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00:01:07.820 necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel or myself so without further ado we're just

00:01:15.600 going to jump right in we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so andrew why don't you

00:01:22.260 start off yeah my name is andrew wilson host the crucible it's the fastest growing debate channel to

00:01:28.760 my knowledge anywhere on youtube um i'm a political satirist i do political commentary and i also do

00:01:36.460 blood sport debates my name is renee um i'm currently a second year student at uc santa barbara and i'm a

00:01:45.480 political science major all right welcome to the both of you good to have you back in studio thank

00:01:51.660 you for coming appreciate it thank you for having me yeah and uh we did have you on the dating talk

00:01:57.480 was it on sunday yes was it okay and that was a uh that was i think that was one of our best shows

00:02:04.540 that we've had you on andrew that was a good show it was a very good show can't say the same about

00:02:08.720 last one the last one but we're not gonna get into that but um got a lot of positive feedback on that

00:02:16.300 show though the last one okay so i think a good place to start off with for this conversation you

00:02:22.740 guys did tend to disagree quite a bit during the uh dating talk podcast so i think we ought to start

00:02:29.940 start there um what do you guys disagree on

00:02:35.580 would you like to start well let's let's start with what informs your worldview

00:02:44.500 okay what informs my worldview yeah so if you're if you're doing a debate a debate is going to be

00:02:55.380 informed in your positions by what the worldview is the prism in which you're looking through

00:02:59.880 so that this would be the eyeglasses you're zooming in on in order to see the world so for

00:03:04.880 you you know maybe it's um a utility i'm just throwing these out by the way maybe it's a

00:03:10.780 utilitarian framework or maybe it's a religious framework or maybe it's uh you know you see

00:03:16.020 everything through a secular framework or you know there there's all sorts of different worldviews

00:03:20.660 which can be applied i just wanted to kind of see what yours might be i'd say i hold multiple

00:03:26.800 overlapping worldviews at once um can i ask you the same question yeah but let's what's what's

00:03:33.240 your worldview and i'll get into mine right after you um i don't really think i can give a comprehensive

00:03:40.800 statement on my full worldview i'd say um based on the terms that you were throwing around um

00:03:47.940 i wouldn't classify myself exactly as this but i'd say i generally do prioritize utilitarianism or you

00:03:55.740 maximize utility for all the people in a society and does that operate off of a harm principle yes

00:04:01.520 okay and so harm is utility so if you're using the harm principle uh just real quick can you just tell me

00:04:09.300 what kind of like generally consider harm the harm principle dictates that um you the government should

00:04:15.960 only prevent people from doing something if it is going to inflict physical harm on another person

00:04:20.780 that's mill john seward mills harm principle yeah but i mean so that's mill but i mean bentham

00:04:30.020 also was part of utilitarianism so bentham had a hedonic calculator and so what he would do is he would say

00:04:38.800 you know x amount of harm uh based on uh not maximizing pleasure so another way of saying it'd

00:04:45.700 be like maybe suffering if you're not maximizing pleasure then that's some form of suffering so i'm

00:04:50.860 just i just want to get you know the specifics yeah but i i'm i wouldn't you're you're pointing me

00:04:56.460 towards hedonism right kind of sort of i wouldn't say that i prescribe particularly to um bentham's um

00:05:04.220 idea of the harm principle okay it's more so just mills and i wouldn't even say i fully agree with

00:05:10.520 um the harm principle being used as the only um like uh backing for laws but okay i i think as it

00:05:21.000 stands today that's like generally accepted especially in the american conception of rights

00:05:26.980 harm yeah harm principle i think leads a lot of it okay and so you're specifically talking about

00:05:34.140 governing and you're saying from this perspective government can only do things which stop physical

00:05:41.780 harm from being perpetrated on somebody else no i didn't say that um they can they can do a lot of

00:05:49.380 other things i was saying usually when it comes to conceptualizing laws rights liberties etc whatever

00:05:54.980 you want to call them um it's on the basis not of um how much you're helping someone it's on the

00:06:02.740 basis of whether or not you're going to harm someone physically and if your action can harm someone

00:06:08.660 physically then it will be it uh they'll enforce the law upon you so that how does this differ from

00:06:16.440 utilitarian or a libertarianism with like the non-aggression principle the non-aggression principle

00:06:22.720 i'm not familiar it's uh just saying that uh your rights end where you could possibly be doing

00:06:30.020 something bad to somebody else or fringing on their rights uh i i don't have a full

00:06:36.660 knowledge on that but it's just like you can't let me see if i can frame this better um

00:06:42.700 so the non-aggression principle would be nobody has the right to be aggressive to anybody else

00:06:51.920 okay they can't aggress in a physical way okay or interject themselves in a physical way and if they

00:06:57.940 do then you can respond in a defensive manner but you're not allowed to aggress and so it just

00:07:03.880 sounds like when we're saying harm physical harm when you're talking about governing it kind of

00:07:08.880 sounds like a non-aggression style principle i i thought that it was i thought that i was under

00:07:16.180 the impression it was the same thing basically the two things you just described non-aggression

00:07:20.360 well they're in opposition they're in opposition to each other because harm can be defined

00:07:25.340 external just harm or physical harm so for instance um you can have policy discriminatory

00:07:31.760 policy but there's no physical harm in mill's conception he only is referring to physical harm

00:07:36.320 i believe okay you know i get it but this is i was just explaining the difference between

00:07:41.220 the non-aggression principle being in opposition to utilitarianism that's all so i was just asking

00:07:47.460 just asking if they sound similar to you or or what so you see your worldview is utilitarian

00:07:53.540 and harm um yeah i'd also say um i'm rather individual individualistic on priorities on like enlightenment

00:08:04.640 ideals individual choice kind of thing okay so john lock stuff um in the context of the the discussion

00:08:16.820 regarding gender yes all right cool all right so my worldview is nothing nothing nothing oh my worldview

00:08:30.420 is christian ethics and my political persuasion would be something that would be akin to christian

00:08:35.460 populism sometimes this is referred to by the left as christian nationalism but there's a lot of

00:08:40.620 conflation so um christian nationalism can mean a hundred different things okay christian populism just

00:08:48.200 is stating emphatically that there needs to be some kind of grounding morality for the governed and that

00:08:54.740 that can't operate within a secular framework very well and so you appear appeal to something which is

00:09:01.000 arbitrary and ends up being far too individualistic so essentially that would be the summarization of the

00:09:07.620 position okay do you have like any questions that you want to ask on that so you get the worldview down

00:09:12.820 um let's see so that uh what distinguishes your view from christian fundamentalism well i'm not sure

00:09:25.180 what christian fundamentalism is uh oh well i guess i'm i'm not too sure either i mean like uh that

00:09:33.500 generally just like maybe i'm incorrect about what it is but what i thought it was was like um

00:09:39.220 basically just the belief that the government should be completely ruled on the basis of uh scripture

00:09:44.800 no that's so the orthodox belief belief that my worldview ascribes to is that there should be what's called

00:09:53.900 symfonia or a synergy between the church and the state meaning that the secularists you would believe in a line

00:10:02.900 dividing the church and the state church is over there doing its thing states over here doing its

00:10:07.340 thing they're separate entities symfonia would say that it's just fine to have religion informed politics

00:10:14.040 um and in fact we probably should have religion informed politics and that having church churches

00:10:20.620 involved politically is not a bad thing at all how do you decide which church informs politics

00:10:27.800 well whether we would make the distinction of which specific church let's just say i want it to be

00:10:36.000 the orthodox church or they want it to be this church the fundamental question starts with

00:10:41.320 should any church or should a collection of churches or should there be or should there be

00:10:46.720 allowed to be any kind of religious foundation when it comes to governing and i don't see a big problem

00:10:52.740 with it you don't see a problem with religious foundations for governing governing what what

00:10:59.680 what about when different religious groups are within one nation what about when different secular

00:11:06.220 groups are um i mean which religion would the whole state ascribe to which secular belief does the

00:11:12.020 whole state subscribe to uh it's based on a democratic process of voting i mean it's not a but there's

00:11:18.580 secular interest groups right so all of them are vying for power they're still secularists and they

00:11:24.080 all have different beliefs maybe some believe in secular humanism maybe some believe in you know

00:11:29.640 some other form of uh you know maybe satanism which is a secular belief there's all sorts of different

00:11:35.000 secular beliefs which exist that people can ascribe to can one hold multiple secular beliefs with

00:11:41.920 different interest groups sure can one hold multiple religious beliefs beyond different religions

00:11:48.040 across different religions sure all right can one do that sure should one do that i'm not so sure

00:11:54.900 that's a different question all right so yeah so anyway so that's my position uh but maybe we can start

00:12:04.400 with the idea because this was an easy one that you threw out there of gender and we can compete

00:12:09.900 and i think you'll get a better feel for my worldview me for yours based on that conversation so

00:12:14.480 we're talking about trans rights things like that where do you stand there trans rights oh that's an

00:12:19.880 interesting one to jump in first um i don't avoid that oh okay we're staying away from that yeah

00:12:29.640 okay uh can we talk about gender at all or no we can i mean we can just i guess stay clear of it

00:12:39.260 um oh i want to talk about gender um let's see i was gonna ask you what the basis of your

00:12:47.680 distinction between the fundamental differences of men and women women are besides physicality

00:12:54.700 you mean besides by biological yeah they're ontological uh biological yeah besides biological

00:13:03.500 so you said besides physicality right yes so that yeah so i would appeal to ontology and say there's

00:13:09.220 an ontological distinction between men and women and a biological distinction between men and women

00:13:13.360 can you describe that ontological distinction yeah so ontology is just like being right it's just like

00:13:18.860 the state of being what is being what is you know what is that and um i would say that when you

00:13:28.400 especially when you're looking at reproduction and when you're looking at the different ways that

00:13:34.360 women behave regardless of the societies in which they're in that there is definitely a thing which

00:13:39.520 makes a woman a woman distinctly from a man so they're not interchangeable widgets in other words

00:13:45.820 that's how i would view it

00:13:47.320 okay so um what what makes you believe that one of those is more fit to lead than the other

00:14:01.460 okay well that's a conflation of gender of gender versus sex but if you're talking about

00:14:07.720 what makes you think men should be able to lead over women what what do you think personally makes

00:14:13.360 them more capable of leading than a woman well it's not even capability though that would come

00:14:17.960 into it it's it comes down to a matter of force so men have a monopoly on force so they can take

00:14:23.860 away rights and they can give rights but women can't take away rights and women can't give rights

00:14:28.840 only men can do that and you're saying the monopoly of force is based purely on physicality and

00:14:33.200 biology well yeah i mean when you're talking about you mean physical attributes yes yeah yeah so

00:14:42.560 yes men are far stronger have larger skeletons etc etc so essentially they're the dominant sex for

00:14:50.840 that reason have you ever met a female police officer sure would you say that she has the same

00:14:57.240 ability to enforce the law as a male police officer no why not they both have guns wouldn't you say a

00:15:02.300 gun is an equalizer sometimes unless the man also has a gun and then it's unequal again so the problem

00:15:09.000 is is um even then you still run into other problems too which is um when men can apply physical

00:15:18.360 force up close and personal guns become useless and we see this all the time when male police officers

00:15:24.980 end up in engagements with women and men they seem to be able to handle those engagements fairly well

00:15:30.620 those sometimes are overpowered by men women on the other hand have a much harder time handling

00:15:36.520 physical engagements and they can't always just move right to their to their gun right they're

00:15:41.740 supposed to control a situation external that that's the last resort you don't want to go straight for

00:15:47.120 the straight for the handgun but unfortunately they can be surprised very quickly so even during a

00:15:52.760 traffic stop something like this they don't have nearly the ability to defend themselves that men do

00:15:57.320 for sure and the standards get lowered in fact so that they can even get a job as a as a cop so

00:16:03.780 oh interesting take there um the first thing i noticed you said was that a man with a gun and

00:16:10.240 a woman with a gun would not be equal that's correct um personally i would say that i disagree with that

00:16:16.360 because it's about the maximum amount of force they can exert at each other if they're both standing a

00:16:21.420 foot away from each other and the most powerful thing they can do is shoot the gun then they both

00:16:24.620 have the same maximum amount of power you could argue that a man is more physically capable when

00:16:29.380 if they're hand-to-hand combat thing but you could also argue okay what about a five five

00:16:36.100 100 pound man with a gun next to a six foot 200 pound woman with a gun have you ever used a handgun

00:16:42.180 um no but i just asked you a question yeah no but and i'm gonna answer it i promise have you ever

00:16:50.100 used a rifle no i've never used any kind of gun no okay they're complex machines and they require

00:16:56.480 physical strength to use well if they're not it's not like the movies where you just point it a

00:17:02.240 direction you pull the trigger and the bullet magically hits the target uh guys diving on the

00:17:07.400 table and he's doing this number you know what i mean he's spinning around with the handguns pulling

00:17:11.440 the trigger and everybody's dying that doesn't map onto reality guns use blowback and they're not easy

00:17:18.980 to wield not for for men competently or women takes practice but men are much better able to control

00:17:26.020 recoil they're much better able to control the actions on guns they're much better able to reload

00:17:31.500 their physical strength means a great deal even in action reloading speed it means a great deal

00:17:36.080 so they're still at an advantage even if you're both harmed so do you think women deserve a right to own

00:17:41.960 a gun yeah you just expressed to me that you believe woman would women would be more incompetent

00:17:48.780 as compared to a man when it comes to learning how to expertly handle a gun

00:17:53.260 so wouldn't you see that as like a safety concern or no okay okay would there not also be discrepancies

00:18:02.740 among among men though comparing one man to another too yeah okay yeah but i mean i just i don't really

00:18:09.900 understand that which is why his point doesn't make any sense at all because he just admitted that

00:18:14.420 anyone can be bad at using a gun or good at using a gun yeah we're just talking about averages so if

00:18:19.260 you're if you're physically stronger than somebody's physically weaker you're going to be more prone to

00:18:24.160 be able to use a gun well than the person who's physically weaker that's just the truth it requires

00:18:30.280 physical strength to utilize it it's like think of it like um it's not a direct one-to-one but it'd be

00:18:36.520 like wielding a sledgehammer would you say somebody who's stronger would be probably better than

00:18:41.980 somebody's weaker wielding a sledgehammer even though that's not always going to be the case

00:18:45.260 that one is pulling a trigger and receiving the pushback and one of them is actually wielding

00:18:51.900 with force behind it well it's not one is loading a spring-loaded magazine that has significant amounts

00:18:57.140 of pressure behind it it's under pressure because it has a spring my you're dealing with a gas-operated

00:19:02.160 blowback weapon so not only are you dealing with the recoil but you also have to realign your shots

00:19:08.280 and you have to do uh all of this within a matter of seconds reloading same thing when it comes to

00:19:14.520 muscle memory and it i mean physical strength for rifles even is a massive deal just clearing a jam

00:19:21.580 inside of a gas-operated weapon can require significant strength because you can have

00:19:27.140 shell expansion so it's just like over and over physical strength definitely matters and it also

00:19:32.160 matters to how much ammunition you can carry okay so if there's a bunch of shorter weaker men what is

00:19:42.060 stopping the military from conscripting taller stronger women who would like play for the wnba

00:19:46.780 or something they could then you just prove that women can enforce rights as well no then what you

00:19:54.240 would still end up with men enforcing rights it would be men who would enable those women to go after

00:19:59.660 those short dorky weak men or whatever well how are the men enabling the women if the women can also

00:20:06.260 bring up arms how you you said the men are enabling them to use the guns yeah well men build all the

00:20:14.800 guns and the military is staffed by men who run it so those men would be enabling those women to then

00:20:22.620 get armed and be huge and whatever they already did that when they invented guns no they didn't do that

00:20:28.800 inventing guns didn't create an instant equalizer between men and women with force because both men and

00:20:34.240 women can use guns and men use them better than women your argument for why men deserve more rights

00:20:42.740 than women is because men can use guns better than women can when did i argue that uh correct me if i'm

00:20:50.660 wrong then yeah you're wrong i didn't argue that wasn't my argument alter what i just said to fit your

00:20:55.700 argument what happened was and this what i got in my notes you said but can't women just use guns

00:21:02.840 as an equalization to force and then i went into the reasons why that's not actually force equalization

00:21:08.880 how on earth you attributed that to that's my argument for why men should have the right to vote

00:21:16.140 and women shouldn't i have no idea i don't know where you came up with that oh sorry i was kind of

00:21:21.140 assuming based off of the last podcast what would you say then is the reason why well let's stay away

00:21:26.820 from the right to vote for for now okay we'll come back to it for reasons right that we discussed

00:21:33.900 we'll come back to it um and let's instead just look at force equalization okay meaning who enforces

00:21:42.540 whom's rights do you think that it's equal between men and women rights enforcement um i don't think men

00:21:49.760 or women um enforce rights i think institutions enforce rights well so men and women give away

00:21:56.580 or they concede things to allow that institution to have power over them when they enter social

00:22:02.540 construct with the contract with the government does a room have power or do people have power

00:22:09.720 people in institutions have power so then it's still people who have the power the institution is

00:22:15.200 what is allowing them to enact their power yeah but who gives the institution the authority to do

00:22:19.780 that also the people so then it's just people who have the power through institutions yeah but

00:22:26.060 institutions have no autonomy no consciousness no nothing that would just be people are the

00:22:31.780 institution right so you have an institution so you would say you have as much power as the president

00:22:36.780 of the united states of america right now no i would say that uh not even close his power was given to

00:22:43.780 him by the institutions that make up the american government no his power was given to him by the

00:22:48.700 people and who created the institutions yeah they that's true but they're the ones who empower it

00:22:54.760 and the same thing with the military protecting it the institution itself has no power absent people is my

00:22:59.700 point so it's just it really just comes down to people so if you were to say between men and women

00:23:05.340 which sex do you think uh enforces rights would you say it's more along males or more along

00:23:13.500 females i'd say it's both yeah but more or is it exactly equal you think there's really no

00:23:20.980 delineation um because of the nature of the citizen and the state relationship uh both all citizens in a

00:23:32.640 society are equally giving up their rights to for the purpose of the government to say okay we'll protect

00:23:40.560 these rights if you give up certain other rights so i'd say i don't i don't actually know what you're

00:23:48.000 saying right now okay let me let me try and rephrase that a little bit better okay i don't think it's

00:23:53.240 unequal as to who enforces the rights okay i'd say men and women enforce them equally because they both

00:24:01.080 have to give up some of their rights in order to live in the society that enforces the rights which

00:24:06.200 rights do they have to give up um well i couldn't pull out a gun and shoot you right now could i

00:24:11.000 do you think you do you think that that's a right not a right but well don't you not think rights

00:24:18.080 exist anyway um i mean whether i do or i don't i that still wouldn't have anything to do with a

00:24:24.300 previous statement of you gave up your right to you're giving up free will you're giving up

00:24:28.760 something yes you're giving up something in exchange for rights which is yeah why don't what

00:24:36.340 are you giving up free will you're giving up have you ever like cobs leviathan man in a constant

00:24:42.740 state of war where they pursue their own individual selfish interests we give that up in some part not

00:24:48.380 fully but in some parts to agree with the government in a contract we're not going to do these things

00:24:54.360 if you protect us from other people who are going to do those things okay and who's doing the

00:24:58.940 protecting um it it's people who are hired to the institutions by the government paid with tax

00:25:08.500 dollars that are funded by both men and women so i'd say like the united states military uh yeah would

00:25:17.220 you say that that's mostly men or mostly women the military is not an enforcer

00:25:23.900 the way that we've been talking about it though the police would be the enforcer the way why

00:25:28.160 wouldn't the military be enforcers i'm i mean like in terms of foreign foreign matters because then

00:25:34.020 you're not enforcing rights you're enforcing that's on an international scale you're enforcing your

00:25:39.160 nation's sovereignty well that would be enforcing the rights of the people that's the nation's right

00:25:44.140 to sovereignty that's not a people's right they're two different levels of abstraction the japanese attack

00:25:48.600 pearl harbor um isn't the united states military going to be enforcing your rights at that point

00:25:55.100 if a foreign body invades um they're not aren't they protecting you the same way a police officer

00:26:02.440 would be in that context but states aren't motivated to do that particularly just to protect my individual

00:26:07.800 life it's to protect the sanctity of a state as a whole because the state protects the rights of the

00:26:12.420 individuals within the state so they're there to protect the state who's protecting the rights of

00:26:16.600 you so they're protecting your rights okay yeah i guess and they're enforcing your rights

00:26:22.040 i concede what is the what's the implication of that keep going well is it mostly men or women

00:26:26.920 um in the military it's mostly men mostly men and then in the police force mostly men mostly women

00:26:34.800 i'm not i guess it's mostly men mostly men in fact can you think of a single enforcement agency

00:26:42.240 which is not mostly made up of men i don't know maybe the environmental protection agency

00:26:48.800 the epa that's an enforcement arm of the government actually have an enforcement wing

00:26:56.440 um because like the irs does the irs has an enforcement arm of the irs they carry guns the

00:27:03.960 whole nine yards but that's mostly the agents they're mostly men too i'm pretty sure the epa

00:27:08.300 has to handle um permits for businesses that are like um polluting a lot yeah that wouldn't be

00:27:14.440 enforcement though that is enforcing a law it's not enforcement that is enforcing a law how is it

00:27:20.640 enforcing if there's regulations on how much uh emissions a company can have and the epa is tracking

00:27:27.300 their emissions and charging them or otherwise punishing them putting them out of business etc for

00:27:33.080 breaking those rules then it's an enforcement of a law so if it's enforcement this requires force

00:27:40.420 that's entailed in the word enforcement yeah and that it so what force are they using or are they

00:27:45.340 appealing to another another branch to use force they're they're using the institutional force

00:27:53.320 that's yeah but if a business says no we're going to keep dumping our oil in this lake

00:27:58.020 right does the epa themselves actually come out and physically stop them from dumping the oil in

00:28:03.940 the lake or do they just send them a strongly worded letter is the question probably a strongly

00:28:09.320 worded letter i think eventually people might come out and do things physically and yeah those people

00:28:15.080 would probably be men but i don't see the point of your argument it's just an argument that men are

00:28:19.820 physically stronger i haven't even made an argument okay so i don't see how you can see the point

00:28:23.520 if i haven't even i'm not sure what you're setting up for but i'm very curious well right now i'm

00:28:27.920 just trying to figure out the delineation of who actually enforces the laws the laws themselves

00:28:34.160 not people who write the laws not people who make judgments on the laws but the people who actually

00:28:40.120 enforce the laws the government the institutions that make up the government institutions cannot

00:28:45.100 enforce a law okay people have to enforce a law it's like saying the prison institution will make

00:28:54.580 you go to your cell the prison institution does not make you go to the cell a guy with a nightstick

00:28:59.320 makes you go to a cell right but why does he have to do that uh it was his job he doesn't have to do

00:29:07.920 it who gave him that job uh well in this case it would be the prison uh is that a government-owned

00:29:14.580 facility sure so he has a government job sure so he has to do whatever the government tells him the

00:29:23.380 not the government the people in the government who are in those institutions who then give him the

00:29:28.900 mandate to do whatever the job is the institution itself is just a building right or an idea it's a

00:29:34.900 conflation of people so you're making a category error when you say an institution can enforce okay it's

00:29:40.060 people who enforce and the people who are the institution in the government enforce and they

00:29:45.760 yeah that's my well they don't always have to be in the government right um explain yourself well like

00:29:55.200 you can have a citizen's arrest you can have you know various things like this where there's

00:29:59.720 enforcement going on but you're not a government agent of any kind and you can enforce your right

00:30:05.160 to self-defense without being in the government right uh i disagree government this has is the

00:30:11.800 one that gives us the right to self-defense so the government gives us a right to self-defense

00:30:17.860 they delineate it like i said after the social contract the people give the government the people

00:30:24.900 give the people in the government the right to enforce it okay so then last thing is when it comes to

00:30:31.140 rights themselves do you think that rights exist it's a very it's a very interesting topic that

00:30:37.940 you've given to me multiple times i think like you've said many times about different axioms and

00:30:45.040 stuff no they do not tangibly exist but because the enforcement of rights has physical repercussions

00:30:52.160 i'd say that rights are something that exists in various societies governments legal codes constitutions

00:30:59.660 they're present but yes they are intangible they're intangible yeah so they're just conceptual

00:31:05.780 yes they don't actually exist as part of any type of physical reality they're just ideas that we will

00:31:10.780 follow same thing with the bible but yeah i mean sure we you can you can say that i'm just asking

00:31:17.020 specifically they're just ideas though right yes just like the bible it's just ideas okay it's just ideas

00:31:23.080 so if that is the case then these ideas for rights which do not exist and then these men who are

00:31:30.720 mostly enforcing this these rights who do exist men you would say would be the rights enforcers they

00:31:37.760 would have to be there's mostly men who are enforcing rights and under this ideal or idealism that you

00:31:43.980 have that we should follow rights you would need to have people enforcing them those are mostly going

00:31:48.780 to be men enforcing rights i feel like we've talked in a circle here just and i think the fundamental

00:31:53.660 disagreement is that i believe women are just as capable of men as enforcing rights and i don't

00:31:58.880 think that physicality is a valid enough argument to really against it so then can you tell me why it is

00:32:03.760 that there's never been a case in the history of all of mankind where women have collectively

00:32:08.640 enslaved or men but men have always been able to collectively enslave women it's because men are

00:32:14.680 physically stronger well then what are you talking about women are just as equally capable of enforcing

00:32:19.140 their rights because guns are an equalizer yeah but we've already distinguished that they don't make

00:32:24.080 you equal to a man just because you have a gun we disagreed there okay well then can you explain how

00:32:29.800 somebody's better apt and can carry far more ammunition and handle a weapon better how it's equal to a person

00:32:35.400 who cannot um first of all like we said there are many exceptions to that case there are many women who

00:32:43.020 could probably carry more ammunition than a small weak man yeah but those would be exceptions which

00:32:47.120 would make the rule that most women are not as good at it as most men also women do not make guns

00:32:54.600 they don't create them they don't manufacture them they don't draft them they for the most part stay

00:33:00.360 completely out of the industry there's almost no women working inside of the gun industry as far as the

00:33:05.820 production end of it goes some in the sales end but they don't even produce the weapons so same thing

00:33:11.980 when you're talking about tanks tanks also require a higher amount of physical strength the male tank

00:33:17.520 crews are going to do better than female tank crews and this is because you have to put on treads and you

00:33:22.180 have to put in shells and you have to carry heavy shit all day so it's not really just saying well a woman

00:33:28.600 can carry a gun um i don't really understand the argument because yes men also carry guns but can do so

00:33:35.700 much more than that with the guns okay well it's just i've proven that women can be enforcers even if

00:33:44.680 it's less well than man men can be right would you concede to that that would mean if that's true

00:33:52.160 that men can utilize force even against enforcer women and take away their rights that's the point

00:33:59.140 so do you think like a a man who is able to escape the grip of a female police officer

00:34:06.760 you think he's just gonna be free for the rest of his life and never get a right never gonna

00:34:11.800 enforce them yeah they're gonna come get him men who enforce rights are gonna come get him

00:34:16.960 but generally speaking yeah women and men cannot equally enforce rights there's no i mean i there's

00:34:23.740 never even been an example of it ever has never happened once so my argument would be to you that

00:34:29.840 if tomorrow collectively men said women have no rights they would not and if collectively women

00:34:35.200 said men have no rights they still would because women would be unable to enforce that mandate whereas

00:34:40.100 men could that's false because they could at least partially enforce it there would be a war between the

00:34:47.240 genders if we can both own guns i don't think that there would be as if you take a look at some of the

00:34:53.480 historic examples including overseas there have been many instances where women can own guns

00:34:59.160 and have guns but if men take their rights away what good are your guns what are you going to do

00:35:05.780 collectively women there's no possible way for them to put up a fight against men it can't it can't be

00:35:10.640 done and do you think men would take women's rights away tomorrow they do it all over the world all the

00:35:16.780 time don't they then why don't they do it here well so this is a conflation of two different two

00:35:22.560 different questions whether or not they do do it here we're arguing right now on if they could do

00:35:29.200 it here if they could do what sorry if they could collectivize and just take away women's rights

00:35:35.120 yeah could they yeah okay then why don't they yeah but that's not again asking me why why doesn't

00:35:46.780 thing happen doesn't i'm just asking you about your opinion at this necessity why do you think

00:35:53.160 men don't do that is it because of the feminist mind virus or get into that okay but before i get

00:35:58.960 into that i still would like this question answered as to whether or not they can do that um i don't

00:36:06.740 think so because women are objects of value to men the only reason why you guys um hate so much

00:36:15.660 that we're able to get our first dates paid for and um use pretty privilege to our advantage

00:36:21.960 is because you have valued women so highly right i mean you use the term benevolent patriarchy last

00:36:29.580 time i think the better phrase is just horny patriarchy honestly um i think men wouldn't do that

00:36:35.860 because then they wouldn't get any play anymore but couldn't they just take it are you saying they

00:36:42.320 should just uh go have gay sex or no they could just take whatever they wanted from women anyway

00:36:47.680 collectively if they so chose right oh so you're saying that women's sexual power can be

00:36:58.640 can be taken away yeah because that's something we talked about yeah it can okay can't it it it can

00:37:10.100 yeah so i mean this is the point so when we're talking about rights as a construct we're talking

00:37:15.960 about men who are the enforcers of rights the majority of which you've already conceded they

00:37:20.840 are the majority enforcement of rights you seem to think somehow though that women equally can enforce

00:37:27.380 rights i don't

00:37:28.900 uh can you check i'm looking on youtube right now

00:37:47.000 you sure you didn't hit something or i don't know what i could possibly hit

00:37:52.440 because it just happened and this went something went wrong so

00:37:56.300 let me see if it's still alive hold on

00:38:02.300 uh-oh

00:38:06.700 yeah it just crashed

00:38:09.460 um did obs just crash maybe it says we're offline check your connection

00:38:15.540 internet crashed it could just be iv this happens to me all the time

00:38:22.600 oh we're back here sit down i had i don't know if the stream is still going though

00:38:31.300 the white thing's in uh i think it is i have it on my phone right now

00:38:36.040 hey uh are we still alive folks one in the chat if we're still live

00:38:42.280 i apologize i don't know if you guys can see us or hear us where you had a internet disconnect

00:38:47.880 um we're gonna try to fix this really quick so give us i very much apologize give us just one minute

00:38:53.780 okay okay we're still connected

00:38:55.880 yeah that's why it just needs to be

00:38:58.160 um oh yeah we just reload it

00:39:03.640 uh

00:39:07.780 uh

00:39:11.780 uh

00:39:15.780 uh

00:39:17.780 uh

00:39:19.780 uh

00:39:21.780 i would concede that men have a monopoly over the use of physical force

00:39:35.220 but that doesn't mean they have a monopoly over the enforcement of

00:39:38.340 rights then who does

00:39:40.260 like

00:39:42.180 i said institutions but it's not even just that

00:39:46.420 someone has all the power power in most institutions

00:39:51.780 that

00:39:53.540 as a

00:39:54.900 the

00:39:55.540 a nation as a collective

00:39:57.580 must enforce the rights of a nation

00:40:00.420 why must they

00:40:02.580 or not must they but

00:40:04.220 it's like what i was saying with the social contract stuff

00:40:07.260 earlier

00:40:07.940 if

00:40:08.800 if a big enough group

00:40:10.660 is

00:40:11.160 dissatisfied with

00:40:12.940 the way things are being run in the state

00:40:14.940 um

00:40:15.940 no matter what there's usually going to be some sort of revolt

00:40:18.440 pushback

00:40:19.180 non-institutionalized protest

00:40:21.440 who usually fights in those revolts

00:40:23.260 who usually fights in those revolts

00:40:25.960 men

00:40:26.220 men

00:40:26.800 yeah

00:40:27.440 so men are the ones who are

00:40:29.900 either

00:40:30.940 taking their rights

00:40:32.620 or taking rights away

00:40:34.200 for the physical revolts

00:40:35.580 see

00:40:36.020 susan b anthony

00:40:37.180 during the fight for the 19th

00:40:38.480 she didn't need to shoot anyone

00:40:39.480 did she

00:40:39.960 there's such thing as political activism

00:40:41.880 non-violent political activism

00:40:43.520 would you say that political activism is

00:40:46.500 not impactful on the nature of the institutions that make up our society

00:40:50.380 susan b anthony had almost no power

00:40:52.740 rich industrialists are who got the 19th amendment passed

00:40:55.720 at the state level

00:40:57.360 every single state almost

00:40:59.480 without exception

00:41:00.520 where there was a referendum on the vote

00:41:02.900 for the 19th

00:41:04.160 women were not allowed to vote on it

00:41:05.760 they were not allowed to vote for their own voting rights

00:41:08.220 well that would make sense

00:41:09.640 the anti-suffragettes

00:41:11.240 demanded

00:41:12.080 or i'm sorry

00:41:13.480 the suffragettes demanded

00:41:14.560 that they not be able to vote

00:41:15.920 and that it instead be constitutionally enshrined

00:41:17.880 because they had tried to allow them to vote before

00:41:19.740 and it did not pass

00:41:21.200 so no susan b anthony

00:41:22.900 did not utilize great political activism

00:41:25.440 moving past that one case study

00:41:27.040 women are capable of political activism

00:41:29.680 yes or no

00:41:30.820 sure

00:41:31.280 as as long as men allow them to be

00:41:34.080 that's the that's my claim

00:41:36.460 is that all enforcement is allowance

00:41:38.380 so anything that women are allowed to do

00:41:41.460 as an external force anywhere in the world

00:41:44.260 is because men are necessarily allowing that to happen

00:41:47.020 that argument is based purely on physicality

00:41:50.380 it's saying basically any at any time

00:41:52.720 because a man could physically overpower a woman

00:41:55.040 he could just kill her

00:41:56.220 and prevent her from doing anything

00:41:57.940 how is that an argument for a woman having less rights than a man

00:42:00.960 the argument would also move to men as well

00:42:04.120 so it would also be saying that

00:42:05.700 men can do the exact same thing to other men

00:42:09.100 and they can do this to women

00:42:10.480 yes i would agree with that

00:42:11.500 but women can never do it to men

00:42:13.000 okay what about women to other women

00:42:17.920 sure

00:42:19.080 then can they can't they enforce rights

00:42:23.480 you mean can they enforce their their rights against other women

00:42:27.720 yeah

00:42:28.060 sure but they can't against men

00:42:29.500 okay

00:42:30.900 okay

00:42:32.140 so

00:42:33.000 i mean ultimately

00:42:34.740 what we all we're establishing is that men

00:42:37.920 enforce rights

00:42:39.280 and that women cannot enforce their own rights

00:42:41.240 and so since that is the case

00:42:42.840 i do not believe that men and women are equal

00:42:45.160 and since they are not equal

00:42:47.060 then it becomes a why should we

00:42:49.780 allow for women to have these

00:42:52.400 rights

00:42:53.360 when if if we have determined that they should not

00:42:57.300 what would be the moral argument for it

00:42:59.120 do children deserve rights

00:43:00.220 uh limited

00:43:01.220 yeah there's a moral argument to be made there i think

00:43:03.780 but like do children get the right to vote

00:43:07.940 true

00:43:10.140 but i mean

00:43:12.520 well

00:43:14.580 they tend to frown on that right

00:43:16.420 typically

00:43:17.420 but

00:43:18.460 the the argument is that

00:43:20.580 someone shouldn't have to

00:43:22.440 think oh my rights aren't going to be enforced simply because i can't enforce them

00:43:26.320 what about disabled men

00:43:27.420 do their rights not deserve to be enforced in society

00:43:30.680 yeah men can take that away from them

00:43:32.720 they could

00:43:33.360 so you're saying a disabled man is the same as a woman

00:43:36.480 yeah i'm saying that if you have

00:43:38.580 that all rights essentially come down to force

00:43:41.560 then you can chop it up either which way you want

00:43:43.820 you can make as big of a group as you want

00:43:46.400 or as small of a group as you want

00:43:47.920 however you want to chop it up you can do

00:43:49.740 you can do it with only tall men

00:43:50.940 only medium-sized men

00:43:51.980 only small men

00:43:52.760 but ultimately it's going to be men

00:43:54.680 who are giving rights and taking rights away

00:43:56.460 but see

00:43:57.140 you've

00:43:57.740 pointed out multiple exceptions to the rule

00:44:00.120 what if we remove all the exceptions

00:44:01.960 and just say

00:44:02.720 the strongest 50 percent of the population

00:44:05.000 it's not going to be all men

00:44:06.500 that would still be men

00:44:07.120 well okay

00:44:08.840 well let's say

00:44:09.940 there's no way around it

00:44:11.940 no no no no no

00:44:12.620 well

00:44:13.340 no there's definitely

00:44:14.780 a multitude of men out there

00:44:16.980 that are

00:44:17.280 weaker than men

00:44:18.540 women

00:44:18.940 okay

00:44:19.740 i might

00:44:20.520 i'm bad at math honestly

00:44:21.600 but what i'm saying is like

00:44:23.700 yeah you want to revise that

00:44:24.780 you can't

00:44:25.300 why would

00:44:25.880 if you're basing it on

00:44:27.300 biological physicality

00:44:29.020 then

00:44:30.340 what

00:44:31.100 why does it have to be between the two genders

00:44:33.340 if there are women that are stronger than smaller men

00:44:35.960 if it's based purely on the use of force

00:44:39.400 why don't we just base it on who is most capable of using force

00:44:43.020 like the olympics or something

00:44:44.340 what am i missing

00:44:45.060 what are you doing

00:44:46.700 here take this

00:44:48.380 i don't know what the fuck

00:44:49.840 what is all that about

00:44:51.040 there's a bit of

00:44:52.260 white specks

00:44:53.460 i was just trying to

00:44:54.340 oh

00:44:54.940 yeah i don't know

00:44:56.300 okay

00:44:58.140 what the

00:44:58.860 ocd brian

00:45:00.060 sorry i'm just being

00:45:00.920 i don't want people to think you got dandruff

00:45:02.780 and shit

00:45:03.040 why would you use

00:45:04.040 why would you use

00:45:05.260 sex as the

00:45:06.920 the determining force

00:45:08.300 if you've already admitted

00:45:09.300 that

00:45:09.800 there are people who

00:45:11.100 break the exception

00:45:12.100 and there are

00:45:13.040 women who would be stronger than some men

00:45:15.260 because no matter

00:45:15.740 why don't you just choose the strongest people

00:45:17.760 from each society

00:45:18.480 because the strongest people from each society

00:45:20.080 are going to still be the men

00:45:20.980 okay

00:45:23.940 but

00:45:25.860 all right

00:45:28.520 just just a little bit

00:45:31.820 please andrew

00:45:32.560 please just

00:45:33.300 like on

00:45:34.040 on that side

00:45:35.080 wait a little higher up

00:45:36.160 what is there

00:45:36.580 there's cotton here

00:45:37.680 no just like there's little white puffs

00:45:39.400 from the

00:45:39.760 on the other side

00:45:41.240 the other side

00:45:41.660 what is it

00:45:42.380 you want

00:45:42.660 can i do it

00:45:43.220 can i do it

00:45:44.500 hold on

00:45:46.320 welcome to the whatever podcast

00:45:47.680 bro

00:45:49.940 i'm sorry i'm sorry

00:45:51.600 are you serious

00:45:52.500 is ash

00:45:53.520 some ash

00:45:54.720 freaking you out dude

00:45:56.080 some cigarette

00:45:57.420 what the fuck

00:45:58.560 some cigarette

00:45:59.760 anyway

00:46:00.940 there was a little cigarette

00:46:01.900 droppings

00:46:02.740 or something

00:46:03.200 all right

00:46:03.380 so back to the debate

00:46:04.500 sorry i'm sorry

00:46:06.140 okay

00:46:09.740 well

00:46:10.460 remind me never get a barbecue stain

00:46:12.100 on a white t-shirt around you dude

00:46:13.800 i'm the comic relief

00:46:15.080 this guy

00:46:15.820 he loses his fucking mind

00:46:17.060 he get a barbecue

00:46:17.680 he'd be like the whole time

00:46:20.320 he would never be able to enjoy the barbecue

00:46:22.000 he'd just be staring at that guy

00:46:23.420 the whole time

00:46:24.960 yeah it's true

00:46:26.360 it's true

00:46:27.740 it's true

00:46:28.640 but yeah

00:46:29.900 look at look at how sharp you look now

00:46:32.140 hold on wait

00:46:33.220 there's a little more

00:46:33.940 i'm sorry

00:46:34.300 there's a little more

00:46:34.940 i'm sorry

00:46:35.360 get it all brian

00:46:36.320 there we go

00:46:37.320 you can just

00:46:39.560 i mean

00:46:40.300 it's kind of

00:46:41.080 it's dug

00:46:41.500 it's just dug in there

00:46:42.740 that makes me want to like

00:46:43.580 go smoke another cigarette

00:46:44.620 just flick it towards myself now

00:46:46.720 but anyway

00:46:47.240 um

00:46:48.380 where are we at

00:46:49.820 oh yeah yeah

00:46:50.280 when it came to rights

00:46:51.500 yeah we've determined

00:46:52.480 even at the highest level

00:46:53.860 it would still be men

00:46:54.680 right

00:46:54.940 i've already conceded that

00:46:57.840 the monopoly

00:46:58.380 of force

00:46:59.540 i guess

00:47:00.520 is with men

00:47:02.040 but

00:47:03.160 like i said

00:47:04.580 so then the monopoly

00:47:05.460 of enforcement

00:47:06.060 would be

00:47:06.860 no

00:47:08.200 because the enforcement

00:47:09.260 of rights

00:47:09.660 is not purely

00:47:10.260 physically done

00:47:11.000 it's also done

00:47:12.060 by stigmas

00:47:12.640 and other things

00:47:13.660 that you've talked

00:47:14.360 about before

00:47:15.080 ideas

00:47:16.080 so stigmas

00:47:17.280 social contracts

00:47:17.940 stigmas can move

00:47:18.840 obedience to the institutions

00:47:19.940 stigma

00:47:20.840 and what's

00:47:21.780 what's the difference

00:47:22.400 between anarchy

00:47:23.080 and governmental state

00:47:24.080 if the only monopoly

00:47:25.080 of force is based

00:47:25.940 on physicality

00:47:27.000 yeah so stigmas

00:47:28.080 for instance

00:47:29.260 and patriotism

00:47:31.160 that could be a really

00:47:32.320 good one to look at too

00:47:33.380 all of these things

00:47:35.020 can definitely

00:47:35.700 influence

00:47:36.760 a world view

00:47:37.740 or a viewpoint

00:47:38.560 but that still

00:47:39.940 is not going to change

00:47:40.680 who's going to end up

00:47:41.300 ultimately having to

00:47:42.180 enforce the world view

00:47:43.160 or viewpoint

00:47:43.620 and it's not going to be

00:47:45.040 women

00:47:45.240 it's going to be men

00:47:45.980 and this was the

00:47:47.880 primary anti-suffragette

00:47:49.940 or one of the primary

00:47:50.880 anti-suffragette arguments

00:47:52.160 made by the

00:47:53.880 non-feminist women

00:47:55.100 pre-19th

00:47:57.360 was

00:47:57.740 look

00:47:58.880 one of the biggest

00:47:59.940 problems is

00:48:00.640 we're not fighting

00:48:01.600 the wars

00:48:02.020 and we're not ever going to

00:48:03.060 and we're not going to

00:48:04.340 ever act as the

00:48:05.260 enforcement arm

00:48:05.980 in society

00:48:06.560 and we're never going to

00:48:07.740 because we can't

00:48:08.680 we're not physically

00:48:09.460 able to do this job

00:48:10.920 now

00:48:11.760 you can point to

00:48:12.500 some exceptions

00:48:13.080 which can

00:48:13.880 right

00:48:14.900 some few women

00:48:15.820 who can

00:48:16.420 that'll always

00:48:17.140 be the case

00:48:17.760 but by and large

00:48:18.740 it's never going to

00:48:19.500 be the case

00:48:20.060 because just on

00:48:21.200 the average is

00:48:22.120 that men are

00:48:22.740 far stronger

00:48:23.660 not moderately

00:48:24.940 stronger

00:48:25.360 they are far

00:48:26.080 stronger than women

00:48:26.960 and that's what

00:48:27.920 gives them such

00:48:28.540 a massive edge

00:48:29.220 when it comes

00:48:29.580 to enforcement

00:48:30.160 would you say

00:48:31.100 that men

00:48:31.540 who have never

00:48:32.020 served in the

00:48:32.620 military

00:48:33.080 or the police

00:48:34.040 force

00:48:34.360 are not entitled

00:48:35.120 to rights

00:48:35.740 I think that

00:48:37.780 you could make

00:48:38.520 a good argument

00:48:39.340 that if we were

00:48:40.620 going to limit

00:48:41.300 suffrage

00:48:41.940 the best thing

00:48:42.740 that we could do

00:48:43.320 to limit it

00:48:44.020 would be

00:48:45.200 to have

00:48:46.140 some sort

00:48:46.620 of public

00:48:47.120 service

00:48:47.640 that men

00:48:48.240 and women

00:48:48.560 both had to do

00:48:49.500 and if they

00:48:50.180 were able to get

00:48:51.240 through whatever

00:48:51.700 that public

00:48:52.180 service was

00:48:53.100 I think the military

00:48:54.000 would be a great

00:48:54.440 example

00:48:54.880 then they've earned

00:48:56.060 that right

00:48:56.960 that way

00:48:57.900 somebody who's

00:48:58.920 your age

00:48:59.380 for instance

00:48:59.960 who may not

00:49:00.820 know as much

00:49:01.420 as a person

00:49:01.920 who's 50

00:49:02.660 or 60

00:49:03.200 can't negate

00:49:04.460 their well-informed

00:49:05.380 vote

00:49:05.820 but rather

00:49:06.540 you had to go

00:49:07.320 and you had to

00:49:08.160 in some way

00:49:08.820 earn it

00:49:09.380 so you're very much

00:49:10.560 like a civic duty

00:49:11.640 Republican

00:49:12.220 in that sense

00:49:13.340 I wouldn't say

00:49:13.780 it's a civic duty

00:49:14.740 Republican

00:49:15.360 right

00:49:16.080 but I would say

00:49:17.520 that if you're

00:49:19.560 going to have a vote

00:49:20.560 if that is a system

00:49:21.820 we're going to have

00:49:22.520 I don't see

00:49:23.900 how it's even

00:49:24.580 conscionable

00:49:25.200 to just let

00:49:25.880 everybody participate

00:49:27.080 in it

00:49:27.580 most people

00:49:28.820 are remarkably

00:49:30.140 politically uninformed

00:49:31.420 they have no idea

00:49:32.360 about anything

00:49:33.160 at all

00:49:33.780 why should we let

00:49:34.760 all of them

00:49:35.320 do that

00:49:35.800 do you think

00:49:36.660 we should have

00:49:37.080 a literacy test

00:49:37.960 I mean I think

00:49:39.500 you should have

00:49:39.960 a literacy test

00:49:40.800 before you're even

00:49:41.320 allowed to come

00:49:41.740 in the country

00:49:42.260 and I think

00:49:45.000 that yeah

00:49:46.100 it would probably

00:49:46.720 be a good idea

00:49:47.540 to make sure

00:49:48.060 that only literate

00:49:48.920 people could

00:49:49.780 exercise a right

00:49:51.780 like that

00:49:52.340 for sure

00:49:52.800 right

00:49:53.100 yeah

00:49:53.440 so you're saying

00:49:54.280 there should be

00:49:54.700 some sort of

00:49:55.220 intelligence test

00:49:56.720 at the polls

00:49:57.440 before someone

00:49:58.060 is able to

00:49:58.860 act out their rights

00:49:59.840 I think that you

00:50:00.640 could even

00:50:01.620 dunk down

00:50:02.740 to some type

00:50:03.240 of average

00:50:03.800 until I don't

00:50:04.340 think you have

00:50:04.660 to be super smart

00:50:05.600 to you know

00:50:07.780 move into

00:50:08.500 to you know

00:50:10.620 to move into

00:50:11.060 the right to vote

00:50:11.700 but what you do

00:50:13.300 need to have

00:50:13.820 is some kind

00:50:15.020 of bleeding

00:50:15.700 for it

00:50:16.340 right

00:50:16.800 so it used

00:50:17.500 to be

00:50:17.780 you had to own

00:50:18.200 property

00:50:18.740 or there was

00:50:19.580 other criteria

00:50:20.220 that you had

00:50:20.940 you know

00:50:21.820 now there's

00:50:22.420 nothing

00:50:22.820 everybody can

00:50:23.500 participate

00:50:23.980 and that seems

00:50:24.580 like a really

00:50:25.280 bad idea

00:50:26.120 that so many

00:50:26.940 people can get

00:50:27.760 rid of an

00:50:28.300 informed vote

00:50:29.040 with their

00:50:29.280 uninformed vote

00:50:30.180 so what do

00:50:32.340 you think

00:50:32.680 are the

00:50:33.240 the criterion

00:50:35.240 that they should

00:50:35.900 have to fulfill

00:50:36.620 I think that

00:50:37.360 they should

00:50:37.660 have to do

00:50:38.420 probably six

00:50:39.720 years of

00:50:40.320 mandatory duty

00:50:41.480 to some kind

00:50:42.320 of institution

00:50:42.860 with no pay

00:50:43.540 and then

00:50:44.940 they can have

00:50:45.820 that right

00:50:46.300 okay

00:50:48.680 and you would

00:50:49.400 be open to

00:50:49.900 women doing

00:50:50.660 that too

00:50:51.060 I would

00:50:51.720 but just so

00:50:52.240 you know

00:50:52.540 an entailment

00:50:53.080 of this

00:50:53.460 is that most

00:50:53.980 would not

00:50:54.560 why wouldn't

00:50:56.380 they

00:50:56.580 because they

00:50:57.500 don't now

00:50:58.060 so when

00:50:59.520 there are

00:51:00.360 and you

00:51:02.560 can actually

00:51:03.140 go country

00:51:03.580 by country

00:51:04.060 where this

00:51:04.460 is true

00:51:04.920 where service

00:51:05.700 is something

00:51:06.740 which gives

00:51:07.140 you an

00:51:07.400 initial privilege

00:51:08.220 women usually

00:51:08.980 don't apply

00:51:10.060 for whatever

00:51:10.540 that is

00:51:10.960 because they

00:51:11.200 don't need

00:51:11.540 to

00:51:11.740 what's the

00:51:12.580 point

00:51:12.900 they still

00:51:13.600 basically

00:51:14.100 are pampered

00:51:15.020 princesses

00:51:15.620 in society

00:51:16.280 right

00:51:17.000 you're just

00:51:17.480 negating

00:51:18.200 them being

00:51:18.660 able to

00:51:19.600 well you're

00:51:20.680 not even

00:51:20.880 negating

00:51:21.240 them

00:51:21.360 they could

00:51:21.960 if they

00:51:22.460 go through

00:51:22.720 the same

00:51:23.080 service

00:51:23.500 process

00:51:23.940 but most

00:51:24.320 of them

00:51:24.500 don't

00:51:25.160 why are

00:51:25.580 women

00:51:25.820 pampered

00:51:26.200 princesses

00:51:26.760 in society

00:51:27.400 because

00:51:29.300 basically

00:51:30.340 men have

00:51:31.080 taken care

00:51:31.580 of all

00:51:31.920 the infrastructure

00:51:32.680 in such a

00:51:33.260 way that

00:51:33.820 almost all

00:51:34.420 hardship is

00:51:35.040 out of the

00:51:35.300 way of

00:51:35.520 women

00:51:35.740 was that

00:51:36.620 men's

00:51:36.940 choice

00:51:37.320 well I

00:51:40.440 wouldn't say

00:51:41.020 it depends

00:51:41.840 there's a

00:51:42.380 bit of

00:51:42.680 determinism

00:51:43.300 when it

00:51:43.680 comes to

00:51:44.080 how men

00:51:44.580 operate

00:51:45.200 with

00:51:45.400 inventiveness

00:51:46.000 and you

00:51:47.000 have capital

00:51:47.540 things like

00:51:48.100 this but

00:51:49.000 yeah I

00:51:49.340 would say

00:51:49.620 ultimately

00:51:50.200 it's a

00:51:50.960 choice

00:51:51.240 sure

00:51:51.860 so just

00:51:53.080 like it's

00:51:53.380 a choice

00:51:53.700 for them

00:51:53.980 not to

00:51:54.320 collectively

00:51:54.720 enslave

00:51:55.140 all women

00:51:55.520 on planet

00:51:55.900 earth

00:51:56.140 tomorrow

00:51:56.440 that's a

00:51:56.820 choice

00:51:57.180 but

00:51:58.100 but still

00:52:00.400 if you

00:52:01.120 look at

00:52:01.340 the logic

00:52:01.780 of it

00:52:02.240 it still

00:52:03.200 seems that

00:52:04.000 they could

00:52:04.860 I would

00:52:06.720 say that

00:52:07.100 debunks

00:52:07.800 any argument

00:52:08.960 that I've

00:52:09.460 heard that

00:52:10.040 men have

00:52:10.640 it harder

00:52:11.160 because they

00:52:11.680 have to

00:52:11.960 provide for

00:52:12.420 women

00:52:12.640 you just

00:52:13.360 conceded that

00:52:14.200 it's men's

00:52:14.900 choice that

00:52:15.520 they make

00:52:16.000 women pampered

00:52:16.740 princesses

00:52:17.460 so when

00:52:18.860 you're this

00:52:19.700 is actually

00:52:20.160 kind of a

00:52:20.580 silly argument

00:52:21.220 well I'll

00:52:21.640 gauge it

00:52:22.060 anyway

00:52:22.420 because men

00:52:24.960 make a

00:52:25.420 choice

00:52:26.020 right to

00:52:27.480 feed

00:52:28.360 their

00:52:29.000 kid

00:52:29.740 after the

00:52:30.700 kid has

00:52:31.080 acted out

00:52:31.720 he's been

00:52:32.080 a shithead

00:52:32.560 all day

00:52:33.180 but they

00:52:33.940 give him

00:52:34.220 dinner

00:52:34.460 anyway

00:52:34.920 right

00:52:35.740 they make

00:52:36.440 that

00:52:36.740 choice

00:52:37.540 did they

00:52:39.100 do something

00:52:39.580 they do

00:52:40.220 something bad

00:52:40.920 by doing

00:52:41.920 that

00:52:42.220 by feeding

00:52:43.260 their kid

00:52:43.680 even after

00:52:44.020 the kid

00:52:44.280 was a

00:52:44.580 shithead

00:52:44.860 all day

00:52:45.260 no but

00:52:47.120 they did

00:52:47.580 no I'm

00:52:49.920 just gonna

00:52:50.160 say no

00:52:50.500 no

00:52:50.880 they didn't

00:52:51.680 they didn't

00:52:52.000 do anything

00:52:52.380 wrong

00:52:52.760 they should

00:52:54.280 right

00:52:55.140 actually feed

00:52:55.940 that kid

00:52:56.300 at the end

00:52:56.640 of the day

00:52:57.040 right

00:52:57.500 yes

00:52:58.300 even though

00:52:59.240 the kid

00:52:59.560 did all

00:53:00.040 sorts of

00:53:00.480 shit

00:53:00.680 they weren't

00:53:01.100 supposed to

00:53:01.580 do

00:53:01.840 yes

00:53:02.680 yeah

00:53:03.020 because

00:53:03.360 that's a

00:53:04.120 moral imperative

00:53:04.900 that they

00:53:05.660 feed the

00:53:06.060 kid

00:53:06.280 right

00:53:06.560 so in

00:53:08.100 this particular

00:53:08.560 case there

00:53:09.060 can be all

00:53:09.560 sorts of

00:53:10.080 terrible horrible

00:53:11.000 female behavior

00:53:11.960 but that doesn't

00:53:12.900 mean that

00:53:13.240 virtuous men

00:53:14.020 would just let

00:53:14.780 them go out

00:53:15.300 and die

00:53:15.820 that seems

00:53:16.880 absurd on

00:53:17.640 its face

00:53:18.200 but not only

00:53:18.860 that most

00:53:19.700 men aren't

00:53:20.160 looking at

00:53:20.740 it in the

00:53:21.560 way that we're

00:53:22.160 discussing it

00:53:22.820 where we're

00:53:23.120 talking about

00:53:23.640 infrastructure being

00:53:24.540 a necessary

00:53:25.140 facilitation for

00:53:26.120 women's rights

00:53:26.660 to begin with

00:53:27.260 which are men

00:53:27.860 doing it

00:53:28.300 they just

00:53:28.580 naturally

00:53:28.880 gravitate to

00:53:29.500 those jobs

00:53:30.080 they don't

00:53:30.580 even think

00:53:30.940 about the

00:53:31.520 entailment

00:53:32.040 oh that

00:53:32.940 women benefit

00:53:33.580 from this

00:53:33.980 infrastructure

00:53:34.520 they don't

00:53:34.840 even think

00:53:35.180 of it

00:53:35.360 that way

00:53:35.800 okay so

00:53:36.840 you're saying

00:53:37.200 it's a moral

00:53:37.640 obligation

00:53:38.220 for them

00:53:39.880 to be

00:53:40.680 merciful

00:53:41.060 towards women

00:53:42.280 and pamper

00:53:43.240 them

00:53:43.520 even when

00:53:44.080 they're

00:53:44.300 disobedient

00:53:44.880 that doesn't

00:53:45.540 mean to

00:53:45.800 equalize

00:53:46.420 them

00:53:46.640 any more

00:53:47.040 than they

00:53:47.220 would a

00:53:47.460 child

00:53:47.840 were you

00:53:52.100 gonna say

00:53:52.360 something

00:53:52.740 well I have

00:53:54.580 a question

00:53:55.480 unless you guys

00:53:57.180 want to continue

00:53:57.680 on this thread

00:53:58.280 I had something

00:53:59.800 I wanted to say

00:54:00.380 wait can you

00:54:03.020 repeat what you

00:54:03.520 just said

00:54:03.920 I'm sorry

00:54:04.360 I don't

00:54:05.040 remember now

00:54:05.600 darn

00:54:05.880 it's okay

00:54:09.260 just ask

00:54:09.700 okay

00:54:10.100 well I mean

00:54:11.160 just moving

00:54:11.620 things forward

00:54:12.140 a little bit

00:54:12.560 here

00:54:12.760 you described

00:54:13.880 yourself on

00:54:14.400 the show

00:54:14.880 as a black

00:54:16.360 feminist

00:54:17.080 can you explain

00:54:18.600 that

00:54:18.980 I might not

00:54:20.580 that was trolling

00:54:21.440 come on

00:54:21.900 I might not

00:54:22.360 have used it

00:54:22.940 completely

00:54:23.320 in the correct

00:54:24.280 the correct

00:54:26.060 way that it's

00:54:26.760 meant to be

00:54:27.280 I'm basically

00:54:27.860 just an

00:54:28.300 intersectional

00:54:28.960 feminist

00:54:29.360 but

00:54:30.220 black feminism

00:54:32.100 as a field

00:54:32.800 of academia

00:54:33.460 is

00:54:34.180 genuinely

00:54:35.520 studied

00:54:36.040 in the

00:54:36.760 in a similar

00:54:37.640 context

00:54:39.040 or definition

00:54:39.620 that I posed

00:54:40.380 with intersectional

00:54:41.240 feminism

00:54:41.660 it's just

00:54:43.240 I'd say

00:54:43.620 it's more

00:54:44.060 prioritized

00:54:45.140 on the

00:54:46.160 the oppression

00:54:49.300 of black

00:54:50.120 women

00:54:50.500 rather than

00:54:51.560 other races

00:54:52.320 so can you

00:54:53.960 tell me

00:54:54.300 so you

00:54:55.040 you're

00:54:55.520 practicing

00:54:56.000 intersectionalists

00:54:57.060 yes

00:54:57.920 okay

00:54:58.420 so can you

00:54:59.520 tell me

00:54:59.840 which is

00:55:00.220 more oppressed

00:55:00.880 a black

00:55:02.400 lesbian

00:55:03.760 or

00:55:05.060 a

00:55:06.540 native

00:55:07.340 american

00:55:07.860 homosexual

00:55:08.440 male

00:55:08.920 you can't

00:55:09.640 quantify

00:55:10.060 oppression

00:55:10.680 then what's

00:55:13.140 the

00:55:13.260 I don't

00:55:13.580 understand

00:55:13.860 what is

00:55:14.180 intersectionality

00:55:15.420 it's

00:55:16.940 understanding

00:55:18.360 the multiple

00:55:19.060 cleavages

00:55:19.540 that make up

00:55:20.440 a person's

00:55:21.660 identity

00:55:22.040 in society

00:55:22.800 cleavages

00:55:23.460 yeah

00:55:24.160 not like

00:55:25.060 not like

00:55:26.540 breasts

00:55:27.000 cleavages

00:55:27.820 like political

00:55:28.700 science word

00:55:29.360 like

00:55:30.020 social

00:55:31.120 cleavages

00:55:31.700 like

00:55:32.280 let's say

00:55:33.420 white

00:55:34.240 man

00:55:35.140 straight

00:55:35.940 those

00:55:36.580 are all

00:55:36.880 different

00:55:37.220 cleavages

00:55:37.620 but just

00:55:38.140 so that

00:55:38.580 we're

00:55:38.760 clear

00:55:39.140 blacks

00:55:39.720 are not

00:55:40.100 as oppressed

00:55:40.620 as whites

00:55:41.180 or I'm

00:55:42.060 sorry

00:55:42.240 whites

00:55:42.520 are not

00:55:42.740 as oppressed

00:55:43.100 as blacks

00:55:43.580 as blacks

00:55:43.600 right

00:55:43.800 in america

00:55:45.940 i would

00:55:47.600 say no

00:55:48.020 whites

00:55:49.120 are not

00:55:49.520 as oppressed

00:55:51.200 as black

00:55:51.540 people

00:55:51.800 in america

00:55:52.460 in america

00:55:54.980 yes

00:55:55.540 okay so

00:55:58.140 so just

00:55:58.640 so we're

00:55:58.880 clear

00:55:59.200 inside the

00:56:01.540 united states

00:56:02.280 black people

00:56:03.380 are oppressed

00:56:04.080 more than

00:56:04.800 white people

00:56:05.360 yes

00:56:05.820 okay but i

00:56:06.620 thought you

00:56:06.880 just said

00:56:07.200 that you

00:56:07.500 could not

00:56:08.040 quantify

00:56:08.680 oppression

00:56:09.320 yeah

00:56:09.940 saying something

00:56:10.820 is more

00:56:11.520 than the

00:56:11.840 other doesn't

00:56:12.240 mean you

00:56:12.460 can quantify

00:56:13.000 it

00:56:13.420 so then

00:56:14.460 how the hell

00:56:14.860 do you know

00:56:15.180 it's true

00:56:15.640 if it can't

00:56:16.060 be quantified

00:56:16.740 a lot of

00:56:18.160 things can't

00:56:18.540 be quantified

00:56:19.120 they're

00:56:19.340 abstractions

00:56:20.060 it's based

00:56:20.460 on someone's

00:56:20.940 feelings

00:56:21.260 how oppressed

00:56:21.800 they are

00:56:22.360 so what

00:56:23.920 you're saying

00:56:24.440 it can't

00:56:25.740 be quantified

00:56:26.560 but you just

00:56:27.360 made it as a

00:56:28.140 statement of

00:56:28.580 truth that it

00:56:29.100 is if someone

00:56:29.620 walks up to

00:56:30.360 you and says

00:56:31.100 you're an old

00:56:32.180 white man and

00:56:32.840 spits in your

00:56:33.420 face that's an

00:56:34.120 act of you

00:56:35.160 know oppression

00:56:35.760 or discrimination

00:56:36.380 or whatever how

00:56:37.160 are you quantifying

00:56:38.040 that well i'm

00:56:39.800 not i wouldn't

00:56:40.680 say that i would

00:56:41.460 be more or less

00:56:42.300 oppressed than

00:56:43.060 somebody else but

00:56:43.800 you just did you

00:56:45.060 just said this

00:56:46.100 group is more

00:56:47.280 oppressed than

00:56:47.780 this group that's

00:56:48.620 a quantification

00:56:49.580 after you just got

00:56:51.040 done saying it's

00:56:51.720 something which

00:56:52.100 cannot be

00:56:52.600 quantified you

00:56:53.440 were comparing

00:56:54.000 two individuals

00:56:54.980 before no i

00:56:56.380 said whites i

00:56:57.560 said blacks in

00:56:58.220 the united states

00:56:58.820 are more

00:56:59.340 oppressed yeah but

00:57:00.020 prior to that you

00:57:01.200 were saying a

00:57:01.780 black lesbian and

00:57:02.920 a native whatever

00:57:04.240 man or whatever

00:57:05.200 you were about to

00:57:05.840 say yeah i know

00:57:06.540 but those are

00:57:07.060 individuals can't be

00:57:08.440 quantified for

00:57:09.540 individuals i i mean

00:57:11.300 i would also say

00:57:12.040 that for groups

00:57:12.660 of people but

00:57:13.180 you can say

00:57:13.760 historically there

00:57:14.660 are trends of

00:57:15.380 which races have

00:57:16.720 been given more

00:57:18.940 like you know

00:57:20.000 uh obstacles in

00:57:21.900 life but it can't

00:57:22.820 be quantified

00:57:23.480 yes person to

00:57:25.720 person at least

00:57:26.560 like what are you

00:57:27.360 going to say like

00:57:27.940 oh i've experienced

00:57:28.860 350 acts of

00:57:30.300 discrimination and

00:57:31.100 they've experienced

00:57:31.800 360 i mean if it

00:57:33.440 can't be quantified

00:57:34.400 then how can you

00:57:35.260 say it is a true

00:57:35.940 statement that whites

00:57:36.980 are more oppressed

00:57:37.420 than blacks or vice

00:57:39.000 versa it's a

00:57:40.900 historical trend

00:57:41.960 based on the power

00:57:43.320 that's vested in

00:57:44.120 institutions to make

00:57:45.240 laws that differently

00:57:46.480 apply to different

00:57:47.240 groups of people in

00:57:48.000 society yeah i

00:57:49.460 understand the

00:57:50.400 explanation that

00:57:51.700 there were laws

00:57:52.440 which are tailored

00:57:53.060 against this group

00:57:53.980 of people over this

00:57:54.880 group of people that

00:57:56.000 sounds like you're

00:57:56.960 quantifying it okay

00:57:59.780 uh what number did

00:58:02.220 i just quantify it

00:58:03.380 with well i don't

00:58:04.500 know but i would

00:58:05.040 think that if you

00:58:05.800 had x amount of

00:58:06.660 laws that you could

00:58:08.560 count them okay

00:58:10.340 and then if you

00:58:11.000 had an x amount

00:58:11.660 of laws on the

00:58:12.360 other side you

00:58:13.060 could count those

00:58:13.780 two and that would

00:58:14.760 be quantifying it

00:58:15.640 right i don't have

00:58:16.060 a full count of

00:58:16.880 them but i could

00:58:17.400 give you a few

00:58:17.980 examples no but

00:58:19.140 what i'm saying is

00:58:19.940 is that if that's

00:58:20.900 true that you can

00:58:21.820 quantify laws you

00:58:23.260 can count how many

00:58:24.200 laws were oppressive

00:58:25.180 to this group versus

00:58:26.760 how many laws were

00:58:27.500 oppressive to this

00:58:28.280 group how's that not

00:58:29.660 quantifying it but

00:58:30.740 it's the the thing is

00:58:31.600 it's not just laws

00:58:32.440 there's a variety of

00:58:33.480 other variables that

00:58:34.320 you're not taking

00:58:34.840 into account well

00:58:35.860 it sounds like if

00:58:36.760 it's a variable can

00:58:37.800 it be quantified

00:58:38.680 yes but you can't

00:58:40.900 quantify all of

00:58:41.940 them because there's

00:58:42.580 just it well which

00:58:43.720 variables can't we

00:58:44.700 quantify this just

00:58:47.060 happens to be my

00:58:47.820 belief i'm being like

00:58:49.360 idealistic i'm saying

00:58:50.640 there's ideas that

00:58:52.360 oppress people people

00:58:53.540 are oppressed by

00:58:54.240 their ideas that they

00:58:55.020 hold in their day-to-day

00:58:55.840 lives and those cannot

00:58:57.120 be quantified so you

00:58:59.820 can go back and ask me

00:59:00.900 the lesbian question

00:59:01.780 okay hang on

00:59:02.500 hang on people have

00:59:04.160 ideas in their daily

00:59:05.880 lives which cannot be

00:59:07.240 quantified which

00:59:08.260 oppress them would

00:59:09.360 you say if you had a

00:59:10.280 conception of yourself

00:59:11.360 if you thought you were

00:59:12.700 a woman let's say let's

00:59:14.220 say you're still a man

00:59:16.300 physically you're still

00:59:17.620 completely a man but

00:59:18.340 you thought you were a

00:59:19.100 woman and you woke up

00:59:20.360 every day thinking yes

00:59:22.600 i'm a woman i'm

00:59:23.340 biologically a woman

00:59:24.400 whatever i was born a

00:59:26.020 woman would you act the

00:59:28.580 same as you do now

00:59:29.900 what i act is um well

00:59:33.060 no that would be

00:59:33.520 impossible there would

00:59:34.660 be if i picked up a

00:59:36.080 penny every single

00:59:37.040 morning um i wouldn't

00:59:39.440 be acting the same way

00:59:40.360 i do right now because

00:59:41.640 i don't pick up a penny

00:59:42.460 every single morning

00:59:43.260 i'm saying would you

00:59:44.180 continue to carry

00:59:44.860 yourself in the same

00:59:45.640 manner you do now i

00:59:46.700 wouldn't if i picked up

00:59:47.660 a penny every morning

00:59:48.540 if you thought you were

00:59:49.400 a woman yeah no but

00:59:51.900 that would be true for

00:59:52.560 any behavior so any

00:59:54.420 deviation behavior would

00:59:55.600 make me how far would

00:59:56.460 you deviate though are

00:59:57.780 you gonna start adopting

00:59:58.760 more womanly roles like

00:59:59.920 you well that is

01:00:01.480 something we there's

01:00:02.720 no way to make a

01:00:03.620 determination of i'm

01:00:05.700 i'm saying theoretically

01:00:07.000 if you were a woman

01:00:09.260 would you change your

01:00:10.740 behavior from how you

01:00:11.920 act as a man it's a

01:00:15.180 simple question yeah of

01:00:16.140 course yes but that

01:00:17.760 would be true of all

01:00:18.680 behavior oh so the

01:00:20.140 idea of being a woman

01:00:21.460 causes you to change

01:00:22.560 your behavior the idea

01:00:23.740 of any change in

01:00:24.820 behavior necessarily

01:00:25.760 facilitates your behavior

01:00:27.000 changing

01:00:27.420 yes so if ideas can

01:00:30.200 cause people to change

01:00:31.280 their behavior ideas

01:00:32.900 about who a person is

01:00:34.200 in society can change

01:00:35.940 their behavior in

01:00:37.080 physical society so

01:00:39.020 let's say people of

01:00:40.240 certain race manifest

01:00:41.640 itself as x and then

01:00:43.500 we could quantify x

01:00:44.820 what well so wouldn't

01:00:48.140 that wouldn't that

01:00:49.020 manifest itself as some

01:00:50.400 type of grouping of

01:00:51.280 laws or something like

01:00:52.680 this which could be

01:00:53.320 quantified it it could

01:00:55.520 after the fact but i'm

01:00:56.620 saying while it's in

01:00:58.260 someone's head that

01:00:59.040 can't be fully

01:00:59.600 quantified yeah but i

01:01:00.640 mean that would be

01:01:01.480 basically trivially true

01:01:03.280 about everything on

01:01:04.180 planet earth anything

01:01:05.300 which is inside of your

01:01:06.300 head that would not

01:01:07.660 ordinarily be inside your

01:01:08.960 head it would be

01:01:09.780 trivially true that you

01:01:11.380 would be different than

01:01:12.860 how you are right now if

01:01:13.900 you thought a different

01:01:14.440 thought than you do

01:01:15.060 right now regardless of

01:01:16.700 what that was yeah

01:01:17.560 exactly so so i don't

01:01:19.840 really understand it does

01:01:22.880 sound like oppression

01:01:23.740 can be quantified

01:01:24.980 oppression can happen

01:01:27.800 through ideas which

01:01:29.220 are you would concede

01:01:31.280 that ideas are not

01:01:32.200 quantifiable so some

01:01:33.100 forms of oppression

01:01:34.060 like things which are

01:01:35.580 inside of your own

01:01:36.520 head yes some

01:01:37.520 forms that can't be

01:01:38.120 externalized in any way

01:01:39.400 shape or form so

01:01:40.260 therefore we don't

01:01:40.980 really know anything

01:01:41.620 about them they can be

01:01:43.300 externalized i'm

01:01:44.660 speaking right now on

01:01:46.300 my thoughts inside my

01:01:47.340 head and my ideology

01:01:48.420 yeah but i mean if

01:01:49.360 you were going to say

01:01:49.920 for instance that you

01:01:51.020 were a trans black

01:01:52.080 woman right and you

01:01:53.860 were like let's say a

01:01:54.660 white person um that

01:01:56.740 doesn't make me a

01:01:57.380 trans black woman right

01:01:58.940 yeah no but if you

01:02:00.640 you could externalize

01:02:01.880 that with behavior and

01:02:03.180 can we just like count

01:02:04.180 you so we could

01:02:05.260 quantify then how many

01:02:06.580 of you there are and

01:02:07.820 then whatever the

01:02:08.280 negative side effects are

01:02:09.380 based on your joint

01:02:10.580 experiences or whatever

01:02:11.660 it sounds like there's

01:02:12.580 ways you could quantify

01:02:13.400 that it's not realistic

01:02:16.700 at all

01:02:17.780 well i don't i don't

01:02:19.520 see why but i i feel

01:02:21.240 like we're lost in the

01:02:22.080 sauce at this point

01:02:22.880 yeah so um moving on

01:02:25.140 from there i don't

01:02:26.240 really know where the

01:02:26.760 hell we were going

01:02:27.380 with this brian so i

01:02:29.240 don't think he knew

01:02:29.800 either yeah well go

01:02:33.100 ahead i mean we were

01:02:36.480 talking about why um

01:02:40.340 okay you're talking

01:02:41.820 about i was saying

01:02:42.700 ideas can oppress

01:02:43.860 just trying to think of

01:02:45.500 my greater point here

01:02:46.600 ah what were we

01:02:50.000 talking about here i'll

01:02:51.000 ask you a question i can

01:02:52.440 just ask you a question

01:02:53.280 yeah sure so i mean

01:02:56.060 you're feminist you if my

01:02:58.140 understanding is correct

01:02:58.900 your view is that in the

01:03:01.620 united states there's a

01:03:02.720 patriarchy is that

01:03:03.680 correct yes global

01:03:05.620 patriarchy in all

01:03:07.060 countries essentially

01:03:08.220 perhaps stronger in other

01:03:10.120 countries some countries

01:03:12.360 have a stronger patriarchy

01:03:13.420 than others yeah okay

01:03:15.300 and are women oppressed

01:03:18.500 under the patriarchy

01:03:20.440 yes are you oppressed

01:03:24.600 under the patriarchy

01:03:25.540 not legally but yes so

01:03:30.720 what what are some of the

01:03:32.140 ways that you're oppressed

01:03:33.020 okay ways that i'm oppressed

01:03:37.880 under the patriarchy

01:03:39.300 um objectification let's

01:03:45.060 say even though it was

01:03:46.340 enacted by another woman

01:03:47.820 when i came on the show

01:03:49.440 last time she accused

01:03:52.040 someone of trying to see

01:03:54.740 my no-no zone as a female

01:03:58.600 if i was a man i don't think

01:04:01.560 anyone would have accused

01:04:02.680 that at all wait what

01:04:06.100 that doesn't sound like

01:04:07.880 oppression it that sounds

01:04:09.800 kind of bad for the for

01:04:11.080 the yeah that sounds bad

01:04:12.280 for the man not good for

01:04:13.300 the man who that yeah it

01:04:14.880 is bad for the men but

01:04:15.960 what i'm saying is the

01:04:16.840 over-sexualization of

01:04:18.300 women over time has grown

01:04:20.280 to become bad for men

01:04:21.640 because i don't understand

01:04:25.380 how's that you being

01:04:26.820 oppressed by the

01:04:27.520 patriarchy thing that's a

01:04:28.960 universal every woman is a

01:04:30.460 is oppressed by the

01:04:31.340 patriarchy in that sense

01:04:32.660 or i guess i don't want to

01:04:33.740 that would be the opposite

01:04:34.960 okay i don't want to say

01:04:35.880 you gotta take this chart

01:04:37.600 and you gotta flip it over

01:04:38.720 right every woman

01:04:39.680 experiences sexism in the

01:04:42.200 fact that they're typically

01:04:43.920 seen as objects of

01:04:46.000 attraction before objects of

01:04:47.980 intelligence what so i i

01:04:50.860 don't know like like even i

01:04:53.500 had a comment yeah usually

01:04:55.980 women are like physical

01:04:57.320 trophies rather than their

01:04:59.280 value is based you've said

01:05:00.420 this before in the last

01:05:01.220 podcast their values based

01:05:02.500 on their fertility rather

01:05:03.480 than their intellect that is

01:05:05.360 one value okay for

01:05:07.220 attractiveness the

01:05:08.180 patriarchy how does the

01:05:10.120 patriarchy impact me yeah

01:05:11.740 oppress you oppress you

01:05:13.360 based on what we were

01:05:15.300 talking about last time you

01:05:16.580 guys think that a good

01:05:18.480 woman is a mother right and

01:05:21.060 a wife right did we even

01:05:26.620 make that i'm not sure that

01:05:28.720 no there could be good

01:05:30.740 women who cannot be

01:05:32.100 mothers tons of them there

01:05:34.600 could be so what are they

01:05:35.620 supposed to do in life if

01:05:36.820 they don't like get a job i

01:05:39.440 mean they can do all sorts of

01:05:40.440 things in life absent having a

01:05:42.160 job i mean they can still be

01:05:43.240 married and still be taken

01:05:44.060 care of by their husbands and

01:05:46.000 they could still adopt they

01:05:47.360 could say all sorts of things

01:05:48.560 okay but i'm saying like you

01:05:51.220 think that a woman's role is to

01:05:52.440 be a caretaker in the home you

01:05:54.240 don't think a woman should go

01:05:55.340 out and be president of the

01:05:56.660 united states no i don't

01:05:58.020 think that well i can't even

01:05:59.540 get into that but let's just

01:06:00.820 say no generally speaking yes

01:06:03.600 i think that women are happy

01:06:05.240 healthier uh at home rather

01:06:07.800 than in the workforce because

01:06:09.220 they all fucking hate it and

01:06:10.960 every time they get pulled on

01:06:11.960 it they don't like fucking

01:06:12.960 working they don't like

01:06:14.160 working long hours they don't

01:06:15.620 like working they don't like

01:06:17.420 do you like working yeah you

01:06:19.280 do i come on really find it to

01:06:22.540 be more i'd rather have a

01:06:23.780 fulfilling career in my future

01:06:25.100 than a family stay at home

01:06:27.220 all day no i i mean i would

01:06:29.660 are you going to outsource

01:06:30.660 you the care of your kids to

01:06:32.020 venezuela to a venezuelan

01:06:33.500 woman named uh marcy or like

01:06:35.640 what do you know is that what

01:06:37.460 you're going to do or are you

01:06:38.240 going to stay home with your

01:06:38.900 kids why doesn't my husband

01:06:40.660 stay home uh well because

01:06:43.040 generally speaking men tend to

01:06:45.040 be able to make a lot more

01:06:45.960 money because they work a lot

01:06:47.280 more hours actually women tend

01:06:49.560 i'm pretty sure uh more women

01:06:52.420 have college degrees than men

01:06:53.720 do and today's society that's

01:06:55.300 typically an indicator of

01:06:56.640 earning potential um yeah it's

01:06:58.860 true that doesn't mean they

01:06:59.660 make more money but what i'm

01:07:00.960 saying is a woman is could

01:07:02.460 very easily today have a higher

01:07:04.640 paying job than her husband

01:07:05.920 she could yeah but they

01:07:07.800 usually don't marry men when

01:07:10.620 men ask the higher paying job

01:07:12.540 that's the big problem there's a

01:07:14.880 what's the evidence for that

01:07:15.880 claim well you can go to a

01:07:17.160 channel called ho math not

01:07:19.440 kidding it's called like

01:07:21.040 called ho math where he

01:07:23.960 breaks all of this down and

01:07:26.340 one of the things that he

01:07:27.180 breaks down and he's using

01:07:28.340 we've had him on the show by

01:07:29.260 the way yeah he's using

01:07:30.380 publicly available data in

01:07:32.220 order to do this is he shows

01:07:34.240 that most women when you look

01:07:35.780 at the earning potential

01:07:36.420 inside of a house where

01:07:37.860 there's wife and then later

01:07:39.660 kids the earning potential of

01:07:41.360 the man almost always higher

01:07:43.240 than a woman before she'll get

01:07:44.880 married to him in fact the

01:07:46.360 reason the fact that this

01:07:47.920 doesn't happen is one of the

01:07:49.360 reasons that people clung on to

01:07:50.740 the idea of hypergamy because

01:07:52.880 it's so commonplace that women

01:07:55.580 will not marry if the social

01:07:59.460 status of the man is less than

01:08:00.940 her including with earning

01:08:02.480 potential

01:08:03.020 can a mother not like earn money

01:08:08.100 and also be a mother yeah i

01:08:10.880 mean that used to be the status

01:08:12.300 quo

01:08:12.680 used to either work out of the

01:08:14.800 home or they would do secretary

01:08:16.060 work or they would do you know

01:08:17.700 education they would do work

01:08:19.620 like that in fact feminism

01:08:22.060 completely failed in its job and

01:08:24.960 its duty and its promise to women

01:08:26.880 that it was going to make the world

01:08:28.260 a safer place for women and

01:08:30.300 children and that it was going to

01:08:33.180 you know give all these different

01:08:35.220 benefits to women it really hasn't

01:08:36.500 given them much we don't want

01:08:37.480 safety we want freedom of choice

01:08:39.240 to make our own choices in society

01:08:41.260 and not be assigned to a role of

01:08:43.560 mother and caretaker that wasn't

01:08:44.800 the promise of feminism the promise

01:08:47.020 of feminism was that society was

01:08:50.340 going to be a lot safer and women

01:08:51.580 were going to be a lot happier you

01:08:53.060 can't give one universal promise of

01:08:54.940 feminism well we can look at what

01:08:57.420 the original suffragettes were

01:08:59.380 pushing for and yeah we we can look

01:09:02.080 at their writings and see what they

01:09:03.300 said and that was one of the big

01:09:04.780 promises of feminism was that they

01:09:06.920 were going to make the world a safer

01:09:08.060 place and that women were going to

01:09:11.500 be happier and every metric we look

01:09:12.960 at women are more miserable than

01:09:14.420 ever and their mental health one in

01:09:17.360 four suffers from a mental illness

01:09:19.000 that's crazy to me one in four women

01:09:21.100 suffers from some kind of mental

01:09:22.420 illness they don't seem like they're

01:09:24.600 happier and more well-adjusted they

01:09:26.740 seem like they're more miserable and

01:09:28.220 not well-adjusted and while it's true

01:09:29.900 that you can sit here and tell me that

01:09:31.420 you love working I literally don't

01:09:33.940 believe you because nobody loves

01:09:34.980 working nobody loves it like very few

01:09:37.580 people you just happen to be like for

01:09:39.620 instance how many hours did you work

01:09:41.720 last week was it 60 was it 50 was it

01:09:45.940 less than 40 I'm literally a full-time

01:09:49.180 student it was not 40 50 or 60 right

01:09:52.080 maybe 15 about that but that's not

01:09:56.060 relevant to the point it the point is

01:09:58.160 that if I enjoy going out and doing my

01:10:00.260 career more than I do taking care of the

01:10:02.000 kids at home then why am I tied down to

01:10:03.860 that outcome just because I'm

01:10:05.020 physically weaker that's never were

01:10:06.760 tied down to that outcome you could

01:10:08.480 just not get you could just not get

01:10:10.600 married but if you are married the

01:10:13.240 optimal system if you actually value

01:10:16.120 your children is to stay at home with

01:10:17.880 them how are they going to get better

01:10:19.240 results than their mother at home with

01:10:20.840 them whether father worse that is the

01:10:22.660 most odd if you can give me a more

01:10:24.620 optimal system for raising children

01:10:26.320 than mom at home all dad works I'd love

01:10:27.940 to hear it a more optimal system for

01:10:31.900 raising children yeah both parents at

01:10:35.020 home neither work but that would be

01:10:39.020 entailed impossible right for most

01:10:41.000 people what's the difference between

01:10:42.180 that and having dad take care of the

01:10:44.000 kids I'll ask your next question just

01:10:46.920 like I've been answering all of your

01:10:48.280 questions but answer mine can you

01:10:50.240 actually think of a better system than

01:10:52.480 mom at home with the kids and dad

01:10:54.000 working what could possibly be more

01:10:55.640 optimal for the children than that for

01:10:59.220 the children

01:11:00.120 having two moms

01:11:04.440 that would be more optimal they

01:11:08.360 probably get nurtured better you guys

01:11:09.700 say mothers are better caretakers

01:11:11.440 so I didn't want to make sure I got

01:11:15.520 this right first of all you would you

01:11:17.920 the babies would have to come from

01:11:19.780 somewhere right I thought adoption was

01:11:21.960 a huge thing that you just talked

01:11:23.020 about but even if if we were to

01:11:24.760 entail that let's just say I granted

01:11:26.820 your argument and two moms would be

01:11:28.580 optimal based on them adopting

01:11:30.160 children there's only going to be X

01:11:32.140 amount of lesbians which is a very

01:11:33.600 small demographic and X amount of

01:11:35.440 children to adopt which is also small

01:11:38.160 demographic so that still could not

01:11:42.200 actually be optimal even if I granted

01:11:44.500 that it was better in certain

01:11:46.300 circumstance it could not actually be

01:11:48.020 optimal for most of society to do this

01:11:49.980 that would not be optimal and neither is

01:11:51.880 a woman staying at home and a man going

01:11:54.000 out and working because

01:11:55.180 increasingly more we see the need for

01:11:58.680 women to go out and work

01:12:00.040 no we don't if women retracted from the

01:12:03.680 marketplace tomorrow and stay at home

01:12:06.200 men's wages would necessarily double or

01:12:08.320 triple okay

01:12:09.580 so if all women didn't work and their

01:12:14.800 rights were attached to the men that

01:12:16.960 were next to them what if their husband

01:12:19.340 dies then they wouldn't do what has

01:12:22.340 always been done and be able to inherit

01:12:23.860 land like I can give you an example of

01:12:25.760 this happening

01:12:26.360 George you know who George Washington

01:12:28.500 was

01:12:29.020 yes who was he

01:12:32.100 the first president of the United States

01:12:36.680 yeah he was married to Martha Washington

01:12:39.380 and they had a big falling out at one

01:12:42.360 point in their marriage because she

01:12:44.340 didn't want to free her slaves which

01:12:45.800 she inherited

01:12:46.380 as part of a giant estate she didn't

01:12:49.700 want to free him and he couldn't make

01:12:50.980 her

01:12:51.140 because women have always been allowed

01:12:53.080 to own property that's never been a

01:12:54.940 problem

01:12:55.260 and if if the man dies though they

01:12:58.880 always were able to inherit his

01:13:01.000 that's why she was able to inherit from

01:13:03.140 her father

01:13:03.680 what about bank accounts and credit

01:13:05.380 cards

01:13:05.760 what about them

01:13:06.320 that's a very recent development

01:13:07.800 that's true but do you know when it

01:13:09.320 came to credit cards why it was that

01:13:11.420 women didn't have credit cards it's

01:13:13.360 because men were responsible for

01:13:14.900 their debt women couldn't incur debt

01:13:16.660 it was illegal so women couldn't go

01:13:18.900 with a credit card and spend at a

01:13:20.560 store

01:13:20.860 the man if she did the man was

01:13:23.660 responsible for everything she spent

01:13:25.340 for her husband

01:13:26.160 so that actually made a lot of sense

01:13:28.260 especially if women aren't working

01:13:29.740 they might need lines of credit but

01:13:32.120 that would fall to the men so women

01:13:34.180 needed to go get whatever they

01:13:35.240 needed put it on their man's

01:13:36.920 account that would take care of

01:13:38.580 that pretty good system and if it

01:13:41.180 comes to what's optimal for

01:13:42.680 doesn't that seem like it's pretty

01:13:44.020 optimal

01:13:44.320 black flame nova donated $200 i wish

01:13:47.840 more woman on this show were like

01:13:49.560 you

01:13:49.860 even though you're a feminist at

01:13:51.740 least you're respectful listen and

01:13:53.540 have a good chat also props to

01:13:56.280 andrew for handling this so well

01:13:58.320 haters can shut up now

01:14:00.440 yeah anyway i don't know where we

01:14:03.940 were at

01:14:04.340 but yeah we were just discussing why

01:14:07.140 that was with credit cards and bank

01:14:08.880 accounts made a lot of sense

01:14:10.060 yeah but that's you you guys were

01:14:15.160 asking me to list examples of like

01:14:17.380 patriarchy or oppression that's one

01:14:18.680 of them

01:14:18.980 right being unable to it doesn't

01:14:21.220 sound very oppressive manage your own

01:14:22.620 finances that doesn't sound very

01:14:24.180 oppressive it sounds like you can

01:14:25.660 just go get whatever the hell you

01:14:26.700 want and somebody else has to pay for

01:14:28.360 it i don't know why that would be

01:14:30.080 oppression that sounds like the

01:14:31.440 opposite of oppression like if you

01:14:32.880 were to go to a man do you think

01:14:34.000 and you said

01:14:34.500 listen you're gonna stay at home

01:14:37.580 you don't even have any children

01:14:39.780 okay but you get to stay home and

01:14:41.860 not work

01:14:42.440 and you can go out and buy whatever

01:14:44.000 the fuck you want

01:14:44.820 and you're never responsible for the

01:14:47.300 debt of whatever it is you go and

01:14:48.780 buy

01:14:49.000 you think that they would think that

01:14:50.980 that you were oppressing them

01:14:52.380 you make too many generalizations men

01:14:54.760 nowadays aren't doing that for

01:14:55.980 women women yeah i have to have

01:14:58.440 financial stability i know that

01:14:59.740 they're not doing that for women

01:15:01.300 but it you were just complaining

01:15:03.160 about this law that they couldn't

01:15:04.620 have credit cards or bank accounts

01:15:06.140 yeah and i was explaining to you

01:15:07.220 why that law existed makes a lot of

01:15:08.960 sense why it existed because you're

01:15:11.380 tying everything to a single income

01:15:13.220 for the family and the optimal system

01:15:15.740 and what was what was pushed inside

01:15:17.580 of society and what's been tried to

01:15:18.880 be dismantled by feminists and

01:15:20.160 nuclear family but we used to push

01:15:22.280 the nuclear family and so in order to

01:15:24.320 make that optimal which is dad mom

01:15:26.360 children you had to tie everything to

01:15:28.660 one income and people used to be able

01:15:30.280 to afford to get a single car every

01:15:32.300 couple of years they'd be able to go

01:15:33.900 out get a brand new car they can't

01:15:35.400 they need a woman's income because

01:15:37.240 women mother's income because

01:15:38.680 feminism under rich industrialist

01:15:40.860 flooded the market with cheap factory

01:15:43.000 labor which is what industrialist

01:15:45.220 wanted cheap ass factory labor and

01:15:48.200 that's where women came from cheap

01:15:49.820 ass factory labor and that's what they

01:15:51.580 cared about that's why they never

01:15:52.940 gave them the vote people knew it even

01:15:54.920 then and that's why the 19th was

01:15:57.060 passed rather than a referendum state

01:15:59.400 by state I'm I might agree with that

01:16:04.600 but my argument would be when men go to

01:16:08.720 war who is supposed to work in the

01:16:10.460 factories well in that case it was

01:16:12.680 still mostly men who were designing

01:16:14.420 weapons things like this what women

01:16:15.900 were doing for low-skilled jobs they'd

01:16:18.300 put screws in packs they'd work on an

01:16:20.540 assembly line putting a bolt in

01:16:22.260 something they were doing kind of the

01:16:24.060 menial labor jobs yeah but those menial

01:16:26.700 labor jobs would still have well paid

01:16:30.460 less than who the soldiers who were

01:16:32.220 drafted and had to go off to war were

01:16:34.300 often getting paid far less than what

01:16:35.980 they were making at their jobs so yeah

01:16:38.840 which would mean women need to work

01:16:40.400 even harder to provide for their family

01:16:42.200 during that time if men are being

01:16:44.000 prescripted now women have to manage the

01:16:46.240 finances of the home complain that there

01:16:48.280 was a yoking where well wait women made

01:16:50.880 less than men it's like I didn't

01:16:52.420 complain I just stated a fact could

01:16:54.800 also they would also make less than if

01:16:57.620 they had stayed in those jobs so it

01:16:59.560 seems like that's a sacrifice that they

01:17:03.020 should kind of be willing to make right

01:17:04.440 okay yeah but we've conceded that there

01:17:06.880 are times like wartime where women have

01:17:09.120 to take on a financially providing role

01:17:11.280 for family instead of going and dying

01:17:13.180 terrible it's awful that's I mean man

01:17:16.180 it sounds like they really had it rough

01:17:17.940 yeah but that's not the point is who

01:17:20.780 has it harder it's that shouldn't women

01:17:23.020 be able to have independent control over

01:17:25.200 their finances from the beginning then

01:17:26.700 well even in wartime right when it when

01:17:29.960 it came to this what control do you think

01:17:32.460 that they didn't have they're still able

01:17:34.440 to access these accounts it just weren't

01:17:36.340 responsible for them they could get a

01:17:38.780 bank account just through their husband's

01:17:40.880 name they just weren't responsible for

01:17:42.900 the debt yeah so if they got too much

01:17:45.360 debt for their husband I bet they would

01:17:46.720 come home and their husband would beat

01:17:47.900 the shit out of them you don't see

01:17:49.440 kind of argument is that husbands

01:17:51.040 weren't coming they were coming home

01:17:52.580 and fucking them they weren't coming

01:17:54.020 home they weren't coming home and

01:17:55.900 beating them they were coming home and

01:17:57.240 making you think the first thing they

01:17:59.140 thought when they got home was hey

01:18:00.780 baby where's all my money smack smack

01:18:03.240 smack or do you think that if they

01:18:04.520 hadn't seen a woman that they haven't

01:18:07.500 seen a woman after multiple years in a

01:18:09.700 war theater and they got home what do

01:18:11.340 you think they were thinking about

01:18:12.680 because I got to tell you I don't

01:18:14.200 think it was about where did the money

01:18:15.820 just mean in a war theater I mean just

01:18:17.600 like from a day at work they come home

01:18:19.280 the wife spent too much of your money

01:18:20.660 they're gonna they're gonna beat the

01:18:21.980 wife up the Bible says they don't be

01:18:23.960 the Bible says to raise your hand at

01:18:25.920 your wife if she disobeys you should be

01:18:27.620 able to demonstrate or show that women

01:18:31.060 were being abused at these much higher

01:18:33.220 rates especially domestically they were

01:18:35.380 not but what is happening is that

01:18:37.600 children are now abused at a much

01:18:39.260 higher rate because feminism has

01:18:40.800 broken up the nuclear family so what

01:18:42.920 happens is women will they'll have most

01:18:46.080 almost all children now not all I'm

01:18:48.220 sorry but almost over half last I

01:18:50.240 checked are not born in wedlock anymore

01:18:53.400 the children which are born single

01:18:56.200 motherhood is at an all-time high and

01:18:58.560 it's going to continue to increase and

01:19:00.080 what happens is if you bring in a

01:19:01.420 non-biological parent into the home the

01:19:03.560 chance of abuse for your children

01:19:04.920 drastically increases I mean it

01:19:07.660 drastically increases with a non-biological

01:19:09.940 male parent stepdad you're putting the

01:19:12.660 responsibility of women on the lack of

01:19:14.480 fathers but you have to know that it's

01:19:16.420 not completely on the responsibility of

01:19:18.440 women well I'm not saying that women

01:19:21.680 bear a full burden or responsibility for

01:19:25.300 you know a man abusing them so they they

01:19:28.580 have to get a divorce or you know any

01:19:31.240 number of these different cases but what

01:19:32.680 I am saying is that women are far more

01:19:34.420 likely to end these marriages at a much

01:19:36.580 higher percentage you're talking college

01:19:38.420 educated women like you it's as high as

01:19:39.960 90 percent of the marriages which are

01:19:42.440 ended are initiated by them and then

01:19:45.000 you know it's about 67 percent of

01:19:48.640 general marriages are ended by women and

01:19:50.840 it's for irreconcilable differences not

01:19:52.520 for abuse it's not not for abuse not

01:19:55.240 it's you know like number four down the

01:19:57.780 list is money but the first ones are

01:19:59.520 reconcilable differences I just didn't

01:20:01.080 want to be married anymore not because of

01:20:03.900 abuse yeah so I forgot like what point

01:20:12.680 we were trying to build well we were

01:20:14.200 building in feminism being a destructive

01:20:16.160 path to the nuclear family and how that's

01:20:19.140 one of the primary reasons that I oppose

01:20:21.040 it and then I gave you example after

01:20:22.520 example of how it has done that is okay

01:20:26.280 so you're saying because feminism is

01:20:29.300 driving up divorce rates that's why it's

01:20:33.120 destroying the nuclear family that's only

01:20:35.360 one reason the other reason is because now

01:20:38.080 it requires two incomes in order to raise

01:20:40.280 a family which means that more and more

01:20:42.680 women have to send their kids off to public

01:20:44.460 school public school gets extended longer

01:20:46.780 and longer periods of time because it ends

01:20:48.460 up being a babysitting platform for women

01:20:51.220 or for women's children so basically the public

01:20:55.360 schools have now become your built-in babysitter

01:20:59.200 and then you have latchkey kids who come

01:21:01.340 home and you have these two income families

01:21:04.500 rather than having the mom at home which

01:21:06.840 is of course optimal and that's because we

01:21:09.540 have two parents in the workforce and we

01:21:12.020 should really be trying to strive towards

01:21:13.480 just one parent in the workforce that would

01:21:15.940 be optimal for the kids right why does that

01:21:19.360 one parent in the workforce have to be the

01:21:21.300 man well they don't have to be but men can

01:21:25.080 do most of the jobs that require the that

01:21:28.920 infrastructure requires women can still

01:21:30.840 work they work as nurses in fact they work

01:21:33.900 in the same jobs that they kind of work in

01:21:36.420 now they gravitate towards which is service

01:21:38.280 work clerical work nursing but what they

01:21:41.920 don't gravitate towards is working on oil

01:21:44.560 rigs working on shipwrights working on docks

01:21:48.120 working on infrastructure AC control they

01:21:52.820 don't work on any of that stuff and so

01:21:55.060 generally speaking women can be in kind of

01:21:58.340 these support societal roles and that's

01:22:01.220 fine but it would be optimal if we were

01:22:04.460 able to pull them back away from that more

01:22:06.720 and more and more and instead incentivize

01:22:08.740 them to stay at home with their kids

01:22:09.880 because that would drive wages way up that

01:22:12.040 would be very helpful for society and it would

01:22:13.700 be better for the kids more men would have

01:22:16.220 lower paying jobs wouldn't it no wouldn't

01:22:19.220 that be the case no so it's it's just supply

01:22:21.680 and demand so if you have the only cup in

01:22:25.080 the world it's worth a lot more than if

01:22:27.900 everybody has the same cup right yes yeah so

01:22:32.520 it's the same thing here if you reduce the

01:22:35.540 workforce by 50 percent then they're going

01:22:38.480 to be able to demand higher wages for the

01:22:41.180 job vacancies because now jobs are competing

01:22:43.600 for them no jobs wouldn't be oh wait yeah

01:22:52.240 you reduce the work I told you I'm bad at

01:22:54.400 math I don't know okay Brian I don't know

01:23:00.820 where else we go with this man okay

01:23:04.560 Brian pull up lesbian domestic violence

01:23:15.580 statistic images kids in that house and a

01:23:18.140 good woman gets whatever she wants these

01:23:19.700 304s don't get shit yeah so he's saying

01:23:21.920 that the domestic violence for lesbian

01:23:23.640 couples is also through the roof that's

01:23:26.060 true but I was just willing to grant it

01:23:27.840 to show you that it still wouldn't make

01:23:29.500 for the kind of outcome on society that I

01:23:31.560 think we're looking for from a person

01:23:33.220 has the harm principle see this is the

01:23:35.260 thing about a good woman gets what she

01:23:37.300 wants these hoes don't get shit what is

01:23:39.780 the equivalent to that for men like oh a

01:23:44.640 man who makes a lot of money gets what he

01:23:46.320 wants and the rest don't get shit that's

01:23:48.040 not true because okay yeah maybe they can

01:23:50.780 pull less women but in this case you're

01:23:54.120 saying a woman who's bad is subject to

01:23:56.780 being treated worse by their partner being

01:23:59.840 hit being punished for their failures I

01:24:05.120 don't know versus if a man fails he just

01:24:07.660 doesn't get a mate he doesn't get physically

01:24:09.560 abused

01:24:10.180 well I mean if you didn't have a mate you

01:24:15.700 wouldn't get physically abused either

01:24:17.000 right yeah but in this scenario I need a

01:24:20.920 mate in order to have a bank account so

01:24:23.680 well no you get your bank account through

01:24:27.560 your father and tell you how to mate

01:24:29.360 what father yeah well you're the ones who

01:24:34.240 want to destroy that nuclear family so

01:24:36.280 that used to not be such an easy thing to

01:24:39.860 do to let your father walk out let my

01:24:42.620 father there was I let my father not you

01:24:45.020 I'm just saying to let a father walk out on

01:24:47.500 their family let let it's never a father's

01:24:50.680 personal choice to just walk out on his

01:24:52.340 family there's social stigma which is

01:24:54.300 applied often and church stigma which

01:24:56.500 used to be applied often and the state

01:24:58.900 could come in and actually make fathers

01:25:00.980 take care of their children yes they

01:25:02.800 actually did do that not joking okay

01:25:06.440 same goes for like you just said that a

01:25:11.000 man shouldn't wait okay never mind I'm

01:25:14.940 gonna sound stupid okay we have a chat

01:25:17.120 here GR Gracie says blank on one some of

01:25:22.680 these young ladies are very respectful

01:25:24.260 introspective I must ask what convinces a

01:25:27.560 woman that competing in business with men is

01:25:29.860 more important than nurturing the next

01:25:32.500 generation if you'd like to respond

01:25:35.560 that's a good question I think that like I

01:25:41.460 like I said earlier I just have a very

01:25:43.300 individual view and I think that maybe

01:25:45.600 maybe it's kind of a hedonistic view in

01:25:47.600 this sense but people should be able to

01:25:49.060 do whatever maximizes their own

01:25:50.480 happiness and if having a career and

01:25:53.100 being a business owner is like maximizes

01:25:55.300 my happiness more so then you don't

01:25:57.460 believe people should be able to do

01:25:58.660 whatever they want okay not whatever

01:26:00.340 they have to concede to some things in

01:26:02.560 the social construct with the government

01:26:04.020 then why can't they let us make a

01:26:06.540 social contract with the government that

01:26:08.320 requires you to take care of your

01:26:09.620 children and nuclear family and that's

01:26:11.040 what we move to as a society because

01:26:12.540 that's based on the Bible because

01:26:14.140 that's based on the Bible it's not no

01:26:15.600 I'm talking about minimizing harm I'm

01:26:17.440 talking about minimizing harm there's

01:26:19.900 no what okay can you quantify for me

01:26:22.740 how much harm is caused by the nuclear

01:26:24.760 family being broken apart well yeah I

01:26:27.140 can give you tons of metrics I just

01:26:28.560 went over a shitload you want to go

01:26:29.840 through them again yeah sure let's start

01:26:31.420 with the metric of divorce rates

01:26:33.320 increasing the amount of women that

01:26:35.080 are on the pill let's talk but you can't

01:26:37.940 prove that those are being caused by

01:26:40.100 feminism we can we can look at

01:26:42.040 policies going back to when the 19th

01:26:44.260 amendment was ratified and we can see

01:26:45.940 who pushed for no-fault divorce which

01:26:47.400 was feminist we can see who pushed for

01:26:49.200 the pill which was feminist we can

01:26:51.160 actually yes we can actually track we

01:26:53.900 can track all of this data in fact the

01:26:56.020 the CDC does try that about the pill a

01:26:58.760 lot of these data well I think that the

01:27:01.240 pill might be one of the reasons that

01:27:02.780 the mental illness rate women is so high

01:27:04.680 because it fucks their hormones all up

01:27:07.120 okay yeah and the milk you drink doesn't

01:27:11.320 fuck your hormones all up don't even

01:27:12.700 ask me I don't well I don't drink a lot

01:27:14.940 of milk but I can I can understand that

01:27:18.300 but you know there's laws in the books

01:27:19.800 you can't drink raw milk okay but I'm

01:27:22.940 saying there's and there used to be that

01:27:24.860 people could but now there's laws saying

01:27:26.600 you can't and yes you're right there are

01:27:28.500 hormones inside of all types of food

01:27:30.180 that can fuck your hormones up for sure

01:27:31.760 but not nearly as been that's over time

01:27:35.180 plastics will do the same thing we were

01:27:36.620 talking about that earlier I agree with

01:27:38.620 that that's one thing we can find

01:27:40.380 common ground on right foods can have

01:27:42.400 all sorts of hormones antibiotic

01:27:43.820 resistant pathogens in them but that

01:27:48.100 doesn't change the fact that mental

01:27:49.780 mental illness likely is increasing in

01:27:52.740 women due to the fact that so many are

01:27:54.320 on birth control you can't just take a

01:27:56.000 fact and put it next to another fact and

01:27:57.580 say that one causes the other I'm not

01:27:59.260 saying reasoning there's no argument

01:28:01.200 being made that one is not valid

01:28:03.040 premises for the argument well we'll try

01:28:04.840 this then do you think when it comes to

01:28:10.080 reproduction that the pill has decreased

01:28:13.640 reproduction in women

01:28:14.680 has decreased I couldn't tell you but it

01:28:21.240 is a preventative measure you don't think

01:28:24.660 it's it's reduced reproduction yes it has

01:28:28.840 it has if everyone I don't know it's

01:28:32.220 just a correlate you can't just put one

01:28:34.260 thing next to another thing and then make

01:28:36.720 this bold claim that correlation makes

01:28:39.020 causation right if every woman was to

01:28:43.100 have been taken off of birth control

01:28:45.320 from the beginning of its creation and

01:28:47.720 had sex all those times until now without

01:28:50.260 the birth control there would be a lot

01:28:52.440 more babies born but that's still just a

01:28:54.540 correlate right I just explained to you

01:28:57.880 how one causes the other because the

01:28:59.660 birth control literally yeah but all

01:29:01.660 pregnancy but all causes just use strong

01:29:05.420 correlates all of them just so you know go go

01:29:09.460 back to what you were saying what was the

01:29:10.780 point you were making you said the point

01:29:13.120 that I was making was that the nuclear

01:29:14.860 family and the damage which has been

01:29:16.880 caused by us getting away from nuclear

01:29:18.500 family can be quantified and then I was

01:29:20.860 explaining the ways in which it can be keep

01:29:22.860 going so one of the things that I brought

01:29:24.700 up was mental illness in women and the

01:29:27.000 fact that so many women who are on

01:29:30.580 antidepressants especially they're able

01:29:32.960 to correlate that with the fact that

01:29:34.880 they're on birth control how do you know

01:29:36.320 that they're not depressed because of

01:29:38.200 outside reasons because they take them

01:29:40.040 off the birth control pills and they

01:29:41.400 become less depressed that's how oh yeah

01:29:44.620 do you have a study for that no did you

01:29:46.340 have a study for the correlatory that you

01:29:48.580 just gave no but it makes sense right but

01:29:52.600 yours okay that's fine uh but yes there

01:29:57.600 is data there is data for that any other

01:30:00.160 quantifiable there's tons there can be

01:30:02.420 genetics involved if you come from a

01:30:04.780 single-family household that seems to

01:30:06.380 have more of an impact on girls unless

01:30:09.260 the girls are raised by the fathers and

01:30:10.900 then if they're raised by the fathers

01:30:11.980 instead of their mothers it seems what is

01:30:13.760 your evidence for the claim that a

01:30:15.960 single-family influences girls more

01:30:18.480 heavily I mean a single-parent family

01:30:20.360 because single-parent well that's not

01:30:23.380 my claim so my claim was in a single

01:30:26.240 parent family where there's a woman

01:30:28.180 single mom who's running the family the

01:30:31.440 outcomes for the children including

01:30:32.640 mental illness seem to be worse than if

01:30:34.220 there's a single dad the outcomes still

01:30:36.620 aren't good they're not like optimal it's

01:30:38.920 not it's not what you'd like to see they

01:30:40.860 seem to be better from a single father

01:30:42.660 household when it comes to mental

01:30:43.900 illness than a single mom household when

01:30:47.320 it comes to mental illness in the kids

01:30:48.560 because single father households tend

01:30:50.320 to make more money no yes no yes it's

01:30:54.200 true because look it up that that is

01:30:56.140 true father household but you're leaving

01:30:57.840 a big variable out of there which is that

01:31:01.620 the state aid which comes in to single

01:31:04.280 mothers along with child support will

01:31:06.060 often compensate for that income gap this

01:31:08.540 would include food money free health

01:31:10.360 care trust me I know all about it yeah

01:31:12.660 but I mean it does it does compensate so

01:31:14.860 if a man makes four dollars and have on

01:31:16.980 average more per hour than you know a

01:31:20.080 single mother that will disqualify him

01:31:23.080 from potentially hundreds of dollars in

01:31:25.260 food aid plus free health care on

01:31:27.060 Medicaid yes but so that's a bad argument

01:31:31.300 that state aid exists so heavily is

01:31:33.740 because historically men have discouraged

01:31:37.180 women from working and encouraged them to

01:31:39.540 be mothers they're less capable to work

01:31:42.060 and high earning jobs therefore they need

01:31:44.360 more welfare when their husbands die or

01:31:46.560 leave I'm not even beating up the

01:31:48.140 welfare men can qualify for the same

01:31:50.100 welfare if they make less I'm pointing

01:31:52.100 out that your argument that the reason

01:31:54.200 there's less mental illness inside of the

01:31:56.180 children is because mommy doesn't make as

01:31:59.840 much money as daddy would when it's clearly

01:32:02.220 compensated for by state aid would you say

01:32:04.560 a section 8 apartment is the same as an

01:32:06.400 apartment paid for by daddy's salary yeah

01:32:09.980 but daddy but here's the thing no in the

01:32:12.420 neighborhood that they're living in oh

01:32:13.840 that's okay so most of the men who would

01:32:16.740 be involved with a woman who's in section

01:32:18.800 8 housing would also be in section 8

01:32:20.740 housing but that's not it is what I said

01:32:23.500 that the men I didn't say that they were

01:32:25.280 together I said that men tend to be higher

01:32:28.040 earners yeah that's true but most of the

01:32:30.240 women who are single moms are not living in

01:32:31.920 section 8 housing and the other thing to

01:32:34.900 look at not even close not even close are

01:32:38.440 they living most single moms living in

01:32:40.060 section 8 housing not even in the same

01:32:41.500 universe true they could be living in more

01:32:44.200 poverty conditions maybe you know barely

01:32:47.700 making ends meet for their three-bedroom

01:32:49.940 apartment or their two-bedroom apartment

01:32:52.020 for their kids but the dads have to deal

01:32:54.480 with the same exact thing it's just that if

01:32:56.580 they are earning more then mothers are

01:32:59.060 compensated for that lack of earning the

01:33:01.840 government yeah you think Medicaid is as

01:33:04.980 high quality as Medicaid private health

01:33:08.020 insurance yes Medicaid some of the best

01:33:10.040 insurance on planet earth along with

01:33:11.600 Medicare it's fantastic then why don't we

01:33:14.280 universalize it because then we basically a

01:33:18.520 subset of the population would have to be

01:33:20.940 paying for everybody's shit which right now

01:33:24.160 still not optimal that we have to pay for

01:33:25.900 everybody's shit that's why because you

01:33:27.700 can't afford it because universalization in

01:33:30.220 Canada did not work out very well and

01:33:32.280 that's why people go to hospitals which are

01:33:35.540 privately owned even though they're not

01:33:36.760 supposed to they just turn a blind eye so

01:33:38.660 that people can get their health care that's

01:33:40.120 why but that aside moving back to this I'm

01:33:43.820 not gonna let you evade this your claim was

01:33:47.120 that single moms make for more mentally ill

01:33:50.840 children because of this earning gap I

01:33:55.020 didn't say that did because and I all I

01:33:57.680 said it could be a factor no what happened

01:34:00.000 was I asked I said one in four with the

01:34:03.360 single mom reason for that is because they

01:34:06.680 make a lot less money but that's not really

01:34:10.680 true then I can backpedal that's not the

01:34:13.580 only reason I think that likely it could be

01:34:17.780 one of many reasons okay what are some other

01:34:20.420 reasons that children coming from a single

01:34:24.420 mother household are more likely to be

01:34:27.140 mentally ill yeah let's see I bet they

01:34:32.120 wonder why their dad's not there wouldn't

01:34:34.040 they wonder whether mom's not there if

01:34:35.400 they were with their dad I guess that's a

01:34:38.320 valid point hmm let me think a little

01:34:40.700 harder let's see do you have an

01:34:44.960 explanation well yeah so essentially it has

01:34:50.300 to do with who you bring in so what happens

01:34:54.860 is with single moms they tend to bring in

01:34:56.620 step-parents far more than single fathers

01:34:58.420 do far earlier and they don't work out

01:35:01.640 those relationships don't work out and so

01:35:03.220 that's a generalization yeah because

01:35:05.800 saying one saying one in four women suffer

01:35:08.640 from a mental health issue so there's a

01:35:11.120 mental health crisis the mental health

01:35:13.060 crisis is a generalization but it is still

01:35:15.600 true okay so in this case yes they bring

01:35:18.760 in step-dads and step-parents and so the

01:35:22.000 children are more likely to deal with some

01:35:23.560 forms of abuse and destabilization whereas in

01:35:26.680 single-father households it doesn't happen

01:35:28.440 nearly as much that's why okay that that

01:35:33.560 could be a verifiable reason like in your

01:35:36.460 situation right did you did you have like

01:35:41.400 step-parents my dad was the only one who

01:35:45.000 saw women after my mom did not see a single

01:35:47.360 person and you're in your situation yes yeah

01:35:50.380 so I mean to generalize of course that can

01:35:53.760 happen but and aren't men more likely to

01:35:56.100 seek out fertile mates than women are yeah so

01:36:01.400 well no it's not that they're more likely to

01:36:03.620 seek out fertile mates what we were discussing

01:36:07.000 before was signs of what men would find

01:36:10.120 attractive and the reason I said they find

01:36:12.120 youth attractive is because of fertility so

01:36:16.080 that's probably one of the reasons they find

01:36:17.860 youth attractive okay but what I'm saying is

01:36:22.020 like it I don't think there's like a I I don't

01:36:26.260 know you'd have to pull up a statistic but is

01:36:28.380 there really a rate at which one sex brings in a

01:36:31.660 step-parent more than the other yeah there

01:36:34.020 is it's the women yeah we can look at the

01:36:36.680 remarriage certificate or the the remarriage

01:36:39.200 stats so that we can understand that and then

01:36:41.880 that would be inaccurate though if it was just

01:36:43.980 the remarriage stats but I was going to give you

01:36:45.760 more so you can look at that that's one metric

01:36:48.300 that you can look at it there's also polling

01:36:50.180 done as to who have living boyfriends who

01:36:52.060 doesn't Pew Research has a bunch of this I

01:36:54.980 don't remember what the polling agencies are

01:36:56.620 everyone which has you know covered it but

01:36:59.180 yes it is true at least it's true as we know

01:37:02.040 that women do tend in to bring in more

01:37:04.700 step-parents can you give me the point

01:37:06.060 difference on those two statistics I can't

01:37:08.080 talk you don't even have an estimate like a

01:37:10.600 point you mean like 10 percentage points or

01:37:13.440 how much how much is I don't know I don't

01:37:15.900 know what the distinction is but it's

01:37:17.400 significant it's a significant distinction

01:37:19.420 okay so I mean it's enough for there to be a

01:37:22.360 deviation so I mean probably 15 percent 20

01:37:26.500 percent more I would guess so how is that the

01:37:31.160 women's fault though because they're trying

01:37:33.700 to find another provider for the home that

01:37:36.700 you think is an important part of it you're

01:37:39.000 saying they should grow up in a two-parent

01:37:41.420 home what if the original provider left and

01:37:43.840 you're saying the kids don't happen because

01:37:46.920 the provider left they happen because the

01:37:49.180 woman initiates a divorce but not all what

01:37:52.080 about what are the women who get left if we

01:37:55.240 were just dealing with exceptions we

01:37:57.200 wouldn't we're not dealing with just

01:37:58.500 exceptions but that's an exception large

01:38:00.180 portion of the large portion no men and

01:38:03.040 women are individuals stop making it so

01:38:05.440 based on your gender only women can break

01:38:07.580 things up only women can leave the

01:38:09.240 relationship that's not true men not what

01:38:11.440 I said all the time yeah but you're saying

01:38:13.520 that it's an exception which is false you

01:38:15.360 can't say it is it's sometimes one things

01:38:18.480 one thing happens and sometimes other

01:38:20.100 things happen so here's the here's the

01:38:22.100 thing when people are incompatible it

01:38:23.880 could be chosen by me I'll rephrase it the

01:38:25.840 best way that I can then mostly women are

01:38:28.300 doing this and not men mostly women are

01:38:30.820 leaving marriages and not men mostly

01:38:33.080 women at the college college level it's

01:38:36.440 almost all women then men are the

01:38:38.680 exception because women are initiating 90

01:38:41.020 percent of the time and then if we break

01:38:43.060 those stats down along religiosity we

01:38:44.880 might come up with some different numbers

01:38:46.100 but yes it's mostly women breaking up the

01:38:48.660 home and yes you know that's not men's

01:38:50.960 fault well because we can ask these women

01:38:54.000 why the divorce happened and we can look

01:38:56.400 at court documents for the reasons that

01:38:58.400 they put for the divorce and we can run

01:39:00.660 different polls where we're talking to

01:39:02.380 them and what we find is the same thing

01:39:04.840 that was pulled up the other night here

01:39:06.020 on whatever he was a perfect guy I just

01:39:08.740 got fucking sick of him I don't like him

01:39:10.640 anymore there was no abuse he didn't do

01:39:13.340 anything wrong I just don't fucking like

01:39:15.360 she not entitled to make that choice if she

01:39:17.360 doesn't like her husband anymore I think

01:39:19.280 that if you put your own self entitlement

01:39:21.560 above that of your children in order to

01:39:24.400 have access to their father in a two

01:39:26.080 parent household you're setting them up

01:39:27.500 for failure and that's what we see in the

01:39:29.240 stats that you should be if you make the

01:39:31.560 commitment to make children with him and

01:39:33.240 he's not abusing you okay and he's not

01:39:35.600 beating you up and he's not abandoning you

01:39:37.320 he's not doing all the bad things then no I

01:39:40.100 think you should put your children before

01:39:41.760 your own happiness I think you have a duty

01:39:43.980 an obligation to do so aren't the children

01:39:48.260 being exposed to the unhappiness of your

01:39:51.120 marriage well that depends it I mean it

01:39:56.260 completely and totally depends aren't your

01:39:59.280 children though even if they were exposed

01:40:01.180 to the unhappiness of your marriage if

01:40:02.940 you're looking at this the statistics of

01:40:04.620 how much abuse happens external to that

01:40:06.900 when then when these divorces happen and

01:40:09.160 the outcomes on children these single

01:40:10.460 parent households wouldn't it still be

01:40:12.460 optimal for them to deal with mom and dad

01:40:14.840 you know they don't always talk to each

01:40:16.760 other but they're in the same house they

01:40:19.000 take good care of us and she prioritized

01:40:21.700 the happiness of us over herself I don't

01:40:24.340 think children are that capable that

01:40:26.500 not only that but the thing is you're

01:40:28.880 putting the onus of the responsibility on

01:40:30.500 the female which is just because they're

01:40:32.100 the ones leaving what are the ones

01:40:33.660 leaving that's why what if it's because

01:40:37.120 they don't like how the man is treating

01:40:38.520 the child the children that's not what

01:40:40.820 they're reporting you think they're

01:40:43.240 reporting completely accurate every

01:40:44.820 single time every single time but

01:40:46.860 accurate enough accurate enough for us

01:40:49.060 to get a pretty clear picture and why

01:40:50.820 they're leaving and they're not leaving

01:40:52.220 because dad's beating up the kids or

01:40:54.360 they are and those aren't just

01:40:56.320 exceptions those are not just in those

01:40:58.820 cases I would encourage in those cases I

01:41:01.780 would encourage those women to leave

01:41:04.500 those men if they're getting beat up or

01:41:06.000 things like that they should be leaving

01:41:07.620 those men but if all that was happening

01:41:10.160 is women were leaving abusive men

01:41:11.820 okay fine you wouldn't see this type of

01:41:15.680 mass decadence in society this would not

01:41:18.000 be the issue the single mother

01:41:19.680 households are not reporting that they're

01:41:21.500 leaving or filing for these divorces due

01:41:25.700 to anything other than self-fulfillment

01:41:27.560 not because of abuse not because of drugs

01:41:29.600 and not because he's leaving the home not

01:41:31.460 even because they're shirking their

01:41:32.700 financial responsibilities a lot of the

01:41:34.420 time so it's like marriages work and yes

01:41:37.900 you should probably sacrifice your own

01:41:39.820 happiness for the happiness of your

01:41:41.020 children yes I think that a woman has

01:41:43.020 responsibility to do that and so does a

01:41:44.860 man

01:41:45.060 I'd agree but what are the implications on

01:41:50.680 that argument that we would probably end

01:41:53.040 up with much better more stable nuclear

01:41:55.060 family households and the reproduction rate

01:41:57.060 would probably skyrocket and women would

01:41:58.960 probably not have to work nearly as much

01:42:00.640 as they do right now and probably be way

01:42:03.060 fucking happier and less mentally ill that's

01:42:04.880 what I would say probably be the extension

01:42:07.220 of that

01:42:07.760 but that's not all because of feminism

01:42:12.460 it's that's all got its roots in feminism

01:42:15.100 yeah no I'd say a lot of it has its roots

01:42:17.480 in the patriarchy which things

01:42:19.040 um well first of all feminism was made to

01:42:22.680 begin with to counteract the patriarchy that

01:42:24.920 was the rhetoric so there you go you could

01:42:27.080 say feminism would have never happened if

01:42:28.700 there was never a patriarchy and we

01:42:29.900 started with an egalitarian society but

01:42:31.720 that wouldn't have been possible because

01:42:32.720 we hadn't invented guns yet and men had

01:42:34.320 an amount of monopoly on these

01:42:35.400 you can't have an egalitarian society

01:42:37.420 that's why we went through that whole

01:42:38.620 thing in the beginning showing you why

01:42:39.960 you can't we can't have an egalitarian

01:42:41.700 society you can't because men have the

01:42:43.840 monopoly on force that's why we disagreed

01:42:45.780 on that though like I still think that

01:42:48.100 women can in have force I mean they can

01:42:52.180 use force to a limited degree but they

01:42:53.700 cannot enforce they'll never be the

01:42:55.400 enforcers and so they're never going to

01:42:57.260 be equal with men that's not ever going

01:42:59.060 to happen there's no place on planet earth

01:43:01.680 where women are like you know what

01:43:03.040 barbara grab the uzi we're gonna

01:43:06.820 enslave these fucking assholes right now

01:43:09.400 it's never happened it's never gonna

01:43:10.660 happen but there has been the case where

01:43:12.380 they've been like hey abdul grab the ak

01:43:13.980 and uh yes the women have all been

01:43:17.100 enslaved that has happened yes but I'm

01:43:20.400 saying in today's society women have more

01:43:23.140 influence on non-physical types of ways

01:43:27.320 through politics and things yeah I don't

01:43:29.040 disagree but ultimately they only have

01:43:30.840 that sway men allow them to through

01:43:33.320 enforcement and if men collectively

01:43:35.200 because they've had this but it's not

01:43:36.820 men in Iran they had an Iran they had

01:43:39.600 women's liberation Iran until the Iranian

01:43:42.040 and they were in politics and they had

01:43:43.940 sway until the Iranians went no and took

01:43:47.400 all that shit away and they can't do

01:43:48.820 anything about it but you can have a

01:43:50.980 revolution inside of a nation by men

01:43:52.780 that's done all the time and they're

01:43:54.920 able to take rights or give rights that's

01:43:57.220 just the way the world works and one of

01:43:59.140 the blind spots of feminism is I don't

01:44:01.040 know why but they can't seem to see

01:44:02.300 that they can't seem to see that this

01:44:04.880 perpetual egalitarianism is worthless

01:44:06.900 because you can never really achieve it

01:44:08.420 anyway I don't know why they're

01:44:10.800 striving towards it why can't you get as

01:44:12.820 close to it as possible well you can you

01:44:16.000 can try to get as close to whatever you

01:44:18.640 want as possible but these outcomes that

01:44:20.220 we're seeing on your pathway there

01:44:21.840 certainly don't seem great it doesn't

01:44:24.520 seem like it was a great idea to wreck

01:44:26.080 the nuclear family that seems like a

01:44:27.560 really fucking bad idea and they did it

01:44:30.040 doesn't seem like it's a good idea to

01:44:31.300 try to make men and women compete in the

01:44:33.180 workforce that seemed like a really

01:44:34.560 fucking bad idea these are not good

01:44:36.880 ideas for society and they haven't

01:44:38.800 worked out very well on the but it's

01:44:42.840 like most of these are on the basis of

01:44:44.620 your objective or not objective your

01:44:47.740 subjective morality like you think that

01:44:51.200 like what it's so much worse because

01:44:53.320 those children are coming out mentally

01:44:54.680 ill because they have single mothers

01:44:55.960 maybe they're way more able to take on

01:44:59.580 opportunities with confidence or

01:45:01.120 something like that because they're they

01:45:04.640 are less prone to being submissive because

01:45:07.340 they didn't have a father in the home so

01:45:08.820 they act more masculine so more mentally

01:45:10.680 ill kids I'm saying that the things that

01:45:14.740 you the problems that you have with

01:45:16.600 feminism are it's because we're getting

01:45:18.860 farther from the patriarchy right yeah and

01:45:21.940 it's leading to really bad outcomes for

01:45:25.340 everybody including the women so during

01:45:27.880 the patriarchy it must have been really

01:45:29.740 good like during the big part of the

01:45:31.460 patriarchy like way back when it's been

01:45:33.160 pretty good for most women yeah it's been

01:45:35.540 pretty good so it's been really hard on

01:45:38.020 men but it's been pretty good for women

01:45:40.080 almost every place you look for the

01:45:41.840 equalization between the two men have had

01:45:43.660 it basically way rougher than women was it

01:45:45.540 not was that not their own choice if

01:45:47.000 they're the enforcers they could have made

01:45:48.280 it so that the women are the ones who

01:45:49.760 have to do all that shit they did not

01:45:52.000 allow women to participate in the

01:45:53.680 political process and thus protected

01:45:56.800 women and utilize women for what their

01:45:59.260 role was which was to take care of

01:46:00.760 children who said that was their role

01:46:02.560 God the necessity of what is enforcement

01:46:06.960 so they can't enforce they could not drive

01:46:10.120 the wolves away at night literal wolves you

01:46:12.520 know there used to actually be real wolves

01:46:14.280 that would kill people at night in the

01:46:16.080 countryside not a joke holy shit oh my

01:46:18.360 god yeah I mean you you might think that

01:46:21.060 this is um you know tongue-in-cheek but

01:46:23.480 the world was a much more dangerous place

01:46:25.260 and women relied on men men did not rely

01:46:28.880 on them for protection and they still have

01:46:30.780 to they just don't realize that they have

01:46:32.380 to yet well now that we live in a society

01:46:35.960 that has institutions that have power

01:46:38.140 there was institutions of power given them

01:46:39.860 power and oh you mean like kings you

01:46:41.920 mean like the church you mean like like

01:46:43.440 the millions of institutions it's the

01:46:45.420 same way that our institutions do now

01:46:47.320 your institutions do not guarantee rights

01:46:49.800 yes they do your rights don't even exist

01:46:53.320 and if a king will you say king can't

01:46:55.800 guarantee if they can be enforced then

01:46:57.760 they exist okay well then if that's the

01:47:00.840 case then you had tons of rights under

01:47:02.240 kings okay that you know that's not what

01:47:06.060 i meant but my what was the original

01:47:10.320 point that i was making the original

01:47:11.680 point that we were making was about the

01:47:13.160 nuclear family and how you want to see

01:47:14.280 more mentally ill children because that

01:47:15.880 means that they can take on more

01:47:17.040 responsibility i didn't necessarily say

01:47:20.500 that but you know not a not a bad take

01:47:22.960 on my part from using my argument i mean

01:47:28.960 what's wrong with that what's wrong with

01:47:31.020 overcoming overcoming mental illness i

01:47:33.140 mean i think that could help a person

01:47:34.440 have a lot of empathy for other people

01:47:36.620 so if it is the case that you say

01:47:42.300 what's wrong with having to surmount a

01:47:44.100 challenge would you say that to an essay

01:47:45.760 victim what's wrong with being essayed

01:47:47.900 after all it could actually make you a

01:47:49.440 much better person that you overcame the

01:47:51.340 fact that you were essayed does that

01:47:52.880 make sense to you um i would not say

01:47:56.620 that to them you would not say that to

01:47:58.220 them but it's not the same thing okay

01:47:59.980 but it is you're just saying that it

01:48:01.940 could make you a better person that you

01:48:03.440 have a mental illness and you're able

01:48:04.900 to overcome or deal with it so should

01:48:06.720 she have aborted the kid then so it

01:48:08.940 wouldn't have to be born with mental

01:48:10.120 illness how would you ever make that

01:48:12.060 determination you just said one in four

01:48:14.860 that's more than just an exception born

01:48:16.840 with and say they're born with mental

01:48:19.240 illness but they're gonna develop it

01:48:21.120 based on their familial circumstances

01:48:22.620 according to you there's no way oh

01:48:24.300 exactly there's no way to determine

01:48:26.160 where the mental illness came from would

01:48:27.900 you look at that so it could have been

01:48:29.360 genetic children will have anything

01:48:31.420 any other factors so dumb there's no

01:48:34.520 where to no way to determine which

01:48:36.920 children will have it's not all children

01:48:39.320 from single parents develop mental

01:48:41.200 illness not all of them do so it's

01:48:44.080 impossible but so it's impossible to

01:48:45.600 determine which ones will that's my

01:48:47.360 point not that there still won't be

01:48:49.600 one in four children with mental

01:48:50.840 illness just that you will not be able

01:48:52.980 to make the determination which ones are

01:48:54.540 how could you ever do that I can't I

01:48:57.140 couldn't even think of how that would

01:48:58.300 even be possible okay you can't but

01:49:01.480 okay so here's what we've gotten so

01:49:04.980 far then the nuclear feminists have

01:49:07.880 destroyed the nuclear family and that's

01:49:10.100 causing all the children to be mentally

01:49:11.920 ill no that has caused the workforce to

01:49:16.600 require a two parent or a two worker

01:49:20.260 household that has taken children out of

01:49:23.020 or mothers out of the home to raise

01:49:24.500 their children that has caused a

01:49:27.120 massive spike in divorces the list kind

01:49:29.540 of goes on and on I listed a ton of

01:49:31.020 things which feminism is the root cause

01:49:33.480 of and feminism has what is the root

01:49:35.180 cause of feminism uh cult of patriarchy

01:49:38.320 occultism patriarchy feminism would

01:49:40.300 have never you admitted earlier that

01:49:41.880 feminism would not have existed if not

01:49:43.740 to reverse the patriarchy and you just

01:49:45.380 said that feminism is the root cause of

01:49:47.340 all these issues because we're trying

01:49:49.260 too hard to reverse the oppression that

01:49:51.000 you've put on to us so my first note was

01:49:52.760 asking you is not an entailment is not

01:49:56.400 an entailment of feminism going to be if

01:50:00.140 it is to resist the patriarchy that there

01:50:02.840 is a patriarchy answer is yes so I'm just

01:50:06.820 looking at your entailment but patriarchy

01:50:09.240 is not what caused feminism occultism is

01:50:12.320 what caused feminism

01:50:13.360 occultism from the protestant church

01:50:16.720 specifically the existence of patriarchy

01:50:19.240 allowed the conditions for feminism to

01:50:21.540 exist

01:50:22.040 okay uh if society had been more

01:50:25.520 egalitarian from the start I'm not

01:50:27.680 saying completely egalitarian but society

01:50:29.960 had been more egalitarian from the start

01:50:31.880 where each individual was already able to

01:50:33.880 choose do I want to take care of the

01:50:35.100 kids or do I want to work let me go find

01:50:36.900 a mate who's the opposite not based on the

01:50:38.660 gender but just based on individual like

01:50:41.560 their inclinations in life then I don't

01:50:45.160 think women would be as yeah but you're

01:50:47.560 hate hateful of men that's really funny

01:50:49.640 that you bring this up you're saying

01:50:51.360 that feminism

01:50:52.900 laith donated two hundred dollars it

01:50:57.400 really is crazy how privilege is

01:50:59.340 invisible to people who have it

01:51:01.000 she has no idea how dangerous environment

01:51:04.180 was long time now even now no one is

01:51:07.580 going to provide her security other than

01:51:09.620 men that's correct thank you later it's

01:51:11.620 going to be true but continue on

01:51:12.920 anyway what you're saying is this this

01:51:16.320 actually your argument I'll give it back

01:51:17.760 to you you're saying patriarchy didn't

01:51:20.560 exist and women would not have to fight

01:51:22.240 for the fucked up conditions that we find

01:51:23.820 ourselves in after they resisted the

01:51:25.600 patriarchy brilliant argument genius love

01:51:28.580 it

01:51:29.180 no I said women wouldn't have to fight the

01:51:32.180 fucked up circumstances that the

01:51:33.560 patriarchy put them in and they started

01:51:35.680 with more egalitarianism right and don't

01:51:38.120 we have more egalitarianism now than we

01:51:39.740 did under the patriarchy and we find

01:51:41.700 ourselves in these fucked up conditions

01:51:43.060 which means if we had egalitarianism then

01:51:45.500 those would have been worse than the

01:51:47.140 patriarchy we were in fucked up

01:51:48.500 conditions before too it's just different

01:51:50.300 ways conditions well I mean women were

01:51:53.760 just all tied down to one outcome and

01:51:57.260 they couldn't vote they weren't tied down

01:51:58.780 to one I would love my daughters to be

01:52:00.480 able to do whatever the fuck they want so

01:52:02.500 you let me ask you this if we could

01:52:05.660 guarantee let's just say we could guarantee

01:52:07.880 that children would end up with way

01:52:11.560 better outcomes in society we could

01:52:13.840 guarantee it right if parents stayed

01:52:17.540 together or even better let's phrase it

01:52:20.360 this way we could guarantee that children

01:52:22.520 will have better outcomes in society if

01:52:24.460 women don't have the right to vote would

01:52:26.160 you take away the right of women to vote

01:52:27.780 then no no if we could guarantee that the

01:52:31.900 outcomes for mental illness would greatly

01:52:34.140 reduce if you took away the right to women

01:52:35.820 of women to vote would you would you take

01:52:37.900 away the right for women to vote no if

01:52:40.000 you could guarantee that women would be

01:52:44.180 far more secure and actually much much

01:52:48.140 much happier if you took away their right

01:52:50.640 to vote would you take away that would

01:52:52.060 never happen if you could guarantee that

01:52:53.840 they would be happier if they could not

01:52:56.020 vote would you take away the right to

01:52:57.140 vote that would never happen don't answer

01:52:58.620 my question that i don't believe it would ever happen okay if you thought that if the case could

01:53:07.500 be made that their happiness would greatly increase because their mental illness decreases

01:53:13.060 if you took away the right to vote would you do that it's not about happiness you're doing the

01:53:18.000 hedonist thing on me in this case it's about individual choice and values not hedonism but

01:53:24.540 hedonism is the outcome i'm saying it's you're so what i'm asking you ultimately is this i'll

01:53:32.460 condense it would you take away women's rights to vote if it led to generally speaking better

01:53:38.900 societal outcomes that's that's not what would happen though and but if it were to happen that

01:53:48.240 just generally societal outcomes got better would you take away the right to vote that's i i wouldn't

01:53:57.540 you wouldn't i know and so this is the distinction between our moral systems is that i believe that

01:54:04.720 you live in contradiction and that the right to vote this this right that you perceive or you know

01:54:11.460 the 19th amendment this type of thing that even if we could guarantee that the outcomes were better if

01:54:17.600 it was gone you would still insist that it was there and i think that that's the case with

01:54:20.720 abortion i think that that's the case with probably most of your beliefs because that's feminist

01:54:24.900 beliefs like for instance if we could guarantee that women would get far less venereal diseases

01:54:30.740 and would have far less uh problems in society if we could criminalize premarital sex

01:54:38.120 would you do it i wasn't listening to your question but one of those is an ideology i'm not

01:54:44.940 going to debate okay repeat then i'm sorry well it's because i was thinking of what i was going

01:54:48.580 to say next my fault for being a slow woman you can repeat your question okay i'll repeat i'll

01:54:52.680 repeat the question and i'll make it even simpler what i'm saying to you is this is um

01:54:58.000 if if we could make a law which curtailed female promiscuity meaning it was it was criminal for both

01:55:06.060 men and women to have premarital sex and that led to better outcomes for society would you do it

01:55:11.240 um no no so i mean ultimately for you the hedonism and pure selfism is the most important value not

01:55:22.820 individualism it's an emphasis on empathy and individual human rights it's not empathy yes it

01:55:27.880 is it's empathy for the individual because your ideology is not based on empathy it's based purely

01:55:32.360 on subjectivism through the bible and religious i haven't offered a single biblical argument i'm just

01:55:39.840 purely operating off of hedonistic i'm literally going off of this

01:55:44.680 the worldview is utilitarianism utilitarianism being harmed this comes from mill who says that harm is a

01:55:54.660 physicality which exists inside of the norms of politics individualism enlightenment i'm going off

01:56:01.500 of your worldview which i wrote down and repeating back have not i said at the beginning before i told you

01:56:06.780 everything that i could not fully describe my worldview with just random ideological things

01:56:11.200 and you are already putting me in a box from that point i can just believe what i believe without

01:56:15.100 having to classify it that's true you can right but ultimately it's incoherent and it doesn't make a

01:56:21.660 lot of sense and when you say well wait you're coming at me with biblical worldview no i'm just giving

01:56:27.740 you back your own worldview i'm literally just i just ran an entire internal critique showing you that

01:56:34.100 ultimately if we reduce all of these issues to outcomes for society you would still not curtail

01:56:42.780 behaviors like promiscuity divorce you wouldn't curtail any of these things even if it led to better

01:56:47.760 outcomes for children because that's like eugenics basically that is not utilitarianism uh okay i see

01:56:54.380 hmm well you're right then yeah so anyway i'm good brian i got some i got some more stuff actually

01:57:04.700 something that just came from the questions that you were asking her so andrew you asked her if

01:57:11.060 outcomes were to be better for women if they couldn't vote your answer was um your answer was she

01:57:19.860 wouldn't take them away i would still allow them the right to vote right right even even if under

01:57:25.980 women not being able to vote the outcomes would be better you still wouldn't opt for that it's the

01:57:30.860 same argument as don't you believe people have like free choice even if they can choose the wrong

01:57:36.620 outcomes people should be able to choose their own life path you don't believe in free choice believe

01:57:40.360 in free will okay then yeah free will is not choice so my question is though so and you said no you

01:57:46.380 would not do that even though it would lead to better outcomes for women correct yes if it led

01:57:51.760 to better outcomes for women for men to not be able to vote would you be in favor of that no okay

01:57:58.400 that's fair no i figured she'd be consistent okay got it we have a couple chats why don't we read those

01:58:04.420 so we have gr gracie by the way guys get your chats in if you'd like we're gonna go for a little bit

01:58:11.240 longer young lady stop being so stubborn you're entering prime baby making age find a good man

01:58:17.620 start having kids and experience your best life seriously dying bearing dying baron is excuse me

01:58:25.900 is a wasted life do you want to respond to gr gracie

01:58:30.960 what if what if i'm infertile then what am i supposed to seek out adoption yeah are you okay

01:58:41.180 but i i just i'm just curious like or a widowed man or any number of different ways that you

01:58:46.280 would end up in a mother role um okay thank you gr gracie for that appreciate it i'm gonna pull up

01:58:55.280 the soup chats now we have steven carrera thank you man appreciate the soup chat get a refund from

01:59:01.140 your college you're getting real education with andrew and not from bolshevik infiltrate

01:59:05.520 indoctrination daycare centers college okay if women do not produce christian children well i hope

01:59:10.540 feminists like sharia law okay thank you is sharia law closer to the religious state that

01:59:19.780 you guys might want i don't want a religious state okay the synergistic religious you mean

01:59:25.760 economia oh sorry yeah so like if a christian politician if they vote and they're inside of

01:59:33.780 their head their morals are guided by their christianity right is that still a division of

01:59:39.300 church and state yes because they're representing christians who are part of their constituency

01:59:43.540 gotcha so if we have mostly a christian constituency and christians go in and start making laws

01:59:50.080 right like it would have to be done through a democratic process even if it was done through

01:59:54.540 a democratic process nobody's saying it couldn't be right but you can have a democracy and still have

02:00:00.140 economia with a church you can have a king and have economy with a church christianity and christian

02:00:06.100 ethics can exist in any type of government even communism it can exist as long as the communists

02:00:10.540 don't wipe them out your bible is just as intangible about as the rights that our current government is

02:00:17.160 founded on except one of them expresses itself as a object of morality complete morality because of the

02:00:23.520 good outcomes it creates in society for women and children and what whereas the other one is just

02:00:28.280 individual rights right no i don't think that's the case so i mean forgive me if i'm not following

02:00:36.880 this correctly but you're saying that biblical values are just as subjective as rights as your rights and

02:00:43.480 preferences yeah well that can't really be true even from a subjective angle because if if you say you're

02:00:51.400 christian then you have to adhere to christian ethics or false no then you can't be a christian

02:00:57.340 isn't it just that you got to be saved you got to believe in god let me ask you a question

02:01:01.920 if you're born in mexico and you live in mexico are you an american obviously the question of

02:01:07.820 citizenship is not the same as religious because there's a specific criteria right so you can't just

02:01:12.260 calling yourself an american wouldn't make you one anyone who believes in god is considered okay it

02:01:19.280 depends what sect you follow no everything has specific criteria christianity faith in christ and

02:01:25.420 all of them christian ethics they have all of them are subjective and they're all written down and made

02:01:30.240 up by different but if there is specific criteria for christianity then you would have to follow

02:01:35.140 specific ethical frameworks within christianity from a secular framework of preference you're actually

02:01:40.880 telling everybody to follow whatever set of ethics they so choose isn't that better than telling

02:01:46.960 everyone to just follow the one that you ascribe to no it's way worse especially for society do you

02:01:53.200 want people to to arbitrarily decide whether or not they can murder so based on their preferences

02:01:58.360 so if everyone in america ascribed to hinduism you just have a great time tomorrow with our new hindu

02:02:03.640 democratically no but it would still be a more moral society than if everybody was secularist who

02:02:08.160 follow their own whims and preferences so that's just where we fundamentally disagree i believe you can

02:02:13.640 have morality in secularism and you think it's fundamentally impossible to be secular and moral

02:02:18.220 how can you say that preferences are what is moral your own individual preference and nothing but your

02:02:24.880 individual preference and then say his could be wrong about anything how can you do that well i'm not

02:02:29.820 saying the individual preference of each individual person is moral i'm saying what the moral thing to do

02:02:36.020 is allow everyone to have their own individual preferences then if you're then how can anybody

02:02:42.880 justify that anybody else's morality is incorrect if harm principle okay but that's a subjective

02:02:49.220 preference again we harm principle is not a subjective preference listen why should we follow the harm

02:02:55.920 principle because it actually causes physical harm at that point yeah but that's not telling us why we

02:03:02.480 should follow it i know it does it does cause harm but why ought we not cause harm because you're

02:03:10.160 infringing on someone else's ability to exercise why should we value rights every day because like i said

02:03:16.660 from the beginning it's about individuality you have empathy you treat every what's the golden rule

02:03:21.840 treat every other person as you have yourself that can be moral categorical imperative but all of this

02:03:26.300 will reduce if i keep going with you categorical imperative if i keep on if i keep on moving down

02:03:31.580 the the goal here it's going to reduce to relativism why should we follow that why should we follow this

02:03:36.960 why should we follow that eventually it's going to get down to because you would prefer that i do

02:03:40.520 right there's really no other way around that so it's either religion or moral relativism that's right

02:03:47.540 okay then anyone who's not religious you're a moral relativist yeah well but they all know that

02:03:52.780 they all know that they're moral relativists like none of them are confused

02:03:56.140 now you know yeah it basically always reduces there could be some i mean some arguments i think

02:04:03.220 which can be made against it but basically all of it reduces to relativism and preference so if it does

02:04:07.860 and it's all just based on your preferences just things you prefer uh then you can never justify why

02:04:14.320 this guy's preferences and that guy's preferences are no better than your own you can justify it based

02:04:19.400 on the categorical imperative are you using other people or oppressing other people for your own

02:04:24.720 utilitarian the categorical imperative that's kantianism that's deontology they're in opposition

02:04:30.620 to each other i wrote my college application essay on kant then how did you not know that kant

02:04:35.000 is literally the opposite of bentham and mill opposite 100 the deontology is direct opposition to

02:04:43.060 utilitarianism one is consequentialism one's universalism so like i don't know yeah they're

02:04:50.140 not well i was just saying i was uh we already showed that i'm not actually utilitarian yeah and

02:04:56.560 you fucked me up from the beginning because you asked me to classify myself and i don't know what i am

02:05:01.140 okay well fair enough all right we have another chat here from brian jones hey brian jones thank you

02:05:08.740 very much man appreciate the soup chat ladies and gentlemen it is soy half the things we eat are

02:05:14.220 made out of it it makes men more feminine and women blank blank blank okay brian johnson excuse me

02:05:21.980 it's talking about literal soy yeah it's literal it's in fucking everything it's gross all right thank

02:05:27.160 you brian appreciate that get your last minute chats in if you have any let me just double check here we

02:05:32.380 do have a stream labs message from passable gamer ironic bringing up eugenics when it was and has

02:05:41.520 been a tenant of progressivism in the u.s margaret sanger etc word i'm not i'm uh her name sounds

02:05:52.040 familiar but she was the person who founded planned parenthood oh my god wow i look awful now

02:05:58.140 yeah um but interesting i wasn't never mind nothing to say continue i had one question earlier

02:06:09.800 on in the conversation you mentioned something about hedonism and i i don't want to misquote you

02:06:15.460 you said something along the lines of people should be able to do whatever they want and pursue like

02:06:22.960 the maximum degree or amount of happiness as long as it doesn't break the categorical imperative

02:06:31.120 meaning they're not hurting other people in the process of doing so so but that's your kind of

02:06:36.660 guiding philosophy not exactly i'd say hedonism is more of like a personal philosophy for me and i think

02:06:42.960 that's typically in the con that's how it's talked about in most contexts i was just saying i think people

02:06:47.560 should be allowed to be hedonistic if they want to be the government shouldn't be saying you shouldn't

02:06:53.140 be hedonistic you should be moral and stay home and take care of your kids like the government's not

02:06:58.780 the one who should be saying but if the government says if you're saying the government shouldn't do

02:07:03.020 something right they ought not do that then you're saying that the government shouldn't follow its

02:07:09.180 preferences whose preferences should it follow the people's and um whose preferences should they follow

02:07:16.500 their own then everybody's individualistic preferences are just as valid as anybody else's

02:07:23.460 okay never said they weren't and so when it comes to the hedonism you said that's your own

02:07:31.460 personal not completely i just i was just throwing some words in there i don't know okay well i mean how

02:07:37.200 would how does that manifest for you hedonism i i was i was i was trying to use that more in the

02:07:42.940 context of like he was saying that it would be completely evil of a woman to say like my husband

02:07:51.260 makes me unhappy and you know i i'd rather just go live with my kids alone in fucking alaska and

02:08:00.040 i'm saying that people should be able to do that and be hedonistic and chase their desires and they

02:08:04.920 shouldn't be like at the expense of their children uh it's not always at the expense of the child maybe

02:08:09.180 the child would have a better life not listening to mom and dad yell at each other all day long

02:08:13.840 use of at the expense of the children prioritizing her happiness over the expense of the children

02:08:19.860 like hey you left that part out but that's what i actually said the children can prioritize their

02:08:24.560 own happiness when they get older oh no way you just said that the children can prioritize their own

02:08:32.000 happiness when they fuck those kids little bastards now you know why one in four of them have mental

02:08:36.960 illness because they need to prioritize their happiness when they get older i see myself as

02:08:43.140 one of those children who come from a broken home and i'd like to be able to prioritize my own

02:08:46.860 happiness regardless of the circumstances even over your own children um in the future if i had to

02:08:54.080 divorce my husband okay i don't want to get divorced i definitely don't and obviously but if you were going

02:08:59.040 to be happier divorced even if it was at the expense of your children obviously i'm not going to live

02:09:03.720 every day in misery but i would have to weigh the values at that time especially considering what

02:09:09.760 the reason was for the divorce and you were you were unhappy you wanted to fuck john down the street

02:09:16.440 because john looked really good and had a nicer car i wouldn't i wouldn't do that okay there's a

02:09:22.700 difference between hedonism and doing what you want i don't mean like i agree with that i don't mean

02:09:27.840 like every single thought that you think of i'm saying you should be able to act based on your

02:09:33.220 pleasure rather than moral rules their happiness they don't actually step out on their husband

02:09:37.160 but they want john they want john down the street they're not going to step out so they go to they

02:09:43.020 go to their husband and they say listen i am miserable in this marriage and i want you know i

02:09:47.120 want this guy this other guy who's not you and that's going to maximize my happiness they leave

02:09:52.100 their husband and break up their family so that they can go pursue john you're neglecting to

02:09:56.940 weigh how much happiness it brings them to have their like children happy and together with the

02:10:02.480 family too because women do have to weigh that when they're thinking about whether or not they're

02:10:06.060 going to divorce i know is she doing something wrong by doing that is my question is she doing

02:10:11.500 something wrong by doing that

02:10:13.140 i mean it's not right and i wouldn't so i wouldn't want her to do it wrong she should not be able to do

02:10:25.620 it should be legal it should be legal so yeah so i mean ultimately like fuck the kids right it's not

02:10:31.220 really wrong yeah but how the fuck are you going to enforce a law that's like you add fault to

02:10:38.080 divorces so that there's penalties so that you can't go to your husband and say i want to go fuck the

02:10:42.160 neighbor that's you just so then so there's no penalty you just gave me a huge exception like it

02:10:47.320 could have been based on any other number of factors besides wanting to go fuck the neighbor yeah and

02:10:51.600 all those factors can be taken into consideration for a penalty or an at fault divorce instead of a

02:10:57.160 no fault divorce who's at fault for the divorce so if you decide to prioritize your happiness over

02:11:03.200 your family you don't get to walk away and get the kids and get the car and get the house and get the

02:11:08.460 money fuck that they do that in divorce court anyways basically yeah but that's because it's a no

02:11:12.980 fault divorce you don't have to show any cause for why you want the divorce and if you had to

02:11:17.880 and then you could determine who's at fault and then you could split assets correctly because we

02:11:22.280 know who fucked the marriage up you went out and fucked john down the road or whatever right

02:11:26.020 same thing with the husband that's a much better system okay i i recognize everything you're talking

02:11:33.540 about is like bad for the kids but i still don't understand why you would want to bring the law into

02:11:37.900 it especially if there's people out there who like i don't know might not i don't know i mean the

02:11:47.300 laws involved in it who might not even like think that the nuclear family is important at all

02:11:52.020 like yeah that's true but that's really again when it comes to what is optimal for children

02:11:58.660 if you are intentionally raising your kids outside of a nuclear family is like some kind of f you to

02:12:04.200 society then you're immediately doing something which is um you should probably think twice about

02:12:09.640 right so if uh this and this happens all the time um essentially it's single mom regret right they'll

02:12:17.480 go and and they'll get knocked up because they really really want to have a kid and then they go

02:12:21.920 fuck i really didn't think this through uh because kid wants dad you know kid wants a dad uh there are

02:12:28.100 women who get now this isn't well studied phenomenon at all right i'm just bringing it up to kind of make

02:12:34.780 an example but there are people who go and they impregnate women as a job they actually will go

02:12:41.640 they'll show up to their house fathers right nope nope they're not surrogate fathers well i mean they

02:12:47.020 are but what they do is they'll post an ad on craigslist saying i will impregnate whoever and they

02:12:52.320 show up to their house and they get these women pregnant sometimes it's with couples sometimes it's

02:12:56.680 not but they did track one guy and i read i read this article not too long ago they tracked this guy

02:13:02.020 he had impregnated like 800 women okay tons i mean he had tons of kids out there um and they went

02:13:10.780 met up with some of these moms and some of them were like yeah probably shouldn't have done that

02:13:15.060 because i really wanted to have a baby but think about the ramifications real trump donated two

02:13:20.140 hundred dollars i can't wait to see andrew's wife on the podcast she did a great job hosting the watch

02:13:26.880 party yesterday and i can't believe brian tried to get the most conservative republican chicken and

02:13:32.780 rice wtf what the fuck was that that was a personally offensive that one the chicken and rice he's never

02:13:38.880 offended me before that was you seemed a little upset by it oh just the previous stream we were

02:13:44.740 door dashing some food and it was like pizza burgers and you got him chicken and rice no i i um no

02:13:51.640 no i got him no i got a big ass cheeseburger got a big yeah big old cheeseburger yeah uh real uh

02:13:59.100 trump appreciate the uh message i have another chat here that i'm gonna pull up we have ta ta

02:14:05.840 donate 100 hey thank you man i don't know what i am okay thank you me neither bro that was the

02:14:13.240 joke that was also a joke and that was my joke about your joke about that joke well meta yeah

02:14:20.080 hey well that's meta to the meta uh last two things here that i have notes for

02:14:25.460 i believe on the show the dating talk that you were on you had said something about you wishing you

02:14:32.860 weren't warned that's something was that a joke that's something that i very quickly backpedaled on

02:14:38.940 okay i think it was it was definitely misconstrued i didn't mean it as like because if i you guys had a

02:14:45.260 valid argument there if i did mean that then i basically was saying that i would have killed

02:14:49.800 myself already but the argument no no saying that word okay sorry about that unalived i would have

02:14:57.040 deleted would have self deleted yeah yoinked myself off the planet um but yoinked

02:15:04.240 he did she yeeted herself off yeah but the point that i was trying to make was he's already

02:15:11.340 mentioned so many times you know children of families that are not traditional or have really

02:15:18.940 rough circumstances for the child um you know sometimes it can be the mom can know before they

02:15:26.960 give birth that they're gonna give birth to a child in awful circumstances with no father or not enough

02:15:32.300 money to take care of them why would they put a child in that circumstance that's basically what

02:15:36.400 i was saying okay okay i'm gonna actually read this one just because it's a nice one ben george

02:15:42.960 thanks for having a cordial debate give her props for willing to be here let's hope she realizes

02:15:46.520 she needs to prioritize her child's needs of her happiness and she does it for herself well there's

02:15:52.840 great hope she's still a damn kid right yeah yeah thank you ben appreciate it let me just double

02:15:57.980 check everything over here uh i guess just final question on on the feminism topic so what rights

02:16:06.600 because you know feminists are fighting for women's rights right so what rights do men have that women

02:16:12.860 don't legally none none okay i think so then what the hell you need feminism for check like i said it's

02:16:24.700 about the ideas not the laws it's about the fact that if i decided to work while also caring for my

02:16:32.200 children i would be called a bad mother prioritizing my happiness over my child but if a man chooses to

02:16:38.820 be more nurturing towards his child he's not considered a bad father for not going out and making more money

02:16:44.960 instead it's like men are allowed to love and take care of their children and be good fathers while also

02:16:52.640 working but women can only be one or the other no that's completely untrue that's a totally untrue

02:17:00.280 bifurcation i don't know where you came up with this idea bad mothers are bad mothers bad fathers are

02:17:04.620 bad fathers so there can be men who are i don't know i guess you could say far more paternal than men

02:17:12.480 who are not who are far worse fathers than men who work all the time and there's men who work all the

02:17:16.800 time are far worse fathers than men who are highly paternal that's really not a good qualifier for

02:17:22.580 that it's like there's women who stay at home with their kids who are terrible mothers and there's

02:17:26.240 women who work who are good mothers but all we're doing is we're trying to associate what we'd like

02:17:31.580 to see as a society same thing with egalitarianism you want all of society to move towards equality

02:17:36.900 i want all of society to move to a different outcome which is towards a stable outcome inside

02:17:43.140 a society which would include a patriarchal system which enables women to be able to stay home with

02:17:48.640 their children because that sounds fucking awesome it doesn't enable them it forces them

02:17:52.720 it doesn't force them how are they being forced what have i said here which would allude would

02:17:57.720 allude to force because they're not allowed to work and they have to stay at home no they're allowed

02:18:03.480 to work you just said they're allowed to work but what you're trying to do daycare yeah what you're

02:18:09.260 trying to do is push society towards women moving out of the workforce which means don't go to

02:18:16.540 college and get a degree it's a waste of your fucking time start a family instead and the

02:18:21.300 government can even create incentives to uh have you start that's impossible in the current state

02:18:26.100 of society though what what you just said no it's not incentives for if i didn't go to college i would

02:18:32.060 be working at a fast food restaurant for the rest of my life no no you could get married and have

02:18:36.620 children i could drop ship okay no you could get married and have children and even have a home

02:18:42.300 business what do you mean okay but i mean like what i'm saying is like let's say a woman is coming

02:18:48.100 out of like poverty and there's no guarantee that men are going to provide for her because you know

02:18:53.480 there's so much feminism out there and men who don't want to pay for women anymore how else is she

02:18:57.940 supposed to guarantee her own financial security well this is the problem right is it's you're moving

02:19:02.660 back to a prioritization of you and you should kind of need money to live you do need money to live

02:19:09.440 that's true but what used to happen is women would stay at home with their parents as they would look

02:19:16.060 for suitors who would marry them what if what if they hated their parents or their parents were abusive

02:19:20.320 they just had to deal with we don't want to move society into all exceptions but that would happen

02:19:24.860 and what would happen is they would move in with their aunts their uncles their extended families and

02:19:29.920 these things were a lot closer together and they had a much better community because there was a lot

02:19:33.860 more of them in these in these uh you know cramped in areas which is a good thing i would like to get

02:19:39.800 back to that to if women have it so much better in that patriarchal society then why wouldn't you want

02:19:44.660 to be a woman in that you want to be a man in that society how could i be a woman in it okay i'm saying

02:19:51.500 theoretically theoretically no theoretically i wouldn't want to be a woman but that's because

02:19:55.940 my ontology can't i can't really understand what that would even entail so i would i could never

02:20:03.560 actually understand um like sex and attraction to men and things like that like i i can't i can't

02:20:11.660 fathom those things but i'm not supposed to be able to that's outside of my purview i can understand

02:20:17.180 to a degree you know what i mean like i can rationalize it and i can logically walk through it

02:20:22.880 but i i don't really understand but i'm saying in the context of you're saying women have it so

02:20:28.600 much better and safer in this patriarchal society wouldn't you want to be wouldn't you want to be a

02:20:34.240 woman in that society like if i had to be born if so logically i'd say yeah it would be way better

02:20:39.060 you would want to be born a woman it would be way better to be a woman you would not be talking to

02:20:42.720 me on this podcast it would be way better to be a woman inside of a patriarchal society like what we had

02:20:48.600 even just 100 years ago leading into just 80 years so you just want to stay at home every day and cook

02:20:54.160 that's what you want what a rough life fucking bastard patriarchist men making us stay at home

02:21:00.820 kids cook and have an enjoyable life do you think unemployed people are happy i mean yeah do you think

02:21:08.700 that all those people got to stay home during the lockdowns for like i really wish i could go to work

02:21:14.340 today instead of sitting on my ass at home and getting a huge paycheck fuck no they loved that

02:21:19.580 shit people and people stayed home with their kids especially the ones stayed home with their kids

02:21:23.620 they stayed with homeschooling homeschooling shot up through the roof because they realized

02:21:27.400 how much superior that system was when they were allowed to do it uh then the system that they were

02:21:33.340 indoctrinated into do people not get gratification from their work of course they do isn't it a part of

02:21:38.280 who they are what identity would they have besides i'm woman i cook clean i'm same as all

02:21:44.000 other woman versus you can say i want to be an astronaut i want to be well this would this

02:21:47.620 political debater i want to be a podcast this assumes anything could ever possibly be more

02:21:51.820 important than being a mother could you think of anything more important than that job i mean

02:21:56.660 the president of the united states probably the president of the united states is is there to protect what

02:22:02.740 the nation i don't know i'm saying mothers right and fathers so i can't think of a more

02:22:09.800 important job for a woman an individual woman than being a mother what about being a father for

02:22:15.720 an individual man why isn't that his most important job is an important job no obviously him going out

02:22:21.380 and making money is more important than him being a father because because he's enabling the mother

02:22:26.200 who has the most important job ever which is being the mother only she can be that to stay home with the

02:22:31.800 kids a great privilege for her to be able to do that stay home with her own kids it she you don't get

02:22:38.200 to decide whether or not that was a great privilege for her i'm not deciding that it whether or not it

02:22:42.860 was a great privilege for this particular woman specifically i'm just saying that the fact that

02:22:48.040 that can even be done in modernity i don't see how you could see it as anything other than a privilege

02:22:53.520 for a woman to be able to do that so if we could live in a communist society where no one had to work

02:22:59.560 and we could all live under like a government or a billionaire as the patriarchy wouldn't you want that

02:23:05.080 aren't you saying you're against like productivity in society communism is the move towards a stateless

02:23:10.640 society communism has the same impossible by the way communists were the original feminists just so

02:23:15.760 you know but i am aware actually yeah but just so you know communism suffers from the same hole in

02:23:20.820 its logic as feminism which is enforcement communism is the move towards a stateless society

02:23:25.640 and who's gonna enforce it yeah i know but i wasn't making an argument so i couldn't i was not

02:23:30.980 making an argument but your argument's not logically possible so i can't even respond to the hypothetical

02:23:35.700 it's not even logically possible what did i ask you again you asked me if you could live in a

02:23:40.960 communist utopia where nobody had to work and you know everybody was just paid equally i could i guess

02:23:47.960 engage and say sure i'd love that if such a thing was possible but i don't even think it's actually

02:23:52.640 logically possible because of the lack of enforcement so i don't even think that that's a valid

02:23:58.520 hypothetical because it's just illogical it's not even possible okay it's like there's some

02:24:04.140 hypotheticals which are not logically possible so they can be rejected

02:24:07.460 okay what what i meant though on a broader scale was is this seems to be a very anti-capitalist

02:24:16.760 mentality to have half the workforce out of the workforce it's not important to me

02:24:21.140 oh but neither is socialism that's worse and what you end up with with pure capitalism is crony

02:24:27.340 capitalism we have we have a great tradition in the united states and globally especially in europe

02:24:33.160 of mercantilism and that's phenomenal that's a fantastic system okay yeah merchants being able to

02:24:39.860 freely trade barter and um you know i understand having a currency like we have now but yeah i think

02:24:47.040 it's a mercantilism will always exist it exists right now but capitalism has become crony i mean

02:24:53.920 crony capitalism is capitalism basically now so yeah not a big fan of how capitalism currently exists

02:25:01.600 oh but it's still a better system than still a better system than socialism and communism

02:25:06.860 well one's a mixed economy i have a type of socialism and then there's like so the socialist communist

02:25:14.320 no so well socialism in its actual form is that the state has control of all industry

02:25:21.700 and communism is a stateless society so socialism is stage one all industry and private industry is

02:25:29.020 owned by the state and then stage two but hadn't you told me on the last podcast that you would also

02:25:33.380 consider before the um abolishment of the system that it would still be socialism if it's a mixed economy

02:25:41.080 you said that i was a socialist on the basis that i believed on a mixed yeah so but that's because

02:25:45.480 the mixing that you want in the economy is the state to own the means of production that's the

02:25:50.580 problem so like health care for instance that's the state owning the means of production yeah but

02:25:54.300 you just posited that it would be all of the means of production that's the end result i was saying

02:25:58.980 there should only be some but socialists are going to start by socializing whatever industries that

02:26:04.940 they can before they socialize the other industries so but then i wouldn't be a socialist i would

02:26:09.480 be a social democrat well no you'd be a socialist because you'd want to see all industries socialized

02:26:15.580 no when did i say that i had told you that i wanted to see some industries socialized like

02:26:19.760 health care you don't want to see all industries socialized i told you i believed in a mixed economy

02:26:23.640 mixed how as in there's still capitalist facets of the economy like which ones what kind

02:26:29.820 okay well i actually i honestly wouldn't even want to get into it because i don't even know what i'd say

02:26:35.300 that's fair okay we have one chat here from idk how to play hey thank you man appreciate it i don't

02:26:40.320 know what extians i don't know what that does any do you know what that is extians

02:26:45.960 citizen oh maybe extians must follow the bible andrew believes in slavery atheists have morals we

02:26:55.420 live in societies and determine the consensus extians believe in fiction oh okay christians believe in

02:27:02.040 fiction good people don't need god to give them rules what makes how do you know they're good

02:27:06.800 what makes a person good they're not mean to other people how do you why is that good

02:27:13.560 um you literally said it yourself a categorical imperative your categorical imperative was me

02:27:19.660 pointing out what that meant not that i followed it i don't follow kantian okay okay um treating people

02:27:25.740 as means rather than ends that's another kantian principle yeah that's the cat that's still the same

02:27:31.760 one yeah but the the question still is what makes it good though what makes it good what's the

02:27:37.700 justification of what is good and what is not good what makes something good what makes something bad

02:27:42.700 other than preference okay you're about to say like facts not feelings but here you're just saying like

02:27:50.760 feelings versus bible and in my humble view feelings are more tangible and real evidence for

02:27:57.700 something happening than i'd say the bible so what makes the thing bad is your feelings yeah

02:28:01.780 how you feel about it that's the case then if another person feels bad about things you feel good

02:28:08.520 about then that would make you bad yeah and they're just as justified in that position as you yeah but

02:28:16.160 that's why in every decision that we make we temper our utility versus how much it's going to harm

02:28:21.460 other people and you i'd say what objective goodness is harm is subjective to decrease the harm is still

02:28:28.020 a subjective metric because what is harm to you may not be harm to him may not be harm to him may not

02:28:32.780 be harm yeah but it's still less subjective than religion and it's just every because religion was just like

02:28:38.480 one man decided and wrote it down this is everyone feels everyone feels the same way you can be

02:28:44.640 empathetic towards anyone who has feelings you don't believe in objective truth um can you give me

02:28:52.980 examples of objective truth that aren't religious yeah the laws of logic uh i don't know probably can

02:29:00.940 the cup be a cup and not a cup at the same time can it be anything other than itself can the law of

02:29:07.940 non-contradiction not exist um i don't know you don't know okay all right i just want to thank

02:29:18.480 i just want to let you know that that's part of an argument for the evidence of god

02:29:21.940 and while people pretend that there is none there is philosophical evidence i did say i was agnostic and

02:29:26.960 not atheist fully all right i do want to thank smash nitro who became a tier five uh member of the

02:29:34.600 channel thank you man very much appreciate your support and patronage thank you man appreciate it

02:29:39.780 we do have a chat here via stream labs from one sec guys it's loading sleepy bear thank you man

02:29:48.420 appreciate the stream labs message self-worth is not to be tied is not be tied to your profession

02:29:54.180 it is tied to your posterity elderly talk about their children not their jobs how you make money is

02:30:00.500 meaningless your children have all meaning there could never be anything more meaningful than your

02:30:06.620 own children what else could there be thank you sleepy bear very much appreciate it guys if you want

02:30:12.240 get your last minute chats in i'd like to uh offer up for now if you'd like to each make a closing

02:30:19.640 statement andrew why don't we have you start yeah i appreciate you coming out tonight for this debate

02:30:24.780 it was very uh very kind of you to do i hope you enjoyed yourself all right i'm not the

02:30:30.220 vicious cruel evil bastard i have been made out to be at least not unless there's a panel full of dumb

02:30:37.180 women then i become that evil rotten no good you know etc etc but i do appreciate the exchange

02:30:43.740 uh your worldview is severely flawed but the one thing about you is you're no dummy i think that

02:30:48.860 you realize that there's some serious flaws there that you got to kind of work out but other than that

02:30:54.960 i appreciated the good faith exchange thank you um yeah like i said i said from the beginning i

02:31:02.060 already felt like i was probably gonna have trouble classifying my views and i know a lot of people

02:31:07.020 are gonna say like oh why is she even like on this podcast first of all like i never said that i was an

02:31:14.140 expert and like i don't know i kind of people just told me it was a dating podcast so i'm not claiming

02:31:19.100 that everything i say is like absolute factual truth i'm just expressing my opinion and trying

02:31:23.200 to make an argument without like hurting other people i don't know or just i like that i was able

02:31:29.200 to have a discussion here and find out that i'm not a utilitarian okay has you changed your mind on

02:31:35.620 anything andrew or pretty still firm on beliefs um uh he's definitely made some points that i've had to

02:31:44.720 concede to with my own views i don't think he's convinced me of any of his views but i think i

02:31:50.500 definitely have to concede like on certain stuff like when i said that i wish that i was aborted or

02:31:55.780 like the utilitarian thing i do think you you did a pretty good gotcha there with that one so yeah i

02:32:01.240 think there are points where i'd have to backpedal and concede that i don't make a perfect argument

02:32:05.760 every time but i would still say i believe in my own views okay what if i was if i had delivered this

02:32:11.560 entire thing the meanest way i possibly could think of but made the same points would you still have

02:32:19.300 the same opinion

02:32:20.040 even though i would like i wouldn't be like i wouldn't storm out if you did that i think i would

02:32:31.360 just be also very annoying to deal with and i don't think either of us would have made any

02:32:35.780 productive discussion it would have been more entertaining should we do it like for five

02:32:42.380 minutes you guys want to just go at each other no just kidding uh let's see we're going to uh

02:32:47.300 a couple quick things nick could you pull up the twitch guys i hope you enjoyed the stream just

02:32:51.980 stick tight for just a bit guys go to our twitch twitch oh whoa whoa no no no no no no no no just the

02:32:59.980 followers guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have one

02:33:09.380 uh twitch has a better streaming quality and we're actually going to be starting up uh i we're it's in

02:33:17.100 the works but we're going to have madison streaming on off days on our twitch account so guys that's why

02:33:23.260 i've been pushing the twitch be sure to follow us over there on twitch twitch.tv slash whatever if you

02:33:27.980 have an available amazon prime drop us a prime sub yo uh raz thank you for the prime there man

02:33:33.000 appreciate it uh drop us oh look at oh my god the follow they're they're on fire look at all these

02:33:38.280 guys coming in thank you guys so much uh drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if you have one over

02:33:42.760 there on twitch those of you who are on twitch we will be doing a raid but before i do that i just want

02:33:48.320 to end the debate by just saying uh thank you to both of you for coming appreciate it and certainly a

02:33:54.860 little extra credit for you just because um you know andrew's andrew's tough he's he's been doing

02:34:01.480 this for a long time and um you know it's um you're having your worldview challenge and i you go to uh

02:34:09.880 you're in university right now and i don't know if you hear much of differing opinions so uh credit to

02:34:17.640 you by the way let this be a lesson to the whatever audience i see you people bitching in

02:34:23.780 the comments about me being too mean right bet you people wish that it would have been a fire

02:34:29.720 blood sport ass debate didn't you i bet you all wish that shit you only called me dumb like once

02:34:34.760 i wish you wish it was a fiery brutal over-the-top blood sport debate and that you're regretting that

02:34:40.720 whole uh mentality of be nice right about now that's what you get that's what you know wait

02:34:48.860 they they no there's just a few chatters who were always like i wish it andrew oh i wish it andrew

02:34:55.960 we just okay well that was me being super nice and having the productive conversation that you wanted

02:35:01.000 didn't like it that much did you i think they enjoyed it i'm joking i'm joking i'm joking do you think

02:35:08.380 we should have done the like just we need one blood sport would be good one blood sport debate

02:35:13.300 i'll come back up we'll set up something big we'll get something actually more evil to do that with

02:35:18.000 one-on-ones i think like if you would put me and the girl before me together it could have been a

02:35:22.320 no no no it's really easy to do with one-on-ones you just got to get the right yeah easy but i'm

02:35:26.800 saying it would have been more like painful to watch oh yeah yeah uh let me see here oh a couple

02:35:33.040 things so the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever

02:35:39.040 channel so guys we will be live again certainly with a dating talk sunday and tuesday as is our norm

02:35:47.740 uh i do want to say gg well played to the both of you thank you guys appreciate it uh those of you

02:35:54.380 watching on youtube hit the like button thank you for tuning in thank you to everyone who supports

02:35:58.060 super chats donate supports the show etc etc who's your uh male guest coming up oh uh i kind of well

02:36:05.220 we have jake rattlesnake tv yeah coming back he's great yep and then we have q after that the following

02:36:12.580 week and um he's great too yeah he's awesome so we've got some good guests lined up got some good

02:36:17.980 panelists lined up too so over there let me see we're gonna do a raid on twitch uh so like the video

02:36:25.860 on youtube those of you who are on twitch nick if you could pull it up we're going to uh pull up

02:36:31.360 okay so those of you on twitch thank you for watching over there on twitch drop us a follow

02:36:38.180 before you leave i'm gonna raid exact reality matt who's wait nick i oh oh oh that's weird he's like

02:36:47.120 watching a video okay i'm gonna raid him right now he looks tired he's been he's been streaming for

02:36:52.500 10 and a half hours playing world of warcraft season season of discovery so um the gloves have

02:36:58.940 come on i'm gonna raid him out iran's response is okay the raid should be going through guys so he's

02:37:05.300 playing a he's playing a warlock we've saw a demonstration of what it can do there it is

02:37:11.260 pause that shit matt oh shit it is brian and the whatever podcast okay we are we are doing uh

02:37:20.500 world war three coverage we're talking about iran and israel watching some news videos i don't know

02:37:25.700 if you guys heard the news brian thank you very much thank you thank you oh my god i was getting

02:37:29.640 tired here too i'm awake we woke him up he's been streaming for 10 and a half hours pretty much if

02:37:35.100 you guys are tuning in we're kind of talking politics tonight israel was launching uh that's it

02:37:40.440 i hope you guys enjoyed the stream over there on twitch um you can you can pause that those of you

02:37:44.920 watching on youtube thank you guys really appreciate it oh sevens in the chat guys oh sevens in the chat

02:37:51.220 and uh oh wait do we talk about andrew do we talk about the drama no not okay oh sevens in the chat

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