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00:02:42.520 stream and uh that's yeah that's it so without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce

00:02:48.700 themselves so please tell us your name age occupation where you're from and education go ahead okay hi my

00:02:56.680 name is shona i'm 18 years old i'm a college student here at uc santa barbara and i'm in my freshman year

00:03:02.540 and i'm from the bay area all right what are you studying i'm studying psychological and brain

00:03:06.740 sciences gotcha all right welcome what about you hi i'm caitlin also known as amaranth i am 31 and i

00:03:14.320 am a live streamer and content creator from houston all right uh any college or anything like that

00:03:20.420 university uh i went to school locally in houston for costume design for costume design yeah before

00:03:25.720 influencing gotcha you get a degree bachelor's do you no that's like a trade school yeah it's like a

00:03:31.720 trade program do you do you uh still do costume related design occasionally yeah for cosplay

00:03:38.140 conventions and stuff rock and roll and you're from texas like grew up there yes gotcha houston all

00:03:43.700 right rock and roll what about you my name is nick lee i'm 36 i'm 36 and uh i guess i do social media

00:03:52.280 work kind of behind the scenes mostly uh supporting kind of what kate does and then uh i have some well

00:03:58.260 a bachelor's degree uh in engineering finance gotcha and uh where are you from uh texas houston

00:04:05.120 yeah okay gotcha all right and uh you said you had you had a degree in what was it again it was a

00:04:12.440 finance finance and then uh engineering and what kind of uh engineer uh chemical chemical engineer

00:04:17.840 it's all chemical down there okay gotcha um before you got into some of the content stuff uh

00:04:23.780 what uh like were you working in i was briefly on wall street uh merrill lynch during the financial

00:04:32.520 crisis of 2009 yeah right before the summer right before they went under so that was a very interesting

00:04:37.860 experience then i did uh engineering after that and it was mostly like uh designing ethylene cracking

00:04:43.360 plans okay gotcha what about you i'm lola i'm 20 i'm from orange county and i'm currently a student

00:04:50.980 a barista and a nanny gotcha what are you uh studying writing and literature and all right

00:04:57.060 and you're a sophomore junior junior junior okay all right what about you i'm willow i'm 27 and i'm

00:05:04.800 from chicago i work for a car dealership but i'm also mainly the founder and owner of a community for

00:05:10.060 women called womanhood unfiltered so that's my main focus all right and any education college

00:05:16.660 um i went to the art institute but i ended up dropping out and i'm just kind of focused on

00:05:21.320 like what i do with my business i graduated high school that's about it okay all right what about

00:05:25.900 you my name is melissa i am 28 years old um i am originally from baltimore i've lived in tampa for

00:05:35.220 the past three years and i just moved to denver i got there on tuesday but i've also lived in many

00:05:41.220 other states in the past few years um i am an ifbb professional bodybuilder and i am an online coach

00:05:50.040 for both uh athletes and lifestyle clients um and for school i did not finish college i probably had

00:05:58.720 like one semester left i'm debating finishing in some kind of science okay and how long have you been

00:06:04.540 doing the bodybuilding for i have been a pro since 2020 um my first show ever was when i was 17 in

00:06:13.420 2014 can we get a most muscular and then the double by maybe a tricep can we get a little tricep

00:06:21.680 here let me maybe this angle try that can you do the other arm other yeah i like this one better

00:06:27.920 oh it looks hot nice we don't have good shadows here shoot cool cool thank you for that uh what

00:06:35.680 about you my name is savannah i'm 31 um i'm originally from nashville but i live in san diego now

00:06:41.480 um i am an office administrator for san diego jewelry buyers down in san diego um and then i also

00:06:48.780 run a flow star community in san diego and promote for local shows and yeah any education oh yeah i went

00:06:56.180 to school um in middle tennessee for uh health and nutrition you got a bachelor's degree i got my

00:07:02.120 bachelor's gotcha all right what about you hello my name is courtney i'm 31 i'm from salt lake city

00:07:10.000 utah i'm an exotic cat trainer uh specializing in savannah cats they're a hybrid species between an

00:07:17.420 african serval and a domestic house cat if you did not know that um and i have a bachelor's degree in

00:07:24.780 computer science those are the really big cats right they're not like tiger size but i would say

00:07:31.880 imagine a cheetah but like half the size but they're a size of a medium dog okay yeah imagine

00:07:38.380 a cheetah but half the size i mean that's pretty big i think and uh did you say your education sorry

00:07:45.320 i might have missed that yes i've completed a bachelor's degree in computer science yes comp

00:07:50.940 side okay all right what about you uh yeah my name is andrew wilson i'm the host of the crucible

00:07:56.480 i'm a political pundit a commentator i do debates all around the world and uh conversations all around

00:08:03.240 the world as well um mostly via video i don't like actually like physically going around the world but i

00:08:09.040 do like having conversations so uh that's who i am thank you all for having me i'm happy to have

00:08:13.640 this conversation today all right welcome everybody we're gonna go around the table once more what's

00:08:17.920 your current relationship status if you're single how long have you been single and what's the

00:08:22.400 longest relationship you've ever been in um i'm currently single i've never been in a relationship

00:08:29.160 before but i mean like i'm talking to someone right now okay how long have you been talking to them

00:08:34.860 um well we're like hanging out before but we've just been like talking more and spending more time

00:08:39.600 together in the last few weeks but it's been like since school started okay uh so like just what

00:08:45.960 three four weeks or something something like that yeah okay and when you say you're just talking what

00:08:51.820 does that entail just spending time together and hanging out getting to know each other going on

00:08:56.160 dates or going to his dorm room or yeah hanging out okay what about you i've been married to this guy

00:09:04.000 for about 10 years all right married how long were you guys uh dating for i think about a year and a

00:09:10.620 half gotcha so about together almost two uh 12 years yeah total does that sound right 14

00:09:17.520 yeah it's getting there getting there and so you guys got married after you said a year and a half

00:09:23.140 or so yeah gotcha and uh any other relationships before that for for you um just like dating like

00:09:31.540 six months at a time but nothing serious gotcha okay all right uh well i imagine your answer is a bit

00:09:38.520 the same so married to her for yeah 10 years yeah that part of it's the same um i had kind of a

00:09:44.840 wild 20 to 25 but yeah so some other uh any other long-term relationships no no like nothing

00:09:51.760 passed about dating around yeah gotcha okay all right and uh how did you guys meet tinder back when

00:09:58.280 it was a real oh yeah like before pay to win in 24 pay to win i like that uh before uh yeah that

00:10:05.840 was that was like the i think it came out in 2012 ish so that's pretty early on and uh okay so

00:10:12.600 you you dated for a year and a half you met on tinder and uh have you guys ever has it was it ever

00:10:20.460 on again off again at any points or pretty much just smooth on a straight through you know we've had

00:10:26.980 some crazy fights but it's always been yeah never an actual break no breaks gotcha okay all right

00:10:33.920 uh i'm sure i've i'll have some more questions uh as the show progresses but what about you i'm in a

00:10:39.620 relationship and my longest relationship was for two and a half years gotcha uh how long has your

00:10:45.520 current relationship been a month and a half so you were on the show previously were you on in a

00:10:51.840 relationship last time you were on the show no you asked me this question and i told you i was in

00:10:56.800 a relationship ah it's so upgraded yeah to a full relationship yeah boyfriend yep okay a month

00:11:05.640 and a half who popped the question um him kind of as a result of seeing the podcast which is a little

00:11:13.500 funny wow you owe me something i don't know so i was gonna say so you were on the show you were in

00:11:20.720 a situation ship your uh your your guy you were seeing what he watched the show i guess and uh i

00:11:27.760 honestly don't even think so um our other friends had watched the show and i guess it had just come

00:11:32.420 up in conversation and i mentioned to him like some joke that was like hey sorry i kind of it might

00:11:39.640 have been obvious it was about you because our friends were watching it um and uh yeah i told him

00:11:46.200 that i said i was in a situation ship and then you know snowballed to a conversation yeah okay

00:11:51.800 got it so all right thanks yeah you're welcome wow we're really you know people come on the whatever

00:11:58.280 podcast and they find love and we've actually set up a lot of people have you know met through this

00:12:06.780 anyways um what about you i'm single uh i've been single like outside of serious relationships for about

00:12:13.620 three years i've kind of dated around the past few months but i did it for choice and then dating

00:12:18.680 is just like really bad in your 20s it's like no fun so i stay single my longest relationship was

00:12:23.780 four years four years is that the one that ended about three years ago no that one was like a year

00:12:30.040 and a half ago that relationship ended when i was about 21 or 22 ish gotcha who ended uh the

00:12:37.620 your longest relationship um it was kind of like a mutual thing between the both of us but he more

00:12:43.200 so was the last person to block finally but it was really really toxic like blocking sending each

00:12:47.920 other emails he was an alcoholic so he spent a lot of time like when he was sober he'd never talk to

00:12:53.320 me and then he'd get like blackout drunk and call me every single day for like four years of my life

00:12:57.640 so it's a lot of fun good times oh it's exciting good times love that um yeah and your most recent

00:13:04.460 relationship which you said was about three years ago which you said it was about a year yeah that was

00:13:09.140 like a little over a year but um after a year of hating um that was very actually finish that

00:13:14.440 sentence after a year of hating after your year of hating each other we actually became best friends

00:13:18.780 oh he knows we're watching i'm not gonna say names but he knows i'm on here today he's watching so

00:13:23.960 hi we love you it's a good foundation for any friendship or prior hate yeah block each other

00:13:30.340 what about you um i am single and my last relationship which was also my longest relationship

00:13:38.400 ended in 2021 we worked together for almost two years all right who broke up with who i broke up

00:13:46.180 with him gotcha all right any particular reason we didn't like each other didn't like each other

00:13:52.080 but how long were you dating two years almost didn't like each other but dating for it was like a

00:13:58.340 comfort thing it was the kind of thing like i was i was doing my stuff you know like working

00:14:03.820 training whatever um i think as i or he what he kept claiming to be you know in love with me but

00:14:13.440 would always tell me all these things he didn't like about me so i thought about it i was like

00:14:17.700 you think you love me but you don't like me and i think we should find people that we like

00:14:23.460 and um i yeah i wanted relief from that so okay all right what about you um i am single at the

00:14:33.860 moment uh my longest relationship i would say usually they tap out after a year and a half or

00:14:40.280 two years um my last relationship ended two years ago and you say they tap out after sorry how long

00:14:47.840 a year a year and a half to two years yeah when you say they tap out like all of my relationships

00:14:52.720 like the longer ones i've had they've usually lasted like a year and a half or two years

00:14:56.200 but you're framing of tap out like that's like is it such an onslaught

00:15:01.500 this is where things like fizzle out like remote romantically and emotionally where it's like this

00:15:07.120 isn't working in that way um i've been able to maintain friendships with a couple of my exes

00:15:12.880 okay and like i have relationships with them still to this day in a friendship but gotcha

00:15:17.180 yeah okay so you've been single for two years yeah all right uh and you said your longest would

00:15:24.400 typically a year and a half two years yeah gotcha what about you um let's see current i'm in i'm

00:15:32.040 currently in a relationship and we've been together for eight months um my longest would have to be

00:15:40.680 my marriage my failed marriage uh that was five years um and yeah we have a daughter so all right

00:15:48.520 so you're divorced correct correct uh all right and you were together uh six years you said

00:15:55.740 married married okay we were married two and a half dating for a total of together for a total of five

00:16:02.740 gotcha uh and sorry remind me your age again 31 31 okay gotcha and uh how long you've been single

00:16:10.260 for is well i currently belong to someone oh sorry you're currently in a relationship together for

00:16:14.940 eight months eight months gotcha okay sorry i got my wires crossed there all right who initiated the

00:16:20.360 divorce that would be me okay does he pay you alimony no he um he passed away oh sorry to hear

00:16:32.600 that um okay and you said you had one kid right yeah we have one daughter and that's with your ex

00:16:40.220 yeah my past yes my yes him okay gotcha all right what about you yeah i'm married all right andrew is

00:16:50.620 married how long you've been married andrew long time i don't fucking know he forgot it's been so long

00:16:55.380 he forgot been married forever all right rock and roll uh okay cool so that's everybody's uh relationship

00:17:01.380 status i did want to get into some of the the notes here that i had just one moment while i

00:17:08.960 get those pulled up uh kate did you submit any notes or maybe you texted them um you said you wanted

00:17:17.180 to talk about like stalkers yeah yeah yeah you asked me if there's any prompts that were fun what's the

00:17:22.220 story there oh gosh what year was it do you remember is that the last house 2018 17 somewhere around

00:17:29.580 there we had a guy from estonia try to come and it seems like marry me because he had a ring that he

00:17:36.980 said he got from his grandmother and he sold everything he had in estonia including his house

00:17:43.000 and his cat to come find me in texas and was live streaming the whole thing even had like a donation

00:17:48.700 goal before he got to america of flight to houston and i reported it to twitch but he just kept making

00:17:54.280 new accounts and so in some ways it was useful to keep tabs on him but it was very unhinged behavior

00:18:00.180 uh psychotic so that was a that was a time he did come to the house and try to get into the house

00:18:05.860 and he came back multiple times to even after being arrested yikes okay so you have a restraining order

00:18:11.740 or i don't even know if they they we had a it expires after like two years or something like that but

00:18:17.860 then like uh there's a crazy conversation that that kind of uh starts where it's like uh he had a

00:18:23.300 from estonia he had actually a working visa for a company in miami and he just didn't go and then

00:18:29.200 even after um you know they kind of made him skip town because the police in houston they don't really

00:18:33.980 know they're just kind of like okay you can't come here anymore and then he went back to miami and

00:18:38.240 apparently picked up the job anyways so it's kind of like i don't know what the hiring standards are

00:18:42.600 or i don't know what his skill set was but they kind of just waited an extra couple of months

00:18:46.040 and he just showed up yeah and you guys have uh yeah you had a i'm sorry a break in

00:18:52.840 recently too or something i saw online yeah i don't really see the whole the details but i mean

00:18:58.220 you guys um you're in texas right you guys have firearms or i do i have a lot of guns yeah a lot

00:19:04.660 of guns okay maybe you and andrew can andrew also has a lot of firearms um have you ever had to like

00:19:11.540 shoot anybody he did well not prior to that moment like uh in fact i always thought like you know like

00:19:18.280 one guy might break in one day but like you know three is a hypothetical like i don't i don't do

00:19:23.120 anything with the cartel so it should be fine so like uh i had a shotgun and a handgun but like

00:19:28.480 because she was essentially being held hostage shotgun was kind of out of the question so gotcha

00:19:34.120 andrew it sounded like you had a question or did you kill him how many of them no no it's three guys

00:19:39.380 uh all wearing masks hoodies uh they seem like they've done they'd done something before but

00:19:44.420 never a hostage because they they mismanaged that pretty thankfully pretty badly um they all had

00:19:50.520 guns and one guy had this ridiculous like super extended mag thing uh i remember i kept bumping

00:19:55.640 into tables and stuff with it um but uh they kind of uh i mean they there's a complication there is

00:20:02.320 that like she was in front of them and they were marching her you know kind of to my location but

00:20:06.660 they didn't know i was there uh and so for me it was like it's not like in the movies you can't

00:20:11.400 you can't take that hero shot in like in that situation and so my whole gamble was that if i

00:20:17.360 yelled get down would she actually drop or would she create enough distance that there would actually

00:20:22.880 be a shot right um and it was the i joke about it now but it's like uh you know if i yell get down

00:20:28.940 like half the time she'd probably uh say why uh in that case she dropped to the floor super low

00:20:35.320 and then unfortunately all three of them lined up and so i only had a shot of one and so i fired um

00:20:41.500 and then like uh what they don't tell you is that like in that situation uh you know you're adrenaline

00:20:46.760 peaks yeah and so there's something called like auditory uh exclusion and so like time slows down

00:20:53.160 or speeds up yeah yeah for me no sound it's like in uh in saving private ryan it's like the white noise

00:20:58.060 thing because i remember like firing and then i was like oh no did i like forget my safety did it jam

00:21:03.440 and i had to look at it and watch the bullet finish you know a little closer acting closer

00:21:07.520 oh sorry you're good you're good the bullet finished ejecting and then you know i fired twice

00:21:11.260 more as visual confirmation because i couldn't hear it even though i'm the one closest to the gun

00:21:15.320 um and so like common for hunters too yeah they'll fire the shot never hear it go when your adrenaline's

00:21:20.660 pumping um hit him in the lower gut he bled a lot um enough that uh that his his uh buddies had to

00:21:27.880 drop him off at the hospital directly after and then that was kind of the first lead and then you know

00:21:32.020 from there it's association and all that how many times she hit him uh just one time um i was

00:21:38.140 definitely i mean i was very nervous but also it's just like she's still in oh yeah it's fucking i

00:21:43.080 mean that's terrifying yeah yeah so i'm absolutely terrifying yeah yeah yeah and so uh no didn't

00:21:48.480 didn't uh one hit uh can't tell if the other one one of them like franged a bit um and then one just

00:21:53.800 a miss um what were you using it was a nine millimeter uh staccato cs

00:21:59.000 and these guys had like extended mag glocks glocks yeah yeah yeah we kept the bullet holes in the

00:22:08.040 wall as a reminder just curious for the black guys you know uh like one or two of them were like hard

00:22:15.940 it's like the some kind of mix or something and then one yeah and then the driver was like hispanic

00:22:20.920 yeah they had some hispanic names and they they arrested all they're all like half something yeah

00:22:25.660 why did they target you um so they know like did they know you guys were is that what it was um i

00:22:32.340 don't know if they knew who i was like on a fan level but uh they definitely knew that i was worth

00:22:37.460 a lot according to like the crypto numbers that articles have posted online yeah it's on two levels

00:22:42.400 you could say the tweet um that we had made ourselves um but really it was like her uh kind of

00:22:48.780 getting called out by uh hasan's people and then they kind of went crazy and then the news articles

00:22:55.580 wrote about that situation but they like to hyperlink the previous article and so that's how

00:23:00.680 that thing went kind of hyper viral 100 million impressions and then these guys you know were just

00:23:05.600 like had no idea who she was just was like oh crypto like you know that's a thing we can yeah

00:23:10.580 so what was her big plan they were going to ransom her for crypto right it's not bitcoin is not

00:23:14.860 actually untraceable it's no it's not i know and so it makes no sense but they were tunnel visioning

00:23:20.060 uh so hard because like uh so she it was like sorry sorry sorry you're good uh it was like taken

00:23:25.800 right like because she calls me and then puts on speaker phones like is that you and i hear like a

00:23:31.060 loud banging on the door and i was like that's not even the that's not even the front door that's

00:23:34.460 the master bedroom door right um and then like moments later you know they busted the door down

00:23:39.180 and hear it crash and they're in there yelling and for us uh historically uh anytime there's a bump

00:23:44.760 in the night or like an intrusion it's actually like a swatting right and so my first instinct

00:23:49.280 is never to grab the gun because that's kind of because that's the way you get shot exactly yeah

00:23:52.700 and but luckily they they immediately were like you know where is it where is it she's like what

00:23:57.400 are you talking about like the crypto and i was like that's not the cops and and so that's when

00:24:01.440 it kind of like are they looking for a physical drive yeah they took my phone and uh we were

00:24:06.560 browsing through the apps for coinbase that's how it works it's still on speakerphone they're tunnel

00:24:12.680 visioning so hard on finding the crypto app that i'm on speaker the guy is looking through the phone

00:24:18.120 and i was like he's gonna say something to me right and i kind of like waited and like he just never

00:24:22.220 noticed the call was running and it kept running that was like my intel like uh you know like tell

00:24:27.460 of like kind of what they were doing you know roughly where they were or whatever yeah that is that

00:24:32.480 is wild crazy so did they so the cops got them all they all in jail now uh yeah they're about to

00:24:39.000 be tried uh the driver flipped really hard uh because you know he's like kind of co-partied

00:24:44.020 to that and they're facing uh you know just to start two counts of five to 99 in texas

00:24:48.780 what is that five five to 99 years oh five to 99 it's like a robber yeah they don't mess around

00:24:54.920 in texas when it comes to that stuff yeah is what they used yeah well good man i mean i know you're

00:25:02.300 not supposed to say this and stuff but like i'm glad you got the bastard oh yeah yeah i'm usually the guy

00:25:08.080 who make like lets the spider outside but like in that moment i would have probably like done

00:25:12.140 something well you have every right to defend yourself they break into your home dude uh and so

00:25:16.460 anybody here do only fans or is it just you kate i have one oh you have you have no of okay yes

00:25:25.260 not super like active on it um is it like bodybuilding stuff or is it like adult content stuff it's

00:25:32.700 essentially an extension of stuff that i would post on instagram i don't do um no nudity or anything

00:25:38.680 no nudes okay don't like all the bodybuilders do that basically yeah i mean my my whole thing with

00:25:45.060 it it's like if i have it like i like and i feel like i should be more active on it and like just

00:25:52.980 like utilize it but i i'm not really i respect people who like do it like for real and are like

00:26:00.440 making bank on it i don't like like it doesn't align with me but like i have it and i feel like

00:26:08.400 i did it because there is this crossover between that stuff and the fitness bodybuilding world and

00:26:12.900 i'm like well you know it makes sense i might like if people are looking at me i might as well

00:26:16.440 make some money off of it but it doesn't feel good to me so i'm kind of in this like limbo with it

00:26:23.240 yeah but yeah going back to you though kate so you you got into of pretty early on right

00:26:29.300 um for like 2019 ish and were you doing like patreon before that yeah it was are there before

00:26:36.620 like of kind of emerged as this really giant platform was there it was mostly people doing

00:26:43.160 patreon before that right or was there something kind of like of before of it was mainly patreon

00:26:48.200 you're right mainly patreon and um and when did you start like you do like adult type content is it

00:26:57.500 is it semi-nude nude what what do you post on there oh it's kind of a mixture okay yeah it just

00:27:03.340 really depends on like i guess what people are requesting okay gotcha and um i i've seen some

00:27:10.760 things online you mentioned also with this home invasion story that there was i guess some like

00:27:15.820 news stories about like whoa she has this much crypto and she makes this much money um in terms of

00:27:21.100 the home invasion it sounded like they were after some like crypto hard drives or something um did

00:27:28.100 you have you disclosed how much crypto you have like publicly or um we disclosed like how much we

00:27:35.660 had at one point but not like the current amount what what did you disclose previously or if you i'm

00:27:40.700 sure if you want to disclose current that's fine too it would have been equivalent to like in the tens of

00:27:44.700 millions but like tens of millions it was more so of a like hey uh you know this was crazy but

00:27:49.760 like not that we actualized it at the current price which is way higher gotcha if that makes

00:27:54.620 sense and it was an older tweet too like that's what i'm saying like the article dug it up because

00:27:57.960 it was from like a year and eight months ago or something like that gotcha and then you've uh kate

00:28:03.000 you've also i think on some other podcasts mentioned in terms of your income from only fans it's quite

00:28:08.620 substantial from what i've seen these are older interviews maybe from a year or two ago um is there an

00:28:15.200 updated number in terms of total total earnings i haven't done the math to update it in a long

00:28:21.060 time um i don't remember do you remember gross is a eight digit seven handle so in the 70 plus

00:28:31.780 million range gross 70 like 74 75 okay gotcha and uh in a year in a like a one-year period what's the

00:28:41.000 most that you've made oh i know it was really high during the covid years especially it was running

00:28:48.540 at over like two million a month okay just a hair shy of 30 and 22 wow um and what how much does uncle

00:28:57.380 sam get yeah too you know it's always too much but uh we do a lot of all right i do a lot of real

00:29:05.000 estate things that do uh 100 bonus depreciation from the 16 uh you know taxes and jobs act and

00:29:11.660 then also more recently they just rolled a new one so um as little tax leakage as possible legally

00:29:17.280 well i mean good right that's what you're supposed to do right absolutely yeah yeah i'm i'm sure that

00:29:23.220 that's a pretty high tax bracket yeah yeah yeah but i mean that's just from the the only fans you're

00:29:30.360 also a twitch streamer you also i imagine do other things too i guess really quick just finishing off

00:29:36.460 on the of thing uh most in one day i don't think i've ever calculated that before um six figures

00:29:44.580 i think i think so i don't know if there's a higher one but there's a quarter million dollar day

00:29:50.900 quarter quarter mil yeah okay and let's see um you also i'm trying to remember it wasn't

00:30:00.560 like belle delphine should did this bath water thing didn't you do something similar oh yeah my

00:30:05.940 hot tub water when the hot tub meadow was really strong on twitch okay yeah and the beer oh yeah you

00:30:11.220 had the beer what's the um there's a company that contacted me from poland i think it's like yoni

00:30:16.940 is the company and they make beer uh that's matches the profile of women's vagina yeast

00:30:24.000 they'll like you send in a sample and they'll replicate the agriculture amount and the agriculture

00:30:30.260 that's the word they use i might have been a translation something about like uh they just

00:30:36.960 recreate that profile they like grew it is what they were describing i know what you're talking

00:30:41.480 about they made beer out of your vagina yeast they're like we're gonna grow it

00:30:45.860 we're gonna get take the sample and grow more based on the you can make profile of the vagina

00:30:52.120 yeast you can make beer from that there's a chick who makes sourdough with her yeast

00:30:58.360 wow she like went viral on tiktok for making bread literally yeah oh my gosh

00:31:02.820 what the name of degeneracy is going on here wow damn that's uh okay um you learn something new every

00:31:11.700 day yeah um okay so can you bring me some non-vagina yeast beer bro i appreciate it

00:31:18.820 you why didn't you you should have really brought this one as a gift by the way i feel a bit insulted

00:31:23.340 just just say we should have do we we have any bottles left there's like a what maybe not for

00:31:28.360 a handful of bottles left yeah we're not sure what to do with them

00:31:31.240 i'm just saying it's just not really not very considerate of you guys sorry have forgotten

00:31:38.260 forgotten us now i'm just messing we need to do another run yeah it's limited oh it's a limited

00:31:42.500 supply yeah it's probably sitting on some shelves somewhere oh i'm sure we have like three or four

00:31:46.340 bottles and that's it we don't know what to do with the last few yeah have you sold it

00:31:49.560 um yeah they uh the company did we we haven't sold any yeah they sold out real fast and a lot of

00:31:55.660 it was like as you'd imagine like youtubers tiktokers who wanted to do like a viral video yeah

00:32:00.500 right um that only helps the marketing for that drinking vagina beer they were other things i mean

00:32:05.880 they did uh smoking bongs with the the hot tub water so it's like you know it's kind of like

00:32:10.780 we live in a society uh how much did you make from the bath water hot tub water

00:32:18.460 stuff six figures yeah it was over six figures i don't know that there was a final amount all of

00:32:26.980 that stuff is just marketing that actually pays you to market and it was like approaching

00:32:30.440 six figures i think it's right under yeah gotcha okay are you gonna sell your bath tub water

00:32:34.100 you know what i've contemplated i have contemplated it um it's in the works it's maybe we can link up to

00:32:41.360 some sort of i'll do a hot tub stream with you guys that's still the we can be bottling it on stream

00:32:46.560 oh there you go there you go um let's see i had another question on this uh something oh um vagina

00:32:55.060 yeast but really like that's yeah apparently it tastes really good too i've been told they still

00:33:00.900 do it but just not for specific girls right now i i didn't try because it just i don't know i tried

00:33:07.040 it yeah that might be a little morbid to drink your own vagina yeast beer yeah i could see where that

00:33:11.540 could be a little uh and then uh hold on uh oh i also recall you you you i don't know if you still

00:33:19.680 do this like asmr stuff yeah do you still do that or not i dabble dabble yeah youtube like deleted

00:33:27.000 uh all my channels including the asmr channel so they wouldn't tell me i was just rant you wake up

00:33:33.220 one day yeah literally okay damn crazy um they're no strike now you're one of the larger streamers on

00:33:39.180 twitch too right yeah so um i i don't know who is hassan bigger than you are as far as live viewers

00:33:46.620 yeah yeah i did a kick contract for two years and kind of like i mean when you write your peak on

00:33:52.200 twitch before you um yeah i would say hassan's always been like more concurrent guys yeah gotcha

00:33:57.860 yeah you you moved to kick for a little bit yeah i did gotcha what why the change back uh the

00:34:06.100 contract ended end of the contract okay gotcha all right twitch sucks

00:34:11.420 twitch sucks and has terrible tos and is awful right

00:34:17.100 lots of things happen there they're pretty bad that's well i mean it's bad for politics i mean i

00:34:24.340 don't know about like booby girls or whatever but it's bad for politics bad for politics oh it's

00:34:28.840 bad for e-girls too they're cracking on both yeah uh you in your notes you had said you wanted to

00:34:34.380 speak on the morality of only fans what were your thoughts there oh i was wondering everyone's

00:34:39.360 opinions i think it's fun uh to go around with like okay thoughts sure um well i i assume since you

00:34:47.220 do only fans you're probably in favor of sex work i imagine no issues there yeah i mean i don't have

00:34:53.560 a problem with it what about you i don't have any major problem with sex work and i i don't think

00:34:58.980 that we should stigmatize women who do it as much as we do okay your thoughts i mean um i kind of just

00:35:06.220 go with the flow i don't have an opinion just look sorry you're good i don't really have an opinion

00:35:11.320 it's kind of just uh maybe not the most favorable thing but it's something that people are going to

00:35:15.720 engage in either way so they can do actually though for people really quick before we dive into that

00:35:20.480 topic i have a question for you um so you've been with kate for almost 12 years when you first met

00:35:28.980 her she i don't imagine you were doing any form of sex work at least when you guys first met

00:35:33.980 uh i'm imagining about midway into the relationship uh you do start either on patreon or on only fans you

00:35:42.100 do start getting involved engaged in sex work um was this like a mutual kind of push where how did

00:35:51.220 you feel because i i've heard some guys are like i don't know how i feel about my girl doing this kind

00:35:56.540 of stuff so what was when i guess that sort of came about very initially in the beginning did you have

00:36:03.900 thoughts on that um i wasn't like it was a way more diluted version of it i guess like on patreon

00:36:12.780 it's like uh you know you might gate a bikini picture um behind paywall right yeah they were a

00:36:19.240 lot more strict um i still remember it was like one of the cosplayers that she followed and looked up to

00:36:24.340 who was you know kind of big at the time she announced that she had made 8 000 a month on patreon

00:36:29.360 and like at that point in time still like cosplay and mostly online stuff it's like an artist starving

00:36:35.960 artist like enclave and so like 8 000 was all the money in the world and um i think you kind of just

00:36:42.740 replicated you know some of the things and like you know the bikinis aren't even as lewd or whatever

00:36:47.120 and so for me that was just like i mean this could have gone on instagram and so i had no problem with

00:36:52.000 it yeah okay and it kind of just as it grew it was kind of just like a mutual discussion per i

00:36:59.320 guess level of like more not safer work you get and then we just saw an opportunity and like i don't

00:37:04.660 i don't collab with other guys on it right he's the only guy i've ever been with so it's a lot of

00:37:09.240 solo stuff so it really came up as an issue okay so you don't do external uh bg content no do you guys

00:37:17.200 do bg content together no yeah we've we've uh you know taken advantage of uh like uh you know how

00:37:23.540 the talk goes and like sometimes we'll do like a tiktok or like a story where there's like

00:37:28.560 implication that there might be another person there and then they might even show up but like

00:37:32.320 it never actually makes its way into the the content yeah okay but you guys haven't actually

00:37:36.040 done anything together on that okay and has any of the of stuff created any relationship issues at all

00:37:47.840 any conflict um no i don't think it's like not the of stuff yeah i mean it's like uh it's more just

00:37:56.600 you know working with your spouse is like a whole different ball game uh i don't think it's specific

00:38:02.100 to of i think it's just more specific to you know uh us working together and like i joke that we're

00:38:07.960 like you know married maybe 20 years because like you know what is the average person's uh how much

00:38:12.500 time does the average person spend with their spouse in a year right we're like i think what

00:38:17.060 within 40 feet of each other for the last 11 years yeah that's got to be doubling up on you know um how

00:38:24.780 much time you spend together so yeah because he does like all the analytical parts of uh social media

00:38:30.560 and the strategy and stuff like that and i just for the longest time would just live stream and then i

00:38:35.640 would film content do you have other people come in and film film your scenes like we've had other

00:38:41.200 girl photographers in the past but now mostly just a tripod oh gosh it's scaled back uh during the

00:38:46.540 heyday um we had like teams of people and then they would come up with everything ideas and stuff

00:38:51.080 it's very professionalized kind of like what you guys have here is like her getting run through a

00:38:55.600 list of like possible topics trending things things that are working and then her kind of checking off

00:38:59.820 what she wanted to do and then they would just film and they would like knock it all out in one day

00:39:03.800 in a month and then that was kind of the yeah but to be clear sorry yeah go ahead there's

00:39:11.040 you don't do any other male to female content no just solo stuff yeah because i i did i don't want

00:39:20.700 to do some r&d before i came and i did subscribe and i was like okay and i thought i saw because i can

00:39:27.800 usually tell but maybe it's just toy manufacturing has gotten very very good but i promise it was it

00:39:34.800 looked very real thank you it's funny because the brand uh of that toy is called real you know

00:39:41.880 did you just say that you subscribe to her for r&d oh okay yeah she's a girl's girl you can't hate

00:39:48.340 so the brand she was had a sale it's called real c you know asterisk ck that's what those are called

00:39:56.340 yeah because they are hyper realistic so now it's 30 million and 15 yeah is that because of you put it

00:40:02.240 oh that's what it's okay yeah real chicken yeah does it bother does it bother you at all like

00:40:11.700 that there's thousands tens of thousands millions of men just being fucking degenerate gooners

00:40:20.020 over your wife does that bother you at all i guess i've always approached it from like you know uh

00:40:26.100 who doesn't want to be potentially married to like a an a-list uh you know a hollywood star right

00:40:31.600 and it's like that happens whether she makes you know like any kind of content like that or not

00:40:36.380 you know like it's unavoidable and so it's almost just like if it's happening you know like somewhere

00:40:41.660 then does it i mean it definitely happens more though no yeah for sure like significantly more

00:40:46.240 right so yeah that's i i guess that's that's the heart of the questions it's always hard for people i

00:40:52.540 think to reconcile myself included you know what i mean like if you're if you're significant other

00:40:58.360 is undressing for people to see you know what i mean and doing other things i'm guessing that

00:41:03.440 there's other scenes that you do masturbatory things like that i'm guessing that that's like

00:41:08.280 it's got it's got to be tough to watch though right thank you no i think maybe like i i agree if i was

00:41:16.320 dating someone who was doing of before i was kind of steeped in all the the thing i think so but because

00:41:22.140 of the way it kind of started we were kind of on the thing together like every part of it was like

00:41:27.980 huh is this something that uh we would do potentially and and if so like for what right

00:41:33.200 um and i think when the decisions are made in that way it's a little different it feels like there was

00:41:38.440 either of us could have basically been against it and that probably would have been the end of it

00:41:42.960 um but both of us were kind of on board and then we could kind of tap out whenever uh we wanted to

00:41:49.040 in theory are you gonna have kids uh we kind of decided when we were dating that we didn't want

00:41:54.600 kids yeah yeah we spent a lot of time with my brother's three kids and that's kind of the way

00:41:59.860 she gets the the kids feel yeah a lot of animals the question that comes up obviously all the time

00:42:05.380 i'm sure you've heard it before is like what happens when little johnny right comes home and it's like

00:42:09.940 i got beat up at school because you know people are like look at your mom and like what's the

00:42:16.480 navigational principle there even if you have kids that aren't yours but are around that could

00:42:21.280 happen to them too right especially uh considering if people are breaking into your house i'm guessing

00:42:26.120 and i yeah i hate even saying that but i'm guessing you've been talked all over the place like most of

00:42:31.360 us have right um so i mean that's a real possibility right so how do you navigate that i have a variant

00:42:37.360 perception on that like i when i hear it's kind of like i don't know like uh i can see where that

00:42:42.300 logic you know kind of uh comes from um and especially like if you say like uh you know

00:42:47.480 like in the mid-2000s little johnny grew up and his mom was like one of the first online you know

00:42:52.960 p stars that'd be kind of a i think that'd be pretty bad right but like i think going forward the way i

00:42:58.700 see it of became so ubiquitous and then like you know it's still not like fully like you know like a

00:43:05.780 a p company studio production yeah i actually think that like no one's going to care by that

00:43:12.040 time it rolls around and we already have those kids like we have reports of kids getting bullied

00:43:15.740 over it and then there was that one kid he uh he you know he unalived himself right because

00:43:21.000 of the incessant like kids are cruel right they can't help themselves it's part of how they engage

00:43:26.180 with the world especially young men you know like you probably remember when you were in school

00:43:30.180 you know we're all assholes so i mean i fully expect that that's not going to change right

00:43:36.380 i think i mean this is probably a din view of society but i think that like

00:43:41.080 you know having uh financial resources is going to be way more important than like that social aspect

00:43:48.320 because like especially now like i mean sure you can bully a kid for his mom doing of but you can

00:43:52.900 bully a kid for anything or nothing at all and incessantly 24 7 yeah but it's like scalable

00:43:57.740 right so if if you're getting bullied for being fat it's like okay you can lose weight

00:44:02.140 right if you're getting bullied for being ugly maybe you could do some things about that which

00:44:06.320 uh which kids behalf of bullying with men for instance is part of that like look you need to

00:44:11.680 get your shit together right uh in order to be part of the in group which can't like take that part

00:44:16.860 away right you can't take that you could be you could even be like well mom quit mom stopped doing

00:44:22.260 it and uh they don't like we don't care they got the videos right in the in the information age

00:44:27.560 i think isn't isn't it like scalable that way i actually think um i feel worse for the people who

00:44:34.100 are going to get bullied whose mom didn't do of because like how hard is it to be like

00:44:38.440 i found his mom's of and she never did it what do you mean i mean everyone uses a screen name you

00:44:44.820 just have to find someone who kind of similarly look like you know their mom potentially would at a

00:44:48.980 younger age you can like there's going to be kids manufacturing that as a way to bully and so

00:44:53.760 like yeah but there's still you can still uh hide behind the fact of the matter right so like

00:44:58.940 if it's the case that you're you're saying like but yeah i got it where it's going but the fact of

00:45:04.060 the matter is and when we're looking at ai here's something that's interesting because you bring up

00:45:08.740 a good point i hadn't thought about this before like okay well they could just make the shit up

00:45:12.800 anyway right i was in a discord call the other day with a zoomer i was talking to i don't remember

00:45:17.980 some politics something and he sent me an ai video and i had to take a double take at it

00:45:23.200 like i thought at first it was when i realized something important which is that because of

00:45:28.420 this age gap i got great social skills zoomers didn't really get great social skills they got

00:45:33.420 different skills and one skill they have is when it's fake media they can fucking tell in five seconds

00:45:39.840 like it's crazy they can just look at it and be like nope that shit's fake look at this this this

00:45:44.160 you can they can tell that shit and it's because their brains have been wired towards that and mine

00:45:49.580 was not right it was wired towards having social interactions so that built a different skill set

00:45:54.320 zoomers they have a completely different way in which they engage with the world so i'm not

00:45:59.700 i guess i'm not all that convinced that even if ai advances if your mind is being wired with the ai

00:46:05.960 as it advances it seems like you can tell way easier when it's bullshit i definitely think there's an

00:46:11.440 element of that like it's very bad for like boomery people like i had a therapist show you know i don't

00:46:16.900 know why i did it in the middle of a session he showed me an elon musk video that i was like

00:46:19.800 i i didn't i didn't know how to tell him that that's not elon musk saying that right but like uh on that

00:46:26.160 note um i would love to see the study where it's like you know able to tell that that's uh ai but like

00:46:32.680 what is that person's position on the video because what i've found is that if you want to believe it

00:46:37.260 you're gonna buy the ai and it's like kind of like a lot of times when you're neutral or you

00:46:42.340 don't want to believe it where you start looking at it critically and you'll see the seams if you

00:46:46.180 want to believe it and that's the bullying part right if uh you know your kid wants to bully my kid

00:46:51.220 even if she never was on of boom ai there's a video look at that and especially if your kid's

00:46:56.380 popular just point it around look his mom's on of right and that can happen to anyone's kids whether

00:47:00.820 their mom did or didn't do it yeah but like i said i agree but you still have the fact on your side

00:47:05.460 and so it's at least something to give you vindication like hey this isn't even true right

00:47:10.080 this is nonsense i agree with you that you could you could do this with anything but i think that

00:47:15.120 you at least have a shield if you're like no that that's all that's all bullshit my mom you know my

00:47:20.020 mom is a dietician in chicago okay she's not she's never done any of that um and i i do think that their

00:47:26.800 brains are wired a little different where they can tell like and they even they even have the name

00:47:31.180 right ai slop that's ai slop say i slop that's ai garbage they can tell

00:47:35.220 in five seconds it's because that technology they're growing with it and to us we're being

00:47:39.760 introduced to it you know rather than having it part of the relational you know now maybe you and

00:47:46.240 i different because we're streamers so you probably see ai slop all the time right like constantly

00:47:50.880 everywhere that you're looking but for the average per i don't think that's the case at all i think

00:47:55.020 that uh zoomers are seeing a lot of it and they're messing with it and they're playing with it they're

00:47:58.580 playing with the music they're playing with everything but they seem like they can detect it pretty

00:48:02.360 easy and anytime you have uh like um like a generation which is interacting with a specific

00:48:08.720 type of ai or not ai technology it seems like they can spot when when things are faked by that

00:48:15.380 technology much easier for now for now how will it be in 10 years yeah i don't know you know uh i've

00:48:22.700 been hearing that about ai for a long time and um you know i remember the old chat bots you know the

00:48:28.640 old chat bots used to be able to search the internet and pull all kinds of stuff up too

00:48:31.880 it's uh i know that people are really kind of getting behind the old ai is going to take over

00:48:37.400 the world thing i'm pretty skeptical we have to be clear between a functional generation with programs

00:48:43.760 that can create pictures out of just um but it uses a a a data bank if you will of pictures that it can

00:48:55.080 collab together and then produce a result that looks very real but um we must also understand

00:49:03.000 in our generation is that ai is the highest form of plagiarism it can only produce what has already

00:49:11.920 been produced and yes it does it does like sew things together in a way that it may that it makes

00:49:18.520 something that's different but just like programming like as a programmer too it's it it suggests code

00:49:26.080 that's already been written so it's jonah did you have a question oh no no i i just had thoughts on

00:49:32.580 something that was spoken about earlier regarding like bullying of the kids of only fans models and i

00:49:37.700 think when it comes to a bullying issue i don't think people should be told to like fix the thing that

00:49:42.820 they're being bullied for or like even on the parents end i think that has a lot more to do with

00:49:47.260 the bully in general and that bullying itself should be countered so like if you have a bully

00:49:51.340 who's gonna incessantly bully a kid of an only fans model to the point where like their life is

00:49:56.540 severely negatively affected regardless if they come across that kid or not or they're like we have

00:50:01.320 like there's no more only fans models that kid is still a bully and they're still gonna find a

00:50:05.420 target and relentlessly bully them for whatever so i think that's where the issue should be counted

00:50:09.840 rather than saying fix what you're being bullied for thing is on the parents end it's interesting

00:50:14.460 you have these conversations on bullying especially or um or things like this like what's

00:50:20.820 if you wanted to improve like the status of your social group or somebody wants to be a part of it

00:50:26.920 or something like that isn't there a certain amount of hazing that's just kind of intrinsic

00:50:30.740 like there's a there's a bit of hazing which is just kind of always part of the process of human

00:50:36.400 social activity so if you're going to tell a woman for instance um that she was really overweight in high

00:50:42.120 school and like you know it's unhealthy right and maybe you know she's not the most pleasant person

00:50:47.660 to uh to be around because of it you know or something like this how do you even approach that

00:50:53.180 without it reaching the aspect of bullying like what's the difference between marking you need to

00:50:58.320 do this for self-improvement and and not like you can't both be perceived as bullying i don't think

00:51:03.700 it's people in her school's job to like meanly make fun of her weight or anything i think it's the

00:51:07.560 job of people in her life such as her family if she's overweight to like let her know about that

00:51:12.040 and make sure she becomes healthy yeah sure but those people i don't think hazing and bullying is

00:51:16.100 yeah but those people still want to be part of social groups because we're human beings right

00:51:19.480 we're pack animals and if you want to be a part of a social group they're gonna they're gonna like

00:51:24.220 have some kind of hazing ritual for you no matter what well you're talking more about like a clicky

00:51:29.080 popular group not even a clicky popular group just every group today in like schools there's like

00:51:34.200 normal people who aren't weird like that and who won't like reject you from well it doesn't seem

00:51:39.040 to be the case or we wouldn't be to be crying about bullying all the time all over the internet

00:51:42.780 everybody right oh i've been bullied at school and bullied at school and bullied at school and it's

00:51:46.380 like you get through the details a lot of times it looks like regular social hazing to me now i

00:51:51.340 understand edge cases or extreme cases where it's just like incessant and they just won't lay off

00:51:56.640 right even when i was in high school that was the case but that sort of social hazing still happens

00:52:01.900 and in some and to some degree i think it's pretty healthy to have social hazing um it it kind of

00:52:09.240 puts people the direction that they're supposed to be where they're supposed to go the groups that are

00:52:14.120 more uh you know in line with what their values or structures are right and that's isn't that part of

00:52:19.040 the hazing process well you just mentioned like being in line with people's values because that's what

00:52:22.980 friendship is based on it's based on character so if you were rejecting someone from your friend group

00:52:27.640 or not being friends with someone because of their body shape i think that's very superficial

00:52:31.520 and beyond the scope of healthy you think so i mean i'm not sure because like uh like overt

00:52:39.040 characteristics can tell you a lot about a person you know like if they don't have a meta like for

00:52:43.440 instance um let's take her for instance right um there ain't no way that that didn't take you years

00:52:50.380 of hard-ass fucking work to do there ain't no way right that took years and years and by the way

00:52:56.020 the amount the diet that like ifbb pro bodybuilders have to go through holy shit it's like it's so

00:53:04.600 brutal it's i mean it's like that's a lot of discipline so people like that are probably not

00:53:10.380 gonna you know they might have people aren't ifbb you know pro friends or things but the value

00:53:15.640 structure is kind of leaning towards i'm very disciplined i'm very regimented i'm very goal-oriented

00:53:21.060 and i and by the way i can stick with something in order to get to the results of that thing

00:53:26.180 and so if other people you know if they're like morbidly obese for instance right uh that would

00:53:33.000 be sending out the flags hey i have completely different structured values than you do in the

00:53:37.540 way that i live life right and wouldn't that be a red flag for you and like your social group like

00:53:42.420 hey maybe maybe we should vet this person a little a little bit and i think that that's healthy

00:53:47.720 i mean i think i certainly agree that like over like your appearance can't like for example in

00:53:53.400 that example can tell you a lot about a person yeah but i still think friendship goes a lot beyond

00:53:57.740 that like if you really had a genuine connection with this overweight person then i think you could

00:54:04.220 certainly have a good friendship i think i think we're saying the same thing right but you're talking

00:54:08.620 you're talking about a connection barrier now right so how do you connect it wouldn't it wouldn't

00:54:12.580 barrier me from connect maybe not a lot of normal sure sure i'm not saying you specifically i'm just

00:54:17.100 talking about a connection barrier between social groups and other people and it's like look i it

00:54:23.600 doesn't look like it's changed that much to me usually ugly kids hang out with ugly kids and good

00:54:28.260 looking kids hang out with good looking kids and fat kids hang out with fat kids i wouldn't say it's

00:54:31.700 that binary what's that well it's not it's not that clean but you get what i'm saying right like

00:54:36.500 social groups seem to formulate around similar value structures and so it's like well that's not

00:54:42.280 fully value structures i see something about well i think i think it is because that's what the

00:54:46.760 example is when you're talking about like somebody who's regimented ugly kids hang out with ugly kids

00:54:51.180 being ugly is not a value structure no no that's not the value structure the value structure is the

00:54:56.620 tell of like how's this going to interact with my group structure and how's this going to interact

00:55:02.100 with the way that i interact with other things that's how people now we don't do that we don't

00:55:05.940 think about these things right they're kind of intuitive but that is how social paradigms work

00:55:10.800 we vet people based just even purely on looks we do this you're going to be way more likely for

00:55:16.500 instance for a guy to pull over and change your tire if you're good looking and that's if you're a guy

00:55:21.720 or a girl right rather than if you're obese guy or a girl and the reason is why do you think that is

00:55:29.340 it's like it seems like um yeah people judge based on appearance but what i also want to add is

00:55:34.000 having just graduated high school and witnessing cliques and friend groups all around me i want

00:55:38.340 to say that the most long lasting healthy friendships or friend groups don't take those

00:55:42.840 superficial external external factors as seriously there wasn't hazing in these groups there was but

00:55:49.120 the groups that that took that more seriously did not last as long did not have as healthy of a group

00:55:53.820 dynamic they would talk about each other behind their back like i mean that's common and friendships

00:55:58.760 that are not so based on those sorts of things are a lot healthier and better and i also want to ask you a

00:56:02.860 question if you had a close friend who suddenly like gained a lot of weight to the point of becoming

00:56:07.340 overweight would you suddenly distance yourself oh my god we would be so mean to him we would be so

00:56:12.360 we would be just i mean we would be fucking horrible but the thing is it's like i had a time where i

00:56:17.720 gained a bunch of weight people were fucking horrible to me and the thing is it's like it's kind

00:56:21.840 of good right it's kind of good it's like there's a there's a motivating factor like look if you the

00:56:27.900 hate to bring this back to you again right but these like ifbv pros and these these bodybuilders

00:56:33.640 and shit they are the meanest fucking people to each other oh to each other to each other to each

00:56:39.720 other yeah they're the meanest fucking people to each other right but it's not malicious yeah it's

00:56:45.480 it's not malicious it's like it can be a lot of the time to other people i know from from the

00:56:50.060 outsider's perspective if you were to see some of these people when they're working out and they're

00:56:54.020 like no pop it up you pussy one more you know like but there's a powerful motivator there that's

00:57:00.100 not designed to be malicious i want to throw in but to people not on that level i would say i generally

00:57:09.080 these bodybuilders are the kindest people yes they're very nice people we put ourselves through

00:57:15.040 in our minds and our close people through we we know what that's like we like no one's worse to

00:57:23.240 myself and i completely i completely believe that but a high school bully who's relentlessly

00:57:30.100 bullying someone for their weight to the point of effing up their mental health what i'm saying

00:57:33.960 is social hazing can draw those kinds of extremes and therefore that's why i believe in social hazing

00:57:39.560 and then bullying to the point of like right life are totally agree i'd love to say something about

00:57:45.200 that because i went through that horrendously growing up so i actually got kicked out of school i was

00:57:49.880 put in a therapeutic day school i self-harm for 12 years i was obese until 19 i was a binge eater and

00:57:55.440 then i um got diagnosed i flip-flopped and went into anorexia for three years so i lost a bunch of

00:58:00.740 weight it was over 330 pounds but i got blackmailed right so i got black by blackmailed by two high

00:58:06.140 school boys who like sent my photos around the school and kids every day would come to school and

00:58:10.760 tell me that i was fat and pick on me because i grew up with well water and eventually i got kicked

00:58:14.900 out because i was constantly suicidal i was in and out of the mental hospital and this was when

00:58:20.500 cyber bullying became like a big thing like everybody was on myspace everybody was on facebook

00:58:25.400 now i can say it has motivated me as a person now when i was 13 to 16 i was cutting myself every day

00:58:33.080 and i was on mental health pills and you know i never fit in i was never accepted and still until

00:58:38.360 this day like where i'm accepted now i created that community i started an online community that i run

00:58:43.460 around the world with women it's been hard for me to interject myself into society in a way that

00:58:49.000 other people accept me whether they see my arms or maybe i'm really high anxiety and it caused it

00:58:54.000 took me years to love myself years and years and years to come to a place where i was like i don't

00:59:00.540 care what people think about me i'm gonna dress how i want i'm gonna listen to the music that i like

00:59:05.140 and so i think i do agree with what you're saying where it does it can be a motivator but i really think

00:59:11.000 it's not i'm not i don't even think i think this is going to be misconstrued a bit so when she said

00:59:17.280 there's a difference between hazing and bullying them to the brink of like gonna unalive themselves

00:59:23.680 i agree with that right i do think that there's social hazing though and i think that it is healthy

00:59:29.320 and i think that it is necessary and it doesn't even always have to be super brutal like the way that

00:59:34.280 women socially haze usually usually i think that that's actually more brutal than the way that men do

00:59:39.240 okay i think it's way more brutal than men it's like usually each other and we're like you fucking

00:59:43.640 idiot you're wearing the wrong shit and we push each other and shove each other and do shit like

00:59:47.080 that and whatever no one cares right but women do all kinds of like backbiting and rumor mongering

00:59:52.760 and all sorts of things to shit test and it can be i understand that right but what i'm saying is that

00:59:58.560 social hazing itself i think i think that if you take the bullying aspect and you say well we have to

01:00:04.560 eliminate social hazing because it can lead to bullying i think that that's when you're going

01:00:08.960 way too far you're going outside of basic human interactions because we do kind of need to socially

01:00:14.680 haze each other a bit it's kind of necessary i would like to add i do kind of think that we are acting

01:00:20.380 as if like we're talking about social hazing as if it's like the only way to push someone in the

01:00:24.440 right direction i've had very kind very supportive friends tell me that something i was doing wasn't good

01:00:31.060 for me and like really encouraged me and it has like those have been things that have changed my

01:00:36.140 life who did that right yeah yeah the social hazing comes before the friend comes that's that that's

01:00:41.340 part of the social hazing process that's where where you're kind of developing the group dynamic

01:00:46.140 right the social hazing happens before there's a friendship yeah but if i meet someone that i don't

01:00:52.080 like in some way or i you know their values don't align with mine my goal isn't to change them my goal is

01:00:57.340 to find someone who i do want to be friends with yeah i understand your goal may not be to change a

01:01:01.680 person right but you probably have people that you find unpleasant to be around absolutely or you don't

01:01:07.320 particularly care for their company or you don't like them very much you don't like when they're

01:01:11.080 around maybe friend groups that you have and that's where social hazing comes in so idea of like

01:01:16.480 creating a rejection of space between you and other people because you don't want them either a part of

01:01:21.600 your life or a part of the people around you's life uh because they're just unpleasant for you to be

01:01:26.280 whether they're unpleasant or not has nothing to do with it they're unpleasant for you and that's

01:01:30.380 what that's kind of what social hazing is i just think that we're completely capable of doing it

01:01:34.980 in a way that isn't like mean that's it i don't i think that yeah i know that there's a big emphasis

01:01:42.520 uh when you talk about this issue between men and women where for women there's a value structure that

01:01:50.040 they have around i call it the cult of be nice right where it's like be nice means everything

01:01:54.940 men aren't really that way they don't really give a shit about nice really it's not all that

01:02:00.920 important to us um and so we talk about the issue in a totally different way right that's that's how

01:02:06.320 we we discuss the issue but i don't think that women even though they ascribe to be nice that box

01:02:12.040 would be nice i don't think they actually are i think that they do not like the word nice yeah i think

01:02:16.580 yeah it can be kind yes good yeah but good is not equivalent to that's not equivalent to nice yeah

01:02:23.600 so it's hazing kind it can be very kind yes can be it's not it's well it's developing your no it's

01:02:29.960 not it's called it's called the gateway to bullying can you start there no that's right well okay well

01:02:37.240 then i mean speaking is a gateway to bullying then well i would also you know social hazing is a lot

01:02:41.980 more approximate because it's about judging others for something yeah we unfortunately though we make

01:02:46.940 value judgments on things all day long and on people all day long and that's good that we do

01:02:51.080 value judgments but these are superficial no no i'm saying you make value judgments on people all

01:02:56.420 the time rightfully so so like for instance uh if it's really late at night and there's a homeless guy

01:03:02.640 who has a needle and it's going into his arm right my guess is you don't stick around that area very long

01:03:08.940 right well you're judging his values aren't you okay but then hang on hang on aren't you yes yes you

01:03:16.580 are so you're making a value judgment so what i do is i put distance between me and that person but

01:03:20.280 the kind of socially talking about seems to be more like

01:03:24.580 unwarranted comments and like actually going out of your way to say something to that person like oh

01:03:29.660 you should lose weight kind of thing you know i'm not sure that it's i'm not sure that it's

01:03:33.220 unwarranted i would consider what you just did there where you're like i'm not going to be anywhere

01:03:36.100 around that to be a form of social hazing i'm completely i'll say i'm completely fine with that

01:03:41.080 form of social hazing beyond that i don't really agree with are you sure like i think i can think of a

01:03:46.320 lot of times where maybe there would be people around who you don't particularly care for right

01:03:51.620 but maybe you're getting to know them and as you're getting to know them you know maybe you guys

01:03:55.960 you're talking past each other a little bit starts with a misunderstanding and then maybe later on you

01:04:00.360 become friends right the way that this is going though in the beginning right the reason you have

01:04:06.280 misunderstandings and things like this is you're both kind of pressing each other now you may be doing

01:04:10.540 this on the undertone respectfully and maturely yeah maybe or maybe not right it depends on the

01:04:15.940 person and respectfully and maturely is going to be mean different things to different people like

01:04:20.300 for men respect being something totally different than it does to women and so does meanness meanness

01:04:25.400 means something totally different to men than it does women can we add context to this like let's say

01:04:29.380 there's a person in the street they've got a needle from their arm you know it's like i think we are all

01:04:34.700 within our rights if we don't know this person we're gonna like sorry like it's not my sure not my

01:04:40.160 heart not my problem i'm going the other way but you're not that's not bullying though or even hazing

01:04:45.960 i think hazing is like okay now my close friend just you know fell off the wagon and

01:04:52.360 what do i do as a person do what will i be nice and just pretend i didn't see anything or will i be

01:04:58.360 kind and say that's this is becoming a problem to not just i don't believe that's social hazing

01:05:03.840 yeah that's not just looking out for your friend is like a totally different like like like if you

01:05:10.660 think of like sororities and fraternities hazing is like you kind of humiliate yourself yeah can be

01:05:16.180 like fuck with your friends like just yeah mess with your friends or if you have i think you're just

01:05:20.760 making a decision on how you want to position yourself okay so do i make fun of the here my

01:05:25.200 friend that's it in order to get the them to sometimes sometimes like sometimes for instance

01:05:31.640 yeah it can be very healthy to do in a helpful way that seems like a defined balance versus like

01:05:36.620 let me just be straightforward with you look sometimes it is the case and i'm sorry to be

01:05:44.040 the bearer of bad news here but sometimes saying look what you're doing is kind of silly

01:05:47.320 doesn't work as well as you're a fucking idiot and that's the truth sometimes saying look um you know

01:05:55.000 maybe you should calm down doesn't work as well as you need to shut the fuck up sometimes that form

01:06:00.380 of interaction actually works better to adjust behavior than the cult of be nice and i think that

01:06:06.600 i think by the way that women are just superficially nice most of the time anyway not not actually it's

01:06:12.660 just very stupid it's just a very superficial way that they engage um and i think that men are kind

01:06:18.500 of more open and honest about about how it is that they that the basic human interactions work like

01:06:24.020 uh we're your perception of me if i was around my friend group would be that we were really mean

01:06:29.020 bastards um but we're really not like uh i mean pick each other up if someone's having problems we

01:06:36.100 make sure like they have financial issues we're going to take care of it if they got you know social

01:06:39.960 issues going on we have their back this and that but we're going to call them all kinds of names and

01:06:44.220 we're going to rib them we're going to make fun of them we're going to clown on them and like

01:06:47.940 that yeah that's all part of the social interaction of people yeah i think that's totally cool between

01:06:53.120 close friends and a friend group i just i wouldn't say you should be like using that kind of language

01:06:57.940 on maybe someone you don't know well no usually we do it within 20 minutes of someone you just met

01:07:01.880 you're like hey fucking idiot look what you just did and they're like you know they give a lot that's

01:07:06.080 part of what social hazing is like it's very common it's very very common for men to do this

01:07:11.820 mr wilson um have you heard i know you're a very well educated man well read and well spoken

01:07:18.200 one of the things definitely not well educated but don't you have a like a degree in religious

01:07:24.320 studies and no no okay must have been wrong okay r&d my r&d was wrong chat if only i had an only

01:07:32.180 fans you would have known all of this too much time r&d me and my boyfriend anyways but um okay

01:07:39.020 so i must i must wait we're gonna melt down here okay go ahead what may i may i get it um my point

01:07:46.360 being is there's a a famous 19th century uh author his by the name of charles baudelaire who uh created

01:07:54.060 this um beautiful essay on laughter saying that it is actually satanic um due to people like for

01:08:04.380 example finding comedy of someone else's pain someone who slips and falls a lot of people who

01:08:11.480 aren't involved will go and laugh at them and say oh that's you know like because it's just a it's a

01:08:17.120 guttural reaction um it's and i think it's pertinent because it's when when people laugh it's either due to

01:08:29.500 the madness of their own uh superiority or to the inferior inferiority of others and i think that

01:08:38.820 hazing is i was just about to say do you think children laughing is satanic so that this is not

01:08:45.480 this i'm lost right now there's a specific are you quoted what the fuck are you quoting

01:08:48.820 so with a with a with a kid with a kid it's a bit of a different story they mimic they learn and so

01:08:56.740 when they're expressing joy it's joy tickle is is a bit different you know i used to think i used to

01:09:04.280 think a lot of the things you like with kids for instance that kids just mimic until i had them

01:09:09.320 they don't just mimic they have their own little thoughts and they have their own little like

01:09:14.240 they're little human beings that's true in development i agree with that but they're not

01:09:19.300 just mimickers they're not we're not born blank slates people have personalities ingrained in them

01:09:23.960 you can almost see it the day that they're born you know you can almost you can almost see it right

01:09:28.260 away and uh yeah so i don't i don't believe in blank slate theory i don't think that that kids just

01:09:33.680 mimic what they see and that's what they become i think they have a personality associated with it and

01:09:38.260 the environment correlates with that and then from there they become the human being they're going to

01:09:42.420 become and i would just i would just point this out too that like i was listening to a comedian this

01:09:47.240 morning it was cracking me up he was talking about our jokes right he was talking about our jokes and

01:09:52.620 of course those are taboo you can never make those they're terrible right they're horrible but he made

01:09:57.060 this great point and he said you know the reason that people made our jokes and laughed so hard about

01:10:03.780 them right everyone was laughing wasn't because they hated women it's because when you think about all of

01:10:08.600 the things that are funny it's really shit that's fucking morbid and horrible and the reason that

01:10:14.460 we're laughing about it is because we're taking we're making sense of the morbid world that we live

01:10:19.740 in and we're giving it context in a way that we can kind of deal with it and that's what the whole

01:10:25.180 point of like the best jokes really are and if you really think about it now i mean maybe not you

01:10:31.180 maybe maybe not you maybe every unclean joke is terrible and you have no sense of humor but the

01:10:36.300 thing is like most people for most people kind of like the more morbid the joke is right the funnier

01:10:43.320 it can really be and that's why he was saying like you know you gotta you gotta start drawing some

01:10:48.740 lines here on what it is we can talk about can't talk about comes to our jokes uh or in in this case

01:10:54.880 when it comes to social hazing you're not allowed to do that because well after all uh that could lead

01:11:01.040 to bullying or it's a gateway and it's like that just i think ignores human interactions altogether

01:11:05.880 so anyway i'm done with my i was gonna say first of all i i'm not against every unclean joke i'm all

01:11:11.240 for edgy dark humor here and there but when it comes to our jokes there's a lot of people who

01:11:15.840 aren't laughing at our jokes or making them because they're trying to make sense of the morbid world

01:11:19.620 we live in they're making these jokes because they don't care about what women are going through

01:11:23.800 and because they don't take it seriously that's every joke but that's kind of a bad thing yeah so

01:11:28.440 then no so then no morbid jokes because somebody could be taking it seriously or

01:11:32.620 no jokes made in that insensitive manner yeah right no nobody's allowed nobody's allowed anymore

01:11:38.740 is that what i said to to laugh at the at insensitive jokes because you think they're

01:11:43.660 insensitive even though like this is how we engage with the world this is how i'm saying no one should

01:11:48.100 laugh at or make like our jokes i know i know that you think that but my argument to you is like

01:11:54.020 then why can they laugh at any insensitive joke why are they what who gets to decide like

01:11:58.920 which insensitive joke a person gets to laugh at and which one they don't sure so i mean with an

01:12:04.100 r joke you're making reference to like women going through like a traumatic experience and their

01:12:08.920 consent being violated and you know there's a lot of and when black people are talking about slavery and

01:12:13.240 making jokes about that right this horrible thing that's terrible right what are they doing they're

01:12:18.260 contextualizing and they're laughing when blazing saddles when blazing saddles

01:12:23.200 had a scene where it's like the sheriff is the n-word right with a ding and they were

01:12:27.840 clowning on slavery and clowning on jewish people and this type of thing the whole point was trying

01:12:32.880 to make sense of this like horrifically morbid world that we live in and how else do we engage

01:12:38.080 with it except to laugh about you can make sense of your own experiences or regarding like your own

01:12:42.440 demographic but to laugh at someone else's suffering when it's like so then no insensitive jokes allowed

01:12:48.580 well i would say they're like the line that i would draw is like okay well it's obviously not going to be a

01:12:52.900 clear line yeah it's not a clear line when it comes to like it's just kind of common sense though like

01:12:57.180 it's it's it's not kind of common sense okay well you know like i find things funny that you don't

01:13:02.440 find funny and what makes it common sense that you're allowed to find them funny and i'm not okay

01:13:06.180 let's say i have a friend who like did something really stupid and like i make fun of them for that

01:13:10.520 and that's like an edgy joke whatever or whatever like your friends making fun of each other that's

01:13:14.660 like one type of edgy joke and then when it comes to an r joke that's something that

01:13:18.400 there's a lot more there's a lot more like that's a lot more of a serious matter we understand do me

01:13:23.500 a favor scoot three inches that way move your mic along with you um halloween was happened pretty

01:13:30.400 recently um what do you think about people who dressed up as charlie kirk i'm sure you've probably

01:13:37.660 going to i didn't know about that actually going to the very liberal college and university that you

01:13:42.480 go to and being a confessed pretty leftist person uh you seem to at least the last conversation we had

01:13:52.000 also with you you guys seemed a bit not so displeased with the fact that charlie kirk was

01:13:59.260 assassinated i was very displeased i made that very sure given this given this i'm sure there were

01:14:06.320 people college students many leftists who dressed up as charlie kirk with a fake wound to their neck

01:14:13.760 as a halloween costume do you think when you like would you find that humorous i don't find that

01:14:19.720 funny i want to make sure you're consistent in your objection to humor i don't find that funny because

01:14:24.460 that's something that's like very serious and he just died and i think that's disrespectful and also

01:14:28.680 like you kind of pointed to me like oh people like you did that i mean i think there's a separate

01:14:32.640 a distinction that should be made between i just want normal leftists and people like that i just

01:14:36.760 want to ensure that when you're going to be policing dark humor that you don't just you know you you have

01:14:43.760 a fair application of that which you're policing okay you know i think when it comes to crimes

01:14:49.420 traumatizing events like that's where i say it's kind of a weird zone okay so that's consistent so a

01:14:54.940 family guy makes like a 9-11 joke no good too dark i mean i personally want to make it again i don't

01:15:02.080 even when i say like i'm not a huge fan of this kind of joke i i don't go around like policing

01:15:06.040 people and saying hey don't say that don't say that yeah but i just surround myself with people

01:15:09.520 who have a better sense of humor i get that but you can be funny with i understand that like for

01:15:14.200 you personally that's probably the case but you would admit i think right that there's tons of

01:15:19.500 left-wing organizations that do and they do de-platform people for making those jokes and they do

01:15:24.180 actually try to you know make it so that people become de-personed for life for making those jokes

01:15:30.080 i mean i think that's like a free speech thing and i wouldn't i don't believe in de-personing

01:15:34.140 or de-platforming people yeah right but you can cancel people that's not free but i think it's the

01:15:37.740 very idea that that people advocate the idea that you know anything is so insensitive that's just you

01:15:43.760 know you're just not allowed to to go after i agree like look some of that shit makes me mad

01:15:48.420 like when the charlie kirk stuff happens makes me mad makes me mad too you know and i'm like look

01:15:52.780 what are you fucking doing you piece of shit sure that's terrible that's awful you know what i mean

01:15:56.940 but on the other hand why why does that make you mad and not an archer but me but it making me mad

01:16:01.940 doesn't mean that i'm i'm don't understand that people like this who may be saying insensitive

01:16:08.400 things or having sensitive jokes that offend my delicate sensibilities right aren't actually doing

01:16:14.100 that because they're trying to make sense of the morbid that like the morbid sense of the world

01:16:18.960 now there's a difference i don't think that's what's going there's a difference between that and like

01:16:22.500 the guy deserved it he that should have happened to him you know that's a different whole that's a

01:16:27.500 different thing altogether i think but even people who are doing it like that they're not like trying

01:16:31.040 to that's not the process that's not the thought process that's going on in people's heads a lot of

01:16:34.780 people who are making how do you know what's going on in their heads because of the sheer amount of

01:16:38.800 people who make jokes about charlie kirk out of like just just like blatant disrespect and like oh i

01:16:43.100 hate him f him yeah those people but those people are majority of people those people are making

01:16:48.260 the intent known so like for instance somebody's making an r joke and they're like yeah those

01:16:52.720 bitches deserved it that's most of our joke makers no it's not the thing is is like look if that's

01:16:58.620 the case it's like maybe you have a leg to stand on there right but just like you would with the charlie

01:17:03.780 kirk thing but it's like just to to make a joke uh you know in regard and it has the r word somewhere

01:17:10.440 in it you know what i mean and people laugh and now it's just too insensitive or uh you know a racial

01:17:15.900 joke or something like that it's like at some point you got to stop the the over sensitive

01:17:20.860 like being overly sensitive to these things because like because it takes away well it takes

01:17:25.060 away a useful tool people have for dealing with the world there's better you can make sense of the

01:17:28.760 world and events in much better ways just educate yourself how do you know like what makes you think

01:17:33.340 that you get to because i understand these events and i understand these things without having to

01:17:36.860 make these how do you how do you how do you know that you can govern how people interact with

01:17:40.960 world with humor like humor is i'm not governing others yeah humor is really intersubjective and

01:17:46.040 it's really personalized and the thing is is like you can say an offensive thing to someone you didn't

01:17:50.440 even mean it to be offensive but it's also not just about you and how you're using tools to make sense

01:17:54.740 of things in the world it's about everybody but you it's about the nebulous hole no i'm saying it's

01:17:59.800 about also having just respect for for example like women who've gone through that or people who like

01:18:04.600 9-11 or charlie kirk like i think it's good to just have respect and like a certain level of

01:18:09.480 sensitivity towards things like that the same way yeah the charlie kirk thing pissed you off which i

01:18:13.600 think it's really interesting that that bothers you but then like our jokes do you see the distinction

01:18:18.000 of somebody saying if somebody didn't i already qualify this like somebody said charlie kirk had

01:18:23.200 that coming good he deserved it that's what people are saying that's what people are saying oh she she

01:18:28.300 had it coming she deserved it no they're not saying that so do you think they're like oh that event was

01:18:33.040 so shocking let me dress up as him for halloween so i can process this shocking event i think there's

01:18:38.640 some people who didn't think that he had that coming and just were trying to be edgy i think

01:18:43.040 that's the case i've talked to him i could talk to him on tiktok i didn't think that now there was

01:18:47.720 also some of them who i fucking knew okay wanted and they would tell me they'd be like yeah i wish

01:18:53.580 that guy would fucking die good do you notice how you can be a normal individual who just like

01:18:58.720 sees what happens and process it normally without dressing up as him and how that's maybe like a

01:19:03.200 better thing yeah i get it but we have that's what i'm saying but you have to have contextualization

01:19:06.640 for things contextualize things normally and don't be a weirdo there's no rude what's normal is trans

01:19:12.240 normal what is trans normal are trans people normal yeah it is just is being trans normal i mean it's

01:19:19.820 not like like most people aren't trans so i guess it's not it's not normal so we can't so then did you

01:19:25.120 i should process trans people the normal way by being like well it's not normal is that how should i do

01:19:31.040 i should do that okay i'm i'm struggling to understand how you're like well i'm just saying

01:19:36.260 when you make these appeals to normalcy and if you make an appeal to normalcy you're like appealing to

01:19:41.640 well that's not normal what you're doing is not normal it's a regular it's not normal it's like

01:19:44.900 well then you have to apply that to everything that's not normal okay so are you saying like how

01:19:49.280 how does someone process the existence of trans people given that it's not a common thing i think

01:19:53.140 they use you say okay you want to identify that way i'm gonna mind my own business i think they use humor

01:19:56.800 that's what i think i think most people use humor to process it for the more yeah most people don't

01:20:01.660 make our jokes and dress up as charlie kirk and joke about that kind of thing i agree most people

01:20:05.040 don't do that but i'm glad most people but i do think that people make very morbid jokes about

01:20:09.060 charlie kirk that don't mean them harm just like i think i don't think that's a good thing i don't

01:20:12.660 think it's good to me i know you don't but my point is again i know you don't think so but i'm making

01:20:17.800 the case that a lot of people don't think so yeah but that's nice but i'm just saying like and that's a

01:20:22.100 better society than if everyone how do you know that that's a better it doesn't seem like

01:20:25.500 curtailing what people can say is a better society it's one based on less judgment and

01:20:29.680 out of more respect for other people is that it is that what our highest value should be just less

01:20:34.240 judgment on people because society's gotten pretty fucked up since we stopped judging people

01:20:38.220 it's gotten pretty fucked up in case you didn't know what age what age do you think you're going

01:20:43.480 to be able to buy a house in my hopefully in my late 20s hopefully in your late 20s maybe early

01:20:49.640 i don't know how my whole life planned out i'm 18 i know but maybe your early 30s

01:20:53.360 you know depends on the trajectory of my career it gets worse and worse and worse every single

01:20:58.080 year right are we talking about the economy now or just not just the economy it's the the entire

01:21:02.500 judgment of society the way that the way in which we engage with society at large has now been put

01:21:08.320 into this box of be nice and it's like you know maybe maybe if we were a little meaner it'd be like

01:21:13.820 uh you know no fuck that you shouldn't have to wait till you're 30 to buy a house right now fuck that

01:21:19.300 and fuck you uh or maybe you shouldn't have or maybe you could look over and you could be like

01:21:23.340 ah you know maybe a lot of these essay cases actually would go down if it were the case that

01:21:28.460 people interacted better uh with the environments that they were in with the clothing that they wore

01:21:32.860 and the people that they were around like that makes fucking sense to people it's like well that's

01:21:37.180 too much you can't say that and that's like i think you can and should you can say something

01:21:40.920 without making a stupid joke about it yeah but i mean how how that's processed by people's

01:21:46.580 often through humor that's my point what what do you find acceptable to joke about like can black

01:21:53.360 people joke about white people like make racial can you can you give me like a specific example

01:21:57.520 and then i'll like say yes or like if i find that acceptable can i make a a racist joke towards white

01:22:02.420 people as an example i can you as a white person i can't think of one off the top of my head but i

01:22:07.040 want you to ask answer my question first is it okay like there's this concept of punching up

01:22:12.660 can can you call me a mayonnaise eater can a black person make like a racially insensitive joke

01:22:19.800 towards whites a joke yeah they can can a white person oh no no are you saying if i think it's

01:22:25.540 right or wrong uh or if they what do you mean like are you are you asking me do i think should

01:22:30.720 black people can should black comedians never direct any sort of joke racially racial jokes

01:22:39.100 in the context like white towards white people

01:22:42.440 i mean i don't think that's nearly as severe as like a our joke but i'm not again i'm not here

01:22:50.460 i'm not here to say you should do this grant it's not as severe uh are you against black people making

01:22:55.800 jokes about uh white people like racial jokes about white people why is a racial joke you can

01:23:01.240 make about a white person okay can you make a sexist joke like towards women towards anybody but

01:23:06.480 sure towards women well yeah you can make a second are there such things as sexist jokes

01:23:10.220 are there such things as racist jokes yeah i'm just curious like a racist joke is towards white

01:23:15.740 person because like there's not as many judgments towards like being white like oh you're white for

01:23:21.040 the sake of conversation i'll go ahead and grant it but you can still make a racist joke about white

01:23:27.720 people am i are you asking me if i think that's right or wrong or if that's possible first i'm

01:23:31.960 asking if it's possible well purely because i i struggle to think of an example of that kind

01:23:37.120 of joke i'm like well whether you can think of an example or not would be irrelevant i don't need

01:23:42.620 you i just don't know what that looks like you know well could you think of a racist joke towards

01:23:46.600 a black person yes because there's a lot more of like there's a lot more connotations uh how about

01:23:52.960 just like uh a joke that involves uh the c word or something are you asking me if i think that's

01:24:02.080 right or wrong i mean i personally like i think it's like not the best word to use okay but should

01:24:08.260 we preclude or would you be in favor of precluding black comedians from making racist like policing

01:24:14.080 them and saying like hey you should do that you can't say that well okay in the same way that you

01:24:17.840 say we shouldn't make uh rape jokes right you're totally that has to do with like a whole crime

01:24:23.280 like you know like again i'm right i'm attaching the biggest different i understand it's different

01:24:27.860 i'm policing the highest degree that racism and rape are both bad things right yes and you might

01:24:34.280 categorize racism towards white people today is not as bad as sexual like full-on rape how do we put

01:24:40.480 like a label on that i'm willing how do you that how do you get to make these judgments like who

01:24:45.220 the fuck makes these jokes let me ask you a question andrew if someone if someone uses the c word on you

01:24:50.440 is that less harmful or more harmful than a woman getting from now on everything you say on this

01:24:55.880 topic listen everything you say on this topic is going to offend me so it's inappropriate for you to

01:25:00.520 say again i'm not policing other people okay just ask the questions depends on someone's level of

01:25:05.940 insecurity i just want to hear the questions i'm cuban and irish and everybody always says that i'm

01:25:09.820 white but do i get like personally offended by that no i don't i don't care and i've been sexually

01:25:14.160 assaulted and hold on i'll make this super simple i'll make this super simple i don't understand the

01:25:18.420 level of getting to decide on what's like so offensive for you or anything and like how racism is any

01:25:24.340 worse than sexual assault because it's actually about the same they're both crimes against somebody

01:25:28.760 their dignity who they are as a person their cultures and like at the end of the day really just

01:25:33.440 like surround yourself with people then that have the same interests as you do like i'm super blunt

01:25:37.200 super witty when i first meet a guy i'm pretty right rough off the bat i want to know if you can joke and

01:25:42.420 have fun and stuff you would have to provide like a specific example like if we're talking about

01:25:47.740 racism this can be anywhere from like very mild forms of racism to like full-on like let's uh you know

01:25:55.800 like full-on uh slavery like if slavery were to come back or something we could probably make you

01:26:01.840 could probably make the argument that if slavery were to come back in totality and like chattel

01:26:06.440 slavery yeah uh okay and like you know how do you say it chattel chattel my bad that's totally my

01:26:14.780 like what what's the comparison here like i would probably argue i would probably argue like because

01:26:20.080 i don't know why you're trying to bring this here it's kind of irrelevant to the line of questioning

01:26:23.520 but like if we enslaved like a million people in this country that would be worse than like one

01:26:30.060 individual essay so in any case like sort of when i guess when i'm talking about racism like you know

01:26:38.060 a racist joke that i don't even know why this is even yes of course like an actual uh an act of

01:26:45.040 committed rape yes that's obviously worse than a racist joke there's no dispute there in any case

01:26:51.000 though should black comedians i'd like an answer to the question finally should black comedians i

01:26:56.620 think people should hold on let me finish be precluded from making racist jokes in the direction

01:27:02.340 of white people when you say precluded do you mean like policed de-platformed because i don't believe

01:27:06.460 in that kind of thing okay you said uh people should not should not make rape jokes right is that

01:27:14.580 your your position i don't think it's a good thing i don't again i don't go around do you think it's

01:27:19.960 not a good thing when black comedians make racist jokes about white people it's not a great thing

01:27:26.280 but it's not as bad as the art jokes because again it's a different degree right i understand

01:27:31.260 so i want to just say i really do mind my own business when it comes to other people let's

01:27:35.520 really quickly get into i don't police other people should people uh should any comedian i guess

01:27:39.680 not make rape jokes oh yeah i mean do i think it's a good or a bad thing because again i don't

01:27:44.880 believe in policing other people well it's a bad thing i think it's a bad thing i think it's a bad

01:27:50.060 thing they shouldn't do it yeah okay should black comedians then not make racist jokes about white

01:27:54.840 people i it's not as bad sure i grant it it's a little more of a gray area because it's a little

01:28:03.600 more of a gray area okay should white comedians not make racist jokes about black people i don't

01:28:08.440 think it's a good thing because is it worse than racist jokes towards white people i think it's

01:28:14.040 worse yeah interesting i mean if there's like a whole like history of like oppression and

01:28:18.900 marginalization there it's like there's a lot more depth and layers to it i have one chat coming

01:28:23.140 through here claim donated two hundred and ninety nine dollars thank you man three hundred brian

01:28:31.540 wtf you trying to buy a plane andrew you effing ruled how do you circumcise a redneck you kick his

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01:29:12.360 continue on with the convo uh all right adzils yo brian your favorite brit is back andrew welcome

01:29:19.400 back and salute boys need the avengers to assemble before christmas andrew cupel and jake on the big

01:29:24.560 panel free facility felicity michael is michael jackson is king he's our adzils how's q doing have you

01:29:30.980 had him on recently uh it's been a while it's been a while but uh yeah it'd be good to have him uh back on

01:29:35.320 here nice kid good guy uh my man you're good looking got drip good shot with a gun and rocking

01:29:41.720 the fedora like mj smooth criminal can we get a hee hee yeah uh but you decide to settle for a of

01:29:50.500 muppet why are you talking shit about my my homie i didn't do of when we met we decided to go into that

01:29:57.020 together and where do you think the drip came from hello but you think you had this before but isn't

01:30:01.780 that objectively worse in a way no he's not settling for like an of muppet it was more of

01:30:08.460 like a it was more of going into a business opportunity together yeah but that that's what

01:30:14.780 that that's what i'm saying like wouldn't that in a way be where like if you had a wife and she

01:30:22.140 wasn't engaged in prostitution and then you engaged with her in prostitution i consider it where's the

01:30:27.340 prostitution i consider it prostitution oh it's selling sex okay well i can consider anything to

01:30:32.940 be a label yeah i mean yeah but i think that they're well look i'm just i'm just telling you

01:30:36.980 how i consider it i consider it prostitution um i think that sex works broadly falls under the

01:30:42.680 category of prostitution um but if that's the case it's like if your wife wasn't engaged in

01:30:48.480 prostitution then was right how that seems to me even more objectively worse than if she was a

01:30:56.360 prostitute and then you know maybe later she wasn't or whatever that almost seems objectively

01:31:00.380 worse like almost you allow the corruption to happen type of thing i think that that's the

01:31:05.940 intent of the chat anyway well i think uh the the part i think that i focus on is like the settle

01:31:11.700 and so it's like yeah i think anytime you feel like you're settling that's like probably something

01:31:17.700 you should you know consider again but like uh you know that's the presupposition being made right

01:31:23.300 because uh if it's not settling and i'm okay with it then what's the uh issue i guess well it's our

01:31:30.140 marriage not uh that's if he doesn't want that yeah that's true but i think i think from the

01:31:35.900 at least if you look at the social categories of morality if you're talking about um you know in this

01:31:43.160 case prostitution that's usually going to be in one of the lower categories of morality and we're

01:31:47.200 going to consider that low on the moral scale for work or whatever it is that you're doing so if

01:31:51.960 that's the case you're like well this person was not engaging in that immoral behavior before and

01:31:57.980 with you now they are they would almost just they'd almost think like you assisted in the immoral

01:32:03.200 behavior does that make more sense yeah yeah or or at least i just didn't uh weigh in strongly against

01:32:09.300 enough i guess would be the thing um i mean it started off as like uh kind of a compliment and then

01:32:15.120 it went to like why'd you settle for this person so it feels like he's just wanting to attack her

01:32:19.600 because i don't think any of that characterization is particularly true yeah well i mean it's it's

01:32:25.800 commonplace for especially the christian right to be pretty heavily against only fans work and

01:32:32.420 prostitution because they consider it categorized the same exact way and so that's the case like

01:32:38.180 that's part of their pushback in societies they don't want the normalization of it that's the whole

01:32:42.260 goal right oh i agree i think it's terrible for like a normal circumstance most girls who do of they

01:32:47.600 will not succeed and they just ruin any kind of social dynamic they would have had with a potential

01:32:52.300 partner or like a workplace or anything i think most of the time it's not good i think the difference

01:32:57.160 with us was we already had each other we already were in a good financial spot before even starting

01:33:01.500 social media in general as most probably should be but the criticism that you would hear most often

01:33:06.100 there because i've heard this a lot right like there there are uh of or sex workers or prostitutes who

01:33:12.520 will come on the show and discuss their you know kind of like the inner workings and dynamics

01:33:17.040 and what i've noted is there are some who will say like look i'm a success story and that is true

01:33:24.460 like almost nobody's going to succeed at of that's true almost nobody's going to succeed as a podcaster

01:33:29.160 and almost nobody's going to succeed as a great welder either okay like it's really hard to succeed

01:33:34.300 as one of the kind of like cream of the crop you probably know this from ifbb there's lots of people

01:33:39.200 around who are really strong and really buff but they never they just never get anywhere it's like

01:33:43.300 most of them right and the cream rises to the top as they say but i would just point this out that

01:33:47.820 one of the big criticisms that comes when sex workers say that is that they're just trying to

01:33:51.860 pull the ladder up so the idea is like hey um it actually behooves me to say not to engage when

01:33:59.580 you're 20 years you know or not in your case 20 years but like 10 years younger in sex work because

01:34:05.120 now you become a competition right so you're pulling the ladder up by saying well you couldn't be

01:34:09.140 successful at it that would be the other criticism back sure i've heard that and i can definitely see

01:34:13.580 that perspective but it actually is just very unlikely just because of how saturated the market

01:34:19.240 already is i'm just giving you that i'm just giving you the criticism but i actually do agree with you

01:34:23.740 that it's like extremely unlikely that that most women will succeed at it and it's just baffling to

01:34:29.860 me why so many still go into it but i think another point to mr wilson's point is that with you

01:34:34.780 remind me your name again nick nick nick okay nick you've obviously protected kate physically from

01:34:40.300 physical harm and fended that off successfully however i think one of his points he was trying

01:34:46.180 to make is that since you two started to date it progressed and you uh you both made the decision

01:34:52.940 to start only fans however did you do that with full consciousness that of the ramification like

01:35:00.960 mental spiritual ramifications that can um affect a woman um that's you know just she got you got in

01:35:10.600 at a brilliant time with twitch and that truly did send you off on a rocket ship but um that

01:35:18.400 illustriousness comes at a cost there's like things it comes at a cost yeah i think that i would have felt

01:35:26.280 more strongly uh about that if i was thinking of ever actually making real content like penetration

01:35:33.400 or even like just doing scenes with other men right because it was mostly solo and it's toys and it's

01:35:40.760 not even real it feels more like smoke and mirrors for profit feels more like acting to me than it does

01:35:46.240 actual sex work even though it clearly falls under the illusion of sex yeah you're selling your body in

01:35:51.880 the end that's the difference between actresses that star in big films and um porn stars it's it's that

01:36:00.280 one selling their body the other ones are selling a story or a film or a product or a lingerie suite even

01:36:05.680 but it still begs the question um there by engaging in explicit content creation you almost were you were

01:36:19.280 taken hostage okay like it would wait is i was i wrong did i missed the story i thought you were

01:36:24.800 taken hostage in your own home miss not from the sex work yeah that was like uh i'm assuming they

01:36:31.600 assumed i mean i don't know where they attributed the crypto coming from but it wasn't actually that

01:36:35.080 we'd done you know like obviously should the kick deal in this you know stake is sometimes a component

01:36:40.180 and so all of that is just very crypto oriented um yeah that's from it was from live streaming

01:36:46.680 like live streaming articles it wasn't an article about of or anything oh okay so i i was attributing

01:36:52.740 the fame there towards that no i would say that mostly came from twitch not even like of really it

01:36:58.300 came from how can you say that because i streamed on twitch for like over 12 hours for several years

01:37:03.960 like every day yeah like at one point during her peak um like we have some uh i guess closeness with

01:37:11.100 some people who work with like xqc and i was like stunned because at one point in like 21 and 22

01:37:16.220 she had more unique people coming into her stream a day the difference is that they stayed like a

01:37:21.880 minute you know whereas xqc had them stay an average of 50 minutes right and he was streaming to like

01:37:26.940 hundreds of thousands of people and then she had like 10 000 it's like her stream became a place where

01:37:31.860 people checked in and like it was like just a huge exposure generator like you know over a hundred to

01:37:38.420 300 million impressions monthly just from that site alone and so it's definitely the fame but like

01:37:43.160 not to sterilize it too much but like for us if you want to tell the actual story it goes like

01:37:49.900 patreon didn't start off as a you know sexy site and neither did only fans or twitch yeah twitch

01:37:56.080 yeah they're both musician sites right and so for patreon it's like oh okay so you can sell some

01:38:00.720 photos just like how cosplay people sell prints cool right and then when only fans rolled around it was

01:38:06.360 literally wait that's a bigger platform with more users and so we're going to do what we do now on

01:38:11.080 patreon on only fans and then like maybe within the next year it became the porn star site i hear you but

01:38:18.560 let's let's talk about the the genesis of amaranth where it started off as a twitch um stream and it

01:38:27.160 what happened progressively did it become more scantily clad did it get more promiscuous did you start

01:38:33.340 cosplaying more sex in more sexy costumes and then it became less of an art and more of like

01:38:39.280 hey look at my look at my appearance i actually think that a lot of my bikini streams were my most

01:38:45.940 artistic moments because i would i would dress up as a pigeon and i would um you know flap as i licked

01:38:53.400 microphones and laughed to the bank so i would say that's pretty that's pretty powerful art i'm pretty

01:38:58.880 happy with it so moving off that though i want since andrew's back at the table uh there was a

01:39:04.040 moment there where there's some disagreement about the categorization or the term used prostitution

01:39:09.240 uh willow in your notes here you write uh you had a disagreement with uh andrew calling uh sex

01:39:17.240 workers prostitutes because and you write sex workers have far more rights and access to their

01:39:21.820 money prostitutes are more human trafficked do you want to elaborate a bit yeah i've actually been

01:39:26.500 waiting for this moment um because i watch you guys a lot and this is this is more so andrew's

01:39:32.060 argument okay it's your moment i know i'm ready andrew i'm ready get me a beer for her moment i got

01:39:37.660 it this this comes mainly because i am also focused on starting a non-profit and a big focus on that is

01:39:44.060 the exploitation of children and human trafficking my best friend was a prostitute she passed away when i

01:39:48.580 was 18 years old from heroin addiction and prostitution so i have first-hand experience um with the the

01:39:54.760 diverse difference on how being prostituted pimped out especially on the streets directly there's no

01:40:01.140 choice you don't have access to money you're lucky if you eat get to shower get to sleep all of that

01:40:06.140 you're put on drugs you know and then sex workers it's a choice you do what an i-9 or whatever and

01:40:11.160 you you pay taxes on your only fans money and like you get to choose like buying yachts and traveling the

01:40:18.480 world and like eating food and having nice stuff so i think there's a huge difference on like

01:40:22.260 being a sex worker and only fans model and having a choice and then there's also that middle man of

01:40:27.380 the escort where that person is still most of the time pimped or working for a business but they have

01:40:32.240 far more access to their money and i just think that's the difference of like your rights as like

01:40:37.060 a prostitute being on the streets working out of hotels and motels and then also the being online or

01:40:43.800 being a stripper too you know it's like most of those people have access to their money and

01:40:48.300 prostitutes so that's basically it so i think okay so i listened to what you had to say but

01:40:53.560 here's my here's my counter please give it to me you're just redefining what prostitute is

01:40:58.000 because you want to make a delineation because sex worker sounds thank you at least socially less bad

01:41:06.520 less impactful yes yeah but that's really what you're doing you're just creating you're just

01:41:11.680 redefining terms even though no you're wrong so fine legally too they're defined legally like they

01:41:18.820 change those laws in most cities they're defined legally protect prostitutes yeah but prostitution

01:41:23.060 is a universal term it's not just a localized one so whether or not we locally define it a different

01:41:29.540 way than you know venezuela or whatever universalization of the term is not really in question

01:41:35.700 if you have sex with a man in exchange for money uh you're a prostitute or if you do it in exchange

01:41:44.580 for goods or in exchange for services you're you're a prostitute but most only fence models do solo

01:41:50.700 work like you do mostly so you only do work with your husband so how could she be like you know what

01:41:56.140 i mean let me help you out if a woman right goes up into a hotel room okay and she gets naked and a guy

01:42:04.740 jerks off to her naked while she's playing with herself and he finishes did she engage in

01:42:09.440 prostitution or not if he pays her i would say yes she did then your arguments moot here because

01:42:16.080 most women these days don't go to hotels hang on hang on hang on hang on hang on your argument would

01:42:21.720 be moot if you consider that woman to be a prostitute the only distinction here is a video screen

01:42:27.080 and so it's like i don't know how you make that argument in good faith because you just contradicted

01:42:32.440 yourself if it's the case that a woman goes up to a hotel room gets paid money and plays with

01:42:37.160 herself until a man ejaculates uh and all you put between that is a barrier of a screen

01:42:42.820 how do you not still consider it prostitution that makes no sense to me or giving it to somebody

01:42:47.580 well it's like my important distinction so then of is giving a percentage of money to a digital pimp

01:42:53.040 i mean what's the distinction i think it's mainly when it comes to well hang on hang on hang on but you

01:42:57.580 can't just agree and then still want to redefine because it's like what's the difference between

01:43:02.400 the guy comes in your black pimp comes in and runs security and he has a toothpick in his head

01:43:06.400 you know he looks like he's wearing a suit similar to this and he comes in and he has a toothpick in

01:43:11.320 his mouth and he's like he's like hey man you know i'm a pimp named slick back and you've got to give

01:43:16.740 me thirty dollars of the hundred you just made because i was outside making sure nobody came in here and

01:43:20.900 bothered you and the prostitute gives her 30 it gives him 30 bucks and out he goes what's the difference

01:43:25.340 between that and her just having 30 automatically deducted from what she made to the digital pimp

01:43:32.440 what the fuck is the difference but how would you define prostitution because we haven't no one's

01:43:35.920 defined the term and so like i did define it i would consider prostitution to be sexual favors

01:43:41.120 right or uh selling sexual services in exchange for profit or goods or money or um services i mean

01:43:53.180 so like hey if you know i'll have sex with you if you give me this part in a play i consider that

01:43:58.700 prostitution i can understand the argument because you're looking from currently and you're saying

01:44:03.560 like with the technology available this should be considered as that i feel like a lot of the stigma

01:44:08.760 um and antiquity around the term is because of what it physically actually was right i mean like people

01:44:16.800 actually you know like the the woman would become undesirable she would be kind of uh downcast in

01:44:22.620 society and then she would get like meager amounts of money and then be kind of physically you know

01:44:28.060 like used by men can you explain how that was worse society like how's that how's that a worse society

01:44:34.420 that there's a stigma oh no there's not but it's like it seems like that's a better society put a

01:44:39.180 distinction between uh playing call of duty and shooting someone right and you could argue that

01:44:44.400 like there's an amount of that where it's like well you know i'm fully triggered someone else's avatar

01:44:48.820 wait a second i gotta take issue with this so i understand what you're saying you can you can

01:44:54.280 have like um you can have the digital deed of like i play red dead redemption and you know i'll uh i'll

01:45:01.460 like lasso a chick and run around the railroad tracks just to watch a train hit her because i think it's

01:45:05.580 hilarious right um there's a big distinction between that and and real-time applications so i agree with

01:45:12.780 you that nobody's actually getting hurt in call of duty this is all fiction this is all pixels on a

01:45:17.300 screen right this type of thing that's not the case here nobody's this is not a digital display

01:45:22.580 this is a human display with the intent of creating a sexual environment so that men can basically be

01:45:30.780 sexually gratified in exchange for resources i don't know how you get around that exactly for me

01:45:35.800 the point was actually just that like uh definitely real war of violence would you call like video game

01:45:41.360 war violence i would say not right it's a representation but like but it doesn't meet the criteria

01:45:46.260 because there would have to be something in material reality which was happening for there

01:45:50.780 to be violence so like if i say cartoon violence why do i have to caveat it with cartoon because

01:45:55.740 we're talking about yeah because we're making the caveat because this is something not happening in

01:46:00.380 objective reality sure but then i feel like i feel like you lose uh some um granularity with the term

01:46:06.820 when you just throw that in the same i mean i can understand doing that i don't see it that way

01:46:12.480 because i think you actually just lose context right like when you go oh i think that's context

01:46:17.820 like doesn't it add the most amount of context like because you're being reductive though i think

01:46:23.560 that it's reductive the other way i think that i think you're parsing instead and that's where the

01:46:29.200 reduction is going i think that it's actually i think that my term much more broadly captures what

01:46:34.620 it is that people are talking about when they're discussing prostitution and i just i don't understand

01:46:39.920 why why like a corn star for instance the only distinction is it is you know is that you're

01:46:47.740 viewing it through uh uh the lens of a monitor versus in person you're doing the exact same thing

01:46:54.980 though how's that not prostitution i don't i really don't understand that

01:46:59.400 i think it just depends if you define it as like is a male getting off to this or is she

01:47:07.340 fucking somebody in the same room whether it's like masturbation except someone has a cuck fan

01:47:12.520 so they just like to watch okay is she with the guy in a physical space i think that's how most

01:47:18.120 people would define prostitution so then by that definition which you would have to consider

01:47:23.300 of models who slept with men to be prostitutes i could see that yeah yeah

01:47:29.320 and then you would also have to say that all corn stars were prostitutes right but yeah do you see

01:47:36.240 though how now we're only parsing out you with your particular type of content that's not prostitution

01:47:43.180 only all of this other type of content is doesn't that sound really convenient to parse it out that

01:47:49.020 way like because it excludes me i feel like i feel like it's still important though for like the

01:47:54.200 individual um like in the case she mentioned where it's like some prostitutes they don't have a

01:47:58.260 choice who they sleep with right well i consider that slavery not not so i don't i don't even

01:48:04.340 consider that to be prostitution so if it's the case that you're being forced to sleep with men

01:48:10.840 against your will that's not prostitution there's no intent there right that's sex slavery that's a

01:48:16.380 whole different ball game right people who are human trafficked labels yeah yeah they're human

01:48:21.940 trafficked you don't need to call those people prostitutes because they're not and i don't think we

01:48:25.920 would i don't think most people would be like you were sold into sex slavery when you were 10 you

01:48:30.700 were a prostitute that doesn't even sound right rolling off the tongue right so i think that we

01:48:34.880 would put that in a different category of a sex slave like a legitimate one i'm not talking about

01:48:39.380 the larping sex slave shit but like that would be slavery that's i don't i don't think that fits

01:48:44.380 the criteria prostitutes have agency it is true that they do conventionally go to pimps and have less

01:48:49.940 access to their money they're paying them for protection but there's many of them who do have

01:48:54.040 access to their money who's paying their pimps for protection because most people are either

01:48:58.100 pimped out by their abusive boyfriends they are taken off the street i mean even here in california

01:49:03.100 alone like having a gorilla but there's like three different distinctions i'll give you some examples

01:49:06.840 pimps you know and gorilla pimps especially are the most i'll give you examples i've had they abduct

01:49:11.920 people you and most prostitutes don't get i'll give you some examples give away 30 out of 100 like you

01:49:18.260 give the whole 100 and you're lucky to get a mcdonald's cheeseburger and well then how could you make the

01:49:23.100 how could then how could you make the distinction that this relationship isn't a pimp a pimp prostitute

01:49:28.680 relationship if he if he hang on hang on if if he's getting a massive portion of that money

01:49:34.580 because they're married in fact because they're married and share assets he's entitled to 100 of

01:49:40.440 the money so is that does that mean that he's her pimp well hang on hang on let me ask you does that

01:49:46.860 mean he's her pimp because in this case there's sex work going on with his wife and he's entitled

01:49:54.000 to 100 of the case in other words he could legally right now drain all of her accounts right this

01:49:59.460 second or her him right and just leave tomorrow and spend all of it and it's not illegal so it's like

01:50:06.280 how how would that not make that the same relationship you're talking about again think

01:50:11.480 it's just like subjective and by choice on like who suggested it first like how mutual that decision

01:50:16.880 is you know because you can be in relationships where you're manipulated you're gaslighted into

01:50:21.080 it you're convinced like hey this is good i feel like i'm being gaslit right now honestly you're a

01:50:25.580 hot woman and like you're capable of it how's this not gaslighting i mean isn't isn't what's going on

01:50:31.080 right now you're trying to get me to accept a definition of prostitution that would be one a historical

01:50:36.560 and b wouldn't actually encapsulate what it is that we're trying to talk about what we're really

01:50:41.360 discussing which is women who are engaging in selling sex or sexual gratification to men and

01:50:49.040 women uh in exchange for goods services money like that's what we're talking about when we're talking

01:50:55.700 about a prostitute and that matches with a much more historically accurate term and by the way there

01:51:01.240 have always been elite prostitutes who did have access to their money absolutely uh escorts well

01:51:08.240 i'm talking in the historic term right there's always been a historic term yeah there is historic

01:51:13.920 term that's the isn't it called the oldest profession i agree with you when i'm saying

01:51:17.580 escorts and prostitutes there's levels to this there's like distinctive levels to like a prostitute

01:51:23.060 sex slavery is underneath prostitution i agree then there's escorts but hang on more access

01:51:27.220 they dress higher i don't mean to be nitpicky here but i have i have to be a little bit

01:51:31.140 nitpicky i don't think that you're saying when you when i hear you say this it doesn't sound like

01:51:36.120 there's levels of prostitution there's granular difference between the types of prostitution

01:51:42.080 you're engaged in that's the difference it's all prostitution this is under hang on hang on this is

01:51:47.140 the box of prostitution sex work it's under sex no sex work falls under the box of prostitution

01:51:53.160 drum and bass and there's rhythm and there's dubstep it's like sex work okay yeah read the definition

01:51:58.400 there's the sub genre please go ahead i'd love it yeah so i i just googled the definition this is

01:52:02.760 from oxford dictionary and just also off of google prostitute a person in particular a woman who engages

01:52:11.020 in sexual activity for payment do you disagree with the definition well like if i record a video of

01:52:18.080 myself right now masturbating online and then sold it to somebody that wouldn't be me yes it would

01:52:22.880 you'd be a prostitute under this definition engagement is where people get like what do you mean by

01:52:26.860 engagement like physically or like yeah how is me i guess what i mean like well engage engagement would

01:52:32.180 mean uh that you're either uh physically interacting with it right or you're in some way socially

01:52:38.720 interacting with it uh but i would say it's much more physical than anything that doesn't mean touching

01:52:44.140 so like physical activity um like for instance again if it fits the criteria that if a guy is jerking

01:52:53.120 off in a room while you're masturbating you're not technically being there's no touching going on

01:52:58.220 but i would definitely consider that and so did you to be prostitution there's a risk that he could touch

01:53:03.860 her you know like there's a chance because he is there well so they're performing that i'm not sure

01:53:07.660 that that's again i'm not sure how that would interact with the definition to make it

01:53:12.040 not the definition was made before the internet was so like they didn't they never perceived this

01:53:18.480 concept of a man can jack off to a woman they had they had playboys they had look they had playboys

01:53:25.060 before the internet and they had pictures of nudie women before the internet requesting a custom you

01:53:30.780 know i think that if you were engaged in playboy all right if you were completely nude in a playboy

01:53:36.220 or a hustler was even worse right let's say hustler so then you can't even use the model aspect

01:53:41.720 and you have things shoved into yourself in a hustler magazine which they often did

01:53:46.580 yeah i think that's prostitution i think that that definitely like you're getting money in exchange

01:53:52.440 for you uh participating in the sexual gratification of other people with intent so like i think the

01:53:59.500 difference between there could just be a really sexually attractive woman i agree that crazy dudes

01:54:05.100 online are just gonna fap to right or not even crazy guys maybe just really attracted they're fapping

01:54:09.640 to her whatever right but she's not she has no intent for that that's not her intent her intent is not

01:54:15.800 to make them do that and that's the distinction and it's like it's very clear that the intent

01:54:21.520 for the sex worker i would say prostitute is to do that and so i think that's a distinction i don't

01:54:28.060 i don't think it's that granular really so it depends on the intent of the woman

01:54:32.200 yeah it would depend on the intent of both both yeah the man uh purchasing and the woman

01:54:38.460 yeah the woman's intent is to do that gotcha wait i have a question if there's like an influencer

01:54:44.280 who like posts herself like clothes let's say and she gets money for being an influencer and there's

01:54:49.460 a guy on the other end of the or like who watches her or like consumes her content who like gets off

01:54:54.700 to her yeah the intent is not money even though she gets he gets sexually gratified is she is the

01:54:59.320 intent from her specifically to sexually gratify him in exchange for the money in her body okay

01:55:04.260 yeah it's it's always going to be like everything that's what that's what the difference between

01:55:08.100 killing and murder is he could have killed a man rightfully so by the way um but that that's not

01:55:15.140 murder even if he had killed him that wouldn't be murder because of the intent difference he wasn't

01:55:19.940 intending on hurting somebody and killing them because in some way that that meant something to

01:55:24.620 him he was intending rather to defend other people couldn't defend themselves and so now it falls under

01:55:30.940 self-defense right or falls under justifiable killing yeah i mean i don't i don't fully disagree with

01:55:35.740 your like use of the term prostitution but i think the reason why like i would be more partial to

01:55:40.200 using the term sex work is purely because throughout history and society we've used the

01:55:44.280 term prostitute to describe a woman who like or someone who like performs a sexual activity physically

01:55:50.240 with or like gives sex physical sex and i think that's not as bad or that is that is worse than

01:55:55.960 what the only fans model does we we didn't just use it for penetrative sex we used it for uh dancers

01:56:01.880 we used it for all sorts of people who engaged in sexual we would call them prostitute dancing

01:56:05.660 prostitutes or yeah strippers like strippers are definitely prostitutes people would use the

01:56:10.140 word stripper more for a stripper and prostitute well hang on in modernity but you were asking

01:56:14.480 about a historical standard okay well including modern yeah so i mean a historical standard

01:56:18.220 prostitute was actually much tighter than that it was like anything that fell under sexual activity

01:56:23.600 modernity and how it's the terms even in modernity i think my terms more useful and here's why

01:56:28.860 so i guess here's the distinction i think that she wants the term distinguished uh because she wants

01:56:35.260 to eliminate stigma but i also think i think it's to help break barriers yeah because in order to

01:56:40.360 help people you have to have distinguishing factors and like especially in society and law like they

01:56:45.580 have changed over the years on talking more on the human trafficking side or sex slavery to help

01:56:50.340 create space so i think it's about stigma and i think that what it is is it's an attempt to reduce

01:56:55.500 stigma around activities which i think and most people i think if you agree with me should be

01:57:02.800 stigmatized but and so we don't want to change the definition to make it less impactful because

01:57:07.840 it makes you feel better now i do think only fans like and like i'm not against only fans but i do

01:57:12.920 believe stigma should stay because again a big focus of what i do is about protecting and not exploiting

01:57:18.580 children and i think especially with social media today like especially young girls like they're being

01:57:24.720 horrifically like brainwashed into being convinced that this is the only way that they're going to

01:57:29.140 survive or that using their bodies online and becoming tiktok famous is like the only answer

01:57:34.340 for women and then porn is like so easily accessible for men now that it's destroyed their capacity to be

01:57:41.120 emotionally available to want connection look i totally that i totally understand over like say for

01:57:46.000 example for you like if you went out of your way and you knew that every single man you were like

01:57:49.180 selling content to was like a married man and like you actively knew those things i would personally

01:57:53.980 have problems with that because most married men have porn addictions it's destroying their families

01:57:57.920 they have children most don't well most married men if a married man sorry i said that right if a

01:58:04.160 married man is like subscribed to a bunch of only fans model it's gonna hurt his marriage yeah

01:58:08.100 and i think doing things with intent like who you're selling stuff to if you have the knowledge

01:58:12.600 like to know that like you're even flying out you know to do stuff or make content with someone who's

01:58:18.040 in a relationship and keeping secrets i think having like a mutual balance and agreement i'm like

01:58:23.400 understanding how like even though you don't intend to like harm a 16 year old boy with your your content

01:58:28.820 it could pop up on his instagram it could be very harmful to young children and to relationships and

01:58:34.040 so when you're operating in these worlds having doing those things with as much intent as possible

01:58:39.060 and like providing a safe service is like the most important thing you know like even escorts like a lot

01:58:45.220 of the times like they are treated far better than the low and bottom bottom barrel versions of

01:58:50.260 prostitutes like they are they're still prostitutes they are sex workers but don't you think they're

01:58:56.600 sex workers but hold on let me let okay let let me read the definition agree and disagree about it

01:59:01.260 but that's my just my personal finish up quickly here a person who engages in sexual activity for

01:59:06.720 payment that's the dictionary definition of prostitute do you disagree with that definition no i don't

01:59:12.660 so an escort engages in sexual activity for payment yes or no yes but i think so they're prostitutes

01:59:21.000 i don't like that definition though i just think i use the terms differently i see what you're saying

01:59:26.560 but for me it's just it's very important to use the terms what is the actual so i understand that

01:59:30.920 there's you know some women can be have pimps and some there's varying degrees of well escorts do

01:59:39.620 have pimps but they're like businesses stop okay interrupting god damn jeez i'll just be quiet

01:59:45.460 no you can discuss but allow me to at least finish my thought before you want to blurt out more of

01:59:50.840 your whatever so i already lost my train of thought um you were saying prostitutes uh there's different

01:59:57.860 levels distinction between prostitute and escort um this is why we don't want people interrupting um

02:00:04.540 there can be pimps there can be this and then so yeah there's there's varying levels of uh i guess

02:00:11.160 willfulness when it comes to perhaps even both escorts and prostitutes but if we're talking about

02:00:17.260 a prostitute who doesn't have a pimp like do you acknowledge a prostitute cannot have a pimp

02:00:21.280 yeah into the mic please yeah sorry i'm just getting really stressed i'm just i'm starting to have

02:00:26.500 anxiety i'm not trying to be like that i'm just starting to feel stressed okay can a prostitute not have

02:00:30.980 a pimp yes can a prostitute do uh do prostitution consensually no and i meant no for the first one

02:00:39.260 sorry i'm getting stressed out i don't wait a prostitute all prostitutes have pimps yes all

02:00:46.820 prostitutes do have pimps so wait only so if you're so if there is no pimp then you immediately fall into

02:00:56.940 the category of escort escorts are more higher class prostitutes they go out with higher class men

02:01:04.120 they get they wear different clothes they get higher more they some escorts get to go to like

02:01:09.220 events and they get paid to pretend to be somebody and all sorts of escorts aren't just like sex workers

02:01:14.660 in hotels and stuff but that's what i guess i don't understand maybe you can help me out um if like

02:01:20.920 let's say you're walking down the street like some guy's just walking down the street and this

02:01:23.960 chick who has no pimp at all is like hey baby i'll give you a blow job for 50 bucks and he gives

02:01:30.120 her the 50 bucks and gets the blow job right and then uh she just keeps the money there's no pimp

02:01:37.040 under your definition she wouldn't be a prostitute you'd be a sex worker a hooker

02:01:42.340 a hook yeah because she's hooking yeah yeah yeah you get to keep you yeah that's yeah yeah i

02:01:49.840 understand bottom of the barrel but you don't have a prostitute you make that by toy you're a pimp you

02:01:53.400 make that by choice but that's not prostitution to you it's sex work i think that we're getting

02:01:57.640 the disconnect is i like your umbrella for it all is prostitution my umbrella for the definition is

02:02:02.440 sex work because only because of disagreements yeah but i think i think that the semantic

02:02:06.840 disagreement is just based around stigma don't you like the idea is again you just want a reduction

02:02:12.660 in stigma and so you haven't i would consider it to be an ahistoric standard but that's what i think

02:02:19.260 is going on i think that the distinction definition is you want a reduction in stigma and i think it's

02:02:24.360 actually good to stigmatize this stuff and so i'm not going to call it and i see this language kind of

02:02:29.080 like this language thing happen oftentimes when i'm dealing with people who are um either more

02:02:34.600 progressive left i'm not saying you are but i do see it a lot where they'll kind of try to redefine

02:02:40.180 things and the understandings of things to make them less impactful than what they actually are

02:02:45.920 in order to de-stigmatize behaviors that really don't align with people's values very well and

02:02:51.340 then those become like cuss words like saying prostitute becomes a swear you know it's like

02:02:56.500 it's not though it's it's a descriptive it's it's a descriptor for an activity that's actually

02:03:01.900 happening now you can have whatever definition you want that's fine right like um you can have a

02:03:07.260 definition that doesn't agree with a dictionary definition and that's fine and i even think your

02:03:11.600 definition is consistent with what it is that you're talking about right so definitionally it's

02:03:16.140 fine i just think that the idea that we that lowering stigma by just calling prostitution sex

02:03:23.460 work when it's prostitution is just that and that's where i think the disconnect actually is

02:03:28.220 i can agree i think the reason i focus on that so heavily is again i'm starting a non-profit for

02:03:32.980 this stuff and the point is creating a safe space of like de-stigmatizing the suffering of what some

02:03:40.540 people are going through it's like um if you put an only fans model and somebody who's like

02:03:44.260 literally like being slaved away in a motel for their life and like was kidnapped like those are

02:03:48.760 two different things and when you're focused on trying to create safe spaces i just think that's a

02:03:53.280 bad example because again i think even definitionally you would agree with me that's slavery

02:03:58.020 double them up they're so good it's so good doubled i'm telling you

02:04:03.420 so really quick really quick four four terms if you can define them prostitute

02:04:16.080 escort hooker you say prostitute escort hooker four terms how do you define those four terms

02:04:22.400 in a prostitute would be somebody with a pimp who gives up their money a hooker would be somebody with

02:04:26.520 no pimp who can has a little bit more choice but they're more bottom of the barrel maybe they're on

02:04:30.560 the streets um a whore i don't i'm not the biggest fan of that term but that's just somebody who like

02:04:36.040 sleeps around by choice i guess you know what i mean it's like what's it's like no money involved

02:04:39.800 like that was a slut yeah i guess totally i've never really considered that be even lower is that

02:04:47.520 like that's like the bottom yeah i guess i've never considered the whore term of sex it's just

02:04:52.580 been slut or whore in like my generation it's like the same can i ask you a question can a woman be

02:04:56.900 convicted of the crime of prostitution without having a pimp oh yeah i totally so then a woman

02:05:05.320 can be a prostitute but that's illegal legally they they don't have as many umbrella terms for it so

02:05:10.580 yes when you're getting charged with the crime that is what it's i won't linger on this definition

02:05:15.020 stuff so if of girls don't get arrested for prostitution doing only stuff like in their room

02:05:20.840 not meeting up with people then does the law define it legally as prostitution still that's a

02:05:26.380 good question i'm actually not sure that it does or doesn't no because it's legal right it's legal

02:05:31.760 yeah this is legal so uh but i think if it was illegal then the law would right it would define

02:05:38.600 it under prostitution right but then the law is defining is not prostitution then well no it's just

02:05:43.660 defining it as legal it's not making the definition of prostitution or not prostitution one one or the

02:05:47.520 other it's just saying it's illegal activity illegal right well it depends on the state yeah but

02:05:54.100 generally speaking it is yes but so in the states i guess where it uh is illegal but only fans is legal

02:06:01.540 which is all the states it's a different it's a the government is presupposing a different definition

02:06:06.700 right yeah but they do that with porn too or yeah literally pornography too so like oh now you're

02:06:11.500 getting paid you're so like let's say that you had a guy who was like cruising to pick a chick up and

02:06:20.640 sleep with her okay and he in for money he's looking for a prostitute you would agree that that's a

02:06:27.400 prostitute if he like pulls up he's like hey baby hop in i'll give you a hundred bucks and we'll have

02:06:31.160 sex together that's prostitution at the very least right yeah okay but why wouldn't it be prostitution

02:06:37.620 if he pulls up he's like hey baby i'm gonna give you a hundred bucks and we're gonna have sex and

02:06:41.240 i'm gonna film it and like now it's not like you see how absurd that is yeah so the thing is is like

02:06:47.940 uh that would still be prostitution even though under the law it might be legal do you see what i mean

02:06:52.940 i would say your intent part would play in and i don't think it would be because the intent part

02:06:59.980 right the intent was not you know in theory because if they're just saying that to get to have sex for

02:07:04.720 money well to make uh uh content right well to make profit off of it but ultimately the woman is

02:07:11.920 selling sex in exchange for money she's prostituting you lose more um by trying to put them all in a

02:07:17.540 category versus like you know uh just saying what they are like even adding an e in front of it like

02:07:22.600 you know if you wanted to say e prostitution like that's way more like uh descriptive and and granular

02:07:28.260 like i know exactly what you're trying to say right where you say prostitution i have to think like

02:07:32.700 wait okay i actually so i agree in a sense and the last thing i'll say on it brian i would just say

02:07:37.660 that i would put i would put this definition under the idea of it's all prostitution and then within

02:07:42.740 the confines of that there's e prostitution there's escorting there's stripping there's this and i do

02:07:47.860 think that that captures the idea fairly well like if i'm like that chick's a prostitute right and you

02:07:54.500 say well what does uh does somebody pick her up and pay her to have sex with her and you go no she takes

02:07:59.580 her clothes off online and masturbates i don't think that they're gonna argue i think you're gonna

02:08:03.440 be like okay yeah she's a prostitute that's what i think since uh it came up briefly we won't linger

02:08:09.780 on it long but the topic did come up earlier really quick on charlie kirk we had you on the show we had

02:08:14.180 you on the show lola uh shortly after what uh that did you guys have any further thoughts on on that

02:08:20.600 topic no further thoughts since then i mean overall i i don't agree with a lot of his rhetoric

02:08:27.060 but i respect like i mean i respect anyone having the ability to share their political thoughts and i

02:08:32.200 condemn the fact that he was assassinated yeah i mean i think that her and i seem to be very on the

02:08:37.800 same page um there seemed to be a bit of a misconception that i was like celebrating his death

02:08:43.740 by any means so wanted to clarify that last show as well i did say that i won't be making like any

02:08:49.280 claims on my personal beliefs there you did i think try to compare him to adolf

02:08:56.580 that was um mustache man no um in the moment as well i think i was very clear that it wasn't a

02:09:04.820 comparison but rather a clarifying question for the argument you were making um what was the

02:09:09.660 clarifying question well i was trying to understand that because the conversation ended up i found the

02:09:14.380 better wording which was i was trying to understand if you think that there is a threshold for evil

02:09:18.200 someone can hit in order to deserve some treatment like that assassination sure and my argument was

02:09:24.120 never whether or not charlie kirk had hit that threshold or not i just wanted to understand if

02:09:28.860 you thought that that existed but in the sorry go ahead so the example that i used was the most

02:09:34.280 extreme personification of evil i could find not someone that i thought was similar to him right but

02:09:39.400 in the context of having a conversation about charlie kirk it seems like you were attempting to bolster

02:09:44.500 your position by saying well but hold on brian you perhaps would be in favor of assassination under

02:09:50.420 x circumstance in this case you you uh cited to adolf mustache man sure yeah but so it seemed like

02:09:59.440 you were doing a sort of well perhaps in our day and age charlie kirk was you know espousing at least

02:10:06.200 from your perspective certain rhetoric that you might deem to be radical or deeply offensive or even harmful

02:10:12.160 and thus uh you can perhaps understand why someone might feel justified in the assassination of

02:10:19.980 charlie kirk yes i'm not do you do you feel like it was justified do i personally believe it was

02:10:26.900 justified yeah i'm not maybe you wouldn't do it but you feel like you can you see why somebody would

02:10:32.580 um see that's a complicated complicated question i personally am very like anti-violence in every

02:10:41.060 regard i don't think anyone should kill anyone um but like it's like the same kind of question if

02:10:47.040 you were to ask me like uh someone with psychosis accidentally kill someone else in the psychotic

02:10:52.820 episode do i understand why they did it yeah do i think that they were justified no like that's the

02:10:58.880 that's why i don't think that that question really can be asked in this circumstance like i guess to

02:11:03.940 some extent i can get in his head like if this guy told me explicitly what he was thinking in the

02:11:08.460 moment yeah i mean i that was if it's communicated sure i understand where his head was at it doesn't

02:11:13.680 matter if i think that he was like in the right or not i just don't think people should be killing

02:11:19.580 people okay but you do you understand you see the motivation for it because it's i you mentioned like

02:11:28.480 somebody has a psychotic episode and they're just batshit crazy right but when we're talking about

02:11:33.300 political violence i think we're talking about something different where the motivation is to

02:11:38.300 either create like uh well suppress the individual in question so you know if charlie kirk had massive

02:11:44.800 levels of influence so let's suppress that uh in a quite physically violent sort of way but then also

02:11:52.760 like these sort of cascading effects from there in terms of the chilling effect and the suppression of

02:11:59.160 oh okay if i'm a conservative if i have like milk toast sort of uh mostly mainstream conservative

02:12:06.840 uh opinion in the united states this opens me up to killing violence assassination by liberals leftist

02:12:15.020 democrats so forth yeah well i mean again i don't think anyone should be killing anyone i don't

02:12:20.580 think anyone should have killed charlie kirk um and i also don't necessarily i think that you know

02:12:25.860 the motivations could be things that we don't necessarily understand like it it doesn't it

02:12:29.480 doesn't have to be that they're trying to suppress them yeah sorry go ahead go ahead i was going to

02:12:33.540 give different examples but i think we're on the same page okay and just then what about i i get that

02:12:38.460 you think hey killing bad violence bad what about the rejoicing though of course some people might

02:12:43.580 say okay the violence is terrible but some people do uh were rejoicing they might not have ever

02:12:50.460 themselves wanted to commit this crime but they rejoiced in it they were happy about it reveled they

02:12:56.020 reveled they reveled uh do you think that that's justified um i i think that justified is a complicated

02:13:02.900 word there do i think it's moral no but can i understand the fact that people i mean genuinely over

02:13:10.280 all of his years on the internet he from my perspective really really was not like i think that he did

02:13:17.220 promote harm for a number of people um i think that a number of people felt threatened by his

02:13:22.180 beliefs i think that a lot of his debates could fall under the category of harassment at a certain

02:13:27.340 point um harassment yeah i've seen um you know a lot of his debates in which he is telling people that

02:13:35.500 they are making up their experiences because they don't align with his beliefs or that how's that

02:13:39.840 harassment though well i've seen him say that people are making up hate crimes and that that kind of

02:13:44.660 thing doesn't actually happen to them i just think that how's that harassment though um i think that

02:13:49.120 it can it is i suppose it wasn't the right word um my point is it's hateful i do believe that it's

02:13:54.960 hateful what specifically is hateful um trying to put down people belittle them accuse them of lying

02:14:01.300 um all in order to prove a point on your end i don't think it's good faith i don't think that it's

02:14:07.080 a good faith debater i don't think his intention really was to hear perspectives i think a lot of his

02:14:11.400 debates uh he was making a conscious effort to back people into some parts well hang on i got to

02:14:16.760 get a little pushback here because some parts of a debate the important parts in fact are to reduce

02:14:23.180 a person's positions down often to find out if they're lying like because people lie during debates

02:14:29.260 all the time yeah and reducing their position will often expose that right so i'm not sure that

02:14:36.140 having an assumption a person may be lying to you based on the details they're giving you that

02:14:40.280 sound suspect and you begin to probe those details and then you find inconsistencies and find out

02:14:44.920 they're full of shit i don't i don't think there's anything wrong with that or i don't see how that's

02:14:49.240 hateful well i think there's a difference between probing for the sake of curiosity and then deeming

02:14:53.640 something untrue without proper evidence i have seen like what was an example of where charlie kirk did

02:14:59.720 that because he was a very good faith debater kirk was a very good different definitions of good

02:15:05.020 faith but i mean like one specific thing that comes to mind was no i well what let's start with

02:15:12.700 this what is good what does good faith mean i'll give you my definition real quick sure okay so to

02:15:17.660 me good faith is that you're advocating the positions you actually believe in and you're

02:15:22.800 arguing those positions that's good faith sure um and and you're willing to also change your mind

02:15:31.240 based on new evidence for your positions i also think that or concede points i think that that's

02:15:35.840 also maybe a part of good faith yeah so i would agree with you on this definition and i um would

02:15:42.160 probably add that uh if i i would consider it bad faith if there's any intention to uh make someone

02:15:49.320 look stupid at the expense of i don't see how that has anything to do with anything making i do think

02:15:54.960 that's something that like making somebody look stupid right if they're engaging in a debate with you

02:15:59.700 as part of rhetoric that goes all the way back to socrates plato um socrates was a blood sport

02:16:06.680 debater and so you know like so was his his he had minions and they would go out in the streets and

02:16:12.220 debate with people including the aristocracy and they made him look really fucking stupid i think

02:16:16.440 she means like personal attacks yeah my my point i said a personal attack can actually be

02:16:22.640 appropriate in a debate like an ad hominem kind of thing well that's not an ad hom an ad hom is not

02:16:26.540 actually a personal attack an ad hom is when you make a personal attack instead of addressing the

02:16:30.720 argument so like let me give you an example let's say you're arguing with a woman you're an aggressive

02:16:35.720 debater okay and you say you would know sorry yeah and you say you say um no that's not true because

02:16:44.360 of x y and z you stupid bitch right that's not an ad hom it's not that's an insult i'd say it's a

02:16:52.760 personal attack and sure it's a personal attack but good faith there's nothing well there's nothing

02:16:58.080 bad faith if you think they're a stupid bitch if you call someone a stupid bitch like you might

02:17:02.640 think it's look then this is the problem with people who who don't really study debate but i'll

02:17:07.280 tell i'll explain it to you right it is in fact the case that an ad hom is only when you're not

02:17:12.940 addressing the argument and are deferring instead to a personal attack so if i were to say

02:17:18.340 shut up you stupid bitch i don't care that's a fucking ad hom right but if i said no uh you're

02:17:25.440 wrong because actually what's going on is a b c and d and this refute your argument you stupid bitch

02:17:30.780 that's not an ad hom that's actually uh just part of rhetoric that's the distinction between a classic

02:17:38.660 fallacious move which is an ad hominem and a non-fallacious move which is personal insults are part of

02:17:45.100 rhetoric so i mean i still believe political discourse should be conducted with some level

02:17:50.220 of maturity totally understand and that's that's look that's reasonable it's reasonable for you to

02:17:54.760 say i want parameters around debate and things like that i'm just letting you know that in the future

02:17:59.240 you could use that to your advantage you could tell someone hey xyz blah blah blah refute your

02:18:04.540 argument you dick you haven't actually done an ad hom you just don't like the concept of like

02:18:09.480 respect that much which is fine wait wait hold on what did i do that was disrespectful to you

02:18:15.380 i didn't say you did anything disrespectful to me you're like oh disrespectful jokes are totally cool

02:18:20.760 like oh disrespect during a political debate respect is earned it's not something that that's given

02:18:27.640 it's earned and the thing is is uh i think that i have to earn it from people as much as they have to

02:18:32.980 earn it from me and i'm just trying to be completely open and honest with you in this conversation about

02:18:38.520 what it is that i think and why it is that i think those things so what about that is disrespectful

02:18:43.860 or even advocating if i if you had called me like a stupid bitch at some point in this conversation so

02:18:49.580 far then i would find that disrespectful but he was making a distinction yeah no i wasn't calling i

02:18:55.180 wasn't calling you anything i'm not saying you wasn't making an advocation to call people a stupid

02:18:59.920 no no no i was just giving an example he was saying if he did that it wouldn't be in the example

02:19:05.860 he gave or he said well here's my argument xyz you stupid you know biatch yeah oftentimes people

02:19:11.020 will i just wouldn't i wouldn't call that super good faith that's all no but he's not making an

02:19:15.420 advocation that he would do that he would say stupid bitch he's saying if he did it wouldn't be an add-on

02:19:21.080 okay okay as long as you as yeah just distinguishes between the idea of rhetoric which rhetoric is

02:19:28.060 anything which is convincing it's not logical argumentation i just i just think someone who operates

02:19:33.060 in good faith doesn't use that sort of language well good faith bad faith is not part of debate

02:19:38.680 discourse at all actually that's a term that we like to use and throw around for people who are

02:19:44.640 usually just saying shit we disagree with honestly it doesn't mean much um that's why i just say in my

02:19:50.260 terms like i think a person i'm arguing with who's good faith is just actually advocating what they

02:19:54.960 believe for the most part that's enough for me that's an important part because most of the time

02:19:59.280 people will switch like fucking chameleons what they think based on who they're arguing

02:20:02.980 and and what it is that they're arguing about and i think that that really is what's encapsulating

02:20:08.600 bad faith more than anything like i would rather have a person going you're a fucking piece of shit

02:20:12.740 and this and that as long as i knew what they actually thought you know because because then i can

02:20:17.840 argue with you but i can't argue with you if you're a fucking rally in a snake and you just constantly

02:20:22.680 switch positions in the middle of a debate and then i'm like yeah you know i can't pin down anything

02:20:27.160 that you believe so i i really think good faith is really that i agree that claim donated two

02:20:32.060 hundred and ninety nine dollars thank you claim you have a table full of halls that's not true

02:20:37.320 that's not true paid for their time how much does cuban bruce lee make the girl he pretends to care

02:20:44.940 about okay you gotta admit cuban bruce lee's fucking funny that's pretty funny it never crosses a line

02:20:50.380 from me yeah isn't there only like one person who does only fans here i know it's a fucking

02:20:57.240 cuban bruce lee's the funniest shit ever that that was good yeah i do enjoy a good cuban cigar

02:21:02.960 you see how mean men are to each other all the time like i wouldn't even be upset with that guy if

02:21:09.700 he said to my face yeah it's just funny but uh clay and i i i mean i don't know if there's consensus

02:21:15.420 on the exact definition of horror but i'm actually not sure if any of the women here

02:21:20.100 meet the horror definition so uh not legally right something something like that uh well moving off of

02:21:30.280 uh moving off of that uh going to shona some of your show notes that you provided you uh you wanted

02:21:37.020 to hear you wanted to hear about andrew's philosophy against feminism maybe that goes into like force

02:21:44.320 doctrine stuff oh yeah i wanted to hear about that in particular oh no i'm just like i'm infected

02:21:49.000 with the woke virus so i need to be enlightened with the woke virus you're not gonna like it i

02:21:53.380 need to be enlightened andrew please help me out yeah so well let's just start with can i tell you

02:21:59.060 what i think feminism is can you tell me about force doctrine first or do would you i think i need

02:22:03.880 to caveat i think i need to caveat it with what i think feminism is i think feminism is an egalitarian

02:22:10.040 movement which is designed to dismantle patriarchy that's what i think feminism is equal rights kind

02:22:16.080 of thing no because i would egalitarian would would match the equal rights but you're missing the

02:22:21.900 dismantling patriarchy aspect i think that feminism has a stated goal of dismantling patriarchal systems

02:22:27.820 because it uses a lens of an oppressor oppressed class and if you're an oppressed class who you're

02:22:33.960 oppressed by well in the case of all women being oppressed they have who else could they be

02:22:38.800 oppressed by except men and men are the patriarchy i mean when i talk about when i like think about

02:22:44.380 like feminism and look at today's world i don't think men are oppressing women and that the system

02:22:49.120 we live in especially like legally is patriarchal i think there's people with patriarchal ideals

02:22:54.000 why do we need feminism for well i mean when i think of feminism i just think of like encouraging

02:22:58.840 women to pursue what they want to pursue whether that's like in a professional space why would we

02:23:02.780 need so why do we need feminism then because there's a lot of women who maybe feel like they can't

02:23:08.720 like they should do a certain thing and who's the oppressor here who's oppressing them into

02:23:12.680 believing i'm not saying anyone's the oppressor so then feminism to you is just an advocation that

02:23:17.480 women should just do what they want yeah that's it yeah i mean i think there's like feminists who

02:23:22.920 say like oh we live in such a patriarchy and we're so oppressed and then there's feminists who say like

02:23:27.860 who just support women just like pursuing their goals reaching their fullest potential and being

02:23:32.480 but you don't believe women should strive for all goals right like well you can have bad goals

02:23:38.720 you shouldn't pursue you would agree with that i mean i mean when it comes to like me evaluating

02:23:44.000 other people's goals pursue whatever goal you want to pursue so long as you're not causing

02:23:47.840 active harm to anyone okay so so you have an active harm principle so the active harm principle is like

02:23:54.080 um do as thou wilt as long as it harms nobody else yeah that's impossible though because directly

02:24:00.600 yeah but this is the problem with the harm principle in general is that most people don't have

02:24:06.580 goals that are harming people like most women aren't trying to pursue i think that people don't

02:24:10.980 generally set out to harm people but i think that people can have goals that harm people whether they

02:24:16.040 set out the goals i'm talking about are personal and professional goals mostly yeah like this is my

02:24:20.720 life goal this is what i want to do this is my purpose would you then consider someone who is putting

02:24:24.660 out content that might be racy that if a 16 year old boy came across it it would be harmful to him

02:24:32.060 that could harm him yeah yeah could harm him but i mean also that like pivots into my whole like

02:24:37.000 beliefs on the sex work debate i want to stay focused on this well okay so well i'll just i guess

02:24:42.980 i'll try to make it easy for you so i think um i think patriarchy itself is the stated goal of

02:24:49.920 deconstruction from feminism i do think that they want to deconstruct the patriarchy and they're trying

02:24:54.380 to move women into egalitarian positions with men and that's why the patriarchy has to be

02:24:58.800 deconstructed i mean when i think of feminism i think of like a broad range of movements you have

02:25:02.400 like the first wave of feminism modern feminism encompasses a lot of like different degrees of

02:25:07.240 beliefs which is why i like i want to hear more about like the whole force doctrine thing well force

02:25:12.380 doctrine is just advocating that men have a monopoly on force and so since men have a monopoly on force

02:25:19.200 women are always going to have to appeal to a patriarchal system to enforce their rights

02:25:24.140 and so no matter what happens you end up with circularity men are have the monopoly on force

02:25:30.660 women will always have to appeal to men for force therefore it's true feminism and dismantling of

02:25:35.400 patriarchy is never possible because they're always appealing to the patriarchy in order to enforce

02:25:39.980 their rights so i mean when i hear you say that what i immediately think is like you're drawing

02:25:44.220 a sort of legitimacy from the fact that men have greater strength greater capacity for force and

02:25:49.620 violence they have the monopoly on force right they do have the legitimacy from your world view

02:25:54.820 not mine but it's your world that gives them the legitimacy i mean i'm not the one advocating for

02:25:59.060 force doctrine do you believe in god yeah okay are you a christian you're not a christian so what

02:26:04.340 kind of god do you believe in i'm hindu you're hindu like practicing hindu yes why is that so funny

02:26:10.600 well okay that's fine i'm just curious like why you first so well because hinduism and harm reductionism

02:26:16.660 isn't exactly synonymous which means that you have a different distinction principle i don't like

02:26:21.260 draw my political views based on my religion completely i'm really don't you draw your political

02:26:26.880 views from your morals i mean yeah then where do you get your morals except from your religion

02:26:32.400 i mean i don't i don't get all my morals from religion where do you get them from i think there's

02:26:38.560 like some sort of like notion of like objective like universally understood morals that go beyond

02:26:43.420 religion i also believe in like separation of like no that's just subjective morality you're

02:26:48.080 just talking about preference so you you get your morals from things you prefer like things i

02:26:53.220 prefer more moral than things just like how i think people should be treated anyways well that's

02:26:58.420 important and the reason that that's important that we're figuring out where you draw your morality

02:27:02.380 i would also say i'm not like super devout to where religions like heavily i understand so then

02:27:08.060 we got preference but if it's just if it just comes down to preference then every man's preference

02:27:13.820 is equal to your preference everybody's preferences so why is it not legitimate for men to collectivize

02:27:19.560 and utilize force for the purposes of upping their station in society and that's what i was going to

02:27:23.940 touch on because what i when you say like okay men have a monopoly on force when we need to appeal

02:27:28.460 to men to gain the rights it's circular you're like drawing legitimacy for men from their monopoly

02:27:33.980 on force and when i see you like kind of equate strength and legitimacy it it's like it's kind

02:27:40.940 of a dangerous slippery slope but then i think about like i think about it this way what other

02:27:44.260 legitimacy is there listen listen i think about it this way when you draw legitimacy from strength

02:27:48.100 it's like okay pedophiles could collectively overpower little children that's right and then it

02:27:54.740 seems to like almost force doctrine to me would seem to justify that then you're suddenly justifying

02:27:58.820 every tyrannical invading force throughout history including or russia invading ukraine

02:28:03.760 world war ii nazism it's a very well or you're justifying the opposite you're justifying the

02:28:09.480 overthrowing of the nazism and justifying the overthrowing of pedophilic cults or justifying

02:28:13.820 the overthrowing of of said evil deed forced doctrine would do both but that doesn't really negate the fact

02:28:20.520 that what you're doing is you're just always appealing to men again for your rights always when you talk

02:28:27.200 about how men have a monopoly in force you're talking about like okay men are like physically

02:28:30.740 biologically stronger well it because that's like what you mean look i'll defer to the ifbb pro

02:28:36.380 okay i'm guessing that physically she's one of the like most females are not stronger than the average

02:28:43.100 male but you're talking but you may be but in comparison to ifbb pro males she's not i'm yeah you're

02:28:49.860 making most of them are stronger on average right i mean you're pointing but what i'm saying is that

02:28:56.120 just on average and it's not minuscule like no offense right but i'm guessing that there's hormone

02:29:02.380 replacement and all sorts of thing that goes on that assists with you being able to really get jacked

02:29:09.020 the way that you are right okay for sure so the thing is is like men are also doing that the ifbb and

02:29:15.300 they get much stronger and it's not a slight distinction in strength you're talking about hang on

02:29:20.140 you're talking about 50 to 75 strength differential that is fucking huge that's like fighting with a

02:29:26.260 gorilla that's like fighting with a gorilla i agree from a man's perspective i agree men are collectively

02:29:31.480 a lot like biologically physically much much physically stronger than the average woman what i was gonna say

02:29:36.500 is like when you talk about force you know and you think about today um okay let's say you have a

02:29:42.340 5-2 woman who has access to military grade weaponry and a missile program and then you have

02:29:47.040 a 180 pound six foot whatever man super strong who just has like a handgun

02:29:52.880 force today it can be like remote and can be mechanical and is not purely biological she could

02:29:59.720 physically using force overpower him and who's in charge who's in charge of all of this industry and

02:30:06.920 builds all these weapons and uses all these weighing on and uses all these weapons and designs all these

02:30:12.420 weapons i mean women are equally capable of being weapons engineers i think it's more of an

02:30:16.740 intellectual accomplishment how come they're not then because i mean throughout history women have

02:30:22.040 not been had not been encouraged to enter those kinds of spaces but like if you put a woman into

02:30:28.220 that field today and a man into that field i think they could both be perfectly successful at it let me

02:30:32.400 just ask you a question have you ever fired a gun no no never right i've never fired a gun no no

02:30:39.080 do you are you aware that they actually require a decent amount of physical strength to handle

02:30:43.900 properly sure yeah i've heard about that yeah i mean okay and the bigger the gun the more physical

02:30:50.740 strength is required and the other problem is is that you have to carry lots of ammo and that requires

02:30:55.940 a lot of physical strength and you have to carry a bunch of gear to feed yourself and then you have

02:30:59.120 to carry bulletproof vests that you're wearing so that when you get shot right you don't die i think

02:31:04.300 if you gave me a gun etc etc etc and the problem is we know this from hundreds of years of military

02:31:11.240 collected data not just here but in every nation on planet earth that women can't consistently have

02:31:17.160 to have the standards lowered for them on average so that they can in any way shape or form keep up with

02:31:22.980 men in those roles what that tells us collectively is this they're not as good in them men have a huge

02:31:30.740 advantage in all aspects even including weapons including drone pilot even drone piloting they

02:31:36.120 have advantages and just being able to build things quicker almost everything about them is designed as

02:31:41.480 the super predator of the earth not predatory in the way that they victimize but predatory in the way

02:31:47.040 that they can quickly kill almost anything they want to with very little resistance from anything that

02:31:52.320 exists because of that i'm sorry but you're never going to be able to equalize force between

02:31:58.500 a sex that's 50 on average weaker than them no matter what technological advances you think

02:32:05.920 you're going to make but it is the case that in that scenario a woman could physically using that

02:32:10.260 kind of force overpower the man it is hypothetically if you're talking about the highest grade it could

02:32:15.060 be hypothetically like i'm willing to grant that you can have a logical possibility what where women

02:32:20.080 have like a fucking i don't know dystopian technological future where they invent all of the technology

02:32:26.060 and enforce all of their right through machinery okay i'm willing to grant that but the thing is is

02:32:32.060 like that's not going to happen and uh it's not the case now and it's not going to be the case in our

02:32:38.700 lifetime or the lifetime of your mom or your mom's mom or even your mom's mom so right now at least the

02:32:45.180 case is that you have to appeal to men for force and so feminism as a dismantling of patriarchy is not

02:32:51.160 possible because you're appealing to the very thing you're trying to dismantle always to dismantle it

02:32:56.680 but it's also interesting because when i think about political movements throughout history in

02:33:00.140 this country that have been super effective they've done so through social organization

02:33:04.340 protests political pressure cultural influence things that have nothing to do with force because

02:33:09.100 like those are appealing to the government the people in power and what does the government use

02:33:13.680 the government has access to force but these movements have still been successful because men have

02:33:19.000 allowed them to be but in places where men don't allow them to be they're not can i give you the

02:33:23.180 entirety of the middle east and asia what happens to your little political movements there well i'm

02:33:30.020 talking about what happens to your little political movements in afghanistan do your little political

02:33:36.200 movements with the holding of the little sign saying i don't want to wear this really hot fucking

02:33:40.820 burka in the 100 degree sun and they come out and cut their fucking head off how do they do over

02:33:46.140 there they don't do so good how come it's because men allow you to keep those signs up men allow you

02:33:53.740 to protest men are the ones who give the allowance for you to do fucking anything on planet earth and

02:33:58.220 my my proof is half of planet earth where men said no fuck that and you know what women can do about it

02:34:04.320 nothing they can't do anything about it but in the democrat the democratic country we live in those

02:34:11.680 i'll rely on men i'll rely on men allowing you to have a democracy right i think you're you're

02:34:18.160 thinking that women were able to get rights to vote just because of their protest but no it's

02:34:23.840 actually because they needed votes since so many men were at war or dying in war like women weren't

02:34:28.820 allowed to vote until i'm also just curious at that point hold on let her finish yeah women just

02:34:33.620 weren't allowed to like be educated and vote until like we decided the men decided we need women to

02:34:38.620 enter the economy we need women to enter the voting pool so we can win more because men are dying

02:34:43.820 in these wars actually there's a lot of truth to that with what industrialist what what industrialization

02:34:50.100 did and industrialists did with wanting to get women to have cheaper labor enter into the workforce

02:34:55.620 but ultimately the the interesting part here is that all of this just proves force doctrine the truth

02:35:02.740 is is that if men collectivize for rights they can get them because we can kill other men we have a

02:35:10.040 monopoly on force we can kill men we can take our rights let me give you the revolutionary war as an

02:35:15.460 example of this we don't like our conditions we'll fucking kill you and make new conditions that's what

02:35:20.460 men are capable of doing in the historic record when i looked i never found not one time a single

02:35:28.160 instance of women being able to collectivize and use force to take anything from men ever it's i've never

02:35:35.820 once found it and i looked hard i want to see if there was even one example there's not one can you

02:35:42.340 think of a single time ever in history the history that you know about where women have collectivized

02:35:49.100 and used force to take anything from men not force and so if that's the case and men have a monopoly

02:35:55.140 on force you're always going to have to appeal to them to not use it on you because here's the

02:35:59.440 dirty truth and it's brutal and i'm sorry but i'm not going to lie to you because i have the standard of

02:36:05.160 half the world to look at i know that if men collectivize in the west and decide to put women

02:36:10.280 in little cages there's not a shit they can do about it so they really have to appeal to the benevolence

02:36:16.200 of men and all they do is demonize them and that's fucking crazy to me i mean again like when i when i

02:36:21.280 mentioned earlier how that kind of justifies like any tyrannical invading force do you think the

02:36:25.120 there's not a justification it's a descriptive the less powerful party in that situation

02:36:28.840 should just appease to the oppressor or the invading force the thing is is that you're gonna

02:36:33.640 well here's the thing um let me ask you this if you have somebody who's larger than you are

02:36:40.640 right and can beat you up do you talk shit to them no not why not so they don't beat me they

02:36:49.420 don't beat you up right but there should still be some kind of hang on hang on is that a form of

02:36:52.920 appeasement well i just distanced myself from this person so it's not a form of appeasement

02:36:58.100 hang on hang on answer the question i asked first is it a form of appeasement when someone's much

02:37:03.100 larger than you so you don't talk shit to them because they don't because you don't want to get

02:37:07.340 beat up is that appeasing i mean you're not really doing anything right it's not appeasement then

02:37:12.760 sure so when so when we're talking about this it's not appeasement either if you bring in a third

02:37:16.440 party in that situation i think they have a responsibility to call out the person who's well i think that the

02:37:21.280 case is is that if you aggravate if you aggravate the sex who is responsible for your fucking rights

02:37:28.040 and then they take them away well that's just like going up to the six foot four guy as me right who's

02:37:35.100 280 pounds and going fuck you i'm gonna do what i want and then when he smashes my face does it matter

02:37:40.560 if i give him my moral objection if i'm like that's really immoral that you just did that he's gonna be

02:37:45.380 that's nice they don't give a shit about my moral objection they're gonna beat my fucking head in

02:37:51.440 and the thing is is like okay since that's an objective reality the objective reality here for

02:37:57.120 women is exactly the same if you decide to continue the agitation of men if women collectively do that

02:38:03.860 men are capable of taking everything from women and the reverse isn't true okay when i think about

02:38:08.800 what you're saying in the context of the world we live in today a society that's advanced a lot more

02:38:13.420 than that intellectually is not just this caveman primitive i beat you up you listen to me you

02:38:18.500 appease to me kind of way because it's very like it's very stone age actually it's very interesting

02:38:22.740 it's funny to me that you weird appeal to natural it's the problem that you have is you have what's

02:38:27.580 called a normalcy bias see you rate you were raised in this world and in this world the one that you

02:38:33.080 currently live in it is the case that we're all very civil to each other we're all very nice and we

02:38:37.920 all have we're governed by laws and we're governed by this and we're governed by that

02:38:41.300 and if there's a zombie apocalypse tomorrow the misogynist who's down the road who's the

02:38:46.260 fucking gun holder with the bunker you'll be bashing on his fucking door say please let me in

02:38:50.000 this is fucking crazy what do i do and i don't blame you for that because i'm gonna do the same

02:38:55.160 shit i'm gonna run over and be like what the fuck do i do man there's zombies everywhere this is

02:38:58.680 fucking crazy when the curtain goes down society right now the benefits that women have are incredible

02:39:05.520 and you have no idea how beneficial it is to you that how good men really are to keep a society

02:39:11.020 like this going they're extraordinarily benevolent in what they do it's insane and to think that like

02:39:17.720 we can look at half the world where they're they are technologically advanced in china okay yes they

02:39:23.560 are i mean they're almost surpassing us as a superpower they're super advanced in japan they're super

02:39:30.240 advanced in the middle east and many of the nations and they go like that and women have no rights

02:39:36.500 and so it's like wait at that point why do you even gender force doctrine like shouldn't you

02:39:40.880 suddenly exclude every like disabled elderly or frail man and include every super strong buff woman

02:39:46.820 well we're talking just make it based on strength at that point yeah do you understand though what

02:39:51.560 collective force would mean between the sexes so collective force between sexes actually means

02:39:57.880 something like a 50 year old man is still very fucking dangerous to a 20 year old woman who's strong

02:40:04.040 to a twang to a 20 year old woman who's strong a 60 year old man is still a significant threat to

02:40:10.260 them i mean it could be the case that and not only that was really strong and he was really frail

02:40:15.280 women get overpowered by their 11 year old sons that's how bad it is it's not it's not a just like

02:40:21.120 a woman could overpower a really old frail man yeah some but the thing is it's like based around

02:40:26.660 you're talking about based around collective action and when you're talking about collective action it

02:40:31.840 doesn't matter how many outliers you point to oh there's a guy over there who's in a wheelchair

02:40:35.460 oh there's a dude over there who can't do who can't lift anything oh there's a dude over there

02:40:39.380 who can't use a gun i agree those examples are there but collective action is usually done uniformly

02:40:45.080 between a collective but then in that case don't you think there's a sort of like injustice within

02:40:49.640 this force doctrine idea what's the injustice it's a descriptor it's not a prescription it's suddenly

02:40:54.500 every strong women doesn't get to woman what is it's woman not women not strong women oh my god

02:41:00.920 wait really quick just on what andrew said i i just want to make sure that you understand that

02:41:05.420 and so it's a descriptor not a prescriptor yeah yeah i understand not saying yes he's not saying

02:41:11.080 yes we should do this we should subjugate women that's not his argument he's just saying this this

02:41:15.760 is not what not what should be not what ought to be yeah this is okay how come those middle eastern

02:41:21.460 men in wheelchairs have rights and the strong women in the middle east don't monopoly on force but

02:41:27.920 what i would say so hang on collective the collective still is what matters so the thing

02:41:32.020 is an injustice well justice right how do you ground justice if you don't ground it in god

02:41:38.960 isn't it just preference like morality yeah what is justice tell me what now listen this is i'm not

02:41:46.060 trying to make this a trick question and i'm going to just caveat this with this explaining what justice

02:41:50.580 is it's like the hardest concept in the world okay so i'm not going to hold you to this right

02:41:55.080 instead i'm just gonna i'm just gonna say okay you can try to to ground justice talking about

02:41:59.200 justice like i mean like when i'm talking about justice in the context of like rights i think

02:42:03.720 i mean in that case you don't have rights there are no rights they're made up

02:42:07.760 do you not believe in the concept of rights no they're made up where do they come from

02:42:12.820 point to one the government they're like okay i would define the government gives you rights

02:42:17.680 in this country yeah well no no just period can i define rights yeah protections given to

02:42:24.700 individuals in society oh given they're given to you they're legally enforced and what makes it a

02:42:32.460 right if it's given to you can be taken away yeah it doesn't sound like you have a right then sounds

02:42:37.480 like you have force sounds like somebody uses force in order to collectivize to make sure that you can

02:42:42.580 do or not do something that's not really a right that's not like the justice in rights when you're

02:42:48.820 talking to say when you say i have the right to speak you have the right to speak speech yeah that's

02:42:53.000 a right yeah it's a right as long as somebody says you have it how do you feel about the

02:42:56.160 constitution hang on as long as someone says you have it that's it that's the only way you have

02:43:01.700 rights you don't have rights rights don't exist they're they're concepts they're made up just

02:43:05.340 because something's awarded or given to someone it doesn't mean it doesn't exist where does it exist

02:43:09.420 where does the right exist can you point to one can you touch it can you taste it can you smell it

02:43:13.380 so if you can't physically or tangibly interact with something it doesn't exist where does it exist

02:43:19.440 where it is okay well like love is a real thing you can't touch or isn't love just a combination of

02:43:25.220 chemicals in your body that give you a reaction i mean so that exists right do you only believe in

02:43:31.940 tangible concepts that's interesting well no i i'm i'm looking at your worldview okay i'll think i'm

02:43:38.100 looking at your something more like real okay what what is it grounded in if someone like if someone

02:43:44.140 tried to like like kill you then they would be arrested because so it's just grounded in the

02:43:53.100 law so everything in the middle east is fine because it's lawful i didn't say it was fine okay

02:43:56.680 well then what is it grounded i'm just talking about like the practical application of rights

02:44:00.040 if someone violates your rights yeah but what is it grounded in what do you ground rights in other

02:44:04.740 than you like them the law so then then if you take rights away via the law that would be justified

02:44:10.700 right no you shouldn't take rights how do you ground rights in the law but then if i say i'm

02:44:15.980 going to use the law to take your rights away the very grounding you're using that's him that's bad

02:44:20.500 but the other way it's good what how do you getting confused here because yeah no i'm not but i mean

02:44:27.120 like i think the confusion is going like you're saying that i have rights because the constitution

02:44:31.440 says so it feels like a moral thing to have well who decided that was a moral thing to have men in

02:44:36.140 charge and why did they do that because it was beneficial to them and their families and their

02:44:39.560 comrades what is a country it's just a big tribe i would say rights are awarded by virtue of being

02:44:44.600 naturalistic right by who what do you mean well there's all sorts of people who are by collective

02:44:50.220 society and so if collective society decides to take those away why are they actually being immoral

02:44:56.300 well collective society would never decide to take them away except in half the fucking planet

02:45:00.960 which i can point to right now it's because in those countries the men have decided this doesn't

02:45:05.160 benefit us anymore yeah so tell me so tell me if half if if here we democratic if i democratically

02:45:10.460 voted or convinced enough people to democratically vote to get rid of democracy what did i do wrong

02:45:14.960 democratically voted to get rid of democracy what did i do wrong well you can vote for whatever you

02:45:22.360 want right but if i democratically vote to remove democracy and rights from everybody tell me

02:45:27.360 why that's actually wrong other than hang on other than your preference there could never be a

02:45:33.240 situation in which you can vote in a democracy to remove democracy could there yes you could do it

02:45:37.660 right now oh by voting for trump yeah didn't you don't you think he's a tyrant trying to take away

02:45:43.580 your rights well i mean yeah so yeah you could use democracy wait don't don't you like not even

02:45:51.480 believe in like full-on democracy no i don't don't pivot i'm just curious that's that's bad faith

02:45:57.740 so the thing is not distracted let's move hang on let's move back to good faith what do you ground

02:46:03.420 rights in other than your preference just things you prefer what would it actually be grounded in

02:46:08.880 you can't ground it in the law when you say grounded in what do you mean by that well so if you say i'm

02:46:12.800 going to ground my belief in the law that means that's what the justification is is the law but if

02:46:17.500 you make the justification that the law is what's correct then if i change the law then it's still

02:46:22.440 correct are you asking me how should we decide like what i'm asking how you ground it

02:46:26.380 the thing in which you create the justification for it existing in the first place what is the

02:46:32.080 justification for a right other than you prefer that thing that people in society should be treated

02:46:38.160 a certain way and that's not a personal preference that's a collective preference and in this country

02:46:42.380 so it's preference sure okay so then it's preference so your personal preference right now aligns with

02:46:48.180 most people's preference hang on but there's hang on hang on hang on i'll let you i'll let you do an

02:46:53.640 internal critique back i promise if it's the case that your preferences align with other people's

02:47:00.540 preferences and that creates your justification then if my preferences align with other people's

02:47:06.940 preferences we're equally justified right and that's just having different interests within a

02:47:11.560 democracy sure well then if that's the case then if men collectivize and their preferences outweigh

02:47:16.620 women's and they take all your fucking rights away tell me what they're actually doing wrong

02:47:21.560 well that's under democratic why is that wrong other than your preference though it's not right

02:47:27.280 i mean it's not constitutional and the constitution is a collective of preference yeah that we like

02:47:34.580 yeah yeah so then if that's the case if everything just boils down to what you prefer

02:47:39.840 then the second men decide to prefer hang on the second men decide to and prefer to stuff your

02:47:45.580 asses and cages then they're equally justified you keep talking hang on hang on how would they not

02:47:51.300 be equally justified if they're just using the same standard you are preference because when i when you

02:47:57.300 keep you keep attaching personal preference to what i'm saying and thinking but don't you believe

02:48:01.480 there's some kind of like i mean based on like reason like rationality like i don't use the word

02:48:06.740 objective but universally we have like i mean you can look across religions across cultures across cultures

02:48:12.340 there's like universal understandings of maybe people should be treated this way this thing is

02:48:16.760 the right thing this thing is the wrong thing even like in a secular context can i tell you about a

02:48:22.040 little island off the coast i'm talking about patterns called papa new guinea uh let me let me

02:48:30.260 explain about this little island are we working in exceptions in papa new well okay i'm just saying

02:48:35.160 like listen before i'm not going to bring that up even though it's hilarious to do i'm just going to

02:48:39.280 point this out your argument is circular you're saying me and the collective prefer this thing

02:48:45.140 and that's what makes it justified and i say okay that's not even that's not even about preference it's

02:48:49.840 like universal understandings that benefit can universal are universal standards unchanging

02:48:56.360 mostly i'd say they're unchanging they can't they can change but like a lot okay then they're not

02:49:02.480 universal understandings are unchanging means can't change i'd say there are plenty that don't change okay

02:49:08.160 like can't and i'm not asking about do or don't i'm asking about can or can't are universal

02:49:13.960 preferences unchanging that means cannot change i would say the most universal preferences can't

02:49:20.460 change they can't they often don't what okay like for let me give you an example if you have a law

02:49:27.780 that says don't kill people like throughout history that law has been enforced except in somalia

02:49:32.740 is there a law in somalia that says you can't yeah there's anarchy there's no government most

02:49:38.060 countries there's no law what wait you said can't can't can't it's a definitive it means cannot okay

02:49:45.160 i'm talking about a pattern here a trend here yeah i'm talking about a trend here too so somalia is the

02:49:49.460 trend so the trend it's one country no the trend is just preference if you can point to majority of

02:49:53.740 countries and majority of the majority of countries women have no fucking rights

02:49:57.040 do they in most countries yeah yeah was there anything else you want to add to that so the

02:50:02.580 universal preference must be that you don't get any fucking rights in those countries are they

02:50:06.580 democratic no what do they need you think if they suddenly were democratic then that could change

02:50:11.420 that in those countries suddenly women could gain access i don't know iraq is democratic now and i

02:50:16.600 don't know about the whole woman's rights thing there in afghanistan if you gave women if you gave

02:50:20.240 like if you implemented democracy in that who well i mean who if men suddenly gave women oh if men

02:50:30.340 suddenly gave women rights that's crazy and they're only really incentivized when they need their votes

02:50:35.660 that's crazy if men gave women rights the women could do stuff i'm fucking razzle dazzled by this

02:50:43.320 argument no one ever said no one ever said men were physically weaker or had less of a monopoly well i'm

02:50:48.180 just saying you're just saying to me that if men happen to give women the right i've agreed with

02:50:53.120 you this whole time that men are stronger and can physically that's not what we're talking about

02:50:56.760 we're talking about if men gave women the right to vote right now also that's a pivot from what i'm

02:51:02.320 saying it's not you said if men in afghanistan suddenly gave women the right to vote then things

02:51:08.000 would sure change yeah no shit no shit i'm talking about universal understandings and you're drawing

02:51:12.760 this back to force doctrine okay i was saying you i thought we're talking about force doctrine

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02:51:43.640 uh champagne pot appreciate it sorry if you guys want to continue one i just i love a good one for

02:51:47.860 the devil one for the devil dogs i guess uh sorry that your friend passed man anyway yeah back to this

02:51:53.280 um it sounds like everything you say just reinforces force doctrine when i was talking about universal

02:51:58.160 understandings because you were saying like oh in a lot of countries there's like they're like women

02:52:02.760 don't have rights continue continue i was saying that if you suddenly gave everyone the right to

02:52:10.780 vote and a lot of these countries where women don't have rights then maybe women would not be as

02:52:15.620 oppressed wait say that again i want to make sure i got that right we were talking about universal

02:52:20.240 understandings and like morals right and then you mentioned like oh well in a lot of countries like

02:52:25.200 majority of countries women don't have rights and i said well that has a lot to do with the fact that

02:52:29.100 those countries are undemocratic and controlled by men if they suddenly were democratic that would

02:52:34.480 change based on sure the fact that most people and who would have would look out more for women

02:52:39.040 which is universal understanding who would have to make them democratic what what i'm trying to

02:52:43.080 prove right now at this point is that there are and there's a concept of universal understandings

02:52:47.360 and morals there's not otherwise why don't we all have the same ones do you notice how like

02:52:53.300 across religions there's often like certain values that are preached that there's like similarities

02:52:57.920 there sure across cultures there's similarities in what people will believe and like in different

02:53:02.920 countries there's like commonalities of certain laws that will be passed that's what i'm calling

02:53:07.420 universal understandings and morality okay that's great but these aren't these aren't shared concepts

02:53:13.860 though but they're sure i just gave an example of like how they can be shared across so many people

02:53:18.320 and you're like yeah yeah cool but i agree with you but i actually disagree with you yeah no i'm just

02:53:22.220 disagreeing with you so i you just said yeah i i agree with you that it is true that you could make

02:53:27.620 the argument that there's some shared concepts of morality across people groups that's what i'm

02:53:31.680 saying okay but but really quick but it doesn't matter because all people groups don't share morals

02:53:36.700 so and i'm saying based on those commonalities that's what rights those commonalities can change

02:53:42.520 based on the preferences of people groups what is universally accepted a good behavior now was not 300

02:53:48.060 years ago example if that guy pissed me off 300 years ago i could challenge him to a duel i think

02:53:52.400 they're relatively unchanging if i that guy pissed me off 300 years ago i could challenge him to a

02:53:56.360 duel go outside he would take his top hat off and we both pull out guns try to blow each other's

02:54:01.060 fucking brains out now is that a universal moral right now no it's fucking not so the thing is is like

02:54:08.700 look universal preferences change constantly or i could challenge him to a duel yeah constantly what did

02:54:14.380 you say 300 constantly women voting is brand new that never happened before that's not even a thing

02:54:20.400 that ever really happened well when i'm saying no no no what you're saying is absurd not really

02:54:25.360 universal constants for morals change constantly they're not unchanging not only are they not

02:54:30.560 unchanging we can 100 percent expect does that the intuitions of people in the next hundred years

02:54:36.660 are going to drastically change and i don't think that invalidates just a moment

02:54:41.060 uh we need to do a cheers for wisdom uh cheers to corporal maya sorry about your friend and cheers

02:54:50.140 to the good conversations tonight and cheers to the convo salu salu

02:54:54.120 so i guess can we do maybe we can finish yeah no i was just saying at a given point in time forget

02:55:02.520 like 300 years ago because i think just because i'll tell you what i'll just go ahead and grant

02:55:06.720 everything that you're saying does any of that in any way refute forced doctrine i think it draws it

02:55:14.060 draws like i mean this is a little more prescriptive i and i'm aware of that but it draws like where i

02:55:18.860 would like how i would give rights into into something that's also and who would you have to give those

02:55:23.940 rights and enforce them humans in general oh you'd have humans in general do it and what if what do you

02:55:30.600 mean what like what if men didn't like the rights that you were prescribing i'm talking about okay

02:55:35.180 and like a democratic country in a democratic country what happens if men don't like the rights

02:55:39.320 you think if well i mean it's i think we have we live in a system in this country set up today

02:55:45.800 that would that's able to and can the system fail and can men collectively use action in order to take

02:55:51.420 the system back with that pesky thing called the second that's a pretty drawn-out hypothetical i think

02:55:55.580 is it because this whole nation was founded in doing just that so you think today that it's

02:56:00.580 possible that men could just collectivize and just 100 they could and can and always have been able

02:56:06.200 to the government's designed in such a way that that would allow for that so the united states

02:56:11.280 going to last forever i think it's going to last a pretty long time i don't think forever

02:56:16.180 that's an interesting question yeah no the world ends no of course not you think men can can't

02:56:22.520 listen forced doctrine saying this men can collectivize whenever they want to take the rights away from

02:56:28.540 women and i'm sorry that there's a lot of women who are just rationally don't understand that that's

02:56:33.720 the case i hang on hang on let me just finish what it is and then you can then you can attack it but

02:56:38.260 let me at least get it out okay women can't appeal to that same thing they cannot collectively take

02:56:45.040 rights away from men they can't and they've never done it once anywhere in human history have i ever

02:56:50.280 found women collectivizing and using force take rights from men since that's the case they're always

02:56:56.320 appealing to men for those rights i don't know a way around that and every example you give

02:57:01.200 seemingly to me just confirms that that's the case wait what about democracy we have a democracy you

02:57:06.680 have a democracy because men enforce the democracy and the second men don't enforce the democracy

02:57:11.240 into the fucking cages you go so my whole qualm with that idea is purely that it just like okay it

02:57:17.760 draws legitimacy from strength and it doesn't really take into account not it's not making it legitimate

02:57:23.840 regard for don't you understand here's the word okay it's a word concept fallacy right so hang on

02:57:29.960 can i just say one thing yes if your like whole argument or idea with force doctrine is purely

02:57:34.080 men can physically overpower women at any point yeah they can nope that's not the argument the

02:57:39.100 argument is that they can collectively enforce their will and women can't with force that's what

02:57:43.860 it means and so that's synonymous with it with what i said it's not because you missed this part

02:57:49.640 women will always have to appeal to men and men will never have to appeal to women for their rights

02:57:56.200 men can change the conditionals of their own rights with force and women have to appeal to

02:58:00.660 men change rights for them so therefore women will always have to appeal to men for their rights and if

02:58:06.700 men collectively say you ain't got none you don't and if women collectively say men don't we do

02:58:11.820 but you want to know why that kind of thing doesn't happen today is because people it happens all

02:58:15.580 over the world what are you talking like most of the world this is what happens okay for example in

02:58:20.340 this country the reason that doesn't happen today is because in a lot of like more like countries such

02:58:25.440 as this one yeah there's some sort of regard for humanity and morality and i'm more that's also you

02:58:31.520 appealing to men being benevolent and moral did you know that you see where you're making the same

02:58:36.060 argument that i make men must really be benevolent because what you're appealing to right now is that

02:58:40.300 there's such a sense of morality in society that men will never grab all the fucking women

02:58:45.260 off the street and put them in cattle carts and send them to breeding camps even though they could

02:58:49.640 that sure seems awful fucking nice of men but you know why they don't sure seems really fucking

02:58:54.740 benevolent of men i don't think that that's benevolent i think that's like the lowest bar

02:59:00.320 of human decency that they're not keeping well here's you know what's really funny about that

02:59:04.180 argument i a woman said this to me once and i thought about it for a second and i realized something

02:59:09.040 really important right that when you have power over the uh most vulnerable in society in this

02:59:15.060 case children you fucking abort them and so the thing is like i do think that we're pretty

02:59:20.800 benevolent i think that like a million and a half aborted babies a year is pretty fucking malevolent

02:59:26.700 and i think that i would disagree i think that when you have the power over life and death

02:59:30.800 you fucking kill and when we have the power and we do collectively over life and death we liberate

02:59:37.740 and i do think that that's benevolent and i think that that's part of men's nature

02:59:41.500 and i do think that you have to appeal to us for all of your rights and that that what you guys

02:59:47.160 always think is just like fucking fantasy you know i i don't understand it i think humans should have

02:59:51.760 the obligation to like i don't know have like human decency though do i from a christian worldview yes

02:59:57.860 yes i appeal to christ jesus and i do think that there are that god gives commands in which that we're

03:00:06.640 supposed to engage with the world and i think men follow those commands and that's one of the reasons

03:00:11.420 men are so benevolent do you notice do you would you agree that there's a lot of different people

03:00:15.880 with a lot of different worldviews who would also believe in the idea of human decency yeah well i i guess

03:00:22.420 all you'd need to really show me is all this human decency in the rest of the world because

03:00:26.340 outside of christian nations i don't really i mean i hope we hang on outside of christian nations

03:00:31.360 i don't see any of this supposed benevolence in the supposed universalization i see the opposite

03:00:37.040 outside of christian nations what i see is subjugation and torture and madness and insanity

03:00:43.780 and fucking that's what i see i don't know what you see outside of christian but that's what i see

03:00:48.880 so i think we could both agree that human decency should be taken into account well i think that what

03:00:54.940 makes humans decent is christianity and i think that i'm not christian and i know and that's why the

03:01:00.700 the justification that you give for all of your rights is preference which gives me the equal

03:01:05.020 right based on my preference to take your rights away that's what's insane go ahead i'm sorry can

03:01:10.500 i ask if you if 51 of the world right now said we should keep all women as slaves right does that

03:01:17.060 that doesn't make it moral in your mind right no because you don't think it's preference do you

03:01:21.260 base no no no no no i don't think i don't think it's moral because in christian ethics the enslavement

03:01:28.320 of another human being is abhorrent yes in christian ethics the subjugation of women

03:01:33.200 is abhorrent yeah that doesn't mean that there's not a hierarchical and patriarchal structure

03:01:38.320 and that in a marriage a woman is supposed to submit to the head i do believe that fully

03:01:44.560 but that doesn't mean that i believe for a second that men have any any any conceptualization or christian

03:01:52.200 ethics that they can abuse or harm or do horrible things to women that's fucking and that's waving

03:01:58.080 on the pale of christian ethics okay my my the criticism of forced doctrine is showing you guys

03:02:03.280 your view that just under pure preference if it's the case that morals are just all preference

03:02:09.340 that if men decide and they prefer one day that you're just fucking chattel there to breed our kids

03:02:15.700 and there's nothing you can do about it and they all prefer that collectively you may not like that

03:02:19.960 but you don't really have a justification to do anything about it because your entire justification

03:02:25.060 for why they shouldn't is just that you fucking prefer that they don't human decency well that's

03:02:29.220 just a preference i never made the claim that morals are preference i was not a part of where do you

03:02:34.500 then justify your morality um in my opinion it's about the best for a society and i don't think there's

03:02:39.800 any objectivism to that i don't think that we can like objectively say this is what will lead to the

03:02:43.980 best outcome for our society no it's not it's based on education it's based on knowledge it is in part

03:02:49.800 i guess and it's your preference that we should value those things yeah i guess the smallest

03:02:53.040 percentage of not the smallest percentage you literally agreed with me earlier that everything

03:02:56.680 universal understand everything everything that you are saying right now that we should value

03:03:02.280 your only justification for why we should value it is because you prefer it okay so if in a

03:03:08.060 hypothetical world if the bible said that murder was okay would you personally believe that murder is

03:03:12.620 okay no okay well but here's why sure no no keep going yeah here's why so i have a different form of

03:03:21.140 epistemology right well okay let me i'll reframe the the words um but where i draw knowledge okay so

03:03:30.080 i think the truth is written on your heart these are the universals that we're agreeing to i think that

03:03:37.040 the truth of morality is written on people's hearts as the bible says it is okay the problem is is when

03:03:43.360 people say no it's not it's actually grounded in preference and you can't say it's grounded in the

03:03:48.440 heart unless you believe in god and so if that's the case it's like well then if it's just preference

03:03:52.820 then the only thing muslims are doing wrong in their country by outlawing feminism right and doing all

03:03:59.820 the subjugation doing all the shit that you don't like it's just that you don't prefer it if you can give

03:04:04.300 me a reason why other than i just don't prefer that they do that and people agree with me then i

03:04:10.260 actually want to hear it i think it is overall harmful for the society but that's just preference

03:04:14.540 again harm is a subjective metric based on your preference so you don't think that harm can be

03:04:20.000 quantified no how could it be you don't you don't think that you could ever objectively say something

03:04:26.900 is more harm itself is subjective the idea of what is harm is subjective like there is gray area but i do

03:04:33.960 think that there are some pretty clear cases where i could say this is more harmful than this

03:04:37.980 thing no no you wait wait no other than grounding that in your preference you actually can't you can't

03:04:44.940 not necessarily you can't okay in a country where like young girls are forced to like marry men who

03:04:49.460 are far older than them and are like forced to do things and that do you prefer that they don't do

03:04:54.440 that well i'd say there's some sort of objective harm there because they have like no agency wait objective

03:04:59.880 harm i'm going to tell you the difference between objective and subjective objective okay that means

03:05:06.940 universally understood no commonly understood no or regarded as no objective means yes not dependent

03:05:14.280 on a mind subjective means dependent on a mind how about i say universally regarded or deemed or

03:05:20.940 you can say what yeah you can say that your preferences are universally regarded usually usually when a lot of

03:05:27.740 people look collectively okay you can continue actually well no i agree that you can say that

03:05:34.080 you have universally shared preferences with people i agree with that but so what still preference

03:05:38.960 you're just all you're all you guys are doing just consistently asserting the same thing i'll use the

03:05:44.180 word universal instead of objective universal preferences though what else would they be just don't

03:05:49.620 think that these are preferences like i how could they be anything but preferences what do you think

03:05:54.480 that a society's goal is to to what i think from your view no from your view well my view is that i

03:06:02.940 would want to institute a social goal where people are moving towards christ jesus but from your view

03:06:08.240 society has no fucking goal what is the goal other than what you prefer for its citizens to be happy

03:06:14.580 that's a preference preference those are things you prefer those are things that i prefer tell me

03:06:20.920 an independent reason other than you and your preference why those are good things you'd prefer

03:06:26.860 jesus christ is in everyone's life so my preference so my preference is again so it's just what i prefer

03:06:32.140 again so if it's just my preferences versus your preferences well what i'm saying is that you can't

03:06:37.160 claim that like morality should be based off the bible and not our i'm not making the claim that it

03:06:42.260 should well you're saying that yours should be but ours shouldn't be based off of let's just say for a

03:06:46.020 second that i agree me wanting to institute like biblical values is just a preference okay

03:06:52.280 so what what have we established now what do we establish now personally are basing your morals

03:06:58.640 off of the bible right sure those are your preferences okay okay great if you and yours are

03:07:03.520 and you're and yours are what i'm saying yours are in my opinion not my preferences but by your

03:07:09.900 definition not be your preference your definition we're both going off preferences so why are mindless

03:07:14.640 followed than yours even they're not that's the beautiful thing they're not so if it's the case

03:07:19.100 that a bunch of people share the same collective intuition that i do in my preference to fucking

03:07:25.360 enslave all women then tell me why they're wrong what because sing on hang on i want you to listen to

03:07:31.200 what i just said yes if you have got a preference and i got a preference she got a preference and her got

03:07:37.720 a preference is her preference better than yours i think that preferences can be harmful for

03:07:44.440 society that's nice that's nice that's not my repeat my question are her preferences better

03:07:49.780 than mine are they i truly do believe some preferences are better than others yes is that

03:07:54.400 your preference you love this word i don't think it actually means anything like it can be a preference

03:07:59.740 okay sure thanks which you prefer sure honestly let's meet in the middle ground it's a preference

03:08:03.380 why does that make it any less valid preferences are important totally agree some are more valid than

03:08:08.580 others that is awesome so then so then it is the case then that if we all just have preferences no

03:08:14.200 some are more valid than others okay what makes them that other than your preference i do not think

03:08:19.200 the betterment of society is a preference well okay what else is it what what are you mean

03:08:25.600 they're just concepts okay here's what i mean now hang on hang on here's what i mean yes what else

03:08:30.560 could what you want for society being more valuable than what he wants be anything other than a

03:08:35.060 preference that's what i mean okay if he wants the downfall for society and i want society to thrive

03:08:40.620 yeah i personally do think your preference is my personal my i personally think sounds like a

03:08:46.960 preference it's just sounding like from my point of view the jedi or evil sounds a lot like what i

03:08:51.520 prefer what i'm saying to you is that you are more than welcome to call it a preference i honestly

03:08:55.520 don't care but i know that my question is what else is it if it's not a preference i do believe that

03:09:03.280 genuinely the goal of society it's not a preference but like our goal is to it's like the way that

03:09:08.880 human what is a goal or just nature let's use any other animal movement towards things you prefer any

03:09:13.540 other species okay they exist because they procreate because they have the goal to survive because they

03:09:18.840 eat because they hunt we all have that goal instilled in us not because we grew up and decided

03:09:24.320 this is who we are and this is what we prefer it's because it is human nature it's biological nature

03:09:28.620 you want your society to succeed you want to procreate you want to be healthy you want to eat

03:09:33.820 okay so help me out here yes so it's part of human nature that we want to eat yes we want to shit

03:09:41.880 yeah we want to collect the vise we want to do all those things right yes is it also violence part of

03:09:47.220 human nature i think it is more taught than anything i would like obviously to some degree yes

03:09:53.340 but i i do think that violence men collectivize in order to utilize violence to throw all women in

03:09:58.860 little cages to do whatever they want make them their little play things can you tell me outside

03:10:03.840 of why you don't prefer that and a collective of people who agree with you who don't prefer that

03:10:09.560 that's actually wrong or we've agreed that have we agreed at this point that it is biological human

03:10:16.480 nature to want to survive to want the betterment for your society yeah but okay sure okay i think that

03:10:21.680 is bad for society so what that's so you me stating so me stating like let's say i'm hardwired to drink

03:10:29.240 this beer sure right i'm hardwired to because it's fucking delicious okay and my irish heritage

03:10:35.360 demandeth it okay so i must drink the beer and then i don't i just don't i just decide me i don't want

03:10:43.780 to do that okay um did i do something wrong no okay so i can go against my nature and i'm not doing

03:10:50.560 anything are you yes i can go against my nature and i'm not doing anything wrong are you biologically

03:10:55.880 engineered as a species you just said if i was biologically engineered to drink the beer and

03:11:00.700 chose not to i'm not doing anything wrong okay i do not think that the beer in it doesn't it has no

03:11:07.460 positive enforcement on anything it doesn't matter it doesn't hold weight yeah but positive enforcement

03:11:12.000 is just preference again if no we have agreed we've we've no no no you've agreed on your preferences

03:11:17.600 you and i agreed on a middle ground that biologically it is not preference we are instilled

03:11:23.300 with the desire for our societies but if we what if we no longer prefer to do what we biologically

03:11:28.660 desire i think that's negative i think that's a bad thing or because i don't think that preference

03:11:33.880 is yeah okay sure wait so if men biologically desire to subjugate women it's not a bad thing to do

03:11:40.240 no i'm oh my god i'm saying that biologically yeah which that isn't true right do you think that's

03:11:47.140 true do you think that biologically men are their societies and collectives are improved i think you

03:11:52.400 can make an evolutionary argument that men are definitely biologically wired to subjugate women

03:11:57.200 i don't think so i think that like a great example is the fact that the countries that we see thriving

03:12:02.240 the most are the ones with closer to equal rights well you see when you see the word thrive

03:12:05.920 thrive you know what you mean by that yeah bud what do you think you mean by thrive what do you

03:12:10.000 think i mean that people who have your shared preferences are doing good according to your

03:12:16.260 preferences okay i really i really do hate to come back to this point i can't wait till you do we've

03:12:22.320 agreed yeah we've come to the conclusion together as a family that the goal of human nature is to

03:12:29.860 survive no no no no wait wait me saying there's a nature that humanity has and you're saying goal

03:12:35.840 those have to be separated i'm i'm more than i'm more than what if my goal is to change human

03:12:42.740 nature i can understand this okay so i'll change my wording there okay humanity has a biological

03:12:48.660 instinct right to survive to be healthy and i would argue now at the level of i i guess that this can't

03:12:58.060 be explained by like nature and other animals and species because we have more complex brains

03:13:02.300 but and we follow what in them the things we prefer i don't necessarily think that everything

03:13:09.360 comes back to our preferences here's the thing is it your preference to be healthy uh well what if it

03:13:14.400 wasn't uh it wouldn't matter because i think that your preferences come before or come after uh

03:13:21.660 our biological need to survive what i think our biological need to survive comes before if i want to

03:13:27.700 alive myself if i just like want if i'm like in horrible ghastly pain yes you agree with me my

03:13:34.200 instinct is to survive yes should i go against that instinct no i think that your in your biological

03:13:40.660 instincts come first so if i'm if i have like a terminal illness yes and they say look man this is

03:13:45.480 going to eat you from the inside out you're going to be punished for the next three years and just

03:13:48.500 tortured horribly by this illness or we can give you this shot of morphine right my biological instinct

03:13:54.060 is that i want to survive but i go ahead and go against that nature because i don't want to be

03:13:59.480 in pain anymore well it's also a biological instinct to avoid pain yeah you know that you're not going

03:14:04.760 to survive yeah but which one takes precedent except the one you prefer i can't control what decision

03:14:10.540 any person makes i think that in that situation i'd probably kill myself let's try this this way

03:14:14.220 sure okay when people collect do you believe that there's some objective standard for morality

03:14:20.140 i'm gonna say yes okay i'm gonna regret saying yes that means that you believe that morality

03:14:29.300 is not based on people's minds but it exists absent people's minds that's what objective means

03:14:35.640 subjective would mean that um it's based only on people's minds do you think morality is based on

03:14:43.640 people's minds and their brains and what they think or do you think that it exists somewhere outside

03:14:48.200 of that okay we've now reached the point where you're defining subjective as anything that isn't

03:14:54.060 a natural fact are we on the same page as that i'm genuinely asking no i'm defining objective as

03:14:59.700 requiring objective not requiring mind subjective right requires mind can i have an example of

03:15:06.400 something that's objective and also not a natural fact a tree that is a natural fact yeah but that's

03:15:11.040 not what i said think about what i'm saying to you i'm thinking does a tree existing require any

03:15:16.480 minds no then a tree objectively exists it is a natural fact that it exists hang on so that's

03:15:23.040 subjective it objectively exists yeah do morals exist like the tree exists no then they're subjective

03:15:29.020 no well okay then they're subjective do you understand that yeah do you understand are they

03:15:35.700 subjective then hang on hang on are they subjective then i don't think so i don't think that proves

03:15:40.520 anything then can you tell me how they exist like the tree exists i don't think it has to exist

03:15:44.540 like a tree that's a weird example only if you want subjective don't say objective then my claim

03:15:49.460 is that there is a middle ground between objective and or between natural fact and subjective you

03:15:55.040 cannot give me a single thing that isn't a natural fact or subjective is that true how do you know

03:15:59.520 something's a natural fact based in science and how do you interpret science is it with your mind

03:16:05.140 sure okay so then this thing that you've interpreted subjectively you can determine

03:16:09.880 is objectively real even if you don't exist right yes okay well then what the fuck are you talking

03:16:15.840 about i just okay i don't agree with your definition of objective and subjective may i what the fuck

03:16:22.000 what do you think you're just describing you are using objective synonymous with the words natural

03:16:26.380 fact natural law something based in science not natural law and not natural fact when you're first

03:16:31.380 of all when i say objective i mean it exists in material reality without your mind okay okay so

03:16:38.880 a social construction does that require your mind hang on does a social construction require

03:16:43.100 your mind is the government a social construction yes okay is the school of social construction yes

03:16:47.580 is a tree of social construction no then that's the end of the fucking debate okay so then i used the

03:16:52.680 terms right didn't i well i don't know then i used the terms right didn't i didn't i we disagree

03:16:58.340 on the definitions how can we disagree on a definition she just agreed by your definition by your

03:17:03.160 definition i am more than happy to agree that it's like punishment even talking about go ahead

03:17:08.720 Whatever we were talking about was subjective.

03:17:11.180 Maybe can I help here?

03:17:12.200 So, Andrew, as it relates to preferences, preferences, preferences, preferences, what, in your view, is the step beyond?

03:17:21.240 Is it justification outside of preference, which means there's an objective standard that you appeal to that's not you, right?

03:17:27.740 And that's the grounding foundation for which you're appealing to.

03:17:30.560 So, like earlier, she said the law, right?

03:17:32.860 That's a subjective standard, but she's appealing to something.

03:17:35.360 I just think that anything that you appeal to for rights is just going to be things you prefer.

03:17:42.900 And I think that collectively it's going to be things other people prefer and that those preferences can change.

03:17:48.640 Since those preferences can change, if it's the case that I have a preference to do bad thing, you have a preference to do good thing, why am I wrong and you're right?

03:17:56.820 We've been over this.

03:17:57.920 You've asked me this exact question worded differently.

03:18:00.880 But I just want to let you know that you never answered it.

03:18:03.880 I did.

03:18:04.420 We have been over my entire take that I think that we are biologically instilled for the betterment of society.

03:18:10.780 That's what we're striving for.

03:18:12.520 It is, you know, just how species work.

03:18:15.120 What if we don't want to go – what if we have shared preferences against things that we have biology for?

03:18:20.980 Like, for instance, birth control.

03:18:22.220 I think that's bad.

03:18:22.640 Birth control is bad?

03:18:23.920 No.

03:18:24.400 What?

03:18:24.840 Yeah.

03:18:25.160 So, I mean, you have – biologically, you're wired to drop eggs.

03:18:28.400 Should we stop that?

03:18:29.260 Do you think that we –

03:18:29.760 Should we stop that?

03:18:31.340 Do you think that we currently –

03:18:32.120 Is that because you have a preference that we don't stop that?

03:18:34.420 Would you like for me to respond or do you just want to keep going?

03:18:36.760 You're just going to ramble, but go ahead.

03:18:38.520 I do want to actually hear it.

03:18:39.720 I do want to actually hear it.

03:18:40.440 Okay.

03:18:40.460 What I would like to say is I don't think that we as a society are currently in a position where we have to procreate for our survival.

03:18:45.960 I think if we were, then birth control probably would be bad because it would mean, like, the extinction of our society or whatever.

03:18:51.720 Oh, my God.

03:18:52.820 I love you.

03:18:54.820 The birth rate – can you tell me if we're reproducing at a rate to sustain society?

03:19:01.620 I mean, that's just not something I know.

03:19:03.700 I would guess so.

03:19:04.260 Oh, what would you like for me to tell you?

03:19:05.640 I would love it.

03:19:06.420 We are way under replacement rate, and humans are not replacing.

03:19:10.340 So by your logic, we should get rid of birth control until we get at least – yes.

03:19:15.800 South Korea will be extinct.

03:19:17.920 Their birth rate is so fucking low.

03:19:19.880 Are we talking about South Korea?

03:19:21.040 Hang on.

03:19:21.760 The United States is dropping rapidly too.

03:19:24.500 And so the thing is, is, like, yes, actually, we could lead to a massive reduction in human beings.

03:19:30.600 So if that's the case, if you say, we have trouble reproducing, no, that's why we don't need birth control.

03:19:36.380 Then that would mean we should get rid of birth control, right?

03:19:38.740 Wait, aren't there countries that are very much reproducing a lot?

03:19:42.160 Not very many.

03:19:42.960 Like China, India.

03:19:44.140 No.

03:19:44.640 China's –

03:19:45.280 They're going down?

03:19:45.860 They're not the ones with the values that you guys are debating.

03:19:47.960 Isn't China trying to go down?

03:19:50.620 Well, China killed, like, half its children.

03:19:52.840 Yeah, I just – I mean, I do –

03:19:54.700 With the one-child policy.

03:19:55.580 Well, I killed a lot more.

03:19:56.660 To your dystopian effect, I could see this actually becoming a thing where men take away women's rights who are deciding to do the fuck men trend.

03:20:02.700 And that will lead to less babies being born if they're like, men and men, men suck, fuck them, be lesbian, be whatever.

03:20:08.520 So then if that's biologically what your imperative is, then we should go against that, right?

03:20:13.600 Well, no, because I'm not agreeing with her, but I'm saying by your logic, you have to.

03:20:18.100 So maybe I can simplify this like the simplest way possible.

03:20:22.840 Like you're talking to four-year-olds, please.

03:20:25.220 Does morality come from anything but you?

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03:20:43.480 No, because morality is subjective.

03:20:55.580 Therefore, it only exists within the mind.

03:20:58.820 Then what else could it be?

03:21:01.180 What else could, if it's subjective, what else could be moral?

03:21:05.480 Except things that you prefer and other people share a preference for.

03:21:09.640 I just, this is going back in circles.

03:21:14.780 Do you realize what I'm going to answer this with and how we're going to go back to the same conversation?

03:21:17.820 That humans are engineered.

03:21:19.340 We have had this conversation 20 times now.

03:21:20.960 But even if they're engineered and we can go against our engineering with preference, that would still be moral under this subjective worldview.

03:21:27.500 So like, I don't get it.

03:21:29.460 I actually don't get it at this point.

03:21:31.100 It just seems like, it seems like, remember how we were talking about good faith?

03:21:34.540 Yes.

03:21:34.700 Like, you should really abandon this position because it's completely fucking incoherent.

03:21:39.760 Ultimately, you're just talking about preferences.

03:21:41.980 Things you prefer.

03:21:43.580 A preference is not something that is biologically engineered into you.

03:21:47.500 Should we do everything that's biologically engineered in us?

03:21:49.780 No, but my point is you can't.

03:21:50.820 Well, then what are you talking about?

03:21:52.360 Who cares then?

03:21:53.420 You're saying that you should follow preferences to not do things that we're biologically engineered to do?

03:21:59.120 I think we're more complex than saying we're animals who need to follow our baseline instincts.

03:22:02.880 We don't have to follow baseline instincts, but if morality only comes from you, what else could it be besides shit that you just like and prefer?

03:22:12.040 What else could it even be?

03:22:13.880 Things that are biologically instilled in us.

03:22:18.560 That we can go against and that's fine.

03:22:20.760 Yeah.

03:22:21.080 The only biological thing is really what's good for you and your family.

03:22:24.960 Those are things you prefer.

03:22:26.200 Society because we have gotten to the point where we no longer have tribes.

03:22:29.740 We have big-ass countries.

03:22:30.920 So now we call it society because it's huge.

03:22:33.120 But it's still what is good for me if you're in power and you decide that.

03:22:37.340 That's the only thing that matters.

03:22:38.740 What is good for that particular person who holds the power?

03:22:42.020 I disagree with that.

03:22:43.040 That is not my view at all.

03:22:44.160 By matter, it means that's what's going to happen.

03:22:46.080 Not matter what should.

03:22:47.000 What's the ideal?

03:22:47.760 What's the utopia?

03:22:48.640 It's what's reality.

03:22:49.700 Yeah.

03:22:49.980 I'm not arguing in idealistic terms.

03:22:51.920 Okay.

03:22:52.120 The arguments against Andrew's position are like how the world should be, which is subjective, right?

03:22:58.000 He's talking about reality, what is.

03:23:00.220 What is.

03:23:00.620 Which is objective.

03:23:02.180 It's kind of the-

03:23:02.820 So the idea here is like, it's pretty simple.

03:23:08.160 All of your morality, if you say it's subjectively based, the only real coherent answer you can have

03:23:14.720 is that like things you prefer and things that she prefers and she prefers collectively are moral because you all prefer them.

03:23:22.660 The problem, and here's why that has to be the case.

03:23:26.380 It has to be the case because otherwise you have to give me a standard that's unchanging, that's objective, that you can appeal to,

03:23:34.300 that would say that whatever you prefer to do is wrong and you can't.

03:23:40.120 So it has to be things that you just fucking like.

03:23:42.880 I mean, what else, I don't know what else your morals could be.

03:23:46.100 You know exactly what I will answer this way.

03:23:47.940 Yeah, but you saying that you're engineered to do things that if you prefer to go against is still moral, is still preference again.

03:23:53.880 It's always just a reduction to preference.

03:23:56.040 I have to move on, but I'll give you guys each another 30 seconds.

03:24:00.500 My final thought is just if I don't prefer the betterment of society and I personally prefer for 30 people to die, I think that's negative.

03:24:07.960 I don't understand why you're disagreeing with that.

03:24:10.060 This is fantastic.

03:24:10.920 I think that if X happens, that that's negative because I think so.

03:24:16.660 I see.

03:24:17.520 You don't prefer any of that.

03:24:18.860 Got it.

03:24:20.400 Final thoughts?

03:24:21.300 Yeah.

03:24:21.620 Good talk.

03:24:22.080 I have like a new question.

03:24:23.740 It's a little different.

03:24:24.460 It's a little different.

03:24:27.340 It's different than that.

03:24:28.300 I prefer to go have a cigarette.

03:24:29.660 You can't reject it.

03:24:30.140 I was just curious.

03:24:30.600 What is it?

03:24:32.240 I'll think about it.

03:24:33.200 Oh, it was just basically like he explained force doctrine.

03:24:36.160 I was curious about like the prescriptive side of that because like men have a monopoly on force.

03:24:40.160 Should they be awarded more privileges?

03:24:41.480 Besides, you should all be fucking grateful men don't do it.

03:24:44.800 That's the prescriptive side.

03:24:46.680 Okay.

03:24:47.140 That's the prescriptive side.

03:24:48.400 I was grateful that men don't do that shit.

03:24:51.580 All right.

03:24:52.000 Please.

03:24:52.540 Zeus, thank you for the super chat.

03:24:53.880 Please have everyone say woman.

03:24:55.640 And the plural form of that word to the Chicago girl, you're arguing it for a distinction without a difference.

03:25:03.120 It's all prostitution, just different variations of the same thing.

03:25:10.740 I guess.

03:25:11.700 Okay.

03:25:12.180 Okay.

03:25:12.800 No, sorry.

03:25:13.300 I feel like I was pretty clear on like why I have differences on variations and the distinctions of what those variations were.

03:25:20.320 But again, like I have the respect, like he has the right to have his opinion.

03:25:23.660 I have a different umbrella term for it.

03:25:25.820 He has a different umbrella term for it.

03:25:27.340 But I did have distinction on the levels of what is different.

03:25:31.760 So between each.

03:25:33.260 Sure.

03:25:33.740 Zeus here.

03:25:34.420 He is asking Tav.

03:25:35.940 Apparently some people will say women instead of woman.

03:25:39.440 So he just wants to do a little test.

03:25:41.480 Okay.

03:25:41.800 Can you just say woman?

03:25:42.860 Singular word, woman, plural, women.

03:25:45.220 You just said the same.

03:25:47.640 That was the exact same word you just said.

03:25:49.740 Okay.

03:25:49.980 Do it again.

03:25:50.460 Do it again.

03:25:50.740 I would spell them differently.

03:25:51.520 Wait, no, no, no.

03:25:52.000 But do it again.

03:25:52.420 Say it again.

03:25:52.840 I am a woman.

03:25:54.240 These are women.

03:25:55.300 Is that the same?

03:25:56.340 Okay, now you changed it up a little bit.

03:25:57.180 It sounds.

03:25:58.020 All right.

03:25:58.380 We can go around the table if you guys want.

03:26:01.140 Woman.

03:26:01.860 Women.

03:26:02.700 Oh, that was very good.

03:26:03.680 Good diction.

03:26:04.540 Woman.

03:26:05.040 Women.

03:26:05.760 Woman.

03:26:06.440 Women.

03:26:07.540 Woman.

03:26:08.260 Women.

03:26:09.420 Woman.

03:26:10.300 Women.

03:26:11.300 Woman.

03:26:12.020 Women.

03:26:13.140 Woman.

03:26:13.820 Women.

03:26:14.720 All right.

03:26:16.060 This should be a permanent segment.

03:26:17.540 Zeus, thank you for that.

03:26:18.780 I appreciate it.

03:26:20.320 We're going to get into switch topics here.

03:26:22.360 I'm going to try to bring it back a little bit to dating here.

03:26:25.040 Courtney, you said that women should call the man they date master.

03:26:30.960 Your words, not mine.

03:26:34.080 That's you, Courtney, over there.

03:26:36.980 Kate seemed like she had a reaction.

03:26:39.280 I mean, if they want, right?

03:26:40.580 If they're into that, I guess.

03:26:41.780 So, Courtney, explain the master thing.

03:26:46.320 I think it's important for women to recognize in a relationship who's leading the relationship.

03:26:58.460 And also, above that, it's not just about leading.

03:27:03.100 It's more about peacekeeping.

03:27:04.940 It's kind of choosing, surrendering as a superpower.

03:27:10.300 So, I see it as a way, because I consider myself a non-traditional woman.

03:27:18.440 So, it's not just about, it's not like I need to be specifically in a mold of to who I am as a woman.

03:27:29.420 I believe for me to be fulfilled, I must pursue my passions, my happiness, my liberties.

03:27:42.300 Yet, also have the discernment to yield and let, and this is, and I believe a lot of women would be a lot happier in their relationships and be more feminine when they can refer to their significant partner as master.

03:28:08.680 And even if, yes, and if master, I think.

03:28:12.600 Yes!

03:28:15.680 I call him master sometimes.

03:28:17.500 Just sometimes.

03:28:18.380 It's actually a very honor, it's like a formal honorific that they used in the, in the.

03:28:24.480 How do you say it?

03:28:25.580 16th, 16th to the 18th century with.

03:28:28.120 16th, wait, the 16th to 18th century?

03:28:30.740 I'm talking about the 16th to 18th century.

03:28:31.740 Are you talking about something else?

03:28:33.080 When you call, when, for little master, when you're saying.

03:28:37.100 Master.

03:28:37.500 Master, it's like a little, little master, young master, like young master, like person, like you would usually follow it with their names.

03:28:46.060 It was very often as a, used as a formal honorific.

03:28:49.680 And I just see it as being resuscitated in relationships.

03:28:53.940 Question, are you, what's your orientation?

03:28:55.520 Are you straight?

03:28:56.220 Are you bi?

03:28:57.560 I'm, I'm heterosexual.

03:28:59.280 Heterosexual.

03:28:59.600 So, um, if, uh, if, how, if Felicity was a man, I guess, how would you say master to her?

03:29:10.800 If she was your boyfriend or whatever?

03:29:13.040 Um, it's like, hi, master.

03:29:16.400 That sounds like a weird sex thing.

03:29:18.440 Oh, she has to stop.

03:29:22.220 Okay.

03:29:23.200 Um, so I guess going around the table, opening up to the panel.

03:29:26.800 Uh.

03:29:27.080 How would you all say master?

03:29:28.680 Yeah.

03:29:28.860 Yeah.

03:29:29.200 Just go in a circle.

03:29:30.000 So, uh, she, she says.

03:29:32.640 It would definitely be a sex thing.

03:29:33.860 So, Courtney says, women should call the man they date master.

03:29:41.160 Uh, would, would you call your boyfriend master if he wanted that?

03:29:47.260 Hell no.

03:29:48.000 Hell no.

03:29:48.720 Kate?

03:29:49.400 I actually don't have that big of a problem with it because he'll ask for something.

03:29:53.040 It's like, can you give me a water?

03:29:53.960 I'm like, yes, master.

03:29:54.940 And I just hand it to him.

03:29:56.060 It's sarcastic though.

03:29:56.520 It's not always sarcastic.

03:29:58.400 Sometimes it's just playful.

03:29:59.580 Do you want Kate to call you master?

03:30:03.860 No opinion.

03:30:04.520 Once in a while it'd be nice, I guess.

03:30:06.080 Every night.

03:30:06.720 Okay.

03:30:07.260 Every fortnight.

03:30:08.060 It already happens.

03:30:09.140 Lola, would you call your boyfriend, your new boyfriend, I guess, a master?

03:30:13.220 I would not.

03:30:14.580 And he wouldn't want me to.

03:30:16.160 Okay.

03:30:16.600 What about you?

03:30:17.120 Would you?

03:30:17.740 Absolutely.

03:30:18.260 And I have.

03:30:18.980 Oh, there you go.

03:30:20.560 But not, what if it's not even like, don't get it twisted.

03:30:23.420 Maybe it's not even a, it's not a sexual thing, right?

03:30:25.460 This is like just a.

03:30:26.760 This is a formal honorific.

03:30:28.200 I think you can see it's sexual.

03:30:29.980 You can see it not.

03:30:30.680 But I think of it as one of the highest degrees of respect you can pay.

03:30:36.540 What I was going to say is I would, the only, my next boyfriend, someone that I date, is

03:30:42.860 going to be someone that I respect enough that they are the dominant in the relationship,

03:30:48.340 in which case, yes.

03:30:49.940 But I wouldn't, I wouldn't be with someone that I don't view with that kind of respect.

03:30:54.360 So, I agree.

03:30:55.820 But you don't, but they don't own you, right?

03:30:57.300 Like.

03:30:57.800 No, he doesn't own me.

03:30:58.900 Master almost denotes that you're some sort of property.

03:31:00.700 It's respect.

03:31:01.560 Yeah.

03:31:01.960 Not ownership.

03:31:03.340 I don't really understand that line either.

03:31:06.200 The line of ownership.

03:31:07.580 Well, like if someone's your master, it's like they're, like you have to listen to everything

03:31:11.060 they say.

03:31:11.740 Like you're almost their property.

03:31:13.260 No, I don't know.

03:31:14.800 Chosen master.

03:31:15.880 Yeah.

03:31:16.360 The, the, the idea here is like, um, it's the same problem I have where people will say

03:31:22.120 like with the, the R wording, the wife thing, right?

03:31:25.800 So this is, uh, this isn't, well, so the, the idea is like, if your wife wakes you up

03:31:31.440 with sex or you wake your wife up with sex, is it R right?

03:31:34.900 Is it, is that what it is?

03:31:36.860 And like the, kind of the feminist trope is like, yeah, yes it is.

03:31:41.680 And it's like, that's really fucking stupid.

03:31:44.000 And the reason it's really stupid is because it's like, if your wife goes and spends your

03:31:47.340 money and you didn't consent, is she stealing from you?

03:31:50.360 And it's like, no, she's not.

03:31:53.880 You know, there's the, the idea I've always thought the idea in marriage of one flesh,

03:31:58.480 that's what it actually means.

03:32:00.360 Right.

03:32:00.800 And so like you being obedient to your husband, isn't that like being obedient to you?

03:32:05.760 Isn't that what the idea is there?

03:32:08.020 No, I think there's like a concept of personal individual agency that you can exercise in a

03:32:12.120 relationship.

03:32:12.460 Like you can be your own person in a relationship.

03:32:14.140 You're not getting rid of the agency.

03:32:15.580 If you're one flesh, if you're a union, right, you're sharing everything.

03:32:19.280 You're sharing, you're sharing body, you're sharing mind, you're sharing money, you're

03:32:22.760 sharing everything.

03:32:23.820 That's what the whole point of marriage is.

03:32:25.800 And if that's not the point, then what the fuck is the point?

03:32:28.900 Wait, in that case, doesn't the man also have to take into account and listen to the

03:32:32.740 woman a lot?

03:32:33.240 Well, take into account, yes.

03:32:37.840 But the thing is, is like, why is he more?

03:32:40.220 Yeah, because, because when there was a hostage situation, he shot a fuck.

03:32:45.060 That's why.

03:32:45.540 And the thing is, is like, let's just, like, let's just, let's just lay it out.

03:32:52.000 Right.

03:32:52.280 Because when the thump in the night went, he fucking answered with the gun.

03:32:57.000 And the thing is, is because of that, the protection of your rights, even inside of

03:33:02.460 your home, actually are deferred to the man.

03:33:05.720 And so, yeah, you should probably listen to him.

03:33:07.940 Call him master.

03:33:08.580 And it's probably a good idea.

03:33:09.840 Well, I don't know about master, because that has some loading behind it.

03:33:13.040 But, like, you call a judge your honor, you know?

03:33:16.560 And, like, what did he fucking do to deserve your honor that your husband didn't do to

03:33:20.660 deserve your honor?

03:33:21.800 Right.

03:33:22.300 It sure sounds like saying your honor, you know?

03:33:24.420 But at the end of the day, if you really don't want to listen to anything the person

03:33:27.980 says, don't be with him.

03:33:29.800 Yeah.

03:33:30.200 Like, if you, why do you call a judge your honor?

03:33:32.820 It's like, because it's a very common respect.

03:33:35.900 Because it's an honorific that you're supposed to respect my station.

03:33:40.180 But if you call a judge your honor, but you can't call your husband your honor?

03:33:43.880 You can.

03:33:44.260 People can do whatever they want.

03:33:45.040 I know.

03:33:45.640 But if you refuse, if you refuse, right, you're giving the judge more respect than your

03:33:49.840 own husband.

03:33:51.420 And it's like, that to me just sounds counterintuitive.

03:33:53.940 So if you call a judge your honor and you don't call your husband your master, your...

03:33:57.960 Did I say master?

03:33:59.460 Well, that's what we were talking about.

03:34:00.060 I said your honor.

03:34:01.160 Well, you may not, like, by default call him that.

03:34:04.060 But what if he, like, asked if you could?

03:34:05.540 Would you oblige if you respected him?

03:34:07.060 Or would you be like, no, fuck you.

03:34:08.720 How dare you?

03:34:09.240 Or like, how about this?

03:34:10.060 It's like, in the Bible, the view is Lord, right?

03:34:14.740 Like, Sarah called Abraham Lord.

03:34:17.460 And so the question is, like, if you say your honor to a judge, your honor, you're giving

03:34:22.820 him this really high honorific.

03:34:24.540 You're saying, your station is above mine.

03:34:27.100 That's why they sit at those high benches.

03:34:29.280 And that's why they have a gavel.

03:34:30.500 They're going to fucking judge your ass.

03:34:32.480 I think that's, like, more of a traditional, just like, in the context of, like, the legal

03:34:35.600 system.

03:34:35.860 Yeah, but why is that tradition there?

03:34:37.640 It's to show the distinction in station.

03:34:40.200 Your station is down fucking there.

03:34:42.200 I get to judge this.

03:34:43.440 I get to rule on this.

03:34:44.680 And you're going to do what you're fucking told.

03:34:46.860 And so the thing is, it's like, you're going to, you, you'll cast your fate to them and

03:34:51.260 say that, that it's okay that they affect society with their judgment, but not your own

03:34:56.100 fucking husband.

03:34:56.700 And that, to me, has always been crazy.

03:34:58.460 That's just crazy.

03:34:59.520 I mean, what I would say is, like, just because I wouldn't be comfortable calling the guy I'm

03:35:02.940 with master, it doesn't mean I wouldn't show him respect in other ways.

03:35:05.440 I would say, master, you keep, I literally said to you, you don't have to use a loaded

03:35:10.840 historic term.

03:35:12.080 Okay.

03:35:12.520 You don't have to be like, look, you know, because master and first slave, I get that.

03:35:17.980 You can even abandon that.

03:35:19.660 That's what I believe in.

03:35:20.400 But, like, your honor, lord, you know, things like that.

03:35:24.380 The bow?

03:35:24.960 Yeah, something like this.

03:35:26.300 Yeah.

03:35:26.640 Any of these things that don't have the same, that you would call complete fucking strangers.

03:35:31.620 You'd call complete fucking strangers that, but not your husband.

03:35:34.420 That makes me think, like, that you don't really respect the person much, or that you

03:35:38.960 don't, yeah.

03:35:39.680 I think you can respect someone just because you don't, like, it's not really common to

03:35:42.560 necessarily use that kind of title in a relationship.

03:35:45.580 Yeah, but that just brings it back to the original question, right?

03:35:49.120 Like, why do you say it to a judge?

03:35:52.280 Why do you say your honor?

03:35:53.520 Because it's, like, the common, like, term that's just used in that legal context.

03:35:57.380 It's because he's in judgment, and you're deferring your fate to him.

03:36:02.560 And so I would think that, like, if it's the case that you, you know, you stand in judgment

03:36:07.720 of your own husband, right, and you defer your fate to them, they're the one who has

03:36:11.760 to go to the bump in the night.

03:36:13.000 They're the one who has to give you the fucking seat on the lifeboat.

03:36:15.520 They're the one who has to fucking sacrifice for you.

03:36:18.780 Then, like, an honorific doesn't seem that bad to me.

03:36:21.560 That seems really reasonable.

03:36:22.800 If you two are at an impact, and someone, and one of you needs to make a decision as

03:36:27.780 to the tiebreaker, who gets to make that decision?

03:36:30.720 Ooh, sounds like you've been watching me too much.

03:36:32.940 What tiebreaker?

03:36:33.620 Wait, what are you talking about?

03:36:34.240 I didn't fully hear your question.

03:36:35.460 In an argument or a disagreement, he wants one thing, she wants one thing.

03:36:42.040 You've talked it through.

03:36:43.660 They still want their respective things.

03:36:45.940 Who's the tiebreaker?

03:36:47.700 The man or the woman?

03:36:48.640 They're equally valid in their...

03:36:53.620 How do you...

03:36:55.020 So who do you defer to?

03:36:57.200 How do we...

03:36:58.020 There's only two.

03:36:58.980 You just have conflict-resolving abilities then.

03:37:02.260 Or if you really can't resolve your conflict, then it's that bad.

03:37:05.040 Yeah, how do you resolve the conflict if neither one of you...

03:37:07.560 If neither one of you, you're at an impasse.

03:37:09.340 It's an impasse.

03:37:10.740 You can't negotiate an impasse or it wouldn't be an impasse.

03:37:12.880 Like, there's no compromise here.

03:37:15.840 You feel very strongly on one end, and he feels very strongly on the other end, right?

03:37:21.540 Who gets deferred to here?

03:37:23.620 Well, no one.

03:37:24.080 There's no other third party here.

03:37:25.040 Sounds like they just break up.

03:37:27.140 Usually I defer to him because he's more stubborn than I am, but then later, if it's something

03:37:31.800 that I really care about, we'll come to a compromise after he feels bad for being so stubborn.

03:37:35.500 If it's a conflict that's not that deep, you can just forget about it and move on.

03:37:38.540 Some things have to happen fast.

03:37:39.480 Do you see how you consistently change the framing so as to not answer the question that

03:37:44.680 I'm asking?

03:37:45.460 I did answer.

03:37:46.060 I said, you can just forget about the conflict and say, we can agree to disagree.

03:37:48.760 You can agree to disagree.

03:37:49.340 I'm going to ask you again, and this time I'm going to give you context for every word

03:37:52.500 I'm saying.

03:37:53.640 Impasse cannot find a way around.

03:37:56.480 Can you give me an example?

03:37:57.700 Impasse cannot find a way around.

03:37:59.880 You can usually find a way around.

03:38:01.560 Impasse means you cannot find a way around.

03:38:04.240 You're for a job.

03:38:04.920 Let me ask you this.

03:38:06.440 Can I ask you one question?

03:38:07.640 How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?

03:38:10.180 If I didn't eat breakfast this morning?

03:38:12.220 I feel fine.

03:38:12.740 I didn't eat breakfast this morning.

03:38:14.520 What do you mean?

03:38:16.280 I don't know what that has to do with everything.

03:38:17.540 Let's go with my example.

03:38:18.640 Let's say you're on an impasse, and your boyfriend and you...

03:38:22.180 You good?

03:38:22.980 Sorry.

03:38:23.980 I think he's taking a little moment.

03:38:26.780 I'm collecting myself.

03:38:28.680 It's a face palm, but Mike Palmer.

03:38:30.560 Yeah, no, I get that.

03:38:31.860 So what if your boyfriend has a job to go to Antarctica for his new job?

03:38:37.000 It's paying about above the same, but maybe a little bit better than what he's doing now.

03:38:40.800 And I want to stay here.

03:38:41.840 And you want to stay here.

03:38:43.220 Oh, then we could break up.

03:38:44.600 Honestly, Antarctica is kind of big.

03:38:45.440 Yeah, it's just a break up.

03:38:46.360 Then we would break up.

03:38:47.220 It's very obvious.

03:38:48.480 I'm not going to...

03:38:49.040 She doesn't want...

03:38:49.420 Like, Andrew, would you...

03:38:50.320 She doesn't want...

03:38:51.560 Would you understand, like, if a girl doesn't want to move to Antarctica?

03:38:55.380 I mean...

03:38:55.880 I'm going to be totally honest.

03:38:57.660 You break up, then.

03:38:58.460 I believe 100%.

03:39:00.000 If there's an impasse, you break up.

03:39:01.000 That if I came home tonight, if I just caught a red-eye, I walked into my house, I told my

03:39:05.920 wife, we're moving to Antarctica, and I don't want you to ask any questions, I think that

03:39:10.900 she would do it.

03:39:11.940 That's great.

03:39:12.540 What about you guys?

03:39:14.100 Would you move to Antarctica for Kate?

03:39:15.960 He wants a beach house.

03:39:17.000 I don't think that would be...

03:39:18.060 For you, I would.

03:39:18.960 I don't know, because you have a lot of things that you like that are, like, not in Antarctica.

03:39:22.440 That's a tough one, right?

03:39:23.520 But, like...

03:39:24.360 If the circumstances made sense or whatever.

03:39:26.140 There'd be a compromise, but I think she'd be there, like, six months.

03:39:29.320 And then, Kate, would you move to Antarctica for your husband?

03:39:33.380 If it really depended on it, like, say I wasn't an influencer, and it was just him making

03:39:38.560 the money, then yeah.

03:39:39.760 What if he came home...

03:39:41.900 Now, mind you, this is a man who literally shot another man to make sure that you didn't,

03:39:46.860 you know, expire.

03:39:48.500 He came home one day.

03:39:50.100 He didn't say shit.

03:39:50.960 He was just like, listen, I need you to not ask any questions about this.

03:39:55.480 I need you to just trust me.

03:39:56.960 We're getting in the car.

03:39:58.160 We're going to fucking Antarctica tonight.

03:40:00.620 Don't say a fucking word.

03:40:01.860 Just go.

03:40:02.500 Would you do it?

03:40:03.300 Oh, hell yeah.

03:40:03.860 See?

03:40:04.540 That sounds fun.

03:40:05.160 That's great.

03:40:05.700 That's the...

03:40:06.140 I just personally wouldn't.

03:40:07.180 But that's the...

03:40:07.900 What's wrong with that?

03:40:08.420 But that's the...

03:40:08.980 Well, there's nothing.

03:40:10.080 What I'm saying is, like, that's the deference of an honorific.

03:40:12.880 That's the honorific.

03:40:13.980 It's not just your honor.

03:40:15.820 It's that.

03:40:16.400 That's the honorific.

03:40:17.980 The fact that she would do it.

03:40:19.920 And it's like...

03:40:20.740 It's great for her.

03:40:21.440 The fact that if I just say the word impasse to you, you just pretend like you can't have

03:40:25.280 one.

03:40:25.600 You're just like, no, no, no matter what, you can negotiate your way out of everything.

03:40:28.540 It's like, no, you fucking can't.

03:40:29.840 I already made it clear.

03:40:30.440 If there was an impasse of that sort, I'd break up.

03:40:32.980 She's a strong, independent woman who don't need no man.

03:40:35.620 That's the kind of woman that would be thrown in cages in his dystopian.

03:40:37.280 When did I say that?

03:40:38.060 That's right.

03:40:38.720 In the dystopian future.

03:40:39.020 I want to get married.

03:40:39.880 What do you mean?

03:40:40.360 The cages.

03:40:41.120 Do you know me?

03:40:41.860 Wait, you had a...

03:40:42.840 Sorry, your question for Courtney.

03:40:44.100 What is it?

03:40:44.680 No, no, no.

03:40:45.060 She was just saying, I'm a strong, independent who doesn't need a man.

03:40:47.260 I want to get married one day.

03:40:48.300 And she doesn't know me.

03:40:48.980 And she's like trying to attach these labels.

03:40:51.380 Do you want to respond?

03:40:52.240 Yeah, I do.

03:40:52.880 It's about compromise.

03:40:54.340 That's my point.

03:40:55.260 I was only using that as a facetious way of saying that, a hyperbolic way of saying

03:40:59.920 that when women don't understand the way of, of like the art of just surrendering,

03:41:06.900 which I think is a superpower, it's...

03:41:09.400 Surrendering is not compromise.

03:41:11.120 Surrendering is just one part of the contention and yielding that over to the opposite.

03:41:26.740 That's surrendering.

03:41:28.000 I'm curious to make a compromise.

03:41:29.880 Completely and utterly.

03:41:30.680 If we make a compromise, we come to a conclusion that we're both fine with it.

03:41:33.620 I think that's the most caring, compassionate thing that women can do is letting, like...

03:41:38.400 That's not compromise, though.

03:41:39.300 Letting what is surrendering to the decision, forfeiting the decision.

03:41:44.300 Why shouldn't men surrender?

03:41:45.160 This is again another, like, you're seeing it from your point of view, a man you love

03:41:49.300 and respect and wants the best interest for you.

03:41:51.180 Yeah, you're going to surrender to him because you know that he will do what is best for both

03:41:54.720 of you.

03:41:55.220 She's looking at it as like, this guy just started dating in a relationship kind of thing.

03:41:59.160 Am I going to surrender to him?

03:42:00.220 I don't know if that's what he wants the best for me.

03:42:02.640 Like, that's what it's like.

03:42:03.740 Because anyone who trusts the other person knows that they've always made good decisions.

03:42:07.320 They've always looked out for the best of you.

03:42:08.440 Yeah, you would surrender to them because they have a good path forward.

03:42:10.900 It's like a kid and a parent who has a good parent.

03:42:12.980 But don't you think he should...

03:42:13.840 A woman is not a kid, though.

03:42:14.340 A woman knows what's good for herself, too.

03:42:15.260 Right, but I'm saying, like, if a kid has a good parent and the parent has never put

03:42:18.640 them in a bad situation, it's understandable that the parent would want the kid to surrender

03:42:22.980 and you might...

03:42:23.840 And the kid probably should for the better of their...

03:42:26.240 So by this logic, why wouldn't a man surrender to a woman?

03:42:29.260 In this analogy.

03:42:30.400 It's just an analogy of someone who loves and cares for you.

03:42:32.420 Wait.

03:42:32.720 It's not that...

03:42:34.720 It's serious.

03:42:36.180 It's a family member who loves and cares for you.

03:42:38.140 It's just giving the idea of, like, somebody who is dependent or physically dependent or in

03:42:46.100 some way dependent on the person.

03:42:47.340 You shouldn't get married to a person if you're going to refuse to depend on them.

03:42:51.160 That's the whole point.

03:42:51.940 Yeah, in a marriage, both people depend on each other to some degree.

03:42:54.640 Yeah, of course.

03:42:55.200 And so the thing is, is, like, one of the biggest...

03:42:58.460 Remember that old country song?

03:43:00.460 It was, like, I think that pride's the chief cause of the decline of the number of husbands

03:43:04.400 and wives.

03:43:05.100 I don't remember who wrote this.

03:43:06.740 Someone in chat will tell me.

03:43:07.780 Send in this fucking super chat.

03:43:08.880 Tell me that it'll drive me crazy until I remember who sang the song.

03:43:12.500 But the point is, is it's like, well, that's what it sounds like from you.

03:43:15.280 It's just pride.

03:43:16.020 It's just pure pride.

03:43:17.040 It's not pride.

03:43:17.840 I'm not going to...

03:43:18.800 If there's an impasse, we're going to fucking compromise.

03:43:21.940 That's not what it's about.

03:43:22.060 Because I have a pantsuit on.

03:43:23.340 And it's like...

03:43:24.100 No, no, no, no.

03:43:24.720 You know, it's not always necessary.

03:43:26.440 It's like...

03:43:26.860 That's not my take's about.

03:43:27.740 What I'm saying, like, for example, in a situation, your husband wants to move somewhere

03:43:30.800 for a job, you want to stay somewhere for a job.

03:43:32.640 That's not about saying, I'm going to have all this pride.

03:43:35.400 It's about also thinking about what's good for yourself, your own personal life goals,

03:43:39.280 and just, like, not basing your whole life around this other person.

03:43:43.020 Why don't you trust your man to do that for you?

03:43:44.460 Then why get married?

03:43:45.560 Yeah.

03:43:45.800 Why don't you trust that?

03:43:46.220 Because in this situation, you know that you want to stay in this place.

03:43:49.420 And you know that's good for you.

03:43:50.340 That's the environment you want to be in.

03:43:51.420 More than you want to be with this person that you trust and respect?

03:43:53.960 Sure.

03:43:54.340 It can be.

03:43:55.280 Sorry, can I also mention on the kid and parent example, an adult would not listen to their

03:44:02.840 parents on...

03:44:03.620 If my mom called me right now and said, hey, I think you should drop out of school.

03:44:06.420 I think that's what's best for you.

03:44:07.520 I probably wouldn't listen to that because I'm an adult.

03:44:10.260 That's the main difference between that example and why it can't be compared to that situation.

03:44:14.040 No, but you did make...

03:44:15.580 Or someone here made the claim that that is comparable.

03:44:16.820 You always have the choice when you're an adult to leave your parents, right?

03:44:22.700 Though I think less and less people are, and they probably should more, but you always

03:44:27.280 have the choice as an adult to leave your parents, right?

03:44:29.860 A marriage is supposed to be forever.

03:44:31.740 Sure, yeah.

03:44:31.940 And so, like, if that's the case, why would you want to intertwine yourself with someone forever

03:44:37.080 that you don't trust enough to, when they say, this is important to me, to yield to them?

03:44:43.280 I am always going to trust myself above anyone else because I'm a very...

03:44:46.720 Then don't get married.

03:44:47.480 I'm a very competent adult.

03:44:48.560 No, I think that there's a difference as well between leaning on someone and depending on them.

03:44:53.000 I think it's perfectly normal to lean on your partner and for them to help you and for

03:44:57.440 you guys to...

03:44:58.280 It should, you know, be helpful for both parties there.

03:45:01.340 But I also, I do believe that no one person should ever be fully depending on someone

03:45:06.880 else for their well-being, for their decision-making, for their path in life.

03:45:11.740 I think you should trust yourself and I think you should be competent enough to make those

03:45:14.960 decisions for yourself.

03:45:16.100 You know, this is pretty funny, right?

03:45:18.040 It's like, when you're talking about depending here in this context, if you...

03:45:22.980 Why get married if you don't want to be able to depend on the person for those things,

03:45:27.760 for those very things, like for instance, I'm a fucking slob, like I just am, okay?

03:45:33.360 I'm a slob.

03:45:34.240 I'm a smoker, right?

03:45:35.780 And I smoke in my little fucking man cave, right?

03:45:39.480 And I'll consistently look down and the genie has come through and cleaned everything in

03:45:44.000 front of me while I...

03:45:44.960 Sometimes even while I'm live streaming, right?

03:45:47.160 This genie just comes through and it's all gone.

03:45:49.920 And I'm like, this is fucking amazing.

03:45:51.980 It's my wife, right?

03:45:54.060 And every single comfort that I can imagine, right?

03:45:58.140 She predicts on my behalf.

03:46:00.120 You know what I've noticed over the years?

03:46:02.540 Totally fucking depend on her for it.

03:46:06.020 100%, right?

03:46:06.960 Depend on her for it to the point where I don't really think about it much anymore.

03:46:11.160 And it's like, I wouldn't ever want to lose that dependency.

03:46:14.620 Why would I ever want to lose that dependency?

03:46:16.680 And the thing is, is that if you can outsource, if you can outsource heavy decisions because

03:46:21.140 you know that those decisions overall are going to be the best for you and your family, what's

03:46:25.680 wrong with depending on that?

03:46:26.980 That seems really wise.

03:46:29.220 I think a primary difference between you and me is I would not like to marry someone for

03:46:33.240 what they can offer me.

03:46:34.280 I would like to marry someone that I love.

03:46:36.320 I think that a very healthy relationship could exist in the sense...

03:46:40.340 Then why not just be their friend?

03:46:42.580 If you...

03:46:43.260 A relationship looks different than a friendship.

03:46:45.100 You guys behave differently.

03:46:46.360 What's the difference in your view except you're fucking them?

03:46:48.480 Sometimes you spend more time with that person.

03:46:51.040 You live with that person.

03:46:51.760 You can spend tons of time with a friend and live with a friend.

03:46:54.060 I actually have said so many times to my...

03:46:57.100 I have a few friends I love.

03:46:59.520 I will not be in a relationship with someone unless they make me feel that much love.

03:47:03.520 I think she means romantic attraction.

03:47:05.200 When you're dating someone out of love, what do you like to have?

03:47:09.680 What's the number one thing that you need, everybody needs in a loving, romantic relationship?

03:47:16.160 Number one.

03:47:16.780 It's not compromise.

03:47:19.060 Ant wrong.

03:47:19.880 Ant wrong.

03:47:20.460 No.

03:47:20.820 No.

03:47:21.040 None of that's correct.

03:47:22.640 It's not trust.

03:47:24.760 It's not compromise.

03:47:25.900 It's the...

03:47:27.640 It's peace.

03:47:29.620 It's harmony.

03:47:30.820 I disagree with peace and harmony.

03:47:32.160 I think it's a benefit, honestly.

03:47:34.940 For you guys on the end, I'm curious to invert that.

03:47:37.940 Okay.

03:47:38.400 I just want to say that that was a very prostitute-like thing to say.

03:47:41.620 No, no, no.

03:47:42.060 I'm just saying.

03:47:42.440 Not beneficial, like, super transaction.

03:47:44.920 I mean, like you said, where you benefit from having a wife who is good at cleaning because

03:47:48.620 you're not, right?

03:47:49.940 Historically, throughout...

03:47:50.480 Well, it's not really...

03:47:51.340 It's not really...

03:47:51.840 No, that's the only one.

03:47:52.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:47:52.900 But historically, throughout, you know, the humanity, that people have married, they have

03:47:58.160 tied...

03:47:58.500 They have aligned houses for benefit, whether it's land...

03:48:00.780 That's true.

03:48:01.220 Nobility does.

03:48:01.880 Or people, or king, like, anything.

03:48:03.120 And for women, they might be like, I want a father for my kids, so they might get married

03:48:07.040 to have that sense of stability rather than a baby daddy, right?

03:48:09.720 Yeah.

03:48:09.920 Well, generally, like, the historic standard, even though I don't like her much, Lela Rose

03:48:14.560 points this out pretty well, even though I disagree with, like, 90% of her views.

03:48:19.240 She did get this right, and I went through and researched it out.

03:48:21.900 She's pretty much right.

03:48:23.640 It used to be when peasants got married...

03:48:25.980 You're talking about the nobility, alignment of houses, stuff like that.

03:48:28.480 Totally fair.

03:48:29.400 But when peasants got married, it was like, they usually worked a small plot of land together,

03:48:35.120 the husband and the wife.

03:48:36.620 They really actually worked the small plot together.

03:48:39.480 If you were a smith, your wife usually would actually take care of small forge issues, take

03:48:44.220 care of the kids, take care of this, take care of that.

03:48:46.400 If you were a tradesman, something like this.

03:48:47.940 If you were a farmer, same thing.

03:48:49.500 She would exist in that capacity, right?

03:48:51.600 As a helpmate.

03:48:53.080 It was a helpmate situation.

03:48:55.180 The reason that it was so important that it was the man who was in charge is because

03:48:59.900 of the security aspect, right?

03:49:01.600 You have brigadiers and bandits, and you have things that'll kill you.

03:49:04.080 You have literal fucking wolves at the door, right?

03:49:06.340 You have three men who will break into your fucking house and grab your wife and try to steal

03:49:11.200 your Bitcoin.

03:49:11.800 You got to shoot one.

03:49:13.480 That aspect actually hasn't changed.

03:49:16.760 Like that aspect of keeping the wolves at bay, that has not changed.

03:49:20.860 And so that motherfucker gets the big piece of chicken.

03:49:23.240 And that fucking guy gets the higher end of the respect pole.

03:49:26.980 Because when push comes to shove, you expect him, if you're being held hostage, to kill

03:49:32.460 a motherfucker.

03:49:33.060 And your husband did.

03:49:34.320 And so it's like, yeah, he gets the big piece of chicken, right?

03:49:36.880 That's the way it has to work.

03:49:38.320 Yeah.

03:49:38.520 And that's still benefit.

03:49:39.580 All those biological things like being pack animals, you know, it's like at the end of

03:49:43.020 day, we are benefiting from being with one another, you know?

03:49:46.200 And that's good.

03:49:46.920 It's not transactional necessarily in a bad way.

03:49:49.920 It's just part of human nature.

03:49:50.960 And that's actually the truth.

03:49:51.300 And like, that's the form of dependency that's good.

03:49:53.720 It's good dependency.

03:49:55.120 Like, how would you have done better on your own when that happened?

03:49:58.680 Oh, no, I'd be dead.

03:49:59.620 You'd be dead.

03:50:00.460 Like, why shouldn't you depend on that?

03:50:02.360 That's fucking, that's like, that seems like basic common sense, you know?

03:50:06.920 It seems like basic common sense.

03:50:08.340 I think that if he were in her shoes, and this is intended with like zero disrespect at all,

03:50:13.020 but I do think that if you had been in her exact shoes at the time, you also wouldn't

03:50:16.440 have stood a chance against three armed men when you didn't have a firearm on you as she

03:50:20.060 was, I'm guessing.

03:50:21.220 Do you think that she would have handled the situation as good as him?

03:50:24.020 No.

03:50:24.260 Would you?

03:50:24.740 No.

03:50:25.080 No.

03:50:25.480 And by the way, on top of that, how are you with guns in comparison to your husband?

03:50:29.060 I'm great at shooting them once they're already like set up all the magazines loaded

03:50:31.760 for me, right?

03:50:32.100 Yeah, once he loads your magazines, because your fingers hurt.

03:50:34.620 Yeah, exactly.

03:50:35.160 And you can't get, the second you get to the center of the magazine, you go, fuck, fuck,

03:50:38.940 fuck.

03:50:39.080 Yeah.

03:50:39.560 Right?

03:50:39.840 Yep.

03:50:40.060 So he loads it, he takes it, he cocks it.

03:50:42.280 That's hard to, right?

03:50:43.680 Like the gun would have to already be fully loaded.

03:50:44.900 And then he has to put it down and then you pick it up and then you, boy, you're a fucking

03:50:48.500 marksman then, aren't you?

03:50:49.680 I know, right?

03:50:50.420 Yeah.

03:50:51.000 It's like, that's the common American story.

03:50:53.200 And that's the common story between men and women that feminists like to fucking lie

03:50:57.200 about.

03:50:57.720 They like to lie about that shit.

03:50:59.580 Miss has never used a gun, but knows that women can.

03:51:02.560 And I don't know what your history is there too, but when it comes to violence, she has to

03:51:06.660 outsource it to men and men, and you always will have to.

03:51:09.240 And that's why they get the big piece of fucking chicken, they get the honorific, and they get

03:51:14.100 to make the biggest decisions.

03:51:16.220 Does that mean in daily life that you don't compromise?

03:51:18.980 Of course not.

03:51:20.180 Of course you compromise.

03:51:21.020 There's all sorts of things I compromise on.

03:51:22.860 Look, I want that bedroom.

03:51:24.060 That would be a lot better for the girls.

03:51:25.640 Okay, well let's, but you know what?

03:51:27.160 Actually, you're right about that.

03:51:28.340 So let's make sure that that's for the girls.

03:51:29.800 But on the other hand, if it comes down to, hey, this is a big decision.

03:51:34.540 It means a lot to me.

03:51:35.440 You need to follow my lead, and you need to not ask any questions.

03:51:38.220 That's what I get.

03:51:39.560 And man, that's the way.

03:51:41.300 Would you agree that in dating, both women and men can have certain preferences?

03:51:44.440 For example, a woman could have the preference to not want to call her man master, and that's

03:51:48.680 fine.

03:51:49.340 Yeah, but again, the reason I feel like you keep deferring back to master, even though

03:51:53.620 I excuse that as being...

03:51:54.560 It's an example.

03:51:55.280 Forget about that example.

03:51:56.040 Yeah, as being a loaded thing.

03:51:56.620 Women and men can both have preferences.

03:51:58.060 They can.

03:51:58.580 They can have preferences.

03:51:59.440 Maybe they align.

03:52:00.380 Maybe they align, right?

03:52:01.320 But really, would you get rid of a great man who was willing to do all those great things

03:52:05.800 because he wanted an honorific?

03:52:08.600 Like, he wanted you to honor him in some way?

03:52:11.200 I mean, would I have figured this out late into the relationship?

03:52:14.300 Like, I'm curious.

03:52:15.640 Like, if we were first starting to get to know each other...

03:52:17.020 Well, if you get married to him, you should probably have some sort of...

03:52:20.040 You should put him on some sort of platform like you would put the judge you call your honor.

03:52:23.800 Yes.

03:52:24.020 He would know by now that I wouldn't be the kind of person who would do that if we had gone

03:52:27.980 to the point to be...

03:52:28.620 So how is that not just incentive for men to not marry you?

03:52:31.740 Well, I don't think most women who prefer to not want to use an honorific on their husband

03:52:35.880 are going to have trouble getting married.

03:52:37.180 It's not just using an honorific.

03:52:38.220 It's acting as though the honorific is there.

03:52:40.660 I think that that goes both ways.

03:52:42.420 The same way you would behave in a fucking courtroom when it came down to it, the time

03:52:46.200 it came down to it, where the judge is going to say such and you're going to obey, that

03:52:49.780 would be you acting as though the honorific was real, whether you said your honor or fucking

03:52:53.820 not.

03:52:54.100 Like acting like super obedient and like demure and submissive.

03:52:56.960 In certain situations where you need to be demure and you need to be submissive, yes.

03:53:02.200 If I'm dating someone, it's going to be like I'm going to act authentically myself.

03:53:05.180 We're not talking about dating.

03:53:06.240 We're talking about marriage.

03:53:07.700 If I'm marrying someone, it's going to be because I know they like me for who I am authentically.

03:53:12.000 Wait, can we invert that real fast for you guys?

03:53:13.720 Is there a possibility, like, you know, you can pick exactly however you want this person

03:53:20.140 to be, that there's a man that you would, you know, in that previous example, like there's

03:53:24.820 a big decision, you feel one way, he feels the other, right?

03:53:27.980 Like that you would defer to him.

03:53:29.100 Is that man even like possible?

03:53:31.560 Wait, what do you mean?

03:53:32.320 Like he's good for you in every way, right?

03:53:35.020 Yeah.

03:53:35.780 That you would be willing in that moment when push comes to shove for the decision, right?

03:53:39.780 Like you feel one way, he feels the other, that you would defer to him.

03:53:43.780 I mean, it would depend on what I'm deferring to him too.

03:53:47.020 The question is contradictory.

03:53:48.780 There would never be a man who is perfect for me who would ask me to sacrifice my life

03:53:52.580 goals.

03:53:53.120 So the answer is no.

03:53:54.580 No, no, no.

03:53:54.800 So hang on.

03:53:55.300 So hang on.

03:53:55.740 No, he asked the perfect, that was the perfect fucking question.

03:53:58.180 No, I'm ready to answer it.

03:53:58.320 The answer is no.

03:53:59.360 I'm ready to answer it.

03:54:00.440 What the heck?

03:54:01.500 Well, I think that if I'm asked, like, for example, move to Antarctica.

03:54:05.200 No, no, no.

03:54:05.480 I'm sorry.

03:54:05.780 If I was asked to move to Antarctica, that is giving up my life goals.

03:54:08.640 My life goals happen.

03:54:09.780 And here.

03:54:10.420 So the answer is no.

03:54:11.480 Yeah.

03:54:12.040 Because that man.

03:54:13.000 I told you the answer is no.

03:54:14.420 That man is capable of existing.

03:54:15.740 But it also depends on the degree of, like, the conflict.

03:54:17.640 Like, in certain situations, like, I would, of course, be willing to, like, see something.

03:54:21.240 But you can make this guy perfect.

03:54:22.340 Like, anything that you could ever possibly want.

03:54:24.660 I could not make him perfect if he's asking that.

03:54:26.340 Yeah, if he's asking her to do any fucking thing.

03:54:28.300 No, if he's asking her to do any fucking thing.

03:54:28.320 He can't make him perfect.

03:54:29.180 We're talking about extreme life decisions.

03:54:31.060 I think that compromise also means sometimes giving in to what your partner wants on both ends.

03:54:35.420 Fine, then don't.

03:54:35.440 I'll tell you what.

03:54:36.120 Then don't.

03:54:36.660 Then here's the thing.

03:54:37.260 Don't do my huge life decisions.

03:54:38.480 Get married and don't defer to him for a huge life decision.

03:54:41.320 But also, don't expect him to put his life on the line when three men break into your fucking house and have you hostage.

03:54:46.500 No, no, no.

03:54:46.780 Okay?

03:54:47.000 Don't expect that either.

03:54:48.560 Because I would do that for him as well.

03:54:49.860 If I was the one holding the gun, I would start shooting.

03:54:51.760 You don't have the capacity to do it.

03:54:53.380 That's the point.

03:54:53.480 You don't think I'm capable of shooting a gun.

03:54:54.900 I don't think that you're.

03:54:56.020 Look.

03:54:56.700 I don't think that you're capable the same way he is.

03:54:59.200 Do you believe that I am capable of shooting a gun?

03:55:00.660 I don't think you're capable of the same way he is.

03:55:01.900 That was not my question.

03:55:02.600 And so security will always be deferred to him.

03:55:04.120 That was not my question.

03:55:05.100 Okay, I'll tell you what.

03:55:05.720 That's not true.

03:55:05.920 Let's say that.

03:55:06.480 No, no, no.

03:55:06.820 You know what?

03:55:07.180 Actually, no.

03:55:08.000 I don't think you're capable of it.

03:55:09.320 Tell me how you load a gun.

03:55:10.580 I don't know.

03:55:11.300 I think that I could learn.

03:55:12.000 Then you're not capable of it.

03:55:13.060 Then you're not fucking capable of it.

03:55:14.120 Currently in this state right now as we speak, no.

03:55:16.440 If I learned, yes.

03:55:17.360 Then you're not capable of it.

03:55:18.700 I am physically capable.

03:55:19.140 Then you're not capable of it.

03:55:20.720 Okay.

03:55:21.020 I just think there's also a different way that men and women.

03:55:22.060 That doesn't mean she's unimportant.

03:55:23.480 I think that.

03:55:24.120 Yeah.

03:55:24.340 I also think that.

03:55:25.080 I'm sorry.

03:55:25.480 I didn't mean to cut you off.

03:55:26.100 Go on.

03:55:26.540 I think there's a.

03:55:27.240 For a lot of people, there's always exceptions.

03:55:29.480 But women, a lot of times, will process adrenaline and trauma quickly.

03:55:33.820 They're more likely to run than they are to fight.

03:55:36.040 If they can.

03:55:36.800 Which is wise.

03:55:37.300 If it's an option.

03:55:38.120 That's fucking smart.

03:55:38.580 I don't know if.

03:55:39.640 Or submit, right?

03:55:40.720 So you have fight, flight, but you also have submit.

03:55:42.600 That's what I did.

03:55:42.980 I ran.

03:55:43.420 I ran to him.

03:55:44.000 Yeah.

03:55:44.260 I don't know on like a wide scale thing.

03:55:45.740 I know for me personally, I do fight.

03:55:48.140 That is my immediate response.

03:55:49.340 Oh, and three men break in and they have fucking glocks with 30 round match and we fight and shit.

03:55:53.060 And if he were in that circumstance as well, I'm sorry.

03:55:55.500 He wasn't in that circumstance.

03:55:56.680 He shot the fucking guy.

03:55:58.320 He was the one holding the gun.

03:55:59.000 They didn't know where he was.

03:56:00.080 They didn't have him hostage.

03:56:01.580 If he was not the one holding the gun, if he was alone in that room.

03:56:04.360 It's a good thing the woman is here to explain to you that if the situation was reversed, he'd be fucked.

03:56:08.420 Yeah, because he's not likely to run.

03:56:10.260 He's likely to fight, but he can't in that moment.

03:56:12.120 He'd probably just be dead.

03:56:12.860 For me, I'm thinking like, where can I run to?

03:56:15.080 Him.

03:56:15.540 And luckily, his response is to fight.

03:56:17.340 So that's when the marriage works out.

03:56:18.720 Wait, just on this really quick.

03:56:20.460 So when this happened, you said you ran in fear to him.

03:56:24.800 Yeah.

03:56:25.020 I think, you know, I understand a little bit what you're saying, but I think that there's a different component here to a different angle that we can examine.

03:56:34.280 I would argue just, you know, we're talking about dating that in the event that men won't judge women harshly when women display cowardice.

03:56:47.620 So even in instances where you say, well, I would do the same thing.

03:56:52.960 Maybe that's true.

03:56:54.160 Maybe that's true.

03:56:55.000 However, if you were to not do that and you were to run away in a cowardly fashion, your boyfriend or husband would not lose attraction for you.

03:57:08.160 There wouldn't be a negative judgment.

03:57:09.900 However, and I don't know if it's the case for you, but I would argue the vast majority of women, if men acted in the same way that women did where, and I don't think you did anything wrong, by the way.

03:57:20.920 But if men acted in the same way women did, they were cowards.

03:57:25.440 They were scared.

03:57:26.140 They ran.

03:57:26.780 If a husband ran to his wife, oh my God, home invasion, what do we do?

03:57:33.160 Regardless of the outcome.

03:57:34.160 She wouldn't be very appreciative, would she, Brian?

03:57:35.940 Regardless of the outcome of the home invasion, whether, you know, she, the woman dispatches the home invaders, women will intrinsically get the ick.

03:57:46.340 If the man's a coward, the man doesn't rise to the occasion.

03:57:50.520 I think a lot of women are going to either consciously or subconsciously.

03:57:55.000 They're going to lose attraction.

03:57:56.560 They're going to, there's going to be an assessment.

03:57:58.360 But Brian, she's about to tell you she's the exception to that.

03:58:01.460 I promise.

03:58:02.240 Yeah.

03:58:03.040 It's a fucking, like, clockwork.

03:58:04.960 It's like clockwork.

03:58:06.780 I can predict everything you're going to say before you ever say it.

03:58:10.840 What can I say?

03:58:11.860 For me, I would have preferred, like, let's say we reverse the situation, right?

03:58:15.480 And I'm in the bedroom, they storm in, and then she's hiding somewhere.

03:58:19.080 I'd actually, whether I live or die, prefer for her to stay hidden.

03:58:22.740 Like, I mean, I think that's just a better, you know, because you have to have some, like, reasonably likelihood of success.

03:58:29.220 Otherwise, it's just a second person dead.

03:58:30.720 Yeah, what's the point?

03:58:31.460 That literally makes sense what he's saying, right?

03:58:34.500 Can I actually say in the circumstance?

03:58:36.200 Hang on, hang on one second.

03:58:37.780 Let me just point this out, right?

03:58:39.080 Go on.

03:58:39.320 What he just gave you was great male pragmatism, right?

03:58:42.960 And it's why we're so good at this and why women are so fucking terrible at it.

03:58:46.100 I would prefer that you just went ahead and kill me why this person stayed hidden, because I think her chances are so low of saving me from this, right, that it's fucking stupid for her to pop her head out.

03:58:59.060 Because if she does, she's just going to die, and then there's going to be two of us dead.

03:59:03.180 Great male pragmatism.

03:59:04.220 Not what she's seeing the majority of these situations from women, which is why she ran to him.

03:59:10.860 Wait, I have one question for you.

03:59:12.400 One question for you on my statement.

03:59:14.440 Yes.

03:59:14.700 There's this scene from, I'm going to get some heat for this, but just for R&D, like she said, research and development.

03:59:23.420 I've been watching Sex and the City, and there was just for research, research purposes.

03:59:31.040 There's actually a lot of interesting...

03:59:32.700 Just don't.

03:59:33.660 Just stop.

03:59:34.740 No, don't worry.

03:59:35.200 No, no, no.

03:59:35.800 Just stop.

03:59:36.240 No, but there's a scene.

03:59:37.800 There's a scene.

03:59:38.780 And one of the female leads, one of the female, maybe not the lead, one of the female main characters or whatever.

03:59:45.520 What's her name, Brian?

03:59:46.560 Yeah.

03:59:47.260 What's her name, Brian?

03:59:48.500 It was Charlotte.

03:59:49.280 Oh, you knew her name?

03:59:50.220 Yeah.

03:59:50.920 Yeah, okay.

03:59:51.680 She's an actor.

03:59:52.740 So, Charlotte was dating this guy who, I mean, they were sleeping together, so he wasn't gay, but he was acting in a sort of gay, effeminate way.

04:00:03.880 And, you know, she was really attracted.

04:00:06.380 He was a good-looking guy.

04:00:07.220 She was attracted to him.

04:00:09.080 But there was one...

04:00:10.380 And she was on the fence about his kind of effeminate nature.

04:00:14.120 But there was one breaking moment where, like, a little mouse or rat scurried across the kitchen, and he jumped on a chair like this.

04:00:23.900 Oh, my gosh.

04:00:25.380 And she just...

04:00:26.200 She knew right then and there it was...

04:00:28.680 Like, she couldn't date a guy like that.

04:00:30.340 So, my question to you is, you say you don't...

04:00:33.400 You wouldn't care.

04:00:34.100 You say you wouldn't care.

04:00:35.720 You're telling me, if you were dating a guy, and he saw a spider, and he jumped and hid and, oh, my God, and screamed...

04:00:45.940 It would be funny.

04:00:47.180 Like, the same way it would be funny if I jumped on a chair and laughed.

04:00:50.280 You wouldn't think that?

04:00:51.040 No!

04:00:51.560 I would think he's a bitch.

04:00:52.220 Okay, what I wanted to say...

04:00:53.460 You wouldn't think that?

04:00:53.740 No, I would not.

04:00:54.860 People have irrational fears.

04:00:54.940 Your ovaries would shrivel up and fucking die.

04:00:57.360 Your ovaries would jump out of your mouth and commit suicide in front of you.

04:01:00.720 That's what would happen.

04:01:01.900 Your ovaries would beat each other to death with their bare fucking hands.

04:01:05.100 You are more than welcome to not believe me on this point.

04:01:07.060 I don't.

04:01:07.720 I don't...

04:01:08.020 Not only do I not believe you, but, like, come on.

04:01:11.180 Come on.

04:01:11.580 Like, even your peers would be like, what a bitch.

04:01:15.180 Your friend group would say, what a bitch.

04:01:17.740 That doesn't matter to me in a slightest.

04:01:18.780 You're the exception, though, of course, right?

04:01:20.660 I don't know.

04:01:21.500 I can't speak on other women's behalf, but I know many women who agree with me.

04:01:24.480 Let me ask you this.

04:01:24.720 Your last boyfriend, was he bigger and stronger than you?

04:01:26.500 I'm sorry?

04:01:26.980 Well, your last boyfriend, was he bigger?

04:01:28.340 Yes.

04:01:28.700 How much bigger?

04:01:30.520 How do I, like, measure that?

04:01:32.540 Your height versus his?

04:01:34.740 My...

04:01:35.260 The last person I dated was 6'2".

04:01:39.300 The person I'm currently dating was 5'10".

04:01:40.200 Oh, he was 6'2".

04:01:40.980 Was he somewhat muscular?

04:01:43.080 Sure.

04:01:43.580 Oh, that's interesting.

04:01:45.500 You were attracted to this 6'2", muscular man.

04:01:48.380 What?

04:01:48.600 I remember how before, when you said we're hardwired for what we're hardwired for, right?

04:01:54.500 The 6'2", muscular man.

04:01:56.520 Why do you think you were attracted to him?

04:02:00.300 Was it because he was big and strong and buff-looking?

04:02:03.080 No, it wasn't.

04:02:03.740 No, it wasn't.

04:02:04.420 No.

04:02:04.820 It just happened to be that he was 6'2", and muscular.

04:02:07.200 Genuinely, yes.

04:02:07.880 Yeah.

04:02:08.620 I am...

04:02:09.260 That's insane how many of you women happen to find the guy with the perfect personality

04:02:13.280 happens to be 6'2", and muscular.

04:02:15.660 That's crazy.

04:02:16.500 It had nothing to do with his physical characteristics.

04:02:19.400 Nothing.

04:02:19.500 I broke up with him, and he looked the same the whole time.

04:02:23.000 Yeah, you can break up with him, sure.

04:02:25.460 But the point is, the guy before him, was he 5'6", and bald?

04:02:30.760 He was, I think, 5'7", and had the forehead that was his entire face.

04:02:37.440 Yeah, and how long were you with him?

04:02:38.660 Two years.

04:02:39.520 And how long were you with the last boyfriend?

04:02:41.040 Two and a half.

04:02:41.500 Uh-huh.

04:02:42.880 So, every time...

04:02:44.420 It's funny.

04:02:45.080 I'm just saying, it's funny to me that many times I hear women talk about how it is that,

04:02:50.920 no, if this guy acts like a fucking pussy, I don't mind at all.

04:02:54.860 It's fine.

04:02:55.480 And so, you know, he's...

04:02:56.400 You know, I would think it was funny.

04:02:57.820 It's cutesy, actually.

04:02:59.500 And then you ask him about the characteristics of their boyfriend, right?

04:03:02.500 And here's what you find out.

04:03:04.540 They're tall, and they're muscular, and they absolutely would never do that in a million

04:03:08.680 fucking years.

04:03:09.500 Jump.

04:03:10.000 Would your 6'2", muscular boyfriend go, ew, a rat!

04:03:13.280 Hang on, would he jump up on a chair and go, oh my god, a rat!

04:03:16.080 Would he?

04:03:16.680 The truth.

04:03:17.340 My ex-boyfriend?

04:03:18.400 Yeah, would he?

04:03:20.280 Like, probably not?

04:03:21.380 Yeah, probably not.

04:03:23.440 Isn't that fucking convenient?

04:03:24.240 This is one of the most feminine men I know.

04:03:26.520 I'm sorry, with love.

04:03:27.420 He's probably watching this.

04:03:28.440 We're great friends.

04:03:29.260 But he's very feminine.

04:03:32.000 He's like a very feminine man.

04:03:33.540 Okay.

04:03:34.100 He's not tough by any means.

04:03:36.160 But he ain't gonna jump up on the fucking chair and say, oh, a rat.

04:03:38.880 I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

04:03:40.220 I don't think logically he would.

04:03:41.840 Okay.

04:03:42.340 I just think it's interesting that you said that the trait you value most in a relationship

04:03:46.900 was trust?

04:03:48.520 Compromise.

04:03:49.140 Okay, it was compromise.

04:03:51.240 Okay, I thought yours was trust.

04:03:52.180 So yours was trust.

04:03:53.220 Okay.

04:03:53.380 Okay, then is that still the deciding factor for you in a successful relationship?

04:04:00.860 I think there are many deciding factors.

04:04:03.120 Number one, you have to choose one.

04:04:04.540 If I had to choose one, I'd say compromise.

04:04:06.400 But it really is on equal par to a lot of other things.

04:04:09.660 That's just an effect.

04:04:10.680 That's just one means to an end for what?

04:04:16.700 Compromise is one tool in the tool belt of your utilities.

04:04:20.220 Yes.

04:04:20.460 To achieve what?

04:04:22.060 A happy, healthy relationship?

04:04:23.920 Happiness or peace.

04:04:25.000 One of those two, right?

04:04:26.020 Like, that's what I had said before, is the most important deciding factor of a relationship

04:04:30.680 is peace.

04:04:33.520 When you're not able to use the tools in your tool belt to accomplish said end effect, whether

04:04:40.860 yours is happiness or peace, I mean, they're kind of the same thing for me.

04:04:45.160 Um, then I think that is a, a failure on this, on...

04:04:52.660 But you don't advocate for compromise.

04:04:54.780 You're advocating to not use the tool in your tool belt to lead to a happy relationship.

04:04:59.220 That's horse shit.

04:05:00.380 I'm sorry.

04:05:00.740 She had nuance with her position.

04:05:02.960 It wasn't simply...

04:05:04.420 Just compromise.

04:05:05.400 It wasn't never compromise.

04:05:06.300 Her nuance was attempt to compromise, and then if it doesn't...

04:05:08.860 It wasn't, it was if the, if we get to the time where it's a massive decision and there

04:05:15.520 is an impasse where debate no longer works, where discussion no longer works, where rather

04:05:21.280 than throw the relationship in the toilet, she'll yield and she'll go ahead and go with

04:05:26.840 the person that she trusts, who's her husband, which is what she's supposed to do.

04:05:30.640 That is very different than saying, I refuse to compromise.

04:05:34.180 That's saying only in the situations where like, look, this matters so much to him that

04:05:39.760 he's unwilling to, I need to trust that.

04:05:42.020 But in a situation where something matters so much to her that she's unwilling to, why

04:05:47.120 does it not matter?

04:05:47.860 Because there has to be a tiebreaker.

04:05:49.520 Because there's only two of you.

04:05:50.760 So it just goes to the man?

04:05:51.460 There's only two of you.

04:05:52.500 So it just, it just defaults to the man.

04:05:53.940 Look, you can have a relationship where you can defer to the woman for those choices,

04:05:57.880 but those relationships tend to not work out.

04:05:59.960 I disagree with that.

04:06:01.120 I don't think that you should be deferring to anyone.

04:06:01.960 Hang on, I don't care what you disagree with.

04:06:03.580 What we see from data itself is that women want assertive men with good leadership capabilities.

04:06:09.060 If that's the case, if you have good leadership capabilities, if you're unwilling to compromise,

04:06:13.780 then that means that you must have some really good fucking reason for it.

04:06:18.720 So if she's unwilling to compromise, then she must have really good reason for it.

04:06:23.020 Women don't generally exert the same type of leadership abilities as men.

04:06:26.540 I guess generally, but again, I mean, you're just claiming that this is how relationships

04:06:31.300 should function without considering.

04:06:32.520 Well, I'm not saying that you couldn't do it the opposite way.

04:06:34.360 I'm only giving you the fact that if you do do it the opposite way, they generally don't

04:06:38.080 work out as well as the other way.

04:06:39.420 Well, I don't think that it works out well either way.

04:06:41.160 Someone's unhappy in the situation.

04:06:41.760 I am sorry.

04:06:42.140 I do have to move on to the next topic.

04:06:44.860 Robert Tanner.

04:06:45.480 Hey, Brian from Robert Tanner.

04:06:47.100 Been a while into the stream.

04:06:49.420 Glad to be back.

04:06:50.320 Did the panel submit to the government when they forced a shutdown and caused us to obey

04:06:56.180 restrictions?

04:06:57.620 Yeah.

04:06:58.000 It's a good question there.

04:06:59.640 A bit of obedience there, wasn't there?

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04:09:46.560 Just so I can, and by the way, it takes me probably a year to go through, more than a year to go through one case.

04:09:51.940 So, I'd have to be doing the show for 60 years to finish all these cups.

04:09:55.480 I'm a fucking madman.

04:09:57.880 But, I don't know where I'm going with that.

04:10:00.580 But, anyways, I've stored some at my parents' house.

04:10:04.560 They're not happy with it.

04:10:05.980 And there's like 30 cases, and it's actually a nightmare.

04:10:09.780 But, anyways, it's for the vision.

04:10:12.320 It's for the, yeah, guys, help me out here.

04:10:14.180 Pull it back up, Nick.

04:10:15.440 I'm trying to get rid of them.

04:10:16.340 I'm trying to fucking empty the stock.

04:10:18.120 They were expensive.

04:10:18.900 So, you can get a sleeve.

04:10:21.040 You can get a case.

04:10:21.940 Also, go back, go back.

04:10:24.280 We're selling the Picklehabba.

04:10:27.100 Picklehabba.

04:10:27.820 Scroll down.

04:10:29.280 Madison's Picklehabba.

04:10:30.340 Felicity.

04:10:32.980 There's like different variations.

04:10:34.660 We have like six or seven of them in studio.

04:10:37.360 Madison used to have one.

04:10:38.680 We're selling three of them.

04:10:40.380 So, anyways, you can support via shop.whatever.

04:10:43.240 Also, join our Discord.

04:10:44.380 Oh, really quick.

04:10:45.060 Pull up Discord.

04:10:46.140 Yeah, that's fine.

04:10:47.540 Discord.gg slash whatever.

04:10:48.740 If you're enjoying the stream, like the video.

04:10:50.260 Also, guys, DebateUniversity.com.

04:10:52.460 If you want to learn how to become a master debater like Andrew Wilson over here, you got

04:10:56.760 to check out his program, DebateUniversity.com.

04:11:01.440 What the heck?

04:11:02.120 Dot com.

04:11:03.200 You won't know how to proceed in life.

04:11:06.220 Not around the holidays.

04:11:07.540 I mean, you're going to have your stupid liberal friends over.

04:11:12.160 You're going to have your dumb liberal parents around.

04:11:14.340 You're going to have your stupid liberal sister.

04:11:15.900 You want to make sure that you smash their faces, and verbally, of course, around that

04:11:20.460 Thanksgiving dinner.

04:11:21.480 The best way that you can do that is to buy the course, and you should do that, yes.

04:11:26.800 That's true.

04:11:27.120 Andrew does raise a good point.

04:11:28.380 Thanksgiving time, Christmas, you're sitting down with the family.

04:11:32.260 Many a familial relationship has completely degraded due to, you know, eggnog and fucking

04:11:41.120 turkey and just getting plagued.

04:11:43.500 And, Brian, if they're going to fucking hate you the next day, you might as well win.

04:11:47.240 Exactly.

04:11:48.540 DebateUniversity.com.

04:11:49.580 So, when you do have that Thanksgiving debate with your fucking aunt, you smoke the shit

04:11:54.220 out of her and completely scorched earth that relationship.

04:11:57.340 Make sure she doesn't talk to you until next Thanksgiving.

04:12:00.740 Yes.

04:12:01.300 Yeah.

04:12:02.060 Get disowned by your parents.

04:12:05.580 GetDebateUniversity.com.

04:12:06.940 We're doing...

04:12:08.680 Maybe that's too far.

04:12:10.120 Okay.

04:12:10.320 Do you want to go to Discord?

04:12:12.320 No, no, no.

04:12:13.520 If it's a progressive aunt, get disowned.

04:12:16.060 But just do it with style.

04:12:17.580 Do it with style.

04:12:18.300 All right.

04:12:18.920 Discord, guys.

04:12:19.620 Discord.gg slash whatever.

04:12:22.600 Just for the sake of time, I don't know if we'll...

04:12:24.560 At the end, time allowing, I'll get into the Crash Out Kylie update.

04:12:29.560 If you guys don't recall, Andrew had a heated debate with Crash Out Kylie, and then she's

04:12:38.780 lost her mind online.

04:12:41.240 She got...

04:12:41.960 Ball's palsy.

04:12:43.460 Bell's palsy and blames it on us.

04:12:46.520 And then she's making up all these lies.

04:12:48.860 Like, she was...

04:12:50.400 Digitally S8.

04:12:52.840 Well, that's crazy.

04:12:54.020 Digitally S8.

04:12:55.180 But she's claiming she was dishonestly lured to...

04:12:59.960 She didn't know what she's getting into.

04:13:01.640 Nick, just click that photo at the...

04:13:04.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:13:05.040 She claims we were dishonest, and she didn't know what she's getting into.

04:13:08.940 Hi, Kylie.

04:13:09.500 Hope you're doing well.

04:13:10.580 Would like to have you on our podcast for a debate on feminism.

04:13:13.780 I don't know how that could be.

04:13:15.800 I don't know if she thought we were...

04:13:16.880 I don't know.

04:13:17.720 You know, whatever.

04:13:18.980 Anyways, that was for a 1v1 debate, different from the dating panel that we're doing now.

04:13:22.940 But I was too mean.

04:13:25.740 Smoky man bad.

04:13:26.220 We could refer to the legal definition of S8, if you prefer.

04:13:30.780 Yeah, well...

04:13:31.660 Well, yeah.

04:13:32.500 Digital S8 legally means something very differently than what she meant.

04:13:36.720 Holy shit.

04:13:37.640 And by the way, can I just point this out?

04:13:42.380 She threatened to sue Brian because she lost the debate.

04:13:46.600 She threatened to sue him.

04:13:48.000 Oh, yeah.

04:13:48.380 She lost the debate.

04:13:49.960 I've never seen anything like this.

04:13:51.820 This was like...

04:13:52.660 Even Desiree wasn't that fucking crazy.

04:13:55.200 Well, actually, Desiree also sent me legal threats.

04:13:58.280 Never mind.

04:13:58.820 Desiree was that crazy.

04:13:59.880 Desiree is definitely that crazy.

04:14:01.280 And Priscilla, by the way.

04:14:03.880 The two women who happened to assault me.

04:14:06.060 The girl...

04:14:06.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:14:08.620 It's crazy.

04:14:09.020 Yeah, that does happen.

04:14:09.820 Anyways...

04:14:10.820 One sexually assaulted me, and then the other one literally tried to physically assault me.

04:14:16.480 It's wild.

04:14:17.360 It's wild.

04:14:18.380 Nick, go back to the Discord really quick.

04:14:20.400 Like, if you guys want to see discord.gg slash whatever, pull up that.

04:14:24.820 Yeah.

04:14:25.540 Just go for the...

04:14:26.820 By the way, I post all my legal threats.

04:14:29.700 I post my legal threats.

04:14:31.040 You see it there in the whatever legal threats.

04:14:33.260 You don't have to go to it.

04:14:34.520 But it's there if you want.

04:14:35.620 I post a lot on the Discord, by the way, guys.

04:14:38.060 Behind the scenes, legal threats, all this stuff.

04:14:40.360 So join the Discord.

04:14:41.320 Discord.gg slash whatever.

04:14:43.120 Or if, speaking of legal threats, if you want to see all the ridiculous fucking cease and desist, blah, blah, blah.

04:14:50.380 You know, look, if it's valid, you know, whatever.

04:14:53.780 But most of it's just bogus.

04:14:56.760 What's the term?

04:14:57.820 Frivolous.

04:14:58.500 Frivolous.

04:14:59.220 Frivolous.

04:15:00.160 Frivolous.

04:15:00.800 Frivolous nonsense.

04:15:01.700 I also have to shill for just a quick second.

04:15:04.020 Debate Con.

04:15:04.480 Debate Con.

04:15:05.520 It's coming up the 15th, 16th.

04:15:08.680 Two headline debates over there.

04:15:11.260 We've already sold, I think, over 200 tickets.

04:15:14.180 There's not very many left.

04:15:15.540 Strongly suggest you get over there.

04:15:16.800 It's going to be a blast.

04:15:18.600 You can get those tickets on Modern Day Debate.

04:15:22.100 And, yeah, it's going to be a blast, guys.

04:15:23.960 So I hope to see all of you there.

04:15:25.040 It's in Nashville, Tennessee.

04:15:26.800 I also have to shill for Kate, for Amaranth.

04:15:31.700 No, you don't.

04:15:33.080 Don't worry about it.

04:15:34.740 Does she need more?

04:15:36.460 Tomorrow, after the debate that you have scheduled.

04:15:39.680 By the way, speaking of which, more shilling.

04:15:42.460 Andrew Wilson has a debate tomorrow.

04:15:44.980 Tomorrow, approximately 3 p.m. Pacific.

04:15:48.300 Round two with Naima.

04:15:50.300 Naima from Jubilee.

04:15:51.740 Round two.

04:15:52.200 That's going to be big, guys.

04:15:54.340 Do not miss it.

04:15:54.540 Why?

04:15:54.820 She's fucking dumb.

04:15:56.080 She's so cool.

04:15:57.020 What do you mean?

04:15:57.380 Be nice, Andrew.

04:15:58.360 Come on.

04:15:58.640 Be nice.

04:15:59.580 Anyways.

04:15:59.940 Anyways, I'm going to show up for Amaranth here.

04:16:05.840 After that debate, there's going to be a hot tub in the whatever studio.

04:16:10.760 And there's going to be ear microphones for ASMR.

04:16:14.160 No, I'm just kidding.

04:16:15.400 Sorry.

04:16:15.820 I didn't bring it.

04:16:16.480 You should have told me ahead of time.

04:16:18.100 Could have brought them.

04:16:19.320 Oh, do you still do the ear ASMR?

04:16:21.640 I don't lick them anymore.

04:16:23.080 Is it like against the TOS now?

04:16:25.200 Yeah, it is.

04:16:25.980 That's good because I got really tired of doing that.

04:16:28.440 Yeah.

04:16:29.160 Yeah.

04:16:29.940 You know what tripped me out?

04:16:31.840 So I never, when I first started streaming, I had no idea what this ASMR shit was.

04:16:38.340 And somebody sent it to me.

04:16:40.540 And I was like, what the fuck is this?

04:16:42.400 Like, why does anybody watch this shit?

04:16:43.880 This is the craziest thing.

04:16:45.340 And then I started thinking about it.

04:16:47.200 And then side by side, I put up the sound the predator makes with the ASMR, and it was fucking identical.

04:16:54.860 Wow.

04:16:55.260 Yeah.

04:16:55.700 So like the ear lickers all over Twitch, you put up the predator, just the predator mouth going, you know, the sound it makes sounds fucking identical.

04:17:05.800 Actually, you know what?

04:17:07.140 But Brian, do you know how ironic that is?

04:17:10.300 The predator sound is the same sound.

04:17:15.340 Just saying.

04:17:16.500 There's something there.

04:17:17.200 There's something there.

04:17:17.880 There's definitely something there.

04:17:18.620 I haven't, like.

04:17:19.360 I mean, do you have an alien fetish?

04:17:21.160 No, I'm not sure, but I think that there's a play on words there that I want to dive into that I don't quite have figured out, but, you know.

04:17:30.000 Thank you, David.

04:17:30.840 Yeah, it's.

04:17:31.680 Hey, by the way, I'm on a diet, and I refuse to do Ozempic.

04:17:34.980 Raw dog in the diet.

04:17:37.100 Actually, you know what?

04:17:38.120 What do you mean?

04:17:38.300 I've lost a ton of weight.

04:17:39.560 I don't know.

04:17:40.000 I don't know what you're talking about there.

04:17:41.260 Yeah, I lost 10 pounds.

04:17:42.660 You know, it's coming off.

04:17:44.520 You know what, though?

04:17:46.560 Brainstorm.

04:17:47.100 Look, the camera adds.

04:17:49.400 That's true.

04:17:50.060 It's just the camera.

04:17:51.100 It adds 100 pounds.

04:17:51.600 And the lighting in the studio.

04:17:53.040 It adds 100 pounds, and it makes me look way less muscular than I actually am.

04:17:56.760 I actually was thinking, though, we should do a dating talk panel hot tub stream.

04:18:06.400 Oh, no.

04:18:07.180 Not with you, Andrew.

04:18:08.220 Not with me.

04:18:08.780 I don't even want to be in that shit, because.

04:18:10.760 You're suggesting it.

04:18:12.100 What do you mean?

04:18:13.000 I don't know.

04:18:13.660 I'll have Kate hosting.

04:18:15.580 I'll have Felicity.

04:18:17.080 And it'll be a hot tub dating talk stream.

04:18:20.840 Would you be a prostitute at that point?

04:18:23.520 No.

04:18:23.860 What?

04:18:25.060 No.

04:18:25.320 Because it's sexual activity.

04:18:27.280 No, hold on.

04:18:28.240 Look.

04:18:29.100 Maybe a pimp.

04:18:29.980 It's different.

04:18:30.440 No, no.

04:18:30.940 No, no.

04:18:31.380 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

04:18:32.420 It is different.

04:18:33.520 He would be a pimp.

04:18:35.080 Yeah.

04:18:37.740 You got me there.

04:18:38.700 He would be a pimp.

04:18:39.800 Yeah.

04:18:39.940 I think it's different, because, you know, you would be.

04:18:45.540 People go in hot tubs, and that's not inherently a sexual thing.

04:18:49.700 Why don't you just put on the pimp hat, Brian?

04:18:51.620 Like, that's what you're saying.

04:18:52.540 By the way.

04:18:53.120 Nick.

04:18:53.420 Nick.

04:18:53.500 Nick.

04:18:53.680 Oh, he's laying the hair down.

04:18:59.500 Wait, you got to do slow-mo, like, you know, wave.

04:19:02.900 Oh, shit.

04:19:03.780 I swear to God, you're exactly what I envision an Asian pimp would look like.

04:19:07.300 I'm just going to point that out, okay?

04:19:10.380 Oh, shit.

04:19:12.060 That is crazy.

04:19:13.800 Oh, me so horny.

04:19:15.380 Me not too long.

04:19:16.660 Brian.

04:19:17.640 Why would you press that?

04:19:18.320 How did you get his voice lines?

04:19:20.320 That's insane.

04:19:21.420 That's crazy.

04:19:22.940 Whoa.

04:19:23.840 Okay, so anyways.

04:19:24.820 Here, moving on to some new topics here.

04:19:28.040 I would never.

04:19:28.840 Moving on to some new topics.

04:19:31.880 Continuing, though, with Courtney's notes.

04:19:34.040 Courtney, you say women's highest good isn't bearing children.

04:19:39.380 It's the same as a man's, which is self-sacrifice.

04:19:42.380 I mean, childbirth could be a form of that.

04:19:47.640 Let me add a little bit here because you wrote some more.

04:19:49.700 You say you disagree vehemently.

04:19:52.400 Did I say that right?

04:19:53.900 Vehemently.

04:19:54.840 Vehemently.

04:19:55.360 Vehemently.

04:19:55.840 Wait, wait, wait.

04:19:56.780 Vehemently.

04:19:57.180 That women should, you disagree that women should be at home barefoot and pregnant.

04:20:02.700 She should find her purpose with alignment of the man she chooses to date.

04:20:06.820 It is this reason you disagree that a woman's greatest joy is rearing children.

04:20:12.960 It first is beholden to her husband, herself, then children.

04:20:17.140 Or God husband, children, herself.

04:20:18.880 Or husband, children, herself.

04:20:20.480 If that is what her man chooses for her.

04:20:25.000 I think it's, I may have been a little bit of word vomit there, but I do believe that

04:20:29.920 in essence, self-sacrifice people.

04:20:33.600 It's like self-sacrifice.

04:20:35.820 It's my, in essence, it's about not just going and making a sandwich, going and making him

04:20:42.480 a sandwich that makes a woman the most obedient type of helpmate.

04:20:48.420 I believe, you know, not all women can bear children and not all men want, want children.

04:20:57.540 And I, and I think that that doesn't make people less at all.

04:21:02.800 I think what makes people valuable to society is when they can emulate what self-sacrifice

04:21:09.960 looks like, whether it's self-sacrifice to your work, to your spouse, to your, you know,

04:21:15.040 if you can have children, children, to education, to something philanthropic, you know.

04:21:20.760 Well, is there any higher value a woman who can have children have for self-sacrifice than

04:21:25.720 having children?

04:21:27.740 So, I mean, the same thing can be posed to a man.

04:21:30.760 If a man is.

04:21:32.140 No, before you pose it to a man.

04:21:33.680 Okay, I'm, I'm, okay, I'm going to answer your question first, but then I'd like to reverse

04:21:37.020 it, but with a woman that is fertile, is.

04:21:43.840 What's a higher sacrifice she could make than having children?

04:21:46.660 I believe it's going to be as the man, as the helpmate of the man to serve as, like I

04:21:54.620 said, like I believe that she should call him master in a relationship, meaning that

04:21:59.140 she surrenders.

04:21:59.960 If so, if she truly loves this person, think about what surrendering, what that means.

04:22:08.380 That means you're at peace, that you trust this person, that you trust this person with

04:22:13.920 your life, that, you know, a lot of people, we want to think, we want to fight, we want

04:22:19.020 to argue, we want to like be upset and offended by something.

04:22:23.280 Wait, really quick, just as a clarification, because I don't know if it's even worth getting

04:22:26.420 into this, I might just move it on, but you're not anti-natalist, correct?

04:22:30.540 No.

04:22:31.080 No, it's just.

04:22:32.500 She's giving, she's giving an order of hierarchy, which makes sense.

04:22:36.020 She's saying husband, that's the, that's the.

04:22:39.780 If she's not God believing, I suppose.

04:22:41.500 So, so otherwise.

04:22:42.140 Yeah, so it goes, well, right, but wouldn't it, wouldn't it be God, right?

04:22:49.280 And then husband and children, that's the hierarchy.

04:22:51.740 Yeah.

04:22:52.100 Yeah, that makes sense.

04:22:53.360 Okay.

04:22:53.700 I'm going to come back to some of your other notes.

04:22:55.520 Courtney, I'm going to try to get some of the other panelists in.

04:22:59.040 Let's see.

04:22:59.960 We have Sav.

04:23:03.080 Your dating experience has been a roller coaster.

04:23:05.220 Last relationship ended in calling off an engagement.

04:23:09.900 You called it off or?

04:23:12.620 He called it off.

04:23:15.040 Okay.

04:23:15.360 He called it off.

04:23:16.100 You say your ex-fiancee proposed to you with a hat.

04:23:19.720 Yeah.

04:23:20.020 So we were at a music festival.

04:23:22.640 He went by captain.

04:23:23.960 I knew the proposal.

04:23:24.860 That hat?

04:23:25.960 No, it was a captain's hat because he went by captain.

04:23:28.880 And so as his way of proposing in his mind, oh, in his mind, presenting me a captain's hat saying,

04:23:37.800 you're my co-captain was his way of proposing.

04:23:41.560 I also had anticipated that there would be a ring.

04:23:45.180 I didn't know about the hat.

04:23:46.600 But yeah, we were at a music festival and he proposed with a hat.

04:23:50.880 And then he took it back two days later at the festival after sleep deprivation and party favors and seeing me interact with my best friend too affectionately.

04:24:02.620 I don't know.

04:24:03.160 I was excited.

04:24:04.700 Was your best friend a man?

04:24:05.920 Yeah.

04:24:06.140 He flew across the country to be there to support.

04:24:08.560 And I was.

04:24:09.460 So your best friend happened to be a man.

04:24:12.140 Yeah.

04:24:12.440 And he was jealous of him.

04:24:13.720 Yeah.

04:24:13.900 You were affectionate after he proposed to you.

04:24:15.860 So he pulled the proposal.

04:24:17.400 Well, he decided that I was a witch who had manipulated him into proposing to me with my seductive power.

04:24:25.420 And he no longer agreed to wanting to be me.

04:24:28.020 Are you a witch?

04:24:29.260 Well, no.

04:24:29.880 Hang on.

04:24:30.920 We have a duck.

04:24:31.600 I have some questions.

04:24:34.440 So maybe that's the post hoc justification.

04:24:37.380 By the way, are you into witchcraft?

04:24:39.180 No, I don't practice.

04:24:40.440 I mean, I have like my own rituals that I do.

04:24:44.240 So that sounds like practicing.

04:24:46.280 I guess.

04:24:47.700 I mean, usually if I do ritual things, I'm practicing them, right?

04:24:51.800 I mean, just practicing like scripting things and writing things that I want to achieve almost as a manifestation.

04:24:59.680 Yeah, like affirmations and manifestation and choosing times that are like under a full moon.

04:25:06.340 I'll release things that are, I guess it's witchy.

04:25:09.500 A little bit.

04:25:10.460 You're trying to manifest things under a full moon.

04:25:12.500 It's a little bit witchy.

04:25:13.140 But here's the thing.

04:25:14.240 It's like, okay, so you are indeed a witch.

04:25:16.980 Okay.

04:25:17.780 And out flies your supportive bestest buddy who happens to have a penis.

04:25:24.820 Yeah.

04:25:25.320 After this guy proposed to you.

04:25:28.000 And he thought you were a little too affectionate with him.

04:25:31.460 And was he right?

04:25:32.460 Were you too affectionate with him?

04:25:33.880 I mean, I was hugging him and spending time with him, catching up.

04:25:37.280 But I don't know if I'm...

04:25:40.020 In Mortal Kombat, that was called a brutality.

04:25:42.440 To his perspective and to his friend's perspective, I guess that I was...

04:25:47.160 His friend?

04:25:47.800 His friend thought you were a little too...

04:25:49.520 I guess there were conversations being had about my friend being there, having problems with

04:25:54.460 my friend being there, having problems with me being so close and affectionate and wanting

04:25:59.380 to spend time with him.

04:26:00.860 Now, let me ask the ultimate question.

04:26:02.840 The truth now.

04:26:03.800 Yeah.

04:26:04.540 This best friend that you flew out, have you ever slept with him before?

04:26:07.960 No, absolutely not.

04:26:09.020 From the beginning of our relationship, we established that we wanted to just be friends.

04:26:12.980 Made out with him?

04:26:13.980 No.

04:26:14.620 Nothing?

04:26:15.220 No.

04:26:16.980 Are you still friends with him?

04:26:18.300 Yeah.

04:26:20.300 Okay.

04:26:22.040 All right.

04:26:23.340 Is there...

04:26:23.940 You said that your dating experience has been a rollercoaster.

04:26:26.440 I mean, no offense.

04:26:28.060 I mean, this seems like pretty milquetoast.

04:26:30.800 Like, okay, proposed, but there was like jealousy.

04:26:35.580 When you say rollercoaster, like what is the number one example you could provide like of

04:26:43.000 the craziest rollercoaster?

04:26:46.140 I don't know.

04:26:46.660 I dated somebody who was like, I'm not sure what he was diagnosed with because he tried

04:26:52.340 to deny all of his diagnoses, but it was very toxic and he was threatening to take his

04:26:59.020 own life in front of me and just various things to try to manipulate me into, I don't

04:27:05.360 even know, whatever position or thing he decided for the day.

04:27:09.000 Toxic abuse have got it.

04:27:10.380 Moving to Willow, you've said you've been with some alcoholics.

04:27:14.460 One of your exes used to pee on the bathroom floor.

04:27:18.480 Yeah.

04:27:18.740 That was like one of his most common things when he would blackout drink.

04:27:22.280 I would like know to check the bathroom outside the door and if the light was off and he was

04:27:26.840 in there for too long, there was more than likely going to be urine on the floor.

04:27:30.200 Okay.

04:27:30.380 So you wrote something about mama's credit card boy.

04:27:33.660 What?

04:27:34.680 Mama's credit card boy?

04:27:36.040 Yeah.

04:27:36.380 I dated like my one rich guy in my life and he was just like absolutely horrendous.

04:27:40.740 Like he never trimmed his nails.

04:27:42.120 He never covered his food with tinfoil and put it in the fridge.

04:27:45.120 He was dirty.

04:27:45.620 He was mean.

04:27:46.520 He was just like very spoiled and like it was very predominant that like he knew that like

04:27:52.120 he had money and he could just go like get whatever he wanted and like his phone wasn't

04:27:56.400 loading fast enough, try to smash it or like throwing a vape across the room because it

04:28:00.320 wasn't working and just very like.

04:28:02.080 Gotcha.

04:28:02.560 Yeah.

04:28:02.860 Okay.

04:28:03.500 You will final note from you, Willow.

04:28:05.860 You said feminism and how being a feminist includes respecting men and truly acting as

04:28:11.620 if you respect women.

04:28:14.160 Yeah, I think like when it comes to feminism, it's about not just having a place for women.

04:28:18.820 It's also about having a place for like everyone as a whole.

04:28:21.900 And because like I'm a big fan of Roma's army and that's a big part of like what I watch

04:28:25.560 a lot and people that I engage with on social media.

04:28:28.220 It would have been nice if she had shown up for that debate.

04:28:30.100 I wish she was here today for that, but I do.

04:28:32.780 I, well, she's an anti, I'm an anti, technically an anti-feminist feminist.

04:28:36.160 I don't believe, I don't agree with how modern feminism is today.

04:28:39.240 I think that having a space for men's emotions, creating safe spaces for men to exist and to

04:28:45.040 also like be vulnerable and like, you know, just create safety and accept that like men

04:28:50.900 can be treated just as poorly as women can.

04:28:52.980 Women do use their places of like, like how we could hit a man and it can be a whole,

04:28:58.660 or they can hit us and they will go to jail, you know, and like you can turn around and

04:29:02.320 beat your husband for years.

04:29:03.500 And what is he, there's like a, you know, the P word and like nobody like ever tends to

04:29:07.640 believe them.

04:29:08.340 And I think like having spaces for men is just as important as spaces for women.

04:29:12.620 You guys are just as valuable.

04:29:14.120 So.

04:29:15.020 All right.

04:29:16.020 Here, we're going to do, before we get into some of the notes from some of the other panelists,

04:29:21.020 AsmongoldTV here, ask everyone to rate their own looks.

04:29:25.640 Is that actually AsmongoldTV?

04:29:27.200 Probably.

04:29:28.060 Yeah.

04:29:28.520 Probably.

04:29:29.380 Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to 10.

04:29:32.980 You can't pick seven.

04:29:35.060 Own looks, physical looks, scale of one to 10.

04:29:37.780 I'm curious, based on what?

04:29:39.120 Like societal beauty standards?

04:29:41.540 Whatever, whatever you want to use.

04:29:43.880 Well, I'm just curious because there's like no, there's no such thing as objective, right?

04:29:47.460 So like societal beauty standards are also like, I don't rate myself.

04:29:53.460 I mean, I'm like, I'm like comfortable with, okay, look, I'll say I'm comfortable with how

04:29:58.000 I look.

04:29:58.420 Obviously, societally, I'm not going to be like what the most people might find most conventionally

04:30:03.760 attractive.

04:30:04.120 And someone might rate me super low.

04:30:06.440 So somebody, if somebody said that you were a three, can you tell me, would you disagree

04:30:12.360 with them?

04:30:13.940 Well, they might truly, I might truly really not be their preference, right?

04:30:17.140 I know, I know, but would you disagree with them?

04:30:20.580 Well, I think I look better than they think I do.

04:30:22.520 Great.

04:30:22.900 Whatever that number is, give us that.

04:30:24.940 I just don't know how to quantify it.

04:30:25.080 Whatever that number, hang on, whatever that number is, hang on, hang on, whatever that

04:30:28.180 number is that you disagree with them and you think you are, then give us that one.

04:30:31.500 But I don't know what number I think I am.

04:30:32.800 Well, I mean, you disagreed with him if he said you were a three, so you know you're not

04:30:35.760 that number.

04:30:36.460 So whatever the number is that you think you're, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on,

04:30:41.180 whatever number you think you are that made you disagree with him when he said you were

04:30:45.920 a three, tell us what that is.

04:30:49.080 I mean, when I think about this number, it's like, like, it's always, like, this kind of

04:30:55.660 question is always based on societal beauty standards, because I can say I'm completely

04:30:59.300 comfortable with how I am.

04:31:00.420 Which, many of which are universal.

04:31:02.760 Right, but I thought we said there's no such thing as, like, objective or universal.

04:31:05.860 It's a beauty.

04:31:06.300 Wait, hold on.

04:31:07.120 Morality is different than you.

04:31:08.900 Okay, I mean, I can talk about universal, like, as in societal beauty standards.

04:31:11.300 Okay, but so beauty, it's not, it's not objective in, like, a strict philosophical.

04:31:15.600 Beauty is subjective.

04:31:16.560 Can you not interrupt?

04:31:19.100 Shut, oh my God.

04:31:20.740 Go on.

04:31:21.860 So it's not objective in a strict philosophical sense, but it's not purely subjective either.

04:31:29.800 It's not just in the eye of the boulder.

04:31:32.000 Mm-hmm.

04:31:33.340 So I think it's at least partially grounded in objective, measurable things.

04:31:39.940 Okay, so that's what I was saying earlier.

04:31:41.540 If I'm considering how, like, across society, how, like, people would rate me, like, I don't

04:31:46.520 know, maybe, like, a 6.5.

04:31:47.580 I don't know.

04:31:48.220 That's my guess.

04:31:50.220 Go closer.

04:31:50.780 I gave you a number.

04:31:51.380 But you can't pick seven, but you pick 6.5.

04:31:53.700 Well, it says not to pick seven.

04:31:54.140 So if you had to pick six, or you had to pick eight?

04:31:56.020 I'll pick a six purely because, I mean, I don't, I don't.

04:32:02.200 Okay.

04:32:02.820 Yeah.

04:32:03.460 Kate, what about you?

04:32:04.820 10.

04:32:05.600 Love it.

04:32:06.340 8.

04:32:07.340 Closer to the mics if you can, guys.

04:32:08.980 We heard it.

04:32:09.920 10.

04:32:11.000 10?

04:32:11.320 You don't think you're an 8?

04:32:12.740 No, no, no.

04:32:13.460 You're 10.

04:32:14.620 I really do think I'm an 8.

04:32:15.760 Like, we're just saying looks only, right?

04:32:17.480 Like, no other factors?

04:32:18.560 Yeah.

04:32:18.660 Yeah, I think it's fine.

04:32:19.280 What?

04:32:20.580 All right.

04:32:21.440 Wait, you think he's higher?

04:32:23.100 He's pretending to be humble for him.

04:32:24.760 You have to think for Asian guys.

04:32:25.800 I mean, I get it.

04:32:28.440 What?

04:32:30.040 Okay, Mr. Watch is sex in the city.

04:32:33.440 Hey, look, it's sad.

04:32:34.900 There's a lot of real, like, relatable, you know, stuff.

04:32:40.480 Just say R&D.

04:32:41.380 It was research.

04:32:43.360 But so, Andrew, that's kind of not mean to say, you know?

04:32:47.040 I'm not mean.

04:32:47.760 I'm not being mean.

04:32:48.860 He's being nice.

04:32:50.100 Yeah, what are you talking about?

04:32:50.840 Wait, you think he's higher than an 8 or lower?

04:32:53.860 You know, compared to, like, the norms of beauty?

04:32:57.640 No, of course not.

04:32:59.420 He's like, you know, fucking shitbag like you.

04:33:02.540 What are we all, fives?

04:33:03.820 No, I'm less than that.

04:33:04.660 I'm like 4 or 3.

04:33:07.120 Yeah.

04:33:07.640 All right.

04:33:08.260 Here, let's let everybody answer first, though, before we get into the...

04:33:12.300 10.

04:33:13.260 What?

04:33:14.040 Sorry, bud.

04:33:14.760 8.

04:33:15.640 8?

04:33:16.120 Okay.

04:33:16.900 I definitely don't fit into societal beauty standard norms, so I'm going to say 9.

04:33:24.080 I mean, I...

04:33:25.360 There was even a comment.

04:33:26.740 I would have said 11, but...

04:33:27.920 I think I'm beautiful.

04:33:31.260 I'm just saying that because what she's saying about, like, norms.

04:33:34.040 I'm not normal.

04:33:35.060 There's how comfortable you feel with yourself, and then there's, like, how other people are going to regard you.

04:33:38.780 There's a distinction there.

04:33:39.640 Right.

04:33:39.660 If we're considering how other people are going to regard me, I'm not normal looking, but I'm going to give myself a 9.

04:33:45.080 Is that confusing, Andrew?

04:33:46.060 What about, like, just facial attractiveness?

04:33:48.620 Like, so...

04:33:49.260 I think I'm pretty.

04:33:49.800 You're talking about, like, because you do bodybuilding, right?

04:33:51.980 Right.

04:33:52.260 But that really doesn't change, like, face much.

04:33:55.160 I'll give my face a 10.

04:33:56.240 Okay.

04:33:56.640 What about you?

04:33:57.620 I would say a 9.

04:34:00.500 Okay.

04:34:01.400 What about you?

04:34:02.660 1.

04:34:03.720 Oh, come on.

04:34:04.580 Really?

04:34:05.800 I just reject societal beauty standards.

04:34:09.200 All right.

04:34:09.860 I'm going to go have a cigarette.

04:34:11.260 This is the most ridiculous numbers I've ever heard.

04:34:13.020 This is actually really pretty bad.

04:34:14.440 Andrew, can I join you?

04:34:15.340 This is the worst.

04:34:16.360 The worst I've ever seen.

04:34:18.220 The worst.

04:34:19.860 Why would I not be able to say I think I'm a 9?

04:34:22.580 Because you're not.

04:34:23.800 Fuck, it's not even in any fucking conceivable universe in anywhere that there's alien life.

04:34:30.440 I agree.

04:34:31.640 She's 9.

04:34:32.300 It's not even possible.

04:34:33.760 How would you ever rate yourself as a 9?

04:34:35.640 Is this the most beautiful fucking women on planet Earth or a 9?

04:34:38.780 Where do these fucking delusional shit come?

04:34:41.260 I've got to have a smoke.

04:34:42.140 All right.

04:34:42.460 I don't understand why I'm not allowed to believe something that I see.

04:34:46.320 You can believe in all kinds of shit that ain't true.

04:34:47.580 People do it all the time.

04:34:48.860 Okay.

04:34:49.100 But I confidently see something in myself.

04:34:51.040 Is the question how I am viewed by society or how I view myself?

04:34:55.360 Because I've interpreted it.

04:34:56.020 Shouldn't that be somewhat grounded in, yes, how, like, so beauty would be something to some degree external to you.

04:35:04.660 Like your physical appearance, absent mirrors and smartphones, that is something interpreted by externalities, other people.

04:35:15.200 Okay.

04:35:16.440 So, here, maybe we can ask a different question then.

04:35:18.400 So, okay, you think this.

04:35:20.820 You think you're a 9.

04:35:22.060 Going around the table, whatever your rating is, what do you think if you're in a room with a cross-section of 100,000 men, what do you think they would rate you on average?

04:35:35.760 I guess starting with you.

04:35:38.280 And then we'll go that way.

04:35:40.120 Me?

04:35:40.580 No, you.

04:35:41.180 Me?

04:35:41.500 Yes, you.

04:35:42.100 Oh, my God.

04:35:44.060 Okay.

04:35:47.360 Okay.

04:35:47.900 So, the question is, is cross-section 100,000 men.

04:35:51.300 The average rating of, oh, my God.

04:35:53.340 Oh, man.

04:35:54.040 The average rating that they would rate me.

04:35:56.000 Okay.

04:35:56.760 Yes.

04:35:57.260 Do you want to repeat it one more time?

04:35:58.980 No.

04:35:59.580 Not particularly.

04:36:00.080 Do you want to answer the question, please?

04:36:02.080 A 1.

04:36:05.340 At that rate, I would say.

04:36:06.640 That's just a troll answer.

04:36:07.660 Okay.

04:36:07.840 What about you?

04:36:08.400 I would say a 6.

04:36:10.960 A 6.

04:36:11.600 Okay.

04:36:11.920 What about you?

04:36:13.340 Into the mic, please.

04:36:14.900 9.

04:36:16.340 9.

04:36:16.780 Okay.

04:36:18.040 I'd still think I'm an 8.

04:36:21.460 Well, that doesn't really answer the question.

04:36:23.000 You would still think you're an 8.

04:36:24.260 Like, based on what?

04:36:25.140 They would rate you an 8?

04:36:26.660 I think so, yeah.

04:36:27.860 They would rate you a 3, but you would still think you're an 8.

04:36:30.400 No, I would still think they would rate me an 8.

04:36:32.360 I've, like, have lost a ton of weight.

04:36:34.500 I do, like, even though I'm a little more baggy, I actually have a pretty general preferred body type.

04:36:39.100 I do have plenty of men who come up to me in places and find me attractive and message me, and I have followings on social media, and I don't understand why.

04:36:46.980 Like, just because I'm covered up.

04:36:48.180 Like, I have a very preferred curvy body type.

04:36:50.500 My personality is enjoyable, even though I haven't gotten to show that in almost 6 hours on this podcast.

04:36:55.320 But I'm a pretty cool person, so, like, looks-wise, personality-wise, like, education-wise, background-wise, yeah, I would be an 8, but I'm not Angelina Jolie.

04:37:04.060 But it's about looks.

04:37:05.020 It's about looks, so why would your personality and your education matter?

04:37:08.380 I'm just adding that in, and I am still on the point, yeah, I would think I would be an 8 in most men's eyes.

04:37:13.880 If they were, like, 100 men rated me, yeah, I would.

04:37:16.500 Can we, you mentioned, like, related to looks, you have a more curvy body.

04:37:21.800 Can we break down the looks rating, your own looks rating face and then body?

04:37:27.280 Yeah, I do have a nice, I mean, I don't think my face is pretty terrible.

04:37:30.840 Like, I have a pretty nice face.

04:37:32.420 I've always, if anything, had a nice face going for me more than anything else, so I don't understand.

04:37:37.500 Like, if you're not attracted to my face, that's fine.

04:37:40.180 But it tends to be actually that or, like, my breasts or my waistline tends to be what men, most men prefer about me is my face or, like, my body type.

04:37:50.840 Okay, so if you had to rate your face and rate your body separately, what would you, what would the rating be?

04:37:56.240 I wouldn't rate them differently.

04:37:57.840 Well, you said your looks are 8, so is the face 8, body 8?

04:38:01.620 I would still, yeah, they're both 8s, yeah.

04:38:04.160 But is it, like, body 9, face 7, or both 8?

04:38:08.400 Both 8.

04:38:10.280 Both 8, okay.

04:38:11.500 What about you, Lola?

04:38:12.820 10.

04:38:13.140 So, 100,000 men are in a room.

04:38:19.780 You think the average rating you'll get is a 10?

04:38:23.800 I'm going to be, you're going to hate my answer.

04:38:26.760 Okay.

04:38:27.100 I truly do think that I have a very warped perception of how I look.

04:38:31.920 I don't think that I really have any grasp of how other people view me.

04:38:35.940 And I personally don't have any interest in knowing.

04:38:39.800 So, when I say 10, that is because I think that any number could be equally as likely.

04:38:44.120 I wouldn't be surprised if they all said 1.

04:38:45.820 I also wouldn't be surprised if they all said 10.

04:38:47.860 I truly have very little idea of how I'm perceived.

04:38:51.080 And I'm perfectly okay with that.

04:38:53.160 So, if I'm going to take a shot in the dark, I'm going to, I'm going to guess the one that I do personally believe myself to be, even if I don't know other people's perspectives.

04:39:04.280 So, you couldn't, like, you, you think 1 would be just as likely as 5?

04:39:13.780 If we're talking, like, statistically, I guess 5 is the most, like, likely because it'll average out to it.

04:39:19.400 I don't know.

04:39:19.780 Well, so you can't, it sounds like you can make a determination.

04:39:25.640 Because you said, well, it could be 10, it could be 1.

04:39:27.700 I wouldn't be surprised if every person in that room said 10.

04:39:30.300 I wouldn't be surprised if every person in that room said 1.

04:39:32.540 How?

04:39:33.080 Wait, that doesn't even make sense.

04:39:34.280 I think that my beauty standards are wildly different than everyone else I interact with.

04:39:38.600 What are your beauty standards?

04:39:40.640 You're going to hate it.

04:39:41.780 Okay, go ahead.

04:39:42.720 I think that there are very few features that I would ever look at and find unattractive.

04:39:49.440 I think it's more based on facial balance.

04:39:51.760 I think that people can have features that don't work well together, but I don't think that there's any inherent feature that makes someone uglier.

04:39:57.160 It just is, if it doesn't work with their other features.

04:39:59.540 If they're fat.

04:40:00.960 That, I don't think that, I don't think that it's wrong if that affects other people's beauty standards.

04:40:05.260 For me, I personally don't find it unattractive.

04:40:07.380 Yeah, how many fat people you've been with?

04:40:08.780 Like morbidly obese.

04:40:11.460 The truth.

04:40:12.320 The amount of morbidly obese people I've ever known in my life are maybe two, and they are far out of my age range to date.

04:40:20.340 You've never met anybody who's fat in your own age range?

04:40:22.860 Come on.

04:40:24.220 Genuinely, I do not.

04:40:25.420 I can't think of people who have ever been close in my life, but yeah.

04:40:30.260 Just like decoding all the bullshit is going to take forever.

04:40:33.640 It really, I mean, it really, Mr. E, I know you're listening.

04:40:36.420 Mr. Enigmatic, just do the raid.

04:40:38.780 Just do the raid over to whatever.

04:40:40.980 Go to sleep.

04:40:42.060 We have a debate tomorrow.

04:40:43.500 Just do the fucking raid.

04:40:44.980 I already know, you poor guy.

04:40:46.600 Just go to sleep.

04:40:47.900 Just go to sleep.

04:40:50.240 Okay.

04:40:51.480 What about you?

04:40:52.300 100,000 women, what do you think they rate you?

04:40:54.660 In the West, probably a six.

04:40:55.940 I'd go down.

04:40:56.500 What about in?

04:40:58.920 I think Asia's a strong eight.

04:41:00.400 But are you Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese?

04:41:02.160 Oh, I'm Taiwanese.

04:41:03.240 Taiwanese, okay.

04:41:04.400 See, that makes more sense.

04:41:05.360 That's more reasonable.

04:41:06.400 That's rational.

04:41:07.100 Okay.

04:41:07.120 Well, Kate?

04:41:08.600 I would say if it's compared to other influencers, probably like an eight, maybe a seven even.

04:41:14.660 But if you compared me to just 100 average women in a Texan Walmart, 11.

04:41:19.440 Okay.

04:41:20.280 Yeah.

04:41:20.520 The thing is, though, is that like it's hard to beat you up on a beauty standard because you're one of the most famous Twitch streamers, sex workers, whatever.

04:41:28.420 I'm sure it's like the value, the net worth from being attracted kind of justifies.

04:41:33.060 It's very difficult to be like, oh, 30 million fucking dollars worth of men seem to uphold that as a beauty standard.

04:41:40.460 So it's really hard to disagree with that.

04:41:42.220 But, I mean, man.

04:41:44.060 Yeah.

04:41:45.480 Some of these answers were really fucking bad.

04:41:48.320 What about you?

04:41:48.700 I think 100 men would rate me like either a six or a seven, and I'll say six.

04:41:58.520 Wow.

04:41:59.240 I'm, okay.

04:42:01.900 There are some little high estimates, I think.

04:42:06.840 I guess my question, why don't average-looking women just say they're average-looking?

04:42:16.620 I'm average.

04:42:17.140 You know, they say, you're an average-looking woman.

04:42:19.420 I'm average.

04:42:20.880 Why can't women say that?

04:42:22.980 I think they perceive their value too much from society as being attractive.

04:42:26.960 One, and the other one is nowadays, but especially with social media, they are gaslit to believe they're more attractive than they are by desperate coomers in their comments and DMs.

04:42:35.380 Sure, and, you know, there's this...

04:42:37.720 Doing it ain't easy.

04:42:39.460 There's this concept of Dunning-Kruger, and typically it applies more so to people's self-assessment of their own intelligence.

04:42:46.980 So people typically, as you tend to get a bit more stupider...

04:42:52.740 Stupider.

04:42:53.400 Stupider.

04:42:54.000 As you get stupider...

04:42:55.300 Girls go to Jupiter.

04:42:56.680 Jupiter.

04:42:58.620 You tend to start to overestimate your own intelligence.

04:43:01.940 And I actually think this is somewhat related also to attractiveness.

04:43:05.880 I think people have a tendency to overestimate their own attractiveness in the same sort of way that the sort of cognitive bias that is observed with the Dunning-Kruger effect as it relates to intelligence.

04:43:18.300 But I guess to the 10, the 8, the 9, the 9...

04:43:28.800 Well, you gave a troll answer.

04:43:31.340 What if we, instead of using a number, if we could use an adjective, do you think you are beautiful?

04:43:43.160 Yes.

04:43:43.680 Do you think you are beautiful?

04:43:45.880 Absolutely.

04:43:46.700 Do you think you're beautiful?

04:43:47.700 Yes.

04:43:48.760 Absolutely.

04:43:49.380 Okay.

04:43:49.700 Are you gorgeous?

04:43:51.700 Yes.

04:43:52.940 Yes.

04:43:54.020 Yes.

04:43:54.720 Yeah.

04:43:55.120 Are you stunning?

04:43:56.600 Yeah.

04:43:57.200 Okay.

04:43:57.960 Yes.

04:43:58.860 Yes.

04:43:59.640 Not every day.

04:44:01.260 Okay.

04:44:01.780 Sure.

04:44:02.680 Okay.

04:44:03.180 And I have one more.

04:44:04.380 Are you coping?

04:44:05.320 I don't care if I'm pretty.

04:44:09.120 No.

04:44:09.300 The answer.

04:44:10.100 Are you coping?

04:44:10.960 No.

04:44:11.360 There's nothing to cope with.

04:44:12.140 Okay.

04:44:12.160 Are you coping?

04:44:13.040 Can you, like, elaborate what you mean by that?

04:44:14.960 You don't know what coping is?

04:44:16.020 Well, like, I know what coping mechanisms are.

04:44:17.780 I just don't know what you mean by, like, that in comparison to this statement is all.

04:44:21.460 Oh.

04:44:22.100 Well, I mean, that sounds like cope.

04:44:23.380 Are you coping?

04:44:24.840 I don't think so.

04:44:26.280 Are you coping?

04:44:27.180 I don't think so.

04:44:28.380 Okay.

04:44:29.520 I have a different metric.

04:44:31.620 I was thinking about this the entire plane ride down.

04:44:34.160 Like, how can I rephrase this question?

04:44:37.020 And I think I have the best fucking way to phrase this.

04:44:40.220 So, I'm going to try it this way.

04:44:42.600 So, have you ever heard the, like, wouldn't look twice at her?

04:44:45.300 Who's ever heard that?

04:44:47.160 Anybody?

04:44:47.500 Okay.

04:44:47.900 Yeah, yeah.

04:44:48.820 So, I say if a guy would look twice, you're a two.

04:44:51.920 So, every time he would look, right, that ups your score.

04:44:55.920 Right?

04:44:56.800 So, that's what I think.

04:44:58.140 So, based on that, how many times, if a guy was passing by, would he look, look, look, look?

04:45:03.740 That's not fair, because how many times does Gorlock get re-looked at, you know?

04:45:07.640 Is that why she's a ten?

04:45:08.840 Well, hang on, hang on.

04:45:09.520 I think that people purposely try to look away from Gorlock.

04:45:13.620 That's what I think.

04:45:14.280 Like, wouldn't look twice literally as Gorlock.

04:45:17.800 You look, and they go, oh, my God.

04:45:19.280 And you don't ever want to look again.

04:45:20.940 So, that's my rebuttal.

04:45:22.280 So, based on one to ten, based on that criteria, what's your number?

04:45:28.640 I was just going to say, I don't look at someone I perceive a ten out of ten ten times.

04:45:31.680 Okay.

04:45:31.700 What's your number?

04:45:33.760 Higher than ten.

04:45:34.620 They won't stop looking sometimes.

04:45:37.060 Five, six.

04:45:38.360 Ten.

04:45:38.700 Women look at you six times?

04:45:40.500 They're like, well, Dave.

04:45:41.220 Well, it depends.

04:45:41.740 You're saying, like, that?

04:45:43.420 Yeah.

04:45:43.780 They have, like, a spasm in their neck.

04:45:44.720 That's beautiful, though.

04:45:45.920 That's what that looks like, where they're like, they just can't keep their eyes off you, right?

04:45:49.480 Okay, how about when I first met you?

04:45:52.940 Sure.

04:45:53.460 Okay.

04:45:53.860 What would you have rated yourself then?

04:45:55.780 Probably eight, nine.

04:45:57.020 Yeah.

04:45:57.300 Okay.

04:45:57.780 All right.

04:45:58.240 Yeah, I'm not saying they're spastic.

04:45:59.360 I'm just saying, like, they can't keep their eyes off.

04:46:01.080 They just keep looking, you know?

04:46:02.740 Like, all right.

04:46:03.800 Ten.

04:46:06.380 I'd still say, but I can't say seven, but I would probably pick that.

04:46:09.900 I'd drop it down.

04:46:10.520 But I would give myself about an eight still, just because, regardless of what you think,

04:46:14.320 in Chicago, I'm an attractive woman there, okay?

04:46:17.380 And it's not Chicago.

04:46:17.860 But it's not about, listen, listen.

04:46:19.640 Erroneous.

04:46:20.200 Nobody's saying any woman here is not attractive.

04:46:22.800 What?

04:46:23.040 That's not what's being stated.

04:46:24.320 Not at all.

04:46:24.740 I'm not saying, like, I've watched the show enough to know that, like, I would never say

04:46:28.340 I'm a ten because I'm not Angelina Jolie.

04:46:30.180 I'm not a Carrie Bradshaw from Sex and the City.

04:46:33.500 Well, she's not a ten, okay?

04:46:34.660 Let's not.

04:46:34.900 You know, but see, that's a subjective thing.

04:46:36.760 Because in my mind, I think Carrie Bradshaw is a fucking, excuse my language, a smoke

04:46:41.200 show.

04:46:41.620 I think she's a ten.

04:46:42.720 She's incredible looking.

04:46:44.480 In Sex and the City?

04:46:45.620 Yeah.

04:46:46.020 And I strive to have that kind of fashion.

04:46:48.160 Her curls?

04:46:49.360 Her curls?

04:46:50.240 I would kill to have curls like her.

04:46:51.780 She is gorgeous.

04:46:52.900 Do you agree with me that Sarah Jessica Parker's ugly as shit, though?

04:46:55.980 Because you're in Cali, and you have, like, all these gorgeous Cali women all the time.

04:46:58.000 Like, hey, would you agree with that Sarah Jessica Parker's fucking objectively ugly?

04:47:02.700 No, I think she's gorgeous.

04:47:04.260 She's not ugly, Andrew.

04:47:07.080 She's fucking ugly.

04:47:08.580 That chick is an Ugo.

04:47:10.520 No.

04:47:11.180 She was always an Ugo.

04:47:13.000 But she's, she's like a six.

04:47:16.800 No way.

04:47:18.060 Bro.

04:47:19.040 Carrie Bradshaw?

04:47:19.940 I'm being, what, I'm being nice.

04:47:21.400 Sarah, yeah, see, he looked up the image.

04:47:25.040 He knows.

04:47:25.520 Show the image of Sarah Jessica Parker.

04:47:27.600 Jesse raises a ten, so don't get that.

04:47:29.440 Oh, it's so bad.

04:47:31.100 Well, also, she's, like, in her fifties or some shit.

04:47:33.240 No, I mean, in her prime, she was Ugo.

04:47:36.880 No, she's not an ugly woman.

04:47:38.620 She was an ugly woman, bro.

04:47:39.380 She's not an ugly woman.

04:47:40.580 She's, like, average-ish looking.

04:47:43.180 She has the nose of the Wicked Witch of the West, bro.

04:47:46.240 Oh, Carrie Bradshaw?

04:47:47.620 Sarah Jessica Parker?

04:47:48.700 Yeah, the chick would suck all the oxygen out of the room by sitting in it.

04:47:52.160 It's so bad.

04:47:53.260 People pay to have a nose like that.

04:47:54.520 I don't know.

04:47:55.300 Maybe it's just that people find different things attractive.

04:47:58.420 Could that be it?

04:47:59.680 I don't know who we're talking about.

04:48:01.940 Who's this woman?

04:48:02.840 Don't worry about it.

04:48:03.600 Don't worry about it.

04:48:04.220 Oh.

04:48:05.660 I just, again, my question is, why can't just average-looking women just say that they're

04:48:10.880 average-looking?

04:48:11.740 Because average doesn't mean anything in this context.

04:48:13.860 Yes, it does.

04:48:14.580 No.

04:48:15.200 Yes, it does.

04:48:15.540 Okay, if you want to round up 100,000 men and have them rate us, then sure, we can find

04:48:19.400 an average.

04:48:19.980 But other than that, we're guessing.

04:48:21.480 If we actually did the experiment where we had 100 or 1,000 men in a room and they were

04:48:26.560 being reasonable with their rate, you know, they weren't being fucking dickheads giving

04:48:29.920 you a one or whatever, would you accept their, like, would you change your own rating?

04:48:35.520 Would you accept their rating of you?

04:48:37.180 Of my own perception of myself?

04:48:38.780 No.

04:48:39.040 But if you asked me the question, like, if 100,000 men were in a room and rated you and

04:48:43.340 then we actually did that, yeah, I would accept that as the answer to that question.

04:48:46.360 Would it influence your own self-perception?

04:48:48.360 No.

04:48:48.740 To have that many people arrive at an average?

04:48:51.960 No.

04:48:53.240 Okay.

04:48:53.760 All right.

04:48:55.580 That's interesting.

04:48:56.820 I'm just curious for, I guess, these fucking stunners right here.

04:49:01.180 These four.

04:49:02.700 Fuck.

04:49:03.260 I mean, these are-

04:49:05.920 Hold on.

04:49:06.200 Really quick.

04:49:06.880 Stunning.

04:49:07.580 Really quick.

04:49:08.380 Like, rate me.

04:49:10.340 And I won't be offended.

04:49:11.560 You can-

04:49:12.480 Just my looks, though.

04:49:13.620 Two.

04:49:13.720 Just my looks.

04:49:14.340 Rate me.

04:49:14.920 Two.

04:49:15.860 Six.

04:49:16.220 Not you, Andrew.

04:49:17.060 Six.

04:49:17.600 Okay.

04:49:18.560 Four.

04:49:19.060 Four.

04:49:19.720 I'd give you a six or seven.

04:49:20.820 Six or seven.

04:49:21.700 Six.

04:49:22.280 Six.

04:49:22.560 Six.

04:49:22.780 So just to be clear, y'all, I would, y'all would be settling for me.

04:49:28.320 Like, you would be doing me a- you would be doing me a favor.

04:49:32.260 Just to be clear.

04:49:33.120 You'd be doing me a favor.

04:49:35.340 Um, don't.

04:49:36.020 Like, I mean, on my level of, like, what I would find attractive.

04:49:38.360 And a man and rate you.

04:49:39.520 I still, like, for me personally, average is, like, five to eight.

04:49:42.600 Just because I gave myself an eight doesn't mean that I don't think that's, like, an average rating.

04:49:47.220 There's, like, you know, it's not, like, mid-range.

04:49:49.340 I don't think, like, I'm as beautiful as she is.

04:49:51.920 But also, I don't think her beauty takes, like, away from mine.

04:49:54.920 You know what I mean?

04:49:56.060 And for you, it's, like, you are still an attractive person.

04:49:58.660 And I wouldn't-

04:49:59.140 I understand.

04:49:59.820 I don't think you're, like-

04:50:01.020 But I would like to ask you a different-

04:50:02.460 You have your hair and shit.

04:50:03.320 You have a thick beard.

04:50:04.280 Like, most men don't even have hair.

04:50:05.800 Like, yeah, you're above average.

04:50:07.440 Can I ask you a question, though?

04:50:08.600 Yeah, of course.

04:50:09.060 Can you describe what an ugly woman looks like?

04:50:11.640 I don't really know how to describe that.

04:50:13.280 Because I don't believe there's things like that.

04:50:14.480 Could you describe what an ugly woman looks like?

04:50:17.340 Like, not off the top of my head?

04:50:19.280 Could you describe what an ugly woman looks like?

04:50:21.140 I could.

04:50:21.700 Go ahead.

04:50:22.060 Okay.

04:50:23.380 Well, someone mentioned, like-

04:50:25.000 Mark, mark, mark.

04:50:25.420 Someone mentioned, like, imbalanced features.

04:50:28.160 Like, that is, like, biologically, you know, unattractive to have very imbalanced features.

04:50:34.320 Probably, like, dull skin.

04:50:36.080 Looks like she doesn't take care of herself.

04:50:39.640 I think-

04:50:40.780 Fat?

04:50:41.760 I was just going to say obesity is unattractive.

04:50:44.040 For me, a big thing is, you mentioned this earlier,

04:50:49.000 where you can tell someone's, um, uh, things that they, like, care about, about themselves by-

04:50:56.100 Sorry.

04:50:57.340 By the way that they take care of themselves.

04:50:59.120 Hide it. Hide it. Hide it.

04:51:00.240 And they're-

04:51:01.040 Oh, my God. No, dude.

04:51:03.060 What are you doing?

04:51:05.380 Oh, no.

04:51:06.720 Holy fuck. What are you fucking doing?

04:51:08.800 I'm sorry. I messed this up.

04:51:12.080 Bro.

04:51:13.180 How do I get streamed back?

04:51:14.320 Streaming all the time.

04:51:17.360 Alright.

04:51:19.000 Oof.

04:51:22.540 So, back to this.

04:51:25.140 Back to this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:51:26.440 So-

04:51:26.920 I think imbalanced features and signs that someone doesn't take care of themselves from the inside.

04:51:32.360 Yeah.

04:51:33.400 Like, for instance, things going against me.

04:51:35.840 Old. Got a gut. Don't really work out too much.

04:51:38.600 I do now, but not as much as I should.

04:51:40.580 I smoke.

04:51:41.380 All those things would be signs of unattractiveness.

04:51:43.720 Makes sense, right?

04:51:45.500 I mean, I like nicotine, too. But yes.

04:51:47.440 Yes.

04:51:47.660 Yes. Yeah. Well, nicotine's different than smoking.

04:51:50.300 That's true.

04:51:50.740 I do smoke.

04:51:51.640 What's that?

04:51:52.140 I smoke a little bit.

04:51:52.720 You smoke, too. Okay, but-

04:51:54.400 I quit the vapes, but I smoke.

04:51:56.120 Yeah, but you get the point, right?

04:51:57.380 Like, it makes sense to me.

04:51:59.800 So, using those standards, are you able to apply those standards to the women who are sitting next to you and say that you disagree with their rating of themselves?

04:52:09.400 Yes.

04:52:10.100 Yes. And do you?

04:52:11.600 I'm not going to do it.

04:52:12.580 I know. I know. I'm not asking you to. I know that we're in the box of be nice.

04:52:16.080 And this is purely, like, without knowing personalities.

04:52:19.360 I get it. I'm not trying to get you in the box if you're mean. I'm not trying to. I'm just trying to demonstrate that, like, even amongst yourselves, you don't even agree with the ratings of the people who are saying the ratings.

04:52:30.400 Like, in your head, in your head, as the ratings are going on, just raise your hand. And if I'm full of it, go ahead. You don't have to raise your hand. But when a woman gave a rating, based on what they think society would rate her as, right, raise your hand if you disagreed with any of them.

04:52:48.400 Are you asking everyone?

04:52:49.480 Everyone.

04:52:52.740 Yeah. So, I mean, it makes me think that there might be a wee bit of delusion going on. That's all I'm saying.

04:53:00.680 That's all I'm saying.

04:53:01.860 My only disagreement was, though, just hers, because I don't think she's the one. I mean, it's, like, just feel like I just don't think she should be giving herself that.

04:53:09.360 Well, that's the distinction between humility.

04:53:11.440 That's, like, the only one. Other than that, I think everybody was really on point with how they're, I mean, I think she's Jessie Rae's twin. Like, and I think Jessie Rae's is gorgeous. She's a singer. And I think she literally looks exactly like she could be Jessie Rae's twin. And she's, like, a really.

04:53:23.040 Can you tell me a famous person who's a 10? A famous woman who you think is a 10?

04:53:30.400 Into the mic, please.

04:53:31.740 I'm sorry. Give me. I'm really trying to recall names.

04:53:34.040 Can you tell me a famous person who you think is a 9? A woman.

04:53:38.220 Is Megan Fox a 9?

04:53:41.120 She's a 10.

04:53:41.900 Okay. So you're one point down from Megan Fox.

04:53:45.800 I've just been in enough experience that that's just been something that has been.

04:53:54.680 When you say men break their necks looking at you.

04:53:57.160 Like, the factor of how many times they look at you, that gives you your rating. I've been in experiences. I was just in a club the other night where we had to ask a guy to stop looking at me.

04:54:05.220 Yeah, we did.

04:54:05.800 And I'm sorry that you don't believe that that's my experience.

04:54:08.740 No, I think that muddied the water, Andrew.

04:54:11.460 Yeah, maybe.

04:54:12.060 Now she's going to use, oh, well, this one time some dude was a fucking major sin.

04:54:17.120 No, it's not one time. It's multiple times that I've experienced in my life.

04:54:19.900 You cannot conflate sexual attention. You cannot conflate intense sexual attention from, frankly, a small proportion of men and then map that on to what all men are going to put you in some category of being amongst, like, basically model tier level looks, super model tier level looks.

04:54:40.380 He's right. Like, dismiss what I asked, right? I always try different things. Like, I'm always trying different questions. I'm always trying different methods to try to, like, draw the truth out of people.

04:54:52.000 And it's just how my mind works, right? So, yeah, ignore the double take. I thought it was clever, but you're right. It did just muddy the water.

04:55:00.100 I guess, just because a guy, by the way, if a guy calls you beautiful or whatever, that doesn't mean, like, you're, in the same way that, like, if your mom.

04:55:11.660 Yeah, they want to fuck, right?

04:55:13.760 Like, your mom's like, oh, my God, you're so handsome. You're so beautiful. Like, that doesn't mean.

04:55:19.360 You say my mom fucking lies to me?

04:55:21.320 Yeah, yes. Yes.

04:55:23.760 It just fucking hurt my feelings, Brian.

04:55:27.260 She just told me I was handsome today.

04:55:28.540 I said, who's a good boy? He's a very handsome boy.

04:55:33.120 Is he lying?

04:55:34.640 Yes.

04:55:35.180 Yeah, fuck it.

04:55:35.720 Yeah, yeah.

04:55:37.740 But, again, can you think of a female celebrity who you think is a nine?

04:55:48.140 I'm just trying to think.

04:55:49.440 How about a male celebrity who's a nine?

04:55:53.680 Nine out of ten.

04:55:54.700 Nine out of ten.

04:55:55.540 Male celebrity.

04:55:56.300 Male celebrity.

04:55:57.040 I don't know.

04:55:58.320 I would say maybe, like, Glenn Powell.

04:56:00.960 Anybody else who?

04:56:03.000 Ryan Gosling.

04:56:04.580 I see.

04:56:05.380 Glenn Powell, Ryan Gosling.

04:56:06.780 Another nine.

04:56:08.360 You know what?

04:56:09.140 Ryan Gosling's perfect.

04:56:10.620 So, just to be clear, your self-assessment of your own physical attractiveness puts you on equivo.

04:56:16.240 Obviously, he's a male.

04:56:17.400 There's a difference.

04:56:18.140 But, Glenn.

04:56:19.820 Wait, Nick.

04:56:20.500 Google Glenn Powell.

04:56:21.500 Image search it, please.

04:56:22.540 Your league is Ryan Gosling and Glenn Powell.

04:56:30.360 You can just stare at me.

04:56:31.720 No, I mean.

04:56:32.380 That's your league?

04:56:33.180 I guess.

04:56:33.820 I've dated men that are as attractive as them.

04:56:36.320 But, when you say dated, what do you mean dated?

04:56:39.880 Like, a long-term relationship with a man that was as attractive as those men.

04:56:43.480 You dated men who were just as attractive as Ryan Gosling.

04:56:47.520 Yes, I have.

04:56:47.900 And Glenn Powell.

04:56:48.560 Nick, do you have a photo of Glenn Powell?

04:56:51.860 So, and also, like, the body, too?

04:56:53.860 Yes.

04:56:54.060 Like, that physically fit?

04:56:55.400 Yes.

04:56:55.520 Like, top 1% male?

04:56:56.720 Yes, I have dated men like that.

04:56:58.220 I don't.

04:56:58.460 I'm not trying to be rude.

04:56:59.800 Like, I'm, look, I'm just, I'm aware.

04:57:02.640 I'm overweight right now.

04:57:03.980 I'm chubby.

04:57:04.760 My dear, you're overweight.

04:57:06.660 I'm aware of that.

04:57:07.780 How could you be a 9?

04:57:09.100 Because I'm not always overweight.

04:57:10.880 Just because I'm.

04:57:11.380 You're currently overweight.

04:57:12.940 You said I'm currently a 9.

04:57:15.000 Okay.

04:57:16.220 Well, no, no, no.

04:57:17.200 I understand.

04:57:17.720 I understand.

04:57:18.140 But how are you a 9?

04:57:19.320 I understand.

04:57:19.920 Again, when I said after, that was my own belief in how I see myself whenever we went

04:57:26.920 to the point of, if it was 100,000 men voting me, I said a 6.

04:57:31.100 I'm sorry.

04:57:31.680 I also would like to jump in.

04:57:32.700 I want to say, and I, again, I don't know how to word these in ways that don't seem personal.

04:57:39.240 I would argue you're more attractive than Glenn Powell and less attractive than Ryan

04:57:42.920 Gosling, right?

04:57:45.220 Well, my point here.

04:57:46.440 She's more attractive?

04:57:47.260 Than Glenn Powell?

04:57:47.960 Yes.

04:57:48.520 Genuinely, 100%.

04:57:49.480 I pinky promise you.

04:57:50.980 Now, what I'm saying here is I wouldn't rate, I would rate both of them at other numbers

04:57:56.240 than nines, right?

04:57:57.400 And that's not relevant to the conversation.

04:57:59.240 But she rated them both at nine.

04:58:01.960 All of our standards are different.

04:58:03.420 We're all looking at the same pictures and seeing different things.

04:58:07.020 Like, I personally don't think that Glenn Powell's body is the most attractive body

04:58:11.700 a guy can have.

04:58:12.040 Give me the nine.

04:58:13.140 I didn't say it was the most attractive.

04:58:14.280 I'll tell you what.

04:58:15.040 I'll just grant this for a second.

04:58:16.320 Who's the nine for you?

04:58:18.580 Of men?

04:58:19.420 Mm-hmm.

04:58:20.220 That we can pull up.

04:58:21.180 On it, I do think that Ryan Gosling does land at a nine, most likely.

04:58:23.660 Okay, what about Glenn Powell?

04:58:25.080 Glenn Powell, I would say probably around a six.

04:58:27.000 Okay, now give us a new name that's not either of them, that you would rate a nine.

04:58:32.140 That I would rate a nine?

04:58:33.200 Could be a singer, could be whoever.

04:58:35.440 Harry Styles, I guess.

04:58:37.760 Harry Styles.

04:58:38.900 I find him to be very attractive.

04:58:40.500 Glenn Powell.

04:58:41.020 I just, this has been an argument with my friends for a long time.

04:58:45.080 I think Glenn Powell is not very attractive.

04:58:47.720 Wait, like, I can say that he's, like, societally very attractive, but he's, like, not attractive

04:58:51.940 to me.

04:58:52.420 And, like, the celebrity I would think of would probably not be attractive to other people,

04:58:55.800 like, my ideal.

04:58:57.060 Yeah.

04:58:57.260 Okay, who's that?

04:58:58.180 Manny Montana.

04:58:59.760 Who's that?

04:59:00.860 Well, you can't see him right now, but, like, he's probably not, everyone's ten.

04:59:04.740 This is just, like, I do genuinely, wholeheartedly believe she is out of Glenn Powell's league.

04:59:11.640 Makes sense.

04:59:12.460 She would be said, like, for Glenn Powell.

04:59:15.600 I don't, well, looks-wise, yes.

04:59:19.980 So, what about body?

04:59:22.380 Just strictly body.

04:59:23.940 So, okay, maybe you're doing a face assessment.

04:59:26.900 So, again, I'm not trying to be insulted.

04:59:30.380 Like, I'm fucking overweight.

04:59:31.520 I'm a fatty.

04:59:32.080 I get it.

04:59:33.860 She's overweight.

04:59:34.960 At least in the photos that we saw of Glenn Powell, the guy's, like, top 1% in terms

04:59:39.660 of body.

04:59:40.380 I personally don't find his body type very physically attractive, but that's just a me

04:59:44.300 thing.

04:59:45.140 He's physically fit.

04:59:46.560 Yeah, I think that being fit is a good thing.

04:59:48.400 Yeah, but I don't think that that...

04:59:50.160 What constitutes male attractiveness as it relates to body?

04:59:54.560 Well, can you pull up the pictures again, and I can really reevaluate, because I think

04:59:58.320 too much muscle definition isn't really my thing, personally.

05:00:00.720 He's not a bodybuilder.

05:00:02.220 Maybe I didn't take a very good look at it.

05:00:05.460 I don't look up photos of him on my spare time.

05:00:07.860 You pulled it up.

05:00:08.320 There was a shirtless picture of him chiseled as fuck.

05:00:10.680 What constitutes, like, a attractive male body to you?

05:00:15.200 Like, more towards fat versus fit?

05:00:18.200 I tend to lean toward leaner.

05:00:20.220 I do...

05:00:20.860 I find muscle attractive.

05:00:22.200 I think too much muscle is unattractive.

05:00:24.160 I think that...

05:00:25.200 These are all Glenn Powell features.

05:00:28.260 Can you...

05:00:28.760 I'm sorry.

05:00:29.260 I would love for you to pull him back up.

05:00:30.380 I got a tiny glimpse at the shirtless photo of him.

05:00:33.180 You know what's actually interesting?

05:00:34.540 When we make this discussion about body, you know, we're talking objective-subjective

05:00:39.040 or universal.

05:00:40.600 You know, there's really compelling arguments as to the subjectivity of, like, facial attractiveness.

05:00:45.760 That's much more nuanced, and there's much more cultural differences.

05:00:49.320 However, when it comes to assessments, at least of male, peak physical attractiveness as assessed

05:00:57.560 by women, and again, look, I don't...

05:00:59.740 I actually think women prefer the, like, super bodybuilder, like, maybe for fitness girls,

05:01:07.400 they like the, like, full-on, super gigantic bodybuilder types.

05:01:11.840 Not all of them.

05:01:12.920 Not all of them.

05:01:13.900 Not all of them.

05:01:14.460 I think there's, like, very clear universality.

05:01:19.500 Women will continually move towards physical fitness as it relates to body attractiveness.

05:01:28.180 So this doesn't mean, like, super giant, but if he's got some degree of muscle definition

05:01:34.080 in fitness, that's...

05:01:35.920 I think it tells you about abilities and, like, where your discipline lies.

05:01:42.900 Like, it tells you more about their mind when you can see how someone takes care of themselves.

05:01:47.880 I would argue in extreme cases it does.

05:01:50.520 Like, if someone, you know, who looks like you, I can make assumptions about your lifestyle, right?

05:01:55.180 But I do definitely think that people can have very similar lifestyles and still look relatively different.

05:02:01.500 Again, the extremes obviously do show things about your life.

05:02:04.080 They're not really going to be looking relatively different if one's in the gym every two days

05:02:08.420 and the other one's not.

05:02:09.640 Yeah, that's the extreme.

05:02:10.620 Oh, I'm sorry.

05:02:10.880 That's not the extreme.

05:02:11.740 I do think the extreme...

05:02:12.960 We're talking about people who just have, like, they're basically taking care of themselves

05:02:18.200 and then those who aren't.

05:02:19.840 And it is the case that you can have what's called skinny fat.

05:02:22.340 We all know exactly what fucking skinny fat is, okay?

05:02:25.100 There's no muscle tone.

05:02:26.260 There's no nothing, right?

05:02:27.580 They're skinny, but, you know, it's squishy.

05:02:30.720 And so the thing is, it's like, it is the case, objectively.

05:02:34.380 If you have women rate men, right, especially on body type, they all...

05:02:39.020 Brian's absolutely right about this.

05:02:40.700 And there's actual data on this from dating apps.

05:02:44.820 If the man is moved towards the lean side, not necessarily the bodybuilder.

05:02:49.420 He's right about that, too.

05:02:50.300 They don't have to be huge.

05:02:51.420 But if they move towards the lean side, especially if they have a flat stomach and they have good

05:02:56.140 muscle tone, there's almost universal agreement.

05:02:58.800 Then that's better than dad bod.

05:03:03.440 Sure.

05:03:04.260 Yeah.

05:03:04.720 I mean, like, there are general preferences.

05:03:06.200 I didn't argue that.

05:03:07.620 But, I mean...

05:03:08.900 Okay.

05:03:09.360 I have a question for you.

05:03:10.360 Yeah.

05:03:10.420 In a very genuine sense.

05:03:11.580 Do you think that you could take a good guess at how often I am in the gym?

05:03:14.240 And I promise you I won't be offended.

05:03:16.460 Um, not that often.

05:03:19.200 At least not if you're doing strength training.

05:03:21.200 Not that often.

05:03:22.400 Not if I'm doing strength training?

05:03:23.760 Yeah.

05:03:24.060 Do you mean if my goal is to gain muscle, I'm not in the gym very often?

05:03:27.780 Yeah.

05:03:28.480 Okay.

05:03:29.100 Um, would you like to know if you're right?

05:03:31.340 Yeah.

05:03:31.540 Uh, I wouldn't say so.

05:03:34.580 I...

05:03:34.900 Well, you wouldn't say so to any truth, though.

05:03:37.400 By when you say I wouldn't say so, can I just ask you this?

05:03:40.420 Yes.

05:03:40.820 How many fucking times are you in the gym doing strength training?

05:03:43.720 Doing strength training?

05:03:44.600 Yeah.

05:03:44.740 As of the last two weeks, not so much.

05:03:45.960 I've been working 40 hours a week.

05:03:47.900 Yeah.

05:03:48.000 That's not me.

05:03:48.460 However...

05:03:48.940 So you could have just said, Andrew, you're right.

05:03:50.360 No, no, no.

05:03:50.720 But I am going to argue...

05:03:51.540 I am going to argue...

05:03:52.180 Andrew, you're right, but you couldn't do it.

05:03:54.340 I am going to argue with you that in the past two weeks, my body has not changed significantly.

05:03:58.100 That's true.

05:03:58.620 The time in which...

05:03:59.140 Which makes me think before those two weeks...

05:04:00.940 I would love to finish what I was saying.

05:04:02.400 You also didn't.

05:04:02.620 It would be really great if you wouldn't mind.

05:04:04.540 Yeah, I know, but I need some concessions, though.

05:04:06.300 Okay, so here's the conversation we're going to have.

05:04:07.940 Okay.

05:04:08.100 Over the summer, for three...

05:04:08.540 I can't wait to hear the conversation we're going to have.

05:04:10.860 For three months consecutively, I was in the gym at least every other day.

05:04:15.180 Uh-huh.

05:04:16.680 Genuinely without any faults.

05:04:18.780 I looked the exact same as I do now.

05:04:20.460 What does that mean?

05:04:21.160 Doing what?

05:04:21.720 Doesn't mean anything.

05:04:22.900 Were you doing strength training?

05:04:24.500 Do we want to talk about my push days, my pull days, my leg days, or my cardio days?

05:04:29.020 Which one?

05:04:29.480 Let's talk about your strength days.

05:04:31.440 Which is three of the four categories I just listed.

05:04:33.960 Yeah, and how often were you in there doing strength training?

05:04:36.980 Three days out of a week.

05:04:38.180 And what did that look like?

05:04:40.020 I mean, my leg days, I was doing the leg presses.

05:04:44.220 I don't know the names of the machine, but I can describe them to you.

05:04:46.460 You don't know the names?

05:04:47.500 No.

05:04:47.780 Can you take your gym life real serious?

05:04:49.240 You're wearing cargo pants, and we've seen the upper half of your body.

05:04:52.840 Yes.

05:04:53.040 Asking the question of Andrew, do you think I work out?

05:04:56.220 First off, women don't put on upper body musculature.

05:05:00.100 That's my point.

05:05:00.720 You can't tell.

05:05:01.940 Yeah, but men don't give a fuck about your arm.

05:05:04.100 No, I'm not claiming that it looks better or worse.

05:05:06.760 I'm claiming that it's not representative of lifestyle.

05:05:08.840 I feel like I can tell.

05:05:10.520 Actually, I do feel like I can kind of tell if a woman is doing strength training or not by definition.

05:05:17.520 And yeah, I don't think you are.

05:05:19.240 Or if you are, you're not doing much.

05:05:20.640 During the times in my life when I was doing significantly more strength training than I am now, and I'm not saying that I was ever buff.

05:05:25.940 I wasn't.

05:05:26.880 I'm not even talking about buff.

05:05:28.060 I'm talking about shape.

05:05:28.940 There's body shapes.

05:05:29.800 What I'm trying to tell you is there were times in my life that I genuinely was significantly more active than I am now.

05:05:34.640 I was genuinely strength training.

05:05:36.500 I was dieted.

05:05:37.500 I was paying attention to protein.

05:05:39.200 Who does that?

05:05:39.960 Anyways.

05:05:40.340 Don't map me.

05:05:41.240 But I looked the same as I do now.

05:05:43.640 Don't map on men's – you're doing this thing that's really common.

05:05:49.000 What thing am I doing?

05:05:49.800 Men think about the things that they're attracted to in men, and then they map that on to what they think men are attracted to.

05:05:57.960 So you're saying, well, I'm in the gym, and I'm doing push and pull, and I'm working your upper body.

05:06:03.180 Men don't give a fuck about like your upper body muscle definition.

05:06:06.960 I don't care.

05:06:07.340 It's not an attraction trigger for men.

05:06:09.200 I don't care.

05:06:09.660 You're talking about looks.

05:06:11.040 No, the argument was whether or not looks are representative of lifestyle.

05:06:14.280 I'm not arguing whether or not it's attractive.

05:06:15.740 I think they are.

05:06:16.340 I don't care about that.

05:06:16.860 Hang on.

05:06:17.560 If they're not, then what is your first assumption when you see someone who's fat?

05:06:21.880 Genuinely, unless it is an extreme length, I do not make assumptions.

05:06:26.020 I have no –

05:06:26.860 I don't mean fat.

05:06:27.560 I don't mean you've got a gut.

05:06:28.800 I mean you're fat.

05:06:30.160 If it is to an extreme length, yeah, you can make the assumption that they –

05:06:32.600 I'm not even meaning an extreme length.

05:06:33.380 They're like 40 pounds overweight, 30 pounds overweight.

05:06:35.880 They're not 100 pounds overweight.

05:06:37.040 Wait, you still make no pre-assumptions?

05:06:39.960 No.

05:06:40.740 I don't really know what 40 pounds looks like in practice.

05:06:43.420 I can't picture that.

05:06:44.380 I think women need to wake up.

05:06:46.900 Women need a wake-up call.

05:06:48.680 Is he 40 pounds overweight?

05:06:49.780 Is that what you're trying to tell me?

05:06:50.700 He said I'm 40 pounds overweight for sure.

05:06:53.100 Okay.

05:06:53.500 Yeah.

05:06:53.740 I should be 40 pounds less.

05:06:56.140 Okay.

05:06:56.720 Then I guess if someone's 40 pounds overweight, I would make a lifestyle judgment.

05:07:00.040 There you go.

05:07:02.040 Funny how that works.

05:07:03.160 Well, I didn't make a claim before because I said I couldn't picture it.

05:07:06.160 Now I can picture it, so I can make a claim.

05:07:07.340 She's picturing it.

05:07:07.840 Love it.

05:07:08.500 I think women need a wake-up call and realize that they're not nearly as attractive as they think they are.

05:07:16.060 As they think they are.

05:07:16.880 Nick, you'll pull up the Discord here in just a moment.

05:07:20.580 I also think if we lined up every woman on earth and put her next to her male looks equivalent,

05:07:25.640 99% of women would be completely mortified.

05:07:31.060 Yeah, with no makeup especially.

05:07:32.180 The average woman doesn't realize she's average.

05:07:34.900 Thus, the average woman does not want to date the average man, even though that is her league.

05:07:40.960 Can I give a great example of this?

05:07:42.500 Mm-hmm.

05:07:43.180 Okay.

05:07:43.720 So, and again, none of this is designed to be mean.

05:07:47.420 All we're trying to do is talk about when it comes to dating or when it comes to relationships,

05:07:52.520 that people often have, especially women, a much greater kind of idea about themselves than they should.

05:08:01.720 And that's just because all women get male attention all the time.

05:08:05.160 And it doesn't really matter how fucking ugly they are or how fat they are.

05:08:08.260 They get male attention.

05:08:09.640 They do.

05:08:10.720 So, the thing is, is like, I know what my DMs look like.

05:08:15.480 I don't even want to know what her DMs look like.

05:08:17.700 Okay?

05:08:18.100 But I can fucking tell you that she has three secretaries.

05:08:21.740 Okay?

05:08:22.160 So, the thing is, is like, and you probably need a secretary.

05:08:27.280 And all of you probably need a secretary to go through all of your DMs.

05:08:31.120 Right?

05:08:31.480 That's how it works.

05:08:32.500 Not a secretary, but like, yeah, there's like.

05:08:34.300 Yeah, there's a fucking lot.

05:08:35.640 Okay?

05:08:36.040 But that's not you.

05:08:37.640 That's every fucking woman.

05:08:39.680 And it's not you.

05:08:40.460 Not every woman has.

05:08:41.220 No, it's every woman.

05:08:42.140 I'm telling you.

05:08:42.720 Every woman who posts actively on social media.

05:08:44.720 If you're posting, yeah, it's every woman.

05:08:45.440 Doesn't look like Cosimo.

05:08:46.960 Is that a guess?

05:08:47.360 Because she literally has three people.

05:08:48.760 Yeah, it was a guess.

05:08:50.520 Okay?

05:08:50.840 I'm just basing it on popularity, right, versus that.

05:08:55.260 I'm pretty good at it at this point.

05:08:56.800 But don't you think more.

05:08:57.420 Hang on, hang on.

05:08:58.040 Let me finish what I'm saying.

05:08:59.220 Go ahead.

05:08:59.360 To the viewer out there who's watching this right now, I'm going to tell you a bunch of

05:09:03.480 things that they think that aren't fucking true at all.

05:09:06.660 Okay?

05:09:07.160 Mm-hmm.

05:09:08.300 None of you look on that screen like you look when I'm looking at you.

05:09:13.660 None of you.

05:09:15.100 None of you look anything like that.

05:09:17.640 There's enhancement due to the lighting, due to the makeup, due to everything that makes

05:09:21.780 you very photogenic above and beyond what you actually look like in person.

05:09:26.040 Now, I know how that sounds, but hang on.

05:09:28.460 Let me finish.

05:09:29.360 Let me finish.

05:09:30.880 None of you.

05:09:32.120 Right?

05:09:32.980 I, though, I actually do look about the same.

05:09:36.280 Right?

05:09:36.680 Whether you're looking at me there or here, I look about the same.

05:09:39.820 Brian?

05:09:40.060 I think you look better in person.

05:09:41.420 Maybe.

05:09:42.080 I might actually look better here than I do here.

05:09:44.380 I feel like I look better in person.

05:09:45.160 But the thing is, is like, I'm telling you, the makeup and everything else does a huge

05:09:51.880 number.

05:09:52.300 And then there's the clothing.

05:09:53.420 So I wear what's comfortable, right?

05:09:55.640 Not what makes me look great.

05:09:57.440 I mean, I wear what's comfortable.

05:09:59.700 Women, they tend to wear and they spend hours making sure that their clothing presents them

05:10:06.040 in the best light possible.

05:10:07.640 Okay?

05:10:08.580 Let me ask you this.

05:10:10.240 And I'm going to hope to God you guys tell me the truth.

05:10:13.020 But I'm going to hope.

05:10:15.200 How long did it take you to pick your outfit for today's show?

05:10:18.000 10 minutes.

05:10:20.160 Okay.

05:10:20.720 That might be true.

05:10:21.620 You?

05:10:22.740 10 minutes, but it took longer to actually make it wearable.

05:10:25.940 Because it was wearing before.

05:10:26.720 How much time did you spend on your makeup?

05:10:29.000 20.

05:10:29.920 20.

05:10:30.860 Oh.

05:10:31.780 Oops.

05:10:32.440 Oh, gosh.

05:10:33.080 God damn.

05:10:34.080 I'm so sorry.

05:10:35.460 It was like trying to creep through a tiny little space.

05:10:38.960 And then how much time did you spend on your makeup?

05:10:42.420 Probably about 40 minutes.

05:10:44.280 Don't toss that.

05:10:45.040 How much time did you spend on your makeup?

05:10:46.060 10 or 15 on picking the suit after the color recommendation.

05:10:49.960 How much time did you spend on your makeup?

05:10:51.580 I'm not wearing makeup.

05:10:52.640 Yeah.

05:10:52.900 None?

05:10:53.480 I promise you I'm not.

05:10:54.560 Okay.

05:10:55.120 And then clothes you just threw on whatever?

05:10:56.900 I picked a shirt out of the back of my car so I wouldn't have to stop home.

05:10:59.740 Okay.

05:11:00.960 I just have mascara on and like lip gloss.

05:11:03.580 Like literally.

05:11:04.140 I don't wear makeup at all.

05:11:05.140 Got it.

05:11:05.660 And then you didn't make any selection for clothing?

05:11:07.940 This I picked out sooner.

05:11:09.200 I went through a few outfits, but I wanted to be a little more modest.

05:11:12.380 And again, I have self-harm scars, so I was in between on like.

05:11:15.540 How much time?

05:11:17.380 Well, I live in Chicago, so I packed my outfit like two weeks ago.

05:11:20.580 How much time did you spend picking it though?

05:11:22.820 Probably like 30 minutes to an hour because I again went through a few outfits.

05:11:26.920 I spent like 40 minutes on my makeup and like less than five on picking out my outfit, which is unusual.

05:11:32.600 I usually am more picky with what I wear, but I was running out the door.

05:11:37.200 Yeah.

05:11:37.500 And then over here?

05:11:38.580 10 minutes on my makeup and probably.

05:11:41.480 I went through a few different outfit choices in my head over the past few days contemplating,

05:11:44.840 but this morning I wanted to go with something that was comfortable.

05:11:47.400 10 minute choice.

05:11:48.120 And then here?

05:11:49.580 No makeup and my boyfriend chose my dress.

05:11:52.160 Okay.

05:11:52.520 Got it.

05:11:52.860 The point is though, is like I spent exactly 30 seconds picking my fucking outfit and then ran out the door and came over here.

05:12:00.120 Right?

05:12:00.660 I combed my hair.

05:12:01.480 That was it.

05:12:02.060 It took about one minute.

05:12:04.060 Right?

05:12:04.540 The distinction is, is that, I guess what I'm trying to demonstrate is that it's not just the idea that everything is photogenic and enhanced and there's makeup involved and there's outfit selection involved.

05:12:17.660 There's also augmentation that's usually involved.

05:12:20.140 Women have all sorts of augmentations that they give themselves constantly.

05:12:23.720 Boob enhancements, butt enhancements, liposuction, all kinds of shit.

05:12:28.140 Right?

05:12:28.600 Men don't do any of that.

05:12:29.720 And I feel like if none of that is present to equalize, right, that generally I actually don't know that women in modernity are the fairer sex.

05:12:39.620 And I don't, I'm not actually confident that, that it is the case that this kind of like overwhelming sense that they have, that they're just gorgeous, all of them seem to think so, is justified or founded.

05:12:54.620 I mean, a woman can feel like fully, okay.

05:12:56.700 I think most women, Andrew, related, related to dating, this assessment, right?

05:13:07.060 Most women, I think, are trying to date well above what their looks, their prospects, and their personalities warrant.

05:13:13.980 If we have, we have a 31-year-old, and again, I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just, it's, it's the truth.

05:13:20.980 We have a 31-year-old woman who's overweight who thinks her league is Ryan Gosling.

05:13:28.360 I'm, I'm surprised nobody else here finds that insane.

05:13:32.840 I'm not even talking about his status.

05:13:35.360 I'm not talking about his personality.

05:13:36.680 I'm not talking about his fame.

05:13:40.100 Just on his looks, the guy, the guy is physically fit.

05:13:44.500 The guy's physically fit.

05:13:46.340 Just on that basis alone, you should be like, I'm overweight.

05:13:51.600 There's no way I'm in Ryan Gosling's league.

05:13:54.200 But even if we're looking at totality, we're looking at you combine body with facial attractiveness.

05:14:00.020 That's crazy to me.

05:14:01.460 And then there's that, I forgot that other guy, Drew, or whatever the fuck.

05:14:04.600 But, Brian, is that because, is that because someone who would look like a Ryan Gosling would have sex with him?

05:14:12.340 Isn't that what, isn't that why the sense comes in of, like, they can, women can have sex with a guy that looks like Ryan Gosling,

05:14:21.280 even if Ryan Gosling's way out of their league, but they can't net him?

05:14:25.420 Confirmation bias.

05:14:26.800 Yeah.

05:14:27.040 Well, yeah, you shouldn't confuse sexual, like, sexual interest with relationship interest.

05:14:36.380 Like, just because he'll dick you down doesn't mean he's going to wife you up.

05:14:39.440 Because Ryan Gosling's there and you're there.

05:14:42.200 And that's good enough.

05:14:43.960 So it's like.

05:14:45.220 Right.

05:14:46.320 But then, like, you're also equating some value in there when you say relationship.

05:14:49.880 Because, like, there's probably some guy who's probably retarded, not very bright, not very good family, who looks like him.

05:14:56.540 Because all he knows is brawn and workout and has all his bro science mechanics who probably would wife a girl up like that.

05:15:03.660 It's possible.

05:15:04.360 Yeah.

05:15:04.800 But it's not.

05:15:05.320 It's not.

05:15:05.760 It's not.

05:15:06.180 It's not the average, though, for sure.

05:15:08.020 It's not the light.

05:15:08.560 It's not likely.

05:15:09.440 Wait, wait.

05:15:09.760 I have something to say.

05:15:10.640 Because earlier you were talking about, like, how long women spend on, like, how they look.

05:15:14.220 Like, and, like, this is a conversation I've had with Brian once, but, like, don't men, like, spend a lot of time in the gym also to be perceived as more attractive?

05:15:22.440 Well, the motivations, I'll agree with you that there's a big motivation for men to go to the gym so that they look good for the opposite sex.

05:15:32.640 But what I found is when men start really persistently going to the gym, they actually start doing it after a while to beat themselves.

05:15:39.840 They want to get to that next tier of I can, oh, man, I got on the hundreds on the barbells from the 90s, right?

05:15:48.360 They actually start looking at it for a different form of motivation once they hit a peak or once they hit, like, a certain level where they're like, okay, I look good.

05:15:57.460 But I'm going to keep going because, you know, I want to challenge myself.

05:16:02.060 And they don't do the augmentations.

05:16:04.620 Like, there's no, they don't, where are all the men with the nose jobs?

05:16:07.880 Where are all the men with the butt padding?

05:16:10.340 Like, they're just nowhere.

05:16:11.920 They don't do all the augmentations.

05:16:13.500 The best that you get out of a man is a beard.

05:16:16.140 I also just want to say, and you're probably going to disagree with this, but, like, I could give a personal example.

05:16:20.640 I started putting effort into my appearance years ago when I was super insecure because I wanted to be perceived by other people a certain way.

05:16:27.060 And I started to detach from that.

05:16:28.740 And now, I mean, again, men won't believe this, but, like, when I put effort into my appearance, I want to feel good about how I look.

05:16:34.120 And it's not just about how other people feel.

05:16:34.800 Look, look, I don't dispute that that that's the case, okay?

05:16:38.380 I'm just saying, you have some advantages right now that you're not going to have in 20 years.

05:16:42.760 The biggest advantage is that you're fucking 18, right?

05:16:45.580 It's a huge advantage.

05:16:47.280 You don't have all the same worries that women who are 20 years your senior have, right?

05:16:52.500 And they have a lot of worries.

05:16:53.880 Their metabolism begins to slow down.

05:16:56.820 It becomes much more difficult for them to bounce back from even basic things like a night out drinking with the friends, right?

05:17:04.020 Stuff like that.

05:17:04.740 Like, you have every advantage right now.

05:17:06.400 You can go pound all the fucking booze with the girlfriends all night long, wake up the next day, your hangover's gone by 12 o'clock.

05:17:13.100 Wait, I get really hungover.

05:17:14.540 By 12 o'clock, it's gone.

05:17:17.180 You go and you eat the fucking breakfast at the, you know, hangover shack or whatever, and you're basically fine in a day, right?

05:17:24.440 But, again, 20 years your senior, not the case.

05:17:28.160 Burning off fat, not easy.

05:17:31.140 Like, you're a bodybuilder.

05:17:32.820 Every year it's just a little bit fucking hard or a lot harder than the year before, right?

05:17:37.520 Yeah.

05:17:38.020 I mean, sorry.

05:17:41.200 I mean, there's things that we do very specifically with diet, nutrition, and other compounds that it doesn't make it easier.

05:17:47.940 Assist.

05:17:48.600 Yeah.

05:17:49.480 I mean, you've got to work hard and understand how it works.

05:17:52.300 But, yeah, it's a science.

05:17:53.920 I mean, you have to look at blood work, even someone totally natural.

05:17:56.840 You have to look at your hormones.

05:17:57.380 But as you age, it gets more difficult, right?

05:17:58.940 Yeah, you have to look at your hormones.

05:18:00.260 Yeah, it gets more difficult.

05:18:01.320 And it's like, so you have some advantages that women aren't going to have, you know, 20 years your senior.

05:18:07.540 And this is the point, right?

05:18:09.320 This is the entire point is, like, the fact that women will assign themselves at 35 the same value and beauty standards that you have right now at 18,

05:18:20.940 is what Brian's alluding to.

05:18:22.760 He's like, just how?

05:18:24.680 How do we get to that?

05:18:25.640 How do we get to this form of self-delusion?

05:18:27.420 The way I see it is, like, you can acknowledge that society or, like, 100,000 men are going to view you a certain way

05:18:34.260 and still really like how you look.

05:18:36.400 And not in a way that's deluded.

05:18:37.540 You can genuinely be comfortable and secure and, like, look the way you want to.

05:18:41.040 Like, again, for my personal example, I gave a number, like, that society would assign me.

05:18:46.460 But, like, I wouldn't want to look like society's tent.

05:18:49.420 Well, it's interesting because the beauty choices that you make, though, tend to line up, interestingly enough.

05:18:56.460 They're more stylistic.

05:18:57.240 They tend to line up, interestingly enough, with societal standards for beauty, don't they?

05:19:02.620 For instance, I can give you an example.

05:19:04.460 You have long hair.

05:19:06.500 Because I also like how long hair looks.

05:19:08.080 Sure, but isn't it convenient that also men like how long hair looks and perhaps you do makeup to make your eyes look bigger?

05:19:16.280 Isn't it convenient that men also like when women's eyes look?

05:19:19.980 It's like almost everything you would do to make yourself look more attractive to yourself happens to also be things that the opposite sex finds attractive.

05:19:27.800 You know what's interesting about that is, like, a lot of men actually don't like the fact that I wear makeup.

05:19:32.560 And they find that makes me, like, less attractive because they like natural women.

05:19:35.800 A lot.

05:19:36.800 Or, like, a lot of men just prefer.

05:19:37.680 A lot?

05:19:38.460 A lot of men prefer natural women.

05:19:40.840 Yeah, who's turned you down for a date because they're, like, too much makeup?

05:19:43.880 Well, I don't ask to go on dates.

05:19:45.440 I know.

05:19:45.860 Who's ever?

05:19:46.360 Yeah, but men aren't avoiding you because you have too much makeup on.

05:19:49.840 What I'm saying is I'm definitely.

05:19:51.120 Yeah, hang on.

05:19:51.300 Are men avoiding you because you have too much makeup on?

05:19:54.600 No.

05:19:55.040 No.

05:19:55.820 But I'm sure there's men out there who would not like the fact that I wear makeup.

05:19:57.560 So really quick on this.

05:19:58.720 You said that, well, what's wrong with viewing yourself in this confident way?

05:20:01.900 What's wrong with viewing yourself?

05:20:03.080 Nothing.

05:20:03.460 As a 10.

05:20:04.240 Except the delusion.

05:20:05.100 Well, I.

05:20:05.580 Hold on, hold on.

05:20:06.240 Hold on.

05:20:07.480 God damn.

05:20:08.240 Holy shit.

05:20:09.260 Go ahead.

05:20:12.920 In order for there to be a 10, does there have to be a nine?

05:20:17.320 Yeah, I mean, I would.

05:20:18.080 Does there need to be an eight?

05:20:20.280 Does there need to be a seven?

05:20:22.860 Is there a six, five, four, three, two, one?

05:20:26.320 So this idea that, but it's how I feel about myself, that's great.

05:20:30.240 But when we're using the 10.

05:20:31.760 I wouldn't use a scale in that context.

05:20:33.160 Right.

05:20:33.620 But if we're using the 10 metric, if you say you're a 10, that, that, that would imply

05:20:37.260 somewhere out there exists a one, exists a two, exists a three, et cetera, et cetera.

05:20:41.920 That's why I wouldn't use a scale in the context of like evaluating how you feel about

05:20:45.420 yourself and not in society.

05:20:46.720 What if we ask the question this way, just out of curiosity, if you had a hundred thousand

05:20:51.560 men who were rating you and you average them and it was only three that you got three and

05:20:57.580 it was not beautiful, beautiful, gorgeous, right?

05:21:03.280 Would every woman here put themselves in the beautiful category or the, out of, out of just

05:21:08.900 three, you just have three, you just have not beautiful, beautiful, and then gorgeous.

05:21:12.360 That's it.

05:21:12.880 Wouldn't you do not beautiful, average, and then gorgeous?

05:21:14.980 Wouldn't that make more sense?

05:21:16.480 Sure.

05:21:17.060 Let's do four.

05:21:18.220 Not beautiful, average, or beautiful, or gorgeous.

05:21:22.080 Where do all of you fall there?

05:21:23.380 Gorgeous, average, I don't know.

05:21:27.260 Average?

05:21:28.400 Maybe.

05:21:29.260 So, does that seem like five?

05:21:31.600 Sure.

05:21:32.280 Okay.

05:21:32.560 I already said like according to society.

05:21:34.740 Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

05:21:36.080 Yeah, I said that earlier.

05:21:36.960 Does that change your guys' answers at all?

05:21:38.940 No?

05:21:39.280 Would you put yourself at gorgeous?

05:21:40.560 Yes.

05:21:41.140 Gorgeous?

05:21:41.900 I'd say beautiful.

05:21:43.140 Beautiful?

05:21:47.640 I mean, okay, I have my own perception of myself.

05:21:50.460 Sure.

05:21:50.900 And then the perception of, you know,

05:21:52.900 how when I walk into a place,

05:21:56.200 like I get,

05:21:57.580 I am a spectacle.

05:22:00.360 And I don't know,

05:22:02.160 I guess it's because my body,

05:22:03.900 I don't.

05:22:05.400 Well, it looks different.

05:22:06.320 Of course.

05:22:06.360 My friends tell me I'm pretty,

05:22:07.840 you know, like.

05:22:08.460 Sure.

05:22:10.660 I've gotten gorgeous.

05:22:12.040 I would call myself beautiful.

05:22:14.040 Okay.

05:22:15.860 You, same thing, like beautiful, gorgeous, right?

05:22:18.320 I would say beautiful.

05:22:19.300 Okay.

05:22:19.960 So, that's fair.

05:22:21.040 The thing is about this,

05:22:22.900 I guess maybe that drives me crazy

05:22:24.560 because I've been on so many of these fucking panels

05:22:27.460 talking to different women about this.

05:22:29.940 You know that guy,

05:22:31.380 like the gym rat,

05:22:33.020 or even he's not a gym rat.

05:22:34.340 He's just like an arrogant fuck.

05:22:35.580 He's always in front of the mirror

05:22:36.560 and he's always like fucking lifting

05:22:37.900 and he's always primping

05:22:39.420 and looking at himself and shit.

05:22:40.820 Like just an egocentric fuck, right?

05:22:43.240 Like women seem like they hate that guy.

05:22:46.400 And most women I talk to,

05:22:48.520 they are that guy.

05:22:50.500 They're doing the same shit.

05:22:51.880 They're like in front of the fucking mirror

05:22:53.480 and they're primping

05:22:54.740 and they put on all the little makeup

05:22:56.040 and they fucking,

05:22:57.000 they do all the shit

05:22:57.860 in order to give the best foot forward appearance possible.

05:23:02.080 And it's like,

05:23:02.700 is that ego?

05:23:04.400 I hope that all men think they're beautiful.

05:23:06.180 You know what?

05:23:06.660 Here, we'll do something super simple here.

05:23:08.280 Nick, pull up the Discord please

05:23:09.460 and you're going to scroll up

05:23:10.740 to right below the Evangeline Lilly.

05:23:15.660 Okay?

05:23:16.560 The girl with the other girl outside

05:23:19.860 and we're going to look at all these photos.

05:23:22.120 Because people say,

05:23:22.820 you know,

05:23:23.340 it's very,

05:23:23.920 beauty is very subjective.

05:23:26.200 Very subjective.

05:23:27.460 Make it bigger if you can.

05:23:29.340 I think if you click on it,

05:23:30.480 you should.

05:23:32.260 All right.

05:23:32.580 And then can you mouse wheel,

05:23:34.800 scroll up a little bit?

05:23:36.380 There you go.

05:23:37.280 Scroll down a little bit

05:23:38.160 and we don't need all that palm.

05:23:40.000 I'm just curious,

05:23:40.760 like which,

05:23:41.120 which woman's more attractive?

05:23:44.700 The one on the left.

05:23:47.240 How about you?

05:23:48.580 What do you think?

05:23:49.460 I don't find either of them very attractive,

05:23:51.360 but probably the left.

05:23:53.020 Okay.

05:23:54.100 I would say the left.

05:23:56.480 I agree.

05:23:57.460 Left.

05:23:58.560 Yeah.

05:23:59.400 Oh, okay.

05:24:00.100 I mean,

05:24:00.320 people often fight me on this one.

05:24:01.980 I guess that's good.

05:24:03.500 But if,

05:24:04.300 I think,

05:24:04.860 I think if I show

05:24:05.840 every man on earth this picture,

05:24:12.120 99.99999% of them

05:24:14.740 would pick

05:24:15.340 the woman on the left.

05:24:18.460 Perhaps this wouldn't.

05:24:19.200 I think 100%.

05:24:20.120 Perhaps.

05:24:21.060 Perhaps this wouldn't establish

05:24:22.320 in your,

05:24:22.900 from your guys' view,

05:24:24.840 an objective component to beauty,

05:24:26.480 but it would establish

05:24:27.960 universal,

05:24:29.380 a universal.

05:24:31.380 So,

05:24:31.940 what are the traits?

05:24:32.600 At least as compared

05:24:33.620 to another.

05:24:34.860 Right.

05:24:35.400 Yeah,

05:24:35.680 so that means there's

05:24:36.420 some kind of standard there.

05:24:37.340 What is it about the woman

05:24:38.500 on the left

05:24:39.240 where so many people

05:24:40.540 can agree

05:24:41.360 that she's more attractive?

05:24:44.000 We have some more photos,

05:24:45.000 though.

05:24:46.940 Let's see the rest.

05:24:48.460 For me,

05:24:48.960 it's like her nose.

05:24:49.560 Just the next one.

05:24:50.380 We're just going to go

05:24:50.920 next to next to next.

05:24:52.740 We have Sydney Sweeney here.

05:24:56.120 Which woman is more attractive?

05:24:58.780 And by the,

05:24:59.500 we'll go ahead.

05:25:01.260 Sydney Sweeney.

05:25:02.580 Left or right?

05:25:03.620 Left.

05:25:06.700 Which one's more attractive?

05:25:08.740 Left.

05:25:09.800 It's left.

05:25:10.680 Well,

05:25:10.840 I feel weird asking it,

05:25:11.980 dude.

05:25:12.520 I don't know.

05:25:13.060 Wait,

05:25:13.260 actually,

05:25:13.580 that makes sense.

05:25:14.120 That's not even a question.

05:25:17.140 Left?

05:25:17.800 Yeah.

05:25:18.480 Just same for all

05:25:19.540 you guys.

05:25:22.860 I'm imposed.

05:25:24.140 I'm imposed that.

05:25:24.920 It's cultural.

05:25:26.240 Cultural.

05:25:26.680 I agree.

05:25:28.040 Wait,

05:25:28.320 so you agree.

05:25:29.780 Tell me which culture.

05:25:31.580 This is my crux of the world.

05:25:32.120 Kindly tell me which culture.

05:25:33.820 I rebel against it's not.

05:25:35.500 Yeah,

05:25:35.660 which culture?

05:25:36.280 Women think they have to be nice

05:25:37.780 to everyone all the time

05:25:38.900 or else God will smike them

05:25:40.240 in their place.

05:25:40.900 I don't understand.

05:25:41.940 Which culture?

05:25:43.300 Which culture?

05:25:44.020 Yeah,

05:25:44.360 which culture would prefer

05:25:45.360 the chick on the right?

05:25:46.080 You said,

05:25:46.840 you said it's culturally different

05:25:48.520 and you said you agree

05:25:49.620 which culture is the one

05:25:52.340 on the right,

05:25:53.300 the smoke show.

05:25:54.020 She looks like she's actually

05:25:55.680 like a Native American,

05:25:57.060 maybe even like,

05:25:58.080 I forget the Alaskan term.

05:25:59.900 So does that mean

05:26:00.820 you have to be beautiful

05:26:01.600 if you're of a certain ethnicity now?

05:26:03.220 Well,

05:26:03.360 I'm just curious

05:26:03.880 if that would mean

05:26:04.700 like if we are

05:26:07.460 from American standards

05:26:09.860 pressing upon people

05:26:11.540 that this is what

05:26:13.300 Hollywood standard of beauty is.

05:26:15.780 Wait,

05:26:15.980 hold on.

05:26:16.300 This doesn't even make sense.

05:26:18.480 Okay,

05:26:18.780 you're a different culture.

05:26:20.000 I can...

05:26:20.600 You have a preference,

05:26:21.520 right?

05:26:21.700 Wait, wait.

05:26:22.120 I still have a preference.

05:26:23.460 I can look.

05:26:23.800 He's been too Americanized.

05:26:26.580 Yeah,

05:26:27.140 it's sensationalized.

05:26:28.200 I can look.

05:26:29.180 I am white.

05:26:30.100 I am white.

05:26:31.300 I can look at a white woman

05:26:32.800 and think she's ugly

05:26:34.880 and I can look at a Latina,

05:26:36.680 a black,

05:26:37.280 an Asian woman

05:26:38.080 and think she's beautiful.

05:26:39.460 So this,

05:26:40.020 I don't understand this idea of...

05:26:41.660 It's just the most surface level

05:26:42.060 interpretation of the comment ever.

05:26:44.500 Yeah,

05:26:44.640 yeah.

05:26:44.960 There can be...

05:26:45.700 Beauty's pretty surface level.

05:26:47.200 It's on the surface.

05:26:47.920 I understand,

05:26:48.620 but it's still quite a complicated question.

05:26:51.200 I don't think it's that complicated.

05:26:52.600 What are you referring to?

05:26:54.500 I'm sorry.

05:26:54.880 I'm not the one who used that wording.

05:26:56.100 I guess I wouldn't 100% agree.

05:26:57.700 There is a standpoint

05:26:59.540 that I would come from there.

05:27:01.440 How about this one?

05:27:02.300 Let's do the next one, Nick.

05:27:03.460 Do you think that like,

05:27:04.300 let's just say for a second,

05:27:06.060 let's just say

05:27:06.680 that you were raised

05:27:10.180 in the middle of the Amazon jungle,

05:27:12.740 okay?

05:27:13.580 Where like,

05:27:14.240 I don't know,

05:27:14.620 chicks put rings on their neck and shit

05:27:16.180 and extend their necks

05:27:17.440 and the giraffe neck thing,

05:27:19.600 you know what I mean?

05:27:20.240 This is all you had ever experienced,

05:27:22.600 okay?

05:27:23.560 And one day those two women show up.

05:27:25.580 Which one do you think

05:27:28.360 the tribal men

05:27:29.460 would prefer to have

05:27:30.700 sexual intercourse with?

05:27:32.260 Probably the one with the longer neck.

05:27:35.000 Like,

05:27:35.220 it's,

05:27:35.340 sorry,

05:27:36.740 I don't fucking,

05:27:37.220 to the left.

05:27:37.980 Just intuitively,

05:27:38.420 intuitively,

05:27:39.260 they have about the same size neck.

05:27:40.760 I don't think that we're intuitive,

05:27:42.480 I don't think that we're born

05:27:43.600 thinking that people

05:27:44.320 who look like Sidney Sweeney

05:27:45.240 are attractive.

05:27:45.960 I just want,

05:27:46.560 your official answer is

05:27:47.900 you're not sure

05:27:48.960 that they would prefer

05:27:49.680 to sleep with Sidney Sweeney.

05:27:50.920 Yes,

05:27:51.100 that is my official answer.

05:27:51.980 Okay.

05:27:53.040 Let's do the next one, Nick.

05:27:54.740 Yeah,

05:27:54.920 I agree with you.

05:27:55.780 Yeah.

05:27:56.640 Because you're both

05:27:57.700 How about this one?

05:28:00.140 Left or right,

05:28:00.980 which woman is more attractive?

05:28:03.760 The right.

05:28:04.060 That's pretty symmetrical.

05:28:08.180 It sounds like

05:28:08.920 you were going to say something.

05:28:10.100 No,

05:28:10.380 no,

05:28:10.480 no.

05:28:10.700 I mean,

05:28:11.040 there's a very obvious answer,

05:28:12.300 but what's,

05:28:12.680 What's the obvious answer?

05:28:13.800 The woman on the right

05:28:14.760 is more attractive.

05:28:15.220 Okay,

05:28:15.440 yeah,

05:28:16.100 so what were you going to say?

05:28:17.580 Did I just earn that?

05:28:18.680 You did.

05:28:20.580 Guys,

05:28:21.000 let her speak.

05:28:21.480 No,

05:28:21.680 it's all right.

05:28:22.020 It's,

05:28:22.360 it's,

05:28:22.700 honestly,

05:28:23.880 it's a discussion

05:28:24.400 we already had

05:28:24.960 when I was here last time,

05:28:26.020 and I don't know

05:28:26.680 how interesting it'll be.

05:28:27.580 Well,

05:28:27.720 just really quickly.

05:28:29.020 I do find it interesting

05:28:30.620 that it is very intentional

05:28:31.800 that the attractive example

05:28:33.440 is always a white woman.

05:28:34.480 Oh,

05:28:34.500 just wait.

05:28:35.140 We'll get to that.

05:28:35.860 Okay.

05:28:36.420 I get this criticism,

05:28:38.020 but I understand

05:28:38.680 what you're saying.

05:28:39.200 So,

05:28:39.420 so you're saying,

05:28:40.060 well,

05:28:40.140 Brian,

05:28:40.460 hold on.

05:28:41.040 It's unfair

05:28:41.820 that you're,

05:28:42.680 you're being selective

05:28:44.000 in your,

05:28:44.820 here.

05:28:45.400 You're,

05:28:45.620 you're,

05:28:45.940 you're picking

05:28:46.600 an ugly colored woman

05:28:47.960 or woman of color.

05:28:49.540 I don't know if that's a film,

05:28:50.240 whatever,

05:28:50.460 versus like a beautiful

05:28:53.260 white woman.

05:28:53.900 That's like,

05:28:54.440 you're kind of being racist

05:28:55.320 or whatever.

05:28:55.960 Well,

05:28:56.040 I'm not even saying

05:28:56.580 that it's,

05:28:56.960 it's being racist,

05:28:57.800 but I,

05:28:58.160 I do definitely think

05:28:59.340 that it goes to show

05:29:00.840 that like a lot of people

05:29:02.240 do find white people

05:29:03.140 more attractive.

05:29:04.140 Well,

05:29:04.700 what?

05:29:05.260 Unless,

05:29:05.880 well,

05:29:06.340 if you have a different example,

05:29:07.300 I will stand corrected.

05:29:08.120 Just really quick

05:29:08.480 before we get into the next thing,

05:29:09.520 everybody,

05:29:10.080 was it the woman

05:29:10.900 on the left or the right?

05:29:12.080 Anybody?

05:29:12.700 Do you,

05:29:12.960 what do you think?

05:29:14.120 I think we're,

05:29:14.940 again,

05:29:15.320 pressing our own normative,

05:29:17.000 like white normative

05:29:18.000 or gendas.

05:29:19.020 What does that mean?

05:29:19.820 I don't know.

05:29:21.600 It sounds like childhood

05:29:22.500 trauma to me.

05:29:23.220 I'm not sure.

05:29:24.420 It means that she thinks

05:29:25.540 that it's culturally relative

05:29:27.580 and some cultures

05:29:28.400 would actually find

05:29:29.100 the woman on the left

05:29:30.680 to be more attractive

05:29:31.640 than the one on the right

05:29:32.660 based on cultural standards.

05:29:33.980 I mean,

05:29:34.140 for example,

05:29:35.120 I don't,

05:29:35.660 I don't think women

05:29:36.420 who wear makeup

05:29:37.280 are particularly very pretty.

05:29:39.580 I think they're just compensating

05:29:41.220 for their own insecurities.

05:29:43.320 But yet,

05:29:43.700 without makeup,

05:29:44.320 I just chose to wear makeup.

05:29:45.940 And here,

05:29:46.500 so you can't make a determination,

05:29:48.260 pull up the photo again,

05:29:49.220 you can't make a determination

05:29:50.180 that the woman,

05:29:51.180 I have an opinion,

05:29:52.460 but I think it's,

05:29:53.760 what's your opinion?

05:29:55.020 I think it's neither here

05:29:56.160 nor there,

05:29:56.580 though.

05:29:58.260 You were able to do

05:29:59.080 with the other women?

05:29:59.760 Well,

05:29:59.960 it's at least here or there.

05:30:01.920 Oh,

05:30:02.380 actually,

05:30:02.920 I'm just saying that.

05:30:03.960 If he called your husband,

05:30:04.920 what would he say?

05:30:06.120 He's the master.

05:30:06.860 You have to defer

05:30:07.300 to his opinion.

05:30:08.020 Right.

05:30:08.560 Okay.

05:30:08.980 Yeah,

05:30:09.180 I mean,

05:30:09.360 he grew up in America,

05:30:10.180 so what can you expect?

05:30:10.880 So what's your,

05:30:11.620 I guess,

05:30:11.940 what's your criticism,

05:30:12.740 though,

05:30:12.920 about the,

05:30:13.700 quote,

05:30:13.840 white normativity

05:30:14.920 or whatever?

05:30:15.580 What is it?

05:30:15.940 Yeah,

05:30:16.080 we're pressing

05:30:16.920 our own standards

05:30:18.340 of beauty,

05:30:19.080 and this is what,

05:30:20.420 this is the privilege

05:30:22.460 we get being so media-centric

05:30:24.900 in America

05:30:26.020 that we can now determine

05:30:27.460 what is beautiful.

05:30:28.720 But consider,

05:30:29.500 when we're in the Renaissance,

05:30:30.660 it's like fat people

05:30:31.800 were actually looked up

05:30:33.000 as like,

05:30:33.440 Oh my God,

05:30:33.480 that's bullshit.

05:30:34.980 What do you mean?

05:30:35.780 It's total bullshit.

05:30:37.020 Well,

05:30:37.120 there weren't,

05:30:37.520 there weren't very many

05:30:38.260 fat people in the Renaissance,

05:30:39.640 honestly.

05:30:39.880 They only liked them

05:30:40.800 for their money.

05:30:41.860 They saved money.

05:30:42.700 Nonetheless.

05:30:43.200 No,

05:30:43.420 it's just because

05:30:43.920 the royals are the only ones

05:30:44.920 that had pictures painted of them.

05:30:46.200 They were nobles.

05:30:47.060 They were the ones

05:30:47.400 who could afford to eat.

05:30:49.080 Here,

05:30:49.640 but just to be fair,

05:30:50.480 because there's this criticism,

05:30:52.060 O'Brien,

05:30:52.400 you're comparing a beautiful

05:30:53.140 white woman to a whatever.

05:30:55.100 Nick,

05:30:55.380 let's go into the next.

05:30:56.780 And I know this is AI,

05:30:58.080 but I can sit here and say

05:30:59.520 the black woman is clearly,

05:31:01.340 it's AI,

05:31:02.000 obviously,

05:31:02.480 clearly more attractive

05:31:03.460 than the white woman next.

05:31:06.720 No,

05:31:06.920 just,

05:31:07.320 just go to it.

05:31:08.620 Oh,

05:31:08.780 okay.

05:31:09.880 Next.

05:31:12.600 Make a smaller,

05:31:13.740 please.

05:31:14.760 Okay.

05:31:15.780 The black woman

05:31:17.080 is clearly,

05:31:19.400 clearly more attractive.

05:31:21.020 In my white heteronormative

05:31:22.800 fucking bullshit,

05:31:23.760 whatever society,

05:31:24.720 white normativity,

05:31:26.580 yeah,

05:31:26.820 the black woman

05:31:27.620 is more beautiful

05:31:28.820 than the white woman.

05:31:30.240 What do you have to say to that?

05:31:31.040 Unless you're breeding

05:31:32.000 for big noses,

05:31:33.260 perhaps,

05:31:34.060 so you can smell

05:31:35.120 better.

05:31:37.100 You may be,

05:31:37.840 maybe.

05:31:38.080 Okay,

05:31:38.360 don't give me a troll answer.

05:31:39.660 Don't give me a troll answer.

05:31:40.680 Give me a real answer.

05:31:42.400 I mean,

05:31:42.800 obviously,

05:31:43.220 I grew up in America.

05:31:43.800 I'm going to think right is premier.

05:31:44.620 Hold on.

05:31:44.640 Hold on.

05:31:44.660 Pull it back up real quick, Nick.

05:31:46.080 You really are pressing me

05:31:47.420 for an answer,

05:31:48.320 but I think beauty

05:31:49.340 is still subjective.

05:31:50.840 Wait,

05:31:51.040 but hold on,

05:31:51.600 hold on.

05:31:52.060 Is this my white normativity

05:31:53.920 that is making me say

05:31:55.600 that the black woman

05:31:56.600 on the right

05:31:57.240 is more attractive

05:31:58.220 than the white woman

05:31:59.100 on the left?

05:31:59.760 Is that my white normativity?

05:32:01.040 Cultural upbringing,

05:32:01.980 yeah.

05:32:02.160 I think that can easily change

05:32:03.660 if the populace

05:32:05.140 was more about having

05:32:07.060 perhaps mountainous features.

05:32:10.980 Resulted in me

05:32:11.780 determining that

05:32:12.440 the black woman

05:32:13.160 is more attractive

05:32:14.200 than the white woman.

05:32:14.320 Maybe mountainous features

05:32:14.620 will actually be better

05:32:15.720 if you're surviving.

05:32:17.980 Pull up the next one, Nick.

05:32:19.480 I can continue.

05:32:20.660 Continue.

05:32:21.200 Go ahead.

05:32:22.220 Well,

05:32:22.360 I don't know if you're just

05:32:22.940 giving me troll answers

05:32:24.080 at this point.

05:32:25.000 Halle Berry,

05:32:26.900 way more attractive

05:32:28.020 than the white woman

05:32:29.480 on the left.

05:32:30.100 Let's see the next one.

05:32:32.260 There's got to be a culture

05:32:33.140 that loves the white woman

05:32:34.140 on the left, though, right?

05:32:36.340 How about this one?

05:32:37.480 She looks like

05:32:37.920 she's missing dentures.

05:32:39.220 Stacey Dash,

05:32:40.560 a beautiful black woman,

05:32:43.660 is more beautiful

05:32:44.620 than that white woman.

05:32:47.620 So this, look,

05:32:48.380 that...

05:32:48.820 One has professional

05:32:49.520 photography,

05:32:50.440 the other one looks like

05:32:51.220 a snapshot from the 80s.

05:32:53.300 We also, I guess...

05:32:54.380 I'm not sure that you

05:32:55.300 could professional

05:32:56.020 that out.

05:32:58.680 Just saying.

05:32:59.480 Maybe if she was sitting here

05:33:00.860 with all the camera work.

05:33:02.400 Maybe.

05:33:02.960 Maybe.

05:33:04.420 How about this?

05:33:05.120 Let's go to guys.

05:33:06.260 Jonah Hill,

05:33:07.100 or you know what?

05:33:07.760 Just exile that entirely.

05:33:11.000 A black man

05:33:12.180 more attractive

05:33:12.940 than a white man.

05:33:14.260 Scroll down, though.

05:33:15.320 Brad Pitt,

05:33:16.040 I think he's more attractive

05:33:16.820 than that Latino man.

05:33:18.140 And then in this case,

05:33:19.360 there's a white woman

05:33:20.240 who's more attractive

05:33:20.840 than a black woman.

05:33:22.220 So, I mean, look.

05:33:24.340 Congratulations.

05:33:24.620 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

05:33:25.160 No.

05:33:25.480 Hold back up, Nick.

05:33:26.400 I find Jonah Hill

05:33:27.540 more attractive.

05:33:30.080 Because he couldn't

05:33:31.400 run away from you?

05:33:32.240 I knew it wasn't worth saying.

05:33:33.120 You're such a coper.

05:33:34.320 You're just a coper.

05:33:35.500 Jonah Hill is more attractive

05:33:37.060 than Michael B. Jordan.

05:33:38.340 I think in that specific photo,

05:33:40.320 yes.

05:33:40.620 So you're racist.

05:33:41.260 That's insane.

05:33:41.940 So you're just saying

05:33:42.780 you're racist.

05:33:43.480 I never claimed

05:33:44.080 that Brian was racist.

05:33:45.180 I did say, however,

05:33:45.980 that he showed a tendency

05:33:47.480 to find white women

05:33:48.160 more attractive

05:33:48.640 until he turned me wrong,

05:33:49.600 so I stopped making the claim.

05:33:50.480 Yeah, now you're the racist one.

05:33:52.000 To find white men

05:33:52.820 more attractive.

05:33:53.320 No, no, no.

05:33:53.480 But I think that many images

05:33:54.660 back to back to back

05:33:55.740 that are trying to prove

05:33:56.760 that these white women

05:33:57.400 are more attractive than...

05:33:58.300 Like, it would have been different

05:33:59.040 if there was one photo

05:34:00.660 of two white women.

05:34:01.600 And then I pointed it out

05:34:02.560 and you said,

05:34:03.200 wait, no,

05:34:03.600 I can give you these examples.

05:34:04.600 So I stopped talking

05:34:05.360 because I understand.

05:34:06.400 Well, yeah,

05:34:07.060 but I could find also

05:34:08.620 like an ugly white woman

05:34:10.060 and a beautiful white woman.

05:34:11.260 Sure.

05:34:11.640 Who do you think

05:34:12.160 you have a better chance with?

05:34:13.240 Jonah Hill or Michael?

05:34:15.180 Realistically, neither.

05:34:16.560 Okay, that's not the question.

05:34:18.660 If you were going to

05:34:19.540 if you were going to decide

05:34:20.660 that say you were in a room

05:34:24.520 with them

05:34:24.960 and you had to make a decision

05:34:26.800 but you knew

05:34:27.220 they had to make the answer.

05:34:28.640 You knew they had to make the answer.

05:34:29.660 Yeah, of course, Jonah Hill.

05:34:30.880 Well, because I know

05:34:31.400 how society perceives them.

05:34:32.640 I can understand that.

05:34:33.540 So I know that Jonah Hill

05:34:34.320 probably is not...

05:34:35.200 Because he's fat.

05:34:36.020 Yes, I understand that.

05:34:36.560 Yeah, no, it's not...

05:34:37.820 It's just how all societies

05:34:39.980 would perceive it.

05:34:40.820 I understand that.

05:34:41.260 All societal women

05:34:42.160 would be like,

05:34:42.940 oh, I have a way better chance

05:34:44.560 with the fat guy.

05:34:45.800 What I am saying

05:34:46.760 is that I personally

05:34:48.120 don't find it less attractive

05:34:49.120 but I agree with you

05:34:49.940 that there is like

05:34:50.660 a general consensus

05:34:51.740 that most people

05:34:52.380 would find that less attractive.

05:34:53.800 I understand.

05:34:55.060 Final thing here.

05:34:55.640 I'm going to try

05:34:56.040 to move this along.

05:34:57.340 Do you think you'll be

05:34:57.840 better looking in 10 years' time?

05:34:59.400 If Jonah Hill were here,

05:35:00.380 he would agree with me

05:35:01.160 that you're delusional.

05:35:01.320 I think women are most beautiful

05:35:02.380 like around 27, 28.

05:35:04.060 Okay, what about

05:35:04.620 in 20 years, 38?

05:35:05.840 Then no.

05:35:06.840 Kate, you're 31.

05:35:07.760 Better looking in 10 years' time, 41?

05:35:09.280 No.

05:35:09.420 And then Kate,

05:35:10.320 were you better looking

05:35:11.340 at 21 10 years ago

05:35:12.620 versus now?

05:35:13.300 I don't know.

05:35:13.560 I feel like he should answer that

05:35:14.960 because my perception

05:35:16.340 could be warped

05:35:17.040 from the amount of

05:35:17.880 You're so fucked, dude.

05:35:19.400 You're so fucked right now.

05:35:20.980 I can't wait.

05:35:22.300 Scoot to the table a little bit.

05:35:23.480 Don't lie, bro.

05:35:24.160 Don't lie.

05:35:24.620 Put the hot pack on,

05:35:25.120 by the way.

05:35:25.560 Yeah.

05:35:26.220 I'll know if you're lying.

05:35:30.560 So what was that,

05:35:31.320 21 when you first met me?

05:35:33.040 No, I'll be honest here.

05:35:34.200 No, I definitely think.

05:35:35.200 Well, so no,

05:35:36.260 that's tough.

05:35:37.180 He's so fucked.

05:35:40.240 25 better.

05:35:41.280 Oof.

05:35:42.160 Okay, that's fair.

05:35:43.740 That's fair.

05:35:44.460 Oh, boy.

05:35:44.960 That's going to be a long time.

05:35:45.500 I feel like you weaseled

05:35:46.720 your way out of that.

05:35:48.460 You know, I do.

05:35:49.500 So I'm better than 21, though.

05:35:51.020 Well, because when she was 21,

05:35:52.580 she was extremely poor.

05:35:54.080 Like, everything was from Walmart.

05:35:55.800 Like, I'm not even exaggerating

05:35:56.880 a little bit, right?

05:35:57.520 Like, and she, you know.

05:35:58.840 I would say my health was worse

05:36:00.640 when I was 21.

05:36:01.500 Like, I was very thin.

05:36:02.520 Sure.

05:36:02.960 Super thin.

05:36:05.280 Okay.

05:36:05.500 Okay.

05:36:07.180 Better looking in, I guess, for you?

05:36:09.560 Actually, no.

05:36:10.760 We can't let you get away.

05:36:12.200 From your perspective,

05:36:13.820 better looking at 21 or 31?

05:36:16.960 Oh, I definitely think 31 than 21.

05:36:19.200 Okay.

05:36:19.360 Okay.

05:36:20.220 For you, do you think you'll be

05:36:21.720 better looking in 10 years' time?

05:36:23.300 Hopefully the same, but probably less.

05:36:25.000 Probably the same.

05:36:25.640 And then better looking now

05:36:26.400 or better looking at 26?

05:36:28.180 26.

05:36:29.500 You're 20, better looking at 30?

05:36:31.360 Yeah.

05:36:31.940 40?

05:36:33.080 Yes.

05:36:33.620 50?

05:36:34.100 Yes.

05:36:34.520 60?

05:36:34.940 Yes.

05:36:35.180 70?

05:36:35.660 Yes.

05:36:36.060 80?

05:36:36.500 Yes.

05:36:37.180 Well, you look better in your casket.

05:36:40.460 Real funny.

05:36:41.020 A hundred?

05:36:41.900 No, I'm serious.

05:36:42.780 Would you, if after you were prepared by the-

05:36:44.680 Like if I were a skeleton?

05:36:46.020 No, in your casket.

05:36:47.640 After the-

05:36:47.940 So I'm already, I'm dead.

05:36:49.100 You're dead, but they've gone ahead

05:36:50.660 and they've like, you know,

05:36:52.400 they've done what Undertakers do

05:36:54.480 to make your cheeks rosy

05:36:56.340 and things like that.

05:36:57.000 You're going to be,

05:36:57.840 are you going to look better then

05:36:59.620 than you do right now?

05:37:01.040 Maybe if they do a good job.

05:37:03.200 I can't take it, man.

05:37:05.180 I can't.

05:37:05.820 Will I be more attractive

05:37:07.460 to the general consensus?

05:37:08.920 No.

05:37:09.280 I can acknowledge that.

05:37:10.000 Are you dead?

05:37:10.540 No, no, no.

05:37:11.140 Wow, I'm stunned.

05:37:13.020 If I was older than I am now.

05:37:15.040 It's crazy that people are out here

05:37:16.820 farming these answers

05:37:17.740 when I'm the only one with an OF.

05:37:18.800 I don't understand.

05:37:20.100 I don't know.

05:37:20.900 It's like, what is the game?

05:37:21.580 I really do genuinely-

05:37:23.040 Is that better looking at 100?

05:37:24.700 I will be dead and-

05:37:26.320 No, you might be alive at 100.

05:37:27.700 I'm not making it that far.

05:37:29.120 Yeah.

05:37:29.420 You don't know what I do.

05:37:31.240 What do you do?

05:37:32.220 Matt, what do you do?

05:37:33.900 No, I mean, if I make it to-

05:37:35.720 I truly, I don't think

05:37:37.500 that I will be more attractive.

05:37:38.720 There are different words.

05:37:39.320 I want to specify that.

05:37:40.600 I do not think I'll be more attractive

05:37:42.140 in 10 years.

05:37:44.280 I think it is beautiful to age.

05:37:45.980 I think wrinkles are beautiful.

05:37:47.760 I think-

05:37:48.280 All right.

05:37:48.680 What about you?

05:37:50.440 I would be probably about the same

05:37:52.680 in 10 years,

05:37:53.960 but 10 years ago,

05:37:55.000 I think I actually was worse looking

05:37:56.660 because I was obese most of my life.

05:37:58.460 And then I didn't hit my prime

05:37:59.780 until like-

05:38:01.220 Like, honestly,

05:38:02.140 like last year or anything,

05:38:03.200 I've been like in my healthiest.

05:38:04.800 I work out the most.

05:38:05.860 I take care of myself the most now.

05:38:08.080 So-

05:38:08.280 Okay.

05:38:08.480 So you'll be better looking at 37

05:38:10.340 versus now 27.

05:38:12.440 What about 20 years?

05:38:13.240 47?

05:38:14.420 No, I think I'll definitely

05:38:15.560 be declining by then, yeah.

05:38:16.960 And then 27 versus 18,

05:38:19.500 better looking now?

05:38:20.660 Yes.

05:38:20.980 Right?

05:38:21.200 Okay.

05:38:21.320 Yeah, I was not good looking at 18.

05:38:22.420 You're 28,

05:38:23.180 better looking at 38?

05:38:24.860 Yes, I'm going to work

05:38:25.600 some peptide magic.

05:38:27.060 Some what?

05:38:27.580 Some peptide magic.

05:38:29.660 48, 20 years?

05:38:30.960 No.

05:38:31.560 And then were you better looking

05:38:32.800 at 18 or better looking now?

05:38:34.540 No.

05:38:35.260 Do you, by the way,

05:38:35.820 do you post like,

05:38:37.500 when did you start bodybuilding?

05:38:39.400 What age?

05:38:40.220 When I was 16.

05:38:41.140 Oh, 16.

05:38:41.980 Okay.

05:38:42.420 So by the time you were like 18 or 20,

05:38:44.280 were you already pretty,

05:38:45.100 really?

05:38:46.060 I was,

05:38:46.820 I started lifting when I was 12.

05:38:48.440 Okay.

05:38:48.840 I was always pretty jacked.

05:38:50.080 Are you natty?

05:38:51.480 Not now.

05:38:53.020 When did you start taking

05:38:54.220 PEDs?

05:38:58.200 In 2020.

05:38:59.380 So after like,

05:39:00.940 I started body,

05:39:01.700 I did my first show in 2014

05:39:03.240 and then the year

05:39:05.020 before I turned pro

05:39:06.060 was when I started PEDs.

05:39:09.720 Really quick question

05:39:10.640 on the PED thing.

05:39:11.500 does it,

05:39:13.960 Nick knows what I'm,

05:39:14.900 does it grow things

05:39:18.260 like down there?

05:39:21.320 It can.

05:39:22.680 Like a giant,

05:39:23.640 big clit?

05:39:24.740 It really depends on the person.

05:39:25.940 I haven't had issues with it.

05:39:27.420 I mean,

05:39:27.700 definitely more

05:39:28.840 swelling when on gear.

05:39:33.160 Swelling?

05:39:33.820 Yeah.

05:39:34.400 That's crazy.

05:39:35.580 Yeah.

05:39:37.300 But I,

05:39:38.400 look,

05:39:38.660 I've been very lucky.

05:39:40.080 Like I,

05:39:41.700 although the internet

05:39:42.280 might say otherwise,

05:39:42.900 I have a very feminine face

05:39:44.560 in bodybuilding.

05:39:45.600 Okay.

05:39:45.740 And you just,

05:39:48.780 you have to be smart

05:39:49.440 with your protocols.

05:39:50.860 But it changed your voice too,

05:39:52.260 right?

05:39:52.700 Yeah.

05:39:53.340 Yeah.

05:39:53.740 I found a video

05:39:54.620 from when I,

05:39:55.900 the year,

05:39:57.680 but right before I started PEDs

05:39:59.280 and I'm like talking to my dog,

05:40:00.220 my voice is,

05:40:00.780 I can't go that high now.

05:40:01.880 I have,

05:40:02.140 I have an of our voice for sure.

05:40:04.160 Do you,

05:40:04.740 does that distress you at all?

05:40:06.140 Like the voice change?

05:40:06.800 Not even a little bit.

05:40:07.720 Nothing at all.

05:40:08.600 Okay.

05:40:08.860 Like I,

05:40:10.620 I mean,

05:40:11.960 people are like,

05:40:12.580 oh,

05:40:12.740 like you destroyed your voice

05:40:13.920 to get that physique.

05:40:14.840 Like it's not worth it.

05:40:16.060 Maybe not to you,

05:40:17.100 but I'm doing very well

05:40:19.180 at my craft

05:40:20.020 and I've been very,

05:40:22.860 I think intelligent

05:40:25.440 in my protocols.

05:40:26.920 And yeah,

05:40:28.900 I have no,

05:40:30.860 okay.

05:40:31.140 I will say my upper body,

05:40:33.240 I love the way I look

05:40:34.840 and it's really cool

05:40:36.060 and I'm doing something

05:40:37.220 very specific.

05:40:38.140 But when I'm 38,

05:40:39.840 by that time,

05:40:40.540 I will reduce this.

05:40:42.240 I want to be able to wear

05:40:43.120 like a fricking laser

05:40:44.180 or something.

05:40:44.840 Okay.

05:40:45.320 But,

05:40:45.820 um,

05:40:47.060 I,

05:40:47.620 I'm completely confident

05:40:49.380 in my ability

05:40:49.960 to manipulate

05:40:50.700 and control

05:40:51.420 through science.

05:40:52.520 Okay.

05:40:53.280 But,

05:40:53.720 yeah.

05:40:54.880 Can I,

05:40:55.360 can you do

05:40:55.920 like the Hulk Hogan

05:40:57.020 and then like,

05:40:58.520 uh,

05:40:58.860 like,

05:40:59.840 yeah,

05:41:00.100 brother.

05:41:03.880 Okay.

05:41:04.480 Sorry.

05:41:04.940 Sorry.

05:41:05.480 That was,

05:41:05.840 that was ridiculous.

05:41:06.700 Ask.

05:41:07.060 Um,

05:41:07.460 yeah.

05:41:07.960 Yeah.

05:41:08.120 Okay.

05:41:08.500 Um,

05:41:09.160 better looking in 10 years

05:41:10.800 for you?

05:41:11.460 Um,

05:41:11.740 no,

05:41:11.960 I don't think so.

05:41:12.640 Okay.

05:41:12.800 And you're 31,

05:41:13.360 better looking at,

05:41:14.060 uh,

05:41:14.360 21.

05:41:15.160 Uh,

05:41:15.320 probably.

05:41:15.840 Yeah.

05:41:15.980 Okay.

05:41:16.460 You're 31,

05:41:17.420 right?

05:41:17.940 31.

05:41:18.480 Were you better looking,

05:41:19.500 uh,

05:41:19.740 better looking at 41?

05:41:21.400 Will you be better looking at 41?

05:41:22.780 Yeah.

05:41:23.760 Uh,

05:41:24.080 51.

05:41:24.880 Yeah.

05:41:25.580 Yes.

05:41:25.940 All the way through 71.

05:41:28.440 Yes.

05:41:28.880 81.

05:41:29.680 It's before organic.

05:41:31.580 And I think 91 natural people,

05:41:33.960 you know,

05:41:34.240 101.

05:41:34.920 Okay.

05:41:35.220 No,

05:41:35.520 no.

05:41:35.840 At that point I'll say no,

05:41:37.260 but just to be clear.

05:41:38.100 So you're 31.

05:41:39.340 You think you'll be better looking at 51 than you are now at 31?

05:41:43.920 Yeah.

05:41:44.680 There's a lot of very good looking 50 year olds.

05:41:47.040 My goodness.

05:41:48.420 But I mean,

05:41:48.940 I hope to be on that echelon.

05:41:50.500 However,

05:41:51.620 like compared to now,

05:41:52.960 maybe,

05:41:53.780 but you know what?

05:41:54.520 I'm going to love myself.

05:41:55.280 Nonetheless,

05:41:55.700 if you're a one right now,

05:41:56.720 what will you be when you're 50?

05:41:57.920 Oh my gosh.

05:41:58.940 What number?

05:41:59.400 How about this?

05:42:00.780 Now I'm confused.

05:42:02.420 Were you better looking 10 years ago at 21?

05:42:05.120 I don't think so.

05:42:06.660 Better looking now.

05:42:07.380 Okay.

05:42:07.720 Well,

05:42:08.280 you know,

05:42:08.640 we're a little fun segment here.

05:42:11.080 We've AI aged advanced all of you.

05:42:13.920 So we're going to pull that up super quick.

05:42:15.900 We have a message.

05:42:19.360 Hold on.

05:42:20.160 Felicity,

05:42:20.660 can I have you read this?

05:42:22.080 To Taylor,

05:42:22.900 lift in chair six.

05:42:23.920 Your physique is incredible.

05:42:25.300 You've worked hard and it's paid off.

05:42:27.420 Thank you.

05:42:27.860 Chepsky.

05:42:30.540 Thank you for that,

05:42:31.040 man.

05:42:31.180 Appreciate the message.

05:42:32.540 And then we have one more from

05:42:34.040 JM Bain.

05:42:37.400 If you can read this one.

05:42:38.520 Change my mind.

05:42:39.280 The lift of adulthood.

05:42:40.200 When you can sign contacts,

05:42:42.740 join the military,

05:42:43.760 own firearms,

05:42:44.600 drink alcohol,

05:42:45.260 drive a car,

05:42:45.900 et cetera,

05:42:46.400 should be raised to 25 because that's when the brain finishes maturing.

05:42:52.580 Interesting.

05:42:53.380 Thank you for the message.

05:42:55.640 Nick,

05:42:56.160 go ahead.

05:42:56.540 We're going to pull up all the age advancements right now.

05:43:02.840 Oh,

05:43:03.460 okay.

05:43:06.760 I think you look adorable.

05:43:08.220 Next.

05:43:08.920 Thanks.

05:43:10.380 Oh,

05:43:10.780 hell yeah.

05:43:11.480 Yeah.

05:43:11.640 You're going to age beautifully.

05:43:13.060 Damn.

05:43:13.860 He's going to look exactly the same.

05:43:15.480 Watch.

05:43:15.840 He's going to look exactly the same.

05:43:18.220 Next.

05:43:20.380 Oh,

05:43:20.580 whoops.

05:43:21.740 Yeah.

05:43:21.860 I like it.

05:43:25.680 What?

05:43:26.000 Like a mafia.

05:43:27.280 It's actually an awesome picture of you.

05:43:28.820 Dude,

05:43:28.940 you're about to fucking,

05:43:30.420 you're about to break the board.

05:43:34.120 We'll be breaking boards at 80.

05:43:35.740 Let's go.

05:43:37.640 Oh,

05:43:38.140 you said,

05:43:39.920 oh,

05:43:40.200 that's like maybe 71,

05:43:42.220 81 there.

05:43:43.880 I think she's a cutie patootie.

05:43:45.500 All right.

05:43:45.860 Love it.

05:43:46.540 Next.

05:43:48.180 Oh,

05:43:48.640 I really liked this segment.

05:43:50.500 I really liked it last time too.

05:43:51.940 Yeah,

05:43:52.100 it's fun.

05:43:52.640 It's cute.

05:43:53.700 Next.

05:43:55.860 You're still going to be buff.

05:43:56.980 You're still going to be jacked.

05:43:58.000 Oh,

05:43:58.600 wait,

05:43:58.880 wait.

05:44:00.240 Do we have,

05:44:00.840 do you have the,

05:44:01.720 the other thing,

05:44:02.720 Nick,

05:44:02.860 really quick since we're on her?

05:44:05.020 No,

05:44:05.400 no,

05:44:05.520 no.

05:44:05.760 The,

05:44:06.080 the cartoon.

05:44:08.460 Oh,

05:44:08.760 I saw that.

05:44:11.720 Did you cartoon us?

05:44:12.840 I'll give you a second.

05:44:15.020 You got it here really quick.

05:44:17.320 Oh,

05:44:17.560 that's awesome.

05:44:20.080 I like it.

05:44:21.440 And then,

05:44:22.300 yeah,

05:44:22.600 the other one too.

05:44:25.260 Sick.

05:44:26.300 I like those.

05:44:27.260 Thank you.

05:44:27.620 There you go.

05:44:28.280 There you go.

05:44:28.720 We'll send it to you if you want.

05:44:31.720 And then you're,

05:44:32.740 let me know when you're back.

05:44:34.300 You're good.

05:44:35.040 Okay.

05:44:37.140 Oh,

05:44:37.540 not pleased.

05:44:39.660 I don't understand why we're not happy about this.

05:44:43.860 Okay.

05:44:44.280 Next.

05:44:46.660 Dude,

05:44:47.020 we're all going to age adorably.

05:44:48.480 I look like a dude.

05:44:49.280 No,

05:44:49.660 you don't.

05:44:50.320 Wait,

05:44:50.580 it's because your hair's pulled back.

05:44:52.080 It's just because my hair's pulled back.

05:44:53.140 It gave you a receding hairline.

05:44:55.280 Next.

05:44:57.020 Okay.

05:44:58.160 I like that you're cross-eyed in it.

05:44:59.980 Oh,

05:45:00.280 wow.

05:45:01.840 Noah.

05:45:02.320 Wait,

05:45:02.500 pull that one back up.

05:45:03.000 What do you mean?

05:45:03.380 I look like my old man.

05:45:04.360 The middle one looks like Russell Crowe.

05:45:06.340 You're going to age very well.

05:45:07.540 You have darker blue eyes,

05:45:09.340 Andrew.

05:45:09.540 They like gave you ice gray eyes that are quite striking.

05:45:14.980 I like that the microphone becomes part of your face in the last one.

05:45:17.180 That is true.

05:45:19.420 Do you think I'll get the old man voice where you're like,

05:45:23.060 oh,

05:45:23.720 wouldn't you talk?

05:45:24.620 I hope so.

05:45:25.460 That's half the joy of it.

05:45:26.100 The old man voice for sure.

05:45:28.460 Oh boy.

05:45:29.100 I don't understand these fucking kids.

05:45:30.700 Next.

05:45:32.280 Damn.

05:45:32.880 You're going to age adorably.

05:45:33.860 What do you mean?

05:45:34.940 Yeah.

05:45:36.440 Nice.

05:45:37.320 The white looks nice.

05:45:38.580 You're going to be here with both of us looking like that in fucking 40 years.

05:45:41.860 Imagine that shit.

05:45:43.840 Okay.

05:45:44.780 I will be remiss.

05:45:46.060 I have to ask,

05:45:47.020 and this is only because the fucking chat keeps getting flooded with it until I ask.

05:45:50.820 They won't shut the fuck up about it.

05:45:52.880 You're not a T,

05:45:53.800 right?

05:45:54.680 Not a what?

05:45:55.300 A T.

05:45:55.920 No.

05:45:56.360 Okay.

05:45:57.100 Thank you.

05:45:57.720 It's a woman,

05:45:58.120 Andrew.

05:45:58.620 What the fuck?

05:45:59.080 Bro.

05:46:00.220 Sorry.

05:46:00.800 The chat won't shut the fuck up.

05:46:02.500 Okay.

05:46:02.940 Now you know.

05:46:03.380 It's Instagram's favorite.

05:46:04.740 She is a woman.

05:46:09.100 Female.

05:46:09.700 I can prove it.

05:46:10.300 Right?

05:46:11.020 You can prove it.

05:46:12.420 We all get banned.

05:46:13.280 She's going to whip out the giant clip.

05:46:14.520 That's what she's going to do.

05:46:15.320 Oh my God.

05:46:17.200 Because of the.

05:46:19.080 Just put ones in the fucking chat.

05:46:20.640 I asked.

05:46:21.440 Just,

05:46:21.760 I did.

05:46:22.700 Okay.

05:46:23.180 So just put the ones in.

05:46:24.460 I did.

05:46:25.540 Oh,

05:46:25.980 and then we've,

05:46:26.820 we've gender swapped all of you.

05:46:29.200 So.

05:46:30.320 Oh.

05:46:31.660 Yeah.

05:46:32.440 You got that?

05:46:35.180 Whoa.

05:46:36.980 So the question is,

05:46:38.160 would you date the male version of you?

05:46:41.040 His features look all warped and stuff

05:46:42.800 because of the filter.

05:46:44.000 Yeah,

05:46:44.220 but you've got to use your imagination.

05:46:46.400 You've got to suspend disbelief a little bit.

05:46:48.740 It's AI,

05:46:49.680 you know.

05:46:50.600 It's not bad.

05:46:51.220 Squint and decide.

05:46:52.800 Be charitable with it.

05:46:53.920 Yeah,

05:46:54.120 maybe.

05:46:54.520 Sure.

05:46:55.700 He's decent looking.

05:46:57.640 Okay.

05:46:58.140 Next.

05:47:01.540 Wow.

05:47:02.960 Okay.

05:47:03.580 There you go.

05:47:04.580 What's with the beard though?

05:47:06.920 You don't think I'd be masculine?

05:47:08.720 Just a ginger without the beard?

05:47:10.640 Oh yeah.

05:47:10.980 The beard needed to be a ginger.

05:47:11.720 I think the AI knows you're not a redhead.

05:47:13.760 I think that's what it is.

05:47:15.220 AI knows you're not a redhead.

05:47:16.380 If you weren't married.

05:47:19.160 I think it's pretty cute.

05:47:22.600 Okay.

05:47:22.980 All right.

05:47:23.420 Next.

05:47:24.180 Oh,

05:47:24.580 whoa.

05:47:24.920 Okay.

05:47:25.680 Oh,

05:47:25.860 she's beautiful.

05:47:26.440 Calm down.

05:47:27.240 Damn.

05:47:28.100 Holy shit.

05:47:28.620 Calm down.

05:47:29.320 I probably would not.

05:47:31.980 She doesn't like Asian girls.

05:47:32.700 You should have seen the way that Brian looked right then.

05:47:35.380 He was,

05:47:35.800 wow.

05:47:37.740 I mean.

05:47:38.180 Saw this light sparkle in his eye for a second.

05:47:40.420 So no,

05:47:43.340 you don't like Asian?

05:47:45.160 Not as much.

05:47:46.160 Intimally.

05:47:46.700 Intimally.

05:47:47.020 Oh,

05:47:47.180 sorry.

05:47:47.440 Not as much.

05:47:48.100 Yeah.

05:47:49.160 Next.

05:47:51.160 Oh.

05:47:51.480 Like a son.

05:47:52.420 What is that?

05:47:53.520 I would date him.

05:47:54.600 He's cute.

05:47:55.500 Wait,

05:47:55.720 he's really fine.

05:47:56.400 Hello.

05:47:57.840 Would you date him?

05:47:58.860 That's like my type.

05:48:01.660 Okay.

05:48:02.560 Next.

05:48:05.960 Aw.

05:48:08.060 I wouldn't date him.

05:48:09.100 I think he's cute,

05:48:09.980 but he's not my type at all.

05:48:11.320 Wait,

05:48:11.500 you would or wouldn't?

05:48:12.460 I wouldn't.

05:48:13.080 No,

05:48:13.300 just because he's too dorky.

05:48:14.480 He's going to be thumping about some Protestant Bible stuff by tomorrow.

05:48:17.440 why is my photo so butchered?

05:48:19.200 I feel like it was like bad from the start.

05:48:23.920 Yeah.

05:48:24.040 I don't know why it made you so red.

05:48:25.100 Because it didn't look like that in the video.

05:48:27.380 He's going to tell you that his interpretation is that you can have female pastors.

05:48:30.820 I guarantee it.

05:48:32.240 I guarantee it.

05:48:33.160 The hair is just horrible.

05:48:34.740 I like guys with long hair,

05:48:35.940 like dreads,

05:48:36.640 specifically dreads.

05:48:37.540 Dreads.

05:48:39.160 Oh.

05:48:39.840 Oh,

05:48:40.120 hey.

05:48:40.340 You're catching my drift.

05:48:44.500 I mean.

05:48:45.560 He's hot.

05:48:46.420 I feel like the base,

05:48:47.580 I could accept that.

05:48:48.480 What the fuck is wrong with the side of his head?

05:48:51.400 Don't look at that.

05:48:51.760 I mean,

05:48:52.080 I can't suspend disbelief that much,

05:48:54.320 bro.

05:48:54.780 He's like,

05:48:55.280 he's missing your arm.

05:48:55.700 He literally looks like he's been boxing for way too long.

05:48:59.300 He probably had his mic tights in.

05:49:00.920 Yeah,

05:49:01.060 he's got some serious problems,

05:49:02.620 this guy.

05:49:03.120 He looks like Tito Ortiz.

05:49:04.160 Yeah.

05:49:04.360 The Tito Ortiz,

05:49:05.660 if he got his side of his face bashed in,

05:49:07.500 maybe.

05:49:08.720 He's beautiful though.

05:49:10.220 Thank you.

05:49:15.400 Next.

05:49:18.360 Yeah,

05:49:18.820 I would date him.

05:49:20.500 He does look like that one guy,

05:49:22.480 Glenn or whatever.

05:49:25.080 I think that guy's more attractive than Glenn Powell.

05:49:28.420 Okay.

05:49:28.820 Next.

05:49:32.500 I feel like I've seen this person before.

05:49:35.700 Would you date the male version of you?

05:49:38.400 Sure.

05:49:39.720 Why does he have a stigma?

05:49:43.100 There's like,

05:49:43.860 see the eye?

05:49:44.800 It's like,

05:49:45.180 well,

05:49:45.360 what the fuck is wrong with him?

05:49:47.060 One eye's bigger than the other.

05:49:48.180 He's got it.

05:49:48.420 Well,

05:49:48.580 no,

05:49:48.800 it's just like one's looking at another person besides the one he's looking at.

05:49:53.400 Next.

05:49:55.720 Okay.

05:49:56.040 Okay.

05:49:56.680 Oh.

05:49:59.400 She's really cute.

05:50:00.360 It gave you lipstick.

05:50:01.900 The one on the right.

05:50:03.760 I needed,

05:50:04.620 I needed the makeup.

05:50:05.780 Let's be real.

05:50:07.320 Next.

05:50:09.620 Yikes.

05:50:10.640 Whoa.

05:50:11.000 What do you mean?

05:50:11.900 Whoa.

05:50:13.100 I don't understand your taste.

05:50:16.980 Yeah.

05:50:17.720 I'd date her.

05:50:18.480 Yeah.

05:50:18.880 She's cute.

05:50:21.660 What do you mean?

05:50:22.440 That's,

05:50:22.700 that's from the podcast.

05:50:24.220 That's not from this show.

05:50:25.800 Well,

05:50:26.000 it's not from this episode,

05:50:27.080 but why they don't want to redo it every.

05:50:29.300 Can someone render the AI version of my female self blonde?

05:50:32.780 And then I can reassess.

05:50:34.180 Then I can reassess.

05:50:35.120 You need a blonde woman.

05:50:36.180 I see.

05:50:36.600 It's got to be blonde.

05:50:38.900 Okay.

05:50:39.260 We're going to get,

05:50:41.260 finish off the notes.

05:50:42.260 Let's try to get things.

05:50:44.480 Let's see.

05:50:45.160 Did you want to do the dating part?

05:50:47.220 Dating?

05:50:48.240 Remember,

05:50:48.520 we're going to pull up Instagram.

05:50:50.280 Yes.

05:50:50.740 Thank you.

05:50:51.080 We'll do that super quick.

05:50:52.060 Okay.

05:50:52.240 So I'm going to show you two Twitch streamers,

05:50:54.820 uh,

05:50:55.380 two male Twitch streamers.

05:50:57.340 Oh,

05:50:57.500 I shouldn't have said that.

05:50:59.060 Ah,

05:50:59.460 shit.

05:51:00.300 It's okay.

05:51:00.900 We can still do it,

05:51:01.900 but it,

05:51:02.640 whatever.

05:51:02.920 It doesn't really matter that much.

05:51:03.980 The question is,

05:51:04.960 uh,

05:51:05.460 and if you're in a relationship,

05:51:08.080 you could be a good support and answer,

05:51:10.460 but if you're,

05:51:11.480 you know,

05:51:11.740 you're in a relationship,

05:51:12.900 you don't have to answer.

05:51:14.680 Um,

05:51:15.820 but you can,

05:51:16.960 would you date the following person?

05:51:22.240 Uh,

05:51:23.400 so scroll up a little bit,

05:51:25.040 scroll up.

05:51:27.060 So click the photo with the ax.

05:51:31.060 Okay.

05:51:32.020 X out of that.

05:51:33.300 He looks well adjusted.

05:51:34.340 Scroll up,

05:51:35.360 scroll up.

05:51:37.100 Let's keep,

05:51:37.420 just scroll up.

05:51:38.640 So this guy,

05:51:39.480 Zach,

05:51:39.940 his name's Zach.

05:51:41.480 Uh,

05:51:42.120 he,

05:51:42.620 uh,

05:51:43.680 he's a good guy.

05:51:47.320 Good guy.

05:51:48.180 Good man.

05:51:48.600 Good guy.

05:51:49.740 Um,

05:51:50.180 play his video games a lot.

05:51:52.820 Yeah.

05:51:53.060 He does play a lot of video games,

05:51:54.480 a lot of video games.

05:51:56.400 Uh,

05:51:56.920 he doesn't have that ax though.

05:51:58.100 So he could protect you around the table.

05:52:00.300 I'm trying to set.

05:52:01.460 He's,

05:52:01.900 he's my,

05:52:02.480 you know,

05:52:02.740 I,

05:52:03.040 he's my homey.

05:52:03.800 So I'm trying to set him up with a lady friend.

05:52:06.320 Would you,

05:52:07.460 would you date?

05:52:08.820 No,

05:52:09.240 no,

05:52:09.660 you wouldn't date him.

05:52:10.700 Well,

05:52:11.040 he doesn't run from rats.

05:52:12.440 So I say,

05:52:12.920 yes,

05:52:13.200 he's not a roach.

05:52:15.000 Yeah.

05:52:15.340 He doesn't run for the rats.

05:52:16.500 Remember?

05:52:16.880 Yeah.

05:52:17.360 So coexists.

05:52:18.760 Uh,

05:52:19.160 I don't know.

05:52:19.600 I guess I could ask you.

05:52:21.140 I mean,

05:52:21.380 if you're,

05:52:22.080 if I was a girl,

05:52:22.760 probably not.

05:52:23.260 Or gay,

05:52:23.600 I guess.

05:52:24.600 No.

05:52:25.680 Uh,

05:52:26.080 what about you?

05:52:26.760 Yeah,

05:52:26.940 I think so.

05:52:27.520 You date them.

05:52:28.140 Okay.

05:52:28.280 Oh,

05:52:29.080 really?

05:52:32.880 Love is blind.

05:52:33.880 I have a boyfriend.

05:52:35.360 Oh,

05:52:35.820 right.

05:52:36.300 Sorry.

05:52:36.900 Sorry.

05:52:37.240 It's for the fun of the game.

05:52:38.000 You would date everybody.

05:52:39.380 Remember?

05:52:40.000 Would you date him?

05:52:41.020 I don't know.

05:52:42.340 He'd have to be like,

05:52:43.460 have an interesting personality.

05:52:45.300 He's,

05:52:45.580 he does have an interesting personality.

05:52:47.220 He showers regularly,

05:52:48.500 right?

05:52:49.540 Uh,

05:52:50.020 debatable.

05:52:50.800 That's debatable.

05:52:51.200 I should ask that first.

05:52:52.940 That's like,

05:52:53.480 my one thing is like,

05:52:54.380 he looks cute,

05:52:55.200 but I just didn't know if he was clean.

05:52:56.520 He looks cute.

05:52:57.320 So if he showers though.

05:52:58.660 But if he's clean,

05:52:59.600 well,

05:52:59.800 yeah.

05:53:00.080 He's clean.

05:53:00.780 When you're a woman,

05:53:01.900 you have to be with men who take care of themselves.

05:53:03.220 Well,

05:53:03.340 let's assume he is clean.

05:53:04.480 Would you date him?

05:53:05.520 Yeah.

05:53:06.100 All right.

05:53:06.700 All right.

05:53:07.400 There we go.

05:53:07.760 He brushed his hair more.

05:53:08.220 Would you,

05:53:08.660 would you date him?

05:53:09.480 No.

05:53:10.220 You don't,

05:53:10.580 you don't want to just crush that guy?

05:53:12.520 I don't know.

05:53:13.100 Oh my God.

05:53:15.020 Brian,

05:53:15.340 I want to be dominated.

05:53:16.960 You want to be done.

05:53:17.740 I do.

05:53:18.180 It's all order.

05:53:19.120 You just looked me up and down.

05:53:20.360 I do.

05:53:20.880 Whoa.

05:53:21.280 No.

05:53:22.440 I was just like,

05:53:23.620 I feel like,

05:53:24.440 just how much do you,

05:53:27.000 is it appropriate to ask how much you weigh?

05:53:28.860 I feel like normally that's a rude task.

05:53:30.200 Why don't I feel like for a bodybuilder,

05:53:32.020 it's kind of okay.

05:53:32.540 That's fine.

05:53:33.340 How much do you weigh?

05:53:35.480 160.

05:53:36.800 My last check-in,

05:53:37.760 I was like 168.

05:53:39.360 168?

05:53:39.840 Yeah.

05:53:40.420 Or the body fat of?

05:53:42.400 I don't know.

05:53:45.460 Probably like 16 or something right now.

05:53:47.020 You want to be dominated.

05:53:48.440 Yes.

05:53:49.280 So like you want to be ravaged?

05:53:52.100 Yes.

05:53:53.420 Ravished?

05:53:54.580 Ravished?

05:53:55.220 Ravished.

05:53:55.660 You were ravished.

05:53:56.500 Ravished.

05:53:57.380 Radish?

05:53:57.900 I don't know.

05:53:58.340 Ravished.

05:53:58.760 Can you eat that on your diet?

05:54:00.760 Radishes?

05:54:01.400 Yeah.

05:54:01.620 Radishes.

05:54:04.480 I'm guessing it's mostly meat-based.

05:54:06.700 So do you,

05:54:07.300 question though,

05:54:07.860 would you date a non-bodybuilder?

05:54:10.040 Yes.

05:54:11.280 It would have to be.

05:54:11.880 But like you could outlift them.

05:54:13.680 How do you do that?

05:54:15.300 No,

05:54:15.620 I would,

05:54:17.860 by non-bodybuilder,

05:54:18.940 still someone who's extremely fit

05:54:20.480 and disciplined in all areas.

05:54:23.240 Okay.

05:54:23.440 Not necessarily.

05:54:24.620 Like lifting.

05:54:25.560 So they could be athletic.

05:54:26.800 Like be a cyclist.

05:54:27.340 They have to be athletic.

05:54:28.620 They'd have to know how to take care of themselves.

05:54:30.280 Have to like have the discipline of a bodybuilder,

05:54:32.700 but applied across the board to different areas of their life.

05:54:36.220 But what if you still squat more than them?

05:54:38.980 Is that a problem?

05:54:40.400 Like what if your legs are bigger than theirs?

05:54:42.940 They won't be.

05:54:44.620 Wait.

05:54:46.020 She won't date anyone with smaller legs.

05:54:47.600 Oh,

05:54:47.760 you're saying it's hard to find a guy who has legs bigger than yours.

05:54:51.760 Is that what you're saying?

05:54:52.540 No.

05:54:52.900 No.

05:54:53.380 You're saying the opposite.

05:54:54.480 I'm saying my pool for who I'm interested in is very small.

05:54:58.080 So their legs have to be bigger than yours?

05:55:01.520 They would be if I'm interested.

05:55:03.260 Well,

05:55:03.520 yeah.

05:55:03.760 Okay.

05:55:04.080 Yeah.

05:55:04.280 What about arms?

05:55:05.260 Arms have to be bigger than yours?

05:55:07.420 Cause like you got some.

05:55:08.460 I do.

05:55:08.900 I have really big arms.

05:55:10.180 I,

05:55:10.460 which I,

05:55:11.080 I love them for the purpose that they have,

05:55:14.320 but I don't want to keep them forever.

05:55:16.240 Um,

05:55:17.240 no,

05:55:17.600 I could have arms probably equivalent to the size of mine.

05:55:20.160 I feel like that's,

05:55:22.100 but again,

05:55:22.560 they'd probably be bigger.

05:55:23.980 Yes.

05:55:24.520 But so I feel like with the muscle mommy girls or whatever,

05:55:27.720 um,

05:55:29.060 I don't know if you take the weight of what,

05:55:31.680 the what muscle mom.

05:55:33.100 What the fuck is that?

05:55:34.300 I don't like,

05:55:35.760 I think that term is gross.

05:55:37.900 Like I,

05:55:38.220 I think it's gross too,

05:55:39.540 but I,

05:55:39.900 people use it or whatever.

05:55:40.720 What,

05:55:40.960 what,

05:55:41.240 what is it?

05:55:42.980 Um,

05:55:43.380 a muscle muscular muscle.

05:55:46.060 Like fit chicks.

05:55:47.080 They call themselves muscle mommies.

05:55:48.440 I just,

05:55:49.020 I,

05:55:49.260 I feel like I'm,

05:55:50.160 you know how girls I feel like I'm doing a different thing.

05:55:53.460 It's a zoomer thing.

05:55:55.340 I personally,

05:55:56.200 I think the daddy thing is kind of weird.

05:55:57.700 It's like a dominant.

05:55:58.380 I can comment.

05:55:59.420 I don't think the master thinks he's the nuke.

05:56:01.620 Where is it?

05:56:02.100 What?

05:56:03.360 The,

05:56:03.700 Oh,

05:56:04.100 the nuke.

05:56:04.600 The nuke.

05:56:05.320 Here,

05:56:05.500 hold on.

05:56:06.520 Send it.

05:56:07.280 Yes.

05:56:08.420 Send the nuke.

05:56:09.360 Muscle mommy.

05:56:11.320 Good Lord.

05:56:12.200 Destroyed.

05:56:12.760 Um,

05:56:13.100 but basically I'm a very dominant person,

05:56:16.020 but in a relationship,

05:56:18.000 I,

05:56:18.580 yes,

05:56:18.960 yes.

05:56:20.060 Like just be my master,

05:56:22.560 you know,

05:56:23.280 to go back there.

05:56:26.360 She has a high bar for what's worthy of master,

05:56:28.360 you know?

05:56:28.640 Cause I've heard these dudes who are like,

05:56:30.540 I want you to like,

05:56:33.320 squish,

05:56:33.840 squish my head with your thoughts.

05:56:35.840 That kind of weird shit.

05:56:37.340 So gross.

05:56:38.340 Okay.

05:56:39.160 You wouldn't want that.

05:56:40.100 No.

05:56:40.540 Okay.

05:56:41.420 No.

05:56:42.460 So not as men goal or a Zach.

05:56:44.480 You wouldn't date Zach.

05:56:45.900 No,

05:56:46.300 I'm sure he's a sweet guy.

05:56:47.300 What if he,

05:56:47.880 what if he started like getting his squat up there?

05:56:50.820 Like,

05:56:51.220 would you maybe like if he was ripped or whatever?

05:56:53.980 Could I,

05:56:54.640 okay.

05:56:55.280 Sorry,

05:56:55.700 Zach.

05:56:56.040 Uh,

05:56:56.280 what about you?

05:56:56.740 Would you date Zach?

05:56:57.920 Um,

05:56:58.240 I didn't see Zach.

05:56:59.100 Can I,

05:56:59.880 Oh,

05:57:00.140 was she away?

05:57:01.020 I was in the bathroom.

05:57:01.640 Oh,

05:57:01.980 okay.

05:57:02.660 Um,

05:57:03.300 yeah,

05:57:03.600 sure.

05:57:04.560 Show him,

05:57:04.860 show him really quick.

05:57:06.760 When you,

05:57:07.140 would you date him?

05:57:07.960 Um,

05:57:08.360 probably not.

05:57:10.040 Okay.

05:57:10.700 Um,

05:57:11.280 would you date him if you were single?

05:57:13.900 If I was single.

05:57:15.440 Yeah.

05:57:16.220 Um,

05:57:18.300 only if he's too attuned with onyxia.

05:57:20.940 What's that?

05:57:22.100 It's a wild joke.

05:57:23.560 Oh,

05:57:24.420 okay.

05:57:24.920 That's a good one.

05:57:26.080 What does that mean?

05:57:27.540 What's that?

05:57:28.260 What does that mean?

05:57:29.200 It's part of World of Warcraft.

05:57:31.120 He's a World of Warcraft.

05:57:31.720 He is a World of Warcraft streamer and it,

05:57:34.100 it's an RPG.

05:57:35.540 So I,

05:57:36.060 um,

05:57:36.640 M-M-O-R-P-G.

05:57:38.300 Uh,

05:57:38.680 and it takes.

05:57:39.540 Um,

05:57:39.620 and then one more guy we have to show you.

05:57:42.020 Um,

05:57:42.300 I'm trying to get this guy set up.

05:57:43.680 He's had some issues.

05:57:45.080 He's had legal issues with one of his exes and he's,

05:57:48.040 he's been through the ringer.

05:57:49.420 This next guy I'm about to show you really been through the ringer.

05:57:52.020 I'm trying to set him up with maybe one of the nice gals on the panel tonight.

05:57:55.880 So I'm going to show you and you tell me if you're interested and I'll get you guys,

05:57:59.020 set up.

05:58:00.140 Pull it up.

05:58:00.740 All right.

05:58:02.740 Scroll up.

05:58:03.760 Scroll up.

05:58:05.400 All right.

05:58:06.160 So,

05:58:06.700 um,

05:58:07.480 this is,

05:58:07.840 his name's Felix.

05:58:09.560 His name's Felix.

05:58:11.740 Great guy.

05:58:12.520 Nice guy.

05:58:13.800 You know,

05:58:14.140 he does abuse his ADHD medication a little bit.

05:58:17.680 He's a great guy.

05:58:19.160 Very nice.

05:58:19.860 Very friendly.

05:58:21.120 Um,

05:58:21.560 and,

05:58:22.280 uh,

05:58:23.160 he's not,

05:58:23.720 he's like a handsome guy,

05:58:25.380 you know,

05:58:25.560 he's not bad looking,

05:58:26.500 you know?

05:58:28.160 Anyways.

05:58:28.680 Uh,

05:58:28.880 so the question is,

05:58:29.780 would you date him?

05:58:30.840 It's better than the last one,

05:58:31.800 but still no,

05:58:32.400 still,

05:58:32.740 still no.

05:58:33.240 Why do you make the face when you say that's kind of rude?

05:58:35.720 I just like his style.

05:58:36.940 He looks like very much like a gamer boy.

05:58:39.200 He just like stays in day all day.

05:58:40.720 Yeah.

05:58:41.680 Yeah.

05:58:41.960 True.

05:58:42.280 Yeah.

05:58:42.460 It's not really my type,

05:58:43.560 but he's like good looking.

05:58:44.300 I might've at one point before I saw what he likes to wear,

05:58:49.340 uh,

05:58:49.860 his personal like clothing style.

05:58:52.080 He likes to wear clothes,

05:58:52.940 like somebody like either jizzed on him or like a bird shat on him.

05:58:56.620 So that made me really question his,

05:58:58.600 uh,

05:58:58.760 sense of judgment.

05:58:59.560 So for that reason,

05:59:00.100 no.

05:59:01.160 Yeah.

05:59:02.020 Wow.

05:59:02.840 Yeah.

05:59:04.240 X,

05:59:04.820 uh,

05:59:05.160 uh,

05:59:05.620 Felix wears clothes that were shat on by birds,

05:59:09.520 but like not actual birds,

05:59:11.700 like your runway.

05:59:13.020 Yeah.

05:59:13.100 It's like,

05:59:13.380 at least he actually has birds that shat on him.

05:59:15.340 Right.

05:59:16.060 It's not like choosing to get fake clothes.

05:59:18.220 It looked like it happened.

05:59:19.460 It's weird.

05:59:20.080 Uh,

05:59:20.280 what about you?

05:59:20.720 Would you date him?

05:59:21.420 Yeah.

05:59:21.660 If I liked his personality.

05:59:23.100 Okay.

05:59:23.640 Would you,

05:59:24.080 would you date him?

05:59:25.980 No,

05:59:26.360 he looks like,

05:59:26.860 like a team of Justin Bieber.

05:59:29.240 Team Justin Bieber.

05:59:30.260 Would you date him?

05:59:30.700 Brutal.

05:59:31.100 No.

05:59:31.580 Would you date him?

05:59:32.460 Yeah.

05:59:32.660 But am I going to have to deal with the legal stuff?

05:59:35.520 No,

05:59:36.080 no,

05:59:36.460 no,

05:59:36.560 no.

05:59:37.320 Would you date him?

05:59:38.360 I'm demisexual.

05:59:39.040 So there's a chance.

05:59:41.460 Okay.

05:59:42.500 All right.

05:59:43.100 I'll sit.

05:59:43.540 I'll try to get you guys set up after the show.

05:59:46.620 And what the fuck is a demisexual?

05:59:49.040 What is that?

05:59:49.880 You're a sapiosexual demisexual.

05:59:52.320 Yeah,

05:59:52.460 but what?

05:59:52.920 Okay.

05:59:53.060 Okay.

05:59:53.260 Let me explain.

05:59:53.780 I just wanted to do that as contrast.

05:59:55.340 So demisexual is emotional driven attraction.

05:59:57.640 And then sapiosexual is intellectual driven attraction.

06:00:02.540 It's very simple.

06:00:04.100 I'm a sapiosexual.

06:00:05.300 So I don't,

06:00:06.060 I typically don't care what people like look like,

06:00:08.480 but I can't vibe with guys who like,

06:00:10.420 you're all homosexual.

06:00:11.380 I don't have no opinions.

06:00:12.340 Can't talk.

06:00:12.900 It's fucking ridiculous.

06:00:14.360 Like,

06:00:14.560 and I'm more likely to be like,

06:00:15.620 I don't care about that guy.

06:00:16.580 I have a same of this sexual,

06:00:18.520 I'm of that sex.

06:00:19.140 Come on.

06:00:19.820 Or like,

06:00:19.900 have witty banter.

06:00:21.100 Like that gets me going more than like somebody having a lot of muscle or like.

06:00:24.540 Yeah,

06:00:24.760 I know.

06:00:25.120 They're really hot guys.

06:00:26.240 That doesn't do it for me.

06:00:27.340 It's a really witty banner from the ugly fuckers that do it.

06:00:31.320 I don't like men who feel like they can over like,

06:00:33.700 like take over me or like,

06:00:35.860 I wouldn't be able to like,

06:00:36.700 cause I've been in a lot of abusive relationships so that I don't have a desire to be with a man who's like super big because if things did get bad one day,

06:00:44.400 I don't ever want to experience what I did.

06:00:45.640 What if he is extremely intelligent?

06:00:48.400 I don't know.

06:00:49.060 Again,

06:00:49.220 I still like,

06:00:49.800 I actually am talking to someone like very briefly who is like,

06:00:52.700 like much bigger,

06:00:53.840 but he is so smart for like the thought of like a big part of why I never even want to like hang out with him.

06:00:57.980 I did.

06:00:59.460 Like I said,

06:01:00.080 no,

06:01:00.380 I did try to like,

06:01:01.320 attack me or something,

06:01:02.280 you know,

06:01:02.560 cause I'm a jerk.

06:01:03.220 So it sounds like unconventional answers typically stem from trauma of some sort or low self esteem or something.

06:01:09.380 Uh,

06:01:09.820 here,

06:01:10.040 we're going to blast through these,

06:01:11.500 uh,

06:01:11.640 going around the table.

06:01:12.460 What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?

06:01:16.560 Um,

06:01:17.480 assuming that I make at least as much six figures.

06:01:20.320 Okay.

06:01:20.840 What about great?

06:01:22.060 I answered.

06:01:22.960 Wait,

06:01:23.040 hang on a second before I'm sorry,

06:01:24.960 before we get to you,

06:01:25.880 uh,

06:01:26.100 assuming you make the same amount,

06:01:29.960 let's assume you don't.

06:01:32.100 Then I would lower the threshold,

06:01:33.640 but I would also have to evaluate how much I'm making.

06:01:36.560 You're making nothing.

06:01:37.940 Oh,

06:01:38.900 then I wouldn't even try and date.

06:01:40.380 I would focus on trying to make some money.

06:01:41.780 Yeah.

06:01:41.900 But assuming this is so far removed from who I am and like my goals.

06:01:45.600 Yeah,

06:01:46.040 I get it.

06:01:46.500 But assuming you weren't making anything,

06:01:48.020 you found the love of your life.

06:01:49.520 How much would you want him to be making?

06:01:52.120 Sure.

06:01:52.500 Like 60 to 80,000.

06:01:54.260 Okay.

06:01:55.060 It also depends on where you're living.

06:01:56.800 I guess.

06:01:57.160 Yeah.

06:01:57.700 Then like 80,000.

06:01:58.920 Okay.

06:01:59.620 But I'd try and work.

06:02:01.160 Uh,

06:02:01.320 what about you?

06:02:01.960 Um,

06:02:02.380 I answered this for my pre-influencer self living in Texas with the middle class,

06:02:07.720 like lower middle class parents.

06:02:08.980 So I said 60,000.

06:02:12.520 Doesn't matter to me.

06:02:13.420 Doesn't matter to me.

06:02:16.140 Never matters to him.

06:02:17.460 Doesn't matter to me.

06:02:19.080 So you date a guy who works at McDonald's?

06:02:21.940 Yes.

06:02:22.440 Like marry him?

06:02:23.960 Um.

06:02:24.380 When you're 30?

06:02:26.480 Sure.

06:02:27.380 Okay.

06:02:27.700 I wouldn't be bothered by how much he was making.

06:02:29.380 I might be bothered if he was miserable working there,

06:02:31.760 if they were overworking him or,

06:02:33.680 you know,

06:02:34.280 if he didn't have any really real big goals with his life.

06:02:37.220 What about you?

06:02:38.280 Um,

06:02:38.640 I don't have a preference as long as at least it's full time and like hour combined.

06:02:42.540 Cause I'm 50,

06:02:43.660 50.

06:02:44.060 So as long as our combined incomes are reasonably supportive,

06:02:46.800 like I don't want to have to support a man again,

06:02:48.640 unless like we're married and like say something happens and like he needs me to take care of him.

06:02:53.320 I don't want to ever enter a relationship again.

06:02:55.600 Like being like the one who like buys everything from my partner and like they go to me for everything.

06:03:00.680 You know what I mean?

06:03:01.400 I want to be mutually exchanged.

06:03:03.180 So.

06:03:03.480 All right.

06:03:03.720 What about you?

06:03:05.000 I said two 50 K.

06:03:06.500 250,000.

06:03:08.080 Holy shit.

06:03:08.920 That's a lot of money.

06:03:10.040 Yeah.

06:03:10.660 Uh,

06:03:10.880 what about you?

06:03:11.320 50 K.

06:03:12.440 What about you?

06:03:14.460 Um,

06:03:15.240 I go off the triple A's attitude,

06:03:17.620 aptitude and assets.

06:03:18.880 I mean,

06:03:19.020 alignment.

06:03:20.600 How much does your husband make?

06:03:23.200 Um,

06:03:24.120 kind of a trick question.

06:03:25.440 He's like,

06:03:25.520 you're just,

06:03:26.320 oh,

06:03:26.920 okay.

06:03:27.140 He's,

06:03:27.480 he's an artist.

06:03:28.480 So it's,

06:03:29.120 it's not like,

06:03:29.840 so nothing.

06:03:33.080 If he asked you to marry him today though,

06:03:34.960 would you say yes?

06:03:36.460 Yeah.

06:03:36.840 Okay.

06:03:37.120 All right.

06:03:39.580 Um,

06:03:40.300 you said you had some disagreements with the show.

06:03:42.420 You just said yes.

06:03:43.740 What are those?

06:03:45.440 Or did we already get into those?

06:03:46.980 Maybe.

06:03:48.440 Um,

06:03:49.040 I don't remember getting into those.

06:03:51.140 Let's see.

06:03:53.980 Okay.

06:03:54.460 Before,

06:03:54.860 before we go,

06:03:55.620 uh,

06:03:56.020 go to mine.

06:03:56.640 Can I get some more water please?

06:03:58.100 Sorry.

06:03:58.880 Uh oh.

06:04:00.120 I'm parched.

06:04:01.280 Here we go.

06:04:05.820 Is that,

06:04:06.400 is that all the notes for you?

06:04:08.300 Okay.

06:04:08.540 Hello?

06:04:09.140 Okay.

06:04:09.700 Well,

06:04:10.460 sorry to be holding up the show folks.

06:04:14.380 Oh,

06:04:14.840 you're,

06:04:15.340 it's not just,

06:04:16.640 she has to go and get the water.

06:04:18.260 You need to wait to actually drink.

06:04:21.780 I was just wanting some time to figure it out,

06:04:24.440 but yeah,

06:04:24.800 I guess so.

06:04:26.020 All right.

06:04:27.600 Thank you.

06:04:29.300 Oh boy.

06:04:36.780 Um,

06:04:37.540 I,

06:04:40.580 I do apologize,

06:04:42.480 but can we go back to,

06:04:43.540 uh,

06:04:45.000 forced doctrine for a little bit?

06:04:47.360 I didn't get a chance to weigh in there.

06:04:49.140 Is that an issue with the show though?

06:04:50.840 Okay,

06:04:51.260 fine.

06:04:51.480 I mean,

06:04:51.720 if it's not the show,

06:04:52.800 then okay.

06:04:53.780 Um,

06:04:54.900 how about,

06:04:57.060 you know,

06:04:58.980 I see oftentimes with the show repeal the 19th amendment.

06:05:03.500 We can,

06:05:03.880 that's not my position or mine.

06:05:05.860 Alrighty.

06:05:06.500 Sorry.

06:05:06.840 My,

06:05:07.000 well,

06:05:07.380 it is kind of mine,

06:05:08.480 but for different reasons than it's most people's.

06:05:12.440 Okay.

06:05:13.880 What,

06:05:14.220 what,

06:05:14.540 what's an actual thing though?

06:05:15.920 Moving off of that.

06:05:17.360 Okay.

06:05:17.580 Not that one.

06:05:18.560 Um,

06:05:19.880 let's see.

06:05:22.340 The,

06:05:23.140 the,

06:05:23.960 the highest good is for a woman is to bear children.

06:05:28.200 I know we went over that,

06:05:29.540 but we,

06:05:30.440 okay.

06:05:30.600 Okay.

06:05:30.860 Fine.

06:05:31.240 Fine.

06:05:31.740 Um,

06:05:32.620 um,

06:05:36.060 um,

06:05:36.120 uh,

06:05:36.520 smoky man bad.

06:05:39.320 That's usually a good place to start.

06:05:42.400 I'm sorry.

06:05:43.180 Smoky man bad.

06:05:44.180 Here.

06:05:44.320 How about this?

06:05:44.740 You said in your notes,

06:05:45.660 that one's good.

06:05:46.140 A lot of men aren't worthy to submit to,

06:05:48.300 and you believe it's because women have become too entitled.

06:05:51.660 Yeah.

06:05:52.100 Okay.

06:05:52.320 Thank you for that.

06:05:53.360 I needed that.

06:05:54.080 Um,

06:05:55.640 yeah,

06:05:57.220 I think that nowadays we have a disparity of quality of,

06:06:06.800 of quality of dating.

06:06:08.480 And this goes for both sides,

06:06:09.820 like the,

06:06:10.240 the male and the female where females are looking for a,

06:06:19.720 a specific type of person.

06:06:21.740 And it's all like vanity metrics.

06:06:23.580 Like it's going to be,

06:06:24.840 um,

06:06:26.040 sorry,

06:06:26.600 it's going to be like height or income or these,

06:06:33.080 these various things.

06:06:33.880 Um,

06:06:34.220 and whereas with men,

06:06:39.300 they,

06:06:40.680 they're,

06:06:42.480 they're,

06:06:44.340 they're,

06:06:44.640 they're concerned that.

06:06:46.520 Here,

06:06:46.840 let me help out.

06:06:47.660 Um,

06:06:47.940 I'll just move on.

06:06:49.080 Um,

06:06:49.160 you said you were married.

06:06:50.400 Now you're divorced.

06:06:51.220 Your longest relationship of five years.

06:06:53.280 One night on Valentine's day at the end of your marriage,

06:06:55.920 you told him you could be,

06:06:58.440 you,

06:06:58.640 I think you said to him,

06:06:59.940 you could be anyone in the world right now as he was performing.

06:07:03.740 You said you could be anyone in the world right now.

06:07:15.340 What do you,

06:07:16.840 I think I sort of understand what you mean.

06:07:19.460 I mean,

06:07:19.640 I think it's a terrible thing to say,

06:07:20.680 but I think I,

06:07:21.960 I see what you,

06:07:23.520 like you're saying,

06:07:24.140 like he,

06:07:25.360 he's like interchangeable.

06:07:27.020 Is that kind of what,

06:07:28.760 yeah,

06:07:29.180 I mean,

06:07:29.880 this was during my first marriage.

06:07:31.800 I,

06:07:32.080 uh,

06:07:32.960 started my relationship when I was 23 and I was still like trying to figure out

06:07:36.460 my self,

06:07:38.080 but we were still together.

06:07:39.900 And I,

06:07:40.440 were you trying to find yourself?

06:07:41.860 Well,

06:07:42.020 no,

06:07:42.180 I wasn't trying to find myself,

06:07:43.200 but I think what I'm trying to say is I was still a fledgling trying to learn

06:07:48.100 and grow.

06:07:48.520 And this person,

06:07:50.420 you know,

06:07:50.860 it's,

06:07:51.320 it's difficult when it's like,

06:07:52.880 Oh,

06:07:52.980 for your anniversary,

06:07:53.680 they get,

06:07:54.600 they buy you door dash,

06:07:55.680 uh,

06:07:56.360 for,

06:07:56.640 uh,

06:07:57.280 the anniversary dinner.

06:07:58.240 And it's like brought to the house and it's supposed to be like this

06:08:02.020 romantic thing.

06:08:02.820 And you might be able to go above and beyond and provide them like,

06:08:07.860 uh,

06:08:08.620 a homemade meal with like,

06:08:09.940 like state,

06:08:10.700 like wagyu steak and,

06:08:11.980 and lobster and things like that.

06:08:13.440 And have it not be reciprocated is,

06:08:16.440 uh,

06:08:17.080 is,

06:08:17.580 is tough to,

06:08:19.120 um,

06:08:20.420 wait,

06:08:20.740 wait,

06:08:20.960 hang on,

06:08:21.560 help me out here.

06:08:22.200 You cooked him home cooked meals and he got door dash for your

06:08:26.560 anniversary.

06:08:28.500 Yes.

06:08:29.360 Was the door dash good?

06:08:31.060 I mean,

06:08:31.380 it was cold.

06:08:32.420 It was buco de beppo.

06:08:33.820 Could he cook?

06:08:35.280 He could cook.

06:08:36.480 He was very good at cooking.

06:08:38.380 It was,

06:08:38.920 wait,

06:08:39.660 what does this have to do with you could be anyone in the world?

06:08:43.700 Right.

06:08:44.000 My point being is that was towards the end.

06:08:46.560 That was the end of our relationship because that was on Valentine's.

06:08:49.560 And can you clarify what you mean when you said you could be anyone in the world right

06:08:54.720 now?

06:08:55.220 That was me saying that I was feeling disgruntled in our relationship romantically.

06:09:01.440 And I was,

06:09:02.140 yeah,

06:09:03.000 it means that you didn't give a shit about him.

06:09:04.840 Right.

06:09:06.060 Hmm.

06:09:07.520 Isn't that what it means?

06:09:08.740 Like if you,

06:09:09.500 you could be anybody right now,

06:09:11.060 you're just interchangeable with fucking Chuck right across.

06:09:13.480 Doesn't that mean I don't really give a shit about you?

06:09:17.400 I would say that that's my take on what I thought at the time was being kind.

06:09:24.200 But yeah,

06:09:25.160 even though it was brutally,

06:09:25.980 even though it was brutally honest,

06:09:27.880 I think it's better to tell somebody that you're disgruntled versus,

06:09:31.740 you know,

06:09:32.440 commit adultery.

06:09:33.740 Yeah,

06:09:33.980 sure.

06:09:34.220 But what you were saying was I don't give a shit about you.

06:09:37.240 No,

06:09:37.580 that is your words.

06:09:38.720 You're creating a straw man to make my,

06:09:40.740 I'm trying not to,

06:09:41.680 but you're doing it.

06:09:42.620 And I,

06:09:43.060 well,

06:09:43.340 how do you give a shit about someone?

06:09:44.640 And you're like,

06:09:44.980 you could be Chuck because you could just be whoever.

06:09:48.900 I mean,

06:09:49.520 I had said that again,

06:09:52.020 because like I was,

06:09:53.960 you wanted him to know that you cared a lot less about him than he thought.

06:09:58.320 Right.

06:09:59.280 I just was trying to say that I was like falling out of love and that I don't

06:10:02.260 understand.

06:10:02.980 So you cared a lot less about him.

06:10:05.880 This was while he was going down.

06:10:07.960 While he was,

06:10:08.840 I was like,

06:10:09.440 he could be anybody in the world right now.

06:10:11.340 I just,

06:10:11.600 I was not feeling this is like,

06:10:15.220 this is like guys that come to my messages on only fans being like,

06:10:18.940 my girlfriend just broke up with me in this way.

06:10:21.040 And they're so sad looking for words of encouragement and asking for

06:10:24.520 motivational videos just to cope.

06:10:27.200 Like it's that kind of story.

06:10:28.980 That's heartbreaking.

06:10:30.100 Well,

06:10:30.360 it gets worse.

06:10:31.680 So,

06:10:32.120 um,

06:10:32.980 wait,

06:10:33.340 what?

06:10:33.620 It gets worse.

06:10:34.180 It gets worse.

06:10:34.940 I don't know.

06:10:35.640 So,

06:10:35.920 um,

06:10:37.260 a couple of days afterwards,

06:10:38.860 you say that you guys,

06:10:40.600 you got into an argument and you called him a tool.

06:10:44.460 He got drunk and pointed a firearm at you while your six month infant was in the same room

06:10:53.320 and said,

06:10:53.860 this is a tool for you to use.

06:10:56.760 The infant said that or he said that?

06:11:00.380 I don't think the infant said it,

06:11:01.500 Brian.

06:11:01.920 Sorry.

06:11:02.500 I miss my,

06:11:04.460 uh,

06:11:06.420 parsing.

06:11:07.100 He said that to me,

06:11:08.720 um,

06:11:09.300 after we had both said some awful things to each other.

06:11:13.240 Mind you,

06:11:13.520 I'm sending you these DM messages as a very short brief of what I had experienced.

06:11:18.740 Sure.

06:11:19.380 No,

06:11:19.600 I'm sure there's a lot.

06:11:20.600 Uh,

06:11:21.060 you said that that marked the end of your marriage.

06:11:23.500 And then two years later,

06:11:25.800 he did this guy.

06:11:28.360 Hang on real quick.

06:11:29.720 This just occurred to me.

06:11:32.400 Um,

06:11:33.180 this is your ex-husband,

06:11:35.140 right?

06:11:35.500 It's my ex-husband.

06:11:36.700 Yeah.

06:11:37.220 Did he by chance die by suicide?

06:11:40.840 He,

06:11:41.540 it was an assisted suicide.

06:11:42.520 It's suicide.

06:11:43.800 Wait,

06:11:44.340 assisted?

06:11:46.240 Are you,

06:11:46.980 wait,

06:11:47.280 I mean,

06:11:47.560 what do you mean assisted?

06:11:49.560 Um,

06:11:50.140 means that he got into a confrontation with a,

06:11:53.460 an officer.

06:11:56.160 Because he wanted to die.

06:11:57.620 But is it because he wanted to die?

06:11:59.420 It's because he wanted to die.

06:12:00.240 Yes.

06:12:00.520 Why did he want to die?

06:12:02.360 That's a good question.

06:12:03.420 But,

06:12:03.780 um,

06:12:04.160 that's the sad part because.

06:12:05.800 You don't think it's because like his wife said that he was an interchangeable widget with everybody on planet earth while he was.

06:12:12.520 Trying to sexually pleasure her.

06:12:14.620 You don't think that like that would be a contributing factor?

06:12:16.780 I don't think that a rude comment.

06:12:17.060 I don't need your help.

06:12:18.540 You don't think,

06:12:19.060 I don't need your help.

06:12:19.900 You don't think that that's a contributing factor?

06:12:23.560 So,

06:12:24.040 I'm sorry,

06:12:24.840 are you,

06:12:25.100 are you putting everything on this one?

06:12:26.220 No,

06:12:26.500 I'm just asking,

06:12:27.180 I'm just asking you like it,

06:12:28.720 this sounds kind of miserable to me.

06:12:30.360 You know,

06:12:32.060 I'm,

06:12:32.640 I can sit here and defend my honor,

06:12:35.420 but the thing is,

06:12:36.380 is by doing that,

06:12:37.320 it's also hurting like his honor.

06:12:39.460 And I know that his family will be watching this and this is part of.

06:12:43.220 Well,

06:12:43.420 why do you do it?

06:12:43.980 And then also my daughter might be watching this in the future.

06:12:46.520 Okay,

06:12:46.820 I understand.

06:12:47.380 But why,

06:12:47.740 why do you do it?

06:12:49.440 If there's a,

06:12:49.960 like,

06:12:50.200 how do you know why anybody,

06:12:51.980 you know,

06:12:52.740 decides to opt out of life?

06:12:55.380 Well,

06:12:55.840 I mean,

06:12:56.080 if you were close to him for,

06:12:57.200 how many years after you were divorced,

06:12:58.780 did he do this?

06:13:00.120 Two.

06:13:01.240 Not very long.

06:13:02.520 No,

06:13:02.800 it's not very long.

06:13:03.620 And so,

06:13:04.100 hence why his family,

06:13:05.480 you know,

06:13:05.880 barred me from the funeral.

06:13:08.460 Well,

06:13:09.100 it's all coming together.

06:13:10.800 Responsibility on me.

06:13:11.940 Why would they do that?

06:13:14.640 I have not them,

06:13:15.680 so I wouldn't,

06:13:16.240 I couldn't even.

06:13:17.080 Why do you think that they would do that?

06:13:19.660 I would believe that they blame me for it.

06:13:23.500 Why?

06:13:25.000 Why would they blame me for it?

06:13:27.820 What reasons did they have for blaming you?

06:13:30.740 You don't usually come up with reasons to blame a person for somebody else's death that are completely unfounded.

06:13:36.340 What,

06:13:36.560 what did they think?

06:13:37.560 Again,

06:13:37.840 there is like transgressions that had happened.

06:13:40.660 It's like,

06:13:41.200 are we overlooking the,

06:13:42.360 the firearm aspects?

06:13:44.640 I'm not saying that he's not mentally ill.

06:13:46.420 I'm just pointing out,

06:13:47.520 I'm asking you a question,

06:13:49.240 which is why did his family think it's your fault?

06:13:51.820 That's a public record that had happened.

06:13:53.360 I know,

06:13:53.760 but why does his family think it's your fault?

06:14:00.680 That we like,

06:14:02.020 so I had divorced him because of the domestic violence.

06:14:05.000 And then two years after that,

06:14:07.280 we had divorced and he was getting,

06:14:08.900 and I was getting nothing from child support.

06:14:12.360 Two years after that,

06:14:13.620 I mean,

06:14:13.860 he's,

06:14:14.780 he's a principal solutions architect at Amazon,

06:14:17.600 was doing 250K easy.

06:14:19.360 Um,

06:14:20.160 and he wasn't paying you.

06:14:21.180 So what happened then?

06:14:22.900 So then I decided to date other people.

06:14:29.080 Okay.

06:14:29.760 And move on with my life.

06:14:31.860 And then not try to take him to court for child support.

06:14:37.060 Child support.

06:14:37.520 No,

06:14:38.180 no,

06:14:38.820 no,

06:14:39.360 no.

06:14:39.600 So why do they blame you then?

06:14:44.840 Hmm.

06:14:47.140 Could it be that there was history of trauma that he had?

06:14:53.140 Why do they blame you though?

06:14:57.480 Because,

06:14:58.500 oh yeah.

06:14:59.120 So,

06:14:59.740 okay.

06:15:00.060 There was a text message the morning of,

06:15:02.540 uh,

06:15:03.240 the,

06:15:03.500 the fateful day that said,

06:15:06.160 um,

06:15:07.500 you don't have cancer.

06:15:09.580 You are the cancer.

06:15:11.860 Who doesn't have cancer?

06:15:14.220 My ex-husband.

06:15:16.080 So you said that he didn't have cancer.

06:15:19.940 He was the cancer.

06:15:21.320 Yes.

06:15:21.680 Oh.

06:15:23.920 And so his family is,

06:15:27.680 so his family believes that you were a contributing factor to his death.

06:15:31.360 The guy that you said was an interchangeable widget along with anybody else who was around when he was going down on you.

06:15:39.060 And then the day of his death,

06:15:41.060 you called him a cancer.

06:15:42.580 Wait,

06:15:42.800 did he have cancer?

06:15:44.380 He stated that he did to his family and his friends.

06:15:48.520 But you said he didn't.

06:15:49.900 Did he?

06:15:50.800 He,

06:15:51.080 he,

06:15:51.680 he did not.

06:15:52.800 Oh,

06:15:53.100 but you stated that he was the cancer.

06:15:55.060 But I stated,

06:15:55.860 I said mean things.

06:15:57.600 Did you say anything else to him the fateful day?

06:16:00.360 That was it.

06:16:01.420 No.

06:16:02.000 And then the day before that,

06:16:03.080 did you say anything mean?

06:16:05.720 Not to that degree,

06:16:07.100 no.

06:16:07.500 But you still said other mean things?

06:16:09.920 I wouldn't,

06:16:10.520 no,

06:16:10.680 I don't,

06:16:11.220 I didn't speak to him that way.

06:16:13.240 So,

06:16:13.560 I mean,

06:16:13.820 it sounds like his family has pretty good cause to think he might've been a contributing fact.

06:16:18.660 So he,

06:16:19.820 so then he suicided by cop.

06:16:21.880 How do they know he suicided by cop?

06:16:23.580 How do they know that it was suicide?

06:16:26.620 Um,

06:16:27.100 because when,

06:16:28.320 did you leave a note?

06:16:29.640 There was no note.

06:16:30.980 Hmm.

06:16:31.600 Um,

06:16:32.000 he called a bunch of people and said that his daughter would,

06:16:35.140 uh,

06:16:35.440 that he thinks that this is the best choice because his,

06:16:38.320 he thinks his daughter,

06:16:39.020 um,

06:16:40.680 would be better off without him.

06:16:44.120 Oh.

06:16:44.820 And,

06:16:45.140 and who would his daughter be better off with?

06:16:48.900 Not anybody.

06:16:49.980 Oh.

06:16:50.680 I mean,

06:16:50.960 he's a,

06:16:51.720 he's,

06:16:52.300 he is irreplaceable in that sense.

06:16:54.560 He is irreplaceable.

06:16:56.160 So the day that this guy calls all of his friends and leaves a verbal diary behind that he's going to kill himself happened to be the day that you said that he was a cancer.

06:17:07.740 No,

06:17:07.980 I think that again,

06:17:08.980 that we are overlooking the mental health aspect of this.

06:17:13.280 Well,

06:17:13.600 if you thought he was,

06:17:14.740 hang on,

06:17:15.020 if you thought,

06:17:15.500 if you thought he was mentally ill,

06:17:17.940 why would you say shit like that to him?

06:17:20.480 I didn't know that he was that mentally ill.

06:17:24.020 Oh,

06:17:24.220 really?

06:17:24.520 The guy who pointed a gun at you,

06:17:25.900 you didn't know he was that mentally ill,

06:17:27.200 eh?

06:17:28.200 Interesting.

06:17:29.520 I didn't know that.

06:17:31.040 I know that really is usually mentally stable men who point guns at their wives in front of their infants.

06:17:35.380 I had divorced them for a specific reason of the,

06:17:37.600 of the firearm charge.

06:17:39.320 And then after that,

06:17:40.380 doesn't sound like a stable man.

06:17:41.940 I don't know why you would send him a message calling him a cancer.

06:17:44.960 He was going through a lot.

06:17:46.020 Well,

06:17:46.240 he was,

06:17:46.860 he was going through a lot going through a lot.

06:17:48.960 And then you triggered the breaking point and he fucking killed himself.

06:17:51.840 Right.

06:17:52.360 It's like,

06:17:52.760 that's unbelievable.

06:17:54.040 Well,

06:17:54.300 it is unbelievable.

06:17:55.200 It's unbelievable.

06:17:55.920 It's unbelievable that,

06:17:57.640 you know,

06:17:58.000 I have to draw the details out and it's being evasive when it's very clear that there was some shit that happened here.

06:18:04.520 This was not your fault.

06:18:05.520 How the fuck do you know?

06:18:06.860 What do you mean?

06:18:07.400 Well,

06:18:07.580 from what she's told us.

06:18:08.420 What she's told us is that she drove the guy to fucking kill himself.

06:18:11.220 No,

06:18:11.460 she did not.

06:18:11.940 Yes,

06:18:12.140 she did.

06:18:12.760 People don't decide to kill themselves over one instant in their life when someone isn't good to them.

06:18:17.340 What she's describing,

06:18:18.160 ladies,

06:18:18.480 a pattern of behavior.

06:18:19.440 She said,

06:18:19.880 I was mean a couple of days before,

06:18:21.040 mean a couple of days before.

06:18:22.040 The whole family blames her.

06:18:23.540 The whole family blames her.

06:18:24.720 No.

06:18:25.160 Yeah,

06:18:25.400 because people need someone to pay off.

06:18:27.280 I know there's no reason.

06:18:28.420 She just called him a fucking cancer the day he happened to kill himself.

06:18:31.160 I have had people treat me so much worse than that.

06:18:33.720 You're not a man and your value of yourself is not you providing for your family and being a father and being a husband.

06:18:39.720 Like a lot of men have this like sense of purpose in their life.

06:18:42.500 And I'm sorry if they choose to kill themselves over the fact that they treated someone poorly,

06:18:45.900 therefore they retaliated and that is their own fault.

06:18:48.580 It's really funny how quickly the sisterhood comes into effect.

06:18:51.800 No,

06:18:51.920 it's not sisterhood.

06:18:52.800 It's common fucking sense.

06:18:53.760 Did you ever think that perhaps a person who felt responsible might do their best to be evasive about the details of things?

06:19:01.540 Because if they hang on,

06:19:02.360 stop,

06:19:02.800 let me finish.

06:19:03.520 All right.

06:19:04.200 And then you can respond.

06:19:05.360 Go on.

06:19:06.320 That the details of the things,

06:19:07.780 if we had the totality of them,

06:19:10.660 may look very bad for them if they gave them to us.

06:19:14.120 And so that's why they're particularly evasive.

06:19:16.740 When you ask them specific questions about circumstances,

06:19:19.400 doesn't that stand to reason or hang on?

06:19:21.900 Or do I sound like an unreasonable lunatic to you right now?

06:19:24.860 I can understand if that were the circumstance,

06:19:26.620 but that's not the circumstance.

06:19:27.640 Let me finish the interrogation before you weigh in then.

06:19:30.460 Okay.

06:19:31.000 Yeah.

06:19:31.180 Go on.

06:19:31.800 Great.

06:19:32.140 I'm sorry for your loss.

06:19:33.020 Great.

06:19:33.380 So,

06:19:33.700 uh,

06:19:34.800 well,

06:19:35.040 it doesn't sound like it's much of a loss.

06:19:36.400 She said that he could have been anyone.

06:19:39.060 What did she lose?

06:19:39.880 Just because you don't want to be in a romantic relationship with someone who abused you doesn't mean that you don't value it.

06:19:45.520 Because he lied about having cancer.

06:19:47.180 How do you know that?

06:19:48.620 What are you doing?

06:19:49.060 Because she says so.

06:19:50.200 If she is lying,

06:19:51.180 then that is going to weigh on her conscience,

06:19:52.800 but it doesn't benefit anyone here to try and call her a liar.

06:19:56.300 I don't think you're lying.

06:19:57.500 Instantly dive in on the sisterhood without having any of the facts.

06:20:00.100 If she were a man,

06:20:01.180 I would be saying the same shit.

06:20:02.060 Without having any of the facts,

06:20:03.340 as I'm trying to get the facts.

06:20:04.580 You could just wait until we got the facts and then made the assessment,

06:20:06.980 but you couldn't help yourself,

06:20:08.080 had to come in on the sisterhood.

06:20:09.040 You can't fucking help it.

06:20:11.120 I couldn't help myself because this is an insane way to treat a person.

06:20:13.920 How did I treat her?

06:20:15.200 You're accusing her of lying on something that you don't know anything about.

06:20:19.840 She's been through something horrific.

06:20:21.080 You made the establishment first and you demanded that I give you an assessment based on what I heard I did.

06:20:26.900 You didn't even let me finish.

06:20:27.480 I did not demand that.

06:20:28.360 You didn't even let me finish the questioning because you were so butthurt that she was giving details about something she could be responsible for.

06:20:36.200 No, you are accusing her of something.

06:20:37.560 I'm not mad that you're asking her questions,

06:20:39.100 but I am mad that you're accusing her of something.

06:20:40.840 I don't care what you're...

06:20:41.780 Listen, based on only what I've heard,

06:20:44.420 you asked for my assessment,

06:20:45.480 I gave it...

06:20:46.220 And you're more than welcome to,

06:20:47.300 and I'm allowed to disagree,

06:20:48.420 and I'm allowed to feel however I feel on that.

06:20:49.940 Yeah, but can we at least wait until we get the details?

06:20:51.540 Sure.

06:20:52.080 Great.

06:20:53.340 So anyway, back to this.

06:20:54.960 What else did you say to this guy over the previous three weeks?

06:20:58.140 Was there massive fights going on?

06:20:59.540 What was going on?

06:21:00.720 There was no massive fights.

06:21:02.720 He was going in...

06:21:04.600 Sorry, excuse me.

06:21:05.300 In and out of rehab.

06:21:08.420 So he was struggling with...

06:21:12.800 What?

06:21:13.300 What was he going in and out of rehab for?

06:21:15.500 With alcohol.

06:21:16.880 Oh.

06:21:18.380 So he's going in rehab.

06:21:19.580 He was struggling.

06:21:20.680 He was struggling.

06:21:21.540 Why did you call him a cancer that day?

06:21:23.920 I said, you don't have cancer.

06:21:26.160 You are the cancer.

06:21:27.020 Yeah, why did you say that, though?

06:21:28.180 What did he do?

06:21:29.480 He was...

06:21:31.020 He was not...

06:21:33.120 He was not supporting our daughter.

06:21:37.240 Not supporting our daughter.

06:21:38.600 So he wasn't giving you money?

06:21:39.980 I wasn't getting anything,

06:21:41.660 and I was having her the 100% of the time.

06:21:44.600 So why this guy's going to rehab...

06:21:48.020 And trying to kick alcohol,

06:21:51.560 which is one of the worst addictions on planet Earth.

06:21:53.920 And it can kill you, actually.

06:21:55.020 If you call turkey from alcohol,

06:21:56.140 it'll fucking kill you.

06:21:59.140 Because you weren't getting any money from him,

06:22:00.700 you called him a cancer.

06:22:03.020 Is that right?

06:22:05.860 I think that it was not, like,

06:22:10.760 directly as a response to that.

06:22:14.020 He had said something...

06:22:16.020 said something degenerate towards me,

06:22:21.700 and we were bickering,

06:22:23.880 and that's when I had...

06:22:24.640 This guy who's going through rehab?

06:22:26.460 Yeah.

06:22:27.160 Yeah.

06:22:27.560 Said something,

06:22:28.240 said something to me.

06:22:28.960 What did he say?

06:22:31.700 I think...

06:22:33.100 I don't recall the exact details.

06:22:36.340 Well, it must not have been that important.

06:22:38.460 Perhaps.

06:22:39.060 It was...

06:22:39.700 But it was something that I had snapped at him for.

06:22:41.700 That I was sick and tired of the lies

06:22:45.500 because I didn't know what was our reality together.

06:22:50.700 Now, I never met you before.

06:22:52.340 I didn't know anything about your story,

06:22:53.820 your tale.

06:22:54.380 I've never seen anything.

06:22:55.640 But there was a reason that I guessed it was a suicide.

06:22:59.520 What reason do you think that I guessed that

06:23:01.740 and was basically right?

06:23:03.200 What reason would I have to believe,

06:23:08.660 just as a guess,

06:23:10.980 and it was an easy one,

06:23:12.500 that this guy committed suicide?

06:23:16.420 That I initiated the divorce?

06:23:18.680 No.

06:23:23.600 I'm not sure.

06:23:24.720 Well, I'll just tell you my assessment

06:23:26.700 just from having talked with you for...

06:23:28.960 So I talked to thousands of women, right?

06:23:30.900 But my guess,

06:23:34.660 and you can tell me if I'm way off base,

06:23:37.360 but have you been diagnosed with mental illnesses yourself?

06:23:40.380 Me?

06:23:40.900 Mm-hmm.

06:23:41.680 No.

06:23:42.340 None?

06:23:43.720 No.

06:23:44.320 You take no psychotropic drugs?

06:23:46.260 I do not.

06:23:46.960 You take nothing?

06:23:49.080 No.

06:23:49.640 Mm.

06:23:50.200 Okay.

06:23:51.280 Well, then I'm wrong.

06:23:54.640 I was right in the assessment on the suicide.

06:23:57.640 Just saying.

06:23:58.680 I'll leave it there.

06:23:59.480 Well, consider that men's suicide rates

06:24:02.260 have just gone up.

06:24:04.200 Usually they go up

06:24:05.020 because they're like veterans

06:24:06.200 or they're homeless.

06:24:07.800 Sometimes it's directly contributed

06:24:09.660 because they're addicts,

06:24:10.980 but oftentimes it's when they're addicts

06:24:12.840 and they're going through a divorce

06:24:14.000 and there's a lot of demands

06:24:16.740 being placed on them

06:24:17.760 while they're trying to get their shit together.

06:24:19.800 That's where we get the contributions

06:24:21.740 to these suicides.

06:24:23.180 Mm-hmm.

06:24:23.400 And you can put the entire argument on me,

06:24:27.180 but I'm not putting the entire argument on you.

06:24:29.200 I'm just pointing out that

06:24:30.200 and the responsibilities

06:24:30.700 were on my shoulders.

06:24:31.560 There's certain reasons

06:24:32.500 why I assumed that this was a suicide

06:24:34.280 and was right.

06:24:34.880 You've got this highfalutin aura

06:24:36.140 where you think that it has to be

06:24:37.900 due to my, like, what?

06:24:39.880 Well, he's dead and you ain't.

06:24:41.020 You think I'm bipolar?

06:24:41.960 You think I'm, like, schizophrenic?

06:24:43.400 Nope, I don't know what the diagnosis is.

06:24:46.420 Like, what's been your anecdotal expertise?

06:24:50.620 Anecdotal is right.

06:24:52.000 So it's just like...

06:24:53.180 Guys, guys.

06:24:55.100 When you have, like, an elongated speech with people,

06:25:01.700 you start to realize certain patterns

06:25:03.320 of how people talk.

06:25:05.340 And especially if you talk to different sexes,

06:25:09.140 when they display mental illness with men,

06:25:11.600 it's usually aggressive.

06:25:13.860 It's usually aggressive

06:25:14.680 almost every single time I've seen it.

06:25:17.580 They snap.

06:25:18.420 They do things like this.

06:25:19.620 And you can pull it out of them pretty quick.

06:25:21.860 With women, it's usually they...

06:25:23.760 You can see it usually

06:25:24.980 when they can't collect their thoughts.

06:25:26.380 They can't make coherent sentences.

06:25:28.000 They become easily distracted.

06:25:29.900 Things like this.

06:25:32.020 Usually that's a sign of things like,

06:25:33.940 well, I don't know, BPD and other...

06:25:36.940 Just a shot in the dark.

06:25:39.000 You know what I mean?

06:25:39.580 But that's just been my experience.

06:25:42.180 It just didn't surprise me that you...

06:25:44.280 The second you said

06:25:45.340 that he was giving you cunnilingus

06:25:47.660 and you said that he could have been anybody,

06:25:50.880 I had a gut feeling he died by suicide.

06:25:53.320 I just had a gut feeling.

06:25:55.040 So because I was feeling unhappy in the marriage,

06:25:59.180 I chose to leave a marriage

06:26:00.380 that was a danger,

06:26:02.840 a threat to my daughter and I.

06:26:04.460 after I said some words that I was just...

06:26:07.460 Well, there's two sides to...

06:26:09.420 I was drunk on that day.

06:26:09.760 I had...

06:26:10.000 Look, there's two sides to every story.

06:26:11.960 There's two sides.

06:26:12.600 I mean, we can sit here and be pedantic on this,

06:26:14.480 but the fact of the matter is

06:26:15.840 you don't know the whole story.

06:26:16.800 I don't.

06:26:17.080 You're right.

06:26:17.100 You don't know what he went through

06:26:17.920 when he was an adolescent.

06:26:19.000 But I did guess that he committed suicide correctly,

06:26:21.460 didn't I?

06:26:22.100 The essays he had to undergo through

06:26:24.180 as a little boy.

06:26:26.420 It's very...

06:26:27.820 It's the people's lives...

06:26:29.180 That's exactly what you say to a guy

06:26:31.040 who's experienced S.A.

06:26:32.640 and was an alcoholic

06:26:33.480 and had all kinds of rosettes.

06:26:34.580 He's had fucking cancer the day he died.

06:26:36.520 He has family.

06:26:37.540 He has three other brothers.

06:26:39.020 He's got sisters.

06:26:39.780 It's like you put all of it on me.

06:26:41.500 Do all of them blame you?

06:26:42.700 Do they blame you for it?

06:26:43.800 No, not all of them do.

06:26:45.220 I think it's pretty split,

06:26:46.920 but it's his brothers are...

06:26:48.360 Wait, they barred you from going to the funeral?

06:26:50.340 Yeah.

06:26:51.140 Well, the thing is,

06:26:52.300 it's the dad that's the most upset,

06:26:56.300 and he's not going to tolerate someone

06:26:59.040 that's going to...

06:27:00.380 Like, that could cause disruption

06:27:02.880 at their funeral.

06:27:05.100 I think it was perhaps, like,

06:27:07.620 looking back, like,

06:27:08.980 the better decision,

06:27:10.640 even though it hurt me,

06:27:12.440 I'm still processing

06:27:15.240 what I could have done better as his wife.

06:27:19.220 And, you know, I think that's...

06:27:20.140 Maybe not say why he's giving you

06:27:21.460 conilingus that he could have been anybody.

06:27:23.740 Sure, sure.

06:27:23.760 And so words carry so much impact

06:27:26.120 and so, you know, if anything...

06:27:28.260 They do.

06:27:28.820 I, you know, I was 26, 27 at the time,

06:27:32.140 and I am appalled

06:27:33.620 how much these words can hurt people

06:27:36.840 when I was just...

06:27:38.040 You said them.

06:27:40.020 Yes, I'm appalled at my...

06:27:42.200 at the consequences of my ramifications.

06:27:44.620 And if there's a way that I could take it back,

06:27:46.680 I would, knowing what I know now, but...

06:27:48.540 You don't sound very appalled.

06:27:49.720 You said it's not on me.

06:27:50.720 Instead, I would like other people to...

06:27:52.320 I mean, what can I do now?

06:27:53.800 It's sad.

06:27:54.700 It's upset.

06:27:55.140 But I...

06:27:55.720 Like, the whole...

06:27:56.400 This whole conversation

06:27:57.280 was brought up in a very combative way.

06:28:00.120 You know, I didn't even get to bring it up

06:28:01.300 in my own, you know, tone.

06:28:03.220 It was just kind of,

06:28:04.100 this is how it was.

06:28:05.340 Courtney, Courtney.

06:28:06.240 It's like, Courtney,

06:28:07.320 let me just, you know,

06:28:09.340 paint you in this bad light.

06:28:11.500 And it's like, okay,

06:28:12.780 paint me in this bad light.

06:28:13.600 There's...

06:28:14.360 I just hope that at the end

06:28:16.300 that people can understand

06:28:17.800 how much impact words have

06:28:19.820 and that...

06:28:22.080 And then they don't block people,

06:28:23.680 especially if they're truly hurting like that.

06:28:26.640 Hang on.

06:28:27.500 What do you mean not block people?

06:28:28.800 Wait, really quick,

06:28:29.680 before you answer that,

06:28:32.120 in what light would you wish to be painted in

06:28:35.640 while your husband is attempting

06:28:38.360 to give you sexual pleasure

06:28:39.980 where you are...

06:28:41.820 you say,

06:28:44.120 you could be anyone in the world right now.

06:28:46.820 At least as it relates to that,

06:28:48.240 what light would you like to be painted in?

06:28:50.280 I already said this,

06:28:51.000 but I will say it again.

06:28:51.960 I think that when someone is kind,

06:28:54.620 they're going to say things that hurt

06:28:56.300 versus do something like cheat

06:29:00.280 and commit adultery.

06:29:02.000 I mean, perhaps there was a better way

06:29:03.380 I could have spoken that truth

06:29:05.800 of feeling unattended for

06:29:09.420 and ungratified.

06:29:12.000 But we weren't having sex.

06:29:13.900 It's not like we were having sex

06:29:14.940 and it was just one time.

06:29:16.180 It's like we were in a very long dry spell.

06:29:18.800 We had...

06:29:19.560 All we did was we played video games together

06:29:22.240 as our way of bonding.

06:29:23.640 It's like we didn't really want to leave the house.

06:29:25.580 We had this very much agoraphobic,

06:29:30.160 did not aversion to going out.

06:29:33.520 We loved each other's company,

06:29:35.260 so I thought,

06:29:36.000 and so I felt that we had maximum trust.

06:29:38.800 Just for the whole panel,

06:29:39.760 I mean,

06:29:40.560 we were going to order some pizza.

06:29:43.680 Does anybody want some pizza?

06:29:45.160 Yeah.

06:29:47.880 For me, right?

06:29:51.720 I got it.

06:29:52.280 Pineapple?

06:29:52.900 Well, no,

06:29:53.480 but I do have to roll soon

06:29:55.220 because I have debate tomorrow

06:29:56.360 and I got to get some shut-eye.

06:29:58.340 Okay.

06:29:58.540 Yeah, so you want to stay for the pizza at least?

06:30:02.080 I'll stay for the pizza, of course.

06:30:03.500 We'll get something quick.

06:30:04.460 Of course.

06:30:05.140 If you put pineapple on that fucking pizza,

06:30:07.420 you're going over that balcony, Brian.

06:30:10.600 Pepperoni, anybody like vegetarian or anything?

06:30:13.060 I can't have beef.

06:30:14.820 Beef?

06:30:15.360 Just beef,

06:30:15.860 but I can have any other meat.

06:30:17.280 Pepperoni's fine then?

06:30:18.240 Yeah, it's pork.

06:30:18.680 Pepperoni is pork.

06:30:19.680 Usually a mix of pork and beef.

06:30:21.260 Is it?

06:30:21.860 Yeah.

06:30:22.720 It's pork and beef?

06:30:23.360 How about this?

06:30:23.980 We'll do...

06:30:24.660 The hell do I know?

06:30:26.540 We'll do one pepperoni,

06:30:29.140 one olive.

06:30:31.440 That's fine, yeah.

06:30:31.980 Sausage?

06:30:32.360 What cheese is fine.

06:30:33.700 Anything, literally anything but...

06:30:34.820 One olive, one pepperoni.

06:30:36.400 Thank you.

06:30:36.840 All right, we'll get some food for everybody.

06:30:38.220 I'm sure you guys are a little bit on the hunger side.

06:30:41.640 We have a super chat here from Nashonabo.

06:30:45.340 Yeah, totally going to weigh on the conscious

06:30:47.040 of someone smiling,

06:30:49.440 telling the story of pushing someone over the edge

06:30:51.380 while scoffing at her involvement in the end.

06:30:54.100 Chair 7 is evil.

06:30:55.240 Chair 4...

06:30:55.980 Wait, Chair 7 or...?

06:30:57.540 Chair 7 is evil.

06:30:58.760 Chair 4, oppositional defiant disorder.

06:31:01.880 The entire family thinks she's at fault,

06:31:03.980 but C4 believes her over the entire family.

06:31:07.100 So he's referencing the conversation here.

06:31:10.100 Because it's an uncomfortable conversation,

06:31:13.000 he's saying Chair 4 wanted to jump in

06:31:15.340 because it made her uncomfortable,

06:31:16.800 which I understand.

06:31:17.660 It made her uncomfortable.

06:31:18.500 She wanted to jump in on the defense.

06:31:19.860 Sisterhood always does this.

06:31:20.980 I'm very used to it.

06:31:22.180 It's not...

06:31:23.620 From my perspective,

06:31:24.520 it's just a normal Tuesday, right?

06:31:26.520 So I'm not upset about it.

06:31:27.980 That's the way it always works.

06:31:29.480 But that's what he's saying.

06:31:30.580 He's saying that you jumped in,

06:31:31.740 you were combative

06:31:32.300 because you didn't like what you were hearing.

06:31:34.220 So you jumped in

06:31:35.200 in order to cause a defense.

06:31:37.180 It's very, very common.

06:31:38.520 I was combative

06:31:39.020 because I think that it was a disgusting way

06:31:41.280 to handle the conversation.

06:31:42.280 Yeah, I know.

06:31:42.660 Women always think that everything

06:31:43.900 is a disgusting way to do anything

06:31:45.340 when you're trying to get to

06:31:46.100 that something that's factual.

06:31:47.400 We are more than welcome to disagree.

06:31:48.580 And I disagree.

06:31:50.900 And I'm welcome to it.

06:31:51.900 Okay.

06:31:52.320 Like you just said.

06:31:53.300 Okay.

06:31:55.900 Okay.

06:31:56.640 All right.

06:31:58.080 Finishing up some of the final notes.

06:32:00.180 Let's do...

06:32:01.100 Melissa, you got some notes.

06:32:02.720 What did I say?

06:32:03.500 Okay.

06:32:03.900 Uh-oh.

06:32:04.200 So you said in your notes,

06:32:09.860 you haven't had a boyfriend since 2021.

06:32:12.820 Haven't really dated anyone consistently since.

06:32:15.200 You've been on dates.

06:32:16.020 You've had some short-term hookups,

06:32:18.060 something unique.

06:32:18.980 The last couple of years,

06:32:19.980 you often do acid when you go on dates.

06:32:22.360 Yeah.

06:32:23.220 I do.

06:32:24.080 Acid.

06:32:24.740 Any other...

06:32:25.520 Scoot into the table a little bit

06:32:27.700 just so we can...

06:32:28.840 What is it deal with bodybuilders

06:32:30.420 and psychedelics, man?

06:32:32.620 They go fucking nutso for psychedelics.

06:32:34.020 They're like intense things.

06:32:34.880 I don't know.

06:32:35.120 They go fucking wild for psychedelics.

06:32:37.420 Yeah, yeah.

06:32:38.500 You said that you...

06:32:40.280 Any other drug use

06:32:42.200 or just the acid?

06:32:43.720 I mean, not on date.

06:32:46.220 Okay.

06:32:46.900 Well, you're not tripping on acid right now

06:32:48.820 or your pupils would be fucking

06:32:50.020 the size of the death star.

06:32:51.640 I forgot it.

06:32:52.500 Yeah.

06:32:53.140 You should have taken acid

06:32:54.220 on the blood that everybody has.

06:32:55.340 That would have been a blast.

06:32:55.760 I actually texted my best friend this morning.

06:32:58.240 I was like,

06:32:58.460 I forgot the acid.

06:32:59.600 Oh, great.

06:33:00.540 Shoot.

06:33:01.700 Well, you said that

06:33:03.480 aside from the fact it's fun,

06:33:04.980 it helps you engage very deeply

06:33:06.340 and enjoy a conversation

06:33:07.520 even if you're not romantically

06:33:09.160 interested in the person.

06:33:10.940 So, if you are romantically

06:33:12.180 interested in the person,

06:33:13.280 you don't take the acid.

06:33:14.620 No, that's not necessarily true.

06:33:15.580 Oh, okay.

06:33:16.220 And I don't...

06:33:17.000 Oh, well, I haven't...

06:33:17.660 You're like,

06:33:18.040 damn, this person's boring.

06:33:19.380 Are you micro-dosing

06:33:20.380 or you take a full tap of acid?

06:33:22.520 No, like a quarter tap.

06:33:24.240 Okay, yeah.

06:33:25.100 So, you're like quarter...

06:33:26.940 It's just enough to be there.

06:33:27.160 So, you're quarter tripping.

06:33:28.540 Yeah, you're quarter tripping.

06:33:29.820 Do you really have fun?

06:33:31.380 But like, no one knows besides me.

06:33:32.840 Yeah.

06:33:32.980 You said you were hooking up

06:33:34.420 with twins.

06:33:35.540 Yeah, I was.

06:33:36.100 And one of them turned out

06:33:37.160 to be married.

06:33:37.940 Yes.

06:33:38.300 When you say twins,

06:33:39.380 two guys?

06:33:40.920 Yes.

06:33:41.420 You did a devil's threesome?

06:33:43.980 One time we had a threesome.

06:33:46.480 Wait, you had...

06:33:47.600 Did the twins do stuff

06:33:48.700 with each other?

06:33:49.380 No.

06:33:49.760 Oh, okay.

06:33:50.480 Wait, have you had

06:33:51.120 more than one threesome?

06:33:53.900 Or like with different groups

06:33:55.600 of people or whatever?

06:33:57.580 I had one in college.

06:33:59.140 In college, okay.

06:34:00.760 Wait, was it the trend twins?

06:34:03.100 You know who I'm talking about?

06:34:03.440 They do live in Florida, though, yeah.

06:34:04.900 Okay.

06:34:06.060 You said you got a super gay

06:34:08.900 matching tattoo with a guy

06:34:10.360 you were seeing for only two weeks

06:34:12.300 right before you moved out of state

06:34:14.740 and then you ended things

06:34:15.640 with him over the phone

06:34:16.420 a few weeks later.

06:34:17.240 Yes.

06:34:17.900 What?

06:34:18.240 It was an 11?

06:34:18.980 And it says 11, too,

06:34:20.340 so when we hold hands in the car,

06:34:22.460 it said 11, 11.

06:34:23.580 How gay is that?

06:34:24.660 That's so cute.

06:34:25.440 So my ex and I have

06:34:26.820 avocado tattoos matching,

06:34:28.740 but he has the nut one in it,

06:34:30.220 so it's like...

06:34:31.360 It was like he would

06:34:32.280 fill me up or whatever.

06:34:33.580 Yeah, and I had to...

06:34:34.360 Yeah, I'm sorry.

06:34:36.820 Watch!

06:34:37.720 Sorry.

06:34:40.220 Don't do matching tattoos

06:34:41.360 with your exes.

06:34:42.280 I don't know.

06:34:42.940 I think mine's funny.

06:34:43.780 Yours is way cuter than mine.

06:34:45.860 Wait, so just to be clear,

06:34:47.160 you...

06:34:48.820 Did I hear that right?

06:34:50.100 Yeah, can you...

06:34:50.820 Yeah.

06:34:51.140 Wait, wait, wait.

06:34:51.520 Can you...

06:34:52.560 Yeah, explain this again?

06:34:55.580 Can you repeat that again?

06:34:56.560 We both have a half of the avocado,

06:34:58.760 but he has the nut in the avocado.

06:35:00.760 In the seed?

06:35:01.460 Yeah, the seed.

06:35:02.120 Okay.

06:35:02.600 Yeah, same thing.

06:35:04.040 But you call it the nut.

06:35:05.600 But the joke was that he always...

06:35:07.040 It was more lovey-dovey,

06:35:08.300 but everybody always took it super sexual,

06:35:10.160 so he just kind of ran with that.

06:35:12.020 It's pretty fucking super sexual.

06:35:14.600 I mean, you like to sleep with your partner.

06:35:15.560 He has the nut and is filling you up?

06:35:17.860 I mean, what the fuck?

06:35:18.900 Like...

06:35:19.180 Well, I hope my partner is filling me up,

06:35:20.900 so where else I probably don't want to be with them.

06:35:24.500 So romantic.

06:35:26.320 Where else I'm going to have to take care of it myself?

06:35:28.120 Send the nuke.

06:35:29.400 Send the nuke again.

06:35:31.520 Please send the nuke.

06:35:32.860 Girl, send the asteroid.

06:35:33.880 Yeah, I like dark humor,

06:35:35.080 so it worked out for me.

06:35:36.920 And we are...

06:35:37.980 It sounds like one of those you had to be there.

06:35:40.140 Yeah.

06:35:41.000 Wow.

06:35:41.420 Okay.

06:35:41.860 Good times.

06:35:42.500 Do you guys have matching tattoos?

06:35:47.960 We don't have any tattoos.

06:35:48.740 No tattoos.

06:35:49.900 No tattoos.

06:35:50.740 Okay.

06:35:51.720 Oh, my goodness.

06:35:53.320 This guy is on fire.

06:35:58.100 Robert Tanner donated $1,001.

06:35:59.860 Thank you, man.

06:36:00.860 Thank you, Robert.

06:36:01.880 You're fucking legend.

06:36:02.500 Enjoy champagne with your pizza.

06:36:04.480 Thanks, Brian and Andrew.

06:36:06.100 Appreciate you guys.

06:36:07.760 Yo, Robert Tanner.

06:36:08.640 Thank you, man.

06:36:09.320 You're a fucking legend.

06:36:10.180 And I'll wait to pop it for a few minutes,

06:36:12.680 and we'll wait for the pizza.

06:36:14.120 But thank you, man.

06:36:14.720 That's very kind of you.

06:36:17.480 Mr. Tanner, nice to see you again.

06:36:20.820 Oh, I guess...

06:36:22.880 Yeah, take that $1,001.

06:36:25.720 Oh, what the heck?

06:36:26.700 Meow donated $69.

06:36:29.580 What's insane is the women have zero empathy about a puppy story.

06:36:33.740 All they only care about her not looking like a bad guy.

06:36:37.700 So much emotional intelligence.

06:36:40.180 I guess this is a good moment to say that we're going to be doing a roast session in a little bit.

06:36:47.460 So the roast is going to be $69 TTS.

06:36:49.920 Or if you have a Q&A, you can do Q&A roast.

06:36:52.560 We'll do $69.

06:36:54.960 You're going to get roasted so hard on the pimp suit, dude.

06:36:57.200 I'm okay with that.

06:36:57.760 You're going to get roasted so hard.

06:36:59.080 He might get compliments.

06:36:59.800 He might get compliments.

06:37:01.180 He looks sharp, Andrew.

06:37:03.540 Are you going to start wearing a pimp hat?

06:37:05.080 Yes.

06:37:06.660 I'm going to get a fuzzy...

06:37:08.320 A fuzzy pimp hat.

06:37:09.420 A fuzzy Halloween costume.

06:37:12.800 Let's see here.

06:37:14.920 Finishing off Melissa's notes.

06:37:19.480 The matching tattoo.

06:37:23.700 You know what?

06:37:24.340 You're going to tell the one story, right?

06:37:25.120 We're going to...

06:37:25.920 What's that?

06:37:27.420 Uh-oh.

06:37:27.900 Don't worry about it.

06:37:29.400 Wait, wait.

06:37:30.300 No, no, no.

06:37:30.860 What did you just say?

06:37:31.500 The one story?

06:37:32.360 There's a story on there.

06:37:33.440 What's the story?

06:37:34.660 It's a blowjob story.

06:37:36.120 I don't...

06:37:36.520 Oh, I didn't even...

06:37:37.520 Yeah, okay.

06:37:38.280 We can do that.

06:37:38.940 Well, I'll see.

06:37:39.520 I'll see when I get back to it.

06:37:40.820 We're going to do a couple things from the questionnaire.

06:37:42.920 There's a lot.

06:37:43.660 We're definitely not going to do everything, but really quick.

06:37:47.140 24.

06:37:47.640 Women are the primary victims of war, not men.

06:37:50.500 You say both are victims.

06:37:52.840 Yeah.

06:37:53.660 But you do acknowledge that men are the...

06:37:55.140 In different ways.

06:37:56.140 Sure, but you acknowledge that at least when it comes to war, men are more the victims than women.

06:38:03.100 I mean, I think they're affected in different ways, but do you mean like death count?

06:38:06.620 Because they fight in the wars?

06:38:08.220 No.

06:38:09.140 More like this.

06:38:11.380 Here would be my argument.

06:38:14.000 You can get over trauma.

06:38:15.400 You can't get over death.

06:38:18.400 That would be my argument.

06:38:20.620 So therefore, men are more victims in war than women are.

06:38:24.760 I mean, yeah.

06:38:25.180 I think you'd also have to look at the war.

06:38:26.420 Like when I think about what's going on in Sudan or Sudan right now, like I'd say women are in a way like very much victims.

06:38:34.120 What's going on in Sudan?

06:38:36.620 Like there's a lot of like mass rape and torture.

06:38:40.480 Yeah, that's true.

06:38:41.220 But men are still primarily the ones dying.

06:38:44.700 I mean, it's kind of...

06:38:45.920 Okay.

06:38:46.240 So let's say...

06:38:47.040 On one hand, you're saying like, okay, a man is more likely to get shot there.

06:38:50.380 A woman's more likely to get assaulted and watch her whole family get assaulted and watch her man get killed.

06:38:55.860 Do you agree with me that that's highly traumatic?

06:39:00.320 Yeah.

06:39:00.780 Do you agree with me, though, that...

06:39:02.060 I'd rather die than have to go through that, if I'm being honest.

06:39:05.360 Oh, really?

06:39:06.020 Than to watch my children get assaulted and killed.

06:39:08.560 I mean, well, the thing is, is that while that does happen, that's not the commonality.

06:39:14.400 And so the thing is, is like in warfare, if you agree with me that trauma is something that you can adhere to and something that you can deal with and something that many people can even place behind them, then even if it's traumatic for women...

06:39:28.080 As long as you acknowledge that many people can't fully.

06:39:29.600 Like you mentioned veterans killing themselves.

06:39:31.180 Many can't.

06:39:32.100 But when you say many, like how many are we talking?

06:39:37.000 Well, it's not just trauma.

06:39:37.960 Like war affects you permanently in other ways, like economically.

06:39:40.900 That sounds like it's all trauma, though.

06:39:43.860 In a way, sure.

06:39:44.320 Yeah, so it's like you can...

06:39:45.200 That's also kind of hard to get over.

06:39:46.220 You can move away from trauma.

06:39:48.300 You can't move away from fucking death, right?

06:39:51.660 Okay, men probably die more often in wars.

06:39:53.580 Yeah, so then if you can...

06:39:55.780 If one can be healed from and one can't, then how is one not worse than the other?

06:40:00.000 I mean, again, I don't think...

06:40:01.780 I mean, a woman can heal from that trauma, but like a lot of the time you don't.

06:40:04.620 But men can't heal from the trauma of death.

06:40:07.500 Do you agree?

06:40:07.840 Death isn't trauma, is it?

06:40:10.000 Yeah, I think it is.

06:40:11.240 I think it's a very traumatic thing to die.

06:40:13.740 Is that something you're actively facing?

06:40:15.340 Like death?

06:40:17.480 Okay, I thought you meant like lasting trauma.

06:40:19.760 Like something that you experienced.

06:40:20.740 I mean, it lasts as long as you're alive to experience that death.

06:40:25.960 And so it's like you can't get over that because you're fucking dead.

06:40:29.940 So it seems to me like if the argument is like, well, women get a lot of trauma...

06:40:34.460 If you want me to say that men die more often in wars than women, that's probably true.

06:40:36.760 No, that's not what I'm after.

06:40:38.060 We already agree that that's true.

06:40:40.200 What I'm after is that the primary victim, if you have a victim-non-victim relationship,

06:40:46.180 if the idea here is that trauma for women is victimization, I agree.

06:40:52.980 But that's something that can be at least dealt with.

06:40:56.000 Death is permanent.

06:40:57.900 So if death is permanent, how could you not be the primary victim if you die?

06:41:01.960 Wait, also when you say like men are dying a lot more often, you're talking about like

06:41:04.980 people who are like fighting.

06:41:06.480 No, I mean just overwhelmingly they die more.

06:41:08.920 They even die more often in support roles.

06:41:11.180 Let's be real.

06:41:12.120 Because they're the ones who are building the power lines.

06:41:14.480 They're the ones who are digging the ditches.

06:41:16.100 They're the ones who are doing all that shit.

06:41:17.520 Well, we're talking about war, right?

06:41:18.660 Even in war, even in war, the support roles, even in war, the support roles are going to

06:41:24.980 be men dying still, even as opposed to women in support roles.

06:41:28.980 Are men like targeted more in wars?

06:41:30.600 Well, it's not just a matter of targeting.

06:41:32.360 They just have more dangerous jobs.

06:41:34.220 Okay.

06:41:34.440 Well, yeah.

06:41:34.640 Men have more dangerous jobs than women.

06:41:36.220 Sure.

06:41:36.320 So they're going to die more.

06:41:37.500 If that's the case, then women can heal from trauma.

06:41:40.720 Like if I gave you the percentage of women who die in wars, it's extremely small.

06:41:45.680 So, I mean, we can pull it up, in fact.

06:41:48.120 Okay.

06:41:48.380 I guess what I'm saying is like, I don't, women aren't in like, would you say women are

06:41:53.020 like in a much better position when it comes to war?

06:41:54.960 Yes.

06:41:56.240 Because you can heal from trauma.

06:41:57.600 You can't heal from death.

06:41:58.940 But you can't always heal from trauma.

06:42:00.760 But you, but you have, you always have a chance to heal from trauma.

06:42:04.420 You have no chance to heal from death.

06:42:08.220 Okay.

06:42:08.740 I'll, I agree with that.

06:42:10.100 Yeah.

06:42:10.260 But what I'm still saying is women are so affected by war that it's like,

06:42:14.880 you can say there's a difference, but like, you would have to acknowledge like both are

06:42:20.180 severely affected.

06:42:20.780 Yeah.

06:42:20.960 But we're looking for the primary.

06:42:23.240 So if out of two.

06:42:24.920 Okay.

06:42:25.120 As long as women's suffering during war is not dismissed, especially when they are subject

06:42:29.440 to certain kinds of suffering.

06:42:30.260 Not at all.

06:42:30.780 It's not dismissed at all.

06:42:31.920 Also when they're subject to certain kinds of suffering in certain cases, like Sudan.

06:42:36.740 That's like really horrible.

06:42:37.660 I mean, you still, even then, let's say a woman has to watch her entire family get killed

06:42:43.940 in front of her.

06:42:45.120 I still think that that's preferable to her being one of the members of her family killed

06:42:49.260 in front of her because that's a permanent condition.

06:42:52.800 And the trauma is something which can at least be dealt with.

06:42:55.720 So you would agree that there's at least some women who go through that situation who can

06:43:00.240 deal with that trauma longterm, though it affects them horribly.

06:43:03.300 I agree.

06:43:04.440 They at least have a chance if they're fucking on, but if they're dead, they don't, they don't

06:43:10.840 even have the chance.

06:43:12.000 I mean, the way I almost see it is like, if you're alive in that circumstance, it's

06:43:16.220 so torturous.

06:43:17.440 It's torturous, but you have a chance to heal from it, or you have a chance to deal with

06:43:22.840 it.

06:43:23.000 You have at least a chance to do that.

06:43:24.840 And if you're dead, that chance, gone.

06:43:27.400 I don't think any woman's going to heal from like all her children dying.

06:43:30.900 Listen, do you think that women haven't seen that in war before and went on to continue

06:43:36.100 with life clear up until an old age?

06:43:38.120 Cause they have, and yes, the trauma's with them and it's horrible, but they at least

06:43:41.980 have that chance.

06:43:43.660 The dead don't have a chance cause they're dead.

06:43:47.740 So I think that that would be the primary victim, right?

06:43:50.140 By the metric of death toll, then yeah, men are affected worse, but both are severely

06:43:53.900 badly affected.

06:43:55.140 Well, so we acknowledge that terrible things do happen to women during wartime.

06:44:00.100 Um, it's not just, uh, roses and daisies for women, although for many, it is for prime

06:44:07.340 example here would be, I don't think wars ever roses and daisies.

06:44:11.020 Hold on.

06:44:12.400 So for example, in Ukraine, all the men had to stay.

06:44:17.480 They, they were barred, even men who weren't actively even in the military from leaving,

06:44:22.120 all the men had to stay physically prevented from leaving.

06:44:26.740 All of the women, if they were so inclined could leave.

06:44:30.400 And many of these women, where did they go?

06:44:32.880 They went, they went West, United Kingdom, Stockholm, Italy, wherever.

06:44:38.740 Got refugee status.

06:44:40.100 They went to the United States.

06:44:41.340 They went to Miami within two weeks of the Ukraine war breaking out.

06:44:45.240 You had Ukrainian women who were in Stockholm at Stockholm, Sweden, the hot, and they were

06:44:50.640 in the hottest nightclubs there partying and getting fucked by hot Swedish dudes.

06:44:55.100 And explain to me how the Ukrainian women in the Ukrainian conflict have it worse than

06:45:01.880 the Ukrainian men.

06:45:03.020 I never said they had it worse.

06:45:04.500 So who's the primary victim of war, at least as it relates to the Ukrainian war?

06:45:09.200 Well, in that case, men.

06:45:10.560 In, in that case, men.

06:45:11.960 Many women, and this isn't just related to the Ukraine conflict, many women have the option

06:45:16.660 to flee.

06:45:17.300 Okay, so what you're saying is in certain situations, women will have an advantage in

06:45:24.300 war.

06:45:24.660 Most situations.

06:45:25.700 I'm saying, I would also say in certain-

06:45:26.580 You can point to Sudan.

06:45:27.700 I can point to 99% of wars that have ever occurred.

06:45:31.220 Men have had it worse.

06:45:33.740 What, what do you, what is a male life worth to you?

06:45:36.900 Like the-

06:45:39.560 Well, what is the calculus for you?

06:45:40.960 Because you're saying, okay, well, the worst outcome for a woman would be like torture or

06:45:44.760 rape or something, right?

06:45:45.900 So then how many men would you be willing to let die to prevent one rape?

06:45:52.580 Zero.

06:45:53.640 I wouldn't want anyone.

06:45:54.500 I said, I said, I already said-

06:45:55.900 Would you allow one man to die to prevent one rape?

06:45:59.460 No.

06:46:00.620 I wouldn't allow a man to die.

06:46:01.640 I never said women's suffering was worse than men's.

06:46:03.840 Did I?

06:46:05.220 I mean, then why are you, I'm not sure why you're arguing.

06:46:08.280 When I said, but I mean, look, I wasn't aware of the statistic that men experience-

06:46:12.140 Well, how about, what if we took it this way?

06:46:14.820 Would you let one man die to prevent 10 rapes?

06:46:23.220 That's a really, that's a tough question.

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06:47:25.480 It's like, that's a tough question.

06:47:33.520 I'd say they're like similar, they're on similar levels.

06:47:36.680 If they're on similar levels, then that would mean that there would need to be at least 15

06:47:41.200 rapes for every one man dead for the women to be the primary.

06:47:43.320 I mean, it's kind of hard to like quantify that.

06:47:45.260 That would mean though, the entailment of that would mean it would be at least, at the

06:47:49.140 very least, 15 rapes per every man dead that would be necessary for women to be the primary

06:47:54.480 victims in that conflict.

06:47:55.640 I never said that women were the primary victims.

06:47:58.020 So then?

06:47:59.140 Even in my original, like, this is a topic I'm going to be honest, I'm not very educated

06:48:02.380 on.

06:48:02.560 I understand.

06:48:02.740 Even in my original paper, I never said that women were the primary victims.

06:48:05.860 I just said, all I said is both are very severely victims.

06:48:07.140 Yeah, no, but I'm asking you, based on the information you have now, would you say men

06:48:09.860 are the primary victims of war?

06:48:11.360 Well, in terms of death, yeah.

06:48:12.620 Well, not just in terms of death, but yeah, okay.

06:48:16.640 But not by, okay.

06:48:18.540 I would still say women suffer severely to the point where.

06:48:21.560 Don't disagree that women suffer.

06:48:22.800 Never, never disagree with that.

06:48:24.800 I think that's fair enough then.

06:48:26.380 Right, but you wrote both are victims.

06:48:28.600 So that suggests-

06:48:28.840 Both are victims in war.

06:48:30.160 Yes, of course.

06:48:31.300 Women do suffer during wartime.

06:48:33.160 That's all I'm saying.

06:48:34.340 But are they both equally victims?

06:48:38.840 Well, now that we've had this conversation, like, we've established death as, like, the

06:48:42.600 worst thing that can happen to you.

06:48:44.000 Do you think that?

06:48:46.420 I mean, again, like, personally-

06:48:47.680 Like, under most circumstances, you do, right?

06:48:49.560 Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to look at it from a super personally biased POV.

06:48:53.540 Yeah.

06:48:54.140 But under most circumstances, yeah.

06:48:55.140 I would view being drafted as being a victim.

06:48:57.240 Like, would you say it's a victim when a child gets taken from his home?

06:49:01.200 Right.

06:49:01.420 Like, if the guy does, if it's an involuntary draft, then I would say that's a victim.

06:49:05.180 Well, all drafts are involuntary.

06:49:06.400 You don't have to draft, right?

06:49:07.520 Right.

06:49:08.120 That's not a point.

06:49:09.060 So, I mean, you make a good point here.

06:49:12.260 And, you know, I brought this up earlier when we were talking about forced doctrine, right?

06:49:16.480 It's the idea that men, and who has to sign up for the draft here?

06:49:21.200 I don't agree with the draft.

06:49:22.340 Yeah, but who has to sign up for it here?

06:49:24.780 Well, men have to sign up for it, but I still don't-

06:49:27.160 Do women?

06:49:28.320 No.

06:49:28.940 Yeah, and do you know why?

06:49:31.020 Because men are physically stronger than women?

06:49:32.860 It's because the United States government has done nothing but test battlefield capabilities since-

06:49:38.020 When's the last time they implemented the draft?

06:49:39.800 It was in the Vietnam War.

06:49:40.960 That's a while ago.

06:49:42.900 Slavery was a while ago?

06:49:43.980 Does that no longer matter?

06:49:45.400 Yeah.

06:49:45.680 Does that not have an impact on black Americans?

06:49:47.500 But worse is, like, it wasn't that long ago.

06:49:50.520 You know?

06:49:51.180 It was during my dad's lifetime.

06:49:53.360 So it wasn't that long ago.

06:49:55.040 It's not like we're talking about, you know, ancient history here.

06:49:58.080 And it could be re-implemented, and men still have to sign up for it, and women don't.

06:50:01.540 And the reason is because the U.S. government and governments around the world, when they have any type of conscription,

06:50:07.620 they look at the entire history and the competence of, you know, who on the battlefield could actually do the job.

06:50:17.500 And they always come down to men.

06:50:19.040 Well, I agree.

06:50:19.500 Men are victims of the draft.

06:50:20.500 When I said, like, both, also I was thinking about, like, how there are certain types of suffering that, like, only women will be able to experience during war.

06:50:27.760 Like, my head went to, like, in Gaza, women who are pregnant, they don't have access to, like, the medical, like, care that is needed for that kind of situation.

06:50:38.740 And, like, women who are breastfeeding in that situation literally are drawing from their own, like, nutritional storage to the point where they're, like, becoming malnourished themselves.

06:50:47.720 And, like, that's just an example of something I thought of that would only directly affect women during war.

06:50:51.820 But obviously, like, by every other metric, men experience, like, die more.

06:50:55.640 Sure, I think I'd be willing to grant that.

06:50:57.560 And also, women are subject to rape a lot more than men.

06:50:59.740 But continue, sorry.

06:51:02.240 Yeah, women have unique issues that they face in all kinds of facets of life.

06:51:09.940 I just think it's an interesting thing to push on.

06:51:13.840 You saying that would be akin to me, saying, you know what, when women go through the struggles of, like, pregnancy, you know,

06:51:20.460 when I'm sitting by my, you know, future girlfriend, wife's bedside, and she's squeezing my hand really hard,

06:51:29.120 and she's pushing a child out of her vagina that's maybe ripping her apart a little bit.

06:51:36.120 I've been there.

06:51:38.480 Poor Andrew's hand.

06:51:39.860 Poor Andrew's hand was squeezed really hard, and it was bruised for a couple days.

06:51:43.480 But, and he's the primaries.

06:51:46.500 Actually, most of it was my wife swearing at the midwife and calling her a fucking incompetent idiot, which I thought was funny.

06:51:54.100 No, you fucking idiot.

06:51:55.760 I was like, yes.

06:51:57.260 It'd be like us men saying, well, us men are the, I wouldn't say, as it relates to pregnancy,

06:52:03.220 I wouldn't categorize it under, like, a victimization.

06:52:06.160 But I'll say suffering.

06:52:07.040 I think women suffer from physical pain, and there's probably stress related to pregnancy.

06:52:12.400 That would be like me saying men are the primary sufferers of pregnancy,

06:52:17.440 because they have to witness their wives being in pain,

06:52:22.000 and their wife squeezes their hand really hard when she's giving birth or something.

06:52:27.640 I'm a little confused on what that has to do with what I said.

06:52:30.020 Well, he's making, he's just trying to make it the analogy.

06:52:33.200 So it works something like this.

06:52:34.840 It works, I suffer watching all of the pain that my wife is in when she's pregnant,

06:52:40.540 and I suffer having to watch her give birth, and it does damage to her, right?

06:52:46.260 It's very traumatic.

06:52:48.520 And so the thing is, though, is like, but which is more traumatic,

06:52:53.140 her giving birth or me having to witness it?

06:52:56.460 Her giving birth.

06:52:57.320 Right.

06:52:57.580 And so the analogy that he's drawing is like, which is more traumatic,

06:53:01.200 the fact that you have to witness your husband's death, or you die, right?

06:53:07.060 He's trying to draw the parallel that way.

06:53:08.820 Well, you already said death was like the worst thing.

06:53:10.500 Yeah, I get it.

06:53:11.020 I already got on with that point.

06:53:12.760 All right, I'm going to blast through these.

06:53:14.280 The pizza should be here soon.

06:53:16.760 Let's see.

06:53:17.460 Women do not have, I don't know if,

06:53:19.120 women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.

06:53:22.760 Lola, you agree with that statement?

06:53:25.640 Why is that?

06:53:32.400 Sorry, before I make a bold claim,

06:53:33.900 I want to make sure this is something that I do genuinely still agree with,

06:53:36.640 because this is something we discussed last time.

06:53:39.120 Well, you circled it today, so.

06:53:40.380 I did, and then there have been, you know,

06:53:42.440 eight or so hours since of discussion.

06:53:45.060 We've changed your mind on that, I guess,

06:53:47.000 even though we didn't really talk about rights too much.

06:53:49.000 Well, I do think that there was an important discussion about defining rights,

06:53:52.540 but, yeah, again, that one's not too fresh in my mind.

06:53:57.040 Well, rights are social constructs.

06:53:59.660 Sure, so if we're talking like government-given rights,

06:54:02.460 like laws and stuff, then no, I don't agree with that statement.

06:54:06.280 If we're talking, are they treated equally in society?

06:54:09.620 What government-given rights?

06:54:11.060 I'm sorry?

06:54:11.640 What government-given rights?

06:54:12.920 I think she says that government-given rights.

06:54:15.200 Government-given rights, I think we are equal under the law.

06:54:17.960 Oh, okay, I see.

06:54:19.520 What social rights?

06:54:20.600 I think socially women are assumed to be less competent.

06:54:25.800 At some things.

06:54:27.420 I mean, I've been in plenty of situations

06:54:29.540 where my gender doesn't necessarily play a role

06:54:31.400 in the conversation being had yet.

06:54:34.060 Like, I don't think that women are socially viewed

06:54:36.160 as being incompetent at nursing, for instance.

06:54:39.160 They're not usually socially viewed that way.

06:54:40.760 They're not usually socially viewed at being incompetent

06:54:43.100 as being kindergarten teachers.

06:54:44.720 Yeah, not at everything.

06:54:46.760 They're only the things that men are actually more competent at, right?

06:54:50.200 No, because I also don't think that they're more competent at nursing.

06:54:52.840 Can you give me an example of a thing

06:54:54.140 that women are viewed as being more incompetent at than men?

06:54:57.560 Math.

06:54:57.640 That isn't a thing that, well, men are better at math than women.

06:55:01.780 Based on what?

06:55:02.980 Pull it up.

06:55:04.760 You'll see it at the edges.

06:55:06.280 Yes, they're better at math, unfortunately for you.

06:55:08.360 How is this quantified?

06:55:09.820 Well, actually, this is easily testable.

06:55:12.500 Just like IQ is easily testable, yes.

06:55:14.460 Okay, sure.

06:55:15.640 You take a sample size of however,

06:55:17.520 and that represents the entire gender.

06:55:20.780 Yes.

06:55:21.440 Actually, yes.

06:55:22.360 In this particular case, yes.

06:55:23.720 You can quantify that men are better at mathematics than women, yes.

06:55:26.740 I don't necessarily think so.

06:55:27.860 I think you can say a man is more likely to be better at math than a woman,

06:55:31.160 but I don't think that it's fair to be treated

06:55:33.040 as if it's something you can't possibly be competent in,

06:55:35.680 which is something I have personally experienced.

06:55:36.100 That's not my point.

06:55:36.700 My point isn't whether or not it is the case that women can be viewed

06:55:41.020 as less competent than men in a field.

06:55:43.120 I asked you, what field is it that men are not better at

06:55:47.880 that women are viewed as being incompetent in

06:55:50.920 that they're actually better at than men?

06:55:53.920 What?

06:55:54.640 Okay, sure.

06:55:55.380 In that case...

06:55:57.520 Nothing.

06:55:59.100 I can add something.

06:55:59.920 Right?

06:56:00.580 Nothing?

06:56:00.820 Could I have a moment?

06:56:02.240 Sure.

06:56:03.460 I don't know.

06:56:04.120 I think that I have been viewed as less competent

06:56:05.980 in nearly every school subject by different people.

06:56:09.760 That's not what I asked.

06:56:10.860 And I don't think that's something that women are not.

06:56:12.800 What I asked is,

06:56:13.560 what socially are women viewed at being less competent in

06:56:18.920 that men aren't actually more competent in?

06:56:23.180 Any history subject I've taken in school?

06:56:26.380 What?

06:56:27.700 Men are far...

06:56:28.920 This is not a career.

06:56:29.140 There's way more historians that are men than women.

06:56:32.400 Way more.

06:56:33.040 Okay, so I'm going to ask you now,

06:56:34.920 is your claim going to be in whatever I say,

06:56:37.680 that men are just better at everything?

06:56:39.040 No.

06:56:39.320 My claim will only be that in the subjects that men,

06:56:42.840 or not just the subjects,

06:56:44.260 but occupations that men are better in than women,

06:56:47.640 on average,

06:56:48.640 are going to be the occupations that you can point to

06:56:51.040 that women are seen as less competent than men in.

06:56:54.440 And I think that that's a rightful social assumption

06:56:57.920 because men are generally better in those fields.

06:56:59.880 And the fields that women are generally better at than men,

06:57:02.720 they're not.

06:57:03.960 I think occupations are more densely packed with men

06:57:06.620 for other reasons other than competence.

06:57:08.900 Like what?

06:57:10.660 Oh, Brian and I have already been here.

06:57:13.220 Women are strongly encouraged not to be educated,

06:57:16.140 and that's only something that's been combated very,

06:57:18.100 very recently.

06:57:18.720 They're strongly encouraged to be educated.

06:57:19.460 Very, very recently.

06:57:20.620 That is something that's been combated.

06:57:22.260 How recently?

06:57:23.520 I would say in the last 10 years.

06:57:25.660 No, the last 30 years.

06:57:26.780 They've been running campaigns that women need to go to college

06:57:30.040 the last 30 years.

06:57:31.280 Why do you think?

06:57:31.720 Last 10 years?

06:57:32.080 Yeah.

06:57:32.620 I grew up being told.

06:57:34.160 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

06:57:34.520 Yes.

06:57:34.920 Really quick.

06:57:35.540 Just one quick stat here.

06:57:36.620 Since it's either 1979, 1980,

06:57:39.440 women have been going to college more than men.

06:57:42.120 So women who graduated in 1980 are now 65,

06:57:45.100 and they're retired.

06:57:45.760 So that's an entire workforce generation of you've had women

06:57:50.320 who have been participating in college,

06:57:52.420 graduating from college.

06:57:52.620 And much better educated.

06:57:54.080 Graduating with degrees from college since the 1980s.

06:57:57.680 You guys just made the argument that the Vietnam War

06:57:59.760 wasn't that long ago,

06:58:00.640 but the 1970s, it's suddenly like stale old history.

06:58:03.800 Well, you said 10 years ago.

06:58:05.380 I do think that within the last 10 years

06:58:06.820 is when it has become more socially pushed

06:58:08.760 that women should value an education.

06:58:10.580 I'll just go ahead and grant it, right?

06:58:12.200 Okay.

06:58:13.300 They're still not going into STEM fields.

06:58:14.720 I disagree with that.

06:58:15.960 There's more women in med schools right now.

06:58:16.900 I also can speak.

06:58:18.580 Wait, wait, wait.

06:58:19.240 Yes.

06:58:20.100 Correct me if I'm wrong.

06:58:20.840 STEM fields.

06:58:21.820 Med school STEM.

06:58:22.620 Well, here's the thing.

06:58:23.640 Even if I grant that medical is,

06:58:25.760 we have to take STEM fields as all STEM fields.

06:58:30.180 Yeah.

06:58:30.600 Okay, but it's a very important part of STEM.

06:58:32.840 Sure.

06:58:33.380 Science, technology, engineering, mathematics.

06:58:35.920 That's what STEM stands for.

06:58:36.500 They're not going into those fields.

06:58:38.820 Why?

06:58:39.360 Because they have no interest in them.

06:58:40.760 Yeah, I think another big part of it.

06:58:42.700 If it's not true, then why is it that they're actually decreasing their participation in STEM?

06:58:47.820 Why?

06:58:48.400 Women?

06:58:48.920 Yeah.

06:58:49.500 I truly don't know what to tell you.

06:58:50.860 I'm sure that you have some stats to, you know, based on what you're saying.

06:58:54.460 These aren't stats which are particularly controversial.

06:58:57.020 It's either you're going in to get a degree in STEM or you ain't.

06:59:00.520 Okay, sure.

06:59:01.620 From my perspective, I mean, I can only speak on anecdotal what I've experienced.

06:59:05.920 I'm a college student right now.

06:59:07.180 The majority of men I am friends with are not STEM majors.

06:59:09.980 The majority of women I am friends with are STEM majors.

06:59:11.980 Yeah, fucking right.

06:59:13.480 I really...

06:59:14.300 Yeah, fucking right.

06:59:15.040 I'm sorry.

06:59:15.440 I do feel the need to point out that every time...

06:59:18.200 What a crock of fucking horseshit.

06:59:19.460 Every time something doesn't align with what you believe...

06:59:22.280 That's the biggest crock of fucking horseshit I've ever heard.

06:59:24.520 The men, the women that you know are all going into STEM and the men aren't.

06:59:28.540 What are the fields that men are going into?

06:59:30.900 Poli Sci.

06:59:31.780 I have friends in econ.

06:59:34.020 I have friends in English.

06:59:35.080 I have friends in writing and literature with me.

06:59:36.760 And what are the women going into that are STEM fields?

06:59:38.480 My brilliant roommate is a biology major.

06:59:41.440 She's double majoring in biology and history with a...

06:59:44.000 I don't know what her minor is.

06:59:46.620 I have more female friends in biology.

06:59:49.460 I have a female friend in chemistry.

06:59:51.180 I have some female friends in writing and literature with me.

06:59:53.400 You know what?

06:59:54.200 I'll even grant all this to you, even though I think you're full of shit.

06:59:57.040 You're more than one.

06:59:57.560 What are you going in for?

06:59:58.900 Writing and literature.

06:59:59.720 Ah, and what are you going in for?

07:00:01.720 Psychological and pre-science is pre-med.

07:00:03.160 And you, college educated?

07:00:04.440 She's pre-med.

07:00:04.740 I was in photojournalism.

07:00:07.100 Ah.

07:00:07.600 I dropped out.

07:00:08.220 Interesting.

07:00:08.720 In college?

07:00:09.960 I didn't.

07:00:10.360 Into my consideration.

07:00:11.280 But what were you going for?

07:00:13.460 Kinesiology and dietetics.

07:00:14.860 Okay.

07:00:15.560 Health and nutrition.

07:00:16.520 Okay.

07:00:17.360 Computer science.

07:00:18.260 Uh-huh.

07:00:18.940 So...

07:00:19.260 So one?

07:00:19.860 It's just not...

07:00:20.520 Is there just one?

07:00:21.240 I'm going into STEM.

07:00:22.340 I'm trying to go to med school.

07:00:24.640 You have to be a psychiatrist.

07:00:26.100 Yeah, but that didn't work in your favor.

07:00:28.280 That is not a STEM field.

07:00:30.260 That did not just work in your favor.

07:00:31.500 Yeah, you just heard what I said.

07:00:32.780 Psychology is not a STEM field.

07:00:34.060 It's a pseudo-scientific nonsense.

07:00:36.180 It's psychiatry.

07:00:36.380 It's about understanding psychiatric medication, which is heavily science-based.

07:00:39.600 What is it called?

07:00:41.400 Psychiatry.

07:00:42.320 Oh, you said you're going in to be a psychiatrist.

07:00:45.160 Or some other kind of doctor.

07:00:46.240 I'm still open to other specialties.

07:00:47.800 But right now, what are you in for?

07:00:50.460 My major?

07:00:51.280 Yeah.

07:00:51.920 Psychological and brain sciences, which is a BS.

07:00:53.780 Do you know what pre-med school is?

07:00:55.020 You have to take a major such as this to eventually get into med school.

07:00:59.040 Tell this to my chem professor.

07:01:00.180 Yeah, this is unbelievable.

07:01:01.980 By the way, UCSB, there's like a pretty crazy gender ratio.

07:01:05.520 I think it's like 55-45.

07:01:08.940 So it might actually parse just because of the gender ratio.

07:01:12.320 No, but it can't be possible that I'm telling the truth.

07:01:14.660 I literally still don't believe it.

07:01:15.840 I just don't believe it.

07:01:17.820 Okay.

07:01:18.140 I do think that it is important to...

07:01:19.700 It's a bachelor's of science.

07:01:20.480 Sorry.

07:01:20.840 It's not my major.

07:01:21.140 It's a bachelor's of science.

07:01:22.040 It's a bachelor in bullshit.

07:01:23.720 I'm required to take...

07:01:24.340 It's a fucking psychology degree.

07:01:25.880 Bachelor in bullshit.

07:01:27.080 Okay.

07:01:27.400 Can I say something?

07:01:28.120 Yeah, you can say whatever you want.

07:01:29.180 It doesn't matter.

07:01:29.420 I'm supposed to take science classes.

07:01:30.920 I have to take a chemistry sequence this year, a biology sequence the next year,

07:01:34.380 physics sequence the next year.

07:01:35.640 All right.

07:01:35.900 Let me ask you a question.

07:01:36.720 You're a second year?

07:01:37.620 I'm a first year.

07:01:38.320 Oh, your first year.

07:01:39.140 You just started?

07:01:39.900 Yeah.

07:01:40.080 Okay.

07:01:40.640 Got it.

07:01:41.480 What year are you?

07:01:42.440 I'm a third year.

07:01:43.280 And your literature?

07:01:44.260 Yes.

07:01:44.640 Yeah.

07:01:45.620 I think historically you are correct, but we might be seeing a new future with all the

07:01:50.560 independent women.

07:01:51.600 Who knows?

07:01:52.260 No.

07:01:52.520 We ain't seeing a new future.

07:01:53.960 They're not going into STEM fields.

07:01:55.720 They're not doing it.

07:01:56.980 No.

07:01:57.140 I think mostly women, a lot of them tend to want to do more nurturing things in life,

07:02:02.880 whether it's professionally or just personally.

07:02:05.000 So some don't join the career field because they became mothers.

07:02:08.260 They drop out of their job.

07:02:09.000 Yeah, that's true.

07:02:09.740 So a lot of women do that.

07:02:10.280 But I'm just talking specifically about STEM versus non-STEM when it comes to men and women.

07:02:14.620 Absolutely.

07:02:15.040 And they're just not going into STEM fields.

07:02:16.520 Is medicine STEM?

07:02:17.820 Yes.

07:02:18.340 Is psychiatry medicine?

07:02:19.920 No.

07:02:20.540 Yes?

07:02:21.060 No.

07:02:21.380 Psychiatrists are doctors.

07:02:22.340 They have MDs.

07:02:23.000 They go to medical school.

07:02:23.740 The thing is, is like, they have to study all the same stuff that other doctors do.

07:02:26.580 Here's the thing, right?

07:02:27.820 It's like-

07:02:28.400 They're prescribing medication.

07:02:29.100 I agree that they're doing prescriptions for medication, right?

07:02:32.820 But as far as me considering psychiatry, not quackery, just like psychology, I still

07:02:39.460 consider them both quackery.

07:02:41.060 I consider them pseudoscientific persons.

07:02:42.800 That's an opinion.

07:02:43.440 They're like, what does the internet say?

07:02:45.760 What does the internet say?

07:02:46.560 Can we do some fact-checking on that?

07:02:47.520 Google, not like the internet.

07:02:48.780 I'm just curious.

07:02:49.340 There's like actual statistics of that.

07:02:51.600 I don't know.

07:02:52.080 I think medical and psychiatry and psychology even.

07:02:56.120 And teaching.

07:02:57.280 That's your category.

07:02:57.960 Yeah.

07:02:58.320 I know.

07:02:58.820 And teaching.

07:02:59.680 I think those are all nurturing careers.

07:03:02.140 So it's still not STEM.

07:03:03.340 It's not like plain math.

07:03:04.840 It's not like computer science, you know?

07:03:06.400 I feel like those statistics are still less female.

07:03:09.000 Yeah.

07:03:09.140 I just, yeah, I still consider even psychiatry-based.

07:03:14.440 Unless, unless specifically, like there's, it's specifically about neuroscience and you're

07:03:21.500 mapping out the brain or something like that.

07:03:23.660 You have to study medications and how they affect the brain.

07:03:26.380 I'm sorry.

07:03:26.780 I do have to move on just for the sake of time.

07:03:28.560 Really quick, Savannah, you had circled that too.

07:03:31.780 Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.

07:03:34.300 Why do you say that?

07:03:35.740 Well, my perspective and what I was thinking is that women not having, not having a choice

07:03:42.440 of an abortion in some states.

07:03:45.040 That was where, and it just comes down to not being able to have bodily autonomy.

07:03:49.880 So besides that, anything else?

07:03:51.860 No, not necessarily.

07:03:52.660 I actually don't even understand that one.

07:03:54.720 Like, women can't have abortions, but neither can men.

07:03:58.080 Sounds like equal rights to me.

07:04:00.220 Yeah, but men aren't being told that they.

07:04:04.100 Can men have abortions?

07:04:05.480 No, but they could have vasectomies and they're not being forced into that.

07:04:07.860 Can women have their ovaries fried?

07:04:09.420 Can they, can they have hysterectomies?

07:04:12.780 Are they allowed to have their tubes tied?

07:04:14.020 Yes, they are.

07:04:14.880 So the thing is like, men can't have abortions.

07:04:17.260 Women can't have abortions.

07:04:18.380 Sounds equal.

07:04:19.360 What's unequal about that?

07:04:21.880 This is like gay marriage.

07:04:23.620 Yeah.

07:04:23.940 They are.

07:04:24.360 They're always like, well, two, two men can't get married, you know, or two women can't get

07:04:29.660 married.

07:04:30.160 Who could marry?

07:04:31.200 Well, it's like, it's so bizarre to me because I always think on the, on the equality thing,

07:04:36.880 it's like, um, how is it if you have men who can't have abortions and women are not allowed

07:04:44.960 to have abortions?

07:04:45.680 How's that not equal?

07:04:47.600 Anybody explain that to me?

07:04:48.680 From my, from what I, how I was thinking about it is that men are able to make health decisions

07:04:53.720 about their health and the things that are happening to their body.

07:04:57.900 Like where, but it's just like straight men can't marry men and gay men can't marry men.

07:05:02.280 That's equal.

07:05:03.920 If men can't get abortions, women can't get abortions.

07:05:07.180 That's equal.

07:05:07.960 Like that's why I've never understood the argument for equality there.

07:05:11.540 Okay.

07:05:12.300 I just never have.

07:05:14.340 If, if it's, if it's in gay marriage, same shit.

07:05:17.680 Yeah.

07:05:18.300 Well, I can't marry a man.

07:05:19.580 It's like, I can't either.

07:05:20.560 I think because, because we're, because we're talking about equal rights, that would have

07:05:27.880 to, that relates to a comparison between men and women.

07:05:31.940 So you would have to assert that men possess a right that women don't.

07:05:36.280 In this case, women possess a right in certain States that men don't.

07:05:42.100 Obviously though, men, I either, either men can, you would have to have either men can prevent

07:05:49.640 women from getting abortions or men can force women to get abortions.

07:05:53.720 Neither of which is the case.

07:05:56.300 Neither of which is the case.

07:05:57.880 So it sounds like it's equal, right?

07:06:00.360 To me, like, even if it was the other way around, you could say if abortion is legal.

07:06:04.860 Okay.

07:06:05.260 Well then I guess men could get abortions and women can get abortions, but it, it would

07:06:09.940 be equal the opposite way too.

07:06:11.400 Right?

07:06:11.760 Yeah.

07:06:11.960 I understand what you're saying.

07:06:13.460 Uh, all right.

07:06:14.260 Women are oppressed in the USA to which Lola, you said, uh, you, you think women are oppressed

07:06:21.200 in the USA, Savannah, you think women are oppressed in the USA, Courtney, you think women are oppressed

07:06:25.660 in the USA.

07:06:26.280 We'll start with Courtney.

07:06:27.140 Courtney, why is that?

07:06:29.100 I think since antiquity, women have not been able to be represented fully.

07:06:36.260 And so when first wave feminism came by and granted us like the, um, ability to have, you

07:06:45.140 know, equal property rights, like after marriage, it's like that enabled women to be able to

07:06:50.400 divorce.

07:06:51.000 And because the only other two reasons for divorce under marital law was, um, wait, wait, wait,

07:06:57.560 hold on.

07:06:57.940 I'm sorry to interrupt you, but just for the sake of moving things along properly, the statement

07:07:03.140 women is, women are, not women were.

07:07:06.100 So as you're, you're talking about historical inequalities that you believe existed, but

07:07:13.300 are women currently oppressed in the United States?

07:07:16.700 Okay.

07:07:17.060 Okay.

07:07:17.320 My apologies.

07:07:18.180 Um, yeah, I, I, I believe that this is kind of a more metaphysical standpoint, but I think

07:07:24.740 that women are oppressed by their, uh, their birth, uh, clock by not, by taking about 30.

07:07:33.600 Yeah.

07:07:34.500 Sorry.

07:07:34.860 I'm just saying, I'm just saying there's a lot of pressure on women.

07:07:37.360 How's that a metaphysical claim?

07:07:38.740 And what, how would that be a pressure?

07:07:40.940 But most importantly, how's it a metaphysical claim?

07:07:43.380 That would be, wouldn't that be an ontological claim?

07:07:46.220 She's watched too much of your stuff, Andrew.

07:07:47.780 And she's heard you say metaphysical.

07:07:49.780 Yeah, but that's it.

07:07:50.820 I mean, you're just, you're talking about being here, right?

07:07:53.180 I'm, I'm, I'm looking for the word, but it's not a direct, like physical oppression.

07:07:58.380 So, okay.

07:07:59.540 It's like an oppression, oppression of nature.

07:08:01.460 I'm trying, it's an oppression that women are so pressurized to find that partner, but

07:08:08.120 before they're 35, it puts a lot of pressure on, uh, on us.

07:08:11.400 And I also believe because of that women are oppressed each other because we are in competition

07:08:17.540 by the time we're 35.

07:08:18.780 It, it creates a very chaotic landscape for dating.

07:08:23.360 So then who are they oppressed by?

07:08:24.980 By other women.

07:08:26.360 No, it sounds like they're oppressed by nature and their own desires.

07:08:29.560 Yeah, no shit.

07:08:30.260 That literally sounds like you're just saying we have a biological clock that functions.

07:08:34.540 If we want to have children, we have to do it within the confines of that biological clock.

07:08:38.720 And so that creates like competition.

07:08:41.200 Maybe I don't think that's the government oppressing anyone.

07:08:43.420 No.

07:08:43.700 Yeah.

07:08:43.820 I'm not saying the government, it just says, are women oppressed?

07:08:46.580 Well, are women oppressed usually means like, is somebody oppressing them?

07:08:50.320 Yeah.

07:08:50.540 There's, there's an implication.

07:08:52.940 Yeah.

07:08:53.160 There's a bit of an implication there.

07:08:54.700 Um, okay.

07:08:55.240 So also, uh, Savannah, you also circled that.

07:08:59.300 How are women oppressed?

07:09:00.180 Um, after listening to the conversation here today, um, talking about how men have allowed

07:09:08.600 women to have what they have, um, from their benevolence, I think that I wouldn't circle

07:09:16.380 that after hearing your opinion because it changed how I feel considering that.

07:09:22.000 Um, yeah, I do agree with you, um, after considering it.

07:09:27.000 Good.

07:09:27.540 Okay.

07:09:27.900 And then, uh, Lola, how are women oppressed in the USA?

07:09:31.520 It's the same answer as my other one.

07:09:33.800 Looked down upon.

07:09:34.940 Oh, sorry.

07:09:35.360 No, no, no.

07:09:35.680 Uh, what I, what I said before in response to the rights.

07:09:37.720 They're looked down upon?

07:09:38.720 Looked down upon, taken less seriously, um, less opportunity.

07:09:42.980 Less opportunity?

07:09:43.960 It's the same conversation we just had.

07:09:46.080 I think that if women are taken less seriously, then they're less likely to be offered opportunities.

07:09:50.640 In DEI America?

07:09:52.000 Huh?

07:09:52.540 Yes, in DEI America.

07:09:53.520 That's crazy.

07:09:54.980 Do I...

07:09:55.560 Can I tell you your mic down just a little bit?

07:09:58.320 DEI America is purely performative.

07:10:00.420 It's not how companies actually operate.

07:10:02.440 It's for show.

07:10:04.180 I see.

07:10:05.580 So, help me out here when we're talking about oppression, when you say social oppression.

07:10:11.720 Sure.

07:10:12.540 I mean, again, I don't even think that oppression is necessarily the word that I would directly

07:10:16.300 go for, um, but I do...

07:10:18.780 What word would you go for?

07:10:19.960 Um, I, I would probably default to looked down on.

07:10:27.160 So, not oppressed?

07:10:28.760 Sure.

07:10:29.280 But, I mean, uh, I, my assumption of the question was that this would fit the category.

07:10:34.000 Okay.

07:10:34.420 I don't see how.

07:10:35.620 Okay.

07:10:36.060 Fair enough.

07:10:37.240 All right.

07:10:37.940 Um, let's see.

07:10:39.800 One sec.

07:10:40.640 Hold on.

07:10:41.140 Uh, and...

07:10:44.620 Wait.

07:10:46.140 Oh, we're gonna skip there.

07:10:48.060 Uh, there was one here that I thought was interesting, but I cannot find it.

07:10:53.940 There's also...

07:10:54.560 No, we're not gonna, we're not gonna do those.

07:10:57.800 Uh, here, I'll just do a few from here.

07:11:00.140 Uh, Shona, you say men should provide and protect.

07:11:03.520 Protect.

07:11:04.780 Yeah.

07:11:05.360 Okay.

07:11:05.800 So, you have a sort of traditional gender expectation on men?

07:11:09.380 I won't, I won't, like, again, I don't believe in, like, police...

07:11:12.260 Yeah.

07:11:12.660 I don't believe in, like, policing men and what they should do, like, as a man, if you...

07:11:15.860 But your own preference?

07:11:17.080 Yeah, I'd prefer men who would provide and...

07:11:18.760 Okay.

07:11:19.120 Or, no, not provide, not financially, like, support me fully, but I'd say protect more so.

07:11:23.640 Protect, okay.

07:11:25.000 Um, so...

07:11:25.840 Appealing men to men for force?

07:11:31.700 Just pointing that out.

07:11:34.420 But when you say protect you, do you mean, like, for example, he should observe the sidewalk

07:11:37.960 rule, so he should walk closer to, you know, the cars are barreling down, he should walk

07:11:42.420 closer to where, so he could, I guess, in some hypothetical, you know, the, he gets hit

07:11:49.560 by the car instead of you.

07:11:50.900 Well, those aren't even examples I would, like, think of, like, that come to mind.

07:11:54.180 I think it's just more, like, instinctually, just, like, having that attitude.

07:11:57.720 Okay.

07:11:58.940 But you will keep your last name or hyphenate in marriage.

07:12:02.040 And what about your children?

07:12:03.520 Will they hyphenate?

07:12:05.560 I'd probably hyphenate and they'd probably have his last name.

07:12:08.020 But, like, also within a relationship with a man, like, obviously, like, there's certain

07:12:12.140 expectations of, like, from, that men have for women to be, like, feminine and stuff like

07:12:17.360 that.

07:12:17.660 And I guess, like, that's the woman's role in that dynamic in my personal preference,

07:12:21.920 like, dating life.

07:12:23.300 Gotcha.

07:12:23.920 Okay.

07:12:25.920 Hmm.

07:12:27.200 Okay.

07:12:29.540 Is there anything else that I find interesting on the questionnaire?

07:12:34.360 Past should not matter.

07:12:35.660 We'll just do that.

07:12:36.360 Past should not matter to which...

07:12:40.360 Let's see.

07:12:41.980 Lola, you agree.

07:12:45.580 Hold on.

07:12:47.500 Melissa, you agree.

07:12:49.980 Savannah, you agree.

07:12:51.820 Courtney, you agree.

07:12:52.920 Past should not matter as it relates to body count.

07:12:55.700 I guess to make things simple, going around the table.

07:13:01.300 Past should not matter.

07:13:02.540 Starting with Courtney, then, I guess, what's your body count?

07:13:07.360 I'm not.

07:13:08.740 I think in today's era, women promiscuity is looked down upon and it can have real-world

07:13:14.660 consequences.

07:13:16.020 So I will not be answering that.

07:13:18.540 What do you mean by real-world consequences?

07:13:20.340 Real-world consequences.

07:13:22.320 In the biblical days, it used to be, by any women promiscuity, they were killed.

07:13:28.300 And today, in modernity, and yes, in modernity, it's not that way.

07:13:33.960 I'm working my way to that.

07:13:35.500 Thank you.

07:13:36.600 It's that people might not accept you for a job.

07:13:39.960 People may not date you.

07:13:42.040 It's even appearing on this podcast that poses that risk.

07:13:44.680 It's like, it's a judgment.

07:13:46.540 It's reputation disparaging.

07:13:49.260 It's...

07:13:49.540 Judge me.

07:13:50.460 All right.

07:13:50.980 What's your body count?

07:13:52.220 It seems like you'll be a good sport in answer the question.

07:13:54.720 Into the mic.

07:13:55.560 Into the mic.

07:13:55.820 I'm going to be honest, from like 18 to like 22, I don't know.

07:14:01.600 I hooked up with friends a lot.

07:14:03.460 Lost count?

07:14:04.040 Yeah.

07:14:04.680 But since 2021, it's been like seven.

07:14:09.680 Okay.

07:14:10.800 What do you think it was before 2021, though?

07:14:16.400 I was having fun.

07:14:18.360 It was like, I don't know, the friends that I went out with and stuff, it was...

07:14:21.720 Ballpark.

07:14:22.560 Ballpark.

07:14:22.680 Oh, the number?

07:14:24.000 Oh.

07:14:24.100 Total.

07:14:24.900 Let's just ballpark the total.

07:14:28.300 30.

07:14:29.460 Okay.

07:14:30.380 What about you?

07:14:31.440 I lost count, too, but I would say in the ballpark of 30.

07:14:34.920 Ballpark 30?

07:14:36.420 Probably like 13-ish.

07:14:37.960 13-ish.

07:14:38.620 Okay.

07:14:39.300 Four.

07:14:40.560 17 to 19.

07:14:41.700 That's a foursome thing.

07:14:43.780 It's like it's an asterisk.

07:14:46.080 All right.

07:14:46.460 What about you?

07:14:47.300 One.

07:14:47.900 We got married very early.

07:14:49.580 One.

07:14:50.000 Okay.

07:14:50.600 Felicity, what about you?

07:14:51.760 Two.

07:14:52.020 Does it bother you that your husband...

07:14:54.840 He's a player?

07:14:55.340 He's a little bit...

07:14:56.340 He's a little ladies' man.

07:14:57.360 No, I kind of find it flattering that he settled down for me.

07:14:59.700 He said...

07:15:00.040 Okay, there you go.

07:15:01.320 All right.

07:15:02.600 And Shona, BC?

07:15:06.660 Oh, body count?

07:15:08.600 Yeah.

07:15:09.020 Zero.

07:15:10.360 All right.

07:15:10.980 Good times.

07:15:11.920 Good times.

07:15:12.660 Do you think the guy who you're currently dating, he could be the one?

07:15:15.440 I'm not dating him.

07:15:16.500 We're just seeing each other.

07:15:17.460 Like, getting to know each other.

07:15:19.800 Like, doesn't dating imply relationship?

07:15:21.700 No, no.

07:15:22.200 I don't think necessarily.

07:15:23.380 We've not even gone on a date yet.

07:15:25.540 I don't know.

07:15:26.020 Some people think dating is like exclusivity, but I don't know.

07:15:29.140 It just depends on you, I guess.

07:15:30.760 Okay.

07:15:31.440 I think dating is a strong term, but maybe, maybe in the future.

07:15:34.580 I don't think I'm going to be ready for a relationship for a long time.

07:15:36.820 You're making dates to meet up and see each other.

07:15:38.420 We've not had dates so far.

07:15:40.140 But you're seeing each other.

07:15:41.000 You're hanging out.

07:15:41.880 I mean...

07:15:42.280 Situation ship.

07:15:43.020 It's not a situation ship.

07:15:44.100 We're just talking right now.

07:15:45.080 If you meet up with a friend, it's a play date.

07:15:47.080 If you meet up with a...

07:15:49.060 Lover.

07:15:49.880 Potential lover, that is also a play date.

07:15:55.120 Okay.

07:15:55.440 I mean, by that standard, then sure.

07:15:57.280 I don't know.

07:15:57.620 Just getting to know him.

07:15:59.520 I don't know him.

07:16:00.480 Like, we're not that close or like close to being in a relationship yet, which is where

07:16:05.680 I'm drawing the distinction.

07:16:06.700 But maybe one day.

07:16:07.520 Who knows?

07:16:08.860 All right.

07:16:09.360 Um, I'm going to let some of the roast session come through.

07:16:15.640 Chaw XD donated $69.

07:16:18.340 Thank you, Chaw.

07:16:19.100 Wonderful stream tonight, boys.

07:16:21.380 World-class interrogations, as always.

07:16:24.600 Was expecting to see Amaranth being dismantled tonight, but oddly found the two of them to

07:16:29.600 be quite pleasant.

07:16:31.020 Still hate sex work.

07:16:33.400 Any response there?

07:16:35.160 You didn't say prostitution.

07:16:35.760 I hate it, too.

07:16:36.940 I just like the money from it.

07:16:38.300 Right.

07:16:38.980 Wait, sorry, repeat that.

07:16:39.860 I hate sex work, too.

07:16:41.400 I just like the money from it a lot.

07:16:43.320 I don't, you know, enjoy the concept of people feeling like they have to be that.

07:16:46.580 What kind of watch do you have?

07:16:47.380 Just curious.

07:16:47.920 Yeah.

07:16:48.600 This is a, no, this is an AP.

07:16:50.940 Yeah.

07:16:51.280 It's an AP chrono diamond down.

07:16:53.960 Yeah.

07:16:54.160 Nice.

07:16:55.880 There you go.

07:16:56.680 Uh, right.

07:16:57.580 We have, uh, Chaw again.

07:17:00.020 Chaw XD donated $69.

07:17:03.180 I hate to bring it back to Chair 7's story, but I have to ask.

07:17:08.300 Did you withhold your daughter from your ex-husband?

07:17:11.280 Did he actively seek contact with her that you put a stop to?

07:17:16.220 No.

07:17:17.020 I did not withhold our daughter from her father.

07:17:20.620 I think he's irreplaceable.

07:17:23.180 Wait, I forgot if I did.

07:17:25.020 Was he paying you alimony?

07:17:26.680 Did I ask that?

07:17:27.640 Um, he, he was not.

07:17:29.260 Child support?

07:17:29.680 He was not paying child support or alimony, you know.

07:17:33.800 Thank you, Vader.

07:17:35.620 Thank you, Chaw.

07:17:36.140 I donated $69.

07:17:38.020 The girls can't comprehend war, and I pray they never have to.

07:17:42.400 Men understand and are built to handle how truly messed up reality is on a level most women will never comprehend.

07:17:49.460 A luxury men don't get.

07:17:51.000 Women can't even give us that one thing where it's, like, clearly war is, like, worse for men.

07:17:59.020 They won't even give us, like, one intersectional, like, wow, this is a dimension of intersectionality where men suffer more.

07:18:07.460 No.

07:18:07.740 So, even in war, women are the victims, more so than men.

07:18:13.900 Who said that?

07:18:14.540 I think you only had one disagreement.

07:18:17.120 Earlier, I said both are victims.

07:18:18.760 I never said women were suffering more.

07:18:19.960 And then after having a conversation about it, I said, by the metrics I was explained to, that men do suffer more during war.

07:18:26.420 But you're saying that I never ceded that point.

07:18:28.520 But you know what you're doing here is, imagine a girl, like, gets jumped, you know, jumped, walking down the street at night, stranger danger, and, you know, graped.

07:18:44.280 And I say to you, you know what, yeah, that's bad, but one time a girl grabbed my ass, and I was essayed.

07:18:52.220 It seems a bit dismissive of the severity of the victimization of the woman, and I'm prepared to say here, that a woman who's been, like, stranger raped, that's way more severe than, like, the one or two times some girl grabbed my ass.

07:19:09.720 It was, I was technically sexually assaulted.

07:19:12.360 Obviously.

07:19:13.000 What's your point?

07:19:14.240 Well, it's this sort of diminishing thing you're doing.

07:19:16.960 Did I diminish men suffering during war when I said that men suffer more during war?

07:19:20.720 What about this dimension of female victimization?

07:19:26.040 Well, I, we both said that we should take women's suffering into account, all while, like, establishing that men die more during war, and that's the worst thing that you can go through.

07:19:33.840 Right, but why then?

07:19:34.240 I literally agreed with your guys' points, and you're trying to say that I didn't.

07:19:37.320 Like, it's really interesting.

07:19:38.440 Well, no, I think it is interesting.

07:19:40.740 I'm trying to, like, talk and have a conversation in good faith when I said it's a topic that I wasn't very educated on.

07:19:45.840 I wasn't aware of the statistic that men died at much higher rates.

07:19:48.900 You weren't, you don't need the statistics, you don't need a study.

07:19:52.760 I wasn't aware of the fact.

07:19:54.540 It's just not something I thought about much before.

07:19:56.500 Just to be clear, you weren't aware of the fact, as it relates to warfare, that more men die than women?

07:20:07.700 Until tonight?

07:20:08.740 I never really thought about it that much.

07:20:10.280 All I wrote down, all I wrote down in the paper, to be clear, was both are victims.

07:20:13.320 But when we had a conversation about who suffer more, I literally said, okay, I agree with what you're saying.

07:20:18.600 Men do suffer more.

07:20:19.540 But hold on.

07:20:20.220 And you're trying to say that I didn't.

07:20:21.460 I don't understand.

07:20:22.220 Until November 9th.

07:20:23.680 I said my mind was changed, and you're, like, out here.

07:20:25.940 Hold on.

07:20:26.580 Until November 9th of 2025, you didn't know that men die more in war than women?

07:20:33.700 It's not something that I ever thought about.

07:20:35.500 I didn't think about the death toll when I was answering that question.

07:20:38.340 I just thought about, like, all different kinds of suffering.

07:20:41.780 And it interchanged her mind.

07:20:43.620 Interchanged her mind, so.

07:20:47.700 What is there to be confused about?

07:20:50.120 I mean.

07:20:51.100 He thinks it's common sense.

07:20:52.580 Have you not been exposed to, like, even any sort of, like, fictional or non-fictional war stories?

07:21:00.000 Like, even in high school or elementary school, junior high school, you never took, like, a.

07:21:04.620 They didn't teach you about World War I, World War II.

07:21:07.300 Of course I know about World War I and II.

07:21:08.840 Like, was it women who were getting trench foot?

07:21:10.820 Was it women who were getting mustard gassed?

07:21:13.240 When I wrote down, both are victims.

07:21:14.700 Have you ever seen a historical photo of World War I or World War II?

07:21:17.860 Yes, I have.

07:21:18.460 When the men have their eyes bandaged.

07:21:21.200 I never saw them.

07:21:22.480 When you see photos of, like, you know, bandaged eyes, is it, like, a bunch of, like, Tiffany's and Tracy's?

07:21:30.440 Or is it some John's?

07:21:33.420 There's probably photos of women going through horrible things during war as well.

07:21:36.740 Again, all I wrote down is both men and women were victims during war.

07:21:40.940 I wasn't even necessarily thinking strictly about, like, murder during war.

07:21:44.660 I was thinking about all different kinds of suffering that both experienced.

07:21:47.920 But when we started to compare it, I literally made that.

07:21:52.100 I think it's just the desire to be, like, fair to everyone and politically correct that a lot of women have these days.

07:21:59.580 When they see, like, they don't want to be, like, impartial to, like, someone else who's suffering, even though a statistic might say something.

07:22:05.500 It's just how they are.

07:22:06.880 It's okay.

07:22:07.900 It's just reality.

07:22:08.680 But you agree that men are the primary victims?

07:22:10.780 I said that, like, 30 times.

07:22:12.180 I don't know.

07:22:12.400 Okay.

07:22:12.940 Okay.

07:22:13.360 That's crazy.

07:22:14.900 That's crazy.

07:22:16.080 Kate, do you have any hot takes as it relates to dating?

07:22:20.940 I feel like, you know, we didn't get too many notes from you.

07:22:23.160 So I'm just curious if you got any – what are your hot takes, you know?

07:22:26.760 Well, I actually do think that the body count and history can matter a lot because it can tell you a person's sense of judgment if they make good decisions on who they're dating.

07:22:36.040 And if they just callously, like, give away their affection to everyone, you have to wonder how much it's worth, you know, like, their time and everything.

07:22:43.840 Got it.

07:22:44.460 Okay.

07:22:44.840 Anything else?

07:22:45.800 Or – if anything comes up, let me know.

07:22:47.780 Do you have anything?

07:22:48.580 You got any – yeah, you got an interesting one.

07:22:49.900 He's dated more than I have.

07:22:51.060 She's convinced me of this.

07:22:52.020 It's not quite dating, but it's, like, spoiling kids.

07:22:54.700 I think – I've always thought it was bad.

07:22:57.100 And then she was, like, well, for a girl, it's actually not that bad.

07:22:59.280 For a guy, it is.

07:23:00.060 And I thought about it, and I was, like, actually, I think that tracks.

07:23:04.260 She spoils her niece, and, you know, she was explaining it to me, and it was just, like, now she won't be impressed by money or all that.

07:23:12.800 It would just be actually if she clicks with that person.

07:23:15.520 Yeah, she won't be, like, going with a guy who has a nice car, the first guy she sees, because it's, like, oh, yeah, my family already has it.

07:23:21.720 Yeah, whatever, versus, like, we don't spoil the nephews because we want them to learn hard work.

07:23:25.440 Yeah.

07:23:26.640 Got it.

07:23:27.300 Cool.

07:23:27.800 We're going to let some more chats come through.

07:23:30.120 Charles, thank you, man.

07:23:31.280 Charles Sterling donated $69, 543 in World War II, 8 in the Vietnam War, 13 in the Gulf War, and 166 in Operations Iraqi and Enduring Freedom.

07:23:46.460 Tens of millions died in wars and conflicts since 1945.

07:23:53.540 True.

07:23:54.700 It's true.

07:23:55.340 Thank you, Charles.

07:23:56.040 Appreciate your message.

07:23:56.960 We have Vader Senpai.

07:23:58.020 Vader underscore Senpai donated $69.

07:24:03.320 Also, morality is objective.

07:24:05.300 The universe doesn't care about your field fields.

07:24:08.680 Deus Vult.

07:24:09.860 God bless you, Andrew and Brian.

07:24:12.380 Y'all are doing the world a great service.

07:24:15.020 Not one step back.

07:24:17.440 Vader Senpai, appreciate it.

07:24:18.680 By the way, Andrew is coming back.

07:24:20.420 The pizza's here.

07:24:21.640 Guys, get a roast in here at the end of the show if you want to get a message in.

07:24:27.260 Code just 012-094 donated $69.

07:24:30.280 Death is not the only trauma men face in war.

07:24:33.160 That is true.

07:24:33.700 Injury-to-death ratios are usually around 5 to 1.

07:24:37.520 Any trauma you can point to a woman facing one can easily point to a man losing limb, getting PTSD, etc.

07:24:44.840 That is true.

07:24:48.300 That is true.

07:24:51.620 Thank you, Krojas.

07:24:52.840 Appreciate it, man.

07:24:55.280 Justin, thank you.

07:24:56.320 Justin Martins donated $69.

07:24:59.240 Chair 6, you may want to stick around and come back tomorrow.

07:25:03.100 Andrew may need your help with a jar.

07:25:04.960 Woo, that was a big one.

07:25:10.120 That was a bingo.

07:25:14.660 That's number one.

07:25:16.800 Thank you, Justin.

07:25:17.680 Appreciate it.

07:25:18.240 We have Mr. Meow.

07:25:23.580 Meow donated $69.

07:25:26.300 Chair 1 needs to understand that the exceptions don't make the rule.

07:25:30.860 With her view on victimhood of war.

07:25:34.960 The kinds of suffering I described that women can go through during war are not exceptions, necessarily.

07:25:42.140 Anyone else want anything?

07:25:43.880 Okay.

07:25:45.200 You don't want?

07:25:46.060 No pizza?

07:25:47.420 No pizza?

07:25:48.700 Your macros?

07:25:49.840 You're tracking your macros?

07:25:51.580 Oh, I remember the story about...

07:25:54.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

07:25:55.320 We'll get into it.

07:25:55.960 We don't have to.

07:25:57.160 I'll just have one after the show.

07:25:58.640 Thank you.

07:25:58.960 We can talk about that later.

07:26:01.400 Let's see here.

07:26:02.380 Thank you, Mr. Meow.

07:26:03.980 Now, we have Based Thor.

07:26:06.100 Thank you, man.

07:26:07.800 Based Thor donated $69.

07:26:11.000 Chair 1, just shut up and look pretty.

07:26:13.220 Chair 2, 304.

07:26:15.200 Come dumpster.

07:26:16.100 Chair 3, cuck pimp.

07:26:17.400 Chair 4, stupidasso.

07:26:18.940 Chair 5, or not an 8.

07:26:20.600 The 3, at best.

07:26:21.760 Chair 6, big muscle labia.

07:26:23.520 Chair 7, put away dat fuba.

07:26:25.480 Chair 8, evil bish.

07:26:26.620 What does that mean, stupidasso?

07:26:31.220 I don't know what the one about me means.

07:26:33.700 What?

07:26:35.140 Okay.

07:26:36.220 All right.

07:26:39.860 Vader underscore senpai donated $69.

07:26:43.940 If noticed, when men and women debate, men typically debate from a top-down overview of reality where women tend to debate from within themselves.

07:26:52.260 It's always about them.

07:26:53.940 They are the center of reality.

07:26:58.620 Anybody want more?

07:26:59.940 None of the women want to?

07:27:01.580 I agree.

07:27:02.280 I'm the center of his reality.

07:27:04.420 Well, there you go.

07:27:05.260 All right.

07:27:06.160 We have Robert.

07:27:07.820 With another double.

07:27:09.620 I'll have to double fist it.

07:27:10.800 Robert Tanner donated $1,000.

07:27:12.980 Did you drink?

07:27:13.820 What?

07:27:14.340 I feel like he's only double champagne for pizza.

07:27:15.980 Not since COVID.

07:27:16.600 Let me know if I can help more, Brian.

07:27:19.560 Also looking at you, Andrew.

07:27:21.700 Thanks, you guys, for all you do.

07:27:23.740 Let me know if I can help more, Brian.

07:27:26.640 You know, I think we need a little hat trick here.

07:27:30.500 Just...

07:27:31.100 Why?

07:27:31.420 You already...

07:27:31.960 Wait.

07:27:35.100 He did the hat trick.

07:27:38.260 Wait.

07:27:39.340 No, he already did the hat trick.

07:27:40.540 I mean, you could do a triple-double champagne.

07:27:44.360 Wait.

07:27:44.720 Triple-double?

07:27:45.860 No, it would just be triple.

07:27:48.560 Sorry.

07:27:49.700 It's been a while since I took math class.

07:27:53.140 We need a triple champagne with the pizza, I guess.

07:27:56.000 Can I get another champagne bottle, please?

07:27:59.100 Thank you, Robert Tanner.

07:28:00.540 You're a...

07:28:02.000 He's a brave and a decent man.

07:28:03.720 He's a pioneer.

07:28:04.780 He's a legend.

07:28:05.440 He's a fucking legend.

07:28:10.540 Your friendly chatter donated $69.

07:28:15.980 Greetings.

07:28:17.220 Young airman here.

07:28:18.760 Miss, during times of war,

07:28:21.060 our job is to make sure the innocent men,

07:28:23.900 women, and children don't get hurt.

07:28:26.460 Feminism doesn't exist in war.

07:28:28.680 Only your safety and freedom, ma'am.

07:28:32.260 He really was so polite about it.

07:28:33.920 Let me go to the bathroom.

07:28:35.760 I like the greetings.

07:28:40.540 Thank you for...

07:28:42.940 Sorry, I'm trying to figure out the champagne bottle here.

07:28:46.060 That was your friendly chatter.

07:28:47.800 Thank you for that, man.

07:28:48.840 And then this is for Shona.

07:28:52.500 Happily Curious Guy donated $70.

07:28:55.940 Shona, how, why, do you refute Shiva Purana et al,

07:29:00.160 Hindu doctrines, dictating, in Hindu marriage,

07:29:03.740 Dharmic vivaya, man has absolute, ultimate,

07:29:06.760 and irrefutable authority in the marriage,

07:29:08.880 and not the woman?

07:29:12.300 Because the Shiva Purana does not, like,

07:29:15.000 dictate everything in Hinduism.

07:29:23.700 What does?

07:29:26.060 It's not one of those, like, religions that has,

07:29:29.040 like, I mean, today at least,

07:29:30.720 a lot of rigid laws and rules.

07:29:34.140 Like, you could acknowledge across different religions

07:29:35.820 there's, like, more liberal forms of every religion.

07:29:37.820 Uh-huh.

07:29:39.520 That's kind of what I follow, right?

07:29:42.100 Like, not every Christian strictly follows

07:29:44.040 all the Ten Commandments.

07:29:46.200 Yes, they do.

07:29:49.220 Amaranth, is this the same husband

07:29:51.080 that in 2022 you told the internet abused you

07:29:54.340 and stole your finances?

07:29:57.560 I feel like that was tongue-in-cheek.

07:29:59.240 We've been together 11 years,

07:30:00.460 so it has to be right.

07:30:01.560 We have Charles Sterling,

07:30:05.160 and she was away at the table when that came up.

07:30:10.960 We have Charles Sterling.

07:30:16.260 Charles Sterling donated $69.

07:30:19.560 Andrew, good to see you again.

07:30:21.900 W for Brian and W for Andrew.

07:30:24.540 R.I.P. Charlie Kirk.

07:30:26.780 Does anybody want...

07:30:27.860 I'll do a little bit more.

07:30:28.700 Champagne?

07:30:29.340 Same.

07:30:31.940 I'll pour it now.

07:30:33.200 Yeah, if you can pour for them.

07:30:33.960 Take your cups over, guys.

07:30:36.280 Anybody want more pizza?

07:30:38.000 Anybody want more pizza?

07:30:39.820 You can fill it up.

07:30:41.040 We got a lot.

07:30:41.380 Ironman underscore 960 donated $69.

07:30:45.820 This is for you, Andrew.

07:30:46.500 PTSD is permanent.

07:30:47.720 Sorry, Andrew.

07:30:48.500 It is not something you can put behind you.

07:30:51.220 But men are hit harder with it in war than women.

07:30:54.280 Ask a Vietnam veteran if he still has nightmares.

07:30:57.900 Welcome, VietVet home.

07:30:59.580 Look, perhaps that's true,

07:31:02.220 but it is something which you can live with,

07:31:04.320 something which you can cope with,

07:31:06.120 and you can't put much of it, at least, behind you.

07:31:08.860 Dealing with trauma,

07:31:09.900 you could say that about any trauma.

07:31:11.220 You could say any trauma is with you forever.

07:31:13.540 Fine.

07:31:14.080 I'll concede that point.

07:31:16.400 It just doesn't hurt my argument at all.

07:31:18.780 The truth is that it's still better to be fucking alive than dead.

07:31:22.120 And so if that's the case,

07:31:23.480 and you can at least deal with post-traumatic stress disorder

07:31:25.880 and learn to cope with it

07:31:27.960 and put at least most of it behind you

07:31:30.800 or deal with it in life,

07:31:32.920 how's that not a superior position to death?

07:31:35.220 Don't Taiwanese people, they can handle their liquor?

07:31:44.360 Do you want to just...

07:31:45.480 Do you just want to shoot from the...

07:31:47.760 I don't really drink that much anymore.

07:31:49.000 I try to...

07:31:49.420 Yeah, yeah.

07:31:49.880 Do you want to pass your cup down?

07:31:51.140 Oh, yeah.

07:31:51.520 I think it's...

07:31:51.820 Oh, it's right there.

07:31:52.520 Andrew, if you want to...

07:31:53.080 I got it.

07:31:53.900 I was getting it.

07:31:54.860 I was getting it.

07:31:55.560 Should we get some for Kate?

07:31:57.080 Yeah, sure.

07:31:58.080 We'll fill up for Kate.

07:32:00.100 All right.

07:32:00.680 We have some more coming through here.

07:32:03.080 We have JC.

07:32:04.940 Thank you, man.

07:32:05.620 Appreciate it.

07:32:07.100 JC donated $69.

07:32:10.000 The most entitled gross and lying woman is chair four.

07:32:13.980 That's even with the internet puppy star

07:32:16.220 who spoils her niece with nasty money,

07:32:19.120 teaching her wealth for sure.

07:32:22.480 That's you, I believe.

07:32:23.720 Oh, I know.

07:32:24.520 Do you want to respond?

07:32:26.060 There you go.

07:32:28.820 Yeah, I don't know.

07:32:30.780 You're...

07:32:31.260 Anybody.

07:32:32.220 I have no problem with people thinking that about me.

07:32:36.000 Did you get some, Andrew?

07:32:37.440 Oh, you're just going to drink from this, right?

07:32:39.120 Oh, you poured it all out.

07:32:40.480 Mm-hmm.

07:32:41.900 Did you pour some for you?

07:32:43.280 I guess we'll do a double cheers for Robert...

07:32:46.460 No, there's still some in there.

07:32:47.260 ...Tanner.

07:32:47.660 There's still some in there.

07:32:49.740 Cheers, Robert Tanner.

07:32:51.040 Salud.

07:32:52.140 Thank you.

07:32:54.940 I feel so left out.

07:32:57.940 Wait, hold on.

07:32:58.740 It was Klain who sent in the first champagne pop, wasn't it?

07:33:04.460 Klain?

07:33:05.900 The Twitch guy, right?

07:33:07.320 Robert Tanner.

07:33:08.540 Hold on, Robert Tanner.

07:33:10.140 You asked if there's anything you could do, Robert Tanner.

07:33:12.980 You said, let me know if I can help more, Brian.

07:33:16.460 Do the hat trick.

07:33:18.840 Do the hat trick.

07:33:20.020 Here, where is it?

07:33:20.480 If you want, if you want.

07:33:23.060 You don't have to.

07:33:24.180 Oh, my word.

07:33:25.120 This is one of Lewandowski's finest performances.

07:33:29.640 Finest performances.

07:33:32.300 Adonai Elehar, he donated $69.

07:33:35.800 Chair number five, based legend.

07:33:38.180 What does that mean?

07:33:39.360 That's you?

07:33:40.140 Yeah, but what does based legend mean?

07:33:41.620 It just means you're awesome.

07:33:43.000 It means they like you.

07:33:44.060 Thanks, man.

07:33:44.560 I love you.

07:33:44.720 They love you.

07:33:45.520 They think you're the shit.

07:33:46.260 You might be one of my homies.

07:33:47.260 I had a lot of homies watching tonight.

07:33:52.080 We have just a few notes from Melissa to get through.

07:33:55.620 So final call, guys, on the roasts.

07:33:57.780 We're going to get this wrapped up.

07:33:59.460 We're going to get this wrapped up in 10, 15 minutes.

07:34:02.800 10, 15 minutes.

07:34:04.040 I got to, man.

07:34:05.040 Yeah, yeah, of course.

07:34:05.680 I won't get enough sleep.

07:34:06.540 I mean, we're pretty much there.

07:34:08.260 Ladies and gentlemen, I just wanted to point all of this out.

07:34:10.800 Thank all of you for this wonderful conversation this evening.

07:34:13.160 Thank you to the entire whatever staff and the whatever audience for hosting me.

07:34:18.640 I have a debate in the morning.

07:34:19.760 10 minutes, Andrew.

07:34:20.640 I got to.

07:34:21.180 I got to.

07:34:21.900 I have to, bro.

07:34:23.700 But I have a debate in the morning, right?

07:34:25.800 I'll be back here for that tomorrow.

07:34:28.560 I appreciated everybody and all the conversation.

07:34:31.840 I really appreciate it, guys.

07:34:32.780 Thank you for coming, Andrew.

07:34:33.680 Of course.

07:34:34.120 Thank you for coming.

07:34:34.360 We'll see you tomorrow.

07:34:35.560 See you tomorrow.

07:34:36.140 Have a great night, guys.

07:34:37.080 Nice chatting with you.

07:34:37.880 Thank you.

07:34:38.380 Bye.

07:34:38.880 All right, guys.

07:34:39.560 We're almost wrapped.

07:34:40.640 10, 15 minutes.

07:34:41.740 We just have a few more notes to get through.

07:34:43.520 Also, I hate Spyro.

07:34:44.680 I hate him.

07:34:45.640 Oh, Spyro.

07:34:46.380 He actually.

07:34:47.980 Anyway.

07:34:48.460 He's Greek, so he's worthless.

07:34:50.000 Oh, shit.

07:34:50.360 Mr. Plight.

07:34:51.720 Felicity, if you can take the seat.

07:34:53.240 Speaking from a veteran experience, women are kept away from the meat grinder that is war

07:34:58.480 while young boys do horrific things to others.

07:35:03.240 Do we do a Jake cameo really quick?

07:35:06.040 You want to do a quick cameo?

07:35:07.840 A little cameo from Jake.

07:35:09.920 He's in the studio.

07:35:10.840 A little quick cameo.

07:35:12.620 Here, take that seat just for a sec while we get the Jake Rattlesnake cameo.

07:35:16.380 There he is in all his Australian glory.

07:35:20.100 What's up, Kerr?

07:35:21.580 There he is.

07:35:22.960 Reality-based.

07:35:24.540 Boom.

07:35:25.360 Good to see you, man.

07:35:26.120 Good to see you.

07:35:26.680 Good to see you, too.

07:35:27.380 Hope you've been doing well, man.

07:35:29.700 Did I finish?

07:35:30.420 Oh, go watch Black Hawk Down and Saving Private Ryan and think about having to do that daily

07:35:36.120 as your friends die.

07:35:38.140 Bye.

07:35:38.200 Bye.

07:35:38.240 Bye.

07:35:40.840 Mr. Plight.

07:35:43.880 Thank you for that.

07:35:45.560 Appreciate it.

07:35:46.460 Thank you.

07:35:46.980 Thank you, guys.

07:35:47.760 $69 TTS.

07:35:48.800 Get it in.

07:35:50.340 If...

07:35:50.700 Oh, my goodness.

07:35:51.600 This guy is...

07:35:52.500 He is on fire.

07:35:55.100 Robert Tanner is on fire.

07:35:57.040 Oh, my goodness.

07:35:58.300 He's a brave and a decent man.

07:36:01.360 He's a pioneer.

07:36:02.120 One more champagne, by the way, please.

07:36:06.900 Robert Tanner donated $1,001.

07:36:10.340 Here you go, guys.

07:36:12.180 Enjoy the night.

07:36:13.280 Thanks again, Brian and Andrew, as well as the panel.

07:36:17.080 Brian and Andrew, reach out.

07:36:19.040 Love to support more.

07:36:20.500 Thank you, man.

07:36:21.780 Robert Tanner, you're a fucking legend.

07:36:24.100 Thank you so much, man.

07:36:25.220 Really appreciate it.

07:36:26.200 Is there another champagne?

07:36:27.660 Is there...

07:36:28.340 Is there a champagne?

07:36:30.100 Is there?

07:36:31.680 Maybe check on the side.

07:36:33.100 Check on the side.

07:36:33.740 There should be.

07:36:34.280 There should be.

07:36:35.600 Yo, Robert Tanner, you're a legend.

07:36:37.280 Thank you, man.

07:36:37.660 Really appreciate it.

07:36:39.500 We have...

07:36:40.420 Oh, I already did this one, right?

07:36:42.240 Iron Man on this call.

07:36:43.240 Did I just do this one?

07:36:43.940 Oh.

07:36:44.000 $1,001,60 donated $69.

07:36:46.600 This is different.

07:36:47.260 Sorry, sorry.

07:36:47.800 I am a vet with PTSD from the war I served.

07:36:51.200 I am in therapy with Vietnam vets.

07:36:53.860 We have group every Monday.

07:36:55.700 I promise you, IT does not get easier from seeing it with them.

07:36:59.520 I am not taking away.

07:37:01.640 Okay.

07:37:03.900 Andrew says okay.

07:37:05.200 Yeah, well, I mean...

07:37:07.300 Like, how do you argue with that?

07:37:08.760 Because obviously, it's not that...

07:37:13.760 Okay.

07:37:16.640 All right.

07:37:17.260 We have...

07:37:18.380 Finishing off the show with Melissa's notes.

07:37:22.180 You said that...

07:37:24.520 You don't know if that's appropriate, but there's a story that's exemplary of what it's like getting with a bodybuilder, LOL.

07:37:30.700 Recently, you hooked up with this...

07:37:32.680 Let's have...

07:37:33.380 Do you want to tell the story?

07:37:34.720 You want to tell the story?

07:37:36.720 I...

07:37:37.600 I hooked up with this guy who I've hooked up with a few times over the past few years.

07:37:43.760 And I don't know if anyone's going to, like, get this.

07:37:47.720 We smoked beforehand.

07:37:49.140 I had cotton mouth.

07:37:50.520 I went to go down on him.

07:37:51.860 And so he went to put coconut oil on his dick.

07:37:55.100 And I was like, that's way too many fats.

07:37:57.660 So you had to watch the macros.

07:38:02.780 Watch the macros.

07:38:04.200 And I had no idea that I said anything weird until he was like...

07:38:07.700 He's not a bodybuilder.

07:38:08.620 He was like, are you kidding?

07:38:10.040 And I was like, what?

07:38:11.620 I already ate for the day.

07:38:14.340 That's it.

07:38:15.240 Why did he just have you spit?

07:38:16.340 I heard it's a good source of...

07:38:17.700 I had cotton mouth.

07:38:18.420 He could have spit or something.

07:38:19.680 He had cotton mouth.

07:38:20.340 I don't want to make some water.

07:38:23.220 I ate some water.

07:38:23.960 You just got a ditty with it with the baby oil.

07:38:26.700 Should have gone ditty with it with the baby oil.

07:38:28.420 You should have.

07:38:30.060 Right.

07:38:31.320 Yeah.

07:38:31.660 What's the question?

07:38:32.360 Just declare a high just not in your mouth.

07:38:33.660 What?

07:38:34.020 Just not in your mouth.

07:38:35.200 Yeah.

07:38:35.540 I mean, look.

07:38:36.180 I took one for the team.

07:38:37.380 Oh, this one.

07:38:39.040 This one.

07:38:39.660 This one.

07:38:39.980 This one.

07:38:40.280 I think there's like a 30-minute window on calories.

07:38:44.080 It was a bit...

07:38:44.340 It was a...

07:38:45.020 All right, Jake.

07:38:45.540 Pound this entire ball of champagne.

07:38:47.620 Oh, he's actually...

07:38:48.340 Jake, Jake.

07:38:50.540 Not the whole thing.

07:38:51.820 I've got to be responsible.

07:38:53.000 There you go.

07:38:57.060 Oh, my question was...

07:38:58.920 So it was coconut oil, right?

07:39:00.640 But what about...

07:39:01.920 What if it was beef teller?

07:39:03.380 If it was his...

07:39:05.600 Because I hear that's a good source of protein.

07:39:09.060 The seed.

07:39:10.760 Right.

07:39:10.960 But you would have to finish the deed before you get this.

07:39:14.420 You don't do that.

07:39:15.160 That's just...

07:39:15.960 Finish the deed before you get the seed.

07:39:17.460 Yeah, it's rhyme.

07:39:18.060 Common sense.

07:39:18.480 That's nice.

07:39:19.340 Oh, you're just saying would I...

07:39:21.160 Would...

07:39:22.340 Like a...

07:39:23.080 That's...

07:39:23.920 I would imagine that it has more protein than it does fat, which is lower in calories.

07:39:28.120 Do you know the macro split on...

07:39:29.440 I don't.

07:39:30.620 I don't know the macro split on cum.

07:39:32.680 No, I don't.

07:39:33.960 I wouldn't know.

07:39:34.720 I'm starting through it varies with diet, though.

07:39:37.020 You know?

07:39:37.900 But you fulfilled your macros for the day.

07:39:40.060 So, you said that things you look for in a man, you say ambitious, goal-oriented, secure

07:39:44.360 with themselves, receptive to communication, able to teach you something, present alternate

07:39:48.880 perspective to your own.

07:39:50.280 Okay.

07:39:50.500 Apparently, you appear dominant, but really, you want someone who's capable of dominating

07:39:54.980 you.

07:39:55.600 The only...

07:39:56.360 Yeah.

07:39:56.660 The only way you're letting your guard down is if you can call the shots and make you

07:40:00.240 feel protected.

07:40:01.580 Okay?

07:40:01.880 You think constant texting is ridiculous.

07:40:06.320 You don't like the expectation of constant availability.

07:40:09.420 Sure.

07:40:10.840 You couldn't care less if a guy likes other girls' pictures, like on Instagram or whatever.

07:40:16.860 Okay.

07:40:17.840 And...

07:40:18.360 I was just looking up, like, topics and stating my opinion on them because you asked.

07:40:23.820 Okay.

07:40:24.960 Let's see here.

07:40:26.800 You say it's a waste of bandwidth to revolve your life around finding a partner.

07:40:30.200 However, it's important to be open to the unexpected.

07:40:33.480 Okay.

07:40:34.360 I think that's pretty much it for the notes.

07:40:35.900 Was there anything you wanted to add or...

07:40:38.380 Okay.

07:40:38.820 How much of a gorilla do you really need?

07:40:40.960 You must need a...

07:40:42.460 No, it's not even...

07:40:43.360 I'm actually more attracted to intelligence than anything, but it has to be...

07:40:46.800 So, you wanted to dominate you intellectually?

07:40:49.620 Dominate you intellectually?

07:40:52.320 Intellectually and physically, yes.

07:40:53.560 So, you need a gorilla.

07:40:54.920 I'm sorry.

07:40:55.380 Is Jake...

07:40:57.200 Is he...

07:40:59.300 We're getting there.

07:40:59.820 Because Jake's fit.

07:41:01.400 He's a fighter.

07:41:02.220 He's really fit.

07:41:03.240 He does Thai...

07:41:05.280 Boxing.

07:41:05.820 Boxing.

07:41:06.580 Kickboxing or boxing?

07:41:07.400 A little bit of gum shit at kickboxing.

07:41:08.640 Okay.

07:41:09.220 Boxing.

07:41:10.060 Would you...

07:41:10.580 I mean...

07:41:11.900 Do you like Australian guys or...

07:41:13.280 I do.

07:41:14.180 Yeah.

07:41:14.440 Oh.

07:41:14.960 Jake.

07:41:15.460 Let's talk.

07:41:17.700 At the end of the show, I'm coming in clutch as the wingman here.

07:41:20.940 Thank you, bro.

07:41:22.040 Thank you.

07:41:22.360 What do you...

07:41:22.840 What do you think, though?

07:41:24.440 I think Jake is attractive.

07:41:25.920 Oh.

07:41:26.280 When I know of him so far.

07:41:27.200 Yeah.

07:41:27.500 Are you single, Jake?

07:41:28.400 What's...

07:41:28.660 I'm single.

07:41:29.100 No way.

07:41:29.860 Oh.

07:41:31.500 Have you...

07:41:32.380 Death by Snoo Snoo?

07:41:34.920 What does that mean?

07:41:35.740 You don't know that?

07:41:36.540 It's like this Futurama.

07:41:39.040 The Futurama characters, they encounter this like Amazonian tribe of alien women who are

07:41:46.700 like gigantic, super ripped.

07:41:48.480 and they kill the men by having sex with them because they're so like crushed their pelvis.

07:41:59.080 If it's my fate, then let it be.

07:42:02.060 Okay.

07:42:02.980 Anyway.

07:42:06.640 Guys, do you...

07:42:08.000 Any topics you want to hit on super quick or...

07:42:10.440 I don't know.

07:42:10.940 I'm not sure what you guys have hit on already.

07:42:15.740 Yeah.

07:42:16.260 I think we talked about...

07:42:18.880 We talked about how Australian women are just these Bogan degenerates.

07:42:25.920 You guys talked about that?

07:42:27.300 No.

07:42:27.520 That's true.

07:42:27.980 I just made that up at the end there.

07:42:29.580 Yeah.

07:42:29.920 Just kidding.

07:42:30.500 Australian women are...

07:42:31.640 Do you like Australian women?

07:42:32.580 No, they're the worst.

07:42:33.580 They're the worst?

07:42:34.200 They're the worst.

07:42:34.660 That's why he's here.

07:42:36.560 Yeah, exactly.

07:42:37.720 That's why I had to get out.

07:42:39.000 You know, I actually...

07:42:40.360 I've met some Australian gals and they've been quite nice.

07:42:44.220 Not gonna lie.

07:42:44.980 Maybe I got...

07:42:45.280 Everyone's got this perception of them that they're like beach girls, surfer girls, you

07:42:48.820 know, beach bums, but it's just not the case, you know?

07:42:51.080 A lot of them are sort of...

07:42:52.380 Like rednecks, but Australian?

07:42:53.780 Not really, but they yap, you know?

07:42:55.540 They're yap.

07:42:56.160 They're yappers.

07:42:56.880 Like me and my friends have this rule, like when we're overseas, we can always tell Australian

07:43:00.800 girls from a distance because of the way that they yap.

07:43:04.080 Interesting.

07:43:04.660 Interesting.

07:43:05.220 Yappy.

07:43:06.040 Any final thoughts from any other panelists before we wrap this up?

07:43:11.080 Final thoughts?

07:43:12.560 Final thoughts?

07:43:13.540 Did I get everybody's notes?

07:43:15.300 I have...

07:43:16.220 Final thoughts?

07:43:18.820 We have to get World War I in World War II years.

07:43:23.060 Oh.

07:43:26.160 Name three countries.

07:43:28.820 Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia.

07:43:31.420 Three countries, like just any?

07:43:33.640 Yeah, just three countries.

07:43:34.080 Countries.

07:43:34.540 Okay.

07:43:35.040 You can't repeat from the previous.

07:43:36.580 Okay.

07:43:37.460 China, South Africa, and Ukraine.

07:43:42.680 Into the mic, into the mic.

07:43:43.940 Sorry.

07:43:45.140 Peru, Japan, United States.

07:43:48.520 Would you be down to arm wrestle Jake right now?

07:43:52.160 Yeah.

07:43:53.060 Wait, yes?

07:43:53.900 Wait, wait.

07:43:54.260 Let's clear the...

07:43:55.080 I'm going to be going.

07:43:58.260 Oh, we're literally about to wrap.

07:43:59.720 I know, but I didn't...

07:44:00.740 I just figured if you're...

07:44:02.260 Are we wrapping it up in next...

07:44:04.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, like...

07:44:07.140 Five minutes?

07:44:08.560 Yes.

07:44:09.440 Yes.

07:44:10.240 All right.

07:44:11.880 Okay.

07:44:14.660 Final thoughts there?

07:44:16.220 No?

07:44:16.500 Okay, cool.

07:44:17.360 Let me see if there's any chats that came through.

07:44:19.300 We'll let them come through, and then...

07:44:21.280 Okay, we have this one.

07:44:25.060 Thank you, Proshot.

07:44:26.240 I appreciate it.

07:44:26.860 Proshot, he donated $69.

07:44:29.380 I had to subscribe tonight because it was so badass.

07:44:32.960 Thank you.

07:44:33.400 I will say I did join a call with Amaranth for advice, and she gave real feedback.

07:44:38.220 I had issues with dating, and she was real about it.

07:44:41.000 Aw.

07:44:41.340 Love y'all.

07:44:42.620 Aw.

07:44:43.340 That's actually one of the biggest requests, not just, like, on stream, but, like, on the

07:44:47.680 OF side, too, is just guys coming and wanting some positive words and advice when they're

07:44:52.620 going through hard times.

07:44:53.700 Kind of like this one guy was going through Hustlers University, and he was trying to find

07:44:58.440 his place in life, and he was talking about the inner circle to me, and he was just like,

07:45:02.120 can you just tell me that, like, I can do it, that I'm not going to be a failure in

07:45:06.120 life?

07:45:07.320 So, I'm like, yeah, it happens.

07:45:08.980 A lot of people do ask for advice.

07:45:10.640 What did you tell him?

07:45:11.880 I said, you can do it, King.

07:45:13.100 How do you know, though?

07:45:13.840 What if he can't do it?

07:45:15.420 Well, what does that help, though?

07:45:16.440 His life will be better if he thinks he can either way.

07:45:19.160 If it helps him get through the, you know, get through the tough spot in life, you know?

07:45:22.960 Yeah.

07:45:23.280 Oh, did we name three countries?

07:45:25.820 Oh, you said ones that weren't named already, right?

07:45:29.600 I'll just try.

07:45:30.200 Japan, Argentina, and, oh, I'm not good at history, like, geography stuff.

07:45:36.580 China, whatever.

07:45:38.460 Fiji.

07:45:39.200 It's okay.

07:45:40.260 Geography's not my thing.

07:45:42.320 Fiji, the Maldives, Madagascar.

07:45:45.620 Russia, Egypt, New Zealand.

07:45:49.100 Estonia, Zimbabwe, Djibouti.

07:45:51.780 Yeah, Djibouti.

07:45:52.200 Anyway, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon.

07:45:55.200 Okay.

07:45:55.460 We have this from JC.

07:45:57.940 JC donated $69.

07:46:00.680 It was asked earlier while she was gone.

07:46:03.740 But, Amaranth, why did you stay with your abuser?

07:46:06.920 Or was the wild crying show months back just fake?

07:46:10.160 My crying is never fake, all right?

07:46:12.360 Those are real intense moments of turmoil in relationships.

07:46:16.160 Difference between us, though.

07:46:16.980 But I'm always alive, at least historically.

07:46:19.780 So, you know, emotions happen.

07:46:21.860 But, you know, marriage isn't just cheery.

07:46:24.400 I heard.

07:46:24.960 I did.

07:46:25.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

07:46:26.340 That was cool.

07:46:27.340 Yeah.

07:46:27.800 I mean, wouldn't wish for it.

07:46:30.320 But, yeah, yeah, yeah.

07:46:30.980 Do you wish he died?

07:46:32.160 Yes.

07:46:34.100 I would have, too.

07:46:34.960 Well, then, I guess the concern is, I've had this interaction with this person.

07:46:42.000 I've inflicted damage to them.

07:46:45.500 Are they going to be vindictive?

07:46:47.020 Will they try to seek out revenge?

07:46:48.880 And it's going to be, I mean, that would be my thought anyways.

07:46:52.280 I asked the inspector that, and he said, which doesn't really give me much comfort, but it's nice to know, I guess.

07:46:57.580 It's like, he said, statistically, that never happens.

07:47:00.220 He's been doing it 21 years or something like that.

07:47:02.440 Where, yeah.

07:47:03.080 Yeah, because I asked him, like, if one of these guys eventually, you know, are they going to, and he's like, we've never seen that in Houston and all that.

07:47:10.160 That makes sense.

07:47:10.920 I imagine it's rare.

07:47:12.280 It's like, hey, you're committing a crime.

07:47:14.920 The other guy got the jump on you.

07:47:17.720 So, all right.

07:47:19.700 Let's see here.

07:47:20.680 I think that's pretty much it for the chats.

07:47:22.820 If one trickles through, I'll be sure to get it.

07:47:24.840 But I do want to say, or we need to do the final things.

07:47:29.120 Okay, guys.

07:47:30.440 Final, final things.

07:47:31.620 Like the video if you enjoyed the stream.

07:47:33.800 If you want to become a master debater, debateuniversity.com.

07:47:37.660 Felicity, why don't you just stand in the back somewhere so you can wave or something.

07:47:42.700 Yeah.

07:47:45.080 Let's see.

07:47:45.940 Oh, let's do the pull-up Twitch super quick.

07:47:48.280 Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.

07:47:49.580 If you're still watching over there on Twitch, it's our secondary platform.

07:47:53.860 We simulcast on there.

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07:48:01.360 Oh, Cajun.

07:48:02.260 It's bugged, boys.

07:48:03.220 Thank you for the Prime.

07:48:04.060 Cajun.

07:48:04.440 Really appreciate it.

07:48:05.680 Okay, guys.

07:48:06.400 Thank you.

07:48:06.800 Thank you.

07:48:07.820 So, GG.

07:48:10.040 Well played.

07:48:11.520 To the panel.

07:48:12.720 Last call.

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07:48:32.380 We're going to be live again tomorrow.

07:48:34.420 Tomorrow, Andrew's going to be debating Naima from Jubilee, round two.

07:48:38.840 It's going to be big, guys.

07:48:42.140 It's going to be big.

07:48:42.840 A lot of people are going to be tuning in for that.

07:48:44.440 It's going to be wild.

07:48:45.340 It's going to be insane.

07:48:46.240 She's going to lose.

07:48:46.940 And we're aiming to go live approximately 3 p.m., but, you know, sometimes it's 5, 10

07:48:51.140 minutes later.

07:48:51.840 So, tomorrow, 3 p.m. Pacific here, live on the whatever podcast.

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07:49:06.280 I want to see 07s in the chat.

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07:49:10.660 Thank you to the wonderful panel.

07:49:12.000 You guys were dope.

07:49:12.660 It was one of the funner shows we've had this year.

07:49:16.540 So, you guys were wonderful.

07:49:18.340 Thank you guys.

07:49:18.880 Another some heated moments there.

07:49:21.340 After the show, it's all water under the bridge.

07:49:25.480 You guys were wonderful.

07:49:26.700 I know, again, we had disagreements, but I take none of it personally.

07:49:31.440 Neither does Andrew, by the way.

07:49:32.920 So, thank you guys so much for coming.

07:49:35.720 Appreciate it.

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07:49:41.440 Nope, that's it.

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