documentary, actually, like they were like, the cops showed up four

00:56:54.560 different times.

00:56:55.520 Like they were just going in on that, saying how he threw the craziest parties.

00:56:59.440 Madison.

00:57:00.320 Yes.

00:57:00.640 You came out changed.

00:57:02.880 How did you, what was your experience?

00:57:04.560 What does that mean?

00:57:05.680 What does that mean?

00:57:06.320 How did you come back out changed?

00:57:07.840 What was your personal experience?

00:57:09.760 Well, I came from that life, but one of our, uh, good friends, gladiator, uh, Jim Caliphate

00:57:15.120 laser, he's a country boy from Montana.

00:57:17.280 He had never seen anything like that.

00:57:19.600 And he went to the party at Bob Levy's house just once, just once.

00:57:28.000 And it changed him.

00:57:29.440 I mean, he, he was no longer the same man.

00:57:33.680 You know, it's, I don't even know how to explain it.

00:57:37.040 He just changed.

00:57:37.840 In a, in a good way.

00:57:41.680 Would you say it was a good way?

00:57:42.800 So I don't even know what you're talking about right now, so I don't know.

00:57:46.000 I don't even know.

00:57:46.800 I have no idea what you're talking about.

00:57:48.160 What do you mean change?

00:57:48.960 Jim was my, he just changed.

00:57:50.400 I mean, you saw the world, you see the world in a different way.

00:57:54.640 Through porn star eyes.

00:57:55.840 What?

00:57:56.400 Well, through eyes of realizing what was out there.

00:57:59.520 If you lived a sheltered life, that makes sense.

00:58:02.640 You know what I mean?

00:58:03.200 So if you grew up, you know, and you're, you're very sheltered and you, you know, yes,

00:58:07.040 ma'am.

00:58:07.360 Thank you, sir.

00:58:08.560 Yeah.

00:58:08.800 That Brian's coughing.

00:58:10.000 He must've been sheltered.

00:58:11.120 Country boy from Montana to that.

00:58:13.040 I see it.

00:58:14.000 And then all of a sudden you just, you know, like you go to the playboy mansion and you're

00:58:18.320 like, Oh my God, this goes on in the world.

00:58:22.880 Ooh.

00:58:23.200 That's cool though.

00:58:24.320 Have you ever been there?

00:58:25.600 Have you ever?

00:58:26.080 Okay.

00:58:26.480 I remember the first time I was at the playboy mansion and the girls were painted.

00:58:32.240 I didn't realize they were painted.

00:58:34.400 I mean, they were just naked walking around and I was just like, Holy shit.

00:58:38.160 When you realize that it's like, Oh, they painted to look like they had clothes on.

00:58:43.120 Oh, exactly.

00:58:43.920 But they're completely naked.

00:58:45.040 And it was just the most amazing thing you'd ever seen.

00:58:47.840 Wow.

00:58:48.320 Yeah.

00:58:48.800 It was, Oh, it was cool.

00:58:51.040 It was, it was a lot of fun.

00:58:52.400 Would you guys go together with like a group of gladiators go to the playboy mansion or I

00:58:56.720 never went with any gladiators.

00:58:57.920 I was invited.

00:58:59.040 I was invited a couple of times through other people, you know, different producers or directors

00:59:03.280 or things like that went into have some theater.

00:59:06.880 I mean, sat down, watched old movies.

00:59:09.920 That was just, you know, just knowing that you were at this playboy mansion with all these

00:59:13.760 beautiful people walking around.

00:59:15.120 It was just unbelievable.

00:59:16.240 The ambiance.

00:59:17.040 His backyard with all the, uh, oh my God, his animals, just insane.

00:59:22.720 Animals?

00:59:23.280 So yeah, he had a bunch of them.

00:59:25.040 Oh, interesting.

00:59:25.840 I want to bring it back to the tour that you guys were on.

00:59:28.400 So, uh, and you guys mentioned, uh, groupies, you guys had some groupies.

00:59:34.080 Did they join, did they join you guys on tour at all?

00:59:39.360 Or was this just like in each new city you're in, there are some girls that, you know, you

00:59:47.360 were the king.

00:59:48.320 No, you were the king.

00:59:50.480 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:59:52.000 We had fun.

00:59:52.880 We had fun.

00:59:53.440 I don't think we had groupies that would follow us.

00:59:55.840 Okay.

00:59:56.240 And now possibly if we were like from an hour, you know, an hour to two hours from

01:00:00.960 the next city, then yes, but to actually follow the bus and, you know, around 126.

01:00:07.440 No, we didn't have that.

01:00:09.200 Um, but yes, there was like, you know, they were at the shows.

01:00:14.560 I don't want to say they're groupies.

01:00:16.160 I think the idea is that when you're on TV and you're traveling around the country and

01:00:24.400 a bus, what is the availability of sex from people that you could be interested in?

01:00:33.120 A hundred percent available.

01:00:35.200 Yeah.

01:00:35.600 And, but you know, like, like we're talking about the playboy mansion earlier.

01:00:38.960 I just, I don't think it even exists.

01:00:40.480 Does it even exist now?

01:00:41.920 I think it's a shadow of its former self.

01:00:45.680 And I think they sold it.

01:00:46.720 Like I never went, I was, I was invited a lot, but I'm like, why do I want to go there?

01:00:54.000 But you did, you, you didn't go there, but you dated some playboy bunnies, right?

01:00:59.040 Or was it the porn stars?

01:01:01.280 I'm trying to, I'm trying to find out what's a list of words you can't say.

01:01:05.440 You can't say these words like he wrote down the words, but you know, it was, um, yeah,

01:01:14.640 you run in those circles.

01:01:16.000 So there was a place called the Hollywood Tropicana, which is off Sunset Boulevard.

01:01:20.560 And it was where they had mud wrestling, perfectly legitimate, fun, mud wrestling.

01:01:25.920 I don't know if that's a thing still, but where you get girls in bikinis and they would wrestle.

01:01:30.000 And a lot of the girls, no, it's not a thing anymore.

01:01:35.360 It's dated.

01:01:35.760 Okay.

01:01:35.920 So you had much mud rust.

01:01:37.040 I don't think they do that anymore, but they did.

01:01:41.040 Now you have mud runs.

01:01:42.480 There you go.

01:01:43.120 Now you have mud runs, right?

01:01:44.560 Now you have mud runs, but there was a thing called mud wrestling.

01:01:46.720 If you watch like a comedy from the eighties or nine, no, I've heard of it.

01:01:49.920 Certainly I've heard it's a thing.

01:01:51.120 Yeah, it was a thing.

01:01:52.320 And this, this place had, you know, most, most attractive girls, some were bunnies,

01:01:56.800 some worked in the porn industry and you know, if you were in the industry, if you were,

01:02:02.160 you know, on TV or athlete, a lot of professional athletes go, that's where you would go meet

01:02:06.480 a lot of these girls.

01:02:07.120 But I never went to the playboy mansion.

01:02:09.120 I was asked, you know, quite a few times.

01:02:11.280 I just thought like, you know, those girls are there looking in my opinion, looking for

01:02:16.480 a sugar daddy.

01:02:18.320 And I just wanted someone who liked me, you know what I mean?

01:02:21.120 Which I don't know if anybody ever did on the tour.

01:02:24.960 Just bringing it back to the groupies.

01:02:26.720 So you were in 120 cities, confirm or deny a new girl in every city.

01:02:33.360 Oh God.

01:02:33.840 No, no.

01:02:34.640 Okay.

01:02:34.960 Not every only half for Lori.

01:02:37.120 Okay.

01:02:38.240 70, maybe 70, 70 cities.

01:02:40.800 I can honestly say I can look back and I can count on one hand how many girls I was with

01:02:47.280 on that, on that tour.

01:02:48.320 Oh, okay.

01:02:48.880 That must be nice.

01:02:49.920 I can't remember anything.

01:02:51.200 You can't really?

01:02:52.240 No, I don't remember anything.

01:02:53.360 I can't remember all of them, but I know I wasn't.

01:02:56.720 It wasn't like that.

01:02:58.080 Okay.

01:02:58.400 Maybe two hands.

01:03:00.080 I'm kidding.

01:03:00.800 Two hands.

01:03:01.280 Okay.

01:03:05.600 I mean, I, I imagine, cause I mean, looking at the documentary, you guys were constantly

01:03:09.600 traveling, which must be tiring and not only traveling, but you were doing, you said four

01:03:14.640 shows a week.

01:03:16.160 I mean, I almost feel like you'd just be so tired.

01:03:20.000 You're not like, you're just, oh, you're not, you're never that tired.

01:03:24.160 I was asking earlier.

01:03:24.960 They said the adrenaline keeps you alive.

01:03:27.440 We were doing six shows a week.

01:03:29.280 I mean, it was like Madison square garden on Friday night, get on the bus, go to Long

01:03:33.920 Island, do a show, get on the bus.

01:03:35.440 The next night, go to Philadelphia, do a show, take maybe Monday and Tuesday off most, then

01:03:40.000 go to the next city and do another show.

01:03:41.920 But man, you know what you're in front of, you know, 15,000 screaming people.

01:03:48.160 How can you, you know, not get pumped up?

01:03:50.880 How can you not get excited for that?

01:03:52.480 Yeah, that's true.

01:03:53.200 You know, knowing that, you know, some little kid with his parents may be saved up to come

01:03:57.920 and see you.

01:03:58.960 How could you not feel the responsibility to go out and give a good show and deliver?

01:04:04.080 Well, night after night.

01:04:05.040 Yeah.

01:04:05.440 What was the largest audience that you guys ever had MSG?

01:04:09.760 Was it 20,000, 15,000?

01:04:11.520 Like how many?

01:04:12.000 What's it hold?

01:04:12.800 I know what it holds.

01:04:14.160 What's it hold?

01:04:15.120 Yeah.

01:04:15.520 Yeah.

01:04:15.760 I'll look it up.

01:04:16.320 We sold it out.

01:04:17.760 MSG seats 19,500 capacity.

01:04:23.840 So pretty much 20,000.

01:04:25.280 Wow.

01:04:25.840 That was the only night I think that we fought over who was going to do the events, you know,

01:04:31.440 because everybody wanted to be out in front of that crowd.

01:04:33.680 Like nobody, I don't, I don't personally like to do the joust whatsoever.

01:04:37.520 Did you guys ever feel like competitive with each other in a way?

01:04:41.280 Oh God.

01:04:41.440 Yes.

01:04:41.840 I think so.

01:04:42.800 Especially the girls.

01:04:43.600 I don't know about the guys, but the girls were, we were competitive in a, in a different

01:04:47.520 way than the guys, I think.

01:04:48.560 But that particular night, again, nobody, I hate doing the joust, but we were fighting

01:04:53.600 over who was going to do the joust because you were center stage in front of 19,500 people.

01:04:58.880 Wow.

01:04:59.440 And just the roar of the crowd, I, you can't even put that in words, what you feel like

01:05:05.200 when you hear that.

01:05:06.720 That's gotta be like this glorious feeling, just like the, the, they're all cheering for

01:05:13.200 you.

01:05:13.440 That's, that's awesome.

01:05:14.480 My girlfriend called it, like, she watched the documentary and when, you know, she goes,

01:05:19.680 when I saw you running around and you're just like going like this the whole time,

01:05:23.120 she goes, it was almost like the ego gasm, you know, because it was just,

01:05:27.520 I love that word.

01:05:28.400 Yeah.

01:05:28.720 It was just, it was just an incredible feeling.

01:05:31.440 It was like you were, I was in my element, you know, when you're in your element, you're

01:05:35.200 performing at your best, a hundred percent.

01:05:37.200 Then life is good.

01:05:38.960 Life is very good.

01:05:40.080 Ego gasm.

01:05:41.360 Yes.

01:05:41.600 I love that.

01:05:42.320 Ego gasm.

01:05:42.800 That's such a great word.

01:05:43.600 I've never heard of it.

01:05:44.320 Yeah.

01:05:44.400 I've never heard of it.

01:05:45.200 It's good though.

01:05:46.400 That's my makeup word.

01:05:47.680 I like that.

01:05:48.320 I'm going to get a shirt.

01:05:48.960 There you go.

01:05:49.440 Ego gasm.

01:05:50.160 There we go.

01:05:50.720 Go to the garden, sell it out.

01:05:52.160 Yeah.

01:05:52.480 You know, it's.

01:05:52.880 Let me make it first and I'll sell it to you.

01:05:54.480 You're going to finally get a piece of merch.

01:05:57.280 Exactly.

01:05:57.680 You know, it's interesting, you know, because the show was on quite a long time ago.

01:06:02.720 Yeah.

01:06:03.280 And when I hear so many people say, Oh God, you know, it must've been really tough being

01:06:08.800 famous.

01:06:10.640 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:06:12.960 The burden of fame.

01:06:14.320 It was such a privilege to be famous.

01:06:17.840 It was such a privilege for people to want your time and attention, to want you to shine

01:06:24.800 your light on them.

01:06:25.600 It was a privilege, you know, to go to a great restaurant and, Oh, Hey, you're that guy.

01:06:30.240 Come on in.

01:06:30.720 We have a seat for you.

01:06:32.880 For me, it was always such a privilege to, to have that spotlight for, you know, a brief

01:06:39.200 moment in time back then.

01:06:40.880 And again, it was such a privilege when muscles and mayhem came back out on Netflix a month

01:06:46.240 ago to have everything just blow up to go on, you know, all these different talk shows

01:06:51.120 and TV shows and, and podcasts here with you, you know, the, whatever podcast, you know, 5

01:06:56.960 million subscribers.

01:06:58.160 Right.

01:06:58.560 So, I mean, to me, it's such a, it's such an honor that people are interested in your story

01:07:04.880 and that maybe you can take some of your life, you know, experiences and, and share it with

01:07:10.320 people and that they, they want to want to hear it.

01:07:13.280 I think where fame gets you in trouble is when you start to only search for the fame, right?

01:07:22.640 When you look at fame and you take it as adoration, I mean, you take the adoration and applause

01:07:30.800 and you mistake it maybe for love, you know what I mean?

01:07:33.680 Oh, they're clapping for me.

01:07:35.040 Oh, they adore me.

01:07:36.240 Oh, they love me.

01:07:37.840 And when you use that and it fills you in that way, when it goes away, it's a hard, hard time.

01:07:44.880 That's when it gets hard.

01:07:46.720 Nowadays, I think that since everybody seems to be famous, I mean, let's think of it seriously.

01:07:52.800 It's like we can, our social media now, it's like, you can be, you can have a one hit and

01:07:58.160 go viral and all of a sudden now you're famous, but what are you famous really for?

01:08:02.480 Right.

01:08:03.040 That's very true.

01:08:03.840 Not, not really.

01:08:05.040 A lot of people get famous for doing absolutely nothing.

01:08:07.200 Absolutely nothing.

01:08:08.160 Yeah.

01:08:08.800 And I feel like it was such a privilege for you guys to be famous at that time because

01:08:13.360 again, social media wasn't really a thing.

01:08:15.360 Right.

01:08:15.600 You kind of had to work hard.

01:08:16.880 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:17.040 You had to work hard to get, you know, to become famous.

01:08:19.280 Yeah.

01:08:19.680 Now you don't have to really work hard to become famous.

01:08:22.240 You just kind of have a really good idea and maybe a really good

01:08:25.040 video that you edit the shit out of that comes out amazing.

01:08:28.160 Right.

01:08:28.560 It's way more accessible.

01:08:30.000 And I think that's actually kind of like, I think there's less star power today than there

01:08:35.680 used to be.

01:08:36.160 Like if you think of like a list celebrities, I feel like, you know, if you go back 20 years

01:08:42.000 ago, you had Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio.

01:08:45.120 Like, I don't think coming along, there's anybody that really strikes me as like, or Tom Cruise,

01:08:51.760 even, even in the music industry.

01:08:53.200 Like, I feel like people quite, well, music industry is a little different, but you had

01:08:57.680 these massive, massive stars.

01:08:59.920 And I feel like the, there's not, it's just more spread thin.

01:09:04.960 Oh, we can look in JLo's closet now.

01:09:06.880 Right.

01:09:07.360 So there's no secrets.

01:09:08.720 There's no.

01:09:09.360 Yeah.

01:09:09.600 There's not a mystery.

01:09:10.560 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:11.280 Because back, I mean, being in LA, we could go to a restaurant and a celebrity walks in

01:09:15.440 and everybody's like, oh my God, you know, and, and everybody would like, you know, okay,

01:09:20.240 don't go ask them for their autograph.

01:09:21.440 They're eating dinner, you know, be respectful.

01:09:23.760 That's kind of gone.

01:09:24.720 Yeah.

01:09:25.040 And I think when it came to fame and celebrity, it was kind of being gatekept by institutions.

01:09:33.840 So you had, you know, the movie studios production, like now you can be into an individual

01:09:41.120 and gather, uh, influence, uh, well, not, not influence, but you can become famous on a

01:09:49.600 individual level without needing like a production around you.

01:09:54.240 Oh, 100%.

01:09:55.120 You just, you need your phone and you could, you said it perfectly, Brian, the gatekeepers

01:10:00.800 are gone.

01:10:01.440 Yeah.

01:10:01.760 Right.

01:10:02.240 And that's both beautiful and it's terrible at the same time.

01:10:05.600 Yes.

01:10:06.240 Right.

01:10:06.640 So anybody can come on for anything.

01:10:08.800 Yes.

01:10:09.200 The barrier to entry to the media business.

01:10:11.520 Exactly.

01:10:12.080 Influencer to be in front, um, makes it more accessible to every man, every woman, every

01:10:17.200 person, which is, which exit, which is great.

01:10:19.600 But I think what you said is right on the move.

01:10:22.480 The idea of movie star is dead, right?

01:10:25.280 Like who is the young movie stars that people right now are flocking to go see like, oh my

01:10:31.040 God, you know, before, you know, a movie was opening and there was a certain person in

01:10:35.200 it, you were like, oh, he's in this movie.

01:10:36.800 I got to see it.

01:10:38.320 And now I think what Lori said is so true that, you know, the old saying is never meet

01:10:43.760 your heroes because you start to meet your heroes.

01:10:46.480 And then you see, you meet Will Smith, you know, and people, they become more human and

01:10:51.520 you see them for their flaws and you lose that, um, fantasy's gone.

01:10:55.680 Yeah.

01:10:55.920 The idolization of, of heroes.

01:10:58.240 And I don't know, you know, uh, what you guys think, if that's good or bad, I, maybe

01:11:03.840 there is no judgment.

01:11:04.720 Maybe it just is and we have to deal with it.

01:11:07.520 I think it's kind of bad in the way that no famous person has privacy these days.

01:11:14.240 Like everyone on social media will spectate every single thing you do.

01:11:19.440 Like, uh, this model influencer, Kylie Jenner, she hit her pregnancy for so long and the fan,

01:11:28.080 her fans were the one who figured out she was pregnant and put it out to the world before

01:11:32.320 she even announced it.

01:11:33.440 Like you just don't really get privacy nowadays.

01:11:36.320 Well, look, you're talking about the Kardashians and they're putting everything out that every

01:11:41.760 five minutes of the day, but people were choice, people were, yeah, that's true.

01:11:46.000 They made their choice to document everything.

01:11:47.920 They let people in and they've built a huge empire out empire out of it.

01:11:51.840 I was watching like an interview and she said that she hit her pregnancy just so like people

01:11:56.160 wouldn't kind of hover her all the time about it.

01:12:00.720 They are on a different level, but they were just like for the, for the viewers and the fans

01:12:05.280 and everything, there were people in helicopters flying over her house to see like what got delivered

01:12:09.680 to her house.

01:12:10.480 Like if a crib got delivered to her house, like remind me how they got famous again.

01:12:14.320 How did they get famous?

01:12:17.120 Are you serious?

01:12:18.000 You don't know?

01:12:18.640 Kim Kardashian.

01:12:19.440 Is that why?

01:12:20.080 Well, what did she do?

01:12:21.360 What did she do?

01:12:22.400 She made a sex tape.

01:12:23.520 Yeah.

01:12:23.760 But wasn't that like way after?

01:12:26.240 Wasn't it the OJ Simpson thing?

01:12:27.920 Well, I mean, her father, uh, was involved in the OJ Simpson trial, but I mean, I'd probably

01:12:35.760 say it was the sex tape that kind of got them going.

01:12:39.040 So now, you know, the world has changed where you make a sex tape, you release it, and then

01:12:44.400 now you're famous.

01:12:45.440 Now, that being said, take nothing away from the Kardashians, right?

01:12:50.080 From Kris Jenner.

01:12:51.200 She's built an empire.

01:12:52.640 That was her, right?

01:12:53.760 She's built an empire.

01:12:55.120 And I don't care who you are building whether you want it or not building an empire like

01:12:59.760 they have done where they've monetized every single thing.

01:13:03.040 If that's what you want to do, then, you know, that's good for you.

01:13:08.240 Good for you.

01:13:08.720 But you look at someone like George Clooney, he's opted not to go on social media.

01:13:14.880 So that's a choice, right?

01:13:17.040 And I think a lot of people are afraid not to be on social media, to not be on social media,

01:13:24.000 because then it's going to hurt their career.

01:13:27.280 Like when Muscles and Mayhem came out on Netflix, I didn't have an Instagram account.

01:13:30.880 Mine was hacked about a year ago.

01:13:32.640 And I just said, Oh, I don't need an Instagram account.

01:13:34.960 Why?

01:13:35.600 And the Netflix publicist publicist, like, you got to have an Instagram account.

01:13:38.400 You got to have a social.

01:13:39.120 I'm like, I do.

01:13:40.960 You have to become relevant.

01:13:42.080 Yeah.

01:13:42.320 You got to feed the beast.

01:13:43.280 You got to feed the beast.

01:13:44.160 So, you know, I reopened an account and yeah, it's just interesting.

01:13:48.800 And, you know, it was fun posting.

01:13:50.560 And now it feels like it's a duty for me.

01:13:53.040 And I'm like, why do I want to post?

01:13:54.400 Are most of you guys is like, sorry, I interrupted.

01:13:56.560 Are most of you guys is DMS and kind of feedback like super positive?

01:14:00.080 Or do you find that anything negative at mine, super positive?

01:14:03.040 I don't think we have anything negative because I mean, our fans are our fans.

01:14:07.280 That's very true.

01:14:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:08.640 And they're just so grateful that they have this nostalgic, you know, piece that's out

01:14:14.000 there now, Muscles and Mayhem that they can reflect back on and go, Oh my God, this was

01:14:18.160 part of my childhood.

01:14:19.120 This was part of my bringing up.

01:14:20.720 It brings them back to a simpler time, you know, and a lot of people love to have that

01:14:25.200 feeling because right now it's like so much is crazy.

01:14:27.680 And everybody's like, you know, the it's, it's the world is what it is, but yet they,

01:14:32.480 they just want to, they just want to feel that simplicity again, you know?

01:14:35.920 And they love that nostalgia of, of that, that feeling of going back.

01:14:41.840 Well, I think it's like a good song, you know, right?

01:14:44.000 There's a song that you listen to and you listen to that song.

01:14:46.160 Oh man.

01:14:46.720 I remember that was high school when I was a freshman.

01:14:49.200 I remember in college I was with my boys or, Oh, that's when I was with my boyfriend.

01:14:52.880 I don't know why I spoke in that voice, but that's when I was with my boyfriend.

01:14:56.800 So gladiators is very nostalgic for, for kids of the nineties.

01:15:01.600 And one of the nice things like Lori was saying, we got so many DMS like, Oh my God, I watched

01:15:06.080 that show with my dad.

01:15:07.200 It was that one moment we had together.

01:15:09.280 Oh my God.

01:15:09.760 I watched that show with, you know, my little brother.

01:15:11.760 And then we'd go out to the backyard and we played gladiators.

01:15:14.800 So when Muscles and Mayhem came out on, on Netflix, it was just really eyeopening

01:15:20.080 to see how important and what a valuable memory that was for a lot of the nineties kids.

01:15:27.600 And it's so surprising because they never thought it would happen again.

01:15:30.400 They never thought this reunion would happen again.

01:15:33.840 They didn't.

01:15:34.320 Yeah.

01:15:34.640 And especially for me going back to where a lot of my DMS were, thank you for giving

01:15:38.880 me the permission to be a strong female, you know, because we were ahead of their time.

01:15:43.200 You know, the females on the show, we were like, you know, we're muscular.

01:15:45.920 We were, we were, you know, powerful.

01:15:48.000 We were just like kind of no bullshit.

01:15:49.760 And that gave other women in the world at that point in time permission.

01:15:54.640 So a lot of my DMS were, thank you.

01:15:58.000 Thank you for paving the way.

01:15:59.200 Thank you for being this kind of person, your authentic self to, you know, allow us to stand

01:16:05.280 up and be powerful and strong and who we are.

01:16:08.720 So that's the, another super cool thing about getting these types of the feedback.

01:16:14.560 That's great because we didn't have that feedback back then.

01:16:17.040 Cause again, we didn't have the social media to get that kind of feedback.

01:16:21.280 Yeah.

01:16:21.600 You know, we got fan letters and everything, but the fan, you know, that's a little different

01:16:24.720 story.

01:16:25.200 Yeah.

01:16:25.520 Yeah.

01:16:25.920 Yeah.

01:16:26.240 So that's the good side to social media.

01:16:28.320 One of the good things for me is, you know, people from all over the world, you know, on Instagram

01:16:33.280 mainly, uh, have DM'd and Oh, I watched you when I was a kid.

01:16:36.800 Oh, thank you.

01:16:37.520 You know, I named my dog after you, you know, whatever it was.

01:16:40.560 Oh, Hey, look, I had a rough time in childhood and watching your guys, your show, you know,

01:16:44.560 American gladiators.

01:16:45.440 It made me feel strong.

01:16:46.640 Um, that's the good side.

01:16:48.880 And I pretty much right back to everybody, you know, I'm up late at night and my, my, uh,

01:16:54.080 Kim, my girlfriend's like, you don't have to answer every single DM.

01:16:57.840 And I'm like, yeah, I do.

01:16:59.280 Yeah, we do.

01:17:00.240 We do very much.

01:17:01.440 Well, and this is where it's like, I talked to laser as like, dude, you got to get on social

01:17:05.040 media because if here's the thing, if we have 10 gladiators and we only have two to three

01:17:09.840 gladiators are on social media and we want to stay relevant and we want to keep that name out

01:17:14.320 there and we want to do things.

01:17:15.680 We want to do personal appearances and we want to do bookings.

01:17:18.720 All of us need to be on social media because then we have a presence with all of us,

01:17:23.040 not just one or two.

01:17:24.080 It doesn't work that way.

01:17:25.200 It's a good point.

01:17:25.920 You know, so my social media, I was getting my social media geared up a good year and a

01:17:30.480 half ahead of time.

01:17:32.000 I mean, when we started filming the muscles of mayhem and it was like, okay, you need to do

01:17:36.000 a tick tock account.

01:17:37.280 I was like, really?

01:17:38.880 Your account's awesome.

01:17:40.000 Your tick tock account is awesome.

01:17:42.080 I mean, I had such a good time building that, you know, I really did.

01:17:45.760 But at the same time, like he said, it can be daunting because it's like, okay, now you

01:17:49.680 got to do every single platform there is out there.

01:17:52.000 We're talking tick tock, Instagram, Facebook.

01:17:54.240 You can link them all together.

01:17:55.280 Thank God.

01:17:56.000 But at the same time, people want different content for all different platforms.

01:17:59.840 Exactly.

01:18:00.480 You know, and it's like, okay, you want this, this, this.

01:18:03.120 I do a podcast once a week.

01:18:04.800 I actually do other people's podcasts.

01:18:06.720 So, and posting it's like, oh my God, when do I find the time?

01:18:12.080 I want to last thing here on the tour.

01:18:14.560 So there was a anecdote in the documentary and in the book that there was a girl in Chicago

01:18:22.800 Chicago and, uh, I guess she was a beauty and all the gladiators, all the male gladiators

01:18:28.800 were pining over her and, uh, there was a wager.

01:18:32.560 Can you tell us about the wager?

01:18:34.080 So Chicago where Michael Jordan played famous city, famous arena.

01:18:40.000 Uh, we went there on the tour and there was this super like attractive female contender.

01:18:49.120 And the boys, you know, all of us were lined up thinking like, oh yeah, who can, you know,

01:18:53.760 ask her out.

01:18:54.480 Uh, and we started, you know, guys in their twenties, we started to put a wage on.

01:18:58.400 Oh, I could, I could get, oh no, I could go out there.

01:19:00.240 I could go out with her.

01:19:01.280 And we put, you know, whatever it was 50 bucks on this.

01:19:03.920 Who could end up dating this girl?

01:19:05.920 She was only $50 worth.

01:19:08.800 Well, it wasn't the amount of money.

01:19:10.240 It was just the idea of like, Hey, which one of us should be the most, you know, macho guy

01:19:14.400 back in that day and actually, uh, pull off this feat.

01:19:17.840 And we were like, okay, here she comes, here she comes.

01:19:20.160 And after the show, we can't find her.

01:19:23.440 Cause I saw, so the way it works is, uh, that you, you compete on the show.

01:19:26.640 Then after the show, there's a green room where there's a meet and greet where all the contenders

01:19:30.240 come in with the sponsors come in and we're all looking around like, where is she?

01:19:33.360 Where is she?

01:19:33.760 And we could not find her.

01:19:35.200 We didn't know what happened to her.

01:19:36.480 We're like, ah, dude, I guess nobody wins the bet.

01:19:39.600 And then the next morning at the hotel we're packed up.

01:19:50.480 We're waiting to go and the elevator doors open.

01:19:54.400 And this one, Lori Fetrick, ice comes out with her arm around this girl.

01:20:04.880 My arm was not around the girl.

01:20:06.720 It was around her way.

01:20:08.800 She comes out with her arm around.

01:20:10.160 At least that's how, that's how you envisioned it.

01:20:12.320 That's what my tortured memory was.

01:20:13.360 Her arm was around her waist and she looks at all of us and she puts the L right here

01:20:17.280 and she goes losers.

01:20:19.040 And she walks out with the girl.

01:20:20.720 Did you know that they were kind of all competing for her?

01:20:23.120 Oh God, yes.

01:20:24.400 It was funny.

01:20:25.440 So you're like game on.

01:20:26.480 Oh, absolutely.

01:20:27.920 Okay.

01:20:28.240 She's got the game.

01:20:30.000 And so you, was that the only time you ever swooped in from any of the male gladiators

01:20:36.240 and stole a gal from?

01:20:40.240 She probably stole my wife.

01:20:41.600 I didn't even realize it.

01:20:44.080 I'm just a big, dumb guy.

01:20:46.240 I don't have the game that this one had.

01:20:48.000 Okay.

01:20:48.400 That is so not true.

01:20:50.000 That is so not true.

01:20:52.160 No, not at all.

01:20:53.040 I said ice baby.

01:20:54.880 No, no, no, no, no.

01:20:56.400 The guys, come on.

01:20:57.680 The guys on the tour were, yes, they were, they're just like, you know, big hunts over

01:21:03.360 the girls constantly.

01:21:04.720 And it was kind of funny.

01:21:06.400 And so, I mean, like I said, you just kind of get that feeling.

01:21:09.200 You get that vibe.

01:21:09.920 You just know.

01:21:10.800 I mean, anyway, I did anyway.

01:21:12.640 So it was just fun to watch them, you know, just drooling over some girls and making bets

01:21:17.600 and everything else.

01:21:18.320 And I could tell, and I could look at the girl whether or not she was into them or not,

01:21:21.680 or if she was into me.

01:21:23.280 And so I just wouldn't say anything to you guys.

01:21:25.040 And I would just watch, you know, and then yes, that's, it was, it was a swoop in, but

01:21:30.240 it was more of a fun swoop in to kind of like, yeah.

01:21:34.720 Yeah.

01:21:34.880 Okay.

01:21:35.440 All right.

01:21:35.920 So there's, but there was a couple of swoops.

01:21:37.360 There was a couple of swoops, a couple of swoops.

01:21:39.440 I want to put the Nike logo on this one.

01:21:41.600 Oh, she's swoosh, swoosh, swoosh, swoosh, swoosh.

01:21:45.520 You know, it's funny.

01:21:46.240 You're talking about dating and I just back in those days.

01:21:49.360 And it just reminded me, you know, the American gladiator days.

01:21:51.840 And, you know, I know in the documentary on Netflix, uh, they call me a scoundrel, you know,

01:21:57.360 but the truth was when I look back at that time, you know, the one thing I hated was rejection.

01:22:05.440 So rarely did I go directly towards a girl like, Hey, you know, some guys had rap.

01:22:11.840 Lori had rap.

01:22:12.800 She had game for me.

01:22:13.840 It was more like, I just kind of hung, you know, hung out and saw who was giving me the

01:22:18.560 vibe because the worst thing for me at that time, and I don't know if people still suffer

01:22:23.840 from this was to walk over and say, you know, Hey, uh, Madison, you know, I think you're cute.

01:22:28.960 You know, hi, my, we, oh God, get a oof.

01:22:32.000 You know, that, that would have destroyed my ego.

01:22:35.040 So my dating style was just to kind of hang out and act cool.

01:22:39.040 Like, Hey, yo, you know, flip my hair a little bit back when I had a lot and then see like,

01:22:43.520 you know, who I could see, like kind of checking me out and, oh yeah, she's kind of looking at me.

01:22:47.680 And I would usually wait for the girl to make the first move, you know, to come up and approach

01:22:52.560 me because that felt safer, right?

01:22:54.880 That is still really present nowadays.

01:22:56.800 Like a lot of, oh, well, yeah, of course people, nobody likes to be scared to approach woman

01:23:01.040 because of rejection and things like that.

01:23:03.040 So it, it's still a thing.

01:23:04.720 Yeah.

01:23:04.960 Yeah.

01:23:05.200 Well, you know, you know what rejection it's, I, it's, um, I don't know, you know,

01:23:10.480 I've got friends who've got theories, you know, like, yeah, it's a numbers game.

01:23:14.880 You know, you just like your ask 200 women for sex old YouTube video, right?

01:23:19.600 Yep.

01:23:20.080 One is going to say, yes, eventually it's a numbers game.

01:23:22.240 And I've got friends who just, you know, hey, Mattis, you want to go out?

01:23:24.720 No.

01:23:24.880 Hey, Lori.

01:23:25.440 Hey, uh, Kiki, who's changed your name to Ashley Sinclair.

01:23:28.400 Do you want to go out?

01:23:29.120 You know, if they just, it's a numbers game for numbers game.

01:23:31.920 Yeah.

01:23:32.080 But isn't it the numbers game?

01:23:33.440 You have to have the thick skin as well, though.

01:23:35.120 Yeah.

01:23:35.440 You've got to have that thick skin.

01:23:36.800 You've got to be able to handle that.

01:23:38.560 No.

01:23:39.040 Yeah.

01:23:39.840 So I, I think, I think what I'm trying to say sometimes, if you see someone of the opposite

01:23:44.880 sex, that's really attractive and they're not coming up to you and they're not,

01:23:48.720 and you're like, oh, what's wrong with me?

01:23:50.400 I think sometimes it's the very attract, the attractive person who's actually kind of shy,

01:23:57.200 who's a little insecure.

01:23:59.360 The reason they're not, that's the reason they're not coming up to you.

01:24:02.000 It's not that there's anything wrong with you.

01:24:04.240 If I could go back, I would probably approach more women that I thought were attractive that

01:24:10.080 I was interested in.

01:24:10.880 Oh, uh, Mack Zack, thank you for the 20 gifted subs.

01:24:15.600 Thank you.

01:24:16.640 Sorry.

01:24:17.120 Continue.

01:24:17.680 Go on.

01:24:18.000 Yeah.

01:24:18.160 So I think that's, you know, if I could go coach myself, I would probably go and talk

01:24:25.600 to that girl that I was interested in instead of waiting for her to talk to me or having

01:24:31.040 a buddy saying, Hey dude, I think she digs you, you know, right?

01:24:33.840 Like, yeah, that would suck.

01:24:35.920 I feel like a lot of women too, like, don't really know how to approach men because they

01:24:40.940 expected, they expect, they don't have to, but they expect the men to approach them, which

01:24:46.880 is why they kind of have this shyness towards them because yeah.

01:24:51.140 Yeah.

01:24:51.240 But haven't things changed?

01:24:53.360 A little, a little bit.

01:24:54.800 Just, just a tiny bit.

01:24:56.240 I think it's honestly, uh, when it comes to approaching in real life, it's actually probably

01:25:04.240 why I think both men and women are approaching far less because you have dating apps.

01:25:08.900 So instead of doing this kind of scary thing of approaching a stranger in person and risking

01:25:15.160 that sort of like very upfront in your face kind of rejection, even if it's polite, it still

01:25:20.260 kind of stings a little bit.

01:25:21.620 Uh, people kind of are just falling back on dating apps.

01:25:24.820 It's like, okay, well it's less personal.

01:25:27.680 So if they just don't respond, it, you know, it's not, it's still maybe stings a little

01:25:33.420 bit, but I don't think I could do dating apps.

01:25:35.180 Have either of you ever been on dating apps?

01:25:37.800 No, I was, I was talking about that on the way up here.

01:25:40.260 I think that like the dating apps, the tenders and stuff like that, you know, it's like,

01:25:44.720 I don't know.

01:25:45.940 It's, are they serious?

01:25:48.360 Are they, are they, you know, are they going to put me in their basement and just kill me

01:25:53.420 or something?

01:25:53.840 And then it's like, well, you know, you, I feel like the thing is those, like everybody

01:25:58.440 you meet starts out as a stranger at some point, but if you meet them, if you meet them in

01:26:03.440 person, you can look in their eyes and most of the time you get a vibe, absolutely.

01:26:08.840 You can feel their energy.

01:26:10.140 You can feel who they are.

01:26:11.300 You can't do that online.

01:26:12.780 You can't do that on a dating app until you actually meet them.

01:26:16.000 And then it could be a little bit too late at that point in time.

01:26:18.440 With, with the dating apps, what I always did, I haven't used dating apps in like, I don't

01:26:22.840 know, a couple, a couple of weeks, six, a couple of days.

01:26:27.040 Yeah.

01:26:27.440 No, I think I, I, uh, well, I got, it's a long story, but I haven't used them in probably

01:26:31.940 eight months or something.

01:26:33.360 And, uh, I would always set up a phone call because at least with that, I would be able

01:26:38.400 to get a little, I know it's not as good as in person.

01:26:41.900 It's not as good as in person, but you can at least get them on the phone and get a, some

01:26:46.920 sense of, of, now you can do zoom, you can do them on zoom.

01:26:50.760 Yeah.

01:26:50.860 You could do that too.

01:26:51.880 A little bit.

01:26:52.380 Maybe.

01:26:52.860 I don't know.

01:26:53.320 So I kind of fantasize about having me dating apps.

01:26:57.780 You know, I, I look, I'm very committed to my girlfriend.

01:27:01.100 You would kill it on dating.

01:27:01.920 I would just, well, there was that series on Hulu, uh, was the guy, uh, Jesse Eisenberg

01:27:06.300 where he's a doctor in New York.

01:27:09.020 Um, this came out this year.

01:27:10.380 It was about a book anyway.

01:27:11.680 So he's a doctor surgeon in New York who grew up.

01:27:13.920 He was a nerd.

01:27:14.660 Now his wife, uh, she divorces him and, uh, now he's single for the first time and he's

01:27:21.300 a surgeon in New York and he's kind of cool and he goes on dating apps.

01:27:25.720 He's never been on a dating app and it's just like, oh, there's all these girls and they

01:27:31.500 all want to have sex.

01:27:33.060 And he just goes on this montage where, you know, he goes from one girl, the next to the

01:27:37.140 next to the next, cause his wife left him.

01:27:38.800 And yeah, I was kind of talking to that about my girl.

01:27:41.680 Is that your fantasy?

01:27:42.820 Well, I just, no, I mean, yes and no.

01:27:46.680 And just, you know, to do that.

01:27:48.740 And, and, you know, um, you know what we should do right now, just as an experiment.

01:27:53.360 No, you guys got your phones.

01:27:55.520 He's committed.

01:27:56.000 We'll download Tinder on both your phones.

01:27:58.280 And by the, you know, you set up a quick profile.

01:28:00.600 Well, no, no, no, not for not.

01:28:02.100 You wouldn't actually legitimately, for the sake of entertainment, set up a Tinder for you

01:28:06.760 guys just so you guys can see how it is motorcycle.

01:28:10.660 So that you guys can see how it is.

01:28:14.400 And, uh, you know, with the disclaimer to your significant others that there's, you know,

01:28:20.320 it's for purely entertainment purposes.

01:28:22.960 So, you know, it's for a social experiment, social experiment for the whatever, for the

01:28:26.940 whatever podcast it's, uh, but, uh, so there was a way that, okay.

01:28:31.740 We already covered the, uh, competition.

01:28:33.780 Um, do you guys, uh, prior to the Netflix doc, would you guys get recognized in public?

01:28:42.320 And then after the Netflix doc, would you guys be getting constantly recognized on public?

01:28:48.040 I want to answer for you, but the movie, the TV show on Hulu is Fleischman's in trouble with

01:28:54.520 Claire Danes and Jesse, uh, Eisenberg.

01:28:57.080 Haven't seen it.

01:28:57.800 The guy from social network.

01:28:58.980 I will say though, that's, that's kind of why dating apps work to a detriment in these

01:29:03.420 days.

01:29:03.660 Cause a lot of people are going on there to find like, um, long-term relationships, but

01:29:09.480 also a lot of people on dating apps are just looking for sex.

01:29:13.000 So it's really hard for some people to find what they want on there.

01:29:15.940 I mean, cause I mean, isn't it very like specific in the very beginning?

01:29:20.960 This is what I'm looking for.

01:29:22.760 I'm not sure.

01:29:23.580 I've never been on dating apps, but can you, can you put that?

01:29:26.460 She doesn't need to.

01:29:27.460 I mean, you can, but like actually something that you mentioned in the book, Dan is, uh,

01:29:32.060 you know, there there's, you were, let me see if I have the notes on it.

01:29:36.780 Basically there was a girl who, I think it was Angie and, uh, wait, it's an Angie.

01:29:43.800 Hold on.

01:29:44.720 I don't remember.

01:29:45.880 Uh, and she said that she wasn't into hooking up and you said in the book, and this is something

01:29:50.800 we see on dating apps, people in dating apps will say not looking for a hookup.

01:29:54.040 And usually that's actually an indicator that they're pretty down to hookup, you know, not

01:29:59.080 always, not always, but, or, or it could mean that they've recently frequently engaged in

01:30:06.060 the hookups, but maybe they got ghosted or the guide didn't text them back, called them

01:30:10.520 back.

01:30:11.080 What's your point, Brian?

01:30:12.460 Where am I going?

01:30:13.240 Well, uh, Lori was, uh, saying, well, you could kind of lay that out in the beginning

01:30:21.580 while I'm looking for a relationship.

01:30:23.280 And, uh, I think, uh, I think that, well, I think the thing is, is that, uh, it depends

01:30:29.640 which dating app you're on.

01:30:30.800 If you're on Tinder, I feel like that's more so typically geared towards hookup.

01:30:35.860 You have Bumble, which is the one where women have to message first, at least if it's, uh,

01:30:40.600 you know, guys, girls, uh, then there's hinge, which I think is a bit more relationship

01:30:44.820 geared, but, uh, I don't know.

01:30:47.360 Damn, he knows them all.

01:30:48.980 I didn't know that.

01:30:50.060 I didn't even, I thought they were all just dating.

01:30:53.220 If you guys need advice, if you guys are ever single again, I'll be happy to give you a

01:30:56.860 rundown on the appropriate dating apps.

01:30:58.740 I mean, you, you date women, so is there, you know, I don't, I think that, yes, of course

01:31:02.900 there's gotta be dating apps for girls, but at the same time, I think a lot of them are

01:31:06.980 like, just looking for that nice long walk on the beach.

01:31:10.920 Fuck that.

01:31:12.000 You're not, you're not a walk on the beach type of.

01:31:14.320 No, I am.

01:31:15.060 I totally am.

01:31:15.920 So what would your dating app say?

01:31:18.360 You know, like I'm looking for.

01:31:19.940 What's your profile?

01:31:20.320 No, it's like, if I'm going to be on a dating app, I would never be on a dating app because

01:31:23.820 I don't feel like I would have to be on a dating app.

01:31:25.740 Okay.

01:31:25.880 Let's just pretend like you are in a dating app.

01:31:27.820 I want to know what your profile, I want her to lift.

01:31:30.260 She's got.

01:31:30.680 No, no, no, no, no, no, I don't, I'm not into that.

01:31:33.520 But you want someone who exercises.

01:31:35.160 I do.

01:31:35.420 Absolutely.

01:31:35.860 I want somebody who's fit, you know, because that's, that's me and that's what I'm into.

01:31:40.640 So of course.

01:31:41.360 Fit but feminine.

01:31:42.320 What?

01:31:43.140 Fit but feminine.

01:31:44.360 Fit but feminine.

01:31:45.160 I like that.

01:31:46.340 It wouldn't be, I'm looking for somebody to walk on the beach, listen to music, because

01:31:52.140 that to me is kind of like, okay, I'm looking to have some fun.

01:31:55.620 Absolutely.

01:31:56.800 Travel, have good communication, but I'm not dead yet.

01:32:01.440 I, you know, we're, we're hooking up.

01:32:03.520 We're having sex.

01:32:05.420 You know, it's, it's, and that's what most lesbians are actually, by the time they hit

01:32:10.380 an older age, they're not into it.

01:32:12.980 They're just not.

01:32:13.760 They're not into sex.

01:32:14.420 They're not.

01:32:15.520 They've already lost their testosterone.

01:32:17.340 They're, they're on the, they're on the down slide of shit.

01:32:20.480 But, you know, what does one do when you're an older lesbian, you lose your testosterone

01:32:24.960 or older women?

01:32:26.040 I don't know.

01:32:26.160 I haven't lost mine.

01:32:26.940 I actually, I'm saying a straight woman.

01:32:28.800 When you start to reach a certain thing, when you start to lose your testosterone, what do

01:32:32.160 you do?

01:32:32.980 You take care of the house.

01:32:33.780 Are you talking lesbians or talking just girls in general?

01:32:36.400 Women in general.

01:32:37.540 Women in general.

01:32:38.420 I mean, think about it.

01:32:39.440 It's, it's, they're taking care of the household.

01:32:41.720 They're taking care of the children.

01:32:42.780 They're raising the children for the next generation is what they're doing.

01:32:46.500 That's kind of, that's kind of like a picturing a patriarchal society.

01:32:50.420 No, it's not.

01:32:51.140 It's an unclear view of what we see.

01:32:52.740 No, it's not.

01:32:53.420 It's when their testosterone drops, you tell me, I mean, we were just talking about this

01:32:57.580 before we came in.

01:32:58.720 What did you do?

01:33:00.460 I've always taken testosterone.

01:33:02.380 Not you.

01:33:02.700 Oh, I've always taken testosterone.

01:33:03.920 I love it.

01:33:04.460 Not you, your girlfriends.

01:33:07.740 Or are they listening right now?

01:33:09.260 Why are they listening right now?

01:33:10.400 Okay, sorry.

01:33:10.960 Wait, girlfriends, plural?

01:33:12.080 Sorry.

01:33:12.980 Plural?

01:33:13.760 No, one.

01:33:14.500 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:15.420 Don't write that down, Brian.

01:33:16.620 No, he's writing shit down.

01:33:18.100 What's with it writing down?

01:33:19.200 I just got notes, I got some notes, but.

01:33:21.800 There's no more body count here.

01:33:23.060 There's only, the body count is one now.

01:33:24.440 Oh, okay.

01:33:25.200 You're a semi-born again virgin, but you recently lost it.

01:33:29.580 You should be able to like to subtract from your body count, right?

01:33:32.600 Subtract from the body count.

01:33:33.360 So let's say you're a body.

01:33:34.180 How do you do that?

01:33:34.940 Wait, hold on.

01:33:35.440 Is this like the Ferris Bueller, you know, where they try to, they put the brick on the

01:33:40.820 reverse pedal and they run the car on reverse.

01:33:44.300 It's more like hot tub time machine.

01:33:45.820 Reduce these, the, like lower the odometer or whatever, speedometer.

01:33:50.020 Oh, that's funny.

01:33:50.680 That thing when it's in his garage.

01:33:52.080 In Ferris Bueller, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:33:53.040 That's fantastic.

01:33:53.780 Well, no, but let's say, let's say you're, let's say my body count is 12.

01:33:58.240 Okay.

01:33:59.500 And.

01:34:00.500 Multiply it by three and that's the real number.

01:34:02.740 It's probably more.

01:34:03.800 It's probably more than that.

01:34:04.980 Come on.

01:34:05.700 You don't even know me.

01:34:06.660 Times five, times five.

01:34:07.480 You don't even know me.

01:34:08.720 100, 100, 100.

01:34:10.060 So let's say your body count is whatever it is.

01:34:12.800 You lost track.

01:34:13.340 Let's say it's 30.

01:34:14.860 Sure.

01:34:15.120 Okay.

01:34:15.500 And you know, that's a lot.

01:34:17.080 Yeah.

01:34:17.640 For.

01:34:18.560 Not really.

01:34:19.020 Are you over 30?

01:34:19.780 Is your body count over 30?

01:34:20.880 No comment.

01:34:21.940 I'm a man of God.

01:34:23.680 Madison.

01:34:24.960 No comment.

01:34:26.100 Wait, say it.

01:34:26.740 She's not over.

01:34:27.600 Madison, you've already revealed it.

01:34:28.920 You revealed it before.

01:34:30.160 I don't really know.

01:34:31.080 Do I want to get into this right now?

01:34:32.800 Just for a second.

01:34:33.260 Go.

01:34:33.460 I need to hear my daughter speak.

01:34:35.420 Now we're having to come to, come to Jesus.

01:34:37.640 What, what, what is it?

01:34:39.320 Eight.

01:34:39.980 Eight.

01:34:41.200 Are you disappointed in your daughter?

01:34:43.340 Eight.

01:34:45.920 Eight.

01:34:47.520 Sweetheart, you're just.

01:34:48.600 He's going to get the belt.

01:34:49.300 She's just starting out.

01:34:50.200 There's like a whole backstory I can get into it, but I'm not going to trauma dump right

01:34:55.160 now.

01:34:55.420 You know, you know.

01:34:56.200 Are you disappointed with eight or are you just kind of like surprised at eight?

01:34:59.240 A lot of people are disappointed by eight.

01:35:01.800 I wanted to say sorry to my father.

01:35:03.760 I've never revealed this to my father before, so.

01:35:06.880 Eight.

01:35:07.120 Wow.

01:35:07.480 I guess the eight don't hate.

01:35:09.780 Eight don't hate?

01:35:10.680 Yeah.

01:35:10.980 Eight don't hate.

01:35:11.540 I can't hate over the eight.

01:35:12.480 What is your body count?

01:35:14.040 Do you remember?

01:35:14.780 Do you even know?

01:35:15.660 Do you know?

01:35:16.480 I don't think he knows.

01:35:17.240 Yeah.

01:35:17.480 It's very brave of you to say that, Madison, and I appreciate your courage.

01:35:20.580 He's skipping the question.

01:35:21.360 To come and say that in front of 5 million subscribers.

01:35:25.720 3.5.

01:35:26.100 4.2.

01:35:26.760 4.2.

01:35:27.140 But who's counting?

01:35:28.540 Well, obviously you are.

01:35:30.580 4.2.

01:35:31.040 4.2.

01:35:31.380 4.2.

01:35:31.780 But I don't, I, you know, to come out and say that today because, you know, I think there's

01:35:35.520 a lot of people who judge.

01:35:37.080 Yeah.

01:35:37.300 Right.

01:35:37.460 And to come out and say that I think is a beautiful thing and it shows me that you're

01:35:40.760 very comfortable in your skin and what you've done and who you are and I'm very proud of

01:35:44.240 you.

01:35:44.660 Thank you.

01:35:45.180 I appreciate it.

01:35:45.760 You think that's a lot?

01:35:46.200 You're proud of her.

01:35:47.060 Wait, so you think that's a lot?

01:35:48.240 No.

01:35:48.380 No, no.

01:35:48.800 Not a lot or not a little.

01:35:49.920 He's saying I'm brave for coming out here.

01:35:51.200 I'm just proud of you for coming out and being vulnerable and saying that and saying,

01:35:53.700 hey, this is me.

01:35:54.160 I'm not going to lie about it.

01:35:55.760 Yeah, this is.

01:35:56.240 That's the thing.

01:35:56.660 I'm, I, I will always say, I will always say I'm not going to make any excuses for

01:36:01.720 that because that I cannot change anything about that.

01:36:04.540 And why would you want to?

01:36:05.920 To enjoy yourself, you don't need to make an excuse.

01:36:06.440 It's who you are.

01:36:07.640 Like as I've gotten older, I've developed more values and morals and like I know who I am

01:36:13.500 for myself.

01:36:14.240 Oh, my son, your mic.

01:36:14.720 Here, move these.

01:36:15.620 What?

01:36:17.040 You have the mics.

01:36:19.020 What?

01:36:19.460 It's covering your face a bit.

01:36:20.600 It's covering your face.

01:36:21.140 You're just not talking straight into it.

01:36:22.040 Well, you know what?

01:36:22.580 I think it's Freudian, right?

01:36:24.260 She's doing subconscious, so she's hiding.

01:36:26.960 Yes.

01:36:28.140 Oh, sorry.

01:36:29.340 I, I won't hide anymore.

01:36:31.320 But yeah, I will always just say like I will never make excuses for myself.

01:36:35.260 I fully take accountability for like my past and things that I've done, but I have eight.

01:36:40.540 I have a boyfriend right now who I'm very, very happily with and committed to, but it's

01:36:46.800 eight.

01:36:47.060 It's, it's going to be eight for the rest of my life.

01:36:48.880 When I'm 60 year old, it's going to be eight too.

01:36:50.920 So that's just your answer.

01:36:53.440 It's not even real.

01:36:54.680 No.

01:36:55.480 How's it going to be eight when you're 60?

01:36:57.500 She's saying her current boyfriend is going to be the last one.

01:37:00.900 That's the last one.

01:37:01.680 Oh, that's so naive.

01:37:03.220 Oh, wow.

01:37:03.960 Oh, okay.

01:37:04.560 All right.

01:37:05.040 Oh, that's so cute.

01:37:06.880 That's cute.

01:37:07.800 Because that's what we thought when we were 18.

01:37:09.700 Uh-oh.

01:37:09.980 Really?

01:37:10.500 Yeah, absolutely.

01:37:11.820 Sorry, Frankie.

01:37:12.540 When you're growing up, you think this is the one, this is the one the rest of my life.

01:37:17.280 And then that one breaks your heart and then you move on.

01:37:19.620 In a way, I like growing up, I was like forced into maturity, I would say.

01:37:24.200 Like, I feel like I've already grown up.

01:37:26.320 I know I'm 18, but I feel like a little older than I already am.

01:37:30.780 And I feel like, I don't know, when you know, you know.

01:37:33.480 Okay.

01:37:33.960 Yeah, when you know, you know.

01:37:35.660 And I fully believe you when you tell me that, that this in your mind will be the last

01:37:41.060 man.

01:37:41.360 And maybe it will or won't.

01:37:42.360 It doesn't matter.

01:37:43.320 But someone who's gone through the experience of, you know, oh, I know.

01:37:49.140 And you know until you don't know.

01:37:51.760 And there's a possibility that it could change.

01:37:53.840 But again, just to go back, I want to commend you on your courage to come out and talk openly

01:37:57.120 about your, you know, past sexual experiences.

01:37:59.540 Because a lot of people wouldn't do that.

01:38:00.900 I feel like there's a lot of people in the situation that I am too that do get, like,

01:38:05.480 judged very often for their body count.

01:38:07.400 Because it matters, like, a lot nowadays in modern day society.

01:38:11.860 Because, would you like to explain why body count matters, guys?

01:38:14.660 Why does a body count count?

01:38:16.020 Should we get into it?

01:38:16.880 Why does it count?

01:38:18.640 Men seek purity whenever finding a woman.

01:38:21.680 And that's mainly the reason why I feel like body count matters.

01:38:25.340 Right, Brian?

01:38:26.280 I mean, there's, I wasn't anticipating diving into body count.

01:38:30.460 But, I mean, I think there's something to be said.

01:38:32.860 One, obviously, the more sexual partners you've had, there's a higher risk of having an STD.

01:38:37.100 That's one component.

01:38:38.700 Certainly, it could be the case if you've had 100 previous sexual partners.

01:38:41.860 You lucked out.

01:38:43.260 You rolled the dice and you didn't.

01:38:45.820 Although you can be careful.

01:38:47.980 You can.

01:38:48.660 You can.

01:38:49.320 However, I would say even if you are using protection, there are certain, like, STDs that can, like,

01:38:55.500 if you've got herpes or something, like.

01:38:57.320 Just bust right through the rubber?

01:38:58.580 Well, if it's, like, depending on where it is on the person, if it's, like, on, you know, a condom doesn't necessarily preclude the spread of STDs.

01:39:11.280 But, so there's that.

01:39:12.960 I think there's something to do.

01:39:14.160 There's certainly something to be said about pair bonding.

01:39:17.100 The more sexual partners you've had.

01:39:19.520 I, my view is that it's, as you accrue more sexual partners, it becomes harder to bond with subsequent partners.

01:39:30.300 I disagree.

01:39:31.680 That's fine.

01:39:33.560 Yeah.

01:39:35.860 You know, we live longer lives.

01:39:37.620 Mm-hmm.

01:39:38.080 Right?

01:39:38.480 So, I think people in their 20s now, I think some of the people who study gerontology believe that the average age would be 120 years.

01:39:46.200 Right?

01:39:46.680 That you're going to live to.

01:39:47.440 So, you're 18.

01:39:49.840 So, you've got another 102 years.

01:39:53.200 Right?

01:39:53.480 So, the idea of, you know, being labeled or categorized by the number of sexual partners is going to determine how good of a spouse or mate you're going to be, I think, is ridiculous.

01:40:06.640 For me, that's from my own point of view.

01:40:08.260 I think that's ridiculous.

01:40:09.640 I will agree on that part.

01:40:10.780 Um, now, okay, is there a context where if it starts getting in the hundreds to the 200s?

01:40:19.420 Well, there's a scale to it.

01:40:20.420 Yeah, there's a scale.

01:40:21.340 There's a scale to it.

01:40:22.800 I could maybe understand that.

01:40:25.160 But, you know, just because someone has a lot of partners when they're younger doesn't mean to me that they're going to be a bad partner later.

01:40:35.740 They may be a bad partner for you if that's your preference.

01:40:39.520 And if that's how you judge that, and that's 100% valid.

01:40:43.880 But to go out and say that they may have harder times bonding with people in a general statement, I find it harder to believe.

01:40:52.860 And a lot of times people have difficulties bonding because they don't understand what intimacy looks like.

01:40:59.120 And that usually comes down from the parental figures.

01:41:02.540 So, you don't understand intimacy.

01:41:04.620 So, you think sex is intimacy.

01:41:06.980 And then eventually you learn that intimacy is not only sexual, but it's having the vulnerability to open up and, you know, have a conversation.

01:41:16.460 To let them see your emotional truth and your emotional self.

01:41:19.720 So, a lot of talk I hear is that, oh, men are afraid to be vulnerable.

01:41:22.980 I don't know if men are afraid to be vulnerable.

01:41:26.000 Oh, hold on.

01:41:26.720 Loose pussy energy donated $69.

01:41:29.900 Maddie's got eight bodies with eight back shotties.

01:41:33.160 That's got more bodies than John Gotti's.

01:41:35.460 We opened up a can of worms here.

01:41:35.980 She thinks about it on the dailies and brought great shame to her families.

01:41:40.280 The future is crazies.

01:41:42.380 Change your ways, ladies.

01:41:44.760 That's what you think, but you don't really know me in real life.

01:41:47.540 Oh, all right.

01:41:48.440 Shots fired.

01:41:49.460 Shots fired.

01:41:49.980 LPE, thank you for the TTS.

01:41:51.780 There's something that sticks out in my mind, and it's off subject, but it was Rose McGowan.

01:41:56.440 McGowan, is that her name?

01:41:57.580 Rose McGowan.

01:41:58.320 McGowan, the Me Too, started the Me Too movement.

01:42:00.500 And there was a video I saw of her, and the commentator was asking her these questions.

01:42:07.120 You know, these people you're speaking against, you know, they're very powerful.

01:42:11.200 And she looks right at the guy and says, so am I.

01:42:14.580 And in that moment, I was like, oh, my God, I love her because she's comfortable in her skin.

01:42:21.500 So I think when you're comfortable in your skin, I think there's a certain attractiveness because a lot of times what we're missing right now is authenticity.

01:42:29.600 We're missing authenticity.

01:42:31.120 People want to put this life up on social media.

01:42:33.380 And then you meet the person like, oh, my God, you're nothing like that person who's always happy, who's always having fun.

01:42:39.980 So I think the authenticity, which you just shared through your vulnerability, I think makes you a gem.

01:42:45.840 Thank you.

01:42:46.720 I really appreciate that.

01:42:47.960 Oh, wow.

01:42:48.520 Okay.

01:42:49.440 There you have it.

01:42:50.340 Some fatherly advice.

01:42:53.380 Do we continue on the body count?

01:42:55.160 I mean, I have more if you want to hear more.

01:42:57.260 Oh, let's move on.

01:42:59.680 Up to you, Brian.

01:43:00.780 It's up to you, Brian.

01:43:01.420 Because I kind of said my piece and it was contrary to yours.

01:43:04.900 Sure, sure.

01:43:05.500 If you want to talk, if you feel the need to.

01:43:07.440 Yeah.

01:43:07.620 Well, I think when it comes to body count, the way I kind of view it is like I, me personally, I don't want to date somebody who either currently is or was promiscuous.

01:43:18.800 So I think having a high body count is proxy for promiscuity or not necessarily.

01:43:27.980 But if you've had 40, 50 previous sexual partners, I mean, to me, I mean, there's also just sort of an innate, like, if you've had a lot of sexual partners, a girl, for example, that I'm interested in dating.

01:43:45.560 It's kind of, like, on this visceral level, I find it a bit gross.

01:43:52.700 If they, before me, they've slept with 50 dudes, you know, 100 dudes, I would find that a bit repulsive.

01:43:58.520 I also think that there's a higher likelihood of infidelity.

01:44:03.780 I mean, they've done some studies on this.

01:44:05.220 The more previous sexual partners you've had, the greater likelihood of infidelity, greater likelihood of reporting relationship and marriage dissatisfaction, greater likelihood of divorce.

01:44:15.480 So, you know, it's interesting.

01:44:17.620 Let me ask.

01:44:18.200 I want to ask you something, though.

01:44:19.580 Okay.

01:44:19.780 Let me ask you this.

01:44:20.780 You meet a girl.

01:44:21.860 Sure.

01:44:22.800 You fall in love with her.

01:44:23.900 Yep.

01:44:25.140 Okay.

01:44:26.080 And she knows this about you.

01:44:28.140 Knows.

01:44:28.740 She knows how you feel about having a high body count.

01:44:32.380 Yeah.

01:44:32.920 So she's not going to be honest with you.

01:44:35.060 Well, I hope she would be.

01:44:36.080 She's not going to be.

01:44:37.020 I hope she wouldn't.

01:44:37.560 She's not going to be because she knows how you feel about it.

01:44:40.880 And she's in love with you and you're in love with her.

01:44:44.200 Now, all of a sudden, later on.

01:44:46.620 Oh, I find out.

01:44:47.560 Yeah.

01:44:47.820 What do I do?

01:44:48.780 Right.

01:44:50.160 Would that change the game?

01:44:51.660 Sure.

01:44:51.800 No, it's a very honest question.

01:44:53.680 It's over.

01:44:54.860 It's over?

01:44:55.780 It's done.

01:44:56.420 Really?

01:44:56.740 You're in love with this girl?

01:44:58.000 Let's say, yeah, we're engaged fiance.

01:45:01.440 Wow.

01:45:02.060 I'm calling off the wedding.

01:45:02.700 That to me is shallow as shit.

01:45:04.200 I don't think it's shallow.

01:45:05.020 I think it's totally shallow because you're in love with this girl.

01:45:07.740 Well, but he values truth.

01:45:08.900 Yeah, but the point is.

01:45:10.880 Yeah, he values truth.

01:45:11.620 She lied.

01:45:12.080 She lied because she knows how you feel and she was in love with you and you fell in love with her.

01:45:16.740 Well, she shouldn't have lied.

01:45:17.940 And just because she slept with more men that you didn't feel comfortable with.

01:45:23.080 I mean, is that as you're judging, but we all judging.

01:45:28.460 Well, I am judging, but we all make sort of discernments when it comes to the types of people that we're going to partner with.

01:45:34.020 I mean, we all make judgments.

01:45:36.260 I think that if I found my girlfriend had over 100 body count and it was 200, I really wouldn't give a shit.

01:45:43.300 Yeah, some people don't care.

01:45:44.420 Because she's in love with me right now.

01:45:46.620 Sure.

01:45:47.180 And it's our life together.

01:45:48.660 And we've been together for 13 years.

01:45:50.480 But am I going to throw the towel in?

01:45:52.920 No.

01:45:53.360 And look, everyone's entitled to having their different preferences, standards, and boundaries.

01:45:56.720 I think for you personally, if it doesn't bother you, then I think that's totally fine.

01:46:02.640 For me, I just think it's a difference of values when it comes to sex and when it comes to, it would be, I guess it would be almost a compatibility thing.

01:46:13.300 It would be a difference of values.

01:46:15.280 And it's just, we always, both men and women, want to pick the optimum partner.

01:46:19.020 And I do think if you've had a promiscuous past, that is sort of a, in my view, again, my own personal view, some people don't think this way, other people do.

01:46:31.900 It's, I think it's a negative mark on you.

01:46:35.580 And you're a man of God, correct?

01:46:37.940 I mean, yeah.

01:46:39.720 I like the quotes.

01:46:40.700 Yeah, you know, I'm a man of God.

01:46:42.520 You're judging.

01:46:43.660 But we all make judgments.

01:46:45.300 You shouldn't.

01:46:45.920 Not if you're a man of God.

01:46:47.180 But, for example, I mean, you said that you don't date, you don't date women who are, who are muscular, for example.

01:46:53.480 That's just my preference.

01:46:54.820 But this is also, but this is also a preference for me.

01:46:56.640 But it's a visual preference.

01:46:58.500 But couldn't you make the argument that someone's behavioral characteristics is more important than just their, how they present visually?

01:47:09.020 Because, like, when it comes to your sexual activity in the past, that's, like, something to do with your behavior.

01:47:15.820 True.

01:47:16.180 But it's not always in such a specific way that you think it is.

01:47:22.660 What do you mean?

01:47:22.980 You know what I mean?

01:47:24.080 Like, I don't want to, I'm just going to tell my story with it.

01:47:28.600 Okay, all right.

01:47:29.120 So, my story, I obviously, once again, I'm not making any excuses.

01:47:34.320 I'm just sharing my experience through what happened.

01:47:37.860 But growing up, I feel like I was very sucked into this whole modern society thing.

01:47:46.160 You had to do it because it was cool.

01:47:48.780 You had to do it because your friends were doing it.

01:47:50.600 If you didn't do it, like, you were ugly.

01:47:52.760 Just, like, simply for, like, male validation, basically.

01:47:56.080 And that's kind of why.

01:47:59.360 But once I, like, grew up, once I got older, I, like I said earlier, I developed better morals and values for myself.

01:48:07.760 Sorry.

01:48:08.320 Especially, like, sexually.

01:48:11.600 And I didn't really know that until I met my current boyfriend now.

01:48:15.060 Who kind of had to teach me those things because I didn't have anyone to teach me those things.

01:48:18.480 Victage donated $69.

01:48:19.840 I'm trans, biologically female, virgin, and raised by a Republican father.

01:48:26.540 I think body count needs a more nuanced view.

01:48:29.660 Michael Knowles was promiscuous in his past.

01:48:32.200 Was he?

01:48:33.000 I don't think he was.

01:48:34.340 Women can change, too.

01:48:35.800 In short, case-by-case basis.

01:48:38.340 Okay, well, Victor, thank you for the TTS.

01:48:40.960 Appreciate it.

01:48:43.260 And I'm not saying I changed, but I definitely developed and, you know, I definitely grew.

01:48:47.980 And I, like I said, growing up, I didn't really have anyone to tell me, like, the true value of sex until I met my boyfriend who kind of shared that with me.

01:48:58.540 So you did, you have changed, though.

01:49:00.820 Just like, I mean, again, yes, people grow.

01:49:05.180 People change.

01:49:06.860 That's what part, that's what life is, is about growing.

01:49:09.120 If you're not growing, you're dying.

01:49:10.540 Well, I think, look, I think, Brian, you know, look, you know, the great thing about today, this country, us, is you can have your preference.

01:49:17.820 Sure, yeah.

01:49:18.720 When I was younger, I felt the same way.

01:49:22.660 And I read this interesting study recently, how many adult men are satisfied with their sex life?

01:49:32.260 How many adult men?

01:49:32.840 And it was, like, horrendously low.

01:49:35.340 It was, like, you know, like, 22% were satisfied with their sex life because men, in general, they do not marry their best and favorite sexual partner.

01:49:51.280 They usually marry someone they want to be the mother of their child.

01:49:55.180 And they put different values upon who they want to raise their children than who they want to hang and bang with, right?

01:50:03.500 But then down the road, what that will lead to a lot of times is, like, oh, God, I love her.

01:50:07.980 She's a good mom, but the sex just isn't great.

01:50:10.420 And so it's...

01:50:11.180 I think you can work on that, though.

01:50:13.080 Do you?

01:50:13.280 Like, if you really care.

01:50:14.200 Yeah.

01:50:14.400 I like that.

01:50:14.960 Do you?

01:50:15.500 Do you?

01:50:16.300 Yes.

01:50:16.540 Can you?

01:50:17.600 Absolutely.

01:50:18.180 Do you?

01:50:18.720 Is it really?

01:50:19.780 Oh, God.

01:50:20.160 Son.

01:50:20.720 Son.

01:50:21.000 I mean...

01:50:21.560 Son.

01:50:22.840 Son.

01:50:23.280 No, you can...

01:50:24.140 I do think you can work with each other to make your sex life better.

01:50:25.920 Like, if you communicate with your partner.

01:50:27.640 Yeah.

01:50:27.920 I mean, if they're really close-minded...

01:50:29.180 What's the longest you've been with somebody?

01:50:30.760 Five years.

01:50:31.760 Okay.

01:50:32.180 Yeah.

01:50:32.480 So you know what I'm talking about.

01:50:33.760 What do you mean?

01:50:34.780 You know about the dip.

01:50:35.960 Do you get bored?

01:50:36.780 No, he doesn't yet.

01:50:37.760 No, he doesn't yet.

01:50:38.420 He doesn't know it yet.

01:50:39.260 You don't know about the dip?

01:50:39.900 The dip comes in about seven years.

01:50:41.500 Oh, okay, okay.

01:50:42.140 I'm still working on it.

01:50:43.380 I'll get to seven years.

01:50:44.300 Seven to ten.

01:50:45.300 Well, I mean, certainly I think, like, there's a certain excitement when you're first with

01:50:50.400 somebody and it's new.

01:50:52.680 And certainly things maybe slow down a little bit.

01:50:55.420 But, I mean, I think if you communicate with your partner...

01:51:00.320 Spice it up.

01:51:01.580 What are you talking about?

01:51:02.600 No, it's just funny.

01:51:03.700 Now start adding kids into the equation.

01:51:05.500 You got to take the little kid.

01:51:06.960 Little Johnny's got to go to practice.

01:51:08.800 Little Lucy's got to do this.

01:51:10.140 And you take the kids into it.

01:51:11.460 You take your working full-time to make a living.

01:51:13.340 You got to take care of those kids and are not working.

01:51:16.740 You put all this into your life and like...

01:51:18.560 And then you put the finances in it.

01:51:19.980 You got to pay the bills.

01:51:20.660 You got to put your kids through private school.

01:51:22.980 And then you have to fight for sex.

01:51:27.940 Not fight for it, but you have to fight to find time to have good sex.

01:51:34.820 You have to fight for time when the kids are asleep.

01:51:38.200 Are they sleeping, honey?

01:51:39.180 I don't know.

01:51:39.580 Go check.

01:51:39.940 Close the door.

01:51:40.360 No, we can't.

01:51:41.000 The kids are on the way.

01:51:41.560 And then you don't want to plan it because if you plan it, the spontaneity is totally gone.

01:51:45.720 So are you arguing that I should, in order to have a fantastic sex life with my future long-term partner?

01:51:54.000 Well, here's what I'm arguing.

01:51:55.040 She ought to have a high body count.

01:51:56.640 Is that what we're arguing?

01:51:57.180 No, no.

01:51:57.200 Take the words fantastic sex life long relationship out.

01:52:01.660 Just take it out.

01:52:03.200 I mean, it's a dream.

01:52:04.540 It's a dream.

01:52:05.380 It's hard because remember, you're not going to marry your best sexual partner.

01:52:08.020 You're going to marry someone who's got these matrimal qualities that you can count on, that that's not that experience, that probably hasn't been with, you know, anybody who's going to rival you in bed because we don't want you to be insecure about that.

01:52:19.700 It's not about insecurity, though.

01:52:21.680 Well, it's not.

01:52:22.300 It's not about insecurity.

01:52:23.340 But, I mean, okay, so there is this concept, though.

01:52:29.280 Or dirtying your woman with their bodily fluids.

01:52:34.340 I mean, but, like, okay, let me ask you a question.

01:52:36.300 Let me ask you a question, Dan.

01:52:37.460 Okay, so, okay, we're getting into the juicy stuff here.

01:52:40.640 So would you not feel a little bit, and it's not even coming from a place of insecurity, but let's say you were about to sleep.

01:52:49.100 I know you're in a seven-year relationship.

01:52:50.520 Let's say you weren't in a seven-year relationship.

01:52:52.760 You're with a new girl, and you find out, obviously, it's your first time being intimate together, and, you know, maybe there's not an understanding between you two when it comes to any sort of commitment, right?

01:53:05.720 Because you just started dating.

01:53:07.680 You wouldn't find it a bit, you wouldn't take pause if she had slept with a guy the night before she sleeps with you?

01:53:15.080 I don't think he'd ask.

01:53:16.240 If it's a hookup, no, you don't ask.

01:53:20.760 It's none of your business.

01:53:21.640 No more than it is hers to ask you.

01:53:23.780 You just hope they're showered.

01:53:25.780 You know what I mean?

01:53:26.740 No, no, no.

01:53:27.360 I mean, we're talking hookup.

01:53:28.820 Okay.

01:53:29.160 We're talking hookup.

01:53:29.960 If I'm dating a girl, and I'm interested in her, and we think we have a thing, but it's not official, you know, I will say this.

01:53:39.520 When I was younger, I cared a lot more.

01:53:42.080 Based.

01:53:42.700 Yeah.

01:53:43.040 That's good.

01:53:43.580 That's good.

01:53:44.260 No, when I was younger, you know, like, oh, she can't sleep with this many people.

01:53:48.740 I had more rules.

01:53:49.860 Yeah.

01:53:50.280 I had more rules, and I thought what was.

01:53:51.920 That was smart.

01:53:52.460 That was smart.

01:53:53.040 Yeah.

01:53:53.720 Yeah, but as you get older, those rules go away.

01:53:55.920 Yeah.

01:53:56.660 Bring it back.

01:53:57.420 No, I said I had more rules.

01:53:58.800 You can't.

01:53:58.820 I had more rules, you know.

01:53:59.760 Yeah.

01:53:59.900 She's got to do this.

01:54:00.740 She's got to do that.

01:54:01.700 You know, she has to be this, you know, like this body count.

01:54:06.140 Sure.

01:54:07.040 But, you know, as you get older, you just want someone who's great.

01:54:11.940 You just want someone who you can count on.

01:54:14.720 You want someone who's loyal that's going to be there.

01:54:17.080 You want someone that you get along with.

01:54:19.300 You know, you want someone who has kind of similar values.

01:54:22.800 You know, the body count becomes such a, for me, an unimportant thing.

01:54:28.960 Very irrelevant.

01:54:30.180 Now, look, if she was at, you know, 500, 1,000, yeah.

01:54:33.660 But, you know, if it's 10, if it's 40, I.

01:54:36.800 So, in other words, he's saying he's not going to date a porn star.

01:54:39.340 No, I've done that.

01:54:40.620 Okay.

01:54:41.240 But you dated, but you didn't, like, it was.

01:54:43.580 I wasn't married.

01:54:44.660 I wasn't marrying anybody.

01:54:45.300 It was just more of a hookup.

01:54:46.620 It was.

01:54:47.080 It was.

01:54:47.460 Well, yeah, you said they were broken.

01:54:48.860 It was dated.

01:54:49.700 Yeah.

01:54:49.840 In your book.

01:54:51.000 You know, I found that most porn stars and strippers have some kind of brokenness in them.

01:54:56.200 Yeah.

01:54:56.500 You know, but maybe that's not fair for me to judge and say that.

01:55:00.040 Sure.

01:55:00.240 Um, you know, cause I know I can speak for myself.

01:55:04.400 I had a brokenness in me.

01:55:05.960 You know, I, I saw what my dad did when I was 10 years old.

01:55:10.180 Um, I was coming back from Asia.

01:55:12.240 My dad and I were together at the hotel and, um, I'm 10 and he says to me, he said, you read

01:55:20.820 the book.

01:55:21.180 He said this.

01:55:21.720 Yeah.

01:55:21.980 He goes to the bar at the airport the night before and he gets two prostitutes.

01:55:26.000 I'm 10 years old.

01:55:27.720 We're walking to the hotel and he's got the two prostitutes with him.

01:55:31.280 And he looks at me and says, Hey, do you want one?

01:55:33.600 Yikes.

01:55:34.340 I'm 10.

01:55:35.180 That's yikes.

01:55:36.080 You know, I hadn't even reached puberty.

01:55:38.920 We go in the room.

01:55:40.500 It's a one bedroom.

01:55:41.980 It's a one bedroom, one bed.

01:55:43.700 And my father has sex with these two women on the bed while I'm there and my back is

01:55:51.020 to him.

01:55:51.500 You know, I'm 10.

01:55:52.260 I pretend like I'm asleep and, and, you know, the beds just, is it to us?

01:55:57.660 It might be a little, but, but yeah, we, yeah, I think, uh, might be a little, uh, iffy

01:56:04.860 for YouTube.

01:56:05.700 Yeah.

01:56:06.340 So anyway, so, so the idea, the idea of that, and you know, for me, there was a brokenness

01:56:11.980 when it came to relationships and when it came to women, right?

01:56:14.920 I followed my dad, you know, you had a lot of girls that made you feel cool.

01:56:18.900 And I, I didn't realize how much I was hurting the women that I was lying to, that I was cheating

01:56:26.420 on because I never saw that with my dad.

01:56:29.540 You know, I, I, I, and it took me a long time to say, look, if you're going to be with

01:56:34.420 somebody, have enough courage to say, Hey, I'm interested in somebody else.

01:56:39.980 You know, I, I'm sorry, you know, do the human across from you, regardless of their sex or

01:56:45.400 sexual preference, the, the, the right thing.

01:56:48.260 And just, you know, be a good human being.

01:56:51.520 Sure.

01:56:52.000 But so we're going back to body count, right?

01:56:53.360 So body count.

01:56:54.320 I feel like in the sense that if you were, if two people were just hooking up, that question

01:56:58.260 wouldn't really come into play because those two people are hooking up just to hook up.

01:57:03.060 You know what I mean?

01:57:03.600 If you got, if they were getting in a relationship, it would make sense why, um, holy fuck.

01:57:16.720 Sorry.

01:57:17.380 We got fucking emergency vehicles going, going by.

01:57:21.300 Um, one of the, one of the perks of being centrally located, uh, no, I, and I don't, I don't

01:57:28.300 have an issue with other people having a different view on this than, than I do.

01:57:32.340 I just know for my own personal preferences when it comes to, uh, picking a partner, I'd

01:57:37.200 certainly prefer someone who has a lower body count.

01:57:40.860 Have you ever had a one night stand?

01:57:42.940 Uh, yes, I have.

01:57:44.060 Yeah.

01:57:44.240 And did you ask the body count?

01:57:46.600 Uh, I don't, I don't make a habit.

01:57:49.420 I certainly don't make it a habit of having one night stands.

01:57:53.020 Um, I, I'm more a relationship.

01:57:55.260 Like if I have sex with a girl, I want there to be a continuity.

01:57:58.440 I want to continue seeing her.

01:58:00.120 Um, but I have, I had a one, yeah, I've had a one night stand.

01:58:03.640 Um, no, I don't think I asked her body count then, but this was a long time ago.

01:58:09.940 Why are so many men unhappy in their marriages with their sex life?

01:58:14.840 Because they marry somebody that they want to be a mother more than they marry for the

01:58:20.180 sexual partner.

01:58:20.740 And I'm saying, I'm not saying right or wrong.

01:58:21.820 I think you can have both though.

01:58:23.000 You, I think he's like, nah, you can't have both.

01:58:27.240 Then you become occupied with so many things because you have kids, you create a family.

01:58:31.940 Yeah, it becomes harder.

01:58:32.760 They're in school and things like that.

01:58:33.720 You just don't really have the time.

01:58:34.600 Well, sex is the last thing on your mind when you're having kids and raising a family and

01:58:37.500 taking care of the house and doing the laundry and doing the dishes and doing this and doing

01:58:40.880 that.

01:58:41.220 Sure.

01:58:41.640 Sex is the last thing.

01:58:43.020 So they're working their ass off as a mom and doing the house all day.

01:58:46.380 And then the husband comes home and it's like, okay, babe, let's do this.

01:58:49.800 She's like, seriously, that's the last thing that's on mine.

01:58:53.480 Yes, that happens.

01:58:54.520 Really?

01:58:55.840 Absolutely.

01:58:56.320 It happens.

01:58:56.480 Well, yeah, there's dead bedrooms.

01:58:57.640 Okay.

01:58:57.800 Think about this.

01:58:58.600 Okay.

01:58:58.900 Not, not to go here too deep, but at the same time, the women that are going into menopause,

01:59:03.680 you guys aren't even, even remotely thinking of that yet.

01:59:06.900 To be fair, I have data.

01:59:08.120 I did date a woman who was 45.

01:59:09.620 Just going to say.

01:59:10.260 She's not even in a menopause yet.

01:59:11.560 Yeah.

01:59:11.740 Really?

01:59:12.120 I thought this starts.

01:59:13.100 50.

01:59:13.620 No.

01:59:14.840 It depends on, it depends on the woman.

01:59:16.140 But my point is, if you know any 50 year olds, get me in touch and I'll see what I can

01:59:19.420 do.

01:59:19.540 So they're going through menopause.

01:59:20.960 The last thing on their mind is sex.

01:59:23.180 They're having hot flashes.

01:59:25.180 They're, they're miserable.

01:59:27.280 They're not sexually active.

01:59:29.320 Okay.

01:59:29.640 So what happens to you at that point in time?

01:59:32.020 You're still sexually active.

01:59:33.700 She's like, no, I'm done, dude.

01:59:36.160 What do you do?

01:59:37.340 What do you, uh, I mean, are you, are you, my question is, is that it's, it's more along

01:59:43.120 the lines of this is where it's like the men have to come up to the plate and actually

01:59:48.740 like seriously, um, are we talking about foreplay relationship goes on?

01:59:57.220 They just, sometimes they just get it over with.

02:00:00.640 It's like, you got two minutes.

02:00:02.260 Now I got five minutes, but it's what I'm trying to say is the women aren't going to,

02:00:06.880 always be that sexually active as your relationship continues.

02:00:11.600 You do have to work on it.

02:00:13.100 The women have to work on it.

02:00:14.280 The men have to work on it, but I don't think the body counts really that important at that

02:00:19.060 time.

02:00:19.560 I think the previous, uh, example you gave was like, well, what if you're in love with

02:00:25.040 her?

02:00:25.220 And then she, like, you find out her body count.

02:00:27.160 I mean, that's something that I would probably ask very early on and it just, the relationship

02:00:32.360 just wouldn't proceed.

02:00:33.280 I think, you know, that's fair.

02:00:35.280 That's fair.

02:00:35.860 I mean, if that's what you're, if that's what you want, that's, I think that's great.

02:00:39.680 Cause I think too many people go in not having an idea of what their values or the moral hierarchy

02:00:45.080 is and then they go in and think, Oh, love is going to take care of it's all of it all.

02:00:49.320 And it doesn't.

02:00:50.920 Sure.

02:00:51.180 Right.

02:00:51.480 But I think, you know, at the end of the day, what a blue pill takes care of everything.

02:00:56.760 I've been looking at these at the entire podcast and I'm like, are you going to take the red

02:01:00.740 pill?

02:01:01.160 You should take the red pill.

02:01:02.300 I think you take both.

02:01:03.280 I think, Oh, purple pill.

02:01:04.460 Okay.

02:01:04.660 There you go.

02:01:05.160 I'm a purple pill.

02:01:06.120 I'm a purple.

02:01:06.680 Okay.

02:01:07.140 There you go.

02:01:07.520 So just to close, to close this call, close this loop.

02:01:10.960 Yeah.

02:01:11.840 Look, you can have really good sex when you've been in a long relationship.

02:01:15.320 Yeah.

02:01:16.180 It just looks different than it did in the beginning.

02:01:19.700 What are you talking about?

02:01:20.280 What are we talking about?

02:01:20.880 It looks different.

02:01:22.060 What's it?

02:01:22.740 Sex is different.

02:01:24.560 You know, in the beginning when you're dating, you know, you're hours, you're jumping off this,

02:01:29.320 you know, the dresser, so to speak, you know, and, and it's the most important thing.

02:01:32.840 And anybody is always ready and available in the beginning.

02:01:36.440 And then eventually it changes, but other things change with it.

02:01:40.960 You can still have good sex.

02:01:41.920 It's just, you have to work for it and you have to plan it a little bit more.

02:01:47.480 Got it.

02:01:47.820 Planning sucks.

02:01:48.840 Got it.

02:01:49.180 We have a couple of chats here.

02:01:50.340 We have Puffy Vegas.

02:01:52.960 Puffy, you, he's always in the chat.

02:01:55.500 Started dating at 12 years old.

02:01:56.680 I understand what he's talking about.

02:01:57.780 My school teachers, mom, friends, et cetera.

02:02:00.340 Eight out of 10 men's wives offer me S-E-X.

02:02:03.520 As soon as my male friend's wife got drunk, it would get really aggressive.

02:02:06.980 I believe all, okay, Puffy.

02:02:08.460 All right.

02:02:09.420 He's a, okay.

02:02:10.500 He's an interesting character.

02:02:11.720 We have Conan 19.

02:02:13.300 Was there a political leaning in the group of gladiators that you could notice?

02:02:17.440 What does that mean?

02:02:18.580 A political leaning?

02:02:19.640 Like, were they more so Democrat, Republican?

02:02:21.960 Oh, you know, nobody cared about politics.

02:02:24.180 I feel like you have politics.

02:02:25.060 Nobody gave a shit about politics back then.

02:02:27.040 Nobody cared about politics till Trump, right?

02:02:29.740 Not even till Trump, till COVID.

02:02:32.040 Well, no.

02:02:32.640 Because COVID, I think COVID, actually, I'm not supposed to bring this up.

02:02:36.320 Sorry.

02:02:37.340 But it opened the door because everybody was at home.

02:02:39.300 And so everybody got on the internet.

02:02:41.200 Yeah.

02:02:41.600 So, so I don't think, I thought, I think before you could be a Republican, you could be a Democrat,

02:02:46.120 and you could still be friends.

02:02:47.900 Now you can.

02:02:48.460 Yeah, now it's, you know, there's such a divisive line, you know, where people unfriend people

02:02:53.640 because of their political views.

02:02:54.940 And, you know, my, my partner, my partner, Kim is that way.

02:02:58.400 If, if, and I, I don't agree with it.

02:03:00.320 I have friends who are Republican, I have friends who are liberal, I have friends who

02:03:03.720 are not communist.

02:03:05.080 So I have friends from all parties and look, okay, and we should be able to have an open

02:03:08.300 chat about politics like we do body count.

02:03:11.160 Sure.

02:03:11.460 Without people getting so, you know, so angry.

02:03:13.900 You can talk.

02:03:14.240 You can, though.

02:03:14.420 You can nowadays.

02:03:15.560 We can have different opinions and we can still agree to be friends.

02:03:18.480 Yeah, of course.

02:03:18.980 And be cordial and civil.

02:03:20.300 Yeah.

02:03:20.540 But it's like you said, your girlfriend, she's like, no, I can't do that.

02:03:23.760 So in other words, if your girlfriend found out that we were purple, she might not want

02:03:27.780 us to hang out with you.

02:03:29.680 Purple.

02:03:30.240 Purple.

02:03:30.440 Yeah.

02:03:30.800 The purple pill.

02:03:31.500 The purple because.

02:03:32.680 The pill makes you turn purple.

02:03:33.800 Because the, the right's too far and the left is too far.

02:03:38.640 That's a good point.

02:03:39.460 Right in the middle.

02:03:40.100 Well, look, on the edges, right?

02:03:42.520 On the edges and everyone on, on the other side of the party, they always look at the most

02:03:48.600 radical of that party and they're afraid that what, that's what the party is.

02:03:52.980 Does that make sense what I'm saying?

02:03:54.460 Yes.

02:03:54.980 Yeah.

02:03:55.360 And generally the parties, look, they're, if we're getting into politics, I think the

02:03:59.900 biggest challenge is that so many people are one voter issues.

02:04:04.280 This is important to me.

02:04:05.440 Abortion is, so I'm going to vote this way.

02:04:07.380 You know, immigration is important to me.

02:04:08.900 I'm going to vote this way.

02:04:09.720 They don't look at the whole body of what the different political parties stand for.

02:04:13.800 I think you have to look at like, you know, look what I believe.

02:04:16.020 Do I believe in gun control?

02:04:17.140 Do I believe in abortion?

02:04:18.000 Do I believe freedom to choose?

02:04:19.140 How do I feel about LGBT?

02:04:20.600 How do I feel about, um, pharmaceutical?

02:04:22.660 You know, I think you have to look at all the issues and, uh, again, I hate that it's

02:04:26.080 gotten so divisive.

02:04:27.500 Yeah.

02:04:27.680 It's very, uh, there's, there's a specific term, but I, I think you said it, Lori, both

02:04:32.600 sides have really gone.

02:04:35.060 There's a specific, I can't think of the term, but we have puffy Vegas here.

02:04:38.720 I am 49 years old.

02:04:40.340 When you get 40, don't ask anymore.

02:04:42.300 I mainly date mostly women in their twenties.

02:04:46.300 Okay.

02:04:46.660 Puffy Vegas.

02:04:47.600 Uh, thank you.

02:04:48.560 You got to spell check these before you send them in, buddy.

02:04:51.600 It's make it, make, make my job.

02:04:53.520 Yeah.

02:04:53.660 Spend the 20 on chat.

02:04:55.100 GVT 20, put it in the chat.

02:04:57.440 GVT before you put it up there.

02:04:58.740 There you go.

02:04:59.620 Uh, Lori.

02:05:00.500 So, okay.

02:05:01.200 You said that you don't like really the muscular type of women.

02:05:06.780 If I recall, is that correct?

02:05:08.340 Yeah.

02:05:09.360 Dan.

02:05:09.880 Oh, are you?

02:05:10.480 He's leaving.

02:05:11.160 Oh, okay.

02:05:11.460 Okay.

02:05:11.840 I had a question.

02:05:12.540 You have different politics than me and you have a different body count than me.

02:05:15.240 So I got to get out of here.

02:05:16.320 Exactly.

02:05:16.660 He's done.

02:05:17.340 Get out.

02:05:17.520 You daughter, come with me.

02:05:20.680 You go.

02:05:21.280 I'm going to, I'm going to use the big boys room.

02:05:22.940 I'll, I'll save the question for later then.

02:05:25.080 Uh, okay.

02:05:25.820 So I think we're, excuse me, we're all caught up here on, on the chats.

02:05:31.220 Lori, would you consider yourself, um, more of like the masculine woman in the relationship,

02:05:38.040 which is why you seek a more feminine woman?

02:05:40.580 It's interesting.

02:05:41.460 You say that.

02:05:42.080 Um, I, I've got to say I'm, I'm still right down the middle on that.

02:05:47.180 I, I am.

02:05:48.180 I, I like to take care of, but I like to be taken care of.

02:05:52.840 Okay.

02:05:53.380 Yeah.

02:05:53.860 So that, that's a hard thing to find, to be honest with you.

02:05:58.200 Yeah.

02:05:58.480 And I know I can be a lot.

02:06:00.520 So therefore it's like finding someone that actually can handle me, you know, just because

02:06:06.020 of, I'm true.

02:06:07.700 It's just because of who I am, my personality.

02:06:09.700 I'm an Aries.

02:06:10.420 I'm a fire sign, you know?

02:06:12.740 And so therefore whoever the girl is, it's like, she's got to know how to handle me.

02:06:19.060 And it's interesting.

02:06:19.680 That's, I mean, my girlfriend and I, it's like, she handles me very well.

02:06:23.780 She's also an Aries, which is interesting.

02:06:25.580 And a lot of people are like, holy shit, two Aries in the same household.

02:06:28.380 But it's like, you know, my past girlfriend was a Taurus.

02:06:31.340 And so when we argued, there was like fucking heads and she would just like come after me

02:06:34.620 and I'd go after her, you know, in the argument.

02:06:37.380 But with this one, it's like, she understands me.

02:06:40.480 She understands exactly where I'm coming from.

02:06:42.060 So we'll argue and I'll, well, I will be arguing.

02:06:44.420 Let's put it that way.

02:06:45.240 And it's like, she'll just sit there and look at me and then she'll just smile and go,

02:06:47.960 are you done?

02:06:49.480 You know?

02:06:50.060 And it just makes me laugh.

02:06:51.320 And I'm like, okay, I'm done.

02:06:53.060 So you kind of get each other.

02:06:54.420 Absolutely.

02:06:55.200 Absolutely.

02:06:55.800 Absolutely.

02:06:56.560 So, I mean, as far as the masculine one in the relationship, no, not necessarily.

02:07:01.080 I mean, I, I tend to take on that role sometimes, but at the same time, I still love being that

02:07:08.640 girl and being taken care of.

02:07:11.780 Yeah.

02:07:12.060 Because I feel like a lot of, um, relationship these days where it's two women, there's always

02:07:17.720 one that's a little more.

02:07:19.380 Of course.

02:07:20.080 That plays a masculine part and one that plays a feminine part.

02:07:22.540 There's no role playing there.

02:07:24.340 I, there's never been any role playing in my relationships whatsoever.

02:07:28.480 You guys both kind of just pick up what each other lacks in.

02:07:31.720 And that's kind of, I think in, in any relationship, to be quite honest with you.

02:07:35.420 Very true.

02:07:36.200 You know.

02:07:36.800 Water.

02:07:38.560 I'm, I'm good.

02:07:39.340 I'm good.

02:07:40.080 I'm good.

02:07:40.400 It's like diet.

02:07:41.160 We have, uh, energy drinks if you need one or.

02:07:44.820 He'll be up till two in the morning.

02:07:45.920 Oh, coughing.

02:07:46.500 I thought you said coffee.

02:07:47.840 No, I've got some water here.

02:07:49.060 Um, you dated Sam Simon.

02:07:53.600 You want to tell us about that?

02:07:55.120 Interesting enough.

02:07:55.740 Yes.

02:07:56.300 Simpsons creator.

02:07:57.120 Yes.

02:07:57.440 He created the Simpsons.

02:07:59.060 Um, when I was, when I was doing gladiators, I did a couple of television shows and I actually

02:08:03.560 met Drew Carey first.

02:08:04.900 Um, so Drew and I actually went to a couple of premieres together, different things in

02:08:10.020 the industry.

02:08:10.480 And then that's where Sam was actually producing one of the Drew Carey shows.

02:08:14.400 So I met Sam Simon on set.

02:08:16.360 Okay.

02:08:16.940 Um, super nice guy, you know, um, not necessarily my type, but just a super nice guy.

02:08:24.400 Um, we wound up, I actually lived with him for about, uh, three to six months, somewhere

02:08:30.040 in there, but his house was haunted.

02:08:31.260 So I wanted to leave house was haunted, like creaking and that sort of like, no, he actually

02:08:37.680 saw a ghost sitting at the end of his bed.

02:08:40.320 He definitely said, he goes, there was a female apparition sitting on the end of his bed.

02:08:45.640 He said he was never afraid of her.

02:08:47.700 Oh, it was a friendly apparition.

02:08:49.180 It was a friendly one.

02:08:50.380 But just him telling me these stories, like if I had to come home at night, you know,

02:08:54.680 two in the morning and he wasn't there.

02:08:57.380 Yeah.

02:08:57.800 It was a bit creepy, you know, because I could hear things throughout the house and I'm like,

02:09:04.220 he's been like super spiritual my whole entire life.

02:09:06.540 So like, I believe in ghosts and demons and all that stuff.

02:09:09.800 Oh, I do too.

02:09:10.460 It creeps me out too.

02:09:11.560 Yeah.

02:09:11.840 Yeah.

02:09:12.460 So it was, it was pretty intense.

02:09:14.700 That house was, you know.

02:09:17.160 Um, but Sam was an interesting character.

02:09:19.700 I mean, we had a really good time.

02:09:21.480 I, I mean, it got to the point to where he was, he was extremely into me.

02:09:27.060 Um, I was, I was dating girls and I was like, can't we bring girls into this?

02:09:32.360 Okay.

02:09:32.660 He didn't want that.

02:09:33.460 Oh, he didn't want it.

02:09:34.080 Absolutely not.

02:09:35.000 No, I know.

02:09:35.800 Right.

02:09:36.120 I kind of get it though.

02:09:37.800 You know, like here's my take on threesomes.

02:09:39.960 It's like, I'd rather only disappoint one woman at a time.

02:09:45.280 You know what I mean?

02:09:46.260 That's good.

02:09:46.720 You know what I mean?

02:09:47.340 Like, yeah.

02:09:48.300 And I, I don't even think that was his thing.

02:09:50.420 I think it was more, he just wanted me a hundred percent to himself.

02:09:54.180 I can see that.

02:09:55.480 Yeah.

02:09:55.680 I can see that.

02:09:56.400 So he really wanted children at the time.

02:09:58.560 I never wanted kids.

02:10:00.140 You know, he's like, have my child and basically I'll take care of you.

02:10:04.340 You will be set for life.

02:10:05.840 Simpsons creator.

02:10:07.100 Simpsons creator.

02:10:07.660 Set for life.

02:10:08.420 Holy shit.

02:10:09.300 Yeah.

02:10:09.720 Set for life.

02:10:10.520 Okay.

02:10:11.220 Still, even though, even at that, I was like, you had to go a different way.

02:10:14.820 You had to go a different way.

02:10:16.240 Yeah.

02:10:16.620 Okay.

02:10:17.920 You know, we had great, we, we, we, we became very good friends and remained friends until

02:10:24.080 the day he passed away.

02:10:25.760 Yeah.

02:10:25.920 Gotcha.

02:10:26.920 Dan.

02:10:27.580 So, and the reason I brought up Lori about how, uh, you're not so much into the muscular

02:10:32.660 women, Dan.

02:10:34.220 Dan, you had an encounter with a muscular woman, perhaps more than one.

02:10:40.720 He's like, who?

02:10:41.600 Angie?

02:10:41.900 Where?

02:10:42.360 I think.

02:10:42.880 Which one?

02:10:43.120 From the book?

02:10:43.480 Oh, you know, in, in the book, Gladiator, um, a true story of Roy's rage redemption.

02:10:48.200 I, I changed the name to protect the innocent if anybody was innocent.

02:10:53.160 Oh, okay.

02:10:53.580 So that wasn't that girl.

02:10:54.860 So no, um, I, I've, I, you know, look, I've like, uh, all like I'm mumbling over my words

02:11:02.200 here.

02:11:02.900 You've made me uncomfortable, Brian.

02:11:04.540 Oh, okay.

02:11:05.020 Whatever.

02:11:05.460 Um, there was a girl I dated and, uh, she was a former bodybuilder.

02:11:11.760 She wasn't huge at that time, but, uh, I think what you're referring to is, um, something

02:11:19.960 sexually about her changed.

02:11:22.020 Yeah.

02:11:22.680 And, um, the, the steroid.

02:11:25.640 Yeah.

02:11:26.000 She was on the clit.

02:11:28.040 It was big.

02:11:29.440 The clit.

02:11:31.900 That's hysterical.

02:11:33.140 The clit was big.

02:11:33.760 Are you covering?

02:11:34.240 I don't want to hear this.

02:11:35.180 I want to hear this.

02:11:36.140 I was just not expecting that to come out of your mouth.

02:11:38.260 I guess if you, as a woman, if you take, uh, PDs or, you know, I think large amounts,

02:11:46.480 it can be a side effect.

02:11:48.280 Just like men's balls shrink.

02:11:50.200 Hmm.

02:11:50.960 Yeah.

02:11:52.060 I'm not going to front.

02:11:52.960 I kind of.

02:11:55.820 Is it that evident?

02:11:57.540 Pretty much.

02:11:59.680 What are they good for?

02:12:03.620 The balls?

02:12:04.960 Uh, testicles.

02:12:06.140 This is a.

02:12:06.620 Yeah.

02:12:06.820 Okay.

02:12:07.100 Excuse me.

02:12:07.720 Excuse me.

02:12:08.060 I apologize.

02:12:09.000 Uh, we, we don't know.

02:12:12.320 Do you really want your daughter to share about that?

02:12:14.680 We, we, we don't know.

02:12:16.180 What are they good for?

02:12:17.720 I don't know.

02:12:18.340 I don't want to hear this.

02:12:19.560 What are they good for?

02:12:19.780 There should be, what's that song war?

02:12:21.520 They should do a remix.

02:12:24.240 War.

02:12:24.940 Oh, what are they good for?

02:12:28.080 Balls.

02:12:28.500 What are they good for?

02:12:29.520 That is fantastic.

02:12:31.480 What are they good for?

02:12:33.040 What do you think they're good for?

02:12:34.640 Besides procreating.

02:12:35.540 What do you guys know what they're good for?

02:12:36.240 I mean, I don't know if you, this is, this is going to get some X rated here.

02:12:39.920 Well, you can.

02:12:40.580 A girl can suck on the balls.

02:12:43.800 I'm just saying.

02:12:44.440 A girl can suck.

02:12:45.740 No, not a fan.

02:12:46.340 So disgusting.

02:12:47.420 Whoa.

02:12:47.640 Balls are disgusting.

02:12:49.400 They're gross.

02:12:50.680 They're gross.

02:12:51.380 This is a guy who talks about body count.

02:12:53.360 They're gross.

02:12:53.560 Oh, the, the, the, the, the, you mean like the, the consistent.

02:12:56.120 There's nothing attractive about balls at all whatsoever.

02:13:00.060 Chat.

02:13:00.580 I don't give a shit what you say.

02:13:01.740 A lot of girls find them attractive though, I think.

02:13:03.620 A lot of girls do not find them attractive.

02:13:05.780 Madison's friends.

02:13:08.500 I haven't met any girls, straight girls that go, oh my God, balls are so cool.

02:13:13.740 Cut them off.

02:13:14.620 We don't need them.

02:13:15.140 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:13:16.000 Don't need them.

02:13:16.700 Could you imagine like, oh, FDG.

02:13:19.300 Thank you.

02:13:19.940 Thank you very much for the gift of memberships.

02:13:23.420 I, uh.

02:13:24.020 Could you imagine, what'd you like about him?

02:13:25.840 Oh my God.

02:13:26.700 Did you see his testicles?

02:13:28.260 Right.

02:13:28.720 Oh, remember.

02:13:29.340 Wait, wait, wait.

02:13:29.780 Okay.

02:13:30.080 I won't mention the person's name, but it was on tour.

02:13:33.220 Oh.

02:13:33.540 And somebody said, oh my God, he's got the biggest balls I've ever seen.

02:13:37.820 And I think you know who I'm talking about.

02:13:39.320 Wait, was it a, was it a gladiator?

02:13:40.940 It was not a gladiator.

02:13:42.180 I know it was a gladiator.

02:13:42.380 It was not a gladiator.

02:13:45.140 I have no idea.

02:13:45.680 Contender?

02:13:47.160 Producer?

02:13:47.860 I have no idea.

02:13:50.140 Oh, whoa, whisperer.

02:13:51.400 Okay.

02:13:52.380 I've never heard that about that gentleman.

02:13:54.220 Yes.

02:13:54.440 Oh, wow.

02:13:54.760 I don't know if, like, you know, look, usually guys are, couldn't be proud if, you know,

02:13:59.500 they're well endowed.

02:14:00.560 Um, but I don't know if you have, you know, elephantitis of the testicles.

02:14:06.080 If that's something you're like, yo, bro, you know, check it out.

02:14:09.120 Check out my giant balls.

02:14:11.280 I don't even know.

02:14:14.540 I mean, can, can a guy's testicles be too big?

02:14:20.380 I don't know.

02:14:21.300 I feel like a lot of guys, I don't know, like around my age, I would say like having small

02:14:28.380 balls is an insult, right?

02:14:30.660 Well, I mean, like to have big balls, like cojones, there's that component.

02:14:34.420 Yeah, but that's a metaphorically.

02:14:37.880 Like physically.

02:14:38.940 Yeah, no, I thought like a physical thing too.

02:14:41.420 But do you care?

02:14:41.940 I don't think girls care about ball size.

02:14:44.240 They don't care at all.

02:14:44.900 I don't think girls care about balls at all.

02:14:46.440 They don't care at all.

02:14:47.240 They only care in the sense that they can gratificate their partner.

02:14:50.520 Yeah, that's it.

02:14:51.580 Gratificate.

02:14:53.040 Sexually gratificate.

02:14:55.060 Sexual gratification.

02:14:56.520 Are you going to stand for this kind of language from your daughter?

02:15:00.880 When we get home, you're in trouble.

02:15:02.680 No soup for you.

02:15:04.140 You did encounter a woman who was on steroids and I guess made the clip bigger, apparently.

02:15:12.200 Yeah.

02:15:12.800 I mean, it was.

02:15:14.460 Let me ask you, how were her orgasms?

02:15:17.420 Or did you care?

02:15:18.540 Well, no.

02:15:19.620 Whoa, thrown under the bus.

02:15:22.180 It was interesting.

02:15:25.200 It was just interesting something physically to see.

02:15:29.380 In technical terms, it looked like she had a little penis.

02:15:33.820 Oh, that's kind of big.

02:15:35.180 Yeah.

02:15:35.580 That's really big, actually.

02:15:36.060 No, like a little infant genitalia.

02:15:38.540 Holy shit.

02:15:39.720 That is big.

02:15:40.180 That's a little.

02:15:40.820 That's a little.

02:15:41.460 That's big.

02:15:42.480 It was a little disconcerting.

02:15:44.040 And, you know, she was like, she didn't want to get naked.

02:15:49.440 She was self-conscious.

02:15:50.200 She was very self-conscious.

02:15:51.120 She didn't want to get naked because, you know, it was a thing for her.

02:15:55.900 But, you know, I'm sure there's a website for girls with large.

02:15:58.860 I'm sure there are.

02:15:59.540 That, you know, guys go to and want to see.

02:16:02.640 I'm sure it's on OnlyFans.

02:16:04.100 It's on OnlyFans.

02:16:06.540 I kind of, I'm not going to front.

02:16:08.140 I kind of like a big clit.

02:16:09.560 Don't get me wrong.

02:16:10.760 I'm down for the big clit.

02:16:12.020 I can't believe we're actually talking about this right now.

02:16:14.600 It came up.

02:16:15.520 I don't know.

02:16:16.280 This is my thumb.

02:16:17.380 That's huge.

02:16:18.640 Send her my way.

02:16:19.520 Is she still around?

02:16:20.640 No way.

02:16:21.600 Are you serious?

02:16:22.640 Why not?

02:16:23.160 Let's go.

02:16:24.320 This is a guy who cares about body count.

02:16:25.900 Right?

02:16:27.980 I got to link up with some bodybuilder gals.

02:16:31.020 Wow.

02:16:31.580 Yeah, if you know it.

02:16:32.460 Well, no, look.

02:16:32.600 Yeah, that's huge.

02:16:33.440 This doesn't happen to every girl who takes testosterone.

02:16:35.380 It'll happen to her.

02:16:36.320 Oh, some.

02:16:36.900 Not all.

02:16:37.520 And, you know, she, I remember she, like, she actually cried because she was ashamed.

02:16:41.340 And that hurt me that, you know, she was ashamed of something because, you know,

02:16:46.140 I think everything's got beauty in its own way.

02:16:49.060 Well, it's kind of like being with a man that has a micropenis.

02:16:51.740 Oh.

02:16:52.220 Why did you look at me?

02:16:53.360 Or a girl with a large labial.

02:16:54.520 That was so wrong.

02:16:57.000 Brian, she looked at me.

02:16:58.120 She's like, it's kind of being with a man who has a micropenis.

02:17:01.460 Why are you looking at me?

02:17:03.940 That's when you really feel sorry for him.

02:17:06.200 I think I was, I was with one when I was super young.

02:17:10.180 I mean, I, young meaning like.

02:17:11.540 Was his last name Simon?

02:17:12.980 No, it was Clark.

02:17:14.300 Clark, but I think I was like 20, I want to say, around that area.

02:17:21.760 And it was kind of shocking.

02:17:23.960 It was like, whoa.

02:17:25.840 Uh-oh.

02:17:26.580 What do I do with this?

02:17:28.040 Seriously.

02:17:28.780 You try your best.

02:17:29.340 What do I do with this?

02:17:31.040 You try your best, I guess.

02:17:32.680 Yeah, nothing happened.

02:17:33.640 Let's put it that way.

02:17:34.560 I kind of feel bad for men who have the micropenis.

02:17:38.300 You know, it's got to be tough.

02:17:40.920 It's got to be really hard.

02:17:41.600 Just for a friend, what is micro?

02:17:42.880 I mean, what is considered micro and what's considered average?

02:17:46.600 Like this.

02:17:47.380 It's like an inch.

02:17:49.660 Erect?

02:17:51.160 Because some people are, you know, growers, not showers.

02:17:53.660 Let's say it's even two inches erect.

02:17:55.460 That is true.

02:17:56.120 Two inches erect?

02:17:57.060 Are you serious?

02:17:57.680 Show me how big two inches is.

02:18:00.040 That's like, is that two inches to you?

02:18:02.840 I don't know.

02:18:03.380 She just went, she was like, that's two inches.

02:18:05.080 I don't know.

02:18:05.200 That's about two inches.

02:18:06.020 No, but there's like micro where it's like an inch less than an inch.

02:18:10.580 I've never seen such a thing.

02:18:12.740 I'm sure in the chat, they'll tell you.

02:18:16.540 I'm looking now.

02:18:18.340 Logan Paul?

02:18:19.720 How did that come up?

02:18:21.580 I have no idea.

02:18:22.940 Someone said two inches is not micro.

02:18:25.940 I don't know if it's, it's certainly below average, but micro is like a very, I think

02:18:30.620 it's almost a medical term for like very, very small.

02:18:35.700 So that must be tough.

02:18:37.160 Okay.

02:18:37.440 So, so I'm looking in the chat.

02:18:39.080 So anything under two inches is micro?

02:18:41.280 Is that what they're trying to say?

02:18:42.300 One to two inches.

02:18:42.960 It could be.

02:18:43.580 I'm not sure.

02:18:44.580 What is there?

02:18:45.380 A corresponding dysfunction in women?

02:18:50.240 Like, is there a what?

02:18:50.840 Like a corresponding, like what's the equivalent of a micropenis for a woman?

02:18:56.840 You know?

02:18:57.800 If a woman is, has a small, um, vaginal entrance.

02:19:04.460 Vaginal entrance.

02:19:05.400 Yeah.

02:19:05.640 I mean, that, that is not seen as a detriment.

02:19:08.480 It's like medical.

02:19:09.300 She probably goes way up on your list.

02:19:11.720 Wait, if it's probably like a woman with small breasts or no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

02:19:18.440 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:19:19.600 I feel like that'd be the closest comparison to what you're talking about.

02:19:22.640 I don't think there is.

02:19:24.160 I think there is no equivalent for, you know, micro for something that a woman has.

02:19:31.060 Not to that degree.

02:19:32.520 Not to that degree.

02:19:34.040 You know what I mean?

02:19:34.740 I think, um, yeah, I think if you ever want to tease a guy, you know, like if a girl wants

02:19:39.440 to say something bad about a guy, she'll say, oh, he had a little wee wee.

02:19:42.100 Yeah.

02:19:42.440 Even if it's a lie, you know, just cause they know that messes with the male psyche so much.

02:19:46.920 Well, what's the go-to thing if you're trying to mess with a woman?

02:19:50.840 You call her a whore or a slut.

02:19:53.480 Oh.

02:19:54.080 Right?

02:19:54.540 Yeah.

02:19:55.140 But yet the men are called studs.

02:19:58.740 I know.

02:19:59.240 It's not fair.

02:19:59.860 That's, I mean, it's backwards.

02:20:00.880 No, I'm just saying, I don't agree with it, but like, you know, in a puritanical patriarchal

02:20:06.080 society, oh, she had sex with too many men.

02:20:10.140 She's bad.

02:20:11.460 You know, put the scar to letter on her.

02:20:12.840 Put the scar to letter on her, you know what I mean?

02:20:15.500 You know what I think is really unfair is if women sleep with a lot of men, they're judged

02:20:21.600 for it.

02:20:21.980 They're called a, you know, a slut.

02:20:23.280 For example, if a guy does the same thing, then he's called gay.

02:20:27.280 No, I heard that.

02:20:28.400 They're called a stud.

02:20:30.140 If a guy sleeps with a lot of women, he's gay?

02:20:32.340 No, no, no, no, no, no.

02:20:32.920 Okay, so the joke is, if a woman sleeps with a lot of men, she's a slut, but if a guy does

02:20:39.820 the same thing, then he's gay?

02:20:41.420 Oh, bada bing.

02:20:42.540 Bada bing.

02:20:43.280 Ashley, did you get that?

02:20:44.260 Ashley Sinclair.

02:20:45.520 Bada bing.

02:20:46.200 There you have it.

02:20:46.780 Bada bing.

02:20:47.260 There you have it.

02:20:48.020 There was a banana situation.

02:20:49.520 Oh, wait, wait, wait.

02:20:50.220 Since we're on the topic.

02:20:51.220 Wait, wait.

02:20:51.480 I just looked in the chat.

02:20:52.580 She smells.

02:20:54.440 Oh, like that pussy stank.

02:20:55.660 Yeah, that, if you say that, how is it?

02:20:58.000 Oh, God, she's stinky.

02:20:58.940 Yeah, I think that's a pretty good.

02:21:00.600 Yeah, yeah, that's very offensive.

02:21:02.520 Although some guys, they'll still go for it.

02:21:07.060 Well, some guys don't care.

02:21:08.160 Some girls will still go for the micros.

02:21:11.320 That's going to be a.

02:21:12.720 It's a lot harder, but.

02:21:13.780 Yeah, that's fair.

02:21:15.520 Since we're on the topic of just absolute degenerate conversation here.

02:21:20.920 Jesus.

02:21:21.560 What was the banana situation?

02:21:24.180 Oh, Jesus.

02:21:24.820 What'd you do with the banana?

02:21:26.660 Jesus.

02:21:27.340 I mean, pardon my language, but.

02:21:30.400 Someone, you have to leave something for the book.

02:21:32.260 Oh, okay.

02:21:32.920 You gotta.

02:21:33.560 Well, the funny.

02:21:33.880 I'll ask one thing, one thing.

02:21:35.180 The funny thing was about the banana is that the girl's a very good friend of mine still.

02:21:39.300 Okay.

02:21:39.540 And we went to a book signing together and she was like, hi, I'm the banana girl.

02:21:43.360 Oh, wow.

02:21:44.220 And I just thought that was so endearing.

02:21:47.000 Nice.

02:21:47.600 And she was kind of like laughed, you know, and she's very comfortable with herself.

02:21:50.560 Gotcha.

02:21:51.060 So I think that's all you need to know about the banana.

02:21:53.080 One question with the banana.

02:21:54.820 Was it peeled or unpeeled?

02:21:58.100 I have to think about that now.

02:21:59.520 I think if it was unpeeled.

02:22:01.080 You might not get it out.

02:22:02.420 It was definitely in its sheath.

02:22:05.260 Okay.

02:22:06.300 All right.

02:22:06.660 Definitely in its sheath.

02:22:07.720 Gotcha.

02:22:08.400 Gotcha.

02:22:09.960 Got a couple more questions here and then we're going to wrap up pretty soon.

02:22:12.860 So let me see.

02:22:15.880 Hold on.

02:22:16.300 I'm just grabbing my notes.

02:22:17.960 So you're half Asian, right?

02:22:22.460 You're half Japanese.

02:22:23.520 Is it correct?

02:22:24.160 Yes.

02:22:24.820 Gotcha.

02:22:25.060 So I have a couple Asian friends and I've heard from a lot of Asian men that they struggle

02:22:31.260 with dating and they find that they encounter a lot of women who either by their own admission

02:22:37.420 that they don't find them attractive or they've even told me that even some Asian women don't

02:22:44.760 find them attractive.

02:22:47.800 Looking at you, Madison.

02:22:49.080 Wow, Madison.

02:22:49.920 So did you ever feel that you struggled with dating because you were Asian?

02:22:58.440 You were handsome.

02:22:59.400 I mean, you're like 6'2".

02:23:01.060 You're a stud.

02:23:02.180 You guys are seeing this incarnation of me.

02:23:04.840 Sure.

02:23:05.140 I'll post on Instagram me as a 10-year-old kid.

02:23:07.760 Okay.

02:23:08.160 Nobody looked at that guy, that kid.

02:23:11.440 Yeah.

02:23:12.020 That chubby Asian-looking kid with the bull haircut.

02:23:14.800 Nobody looked at that guy and thought it would be this guy.

02:23:17.080 Gotcha.

02:23:17.380 So when I started dating is when I also started lying about my race.

02:23:26.140 Okay.

02:23:26.420 It was like when I was a freshman in high school because I was teased when I was fifth, sixth

02:23:32.000 grades, slanted-eyed rice picker, oh no, rice again, all the jokes.

02:23:35.760 Even though I was half Asian, I grew up in Orange County, an all-white area, right?

02:23:39.860 So when I changed high schools and I moved to Santa Ana, I made up a new story.

02:23:45.420 I'm not Asian.

02:23:46.220 I'm Hawaiian.

02:23:46.760 I'm a surfer and I grew my hair out and I became, you know, cool.

02:23:50.600 I became this Hawaiian surfer, a cool guy.

02:23:53.260 And that was kind of an identity I kept.

02:23:55.580 And then when I moved to Hollywood, I was long hair.

02:23:58.160 I was Native American.

02:23:59.700 I was anything but not to be Asian because it was painful, those memories of kids teasing

02:24:08.740 me.

02:24:09.060 And, you know, and that hurt my mom.

02:24:13.060 My mom, you know, was born in Japan.

02:24:14.520 I was born in Japan.

02:24:15.320 And the fact that I lied about my race, my heritage, really, really hurt her.

02:24:20.220 So on American Gladiators, we went and did a show in Japan towards the end of American

02:24:27.060 Gladiators.

02:24:27.660 And I made it my goal to go on the Japanese version of Gladiators and speak in Japanese

02:24:35.000 to make my mother proud.

02:24:37.520 Now, I'd only seen my mom cry two times because my mom is Asian, you know, Japanese, and they

02:24:42.460 don't show their emotion.

02:24:43.260 She cried once when I was 10 years old and my 12-year-old brother died in my arms.

02:24:48.620 He got electrocuted.

02:24:49.400 She cried.

02:24:50.460 And the next time she cried was when I was 27 years old when she saw me on TV speaking

02:24:56.820 Japanese, you know.

02:24:59.100 So I did not feel that women didn't date me because I was Asian, because I lied about it.

02:25:08.900 I don't now.

02:25:09.760 Now I'm so proud of my heritage.

02:25:11.180 It took me, like, maybe to like I was 28.

02:25:13.720 Because, I mean, like I said, I've heard from a lot of my Asian friends.

02:25:16.500 They feel that it's difficult for them.

02:25:18.620 Maybe there's some sort of stereotyping or some degree of discrimination.

02:25:26.200 They're like normal guys, I'd say.

02:25:28.860 That's why.

02:25:29.440 It's not because they're Asian.

02:25:31.200 They're just normal.

02:25:32.040 They're just normal guys.

02:25:33.240 No, I've heard that before.

02:25:34.340 No, but I mean.

02:25:34.840 I've heard that before, that, you know, it's hard that a lot of Caucasian girls don't like

02:25:39.300 Asians, and even Asian girls don't like Asian men.

02:25:42.020 But I think that's a stereotype that's going away a little bit more.

02:25:48.800 But I don't like Asian women.

02:25:50.640 I won't date Asian women.

02:25:51.500 You won't, huh?

02:25:52.100 No.

02:25:52.600 Really?

02:25:53.080 It reminds me of my mother and my sister.

02:25:54.400 Oh.

02:25:54.420 And my daughter.

02:25:56.960 So, what I previously said on a different episode was that I've never, like, I'm not

02:26:03.580 opposed to the whole dating an Asian man.

02:26:06.820 I have a boyfriend, so I obviously wouldn't go for an Asian man right now.

02:26:10.560 But I've never really found myself, like, gravitating towards one, you know?

02:26:16.240 I didn't think it was that offensive.

02:26:18.780 I mean.

02:26:20.320 Look, you're attracted to what you're attracted to.

02:26:22.160 Like, my, the very first, like, the two guys I first ever liked in my entire life were,

02:26:27.260 like, half Asian.

02:26:28.440 Okay.

02:26:29.420 It's okay.

02:26:29.980 It's all right.

02:26:30.540 Yeah, I know.

02:26:31.080 You stepped on the wild side, just half.

02:26:32.660 I think diversity is beautiful.

02:26:34.020 I'm not discriminating or anything.

02:26:36.260 Yeah, I think, look, I look at this generation, I feel like they're more colorblind than we

02:26:41.780 were growing up.

02:26:42.820 I feel like it's more inclusive now.

02:26:44.900 At least, you know, that's kind of what I see when, you know, I talk to my 12-year-old

02:26:50.060 stepson.

02:26:50.640 And it's not like, ooh, I don't like her, she's Asian.

02:26:52.620 Ooh, I don't like her, she's black.

02:26:53.940 You know?

02:26:54.100 It's just like, oh, I kind of like her.

02:26:55.980 Exactly.

02:26:56.820 Yeah, but I think even kids, I mean, before we wrap this thing up, I think kids don't

02:27:00.580 see color, really.

02:27:01.520 I think that our society teaches them to see color.

02:27:05.020 You know?

02:27:05.580 But when you're growing up, you don't see color, unless your parents do.

02:27:08.740 It comes from your parents.

02:27:10.160 Right?

02:27:10.420 I mean, same thing with pretty much anything across the board.

02:27:13.460 And for the, when you guys did a show in Japan, was it like a one-time show?

02:27:18.840 Were you there too?

02:27:19.780 Did you go to Japan?

02:27:20.260 I actually passed up that opportunity.

02:27:22.460 I didn't keep hearing.

02:27:22.940 So you didn't like Asian men?

02:27:24.060 I didn't like Asian men.

02:27:25.220 So what about Asian women?

02:27:26.040 Actually, I just didn't want to take it.

02:27:27.320 Asian women?

02:27:28.480 Yeah.

02:27:28.980 What about Asian women?

02:27:29.980 I think some of them are beautiful.

02:27:31.340 Have you ever hooked up with Asian women?

02:27:32.880 No, but I think they're beautiful.

02:27:34.560 Never?

02:27:35.240 No, I just, it never, it never presented itself.

02:27:37.440 It just never happened.

02:27:37.900 It just never presented itself.

02:27:38.800 I don't, I mean, if the girl's beautiful, it's not like I'm going to go, oh God, no,

02:27:42.160 you're Asian.

02:27:42.740 I mean, you're missing out.

02:27:44.920 Look, I have, I have male friends.

02:27:47.260 We call it what?

02:27:47.820 Yellow fever.

02:27:48.780 Yeah.

02:27:49.120 That's all they do is a, my buddy, Tony Brill, that's all he would do all through college.

02:27:53.860 And he married an Asian woman.

02:27:55.020 He just only had eyes for Asian women.

02:27:57.280 There could be the most beautiful models, you know, right next to him and, you know, Caucasian

02:28:01.680 and be like, nope, Asian.

02:28:04.240 Wait, just a point of clarification.

02:28:05.560 Like, cause when we say Asian, it's like there's Asian American and then there's women

02:28:10.400 from who've grown up in Asia, like from Japan, Korea, South Korea, I suppose North, North

02:28:16.200 Korea too, uh, Vietnam, et cetera, et cetera.

02:28:19.220 Uh, so like never even, uh, like an Asian American woman, just no, never, never presented

02:28:26.040 itself.

02:28:26.480 Okay.

02:28:27.000 Just never presented itself.

02:28:28.420 Yeah.

02:28:28.600 So it's not like, you know, obviously one came on to me and I was like, oh God, no, no,

02:28:32.580 never.

02:28:32.920 Yeah.

02:28:33.120 No, no, no.

02:28:33.820 Never, never presented.

02:28:34.900 It just never happened.

02:28:35.880 No, it just never happened.

02:28:36.820 Never happened.

02:28:37.360 I think Asian women are beautiful.

02:28:39.380 I'm with you on that.

02:28:40.420 Yeah.

02:28:40.480 I love when I see Asian women are beautiful.

02:28:42.520 Look, I think every race has beautiful women.

02:28:45.800 Yeah.

02:28:46.160 Yeah.

02:28:46.340 You know, I've seen every race.

02:28:48.580 Like there's a, there's, there's beauty.

02:28:50.400 There's beauty out there.

02:28:51.900 Yeah.

02:28:52.500 Oh, uh, so the Japanese, uh, show the, for American gladiators, were they running their own

02:28:59.300 thing and you went over there to like be on it or was it just like a one time?

02:29:03.760 Um, so, so American gladiators, we had it in America and that show played in, ran in 40

02:29:10.040 different countries, but there were nine countries that did their own version of gladiators.

02:29:14.660 Right.

02:29:15.080 Yeah.

02:29:15.220 Uh, UK was gladiators was huge.

02:29:17.580 Yeah.

02:29:18.360 Australian, Finland, Germany, and, uh, Japan had a show called, uh, kind of bam, bam, bam,

02:29:24.820 bam, bam, bam, bam, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

02:29:28.120 And the gladiators was part of the bang, bang, bang, bang, show.

02:29:31.380 So we went over and then we did different events and stuff.

02:29:34.180 Uh, but you know, my people are shorter.

02:29:36.720 So we used to have this event called Atlasphere.

02:29:38.980 I don't know if you guys remember.

02:29:39.620 So we put us in these steel round cages.

02:29:41.660 We were like hamsters and we ran in these round cages and we would bust into each other.

02:29:45.860 So you can look it up on YouTube, uh, Atlasphere, American gladiators.

02:29:49.000 And they made the cages smaller.

02:29:51.800 So when I got in there, I got in there, I was tall.

02:29:55.420 And the first time we, I clanged with somebody, my head hit the top of the cage and split wide

02:30:01.380 open.

02:30:01.640 I just have blood dripping down my face.

02:30:04.160 Um, and it was funny.

02:30:05.780 I was, you know, I, I, I'm a jokester.

02:30:07.700 I like to joke around.

02:30:09.480 So we got that.

02:30:10.320 We go to the doctor, uh, after the surgeon and I look at, I said, Hey, look, you know,

02:30:14.160 I'm, I'm like samurai.

02:30:15.740 I said, I don't want, uh, any painkiller.

02:30:19.120 I don't want you to numb the area.

02:30:20.900 And you know, in America, they'd be like, Oh no, no, you got it.

02:30:23.040 And that guy was like, okay, we do this.

02:30:25.040 And he starts coming with a needle towards my head.

02:30:26.800 I go, no, no, I'm just kidding.

02:30:28.220 Give me the shot.

02:30:29.180 Give me the shot.

02:30:32.000 Um, I think I have two more things here.

02:30:35.000 So, uh, and Nick, can you pull up, uh, Lori's Instagram?

02:30:41.120 I saw on your Instagram that you had met or you're friends with Kevin Costner.

02:30:45.560 Are you guys still friends with, with, were you friends with,

02:30:49.000 just him, his wife or, um, actually, no, I owned a tanning salon, uh, back in the day

02:30:54.280 and his, it was his girlfriend at the time.

02:30:58.560 It was Christine.

02:30:59.460 She used to come in.

02:31:00.560 We got chit chatting.

02:31:02.040 We started playing racquetball together.

02:31:03.700 And it was always my boyfriend, this, my boyfriend, that we'd go on hikes together.

02:31:08.140 Finally, one day I'm just like, who is your boyfriend?

02:31:11.400 Oh, it's Kevin Costner.

02:31:12.540 I was like, I mean, I just kind of was like, Florida.

02:31:14.800 I was like, seriously?

02:31:17.040 Oh, uh, FTG, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.

02:31:20.760 So, um, we became very good friends and, um, we got invited to his wedding in Aspen.

02:31:26.420 It was like a three day wedding.

02:31:28.320 Um, and then they actually have a house up here in Santa Barbara.

02:31:31.120 So they sold their house in the Hollywood Hills, moved up here.

02:31:33.660 Um, yeah, it's, they're awesome people, but unfortunately we, we lost contact basically

02:31:40.320 when she started having children, you know, she became the mom.

02:31:44.040 Got it.

02:31:44.660 Okay.

02:31:45.000 Yeah.

02:31:45.340 Cause yeah, Kevin Costner, they recently, uh, got divorced.

02:31:49.020 Yeah.

02:31:49.520 Well, they're kind of in the middle of it.

02:31:51.060 Yeah.

02:31:51.280 They're in the middle of it.

02:31:52.220 Um, are, what, do you guys have any thoughts on, uh, cause it's a pretty, been a pretty publicized.

02:31:58.520 I mean, come on.

02:31:59.240 Any kind of divorce is going to be gnarly.

02:32:00.980 Yeah.

02:32:01.380 And that's something it's like, you know, I don't wish that upon anybody and I feel

02:32:06.000 sorry for both parties because you know, it is, it's, you know, both parties, but you

02:32:11.480 know, there's kids involved now.

02:32:12.620 Yeah.

02:32:13.160 So I know that Kevin had the very, I think he had the most expensive divorce, his first

02:32:18.100 one.

02:32:18.500 So I can only imagine what this one's going to be.

02:32:21.020 I think cause they're, they're actually conducting the, the court case here in Santa Barbara County.

02:32:25.780 And, uh, my understanding is that she was, uh, she asked for, I think 250,000 a month

02:32:34.220 in, I think combined spousal and child support.

02:32:37.880 I think it got ruled for, uh, 120,000, I think is what she's getting per month, which like

02:32:45.480 to me is, yeah.

02:32:47.080 But then what's on top of that, but what's on top of that, because I know, you know, you

02:32:50.600 got to look at these, a lot of the celebrities and that is they have the prenups, but then

02:32:54.300 afterwards and he did Yellowstone and he did all that.

02:32:56.780 So it's, it's going to be a costly, but again, it's, I don't know everything about that.

02:33:01.780 And I kind of don't want to know, you know, um, that's their business and it's just too

02:33:07.300 bad that they're actually going through this and I feel sad for them.

02:33:10.100 Got it.

02:33:10.740 You know, it's sad for the kids, but I disagree in the fact that a divorce always has to end

02:33:15.440 badly.

02:33:16.380 You know, just because something ends, it doesn't have to end badly.

02:33:19.580 I think that's up to the two people and how they decide to end it.

02:33:23.000 And even if you're with a partner and they are behaving badly or wrong, that doesn't mean

02:33:27.760 you have to, you can control what you can do and who you are and how you want to be.

02:33:31.900 In that relationship, my last one relationship that I had for 12 years, I just made it my

02:33:36.300 goal.

02:33:36.720 I said, just because this romantic journey ended badly, it doesn't mean that we have to

02:33:42.480 end badly.

02:33:42.960 And I just, I'm going to be a gentleman.

02:33:44.800 I'm going to be kind.

02:33:46.040 I'm going to go out of my way to give her everything she wants.

02:33:48.940 And, um, yeah, she still won't talk to me.

02:33:52.460 Good times.

02:33:53.660 Good times.

02:33:54.700 Wait, was, was this a divorce or a 12 year relationship?

02:33:58.260 Okay.

02:33:58.620 Just ending of it.

02:33:59.940 Like, well, my son, well, my stepson and his mother, uh, the husband, um, they're both

02:34:05.940 fantastic.

02:34:06.760 Yeah.

02:34:07.000 And I think that's a new model of what a breakup can look like.

02:34:09.920 They get along really, really well.

02:34:11.540 They co-parent him.

02:34:13.380 Um, he's a good guy.

02:34:15.000 She's fantastic.

02:34:15.860 And it's really nice to see that that's an option because I think too many times we look

02:34:21.420 out there and we say, Oh man, I broke up.

02:34:23.180 And even the words broke up, you know, we got ripped apart.

02:34:26.680 You know, they're just so negative in their connotation.

02:34:29.240 Yeah.

02:34:29.660 I think, um, you know, look, we tried, it didn't work.

02:34:35.340 And, you know, we just want to do something else and that's okay.

02:34:38.860 That's okay.

02:34:40.280 Got it.

02:34:40.780 You found out her body count.

02:34:42.680 You dumped her.

02:34:43.940 Here's my question.

02:34:44.580 When Madison turns 21, do you guys get to like present alcohol to these things?

02:34:49.180 Oh, on here?

02:34:51.400 Yeah.

02:34:51.960 We have, we have a lot of people or drink on here.

02:34:55.480 We, uh, like, I think it would make the shows in some ways it could make them a little more

02:35:00.320 spicy, but we have concern of like, if we even, you've considered it.

02:35:05.820 Well, even someone who's over 21, it's like, Oh, uh, they brought us on the show and then

02:35:11.420 they got us drunk.

02:35:12.820 And then we said all the stupid stuff and then they're going to, it's going to be like,

02:35:15.660 exactly.

02:35:16.420 So we don't want, Oh no, I was just thinking we've been sitting here so long.

02:35:19.260 A couple of drinks would have been great.

02:35:20.700 Oh, we have some, some wine and some white, uh, white claws or something.

02:35:24.780 If you guys want any, it would have been, it'd be like bachelor in paradise.

02:35:27.900 Everybody's drunk and the inhibitions go down because you know, alcohol affects the brain,

02:35:31.940 right?

02:35:32.140 The number one thing it does is there's something in your brain that causes us to be inhibited

02:35:35.960 when you drink, that goes down.

02:35:37.460 So you become less inhibited.

02:35:39.040 But I think with the shows that I've seen of you guys, which means the body count goes

02:35:42.440 up, the shows I've seen you guys, I think everyone speaks pretty freely, especially the

02:35:47.560 panel shows and they're, they're entertaining.

02:35:50.460 They're good.

02:35:50.840 I was watching them before we came on the show and I'm like, Oh, that's entertaining.

02:35:54.120 I was like, stop watching.

02:35:55.240 You've got work to do.

02:35:56.160 Stop watching.

02:35:57.340 But yeah, they're long too.

02:35:58.300 But, uh, but you know, what's interesting is the issues are the same, you know, you guys

02:36:03.200 talk about, you know, the same dating issues we talked about in our day.

02:36:07.320 And it's nice to be able to come back here, you know, from being in that world at that

02:36:11.820 age that you guys and your panels in to come back and say, Oh God, I remember those.

02:36:16.220 And you know what?

02:36:16.760 It hasn't changed.

02:36:18.060 It's still the same.

02:36:19.000 It's still the same.

02:36:20.340 Um, okay.

02:36:20.940 I have to go feed my dogs now.

02:36:22.400 Yes.

02:36:23.160 We got a couple of chats here and then we'll wrap up the show.

02:36:25.680 We got Puffy Vegas.

02:36:26.940 I'm dyslexic.

02:36:28.060 That's why I spelled everything wrong.

02:36:30.080 Okay.

02:36:30.340 There you have it.

02:36:31.040 Now we feel bad.

02:36:32.000 Yeah.

02:36:32.500 We feel bad now.

02:36:33.620 Puffy.

02:36:34.180 I have Puffy.

02:36:35.540 What are you doing, brother?

02:36:36.340 Okay.

02:36:36.760 I have nine inches.

02:36:37.820 I didn't know.

02:36:39.040 I special.

02:36:40.560 I S okay.

02:36:41.420 I special.

02:36:42.140 Okay.

02:36:42.740 Thank you.

02:36:43.060 Puffy Vegas.

02:36:43.560 And last one, we have vapor alien first time commenting, but I absolutely love having such

02:36:50.300 a gap in age talking about dating, talking about dating.

02:36:55.800 Okay.

02:36:56.080 Well, uh, they're only like five years older than us.

02:37:00.620 It's not a big deal.

02:37:01.380 Guys, come on, come on.

02:37:02.540 They're young.

02:37:03.020 What are you, what are you talking about?

02:37:04.460 Um, final thoughts before we wrap up?

02:37:07.340 Um, I think the only other thing was, uh, do you guys feel that, uh, I know both of you

02:37:12.520 have been in rather long term relationships, but do you feel that, uh, dating has changed

02:37:18.240 significantly back when you, you guys were, you know, throughout the eighties, nineties compared

02:37:22.900 to today?

02:37:23.920 That's such a damn long question.

02:37:25.780 Give me a plot synopsis.

02:37:27.200 How about that?

02:37:27.580 I think it's changed.

02:37:28.260 I don't, I don't, I, I wouldn't want to be in it right now whatsoever.

02:37:31.420 It's, it's definitely pretty messy.

02:37:33.040 Exactly.

02:37:34.400 Well, it's good that you've been in a long relationship.

02:37:36.260 You've avoided the, uh, and my long relationship is losing her shit right now.

02:37:40.460 Cause we've got to go feed our dogs.

02:37:41.320 Sure, sure, sure.

02:37:42.120 So, yeah, what you're saying is when I watched the show, when I watched you guys, it didn't

02:37:46.780 seem like things have changed.

02:37:48.620 They still have the same issues.

02:37:50.360 Does he like me is, you know, what's the penis size?

02:37:52.840 What's the body count?

02:37:54.100 Those are all things I was concerned about at that age.

02:37:57.000 So to me, it hasn't changed.

02:37:58.580 Maybe the delivery service, you know, before we used to actually mail letters and you actually

02:38:03.420 had to go talk to somebody.

02:38:04.540 So the delivery service of using an app to date has changed.

02:38:07.660 But I think the problems haven't changed and the challenges except for now, I think as

02:38:13.260 men, you have to be much more careful what you do and what you say.

02:38:18.940 And you always have to go and go out of your way to get, you know, which rightfully it should

02:38:23.700 be to get consent.

02:38:25.680 And I think that's grooving.

02:38:27.680 I think it's great.

02:38:28.400 And I think that's probably the biggest change and a good change.

02:38:31.160 Got it.

02:38:32.060 Okay, guys, last call.

02:38:34.060 Hit the like button, please.

02:38:35.240 Oh, okay.

02:38:35.700 We have one more.

02:38:36.300 Zach KT7 donated $99.

02:38:39.740 Thank you, man.

02:38:40.200 Great show today, brain.

02:38:41.160 Thank you.

02:38:41.580 It's a nice change of pace to have some people with intellect.

02:38:45.620 All the girls in 304s got kind of tiring and mind numbing.

02:38:50.820 Great job and great guests.

02:38:53.220 Hey, Zach.

02:38:53.880 Thank you, man.

02:38:54.380 Appreciate it.

02:38:55.080 I thought it was a good conversation.

02:38:57.900 And yeah, I switched it up a little bit.

02:38:59.660 Obviously, normally we have these big seven to 10 people panels and we've got like content

02:39:05.320 creators, OF girls, college girls.

02:39:08.200 But I wanted to switch it up a little bit.

02:39:10.600 So I'm glad that you enjoyed the show.

02:39:12.620 I thought it was a fun conversation and something new.

02:39:16.420 I wanted to try something a little new.

02:39:17.900 We'll be back with our normal shows Sunday.

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02:39:22.260 I think you gifted a couple Twitch subs.

02:39:23.780 So thank you.

02:39:24.260 Thank you for tuning in tonight.

02:39:25.920 You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.

02:39:27.900 I appreciate that.

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02:39:31.540 Big thank you to Dan and Lori for joining us.

02:39:35.680 Thank you.

02:39:36.520 Dan has books here.

02:39:38.300 He has Gladiator.

02:39:40.140 Oops.

02:39:40.360 Let me hold it down here.

02:39:41.380 He's got Gladiator.

02:39:42.780 Gladiator.

02:39:43.360 And he has F dying.

02:39:45.160 So Gladiator, a true story of roids, rage, and redemption, and F dying, how cheating death

02:39:50.320 kicked my ass into loving, learning, and living my best life.

02:39:54.000 And also be sure to check out Lori's podcast, Chillin' with Ice.

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American Gladiators Special Edition w⧸ Nitro & Ice! ｜ Dating Talk #95

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