Andrew Wilson vs. 10 Feminists DEBATE! 3 RAGE QUITS？! SUPER FERAL CHAOS PANEL？! ｜ Dating Talk 283
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Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, host Brian Atlas is joined by Mars, Ivy, and Mary Jane to talk about what it's like being a sex worker, a dominatrix, a stripper, and an Onlyfan.
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
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And I am from the East Coast, living in San Diego now for 10 years, though.
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My profession is I'm a business owner, body worker, and pro goddess and dominatrix.
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We will explore some of that stuff a little bit later on.
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When you were in college, what were you studying?
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Um, I was going the dietetics route, but I definitely should have just done psychology.
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I am currently in college for cybersecurity, and I'm a sex worker.
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You do any stripping or dancing or anything like that?
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Um, I'm not Safer Work content creator, and I also do Safer Work content creation.
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I also do, uh, fire flow, uh, artistry, and I'm a shabari artist, as well as a go-go dancer
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I have some college experience, but I didn't graduate.
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Um, my major was going to be Arabic, and I wanted to be an interpreter.
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Um, but I was born and raised in San Diego, and I thought that I could be an interpreter
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Uh, do you still have a relationship with your parents?
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I would say my mom is the kind of Muslim that goes to church on Christmas, if that
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He went from being somewhat religious to less religious, and now he's more religious in
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Um, do they have an issue with your sex work?
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My mother only knows that I'm a shabari artist.
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She doesn't know that I'm a dominatrix, and she doesn't know that I have OnlyFans, and my
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father thinks that I'm mostly just performing on stage as, like, a dancer.
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I'm from Kingston, Ontario, Canada, and I am 26, an exotic dancer and an OF model.
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And, sir, did you say anything about college, or?
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When I finished my high school, it was, like, a dual credit, so it doesn't really count that
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I'm 22, and I'm from Ohio, but I live in Los Angeles now, and I've been a content creator
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since 2021, and I monetize on passes, and I dropped out of college.
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Have you ever done OnlyFans or anything like that?
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I would say I'm more spiritual, but I use Christianity as, like, a moral guideline type of thing.
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Because I noticed in some of your bios, you have scripture.
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Yeah, I have, I think it's John 8, 32 in there.
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The passes content, is it, do you receive demographics?
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Nathan, we do need, like, whoever's talking, if you can.
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So, your passes content, do you know the demographics of who buys your stuff?
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They don't have analytics or anything like that?
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Well, it would encompass all that, but I'm primarily looking for gender.
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And is it, like, you're posting bikini content?
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Is it sexually suggestive, even though you're not nude?
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I, the way that I describe it is kind of like my Instagram, but for my fans that want to
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Like, if somebody said, I'll send you a thousand bucks if you, you know, do a bikini pic like
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Yeah, if it, if it fell in the guidelines of what I'm comfortable with doing.
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I have my associate's degree in liberal arts and general education, and I work at Monster
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And I work at Monster Energy, giving out cans, putting cans in hands.
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I do OnlyFans, and I did most, like, I did a decent amount of college, almost got my AA,
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I'm based out of Miami, Florida, and I am the Spanish media director for the Lincoln Media
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Prior to that, I was spokesperson for Turning Point Action.
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I also have my own weekly news show in Spanish for Claro y Directo America, which is a right-wing
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I graduated from FIU, Florida International University, with a double bachelor's in international
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I have a bachelor's of science in psychology with a minor in criminal justice, and my job
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Um, 2017, or excuse me, 2016 or 2020, I went to William Carey University.
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Uh, it is, it is quite a long time ago, but just could you relate to me one thing that
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you, since you do have a bachelor's in psychology, one thing that you could relate to us that you
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It, um, controls your, um, fight or flight, your parasympathetic and your sympathetic nervous
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system, uh, things like anxiety, um, depression, stress, and it directly affects trauma inside
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And a fun fact, a, um, childhood trauma, PTSD brain and a combat trauma, PTSD, PTSD brain look
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Um, can, uh, can you, you, can you scoot this way?
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Hi, I'm Megan Loftus and, um, I'm from Chicago.
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I'm a traditional daughter and I just hang out with my parents a lot and do standup.
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Um, and I have, I'm like one class away from getting my bachelor's in communication at Northeastern
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Illinois University, which is a state school in Chicago.
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I live in Tennessee and very explicitly not sexual at all, but I'm a massage therapist.
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Um, and I also instruct in Pilates and do some social media, but it's nowhere in the, um, adult content field.
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Uh, you also, I looked at some of your content.
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You, uh, you're, I don't know what the right term is.
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So the majority of my food is from everything from raw meat, raw organs, raw eggs, raw dairy.
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It's just, is it still a steak if it's not cooked?
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Cause I mean, you still go to the store and you say, I'll have that steak.
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But, but you'll just have a, there'll be a slab of meat, like some, some center cut tenderloin
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And you'll just eat it completely raw uncooked.
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You can go for it, including pork, including chicken.
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Wait, can you clarify on the chicken real quick?
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Um, so it's a very different kind of belief than what is generally it's based in terrain
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Uh, so you actually want to increase salmonella exposure, which is something generally people
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So having everything from raw eggs to get more salmonella exposure and also raw chicken.
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I was going to say, do you start with like raw eggs to build up that exposure?
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I didn't need to, you know, I went from over a decade of vegetarianism and veganism and then
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I went straight into the raw chicken and haven't looked back.
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No, it's been three years and I have not gotten sick.
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So you'll, but you'll just leave meat out overnight too, right?
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There's different kinds of fermented meat that's called high meat.
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Same with eggs, same with milk, same, you know, raw dairy.
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Um, but it is good if you leave it out overnight cause it gets more bacterial exposure.
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So, um, again, within terrain theory, this is completely different than germ theory, which
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Um, and the idea is that parasites are not necessarily a negative.
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There's a lot of benefits that you can have to them.
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Um, and parasites being used as beneficial cause they're actually able to eat dead tissue
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Some people detox, like go through a parasite detox using wormwood specifically not to have
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So I haven't heard your theory, but I'm willing to learn about different, different things.
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Um, but I can get more into that later and into the history of it and to kind of how I
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But like if somebody just jumped into it, like could a normal person just eat with you in
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the sense that like you've maybe built up a tolerance to the salmonella or whatever
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Like, could, could I just join you for the dinner you eat or would it have to be like
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I mean, I have friends that come over and they try it.
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I had a right meat eating party one time where I prepared like a bunch of chicken and purposefully
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And they tried and they didn't get sick and they felt fine and they felt happy.
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Do you at least season things in like lime to kill off bacteria?
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Because that's a thing that you do with ceviche, which is Peruvian food, which you cook the
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I mean, sometimes like just for fun, but I don't make a practice of it.
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So that's the majority of my food, but I'm not, I would say insanely.
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I'm religious about it, you know, on, on special occasions, for example, you know, I have some
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So, but I mean, if you're going to eat meat, is it always raw?
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I have the largest female clientele in the United States.
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Uh, yeah, I also sell, I, uh, I sell feed pics on feedfinder.com.
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My name is Andrew Wilson, the host of the crucible.
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Um, it's a very large political debate channel on YouTube.
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I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, and I have conversations and debates with
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And, uh, we do have, uh, the, the lovely Chloe, yummy, Chloe, yummy joining us.
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So really quick, you guys are wondering why, look at how many fucking people are at the
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That's why it took us a little longer to get set up.
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So sorry for the delay with the start time there, everybody.
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I think this is the most overbooked I've ever done it.
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Uh, usually I overbook because predictably the day before the day of even days leading
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up to the show, people invariably cancel or they no show, but, uh, I, I don't know if
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I want to say fortunately or unfortunately, everyone was a very reliable, uh, so they all
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So, uh, for usually we want people to be reliable, but, um, and this case we did overbook things.
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She's just, uh, we're always setting precedents on this show, Brian, anytime, every time, every
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So overbooked, overbooked, um, but, uh, some people are going to tag in, tag out and, uh,
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yeah, but, uh, we're going to go around the table once more.
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And if you're single, how long you've been single and longest relationship starting with
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So I am single as of like six, seven months ago, but I definitely am not alone.
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It means that I'm not in a traditional relationship, but I do have men and yeah, I mean, I guess
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we're talking about men, um, just hookups or something, just hooking up with different
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So because of the work I do and the place I am in my life, I have, I've been wanting
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to try polyamory for a while and I kept letting men, uh, change my mind and tie me down.
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And after my last breakup, I decided, I hate it when they, what was that?
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So, so yeah, I decided though, this time around, I'm sticking to my guns and I am only accepting
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people, men or women, mostly men, I'm predominantly straight, a little flexible, but it's harder
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Um, I find, so yeah, I, I have some companions that again, I am a dom, so they serve me real
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quick for me when you said it's hard to find that sort of flexibility.
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Oh no, I mean, I mean finding women companions.
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Um, so because I am a dominant female and I have locked in and been portraying that I
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did initially start out as a submissive in this world.
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I haven't always portrayed this, but I have always had that energy within me.
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So, um, I have men that serve me, they're my friends, they, some of them have the honor
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of sexual relations with me and they're very honored, very, very lucky, very honored, very
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Are you honored to be in a sexual relationship with them?
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Well, if they're honored, shouldn't this be a bit symmetrical?
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I can, I feel honored for the other things that I get in the relationship.
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I can't exactly say I'm honored by what they're giving me sexually, but you know, we all have
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our different strengths and weaknesses and things that we really appreciate out of someone
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I notice that you're wearing some crystals this evening.
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This is definitely a man-made cutesy little, I don't know.
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What's your favorite, what's your favorite color crystal?
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I don't, I wouldn't say I have a favorite color crystal, maybe green.
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Labradorite's really beautiful because it's got lots of green and blue tones and it's kind
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I think crystals are very beautiful and they, they go with that and much more.
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I mean, they have many purposes to them other than their beauty.
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What was the longest relationship you've ever had?
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The longest relationship that I've ever had was probably about three years.
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Um, I am currently seeing someone and I also have a sex slave.
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Uh, when you say you're poly, so you're, are you, uh, dating multiple people?
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So with polyamory, um, even when I'm single and I'm not, uh, in a relationship, I still
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And then if I'm in a relationship, I'm still open to more than one relationship.
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No, actually, uh, we started out as just friends, became friends with benefits.
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And then I asked him if he would be interested in being my sex slave, which actually helps
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Doesn't that kind of like destroy the whole idea though?
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Like if you're going to have a sex slave, isn't it not supposed to be consensual?
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Isn't that where the, where like the real slave driver energy is right?
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I think it depends on the submissive because, uh, and the dominant, uh, because for me, he's
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giving me consent within that amount of time to have my way with him.
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Ultimately, the submissive has all the power.
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So then you're the, so then you're the submissive.
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Not exactly because I'm leading the scene, but the submissive has the, uh, right and the
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When I negotiate with someone and I start to get consent from them, it's like they're
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drawing an outline of a, of a book, like a coloring book.
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And then they're giving me the colors that I'm allowed to use.
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And that's how we create the experience together.
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Uh, I'm single and my longest relationship has, was probably like, I don't know.
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He would probably call it like three years, but reality, like in reality, it was like nine
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months because he wasn't really just dating me.
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So, yeah, but you, you were with him for three years.
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But I think it was a lot of like just me being the one dating and he was just doing what I
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think he was telling people we weren't dating, but had a lot of messy relationships.
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But you said there were off periods during those off periods.
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Like in his eyes, in his eyes, but in my, like, I mean, like, like it was like three
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years, but I mean, like, I don't think for him, it was like three years.
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So you were completely exclusive to him for the entire duration of the three years.
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Um, maybe like, uh, two, eight, two and a half years or so, I'd say.
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Um, I would like to say I'm in a relationship, but technically we broke up in the beginning
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Um, so it's kind of complicated, but my longest relationship was almost five years.
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So you'd, you'd like to say that you're in a relationship?
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Like it's a complicated, we're technically not together though.
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Uh, did, at any, wait, is it the five-year guy or this is a different guy?
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No, the five-year was, um, when I was like a little.
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But the current guy where it's complicated, that's been one year.
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Have you, uh, at any point, have you called each other boyfriend, girlfriend?
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Yeah, so the current complicated situation, um, I've known him for about two years.
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And yeah, we were dating, but we broke up in the beginning of this year.
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Um, sorry guys, I'm getting distractions behind the scenes here.
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Um, okay, so you, uh, are you dating other men?
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Are you just letting him like fuck basically?
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I just like, I'm at a point where when I'm in a relationship, like I basically train myself
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to only be able to be attracted or interested in one person.
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Um, but if he's not, if you're not sure that he's loyal to you and you're like in this ambiguous, unknown space of, I would like him, but I don't know if he likes me.
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Usually when you break up with somebody, it's like you don't continue fucking.
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But like, I just don't see the benefit of going around and saying I'm single.
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I mean, you're, you guys are continuing to, uh, sleep together.
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I've been single for like five, six years since 2020.
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Uh, single for, I think like two, two and a half years.
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Um, longest relationship was between two to three years, somewhere around there.
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I am happily in a relationship with a fantastic man.
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Uh, do you have, uh, were you, were you previously married?
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It was a no-fault divorce, so no lawyers involved, and both people at the courthouse signing
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together, so very clean, and, uh, we wished each other the best, so I think it's the cleanest
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Who, doesn't someone typically have to file the paperwork, though?
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In Florida, you can just go to the office together and sign paperwork together.
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We've been together, total, for six years in June, and, um, previously, I had a, I have
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Who initiated the, uh, divorce for the first marriage?
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Um, it was, um, an unhealthy situation, I'll just say that.
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I am single, uh, my longest relationship was two and a half years, um, and, uh, yeah,
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I was single for a little while, and then very briefly saw a guy, and that ended about
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And unfortunately, um, I think we wanted different things.
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I don't think he was honest about all of his intentions in the interaction.
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Um, he wanted more sexually than I wanted to provide.
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Just, I didn't want to do the things that he wanted to do.
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Well, so, um, there, it was, like, specific sex acts that you were uncomfortable with.
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I mean, I didn't want to do any of those kind of acts, especially, like, we had been together
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And then when I found that out, I was like, okay, well, you know, I'm not really interested
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So, it wasn't, it wasn't a hesitation on your part to, to have sex, but it was the specific,
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perhaps, uh, specific acts that you were just not comfortable with.
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I, I mean, I didn't want to have sex, period.
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So, he wanted to have, maybe it's more simple than that.
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And just two, like, more sexual things that I just, you know, do not want to do so early
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Um, from what I do, social media, he had messaged me and we just talked and got to know each other.
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Were you guys in, like, the same city or was it, like, long, long distance or?
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And we were, we were friends for quite a while.
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But then you only, there was only romantic component for four days.
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We, we hung out for four days straight and I was like, wow, this is so awesome.
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Could you, yeah, could you, yeah, could you date a guy who wasn't quite, uh, on your level
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Um, I mean, there's, like, variants to it, but I think it makes most sense to date somebody
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Um, you know, maybe they don't need to eat in the exact same way that I do, but I think
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So, cooked eggs, cooked meat, cooked other stuff.
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I guess if they were able, they were willing to convert, but if you're already on, like,
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the carnivore train, why wouldn't you want to eat it raw?
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I want to know where you found another person that also eats raw meat.
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I got introduced to it all from three women that I knew.
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Um, and there was a pretty decent primal community in where I was living.
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And there's a decently large community for it online as well.
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Is that a good place to find each other and maybe, like, date other people that only eat
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I mean, maybe, but there's a lot of interesting figures in that community that, you know.
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And then some of them, I think, are a little dove off the deep end.
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What is the deep end of not cooking your food and just eating, like, raw everything?
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There's this one guy who, um, his name is Gotis online.
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And he's done a lot of activism, some might say, to promote the diet.
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But he also has wild takes, like, throwing acid on women.
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Yeah, what kind of acid, uh, acid that will burn them.
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So, and he's an influencer at the same time, or?
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I don't, he's not presently making videos, but he is probably the person with the largest
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online following for the raw meat community.
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Do you think the parasites got to his head?
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I think he was just, some people are just born with something inside of them.
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Or, or they, I mean, you could say that too, but.
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I don't think that was necessarily a contributor.
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There's a lot of people who are part of the raw community, who have been part of it for
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decades, who are normal, practical, happy, healthy people.
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I would argue the more famous one is, like, liver king, right?
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In the primal community, I would say, because he's, I mean, there's a whole thing with steroids
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and whatnot, and generally the primal community has a focus on naturalism.
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But, I mean, everything's intermeshed nowadays.
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So I guess liver king could be the, the biggest guy, but.
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Wait, so you would not, whoever you're going to date, they got it.
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I don't want to, like, force somebody to do something they're not comfortable with.
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But my last relationship, which was, you know, the longest relationship, not the four days
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But it makes sense to probably tell somebody, like, hey, by the way, first thing you should
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know about me before we even go on a date is I eat everything raw.
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And if you don't eat things raw, then this isn't going to work out.
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I mean, I'm not very experienced with dating, to be frank.
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So I'm not really like, okay, full disclosure, you know.
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If you went to a restaurant and they, like, you would tell them not to cook your food?
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Yeah, there's a lot of things you can order, like steak tartare, for example, that's pretty
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And I'm also very specific about the kind of meat I do eat.
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I don't want to eat anything that was factory farmed.
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So that limits the kinds of restaurants you can go to.
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Generally, those are going to be more higher end farm to table, which almost always
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So a couple things here on this, a couple things here on the whole raw situation.
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Really quick, though, you said you don't have much dating experience.
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I mean, I have a dating experience in the sense that.
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Yes, I said I had the relationship for two and a half years.
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But is that your only relationship that you've had?
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And then the next one was two and a half years.
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Well, with the raw stuff, I mean, this is like 0.00001% of the population that either already
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does this or would be willing to have this kind of diet.
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But from a dating perspective, I think it's going to close a lot of doors, not to say
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There's obviously an existing community, and you can try to pull from that pool of people.
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Okay, but you're – so when you say you're traditional, I guess in what ways?
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Well, I don't associate really with any religion.
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I think there's great parts of each one, but I don't subscribe to any of that specific dogma.
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I guess a lot of it is just based in naturalism as well and just kind of the natural order
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What's the natural order in terms of dating between men and women?
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Well, naturally speaking, men would be the provider in the relationship, and women have
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So from your perspective, should women be submissive in a relationship?
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No, I don't think women need to be submissive in a relationship.
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Because we each have different strengths and qualities, and that really depends on from
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So lead you when you're in the mood to be led and you have permanent veto power in all
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I mean, I don't think that in, like, the end-all be-all case.
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I think each individual person has things that they're good at.
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For example, in my last relationship, he was, you know, he knew everything about finances
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and everything like that, and I deferred to him a lot in that realm.
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So you're more socially conservative and then economically conservative, or then?
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It just really depends on from relationship to relationship.
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Should men be providers in a relationship?
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I mean, if you want to have children with a woman, I think it makes sense to do that.
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So men have all the responsibility and none of the authority if they're dating you?
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I mean, ultimately, somebody that you're in a relationship with, if they're telling you
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For example, like today, in today's realm, I think that there's a lot of men who like a
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lot of aspects of traditionalism, and they like a lot of things of these nature.
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But they, what I've seen a lot happen to many of my girlfriends is that they'll end up getting
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forced into things they're not comfortable with, specifically in the sexual department.
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You know, I think, number one, you have to listen to God.
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And if something doesn't feel right to you, you shouldn't defer to that just because somebody
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When you say forced, what are you talking about?
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But I mean, there are instances of people being like more forced into it.
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So ultimately, I mean, everybody has autonomy and they can decide, but there's a manipulative
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I think men that can be great leaders, but women have the areas that they can live as well.
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Outside of sexual stuff, obviously, do you think it's okay for men to pressure, coerce you
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into a certain thing if it is for your own good?
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If it's in your best interest in mind, then I think that makes sense.
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What if you don't think personally it's in your best interest because you don't know
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You can always experiment and I don't think you should be so like a diehard on that department.
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Are we officially on the topic of, you know, what is the role of men and women in relationships
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and who should be more submissive or dominant or what?
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Well, in your ideal relationship, like you, not even yours, but just generally the ideal
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relationship, do you believe that a woman should be submissive?
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For whatever reason, I don't think submissive is necessarily the right word.
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I think we defer to each other in different ways.
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You know, for example, if you're a mother with a young child, right, and ideally you wouldn't
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You'd probably have a better idea of what that child needs in those early development
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years than the father might have if he's gone at work.
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And that's not to say that the father isn't in touch with his child.
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It doesn't mean he doesn't love his child, but our different experiences will create a
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different environment in which we're able to...
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Because we might be missing definitions on submissive.
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Like, what do you think I mean when I say submissive?
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Yeah, I guess for me, I come from a Catholic background, so I grew up Catholic and always
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kind of that association of submissive is just saying, like, yes to everything, being
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So that's just kind of what I've come to associate it with because that's how I've seen submissive
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Don't you think, like, being submissive, you would be more prone to do that to somebody
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that you trust rather than someone you just met?
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And isn't that the point of the breastfeeding and the getting to know somebody?
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I think with all of that, women have to have a lot of discernment when they get into a relationship.
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And if you can get in a position where you're with a man who does love you and who does have
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your best intentions at mind, then that's a situation you can be submissive.
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But the reason why I have such a differentiation with that is because I think a lot of women kind
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of lack that discernment and they lack getting in these situations and in these relationships
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with men who really do have their best interests at heart.
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I have a completely different idea of why things are so messed up in relationships nowadays.
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And I think it's because we are living in times that have never existed before between
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I'd say up until the 1970s, women weren't really equal to men when it comes to being financially
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By the way, I'm very conservative, so I'm just pointing out the facts.
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The reason I'm even on this show is because I think that we need to fix relationships between
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men and women so that we have more nuclear families.
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And so I want to speak the truth to help both sides, men and women, get along a lot better.
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Can I just add to that is that I agree with like...
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For me, my opinion on what you're saying is that I just think like we have an impatience
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And so just the millennial generation of women is the first generation that can be financially
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So the millennial woman can technically afford life for herself.
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That's the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.
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So, well, we could disagree and that's why we're here, right?
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Women don't need men financially, therefore they want them for different reasons.
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The thing is, is when you're talking about women not being able to get credit cards, women
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So who incurs the most amount of debt in modernity?
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So the thing is, is like, that doesn't seem like that's financial independence.
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And not only that, most of the time that they end up with houses, they own more houses than
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They usually get them in divorces, not because they bought them straight out.
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And the idea here, women could get bank accounts, actually.
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And it went through the husband because the husband was responsible for all the debt.
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They could still spend the money, but they couldn't incur the debt.
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But they also couldn't take out a loan or have a credit card.
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If they were married, their husband took out the loan because they couldn't incur the debt.
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So there wasn't financial independence is what I'm trying to say.
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Why would you need financial independence if you're married?
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Because when people have historically been in positions of power over other people, people
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When you have any kind of relationship in history where there's...
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Because of the fact that men back in the day, again, weren't able to...
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Or women back in the day were not able to be financially independent.
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They were in a position where they couldn't be their individual selves.
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Right this second, right now, as we speak, if you're married, can your wife go into your
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No, if you don't have any financial independence.
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Sometimes men are controlling don't allow you to have...
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If I had to rely on my man's money, I would feel...
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Do you really want me to try to argue with five people at once?
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You need financial independence from your husband?
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I want to make sure that you say yes or no and then the qualifier.
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Yeah, but I need you to answer yes or no and then the qualifier.
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So, yes, I still think that people are individuals regardless of whether they are in a partnership
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And that's why more women are refusing to be married.
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And I think the number one reason, the number one proof that women weren't happy or satisfied
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back in the day when they supposedly didn't have to work is that when they were offered
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the opportunity to join the workforce, they did, right?
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They did and they became more financially independent.
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Just because you're married doesn't mean your man has all your best interests and your desires
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The reason that women had to enter the workforce is because you couldn't afford anymore to have
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Most women, when asked, say that they would prefer, if they've been in the workforce, to be
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Because most men would prefer to be out of the workforce.
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It wouldn't be nice if I could just sit at home all day and do nothing.
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So the other thing is, is all you're advocating is that wives need to have financial independence
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And this basic concept that we as conservative women are trying to get men, conservative men
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like you, to understand is the reason that there is this complete ideological divide where
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even conservative women are not getting married.
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What is the difference between this position and the liberal position?
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Don't blanket that with conservative women.
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And you just said one sentence that is extremely important, which is women, they're just going
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to stay at home and do nothing if they're married.
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And the fact that you don't understand the intrinsic value of being a homemaker and a
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wife, that is the reason why there is this problem, right?
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Just because women have worked but not have been paid for the work that they do as a homemaker,
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And women are getting unpaid labor at home, taking care of their children.
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Guys, it is an intelligent capitalist position.
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So a smart woman is going to consider, hey, am I going to get into a relationship with
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a man that expects me to cook and clean for us and for our kids in the day?
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The best example I can put is, you know, let's say that you have a child that is yours biologically
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How do you take care of that child if not by paying somebody to cook for it, to feed it,
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The qualifier is if you weren't independently wealthy, right?
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If you're in your current position right now, how much do you think you would have to shell
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out to maintain that child that is biologically yours and just got to your doorstep?
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Depends on the choices I want to make for the kid.
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There has been research on this, and they quantified it to a number, to over $200,000
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Wait, really quick on this point, and then I'll pass it right back to Andrew.
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So breakfast, lunch, and dinner made for two people.
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And if you have kids, you have to add that as well.
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If you take kids to school, then that is a personal driver.
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Or you just drive them and drop them off at school.
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Because women will do this thing, like, and it's very...
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What you'll do is you'll take, okay, how much does a professional cleaner make in a year?
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But professional cleaners are cleaning 40 hours a week.
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So, okay, for example, if you were to hire a professional cleaner once per week, how much would that cost?
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Some people are going to collapse the entire yearly earnings of all these industries.
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That's not what they did in those studies, though.
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So are you also doing the factoring in as to, you know, men are doing...
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They're basically unpaid yard work and they're unpaid executive protection.
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Would you expect your boyfriend to, like, protect you in some sort of life-threatening situation?
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He can, but we would both be, you know, good with it.
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They say a gun is an equalizer, the great equalizer.
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Are you as equal with this handgun as your boyfriend?
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He obviously, I'm assuming your boyfriend, is physically stronger than you.
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He would fare better trying to take on a physical threat.
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And so basically, men are on the same spectrum in that they have to see...
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If they financially benefit from coming into a partnership with a woman.
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Because a man doesn't need a woman to cook or clean for them, right?
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Women can pay somebody to do the yard work for them.
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What I'm trying to say is that I want men and women to come into a relationship together
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by understanding the value that they both bring to the table.
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I think that society could not function with them being in key roles.
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However, women are equally as critical for the different services that they provide.
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And I feel like historically, unfortunately, that has been ignored.
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And that's why we're seeing this loneliness epidemic between men and women.
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I just want to argue the whole protection thing, too, for her.
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Because her partner doesn't have to protect her.
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So that he can continue to look at her pretty face and have her in his life?
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Would you want a man that doesn't automatically protect you?
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No, I'm saying, would you want a man who does not automatically protect you?
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But they should appreciate me to that degree that they want to.
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Might her partner have an expectation, then, that, you know, she mother the kids?
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But doing all the deep cleaning of the house and the cooking of the every man.
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The first hole is, do you want to outsource your child to other people?
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Where does the financial independence thing come in?
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So, I actually support women that want to be stay-at-home moms and stay...
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I know, but let me answer the question you asked me, right?
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I want to make sure that you understand the question I asked you.
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So, I'm going to ask you to repeat the question I asked you.
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The question I'm asking you is, do you want mothers, mothers who are at home...
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And if you do or don't, how are they able to be financially independent?
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Do you believe that women should financially outsource taking care of their kids?
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And I think that that depends on the individual.
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So, there's women that want to be full-time mothers and stay at home with their kids.
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And there's women that want to have a career and also have kids.
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And the fact that we're chastising those kinds of women is why, again, we are in this battle of the sexes.
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How does a woman maintain financial independence?
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Meaning, how does she work if she stays at home with her kids?
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I have chastising women for being working mothers.
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You guys are saying that most people, women don't want to work, men wouldn't want to work if they could choose.
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But personally, it would be my dream to be able to have a family and have the freedom to have my side hustle and have my business.
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If you work for an exception, you could have it all.
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There's only been like two at a time this whole time.
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That is also work that requires being a small amount of time in the office and you can homeschool.
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That means that you only take two to three hours a day.
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Actually, it's not eight hours like public school, i.e. government indoctrination centers.
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You take two to three hours taking care of your kids, educating your kids, instilling the moral values that you want in them.
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Do you see the new hole you just made in your ideology, though?
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And then you have the rest of the day to also do your job, whatever it is that you are passionate about.
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Whatever you're passionate about and you can bring your kids along to it.
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So the way that women have financial independence, while they don't outsource the child care, is by having part-time remote work.
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Does she get to keep all that money or does that go to the contribution of the household?
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If that's the case, how is she being financially independent again?
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Because she can still have personal accounts that she only has access to.
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So she's keeping the money away from the contribution of the household in a personal account that nobody else has access to.
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I think that every single adult, male and female, should have a prenup.
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And that should be part of that as well for their own personal protection.
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But I think overall, the reason for the prenup...
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So you're advising women to hide money from the household?
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This is like, even if this was a traditional structure, it still would not be the traditional structure.
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But how is it hiding if it's something that was previously agreed upon before coming into America?
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When you're talking about advising, you're like, listen, women.
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What I want you to do is have your own independent money.
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And the way that you can do this and not outsource the child care so you don't have to work is hopefully you can be one of the few.
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So you don't have to work so that you can work, you mean.
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Women have children, and you don't want them to outsource the care of the children to other people.
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Well, you would agree with me it's better for the outcomes of children if they don't.
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If I want to go on a date night with my husband, yes, I will outsource.
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That is exactly what I'm referring to about outsourcing care.
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Hiring a babysitter for six hours is far different than sending your kid...
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So we have different definitions than outsourcing care.
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We're talking about long-term outsourcing of the raising of your children to other people.
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So woman stays home and you want her to have her own money.
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You don't want her to outsource the care of the children.
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That means that she has to get some kind of remote job while she's at home.
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But instead of contributing all of that to the joint household expenses, you still are
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recommending that she hold some of it in reserve, right?
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In her own account that her husband can't access?
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How does that not create a massive division in the marriage?
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Why not just share everything in the marriage?
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Honey, I want you to get married with no prenup whatsoever.
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Well, first of all, the prenup would be better for the man.
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The prenup would actually be better for the man.
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So her, I would tell her not to get the prenup.
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Because if they got a divorce, she's going to actually have an advantage in court.
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Why would I want my daughter to marry a man who she didn't trust enough to manage the household finances,
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or even if they jointly manage the household finances,
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for them to have complete access to each other's accounts, social media?
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Do you get to make a choice on who she marries, though?
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You would advise your daughter to basically...
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But I have a paradigm, an orthodox religious paradigm.
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I think we're forgetting the fact that when you are in a long-term marriage, there is
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a possibility that one of the partners could go through mental illness.
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Or you end up with a narcissist that doesn't reveal themselves until they've got you locked
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Now, keep your hands raised if you've dated a narcissist.
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In true definition, though, probably not, but like modern definition.
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Now, keep your hand raised if they were a diagnosed narcissist or if you...
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They would have to go to therapy and doctors and do that kind of shit.
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I think we're deviating from the subject here.
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So one person at the table actually dated a diagnosed narcissist.
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We're deviating from the subject where I'm just pointing out that it's hypocritical to say that you don't believe women and men should have prenups when you know that you wouldn't advise your daughter to get into a marriage without a prenup with a man.
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No, I literally told you the prenup would be in favor for the man, not for her.
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Maybe because she doesn't have money to begin with.
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So saying that you don't want a prenup is the equivalent of saying that you don't believe that you'll amount to anything in life that will be worth something that somebody else wants to...
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What if I make more than my husband in the future?
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My ex-employer, Charlie Kirk, answered this question not too long ago when he was on the
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podcast or it was on one of his Prove Me Wrongs.
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And just because women first initiate divorces doesn't mean that men aren't the first ones
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They put as the reason things like irreconcilable differences.
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They're just putting irreconcilable differences.
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Your former employer, by the way, Charlie Kirk, would have completely and totally agreed with
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So Charlie Kirk is recommending to his daughters to get a prenuptial agreement?
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Because he's not here and I don't know that either.
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I hope that you are not saying things that aren't true.
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I'm pretty confident that Charlie Kirk did not have a prenup with Erica Kirk.
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I mean, I can call Jack Prasovic and ask him right now.
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Look in the camera and say that you think that Charlie Kirk had a prenup with Erica Kirk.
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I don't know whether or not they had a prenup.
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I mean, I don't know for a fact who you say you are.
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And the huge hole in your logic is if you're advising women to not outsource their care,
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try to get some kind of remote job, what I don't understand is why you're trying to pit
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the husband and wife against each other, though.
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Why is it that she doesn't have as much responsibility to the contribution of the household as he does?
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If he wants to have access to her money, why shouldn't he be allowed to do that?
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Statistically speaking, couples that have prenups last longer and don't get divorces.
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Well, I don't even think that's true, actually.
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I would say it's probably likely true if it is.
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I'm going to calm down, ladies, so I can answer.
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I think it would be likely due to wealth because wealthy people divorce less and wealthy people
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Therefore, I would say it's probably the most likely wealthy people get prenups.
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Because it correlates that people with prenups get divorced less.
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And it also correlates that people who are wealthy get divorced less.
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Why should we use your correlate that it's the prenup which prevents them from getting
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No, I just presented a fact, which is that those people...
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It correlates to, and divorce lawyers speak on this, it's the fact that those couples are
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the ones that have the difficult conversations on money, on lifestyle, and all of those things
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and put it down on paper before they get married.
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Because that's what emotionally intelligent people do.
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Most people do not have the wealth to even worry about a prenup.
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Do you think that non-wealthy people don't get prenups?
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I am not a non-wealthy person that got a prenup.
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Okay, and that is what percentage of the population that has?
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But we still have a lot more than, what, 5% of prenups?
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Yes, but no, we have a lot more prenups than we have people that qualify as wealthy, according to you.
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Yeah, what you would need to show us, though, isn't that there's no poor people who get prenups, because that was never the statement.
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What you'd need to show us was whether or not it's the case that the correlate here isn't that wealthy people get divorced less, because they're wealthy, or it's the case that it's because they have a prenup they're getting divorced less.
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Because that correlates with higher forms of education.
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I asked you what you think the correlation was.
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Those are the things that correlate with less divorce.
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But regardless, when you have a prenup, then absolutely.
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Hold on, because I was getting a little distracted here.
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Regardless, if you do have a prenup, then there is a high probability that you stay married.
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You have to demonstrate it's because of the prenup and not because of the other correlates,
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which would be wealth and education, which are the higher contributing factors for lessening divorce.
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Like, do poor people with prenups get divorced less?
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I think that those are the statistics that you need to find online.
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No, you're looking at an average of all prenups and saying, okay, on average, this has some correlate to a smaller percentage.
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I know that being wealthy isn't the reason, because you just said wealthy to you.
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If it's $500,000 or more, and I'm telling you that that is what may be the top 5% of the population,
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but a lot more than the top 5% of the population get prenups, yes or no?
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Okay, do you agree with me that on average, men are taller than women?
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Okay, but do you also agree that some women are taller than the average man?
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Do you agree with me that there are some women, though, who are taller than average men?
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Does that eliminate the fact that on average, men are taller?
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Okay, so when we're talking about a correlate here, we're going to use the same standard.
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Do you agree with me that people who have high educations or higher education get divorced
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Okay, do you also agree that there's a correlate between people who have higher education and
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Okay, so now we are agreeing that wealthy people and highly educated people get divorced
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Those are also the people most likely to get prenups.
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Just because other people also get prenups who aren't them doesn't mean that the contributing
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factor here to the lesser divorce has anything to do with the prenup.
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However, the point I'm trying to make is that I think it is good for not just rich people
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But you're saying the reason is because that's going to contribute to lesser divorce
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What I'm asking you is to demonstrate that part.
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Not if people who are wealthy and have high education get lesser divorce also have more
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prenups, but whether or not people who have prenups who aren't in those categories
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are actually getting divorced less because of the prenup.
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So, if, again, only top 5% of the population qualifies as wealthy, according to you, and
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they do get a prenup, and as a result, they don't-
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Now, for the rest of the population, that doesn't qualify as wealthy, according to you, the
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Because it's clearly not wealth that's keeping them together.
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It must be the fact that they are responsible individuals that get together.
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Responsible individuals that get together and talk about the reasons why they want to
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You're just saying, I agree with you, Andrew, that people who have prenups who are also in
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these high categories for lesser divorce, I agree that those are the contributing factors
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for the lesser divorce, but I also just assume that other people who get prenups who aren't
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in those wealthy or highly educated categories also get divorced less, based on I made it up.
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That's not the point, but I'm not going to let you get away with the argument that prenup,
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just having a prenup is going to lead to lesser divorce.
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The strong correlate is going to be higher education, wealth.
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Those are the things which usually inspire people to get prenuptial agreements to begin
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with, and those are already in the categories of people who get divorced less.
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When you say an auto mechanic gets a prenup with a waitress, right?
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What part of the prenup is the mass consideration for divorce here?
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Mechanics can make a lot of money, so I disagree on that.
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Mechanics can make a lot of money, so I disagree on that.
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That's why you can't possibly conceptualize, and that's why it is a problem.
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The fact that you're thinking that those two people, that the waitress and the mechanic
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can't make money in the future after they get married-
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Okay, so that is the premise that you're saying?
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I'm saying if a mechanic and a waitress, they have a prenup, and then like three years later
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But that was, I don't know, on average, like a year longer than most people.
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How would the prenup have done anything with that exactly?
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Well, first of all, it's very unlikely that they get divorced in the first place.
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But hypothetically, right, the good thing is, if they do get a prenup and they do get
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divorced, is that they set the standards for their divorce instead of some random person
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That's not a good enough reason for a prenup, no.
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No, you want the government to make the decision for you.
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You can't have those things without marriage?
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If the whole idea here from you, from the FemCon, the FemCon idea, don't marry yourself
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It's like, okay, well then why get married at all?
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Because right now marriage is a legal institution as well.
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I do, so that's the same thing you're advising a prenup for.
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So since it is, you're denying reality, which is that marriage is a legal concept.
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Why do they even need to get married at all then?
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How is that me arguing instead of asking you a question?
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What's the difference between a question and an argument?
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So then I asked you a question that's the opposite of an argument.
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Because you want somebody to witness your life.
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Because that is what creates healthy, intelligent children.
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That can see parents that are in a healthy relationship, that love each other.
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There's so many benefits to marriage, and I want people to get married.
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Tell me any of those things that you just listed that you can't have absent marriage.
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Because you don't, nothing says I choose you, and I'm committed to the person.
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Nothing says I choose you, but Pikachu, I choose you.
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I'm about to allow you to speak, but I was trying to actually open it up to the whole
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That's what I, yeah, but you guys, let me get it in here.
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We have a chat coming through, then I'll have you guys weigh in.
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Um, if this is dressed like, you know, that, then, you know, that is your qualifier.
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This is why you're watching the show and are single.
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We're like, we're like 10 minutes away from finishing this.
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We do have other people on the panel as a thing and I need to be considerate.
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You guys can finish that conversation, but those of you who've been listening and want
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to weigh in on something, now's your opportunity if you'd like to weigh in.
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Okay, I have like two things I want to say and it just doesn't have anything to do with
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My thing is that women's jobs are easier now than they have ever been in the household
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We don't have to go to the quarry and rub our clothes on rocks anymore.
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So that's why women got bored and wanted to move into the workforce.
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And then second of all, just like men have spreadsheets that they work on instead.
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So if you want to take this seat and finish your thought.
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And then my second thing is I only understand Andrew's point in the fact that if you're going
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And a prenup, yeah, again, probably more for if you have money, you know, or, and if you're
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Then get a, you can, I think you can still get a prenup eventually, even after you get
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And then, yeah, I just, that's like all I'm going to say.
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You guys seem to like you wanted to weigh in here a bit.
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Even, I'm sorry, even if you're not legally married with a certificate, by law, you are
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legally married after a certain amount of time.
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Wait, are you responding to her or is this your original thing that you wanted to bring
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This is just something that I wanted to weigh in on.
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So what, you're talking about civil, what is it?
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I know by law, it varies per state, that you are legally married to someone after spending
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a certain amount of time with them, especially living in a household with them.
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That's, I think it's common law marriage, I believe is the term.
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If you've been holding yourself out to be as if you were married, you're living together,
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you're cohabitating, then the state could deem you, you weren't legally officially married,
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but you were acting in such a way that was commensurate to as if you were married, so
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they're going to consider you legally married, common law marriage.
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I wanted to respond to you and saying like, oh, trust them, and you said, oh, trust them.
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So like, how many people that share blood with us that we're supposed to trust, maybe
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our mother or father, or, you know, even someone that we trusted, a partner that we trusted
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for many years, we feel so secure in that scenario.
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How many times does that trust fleet away because of some sort of outside factor?
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So even though you're smart, and you had the best intuition, and you had all, you tried
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to do everything, buy your book, it still happens.
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People change, people's motives change, people's desires change, so trust is fucking-
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Absent Christianity, there's actually no reason for men to get married.
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But there's no reason for the breadwinner to get married.
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There's breadwinners, total, total L to get married.
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Yeah, and here's my question that I kept trying to ask Andrew.
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He's like, oh, what if you got a waitress and a mechanic?
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But you don't know what those people's lives are, what those people's assets are, what money
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they're going to be getting from family or godfather, mother in the future?
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So, okay, let's say your daughter has a few million coming to her in the future.
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So would it change if his daughter had, let's say, 10 million coming to her?
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He's speaking, he's saying, oh, like, because it's to protect the man.
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What about your daughter that might have a lot of money in her name?
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When you begin a prenup, when you know the paperwork's in action and you're about to
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get a trust sent to you, you're going to go to a lawyer and get that all taken care
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So, yeah, but you don't need to do it at the beginning of the marriage.
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The whole argument here is that we're pro-prenup, and he's saying...
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Well, I don't necessarily think that that's his position.
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You haven't stated your position exactly on whether you're pro or against.
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Here's why I consider this a Femcon position.
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Everything here that she's talking about is materialist-based.
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She's talking from specifically a materialist lens.
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So from my view, right, marriage is a religious institution, and it's designed specifically
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If you want to see the lowest divorce rates, look at the people who are the most religious.
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That's when you'll find the least divorce is there.
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Not only statistically true, very statistically true.
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The more often, the more rigorous they practice, the least likely they are to divorce.
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If it's the logical view, then I need this one question answered.
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If we're only protecting our stuff, our things, stuff we want, and protecting from the future...
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Your contributions with your little quips and your little add-ins are not really...
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They're not adding substance to the conversation, and it's interrupting.
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But just, even if you disagree, let him finish.
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If that's the case, and it's just material, and you say it's logical, it's logical for
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you to want to keep material separation in case bad things happen.
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What the fuck is the point of getting married at all?
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If you're going to sign a contract with the state, if you're preventing the state from
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coming in and dividing assets by having other contracts, why not just use the secular
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method and just have all of those things absent the state contract?
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So unless you can explain to me what it is you're going to get out of a marriage that
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Absent the religious qualia, then I want to hear it.
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And the reality that we live in is that marriage is not just a religious institution now.
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It is also a financial agreement and a long-term life contract.
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I'm asking you, what would be the point if it's the case that you see marriage as being
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a long-form financial partnership with another person, right, that you want to protect yourself
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from the state dividing your assets with that person, potentially leaving you with nothing?
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And why do you need to have a prenup if you just don't get married?
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Because in a prenup, you could write down a cheating clause, which I would have, right?
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I want a prenup to make my marriage stronger in the future.
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That is going to be bad for the both of us, right?
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But why are you getting married in the first place?
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Because you want somebody to spend your life with.
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So why didn't you just get married in the church?
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Part of getting married in the church is that you get legally married.
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But I just want to let you know you still haven't answered my question.
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But I want to promise you to answer mine afterwards.
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A lot of churches cannot actually marry you legally without utilizing the state.
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I was not, when I got married, which was so many years ago, as rigorous as I am now.
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The second thing is, if I was only looking from the materialist view, though, it's a financial...
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Realistically explain to me what you're going to get out of the marriage that you're not
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If I am not married, and I'm living with a person long-term, and we have shared financial
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And one of us decides to hurt the other, betray the other, or anything, and now we want
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Now I have to create a mess out of my life just to leave that relationship.
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If we have kids, it's extremely complicated as well.
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If you do have a legal contract in place that talks about if those things were to happen
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Why is marriage necessary for you to have a contract with somebody that they can't take
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Why can't you have a contract with a person on what you're going to do absent marriage?
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Because, again, marriage is a legal contract and it is a...
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It is an institution that basically is ingrained in our society and children...
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That's not giving me the reason why you need to get married.
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Children that come from married households do better.
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Is that because of the marriage or is that because it's a mom and dad in the same household?
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Do you think a mom and dad in the same household...
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You don't get to tell me how I answer the question.
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I'm just going to answer all your questions with questions then?
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I think it's fair for you to answer the question, please.
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You're trying to say that kids that are raised in a household where the parents are
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legally married do the same or have the same advantage as kids that are raised in a household
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where the parents are together but not legally married.
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The difference is, statistically speaking, the ones that are married do better.
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Yeah, but what would that have to do with a certificate with the state?
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From a secular view, why couldn't you have the exact...
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So the reason that you generally see inside of married households the outcomes being better
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for the kids because it's tied to religion almost every single time.
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The outcomes are way better for the kids because it's tied to religion.
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If you're talking about a purely secular household...
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Like mother and father or boyfriend-girlfriend for 20 years, why do the kids from that union
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do a lot less better than the people that are married?
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Because if they're religious, they don't live like that.
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If they're not religious, they live like that, right?
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No, most marriages are not, which is why so many of them fail at high, high, high rates.
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And so the thing is, is like, this doesn't even...
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We're both trying to prevent marriages from failing.
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Yeah, but I still need to know why it would be that you need to get married at all under your worldview here.
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I just actually was thinking of a point to make, but I didn't do that.
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If the worldview here is just that you want to have a contract with somebody and live with them,
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and that's going to create better outcomes for the kid...
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You're not telling me why it would be that you would need to get married through the state at all.
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Well, we're both trying to, right, get more people married and to stay married longer.
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Your argument is that they need to be religious,
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and my argument is they should sign a freaking paper and talk about the hard stuff together.
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Which is easier to convert people or to sign a...
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there would be no reason to actually get married through the state,
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Give me one that you can't have without the state involved.
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One thing that you're getting from the state you can't just do.
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If you go to a hospital, right, and your partner in life gets sick or hurt,
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you have nothing to prove that you are their partner, so they can't...
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You asked for an example, and I just gave you one, right?
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Here's what I have to do, just because we have a lot of people on the panel.
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I want to make sure that we can get other people...
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I want to make sure we can get other people pulled in.
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I'll give you each one minute to finalize your point on this,
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And then time permitting, if we want to revisit it later,
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The idea is actually it's going to elevate women.
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They're trying to secure the fact that there's going to be failure.
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And by the way, let me point this out very quickly.
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for what you would be getting in this relationship,
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She just keeps saying that they should get married
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So advanced medical directives, you can have that without marriage.
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You don't need marriage for any of these things.
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Okay, so again, I think that the benefit of marriage is somebody to witness your life
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with, to do life with, to make life easier with, and love is the number one component
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I want us to go into a marriage for the right reasons, and I want to set a good example for
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my kids and make sure that they are taken care of.
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Prenup is to only protect your wealth, not to protect community property.
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Share two common lois after you've been living together for seven years.
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I think some states, it could be lower than that, or they lowered it, but I'm not sure.
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Yeah, I was just simply going to say, because he keeps asking, why get married?
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In fact, I would say it's only a spiritual thing.
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So, the thing is, is like, if you're going to up-level...
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If you're going to up-level your commitment, why do you want a prenup again?
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Because if I'm going to be making that commitment, I want a prenup for protection.
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And what that prenup resembles, it's a reflection on those difficult conversations that you can have and that relationship that you have with your partner and yourself.
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Yeah, but what's preventing you from loving them?
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I want to solidify that commitment in a way that involves more than just me and them.
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Do you think so people do make that commitment, they go to the state, they get the marriage license?
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Do you think that this precludes people from splitting up?
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It just seems to me like it's protection for you.
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It's with the intention that you're not splitting up.
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Say, obviously, people can have two incomes in a relationship.
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And perhaps in a scenario, you guys both have perfectly equal equivalent income and resources and finances.
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But typically, you're going to see one person having more resources, more money, higher income than the other.
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It seems like it actually creates an incentive for the person who makes less money.
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It actually starts giving them a financial incentive to leave the relationship because there's a financial incentive when you get married.
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So, do we agree, though, that prenups aren't going to cover kids, right?
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Because the state will come in even on a prenup for kids in order to divide up kids.
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My understanding, and Brian, pull this up, but a prenup does not facilitate custodial rights even at divorce.
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But my understanding with prenups, it can address that which...
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The assets prior to marriage, but I don't think prenups can address the community property...
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...or it can't address that which was accrued during the course of the marriage.
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I do want to move the topic on a little bit, time permitting.
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I think this all kind of kicked off when we were talking about raw meat over here.
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As somebody that kind of has your position on this, on prenups, the only argument that I've heard, the strongest one, is like, okay, well, why do you get car insurance and then you still drive?
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Why do you get health insurance and you still go outside?
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The position is simply, what in the fuck is the point of the marriage if the idea here is we need prenups to protect assets, that's what our primary goal is, what the fuck do you even want to get married for then?
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When you have a second marriage with a new person and they are actively fighting to get custody for their children is a reason, and it happens way or more often than you think.
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Some states, some chancery courts require, if you're going to have custody with a new person in the home living with a child and you want to show stability and you want to prove to the court that you are a stable parent, you have to legally get married to benefit that.
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Because I agree with you and I agree with you because I was with you even as a religious person because what is the point?
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However, when you're put in positions with an outside parent with children, it gets convoluted and the court wants these...
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I'm sorry, I have to move this on off of the prenup stuff.
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You write a disagreement that you have with the show is that sex workers...
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Or your disagreement is that about sex workers not deserving chivalry.
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So you believe sex workers do deserve chivalry.
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However, I've said on the show, I don't believe that sex workers or beyond just sex workers, even if a woman's not a sex worker, but if she's not a lady, so to speak, if she's not trad, she doesn't deserve chivalry.
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I think that every woman deserves chivalry if they're connecting with someone, yeah.
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But if it's connecting, like on a level of understanding where they are reciprocating each other's values.
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And not everyone's going to have the same moral values.
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So why do women in general deserve chivalry?
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Can you respect a woman and not provide or do chivalry?
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I guess it depends on the relationship dynamic, like what you prefer.
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But I do think that we all deserve to respect each other and to like...
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I think we deserve to respect each other and to provide like basic human respect, like decency.
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I don't expect my boyfriend to open the door all the time.
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Can you list some of the ways in which men are specifically chivalrous?
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Can you list some of the ways that men are specifically chivalrous?
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I can't necessarily like list it as a structure, like a set structure, like a certain way to do it.
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Because what some would deem chivalrous could also be insulting to others.
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Well, you would agree with me, though, when we're talking about chivalry.
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Chivalry is something that men do or provide in the direction of women.
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It's not ever the reverse, where women are acting in a chivalrous manner towards men.
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You would agree that chivalry is something men do?
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I don't necessarily think that women can't be chivalrous, so no.
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So, for example, if chivalry is opening the car door and paying for the first date, yes, logically a woman could do that.
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But typically the expectation is not on women to do that.
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The opening of the car door, paying for the first date, walking on the side of the road where the car's...
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Because they are the biologically stronger sex.
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They get to feel good that they are protecting their woman.
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Can we clarify definitions as to what you think chivalry is versus respect is when talking about how you treat a person with respect versus chivalry?
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So chivalry would typically be something that's...
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You never hear either men saying, I'd like a woman who's chivalrous.
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So chivalry would be typically the more gendered expectations of men.
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And those would typically be observing the sidewalk rule where the man walks closer to the road, paying for first dates.
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You could even extend that to being uniquely the provider in the relationship, uniquely paying for things in the relationship, protector, being the protector, opening the car door, these sorts of things.
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I would consider that chivalry, whereas respect would be we would all agree that, for example, if we go on a date with somebody, we shouldn't insult them, and that would be symmetrical.
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So the question, what we're talking about here is whether sex workers should be treated with chivalry versus respect.
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Like, do you think that they should be treated with respect, as in like just like a normal person?
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I take it to because a woman could not be a lady, so to speak, and not be a sex worker.
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So a woman could just be very modest in her dress.
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She could be polyamorous, but not a sex worker.
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She could be sleeping with multiple men at the same time.
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I think if we're going to have an expectation that men are gentlemen, the woman should not show up on the date with another man's seed inside of her.
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Like, I'm not going to pay – I don't think a man should pay for a woman on the date, be the gentleman, when there's literally another man's seed oozing out of her.
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So sex workers, by virtue of them being involved in sex work, are not ladies.
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A woman could just not be deserving of chivalry.
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So my position is simply if you're a sex worker – look, by the way, just to be clear, I acknowledge that sex workers are even nontraditional women.
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They can still receive the – they still receive the treatment.
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Like, for example, men paying for first dates, doing all that gentlemanly kind of stuff.
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But if I'm looking at the chessboard, the landscape, the hellscape of dating, I have a bird's eye view of what's going on.
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I can point to that and be like, that's not fair.
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Women aren't holding up their end of the deal.
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Now, of course, men do – there's a term in video games called meta, most effective tactics available.
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And reality is whether the woman is the most traditional woman in the world or the biggest whore in the world, the most effective tactics available for men in terms of getting said woman, regardless of who she is, is actually chivalrous.
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So even feminist women, even sex workers, even non-ladies, it is still most effective to be trad as a man in terms of paying for dates, opening the car door, doing all these chivalrous behaviors, etc., etc.
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Well, let me answer her question before I get to you.
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No, that doesn't have anything to do with type.
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The lady would be the commensurate to whatever – well, excuse me, not commensurate.
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So gentlemen would be showing some degree of chivalry.
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A lady would be a woman who, let's see, takes on – look, and I believe being traditional to degrees of spectrum.
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I don't think it's either you're fully trad or you're not.
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But more trad – to be a lady, you're more trad than not trad, right?
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So, for example, like a woman who's not a virgin, can she be a lady?
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But, like, the ultimate manifestation of a lady might be she has, like, traditional value set, she's virgin, she's not promiscuous, she's modest, et cetera, et cetera.
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And what would not be a lady is a woman who's a stripper, is a woman who does romance scams on men, is a woman who posts nude content online, is a woman who fucks men on camera, is a woman who sells her pussy, is a woman who is a prostitute, is a woman who posts her butthole and other – whatever – on the internet.
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That's getting into the realm of sex work.
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To you, though, not every single man is going to view it like that, but that's your personal preference.
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Yeah, I'm just, like, making – I'm just stating that.
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Like, that's your personal preference on how you date.
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Not every single man is going to view a lady the same.
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So if we wanted to say what is a lady, we would say one who typifies feminine virtue, and what is a gentleman would be one who typifies male virtue.
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What I deem a gentleman, though, could be completely different to what you deem a gentleman.
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In my eyes, like, y'all could be considered not gentlemen just as I couldn't be a lady.
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But it doesn't necessarily mean that's the truth.
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So the idea is, like, if somebody's not being very gentlemanly towards you, chances are pretty good you're not being very ladylike towards them.
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Or they don't see you as being ladylike and therefore not worthy of gentlemanness.
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You don't see them as being very worthy of being ladylike, right, because of the virtue attraction.
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So if we're talking, for instance, in traditional American society coming over from what was going on in Western Europe, chivalry was like an old medieval concept, right?
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And the idea was like, oh, my lady, I'll give you this kerchief, you know, and win this duel for you so I can win your hand.
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That way they can – and this was all romance shit.
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And there's a whole story behind it, but it doesn't matter.
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The idea here is, like, you're not going to see women put their jacket on the ground so that a man can walk through the puddle without getting his feet wet, right?
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So that's the idea of gentlemanly-like behavior versus ladylike behavior.
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So when it comes to a relationship, is there a person who first shows the chivalry or being ladylike?
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This is a great question, and the answer to this is actually simple.
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So people's personality traits are often typified in their presentation, right?
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So while it's correct, you could have, like, a pretty lady situation where you have a prostitute who's dressed in a flower dress and you don't know anything about her.
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You could assume that, you know, she's a lady or she's worthy of gentlemanliness or this or that.
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The other hand, if they show up wearing fishnet stockings and a low-cut dress, you may instantly make the assumption, ah, probably not very ladylike, not going to be very gentlemanly towards them, right?
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So it seems like virtues tend to present themselves in behavior and in aesthetics.
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And second thing, just – sorry, I just got so distracted.
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Do you do traditional – like, do you do boy-girl content?
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Okay, so is it plausible or possible that you could go on a date with a guy and earlier on in the day you were being fucked by another man?
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You've only done boy-girl content with your current boyfriend?
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No, with, like, boyfriends, like, partners that I've been really close – I have done collaborations with, like –
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Well, you've done collaborations with guys who did not become your boyfriend or were not your boyfriend.
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Okay, so for those collaborations, the next day, did you go on a date with a guy?
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Okay, you shoot with a guy, and then the next day you go on a date with a completely separate civilian man.
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Okay, but you realize it could – like, that could possibly be true.
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It definitely is true, and I respect other content creators and, like, what they do with their bodies, but that's just not how I roll pretty much.
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Right, but so – and that's only one example I'm giving, but for example, I mean, would you agree with me that – do you think – let's say a sex worker goes on a date with a man, and then earlier in that day – let's say she's a porn star.
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She had a gang ping with, like, 10 dudes, and she goes on a date with, like, this civilian guy who's, like, a bus driver and not a sex worker.
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Do you think that that bus driver guy should pay for her?
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I think he definitely should understand exactly what he's doing by dating a sex worker, like, by, like, opening up to, like, that possibility pretty much.
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Well, he should – look, if you're a man who's inclined –
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If you're a man who's inclined to date a sex worker –
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If you're a man who's inclined to date a sex worker and she's disclosed what the deal is, I mean, you can't really complain about the situation.
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However, again, if we're doing a bird's-eye view looking down at the chessboard, do you genuinely –
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Okay, so if there's an expectation on men to be trad, it would occur to me that there should be some expectation on women to also be trad in some way.
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So it's like if you just got stuffed by ten dudes earlier in the day, yeah, you don't deserve a man to pay for your dinner.
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If that's what he wants to do with his money, then that's what he is allowed to do with his money.
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I understand that these men, even though women are the least deserving of chivalry than at any other point in human history, I understand there's plenty of men.
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Do you think women are more deserving of chivalry now than they were a hundred years ago?
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Right now in this table, we have gathered less than 0.1% of the population.
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You know, it's women that are sex workers, and again, I'm not going after you ladies, but they're 0.1% of the population, yet men are the primary consumption of pornography and the work that they do.
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In fact, the majority of men are the ones that consume what it is that they do.
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So you can't say, then, that we are at a point in time that women deserve the least amount of chivalry.
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But I don't see how that, you pointing, that's a great red herring.
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I don't see how that would relate, though, to my point.
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Well, because women that have done sex work have always existed throughout history, and they have always been a small percentage of the population, just like we are doing so right now, Brian.
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So if you recall, my argument wasn't exclusively related to sex workers.
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It was also with, like, population-wide promiscuity.
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Do you think women are more promiscuous now in 2026 than they were in the 1940s?
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We don't have, because we don't have studies on that.
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We don't have studies or statistics on that, and I don't like to.
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Okay, so if it's the case that people were having lots and lots, as much unprotected sex then as they are now, right?
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And it's the case that abortion is universally outlawed, which it was, then how come we saw the rate of single motherhood so much less than we do now?
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Well, because, unfortunately, and this is another reason why I'm here, the government has incentivized by many ways to divide the nuclear family.
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If it's the case that women were just as promiscuous then as now but did not have birth control, and we still saw way less single motherhood, wouldn't that stand to reason logically that they were way less promiscuous then than now?
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So we've tracked, for example, like they'll ask questions like, what is the number of premarital sexual partners you've had, for example?
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Do you think that number has declined or increased since the 1950s?
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So women are more promiscuous today than they were 60, 70, 80.
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So now you're saying that at this point in history, all women should be treated.
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I didn't say all women should be precluded from traditional treatment.
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Like, you don't want to actually be good faith.
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I can repeat to you exactly what you said and what I heard was that we are in a point
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in history where you believe that women deserve the least amount of chivalry.
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I don't know if that's precisely what I said, but that is the essence.
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Okay, and I don't agree with that because I think that most women are virtuous.
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I think most women aren't represented in this particular demographic in that they have
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more traditional values and that they decide to have less sexual partners.
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I think that there's a small percentage of women that do have a lot more sexual partners.
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And so if we average it out, then yes, on average now, women have more sexual partners.
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The average woman has more sexual partners than the average woman did 50, 60, 70, 80 years
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In fact, most men that are even married watch pornography, and so it really disincentives...
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It's the most widely consumed female porn.
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So you think Andrew Wilson, who goes to an Orthodox church, you think he surrounds himself
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With women of lower virtue than the women you surround yourself with?
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You think going to church makes you more surrounded by virtuous women?
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If you go towards a church that has more traditional values, yes.
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That's a great supposition to have, and if you have it, that's great.
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Well, do you think women in church are more virtuous, or do you think women...
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I think that women that are intelligent...
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Self-sufficient, that they are loyal, that they are compassionate, that they are generous,
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that they are caretaking, right, or nurturing, that they are intelligent, that they...
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Okay, I can grant, perhaps, loyalty as not being a trait like intelligence, maybe that's
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Chastity, sexual discipline is what I like to call it.
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Chastity is a traditional female virtue, right?
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Yeah, well, chastity means very little to no sex, right?
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That's right, very little to no sex until when.
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I understand, but is it a traditional female virtue?
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For you, it is, sexual discipline is the word for me, because I think women can...
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Do you think a person or an adult, let's say...
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Sexual discipline implies that you're not going to be chaste.
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You're just going to have less sexual partners...
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...than somebody who has many more than you do.
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Let's say a woman gets married a virgin, and for whatever reason gets divorced, the husband
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So, they separate, and do you believe that as a result of her having lost her chastity,
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she can be sexually disciplined in the future going forward?
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In this case, she's still following the virtue of chastity.
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So, the idea here, when you're equating chastity with virginity, that is...
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The virtue, the virtue of chastity is that you're trying to only retain any type of sexual
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Woman is no longer fucking following the virtue of chastity.
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The question here, though, comes down to the idea of what is a virtuous woman?
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And if you say a virtuous woman is one who's chaste, it's 1,000% the case that in modern
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year, compared to 1930, they are not, they do not have that virtue of chastity, most women.
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What percentage of women get married as virgins?
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Yeah, by logical and firmament, it's not possible.
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They also don't get married at the same age, right?
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What's the obsession with virginity and a woman's virginity?
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Let's talk about statistics and the fact, at what age back in the day did women used to
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So, would you say, then, that that has something to do with the fact that women that are now
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getting married at an older age, because they are waiting for the right person, or they're
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Whichever reason of those that is, do you think that that also has to do with why they
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Why would it be a necessary entailment that because women wait until they're older to get
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Why would it be a necessary entailment that because a woman waits until she's older to
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Why would it be a logical entailment that because a woman waits...
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Because, well, human nature and human biology, which...
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If you would have not gotten married or would have found the person...
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I would have been the worst degenerate on planet Earth.
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It wouldn't matter if I was going to go out every single night to blow off of a hooker's fucking
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ass and then fucking go get into a gangbang the next morning.
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Why is it a necessary entailment that women got a fuck before they get married because they
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So, if that's the case, all you're saying is that women are less chaste than they used
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And then you're giving an excuse that they are because they're waiting about nine more
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You really seem upset at the fact that women have to engage in relations.
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Why are you so upset that women can engage in sexual relations before marriage?
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So, it's not immoral to engage in sex before marriage?
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I think that it's good to wait before marriage.
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Well, ask people that do wait until marriage and how long it is that they stay married.
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But again, that's a very small percentage of the population.
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They ought wait until they're married on average.
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So, you can't tell me right now that it's not good for women to not engage in sex before
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So, I'm sorry to bring this up because I know it is a sensitive subject.
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What would that have to do with anything I'm saying?
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I'm saying she has virtue despite the fact that she has been married before.
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Is it good for women to not have sex before marriage?
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I think that it depends on the individual.
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So, then you would prescribe for some women that they fuck before they get married, then?
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So, then some individuals you would prescribe that they have sex before marriage.
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I think that most people are in a relationship for a year to two years before tying the knot.
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And it is unrealistic in today's standards to go without having any kind of relations before doing that.
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I think that sexual compatibility is important.
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Would you prescribe that women fuck before they get married?
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I prescribe that they should verify that they have sexual chemistry.
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And whether that leads them to find that out...
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...in one way or another, I don't know what it is.
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What would you consider the best way for them to find that out?
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How would you say that that's probably the most likely way for them to discover that they're compatible?
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How did you find out that you had sexual compatibility with your wife?
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Literally anything that you ask me from an anecdotal perspective, regardless of how I answer it, has no bearing on the argument.
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If I literally grabbed some woman next to me right now, threw her up on the table, and just started fucking railing her in front of all of you, how the fuck would that have anything to do with my question?
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How would it have a fucking thing to do with my question?
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Because you're trying to say that being chaste is the ultimate value, right?
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You had relations with your wife before getting married.
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Would you prescribe that women fuck before they get married the guy that they're going to be with?
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Well, I personally wanted to wait until marriage, definitely.
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But I would prescribe for at least some people that they should have sex before they marry the person they're going to marry.
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Would you calm down so I can at least finish the sentence?
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It's like, what I'm asking specifically is if you would at least recommend to some people it would be good for you to have sex before you marry this person.
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I don't recommend any kind of sexual acts between other couples ever.
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So then the idea here is when you're talking about ideas like chastity and you're talking about ideas like virtues, those virtues are prescriptions of ought.
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So when I'm asking you about your oughts and you say, I would never make an ought, I don't even understand now what is virtuous.
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I believe that women ought to be sexually disciplined for their own sake, as in to maintain healthy.
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To maintain healthy, to not have multiple sexual partners.
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Let me ask you a question on sexual discipline.
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Would you categorize the following as a woman who has sexual discipline?
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Prior to marriage, let's say a lot of women get married in their late 20s, let's say a woman had one monogamous boyfriend per year up until the age of marriage, starting, say, at 17.
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So let's say she's had sex with 14 men, but they were all within the confines of a long-term relationship, monogamous relationship, each lasting one year.
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To me, I think that that is poor initial vetting of the people that they're with.
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But I mean, I don't understand, but that would be sexual discipline, would it not?
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I think that the poor sexual discipline stems from the main problem, which is poor assessing of people's character and who it is that they pick to be in a relationship with.
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But to come back to the original point that you made with Ivy is that if a woman who just got gangbanged by 10 guys, who has semen all up in her, you know, no condom, whatever, goes on a date with a man, right?
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And then she said, oh, but that's his choice to go on the date with her.
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Are you going to tell him, well, I banged 10 guys today.
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Do you think that man wanted to go on the date with you because you'd banged 10 men?
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And I do want to bring it back to, I guess, the original point here.
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So what specifically, I mean, I want to direct it at you, but I feel like maybe you guys want to weigh in too.
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Why should men be chivalrous for women who are, I mean, look, I think widely people would perceive this, but I'll just say from my own perspective, non-deserving.
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Well, I think if a guy knows what he's signing up for, for the girl that is like a sex worker or whatnot in the industry, I think that it's kind of his choice to be chivalrous.
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Because I think he knows what he's signing up for.
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But why the expectation then from women who are sex workers?
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But women, but their position, her position is that despite me not holding up any of my own tradition, like any sort of traditional thing, I still want the man to uphold his because it benefits me.
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I don't think it's right for the expectation to be there, but I think if the guy is knowing what he's signing up for with the girl that he's choosing to take on a date, that he's kind of signing up to hold that, to be chivalrous.
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I'd like to add that I think that women in general, just by virtue of being a feminine woman, should receive chivalry from men, regardless of her job.
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Not just because she has a vagina, but like the way that we carry ourselves, our natural attributes, what we bring to the table in a relationship with a man.
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Do all women, but do all women reach that threshold?
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I think what would disqualify a woman from not receiving chivalry is disrespect, right?
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Is she disrespecting him or herself, society, right?
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So is it disrespectful to show up on a first date with another man's seed?
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But I also wouldn't schedule a date back to back with.
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So, to 99% of men, the thought of, I understand that there are some cucks out there, for 99% of men, the thought of the girl he's going on a date with, or the girl he's going to be in a relationship with, or the girl he's going to be intimate with, the thought that she's being sexually active with another man, yeah, that is disrespectful and disgusting to that man.
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I think it's important to be, like, transparent about your sex life, to provide people that choice.
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So, like, I think it is important to say, yeah, I, like, as much as they don't want to hear it, you open up that opportunity for them to say, yes, I want to move forward with this.
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Would you, if a guy wanted to go 50-50 on the date, would you be okay with that?
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I have been in the past, but I just feel like, you know, I have different standards now.
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And as much as people think that I have lower standards just because of what I do, I don't.
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Like, it doesn't matter what they say, because I know that I don't.
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I think that a lot of sex workers actually have higher standards for dating because of the treatment that we get from society or social media.
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Yeah, but you don't deserve it is what I'm trying to get at here.
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Look, regardless, I think I didn't answer this question.
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So, women who are sex workers, women who are not ladies, women who are promiscuous, women who are not feminine, whatever it is, everybody is deserving of respect.
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I'm not saying that sex workers or promiscuous women or women who are poly or whatever it is, I'm not saying that you should walk up to her and smack her in the face and call her a bitch.
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You should always treat people with respect regardless of their job, profession, whatever, career.
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However, what we're talking about is something very specific, and that's dating dynamics.
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There is an expectation on men to be chivalrous, et cetera, et cetera, be all trad.
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And it's interesting to me that you, I guess, here's my question.
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That kind of comment is the point of the loneliness.
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It's you because even as the conservative woman here, you're not actually willing to step up and be like, you know what, men need to be better, but you're actually, you're actually.
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But my position is certain women don't deserve chivalry.
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You just said the reason that there's a male loneliness epidemic is because men don't want to pay for dates with little whores.
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That's why all women don't deserve chivalry.
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I'll bet you 500 bucks I didn't say that's why women don't deserve chivalry.
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That's why all women don't deserve chivalry.
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I said, why does any woman deserve chivalry?
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No, that's a completely different statement than no women deserve chivalry.
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Why do women deserve chivalry is a different statement than that's why women do not deserve chivalry.
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Okay, so that's the way that you meant it as a question.
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We can say that I've answered questions in the positive as in, okay, so why do all women deserve chivalry?
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Why does any woman deserve chivalry was my question.
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I said right after, I said right after that, that is the kind of comment that is driving
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So, can you hand the trolls, the Thorps, out of the fucking chat for me?
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Andrew doesn't even think his wife deserves chivalry.
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That's why he made her take a paternity test.
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Anyway, so again, you're being really bad faith.
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He was asking, why do women deserve chivalry?
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It seems like you're taking the affirmative position that even women who got gangbanged
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the morning of the date should have their date paid for.
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But so we're asking why, okay, I guess I'll ask the question like this.
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It's okay for people in society to say men should.
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So if there's a car barreling down the road, he gets fucking smashed on the pavement and
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Even if it's a first date, men should open car doors.
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What are we allowed to say women should do?
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Women should provide affection, a listening ear.
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When we're talking about chivalry, men to women.
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Because I pre-vet people before I even go on a first date.
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It's usually first date and then relationship because we've been talking.
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Because I want to not waste that person's time and money.
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They paid for it because we agreed on that beforehand.
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You don't just assume that you're dating like a conservative guy?
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So when you were 18, you're like, hey, by the way, buddy, you're going to pay for the
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In fact, those are one of the things that you talk about.
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And if I have a verbal conversation on the phone and they say, I can't wait to treat you out
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to dinner, that is a verbal confirmation that the person wants to treat me to dinner.
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So I know, we both know, both consenting parties know how it is going to go.
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And if he doesn't believe in that, then we don't go on the date and I don't waste his
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But so of all the first dates you've been on, which you say is seven, in each instance,
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So my, you responded when I was saying chivalry flows men to women.
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If in your own experience, men always paid for you on the first date.
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And my, my argument here is, well, chivalry, an example of chivalry, chivalry, excuse me,
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would be men paying for first dates, but you've never paid for a first date or even gone 50,
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You've been dating a guy for two years and you bought him a birthday present.
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But you're, you chose to contend with my point that I was making, which is chivalry flows
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What would be the, what for you, what would be the equivalent word that defines chivalry as
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I've taken women out on dates where I pay for everything.
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This is a general expectation which came from the various ideals of not just chivalry.
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But also the, essentially the idea that women were a valued commodity, right?
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But all of those became a shared ethos which led to chivalry.
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The women and children still get the lifeboats.
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So the question becomes, what is the equivalent of that in general society that men have the expectation to get from women?
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I think that there is the value added of being by their side because men, no, no.
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Men have women to impress other men very often.
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And so if you have a woman that is next to you, that is intelligent, that can have a conversation and a debate, then it raises your value as a man.
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In comparison to having somebody that can't do that.
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The thing is, is like all of these things, though, are shared.
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There's also women who get men and want them as arm candy so that they can show them off.
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There's also women who want men who look like studs.
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Okay, but what is the proportional comparison to that?
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However, the idea here is it's not a shared, generalized value like it is for men.
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The women and children get the lifeboats where everything is your, that you're talking, hang on.
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I'm going to, I'm going, I'm going to grant it.
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I'm actually going to grant all of this, that yes, men invented it.
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We just grabbed a chisel and we were like, men, give lifeboats.
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Can you give me anything that's the equivalent of that from the female side?
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Well, women are the ones that are responsible for destroying their bodies and bringing life.
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How many men paid for first dates that you didn't give children to?
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And you think I should give a man a child for paying for my meal, Brian?
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So if the idea here is men should be chivalrous and chivalrous is expected up front immediately,
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ergo on the first date, men should do that because at some vague nebulous point down
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the road, I might give birth to this man's child.
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However, that argument doesn't really make sense.
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Absent in all instances in which you've gone on the first date with somebody, if you didn't
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bear them children, then that argument doesn't hold any weight in any way.
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The reason I went on first dates wasn't to, the reason I went on first dates isn't because
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of the fact that they, to see if they're chivalrous, it's to see if we have chemistry
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after the fact that we've talked about whether our values are the same, whether our futures
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The reason that this argument doesn't hold weight is because it's an equal curse anyway.
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Going back to the idea of Adam and Eve, Eve had to give childbirth, but men had to toil.
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Women have to deal with the bodily toil of...
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The top dangerous jobs on planet earth are held by which sex?
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I want to hear what we get that's fucking unique.
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I don't think your own mother would be happy to hear that question come out of your mouth.
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to say what it is that women give to you that is unique.
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We can reproduce women with just our bone marrow.
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You always need male genetic material no matter what.
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Look, I don't like the argument that men don't need women.
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Does that lead to good children to not have a man?
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And we can perhaps one day make an artificial womb.
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I don't like the argument that men don't need women and women don't need men.
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So why would a woman want to have kids with you?
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I don't know why you're being like passive aggressive and insulting Andrew.
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What, can you name a thing which is equivalent that generally men would receive that's the equivalent of the women, children, lifeboats?
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Okay, so women are the primary people that are in health care, right?
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So if you go to the doctor, you're probably going to be seen by a nurse first.
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What I get is that there are vaguely women in health care.
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What I get from the barista is that there's vaguely women in health care.
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The biggest problem, too, I think, that we're kind of running into is, like you have said,
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we're setting a lot of standards for men, but we aren't setting standards for women.
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And I think a lot of these things of chivalry and of, as well, for women, virtue, these should
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be personal standards we have just for ourselves.
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You know, we don't need to have the other sex in them.
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But it is frustrating for men if, you know, we are expecting so much of them and open every
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door and do all of these things, but how are you going to be able to provide for them?
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And men do want to be able to be provided in that sense.
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So then that translates now into, you know, sexuality, whether they want essentially customized
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pornography of you or they want all of these different things, you know, and women say,
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But ultimately, that's not the utmost which we should be providing.
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He had said that the ultimate career is motherhood and everything else supports that.
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So you had said that women sacrifice their bodies and destroy their bodies from childbirth,
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Giving birth to children will make you healthier.
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It's just a good thing to do, generally speaking.
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But, I mean, if we're looking in the reality and the statistics, that is true.
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Yeah, women ain't dying in childbirth much anymore.
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They have diastasis recti, and they have their bodies reshaped.
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And the only way to put it back together is with surgery.
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Well, this is some great antinatalist propaganda.
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A conservative woman is, this is literally antinatalist propaganda reporting as a conservative political commentator.
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Most women have diastasis recti after childbirth.
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Do they need to get surgically put together after?
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And then, even if you work out and do all the bounce back stuff, they won't come back together unless you have surgery.
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But does that, do most of these women need to have surgery?
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Well, for a man like you, if they looked the way they looked like after childbirth without any kind of help being put back together, I don't think you would be attracted to them.
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Do they need to have surgery to get put back together or not?
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No, they can live their lives perfectly comfortably without it.
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And by the way, while it's the case, and I already gave you the counter to this, while it's the case that I would even grant that childbirth can be destructive on women's bodies, especially when they get older.
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Which is why you should get married younger, but men destroy their bodies at work, toiling also, so who cares?
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Do you think Brian is destroying his body on a laptop right now?
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I'm just saying men should have an option to work.
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Yeah, it's bad for the body to be sitting.
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What I'm saying is you have an option in career.
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And you're 32 without children, so what the fuck are you talking about?
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I have an option to do that, just like you have an option to have a podcast, and I support that decision.
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But you see the equivalency of the argument is to say, even though, yes, it's true, most men toil.
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And it's like, okay, I can see the argument, but you're in the same position.
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While it's true that maybe most women with children X happens to, I can point to you and say it doesn't happen to you.
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Well, if you're going to make an argument, you should make the argument based on what it is that we're discussing, not the individuals.
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Which is a sacrifice that women make for men.
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Well, the men are making the equal sacrifice socially and societally when they have the top, most horrific jobs, toil, and die in them.
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Yeah, so the idea here is like that's not a unique...
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No, no, you ask what it is that women do, and I'm telling you.
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That's not a unique proposition like the lifeboats, though.
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What are we getting, or the draft, or things like this, what are we getting in exchange for those things, right?
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No, I want you to ask me, to tell me what it is that you want.
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I want you to tell, I want you to make an argument for what's equivalent.
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Out of a woman, for you being a chivalrous man.
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I want you to make an argument against my argument.
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And it is that men bond through vasopressin versus women bond through oxytocin.
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So men actually become more attractive to women when they are doing things for women.
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When they are having a purpose, when they are adding value to their life.
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Scientifically speaking, they are happier when they do.
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I'm asking you, is it men's purpose to serve women?
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I think it's men's purpose to have a good family and a life.
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Okay, but it sounds like the best way that they can do that is by being a gentleman.
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It's to serve women because that ups a chemical in their body, right?
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It's by being useful to women because, yes, it makes them productive members of society.
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So again, my question, so I answered your question.
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So really the best, hang on, I just want to clarify this real quick.
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So really the best way for men to serve society is to serve women.
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Is to serve their community and women are a part of it.
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Yeah, but serving the women particularly is what releases the chemical, right?
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Is that the case that it's the chemical release that is assisting them in all other things that they're doing?
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So primarily by serving women, that would release that chemical.
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If they want to be happy and productive members of society.
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So if they want to be happy and productive members of society, men serve women.
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Correct, and so since I answered your question, why don't you answer mine, which is what do you want to get out of women in exchange for you being a gentleman, right?
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Yeah, so you're talking about a preference now in generality societally wide, right?
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Yeah, so I would add, are you asking me as an individual or are you asking me what I would prescribe societally wise?
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No, you as an individual, what do you want and expect out of a woman for you being a chivalent?
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Yeah, well, my personal preferences for women would have nothing to do at all with the argument, but I would give you, yeah, I'll give you the gen, I'll give you what I would generally would prescribe.
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I think it would be a much wiser idea prescriptively from the government top down to begin running any type of propaganda possible for women.
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For women to move into marriages younger rather than older, and the reason why that's a good thing is because it negates a lot of that damage to the body, it negates a lot of these fucking problems where women are, now we're under the threshold for having our own kids.
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You're a conservative, you don't like mass migration, women got to have more kids.
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Otherwise, yeah, they're going to have to have more kids.
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What do you want out of a woman in exchange for you being a gentleman?
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Oh, no, I'm not going to be a gentleman to any woman.
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I'm not going to be a gentleman to any woman at all, ever, yeah, no.
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I'll be nice to women, and I'll be polite to them like I am men, but I'm not going to do anything fucking extra for women.
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If you're a best guy friend, what would you tell them that, hey, you should want your woman to give you this in exchange for you being a gentleman and giving them that?
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Oh, well, then you would want deep religious convictions, submissiveness, and virtues.
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So what is unique to a woman that you want in return for being a gentleman?
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You mean what uniquely can a woman give for that?
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Okay, you said something unique that a woman can give you.
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Women can give feminine virtue, which is unique.
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Virgin child would be chastity, virtue, child.
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You clearly are not answering my question or understanding it.
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I think you understand my question, but you can't answer it.
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I think you're in your feminine energy because you're asking women for something.
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You're in your feminine energy because you're asking women for something in return for being
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a proper gentleman and just having the role in society that you should have and that vasopressin
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Why don't we even grant that Andrew is in his feminine energy because he's wanting something
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I literally just told you if I was going to make a societal-wide prescription-
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My personal preferences have nothing to do with the virtues.
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Men are in a unique position where they can ask from women what they want.
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The main thing that women can do, they can do, is they can be chaste, give children,
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That is a unique thing while men work that they can do in the tender years that they're necessary
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That's all you want out of a woman is them giving you children.
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And chastity, yes, which is a feminine virtue.
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Well, all I'm asking for is actually just this.
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I think that women could make the great case for chivalry if it was the case that they
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Then I think they could make the case, male virtue, we want some sort of privilege, which
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is what you used to have that you argue against, like no debt, things like that.
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But the idea now that if you say women are not to move towards the idea of virtue, but
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just some sort of like compromise of sexual discipline or something like this, I don't
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think that they are in any position to ask for the lifeboat situation or any sort of chivalry
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So I started this whole conversation on, you know, men do this for women because they
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My personal preferences have nothing to do with the arguments.
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Do you agree that men are asking less of women?
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Let's say that I woke up tomorrow and I went out and I just like fucking beat a guy to death
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And then the next day in court, I went out and I made an announcement and I said, you
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Beating somebody to death with a hammer is bad.
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What would me actually having beat the person to death with the hammer have to do with me
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then saying that beating them to death with the hammer was bad?
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I would still be correct whether or not I engaged in the beating of him to death with the hammer,
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And that's called hypocrisy, which is why you get called out on it and look bad as a result.
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That is actually the definition of hypocrisy to beat a man with a hammer and the next day
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I say that it is bad to hit people with a hammer.
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So if my 11-year-old comes to me and says, dad, should I smoke?
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You're non-verbally expressing that they should.
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So if I tell a 10-year-old, do not drink and drive, I'm a hypocrite, right?
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Well, whether or not I would do it again, would the guy who beat the guy to death with a hammer
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But the example you set previous to that was you smoking.
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It's you smoking that makes it a continuous thing that you do.
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And telling your child not to, that is hypocritical.
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If I am, what right do I have to tell my 10-year-old that they can't continuously drive?
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What right do I then have to tell my 10-year-old they can't drive a car?
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Because you have a logical explanation, which is you can't drive a car because you can't
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drive a car until you're 16 because it's the law.
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So as long as there's a law, you're not a hypocrite.
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So isn't there a law that you can't smoke until you're 18?
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Isn't there a law you can't smoke until you're 21?
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Isn't there a law you can't smoke until you're 21?
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So then therefore, by that same logic, me telling a kid not to smoke, I still wouldn't
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We actually are going to do a seat change because-
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So we're going to put you on the other side of the table.
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You two will switch seats because I don't want Andrew's neck fucking cranked to the entire
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And specifically a username that's Chair 8 Blonde.
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I think just important to note in this conversation, we talked a lot about, you know, what's going
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And again, it seems like an argument between men and women, but the biggest emphasis on it
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You know, that's the growing generation that's going to be what is most impactful.
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Actually, before the show, she wanted to be on that side because it's her side.
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But regardless, having the emphasis on having a good society, the emphasis should be on
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Now, this is turning the wheels a little bit because I've never been at a table with this
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many people who work in the, I guess you could say, adult film industry.
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So I've had quite a few friends who have done everything from OnlyFans to stripping to
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And every time I have seen it, I have always seen it as a form of self-harm.
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It's something that happens in early childhood.
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There's some form of molestation, of assault that leads to then women doing sex work.
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We're not going to fucking talk about that.
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I think that's just generalizing a very complicated issue.
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Would you be okay with the girls that are at the table that do work
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in the industry, like, just by raising of hands?
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If you have had some kind of sexual inappropriateness in the past,
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Well, I don't even think you're saying it's only that word.
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I think you're saying, in general, some kind of harm happened to them.
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I'm not interested in having the sex work bad debate.
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Because you don't classify yourself as a feminist, right?
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But you want traditional marriage without, like...
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Without automatically being a traditional woman without...
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If having a career makes me a non-traditional woman,
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That's why we're driving women more to the left.
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while at the same time being able to be mothers
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It's the married women who are voting Republican.
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So anyway, if you're asking about liberal Democrat women,
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is because of higher education rates in university.
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That's why most women lean more progressive than men do.
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They understand how systems work better generally.
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They don't have the same university indoctrination
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and vote towards their husband's politics.
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You can't force a religion upon a person, right?
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It's not a traditional marriage without religion.
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Okay, so a lot of people would disagree with you.
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what would make a non-religious marriage traditional?
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that then why not just get married for the show
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and not do the legal paperwork signing afterwards?
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You want legal marriage through the state,
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and basically said that men need to serve women,
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your whole TPUSA, Femcon thing was exposed.
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Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
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but we actually print on premium quality stuff.
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10,000 labiaplasties a year in the United States.
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Anyways, so if you guys can't catch the full shows,
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Pull up the thing in the stream yard for the discord.
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Behind the scenes, hate mail, research, studies,
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than what we see in the general population for chivalry,
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Men are expected to run in the burning buildings,
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that women want to have those additional privileges,
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if they want to have men continue in those roles,
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then women need to take a back seat on authority.
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I'm sure you would love to take away my right to vote.
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that you want to see men continue in those functions.
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that you don't want to see men continue in those functions,
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I think they want to continue in those functions themselves.
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If you're in a long-term committed relationship
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It's like you could associate it maybe with running down
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basically deferring to herself instead of to him.
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So selfish or not thinking of the other person.
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a synonym would be more like pain in the ass.
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You're against them for a multitude of reasons.
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there is a higher risk for abuse or manipulation.
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And I have seen them negatively be affected by them.
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who are in age gap relationships get a divorce?
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Well, no, she says that she absolutely adores him
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and he says the same thing and they have kids together
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and they seem happy, should they get a divorce?
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Then I wouldn't recommend a divorce if they're happy.
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Then age gaps themselves are not the problem then.
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just because of all of the reasons I listed earlier
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of like the older person having a power imbalance.
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into believing, okay, I'm this perfect like partner
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that's going to, you know, do all of these things for you.
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And then in the end, there may be like not paying
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You're trying to make sure that you're staying home.
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But can't that happen in an age similar relationship?
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My mother immigrated here with my father at 18, pregnant with me.
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My mother, it wasn't until my mother started speaking
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Those things could manifest themselves in an equal age relationship.
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Well, they're also, that's also culturally informed.
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Yeah, not only very common, but so are incestuous relationships, right?
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The thing is, is like the idea of having the cultural information,
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Don't you think that here in the United States,
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there's a huge distinction between, oh, they're 16, 17, 18 in Iran
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because that's part of how they keep legacies together
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with their first cousins or whatever and various things like this.
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And I live in the United States and can freely choose who I'm with
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and I have very different cultural information.
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17-year-olds get married, 18-year-olds get married.
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I personally know a 19-year-old that got married to a 53-year-old.
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And they were constantly boasting their age gap relationship
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And she ended up getting verbally and emotionally abused.
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But let's say they didn't end up getting divorced.
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But let's say they didn't end up getting divorced
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Would you have an issue with it, with the age gap itself?
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So your issue's not with age gaps, it's with power imbalances.
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Yes and no, because there's still that maturity level
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So anytime I ask you what's the actual issue with the age gap,
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you point to things that have nothing to do with the age gap itself.
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where the power was not imbalanced from your view,
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Well, but even then, you could have like a 30-year-old shut-in guy
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who's traveled with her parents all over the world.
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Then the experience seems equally yoked or similarly yoked.
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because her prefrontal cortex has not fully developed.
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but I would think that it would be to a detriment
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or inappropriate for an 18-year-old to get married
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Because again, there's not just life experience,
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Yeah, but do you see like the conflation you're doing here?
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An 18-year-old, let's say she gets married to a 31-year-old guy.
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I mean, I would say they both deserve the right to vote.
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but she can vote against him, which nullifies his vote.
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Yeah, so how is she informed enough to do that?
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and voting for a society are two different things.
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and that would be voting for societal issues, right?
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Being in a relationship, this is only two people.
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But now you're letting an 18-year-old vote in my interest,
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You guys aren't coming together as a unit, though.
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is like if you can vote against my interests, right,
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then we're considering you the same type of adult that I am.
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It's like, are they adults or are they not adults?
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And if they come across a man that's not a predator,
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There's real predators that target minors.
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They are being in non-consensual relationships.
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Because I know that I have more power within the dynamic because of his youth, because of
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his inexperience, because of the maturity levels.
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I could have easily taken advantage of him and said okay well this is going to be how the
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I want you to change this about yourself and that about yourself and he would have done
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so because he wanted me so badly because I'm older.
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But a 20 year old can be in a consensual relationship with a 30 year old.
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They can be in a consensual relationship but what I'm trying to say.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, I believe that
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a vanilla age gap relationship, say like a 20 year old dating a 30 year old, there's
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way less power dynamics going on than like a 30 year old dating a 30 year old in a fucking
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An age gap vanilla relationship is going to have way less of power plays than in the fucking
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dominatrix, your whole, your whole, stop, your whole relationship structure.
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Your whole, stop, your whole relationship structure is a complete power play where you
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I understand it's consensual but you'd have to agree that an age gap relationship are
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So your argument, I mean it's just completely ridiculous.
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What my point is, the point I keep trying to make is, is that there is a natural power
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imbalance and that the older person within the relationship, regardless if it's vanilla
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or a kinky, there can be manipulation, there can be the change.
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Also, I want to add, I do not have kinky relationships with every relationship that I have.
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But you do, you are a dominatrix and you do degradation and you do all this shit.
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However, here's my position on some of this kink stuff.
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Now I think some kink stuff is, you might say that this, this is kink shaming.
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You might say that, you know, well, it's all within the confines of consensual relationships,
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I think some of these people who have this proclivity to certain kinks, I think some of
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So when you talk about consent, that kind of goes out the window.
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Like for example, a man who wants his balls to be like smashed, that I believe is a mental
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illness and I don't think consent can exist when somebody wants that degree of self-harm.
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So I think you're being sadistic, not just in a kinky way, but in a almost, I think it
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Uh, I, I think that's a crazy power dynamic and you hold all the cards when you're the
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And so this idea that men can consent to having their balls crushed, I think that that's mental
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She's not manipulating them to get their balls kicked.
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Would this go into the realm of criminality?
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If a woman consensually asks me to stab her in the pussy, is that me taking, hold on.
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You have to say, kick me in the pussy then.
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Where with a high heel, you'll crush a man's balls.
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So I believe this is getting into the realm of harm.
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And so basically, do you think a woman could consent to me stabbing her in the vagina?
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And you should have medical background to do it in a proper place.
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And if she really, really, really wants to do that, then you need to figure out exactly
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It would be really great if I could actually get a word.
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It's about to be a doctor to say it's not safe to stab a woman in the vagina.
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For some people, receiving pain isn't even necessarily about the pain, right?
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It's about relinquishing control and having relief in that, in relinquishing that control
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And some people can actually transmute pain into pleasure.
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So, even if we're talking about a guy getting his ball smashed, he might be getting off
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I would say for about three and a half, four years.
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Um, I would say my profession and my education.
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So, if we're assuming that I have the same amount of education at 26.
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So, if you have the right to consent to that relationship, why wouldn't another 26-year-old?
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I never said that people aren't able to consent to age gap relationships.
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I'm just saying that I find them to be inappropriate for the older person to enter into an age gap
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Right now, then, if there's a 21-year-old dominatrix who's a friend of yours, are there any?
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And they have a 45-year-old client who wants to be on the other end of that relationship.
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What makes that consent fine, but her consent to date him not fine?
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Because when we're coming into a romantic relationship, it has a lot more emotional connections.
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And it has a longer, hopefully, a long-term relationship versus maybe a, and it's not professional, right?
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So, like, if I'm a professional 21-year-old and I have a 45-year-old submissive, right?
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So, now you're smart enough at 21 to make a determination about professionalism?
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It's following guidelines that are professional.
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There is no comparison between a relationship, like, a romantic relationship and a, yeah,
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But the fact that you think that it's, that you're emotionally mature enough to make the
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decision to take on a 50-year-old client as a dominatrix at 21 years old, you're informed
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and have enough life experience and are smart enough to do that, but are somehow not smart
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enough to date a man of the same age bracket, that, to me, is fucking bizarre.
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It doesn't mean that you're not smart enough to date that man.
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It means that you don't want to date that man that's a client.
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And then if you take interest in an older man and you fall in love with an older man,
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You're not getting, you're not reaching all of these different needs.
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If you're 21 and you can accept a consent to a dominator, can you, at 21, consent to sleep with a 50-year-old man?
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Can you consent as a prostitute to have sex with him?
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Consent as a prostitute to have sex with them?
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So if they're, so the woman can consent to sleep with him, the woman can consent to sleep with him for money,
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But would you be against that same woman who you would say should not date this man at that age bracket sleeping with him for money?
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I like age gap relationships, but I see the, but I see all of the implications with them.
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Okay, well then back here, at 21 years old, should a 21-year-old prostitute accept a 50-year-old John?
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Of course, so they're experienced enough to do that, but not date the same 50-year-old.
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Well, the thing is, it's interesting, is like, when we're talking about this dynamic, we're not talking about the action itself of doing this.
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We're talking about whether or not this woman is informed enough as an adult to make the decision in the first place to do this.
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And my argument is, if she's not experienced enough to do this, right, or if she is experienced enough to do this, then she should be experienced enough to date whoever the fuck she wants.
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So then you interjected on this, not me towards you.
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She was saying they're too young and not educated enough to consent to an older man coming on to them or not, and older men.
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Yeah, the reason people have always, older men have always dated younger women, and to this day is still true, is that, like, statistically, 36 is the right age for a man to start getting married.
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Because they're starting to make more money, like, more money than they've made before, and they're also, like, consistent and have the experience and are smart and strong, and that's, like, their peak to start making.
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But, yes, they worked really hard to be 36 and have all this stuff, and now they want what they want.
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And they're able to take care of a woman who can be young and be fertile and have these children for them because they've worked really hard to get these things.
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And as a woman, I'm impressed by a man that has both those things, money and experience.
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And then I also think, like, if a man is, if you're consenting, what about guys with vasectomies?
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Oh, okay, I get that, but I'm just saying for traditionally what people want and why they're doing what they're doing to get that money, I think now what I'm trying to bring it back to women is women who don't have education and don't have resources to go and educate themselves.
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The majority of the world is mostly poor, okay, and uneducated.
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Do you think they don't deserve to have a nice life with a man that takes care of them so that they don't have to double down and work hard or expose themselves to other dangers?
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Shouldn't they be allowed to have the choice of a good man that wants to take care of them?
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So just really quick, let me get a check from the whole panel here.
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Show of hands, who's against age gap relationships?
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I'd say he's like three or four years younger than me.
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So you're basically saying that the problem with age gap relationships,
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one of them is emotional clarity and emotional maturity, right?
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So you guys believe in post-nut syndrome, right?
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So I would venture to say that a large portion of the men that are receiving services that
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are extreme, extreme services from people like dominatrixes and et cetera are usually experiencing
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a form of different chemicals in their brains and different, in their brain and different
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Emotional confusion where it's like, they're not thinking 1000% clearly.
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So how are we not conflating the two where it's like, okay, we, if this one is abusing
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the emotional clarity of one person, how is this one not abusing the emotional clarity
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Well, they made the decisions to do those like crazy things before they were feeling all those
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That was all negotiated way before the scene or built up to that.
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Even if they're like, this is my goal to get my, my nuts that penetrated.
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So like they haven't had that nut from that thing yet.
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The power of the male brain with the nut is absolutely insane.
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And like just the thought of something happening a week, two weeks, three weeks out will absolutely
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cloud a man's judgment just because they know that they're going to get this specific satisfaction
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So the thing with kink too, and especially like even getting your balls kicked, doesn't
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I've had a client that loved getting his balls kicked and he did not.
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So this has, most of them don't orgasm during our sessions.
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Wait, absent orgasm or absent climax, can people receive sexual stimulation or absent
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But your argument is if they don't orgasm, ergo, they.
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I'm just saying that kink is not inherently sexual.
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You literally, the words that came out of this.
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Because you can have a kink scene without, sorry.
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The words that came out of both of your mouths is, when I do this particular kink, the men
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I'm just saying it has nothing to do with, I'm confused with the post-nut clarity.
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She's just saying that men who have not climaxed have different hormones raging in their brain,
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which can cause them to make decisions they would not make if it was the case that those
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same hormones are not raging in their brain after sex.
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So she's just saying, how's it not taking advantage of them if it's the case they may make different
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decisions if they didn't have those chemicals raging?
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Like, shouldn't they have to jerk off or something first before they agree to the contract?
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They're usually messaging with us while we go over this.
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While we go over this negotiation, they're usually messaging with us, talking to us.
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And generally, they are fucking jerking off.
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Should a 40-year-old be allowed to purchase 18-year-olds of content?
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That's their choice as long as they're providing content.
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Watching online content has nothing to do with building a life with someone.
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And for the woman who's actually against the age gap relationships for you, what would you prefer to see for an 18-year-old woman?
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For her to, in her sexual empowerment, to be a sex worker and the men who are procuring her services, say they are in their 30s or 40s or 50s, or for her to be in a loving, monogamous relationship with a man who's 10 or 15 years older than her?
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I think that the sex worker would be in a less predatory situation, but I don't necessarily believe that all 18-year-olds should be sex workers.
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Well, I know, but that question is kind of unfair to my ideology and what I believe.
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Okay, well, let me rephrase it a different way.
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Let's say that you had a best friend that you grew up with, and she hits 18, and she's told you her whole life all she wants to do is be a stay-at-home mom.
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The second she can, she's done with high school.
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And she's like, she's coming to you for advice, and she sits down with you, and she's like, look, I've looked around, and all the guys who are around my same age, they're all fucking fuckboys.
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They're just out there having sex with everyone.
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They don't have any jobs, really, and they have no real prospects, but Chuck, Chuck over there is 31, and he's handsome.
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And he wants a wife, and he wants to give me my babies, and he's going to take care of me forever, right?
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Would you advise her to, A, fuck your dream, hook up with the fuckboys, right?
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You should probably marry Chuck if that's what your dream is.
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I wouldn't advise her to play with the fuckboys.
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I don't think that's going to bring her any kind of joy or happiness, but I wouldn't be encouraging her to get married right away either.
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I would advise, if she was my friend, I would advise her, like, date this man for at least a couple years before you get engaged.
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So, you would advise her to date the much older man, yeah?
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But, again, back to my, like, the original reason I am against age gap relationships isn't necessarily in the power, laying the choice and the power of the younger person.
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I believe it's the responsibility of the older person to not date somebody inappropriately younger than I am.
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So, if you're giving her the advice to date him, right, then you're basically ceding to the fact that the reason she wants to is because he's more powerful, more wise, has more money, is more established, is all of those things that she's looking for in order to have a family at that young of an age.
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So, if you're advising her to do that, you're ceding that she needs to be in a dynamic where the more powerful guy has all the leverage in order to achieve what she wants.
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If I actually had a choice in the matter, I would advise her to just wait.
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You're going to crush your best friend's dreams.
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In the local area, let's say the local area, it's like population 6,000.
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My older men and my more mature, kind ones were the ones that ended up being closer to me.
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Big urban, a big sprawling urban population somewhere.
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Okay, huge, massive fucking city, San Diego.
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So, the thing is, it's like, if you're talking about population 7,000.
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You can also leave your town and not just settle.
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True, but perhaps you have other responsibilities in your town.
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Perhaps mom is sick, or perhaps you don't want to move away from your family.
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Yeah, isn't she a loser for wanting those?
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Is she some kind of piece of shit for wanting that?
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And if she marries this guy and starts having the babies, what the fuck did she do wrong?
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I think she's at a higher risk of being taken advantage of or manipulated or abused.
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That is my main argument with age gap relationships.
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This to me feels backwards, because it would seem to me that if she was out partying with the fuckboys,
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her chances of getting S-A'd, her chances of getting-
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I'm not arguing for her to go fuck the fuckboys.
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If she's dating people around her own age, and they're fuckboys, because most people,
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Are you saying right now that most men in their 18 to 20s are not playing the field a bit?
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They're playing the field, but I'm not going to categorize 18 to 25-year-olds.
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It's fuckboys, because there's plenty of people that age.
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I- we're going to do a- like a- not an intermission, but I ordered pizza, so I'm going to give
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pizza to the guests, and what I'm going to do, though, for this is we're going to do- lower
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the TTS, so you guys, while everybody's eating, you know, you guys can send in some roasts
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It's going to go back up after the pizza break.
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I also want to just, you know, let a lot of people recharge a little bit, have a bit of
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Miss leave- miss who is leaving the table?
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Uh, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, well, sorry, no, we're on my bed.
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Andrew, if you want to take it away for, for a little moment while I get that.
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Wait, can I respond to a comment that popped up on the TV?
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Okay, so, um, my only other thing to you is, um, about the age gap is if men were only
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attracted to older, financially stable, educated women, how many people would be on this earth?
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And then second of all, who would buy your OnlyFans if that was their requirement for
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Okay, again, I'm not advocating for men to, like, marry older women or something like that.
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It's, again, my main gripe with age gap relationships is when an older person, regardless of their
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gender, dates somebody, you know, 15 years plus younger than them.
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Um, that's my, that's my, like, gripe with it because there is a natural power imbalance and
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that, and when you get into, like, a marriage, um, there can be a lot of abuse, both mentally,
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I'm on, I've been on Reddit for, like, over 15 years.
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No, but Reddit has a lot of different subreddits, right?
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Yeah, and they're mostly full of fucking crazy lunatics who make shit up.
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No, there's actually a lot of, a varied amount of people.
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There's red pill people, there's liberal people, there's, like, nobody right there.
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And there's people making shit up all the time.
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Okay, and a lot of those, and a lot of the made-up stories get called out in the comments
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because you can kind of, there's tells that you can find when there's made-up stories.
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I think I, we would all, like, love your point more if your point also included sex workers.
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It's, like, Redditor 1846 who's, like, hey, age gap relationships are bad.
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If a woman is 21 and she's a sex worker, she could consent to having a 50-year-old client.
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But we're not talking about a romantic relationship.
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I'm talking about age gap relationships with romance.
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A sexual and or romantic relationship, they're still being chivalrous to you.
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You're still, you're exposing your body to them.
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You are putting yourself into a, no, you are put, I'm not saying romantic.
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What I'm trying to say is you are, regardless, still putting yourself into a vulnerable position
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It doesn't matter that you're a sex worker.
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That man is still taking advantage of you under these guidelines of age.
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Nuh-uh, there's special sex worker pixie dust that they sprinkle on a 22-year-old.
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It just doesn't mean you're better than anyone else.
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They're like, here's some sex worker pixie dust.
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The interaction and the complication of that relationship is going from this, zero, there's
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like so little complication in a professional interaction like that, which in some cases
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is zero interaction because they're just buying a video online.
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So that's not affecting you other than your wallet.
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Being in a real relationship affects you every single person.
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So they're coming back to the 21 and 45-year-old.
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Well, her argument is at 22 if you're a prostitute, there's not, hang on, there's not sex worker
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pixie dust that's just sprinkled on you that suddenly makes you super competent in even
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having chosen to be a sex worker to begin with.
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How can you be competent enough to choose what man's penis gets to enter you for money, but
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you're not competent to change on, but you're not competent enough to choose which one can
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It's crazy to trust a man that you just met over a man that you've been dating for a long
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We don't trust them, and we get that, but you guys keep going.
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And it's also a relationship that turned around and fucked my life up.
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I also want to clarify, because when we're talking about the 21-year-old sex worker and
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the 45-year-old man, are we talking about a dom?
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We're just talking about a guy who's paying a chick money to sleep with her.
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Or are we talking about a professional, a prostitute?
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Because those are all very different things.
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Okay, so the hooker is having, what, one sexual experience with this 45-year-old man, and
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She has routine sexual experiences with it, because he really likes it.
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Okay, so we're talking about a regular client, or he's a random man that you should not
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That's spending at least, what, maybe two hours max with her?
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If you're a provider, you are in control of that scenario with that older man, you are
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So that control and balance gets completely swapped.
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The argument is not whether or not this 45-year-old, you're seeing him less than if you were dating
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How do I assume that you have the capacity to let a 45-year-old man come and give you
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hundreds of dollars to fuck you, but I don't think you have the capacity to choose to date
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That is mind-bogglingly fucking crazy to me.
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You have the capacity to choose to date him.
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Again, I'm going to repeat myself, for the fifth time, it is in the responsibility of
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the older person, regardless of their gender, to not date somebody inappropriately younger
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You keep putting the power back and the choice back into the younger person.
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But I don't think that it's up to the younger person to be like, oh, am I immature enough
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Is there anything wrong with that 45-year-old man fucking that 22-year-old?
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Are you talking about professionally or not professionally?
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Do you think there's any emotional connection even between that?
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She may not be at that professional level to be making that choice.
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So we're back to magical hooker pixie dust.
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We just keep on going back to magical hooker pixie dust.
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And that might cause some shit to go down.
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I think you can have boundaries in your sex work.
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When you caveat it and say, there could be something wrong with it.
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I'm always willing to take the caveat that some age gap relationships are going to be bad.
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I just want that caveat to extend to all relationships.
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So there's nothing inherently about the age gap that's bad.
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No, because there are certain things that I do agree with her point.
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And whether or not it ends up panning out well for us is another story.
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I do also want to add that as a femdom, if you're a 21-year-old femdom, it's not like
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It's something that you do have to educate yourself on.
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Otherwise, you are potentially putting someone in danger.
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But isn't it the case that that would be the same thing with dating?
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And experience over time is going to lead you to making better choices.
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Which is exactly why I'm against age gap relationships.
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But the thing is, it's like a 30-year-old man can have as little dating experience as a
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So, you know, like to me, it's so silly because you're not actually saying there's a
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You just look at other contributing factors which could be present in any relationship
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and then pointing to it as though in an age gap, that's assured.
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What thing is assured in an age gap no matter what that would not be...
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What would be assured in an age gap no matter what that would not be assured by people
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who, you know, are the same exact age, in fact, who are dating?
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What would be a thing where this person's 15 years older, so it's 100% certain that it
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will be this way that will not be present in a same age relationship?
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Neither of those things are assured in an age gap relationship, are they?
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You naturally have more negative and positive life experiences as an older person that you
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It's like, you cannot assure me that in an age gap relationship, those factors will not
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be there any more than you can assure me they will be there in a same age relationship.
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So it's always pointing to, if these factors are there, it's bad.
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But if they're there for same age, it's also bad, right?
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All right, let's maybe involve some other people here.
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And only one chat came through, so it looks like.
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These girls want to have their cake and eat it too.
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Freedom to sell sex slash vote slash et cetera.
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But force men away from younger women unruined by sex work and feminism.
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Based Raw Diet Girl helping out with the Chloe chimped out.
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So we have Based Raw Diet Girl helping out.
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Here we have some super chats I'm going to pull up.
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So who wants to, you know what, Kayla Void, let me have you read for us.
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The word gender comes from the Latin to determine by type, specifically those that can give birth
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The word woman is simply a, what does that say?
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For an adult female, it has nothing to do with identity.
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I am 35 years old, and I match with a girl on Tinder that is 21 and has a three-year-old kid.
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So I shouldn't date this woman because of this 14-year age gap.
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She can raise a child, but forming a relationship that would be good for it is bad.
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And we do have, I'll let this one come through as the final one.
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Notice the quiet and respectful one is the only happily married woman at the table.
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If any trickle in within the next two or three minutes, we will get it.
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She's been on her phone for the past 30 minutes.
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Even though, altogether, you're too good to be at the table.
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You kept saying Andrew is coming from a religious standpoint.
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Is it because you're proud of your clean divorce?
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He unfortunately passed away before I left the organization to focus on messaging to Latino
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And so it was an area I really wanted to focus my efforts on.
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And I don't argue from a religious standpoint because there are people that are listening
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that aren't religious, and I'm trying to make my point using logic, and you can't do that
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if, you know, you are coming from a religious perspective and the other person isn't.
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And no, I don't believe I'm too good to be here.
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I am very happy to be here and to have the opportunity to be here with the rest of the
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girls, and I do hope that I get invited back, like promised.
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I'll give you props for that because I've been a little sassy tonight, so good for you.
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So, no, but I think, you know, all frustrations, albeit minor aside, I think you and Andrew
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would actually have a really interesting debate.
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You know, I stayed pretty quiet on this last bit because, you know, I don't disagree.
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I think age gap relationships are fine for the most part unless they're too wide.
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And I, you know, I'm here, too, because I think the timing lined up so great.
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I was in California these last two days for work.
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Whoa, Nathan, Nathan, why did you press that, Nathan?
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She's in the middle of this really important disclosure to us.
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I think it's the most geographically blessed state in the country.
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And then out of that, maybe South Florida, too, has similar surroundings.
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I heard you say you do outreach to, like, Latino voters.
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That's why he was able to legally apply for a visa to come to this country, and he has
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never been back since because he considers himself a political refugee.
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Do you feel like you have any roots to Cuba or not really?
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Aside from, like, the culture, heritage, but...
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Well, I grew up in a city called Hialeah, which is a city...
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Yes, which is inside of Miami-Dade County, and it's the city with the highest amount
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So I basically grew up in Cuba with freedom and have always lived in Miami-Dade County,
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I wouldn't leave, but this is a good spot to visit.
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Well, I don't know if this following question will apply to you, but this is a question
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Okay, this question would not apply to you, then.
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Their parents were immigrated here, born in another country.
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Only because I've been there multiple times throughout my childhood.
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And then, I don't know if you have any affinity towards Israel because you are Jewish.
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This is a hypothetical question I like to pose somewhat related to this topic.
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Let me pull up the precise wording here because I don't want to mess it up.
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So, in a morally neutral, and this is going to be directed just to, I think, two or three
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In a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict between the U.S. and the country of
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your parents' origin, or perhaps to a country in which you have some degree of affinity to,
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where neither side is right or wrong, to which country is your allegiance?
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So, in your case, if the United States were to go to war with Israel, under the hypothetical
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scenario that I described, would you feel allegiance to Israel or to the United States?
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So, it's a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict.
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If it was completely morally neutral, I would stand with the United States.
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United States and Lebanon are in a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict.
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Chair 2, please describe the dating scene in NM since you're repping the Z symbol on your
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Most of the people that I know in New Mexico usually date from middle school to pretty much
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My grandparents have been together since middle school.
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A lot of my friends got together in middle school that I see getting married now, and
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And then, Justin, I do see this, and I don't know if you recall it since I was late on your
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There should always be a power imbalance in a healthy traditional relationship, the woman
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submitting to the man as the leader, regardless of any gap in ages.
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Well, I'm going to try to get some other people involved here, but there's quite a few notes.
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I'm going to try to blast through all of it here pretty quick.
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Although, for you, I do want to, wait, is it for you, or is it for, no, it's Mars.
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Your pronouns are she, her, it on your Instagram.
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It's kind of like a, I'm kind of an it, you know, it's like, I'm a weirdo, like weird
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little thing, you know, it's like, I, I act a little, uh, wilder than your average human.
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I've always been not in just like a sexual way.
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Um, I've always been kind of a freak, you know, so it kind of falls under that category
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of like, cause I am a bit of like a freak in nature.
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Uh, so you, you write that you're neurodivergent and you're living very alternatively.
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So you would say most of your relationship stories are unique as you became a professional
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You said you like turning men into your, your words, my little bitches.
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Um, so what, can you be, I guess, precise?
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What, what does that look like to turn a man into your little bitch?
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Well, yeah, that would mean that they're my sub and I am their mistress and technically
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unless, unless they're not into the degradation thing, I wouldn't call them my little bitch,
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but most of them are into degradation and they do come to me so that they can become my little
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I was going to ask, what are some of the ways, but I looked at your website and on your website,
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I'll read some and if you want to amend or add anything, we'll do that.
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You said your minimum session time is one hour for a tribute of $450.
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The suggested session time is 90 minutes for a tribute of $650.
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The type of kinks that you offer are electric play, spitting, SPH.
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So what we were talking about before, uh, public domination, cash meets drop-offs, financial
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domination, online domination, strap-on play, waxing, manscaping, toilet, toilet play.
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I, I don't use my stream deck, my, my thing much anymore, but I think this is appropriate.
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I'm also sending an asteroid for good measure.
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In fact, here's just another missile just to fucking top things off.
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Fucking hat trick with, uh, okay, so, wow, that's, fuck, that's, okay, um, impact play.
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Can you just really quickly impact play, like, just punching, hitting?
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Well, I mean, I'll, like, punch their ass, like, it's a form of, like, uh, less stingy,
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more, you know, sometimes they like a blunt force.
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Um, but I, impact play is just that, like, physical domination with, you can use toys or your hands,
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Humiliation, you do humiliation, degradation, you do pegging, domestic servitude, so that's, like,
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basically the guy just, like, does chores, cleans your house.
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Yeah, they get the little maid outfit and everything.
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Uh, foot and boot worship, you do feminization, sissification, so you turn the guy into a sissy.
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Uh, fantasy role play, corporal punishment, bondage, temperature, sensory play, so you, like,
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I have a candle company where I make my own all-natural.
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So, scent play is based off of the person's attraction to your natural scent, or it could
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I could be playing, doing scent play with a variety of essential oils or just something
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But, yeah, scent play generally is, like, my armpits, my feet, my ass.
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And then, uh, and then, the final thing on the list is cucking.
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Okay, so I just wanted to give some, uh, some explanation there, um, in terms, does that
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fairly represent, and you do that in relationships, too, not just, do the.
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Yeah, all these things I did within my relationship.
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Like, let's say you're dating a guy, but he's not a client.
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Do you do, do you engage in that dynamic in your, like, genuine romantic relationships?
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I, I, when I'm dating a guy, I love a guy who can switch.
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I wouldn't necessarily date, uh, I would not date a full submissive.
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I will see them professionally, but I won't date a full submissive.
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For me to date you, it needs to be provable that you are able to dominate me, but that
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Is the ideal dynamic for you, uh, for a romantic relationship, not just your clients, he's the
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Now, here's where all of this gets a bit confusing.
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You wrote in your message to us, one of your disagreements with me or the show, you write,
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I disagree, well, you disagree with the type of shit that you, me, think that women should
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I mean, we already sort of, like, were talking about this when it came to chivalry and.
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Well, but now it's getting into my expectations.
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Uh, so what do you disagree about in terms of what I want?
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Well, I said that I couldn't get super specific about it because I just, it was just kind of
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based off of things I've heard on the show via little clips and I truly don't remember
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But if we want to get into some things, we can, yeah.
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Uh, so my expectation is, um, I want a woman, well, one of my expectations, the first time
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a girl comes over to my, uh, not quite yet.
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Well, in just a sec, in just a sec, uh, I want a woman, the first time she comes over
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I might be down for that to be honest, but you're not, I'm wait, I'm not propositioning
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I'm explaining what my, I know I'm giving you an example of like, Oh, I'm not saying you
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I'm saying if someone wanted me to come to their, yeah, if a guy in some guy that did
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Well, I mean, so, I mean, in term you're asking what the woman gets out of it.
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Is that your question or what am I bringing?
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I mean, I'm not just going to bow into your fucking laundry.
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So like, what are, what is the, that's what I would say to a woman I'm interested in dating,
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but, uh, is this like open to everybody to comment on?
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We all have different definitions of nice, I would say.
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Well, I would say ultimately, um, so wait, your question is what, what am I doing to deserve
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You're asking what, I mean, I think you're kind of getting at like, Oh, would I be willing
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What do I think about bowing and doing your laundry the first time?
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Um, I don't think too much of it to be honest, but, and I might be down to do something like
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I need to, I need to be, I need to want to do it.
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So I don't need, I shouldn't even have to explain it to a woman.
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Well, why, why should men pay for first dates?
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You asked me on a date and I'm going to get all ready and cute for you.
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And knowing that you're probably going to be going to want to be a little intimate with
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We are so happy with going home to our vibrators or that wasn't my argument, this idea that
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sex is an equal value exchange, just cause you're watching all of our, why are men paying
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If we are the ones that get to get it, it's not an equal exchange or else we would be paying
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Um, and honestly, I think actually women, uh, I mean, it depends exactly what we're the
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Like it's, I don't, I don't think there's, it's an equal value exchange to be honest.
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Yeah, but if I have it the same way, I totally did this idea that women are like dislike sex.
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That's a weird, like, I assume you're sex positive.
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That's a really weird take for somebody who's sex positive.
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You're not understanding what I'm saying at all.
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I actually believe like different things out of sex and we value it.
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Uh, in one example, even if it's purely an emotional, but if it's purely physical, then
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You guys just struggle to follow along with what I'm actually trying to communicate here.
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So I believe, for example, uh, are you going to say that, well, you know, uh, women climax
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That would actually be a good argument in your favor.
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I don't think it's a good, in her favor or my favor?
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I think that's a biological, I don't think that women, however, however, uh, while that's
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I'm about to say that, uh, women, women complain about women can be, women can never, hello.
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Like some, like some women, I'm not saying all women have this experience.
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Women can come like 10 times, 20 times, 30 times without even having sex.
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So, but what I'm saying is it would be like in some instances, like, and I've had this
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experience with women I've dated, they can come like 30 times in a row and I get my one.
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And it's like, uh, it seems like she's actually deriving more physical pleasure.
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She's probably like, uh, enjoying it more, I guess not to say that I'm not enjoying it,
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but like, I feel like if you're a multi-orgasmic woman, uh, sex is actually just on a purely
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physical level, actually more enjoyable for some women.
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And in addition to this, uh, multi-orgasm in men is like exceedingly rare.
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And the thing that's more enjoyable for women, I feel like is linked to like more,
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It's linked to that like emotional connection is where we get so much of that pleasure from.
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And also you're saying right now, I feel like that the orgasm is the most pleasurable part
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But if you want to continue, yeah, but we're counting orgasms and you're saying, oh, well,
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women have all these orgasms, which also I can only have one to two max.
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Then you'd be on equal footing to men, but it's equal in number of orgasms.
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Well, I mean, I would argue, I mean, I would argue even a woman, I mean, look, it's, how
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do you know without having the experience of being a woman, I guess.
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But I do think that even for women who can basically just orgasm once, even that one,
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I don't know, probably still different type of work.
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I've also had bad sex and had a bad time and been like, fuck this shit.
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So just because I had that orgasm, just to like make it like a little better for me, doesn't
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mean that I got what he got out of that experience.
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Men can have that same experience where it's like, all right, I'm just, all right, I'm going
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So do you think the guy would know if you faked?
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So how would you know if a guy's been disappointed in his sexual experience with you?
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Because of the way that they react and then return back to my DMs or my text messages.
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The way that they say, oh my God, this was the best blah, blah ever.
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Like they're not going to like over, they're not going to pretend like they loved it when
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I'm going to bring it back on the, on the rails here though.
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So you disagreed with the type of shit that, uh, I think women should do for men early
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One of those things is I would like a woman to, uh, first time she comes over to my house,
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Are you going to like make her like a nice meal?
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If she likes you, but she doesn't even know she likes you yet.
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Does she like, I mean, has that ever happened for you?
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Isn't that video AI though that you, would you?
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So can I finally chime into the conversation here?
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Uh, I think that, uh, men don't value women higher the more women does for them, especially
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initially in a relationship because the way psychologically that works is not, oh, she's
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It's, I'm so great that she's doing all of this for me.
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And long term, that doesn't actually work out long term.
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Well, that's why, again, you said maybe that has happened to you, for you in the past.
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And I don't know if you actually seriously dated those girls afterwards or were in a relationship
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But this is just broadly speaking studies that the more, the more men, uh, the more women
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do for men, especially initially in a relationship, uh, the less the man just values her.
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So maybe, so maybe that isn't the case for you.
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Well, help me, help me out here because making the declaration that studies say, right?
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If I said, no, studies say the opposite, it would be rational and reasonable for you to say which
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Pretty much anybody that is in the dating world understands like this to be the case.
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I think it's a way of women to devalue themselves.
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Yeah, I don't even know what I'm, what's the point of you've been talking?
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I would personally, I would personally feel, I would personally feel insulted if somebody
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asked me something like that and I would just not pursue that relationship.
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Did she do an actual study, a scientific study?
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As in women actually doing things for men and then just a man not committing to her?
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No, but you cited to Sadia Khan, who my understanding is she has not done any scientific studies.
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No, she has clients and she's one of the most prolific dating coaches.
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I would say, so, so then couldn't Andrew cite to Brian Atlas?
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Well, Brian has a, one of the most popular and prolific dating clients that have successful
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I can point to the equivalent of male, uh, dating coaches mentor men that then did I say
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That's kind of what I do, but actually, actually, it is working for myself.
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Well, that wasn't my argument above the age of average, but is your, is your, is your profession
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So you reference, so you're referencing other dating coaches.
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So then if I reference a male dating coach, we're on the same equivalent to playing field
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then has any, one of the ones you followed said that it's a good idea for a
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woman to go to a guy's house and do their laundry for them.
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Several, several inside of the red pill man.
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You could do, you could talk to Michael Sartain.
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You could talk to, they say it's a good idea for women to come over to a guy's house the
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If they want, if they want, if they, if they want, if they want to impress him.
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But my question to you is you said there's studies.
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I wish I had a laptop and phone with me, but that's a rule not to have it.
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I can, I, I don't, I don't have that kind of bandwidth.
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I'm saying that broadly, this is the known, the known.
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Base that if you do this for men, one, you're degrading.
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If I take that back and come back with studies another time or when I get my phone, then we
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Yes, but I'm not a, I don't have a super memory and I don't have a laptop or my phone in front
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So it'd be easier to do that if I had that to back it up.
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But we can, we can even explore this absent studies.
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So do you think that, uh, in terms of a woman, uh, creating, uh, developing the affinity,
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the male affinity towards her, you think it'll be harmful for her to be helpful to him to,
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So if a woman cooks for a man, that's, if that's going to make him like her less.
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If it's the first time she's over at his house, yes.
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I personally am very domestic with my boyfriend.
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Had you not, uh, had you, I'm assuming you didn't do those things quite early on.
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Do you think he would have been like, had you done those things though?
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I know you don't, you wouldn't have done them, but had you done them, do you, do you think
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he would have been like, the fuck is wrong with her?
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Or do you think he would have the same affinity?
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So if he brought home a woman that instantly gets to cleaning up the house and cooking everything
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for him, he'd probably think that there was something wrong with that person.
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So it's interesting that you talk about free labor.
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To the point that, in fact, I think you disclosed, you make sure you get the affirmative
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certainty prior to going on the date that they will pay.
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Because it's a way of checking their character.
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So how much did your boyfriend spend on the first date?
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How much do you think you can spend at an IHOP?
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It has to have been less than 40, less than 50 bucks or something, you know?
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He earns money and he basically gets donations.
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He has a base salary, but he also collects commission from donations that he brings in for his organization.
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So, again, I always keep my private life private.
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And so, you know, somebody like him is somebody I respect and look up to and...
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How is that material to the conversation at hand?
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Well, because, you know, he's a man that I have to look up to the person that I'm dating, right?
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Because of their intelligence, because of how they live their lives and if they...
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I want to get back to the actual conversation at hand.
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I thought you were asking me about my dating life.
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The qualities of your boyfriend are kind of irrelevant here.
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I'm curious why you brought up the fact that he receives donations.
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So, I'm assuming it's like perhaps a non-profit organization.
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I would assume the donations go to the organization, not into his pockets.
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I don't know how the fact that he receives donations is relevant to my question as to his income.
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If he's salaried or how much he earns the hour, that's why I answered.
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So, do you want to ballpark his yearly income, I guess?
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And he does very well for himself, but he earns every single cent.
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I know he's watching and I want to show him that I'm very proud of what he does.
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He would have been mad at your first date if you had gone to his house and you had put
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I think it's relevant that I am in a happy, healthy relationship and I want that for more
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I'm here to tell you guys what I think attracts a man that is high value and I think these
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are the qualities that makes a high value woman.
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So, he can come to me for advice, but when we're together, I do actually like cook.
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He has cooked breakfast items before, but I'm the better cook.
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Just because I can cook doesn't mean that he doesn't do it being nice.
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I sent him flowers, you know, even if it's not a holiday because most men don't get flowers
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I did buy my boyfriend a chainmail headpiece once.
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So how many dates would you say you guys went on before you finally started cooking and
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Yeah, I'd say it was, you know, after a few weeks of.
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So like how many, I'm not looking for an exact, but he took you on three dates, four dates,
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Um, when you actually like a person, you don't really quantify the date.
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You just try to spend as much time together as you can.
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And if you want to qualify that as a date, then you can.
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Um, and sometimes, you know, he comes over and I pay for the groceries and then cook the food.
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Um, well, probably not balanced, but, um, but did he, I don't like to quantify, I don't
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So I'm not counting the money I spend on him when I go grocery shopping.
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There's, there's a lot of extraneous sort of irrelevant, unnecessary.
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Like, don't be upset at me by the end of this, that we're going late because all this
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irrelevant, extraneous information has been presented that is not material to the conversation
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So before you started cooking, before you did any of that stuff, did he ever, I know your
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Um, for Christmas, we went to a really, really nice spot Christmas Eve, actually.
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So he has spent a pretty penny for Valentine's day.
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We went to the hard rock at the, the hard rock spa, um, in Florida in like the Fort Lauderdale
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You love to include irrelevant information.
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Well, I think people like, who gives a fuck where?
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Originally, when I was saying how I want a girl to do my laundry or come over and help
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Uh, and I, uh, ideally that should be just immediate up front.
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Uh, you said, well, that's, uh, what did you say?
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That's when did I, you are the expert in straw men's.
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So in any, why would you, why would you say thank you to that?
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So you're saying, you're trying to kind of invalidate my arguments by saying that everything
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Something that is irrelevant to the argument or the conversation.
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You've been debating for 12 years and you don't know like the number.
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You don't know the luteal phases or whatever the fuck.
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Are you saying I can't debate because I don't have the exact precise definition of a straw
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He's pointing out that it is the case, in fact, that when you're debating, fallacies
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are the most important aspect of what your opponent is saying or not saying.
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So to point out one example that I've done so far.
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How can you know if you haven't used a straw man argument if you don't know what it is?
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A straw man is when you take an opponent's position and then you reframe the position to
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What you did was you misrepresented his position and then made an argument against an argument he did
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Okay, so I said, so you said, Brian, you view things in a transactional way in an effort
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That's the weaker position trying to argue against.
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Well, so I was saying that, yes, when the first time a girl comes over, yes, I want her
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to, you know, cook and clean and do my laundry.
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And then your framing was, Brian, that's transactional because you're saying, if you pay for the dinner, then there's an expectation
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because you pay for the dinner that the woman should do that.
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So that would be the straw man because you're misrepresenting what I said.
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It's a misrepresentation to argue against a different position.
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So you're misrepresenting it to argue against why you don't like transactions, which is fine.
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You can argue against why you don't like transactions, but that has nothing to do with the position.
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But my argument is that even if you don't qualify it as a transactional relationship, it's factually is.
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If you feel like to continue a relationship with a person, you need to have this person come over and do free labor on the first time that they visit you.
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But you do realize that this would actually be an entailment of your own position.
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So if the position is men should pay on first dates, that requires them to labor, to have the resources to pay for the first date.
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Ergo, you're, oh my God, this is so ridiculous.
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No, it's actually the reason for it is if I'm looking for a husband and I want to have kids with them.
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If they can't afford a meal, then I'm not going to consider that man.
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The reason on the first date you want the man to pay for the first date is as demonstration that he can provide for you.
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The reason I want a woman to cook and clean early.
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Do you have like borderline personality disorder?
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But it's interesting that you can't follow the rules.
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I'm in the middle of a sentence and you've got to constantly interrupt.
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So what if my justification for what I want is not to be like a, you know, crack in the whip, like a slave master.
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It's actually a woman who's willing to do that early on is a demonstration to me that she's going to be a good girlfriend.
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She's going to be a good, you know, taking care of the household.
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That's something that I value in a relationship.
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Somebody done that for you and then you actually dated them afterwards.
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Or what kind of a background would a girl like that have?
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Just because you're a sorority girl Barbie.
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I'm a little bit more individualistic than that.
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Just because you believe being as, you should be as useless as possible to a man for as long as possible early on.
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You misrepresent the person's position to then use their argument against them.
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That would just be like an ad hom or an insult.
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You asked him to show his character right from the beginning.
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You were saying that you're not even going to go out on a day with a man.
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Y'all are attacking people's personalities to avoid the actual topic at hand.
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It doesn't even have to be attacking their personality, right?
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An insult can be a personal attack, but not an ad hom.
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An ad hom is when you're attacking them instead of the argument.
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So, if I were to say to a person, they said something like, you know, I don't know, the sun rises in the east.
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And I said, no, it doesn't because you're a stupid bitch.
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But if I said, you know, yeah, it does rise in the east.
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And that's true, but it only rises, you know, this, I contended with the argument somehow and then ended it with, and you're also a stupid bitch.
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So, the ad hom has to be, you're only attacking them and not the argument.
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But if you're attacking the argument and them at the same time, that's not an ad hominem.
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So, I was saying, you said you wouldn't even go out on a date with a man if he didn't say he was okay for the first date, which is totally fine.
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But you're already telling him, hey, show me your character from the first date.
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Why is it not okay for him to require to show you?
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Why is it not okay for him to require you to show him your character from the first date if you're requiring it from him?
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Yeah, because I am showing my character on the first date or the first visit home by, no, by not doing those certain things.
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So, it is my character to be kind and generous.
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But it is not my character to be somebody that just does things for no reason.
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You would agree that there are women who differ from you?
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So, just because it's not your framework, just because it's not the way you move, doesn't mean that other women can't move like this in an effective, and it wouldn't be less or more effective necessarily.
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For example, she said that she would be okay with going to your place and cleaning your house the first time she comes over.
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And she, no, I'm just saying, would you date her long-term and consider her for a long-term relationship, yes or no, and why?
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Well, I'm not going to go into a specific, but I would, so, wait, her specifically?
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And she says that she would go over to her place.
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What would that have to do with your argument, though?
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And she would go over to your place to clean, and so she has kind of similar values to you.
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So, would you consider her for a long-term relationship, yes or no, or why?
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Would I date a woman who comes over to my house the first time and folds my laundry?
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I'm curious as to what the background of those women are like.
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What else comes besides just doing your laundry on the first time that they come over?
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So, you think because you don't have an OnlyFans, you don't have to do his laundry?
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What kind of a woman do you date does that outside of doing just that?
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I personally don't know of any women in my circle.
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You're the first person that I know would do that.
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Do you think that women who would do that are lesser women to you?
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Do you think women who would do that are lesser women?
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I said lesser as in of the population, not that they are less than, to clarify.
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I think if that's what they want to do, they can do it.
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If that's going to be their character and personality, then so be it.
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Wait, that was not supposed to come in that way.
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Is this who you always were or what you became?
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Why wouldn't you want to show him off the rip that you're somebody that would want to
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clean for him, cook for him, take care of him, nurture him, have his children?
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If you show me your character and you show me that you're generous, I'll show you...
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I'm going to impress a man based on my accomplishments, on my intelligence, on...
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All the things that I've dated do care about that a lot, actually.
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Since you're holding back on all these things, what can he hold back on besides...
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Or maybe taking you to a more expensive day or gifts.
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So as soon as he takes you to Nobu, then you'll start doing all these things?
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I'm saying what you're saying when I do more things and I expect more things and no.
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But the ultimate, you know, I'm going to go full wife mode is when I have the wife title.
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And I think more women would get wiped up.
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Why would he want to wife you up if you're not going to act like a wife?
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Because why would he wife me up if I'm going to act...
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She can do all those things for herself that shows that she can do those things in their
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There's a logical reason for it, which is why would he wife me up if I'm already acting
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Why would he act like a husband and pay for your stuff if he's not a husband yet?
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Courting her with dinner isn't paying for stuff.
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If the idea is he's not going to wife me up because I'm acting like a wife doing the
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I haven't even asked the fucking question.
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You just don't have any decorum with your conversation.
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Even if it's the case, let's just assume that he's like, you're doing all this stuff.
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The case that you're making is, why would he wife me up when he already has a wife?
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But what would be his actual evidence that you would be doing all of these things for him
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if you're never doing any of these things for him?
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I'm just talking about over the case of the relationship even.
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I think within a year's time, you can know whether a person can cook, can clean, does
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cook, does clean, is honest, is loyal, but I'm not going to cook and clean every single
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day for him to prove that I am going to be a good wife.
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Do you cook and clean and all that for your boyfriend right now?
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I do that for myself because I'm a responsible adult.
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When you go over to his house, do you cook and clean anything?
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But why if this guy's a millionaire, why would he...
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She doesn't care for herself until they become a unit.
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Does nesting not typically scare a guy away, though, a lot of the time?
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Like kind of forcing yourself, I guess, into their environment too quickly almost?
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Like kind of welcoming yourself into like their personal duties a little too quickly?
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Would that not almost scare a guy away sometimes?
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I'm way more attracted to this woman because she does nothing that I want her to do.
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Oh, this woman is helping me and making my life easier and doing things for me.
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I mean, argue that she's just being fully insane.
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I just mean like imposing too quickly on personal duties in their household.
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Yeah, if you like go in and you're like, hey, I brought all my shit and I'm going up
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But like, hey, I'm going to make some dinner for us.
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And by the way, I did a little bit of laundry.
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It's like, oh, my God, you fucking insane.
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Well, get the fuck out of here, you crazy broad.
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I will say there's been a guy that I've dated that was like freaked out by that.
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And I realized like a couple of weeks in that he was just not a good guy.
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So it's just not the guys that you're that it's called women like me want to look for.
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They're describing the whole avoid an attachment style, which is once somebody tries to get
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closer to you, that actually freaks the person out.
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You're talking about moving something too quickly.
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I get the like, I'm just going to live here now after two weeks.
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But if you're talking about just going and doing basic things like, hey, I'll cook.
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That doesn't seem like you're moving that quickly.
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I would argue doing someone's laundry is very intimate, actually.
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But I think what you guys are forgetting here is this.
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Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
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I'm saying you seem like you have skid marks or something.
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I wouldn't want a man going through my crusty underwear.
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I know men that would be kind of embarrassed about it, too.
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And to be fair, since my boyfriend and I aren't living together, he does.
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I understand some men don't want that or they don't even care about it.
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Some men might even find it objectionable or they might even dislike it.
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You want to contend with you almost want to be like, Brian, you don't actually want that.
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And that's just ridiculous because I'm presenting to you.
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Like, how can I say, how can we have a productive conversation where I'm actually telling you, Brian, what do you like?
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And I say, oh, I like chocolate ice cream.
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I can accept it, but, well, I can publicly accept it.
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No, but personally, I don't believe that to be the case because you're, I don't know how old you are.
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Because you're not married and usually men at that age are married.
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No, she, she was married, divorced, now a man, but not married.
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Her position is I'm not married, therefore I'm wrong.
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It didn't, well, it didn't work with the guy you're with.
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For the same reasons, actually, funny enough, that we're talking about right now.
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It's, no, it's a lot, it's completely fallacious.
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Because there was no, you know, there was no cheating involved or anything like that.
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But there was a lot of imbalance in household activities and competency and, you know, can
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you do the household activities while we were two adults that were.
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And I feel like you might be a little autistic, okay?
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You might be a little bit, you know, social cues, but.
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Uh, I mean, I've dated men that, so my standard is as long as they're as tall as me or taller.
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And of all the men that you've dated, have they been as taller, as tall as you or taller?
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Whoa, that's, but it's not worked out with fucking any of them.
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It must mean that your stated preference is actually incorrect.
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And it actually, uh, it seems like it's counter to what you're actually, uh, pushing towards.
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This idea of like, oh, well, your stated preference must not actually be, uh, must not be accurate
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It's so, so what I'm talking about here is that this is a generally held position while
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And, you know, help or do their laundry on the first time that they come over is not
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Well, most men are happy to just get a little bit of pussy.
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I have a, uh, I, I want women to act and behave in a certain amount, a certain way.
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So perhaps this is unique to you as a woman to hear because you probably run over and bulldoze
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all the men you're with, but yeah, men do actually have standards talking about assumptions.
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Well, it seems like you're, you're combating this idea that men are allowed to have preferences,
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standards, and boundaries because men, men often, anytime a man says, I want this, here's
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my preference, here's my boundary, here's my standard.
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So, uh, a woman wants a dominant man preference.
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A woman, a man wants a submissive woman controlling predatory, blah, blah, blah.
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I think everybody should have their preferences.
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I'm just talking about this one single thing, which I find weird.
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You find it weird that that's great, but I'm not really hearing an actual argument.
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The argument is that the person would not value themselves highly to do that kind of
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So, so you think the, the women who I would date, who would be inclined to do this, they
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So are you more self-assured than those women?
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I said, are you more self-assured than those women?
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Than women that come over and do your laundry.
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Then women that wouldn't go and do that kind of thing.
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The blondie Femcom is making a very compelling case for being more unlikable than NSE.
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If it weren't for Andrew, this episode would be unwatchable BC of her.
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So that already decreases the U.S. population to the people that I actually...
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But even if I communicated to every single one and I wish that I did, then I would still
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never have anything close to what you average and views.
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But I think it's because we're having engaging conversations.
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I'm going to try to bring it back to the panel here in just a moment.
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Be willing to sacrifice his life for you, to protect you.
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On the first date, she wouldn't do their laundry.
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Now, there are no loopholes for other means of survival.
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Who should be, from your perspective, who should take or who should be given the life
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I'm the kind of person that they would probably off themselves before I tried to both of us
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Kate Winston and brought up Jack on top of the door kind of situation.
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There's like a drone observing a sinking boat and you have the live camera feed to it and
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Who would you judge more harshly for like taking the life jacket, the man or the woman?
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I'd drop the life jacket and let them choose their own.
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How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
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You would drop the non-existent life preserver that I didn't grant was on the drone?
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Would you remember the part where I said no loopholes?
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If they're both floating in the water and I have a drone to drop the lifeboat, I'm going
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None of that had anything to do with what he just said.
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Were your ears open when I explained the hypothetical?
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Like, is she not understanding the hypothetical?
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I think it might be easier if we did it in Spanish.
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I think knowing various languages actually levels up your...
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But what I understood, so maybe I did misunderstand, is I have a drone that's going to drop a lifeboat
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Well, because that's the first question, that's related to the first question you asked, is
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You're on an island, and you have a, you have a pirate, what is it called?
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And you have no means of intervening in this sinking ship.
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Just in the hypothetical, it's granted that only one person can survive.
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Who would you judge, I guess, more harshly, and it's a married couple.
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Who would you judge more harshly as a witness to this dilemma?
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I don't know because I wouldn't know their background situation.
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What if one of them has terminal cancer, and so it's better that, you know, the husband
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Are you just intentionally being like bad faith?
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I'm trying to cross the point that I believe men and women have equal value.
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How are you going to cross my point that I would sacrifice those?
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Actually, I think that that's fair within the confines of that.
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They're walking by a burning building, and you're on a CCTV camera.
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Who would you judge more harshly if there was kids screaming inside if they didn't run in?
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But they're screaming because there's balloons, and they're happy.
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Who would you judge more harshly for not running into the building and grabbing the kids?
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I would probably, if they're, again, I'm not everybody, right?
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If they're both adults, they should run in and save the kids.
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He nuts in you real quick, and then you carry it on because you've got a potential baby
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There's a fire and kids burning in a building.
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Why wouldn't the two of them go in and save the kids?
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That's what me and my partner would do if our kids were in a building.
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I've never met a conservative, traditional woman that's like, my partner.
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Well, we're not all conservative, traditional women.
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At no point in the rambling, compare it to her.
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I think you're just upset you can't get me with the gotcha questions.
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Do you know what a hypothetical is to test logic?
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You're trying to argue that I wouldn't sacrifice for my boyfriend.
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That I wouldn't, you know, lay my life on the line if necessary.
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And honestly, I'm the kind of person that would do that.
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If your boyfriend was a coward, would you break up with him?
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If you're a coward, do you think your boyfriend would break up with you?
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I don't even think it's worth the time explaining it.
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I'd like to bring in other people because you're just being bad faith.
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They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
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I just don't engage with it in the way that you want me to.
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I think my boyfriend's a better person than me.
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But that's on the sense of, like, I think he's worth more than me.
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A quick version of the story is I had a Discord server with about 50,000 members, and I had
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a big staff team, and I ended up, I made the Discord when I was, like, living in Ohio
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and Michigan, and I ended up moving to Florida, and I didn't know anybody there, so I hung
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out with my Discord mod, and we started dating, and we did it for, like, a year.
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I'm a bit confused, though, in some of your photos that you post online, you do wear a
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cross, but earlier when asked if you're a Christian, you said that you are spiritual
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and not, you wouldn't take the label of Christian.
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Yeah, I wouldn't want to, like, misrepresent Christianity, because I, like, sell bikini photos,
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and I post bikini photos and stuff, but I would say that that is the religion that aligns
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And you wanted to talk about guys that never want anything serious but still want you around
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I mean, some people, they date, you know, I mean, my longest relationship for two years,
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He kind of always wanted other, like, women around, and I would always be like, why, you
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Yeah, like, my friends and, like, just people to go out with and just so he could look good
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So, really quick, just if you can, with a quick answer, what did you used to believe
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I used to be pro-choice, used to be very, and this was all, like, way, way back in the
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day, you know, I was politically oriented at 11 years old, which is a fun thing for a
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Um, and really into LGBT, whatnots, um, and I just generally, I guess, had different values
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I became vegetarian at eight years old after seeing some videos of PETA online.
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Um, but no, I, I eat meat every day, usually three times a day.
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So, you know, that is a change and a difference.
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Um, and yeah, nowadays, I guess I just have different perspectives.
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You know, being a young woman, COVID happened when I was 15, and then I got a lot more exposure.
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Um, I listened to the Unabomber Manifesto at 15, and that really got my brain moving.
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I mean, I, I've seen documentaries on the Unabomber, but I, I have not read his manifesto, so I'm
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It's an environmental extremist that would, yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, he was, you could say he's an environmentalist extremist, um, but he had
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a lot of views just about society as a whole, about, uh, leftism as well, being a lot more
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racist, being a lot more essentially of bigots.
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Um, and he wrote a lot about that and also mostly about the industrial revolution and
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So, ranging from everything for how the world is the way it is today.
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Uh, you wrote that you were exposed to a lot of LGBT and feminist propaganda, but then yes,
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during COVID you woke up, you did not get vaccinated.
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You started learning the truth about the world.
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You have a good perspective because you understand both sides of the coin, why women are drawn
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Um, you've had two boyfriends, both of which have been long-term serious relationships.
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The biggest problem with both of them was cowardice.
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Uh, your last boyfriend was a world of Warcraft and, uh, addict and a porn addict.
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Uh, and you, because you were unsupportive of this lifestyle, he ended your nearly three-year
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I mean, it was a accumulation of, of quite a few things, but at the end of the day, it
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I know that I wanted him to play video games less and I also didn't want him watching porn.
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And, uh, you, I mean, I, I think that that's super valid.
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Um, he played, I actually, I, uh, I briefly had a stint with world of Warcraft when I was
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younger and then I played it again, like back in 2019.
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Uh, and it's a game you can't just play for an hour.
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You typically play it 10 hours a day, you know?
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Uh, but I, I stopped playing video games and a long time ago, but, uh, I do understand
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the addictive component of, uh, the video game, but, uh, was it the entire course of
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Um, no, it wasn't the entire course of our relationship during the beginning.
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Um, but the majority of our relationship, he was actually unemployed and that's when world
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Uh, but he was very good at finances, um, because he's a, a crypto bro and he made enough
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I'm going to retire for a little while and just kind of do my own thing video games.
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Was he a classic Andy or did he play retail world of Warcraft?
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Frankly, I, yeah, I didn't really ask him too many questions about it.
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I wasn't, you didn't even ask your boyfriend about the video.
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Yeah, I mentioned I'll watch porn in, uh, relationships.
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Um, you also said your boyfriend before him, I guess a different boyfriend grew up without
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a father, subsequently dealt with a lot of problems.
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You broke up with him because you were being cackled and sexually harassed by a group of
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strangers and he hid from them, leaving you alone and pretending not to know you.
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But can you be specific as to exactly, um, by the way, just men should not be catcalling
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or, uh, you know, being whatever in the streets, but, uh, can you be specific as to exactly what
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So we were at, uh, a concert and I wouldn't say I was, you know, necessarily so scantily
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I was wearing a shirt comparable to this and then a skirt that was shorter.
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Um, and I was at the concert and I remember we were waiting for the band to get on stage
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I was like going down to the ground and touching my toes.
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And then it started, it was a group of about five guys, two of which were in a wheelchair,
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Um, and they just started hollering all these really, um, vulgar things of sexual acts they
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wanted me to do to them involving stretching and whatnot.
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Um, and, and, but did they, they didn't like grope or touch you?
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I mean, they were about as, as close to me as you are to me now.
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I looked up and I like looked around me and my boyfriend had just gone into the crowd.
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Like, you remember when those guys were yelling this crazy stuff?
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Were they, did they appear violent or anything like that?
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I mean, I remember it made me really uncomfortable, but they were just kind of like hollering from
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They weren't like coming up closer to me, but naturally the fact that then.
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What, what would have been the ideal, uh, way in which your boyfriend in that moment,
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I think probably just took me from the hand and like.
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Yeah, led me away from the situation because ultimately like if you have a bunch of guys
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that are kind of doing that, you know, they're probably drunk.
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You could yell at them like, Hey, don't be a dick, but you don't need to like go in and
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throw some punches because you know, what's that really going to achieve?
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Well, I mean, um, I think the, uh, your, your boyfriend and he was outnumbered.
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He should have led you away in the situation confronting them probably would have led to
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an escalation that given the numbers, sometimes in a, you got to be pragmatic, unless your
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boyfriend's like a fucking MMA fighter, but important to not even wheelchairs, but even
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We're all like older, older, like unfit gentlemen.
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Well, he, he, he, he's got around you to like back that up as well.
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Well, what, what he did was, uh, he was, that was completely wrong.
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He should have grabbed your hands, grabbed your arm, led you away, got you out of the
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Uh, some, some people might say, Oh, you should probably whoop some ass.
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Um, I, but given the, the numbers, it's a little risky.
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Um, yeah, the guys deserve a smack in the face, but if the odds are against you, well,
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I think the best thing is just like extract yourself from, from the scenario.
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Now say it's one guy and you're the boyfriend and you're doing an assessment.
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Like maybe the guy needs a bit of a smack, but in any case, I think bare minimum, you
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gotta, you gotta remove your girl from the situation.
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Um, if he did, they would get kicked out though.
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So I don't think this was a big deal for you though, because, uh, you said he was being
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We're not going to linger on it too long just for the sake of time.
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But I do think that there's a sort of asymmetry here when it comes to, um, expectations and
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it's like women do have an expectation that men, uh, like to be a coward, you might say
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it could be, I don't want to frame this properly.
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Uh, cowardice in men is going to be massively negative, negatively appraised by women, but
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like cowardice in women, that's not going to really majorly like depends exactly what
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But in the same situation, like let's say there's four girls like fucking with me and
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my girlfriend kind of was like, is hesitant to like tell, you know, she either doesn't
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say shut the fuck up or she kind of like, I'd be in there screaming.
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Well, but it's understandable that they don't, they're not judged harshly for it.
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I wouldn't, yeah, I wouldn't judge a girlfriend if she didn't like start fucking or even if
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it was like, say there's not a number thing.
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Let's just say it's like one girl talking shit to me and my girlfriend's with me.
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Like, I'm not going to like look at my girlfriend and be like, well, aren't you going to go
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I'm going to be like, nah, let's just get out of this.
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Like, I wouldn't be negatively assessing her for her inaction or lack of action in that
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Deescalation and just like, it's not necessarily avoiding, but also like protecting yourself,
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protecting your energy and, you know, fighting violence isn't always the answer, especially
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I agree, but what we're talking about is there is a bit of an asymmetry here on the specific
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issue in the sense, cause it came up earlier when she was talking about cowardice and yeah,
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it's like, oh, she would sacrifice for her boyfriend.
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Well, even if that's true, even if that is the case, even if the woman would take the boy,
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the bullet for the man, men typically don't have the expectation that women do that thing.
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So if, if you are willing to take the bullet for your boyfriend, I mean, I guess good
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for him that that's sort of, um, perhaps honorable in a masculine sort of way, I guess.
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I would, but I wouldn't want to have sex with him after, you know what I'm saying?
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I'll move off of that though, just for sake of time.
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But you are, Ella, you are against porn, modern feminist culture, online dating, and you're
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Now we will skip those first few, but, uh, for the 50, 50 relationships.
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I think ultimately it comes down to, and we've talked about this a lot today, kind of like
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a tit for tat relationship of really going down to analyze, okay, you do X for me, I do
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You know, ideally both people are going to put a hundred percent of their effort and a hundred
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And, you know, naturally that will look different.
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Um, so I might like non-transactional, yeah, non-transactional, you know, in, in my relationship
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with my last boyfriend, we lived together and he paid the rent and I did the cooking and the
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Um, but during part of that time, I also went to massage school.
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So there'd be times when, you know, I'd go off to school and the house wouldn't necessarily
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And, you know, he'd clean for me and help when I got home.
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But then of course, you know, I was practicing massage on him all the time.
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I mean, it was a good way that worked for both of us where I was cooking the majority
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of the meals, including the majority of the time.
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And he was also paying for the rent and the food and we were living together.
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Um, and he, he definitely would help me out with things.
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You know, I also had pretty bad menstruation at the time.
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So he was, he was very mindful of that and of learning the four phases.
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Um, but you know, then there's the benefit as well of the things that I would do for
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Um, and we were talking, actually, it was kind of you that set off some of the earlier
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Um, as part of this dynamic, if you reject 50, 50 relationship, I assume you want the
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man to take more of a leadership role in the relationship or, or it seems you're a bit
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Yeah, because ultimately, you know, I don't want to speak in a hundred percent because
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I think that there's ultimately things that we both know better about, especially when
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For example, like the mothers naturally during the early development years, I mean, it's a
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little bit of both because generally women will be a little too overprotective with the
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And then the fathers are really beneficial because they help expose them to more risks, but the
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Then I'm going to, this is a question for the whole panel.
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Um, this is something that I've tangled with in my own relationship.
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So I will actually reveal, uh, some, some details, uh, or not even just relationships, but
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So it's my preference that, uh, I have, uh, separate bedrooms with whoever I'm dating now
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this, and even if we're not living together, like let's say, well, let's say I'm in a long
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distance relationship and my girlfriend comes to visit me for a week.
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I prefer to sleep in my own space, my bedroom, and I have a guest room for her.
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It's not like, okay, go sleep in the tent outside.
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Because I've had some women, not a problem at all.
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Other women have given me substantial pushback on this.
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Uh, they nag, they argue, they throw a hissy fit.
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Um, so I'm curious to you guys, uh, I'm sure some of you guys maybe want a guy to be a
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Uh, so I would believe submission in this example would be, uh, it's, it's okay for women to
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perhaps be, uh, to want something and to perhaps be, uh, frustrated if they don't get it.
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I understand most women probably want to share a bed with the same guy, although some women
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But I think that if, even if it's something that you want and your, your boyfriend or
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me in this case says, no, it's not going to be that way.
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Internally, you might be like, uh, a bit let down.
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But I think a woman's duty in terms of obeying and being submissive is to regulate her response
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to that and not crash out and be vexatious and contentious and, and nagging and really
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And I think ideally there is no compromise on this.
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And so I think this is how the conversation should go.
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It should go, by the way, I, uh, I vet for this.
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Before you get, before you date, I asked the girl, I asked, they've changed their position.
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Some girls are like, well, I do like it, but, um, I'll acquiesce to you and acquiesce is
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When it comes to the submissive dynamic, I believe that at least with this, um, and really
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frankly, all things, most things anyways, I believe the woman ought to and should acquiesce
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And in this case on this specific topic, uh, do you guys, what, I guess, what do you think?
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Let me start with you and we'll go around the table.
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I, yeah, I actually do have personal experience with that because we lived together in two
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We later moved into a two bedroom together and we actually did have separate bedrooms,
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And, um, at first I wasn't a big fan of it because I really liked going to bed together,
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but ultimately then it ended up working out and I liked kind of having my own space.
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And then every night before I'd go to bed, I'd tell him, okay, I'm going to bed and he'd
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come and tuck me in, be all nice and all of that.
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So then he'd go into the room and you know, I'd have the blanket on and all of that and
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say, okay, good night, sleep well, you know, very nice.
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And it ended up working out pretty well for us.
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Um, I prefer to like sleep in bed with somebody, but if it was like an every night scenario,
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like you could never like cuddle me to bed and sleep with me next to me.
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Like I've never experienced that on an everyday basis, but I've been in a two bedroom hotel
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with my boyfriend before and they would be like, or, and he was like, he had said, oh,
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I don't want to fight with him, but no, I don't think it's a fightable scenario.
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Now if he was like, I'll never sleep in bed with you.
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I've never been in a very healthy, strong relationship in my life.
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But do you, do you guys live together currently?
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Actually, we're both very like take care of our parents sort of people.
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Oh, I'm just trying to understand the context for like the sleepovers then I guess.
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Now normally when I sleep over at his house, we do sleep together in the same bed.
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Well that, that might just be out of, but does he have a guest room?
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Because like if there's, if you have a one bedroom, if you have a one bedroom apartment,
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Well, no, what I'm trying to say is like, just practically speaking, if there's no
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But I mean, uh, let's say, let's say you guys, he moved and he got a two bedroom apartment
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and the other one was a guest room and your boyfriend or whatever was like, Hey, uh, can
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If he did it every night, I guess I just really wouldn't, I just wouldn't like that.
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I've never been in a scenario like that, but I really don't like that.
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Well, I understand you don't like it, but if like that determination has been made, either
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If I had my own room, my own autonomy and my own stuff, I mean, yes, I would like that.
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I really, I guess I really wouldn't have a big problem with it.
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I would feel a little less close at night, but if we at least cuddled before bed, then
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Well, I mean, I kind of already do this half the time with my husband, because he works
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offshore, but we're not in the same house for two weeks, so.
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Well, assuming a situation where he's like, he's at the house.
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I guess it would just depend on, I mean, I don't think that's a make, it would, I don't
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think it would be a deal breaker for me, per se, and, but that would, it would definitely
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Yeah, like a conversation, because, you know, even though I'm, what is that word that you
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Yeah, so you used another word, but whatever it is.
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Yeah, acquiesce, even though I'm willing to acquiesce with him, as his wife, in our household,
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I still, you know, like, I still would want to have that conversation and be like, is there
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a reason why, you know, what is the reason, because just like he needs security, I also
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need security, and that would be something that would probably make me feel a little insecure,
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but if I could understand the mechanism behind it, I could probably go with it.
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Now, if it was something that's like, oh, you snore or something, or I don't like you,
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I don't like sleeping next to you, I might, I might have like, I'm not going to push back.
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Yes, sleeping in the same bed together can be like an extra, like one, two, three percent
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intimacy, however you want to put a number to it, but his position would be he gets better
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It could be, say, it's harder for him to sleep in the same room as somebody, let's just say
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that's the hypothetical, and so he explains that to you, is any further, because you said
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I mean, I would probably feel some type of way, but I would process it.
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Typically, if we have a conversation and I feel emotional, I sleep on it, and then if
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I'm still emotional about it in the morning, I usually can articulate why I was upset about
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I'll continue around the table, but let me, I guess, add a little more information here.
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So at least my own take on this is that my sleep quality supersedes the woman's desire
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for like plus one percent intimacy or whatever.
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Essentially like, you know, plus five percent luck, plus five percent intimacy.
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So yeah, my sleep quality completely supersedes the woman's desire for that specific form
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To be clear, don't mischaracterize my position.
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That's not to say that intimacy is not important.
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I'm saying that particular form of intimacy, the woman's desire in this situation, I think,
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does not supersede my desire for getting a restful good night's sleep so that I can be the one
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If I, hey, even her birthday, if I really need my, like, if her birthday falls like the
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night before a show, to the guest room she goes.
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I think that it's, that you have the right to ask for those things if it's your home.
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Um, personally, for me, um, I think I would, I would prefer to come to a compromise of maybe
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one night a week that we spend in bed together.
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Um, but if I had a partner that I lived with and they were like, no, I need my own space.
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I wanted to get to some stuff with her, but okay.
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She sleeps over at my house, but she can have the guest room.
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I'm saying, like, sleepovers in each other's bedrooms.
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The only, the only thing that would really keep me away from it is security.
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So, for me, like, one of my favorite things about sleeping in the same room as a man is
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So, knowing that some, if somebody breaks in, like, he's got that handled because I sleep
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So, all I have to do is take the room closest to the door.
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And my room would have to be, like, far away from any windows that are, like, close to
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So, my grandparents, both sides, they're, one's going on 71 years and the other is going
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But they, one side sleeps in separate bedrooms.
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And then, the other side sleeps together, obviously.
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And I think my personal preference would be, you know, understanding what the man wants,
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And I am a person that might be a little bit more needy.
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I've actually been in a relationship like this where it was my idea that we had different
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bedrooms and it was solely because I am a very, like, OCD person and I'd like my stuff
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to stay in a neat order and I thought it was better that he just was messy in his own
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space and it did end up leading into us sleeping in different spots.
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Apparently, I also snore, so, I mean, it probably benefited him.
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So, I don't mind at all and I would, I mean, I think it was me that proposed the idea, not
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I think that it is a personal preference and I hope it's something you discussed before,
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you know, getting into a serious relationship and if they're okay with it, then cool and
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if they're not, then you probably shouldn't be in a relationship with someone you're not
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I think that it's valid to want that, especially if you're discussing it prior to the relationship,
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giving them that option to move forward with you, knowing that.
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I have done the dynamic before, but we also still slept together, but I also like my space.
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I like laying out like a starfish when I sleep sometimes, but I think I would still want,
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Otherwise, I don't think I could be with someone like that.
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In fact, for my future, when I do live with a male, I am definitely going to want us to
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have separate rooms, but sleeping together, I would not be okay with separate sleeping every
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I would need some sort of, um, a, um, like cooperation when I'm thinking of, um, sorry.
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You women need to read a book called, a book titled A Child Called It by Dave Pelzer, an autobiography
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of the author being abused by his alcoholic single mother, including being stabbed and eating
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vomit, just to survive while sleeping on an army cot in the basement doing house chores.
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Um, lady, your confidence far exceeds your competence.
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Guys, we, um, we barely run any ads over there on Twitch.
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Twitch, we don't do pre-rolls over there on Twitch.
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Uh, you know, we got a, uh, pretty, pretty high, uh, you know, effort that goes into the
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You know, again, I'm not just like some dude playing video games like a lot of these streamers
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Not, again, not that there's anything wrong with that, but our production time, production
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effort, production costs far exceed, uh, almost all of the content that you see over there
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So, uh, Coop, thank you for the gifted 10 subs.
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So, if you guys can, check if you have an Amazon Prime sub available.
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And, uh, I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
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Yeah, guys, it's six figures a year to, uh, run this show.
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So, uh, would really appreciate you guys showing us some support over there on Twitch just by
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If you have one, Gamid, thank you for the Prime sub.
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Um, we have a question here, but I'm not able to pull it up.
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So, uh, the question is on a scale of zero to 10, what do you rate your looks?
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Uh, and let's do face, body, total, starting with you.
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Yeah, zero to 10, your physical looks, rate your face, rate body, and then like your total
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So, don't, when I say total, I don't mean add your face rating and your body rating so
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I would rate my face a 9.99, my body a 9.99, overall a 9.99.
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But as far as like as perfect as you can get without being perfect, you definitely fall
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Well, God didn't make me this way and he makes no mistakes, right?
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So, well, so it would look something like this.
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Uh, I don't like to rate people on their looks personally.
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And, uh, the only person I care about, you know, who cares about my rating would be my
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So, well, I get that you don't like to rate people on their looks, but I'm asking you to
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Well, there's no such thing as a 10 in my opinion, because nobody is perfect.
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And I think that, you know, if somebody likes a bleached blonde Latina, then they might
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And somebody that doesn't might call me a four or a three or whatever.
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I think highly of myself, but I don't want to give an exact rating.
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Maybe you can go around and rate people afterwards.
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To yourself, like in the mirror, what do you think you are?
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I think I am above average attractive for sure.
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Either speak closer to the mic or project your voice, please.
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Nine point nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, ten, ten.
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Eight face, eight body, eight overall, I guess.
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Eight point five face, and then can you choose seven?
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I would say nine face, eight body, eight overall.
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Nine for my face, eight for my body, eight overall.
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I would say four for my face, and three for my body, and maybe like, I guess a three
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No, but it's like, it's like, it's about to be my turn to, oh my god, I need to quit
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I think like, my body's more of like a six, even though it's like, got, what's the word?
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It's got promise, if I really put my mind to it, but no, I'm good genetics, but am I
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All right, so I'm like, six body, let's go there, and then let's go with like, give myself
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I'm not a big fan of this question, so I'm not going to answer it.
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I mean, I think I'm attractive enough, and it really depends on the day when you look
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Most days, if you averaged how you viewed yourself.
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Are you saying that I have a much higher opinion of myself than is actually true?
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I've managed to, once again, I don't know how to do this.
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We have a 9.999, or a 9.99, a 10, an 8, an 8, a 9.
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No, you expect conservatives on the show are going to act, and they're going to respond
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There's nothing that precludes a conservative woman from having an assessment or ranking
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Well, I think that's about, you know, acting like a lady and rating my, I've never in
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my life, I'm 32 years old, have never rated my body in front of people, and I don't feel
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But how would that make you less of a lady?
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I don't understand how that makes you less of a lady.
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I watched the show enough to know this was coming up.
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So you can call yourself conservative, you know?
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So your version of conservative is equal to trad, but most women that call themselves
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conservative are not trad, your definition of it.
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So that's what I'm saying, you know, I think it's respectful.
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I think it's respectful to just respect her opinion and to pass it on.
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I just don't understand how it makes you less conservative to give an assessment of
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what you think your face looks like or what you think your body looks like to the general
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I don't even know what the fuck that means.
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I think my value doesn't come from my looks.
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How do we get to the loaded aspect of your self-worth is tied in or somehow you're less
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valuable because it's the case that you rate yourself higher or lower on your looks.
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But I don't understand how that would devalue you at all.
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You said, I think there's better things or something like this.
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Well, I mean, but you don't wake up in the morning and put on a bunch of makeup on your
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That's why it's an accurate assessment to give myself a rating on my personality instead
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But if you couldn't assess your looks, you wouldn't put makeup on your face because
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otherwise you wouldn't know how to enhance it, right?
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Why would you ever use makeup on your face unless you were using it to enhance features
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Um, because I feel like it makes me look better, feel better.
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So it enhances the features that you like and that you think appear good to other people.
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So you are making those value judgments every day.
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And that's all we're asking is for the value judgment of yourself.
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But then don't pretend you don't make the value judgments because that's what you were
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You were pretending I don't make those value judgments.
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That's not when you clearly make the value judgments every single day.
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That's not what I normally value myself overall.
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Can I, can I wake up, look in the mirror and say, today I look a little puffy.
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Did anybody ever say that the overarching way that you value yourself is only in physical
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So all we're asking was how you value yourself in physical appearance.
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And then we, we figured out you do actually do that every single day.
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It depends how, you know, the clothes I want to wear that day and the makeup I want to
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Well, my assumption is like, you don't wake up in the morning, go over and grab lipstick
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and just smear it all over your forehead and all over your neck and then walk outside
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So you like use it to enhance features that you have.
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She also dyed her hair a whole different color.
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Likely to enhance characteristics about yourself.
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Do you like your beard because it enhances your looks?
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Well, no, I have a beard because I'm just fucking lazy.
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Do you think it would, it does enhance your looks or it doesn't?
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Well, so it's something you don't want to talk about.
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Well, I actually just don't know the answer to that.
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But the thing is, is like that aside, that literally it's not in dispute that I look
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in the mirror and give myself an assessment of my appearance and then change the appearance
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Probably not going to not comb the hair and put on like nice clothes.
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Well, the, the one, the one to 10 scale is just saying you're taking what you generally
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see in society and then you're applying it against what you think you look like in,
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I don't know why that's not conservative though.
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I just, you know, when you say, I just don't judge myself on that.
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Most people judge how they look and when they throw out the door, whatever.
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Why is it that average women just average looking women just don't view themselves as
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I think the average women, I think average women rate themselves maybe a little bit
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higher because they want to practice self-confidence and have self-worth.
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You can be confident and be able to, that would be deception, right?
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Isn't it kind of lying to yourself where you are?
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Is it rating yourself low lying to yourself too?
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What do you rate a 10 and have you ever had a 10 on the show?
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I think it's hard for people to admit that there's something wrong with them.
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But there are people in this world who would see criticizing themselves like that or judging
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themselves like that would hurt their self-esteem and admit, have to admit that they are not
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I mean, we could, we could pull up photos of, of famous female supermodels.
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Um, I think perhaps, uh, Adriana Lima when she was younger might be a good example of a
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woman who was, uh, exceptionally, uh, attractive and beautiful.
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Um, again, I don't think 10s exist, but she's definitely a nine.
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Um, I've been waiting to ask you this question a while.
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We're going to come back to the rating thing, but really quick, I do want to go around the
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Who here thinks men are insecure if they care about body count?
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Do you think it's insecure if a man like cares about a woman's body count?
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It's, I mean, but like by, by little bit, I wouldn't think every person I've ever dated
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has asked me, you know, it's been a very minute amount of men that would have asked me on a
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And that it is a little unattractive in the sense of how personal that question in it might
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be on like a very low level of knowing that person.
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That should be one of your vetting questions as a man.
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What's your body count that that you got to vet, you know, but, uh, I think, you know,
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I guess for them, if that's what they want to think, I think it's coped to go ahead.
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Um, my rating maybe wasn't the most honest answer, but, um, I mean like it is, but it's,
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I, I can actually put a number on this, you know, somewhat.
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Um, definitely above 55, I'd say somewhere in the sixties to somewhere in the sixties
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is what I came up with, which I did kind of check this out a few months ago.
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I do keep a list of everyone that I have had intercourse with.
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Some of them aren't on the list because, um, because some of them, I don't, it was like
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So there's been a few times as, as a sex worker, as a sex worker, there have been some
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And so those ones, I did not, those ones, not you, those ones, I did not add to my list.
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And I don't do, I, that's not generally, I'm not really a full service sex worker, but
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you have had sex, but I have done it before, but you have had sex for money.
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They're not on my, they're on my body count, but they're not on like my little list.
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Do you think it would be like inappropriate or wrong for a guy to ask that question of you?
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Um, like individually, one-on-one, not on a podcast.
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I think if they asked about my past history and relationships, I would be willing to be
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honest because I have nothing that I am ashamed of.
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But if they straight up asked me, Hey, by the way, what's your body count?
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I'm eliminating that person from my perspective in dating.
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No, it's, I think you should, because, you know, match up to what you feel is acceptable
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But the only reason, the only way you're going to find out the truth, first of all, uh, you
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might, you might never find out the truth just by asking, right?
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If, if you were to ask a woman what we're talking about you, yes, I agree.
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I, I would not because I, I don't have anything to have to lie about, but asking it would be
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disqualifying, but being rude about it and not asking about previous relationships and
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And he's like, Hey, uh, Mia Moore, I really like you.
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Uh, in fact, I even think you could be my future wife.
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Maybe that might be cringe to say, but that's his intention, right?
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And he's like, listen, something that is, uh, important to me.
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Something that's important to me though, is I am curious to know your, uh, curious to
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And, um, the way that's framed is, is that acceptable?
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Uh, or no, it's acceptable to ask about previous relationships.
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But if you mentioned the words body count, I think that even if done in, in a, uh, but
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that's, but that, isn't that kind of sneaky because, well, hang on, hang on.
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If it's the case that you say, it's the way you hang on, hang on, you say, hang on, can
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So isn't it kind of sneaky to be like, you can ask about previous relationships.
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What if it's the case that the woman doesn't count, right?
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Uh, you know, other bodies as being a relationship, whereas a body count is very specific and it's
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like, you know what it is that I'm asking then does, doesn't that throw a red flag?
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Uh, again, personally, I like to keep my, very sneaky, good catch.
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I don't have a, what I guess you guys would consider high body count.
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Um, but there's no way of knowing if a person, uh, does have it or not.
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And I don't think that if you're looking for a wife, you know, somebody serious to be in
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a relationship with in the future, that knowing that information is going to determine whether
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they have the character to be a long-term wife or anything like that, because you can't
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Um, can you, can you, for, you want somebody that you're with in the future to be clean,
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So the only way for you to find that out is by going to get tested, right?
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Men care about body count for more reasons than just her STD status.
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But I'm saying if you want a long-term partner, there's a couple of problems here.
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The first problem is the assumption that you'll never know.
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I literally just said, I would give you an example that those were my exact words.
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So anyway, here's, here's a great example of this woman says, ah, I've only slept with
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I was, you know, my ex, Justin, my ex, you know, Fred, my ex Chuck and my ex Dan.
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And then, you know, a couple of weeks in, uh, you find out she has another ex named Steve
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and you're like, Hey, how long were you with him?
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And you're like three months and you're like, oh, do you admit him from the body count?
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And it's like, well, now you have good reason to suspect that they're a liar.
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So the thing is, it's like, you can actually hang on.
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You can indeed actually find out if a woman's being truthful about her body count or not.
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And if she was lying about that, you should, you can easily assume that there's more, right?
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And you should, if you want an honest person to have a relationship with, then you would
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So you can't trust anything else that they said.
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So the thing is, is that that would be a deception, but if we're operating under the assumption
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that, well, you just have to take her out of word.
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You know, what's funny is in her notes, in her notes, wait, wait, wait, in her notes,
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she says that she actually runs criminal background checks on men before dating them.
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So it's interesting that it seems like, which is totally fine.
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However, there is a bit of a, um, she, she objects to men inquiring as to women's past,
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I'm saying that you wouldn't get the truth, whether there's no, you're admitting you would
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No, I, and I have never, but there's no reason to assume you're telling me.
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Why would you assume, but hold on, women can be honest about this.
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So women can be honest and women can be as deceptive, but we're asking, I'm asking you
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So for you, it's if, if the guy asks the question, it's over.
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I feel like that's a rude, ungentlemanly question to ask.
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I feel like if they know me and we've talked and they know my past, they know what I do.
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What was it before the, what was it before the BBL?
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If I had an answer, I'd tell you, but I don't know.
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And you're going to answer the question, and I need to do your notes.
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Don't you want me to go over your comedian notes that you have here?
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Why don't you at least stay for the body count question?
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Okay, you did say you don't do OF, but you date a lot.
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How would my boyfriend feel watching this about me talking about body count publicly?
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There's plenty of dating shows throughout history that have never changed.
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It's Brian's case that Brian asked the body count thing.
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I don't give a shit what the body count is.
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I only give a shit if the idea is that somehow inappropriate to ask.
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That's the only thing I care about because that doesn't make any sense to me.
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Yeah, I mean, it makes sense to ask when in dating,
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but it obviously is something I'm comfortable to share publicly.
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That's something that it opens you up to a lot of prejudice you got to think about.
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If somebody's going to leave the podcast, you don't get to hang out behind the scenes.
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It's probably like a little bit more than that.
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I would rather not share on the podcast, but if I were asked on a date, probably like the
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second or third date, and if the other person on the date also shared their body count, then
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I was just saying I won't share on a podcast, but if I were on a date and I were asked, then
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So, you will admit to doing like all kinds of degenerate sex acts.
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Do you engage in acts that sexually gratify men in person?
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All of my clients are welcome to touch themselves if they behave themselves, but I do not touch
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But we're not going to have like a debate, a definitional debate.
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I mean, I would say, I guess two and a half because I had, I mean, I was a teenager and
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And respectfully, we do talk about chivalry and chivalry again.
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As you said, it's coming from the medieval knights.
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And I just don't think the, I don't know, behavior among this otherwise has been necessarily very
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chivalrous to the women who have come out here today.
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I know, but it's just obvious that a lot of women have been made uncomfortable.
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I mean, two women have left the show early.
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But what is your actual objection to the question?
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I mean, I just don't think it's something you need to share publicly.
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I have watched some things and I decided I didn't want to answer it before I came on.
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You don't have to answer it, but you are aware, like, I don't see how you can raise this criticism.
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If you're aware that is a question that is asked, like, you're not surprised that the
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And as far as chivalry, I'm not dating any of you.
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It's something that men care about and something that women can care about or do care about.
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So I don't see how this is like somehow, uh, like an inappropriate question to ask on
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an adversarial controversial known to be controversial dating podcast.
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I don't, I don't see how this would establish a lacking of chivalry.
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No, not the question in particular, but just, you know, go ahead and make your credit.
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Well, I know your criticism is now going to extend beyond just the fact that I'm asking
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I don't think that that's inherently inappropriate.
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I guess I just didn't expect it to be as high stress of an environment.
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I mean, this time you've been very exacerbated.
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She was over there like sign earlier and you're kind of like, Oh my God, like stop sign and
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We, if you've agreed to come on the podcast and the podcast has rules and we remind you
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of the rules repeatedly and you break the rules, that's going to result in frustration.
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Have you ever dated a guy and he continued to make the same mistake over and over and
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And naturally, I mean, earlier, naturally, that's a perfect word to describe it naturally.
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So look, you guys have not been exactly, uh, this isn't even about the body count thing.
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You guys have not been particularly, uh, following some of our rules.
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But now she's levying a criticism towards me about the, uh, and it's like, if you poke
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somebody enough, they're going to get frustrated.
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I'm trying to keep everything like, uh, moving along.
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So I have a higher burden than every single one of you panelists here.
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But there has been some discussions where people have been getting cut off, including myself,
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And then I had to defer to the person that was speaking.
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And if I may, you know, earlier you had said that men, they have easier jobs nowadays going
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Frankly, I'd rather be in a coal mine than do your job.
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And I just, I just wanted to say it because that was how I was feeling.
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That was one of the rules that we read off at the beginning to say how you feel.
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So now it's just like a meta conversation, a meta criticism of the podcast.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess I didn't come in necessarily with the impression that this was helping the
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lives of young men and of all people in general.
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Have you felt different like at the beginning of the show or before the show until now and
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what you think it like represents and stands for?
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I think it's frustrating for pretty much everybody involved.
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But people keep coming back and streaming every Sunday.
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I came on because I was like, this is clickbait vibes.
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This is, I mean, the structure of the show, which I understand.
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It's a very long show, seven hours, and then you can get 30 second content clips that can
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And so that's the nature of the podcast, which I totally understand.
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And I knew personally, and maybe you didn't know or you weren't aware that this was going
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But I knew that being conservative, but not conservative to the degree that they would
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like to label it is going to put me on the opposing side.
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And I think it showed, I mean, I kind of proved myself right.
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You know, first, when you guys thought I was going to be 100% on whatever it is that you
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guys said, I was even on the other side of the table.
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And when, you know, I had a different opinion, now I'm on the opposing side of the table.
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The kind of tone that you use when you're talking to people, debating with people, it
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You know, somebody makes a mistake, maybe a nicer tone or more gentlemanly tone would
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That's totally this feminine view, like this empathy shit.
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And that's how, oh my God, was Nathan very polite when he told you guys not to interrupt
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one person speaking at a time when he was going over all the pre-show instructions?
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And then did we, did we, did we, I was just sitting here.
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Did we provide you even before the show in our pre-show notes, sort of, uh, you know, uh,
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So it's like when somebody repeatedly, repeatedly continues to break our rules, makes mistakes
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and just isn't, and they're being bad faith and they're, they're in your case, this entire
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night, I don't think you understand how frustrating it is to attempt to have a logical conversation
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with somebody and they straw man your positions all night.
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It's like that Jordan Peterson interview with Kathy Newman.
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So what you're saying is, no, that's not what happened.
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And it's incredibly frustrating to be in that kind of conversation where somebody can't be
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They don't understand, they're, they're not, uh, understanding what you're saying.
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And so, yes, that's going to be frustrating.
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And in addition to that, there's a bunch of shit behind the scenes, fucking, uh, this
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Uh, my primary producer, Mary called out on a big show.
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It's Nathan's first day doing a, and this isn't anything, this isn't Nathan's fault, but
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that, that puts higher burden on me to, you know, do certain things.
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And then in addition to that, people are interrupting.
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People are not deferring to me when I'm trying to move things along and constantly being interrupted.
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That's going to eventually get, that's going to get on your nerves.
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So it's like, literally remember Nate at the very beginning of the show, the very top
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of the show, Nathan gave his instructions in our pre-show instructions.
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It's really important to speak close to the mic.
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And then I reiterated it for at least a third time right before the show, speak close to
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the microphone, literally the first words out of a panel or the first action out of a
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panelist mouth, you, you were not speaking close to the microphone.
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And that just sets the, that sets the stage for just.
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There's just people that I guess react to differently to the frustration.
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For example, you know, no relationship is perfect, you know, boyfriend, girlfriend.
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But I think if I'm extremely frustrated with my boyfriend, the way that I tell him things
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to correct his behavior, he tells me something to correct something that I've done.
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If he told me things in a certain tone, a certain way, I am more receptive to it versus
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And I, would you consider yourself a little bit more, you know, confrontational in your
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way, your tone of talking to people in comparison to most?
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See, that's just a personality trait that may go well or may not go well with people,
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And if, you know, it was me, that kind of tone doesn't work for a relationship.
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So you and I, this isn't a relationship, this is a podcast, where people can get, see, I
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can't even, some of the fucking people in the chat are fucking not on my side on this.
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Damned if you're due, damned if you're don't.
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Brian, you're not being assertive enough with the guests.
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You're just, guys, doing a fucking panel show is fucking difficult.
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Most of these people have never been on a fucking podcast.
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They don't know good microphone discipline.
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They don't know, like, they don't understand the interrupting.
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And it's like, when you have to repeat yourself 10, 20, 30 times, yeah, you're going to get frustrated.
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Like, I'm not, pretty please, could you do the thing that I asked you to do for the fucking 10th time?
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I agree with, you know, telling people to knock things off if they don't do it 10 times.
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I think using curse words at women is not very chivalrous and really knocks out points when it comes to getting your point across.
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Okay, well, I think you being bad faith the entire night and straw manning.
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I come here to say exactly what I believe in, which is I think that, you know, I believe in traditional relationships and marriage.
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I think that women, and nowadays we have a different role for women, and I think you can have a career and also be traditional.
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That's all that I've, I mean, if people are watching now, they can run it back and see.
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Nothing is extremist or out of the ordinary, and I think that just has not been very well received.
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But, again, this is that kind of a podcast, and you believe traditional has to be trad wife, and anybody outside of that is, you know, not traditional, not conservative.
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And I'm just here because I want to mend relationships between men and women.
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In fact, I want to give men tips on how to land a woman and get married and that kind of stuff.
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I've had really good success with advising people on it, and I guess men are watching this show this late at night because they want to know what women think, right?
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How women think so that they can get into a relationship with them.
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Do you want more relationships to happen, or are you trying to divide the sexes with your show?
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Or do you think that your show helps unite the sexes or divide the sexes?
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What evidence do you have that it is divisive, and do you have anything that would back up this assertion?
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I think that women are very often devalued on the show.
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Your claim is, is it broadly societally divisive to the viewers or to the audience?
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What does that have to do with the women at the table?
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One example, I'm very impressed at the show's ability to gather this kind of an audience.
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There's a lot of women here that do sex work, right?
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And they're a very small percentage of the population.
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So they're not a representation, an accurate representation at all, of most women.
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So then how can you say most women aren't that if you can't put a number on it?
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I will say that I think the point of the show...
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I will say that I need you to answer the question.
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Um, having sex outside of solid relationships, I think that that is being more sexually liberated
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Um, anything that, you know, one night stands or, you know, unprotected sex or, you know,
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So as long as a woman's having protected sex, she's not promiscuous?
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I think the ideal should be sex in a committed relationship where you first, where you first
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vet the person so that you don't just start it.
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If a woman's had sex with 20 men, do you consider that promiscuous in and of itself?
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Uh, if I ask that question to an 80-year-old woman and she tells me 20, I'd probably be
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So 20, 20 bodies is not necessarily promiscuous.
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I, again, don't want to be the person to judge that, but my original question was...
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The original question doesn't make sense unless we have an answer to this question because
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I personally put that more on the promiscuous side, yes.
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She just won't take a stand on anything or put labels on anything.
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I think that they made very difficult, bad choices.
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I do have to drive two hours, but I really enjoyed being on the show.
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I think this show doesn't help bridge the gender war gap by telling men that most women are sex workers.
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Well, again with the fucking straw man, man.
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Or that this is a valid representation of most women.
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This show says that most women are sex workers.
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You're literally slandering my fucking show.
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Surprisingly, a large amount of sex workers...
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Is that not what I originally said and opened this entire conversation with?
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I don't have $100,000, but I know that I opened up...
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But I opened up this argument by saying that a great majority of women in the show are sex workers.
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You were saying that I think that a majority of women are sex workers.
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If I said that, if I said that, if I said that, I misspoke.
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What she said is you're teaching men that the majority of men or women are sex workers.
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And so to that point, when we say sexually promiscuous, what does promiscuous mean to you?
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For me, for my standards, I think it's having sex outside of committed, stable relationships.
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So if you've had five, if you've had 10 stable...
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And another additional qualifier to that is that the point of those relationships is marriage,
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Okay, so you've had 10, let's say you're 26, you've had 10 committed relationships.
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At 26, it depends how early on you started relationships.
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So when you say that you're teaching women that...
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Or teaching men that women are promiscuous, right?
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And then you say most women are not promiscuous.
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You fail to actually identify to us what the numbers are for promiscuity.
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If most women have a body count at 25 of above X, would that mean that most women are promiscuous?
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Uh, I have my personal opinions on it, but you can Google, I guess based on surveys, because
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there's no way to find this out for sure, but you can Google based on surveys, how many
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average amount of sexual partners men and women have had, and you can look that up.
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And then I am curious to know if you believe that number is high, the average amount per
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men, per male, per, you know, female, and then we can have an honest conversation because
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Are you trying to say that modern society is not promiscuous?
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Just because you live somewhere does not make you promiscuous.
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Women will have a body count of 10 by the time they graduate high school.
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Not all women, not all women, but like a girl, a liberal girl.
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In 2026, a liberal girl who goes to like, uh, let's say a medium sized college by the
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Women do surveys are not helpful at all on this because you can't have a factual 10
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Have you ever slept with a man or done anything sexual with a man, uh, within 24 hours of
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So again, I'll explain to you personal character.
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You think that the majority name it because you just told me that I'm lying about when I'm
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about to, I'm about to, so yeah, the slander here is you're basically misrepresenting the,
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uh, the guest selection that we have on the show.
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You claim that the majority of the guests we've had on the show are sex workers.
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The minority of our guests are sex workers and we've taken statistics on this.
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It's 20, it's 15 to 20% of all our total guests are sex workers.
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Now you might look around and you're like, well, you go one, two, three, four, five here.
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Have you done a, uh, have you done record keeping?
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Have you looked back at all our shows and made a determination just because you see, hold
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If, if this panel was all black people, would that mean we've only brought black people
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So logically, just because, uh, we have sex worker, sex worker, sex worker, sex worker,
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The women who, um, who left were not sex workers.
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So actually we have a majority now, but the majority prior.
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I think it was like a family, it's like a family friendly.
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Maybe it's a gray area for her, but the other girl who left, not a sex worker.
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Uh, in any case, I don't see how that would establish.
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Well, the majority of the women tonight are sex workers.
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The majority of all the guests you've ever had on the show must be sex workers.
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I have not followed the whatever podcast from its initial stages.
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So maybe at the initial stages, it was a lot less, you know, uh, I guess the percentage
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of women that work in the sex industry, it was a lot less.
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But as the podcast went on, then maybe you realized you probably get a lot more views
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It's so impossible to argue with somebody like this.
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Our most, I mean, this is the metric I would use.
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Our most viral moments were not with women who were sex workers.
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Some of our best discussions were not necessarily with women who were sex workers.
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And I'm providing the facts to you directly as the person who oversees the show, who does
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the guest booking, who does the guest procurement.
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Which is still much higher than the less than 1% of women that actually are sex workers.
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Thank you for shifting the goalposts, Maude and Bailey.
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Although technically, if you, if you're looking at like the, between the ages of 18 to 25,
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This podcast misrepresents the actual amount of women that do have these kinds of backgrounds.
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You said that the podcast does not adequately represent the amount of total women who are
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But what is the amount of sex workers in the age demographic that Brian has on?
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Because that would be the real question, wouldn't it?
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So let's assume that the average age of the woman who comes on here is between 18 and 22.
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Do you think that the odds of them being a sex worker greatly decrease when you're not
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actually modeling that against the entire population of women, but only to 18 and 22
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So how could you say it's an overrepresentation?
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Because most women that are, yeah, most of the women that do work in the sex industry
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So how do you know, what, can you look up real quick, Brian, what is the actual percentage
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of women in that age bracket who are sex workers?
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Women between the ages of 18 to 24, 10% of them have only fans or are sex workers.
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That sounds like a very over, that sounds like a wrong statistic and an over-exaggeration.
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But I would, I don't have a laptop in front of me or my phone to verify those claims.
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We, she has to question all of our stats, but we have to unquestioningly, unquestioningly
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accept every single bullshit that she spews.
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But can you, can you at least admit that within that age group, it's going to be much higher
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than the sample against the entire population of women?
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Yes, because women are more attractive, very attractive at that age.
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Then how would you even know if it's an over-sampling in comparison to the age group, which is most
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Percent of women, 18 to 24, who do only fans?
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Yeah, well, we'll just keep it to only fans, which would probably lower the percentage.
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My AI overview here says, recent data estimates that approximately 1.2 to 1.4 million women
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aged 18 to 24 in the U.S. are active creators on only fans.
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This represents roughly 10 to 14% of all women in that specific age group.
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Some social posts and community estimates suggest that around 1.2 to 1.4 million American women
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If you assume there are about 10 to 10.7 million U.S. women in that age group, that would
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Wow, that sounds like it's completely a representation then, doesn't it?
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I will admit, I thought the number was a lot lower.
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And by the way, it's actually even better because not all of the OF girls who come on
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So because of that, it actually would lower the amount of only fans girls in that percentile.
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So it actually is very possible that he roughly has exactly the representation of only fans
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girls on versus not only fans girls for the age demographic.
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Well, not if you count the age bracket of women that you have here.
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So why don't you increase the age bracket and check the percentage again?
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Okay, so then it seems like you're representing it just...
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So again, out of the women here, we go up to the age of 36.
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So why don't you put that same age bracket right now on your laptop?
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If I'm going to engage, can you guys just let me speak and you don't have to chatter?
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Your original claim, which was false, was that I'm suggesting that the majority of women are
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sex workers or that the majority of the guests that we have on this show are sex workers.
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But it's definitely an over-representation of sex workers naturally.
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But so even if it's 5% over, it's like, so who gives a fuck?
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So let's put the bracket then between 18 to 36.
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I'm not interested in exploring the data further.
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And actually looking up the number, I think it'd be closer to maybe 5% or 2% of the population.
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Not 80-year-olds, but you have on average up to 40 maybe on this podcast.
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But I'm not attempting to paint women in this light as if they're all sex workers.
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I can sit here right now, so if you're just curious as to my actual position, the majority
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If we were to look at a different age range, 18 to 34, 40, whatever, it's a small minority
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By the way, guys, 70% of women are degenerate OnlyFans girls.
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So you're contending with a position that isn't even forwarded by me.
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I say that this show over-represents the amount of women in the industry.
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In my research of your podcast and watching different videos and clips, I personally just
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noticed that there were a lot of sex workers.
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And I thought that maybe you cast sex workers, preferably because it is, you know, entertaining
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Because it's a huge sampling of the population who are in dating age of 18 to 26.
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It's a massive, massive, massive percentage of the population of women who are in the dating
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So not only is it not a massive over-representation, which we just literally established five seconds
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ago, because we know the percentage of total sex workers who have been on.
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We could even reduce that by 18 to 26, and it would still be less.
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If somebody on the street asked me, hey, can you describe the whatever podcast?
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Do you think that it'd be wrong and people would just, you know, say that, no, they don't
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bring a greater representation of sexual workers?
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What's disingenuous is making an appeal to majority.
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Wait, can I say, wait, I got the perfect thing.
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So if I were to poll the majority of people in California as to, do you think that Trump
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So just because, like, if I were to poll the majority of Californians, hey, do you think
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like ICE is, there's like massive amounts of like misconduct amongst ICE law enforcement
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officers, and they're like, yeah, I think that there's a lot of, there's a lot.
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Would that actually prove that it's true or mean it's true?
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The fact that just because a majority of people say that they believe Trump is a grapist, it
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Just like if you have a larger representation of women with a sex background, it doesn't
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mean that most women are promiscuous as a whole.
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Your argument that you forwarded was, well, do you think if I ask people on the street,
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you know, what they think the whatever podcast is about, and if it has like a whole bunch
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of OnlyFans girls on it, and it's like the majority.
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So if people out there on the street say, yes, I think that the majority of the women
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who go on the whatever podcast are OnlyFans girls, does it mean it's true?
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You're telling me it's not true because based on the entirety of the show's history, that
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has not been the case, and you have the stats, so you could be right.
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Okay, from the shows that most people have seen recently, I'd say that the brand of this
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podcast is having women with a background in some kind of sex.
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How could that possibly be the brand if the minority of our guests are sex workers?
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The majority of our guests are not sex workers.
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But so, okay, you do acknowledge that even if that's the perception, perception doesn't
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Why would you have forwarded the argument of, well, what do you...
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You can't possibly believe this, because now the logical entailment of your argument
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is tens of thousands of people are going to think you're a hooker.
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Then why are you on a podcast where everybody thinks only hookers go on the podcast?
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Why would you go on a podcast that you think has the PR that only hookers go on if you didn't
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want people to think you were a fucking hooker?
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Because you sporadically do have women that aren't hookers.
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Boy, look at that big brain on tab over here.
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Yeah, tell us all about how the PR here is actually not that it's full of hookers.
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She's debated for 12 years, but she doesn't know what's going on.
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I'll help fix your PR issue if you pay me for it.
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There's a PR issue that we can't have or you wouldn't be here because people would think
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I like going into the wolf stunts if you can't tell.
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Do you want people to think you're a hooker?
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You don't always agree with the host's delivery.
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When it comes to certain topics like the hotness scale settings, you said that you're a solid
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Uh, I'm majoring in computer science, uh, minoring in cyber security.
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Uh, you write yourself, or you describe yourself as a sweet but dominant tatted porn star goddess.
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You write, give me every drop of your beta cum.
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Usually they, like, ask for it and they'll, like...
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Eat it out of a peanut butter jar or something?
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You, like, tell them where to do it and then they eat it off that object or whatever.
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We're just facilitating their, the experience that they want to experience.
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You can tell they're a little bit ashamed after they ask for stuff like that sometimes.
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You talked earlier about you were a sugar mama to your last boyfriend for three years.
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Okay, but he was sleeping with other girls, too?
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And he was hiding stuff from me and sleeping with people that, like, raw.
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He slept with about, like, ten girls behind my back before I found out.
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So, okay, your open relationship, the, the agreement was, we disclose.
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Well, it wouldn't be cheating, but it would be...
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I'm not going to argue with you too much, but I wouldn't consider it cheating, but what
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You went from dating men living in trap houses to riding on private jets.
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Wait, you've dated millionaires twice your age, who you were introduced to by your sugar
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baby boyfriend, and you ended up dating him for two years.
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You were very spoiled, but he was also very crazy.
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You know, he wasn't too crazy, but he was definitely not.
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Courtney, you said you don't agree with the host delivery when it comes to certain topics
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I did want to go back to that briefly here for the 9.9, the 10, the 8, the 8, the 9.
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I'm just going to focus on the 9.99, the 10, and then the 9 over there.
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So, can you tell me a woman who you think is a 9.99?
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Like, young Megan Fox, young, like a woman?
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Please tell me a woman who you think is a 10.
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Can you tell me a woman who you think is a 9?
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Now, those of you watching, drag a window and put Angelina Jolie's face like right next
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Now, can you, while looking into that camera, can you do me a favor?
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More, more, more, more, and then turn your face the other way?
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Part of the reason, too, I didn't want to rate on a scale is, I don't know, when you
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were asking them, who do you think is a 10, the first person that came to mind for me
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I've always loved her so much and looked up to her.
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And it's sad to see, like, a beautiful girl like this go and call herself a 4.5 when, if
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any guy sees her on the street and wouldn't drop his draw to the floor, he needs to get
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Regardless, like, when you're in love with someone, like, I've been in love with somebody
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who, when I first met him, I wasn't as attracted to him.
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But when we were in a relationship, he was a perfect 10 to me.
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Yeah, it's, it's, it's not a dispute, so to say, but I think that love is, is more
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I believe that over time, of course, you can become more or less attracted to a person.
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But we're, all the time that we're probably ever going to spend for the rest of our lives
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And so what you do is you're like, okay, that's 99.99999% of people you'll ever engage
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So because of that, we can make value judgments and assessments based on appearance and what
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we see and how we perceive the beauty standards that other people see each other as too.
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Know this for sure, because I've now talked with all of you.
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So I know that you know what I'm saying is true.
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That it is, in fact, the case that all of you can take a look at a chick and the second
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she's not in the room, go, oh, that bitch is nasty.
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She should be doing something else with those.
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How many of you have ever criticized the appearance of a woman when she left the room?
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A woman has never left the room and you've criticized her.
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No, I've thought that maybe they could have dressed better or...
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I will add that if we're friends, I'll tell her to her face.
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How can you judge and assess the beauty of your friends and other women and stuff?
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It's not about assessing their beauty, but maybe her hair is messed up or she's got broccoli
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We don't know what's your overall assumption that women are just bitchy and catty with each
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Well, they are, but I'm going to tell you that here's what my actual assumption is.
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My actual assumption is that human beings criticize each other consistently and constantly.
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And for women, there's a good reason why both sexes do this.
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One reason that women like to play the compare and contrast game is because it's one of the
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For men, one of the reasons that we do it is because it enhances cooperation and male
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We call each other the F-slur or horrible to each other.
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You know, if I have a friend who's really hurt, the first thing I do is laugh and then we render
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I mean, all of you know that what I'm saying is accurate, okay?
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If you know, if you have hung around men for any length of time, all they do is give each
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I stepped out so I didn't know the original premise of this conversation.
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I'm assuming without the beard, it's lower, I would imagine.
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I think you have nice blue eyes and I tend to be more attracted to men that have darker
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Man, Angelina Jolie thinks you're a seven.
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So, you know, it's, yeah, she would be settling for me, though.
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Really quick, though, Nathan, just, I want to pull up the Discord.
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Yeah, and then click on the, scroll up a little bit.
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The first girl there, next to, yep, click that.
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Next, that's Evangeline, I forgot her last name.
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So all very attractive women, those are eights and nines.
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You know, I want to say some of those women, okay.
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Let's use Adriana Lima, though, that second girl that we saw.
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Wait, hey, can we get on the right angle, please?
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I would say my flaws are like the little indent in my nose.
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I think I only have a couple of flaws on my face, personally.
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All right, this is what men are dealing with in the dating landscape.
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This is why it's so difficult to date, because basically you have women who have an overinflated
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sense of their attractiveness, and they basically look at men who are actually on their level,
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Women will think that they're settling for a guy, but it's actually just that they're delusional.
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I would like to add that I've dated men that I deem less attractive than I am.
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Yeah, and she was also married to Billy Bob Thornton, or dated Billy Bob Thornton.
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He's somewhat attractive, but they are a huge difference in attractiveness.
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Angelina Jolie dated down with Billy Bob Thornton.
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No, I feel like he would be settling for me a little bit.
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Tell me a guy who you think is a 9.99, a guy who you think is a 10, and a guy who you
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Do a Google image search of John Summit, please.
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Well, you're going to change that after I give the rating.
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And I don't even think that the age gap between George Clooney and I is that big.
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Your looks league is famous actor, heartthrob, sexiest man alive, George Clooney.
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Well, he was, I think, a magazine many years ago voted him sexiest man alive.
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People magazine, fucking 98 or some bullshit.
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I, like I said, I think my only flaws are my, the bags under my eyes and my...
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This is why, like, all women are delusional in, you know, in giving themselves a rating.
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If we rewind back three minutes, that's what you said.
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See, this is why, you know, men are having problems dating because...
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No, generalities are completely acceptable when you're talking about general principles.
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I don't think most women are delusional about their personal appearance.
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Yes, I would argue most women are delusional.
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I disagree about your disagreement about disagreeing.
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One point about that delusion, though, that isn't bad for men.
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Of course, there are women who are reasonable, who are humble, who are self-aware, who have
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a reasonable degree of being able to self-assess their physical attractiveness.
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In fact, earlier I said, Anya, I think she underrates herself.
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So it's not like I'm like, all women are just totally delusional.
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But you would agree that if 30%, 40%, 50%, 60% of women, and look, I don't know the exact
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number, are over-inflating their own self-assessment of how attractive they are, yeah, that's going
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to have massive impacts when it comes to dating.
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In the same way that if me over here, now here's where this is going to get interesting.
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If I were to say, I'm just as good looking as prime Brad Pitt, as prime Johnny Depp, as
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prime Leonardo DiCaprio, all of you guys would be, internally, because I feel like you won't
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confront me on it, internally, you'd be like, look at this fucking chubby dude.
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We know, we know, we know, you would never, you would never.
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I also, I want to say that just because I rate myself highly doesn't mean that I write
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off men that I'm not, aren't necessarily conventionally attractive, right?
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I've dated men shorter than me, the same height as me, taller than me.
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If you said he's like Leonardo DiCaprio, is he delusional?
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I really can't grab the belly when you're on top.
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I'm like below, I'm below, I give myself a 4.5.
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I'm below average looking in no world, and I, am I anywhere near Brad Pitt?
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And I acknowledge that, but I don't, it's not like, I'm, oh, I'm so down on myself because,
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Um, and I have other appealing characteristics.
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Uh, however, yeah, looks wise below, like below average, below average.
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Maybe I could even get back to 5.5, maybe even a 6 if I got really trim, you know, and
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I, maybe my skin right now is all fucked up.
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I don't know if I've been eating too much junk food or.
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And she'll cook cucumbers on my eyes and give me a massage.
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I feel like she just eats raw foods or she doesn't have to cook it for her man.
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I was eating it all raw and he would eat it all cooked.
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So I'd spend an evening cooking him a meal, cooking bread too.
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I need you guys to affirm my identity as somebody as attractive as Brad Pitt.
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Do you want everybody's honest opinion about personality though?
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Do you want everybody's, yeah, I understand I'm an abrasive person.
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Now, to be fair, to be fair, doing this show is stressful.
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If I have a girlfriend, you might think, Brian, you're incredibly disagreeable.
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When I'm at peace at home with my girl, it is smooth sailing.
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I'm not, I'm not, I'm actually in interpersonal relationships, private interpersonal relationships.
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Like, what does that mean that you're not into?
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But you're going to say, okay, well, Brian, you were sassy tonight.
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You partially crashed out, which is probably true.
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Hey, look, look, we all have our moments, right?
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However, this wouldn't be representative of how I am privately or individually.
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I wouldn't know, but this has been in, like, what, a seven-hour podcast, and I haven't had
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Well, you're the, you're the type of abuser that, like, pushes buttons, and, like, internally
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you're like, oh, yeah, I'm getting a rise out of this guy.
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Who's that comedian who's, like, females be, like, habitual, oh, no, it's Dave Chappelle.
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But, look, yeah, you're a button pusher, lady.
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I think that you've, I think that, I think you've had multiple crash outs.
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I think that just because you, if you, if you just say, oh, well, I have a calm demeanor
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while I'm completely prattling about fucking nonsense to the point where nobody else get
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a word in edgewise while they're talking, I think that that's crash out.
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I think people can rewind and check for themselves.
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People, I promise there will be plenty of clips of this.
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I can 100% guarantee you there will be plenty of clips.
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That's one of the things we signed on the, on the disclosure for.
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Your TikTok thumbnails have been interesting lately.
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To enlarge the girl's breasts, even though they're covered up on the show, for the most
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I mean, ultimately, we, so we, we, uh, my, my editor ran a one week experiment.
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Uh, it was super cringe, but I was like, and, uh, yeah, so we, we, not just the, like
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We gave people like funny expressions and you see this implemented on YouTube thumbnails.
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Uh, it was, uh, it was like a YouTube experiment.
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Uh, no, actually we, did we do it on some YouTube clips?
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Maybe, but, uh, it was an experiment to see like what, what you could do to like boost
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But I want to take the bait though, real quick, Brian.
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I think that when I'm not debating people that try to divide the sexes, I am an, I'm
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In fact, in fact, in fact, I actually have proof of this quantifiable proof.
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Did you know that back in 2013, 2013, I competed in a beauty pageant and I was actually voted
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So imagine out of a competition with girls that are competing with each other, that they
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So I have actual evidence of that being the case.
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It was called the Christina Giannolo award, um, spirit of Ms. Florida.
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I knew for some reason, something in me told me that you were going to say a 10 out of
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I don't know how I knew, but something told me you were definitely going to make a 10 out
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Wait, let's ask the female panelists here.
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Do you guys, what do you, Anya gets to go first.
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Rate her, her, I guess her personality as presented on the show.
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Don't take offense to this because I only know you from the show.
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Just your personality, not your looks because your looks are completely different.
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Uh, what do you guys, ah, no, they're not going to be, I don't think anybody's going to
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Oh no, um, okay, since we're not talking about like, we're talking about personality and
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not like certain debating skills, although I think you're amazing, but I'm not going
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to give it a 10, I'm not going to give it a 10, but your personality wise, I think you
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have a beautiful personality and I give you a 9.99.
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We had a conversation, what, maybe what 30 minutes prior to, um, you know, roughly we
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However, there is certain topics in here where it went from, okay, she seems kind of cool.
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I would never have a political conversation with you ever.
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However, I would say in this room, when we entered this door and you started talking,
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I would say like a negative one, but I mean, I think, yes, I'll sign here.
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What surprised do you, the fact that the sex is on the joint range?
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I was surprised, I was surprised by your opinions because, um, you categorize yourself as a traditional
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woman and have worked for Charlie Kirk, yet you do actually advocate for women having their
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Um, but I guess if I were to rate it, I would just say seven.
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Um, and I only bring you down a couple of points because there was like a lot of just
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It is interesting because we're all critiquing you from different perspectives.
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Are you going to start asking us award questions?
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How is it, you know, you're, you're this lovely Latina.
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Uh, you should, we should have her back with, do you know Alex Stein?
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That was the, yeah, that's his thing because of Ocasio Cortez.
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Okay, uh, I'm going to give super fast looks ratings, just face, not factoring in body.
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It is a bit difficult with the makeup on, so, uh, yeah.
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I'm going to have you turn that way and then that way I'll have all of you do it.
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I've, I've had Botox in my forehead, um, around my eyebrow.
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I just, like, my eyebrow was, like, it twitches.
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So, like, it helped me, like, stop with my tic.
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I, me personally, aesthetically speaking, I'm not a fan of lip filler.
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I think I want to give you, uh, you're wearing, you're wearing fake lashes?
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I'm not requesting it, but feel free to if you want to give your opinion.
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Well, you're, you have about, like, three pounds of makeup on, so it's going to be, like, really hard to give a assessment.
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Again, I'm not requesting this assessment from you.
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So, again, it's really hard to rate with, uh, makeup on.
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And I'm not going to rate you lower just because you pretty much gave me an aneurysm all night.
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I wouldn't just be, like, you're a fucking one.
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I think, I think it's actually more degrading that women don't feel comfortable.
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Looks like you've had some Botox maybe in the face, too.
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I'll just say, I think I'm going to go ahead and say 5.
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Uh, you, oh, I should have repeated your guys' ratings to you.
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I'll just, for the sake of my editor here, uh, you gave yourself a 9.99.
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Um, I said, I think I had a, uh, in California, I'm a 4, or excuse me, I think 3.5.
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Look, you and me, we suffer from the same problem as, uh, and I'm, this isn't directed as an insult.
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I think you have, like, your base face is, uh, has some strike, uh, I shouldn't say, that has, uh, some positive aesthetic components to it.
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But you and me, we're both, you know, we got it, we're a little chubby, you know.
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So I think when you're chubby, again, not saying that as an attack, but that's going to have an impact on your facial aesthetics, your facial attractiveness, uh, facial puffiness.
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And it is going to have an impact on facial ratings.
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So I, I think I'd say, uh, uh, 4.25, I want to say.
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Uh, no, I, I'm not going to go, like, into giving positives and negatives.
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Um, can you scoot into the table just a little bit, just so I can see in the, in the thing.
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Um, you have very strong feminine dimorphism.
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So you have very, which is a positive thing.
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So like, for example, uh, she has more softer features, I would say, which is, uh, like a woman can be beautiful, but have like more sharp stripe, um, sharper angular features.
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But she has a more like, but, but that 10 tends to be a more like trait that is appreciated in men.
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So she has, she has strong, uh, feminine dimorphism, which means a bit more, um, softer features, I guess you could say, which is not a bad thing.
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Um, anyways, uh, I will stop prattling on here.
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I think I would give you, can you look into the camera right now for me?
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What about the fact that she's a ginger and so has no soul?
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Does that mean you could sell them without having like any emotional consideration if they have no soul?
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I'll wait until, uh, that girl returns, I guess, and then we'll do that.
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A underscore and the mum underscore bear donated $69.
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Sorry, Andrew, but your appearance didn't hold the viewers.
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Uh, Anya, speaking of, can I have you read this one?
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Would be far more interesting to hear the views of others on the panel.
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I honestly don't think I would have just flown out just for this podcast, though.
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Oh, for fuck's sake, stop letting the TPUSA reject dom the convo.
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She's actually outperforming the fem doms by trolling this whole time.
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I don't want her to read his obit afterwards or anyone reading mine after watching it.
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If needing ad revenue this bad, get out of California.
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Unless you're scared of debating a bunch of feisty Latinas that are very, very, you know,
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culturally and socially conservative, but also have a mouth on them.
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I've been down there debating them all the time on Fresh and Fit.
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The Santa Barbara girls are way more brutal.
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But like when you get the California like feminist college liberal chicks, they present way more like, again, no shade of Fresh and Fit.
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But yeah, like this idea that like the panelists in Miami are going to be better.
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Traditional Cuban women, they'd come on and be like, you need to shut your mouth.
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They'd be like, you need to shut your mouth, you feminist nonsense.
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I would never tell anybody to shut their mouth, but we do speak out.
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Andrew, do you still want a 1v1 with our homegirl here?
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Just to, you know, since it's public right now, when I was writing back and forth, and
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I think it was with Nathan that I was chatting back and forth, or it was with you.
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Well, you know, you mentioned if you get invited back, then travel accommodation.
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And so I will come back, but my time is valuable, and I'm here because I was originally here.
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No, I'll be happy to come, but travel accommodations are, can you guys not afford that right now?
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But all travel accommodations have to be paid for.
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Well, I mean, look, the people are going to criticize.
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I think that just means you're scared to have me back on.
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But anyways, that can be figured out after the show.
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That does have to be compensated, not just travel accommodations.
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So just into the mic, into the mic, into the mic.
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Now, some of these I'm just going to point to you, and it's not everyone's going to answer.
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Hawaii is the country that borders the good British class.
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So, so you, uh, you named one, which you said Mexico, correct?
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Well, I guess it depends, like, orientation or whatever.
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He really wasn't teaching us much, but, I mean, I should have learned, like, more, but.
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I've only left the country one time this last December.
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I knew you were gonna, you know, get me with the, how many planets.
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I don't know nothing about no fucking planets.
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Was that racist that I asked the Lebanese girl?
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What country, for you, what country, okay, get ready.
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If you go far enough north, like, don't you get to, yeah.
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Yeah, you get to, yeah, so she could have just named anything south of Mexico, too, before
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But then at that point, does navigation, like, direction just mean nothing?
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Well, I mean, if you skip the whole middle section to get to Canada, I feel like it doesn't.
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So, it would, like, yes, technically it's true, but it, you know, it's like.
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Yeah, but I feel like if you can just skip one and then say, well, technically Canada is
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north, then if I'm, like, I could just skip it then and be like, well, technically New
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Even if there was no directly, I think the question would still.
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What country gifted the Statue of Liberty to the USA?
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I mean, it's in the Middle East, but I don't know if that's like the formal name.
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It's like right in the middle of all three of them.
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But technically it's on the continent of Africa.
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What country is immediately south of the United States?
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If today is Monday, what day is it in three days?
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If you have three quarters, how much money do you have?
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How many branches of U.S. government are there?
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Name one branch of the U.S. government for you.
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Well, I was thinking Supreme Court, but that's not it.
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I remember this in eighth grade, but it never stuck, I guess.
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It's so brutal to do this as the final questions, too.
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The Bill of Rights, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights that precedes it.
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The 2000, not the 20th century, the 2026, yeah, 20th century.
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Okay, so decades, 10 years, so that's, uh, what, 120, 12 times?
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What country did the U.S. gain its independence from?
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I'm just joking, I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking.
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What country did we gain our independence from?
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You know, World War, you know, Germany was, Germany.
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You know, those French, those dirty French.
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Who was, who was the first president of the USA?
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How many days of the week end with the letter Y?
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Wait, pull up a, can you pull up the Twitch tab really quick?
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That's like, that's over a thousand bucks, bro.
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Guys, if you're on Twitch, you know, look, DPG's a fucking legend, but we still need your
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This is a very involved production, very time intensive, money intensive to run this
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If a dozen eggs costs three dollars, how much is each egg?
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If a dozen eggs cost three dollars, how much is each egg?
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So if a dozen eggs cost three dollars, how much is each egg for one egg?
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So the whole dozen is three dollars, so twelve divided by three.
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don't make me press a button i want to say four cents but i don't think four cents
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no damn those are good prices where you find your eggs damn shit hook it up not in california
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hook up uh rod yeah i know where to get good eggs you got the hookup i do i mean probably
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the chicken she's got a chicken coop probably uh okay what is the closest star to earth for you um
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vega huh vega what huh v-e-g-a vega yeah i don't know
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it's not vega it's not i stare at it so we'll look at it every day okay it's pretty close
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congratulations what country is the panama canal in
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is it i don't know if it's the which because i'm thinking what continent is it africa is it in
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could be africa could be europe no it's could be
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but it's you said it could be in the u.s you said country not continent
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no no i'm just saying but it's on it could be a country within those continents i think it's it i know
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i think it's in africa but i'm trying to think of what what country it is
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okay so if the panama canal is in egypt which country is the suez canal in
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i don't know i don't know is it in panama no is the suez canal in
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are you giving me a clue is that yes yes if the panama canal is in egypt
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wait is that suez canal i think you're confusing her more
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yeah what country is the panama canal in panama i don't know
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yeah yeah uh what is what is 34 plus 66 oh i thought you said 33
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before you answer what's your answer 99 104 104 uh what's your answer 100
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what uh where did the attack on pearl harbor take place
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pearl harbor actually correct yes i would have accepted hawaii but pearl harbor is acceptable
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what country or hold on what is 100 minus 66 44
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34 there you go uh what what country did the vietnam war
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i got some fucking genius iq here oh my god these girls are really doing really good
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yes you are correct who is the current u.s do i pick on the canadian
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i think everyone knows who is the current u.s president oh my god i don't know wait wait wait
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it was okay so i think it might be trump now right okay yes okay
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i don't even know who the prime minister is right now i'm not gonna lie name the last three u.s presidents
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no maybe she got it right i'm just asking other people
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uh what what is uh if you were born if you were born 10 years ago how old would you be today
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what was can you repeat the answer that you gave
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if i had been born 10 years ago what age would i be
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or sorry you're 32 or you're 32 so if you were born 10 years ago you'd be 22
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10 years oh 10 years ago with 10 years less no 10 years ago i would be
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let's see that would be we're in 2026 i would have been born in 2016 at 2016
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i was actually that was the year i graduated college so i was yeah 22 years old
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if i had been born 10 years ago i would be 10 years old
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good good good gotcha i know that's the one clip you're gonna play out of all this
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can you can you name me the four cycles of the women's menstrual cycle still
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because this is still a dating podcast and you still haven't been
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you know it's funny she's upset that i'm asking these questions but she asked me
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she asked me uh the the thing about the the four phases
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because it's the essential part of being a woman
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yeah it's essential to being a woman and this is a dating podcast
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do you know the three phases of the man i was gonna say i might be wrong but i'm
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you didn't even know you know how long it takes
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no but you didn't even know you know how long it takes for a man to you know
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sperm for procreation and this is again a dating podcast and so i feel like i know
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more about i don't think he's getting ready to procreate right now
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then no i then well it's a dating podcast right
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there's nothing more essential to being a woman
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you could just google it you could have googled it in this entire time since the
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first time i asked you do you know what the four are
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don't really care oh i'm sure you don't care don't really
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why why do they need to why does it have to i mean it doesn't have to but it
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does affect you for a more successful relationship
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wait wait wait i'm still finishing up the questions
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and i need to try two hours and i haven't slept
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the the that's one of them i get before we get sidetracked with that
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i'll finish up the questions uh okay if you uh wait did i do this oh
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you guys are correct congratulations going on three what is 66
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so uh let me just hear let me when i say decade what i'm at
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uh 1840s 1890s 1950s so i'm looking for just the decade not the years
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she thinks she knows the dates obviously she might be mistaken
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what was the primary decade of world war ii going this way skipping on you
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like are we talking 1930s pre america the u.s entering
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world war ii was occurring prior to america's entry
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it's been a long time since i've been in history class
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and this question will only be asked for two people
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i'll give you one allied power and i'll give you one axis power
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give me a different allied power and a different axis power
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says is insane and ridiculous but i thought
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who could have possibly come up with that idea
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give me credit are you kidding me i'm insulted brian check the stream ridiculous ridiculous
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not me have i ever plugged my shit on here that's all good except for
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that's cool that's cool have you ever cat called somebody with that um i want to be cat called
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but you like that i think i have quite a few times i'll be honest i thought that's what you
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i felt like yeah i felt like guys didn't get cat called enough so i was driving around with my
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friend and we went and followed them around but they all really liked it assy quality they liked
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assy quality yeah they like it for it yeah that's how it was supposed to be all right drayna
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drayna like sienna but with a dray in front and i've spelled it out for you right here i don't know
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there we go are you sure it's not drayno drayno drayno the swamp
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brian i think i'm gonna hey yo we're almost done
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whatever time this is not like normal time this is like every conversation i've ever had with
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my ex-girlfriend you're driving us to la now are you almost done
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all right uh just kidding joke terrible joke okay uh previously married you can speak a bit
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on that uh ideal topic would be breaking down exactly why people aren't getting married
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uh while we that's a little long we talked about that i'll come back and uh we'll do on that
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we'll we'll definitely have you on with we should have you on uh debate andrew uh interesting topic
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i guess that the causes of the male loneliness epidemic kind of already hit on that um my hot
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take i haven't gone over that we have it no it's a it's on there hot take hot take uh is it related
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to the male loneliness epidemic no it's related to running background checks on people oh yeah yeah
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well um man it's a good way to vet your person before ever going on a date with them like pay 25
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dollars to a subscription to do background checks on dates i would do that yeah um moving it on uh
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you wanted to speak on the topic of modern dating being unlike anything we've ever seen before not
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because women are less traditional than before it has everything to do with millennials being the
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first generation to have equal rights with the sexes you mentioned women weren't allowed to own
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credit cards which we kind of touched on get alone before the 1974 equal credit opportunity act
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uh you write since men and women are both finally recently able to be financially independent
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the reason why people get into a relationship get married is completely due to consent and mutual
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benefit respect and we have a loneliness epidemic because many people still expect dating to be
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like how previous generations had it talked a bit about that um you think the government is
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complicit in the disaster that we see in dating today as in they've purposely pitted these sexes against
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each other for their own benefit um and they've created a system that makes it incredibly difficult
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to have a successful marriage i would agree uh making it very difficult to afford a family on a single
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income i would agree love to break down exactly why this is and what we can't do to overcome it
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we agree on so much see yeah we're bffs best friends best friends did you want to elaborate on
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on the last part yes well you said we had 10 minutes and it's already been like five but i'm happy
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to i actually would have had to leave but my flight keeps getting delayed so i can i can i can make it
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but yes i'm happy to elaborate on that i think that in the past uh people a family could be sustained
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on a single income and unfortunately that is not the case anymore because the politicians that have
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sold out our interest in favor of themselves getting richer and to gain more power and it is
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in their vested interest that two people in a household be in the workforce so that they can
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get more in tax revenue and as a result you have most adults that are in relationships uh in the
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workforce and kids being shipped off to government schools as a result so this is breaking down the
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nuclear family in different ways i think it's very hard for two people working nine to fives
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monday to friday to spend a lot of quality time with each other um there's again this is a topic that
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i wanted to talk about in detail throughout the show but i'll come back and elaborate on it more
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but yes that's that's that's who i'm trying to say is the ultimate culprit behind a lot of this
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battle of the sexes it is uh it has been the government's interest to dissipate the nuclear family
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and we've fallen for that trap for that for that bait i also think that uh since this is the
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reality that we live in where it's difficult to live in a on a one single income and have a whole
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family on one income then uh traditional gender roles and what men's responsibilities are and women's
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responsibilities are within a household have changed so if you have two working adults then both working
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adults should be able to cook be able to clean be able to share those kinds of responsibilities
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it's just the reality of what we live in right now i gotta be honest i have no more fight left in me
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i would i would so debate you on all this but i another time i'll be back i'll be back good
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now i've been sapped i've been sapped of my will to live will sorry will to fight it's completely
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sat i've got a lot of energy in me but i do have a fight to catch yeah yeah so we'll uh we'll get
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this here wrapped up here uh any final thoughts from anybody before we wrap up speak now forever
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save my notes for next time what's that save my notes for next time you barely you sent like one
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thing i sent in one note and i want to talk about it oh yeah what what is it well i don't want to talk
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about it now i'll talk about it next time it's just that it's just anya gertrude mcbeth gertrude
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mcbeth that's your middle name and last no definitely is ann marie nicole matusevich
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okay if you say so any final thoughts from anybody come on canada
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oh canada i think my i don't got much left to me either i got a final what do you think about
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fucking trump dunking on fucking trudeau what do you think about america winning gold in hockey
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over canada i mean the population of america is quite a lot bigger than canada so i mean i think
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the star players tend to go to american teams we're gonna annex canada i think that should
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and take alberta i've tried alberta because they're actually conservative over there and
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they actually have most of the resources oh wait we can do your thing really quick men's
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responsibility to take on the role of leading women towards goodness as men are the heads of
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household and typically in charge i think it's their role to fix the mom situation yes so i think i
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think i think women ruined a lot of it i think modern femininity was the downfall of society
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but i think do you mean femininity or feminism feminism sorry it's fucking 10 hours after
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feminism i think 11 now right i think i think feminism ruins society i think that's what really
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drove us apart entirely but i think men being the providers being the heads of household should
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lead women towards goodness and that doesn't mean that you should lead women that clearly have no
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potential towards it like if a woman is like there's no leading her towards goodness drop that
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and let them die out but the women that clearly have some kind of potential in them you should be the
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leader you should be the teacher fucking repeal the 19th around it so that they can't like influence
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the shitty stuff anymore and yeah lead them into it do you still agree do you still agree with her but
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i don't agree with repealing the 19th but i do agree with men leading and i'm being led by a wonderful
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man happily in a relationship why not repeal the 19th because i believe i have a good enough equal
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voice i mean i just wore out brian yeah but uh middle-aged young educated young um college educated
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women are the only people holding up the democrat party right now we need to stop i think education
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so so i think men do play have a have a role in bringing this country a very important role in
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bringing the country back we're so back we're gonna be so back but we're not back yet we're not so back
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but we will be back the issue is though is that in order to be able to lead you need to have people
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who are willing to follow and that's what i said don't do a woman that doesn't have potential and
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that doesn't have some potential of willing to follow but so it's like men we we've like abandoned
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the allowance to men's authority so basically women just they want to be 50 50 they want equal
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authority then fuck those women now can i like can we like make it maybe oscillating on the 19th like
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you can opt out because if you opt out that means you don't have to pay taxes no more most women
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didn't want the right to vote because that had to come with bucket duty i'll opt out and all these
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different things i want the right to vote well i'll tell i'll say two things on on the the voting
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thing most women do i don't want to pay tax that would be a great thing you don't have to vote to
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have the right to do something i don't want other women to vote so two two things here two things
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i don't want a lot of other men to vote either so are you pro literacy tests for voting um i am
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pro land ownership you should actually have some kind of stake in the government you should have
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some kind of actual reason to be voting if you're just living off of my wealth off of my tax dollars
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and you're not doing anything in this country so right now you don't why do you have why do you
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have a say i think it should be for taxpayers like people that are actually paying the property
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yeah why do you why do you because if you don't pay your property taxes then the government takes
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florida actually just voted against that yes but but well it's about to pass it still needs to go
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yeah even if something is taxed doesn't mean you don't own it well but i sort of in my definition
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i don't think i don't think you should have the right to vote i think voting is a privilege and i
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don't think most people should well here look i'm not going to go quite as far extreme as you
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and i'll give you two reasons uh well one i think optically it's like
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really bad and then two uh it's just not politically tenable why like so what do you mean why
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why does it look bad well and we won't be able to uh claw back i'm not saying we can't but i'm just
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saying that's the ideal it's just politically untenable so it's just like and it's such an
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optics l it's not even why is it an optics l it's a massive optics i think most of the people that i
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know agree that voting should be repealed to some extent so arguably for example if only men voted
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you just only have concern i'm not even saying men i'm not you'd only have conservative uh leadership
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in this country however optically even for conservative a lot of conservative women
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massive optic optic cell and um yeah because they're fun cons i i agree with the midpoint
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that one of you said here which is you shouldn't be able to vote if you don't pay taxes in any kind
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of way because you know no taxation without representation therefore no representation
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without taxation and i do think all taxation is theft really quick just to you got this
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that's why i'm a libertarian i'll make you some i'll make it what is the poutine can you make
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us coffee hey we got some pizza i'm gonna hook y'all up after the show trust me we want to go to bed
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after the show i'm so hungry i'm gonna have her cook me a raw steak cook you a raw steak it's not
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gonna be a raw steak anymore though well you'll present to me a raw steak with a chopped up steak with a
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with seasoning no do you want to practice the bow really quick sure we should all practice we can
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all practice yeah we all practice our bows okay can you rate our bows i i would brian i would bow
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out of here unless we're done with the show oh man it's i would crit see i would crit i have to fix
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the camera hold on it's okay no it's okay it's okay you didn't you didn't mean to uh here brb i got
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to fix the camera really quick but um i want you to rate our bows though no the with the voting thing
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i mean so look uh here's my contention though women have had the secured the right to vote with
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any corresponding responsibility in order for men to be able to vote they have to be subject to
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military potential subject excuse me subject to potential military conscription uh i believe
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as an egalitarian that we ought to equalize this requirement by taking out the draft no keep the
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draft because governments are not going to relinquish their ability to call upon its citizenry
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i think that's wrong well i don't think it it it is a it is a perhaps a sad reality of the world but
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governments are not going to relinquish their ability to call upon its citizenry in the event of
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some sort of there was a draft people would go like i don't think men would actually go to the
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men would definitely do it i mean also it's not just you don't you're forced to do it like in
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ukraine for example uh men definitely don't want to go the front lines of ukraine they were kidnapped
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you have yes you have military police abducting men yep it's ridiculous however i believe then if it
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if it is the case that we're never going to get rid of the draft because we aren't and currently as it
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stands men are subject to military conscription women should also be subject to military conscription
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and thus in that way women can retain the right to vote however if we're not going to have a serious
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conversation if the conservative position is no women should not be subject to military conscription
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then my position would thus be if women won't be subject to military conscription
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you repeal the 19th well women don't get the vote if they're not equal in that way no you said that
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because they don't have any responsibility as a result of being able to vote and i think that
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responsibility is you're paying your taxes so you can also pay taxes right so so we both have
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responsibility right so okay then let's do okay you know what and it's quite literally in the
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constitution you know no taxation without representation women pay taxes therefore
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we're represented well actually in totality uh women are net tax uh what's the right frame women are
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a net tax burden in totality are we really yep in total all women collectively are attack
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is that because we're taking into consideration all the illegal immigration that then takes up
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that would be the welfare system you're counting on those women as well all right which actually
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would make sense i don't even think so i think no no it's about it would make sense even citizens
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even citizens women are net negative when it comes to taxes well i would have to look up that
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statistic so so women take more from uh taxes than they put in how would that how would that be the case
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if they you know if they are having kids if they're working if they're in the workforce are we saying
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you know women that are claiming welfare because they have kids that are on welfare therefore they're
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the ones taking that welfare because the dad isn't in the picture so in this country right but we have a
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lot of broken families can you just ask it in chat jpt yeah we have a lot of broken families right a net
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tax men there's a lot of women that live as single mothers when those single mothers go
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claim benefits for their kids then yes they would be a tax burden because they are claiming welfare
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for their kids collectively but that is very disingenuous because they're doing that because the father
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is not in the picture so i think that's a terrible way of saying that women are more irresponsible
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well i didn't say that it's a bit besides the point though um my my position then is
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sure women do pay taxes however they don't have the same responsibility that men do as it relates
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to potential forced military conscription which i disagree with perhaps we can have women's voting
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power what do you think about that can have women as a voting power no have like in half cut their
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voting power no i i like it full yeah okay so again though there's an inequality that exists
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between men and women when you should bring that up with your fellow man you know why is it that
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you guys are sending each other to war that's such a feminist argument no it is not it's a it's a
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that's not true reality right actually you know what they found they did the study and they looked
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at monarchs they looked at uh female leaders throughout history women were actually much more likely to
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uh well excuse me queens were much more likely to wage war than kings go figure did they conscribe
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and they conscribed those people and their armies and if we knew more about their phases we would
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have known why they were doing it yeah but in any case look i'm fine i i don't think we should
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repeal women's right to vote nope what we need to do though in order for that to be to have that
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continue to be the status quo women need to be subject to military conscription what do you think
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about separating the military by gender as a whole and again i don't think that that argument helps
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i don't think it's irrelevant if you're drafting women i don't think that if you're drafting women
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yeah that argument doesn't help you seem scrappy you'd be fine in the military to our side i am
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pretty good with i'm a pretty good shot i will say that probably can't fight shots yeah but my first
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did you do you have it nathan the chat gpt look hey i could have been wrong on the stats but
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and it depends how you asked it no it is not accurate to say that women in the united states
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are categorically a net tax burden in the sense of paying less in taxes than they receive in
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government benefits simply because they are women the reality is more nuanced and depends on how taxes
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and government benefits are measured the specific program and differences in earnings employment and
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life cycle outcomes between men and women um available data women often receive more uncertain
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government benefits oh that's exactly the example i was giving for example unmarried women oh you just
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passed it lower tax payments and higher benefits because because so i it seems like it's affirming
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actually it seems like single fathers are the situation for that single fathers as in you know men that
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don't want to be present could we change it to women without children in chat gpt i don't know i
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don't even care that much to be honest but hey i'm willing to say i could i could have been wrong
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about it i'm willing to say that but in any case yeah women got to be drafted i'm drafting if i'm
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fucking president i'm drafting you just exclusively you you know what i'm sending you to afghanistan
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to take on the taliban taliban taliban i would i would probably take on a commander role i'd be happy
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taliban no we're you're you're gonna be uh a strategic minds in the fucking no no no i'll
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you're gonna be you're gonna be clearing minds in kabul oh no no no you're gonna be clearing
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minds in the deserts of fucking baghdad okay that's not our military thank you
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wait uh wait there's something we had to get in
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oh my gosh we're gonna do the oh i had to fix now i had to fix this but i guess you know what
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fuck it i'm not even gonna fix it i think i'm gonna keep it centered
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uh here uh nathan pull up twitch really quick this is our final thing and then we're
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wait hold on let me do twitch really okay uh guys final final please
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a grift my final grift of the night drop us a follow on twitch drop us a prime sub
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and uh show some support over there on twitch i'd very much appreciate it thank you guys very much
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appreciate it thank you uh yeah hot take go ahead okay i'm gonna look right in the camera for this
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one circumcision is genital mutilation and you should never do it to any baby
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to any baby ever to guys that have like closed up like penis holes and they like don't even have a
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hole there when does that happen i i see a lot of pieces and i've seen it a lot of times
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zip it on ya yo i'm trying to wrap are you guys you guys want to come back for the wave goodbye
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wave goodbye four skins are there for a reason i know can we do a bow
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let's do a bow goodbye a collective all right wait but you push the chairs back then oh i like
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that oh wait no i remember i wanted to do a curtsy goodbye i think that's appropriate
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we can bow out of here who's gonna bow okay well uh here go ahead how do we what's like the hand
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so the the hand posture has to be submissive so it's kind of like a demure demure submissive
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hand posture go ahead now that was like a collective battle oh we can do a wave oh my god
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oh we're doing we're doing the wave yeah what the fuck wait no like like about everything
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she's about to bang her head on the table the lower you go the more respect you gotta get your nose
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down to the girl oh whoa get low get low get low okay sit really quick just to find it finish up
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here sit back down here really quick guys uh because i was a dick tonight i want to give everybody
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a compliment at the end i want to give everybody a compliment i feel like that's fair um because i
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was a little sassy tonight okay all right uh let's see um you seem like a very sweet genuine person
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oh boy this is gonna um nose ring thing um you were a good sport you were a good sport and uh
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i'm sure you're a really good dominatrix she didn't say she wanted to slap me like the girls last time
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that is true yeah so flowers for that so good i'm proud of you for that um big d thank you big d over
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here um you've given me a lot of compliments though throughout this whole show at least ones that i
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personally think is uh big d you um you are so good at just you're such a good you're habitual
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button habitual line stepper oh uh charlie murphy the dave chapelle skit about uh rick james i'm rick
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james bitch uh habitual line stepper that that's where it's from okay um is that a compliment i think
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if you ever decide to become a politician i won't you will be you'll be you are so cut out for being
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a politician i don't know if you want to take that as a compliment though i will take it as a compliment
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even though i would but you just thank you just dodging fucking bullets and shit yeah you're good
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you're good you're sharp all right uh you you are my favorite canadian
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what i like most about you is how talkative you are
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uh no you you you honestly you didn't talk too much i feel like i don't know um
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these are the worst compliments ever by the way
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uh well forgive me for my trespasses for being a dickhead tonight
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i uh it was it was a it was a rough show for me so um
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uh if you're playing a pinball machine and you're angry
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you would like tilt literally tilt the pinball machine