Whatever Podcast - Andrew Wilson vs. Charlie (Feminist, Leftist) ｜ Rachel Wilson CRASHES Show？!

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00:00:44.100 without further ado i'm joined today by andrew wilson host of the crucible he is a blood sports

00:00:51.640 debater and political commentator also joining us today is charlie she received a master's degree

00:01:00.300 in fantasy literature from the university of glasgow and a ba in english from california state

00:01:07.780 university sacramento she's a political social commentator and content creator the topic today

00:01:14.880 is feminism i want a good clean debate no interrupting i need very good discipline

00:01:21.200 on this i will allow for some slight interrupting as is normal in conversation but excessive or

00:01:28.980 repeated interrupting will first result in a verbal warning excuse me followed by a yellow card

00:01:36.600 which mutes you for one minute or until your opponent yields their time

00:01:41.820 if this continues it'll be followed by a red card which mutes you for three minutes

00:01:47.200 until or until your opponent yields their time hopefully that won't be necessary there are no

00:01:56.640 opening statements straight to open convo let's get it on cool okay um i think first we ought to

00:02:04.440 agree on some definitions uh so feminism um the prompt was is feminism good for society

00:02:11.920 uh the definition i have here is from the oxford english dictionary feminism advocacy of equality of

00:02:19.200 the sexes and the establishment of the political social and economic rights of the female sex

00:02:23.840 are we in agreement on that no okay what's your definition of feminism feminism is the movement

00:02:30.340 towards egalitarian systems um and the deconstruction and removal of the patriarchy okay so it's my belief

00:02:39.720 that feminism cannot operate without an oppressor oppressed class worldview and if there's an oppressor

00:02:46.700 class that oppressor class has to be the patriarchy because who else could it be

00:02:51.100 um i think that that's fair but i do want to you know stipulate that like i i think that men are also

00:03:01.840 uh they also benefit from feminism and they're also oppressed under patriarchy is that is that

00:03:08.220 yeah i understand uh so your definition wouldn't you don't disagree with my definition you're just

00:03:13.260 clarifying a position on top of it which is that you think there is a patriarchy it's just that it's

00:03:19.360 also oppressive or beneficial to men as well all right i'm sorry oppressive to men as well yes yeah

00:03:24.100 okay so can we largely agree then that feminism is the an egalitarian movement which uh focuses on

00:03:32.600 equity egalitarianism and the removal of patriarchy okay so then i think we got the definition down there

00:03:39.980 pretty well oh okay um and then society i mean i think this one is pretty obvious but uh society this

00:03:48.940 is from uh merriam webster a community nation or broad grouping of people having common traditions

00:03:54.920 institutions and collective activities and interests when i say society what i'm going to be referring to

00:04:00.740 mainly is the united states i'm going to refer to my country my nation yeah is that acceptable sure

00:04:06.880 yeah okay so um i don't have any issues with that definition oh all right um and then i guess uh

00:04:15.180 gosh i really don't want to get into another meta-ethics debate about the word good oh what

00:04:20.760 is good yes what makes something good so when we're talking about good here why don't we just stick with

00:04:25.920 outcomes which are preferable to most people okay does that sound reasonable yes absolutely so outcomes

00:04:31.880 which are preferable to most people for the good so i understand that me you and i have different

00:04:38.260 viewpoints on what good good is but in like the good faith of not trying to bog the conversation down

00:04:44.100 into three hours of meta-ethical jumping jumping up and down um i'm fine with that too sure okay

00:04:51.440 awesome so i think we have our our definitions down pretty well cool okay so i'll let you open

00:04:58.440 with whatever you want to say all right so i guess we didn't technically have opening statements so i

00:05:03.260 suppose i will ramble um feminism is good for society because a society that allows people the

00:05:11.400 freedom to choose the life that they wish uh is a happier society um i believe that hierarchies

00:05:18.420 uh divide and weaken us okay

00:05:22.740 so the crux of your argument for feminism is that it's good because it allows for more choice

00:05:32.220 yes is that the crux am i getting that right i would say so okay i don't want to straw man it

00:05:37.700 so if you want to think about it for a second make sure um that that's what you mean by it or if

00:05:43.000 there's any addendums that you want to give to it i think uh freedom of of choice and uh egalitarianism

00:05:50.160 freedom of choice and egalitarianism okay

00:05:52.520 all right choice egalitarianism

00:06:00.040 now uh charlie were you um an advocate of the c19 lockdowns

00:06:12.180 covet 19 lockdowns um

00:06:15.820 yes i would i would say so but my stepfather is diabetic so i had a personal stake in it

00:06:27.280 um because i did not want him to you know as a diabetic he was more at risk can you tell me how

00:06:32.700 that helped with freedom of choice how that helped with freedom of the lockdowns because the lockdowns

00:06:37.720 seemed to me so i kind of give you my take when i think of like a fascist dystopia i think about things

00:06:47.380 like checkpoints state mandated garments state removing media independent media uh in order to have state

00:06:56.520 messaging i think of those types of things and those were all the things that i saw during the

00:07:00.660 lockdowns from the side of the leftist progressive and the feminist side and they all seem to be in

00:07:07.640 pretty good unison there and it seems like all that did was limit choice and so i wonder if there's not

00:07:14.120 a contradiction in your worldview where at the same time you love feminism because it expands choice

00:07:20.360 but at the same time supported lockdowns which definitely limited them i think that if we are

00:07:26.260 going to you know consider something being good on the basis of creating the most amount of good

00:07:34.380 possible i think that uh you mean the most amount of best outcomes possible yes but yes yes most

00:07:41.160 possible outcomes i do believe that for a specific period of time it was necessary to have everyone

00:07:49.780 including government officials uh you know do their best to not spread covet 19 um until we could

00:07:57.860 mitigate the the dangers okay i think that in some cases uh i i understand that many people grew very

00:08:05.620 frustrated very quickly after some time um but i do think that in cases of emergency when i would

00:08:13.260 uh when it comes down to freedom of choice we should have freedom of choice unless you are making

00:08:21.220 decisions that uh would um inhibit the freedom of choice that others have isn't that a paradox how so

00:08:31.320 how so isn't isn't this kind of the idea of the paradox of tolerance we should tolerate everything

00:08:38.520 except intolerance everyone has the freedom of choice except uh to uh inflict you know some type of

00:08:46.120 damage on other people's choices it's a isn't it kind of paradoxical so in other words i guess the

00:08:51.700 thing that's interesting about this this view is that you're telling me that limiting choice is necessary

00:08:58.540 for good outcomes uh i think in very very very extreme circumstances such as a uh a plague well

00:09:08.920 that's not a plague right it's just a virus it's a virus but i mean a lot of people were dying very

00:09:15.220 few i mean very few people total were dying right it was pretty freaky yeah i mean it was mostly like

00:09:21.720 fat people and really old people who were dying i think that even fat people and old people um i would

00:09:29.560 prefer them to not die from viruses if possible so how how much freedom of mind can you take in order

00:09:36.660 to make sure that uh that fatty gets to live how much of my freedom do you get to take to do that

00:09:41.940 how much of my freedom to walk into a store without wearing my government sponsored mandated

00:09:48.960 garment around my face that marks me as acceptable is that does that sound does that sound like freedom

00:09:57.080 to you or does that sound like some other kind of ism that you guys would normally call it i think that

00:10:03.580 if there is an insane infectious disease that uh you know doctors and scientists and professionals

00:10:11.040 don't necessarily understand at the time raging around i would say that uh you possibly

00:10:18.520 infecting those around you and putting their lives at risk is uh i i do think a time in which

00:10:26.960 you know freedom of of choice should unfortunately be limited for instance it's like you know like

00:10:33.440 when someone is checked for weapons like that is technically removing a freedom of choice if we

00:10:39.940 don't allow someone to enter a building with weapons um but it's good because if they have weapons

00:10:45.780 they could use it to permanently uh eliminate someone's freedom of choice yeah but i guess

00:10:51.280 this is what's interesting to me is that um this is your view your view is that feminism is good

00:10:57.860 because it expands choice right and then at the same in the same breath you say the covet 19 lockdowns

00:11:06.620 are good because they limit choice and so it just seems like limiting choice to you is fine

00:11:11.580 as long as long as it proves or provides for good outcomes well as long as there's good outcomes

00:11:17.500 we can limit choice my rebuttal to that would be the covet lockdowns were temporary uh emergency

00:11:24.240 measures um when i talk about feminism giving people freedom of choice uh there was a a time in this

00:11:31.620 country where women's career options were limited um had limited rights and freedoms uh

00:11:39.700 and now they do not so well why would that matter if the outcomes were better because what you're

00:11:45.560 saying to me what you just got done saying to me is that you're fine with limiting choice

00:11:50.520 as long as it's for the greater good and the outcomes from your view are better the outcomes

00:11:55.940 temporarily well well if that virus limiting of freedom of choice so what if that virus had been

00:12:02.660 here for 50 years would you have still supported lockdowns if the state officials and experts came out

00:12:08.420 said that that was still the best way to mitigate the spread of this virus i think after 50 years

00:12:13.440 with all of the technology that we have if they had not managed to but if they did if they did would

00:12:18.480 you would you have supported their mandate for a new normal no that's ridiculous why like 50 years

00:12:26.120 that's a lifetime of of limited freedom but a year and a half where people can't see their loved

00:12:30.420 ones or loved ones die they can't even go to the hospital to see them and when they can they can't

00:12:35.080 have any contact with them whatsoever right they can't even touch them people couldn't get medical

00:12:40.460 care for years they were dying of diabetes and other horrible things because um because of these

00:12:45.380 lockdowns you were you were fine with those things as long as you thought that the greater good was

00:12:50.840 served as far as outcomes go my great-grandmother passed uh during the covid 19 lockdowns in 2020 and my

00:12:59.260 family was able to go see her as as she was dying that's nice for your family but you know that

00:13:04.320 there's many families who were not depending on the states they were in that or they would have

00:13:08.280 a contact order where only one person could go in that's how they did it it was one person at a time

00:13:12.560 which is frankly not ideal but i think it's not only not ideal but you couldn't touch them

00:13:17.840 they had plastic between you and the person often yeah depending on the state you were in you couldn't

00:13:23.800 even you couldn't they would wall off wall you off with plastic so that you couldn't touch them

00:13:28.300 because of the threat of the contact of the virus and so the thing is is like that doesn't that's that

00:13:35.140 doesn't sound like this freedom of choice society that was designed to assist people and if you say

00:13:42.600 well it's just a temporary measure we'll just limit your choices temporarily we don't know what

00:13:47.660 temporarily is that lasted almost two years like it was a year and a half so that was fairly temporary

00:13:54.620 that's not that temporary and the amount of damage that it did was incredible and if another

00:13:58.860 one comes you'll do it again and if another one came you do it again and if another one came you do

00:14:04.100 it again given the uh unpopularity of the lockdowns and the politicization of the lockdowns i don't think

00:14:12.720 uh politicians would want to um force another lockdown uh i also think that you were so you support

00:14:22.380 them though whether the politician does or not you support them for the greater good the idea is

00:14:28.200 it serves the greater good to you and i guess that's my position too see i think that limiting

00:14:33.520 choice can serve the greater good just like you do i think that limiting choice in many instances

00:14:38.900 serves the greater good and i think that limiting choice for a lot of people like i think that limiting

00:14:44.360 woman women's choices to have abortions i think that that's good i think that provides better outcomes

00:14:48.940 for society i think that limiting uh women's ability to vote men into wars i think that that's

00:14:55.620 good for society like i think i think the same thing you think if we're going with good as outcomes

00:15:00.380 i think that limiting choice is sometimes necessary for the greater good just like you do so i want to

00:15:06.440 address what you said about war um i assume you're referring to the draft no vote men into wars what do

00:15:13.800 you mean that's only one aspect well i'll explain okay do you agree with me that no matter what the

00:15:21.720 circumstances are it's almost almost exclusively going to be men who engage in all frontline combat

00:15:29.820 operations in basically any nation on planet earth i think that that has historically almost always been

00:15:37.360 the case with some exceptions um uh but in this day and age i do think that boots on the ground is

00:15:46.140 significantly less common like in the ukraine oh well ukraine's a different beast we're talking about

00:15:52.000 america um and ukraine also had women the women volunteered to fight for ukraine they weren't they're

00:15:58.940 not in frontline combat roles in fact they were allowed to leave and the men weren't allowed to leave

00:16:03.900 the men had to stay and they were drafted right off the street that's terrible i don't think anyone

00:16:10.100 should be forced to go to war however it's also a specific age range of men i think that when we're

00:16:16.740 talking about up to it's up to 60 they're drafting them up to 60 years old but it's but it's common

00:16:24.460 that's common in a real war we just haven't seen one in a long time but when i think about war i don't

00:16:29.680 think about women voting do you mind if we look that up can you look up the the uh the max draft

00:16:35.800 age for ukraine brian yeah mary can you look that up i believe that it was it was up to 60 or even

00:16:42.320 higher well that's horrible i i myself am very anti-war and i'm very anti-draft i don't think that

00:16:47.780 anyone should be forced to lay down their life but don't you agree with me though that it will be the

00:16:52.380 case that if there is warfare in a nation that it is going to be men who are going to be almost

00:17:00.400 exclusively doing all of the heavy lifting for all frontline combat i have the answer if you'd like

00:17:05.820 so there there's a bit of detail on it but hide that mary the maximum draft age for men in ukraine is

00:17:12.980 25 though this age was 27 before april 2024 however after completing their initial service men become part

00:17:20.580 of the reserve and be can be recalled for mobilization until they reach 55 or 60 for officers

00:17:27.980 yeah that's also a system that we have in the u.s yes that father was air force reserves sure until

00:17:34.220 yeah until he got older sure um and if they need to they'll raise the age more but there's also women

00:17:39.880 who are you know in the reserves in the u.s yes but they're not the problem is with the idea of recall

00:17:46.360 even if you recall women from the reserves at 55 years old they're not going to be doing any

00:17:51.620 frontline combat i do believe in 2014 women were allowed to be in frontline combat roles um

00:18:00.440 i also even if we grant that some women will be in frontline combat roles it will be majority men

00:18:06.720 it's always going to be now not when we say majority i don't want to get this confused

00:18:12.360 as to think it's 51 percent yes okay or higher maybe higher much higher actually probably like

00:18:19.160 97 98 99 probably absolutely um okay so also the nature of warfare has changed i think mostly

00:18:26.220 boots on the ground is gone i would like to point out however that it is only a specific kind of men

00:18:32.780 that are being sent to do these things it's men without the means to uh wiggle their way out of

00:18:39.600 the draft it is old rich men sending young working class men to die unless you need them the thing is

00:18:46.360 is like unless you need them so in germany uh when the soviets were invading berlin and um and after

00:18:54.280 they they took every able man bodied man right off the street it was to in order to fight i mean

00:19:00.340 that's what they did and of course women were told to flee um because they become a hindrance and so i

00:19:06.820 guess all i need really need here is just the agreement that it will always be the case no

00:19:10.440 matter what that it'll it'll be heavily 98 or so of men who will be engaged in frontline combat

00:19:16.680 operations if that's the case then they have the most to risk when it comes to warfare and if it is

00:19:22.900 the case that they have the most risk during warfare and it is i think that it's a fundamental

00:19:28.000 unfairness in society not just an unfairness but a great injustice that women are allowed to vote

00:19:36.160 on policies for warfare that they then don't have to go fight as much as it upsets me that congress

00:19:43.840 can make laws and exempt itself from them it's just as much of an injustice to me that congress can do

00:19:50.960 that uh as it is an injustice to me that women can do this to men um i mean so would you say that only

00:19:59.900 able-bodied men uh under a certain age should be allowed to vote no because of what's called what

00:20:07.640 because of what's called fighting potential so the idea is just this it may be extraordinarily rare

00:20:14.940 that you ever need to get somebody who's disabled or uh very old or very infirm to fight in frontline

00:20:23.500 combat but if you do it's going to be men and the potential remains for men and the potential is

00:20:29.720 not there for women do you do you think that uh men with significant disabilities would be better

00:20:35.180 frontline combatants than women depends on how severe the disability is all right i guess like

00:20:41.360 yeah it depends on how severe the the disability is but i still think that even if you have moderate

00:20:46.180 disabilities then yeah they're probably still going to be better off you're still probably going to be

00:20:51.000 better off with men with moderate disabilities than you would uh women yes is it not true that um

00:20:56.900 i forget which kind of shooting competitions it is but uh no women are not better at shooting than men

00:21:02.620 no but it's about equal yeah well and also hang on i would say that like frontline soldiers uh what is

00:21:10.520 that do you i don't know if you could look this up brian but what how many bullets for how many people

00:21:15.240 killed um it's it's usually like an average of like hundreds of bullets shot thousands

00:21:20.740 thousand shot actually ten it's tens of thousands so it almost seems like i think if a if a woman

00:21:28.140 is you know meets certain requirements uh they don't meet the requirements because you have to

00:21:33.380 carry the ammo and you have to carry the equipment and you have to carry strong enough to carry those

00:21:37.920 then why is it that we can't ever seem to get a woman who can be a navy seal we never had one

00:21:44.980 well that's some pretty extreme most men cannot become navy seals i agree but only men but only

00:21:50.680 men can and when it comes to the idea of frontline combat they have to lower so women can be in the

00:21:56.600 infantry that's true but they get lower standards women get lower standards in the military than men get

00:22:02.240 well i think if you are you know polling for whoever in defense of your country or homeland

00:22:07.960 you would take anyone who might but even if i guess even if i grant that we we could have some

00:22:15.640 very small percentage of women who are capable of doing this and maybe we even feel them because the

00:22:21.760 vast majority the overwhelming majority don't even have the potential they don't even have the

00:22:26.520 potential to do this it seems to me that it's not just that women can vote to send their men off

00:22:34.360 to fight uh by just by a simple majority it's by a simple majority they could do this by electing

00:22:40.260 the politicians in office that have their pro-war stance perhaps and that's a fundamental unfairness

00:22:47.380 in society and it it seems very obvious to me that that's very fundamentally unfair but women are in

00:22:53.340 the military and yeah and support rules the the standards they pass they pass standards which are lesser

00:23:00.420 than men's standards in fact i can have brian pull it up if you'd like to see it but they have a

00:23:05.280 different yeah no i'm i'm fully aware of that but they're still competent and support roles are still

00:23:10.120 important i agree that's you don't have to be on the front lines to be killing people uh my aunt flew

00:23:16.000 helicopters in the army and she was you know participating in killing people well there's another

00:23:22.740 reason why you don't want them there it's not just because of the capability of combat is it resources

00:23:28.040 nope it's because your enemy will get capture them and they'll essay them and then they'll send them

00:23:34.160 home pregnant in order to demoralize your population which is what the soviets did so and it's what they

00:23:41.660 would do in afghanistan and unfortunately uh many times it did happen where they captured american female

00:23:47.620 soldiers and that's exactly what they did they essayed them and wartime rape is absolutely a thing

00:23:52.640 which is why let's not say the r word because it's youtube hey yeah you're good sorry i forgot we have

00:23:57.780 to tick tock so the the problem is not just one fold right it's threefold problem one 98 and that's

00:24:07.240 being very charitable of women would never even have the potential to be involved in a war that they

00:24:13.200 could vote for and i strongly disagree with that secondly well you could disagree but the historic

00:24:19.780 standard disagrees with you and then secondly uh the idea that uh women would be particularly useful

00:24:27.100 in combat situations where enemy soldiers could have access to them knowing that they would be

00:24:32.740 prime loot their loot that's what they would be they would become booty right you think men don't get

00:24:38.620 essayed in wartime not like women not even close it's not even in the same universe of them being

00:24:45.480 booty or loot is is kind of ridiculous but again why even if i grant you all of this do you think

00:24:52.100 they're like these do you think like the the ugly mud catfish over in the middle east they get to sell

00:24:57.900 some prime real estate of a nice uh you know big breasted blonde chick you think that that's not

00:25:04.000 like prime real estate to those guys do you think there's no men out there in the middle east that

00:25:08.940 are into men and wouldn't be you know what happens when you're in the middle east and you're into men

00:25:13.200 do you know what happens in the middle east when you're into men there's a special thing they do

00:25:16.820 called fucking kill you that's what that's what happens absolutely yes but that is why

00:25:22.500 essaying prisoners would be ideal because it can be an excuse to demoralize there are very much and

00:25:28.720 so what would what would you do like let's pretend charlie is the enemy commander okay you're the enemy

00:25:33.140 commander and your orders are to win the war by any means necessary against your enemies and you found

00:25:39.120 out that your enemies were fielding female soldiers in frontline combat where your troops had access to

00:25:45.540 them now what would be more diabolical or easier than creating special units whose entire job was to

00:25:52.740 just capture these enemy uh soldiers these female enemy soldiers essay them record their screams and send

00:25:59.620 it to the enemy and then release them pregnant with their babies how did that work out for japan

00:26:04.620 how did i mean it worked out fine they went through nanking and they they absolutely did that it was

00:26:09.740 called the the raping of nanking yes that's what it was called i'm fully aware what it was called but

00:26:16.020 i mean it worked out well for them they completely demoralized the chinese they completely subjugated

00:26:20.920 them under their boots dropped two atom bombs on them and now they are did china do that no no but

00:26:27.020 their ally the u.s did it and was the u.s fielding women in frontline combats in in japan no no no no

00:26:34.980 nurses but no but the chinese right they were greeting anybody they could and the thing is funny is the

00:26:41.960 first thing the japanese did as part of their demoralization campaign was essay all the women

00:26:47.400 and make sure that and one of the big pieces of propaganda that they had was all of your future

00:26:53.080 children are now our future children yeah it's it's horrible and awful but again look at where

00:26:59.240 china is now and look at where japan is now um you know people joke about the chinese century but

00:27:05.540 i i think china is a very powerful world superpower and japan is an american vassal state essentially

00:27:13.780 so i think at the end i mean i would argue that more people would want to live in japan than they

00:27:18.800 would in china that doesn't change the fact that china has is much more powerful than japan yeah

00:27:23.820 but it's also got way more people than japan and a much larger land mass and way more access to

00:27:28.960 resources and we allowed them to continue to have an offensive military post-war in japan we took that

00:27:34.320 away from well we but it's still a option to take but it's from china but because they were our ally

00:27:39.540 well we we did right at the start have the option to but we didn't but the point is is that the the

00:27:44.880 japanese have not been allowed to have a military we don't allow them to have an offensive one yeah

00:27:49.020 because of what happened last time yeah exactly but the point is is that again that's the second

00:27:55.140 reason that's the second and then you have the third reason uh which is that um they can't meet

00:28:05.420 the minimum requirements which would be necessary for us to even fill them if we wanted to

00:28:10.880 in those situations because they would get killed so quickly i mean they would just get killed so

00:28:16.840 quickly i don't know if you have a good idea of what no offense but like i don't i don't i feel

00:28:27.280 like maybe you your idea of of like what war looks like now is like dudes charging at each other with

00:28:33.420 guns and that's not really how it works what do you think war looks like right now charlie it's

00:28:37.760 drone warfare at the moment we don't really do boots on the ground anymore is there a lot of

00:28:41.740 drone warfare going on in russia and ukraine guerrilla warfare he has a lot of russia uh not

00:28:46.780 super familiar with russia and ukraine but i know there's a lot of tanks and they're blowing people

00:28:50.980 mostly they've mostly been focusing on drone combat i'm going to tell you something really

00:28:54.960 interesting that happened okay so the russians brought back the dragoon the actual dragoon and

00:29:01.160 instead of using a horse they use a motorcycle instead to outpace drones and they mount ak-47

00:29:07.220 machine guns to the front of their motorcycles and they fly past the enemy and they mow them down

00:29:13.200 a woman couldn't do that no no no she couldn't a woman for the most part motorcycle and no i don't

00:29:20.160 think she could i think that the i don't think you really understand the physical weight requirements

00:29:24.940 that are necessary to both control a motorcycle have a heavy machine gun mounted to it that you're

00:29:30.500 also firing um and carry the requisite equipment to do this i don't think you have tied to the

00:29:36.500 motorcycle that doesn't make it less unwieldy very hard to wield it requires physical strength to do

00:29:42.920 these things yes i've shot guns before it's just i don't i'm unclear how a gun being mounted on a

00:29:50.420 motorcycle you're not having to carry it you were just riding the motorcycle you have to control the

00:29:55.480 motorcycle with your muscles yes i know how how motorcycles work yes and the heavier the front end

00:30:01.580 of them is the more you have to use the muscles to steer it these probably aren't american and by

00:30:06.820 the way what do you think what do you think the 110 pound woman's gonna do kick up the kickstand and

00:30:10.720 keep it up or do you think she's gonna fall over with it wouldn't be recruiting a hundred but it's

00:30:15.740 not just that they are in in russia and ukraine charging at each other with machine guns they are

00:30:20.040 on the ground fighting just like world it's world war ii looking combat more than anything else

00:30:24.200 it's infantry-based warfare all over the ukraine why do you think so many people are dying

00:30:28.660 why do you think they're dying so much because they're engaged in frontline infantry combat

00:30:33.680 day in and day out is it not a lot of guerrilla stuff yes of course guerrilla fighting is always

00:30:38.920 part of warfare all right i feel like that is what the majority of warfare is now bombs drones

00:30:44.620 guerrilla stuff war will always come down after you get past the technological barriers so if you have

00:30:51.120 a first world nation attacking third world nation sure right they're left with guerrilla warfare

00:30:55.800 uh we use massive amounts of technology to level major cities things like this and then

00:31:01.120 send in an occupying force they fight the occupying force with guerrilla warfare that's true but when

00:31:06.840 it comes to first world nations that's different they have they have uh technology they're gonna blow

00:31:12.680 the hell out of each other right but then when they blow up each other's technology it still comes

00:31:16.440 down to infantry-based combat why do you think they train people to be infantrymen because it still comes

00:31:21.520 down to that and there's lots of places you can't get technology you can't always get technology in

00:31:25.880 the deep dark jungle or in the high deserts or in the snow covered fields and plains uh low on i think

00:31:32.040 they're pulling very very old it's not just that think about here in the united states you're gonna

00:31:36.100 get a tank through michigan in the winter time i don't think so i don't think that's no i don't

00:31:39.880 think so so the thing is is like yeah it requires the requisite of a lot of strength regardless of

00:31:44.780 technology and even utilizing technology requires a lot of physical strength tanks require loading from

00:31:50.060 shells carrying tons of shells carrying tons of equipment and ammunition and not only that you

00:31:55.600 have to be more resistant to the elements and men are men are more resistant to elements and than women

00:32:01.200 are and so they have kind of everything going for them they're they're the super soldier and they were

00:32:07.480 designed basically to be super soldiers right that's uh i mean i think you you might have an exaggerated

00:32:13.440 idea of what the average starving russian farm boy might look like i think a lot of a lot of the the

00:32:20.800 boys recruited into you know or drafted into warfare over like uh across across how do you think you

00:32:28.300 would do in a physical fist fight with the average russian starving farm boy depends on how tall he is

00:32:34.840 i have beaten well it's been a long time since i've i mean honest honestly out of out of out of just a

00:32:42.560 random any random russian farm boy who's starving that you can think of who you came across right how well

00:32:48.800 do you think you would do if you tangled up with him in a physical conflict

00:32:52.140 physical fist fighting

00:32:55.980 not well not well but if i had a gun i think we'd be about equal yeah but a knife or a spear or swords

00:33:04.220 but if he had a gun i don't think you would be equal i think that that starving peasant who's male

00:33:09.600 is still going to be 10 times more dangerous than you with a gun with a gun yes he's fat he's going to

00:33:14.340 be faster he's going to be stronger he's going to have better predatory instincts are like they are

00:33:19.600 like equal when it comes to using guns you're there is you're thinking about this the wrong way

00:33:25.260 if i if i set you up right here okay and we lay you down on a table and you have a rifle and the

00:33:33.100 rifle's been sighted in and all you have to do is aim it at the target and pull the trigger you can do

00:33:37.940 that equal to a man totally agree but if you have to carry that fucking thing for 60 miles and all the

00:33:45.800 ammunition that comes with it and all of the equipment that you need to sustain yourself to survive in any

00:33:51.980 sort of environment with you uh you're going to have a huge problem and the reason you're going to

00:33:57.460 have a huge problem is because you don't have to just carry your equipment you got to carry the guy's

00:34:01.560 equipment next to you as well for the things that they're doing and men are on average 50 to 75

00:34:06.620 percent stronger than women that's why they're capable of doing that women aren't well the me of

00:34:12.080 right now is perhaps yes not equipped to do that but there are certainly women who uh you know

00:34:18.240 carry very heavy loads when they camp or hike i agree and travel far distances there's there are

00:34:24.860 some women that a woman who hunts regularly would be much you know better equipped in that sort of

00:34:32.060 scenario than like i don't know a teenage boy who's never picked up a gun in his life because it's a

00:34:37.020 strength differential means so much not with a gun with a gun it means a lot you you have to okay okay

00:34:43.720 i wish i wish we had one here so i could demonstrate this for you but i think i can at

00:34:48.300 least express it for you okay do you agree with me that ammunition weighs a lot yeah okay weighs a lot

00:34:54.920 it weighs a lot okay how would you feel about carrying 400 rounds of it on your chest i would

00:35:00.760 hate it yeah along with full magazines and the rifle itself and your cleaning kit with it and your food

00:35:06.520 for the day your basic mess kit your basic mess gear your sleeping bag everything else that you have

00:35:11.700 and then at the end of a long hike you're expected to fight i wonder this is kind of an insane

00:35:18.140 proposition um i do want to go back to again like uh women during warfare because okay let me actually

00:35:25.980 not make a i was gonna say i mean my goodness if we really needed to we could just start giving women

00:35:31.780 testosterone if we needed to get them as buff as the average yeah but you see the hole in that if we

00:35:36.720 were if we were desperate for it we could start giving women tea and they would get pretty jacked

00:35:41.640 pretty quickly yeah do you see the issue there though that should be pretty obvious right away

00:35:45.680 which is that it would be forcing someone to take a no no that's not the issue the issue is it's like

00:35:51.020 why wouldn't you just give it to the men uh because now men just turns into estrogen which is why

00:35:56.860 um people looking to transition to uh you know have more male secondary sex characteristics they have

00:36:04.560 to be careful about the dosage of testosterone they take otherwise it loops around and turns back into

00:36:08.680 sure but if it's a but if it's a case you're looking for a strength differential right most

00:36:13.000 men are short on on testosterone anyway and uh you could give them trt why not give it that's that's

00:36:18.640 one but two for women trt and its effects and changes on your physical body would take years

00:36:23.900 doesn't take weeks takes years for your muscles to start to increase about this it doesn't it does

00:36:32.600 it it does it definitely does i have very personal experience with this it it doesn't you became

00:36:38.880 50 percent stronger using trt you became equivalent in strength to the average man using trt uh i mean

00:36:46.860 my muscles immediately grew yes yeah your muscles will immediately grow but so what they grew and i

00:36:53.180 also wasn't even working out they would they would need to start what they would need to do

00:36:56.520 working out while i was on t i would be jacked out of my mind sure i would be stronger and you

00:37:03.460 would still be weaker than the no you wouldn't be stronger than most men that's the problem i think

00:37:08.300 i would want to see a for that reason a study on uh if you know ftm people are like how long it takes

00:37:18.600 for them to become as strong can i logically demonstrate it for you surely there's okay i can

00:37:24.520 just logically demonstrate it for you how many of these um ftms are in male contact sports

00:37:30.500 um can you name one yeah there's a it better be a contact sport better not be water polo wrestler

00:37:39.520 wrestling there was a what wrestling pro wrestling no no it was a the story was on an ftm uh teenager in

00:37:47.940 high school who uh was getting a lot of flack for being on the women's team and so they switched him to

00:37:53.720 the men's team um and he did fine so yeah that's a male contact sport i would like to know what this

00:38:00.720 story is so i can look into it but it's been like i can't i'm not aware i am referencing yeah i'm not

00:38:05.360 aware of any like tumblr and yeah i'm not aware of any professional any professional athletes in the

00:38:12.040 nfl or in the nba or in any of these places which are ftm and i mean anywhere they can't compete with

00:38:20.320 men they'll get i mean they'll just get crushed they get to be destroyed athletes like are we but

00:38:26.000 isn't it scalable like they would be peak athletes too do you think that everyone else like i feel

00:38:31.980 that everyone has based on their genetics a a level of potential that they can reach yeah and

00:38:38.620 i think even if you take testosterone you still have that limit i think that the vast majority of men

00:38:45.220 will never be you know what i'm just gonna i'll just grant that you could jack women up on trt

00:38:52.200 make a mega okay uh which would be ridiculous yeah it's ridiculous you ain't gonna do it but even then

00:38:57.660 it doesn't deal with the problem of the essay it doesn't deal with that issue at all well they'd

00:39:04.580 start growing beards so and their voices would drop do you think that that would stop them from being

00:39:09.600 essayed no of course not okay then um but that's also a consequence of you know going going to war

00:39:16.780 unfortunately you can be captured and tortured it's horrible but it's it's but it's going to be way more

00:39:22.500 horrible for women i mean god prisoners of war male prisoners of war suffered quite horribly

00:39:31.600 i mean we could also consider that it's quite possible they're not they're not essayed 50 times

00:39:37.780 a day and women would be sure but i would i would assume that female prisoners would not be given

00:39:45.520 harsher uh would be given less harsh physical punishments versus the men less harsh physical

00:39:54.480 punishment than being raped uh no but what i mean is like what's a less harsh punishment than that

00:40:00.620 like having like your freaking legs and arms broken and being like beaten to a bloody pulp every

00:40:05.380 day didn't you think that most women if they had to choose would prefer that over essay because most

00:40:09.620 of the feminists i've talked to would claim that they would over having my legs and arms broken

00:40:15.700 my god i would have to decide in the moment because i guess those both sound pretty awful they both sound

00:40:22.060 pretty awful sound pretty awful but being sent back home pregnant with your essayers kids too that would

00:40:27.880 be hugely demoralizing on your countrymen wouldn't it i don't know uh what starvation and long-term

00:40:32.840 imprisonment would do for someone's why does it even need to be long-term they could just do it over

00:40:38.280 a couple of weeks send you home pregnant sure and then that person could abort or keep the child

00:40:43.640 that's their choice that's horribly traumatic it's horribly traumatic yes not just for you for your

00:40:49.480 countrymen for your husband for your parents right it's the most demoralizing thing i could ever think

00:40:54.340 of doing to the enemy it is horrific and it and it happens all the time women are s8 and forced you

00:40:59.860 know keep not only that can we just point out that in the military itself the essay rates for women are

00:41:04.740 really high just being in the military period they're not good for women anyway they probably

00:41:10.260 shouldn't be in the military anyway because they're constantly s8 anyway i don't have any thoughts on

00:41:16.740 that um because that is a very significant issue uh huge issue that would that would go away it would

00:41:23.700 go away if women weren't in the military i think different units could be better for that however i

00:41:33.620 do you're gonna have the charlie all-female fighting force i mean didn't the you know what i would do if

00:41:39.140 i were soviets have an all-female sniper they had all-female sniper the i'm gonna just i hate to

00:41:45.300 did they not yeah i hate to be the person to it because it's like telling a kid that there's no

00:41:50.060 such thing as santa claus but the female super soldier snipers from the soviet union were they

00:42:00.100 were propaganda they didn't exist they weren't real well i'd have to look into that yeah look into it but

00:42:06.720 okay the the big female ass-kicking chicks 99 propaganda and by the way for the minute was too

00:42:13.300 99 propaganda they had outrageous kill counts seven eight nine hundred give me a fucking break yeah

00:42:19.420 right not even close but what are you going to say that your enemy comes out with a report that says

00:42:25.180 that their sniper killed 120 of yours is your report going to say that you only killed 10 of theirs no

00:42:29.840 of course not you match propaganda with propaganda well yeah it's also world war ii it's not like we

00:42:34.720 can really and it was it was going on it was way but that being said that being said women in the

00:42:40.680 military whatever um do you think that women do not suffer when their uh sons husbands brothers fathers

00:42:48.940 are sent to war yeah they suffer because i would um i i i can't say what i would do if you know my

00:42:58.960 brothers and father were sent to die uh just to make some rich guy more money i can't tell you what i

00:43:06.020 would do it's it's yeah but i mean it's preferable to not die yes then to die yes so you still get the

00:43:14.860 better end of the deal why would i why would i vote to send my brothers and my dad to war why would

00:43:22.220 i go yes oh just what i wanted i want all the men i love to die like that's i feel like that's

00:43:28.760 ridiculous women are susceptible to propaganda in many ways that men aren't and they're the most

00:43:33.660 susceptible to it would you like the sniper over overview yeah yeah sure so so soviet female

00:43:41.640 sniper units were small percentage compared to male snipers there were uh 430 000 snipers trained

00:43:50.080 in the soviet union during world war ii only 2 000 of which were women and a fraction uh yeah

00:43:57.960 fraction of the total sniper force force were women okay yeah very very small i knew that about

00:44:05.780 the them being very very and their kill counts were also very small and wildly blown out of

00:44:10.820 proportion wildly blown out of proportion it does say that the male snipers had higher kill counts

00:44:16.520 well i guess a kill is a kill yeah but i would just point this out that um that that aside

00:44:23.840 the the problem is is that right now in the ukraine if you're part of the voting bloc

00:44:32.080 and you get invaded for instance women can vote to leave the men behind to kill while they go

00:44:38.760 while they leave and and that's exactly what's going on the women aren't required to fight they're

00:44:43.300 leaving they're allowed to leave and if the ukraine men are not allowed to leave do you think that

00:44:48.740 the men i think that's horrible but how do the men in ukraine feel about it because i do think that

00:44:55.660 there are often men with very uh you know strong uh ideas about chivalry who would say that's my

00:45:06.960 duty sure totally agree to carry on our country oh yeah i completely agree women need to go because

00:45:12.920 that's that's very much what would that have to do with the justice of it all or the injustice of it

00:45:17.500 all well there's no justice in that that's not there that's not just and so the thing is is that

00:45:22.000 when i when i for the practical these sorts of votes to pass is it a woman in power that is making

00:45:28.040 these things happen well well in a democracy yes aren't all women in power in a yeah no no you don't

00:45:37.420 have the power to vote i can vote but the people who are deciding what i can then you have equal power

00:45:44.340 to men certainly yes the men of of of my status but you know not the lawmakers not the politicians

00:45:51.360 you're in charge of the politicians that you get put into office hardly i think that's a you and the

00:45:57.080 collection of voters yes and you vote for collective interests just like we vote for collective interests

00:46:01.700 we try to but do you think that uh american politicians and lawmakers largely reflect the interests

00:46:08.340 of the people you know interestingly enough i think i think now they do i think that the truth is is that

00:46:16.380 um when i talk to the average progressive yeah i think i think they do i think that we're getting

00:46:23.260 exactly what we paid for and what we vote for so yeah i do i think that we have an immoral government

00:46:29.240 because we have an immoral populace and i think that that's always the that that generally tends to be

00:46:34.200 the case now not always but i think generally uh we we have exactly the government we deserve

00:46:39.760 which is a bunch of incompetent fucking assholes who are out there to fuck us over right that's very

00:46:45.740 bleak um but i can't say i disagree with you there on that uh however my my point is is that we typically

00:46:54.660 don't get a say oftentimes in what we we vote on what laws are passed i mean we can try our best you know

00:47:04.180 when the midterms come up i don't know how how democracy works in ukraine i am uh woefully

00:47:09.600 uneducated on ukraine and russia um but again i feel like you would want to turn to the politicians

00:47:19.900 and lawmakers that are allowing these injustices to well i guess before we get to that can we just

00:47:25.380 start with agreeing that that's an unjust and it's an unjust and non-equitable system

00:47:30.420 that women can vote to send men to wars they don't have to fight uh i mean i think being able

00:47:36.960 to i don't it's not just women it would also be old men it would be disabled because there's still

00:47:43.100 the potential which exists there uniquely for them that even old men if they have skills and the

00:47:50.280 government wants them they are definitely going to go and the government can force them to do it

00:47:55.600 via the draft via these various draft acts would be the same things that women would be sent over

00:48:00.160 for no for instance what do we want what do we what skills we need from women in warfare they don't

00:48:06.100 have any of the stem they have none of the stem degrees medicine why would we need women from what

00:48:12.560 for nursing correct yes for health care but they've always been nurses and and we did also have have

00:48:19.260 female nurses if you if yeah and they didn't get shot because they were be they were nowhere near

00:48:26.060 the front lines they're always behind all right well you know behind my papa my grandfather yeah was

00:48:31.480 drafted into vietnam yeah and he was a doctor yeah he was not near the front lines ever at all

00:48:36.480 sure he was he was a very valuable but he had the potential to be no yes they were not going to waste a

00:48:42.640 doctor on the front lines are you crazy unless the war came to him and the thing is is that sometimes

00:48:48.060 it did like they had the tet offensive got bombed they had the tet female nurses like in the same

00:48:54.300 housing on the same boats that were also usually they keep them separated and evacuate them first

00:48:59.020 just like they did during the tet offensive when the tet offensive happened vietnam that was during the

00:49:03.820 tet holiday they're like day of the dead and there was a tet ceasefire and they broke the ceasefire

00:49:09.100 they attacked military bases all over vietnam and just fucking decimated us it was brutal yeah and but

00:49:16.240 the thing is is like even the nurses who were there um which by the way are still mostly male i believe

00:49:22.460 but even the ones who are female they get evacuated first women are always evacuated first in other

00:49:27.760 words the potentiality is always there for these men it's not really there for these women and i don't

00:49:33.220 know why it is that you for like any other form of social injustice you would be all about this if i said

00:49:39.080 hey look at look at the fact that like for instance um uh these white people can vote that to have black

00:49:46.440 people go fight wars they don't have to fight you would be like no way we're not going to allow no

00:49:51.280 fucking way and if i gave you the same potentials for that i feel like you'd be like we need to stop

00:49:56.060 that and write this second but for some reason when it's between the sexes you don't care would

00:50:00.480 the response be uh you know okay no white people can vote that wouldn't be the correct it would be

00:50:06.880 no white people can people can vote no white people can vote to send uh black people off to war

00:50:13.520 right they're not allowed to do that and yes if it was the case i think that you would actually i think

00:50:19.680 that you would advocate if it was the case that white people could vote to send black people off to

00:50:25.220 war that they didn't have to go fight i think that you would say that you should mitigate suffering

00:50:29.840 in some way for that or suffrage for that so you feel that i would say that all white people

00:50:34.600 like no white people should be allowed to vote if it was the alternative that they could vote black

00:50:38.840 people to go to war when they didn't yeah i think you would unfortunately i'm selfish to the degree that

00:50:44.160 as a white person i still want to be able to vote i want to have a say in the country that i paid taxes

00:50:49.720 to even if it's the case that we can vote to send black people off to war and we don't go fight

00:50:55.500 them ourselves i think that most white people would not vote to send black people to war i think

00:51:00.560 that's kind of a strange scenario um because that also gets into the trouble of determining

00:51:08.780 my goodness uh i mean like how would that even work the same way it worked in the drafts

00:51:15.180 they would go to low-income black neighborhoods and draft them well i mean that's kind of how we

00:51:20.120 recruit into the military now anyway as we you know find the poorest people possible and go hey

00:51:24.340 free school free health care i agree there's a lot of bribery but my point is is that i think

00:51:29.340 that this form of social injustice you would be like i just think that if the if the roles were

00:51:34.940 reversed racially that you would be outraged and you're just not because i would be upset i just

00:51:39.040 think that you're i just think it's not just about the draft though my argument here is not even about

00:51:44.760 the draft my argument is that it's a it's a huge injustice that one portion of the population

00:51:51.300 has the potential to always fight wars on behalf of the other the other doesn't have to fight it

00:51:55.880 gets all the benefits of them doing it all right and we're supposed to just be like well okay then

00:52:00.820 it's like yeah fuck that no that's not okay then the benefits like having your male family members die

00:52:07.280 potential wartime rape if your country is the benefits of you not being fucking occupied and

00:52:12.300 being able to get all your resources those are way bigger benefits doesn't ensure that you'll never

00:52:17.060 not be occupied again what that means is that a good chunk of the money that we make will be going

00:52:21.860 i assure you you're wrong country will i assure you that if you refuse to go to war you will be

00:52:26.660 occupied finish later finish go ahead we will also be again if if if our country goes to war any country

00:52:34.160 that votes to go to war there's a chance that they could be invaded and their women could be subjected

00:52:40.040 to uh wartime sa um again also uh in times of war things are tough your resources are are not there

00:52:51.100 people starve during wartime there is very few people who actively benefit from war except for

00:52:57.940 the ultra wealthy yeah but do you understand that the the case in point is that it's going to be men

00:53:06.160 who are going to do this and when you say things that are they just sound absurd to me like um there's

00:53:13.220 no guarantee that you still won't be occupied even if you send the men off to war it's like so what

00:53:17.180 you're still sending the men off to war and you just don't ever have that pretend like that's nothing

00:53:22.920 you ever have to worry about when you go down and you sign up to vote you don't have to sign a draft card

00:53:28.260 like you don't you don't get put in a draft system your number's never going to get called

00:53:32.880 that's nothing you ever need to worry about ever and that is a potential that all men need to worry

00:53:38.860 about and by the way even the ones it's not really we haven't had a draft since vietnam so what because

00:53:43.980 so what the way that warfare works has changed we have an insanely bloated military the chances of

00:53:49.920 either of you um being called in in a draft to go to the front lines to fight uh slim to none however

00:53:58.580 i i am against the draft and i would support i would support any motion legal motion to remove

00:54:05.260 the draft i would can i just vote for that yeah i would use my power as a woman yeah that's great

00:54:10.460 but it's not even contending with what i'm saying that's like not even contending with what i'm saying

00:54:14.900 even if that's the case that's nice that you say that right but our global leaders are never going

00:54:20.780 to get rid of the draft because their military their military advisors tell them not to

00:54:24.760 because it's a huge weapon for mobilization of military force if you need it so we're never

00:54:30.220 going to get rid of it that's just a fucking pipe dream it's never going to happen ever so remove

00:54:35.360 women's ability to vote and then we'll never go to war is that is that you're thinking no i'm saying

00:54:40.360 that this this injustice and unfairness and by the way like when you bring up you say well what about

00:54:46.360 60 year olds they can't be drafted okay but they could have been when they were in their 20s and

00:54:50.380 signed up for the draft and which you didn't have to so their potential was already there and

00:54:54.160 exhausted they already had to go through that stage of life where their number could be called

00:54:59.260 and yours couldn't so yeah they still get the benefit they still did the thing that you guys

00:55:03.620 will never fucking do they still did it and so the thing is so the thing is is like it just stands like

00:55:08.700 this to reason right it doesn't matter if the 18 year old never gets called to a draft the potential

00:55:13.900 is only there that he will and you can't get mad at him later because he still maintains voting rights

00:55:19.040 or certain rights that you don't get because he still went through the process of signing up for

00:55:24.780 the draft and had the potential to be called and you never did so it's like why do you get anything

00:55:30.300 extra why why is it that they don't get extra in fact why do you get anything on par with that

00:55:35.400 when the social status is such that men can be called to defend you and die and that's never a service you

00:55:41.520 have to render on their behalf you know i have multiple male family members who went to war um my

00:55:48.420 grandfather who was drafted and i have never had them expressed to me it makes me so mad that you

00:55:55.320 as a woman get to vote because i was drafted and went to war i've i've never encountered this attitude

00:56:02.320 from anyone that went to combat yeah but like that that word that was deployed like i have i have

00:56:07.960 until this this i had never heard that before yeah but do you understand that maybe and the rage

00:56:16.520 towards the draft is against the politicians well i think you do understand though that um that many

00:56:24.180 times injustices are perpetuated on people and they don't even know that they're being perpetuated on

00:56:30.500 them perhaps most injustice is that way so just so just because a person tells you or has never told

00:56:38.640 you that they felt that there was a weight of injustice in a thing which was happening may never

00:56:43.540 have been explained to them or they may never have even thought about it before like most people don't

00:56:47.260 think about the weight of it but women aren't responsible for this injustice it is the lawmakers and

00:56:52.020 politicians that put the draft in place well but my my opinion on this is that it doesn't really

00:56:57.600 matter what matters is that this injustice is happening now and it's going to continue to

00:57:03.620 happen for the rest of our lives and you're never going to get rid of it ever and even if it were the

00:57:07.840 case that women could be drafted it wouldn't matter because they would never be able to serve in the

00:57:11.160 same capacity as men and since the draft is never going to go away ever and it's not ever going to go

00:57:16.320 away you're not going to be able to vote it away there will always be some some capacity for it

00:57:20.680 because it's just too useful of a mechanism if you ever have to go to war your generals will never

00:57:25.320 allow it okay then you know so hang on let me finish the point though if that's if that's the

00:57:30.560 case um then it's it's a fundamentally unfair proposition that women can can vote in politicians

00:57:39.500 against the will of men and they do all the time because they're mostly left-wingers who could then

00:57:44.960 vote to send them to war like that's that that's uh that's completely unjust in every capacity i can

00:57:52.000 think of that's totally unjust it's my understanding that um uh political divides are a lot more uh

00:58:00.220 stark when it comes to uh ethnicity and um education versus uh you know gender like there is a divide but

00:58:10.600 if we're talking about populations sending people to war like most white female voters voted for for

00:58:16.380 trump um i think in 2024 and 2016 they were voting they were voting with men yeah correct i've heard

00:58:23.700 this with white men yeah i've heard this argument and so the argument is is that it's actually more

00:58:28.860 stark along racial ethnic and social lines than it is along gender lines because races tend to vote

00:58:33.860 together yes you have a problem with that though which is that you saw that the hispanic men

00:58:41.040 really did start voting differently than hispanic women and the reason that you saw so many of the

00:58:48.600 white women voting with white men is because they were married to them and that's still a demographic

00:58:54.140 with a high marriage rate but as the marriage rate decreases whites don't vote together and races

00:59:01.140 don't vote together women will vote how their husbands are and as long as the marriage rates are still

00:59:05.420 higher for whites than they are other demographic groups besides asians as soon as they those marriage

00:59:10.960 rates continue to plummet no in fact women do vote against men's interests for sure i would say i

00:59:17.720 believe in black american populations the marriage rate is fairly low extremely low but regardless uh black

00:59:26.040 women and black men tend to vote the same except this last election really yeah when you look at the

00:59:33.480 black female vote versus the black male vote but yeah like i agree under obama right 90 but black

00:59:40.300 people have voted as a monolith for a long time yeah that's not the case with other races and we can

00:59:45.940 we can look down ethnic lines and we can see that yes it's true that white women tend to vote the way

00:59:51.720 their husbands do but when they're not married they tend to vote left and that's that about women who are

00:59:57.400 more likely to be uh unmarried and of age to vote you're looking at a lot of the time college students

01:00:06.920 women uh educated women so again i think that education plays a huge role in how someone votes it's i believe

01:00:14.900 that most white people male and female um educated tend to vote left whereas uneducated tend to vote right

01:00:23.020 by yeah when you say uneducated you just mean not college degree yeah yeah sorry high school diploma

01:00:28.380 or equivalent i do believe that it is the case yes that when it comes to the the voting record of

01:00:34.460 people with college degrees they tend to move more progressive yes that's the case yeah yeah so my my

01:00:40.640 point is again that uh educated people almost like 99 of the time end up marrying other educated people

01:00:48.640 people tend to marry people of the same social status uh so or higher or higher yeah um

01:00:56.080 so then would it would they not just be voting the same as their their husbands in that case as well

01:01:03.960 yeah they are so they have the white women are voting the same way as their husbands are yeah but

01:01:08.580 the case is that most white men most educated yeah most white men are not uh college educated don't

01:01:15.320 have college degrees they have trade degrees most of them are smarter than the educated and uh they

01:01:20.600 vote right and their wives vote right along with them but when they're not married they tend not to

01:01:25.040 they tend not to vote uh they they vote left very much left and i can so we should have the social

01:01:30.760 expectation that as marriage rates decrease for whites and they are decreasing rapidly that women

01:01:36.520 will continue to vote left and men will continue to vote right so it is a massive gender divide it's a big

01:01:40.900 problem or sex divide right i mean it just is objectively right um i mean sure i forgot why

01:01:49.400 so if that's the case then women can well the point is is that women can vote against the interests of men

01:01:54.600 now maybe you could say that that's okay when it comes to democracy but it's really not okay when it

01:01:59.420 comes to things like warfare when they can vote to send men off to war like that's that's just like

01:02:05.720 criminally unjust from my view it's so unjust this is going to be a tricky conversation um but i would

01:02:14.220 you could make the same argument about abortion and i know that you know you believe that it is murder

01:02:21.660 um however i hold the view and i i want you to trust in me in the sense that uh you don't think

01:02:31.620 that i would be very cool with like murdering babies so when i say yeah because it's your view

01:02:37.680 it's not a baby it's not a baby it's not it's not i understand yet yeah um you don't consider that to

01:02:42.920 be human life well you consider scientifically you consider it scientifically to be human life

01:02:49.420 but you don't consider life to begin until there's some sort of cognitive sentience or something like

01:02:54.480 this right yeah something something to that degree i think it was was it saint augustine that said

01:03:00.140 when it starts to kick that's when it's a person something like that um i think that abortion and

01:03:08.920 birth control because women are you know very much encumbered by our physical forms our our biological

01:03:16.740 capacity to uh have children i think that the only way we can have equality is to have access to birth

01:03:25.600 control and abortion um so that we can participate in the economy uh the same way men can so when men

01:03:34.380 vote against women's interests and can force us to carry children and destroy our uh you know our our

01:03:42.760 avenue to freedom um financial freedom financial independence it strikes me the same way

01:03:50.680 as as as the draft does to you is i i feel like that yeah i understand yes uh here's something

01:03:58.420 interesting though um let's just start with this because i think we should get our terms correct

01:04:04.920 here okay when you say force right nobody actually forces you to have a child even if you can't abort it

01:04:13.460 isn't that actually the case nobody's actually forcing you to do that the the case is is that

01:04:19.860 you're using what's called an ambiguous equivocation which is a fallacious form of argumentation the

01:04:26.160 equivocation is that you would have us believe through the nebulousness of the language of the term

01:04:31.840 force that somebody is using some type of physical repellence to make you do a thing when in fact the

01:04:39.540 truth is is that they're not doing that at all they're you're just simply not allowed to do a

01:04:44.680 thing that's different than forcing you to do a thing i mean uh so like you know a law that says i

01:04:54.760 cannot drive in the left lane or i cannot drive you know yeah i don't know i can't go 100 miles per

01:05:00.300 hour on the on the highway yes i can technically do it but there will be consequences mostly you know

01:05:07.280 most likely me probably dying in a horrible accident yeah so it's a red light do you do you

01:05:12.360 think that a red light is force uh no but there's consequences but it's not force and that same

01:05:19.660 thing here you have a law but it's not there's no force that's being used no one's forcing you to go

01:05:24.160 to war you could choose prison you could you uh what is it what is the term for abandoning desertion

01:05:32.480 desertion yeah you could desert like you don't technically you aren't technically being forced

01:05:39.040 to do so you could take the penalty for not signing up for the draft the penalty for draft dodging can

01:05:44.720 be you get shot that's a little bit different than is that is that the case that's the case yeah

01:05:52.460 because there were a lot of people that dodged the draft and they were given um uh immunity basically

01:05:58.120 from the government they pardoned them but it's not just imprisonment if you do desertion for instance

01:06:04.920 you you can be shot and they shot people for desertion all the time people were shot for

01:06:10.940 deserting their post my uh forced to do it my search here just on this topic in the usa desertion

01:06:16.860 is a serious offense and the penalty for desertion during a time during a time of war can be death

01:06:22.740 though other punishments like imprisonment are possible okay what about draft dodging and what

01:06:29.280 happens if you refuse to sign up for the draft you can't vote is that essentially you can't vote you

01:06:34.040 can't buy a gun there's there's uh there's other penalties associated with it too uh which have to do

01:06:40.240 with tax filing you're not being forced to do it there will be severe consequences but you technically

01:06:46.580 don't have to sign up for the draft it's no one's forcing you to no one's holding a gun to your head

01:06:50.740 and saying you must sign it do you want the penalties for draft dodging yes it it can include

01:06:56.240 federal felonies like fines up to 250 000 and or up to five years in prison for failing to register

01:07:03.880 other consequences like state level restrictions on things like college eligibility or driver's

01:07:10.140 licenses can occur and uh i believe there's some preclusion from receiving uh federal student loans

01:07:18.680 and preclusion also from uh certain federal jobs yes i understand the argument you're making

01:07:25.920 you're the argument for equivalency here is wait a second um nobody's forcing you to do this to

01:07:32.920 uh go off to war or something like this right i guess my argument there would be pretty easy

01:07:39.540 which is that um this is outside of your control drafting is outside of your control yeah having a

01:07:48.320 child is not outside of your control for almost any woman who's ever been pregnant they're almost

01:07:53.420 always pregnant and that's within their control yes and so i don't think that men given the punitive

01:07:59.580 punishment of years in prison for felonies or potentially being shot for desertion even if they

01:08:05.500 do go or um having the penalty raised for draft avoidance if we needed men which would probably be

01:08:13.200 again you'd probably get shot um i don't think that these are equivalent statements because

01:08:18.200 one you are being voted and force is to be used in order to compel you to do these things nobody's

01:08:26.280 compelling you to get pregnant nobody ever forces you to get pregnant well unless it's unless it's a

01:08:33.500 right but the thing is it's like it does but it's not it doesn't account for the majority of cases

01:08:39.060 the overwhelming majority of cases and if it were the case that you argued to me but in the case

01:08:45.440 that i am forced right what about then i think that you would be able to negotiate that out with

01:08:51.240 the other side i think they would be willing to say in cases of essay incest of things where force

01:08:57.560 and compelence was used they they have said many times that they would be willing to negotiate that

01:09:02.340 out if it stopped all of their abortions but the left that so that's not really your argument

01:09:06.320 because you want women to have that regardless well the issue with that is that um getting

01:09:12.100 someone charged with essay i'm sure you would agree is a tedious and can be a very long process so how

01:09:19.780 would that work if let's say uh i was essayed and i became pregnant and i showed up to uh planned

01:09:28.880 parenthood in the state where well i guess they're closing the planned parenthoods um and i said i need

01:09:32.640 abortion i was essayed and they go okay we need the paperwork to to prove that you were essayed i could

01:09:39.460 potentially be looking at months maybe even years of trying to prove that i would i was you know essayed

01:09:46.900 and in the meantime i would be pregnant and then i would reach a point where uh an abortion would

01:09:55.320 not make any sense well let's even assume that you were able to negotiate this out in such a way where

01:10:00.860 if you just made the claim that you were essayed and named whoever the victimizer was and you were

01:10:07.580 in the process of that then you could still get the smush motion but if it was determined that you

01:10:13.720 were lying or made it up then there was some sort of criminal penalty towards you but what happens

01:10:18.740 do you think that uh every time a charge is dismissed that means that the accused is innocent no because i

01:10:25.840 think a lot of the time people do things by that same argument then i have reason to doubt the essay

01:10:30.540 standards because do you think that if a person is convicted that that means that they are guilty

01:10:35.320 no well then if that's the case then we have so all we can do then is go off of go off of data unless

01:10:42.040 it's questionable data right what else can we do because the idea here of you just saying well

01:10:47.560 you know they may be innocent it's like okay well then that person who was convicted of essay may be

01:10:52.540 not guilty right he may be innocent and the person uh who's who's innocent may actually be guilty it's

01:10:58.320 hard to say but in this case if you went and you filed this right let's just say somehow we got it to

01:11:04.700 where you actually could you could actually move through the system very quickly in order to get this

01:11:09.540 abortion if it was proven that it was it was due specifically to uh to rape right great got that

01:11:17.380 but that's not really what you want right you want unfettered access to abortion by every woman

01:11:24.240 don't you yeah so it has so so any of these arguments the micro nuanced arguments which are

01:11:29.780 around rape and incest don't really matter that much because ultimately that you don't have a lot

01:11:35.780 of concerns about that being uh you know the the process of having to prove this to get that exemption

01:11:43.220 i do genuinely not out of self-interest but out of you know fear for other women and girls yeah but

01:11:50.220 assuming assuming that that was a possibility that we could expedite such a process quickly

01:11:55.540 yeah right i would still want abortion to be yeah so then who cares where you're arguing over something

01:12:00.440 that's uh almost inconsequential in comparison to the overwhelming amount of abortions which are done

01:12:05.780 and they're done as a form of birth control uh i mean they're not frequently done yeah they're

01:12:13.880 frequently done they're not rare no they're not and they were always we were promised they were

01:12:19.520 going to be rare but they're not rare lifetime occurrence actually brian could you google like

01:12:24.420 uh what percentage of women have an abortion in their lifetimes because again it is a form of

01:12:30.800 birth control i think it's over 40 percent of women have one yeah but are they having abortions

01:12:35.760 every year are they having one i have it according uh to the well that doesn't matter an estimated 24.7

01:12:42.960 percent of women in the united states will have an abortion by the time they are 45 okay and that

01:12:48.420 translates to approximately one in four women okay okay so not quite as high as i thought yeah one in

01:12:54.260 four is still fucking high but it's it's i don't think that most people get repeat abortions

01:13:00.320 it's usually the cases of that i think are fairly rare brian i don't know why but why why does like

01:13:07.060 frequency here matter it's still being used as a form of birth control that's the truth about a birth

01:13:12.440 control birth control and we're thinking about uh you know like birth control is typically something

01:13:19.320 you have to use every time you engage in intercourse or it is a uh some sort of hormonal thing that you

01:13:26.520 are you know using all the time what i'm saying is that abortion um it's this idea of it as like

01:13:35.900 comparable to the pill or to a condom is well it's comparable only in the way that it's being used as

01:13:42.060 a form of birth control yeah yeah i mean yeah i guess it's it's preventing a birth sure yeah it's

01:13:47.920 being it's so it's comparable to birth control because that's what birth control is doing preventing

01:13:51.980 a birth yes but it's a painful traumatic process that most people do not want to undergo it's like

01:13:58.420 a last resort you know but it happens yeah and as a form of birth control so like that's in the most

01:14:06.720 common forms of abortion are forms of birth control so the thing is is like almost all women have an

01:14:12.740 abortion not because they're essayed or because of incest or their life is at risk but because they use

01:14:19.900 it as a form of birth control well it's because the birth control that they were using failed

01:14:24.200 typically so now they use this other form of birth control yes i think we're saying the exact same

01:14:29.500 thing here sure i don't feel like we're even speaking past each other so the thing is is like

01:14:33.960 that to me is that's fucking insane first of all like why would you why would you even want to

01:14:40.420 advocate for a society in which female hormone birth control hormonal birth control was even a thing

01:14:44.680 anyway it fucks women up like it fucks them all up um i mean it makes them all mental and fucking crazy

01:14:51.420 and fucking retarded all kinds of shit i mean it really depends on uh the the woman i do think that

01:15:00.660 hormonal birth control by and large ass horrible but there are women who you know when i was uh 14 i

01:15:09.160 when i've sorry to tmi but i got my period and i got it for two months straight um and so to fix that

01:15:15.680 i was put on birth control for a while to balance that out so that i was not bleeding every single

01:15:21.200 day of my life um and then i was taken off of it there's women with like pcos maybe we can find

01:15:27.120 common ground here hang on maybe we can do it this way you want women to not have to

01:15:34.440 have unwanted births yes that's what you're after right yeah okay i think every child i i propose

01:15:42.380 that if you take away birth control hormonal birth control and you take away condoms that women will

01:15:50.820 actually have less unwanted children because they'll have less sex because that that equals pregnancy and

01:15:57.960 my proof for this is that we can go back to a time not that long ago before we had hormonal birth

01:16:04.960 control and condoms and there was way less unwanted babies being born than there are right now when we

01:16:10.880 have all those things that was also i think society expected you to have a child however i will concede

01:16:18.680 so um the i did a debate like i think last month about like uh do abortion laws meaningfully decrease

01:16:28.800 abortions and what i saw from the data is that after you know abortion restrictions are in place there is

01:16:34.960 a small spike in in births but then it starts to decline at the same rapidly and then yeah uh in the

01:16:41.200 surrounding states abortions go up so it does work i yeah like i guess it it does work but i mean that

01:16:50.440 sucks because you want to fuck well i mean okay you're a married man yeah but i mean here's the

01:16:55.860 thing you don't want you know 10 10 baby wilson's running around that's a lot of mouths to feed oh sorry

01:17:02.900 um like presumably you married couples don't want to be at risk for having children all the time

01:17:11.800 especially as a woman grows older and the risk to her body becomes more extreme where she could

01:17:17.880 miscarry or uh you know die in the attempt um right like wouldn't wouldn't we want birth control

01:17:25.620 to be accessible i mean there's other alternatives right it's the pull-out method could work no there's

01:17:32.200 other alternatives to that too like women if they've had four kids they often have their tube

01:17:36.780 tied right oh yeah that's pretty that's pretty common because their health is at risk at that

01:17:41.680 point yeah uh or there could be a possibility yeah i've had seven children you know they have a

01:17:47.500 vasectomy those frowned on in religious practices right the tube really yeah of course the tubes being

01:17:53.500 tied though that's not right that's for the health and the welfare of the mother so it's like there's

01:17:58.360 other alternatives if you want to stop having children after you've had them

01:18:01.340 but the most common way in which we could probably reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies is to

01:18:06.440 stop fucking each other oh and then the amount of children uh well i mean sure why not but i also

01:18:16.420 think that there will be more stis spreading there'll be less how could there be less or more stis if

01:18:21.520 there's less sex because the people who are having uh sex are having unprotected sex and it would most

01:18:28.360 likely yeah but there's going to be less people having unprotected sex because i don't want kids

01:18:32.040 that's the whole point so gay men cannot get pregnant and yeah but gay men that's my concern

01:18:40.380 gay men rarely use any of that stuff anyway or what they do because of the nature of what it is that

01:18:46.500 they do their sti rates are like five times no i think they're higher than that can you look up

01:18:51.540 in comparison to the normal population how high it is uh gay stis they're they're like

01:18:58.640 it's at an astronomical difference well i mean if you combine the male libido with no risk of

01:19:06.200 pregnancy in both parties uh men typically have much higher libidos but if you combine that's what

01:19:12.060 happens but this is the problem here with crazy with each other with promiscuity and sex and this type

01:19:17.720 of thing it's the same exact thing you combine man woman now with no risk of pregnancy and you end

01:19:23.320 up with a promiscuous society our stis are higher than they've ever been in history

01:19:28.000 do you think promiscuity is bad yeah of course it's terrible terrible idea it's like it's just a

01:19:35.000 terrible idea for for the promotion of society i mean just not just not even just stis which are

01:19:40.060 just at an all-time fucking high again they're like are they really i think they're higher than

01:19:44.640 they've ever been again we can look that up but they're extremely high i do have yeah go ahead

01:19:48.900 oh do you want to i do have the statistic really quick a 2018 study found a 35 percent sti positivity

01:19:56.200 rate among gay and bisexual bisexual cisgender men compared to 15 percent for heterosexual cisgender men

01:20:04.500 yeah way fucking higher yeah and of course like i said it's because no risk of baby two men with

01:20:12.740 very very very very high and then can you check on the the st if the sti rates on the general

01:20:18.040 population have been steadily increasing age though because i do know that there's like sti booms in

01:20:23.940 in elderly homes like like senior citizens that's because they're being sexually assaulted

01:20:28.480 it's mostly because they're having sex with each other no i i have uh two because of elder i'm telling

01:20:36.060 you i mean elder abuse is super duper real super duper real but uh two data points here for you

01:20:41.880 really quick on the first one from before the syphilis rate for gay and bi men was 309 cases per 100,000

01:20:49.800 while for heterosexual men it was just 2.9 per 100,000 much higher rate and then the general sti rate

01:20:59.180 over time it says overall in the u.s the sti rates have seen a substantial increase over the past decade

01:21:07.220 if you want i can find you yeah going back for well they've been they've been increasing because

01:21:11.860 people people have a lot more promiscuous sex with multiple partners but my generation is having

01:21:17.860 like i don't know if you've seen that stat my generation uh is having less sex than older

01:21:23.640 generations correct gen z is not the women like less not the women do you want me to look it up it's

01:21:28.660 basically just the men who are having less sex women are having tons of sex with you know the

01:21:34.080 same five men none's huh most of the women i know are like nuns well that's nice i guess but the case

01:21:44.120 of the matter is or the fact of the matter is is that yeah they're they're promiscuous there's a lot

01:21:48.140 of promiscuity it's led to a huge increase in sti it's not just that but that's where all the

01:21:54.000 unwanted pregnancies come from anyway and why you have all these abortions and the same reason that

01:21:59.940 you see them decrease exponentially and unwanted pregnancies decrease exponentially after abortions

01:22:04.720 outlawed is for the same reason if we got rid of birth control you would see unwanted pregnancies

01:22:08.740 decrease rapidly because people wouldn't be fucking if they thought it was going to lead to a kid

01:22:12.900 you might see herpes increase though mouth herpes probably mouth herpes increases a bit but uh and

01:22:20.820 stuff in the butt still better still better than the alternative um and so the thing is is like

01:22:27.900 i don't see how that's liberating society or helping society at all well you know what you're

01:22:33.700 advocating for it seems to me like we're back to the limit debate is it the case that we can limit

01:22:38.060 behaviors in society for the good of society just like you did with covid i think we can and i think

01:22:43.900 it's fine i don't think that uh limiting abortion benefits society i mean how does it not it seems

01:22:54.020 to significantly benefit society it's we have less abortions that's great right the the whole point

01:23:00.480 the whole point of abortion is you want to get rid of unwanted pregnancies we're giving you a way to

01:23:04.920 have unwanted pregnancies go away right and they do go away the unwanted pregnancies drastically

01:23:11.080 decrease so it's like what i mean people are still going to get pregnant though because people are

01:23:16.620 still going to have but i mean we can't here's the thing though right it's like we're not going

01:23:22.140 to be able it's like murder like people are still going to murder you know there's nothing

01:23:26.920 there's still going to be people who do the thing i think but for the overwhelming majority of

01:23:31.320 people they don't you see abortion as something that is innately bad while i see it as something

01:23:36.600 innately good because again it wait it's good in of itself uh i mean so like what it means should a

01:23:44.400 woman get pregnant just to go have an abortion no that's crazy all right again but is it bad

01:23:48.920 to get pregnant just just to go have an abortion i think it's weird is it bad i would question that

01:23:55.400 person but is it bad is it bad i mean probably it's a drain on resources um that's it that could go to

01:24:03.900 other they pay for it well yeah but it's a waste of everyone's time how everyone's getting paid

01:24:11.760 everyone's getting yeah but then you know women who like what how could that possibly be a worse race

01:24:16.960 of resources than oh i had a gangbang last night and got knocked up with this how's that not even

01:24:23.020 just as much of a waste of resources as chick who's like well i'm just gonna go and have sex in order to

01:24:28.840 get pregnant to go have an abortion for fun like how is one more of a train on resources than the

01:24:33.780 other because one of them is crazy i don't know this is they're both fucking crazy they're both

01:24:43.740 fucking crazy have you heard of women intentionally getting pregnant to have an abortion because i

01:24:48.640 don't know if you know i don't i don't but that's not the that's not the point of the question

01:24:52.280 abortions are yeah but the point of the question isn't to determine if there's like breaking your

01:24:56.520 leg to go to the doctor yeah that's weird yeah that's an insane that's great but yeah that the

01:25:01.000 point of the question is like you said that they're just inherently good and it's like if that's the

01:25:05.680 case then if a woman just got pregnant to go have one she's doing something good no that's not what i

01:25:11.260 mean they're not inherently good what they what they provide for women no you just in the sense that it

01:25:16.040 provides our uh you just mean the outcomes are good yes the outcomes are positive sure yeah but the

01:25:21.060 outcome is but which but which ones which which positive because if i can give you more positive

01:25:26.460 outcomes for what you want which is less kids who you uh who are being born that that parents don't

01:25:33.780 want it seems like i provide that society better than you do with abortion so like what outcomes here

01:25:39.220 what what outcomes are better from your view that you're providing that i'm not again when i talked

01:25:44.500 about the abortion statistics uh you know abortions did go up in surrounding states so that's because

01:25:51.100 they were legal there come on well yes but what i mean is that the people who were having abortions

01:25:56.180 in those states left to to you know rather than get them in the state where it's illegal no they didn't

01:26:01.940 they got more abort so only some did and they still ended up going down right no abortion rates went up i

01:26:08.680 believe where if only temporarily and then dropped no um birth rates went up temporarily and then dropped

01:26:14.920 yes birth rates yes yeah so unwanted births but in the surrounding states yeah yeah they go up

01:26:20.420 abortions did go up yeah but they don't go up by the same amount as the predictive abortions in the

01:26:24.980 state would have been so like let's say the state had 50 abortions a day you don't see the state next

01:26:31.380 to it now increase by that same 50 you might see an increase by like 20 or 15 a day you know what i mean

01:26:38.140 that's more realistic to what it is so it does reduce abortion and it reduces unwanted pregnancy

01:26:43.440 and the whole idea of abortion from your view is getting rid of the unwanted pregnancy i thought

01:26:48.680 that's the point so if we have a way in which we can have on it sounds like you just basically

01:26:53.380 like i just want people to be able to fuck that's what it sounds like you i mean i think it comes from

01:26:58.120 a place of understanding that people will fuck they but then they don't though they don't seem to

01:27:02.980 it seems like if abortion is not available to them and unwanted pregnancy right is still not there the

01:27:10.120 the the birth rates are not increasing then how do you how do you account for that do we want a

01:27:15.960 sexless nation it's not sexless nation there's still plenty of people who are married and fucking

01:27:21.100 and having children at the right times but i i kind of do think but wait wait yes actually yes

01:27:27.180 do i want a nation in which uh promiscuous sex is gone yeah kind of like what can you tell me what

01:27:33.840 what's great about it tons of stis everywhere the sti rate increases right uh the fact of the matter is

01:27:41.340 is that you have women who have been you know screwed by 20 or 30 men and men who have screwed

01:27:46.420 20 or 30 women uh yeah that doesn't seem like it's very good for the moral fabric of your society or for

01:27:52.700 your society at all and so it's like if we can if we can get rid of the thing you want which is the

01:27:57.380 unwanted pregnancy and it seems like the unwanted pregnancies decrease when you get rid of abortion

01:28:02.060 anyway it sounds like it's like a big winner here so we have like an entire incel movement that i think

01:28:09.080 has been uh labeled a domestic terrorist threat in the sense that there are by fucking liberals it has

01:28:17.020 i wish i wish that we could label feminists as a domestic terrorist organization can you

01:28:22.720 would you deny that there have not been uh you know mass shooters motivated by uh do you deny that

01:28:31.860 trans ideology has motivated mass shooters do we label them as being domestic terrorists

01:28:37.920 no i think uh no no we don't um but that's different that's like an identity rather than a

01:28:44.440 problem to be solved i think that wait wait what no it's a problem to be solved or they'll say

01:28:48.980 wouldn't become trans to begin with they have a problem and they're trying to solve it it's not

01:28:53.000 just a matter of identity it's a matter of problem solution medication and surgery and whatnot

01:28:58.780 whereas like involuntary celibates i just feel like involuntary celibates also if it's a problem to

01:29:05.000 be solved they get buff and fuck a chick and that's the same shit right you have a problem

01:29:09.660 you're solving it they're just like the trans are having a problem they're solving it that's

01:29:13.560 from your view isn't that the same thing then why are all the men on the internet complaining that

01:29:18.160 they are loveless and can't find women so are women and they just do it at a different age see

01:29:23.380 women in their 20s they don't complain too much because you know if you go right now and you show

01:29:28.320 your picture of your ass on the internet you're gonna have 20 000 guys who go oh my god my lady

01:29:33.060 oh it's the greatest thing ever and that stops when you get older stops when you're 40 45 50 that

01:29:40.720 validation starts going away so women in those age brackets have huge loneliness epidemics as well

01:29:46.380 it's just that's the case right so it just happens to them at different times in life and then men who

01:29:51.820 get older less lonely the older they get why because they have resources and they start fucking young

01:29:56.940 women like that's how it works uh well i think that also you know that would uh depend upon what

01:30:03.680 the woman has done with her life my mother had no shortage of suitors um who were wealthier than her

01:30:11.320 and typically younger than her um up until her 50s uh and all of her friends seem to do pretty well

01:30:18.540 pretty well um in their in their old i mean but your anecdotal your anecdote aside there is a male

01:30:26.720 it is true there's a male loneliness epidemic crisis and we are like we do hyper focus on that but the

01:30:33.180 truth is is that it's the case for women too if the men are lonely then and there's as many women as

01:30:38.780 there are for men right then shouldn't by the power of inference here we determine that if the men are

01:30:46.380 lonely the women also would be lonely but you just said that young women uh have far more opportunities

01:30:54.020 so we're talking about different age ranges yeah it's because younger women are basically all

01:30:58.220 fucking the same guy same few handfuls of men okay so what we have is an issue here where young women

01:31:05.240 uh you know have many many many choices young men have very few well they have choices of who to sleep

01:31:12.100 with not necessarily who to be with yeah and young what you're talking about with young men is like

01:31:17.360 the young men who just can't get laid at all which i don't think is a huge amount by the way

01:31:21.540 and by the way you see a lot of young men moving towards traditional churches and that's another reason

01:31:27.740 why you see the celibate rate going up i have uh i personally doubt the sincerity of the movement

01:31:36.800 towards those churches um just based on

01:31:40.600 i feel that so i was raised very very very religious um but i was raised by a father who

01:31:51.080 was raised atheist converted after my parents divorced um and he later told me yeah i thought it was all bs

01:31:59.640 like i was never actually into it it was just kind of something i needed at the time and i i do feel

01:32:06.660 that people who are raised without a strong religious influence growing up i it causes me

01:32:15.140 to doubt the sincerity of their conversion because i often feel like they don't believe it what they

01:32:20.360 want is a community or they want some sort of moral high ground so to speak um because that's been my

01:32:26.620 experience with converts i've had friends who converted to christianity and later were like

01:32:30.200 but i don't disagree yeah there's some some yeah i'm not i'm not and if they're not abiding i don't

01:32:36.540 think that that's the i don't think the majority of people are uh converting over to christianity

01:32:42.160 especially rigorous traditional churches just for the community i think that some may be doing that but

01:32:49.540 it doesn't seem likely that it would be the vast majority of them it's just it's a it's an

01:32:55.160 attitude that i've seen uh encountered in a lot of um younger men where they'll kind of lionize

01:33:03.460 uh christianity and traditional churches but the way that they live is not christ-like at all

01:33:09.260 um maybe it's a good time for super chats brian i'll have a smoke and then uh and then we can get

01:33:14.820 back to actual feminism here oh yeah yeah no problem yep yep no problem yeah so i don't know i feel

01:33:22.900 like we're getting off into the weeds about a little bit about shit that doesn't matter

01:33:26.760 really it has nothing to do with anything so kind of back to feminism is the whole reason you're a

01:33:33.320 feminist so that you can have abortion or is there other reasons um well you know i actually have a list

01:33:39.840 of uh yeah let's go through those ways that feminism i mean if we're talking about me personally

01:33:46.280 uh well the 19th amendment women women can vote um yeah what's so great about voting anyway

01:33:52.440 i like to have at least a little bit of a voice um in a country that i am paying taxes to and

01:33:59.320 intend to spend the rest of my life in so it is it is about power personal power yes i would i would

01:34:05.420 like to have as much say if i'm putting as much into society as someone else well then i guess it

01:34:10.200 does matter to contradict your earlier point that voting didn't really matter when it came to war

01:34:15.200 appears that you think it does because i said a small amount of power well a small amount of power

01:34:20.140 collectively power small amount of power collectively over a gender can mean a large

01:34:24.360 amount of power vote to send people to war we're not given the vote the president decides you get

01:34:29.280 to vote for the president well i yes but i mean we can't necessarily trust that and he gets to vote

01:34:37.140 for says we're not going to send someone to war it's not the president it's congress who gets to

01:34:41.160 authorize war but the president himself yes he has a lot of power to mobilize troops for police actions

01:34:47.200 and things like that but that aside what's the next issue um birth control and roe v wade obviously

01:34:54.260 we talked about that i want the freedom to uh you know i suppose like someone who has um glasses i want

01:35:04.300 the freedom to have my uh the things about my body that potentially inhibit my ability to participate in

01:35:11.720 society um i want to be able to mitigate those things with with medicine and technology um

01:35:18.180 and then uh equal pay act i want to be paid the same as someone who's doing the same work i think

01:35:24.420 that's a positive do you think that um well well first of all how much do you think the the the

01:35:32.860 difference is the difference is between even if we were really charitable to the idea of a wage gap

01:35:38.900 what do you think the difference really is between wages well i mean there's a law against that there

01:35:44.880 a law that was passed so that's what i'm referring to um however the wage gap isn't based on like it's

01:35:49.740 not like you work at a company and i don't know you're employee one i'm employee two we both started

01:35:54.960 working at the same time they're not like oh because you're a lady you make 71 cents on his dollar i do

01:35:59.880 believe that the wage gap refers to um well backing the difference in in like the average salary yeah so

01:36:05.620 we're not talking about a wage gap we're talking about you want legislation which equalizes wages

01:36:10.760 yeah equalizes wages if you're doing the same job with the same amount of experience you know it's

01:36:15.160 equality um so doesn't that limit the freedom and authority of the owner of the business to screw

01:36:21.980 people over yeah again i i think no wait how could you be screwing someone over if if you make an

01:36:28.880 agreement with me for the amount that i'm willing to pay you for a job how how are you being screwed over

01:36:34.080 i mean i think if you're you know uh making that decision on the basis of someone's um immutable

01:36:41.640 qualities such as sex uh or race i think that that's pretty is is that not unjust no why is that

01:36:52.060 unjust why can't doing the same work yeah so what why can't uh business owners have preferences about

01:36:57.960 what they want but it's like for instance let's say you had a business owner who's like

01:37:01.660 yeah i don't want to hire you just because you're a woman like why isn't that their business

01:37:07.320 because i don't think that people should have the freedom to screw over other people you're not

01:37:12.980 screwing them over they're asking you for your resources you're not asking them for theirs

01:37:17.700 you're you're trying to screw them over the guy who do you think that you know people who

01:37:23.340 a company is just its head i mean workplaces aren't run only by a manager its staff is what keeps i think

01:37:30.060 that the place going well it depends on how big the business is for one yeah and the second thing

01:37:34.160 is is that uh even if it is a large business it should be up to the propriety of the owner

01:37:40.100 he has access to all the capital and all of those managers and employees are asking him for his

01:37:45.060 capital he's not asking them for this that are making that capital for him with his guidance

01:37:49.580 wait a second producing that capital no they didn't risk any capital they risked no capital and so

01:37:55.100 they don't get what he gets that's the big problem you socialists always have you don't if you don't

01:37:59.980 risk capital you don't get to gain like you don't get to be like i happen to be working here when that

01:38:05.060 guy risked all of his fucking money uh and he made a bunch of it and so now i get a portion of it

01:38:10.340 that's not how the world works i mean you're talking about small businesses small business is the

01:38:14.220 same thing and big business is the same exact thing you're still risking money that ain't yours

01:38:19.340 so you don't get to benefit from that that's how that works you have to risk your own money for that

01:38:23.380 and so the thing is is like yeah it seems like you have people who are asking for for economic

01:38:29.180 opportunities for somebody else and they're getting mad when they won't give it to them and it's like

01:38:33.120 how's that not their business though it seems like it's totally the business of the owner i guess you

01:38:37.880 can have you know you could you could do that you could look down on your employees and consider them

01:38:43.560 to be people that are uh you're doing a favor for rather than you know skilled workers that you're hiring

01:38:49.500 i'm not even sure it's a favor and i'm i think that that's the wrong wording like it's not a favor

01:38:55.120 it's someone can open a business but if they don't have anyone to work in it like what is what is the

01:39:00.240 business then yes they risk the money well people have small businesses all the time and just they

01:39:04.320 run it it's only them yeah it's yeah and then most often when they hire an employee that employee

01:39:10.620 doesn't have anywhere near the responsibility or risk that the owner has no of course i'm not saying

01:39:15.080 they make the same amount but you know a fair wage for the same amount of work but that should be

01:39:19.520 determined by the employer what that fair wage is not by the state the state by the way the state can't

01:39:25.240 even do it anyway they don't have any understanding of markets at all so the the thing is it's like just

01:39:31.180 saying like i'm trying to figure this out a woman comes in or even even better right um a christian

01:39:39.880 comes in and a muslim and i say okay well i'll hire you because you're a christian and not you

01:39:43.800 because you're a muslim what's actually the immoral proposition here why is that actually

01:39:47.880 wrong to do i've never understood that argument it's always seemed to me like it's fine they're

01:39:52.860 both asking me the person for something why can't i tell them to go fuck themselves and i only want

01:39:57.780 you because i prefer you and don't prefer you and it is based on an immutable characteristic and who

01:40:02.600 cares fuck you fuck your immutable character i don't like it so get it out of here well i would like

01:40:09.040 to work towards a world in which our immutable characteristics uh don't determine how much we

01:40:15.760 value someone but i mean but that's just pie in the sky bullshit isn't it like if you have a humpback

01:40:20.980 we've done a good job at working no we haven't god if you look at where america was when when we were

01:40:26.600 founded i mean there was uh black americans were were enslaved and now we are you know legally

01:40:35.240 equal that is certainly a lot better that is certainly a lot of progress made yeah but we're

01:40:43.080 talking about two different things i'm not talking about the proposition of slavery maybe the proposition

01:40:47.740 of being able to hire who you want and allocate your resources to people with whom you want to like for

01:40:53.040 instance uh you're not going to hire a humpback a hunchback or a person who has like um super bad

01:40:59.780 arthritis to like you know solder things probably not going to hire them you're probably going to stay

01:41:04.620 away from from those people and you're like there's physical requirements for jobs right but the

01:41:09.740 thing is is like that's still when you when you break it down you start getting into these micro

01:41:16.060 preferences right like if it's the case that you just don't like a person because they just defend

01:41:22.980 your select your delicate sensibilities in some way well technically you don't have to hire them you

01:41:28.140 just can't be like hey i didn't hire andrew because he's a white guy like you just have to just lie

01:41:33.020 about it so you just lie about it that's what they do yeah so that's what they do so then doesn't it

01:41:37.980 just sound like it's just an unenforceable virtue signal just unenforceable nonsense um so like i could

01:41:44.660 be like look i only have a male staff because those are the most qualified people i think that if you

01:41:49.320 can prove that you were being discriminated against uh on an immutable quality um this is for

01:41:55.180 workers to be able to you know bring this to court which i think that if you can prove that you

01:42:00.600 should be able to bring it yeah but what's but why like what's what's the actual like what's the

01:42:07.080 actual proposition here you own a business you have all of those resources they all belong to you

01:42:14.220 all of them belong to you um and somebody comes in and wants them and you don't just don't like

01:42:19.980 their fucking face and it doesn't matter why you don't like them because they're black they're white

01:42:23.520 they're muslim they're women they're men whatever the fucking reason is right why isn't that completely

01:42:29.880 and totally up to the business owner why shouldn't that be completely left up to them who they want

01:42:34.820 to hire and who they don't want to hire well i think that many businesses uh take out loans from

01:42:40.300 the from the state correct like ppe loans um no most of it's private equity all right well i think if

01:42:46.480 you're going to uh take out loans as in a lot of the time use other people's money i think a lot of

01:42:52.440 people would be uh upset if the money that they loaned you was not you know they don't give a shit

01:42:58.120 lenders just want their money back in the interest they don't care about your practice

01:43:01.420 they don't care but like i think you need to adhere to the law if you're borrowing money

01:43:05.260 otherwise then it's yeah i'm saying i'm saying that i want to repeal the law i think it's an

01:43:09.920 immoral proposition tell people what they can do with their money i think that that's immoral so i'm

01:43:14.880 giving you the proposition right my worldview it's completely immoral to tell business owners that they

01:43:20.680 have to serve people that they don't want to serve and that they're not allowed to have the hiring

01:43:26.360 practices that they want like it's totally their business this isn't even about hiring practices

01:43:30.980 this is about wages this is paying that would be that would all be hiring practices right right

01:43:35.680 because like because don't you get a salary on being hired i mean it depends you could have minimum

01:43:41.300 wage or a salary like i don't that would still be your salary would then be minimum wage but at at

01:43:46.320 being hired your hiring practice would be the salary negotiation right yeah yeah yeah so the thing is

01:43:52.440 is like i have never again i i i claim i make the counterclaim comes from the fact that like

01:43:59.640 you know employers would pay women less to do the same amount of but i'm fine with that okay and i'm

01:44:07.320 fine with it being the opposite i actually see that as the more moral proposition if it's the case that

01:44:12.960 it's yours you get to do what the fuck you want with it because it's yours and it doesn't matter if

01:44:18.240 that makes a person feel badsy and they're like well wait that's that's unfair fairness isn't uh

01:44:23.200 isn't an idea of a doctrine when you're when you want something from somebody else it's not how that

01:44:28.420 works right i'm trying to this is hard because i don't know if uh i could ever make a comparison but

01:44:35.740 you are a christian yeah does it not make you feel some type of way whenever people discount you

01:44:46.300 or disregard you or uh exclude you on the basis of your religion oh sure yeah right like it doesn't

01:44:53.300 it feels or they call me a bad christian or they call me this yeah it feels bad sure it feels bad

01:44:58.440 and you're like that's just my beliefs in my religion it's not harming anyone i'm just a christian

01:45:02.580 like how could that how could like it's the same feeling for race and gender it's like i'm a competent

01:45:09.060 worker why am i not being paid the same amount the difference is this is that it doesn't matter

01:45:15.540 if it hurts my feelings that a muslim says he won't hire me because i'm a christian

01:45:20.780 right uh because it's me who wants the thing from him right now you could say there's mutual he wants

01:45:28.820 something from me too but if he really wanted something from me then he would hire me right

01:45:32.180 and he's not well he's hiring you for less well they just or he's just or he's just not hiring me at

01:45:37.480 all yeah right but whatever it is he wants less for me than i obviously want from him or else we

01:45:43.340 would never be able to come to an agreement on wage so the thing is is like it it seems it seems

01:45:49.480 like a more much more moral proposition to me that you get to determine that if a person has their own

01:45:55.020 private equity and resources and don't want to pay you less just because you're a woman that's that

01:45:59.820 seems like it's their business i mean i don't think so i think that you know creates a society

01:46:08.500 where uh you know where you maximize freedom devaluing others on the basis of their immutable

01:46:15.740 qualities yeah but you're allowed to devalue others based on their immutable qualities you're

01:46:20.580 allowed to do that isn't that freedom but you get in trouble for it yeah but isn't that well then how is

01:46:25.620 this really this idea of feminism is about expanding personal freedom it's like every time i talk to

01:46:31.220 you about a topic it's just limiting a freedom every time i talk to you about any proposition that you

01:46:36.780 consider liberating it's actually just punishing it's like it this isn't really about being fair

01:46:42.920 to men and women it's about punishing people and telling them what they have to do with their own

01:46:46.660 money no let me let me explain to you what i mean about freedom of choice yeah do that but let me

01:46:52.220 have a smoke first while you take some super really quick andrew uh as you're getting up here

01:46:56.760 uh behind you just as because of your black ex-wife um and as a seat warmer can you grab the baby

01:47:03.660 doll and just put it as a placeholder there to

01:47:06.480 it long story it's a long story but um so andrew will be right back he's just gonna have a quick

01:47:15.860 quick smoke jr there you go uh so uh welcome what what's your baby's name by the way andrew

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01:51:49.440 chug from it um we have andrew returning to the table so final reminder guys q a

01:51:57.180 i came back this time junior i came back this time

01:52:01.240 the one below it yeah there you go rock and roll

01:52:07.260 all right uh we have andrew returning so let me see if there were any chats that came through

01:52:14.560 while we did that or we might just actually hold them for a break a little bit later uh all right if

01:52:22.300 you guys want to just jump right back into it charlie do you need any refreshments or anything would

01:52:26.620 you like uh we have energy drinks how's your how's your energy is good energy is good but i could

01:52:32.180 always use a re-up you you want like a energy drink sure what do you want uh we have zoa and or and

01:52:40.280 we have just energy shots too zoa is final i don't uh poured into a one of our cups by the way

01:52:47.100 all right we're gonna get that set for you guys here uh well we're gonna sorry we're getting we're

01:52:55.480 finally getting into the meat of the debate here guys yeah and uh so no chats at the moment no q a

01:53:00.700 questions so if you guys want to just jump right back in yeah go for it okay okay so you were saying

01:53:07.040 about oh uh freedom to go to school i'm i'm super personally very personally thank you very much

01:53:14.800 very into uh education i very much enjoyed my education i know it's a useless degree largely i mean

01:53:21.320 fantasy literature um however my younger sister uh is pre-med at duke and i think that that is

01:53:29.860 something very worthy uh i think it's very important that she is able to to pursue that so again

01:53:35.540 freedom freedom to do so uh freedom to go ahead go into uh you know as long as you have the skills

01:53:44.340 to be able to go into any career field um and that goes for men and women i think that you know we

01:53:51.520 should have more men working in education and uh you know like child care elderly care i think that

01:53:59.480 we should have more women in trade um i i think it's a lot of people assume women can't do trade but

01:54:05.640 my ex-girlfriend who was 90 pounds 5'1 became a welder so i think i think i think ladies can manage most of

01:54:13.560 the trades um they can't well they can weld yeah well uh weld well what kind of welding did she do

01:54:23.280 into the mic by the way oh i don't remember we broke up ages ago but she was starting her

01:54:27.780 apprenticeship she was starting her apprenticeship according to my mom who kept up with her she

01:54:33.560 finished it but i never does she work as a welder i don't know i haven't talked to her in years

01:54:38.360 yeah i think uh i think that that's a bit of pie in the sky i guess my counter argument to all of

01:54:44.020 these is that basically every proposition you give me for what you think is expansion of freedom

01:54:48.820 which according to your definition is what feminism is for uh can we read the definition again that we

01:54:55.020 agreed on real quick i think it was uh feminism equal egalitarian equity and the removal of patriarchy

01:55:01.940 that's just what i wrote down and uh you think that the point of feminism though from your view also

01:55:08.080 is to expand freedom for people that was what yes yeah not to have the freedom to

01:55:15.400 do the things you don't like no to take other people's freedom well you're not taking anybody's

01:55:20.640 freedom by not hiring them i think that you are creating an environment uh in in which people's

01:55:28.880 immutable qualities um impact how much money they can actually make yeah but that's freedom

01:55:33.700 you know who it's freedom for both parties freedom for employers but not for workers

01:55:39.880 they're free too well how are they not free what are they not free to do to tell you what you have

01:55:44.780 to do with your money to tell you what you have to do with your resources they're just as free

01:55:49.740 like what is the impact here on freedom exactly like you know if you wanted real freedom if you

01:55:55.520 wanted a society that was truly free you would not go in and legislate how employers could um could

01:56:03.960 go about the rigorism of who they wanted to hire who they didn't want to hire and why no i'm not a

01:56:09.520 libertarian at all christian sounds a bit libertarian no no no it's it's following christian ethics the the

01:56:15.240 idea here is like we don't we you don't get to make a determination an unjustified determination at

01:56:22.500 that you just have this kind of like bizarre thing that you say you start with people shouldn't be

01:56:28.020 discriminated against based on immutable characteristics and it's like why the fuck not

01:56:33.760 if if it's the case that they want resources from you that are yours and you don't want to give them

01:56:38.940 to them why the fuck not why can't you discriminate well what's the what what about that is justified

01:56:44.140 from your view did jesus discriminate against anyone on the basis of their immutable characteristics

01:56:49.280 yeah well based on immutable characteristics i don't i'm not sure like um i'm not sure that he

01:56:57.540 did no all right well isn't uh but that's a spirit a long time i don't think that spirit i don't think

01:57:03.900 that spiritually we should do that but i mean shouldn't we aspire to be christ-like yeah spiritually

01:57:10.940 giving loving uh you know um yeah sure so let's go to the money changers and whip them and let's go

01:57:17.600 tell prostitutes to stop being hookers can we do that yeah but we do so with love and empathy okay

01:57:23.080 love and empathy but so are you okay with christians stopping prostitution um no no so well i think okay

01:57:32.540 let me let me be clear um i think that most women who are doing full service sex work uh

01:57:38.940 a lot of them that isn't necessarily what they wanted to do with their lives growing up yeah but

01:57:47.320 you still support their freedom to do it if they want right i think that they deserve protections i

01:57:53.140 don't want to see those women harmed at all do you think it should be illegal to do or not

01:57:56.880 i think it should be decriminalized so not illegal not illegal but decriminalized because i don't want

01:58:03.420 the thing right is like you can't pick and choose which christian ethics you would prefer that i apply

01:58:08.080 which i don't and the thing is is like here i'm being remarkably consistent and just bit a bullet

01:58:14.160 for you i just said yeah i do agree right based on immutable characteristics jesus christ didn't

01:58:19.640 discriminate uh from from helping anybody with their spiritual health or anything else i totally agree

01:58:25.660 that that's true i think but when it comes with loving arms yeah but when it comes to how we engage in

01:58:31.280 the world and people's preferences there's nothing biblical about creating refusals to uh or that

01:58:38.620 you have to hire people that you don't want to hire based on whatever it is you don't want to hire

01:58:42.100 them for or pay them whatever wage they demand you pay them we're christians not you know oppressed by

01:58:48.600 the the romans were were the jews not driven out of like everywhere they ever tried to live yeah

01:58:54.660 like was that portrayed positively or was that do you think like and christians when you

01:59:01.160 talk about christian reforms the demands were not ever that oh wait a second um now we get to

01:59:09.480 make a determination on what you do with your resources towards us where did christians take over and

01:59:14.680 then say you have to treat us you have to treat us um uh to the same exact wage as you do you know

01:59:21.540 this uh this people group over here that just never happened it wasn't it wasn't a factual case

01:59:26.940 and so it's like it's because rome was deeply unequal um well no just life is deeply unequal so

01:59:33.220 so the question i think that the question just becomes like where are we getting this grounded

01:59:37.900 ethic that it's okay to tell people what they can do with their stuff it's theirs i mean no one is

01:59:44.380 saying it's just a equal opportunity and trying to not make judgments on someone on the basis but i

01:59:52.480 think it's fine for people to make judgments of course you know like if i am walking down the

01:59:56.820 street at night and i see a large group of rowdy 20 something men i'm gonna be like a little bit

02:00:02.700 like anxious you know i'm gonna be like well they're rowdy young men that could be potentially

02:00:07.600 dangerous is it is it bad if i do that with black people i think that highly depends upon the context

02:00:15.860 in the same context i just see a group of young rowdy young men yeah or just uh you know rowdy

02:00:22.100 black people and i cross the street is that racist maybe it's just because they're black on the basis

02:00:29.120 that you think they're gonna jump you yeah do you think that happens often do you think that

02:00:33.900 if it was just a bunch of men and you cross the street and you call that sexist or not sexist then

02:00:40.060 how would that be racist the other way well because i think we have to consider which one is uh

02:00:44.980 coming you know on the basis of like personal experience versus like i mean how often have

02:00:51.340 you been like harassed at night by rowdy black people like a crowd if you go around if you go

02:00:58.660 around rowdy black people yeah they're probably gonna harass you if you're white i used to walk

02:01:03.600 through the tenderloin at night by myself this is when i was very butch so mind you i uh yeah walk

02:01:09.840 through you're gonna walk through south central by yourself i don't know where south central is

02:01:14.220 the point is though is that like san francisco the tenderloin if you're what you're informing

02:01:19.520 your judgment that the black that the the rowdy group of young men may do bad thing to you you're

02:01:24.480 that's historically they they they do and this would be the the same information that a young

02:01:29.360 white man or a young white woman would have if they're talking about hang on hang on hang on let

02:01:33.060 me make the point and then you can respond is it not the case that young white men also have the exact

02:01:38.840 same justification that you would have that historically now at least in their lifetimes

02:01:44.100 uh it does seem like whites are disproportionately attacked by black men

02:01:49.380 that white men are disproportionately attacked the the stats and we can pull them up again let's just

02:01:55.660 look at let's just look at interracial dynamics of violence black on white versus white on black i

02:02:00.140 think depending on where you are sure if you're in an area it's not where you are it's everywhere

02:02:04.800 it's everywhere okay well i'm just saying it's everywhere i used to walk through the tenderloin

02:02:09.960 in san francisco at night by myself that is a heavily black area and i was uh the worst thing that ever

02:02:17.420 happened was a guy tried to sell me weed that was the worst thing that happened and it was it was okay

02:02:22.780 and i looked again like but if you're informing if a if a young woman is walking down the street

02:02:29.160 and she's never been assaulted by young men before ever and she's walking by a group of young rowdy

02:02:36.080 looking men right and she just knows from hearing stories and from her observations

02:02:41.980 um and you know statistics and things like this that she could be in some trouble there and she

02:02:48.980 crosses the street would you say that that's sexist um i would say technically yes that is that is sexism

02:02:56.260 but i think so she does need to keep in order to not be a sexist she needs to keep walking through

02:03:01.320 that crowd you would advise her to do that i think that you can make some assumptions oh yeah would it

02:03:10.220 technically be sexist so you would you recommend in that basis of like this would you recommend she was

02:03:16.340 sexist in that instance then if you were going to give her advice would you be like be sexist yeah

02:03:22.080 i would say don't get hurt and but if she crosses the street based on her preconceived notions even

02:03:28.840 though these this these things haven't actually happened to her and you were the advice giver would

02:03:34.820 you go ahead and advise her to cross the street yeah if it was my little sister absolutely of course

02:03:38.840 and so you would advise her to be sexist so then why wouldn't that apply to race

02:03:44.320 i don't know how to say this other than um i think you only get harangued by black people as a white

02:03:52.040 person if you're being real weird like i think you have to be like what like like what do you like

02:04:00.640 what reason would would a group of rowdy black people have to bother a young white guy

02:04:05.800 they kick the fuck out of them and take their money what are you talking about okay like jumped

02:04:10.540 you're worried about getting jumped yeah of course the same thing you would be worried about sure then

02:04:14.420 avoid them but you should probably avoid groups of white guys too because you could get jumped also

02:04:18.380 but if it's racist then no well wait a second now if all of where you are if all of the things that

02:04:25.100 are that you're yeah if all the things you're informed on all right are telling you exactly the

02:04:30.120 opposite and you would advise your little sister to be sexist why shouldn't i advise my little

02:04:34.100 brother to be racist in that situation i think it depends upon where you are again if you are

02:04:40.180 seeing a group of young men regardless of race who just seem like they're dudes out having a fun time

02:04:45.980 or if it looks like it could be gang activity related or something like that i think yeah like you just

02:04:52.300 have to make judgment calls there

02:04:53.780 and that can be regardless of race is it racist to do is it racist across the street because you

02:05:03.360 see a group of young black men if you saw a group of young black men in suits with briefcases would you

02:05:08.740 would you be afraid of them well wouldn't you be afraid of it do you think that it's no i wouldn't

02:05:13.300 be afraid of a group of men in suits walking with briefcases so you're just saying that rowdy young men

02:05:17.980 well that's funny because then i guess my if you were going to give advice to essayers you would

02:05:23.060 just advise them to have a suit and briefcase right no that's not what i would advise them but

02:05:28.940 what i'm well i mean but hang on hang on it is right wouldn't that be an entailment that you would

02:05:33.540 advise them to just have a suit and a briefcase because if that's the case charlie's going to be

02:05:37.200 fair game for you because she's not going to avoid you i would assume that there would be less

02:05:44.320 danger if it's a group of sober businessmen yes i would assume that they are less likely to assault

02:05:51.040 me than a group of young men who are drunk and rowdy aren't aren't don't you think that the people

02:05:55.680 who have the most resources to like kind of beat the rap might actually be the most likely to do that

02:05:59.860 of course but again if we're talking about street harassment it's probably not going to be from

02:06:04.960 business they're like molesting their secretaries or whatever you know it's not yes i don't know it seems

02:06:09.280 like we're saying the same thing you would advise if it was uh if it was a young group of men your

02:06:14.560 sister across the street and if somebody advised that it's a black man and advised a little brother

02:06:18.820 across the street based on all the experience data that they have i don't i don't really understand i

02:06:26.020 still don't really understand the distinction

02:06:27.500 because one is based on the fact that women get sexually harassed fairly frequently

02:06:35.700 i don't know and the other one is based on the fact that there's interracial violence fairly

02:06:39.980 frequently okay 13 of the american population is black and regardless of how far we've advanced uh

02:06:48.360 most populations are not mixed most areas are still fairly segregated what like what are the chances of

02:06:58.300 white guys experiencing being assaulted by black men to the same degree as women being assaulted by men

02:07:05.460 why would it need to be the same degree because i think if it's if it's a low chance something

02:07:10.160 that's probably not going to happen that's different from something well how low of a chance

02:07:13.780 how low of a chance before i'm not racist when i cross the street doesn't need to be like how low

02:07:19.460 of a chance does it need to be before i'm not racist for crossing the street like one percent

02:07:23.440 but even then i don't think like that'd be one in a hundred times you that your chances of getting

02:07:29.520 your chances of getting essayed by a group of men is way less than one percent or sexually harassed or

02:07:36.620 just way less than one percent way less i'm going to respectfully uh disagree um i had an experience

02:07:47.280 it wasn't me it was uh disagree with what you want to see the stats like just just an essays just an

02:07:54.000 we just go off of just well i'm also just talking about sexual harassment what does that mean they

02:07:58.420 catcall you bother you yeah they just catcall you yeah it's annoying yeah so i mean what's it can be

02:08:05.140 scary so what would you like less if you're a young man to get your ass kicked by a group of young black

02:08:09.520 guys or get catcalled by a group of white dudes i mean the likelihood of a group of black guys beating

02:08:15.480 you up again at most they might say mean things to you that's probably maybe at the most they might

02:08:20.780 say mean things to you that other group of men that you're avoiding but you would still recommend

02:08:25.480 the kids or your kid sister to cross the street to engage in the sexism and yet for some reason when

02:08:32.160 somebody uses the same argument from the racial lens you're like no no no no no no no no no and it's

02:08:38.280 like that's a very inconsistent position based on reality it is based on reality what reality is it

02:08:45.000 not based on i do not hear of like interracial beat-ups like do you have any sorry do you have any

02:08:51.060 statistics yeah on the likelihood of of white people being beaten up by black people in comparison

02:08:58.260 to the other way around uh strap yourself in i was uh trying to find something earlier but i it wasn't

02:09:04.240 coming up but so basically you guys just want me to look for white on black crime versus black on

02:09:08.780 white crime yeah okay or at least assaults give me a give me a few moments to find it and look at the

02:09:13.860 essay stats interracial essay stats and then you tell me why interracial well because then i would

02:09:20.160 think that in order to be consistent you would bite the bullet that you would tell your little

02:09:24.260 sister if it was a group of young black men to cross the street over if it was a group of young

02:09:29.720 white men just based purely on the statistics of which one's more likely to assault you right

02:09:34.120 well women are most likely to be victimized by men of their own race

02:09:38.060 which is why we're looking at what data point here interracial okay well why are we looking at

02:09:45.680 interracial because if one is much more likely to assault you than the other women of a woman of

02:09:51.200 any race and a group of men of any race versus you talking about a white person yeah do you know

02:09:57.460 what can you tell me what per capita means charlie uh

02:10:01.780 no no okay i didn't think so uh but anyway let's move back to this so it's pretty simple okay do you

02:10:12.080 want to tell me yeah per capita is just when you when you isolate um for a segment in order to adjust

02:10:19.280 for the percentage against the whole so it'd be something akin to this right okay let's say you

02:10:24.140 had um let's say you had two let's say you had two black men and you had um i don't know eight white

02:10:31.660 dudes okay for a total of 10 right 10 represents 100 percent of all of these people in this people

02:10:38.320 group okay and you have three i'm sorry four you have four of the white guys who commit crimes

02:10:46.520 right like sa and then you have both of the black men who commit sa if you're trying to determine

02:10:53.780 which out of the people group committed more sa would you then adjust for the two black men because

02:10:59.680 that's now 100 of black men who are committing sa or for the four white guys because now that's only

02:11:05.720 50 percent of white men who commit sa so it'd be like relative to population size that's what

02:11:09.820 you're saying per capita okay yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's super important to understand this

02:11:14.300 right because even if it's the case that most sa crimes happen within your own race that that could

02:11:22.680 very well be true what you'd really be looking at though is the per capita percentage sure yeah let's get

02:11:29.220 that then yeah still working on it i'm not finding uh any but if it were the case i just want to know

02:11:37.620 if it were the case that interracially they attacked white women far more than white men attacked black

02:11:44.360 women then wouldn't you give the advice to your little sister to cross the street

02:11:48.980 yeah if that was a thing that was happening where where sure like black men are just out there

02:11:56.960 hunting white women like animals i guess i would you know you see you see hang on did you see how

02:12:01.860 you just characterized that with a terrible straw man did i say anything about black men hunting down

02:12:06.660 white people like animals as saying did i say anything about them hunting as saying white did i say

02:12:12.480 anything about them doing that no but no so you just made no there's no implication of that either

02:12:18.380 just an implication of the high men are sexual predators no the implication is only equally violent

02:12:24.200 what what okay how is that implied if it's the case that more black people do commit more our crimes

02:12:30.760 than white people do how is that anything other than a fact it's not a fact it is a fact it's not

02:12:38.600 are you sure we also have to test for we have to consider convicted for

02:12:44.260 oh it's even like i said it's even worse like i said earlier it's so much worse charlie than you think

02:12:51.160 it's so much going innocent charlie it's worse than you could ever imagine what do you mean you're

02:12:56.020 about to find out when brian pulls off the stats it's worse than you could ever imagine okay well

02:13:01.960 will you concede that uh not all convicted sex criminals are guilty of what they have done of course

02:13:10.760 okay but well you can see that we have a justice hang on but will you concede that

02:13:17.900 most of the people who are convicted of the crimes that they commit committed those crimes

02:13:24.080 because we're actually well then what's the point of things like judicial review

02:13:28.800 and what's the point of thing like what's the point of things like that what are the what is the point

02:13:33.540 of uh of doing all of these audits what is the point of all the studies and things like this

02:13:38.580 if crime itself was not mostly being placed in its proper categories and people being convicted

02:13:43.780 for the correct crimes people experience more outrage when um a member of the out group assaults

02:13:50.620 a member of the in group versus when a member of the in group assaults a fellow member of the in

02:13:55.080 group the out group right like like i think that people in general are going to be far more upset

02:14:01.080 about a black man as saying a white woman than they would be about uh a black man as saying a black

02:14:07.420 woman okay right let's just grant it sure looking at convictions there's also a history of uh false

02:14:14.360 accusations um you know against black man black men by white women that that is that is a fact that is

02:14:22.600 that has happened you know so i would also consider that as well um yeah i mean throughout the entire

02:14:29.960 historic standard sure but like just the last 10 years no there's not much of that all right not much

02:14:35.260 in the way of false accusations going on there things like dna we have dna testing that's the

02:14:40.180 that's the big one you know the dna but a lot of rape kits don't happen a lot of cases uh don't have

02:14:47.640 rape kits so i don't trust women or should we believe all women i think that you can uh believe victims

02:14:55.780 but i think that you can also account for um uh you know like a uh pattern of of racism

02:15:06.060 so don't believe in the justice system so don't believe all women

02:15:10.740 that's not what i'm saying well i don't understand that you should should i believe all women or not

02:15:18.560 you know what i'm gonna be real with you here no yeah fuck no i think that you should actively when

02:15:25.360 someone makes accusations yeah you should be careful but you should also investigate because

02:15:30.360 i have seen false accusations fly yeah i don't mean that you should be like you dumb b word you

02:15:36.320 deserved it you nasty but you should wait until you have have more confirmation okay i did find it

02:15:45.420 finally i apologize for the delay i think google might have been suppressing it i had to go to x

02:15:49.840 to find the actual infographic pull it up please um all right so you're mary you're gonna have to

02:15:56.440 make us smaller okay so uh make us right uh right small and then hide hide right this one okay

02:16:06.040 interracial violent incidents per capita of offending race uh and this is from a bureau of justice

02:16:13.440 statistics national crime victimization survey from 2018 so white on black there uh 30 hispanic on

02:16:22.560 black 76 well we'll just do okay so white and black 30 black on white 1 288 versus 30 for white on black

02:16:31.800 well gee chuck it seems like based on what you just said earlier if i could demonstrate this to you

02:16:39.880 you said that you would advise your little sister to cross the street do you hold to that

02:16:43.920 by the way this is incidents per 100 000 offender population do you hold to it chuck

02:16:52.020 do you hold to it are you gonna advise your sister to cross the street now

02:16:57.680 no because i think it's white boys that are getting beat up

02:17:01.320 can you pull up the s interracial essay statistics please sure give me a moment to find it

02:17:11.040 all right it's it's just going to get worse as we go here charlie i'm telling you it's just going

02:17:16.980 to get worse population is male half the population is female the encounters between uh and then 13.3

02:17:24.380 percent of the population is black yeah and even less of that is male it's only about six percent that's

02:17:30.760 male yeah and so but again the justice system remember that word we're looking for per capita

02:17:37.480 yeah the justice system also does punish black people more black people are convicted more for

02:17:44.280 the same crimes than white people did it ever occur to you it's because they commit more crimes

02:17:48.620 well if you look at comparisons to actual crimes committed versus conviction rates it's committing

02:17:54.560 crimes about the same rate but black people are more likely to be sentenced because they they're on

02:18:00.120 their third time doing a crime that's why and that's never adjusted for in the data you have

02:18:05.560 proof yes we can pull it up yeah name whatever study you want right now and i'll pull up the

02:18:10.380 methodology and i can guarantee you that if we look on the offenses by offense list is it oh this white

02:18:16.380 dude he um you know he went in and he stole a car and he got one year okay and this black guy got 10

02:18:22.840 years that's not fair and you know what's often left out that that's his 15th crime and that's why

02:18:29.500 he got the higher sentence that's what i've noticed when i look at that data but the thing i'm like i'm

02:18:35.000 willing to look at whatever data you got i'm happy to parse it out i didn't prepare for this i know i

02:18:39.840 understand because i did not prepare i i prepared for debate on feminism that is but this is part of

02:18:45.040 that debate because it's showing a worldview inconsistency that you have which is that men are mean bad

02:18:50.160 evil patriarchy you would advise your sister to cross the street right in order to avoid them

02:18:54.740 men are evil mean bad okay okay you're right that was a straw man so let me be more charitable okay

02:18:59.220 you would tell your sister to cross the street when it came to a group of rowdy young men

02:19:04.200 right and you would and you you say that you would advise her to do that even if she personally didn't

02:19:10.040 have any bad experiences with rowdy young men just based on experiences you've had and data and

02:19:16.960 various things you've observed and yet if somebody does that and says to their little sister hey stay

02:19:23.500 away from young black men right based on the same exact criteria that's somehow fucking racist that's

02:19:29.660 what's crazy to me is like just can we get some consistency we didn't pull up the essay rates and

02:19:35.080 again i would think that violent offenses when you see this charlie when you see this but again we also

02:19:41.640 discussed that the that the justice system is more likely to it's not look as saying white women

02:19:48.000 are to convict you know what i'm even willing to give it like i'm even willing to give it some

02:19:52.840 absurdly high number like they're wrong about five percent okay and it wouldn't even come close to

02:19:59.800 compensating for the distinction not even close all right i mean do you personally experience a fear of

02:20:10.300 of black people it's not a fear of black people it's an understanding and by the way do you know

02:20:16.060 who taught me this black men they were the ones who taught me this because you know who doesn't who

02:20:23.580 who's the least likely to walk around a group of young black men they don't know black men that's

02:20:29.940 the wildest shit but it's true depending on the area yeah yeah i think it highly depends on the area

02:20:34.960 again like if you are walking through an area that has like a lot of did you by chance find them

02:20:39.900 stats still looking for it someone will send it to you on x but yeah it's it's bad charlie it's bad

02:20:45.160 so like the the interracial distinction is not even in the same universe and neither is the violent crime

02:20:51.900 assault rates um and if we go down by women it's it's even worse it gets it's just every time you go to

02:20:58.900 the next criteria it just will get worse for your argument i promise i would just i would just bite the

02:21:04.480 controlling for gang violence yeah even if we control for gang violence even if we control for

02:21:11.220 gang violence even if we have the same socioeconomic systems even if we have the same amount of money

02:21:17.540 being made right it always seems to be the case that this is the case that they're convicted more

02:21:24.000 yes okay well i would want to do my own research into this because again uh conviction rates don't

02:21:31.540 indicate that someone is doing more of the crime necessarily or is more guilty of it i think they

02:21:38.160 do indicate that in fact that conviction rates do indicate that i think that you have a point where

02:21:42.700 you can say hey um we should look into these conviction rates and see if it's the case that

02:21:49.380 you know a b and c is correct that's fine right but you would have it would have to be a lot of

02:21:55.540 convictions i'm telling you it's it's pretty bad and lopsided but anyway back to this i guess i do

02:22:01.800 have the data okay yeah it says per capita let's see here hold on per capita black arrest rates for

02:22:09.740 rape slash sexual assault are estimated at two to three times higher than white rates to uh 2.6x overall

02:22:17.440 yeah i fully believe that black men are arrested for rape more 100 at three times the rate yes yes but

02:22:26.580 i don't think they commit it more than than white men based on what just looks like your gut feeling

02:22:34.180 sexual assault rates are pretty consistent across races no they're not no they're not they're not

02:22:41.220 except for indigenous women no no just not at all they're not consistent like for instance

02:22:46.120 asians they commit the least amount of it like the least amount in the united states of sexual

02:22:51.540 assaults right now that's true that they consistently commit the least amount i'm willing to agree with

02:22:57.040 that but that would obviously have a logical entailment that black men commit the most amount

02:23:03.780 right that would be the entailment there so like if if we're saying that it's it's the rates are

02:23:10.460 consistent so asians are consistently low then wouldn't that put like black men at consistently high

02:23:16.960 i would be curious about that because if we look at

02:23:21.920 like korea in japan where sa is kind of like so severe to the point that like women in japan have

02:23:32.200 their own like train carts i would be curious if that has to do again with people feeling pressure

02:23:39.340 to conceal these sorts of things being less no it's because the loyalty to because those cultures

02:23:45.320 are fucking perverted as shit because they're godless and that's one thing that people forget

02:23:49.840 about is like it's you know like how japan has all the laws where they the they have the fucking

02:23:55.960 young girls walking around in the mini skirts at all of the schools and the principals you know they

02:24:01.060 they're always for it right they sell women's underwear out of vending machines they have massive

02:24:08.020 porn shops where you start on the bottom floor and as you continue to to ascend it goes from to

02:24:14.000 worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and more hardcore porn it's a very perverted society

02:24:19.120 well i lived in nevada for six years so this feels a little nevada is not as perverted as japan reno

02:24:24.580 there was porn shops everywhere it's been cleaned up now i lived in reno too and no there wasn't

02:24:29.000 cleaned up now there wasn't i was there 20 years ago there was not 20 okay well what part of reno did

02:24:34.040 well i mean you don't what do you mean reno's not big enough for us to be quibbling about parts

02:24:39.300 okay well at least when i was a kid there was a whole lot of naked ladies everywhere yeah there

02:24:45.480 was strip clubs there's still strip clubs there was uh prostitution houses that you had to go to way

02:24:50.400 outside of reno and then any farm yeah yeah and then uh they do weird things there okay well i don't

02:24:56.720 care and that's gross but anyway the point is is that inside of reno proper no it looks like a pretty

02:25:02.540 normal city there's a couple of extra strip clubs in the downtown area uh but no it was never like an

02:25:08.160 overly gross city if we googled youth pastor um crime i feel i've done this before it's all it's all sex

02:25:19.240 crimes so i feel like if we if we are saying that japan and korea are perverse because they are godless

02:25:27.140 i think that we should look at the the rate of like essays committed in churches as long as we can

02:25:38.080 look at the amount of essays committed in public schools charlie sure yeah we can absolutely do

02:25:42.580 that and so the thing is is like uh-huh wouldn't it stand to reason that predators go where the prey is

02:25:48.960 yeah well then why wouldn't they move into being youth pastors to get access to children just like

02:25:54.000 they go to public schools to get access to children of course but those are people that we assume uh

02:25:59.060 believe in god and we assume that the secular ethics held by teachers uh same ethics that you hold

02:26:06.160 right or that they're not going to diddle kids but they fucking do well i mean what percentage of

02:26:11.660 teachers are atheist to be fair i grew up in a very religious area highly secular public schools are

02:26:17.680 highly secularized where they the well first of all the school system itself is secular period yeah of

02:26:23.300 course it's removed from religion yeah the how many are identify as being christian in the school

02:26:29.120 system who are women most of them are college educated and as you know the rates of not believing

02:26:34.600 in god among the college educated are pretty high yeah i'd say so yeah i also think it does highly

02:26:41.520 depend on on which area that you are well yeah everything depends on cities are going to yeah they

02:26:47.940 depend on areas but that would be the same thing for the youth pastor you know that's going to depend on

02:26:52.360 area too so the the but the point is yeah it's going to depend on area for youth pastors of course

02:26:58.820 just like it would for public schools of course no i think the essay rates would remain the same

02:27:04.100 what i mean is religion i don't think they do remain the same depending on demographic it's not

02:27:08.180 going to remain the same like for instance the i would say that in minority schools the chances of

02:27:13.280 molestations probably increase yeah so then yeah so then no that's not who's going to listen to

02:27:18.300 those kids yeah so it doesn't stay the same then that's my point we have uh we have some chats

02:27:22.760 coming through so we'll take a break for those a message from the government of canada

02:27:27.920 past chi george donated two hundred dollars and four cents if feminism is a net positive for western

02:27:34.960 society including other first world countries then why are many feminist countries suffering the

02:27:40.940 effects of birth rates and worker shortage crisis uh that is because when women are given the choice

02:27:47.720 to not have kids a lot of the time they choose not to have kids until they're ready for it and

02:27:53.860 while this problem is currently being mitigated uh through immigration i do okay hold on listen to me

02:28:01.380 i need you to hear me out all right i'm gonna hear you pause and hear me out people are resources

02:28:06.820 and to keep the world running uh on this grand global industrialized scale that we have it running

02:28:14.260 on um we have to have resources i think even if you don't believe in climate change resources are

02:28:21.420 finite we will reach a point uh in which the rate at which we produce and we already produce too much

02:28:27.380 like things we already make too much stuff that we don't use we will run out of resources i think

02:28:32.600 that we are going to have to account for a world um in which we will make less and have less resources

02:28:40.580 less people is good for that i think that this just signals the beginning of what will become a trend

02:28:47.020 across the world which is women having less children and i think we have to figure out the problem or the

02:28:52.880 answer to that problem sooner rather than later yeah so uh all everything you just said is total

02:28:58.520 bullshit and i'll demonstrate it all the book the book which predicted this is called the population

02:29:03.240 bomb it predicted the same exact thing that you did that as the population increases resources are

02:29:09.100 going to become more finite oh no it's not population increase it's it's the how much we produce we make

02:29:15.280 too much because we are making too much for who to sell crap to who to the consumers so then that

02:29:23.640 would require would that require more or less people to sell more no but we make more charlie would

02:29:30.160 it make yeah okay right but the more people you have the more shit you make right yes and we also

02:29:36.500 build it to break yeah but so we're no yeah i get it i get it but just hang on hang on just stay with me

02:29:40.900 if you if you make more stuff for more people then that infers you need more people and what you're

02:29:46.900 saying is we need to as as the birth rates decrease we're going to stop making more stuff for more

02:29:52.380 people because there's less people uh well i think that our we're going to run out of uh resources to

02:30:00.120 do so i think it will become more dangerous more taxing on the environment and what wants to build

02:30:06.260 uh to continue like rapid industrialization like again making the amount of crap that we do

02:30:12.900 for yeah but we only make the amount of crap we do because we have a lot of people right

02:30:18.240 we make more than we actually need though i mean you see grocery stores throw away all the food but

02:30:23.300 do you understand how that doesn't answer the question like my question is if we had five people

02:30:28.580 are we going to make less for them than nine people even if we make more than what nine people need

02:30:33.220 sure but that's not actually how capitalism functions we like the rate of production always goes up even

02:30:40.520 when needs are met it always always always goes up forever like never ending growth is is the point

02:30:46.900 like a cancer and again we always make things to break we make things to break so that we can keep

02:30:51.900 selling people the same things if we produced as much as we needed and we made things to not break

02:30:58.700 but charlie the the population bomb predicted that and just let let me finish that society was going to

02:31:05.980 increase in in size and what was going to happen is because of the massive amount of resources that

02:31:11.900 would then be necessary there was going to be a collapse it was going to bomb the opposite happened

02:31:16.800 the population exploded and now we had all of the manpower on deck in order to take care of

02:31:22.880 everybody food distribution like under your crazy system right we have enough food to feed everyone

02:31:28.140 correct yeah but that's only because we have the people resource that's that's the only reason

02:31:32.800 like do you know the logistical nightmare it is to get bananas all over the world they grow in like

02:31:37.860 three places but what i'm saying is that how do you do that without people that's not sustainable

02:31:41.840 though why isn't that fucking sustainable yeah it is i mean we're gonna run out of natural resources

02:31:47.460 eventually what natural resources do you think we're gonna run you put the seed in the ground and it

02:31:52.440 grows and then it makes more seeds that's how it works it's we've been going like that for thousands of

02:31:58.380 years forest is one oil as well i mean so much of the amazon has been mowed down to to grow soy to feed

02:32:08.000 to cows and then they have like what is it the cheese cave in wisconsin where they store all the

02:32:14.640 cheese that they're not selling and we also have to supplement farmers when they don't sell the stuff

02:32:18.820 that they're making um which sucks uh so again like this this rate of production is not sustainable

02:32:26.280 yeah but that's not that's not look if if it was the case that you wanted to actually do something

02:32:32.520 about that then wouldn't you move towards a more capitalist society because under a more capitalist

02:32:37.020 society we wouldn't be subsidizing fucking anybody for anything right the whole point yeah i mean with

02:32:42.320 farmers specifically yes that would change but also there wouldn't be the same pressure to create more

02:32:47.620 significantly more than we actually need and also when it comes to uh you know well they're not making

02:32:53.640 more than we need if you're storing cheese you're storing it to sell it later right oh it's because

02:32:58.520 it's overproduction i mean do you know how much food grocery stores throw out oh yeah tons because

02:33:02.600 it expires yes because we're making more than we need yeah but you have to do that because you have

02:33:07.780 what's called a market predictor if you don't have a market predictor you know much worse it would be

02:33:11.640 like just trying to guess how many tomatoes people wanted to eat that would be really difficult to do so

02:33:17.160 you have a market predictor and you do an overage of that because you're like well we could sell that much

02:33:22.060 or we may make a little bit more than we actually are going to sell but we want to have more because

02:33:26.780 more than a little bit more in which in which field i mean in like because it's scalable right

02:33:33.960 like you're trying to make for every single market enough ground beef but you're never going to be

02:33:38.180 able to hit that on the nose so wouldn't you rather come in over than under like that's the whole point

02:33:42.960 isn't it sure i guess but again we're we are at a like in in a place where it's not just you know

02:33:50.320 trying to have enough to to ensure that you have a little bit of a surplus it's making as much as

02:33:57.340 possible to meet the demand not the demand i think with yeah the demand on farmers i don't want to

02:34:04.060 speak on farmers um because i don't well they're subsidized yeah that's different again but most

02:34:09.300 people only bring to market what they think they're going to be able to sell do you think that farmers uh

02:34:14.700 do they do farmers make more do they get more subsidies when they make more final thought on

02:34:21.980 this one yeah if you guys can't okay yeah we'll bring it back to feminism and we do have some more

02:34:26.140 q and a's coming through okay okay we'll just move it on then we have jones here with the message jones

02:34:31.760 donated 100 by andrew's logic does he want to roll back the civil rights movement protections against

02:34:39.040 discrimination plus discrimination is against christian ethics there are verses in scripture

02:34:44.580 that condemn it yeah so that's that's great are we supposed to legislate that into law though

02:34:51.500 are we supposed to legislate into law or is the whole point of following christian ethics that you're

02:34:57.480 doing it of your own volition so um i don't see any problem like people discriminate against each other

02:35:04.800 all the time for all sorts of reasons that make a lot of sense like just a lot of times discrimination

02:35:10.580 makes a lot of sense and people always pretend that it doesn't but it does um for instance organizations

02:35:17.940 that don't want to hire women i completely fucking understand why they don't want to i totally get it

02:35:24.900 women cause all sorts of problems in a workplace they have to now deal with uh you know co-workers

02:35:30.100 potentially having sex uh or you know sort of all sorts of allegations that wouldn't normally happen

02:35:35.740 in intersexual dynamics that now are being brought into the workplace i totally understand

02:35:40.040 why men wouldn't want to hire women this seems fine to me when you're talking about the civil rights

02:35:44.560 act itself uh i don't think that there's any problem with saying that look you have to provide

02:35:50.260 medical care if there's a black man dying in front of your building okay maybe we can make some

02:35:55.120 compromises there but when it comes to the fact that you can tell a black man that he can't

02:35:59.220 serve a white person or he has to serve a white person because they're white uh yeah i'm not

02:36:04.820 really sure that that uh i don't i'm not really sure that that should be codified into law i think

02:36:10.220 that that has nothing to do with actual freedom and that that's all bullshit cope like how's that

02:36:15.460 maximize freedom for anybody it doesn't it doesn't and you have a business and it should be up to you

02:36:21.560 to be able to hire and fire who you want for any reason any time because it's yours

02:36:25.340 so as americans i feel that our country is naturally um you know diverse and inevitably

02:36:36.460 you have to encounter it's unnaturally diverse well i mean not naturally you can blame the

02:36:43.720 i mean we could talk about you know colonizers and slavery and you know economic crises around the

02:36:50.580 world some of which we've manufactured um it's like you have to learn how to live with people

02:36:57.300 who are different from you no you don't yes you do no if you want to live in america you do you kind

02:37:03.480 of i don't how but see how that's not natural like how you contradict your position when you say

02:37:08.580 oh it's a natural it's natural it's like it's not natural the truth is is that people naturally

02:37:14.080 don't gravitate to people who are much like they usually gravitate to people who are like them

02:37:18.640 not unlike them right yeah we also again we we live in a very diverse nation yeah but that was

02:37:26.040 for that's that's due to being it was forced on us that's forced on us it's wildly unpopular

02:37:32.100 everywhere every western nation that exists mass migration is wildly unpopular people hate how do you

02:37:38.260 think trump got in he got in because people were sick of mass migration they hate it it's like that's

02:37:43.740 not natural that's totally fucking unnatural that's the completely opposite of natural

02:37:48.360 what happened is a bunch of fucking corporate fucks wanted to exploit cheap labor yes okay yeah

02:37:55.420 exactly correct and so the thing is is like i don't want that to happen anymore that's akin to

02:38:00.820 me to slavery one and two the people here don't like it and three right uh this is our nation we don't

02:38:07.440 have to share it with anyone like it on the your ancestors were immigrants and my ancestors were

02:38:14.280 immigrants no and they had to they had to assimilate immigrants immigrants no first of all okay my

02:38:21.260 ancestors were immigrants that's great they were immigrants and but let's take it let's take it all

02:38:25.340 the way let's take it all the way back to the beginning do you the colonizers yeah no they weren't

02:38:29.340 colonizers yes they've made colonies they made colonies for european countries so you call so did the

02:38:34.580 native americans who came here from asia they made colonies they were colonizers so the a colony a

02:38:40.560 colony has to have like a base it has to have like a base country yeah so indigenous people packing up

02:38:46.140 all their crap going in asia and moving and that's their permanent settlement that's different than

02:38:51.260 having a colony what i'm sorry i'm confused most of the colonizers were not living there forever

02:38:56.840 are you are you went back and forth yeah are you aware colonies that were under the jurisdiction

02:39:01.400 of european do you consider all asians to be the same people group no so multiple people incredibly

02:39:06.940 diverse so multiple people groups came here over the span of thousands of years yes okay great so

02:39:11.900 then guess what that means that if you have people who come all the way over here and they make

02:39:18.540 themselves a nice home base right it's now their land and then more asians come across that land

02:39:24.180 bridge right to wherever they're at and they make themselves a little base they're doing what charlie

02:39:29.700 they're colonizing that's not what a colony is what is it the definition of a call pull up a colony

02:39:34.720 a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country typically a

02:39:43.340 distant one and occupied by settlers from that country another definition a group of people of

02:39:48.660 one nationality or ethnic group living in a foreign city or country so it would be under

02:39:53.160 definition two hang on hang on of another foreign no you're lying that's not he just read it alone

02:39:59.720 read part two again definitions have two this has two different definitions and you're selectively

02:40:06.020 only picking yours uh out of convenience read definition two for colonizer every part of american

02:40:11.840 history no it goes against your stupid feminist bullshit read read section two colonies are they were

02:40:18.900 colonies too those were colonies also and also what i gave you examples of are also colonies

02:40:25.060 it's both even going to grant that absurdity like then what were the can you read definition two charlie

02:40:30.720 stops berging charlie stops berging charlie stops berging charlie charlie just let him read the second

02:40:36.120 definition a group of people of one nationality or ethnic group living in a foreign city or country

02:40:42.560 what's your objection charlie what's your objection now okay so tell me what's the objection now chuck

02:40:49.460 what is it normal people with brains understand that when we say colonizer in colony it they're

02:40:56.400 called colonies because it is under the control of european nations are you going to doubt that

02:41:01.500 what was the foreign nation that controlled the indigenous the indigenous nation can you read

02:41:06.800 definition one brian yes a country or area under the full or partial political control of another

02:41:13.800 country typically a distant one and occupied by settlers from that country so charlie what you're

02:41:18.520 talking about right now you're right those are colonizers and what i'm talking about right now

02:41:24.000 are also colonizers what city did they settle in what nation did they settle in well if you want to

02:41:30.600 look up the aztec nations we can if you want to look up the uh mayans weren't there until they

02:41:35.420 went there and then other people came after and settled in those areas and built colonies and

02:41:43.560 they were not within foreign nations or they don't yes they were foreign to them yes of course those

02:41:50.040 were not settled areas they were settled areas that over so this land bridge existed between asia

02:41:57.300 there were various but they were not they were not colonizing foreign nations well according to the

02:42:02.440 definition that we just read unless you can tell me why that definition is wrong they were

02:42:06.940 unless you can tell me what what freaking vassal state they were they were subred that's not read

02:42:15.020 the definition again foreign nation read the definition again brian one or two two a group of people of

02:42:21.180 one nationality or ethnic group ethnic group in a foreign city or country ethnic group that and you think

02:42:27.000 that indigenous people living in the u.s have their colonizers if i were to even grant that which is

02:42:33.680 ridiculous in the same capacity that european settlers were calling okay do you understand that what

02:42:39.940 you're doing right now is fallacious it's called equivocation i literally separated out the two concepts

02:42:45.860 both are colonizers both you say only one is yet i gave you the definition right a legitimate definition

02:42:54.820 for colonizer which includes you just have to be part of that ethnic group and go to a foreign land

02:43:01.600 that already has people in it and now you are a colonizer and so the thing is charlie is like i'm sorry

02:43:08.360 that we colonized the colonizers but it's definition or definitionally true that we did

02:43:14.140 they were colonizers first sorry sorry native americans they colonized first those were not settled

02:43:20.920 lands i i do not accept this oh they weren't they weren't settled lands so you didn't so how over

02:43:26.760 how many thousands did yes did indigenous peoples fight over land yes yes correct but were they

02:43:32.180 colonizing the areas yes settled in if they were migrating one ethnic group migrating to another land

02:43:38.460 which was already occupied they were colonizing it natives did it all the fucking time constantly

02:43:44.700 they moved all over the plains indians did it all the time the pueblo nations did it all the time

02:43:49.660 the south american uh very far south american tribes did it all the time they were constantly fighting

02:43:55.080 do you think that that is the kind of language that the average person would use to describe what

02:43:59.760 the native americans did yeah i think if it was explained to them they would yes i think that

02:44:04.980 what's happened is a bunch of you bullshit artists gave us the myth of the noble savage is that from

02:44:10.940 the greasy strangler it's the myth of the noble savage the idea i know what the noble yeah and

02:44:16.940 it's a myth i am incredibly well aware that there were many indigenous tribes that were very violent

02:44:21.220 it's not just that no no no no no no that doesn't capture that they took land from each other doesn't

02:44:26.420 even begin to capture no no no they weren't just very violent let's tell the truth they were raping

02:44:32.280 kids why don't you tell the truth that they were taking people on top of pyramids and cutting their

02:44:37.260 fucking hearts out and sacrificing it to raw like what do you what these weren't it wasn't just like

02:44:43.840 they were a little different than us they were a little more violent they were no no no they weren't

02:44:48.440 the same it was a completely different people group you think you're and they were fucking colonizers

02:44:54.280 yeah the whole different brand do you know what whole different brand if i came across a people

02:45:00.180 group that was sacrificing human beings and also essaying little kids i'd fucking take them out too

02:45:06.220 well pagan nations or pagans uh allegedly have done things like that and the christians converted

02:45:14.960 them from their heathenistic barbarians ways didn't they do you think that the spanish inquisition was

02:45:20.500 was uh civil no the spanish inquisition was catholics in a single region it was a single region

02:45:30.280 when catholicism owned the whole world they did what they did to each other was that was that civilized

02:45:35.920 no of course not it was crazy yeah i agree it was awful but you're also talking about an

02:45:41.000 organization which spanned the entire world and controlled it and one region of it had issues

02:45:46.300 like that it's like bringing up an example the united states doing bad things yeah it's not christians

02:45:51.580 do do bad things but again if i were to come across a society that did that that was doing that type of

02:45:57.100 shit i completely understand why they got fucking wiped out i get it well you know the aztecs yes you

02:46:02.740 know there were indigenous and the mayans that were uh and the incas and i mean but the list goes on and

02:46:07.880 on were not they were not as violence the aztecs yes the mayans were very violent pretty much take

02:46:12.760 the cake i feel like for the most well whatever the point is is like look indigenous tribes they were

02:46:17.560 colonizers is my point and feminists have been lying to people for years and so have for you

02:46:22.240 progressive leftists and pretending that europeans came here and colonized these poor people's lands and

02:46:27.560 took them over they were already colonizers so who do they get who who would you have recommended

02:46:32.480 they give the land back to like who should they have given it back to uh that would have to be

02:46:38.600 determined by them yeah because we stole their stolen land did we steal their stolen land ludicrous

02:46:43.980 to consider the um like the the american colonies to be the same as that at all like do you do like

02:46:52.640 when we say colony and colonizer you understand that people think of the american colonies the 13

02:47:00.500 colonies right that were under jurisdiction do you understand how you're equivocating again

02:47:04.840 like when you're integral to american when you say colonies that rebelled well when you say

02:47:10.820 colonizer you mean a colony right yes people that foreign people that live in a colony established by

02:47:19.000 a foreign state that they are under the jurisdiction of that exists primarily for trade or an ethnic group

02:47:25.220 which goes to an already settled area right and begins to settle it against the will of the people

02:47:33.560 in the settled area suggestion of trade and of a foreign nation being in control of that area it

02:47:38.420 doesn't have to be that's not definitionally true i mean i guess very technically but that's not how

02:47:44.180 people would use it's not how you leftist use it because you want to pretend you want to pretend that the

02:47:48.860 natives weren't colonizers themselves when they were because they were i think it's referring to a

02:47:54.120 very specific historical context no i think that it's just trying to say white people are bad because

02:47:59.860 they came and took the indians land it's like meanie heads on the on the basis of how those colonies

02:48:05.340 functioned they were under the jurisdiction of of foreign nations and they rebelled against them and

02:48:12.920 established the united states of america and were no longer colonies like this is it's not me being a

02:48:18.000 annoying yes i agree with basic american history i don't understand your point though when you call

02:48:23.560 us colonizers is that meant to like be be nice to us or is that meant is it meant to be disparaging

02:48:30.620 it's a fact is it meant to be disparaging uh

02:48:36.380 yes it's clearly meant to be disparaging not in every context are you gonna guess are you really

02:48:44.760 gonna try to sit here and fucking gaslight me that when you call us gas that when you call us

02:48:49.660 colonizers that's not meant to be this fucking gaslight me charlie go ahead i'm listening gaslight

02:48:56.020 me if i call my ancestors colonizers that's what they were some of them were some of them weren't

02:49:01.360 yeah and it's not is that meant to be disparaging though isn't it a fact is it meant is it meant to

02:49:07.640 be i'm not asking you what's factual i'm asking you if it's meant to be negative or positive if i go

02:49:12.540 over to an ugly fat chick and i say hey ugly fat bitch right that's factual right i mean do you

02:49:18.940 hang on charlie is that factual uh well we don't know if she's a bitch okay well is it factual that

02:49:25.360 she's ugly if i just say hey ugly fat lady is that factual oh beauty is subjective no okay maybe

02:49:30.600 fat could be factual is that meant is that meant to be nice no it's mean okay so it's disparaging

02:49:35.880 so again now that we know that you know what that fucking word means and i'm not asking you for the

02:49:39.900 truth of the matter i'm not asking if it's factual when you say colonizer is it meant to be disparaging

02:49:45.360 or not i'm not saying it's disparaging i'm not saying it in a disparaging way what do you i could

02:49:52.760 use it in a disparaging way i have of course historically used it in a disparaging way because

02:49:58.380 there is a negative connotation yeah because you mean it you fuckers all mean it in a disparaging

02:50:03.000 way to say white people are bad and you just get literally right now this is the worst example of

02:50:08.260 gaslighting i've ever seen in my life people are bad huh do you think i think white people are bad i

02:50:14.100 think when you call them colonizers you're doing it in a disparaging way and how am i a colonizer by the

02:50:20.320 way well that wasn't all white i didn't call you a colon who is the colonizer then any of the

02:50:25.760 ancestors that immigrated to the colonies i see so like if my ancestors immigrated to the colonies am

02:50:34.520 i a colonizer no your ancestors were oh okay so not me no so i have nothing to do with that then

02:50:40.220 uh i mean i think that those like historical circumstances are still reflected in of course

02:50:46.620 of course yeah so i'm the beneficiary of the evil white colonizer

02:50:50.760 yes when your ancestors have the opportunity to make a lot of money yes you do benefit then don't

02:50:58.420 gaslight me next time charlie and just be fucking honest and say andrew when i say colonizer i mean

02:51:03.980 bad white people because that's what you mean when you say it isn't that the case instead of gaslighting

02:51:10.700 and bullshitting me why don't you just be like i mean bad white people sure i don't think all the

02:51:16.300 colonizers were evil people i know but when you say it in a disparaging way you're saying bad white

02:51:21.020 people if we're talking about america specifically yeah yes yeah but anyone can be like just next time

02:51:27.940 don't fucking gaslight and so the thing is so funny is like this is why i have to tell you what a

02:51:33.220 colonizer actually is no one uses it in that i don't know you people don't use it in that context

02:51:39.220 because you want to disparage white people like you just admitted that's why you refuse to give

02:51:44.120 people the second definition of what a colonizer is because you want to disparage white people you

02:51:49.440 want to pretend that the indians who are here weren't colonizers when they fucking were and you

02:51:54.700 just want to disparate and so that's why it triggered you when i said hey uh the indians who

02:51:59.920 were here were colonizers and you were like no they weren't that's ridiculous they were too charlie

02:52:04.140 they were i'm triggered by it not out of race reasons i'm triggered by it because it's just

02:52:09.280 wildly inaccurate even the most right is wildly accurate say will refer to the 13 colonies as

02:52:15.420 colonies they are colonies i'm not disputing that colonies and would not use that word you know what

02:52:21.320 both and means both and yes it's true 13 colonies were colonies but it's also true that native americans

02:52:27.720 were colonizers both are true that's not the word that people would use no it's not the word you

02:52:32.740 people use because you want to disparage white people that's the truth it's because there's a

02:52:36.960 very very very heavy implication that there is a that white people are bad no that a foreign nation

02:52:43.640 has control of the colonies that it is under the jurisdiction of of a foreign nation puerto rico

02:52:49.260 is an american colony that's correct i agree yes it is it is a it is a it's a colony under the

02:52:55.880 jurisdiction of the united states we are foreign but i i also agree i also agree that um that there can be

02:53:02.420 colonies that have no central home nation that it's ethnic groups groups who could be migrating

02:53:07.360 who can create colonies like the huns did do you agree that they that when huns began to rome or when

02:53:13.980 the um um what was the the other big one not the huns the other big asian the mongols right when they

02:53:22.040 when they began to rome if they decided that they were going to start building on other people's lands

02:53:26.640 even though they didn't have a central land they were you know they were reporting to weren't they

02:53:30.460 colonizing that land i mean if it was all under the jurisdiction of their leader yeah i would say

02:53:35.980 so then the same thing happened with the natives that's the same thing they had leadership inside

02:53:40.060 their tribes they they traversed these massive land bridges over the span of hundreds or thousands

02:53:45.320 of years so they were consistently colonizing the same lands charlie

02:53:49.760 same shit i just don't think it you don't think it because then people can call native americans

02:53:58.640 colonizers and it'll piss them off that's why if you said that it wouldn't even be in the same

02:54:02.480 context of of white yeah because there is a moral there's a moral equivalency to be gained there yes

02:54:08.500 it's like why is it okay that they can do it as long as there's no like other nation they report to

02:54:13.440 as long as they just do it because their tribe tells them to it's the same shit i mean are they

02:54:18.240 busting in and taking land from people yes slaughtering them yes they were yes they were

02:54:22.920 busting in and taking land and killing fucking people yes and they by the way the natives did

02:54:26.980 that yes i'm well aware yeah constantly what do you mean yeah they did that was it in service of

02:54:31.940 that foreign state that would have control it doesn't need to be that's where you're definitionally

02:54:36.900 just lying because you want white people to be bad i don't want white people to be bad then why

02:54:41.620 did you admit that you're just trying to when you say the colonizer you're using it as a

02:54:46.520 disparaging insult towards white people that that's how you use it i didn't say it i said in

02:54:51.520 this it is typically in a negative context when that word is towards who white people

02:54:56.480 usually white people yeah usually white people usually white people yeah so that's also a fact

02:55:01.860 man i don't know what to say it's also a fact that indians did it charlie and you're

02:55:06.140 fucking this why i am well aware of the history of violence and slavery this is why i hate feminist

02:55:11.860 revisionism people i am very well aware all right of the that indigenous peoples participated in

02:55:18.360 rape torture slavery and violence i'm super aware of it you don't need to tell me that got it

02:55:23.920 we have five chats it looked like did you want to i was going to have smoke but i'll do i can do the

02:55:30.680 chats first unless you want me to have i'll take the smoke first actually that's my spoiler take the

02:55:35.520 smoke first i gotta pee all right unless someone wants to ask me about that question or there's one for

02:55:40.680 me i guess okay sure um james uh well it's below the threshold uh you know uh okay why not you're

02:55:52.240 lucky james you're lucky below the threshold enjoy charlie why aren't mexicans called colonizers

02:55:57.500 they're descended from southern europeans you won the lottery here james uh took land from the

02:56:02.900 indigenous people just like northern europeans they are they are called colonizers indigenous peoples

02:56:10.060 in mexico are uh you know still still oppressed even by people who share their blood do you know

02:56:18.620 how many white americans uh even you know settlers people considered legally white also had native

02:56:23.900 american ancestry it's it is what it is they're in california white settlers and mexican settlers would

02:56:31.840 be paid to hunt down uh indigenous californians so yes like yes that is uh

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02:58:41.540 i did it quick all right rock and roll i will have sorry for deigning to answer james i didn't

02:58:49.200 realize it was a no it's a it's okay this is from the government we need to be considerate of the

02:58:53.220 other patrons george donated two hundred dollars and four cents in canada aka turtle island many

02:59:00.760 indigenous tribes history keepers and legends state that when their ancestors came to north america it

02:59:06.620 was empty with no other people living there that's nice i'm glad that they have legends of that

02:59:11.160 but archaeological evidence shows that there's a land bridge at least this is the current

02:59:15.840 archaeological history that there was a land bridge which existed for thousands of years that they

02:59:22.380 were crossing into and they settled land and other people came right behind them to settle that same

02:59:28.020 land they settled on and they would fight over it because they created colonies and already staked out

02:59:33.040 land and i don't know what else you want to say about it but if you live in a land according to

02:59:38.520 the definition according to definition two of colonizer and somebody comes with a different

02:59:43.260 ethnic group and settles the same land you're settled on that's a colonize they're colonizing that's what

02:59:48.580 they're doing and so the whole idea here is see you see the equivocation how it's always a bait and

02:59:55.680 switch it's like no no you have to have a foreign government that's funding this otherwise it's not

03:00:01.660 really calling it it's like that's bullshit it's morally the the same equivalency it's morally

03:00:07.220 equivalent what's the difference do you think uh settler is disparaging towards white people

03:00:13.220 settler yeah settler i don't think that you guys use settler as disparaging i think you use

03:00:19.440 colonizer as disparaging oh i've heard settler disparaging i was going to say it can be i will grant

03:00:25.560 that settler that yes if they were they they settled lands yeah so the thing is is like

03:00:31.940 sometimes with no one there sometimes yeah but if you settle lands right that usually means not

03:00:37.440 conflict otherwise it's conquering lands right well you can conquer and settle can't you yeah after you

03:00:43.820 conquer them you can then settle sure but when you say settlers like do you do you consider the people

03:00:51.380 coming out of israel to palestine to be settlers people coming out of israel to palestine to be

03:00:56.820 settlers yeah when they come when they're making their settlements yes that's not colonization

03:01:02.500 uh it's both but i would consider them settlers as well okay right so they're colonizer settlers is

03:01:09.300 what you're really saying yes okay so then you're actually saying that these people were colonizer

03:01:14.080 settlers when you say settler you're just pointing back to colonizer in this context kind of

03:01:21.240 i do feel like again to me the context of there being a foreign nation that they are under the

03:01:27.260 is important i feel to i feel the definition of i feel like it's a morally equivalent statement

03:01:33.860 that you're just calling that you just call uh us colonizers because it's disparaging to white

03:01:40.480 people and the reason you don't call native americans colonizers even if they colonized is because

03:01:45.620 you know that they would consider that disparaging to them and say even though these are morally

03:01:50.280 equivalent acts and it's like it's so obvious to the onlooker like you realize that right like for

03:01:55.520 my side it's so obvious to us when your side calls it calls us colonizers and shit like that

03:02:01.680 that it's anti-white rhetoric and it's always been anti-white rhetoric think about it i'm isn't it i

03:02:07.860 mean you're you have the shit-eating grin because you know it's true though right like you're just

03:02:11.260 gaslighting isn't isn't the whole thing designed as anti-white rhetoric i feel like you are taking

03:02:17.720 me calling making a distinction between the 13 colonies which were under the jurisdiction of a

03:02:24.560 foreign nation farther than it's meant to go yeah i don't think so because when i see you you

03:02:31.500 crazy-ass leftists all over tiktok and all over these places talking about colonizer the last

03:02:36.100 last time i saw this in depth we were watching on the crucible there was there i don't know how

03:02:41.400 many was with us maybe at the time like 9 000 live viewers with me at the time as we were watching

03:02:46.460 uh people in front of portland who were trying to resist our nation's laws and one of the hispanics

03:02:52.800 who was there was going person to person and calling us colonizer you're calling white people

03:02:56.860 colonizers you need to get the fuck stop ice right now you colonizer you came here and colonized we

03:03:03.120 have we have the right to be here we have the right to be here because you're colonizers and so

03:03:08.220 the thing is is like yeah you know i do think that he meant it and he literally said it's because you're

03:03:14.220 white you're the you're the beneficiary of colonization yeah but that's also kind of hilarious because when

03:03:19.640 you're talking about portland you're talking about people with white guilt to the most extreme this was

03:03:24.880 a hispanic guy yeah yeah i know but he was talking to the white people no he was talking to white

03:03:29.040 conservatives oh the white conservatives okay never mind he was calling them colonizers i thought

03:03:33.720 he was doing that and what you guys do what you white liberals and left yeah and you and you fucking

03:03:38.320 progressives do this constantly you call them colonizers and then at the same time say there's

03:03:42.300 no anti-white rhetoric there's no anti i'm not all of those people i okay i get it i get it it's a

03:03:47.480 generalization i understand even though you yourself said that you use it disparagingly towards white

03:03:51.860 people but i'm i mean it depends upon the context in which it is the context and the most of the

03:03:55.820 ways that i've seen you use it in your videos it was not polite towards white society that's for

03:04:01.200 sure i don't know which videos you're referring to but that's okay like clips or whatever yeah like

03:04:05.200 every time yeah every time i hear you talk about the colonizers okay it's not used in like a charitable

03:04:11.100 light and the beneficiaries of colonizers it's not used in a charitable light and when i see that i know

03:04:16.820 for sure everybody knows who's watching it right we can intuit it out in seconds and when we put you to

03:04:22.880 the question we figured out even faster that it's anti-white rhetoric masked as being historically

03:04:28.360 accurate and it's like it's really not either of those things it really is just a way for progressives

03:04:35.560 to utilize anti-white rhetoric and pretend that they're not being a bunch of fucking racist assholes

03:04:40.260 that's what i think that's what i think is going on but those things happened yeah you know but when i

03:04:47.140 tell you about things that happened right with native americans you're very quick to make excuses

03:04:52.580 for it and yet um here when it comes to colonization the idea that you had a clash of cultures and any

03:04:59.560 time two cultures clash this is what happens anytime when you have a disparage between technology yes

03:05:06.560 it's always the case i believe it again my my point on the colony just has to do with

03:05:10.720 the foreign state jurisdiction of a foreign state yeah that's one definition of colonizing i agree that

03:05:17.220 these were colonies okay i agree that they were beholden to a state and then they fought for freedom

03:05:22.280 formed a new state so then they were no longer colonizers they were born on this land they were

03:05:27.360 settlers well no at that point they weren't even settlers it was their land right it was theirs they

03:05:33.860 fought for it they got it i guess by yes european standards they had claimed the land correct by all

03:05:40.660 standards who has a standard that if you fight and take the land it's not yours what culture has

03:05:45.020 that standard but all of them do more about boundaries i mean it could be fought back they

03:05:49.600 could say this is our land we'll take it back you know like but yeah all right people would disagree

03:05:55.680 we have a message from the government of canada probably about seven or eight

03:05:58.720 donated two hundred dollars they're gonna be out of order when debating with andrew it's best to

03:06:04.800 know your history and not just cherry pick what you like or feel is right otherwise andrew

03:06:10.020 completely destroys your arguments and world views with facts lmfao this just for context this did

03:06:17.620 came come in a little bit earlier when you guys were debating i believe the race victimization stuff

03:06:24.020 we have a message from another one from pasty george pasty george donated two hundred dollars a bit

03:06:31.580 out of order we'll get to the rest andrew i'm agreeing with you that indigenous people were colonizing

03:06:36.720 the land in north america from the burring strait but you missed the point that it was initially

03:06:41.580 empty with no other people yeah but don't you understand the distinction there like you're

03:06:45.900 saying the same thing that i am even if they can't went to lands that didn't have people the people who

03:06:50.860 came after them who then settled in those lands remember most of those original groups right they were

03:06:56.460 replaced by other groups most of them were replaced by other groups and so it's like if that's the case

03:07:02.180 then it's just that what was left was probably mostly the remnants of of early colonization

03:07:07.300 between the land bridge tribes that took over other land bridge tribes so it's like it's all

03:07:12.960 colonization that's the thing that gets me is it's like but they don't want you to use that argument

03:07:18.180 because it's always used as anti-white rhetoric it's always used as anti-white rhetoric

03:07:23.260 thank you pasty we have bentonville sandy thank you for the bentonville sandy donated two hundred

03:07:33.320 dollars don't let tell me charlie nipple ate you like she did to goon squads since 2023

03:07:39.100 so this is a this is a man with schizophrenia um i don't know i know who that is he has

03:07:51.100 schizophrenia he doesn't have schizophrenia yes he does oh okay all right we have a message from

03:07:58.360 rachel coming up here uh andrew's wife rachel wilson donated one hundred dollars you have a degree

03:08:05.220 but don't know what the capital means you stream about politics but don't know basic crime statistics

03:08:12.360 you debate but don't make a single argument get back in the kitchen i have a master's in literature

03:08:20.700 but you have a ba too i have a ba in english literature yeah but requisites for those

03:08:28.320 class for history right you had yeah of course yeah yes yeah what is sorry sorry sorry um i'm sorry i'm

03:08:38.180 not intimately familiar with interracial crime statistics but i mean do you see her point though

03:08:45.100 when she's saying like um you're may if you make political commentary in the united states

03:08:50.940 right now we live in a very racially charged environment and there's no way around that

03:08:55.480 yeah and the fact of the matter is is that having honest conversations about interracial and racial

03:09:00.860 issues has been very difficult for 15 years because progressives just de-fucking platform anybody who

03:09:06.100 talked about it for years they just de-platformed them and so now there's there is a way in which people

03:09:13.160 can conduct and have these conversations and you find out that many of the political commentators

03:09:18.160 who are leftists don't even fucking know that this is the case and so we we think we think to ourselves

03:09:23.200 like how many fucking people have been hornswoggled by these people don't even they don't even know

03:09:28.240 they don't even know how the intersectionality of people groups has created these massive problems

03:09:35.100 and they don't even acknowledge it look at it nothing and from my view it's like that's fucking

03:09:41.120 terrible and it's horrible that that socially we have these societal issues and we can't do

03:09:45.620 anything about them because you can't even fucking talk about them i would say i think that you can

03:09:51.520 understand that poverty uh increases crime rates i agree with that absolutely but i do believe again

03:09:59.960 that it is uh more likely for a black person to be convicted of a crime versus a white person for the

03:10:06.600 same crime so i'm gonna have to stick with that okay all right we have another q a coming through

03:10:15.740 the assassinus is donated 100 can charlie answer the question directly or does her collage education

03:10:23.420 not allow for that would you like to respond to that i don't um i didn't study collage uh in college

03:10:30.740 um nor did i go to art school okay that was good retort i must have got it there yeah you gotta get

03:10:36.680 them there i gotta give you credit uh we have peacecraft question for charlie coming in here in just a

03:10:42.980 moment flat flavius thank you peacecraft donated 100 charlie would you find it ethical to conquer the

03:10:51.860 simbari and itra people of popular new guinea due to their cultural practices also andy the mongols

03:10:58.740 had a capital kakum okay that's fair wait is that the cum warriors yeah apparently they did

03:11:06.920 stop doing that after they got in touch with christians from the outside world no christians

03:11:12.200 i don't know was it christians or was it people from the it was christian i've argued this with

03:11:15.780 peacecraft before as christian missionaries uh and by the way i brought the mongols up just i was just

03:11:20.820 trying to give quick examples of like if it is the case that you in any way shape or form settle in

03:11:26.800 this according to definition too uh do you become a colonizer it appears that you do but even under

03:11:32.820 that definition they would have been colonizers right peacecraft so but anyway yeah that's that

03:11:37.320 that's his point is like um if you pull a question back up brian i think i think what he's getting at

03:11:43.480 there is like what would you do with them what would you do with them if you couldn't change their

03:11:47.700 practices no the papa new guinea tribes from the weird well i guess we'll never know the answer to

03:11:54.860 that question because they change their practices so they haven't changed them completely it's only

03:12:00.100 i think it's only one tribe that converted over because of christians and the other ones still

03:12:03.740 keep that practice in place gross well it's pretty gross i would uh encourage that tribe to spread the

03:12:11.000 practices because i think that there could be resistance to um you know outsiders attempting to

03:12:17.700 change them versus people from their own in group which is i think how you can kind of uh but if you'd

03:12:23.860 like just sailed across the come warriors of papa new guinea as they were engaged in that practice

03:12:28.920 and just like drop the bomb and they were just gone how does that make the world the worst place

03:12:34.420 dropping a bomb on a bunch of people that were raised into harmful traditions that

03:12:43.260 they perpetuate the cycle i mean each man that is you know yeah so how i i believe you like again

03:12:49.440 i think that you i totally believe you listen i boys raised in demand i totally believe you i know

03:12:54.340 you're right it's it's all based around cultural brainwashing and tradition that they're going to

03:12:58.360 continue the practice of sticking their penis and in those places with those adolescents yes it's bad

03:13:05.240 so if we went right and we just dropped the bomb right there and they were gone how's that make the

03:13:11.340 world the worst place charlie i think that killing a bunch of people is is wrong yeah that's not my

03:13:18.200 question would it make the world a worse place i mean yeah probably how i think that when you

03:13:25.100 murder a bunch of people the world is a worse place i think that bad acts make the world a worse

03:13:29.700 place yeah but i mean that's just question begging you're just saying it's bad it would make it worse

03:13:34.260 because it would make it worse people to bomb uh to make it okay to bomb other countries on the

03:13:39.980 basis of their practices i mean don't we do that all the time don't we do that all the time wouldn't

03:13:45.220 you wouldn't you agree that there are many countries out there or in cultures that view

03:13:49.280 american culture as like an abomination ed would want to do something about us right yeah like would

03:13:57.300 they not be just as and i really would like to stop importing people from those countries

03:14:03.240 okay well we don't really import too many of them uh yeah we do the middle east yeah we import a lot

03:14:10.360 of them and we import people who have savage cultural practices from africa as well and savage

03:14:16.660 cultural practices from south america we import tons of those too come from death cult cities and

03:14:21.640 all sorts of things quinceaneras no it's not quinceaneras that's uh do you know how corrupt the

03:14:27.500 government these governments in south america are due to the fact that they well aware but people can

03:14:32.180 be from corrupt you know nations with corrupt governments yeah how many of the cum warriors do you

03:14:36.760 want in your country i think that you could uh you know very much

03:14:42.820 help people like that oh you're gonna help them this is also a very unique circumstance in which it

03:14:50.680 is ingrained in their culture to diddle kids i don't know it seems to me like the people group who

03:14:56.860 are here that you're making them unnecessarily suffer by importing people groups they don't want here

03:15:02.080 well we're not importing them you are importing them from papua new guinea no no no no other people

03:15:07.440 groups that are all right well no one has practices as awful as that yeah no and if they do they're not

03:15:13.280 allowed to do it yeah they do and they well how would you even know they come up illegally you won't

03:15:16.800 even enforce the damn border you people won't even enforce the border they come up you don't even know

03:15:20.520 who the fuck's coming through the border you have no clue you people don't enforce the yeah the

03:15:24.280 progressives they did everything possible not to enforce the border the border you voted for the people

03:15:29.420 who were did you vote for biden yeah yeah you've said open border policies across a lot of people

03:15:36.880 because he let a bunch in still deported them holy shit did you uh i don't know if we got the full

03:15:44.920 answer though for from peacecraft would you find it ethical to conquer that tribe from yeah png

03:15:51.640 due to their cultural practices so not dropping bombs necessarily but would it be ethical to

03:15:57.800 conquer them to prevent the practice what no to conquer yeah no i think that you can i don't think

03:16:04.540 that that is how you actually enact change i think that you would okay go ahead i'm sorry that's wild

03:16:12.460 to me go ahead okay i need one of those seltzers successful missionaries generally don't go in

03:16:20.540 booze okay successful missionaries do you think that successful missionaries generally go in and

03:16:26.440 massacre a culture and say we're in charge of you now or do they carefully

03:16:31.220 change things from the inside because again this is incredibly delicate sometimes these people have

03:16:38.440 no conception that this could be wrong and so i think you have to be careful and sometimes missionaries

03:16:43.680 get their brains bashed in and they get their heads put on spikes well that's the kind of thing you

03:16:48.000 have to worry about yeah i know but if we if we just sent in the united states arm the marines we'll

03:16:54.280 just send in the marines and the marines come in and they're like ah you know we're gonna take this

03:17:00.440 whole like area over okay and um all you like chomos over here if you do any chomo stuff we're gonna

03:17:08.800 like take you out and the kids now we're gonna give them a proper education and baths and food and stuff

03:17:14.060 i think that the people would uh resent the rule and be less likely to change their practices

03:17:18.480 i think that there would be violent rebellion how would they be less how are they gonna violently

03:17:23.860 how are the uh primitive stone age warriors of papa new guinea gonna violently rebel against the

03:17:31.540 united states marine corps maybe not maybe not at that point but one day do you think that they're

03:17:36.740 going to be really resentful that they weren't allowed to molest kids anymore like what they're not

03:17:42.500 going to look at it from the traditional viewpoint but what they're going to see is is you know

03:17:47.240 foreigners invading their nation and killing them that's what they're going to see like again it's

03:17:52.600 just not if you want to you know uh affect real change i think that you would have to make an effort

03:18:00.040 again to influence and educate so what you're i just want to make sure that you understand the

03:18:05.180 entailment of your position is that right now if it is the case that in papa new guinea

03:18:09.080 kids are getting s-aid young boys are getting s-aid by adults who are making them eat their

03:18:18.060 ejaculate i know every day for weeks on end that you that would be a preferable condition to you

03:18:27.860 than to send in a fully armed force which can separate those kids from those people

03:18:35.280 that how could how could that possibly be better how could that how could not colonizing that

03:18:42.020 possibly be better you don't end up killing a bunch of people they did they just cross

03:18:47.320 generationally essay little boys yes i know it's a cycle of abuse it's horrible but they can recover

03:18:52.880 i mean like i don't know i'm i'm assume oops i assume you're opposed to uh women doing only fans

03:18:59.340 yeah okay what if we got every woman doing only fans on an island and bombed it would the world be

03:19:04.960 a better did i say bomb it right now yeah but right now we're not talking about that right now

03:19:09.580 we're talking about go in and kill them if we're not saying go in and kill them we're saying go in

03:19:14.280 and colonize them that wouldn't necessarily require a killing of any kind it would require us to

03:19:20.260 completely destroy their cultural practices and integrate them into our social hierarchy if a

03:19:25.220 foreign nation came came to our country and said do as we say or we'll kill you uh-huh do you think

03:19:33.620 the american people would lie down and take it no of course not we would rebel we would that's what

03:19:38.040 happened but if you have an overwhelming force right who comes in and you're uh you have primitive

03:19:43.560 technology and you're doing what the papa new guinea cum warriors are doing uh how could how could it

03:19:49.320 possibly be justified not to do that if you have that overwhelming force if you can't if you just go in

03:19:53.920 there save all those kids right recolonize so that it never happens again how is that not preferable

03:20:00.680 i think it is literally again more effective rather than through force like build a resentment fear and

03:20:09.860 rage in these people versus like help them so if these people let's say hypothetically they they never

03:20:16.380 want to take visitors again and they wall themselves off and they refuse right but you can still see in

03:20:22.720 there you have like your little recon plane and shit you can see that they're still doing these

03:20:26.200 practices isn't there an island that's like that where no one's allowed to go they killed a missionary

03:20:30.240 yeah i know they threw a spirit yeah yeah i'm aware of that but they're not doing the same things

03:20:33.720 that these people are doing as far as we know well no we can i think we can see in in but i'm not

03:20:40.500 sure but anyway but we could we could see in there right and note that they're still doing would you

03:20:45.420 let them do that in perpetuity rather than colonize them uh i mean okay granted uh you know sending

03:20:53.880 people to aid and educate and getting people who are a part of the they won't on your side they don't

03:20:59.720 want anything to do with those people my goodness i don't know what i would do if i was in charge of

03:21:04.080 that because i don't think that there's a situation where that happens you just didn't wait a second i just

03:21:11.740 want to make sure i got this right this situation is happening right now in papua new guinea i believe

03:21:16.900 that there's still one tribe of the cum warriors there and they're not taking visitors uh-huh so

03:21:22.200 do we just perpetually let them do this to kids i think that if you have encouraged the surrounding

03:21:28.780 tribes to view that as disgusting and vile i think that they'll take care of it themselves

03:21:33.940 by colonizing them uh most likely yeah sure

03:21:39.280 but i don't think that we need to go in foreign outsiders so colonizing different from them what's

03:21:48.560 the so as long as the neighboring tribes colonize them that's okay we colonize them not okay i mean

03:21:55.520 do you see the difference in how the resentment would build and what the long term i mean maybe but

03:21:59.740 you're just making the case that colonization here is actually okay either way in this extreme

03:22:06.500 absurd ridiculous situation well it's not extreme absurd hypothetical like it is going on right like

03:22:14.500 it is happening so it's not like i'm talking about something that's not going on sure yeah but again i

03:22:19.800 think that you can just let people figure it out themselves should we colonize north korea no

03:22:24.300 no no no should south korea colonize north korea

03:22:28.420 i don't know you don't know i don't want to help them if they try well i mean i just want it'll be

03:22:37.380 our money i just want to let you into it yeah yeah i just want to let you know though that

03:22:41.540 the entailment of this is that there are hundreds of thousands of women daily who are s8 in in north

03:22:49.060 korea in order to keep their birth rates artificially up they draft them right in the military

03:22:52.240 and they give sex squads to the dear leader should the south koreans colonize them western democracy

03:23:00.680 that's a western yeah it's a western style democracy i think that i'll leave that to the

03:23:06.400 south koreans um yeah but south korea also has its uh grave issues with women so i mean i don't know

03:23:13.400 dude not the same way that the north does not even the same universe i mean the sex pest stuff

03:23:18.500 is crazy that's do you realize and recognize the difference between you have sex pests in a

03:23:25.760 country right who are problematic and gropey and gross and and even a little bit rapey and then on

03:23:31.760 the other side of that you have girls as young as 15 you know actually younger 12 pulled right off the

03:23:38.440 street drafted in the military so that they can be part of pleasure squads are you sure that that's a

03:23:42.940 real thing that's happening because that does sound like like i'm not saying north korea is good

03:23:47.600 north korea is an awful dictatorship it's an awful dictatorship can you can you can you pull up north

03:23:53.240 korean pleasure squads but would you not agree that uh yeah just read what it says about the north korean

03:24:02.000 pleasure squads hold on and the pleasure girls it's absolutely horrific what they do to them i have

03:24:14.100 something from wikipedia which is a bit biased but it's an unconfirmed collection of groups of

03:24:19.720 approximately 2 000 women and girls reportedly maintained by the leader of north korea for the

03:24:25.080 purpose of providing entertainment including that of a sexual nature for high-ranking workers

03:24:30.660 workers party of korea officials and their families as well as occasionally distinguished guests and

03:24:36.520 we have thousands of north korean defectors maybe not as high as thousands but at least hundreds of

03:24:42.040 north korean defectors including high-ranking military officials who've defected who have

03:24:46.740 explained in great detail what's going on with the situation that like you know it's funny i gave a

03:24:53.160 hypothetical one time about an essay cage right these people have actual essay cages and you think that

03:24:59.840 they wouldn't benefit from the colonization like they you don't think so you don't think that would

03:25:04.240 be a benefit to that culture generally i think people can sort themselves out okay i don't i i am

03:25:12.960 concerned with changes in my nation changes that i can affect yeah look i we can find we can find in

03:25:19.880 all i don't really i don't know if i want to fund south korea's war against north korea i totally agree

03:25:26.040 really uninterested in it i also don't want to fund the invasion of papua new guinea look i totally

03:25:30.220 agree with you that it is the case that i don't think we should get involved in foreign affairs

03:25:34.180 my point wasn't to say that we should my point rather was to point out that saying that colonization

03:25:40.060 itself is somehow bad in and of itself is absurd and silly and makes no sense and it's very clear that

03:25:46.340 that colonization has been extraordinarily helpful to many places of the world as far as their social

03:25:51.900 order goes and that's like i don't even know why that would be questioned at this point what places

03:25:56.060 do you think like the ivory coast the ivory coast definitely has done way better under colonization

03:26:01.880 in comparison to the rest of the region okay but the rest of the region was you know africa was

03:26:08.660 colonized and now they're doing pretty pretty bad which parts uh well the the greatest example i can

03:26:15.040 think of is the is the congo and what happened there with was it was the king of the netherlands um

03:26:20.780 or belgium leopold what what what happened there in the congo like the the the enslavements and the

03:26:31.240 murders and shit yeah okay wait a second yeah like and now the congo is like like do you think that

03:26:39.120 those people were doing better i'm not familiar with uh with a particular situation talking about in the

03:26:44.780 congo like uh african history is not all that interesting to me but i do know that the ivory

03:26:51.260 coast which was heavily colonized has done extremely well due to colonization that's for sure well and i

03:26:57.240 also can point out that the that well i can actually give you a ton i think that the americas were made

03:27:03.340 better through colonization native americans have a higher quality of life now than they did pre-colonization

03:27:09.680 that's for sure i think everyone around the world does in most most most places if you have access

03:27:16.460 to modern technology you typically have a better yeah but all that modern technology a lot of that

03:27:21.020 modern technology came from north america and because we colonized and had access to massive amounts of

03:27:27.600 resources we were able to reshape the entire world and the technology in it so it's like it seems like

03:27:33.560 the world has benefited from colonization do you think that it could only have happened through

03:27:37.520 colonization no of course not there's other ways that it could have potentially happened but not

03:27:41.920 likely we have to move on to the next question joe 0861 donated 200 thank you joe brian please ask

03:27:51.360 both to answer and then look up the answers on google how many people died in the spanish inquisition and how

03:27:57.360 long did it last i want to say when i looked this up last time it was like uh 14 to 1700 people total

03:28:04.140 it wasn't a huge amount oh i was gonna say 500 i think it was 14 1700 but from the from the entirety

03:28:10.940 of it but i don't remember and i think it lasted like a decade i want to say it wasn't long it wasn't

03:28:17.120 a long time period according to uh google ai the spanish inquisition lasted for over 350 years

03:28:26.460 1478 to 1834 with its final abolition and there seems to be records indicate around 826 executions

03:28:36.820 in person 778 in effigy but another estimate says executions between 1480 and 1530 yeah okay so

03:28:49.600 between 1400 and 1700 i was pretty close all right we have pasty george here coming in

03:28:56.400 a message from the government of canada pasty george donated 200 and four cents yeah right

03:29:03.960 andrew i think i understand what you are trying to say in the end it was humans colonizing other

03:29:10.820 humans in canada many indigenous tribes fought one another for territories and hunting grounds

03:29:17.260 yeah i'm just saying exactly so i'm just saying that the very this idea i think that the idea is

03:29:23.800 being utilized specifically by leftist progressives especially ones who are college educated they use

03:29:29.760 the term colonizer specifically as a disparagement on modern white men that's what i think and i've

03:29:37.500 seen it now so many times and so as the crucible audience it's almost it almost seems impossible for

03:29:42.940 me to see it any other way and so my point is just to point out like everybody colonized fucking

03:29:47.980 everybody including the native americans by the very definition of what colonization is

03:29:52.280 uh as i demonstrated multiple times that's but even if we go back to the beginning where there's a

03:29:57.440 land bridge they were they yeah they definitely colonized each other constantly so it's like

03:30:02.160 you colonized the colonizer you stole from the thief you murdered the murderers it's like

03:30:06.340 at what point do we have a moral equivalency here it makes you feel any better uh i took a course

03:30:12.640 of my undergrad taught by an indigenous professor who um uh made us read books specifically on the

03:30:19.980 creek tribe which included their long history of slavery so all right we have a chat here from

03:30:26.860 pat pat donated 99 thank you pat great debate charlie words can have multiple definitions and migrate over

03:30:35.880 time you are brainwashed into selectively only accepting one definition to push an ideological message

03:30:42.180 that benefits some see that's what i think i think pat's right like that's what that's what i think

03:30:48.400 we've been able to infer from this that's what i inferred from it it's like nope that ideological

03:30:53.200 message it's really that only that one definition that matters because that's the definition that

03:30:57.940 reinforces the worldview would you like to respond to andrew or the question i don't think pat or andrew

03:31:06.060 is going to believe me when i say i just feel strongly that a colony requires a uh in its common

03:31:13.440 usage is going to require a foreign government to have jurisdiction over it that is just again in

03:31:21.040 common usage that is that is how the word is used but it's just such a it's just such an appeal to

03:31:26.800 emotion especially when you say like you feel that that is the case when we had a definition for it

03:31:33.260 any other way okay well let me just ask you this would you reject definition two that we gave you

03:31:38.320 for colony would you reject it like you can you can just not accept the definition as being true

03:31:43.200 um i wouldn't reject it um completely but i would say that i think that it is uh there are certainly

03:31:52.140 much better words to describe that phenomenon which is like settling settler like again because colony just

03:31:58.280 has a very strong implication of foreign government in charge of that like like again i just feel like

03:32:04.560 they are fundamentally uh different especially when we're talking about the 13 colonies but you see

03:32:11.160 like the whole point of the war of independence is that we would have our own freedom and no longer

03:32:14.480 be colonies but be but i mean there was colonies that had nothing to do with the 13 colonies

03:32:18.820 obviously yeah of course yeah so like you just you continuously bring it back to that because it seems

03:32:25.880 to reinforce your worldview that uh you want you need this definition to be true so that your prism of

03:32:31.800 history is true well i'm an american informed by american history i guess is all i can say

03:32:36.580 yeah well i mean that american history was british history too right yes yes because yeah there was

03:32:44.460 british history british and french and spanish but anyway the point is is like yeah it just seems like

03:32:49.320 there's a bias operation there that's all i'm saying i won't deny that yes many many many people on

03:32:54.300 left use colonizer in a negative way including you i have used it before in a negative way when i'm

03:33:00.220 referring to negative things and i will say that yes it is it has been used in in ways that i think are

03:33:06.500 disingenuous bees donated 100 how else could the vast natural and human potential of the americas have

03:33:16.760 been organized into globally influential technologically advanced societies without the disruptive but

03:33:22.940 ultimately transform at i couldn't have

03:33:25.580 like i i can concede that it could be logically possible that it could have i mean i think that

03:33:34.660 it's not likely i mean it's not like europe itself all technological innovations sprung just from europe

03:33:41.560 like we very much borrowed from like the middle east and china when it came to like gunpowder and stuff like

03:33:48.420 i no no no no i think without the um no no no no no no first of all like if you talk about the origin

03:33:59.880 of a chemical in a chemical compound or in this case a powder compound of gunpowder

03:34:05.160 probably fuck i don't know i don't even want to hazard a guess i would guess that 99 of all

03:34:13.900 technology based around gunpowder is has been european sure probably 99 or i mean maybe maybe

03:34:23.140 like 99.9 but i mean the innovations around gunpowder from europeans fucking it's it's insane

03:34:29.800 it's incredible i mean i'd want to read up on that but i also think it's like

03:34:34.860 unfortunately we did bring disease to the americas which i think would have really heavily

03:34:41.740 impacted our ability to trade properly but um because of animal husbandry yes yeah um i think

03:34:50.320 that it is possible well and also we had uh europeans had immunities built up that native americans

03:34:57.120 didn't because of animal husbandry because of animal husbandry yeah um we could have traded we could

03:35:03.960 have you know passed the technology on we did trade with many tribes for many years and they became

03:35:09.260 very upset with us over various different things including um well i mean that's it that's a long

03:35:15.680 complex history but the point is is that it is not the case that we call we i mean it it is the case

03:35:22.040 that we colonize colonizers that is the case and that's why that's why i guess that's what frustrates

03:35:28.580 me is i know again i guess we're circling but i know that it's an ant i know it's anti-white rhetoric

03:35:33.240 i've seen it now so many times that i just know it is um i think i can easily demonstrate it is by

03:35:38.460 putting the person who calls me the colonizer to the question and we see very quickly that it's

03:35:43.020 designed it's like who have i colonized nobody but you're the beneficiary of colonizers so for your

03:35:48.120 calling who are you to tell me that we can't immigrate to this country colonizer that's how

03:35:52.420 it's used isn't it it's used as who are you to tell me who can immigrate into your nation you're

03:35:58.120 you're a colonizer you just decided you're the conqueror so if you get conquered you fucking

03:36:02.980 deserve it isn't that how it's being used the hispanic guy was using it now how does anybody use

03:36:07.840 it on the left except that way who are you colonizer to tell people that they can't immigrate to this

03:36:13.220 nation like that's what it's mostly used for when you're calling someone a colonizer that they have

03:36:18.500 no justification to say who can come in and out of their nation because they're colonizers i think

03:36:23.680 it's just trying to um remind people that they were once immigrants too because i do think that uh

03:36:29.980 again it's not like all white people showed up at once and we all decided yes we're the same

03:36:35.900 we're culturally the exact same it was a long difficult process of uh you know assimilation

03:36:42.380 look i agree that there have been many waves of of migration to various nations okay but i also think

03:36:50.100 that the peoples of these nations eventually are going to be able to determine what they want their

03:36:54.380 demographics to look like which japan has done for instance they decided they were pumping in uh

03:37:00.660 immigrants in order to offset the fact that their birth rate was massively declining

03:37:04.440 and most recently they their president came out and said we're not going to do that anymore if the

03:37:09.260 birth rate declines so be it i don't care and they get to like the people themselves get to control

03:37:14.440 the demographics they can do that and then their elderly will rot and die alone in their homes when

03:37:19.460 the uh you know the population has more old people than they do young people or they'll create a

03:37:24.660 renaissance for incentives to create young people well they'd have to change their work culture to do

03:37:29.040 that and that's not likely well it's likely if you start running out of people yeah i guess

03:37:33.660 hassan piker is not zeus donated 100 charlie heard a rumor you and hassan had a little tryst

03:37:43.700 is it true if not would you date the shit lib what do you think about the whole dog shock thing

03:37:50.440 i've never spoken to hassan in my life and i'm not a fan of his uh i've never spoken to hassan in my

03:37:59.380 life and i'm not a fan of his um i did you date him no

03:38:04.860 no shock thing what what do you think about the whole the dog collar shock thing that thing yeah

03:38:12.480 um i don't want to say anything because i do not want this to be clipped by weird people and spread

03:38:21.340 around that is a discourse i am um just wholly uh uninterested in i don't destiny hassan and ethan

03:38:30.200 klein could do the most evil things in the world and i wouldn't comment on it because i have no

03:38:34.180 interest in being brought into that insanity wait you'll talk about the cum warriors of papo

03:38:38.360 yes what you want to talk about well the cum warriors don't the cum warriors don't have an

03:38:42.340 online mob they don't have an online mob of people to attack me those three do i'm just i'm not going

03:38:48.960 to comment i don't want to i don't want to be involved okay i don't know the crucible's tangled

03:38:52.920 with all of them we do pretty well your xd donated 100 dollars their audience i mean if we were to

03:38:58.860 follow a progressive evolutionary or anthropological history of humans wouldn't that mean everyone is

03:39:04.820 just a colonizer which implies that you just use it as a slur that's a great point okay yes human

03:39:12.160 beings have uh moved around um historically all through all through history human beings have

03:39:18.260 moved around moved into new places human beings have been violent and awful and evil to each other

03:39:23.180 we have committed atrocities um unknown but i do believe that the colonization of the americas

03:39:29.740 was the most extensive uh and advanced colonization due to um the technology that we had available at

03:39:37.980 the time i don't think anyone would disagree with that that it was uh very effective in a way

03:39:45.360 because of technology that i think most of the world had not yet seen before would that

03:39:51.480 agree disagree okay we have elusive enigma not sure elusive enigma donated 100 with all of the talk

03:40:04.360 about colonizing what are your guys thoughts about voluntary segregation like the rttl project

03:40:09.940 would it be okay if whites get together and focus solely on themselves and people

03:40:15.240 i mean what are white concerns and who are we counting as white people so i think that the project that

03:40:26.440 he's talking about if i remember correctly they're focusing on uh people who have specifically western

03:40:32.440 your european blood and it excludes uh people who they don't consider to be white this includes jewish

03:40:39.680 people and it includes some eastern slavic better include italians i'm not sure if they included

03:40:46.980 italians as being white or non-white but whatever however they chopped up the criteria the point of

03:40:52.460 the question is asking if you believe that people have self-determination autonomy and can make

03:40:57.620 uh exclusive groups and live only among those exclusive groups excluding other people or not

03:41:03.840 i think you can do that if you want but i probably wouldn't want to hang around those people

03:41:09.440 you can if you want to have a little commune do it i've i've seen it done well it wouldn't be a

03:41:14.300 commune or like a little area where it's only you guys like i guess you could what if it be what

03:41:20.820 if it was a large area like i don't know half of a state i think it would be difficult to get that

03:41:26.920 many people together but if they could that and do you have any objection to it could

03:41:31.460 i can't articulate any opposition to it right now but i don't like it i don't even think people of like

03:41:47.000 black people hispanic people asian people i don't even think that they should do that i think that

03:41:52.240 that's that's weird so like false forced integration should be the order of the day

03:41:58.140 i mean i guess if people are just really really really interested in only living around their

03:42:06.040 race um sure they could all get together with a bunch of people and say hey we're all gonna buy

03:42:10.960 houses here and buy land here and hopefully they could do it but they don't want to just do that

03:42:15.980 they want to do that and then exclude other people from coming in i think you'd have to be

03:42:22.140 very careful about how you did it because there are housing laws i think housing discrimination laws

03:42:27.060 um but places do that all the time there's plenty of neighborhoods that will uh intentionally you

03:42:32.900 don't have any actual objections to it i would find those people to be morally reprehensible based on

03:42:41.240 what what are they doing that's morally i think that uh isolating yourself is um morally reprehensible

03:42:47.780 yeah i think it's it's morally reprehensible to isolate yourself i had for a time so the papa

03:42:55.440 new guinea people they're just morally reprehensible because they isolate themselves i think if you've lived

03:43:01.280 in a very uh diverse society that is integrated and then you decide you want to isolate yourself

03:43:08.260 listen i visited women's land once and i thought that those people were deranged i thought it was

03:43:14.240 deranged to you know uh be like hey only lesbians here only forever because i just thought it was

03:43:21.840 weird i thought it was weird i don't think it's i feel like it's hiding from reality so that's how i

03:43:28.060 feel about it yeah but that's a different statement saying it's weird and it's morally reprehensible i did

03:43:34.140 i found it morally reprehensible i find lesbians morally reprehensible but i don't understand how

03:43:39.760 well i didn't think they were morally reprehensible right i know i know that's why i'm saying like i

03:43:44.280 don't understand though where you get from people make their own social orders in their own hierarchies

03:43:51.520 and they decide that they only want to live among a one people group what about that is actually morally

03:43:56.780 reprehensible because it would necessitate that they have hateful views about other people even if it's

03:44:02.380 people of color doing it they probably what do you think well what do you think like and distrust

03:44:06.860 uh other races and what do you think hate means to strongly dislike to have intense prejudice towards

03:44:15.380 okay so strongly dislike yes i don't know how you would define hate i think strongly dislike seems

03:44:22.220 reasonable to me so strongly dislike means hate so couldn't you want to do this because you just

03:44:28.840 strongly like those people and but don't strongly dislike any other people white people aren't all

03:44:34.620 the same black people aren't all the same i'm not saying that they are i mean but again if you are

03:44:40.420 talking about such a large broad group like what do i i'm i'm from northern california if you had a

03:44:46.520 preference to live among a single people group which i assume you have preferences to live among people

03:44:52.140 groups your family extended family adult i don't know i don't whatever it is you have preferences

03:44:58.680 for that if if somebody had a preference that they wanted to live in a whites only or blacks only

03:45:04.020 community that was their preference why does that entail that there's hatred i don't even understand that

03:45:10.380 i think that it uh i would describe it as biological and race essentialism in the sense that because

03:45:18.460 someone is of a certain race they act the same way i feel that i have more common there's wait a second

03:45:24.360 that you have more there's no biological essentialism there the idea is not uh you're only going to act

03:45:31.720 this way because you're white right but you could make a determination on a group of people that on

03:45:37.360 average you act a different way than another group of people you could at least do that right without

03:45:42.560 giving the caveat of the monolith that all of them will operate this way

03:45:46.520 i guess but again you just really didn't like i am also from california is a very diverse state and

03:45:54.360 while i'm from a very red part of california originally i still feel that the hispanic kids

03:46:01.700 i grew up with i have a lot more in common culturally with than like a white person from the south i'm not

03:46:07.400 disputing like those are people more like me even if i get it different i totally get it

03:46:12.320 but that really doesn't answer to the question of strongly dislike why can't you strongly like one

03:46:17.980 group and not strongly dislike another like if i strongly if i strongly like white people i have

03:46:25.160 some preference for it all right why would that entail that i strongly dislike anybody else

03:46:30.380 just because i strongly like do you like do you strongly like white people yeah sure about white

03:46:35.300 people yeah but like what about white people oh i don't know it's just a preference i have sure but

03:46:41.100 like if you had to think about like what you really like about white people like okay i have a strong

03:46:46.760 like for lgbt people um and if you were to ask me why i like them i would say isn't it because

03:46:54.800 you're you're one of them yes but also more fun uh but but hang on hang on but also because you're

03:47:01.820 one of them yes they understand me more but also they're more fun

03:47:07.360 so that doesn't change the fact you're one of them best friend is a straight and they understand you

03:47:14.620 more and that's why you like them it's part of the preference why you like them why wouldn't you

03:47:20.240 understand that with other people's preferences with i also have plenty of straight friends who

03:47:24.760 understand me but and believing that other lgbt people but you strongly like lgbtq people because

03:47:32.140 they're like you and understand you got it why would that not be the case for people with racial

03:47:38.280 preferences heterosexual man so and he understands me just fine yeah so if white people have they

03:47:46.160 have friends who are black too doesn't mean of course yeah what does that have to do with

03:47:49.460 if they strongly like white people and like why why why because the same reason you gave for

03:47:56.420 strongly liking lgbtq people no you you didn't just say fun don't gaslight me again charlie

03:48:02.340 you said because they understand me you said because they understand me and they're like me

03:48:07.480 okay listen hang on charlie can you admit that you said because they understand me and they're like

03:48:13.320 me yes but i could i can sacrifice understand me as long as they're fun for the first time in my

03:48:18.660 life about a year ago what hold on listen i had a primarily heterosexual friend group who did not

03:48:24.960 understand me and the reason i was like wow actually this sucks is not because they didn't understand me

03:48:31.000 but because they were boring and that's why i did it because again i can sacrifice not being understood

03:48:36.600 as long as someone's a good time okay so help me out here let's pretend that you have a black child

03:48:42.220 who's raised by white parents okay okay and he gets to where he's about 14 okay and he finds his

03:48:50.040 biological parents okay and they were like lost at sea or some shit and he goes to his his parents his

03:48:56.400 white parents and he says look i want to go live with my parents and other black people because

03:49:03.780 i have a preference for them i feel far more comfortable around them than i do around white people

03:49:09.280 is he doing something morally reprehensible um i would be curious about uh his actual comfort

03:49:20.680 he just feels better around them he feels like they understand him more and like him and and he likes

03:49:26.080 him more he just likes him i can imagine someone wanting to for a time go live around a lot of people

03:49:32.020 like that and get to to know them but i can't imagine that this person would decide to then spurn all of

03:49:38.660 his you know he's not spurning wait wait where was that ever in there he didn't spurn him he just

03:49:43.320 said he'd prefer to live over here it doesn't mean he's not going to see him or talk to him or anything

03:49:47.260 like that he just would prefer to live over here but we build communities with the people we live by

03:49:54.060 yeah i know but can you can you engage with this for a second sure okay so what is he doing that's

03:49:59.660 morally reprehensible here well we're also talking about a young adopted child who has probably been

03:50:05.180 living with like the weirdness of being raised culturally white while being treated as black

03:50:09.460 absolutely so i think that that changes things a little bit versus someone who is uh you know

03:50:15.700 white raised white and has no interest in being around other races i would be um i would find that

03:50:25.460 person to be no no no weird yeah what so do you see how you keep smuggling a little sneaky shit in

03:50:32.940 there like he said uh they they want to be among whites but not among any other races ever or

03:50:40.940 something like this it's like that none of that was said it's the preference of who you want to live

03:50:46.280 near and who you want to live among does not you still haven't actually answered this and you seem to

03:50:52.860 be very evasive about it when i continuously ask you about it what actually makes the same thing that

03:50:59.780 you would say that black kid is not um he doesn't strongly hate his white parents he doesn't strongly

03:51:06.320 hate white people he doesn't have strongly dislike them why would his strong like for being around

03:51:12.120 black people entail that he had a strong dislike for white people because i think that diversity is

03:51:17.780 strength i think it's good i think diversity is good i'm just gonna grant it diversity is diversity

03:51:24.780 is our strength yay you build community with the people that you live around yeah but do you

03:51:29.660 understand how you're not answering the question again like what would be wrong with it no no that's

03:51:33.600 not my question okay so i'm gonna ask the question again i know you really just want to live around

03:51:37.740 white no that's not my question that's not my question okay go ahead so you you keep saying

03:51:43.800 that if you like them you like this group that means you strongly dislike this one

03:51:50.500 how do we get to this strong this so how does me liking this group mean that i strongly dislike

03:51:56.920 this group how how does that work because you would have assumptions about them that make you

03:52:02.420 not want to live with them that doesn't mean you dislike them centralizing them into all one type of

03:52:08.020 of person and behavior you know i have a basis of their race which i don't think is i have a sister

03:52:13.260 and she's really fucking annoying okay she really well she's not she's kind she can be fucking annoying

03:52:18.240 and i wouldn't want to live with her does that mean i strongly dislike her would you never live

03:52:24.880 with anyone who's ever been a sister in their entire life does your wife have siblings yeah i

03:52:31.780 wouldn't live with them either okay yeah but she is a sister yeah but what does that have to do with

03:52:36.520 anything because the the point is it's not just your sister is kind of annoying sometimes right it's

03:52:43.400 because of who so i have a preference to not live around her right it's because of who she is as a

03:52:47.020 person not the uh immutable quality of being your sister yeah but even if it was the case

03:52:52.440 even if i just grant this how would that infer that i disliked anybody anybody else because i had

03:53:01.000 a preference to live with this group how can how do we get from that to that means you dislike this

03:53:07.920 group or have a strong dislike for them you could like them just fine just not want to live with them

03:53:12.380 right i think that isn't that the not in my backyard kind of dealio is like the uh the hypocrisy of being

03:53:21.020 like yeah i'll tolerate them but i don't want them in my backyard i don't want them near me

03:53:24.660 you know like i just don't think that i think that that's i think it's racist i don't like it

03:53:31.660 um but to be honest i would prefer people like that do go off and live in their own communities

03:53:36.620 because i don't want to be around them because you dislike them yes okay see that's on the basis

03:53:42.480 now here weirdness about race now here we've gotten to it i do believe this that you strongly

03:53:47.960 dislike those people who want to go live with like an all white or all black community or whatever

03:53:53.080 i agree that you dislike them the problem is is like you have not made an argument that would be

03:53:59.460 convincing to anybody on planet earth that they dislike you i agree that you dislike them that i agree with

03:54:06.280 that they dislike me yeah i'm white why would they hate me exactly why would they hate you i'm white

03:54:12.040 they're also white they want to live around the white people they don't hate okay wait wait wait

03:54:15.680 why wouldn't people who you hate hate you what why wouldn't people who you hate hate you wouldn't

03:54:22.600 people you hate hate you oh but i mean if i said i hate you but like look you just said that you have

03:54:28.020 strong dislikes for them but i don't think that any of those people that you claim that you would

03:54:32.880 have a strong dislike for would say that they had any feelings about you one way or the other

03:54:36.820 Yeah, I don't think that they would either because I'm Caucasian.

03:54:39.060 I think that they would, if they saw me walking down their all-white colony street.

03:54:42.180 If you were Hispanic right now, what would change here?

03:54:46.560 What would change if they were like, I don't have any opinions about it one way or the other.

03:54:50.200 I wish for a great life.

03:54:52.180 It's because they wouldn't allow me to live next door to them if I was Hispanic.

03:55:00.440 That's true, I guess.

03:55:01.680 Yeah, it's like not wanting to be around people.

03:55:04.380 It's not wanting people in your proximity.

03:55:06.820 It's the same hypocrisy.

03:55:07.880 That doesn't mean that they hate you, though.

03:55:10.360 That's where I can't get to.

03:55:11.880 It means that maybe they don't, in their heart, just feel a lot of rage and anger towards me.

03:55:17.100 But it means that they're not really about who I am.

03:55:21.560 They're not really, they are uncomfortable being around me.

03:55:26.300 They're uncomfortable with me being next to them.

03:55:29.160 Okay.

03:55:29.780 Let me just finish this off with this because maybe we can tie it off finally.

03:55:34.660 I feel like we're going around in circles.

03:55:36.480 Yeah.

03:55:36.760 So let's try not to go around in circles and finish it.

03:55:39.160 So do you believe that when we talk about attraction, we're not just talking about sexual attraction, that we have attractions to people?

03:55:46.340 Sure, yes.

03:55:47.120 Okay.

03:55:48.340 And do you think that people should be allowed to have preferences in what they're attracted to?

03:55:52.760 They're not attracted to black people.

03:55:54.080 They're not attracted to white people.

03:55:55.220 They're not attracted to Hispanic people.

03:55:58.080 Sure.

03:55:58.440 Okay, that's the end of that argument.

03:56:03.540 All right.

03:56:06.720 Smoke break?

03:56:07.540 I'm going to have a smoke break, yeah.

03:56:08.580 He's going to have a smoke break.

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04:00:36.260 In Canada, I remember when the word colonizer was used by many natives to make white people feel bad

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04:00:58.800 Looks like I'll let some more Q&As come through if they'd like.

04:01:03.300 We did get a little bit off topic, but I thought it was an interesting convo.

04:01:08.780 We talked about disparities between perpetrators as it relates to race.

04:01:14.260 We talked about the colonizer topic.

04:01:19.980 Yeah, just so you know, we've been debating for hours now, man.

04:01:24.580 Yes.

04:01:25.500 I did actually have one question.

04:01:27.140 Yeah, sure.

04:01:28.280 If you were to try to convert me, a staunch feminist that has loved going to school,

04:01:36.020 loved the freedom to choose, you know, my career path, loved the freedom to do as I please with my body,

04:01:45.580 how would you convert me to, you know, being not into feminism, to no longer being a feminist?

04:01:54.240 To sell you on my worldview.

04:01:55.800 Yes, like how would you sell me?

04:01:57.160 I will answer to this, even though what you're asking me is the hardest thing in the world to do.

04:02:03.140 I'll still try, but I want the concession and promise from you that after I'm done making my attempt,

04:02:08.840 you're going to make yours, and how would you convert me to your worldview?

04:02:12.360 Is that a deal?

04:02:13.740 Absolutely.

04:02:14.580 You've got to go right in the mic, otherwise they can't hear you.

04:02:16.680 Yeah, absolutely.

04:02:17.640 Okay.

04:02:19.100 So here would be my pitch.

04:02:21.880 My pitch would be that the society that you have created for us is fucked, and people hate it.

04:02:27.160 They fucking hate it.

04:02:29.100 And that's why you got Donald Trump.

04:02:31.580 You got Donald Trump because people hate the fucking society that you feminists have made for them.

04:02:36.240 And here's why they hate it.

04:02:37.980 Because all the things that you consider to be freedom aren't freedoms at all.

04:02:41.560 They're just taking away people's freedoms under the guise of freedom.

04:02:45.100 For instance, if I asked you about gun control, I'm guessing that you would want gun control, right?

04:02:50.520 Strict, stricter gun control?

04:02:51.920 Mildly stricter, in the sense that I think people with significant mental health issues documented should probably not be allowed to have guns.

04:02:59.920 Curtailing gun control, okay?

04:03:02.020 Curtailing freedom on the Second Amendment.

04:03:03.620 On the First Amendment, during C-19, did you think that the government, it was appropriate for them to go in and remove what they considered misinformation for the good of the public?

04:03:16.100 Yeah.

04:03:16.760 I don't have a solid opinion on that one.

04:03:18.300 Well, earlier you did, and it seemed like you're...

04:03:20.640 You said removing misinformation, like going through and like, like...

04:03:24.260 Yeah, they worked with tech companies to remove what they considered misinformation.

04:03:27.180 Well, that's not what we talked about earlier.

04:03:29.400 That's what they did.

04:03:30.360 It's different.

04:03:30.940 I know, it's not different.

04:03:32.120 It's different than, we were talking about shutdowns, were we not?

04:03:34.640 Yeah, but part of the lockdowns was that they were depersoning people because of what they considered to be misinformation.

04:03:40.500 And the government was working with the technocracy in order to do that for the good of all people.

04:03:45.320 And it's like, I guarantee you at the time, if I go back and look at whatever content you were making, if you were making content at that time, I don't know.

04:03:53.940 But I can promise that whatever social media you had, you were probably very much in the, we need to get rid of misinformation camp.

04:04:02.400 You know, because all of you guys were.

04:04:06.360 And so it's like, under the First Amendment, it seems like, you know, the feminist and the progressive movement, which is basically a part of the feminist movement, does what it can do to curtail freedom there too.

04:04:19.200 And it doesn't seem like you really want there to be much personal freedom.

04:04:23.280 Even if people say, look, you know, I just want to live among a people group that I'm familiar with and I have a preference for and an attraction to.

04:04:29.880 You're like, no, that's unacceptable.

04:04:31.880 And you're a bad person for even wanting to do that.

04:04:34.920 And there should be legislation that stops that.

04:04:37.720 And there should be legislation which stops you from having your preferences for who you hire and fire and things like that.

04:04:43.380 It's just, I guess my biggest pitch to you would just be this, like, it's really funny for me that the Christian nationalists get this rep that we're like fascists, dictatorial crazies who want to take away freedoms.

04:04:57.880 And yet, every single time I talk to one of you feminists or I talk to one of you progressives, and it's basically synonymous at this point.

04:05:05.520 I mean, there's no progressives really who aren't feminists and there's no feminists really who aren't progressive.

04:05:09.140 It just seems to me like the totalitarian nature of everything that I've seen has come from you guys.

04:05:17.560 Like the C-19 lockdowns, the COVID passports, the wear your papers, that was you guys.

04:05:23.400 The remove all of the information because the government doesn't like it from private websites and put pressure on them to do it, that was you guys.

04:05:30.560 The whole idea of you need to wear your state-sponsored piece of clothing, the mask, you know, that came from you guys.

04:05:37.840 It's like all of the fascist dystopian things that I can imagine that Orwell was warning about and things like that, that doesn't come from us.

04:05:47.980 That always seems to come from you guys.

04:05:49.780 The people who are the fascist hunters seem to be the very worst at real freedom.

04:05:54.140 Are you pro-pollunteer by any chance?

04:05:55.960 Well, hang on, hang on.

04:05:56.680 Let me finish my pitch before you ask me questions about it, right?

04:06:00.220 Good. So if you wanted me to give you the most convincing, the most convincing argument that I possibly can, it would just be this, that everything we talk about is actually you curtailing freedom, not me.

04:06:13.060 And everything that we end up ultimately discussing seems to come down to the fact that you just want to kind of engage in degenerate behaviors.

04:06:21.060 And that's the only freedom you seem to care about, the freedom to promiscuously have sex and then have an abortion to take care of that if you need to.

04:06:28.560 Even if it's the case that by removing that, there would be less unwanted babies born, you still think that we need to have that because, you know, people just need to be able to fuck if they want and be promiscuous if they want and have STDs if they want.

04:06:41.680 It's like, it always seems like the freedom that you guys advocate for is only a freedom towards degeneracy and never actually about freedoms that are really intrinsic to the human experience.

04:06:52.100 And kind of even more than that, I would just point this last thing out, which is, you know, if you had a society where it was really full of more people like me, right?

04:07:05.220 It was full of people who did take their religion seriously and they took their family dynamics seriously and they took the things that they were doing seriously in regards to morality and ethics and how to treat people.

04:07:16.560 And not sacrificing the whole for the small percentage of fucking, you know, LGBTQ people and this and that.

04:07:24.080 How would the world really be a worse place?

04:07:27.880 Objectively, how would the world that you live in really be worse?

04:07:32.320 And I just don't think that I've ever heard a compelling argument for how it would.

04:07:36.960 And so I think that I would try to make for you, instead of logical appeals, I would just make a purely emotional appeal that like the world for you would actually be a much better place.

04:07:46.560 If there was more Christian nationalists like me and less Charlies with your worldview.

04:07:53.380 Well, I wouldn't be able to go to school if that was, you know, people's human view.

04:07:57.120 Listen.

04:07:57.900 Because again, it was indeed feminism that, you know.

04:08:01.920 Yeah, I've heard this argument a lot, but can I just point something out?

04:08:06.020 Sure.

04:08:06.320 That with this idea that women could be educated, right?

04:08:11.760 And they, by the way, they basically always were able to.

04:08:15.220 They flew around with elites all over the place, especially early feminists.

04:08:19.000 And they went abroad to study and things like this.

04:08:21.880 But what that became was women should get educated.

04:08:27.100 And what that became was a lot of student debt and a massive fucking racket.

04:08:32.440 And college is not about rewarding the best and the brightest or not everybody could go.

04:08:36.860 Okay?

04:08:37.640 It's really right now the degree that you have, an eighth grader 50 years ago knows more than you fucking know.

04:08:43.360 Okay?

04:08:43.880 About history, about math, about social sciences.

04:08:47.560 An eighth grader 60 years ago knows more than you do right now.

04:08:51.340 Is that really what you think?

04:08:52.680 Yeah, not only do I think it, I think that if I gave you a test that an eighth grader would have 60 years ago, you would fail it with your college degree.

04:09:01.620 And the reason for that is because you didn't get any fucking education at school.

04:09:05.640 You got a lot of student debt at school.

04:09:09.400 That's what you ended up with because it's become a giant racket.

04:09:12.820 And if it was really about the best and the brightest, then not everybody could go.

04:09:17.420 And maybe everyone shouldn't go because it's really, really for, for most of it, the stuff that you learn in high school, right?

04:09:26.060 Now, why is it that every high school person, high school educated person I come across seemingly is just as intelligent as every college person I come across?

04:09:33.800 That's an interesting perspective.

04:09:35.820 I haven't had a similar experience in my lifetime.

04:09:39.340 Yeah, well, you have a bias preference and I don't.

04:09:41.720 It's like you're biased towards elites, right?

04:09:43.920 Elitism.

04:09:46.480 I do.

04:09:47.480 You know, I grew up in an educated household, but I was also primarily raised by a very conservative father who was also a doctor.

04:09:54.660 So it was my grandfather.

04:09:55.860 And was your conservative father a dummy?

04:09:59.220 No.

04:09:59.720 Then why was he conservative?

04:10:03.600 Because it benefits him personally.

04:10:05.320 Oh, so he was just immoral.

04:10:07.120 For pursuing his own ends?

04:10:11.060 I don't know if I would say that.

04:10:13.440 You're not sure if your own father was immoral or not?

04:10:16.600 No.

04:10:17.080 You're not quite sure?

04:10:18.220 No.

04:10:18.620 I mean, unlike all of us here, my dad is responsible for saving thousands of lives.

04:10:24.500 He has put out a lot of good in this world.

04:10:27.320 And would your father agree?

04:10:28.500 He will leave this earth with a clear conscience, no matter what his beliefs are.

04:10:32.260 Can I ask you this?

04:10:33.900 Would your father, who saved all these thousands of people, agree more with my worldview or yours?

04:10:40.020 No.

04:10:40.860 I think he would find your worldview strange.

04:10:44.680 That's not what I asked.

04:10:45.720 I didn't ask if he would find it strange.

04:10:47.260 I asked if he would agree with it more than yours.

04:10:53.500 I don't know enough about your worldview, I think, to agree or disagree.

04:10:57.360 But I think that he'd be...

04:10:58.860 How about his political alignment?

04:11:00.080 Would his political alignment line up more with mine or yours?

04:11:04.320 What is your alignment politically?

04:11:05.780 Like, what do you want the government to look like?

04:11:07.180 Far right-wing conservative, you could say.

04:11:10.020 My political alignment would be something more akin to limiting suffrage,

04:11:14.800 to people who are getting it back towards what our founders had.

04:11:18.860 Some other things would be, like, fiscal conservatism.

04:11:22.060 I have a belief in that.

04:11:23.260 I have a very strong dislike for socialism.

04:11:25.920 I have a very strong dislike for communism.

04:11:27.820 I have a very strong dislike for eliminating people's access to capital,

04:11:32.160 which I know brings more people out of poverty than any other single system on planet Earth.

04:11:36.320 Like, would he agree more with that type of stuff?

04:11:38.380 I have a strong preference against mass migration,

04:11:40.600 and I think the government should be doing more about it.

04:11:43.260 I think that we should lock up our southern border.

04:11:45.220 I think that we should do a lot more when it comes to deregulating gun control.

04:11:52.920 I think, like, stuff like that.

04:11:55.040 Would he be more in line with that?

04:11:58.480 I think that my dad is rather...

04:12:01.560 He skews libertarian more than anything.

04:12:06.260 And I think...

04:12:06.520 Well, libertarians are definitely going to like that more than your view.

04:12:08.840 I think your proposal to limit suffrage, I think, would...

04:12:15.060 Libertarians love that idea, generally.

04:12:20.920 Limiting access to voting?

04:12:23.220 Limiting people's individual freedoms and powers?

04:12:25.160 Well, wait a second.

04:12:25.300 That's not limiting their freedom.

04:12:27.160 What it's doing is stopping...

04:12:28.220 Taking away the right to vote.

04:12:28.740 No, it's stopping you fuckers from collectivizing and becoming tyrants.

04:12:32.080 And that's what you've done with the vote.

04:12:33.700 You've collectivized and become fucking tyrants.

04:12:35.660 A tyrant of the majority.

04:12:36.740 A tyranny of the majority.

04:12:38.900 A slight majority.

04:12:39.900 And you become fucking tyrants, just like you were during COVID-19.

04:12:42.780 That's not...

04:12:43.380 You didn't free anybody.

04:12:45.100 Who are you freeing with your fucking policies?

04:12:47.140 Like, how are you making our lives better?

04:12:48.920 What would you call the power that the executive branch has now?

04:12:51.440 I mean, like, the executive branch is the strongest it's been in ages.

04:12:54.400 Like, what do you think about tyrants?

04:12:55.360 No, it's not.

04:12:56.060 It has less power than it did under Jackson.

04:12:59.120 Significantly less power than it did under Jackson.

04:13:01.140 And by the way, can I just point this out?

04:13:03.540 Right?

04:13:04.380 When you're talking about Donald Trump,

04:13:05.900 he has the same exact powers that the president, Joe Biden, had before him.

04:13:09.640 The same ones.

04:13:10.340 He doesn't have a single additional power.

04:13:12.620 Not a single one.

04:13:13.740 What about the bullshit that the Supreme Court ruled,

04:13:15.620 that he cannot be held responsible for specific illegal acts that he committed?

04:13:21.900 Yeah.

04:13:22.240 Well, look, this was early understanding of case law with the president,

04:13:25.800 is that you're not going to be able to allow states to prosecute the president of the United States,

04:13:30.660 or else a state who was just upset.

04:13:33.280 No, it's not the opposite.

04:13:35.260 A state that's upset at the president could bring him in for bullshit, trumped-up charges,

04:13:40.320 and he's the federal executive.

04:13:41.960 That would create a constitutional crisis.

04:13:44.500 Literally overnight, it would create a constitutional crisis.

04:13:47.600 We have diplomatic immunity for diplomats.

04:13:49.520 They come in and commit a crime, we can't put them in jail.

04:13:52.660 Even though they committed a crime, we can't put them in jail.

04:13:54.540 They have diplomatic immunity.

04:13:56.000 Our own president doesn't have immunity from state prosecution?

04:13:59.540 Yeah, he kind of has to.

04:14:01.820 Otherwise, California Governor Newsom right now, Newscom,

04:14:05.600 would bring him up on charges of treason if he could,

04:14:08.040 and would try him in California under the state code if he could.

04:14:11.320 He would do that.

04:14:12.300 W. Love that.

04:14:14.140 I hope he does.

04:14:14.600 Okay, well then guess what?

04:14:15.700 If that's the case, then why shouldn't the president have the ability to do that to Gavin Newsom?

04:14:19.760 He could.

04:14:21.120 If he wanted to, you know, I don't know, start a case against Gavin Newsom.

04:14:25.340 No, I'm saying, why does the federal authority not give him the pervy to do that?

04:14:30.300 To charge him on a state level?

04:14:32.320 To charge him at a federal level.

04:14:33.820 He can't just be like, oh, he committed treason, and go charge him.

04:14:36.860 You can't have the state charging the executive branch.

04:14:40.040 You can't have him doing that.

04:14:42.020 I think you can.

04:14:42.580 No, well, not only can you not, the Supreme Court even ruled you can't.

04:14:46.520 I think you should be able to.

04:14:47.720 I think that's ridiculous.

04:14:48.720 I think we need to be able to hold our leaders accountable and not put too much power in their hands,

04:14:53.120 because I am against authoritarianism.

04:14:55.660 Okay, so let's say California does that.

04:14:58.380 They say, hey, we're going to go ahead and bring up Donald Trump, and he needs to appear in court.

04:15:05.220 How does California enforce that?

04:15:07.100 In this day and age?

04:15:14.420 I don't know.

04:15:15.240 That gets tricky.

04:15:15.980 I wouldn't trust Donald Trump to show up.

04:15:17.420 Are they going to send California agents to arrest the President of the United States, do you think?

04:15:22.900 We could send the National Guard and start a civil war.

04:15:27.840 Our National Guard.

04:15:29.240 The California National Guard.

04:15:31.100 But that would be treason.

04:15:33.220 So let me, I'm going to, I'll try to rephrase this.

04:15:35.540 I'm going to reframe.

04:15:36.500 And I'm just going to be totally honest with you.

04:15:38.980 I will never be able to convince you of my worldview.

04:15:42.420 You won't.

04:15:43.460 I know.

04:15:43.800 But the reason is not because I'm not a great orator, or I don't make good points, or I haven't said things, which should be compelling to a person.

04:15:53.080 But Charlie, I just think, honestly, you're too fucking stupid to understand them.

04:15:57.100 So, Andrew, can I sell you on my worldview?

04:16:00.920 Yes.

04:16:02.040 Your wife has three baby daddies and has been married twice before.

04:16:05.500 And you, and?

04:16:06.500 Under, under your.

04:16:07.540 And you look, you look snizz.

04:16:08.280 Under your religion.

04:16:09.740 Uh-huh.

04:16:10.200 You look snizz.

04:16:11.240 What does that mean?

04:16:11.640 You're a fucking dyke.

04:16:12.600 Dyke, don't talk shit about my wife, you stupid bitch.

04:16:14.600 Shut your fucking mouth.

04:16:16.140 Shut your stupid bitch mouth.

04:16:18.140 Your wife with the three baby daddies?

04:16:19.420 What did I just say, dyke?

04:16:20.280 Your wife with the three baby daddies?

04:16:21.460 Sorry, I'm sorry, dyke.

04:16:22.920 Is she morally inconsequential in comparison to your ditch licking?

04:16:26.500 Do the men that you try to.

04:16:28.260 Do the women that you try to.

04:16:29.840 Show your hatred against.

04:16:30.880 Do the women that you try to.

04:16:32.400 Do they, like, convince them that they shouldn't, like, pursue women?

04:16:35.040 Do they know that your wife is five years older?

04:16:37.400 Did I bring any of your family into anything?

04:16:39.680 You called me fucking stupid.

04:16:40.160 Did I say anything about your family being stupid, Charlie?

04:16:43.480 You could.

04:16:43.780 You could go for it.

04:16:43.800 It's because I'm better than you, Charlie.

04:16:45.700 No, it's because you're embarrassed.

04:16:47.080 And you know that the traditional values that you try to sell people on are bullshit.

04:16:50.840 Because you are not a traditional man.

04:16:52.180 Chuck, let's go through it.

04:16:53.400 You are not a traditional man.

04:16:54.260 Let's go through it, Chuck.

04:16:55.360 Tell me what I'm doing which is immoral.

04:16:57.720 What you're doing which is immoral?

04:16:58.960 Yeah.

04:16:59.080 I think that you have been complicit in convincing young men that.

04:17:04.920 No, no, no.

04:17:05.300 My family dynamic.

04:17:06.580 What am I doing being married to my wife?

04:17:08.800 I don't think it's immoral.

04:17:09.500 Then why?

04:17:10.300 So then.

04:17:10.780 Under my worldview?

04:17:11.440 So all you did.

04:17:12.320 That's perfectly acceptable.

04:17:12.660 So wait.

04:17:13.160 So wait.

04:17:13.560 Chuck, all you're doing is saying.

04:17:16.180 So Chuck, should I be.

04:17:17.620 Shouldn't you actually be saying that, Andrew, you're doing a good thing?

04:17:23.100 Hang on.

04:17:23.640 Hang on.

04:17:23.740 Charlie, I just want to make sure I got this right.

04:17:25.560 Huh?

04:17:26.400 Am I doing a good thing?

04:17:29.140 Am I doing a good thing?

04:17:30.540 Do you think your wife is a charity case?

04:17:31.680 By taking care of children who weren't mine?

04:17:34.860 Was I doing a good thing?

04:17:35.840 Whose fathers abandoned them?

04:17:37.540 Was I doing a good thing?

04:17:38.280 Yeah, you're doing a good thing.

04:17:39.260 Oh, okay.

04:17:39.800 Well then, Chuck, why did you use that as a form of personal attack on me?

04:17:44.080 Even though you think I'm a good person doing a good thing.

04:17:46.540 I'm convincing you of my worldview.

04:17:49.360 You're very convincing, Chuck.

04:17:50.900 Under my worldview?

04:17:52.160 I'm a good person?

04:17:53.400 You can marry your wife and no one would judge you.

04:17:55.780 And you can raise the children that aren't yours and no one would judge you.

04:17:59.080 No, they would still judge me, Chuck.

04:18:00.640 But under your worldview, that would not be so.

04:18:02.860 Christian nationalists?

04:18:04.500 Yeah, what about it?

04:18:05.340 The course isn't even acceptable.

04:18:06.280 Do you understand what Christianity is?

04:18:09.720 Yes, I was raised Christian.

04:18:11.340 Were you?

04:18:11.760 Yeah, I was.

04:18:13.040 Protestant.

04:18:13.840 Yes, I was.

04:18:14.840 Oh, of course.

04:18:15.240 See, this is...

04:18:17.760 You don't...

04:18:18.680 I'm sorry.

04:18:19.000 Because the Protestant spirit is still in you.

04:18:22.380 Oh, it is.

04:18:23.460 It hasn't left, man.

04:18:25.120 Is the Catholic spirit still in you?

04:18:27.080 I wasn't raised Catholic.

04:18:28.620 Then what are you talking about?

04:18:29.900 I was raised Protestant.

04:18:31.720 Okay, got...

04:18:32.360 You were raised Protestant?

04:18:33.480 Yeah.

04:18:33.740 So why would you fucking criticize me for that?

04:18:36.280 Because it's the thing that Protestants do when they convert to, like, Orthodox or Catholic.

04:18:40.380 Is they get really into the idea of, like...

04:18:42.640 Hey, Chuck, can I ask you...

04:18:43.740 They get really into the idea of rules and shit.

04:18:46.240 Chuck, have you ever had an abortion?

04:18:47.980 No.

04:18:48.620 Never?

04:18:49.040 Would you?

04:18:49.980 Yeah.

04:18:50.280 So you'd kill your own kids?

04:18:51.260 Why am I going to take moral advice from you?

04:18:53.940 You don't have to.

04:18:54.760 I'm not going to.

04:18:55.280 Why would I take moral advice from you?

04:18:56.520 So all you're trying...

04:18:57.920 I think that you lie about your worldview.

04:18:59.820 Okay, which part am I lying about?

04:19:01.920 So I think that you pretend to be a traditional Christian man.

04:19:05.440 But what I see you doing is spreading hate.

04:19:06.400 I've never said once that I'm a traditionalist, Chuck.

04:19:08.540 What I see you doing as someone who claims to be a Christian is spreading hate.

04:19:12.540 Okay.

04:19:13.000 I think that you...

04:19:14.140 All right, Chuck, fine.

04:19:15.260 You got me.

04:19:16.640 You got me.

04:19:17.360 I'm a stepfather, Chuck.

04:19:19.040 What did I do wrong?

04:19:21.280 What did I even do wrong from my Christian worldview, Chuck, by being a stepfather and a good father

04:19:26.000 to kids who needed one, Chuck?

04:19:27.760 Can you tell me?

04:19:28.320 Well, that's not what I was referring to.

04:19:29.280 No, no, it was what you were referring to.

04:19:31.160 Being a stepfather is Christlike.

04:19:32.900 What you were trying to do...

04:19:33.940 But Christian nationalists are not Christlike.

04:19:36.500 Chuck, what am I saying?

04:19:37.700 What am I doing?

04:19:38.380 What am I doing except taking care of people?

04:19:40.620 What you're doing is you are espousing to be a good Christian man.

04:19:43.500 But what you do with your life is you don't help others.

04:19:45.980 You sit around smoking cigarettes.

04:19:47.240 I thought I did.

04:19:48.320 I thought you just commended me for helping others.

04:19:51.140 Didn't I help children who weren't even mine, Chuck?

04:19:54.480 That's not what you do with your life.

04:19:56.460 Yes, it was what I did with my whole young life, my entire youth.

04:20:00.000 Chuck, your job is debating women who aren't formal debaters and literally mocking young

04:20:05.820 women in sex work.

04:20:06.180 Chuck, do I only debate women or do I debate the best debaters in the world?

04:20:10.800 You sometimes do.

04:20:11.740 Yeah, so shut up.

04:20:12.780 If they let you, they tolerate you.

04:20:14.160 And what have you done?

04:20:14.940 I've watched them walk off.

04:20:15.120 What have you done?

04:20:15.940 I have a master's.

04:20:16.860 Yeah, you haven't done shit.

04:20:18.320 You don't have a family.

04:20:19.240 You've never taken care of another human being besides yourself.

04:20:21.340 And on top of that, let's just point this out.

04:20:23.780 You have not debated with those people because they think you're too fucking stupid to do so.

04:20:27.800 Well, yeah, I'm not someone that does debate.

04:20:29.780 No, it's not because of your debate skills, Chuck.

04:20:31.880 I literally do it for fun.

04:20:32.200 It's because of your IQ skills.

04:20:33.560 I do it for fucking fun.

04:20:35.040 Well, the only thing that you could come up with this entire time after this nice, pleasant

04:20:38.780 debate.

04:20:39.640 It's true.

04:20:40.320 I did say I think you're too stupid to understand my point.

04:20:42.420 Yeah, that's rude.

04:20:42.960 So don't be rude to me and I'll be fucking rude to you.

04:20:45.180 I would never have attempted to attack one of your family members.

04:20:48.340 You could do it.

04:20:49.220 I know, but I wouldn't, Chuck, because I'm a better person than you.

04:20:52.060 Oh, well, you wouldn't be able to because all of my family members are better people than

04:20:54.860 you.

04:20:55.040 Well, I mean, but I'm a better person than you.

04:20:56.720 Again, that's what I meant when I said that my dad has spent his life helping people.

04:20:58.980 You spent your life proximitizing to the masses and propping yourself up as a fucking

04:21:04.880 leader.

04:21:05.740 Essentially saying-

04:21:06.320 I am a leader.

04:21:07.200 Are you saying I'm not?

04:21:08.880 You are inconsequential.

04:21:10.780 Okay.

04:21:11.120 And Chuck, what does that make you?

04:21:13.480 Inconsequential.

04:21:13.900 Okay.

04:21:14.320 But I'm not ashamed of it.

04:21:15.520 I'm not ashamed of it either.

04:21:16.940 And I don't aspire to be consequential.

04:21:18.900 Chuck, I didn't want any-

04:21:20.420 Chuck, I didn't want any-

04:21:21.440 You have all these rules that you supposedly follow.

04:21:24.260 We'll wait till you gas out.

04:21:25.140 But at the end of the day, what you want to do is you want to be the leader.

04:21:27.880 You want to be in charge.

04:21:28.720 You do not have humility.

04:21:30.020 Oh.

04:21:31.500 And what does he-

04:21:32.220 And your own church hates people like you.

04:21:34.780 They hate the ortho-

04:21:35.620 And why don't they, why is it that they won't excommunicate me if they hate me so much?

04:21:39.740 Why do instead I get clergy members who send me-

04:21:42.660 I mean, I've got hundreds of DMs I can show you from clergy who thank me for all the catechumens

04:21:46.960 which are coming into their churches, Chuck.

04:21:49.200 I mean, I've debated with those, what are the catechumens?

04:21:52.100 What did you say?

04:21:52.960 I've debated with them and they are-

04:21:54.820 You've debated with the catechumens?

04:21:56.380 Not the brightest or the best.

04:21:57.220 The men that you've convinced to convert to orthodox Christianity?

04:22:00.460 Oh, yeah.

04:22:00.820 You've debated with them?

04:22:01.540 Largely idiots.

04:22:02.720 Chuck, you're calling someone else an idiot?

04:22:05.420 Yes.

04:22:05.880 Okay.

04:22:06.660 And they were your idiots that bought your course and I stomped them.

04:22:09.200 And even people who were saying like, I disagree with you, but you stomped them.

04:22:12.620 So your course is also-

04:22:13.560 What were their names, Chuck?

04:22:14.640 Who were they?

04:22:15.840 I could describe them to you.

04:22:17.180 Describe them.

04:22:18.180 White guy wearing a hat with an orange mustache and blue eyes.

04:22:21.320 The other guy was also a white guy in a hat, but with slightly darker skin and a large nose.

04:22:25.340 Well, that really narrows it down, Chuck.

04:22:27.780 I mean, I could go through my-

04:22:29.760 That really narrows it down, Chuck.

04:22:31.500 My messages with Sarah.

04:22:32.940 But again, these are people that have-

04:22:34.920 So the entirety of your assault is that I'm not doing anything wrong.

04:22:40.020 No, you are doing stuff wrong.

04:22:41.460 Hang on, hang on.

04:22:42.020 But in my family dynamic, I'm not.

04:22:43.720 But you only brought up my family dynamic, which you don't think I'm doing anything wrong in.

04:22:47.620 In order to what?

04:22:48.560 You wanted to disparage me in front of other people?

04:22:50.880 Isn't that what you were trying to do?

04:22:52.380 You thought that once you-

04:22:53.300 I wanted to prove that my worldview-

04:22:53.900 Did you want to reveal to everybody the great secret that's not a secret, Chuck?

04:22:58.020 I wanted to prove to you that my worldview allows you to live the life that you are living.

04:23:01.840 So does mine.

04:23:02.540 No, the fuck it doesn't.

04:23:04.000 Tell me how-

04:23:05.000 Tell me why it doesn't.

04:23:05.960 What Christian nationalist, the average Christian, hates divorce?

04:23:09.800 They would say to your wife, stay with that abusive, horrible man.

04:23:12.500 You're wrong.

04:23:12.660 You married him.

04:23:13.300 That's your husband.

04:23:13.880 You're totally wrong, and I debate the issue all the time.

04:23:16.580 Constantly.

04:23:17.080 All right.

04:23:17.640 Well, good luck with that with a Christian nationalist.

04:23:19.120 Even under Catholicism, and by the way, Christian nationalism advocates for this as well.

04:23:24.940 If there's abuse in the home or abandonment or things like this, of course, that's grounds for divorce.

04:23:29.820 They're against things like not getting rid of show cause, right?

04:23:34.760 Like you have to show a cause for a divorce.

04:23:36.420 You have to create justification.

04:23:38.040 They're against things like no fault.

04:23:40.000 That's the things they're against.

04:23:41.660 Nobody's like, oh, there are some people, I agree, there are some people who have been like, well, even if you're getting beaten up in a fucking relationship, you should stay.

04:23:50.560 But you know what happens when you actually hone down on what they're saying?

04:23:55.120 They're actually saying, wait a second.

04:23:57.060 What I'm saying is that that's something which can be worked through.

04:23:59.420 That's not a thing which instantly nullifies the marriage.

04:24:02.600 And then as Christians, you should try to work through that first before you end the marriage, especially if you have kids.

04:24:07.320 That makes a lot of fucking sense to me.

04:24:09.660 Did your wife have a no fault divorce?

04:24:12.420 Was it no fault?

04:24:13.780 I'm not going to get into my personal life with you, Chuck.

04:24:16.340 All right.

04:24:16.760 But if you're saying that Christian nationalists are, you know, they're pro show cause but against at fault divorce, then it's the same thing.

04:24:25.820 Chuck, well, what happened is her ex-husband went in the room and beat her half to death.

04:24:31.840 Yeah, that's horrible, man.

04:24:32.320 Shut up, Chuck.

04:24:33.100 That's horrible.

04:24:33.560 Shut up, Chuck.

04:24:34.140 You want me to relive it and you want me to tell you about it, so I will.

04:24:36.920 I'm asking if it was so close or no fault.

04:24:37.680 No, shut up, Chuck.

04:24:38.460 It's my turn to tell you.

04:24:39.640 All right.

04:24:39.900 And ripped out half of her tongue.

04:24:41.980 Ripped it out of her fucking head.

04:24:44.120 And so the thing is funny, Chuck.

04:24:45.660 I just want to point this out.

04:24:47.140 Thanks, by the way, for reminding me of that.

04:24:49.760 Yeah, you're welcome.

04:24:50.880 Can you just help me out with this?

04:24:52.940 Which Christian nationalists would say that divorce under those circumstances was not appropriate?

04:25:00.020 Who was the dude that was berating his pregnant wife?

04:25:04.120 You tell me.

04:25:05.180 Steven Crowder?

04:25:06.600 Yeah.

04:25:07.840 You think Steven Crowder, who's one of Rachel's best friends, would tell her that that was...

04:25:14.540 That's her best friend?

04:25:15.300 I didn't say it was her best friend.

04:25:17.080 That's one of her best friends?

04:25:18.840 Yes.

04:25:19.920 And one of mine.

04:25:21.740 Jesus Christ.

04:25:23.000 I mean, that's what I mean, man, is you espouse...

04:25:24.620 No, no, no, man.

04:25:25.660 What I mean, man, is you just said that Steven Crowder...

04:25:28.440 It is pro-woman abuser.

04:25:29.400 Steven Crowder.

04:25:30.400 It is pro-woman abuser.

04:25:30.920 You're saying that Steven Crowder...

04:25:32.820 You were telling your wife's, like, whore...

04:25:34.500 You are talking about her horrific trauma, and then you're saying, like, that, that, like,

04:25:39.540 freaking Steven Crowder...

04:25:41.280 Steven Crowder didn't lay a finger on his wife.

04:25:43.980 You are hanging out with abusers of women that want to trap women in normal relationships.

04:25:47.120 Steven Crowder never laid a finger on his wife, you lying bitch.

04:25:52.180 As far as we fucking know.

04:25:53.720 No, as far as she claimed publicly, you fucking idiot, you don't even know anything about

04:25:57.200 the case, you stupid broad.

04:25:59.520 Can you tell me...

04:26:00.520 Can you tell me that Hillary Crowder has said that Steven Crowder ever touched her?

04:26:05.500 Ever.

04:26:07.020 I don't know.

04:26:07.680 Then why are you making these allegations?

04:26:09.860 But he's still abuser of women.

04:26:10.560 How?

04:26:11.480 It was disgusting.

04:26:11.880 Because he got into an article...

04:26:13.380 The way that he spoke to her.

04:26:14.200 And you support that.

04:26:15.620 You support men that speak their words like that.

04:26:15.840 Chuck, you've been in worse arguments in relationships than that.

04:26:18.940 I guarantee it.

04:26:19.700 I haven't.

04:26:20.320 Oh, my God.

04:26:21.060 You people are the worst liars.

04:26:23.020 You're the worst liars.

04:26:24.520 The most uncharitable fucking people.

04:26:27.100 The worst lying sex...

04:26:29.020 The worst.

04:26:29.240 You just made an accusation that Steven Crowder abused his wife.

04:26:33.220 Total lies.

04:26:34.120 Said that he beat her up.

04:26:35.300 Total fucking lies.

04:26:36.560 Said that he would hate Rachel Wilson, who's one of his best friends.

04:26:40.640 Right?

04:26:41.140 You're a fucking idiot.

04:26:42.580 You don't know what you're talking about.

04:26:43.880 You've been saying random bullshit this whole night, and you...

04:26:45.460 You literally don't know what you're talking about.

04:26:48.260 You literally...

04:26:48.740 Chuck, just stop.

04:26:50.240 You're an embarrassment, Chuck.

04:26:51.320 ...bodies and evidence, you'd be like, no, it's not.

04:26:53.320 I watched your debates.

04:26:55.000 Well, Chuck, I'm surprised you didn't learn from any of them.

04:26:58.560 Because, good Lord, it was a terrible showing for you the whole night, and you really ended

04:27:02.260 it with a flourish, let me tell you.

04:27:04.020 I didn't come here to win.

04:27:05.860 Yeah, well, I'm glad, because that wasn't going to happen.

04:27:08.920 Not with your fucking audience.

04:27:10.340 This audience, it's all fucking incels.

04:27:13.280 It's all incels.

04:27:14.700 Yes.

04:27:15.260 Well, your audience is all a bunch of ditch-licking whores.

04:27:17.600 What do you want me to say?

04:27:18.800 I like them better than you.

04:27:20.420 Yeah, you should.

04:27:21.320 I do.

04:27:23.600 Enjoy them, Chuck.

04:27:24.840 Got you real red in the face.

04:27:27.160 My hands were on my face just now, Chuck.

04:27:29.760 And before.

04:27:31.680 Because my hands were on my face, Chuck.

04:27:33.360 No, because you're mad.

04:27:34.200 It's performative, Chuck.

04:27:36.340 I don't know.

04:27:36.940 You looked pretty angry just a second ago, Chuck.

04:27:39.640 You were pretty upset.

04:27:40.040 This is what my face looks like, normally.

04:27:42.520 I told you this, even before the debate began.

04:27:44.800 Okay.

04:27:45.160 That I have heavyset eyebrows.

04:27:46.400 I look angry naturally.

04:27:47.580 You got it, Chuck.

04:27:48.460 And I have a big, scary man on the face.

04:27:49.180 I know, I know, I know, Chuck.

04:27:50.660 I know.

04:27:50.900 I get it.

04:27:52.460 I get it.

04:27:53.080 Thank you for making all those baseless accusations about people, though.

04:27:56.100 Sure.

04:27:56.320 That was very kind of you.

04:27:58.260 I mean, thank you for promoting a worldview that is fundamentally racist, misogynistic,

04:28:04.000 homophobic, and trans.

04:28:05.000 I guess that that justifies...

04:28:06.720 Thank you for spreading hate.

04:28:07.220 Thank you for contributing to ruining a generation of young men.

04:28:09.940 Yeah, so I guess that justifies any evil thing you want to do, huh, Chuck?

04:28:13.540 Radicalizing them out of approaching...

04:28:15.820 You know, Chuck...

04:28:16.160 These are the same exact reasons that they shot Charlie Kirk, Chuck.

04:28:19.020 Because they're sex workers.

04:28:19.440 Same reason that your trans friend shot Charlie Kirk is because you think it's...

04:28:23.120 My trans friend?

04:28:23.460 My transgender friend.

04:28:24.560 You think it's okay.

04:28:25.500 You're trans friends.

04:28:26.420 This is why you think it's okay.

04:28:27.920 It was a cisgender man that shot Charlie Kirk.

04:28:29.460 Oh, give me...

04:28:30.160 Who's fucking a trans?

04:28:32.580 Give me a break.

04:28:33.800 And by the way, let's point this out, Chuck.

04:28:35.880 I just want to point this out.

04:28:37.500 That it's the justification that you can do any evil thing you want to me because you

04:28:41.720 think I espouse a bad worldview.

04:28:43.400 That's exactly what Charlie Kirk killed.

04:28:44.960 Actually, you were the one arguing that we should go in and violently colonize or blow

04:28:48.680 up people because they do things differently.

04:28:50.620 And I was the one...

04:28:51.080 Because they're molesting children, Chuck?

04:28:53.440 I'm still with love and kindness.

04:28:54.060 Because they're molesting children?

04:28:56.100 Please, with love and kindness.

04:28:56.940 That's what I said.

04:28:57.520 Tell the audience what the cum warriors do, Chuck.

04:28:59.760 They already know.

04:29:01.120 Do they?

04:29:02.380 Yeah.

04:29:02.640 And you said fucking blow them up.

04:29:04.780 Uh-huh.

04:29:05.260 Yeah.

04:29:05.500 I'm sorry that I would blow up pedophiles, Chuck.

04:29:07.820 That's terrible of me.

04:29:09.580 I'm a real bad guy.

04:29:10.880 Smokey man.

04:29:11.260 All right.

04:29:11.580 Chuck.

04:29:11.920 Smokey man bad, Chuck.

04:29:13.140 I'm certain that the person who shot Charlie Kirk thought the same thing.

04:29:16.580 Yeah.

04:29:16.700 Smokey man bad.

04:29:17.580 Even though I do nothing in your worldview, me being a stepfather is not problematic.

04:29:22.360 There's a million stepfathers.

04:29:23.360 You commend me.

04:29:24.060 You commend me, of course, for doing that.

04:29:25.680 You say it's a good thing that I do that, but you bring it up anyway because you want

04:29:28.660 to attack me.

04:29:29.240 I mean, do you make those children feel like they are like a charity case that you've just

04:29:34.780 done such great things for?

04:29:36.400 Oh, so I'm sorry.

04:29:37.360 So I shouldn't do it because if I do, what?

04:29:39.960 No, but you should be normal about it.

04:29:41.340 What does that mean?

04:29:42.020 You brought it up.

04:29:42.780 Don't treat it like it's like, oh, I'm such a good man for doing this thing and taking

04:29:46.580 in this broken, abused women.

04:29:48.320 Like, it's like, I don't like the way you're talking about it, dude.

04:29:51.260 Oh, how should I talk about it, Chuck?

04:29:53.040 Like a normal person.

04:29:53.860 What does that mean, Chuck?

04:29:55.080 It should just be a fact.

04:29:56.300 It should just be neutral.

04:29:57.620 Okay.

04:29:58.040 It was a fact.

04:29:59.140 And I, you brought it up because you wanted to use it as something disparaging, but you

04:30:02.800 can't figure out how it's disparaging.

04:30:04.600 It's disparaging because it goes against the worldview that you espouse.

04:30:08.000 What part of me marrying a woman who was divorced goes against my worldview?

04:30:12.620 You say gnarly things about promiscuous women and that they're disgusting.

04:30:15.600 That's not promiscuity.

04:30:17.600 Three baby daddies?

04:30:18.700 Yes, that's promiscuous.

04:30:19.380 Wait a second.

04:30:19.960 Wait a second.

04:30:20.520 Help me out here.

04:30:21.300 How many times have you had sex?

04:30:23.020 I couldn't count.

04:30:24.880 How many different partners have you had?

04:30:28.500 Oh, it depends on what you would consider sex.

04:30:31.360 Men.

04:30:32.180 Men?

04:30:32.720 Yeah.

04:30:33.000 How many men of you fuck, Chuck?

04:30:35.100 Certainly under 10.

04:30:36.200 Yeah.

04:30:36.520 And she has three.

04:30:38.660 Three long-term relationships and I'm one of them.

04:30:42.940 Okay, Chuck.

04:30:44.000 Can you tell me which one of you are promiscuous?

04:30:48.300 Forever tied to her through having had children with them.

04:30:51.060 Forever tied to her.

04:30:51.940 That's a much stronger bond than a hookup.

04:30:53.920 Okay.

04:30:54.260 But help me out.

04:30:55.160 You fuck way more women than my wife and she's the promiscuous one?

04:30:58.400 You wouldn't consider what I do sex, would you?

04:31:00.760 You fuck men.

04:31:01.540 You said you fucked 10 men, Chuck.

04:31:04.540 I said under 10.

04:31:05.760 You wouldn't consider, you would not consider the sex that I've had with women to be sex.

04:31:10.000 Is that what you said?

04:31:11.480 No, I'm talking about men.

04:31:14.020 Then why'd you bring up women?

04:31:15.400 I was, I didn't try to.

04:31:16.840 I was talking about men.

04:31:17.740 Okay.

04:31:18.520 So yeah, Chuck, you fucked way more.

04:31:20.900 None of them got me pregnant.

04:31:22.140 Yeah.

04:31:22.560 Well, who cares if they did?

04:31:23.720 He would just abort the kid.

04:31:25.880 I mean, yeah.

04:31:26.620 But I.

04:31:26.800 Yeah.

04:31:27.220 Because you're just a sick fuck.

04:31:29.380 I'm not a sick fuck.

04:31:30.420 You're a sick fuck.

04:31:31.080 I think it's cruel.

04:31:32.160 I think it is crueler to have children when you are unprepared and bring them into an

04:31:35.800 unsafe household.

04:31:36.700 I think that.

04:31:37.120 Yeah.

04:31:37.240 Okay.

04:31:37.460 Well, I'll make sure to let my stepkids know that they shouldn't have brought in the world

04:31:40.580 because Chuck wishes that her mom killed them because then she couldn't say he had three

04:31:44.040 baby daddies.

04:31:44.720 Could she?

04:31:45.240 Go ahead and go ahead and tell them.

04:31:46.920 I'll go ahead and tell them Chuck.

04:31:48.000 Tell them.

04:31:48.460 Tell them.

04:31:48.880 I'll let them know Chuck.

04:31:49.620 But it's every time you talk about how older women are undesirable, women with pasts are

04:31:55.000 undesirable.

04:31:55.340 That's not what I say.

04:31:55.820 And then you are dating a woman.

04:31:57.420 You are married to a woman.

04:31:58.580 You are in love with a woman.

04:31:59.440 Chuck, can you tell me what my position is?

04:32:01.640 I've seen your tweets.

04:32:02.780 What's my position?

04:32:03.460 I've seen the way that you speak to sex workers.

04:32:04.500 Can you tell me what my.

04:32:05.620 I've seen the way that you speak to people with sex.

04:32:06.160 Was my wife a sex worker?

04:32:08.580 No.

04:32:09.120 No.

04:32:09.440 She has three baby daddies.

04:32:10.500 Okay.

04:32:10.740 So not a sex.

04:32:11.460 So not a sex worker?

04:32:12.680 Not a sex worker?

04:32:13.860 No, not a sex worker.

04:32:14.920 Okay, great.

04:32:15.820 Chuck.

04:32:16.240 But so you talk to promiscuous women.

04:32:17.780 So she had three, so she had three long-term relationships and did what she was supposed

04:32:21.560 to do in them when she was married, which is have children.

04:32:24.580 Yeah.

04:32:24.920 And how did that turn out for her?

04:32:26.060 It turned out great.

04:32:26.840 I, I, she ended up with me.

04:32:28.280 She got half her tongue ripped out.

04:32:29.240 That's what you just said.

04:32:29.580 Yeah.

04:32:29.900 But she's been with me for almost what?

04:32:31.580 Fucking 18 years.

04:32:34.180 What's your longest term relationship, Chuck?

04:32:36.200 Three years, but I'm in my twenties.

04:32:38.140 Three years.

04:32:38.660 Three years and 10 guys.

04:32:40.320 Boy, you got a way to go, Chuck.

04:32:41.520 I said under 10, but I'm also in my twenties and you're in your forties.

04:32:44.760 I married her when I was in my twenties.

04:32:46.740 She's with her.

04:32:48.420 What do you mean?

04:32:49.520 She was in her thirties when you married her then.

04:32:52.700 Uh, was she?

04:32:53.680 I don't.

04:32:54.260 She's five years older.

04:32:54.980 No, she's, she's not five years.

04:32:56.280 She's three years older.

04:32:57.040 You idiot.

04:32:57.760 Oh, my bad.

04:32:58.720 My information was wrong then.

04:33:00.020 Yeah.

04:33:00.460 Cause you got it from a dumb whore.

04:33:02.400 Didn't you?

04:33:03.360 Which dumb whore?

04:33:04.500 Tree of Logic.

04:33:06.120 You got it from a stupid whore and that's why your information's bad.

04:33:09.140 What else?

04:33:09.660 Is Tree of Logic the name of someone?

04:33:11.100 What else do you think?

04:33:12.320 What else do you think, Chuck?

04:33:13.780 Do I have an illegitimate black child too?

04:33:17.060 No.

04:33:17.600 That wasn't part of your information?

04:33:19.480 No.

04:33:20.020 Oh.

04:33:20.400 What else was part of your information?

04:33:21.800 How much older is my wife than me?

04:33:23.320 Five years.

04:33:24.080 Oh.

04:33:24.580 Okay.

04:33:24.860 Well, how old is she then?

04:33:26.800 She's 43 if you said it was three years.

04:33:29.060 Wait.

04:33:29.360 How old am I, Chuck?

04:33:30.540 40.

04:33:31.120 I'm 41.

04:33:32.060 Oh, okay.

04:33:32.780 Well, she still has three baby daddies, which you confirmed.

04:33:35.040 So you were wrong about that, right?

04:33:37.720 You were wrong about that?

04:33:38.600 Does she not have three baby daddies?

04:33:39.840 No.

04:33:40.140 She didn't have three baby daddies.

04:33:41.660 Men you're married to aren't baby daddies.

04:33:44.440 A baby daddy is a man that gets pregnant.

04:33:45.780 No.

04:33:46.380 No.

04:33:46.960 Your disparagement there, as fun as it is, right?

04:33:50.360 Remember, she's not here to defend herself either.

04:33:52.260 Cause she'd knock you the fuck out probably.

04:33:54.700 But.

04:33:55.000 She would hit me?

04:33:55.980 Oh, yeah.

04:33:56.480 If you had personally attacked her, I'm sure she would.

04:33:59.040 Well, I wouldn't have personally attacked her.

04:34:00.480 I might have gently suggested that, you know, telling women to submit to their husbands

04:34:04.540 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, is kind of, you know.

04:34:06.380 That created great outcomes for her, Chuck.

04:34:09.460 Is this a great outcome?

04:34:10.880 It sure seems to be for her.

04:34:13.360 Because, I mean, being with you and I think dedicating your life to being a content creator

04:34:18.240 that just, like, debates and that's the extent of your Christian goodness, I wouldn't

04:34:23.100 consider that the high living.

04:34:24.400 Wait.

04:34:24.700 I wouldn't consider that virtuous.

04:34:25.760 Chuck, is that the extent of my Christian goodness?

04:34:27.920 Probably.

04:34:28.480 Tell me what I do.

04:34:29.160 This is what you do.

04:34:29.820 Tell me what I do with all that money I make, Chuck.

04:34:32.340 I don't know.

04:34:33.480 But I thought you just told me what the extent of my Christian goodness was.

04:34:36.580 The impact that you leave on the world.

04:34:38.560 Oh.

04:34:38.940 Whether you donate to charities or not.

04:34:40.480 So it justifies.

04:34:40.920 Which I strongly doubt that you do.

04:34:42.500 You strongly doubt that?

04:34:43.500 What you do.

04:34:43.760 What you do with your worldview is you use it to feed your ego.

04:34:47.700 What you do with your career.

04:34:49.300 My ego?

04:34:50.140 Yes, your ego.

04:34:50.920 My ego.

04:34:51.500 Your ego.

04:34:52.600 So tell me, tell me, Chuck, can you help me out here?

04:34:54.400 And I know that this is the thing about Pride, too, because the first time we debated, you

04:34:57.740 said to me, you just humiliated yourself in front of all of these people.

04:35:01.220 You did.

04:35:01.440 And I said, I've been on bigger platforms.

04:35:03.060 You said, no, you haven't.

04:35:05.040 What bigger platform were you on?

04:35:07.760 Uh, well, I was interviewed by CNN once.

04:35:11.320 Uh, no.

04:35:12.140 So you weren't on a bigger platform, Chuck.

04:35:14.420 No, but also, Qbot.

04:35:14.620 So I was right.

04:35:15.760 Shush.

04:35:16.200 So I was right, Chuck.

04:35:17.620 I was right.

04:35:19.520 Qbot in 2024.

04:35:21.680 Yeah.

04:35:22.440 Qbot.

04:35:22.480 Had a viewer average of about 10,000.

04:35:25.120 Uh-huh.

04:35:25.340 And I went on her show with MorgPi, and I was subject to a lot more people and greater,

04:35:32.400 scarier things.

04:35:33.300 Oh.

04:35:33.500 Um, so I guess now, technically, Brian's platform is the largest platform I've been

04:35:37.600 on.

04:35:37.940 Oh.

04:35:38.720 Yeah.

04:35:39.280 Gotcha.

04:35:40.240 Yeah.

04:35:40.620 Okay.

04:35:40.940 But before that, it was mine.

04:35:42.580 That's awesome.

04:35:43.240 No, it was Qbot.

04:35:44.140 Oh, it was Qbot.

04:35:45.000 Yeah.

04:35:45.380 And how many people were watching Qbot at that time, if we go pull that stream?

04:35:48.560 We'll find the numbers.

04:35:49.200 When we were debating?

04:35:50.300 Uh-huh.

04:35:50.600 I'm not referring to her numbers at that time.

04:35:52.960 I was referring to her viewer average in 2024 when I went on her dating show with MorgPi

04:35:58.420 that were over 10K viewers concurrent.

04:36:00.720 Gotcha.

04:36:01.260 That is what I'm referring to.

04:36:02.520 Okay.

04:36:02.780 And that is far more immortalized than this will be.

04:36:05.300 So, help me out with this, though.

04:36:06.780 I just want to make sure that I get all this right.

04:36:08.960 So, ultimately, you think that it's okay to try to use these disparaging things against

04:36:18.300 my wife, who's not here to defend herself.

04:36:20.320 Why?

04:36:21.260 What does she do to you, Chuck?

04:36:22.820 I'm trying to convince you of my worldview.

04:36:24.440 Yeah, but what does she do to you, Chuck?

04:36:27.060 I mean, I think that being married to you is, um...

04:36:30.380 It's enough to do whatever evil you want to her, isn't it, Chuck?

04:36:33.020 Was what I said evil or wrong?

04:36:35.020 Was it inaccurate what I said?

04:36:36.380 Was it inaccurate what I said?

04:36:38.180 Was it inaccurate?

04:36:38.840 Remember how earlier...

04:36:39.680 Was it a lie?

04:36:40.220 Yeah, but was it...

04:36:41.200 What are you trying to use it as disparaging like you do with Colonizer?

04:36:44.340 I'm trying to point out your hypocrisy.

04:36:45.280 Where's the hypocrisy?

04:36:46.960 Because of the worldviews that you espouse.

04:36:48.560 Tell me what I espouse, which is hypocritical.

04:36:51.240 You spend your time convincing men that older women are undesirable, that women with past

04:36:55.640 are undesirable.

04:36:56.240 You're lying.

04:36:56.880 I have scrolled through your freaking tweets.

04:36:58.780 Chuck.

04:36:59.020 I've seen this.

04:36:59.520 Chuck.

04:36:59.720 I've seen what you said.

04:37:00.820 You have built your career off the way.

04:37:02.080 Give me the position, Chuck.

04:37:03.540 Give me the position I have.

04:37:05.140 The position you think I have, which is hypocritical.

04:37:06.860 Older women are undesirable, and an 18-year-old will always be more desirable than a...

04:37:11.100 Total fucking lies, Chuck.

04:37:12.620 So here's my actual position.

04:37:13.660 That was actually one of the first...

04:37:15.320 I guarantee you, you'll never find the tweet.

04:37:17.260 And when we're done here, I'll send you a thousand bucks per tweet that I'm wrong about.

04:37:20.620 Promise.

04:37:21.300 So here we go.

04:37:21.980 You ready?

04:37:22.580 My actual position.

04:37:23.760 As women get older, they're generally less desirable than when they were younger.

04:37:27.640 Uh-huh.

04:37:28.940 Anything else, Chuck?

04:37:30.060 Am I wrong?

04:37:31.240 But do you think...

04:37:31.940 Hang on, hang on.

04:37:32.440 Chuck, am I wrong?

04:37:33.260 Chuck, am I wrong, though, Chuck?

04:37:34.600 Uh, depends on who you ask.

04:37:37.460 I'm asking you...

04:37:38.600 I like older women.

04:37:39.540 I'm asking you, Chuck, in general...

04:37:41.740 And my mom and all of her heterosexual friends got a lot of play.

04:37:45.060 Yeah, but Chuck, in general, is it not the case that, in general, as women get older,

04:37:49.900 they become less desirable to men than younger women?

04:37:53.480 In general.

04:37:55.280 Not now, I don't think so.

04:37:56.960 I think there's an age cap.

04:37:58.520 So if I were to show you stats of when men respond and say that they would prefer younger

04:38:02.320 women over older women, they're lying?

04:38:04.960 Maybe.

04:38:05.540 Okay, gotcha.

04:38:06.340 I don't know, you can never trust statistics or where they're from, you can never trust

04:38:09.000 the recent studies or blah, blah, blah, blah.

04:38:10.480 Never said that either.

04:38:11.520 I said that every study needs to be vetted, but okay.

04:38:14.020 So anyway, what's the next position that I espouse, which I probably don't?

04:38:18.140 That makes me a hypocrite.

04:38:19.740 So I want to say that, as an outsider looking in, what your platform looks like is it's teaching

04:38:24.520 young men to...

04:38:25.080 Yeah, I don't care about that.

04:38:26.080 How am I a hypocrite?

04:38:27.900 What am I saying that's hypocritical?

04:38:29.540 It's a hypocrite because you are married to a woman that the men that you are influencing

04:38:35.040 to feel these things, you are married to someone that they would find completely unacceptable.

04:38:39.800 I don't think you know my audience.

04:38:41.900 I know their audience.

04:38:42.840 I don't have a red pill audience.

04:38:44.620 You do, dude.

04:38:45.200 I don't.

04:38:45.840 I'm not a red piller.

04:38:46.880 I'm like to lock down all of my socials.

04:38:47.940 I'm literally not a red piller.

04:38:49.780 Because every time after I debate you, what I have is a bunch of dudes hopping into my

04:38:53.660 comments, calling me a stupid whore, a bitch, and a slut.

04:38:56.340 What does that have to do with me?

04:38:57.460 That's your audience.

04:38:58.160 No, my audience.

04:38:58.880 That's your audience, man.

04:38:59.300 My audience are Christian nationalists.

04:39:01.600 That's my audience.

04:39:02.800 Yeah, and they're assholes.

04:39:03.940 Maybe, but that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

04:39:06.000 They're not Christians.

04:39:06.820 What things do I advocate for that are hypocritical to how I live my personal life?

04:39:11.380 What?

04:39:13.360 What, Chuck?

04:39:14.200 You're dating a promiscuous woman.

04:39:15.800 How is that promiscuous?

04:39:17.060 You're dating a woman who has three baby daddies.

04:39:18.640 I'm not dating anybody.

04:39:19.540 I'm married.

04:39:20.440 And how is it promiscuous?

04:39:22.220 She had three long-term relationships and was married.

04:39:24.780 Children with three different men.

04:39:26.600 How is that promiscuous?

04:39:28.320 It's not a problem to put something.

04:39:29.320 So if her husband died in war and she got remarried, me as a Christian, that's promiscuous?

04:39:33.320 It's different.

04:39:34.020 How?

04:39:34.560 How is that different than he leaves her?

04:39:35.920 It's death.

04:39:36.540 How is that different than he leaves her?

04:39:38.180 It's not violating the great sanctity of a Christian marriage.

04:39:40.340 But Chuck, I've never advocated that.

04:39:43.240 Ever.

04:39:44.400 So how could I be a hypocrite?

04:39:46.020 Dude, in everything you say and do, you fucking advocate for this shit.

04:39:49.300 Here, I'm going to start pulling out, I'll tell you what, I'll start pulling out cash.

04:39:54.340 I don't want you to fucking money.

04:39:55.140 Pull up the tweet.

04:39:56.640 Pull up the tweet that shows me a hypocrite to my worldview.

04:39:59.380 I'll keep pulling out cash until you can.

04:40:01.180 Keep pulling it out.

04:40:01.980 Okay, how much do you want?

04:40:03.020 I'm not playing your game.

04:40:04.160 You're not going, because you don't have shit.

04:40:05.680 No, because I'm not going to sit here and dig through your fucking tweets.

04:40:08.680 Because there's nothing there that would make me a hypocrite to my view.

04:40:11.340 Do you think?

04:40:12.100 Dude, your platform is literally two normal people.

04:40:15.960 Reads as insane, dude.

04:40:17.800 That has nothing to do with the claim I'm a hypocrite.

04:40:20.600 Chuck.

04:40:20.740 That is fucking...

04:40:21.440 Chuck.

04:40:21.640 Yes, dude.

04:40:22.220 Show me how I'm a hypocrite, Chuck, for my view.

04:40:24.900 You spend your time shitting on women.

04:40:26.640 I don't.

04:40:27.040 That is all you do.

04:40:28.360 Hardly.

04:40:28.920 That is all you do.

04:40:29.040 You discourage that from...

04:40:29.960 But even if I did, even if all I did was shit on women, how am I a hypocrite?

04:40:35.800 Because you are married to a woman with three baby daddies.

04:40:38.460 And do I ever make a prescription that that's immoral or wrong?

04:40:41.520 I think you made up rules for yourself that it's okay to fit your worldview.

04:40:45.320 Bro, when have I ever advocated...

04:40:48.120 When have I ever advocated that you can't be a stepdad?

04:40:51.160 I think that you would be so proud.

04:40:52.040 I think you would be so proud of your chaste Christian wife that's never been married.

04:40:55.580 Are you ever going to show me how I espouse views, which I don't believe, ever?

04:41:02.980 What do I actually say?

04:41:04.320 You just have, like, watched the shit that you make.

04:41:06.760 You can just watch your clips and see the things that you say.

04:41:10.600 Chuck, tell me my position that makes me a hypocrite.

04:41:13.460 Please.

04:41:13.580 I just told you.

04:41:14.260 I've told you several times.

04:41:14.720 What?

04:41:15.200 What?

04:41:15.700 I've told you several times.

04:41:16.120 What is it?

04:41:16.920 What?

04:41:18.220 I just told you several times.

04:41:19.400 No, you didn't.

04:41:19.940 Do you not have fucking ears, dude?

04:41:21.660 What did you just tell me?

04:41:23.580 What?

04:41:23.900 You are married to a woman that would be considered by the men that you proselytize to.

04:41:30.340 Me, Chuck.

04:41:31.520 That they are...

04:41:32.800 Me, Chuck.

04:41:34.400 What do I...

04:41:35.860 What do I advocate for that makes me a hypocrite, Chuck?

04:41:40.800 What?

04:41:41.360 To look for chaste young women.

04:41:43.720 That's not even my...

04:41:44.680 Women who are not stained.

04:41:45.720 You spend all your time shitting all over sex workers.

04:41:49.200 Yeah, they...

04:41:49.700 All your time.

04:41:50.260 Yes, good.

04:41:50.540 And if I recall correctly, you have said that there is, like, a girl who's at an OnlyFans

04:41:55.200 or done sex work as undateable, unlovable, unmarriageable.

04:41:58.020 No, I've never said any of those things.

04:41:59.800 I swear to God I've heard it.

04:42:01.120 No.

04:42:01.700 Chuck, you hear what you want to hear.

04:42:04.200 So here's my actual position.

04:42:05.820 Uh-huh.

04:42:06.200 And I'll tell you.

04:42:07.360 So my actual position on step-parenting is the same position that I would have on sex work.

04:42:12.000 I'm really glad that you stopped being a sex worker and welcome to Christianity.

04:42:16.480 That's not going to guarantee you a great husband, though, because your past walks with you, unfortunately.

04:42:21.320 And when it comes to step-parenting, right, it is true that generally people get bad outcomes when it comes to dating and marrying single moms, especially kids.

04:42:30.500 But that doesn't mean all of them are bad.

04:42:32.240 That's what I've always advocated, Chuck.

04:42:36.660 How come you didn't know that?

04:42:39.240 Know that about you?

04:42:40.280 Yeah.

04:42:40.560 How come you didn't know that?

04:42:41.880 That's what I advocate.

04:42:42.960 Because it's not reflected in anything that you say.

04:42:44.180 It's because you selectively only want to hear what you want to hear, and you only did that to do rage bait, because you don't know any of my positions.

04:42:52.060 You never took the time to listen, ever.

04:42:54.380 Why would I listen?

04:42:55.080 It's all slop.

04:42:55.880 Yeah.

04:42:56.360 How could it be slop if you don't even know what it is?

04:42:58.720 I also don't think that these are your positions.

04:43:00.600 I genuinely don't.

04:43:01.460 Again, I think that you are creating goals.

04:43:02.920 Brian, haven't I made those positions a thousand times on the show?

04:43:07.060 Those same positions?

04:43:08.760 Mm-hmm.

04:43:09.840 Mm-hmm.

04:43:11.420 If I can just really quick, you've said Andrew has said certain things.

04:43:16.140 Were they whatever podcast appearances?

04:43:18.820 Yeah, I believe so.

04:43:20.240 Some of the things that you claim Andrew said, I'd sit next to him for all these appearances, I've never heard him argue.

04:43:27.040 Okay.

04:43:28.020 So you just lied, Chuck.

04:43:28.960 Well, I still think you're a shitter, dude.

04:43:32.720 That's nice, but I don't have the positions you claim I have.

04:43:36.560 And it was pretty, and what happened is, you just think that because you disagree with me and I'm a bad person, that it's just okay to do whatever horrible thing you want to me.

04:43:44.700 And that's what the left does.

04:43:45.480 Oh, well, what you were attempting to do there was you were attempting to disparage me for no particularly good reason even.

04:43:52.520 Because you called me stupid.

04:43:53.880 Yeah, but what did my, did my wife call you something?

04:43:55.880 Uh, your wife has actually said really rude things about me in the super chats before when we...

04:44:01.040 Yeah, maybe she didn't say anything to you tonight.

04:44:03.380 But, you know, the thing is...

04:44:04.400 I don't care.

04:44:04.920 I'll fucking remember it.

04:44:05.820 Yeah, I know.

04:44:06.300 Well, here's the thing.

04:44:06.960 I'll remember this too, Chuck.

04:44:08.040 And I'm just going to point this out so that you know...

04:44:10.260 Okay, then hold on to it.

04:44:11.080 Well, I'm not going to hold on to it.

04:44:12.320 I'm just pointing this out.

04:44:13.380 I'll always know you as a hypocrite.

04:44:15.140 Sure.

04:44:15.240 The person who said I was doing the bad thing, and then when I asked her about it, said it wasn't a bad thing.

04:44:19.520 That sounds like hypocrisy to me.

04:44:21.240 I said it was hypocritical to your worldview.

04:44:23.300 And when you could tell me how, I'm listening.

04:44:29.320 Because you do not live as a good Christian.

04:44:32.720 How would that make me a hypocrite in my marriage?

04:44:35.780 Because, again, what you are saying, even if you have not, you do lead men away.

04:44:42.720 To where?

04:44:43.540 The church?

04:44:43.900 Forgiving or good towards women.

04:44:44.680 I lead them away from what?

04:44:46.600 To church?

04:44:47.280 I lead them to church?

04:44:48.280 You lead men towards hatred of women.

04:44:50.380 You create incels, dude.

04:44:52.300 This podcast creates incels.

04:44:53.660 Yeah, I know.

04:44:54.300 No offense, Brian.

04:44:54.900 Everyone just...

04:44:55.760 Everything creates incels.

04:44:57.480 So why are you here participating in...

04:44:58.980 It's just the thing about like the...

04:45:00.300 Then Chuck...

04:45:00.940 Creates a bias about...

04:45:01.700 Chuck, why are you here creating incels with me?

04:45:05.280 I'm here for fun.

04:45:06.400 Oh, so you don't mind creating incels then?

04:45:08.680 I'm not creating incels.

04:45:10.560 Isn't by you participating in a show which is creating incels?

04:45:13.440 Assisting in the creation of incels, Chuck?

04:45:15.560 No, this one isn't.

04:45:16.820 Oh.

04:45:17.540 This one isn't?

04:45:18.520 No.

04:45:18.840 I thought you just said it was five seconds ago.

04:45:21.900 I think when it's like a...

04:45:23.420 Oh my God, you're a contradiction machine, Chuck.

04:45:25.480 Oh, I'm bad.

04:45:27.460 Contradiction machine.

04:45:30.040 Rachel seems to indicate she'd like to do a call-in with your permission.

04:45:34.460 Oh, absolutely.

04:45:35.320 I'm going to go have a smoke.

04:45:36.100 Oh, I don't want to talk to you.

04:45:37.040 Oh, no.

04:45:37.680 You talked a bunch of shit.

04:45:39.060 Now it's your turn.

04:45:40.560 I think it would be fair.

04:45:41.940 You did invoke...

04:45:43.180 You talked a bunch of shit, Chuck.

04:45:44.320 You did invoke Rachel.

04:45:45.500 I mean, sure.

04:45:47.060 Sure.

04:45:47.760 So Rachel, Andrew gave the green light there.

04:45:50.940 It'll take us a few minutes to get it going.

04:45:52.500 All right.

04:45:52.700 Bring in your wife.

04:45:52.880 Bring in your wife to fight me and hide behind.

04:45:54.280 Guys, stay tuned.

04:45:55.260 Rachel Wilson is in the building spiritually, in spirit, not physically, not corporeally.

04:46:06.600 You think this podcast...

04:46:08.480 Look, I'm just here to host and moderate.

04:46:11.760 I'm not really here to debate.

04:46:13.440 You think this podcast is...

04:46:16.760 What did you say?

04:46:17.620 Something about incels?

04:46:19.600 I worry about the effect that...

04:46:21.440 Closer to the mic.

04:46:22.920 I worry about the effect that your podcast has on the minds of young men, where I see

04:46:27.360 in your comment sections, when I've looked, is a lot of dudes saying, all girls are whores.

04:46:33.360 Every woman these days has an OnlyFans.

04:46:35.780 I feel like it pushes men towards distrusting women, and I think makes the issue of the sexless

04:46:43.120 incel worse.

04:46:45.200 Hold on.

04:46:45.960 Okay.

04:46:46.160 There's a lot there.

04:46:48.000 I believe that it's sowing division between men and women.

04:46:50.580 You believe the podcast is sowing division between men and women.

04:46:53.720 Okay, well, hold on.

04:46:54.340 Let's start with one thing first.

04:46:55.900 I can address some of your other things here really quickly, but specifically on the incel

04:46:59.000 thing, just how do you define incel?

04:47:01.860 Involuntary celibate.

04:47:03.520 Involuntarily celibate.

04:47:04.460 Okay.

04:47:04.600 And I would say that a hatred of woman comes along with it.

04:47:09.320 Like it's inherent?

04:47:13.260 No, but it develops.

04:47:14.460 Like if you struggle with dating, that means you hate women.

04:47:16.540 My bad.

04:47:16.980 I didn't mean to catch a string.

04:47:18.220 You know what, really quick though on that, I actually think men who are like hyper successful

04:47:23.140 with women have a stronger tendency towards misogyny than men who have struggles with

04:47:28.860 dating.

04:47:29.680 Like I actually think it's the case that like mega giga player guys are probably more likely

04:47:36.380 to have misogynistic leanings than guys who like struggle a little bit or even a lot with

04:47:42.900 dating.

04:47:43.960 Do you disagree?

04:47:45.160 I think it's 50-50.

04:47:48.140 I think that it's like to the same.

04:47:50.640 I think they both end up, I think men on the extremes both end up just being like kind

04:47:56.900 of super shitty towards women.

04:48:00.020 Okay.

04:48:01.140 We have some chats here.

04:48:03.260 By the way, in addition to the Rachel call-in, what do you, Andrew, what do you think about

04:48:10.580 that if I send my assistant to go get us some In-N-Out right now, we'll do a mukbang on the

04:48:16.440 whatever, an In-N-Out, it's like you eat on stream.

04:48:19.960 I don't know if I have the, it's, you said three to four hours.

04:48:24.800 Well, you know, listen, you talk some shit about Steven Crowder, you talk shit about

04:48:30.620 Steven Crowder, you talk shit about Andrew, you talk shit about Andrew's wife.

04:48:35.320 You know, look, I was trying, I was trying to wrap the show here.

04:48:38.320 Andrew, Andrew, you know, I was trying to wrap.

04:48:41.480 I was, I never liked the shows to go long.

04:48:43.800 I was trying to end the show.

04:48:44.860 And then you had to talk shit about Crowder, which by the way, you know, I'm not, I'm not

04:48:49.620 debating here.

04:48:51.040 What, where's your evidence for the abuse?

04:48:53.880 The video where he, he maybe slightly had a tone.

04:48:57.800 That's it.

04:48:59.280 That's abuse.

04:49:00.220 That's abuse.

04:49:01.320 And by the way, she's never done anything like that.

04:49:03.480 His whole freak out about no fault divorce.

04:49:05.600 His whole freak out about no fault divorce, I think is a pretty indicative of where he stands

04:49:11.160 and how he treats his wife and views his wife.

04:49:13.060 Have you ever raised your voice slightly?

04:49:16.500 Just curious.

04:49:17.320 Depends on who.

04:49:18.920 Your pregnant wife?

04:49:20.300 Your immensely pregnant wife?

04:49:22.860 Yeah, thousands of hours of video and she set it up for there to be 30 seconds of video

04:49:27.400 that she could go take to a divorce attorney.

04:49:29.680 Okay.

04:49:30.820 Guy who never hit her once, guy who never did anything to her, still takes care of his kids

04:49:34.680 and then she tried to fucking negotiate some backdoor fucking money dealings with a big

04:49:38.300 network too on top of it.

04:49:39.480 I'm good for her.

04:49:40.020 Like you fucking, get out of there girl.

04:49:41.340 You fucking people are insane.

04:49:43.060 You're insane.

04:49:43.740 You think that, you think that women who have children with a man like have a desire to

04:49:48.400 like blow up their whole marriage?

04:49:50.200 Sometimes they do, yeah.

04:49:52.740 Just like, don't you think that there's some men who have a desire to blow up their marriage

04:49:55.840 after they have kids?

04:49:58.020 Uh, yeah.

04:49:58.660 Yeah.

04:49:59.200 But, but just not women though.

04:50:00.780 They're malevolent or benevolent fucking angels and never do stuff like that.

04:50:04.720 Give me a break, Chuck.

04:50:06.360 All right.

04:50:09.120 Don't you think there's a higher threshold for abuse, you know?

04:50:11.660 Like maybe he, his tone was a little bit, you know, a little bit.

04:50:15.580 She didn't say that.

04:50:16.460 She said he beat her up.

04:50:18.600 He said he, he said he beat her up.

04:50:20.120 I thought that was the fucking story.

04:50:20.920 I also think he's a fucking loser.

04:50:22.660 Yeah, I know.

04:50:23.140 Cause you disagree with him.

04:50:24.400 I know.

04:50:24.880 Cause you disagree with him.

04:50:25.740 I do disagree with him.

04:50:26.700 I think he's hateful and stupid.

04:50:28.120 I know.

04:50:28.600 But so that justifies any bad thing you want to do to him.

04:50:30.940 Doesn't it?

04:50:31.280 Just like it did Charlie Kirk.

04:50:32.520 I didn't, I think it is ridiculous to, to claim that I have a desire to assassinate

04:50:40.700 someone.

04:50:41.920 What?

04:50:42.560 No, no.

04:50:42.800 You see.

04:50:43.640 Like, like the, like the assassin, rather than make a claim that the assassin killed Charlie

04:50:48.680 Kirk because people like you said, Charlie Kirk was an evil Nazi.

04:50:51.920 And so if you tell people that, if you tell people that, that this person's a really bad

04:50:56.800 person over and over again, that they're Adolf Hitler light and stuff like that, they

04:51:01.320 start to not look at them as humans.

04:51:02.580 What do you think happens when you say that all lesbians are morally reprehensible?

04:51:05.680 What do you think?

04:51:06.200 What do you think that spreads?

04:51:07.300 You think that spreads kindness?

04:51:08.700 I don't think, I don't think, show me where lesbians are getting shot because of my rhetoric.

04:51:13.100 Cause if you're, I mean, yes, hate crimes do occur because people are mostly with lesbians.

04:51:19.700 It's between lesbians and they beat each other up.

04:51:22.080 That statistic, uh, is inaccurate because it was just asking about relationships, um,

04:51:26.540 which do include past heterosexual relationships.

04:51:27.760 What about the latest statistics on it though, for domestic violence and, uh, with just,

04:51:31.900 I don't know, maybe you can't check statistics.

04:51:33.880 Maybe you just can't.

04:51:34.720 I'd have to double check.

04:51:35.820 I'd have to double check the study.

04:51:36.560 You can check some.

04:51:38.220 Those aren't, that's not a study.

04:51:40.240 Those aren't studies.

04:51:41.200 Those are just straight raw crime statistics.

04:51:43.180 And when it comes to domestic violence, yeah, lesbians like to beat each other up a lot.

04:51:46.460 What do you want me to say?

04:51:47.500 They do.

04:51:48.580 So it seems like the most amount of hate crimes from lesbians come from lesbians to lesbians.

04:51:52.240 Don't you think that women are like mega sexual predators too?

04:51:54.800 Isn't that like a thing?

04:51:55.740 You said that to me once that you think like women in positions of power tend to be like

04:52:01.120 extreme sexual predators.

04:52:01.700 Do you want the actual position, Chuck?

04:52:03.680 Sure.

04:52:03.900 Do you even care?

04:52:05.640 Like, do you actually care?

04:52:06.880 I'm tired.

04:52:07.540 I didn't think you did.

04:52:08.300 I want to go home.

04:52:08.880 You never care.

04:52:10.020 The truth is you just, you just hear what you want to hear.

04:52:13.680 And that's all you hear.

04:52:14.760 Uh, you are not someone that I respect enough to listen to.

04:52:21.040 You sat here the entire time and listened to me.

04:52:23.460 Yeah.

04:52:23.660 For fun.

04:52:24.380 Yeah.

04:52:24.660 For fun.

04:52:25.520 For, because you got paid, right?

04:52:27.500 Yeah.

04:52:27.820 Yeah.

04:52:28.100 We're not allowed to talk about that.

04:52:29.440 Yeah.

04:52:29.580 I know.

04:52:30.100 I get it.

04:52:30.980 But it's really, it's, it's funny though, to me, hilarious to me, um, that you would,

04:52:36.720 you would make like these horrible fucking claims about Steven Crowder beating up.

04:52:39.940 Like what a horrible thing to say.

04:52:41.440 What a horrible thing to say about someone.

04:52:44.040 You've moved on from your wife to Steven Crowder.

04:52:46.760 Oh no.

04:52:47.020 Well, you won't let her call in.

04:52:48.040 Remember?

04:52:49.600 I didn't, I thought she was saying that.

04:52:51.420 Oh, okay.

04:52:51.860 Good.

04:52:52.360 She said she were mean to her.

04:52:53.960 You should talk to her.

04:52:54.860 Yeah.

04:52:55.180 You should talk to her.

04:52:57.220 You can, you can, you can ask her to give you the accounting.

04:52:59.580 Rachel, are you there?

04:53:01.780 Hello?

04:53:04.820 Sorry.

04:53:05.260 Uh, if you guys want to continue to follow real quick, I'm trying to get this, uh, call

04:53:08.820 down.

04:53:09.540 Anyway, yeah.

04:53:10.220 I think that, uh, I think it's easier for people to justify doing whatever they want

04:53:14.580 to us because you call us Nazis.

04:53:15.820 So even while you, you know, you want the walk downs and the COVID passports and we're

04:53:22.740 the fascist Nazis, fucking crazy.

04:53:25.740 People are fucking crazy.

04:53:26.960 All right.

04:53:27.340 All right.

04:53:27.400 Sorry guys, I'm trying to get it going, but seriously, she thinks, she thinks, she thinks

04:53:54.060 that I'm an incel, I'm an incel and I'm married and I don't think you're an incel.

04:53:58.240 And most of my audience is married and they're incels.

04:54:00.860 You create incels.

04:54:02.040 Yeah.

04:54:02.280 But most of my audience is married.

04:54:03.900 So how are they incels?

04:54:05.020 You know, like, you know, you do realize that we can see our demographics and I know most

04:54:09.420 of my audience is between the ages of about 32 and 41.

04:54:14.540 Do you think that those men are, do you think that there are men at that age that aren't

04:54:18.000 incels, aren't sexless?

04:54:19.380 I think that if most of them are married, if most of them are married, they're not incels by definition.

04:54:24.060 Because I also have YouTube demographics and I can't check if they're married or not.

04:54:28.200 Oh no, no, no, no.

04:54:29.300 Charlie, there's outside groups that do, that do all sorts of audience polling and things

04:54:34.860 like this.

04:54:35.420 And yeah, we've checked what our audience is all about many times.

04:54:38.560 And the thing is, is like, it's funny.

04:54:40.600 We even ask them internally.

04:54:42.780 Well, it's literally like the worst people possible.

04:54:45.400 Yeah.

04:54:45.620 The worst married people possible.

04:54:47.240 That are making my country dog shit.

04:54:51.000 That's you that makes the country dog shit for us, Charlie.

04:54:54.060 All right.

04:54:54.680 Well, it's just.

04:54:56.740 All that freedom to give us no freedom.

04:55:00.640 Yeah.

04:55:00.860 I think that people being disappeared, families torn apart.

04:55:04.660 People aren't supposed to be here.

04:55:06.780 A lot of them are citizens that are being snatched up.

04:55:08.960 No, there's not a lot of them who are citizens being snatched up.

04:55:11.660 Even if they aren't, you know what?

04:55:12.640 It's mostly not.

04:55:13.360 I think that you as a, as a follower of Christ, you should welcome them.

04:55:18.480 Oh, should I?

04:55:19.140 But you're not legit.

04:55:20.340 What should I?

04:55:20.780 You're not really about it.

04:55:21.580 How, how, how, how should I, how should I welcome them?

04:55:24.620 With love and kindness and open arms.

04:55:26.400 Okay.

04:55:26.780 Should I let them live, should I let them live in my house and give them all my money?

04:55:29.940 No, you don't have to do all that.

04:55:31.040 Why not?

04:55:32.220 Why should I?

04:55:32.820 You assist them.

04:55:33.500 Well, wait a second.

04:55:34.180 Why should I just, why should I just stop?

04:55:36.960 Why should I just stop?

04:55:38.260 It's just like, yay.

04:55:39.140 Why shouldn't I let them into my house and have all my money, Chuck?

04:55:42.620 How come?

04:55:43.280 Wouldn't Christ want me to do that?

04:55:44.540 Uh, no, that's not how that works.

04:55:47.140 Well, what would, what, what do you, the atheist, think Christ would want me to do?

04:55:50.980 I'm agnostic.

04:55:51.860 Oh, what would you, the agnostic, what do you think Christ would want me to do?

04:55:55.020 I think that Christ would want you to give, uh, some of what you have.

04:56:00.680 To?

04:56:02.220 To the poor.

04:56:03.460 To immigrants.

04:56:04.520 Oh.

04:56:05.420 Well, well, gee, Chuck.

04:56:06.200 That's what Jesus would do.

04:56:06.900 I give 25% of my money to the poor.

04:56:09.340 How much do you give?

04:56:11.180 25%?

04:56:12.040 Uh-huh.

04:56:12.340 Oh, can you verify that?

04:56:13.500 Yes.

04:56:13.900 All right.

04:56:14.980 How much do you give?

04:56:16.060 Well, I mean, I give it to the church and they dispense it to the poor, so yeah.

04:56:18.940 Okay, so you give it to the church.

04:56:21.180 Are you saying that my church doesn't dispense to the poor?

04:56:24.120 Um, I think that you ought to be wary about it.

04:56:26.740 Wary of it.

04:56:27.380 Oh, should I send it to a private charity to pay a CEO a ton of money instead?

04:56:31.560 Even though we know that direct charitable contributions from the church actually get to the people,

04:56:35.280 and when you send it to a charity, it usually goes to administration fees?

04:56:38.900 Mm.

04:56:39.720 Mm.

04:56:40.080 You know that for sure?

04:56:41.100 For sure.

04:56:41.440 That's where the church's money is going.

04:56:42.780 Yeah, well, I mean, I know the board of the church.

04:56:45.080 I'm pretty sure that I know where they're sending my money, yeah.

04:56:47.240 All right.

04:56:48.820 If you say so.

04:56:49.680 Yeah, how much do you give?

04:56:50.940 What I can.

04:56:51.720 How much is that?

04:56:53.780 What I can win.

04:56:54.580 How much is that?

04:56:55.680 What I can win.

04:56:56.400 Yeah, how much is that, percentage-wise, of your income?

04:56:58.860 Percentage-wise?

04:56:59.320 Yeah.

04:57:01.860 The truth, Chuck.

04:57:06.400 Over my lifetime?

04:57:08.400 No.

04:57:09.400 In the last four years.

04:57:11.740 In the last four years.

04:57:12.440 What have you given as a total percentage of your income to the poor, Chuck?

04:57:16.060 I couldn't even, I don't even know how much of my total income is.

04:57:19.500 Guess.

04:57:20.180 Guess.

04:57:20.580 Guess what percentage?

04:57:21.280 I'm not even keeping track.

04:57:21.960 Guess what percentage?

04:57:23.500 If I have cash on hand, I hand it out to people.

04:57:24.900 If I see people-

04:57:25.620 You got cash on hand?

04:57:27.020 No, not right now.

04:57:28.040 Oh, geez.

04:57:28.680 Well, how much as a percentage do you think you've given?

04:57:33.340 The truth.

04:57:34.540 How much?

04:57:34.960 I would say definitely in the 10% range.

04:57:38.020 Yeah, fucking right.

04:57:38.880 You haven't given 10% of your whole cash to nobody.

04:57:43.220 I was doing that before I was a content creator.

04:57:45.460 All right.

04:57:46.780 I was given-

04:57:48.060 Doubt.

04:57:48.840 Well, you can doubt it.

04:57:50.100 I don't think that people with your ego do those sorts of things.

04:57:53.140 I know.

04:57:53.720 That's the problem with you, is that you don't think that.

04:57:56.400 You don't think that I do massive charity streams, because you don't watch.

04:57:59.560 You don't even listen.

04:58:00.700 But I do them all the time.

04:58:01.720 I've interacted with you enough to know that.

04:58:03.240 You don't know shit.

04:58:04.000 I've done massive charity streams.

04:58:05.880 I do them every year.

04:58:07.740 What are you talking about?

04:58:09.520 I fed hundreds of families personally with the Crucible.

04:58:12.500 We've raised thousands of dollars to do it.

04:58:14.940 What have you done?

04:58:16.300 What have you done?

04:58:18.340 Which things?

04:58:19.720 Everything you bring up, you're wrong about.

04:58:21.800 So which thing am I not leading in a Christlike way?

04:58:23.680 You live your life in service of your ego.

04:58:25.160 Prove it.

04:58:25.780 This is about preaching.

04:58:26.300 This is about winning.

04:58:27.280 This is about-

04:58:28.180 Then why do I give so much money when nobody can see?

04:58:30.660 I don't think you fucking do.

04:58:31.880 I don't think you do.

04:58:33.080 From the bottom of my mind, I do not believe that you do.

04:58:35.760 If I prove it to you, what do I get?

04:58:37.640 Nothing.

04:58:38.160 I'm not going to give you shit.

04:58:38.940 Exactly.

04:58:39.820 So fuck off.

04:58:41.300 You got nothing.

04:58:42.200 And you can also write those off on taxes.

04:58:44.340 So not very charitable.

04:58:45.480 Do you know you can only do that up to a certain amount?

04:58:47.460 Yes.

04:58:47.880 Yeah.

04:58:48.840 Rachel, are you there?

04:58:49.640 Can you hear us?

04:58:52.180 Hello?

04:58:53.900 Rachel?

04:58:54.280 Can you hear me?

04:58:54.820 Rachel?

04:58:56.020 Yes.

04:58:57.740 I don't know why Discord wasn't working, so we're just going to do it via the phone.

04:59:02.660 Do you want to say anything?

04:59:04.380 Okay.

04:59:05.200 Yeah.

04:59:05.720 Am I coming through okay?

04:59:07.400 Yes.

04:59:09.080 Okay.

04:59:09.560 Good.

04:59:09.760 Well, I guess I'm just going to ask her the same question kind of that Andrew asked her,

04:59:15.140 which is, I mean, she said all this stuff about me that she got completely wrong, but

04:59:19.160 what is it that you think Andrew or I are doing that is wrong or hypocritical?

04:59:25.760 I do feel that with your guys' platforms, what you do is, Rachel, I'm going to be honest

04:59:32.420 with you.

04:59:32.720 I'm not familiar with your platform.

04:59:35.300 I'm only familiar with your husband's.

04:59:36.920 You're only familiar with talking shit about her when she's not here?

04:59:39.900 Well, hey, man, I was trying to prove my point.

04:59:42.680 I was trying to prove my point.

04:59:44.540 Yeah, good job.

04:59:46.220 Okay.

04:59:46.840 How does what you said about me prove your point?

04:59:49.540 Like, again, did somebody tell you that Andrew, like, hates on single moms and, like, shits

04:59:56.680 on them?

04:59:57.160 And so you thought that because he's married to me and I had kids before I married him

05:00:02.720 that, like, he's a bad Christian?

05:00:04.660 Like, I don't understand where you're coming from with this.

05:00:07.200 What did he do wrong?

05:00:08.700 And what did I do wrong?

05:00:10.840 So the basis of Andrew's platform is essentially to make women look good.

05:00:19.540 Look stupid and humiliate them.

05:00:22.980 And I don't.

05:00:23.400 No, you're doing a perfectly good job of that all by yourself.

05:00:26.500 He doesn't even need to help.

05:00:27.880 But go on.

05:00:28.780 All right.

05:00:29.060 Erroneous.

05:00:30.400 Erroneous.

05:00:31.420 Sorry.

05:00:33.680 Sorry.

05:00:35.500 Okay.

05:00:40.620 I lost my train of thought.

05:00:43.220 Tell the whole world why we're bad.

05:00:46.100 The whole world?

05:00:46.820 Why am I bad?

05:00:48.040 You were saying that Andrew's whole purpose is to make women look dumb and stupid.

05:00:52.240 But that's how his, like, that's how his thing works is he goes on debate shows.

05:00:57.460 A lot of the time, it's young women, people with no formal debate experience, such as myself,

05:01:02.200 to mock them, make them look stupid, clip farm, and then gain money and notoriety this way.

05:01:08.620 He doesn't engage in real thoughtful debate.

05:01:10.880 I've seen people walk off from debating him because he...

05:01:13.720 Wait a second.

05:01:13.740 We've got to do one thing at a time.

05:01:15.060 One thing at a time.

05:01:15.880 You can't just shotgun 500 things.

05:01:17.680 Okay.

05:01:18.060 Did you not have agency?

05:01:19.720 Did you not have agency when you accepted this debate with Andrew?

05:01:23.640 Yeah, I did.

05:01:24.180 Okay.

05:01:26.260 How is...

05:01:27.140 Then what did he do wrong?

05:01:28.700 Do you want him to treat you like, oh, like, because you're a feminist, so do you want him

05:01:33.040 to only debate men?

05:01:34.520 Because if he did that, you'd say, well, he's a misogynist.

05:01:36.940 He won't even debate women because he doesn't take them seriously enough or whatever.

05:01:41.340 Like, you guys make yourself look stupid.

05:01:45.180 Andrew can't make you look stupid if you're not.

05:01:48.140 And I would go on here, and I would make you look 10 times stupider because you're really,

05:01:53.840 really uninformed but really, really confident about everything you say.

05:01:57.880 You do not sound like a person with a college education.

05:02:01.100 My homeschooled 13-year-old can explain per capita, okay?

05:02:06.700 You are not a very smart person.

05:02:08.420 You're the one who put yourself in this position.

05:02:10.460 And since you lost and you got humiliated, you thought the thing to do would be attack me.

05:02:15.380 And, okay, so let's go there.

05:02:17.020 Where did you get the idea that I'm promiscuous?

05:02:22.440 Well, that you're promiscuous?

05:02:26.640 Sorry, you just also said a bunch of shit that I was trying to keep track of.

05:02:30.720 Yeah, you said that I'm promiscuous.

05:02:33.180 So what promiscuous means I've slept with a lot of people, right?

05:02:37.700 I would say that I think that having children with multiple men is, I think that that is more significant than...

05:02:48.600 Okay, well, I think it would be if, and I know why people assume this.

05:02:53.460 I do understand why people assume it.

05:02:55.420 They're just wrong in their assumptions.

05:02:57.020 It would be wrong if I had been sleeping with lots of people, if I had been carelessly getting pregnant with random people.

05:03:03.700 That's not the case.

05:03:04.720 I've spent my entire adult life only in three long-term committed relationships.

05:03:10.140 One of which is an almost 20-year relationship with Andrew now.

05:03:14.120 We're like 18 years in.

05:03:15.620 I've been married since 2012.

05:03:17.840 Prior to that, I was married for four years.

05:03:20.320 As Andrew had to unfortunately explain, that ended not even because I left, but because he beat the crap out of me.

05:03:28.300 And was being pursued by the law and left the state, and so it was like abandonment.

05:03:33.600 The first one was my high school boyfriend, who I knew my whole life, who I was with for five years.

05:03:38.720 He had two children.

05:03:40.240 He had his own personal problems, and that did not work out.

05:03:44.480 So I understand why people make the assumption, but the truth is I'm not promiscuous.

05:03:50.240 I have an extremely low body count.

05:03:52.000 I've never had one-night stands.

05:03:53.500 I've never cheated on anyone.

05:03:54.880 I've never just carelessly or casually had sex ever.

05:04:00.120 So I've only ever been with men that I, at least at the time, felt certain I was going to be with forever and have a family with.

05:04:07.960 Maybe you should have.

05:04:08.860 I did get nursed on the first two.

05:04:10.160 I did get nursed on the first two, I will admit.

05:04:13.620 I did wonder.

05:04:15.060 Hang on, Rachel.

05:04:15.540 I did wonder one thing.

05:04:16.720 If she had slept with three men but had aborted all of the children, would she still be promiscuous?

05:04:21.480 She would have lived her life.

05:04:26.240 It would have been better for her.

05:04:27.900 Yeah.

05:04:28.400 If she had only slept with three men but aborted her children, would she – hang on.

05:04:33.020 Would she – hang on.

05:04:33.840 Rachel, stop for a second.

05:04:35.340 Would it be the case?

05:04:36.880 Was that too abusive?

05:04:38.100 Shut up, Rachel.

05:04:39.120 Was that too abusive, Charlie?

05:04:40.680 So, Charlie, tell me, if she had aborted her children with those three relationships, would she be less promiscuous or not?

05:04:48.860 I think that, frankly, in my opinion, her life would have been better spent.

05:04:53.900 Would she be less promiscuous, Charlie?

05:04:55.800 Yes.

05:04:56.380 Yeah, she'd be less promiscuous.

05:04:57.660 Yeah.

05:04:58.080 These fucking people.

05:05:00.260 Rachel, you should have – I'm talking about optics.

05:05:02.480 Rachel, you should have killed – you should have killed her kids, Rachel.

05:05:06.380 Maybe she should have.

05:05:07.360 Maybe she should have.

05:05:08.180 I wouldn't have been – wait.

05:05:10.120 So, it's less promiscuous if I kill the children?

05:05:14.460 I mean, you're not killing children.

05:05:16.020 You're having an abortion.

05:05:16.880 Did you just say to me – did you just say to me that my life would be better if I had aborted my children?

05:05:27.980 I mean, if I were in your shoes, I would have had a better time doing that.

05:05:35.580 Wow.

05:05:36.740 Well, I regret to inform you that I love all of my children.

05:05:42.220 I would never unalive them.

05:05:45.180 I would never wish that they weren't born, even if there was some mild inconvenience to me along the way, or maybe I had to do a little work to raise them.

05:05:55.560 I love my children.

05:05:57.420 I would never wish that they had not been born.

05:06:00.380 Would you deny – would you deny that under patriarchy you are seen as, like, a – I hate to use this phrase, but as a damaged woman on account of having had children with multiple men?

05:06:14.860 Would you deny that that is, unfortunately, the common – the common perspective?

05:06:19.320 I actually think it's people like you who think that about me.

05:06:24.140 Andrew is a patriarch.

05:06:25.980 He is a patriarchist.

05:06:27.900 As you said, he's the one out here representing the patriarchy.

05:06:31.780 And he looked at my situation and said, she is worth marrying, because if I had been divorced because I was a bitch or because I was not submissive or because I was a cheater or because I was mentally unstable,

05:06:47.440 any of the normal reasons that you do have a woman who's got kids from two guys, the usual reasons.

05:06:53.860 I happened to be an outlier for the reasons why I was in that situation, and despite the fact that – and I've said this before – I thought Andrew was way too good for me.

05:07:03.400 I tried to break up with him multiple times because I thought, he's got a great wife with no baggage.

05:07:08.260 Why would he – you know, he could pick anybody.

05:07:10.060 He should pick someone else other than me.

05:07:11.840 That was my opinion.

05:07:13.660 He was the one who looked at me and said, no, I really think you're a great wife material, great mom material.

05:07:19.700 I know that, based on the fact that you're already a great mom.

05:07:23.620 Yeah, your situation isn't the best, but all things considered, it's a deal I'm willing to take.

05:07:29.080 Because he thought I was that awesome.

05:07:30.680 Isn't that cool?

05:07:31.620 What a good guy.

05:07:33.360 And he was a great stepdad.

05:07:35.720 And he loves all the kids.

05:07:37.680 He never treated the older ones like they were any different.

05:07:41.860 You know, he never – there was never any drama with him, like, you know, talking bad about their dad.

05:07:47.240 He was a great guy.

05:07:48.420 He's a great guy.

05:07:50.520 And it turns out that you're the one who thinks I should have killed my kids.

05:07:55.080 You would rather party and have fun and get bullshit degrees than produce human beings who are going to go off and create the future.

05:08:01.320 Oh, yeah, I would.

05:08:01.960 It turns out.

05:08:02.900 It turns out that you are the hateful, selfish, awful one.

05:08:07.940 Oh, I see.

05:08:08.360 Who's willing to lie about people, say things that aren't true when you don't know what they're true.

05:08:12.360 You've just defamed multiple people in front of millions.

05:08:16.360 You're willing to lie about people.

05:08:18.420 And you don't care.

05:08:19.020 There'll be millions who see this.

05:08:20.360 It turns out.

05:08:21.580 It turns out that it is not – Andrew is the charitable one.

05:08:25.720 Andrew is the selfish one.

05:08:27.260 I've also already had people spread clips around me that got hundreds of thousands of views, and it was fine.

05:08:35.140 I'm just letting you know that she was saying something accurate, that millions of people will likely see this, yes.

05:08:41.320 And they'll forget tomorrow.

05:08:42.800 I don't know.

05:08:44.440 Okay.

05:08:45.320 But that wasn't the point.

05:08:46.660 But again, at the end of the day, do you guys feel that the work that you do makes more women interested in turning towards Christian nationalism than being repulsed and disgusted by it?

05:08:58.640 Well, it's not all about women, is it?

05:09:01.440 It's not all about women.

05:09:02.420 I mean, if we're talking about helping women –

05:09:04.520 We're not just talking about helping women, though.

05:09:06.660 I think helping men is helping –

05:09:07.840 You're interested in helping men turn away from normal, healthy partners.

05:09:12.980 Normal, healthy partners?

05:09:14.040 I think it's just too high, or they've done –

05:09:15.680 Yeah.

05:09:15.960 I don't know.

05:09:16.520 Yeah.

05:09:16.940 Like you –

05:09:17.580 I would love a chance to tell her why I do this.

05:09:20.360 Yes.

05:09:20.820 Go ahead.

05:09:21.160 If I may.

05:09:22.040 So the reason I do what I do, which you said you don't know what I do, so I'll tell you.

05:09:26.780 I write history books about the history of women's liberation, and I regret to inform you that you don't know anything about it.

05:09:33.740 You don't actually know how the movement happened, why the movement happened.

05:09:37.620 You were under the impression that women couldn't get educated.

05:09:40.940 I did – I'm sure you're the average dope who thinks women, you know, were chained to the stove, couldn't leave the house.

05:09:46.860 They were just used and abused by the evil patriarchy who just, for some reason, wanted to enslave them and make them into sex puppets.

05:09:53.460 Blah, blah, blah.

05:09:54.240 The stereotypical bullshit that all you female liberals and everybody else pretty much believe.

05:09:59.720 Well, I never said all that.

05:10:00.800 I wrote a best-selling book correcting the historical record, and that's what I do.

05:10:06.360 I'm more of a historian, and then I do argue with feminists like you because what you'll do to men like my husband and to Brian is instead of win the arguments, which you cannot, you can't win the debate, you don't know what you're doing, you're an absolute bonehead at this.

05:10:20.840 So what you do is attack them personally like you did Steven Crowder.

05:10:23.920 You're probably going to go back after this and write a bunch of bullshit or say a bunch of bullshit about Brian and Andrew because that's what all of you do after you leave the show, after you get your ass kicked all over the place.

05:10:33.360 Well, Brian's been nice to me, so I'm not going to say shit about Brian.

05:10:36.240 I know, it's just Andrew.

05:10:37.280 Smokey man bad.

05:10:39.460 I'm here to debunk your nonsense and keep families together.

05:10:42.640 I don't give a shit.

05:10:43.480 I'm not willing to sacrifice children and children's lives on the altar of women's feelings anymore.

05:10:50.980 Women like you who think they're expendable, who think they need to be killed in the womb so that you can party.

05:10:56.740 Women like you who think that the family can be a bunch of gay dudes having designer babies together.

05:11:02.180 Women like you who've destroyed society and made this world a nightmare.

05:11:07.600 I'm here to put your ideas in the grave where they belong, once and for all.

05:11:13.120 So I'm here to support the patriarchy.

05:11:15.040 I'm kind of like the secretary that helps the patriarchy, and I just happen to be really fucking good at it.

05:11:20.760 So if you ever want to talk more shit, let me know and I'll set up a debate with you,

05:11:25.000 and I'll make you look ten times stupider than even Andrew has.

05:11:28.780 You're the one who should get back in the kitchen, because you're useless.

05:11:34.200 I don't know what you contribute to society.

05:11:37.020 Nothing.

05:11:38.140 Well, I can't cook, so they should probably not put me back in the kitchen, because I'd burn the house down.

05:11:43.660 You can learn.

05:11:44.740 No.

05:11:45.820 No interest in it.

05:11:46.680 Well, I'm going to let you guys finish her off, because I've said everything that I need to say,

05:11:51.220 but you shouldn't lie and gossip about people that you don't know.

05:11:56.340 It's not very Christian.

05:11:58.000 Rachel, I would be—well, I'm not a Christian.

05:12:00.560 Rachel, I would be interested in talking to you if you ever wanted to debate,

05:12:06.820 because I am interested in what you have to say about women's liberation and the history of women's rights.

05:12:11.780 Why is she going to debate you the second you're out of here?

05:12:13.780 All you're going to do is talk shit about her husband, like he did Steven Crowder when he wasn't here.

05:12:17.760 Well, she said it.

05:12:18.760 Yeah.

05:12:19.160 Steven—when am I going to get the chance to talk to Steven Crowder?

05:12:21.680 Yeah, but—

05:12:22.080 Why would I ever talk to Steven Crowder?

05:12:23.300 Why do you think it's okay on a public podcast that has thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people watching right this second

05:12:29.680 to make those disparaging and horrible fucking reference to Steven Crowder?

05:12:33.760 He's—look, maybe you can say that I'm a bad man, that smoky man bad,

05:12:38.260 but you can't say that about Steven Crowder.

05:12:40.980 He's the opposite.

05:12:42.300 Like, that guy is fucking—he's one of the greatest guys I've ever met in my life.

05:12:46.380 Well, first off, my misconception about the extent of the abuse of his wife was corrected pretty quickly,

05:12:53.160 so I think that that's fine.

05:12:54.360 But why was it said?

05:12:56.060 That's what I thought he did.

05:12:57.380 Yeah, but the thing is, is like, if you weren't sure, why even say anything about it at all?

05:13:03.200 I was sure that that's what had happened.

05:13:05.080 You were sure?

05:13:05.740 And normally I look things up, but I can't do it right now.

05:13:09.300 Man.

05:13:10.040 All right.

05:13:10.700 I don't want to jump onto my phone in the middle of it.

05:13:12.980 Can you—can you—okay.

05:13:14.420 I'm sorry for saying that thing that I said about Steven Crowder.

05:13:18.240 Steven Crowder, I'm sorry.

05:13:19.600 I still think you're a freak for—not that he's going to watch this—a freak for advocating against no-fault divorce.

05:13:28.240 I think that's evil and crazy and would hurt so many.

05:13:30.660 Please, God, no.

05:13:31.900 I could, but I won't.

05:13:32.940 I don't want to.

05:13:35.340 Wait, so you're sorry for saying it, but are you correct—just clarifying, are you correcting your statement, or are you just—

05:13:42.860 Yeah, I'm correcting my statement.

05:13:43.960 Yeah, I'm saying that it was corrected.

05:13:46.480 A message from the government of Canada.

05:13:48.640 Pasty George donated $200.04.

05:13:52.160 Thank you, Pasty.

05:13:52.800 Charlie states that she is against authoritarianism, yet she and many voters like her are tyrants with their voting power,

05:14:00.160 which they use without fully knowing any context and rely solely on feelings.

05:14:04.520 Completely.

05:14:05.700 She just got done saying that you're less promiscuous because you have abortions.

05:14:08.620 And then she said, no, that's not really true.

05:14:12.100 I just optically—

05:14:13.000 You will be viewed as less promiscuous.

05:14:15.940 Well, look, that's not what you said, though.

05:14:18.180 You didn't say it's just a matter of—

05:14:19.440 I would consider it to be less promiscuous.

05:14:21.800 Yeah, and tell—because you know that that's an untenable and stupid position.

05:14:26.060 I don't.

05:14:27.700 I don't think it is.

05:14:28.820 I think that that does follow you in ways that hookups that result in no pregnancies does.

05:14:34.500 I think you would have to sleep with a considerably high amount of people.

05:14:38.360 Look, I agree, but on the other hand, again, I'm a Christian ethicist, not a red pillar.

05:14:44.540 I don't know where you ever got the idea I'm a red pillar or that my audience is red pill at all because they're not.

05:14:49.580 There are—it is indeed the truth—

05:14:51.380 To be fair, there's the red pill.

05:14:52.640 Is this my show?

05:14:54.560 You go in here a lot.

05:14:55.600 Is it mine, though?

05:14:56.740 Or do I have the crucible?

05:14:58.500 You have the crucible.

05:14:59.320 Yeah, so the thing is, is like, I'm a Christian ethicist.

05:15:02.060 There's many people in the whatever chat who don't agree with me, who hate my guts.

05:15:05.300 Now, not most of them, I will admit.

05:15:06.920 Most of them like you.

05:15:07.760 Yeah, I've won a lot of them over, but they disagree with a lot of the things I say still.

05:15:11.980 I didn't win them over for that.

05:15:13.800 I won them over because I have better arguments.

05:15:16.420 And the thing is, is like, you don't.

05:15:20.020 And I wish you did, right?

05:15:21.840 I'm not a formal debater.

05:15:23.020 You don't need to be a formal debater.

05:15:24.760 If you tell the truth, you can argue.

05:15:27.720 I mean, I'm honest.

05:15:28.760 I'm saying what I believe is the truth.

05:15:30.760 Yeah, and the truth five seconds ago was you're less promiscuous if you have abortions.

05:15:34.540 Like, that's not true.

05:15:35.940 Yeah, I think that looks less promiscuous.

05:15:37.260 That's not what you said.

05:15:39.100 That's a nice addendum now, but it's not what you said.

05:15:41.020 And I would consider someone that's had abortions to be less promiscuous.

05:15:43.640 Okay.

05:15:48.980 Yeah, we have some chats coming through.

05:15:52.200 Hold on.

05:15:52.960 Let me put one sec here.

05:15:55.120 We have Pasty George.

05:15:58.880 A message from the government of Canada.

05:16:01.200 Pasty George donated $200.04.

05:16:04.960 If the whatever podcast creates incels and men who hate women, then why are so many men seeking traditional non-feministic women in other countries not influenced by feminism?

05:16:15.600 I have one thought on this.

05:16:19.360 If we're doing an assessment of respective audiences by you're either worse or better based on the recency with which your, I guess, collective or audience has had sex.

05:16:37.320 If it is the case that my audience has sex, has on average sex more frequently than your audience, does that mean your audience is worse than my audience?

05:16:49.080 If they have sex more?

05:16:50.160 Like, if my audience has more sex or more frequent sex than your audience?

05:16:55.740 It means you win.

05:16:56.640 Do I win?

05:16:57.900 You win.

05:16:58.420 You win.

05:16:59.680 You do.

05:17:00.580 You win.

05:17:01.320 And I'm sorry, Brian.

05:17:02.040 I didn't mean to drag you into that.

05:17:04.420 Pasty George donated $200.04.

05:17:06.620 Finish that thought after this.

05:17:08.620 Why is it that whenever a person who's debating Andrew is losing the argument, they always resort to using his family against him?

05:17:16.460 What a pathetic move and low blow method.

05:17:18.540 They always will.

05:17:19.320 Listen, you can't even really blame them, right?

05:17:22.400 It doesn't matter who it is.

05:17:23.380 It doesn't matter if it's a world-class debater or not a world-class debater.

05:17:27.500 You actually can't really blame them.

05:17:30.160 What else is left to them?

05:17:32.780 And then even when I engage and ask for the hypocrisy, there's never any hypocrisy shown.

05:17:37.360 It's just a mischaracterization of my positions every single time.

05:17:41.680 Without fail, that is the case.

05:17:44.660 All right, George.

05:17:45.740 Thank you for that.

05:17:46.420 Appreciate it.

05:17:47.040 We have some super chats.

05:17:48.100 I'll just read the smug look.

05:17:49.020 Look on her face when told she's uneducated on the topic while she thinks,

05:17:53.180 Oh, but you don't know I took a class and paid $10,000 for someone to tell me about their favorite books and grade my homework.

05:18:00.180 That's from David Ross.

05:18:01.360 He also sent this.

05:18:03.300 Agnostic comes from know, meaning knowledge, and is a claim on truth.

05:18:08.460 Atheist is a claim on belief.

05:18:09.820 Agnostic means you don't know, but you'd know that if your master's degree was worth the loans.

05:18:15.060 But you'd know that if your master's degree was worth the loans.

05:18:18.100 Do you want a quick response to David Ross there?

05:18:19.840 I'm not an atheist.

05:18:22.620 I don't understand what his point is.

05:18:24.860 I said I'm agnostic.

05:18:26.360 I'm not an atheist.

05:18:27.360 I don't know what I believe in.

05:18:29.940 I know that I don't know when it comes to if there is a higher power.

05:18:33.540 I don't think that we would be able to comprehend it if there is one,

05:18:37.520 and I think that human interpretations of it would be paltry and inaccurate.

05:18:43.940 There you go.

05:18:44.540 There are my religious beliefs.

05:18:46.340 Chor XT donated $100.

05:18:49.080 So, Charlie's performance was so fucking pathetic,

05:18:52.800 because rather than preparing for the debate topic,

05:18:55.720 she spent all of her time prepping for personal attacks.

05:18:59.140 And we should pick your worldview.

05:19:00.680 I didn't actually prep at all for personal attacks.

05:19:06.260 That was something that I stumbled across on the Internet

05:19:09.320 when someone was arguing with your wife.

05:19:13.960 That was it.

05:19:14.760 It was happenstance.

05:19:16.660 It was a secret surprise.

05:19:18.780 And I went, oh, interesting.

05:19:22.400 Politics of personal destruction, innuendo.

05:19:24.820 Donated $100.

05:19:27.240 Chuck, this is why we voted for Trump.

05:19:29.720 Thank you for turning this native Angelino Republican in a sea of Democrats

05:19:34.760 in the heart of L.A.

05:19:35.860 Prop 50 is unconstitutional.

05:19:38.320 Coastal slash academia will eat ruined Carly.

05:19:42.040 Yeah, California used to be a great place to live when I was a kid.

05:19:44.660 I love California.

05:19:47.460 You would, but I don't love it anymore.

05:19:50.020 All right.

05:19:50.500 I voted yes on Prop 50.

05:19:52.860 I think it's great.

05:19:53.940 I think it's awesome.

05:19:55.020 All right.

05:19:58.840 Well, any final thoughts from either of you?

05:20:04.980 Yeah, I'll just say I still don't take any of this personally.

05:20:08.840 I never do.

05:20:10.180 But ultimately, that's all you were left with was just a sea of disparaging

05:20:16.100 personal attacks on people who weren't even here.

05:20:18.080 And for what?

05:20:19.500 Because I think your worldview is hypocritical.

05:20:22.180 I think that you are hypocritical.

05:20:22.580 Yeah, I know.

05:20:23.080 But can you just tell me what the hypocrisy is?

05:20:26.160 Do we want to do this?

05:20:27.320 I just want to know the one, if you had to reduce it, if you could just reduce it to

05:20:31.460 one thing.

05:20:32.920 One thing.

05:20:33.720 What's the actual hypocrisy that I espouse that I don't live or that I don't believe?

05:20:41.880 I think that the way that you espouse your worldviews and the way that you conduct your

05:20:49.220 streaming platform and debates, I do think that it encourages young men and women to essentially

05:20:58.560 hate each other, if you want to pass that to me.

05:21:00.280 That's not hypocrisy.

05:21:01.600 Again, but what I'm saying is that you are like conditioning young men to see women who

05:21:11.780 are less than perfect as partners they should never pursue, as disgusting, having a negative

05:21:16.060 When?

05:21:16.400 When do I do that?

05:21:17.840 I never do that.

05:21:19.160 I always have the nuance of the position.

05:21:22.080 The position, like...

05:21:24.400 Primarily what I see is cruelty.

05:21:26.520 To who?

05:21:26.960 Typically, like the young women that you debate with that are sex workers.

05:21:33.580 Why?

05:21:34.140 What do I say that's cruel?

05:21:35.660 About the things that they've done.

05:21:37.140 Their lifestyle.

05:21:38.480 Yeah.

05:21:39.100 Well, look.

05:21:39.640 The way that it paints them and ruins them.

05:21:40.380 It does.

05:21:41.180 Doesn't it?

05:21:42.540 Then how does your wife's content...

05:21:44.700 Is my wife a prostitute?

05:21:46.780 I think three baby daddies is pretty...

05:21:49.620 Is that a prostitute?

05:21:50.940 No, it's not the same thing.

05:21:51.600 No, it's not the same thing.

05:21:52.940 So why are you making the equivocation over and over and over again?

05:21:56.380 If I look at a sex worker and say, hey, little...

05:21:59.500 Your son one day is going to look up your pussy on the internet.

05:22:03.320 Do you think that that's the equivalent of saying, hey, you have stepbrothers?

05:22:08.480 Or your mom was married multiple?

05:22:10.460 Do you think that that's even in the same fucking universe?

05:22:13.620 And how is that shaming, pointing that out to them?

05:22:16.560 One day, these women's children are going to have people come over to them and say, hey, man, I jerked off to your mom's pussy.

05:22:26.220 Tell me I'm lying.

05:22:27.540 Tell me I'm saying something that's not true right now.

05:22:31.260 That they're going to jerk off to pictures of a kid's mom's pussy?

05:22:33.840 No, that these kids who are coming from these sex workers, after they're all done with their funnies, okay, are in school.

05:22:41.380 People are going to come over to them, and they're going to be like, hey, man, just to torture them, because kids are cruel.

05:22:48.580 And they'll say, hey, I just looked at your mom's vagina last night.

05:22:52.180 It was great.

05:22:52.860 I fapped to it.

05:22:54.180 Like, are you going to sit here really and pretend that that's not going to happen to these kids?

05:22:59.540 Because it is.

05:23:01.080 I mean, if you have a hot mom, that's already happening to you anyway, whether or not she does sex work.

05:23:05.380 Kids are coming up to you and saying, your mom is so hot.

05:23:07.780 If somebody comes over and says, your mom is hot, yeah, if somebody comes over and says, hey, your mom is hot, ha, ha, ha, ha, right?

05:23:17.200 I'm a banger.

05:23:17.960 I'm jerking off to her.

05:23:19.040 Yeah, even that is nothing like, look at your mom getting double penetrated, bro, ha, ha.

05:23:24.980 Do you understand the difference there?

05:23:26.820 It's gross.

05:23:27.900 Do you understand the difference?

05:23:29.360 I do think that, to me, those are both would be considered societally tainted and fallen.

05:23:38.940 One, maybe more so than the other.

05:23:40.640 No shit.

05:23:41.160 But I still think that it is.

05:23:42.760 Where's the hypocrisy then when I tell sex workers this truth, that that's going to happen?

05:23:47.860 Because you have forgiven your wife for her past actions.

05:23:53.860 No, no, no.

05:23:54.220 There was no forgiveness required here.

05:23:56.620 What do you mean?

05:23:57.080 What are you talking about doing a good thing or whatever, man?

05:24:00.380 Yeah.

05:24:00.640 Or you looked past her past or whatever.

05:24:02.860 No, never said that either.

05:24:05.140 All right.

05:24:05.560 What are you talking about, like, having those stepkids like it was a good thing that you did?

05:24:09.060 Wasn't it?

05:24:10.340 It's a neutral thing that you did.

05:24:11.500 Oh.

05:24:12.000 It's fine.

05:24:13.260 It's a neutral thing that I did.

05:24:14.760 Uh-huh.

05:24:15.120 Okay.

05:24:15.660 Got it.

05:24:16.240 And what would be the moral thing that I could have done instead of that?

05:24:19.300 Uh, you could not use your platform to shit all over women.

05:24:24.120 No, this was 20...

05:24:25.660 Look, this was, this was like almost 20 years ago before there was a platform.

05:24:30.480 Increasing the divide.

05:24:30.860 Oh my God.

05:24:31.560 You're so fucking retarded.

05:24:32.860 It's like impossible to have a conversation with.

05:24:35.060 I don't want to make these decisions, but I think that, you know, you should be, uh, clinging

05:24:38.980 before you, you know, throw stones or whatever.

05:24:42.200 Throw stones at who?

05:24:44.300 Women.

05:24:45.220 You mean sex workers?

05:24:46.720 People, trans people, sex workers, women that have had sex, women that have had abortions?

05:24:49.740 Uh-huh.

05:24:50.120 No, it's not women that have had sex.

05:24:52.500 Okay?

05:24:53.000 The idea is that you're still trying to move to...

05:24:55.260 Like, if I was a serial killer and I said it's bad to be a serial killer, am I a hypocrite?

05:25:00.500 Yeah, yeah, probably.

05:25:01.840 You're fucking...

05:25:02.620 It's just...

05:25:03.100 What a fucking tar.

05:25:03.800 All right, Brian, I'm done.

05:25:05.320 I'm good.

05:25:06.500 All right.

05:25:08.000 So, uh, Andrea, it's, it has gone long.

05:25:11.380 Uh, what we are going to do now, um, if you want to stay for it, you can.

05:25:17.020 We're going to do a roast session.

05:25:18.500 The chat.

05:25:19.100 Yeah, go ahead.

05:25:19.760 They're, they're begging for the roast.

05:25:21.760 I'll stay, I'll stay.

05:25:21.920 You'll stay for the roast?

05:25:22.720 Okay, so...

05:25:23.220 What is the roast?

05:25:24.240 Uh, people can send and roast.

05:25:25.180 They roast both of us.

05:25:25.800 They can roast me.

05:25:26.820 They can roast Mary back there, who's not even on the show.

05:25:29.100 They can roast you.

05:25:29.720 It's going to be, uh, just a great...

05:25:30.900 You know, I don't think it'll be that much towards you, to be honest.

05:25:33.240 You've...

05:25:33.760 Probably a lot towards me.

05:25:34.860 Um, yeah, you know, I think, Andrew...

05:25:36.240 So, uh, the debate's pretty much concluded.

05:25:39.140 Um, we're going to let those come in.

05:25:40.660 So, guys, $69 roast will go for, uh, 10, 15 minutes.

05:25:45.700 I got to get Andrew some food here.

05:25:47.020 I got to, we got to get him out of here.

05:25:48.420 Some, uh, pineapple pizza, pineapple pizza.

05:25:52.060 We got to get him something.

05:25:53.140 We got to get him something.

05:25:54.080 Ugh.

05:25:54.260 Um, for, for Charlie, we have some, um, uh, I have some applesauce in the refrigerator

05:26:02.620 if you want some applesauce.

05:26:04.500 Um, I'm good.

05:26:05.660 I, presumably, I'm leaving after this, correct?

05:26:07.900 Yes.

05:26:08.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

05:26:08.880 Of course.

05:26:09.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

05:26:09.820 Unless you were trying to purchase the In-N-Out for, for us.

05:26:15.420 No.

05:26:16.060 Oh.

05:26:16.340 You seem, like, very chivalrous, so I figured...

05:26:19.340 I am very chivalrous.

05:26:20.280 Yeah.

05:26:20.540 Women say so all the time.

05:26:22.140 Are you, so, what's your orientation?

05:26:23.620 Bye?

05:26:24.380 Bye.

05:26:24.700 Okay.

05:26:26.060 Is it true that you dated Hassan, though?

05:26:28.220 Is that, is that just a rumor?

05:26:29.180 No, God, I've never even talked to the guy.

05:26:31.020 That's...

05:26:31.300 You're in L.A., though.

05:26:32.060 Don't you move in his circles or whatever?

05:26:33.780 No.

05:26:34.140 Okay.

05:26:34.380 No, I don't know those people.

05:26:35.740 All right.

05:26:36.440 $69 TTS, get it in.

05:26:37.820 When you are donated $69, why is it that when a leftist loses a debate and or cannot make a valid

05:26:43.780 point that they immediately resort to personal attacks?

05:26:47.500 College educated?

05:26:48.480 What a fucking joke, Lamal.

05:26:50.900 Hey, Manor Devourer, remember when you were in my DMs sending me pictures of yourself,

05:26:55.880 begging me to show my former roommate, Palm B, to convince you, to convince her to date

05:27:01.860 you?

05:27:02.160 Do you remember that?

05:27:03.420 What?

05:27:04.840 Because I do.

05:27:06.540 Oh.

05:27:07.860 Hmm.

05:27:09.000 Wow.

05:27:10.460 Okay.

05:27:11.700 All right.

05:27:13.060 Wow.

05:27:14.120 Guys, streamlabs.com slash whatever, $69 roast.

05:27:17.880 Get them in.

05:27:18.620 Barrio Wisdom donated $69.

05:27:21.640 Uh-oh.

05:27:22.040 Chuck, PLS, take your Australian dollars and walk down for where OST on a Friday night.

05:27:28.360 And tell me, with all that pro-feminism has has ever fixed the problem here, I'm sorry for

05:27:33.920 the families that have to live there.

05:27:35.420 It's Pat's pasty, pasty George.

05:27:43.980 It seems to be your biggest fan.

05:27:47.200 He, he is.

05:27:48.740 Very enthusiastic.

05:27:49.700 Do you want to respond to the Figueroa Street comment?

05:27:52.520 I don't know what Figueroa Street is.

05:27:53.880 I'm just going to grab a beer.

05:27:55.340 Yeah.

05:27:55.560 Do you want champagne, by the way?

05:27:56.700 There's, there's a...

05:27:57.800 No, champagne.

05:27:58.500 Never makes beer at champagne.

05:27:59.740 Never?

05:28:00.120 Okay.

05:28:00.560 Never.

05:28:01.080 I'm not much of a drinker, you know, so.

05:28:03.760 There's some super chats that I'm going to read here.

05:28:05.880 Cole Marshall, let me sell you on my worldview, insults his wife.

05:28:10.640 And now you admit you just pulled it out because you were unprepared.

05:28:14.040 Do you want to respond to that, Charlie?

05:28:15.380 From Cole.

05:28:15.960 No, I said I did not prepare my, I said I did not prepare on the insults to his wife.

05:28:22.360 That was something that I stumbled upon.

05:28:24.240 Actually, I must admit, to be completely fair, we have debates going on all the way through

05:28:31.100 the 16th to debate con.

05:28:32.920 And this debate today was actually the only one I also didn't prepare for, to be totally

05:28:38.100 fair.

05:28:40.440 And I usually always prepare for debates, but not this one.

05:28:43.420 I just didn't think I needed to.

05:28:45.840 Well, you guys have debated before.

05:28:48.500 That's why I didn't think I needed to.

05:28:50.140 David Ross, agnostic means I'm not sure.

05:28:52.900 Atheist means I don't believe.

05:28:53.840 The purpose of a college education used to be to learn things.

05:28:56.680 Didn't we do this one?

05:28:58.040 Root words.

05:28:59.360 You know, yeah, Greek.

05:29:00.280 Greek, the point is that you're throwing around master's degrees apparently meaningless

05:29:04.040 from David Ross.

05:29:06.200 Thank you for the super chat, David Ross.

05:29:07.860 You have a response there?

05:29:09.080 I think it's a different one.

05:29:10.100 I still don't know what he's getting at.

05:29:11.300 I said agnostic.

05:29:15.180 It's, I don't, I'm not quite sure.

05:29:17.320 By the way, I was just curious.

05:29:18.160 You, you had mentioned earlier on in the debate, just as a curious question that you were on

05:29:21.400 testosterone.

05:29:22.460 I was just curious why.

05:29:23.280 Let's not get into that.

05:29:24.320 Were you a bodybuilder or?

05:29:25.760 No.

05:29:26.340 You were going to transition, weren't you?

05:29:29.000 Yeah.

05:29:29.840 Yeah.

05:29:31.220 You would have, honestly, like you would have been a hot dude.

05:29:34.520 I was.

05:29:35.800 I was a really, I was a beautiful little twink.

05:29:38.380 I was, I was gorgeous.

05:29:39.240 Oh, so you did sort of transition or?

05:29:42.360 Yeah, for 10 years.

05:29:43.600 Oh, 10 years.

05:29:44.180 I presented as a man.

05:29:45.280 Yeah.

05:29:45.820 What was your name that you?

05:29:47.860 Charlie.

05:29:48.320 Still Charlie?

05:29:48.800 I guess that's the benefit if you have a gender neutral name and you transition, like

05:29:54.560 that's kind of a perk.

05:29:56.120 My real name might not be Charlie.

05:29:58.280 Whoa.

05:29:58.780 Yeah.

05:29:59.040 You're right.

05:29:59.460 You know what?

05:29:59.820 Who knows?

05:30:00.440 She, you look like an, uh, Ethel.

05:30:08.000 Like Ethel Cain?

05:30:09.640 Did I mispronounce?

05:30:10.360 Yes.

05:30:11.120 Ethel Cain?

05:30:11.880 You, yeah.

05:30:12.600 Okay.

05:30:13.520 Sort of.

05:30:14.140 I don't know.

05:30:14.420 Um, Red Fox, Charlie, what is your economic framework?

05:30:17.480 Socialist, Marxist, capitalist?

05:30:19.180 Uh, socialist.

05:30:19.960 Socialist.

05:30:21.120 Socialist.

05:30:21.580 Got it.

05:30:22.080 Okay.

05:30:22.860 Guys, $69 roast.

05:30:24.300 Those were just some super chats.

05:30:25.700 Streamlabs.com slash whatever.

05:30:26.900 If you want to get some roasts in, we do have a few here.

05:30:30.720 Let's go with Char.

05:30:32.420 Thank you, man.

05:30:34.000 Char XT donated $69.

05:30:36.900 Every time I see Charlie debate, I start off thinking her worldview is dumb, but she's at

05:30:42.520 least being good faith.

05:30:44.420 And every fucking time she proves she's just the moral equivalent of human-shaped slime.

05:30:49.920 Just be nice to me and I'll be nice to you.

05:30:52.560 That's how it works.

05:30:53.440 If I feel insulted, I'm going to bite back.

05:30:57.160 Hmm.

05:30:58.140 All right.

05:30:58.760 Thank you, Char.

05:30:59.520 We have Flavius.

05:31:01.200 I, sorry, I can't pronounce the last part.

05:31:04.060 Flavius Assinus is donated $69.

05:31:07.880 This 304 pro-choice sophist had the eyes of Gollum.

05:31:11.840 Be aware, lads.

05:31:13.780 Hmm.

05:31:15.220 I have done Gollum cosplays multiple times.

05:31:19.400 I love Gollum.

05:31:21.640 Flavius, thank you for that.

05:31:24.520 Right.

05:31:25.000 Guys, if we'll do five more minutes or so of the roasts, a quick few final messages.

05:31:33.060 Guys, if you enjoyed the show and you want to learn how to become a master debater like

05:31:37.440 Andrew and a journeyman debater like Charlie, debate university.

05:31:43.060 Sorry.

05:31:44.240 I mean, it's bad.

05:31:45.220 I don't formally debate.

05:31:47.540 Right.

05:31:48.680 Debateuniversity.com.

05:31:49.920 Become a master debater.

05:31:52.180 Andrew's got a course on there.

05:31:54.020 There are fantastic lots of videos and he will teach you how to become the best master debater

05:32:00.540 there is.

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05:32:34.620 And then once again, $69 roast.

05:32:37.920 Well, I'll just read this one.

05:32:39.520 Send it through Streamlabs next time.

05:32:40.780 But thank you.

05:32:41.420 Ashes Rose.

05:32:42.180 I hope you realize how wrong you are, Charlie.

05:32:43.680 You're a confused, broken little boy girl or whatever you are.

05:32:47.620 You're wrong on every level.

05:32:48.940 Are you saying, are you saying I'm androgynous?

05:32:51.780 What are your pronouns, by the way?

05:32:53.100 I'm just, I should have asked that at the.

05:32:55.360 Whatever.

05:32:55.820 They them.

05:32:57.520 She, her.

05:32:58.260 I go by, yeah, she, whatever.

05:33:00.400 He, can I, you, you, you're fine with he?

05:33:02.940 Yeah.

05:33:03.740 But the thing is that I, you know, very much present as a, as a woman for my job.

05:33:09.980 Leave that guy alone.

05:33:11.560 Thank you.

05:33:12.700 Okay.

05:33:13.900 We have Pasty George here.

05:33:17.020 Oh, okay.

05:33:18.940 Pasty George donated $70.

05:33:23.640 Charlie, I don't know what else I can say to you other than you are one of the most fact-in-the-head feminists I have ever had the opportunity to listen to, but I do not hate you.

05:33:34.200 Yeah, you do.

05:33:34.660 If you wouldn't live next door to where you hate her.

05:33:38.800 Pasty George.

05:33:39.980 Thank you, man.

05:33:40.440 Appreciate it.

05:33:41.140 Paul donated $69.

05:33:48.100 Keep farming those fatherless men, Andrew, cheering for you, brother.

05:33:51.840 Crack another tall boy for your wife.

05:33:53.940 Yeah, we're going to need another one after tonight.

05:33:58.780 Paul, thank you.

05:33:59.740 We have Black here coming in.

05:34:04.700 Thank you.

05:34:05.440 Paul.

05:34:08.360 And then Black, there it is.

05:34:10.340 Bit of a delay.

05:34:10.800 Black donated $69.

05:34:13.240 Why is it that the entire time, Chucky has not made one intellectual rational argument?

05:34:18.340 It's just pure ambling and illogical fallacious statements.

05:34:22.980 I have a master's, but can't form a coherent, though.

05:34:28.340 I mean, to be fair, we did have the broadest topic.

05:34:32.040 We did have an incredibly broad topic.

05:34:34.840 And that's how, in my opinion, I would characterize both myself and Andrew.

05:34:44.100 No offense, but you're a great debater.

05:34:47.820 You are.

05:34:48.700 But this did feel rambly today.

05:34:52.180 For me.

05:34:52.560 Not for me.

05:34:53.620 Oh, for you.

05:34:54.160 I was just refuting whatever you said.

05:34:56.100 I gave you a lot of rope.

05:34:58.120 I wanted to make sure that you had a lot of rope.

05:35:00.560 Thank you.

05:35:01.360 Yeah.

05:35:01.620 You have a master's in...

05:35:04.620 In literature.

05:35:05.580 Fantasy literature.

05:35:06.740 Fantasy literature.

05:35:07.320 Like Tolkien.

05:35:08.260 Yes.

05:35:08.940 That was my research focus.

05:35:10.620 Would you, like, if...

05:35:11.980 Would you, like...

05:35:12.860 How old was Frodo?

05:35:15.280 When he left the Shire, he was in his 50s.

05:35:18.660 See, nobody ever knows that.

05:35:19.920 That's actually...

05:35:21.120 See, Chuck?

05:35:22.700 Now, that would have been great.

05:35:24.220 We could have really had an olive branch if it was the case that you knew that Frodo was

05:35:28.040 in his 50s by the time he left the Shire.

05:35:30.460 Almost nobody knew.

05:35:31.140 By the way, the audience, put one in the chat if you didn't know that.

05:35:34.620 Almost nobody...

05:35:35.280 Because Elijah, you know, as Elijah would, he plays him and he doesn't look 50, but he

05:35:38.760 was 50 when he left the fucking Shire.

05:35:41.200 Yeah.

05:35:41.540 There was a huge time period before they left.

05:35:45.380 Yeah.

05:35:45.700 A huge gap.

05:35:46.580 And in the movies, it was like that.

05:35:48.480 Three seconds.

05:35:49.440 Yeah.

05:35:50.160 I can talk Tolkien, who, by the way, hated feminism.

05:35:54.540 He's my hero.

05:35:55.620 I love him, but he hated feminism.

05:35:57.740 Well, but he also...

05:35:59.080 Hang on, hang on, though.

05:36:00.160 But he also loved Catholicism and Ilu Iluvatar was the entirety of what he was...

05:36:06.460 Do you know what he was conveying through Ilu Iluvatar and the great tree from the elven

05:36:11.420 lands?

05:36:12.040 Like, do you know what the correlation there was?

05:36:14.380 I mean, it is kind of...

05:36:15.720 The Silmarillion is kind of the Bible with elves in the sense that there is a grand creator.

05:36:21.040 All, you know, all actions are foretold and determined by Iluvatar.

05:36:25.900 We, you know, the people of Arda were simply...

05:36:28.780 Oh my God!

05:36:29.620 Who the hell...

05:36:31.040 You can spew Warcraft.

05:36:32.480 I can spew fucking Lord of the Rings, you fucker.

05:36:34.600 I can also spew Warcraft.

05:36:35.560 I was a huge...

05:36:36.220 I had all the books.

05:36:37.140 I have all the books.

05:36:38.000 I was just going to ask, like, so if you had been around in, like, the 1920s, like,

05:36:43.940 would you have, like, would you have tried to hook up with Tolkien?

05:36:49.580 Tolkien?

05:36:50.380 Tolkien?

05:36:50.900 Tolkien?

05:36:51.440 No!

05:36:52.680 He's your, like, favorite author and you wouldn't, like, at least give him, like...

05:36:55.680 He was a handsome young man.

05:36:57.440 No, he was, but he was very religious, deeply in love with his wife.

05:37:01.760 Hell, no!

05:37:02.540 Well, like, before he had the wife.

05:37:04.760 But they were, like, childhood from very young teenager.

05:37:09.160 I guess I would have to get in there.

05:37:09.860 Yeah, but if she had died of the pox...

05:37:12.380 No, God, no.

05:37:13.840 She had the pox.

05:37:14.900 She had the pox!

05:37:15.960 I was about to say bubonic plague, but that was definitely way better.

05:37:19.200 She had the pox.

05:37:20.000 A few centuries.

05:37:21.040 Yeah.

05:37:21.500 But, like, yeah, the wife's not in the picture.

05:37:24.160 The pox.

05:37:26.180 No, it's because it's...

05:37:28.060 No, he's...

05:37:30.360 He's British, right?

05:37:31.760 Yeah.

05:37:32.020 Yeah.

05:37:32.340 English.

05:37:32.700 Um, he's...

05:37:33.380 That's why the orcs all sound English.

05:37:35.060 Yeah.

05:37:35.680 Because they all were English.

05:37:36.920 Do you know the Scouse?

05:37:38.140 Like, the Scousers?

05:37:39.600 The what?

05:37:40.500 Scousers.

05:37:41.080 What is that?

05:37:42.220 Manchester.

05:37:42.940 Wait, no.

05:37:43.860 What?

05:37:45.240 Liverpool.

05:37:45.880 Liverpool, yeah.

05:37:46.600 Yeah, I got my...

05:37:47.860 Yeah, yeah.

05:37:48.640 Like, if you were a Scouser and he was just, like, I don't know, in Liverpool, like, would

05:37:52.700 you...

05:37:53.700 Would you, like, show him your ankles or something?

05:37:57.240 Um, no.

05:37:57.860 If Tolkien was alive today, I would, uh...

05:38:01.140 Hate him.

05:38:01.800 You would fucking hate him.

05:38:02.880 No, I would, um...

05:38:05.160 I would adore him, and I would probably, uh, attend all of his lectures and try to...

05:38:11.220 I'm unfortunately a teacher's pet, um...

05:38:14.600 So, I would just...

05:38:16.680 You wouldn't date him, though?

05:38:17.580 Like, think about the royalties.

05:38:19.060 No!

05:38:19.640 I don't care about the money.

05:38:21.080 Okay.

05:38:21.480 All right.

05:38:21.740 The estate, you know, but I...

05:38:23.960 I would just love to speak to him.

05:38:25.060 You realize that Tolkien would have fucking hated your worldview, like, with a passion.

05:38:29.080 I think that Tolkien would have had a lot of grace for me as a human being.

05:38:32.320 He did...

05:38:32.820 He was...

05:38:33.540 He did have a couple of, um...

05:38:35.820 Stop it.

05:38:37.120 Get some help.

05:38:38.760 He would have loathed...

05:38:40.200 Gay friends.

05:38:41.240 Loathed.

05:38:41.860 No.

05:38:43.160 No, no, no, no, no, no.

05:38:44.300 He did...

05:38:44.640 He was friends with, uh...

05:38:45.820 Oh, my God.

05:38:46.680 No, these are people who came out later and said, we were buddies, and then when it's investigated,

05:38:51.000 they're like, well, we're not really sure if they're actually buddies or not.

05:38:55.140 That's what...

05:38:55.760 That's, in fact, actually the case, isn't it?

05:38:58.180 With Tolkien?

05:38:58.680 Are you sure about those two?

05:38:59.660 I'm pretty confident.

05:39:01.100 So, Tolkien never commented on it, but I'm fairly certain that he...

05:39:04.380 The only thing he ever said about homosexuality was that at the age of 19, he had never heard

05:39:08.760 the word.

05:39:09.420 So, I think he probably did the kind of...

05:39:11.540 Not to say the typical Catholic thing, but also the typical Christian thing, but like,

05:39:15.380 hate the sin, love the sinner.

05:39:17.220 You know, I think that he just did it.

05:39:17.900 That's not a Christian doctrine.

05:39:19.000 It's not a Catholic doctrine.

05:39:21.000 Well, that's been my experience.

05:39:22.160 I know a lot of Christians that I hold in high regard, who, uh, even if they disagree

05:39:26.560 with...

05:39:27.940 Heretics.

05:39:28.640 You know, my lifestyle, they still, um, treat me with love and respect.

05:39:33.060 And I think that that's important.

05:39:33.800 Yeah, they treat you with enablement.

05:39:35.040 But the thing is...

05:39:35.640 Oh, sorry, sorry.

05:39:36.800 Mario Wisdom donated 69.

05:39:38.220 I can skip it.

05:39:39.140 I didn't mean to cut you off there.

05:39:40.560 Oh, I was just saying, like, look, uh, yeah, Tolkien, did you notice the distinct lack

05:39:48.220 of homosexual characters in all of his works?

05:39:51.860 All of them.

05:39:53.440 Not one.

05:39:55.060 Not one.

05:39:57.240 Just saying.

05:39:57.860 Oh, well, you weren't really allowed to write about those things back in the day.

05:40:00.820 Bullshit.

05:40:01.340 You were to.

05:40:01.980 I also don't think that he had...

05:40:03.220 You were to.

05:40:03.920 That's such bullshit.

05:40:04.920 So, I have a whole presentation on this, if you're ever interested in watching it.

05:40:08.300 Yeah, I'll watch it.

05:40:09.220 I'll tear it apart.

05:40:09.920 Look, I'm a big Tolkien fan myself.

05:40:11.820 My, the very first book that I ever read that was technically an adult book was The Hobbit.

05:40:16.400 Still my favorite book to this day.

05:40:18.180 I've read everything by Tolkien.

05:40:20.040 And, you know, I love the guy's work.

05:40:22.960 And the entirety of the imagery that he was conveying was Christian imagery.

05:40:27.520 And he drew on all of the most horrific virtues of mankind.

05:40:32.480 And he personified them in the races that he created.

05:40:36.560 That's what Iluvatar was doing.

05:40:38.920 And that's, I mean, Gandalf was an angel.

05:40:41.860 Like, all of this was around the idea of Christian ethics.

05:40:47.320 The entire tale was about Christian ethics.

05:40:49.460 And it was about how small people can do great things with the grace of God.

05:40:53.620 And how they can be selected and have angelic protection.

05:40:56.240 That's what Gandalf was.

05:40:57.520 Yes, it was about uplifting the abject.

05:40:59.620 No, it wasn't just about uplifting the abject.

05:41:01.540 It was about the fact, you know, central.

05:41:03.880 Aragorn was a powerful man.

05:41:05.560 And he came into what was his righteous, the thing that righteously belonged to him through the pathway of kings.

05:41:12.060 Like, this was not a, oh, it was just about the little guy who was fighting his way up.

05:41:16.540 The man was aristocracy.

05:41:18.160 And you were supposed to have faith that the aristocracy was good.

05:41:21.580 But even if it was the case that they were thrown out by an order of impostors like Denethor, you were still allowed to go take what was your natural birthright.

05:41:30.860 And the kings weren't bad and evil.

05:41:32.800 If I recall correctly, I do believe that, I can't remember which ancestor of Aragorn's abdicated the throne.

05:41:38.300 But I believe it was willingly, and that's when the stewards of Gondor were put up.

05:41:42.260 Mind you, Denethor was incredibly, you know, corrupt, absolutely.

05:41:47.820 And, you know, it's a victim of his own pride.

05:41:50.760 No, well, he was under the control of the ring.

05:41:56.340 He was under control of Sauron.

05:41:58.260 Well, yeah, through the palantir.

05:41:59.760 But I think that Aragorn's, an important part of Aragorn's journey is, do you remember the scene where Faramir and Eowyn are laying in the houses of healing?

05:42:09.280 And the elderly woman gives him kingsweed, I believe.

05:42:15.620 Kingsfoil.

05:42:16.840 Kingswhat?

05:42:17.820 Kingsfoil?

05:42:18.440 Yeah, Kingsfoil.

05:42:19.040 You have your master's degree in, sorry, so sorry.

05:42:22.820 So, my memory is bad.

05:42:23.960 I feel like she should know this.

05:42:25.400 It's Kingsfoil.

05:42:26.180 You should know this if you have your master's in, like, Tolkien or whatever.

05:42:29.660 Forgetting that it was Kingsfoil instead of Kingsfoil?

05:42:31.860 I mean, that's, you have a master's degree.

05:42:35.000 Forgetting the name of a leaf.

05:42:38.080 I didn't forget the name, and I'm a casual fan.

05:42:40.560 I'm just pointing that out.

05:42:41.840 Casual fan.

05:42:42.520 Casual fan.

05:42:43.140 I hate to break it to you, but the, Tolkien's body of work, most of it was published posthumously, and everything is, like, different versions of the various stories.

05:42:56.960 The Silmarillion is a cobbled together, loose cannon of the various drafts by Christopher, that Christopher Tolkien put together.

05:43:05.960 His son.

05:43:06.440 When you spend a lot of time having to pour through, I mean, my God, the unfinished tales, the histories, the Silmarillion, it gets bogged down in your head, especially when you consider that every freaking character has three different names.

05:43:24.080 Some of them only mentioned once.

05:43:25.920 Do you know how hard it is to keep track of those names?

05:43:28.020 That's because he wrote a new language.

05:43:29.040 He was a philologist, yes.

05:43:30.020 Yes, but that's because he wrote a new language.

05:43:31.420 But the thing is, it's like, none of that has anything to do with any, ultimately, the entirety of the story of the Lord of the Rings, and the Hobbit being the first in the series, ultimately, I consider it not even a trilogy, right?

05:43:43.700 You don't even get the proper context without the Hobbit.

05:43:46.360 And so the thing is, it's like, the entire thing was an indictment on the social order of communism and socialism and the uplifting of Christian ethics over all other ethical systems.

05:43:59.080 100% that was the case.

05:44:01.020 I think Tolkien would say that he hates allegory and that you're allowed to interpret his works however you like.

05:44:06.860 That would be allegorical.

05:44:07.880 But to, he's not, he doesn't like allegory.

05:44:11.480 Yeah, but what you just said was allegorical.

05:44:13.960 What do you mean?

05:44:14.400 Well, so you're saying that you can interpret his works as being allegory, right?

05:44:21.060 I think if the author explicitly says it's not allegory, and you do so anyway, I mean, there's some workaround with, like, death of the author that you can go with that.

05:44:30.020 But I think that labeling Lord of the Rings as allegorical.

05:44:34.320 He literally said he got the entire idea from his faith.

05:44:38.120 It was drawn on his faith.

05:44:39.600 I would love to see your references.

05:44:40.720 And by the way, not only that, the Catholic Church, right?

05:44:43.380 He wrote it due to his love of languages.

05:44:46.120 That was love of inspiration.

05:44:46.460 No, he wanted to create mythologies.

05:44:48.880 He wrote a story on the basis of the languages that he created.

05:44:51.260 He wanted to create mythologies.

05:44:53.780 That's what he wanted, mythologies, which would encapture Christian ethics in a way that Western nations could understand.

05:45:00.660 That's what he said himself.

05:45:01.880 And yes, I do.

05:45:02.540 I have Christopher Tolkien's footnotes.

05:45:04.320 He wrote tons of footnotes.

05:45:05.820 Yes, I am well aware of the footnotes that he wrote.

05:45:09.720 I assure you.

05:45:11.820 Anyway, but my point is, if I forget the name of King's Foil, forgive me.

05:45:18.520 I don't know if I can forgive you, like you have a master's degree.

05:45:22.600 Sorry.

05:45:22.880 After California reduced enforcement laws...

05:45:25.500 Wait, do you want to stone me in the streets?

05:45:27.720 Yes, actually.

05:45:28.460 Stone me in the streets for forgetting that it was King's Foil.

05:45:31.400 My bad.

05:45:34.320 Okay.

05:45:34.780 After California reduced enforcement laws in 2022...

05:45:37.280 Sorry, we were talking a little bit.

05:45:38.800 Street solicitation increased.

05:45:41.020 You want to respond to that?

05:45:43.820 I didn't even finish this.

05:45:44.400 I don't even know what it was about Figaro Street.

05:45:46.520 Okay, I'll put it up again.

05:45:47.800 Do you think I should watch?

05:45:49.340 Walk Figaro Street?

05:45:50.500 ...donated $69.

05:45:51.940 Yes.

05:45:52.760 You're in LA, right?

05:45:53.280 ...Fuello Street is known as an open prostitution track.

05:45:57.080 After California reduced enforcement laws in 2022, street solicitation increased.

05:46:03.700 This is a policy failure, not a moral mystery.

05:46:10.140 Okay.

05:46:12.060 Okay.

05:46:14.780 Lana donated $69.

05:46:17.640 Mary is scary looking.

05:46:19.400 She's not.

05:46:20.840 Who's Mary?

05:46:21.800 Is that a Tolkien Lord of the Rings character?

05:46:24.520 Isn't that Mary?

05:46:25.620 Yeah.

05:46:25.900 Oh.

05:46:26.900 The girl who works for me.

05:46:28.880 Uh-huh.

05:46:29.700 Oh, I thought it was like a character in...

05:46:32.240 No!

05:46:33.500 ...in the Lord of the Rings.

05:46:36.120 No!

05:46:36.780 Or the Hobbit or something?

05:46:38.200 I don't know.

05:46:38.600 It's a character in the Bible, Brian.

05:46:40.180 It is.

05:46:40.760 Well, yeah, but I mean, why would you say that about her?

05:46:43.780 Um, Dane Snyder.

05:46:46.100 I'm 54 years old.

05:46:46.940 My father was a 1% outlaw biker.

05:46:49.440 My stepfather was a sailor and not nearly the man Andrew is, but I was blessed to have him.

05:46:53.660 Andrew, go to your hotel room.

05:46:55.300 Think of what a great man you are and forget about this shrew.

05:46:58.700 You're there, man.

05:46:59.820 She's a beach.

05:47:00.920 Dane Snyder.

05:47:06.040 Thank you, Dane Snyder.

05:47:07.140 Hey, do not disparage the great name of Dane Snyder.

05:47:10.300 Dane Snyder.

05:47:11.460 We have Airborne Animal.

05:47:18.200 Airborne Animal donated $69.

05:47:20.520 You can see how lost and unhappy Charlie is by her cold, dead doll eyes.

05:47:26.560 She lashes out to spread the poison to everyone around her.

05:47:29.720 Probably more than just words in her relationships.

05:47:33.760 Stats don't lie.

05:47:37.040 My dead doll eyes.

05:47:41.500 How long are you taking tea, by the way?

05:47:44.900 Approximately six months.

05:47:46.760 Six months.

05:47:47.920 Yeah.

05:47:48.480 And you got so muscular that you didn't know what to do with yourself?

05:47:51.200 I got really freaking buff.

05:47:53.040 It was awesome.

05:47:54.800 I heard that in female bodybuilders,

05:47:59.660 the certain organs.

05:48:02.040 The clitoris?

05:48:03.020 The gigantic.

05:48:07.080 He's going to ask you if you've got a big clit, Charlie.

05:48:09.400 That's what he's asking.

05:48:10.520 That would not be appropriate.

05:48:11.820 But that's what you were asking.

05:48:12.920 That would not be appropriate.

05:48:14.720 I don't.

05:48:15.500 I don't.

05:48:16.640 I just.

05:48:18.200 Is that a compliment for it?

05:48:19.560 You know, like big dick energy, like big clit energy.

05:48:23.740 You know what?

05:48:24.300 To be honest.

05:48:24.780 I don't think so.

05:48:25.480 It didn't actually.

05:48:28.640 It's still.

05:48:29.780 I think just if I had been born male, I would have had a micropenis.

05:48:35.600 So mine is still normal looking.

05:48:37.540 And it is.

05:48:38.320 I'm sad every single day about it that I didn't get a bigger one.

05:48:41.700 It makes me so mad.

05:48:45.240 God denied me.

05:48:46.580 What was my due?

05:48:47.480 Thank you.

05:48:48.240 You're welcome.

05:48:48.700 Now you know.

05:48:50.180 Thank you.

05:48:51.460 She's so broken inside, donated $69.

05:48:55.340 Amazing how Chuck has a 10 body count yet uses it as a pejorative against Andrew's wife.

05:49:01.120 Almost like it's a Freudian slip knowing it's morally reprehensible to be a rainbow's.

05:49:06.140 Multiply it by three and that's the real number.

05:49:08.440 It's always.

05:49:08.840 Look, it's always the case.

05:49:10.520 I'm sorry.

05:49:11.480 I haven't had sex with more than 10 men.

05:49:13.780 I don't know what to tell you.

05:49:16.760 How many?

05:49:18.220 She said 10.

05:49:19.680 I'm going to have to count.

05:49:20.860 I don't keep track.

05:49:21.360 You date women too, right?

05:49:22.360 Yeah, but they don't consider that intercourse.

05:49:24.360 That's a body count.

05:49:25.100 And I would also.

05:49:25.660 That's a body for sure.

05:49:26.920 What's the.

05:49:27.880 I feel.

05:49:28.420 You kind of strike me at like.

05:49:29.940 I feel like you have.

05:49:31.140 At least with the women.

05:49:32.080 I don't know about the men.

05:49:33.400 Like you have game.

05:49:35.280 Like you've smashed like probably like all kinds of hos in Hollywood.

05:49:39.820 No.

05:49:40.680 Like you've just rizzed up all these.

05:49:43.200 No.

05:49:43.900 Oh, sorry.

05:49:44.420 Like Long Beach is more your.

05:49:46.420 None of them.

05:49:47.080 I'm like a dweeb, dude.

05:49:49.460 What do you mean?

05:49:50.300 Lesbians aren't.

05:49:50.900 Women like that.

05:49:52.220 Women like the nerdy thing.

05:49:53.540 They do actually.

05:49:53.560 They love that.

05:49:54.360 They love that.

05:49:55.840 I'd have to count.

05:49:57.480 You have.

05:49:58.180 Yeah.

05:49:58.680 Yeah.

05:49:58.820 You probably.

05:49:59.420 But it's not that much.

05:50:00.640 Like I'm not.

05:50:01.520 You probably killed it in LA.

05:50:04.580 You killed it.

05:50:05.000 Hey, Chuck.

05:50:05.680 Did you happen to trip and fall into the DM circle of vipers that includes Hillary Crowder?

05:50:10.160 Good question.

05:50:11.240 Have you ever had any communication with Hillary Crowder, Chuck?

05:50:14.140 No.

05:50:14.760 Would you lie?

05:50:16.600 No.

05:50:16.880 I've never spoken to Hillary Crowder.

05:50:18.660 Would you lie?

05:50:19.460 I didn't even remember the name of the dude.

05:50:21.860 That's true.

05:50:22.380 That's a good point.

05:50:22.740 All I remember is that he was the no-fault divorce guy.

05:50:24.320 And I was like, oh, didn't that guy abuse his wife?

05:50:27.340 I didn't realize he was a personal friend.

05:50:28.900 I thought he was a politician guy.

05:50:32.580 Steven Crowder?

05:50:34.460 You thought he was a politician?

05:50:35.620 No, no, no.

05:50:36.080 Not a politician.

05:50:37.020 But like a political talking head dude that not in the circles that I run in.

05:50:43.740 You realize that those are people, though.

05:50:46.220 They're people.

05:50:47.000 Like I'm here in front of you.

05:50:48.060 You know I'm a human being.

05:50:49.260 So is Crowder.

05:50:50.720 Like, do you think it's terrible to say those horrible things about him that just aren't true?

05:50:55.660 Shouldn't you at least say the horrible things that you think are true?

05:50:59.000 Or that you know are true?

05:51:00.300 I thought it was true.

05:51:03.920 Pasty George here.

05:51:04.940 Thank you, Matt.

05:51:05.620 Pasty George donated $70.

05:51:09.540 Pasty.

05:51:10.020 I was wondering why Charlie was a bit chunky and had a funny shape.

05:51:14.400 Too much testosterone ruins a woman's body.

05:51:17.740 Mental illness strikes again.

05:51:22.420 Well, I haven't been on T since first time was 2016.

05:51:27.200 Second time was 2021.

05:51:29.220 But I'll have you know that my waist-to-hip ratio is 0.71.

05:51:34.840 I'm just wearing a baggy shirt.

05:51:36.720 I don't know what to tell you, man.

05:51:39.720 Okay.

05:51:40.120 Not that it matters.

05:51:41.040 Not that it would even matter if I was fat.

05:51:43.020 Okay.

05:51:43.620 Okay.

05:51:45.900 By the...

05:51:46.720 Sorry.

05:51:48.500 Barrier wisdom donated $69.

05:51:51.840 Chuck has been roasted enough.

05:51:53.620 So I'll roast Brixen.

05:51:55.740 Brixen, you need to try harder.

05:51:58.080 You got fat, bro.

05:51:59.420 Come on a run with me tomorrow morning 4 a.m.

05:52:02.260 No regrets.

05:52:02.780 No regrets.

05:52:04.400 Semper Fi.

05:52:04.880 Hey, I've been losing some weight.

05:52:06.940 No, no, no.

05:52:07.440 I've been losing some weight.

05:52:09.140 Yeah, looking trim.

05:52:10.580 I've been losing...

05:52:11.340 It's looking good.

05:52:11.500 I don't know about you.

05:52:12.840 Hey, I'm surprised you didn't say anything, Andrew.

05:52:15.920 I've lost like 10 pounds since last time I signed you.

05:52:18.380 That is true.

05:52:18.900 You have lost a little weight.

05:52:19.760 I mean, it's true.

05:52:20.580 Thank you, Andrew.

05:52:21.640 Thank you.

05:52:21.880 Appreciate it.

05:52:22.240 That's true.

05:52:22.760 Yeah, but Charlie, are you going to join us in our weight loss?

05:52:26.060 We should all join Weight Watchers together.

05:52:28.020 There's nothing wrong with being fat, though.

05:52:31.100 You heard Charlie.

05:52:32.680 Well, I mean, like, how would...

05:52:33.680 If I was fat, how would that be relevant to the...

05:52:37.020 I mean, it wouldn't be ultimately relevant to any debate points.

05:52:41.580 Yeah.

05:52:41.740 Unless the debate point was, you know, like, around, I don't know, fatness, I guess.

05:52:48.380 Yeah.

05:52:51.680 Airborne animal donated $69.

05:52:53.920 You can see how lost and unhappy Charlie is by her cold, dead doll eyes.

05:52:59.260 Did it?

05:52:59.880 My dead doll eyes.

05:53:00.080 She lashes out to spread the poison to everyone around her.

05:53:03.520 Probably more than just words in her relationships.

05:53:07.120 Stats don't lie.

05:53:09.120 Hmm.

05:53:10.040 Airborne animal.

05:53:10.900 Thank you for the roast.

05:53:11.820 Do you have a response to him?

05:53:14.000 Uh, I'm very happy.

05:53:16.640 Okay.

05:53:17.140 I'm the happiest I've been in my entire life.

05:53:20.140 Actually.

05:53:21.080 As the sexual born as?

05:53:22.600 You know, like in this moment right now.

05:53:24.380 No.

05:53:25.320 Just hanging out with Brian Allison and Andrew Wilson.

05:53:28.420 Just you, Brian.

05:53:29.580 That's all I ever wanted was to hang out with you.

05:53:33.920 But you're the happiest you've ever been as the sex you were born as.

05:53:36.620 The what?

05:53:37.300 You're the happiest you've ever been as the sex you were born as.

05:53:41.680 Hmm.

05:53:42.200 Well, I mean, isn't that what I'm doing right now?

05:53:44.740 Yeah.

05:53:44.900 Are you the sex you were born as?

05:53:46.400 Yeah.

05:53:46.660 Am I not doing that right now?

05:53:48.060 Was the sex you were born as female?

05:53:49.560 Yes.

05:53:49.960 Oh, okay.

05:53:50.620 Well, then, yeah.

05:53:51.000 Do you think, this is why it's so hard to talk about detransition stuff.

05:53:54.880 People don't get the, they don't get it.

05:53:59.760 I'm FTMTF.

05:54:02.120 I get it.

05:54:04.580 I do understand.

05:54:05.560 Pasty George donated $70.

05:54:13.320 One thing that confuses me, Charlie was for the phony COVID pre-tendemic, its lockdowns, and taking away people's rights, yet is against anti-abortion laws and deportation of illegal criminals.

05:54:25.940 But that's freedom.

05:54:26.640 I don't get it, I don't get it, I don't get it, honestly, Pasty George is right, like, I don't get it.

05:54:34.420 That's okay.

05:54:35.520 You don't have to get it.

05:54:36.300 I'm sure you've argued with this about people that are much better debaters than I am, and you still hold the view that you do, so I don't know if I'm going to change your mind on it.

05:54:49.760 No, I was willing to listen.

05:54:50.920 We have this.

05:54:56.240 Bluffest.

05:54:56.720 Bluffest donated $69.

05:54:59.660 Andrew, why is it that no one can ever explain to me how there can possibly be a gender pay gap?

05:55:05.380 If gender is a social construct, and I'm assured it is not real, because I can identify however I feel.

05:55:11.700 Well, what they would say is, they would say, well, the leftist would say,

05:55:15.160 Yes, but based on that social construct, there's pre-existing conditionals, which then inform people's views, and when they're informed on those views, it creates institutional biases, and it's due to those biases that they believe that if you present as a woman, and you're convincing enough, that you're less capable than a man.

05:55:33.860 Literally, I'm not kidding, that's your fucking argument.

05:55:35.560 Ask Charlie if you think I'm wrong.

05:55:36.840 That would be their argument.

05:55:39.460 On the gender pay gap?

05:55:40.800 No, that nobody could ever demonstrate it to him, because gender is a social construct.

05:55:49.000 I don't think gender being a social construct really impacts the pay gap wages.

05:55:54.440 I mean, I guess in the sense that, Lord have mercy.

05:55:58.080 I was warned to not discuss anything trans-related or gender theory, so I think I'm actually going to stick with that.

05:56:04.260 Who gave you all these warnings?

05:56:05.360 Yeah, wait, who warned you?

05:56:07.540 People have done this before.

05:56:08.620 Who were trying to not make sure I don't fuck up and look like an idiot.

05:56:13.660 Well, they failed at that, but who were they?

05:56:17.200 I don't want to say in case people get mad at them.

05:56:19.920 Well, I'm not going to get mad at them, I'm just curious.

05:56:21.360 They gave me polite advice, which was don't bring it to trans stuff, pick out your definitions.

05:56:27.660 Who?

05:56:29.860 People have done this before.

05:56:31.080 Yeah, but who?

05:56:31.580 People have done debates with you.

05:56:32.520 Who?

05:56:34.360 Come on, tell me, I'm curious.

05:56:36.380 Pixie?

05:56:37.380 No.

05:56:37.680 Not Pixie?

05:56:39.400 No.

05:56:39.880 Who done it?

05:56:42.300 Not going to say.

05:56:43.640 Intel Wild says Trump 2028.

05:56:47.040 What do you think?

05:56:47.600 Are you...

05:56:48.360 Go Trump 2028!

05:56:50.920 Would you vote for Trump?

05:56:53.680 No.

05:56:54.280 Oh, okay.

05:56:54.860 No.

05:56:55.540 Would you be willing to put on a MAGA hat right now?

05:56:57.900 No.

05:56:58.420 Okay, just wanted to ask.

05:57:00.820 No.

05:57:01.180 Jay says, all right, Chuck.

05:57:04.040 Doesn't seem to understand what a promiscuous person is.

05:57:05.920 Give your definition and try to apply to Rachel.

05:57:08.400 Actually, I'm curious about this myself.

05:57:11.400 Oh, Lord have mercy.

05:57:12.860 This gets into a bit of classism here on my part.

05:57:17.280 So, it feels like the, again, this is on the basis of, if we're going by optics, having children with three men, I think would look like to people like you are someone that sleeps around.

05:57:44.220 Even if you aren't, that is what people will see when they look at you.

05:57:50.140 Whereas a woman who is promiscuous but never has a child because of it, she is essentially getting out scotch-free.

05:57:57.800 Yeah, but do you see what you did there?

05:58:00.220 You used the word concept fallacy.

05:58:01.640 So, you said, based on societal structures, because most women who have many children with multiple men are promiscuous, the construct is that the viewpoint will be that you are too.

05:58:14.900 I actually agree with that.

05:58:16.220 Rachel told you that when she was on the phone.

05:58:18.120 Of course, she agrees with that too.

05:58:19.600 Oh, sorry.

05:58:20.020 I thought that was mine.

05:58:20.800 But the question, but the word concept fallacy came in when you said, but, even though the optics are this way, it's, yeah.

05:58:29.280 Do you want a new, my bad?

05:58:31.800 Can I get a new cup, please?

05:58:33.360 Can I get a new cup?

05:58:34.440 Am I that gross?

05:58:35.520 No, it's really nothing.

05:58:37.300 Andrew, do you remember that one time where, a little bit.

05:58:40.900 I have it too.

05:58:42.400 We have so much in common.

05:58:44.360 We have, don't, what?

05:58:47.460 Sorry.

05:58:48.040 Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

05:58:51.860 All right, wait, wait, there's a few more coming through.

05:58:53.660 We have, this guy says he doesn't know you, the man, man drover thing, come in here in just a moment.

05:59:01.280 Is it going to, what?

05:59:03.560 There it is.

05:59:04.100 Sorry for the delay.

05:59:05.680 Man devour donated $69.

05:59:08.400 I don't recall ever being in your DMs for anything, but since you brought it up, would you hook me up with Palm B?

05:59:15.940 Anyone that wouldn't want that is blind as rainbows.

05:59:19.240 Fair enough.

05:59:19.860 I could be remembering the wrong person.

05:59:24.880 You've done that a lot tonight.

05:59:26.800 Remembered the wrong situation with the wrong people.

05:59:29.360 I mean, I'm not going to lie.

05:59:30.480 My word recall, name recall is poor.

05:59:35.420 It's getting worse too.

05:59:38.640 Mary donated $69.

05:59:41.360 Hi, Mary here.

05:59:43.480 Lana, I don't know you.

05:59:45.060 So maybe I could be fucking scary to you.

05:59:47.460 Did you like see her in the reflection or something?

05:59:50.380 I don't know.

05:59:51.320 Wow.

05:59:51.820 Mary catching strays.

05:59:54.000 Always.

05:59:55.780 Thank you for that, Mary.

05:59:58.400 We have Bluffest here.

06:00:01.260 Final call, guys.

06:00:02.240 We're going to wrap.

06:00:03.680 Bluffest donated $69.

06:00:05.720 Andrew, I understand the fluid nature of gender.

06:00:10.100 For quite some time, I gained the perspective only people like me have when I lived as a man trapped in a woman's body.

06:00:16.920 But then I was born.

06:00:18.200 The fact you don't think that, that's such a clever joke and you don't get it.

06:00:29.320 What would you like to explain it to me?

06:00:32.120 Yeah.

06:00:33.440 He said he was a man trapped in a woman's body until he was born.

06:00:38.940 Okay.

06:00:40.060 Pregnancy.

06:00:41.780 Gotcha.

06:00:43.860 I'm getting another beer.

06:00:44.940 Well, I'm leaving shortly, so.

06:00:48.620 Yeah.

06:00:49.300 As soon as Andrew comes back, as soon as Andrew comes back, we'll wrap the show.

06:00:53.180 So, guys, that's the final call for the roast.

06:00:55.080 We're wrapped in three, four, five minutes.

06:00:57.740 Oh, he's quick.

06:00:58.720 He's already got it.

06:00:59.940 Crack it open, Andrew.

06:01:01.740 All right, guys.

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06:01:43.060 Charlie actually tried to sell Mary some methamphetamine or something before the show.

06:01:48.940 So we're going to be posting that.

06:01:50.140 Just kidding.

06:01:50.640 She didn't do that.

06:01:51.300 She doesn't deal in methamphetamine.

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06:02:15.740 Okay.

06:02:16.020 We have Chaw here.

06:02:17.220 Who gets the final word from the roasters?

06:02:21.040 Who's going to get the final word?

06:02:22.340 It looks like we have three coming in.

06:02:26.040 Chaw XD donated $69.

06:02:29.020 It's kind of funny in an ironic way, Andrew, that just days ago, a real red pill is the same

06:02:34.500 personal attack against you to make almost the same argument Charlie did.

06:02:39.120 I guess he is a progressive.

06:02:40.400 I remember I called that guy a male feminist.

06:02:43.320 It was the same exact shit.

06:02:45.380 Ironic to me that she says I'm a red pillar when a red pillar was just attacking me with

06:02:49.900 the same fucking argument you were.

06:02:51.820 It's like the ultimate in irony.

06:02:56.360 Thank you, Chaw, for that.

06:02:57.580 We have...

06:03:00.720 I can fix her donated $69.

06:03:04.000 Let's be honest, brothers.

06:03:05.400 You all would still hit cheese high key bad for real for real on God.

06:03:09.360 Also, Chuck, collab with Sneeko.

06:03:13.700 What?

06:03:16.140 Do you want to respond?

06:03:18.000 Okay.

06:03:18.280 What do you say to that?

06:03:20.160 Huh?

06:03:20.500 You going to collab with Sneeko?

06:03:21.820 No.

06:03:22.840 He's pretty...

06:03:23.480 Like, he's a super nice guy to hang out with in person.

06:03:27.840 Honestly.

06:03:28.520 Like, I've hung out with the guy.

06:03:29.840 I've gone shooting with him and stuff, and he was a super nice guy.

06:03:33.220 It's more like I try not to attract attention from the wrong kinds of crowds, which is the

06:03:39.720 opposite.

06:03:40.240 But he just swore off red pill.

06:03:41.640 He just said red pill was dead.

06:03:43.480 Okay.

06:03:44.140 I feel like a lot of people who make streaming their entire life, and that's all that they

06:03:49.340 do, are kind of scary.

06:03:52.200 Oh.

06:03:52.680 And I...

06:03:53.300 Aren't you a full-time Twitch streamer?

06:03:56.640 Yes, but I make sure that I have a rich life outside of Twitch streaming.

06:04:01.220 But not Sneeko.

06:04:01.980 There's no way Sneeko could ever do that.

06:04:03.440 Like, if you're streaming, like, eight hours a day, every day.

06:04:05.620 You know what I mean?

06:04:06.360 Like, I feel like...

06:04:06.920 He doesn't do that.

06:04:07.760 Okay, my bad.

06:04:09.140 All right.

06:04:09.580 We have, uh...

06:04:10.620 This might be Pasty George.

06:04:12.160 Mike, a final word.

06:04:13.140 Pasty George donated $70.

06:04:15.280 Charlie, I am annoyed by you and disagree with your views.

06:04:18.600 But at least you dress decently and do not look like a hooker, so I'll give you that.

06:04:23.780 Depends on which stream of hers you're watching.

06:04:25.340 Did you do that intentionally?

06:04:29.400 Like, I'm coming on the Whatever podcast, so you're gonna dress more modestly, or...?

06:04:33.520 Whenever I do debates, I try to dress more modestly, just because I feel like the attention

06:04:39.460 should be on the debate and not my body.

06:04:44.480 I mean, you could have just, like, done, like, a Lord of the Rings cosplay or something.

06:04:48.680 I could have, but I also just really like dressing in a way that's comfortable for me.

06:04:54.340 Okay, fair.

06:04:55.120 Because I dress the way I do on my stream.

06:04:57.360 That's not my day-to-day life, how I dress.

06:05:01.000 Good times, good times.

06:05:02.080 All right.

06:05:02.300 Oh, we've got Intel Wild here.

06:05:04.340 Intel Wild donated $69.

06:05:06.420 Thank you, man.

06:05:07.020 Appreciate it.

06:05:07.560 Chuck is an ugly, disgusting, soulless, blue-haired, woke kuma gremlin.

06:05:13.340 Oh.

06:05:14.580 Wow.

06:05:15.060 I think Intel Wild might be colorblind.

06:05:27.540 Your hair is brown.

06:05:29.320 That is...

06:05:30.780 Oh.

06:05:32.300 Roros donated $69.

06:05:36.720 Roros donated $69.

06:05:37.760 Hypocrite trying to unicorn shame a woman who was only being with men she has married.

06:05:42.820 How anti-women and then you hate men and wanted to be one.

06:05:46.620 You need help.

06:05:47.500 Maybe it was just all the years I spent trying to be a man that made me such a vile misogynist.

06:05:54.540 Well, usually the...

06:05:58.000 Well, usually it's the opposite.

06:06:00.980 Like, usually when women LARP as men, they end up becoming much more or much closer to the MRAs and men's rights advocacy groups when they actually have to live like one.

06:06:13.660 At least that's the experience of the reporters who go in and...

06:06:18.080 I mean, yes, that is...

06:06:19.840 I mean, we could have had a very long conversation about that because I do have feelings on my lived experience with that.

06:06:29.660 Well, I don't know what it taught you.

06:06:32.500 Did you fully transition?

06:06:35.160 Like...

06:06:35.800 I don't have a penis.

06:06:37.520 No, I mean, like social transition.

06:06:39.880 So, like, did you dress up as a man?

06:06:41.940 And at work, I went by he, him in college at home.

06:06:44.780 Did you experience...

06:06:47.780 Do you feel you have more privilege as a woman?

06:06:53.120 I will say that it feels...

06:06:55.780 Men are less inclined to want to, like, beat me up now, which is nice.

06:07:05.700 And I have discovered that sometimes men will purchase you beverages, which was not something I was...

06:07:15.040 I previously enjoyed.

06:07:18.900 However, I...

06:07:20.820 It could be because Twitch streaming was kind of how I started presenting as a woman.

06:07:28.840 And so, to me, in my brain, it is tied up with, like, objectification and feelings of discomfort versus feelings of safety.

06:07:39.400 So, it depends.

06:07:41.800 You get free things sometimes as a lady, less so as a man.

06:07:46.260 Dana Snyder donated $69.

06:07:48.900 Thank you, Dan.

06:07:49.240 I wish I'd have had a stepfather like Andrew to mentor me into manhood.

06:07:54.140 After tonight, you can't make me turn on you.

06:07:56.580 Your display of manhood here has been perfect.

06:07:59.580 I'm your friend now, no matter what.

06:08:05.980 I just want to say the accusations that my audience is, like, a bunch of incels or whatever.

06:08:10.660 You see this fucking Giga Chad Isaac Vanderbilt?

06:08:13.160 This guy's a fucking red-haired fucking god.

06:08:16.640 And I bet he just got done...

06:08:19.000 Like, he literally, he just got done having sex with a woman, and then he's like...

06:08:22.640 Wanted to take a photo?

06:08:24.240 Become a member.

06:08:25.160 I'm sorry, Brian.

06:08:26.060 Become a member of the whatever podcast.

06:08:28.020 I didn't want you to catch us, Dre.

06:08:29.700 I apologize.

06:08:31.140 I was very offended.

06:08:32.740 I could tell.

06:08:33.380 I was really offended.

06:08:34.320 I'm really sorry.

06:08:34.920 My blood was boiling here.

06:08:36.220 I know.

06:08:36.760 I know.

06:08:37.180 I could see.

06:08:37.980 I believe we're all...

06:08:40.340 That's...

06:08:42.140 Let me just...

06:08:42.780 I want to be fair.

06:08:44.840 Well, I don't want to screw anybody over.

06:08:46.560 Okay, so I'll give my outro.

06:08:49.540 Guys, in terms of our stream schedule here,

06:08:52.640 Andrew is here.

06:08:54.460 I just got to let them know the schedule.

06:08:57.560 Andrew is here.

06:08:58.780 You're such a grueling bro.

06:09:00.400 It's so bad.

06:09:02.800 Andrew is here tomorrow, Sunday.

06:09:05.560 Dating talk.

06:09:07.820 Fingers crossed.

06:09:09.140 You know, there's issues with flights and travel and stuff.

06:09:14.040 We have some...

06:09:15.380 We've got Amaranth tomorrow.

06:09:16.740 We have a female bodybuilder.

06:09:18.840 More testosterone than Charlie took, let me tell you.

06:09:21.080 We have some other interesting guests for the dating talk panel tomorrow.

06:09:25.820 It's going to be a very good...

06:09:26.880 It might be the biggest dating talk panel of the year.

06:09:30.020 Monday, round two with Naima.

06:09:32.620 Naima?

06:09:33.120 How do you say it?

06:09:33.860 Naima?

06:09:34.360 I don't know.

06:09:35.300 Round two with her.

06:09:36.360 That's going to be a fantastic debate.

06:09:38.600 So be sure to tune in for that.

06:09:41.500 All right.

06:09:41.800 These came through, so I got to...

06:09:43.080 I can't be a...

06:09:43.740 Bluff is donated $69.

06:09:46.800 Brixen, do you know the main difference between Christianity and Judaism?

06:09:51.700 I think it is that Jesus saves, but Moses invests.

06:09:57.900 Okay.

06:09:58.480 All right.

06:09:59.900 I didn't know that, but thank you.

06:10:02.340 Shut it down!

06:10:04.320 Shut it down!

06:10:05.500 Thank you, Bluffest.

06:10:06.580 And then we have Dane Snyder.

06:10:10.300 Love Dane.

06:10:11.140 Is he going to get the...

06:10:11.780 He might get the final word.

06:10:13.840 Dana Snyder donated $69.

06:10:16.980 Andrew, after tonight, you can't get rid of me.

06:10:20.280 I raised all five of my kids.

06:10:22.960 If I hadn't, you'd be my choice to raise all four of my sons and my daughter.

06:10:27.500 I don't know if that's helpful or not, but I...

06:10:29.900 Dane, it's nice always to see you.

06:10:32.080 I think that was a nice sentiment, but it comes across a little...

06:10:36.580 A little what?

06:10:39.160 Well, don't worry.

06:10:40.100 One day...

06:10:40.660 You know...

06:10:41.480 Like, one day when you have children of your own, you'll think,

06:10:44.180 What happens if I expire?

06:10:47.420 That's what you'll think.

06:10:49.900 It'll happen.

06:10:51.500 And hopefully you set up a will for if you do.

06:10:54.860 Andrew, if, like, some 15-year-old who caught a crypto pump,

06:10:58.440 and he's got, like, $50 million,

06:11:01.220 if he tried to...

06:11:03.480 He wanted you to be his dad for, like, three years,

06:11:06.580 and he was like, I'll give you 10 mil, would you...

06:11:08.100 No.

06:11:10.860 20 mil?

06:11:11.540 No.

06:11:12.660 All of the...

06:11:13.260 No.

06:11:13.740 Okay.

06:11:14.260 No.

06:11:15.260 Okay.

06:11:17.040 Sorry, anybody in the chat.

06:11:18.960 Okay.

06:11:19.480 That's a...

06:11:20.160 That's some maladjusted shit.

06:11:22.320 Yeah.

06:11:22.480 That's...

06:11:23.080 I wouldn't do that either.

06:11:25.040 The border donated $69.

06:11:27.440 The point was how you don't see the irony of trying to shame Rachel

06:11:31.400 by saying baby daddy in a degrading tone

06:11:34.060 when you have a 20-years-old slept with 20 times

06:11:37.280 the amount of people hypocrite anti-women.

06:11:39.660 20 times?

06:11:47.340 That is certainly not the amount of people I've slept with.

06:11:50.380 Let me be clear.

06:11:51.340 I haven't stated the amount of people I've slept with.

06:11:55.340 What is the amount of people you slept with?

06:11:57.640 I would literally have to count, and I would have to...

06:12:01.180 Give me an estimate.

06:12:04.620 Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.

06:12:06.180 What's the actual estimate of the total...

06:12:08.340 Do you want me to count...

06:12:10.040 Women and men.

06:12:10.780 Women.

06:12:11.140 Yes.

06:12:12.620 Even when I'm using the strap?

06:12:14.280 Yeah.

06:12:14.720 On men?

06:12:15.700 Yes.

06:12:16.880 Strap?

06:12:17.400 Yeah.

06:12:17.620 If you're fucking men up the ass, yes.

06:12:30.420 Are you, like, tallying?

06:12:31.820 I'm tallying.

06:12:32.740 Yeah, let her tally.

06:12:33.680 I'm thinking with my brain right now.

06:12:36.180 Oops.

06:12:38.360 Just, like, a rough estimate.

06:12:39.880 She is tallying there.

06:12:41.220 Here, I'll move that so you guys can see.

06:12:43.460 Probably still can't see, but...

06:12:49.540 Hmm.

06:12:52.000 Let's see.

06:12:52.680 Well, if you feel sorry for me, if you go to my Twitch page, there's a donate button, which you can send money.

06:13:18.920 You can send me money on the internet if you feel really bad for me.

06:13:22.320 What's the tally?

06:13:22.740 What's the tally?

06:13:23.420 What's the tally?

06:13:24.180 I lost...

06:13:25.580 It looks like 12.

06:13:26.500 We're over 12 right now, but I have to think back.

06:13:29.040 Do you have a...

06:13:31.920 Should I ask?

06:13:33.800 What?

06:13:35.200 Do you...

06:13:35.620 Do you prefer Annie's or Audie's on a woman?

06:13:41.540 Like, I only date women with Audie's, large labia.

06:13:45.940 Are you joking?

06:13:52.180 Are you joking?

06:13:52.840 Or are you trying to bro out right now?

06:13:54.460 Like, what's going on?

06:13:55.480 Like, what is the...

06:13:57.180 You are my bro.

06:13:58.740 Okay.

06:13:59.140 You don't believe in BLM, huh?

06:14:00.920 You are...

06:14:01.260 No, I am.

06:14:02.000 I'm B...

06:14:02.480 I am BLM.

06:14:03.040 You are BLM, right?

06:14:04.300 Yes, I am.

06:14:05.040 BLM.

06:14:05.440 Hashtag BLM.

06:14:06.440 I am.

06:14:06.860 We are bro-ing out Charlie Brown.

06:14:10.700 Okay.

06:14:11.560 Charlie Brown.

06:14:13.180 Okay.

06:14:14.620 What about estimate?

06:14:16.040 A fair estimate is about 15.

06:14:19.060 Rachel Wilson says, I'm no longer insulted this person.

06:14:21.740 That this person hates me.

06:14:23.320 I'd be worried if she didn't.

06:14:24.800 Yeah.

06:14:27.240 Would you like to take a moment to apologize to the evil things you said to Rachel?

06:14:33.160 Um...

06:14:36.220 Look deep into that camera.

06:14:38.060 Look...

06:14:38.540 No.

06:14:39.220 Not the TV.

06:14:40.080 Look...

06:14:40.340 That camera right there.

06:14:41.760 Look deep into that camera and give a heartfelt apology.

06:14:47.340 I can't.

06:14:49.160 Makes sense.

06:14:51.140 Wow.

06:14:51.380 I would feel like a pussy if I went back on it because I said it with my chest.

06:14:56.640 So I'm very sorry about the abuse that you suffered.

06:15:00.560 And I do apologize for bringing, um, any, that up.

06:15:06.420 Any traumatic memories, perhaps.

06:15:08.860 He didn't seem to care at the time.

06:15:11.180 Bluff is donated $69.

06:15:13.940 $10 million to raise a child.

06:15:16.460 It only costs $3 a week to feed, clothe, and educate a child in Africa.

06:15:22.300 It really makes you think.

06:15:24.220 Especially considering how much it costs to send them there.

06:15:30.560 Bluffes, thank you very much for the roast there.

06:15:34.160 It's not funny, Bluffes.

06:15:37.420 All right, guys.

06:15:38.380 Like the video if you enjoyed the stream.

06:15:41.380 I want to say GG.

06:15:42.600 Well played.

06:15:43.620 To both of you.

06:15:44.520 Guys, last call.

06:15:45.260 Hit the like button, please, on your way out.

06:15:47.160 Also, please leave a nice comment once the live ends.

06:15:50.860 It helps with the algorithm.

06:15:52.280 I read them.

06:15:54.900 And it's just a nice little way to top off the stream.

06:15:59.920 Thank you, everyone, for tuning in tonight.

06:16:01.720 You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with us.

06:16:05.280 We appreciate that.

06:16:06.540 Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.

06:16:10.440 We are going to be live again tomorrow, Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.

06:16:13.380 Dating talk with Andrew Wilson.

06:16:14.620 And then Monday, approximately 3 p.m. Pacific for a debate.

06:16:20.600 And here, Pasty George, thank you for the soup chat, man.

06:16:23.600 Appreciate it.

06:16:24.040 Appreciate it.

06:16:24.500 Thank you, Pasty George.

06:16:25.360 Thank you.

06:16:25.680 Thank you.

06:16:26.420 Let me just make sure I'm not screwing anyone ever.

06:16:28.460 Nope.

06:16:28.880 We look good.

06:16:31.720 Let me just double check.

06:16:33.880 All right.

06:16:34.240 We're all good.

06:16:34.860 Any final thoughts from you guys, or are we good to wrap?

06:16:36.880 Good to wrap.

06:16:38.080 Charlie, good.

06:16:38.820 I want to say that when we started talking about Tolkien, I almost apologized for saying something about your wife.

06:16:42.940 I don't care.

06:16:43.360 Shut up, bitch.

06:16:43.820 Go ahead.

06:16:44.680 Go ahead.

06:16:45.220 Wrap it.

06:16:45.880 Never mind.

06:16:46.120 Go ahead and wrap it.

06:16:46.820 But then you were wrong about Tolkien.

06:16:49.420 All right, guys.

06:16:50.240 So no apologies.

06:16:52.820 Let's see.

06:16:54.300 Did we do the one about the dead eyes?

06:16:58.300 We got it.

06:16:58.740 Did that one come in just once?

06:16:59.600 We got it.

06:17:00.020 I think we could do that maybe like a third time.

06:17:01.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:17:02.380 All right, guys.

06:17:03.240 07's in the chat.

06:17:04.040 Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.

06:17:05.320 We will see you tomorrow, 5 p.m. Pacific.

06:17:07.940 Thank you, Charlie.

06:17:08.740 Thank you, Andrew.

06:17:10.020 Hope you guys have a good night.

06:17:14.460 Bye.

06:17:18.960 See you tomorrow.

06:17:19.920 Bye.

06:17:22.920 Bye.

06:17:23.100 Bye.

06:17:26.960 Bye.

06:17:31.280 Bye.

06:17:32.460 Bye.

06:17:32.480 Bye.

06:17:33.200 Bye.

06:17:33.500 Bye.

06:17:34.000 Bye.

Whatever Podcast - November 12, 2025

Andrew Wilson vs. Charlie (Feminist, Leftist) ｜ Rachel Wilson CRASHES Show？! ｜ Whatever Debates #22

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