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00:03:23.660 podcast without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your

00:03:28.740 name age location and occupation god hi my name is renee um i'm 19 years old i'm a second year at ucsb

00:03:36.920 in my major's political science and i'm currently working as a server where are you from uh originally

00:03:42.640 i'm from orange county anaheim good old disneyland gotcha what about you hi i'm dahlia i'm 20 i'm from

00:03:49.980 san francisco and i'm currently going to santa barbara city college for nursing all right welcome

00:03:55.160 hi i'm keisha and i i'm originally from canada i'm an american indian though um and i my occupation

00:04:06.080 uh i do a podcast with my father he's a mechanical engineer and we exposed uh in early 2020 the

00:04:14.000 improper contagion mitigations for the covid pandemic or the pandemic whatever um and how it's tied to

00:04:19.520 election interference treason and trafficking and uh bioterrorism and so we kind of do that on the

00:04:25.400 podcast uh and i i don't know if i said my age but i'm 27 all right welcome and are you from the

00:04:32.220 french-speaking part of canada i am i'm originally from manitoba um which is it's english and french i

00:04:40.120 guess do you speak french uh yes a little bit i'm petite okay what about you um my name is reina and

00:04:47.600 i'm 21 and um my occupation i've had only fans for the past two years but i'm looking for a new

00:04:54.240 occupation what did you so you quit right or um yeah i pretty much quit yeah what what is pretty much

00:05:02.240 well so i'm was working with my ex-boyfriend uh on only fans for like the past two years but

00:05:09.780 we got in this point in our relationship where we both just wanted to quit

00:05:13.720 um and so yeah so i'm living off my revenue and i'm looking for a new job were you doing any other

00:05:20.740 kind of uh s work besides of yeah i did a mainstream i don't know if i can say the word

00:05:27.900 adult content adult content yeah okay any dancing no no dancing hi my name is faith i am 21 i'm an

00:05:38.000 arizona native however i'm currently living in central california um i go to arizona state uh and

00:05:45.560 i'm in the honors college that they have there i'm studying psychology but i'm also getting my

00:05:49.300 certificate in art education and um i currently work at a grocery store and i am also a wife

00:05:56.340 all right awesome hi i'm millie weaver i'm a conservative journalist uh big on youtube millennial

00:06:04.000 millie on youtube and um i'm also a co-founder of a tech company called qux which provides disruptive

00:06:11.200 technology that doesn't spy on you or collect data on you i'm also a co-founder of sleuth army which is

00:06:18.000 a army of researchers and sleuths that do investigations um i'm also the vice chair of the women's networking

00:06:25.620 club did you say your age i am 33 years old and i'm a mother of two all right welcome hi thanks for

00:06:33.560 having me my name is alicia i am 36 years old i am originally from albuquerque new mexico but i

00:06:39.680 currently reside in la and i am a um what is my oh sorry i'm a stay-at-home mom okay hi my name is eden

00:06:51.420 i'm 21 i'm from fresno california and i work in the tech department of a non-profit and i'm studying

00:07:01.000 computer science

00:07:02.200 okay right into it okay sorry your age uh 21 all right got it andrew yeah my name is andrew wilson

00:07:13.660 host of the crucible it's the fastest growing debate channel on youtube um i do political satire

00:07:19.140 i'm a political commentator and i'm a blood sport debater all right welcome everybody so we're gonna

00:07:24.820 go around the table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single

00:07:30.920 talking stage situationship friends with benefits relationship married polycule sex cult whatever it

00:07:37.260 may be if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever

00:07:42.860 been in starting with you go ahead well you chose the youngest one to go first um i'm currently single

00:07:48.620 the longest relationship i've ever been in was um i think does it even count if i was in high school

00:07:57.300 september 2020 to april 2022 okay so two years about how long have you been single did you say that oh

00:08:08.640 i've been single since february right before valentine's day you got dumped like the day before

00:08:14.440 no no no like a few days before you you wait so they broke up with you though it's it's complicated

00:08:22.540 so you've been single for like two months yeah right um in our orientation i'm straight straight

00:08:29.780 okay two months so it was a mutual breakup then well no we we had we were on and off up until that

00:08:37.500 point that was the last time we were in contact it was messy yeah how many times was it on and off

00:08:43.700 how many like breakups were there um i i blocked him in october and then i texted him again probably

00:08:51.220 like beginning of november and then he blocked me again in january like middle of january and then

00:08:58.600 he unblocked me again like a week later and then by the beginning of february was done

00:09:03.440 it's a lot of blocking a lot of blocking unblocking wait so you would block him but it sounds like you

00:09:10.320 would so you would end it but you would also kind of reach back out i really hope he's not watching

00:09:14.700 this uh yeah both of us sort of kind of like kind of toxic it was a little toxic so how many times

00:09:21.460 total you said there were two times total that it was off i mean in that in that period of time yes

00:09:29.120 well in the that wasn't our first time ever but in that in the entire in the entire duration of

00:09:33.820 the relationship no we had broken up before that how many like how many times total probably two

00:09:39.260 other times let's say four total four okay four total uh so four times total and then you ended

00:09:45.140 it each time no it was definitely alternating for alternating reasons okay i see this is very

00:09:52.040 complicated relationship it was like a situationship and then we started dating and then we stopped

00:09:56.820 dating and then we kept talking and then we got back together so what are the odds you guys get back

00:10:01.180 together again he just texted me today after two months don't do it don't i won't i won't um what

00:10:07.420 did he say hey that's it oh he gave you the hey okay uh and are you uh contemplating getting back with

00:10:16.820 him getting back with them is a strong word i i i would like a a fat apology first you need a fat

00:10:24.620 apology yeah you need a fat apology yeah not hey did you text him back when he said hey i haven't yet

00:10:30.940 are you going to we'll see if there is there's no fat apology um i don't know depends depends who

00:10:39.980 dms me after the show if there is a fat apology are you taking him back

00:10:44.360 and i would probably need like a few weeks after the apology that's kind of what happened when we

00:10:50.860 were on and off i'd be like okay like i'm not gonna date you yet but like let's let's take some time

00:10:55.560 and see if you can prove to me that you've improved is this like is this long distance or does he

00:11:00.440 live in santa barbara okay all right and uh and how long were you uh seeing this guy i met him

00:11:09.540 my first week of my freshman year of college okay and you're a sophomore currently yeah okay

00:11:14.980 so you guys been on and off seeing each other for a year and a half or so or almost two years but

00:11:21.620 like i haven't contact him contacted him in two months two months and yes was it sorry today oh

00:11:27.340 today he said okay i know wow crazy luck to be on the show and during those off any of the off periods

00:11:34.980 or during this most recent uh you know you've been single for two months uh have there been other

00:11:40.700 people in the picture yeah like most uh i kind of asked you two questions there most recently have

00:11:49.740 there been like in the past two months have you been seeing other people yeah i mean i have dating

00:11:56.340 apps dating so i just which we'll do the dating app review a little later on um and then what about

00:12:02.120 those in between breaks did did you see other people did he see other people

00:12:06.020 for the last two we both saw other people in between and did it bother you at all that he was

00:12:13.880 seeing other people it didn't when i was seeing other people but then i stopped seeing other people

00:12:19.440 and then he started seeing other people and that bothered me and did it bother him when you were

00:12:24.860 seeing it wasn't at first but then i actually started doing it see that because it was a situationship

00:12:29.820 he was like oh no we don't have to be exclusive and then i started seeing other people and he was like

00:12:34.000 we have to be exclusive what is wrong with you gotcha and so what um what did he do that

00:12:40.260 necessitates a fat apology i think you called it oh my gosh i don't does she have some relationship

00:12:48.020 drama she wants to spill or like i won't go too too long on this i'm just curious uh yeah if they

00:12:53.900 were like the reader's digest version okay well oh wow i'll just spill it why not um he's in a frat

00:13:02.440 and i went to a frat date party with him and it was after all the different breakups and i was i'd

00:13:10.800 asked him like oh did you invite anyone before me and he was like nah i was joking like because he had

00:13:14.800 told me before he was going to invite someone else he invited another girl before he invited me and she

00:13:20.860 couldn't go and i found out and then she told i told her he's still with his ex or like he's still

00:13:28.140 doing stuff with his ex and he got super mad at me and then he texted her that he never knew who i was

00:13:34.040 he texted her that he texted her that he never even knew who i was and you guys were together at

00:13:39.760 this point when he invited this other girl no we weren't anymore i was i was his ex who he took to

00:13:43.900 the date party but i was thinking like oh my god he wants me back you know what i mean huh oh so you

00:13:49.520 were like second choice kind of yeah for the date party yeah can i just say that i think you genuinely

00:13:54.760 deserve so much better than that as a human being just clarity and i think honesty i you you deserve

00:14:01.260 better i think everyone does well we don't know his side of right story oh um i mean i could should

00:14:08.040 we it would be i could take up the whole podcast yeah don't ever be a guy's number two if if you're

00:14:15.940 seen in his mind as a number two yeah look elsewhere don't put up with that disrespect and so he's in a

00:14:22.820 fraternity you're at city college is that correct no you're at ucsb are you in a sorority no no okay

00:14:28.620 all right frac i sick up no okay all right you don't tell us which frat he's in but um okay got it

00:14:37.160 well we can maybe uh get some more a little bit later what about you um i'm single right now and then

00:14:44.300 i've been single since like the end of or like this summer i guess yeah and then so like nine

00:14:52.620 nine months yeah six months pretty much yeah seven months yeah like june ish i would say they can't

00:15:00.740 all be yeah right like june yeah i don't know sorry the end of the school year i would say nine months

00:15:06.020 when summer started okay yeah we'll say nine nine ten months okay yeah uh how and longest relationship

00:15:12.600 um like three years three years we kind of were off for a little bit but we're still talking and

00:15:19.760 we just like didn't see anybody and then we got back together but it was solid for two years was

00:15:25.380 that the one that ended nine months ago yeah okay got it all right uh and who ended that um it was kind

00:15:34.900 of mutual like we both kind of just we kind of outgrew each other i met him when i was 15 so and he

00:15:42.100 was moving back to the bay area and i'm living here so it just kind of fading away oh it was long

00:15:48.360 distance yeah and we were just already kind of fading away fading out so okay it's just kind of

00:15:53.860 the best thing and you said it was on again off again a little bit or um no just like once okay one

00:16:00.360 time yeah yeah just for a couple months he we both still lived here still talked to each other

00:16:06.240 didn't see anybody else um and then kind of realized that we still really like loved each other

00:16:12.300 so yeah then we got back together and you know we just faded out okay what about you

00:16:19.860 um i've been i'm single i've been single for like a few years and i guess the longest relationship

00:16:29.820 that i've had was like a year you've been single a few years um so you're 27 now when's the last time

00:16:38.340 you were i guess not single um 23 24 uh well i guess it's like kind of complicated because i mean

00:16:48.160 i had like uh so like i was in a relationship but that was not i don't think that can really count

00:16:57.880 as a relationship because i don't know it's like it's hard to like explain but pretty much like

00:17:04.260 when it's not funny but like it's funny because it's not funny wait he so started dating men no so

00:17:13.500 like i i had a relationship but it's like my dad said it's not really a relationship because like

00:17:18.880 when we started exposing a lot of like the stuff during the pandemic uh they ended up turning on the

00:17:26.740 person ended up turning on me and my family and was involved in like like trafficking like me and

00:17:32.180 my family so it doesn't really count but that's like the last what wait trafficking you and your

00:17:37.180 family yeah tracking trafficking like human trafficking so like it's not it wasn't like a real relationship

00:17:42.240 trafficking your family yeah me and the whole the whole family he was involved in trafficking like

00:17:48.060 me and what you said you're from canada like so he's trying to trap canada he's trying to traffic

00:17:52.280 you to the united states that's not what i said i just said that he was involved in like human

00:17:57.560 trafficking me and my family so it wasn't a real relationship but that was like the last i'm really

00:18:02.420 stuck on this though what do you mean trafficking you and your family human trafficking yeah i know

00:18:07.560 what financial and exploitation of an individual yeah so but how though like how what in what way

00:18:15.060 was he trafficking was he trafficking i i i don't even know how i can make that question more clear

00:18:24.320 like the financial and the sexual exploitation of the individual so i know what it means he was

00:18:30.660 involved in it there's a lot behind it and if you really want more information i can get that to you

00:18:36.780 at another time but i'm just saying it was not a real relationship for that reason um my father said

00:18:43.460 that there's a lot to the situation that i'm not going to understand and i think that's true

00:18:47.440 i'm just saying that i it wasn't a real relationship but it was the last situation

00:18:53.120 that i was in and that was like years ago so was he was trafficking like brothers and sisters or

00:19:00.380 did you hear what i just said i said if you want more information you can get it from my father

00:19:04.540 but there's information surrounding it that i'm not going to understand because men were involved

00:19:11.020 in creating those circumstances how did you how did you meet meet him was it a dating app no um it was

00:19:18.080 at a university he was a student there yeah were you a student there yes was was he about your age

00:19:24.800 yes so what age were you what age was he when you guys met um like 20 19 or 20 and he was

00:19:35.800 canadian citizen yes was he involved in like gangs or what gangs i i don't know i suppose gangs are

00:19:48.800 involved in i don't know trafficking i don't know if he was involved in gangs like i said there is a lot

00:19:53.760 of information that i'm not privy to um but that's just what the situation was so hello and you said you

00:20:01.220 were dating him for one year is this the one you said you were in a relationship for one year but

00:20:05.760 is this the one that you're not sure if it was a relationship no i'm telling you it wasn't a

00:20:09.720 relationship because but is that the one you were seeing him for one year no so i said the relationship

00:20:17.660 was about like a year um but uh we were married and then ended up splitting because of that so like i said

00:20:28.060 when my father and i started exposing the crimes during the pandemic he ended up turning on

00:20:33.560 me and my family um your husband your husband did yes and uh and were you and your husband living

00:20:40.500 together no not at that time so you were married but you weren't living with him well he had

00:20:46.500 we really don't need to get too much into it but he had put me in the hospital um and so that's why

00:20:53.480 i was staying with my dad um and then he ended up getting involved in a lot of stuff against my

00:21:00.280 family like uh when we exposed all these stuff we ended up losing our house um our cars corporate

00:21:06.600 assets my sister was stolen haven't seen her in like four years wait your sister was stolen yes

00:21:13.320 she was trafficked so i haven't seen her for four years by him no people that were involved so there

00:21:19.420 was multiple like agencies involved but i mean would you know where she's located no are you

00:21:26.780 do you mean three letter agencies came in and got her there was multiple agencies involved so i worked

00:21:32.980 for the government and my dad is a mechanical engineer and we were exposing different agencies

00:21:39.360 in the area what branch of the government did you work for um the saskatchewan health authority

00:21:45.020 okay it's a provincial government so um pretty much uh we were exposing how that like i said the

00:21:53.660 improper contagion mitigation procedures for the pandemic were used for election interference

00:21:59.080 bioterrorism treason against canada and the united states um human trafficking yeah if we can't get

00:22:04.180 into well we can't get into this that's why we don't need the details about that yeah just

00:22:09.060 if you want more well no no no hang on hang on just because we can't say those words those

00:22:14.540 specifics words we can still at least figure out or try to figure out because this is wild right so

00:22:20.880 we went from you're in a relationship to know you were actually married and your husband started

00:22:26.300 trafficking members of your family and your sister is gone and has been gone for years and you don't

00:22:30.600 know where she is you could see where we're like what is going on here like i said there's a lot it's

00:22:35.460 not something that you can just explain in like five minutes so like i said it wasn't a real

00:22:39.300 relationship and you can leave it at that and if you want more information like i said

00:22:43.060 you can more than welcome to reach out to dale richardson on twitter or his email or whatever

00:22:47.500 all right moving on what about you um all right i'm recently single i kind of forgot the rest of

00:22:53.800 the questions i got out of relationship a couple months ago and that was my longest relationship and

00:23:00.840 we were dating for about two a little over two years so okay two years and you said you recently got

00:23:07.700 out of it uh how long or how long ago um about three months ago so you've been single for three

00:23:14.000 months okay i am currently married i've been married for four months so we're broke newlyweds

00:23:22.300 um and uh our marriage is definitely very traditional and and i like it like that um but

00:23:29.840 yeah um you said married for three months four months four months and how long were you guys

00:23:36.500 together before that not long um less than a year actually so so you've been together you've been

00:23:42.980 together for a year or it's a year and four months um no um i'm sorry this is okay this is my fault

00:23:49.960 you're fine um so we met in june and then we got married in december so we were together for less

00:23:56.620 than a year yeah so we've been literally married and together plus for less than a year it was very

00:24:01.460 very fast but so you were dating for like five months about and then got married so you've been

00:24:07.080 together for about nine nine months yes okay and is that your is this your longest relationship

00:24:12.280 uh no it's not um i had one that was slightly longer um about i would say a year and two months

00:24:19.680 uh but that was back in high school i ended it um okay are you guys the same age yes uh well he's a

00:24:26.900 younger than i am but close enough then your husband oh uh no so my uh my husband uh is just

00:24:35.220 a year younger than i am and um the person that or the guy i was with for a year and two months uh was

00:24:42.760 just a year older than i was but so you're older than your husband yeah so you're like a cougar

00:24:46.560 basically i know yes i do we joke about that all right okay how did you and your husband meet

00:24:53.860 um we actually met at the worst possible place for couples to meet uh we met at the club um i

00:24:59.300 yeah um amen to that um so he uh it was his very first time ever at a club and it was my last time

00:25:09.200 ever at one my friend and i went up to uh berkeley and uh the little sort of show that we were gonna

00:25:16.580 see there that little concert uh we just ended up taking too long and we didn't make it and we were

00:25:21.820 like we're antsy let's let's get out and do something and that's what ended up being on the

00:25:26.920 radar because you know what happens after 11 o'clock um and uh and yeah so we met there and there was

00:25:34.740 this total creeper following me around and uh and so of course you know you do that thing where if

00:25:40.380 there's a guy that's you know bothering you you make eye contact with someone else and give them the

00:25:44.780 look of help me please and uh he just came right up to me pretended like he knew me of like hey i've been

00:25:50.320 looking for you you know and uh we had like a three hour long conversation about going down the

00:25:54.920 rabbit hole about you know the government politics short form content all that sort of stuff and he's

00:25:59.320 just super intellectual and yeah we just clicked really well so now how old did you say you were

00:26:03.800 again i'm 21 do you buy him alcohol i'll do anything for my husband okay it's just like of course

00:26:14.760 so he uh the way like you didn't know him you made eyes with him because some other guy was

00:26:21.780 bothering you yes and that's kind of how you guys you guys met yes yes okay all right yeah

00:26:27.520 millennial millie what about you so my longest relationship is just about 12 years and obviously

00:26:35.800 that's my husband that i'm with we have two kids and what else do you want to know uh no so you've

00:26:43.280 been uh you you said you've been together for 12 years you're married almost 12 years yeah how long

00:26:47.960 have you been married for um we common law married pretty soon after getting together okay so you're

00:26:55.920 common law married um but did you have like a an official marriage or not an official marriage we

00:27:02.920 don't want to get the state mingled in our affairs do you have a covenant marriage huh do you have a

00:27:08.380 covenant marriage yeah basically we're like covenant with god common law married we don't want the state

00:27:13.960 and the judges was it officiated by a church i know a covenant marriage officiated by a church yes by a

00:27:20.720 christian church but we just didn't want to ever register it yeah that's fine yeah okay

00:27:24.960 my relationship status i am married and i have been my longest relationship has been 16 years

00:27:33.360 and is that your current yes it is all right and how long have you been married so we haven't had

00:27:40.000 our wedding yet but we technically are legally married um okay and we like i said we've been

00:27:46.060 together 16 years so wait so you how long have you been legally married legally married i think it

00:27:51.040 would be a couple years a couple years okay no ceremony though no uh there's a few details that

00:27:58.440 we want to iron out i want to actually get married in a catholic church okay he's not catholic is he

00:28:03.900 he is not yeah so they wouldn't marry you well i think they actually would um but i haven't completed

00:28:10.640 my sacrament of um what is it uh confirmation so you haven't been confirmed in the catholic church

00:28:18.240 i haven't no okay so are you a catechuleman uh well i was baptized and i had my first holy

00:28:24.040 community when i was very young oh okay and then i um okay was a fallen catholic oh briefly well not

00:28:30.420 briefly what does that mean fallen catholic meaning like i had a year or actually like 17 years of

00:28:36.620 just falling away from my faith um kind of becoming more atheistic okay so you're you're going back and

00:28:46.240 your priest said that he wanted you to go back through this before acceptance or i'm sorry i

00:28:49.940 said that your priest said he wanted you to go through a b and c before you accepted back or

00:28:53.740 no um so now that we have decided we wanted to get married that's where i want to get married is in a

00:28:59.740 catholic church um so i have to be confirmed and i think he may just have to be baptized um because

00:29:07.220 i've met i've talked to a few people like for instance my aunt she's catholic uh but her husband

00:29:13.140 is jewish so they were able to get married in a catholic church okay yeah what about you um i am in

00:29:20.340 a committed relationship it's the longest relationship that i've ever been in it's been

00:29:25.060 about one and a half years i would say and it is an age gap relationship so my boyfriend is 11 years

00:29:32.800 older than me so he's 32 33 yeah okay 21 32 all right how did you guys meet um we actually met at

00:29:43.340 the mall he hit on me funny enough just what was his opening line um he just asked for my number

00:29:50.680 but was straight up yeah what's your number like what's your number well i mean no hi he was like

00:29:57.340 hey i think you're really pretty and then he just asked for my number and we went on a date after that

00:30:02.600 all right he took a shot it worked good good shit all right uh andrew your relationship status i'm

00:30:11.600 married i've been married for 12 years uh yeah okay great so uh i've got some pre-show notes here

00:30:20.680 that i'm gonna start with uh really quick keisha right you said on your twitter i saw this men play

00:30:29.260 chess women play checkers i was curious i was a little i was curious what what do you mean by that

00:30:35.620 so like my dad raised me to understand that men play chess and women play checkers so that they have

00:30:43.920 a completely different line of thinking than women do and um i didn't really used to like

00:30:51.200 understand what he's talking about but as i got older i did and especially the last couple of years

00:30:55.660 i see in real time every day men uh creating circumstances for things that women don't see

00:31:01.900 whether it be positive or negative and men are meant to do that he said because they are the leaders

00:31:07.080 in the home so they're supposed to create the circumstances for their family's success

00:31:10.580 and they do that by chess and it happens completely unbeknownst to women uh because we just don't

00:31:17.240 think in that way and that's a good thing like they have a very like a strong ability to compartmentalize

00:31:23.800 and uh so that they can keep going in difficult situations uh and hardships that chisel them

00:31:29.940 rather than uh cripple women right um just that's how they become great men and fathers uh okay

00:31:40.020 yeah could you give an example of how what does it mean women play with chess like you mean men play

00:31:46.920 chess yeah okay sorry women play for example does anybody play like tic-tac-toe in this

00:31:52.640 i mean they might i don't know the tic-tac-toe okay but uh an example of this i would say is a lot of

00:32:00.040 women um feminists who are in power um a lot of times they think that they are the ones pulling the

00:32:07.200 strings and making decisions and men are giving them positions of power so that they can feel like

00:32:11.600 uh they're making good moves whole time the men are behind the scenes pulling the strings on what

00:32:18.100 they're doing and even actually more in control than they understand them to be and just using

00:32:24.220 the women as a pawn so they're playing chess in real time and moving all the pieces on the board

00:32:29.180 meanwhile the women think they're making decisions but the men are just setting them up to do exactly what

00:32:33.800 they want whether they decide to submit or not so a lot of women are like oh i would never submit to

00:32:39.040 a man but in in actuality either with men in society whether you choose to submit or not they're

00:32:46.000 gonna make you submit like you either choose to submit to a husband and a father who loves and cares

00:32:51.240 about you and god or you're gonna submit to someone in corporate america that's just gonna play chess

00:32:57.120 moves with you for their own benefit and their own family so that's a real-time example judges lawyers

00:33:03.440 whatever

00:33:03.980 word now do any of the girls disagree with her um i i'd say i agree with most of what kesha said

00:33:16.180 um i i would push back a little bit like i i don't think that we should underestimate the

00:33:22.200 capabilities of some women i would say that overall many women especially when they're younger

00:33:28.080 sorry when they're younger when they're younger girls um they i could see them being kind of like

00:33:35.440 that um that same thing you're talking about where they're they're playing checkers and they're not

00:33:40.060 thinking things through but i think as women get older and they start to become more mature in

00:33:44.160 business and other different things they can start to see things through but i think you're right in

00:33:49.080 that men do kind of have innate um talent for seeing things down but i wouldn't disregard that

00:33:55.720 there are women that are capable of some of those things as well especially women that work in

00:33:59.160 intelligence yeah but they're the outliers right it's like everyone always wants to point to the

00:34:03.160 outliers but they are outliers for sure well i'm if i could interject i'm sorry yeah i don't actually

00:34:10.800 i'm not actually undermining women's uh capability uh and capacity when i say that they play checkers

00:34:16.840 i'm actually speaking to the greater point of the individuality and the way that god created man and

00:34:21.660 women and the power that women have when they come to understand that they don't think like men and

00:34:27.100 they're not men because then you're able to work most efficiently with men and you're able to just

00:34:33.120 do your own like for example i learned this working with my dad the last couple of years i might tell

00:34:38.420 something to my dad like oh dad like this is gonna happen like i know for sure like i can see this

00:34:43.440 coming down the line and he's like okay keisha chill and i'm like come on man like i know what

00:34:48.200 i'm talking about and in a couple of weeks it might happen and i tell him like that i told you that was

00:34:52.800 gonna happen he's like keisha that's cool but i needed to demonstrate every step of the way exactly

00:34:57.560 how this happened the who what when where why how and all you were looking at was the end result

00:35:02.660 and i see a lot of times women we look at the outcome rather than the steps to get there and we

00:35:07.380 don't know the steps which is why we're really bad at creating solutions women just want to feel

00:35:11.680 better men actually want to create the solution to solve the problem so men play chess because they

00:35:17.440 pull the strings on many situations and literally create the circumstances for that success in real

00:35:23.120 time and mitigate the problem the consequences of the problem in real time women cannot do that

00:35:28.440 i've come across multiple women in multiple different areas of life i've never ever seen a woman

00:35:34.720 beat a man at chess and it doesn't matter how smart the woman is or how smart the man is it has

00:35:40.300 nothing to do with iq it's simply the way that men think versus the way women think we're just

00:35:45.080 different and i'm glad we're different because when i see all the things that my father does on a

00:35:49.160 day-to-day basis to work like he gets up he like does his smoothie does his workout he goes

00:35:55.860 works like 16 hours a day does another like exercise two bible studies during the day

00:36:00.940 have constant attacks continuously and he's still going like a machine he can do all of that but i'm

00:36:07.900 sitting here like okay i need to take a nap you know and i'm not i'm not like dumb in any capacity

00:36:13.280 but it's just sorry sorry it's just the fact that they have that ability to make a lot of things

00:36:19.020 happen regardless of what's going on you're speaking in nature the ontology you're not talking so you're

00:36:23.540 saying by nature the nature of these things are totally different well yeah yeah because god created

00:36:29.760 us i mean god created us sorry i did not mean i accidentally pressed i was just switching the

00:36:36.060 camera angles but i accidentally pressed the button all right yeah well it is true though that men and

00:36:40.600 women think differently i will say that is true and that they each have their strengths and their

00:36:45.700 weaknesses like one example in really in the roles that i think god wanted us to really portray and

00:36:53.120 fulfill in our lives like even i naturally find it's very easy to multitask as a woman versus my

00:37:00.220 husband he can't you know cook and watch the kids and you know clean or do this and do that do a million

00:37:06.660 different things at the same time he he has to be able to have quiet and focus on one thing whereas

00:37:12.580 with women we are naturally wired to be able to do things and that's because we actually our brains are

00:37:18.220 slightly different and then we have more interconnecting nerves between both sides of our left and

00:37:23.080 right hemisphere of our brain so yeah but she's talking about something different she's she's going

00:37:27.280 deeper than that she's talking about the nature itself from its being its state of being and saying that

00:37:33.020 within men's nature on this planet their nature is to look at a situation and then they're mitigating

00:37:40.620 bad outcomes and maximizing good outcomes and that women are generally not doing that they're just

00:37:45.980 benefiting from the either good outcome or the bad outcome that i think that's what you're getting

00:37:50.700 at right yeah like because and you mentioned that uh men uh don't multitask i think they do it in a

00:37:57.580 different way because like i said like watching my dad over the past couple of years lose absolutely

00:38:03.020 everything you know filing things in court doing his engineer mechanical engineering still trying to

00:38:08.780 mitigate my life and my sisters and his and everyone around him and doing everything to help all

00:38:13.980 these different people at the same time while maintaining his physical mental and emotional

00:38:18.700 health i think that men um they multitask in a way that's protective in a way that benefits the system

00:38:25.900 as a whole like everything that they have to do is not just going to benefit them one like in that moment

00:38:31.100 it's benefiting long term and like just destroying the attacks and like real time from multiple different

00:38:38.220 angles so i think it's we were created to do two different things and they're equally as valuable

00:38:45.340 so women playing checkers is just as valuable as chess but it has to work together in order to

00:38:50.380 to make the system move the way it needs to can i ask you a personal question sure was your mother in

00:38:55.660 your life it seems like your dad is like a big hero for you he is my dad is like a g like he's an

00:39:02.620 i call him the ot engineer um i do know my mom but i was primarily raised by my father and my

00:39:08.220 grandmother and great-grandmother yeah it's just because like i i wouldn't say i fundamentally

00:39:13.660 disagree with with you guys with what you guys are saying but i'm not i'm atheist or agnostic i'm

00:39:19.500 not practicing of any religion but i grew up in the church for 16 years so my mom made me go every

00:39:23.660 weekend and i'm baptist well why are you wearing a cross if you're atheist for fashion and irony i don't

00:39:31.020 know yeah sorry is that blasphemous but um uh it's kind of like a fashion it's just kind of strange

00:39:38.300 it's definitely a trend you know i mean i still grew up in the church i still say i'm spiritual

00:39:42.620 but i just i'm not practicing um i don't like follow the gospel like that but so you more so

00:39:47.820 like believe in god and jesus but just not the church structure no i i just i have a connection to

00:39:54.940 the church and i'd say i have a connection to my spirituality but i don't believe i don't believe

00:40:00.060 that i would know if there was a creator okay yeah so just relativism yeah but back to my point

00:40:06.700 what i was saying was like i feel like i do agree but i don't think it's fair to women out there

00:40:12.700 especially women who do work to organize their lives around their families because i had a single a

00:40:17.260 single mom and the way you describe your dad is reminds me of the way i felt about my mom you know

00:40:22.060 and um although i do think women are more emotional and that like increased emotional response can lead to

00:40:27.500 like playing checkers instead of chess i think i think maybe when women are able to subtract men

00:40:33.340 from their lives or like just like i don't know i i think that there are women out there who can play

00:40:39.900 life like a chess game or that like i wish i could say that i could you know even though don't you think

00:40:45.100 your mom probably had to lean into her masculinity because she was a single mom oh definitely but i don't

00:40:49.500 see a problem with leaning into your masculinity but i wish i could act like i was in order for her to make to

00:40:54.700 go to her point you're saying that you notice some of the things that she's talking about

00:40:59.420 relevant to your relationship and your dynamic with your mom but she had to take on a masculine role

00:41:06.380 so she she probably had to do some of the things that she's describing her father did correct yeah but

00:41:11.580 she's a woman yeah but of course i know she's still a woman i'm saying she had to lean into her masculinity

00:41:16.780 in order to probably protect you provide for you and also nurture you so she had much more to do

00:41:23.100 um but those aspects of protection and provide provision are masculine i think that i i could

00:41:30.940 be then i could be leaning into my masculinity more like on tuesday than i was on wednesday but like

00:41:37.020 they're both they're just all abstract concepts and at the end of the day she's a woman and we're

00:41:41.340 making abstract if they're abstract concepts then why why would you bring them up as being a

00:41:47.660 differential between the two things they're just abstract they are abstract but what i'm saying is

00:41:52.140 i think it's problematic to yeah but you're a relativist everything's abstract that's okay

00:41:56.860 and why is it problematic for her to put her father on her pedestal it's not problematic for her to put

00:42:00.860 her father on a pedestal i'd say it's problematic to say that men are always playing chess and women

00:42:07.180 are always playing checkers because chess is fundamentally a higher intelligent game is that a

00:42:11.660 truth statement uh no i'd say no so then why should we believe you if it's not a true statement

00:42:17.580 why should you believe why should we believe what you just said that some women are doing this some

00:42:21.180 men are doing that you just said that it's not a truth statement well if you want to actually talk

00:42:25.420 about logic though is it true or not true it's a logical fallacy to say something is always one way

00:42:31.340 yeah and never another way what's that fallacy it's a trend is it called i just made it the

00:42:35.980 the fuck up fallacy so back to where i was at it's not so back to where i was at uh when we're

00:42:40.540 talking about when we're talking about relativism which is what we're talking about right now you

00:42:45.500 can't make truth claims relativism is what you're talking about okay i was just talking she was

00:42:50.140 talking about a trend but it's not when you say she's talking about a stereotype when you say something

00:42:54.300 like i disagree when you say something like i disagree with you this is not true this is true

00:43:00.620 you're a moral relativist you don't even believe in a standard for truth you have no standard

00:43:04.780 for truth why would you ever make a claim something is true or not true well you just hate all

00:43:08.640 relativists i i was having a conversation is that true well is it true that i hate all relativists

00:43:13.900 it might be because you're not is that true that i might it might be true okay i'm sorry i had a

00:43:19.880 relativist argument but what i was the point that i was trying to make was she was the the phrase

00:43:26.020 men are playing chess women are playing checkers is a stereotypical phrase and i'm sure she might

00:43:31.000 also concede that there are outliers to that however i'm saying all i'd saying maybe a better

00:43:38.100 way to phrase it as she was saying was it is more masculine to play chess as perceived in our society

00:43:44.360 because we have for so long said oh men play chess like yeah like of course that's masculine you're

00:43:50.120 becoming more masculine if you're starting to play chess why can't i just say she's becoming more

00:43:53.640 strategical why can't i just say she's using it as an analogy can i ask you a question yeah um so

00:43:59.880 i have two questions i guess one would would it be as offensive if i in fact said women play chess and

00:44:06.400 men play checkers and two um actually you can answer that i don't think i don't think it's offensive at

00:44:13.800 all i'm just voicing my opinion okay but when it cut okay so in regards to the initial statement um

00:44:20.880 you you were talking about being raised by a single mother do you think that a man can do the

00:44:25.520 role of a mother do you think that's replaceable by a man can your can your father do what a mother

00:44:30.200 does for you um i wouldn't i wouldn't put it in personal terms well i wouldn't put it in personal

00:44:38.060 terms to myself but i think that a man could easily fulfill the role of a single mother i i asked

00:44:45.300 i asked the okay yeah because i i wish grid one was my dad donated two hundred dollars first girl

00:44:53.680 word of advice stop while you're behind i will only get worse for you from here ladies what are two

00:45:01.480 deal breaker characteristics in a man also fuck the atf abolish the nfa yes and i you know what to

00:45:11.440 to give you credit it's good that you're at least because i feel like this panel might be leaning a

00:45:17.200 bit more one way than the other so i certainly give you credit for uh being open to uh disagreement

00:45:24.060 on this well just just to kind of play devil's advocate here because you know i naturally agree

00:45:28.900 more with keisha but i can see both sides of an argument what i'll say is that i think what keisha

00:45:33.800 was meaning was generalities like in general men you know think with playing chess and women with

00:45:39.600 checkers but of course we he already acknowledged over here that there are outliers that there are

00:45:44.360 going to be outliers in that situation so just because if the exceptions prove right right if the

00:45:49.080 exception proves the rule you wouldn't have the exception right so we have outliers we have

00:45:53.620 exceptions but which prove what technically her mother might be one of those outliers we don't know

00:46:00.200 but i think that it's she can actually say well i saw my mother fulfilling some of those things i saw

00:46:05.820 that in rose case so maybe she's just one of the outliers yeah you can say that but that's really

00:46:09.740 not in context what the discussion is the discussion is in context the discussion the discussion isn't

00:46:15.280 asking are there going to be outliers in basically every situation we can think of sure okay sure of

00:46:22.020 course there are always going to be some kind of outlier for something but in context what she's

00:46:27.000 saying is if you're looking at the nature of men when they look at the world they're playing chess

00:46:31.160 what she's saying is they organize the world based on a strategic mind so they're saying everything

00:46:36.400 from how do i want to run the wires for those cameras to how do i want to organize the structures

00:46:41.280 of society and she's saying if you don't follow that pattern and submit to your husband and allow

00:46:46.220 him to take that role then in corporate america you're going to have to do it for a psychopath

00:46:50.140 that's her whole point am i wrong no that yes that's exactly it and um i think another example is

00:46:57.000 like men have told me that when they come up and just have a casual conversation with a woman

00:47:02.300 they can tell what kind of man is in her life and what level of proximity like if she's maybe dating

00:47:08.800 just by like certain behaviors or things that she says and does women don't read actions the way that

00:47:14.280 men do and i don't care how good they are at it like they just don't read actions the way that men do

00:47:19.900 we are so deceived by like what we hear and like it's it's not the same we speak completely different

00:47:26.580 languages and the more that you realize that you are completely different mentally and emotionally

00:47:32.380 from a man the more you have protection against some of the things that happen because as soon as

00:47:37.760 i realize a man which is how you know she was raised by a man if it was a single parent because she's

00:47:41.780 speaking sense i was going to ask you actually i was like you noticed that i had a you asked me

00:47:48.320 immediately okay were were you raised with your mother and probably because you could tell by the way

00:47:53.100 that i'm speaking what's coming out of my mouth that there's more of a masculine influence in my

00:47:57.820 life as opposed to a woman's and so it's something that you delineate already in your mind that's

00:48:03.980 completely different to what a woman would operate in so it's just a completely different thing and as

00:48:10.160 soon as i notice that a man is playing chess i instantly defer instantly defer to my father and if i

00:48:14.800 had a husband i'd instantly defer to him because i know that i will never win a game of chess against a

00:48:19.480 man i just won't and if i try to as soon as i enter the game i lose that's the part that i find

00:48:24.500 problematic yes the statement overall is true i won't be a relativist i'd say as a generalization

00:48:29.620 it can be said as true but the reason i don't like that framing is because a relativist can't say

00:48:34.120 anything's true i i never claimed to be a relative you did continue with your point but just so you just

00:48:40.040 so you know in the future you did claim you were relativist okay but that's all an agnostic go ahead with

00:48:46.160 your point well i mean like it creates a sense of fear because what if some of the men are stupid

00:48:50.960 trust me there are dumb men out there who are playing checkers you know they're there yeah that's

00:48:54.380 what's happening now with the deconstruction of the family and everything yes yeah that's the other

00:48:58.680 thing and we see that happening all the time where there are predatory men who are actually

00:49:03.180 targeting young vulnerable women especially women who haven't had fathers in their lives like you

00:49:07.900 they target and prey on the vulnerable women and i think that's what partially what

00:49:12.320 Keisha's trying to get to here is that if men are thinking like with chess and you're not going to

00:49:17.840 be able to figure out if they're trying to prey on you or target you you become a vulnerable target

00:49:22.540 when you don't have your father in your life but you don't believe that you can play chess too

00:49:26.240 wait can i ask you something you don't believe that they could be playing checkers can i ask you

00:49:30.080 something though yeah do you would you like a relationship with a man who will completely take

00:49:34.440 care of you protect for you provide for you stand by you be loyal um have kids with you and you

00:49:39.540 could trust that he's there 100 jane donated 200 sure i don't third girl huge pick me do you want

00:49:47.680 to address the pick me accusation yes pick me because like what the heck why would i why would

00:49:53.140 i want to be why would i like why would i want to be in the position to do any of this by myself like

00:49:58.780 the amount of things that women are put up to do that they literally cannot handle doing is literally

00:50:04.300 the reason for the destruction of our society right now because men are not being able not being

00:50:08.660 respected in their position as men and fathers and women are taking control and also being told

00:50:14.260 that they can actually do it and then failing you know a lot of that is because a lot of men

00:50:18.500 aren't present in the childhood and that's and that's you know that's what's happening is is there's

00:50:24.340 just the women are trying to control and you know they don't understand and appreciate what the men

00:50:29.320 what the men do because they don't they never had an example of that what really sorry really quick

00:50:34.820 really quick uh grit uh i wish grid one we will ask your question here i'm just letting this

00:50:41.620 conversation finish up i will ask the two deal breaker questions what other choice do they have

00:50:46.180 that's strange could you go work on an oil rig tomorrow um i could if i wanted to oh so are you

00:50:52.100 saying that you have all the choices that men have right this second yeah okay well then what are you

00:50:56.340 talking about what are you talking about i don't have all the choices men have right this second

00:50:59.780 oh what choices don't you have a lot what i i can't be as um condescending as you well that's

00:51:09.700 because you just have not acquired this skill of knowledge which is a prerequisite it's because

00:51:14.500 society thinks i play checkers and you play chess yeah but so even if i try to be on the same level

00:51:19.300 as you oh i'm already a relative hey great snark but can you answer the question what choices do i

00:51:24.180 have do you not have if there's no man what choice do you not have that men have okay what choice

00:51:28.340 do i not have that men have when i wake up in the morning um i cannot walk around with my shirt

00:51:34.500 off i know that's a stupid lame one but i don't know how many you can walk around with your shirt

00:51:38.820 off okay well i uh without social outrage yeah you know yeah what what choices do you have

00:51:47.780 or do you not have well this isn't relevant to no that's exactly irrelevant they were saying can you

00:51:52.180 guys you said it's because women i'll repeat it for you okay you said it's because women have not

00:51:56.980 had the choices that men have had that that yes it is what they were saying that um a woman is trying

00:52:02.180 to be uh act as a man in their life because there was no man in their childhood and i said what other

00:52:07.460 choice does she have okay so just just so that we're clear you do think from an egalitarian lens

00:52:14.020 then men and women have the same amount of equal choice no okay well then what choices do women not

00:52:20.740 have that men have there's a lot it would be hard for me to delineate them all for you there's a lot

00:52:25.300 then you should name one that doesn't mean they're not there there's a lot it's not gonna be good

00:52:30.100 enough for you but sure let me think of some of the things i could probably not go work um a

00:52:34.660 contracting job why because i'm physically weaker okay so biological that's not that has nothing to do

00:52:40.740 with the law fair though with what with law so it has nothing to do with the law you could go work

00:52:45.380 as a contractor okay but they were saying um women who grew up without male figures typically fail

00:52:50.980 because they're trying to take on these masculine roles which they are not capable of taking on yep

00:52:55.780 what is your question that is challenging my question to you just now was do you believe

00:53:00.580 in this egalitarian society that men and women have equal choice you said no yes that's why the women

00:53:05.460 are failing we're not saying they're failing what we're saying is is that women who grow up without

00:53:09.780 fathers in their home they're made more vulnerable because men who are thinking on the level of

00:53:14.980 chess who might actually not be a good man who might be a predatory man those men see you as an

00:53:20.660 easy target a vulnerable person that they can take advantage of see if you're you know if your father's

00:53:25.860 in the home your father can say that's not a good guy don't date him i i see the red flags don't even

00:53:32.100 bother or the father can set a standard when that man is coming to pick you up for a date you're gonna have

00:53:37.460 my daughter home at this time no nothing funny or you're gonna deal with me and you're gonna answer to me

00:53:42.980 so what we're getting at is the women who don't grow up with fathers it's not that you're failing

00:53:48.500 it's it's more or less that you're you're no it's that you're right that's what she was saying no

00:53:53.380 we're not saying you have to masculinize we're we're we're talking about how you're you're being

00:53:57.460 made vulnerable because you don't have a father figure in your home but aren't men also male

00:54:01.380 children are also made vulnerable if they don't have the father in the home absolutely it's a different

00:54:07.140 thing they don't it doesn't tend to go in the form of being taken advantage of sexually i feel like

00:54:11.940 it usually has to go in the form of more likely to be imprisoned or in jail or having all those

00:54:17.220 places doing drugs and other advantage of sexually though i i would say that there's a lot of not

00:54:21.860 necessarily that are being taken advantage sexually because they don't have fathers and maybe like by

00:54:27.140 women by men and women like i i have a public school system is one of the yeah and women that's where

00:54:32.900 women are assaulting young boys all the time like for instance if you were to take you know you hear

00:54:38.500 the old trope uh you know the catholic priests do all the uh you know the the the kid diddling but

00:54:45.060 it's actually if you if you look at the public schools teachers do way more than priests ever

00:54:49.060 dreamed of and if you look at the female population public schools especially uh it's it's an outrageous

00:54:55.300 amount compared to the rest of the general population so yes of course if there's no uh strong

00:55:01.380 dominant male in the home those kids would be much more prone right to falling into that no no

00:55:06.420 you're right i would say you're right like overall a male not being in the home is at the detriment to

00:55:12.260 both children male or female children overall and there are different ways i think that it kind of

00:55:17.700 surfaces but let me take it a step further and say it's less detrimental right if a woman isn't if the

00:55:23.860 mother isn't if a mother is less detrimental if the mother isn't what present in the home you need both

00:55:28.900 and it's best statistically but i think that it's less detrimental to have a single father raising

00:55:34.100 kids than a single mother statistically it shows that like if a child has both parents assuming that

00:55:41.140 they're good they have the best chances for success and then if they have a single father they have

00:55:45.620 almost equal chances i think up to 90 something percent chance of success and then if it's a single

00:55:51.700 mother i think it plummets like 80 negative 80 something percent that's the stepdad effect so the

00:55:57.300 stepdad effects often that's where the abuse inside of homes comes from is from a step parent

00:56:02.580 far less likely to see the step parent who's a female come in and enter abuse because well it's

00:56:06.820 really hard to do that to a male right they can step in and be like no you ain't doing shit or else

00:56:13.940 so that's the uh that's the effect and that's why you see that over and over again play out in society

00:56:20.020 yeah that's why single single fathers tend to have better overall overarching outcomes in single

00:56:25.220 mothers too yeah i just wanted to i also just wanted to add so there was a point where i was

00:56:30.820 really i was i was very like new wave feminist and i really resented men and masculinity you know

00:56:37.940 um i was with the whole thing and um i was so much more unhappy and um just because i was having

00:56:45.620 turned it around god honestly um the patriarchy yes motor sports would say the patriarchy is here

00:56:54.580 for you yes i i you know and just and and accepting and also humbling myself to accept the input of of

00:57:01.940 others and whatnot and not rebelling against masculinity but actually seeing the beauty in it but a lot of

00:57:07.140 that is because men right now are they're not giving us the opportunities to appreciate appreciate

00:57:12.900 masculinity as much because you have a lot of like it's also because your husband won't put up

00:57:16.500 with any of that shit yes yeah yeah he won't put up with none of that but not in a chauvinistic nasty

00:57:22.420 way but he'll tell me you know he'll tell me logically of like hey you're overthinking which is you know

00:57:27.620 like you were saying like chill out you know and and i appreciate that and i appreciate that masculine

00:57:33.780 reflection um because it does help me be able to operate better and on a more logical level

00:57:39.300 but because i was vacillating so much between the femininity and masculinity i was so much more

00:57:44.740 mentally exhausted and depressed and and it's crazy because i was like screw men blah blah blah but

00:57:50.900 then i would go home at night and be like i i want i want someone to take care of me i want to be a wife

00:57:56.900 everything you know so but i do understand what you were saying and i um and i just think that it's because

00:58:02.260 there's not a lot of healthy masculinity for for men and that's partially our fault as women right now

00:58:07.860 because we're trying to turn things into a matriarchy can i just say something to you um

00:58:12.020 although maybe you don't have your father in your home or or as much in your life as you deserve you

00:58:18.020 always will have heavenly father and god in your life and if you let him be in your heart he will be

00:58:26.180 there with you and you can know that he loves you and the other thing is that if you follow his word it

00:58:32.500 will naturally protect you from these things so if you're following the word of god the father your

00:58:39.620 father then you will be able to have some protection and be able to you know uh i guess protect yourself

00:58:45.620 from some of the vulnerable uh things that you might have so um no i'm i'm 19 and my parents have

00:58:57.620 not been together since i was like three i've not had a dad forever and that whole time my mom was

00:59:02.580 pushing the bible on me and you know she said the same things you did you're gonna end up getting

00:59:08.100 manipulated by men you're too much of a people pleaser you know you're too emotional like of course i've

00:59:13.300 heard it before of course oh daddy issues this you're right no well okay well not about the god

00:59:22.820 part because it oh just not about that part just about all of the things all the other things no

00:59:27.460 no disrespect to people's religion but i think if you're a certain age especially my age and if you

00:59:32.980 are very set on like what you think like i'd say i'm i'm like just skeptical in general like it's not

00:59:39.860 even like oh my god are you skeptical of your skepticism uh no uh that's weird but an example

00:59:46.500 about something that i noticed with my daughter if i want my daughter to do something she's like seven

00:59:51.780 but i have to go tell my husband to show her that this is the right way she trusts me she'll tell me

00:59:58.820 anything she won't tell her dad a lot i mean she will but she's seven she doesn't have a lot the point is

01:00:03.860 though if i really want her to do something i know i have to make him present the idea because

01:00:10.340 she respects what he has to say more she's more even at seven more afraid or at least cognizant

01:00:17.540 of disappointing him she's not really worried about disappointing that's very true because i'd say i

01:00:22.180 grew up with that too even though my dad wasn't in life i'd say i'd also i also experienced that

01:00:26.980 phenomenon and building off of that i would say that i think a lot of me not following the gospel that

01:00:32.820 has to do with my experience in the church which was pretty bad too like the experiences of both

01:00:37.860 like mother figures and father figures were just not good to the point where it's like i i would

01:00:43.540 maybe go to another church another time but it's just like it wasn't for me then i have a question

01:00:48.020 did they judge you did they do you feel like they were just maybe a personal question but do you feel

01:00:53.860 like your father kind of rejected you by not being in your life no it was really early like it was

01:00:59.940 because of my mom i know it was because they hated each other it wasn't because of me but like

01:01:04.180 they could have been in your life still right he was he was partially in my life partially okay yeah

01:01:10.420 i just wonder if you're you know rejecting god the father has anything to do with feeling rejected by

01:01:16.980 your father no i just think i'm not a religious person and there's a lot of people who reject

01:01:20.820 religion who have fathers yeah yeah right yeah but we we all reject god at one point or or another in

01:01:28.660 our life for different reasons right like i when i was younger i'm not here to judge you i'm not

01:01:33.220 when i was younger about the outliers they won't do that okay yeah sure you're right and i'm speaking

01:01:38.580 in generalities okay so you know when i was younger there was a point in time when i was about your age

01:01:44.100 and i decided i was going to be an atheist and i was going to kind of reject christianity and how i was

01:01:50.580 raised and brought up and all i can say is that it brought a lot of just suffering and bad things

01:01:58.500 happening to me and i wouldn't recommend that for anyone and you kind of have to in some ways some of

01:02:04.900 us in our journey in life we have to find out the hard way that you know when you when you don't want

01:02:10.260 to follow god's laws and his commandments in his word you actually find out that you find yourself in

01:02:15.620 these situations it's almost like he's giving us a guide through through the bible of how we can live

01:02:21.140 our lives and not be hurt and not have things bad happen as much as they could right so he's giving us

01:02:27.780 these these commandments not because he wants to tell us what to do not not like an authoritarian he's

01:02:33.220 coming from it like a loving paternal father figure that wants to keep you safe and wants for you to

01:02:39.220 only have blessings and good things in your life for you and when you realize that that's when you know

01:02:45.300 like okay he loves us he wants us to be safe he wants good things you know and i know you probably

01:02:51.620 heard these things before and like i said you're just gonna have to go through life and and go on

01:02:56.740 that journey yourself but i hope you eventually know that you know god loves you and jesus doesn't

01:03:01.700 believe any of that shit like look at her she doesn't i didn't either for a really long time i admire

01:03:07.220 your advice and i definitely i think about it sometimes i got through to her she you know what don't

01:03:13.940 judge people because you never know you should judge people there's so many christians out there

01:03:17.780 who originally were the biggest atheist or the biggest anti-god people out there and they literally

01:03:23.540 turn around yeah but they didn't learn it on a podcast they usually got like kicked their ass

01:03:28.420 well some do you never know the secularist i've been baptized by the way already yeah when i was like

01:03:34.260 10 well that's great from a secularist perspective if you can't you got to take the worldview out before

01:03:39.140 you can replace it with something better there's nothing better than god i know but from it from

01:03:44.580 the secularist perspective see she's a skeptic she told you right i'm skeptical you have to provide

01:03:48.980 me there's people that are skeptical why like the why matters right and the bible tells us in isaiah

01:03:54.820 that we're supposed to help the fatherless the widow and the poor and she said that while she was in

01:03:59.220 church she had a bad experience and as christians it's our responsibility and our duty to make sure that we

01:04:04.980 are showing the love of god and jesus christ in our life by destroying all arguments yes no but by

01:04:10.740 like you know help by destroying all arguments so that's what the whole point is tear down the

01:04:14.980 worldview before it can be replaced something else the secularist starts no the worldview

01:04:20.340 an ideology can be attached to the worldview usually is attached to the worldview but when you look at

01:04:25.300 christianity the christian ethic is a worldview it's a prism from which you view the world it's not

01:04:29.940 just a religion that you follow it's not just the personal relationship with christ it's

01:04:33.460 actually the prism it even even with when it comes to logic when you're talking about logic

01:04:37.940 things which are logically possible to a secularist are not logically possible to a christian

01:04:42.260 logical possibility does not even exist in our worldview the same way that it does

01:04:46.180 the secular worldview that's why it's so important to break down the secularist first

01:04:49.940 before you can replace with actual dogma that makes sense usually you can't because what ends

01:04:54.580 up happening is with this my experience it's no offense to you guys all right i'm glad everybody's

01:05:00.100 out preaching the gospel i'm just saying that what i see over and over and over again

01:05:04.820 is you'll preach to us that they don't give a shit they don't care they're like i've heard this

01:05:09.700 i've heard exactly i've heard this shit 2000 times i don't give a shit the only thing i've ever noted

01:05:15.460 that's ever worked is to actually destroy the worldview as it exists from the secular perspective

01:05:20.820 granting the secular perspective is true showing them how absurd it is then you can replace it with the

01:05:26.420 truth but that's just my experience otherwise it just seems to me like you're just talking to a wall

01:05:30.900 well i wasn't i was actually implying something different i was actually um implying taking action

01:05:35.860 not actually words so i was saying that it's our duty to actually go out and help the people like

01:05:42.900 the fatherless the widow the poor and do what is necessary to help those people be in a better

01:05:47.540 situation so that they can see the love of jesus and then want to accept it because jesus in the bible

01:05:53.460 like he healed people before he preached and things like that right so that's kind of the

01:05:58.340 approach i was trying to take yeah and just because i have to move on i do have to move on

01:06:03.380 uh let me get a couple of the chats and we did have grid one was my dad you wanted to ask the ladies

01:06:10.180 what are two deal breaker characteristics in a man we'll start with you we'll go around the table go ahead

01:06:15.860 that one sounds a hard one i feel like i need does anyone have one that's like at the top of their

01:06:26.580 head what about you um a deal breaker two deal breakers two um i would say like disrespect just

01:06:39.220 undermine being disrespectful yeah just disrespectful and um maybe yeah just disrespectful to not only

01:06:48.820 myself but people around them that's something that i don't like and then um maybe just not

01:06:55.060 being loyal i think everybody should be loyal i would say for me um it would have to be uh

01:07:04.420 uh someone who respects and serves god above themself um

01:07:12.180 yo sky thank you for the gift of 20 memberships uh so these are deal breakers yeah if they like if

01:07:18.020 they don't do that um like if they don't yeah if they don't if they don't respect god above

01:07:23.300 themself and serve god above themself because then i can't trust them to be loyal to the family or me

01:07:27.940 sure um and then i would say if they're not um if they're not like a genuinely kind just person

01:07:36.020 okay yeah any renee any anything come to mind if they have no passions in life no passion like they

01:07:41.700 just want to work a desk job or something um so they they need to be ambitious yeah or just like

01:07:47.780 to have something that you like doing besides making money what about video games what if they're

01:07:51.220 passionate about video games uh at least they're passionate about something you know okay i meant

01:07:57.460 more like career wise like they're passionate about a certain career path yeah okay was there

01:08:04.580 another one another deal um if they can't dress they can't dress what do you mean like no style

01:08:10.820 yeah i mean i guess i could i could fix that uh that one's like more of a joke um i don't know if

01:08:16.580 they're you need like a super stylish disloyal i don't know it's all like kind of the same yeah

01:08:22.580 um i think a deal breaker for me would be if he's like a mama's boy um i don't really like

01:08:29.700 like like whenever their mom like if they're like super mama's boy and like kind of like acting feminine

01:08:36.420 i feel like okay and then also if they watch like adult content or anything like that i mean okay

01:08:43.140 yeah it's a deal breaker if they watch porn yeah okay don't you do porn she used to no i did it for

01:08:53.140 two months back in 2022 and i haven't done it in like since then so is that what informed that deal

01:08:59.780 breaker huh is that what informs the deal breaker sorry what do you mean like is it because you did

01:09:05.620 that that you see that now it's like a huge i think even before that i had a before i even started

01:09:10.820 that i was in a relationship with this one guy and uh it kind of started then so way before all

01:09:15.780 that and i i like knew that he would watch it and it would make me really upset so oh wait even

01:09:21.300 while you were no that was way before that yeah well but what do you think is a bigger deal breaker

01:09:27.060 a guy who watches porn or somebody who used to do porn

01:09:30.820 i don't know it just depends on who the guy is because some people have like moved on completely

01:09:38.900 from their lives and erased that completely and like you know rebuilt themselves so well the internet's

01:09:44.500 forever though right yeah but i mean i mean i already dated a porn star so uh i kind of know what

01:09:50.500 that's like um so i mean well i'm not really framing the question from your point of view in terms of

01:09:57.300 is it a deal breaker for you to date a porn star or an ex porn star i'm saying do you think it's a

01:10:01.780 bigger deal breaker or red flag perhaps uh for for from the guy's perspective to date someone who used

01:10:09.860 to do porn versus from the girl perspective to date somebody who currently consumes porn

01:10:17.380 um i probably would say like if you're still actively watching it and it's like still a habit in

01:10:24.340 a part of your life i would say that's probably worse than let's say he if the consumption is

01:10:28.340 just average what is average to you once a week once or twice a week no i uh like i don't know what

01:10:37.380 no porn like i just don't want no no but what's the bigger deal breaker

01:10:44.340 like if you were to compare the two or let's try it just like i said it just kind of depends like i

01:10:48.580 don't well let's try to frame it a different way maybe go ahead let's assume if you were thinking if

01:10:53.300 you had to give an answer on a man's dating preference and you asked him would you rather

01:10:57.780 have a woman who consumed porn once a week or once every other week versus one who used to star in

01:11:03.540 porn which would you rather have what do you think he'd say i think he'd probably go after the girl who

01:11:07.620 wants who just watches it yeah so what do you think the delineation is is it informed again by the

01:11:14.660 fact that you do it and so you're just kind of hoping that that's the case no i just that's like a

01:11:21.940 boundary i have that's all yeah yeah but is it informed by the fact that you used to do it

01:11:26.500 no but like i said it started way before that in my first relationship with my first boyfriend so

01:11:31.620 it kind of started then okay did i get an answer to my question though no you still did not i'm

01:11:38.500 really nervous the reason i framed that up though was was so if we turn this around kind of show

01:11:44.580 why would your standard be so much different than what their standard yeah but my point of view is

01:11:48.660 just different from everyone's here because no one's done porn so um that's just right so then

01:11:52.820 it informs your standard that's my whole point i guess so yeah okay i guess the reason i'm asking

01:12:01.140 is because i don't know if there's a specific term for this you're not really coming to the table

01:12:07.220 i don't know if clean hands is the right term but you're not like you used to do porn right so i feel

01:12:12.580 like if you're coming to the table with certain potential deal breakers or red flags or baggage

01:12:18.740 doesn't it mean well i guess you can desire anything in the partner but doesn't it it would

01:12:24.500 occur to me that you have to give a little leeway to the potential partners that you're capable of

01:12:30.020 getting i guess so so you're just saying like let my boyfriend watch porn or well you're entitled to

01:12:35.780 have that preference you're not what he's saying at all he's just he's just saying if your preference

01:12:42.260 180 degrees is that you think that men would prefer a woman who consume porn once a month or once a

01:12:48.500 week versus dating somebody who is in porn then couldn't you understand why the why the preference

01:12:55.060 in reverse would be the same i can totally understand that yeah yeah so that's from my own experience so

01:12:59.860 you were bothered by a boyfriend you had watching porn and then you decided to go do porn yeah so

01:13:07.300 what what do you think the psychology is that what is that what happened yeah i mean yeah

01:13:13.060 that's trying to analyze the psychology here like the psychology of like okay so she was upset that

01:13:18.020 her boyfriend was watching porn which in a woman's mind they might feel like you sure showed him they're

01:13:22.260 being cheated on right like it felt like a betrayal like he's cheating on you right and then her response

01:13:27.540 then is were were you guys broken up when you started doing the porn or were you together when

01:13:32.180 you started no no we were broken up and then i did it like two months after that yeah was that you

01:13:37.140 said your new relationship that so i met my last partner in the industry so do you think that him

01:13:46.980 watching the porn made you feel like those other girls who were doing the porn were better and that

01:13:52.260 you wanted to then go do that because he found that more interesting than you i'm just religious

01:13:57.540 so i think if you lust like a lot that it's just kind of like a sin and you should probably just work

01:14:02.340 on that i just it's you you guys get what i'm saying right like it's kind of interesting here to see

01:14:07.780 that you know she then pursued that it's very ironic but i don't know if it's ironic it's it's it's

01:14:15.140 kind of interesting to understand the psychology of what gets a girl to go down the path of only fans money

01:14:21.220 yeah i think that there's psychological and emotional reasons definitely i also don't have

01:14:27.060 a father was the money a necessity um or was it just something like oh i just want more money

01:14:34.740 yeah um i was like living completely on my own in my own apartment and so i was like i had been

01:14:40.900 struggling mentally for like quite a few months i feel like that so right and it was just kind of like

01:14:46.820 i don't know someone messaged me and was like hey you want to make uh yeah you want to make a bunch

01:14:51.140 of you want to make a bunch of money so you can go buy shit you want you're like yeah of course you

01:14:54.660 know 19 year old me i lived on my own no i'm none of my parents have ever helped me out financially we

01:14:59.940 are going to move on uh just one deal breaker please if you can uh one deal breaker in a man

01:15:05.780 passivity slash femininity passivity slash what do you mean um just being a big wimp baby having me to

01:15:13.780 be the man um i think it's gross i think it's disgusting i think you should act like an adult

01:15:18.580 be an adult care for me um unless they're sick yeah well of course even a cold even a cold is level

01:15:25.380 10. oh yeah no no i know i i love i love cooking for him and caring for him and everything but you

01:15:31.220 know it's it's like it's a mutual thing they'll kill a grizzly bear but if they have a cold yeah

01:15:36.180 we all know men like to be babied when they're sick i think that's because their body's like

01:15:39.940 completely breaking down from the 10 billion things that they've been overworking themselves

01:15:43.380 to do yes right and that's that's what they just can't handle it anymore and then the wives are like

01:15:49.220 you're being such a baby it's like i'm about to die that's actually uh good good point good point uh

01:15:56.100 one deal breaker a deal breaker i would say oh there's a couple but i i would say probably not

01:16:04.420 having a good relationship with god and and essentially that's that's up there but as far

01:16:09.540 as like other more personal ones is um any type of sign of not being loyal or cheating sure what about

01:16:17.940 you uh someone who has vice advice i mean a pretty substantial not like smoking cigarettes no something

01:16:25.860 that would make me the mistress and then the wife or the family like like drugs you mean yeah just

01:16:32.820 something that completely like a heroin addict okay okay well just something that would break apart

01:16:37.140 like the dynamic yeah and safety okay um kind of into the mic she said i think somebody that parties too

01:16:45.700 much and too much partying okay yeah and then also just no goals in life or like career aspirations i feel

01:16:53.300 like there are a lot better things that you could be doing with your time and i think that it's

01:16:59.380 it's unattractive when your partner has no drive all right andrew uh a deal breaker for women

01:17:07.300 sure i'll give you i'll give you two easy ones cruelty to children the elderly

01:17:12.900 deal breakers massive deal definitely yeah this is like for anyone right no not for anyone it's

01:17:18.980 particularly like i think you look at the nurturing or what you consider the nature of a woman to be

01:17:25.220 nurturing you know you find some women who talk about kids you maybe you don't but in these circles

01:17:32.180 you find them all the time anti-natalist people like this actually mock children mock what they

01:17:38.340 call breeders mock what they call women who actually take care of their children mock motherhood

01:17:43.380 all right one of the representations of the view that i have even though feminists hate my guts

01:17:47.860 so i feel like i represent real women uh at and in that world view better than most because

01:17:55.460 ultimately what i see over and over and over again from liberal progressive scumbags and from the

01:18:01.860 liberal atheist mind and from the feminist mind is that they are anti-natalist they hate children

01:18:07.700 and they hate the elderly and they mock them incessantly constantly all the time non-stop i would say

01:18:14.660 those are the two if i had to really think about it the two biggest red flags any type of feminist

01:18:20.660 who does any mockery of actual motherhood that's the biggest red flag i would run the other direction

01:18:27.300 why did you have to start that with feminist before doesn't feminist just someone who wants

01:18:31.380 equality between two genders i'm gonna start something crazy wait can you say that one more

01:18:36.420 time doesn't feminist just mean equality between the two genders is is that what that that's

01:18:40.740 it's the definition sure i'll grant the definition modern is that what it means i'm i'm a poli-sci

01:18:45.620 student yes sure in our classes it means that someone who's quality how um legal equality um

01:18:54.900 social equality what's social equality and it would require a lot of different determinants like the

01:19:00.900 draft would that be social equality are there any feminists i just wanted to ask you i was asking you

01:19:07.380 why you and i'm giving you an example no you're asking questions of how of how well through the

01:19:13.300 question it gives you the example of how you can see where feminists in the the one side of their

01:19:18.820 mouth will say that we want social equality now the other side of their mouth really are not striving

01:19:23.940 for actual social equality well they're striving for supremacy female supremacy and this is why you

01:19:30.180 constantly see the victimhood uh and i see it time and time again of of what i call schrodinger's

01:19:36.340 feminist which is i'm an empowered boss bitch i'm awesome and but the patriarchy is oppressing me

01:19:41.540 it's like well it can't be both if the patriarchy is oppressing you or you're a badass boss bitch ceo

01:19:46.660 like which one is i wouldn't say the patriarchy is legally oppressive but i'd say there are societal

01:19:50.420 norms and standards that impact women on their daily lives that fundamentally impact how they act

01:19:55.540 like what knowing that men play chess and women play checkers now i'm scared now i'm scared to go talk

01:20:00.020 to a man because they play chess and now i think i'm not good enough i have imposter syndrome maybe

01:20:03.780 that's my fault for not having a dad but keep going here's my question to you do you know any

01:20:10.580 feminists that are pro-life uh are feminists pro-life personally i'm sure i i don't know any

01:20:17.860 personally they're they're usually pro-abortion they're usually for people being able to have

01:20:22.660 abortion so when he's saying he's talking about women that display cruelty towards children

01:20:27.780 anti-natalism you know prenatal babies in the womb um he's it is relevant to say feminists because

01:20:34.660 we know that the feminists are the loudest about aborting unborn babies and many of them i've

01:20:39.220 literally debated on the streets talk about thinking that it's okay to abort full-term babies

01:20:46.900 okay so so when you have women i talked to a feminist who literally had babies being eaten by

01:20:52.100 alligator earrings hanging off of her ears and talking about how wonderful it was to abort all these

01:20:57.460 babies and i think that it's relevant to talk about feminism because those people are the loudest

01:21:02.020 about being able to abort babies i i don't think that comes from a place of disliking children or

01:21:07.380 holding animosity towards children i think it's more saying as a woman i shouldn't be tied down to this

01:21:12.500 one outcome of raising a family and having a child is that because is that your children it's all me me me

01:21:18.820 it's putting yourself before before the life of a child but is that because of the fear of having to

01:21:24.500 take on the responsibility of the child alone as opposed to getting the support from the father

01:21:28.980 maybe i let's say uh i got pregnant tomorrow i forgot to take my birth control look at me

01:21:34.100 premarital sex what a slut okay yeah but this is theoretical let's say i i got pregnant you guys

01:21:42.180 would all want me to have it what about i want i want to go to law school i'm a poli-sci major

01:21:46.740 okay but what's wrong with having a this is the point i'm telling you this is the point of the red

01:21:53.220 flag so what i'm saying is that the the fact that all i heard is me me also me well a man would be

01:21:59.300 able to do that and not receive any backlash for it and go to law school and finish the answer or not

01:22:04.020 go for it so when you go me me i me me me me me me i'll kill the kid because then i can get the

01:22:10.180 shit that i want yeah we think of that as being fucking monstrous we think of it hang on we think

01:22:15.140 of it literally akin to a monster a monster is the type of person who would say i'm gonna do

01:22:21.460 shit that i want give myself the life that i want get all the material gains that i want at the

01:22:26.100 expense of killing children i literally cannot define a monster better than that i wish my mom

01:22:32.580 had aborted me she was a horrible mother she did not have the money she did not have the

01:22:36.580 now the truth comes out doesn't it no no it's not because i'm suicidal but i just wanted to

01:22:40.260 what well that's that's really that's really strange i just wanted to make a really aggressive

01:22:44.500 you wish your mom would have boarded you can you let me finish my sentences but you're not

01:22:47.860 you're not one you don't want to unalive yourself that's so weird no no i don't okay but what i'm

01:22:52.420 saying is my mom was not capable financially of raising a child at that time and it gave me a way

01:22:57.620 shittier life that i have to deal with every day oh i know me me me me me yeah but if she had

01:23:03.140 you know she was old whatever but like if someone who was super young who's not financially

01:23:07.140 responsible yet now what if your mother what if your mother had you but she puts you 40 what if

01:23:12.820 she had you but put you up for adoption and you were adopted by a very well-off mother and father

01:23:17.940 that gave you that would have been great but she wasn't gonna do that and she didn't i'm saying if

01:23:22.180 i was about to have a kid right now i would have a horrible life so i think it would be better off for

01:23:26.020 everyone not to mention the issues with the foster even if you adopt even if you put it i have a friend

01:23:30.340 i have a friend who's been in the foster care system why wouldn't you just okay let me get this

01:23:34.820 right she did not like it you don't want to unalive yourself right now right no right well i mean

01:23:39.380 because you have a good life right uh okay um i actually so i have a question well hang on let me

01:23:45.860 finish the line of inquiry do you have a good life you want to talk to my therapist and that's why you

01:23:50.180 don't of course you have a therapist but i'm guessing you don't want to unalive yourself

01:23:54.180 i mean i'm here oh that doesn't answer the question okay i didn't mean actually like i

01:24:00.260 wish i was dead i was saying but that's what that would be in some circumstances abortion would be

01:24:05.620 better yeah i get it but in your case you said i wish my mother would have aborted me this is i wish

01:24:11.380 my mother would have killed me so i wasn't alive today because my childhood was rough not just not

01:24:17.140 just that but yeah sure what else can i ask you something yeah in your example when you said

01:24:23.060 because i want to go to law school and if tomorrow i got pregnant you made the choice to have engage

01:24:29.860 in sex correct okay in this hypothetical we're talking about this theoretical that you set up

01:24:35.300 but don't you think it's a bit absurd to make the most vulnerable person in that entire dynamic

01:24:41.060 the most responsible for your actions and the actions that you engaged in

01:24:44.500 abortion the most vulnerable person being the baby the egg that has not even the semen has not

01:24:50.020 even reached it well if you have an abortion that would be an abortion what if i took a morning

01:24:54.660 after pill what if that's not an abortion that's not the that's not the but would that be chill vibes

01:24:58.820 with all y'all that's not that's not what we're that's not what we're okay let's grant let's grant

01:25:04.340 all of those okay at what point is the cutoff for you to abort oh i don't know i'm not i'm a

01:25:12.260 poli-sci major so then who cares right so then it's a distinction with no merit if you can't tell

01:25:16.420 us when life then why did you say you can't tell us when life begins people say the heart whatever

01:25:22.180 is important the medical people don't tell you when life begins they can't it's an ontological

01:25:26.500 question there's a there's something in the law that's been demarcated yeah you know when human

01:25:30.660 life is agreed on for beginning by all scientists on planet earth conception conception by scientists by

01:25:37.540 all scientists yes that's human life there's no way around it the moment of conception when

01:25:44.180 the sperm meets the egg there's literally a flash of light that happens um can we get it can we get

01:25:48.500 a camera on that can yeah it's actually it's been documented can i ask you a question yeah sure and

01:25:52.820 what's your name by the way renee renee beautiful name i'm sorry it's a big pile i'm probably moving

01:25:57.220 on here in a second i just want to say first of all i'm glad you're here um i have to say that

01:26:02.740 because i i i really feel sad that you've said that just now um but my my question was

01:26:09.860 you mentioned the financial aspect do you think if men took accountability for their actions with

01:26:15.860 the women both taking accountability that for the child that they've created that they've helped create

01:26:20.980 do you think that more more women would feel the need to do this because you mentioned only a

01:26:25.460 financial they have to take accountability well no i'm just saying i didn't mean financially was the

01:26:30.020 only thing i also think my parents were just both mentally unfit to have a child at all which i

01:26:34.660 don't want you guys to take that too seriously when i'm like i wish i was aborted that's obviously

01:26:38.820 like a talking point it's obviously a was it a talking point yeah it was because because then

01:26:42.580 when i followed up with you do you want to be alive right now you're like well um because i'm funny

01:26:48.260 and people in this day and age don't want to live sometimes i don't know but what's it called um

01:26:52.820 i mean that's answer her question sounds kind of miserable it's it's a joke to answer her question

01:27:00.180 sounds like it sounds like cope i don't i don't mean my point that i was trying to make was that

01:27:06.500 there are some circumstances where i just think the parents should not be parents at all like it

01:27:10.340 would just be worse for anything that was born like regardless like i just think like maybe i don't

01:27:16.580 mean like i don't want to live at all but like i would have rather been born to a million other

01:27:20.500 different parents and i know that's impossible and it's sure yeah but i don't understand why

01:27:24.580 these are exclusive positions so you can have horrible parents after the baby is born and you

01:27:29.620 know what happens if there's horrible parents kid gets taken out in place with another family

01:27:34.260 same exact thing that she just suggested sometimes but that's but here's the thing you can't always

01:27:39.140 you can't put an always on it it's like saying well we shouldn't outlaw a murder because there's

01:27:44.260 always going to be some murders yeah there are there's nothing you can do to mitigate 100

01:27:49.460 everything that's not relativism it's the opposite of relativism it's not even pragmatism

01:27:54.100 it's recognizing objective reality that sure even if you outlaw murder there's still going to be

01:27:58.820 murders but these are not exclusive positions i understand saying well you can have bad parents

01:28:03.140 yeah that's true what does that have to do with the boarding children maybe some parents know that

01:28:07.300 they were they would be bad they don't have to keep the child why wouldn't they be why wouldn't

01:28:12.420 why would the adopt the foster care system is no adoption is not the same as not foster care

01:28:17.460 why are people who are not prepared to take the consequences of their actions having sex to

01:28:23.860 begin with because then you are blaming the child for the consequences of your actions like

01:28:29.300 the miss over there said that you're putting the full onus of the consequence on that unborn baby

01:28:34.980 because you chose to be irresponsible that is a reactionary response and i i would say that a man is

01:28:42.180 just as dangerous as a woman who decides to abort the child um but it in no way would benefit you to

01:28:47.780 even be with somebody a man especially who tells you yeah i want to kill my own child that man can't

01:28:54.180 be trusted to take care of you either so in what way for what reason is does it make sense to punish

01:29:00.980 a child because you choose to be irresponsible in your own day-to-day life and that man that is most

01:29:06.260 feminine thing i could maybe you're not punishing the child you're saving the child by murdering it yes by the

01:29:11.620 life it would have had if it was saving it from the life it would have had if it was born how

01:29:16.660 benevolent of you yes that's why so where's now this is why the benevolent patriarchy must exist

01:29:23.940 because if we left it to people like you you say you know the most benevolent thing we could do

01:29:29.300 is fucking kill you that's that's what that's literally your line of if there were better like

01:29:34.500 welfare societal systems in place maybe how about responsible men for oh it's just that we don't

01:29:39.940 have enough welfare yeah which which demographic would you thought if you had to think about it

01:29:45.140 takes up a huge majority of welfare funds single mothers oh i i thought we just didn't have enough

01:29:51.540 of a welfare system but they're getting tons of cash from the welfare system what the are you

01:29:55.620 talking about didn't the welfare system actually incentivize the degradation of the family especially

01:30:01.700 in particular communities yes grid one motorsports donated 200 i cannot think of anything less worthy

01:30:09.380 of joking about pretending unborn life we cannot choose our parents but we can choose our path

01:30:15.780 feminism has failed you the patriarchy is here to help i feel enlightened yo grid one good to see

01:30:22.340 you in the chat man thank you very much uh while we have that in we do have a couple other chats let

01:30:27.620 me just get through the chats and then we'll continue on with uh some of the convo here so uh

01:30:32.820 grid one thank you very much man appreciate it we have pico uh be love to see andrew on ladies if on of

01:30:40.420 and want to move on start developing other skills now you can make millions later if you start now

01:30:46.740 sex is the easiest way to do it but it's not good long term okay thank you uh pico appreciate it man

01:30:52.500 true we have rose rose coming in the blonde info wars is preaching sky daddy principles to the locusts

01:31:04.420 from the pit casting pearls to swine i will restore the years the locusts have eaten the book of joel

01:31:11.540 is great do you have a quick response um i would say that um i would say that big sass energy

01:31:19.300 donated two hundred dollars a big sass any other girl in any other country would be so happy to be

01:31:24.980 in this girl's shoes the fact this girl thinks it preferable to be aborted shows the level of

01:31:31.060 ungratefulness despite a difficult upbringing i don't worry she's gonna talk to a therapist

01:31:38.260 hold on but do you want to respond to that really quick yeah um maybe i am a little ungrateful to my

01:31:43.300 parents because they had me at a time in general i just say i'm ungrateful to my parents they shouldn't

01:31:48.260 have had me but that doesn't mean i'm ungrateful of where i am i still am very happy with my

01:31:52.100 circumstances well then they should have had you okay yeah i get what you mean that makes no sense

01:31:57.140 it's illogical i understand the argument that you're making okay you ended up fine look at you

01:32:01.620 you're fine you ended up great you're happy but the thing is that that didn't need to happen that

01:32:06.740 didn't i didn't need to go through all the things what needs to happen like i could have been happy

01:32:11.540 anyways with like a normal set of circumstances and that wasn't even like if you're talking about need

01:32:15.700 though think about what you're saying if you're talking about need it also doesn't need to happen

01:32:19.140 that you abort a child that doesn't need to happen so when you you use an example of need right this

01:32:24.820 is like some type of imperative this does not need to have nothing needs to happen right but the point

01:32:30.980 so the point i don't even know how that's a point in your favor to say it didn't need to happen so what

01:32:35.780 so what if it didn't need to happen okay also aborting a kid doesn't need to happen maybe i can say

01:32:40.020 that all of that rough made for better character development in my life but like fundamentally

01:32:46.020 wouldn't you agree that like if a couple is like about to have a child you would probably tell them

01:32:51.940 no okay maybe you don't want the abortion to happen because that's just so evil but you'd probably tell

01:32:56.340 them no if they're in really shitty financial emotional circumstances beforehand that's that would

01:33:02.660 be so so what you're saying how is it not if you're saying people who are financially suitable

01:33:07.620 should only be the ones to have children so people in poverty no no no no you can i'm saying

01:33:12.820 i'm saying i get what you're saying people should be able to have the choice if they know that they're

01:33:17.300 going to let me be as charitable as i can your arguments keep coming back to finances and that's

01:33:21.780 why i said at the end of the day if men were accountable for their actions as well as the women and

01:33:27.380 they took accountability for their children and they protected and provided for the woman and child

01:33:32.500 and you were able to continue to live your life unimpeded then what would be your argument for

01:33:38.340 abortion because the main thing that you continuously come back to is finances so if the men were taking

01:33:43.140 care of you and you were both responsible then what's the issue i have a question i know you want to

01:33:47.940 like hang on one question at a time so she can respond okay go ahead go ahead well you you wanted

01:33:53.140 to be no yeah i was just well i was just saying now i'm doing it i'm just saying to be as charitable to

01:33:59.220 your view as possible which is i think that this is just your argument if two people came to you

01:34:04.580 and said we're thinking about having a child but all sorts of rough shape financially big sass energy

01:34:09.060 donated two hundred dollars you're more than fine you live in the greatest country in the greatest

01:34:15.220 time in the history of the world travel to other countries get some goddamn perspective

01:34:21.940 i know i'm chilling i'm just saying so anyway you're just saying would you advise them to you know

01:34:28.180 maybe wait to have children yeah sometimes but sometimes not like what if we took the age into

01:34:34.100 account we're like okay she's 33 he's 32 that i wouldn't advise it and be like well maybe things

01:34:40.100 will be a little rough but yeah you probably should have them now if you're gonna have them but you're

01:34:43.780 talking about 21 22 years old sure you might say hey guys you could wait a couple of years till

01:34:48.980 you know you have your feet under the ground a little bit better nobody's adverse to any of that

01:34:53.780 and it's not an argument in your favor for killing kids even if we grant the entire world view how in

01:35:00.740 the world does it help you with your argument of taking out the kid i don't get it you're not

01:35:04.740 killing a kid you're preventing it from being born that's my view so i know that's not y'all's

01:35:09.460 view so let me let me just let me just make sure i get this right scott peterson viciously murders

01:35:15.220 his wife kills unborn baby right goes to prison for double homicides you let him off on the one

01:35:20.820 homicide right because i'm born baby what oh one homicide instead of double homicide yeah sure

01:35:29.700 you would you would you would exempt him from the one homicide getting a life sentence anyway yes

01:35:34.020 okay he's only let's say he's only gonna get 15 years okay then what age do you think i just want

01:35:39.700 to make sure it is in the law almost done i just want to finish okay so 24 almost done yeah just want

01:35:48.180 to be clear nine month pregnant stabbed in the stomach okay then that one's double homicide if

01:35:54.740 it's past the legal what's the what what if the legal what if the legal thing is what if it's eight

01:36:01.940 what if it's eight that's why don't muddy the water here for just a second let's say it's eight months

01:36:06.260 let's say eight months they say you can legally do it let's just say you can legally do it up to nine

01:36:09.540 months there's legislation in places for that no no well then when 24 weeks okay so 24 weeks

01:36:17.380 it's 24 weeks in a day then it's a double homicide but it's 23 weeks nope then then he gets away with

01:36:23.780 that's how it is with every law really or yeah really okay but you're make the point that you just

01:36:30.420 tried to make uh-huh is how every law has to be interpreted like strictly yes it would be single

01:36:37.300 homicide before and no laws are interpreted on a case by case but that aside even assuming we were

01:36:43.380 charitable to that if you can't tell us when life even begins who the fuck should we care about

01:36:48.820 your opinion on abortion anyway i just said 24 weeks because she told you that but you couldn't

01:36:54.100 tell us why it starts at 24 weeks i didn't say that's when life began you guys told me it was

01:36:58.740 no we believe conception i did not say that life began at 24 weeks when you get too many you know

01:37:05.860 heads in the cookie jar with one conversation becomes this i'm just saying if we look at it

01:37:11.940 you would say that that guy should get exempted from one of the murders

01:37:16.500 if he kills unborn unborn kid that's why i just want to hear you say it

01:37:22.420 this is such a this hasn't this is not helping your point at all well then just go ahead and concede

01:37:27.380 to the point a woman should be able to end a child before 24 weeks if she's not ready yeah

01:37:30.900 why 24 weeks to have the child because that's what the scientists say is oh which ones about

01:37:35.060 the ones you just made up you didn't know when life began two which ones are they which ones

01:37:38.580 are they two minutes ago you didn't know anything you're you're you're a scarecrowing

01:37:43.540 you're scarecrowing right now or no what's the fallacy it's the one where you're attacking

01:37:46.500 straw man yeah what's the straw man you're attacking my character for not knowing the scientific

01:37:50.660 start date of one no no i'm attacking your direct position that you said i don't know

01:37:55.220 no when this begins did you not say no you're not you're attacking the fact that i don't know

01:37:58.980 so okay you're trying to make me look like you literally just said i don't know so then that's

01:38:04.180 your position how's that a straw man what no i said 20 now i'm saying 24 weeks you were saying

01:38:09.540 why should we trust you when you don't know the actual based on based on 24 weeks right you say 24

01:38:15.380 weeks why does life begin in 24 weeks i couldn't tell you yeah so then what the

01:38:20.420 the fuck are you talking about i'm straw manning you okay well uh you have to do the research

01:38:25.460 yourself sorry if you took a biology class don't they say that basically life starts at fertilization

01:38:30.820 no it starts and the last time i took a bio class was my sophomore year of high school but that's not

01:38:34.980 what the argument is i do have to move things on i do have to move things on we've got a lot of

01:38:39.540 chats to get through so let me get through some of these chats we can get back to it in a second

01:38:44.820 we have uh let's see uh here let me pull up some of the supers we have omni design studio hey thank

01:38:52.260 you man for the super chat good men are still out there they want to have families and protect their

01:38:56.180 daughters the hard part is for these young women to learn how to vet men omni design studio thank you

01:39:02.420 for the super chat yes definitely you gotta gotta learn how to vet the dudes uh and sky vrc with the

01:39:09.220 aed is this uh what currency is this aed that's like do uh dubai i don't know but there's 500 of

01:39:17.940 them aed that's uh united arab emirates okay so uh hey big fan of andrew your your i think there's

01:39:28.420 an apostrophe missing there maybe an e uh you're good you're a good guy you're you are you are yeah

01:39:35.060 yeah i think that's what he's trying to say thank you appreciate the super chat you're a good guy

01:39:38.820 you're a good guy you're a good guy you know what andrew you have to you have to uh take a screenshot

01:39:43.940 of this and just you're good guy you're good put it on your resume uh oh maybe english is his

01:39:50.580 second language yeah you're a good friend but uh yes sky thank you for that and thank you for the

01:39:57.060 memberships earlier also uh one quick thing kyle kelsey i don't know if you're watching we missed one of

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01:40:55.860 rachel is she doing like a she is yeah a simulcast yeah okay cool a watch party or whatever yeah

01:41:01.220 watch sweet sweet yo shout out rachel um and we need to get her on the show by the way she's coming

01:41:06.980 okay we'll get it we'll get it done uh i think one thing that would have been helpful perhaps a bit

01:41:11.300 earlier on we we briefly touched on feminism and then it quickly descended into an abortion

01:41:16.340 conversation uh just going around the table who is a feminist do you consider yourself a feminist

01:41:22.180 oh um i'm a black feminist like like you're no it's an ideology what is the ideology of black

01:41:33.540 feminism i've never heard that me neither should you be talking about it if you don't know what it

01:41:39.540 is and i didn't do some research did i do some research yeah i'm find out bro super super weird

01:41:45.540 me asking you the question what is thing how about you read about some black feminists from some black

01:41:50.420 feminists themselves wait then i'm so i follow the political ideology of like angela davis i

01:41:56.660 follow it's like angela i follow the ideology you identify white patriarch what can you

01:42:01.780 black feminism is i follow the ideology of white patriarchy we learn it in my political science

01:42:05.780 classes i'm not black but it's wait you're not oh my god bro i got well she i mean she could

01:42:14.420 identify i mean she's a moral relativist right do you identify as black uh no i identify as my

01:42:20.740 present biological race thank you are you like you don't think race is a social construction that's

01:42:25.700 weird halfway down vision yes but any in any case yeah asking you a question about what thing is

01:42:32.340 would be the opposite of me speaking knowledgeably on it it's just like intersectional feminism so

01:42:38.100 usually when you say feminism it's um till fourth wave distracted detracted from questions of uh

01:42:45.620 race and class so it's just including questions of race and class okay yeah sure yeah wouldn't you

01:42:50.900 say that's that's more in line with fourth wave feminism now that we've gotten to intersectionalism

01:42:54.900 with feminism i would still go with the definition that i know just because that's what i'm familiar

01:42:59.700 with and i don't want to classify myself as something that i'm not so that we're not speaking past

01:43:03.300 each other though when i say feminism with the egalitarian belief at intersectionalism that's

01:43:09.060 what i consider fourth wave we're not speaking past each other we're talking about the same thing okay

01:43:12.660 yes okay basically all right what about you i'm not very political to be so honest i don't know your

01:43:22.580 hair color i i i read you wrong i guess yeah i honestly like i don't want to add words i can't really

01:43:30.740 speak on you know what i mean so you're are you apolitical i guess so like i don't really i know

01:43:36.900 like obviously i should educate myself and obviously i'm not who are you voting for in this upcoming

01:43:42.500 election um i probably i haven't looked into it at all well you have it occurred it seems like it's

01:43:49.620 going to be trump and then you have joe biden you leaning i haven't done any research or

01:43:56.580 haven't done any research no like not at all like and i and i know who the president is right now

01:44:02.260 yeah obviously who is it who is it it's joe biden like i know that i just wanted to make sure

01:44:08.260 obviously i'm aware of things do you know what the vice president's name is kamala harris

01:44:13.060 obviously i know of things but do i do my own personal research no i have not so do i know who

01:44:19.220 i'm gonna vote for because i no i just haven't done any research so i'm not gonna go and say oh i want to

01:44:25.940 vote for this person when i don't know anything about yeah that's reasonable you know and obviously

01:44:30.180 i do have to educate myself as an assistant are you gonna vote i'm not sure well okay let's assume

01:44:37.940 you are let's just say let's make a deal you do no research but you promise me you won't vote

01:44:44.180 deal like okay yes we got yes awesome i don't know don't worry about a research are you leaning in any

01:44:53.220 direction i just said i have not i kind of feel like you're like a full-blown like maga trumpster

01:45:01.540 you just seem i get that vibe from you like are there issues you care about

01:45:08.180 like were you there for january 6th i kind of get that vibe like no

01:45:12.180 you weren't there like you didn't catch a felony or anything like that you didn't catch a felony

01:45:16.260 nope okay i could have sworn i saw you weren't storming a certain building did you storm did you

01:45:21.380 storm the capital you stormed the capital didn't you all right um all right he started brian what

01:45:28.740 are you doing i don't know i don't know um so you're kind of unsure if you consider yourself a feminist

01:45:36.420 yeah i mean obviously just like how you said like it's equality for everybody but then at the same

01:45:42.020 time do you want to be drafted as a woman you know what i mean so what if you didn't like what if

01:45:47.460 feminism was you don't have to be drafted well that's what isn't that what it is that is no i mean

01:45:52.740 at the end of the day okay then yes i would say that i am a feminist and if i did have to get drafted

01:45:57.620 then okay because that's for the equality of it all based nah bro i know uh do you consider yourself a

01:46:04.980 feminist no i'm a christian i'm not a feminist can can christians be feminist i mean

01:46:12.900 here's why because the christian ethic requires patriarchy yeah it is a patriarchal religion

01:46:19.380 period there's no ifs ands or buts about it everything from the union between a man and a

01:46:23.940 woman is patriarchal everything from the church structure down is patriarchal women are not

01:46:27.860 allowed to be pastors not allowed to be priests not allowed to be clergy it is a patriarchal structure

01:46:32.580 like you're not probably why our friend here fell off of it but it is a patriarchal is there a

01:46:38.340 denomination that well that's actually not true what you just said there are women pastors i've

01:46:42.980 met them yeah but they don't follow well that's illegal in the bible no that's that's that not

01:46:49.460 only but not only is that the protestant bible it is a fact when it's actually not and that's okay

01:46:54.020 that's your belief and i might agree with that belief but what you're saying is not factually true

01:46:58.500 it is factually true what i said was that if you are a female pastor so you're saying all the

01:47:04.340 clergy all female clergy are phony baloney christians about the doctrine as opposed to like

01:47:11.380 what's actually happening it has to be it has to be that way we have we can go back to the earliest

01:47:17.300 church history and we can make the determination of what was determined to be clergy in very isolated

01:47:23.220 cases women were called in to do things like baptism and they may have become deaconesses

01:47:28.260 or things like this but it was for a very very limited uh perspective from the church's perspective

01:47:34.100 but it was mostly to do with hey we don't want to see girls naked that's inappropriate so we have

01:47:38.500 women do the baptism but they weren't allowed hang on hang on let me finish it's not factually true

01:47:44.180 you should have said there are women pastors but i don't believe what i said was that's what you're a

01:47:48.740 fake if you're no this is factually accurate if you're a fake christian if you are a female clergy

01:47:55.540 in a christian church you're fake christian that's factually accurate that's what i said that's your

01:48:00.100 belief no that's the truth that's what is factual well is there a reason why you think that women are

01:48:08.580 not capable yeah because we have 2 000 years of church history and we know what the saints said and

01:48:13.860 we know not only what the saints said we know what the apostles said and we know not only what the

01:48:17.780 apostles said but we can literally judge this all the way down to when heresy church started under

01:48:22.820 luther and even luther knew i know what the scientists said but i didn't know why do you

01:48:27.460 know why they said that yeah why because the patriarchal structure which was laid down by

01:48:32.500 jesus christ to his apostles to go and start the church they were all headed by men that was part of

01:48:38.180 the gospel that's why i'm gonna hang on was there anything else that you had there any whys yeah because

01:48:44.260 you just named another precedent as your reason why is there any reason why in the fundamental like

01:48:49.700 mentality of the man and versus a woman yeah i just told you his own secular yeah like secular

01:48:56.500 that's what i'm asking him yeah i guess i'm more secular sorry this is his own individual no

01:49:01.220 version of christianity it's not every version no no it's not every version of christianity yeah the

01:49:07.060 fake ones okay if i can point out all these female pastors then i can say it's not your version but

01:49:15.140 it's not every version they're christianity they're so know that there are christian religions that have

01:49:21.460 female pastors yeah they're called fake christians right and and guess what the methods say the others

01:49:26.900 are not and the these say those aren't and you know the catholics say the other ones aren't christians

01:49:33.060 and everyone everyone does that in christianity so there's a lot of no they don't just protestants

01:49:37.620 just protestants do that let's not get into all the nuances of individual christianity do you

01:49:42.020 consider yourself a feminist um i would say no

01:49:48.980 um no ish wait no ish what do you mean well i do believe that you know women should be offered the

01:49:56.580 choice you know women beings but hold on just living under score donated two hundred dollars

01:50:02.420 i'm fighting the inner symbolism for the black girl she's great to the girl across from brian thanks

01:50:09.060 for coming would be boring without you it's not of the bad life that's better than no life i agree

01:50:17.460 the black feminist to the black feminist

01:50:21.460 i do have to read one that's about to fall off before we continue did you want to respond to this

01:50:25.860 really quick or i guess you can just can you read this for us oh wow i don't know if i want to read

01:50:33.780 this okay starting from across brian ratings out of 10 9 3 12 0 5 4 5 6.5 and and andrew's obviously

01:50:41.700 the peak male physique 100 out of 10 this is what peak was it that fucking thing peak male performance

01:50:48.740 looks like that's right yo thank you living appreciate it man um okay those dad bods are back in style

01:50:54.500 i guess um wait so you were saying ish not a feminist ish what do you mean um well i i do believe

01:51:02.980 that women should be offered the choice um you know free will in that essence do i do i agree with you

01:51:10.660 know um like new wave feminism not at all um i i have my views and i and i feel like people should be

01:51:17.220 off able to have their their views as well and um to have their preferences and i also think that when

01:51:23.460 women are able to have the option to stay home and it's not necessarily forced that's so it's so much

01:51:29.140 more appreciated um but you know but also there is there i do want to go back in time and you know

01:51:36.420 talk to some of the women who are like oh i hate having to just sit at home and take care of kids and

01:51:41.460 animals all day i want to go out into the workforce and you know i want to be i want to push major

01:51:46.420 university like there's actually very few of them just so you know the anti-suffered the when it comes

01:51:53.140 to feminism the anti-suffragettes far outnumbered the suffragettes far and away outnumbered them so i

01:51:59.460 guess the real question is why do you think the men allowed it voted it in because the men were the

01:52:05.140 ones that voted it in because they had people like rockefeller who were doing this mass funding behind

01:52:10.180 the scenes and there was a cult roots that go all the way back to the early basically protestantism

01:52:15.940 brought you feminism but how do you think they convinced the general male population that

01:52:20.900 exactly wait so you don't think we should vote that's your view yeah oh wow i think women should

01:52:27.380 be able to vote but i'm not a feminist yeah but how why do you think they should be able to vote

01:52:31.060 why shouldn't i be able to vote well that's not my question that's answering my question with a

01:52:34.660 question no yeah but well that is do you think i should have to pay taxes i think i should well

01:52:38.580 so let's start so let's start over we didn't start over hang on let's start over should i pay taxes

01:52:44.180 your position is you should be able to vote yes okay why should you be able to vote because i'm

01:52:49.060 an american citizen and i pay taxes okay so let's assume for a second as you know most people in

01:52:55.940 america do not pay taxes do you think they should be able to vote well if you the problem with your

01:53:02.020 reasoning is we have a law that says you can't have taxation without representation yeah so it doesn't

01:53:07.140 the law doesn't say if you're a tax-paying american and that's why they debate this in dc all the time

01:53:12.100 that's insane dc residents are paying taxes and they don't have proper representation this is first

01:53:16.500 of all this is a goalpost move i'm not going to let you get away with it we're going to move right

01:53:19.300 back and then i'm going to address that second point after we move right back and destroy your

01:53:22.580 first point the first point there are people yes i will watch no you there are the first point are

01:53:28.100 the first the the first point is there are people right now pay no taxes right

01:53:32.340 what about should they be able to vote probably not okay so you would agree that those should

01:53:39.300 still be able to you not arguing with you yet so we should be able so then as we look at this then

01:53:45.300 we should be able to see that you want for at least some people to not be able to vote right

01:53:52.100 well i'm saying that americans have the right to vote okay so then should i'm asking you an ought not

01:53:58.420 an is i'm not asking you what is true i'm asking you what ought to be let me ask you a question you

01:54:02.500 can ask me a question you have to answer my question wait wait wait wait we got we missed we

01:54:06.980 missed we should be able to vote wait are we that emotional wait anyway should we pay taxes calm down

01:54:13.540 relax you calm down one one step one step at a time yeah telling you to calm down is me being emotional

01:54:19.220 yeah you are you seem to be getting a little frustrated i don't know you seem to be kind of a

01:54:22.980 dumbass you want to answer my questions so an ought from an is do you know do you know what an ought

01:54:28.100 and an is is is claim is true ought should happen should everybody be able to vote

01:54:37.780 who's everybody should americans be able to i don't think illegal immigrants should be

01:54:41.460 don't be pedantic should all americans be able to vote

01:54:46.420 are all americans required to pay taxes yes yes but do all americans pay taxes

01:54:51.380 and guess what happens to those who aren't paying taxes they get in trouble with the

01:54:55.780 no they don't most people don't pay anything into the tax system they're not a net positive

01:54:59.940 tax system well if they're not making income then they don't have no they make an income

01:55:05.220 no if they're not making an income they don't have to file no and therefore there are people

01:55:09.060 who make more back from the government on an earned income child credit than they pay into the

01:55:14.260 government should those people be able to vote you're still not convincing me why women

01:55:18.180 i'm not trying to convince you i'm asking you a question should those people be able to vote

01:55:21.060 but should american citizens be able to vote yes well then your argument that just because they

01:55:29.060 pay taxes doesn't make any sense i'm saying that's one of the reasons why let me finish

01:55:32.420 and then i'll let you finish i promise let me finish and i'll let you have a law that says

01:55:36.020 relax lady let me finish my point i'll let you finish your point so if that is true then your

01:55:41.540 original argument of hey wait a second uh people who pay taxes because they pay taxes they should be

01:55:47.540 able to vote but we've just established many americans do not pay taxes and you still think

01:55:51.300 they ought to vote so your first argument's moot now let's move to the second one no it's not me

01:55:54.900 go then explain it to me again i have a question explain to me why women should be able to vote i

01:55:59.620 still haven't heard you explain okay i'll get i'll get to it i'll get i promise you i'll answer your

01:56:05.620 questions after we go through yours states that says we have to have there's there's laws are changeable no

01:56:11.300 taxation without representation are there are women just can we move past that point i just want to

01:56:16.660 know why he thinks men what law says what law says that because you should have representation

01:56:24.660 okay that means everybody should be able to vote if you cannot vote you do not have representation okay

01:56:30.100 they're arguing a legal matter in dc most people in american history could not vote and they're paying

01:56:35.700 taxes so therefore it's in violation no it's not most men and women first of all voting rights are

01:56:41.300 affirmed in the negative you know this right they're affirmed in the negative there is no right to vote

01:56:46.980 because you have no right they're negative right that's what he's saying they're negative rights

01:56:50.820 negative rights not positive rights meaning you don't have to do any of these things and they're

01:56:55.780 only affirmed in the negative states you don't have to vote states themselves used to always be the

01:57:01.220 ones who had jurisdiction over this now when it came to voting itself and when it comes to

01:57:05.060 voting even right this second all the laws say is that if there is a vote you can't be barred based

01:57:10.340 on x y and z not that there even has to be i think you're actually avoiding explaining why women

01:57:16.420 shouldn't be able to vote so you tell me why should women not be able to vote before okay so i'm going

01:57:21.140 to answer but i want to promise from you that we're going to go right back to this so that i can

01:57:25.300 because i'm not going to let you weasel out of it i didn't buy an incessive peppering questions

01:57:29.860 without answering any and you're asking the same no because because i have already shown a flaw in

01:57:34.900 your logic there's no flaw in the logic i'll explain the flaw again the flaw is if your argument is

01:57:40.740 people who pay taxes should be able to vote we've already established there's multiple people don't

01:57:43.860 pay taxes so why ought they be able to vote your answer is duh that's not my answer then what's your

01:57:48.580 answer i said that americans are supposed to be able to vote they're supposed to have representation

01:57:54.500 there are tax based on law right are there women that pay talking about an ought we're talking about

01:57:58.900 an ought not an is yes of course so they should you're saying they should not be my argument is

01:58:04.500 not that taxpayers should be able to vote that's your argument okay i'm saying women should be able

01:58:09.220 to vote i know and i'm asking you why i'm saying women have a right to vote because we're american

01:58:16.820 citizens we're that is true why property owners we have a stake in the interests of the country should

01:58:22.820 only property we should have representation okay so should only property vote or property owners be

01:58:26.900 able to vote um everyone should be able to vote what if we say that it's a human right to be able

01:58:31.540 to vote then why cannot women stop arguing with her and just tell us why i'm gonna i'm gonna finish my

01:58:36.820 argument over here so anyway okay we have to distinguish an off from an is you keep on saying

01:58:40.660 it is true you're the one yes i'm gonna get to it and said you think women should not be allowed to

01:58:46.180 vote and you still haven't even made a sound argument um because because you gave me your

01:58:52.020 reasoning first so i'm just going through your line of reasoning we spoke about one thing i

01:58:56.740 have many reasons why i believe this and you're honing now i will give you my reasoning and we

01:59:01.540 can see if there's any flaw in my argumentation men are the enforcers of rights and because they're

01:59:07.700 the enforcers of rights they deserve to have all the privileges that comes with enforcement women are

01:59:13.060 not the enforcement of rights including for other women only men can enforce the rights of women

01:59:17.700 therefore only men should be able to have the stake and the claim to vote period how can only men

01:59:24.020 enforce the rights ah well i'm glad that you asked you have rights right yes i do okay what is a right

01:59:33.460 a right is something that basically we've defined out through a bill of rights or constitution something

01:59:40.100 the government can't something the government can't do to you it's an entitlement absent a duty

01:59:45.140 right is that a right well what do you mean by absent a duty there's no duty with your rights we're

01:59:51.460 given we we have god-given inherent rights in america okay and that's where we enshrine our rights

01:59:56.820 from is the rights that god gave us so so god gave you the right to own a gun he gave us the right to

02:00:03.460 self-defense did he give you a right to own a gun he gave us the right to self-defense yeah i know but

02:00:07.380 that's not my question why do you keep on not answering my question did he give you a right to own a gun

02:00:11.940 or is that okay he did so that was not your right to own a gun is not something which can be taken

02:00:17.700 away here's the other thing you say only men can be enforcers of law there are women can actually

02:00:22.740 have a gun and they can enforce rights they can protect rights with guns as well because guns are

02:00:28.580 equalizers so let me explain this the best way let me explain this the best way i possibly can

02:00:32.500 they give children guns in some countries let me explain this the best way that i possibly can

02:00:36.660 so women can also just prattling you just prattling it's not prattling i thought you wanted the

02:00:40.900 explanation do you want me to give it to you or not so guns rights are women's i'll give you i'll

02:00:45.540 give you the explanation instead of your incessant prattles so here's the actual here's the actual

02:00:50.100 explanation men are the enforcers of rights rights don't exist they don't exist you can't taste them

02:00:55.380 you can't touch them you can't see them they're a social construction no men did not create the

02:00:59.140 rights god did okay they he did what what rights did god give you god gave me the right to exist he gave

02:01:06.580 me free will you have a right to exist yeah oh really so you couldn't just wink out of existence

02:01:11.540 tomorrow god created me what does that have to do with the right i have the right to free will

02:01:18.420 you have a you have a right to literally nothing except what other people allow you to have all of

02:01:24.420 your rights can be that's what it literally says in our constitution i know what it says but that

02:01:28.260 doesn't mean it's true oh so you don't believe in the i don't believe that rights are real okay so you

02:01:32.980 don't believe in the constitution i don't believe that rights go to a different country i didn't

02:01:36.100 say what does that have to do with anything even if i said okay i'll go to another country now rights

02:01:40.980 are suddenly real that makes no sense talk about rights because that's the that's the core of what

02:01:46.580 we're talking about the right to vote last i checked right you don't even care about rights

02:01:50.260 because you don't believe in the cause i don't believe in rights i believe the constitution is real

02:01:55.620 but that doesn't mean i believe that rights are not a social construction our rights is social

02:01:59.700 construction how do you think the constitution you keep asking me questions even though i've

02:02:03.060 answered all of them are you gonna answer one of mine are rights a social construction i believe

02:02:06.500 in the constitution i know i believe americans have the right to vote i believe that's not are they

02:02:11.700 are they real or not um is what real rights or are they a social construct no i mean our rights are god

02:02:18.740 given see what right is god really quick really quick let me explain something to you okay explain

02:02:26.420 where did the monarchs used to derive their right from oh well their right to rule the monarchs were

02:02:31.620 sovereigns and they believed that they had the direct lineage from king david and therefore they

02:02:36.900 had been given the right uh-huh of god to rule over their people oh monarchs we had yes because they

02:02:43.220 believe they had been given the right from god to rule over the people when and how did they enforce

02:02:48.260 that right don't interrupt when we had the declaration of independence right we had 70 1776 that was a group of

02:02:55.540 american founding fathers coming together and recognizing that they in fact were all given

02:03:02.180 god-given rights and it wasn't just the sovereign that we were all sovereign this is all we were all

02:03:06.740 giving god this is all john locke nonsense listen it's not we'll back it off we'll back it up yes it

02:03:11.700 is it's enlightenment yes the enlightenment principles the enlightenment principles are what

02:03:17.380 founded it okay okay well no it didn't but anyway the enlightenment principles that you're talking

02:03:22.100 about right now they still acknowledge that rights are social constructs they have to be

02:03:26.900 they're not that's how you get your right when you talk about a god ideology if your rights can

02:03:31.780 be stripped on you which how you know the ideology i'm talking about is true if you can they can't be

02:03:35.860 real if they can be taken from you have a right to nothing how is this not moral relative what do you

02:03:39.460 mean no more what do you mean by only men can if you can convince people that they don't have any

02:03:44.020 rights and it's all social construct you can strip them from them you can

02:03:47.380 convince them that they don't have rights but if people know that they have god-given rights

02:03:54.020 and that their rights come from god then they can act as though they're real and then they can enforce

02:03:58.260 that they are real god did not give us a right to vote unfortunately our rights are real they're

02:04:03.620 socially constructed can you okay point to me point out a right for me so how do you call

02:04:07.780 is there right over there what about over there is there a right down there is there right i don't

02:04:12.740 see any where are they do you not believe in the authority of god yes of course god is an

02:04:17.060 existing objective okay so what did god tell israel about which thing okay did he not give him

02:04:23.380 authority did he not give the the line of david yes you can say not give but who enforced who

02:04:29.060 enforced the authority of kings kings okay so priests apparently are given rights kings correct yes and

02:04:35.620 they enforce their authority as well okay so how is that not a social construct in your because these

02:04:39.940 are objectively given from a being the construction of your third fourth fifth sixth seventh eighth ninth

02:04:45.540 12th amendments all of them are social constructs they don't exist in tangible reality if they do

02:04:51.140 point one out show me show me your right to vote where is it absent your mind show it to me the one

02:04:57.860 for quartering you can say that with anything well you can say about anything that is a social

02:05:02.420 construct about the spirit so of course you're not going to be able to have something physical

02:05:06.420 when we're talking about spiritual that's blonde is making a really good argument as to why women

02:05:11.380 shouldn't no shit but anyway back to this can i ask back to this hang on hang on hang on hang on

02:05:16.820 let me let us finish the argument we're almost done we have no you guys can you show me like him

02:05:22.180 absent the mind where your rights are

02:05:24.020 yeah that's great the rights aren't a social construct can you point to one outside your mind

02:05:31.300 can you point to a right outside your mind don't ask me a question answer my question can you point

02:05:36.900 to a right outside your mind define the spirit you're that's another question can you physically

02:05:41.460 define stop asking the question answer it no because no because you can't no you can't answer

02:05:47.140 it because you're not you imbecile where is a right absent your brain where is it okay define

02:05:52.900 the consciousness why why can women not vote if they're not the enforcers of rights i want to know

02:05:57.700 that no the funny thing here is this is what's debated when when people are when scientists are

02:06:02.500 talking about ai they're debating consciousness and there are so many philosophers and people that

02:06:08.260 debate consciousness all the time so you're asking me to define the spiritual and the and

02:06:12.740 consciousness and put it into a physical state which you know is impossible so you're you're going

02:06:17.380 with a false argument consciousness or rights to try to prove a point that you're not even touching

02:06:21.220 consciousness or rights being conscious means that you have your spirit and your soul do people in

02:06:26.020 somalia who are conscious have rights where are rights absent your mind why can't women vote

02:06:32.980 where is your right to vote absent your mind where is your stop asking me a question and answer one

02:06:39.380 where is your argument absent i'll tell you what i'll answer any question you want after you answer this

02:06:44.020 one where is your argument outside of your subconscious my okay all my arguments are based in the

02:06:49.140 epistemological the epistemology and the ontology that i have comes directly from god and divine

02:06:53.860 command really this answers yes and yours and i said i said i believe my rights are god-given that's

02:06:58.980 great and that's what we're talking about now i just answered your question now answer mine where is

02:07:03.780 this right to vote absent your brain where's your argument yeah i just won't answer it no matter what wait

02:07:11.220 can you answer his question though no she can't she knows she already knows it's a fail where's your right

02:07:15.940 to vote absent your brain i've been saying this whole time my rights are god-given your right to

02:07:20.180 vote comes from god yes it does yes it does yes it does my right wait hold on

02:07:24.820 we have a hundred dollars and just gotta go

02:07:30.820 my right to vote comes from god

02:07:36.660 your substantial rights are what you should focus on yeah go have a smoke

02:07:41.220 you can't define consciousness in a physical state like he hasn't answered why he thinks women

02:07:46.820 no he has it the whole thing he's coming back no the whole thing he's been doing here has been

02:07:51.780 because he can't actually answer hold on hold on why he thinks that women shouldn't he's gone he

02:07:56.660 can't respond so let's let me get he went down some really crazy two hundred dollars the constitution

02:08:03.540 is a commercial charter which expired the right to vote is a civil right franchisees doing bankrupt

02:08:10.260 corporations your substantial rights are what you should focus on okay distinction rose uh appreciate

02:08:17.300 it thank you very much also just want to make one thing clear you know we're having some debates here

02:08:21.620 the views expressed by the panelists do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever whatever

02:08:28.020 podcast me specifically i'm okay i'm cool vote women women should vote i'm i'm fine with it not trying

02:08:35.540 to get canceled women should vote he has his own thoughts on that please don't cancel me uh the censors

02:08:42.580 but but uh good talk um good talk oh thank you for the 10 gifted memberships and uh i'm trying to

02:08:51.940 think oh we were going around the table on who is a feminist who's a feminist uh i think oh it's

02:08:59.300 my turn your turn yeah yeah well i just want to say like i don't understand where his rights were

02:09:03.860 coming from if he doesn't believe in the constitution as american but anyway um i am not

02:09:08.260 a feminist i am absolutely not a feminist like i said though i do think that women have should have

02:09:14.340 the right to vote in america wasn't that propagated by the feminists no i think women should have the

02:09:18.980 right look who's propagating that hold on hold on just let's stick to the question i'm a reformed

02:09:25.860 feminist reformed feminist so no longer feminist correct okay what about you um i would consider

02:09:31.620 myself a feminist in the sense that women should be given the right to take on certain masculine roles

02:09:39.140 but i think that it's in our best interest to um stay within those boundaries i guess

02:09:46.180 yes okay so oh he's coming back okay um madison are you a feminist no okay wait so can you explain

02:09:59.060 your position a little in more detail like i think that yeah women should be able to vote into the mic

02:10:05.940 please yeah i think that women should be able to vote and you know go to school and take on more

02:10:11.940 masculine roles more masculine roles as was said but i think that um i think that those gender roles

02:10:21.380 are innate and i think that we've been both genders benefit from them what do you mean like women like

02:10:29.940 into the mic a more traditional like household and just gender roles in general i guess so on a societal

02:10:36.980 level you want equality but when it comes to the relationship the intersexual dynamics between men

02:10:44.260 and women you want traditional order is that my understanding okay so would you since you mentioned

02:10:51.540 you're fine with on a societal level equality between men and women i assume then you're also in favor of

02:10:57.060 women being subject to military conscription um i'm not opposed to it

02:11:02.900 so you're in well i mean that would equality would demand it equality would demand that women are

02:11:10.100 subject to military conscription then yes okay so you're you're in favor of it sure okay okay just

02:11:17.780 checking just checking on the roles andrew's back from his smoke break how was the smokes it was great

02:11:23.460 smokes were good let me read the chat i actually don't think women should be forced to conscript

02:11:27.460 well see that's i don't think they should i don't think they should be drafted either yeah because

02:11:32.020 they have that right from god cannot be because we're women right we that's your right think god

02:11:37.380 think of it from a logical standpoint okay let's think of the logic here women okay women are who

02:11:44.980 are going to birth the future generations to keep your nation going stronger correct yeah so if you send

02:11:50.660 a bunch of your women out to war to die you are going to severely impact your population numbers in

02:11:57.540 your nation because if you you could have fewer men essentially and and more women and you can still

02:12:05.060 balance your population let me come in really quick well okay hole in this line of argument okay so that's

02:12:10.100 one argument the other argument is that because women are physically not as strong because women

02:12:16.660 menstruate because women have carry pregnancies um i think that those are reasons why i don't think

02:12:23.780 that it would be beneficial to have them in military service i think it's probably going to be more of a

02:12:28.420 burden on the military than it would actually be well to to argument one you actually you would still

02:12:34.420 create a gaps argument with this as well even if you send men off you would end up with less men

02:12:40.100 which means that unless you suddenly become a christian polygamist you're still going to have

02:12:44.020 less men than are required to impregnate the women and i'm guessing you want one woman per one man

02:12:49.060 so even sending men off to die you're still going to eat you're still going to have this problem

02:12:53.140 right technically not technically not what well like like if you were to think of i'm not necessarily

02:12:59.300 advocating for this but if you had a situation where you had a severely declined population

02:13:04.420 in a nation and you had to increase the numbers you could increase the numbers via like in

02:13:09.940 in vitro fertilization you could you could do other types of and there were people who used

02:13:15.060 to do in vitro fertilization so first right in vitro fertilization in vitro fertilization is highly

02:13:22.020 expensive if you look at israel israel has a massive ivf program it costs their state millions upon

02:13:28.580 millions upon millions mostly our dollars yearly and it's not very effective it's only hang on i'm

02:13:35.380 almost done it's it's only raised it slightly you still would end up with this gaps argument

02:13:40.420 if you're a christian you believe one man for one woman you would still be decreasing the population

02:13:45.060 of men which means that unless you switch over to polygamy you have this the argument actually turns

02:13:49.700 on you if women out there were dying at the same ratio that men were right and then you would have

02:13:55.540 exactly the amount of men and women that you would need to repopulate right but then

02:13:59.460 well not necessarily i mean you could technically well i don't know i know math you could do math in

02:14:04.500 my brain right now you had a dying population on an island okay and you had 10 women and 10 men

02:14:11.060 if you were to try to send your people off to go you know fight another a group of people you would

02:14:15.780 be smart to preserve as many women as you could because you'd be able to uh create you know yes

02:14:20.660 duplicate your numbers as long as you had a couple men you could duplicate the yes but then you would

02:14:25.380 be endorsing polygamy right right and there were times when people yeah but that's not within the

02:14:29.220 christian ethic is it polygamy some christians i guess oh so are they the same ones that have

02:14:33.460 female pastors well no it's actually those christians no it's actually that's actually a fact though that

02:14:39.940 there were christian groups that that resorted polygamy to boost their numbers yes and it's immoral

02:14:44.260 though from the christian ethic okay and you do agree with that right we're talking about we're putting

02:14:48.740 on our our logical uh like nation hat right now as far as what a nation should do for a military

02:14:55.220 i'm not talking about it from necessarily christian standpoint but that was your argument but the other no

02:14:58.900 that's not what i said now yes it was what you said here's the other thing there's another um

02:15:04.740 another argument here for it which is women should have their own sports right because if men compete

02:15:11.860 in women's sports we all know that the men are going to win because they're stronger they're faster the

02:15:16.980 way they're built um anatomically they are uh you know they're stronger they're faster so there's no

02:15:24.740 real point to putting a female in a combat situation with men when we know the woman's

02:15:30.100 most likely they're all just in support roles well support roles is another thing so they should be

02:15:34.420 drafted for support roles well if if it were just something like support roles as in being a nurse or

02:15:39.700 something like phone communication lines most of the military not combat roles well if it's non-combat

02:15:45.300 roles i would say that then i would agree that you know women could be conscripted but i would say that

02:15:49.940 if i thought that earlier you said it goes against god's ontological nature that he made women with

02:15:55.060 yes i didn't say god you did you said their nature their nature for the draft is part of yes no i said

02:16:02.100 because women menstruate because women uh carry pregnancies because women's bodies are weaker i was

02:16:08.660 talking about that being why women shouldn't be in the military i think that it would be more of a burden

02:16:14.500 to have them in and you're saying you're pointing out that okay well maybe we have them in non-combat

02:16:20.100 roles and i would say well if they were limited to having the women in non-combat roles then i would

02:16:25.300 say okay but we clearly see that that's not the case we see that there are women who are being forced

02:16:30.180 to be in combat roles but if they limited it to only non-combat roles then i would say okay that might

02:16:36.100 be something that i could be in agreeance with as long as the women are not mothers that have to tend to

02:16:41.060 children okay so backing up on the basis of argument one which is well if we send the men off to war

02:16:48.900 and a bunch of them die we can just do polygamy yeah i i mean i guess but that would be against

02:16:53.700 your christian i'm not necessarily saying that i get it so that that one's rejected right obviously

02:16:58.740 you don't believe that shit right that would be bad what i'm saying is in order to equalize a society

02:17:03.620 that the population was seriously hurt because because look what happened in world war ii you had

02:17:09.220 hundreds millions hundreds of millions of people being killed and they solve that with

02:17:14.900 age gap relationships right and how how much how much harder would have been to recuperate our

02:17:20.740 population numbers if we had sent if half of those were women it would it probably would have taken a

02:17:26.740 lot longer to recuperate our population you would have exactly the amount of men to women no that's why

02:17:31.540 it makes no sense right this the argument falls back on you either way so either a women and men go

02:17:37.700 out and they have roughly the same losses so there's just as many men as there are women or b men go

02:17:42.900 out and a bunch of them die and now you have less men than are necessary for polygamous relationship

02:17:46.820 with women you can't have your cake and eat it too here well here's the thing if women if if you're

02:17:51.860 talking about having the women in non-combat roles anyway then the women aren't going to be being

02:17:56.340 put in the position of dying but so they weren't talking about that originally yeah and that's

02:18:00.500 what i'm saying one of my i brought that up population numbers but what i'm saying is if what your

02:18:05.060 argument was okay well what if the women are in the non-combat roles right well therefore it

02:18:08.900 wouldn't be affecting population numbers because the women are not going to be in direct combat

02:18:14.100 they're not going to be in combat their lives are not likely to be being taken from them so at that

02:18:19.300 point it's uh it's less likely to run into the very problem that i was now let's let's move into

02:18:24.820 non-combat roles wouldn't it still be effective even in the non-combat roles to have men serve in

02:18:28.820 those roles than women since a lot of them require a lot of physical labor well i think that i think that

02:18:34.260 it it's possible for some women to be able to fulfill that role but i think that the outliers

02:18:40.180 right like the six foot tall big girls that can do all 26 of them you know right but i think that

02:18:47.380 as a whole most women are not going to be suited for uh like military service at all right well i

02:18:55.380 would say so why should we if they can't defend the nation then they can't i'm not saying military

02:18:59.300 service at all i agreed with you if they can't defend our nation as a whole and you're defending

02:19:03.780 on men then to defend your nation for you and go out and die that's why i think they should be able

02:19:08.420 to vote and you shouldn't okay well you just acknowledged that women could perform non-combat

02:19:14.100 roles as long as men let them no i didn't defeat my own argument you did three times here let's go

02:19:20.020 through it all all three times there's no contradiction you're literally there's no

02:19:25.380 contradiction i was granting your argument for the purpose of destroying it i showed you yes even

02:19:30.260 if we added them as non-combatants gave you that argument to save you from you if this were even if

02:19:35.060 we were to already a million even if we were to grant your argument what's the contradiction the

02:19:40.180 contradiction was you just said uh-huh you literally said that women can do no no i said what if we move

02:19:47.300 them into those okay because you know they're capable no you wouldn't have even have suggested that

02:19:51.940 if that's why we clarified immediately after by saying wouldn't men be better in those roles and

02:19:55.940 you were like yeah they would andrew they would be better in those roles and i was like yeah see

02:20:00.980 i grant everyone's argument for the purpose of destroying it twice no you're contradicting there's

02:20:05.140 no contradiction point it out okay the contradiction was you suggested that women can fulfill

02:20:10.980 non-combat roles your argument yeah no that was your argument you presented that i said what if we

02:20:16.740 move them into non-com roles rewind everyone can i said what if we move them into non-com roles you

02:20:21.860 said yeah we could do that so then i said but even if we did wouldn't men be better in that role you

02:20:25.780 said yes absolutely and i went well then that's really not a viable argument either would they be

02:20:30.980 better in the role in a non-combat role yes it would be better in a non-combat role so then if we

02:20:36.420 want the most effective military we want it to be men therefore men are the enforcers and even if we

02:20:41.780 did move women all women into non-combat roles they still would not be going out and doing the

02:20:47.140 killing and dying so therefore they still should get the big piece of chicken the extra piece of

02:20:52.100 meat and the voting rights okay here's the question is is sitting there behind a desk operating a drone

02:20:58.660 a non-combat role uh i'm not sure i'm not sure it is a non-combat role because when you are is it

02:21:08.180 is it classified as a non-combat role i'm not sure you're sitting it's not hand-to-hand

02:21:12.100 combat okay it's not physical combat so what that doesn't mean behind a desk and you can

02:21:16.660 operating in a tank is not hand-to-hand combat either that's that a non-combat role you're in

02:21:22.420 a tank what about an f-16 that's not hand-to-hand well there are well there aren't that many women

02:21:29.860 pilots it does take a lot of physical impact on your body to be a pilot right so the best pilots are

02:21:36.420 going to be men the best tankers are going to be men the best non-combatants are going to be men

02:21:40.260 and the best combatants are going to be men we want the most powerful military we know that men

02:21:43.700 are going to enforce your rights therefore men get to vote because they have more stake in the game

02:21:47.700 and you don't who had the men that are being sent off to die i'm just men could have you whether you

02:21:56.660 wanted them to have you or not that's the point of enforcement the point of enforcement is regardless

02:22:02.900 of what women want whatever they claim where they claim oh no we're equal we're ontologically equal

02:22:07.940 we're physically equal we have the same knowledge bases we have all men can just take what they want

02:22:13.380 collectively if men say tomorrow you have no rights you don't have any so you're going back to thinking

02:22:18.980 women shouldn't have the right to vote i'm saying to you and due to enforcement if men say collectively

02:22:23.940 tomorrow you have no rights you don't have any can can do would you like me to point out country

02:22:28.820 after country where this is true it's horrible but i thought they were inherent from god

02:22:34.660 they they are oh they should be but people choose to do bad things the only reason but i thought that

02:22:40.980 it was inherent people choose to break from god's will all the time it's called sin okay because he

02:22:45.860 gave us free will so god gave you god gave you rights and you just ignore them i was i was gonna ask

02:22:50.820 him all men are enforcers because of the historical trend of men being in power no it's because they can

02:22:56.820 literally stop you to death there's nothing you can do okay do you give your wife any say decisions

02:23:02.180 in your household if we lived in a like sometimes okay so your wife i know you think that's impossible

02:23:07.300 but if i can pose that hypothetical that we live in an all-female government where the women are the

02:23:12.340 ones who enforce the rights is that women can't enforce the rights they would still rely on men to

02:23:16.980 enforce the rights okay let's so if men so i'll explain it physically i'll explain hang on the woman

02:23:22.260 could be i'm trying to explain it to you and then the man can enforce the rights but why can a woman

02:23:26.020 not vote in that i'm gonna explain it to you so that you know yeah okay let's say you had a 100

02:23:31.780 powerhouse government of all women they're all shira bitches and tight leather who do ninja kicks in

02:23:36.340 men's faces problematic they are the action movie stars that you have seen they are the black widows

02:23:42.580 okay still wouldn't matter because ultimately the enforcement of the population if it collectively said

02:23:47.620 nope they're gone and there's nothing they can do about it but in reverse it's not true if men

02:23:52.340 collectively say to women we're in charge and you're not you can do that's the distinction but

02:23:58.500 whether or not you're in charge is always going to be based on men allowing you to be in charge

02:24:03.460 because collectively they can take that away women could not collectively take it away from them so your

02:24:08.100 whole argument is men should be able to vote and women know because men are physically stronger and

02:24:14.340 men can physically overpower them and that's the definition of rights no his argument is that the

02:24:18.260 reason they should have the right to vote is because they have the inherent like burden burden

02:24:23.540 of defending you the burden is being physically stronger no not just physically because if we

02:24:29.460 were physically stronger than all of this would be reversed but you're not yeah so who cares

02:24:35.780 that's not just an anatomical argument that doesn't have any wait a second let's assume for a

02:24:40.260 second that it is just an anatomical argument so what are aren't you losing out on thousands

02:24:46.900 billions of women for your economy for your scientific no why those bitches can still work

02:24:52.180 they just can't vote those are they gonna want to work if they can't vote do we care what they want

02:24:57.860 inherently that's the point the point is if you have the enforcement arm and the enforcement

02:25:02.500 collective of the enforcement arm people don't have a choice you don't get to go well we don't want to

02:25:07.300 work they go then we don't care if you want to work then why can women vote then why can women

02:25:11.780 vote then why can they're allowed to by the benevolent patriarchy i have a question so and

02:25:17.380 when the benevolent patriarchy decides to take that away it's not they ain't gonna vote no no it's not

02:25:21.940 benevolency it's not benevolency it's they have to they don't have to yes they do why revolution

02:25:27.780 female revolution you think it's not possible female revolution tell me all about the female

02:25:32.420 revolution okay listen not like where was that not like did they grab guns take the patriarchs

02:25:38.020 you look really you look really silly and emotional right now are you on your period

02:25:42.980 anyways he might be holy this is hilarious but what i'm female revolution yeah okay like as in we

02:25:50.420 stop doing our motherly duties we abort all of our children ourselves we don't we don't work you just

02:25:57.540 coat hanger them out right sorry but but hey the whole here's the big giant massive hole in your

02:26:04.020 argument again why do you think that you're allowed to do any of those things if the patriarchy says no

02:26:09.940 but they play chess they play chess why would they allow us to if they didn't have to the only reason

02:26:14.980 why they allow us to do this is because they have to that's weird so every move you make on a chess

02:26:19.620 board is because you have to make the move no no no no no no well yeah i'm saying yeah if they box you

02:26:25.780 if the other person is playing chess and they box you in somehow you're gonna have to move to not

02:26:30.180 get checkmate right with the men and so men would take all the power if they could they can yeah they

02:26:36.820 would take away a right to vote tomorrow which way but they can't no to the question you have what is

02:26:42.020 called like 30 minutes you have what is called a benevolent patriarchy and because the patriarchy is

02:26:48.340 benevolent they don't like to see women uncomfortable okay so they have worked they don't like to see

02:26:52.340 women uncomfortable they have worked tirelessly inside of the christian ethic to do everything

02:26:55.860 that they possibly can do all men work within the christian women most men in the side of the united

02:27:00.420 states did yeah most men okay what was your question thank you why is it okay so aside everything that

02:27:06.660 we've been you know listening to for the last 30 minutes which is like reactionary why if men believe

02:27:11.540 this why are they not then reinforcing this into their house because like she said belief is the key

02:27:17.300 yeah but men in their own houses why are they being cucks to the feminist ideology and not

02:27:21.940 controlling their own house saying something is true versus something no that's not even what i'm

02:27:26.660 talking about i'm saying why are you not defending their own beliefs in their own that's a descriptive

02:27:31.300 claim of is why are they not a descriptive claim of is or is it an ought claim no i'm saying why are men

02:27:38.020 not being accountable in their own houses and leading their women and children to the best way that

02:27:42.340 let's back up so i can try to explain it to you change that is an is claim when you say why aren't

02:27:47.380 men doing x you're talking about what is happening currently you ought to tell your wife not to vote

02:27:51.620 try it still trying she doesn't i vote and she votes how i tell her to to double my vote now back to

02:27:57.460 this what you're at what you're asking that is an is claim right it's a descriptive truth of what's

02:28:02.500 happening right now right um men are not enforcing what they believe in their house yes right okay so that

02:28:08.740 is a descriptive claim it's not an ought claim what should happen well they should be enforcing

02:28:12.900 their just because you can have a home just because you can have a society which can be brainwashed and

02:28:17.540 they can do all sorts of things like oh i don't know have a social contagion like the lgbtq where

02:28:21.940 gen z says now that one in four of them identify as homosexual right you can claim that that's a social

02:28:28.340 contagion populations can be bamboozled they are all the time but if you look at patriarchal

02:28:34.100 okay if you if you talk about patriarch if you talk about patriarchal nations though i can point

02:28:39.060 nation after nation after nation after nation who literally says to women no rights well that's not

02:28:44.340 what i'm talking about i'm saying that the men who are a leader it's not what i want to do it's what

02:28:48.660 you just argued no that's not even that's not even what i'm talking about i'm saying that the men

02:28:53.300 why do you think that women not being do you think that women in this nation were oppressed until

02:28:57.940 they had the right to vote a few years ago seriously is that what you think you think our

02:29:04.020 founders oppressed women on purpose they just wanted to oppress them all tell me

02:29:09.220 what does that have to do with the messaging is that what you think not having a say in the

02:29:13.140 government is kind of they were just oppressing women our founders once men share power there is no

02:29:19.300 balance power there is no power dynamic there are no boss babes please revolt i double dog dare you

02:29:26.820 the patriarchy stands ready to teach you the wages of arrogance yeah so anyway you think that our founders

02:29:33.060 and you think america was inherently sexist towards women i just want to hear you say that on record

02:29:37.380 because we didn't let them vote

02:29:40.580 go ahead men actually did vote to allow women to vote so i can't say that the men didn't allow that

02:29:46.340 that was recent most of american history that is not the case correct well there was a long period of

02:29:52.100 time where women did not have the right to vote right they didn't have the right to own property

02:29:56.260 but just so you know though most men also most men also did not have the right to vote by the way

02:30:02.180 actually one of the reasons why some of the christian churches actually engaged in polygamy

02:30:07.620 which i'm not endorsing polygamy but one of the reasons was because when a woman's husband died in

02:30:12.740 war or any illness anything they didn't have the right to own the property so what they would do is

02:30:19.300 that's why they would um women always have the right to own property no especially their husbands

02:30:23.620 yes they did that's a feminist talking point they always did in order to retain the no in fact the

02:30:28.820 opposite is true men couldn't retain women's property women could always retain their own property how

02:30:35.380 the fuck do you not know this stuff this is basic anti-feminist rhetoric 101 women could always own

02:30:41.300 property in the united states where did you get the idea that they couldn't where did you ever get that

02:30:45.380 idea women's studies classes yeah no shit well where did you get the idea that literally i've

02:30:52.660 i've read about it in history that women where did you read this in neverhappen.com where i mean where

02:30:57.780 where the where was this at that you read about women not being able to own property always had the

02:31:02.980 right to own property yes women could always own property where we're almost everywhere in the world

02:31:07.300 women could own property that that's not tied to voting necessarily a lot of actually

02:31:14.580 actually originally voting was tied to property they owned a lot of voting was tied to properties

02:31:20.420 that were owned by men not properties that were owned no voting was tied to whether or not you had

02:31:26.020 a right to vote vote which men had the right to vote women did not have the right to vote suffrage

02:31:31.380 was limited suffrage was limited on purpose our founders knew exactly what they were doing they

02:31:36.180 did not want pure democracy they knew exactly what it was a nightmare scenario that's exactly what it is

02:31:41.780 so they limit suffrage that was back when half the population was uneducated real quick that's what

02:31:46.340 i wanted to ask you oh but women had the most amount of education those in those populations no

02:31:51.220 women have always done since public schooling began better on inside domestic testing and have

02:31:56.980 had better grades than men always have not only that but the feminist is not the same as a college

02:32:02.100 feminist of the world that you're talking about flew all around the world were highly educated

02:32:06.260 hung out with aristocrats wrote books they got published all over the fucking place these were not

02:32:10.180 oppressed women's bull shit okay but why are we still ignoring the fact that men are obligated

02:32:16.260 as the leader and the head of the home to control their own house can i answer your question and then

02:32:21.060 can i also ask you a question yeah i just i want to understand why we're not focusing on the root which

02:32:26.820 is men being responsible in their own house and why are you cucking to your wife's feminist ideology

02:32:32.020 i know is it men's fault andrew no no men men have men can men control themselves i was going to say

02:32:37.860 that i've noticed in some of the dynamics in relationships in people i know men kind of just

02:32:43.220 say i it's easier they prefer peace so they would rather so they cut they cut in the moment and think

02:32:49.860 that it's they suffer they're suffer their family long term for the instant gratification yeah my that's

02:32:55.300 what's happening what i observe is that they would basically say kind of subscribe to the idea happy

02:33:00.260 wife happy life they in the moment but then long term everyone suffers they're calculating the destruction

02:33:05.140 of their own family by their own personal i'll tell you why this happened in that moment

02:33:08.820 my father had been so conflict like this happened because bolshevik communists came in and they they

02:33:14.500 went into institutions who decided to stay true to their convictions and their yeah but but listen

02:33:19.460 listen you you can have what's called um demoralization of a society this is part of a communist

02:33:26.100 progression for most places that they infiltrate this happened right here in the united states

02:33:30.740 it's happening in canada it's happening all over the west and what happened was there was an

02:33:35.220 infiltration of bolsheviks who got a hold of the institutions and they have been slowly demoralized

02:33:39.860 to the public there's no doubt that this is true you laugh and scoff but it's true you should read

02:33:44.660 anthony that's probably why you're a socialist yeah i know i bet you're a socialist huh so are you a

02:33:50.340 socialist but what's the difference between answer my question are you a socialist no okay what what how do you

02:33:55.460 define politically prefer not to stay yeah that's right how do you define how do you define the

02:34:00.420 men who decide right wing as far on the fucking scale as you can do what's the difference between

02:34:04.980 the men who decided not to cook and the men who just too many questions i do actually hold on let's

02:34:11.220 do you want to actually give an answer though how do you consider are you capitalist or she's a

02:34:15.460 socialist come on just say it we already know it the red scare as you're about to say it i'm not like

02:34:21.780 super defined but i'm a political science student i'd say i'm on the left yeah you're a socialist i'm

02:34:27.300 not a socialist what are you on the left what are you do you believe in laissez-faire capitalism

02:34:32.580 i know about laissez-faire capitalism would you would you prefer a mixed market economy

02:34:38.660 would you prefer that we already have a mixed market so let's try it this way universal health

02:34:42.900 care yes or no okay this you just want to roast me like no i just want to ask and i'm fine

02:34:48.900 yes yes yes okay uh you want expanded welfare benefits uh that one it's a case-by-case basis

02:34:57.060 depends on the benefit depends where minorities specifically implemented whoa chill no that's not

02:35:02.580 i i would say it's very based on public policy is a very complicated thing and i'd say yes generally

02:35:08.340 i'd like the cost of living to be lower and people to be able to just earlier say that you wanted expanded

02:35:12.980 social benefits for maternity leave i said that people would not have to abort as much if there was

02:35:16.980 more so are you for that or against that wait but hasn't the social welfare state it's just like

02:35:23.860 getting an answer okay i don't know show me the numbers okay i okay fine sure yeah more welfare

02:35:30.340 more welfare universal health care go ahead okay so when it comes i'm not roasting that that's what

02:35:35.220 you're setting up for i know that's why you're so curious all of your idea if you don't want to

02:35:39.300 answer the question you don't have to i thought you wanted to engage in a debate i'd love to let's go

02:35:42.740 for it okay so why are we stuck with two ultra extremes you realize that extreme yeah these are

02:35:49.140 ultra i'm still trying to understand you're just a milk toast sitting libertarian and feminism but

02:35:56.980 you don't have anything in the middle that has common sense that's balanced we're gonna allow

02:36:03.540 andrew and her to have back and forth go ahead but the milk toast fincenter wants to jump in you know

02:36:08.180 it's not milk toast it is it's libertarian milk toast feminism okay most people in america it's

02:36:13.060 common sense in the 1970s when they were burning bras maybe but anyway go ahead what do you mean go

02:36:19.780 ahead well i was asking about expanded social programs yeah we should have more expanded social

02:36:25.220 programs right okay what would you say distinguishes your ideology from that of somebody who identifies

02:36:30.900 as being a socialist um uh there are still capitalist things in place in society socialists believe in

02:36:40.340 mixed economies okay sure i'm a socialist okay that's so then when you said the red scare yeah how

02:36:47.860 many people do you think would identify themselves as socialists in the 1950s 1960s 1970s 1980s there's

02:36:53.460 there's a good amount cpusa was still not a good amount cpusa was still active before the what do you

02:36:58.260 define a good amount less than the communist party of the united states of america how do you look it

02:37:02.740 up very no it had a substantial it was substantial involved with um civil rights organizations yeah cpusa

02:37:09.300 communist party usa and people who identify as communists very small threshold even to this day

02:37:14.580 how many people do you think there were in the 80s 70s 60s 50s 40s prior to the red scare there were a

02:37:18.820 lot more but yeah there were a lot more communists here yeah prior to the red scare there are a lot more

02:37:23.540 people who identified as communists prior to the red scare prove it i i wish i could i don't have

02:37:27.940 anything in front of me but yes and it was that because bolshevik communists were imported here

02:37:32.580 after like things like operation paperclip and these various things where we brought them in and

02:37:36.340 then they went into academia like i just said and you scoffed at it show me what does the proof

02:37:41.060 here's the proof do you know what operation paperclip is yeah it's some sort of thing where they sent the

02:37:45.860 bolsheviks in to turn america you don't know what it is to demoralize so just say i don't know what it

02:37:51.220 is just say it sounds familiar but i don't know exactly you don't know what it is so just what does that

02:37:55.540 have to do with like the men he has a really good commentary on what happened and how the wall

02:38:00.660 street uh actually funded the bolsheviks big time if you're a political science major i would again

02:38:07.700 what does that have to do with men in their individualized homes keeping their duty to god

02:38:13.300 and themselves as men and making the best example in their home if men decided i'm not going to deal

02:38:18.980 with feminists and completely stopped dealing with feminists it would go away because women would

02:38:23.140 realize that's no longer a part of the market and if they wanted good men they would have to put

02:38:26.980 aside those and pick up the godly yeah but ultimately perspective you have to understand you're dealing

02:38:32.020 with two massive components one you can look at things like the mk ultra program and you can see

02:38:36.260 how successful brainwashing on a mass scale really is massively successful you know it's true because

02:38:42.900 all you have to do is look at the end of the table to see it okay brainwashing you're very

02:38:46.900 massively successful it's okay but she said that she's not a christian she was raised in a house

02:38:51.780 without a father those are the ones who are most vulnerable to this kind of stuff not true

02:38:57.780 i mean it's kind of true that your propensity to it follows god and sticks to his morals but what

02:39:02.500 you discover is this here's what you discover all i know is that this ideology here that you're

02:39:08.100 espousing no it's not yeah it is this ideology talk to him about mk ultra you don't know what you're

02:39:12.740 talking about ideology here is is literally recruiting feminists it is recruiting leftist

02:39:18.260 liberal voters let's get more women voting because otherwise women do vote that's the reality of the

02:39:22.500 situation so if you continue espousing these very radical belief sets that doesn't actually really

02:39:28.260 align with conservative republican beliefs no it doesn't what's a patriarchy in the christian ethic

02:39:33.380 you are going to be turning out more women to go vote for some horrible candidate like joe biden

02:39:39.380 okay if it's extreme that's what you're going to why do you consider catholicism extreme because

02:39:43.620 it's a patriarchy do you consider orthodoxy extreme because it's a patriarchy and do you

02:39:47.140 consider most denominational churches extreme because they operate under a patriarchy what you're pushing

02:39:52.500 for answer my question without a question for once are they extreme because they are patriarchists

02:40:01.300 no they're not no this religion i'm not saying anything extreme from a christian standpoint next

02:40:07.380 where does it say catholicism women don't have the right to vote though cap the catholic church

02:40:13.620 literally the doctrine was always that you could not have female clergy that was the doctrine same

02:40:19.060 thing with orthodoxy always okay so how what we have separation of church and state though so when

02:40:25.460 we're all you secularist beliefs yay our founders would have loved that okay but we don't have a you

02:40:31.220 know we aren't like the muslim countries where sharia law you know is dictated has a question

02:40:36.820 religion each one of our original colonies had a state religion are you aware that at the founding

02:40:45.300 of the united states all 13 of the colonies which then became states had a state religion are you

02:40:49.940 aware of that all of them had a state religion okay every single one of them where's the separation

02:40:55.860 of church and state okay but you're talking about the colonies you're not talking no post after the

02:41:00.580 united states was ratified every single state had a state religion okay well why do we we have it say

02:41:07.540 separation of church we don't that's a liberal progressive talking point no it isn't yes it is

02:41:12.500 their secularism is stupid on its face that's why they don't allow they they don't allow religion in

02:41:17.460 the schools can i just and you're you're okay with that no i'm not necessarily well i thought it was

02:41:23.060 one of the reasons why they don't allow it because of the first of all because the supreme court rules

02:41:29.060 on a thing doesn't mean the thing ought to be true one and two doesn't mean that that was the intention

02:41:33.380 of our founders our founders had no intention at all this becoming a muslim nation or anything after

02:41:38.580 the christian nation ever grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars we're gonna read some

02:41:43.540 chat blonde rhino please stop catering to the feminist talking points it encourages them and

02:41:49.620 makes everyone else take you less seriously listen to andrew he's right get some help be better before

02:41:57.380 i have you guys come in that's ridiculous okay she says a ridiculous grid one if you have thoughts on

02:42:02.420 that but let me read these chats we have four chats we'll try to get through them we have killer of

02:42:07.140 cereal it's going to come in here in just a sec grid one thank you man kill of cereal the declaration of

02:42:12.500 independence truths to be self-evident all men are created equal that they are endowed by their

02:42:19.220 creator with certain unalienable rights life liberty pursuit of happiness what you're talking about

02:42:26.260 there is an axiom axioms are do are not a justified starting point the only justification you can have for

02:42:32.980 a starting point is through god i've never seen a secularist present anything other than an axiom meaning

02:42:39.300 i just think we should arbitrarily start here for our philosophical discussion for no

02:42:43.540 fucking reason whatsoever it's not based in anything it's just an axiom my axiom is that

02:42:48.180 that axioms wrong why am i wrong well tell us more about how you don't believe in the constitution

02:42:54.500 i'm telling you that the constitution's a social construction what do you mean don't believe in it

02:42:58.740 you you literally sorry we let me read these chris blakeman 2024 hey guys keep up the good fight and

02:43:05.700 keep this keep spread the word of holding true to our values as men and women together we can all build

02:43:11.460 something great together if we keep having these conversations from chris blakeman 2024 he's running

02:43:17.860 for president uh or something a local something council member all right thank you man yo w benny thank

02:43:24.340 you man appreciate it i can barely watch this podcast without andrew on it at least when andrew

02:43:28.660 isn't around grid one seems to keep the three-o foes the strumpets in check long time listener first

02:43:34.820 time donator hey thank you man a 45 acp beats bjj brazilian jiu-jitsu every single time an automatic

02:43:43.060 cult pistol wins every conflict it's true what about the bow you think a bow could like

02:43:47.860 fuck up a bjj guy spencer what do you think i think he could yeah a compound bow compound bow

02:43:54.260 spencer bow do it okay anyways uh we have last one here we have hopeless niners fan with 145 hey

02:44:01.300 thank you man appreciate it the number of cigarettes andrew will need after this podcast

02:44:11.220 that's that's a lot a lot of sevens however many of that is how many packs a day do you smoke

02:44:15.780 andrew one or one pack two packs one pack just one pack okay unless i'm unless i'm on stream then

02:44:20.580 i puff a lot the casual one pack okay cool um oh we have a chat here we're i would like uh if we can

02:44:28.020 let's try to maybe bring it back a little more dating centered uh perhaps we can get back to some

02:44:33.620 of these topics some of these topics a little later on but we have stifler ask everyone to rate their looks

02:44:41.060 on a scale of one to ten starting with you your looks go ahead oh um

02:44:51.060 do a solid eight solid eight okay what about you um i guess an eight two four eight point five six

02:45:11.060 living underscore donated two hundred dollars i got you bro

02:45:21.340 andrew smokes seven six dillion seven hundred and seventy seven quintillion seven hundred and 77

02:45:27.360 quadrillion seven hundred and seventy seven trillion seven hundred and seventy seven billion seven hundred and

02:45:33.780 777,777,776 a day.

02:45:39.960 On that note.

02:45:41.080 Oh, he's taking a cigarette break.

02:45:43.760 He's taking a cigarette break.

02:45:46.860 All right.

02:45:48.640 I think we were on this.

02:45:51.500 You seem to...

02:45:53.040 I don't know.

02:45:53.560 You're looking at me kind of...

02:45:55.220 I don't know.

02:45:59.120 I don't know.

02:46:00.120 I mean, do you want me to rate my looks?

02:46:02.040 Stifler does.

02:46:03.200 Okay.

02:46:04.180 Stifler.

02:46:04.780 Ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of 1 to 10.

02:46:08.140 I think that maybe the guys should just...

02:46:10.480 They can rate my looks.

02:46:12.420 You sure you want the chance to rate your looks?

02:46:14.280 That's fine.

02:46:14.780 I don't care.

02:46:15.220 You shouldn't...

02:46:15.720 I don't think you should...

02:46:16.460 No, that's fine.

02:46:17.340 They can rate me as 1 or I don't really care.

02:46:19.560 They can rate me.

02:46:20.120 I don't think you should invoke their wrath on this one.

02:46:22.100 I don't know.

02:46:22.280 That's okay.

02:46:22.780 Okay.

02:46:22.980 Okay.

02:46:23.440 Well, what do you rate yourself as, looks-wise?

02:46:27.460 Um, I just...

02:46:31.420 I don't understand why...

02:46:32.860 Why is that so important?

02:46:34.720 Like, I get that guys want to always rate people.

02:46:38.720 Like, there seems to be like a common theme of wanting to rate people's looks, right?

02:46:45.060 On a scale of 1 to 10.

02:46:46.860 Women don't do that.

02:46:47.060 Women don't make assessments about physical appearance.

02:46:48.940 I don't usually do that.

02:46:50.160 Really?

02:46:50.680 Yeah.

02:46:51.040 No, I don't.

02:46:51.500 Well, you're married, right?

02:46:52.260 Yeah.

02:46:52.560 So, you didn't...

02:46:53.620 When you were, you know, considering this person to date them, to marry them, maybe not

02:46:58.220 to marry them, but when you first met your current husband, his physical appearance was

02:47:01.940 not in any way a consideration.

02:47:05.080 Not really much.

02:47:06.140 Zero.

02:47:06.960 Actually, it was more about our intellectual connection and just how he made me feel when

02:47:11.560 I was with him.

02:47:12.560 I really admire intellectual men.

02:47:15.600 Okay.

02:47:15.820 And I...

02:47:17.100 That's kind of one of the things that's a big turn on, I guess, for me.

02:47:21.140 I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $200.

02:47:24.740 Yeah, thank you, man.

02:47:25.220 Appreciate it.

02:47:25.560 Just getting here.

02:47:26.700 You've found the perfect man in every way.

02:47:29.660 Strong, handsome, good income, etc.

02:47:32.740 He invites you over.

02:47:34.200 You find a fully loaded 30RD Mag AR-15 next to his bed.

02:47:38.820 What's your reaction?

02:47:41.260 Here, we'll come back...

02:47:44.020 I can answer it.

02:47:45.240 No, we'll...

02:47:45.860 Okay.

02:47:46.240 Hold on.

02:47:47.140 Your reaction.

02:47:48.060 Go ahead.

02:47:49.400 You.

02:47:49.640 Oh, me?

02:47:51.140 Just fully loaded gun.

02:47:56.120 I'd probably, like, ask him why first.

02:47:59.620 Okay.

02:47:59.640 Perfect man in every way.

02:48:00.760 Strong, handsome, good income.

02:48:02.400 He invites you over.

02:48:03.200 You find a fully loaded 30...

02:48:05.100 Third...

02:48:06.220 What?

02:48:06.820 Mag...

02:48:07.120 Okay.

02:48:07.320 Well, the AR-15 next to his bed.

02:48:08.940 What's your reaction?

02:48:10.060 I think it...

02:48:11.140 Just ask him why, and it depends on how he answers.

02:48:14.980 From what?

02:48:15.660 Someone, like, looking out for him?

02:48:17.600 Self-defense.

02:48:18.180 Okay, bro, but, like, if we're gonna have kids or something, like, I might want to get

02:48:24.280 that out of the house.

02:48:26.580 Wouldn't you...

02:48:28.020 If you have kids, wouldn't you want even more to have effective self-defense?

02:48:34.360 I don't want my kids to accidentally shoot themselves.

02:48:36.920 What if there were protocols in place?

02:48:39.840 Like a safe?

02:48:40.460 Not even necessarily safe, but perhaps it was hidden in a place where only your husband

02:48:45.220 knew or you knew.

02:48:46.920 I mean, I'd rather a safe than just it be hidden.

02:48:50.480 Well, okay.

02:48:51.380 Let's just say it was out of reach from kids.

02:48:54.260 Like, up high, really high, or somewhere that the kids couldn't get.

02:48:57.340 But, I mean, I'm really young still, so this is still a question that, honestly, I'm not

02:49:02.440 that sure about.

02:49:03.140 Well, do you want kids?

02:49:03.560 Yeah.

02:49:04.160 Okay.

02:49:04.380 But it's just the question of...

02:49:05.520 I'm fine with gun ownership.

02:49:06.680 It's just the question of would I want to be married to someone who owns, like, a powerful

02:49:10.980 gun in the home.

02:49:11.920 I'm just not sure.

02:49:12.800 I'm literally 19.

02:49:14.420 So, I'm sorry.

02:49:16.000 That's fair.

02:49:16.340 Well, okay.

02:49:16.840 How about the guy you were dating now?

02:49:18.780 That would be scary, like, because we don't...

02:49:24.020 That wouldn't make any sense.

02:49:25.320 Why wouldn't it make sense?

02:49:26.720 It's nothing to defend.

02:49:28.160 What do you mean?

02:49:29.260 I guess it does only make sense in the context of if you have a home to own a gun.

02:49:33.440 What do you mean?

02:49:33.860 What if you're rent...

02:49:34.540 No, if you're renters...

02:49:36.960 What?

02:49:37.600 Okay, I don't think he needs to defend his, like, thousand dollar a month college apartment.

02:49:43.160 No, no, no, no.

02:49:43.760 Hold on.

02:49:44.820 What about defending his life?

02:49:46.940 Yeah, I guess.

02:49:49.820 But I feel like we live in a pretty safe area.

02:49:52.880 I don't know.

02:49:53.760 I don't know.

02:49:54.960 It's not really something I think about a lot.

02:49:56.580 Just to mean, like, realistically speaking, that would be a little jarring.

02:50:00.680 Jarring.

02:50:00.780 Yeah, but I wouldn't, like, break up with him over it.

02:50:03.720 I think I'd have a lot of questions, and I think we might have to have a conversation

02:50:06.740 about maybe getting rid of it if it's too much or getting a smaller gun, but, like...

02:50:10.600 Wait.

02:50:12.320 Okay, there's a whole lot there.

02:50:13.600 Wait, is it a question on guns?

02:50:14.700 It's the, like, perfect...

02:50:16.400 You're a perfect guy, but you go to his place, and there's an AR-15.

02:50:22.200 Okay, I'm chill with it.

02:50:23.560 I don't care, but I have questions.

02:50:25.600 What if he had a hundred of them?

02:50:27.480 I would probably leave the premises.

02:50:29.800 Why?

02:50:30.300 Because that's too many.

02:50:31.400 Why?

02:50:32.220 Because you don't need that many unless you're starting a civil...

02:50:35.520 Need's a strange word.

02:50:36.820 Do you need to wear that tank top?

02:50:38.900 Yes.

02:50:39.480 Why?

02:50:40.240 So I'm not naked.

02:50:41.580 Couldn't you wear a shirt that wasn't that tank top?

02:50:43.500 Yes, but I could also have an axe instead of a gun.

02:50:48.320 You could also have a bazooka instead of a rifle.

02:50:50.280 Okay, what's your point here?

02:50:51.200 My point is, is need.

02:50:52.500 What do you mean, need?

02:50:53.920 What does need have to do with how many guns a person owns, and why would that be a red flag

02:50:57.500 on a person if they owned a hundred, or a thousand, or ten thousand?

02:51:00.480 Because it would be unnecessary.

02:51:02.100 Well, almost everything you do in life is unnecessary.

02:51:05.620 That's true.

02:51:06.160 Being on this podcast is unnecessary, but you're here.

02:51:08.800 Yeah.

02:51:09.040 So what does need have to do with anything?

02:51:12.500 It's, okay.

02:51:14.220 If we were living in a war-torn country that was currently in civil war, maybe I wouldn't

02:51:18.220 be as mad.

02:51:18.760 I'd be like, cool, go sell them.

02:51:20.120 Let's make some money.

02:51:20.960 So like, when all the riots were going on, then it was okay?

02:51:22.900 If I go to my friend's apartment in the college town, and they have a hundred AR-15s, I'm going

02:51:26.400 to be a little confused.

02:51:27.180 Okay, what if they have one?

02:51:28.400 That's the original question.

02:51:30.100 Okay, I'm going to be chill.

02:51:31.320 I'm going to ask a few questions, and depending on their answers, like, I'll probably be chill with

02:51:35.520 it if it's just to defend themselves.

02:51:36.940 What are the questions that you would ask?

02:51:38.360 Why did you buy a gun?

02:51:39.600 Self-defense.

02:51:40.720 What are the other questions?

02:51:42.000 Why do you need that big of one to defend yourself?

02:51:45.940 Big.

02:51:46.340 It's small.

02:51:47.580 Isn't it an AR-15?

02:51:49.060 It could be a bazooka.

02:51:50.240 That shoots a teeny tiny bullet called a 5.56, basically a .22.

02:51:54.700 Why don't you get like a Glock or a handgun?

02:51:56.880 You mean the ones that shoot the bigger bullets?

02:51:59.160 Oh, I don't know.

02:52:00.120 Well, if you're concerned with-

02:52:01.120 The ones that are easier to conceal?

02:52:01.940 You want them to shoot the bigger bullets at the bad guy and not the smaller bullets?

02:52:05.120 I told you guys, like, this is not a topic I know.

02:52:07.700 Oh, I didn't know that.

02:52:08.660 She didn't know anything about it.

02:52:09.820 I was like, I'm 19, I don't know.

02:52:10.680 All she said was she wants to ask a question.

02:52:12.060 Like, she just asked why.

02:52:13.380 I don't think she did.

02:52:14.120 She just said she was going to ask.

02:52:16.240 What if he says, because-

02:52:17.740 Yeah, I mean-

02:52:19.060 Because I want to.

02:52:20.200 That's it.

02:52:20.740 That's the only reason.

02:52:21.780 Well, you don't actually need to have a lock on your door until somebody tries to enter

02:52:26.120 your home.

02:52:26.860 Yeah, I think it's more so if their reason is crazy, then that's why.

02:52:30.480 Yeah, but wouldn't that be the same with everything?

02:52:32.260 Like, if they give a normal reason, like, self-defense-

02:52:33.400 Like, why'd you get that muscle car and they give you a crazy reason?

02:52:35.600 It'd be the same shit, right?

02:52:36.360 A gun is more-

02:52:37.500 If it's a crazy reason for a gun, it's obviously a little worse than a muscle car, isn't it?

02:52:40.600 Why?

02:52:40.620 You could do way worse damage with a car than you could with a gun.

02:52:44.260 Yes, but it's the intention behind it.

02:52:45.960 Like, what are the common intentions?

02:52:47.180 Cars are for driving, guns are for shooting, and killing.

02:52:49.760 Well, wait a second.

02:52:50.440 If we have a tool for everything on planet Earth, why shouldn't we have a tool for self-defense?

02:52:53.480 That seems absurd.

02:52:55.000 Okay, I didn't say we- I didn't say- I never said that we-

02:52:58.360 So, if you could use-

02:52:59.520 Have to have guns.

02:52:59.980 If you could use this gun, or 1,000 guns, or 10,000 guns, let's just say that he has 10,000,

02:53:04.440 he has 20,000, 25,000.

02:53:06.060 I never said I was anti-gun on this podcast.

02:53:07.260 Yeah, but one is to 25 as, you know, it is to two.

02:53:11.180 Like, what would be the problem?

02:53:12.080 I don't get the mentality of-

02:53:15.520 Because there's always a reason why someone does something, and why would you buy 25 guns?

02:53:19.760 I like them, that's it.

02:53:20.520 Okay, if they say that, they're collecting them, that makes sense.

02:53:22.980 Obviously, that's the answer that I needed.

02:53:24.840 If they're like, I want to go shoot 25 people with 25 different guns, then that would be

02:53:28.600 kind of crazy.

02:53:28.720 But if they said that about anything, you would be upset.

02:53:31.160 It has nothing to do with the object, right?

02:53:32.980 If they said, I collect pennies because I want to stuff them down a guy's throat, that

02:53:36.780 would still be just as bad, right?

02:53:38.340 I don't get it.

02:53:38.960 All they ask me is what I would do, and I said I'd ask.

02:53:41.180 Your answer, go ahead.

02:53:43.480 I'd be the same.

02:53:44.860 It's a little concerning.

02:53:45.760 I'm just going to ask, why do you have that?

02:53:47.400 Self-defense.

02:53:47.840 But the question is, so what's your reaction?

02:53:52.000 Perfect guy, strong, handsome, good income, but he owns a single AR-15.

02:54:00.720 I think the...

02:54:01.700 Do I...

02:54:02.420 Would you no longer date him, basically?

02:54:06.900 I mean, I guess, like, I don't know, he's the perfect guy, and he has no intention of

02:54:11.360 using that gun other than self-defense, so sure, why not?

02:54:14.540 I'll stay with him.

02:54:14.960 Okay.

02:54:15.120 Um, I, I've never owned a gun, so, like, I don't know why it was loaded, but if the

02:54:21.480 laws state that, like, it's okay in that state, and he's following all the laws for the guns

02:54:26.000 or whatever, I don't mind.

02:54:28.280 I actually shot guns for the first time, like, a little while ago, and I like them, so.

02:54:31.420 Um, I actually like guns, I want to have my own gun, so I probably wouldn't question him

02:54:36.760 about it, especially if it was right next to his bed, I'd probably just, um, you know, assume

02:54:41.480 it was there for his self-defense.

02:54:42.620 Sure.

02:54:42.800 I think it would, I think depending on the location, the context, what type of guy he is, well, like, the, what type of guy he is, if he's just kind

02:54:53.300 of like a goofy college kid who, like, plays video games all day and, like, lives in his

02:54:57.780 mom's basement, it's like, okay, you know, what's going on here?

02:55:01.080 But if he's, like, a fully grown man living in his own place, like, like you said, then I'd maybe just go, hey, you know, what's that doing there?

02:55:10.820 Because, I mean, just the norms in society now, it's been pushed, you know, very anti-gun in a lot of ways, so I think I've been, you know.

02:55:19.220 Especially this state.

02:55:20.260 Yeah, and I think I've, and I think I've fallen, you know, prey to that a little bit, too, where it is, like, very intimidating and off-putting, but, I mean, he's, if he's the perfect guy

02:55:30.380 that answers it, itself, whatever.

02:55:34.000 I would ask him why he doesn't have an AR-15.

02:55:37.320 No, he does have.

02:55:38.800 Oh, it sounded like you said he just had a handgun by his bed.

02:55:42.340 I said, why don't, I would say, why don't you have an AR-15?

02:55:44.240 No, it's a fully loaded AR-15.

02:55:45.440 Oh, okay, well, I'd say good job.

02:55:46.060 Are you biased against the AK-47?

02:55:48.020 What if he said he had the AK-47?

02:55:49.980 I'd say, let's go to the shooting range.

02:55:51.560 Let's have some fun.

02:55:52.360 What if it was the AK instead of the AR, though?

02:55:54.600 You've got to weigh in on the debate.

02:55:55.900 Wait, what if he was like, I like the AK-47 that 7.62x39 has way more hitting power, it's way more reliable, fucking ARs jam all the time.

02:56:05.980 You know, I just don't like those.

02:56:07.500 I want that good Soviet AK-47.

02:56:10.260 Actually, you know, my husband likes to have me armed with a double-barrel shotgun, that way I can't miss.

02:56:15.540 You got the Biden thing going, the double-barrel?

02:56:18.300 Yeah, it's a double-barrel.

02:56:19.540 It sounds similar to when I met my husband, and I didn't have a problem with it.

02:56:24.720 I wouldn't have a problem with it.

02:56:26.420 I plan on having my own gun one day.

02:56:28.820 But if we did have kids together, I think that it would be best if we had it in a safe.

02:56:34.580 Yeah.

02:56:35.100 I mean, that's one thing I'll say.

02:56:36.580 As a mom with kids, I do take into consideration, like, you have to be safe with kids in the home.

02:56:42.340 Absolutely.

02:56:42.780 You just train them to use them.

02:56:44.000 Then they keep them under their beds.

02:56:45.380 Maybe I have to get up in the morning.

02:56:46.860 Kids are kids in so many ways.

02:56:48.240 They kick in the door, the kids take care of it, you can sleep in.

02:56:51.620 For the time stamper here, we are coming back to the rating 1 to 10 question.

02:56:56.600 We got stuck with you.

02:56:58.000 You seem to have not wanted to, I think the TTS about the R-15 came in while we were talking about this.

02:57:05.220 I said the audience can rate me if they want.

02:57:06.900 Oh, no.

02:57:07.460 I think, well, you were sort of, it sounded like you were objecting to this question to some degree.

02:57:12.260 Why is it?

02:57:14.340 I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $200.

02:57:18.240 Jesus.

02:57:19.560 This is why I'm losing my fucking rights.

02:57:22.620 The P-19.

02:57:24.800 Handguns are for defense in public.

02:57:26.800 Shotguns are for home defense.

02:57:29.020 And our 15s or assault rifles are for when tyranny is present.

02:57:33.000 Well, they're not assault rifles.

02:57:34.200 It's arm of light.

02:57:34.960 But fair enough point.

02:57:36.160 Okay.

02:57:38.480 So going back to Stifler's thing, I was just a little confused.

02:57:43.940 What exactly kind of is your objection, again, with the rating looks on a scale of 1 to 10 thing?

02:57:50.520 I think because, I think the subject here is very much around dating and how people view themselves when they're dating.

02:57:58.580 And because I never really was taking into account what my physical looks were when I met my husband.

02:58:06.960 And I wasn't taking into account his physical looks either.

02:58:09.360 None of that really was an equation for me.

02:58:12.840 And so I wouldn't, I don't think along those lines.

02:58:17.220 So, Andrew, you might have missed it.

02:58:18.300 I was asking her when, you know, with her, she's married.

02:58:21.320 When you first met him and I asked, you weren't even considering looks at all, even a little bit.

02:58:29.040 It wasn't even, you know, weight, height, facial symmetry, nothing.

02:58:35.020 So are you not physically attracted to your husband?

02:58:38.140 I'm a bit confused.

02:58:38.760 No, I'm attracted to him, yeah.

02:58:40.060 Okay.

02:58:40.380 What are the qualities that make him attractive physically?

02:58:43.420 Well, he's very intelligent.

02:58:45.340 No, physically.

02:58:46.400 Oh, physically?

02:58:47.920 Well, here's the thing.

02:58:50.360 I have went on dates before with guys who you would define as like a physical model.

02:58:57.860 And I've been completely unattracted to them and bored with them.

02:59:01.540 So for me, attraction actually is very much based on how I feel with them and whether or not they stimulate me intellectually.

02:59:11.300 Yeah, well, I get that.

02:59:12.260 I like intelligent men.

02:59:13.020 I'm attracted to intelligent men.

02:59:14.300 My wife, one of the things that she does always, even annoys my chat and things like this.

02:59:19.240 Because all she does is talk about how stunningly gorgeous I am, which is in no way, shape, or form true.

02:59:25.640 But she's very kind to do it.

02:59:26.940 Okay.

02:59:27.120 Okay, but what she does is she'll say, I like this quality, I like that quality, I like this quality.

02:59:32.960 She tells a story about how when we met, she opened the door, she heard Dreamweaver in her head, right?

02:59:37.020 The whole nine yards.

02:59:37.980 Speaks very, very highly of me.

02:59:42.020 From the perspective of the husband, he's sitting at home watching you right now, right?

02:59:46.720 I can tell you some things I like.

02:59:47.960 Yeah, what's the physical qualities that you like?

02:59:50.500 He has a nice smile and he's got, you know, I guess pretty colored eyes.

02:59:54.780 I don't know.

02:59:55.680 But that's all your physical, so just no physical attraction at all?

03:00:01.560 That doesn't matter at all?

03:00:02.000 I'm physically attracted to him, but it's not one of those things where like I'm not shallow

03:00:09.580 in that I will dismiss somebody if they don't look like a certain thing I'm after.

03:00:17.240 Like for me, like I said, I will dismiss somebody if I think that they're stupid or if I think

03:00:23.900 I don't respect them or if I think that they're mean or arrogant or condescending.

03:00:28.420 I will not be attracted.

03:00:31.100 Any bit of physical will be gone if there's personality issues or if I see that that person

03:00:38.920 is, you know.

03:00:39.820 Yeah, I get it, but the reason that this is asked is we're purely looking at the physical

03:00:45.500 end of it, which you would agree is super important for, maybe not you, maybe you're

03:00:50.420 the one exception to this rule I've ever found, but most everybody has some kind of qualification

03:00:56.460 for physical attractiveness.

03:00:57.840 Even you must, like for instance, you wouldn't date a guy who's 900 pounds, right?

03:01:03.280 That would be.

03:01:04.380 Yeah, I mean, you're probably right.

03:01:06.040 I probably wouldn't want to.

03:01:07.100 Yeah, I probably wouldn't want to.

03:01:07.900 So there are some physical barriers and we're looking at that, we're saying what you would

03:01:12.740 consider those physical barriers there, you could kind of assume what men's physical barriers

03:01:19.960 may be and based on those, how would you rate your physical looks to that?

03:01:25.080 I'd have to ask the men.

03:01:26.840 I've heard different things from men as to what they think I look like.

03:01:29.800 From your perspective of what you think men would think.

03:01:32.660 How men have thought about me, what they think my number is?

03:01:35.680 Well, I think it's probably, obviously I'm 33 right now, so my number's probably gone

03:01:40.860 down.

03:01:41.360 Sure.

03:01:41.720 Right?

03:01:42.100 When I was younger, a lot of men, I always was just constantly being approached by almost

03:01:49.180 every man I was coming into contact with.

03:01:51.520 But, I mean, how much do men just say to women, you're gorgeous, you're beautiful, you're

03:01:58.400 stunning, you're this, all the time.

03:01:59.820 And that's just not just them saying it.

03:02:01.240 I agree with all that, I'm just saying, based right now, you're 33, how you look, right

03:02:05.180 this second, how would you perceive that most men, most men would perceive you on a scale

03:02:10.560 of one to ten, ten being the highest for physical attractiveness, zero being the least,

03:02:15.260 1,000 pounds, jowls out to here, zits all over the face, right?

03:02:20.360 Right, right, right.

03:02:21.080 Where are you at in that scale?

03:02:22.540 I don't know.

03:02:23.520 That's why I said men.

03:02:24.420 Men are visual creatures.

03:02:25.960 Let's just say you guessed, if you had to guess.

03:02:29.680 If I had to guess?

03:02:30.540 Yeah, I had to guess.

03:02:31.680 Yeah.

03:02:32.100 I don't know.

03:02:33.040 I already told you, I think we should let the audience do it.

03:02:34.640 You don't know how, you don't know a guess?

03:02:37.820 Well, I know that my husband would say he probably thinks I'm a ten.

03:02:42.040 Yeah, I know.

03:02:42.420 Okay, but you.

03:02:43.260 Okay.

03:02:43.740 But what do I do?

03:02:44.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:02:45.220 All right, I'm going to just move on.

03:02:46.500 Go ahead.

03:02:46.980 I don't know.

03:02:47.620 I would say like a six or a seven.

03:02:49.680 Same.

03:02:51.080 Okay.

03:02:51.800 All right.

03:02:52.740 Andrew?

03:02:53.540 Four.

03:02:53.740 Four?

03:02:54.280 Okay, I give myself a five.

03:02:55.820 Twin.

03:02:56.240 Five.

03:02:57.360 All right.

03:02:58.160 There you have it.

03:02:59.220 There you have it, folks.

03:03:00.680 I have maybe a quick throw out here.

03:03:02.400 Actually, let me read this chat really quick.

03:03:04.080 Glad I tuned in tonight.

03:03:05.660 Instead of a bunch of 304s, we have a based 306.

03:03:10.120 No fucking idea what the 306 is, but come back to South Korea.

03:03:15.320 SK, we need more women like you.

03:03:17.840 Oh, SK?

03:03:18.320 Is that Saskatchewan?

03:03:19.540 Oh, okay.

03:03:20.000 Oh, yeah.

03:03:20.780 Oh, I think he's saying your base.

03:03:22.420 Maybe 306 because it's north.

03:03:24.280 I don't know.

03:03:24.980 I don't know.

03:03:26.200 What's a 304?

03:03:27.700 Definitely an area code.

03:03:28.980 What is a 306?

03:03:30.760 Definitely.

03:03:31.160 You may sound based and got happy, so thanks.

03:03:34.020 Is it supposed to be?

03:03:35.740 Never mind.

03:03:36.460 One question related to the rating thing.

03:03:38.480 Does anybody here think they're going to be more physically attractive in 10 years as compared to how you look now?

03:03:43.640 All else being equal, does anybody here think they'll be more physically attractive in 10 years' time?

03:03:50.480 Starting with you.

03:03:51.040 Go ahead.

03:03:51.700 No.

03:03:53.860 No.

03:03:55.040 I mean, no.

03:03:55.980 Objectively, probably not.

03:03:57.240 I don't know.

03:04:00.680 Realistically.

03:04:02.080 Societally.

03:04:02.760 Probably not.

03:04:04.580 Okay.

03:04:06.480 I don't know, but going by the typical pattern of things, probably not.

03:04:12.100 No.

03:04:13.300 No.

03:04:14.500 I think so.

03:04:15.420 I think that your 30s are your prime.

03:04:17.460 Yeah.

03:04:17.760 Oh, okay.

03:04:18.700 All right.

03:04:19.420 What about, let's go 10 years forward.

03:04:22.720 Well, hang on.

03:04:24.000 Okay.

03:04:24.660 Sorry.

03:04:24.760 Yeah.

03:04:26.100 So, 20 years from now, you are 21, right?

03:04:30.040 Yeah.

03:04:31.020 Okay.

03:04:31.500 So, are you going to be more physically attractive at 41 as compared to now?

03:04:35.020 At 21, all else being equal?

03:04:37.700 No.

03:04:38.240 At 41, I would not be.

03:04:39.380 Okay.

03:04:39.840 So, you think you'll peak early 30s, basically, looks-wise.

03:04:43.700 Right.

03:04:44.180 Yes.

03:04:44.380 All else being equal?

03:04:45.920 Yes.

03:04:46.620 Okay.

03:04:48.360 Huh.

03:04:48.720 Okay.

03:04:50.060 You had something, Andrew?

03:04:51.060 I did.

03:04:51.740 So, do you think that attractiveness between men and women is tied to fertility?

03:04:56.880 Do you think that would be a good reason for why men would find younger women to be attractive

03:05:01.280 is because younger women have high fertility?

03:05:06.300 I think that that's part of it, yes.

03:05:08.140 Not in all cases.

03:05:09.620 Really?

03:05:10.000 What would be the other case, besides a fetish?

03:05:13.180 Well, that was pretty much the other.

03:05:16.800 Real quick.

03:05:17.840 So, that's, like, if you're going to introduce, like, lunacy to it, like fetishes or something

03:05:24.260 like this, sure.

03:05:27.020 But, generally speaking.

03:05:28.600 Wait.

03:05:28.900 Can you say the question again, like, simplified again?

03:05:31.980 Yeah.

03:05:32.180 Yeah, so don't you think that what is considered attractive between men and women would often

03:05:38.480 be tied to fertility?

03:05:40.000 I mean, there's that argument for sure.

03:05:42.280 But when I ask my father about it, he tells me that he bases it on a woman's relationship

03:05:48.580 with God, her spirituality, as well as her intelligence, because he needs to be able to trust that woman

03:05:53.940 to raise children with him.

03:05:55.160 Well, I wish your dad was sitting where you are, because if I said the woman had all of

03:05:58.940 those things, but all things being equal, you had to pick between one who was a four

03:06:02.900 and one who was a ten, and both of them had all those same qualities.

03:06:05.380 Which would you pick?

03:06:06.000 Your dad would say the ten.

03:06:07.680 Well, he said, circumstantially, it depends on what that woman is capable of doing.

03:06:11.580 I just said that they have the exact same values, just one's hotter than the other.

03:06:16.100 Well, would you pick a 20-year-old ten over your wife?

03:06:20.680 No, of course not.

03:06:21.620 Okay, why?

03:06:22.460 Because of the value distinction.

03:06:24.140 Okay, well, I think that's what she's wondering.

03:06:25.680 That literally makes no sense what you just said.

03:06:28.880 My question to her was, they have the same values.

03:06:33.160 You say, what about the distinction of values?

03:06:35.540 It makes no sense to my question.

03:06:37.220 The values are identical.

03:06:38.680 If the values are identical, maybe a man would prefer the one who's more attractive, who has

03:06:43.280 the exact same values.

03:06:44.120 And why would they prefer the one who's more attractive?

03:06:46.960 I mean, that's, I'm not a man that I should answer that.

03:06:50.440 I just, all I'm saying is that.

03:06:52.340 Wait, wait, why would you have to be a man in order to answer that?

03:06:55.800 Because it's circumstantial, like I said.

03:06:57.680 It's not circumstantial.

03:06:59.140 The human race must survive, right?

03:07:01.200 Can I finish what I'm saying, sir, please?

03:07:03.120 Well, I mean, can you make it quick?

03:07:04.820 Can you make it snappy?

03:07:05.620 Well, I could have been done if you didn't interject.

03:07:07.100 Can you stop being so consenting?

03:07:07.360 No, I can't.

03:07:08.400 So anyway, can you make it quick?

03:07:09.800 What I'm saying is, like I said, I've asked my father the same questions,

03:07:13.460 and what he delineates to me is that it's circumstantial based on what he's compatible

03:07:18.380 with that woman, what she's capable to do with him in a relationship, in raising children,

03:07:22.640 having a home, having a relationship with God, and things like that.

03:07:25.840 It's not just on attraction alone.

03:07:28.140 And he would take some of this.

03:07:28.960 I know, we know this, but I don't understand why you're incapable of engaging with this.

03:07:33.720 You don't have to be a man in order to engage with the idea that, of course, men are going

03:07:38.260 to be attracted to women who are more fertile.

03:07:40.100 And on top of that, I gave you the equation of same value structure that your dad would

03:07:45.700 like.

03:07:46.380 Woman who's four has it, woman who's 10 has it.

03:07:48.420 You say, he'll pick the woman who's 10.

03:07:50.060 I say, great.

03:07:50.740 If you'll pick the woman who's 10, why?

03:07:52.060 You go, I'm not qualified to answer that.

03:07:53.900 That's crazy.

03:07:54.860 Well, I'm saying that you said, okay, I said that if the attraction was 10 and four, maybe

03:08:00.760 he might pick the one who's a 10.

03:08:02.440 Why?

03:08:02.660 If they have the same values.

03:08:03.900 Why?

03:08:04.240 Because maybe he might be whatever, but you just equated it to fertility, and that's not

03:08:10.200 what I initially said.

03:08:11.060 No, no, no, the whatever is the question.

03:08:12.280 I said nothing to do with fertility.

03:08:13.240 The whatever is the question.

03:08:14.740 Because of our biological wiring.

03:08:16.580 Right.

03:08:16.980 So the question is the whatever part.

03:08:19.480 Why would he be attracted to the 10 over the four?

03:08:22.700 Or even if they have the same values, other than because-

03:08:26.500 I can't answer that for him because he doesn't answer questions like that.

03:08:29.680 Do you have daughters?

03:08:29.940 He literally doesn't answer questions like that.

03:08:31.840 Do you value them and love them based on how physically beautiful they are?

03:08:39.180 No, of course not.

03:08:40.160 Why?

03:08:41.520 Because I'm looking at the value structure of the human being.

03:08:44.580 So do you think God judges and values the women, his daughters, based on 1 through 10

03:08:52.440 of how they look?

03:08:53.240 No.

03:08:53.780 No.

03:08:54.100 And what does it say in the Bible about judging a woman?

03:08:55.960 What does that have to do with what makes a man's dick hard, lady?

03:08:59.580 What does that have to do with what makes a man's penis go up?

03:09:03.000 What does, what God values in a woman or a child or what you value in a woman?

03:09:10.060 So you're talking about sin and lust.

03:09:11.900 No, I'm talking about physical attractiveness.

03:09:15.040 Okay.

03:09:15.460 That's what you're talking about.

03:09:16.440 No, I'm talking about physical attractiveness.

03:09:18.400 You do realize in order to have a baby, you have to have sex?

03:09:21.360 Yes, I know.

03:09:21.960 Oh, great.

03:09:22.660 You know that.

03:09:23.240 That's crazy.

03:09:23.960 If you're supposed to be a Christian to judge a woman based on their heart.

03:09:26.360 Is a penis required to be hard for you to have sex?

03:09:28.820 Would that require an attractiveness level so that the penis can get hard to have sex

03:09:32.760 to have the baby?

03:09:33.960 How many drinks have you had tonight?

03:09:35.760 You sure are pretty degrading.

03:09:37.860 I don't think.

03:09:39.400 I really hope the future, your future son-in-law.

03:09:42.640 How many drinks have you had, Andrew?

03:09:43.580 I really hope your future son-in-laws don't treat your daughters the way you treat and think

03:09:47.980 about women.

03:09:48.440 I'm pretty sure.

03:09:49.100 How do I think about women?

03:09:50.560 Wait, wait, wait.

03:09:51.120 No, no.

03:09:51.480 Back up, back up.

03:09:52.060 Virtuous women of Proverbs 31.

03:09:53.520 Can you help me out?

03:09:55.080 How do I think about women?

03:09:56.260 By saying that there's going to be a physical metric for attractiveness, how is it that

03:10:00.740 I'm in any way deviating from any type of Christian virtue?

03:10:04.420 Tell me.

03:10:05.740 I mean, you never-

03:10:06.580 The way you're talking about women, the way you're talking about how-

03:10:10.400 You're talking about fertility being the standpoint rather than-

03:10:12.560 A woman's value.

03:10:13.380 For attractiveness, yes.

03:10:15.140 Yeah, but Proverbs 31 mentions a whole list of things as opposed to simply just fertility.

03:10:19.800 So God says, and man, a man wrote that book.

03:10:23.360 We're strictly talking about physical attractiveness and that's it.

03:10:27.180 But that's not what men decide.

03:10:30.060 Well, at least my father never told me that that's all that he makes the decision on when

03:10:33.980 he's talking about a woman.

03:10:35.260 I think what he's saying is that say that there are two women that both fulfill the Proverbs

03:10:40.080 31 things, but one is less physically attractive and one is more physically attractive, which

03:10:46.520 would the man go with?

03:10:48.040 Say he wasn't married or anything.

03:10:49.440 I can't say that he'd pick the 10 because I don't know what the 10 looks like and I don't

03:10:52.560 know what the 4 looks like.

03:10:53.480 I don't know what the preference is.

03:10:54.540 The 10 would be a 4.

03:10:55.020 I know.

03:10:55.340 Physical attraction means nothing.

03:10:56.200 You should talk to someone ungodly like me.

03:10:57.740 We're not saying it's nothing.

03:10:58.140 Physical attraction means nothing.

03:10:59.580 We're not saying it means nothing.

03:10:59.860 All that matters is what the virtues are.

03:11:02.220 We all go get 9,000 pound water.

03:11:04.040 You know what I mean?

03:11:04.460 It's just crazy.

03:11:05.440 We're talking specifically about physical attraction.

03:11:08.680 Of course, it's going to be tied to fertility.

03:11:10.500 Of course, it's going to be tied to fertility.

03:11:12.080 Why wouldn't it be?

03:11:12.900 You're asking me to think like a man.

03:11:14.420 No, I'm not.

03:11:15.180 I'm asking you.

03:11:16.340 Females are highly competitive with other women when it comes to mate selection.

03:11:19.500 No, but that doesn't mean that I know what a man's going to prefer mentally and you're

03:11:21.720 asking me to answer a question like a man.

03:11:23.640 What one would a man prefer?

03:11:25.020 How would I know that?

03:11:25.620 I'm a female.

03:11:26.600 Do you have to compete with other females for virtuous men?

03:11:31.100 Maybe, but I'm a female.

03:11:31.840 Yeah, maybe.

03:11:32.620 I think like a woman.

03:11:33.580 And how would you compete?

03:11:34.640 I know what a man wants because my father told me.

03:11:36.800 How would you compete with other women for a virtuous man?

03:11:39.460 I would ask my father what a man would want.

03:11:41.020 And what do you think your father would say?

03:11:42.520 Do you think your father would say, well, looking like shit would be the best thing

03:11:45.560 you could do?

03:11:46.180 No, that's obviously not.

03:11:46.940 No, obviously not.

03:11:48.740 But that doesn't mean that.

03:11:50.400 All I'm saying is it's not like the only thing, but you can't sit here and ask a group

03:11:54.020 of women.

03:11:54.120 Nobody said it's the only thing.

03:11:55.340 How a man thinks is the best thing.

03:11:57.640 They're not going to.

03:11:58.320 You're not going to get that response out of them.

03:11:59.820 There's a group of women like they're not going to be thinking.

03:12:03.160 Like women don't compete with each other.

03:12:04.860 But they do not think like men.

03:12:06.180 Do you think that we don't ask us to think like men?

03:12:06.780 Okay, but what's your point?

03:12:08.060 Because I agree with your argument, okay?

03:12:11.020 Fertility plays a part in sexual attractiveness, whatever.

03:12:13.840 What's the point?

03:12:15.060 The whole point of this was just to state that, yes, we understand that there's virtues

03:12:19.260 that men are after.

03:12:20.260 Of course that's true.

03:12:21.380 There's virtues that women should be after.

03:12:23.140 But nowadays it seems like less and less.

03:12:25.600 But men, I think, are attracted to virtue.

03:12:28.960 I think that that is a big role.

03:12:30.800 But if we were to take...

03:12:31.700 Have you seen the rise of OnlyFans?

03:12:33.380 It's pretty bad.

03:12:34.280 Yeah.

03:12:34.520 But if we were to take virtue...

03:12:36.020 But women.

03:12:36.460 If we were to take virtue out...

03:12:37.840 If we were to take virtue out of the equation and just look at the pure physical and just

03:12:43.660 look at physical attractiveness.

03:12:45.480 We're not looking at all the virtues, this and that, just whatever is aesthetically pleasing.

03:12:49.820 That's all we're talking about.

03:12:51.260 Physical attractiveness.

03:12:52.520 I mean, at the end of the day, any human being is going to value aesthetics.

03:12:58.140 You're going to choose the better looking car.

03:13:00.380 The car might have the same engines.

03:13:03.280 It might do the same exact thing.

03:13:04.600 But are you going to choose the one that's all scratched up?

03:13:06.760 Or are you going to choose the brand new shiny one?

03:13:08.460 At the end of the day, you want a pretty rock over a cracked up one.

03:13:12.840 So if you're asking that, it's just human nature to like something that's visually pleasing.

03:13:17.420 Well, this is why I think when this question is asked of women in particular, when they

03:13:22.960 refuse to give a rating, it's because they don't want to be honest.

03:13:26.500 And so what they do is they reframe every way that they can.

03:13:29.760 But what about this quality, this quality, that quality, that quality?

03:13:32.380 And it's like, look, just talking about physical attractiveness in and of itself.

03:13:37.580 I understand there's other qualities and maybe even combining those with physical

03:13:41.480 attraction may raise it a point, lower it a point.

03:13:43.580 But I think people still, when it comes to physical attractiveness, it's still tied to

03:13:48.100 fertility.

03:13:49.020 That's why men are attracted to younger women.

03:13:51.100 Why wouldn't that be the case?

03:13:52.200 It makes complete sense.

03:13:53.660 So I don't understand why women are incapable of rating themselves unless they just don't

03:13:57.220 want to give the answer.

03:13:58.080 Because it's a matter of how, what do the men perceive as beautiful or attractive?

03:14:05.320 And that can vary from man to man.

03:14:07.380 And then like, like Keisha was saying, you're asking us to kind of think along those lines.

03:14:12.100 I don't think women are ignorant to this.

03:14:13.460 I think that women have a different probably standard for what they think is beautiful and

03:14:17.060 attractive versus men.

03:14:19.060 Like I think that women would, your skin would probably judge aesthetics and maybe men might

03:14:24.220 judge fertility signs.

03:14:26.280 You would have to look at the standard on both edges, right?

03:14:28.660 So for you to perceive the beauty of women, there's no way for you to say that you wouldn't

03:14:33.960 be influenced on how men perceive women.

03:14:36.260 I don't see how that's...

03:14:37.580 Yes, I would be influenced.

03:14:37.960 Yeah, of course you would.

03:14:38.840 So I don't think women are ignorant of this.

03:14:41.600 Asking a woman to delineate that information is asking her to behave like a feminist.

03:14:46.280 I'm just saying that I think most women...

03:14:47.920 You're asking her to be a feminist right now.

03:14:49.740 I'm not asking her to be a feminist.

03:14:50.380 Yes, because asking her to delineate the information that a man would tell a woman is asking her to

03:14:55.200 be a feminist and think like a feminist.

03:14:57.300 A woman is not going to assess herself...

03:14:58.980 No, feminism doesn't mean can't think.

03:15:00.440 A woman is not going to assess herself the way that a man assesses a woman.

03:15:03.900 Didn't ask him to.

03:15:04.660 You just asked her.

03:15:05.800 No, I asked her to rate herself based on what she thinks.

03:15:09.920 Okay, then.

03:15:10.440 That would be the opposite of what I'm asking her what men think.

03:15:14.700 I'm saying that men have standards.

03:15:16.300 Okay.

03:15:16.680 Yes, we know men have standards.

03:15:18.240 Okay, but they're not going to...

03:15:19.200 Because men have standards, that is going to inform your opinion on how you rate yourself.

03:15:23.120 But they're not going to think of it the way that a man would.

03:15:25.600 So you asking her to rate herself...

03:15:28.120 Based on what she thinks.

03:15:29.360 Okay, herself.

03:15:30.240 That's different than to what a man thinks.

03:15:31.840 Yes, I know, which is why we asked her that.

03:15:33.960 I mean, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, like at the end of the day.

03:15:36.960 Right.

03:15:37.280 It is.

03:15:37.820 So you can say you're a 10, you can say you're a 1.

03:15:40.860 It doesn't really matter because everybody has a different view on it.

03:15:45.320 So at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

03:15:46.540 So the question that you're asking is, it just doesn't matter in our minds.

03:15:49.520 Yeah, women, it does not matter.

03:15:50.960 One guy could rate a girl as a 7, and another guy could rate her as an 8, and another guy

03:15:55.800 could rate her as a 2, and another guy could rate her as a 9, and it depends on what that

03:16:01.060 guy finds attractive.

03:16:02.680 But wasn't it asking what we thought of ourselves?

03:16:04.920 Yes.

03:16:05.500 Yes.

03:16:05.800 I mean, I think it's to gauge...

03:16:06.720 Yeah, but then for him to say that it's not realistic in the eyes of men, so the point

03:16:11.140 is going to come back.

03:16:11.460 No, I'm just saying that your self-assessment will be informed also by men.

03:16:14.940 That's the point.

03:16:15.380 And I think it also shows, are you affected by delusion?

03:16:18.220 Yes.

03:16:18.580 Yes.

03:16:19.100 Yes.

03:16:20.880 To just pretend it does not exist, and that, oh, I can't believe...

03:16:23.520 Well, no one said it didn't exist.

03:16:24.940 I don't know.

03:16:25.180 That's not the point.

03:16:25.860 No, no, no, no.

03:16:26.320 But when people hyper-conflate their looks, well, then they would also expect to possibly

03:16:33.540 match with somebody who they think are their equivalent.

03:16:37.740 But if you're honest with yourself, then you're going to match yourself and not have this hyper-conflated

03:16:42.700 idea of what you're going to go after.

03:16:45.400 That's understandable.

03:16:46.440 I agree with that.

03:16:46.880 So that's why they're trying to just gauge a sense of delusion.

03:16:50.240 Yeah, I understand that.

03:16:51.240 Yeah.

03:16:51.400 But there was a mention of a man's perspective, and that's all that I said was not possible.

03:16:56.240 No, no.

03:16:56.420 The mention of a man's perspective was to say how you end up ultimately determining what

03:17:02.800 your value is, one through ten.

03:17:04.780 And it's arbitrary.

03:17:05.720 Nobody says it's not.

03:17:06.660 Is it at least somewhat going to be informed and how the opposite sex perceives you and

03:17:10.860 what you've witnessed the opposite sex considering to be attractive or unattractive?

03:17:15.020 That's what's going to be true because that's how information in your brain works.

03:17:19.060 Internalized male gaze as said by someone on the right.

03:17:22.200 No, that's not an internalized.

03:17:23.500 Yeah, it is.

03:17:23.960 You just argued that we look at ourselves through the male gaze.

03:17:26.400 I'm saying that we look at...

03:17:27.860 No, I didn't.

03:17:28.800 Yes, you did.

03:17:29.320 You said how do you know you're attractive if you don't use the men's...

03:17:31.260 I said it can assist you in making an informed self-assessment.

03:17:34.600 Okay, it can assist you.

03:17:35.160 So it's there.

03:17:35.340 But the same would be true the opposite way.

03:17:37.120 So is that an informed female gaze?

03:17:38.700 Yeah.

03:17:39.220 Okay, so then...

03:17:39.920 There's a female gaze too.

03:17:40.700 Okay, so then if that's the case, then we're talking about nothing.

03:17:43.560 We're just talking about objective reality.

03:17:45.260 I know, but some people argue that the male gaze doesn't exist, so...

03:17:48.880 Well, it depends on how you're defining it.

03:17:50.240 If you just define what the male gaze is as...

03:17:53.120 You have concurred with me that women have an internalized perception of what men think about.

03:17:56.840 Well, it's going to help inform it.

03:17:58.100 There's no way around it.

03:17:58.760 You know, earlier when you asked me what disadvantages me when I'm born a woman?

03:18:02.440 That.

03:18:03.360 Okay, but...

03:18:03.880 Instantaneous.

03:18:04.440 I have to wake up in the morning and do my makeup and get pretty.

03:18:06.660 Did you just say men...

03:18:07.360 Because I have an internalized man inside me.

03:18:08.320 You just said that men suffer from the same thing, which means that, again, you just negated

03:18:13.000 your own point.

03:18:13.560 Yeah, but the one for men, men value fertility much higher than women do.

03:18:17.680 So what?

03:18:17.780 Do you see men doing their makeup in the morning so they look more first?

03:18:20.240 But women...

03:18:20.920 Yeah.

03:18:21.300 No, they don't.

03:18:21.680 Women do because the internalized male gaze is way stronger than the internalized female gaze.

03:18:25.640 How can you...

03:18:25.660 Let's prove it.

03:18:26.760 I just did.

03:18:27.360 How?

03:18:27.860 Women do makeup.

03:18:28.700 Women dress way nicer.

03:18:29.760 Women do their nails.

03:18:30.300 And men wear nice clothes and they try to get high status and they try to get tons and

03:18:33.240 tons of money and they try to do all those things.

03:18:35.100 Yeah, but that's the female gaze is money and there are so many...

03:18:37.340 So what?

03:18:37.560 So I don't understand how it's not moot.

03:18:39.200 Listen to this.

03:18:39.680 Because of the feminist movement these days, women will go for ugly, broke men, but men are not

03:18:45.480 going for ugly women, obviously.

03:18:47.780 Women are going for ugly, broke men.

03:18:50.720 What women are out there going for ugly, broke men?

03:18:53.600 Almost none.

03:18:54.640 The ones with no dads.

03:18:55.620 That's not what this dad...

03:18:56.540 Like you?

03:18:57.060 So you go for ugly, broke men?

03:18:58.420 For real, yeah.

03:18:59.280 My ex?

03:18:59.900 My ex?

03:19:00.580 Yeah.

03:19:00.820 I'm not ashamed of me, but what I'm saying, my point was, as someone on the right, you

03:19:06.580 admit that women have a male gaze inside of them.

03:19:09.520 They can see how men do that.

03:19:11.760 What I'm saying is that every human being...

03:19:15.160 That internalization is already a negative effect on my daily life.

03:19:17.580 What I'm saying is that every human being who exists, regardless of where they're at

03:19:21.940 in the world, if there's other human beings who are around them, it's going to inform their

03:19:25.100 opinion of themselves and their opinion of the surrounding environments.

03:19:28.140 One of them is the full standards of the male gender.

03:19:30.680 That's...

03:19:31.000 But that would be true the opposite way, too, which would make you a misandrist.

03:19:34.780 No, it is true the opposite way, but I'm saying that the male standards are so much

03:19:38.320 higher than the female standards.

03:19:39.720 Prove that.

03:19:40.480 I will say...

03:19:40.900 That's where you really deviate.

03:19:42.700 Where's the proof for that claim?

03:19:44.340 Okay.

03:19:44.680 I will say that a lot of male standards...

03:19:46.480 No, no, no.

03:19:46.980 Where's the proof to that claim?

03:19:48.480 I'd like to hear her speak.

03:19:49.400 I will say that a lot of male standards are very looks-based because the fertility importance

03:19:55.800 is much higher in women, because they're the ones that are carrying a child.

03:19:59.800 And so when that sort of standard lapses, as they get older and everything, then it's like,

03:20:06.900 okay, my value, just boom.

03:20:09.080 But men...

03:20:09.660 Because it does go boom.

03:20:11.380 Exactly.

03:20:11.880 Yeah, and for men, it doesn't.

03:20:13.460 For men, it doesn't because...

03:20:15.860 Yeah, but it's a trade-off because in younger ages for men, it's often...

03:20:20.620 Yeah, they don't have as much power in order to attract their mate.

03:20:23.840 So it's a trade-off both ways.

03:20:25.860 So to say that it's more keen in one than the other, you'd have to demonstrate that to me.

03:20:29.340 It's just, I think it's...

03:20:30.280 Okay, and you'd have to demonstrate it to me the opposite way.

03:20:32.640 I think it is more confining when it's just...

03:20:34.600 I actually wouldn't need to falsify it.

03:20:39.260 I would just negate it.

03:20:40.000 Do you think that men only pick women to be with or marry based on how high they are on that one through ten numbering system?

03:20:50.120 No.

03:20:50.220 So why is that so important in this topic?

03:20:54.680 Because I suspect that men who enter into matrimony with a woman want to have children, and in order to do that, they have to be able to perform in the bedroom.

03:21:06.720 And in order to do that, they have to have some semblance of attraction to the person they're having sex with.

03:21:11.060 Do you agree or disagree?

03:21:12.840 Well, yeah.

03:21:13.580 Well, yeah.

03:21:14.640 So I don't understand why you asked the question.

03:21:16.740 Everyone is, but we're not talking about every...

03:21:18.160 Like, every guy isn't going to marry a ten.

03:21:20.560 Every girl isn't going to marry a ten.

03:21:21.520 Most guys are never going to marry a ten, and most women are not tens to marry, so...

03:21:26.480 Okay.

03:21:26.860 So why use that value?

03:21:30.020 If that's not the only thing that people are going to judge when they're choosing a life partner, why is that so important?

03:21:36.940 And we're not saying that's the only value.

03:21:38.860 Okay.

03:21:39.160 We're asking specifically only on the one criteria of the physical.

03:21:44.280 We're not saying that other values don't exist.

03:21:46.580 Tens of thousands of other values exist.

03:21:49.040 All sorts of little nuances and niches exist for different behaviors that you're interested in.

03:21:54.720 We're purely talking about physical attractiveness.

03:21:56.100 I want you to rate your wife one to ten, then.

03:21:59.640 Okay.

03:22:00.120 As soon as you rate your husband one to ten.

03:22:02.040 No.

03:22:02.320 Rate your wife.

03:22:02.840 As soon as you rate your husband.

03:22:03.800 You went around...

03:22:04.620 Hold on.

03:22:05.060 You didn't want her to answer questions in your room.

03:22:06.920 You're going to answer the question.

03:22:07.480 Answer the question.

03:22:08.360 You went around, and you want all these women to rate themselves, right?

03:22:12.300 So rate your wife.

03:22:13.220 On pure physical attractiveness at her age, my wife is about six.

03:22:18.440 Now rate your husband.

03:22:19.520 I would...

03:22:20.320 Do it.

03:22:22.520 Your turn.

03:22:23.180 I don't...

03:22:23.700 Yeah, I don't...

03:22:24.600 That's right.

03:22:25.480 No, I told you I don't use a number of...

03:22:27.080 Distinction between honesty and a liar, ladies and gentlemen.

03:22:31.620 Rate him physically on physical attraction.

03:22:33.200 Yes, physically only.

03:22:35.040 Not on my attraction.

03:22:36.720 That's what the rating scale is.

03:22:39.780 Do it.

03:22:40.900 I just did.

03:22:41.940 Do it.

03:22:42.940 You can't do it.

03:22:46.400 I'm not doing that.

03:22:47.260 Yeah, that's right.

03:22:48.280 You're not fucking doing it.

03:22:49.280 It's disrespectful.

03:22:49.740 Totally dishonest.

03:22:51.020 No.

03:22:51.320 Demands it from me.

03:22:52.580 Refuses to say it herself.

03:22:53.220 Because you're the one setting the standard.

03:22:55.020 My wife's literally watching it, guarantee you she's not upset at all, but you can't answer

03:22:59.240 the question honestly.

03:23:00.080 No, because I think it's a disrespectful question.

03:23:01.660 Why?

03:23:02.820 Because I think it's...

03:23:03.660 Because it's true?

03:23:04.440 That's her own values.

03:23:05.500 If she doesn't want to answer, she doesn't want to answer.

03:23:06.660 Right.

03:23:06.960 But demands that the other person does.

03:23:08.940 Yeah, because you're the one saying...

03:23:11.240 You're the one asking a table full of women to rate themselves.

03:23:14.480 So wait a second.

03:23:16.880 I'm asking a table full of women to make a self-assessment based on pure physical qualities.

03:23:22.140 Right.

03:23:22.520 And you say this is an impossibility to begin with.

03:23:24.740 Okay, well, granted.

03:23:25.860 Then you said, fine.

03:23:26.960 I'll call you out.

03:23:28.060 Rate your wife.

03:23:28.800 Okay, I did.

03:23:29.700 Rate your husband.

03:23:30.700 No.

03:23:31.520 No, I'm not going to rate it.

03:23:32.220 It's fucking pathetic.

03:23:33.380 It's not pathetic.

03:23:34.020 That is pathetic.

03:23:34.560 I think it's disrespectful.

03:23:35.920 So I would be a hypocrite to then rate him on a number system of one through ten.

03:23:39.080 You're a hypocrite now because you made the demand you yourself won't fulfill.

03:23:42.640 Right, because my point is it's disrespectful.

03:23:45.240 And I think the fact that you are rating your wife even with that is kind of disrespectful

03:23:49.660 to her.

03:23:49.700 You know why is it disrespectful?

03:23:51.280 How do you think she rates herself?

03:23:52.860 Maybe she rated herself this way 15 times and I'm using her rating.

03:23:56.680 Well, I think that's sad.

03:23:57.780 Why?

03:23:58.800 Because you should probably rate her a ten.

03:24:00.520 She's your wife.

03:24:00.780 What do you rate yourself?

03:24:01.880 Because you ain't as good looking as she is, honey.

03:24:04.700 Okay, well, that's fine.

03:24:06.480 I'm just saying.

03:24:07.520 That's your opinion.

03:24:09.800 That's not necessary.

03:24:10.740 It is necessary.

03:24:12.040 Well, no.

03:24:12.640 This is exactly why I said the question of rating yourself was from a mass perspective.

03:24:19.880 A woman's not going to answer the way that you want her to because in the end, the conclusion

03:24:23.260 that you're coming to is not what they're calculating.

03:24:25.520 So it's already an unfair.

03:24:27.260 It's not unfair.

03:24:27.960 It is unfair.

03:24:28.740 Then how come men can make those self-assessments then?

03:24:31.880 No, I'm not talking about because what you're asking right now, the line of questioning

03:24:36.000 that you're going down, the end result is completely different to what is being discussed amongst

03:24:41.420 the ones that the women that are answering.

03:24:43.360 And even what you mentioned coming down to, oh, the delusion or whatever.

03:24:47.580 It's like, that's not what they're even thinking about.

03:24:50.040 The question is not.

03:24:50.660 Who's not thinking about that?

03:24:51.800 The women answering when they're like, oh, what are you rating yourself?

03:24:54.280 They're not thinking about, oh, well, am I delusional?

03:24:56.540 You just ask, what do you rate yourself?

03:24:58.280 No, because they are delusional.

03:24:58.540 So of course I'm not thinking about that.

03:24:59.640 And I'm not, I'm not.

03:25:01.280 Hey, I said four.

03:25:02.380 I could care less.

03:25:03.780 But the fact is.

03:25:04.140 I am a four.

03:25:05.100 So if you get a six, that's going up, right?

03:25:07.060 That's good.

03:25:07.720 Yeah, but the fact is, what you're looking the answer for, they're not, they're clearly

03:25:12.820 not thinking.

03:25:13.680 And what's being displayed very clearly here is chess versus checkers.

03:25:17.680 Just like I said at the beginning, you're, the outcome that you're looking for is not

03:25:21.520 what's understood in the initial questioning or the response.

03:25:23.780 What outcome am I looking for?

03:25:24.500 Well, what you mentioned about, you know, the delusions and, you know.

03:25:29.380 No, I'm saying that that's why they asked that question.

03:25:31.140 I understand that's why they asked the question.

03:25:32.820 I'm not looking for anything.

03:25:33.100 I just answered the question.

03:25:34.160 No, but.

03:25:34.340 I wasn't posing the question.

03:25:34.900 It was a correct, it was a correct answer.

03:25:36.580 I understand that's where it was going, but I'm saying that that's not what's understood

03:25:40.700 in a woman's mind.

03:25:41.460 When you ask, what are you rating yourself and why?

03:25:44.060 That's not what it, that's, that's exactly what I'm saying.

03:25:46.300 But I don't, I don't, so this is, this is nonsense.

03:25:49.080 That's the point.

03:25:49.820 The whole argument here is nonsense.

03:25:51.340 No, it's not.

03:25:52.680 You're, what you're saying the argument is, is nonsense.

03:25:55.480 No, because it's.

03:25:56.400 Tell me, what could possibly bar you from giving a self, self-assessment on what you think

03:26:02.460 your rating is for attractiveness?

03:26:04.440 That would be different than the outcome that you're.

03:26:07.500 Yeah, I know.

03:26:09.220 That's, that's a distinction with no merit.

03:26:11.400 What's barring you.

03:26:12.340 Everyone gave an answer.

03:26:13.160 What's barring, no, they didn't.

03:26:14.440 But what's barring you from giving an assessment of your own personal attractiveness?

03:26:18.120 Nothing.

03:26:18.800 Everyone gave an assessment of their personal attractiveness.

03:26:21.320 Save Millie, I think.

03:26:22.380 Yeah, so, so then everybody, so then that would not be everybody then?

03:26:25.840 Okay, except for Millie.

03:26:27.340 Yeah, except for the person who didn't, who you said it's impossible for her to do it.

03:26:31.040 I never said it's impossible for her to, I never said it's impossible for her to rate

03:26:35.480 herself.

03:26:35.720 I said, let the men decide.

03:26:36.460 I said the outcome they're looking for at the end of the whole line of questioning is

03:26:40.720 not where their mind's going to go.

03:26:42.000 So ultimately, at the end of the day, every answer is going to seem delusional.

03:26:46.020 They're not looking at what they're looking at.

03:26:46.960 They don't all seem delusional.

03:26:48.600 Well, a lot of the times it does.

03:26:50.860 What does that have to do with anything?

03:26:52.900 Just like I said, it's not the same line of thinking.

03:26:55.520 It is the same line of thinking.

03:26:56.980 It's not the same line of thinking.

03:26:58.100 What's the distinction between a man giving a self-assessment and a woman giving a self-assessment?

03:27:02.080 The reason is different.

03:27:03.100 What is the reason?

03:27:04.420 Well, your reason, you're talking about the fertility and the physicality or whatever,

03:27:08.960 like being attractive and things like that.

03:27:10.640 The same reasoning that women would have.

03:27:13.100 Actually, that's not what was said earlier.

03:27:15.580 No, no, no, no.

03:27:16.660 What's being said is they try to displace the actual question and say, I'm going to go for everything

03:27:21.440 except what is physical.

03:27:23.800 Women don't think like that.

03:27:25.800 No, they do think like that.

03:27:27.160 One thing women do think like is how attractive am I?

03:27:30.100 Yes, they do.

03:27:30.740 That's not what I'm talking about, though.

03:27:32.320 That's not how they...

03:27:32.580 It is what you're talking about.

03:27:33.880 No, because...

03:27:35.560 No, that is not what I'm talking about.

03:27:36.540 Then what are you talking about?

03:27:37.940 That's not how they gauge attractiveness.

03:27:40.320 A lot of women will gauge attractiveness based on how they feel or what they think benefits

03:27:46.980 them emotionally or mentally or whatever.

03:27:49.200 It's not just physicality.

03:27:51.880 Like...

03:27:52.240 Yes, but we're asking the question of pure physicality.

03:27:54.720 And I don't think that women are so irrational.

03:27:56.520 They can't answer the question based on that.

03:27:58.180 That has nothing to do with irrationality.

03:28:00.180 And everybody answered, like I said, except for Millie.

03:28:02.540 What I'm saying is the end result that you're looking for is not the same.

03:28:05.120 And do you think you were accurate?

03:28:06.000 Do you think you were accurate in your assessment?

03:28:08.260 That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

03:28:09.520 Well, it has something to do with what I'm saying.

03:28:10.900 Do you think you were accurate with your assessment?

03:28:12.300 You're deflecting from what I'm talking about.

03:28:13.200 I'm not deflecting at all.

03:28:14.120 I'm asking a direct question.

03:28:15.340 It has nothing to do with the initial question.

03:28:16.420 Do you think your assessment was accurate?

03:28:19.720 I'm not a man.

03:28:20.420 I don't know how a man would rate me.

03:28:22.200 You can ask your audience.

03:28:23.120 I don't care.

03:28:23.760 It has nothing to do with...

03:28:24.180 So you don't know?

03:28:25.320 I said four.

03:28:26.120 I stand by four.

03:28:26.980 I don't care.

03:28:27.500 And do you think it's accurate?

03:28:29.200 It doesn't matter if I think it's accurate or not.

03:28:31.440 A man might agree.

03:28:32.240 A man might disagree.

03:28:32.260 Why would you give a number if you don't think it's accurate?

03:28:35.940 That's not what I said.

03:28:37.040 I said...

03:28:37.540 That is what you said.

03:28:38.680 I gave a four.

03:28:39.380 I stand by four.

03:28:40.300 I said if a man agrees, I'm not going to...

03:28:42.980 I don't know if a man's going to agree or not.

03:28:44.860 He might agree.

03:28:45.460 He might not agree.

03:28:46.200 But you gave the number.

03:28:47.820 So clearly you think the number's accurate, right?

03:28:50.160 I said four.

03:28:51.100 Do you think that's accurate?

03:28:53.040 I said what I said.

03:28:53.280 Because if you don't think it's accurate, why would you give the number?

03:28:56.340 I said what I said.

03:28:56.660 Would you rather she not give one at all?

03:28:58.200 I don't get it.

03:28:59.400 I don't actually understand the conversation at this point.

03:29:01.900 I said, no, you're deflecting from the initial point here, which is that you asked a question

03:29:05.500 that you know women will answer differently based on how they feel and are going in a

03:29:11.300 completely different direction in the end about something completely different that

03:29:14.960 men portray in a different way mentally.

03:29:16.720 Yeah, but the question becomes, is it because they're being honest or not?

03:29:20.760 Or if it's really because they're just irrational like you're claiming?

03:29:23.660 It's a completely different line of thinking.

03:29:25.320 And it doesn't matter if...

03:29:26.280 Nobody says that they're not thinking about it along different lines, but that doesn't

03:29:29.160 mean that they're still not being dishonest or they're being honest.

03:29:32.100 How are they being dishonest about what they feel?

03:29:33.840 Because I've seen 250-pound fat, obese whales sitting right there saying they're tense.

03:29:39.200 Is anybody here 250 pounds?

03:29:41.120 Again, and now you're deflecting.

03:29:43.300 No, but that just goes to show...

03:29:44.700 Are there any of the women here right now?

03:29:46.200 That just goes to show how pointless the question is.

03:29:48.600 I don't think he's talking about you, Renee.

03:29:49.640 I'm saying I've seen those women do that, and clearly they're being dishonest, and when

03:29:54.620 questioned, it's obvious they're being dishonest.

03:29:57.080 That's why.

03:29:57.680 Okay, but we're...

03:29:58.760 Yeah.

03:29:59.000 So you're basing our argument right now based on previous assessments of other...

03:30:02.840 Are you asking them of our opinion of ourselves or men appearing?

03:30:07.700 It's an empirical question.

03:30:08.320 See, no, this is the contradictions.

03:30:10.700 Tell us the problem.

03:30:11.860 No, but then he just said that you're being dishonest.

03:30:14.840 No, I didn't say you're being dishonest.

03:30:15.980 No, no, you did.

03:30:16.880 You literally said...

03:30:17.480 No, I didn't.

03:30:18.180 No, you said...

03:30:18.580 Literally never said anybody's being dishonest.

03:30:19.980 A woman sitting there looking like a whale, rating herself 10, and you're saying she's being

03:30:24.280 dishonest.

03:30:24.840 We...

03:30:25.160 Through inquiry, I said through inquiry, we discovered she was being dishonest.

03:30:29.080 Yes.

03:30:29.200 Okay.

03:30:29.980 Okay.

03:30:30.520 What do you mean by through inquiry?

03:30:32.420 Like, I asked a bunch of questions, and she answered them, and came to the conclusion she

03:30:35.780 was being dishonest.

03:30:36.620 He inquired.

03:30:37.100 So she was the one who said, oh, no, I'm not valued.

03:30:40.660 He inquired.

03:30:40.920 Yeah.

03:30:41.240 Well, she literally said...

03:30:42.540 There was an inquisition.

03:30:43.140 She said, okay, physically, yes, it's true, I'm blah, right?

03:30:47.460 But emotionally, I'm a 10, or metaphysically, I'm a 10, or whatever.

03:30:52.400 Yes, through inquiry.

03:30:54.180 Inquisition.

03:30:55.080 It was discovered that she was not being very honest.

03:30:58.900 Yes.

03:30:58.980 Well, that's a...

03:30:59.940 I think that men are going to be the best judges of how attractive they find women at

03:31:05.540 the end of the day.

03:31:06.220 Okay.

03:31:06.460 Well, we got a chat here from Alex.

03:31:08.960 Alex says, I enjoy your Christian views.

03:31:12.100 Oh, hey, AB check.

03:31:13.280 Thank you for the gifted 20 memberships.

03:31:16.320 Appreciate it, man.

03:31:17.680 Andrew, but you lose me when you start acting petty, ignorant, and belittling of these women

03:31:23.480 if you want your message to be heard.

03:31:26.280 Is this tone policing?

03:31:27.560 I don't know.

03:31:27.740 The delivery is matters.

03:31:29.980 Stop simping, Alex.

03:31:30.740 Dude, chill out.

03:31:32.020 Stop simping, Alex.

03:31:33.420 He has...

03:31:34.300 Is that Mary?

03:31:35.260 It's a room full of crazy feminists.

03:31:36.940 Let's see you do better.

03:31:38.940 I'm not a feminist.

03:31:39.640 Yes, you're a feminist.

03:31:40.580 I am absolutely not a feminist.

03:31:41.540 Oh, you absolutely are a feminist.

03:31:42.860 No, I'm not.

03:31:43.440 You're an egalitarian, vote-harder feminist libertarian.

03:31:46.660 I'm not a feminist.

03:31:47.120 Yes, you are.

03:31:48.100 I'm not a feminist.

03:31:48.760 Then what is feminism?

03:31:49.680 Wait, can I ask you a question?

03:31:50.780 Here, let's...

03:31:51.780 Are we having an argument?

03:31:53.400 I don't know, I'm not a feminist.

03:31:53.520 Sit there.

03:31:54.160 While we have the argument, go ahead.

03:31:55.440 You can find it.

03:31:56.240 I'm not a feminist.

03:31:57.740 Where did Natty go?

03:31:58.480 So, I'll agree with her definition.

03:32:00.780 Feminism is the movement towards...

03:32:02.660 I'm not a feminist.

03:32:03.680 Don't even go there.

03:32:04.620 You don't get to say what I am and I'm not.

03:32:06.900 I just did.

03:32:07.640 It's the movement towards egalitarianism between men and women inside society.

03:32:11.940 How do you delineate from that?

03:32:14.900 I have a question.

03:32:15.900 Do you think that...

03:32:16.560 No.

03:32:17.000 Okay.

03:32:17.520 Anyway, so back to this.

03:32:18.700 How do you delineate from that?

03:32:20.780 Anyway.

03:32:21.460 How do you delineate from that?

03:32:23.260 I'm not answering your question.

03:32:24.920 Yeah, that's right.

03:32:25.500 Because you literally just made a false claim against me that I'm a feminist and I'm not.

03:32:29.460 If you are a feminist, if you...

03:32:32.020 Okay, so I'll define feminism.

03:32:33.460 And you're a purple penguin.

03:32:34.000 I'll define feminism.

03:32:35.360 Penguin.

03:32:36.120 Yeah, I mean, he's just making things up so I can't...

03:32:38.300 Let's have the argument.

03:32:39.180 The delineation...

03:32:40.320 Or we'll allocate feminism this way.

03:32:41.840 Let's not bring aquatic animals into this conversation.

03:32:45.100 Go ahead, Andy.

03:32:45.440 A feminist and feminism is the movement towards the egalitarian equality of men and women.

03:32:54.560 How do you differ from a feminist?

03:32:57.200 Because I'm not.

03:32:58.260 I don't believe in feminism.

03:33:00.480 That doesn't tell me anything.

03:33:01.860 How do you differ from the movement of egalitarianism that's not antithetical to feminism?

03:33:09.160 Right, I'm not a feminist.

03:33:10.640 So how do you delineate from the movement of the egalitarianism between men and women?

03:33:17.900 If you think she's wrong, why don't you provide solutions?

03:33:20.360 Why don't you let us have the argument without interjecting?

03:33:23.420 Go ahead.

03:33:23.760 Because men provide solutions?

03:33:25.120 And women be silent while they do.

03:33:26.620 Go ahead.

03:33:27.680 Submit.

03:33:28.000 I've not heard you provide a single solution.

03:33:31.600 I think it's hilarious.

03:33:32.620 The solution is to...

03:33:34.120 Yeah, I did.

03:33:34.760 Multiple times.

03:33:35.520 I already said we should limit suffrage.

03:33:37.060 We should limit the women's right to vote.

03:33:38.780 We should do all sorts of different things.

03:33:40.360 I gave tons of solutions.

03:33:42.080 You just have a selective memory because you are interjecting, again, when there's an argument

03:33:47.500 that doesn't even include you.

03:33:49.140 Go ahead.

03:33:50.620 I'm not a feminist.

03:33:51.740 I just told you.

03:33:51.800 Okay, so how do you differ from this ideology?

03:33:54.280 You don't get to define what I am and am not.

03:33:55.980 I get to define what feminism is.

03:33:57.400 No, this isn't some gender-bender stuff where you get to pick and choose.

03:33:59.620 Then give me a definition of feminism.

03:34:01.160 What is it?

03:34:01.640 What I am.

03:34:02.760 Fine.

03:34:03.160 Then what is the definition of feminism and how do you differ from it?

03:34:05.460 I don't know because I'm not a feminist.

03:34:06.660 You don't?

03:34:07.700 I'm not a feminist.

03:34:08.880 Wait a second.

03:34:09.860 What's...

03:34:10.100 You cannot be able to know what a feminist is if you don't know the definition.

03:34:11.880 Is that a cup?

03:34:13.540 How do you know you're not a cup?

03:34:18.140 That makes no sense.

03:34:19.240 How do you differ from feminists in ideology if it's the movement towards the egalitarian equality

03:34:24.980 of men and women?

03:34:27.400 Yeah, it's just nothing.

03:34:30.820 I'm not a feminist.

03:34:32.000 I already told you.

03:34:32.280 Yeah, I know.

03:34:32.820 I don't believe...

03:34:33.440 I believe in traditional roles.

03:34:35.020 Mm-hmm.

03:34:35.560 Man and woman, marriage.

03:34:36.580 And if a transgender was sitting where you are, they would be like, I'm not a man.

03:34:40.560 I'm a woman.

03:34:40.980 No, that's not...

03:34:41.960 Look, it's not even the same.

03:34:43.680 I don't even understand how you're doing.

03:34:44.780 It is exactly the same.

03:34:45.620 So how do you delineate them?

03:34:46.860 You're just claiming I'm something.

03:34:48.000 Okay, so I'll just ask again so that I don't straw man any positions.

03:34:51.820 Do you agree that feminism is the movement of egalitarianism between men and women?

03:35:00.520 You're wrong because the goal of feminism is to reach full equality.

03:35:03.200 Not arguing with you one at a time, please.

03:35:05.380 Thank you.

03:35:07.780 Go ahead.

03:35:08.500 I still don't see how...

03:35:12.600 You are the one who made a claim.

03:35:15.540 Here's the thing.

03:35:16.540 You made a claim.

03:35:17.600 You are a feminist.

03:35:18.600 No.

03:35:18.880 Wait, wait.

03:35:19.340 Almost all of your talking points have been...

03:35:20.960 And I backed my claim up with the definition.

03:35:23.660 And said you don't delineate from the...

03:35:25.040 Okay, well then give me a counter definition how you delineate from it.

03:35:28.940 Just because you think a woman should be able to vote doesn't mean you're a feminist.

03:35:32.560 Okay, great.

03:35:33.960 Feminism, do you agree, is the movement of egalitarianism between men and women?

03:35:38.500 Or not?

03:35:40.040 I would say yes.

03:35:41.280 Okay, how do you delineate from that?

03:35:46.460 That's what I thought.

03:35:47.260 She wants the preservation of social norms for men and women.

03:35:49.980 That's what I thought.

03:35:50.720 And that is not what feminists want.

03:35:52.620 I do.

03:35:53.000 There's a little cigarette.

03:35:54.040 No, no, I think that...

03:35:56.140 Good Lord.

03:35:57.740 I think that for you to sit there and just claim I'm something I'm not is disrespectful.

03:36:01.560 You just did.

03:36:02.600 I just said, is that the definition?

03:36:04.700 You said yes.

03:36:05.440 I said, how do you delineate?

03:36:06.800 Nothing.

03:36:07.160 Yeah, because you didn't give me a chance to respond.

03:36:09.580 Okay, I'll give you a chance.

03:36:10.420 You didn't give me a chance to respond.

03:36:11.340 Okay, I'm giving you a chance.

03:36:12.400 Okay, because you don't know all of my belief sets.

03:36:15.340 Okay, give me the belief set that delineates from that.

03:36:17.300 On marriage, on gender roles, on the role of a man and a woman in relationships.

03:36:19.920 Still waiting for the belief delineation.

03:36:21.760 What is it?

03:36:22.200 Okay.

03:36:24.460 What?

03:36:25.080 Waiting for that delineation from feminism.

03:36:27.800 What is it?

03:36:28.200 He's asking you how you deviate from that.

03:36:29.760 How do I deviate from feminism?

03:36:31.420 Yeah.

03:36:31.580 Okay, well, I believe that women should be mothers and prioritize a motherhood role over

03:36:40.880 a career, and that's one thing I think that feminists would probably disagree with.

03:36:45.940 Okay, but you would also agree that there's many feminists who would agree that that's

03:36:50.080 just fine if the mothers want to prioritize that?

03:36:51.880 Maybe.

03:36:52.580 Yeah, okay.

03:36:53.040 Okay, so what actually delineates your ideology from the feminist ideology of egalitarianism?

03:37:00.880 That women should submit to their husbands.

03:37:03.860 That women should submit to their husbands.

03:37:05.640 Mm-hmm.

03:37:06.240 Okay, and are they-

03:37:07.200 If their husbands submit first to God.

03:37:09.440 Okay.

03:37:10.100 Mm-hmm.

03:37:10.400 So maybe there's, if that's true, and we'll get into that next, now this is more interesting.

03:37:16.380 So when you say submission, what do you mean?

03:37:19.160 They should submit to their husbands.

03:37:21.460 What does that mean?

03:37:22.140 Like, they should trust their husband's judgment in the home, and basically, to a certain degree,

03:37:31.580 they should trust his judgment and allow him to make some of the decisions, but I think

03:37:36.960 that it kind of becomes one of those things where it's not that the woman doesn't have

03:37:40.820 a say, but it's that they should submit to the husband.

03:37:44.620 What if he says, no, you have no say?

03:37:48.440 Okay.

03:37:52.140 Well, I guess the thing you'd have to think about is, is his decision-making in line with

03:37:59.460 God's, with what God says and what the Bible says.

03:38:03.580 Well, the Bible says to submit to him.

03:38:05.200 If it's something that would be-

03:38:06.200 That's what it says, right?

03:38:07.180 Well, here's an example.

03:38:08.660 If your husband said that you should go and, say, do it on OnlyFans, right?

03:38:15.000 Would you say that a woman should submit to that?

03:38:18.400 Well, that wouldn't be an actual Christian marriage at that point, right?

03:38:21.500 Right.

03:38:21.780 So at that point, he would be deviating from what God's law is, so a woman should not, in

03:38:26.740 that case, submit.

03:38:27.700 Well, if you're in a Christian marriage, though, he's a Christian, you're a Christian.

03:38:30.360 Right.

03:38:30.600 He's not going to be asking you to do OnlyFans.

03:38:32.300 Right.

03:38:32.740 Okay, so should you submit, even if he-

03:38:35.240 As long as what he's saying is in line with God, yes.

03:38:37.840 Well, let's say he says-

03:38:38.580 Absolutely.

03:38:38.900 With the Bible, with teaching, absolutely.

03:38:40.500 Let's say he says something like this.

03:38:41.780 Let's say he comes to you, and you guys are discussing finances, and he goes, actually,

03:38:46.900 we're just going to do everything this way, and I don't give a shit what you have

03:38:50.100 to say about it, and I'm emptying out your account tomorrow, and I'm going to do what

03:38:53.260 I want with the money, and you need to just deal with it.

03:38:55.400 Are you going to just shut up and take that?

03:38:56.800 Um, he, I already let my husband do what he wants with my account, so.

03:39:03.800 Right now, do you have your own account?

03:39:05.840 It's a joint.

03:39:06.580 He's on it, and he does whatever he wants to do.

03:39:08.300 Okay, well, maybe there's a slight deviation, then, which is that you'll allow for some sort

03:39:13.060 of submission.

03:39:13.220 Yeah, allow for him to look at my phone, I'll look at his phone, I can do, you know, he

03:39:17.180 can do whatever he wants on my account.

03:39:18.820 Do you think that women should be forced to submit in marriage?

03:39:21.620 I think that women should always be able to, to some degree, have the right to choose

03:39:28.080 and have a right of consent.

03:39:29.820 Basically, a man shouldn't be able to force himself on a woman.

03:39:33.420 Yeah, of course not.

03:39:34.080 A man shouldn't be, like, basically, if a man's like, I want to have, you know what, tonight,

03:39:38.560 and she's like, you know, no, she has a right to say no, right?

03:39:42.260 She has a right to choose.

03:39:42.880 Do you believe that there's implied consent in a marriage?

03:39:47.640 What do you mean?

03:39:48.280 Like, if your husband rolls over in the morning, and you're still asleep, and he plows you,

03:39:53.380 did he, did he, did he, were you S-aid?

03:39:56.600 No.

03:39:57.140 No.

03:39:57.720 But if you, but if you were saying, legally, there's already implied consent.

03:40:01.620 Yes, in the law.

03:40:02.100 If you were saying, no, stop, no, stop, then I would say that it was rape.

03:40:07.460 Okay.

03:40:08.480 As soon as the woman, it's implied consent, as soon as the woman says no, it's no longer

03:40:13.100 consent, right?

03:40:13.920 Can I just ask, how do y'all's view of feminism influence your expectations for dating, and

03:40:20.460 marriage, and all that sort of stuff?

03:40:22.120 Also, I just, I'll end, I'll end, I'll end, I'll end, I'll tie this one up with this.

03:40:25.980 Wait, really quick, I'm not going to let you get away with it, because you called me a

03:40:28.300 feminist.

03:40:28.460 You are a feminist.

03:40:29.620 How am I a feminist?

03:40:30.680 Because the only thing that you could come up with, the only thing that you could come

03:40:34.980 up with, and by the way, feminists, also, also feminists who make claims that they're

03:40:39.620 Christians will also make a claim for submission.

03:40:42.080 They'll say, I'll do it within the context of religiosity, but when it comes to society

03:40:46.280 itself, you want to see the egalitarian movement of men and women, and you've said it over

03:40:52.160 and over and over and over.

03:40:54.000 I did not say that.

03:40:54.740 Okay, well then give me a deviation, which is not personal, but it's a societal prescription.

03:41:00.440 A societal prescription.

03:41:02.140 My, okay, here's what I'll say.

03:41:03.240 I would say that my belief set, as far as relationships go, is very traditional in that

03:41:12.820 I totally believe in the dynamics of the man fulfilling the male role, the woman fulfilling

03:41:19.140 the female role, and those being very defined in that.

03:41:24.000 But what I would say-

03:41:24.780 Feminists can believe that too.

03:41:25.360 It has nothing to do with an egalitarian prescription for society.

03:41:27.700 What sorts of things do you think, as far as egalitarianism in society, would you move

03:41:33.540 away from when it comes to men and women under the law or under any type of social patriarchy?

03:41:41.080 Like, here's a good example.

03:41:42.600 Do you support a patriarchy?

03:41:47.040 Yes.

03:41:47.900 Yes?

03:41:48.580 To a certain degree, yeah.

03:41:49.800 What does that mean, though?

03:41:50.960 A certain degree?

03:41:51.680 I believe that men should be allowed to be masculine and fully embrace their masculinity.

03:41:57.080 No, patriarchy means men are in charge.

03:41:58.280 I believe in traditional, like, roles, you know, men, chivalry, you know.

03:42:03.180 Patriarchy means the father, right?

03:42:05.300 Mm-hmm.

03:42:05.860 Men are in charge.

03:42:06.840 Yes.

03:42:06.940 That's what it means.

03:42:07.620 So if men are in charge and women can't be in charge, is that okay with you?

03:42:12.680 I don't think that that's how it naturally happens in the nuclear family unit, though, to a

03:42:17.660 certain degree, because women do have say in matter.

03:42:19.820 They do have a say in matters.

03:42:21.700 It's not that a woman never has a say in any matter.

03:42:24.120 Do you think a woman should be able to be president?

03:42:26.440 I feel like that's kind of what he's asking.

03:42:28.940 President or, like, just a large leadership role, something like that, right?

03:42:32.540 Is that what you're asking?

03:42:33.300 Are you saying that all women...

03:42:34.700 This is my question.

03:42:35.540 Are you saying that all women...

03:42:36.400 He's asking, like, legally what we can't do that men can't.

03:42:39.780 My question is, so you're saying, okay, so not only should women not vote, but they

03:42:43.600 shouldn't be able to hold any type of a job?

03:42:46.400 They shouldn't be able to hold any political positions?

03:42:48.440 Political positions, no.

03:42:49.820 Okay, so why would they be expected to work and provide, which is a role that a male is

03:42:54.980 supposed to perform for his family, but not be able to vote?

03:42:58.320 We don't expect them to work inside of a patriarchal system.

03:43:01.000 Okay, so you're saying the women should be allowed to work, though.

03:43:03.760 They should be allowed to work.

03:43:05.700 That doesn't mean that they should have to work.

03:43:08.240 Okay.

03:43:08.920 So how is that not a feminist belief, then?

03:43:11.080 How is that a feminist belief?

03:43:12.080 Because I'm telling you that I endorse a patriarchal system.

03:43:16.120 Patriarchal systems traditionally have protected women.

03:43:18.560 If women are working, though, wouldn't that be considered the job of a man?

03:43:22.760 There could be interest that they have, or they might need a little part-time cash or

03:43:26.980 something like this.

03:43:27.720 But if you contracted 50% of the workforce, which would be female tomorrow, wages would

03:43:32.080 fucking skyrocket, and I guarantee you men would be making a lot more money.

03:43:35.060 So the question becomes, if you're inside of a patriarchal system, the patriarchy itself

03:43:39.400 is in charge.

03:43:40.060 Women can't hold political office at all.

03:43:42.680 They say, no, you're not allowed to hold political office, which was the tradition

03:43:45.900 of the United States.

03:43:46.820 No, you're not allowed to vote, which was the tradition of the United States.

03:43:50.060 What's your problem with that?

03:43:50.920 Well, you realize that the United States is a corporation, right?

03:43:53.940 No, it's not.

03:43:54.860 Yes, it is.

03:43:55.340 No, it's not.

03:43:56.080 That's some sovereign citizen bullshit.

03:43:57.520 No, it actually is a corporation.

03:43:58.940 No, it's not a corporation.

03:43:59.720 It is a corporation.

03:44:00.760 What type of corporation?

03:44:01.820 It is a corporation.

03:44:02.680 What type of corporation?

03:44:03.340 What?

03:44:03.920 Is it an S-corp?

03:44:05.280 Is it an S-corporation?

03:44:06.700 Oh, gosh.

03:44:07.380 Okay, so what I'm getting at here is, so women should be able to work and fulfill roles

03:44:12.480 at corporations and at jobs, but they shouldn't be able to-

03:44:16.180 I said can, not should.

03:44:17.240 They shouldn't be able to fulfill a political role in office.

03:44:20.660 Can is different than should.

03:44:23.000 You realize this, right?

03:44:24.100 If I say should, that means ought to do.

03:44:26.260 If I say can, it means capable of.

03:44:29.080 So, yes, women should be capable of working and should be able to work if they choose to

03:44:33.800 work.

03:44:34.340 It doesn't mean they should work.

03:44:36.160 There's a distinction between those two words.

03:44:38.020 When you're living inside of, again, a patriarchal society, what would your actual problem with

03:44:43.100 a patriarchal society be, or do you have none?

03:44:48.140 My actual deviation would just be more along the lines of traditional nuclear family roles.

03:44:53.640 Why would that not exist inside of a patriarchal system?

03:44:56.180 That's not what we're seeing today.

03:44:58.320 We're seeing the feminist movement up today.

03:45:01.720 We're seeing women pushing for young girls to never get married, to just stay sexually

03:45:08.660 promiscuous and just go get a job in gender studies.

03:45:12.720 We don't live in a patriarchy.

03:45:13.760 You said we live in a benevolent patriarchy where you guys allow us to vote.

03:45:17.800 Yes, you did.

03:45:18.200 I said the best thing about a benevolent patriarchy is that they don't use the enforcement arm

03:45:24.820 to oppress you.

03:45:25.780 Saying the best thing about something implies that it exists.

03:45:28.100 I'll get back to you.

03:45:28.780 You just told me stop talking in the middle of my conversation because you got pwned.

03:45:30.800 Until I get, until I finish, until I finish this.

03:45:33.480 Anyway, go ahead.

03:45:34.100 My 19-year-old.

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03:45:39.860 This is ridiculous.

03:45:41.080 Here, let's, let's move on.

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03:47:06.360 Now, do you want to have this engagement now that we're done with this one?

03:47:09.960 In just a sec, kill of cereal, pick 6'2", 180K a year, fit 8-inch PP, but has a horrible world outlook, bad attitude in general.

03:47:18.220 Hide that, Nick.

03:47:19.380 5'2", 30K a year, chubby, 5'4", PP, has a positive outlook, and oozes confidence and swagger.

03:47:27.020 So pick one of the two, and then why.

03:47:30.880 Quick answers, if you can, please go ahead.

03:47:32.400 6'2", D1 babies.

03:47:34.940 Okay.

03:47:37.040 I don't even know what you just said.

03:47:38.260 The short one.

03:47:39.280 So then I don't have a negative life 24-7 around me.

03:47:44.060 Dang, that's crazy.

03:47:45.040 Neither.

03:47:45.840 No, you got to pick one.

03:47:46.720 No, I like neither.

03:47:47.860 God is not the equation of either.

03:47:49.240 You gotta, you gotta, though, you gotta.

03:47:51.460 I can't, like, I wouldn't.

03:47:52.940 God has, not excited.

03:47:54.680 Somebody has a gun, somebody.

03:47:57.580 Yo, Marcus, thank you for the 20 gifted memberships.

03:47:59.960 Somebody has.

03:48:01.120 A gun to my head.

03:48:02.040 An AK-47.

03:48:03.780 A bazooka.

03:48:04.740 Dude, he's got a bazooka to your head.

03:48:06.580 I'm dying with honor.

03:48:08.480 Okay, what about your whole family?

03:48:11.660 And you gotta pick one, otherwise your whole family gets wiped out.

03:48:14.340 I mean, if I pick one, they're gonna die anyway, so.

03:48:16.520 You wouldn't do the sacrifice?

03:48:17.140 You wouldn't do the sacrifice for your family?

03:48:19.960 I mean, if I picked one of those guys, my family would probably die anyway, so.

03:48:23.200 All right, what about you?

03:48:24.340 Yeah, I'd probably pick the 6'2 guy, because I'm tall.

03:48:27.840 Ha ha, okay.

03:48:33.360 Shoot, I really don't know, and this is genuinely, I apologize.

03:48:36.840 I agree with you, but I guess if we're going off of morals and whatnot, I would go with morally,

03:48:44.300 but, you know, looks are really, really nice, but I think morals just trump it just a little.

03:48:48.780 So, you pick the 5'2 guy.

03:48:51.800 Unfortunately, if you force me to choose, you know.

03:48:56.620 Okay, that's fine.

03:48:57.780 What's the question again?

03:48:59.860 Tall, rich, fit, large peen, terrible, horrible world outlook and bad attitude in general,

03:49:06.800 or 5'2, 30K a year, chubby, 4-inch peen, but positive outlook and oozes confidence and swagger?

03:49:14.300 Ooh, the second one.

03:49:16.080 Okay.

03:49:16.860 Wait, first guy.

03:49:17.960 The who one?

03:49:18.940 The first guy.

03:49:19.500 First guy?

03:49:20.200 The second guy.

03:49:21.060 Second guy?

03:49:21.760 Could I change my answer, actually, to the first guy?

03:49:23.960 I'm sorry, I wasn't, like, totally.

03:49:25.840 Why?

03:49:26.320 So why?

03:49:26.700 Well, just because I heard you reread it again, and I, you know, didn't process fully.

03:49:33.980 What was it that made you switch?

03:49:36.260 I do think that there's a provider aspect as well to the first guy and everything.

03:49:43.320 Yeah, it was the paycheck.

03:49:44.460 It's not even a paycheck.

03:49:46.880 6'2?

03:49:47.460 He's fit?

03:49:48.220 We talked about, yeah.

03:49:49.240 Huge peen?

03:49:49.880 Well, I think it's an aspect of taking care of himself, and that gives self-assurance that already radiates confidence, you know,

03:49:57.800 and so I can respect a lot of those aspects, but, you know.

03:50:01.480 For shizzle.

03:50:02.260 Yeah.

03:50:02.560 All right, we have Rose.

03:50:04.140 Given the implied consent stance scenarios that the man is asleep and the woman hops on,

03:50:08.300 the man said the night before he wanted to conserve his seed, she keeps going despite his ass to stop.

03:50:12.920 Is that essay?

03:50:14.540 Yes.

03:50:14.720 Quick answer on this.

03:50:15.880 Yes.

03:50:16.920 Yes.

03:50:17.980 Oh.

03:50:18.920 Oh, for the whole table.

03:50:19.880 I guess.

03:50:20.160 Yeah, okay.

03:50:20.620 We'll go around the table.

03:50:23.380 I mean, if he said to stop, like, she should stop, but, I mean, I don't know.

03:50:31.780 If he said stop, she should stop.

03:50:32.800 Go ahead.

03:50:33.460 Um, yeah.

03:50:34.660 Yes.

03:50:36.120 Um.

03:50:37.740 Living Underscore donated $200.

03:50:40.960 Andrew, explain why you believe tone and delivery aren't important in debate.

03:50:46.440 I understand it doesn't change the logic of your argument.

03:50:49.540 But acting as though it doesn't matter is literally retarded.

03:50:53.580 The only reason that you think that is because it's women being made uncomfortable.

03:50:58.260 If this was the tone with men, which you take all the time, you'd be in the audience fucking cheering me like you probably already have.

03:51:06.140 It's only because it's women being made uncomfortable.

03:51:08.500 And that makes you a simp, sir.

03:51:10.940 No, he just understands that women don't understand things at a certain tone.

03:51:15.460 Like.

03:51:15.520 It sounds like you understand it fine.

03:51:17.240 Well, no.

03:51:17.800 A lot of women, though, I was raised by a single father.

03:51:20.560 Oh, right.

03:51:20.920 So, it's different.

03:51:22.120 So, you're capable of rationality, just most women aren't.

03:51:24.800 No, and I still don't understand.

03:51:26.100 A lot of times, if you approach a woman emotionally or in a tone that sounds emotional.

03:51:30.520 My arguments aren't for you.

03:51:31.720 It's for the thousands of people watching.

03:51:33.400 Yeah, but.

03:51:33.780 I don't care if I change your mind or not.

03:51:35.720 No, but the fact is, if you approach a conversation with a certain tone that is offensive to women, most of their brains turn off.

03:51:42.280 Good.

03:51:43.420 But they're the ones that need to learn.

03:51:45.700 It's because.

03:51:46.220 They're not going to.

03:51:46.820 Listen.

03:51:47.520 Do you think.

03:51:48.760 Do you think that there's anything that I can say to a woman who is a libertarian feminist to explain to her that she's actually a libertarian feminist and not a right-wing conservative?

03:52:00.060 Regardless of my fucking tone.

03:52:02.040 No.

03:52:02.480 There's nothing.

03:52:03.300 Nothing I can say.

03:52:03.880 Well, here's the thing.

03:52:05.440 There's something I can say to a condescending asshole.

03:52:08.260 You can.

03:52:08.780 To tell him I'm not a feminist and he'll believe it.

03:52:10.660 You can say it all you want.

03:52:11.540 I mean, Jesus did it.

03:52:13.200 I mean, Jesus showed love to people and with his words as well.

03:52:17.020 Yeah, and he called them pit of vipers and he called them Pharisees and he ran them out of the temple after he fashioned a whip.

03:52:21.900 He didn't talk to women like that.

03:52:22.740 How do you know when he talked to women like?

03:52:24.660 You mean when he told a woman to.

03:52:27.120 Listen, listen.

03:52:28.560 I don't see how you're convincing.

03:52:31.020 Jesus didn't talk to women in a mean way.

03:52:33.340 I don't care if I convince you.

03:52:34.640 It's not for you.

03:52:35.340 My arguments aren't to convince you.

03:52:37.720 They're to refute your arguments.

03:52:38.940 I like the way that he speaks.

03:52:40.200 I feel like it gives me more leeway to be meaner back when it comes to arguing.

03:52:44.120 By the way, that's also part of entertainment.

03:52:45.680 That's why it is a problem, though, because I understand that I'm a very masculine woman because of, you know, no dad.

03:52:51.600 So I'm very comfortable with acting that way.

03:52:53.700 However, lots of other women, like she has just said, are scared of retaliation from men and are scared of talking to men in a similar tone.

03:53:01.640 If that tone is taken up against them.

03:53:02.600 So they're afraid I'm going to, wait.

03:53:03.800 It's not about, what I said has nothing to do with feelings.

03:53:06.280 You think they think I'm going to go beat them up?

03:53:08.580 No.

03:53:08.840 Like, what are you talking about?

03:53:09.920 No, no, no, no, no.

03:53:10.760 But over time, that's kind of something that's naturally ingrained in you.

03:53:14.000 It's like I said with the male gaze.

03:53:15.080 Maybe you're not going to beat me up, but like 200 years ago, you would have stoned me to death.

03:53:18.820 And, you know, that tends to travel over decades.

03:53:21.820 And societally, we tend to know.

03:53:23.120 Ancestor maybe possibly getting stoned to death a thousand years ago means something to you now.

03:53:27.020 You know, that's generational trauma.

03:53:27.940 No, I don't know what, that's not your point.

03:53:29.760 That was the point you just made.

03:53:30.660 My point is that in general, women are less likely to talk back to me.

03:53:33.080 The thing, here's the thing.

03:53:34.940 Most women, here's the truth.

03:53:36.780 Most women are never, most women are never made to feel uncomfortable by a man.

03:53:41.500 And so when they are, a lot of women panic and freak the fuck out.

03:53:45.700 Yeah, exactly.

03:53:46.180 Whereas a man in that situation would attack back.

03:53:48.540 A lot of men also panic and freak out.

03:53:51.620 But I don't understand.

03:53:53.100 If the feminist egalitarian belief is that we're fucking equal and interchangeable widgets,

03:53:57.180 then be uncomfortable.

03:53:58.240 That's what I'm doing.

03:53:58.800 Be made uncomfortable.

03:53:59.280 That's what I'm doing.

03:54:00.000 I'm saying I'm just saying.

03:54:00.700 And you're the only part of this that's been entertaining so far.

03:54:04.000 I think that, you know, you kind of represent like the, what is the polar opposite to the

03:54:10.940 feminist in an opposite end of the spectrum where the feminists represent a very radicalized,

03:54:18.800 toxic version of femininity.

03:54:21.120 And what you're representing is a very-

03:54:23.660 Is toxic masculinity.

03:54:24.640 Go ahead.

03:54:25.180 No, no, a very radicalized-

03:54:27.600 No, I'm not going to say that.

03:54:29.380 Yes, you were.

03:54:30.480 No, you are representing a very radicalized version of what it is to be a man.

03:54:36.320 If I'm on-

03:54:36.720 And you are speaking in such a way that is very condescending.

03:54:42.760 If I'm on the extreme end of toxic femininity, that would make it, what?

03:54:49.780 Finish the sentence for me.

03:54:51.040 Toxic masculinity, right?

03:54:52.760 If that's the extreme end to the toxic feminist, wouldn't that be toxic masculinity?

03:54:57.300 What you're essentially espousing here are, what I'm getting at, is very radical beliefs.

03:55:03.240 No, they're not radical beliefs.

03:55:03.840 That aren't in line.

03:55:05.040 What makes them radical?

03:55:06.440 They're not in the middle and they're not in line with the center.

03:55:08.360 It's the only thing that makes a thing-

03:55:09.840 Most people's belief sets are, you'd say the majority of the population's belief sets are

03:55:15.080 going to be in that center range.

03:55:16.540 And then you have some of the people who are like super ultra radical on both sides of the

03:55:21.560 argument.

03:55:21.600 What do you say about people who say-

03:55:22.380 But I would say that they're both toxic.

03:55:24.360 Andrew, may I please ask you a question?

03:55:24.940 And they end up being both toxic to the nuclear family.

03:55:28.140 Yeah, what do you think that, do you think that people who call Alex Jones' beliefs radical

03:55:32.620 are correct?

03:55:35.160 Probably.

03:55:35.660 I want to hear Eden's question.

03:55:36.700 No, I want to answer to mine.

03:55:38.540 Do you think that people who call Alex Jones' beliefs radical are correct?

03:55:41.840 We're not talking about Alex Jones.

03:55:42.880 The reason I bring Alex Jones up and his beliefs and whether or not they're radical is because

03:55:46.680 there's millions upon millions of people who say that they're radical beliefs.

03:55:50.320 Are they wrong?

03:55:51.280 And just calling something radical, by the way, leftist tactic, just calling my beliefs

03:55:55.660 radical without refuting them-

03:55:57.820 Well, you can talk about-

03:55:57.920 I can refute it.

03:55:58.620 Then refute them.

03:55:59.240 I'm trying to explain right now is there's more centric beliefs and then there's beliefs

03:56:04.460 that you would see on opposite sides of any spectrum.

03:56:07.200 It's an argument ad populum.

03:56:08.540 It's an opposite side of a spectrum.

03:56:10.700 That's an argument ad populum.

03:56:11.760 But what I would say is that both sides, when you're way too much on this crazy, deranged,

03:56:18.860 I hate men spectrum versus this other very degrading, I hate women spectrum-

03:56:24.540 I hate women.

03:56:25.380 Where did you ever come up with that?

03:56:26.380 Well, you're saying women shouldn't be able to vote.

03:56:27.780 Why does that mean that you hate them?

03:56:29.120 Andrew, can I ask you a question real quick?

03:56:30.320 Do you think felons should be able to vote?

03:56:31.900 The way you talk to-

03:56:32.420 Do you think felons should be able to vote?

03:56:33.760 Listen, you're talking about-

03:56:34.920 Does that mean you hate them?

03:56:35.720 You're talking about the questions you're pointing at all the women on this table here

03:56:41.500 are very much about your values based on your looks.

03:56:45.220 That's right.

03:56:45.700 Rate yourself one to ten.

03:56:47.400 Those aren't even my questions.

03:56:48.320 And then, oh, you shouldn't be able to vote.

03:56:50.000 Those are his questions.

03:56:50.340 Those are my questions.

03:56:51.260 You shouldn't be able to have a say-

03:56:52.500 Andrew's a feminist.

03:56:53.280 In government.

03:56:53.720 I don't know where he came up with the idea.

03:56:54.620 You shouldn't be able to have a role in government.

03:56:55.580 I don't give a shit how any of you look.

03:56:57.300 I'm just here for the arguments.

03:56:58.440 I could give a fuck less.

03:56:59.440 He doesn't give a fuck.

03:57:00.660 I don't give a shit.

03:57:01.480 Yeah, so why was it such a big issue to try to essentially ask us about our numbers?

03:57:05.640 Because you took a position that I found absurd, so I argued it.

03:57:08.700 Okay.

03:57:09.220 And can I ask you-

03:57:10.380 That's fine, but here's the problem with when you have the females-

03:57:12.780 Do you think when I do debates with women, I come out and go,

03:57:15.100 now how would you rate yourself?

03:57:16.040 I don't give a fuck how they look.

03:57:17.340 He doesn't care.

03:57:18.160 I'm here to do a debate.

03:57:19.240 I feel like you guys are talking in circles.

03:57:20.840 Can she ask her question?

03:57:21.800 Yeah, go ahead.

03:57:21.960 Yeah, but I feel like we're going to finish the argument real quick.

03:57:24.680 Hang on.

03:57:25.040 So back to this.

03:57:26.260 We're almost done.

03:57:27.300 Do you believe it's a democracy?

03:57:28.700 No.

03:57:29.160 Can we take a vote?

03:57:30.120 So can we get back to this?

03:57:31.600 I would say not believing in the Constitution in the United States is kind of radical.

03:57:35.980 An argument ad populum.

03:57:37.320 Well, it was in the Constitution that we had slavery.

03:57:39.160 Did you believe in the Constitution then?

03:57:41.580 I've always believed in the Constitution.

03:57:43.720 Except for the-

03:57:44.260 I didn't believe in slavery.

03:57:44.860 Did you believe in the slavery?

03:57:45.780 Oh, you didn't.

03:57:46.380 So you don't believe in the Constitution?

03:57:48.200 Well, well-

03:57:48.880 Oh, you didn't believe in the Constitution?

03:57:51.060 So you believe in slavery?

03:57:52.780 No, of course not.

03:57:54.020 Okay.

03:57:54.260 But you're making the argument to me, I don't believe in the Constitution.

03:57:57.020 Well, you said that.

03:57:57.160 When I put it right back on you, neither do you.

03:57:58.960 So who cares?

03:58:00.120 Okay.

03:58:01.080 Thank you.

03:58:01.720 So I wanted to ask you-

03:58:04.500 I do believe in the Constitution, by the way.

03:58:06.280 Sorry.

03:58:06.380 Just ask.

03:58:06.840 It's written right now.

03:58:07.960 It's perfect right now.

03:58:09.720 Yes.

03:58:10.440 Go ahead.

03:58:11.200 For instance-

03:58:12.080 Don't let him interrupt you.

03:58:13.100 Go ahead.

03:58:13.300 Okay, so I just wanted to ask this, and I wanted to come at this from a Christian perspective,

03:58:17.380 because I'm genuinely really curious.

03:58:19.860 I'm not trying to, like, back you into a corner or anything.

03:58:21.780 I'm genuinely curious.

03:58:22.860 So a lot of times on this show, I've seen a lot of girls who claim to be Christian.

03:58:26.580 They come on here, and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm on OF, or I'm doing X, Y, and Z thing.

03:58:31.120 And, you know, you or someone else points out, well, that's kind of conflicting, right?

03:58:37.260 Sure.

03:58:37.460 So do you think that sometimes that your delivery can be kind of conflicting with Christian values?

03:58:42.040 I know that Jesus flipped the tables and everything, but I think there is a time and a place,

03:58:46.680 and I think there is a way to conduct yourself.

03:58:48.720 And I know that being polite, you know, and debates don't really go together a lot of times.

03:58:53.100 Would you be nice to a Satanist?

03:58:56.560 Yes, of course.

03:58:57.700 And would you be nice to Satan?

03:59:01.520 That's a grand question.

03:59:02.520 Love the sinner and hate the sin.

03:59:03.480 Yeah, love the sinner and hate the sin.

03:59:05.440 That's nowhere in the Bible.

03:59:06.480 You just made it up.

03:59:07.460 No, that is in the Bible.

03:59:09.160 That is in the Bible.

03:59:09.880 Where?

03:59:11.080 In chapter, you just made it the fuck up?

03:59:13.120 No, I didn't.

03:59:13.920 Yeah, you did.

03:59:14.540 Earlier, you said.

03:59:15.500 Wait, I have something to say.

03:59:16.720 Earlier.

03:59:17.060 Pull it up.

03:59:17.480 Let's find out if you're right.

03:59:18.580 I mean, I don't have my time.

03:59:19.620 Andrew.

03:59:19.980 No, we'll pull it up.

03:59:20.580 Andrew, Andrew, please.

03:59:21.800 Earlier, you said that.

03:59:22.700 Chapter, you just made it the fuck up.

03:59:23.700 Is that what you believe?

03:59:24.600 Chapter, you just made it the fuck up.

03:59:25.680 Andrew, earlier, you said that patriarchies have historically protected women.

03:59:29.320 Can you cite something for me?

03:59:30.680 Or, Chad, did you just make that the fuck up?

03:59:32.520 Yes, I can, actually.

03:59:33.940 Here's a great example of it.

03:59:35.500 Have you ever heard of the Byzantine Empire?

03:59:37.640 Yes.

03:59:38.580 Well, who ran it?

03:59:40.840 Constantine.

03:59:41.340 Okay, great.

03:59:42.220 Constantine.

03:59:43.400 Did Constantine put in a code?

03:59:47.040 Probably put out the law.

03:59:48.180 Can we not do name calling?

03:59:49.880 Let's not do name calling.

03:59:50.400 Did Constantine put in a code?

03:59:51.860 Oh, but he can call me.

03:59:52.740 I was going to say he can be little.

03:59:54.180 What was it?

03:59:55.540 There was probably something about not raping women, but they probably still raped the shit

03:59:59.160 out of all the women.

03:59:59.960 They probably did, huh?

04:00:01.160 Based on just, you just made it up.

04:00:03.580 Based on, I just made it the fuck up.

04:00:06.220 Yeah.

04:00:06.400 Like you do anything.

04:00:07.320 Yeah, but you don't have evidence for your point either.

04:00:09.100 I do have evidence.

04:00:10.220 We just agreed Constantine put in a code.

04:00:11.160 What's the law?

04:00:11.740 What's the law that he made?

04:00:12.440 What was the law?

04:00:13.140 What was the law?

04:00:13.160 What was the code?

04:00:14.020 So here, Constantine, after he took, or converted over, inside of the Byzantine Empire, yes,

04:00:21.560 of course, there was a doctrine that women were to be protected.

04:00:24.640 And the reason that this happened is because one of the great assets when it comes to wartime

04:00:29.960 is to make sure that your women are protected.

04:00:32.360 Can you tell me the specific tenets of the doctrine?

04:00:34.200 No, I don't need to give you the specific code to note that there is one.

04:00:37.720 Oh, so it's the you made that shit up chapter?

04:00:39.600 That's a genetic, what you're making right now is a genetic fallacy.

04:00:42.180 I'm using the same fallacy that you've been using on all of us, which is show me the exact

04:00:45.760 evidence, show me the exact date, time, whatever.

04:00:47.980 When did I say that on an exacting, when it wasn't the position that you postulated?

04:00:52.340 You said that patriarchies have historically protected women.

04:00:54.620 And I just gave an example that you agreed with.

04:00:56.920 Okay, but that is false in more cases than it is.

04:00:59.160 Then give me a case where it's false and we'll argue it.

04:01:01.000 I hate it so much.

04:01:02.100 It's okay, we don't have to argue.

04:01:03.040 No, no, no, we do.

04:01:04.000 Give me a case and we'll argue it.

04:01:05.200 I would like someone else to be able to say it.

04:01:05.440 Give me a case and we'll argue it.

04:01:06.740 Like I said, because you don't fucking know one.

04:01:09.100 You don't know one.

04:01:09.880 But yeah, but I mean.

04:01:10.800 Yeah, but yeah, that's right.

04:01:12.680 Do you want to know why?

04:01:13.740 Do you want to know why?

04:01:15.000 Like, this is the absurdity of what you're arguing.

04:01:17.440 Okay.

04:01:17.680 Women should relinquish their rights to what a man like you, who is going to treat them

04:01:25.020 in a belittling way, condescending way, and kind of an authoritarian way.

04:01:30.120 I mean, you're not really convincing.

04:01:30.820 You don't like authoritarianism?

04:01:32.200 I thought you just said you should submit to your husband.

04:01:34.020 You are not convincing people.

04:01:36.320 Isn't your husband an authority if you submit to him?

04:01:38.780 I don't think he's trying to.

04:01:39.580 You're not trying to convince him.

04:01:40.280 It's saying, it doesn't say men should force women to submit.

04:01:43.540 It says women should willingly submit.

04:01:47.080 Then if they gave up their right to vote, wouldn't they be willingly be submitting to men?

04:01:50.960 Can't somebody just get their point across without being interjected?

04:01:54.060 Well, the woman wouldn't have a.

04:01:54.440 Like, at least respectful conversation.

04:01:55.880 Listen, it wouldn't be willful if the woman didn't have a choice.

04:01:57.760 And you're saying taking the choice away from her.

04:01:59.500 If women gave up their right to vote tomorrow, wouldn't that be submission?

04:02:02.240 It's not willful if you take away her choice, is it?

04:02:05.220 So here's the thing.

04:02:06.560 It's interesting.

04:02:07.580 So that's not willful.

04:02:08.320 I think it's okay to take choice away from people, especially in various circumstances

04:02:14.760 where they don't need to have the choice to begin with.

04:02:17.100 For instance, I think it's okay to take away your choice to do heroin.

04:02:19.940 I think it's okay to take away your right to do an abortion.

04:02:22.660 I think it's okay to take away all sorts of values that you might have.

04:02:25.680 What about your right to smoke cigarettes?

04:02:26.500 What about it?

04:02:27.640 You'd be chill if the government took that away?

04:02:29.160 I think that there is a position when it comes to authoritarianism where if there was such

04:02:35.200 a greater good that was served, if the only way I could get rid of heroin and abortion

04:02:38.880 was to also get rid of the cigarettes, sure.

04:02:41.440 But does cigarettes do the same amount of fucking damage that you see inside a society that

04:02:46.980 you see from OnlyFans and these various things?

04:02:49.200 No.

04:02:49.780 A weakness is a weakness.

04:02:51.040 No, no, no.

04:02:52.020 Yes, it is.

04:02:52.540 It's not.

04:02:52.900 Is it?

04:02:53.440 I think more people die from cigarettes than OnlyFans.

04:02:56.440 Their death itself is not the pushing of the decadence of society.

04:03:02.740 Neither is the death of an aborted baby.

04:03:04.440 Almost everybody.

04:03:06.160 Yes, that would move towards the decadence of society.

04:03:09.780 How about we go around a table and ask the women here if they would be willing to date

04:03:14.760 a man like Andrew?

04:03:16.440 I hope the answer is no and that you would go get a great stud who was awesome.

04:03:20.340 Let's go ahead.

04:03:21.360 My answer is no.

04:03:22.480 I feel like Renee is kind of down, to be honest.

04:03:25.740 Never.

04:03:26.360 Can I ask you a question?

04:03:28.300 I think Renee is kind of down.

04:03:29.920 I would hope that the answer is no and you would go for a stud.

04:03:32.400 Great.

04:03:32.760 Everybody says no.

04:03:33.680 What does that have to do with anything?

04:03:34.700 Real quick.

04:03:34.900 It actually would be your personality.

04:03:35.900 Can I ask you something, though?

04:03:36.680 Because I've been dying to know.

04:03:37.680 I just want to know if you're out of curiosity.

04:03:39.240 Do you think that things have gotten better in this country since women got the right

04:03:43.360 to vote?

04:03:45.980 The direction of society.

04:03:47.180 Okay.

04:03:47.460 I don't think that it's fair to use women as the scapegoat for all the problems in our country.

04:03:50.480 I'm not saying, I'm just asking you.

04:03:51.940 You'll never answer your question.

04:03:53.140 Listen, I can point to.

04:03:54.600 No, no, no.

04:03:55.060 I can actually point to the exact reason why things in our society are going wrong.

04:03:59.980 The pill.

04:04:00.200 The pill.

04:04:01.160 No.

04:04:01.380 Is it the pill?

04:04:02.260 Actually, I'm going to go a little bit deeper with that.

04:04:04.800 And I'm going to talk about the large investment hedge funds like BlackRock, Vanguard, State

04:04:11.220 Street Capital, many of the large funds that are investing in eugenics programs in our

04:04:16.800 country, investing in the destruction of the nuclear family.

04:04:20.640 I'm going to go with those.

04:04:21.760 And I mean, I would guess, I'm just guessing the majority of the board members and the shareholders

04:04:26.380 on those hedge funds are mostly males.

04:04:28.420 I would just guess.

04:04:29.040 Don't most women, though, vote Democratic?

04:04:31.920 Yes.

04:04:32.180 No.

04:04:32.660 She.

04:04:33.500 No.

04:04:33.800 What does that have to do with the men?

04:04:35.820 I'm asking.

04:04:36.520 I'm not all in my answer to this question.

04:04:38.080 Why do you think that is?

04:04:38.640 Because of what?

04:04:39.260 They're seeing on TV.

04:04:39.680 That was a base to anti-capitalistic.

04:04:41.840 No, no, no.

04:04:42.500 It's not anti-capitalistic.

04:04:44.300 It's not anti-capitalistic.

04:04:45.640 No.

04:04:46.080 Because those big hedge funds, if anything, they're destroying mom and pop businesses and

04:04:49.840 small businesses.

04:04:50.940 Really?

04:04:51.080 So they exist because of the unfettered multiplicationism.

04:04:53.760 Yes, because of monopolies, because they allow these big giant corporations.

04:04:58.440 How many of these big corporations had to shut down during the lockdowns?

04:05:02.180 Walmart was open.

04:05:03.340 All the big chains were open.

04:05:05.500 But the small mom and pops, they all had to close their doors and they all suffered because

04:05:08.640 of it.

04:05:09.520 What I'm getting at, your question was, women are voting Democrat.

04:05:11.600 Yeah, you think there would have been mass mandates if women weren't out there screaming

04:05:15.100 with their fucking little signs?

04:05:16.800 Yeah, right.

04:05:17.120 Well, I would say the women are mostly voting Democrat because of what they're seeing in

04:05:21.780 music, media, Hollywood, mainstream media, Cardi B, right?

04:05:26.480 All those things.

04:05:26.880 Cardi B.

04:05:27.360 So they can be influenced by brainwashing.

04:05:30.480 Yes.

04:05:31.000 They're brainwashed.

04:05:32.060 Wait, wait, wait.

04:05:32.280 I have a question.

04:05:32.680 Cardi B is brainwashing.

04:05:34.380 I have a question.

04:05:35.020 They're brainwashing.

04:05:36.020 The most influential sector, by the way.

04:05:38.740 Brainwashing.

04:05:39.220 Wait, you think that women create...

04:05:41.100 Let me finish.

04:05:42.260 ...and how they've mastered men in a game of chess.

04:05:45.400 I could...

04:05:46.520 I don't know how that...

04:05:47.880 I didn't say that at all.

04:05:48.700 No, no, no.

04:05:49.040 Let's keep this PG-13.

04:05:50.300 Hold on.

04:05:50.920 I'm keeping it PG...

04:05:51.660 Let me finish here.

04:05:52.500 So the majority of the reason our nation is going to hell in a handbasket is because

04:05:58.860 of what people are consuming from these mainstream media outlets, entertainment, Hollywood, so

04:06:04.940 and so forth.

04:06:06.280 And a lot of those big corporate interests, those big companies, they are large in part

04:06:11.860 owned by men.

04:06:13.100 I like men.

04:06:14.180 Let us talk about dating.

04:06:15.960 You can't blame it all on women.

04:06:18.560 We've got to talk about dating.

04:06:19.200 Because women are being into...

04:06:20.280 Well, then just to answer the simple question that she asked, then, simple, super simple.

04:06:23.740 If women were not able to vote, would any of that be happening?

04:06:29.860 That's her question.

04:06:31.320 Cool.

04:06:32.240 Problem, reaction, solution.

04:06:33.420 We're going to move on.

04:06:34.300 Hegelian dialectic.

04:06:35.340 Men created...

04:06:35.940 Correlation is not causation.

04:06:37.940 To create the reaction, to create the solution.

04:06:40.460 I got a chat to read.

04:06:41.520 Well, can you name a causation that has no correlation?

04:06:44.280 Let's just move on.

04:06:44.980 We're going to move on.

04:06:46.060 We're going to move on.

04:06:47.060 What?

04:06:47.300 What has a cause with no correlatory?

04:06:48.840 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

04:06:52.260 Rhino Girl, please stop until you can speak in something other than talking points.

04:06:57.700 You obviously are a lukewarm conservative at best and lack faith in the Lord.

04:07:02.860 Get help.

04:07:03.580 Be better.

04:07:04.500 You can change.

04:07:05.880 I'm not a rhino.

04:07:08.020 For shizzle.

04:07:08.560 Okay.

04:07:09.560 Thank you, Grid One.

04:07:10.480 Good to see you in the chat.

04:07:12.080 We have David Treziak coming in here in just a sec.

04:07:17.200 Thank you, man.

04:07:17.680 Thank you, Grid One.

04:07:18.940 What's your name?

04:07:19.600 Who's your daddy?

04:07:20.380 Is he rich like me?

04:07:21.820 Has he taken any time to show you what you need to live?

04:07:25.360 Tell it to me slowly.

04:07:26.560 Zombies bomb.

04:07:27.780 Love debate.

04:07:29.400 Renee, you're out of frame.

04:07:30.280 Just FYI.

04:07:31.640 Okay.

04:07:32.080 Thank you, man.

04:07:32.660 You know that's a song, right?

04:07:34.220 It sounded like it was lyrics or something.

04:07:37.160 We have the great FB.

04:07:39.880 So you're saying that Andrew should let women be mean to him and be soft and weak because

04:07:43.280 he is a Christian.

04:07:45.160 You thought since he was a Christian, you can use him as a punching bag.

04:07:48.160 That says more about you than Andrew, who Christianity is not a pacifist religion, I think he meant

04:07:55.760 to say.

04:07:56.360 May I please respond to this?

04:07:57.900 Quickly, please.

04:07:58.900 Okay.

04:07:59.560 So I would never, ever want to use Andrew as a punching bag.

04:08:02.600 I like a lot of his points, actually, and the point I was making is I don't think anyone

04:08:06.680 should be used as a punching bag, and the difference between Satan and people who are

04:08:10.780 maybe Satanist is because they're still people, they're still human beings, and there's room

04:08:14.260 to change.

04:08:16.140 And I think if we treat people as if there's no room to change or room to grow, it's condemning,

04:08:22.100 and it doesn't give the people the option to change.

04:08:25.000 V.V., the principles of love of the sinner but hate the sin is backed by scripture.

04:08:29.980 That specific quote is not in the Bible.

04:08:33.880 However, see Matthew 5, 43, 44, and 6, 14, 15.

04:08:37.780 What's difficult is that often our modern worlds confuse love with excusing or ignoring

04:08:42.760 degenerate behavior.

04:08:45.780 Right.

04:08:46.000 So quick, quick, please, if you can.

04:08:47.480 The point here is to give pushback.

04:08:49.460 That is the point of me being here, is to give pushback to your ideologies.

04:08:53.060 Yes, it's not always going to be nice.

04:08:54.340 Yes, it's going to sound like I'm being mean.

04:08:56.740 Yes, it's going to sound like all of this.

04:08:59.380 My purpose is not here to be nice and kind and fill your ass with smoke.

04:09:03.060 My purpose is here to destroy your ideology, mangle it the worst way I possibly can, and

04:09:07.560 basically drub it through the street, tar and feather it.

04:09:10.680 That's the point of me being here.

04:09:12.860 It wouldn't matter if all of you were men, gone into the same room with them, don't care.

04:09:16.920 It means nothing to me.

04:09:17.900 I'm just here for the world views.

04:09:19.920 Awesome.

04:09:20.700 Mr. Travolta with the 100 British pounds, I think.

04:09:24.880 First girl is very thoughtful.

04:09:27.200 I don't agree with anything she says, but she's very thoughtful, eloquent, and knows

04:09:31.380 when to be quiet.

04:09:32.300 And the first girl?

04:09:34.580 Her.

04:09:36.180 I have a name now.

04:09:37.220 Eloquent.

04:09:38.560 And knows when to be quiet.

04:09:40.040 Okay.

04:09:40.740 Those aren't traits of a typical feminist.

04:09:42.680 Andrew is just triggered because she doesn't believe in God.

04:09:45.640 There is no proof that God exists.

04:09:46.820 I don't care if she believes in God or not.

04:09:48.600 He does not.

04:09:49.180 I don't know.

04:09:49.580 Mr. Travolta said he did.

04:09:51.040 Have some faith.

04:09:53.060 Okay.

04:09:53.780 You know what?

04:09:54.300 You guys should also do a debate on Thursday and Friday.

04:09:58.620 That would be interesting.

04:10:00.140 With no interruptions?

04:10:01.640 That would be wonderful.

04:10:02.740 We'll try our best.

04:10:03.680 Okay.

04:10:04.680 So, before we get back into some dating-related stuff, these are always interesting questions

04:10:10.100 that are, you know, because, you know, you know.

04:10:13.680 Generally speaking, are men physically stronger than women?

04:10:18.900 Are men stronger than women?

04:10:20.600 Yes.

04:10:21.900 Yes.

04:10:22.960 Yes.

04:10:23.680 Generally speaking, yeah.

04:10:25.320 Yes.

04:10:26.280 Yes.

04:10:27.260 Yes.

04:10:28.020 Yes.

04:10:28.400 Okay.

04:10:29.340 You know, just me and Andrew have encountered a couple who, a few times, that disagree, and

04:10:34.800 that was an interesting convo.

04:10:37.360 Can you be sexist towards men?

04:10:45.620 Okay.

04:10:46.260 This is related to our feminism conversation, but go ahead.

04:10:48.860 I have a general view that, like, the feminist thing, you guys know, I think, like, society

04:10:54.220 is sexist, and we have, like, this internalized sexist view of ourselves.

04:10:58.080 And that causes us to be, like, negatively impacted.

04:11:01.340 I'm saying...

04:11:01.740 But when you say society is sexist, towards who?

04:11:04.740 Towards females.

04:11:07.360 It's patriotic.

04:11:07.760 In totality.

04:11:08.800 It's not, okay, it's not sexist towards females, and, like, it discriminates from what

04:11:14.260 they can or can't do.

04:11:15.600 But there is an inherent sexism, like, weaved into the thread of our existence on this planet

04:11:23.760 just by the nature of our gender roles and what is expected from each of us.

04:11:27.580 Wait.

04:11:27.860 It's like the Christian thing, but my argument's maybe that that has, like, some negative impact.

04:11:33.020 Okay, so let's back up.

04:11:34.680 But, okay, you can say something, you can say something sexist to a man, in my opinion,

04:11:41.000 but, like, because it's like, it's like, can you be racist towards a black person?

04:11:45.080 Well, I mean, yes.

04:11:47.240 You mean towards a white person?

04:11:47.460 I mean, I meant a white person, sorry.

04:11:49.080 Can you be racist towards a white person?

04:11:50.300 Yes, you can be racist towards a white person, but it's not the same as the societal oppression

04:11:54.300 that black people as a race have experienced and women as a gender have experienced.

04:11:58.760 That's my answer.

04:11:59.600 Okay.

04:12:01.280 So.

04:12:01.640 Yes, you can be sexist towards a man.

04:12:05.420 Well, when you say men, you're talking about on an individual level, but can you be sexist

04:12:09.880 more broadly speaking towards men?

04:12:14.140 Hmm.

04:12:14.540 Um, I think I could meet a girl out there who could do it.

04:12:19.460 Hmm.

04:12:21.520 You know?

04:12:22.360 Okay.

04:12:23.040 Like, who could, I think it would have to be a very strong girl.

04:12:26.440 I don't know.

04:12:27.100 That's kind of a weird answer.

04:12:28.600 Okay.

04:12:29.380 I can't, I can't wait to get into this as soon as he's done going around the table.

04:12:33.560 Misandry and sexism are different.

04:12:35.820 I think that's a misandrist.

04:12:38.840 That's not, like, a sexist.

04:12:39.620 Well, hold on, there's misandry and there's misogyny.

04:12:41.520 Those are the two counter terms.

04:12:42.900 And then you have sexism, which could be, could be sexist towards men, sexist towards

04:12:48.640 women.

04:12:48.920 It just works on both ends.

04:12:50.180 I, well, I'm saying, like, she just hates men because I'd say sexism is more of an act

04:12:54.260 taken, like, to discriminate against someone versus one is just a distaste.

04:13:00.280 Like, a misandrist is someone who just generally hates men and someone who is sexist towards

04:13:04.360 men would do things to, like, decrease their opportunities in the future.

04:13:08.800 So you, are you saying you can be sexist towards men?

04:13:12.900 Yeah, I guess.

04:13:16.640 I don't know.

04:13:17.020 It's a really roundabout way of answering.

04:13:18.860 I think that it's hard to be sexist towards a man.

04:13:22.860 And lots of women do not do it.

04:13:24.820 It's not common for women to be sexist towards men.

04:13:27.500 It's not.

04:13:27.860 And you're defining sexism as?

04:13:30.280 Um, like I said, it's inhibiting someone's progression in life.

04:13:34.280 So I, I don't mean, I don't mean, like, they're saying, like, oh, you're ugly because...

04:13:38.220 Hang on, back up, back up.

04:13:39.180 Sexism is what now?

04:13:40.540 Let's say a woman is the CEO of a company and she's interviewing a man and a woman for

04:13:45.540 a job.

04:13:45.940 And she hires the woman purely on the basis that she's a woman.

04:13:48.520 I would say that's sexism.

04:13:50.020 Now, misandry would be if a girl walks around and says, fuck you in every guy's face that

04:13:54.560 she meets.

04:13:54.920 Like, you're broke and you're ugly because she just hates men.

04:13:57.620 That's not inhibiting their personal growth.

04:13:59.920 It's just she hates men.

04:14:01.200 Okay.

04:14:01.900 So I'm saying it's harder to enact sexism against men in society.

04:14:05.420 However, it's still possible.

04:14:06.960 Whereas misandry is, like, way more, like, possible and easy.

04:14:10.060 I've met a lot of misandrys.

04:14:11.100 You mean because women are asking men for more shit, essentially?

04:14:15.600 They're asking for more things?

04:14:17.400 More stuff?

04:14:17.820 No, I'm saying that you have to have power to oppress.

04:14:21.460 So the woman would have to be in a position of power to commit a sexist act against a man.

04:14:25.940 Yeah, so that means that women are coming...

04:14:27.600 They're not going to men for more stuff.

04:14:29.720 More things.

04:14:30.140 Dig Bick Energy donated $200.

04:14:32.360 So they're not going to him for jobs.

04:14:33.540 They're not going to him for loans.

04:14:35.100 They're not going to him for loans.

04:14:36.040 No, women are going to men for all those things.

04:14:37.560 The suddenness of the movement is scary.

04:14:40.000 So too is Andrew and other uncomfortable truths.

04:14:43.600 Love is often experienced as pain.

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04:14:49.300 Appreciate it.

04:14:50.220 Thank you.

04:14:50.860 Thank you.

04:14:51.580 Anyway, I thought that's what you just said, though.

04:14:54.000 Aren't we saying the same thing?

04:14:55.740 Okay, yeah.

04:14:56.440 Okay.

04:14:56.600 And women have to do that.

04:14:58.820 Women have to ask men for more things because historically, and like you said, like your

04:15:02.620 own beliefs, you think that women should have to ask men for more things.

04:15:05.840 Yeah, okay.

04:15:06.620 But that would have nothing to do with the other thing.

04:15:08.860 So even if I thought...

04:15:10.040 What do you mean the other thing?

04:15:10.540 Well, even if I thought, and it was my belief that all the things that you're saying should

04:15:14.560 happen, should happen.

04:15:16.020 That was what I actually believed.

04:15:17.800 Wouldn't make your descriptive claim that it is happening true.

04:15:20.600 So I don't even know why you brought that up.

04:15:21.880 It means nothing.

04:15:22.580 But back to your descriptive claim itself, women are going...

04:15:26.320 So your definition here, that's all I'm interested in, is that misandry only can exist if you're

04:15:33.520 in power over a man.

04:15:34.580 No, sexism only exists if you're in power over a man.

04:15:37.780 And then misandry is just hatred towards men.

04:15:39.320 Yes.

04:15:40.100 Okay.

04:15:40.600 So you're saying that women are not in positions to do that because they have no power over

04:15:44.480 men.

04:15:45.020 Yes.

04:15:45.380 What about sexual power?

04:15:46.320 Um, I'd say they have less, not that much sexual power over men either.

04:15:51.800 Really?

04:15:52.340 Can men abort your kids for you?

04:15:54.680 Seems like quite the power.

04:15:55.800 Actually, I don't think I would be performing my own abortion.

04:15:59.000 I think a man would be performing it.

04:16:00.280 Yeah, I know, but who has to make the choice?

04:16:02.460 Uh, me.

04:16:03.220 Yeah, you get to make the choice.

04:16:04.260 So when it comes to sexual power, don't women have more sexual power than men do?

04:16:08.940 The question was whether or not I think that men can experience sexism.

04:16:12.100 Yeah, but then we got to your definition, and that's what we're going off of, is your definition

04:16:16.200 of what is sexism, and you said, oh, what sexism is, you have to be in a position of

04:16:21.400 power in order to perform sexism.

04:16:23.400 Okay, so you're saying.

04:16:24.220 So if that's the case, women have sexual power, right?

04:16:26.600 So if a woman aborted her baby because her husband, and her husband didn't, or not her

04:16:30.640 husband, her boyfriend or whatever didn't want her to.

04:16:32.280 That's a huge amount of power.

04:16:33.840 You think that's an act of sexism?

04:16:36.060 Well, I'm saying by your definition, isn't that power?

04:16:40.640 Um, yeah.

04:16:42.140 Yeah, and isn't that being applied specifically to the opposite sex?

04:16:45.300 But it isn't an act of sexism because it wasn't on the basis of his gender, was it?

04:16:49.500 It was just she wanted to abort the baby.

04:16:51.240 That's actually how it was selected was on the basis of his sex.

04:16:54.240 Yeah, because otherwise he would have a say in the abortion, wouldn't he?

04:16:57.260 Well, they wouldn't have had a child because it would have been two women.

04:17:00.560 No, no, no.

04:17:01.320 What I'm saying to you is, is that it's selected that he's not allowed to have a decision

04:17:05.760 in it based on his sex.

04:17:06.980 Well, if he could become pregnant, then he could have a decision.

04:17:11.740 That's a skill issue.

04:17:12.820 Wait, wait, that's, that's really a strange, a strange way to go about it.

04:17:16.100 So, if he could become pregnant...

04:17:18.640 Then it would be his personal choice.

04:17:19.960 Then, by, by your, by your standard.

04:17:22.400 I just want to make sure.

04:17:23.280 So, if it's something which is inherent, if there's some type of like inherent distinction

04:17:27.720 or inherent, uh, difference, then it doesn't fall in the realm of sexism.

04:17:31.700 What?

04:17:33.380 I was saying if it's not on the basis of someone's gender or sex, then it's not sexism.

04:17:37.960 Okay, but that would be...

04:17:39.000 And that her aborting a baby is not on the basis of the opposite person's gender or sex.

04:17:42.320 It's on, it's...

04:17:43.040 I don't understand.

04:17:43.700 It's just something that...

04:17:44.740 Can any man make the decision for a female to have an abortion or not?

04:17:50.300 They, uh, legally, I don't think so.

04:17:53.600 No.

04:17:54.120 Yeah.

04:17:54.320 So, that seems like it's highly targeted towards a single sex then.

04:17:59.260 Um...

04:17:59.620 Yeah, but the women are the ones carrying the child and not the men.

04:18:02.040 Yeah, but why is that the relevant thing here?

04:18:04.540 That they're the ones carrying the children?

04:18:06.100 Why are you having sex with someone who wants abortions?

04:18:07.820 Why are you having sex with someone who wants abortions?

04:18:08.700 Okay, that's not like...

04:18:09.260 You guys can move on.

04:18:10.740 I think I made my point pretty clear.

04:18:11.940 Yeah, but...

04:18:12.300 Let's get the answer from everybody.

04:18:13.160 Okay.

04:18:14.020 All right.

04:18:14.260 What was the original question, even?

04:18:15.860 Okay, can you be sexist towards men?

04:18:20.660 This whole little argument, I don't know at this point.

04:18:23.640 I really don't know.

04:18:24.940 Well, hold on.

04:18:25.480 Okay.

04:18:25.860 Can you be sexist towards women?

04:18:27.400 I mean, yeah.

04:18:30.120 Well, why is it that you can answer affirmatively to that question, but not to the question...

04:18:34.400 Because it's just like how she said, like, can you be racist towards a white man?

04:18:39.400 Like...

04:18:39.800 Well, okay, okay.

04:18:41.180 I can get to that one later, but...

04:18:43.500 But, I mean, it's kind of like the same thing.

04:18:44.860 Fuck it.

04:18:44.880 Let's start right now.

04:18:46.400 Okay, starting with you, can you be racist...

04:18:48.840 We're going to forget right where we were at, though, but okay.

04:18:50.920 We'll come back.

04:18:51.720 Can you be racist towards white people?

04:18:53.340 You can...

04:18:55.340 Yes, you can discriminate against them based on the color of their skin.

04:18:59.220 However, like, the...

04:19:01.340 There's like...

04:19:02.300 Okay, what's your definition of racism?

04:19:06.340 Systematic disadvantages to a certain population or group based on their ethnic or national identity.

04:19:13.560 Okay.

04:19:14.220 I don't understand what's so painful about that.

04:19:16.020 So, no, you can't be racist towards white people.

04:19:20.380 No, I said you can be racist towards them, but it'll never be in the same, like, extent.

04:19:24.980 It won't be as bad.

04:19:27.340 It's like you can commit an act of racism, but it's not like...

04:19:31.800 There's no...

04:19:32.600 Okay.

04:19:33.060 Okay.

04:19:33.980 Are there...

04:19:34.540 Is there...

04:19:35.900 It's like what I was saying with sexism.

04:19:37.660 If the group that is perpetuating the action is not in power, then it doesn't make sense.

04:19:44.680 Can you be...

04:19:46.520 Hmm.

04:19:47.600 Can Asian people be racist towards black people?

04:19:51.840 Yes.

04:19:52.580 Can black people be racist towards Asian people?

04:19:56.080 Yes, but less so.

04:19:58.160 That's interesting.

04:19:59.180 Okay.

04:19:59.740 Because I'd say that the black American experience is very unique, whereas Asian people who experience

04:20:05.620 racism, a lot of them are immigrants and not...

04:20:06.900 Can black people be racist towards Native Americans?

04:20:08.860 Everybody's experience is unique.

04:20:10.660 Yeah.

04:20:10.940 Okay.

04:20:11.360 Yeah.

04:20:11.640 Yeah.

04:20:11.860 I mean, Japanese Americans were in internment camps.

04:20:13.920 Yeah, I'm aware.

04:20:14.940 Okay.

04:20:15.060 Yeah.

04:20:15.980 But what about that?

04:20:17.500 Like...

04:20:18.020 Okay.

04:20:18.540 Here, let's get everybody's answers.

04:20:19.800 I'm saying that societally, there's been a group that has experienced the most racism.

04:20:23.720 Cool, cool, cool.

04:20:24.200 Can you be racist towards white people?

04:20:25.920 The most?

04:20:26.980 Yes.

04:20:27.260 Hold on.

04:20:27.560 Hold on.

04:20:27.940 Go ahead.

04:20:28.580 Go ahead.

04:20:29.100 Go ahead.

04:20:30.920 Yes, you can make racist remarks.

04:20:33.240 No, no, no.

04:20:33.640 Can you be racist towards white people?

04:20:40.620 I don't...

04:20:41.500 Like, I don't know.

04:20:42.560 This is, like, something that I really, like, can't really speak on because I'm obviously

04:20:45.260 just uneducated and I don't really want to put myself in that position.

04:20:47.920 Well...

04:20:48.320 I'm just, like...

04:20:49.840 Can you be racist towards Asian people?

04:20:52.600 Yes, it happens every day.

04:20:54.040 Can you be racist towards black people?

04:20:55.480 It happens every day.

04:20:56.400 Can you be racist towards Latinos?

04:20:58.060 It happens every day.

04:20:59.160 Can you be racist towards Native Americans?

04:21:00.940 It happens every day.

04:21:01.800 You're asking things that happen all the time.

04:21:02.840 Can you be racist towards white people?

04:21:05.100 Like, I guess, yes.

04:21:06.040 In a sense, you can.

04:21:07.220 You can be...

04:21:07.720 Why are you so quick to affirmatively answer all those other questions?

04:21:12.340 But when it comes to racism towards white people, you're incapable of simply answering

04:21:16.760 the question.

04:21:18.960 Because I don't know the white experience.

04:21:21.000 I don't know.

04:21:21.920 Well, are you Latina?

04:21:24.580 Yes.

04:21:25.380 Are you Asian?

04:21:26.500 No.

04:21:26.940 Are you black?

04:21:27.860 No.

04:21:28.180 Are you Native American?

04:21:29.220 No.

04:21:29.460 So why were you able to answer on behalf of those other races?

04:21:32.860 Because it happens every day.

04:21:34.160 I've seen it personally happen a lot.

04:21:36.780 What if I told you racism happened against white people every day?

04:21:39.640 Would that sway you?

04:21:41.160 Well, then...

04:21:41.720 Is it the frequency?

04:21:42.020 Then I can't deny something that's a fact.

04:21:45.060 If it's happening, then how can I deny it?

04:21:48.200 Okay.

04:21:48.660 Well, then it's happening, so you don't deny it, right?

04:21:50.860 Okay.

04:21:51.380 There you go.

04:21:51.780 Okay, great.

04:21:53.200 Okay.

04:21:54.380 So can you be sexist towards men?

04:21:55.900 If it's happening, yes.

04:22:01.540 I don't really understand the answer to that.

04:22:04.020 Like, if that's what's going on, and people are being sexist towards men, then yes.

04:22:08.640 If people are belittling them, then yes.

04:22:10.680 But at the same time, I do agree with her statement that, like, if you are the majority,

04:22:15.280 it doesn't hit as hard.

04:22:16.660 Men aren't the majority.

04:22:18.000 Yes, it is still...

04:22:18.220 It's still sexist.

04:22:19.160 It's still racist.

04:22:19.860 It's still whatever it may be, but it doesn't hit as hard if you are the majority.

04:22:24.140 Well, men aren't the majority.

04:22:28.780 Oh, stay safe in the chat, yo.

04:22:31.200 Thank you for the big raid, man.

04:22:33.100 We're having a heated conversation about sexism and racism and...

04:22:39.460 Oh, yeah, really quick.

04:22:42.420 Yo, I hope you had a good stream.

04:22:43.580 Stay safe.

04:22:44.100 Appreciate the raid.

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04:22:54.920 Not right now.

04:22:56.200 Hope you had a good stream, man.

04:22:57.460 Hope, I don't know if you did Sunken Temple today.

04:22:59.720 Stay safe.

04:23:00.240 He's playing World of Warcraft Classic, Season of Discovery.

04:23:03.820 What a gig of chat.

04:23:04.440 Okay, really quick.

04:23:05.180 One World of Warcraft-related question for the table.

04:23:07.040 Would you date a guy who played a male human warlock?

04:23:20.740 Go ahead.

04:23:21.640 Go ahead, Renee.

04:23:22.460 Quick, quick, quick, quick.

04:23:24.300 Yes.

04:23:26.900 Yes?

04:23:27.420 I don't know.

04:23:28.460 No.

04:23:29.180 No, I'm confused.

04:23:30.680 I'm confused.

04:23:32.780 No.

04:23:33.980 No.

04:23:34.860 Like, he's playing Destruction Spec.

04:23:36.980 Oh, sure.

04:23:38.060 Yeah.

04:23:38.260 Who cares?

04:23:39.060 Like, he's like a gig of Chad pumper raider.

04:23:42.100 Yeah, I know.

04:23:42.460 Like, parses in the, like, 199 percentile.

04:23:44.420 You're not speaking English to us right now.

04:23:46.140 I don't understand.

04:23:47.220 What about you?

04:23:47.680 I guess.

04:23:47.900 Like, you down?

04:23:49.140 Sure.

04:23:49.780 Okay, cool.

04:23:51.300 Anyways, moving on.

04:23:52.260 Men can experience sexism.

04:23:53.640 Well, hold on.

04:23:54.320 We'll get to you.

04:23:56.240 White people can experience racism.

04:23:58.360 I don't know if you fully gave your answer.

04:23:59.780 Can you be sexist towards men?

04:24:01.160 Yes.

04:24:04.640 Wait, do you actually believe that, though, or are you just kind of like, all right, move

04:24:07.400 on?

04:24:07.660 I mean, why?

04:24:09.240 Yes, sure.

04:24:10.380 Go on.

04:24:10.480 Wait, yeah, sure, to the question I just asked you, or yeah, sure, you can be racist with them?

04:24:14.660 I mean, there's no point in giving my opinion when you're just going to go to the point that

04:24:21.640 you want.

04:24:22.300 You know what I mean?

04:24:24.820 So, what is your opinion?

04:24:26.980 I won't even debate you.

04:24:28.040 I just, I'll hear your opinion, and then I'll move on to the next person.

04:24:32.800 I don't know.

04:24:33.400 I won't even debate you.

04:24:34.380 But I've already said that I don't know.

04:24:36.820 Okay, that's fine.

04:24:37.820 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

04:24:40.640 Yeah, that's a good point.

04:24:41.480 White people are the minority in the world.

04:24:44.300 Some of my ancestors came over as indentured servants.

04:24:47.580 Do you know what that means?

04:24:49.500 You kids' understanding of history and culture is pathetic.

04:24:53.360 Oh.

04:24:54.120 Some of my ancestors came over and...

04:24:56.200 Well, the originating term of slave comes from...

04:25:00.820 Slavic.

04:25:02.440 White people were the OG slaves, I think.

04:25:04.940 Anyways, yo, Grid One Motorsports, thank you.

04:25:07.240 Really quick, we're going to continue on this thread.

04:25:09.060 Kyle Kelsey, dude, I don't know if you're still watching.

04:25:11.740 I need to tell you something.

04:25:13.200 Kyle, I mentioned this at the beginning of the show.

04:25:15.160 You super chatted last show, I believe, or a show before.

04:25:20.820 I think it was last show.

04:25:21.860 Yeah, and I missed it.

04:25:24.500 I'm very sorry.

04:25:27.260 Normally, we're very good with making sure we get every single Streamlabs message, every single super chat.

04:25:32.760 We missed one of yours.

04:25:34.440 If you want to DM me on Instagram, at whatever, we will...

04:25:38.640 If you want to just submit a message that I'll just treat as a super chat, we'll do that.

04:25:44.100 I apologize, Kyle, that we missed your super chat last show.

04:25:47.360 He says, the annoying blondie and the annoying 19-year-old makes me want to turn on Channel 1, 9, listen to Mud Duck out in the desert, stay safe on the sideways and byways.

04:25:58.480 Okay.

04:25:59.120 Thank you, Kyle Kelsey.

04:25:59.980 Shoot me a DM on Instagram, we'll get it.

04:26:01.480 We'll get you squared away.

04:26:03.580 Okay, we'll get the rest of the super chats a little bit later on.

04:26:06.460 So, can you be sexist towards men?

04:26:12.220 For the sexist and racist question, I think answers both is yes.

04:26:16.820 Okay.

04:26:17.980 Yes.

04:26:18.520 To both?

04:26:19.100 Yes.

04:26:20.020 Yes, to both.

04:26:22.220 Yes, obviously.

04:26:23.720 Yes.

04:26:24.420 Yes and yes.

04:26:26.320 Okay.

04:26:27.120 All right.

04:26:27.660 So, Renee's a little bit of an outlier here with her answer.

04:26:30.580 Well, there's, I'd say there's personal instances of racism and sexism and there's, as a whole, generally in society, racism and sexism.

04:26:39.800 They're phenomenons that we experience every day.

04:26:41.220 Let me ask you a question.

04:26:41.960 So, if there were hiring practices that are put in place by corporations that said to deprioritize white men in hiring and to hire people who are part of, quote unquote, minority groups,

04:26:56.780 somehow women are included in, I don't know how that works, but to prioritize hiring women and hiring people of color, would that be evidence of racism or sexism against white men?

04:27:09.240 It goes against the Civil Rights Act, I believe, right?

04:27:12.640 Or they're discriminating for employment.

04:27:14.700 So, you are familiar with, like, DEI practices and affirmative action?

04:27:18.420 Yeah, DEI and affirmative action, but you can't do that.

04:27:21.120 Which deprioritizes hiring white men.

04:27:23.640 But it's illegal, it's illegal to not hire them on a basis of race.

04:27:27.320 Doesn't stop it from happening.

04:27:29.140 Um, I would say that is an experience of racism.

04:27:31.580 Wait, so hold on.

04:27:31.760 Just to be clear, so.

04:27:33.380 Okay, okay.

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04:27:37.580 Nothing is ever a one-way street.

04:27:40.140 Everyone can experience racism or sexism.

04:27:43.460 You don't have to be white to realize this.

04:27:45.860 You don't have to be a murderer to know murder is real or wrong.

04:27:49.920 Happens to all.

04:27:51.220 Yo, Daily Dreaming, thank you, man.

04:27:52.540 Appreciate your patronage.

04:27:53.640 Uh, well put, well put.

04:27:55.340 Wait, so you said, well, it's illegal.

04:27:59.180 Well, isn't it illegal to pay men and women different wages?

04:28:04.560 Yeah.

04:28:07.280 So, so are you conceding, like, you don't believe in the wage gap then?

04:28:11.460 Um, I believe in it.

04:28:12.640 I'd never said that I didn't believe what you thought happened.

04:28:14.640 But I thought it's illegal.

04:28:15.620 It's illegal, so it can't possibly happen, right?

04:28:17.360 Okay, it can still happen.

04:28:18.840 Okay.

04:28:19.080 Yeah, definitely.

04:28:19.640 And I bet, I'm sure that there have been hiring practices against white people put into place for certain corporations.

04:28:26.040 But for many other corporations, they exclusively hire people they already know.

04:28:31.580 Um, so nepotism?

04:28:33.080 What's that have to do with race?

04:28:34.420 It does, because people feel comfortable around their own race.

04:28:37.000 Um, just like maybe an Asian company would only want to more so hire Asian, um, employees, they feel comfortable around their own race.

04:28:45.300 My question is.

04:28:46.120 And I understand that.

04:28:46.660 I'm just saying systematically over time, because white people have been in such a higher place of power, they've been able to do that and connect with their communities in a more comprehensive way than other races.

04:28:54.140 Why should we defer to the definition of racism being only institutional authority, rather than defer to a definition of racism?

04:29:01.840 I didn't defer to either one.

04:29:03.100 I acknowledged both of their existence, and I said, I delineated one of them, and I conceded that the other one doesn't exist.

04:29:09.880 Then if the other form of racism exists, aren't people just as capable, black, white, whatever, of being just as racist as the next person?

04:29:18.460 Yeah, okay, yeah, I'll concede that, but I'm just saying I don't want that to be used to belittle or demean, like, how much more I think systematic oppression is impactful versus these one-off acts of discrimination.

04:29:31.940 Although they do, are bad, and obviously I don't condone that.

04:29:34.840 Yeah, but how do you quantify systemic oppression?

04:29:38.040 You don't have to quantify it.

04:29:39.320 You can look at the historical examples.

04:29:41.180 You can look at laws.

04:29:41.700 That would be quantifying it.

04:29:43.680 It would be quantifying if you looked at the data.

04:29:46.080 There's statistics.

04:29:46.780 Yeah, so how would we quantify, and by what methodology would you use to quantify whether or not something was systemic racism or not?

04:29:56.640 That's not a quantifiable thing.

04:29:58.420 You'd have to use qualitative and quantifiable factors.

04:30:00.960 Okay, what qualitative and quantitative factors would you use?

04:30:04.320 Well, you'd probably have to do some poll research.

04:30:08.120 But that would just be, if you're polling, that would just be asking people how they felt, essentially, right?

04:30:13.020 Yeah, but isn't that what we're all doing?

04:30:15.060 Aren't you just asking me how I feel?

04:30:16.960 No, I'm asking you for your opinion, and if it's based around objective fact, instead of feelings, in fact.

04:30:21.900 Oh, whoa.

04:30:23.100 Facts over feelings.

04:30:24.360 Well, I told you that both exist.

04:30:27.140 I don't have a problem with admitting that.

04:30:28.860 Yeah, I know, but so back to this.

04:30:30.660 How would you go about trying to figure out how you would quantify what is systemic racism?

04:30:37.920 Because, like, for instance, you have to...

04:30:39.680 It's not quantifiable.

04:30:40.620 It's not quantifiable.

04:30:41.240 So it's just something that we know happened historically.

04:30:43.440 So it's just a feeling.

04:30:43.960 If you go to, no, if you go to history classes or political science classes...

04:30:46.320 Well, if it's not quantifiable, right, and it's not empirical, then how is it anything other than a feeling?

04:30:52.220 You said the thing about the patriarchy protecting women earlier, and you brought up the example of the Byzantine Empire.

04:30:57.300 Is that anything more than just a feeling?

04:30:58.720 There's no quantifiable evidence in that.

04:31:00.180 Yeah, but I wasn't looking for something which was quantified then.

04:31:02.700 We were giving you an example.

04:31:03.560 It's not looking at something that's quantified either.

04:31:05.180 How do you...

04:31:05.540 What unit would you even use to quantify systematic racism?

04:31:08.680 I don't know.

04:31:08.700 I'm asking you.

04:31:09.160 It's your definition.

04:31:10.180 Yeah, okay.

04:31:10.560 Money, years incarcerated, that kind of thing.

04:31:12.940 There you go.

04:31:13.600 So if you're just using years incarcerated, though...

04:31:15.680 Okay, here we go.

04:31:16.840 Oh, higher crime rate.

04:31:18.380 Mm-hmm.

04:31:18.840 There you go.

04:31:19.320 And the problem with that is...

04:31:21.340 I just already know what argument you're going to make, so I don't know why you're talking with me.

04:31:24.440 I'm guessing you have a great counter for it.

04:31:26.720 What's the actual definition?

04:31:28.540 Like, why aren't we pulling up actual definitions of words and then asking people's opinions instead of going on feelings?

04:31:32.560 People can't come up with whatever definition for whatever thing they want.

04:31:35.580 So why not just pull up the real definition?

04:31:37.640 There's no such thing as a real definition.

04:31:38.520 Do you think that slavery had zero lasting impact?

04:31:41.200 Like, do you think they just, after Reconstruction, they just made that...

04:31:44.140 I have to answer one question at a time.

04:31:45.640 Okay, but can you answer mine first?

04:31:46.940 As soon as I'm done answering hers.

04:31:47.600 Can you answer mine first?

04:31:48.780 Just give me one second.

04:31:50.080 Calm down, lady.

04:31:51.340 I'm just acting like he does.

04:31:52.660 Fice.

04:31:52.940 Fice.

04:31:53.120 Fice.

04:31:53.480 I mean, you wouldn't let her talk for like five minutes over here.

04:31:56.360 Because I was already in the middle of having a debate.

04:31:57.820 And we're in the middle of having a debate.

04:31:59.360 No, I was in the middle of having a debate with her.

04:32:01.460 And you just went...

04:32:02.560 But fine.

04:32:03.520 My attention's all focused on you.

04:32:05.440 What did you want?

04:32:06.240 I asked a question.

04:32:07.300 What was the question?

04:32:08.220 Loki, I forgot.

04:32:09.540 Great.

04:32:10.000 So back to this.

04:32:11.620 Now that you forgot your question.

04:32:13.300 Just saying that anybody come up with a definition of anything.

04:32:16.280 What makes this a cop?

04:32:21.320 That's just agreed upon or...

04:32:24.620 Couldn't we call it bubble gum?

04:32:25.860 I remember my question.

04:32:26.660 I mean, but then that throws every argument that you've put on the table out the door this entire time.

04:32:31.460 So if a person comes up with a definition, they might have a definition which deviates from whatever you find in the dictionary.

04:32:36.420 There is two plus two equals four.

04:32:38.300 Yes, I agree.

04:32:39.200 Always.

04:32:40.140 Someone can feel like it.

04:32:40.660 But that's a metaphysical truth, not a socially constructed one.

04:32:43.560 Yeah.

04:32:43.980 But what makes that a cup is metaphysical.

04:32:46.840 It's physical.

04:32:47.420 It's not social.

04:32:49.180 The glass is real.

04:32:50.700 The beer inside the glass is real.

04:32:52.380 What makes it a cup?

04:32:54.260 What makes it that?

04:32:55.240 That it's literally a cup.

04:32:57.620 Like it was made by a glass maker.

04:32:59.660 What makes it not a saucer?

04:33:02.660 It's literally a cup.

04:33:03.900 Like I don't...

04:33:04.800 Right.

04:33:05.280 You can...

04:33:05.760 It's a cup because it's a cup?

04:33:07.040 No, but like it's like explaining how do you explain the word do?

04:33:10.580 No, it's not.

04:33:11.280 It's not like that.

04:33:12.040 We're just talking about definition.

04:33:13.660 You make a definition.

04:33:14.980 Okay.

04:33:15.200 A person can make a definition for whatever they want.

04:33:18.140 And so...

04:33:18.640 I don't care about like opinion of a definition.

04:33:20.620 So how are you...

04:33:21.540 What is the literal definition?

04:33:23.440 Yeah, so you're just going to appeal to an authority though, right?

04:33:26.100 No, because things are definitive.

04:33:28.200 Like this is blue.

04:33:29.280 It's a cup.

04:33:29.760 What makes a social construction definitive?

04:33:32.020 It's sometimes cylindrical object that can contain fluids.

04:33:35.660 I think my question is relevant.

04:33:36.480 But that's a very stupid argument because at the end of the day...

04:33:39.440 No, for real.

04:33:40.300 It's trash.

04:33:41.080 No disrespect.

04:33:42.360 Well, that was disrespect.

04:33:43.420 I'm sorry.

04:33:43.620 You think that definitions are objective?

04:33:47.880 No, like a cup is a cup.

04:33:50.000 And if you're going to ask somebody what their opinion of a cup is...

04:33:52.060 Yeah, but what makes it a cup?

04:33:53.060 If someone can't say, oh, well, it might be a cat.

04:33:55.020 Like what is the...

04:33:55.820 Okay, fine.

04:33:56.860 What is the definition of sexism?

04:33:59.080 I'll tell you what then.

04:33:59.580 If that's true.

04:34:00.500 And then let people give their opinions based on their understanding.

04:34:02.940 If they're going based on something that's in the clouds they don't even have any understanding of,

04:34:06.580 this is a completely waste of a conversation.

04:34:08.320 Yeah, you have to define terms when you're going to have a discussion.

04:34:11.680 Define chair.

04:34:12.280 I'm not here.

04:34:12.640 We're not discussing chairs.

04:34:14.280 Define a chair.

04:34:14.920 You asked the question about sexism.

04:34:15.920 Define a chair.

04:34:17.000 That's a stupid question.

04:34:17.940 A chair is literally an inanimate object that you can sit on.

04:34:22.320 Does it have to have four legs?

04:34:23.860 I mean, a chair can have four legs.

04:34:25.760 It can have three.

04:34:26.380 It depends on the structure of the chair.

04:34:27.860 What makes it a cushion then?

04:34:29.220 Not a chair.

04:34:29.860 Or a couch versus a chair.

04:34:31.080 Or whatever.

04:34:32.080 Look, I'm not a cushion or a chair connoisseur, okay?

04:34:35.660 Pull up the definition of a chair and then we'll discuss what a chair is.

04:34:40.840 What I'm saying to you, what makes the definition that you pull up of the chair an authority on what a chair is?

04:34:46.360 What makes the definition correct?

04:34:48.340 The inventor.

04:34:49.120 I don't know.

04:34:49.600 The inventor.

04:34:50.040 Pull up the guy who originally invented chairs and then we'll talk about what he made chairs to be.

04:34:55.540 So you're appealing to an authority, which is fallacious.

04:34:57.860 That's my point.

04:34:58.480 I appeal to authorities.

04:34:59.780 So you're just a walking fallacy?

04:35:01.500 No, I'm a woman.

04:35:03.360 So you're just a walking fallacy?

04:35:04.620 I just always appeal to authority when I make arguments?

04:35:06.880 No.

04:35:07.120 No.

04:35:07.340 There is right and there's wrong.

04:35:09.460 Two plus two equals four.

04:35:10.400 You can't just say, oh, well, someone feels like two plus two equals five.

04:35:13.900 It's going to equal five.

04:35:14.720 No.

04:35:15.300 Like you're sitting here asking questions.

04:35:17.040 It's not a fair – like you're asking a question.

04:35:20.180 Can this person – can someone be sexist to men?

04:35:23.160 Okay.

04:35:23.500 I said yes.

04:35:24.240 She said, you know, many things.

04:35:25.600 At the end of the day, bring up the actual definition of what you –

04:35:30.180 What makes that the definitive definition other than appealing to the authority that it is?

04:35:34.380 Then give your definition.

04:35:35.740 That's what she was doing.

04:35:37.320 That's what I asked her to do and you have a problem with it.

04:35:39.660 No, because it's not – it's like a waste of a back and forth.

04:35:43.420 It's not a waste.

04:35:43.700 There's no definitive yes or no.

04:35:46.000 Like if you can't sit down and prove this is where I'm getting my ideology from,

04:35:49.880 this is where I'm getting my standpoint from,

04:35:51.920 then everyone's just sitting here talking about feelings and it's going in circles.

04:35:54.760 It's like, bro, do you get headaches?

04:35:56.220 Cool.

04:35:56.820 So the word cool –

04:35:58.420 My smoke starts.

04:35:59.380 The word cool can mean cold or it can mean awesome

04:36:02.500 or it can mean all sorts of different shit other than the word cool.

04:36:05.740 Okay, and context matters.

04:36:06.000 Yeah, but not just that.

04:36:08.080 Definitions themselves.

04:36:09.460 If you say, look, I only use this dictionary definition of this thing.

04:36:14.600 Fine.

04:36:15.120 We can do that.

04:36:16.040 But what if somebody has a different definition than what the dictionary is?

04:36:18.960 What makes the dictionary right?

04:36:20.120 Then pull that up and talk about it.

04:36:21.140 Pull up the different variations.

04:36:22.840 Pull up the different variations of the actual word.

04:36:25.240 You're not answering my question.

04:36:26.380 You're just talking.

04:36:27.120 No, because you're saying what makes that right?

04:36:29.160 Pull up the different variations of the word

04:36:30.540 and then discuss the difference between them.

04:36:32.120 What makes the dictionary definition correct?

04:36:35.020 You need something to go by.

04:36:35.400 You're going in the clouds right now.

04:36:37.020 A person coming up with their own definition, something to go by.

04:36:40.700 So what makes the dictionary definition correct?

04:36:42.360 You can't say when I'm saying apple, I really mean orange,

04:36:44.920 or you're not going to be able to actually have conversations.

04:36:46.800 It's a concept fallacy.

04:36:48.000 But if you were to say, I call this a la flip-a-doo,

04:36:50.560 and I call this a doodoodle, and this is the apple, and this is the orange,

04:36:55.100 we still know what we're talking about.

04:36:56.040 I think what's happening with a lot of the progressive ideology

04:36:59.120 is they're actually redefining terms,

04:37:02.220 and then when they're describing what they are describing as racism or sexism or murder,

04:37:07.220 they've actually tried to redefine it with their own new invented definition of what that is.

04:37:12.600 And I think what Keisha's saying is, can you lay out what your definition is

04:37:17.440 so that she can juxtapose it to yours?

04:37:19.000 That's exactly what we were doing when I asked her her definition.

04:37:22.340 That's literally what we were doing.

04:37:23.920 You asked her hers.

04:37:25.300 Keisha's saying, can you tell hers?

04:37:28.000 Because we're going off of hers.

04:37:30.620 He's not understanding it.

04:37:31.580 No, not only am I understanding, I'll still manage it.

04:37:33.900 Can you say yours so that we've heard hers?

04:37:36.180 Why would my definition mean anything when we're asking a question about her belief?

04:37:42.720 Absolutely, because you're debating with her,

04:37:44.720 so you should define what sexism is to you.

04:37:47.680 She's defined it, what it is to her,

04:37:49.360 and then that would actually explain some of the miscommunications happening.

04:37:53.440 There's no miscommunication happening.

04:37:55.480 Nobody was confused except you.

04:37:57.300 Actually, there is miscommunication because I think too many of the progressives...

04:37:59.760 Because you're confused and you're confused, but we were never confused.

04:38:02.880 Excuse me, excuse me, stop.

04:38:03.520 You're excused.

04:38:04.160 No, stop.

04:38:04.800 No, you stop.

04:38:05.500 The reason is...

04:38:07.920 You're so fucking low IQ, I can barely talk to you.

04:38:10.180 You don't even know what a definition is.

04:38:12.300 It's just insane.

04:38:12.540 No, here's the actual problem.

04:38:13.720 If you were to actually attack it at their definition,

04:38:16.320 you could destroy their argument immediately.

04:38:18.860 Yeah.

04:38:19.280 That's why I asked her for the definition to destroy her argument.

04:38:21.940 The problem is you're not actually disputing it with what the correct definition is,

04:38:26.040 and that's what Keisha's trying to point you and clue you in on.

04:38:28.180 What is the correct definition?

04:38:29.900 Yeah, tell her what it is so she can see that she...

04:38:33.120 What would make that definition correct?

04:38:36.820 Oh my god.

04:38:37.780 Look, you...

04:38:38.520 Yes, you can be racist and sexist towards white people and men.

04:38:42.420 You can be racist and sexist towards a white man.

04:38:44.400 I concede.

04:38:45.140 My other definition is something that I feel like they teach us in school.

04:38:48.280 And that's wrong because they're redefining terms.

04:38:51.520 Like, racism always meant...

04:38:52.980 There's always been two meanings in the dictionary for both of them, though.

04:38:56.880 Under the true original definition of racism, absolutely, everyone is capable.

04:39:03.100 You can be racist against a white person.

04:39:04.800 I think the problem is the progressives, they've decided we're just going to now redefine what

04:39:10.700 racism is, and then in their new definition of it, they're excluding white people, and

04:39:15.760 they're saying it has to be...

04:39:16.880 Because they're turning into the definition saying there has to be a power imbalance, right?

04:39:22.520 So they're redefining what racism is.

04:39:25.160 And I think that's the point here is if you talk about, no, the only true definition of

04:39:29.980 racism is discriminating against somebody based on their race, period.

04:39:34.440 Because if you said that, I would have ceded that, yes, you can do that.

04:39:37.480 By definition, racism.

04:39:39.680 Okay, and I think that's the definition we're going off because we're not acknowledging their

04:39:43.280 other...

04:39:43.680 Because what they're actually doing is they're merging together what they believe was originally

04:39:47.660 systemic racism.

04:39:48.820 They've just merged that into just generalized racism.

04:39:50.880 I literally don't care how they define a thing.

04:39:56.400 I want to know how they define it so that I can get into the argument and destroy the

04:40:00.580 argument.

04:40:01.400 That's why I'm asking for the definition.

04:40:02.540 So you want to cause chaos instead of...

04:40:04.160 That's not chaos.

04:40:05.340 That's the opposite.

04:40:06.300 That would be order destroying an argument and replacing it would be order.

04:40:08.760 See how when I defined racism, she was able to concede and say, well, yes, you can be racist

04:40:13.960 She can concede to your definition, but I would still like to know what she means by institutional

04:40:18.300 racism, how we quantify that, and why we should cede to that definition to begin with.

04:40:23.460 I don't even need to give a counter definition in order to go into the worldview.

04:40:26.520 It's called an internal critique.

04:40:28.140 People do it all the time.

04:40:29.440 It's fine to do one.

04:40:30.360 People have definitions.

04:40:31.500 You can internally critique those definitions.

04:40:33.640 Appealing to a dictionary definition doesn't mean it's the correct definition.

04:40:37.240 So she has to explain her argument.

04:40:38.860 You don't have to explain her.

04:40:39.320 She made the argument.

04:40:41.320 So yes.

04:40:42.880 Yes.

04:40:43.280 He doesn't have to explain his argument.

04:40:45.040 When you make an argument, I don't have to do anything but internally critique it because

04:40:49.880 it's your position.

04:40:51.000 Yes.

04:40:51.480 That's right.

04:40:52.320 That's correct.

04:40:53.060 Do you believe that Reconstruction was done perfectly?

04:40:56.840 What do you mean by Reconstruction?

04:40:59.380 After the Emancipation Proclamation passed.

04:41:03.500 Well, and then perfect.

04:41:05.320 What do you mean by perfect?

04:41:07.540 I'm sorry?

04:41:08.460 What do you mean by perfect?

04:41:09.780 When did I say perfect?

04:41:10.900 You said was Reconstruction done perfect.

04:41:12.400 Oh.

04:41:13.200 Oh, yeah.

04:41:14.480 Um, was it done in a way so that we currently have no systematic injustice, discrimination,

04:41:22.020 racism against black people?

04:41:24.200 No, I would say that there might be some.

04:41:26.400 Okay.

04:41:27.060 So, you didn't even obliterate my argument.

04:41:29.860 In fact, you somewhat agreed with it a tiny little tiny bit.

04:41:31.700 No, all I did was answer a question.

04:41:33.520 Okay.

04:41:34.420 Well.

04:41:34.680 So, yeah, so there might be some, but that doesn't mean that there's more than there

04:41:39.120 is against any other race.

04:41:40.320 It doesn't mean that there's less or more than there are against whites.

04:41:43.580 It doesn't mean that there's less or more than there are against this or that.

04:41:46.720 All I did was say, sure, I can grant that.

04:41:48.260 But I said it in the contents of Reconstruction.

04:41:50.500 And?

04:41:51.080 After slavery.

04:41:52.340 And?

04:41:52.780 There could still be overhaul systems, but there could be other factors which lead to

04:41:56.580 other races being more racially profiled, perhaps, or more systems against them.

04:42:00.260 I don't think that any other race has experienced a worse, not cleavage, but historical acts

04:42:06.960 than black Americans in America?

04:42:08.560 Native Americans had a pretty awful time.

04:42:10.680 Yeah, they did.

04:42:11.280 And I'd say that they're, yeah, but besides that, can't you say that definitively then

04:42:17.220 they, in society, experience a general level of inequality that is higher than a white person?

04:42:22.380 Not right now.

04:42:22.700 That's a different argument, asking it then and now.

04:42:25.300 Well, I asked you if you thought Reconstruction was perfect and.

04:42:28.860 Yeah, but when you said perfect, all you did was say that you would admit that there could

04:42:32.700 possibly be inequalities even now.

04:42:34.480 And I would say, sure, there could be.

04:42:36.680 Is there inequalities even now?

04:42:37.800 I don't know.

04:42:38.280 Just name one.

04:42:39.720 Planned Parenthood targeting black communities?

04:42:42.980 That would not be an inequality that's done from the government level.

04:42:46.800 That would be an institutional progressive lobbying group.

04:42:49.820 Redlining?

04:42:50.240 That's doing that, yeah.

04:42:51.320 Well, it would be a progressive lobbying group that's doing that.

04:42:54.080 The government's not forcing blacks to have abortions.

04:42:56.580 Okay, but we elected the government.

04:43:00.420 Okay, so.

04:43:01.020 You elected who?

04:43:01.980 You elected people who forced blacks to have abortions or?

04:43:04.760 Is the institutions in the government actually targeting specific races?

04:43:10.600 Is that the question?

04:43:12.540 I think in that particular case she's asking yes.

04:43:15.300 If Planned Parenthood itself, well, that was her argument.

04:43:17.600 Any or any institution within the United States is targeting specific races of people?

04:43:22.640 Yeah.

04:43:23.180 Okay, well, the answer is yes.

04:43:24.600 That definitely does happen.

04:43:26.460 That happens with black people.

04:43:28.040 It happens with, now, like I said, racism and sexism can happen with.

04:43:30.000 That's what I just said.

04:43:30.900 It happens to all sorts of different races.

04:43:33.260 I'm not willing to concede immediately that it happens more to one group than another.

04:43:36.660 That's why I asked for specifics.

04:43:38.340 Well, I was about to give a specific.

04:43:41.000 I was about to tell you a specific.

04:43:42.040 I'm not, like I said, racism can happen to anybody, but, for example, human trafficking,

04:43:48.760 for example, if, I think someone, I was doing an interview with someone running for Congress,

04:43:55.160 and they said where four children will go missing of brown, white, black background,

04:44:02.700 at least 5,000 indigenous women and children will go missing, and DHS is involved in this.

04:44:10.220 Family courts are involved in this.

04:44:12.040 Immigration is involved in this.

04:44:14.760 Like, a bunch of different agencies from the government are actually involved in trafficking

04:44:20.340 minority children.

04:44:21.520 So, there is.

04:44:22.840 We got to steer clear on this.

04:44:24.540 Okay.

04:44:24.820 Well, there's a lot of, what my point is, there is a lot of government agencies that

04:44:28.260 do target minorities.

04:44:29.540 White people can get racism as well, but there is government agencies involved in a lot of

04:44:36.640 stuff.

04:44:36.720 Do you think they target white people by kind of shutting down any argument by basically

04:44:41.860 saying, you can't even have a say in this, you're white?

04:44:45.180 I mean, I've heard people do that.

04:44:47.980 I mean, you're kind of, like, scoffing, but if you can't.

04:44:50.600 Yeah, you're not in the government.

04:44:52.080 In this conversation, yeah, probably, but not in the government.

04:44:54.780 No, but what I'm saying is, if you're basically negating somebody's perspective purely based

04:44:58.300 on their race, and they can't even have a perspective on it, isn't that kind of racist?

04:45:03.660 I never said anyone.

04:45:04.440 Nobody ever said anyone was negating anyone's perspective.

04:45:07.700 Wait, like, were you not here for all the riots that happened, where the government, inside

04:45:12.900 these major metropolitan areas, literally cleared their police forces out so that people could

04:45:17.400 riot, loot, destroy, take over whole city blocks, things like that?

04:45:21.280 Pretty fucking institutional, I must say.

04:45:23.640 But that's not actively discriminating against white people.

04:45:26.900 That's pretty actively discriminating against a certain group, again, by involving another

04:45:32.840 group to go and commit violence against them.

04:45:33.740 Traced my family hundreds of years.

04:45:36.060 We're Irish.

04:45:37.380 We were slaves.

04:45:38.920 Do we have records of who profited slash owned slaves in the U.S.?

04:45:43.200 Why are all, and only, white people held responsible?

04:45:46.980 Also, you know, when you look at the slave trade, too, we're also some of the first to end it.

04:45:51.620 So, we're always held responsible for that as well.

04:45:54.880 Well, I also think it's interesting that the generalization to say, you know, we hear a

04:46:01.020 lot of times leftists blaming all white people for this, that, and the other, and the reality

04:46:06.140 is as many people even that live in the United States that are white, their family immigrated

04:46:12.920 here much later than slavery, right?

04:46:16.440 So, how would you hold them responsible for things that happen?

04:46:19.620 I don't think we have to hold them responsible at all.

04:46:21.900 They're just benefiting from the institutional power.

04:46:23.520 No, no, no, no, no, no.

04:46:25.040 And how do we, how do we figure out?

04:46:25.060 No, and I don't disagree, and I don't, and I don't, I mean, what's it called?

04:46:29.200 And I don't immediately disagree with white people just on the basis that they're white.

04:46:32.560 I don't think that either of those are.

04:46:34.100 No, I don't think you necessarily, I was, like, extrapolating something that happens

04:46:38.500 more generally.

04:46:39.260 So, it's basically like, oh, you can't have an opinion because you weren't impacted by

04:46:44.500 it.

04:46:44.800 And that kind of happens with men on certain topics, like, you don't have a uterus, shut

04:46:48.140 up.

04:46:48.580 Or you weren't involved, you weren't a slave, so you can't, you don't know what it's like

04:46:52.420 to be affected by racism.

04:46:54.360 As if people who aren't that exact thing, then they can't have an opinion.

04:47:00.620 I think that's what I was talking, I wasn't saying specifically you.

04:47:02.920 So, yeah, I, I don't know, I think they're, I think it's pretty common for, I see what

04:47:11.280 you mean from some communities, definitely, probably, like, shutting down white people's

04:47:16.160 opinions, but I think, I don't know, I don't think it's gotten to, like, a systematic level

04:47:22.100 yet where they're, like, afraid to express them in public.

04:47:25.620 I guess maybe they are, yeah.

04:47:26.020 I know a lot of people are kind of afraid to express things.

04:47:27.780 They get depersoned if they express the wrong opinion.

04:47:30.400 What do you mean?

04:47:30.860 They get thrown off of all media, they get completely, I mean, they get debanked, they

04:47:35.400 get, yeah, I would say that there's a pretty institutional drive at this point that's pretty

04:47:40.640 hard to ignore.

04:47:42.520 I think that's heavier against Christians, though.

04:47:44.300 I think Christians are some of the most persecuted people in the planet.

04:47:47.160 So you think it's, you think it's wrong to shut down and oppress other people's opinions?

04:47:51.980 No, I'm making a point, a specific point about institutional, about institutional power.

04:47:57.220 Because he doesn't think I should have an opinion on who's president.

04:47:59.820 Which we all know it's going to be Trump, I'm going to be voting for Trump.

04:48:03.220 I don't understand why it's hard for you to make a disassociation between arguments.

04:48:07.620 Trump 2024, everybody vote for Trump.

04:48:08.840 So if you're making a disassociation with an argument, I can hold an argument in my mind

04:48:14.880 without conceding that it's true.

04:48:18.000 I can argue a thing without ceding it's true or false.

04:48:21.560 I can run an internal critique without ever ceding it's true or false.

04:48:25.420 Making the argument that you're wrong is not making the argument that I hold that value.

04:48:31.480 I don't know why you have had a hard time with that all night.

04:48:34.500 There's no performative contradictions to anything that I've said.

04:48:37.760 Me saying that there can be, by her definition, institutional authorities which discriminate

04:48:41.980 against people in no way, shape, or form negates me saying that limiting women's suffrage

04:48:47.400 would be good for society.

04:48:48.500 That's not what you were talking about just now.

04:48:50.420 You were talking about racism.

04:48:52.020 No, you were talking about racism.

04:48:54.160 I'm running an internal critique.

04:48:56.300 Okay, you weren't even talking about, you were talking about racism and how you think

04:49:02.480 that, you know, isn't it wrong to basically shut down white people, for example, having

04:49:08.460 a say in a matter that they aren't.

04:49:09.460 It's an internal critique.

04:49:12.120 It's an internal critique.

04:49:13.980 It's not me giving any actual, like, here's my opinion, here's what I think on it.

04:49:21.400 It's literally just running a criticism on her argument.

04:49:25.080 I think it's wrong.

04:49:25.760 Everyone should have a say in these things and be able to speak on these things.

04:49:29.200 No one should be trying to, you know, say you can't say certain words because we all

04:49:33.160 have freedom of speech, which is in the Constitution, which you don't believe in, but I know, you

04:49:36.800 know, most Americans do believe in that.

04:49:38.300 The right to free speech.

04:49:39.600 Okay, great.

04:49:40.280 You know, that's a great segue.

04:49:41.540 So you think that there's a right to free speech?

04:49:45.540 Really?

04:49:46.740 You really think that?

04:49:49.120 We have the Constitution, which has the First Amendment.

04:49:52.540 The piece of paper.

04:49:53.100 Which refrains our government from interfering and infringing on our right to free speech.

04:50:00.260 Yeah.

04:50:00.380 Are they doing that with Mr. Jones right now, do you think?

04:50:04.000 Or do you think that they're impeding his free speech, his rights?

04:50:07.640 Alex Jones?

04:50:08.600 Mm-hmm.

04:50:10.040 Would you say that the government's impeding his free speech?

04:50:13.400 I would say, I mean, you'd have to define, like, what...

04:50:18.340 The First Amendment.

04:50:19.180 No, no, no.

04:50:19.800 I hear what you're saying.

04:50:20.860 You're talking about a civil lawsuit that happened, right?

04:50:25.280 Which I believe the accusation was, was it slander or defamation, right?

04:50:32.460 His speech, nobody's came and put a muzzle over his mouth.

04:50:36.740 Like, he technically can say whatever he wants at this point in time.

04:50:39.840 But the thing is, is if I went out there and I said something about, like, you know, something not true about the whatever podcasts say, I could be liable for that, right?

04:50:50.760 So I can't actually...

04:50:52.120 So I'm not saying whether what he said was true or not.

04:50:55.300 I'm not making an argument in that statement.

04:50:57.020 Well, what I'm saying is that, is it an inherent right, meaning, is this something which can be taken from you?

04:51:07.520 Arbitrarily, for no reason given.

04:51:09.240 No, your speech, your First Amendment, you have a First Amendment right.

04:51:12.940 Let's say, okay, so let me try to phrase it the best way I can.

04:51:15.740 Let's assume another country came in and just, like, butchered all of our menfolk.

04:51:19.620 They just gunned them all down with machine guns and left all the womenfolk and said, none of you bitches got free speech anymore.

04:51:25.280 That's what they said.

04:51:26.100 They're like, none of you bitches, no more free speech ever.

04:51:29.060 Do you have it or not?

04:51:32.900 No.

04:51:33.620 No.

04:51:33.920 The right does not exist absent enforcement.

04:51:37.780 No right exists absent enforcement.

04:51:39.580 That's the point of my argument.

04:51:41.480 Now, that's actually my argument.

04:51:43.300 Now, right now, you can run an internal critique, and you don't even have to agree or give me a position to run one.

04:51:49.560 Go ahead.

04:51:50.920 Okay, so your opinion is because at any moment, your rights can be taken from you, therefore, you don't have rights.

04:51:56.360 They're not inherent, meaning they don't exist absent the mind.

04:52:00.400 You and I, we can all agree at the table.

04:52:02.980 We should all have free speech and then act as though we should, and so we will.

04:52:07.100 So all rights are inherent.

04:52:09.020 No, no rights.

04:52:09.900 No rights are inherent.

04:52:10.760 Okay, so what about free will, then?

04:52:12.220 Is that not a right that God gave us?

04:52:13.580 That's not a right.

04:52:15.000 It's part of your ontology.

04:52:16.680 It's part of your being that you have free will.

04:52:19.040 You're created with this thing.

04:52:20.400 That's different than saying that there's an arbitrary right, which you have, the right to own a gun.

04:52:25.440 Or let's take the Second Amendment, right?

04:52:27.520 Or not the Second Amendment, Third Amendment.

04:52:29.660 So the Second Amendment is a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of the free state, the right of the people to keep in bear arms should not be infringed, right?

04:52:35.860 Bam.

04:52:36.100 Now, Third Amendment, we're talking about housing.

04:52:39.200 I believe that that is, the government can't come in, take over your house during wartime, okay?

04:52:43.660 They're not allowed to do that.

04:52:46.600 They can do that.

04:52:48.000 They have done that.

04:52:49.340 And there's not really fucking anything you can do about it.

04:52:52.060 Rights can be suspended.

04:52:54.000 Rights can be given.

04:52:55.160 Rights can be taken away because rights are only as good as the enforcement arm of who gives you the right.

04:53:01.020 The second you make the bold claim, I have these rights, and they're just mine because I was born with them, then you would have to show me where those rights exist absent enforcement.

04:53:11.000 So then what gives you the right to be the head of the household?

04:53:14.260 Enforcement.

04:53:15.060 Oh, okay.

04:53:15.820 So your rights to be the head of the household aren't because of God commanding it, but because you have the physical brute force to subject a woman to force submission.

04:53:25.780 Because ultimately, the overarching in society is going to come down to force.

04:53:31.720 I can say that there's an ontological order that I ought to be the head of the household absent force.

04:53:37.520 That's great for an ought claim.

04:53:39.180 But the truth is, the descriptor is that I'm only ever going to have as much power inside of the household or inside of anywhere as I can enforce.

04:53:48.980 And so are you, and so are you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and everybody.

04:53:52.800 Enforce or like force?

04:53:54.020 Because like my father never—

04:53:55.440 Force and force are essentially the same dynamic.

04:53:58.640 Well, I've never, like my father's never forced me to do anything, but I submit by my own free will.

04:54:02.620 But I see the love of God in him, and he has shown me an example in my everyday life that I can trust him as the leader of our house.

04:54:12.420 And so—

04:54:12.740 Absolutely.

04:54:13.380 Like women, the first person that they learn to interact with, like to love opposite sex, obviously their father.

04:54:19.740 My father says, you have to teach that daughter or your children.

04:54:23.400 You have to show them in your example that you have to trust them and that they're worthy of that respect and that they're valuable to your life.

04:54:30.300 I guess I understand what you're saying, but it misses the broader point, which is that if people came into your house to do harm to you, your father protects you from that, right?

04:54:39.660 Yeah, of course.

04:54:40.440 Of course.

04:54:41.220 He uses force to do so, right?

04:54:43.480 So all this relationship and everything you have and anything you think you have a right to with your father is really still going to boil down to what can and can't be enforced.

04:54:52.340 Well, let's say he shows in his actions that he is a man of God, and he is strong and capable, and he's going to protect me and provide for me.

04:54:59.720 And so I see in that everyday action in my relationship with him that, yes, I can trust you as that authority.

04:55:06.260 Yeah, but this misses the point, though, of enforcement, that your rights, your actual rights, what you consider a right to be, is really only going to come down to how much you can enforce or not enforce that right, period.

04:55:19.160 That's why you have to have guns.

04:55:21.020 Yes.

04:55:21.680 Great.

04:55:22.380 Awesome.

04:55:23.000 That's actually a good argument for me.

04:55:25.060 Yes, that's why you need to have guns, because that helps to equalize force for rights.

04:55:29.720 But it really does always come down to force, and there's no way to get around that.

04:55:34.080 That is a descriptive truth of objective reality.

04:55:38.800 Force is what determines rights.

04:55:40.400 Rights don't exist.

04:55:41.200 They're a construct of the mind.

04:55:42.580 It's great.

04:55:42.820 We can agree on things, and we can act as though these things are true, but they're not really true.

04:55:48.080 They're just products of the brain.

04:55:49.180 Should Christian men be trying to follow the ways of Jesus Christ and God?

04:55:55.400 I got to move on.

04:55:56.600 I got to move on.

04:55:57.600 Does God use force?

04:55:59.180 Yes.

04:56:00.160 There it is.

04:56:00.760 Okay.

04:56:01.040 Okie dokie.

04:56:02.160 These women never had their ideologies.

04:56:03.680 Remember when he blew up Sodom and Gomorrah?

04:56:05.580 But he also gives us free will.

04:56:07.240 Yeah, I agree with that, too.

04:56:08.300 These women never had their ideologies thoroughly challenged before.

04:56:11.520 You were doing God's work, Andrew.

04:56:12.920 Also, Gustavo, like you cut G.

04:56:16.000 Ask the panel what they think of mandatory conscription for men only.

04:56:20.500 We need to get through a bunch of chats, guys, so if you can, allow us to get through the chats, answer the questions.

04:56:25.580 But let's try to be brief.

04:56:28.540 I understand the biological argument.

04:56:30.860 However, I wouldn't be mad if a woman had to get drafted, too.

04:56:34.600 Okay.

04:56:35.640 Would you go?

04:56:37.260 No, I would go to jail.

04:56:38.640 I would take the jail time.

04:56:40.540 I kind of figured.

04:56:41.740 But I'd do the same if I was a man.

04:56:44.000 Okay.

04:56:46.320 Conscript those bitches, just not me.

04:56:47.940 What do you think of men?

04:56:48.720 You're out of frame.

04:56:54.800 You're out of frame.

04:56:55.280 Go ahead.

04:56:55.880 I agree with her.

04:56:58.140 Okay.

04:56:59.660 I don't think women should be drafted.

04:57:04.900 I mean, I wouldn't want to be drafted, so I'm going to say no.

04:57:07.740 I think it would be a very bad idea if women were drafted just coming from a standpoint of trying to protect your country.

04:57:19.560 I don't think women should be drafted.

04:57:21.460 At least at the bare minimum, if they were, it should not be combat roles.

04:57:28.780 I don't want women to be conscripted.

04:57:31.280 I mean, like I said earlier, I don't really see the big problem with it.

04:57:34.640 I think that there are different roles that would best fit.

04:57:38.880 Okay.

04:57:39.440 We have David Treziak.

04:57:41.180 Thank you, man.

04:57:41.640 Chair 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

04:57:44.980 Great debaters.

04:57:45.740 I thought Andrew was related to Owen and Luke Wilson.

04:57:48.880 Okay.

04:57:49.220 Love this debate.

04:57:50.060 British thing, please.

04:57:51.840 Appreciate the debate.

04:57:52.980 British thing, please.

04:57:54.080 I'm a little confused.

04:57:55.020 You wanted the TTS.

04:57:55.560 Because they have that.

04:57:56.600 Don't they have like that town square where they go and they all yell at each other in the town square?

04:58:01.660 I don't remember where that is.

04:58:02.720 Specifically like Christians debating Muslims.

04:58:04.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:58:05.120 Yeah, yeah.

04:58:06.020 All right.

04:58:07.100 We have some super chats here.

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04:58:24.800 Second girl in black next to Andrew's based.

04:58:27.000 I like Andrew.

04:58:27.800 He tells the truth.

04:58:28.560 These women need to actually listen to the first girl is actually brainwashed.

04:58:34.760 Holy shoot.

04:58:35.840 Blondie's a fake conservative.

04:58:37.560 As a former cop answers the gun is alarming.

04:58:41.780 Ladies get a gun.

04:58:42.700 Jesus.

04:58:43.260 Okay.

04:58:43.820 Yeah.

04:58:44.040 She's been awesome all night.

04:58:45.480 All right.

04:58:46.120 Thank you.

04:58:46.480 Heron.

04:58:46.640 We have Ben George.

04:58:48.820 Why is it so hard for her to admit racism against white people as a thing?

04:58:52.140 Because our education system and media is systemically racist against white people and systemically sexist towards especially white men.

04:59:00.920 Your quick response to that.

04:59:03.300 I'm white.

04:59:05.520 Do you collect?

04:59:06.160 Well, you're half, right?

04:59:07.340 I'm half white.

04:59:07.680 You're half Asian, half white?

04:59:09.040 Yes.

04:59:09.640 What are you?

04:59:10.860 Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Laos, Vietnamese?

04:59:13.100 I'm Chinese, specifically from Hong Kong.

04:59:15.820 My mom.

04:59:16.660 She like gets mad if I say the other thing because she hates socialists.

04:59:20.260 Would you look at that?

04:59:21.500 But anyways, about this.

04:59:25.100 Would you look at that?

04:59:27.180 I would say that a lot of people tend to think that the education system is biased.

04:59:32.340 And you know what?

04:59:32.900 If it is and that's why I believe the things I do, then I guess it is.

04:59:37.280 But I personally have faith in academia and wouldn't I be stupid if I didn't believe what I learned in school?

04:59:43.840 No, I mean to your point, I was a political science major.

04:59:47.240 I went through the whole system and I pretty much believed the exact opposite of everything I've ever learned because I continued my education.

04:59:54.220 I continued to read and I observed reality and I realized this doesn't make any sense.

04:59:59.680 Starting with feminist ideology, gender ideology, especially when you start having kids, you realize it's all bullshit.

05:00:04.520 I'll take that into consideration.

05:00:07.200 She's taking it into consideration.

05:00:09.220 But as it stands, I still think that, you know.

05:00:11.740 Think what?

05:00:12.140 What do you think?

05:00:12.920 I have faith in my education.

05:00:15.120 Well, yeah, you probably spend a fortune on it.

05:00:17.340 No, I have a scholarship, but thank you.

05:00:19.160 Oh.

05:00:20.620 Do you?

05:00:21.120 Thank you.

05:00:21.700 Or do you spend a fortune on it?

05:00:24.320 Do you want me to actually pull up my scholarship?

05:00:26.000 Oh, I'm just curious.

05:00:26.560 Yes, pull it up.

05:00:27.740 Pull that shit out.

05:00:29.760 Is it an athletic scholarship?

05:00:32.700 No, I'm not an athlete.

05:00:33.900 It's academic.

05:00:34.740 I'm kind of getting softball vibes from you.

05:00:36.520 No.

05:00:37.140 Oh, I was on track.

05:00:38.740 Oh, that's offensive.

05:00:39.960 Why is that offensive?

05:00:40.980 Softball is a very respectable athletic thing in the sport?

05:00:47.160 You do the underhand pitch.

05:00:48.300 Are you an underhander?

05:00:49.480 Yeah, it's an underhand pitch for sure.

05:00:51.080 It's two circles, right?

05:00:52.300 Yeah, two circles.

05:00:53.380 Yeah, that's me.

05:00:54.120 Big softball girl.

05:00:54.640 Have you ever done the third circle thing?

05:00:56.180 What the fuck is that?

05:00:57.360 Is that legal?

05:00:58.020 I don't know.

05:00:58.400 Probably not.

05:00:59.100 Okay.

05:00:59.320 Is this girl really so dumb?

05:01:02.940 She thinks some are incapable of prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual

05:01:07.960 community or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership

05:01:11.300 in a particular racial or ethnic group.

05:01:13.640 Even a third grader knows.

05:01:15.260 I seeded this.

05:01:16.580 There is an alternate version of racism and sexism.

05:01:19.320 Okay.

05:01:19.580 I agree that everyone can experience racism and sexism.

05:01:22.040 Thank you, FB, for that.

05:01:23.220 We have Mr. Travolta with the 100 British Pounds, Pound Sterling.

05:01:28.660 Thank you.

05:01:29.280 Yes, you can be racist and sexist towards white, black, or blue, or pink people.

05:01:33.340 Well, hold on a second.

05:01:35.300 I don't know about those pink people.

05:01:37.140 Okay.

05:01:37.520 Not all countries have a history of historic black slavery, and there's racism in those

05:01:42.140 countries.

05:01:42.840 Look at the definition of the word.

05:01:44.160 They have meaning.

05:01:45.060 That's what is lost on this generation.

05:01:47.500 I think this is directed towards you.

05:01:58.400 I don't know.

05:01:58.780 I mean, like I said, I was just two different definitions of the word racism.

05:02:02.560 A shizzle.

05:02:03.200 Mr. Travolta, once again, Brian, you're taking a big poop.

05:02:05.800 Why can't you come and sit down and actually run your podcast?

05:02:09.340 It's disrespectful.

05:02:10.540 Anyway, I've noticed that white people are shut down because of their skin color, BTW.

05:02:13.960 I'm not white, so no bias.

05:02:15.860 It's respectful.

05:02:16.940 I feel like he's putting his confidence in me if he has to go, you know, that's respectful.

05:02:21.620 Well, you know, actually, a lot of people, you know, say, hey, Brian, you gotta, when

05:02:25.160 Andrew's on, you gotta shut the fuck up and let Andrew talk more.

05:02:29.520 So, you know, I figured out, okay, I'll get up and meander around back there.

05:02:33.300 It's been a good brawl, man.

05:02:34.340 And then harass Nick a little bit and, you know, all that stuff.

05:02:37.040 So, okay.

05:02:37.580 We have, like, not harassing, you know.

05:02:40.920 Okay.

05:02:41.260 Anyways, never mind.

05:02:41.900 Ask half a, oh, wait, sorry, okay, we don't read those, sorry.

05:02:51.580 Actually, fuck it, why not?

05:02:52.520 Okay.

05:02:54.300 Sorry.

05:02:54.620 Okay, I'm doing you a solid here.

05:02:55.860 And this is Canadian, too, so that's, like, $1.

05:02:57.360 No offense, Keisha.

05:03:01.760 Keisha, sorry, did I say it right?

05:03:02.960 Well, I'm American Indian, so I'm sovereign on both sides, so shout out to the U.S.D.

05:03:06.560 Shout out.

05:03:11.260 Do you date Asian guys?

05:03:13.960 Let's talk about, let's do dating for the rest of the show.

05:03:16.500 If we can, guys, let's try.

05:03:18.420 Okay.

05:03:18.800 Not my preference, but my first boyfriend was half white, half Asian.

05:03:22.820 Your first boyfriend?

05:03:23.380 But it's not your preference to date Asian men?

05:03:26.960 Like, are you attracted to full Asian men?

05:03:30.020 This is so aggressive.

05:03:30.820 Into the mic.

05:03:31.460 No, I'm sorry.

05:03:32.120 Okay.

05:03:32.640 Maybe the right man, but like I said, not exactly my type.

05:03:35.820 What's, oh, we'll go around the table on this.

05:03:37.900 Everyone's tied.

05:03:38.860 So, are you a race traitor?

05:03:42.000 You two have been getting away with murder.

05:03:43.280 I'm a race traitor.

05:03:43.720 Are you a race traitor?

05:03:45.300 Let's just say she's just like her mama.

05:03:49.220 So, wait, you're a Hong Kong mom?

05:03:51.740 Yeah.

05:03:52.060 Is your dad American or British?

05:03:56.720 Oh, because of the colonization?

05:03:58.420 He's American.

05:03:59.320 Yeah, but she definitely has like an idolization of those, both of the countries.

05:04:04.280 Awkward.

05:04:04.860 Yeah.

05:04:05.200 Okay.

05:04:06.480 So, okay, going around the table, I guess, what's everyone's type?

05:04:11.280 Should we keep it to race?

05:04:12.640 I feel like it would be a little simpler.

05:04:14.760 That's correct.

05:04:15.900 What am I doing?

05:04:17.080 You didn't even have to ask me a question.

05:04:18.780 I was ready to.

05:04:19.680 Do you prefer white guys?

05:04:22.060 Do you have a racial, for everyone at the table, do you have a racial preference when

05:04:31.240 it comes to dating?

05:04:33.380 My guys, Latinos.

05:04:36.560 Renee, you got this.

05:04:37.840 Why is it just me?

05:04:39.180 It always starts over there.

05:04:40.620 Okay.

05:04:41.240 You got this.

05:04:41.960 I believe in you.

05:04:42.840 You're doing great.

05:04:43.620 Yeah, I'd say, I'd say probably white men, but I've dated other races and I don't think

05:04:50.680 that's a huge determining factor.

05:04:52.300 Why is it not your preference for Asian men?

05:04:56.620 Like, why?

05:04:57.660 I'm always curious about that.

05:04:58.940 Short.

05:04:59.740 They're short?

05:05:00.560 I said it earlier, D1 babies, and he didn't understand what I meant.

05:05:03.720 It's like when kids go to athletics and they're like D1, D2, D3.

05:05:07.580 It's like, you want D1 babies.

05:05:09.220 Wait, but how tall are you?

05:05:10.880 I'm 5'5", 5'6", on a good day.

05:05:12.780 So, I've got a decent preservation.

05:05:13.980 But you think the guy who wants D1 babies wants you?

05:05:17.780 Rude.

05:05:18.600 Yeah, for my softball arm.

05:05:22.160 That third role.

05:05:23.280 Okay.

05:05:24.880 So, it's just a height thing.

05:05:26.500 What if he was a tall Asian guy, though?

05:05:28.260 Is that fine?

05:05:29.520 These are very, these are so...

05:05:31.600 I'm just curious.

05:05:33.220 Like I said, it would depend on the person.

05:05:34.880 I'm not ruling any race out purely because of their race.

05:05:38.080 I know you're half, right?

05:05:39.240 But I'm always, I don't get it.

05:05:40.820 Like, it seems like a lot of Asian ladies are opting not to date Asian men.

05:05:47.780 It's called the Biba Doobie, like, theory.

05:05:50.380 You guys know that?

05:05:51.240 No.

05:05:51.840 I don't know that.

05:05:52.140 She's like this Asian pop singer and she has a white boyfriend.

05:05:55.400 It's like all Asian women have white boyfriends.

05:05:58.700 Good times.

05:05:59.100 Type of thing.

05:05:59.700 Okay, all right.

05:06:00.120 That's cool.

05:06:00.940 What about you?

05:06:01.660 Any preference?

05:06:02.300 I don't have a racial preference.

05:06:03.440 No preference?

05:06:04.180 No.

05:06:04.420 Okay.

05:06:06.180 My preference is literally just like a man of God.

05:06:08.740 I don't care where you come from.

05:06:10.820 I've dated predominantly white men, but I don't think I have a racial preference.

05:06:16.480 I've dated predominantly white men as well, but no racial preference.

05:06:20.180 I probably have also dated mostly white men as well, but I wouldn't rule out an Asian

05:06:31.880 man if he was, like, really good looking if I was single, but maybe, I don't know.

05:06:36.120 Do we go back?

05:06:36.840 Yeah.

05:06:37.400 Is this a callback, Erin?

05:06:38.820 Yeah.

05:06:39.080 I mean, it would have to be something tantalizing and, well, Asian men are intelligent, usually.

05:06:46.520 No, but you said if he was really good, yes, but you said if he was really good looking.

05:06:53.080 You said that earlier, you said that appearance didn't matter.

05:06:56.820 That's why they're true.

05:06:57.720 Okay.

05:06:58.080 So I get that.

05:06:58.920 Now I get that.

05:06:59.580 Anyways, we won't linger on that too long.

05:07:01.000 I don't have a racial preference.

05:07:01.960 I don't have a preference, but I would like them to be taller than me.

05:07:07.320 Wait, you're currently in a relationship, right?

05:07:09.840 Well, yeah.

05:07:10.740 Is he a white guy, Hispanic?

05:07:13.260 Latino.

05:07:13.900 Latino?

05:07:14.320 Okay.

05:07:15.760 Andrew, your preference, racial preference in that?

05:07:18.300 According to the internet, I have a black ex-wife, so maybe no preference, I guess.

05:07:23.100 Okay.

05:07:23.840 Sweet.

05:07:25.100 All right.

05:07:25.640 We have Veteran Six.

05:07:27.280 As a veteran of multiple deployments, we do not want to see you drafted.

05:07:29.800 Not because the panel couldn't handle support jobs, but because it's feminist would weaken

05:07:33.800 the force.

05:07:34.400 Sorry, there are no pumpkin spice lattes or AC in war from Veteran Six.

05:07:39.100 Hey, thank you, man.

05:07:39.560 Appreciate it.

05:07:40.560 Thank you for the soup chat.

05:07:41.420 No pumpkin spice lattes in war.

05:07:45.860 Yep.

05:07:46.700 Good times.

05:07:47.400 Okay.

05:07:47.560 Let's get some dating questions out of the way.

05:07:51.100 So actually.

05:07:52.680 And the fictitious black ex-wife has a warrant out for her arrest, I'm told, too.

05:07:58.680 Wow.

05:07:59.380 Yeah.

05:07:59.800 Okay.

05:08:00.440 This is like the Andrew Wilson lore.

05:08:02.140 Yeah.

05:08:02.420 Doing it up, I guess.

05:08:03.240 Really quick.

05:08:03.680 Let's pull up the YouTube.

05:08:06.060 The YouTube.

05:08:07.060 Guys, get us to 1 million subscribers.

05:08:09.300 Can you pull up the other tab?

05:08:10.540 Yeah.

05:08:11.240 Where are we at?

05:08:12.380 Okay.

05:08:12.660 Wow.

05:08:12.720 That shit's not going to happen tonight.

05:08:14.020 Rest in peace.

05:08:14.680 Okay.

05:08:14.900 It's going to probably happen tomorrow.

05:08:16.800 Come on.

05:08:17.020 Get over there, Crucible.

05:08:17.980 Do it.

05:08:18.460 It's going to happen.

05:08:19.160 It's probably going to happen tomorrow, and then we'll announce it on.

05:08:21.900 It's going.

05:08:22.480 It's ticking.

05:08:22.780 There you go.

05:08:23.260 It's going to happen on Tuesday.

05:08:25.520 I don't think it's going to happen tonight, but okay.

05:08:27.100 It's fine.

05:08:28.080 It's fine.

05:08:28.540 All right, so let me get into my pre-show notes.

05:08:31.780 There's a bunch.

05:08:32.320 I'm going to try to get through everything.

05:08:33.880 So there's a lot here, guys.

05:08:35.140 So let's try not to linger on anything for too long.

05:08:38.060 We have Alicia.

05:08:38.980 Sure.

05:08:39.220 And try to be brief in your responses for everybody here as I'm going through all of your pre-show

05:08:44.280 notes.

05:08:44.700 You said you've greatly shifted from being a stereotypical liberal to more conservative.

05:08:50.000 You said you consider yourself a recovered feminist who is not traditional but fell into

05:08:53.960 tradition.

05:08:56.320 Back when you were caught up in the lifestyle of degeneracy, you were...

05:08:59.560 Arrested.

05:09:04.180 Nick, that's the wrong split.

05:09:06.260 Say it again.

05:09:07.220 Arrested.

05:09:08.040 Okay.

05:09:09.740 For what?

05:09:11.340 Driving under the influence.

05:09:12.420 Okay.

05:09:13.660 And then the arresting officer gave the...

05:09:16.940 What happened?

05:09:17.300 So the arresting officer gave me his phone number and he released me to the custody of

05:09:22.280 my father and then he basically said to reach out to him.

05:09:26.900 So I did and we ended up having coffee and he told me he wasn't going to show up to my

05:09:34.420 hearing to help me out basically and so...

05:09:38.140 Did it get dismissed?

05:09:39.000 It did.

05:09:39.700 Wow.

05:09:40.320 That female privilege.

05:09:41.380 So I was going to say that was a dating talk.

05:09:43.920 She's shocked.

05:09:45.680 I'm genuinely...

05:09:46.600 She is shocked.

05:09:47.640 I am shocked.

05:09:48.880 Now, this is a perfect example of female privilege.

05:09:51.800 I was going to say, so I brought it up as a dating...

05:09:54.000 That sounds like a date.

05:09:55.640 It does sound like a date.

05:09:56.640 Yeah, it was.

05:09:57.240 Oh, it was a date.

05:09:57.740 Yeah.

05:09:58.500 That's why he said, do you have any interesting stories?

05:10:00.640 And I really don't.

05:10:01.260 I have like 19 years of relationships.

05:10:03.580 So that was the only one that stood out.

05:10:05.160 But more so than it being a story about an interesting date, I actually thought it reflected

05:10:09.780 one, men's benevolence because he was in a position where he greatly could have taken

05:10:13.820 advantage of the situation and really kind of manipulated or pushed my boundaries in

05:10:19.740 order to kind of, you know, put himself in a situation.

05:10:25.160 Well, I'll do this.

05:10:26.080 That has to be unethical.

05:10:27.200 Like, again, it was totally unethical.

05:10:28.760 He's totally unethical.

05:10:30.100 Totally unethical.

05:10:30.440 Super unethical.

05:10:32.300 Wait.

05:10:32.680 So did you end up dating the guy or you just went out with him once?

05:10:35.500 No.

05:10:35.640 No, I just went out with him once.

05:10:36.460 One time?

05:10:36.940 One time.

05:10:37.500 Did he show up for the hearing?

05:10:38.460 He did not.

05:10:38.840 No, he didn't.

05:10:39.280 Was there any carnal knowledge?

05:10:41.220 There was no carnal knowledge.

05:10:42.040 No carnal knowledge.

05:10:42.780 No.

05:10:44.500 So you didn't, like...

05:10:45.300 That's what I was saying.

05:10:46.020 So you didn't blow your way out of DUI, otherwise.

05:10:47.800 I've had a police officer pull me over to get my number.

05:10:50.560 Well, and I got my karma.

05:10:51.720 You got your karma?

05:10:52.360 I got another DUI.

05:10:53.460 Oh, no.

05:10:54.200 Oh, my God.

05:10:55.360 So isn't that like a strike against him?

05:10:57.620 Well...

05:10:58.020 Is that like saying if he had given you the DUI earlier, you may not have gotten the DUI

05:11:02.380 later?

05:11:03.040 No, I mean, I basically had 17 years of struggling with alcoholism.

05:11:06.460 So I went down a pretty dark path and took my now husband on that dark path.

05:11:12.780 So, yeah.

05:11:14.460 Okay.

05:11:15.120 All done, though?

05:11:16.280 It is all done.

05:11:17.160 I've been sober.

05:11:17.600 How long have you been sober?

05:11:18.800 Well, I got sober completely when I was pregnant with my son.

05:11:21.960 So that was about three and a half years ago.

05:11:25.780 And, yeah.

05:11:27.380 Well, congrats on your sobriety.

05:11:29.140 Congratulations.

05:11:30.100 You said hot take.

05:11:32.820 Don't shoot the messenger here, guys.

05:11:34.640 Women have become the villain in our modern story.

05:11:37.760 That's what you said, not me.

05:11:39.860 So I just, to take, okay, let me see.

05:11:44.380 How do I want to say this?

05:11:45.720 I'm noticing it, one, with how single women actually behave.

05:11:50.560 But I am also kind of disturbed by how I see women in a position of, like, mother, being

05:11:56.340 a mother.

05:11:56.720 This might be kind of a weird example, but because of, I'm a single, or not a single

05:12:03.280 mom, sorry.

05:12:03.840 Because I'm a stay-at-home mom, some of the content that gets directed toward me, it's

05:12:09.860 these, like, trad wives, so to speak.

05:12:12.000 But they're always really complaining about, like, their life and, oh, the kids.

05:12:18.480 And then they position it like their husband have it so easy.

05:12:21.420 And it just really kind of bothers me, because I'm like, how could your life be hard if you're

05:12:27.420 making content?

05:12:29.140 Like, I don't, like, you're sitting there with your camera, positioning yourself, like,

05:12:34.000 your life is so hard.

05:12:35.300 And I'm a stay-at-home mom.

05:12:36.660 I have two young kids.

05:12:38.120 And not that it's not without difficulty, but I think it's, like, such a privilege and

05:12:43.260 an honor.

05:12:43.940 And I just noticed that women don't really lean into their duty.

05:12:46.880 They kind of have become selfish, and they don't really care about the overall good of

05:12:51.620 society right now.

05:12:52.440 They care more about themselves.

05:12:55.000 Okay.

05:12:55.720 All right.

05:12:57.100 You, really quick, going back to, you said you were caught up in the lifestyle of degeneracy.

05:13:01.960 I mean, I know you mentioned the alcohol.

05:13:04.100 Was there, was there anything else besides alcohol?

05:13:06.660 No, that was pretty much it.

05:13:07.780 I mean, I definitely dabbled with some, like, drug use, but nothing hard, mainly, like, weed.

05:13:15.440 Um, any, like, also, are you talking, like, hookup culture stuff?

05:13:20.260 No.

05:13:20.740 So, I wasn't really involved in hookup culture because I had, like I said, like, 19 years

05:13:25.840 of pretty serious, uh, relationships.

05:13:28.820 So, it was mainly, like, the alcoholism.

05:13:31.320 Um, but what I would do in order to feed that alcoholism, I started working at bars, which

05:13:36.860 is a pretty toxic environment to be in, especially in a relationship.

05:13:40.160 Um, and I didn't really listen to my now husband at the time who was expressing concerns.

05:13:47.120 Um, I, and that's why I said, for me, I would, that would be a red flag if a man had a vice.

05:13:53.440 Wait, Nick, did you hide the super?

05:13:55.480 I think you, yeah, can you catch it?

05:14:00.760 Um, sorry, go ahead.

05:14:01.780 I was just saying, that's why, for me, it would be a red flag if a guy was leaning into

05:14:05.300 his vice because I've seen what it can do.

05:14:08.400 Um, and I never, I feel a ton of shame and regret for putting my husband through that.

05:14:13.580 Um, and so, that's where I can.

05:14:16.060 Uh, Mr. Travolta.

05:14:17.880 No drinks at all?

05:14:18.980 What's that?

05:14:19.360 No drinks at all?

05:14:20.280 Like, period?

05:14:21.100 Or?

05:14:21.380 No, so, like, for instance, on Easter, uh, someone brought a bottle of champagne and I had,

05:14:27.500 like, a cup of it, but it doesn't, it used to be, like, I wouldn't be able to stop, nor

05:14:32.900 would I want to.

05:14:33.800 You drank, you drank it to, drank the Sahara dry, basically.

05:14:37.580 Basically, yeah.

05:14:38.220 Mr. Travolta, thank you, man.

05:14:39.560 Uh, Devil's Advocate, was the DUI story an example of white privilege, female privilege,

05:14:44.440 or neither of those?

05:14:45.540 Uh, female privilege, for sure, and also, like I said, men's bedevilance.

05:14:49.900 I think cops, and I had a pretty bad opinion of cops, kind of, again, based on, like, my education

05:14:57.440 and whatnot, um, but I felt like, in hindsight, that was a really good example of, I mean,

05:15:02.880 he didn't do an ethical thing, but he definitely could have taken it much further and really

05:15:07.620 pushed me to be, like, you know, being, trying to be, like, well, if you do this, then I could

05:15:11.320 not stay, or then I'll abstain from attending your hearing, but he really was actually pretty

05:15:16.120 nice.

05:15:16.440 What was it, the AA, when you got the DUI, they sent you to AA?

05:15:19.980 I mean, they send you to these classes, um, but I didn't really buy into it.

05:15:24.740 I was basically doing everything I could to, um, keep up with my alcoholism.

05:15:29.700 Wait, somebody, can somebody stop shaking the table?

05:15:31.800 Somebody's, like, leg is vibrating.

05:15:34.580 It's okay, it's okay.

05:15:35.720 Uh, let's see, you said that you're a fan of the bow.

05:15:39.200 You're a fan of the bow.

05:15:40.320 Well, I'm, so I'm not necessarily a fan of it, but I do watch your podcast.

05:15:43.140 Um, I used to watch, or listen to Loveline, and so when I stumbled on your podcast, it was

05:15:48.340 reminiscent of that.

05:15:49.220 And so, I was listening to it as I was cooking, and I just thought it was funny, and I thought

05:15:54.180 it was really funny how some of the women reacted.

05:15:56.600 And so, when my husband got home, and he took off his boots and whatnot, I hit him with a

05:16:01.600 bow, and his reaction was pretty priceless.

05:16:04.280 Oh, yeah?

05:16:04.740 I mean, I'm not going to go into it completely, but I probably could have got, like, anything

05:16:08.200 I wanted that day.

05:16:10.160 It was good.

05:16:11.080 Was he, did he say, did he say anything?

05:16:13.600 I mean, his face said a lot, and then, like I said, I'm not going to go into it.

05:16:17.200 You guys had a little carnal knowledge?

05:16:19.580 No, we have two kids, so it'd have to be, like, later on.

05:16:22.920 Oh.

05:16:23.860 I'm just saying, like, he was, he was very, he was a, he was a fan of the bow.

05:16:28.500 Was it your first time ever doing a bow?

05:16:30.040 Yeah, I would never, again, I'm a recovered feminist, I never would have bowed to a man.

05:16:33.240 Look at this.

05:16:33.960 See, people, I, should we show them a bow video?

05:16:39.240 In a woman, in a girl, girlfriend, um, I need a bow.

05:16:43.680 She has to bow.

05:16:44.840 Boom!

05:16:45.160 Look at that fucking bow.

05:16:46.180 Now, now watch the rest of it.

05:16:47.620 No, you can, uh, okay, we'll see the, yeah, Nick, we'll watch it again.

05:16:50.320 Okay.

05:16:50.740 Boom!

05:16:51.340 Did you see the bow?

05:16:52.020 Huge.

05:16:52.880 Now watch, right?

05:16:53.560 Look at the attentiveness, okay?

05:16:56.320 Boom.

05:16:56.840 Just, you know, folding my shirt.

05:16:59.960 It's very nice.

05:17:01.780 She's running to the kitchen in our million, our $10,000 a month penthouse apartment, getting

05:17:08.400 the beer.

05:17:09.500 Look at, very attentive.

05:17:10.820 The dinner's ready.

05:17:12.340 She stirs the noodles.

05:17:13.340 I don't need that.

05:17:13.920 You don't have to stir the noodles.

05:17:14.880 The thought is what counts.

05:17:16.380 No, you have to stir the noodles.

05:17:17.520 She has to stir the noodles.

05:17:18.320 She has to stir the noodles.

05:17:19.200 Okay.

05:17:19.240 Very attentive.

05:17:20.540 One more time with the bow.

05:17:21.740 Let's see the bow.

05:17:22.820 I'll, I'll settle for the bow.

05:17:23.920 Boom.

05:17:24.260 Huge.

05:17:24.460 Huge.

05:17:24.980 Okay.

05:17:25.660 Uh, so you hit the, was the bow like that?

05:17:28.140 Um, I, I mean, it was my first bow.

05:17:30.040 I can't.

05:17:30.260 It was your first bow.

05:17:30.700 Okay.

05:17:31.200 It was my first bow.

05:17:31.580 It might've been rusty.

05:17:32.220 If she doesn't stir the noodles, Brian.

05:17:37.540 Oh, uh, Maddie, can you, somebody fix that?

05:17:40.200 Go fix that.

05:17:41.240 Uh, well, what, uh, you know, look, I, me personally, you can't give her the sign of respect and then

05:17:48.300 not stir the noodles, bro.

05:17:49.760 I guess you're right.

05:17:51.000 I've rethought my position.

05:17:52.500 She has to stir the noodles.

05:17:53.180 She has to stir the noodles.

05:17:53.780 She's got to stir the noodles, too.

05:17:55.440 Uh, question going around the panel really quick on the bow thing.

05:17:58.720 Uh, would you, your boyfriend wants you to bow?

05:18:02.640 Would you, would you bow?

05:18:03.980 Yeah.

05:18:04.760 Yeah.

05:18:05.140 Okay.

05:18:06.800 Sure.

05:18:07.780 Sure.

05:18:08.180 That's not very enthusiastic.

05:18:09.960 It's because I told them they can get whatever they want from it.

05:18:12.100 I mean, yeah.

05:18:12.700 You shouldn't have done that.

05:18:13.940 Way to enable them.

05:18:16.220 Um, yes.

05:18:16.980 When I love a man, I will do anything for them.

05:18:18.880 Well, what if you, you don't love him yet?

05:18:20.760 No.

05:18:21.200 Like it's the second date, third date.

05:18:23.300 Um, he's like, oh, let's see the bow.

05:18:25.020 Oh, hell no.

05:18:25.880 Hell no.

05:18:26.580 Hell no.

05:18:27.420 What if he was like, well, I'm only going to pay for first dates until I'm in love with

05:18:31.140 you.

05:18:33.340 Hmm.

05:18:35.440 I don't even know if you want men to pay for the first date, but.

05:18:38.960 Yeah.

05:18:39.300 I mean, I, I like it, but.

05:18:41.200 Okay.

05:18:42.380 Yes.

05:18:43.040 You'd bow.

05:18:44.240 Would you, would you bow?

05:18:44.920 I would, I would bow.

05:18:46.040 I just think that my husband's response would be very, very unusual.

05:18:51.160 I think he would probably, I think he would probably look at me like, what is she doing?

05:18:56.680 And then he would probably be like, so anyway, do you want to let, you want to talk to me

05:19:00.880 about his new math formula?

05:19:02.740 He did.

05:19:03.580 Like, I don't think he would.

05:19:04.960 He'd be like, what kind of crazy shit are they teaching you on the whatever pod?

05:19:08.540 No, I, I think, I honestly think he would be like, is your back okay?

05:19:12.780 Like, what are you doing?

05:19:13.640 Like, I don't think he would.

05:19:14.520 Sciatica, yeah.

05:19:15.200 I think he would.

05:19:15.860 He like, wouldn't believe it?

05:19:16.780 No, no, I don't think he would understand why and what that would, what that even meant.

05:19:21.460 You know what I mean?

05:19:21.860 No, you, you do the bow.

05:19:22.980 Would you bow?

05:19:23.940 100%.

05:19:24.300 100%.

05:19:24.940 Love worshiping my hand.

05:19:25.700 Wow, this is, I feel like you, because you told us the story now, they're, they're more

05:19:29.960 inclined to bow.

05:19:30.780 Maybe I should have asked beforehand if they would do a bow.

05:19:33.900 How about would you make your man a sandwich?

05:19:35.560 I think he would be re-supercative of that.

05:19:38.120 Like, if I made him a sandwich, he'd be like, oh, all right.

05:19:40.440 You'll do a sandwich?

05:19:42.040 Okay, look at, look at, look at this anti-feminist over here.

05:19:44.600 Look at this anti-feminist.

05:19:45.900 You guys heard my story in the beginning, okay?

05:19:47.820 Clearly, when it comes to relationships, there's not the same amount of feminism there.

05:19:51.840 When it comes to that.

05:19:52.180 It's my belief system.

05:19:53.460 Okay.

05:19:53.860 Yeah.

05:19:54.180 And I make him, I make my husband sandwiches all the time.

05:19:56.960 I'm just getting it, like, he, he, he notices when I do things like that for him.

05:20:01.220 I don't think he would pick up on bowing.

05:20:03.120 Yeah.

05:20:03.460 On the bow thing, though, uh, you said bowing to a man yields amazing results.

05:20:07.820 Uh, you were watching one of my episodes, uh, while you're cooking him dinner, you told

05:20:13.240 us this, came in, you hit him with a bow, his reaction was priceless, um, and you thought

05:20:20.120 to yourself, Brian might be onto something.

05:20:21.680 Yep.

05:20:21.840 Listen, I will only use it for good, but all the ladies out there, all the women out

05:20:28.360 there, try a fucking bow.

05:20:31.560 Just saying, do, do a little bow.

05:20:33.180 Actually, any girls here want to demonstrate a bow?

05:20:35.860 Anybody?

05:20:36.700 That's reserved for my husband.

05:20:38.400 No, you don't have to bow, you know, to me.

05:20:42.360 You can just bow to the camera, I guess.

05:20:43.960 Anybody want to bow?

05:20:44.620 Renee, I think we need to see a bow from you.

05:20:46.780 Whoa.

05:20:47.080 Whoa.

05:20:47.200 Is that racially charged?

05:20:48.360 Yes.

05:20:48.640 Just kidding.

05:20:49.220 No.

05:20:49.540 Oh, she's going to do it.

05:20:50.680 The patriarchy wins again.

05:20:52.320 Okay.

05:20:52.600 I need all the donations.

05:20:53.560 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

05:20:54.400 Wait, wait, wait.

05:20:54.940 Oh, but don't, don't.

05:20:56.600 Don't.

05:20:56.700 Don't.

05:20:56.860 Don't do it.

05:20:58.180 Don't do it.

05:20:58.700 Don't do it.

05:20:59.340 They're trying to see down your shirt.

05:21:00.500 Oh my.

05:21:01.260 Bro.

05:21:01.740 So true.

05:21:02.580 What?

05:21:03.080 What?

05:21:03.600 I knew that.

05:21:04.000 What?

05:21:04.480 I could totally, I could totally see it happening.

05:21:06.080 In a way where you don't bend over and show the goods.

05:21:08.760 Give her a fucking jacket then.

05:21:09.860 God damn it.

05:21:11.440 I actually object to this.

05:21:13.040 He totally was mad because I blocked that.

05:21:14.560 I'm sorry.

05:21:15.440 Okay.

05:21:15.880 Well, you're.

05:21:16.140 I'm not sorry to you.

05:21:16.900 I think.

05:21:17.520 It's right.

05:21:18.120 Nobody's trying to look down her shirt.

05:21:19.800 It's not feminist.

05:21:20.380 It's calling, it's called being respectful.

05:21:22.840 I'm not trying.

05:21:23.440 Bro.

05:21:24.440 You saw her shirt.

05:21:25.720 It was like, we were about to see her.

05:21:29.000 Keisha, who's wearing a fucking t-shirt.

05:21:31.920 It has nothing to do with trying to see some titties.

05:21:34.160 Okay.

05:21:34.600 I want to see the bow.

05:21:37.080 I don't like, I really don't like that characterization there.

05:21:39.980 I think it's, it's a straw man.

05:21:41.800 I think you straw manning.

05:21:43.100 A little bit of a straw man.

05:21:44.340 Millennial Millie.

05:21:45.180 No.

05:21:45.620 I want an apology.

05:21:46.400 It was like, I totally on the screen was, you know, just.

05:21:50.820 I agree with what Faith said.

05:21:52.860 I think the bow should be reserved to your man if you're going to do it.

05:21:55.100 Bro, she was about to do it.

05:21:56.060 You guys.

05:21:56.540 I know, but it's true.

05:21:57.780 I'm going to say, this is for my ex if he's watching.

05:22:00.480 No, yeah, do that.

05:22:01.680 Well, do it if you want, but just know that we can totally see it on your shirt.

05:22:04.840 No, it's okay.

05:22:05.480 I'm good.

05:22:06.340 Sorry, guys.

05:22:08.120 We're about to.

05:22:08.920 What did I tell you about libertarians, Brian?

05:22:10.860 I'm not a libertarian.

05:22:12.160 I'm a conservative.

05:22:13.400 Thank you very much.

05:22:13.860 Does anybody.

05:22:14.220 I'm a Christian conservative.

05:22:15.880 Can we see the bow that you gave to your husband?

05:22:18.980 Can we see the bow?

05:22:19.540 It might be subpar, but.

05:22:20.740 Okay, we'll see.

05:22:21.320 Let's see.

05:22:22.380 So, ladies, this is a tutorial that she did about to her husband.

05:22:25.560 It worked great.

05:22:26.440 Why don't you just show us?

05:22:28.920 I don't know.

05:22:29.480 Wait, did you do your hands together?

05:22:31.040 Oh, yeah.

05:22:31.680 I don't think I did.

05:22:32.340 No, you don't.

05:22:32.940 You don't do the hands together.

05:22:34.060 Your hands are like down here and they're kind of timid.

05:22:36.060 It has to be a timid hand told.

05:22:37.800 Maybe.

05:22:38.420 I mean, I don't know.

05:22:39.480 It was a bow.

05:22:40.720 No, it was still a bow, but I don't like the.

05:22:42.300 I don't like the this.

05:22:43.840 I don't like the that.

05:22:46.120 Too Buddhist-y.

05:22:47.080 Yeah.

05:22:47.320 I don't like the pants together.

05:22:49.780 All right.

05:22:50.380 I'm Catholic.

05:22:51.760 We almost made progress on Renee here.

05:22:54.220 We almost made progress and then just, you know, I'm disappointed.

05:22:58.040 Okay.

05:22:58.960 Don't you.

05:22:59.700 The patriarchy could totally have taken the W.

05:23:01.340 I know.

05:23:01.740 We could have taken the W.

05:23:03.280 Unfortunately, the feminist had to come in and cock-lock.

05:23:05.160 Well, here's my question.

05:23:07.080 I'm not a feminist.

05:23:08.260 I'm just saying.

05:23:08.800 I think you might be.

05:23:10.040 Covert.

05:23:10.480 Is it covert feminism?

05:23:12.080 No, in her case here, she's a married.

05:23:14.680 That was pretty feminist of you.

05:23:16.120 Oh, no.

05:23:16.580 That was pretty feminist of you.

05:23:17.780 No, it's just I'm wise.

05:23:19.140 To prevent the bow.

05:23:19.920 I'm wise to the tricks of men that want to, you know, take advantage here.

05:23:26.260 Even if it wasn't you two, the whole internet is watching and you don't know the intentions

05:23:30.900 of the men watching this podcast.

05:23:32.860 You said the internet is forever with OnlyFans, so you're wanting her to show.

05:23:37.180 Am I getting me-tued for trying to get her to bow?

05:23:39.380 You're not being me-tued.

05:23:40.200 Bro, is this a me-tue?

05:23:41.080 You're not being me-tued.

05:23:41.520 And maybe you didn't pick up on the subtly.

05:23:42.920 I just had the right to tell her.

05:23:44.140 They don't do it because you're trying to look down your shirt.

05:23:47.620 So why are you dogging me for letting her know I can see down her shirt?

05:23:51.060 Yeah, but you implied that that was our intention.

05:23:53.820 No.

05:23:54.220 What evidence do you have that that was our intention?

05:23:55.020 You know, I don't know if that's your intention, but-

05:23:56.680 It wasn't.

05:23:57.240 It wasn't.

05:23:57.660 It's my fault for wearing the shirt.

05:23:59.260 Yeah, how dare you?

05:24:00.540 Free the nipple, I guess.

05:24:01.440 A true bower would have been way more conservative.

05:24:05.000 That's what I'm saying.

05:24:05.460 Can we get her a-

05:24:05.900 Conservative men wouldn't want to free the nipple.

05:24:07.460 Oh, shit, Maddie, can you get her the Japanese schoolgirl outfit?

05:24:10.000 That'll cover it.

05:24:10.780 Wait, Maddie, can you-

05:24:11.540 It's upstairs.

05:24:12.700 Go for it.

05:24:14.120 Wait, Nick, do you know where it is?

05:24:15.640 Maddie, do you know where it is?

05:24:16.820 No.

05:24:17.000 I have no idea.

05:24:18.380 Get-

05:24:18.620 If it's upstairs, I'll talk about it.

05:24:20.060 Yeah, Nick, it's upstairs.

05:24:20.860 I think it's-

05:24:21.360 Wait, is it upstairs?

05:24:23.700 Jesus.

05:24:24.460 Now this might be-

05:24:25.460 I don't know if-

05:24:30.460 Just see if it's like there's a blue one and a white one.

05:24:35.260 I think it's good time for me to go have a cigarette

05:24:38.040 while you do this Japanese schoolgirl thing.

05:24:41.500 You know, there's a concern over the attire that Renee is wearing, you know?

05:24:50.660 Oh, wow.

05:24:51.460 Oh, my God.

05:24:51.880 Okay, that's a Sailor Moon.

05:24:53.200 Oh, my God.

05:24:54.140 It's literally a schoolgirl.

05:24:55.960 The Sailor Moon's kind of cute, though.

05:24:57.680 I can't believe you have those on hand.

05:24:59.580 There should be a-

05:25:00.840 I have a jacket that I can put on.

05:25:04.060 I think we do the-

05:25:05.480 I just thought we were over the bat.

05:25:07.180 Do we do the Sailor Moon one?

05:25:08.280 Yeah, why are we?

05:25:09.000 I guess we're-

05:25:09.840 Are we doing the Sailor Moon one?

05:25:11.300 All over the-

05:25:12.700 Is this kind of cringed at this point?

05:25:14.360 You should put on the Sailor Moon one.

05:25:15.780 Yeah, why are you-

05:25:16.400 And do the bow.

05:25:17.540 And do the bow.

05:25:18.160 I'm too fat.

05:25:18.680 I'm too fat right now.

05:25:19.800 Wait, Nick, what are you doing?

05:25:20.560 Where are you going?

05:25:21.200 Nick, are you coming back?

05:25:22.860 Just bring down all three.

05:25:24.180 There should be three.

05:25:25.020 Just bring down all three.

05:25:26.220 She can pick.

05:25:27.220 She can pick if she wants.

05:25:28.660 If anyone else wants to wear one.

05:25:30.860 Okay, let's see.

05:25:32.180 No, I'm an adult.

05:25:33.180 I don't want to wear all these clothing.

05:25:34.460 You disagree wholeheartedly that women ought to be subject to military conscription.

05:25:37.980 Well, we already talked about that.

05:25:42.260 I think women should be drafted, to be honest.

05:25:44.740 I'm the biggest feminist here.

05:25:46.580 The reason I didn't say that-

05:25:47.660 I think we should conscript women.

05:25:49.900 In fact, we shouldn't conscript men at all.

05:25:51.880 It's kind of like a, you know, for all the years that men were conscripted.

05:25:58.180 I think, you know, and here's what we do.

05:26:00.200 We conscript women.

05:26:01.120 We soften up the enemy, you know, and then we send the men in to finish it off.

05:26:05.140 I think that's the best.

05:26:06.220 Sounds a little gay.

05:26:07.980 So we're like-

05:26:08.560 Hey, please don't be mean to those people.

05:26:10.040 All the women are dying first.

05:26:11.760 And then it's just y'all.

05:26:12.700 I'm not opposed to, like, helping my country, because if there was some sort of, like, issue here in the States, I would 100%, like, you know, I have guns.

05:26:22.200 I would help.

05:26:23.420 But I kind of disagree with the idea of taking women when I already feel like children are being targeted to become, like, property of the state through the school system and through other, like, means.

05:26:35.320 And so I would just think that mothers would be needed in order to maintain, you know, protection.

05:26:44.040 But I would also, I don't want men to be conscripted either.

05:26:48.120 Well, I mean, conscription typically isn't, you know, I don't know the exact percentages for, like, World War I, World War II, Vietnam.

05:26:55.820 I believe the United States, just off the top of my head, for example, for Vietnam, I think the U.S. casualties in Vietnam was 70 or 80,000.

05:27:04.920 Let me just check that out really quick.

05:27:08.000 Vietnam, U.S. casualties.

05:27:12.140 I think it was 70,000, 80,000.

05:27:14.900 I could be, hold on.

05:27:17.040 Goddamn, show me the, oh, my God.

05:27:18.400 Wait, when you said that the women would soften the enemy, soften them in what way?

05:27:23.340 Not by pussy.

05:27:24.320 I was about to say, I was, like, soften them how?

05:27:28.160 Because they would just completely obliterate them and just.

05:27:30.760 How many, how many casualties for U.S.?

05:27:35.560 I can't fucking, I don't know why I can't find it.

05:27:38.740 There's no softening.

05:27:40.260 Okay, I was a bit off.

05:27:41.620 But I don't think if we lost, for example, like, 70,000 women.

05:27:47.120 Jesus Christ.

05:27:47.960 That's going to get eclipsed.

05:27:49.020 If we, like, lost 70,000 women instead of men in the Vietnam War, I don't think demographically that would have had a massive impact in the U.S., for example.

05:27:58.940 I mean.

05:27:59.640 Like, so your argument of, well, we need women to repopulate.

05:28:02.120 In some, like, catastrophic.

05:28:04.260 No, but that, your argument about, well, women need to birth the future children and soldiers.

05:28:10.180 That argument really only applies where there's, like, just catastrophic.

05:28:14.100 Well, that's what happened in World War II.

05:28:15.620 Well, and that wasn't.

05:28:16.080 There was catastrophic lives lost.

05:28:18.160 I mean, we're talking about.

05:28:19.280 Well, we'd have to see the percentages.

05:28:20.180 Hundreds of millions of lives were lost in World War II.

05:28:24.200 So, if, and that's really sad.

05:28:26.240 That's really sad that so many young men lost their lives.

05:28:28.660 They were literally just being thrown into just instant death in these trenches.

05:28:34.040 So, yeah, I think that if you had those numbers of women being lost, you absolutely would probably be affecting the population.

05:28:41.440 Why would a man be willing to sacrifice women in society, like the vulnerable sectors of society, as men?

05:28:47.160 Why would that even be a thought?

05:28:49.500 Let's sacrifice the women.

05:28:50.680 Right.

05:28:50.940 And the children subsequently, actually.

05:28:52.740 If the men's role and job is supposed to be to protect and be protectors, why would they want the women to do it for them?

05:28:59.680 Yeah.

05:29:00.520 How would you sleep at night?

05:29:01.600 I sacrificed 80,000 women so that men can stay in the country and not even defend the country properly, might I add.

05:29:08.600 Like, it would suck.

05:29:10.180 Like, honestly.

05:29:10.920 Maybe, like, the Titanic was sinking and the men today are like, move over, ladies.

05:29:15.920 We're going on the boat.

05:29:17.920 Right?

05:29:18.500 Women and children first.

05:29:19.020 Yeah, that's how it should.

05:29:19.760 I think.

05:29:20.920 I don't believe in women and children first.

05:29:23.100 Okay.

05:29:23.440 Well, then that is not a conservative belief set.

05:29:26.740 So you're not, that doesn't align with a conservative belief set.

05:29:30.660 No.

05:29:31.260 No, you haven't.

05:29:31.920 Wait, so why not?

05:29:33.160 I, above, above, like, traditional conservative beliefs, I actually put forward men's rights advocacy positions over any conservative or traditional positions.

05:29:44.720 So, but you said, but you guys were talking about men being, like, leaders.

05:29:48.300 For example, I'll give you an example that's going to trigger you guys.

05:29:52.200 I'll give you an example that's going to trigger you guys.

05:29:53.980 So, I believe in any state where abortion is legal, I think men should have a corresponding right to legal paternal surrender, whereby, if in any state a woman has the ability to murder their child, men should have a corresponding right to relinquish any financial or parental responsibility.

05:30:14.300 So, you think that men should base their integrity and their actions on the reaction, the emotional reactions of women?

05:30:20.380 Well, the reality.

05:30:21.320 And not their own integrity as a man from their own principles, ideologies, values, and God.

05:30:25.540 Well, that's a different conversation.

05:30:26.700 That's entirely the same conversation.

05:30:28.220 You're saying that as a man, you want to react to women as opposed to standing your ground as a man and doing what you think is necessary as a man.

05:30:34.800 Why?

05:30:35.380 Why are you reacting to women?

05:30:36.540 Why wouldn't a man step up and say, I will take care of my child, my son, daughter?

05:30:42.140 It occurs, well, I'm not really inclined, right, at this moment.

05:30:45.840 This is making an implication of choice.

05:30:48.260 They do.

05:30:48.940 A lot of men.

05:30:49.660 They should have the right to choose, right?

05:30:51.620 Brian's, yes, but that's Brian's point.

05:30:54.180 Brian's point is, if you're in a state where you have no choice, she has the choice.

05:30:59.960 Why are you having sex with a woman who agrees with abortion?

05:31:02.360 That's your fault.

05:31:02.880 Well, what if you have sex with a woman who didn't agree with an abortion?

05:31:06.200 Then that was a bad decision.

05:31:06.920 Then you didn't take her accountability for your responsibilities, and you put her in a position where she...

05:31:11.640 Let's assume for a second you're married to her.

05:31:13.340 I don't agree with abortion, by the way.

05:31:13.880 Would you ever consider a woman that believes in abortion for marriage?

05:31:19.920 Well, they're talking about...

05:31:20.920 No.

05:31:21.480 Really quick.

05:31:22.120 No.

05:31:22.280 Would you, both of you...

05:31:23.560 No.

05:31:23.780 So no for you.

05:31:24.140 But let us assume for a second you married a woman.

05:31:26.260 Okay, so what about you?

05:31:28.600 Again, I'm not...

05:31:29.760 I'm not interested in actually having another abortion conversation.

05:31:34.440 I'm just saying that's a position.

05:31:36.760 The rule is right now that women can terminate the pregnancy and men can't do anything.

05:31:41.260 We're not talking about that.

05:31:41.680 That's exactly what we're talking about.

05:31:43.380 I ask why are you having sex with women and impregnating women who agree with abortion?

05:31:45.780 If you're sleeping with women who don't agree with abortion, you wouldn't even come up with this.

05:31:49.900 I'm giving you an example.

05:31:51.000 I'm giving you an example because that is the exception of how...

05:31:53.880 The man in this scenario, the woman aborted it.

05:31:56.600 There's no woman that's like, I want to have a family with you.

05:31:58.380 When you get pregnant, she's like, oh, I'm going to abort it.

05:32:00.100 He wants to.

05:32:00.600 Yeah, there are women who can do that and do that.

05:32:02.680 He wants to abort it in this situation.

05:32:04.640 There are women who do that.

05:32:05.860 No, that's not even what I said.

05:32:07.440 That's not even what I said.

05:32:08.800 But why would a man want to kill his own child because of the right word?

05:32:12.640 No, no, no.

05:32:13.040 What he's saying is...

05:32:13.880 He wants to abandon his child, which is calculating its destruction and...

05:32:17.340 That's not even what I said.

05:32:18.500 No.

05:32:18.660 You said they should have the right to, but why would a man even want the right to abandon

05:32:22.520 their own child?

05:32:23.500 That is literally calculating its destruction, not having a father in the home.

05:32:25.580 Okay, did you not hear the first part of that?

05:32:27.480 You said if a woman can abort her kid, you should also be able to destroy your child by proxy.

05:32:32.680 That doesn't make sense.

05:32:34.340 You should be able to react as a man.

05:32:36.800 It's about reproductive rights.

05:32:37.760 No, it's about taking accountability as an individual.

05:32:39.580 So you should be able to denounce your accountability as an individual because a woman decides not to?

05:32:44.260 That doesn't make sense.

05:32:45.320 No, it absolutely makes sense.

05:32:47.300 That's reactionary, man.

05:32:49.180 Okay.

05:32:49.900 What is wrong with reactionary?

05:32:51.340 Because men don't react to women.

05:32:54.040 What?

05:32:54.400 They shouldn't.

05:32:55.440 What?

05:32:55.760 Okay.

05:32:56.080 You cannot be a leader and react to women and make your...

05:32:58.820 You're mistaking again, oughts for ises.

05:32:59.680 No, but that's what it should be.

05:33:01.640 Yeah, I know.

05:33:02.220 It's an ought claim, but it's not an is claim.

05:33:04.440 No, because my father does not do that.

05:33:05.040 If you say should, it's ought.

05:33:07.520 No, because my father does not do that, and I've witnessed in my life...

05:33:10.100 I get that your father doesn't do that, but your father also would have no choice.

05:33:13.720 Do you want to mention your father one more time?

05:33:15.320 What's your problem?

05:33:18.220 I don't know.

05:33:18.640 It just seems like...

05:33:19.740 Oh, because I have a good father?

05:33:21.080 Is that a problem?

05:33:21.740 No.

05:33:22.160 Okay.

05:33:22.460 I didn't say that.

05:33:23.920 Okay.

05:33:24.200 But you seem to very much...

05:33:25.000 Very glad you have a good father.

05:33:25.720 You frequently bring it up, which I don't really...

05:33:28.340 Because she's using that as the example.

05:33:31.240 And that's good.

05:33:32.100 You're using it as the example.

05:33:32.840 So you want women to submit to men, but when I bring up my father in submission, deferring

05:33:37.600 to the knowledge that he gave to me, it's a problem.

05:33:40.340 You can't pick...

05:33:41.040 Okay.

05:33:41.100 Now we're having a meta...

05:33:42.200 We're having a meta conversation.

05:33:43.540 Yeah, but he's not...

05:33:44.000 I can address the actual original thing.

05:33:45.840 It doesn't matter if he's present or not.

05:33:46.240 The fact is that if you're submitting a woman in any situation that defers to a man...

05:33:51.160 Sure.

05:33:51.180 Then we'll argue the third party position you're arguing on your father's behalf.

05:33:54.520 So let's assume that.

05:33:55.460 You're arguing based on the knowledge that you have acquired from your father, from the

05:34:00.580 headship in your home.

05:34:01.660 Okay.

05:34:01.900 It would be the same if you had a husband.

05:34:03.420 So you're arguing your knowledge right now.

05:34:05.840 So you can't tell me that, oh, as a woman, you shouldn't be able to defer to the knowledge

05:34:09.700 of the man that is in your life.

05:34:10.340 So you're arguing your knowledge right now, right?

05:34:12.480 Remove yourself from the protection of the father or the man that you have in your life.

05:34:16.080 That doesn't make any sense.

05:34:16.860 So you're arguing your knowledge right now, not your father's knowledge.

05:34:19.880 Knowledge that he gave you.

05:34:20.920 The ideology that he raised me with based on the Bible.

05:34:23.240 But it is your knowledge.

05:34:24.180 He gave it to me.

05:34:26.100 Yes.

05:34:26.540 Great.

05:34:27.160 So he is arguing with your knowledge.

05:34:28.900 So anyway, back to this.

05:34:30.480 While he's doing his pointing out a standard, he's saying that there's a double standard

05:34:34.540 where if the standard is going to be that women have the right to do this thing, then

05:34:41.680 there should be an alternative standard where, fine, if that's the case that they can do

05:34:46.200 this, why couldn't men then be able to relinquish their rights?

05:34:49.440 We don't agree with abortion and we don't agree with men abandoning their kids.

05:34:53.280 If I could just interject here.

05:34:55.220 So the women who would abort your child would abort it, right?

05:35:00.980 And you wouldn't have to financially pay for that child.

05:35:03.260 So what you're actually saying is the woman that wouldn't abort your child should be abandoned

05:35:07.820 financially and the child should have no father in its life.

05:35:11.820 No, that's not the argument.

05:35:12.920 That is the argument you're saying.

05:35:14.120 It's not the argument.

05:35:14.840 Okay, do the math then.

05:35:15.840 Okay, so let's do the math.

05:35:17.180 Okay, do the math.

05:35:17.700 So here's the argument.

05:35:18.720 The argument is actually if a woman has a right to terminate the pregnancy against the

05:35:24.840 will of a man, you and I agree that this is incorrect, right?

05:35:29.080 Correct.

05:35:29.540 So he's saying that if that is the standard, then he would argue, so that we don't have

05:35:34.440 a double standard, that then men should be able to terminate their rights to the child

05:35:39.520 if they so choose to do so.

05:35:41.260 So there's no double standard.

05:35:42.500 So a man's actions is dictated on the sins and the foolishness of women.

05:35:47.240 Again, I can get away with doing stupidity because women are doing it.

05:35:50.860 Not agreeing with the position.

05:35:51.100 I'm just explaining the position.

05:35:53.120 Yes, I understand you're explaining it, but I'm saying that it is absolutely nonsense

05:35:56.720 because why as a man are you dictating your morals, your integrity, your values and principles

05:36:01.000 on the stupidity of women who you say, by the way, who men constantly say that women

05:36:06.760 are not meant to lead and they can't be in these positions of power.

05:36:09.940 I didn't say that.

05:36:10.500 Well, it's been brought up here, okay?

05:36:13.320 So the fact is why, and women are more emotional, why are you dictating your logic on the emotions

05:36:19.160 and the foolishness of women when they decide to kill their children?

05:36:23.380 Okay, well, a woman kills her kids, so now men can abandon their children and equally cause

05:36:27.640 destruction.

05:36:28.240 Got it.

05:36:28.680 So let us assume for a moment that you live inside of a society where you can't get abortion

05:36:39.220 banned.

05:36:39.980 Let's just say it couldn't get banned.

05:36:41.720 You couldn't ban it.

05:36:42.560 You're from Canada, right?

05:36:43.340 In this area.

05:36:43.800 You couldn't get enough votes to sway it.

05:36:45.320 I'm pretty sure abortion rights in Canada are fairly robust as compared to the United

05:36:50.500 States.

05:36:50.960 Yeah.

05:36:51.260 I mean, I don't abort children, so.

05:36:53.020 Yeah, got it.

05:36:53.440 Got it.

05:36:53.940 The state.

05:36:54.480 Oh my God.

05:36:55.080 But assuming, for a second, you could not get the electorate, you could not get the electorate

05:37:00.000 to vote to terminate, or to stop women from being able to terminate their pregnancy.

05:37:05.680 You couldn't get enough people to do that.

05:37:08.080 So then don't sleep with women who agree with abortion.

05:37:10.320 You couldn't finish the question.

05:37:11.400 Exactly.

05:37:11.640 Oh my God.

05:37:12.360 Let him finish.

05:37:13.040 Let him finish.

05:37:13.700 But you could sway the.

05:37:15.340 Literally, don't sleep with women who agree with that ideology, and you won't deal with

05:37:18.700 the problem to begin with.

05:37:19.760 Okay.

05:37:20.140 So anyway.

05:37:20.460 You're not engaging fairly with the.

05:37:22.280 No, it is.

05:37:22.860 It is fair.

05:37:23.400 No, it's not.

05:37:23.700 And I'll give you the counter argument, but you have to stop talking.

05:37:26.640 Let him finish.

05:37:26.660 Let him finish.

05:37:27.140 Fair.

05:37:27.460 I'm sorry.

05:37:27.880 So here's the counter argument to this.

05:37:30.220 If you were able to sway the electorate, though, in that position, to allow for men to terminate

05:37:35.940 their rights, so that the women themselves then had to deal with the responsibility of

05:37:40.140 it, you'd likely see abortion drop the fuck off.

05:37:43.320 That's the point.

05:37:44.960 Okay.

05:37:45.420 Now, what if you dealt with it legislatively?

05:37:48.160 That has nothing to do with what I said.

05:37:49.200 It does have something to do with it.

05:37:50.760 No, because the point is.

05:37:51.300 Because you're talking about a grander 3D chess, right?

05:37:53.920 No, if every single, and you're right, you're playing chess, so at the end of the day,

05:37:57.180 none of us are winning this argument.

05:37:59.120 But what I'm saying is, at the end of the day, if all the men in society decided, we're

05:38:04.380 going to stop dating feminist women, and they were left to their own devices, they would

05:38:08.800 stop the mentality, because there would be no market for them.

05:38:11.320 There'd be no one for them to sleep with.

05:38:12.440 Yeah, but the same standard would be applied the opposite direction.

05:38:14.800 If all women began to gatekeep sex again, just like they did in the 30s and 40s, when

05:38:18.520 they embraced Christian values, in the 30s and 40s, they embraced Christian values.

05:38:24.640 They did not open the legs up for every man who was around.

05:38:27.340 I'm not buying the argument that women are not responsible for who they sleep with, only

05:38:31.220 men.

05:38:31.720 I never said that.

05:38:32.280 It is the entailment of your argument.

05:38:34.060 No, I said traditional dating, you would go to the father, and there would not be sex

05:38:38.240 before marriage, because what are you going to say to the father?

05:38:40.380 Like, oh, I'm going to date your daughter, and I have good intentions, but she has to

05:38:43.520 sleep with me.

05:38:44.160 You can't convince any father of that.

05:38:45.760 I'm sorry.

05:38:46.620 You can't.

05:38:47.280 So if you go back to traditional dating, because if you go back to traditional dating, it would

05:38:52.600 solve a lot of these problems, the pregnancy before marriage and everything.

05:38:57.180 No, if you actually really wanted to solve the problem, you actually have to go to the

05:39:01.740 root of the problem.

05:39:02.220 The root of the problem is premarital sex.

05:39:04.780 That's the root of the problem.

05:39:05.940 Oh, wait.

05:39:06.220 Actually, you did want to talk about that.

05:39:07.860 So, okay.

05:39:08.400 We'll talk about that really quick.

05:39:09.720 We'll move on from the previous conversation.

05:39:11.280 Moving over to the patriarchal structure that you're talking about here.

05:39:15.560 So, Millie, you are, my understanding, you are against premarital sex.

05:39:20.780 Is that correct?

05:39:21.480 Yeah.

05:39:21.700 Actually, let me open this up to the panel really quick.

05:39:24.960 For or against premarital sex going around the table?

05:39:28.600 Go for it.

05:39:31.520 I'm not against it.

05:39:34.580 Everyone has free will, but as a Christian, it's a no.

05:39:37.120 I wouldn't teach it to my daughter, but I'm not going to tell other people how to live

05:39:42.740 their lives.

05:39:44.240 Well, what about for your own life currently?

05:39:47.080 Well, honestly.

05:39:47.740 Is there carnal knowledge?

05:39:49.160 What do you mean?

05:39:49.780 Sorry.

05:39:50.060 Carnal knowledge.

05:39:51.960 Fornication.

05:39:52.940 Like, am I?

05:39:53.360 Sexual intercourse?

05:39:54.020 Like, me right now?

05:39:54.760 Are you celibate?

05:39:55.300 Like, actively?

05:39:55.620 Are you celibate?

05:39:56.420 Are you like?

05:39:57.100 You know, I was kind of planning on a celibacy.

05:40:00.880 You should.

05:40:01.400 You were planning on celibacy?

05:40:03.960 Well, I slept with one person after I broke up with my ex recently, but.

05:40:08.160 Wait.

05:40:08.500 So, hold on.

05:40:09.320 So, three months ago, you broke up with your ex, and you've had sex with a subsequent

05:40:14.900 person within the past three months.

05:40:16.900 So, like, last week?

05:40:19.560 About a month.

05:40:20.520 A month ago?

05:40:20.900 Two months ago?

05:40:21.180 Okay.

05:40:21.500 A month and a half.

05:40:22.400 Well, the whole planning for celibacy thing didn't really work out, but you tried your

05:40:28.180 best.

05:40:28.620 No, no.

05:40:30.260 Premarital sex, for or against?

05:40:32.120 For my, I advise it for everyone.

05:40:35.460 Granted, we do have free will, but I'm very against it, and actually, so, my husband and

05:40:42.200 I, when we were dating, we weren't abiding by that, and we both came to the conclusion

05:40:46.560 of, like, okay, because we were still, like, early on in our Christianity, early enough

05:40:50.120 to where we weren't getting convicted as hard about it.

05:40:52.400 But then we started to, you know, face a lot of conviction about it, especially me, and

05:40:56.920 it's literally the best thing that you'll do, especially because if you're not sure where,

05:41:03.400 what your partner's intentions are, that is the quickest way to sort through people.

05:41:08.300 So, advise it.

05:41:10.860 You're against, what about you?

05:41:13.020 Wait, you're against it?

05:41:14.760 I'm against premarital sex.

05:41:16.260 She's against premarital sex.

05:41:16.900 Oh, I can't wait for everybody's choice.

05:41:18.720 Everybody has a right to have a choice.

05:41:20.380 It's all about choice.

05:41:21.780 Your answer, your answer.

05:41:22.660 Next.

05:41:23.100 I mean, I'm definitely going to try to...

05:41:26.300 Sorry, I'm not laughing at you.

05:41:28.560 It's so ridiculous.

05:41:29.580 Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

05:41:31.240 For my children, or for my daughter, I would definitely want to push for that and try to

05:41:37.100 instill that with her.

05:41:38.060 Okay.

05:41:38.300 Because I grew up in, like, the 90s, and I noticed how much sexualization went on, and

05:41:44.400 so I definitely want to push that.

05:41:47.000 For or against?

05:41:48.080 Do what you want.

05:41:49.140 Do what you want.

05:41:51.080 Word.

05:41:51.680 Okay.

05:41:53.060 And bringing it back to you, Millie, not only are you against it for religious or moral

05:42:00.700 or ethical reasons, you also want to criminalize it.

05:42:04.780 Is that correct?

05:42:06.100 I'm...

05:42:06.740 What?

05:42:07.340 What the choice?

05:42:08.820 What do we do without the woman choice?

05:42:11.100 Listen, I'm exploring the idea of if they were to criminalize premarital sex, what the

05:42:19.180 pros and the cons would be, sorry, what the pros and the cons would be to society.

05:42:25.140 Okay.

05:42:25.500 Because here's my argument here from what I understand.

05:42:29.060 And essentially, when a man is, I guess you could say, when a man is going out and having

05:42:38.680 sex with a woman, right, let's say he takes a woman's virginity, right?

05:42:44.420 Yeah.

05:42:45.160 In a way, when he's taking her virginity, is he essentially devaluing her?

05:42:50.440 Is he injuring her, causing damage to her?

05:42:53.740 So not only are you saying, like, criminal, but also there should be civil...

05:42:57.000 No, I'm not saying sexual assault.

05:42:58.740 I'm not saying...

05:42:59.100 No, no, no, but you're saying, no, no, no, like, criminalize the act of it for both parties,

05:43:02.780 perhaps.

05:43:03.220 There's also, are you saying there should be, like, a civil tort?

05:43:05.800 Is a woman who is...

05:43:06.880 Can, like, she bring a lawsuit against him?

05:43:08.220 Here's my question to you.

05:43:09.120 Can she bring a lawsuit?

05:43:09.680 Say you have two women who look like identical twins, both beautiful tents, gorgeous, right?

05:43:14.680 You're understanding of a tent, right?

05:43:16.040 My understanding of a tent, because there's no such thing.

05:43:17.820 Yeah, it doesn't exist.

05:43:18.480 Right.

05:43:20.080 If one of them was a virgin...

05:43:22.640 Yeah.

05:43:22.820 And one of them had been with multiple partners...

05:43:25.820 She was a strumpet?

05:43:27.560 Who would be perceived...

05:43:29.740 A harlot, sir.

05:43:30.120 Sorry, who would be perceived as more valuable, and who would be perceived as damaged?

05:43:35.280 The virgin would be considered more valuable.

05:43:36.840 Yes.

05:43:36.980 Okay.

05:43:37.480 Okay, so when a man has sex with a woman, he devalues her.

05:43:41.340 Then...

05:43:42.100 But she's having sex with him.

05:43:43.480 Okay, okay, but hear me out here.

05:43:45.400 She's devaluing herself.

05:43:46.860 Sure.

05:43:47.100 Okay, so hear me out.

05:43:49.500 So...

05:43:50.100 I'm listening.

05:43:51.400 When a man is having sex with that woman, right?

05:43:55.300 Yeah.

05:43:55.780 It's...

05:43:56.300 This is the analogy I would give it to.

05:43:58.340 Imagine there's a bakery, okay?

05:44:00.380 And in this bakery, there's a case full of these pristine, beautiful, gorgeous cakes,

05:44:07.360 each unique in their own way, right?

05:44:09.180 Can it be a pastry shop?

05:44:10.500 No, it's not.

05:44:11.380 It's a cake.

05:44:11.560 I prefer, like, croissants.

05:44:12.220 No, it's a cake bakery.

05:44:13.940 And so...

05:44:14.300 Like a French bakery?

05:44:15.240 Can it be a French bakery?

05:44:16.520 Okay, can it be a French cake bakery?

05:44:18.400 I want baguettes.

05:44:19.600 Okay.

05:44:19.900 I want croissants.

05:44:21.260 Okay.

05:44:21.640 No croissants.

05:44:22.840 Cakes.

05:44:23.280 Just cakes.

05:44:23.780 Pain au raisin.

05:44:24.660 Okay.

05:44:25.280 Just cakes.

05:44:26.260 Pain au raisin.

05:44:27.260 Yes, sir.

05:44:27.780 Okay, so we have this...

05:44:29.920 Okay, come on now.

05:44:30.840 Okay, go ahead, go ahead.

05:44:31.920 We have this...

05:44:32.900 Okay, at the bakery, there's a case full of beautiful cakes, pristine, gorgeous in their

05:44:37.720 own way, right?

05:44:38.820 And then you have a line of men...

05:44:40.820 Line of them.

05:44:41.920 ...who want to buy a cake, right?

05:44:43.660 Now, the guy at the front of the line decides...

05:44:45.820 En cato?

05:44:46.860 The guy...

05:44:47.300 Sorry, sorry, sorry.

05:44:47.720 Okay, stop interrupting.

05:44:48.860 It's kind of rude.

05:44:49.920 The guy at the front of the line decides he's going to go and stick his finger in each cake

05:44:54.660 because he wants to try it before he wants to buy it.

05:44:57.500 Yeah.

05:44:57.680 Okay?

05:44:58.620 Yep.

05:44:58.960 So is he being disrespectful more so to the men behind him that want to buy the cake?

05:45:07.620 Or is he, you know, essentially being more disrespectful to the cake itself?

05:45:12.200 I just...

05:45:12.520 One point of clarification.

05:45:14.240 He's sticking his finger or his penis in the cake?

05:45:16.820 Well, you could say whatever.

05:45:18.680 But essentially, he wants to taste it before he buys it, right?

05:45:21.900 They covered this in American Pie.

05:45:23.180 And then he decides, oh, I'm going to...

05:45:24.400 Great film.

05:45:25.180 Great film, by the way.

05:45:26.160 American Pie.

05:45:26.480 Let me finish my analogy.

05:45:27.700 Okay, okay, okay.

05:45:28.460 Sorry, sorry.

05:45:28.680 Because we're actually going to have a discussion here, right?

05:45:30.620 Or is this a clown show?

05:45:32.220 Okay, so the cakes, essentially, are...

05:45:38.260 You know, he decides he's going to buy the cake that, you know, he wants for himself.

05:45:42.140 But now the next man behind him comes and every single cake he sees has a fingerprint in it.

05:45:47.060 And then he decides to take a finger.

05:45:49.000 And then by the time the guy at the end of the line here gets to it, you have all these cakes that have been...

05:45:55.160 Fucked up cake.

05:45:55.680 Like, just, you know...

05:45:57.560 Spattered and destroyed.

05:45:58.940 Right.

05:45:58.980 It's not in its original condition.

05:46:00.680 It's not the original condition.

05:46:01.840 And so what's happening here is I don't understand why men in society aren't mad at the guys who are going and sticking their fingers in all the cakes.

05:46:11.360 I'm pissed off.

05:46:13.100 Well, I'm not.

05:46:13.940 Why shouldn't...

05:46:14.680 I think all women should be virgins.

05:46:16.560 What about all those fucking cakes opening their legs, though?

05:46:22.040 Put your finger in here!

05:46:23.700 They have a runway going right towards the finger insert point.

05:46:28.460 No, I hear it.

05:46:29.180 But I don't see any accountability on the men's part.

05:46:32.640 And I don't see any ire towards...

05:46:34.660 It sounds like you're only giving accountability to the men.

05:46:36.820 No, I say...

05:46:37.720 Obviously, I said I'm against premarital sex.

05:46:39.960 Men are leaders, except when it comes to sex.

05:46:42.220 Right.

05:46:42.560 Then they're...

05:46:43.140 Women are the gatekeepers of sex.

05:46:44.860 Then they're on their back.

05:46:45.580 Then they're bottoms.

05:46:46.820 Then they're bottoms.

05:46:47.800 But men usually make the first move on most occasions.

05:46:50.620 Okay, now here's the thing, okay?

05:46:51.960 But the gatekeepers of sex are women.

05:46:53.880 And usually, the most...

05:46:54.280 Actually, it's the parents.

05:46:55.620 A lot of times, they'll say, you know, women have sex to have relationships.

05:46:59.260 Men have relationships to have sex.

05:47:01.060 Okay?

05:47:01.440 So, this is what I'm getting at.

05:47:03.240 Yeah.

05:47:03.620 You have to realize that men should also hold other men accountable for going up there

05:47:09.020 and tarnishing all of the cakes because what's happening is you're actually disrespecting

05:47:14.600 by having...

05:47:15.480 If you're dating a woman and you're sleeping with her and you have no intention of marrying

05:47:19.800 her, you are actually tarnishing her for her future husband.

05:47:24.920 And you're disrespecting her future husband.

05:47:27.500 So, you have to realize...

05:47:28.620 How is she not doing that to her side?

05:47:29.900 The whole analogy that she has.

05:47:31.080 She would be.

05:47:31.680 But where's the accountability on the part of the men as well?

05:47:35.320 In respect of other men.

05:47:36.280 Go ahead, Renee, and then I'll answer.

05:47:37.180 Should men respect other men?

05:47:38.840 I don't disagree with your general, like, idea.

05:47:44.680 Definitely, like...

05:47:45.860 Say it, Renee.

05:47:46.520 Say it.

05:47:48.020 I don't know.

05:47:48.800 Men shouldn't be sticking their fingers in the cakes, like, crazy like that.

05:47:51.800 They should want to wipe them up.

05:47:53.020 But, however, this is a fallacious analogy because you can't tell from the cake.

05:48:02.720 Like, you wouldn't be able...

05:48:04.120 If you walk...

05:48:04.780 What?

05:48:04.920 You wouldn't look at my cake.

05:48:05.920 You can't look at my cake.

05:48:07.540 You wouldn't know the damn difference.

05:48:09.380 You can't look at me and tell me how many bodies I have.

05:48:10.920 And that wouldn't be a fallacious analogy.

05:48:12.820 Your actions will demonstrate...

05:48:13.840 No, you wouldn't know.

05:48:15.240 It's called emotional...

05:48:20.880 But they would never know.

05:48:22.180 Listen, the man wouldn't know.

05:48:23.960 No, and even if the man...

05:48:25.180 No, you could lie.

05:48:25.660 He might not know the precise number, but he can tell the level of deviancy.

05:48:28.340 Do you know what a continuum fallacy is?

05:48:30.380 What?

05:48:30.600 Actually, what you just...

05:48:31.480 The level of deviancy.

05:48:31.940 Wait, hang on.

05:48:32.560 What you just did is called a continuum fallacy.

05:48:35.100 It's where one thing is not another, but you can't tell when the deviation happens.

05:48:38.480 If the woman posts a bunch of pictures on the internet for men to see what her bakery has to offer...

05:48:43.540 What if I leave a good review?

05:48:46.940 Wait, wait, wait.

05:48:47.440 Dumb analogy.

05:48:48.100 You'd have to put the finger in the bottom where no one can see it.

05:48:52.520 Wait, Millie, can you answer this one?

05:48:54.460 Okay, he didn't really...

05:48:55.380 Wait, wait, wait.

05:48:55.740 What did he say?

05:48:56.880 Who's held responsible?

05:48:58.100 Did you catch that?

05:48:59.300 Okay.

05:48:59.720 Okay, wait.

05:49:00.620 People call to hide.

05:49:02.240 You can't see...

05:49:03.260 When you walk by a woman, you cannot see how many men she's been with.

05:49:06.860 That's irrelevant.

05:49:07.800 But that's not true.

05:49:08.740 Actually...

05:49:09.260 No, it is true.

05:49:09.920 Wait.

05:49:11.340 Renee, Renee, Renee, Renee, listen.

05:49:13.480 There's something called, check this shit out, the thousand cock stare, okay?

05:49:18.200 And sometimes you can look a girl in the eyes, and you know...

05:49:22.520 We're looking at you, Renee.

05:49:23.600 No, it's okay.

05:49:24.620 I'm joking.

05:49:24.860 There's like a thousand cock stare look.

05:49:28.380 Some women have it.

05:49:30.340 Do I have it?

05:49:31.020 A little bit, not going to lie.

05:49:34.260 I'm just kidding.

05:49:34.880 It's like a 200...

05:49:36.060 No, I'm joking.

05:49:37.380 I'm joking.

05:49:38.040 So in the analogy, why do men get to remain like men, and then the women become the eminent object?

05:49:44.180 No, well, here's what I...

05:49:45.180 The reason why I give this analogy for the men in general right here is because I want them to be able to think about, should men be disrespecting other men?

05:49:54.600 It's not as much about the women.

05:49:55.820 The real point here is when the man is doing that to the men behind, they're disrespecting the men.

05:50:05.820 Do you understand?

05:50:06.560 It's actually a question of, should men be disrespecting other men in that way?

05:50:11.060 Well, I don't think it's really men disrespecting other men.

05:50:14.980 One, I think women are the gatekeepers of sex, as Andrew says.

05:50:18.800 Women are the gatekeepers.

05:50:20.200 Also, from my point of view, I don't advocate for male promiscuity.

05:50:23.880 I'm against male promiscuity.

05:50:25.740 Now, I don't know if I take it as far...

05:50:27.240 I certainly don't take it as far as you do.

05:50:29.500 I don't object to premarital sex, but I also object to, like, hookup culture.

05:50:36.260 I object to...

05:50:38.020 Here's my perspective.

05:50:39.540 If I want to sleep with a girl, I want there to be continuity.

05:50:43.240 I want to continue seeing her.

05:50:44.620 I want to pursue a long-term relationship with her.

05:50:47.440 That doesn't always necessarily lead to marriage, for example, in my case.

05:50:52.680 So, I'm probably not as far along as you like me, but I'm not as far back as there's these guys who just want to fuck a girl once and never talk to her again.

05:51:01.520 I'm against that.

05:51:03.120 Me, personally, if I want to sleep with a girl, I want to continue seeing her.

05:51:07.580 I want to pursue a long-term relationship.

05:51:08.860 Are you ready for marriage right now in your life?

05:51:10.980 Well, here's the other thing.

05:51:12.040 I don't want to get married.

05:51:13.180 Okay, so then you shouldn't be doing that, though.

05:51:14.140 Okay, but then aren't you just going around damaging women, then?

05:51:16.140 Wait, so hold on.

05:51:16.820 You're just going around making more promiscuous.

05:51:18.460 You're making more homes.

05:51:19.360 Hold on.

05:51:20.240 He can still have a long-term relationship.

05:51:22.300 I could have.

05:51:22.780 No, but you're contributing to body count.

05:51:25.280 You're contributing to hoarding.

05:51:27.260 Right.

05:51:27.580 And destruction.

05:51:28.620 He's one of the cake stickers.

05:51:30.020 Yeah, you're the finger dipper, and they're like, oh, you're such a 304.

05:51:33.080 You shouldn't let me dip my finger.

05:51:34.340 And it's like, but you promised a long life with me.

05:51:36.140 Well, you're assuming.

05:51:36.860 Then you don't have room to judge.

05:51:38.300 No, I don't sell the drugs.

05:51:39.080 You don't have room to judge the women.

05:51:40.760 Well, you said you want to watch a relationship with them.

05:51:41.720 No, you don't have room to judge the cakes that have had their fingers stick in them.

05:51:44.560 But there's no commitment to that.

05:51:45.640 If you're doing the sticking.

05:51:46.880 Actually, that's not true.

05:51:48.220 I don't have to find a new cake, a new bakery.

05:51:49.560 Hold on, guys.

05:51:49.880 One fucking thing at a time.

05:51:51.380 A different bakery every week.

05:51:52.240 I can only respond to one person or something.

05:51:53.940 Traditionally, men, when they slept with women, they were removing, they were defiling their status.

05:51:59.800 Child.

05:52:00.240 Yeah.

05:52:01.180 Shit.

05:52:01.720 Fathers would hunt men down.

05:52:02.940 Sign me up.

05:52:03.240 And beat the living daylights out of them or shoot them sometimes.

05:52:05.700 What the fuck?

05:52:06.260 Yeah.

05:52:06.480 Historically, if you slept with their daughter and they lost status or something because

05:52:11.500 I don't think a woman used to have a word for her energy.

05:52:14.280 They would challenge them.

05:52:15.260 No.

05:52:15.360 The challenges would do all.

05:52:16.780 They would have to.

05:52:17.440 That's not the point.

05:52:18.200 No, it is the point.

05:52:19.460 No, no, no.

05:52:19.680 Because you didn't let me finish.

05:52:19.700 No, what they would have to do is they would have to pay restitution maybe.

05:52:23.880 But still, the fact is you are causing damage and it's a disrespect to a family.

05:52:28.480 You're also causing damage to the male.

05:52:30.120 Well, and male virginity being intact was also something which was considered to be, you

05:52:36.200 know, inside of society, something that which needed to be held intact.

05:52:40.040 It damages everyone.

05:52:41.180 That's the point.

05:52:41.820 It's a disrespect to everyone, including yourself.

05:52:44.340 And if you're going to go around continually just sleeping with people without marriage

05:52:48.020 and then saying, oh, well, women have to stop being 304s, you're contributing to the

05:52:51.600 problem.

05:52:52.000 You're literally quite literally the problem.

05:52:53.600 Did you not hear anything I just said?

05:52:54.920 But you said you want a long term, but not marriage.

05:52:57.160 And if it doesn't work out, then.

05:52:58.440 Yeah, but there's, do you acknowledge there's a difference between these guys who will fuck

05:53:03.080 like multiple new women a week and never talk to them again versus a guy who's actually

05:53:08.160 genuinely interested in pursuing long term.

05:53:10.740 But you're wasting their time if you have no intent to marry them.

05:53:15.460 No, if you're being upfront with them.

05:53:18.040 Yes, exactly.

05:53:19.380 I'm literally saying, I'm saying it on a podcast.

05:53:22.320 I mean, I never said you're being dishonest.

05:53:24.600 I'm saying you're causing harm.

05:53:26.060 Yeah, the only, the overarching point you're making is fine.

05:53:29.240 I agree.

05:53:30.040 Like, I literally agree with you.

05:53:31.780 I've agreed with most of what you've said when it comes to this.

05:53:35.160 But here's the thing.

05:53:36.780 I don't really, in this sense, I don't understand why you're negating the responsibility of women

05:53:44.420 whose sexual virtue is really important for biblically.

05:53:49.180 I didn't, I didn't negate her responsibility.

05:53:51.620 I didn't say that she was inept mentally and she can't like make her own decisions.

05:53:54.700 I'm actually speaking more like from man to man, brother to brother.

05:53:58.540 Yeah, I'm addressing her question.

05:53:59.580 Men disrespecting other men by doing that.

05:54:01.120 Yeah, I know, but I'm talking specifically.

05:54:02.760 What's up, Nick?

05:54:03.660 Everything okay, Nick?

05:54:05.580 Oh, okay.

05:54:06.200 I thought I heard something about that.

05:54:06.980 So are you thinking it's a more compelling argument because men respect other men?

05:54:10.200 So if they think they're causing harm to other men, then it might make them big advantage.

05:54:12.780 Well, they are causing harm to other men.

05:54:14.700 They are because.

05:54:15.220 Wait, okay, hold on.

05:54:16.180 You wouldn't want someone doing that to your daughter or your sister or your mother.

05:54:19.180 Or my son.

05:54:20.800 No, but someone coming, a man coming along saying, I want to have a long-term relationship with you.

05:54:25.480 I'm not going to marry you, but I do expect you to sleep with me and do all the roles of a wife.

05:54:28.860 What type of woman would I allow you to do all the roles of a wife?

05:54:31.500 A father would not want that for his daughter.

05:54:33.140 That's removing autonomy from a woman.

05:54:35.360 That's the only problem with the argument.

05:54:36.680 You can do my laundry.

05:54:37.980 So why would you expect that full commitment from a woman without giving that full commitment with her?

05:54:42.540 Why is she giving it?

05:54:44.140 That's the argument back.

05:54:45.260 Why is she giving it?

05:54:46.420 Well, if she.

05:54:46.840 If she doesn't want that.

05:54:47.920 Why is she giving the commitment?

05:54:49.420 No, it's not the argument of who's giving it or who's receiving or taking it.

05:54:51.580 No, it is.

05:54:52.220 It's the same.

05:54:52.440 The argument is, why are you doing it?

05:54:53.840 No, it's the same argument.

05:54:54.540 Why do you want to participate in that when you're complaining?

05:54:56.220 Why does she?

05:54:57.100 You're complaining about that being a part of the problem.

05:54:59.080 Why are you participating in the problem?

05:55:00.900 Why is she?

05:55:02.940 You are complaining about the problem.

05:55:04.260 See, I think the problem is you can't have your shape in the end, too.

05:55:06.540 She doesn't care.

05:55:07.640 I'm not conceding.

05:55:08.740 I'm not saying that it's not wrong.

05:55:11.060 I'm saying it's wrong on both ends, but he's saying that it's okay.

05:55:14.660 Why is it okay to contribute to all of this and say it's a problem, but they continue to contribute to the problem?

05:55:23.080 If you're going to have sex with women before marriage, it continues to be.

05:55:26.500 So, if chastity is important to a woman, great.

05:55:30.240 It's important to men.

05:55:30.980 Again, he should react and make his morals based on a woman instead of God.

05:55:33.400 Let me make the argument before you cut me off in five seconds.

05:55:36.120 Relax.

05:55:36.920 I'm just kidding.

05:55:37.580 Relax.

05:55:38.200 So, here's the argument back, right?

05:55:43.520 You're right that men and women should keep their chastity intact, 100%.

05:55:48.540 They both have a responsibility to do that, women even more so than men,

05:55:52.280 because of how valuable it is.

05:55:54.360 And they are the gatekeepers of sex.

05:55:56.180 We know this because, based on ancestry, we can see that men have twice as many female ancestors as they do male ancestors.

05:56:04.300 Okay?

05:56:04.540 You're a man in the relationship.

05:56:06.220 So, hang on.

05:56:07.080 Let me finish.

05:56:07.820 Almost done.

05:56:09.260 So, because of this, we know that women gatekeep sex.

05:56:12.420 That's as it should be.

05:56:13.860 And, yes, it is absolutely biblical.

05:56:15.920 And, yes, there's nothing wrong with that.

05:56:17.520 And men also are supposed to maintain their chastity.

05:56:20.540 My only contention with your entire argument here is that if a fucking D-Gen, Brian, and another D-...

05:56:28.280 No, I'm kidding.

05:56:28.920 I'm joking.

05:56:29.600 Relax.

05:56:30.360 Calm down.

05:56:30.980 But, anyway.

05:56:31.600 Just a little bit.

05:56:32.360 And a D-Gen woman.

05:56:33.320 Just a little bit.

05:56:33.960 Right?

05:56:34.860 They're both hooking up together.

05:56:36.960 I don't see where you can delineate and say that that's purely the responsibility of the man.

05:56:42.080 I never said that.

05:56:42.280 It clearly isn't.

05:56:43.340 I never said that.

05:56:43.600 And the same thing, that's her argument, right?

05:56:46.500 Okay, it's not my argument.

05:56:47.220 So, the...

05:56:47.660 I didn't say it was only the responsibility of a man.

05:56:50.500 Don't put that in my mouth.

05:56:51.420 I said that.

05:56:51.980 That word is in my mouth.

05:56:52.640 Well, but who's leaving the finger on the cake?

05:56:54.620 This implies that the cake itself was perfect until this finger hit it.

05:56:58.920 Well, you said a virgin.

05:56:59.740 But the cake has no autonomy, right?

05:57:01.420 The cake can't choose if you stick your finger in it.

05:57:04.580 I said, I said...

05:57:05.680 Hold on.

05:57:06.180 Hold on.

05:57:06.600 This was my analogy.

05:57:07.900 So, I want to address this because you're actually saying that I said something.

05:57:12.060 What I'm saying here is the reason I gave the analogy was to pose the question of if you think it's okay as a man to be disrespecting other men by essentially tampering with, causing damage to such a devaluation to another man's future life.

05:57:30.400 So, the answer is no, and the answer to the other side is it's also not okay for her to be doing the same behavior.

05:57:39.840 Okay, so you don't...

05:57:40.880 So, men don't think that they have to respect other men.

05:57:44.700 I do want to add something real quick.

05:57:46.760 I literally just said, I agree with you.

05:57:49.760 They should respect a man.

05:57:50.980 They shouldn't be pulling the ladder up behind them, right?

05:57:53.540 What I'm saying to you, though, is it's as much, in this case, the, I guess, inanimate object of cake,

05:57:59.200 which is like a dunderhead woman, also would have the same responsibility and is also cheapening sex and cheapening chastity,

05:58:08.100 which is way more valuable to women than it even is to men for all of the women.

05:58:12.200 They're kind of fucking the whole sisterhood.

05:58:14.660 You know what I mean?

05:58:15.200 The whole sisterhood, which could keep the chastity together.

05:58:17.940 So, that's my problem with the analogy.

05:58:19.580 No, I hold women accountable for that.

05:58:21.820 Wait, hold on.

05:58:22.400 Because women allow them to...

05:58:23.020 Wait, I did have a question for you.

05:58:24.480 Are you a virgin?

05:58:25.840 It does make sense.

05:58:26.640 Are you a virgin?

05:58:27.460 I told you that I was...

05:58:28.700 She was married.

05:58:29.500 She was married before, even though it was like not...

05:58:30.860 Oh, I see.

05:58:31.560 To address what you're saying, because I agree with you on that.

05:58:34.440 Keisha, were you marrying me?

05:58:35.460 Stop it right now.

05:58:36.880 What the heck?

05:58:39.440 Traditional men approach fathers first, so...

05:58:42.340 In courtship, yeah.

05:58:43.300 Is he watching the show right now?

05:58:44.680 Stop it right now.

05:58:45.160 What's his name?

05:58:46.780 That's crazy.

05:58:47.740 Yo, check this out.

05:58:51.200 I'm going to make up a name for your dad.

05:58:52.740 No, his name is Dale Richardson.

05:58:54.120 Don't disrespect him.

05:58:55.500 Oh, dad?

05:58:56.180 No, I was trying to...

05:58:56.700 I was trying to respect him by not, you know...

05:59:00.400 No, that's what...

05:59:01.340 You know, saying his name, just, you know...

05:59:02.900 No, but he's...

05:59:03.620 I mean, he's all over my...

05:59:04.520 Dale Richardson?

05:59:06.180 D.R.?

05:59:06.480 Can I call him D.R.?

05:59:07.540 Yo, what's up, D.R.?

05:59:08.620 I wish to...

05:59:09.560 Well, good job, Dale.

05:59:10.440 She's got good values.

05:59:11.460 I wish to make a proposal.

05:59:14.420 Okay, sorry.

05:59:14.980 This is cringe as fuck.

05:59:15.780 My bad.

05:59:17.060 I do want to add something real quick, so about the cakes and everything.

05:59:20.280 So, um...

05:59:22.120 Oh, my God.

05:59:23.440 She convinced me.

05:59:24.240 Keisha convinced me.

05:59:25.240 I had a proposal.

05:59:25.880 This is a really degenerate bakery we're in right now.

05:59:28.720 It really is.

05:59:29.980 Well, let's say the chef of the bakery is like the dad, and the chef should be also watching

05:59:37.240 over and saying, get away from my daughter.

05:59:39.560 So, I did get a boyfriend, and I was never baked.

05:59:41.360 That's not even...

05:59:42.160 That's not even...

05:59:42.560 Okay, I'm going to add something.

05:59:44.640 Please.

05:59:44.960 I mean, the chef tastes...

05:59:46.520 Please.

05:59:46.780 Sometimes the chef will sample.

05:59:48.740 I'm just saying, sometimes the chef, he wants to make sure the food came out right.

05:59:52.460 He sometimes samples...

05:59:53.860 Oh, that's disgusting.

05:59:54.700 That's absolutely disgusting.

05:59:55.980 No, no, no.

05:59:56.180 That's absolutely...

05:59:56.820 That's not even funny.

05:59:57.520 I want to hear what she had to say.

05:59:58.680 I thought that was a bit...

05:59:59.960 Okay.

06:00:00.420 I mean...

06:00:02.160 The P word?

06:00:03.540 No, that's not...

06:00:04.200 Incest?

06:00:05.160 Yeah, no, or...

06:00:06.380 No, that's not funny.

06:00:08.200 Go ahead.

06:00:08.720 Okay, thank you.

06:00:12.400 My bad.

06:00:13.080 Okay.

06:00:14.000 My bad.

06:00:14.320 So, my husband and I, one time, we were talking about this really cool study.

06:00:18.720 Are you from Kentucky?

06:00:19.400 I'm joking, obviously.

06:00:20.360 West Virginia.

06:00:21.340 I'm just kidding.

06:00:22.060 I don't know the exact source of it off the top of my head, but it was talking about

06:00:27.620 how the more people that someone sleeps with, particularly...

06:00:32.320 P in the V?

06:00:32.800 Yeah.

06:00:33.580 P in the V?

06:00:34.140 Yes.

06:00:35.320 Particularly in this situation, women,

06:00:37.040 the less emotional capacity she has to get attached and everything.

06:00:41.120 And so, I think, like you were saying, with the cakes and whatnot, eventually, if enough

06:00:45.680 men dip their finger in the cake, there might not be any cake left.

06:00:49.300 And it's not that necessarily there's, like, no value, she's horrible, whatever it is.

06:00:53.120 She's mentally, yeah.

06:00:54.140 It's, like, a mental and emotional depletion over time.

06:00:58.680 And that takes away from the quality of relationship with a man or, you know, so...

06:01:04.860 The cake just stops tasting good when too many fingers get in it.

06:01:07.980 The cake can make you sick.

06:01:10.660 Yeah, but that's not, that's not even...

06:01:12.040 You might get E. coli.

06:01:13.280 I don't think anyone's disagreeing with what she's saying about the cake.

06:01:15.600 I mean, like, please tell me...

06:01:17.020 It might get super gonorrhea from the cake.

06:01:19.160 No, you're right.

06:01:21.040 I would love to know your guys' thoughts on that.

06:01:23.080 I would agree with you.

06:01:23.840 Yum.

06:01:24.700 No one is...

06:01:25.380 Sign me up.

06:01:26.480 No one is saying that what...

06:01:28.780 Like, I agree with you, Faith.

06:01:29.780 I don't think anyone's disagreeing with what you're saying.

06:01:31.760 Oh, yeah.

06:01:31.780 Milkshake!

06:01:34.620 I drink it up!

06:01:36.320 I'm sorry.

06:01:36.900 I never played that.

06:01:37.760 I had to play...

06:01:38.140 Because food.

06:01:39.180 Okay.

06:01:39.500 Wait, hold on.

06:01:40.260 Let's...

06:01:40.500 I do want to move things along because we're getting stuck here for too long.

06:01:43.120 Really quick.

06:01:43.920 Okay, so your position is...

06:01:45.060 This is the real cake gate.

06:01:46.140 This is...

06:01:46.940 So you said you wanted to criminalize it, correct?

06:01:49.380 Premarital sex.

06:01:50.060 I said, yeah, I think that...

06:01:51.440 It should be a misdemeanor?

06:01:52.160 There are...

06:01:52.760 If you weigh the pros and the cons, which I really have a hard time finding a single con,

06:01:58.800 which maybe you guys could see if you think of a con.

06:02:01.780 But the pros of what it could do for society would be it would drastically cut down on STDs

06:02:08.620 and especially super STDs.

06:02:10.540 Yep.

06:02:10.840 It would decrease unwanted pregnancies.

06:02:14.460 It would essentially do away with this hookup date culture where they treat sex like a handshake.

06:02:21.600 It would...

06:02:22.200 And by decreasing unwanted pregnancies, you would be able to have a stronger nuclear family unit

06:02:30.100 and by essentially encouraging that more men and women are virgins going into a marriage,

06:02:37.900 statistically, they're going to have a better outcome for essentially staying together and not getting divorced,

06:02:44.340 which is going to affect the children in a better way, right?

06:02:48.260 Because we know divorce damages children.

06:02:50.100 So, I mean, that's just a couple so far.

06:02:53.940 Okay, lots of good things.

06:02:54.680 Sounds like Shabria, right?

06:02:57.180 Isn't that what you're...

06:02:58.220 No, it's actually holding men and women accountable that want to act irresponsibly with reproduction.

06:03:03.160 Would both men and women...

06:03:04.940 By punishing their choices.

06:03:06.240 Wait, would...

06:03:06.580 By punishing them.

06:03:07.200 Would both men and women be held...

06:03:08.900 Like, both of them held criminally liable?

06:03:11.440 Right, both men and women.

06:03:12.200 Or would it fall more so towards men?

06:03:12.900 Both men and women.

06:03:13.920 It's not only men.

06:03:14.920 It would be both men and women would be...

06:03:16.080 Is it a fine?

06:03:17.040 I'm actually against...

06:03:17.700 Yeah, I'm thinking like a fine.

06:03:19.120 Would it be cheaper than taking a woman on a date?

06:03:21.620 I am against this.

06:03:22.360 No, I'm thinking it would be like...

06:03:23.500 It would just be like, I'll just pay the 300 bucks, fuck it.

06:03:26.340 Dang.

06:03:26.800 Well, a fine and maybe a misdemeanor and...

06:03:29.360 Wait, felony?

06:03:30.620 No, I didn't say felony.

06:03:31.660 Death penalty.

06:03:32.560 What about repeat...

06:03:33.100 I mean, you could go to jail for a misdemeanor.

06:03:34.760 Repeat...

06:03:35.280 Right, repeat offender, maybe.

06:03:37.100 Death penalty.

06:03:37.440 Yeah, if a guy's like going around and he's got seven baby mamas all on child support,

06:03:41.080 don't you think the guy should probably be going to jail for some of that?

06:03:44.080 I mean, he's causing a damage...

06:03:45.140 Wait, so death penalty?

06:03:45.840 Well, hold on.

06:03:46.220 He's causing injury to the public because now the American taxpayers are having to pay for...

06:03:50.420 She caused all the damage too, though.

06:03:52.280 No, not necessarily.

06:03:53.800 For shizzle.

06:03:54.680 If this guy's going around impregnating all these women...

06:03:57.300 Deportation?

06:03:58.060 Should we deport people?

06:03:59.380 We're going to have more welfare queens, you know, if he's doing that.

06:04:01.940 Should we deport people for premarital sex?

06:04:04.280 Deport people.

06:04:04.880 Deportation.

06:04:04.940 No, I'm not saying anyone should be deported.

06:04:06.960 Couldn't that just be achieved through like stigma or returning to stigma rather than criminalizing?

06:04:10.500 Yeah, way better.

06:04:11.640 Way better strategy.

06:04:12.900 I mean, good luck.

06:04:13.360 Sign me up.

06:04:14.220 Get me a criminal defense attorney.

06:04:15.660 We're good.

06:04:16.720 What do you mean?

06:04:17.200 Well, it's sign me that way.

06:04:18.760 Yeah, it was not a crime in the 40s to have sex.

06:04:22.100 It was just highly stigmatized and that kept society together through shame, which works well.

06:04:27.820 All right.

06:04:28.520 That was an interesting con.

06:04:29.620 Well, here's my thing.

06:04:30.340 Can you think of any cons?

06:04:32.360 It's unconstitutional.

06:04:33.480 Determinalizing anything never works.

06:04:35.100 Can these women...

06:04:36.340 So wait, you're not criminalizing children.

06:04:38.580 It's unconstitutional.

06:04:38.860 When do most people have sex now?

06:04:40.560 All these three UFOs going to jail, bro.

06:04:41.200 Oh, no, that's not criminalizing children.

06:04:42.640 These trumpets in jail.

06:04:43.800 No, it's not.

06:04:43.820 It's actually preventing unwanted pregnancies and it's encouraging children to be born in

06:04:48.860 wedlock having sex.

06:04:49.140 All right, we're not going to...

06:04:50.080 Here, it was...

06:04:51.120 No, actually, I really want to know.

06:04:52.620 What are the cons?

06:04:53.580 Can you actually...

06:04:54.400 It's unconstitutional.

06:04:56.280 Does it say in the Constitution?

06:04:57.360 We have a right...

06:04:58.200 Freedom of religion.

06:04:58.960 We have a right to have sex, okay?

06:05:00.920 Freedom of religion.

06:05:01.380 We have a right...

06:05:02.120 You are saying that.

06:05:02.860 God gave us through little beliefs.

06:05:05.020 No, do we have a right to...

06:05:05.720 It's a God-given right.

06:05:07.060 A lot of our beliefs do have a right to drink and drive.

06:05:10.940 No, because you have the potential of injuring the public.

06:05:14.140 I can't...

06:05:15.140 It's...

06:05:15.620 Listen, listen.

06:05:16.580 You do not have a right to drink and drive, okay?

06:05:19.060 That...

06:05:19.380 Yes, that is impeding your free will, whatever you want to, you know, try to say.

06:05:22.640 But you are potentially going to injure the public.

06:05:25.520 Therefore, they have made it illegal to drink and drive.

06:05:28.440 If you are engaging in a reckless sexual lifestyle, you have a high potentiality of injuring the public,

06:05:33.940 I'm fine with it, but as a natural societal solution, it wouldn't work, but I'm fine with it.

06:05:39.980 Look, as just a quip that's kind of humorous to talk about, I think yes, but like realistically

06:05:45.660 speaking, do you think that this will ever occur?

06:05:49.000 No.

06:05:49.380 So like...

06:05:49.900 Well, how do you know?

06:05:51.100 It's never going to happen.

06:05:51.780 Well, do you think that it will ever occur?

06:05:53.140 Not with women voting, it won't happen.

06:05:55.180 Do you think it will ever occur that women won't be able to vote?

06:05:58.260 Yes.

06:05:58.580 No, it won't, because the women would have to vote to undo their rights, and that's not

06:06:02.860 going to happen.

06:06:03.140 I don't think that we would ever be able to walk that back.

06:06:05.000 All you would need is a Supreme Court ruling.

06:06:06.720 I think it's actually more likely that people would outlaw...

06:06:10.360 Jesus Christ.

06:06:11.100 There's women on the Supreme Court nowadays.

06:06:13.240 Did you know?

06:06:13.420 Yeah, there was women on the Supreme Court who outlawed abortion too.

06:06:16.140 Let me read some chats, boys.

06:06:17.820 Boys, let me read some chats.

06:06:19.540 Brian...

06:06:19.940 It's way easier to convince nine people than it is to convince 70 million.

06:06:23.680 Brian...

06:06:24.200 Which is why our democracy stinks.

06:06:25.460 That's why democracy sucks.

06:06:28.240 Brian, when you have carnal knowledge with...

06:06:30.460 I like how nobody could point out cons.

06:06:31.700 Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

06:06:32.660 Brian, when you have carnal knowledge with Eve, you become one flesh.

06:06:36.480 Even without marriage, you are impacting your temple and creating soul ties.

06:06:40.200 Cool, man.

06:06:40.660 Thanks.

06:06:41.200 Thank you, bro.

06:06:41.680 Cool story, bro.

06:06:42.420 Thank you, Rose.

06:06:43.000 Appreciate it.

06:06:44.740 Yeah, sorry.

06:06:45.300 I'm going to...

06:06:45.780 She just called him a 403, guys.

06:06:47.440 I'm going to continue.

06:06:48.520 Is it 304?

06:06:49.180 Same thing.

06:06:51.280 I'm not trying to run through a bunch of chicks, but yeah, I'm probably not going to...

06:06:55.440 Stop premarital sex.

06:06:57.440 Sorry.

06:06:58.220 Stop the degeneracy today, Brian.

06:06:59.600 I'm a D-gen.

06:07:00.340 I'm a D-gen.

06:07:01.240 But you would get married if the state got out of it, right?

06:07:04.140 What's that?

06:07:04.600 You would get married if the state got out of the equation, right?

06:07:09.160 I'd get married under the current terms if she was rich.

06:07:12.820 Would you get married?

06:07:13.700 Sign me up.

06:07:14.480 Would you get married if the state outlawed premarital sex?

06:07:18.360 Little monkey?

06:07:19.040 If the state made it illegal to have premarital sex, would you get married?

06:07:23.160 Can I have multiple wives?

06:07:24.740 No, I'm just kidding.

06:07:26.100 Would that change it for you?

06:07:28.580 Yes, I would be more inclined to get married if...

06:07:30.460 Oh, there you have it.

06:07:31.100 I would be more inclined to get married if it was illegal to have premarital sex.

06:07:35.960 Yeah, so...

06:07:36.580 You do realize, though, drugs are illegal and people still do drugs, though, right?

06:07:39.500 No, I do realize that, but at the same time, it would probably drastically cut down on the hookup culture that we're seeing today where you have women with really high body counts.

06:07:48.860 I was being enforced.

06:07:49.200 Wouldn't you have to make way of contraception?

06:07:50.160 Yeah, this would be such...

06:07:52.100 The enforcement question.

06:07:53.200 This would be such an infringement on the police state necessary...

06:07:58.240 Well, you would know it by if there's an unintended pregnancy out of weather.

06:08:02.240 What if there wasn't, though?

06:08:03.180 But wouldn't you have to get rid of contraception for this plan to work?

06:08:06.440 Not necessarily.

06:08:07.580 Shit, my pull-out game.

06:08:08.600 It wouldn't work unless you got rid of it.

06:08:10.060 If somebody knows about it, somebody...

06:08:11.340 How could it?

06:08:12.240 Yeah, because you could not be able to tell.

06:08:14.380 They could just keep going every day.

06:08:14.940 There'd be no way for you to do anything about it if there was contraception.

06:08:18.000 If both parties were consenting, yeah, and if at no point in time did either party, you know, go astray and decide...

06:08:25.540 Well, I mean, couldn't one of the parties also not want to, like, report essays because if they did, they would feel like they potentially could be guilty of an alternative crime?

06:08:35.360 Wait, what?

06:08:36.340 That's a crime.

06:08:37.000 All right, guys, this is great.

06:08:38.920 Look, let's move on.

06:08:39.880 One of the smartest things you said all night.

06:08:41.480 Hold on.

06:08:41.960 Mr. Travolta.

06:08:42.940 There's nothing I say which is not genius.

06:08:43.420 Wait, Renee, can you read this one for me?

06:08:46.040 Undercover blonde feminist and glasses are complete loons.

06:08:48.920 Not actually guys, sorry.

06:08:50.500 Completely taking accountability away from women.

06:08:53.460 Now they want to criminalize consensual sex.

06:08:56.860 They?

06:08:57.420 Women choose who to have sex with.

06:09:00.120 Dummies.

06:09:00.580 Right.

06:09:00.880 Not them.

06:09:01.580 Can I actually, I mean, I can respond to it real quick.

06:09:05.940 Quick, quick, quick, quick.

06:09:06.540 Um, I think I actually take accountability every single time that I say I actually have to listen to my father's advice when he tells me to do what's best for me and I choose to listen.

06:09:14.860 It means I'm protecting myself from doing bad mistakes.

06:09:19.380 I'm taking accountability for myself and doing what is right for me.

06:09:22.740 So I am not.

06:09:23.680 Dale is a fucking legend.

06:09:25.120 Yes, he is.

06:09:25.760 He's a fucking legend.

06:09:26.080 He's the OG engineer.

06:09:27.960 That's what I call him.

06:09:28.540 He did good.

06:09:29.120 He did awesome.

06:09:29.700 I don't understand that because we're not disputing that point.

06:09:31.320 All I'm saying, no, but him, the sir, whoever said that, I'm just saying that when a woman puts herself under the submission of her father, she's taking accountability for herself and her life.

06:09:39.940 Like understanding that that's what's best for her.

06:09:42.240 Like, I'm not saying that women should not do that.

06:09:45.520 If more women listen to their fathers, they'd be in less problems.

06:09:47.640 Wait, I have a question for you.

06:09:48.520 If you were married, I assume your father would still have some degree of influence, right?

06:09:53.420 I mean, if I'm married, I'm listening to my husband.

06:09:55.540 But would you listen to your husband over your father?

06:09:57.220 Yes.

06:09:57.740 Yeah.

06:09:58.060 I mean, if, if my, if my husband told me to do something that was harmful to me, then I can't listen to him biblically.

06:10:03.700 What does that mean?

06:10:04.480 Harmful?

06:10:04.880 Like if he, if he told me, like, if he told me to like, shoot Millie, I don't know.

06:10:10.240 Like, cause like if we were married and like, you know, I should have ultimate authority and then your dad sounds kind of fucking based.

06:10:17.420 I'm not going to, like, how can I ever live up?

06:10:19.160 I'm not going to be in my house.

06:10:19.680 How can I ever live up to Dale?

06:10:21.200 If your dad and your husband were in a dispute.

06:10:23.340 I just feel like Dale would overpower me.

06:10:25.040 If your dad and your husband were in a dispute over your future and they both had your best intentions, you could listen to your husband, right?

06:10:31.220 The thing is, so all the people, so I'll give an example.

06:10:33.260 So the people I've dated in the past, like genuinely dated, they've gone to my dad and asked, okay, I'm interested in your daughter.

06:10:39.160 How are men talk to each other?

06:10:40.080 I don't know.

06:10:40.720 I like her, whatever.

06:10:41.660 Can I date her, whatever?

06:10:42.360 I don't know.

06:10:43.020 And then that goes that way.

06:10:44.920 I date her, whatever.

06:10:46.000 If there's a problem that they feel like my, they need my dad's opinion on since he knows me better, they have called him and reached out to him.

06:10:52.800 Like, hey, I would like to understand how to approach your daughter better in this situation.

06:10:56.060 And he will talk to them and he's had a close relationship with them.

06:10:59.220 So I've never been put in the position where I had to listen to one or the other because they've been in unity when it came down to that.

06:11:06.860 And they were quick to call my dad if I did something that pissed them off.

06:11:09.780 Like, what's wrong with your daughter?

06:11:11.440 Like, why is she doing this?

06:11:12.240 And my dad's like, hey, I get it.

06:11:13.340 She's been doing this to me too.

06:11:14.720 Like, this is how you fix it.

06:11:15.720 I don't know.

06:11:15.960 All right.

06:11:16.460 We have AB Check.

06:11:17.520 Hey, dude, AB Check, thank you, man.

06:11:18.700 I appreciate it.

06:11:19.160 Make salute shaming great again.

06:11:20.460 Okay?

06:11:21.760 That is ultimately, it's ultimately a better solution to move towards shame.

06:11:24.720 Thank you, AB Check.

06:11:25.520 If you want to see that type of movement in society.

06:11:27.780 I don't think you can shame women into, like, being better, though.

06:11:31.060 But you can, and I can tell you how.

06:11:32.960 Not if the...

06:11:33.560 The same reason you got them to smoke.

06:11:35.060 Not if the...

06:11:35.420 Because women are highly susceptible to propaganda.

06:11:38.200 Far more than, far more than the alternative sex.

06:11:41.020 The same thing exists.

06:11:41.760 I was trying to bring this up earlier.

06:11:42.920 But if you look at that same program, Jones talks about a bunch, MKUltra, you find what

06:11:48.420 they found kind of studying this is it's like 15% on the front end and the back end are open

06:11:53.780 to suggestion.

06:11:54.420 Meaning 15%, you can't fucking brainwash for shit.

06:11:59.100 Okay?

06:11:59.340 Bottom 15% of society, totally susceptible to it.

06:12:04.000 Women are far more suggestible to propaganda, though, than men are, overwhelmingly.

06:12:10.200 And they conform to social norms far more than men do.

06:12:14.540 So, if you utilize propaganda, even state propaganda works great for this, by the way.

06:12:19.440 Women tend to enforce state propaganda more than any man does.

06:12:24.040 And yes, you can move through propaganda for shame.

06:12:27.240 And even just having a switch in Hollywood towards alternative propaganda would do wonders for shame.

06:12:32.900 All I say is you should carry that same energy to the men who are being promiscuous in society.

06:12:37.640 I just told you it's really hard to propagandize men.

06:12:40.480 It's really easy to propagandize women.

06:12:42.160 Not necessarily.

06:12:43.000 You don't have to necessarily...

06:12:43.760 What's the evidence behind that?

06:12:44.920 I just gave it to you.

06:12:45.920 It's called MKUltra.

06:12:47.120 I literally just said it.

06:12:48.480 You weren't even paying attention.

06:12:49.740 You don't have to...

06:12:50.460 You're just sitting there going...

06:12:51.780 Hey, isn't MKUltra like a move?

06:12:52.640 You don't have to use propaganda to carry that same energy.

06:12:56.440 No, it's a program, yeah.

06:12:57.380 You don't have to use propaganda to carry that same energy towards men.

06:13:00.540 How men hold other men accountable is through force, correct?

06:13:06.220 You want us to go and beat the shit out of them?

06:13:08.280 Fine, great.

06:13:08.800 That's what they used to do.

06:13:09.420 That's wonderful.

06:13:09.960 But what we could easily do is just move into a shame culture of stigma.

06:13:14.320 Stigma works better than anything.

06:13:15.640 Why do you think progressives are always trying to fucking remove stigma as part of their social agenda?

06:13:21.220 Remove stigma from LGBTQ.

06:13:23.580 Remove stigma from, you know, women in the workforce.

06:13:26.960 Remove stigma from...

06:13:27.720 It's always a de-stigmatization campaign because they know how effective stigma is in society.

06:13:33.400 That's why they're always moving to remove it.

06:13:35.240 Okay, you had a good point, what you were saying about women with the propaganda.

06:13:38.920 And they do because they're emotional.

06:13:41.180 And that's true.

06:13:43.180 What I'm saying is, though, when women go into a bad lifestyle that's harmful to them and they're trying to get out of it,

06:13:48.260 for example, OnlyFans or something.

06:13:49.620 Say they start learning about Jesus or they learn about a better way of life and they're like,

06:13:53.980 you know what, this is terrible, I want to stop.

06:13:55.940 A lot of society will shame them so bad, they'll feel like they have no option but to go back into it

06:14:01.000 because people accept them when they're in it and they're like, oh, yes, queen, do what you want.

06:14:04.460 Or that's just her OnlyFans life or whatever.

06:14:06.420 That wouldn't be stigma.

06:14:07.680 But they try to like, when they come out of it, they shame them so bad, it's like they can't handle it.

06:14:12.800 Sometimes you can shame to a certain point, but you cannot shame an emotional being into positive progression long-term.

06:14:21.740 It doesn't work.

06:14:22.540 Of course it works.

06:14:23.180 You need to show them how to actually solve the problem.

06:14:27.320 Yes, you can.

06:14:27.860 You need to actually show them.

06:14:29.080 You can replace the ideology after it's broken down, most certainly, and you should.

06:14:33.720 But saying that the stigmatization doesn't work long-term is insane.

06:14:36.940 We use stigmatization, it works long-term all the time for everything from behavior, for how you act in class,

06:14:42.200 to how you act at home, to how you act everywhere, to how you act in a restaurant.

06:14:46.080 Stigma works everywhere you see it applied.

06:14:49.060 Everywhere you see it applied, it works.

06:14:50.480 You mean like people are doing things because they're afraid of the stigma as opposed to their actual ideological beliefs?

06:14:55.080 Correct.

06:14:55.520 Nobody tells you to get, you don't get arrested for cutting in a movie theater line.

06:14:59.040 You just don't do it because all the social, or all the shame of the people looking at you and going,

06:15:04.080 get to the back of the fucking line.

06:15:06.280 It's the stigma itself.

06:15:07.080 If that were true, then they could use shame.

06:15:09.140 It is true.

06:15:09.800 They could use shame in place of laws for things like drunk driving.

06:15:12.240 That doesn't work when it comes to people needing to be reformed.

06:15:15.020 They give you an additional penalty on top as part of a deterrent.

06:15:19.480 However, if you had a sufficient amount of social stigma against drunk driving, like, I don't know,

06:15:26.400 you could probably get a law passed like prohibition, which was largely pushed by women,

06:15:31.340 and it was largely to stigmatize alcohol.

06:15:34.680 And yes, of course it worked.

06:15:36.680 And it was only pushed back through kind of countering that stigma where it started to fall apart.

06:15:41.620 Yes, stigmatization works.

06:15:42.860 It, if you had a social norm that was so entrenched that, you know, people adhere to whatever it is,

06:15:50.560 it could be more powerful than a law.

06:15:52.520 Sometimes social norms can be more powerful than a law you put on the book.

06:15:56.220 Tradition can be more powerful than a law.

06:15:59.520 Yeah, again, traditions can be more powerful than law, too.

06:16:02.940 Imagine tomorrow, for instance, there's a law that said you couldn't celebrate Christmas.

06:16:07.260 That would be a tall order, right?

06:16:08.800 The traditionalism that, you know, maybe people are rooted in would be more powerful than the law itself.

06:16:15.000 Prohibition was a bad example because that one was also criminalized and it failed.

06:16:19.560 What?

06:16:20.740 Prohibition of alcohol.

06:16:21.400 That was my, but my point was it was a stigmatization against alcohol.

06:16:24.780 Yeah, but it was also criminalized.

06:16:26.220 But when women were pushing back the other direction, then they went ahead and removed the laws.

06:16:31.600 And also there was all sorts of other problems with it.

06:16:33.840 But the way that a lot of that stigma happened, the way a lot of the men went with it,

06:16:38.300 is because women would hold up signs and shit and say things like,

06:16:41.640 alcohol that have touched our lips, you'll never touch our lips.

06:16:44.860 Now, granted, they were ugly women.

06:16:46.300 But still, propaganda ultimately works.

06:16:50.680 Ultimately, we have alcohol now.

06:16:52.140 The policy failed.

06:16:53.540 The stigmatization did not fail.

06:16:56.180 People still drink alcohol.

06:16:56.800 It didn't fail.

06:16:57.780 If you could shame women out of OnlyFans, like there'd be no 304s.

06:17:00.840 No, yeah, you can't shame a girl out of OnlyFans.

06:17:03.260 She has to make that decision on her own.

06:17:05.560 A girl can't handle long-term dealing with that kind of emotional attack

06:17:09.220 without having an actual solution to the problem.

06:17:12.980 Then let me ask you a question.

06:17:13.980 Have to give it to her in real time.

06:17:14.760 She needs to have a way out.

06:17:16.640 When it comes to the LGBTQ, are progressives trying to de-stigmatize that?

06:17:22.020 What does that happen?

06:17:23.740 When it comes to certain groups, like that group, progressives want to de-stigmatize.

06:17:29.860 They don't want any stigma towards that group, right?

06:17:32.160 You don't have to participate if you don't want.

06:17:33.880 Yeah, but they don't want any stigma towards that group, right?

06:17:37.060 Yeah.

06:17:37.700 Okay, why?

06:17:40.560 Tell me why.

06:17:41.460 No, you tell me why.

06:17:42.600 I asked you.

06:17:43.460 I mean, I don't know what your answer is.

06:17:45.740 Okay.

06:17:47.020 But anyway, the answer is simple.

06:17:48.620 They want to de-stigmatize these things because when they are stigmatized, people push back.

06:17:55.380 They literally push back.

06:17:56.740 They go, no, we don't want this.

06:17:57.940 We don't want that.

06:17:58.880 Certain parades, shit like that.

06:18:00.440 They will push back as long as stigma is socially okay.

06:18:02.820 Yeah, but resenting something doesn't give you a solution.

06:18:04.960 I'm sorry.

06:18:05.460 Got to move on.

06:18:06.160 Culturally, where are the fathers from Ben George?

06:18:08.720 Based.

06:18:10.720 Thank you, Ben George.

06:18:12.240 Not sure if that's an actual question or hypothetical or, you know.

06:18:16.800 The kids all got aborted.

06:18:18.620 And parental alien.

06:18:21.800 There's a lot of alienation going on, you know.

06:18:25.620 Okay.

06:18:26.300 We have Mr. Travolta.

06:18:28.680 Shut up about your father.

06:18:29.660 You have a father.

06:18:30.380 We get it.

06:18:30.820 You talk too much for someone that listens to dad.

06:18:33.080 I was talking about criminalizing premarital sex.

06:18:35.400 Also, my DUI question was for the whole panel.

06:18:38.100 I forgot what your DUI question was.

06:18:40.720 Female privilege or white privilege?

06:18:42.880 But she answered that already.

06:18:44.680 He wanted the whole panel to answer.

06:18:46.220 We could go around really quick, I guess.

06:18:48.620 A little bit of both.

06:18:51.160 Do you identify as white?

06:18:52.280 Yeah, I don't know what the question is.

06:18:53.420 No, I'm not white.

06:18:54.160 Oh, sorry.

06:18:54.800 I would say no.

06:18:55.500 What is the question?

06:18:56.740 I don't know.

06:18:57.020 Yeah, I'd say actually it is female privilege.

06:18:58.980 I think the piggies do be giving you some slack.

06:19:01.980 As a woman.

06:19:04.540 Okay.

06:19:05.040 Quick, please.

06:19:05.740 Oh, the question is, is it female privilege or is it white privilege?

06:19:13.000 It's female, I think.

06:19:14.280 Or is it both?

06:19:15.580 I mean, it could be both.

06:19:17.560 And she doesn't identify as white, so I would say it's just female.

06:19:19.420 Well, not for her specifically, but I mean, like, if it was anyone else, I mean, it could

06:19:23.040 be both depending on the circumstances.

06:19:24.680 But she, I don't know, for her, maybe just female.

06:19:28.200 Whatever.

06:19:28.560 I'll be, I'm not really sure for this one.

06:19:33.380 Female.

06:19:35.540 Female privilege.

06:19:37.440 Female.

06:19:38.520 Okay.

06:19:39.340 All right, let me get through my show notes here.

06:19:41.220 I would like to try to wrap things up relatively soon, so I do need to get through a lot.

06:19:47.180 Holy fuck.

06:19:47.680 Okay.

06:19:48.920 Nalia, you are apolitical, correct?

06:19:51.520 Nalia?

06:19:52.280 Yeah, Reyna?

06:19:54.720 Oopsie.

06:19:55.420 Sorry.

06:19:56.160 It's okay.

06:19:56.740 Yeah, you probably should.

06:19:58.320 It's all good.

06:19:59.160 Okay.

06:20:00.400 You said the government is ran by cult leaders and aliens?

06:20:04.540 Yes.

06:20:05.500 That was just kind of a joke, but.

06:20:07.040 Oh.

06:20:07.540 So you don't actually think it's run by aliens?

06:20:09.180 I think it's like, I just think it's like weird, I just think it's weird that our food

06:20:15.480 is poisoned, but yeah, that's all.

06:20:17.420 The food's poisoned?

06:20:18.220 Yeah, the American food system.

06:20:19.580 Big food.

06:20:20.500 The FDA just lets everything fly.

06:20:22.520 That's where you get back to.

06:20:23.840 Are you a vegan?

06:20:24.580 I'm not a vegan.

06:20:25.260 I love meat.

06:20:25.820 I like grass-fed meat, though.

06:20:27.080 Oh, thank you.

06:20:28.080 I don't like grass-finished.

06:20:30.300 Hell yeah.

06:20:31.080 Not grass-finished.

06:20:32.200 Grass-finished.

06:20:32.640 Grass-finished.

06:20:33.320 It's a real thing.

06:20:34.160 You're real.

06:20:34.840 Big food and big pharma.

06:20:37.340 So all of you, none of you are vegans, right?

06:20:39.560 No.

06:20:39.900 So there's some semblance of sanity.

06:20:41.560 Ben George, too scared to ask culturally, where the fathers are, why might that be?

06:20:45.220 Wait, so what do you want me to ask?

06:20:46.880 I'm a little confused.

06:20:47.780 Where the fathers are, why not?

06:20:50.260 I think maybe he wants to go around, like, and find out everyone's father situation.

06:20:53.900 Okay, here, let me, I'm going to take some liberties here.

06:20:57.780 Going around the table, are your parents still together?

06:21:00.500 No.

06:21:01.220 Into the mic, please.

06:21:02.320 No.

06:21:03.160 Yes.

06:21:04.600 No.

06:21:05.240 No.

06:21:06.080 No.

06:21:07.000 No.

06:21:07.920 Yes.

06:21:08.760 No.

06:21:09.680 Yes.

06:21:10.340 Yes.

06:21:11.220 All right, Ben George, I'm changing up your chat here.

06:21:15.280 I just don't really know what you want me to ask them.

06:21:18.980 Going back to you, Raina, is that?

06:21:21.580 Sure.

06:21:22.060 I don't know.

06:21:23.300 I'm just going to call you Gertrude.

06:21:25.220 Sure.

06:21:25.700 You said you got some hot takes on the adult industry.

06:21:29.300 You were in it for two months.

06:21:30.820 You got the shit end of the stick and exposed to what it's really like, and you said you spoke

06:21:36.560 out against it.

06:21:37.260 Can you give us a quick plot synopsis?

06:21:39.440 It's kind of hard to put in a nutshell, but I don't know.

06:21:44.960 Basically, I don't know.

06:21:47.960 My personal perspective on, like, pornography and OnlyFans and stuff like that, I know people

06:21:52.620 often say it's addictive to watch.

06:21:55.060 You know, they talk about how men struggle with watching it and stuff like that.

06:21:58.480 I think on the other side of that, like, a lot of these women are addicted to making

06:22:03.380 it.

06:22:03.680 Like, I really feel like it's, like, a real genuine, like, addiction, like, drugs, too.

06:22:09.600 You were living in a house?

06:22:11.760 A model house?

06:22:12.640 Attention.

06:22:13.120 Yeah.

06:22:13.280 I went to the...

06:22:13.940 Okay.

06:22:14.180 So, that was, like, part of the big part I was talking about.

06:22:16.060 So, yeah, I did go to, like, this model house one time, and so, basically, my agent was involved

06:22:23.360 with, like, some of the biggest companies in the industry, and so, like, I trusted him

06:22:29.180 initially.

06:22:30.100 Obviously, like, don't ever trust anyone in the industry who's a man.

06:22:33.460 Like, they'll just lie to your face.

06:22:35.420 But, yeah, I don't know.

06:22:36.480 I just remember, like, he was, like, you know, giving me what I wanted as far as, like, money

06:22:42.080 and the jobs I wanted and stuff like that.

06:22:44.260 But, I don't know.

06:22:47.760 They have something weird going on.

06:22:49.440 I have no idea.

06:22:50.260 Like, apparently, my agent didn't even have a real license, and that he was actually working

06:22:54.300 for some other guy.

06:22:56.000 And, I don't know.

06:22:56.680 When I got to the model house, I was getting death threats my first time in L.A.

06:23:01.420 He said that this guy was after me and that he wanted to, like, hurt me or something like that.

06:23:08.240 Okay.

06:23:09.380 Let's bring it back to...

06:23:10.580 We'll bring it to dating.

06:23:11.520 You said you dated a male adult star who was jealous of you.

06:23:18.820 What's the story there?

06:23:21.780 I don't know.

06:23:22.340 I pretty much, he did, you know, that for, like, a lot longer than I did.

06:23:27.460 Did he smash dudes?

06:23:28.700 No.

06:23:29.300 He never did anything gay or anything, like, with another guy.

06:23:33.380 He just had, like, his own stuff.

06:23:34.820 Fischism.

06:23:36.560 But, I think he, yeah, he was just...

06:23:39.140 I don't know.

06:23:40.600 Sorry.

06:23:41.160 I, like...

06:23:41.720 No, you're fine.

06:23:42.160 I mumble a lot.

06:23:43.780 Here, I can help prompt you.

06:23:45.020 So, you said that he wanted to impregnate...

06:23:47.900 Maybe do split, Nick.

06:23:49.160 He wanted to impregnate you and insisted on getting married to you, but you found out he was cheating.

06:23:57.220 You said he was a psychopathic narcissist who was twice your age.

06:24:01.820 Yes.

06:24:02.180 So, you were, what, like, 20?

06:24:04.140 I was 19 when I started in the industry.

06:24:06.280 And so, he was, like, 40 or something?

06:24:07.620 Yeah, about 40.

06:24:08.860 Okay.

06:24:09.040 I met him, yeah, two months into filming, and pretty much he just told me that, you know, he wanted, like, the best for me.

06:24:16.500 He didn't want me to be involved in any of that.

06:24:19.420 And I believed him.

06:24:22.280 Okay.

06:24:23.220 But it sounds like he wanted you to quit the industry, and did he quit it with you?

06:24:27.160 So, we were shooting OnlyFans exclusively together.

06:24:30.480 And then, like, I know he, like, cheated on me with someone else and, like, shot a scene with them.

06:24:35.680 And then, like...

06:24:36.180 He cheated on you and you broke up with him?

06:24:38.800 Yes.

06:24:39.120 But then, you got back.

06:24:39.700 Then, I got back together.

06:24:40.300 You got back with him.

06:24:41.180 But this recent time...

06:24:43.080 You're recently single.

06:24:44.300 Oh, so, this is the guy that you said that you've been single for three months.

06:24:48.680 Mm-hmm.

06:24:49.300 Okay.

06:24:49.560 So, that's the one.

06:24:50.320 This is the relationship, the two-year relationship that you're talking about, correct?

06:24:54.580 My longest relationship.

06:24:56.000 Okay.

06:24:58.260 You're single again after looking through his phone history of him searching for OF girls.

06:25:02.720 Yeah.

06:25:03.120 To date, to work with?

06:25:04.520 Um, well, when I met him, I remember I saw him, like, looking for this stuff on YouTube,

06:25:09.220 and he told me, like, that his...

06:25:11.660 It was from before, and that his intention was to work with these girls.

06:25:14.560 So, when I saw it again, I just kind of didn't give him the benefit of the doubt, because he's already cheated on me.

06:25:18.740 So, I'm assuming his intention was to work with someone else again.

06:25:24.360 Okay.

06:25:25.340 All right.

06:25:26.320 And you said that he was jealous of you.

06:25:31.260 You mentioned the impregnation thing.

06:25:33.660 What made him a psychopathic narcissist?

06:25:36.220 He's, like, a huge asshole.

06:25:38.800 He's a really big asshole.

06:25:39.800 Yeah, but what...

06:25:40.740 Narcissism?

06:25:42.240 No, he's an abusive narcissist.

06:25:45.200 How do you know he's a narcissist?

06:25:46.080 Uh, I've been watching, like, a lot of videos from doctors and stuff.

06:25:50.700 I have.

06:25:51.440 I've been studying, like, my own journey and stuff like that.

06:25:55.160 Do you, like...

06:25:55.860 Do you think if you watched a bunch of videos from doctors and stuff that you'd be able to, I don't know, diagnose cancer and stuff like that?

06:26:01.380 It's not like I was just like, oh, mental health.

06:26:02.580 What is mental health?

06:26:03.320 Like, I dialed in on, like, what is narcissism?

06:26:05.940 Sure.

06:26:06.080 And, um, I think it's pretty, uh, pretty spot on.

06:26:09.180 Okay, we won't linger too long on that.

06:26:11.160 Uh, you did want to talk about that you can turn a hoe into a housewife.

06:26:16.800 Did anybody else have that as a thing you wanted to talk about, turning a hoe into a housewife?

06:26:23.040 Did you put that in your notes?

06:26:24.900 Not word for word, but the essence, yes.

06:26:27.460 Okay, that's...

06:26:28.020 I didn't, but I agree.

06:26:28.460 By the way, what's that?

06:26:29.760 You did it too?

06:26:30.600 I didn't, but I agree.

06:26:31.880 Oh, you agree.

06:26:33.020 So, these are your words, but I didn't say hoe.

06:26:36.040 You said hoe.

06:26:37.080 You said you can turn a hoe into a housewife.

06:26:39.120 I have to disagree with you here, but I'm open to...

06:26:41.620 I think you're wrong, Brian.

06:26:42.220 Well, I'm open to hearing you out.

06:26:43.460 So, what's your position?

06:26:44.720 I don't know.

06:26:45.360 I just, I think, I mean, I don't know, because my ex was a hoe too, though.

06:26:49.200 So, like, you know, like, men have to, like, you know, we were saying a little bit,

06:26:53.140 like, take a little bit of accountability, you know?

06:26:56.260 Should you turn a hoe into a housewife?

06:26:58.520 Not always.

06:27:00.140 I feel like I have, like...

06:27:01.360 Just sometimes?

06:27:02.420 Yeah, I feel like, like, you can't, like, you can't, okay, only a hoe can turn themselves

06:27:06.780 into a housewife, really, like, it has to be...

06:27:08.820 Lead a horse to water.

06:27:09.800 Yeah, but you can't make him drink.

06:27:11.700 Well, she'd have to find a man who's willing to do that, and my general recommendation to

06:27:16.860 men, my prescriptive suggestion is, that's not even the avenue you go down.

06:27:24.080 That's not even the path you go down.

06:27:25.260 Oh, whatever.

06:27:25.800 If she has a past of doing sex work or a past of promiscuity, that is a hundred percent deal-breaker.

06:27:32.700 Go find yourself a girl, and there's plenty of women out there who aren't promiscuous,

06:27:38.240 who haven't done S-work.

06:27:41.180 Go get that girl.

06:27:42.140 Can you ask for that if you're not doing it, though?

06:27:45.120 Like, if you're not...

06:27:46.020 What's that?

06:27:46.520 If you're sleeping around or have slept with, like...

06:27:49.100 Say you're a guy, say you've slept with, like, ten women that you tried to have long-term

06:27:52.960 relationships with and it didn't work.

06:27:54.420 Can you realistically ask for a virgin?

06:27:57.320 Yes.

06:27:57.540 Because a lot of virgin women who are, like, conservative or Christian, they want also

06:28:01.620 virgin men who have the same mental fortitude that they did.

06:28:05.140 So I'll answer your question.

06:28:06.140 I'll answer your question.

06:28:07.280 So, just to reiterate, I'm not in favor of male promiscuity.

06:28:11.620 However, I would say that there is a differential here in terms of the impact that promiscuity

06:28:18.480 or being engaged in sex work, for example, let's just keep it to promiscuity, has on men

06:28:23.440 and women.

06:28:24.180 Now, I think they're both bad, but this seems to be more pronounced.

06:28:27.620 There's a more pronounced impact on women.

06:28:30.580 And that's...

06:28:31.380 There's biological reasons.

06:28:32.560 There's other reasons.

06:28:33.360 There's just kind of societal, cultural reasons in terms of, you know, the reputational stuff.

06:28:38.860 But I actually don't think there's anything wrong with, for example, a guy who was promiscuous

06:28:45.540 making the sort of assessment that, well, actually, the best women to partner up with

06:28:52.720 are women who are not promiscuous.

06:28:55.000 We're all chasing after the best we can get, both men and women.

06:28:58.540 Women want the best man they can get.

06:29:00.500 Men want the best women that they can get.

06:29:02.240 Yeah, that's fair.

06:29:02.540 But I don't think there's anything wrong with a guy who has a past of promiscuity acknowledging

06:29:09.680 and realizing that if, for example, if he's desirous of long-term relationship, that the

06:29:14.500 most optimum choice for him, the most selfish choice, and I think selfishness to some degree

06:29:21.500 is a virtue.

06:29:24.040 Okay, I'm not going to...

06:29:25.040 Sorry, that's going to derail the conversation.

06:29:26.560 Which, we're all going to choose what's best for us, right?

06:29:30.540 Sure, yeah.

06:29:31.180 So, yeah, I don't object to it at all.

06:29:33.080 Well, all I'll say is, like, of course, there's going to be what's optimal as a Christian in

06:29:37.700 the Bible.

06:29:38.500 Rahab was a full-on prostitute.

06:29:40.700 She saved those people from...

06:29:42.560 Okay, but let's just...

06:29:42.920 Here.

06:29:43.020 Well, I'm just saying that...

06:29:44.440 That's cool, but let's just talk about secular people.

06:29:46.860 No, but this is...

06:29:47.640 Because not everybody...

06:29:48.280 Because I'm not a secular person, so I can't...

06:29:49.500 That's fine, but not everybody...

06:29:50.740 Okay, but...

06:29:51.340 Okay, but...

06:29:51.400 Not everybody subscribes to your religious views.

06:29:53.800 Okay, but this is what I subscribe to, and the Christians who do will also agree, that

06:29:57.480 Rahab, who is a prostitute, gave her life to God.

06:30:00.200 She saved people from the spies, turned away from prostitution, and God gave her a family,

06:30:04.820 and she had a husband and children.

06:30:06.720 Jesus came from the line of Rahab.

06:30:09.480 So, can you turn a hoe to a housewife if they choose to give their life to God and turn

06:30:14.480 away from sin?

06:30:15.540 Yes, they can, and we can accept those people, and they can have a part of society.

06:30:19.540 They need to have that hope that they can change, they can be accepted and be better,

06:30:23.520 or there's no incentive.

06:30:24.220 Okay, look, women can change and be redeemed, but men do not need to then disregard their

06:30:30.260 baggage and marry them.

06:30:31.580 These are compatible, even from a religious purview.

06:30:34.540 If you can...

06:30:35.100 And I would say, can I say one thing?

06:30:36.660 Yeah, go ahead.

06:30:37.400 My one thing is...

06:30:38.680 Huh?

06:30:40.620 Sorry.

06:30:41.480 No, go ahead.

06:30:42.140 Go ahead.

06:30:42.340 I'm sorry.

06:30:42.420 I'm sorry.

06:30:43.060 Okay.

06:30:44.320 I have a bit of a redemption arc because of my alcoholism.

06:30:48.620 But I wouldn't tell my son that he should maybe, like, do the same things that maybe

06:30:57.780 his dad did, because that is suboptimal.

06:31:00.400 And yes, I made changes, but that is the exemption or exception.

06:31:05.540 Yeah, I'm not saying to go out of your way and look for someone who's a reformed prostitute

06:31:09.000 to marry.

06:31:09.420 That's not at all what I'm saying.

06:31:10.540 I'm just saying that those people have just as equal opportunity.

06:31:13.760 Because if God says they have value once they give their life to God and he has gifts

06:31:17.620 for them that he's going to bless them with, I have no authority to tell that individual

06:31:21.660 that they have no right to have a family or no right to have children or no right to be

06:31:25.520 a redemption.

06:31:25.620 Yeah, find a guy who's willing to do that, but my...

06:31:27.060 Well, God will know that man.

06:31:28.380 I'm not that man.

06:31:28.500 Would you tell your virgin son to marry a reformed prostitute?

06:31:31.880 I will tell my son to marry whoever God tells him to marry.

06:31:34.580 Yeah, but...

06:31:35.200 Okay, so just to...

06:31:36.400 I'm going to say...

06:31:36.920 I leave this to you, Ed.

06:31:38.220 There is obviously...

06:31:39.220 Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

06:31:40.340 Relax, relax, before you start prattling again forever and ever, and I can't get a word

06:31:43.640 in.

06:31:44.280 When we move into this, okay, I just want to know, your son comes to you, he's 18 years

06:31:49.320 old, and he's like, Mom, Betty's down the road who did OnlyFans for three years.

06:31:53.480 I want to marry her, and she's done 250 scenes and sucked a thousand dicks.

06:31:57.500 I want to marry her.

06:31:58.680 You're going to be like, well, okay, Junior.

06:32:01.760 Has God called you to do it?

06:32:03.180 And he goes, sure has, Mom.

06:32:04.580 I would tell him to ask his dad about that, his father about it.

06:32:07.320 Talk to your father.

06:32:07.640 What do you think his dad would say?

06:32:09.780 Whatever his father says, that's his father.

06:32:11.860 Yeah, so do you think that his father would probably say, uh, no, no?

06:32:17.260 I don't know, it might depend if she's given her life to God, if she's changed.

06:32:20.400 Okay, well, if his dad does say, uh, no, then you're going to, you know, go with that,

06:32:25.460 right?

06:32:25.760 Well, why not?

06:32:26.520 Yeah, he's not doing anything wrong by telling Junior, no, don't go and marry this prostitute,

06:32:32.340 even if you think God told you to.

06:32:34.700 That's not what I said.

06:32:35.640 I said, if someone's reformed and they've given their life to God, they're a new person

06:32:39.360 in Christ and they've changed their ways, they're just as much as a valuable individual

06:32:45.280 as I have.

06:32:46.200 Nobody's disputing that.

06:32:47.360 So I can't tell somebody not to marry that person because of their past.

06:32:51.860 Why not?

06:32:53.000 Because everybody has a past.

06:32:54.320 And Jesus says, when you are saved, you are washed and cleansed by the blood of the

06:32:57.560 lamb.

06:32:57.800 You are new.

06:32:58.480 That doesn't mean your past is erased.

06:33:00.700 It doesn't mean it's erased, but it means I cannot now treat you like you are a sin.

06:33:05.680 You are not a sin.

06:33:07.040 You live a life of sin, but you yourself as a human being are not a sin.

06:33:10.400 Got it.

06:33:10.620 Then let me ask you this last question, right?

06:33:13.300 Let's assume for a second that you found out that your babysitter had been a reformed

06:33:19.000 Christian for 15 years and lived a model life, but he had molested 15 children.

06:33:23.540 Would you leave him at home with your children?

06:33:25.120 That's not at all.

06:33:26.240 Would you leave him at home with your children?

06:33:28.220 He's a new person.

06:33:29.620 That's not.

06:33:30.300 You have no right to judge his past.

06:33:31.840 No, that's not at all like the same.

06:33:34.400 One is consensual, the other is to kill people who do that.

06:33:38.280 Wait, it wouldn't be your preference to do that?

06:33:40.320 It wouldn't be your preference to leave him there?

06:33:41.520 The Bible says to kill pedophiles.

06:33:42.480 No, because there's a big difference between consensuals.

06:33:44.600 Would you leave him with your daughter?

06:33:45.420 So you're equating a prostitute to a pedo.

06:33:49.080 No, what I'm equating to is I'm trying to say that it's insane to try to say that because

06:33:55.160 a person has a past, it's insane to say that because a person has a past, you can't make

06:34:01.140 a value judgment because they've been saved.

06:34:02.700 That's nuts.

06:34:03.440 I honestly think people can think that.

06:34:06.420 Are you saying that those people can't be reformed?

06:34:08.840 It's whatever.

06:34:10.040 Is that what you're saying?

06:34:11.360 I know a situation where I...

06:34:13.160 So they can't be reformed.

06:34:14.420 I know a situation where...

06:34:15.940 So they can't be reformed?

06:34:16.600 There's someone...

06:34:17.600 All right, can they be reformed?

06:34:19.120 God says to kill them.

06:34:19.680 Do you want to answer my question?

06:34:21.040 I gave you God's solution.

06:34:22.400 Okay.

06:34:23.380 So yes or no, can they be reformed?

06:34:25.160 Reformed.

06:34:26.760 I gave you my answer.

06:34:27.460 Yeah, you won't answer the fucking question.

06:34:29.760 Weak.

06:34:30.060 Can who be reformed?

06:34:31.320 The women?

06:34:31.600 You're calling a woman weak.

06:34:33.020 Your logic is weak.

06:34:34.320 You're calling a woman weak.

06:34:35.220 Good.

06:34:35.620 The real question is...

06:34:36.140 You need to hear it.

06:34:37.120 The real question is, can they be forgiven by Jesus?

06:34:40.060 No, the question is reformed.

06:34:42.360 Can they be forgiven by Jesus?

06:34:43.860 Well, this is the same question as you...

06:34:45.600 In your Catholic belief, do you think that a pedophile who molested 15 kids can be forgiven

06:34:50.040 by God?

06:34:50.460 Guys, guys, guys, let's not even...

06:34:52.720 Hold on.

06:34:53.320 He used it first.

06:34:53.760 Hold on.

06:34:53.980 No, no, no.

06:34:54.220 I'm just changing the entire topic because you guys can't...

06:34:57.200 The reason this is brought up is to test the logic of saying, can we judge the past?

06:35:01.900 I would say, of course, put him on the sword in a second.

06:35:05.280 Love to say it.

06:35:06.240 I'm giving you examples for the Bible.

06:35:07.680 I'm also not saying that a person like that can't be saved, not saying that a prostitute

06:35:11.120 can't be saved, but I'm saying we can look at both of their past and go, we can make

06:35:14.380 a value judgment on you.

06:35:15.620 I can understand that.

06:35:16.920 We can judge behavior.

06:35:18.280 Okay, I'm just...

06:35:18.860 I'm changing the entire conversation.

06:35:20.840 We can judge behavior based on the past.

06:35:22.040 Abide by the guidelines we provide before the show.

06:35:25.600 Andrew, you are my hero.

06:35:26.800 I've been listening to you talk on whatever for a while now, and it has made me consider

06:35:30.960 a lot about my role as a female and wife.

06:35:33.420 Do you want a quick response?

06:35:34.520 Awesome.

06:35:35.360 Glad you enjoyed the show.

06:35:36.780 Thank you, Amanda.

06:35:37.520 The MedTech, we have also Mr. Travolta here coming in in just a second.

06:35:42.560 Respectfully, first and last day super chatting, dating podcasts is off the rails, religious

06:35:47.300 nuts, absent hosts, feminists accusing men of looking down tops, lackluster answers for

06:35:55.700 super chat questions.

06:35:59.640 Fishizzle?

06:36:01.280 I'm sorry.

06:36:02.220 I don't know.

06:36:02.640 This was a weirder show tonight, I noticed, but I think it's because it was really contentious.

06:36:07.680 And so when chats came in, we weren't really focusing as much on those as we were with

06:36:12.740 arguing.

06:36:13.640 Yeah.

06:36:13.940 And sometimes, look, the questions aren't always the most clear when it comes to some

06:36:17.820 of these chats, if you know what I mean.

06:36:19.800 Oftentimes, it's best to make it as simple as possible.

06:36:23.540 Nigerian scammer chatters?

06:36:25.480 We have Ben George, Two Scare Tasks Culturally, Where the Fathers Are, Why Might That Be?

06:36:30.140 And then he clarified, culture, we live in a melting pot of culture.

06:36:33.640 Do you know what culture means?

06:36:35.660 No, I'm R slurred.

06:36:36.660 Sorry, I don't know what that means.

06:36:37.840 Then he says, Ben George, there is Asian culture, Latin culture, black or African American

06:36:42.700 culture, Native American culture.

06:36:44.660 There's also, dare I say, white culture or European culture.

06:36:48.200 Why would you, why dare you say that?

06:36:50.460 But, um, so which culture has the father's present?

06:36:55.220 Uh.

06:36:59.900 Is that, I.

06:37:02.620 Well, I couldn't tell you.

06:37:06.560 Where's the room?

06:37:07.480 On behalf of the room.

06:37:10.480 Uh.

06:37:12.220 You don't want to engage with this one.

06:37:14.460 Oh, I don't?

06:37:15.260 No.

06:37:15.460 Cause.

06:37:18.500 Is it TOS?

06:37:19.540 I don't know if it's TOS.

06:37:20.620 Yes, that one, I would not.

06:37:22.080 I don't think it's TOS.

06:37:24.540 Like, to just state a stat about.

06:37:27.820 Yep.

06:37:28.260 It's TOS?

06:37:28.960 I would stay clear of it.

06:37:30.140 Uh, hey, you know what, Andrew, he's the adjudicator, he's the, he's the arbiter of this,

06:37:36.020 so, uh, you know, uh, unfortunately, Ben George, I think we know what you're trying

06:37:40.640 to get at, and, uh, can we say that there's different rates of fatherhood among different

06:37:47.480 races?

06:37:48.140 That's, I think that's okay.

06:37:49.380 There's different rates of father.

06:37:53.000 Doesn't, isn't this like a Ben Shapiro?

06:37:55.200 Like, Ben Shapiro says this shit all the time.

06:37:56.760 Hey, but you could say whatever you want to say on QUX, the tech company I co-founded.

06:38:02.200 A little shameless plug there.

06:38:03.980 Really?

06:38:04.440 Can you, can you, can you go on there, can you go on there and be a Nazi?

06:38:07.960 You can go on there and say whatever you want to say.

06:38:10.320 Even if you, even if you were like, like pro H word, you could go on there?

06:38:15.060 H word?

06:38:15.300 You can say whatever you want to say on there.

06:38:16.980 Oh, really?

06:38:17.500 Yeah.

06:38:18.260 All right, here, let's move this on.

06:38:19.580 You know, whether you like it or not, free speech is free speech.

06:38:21.980 Uh, okay, we are, we were talking to Ray, Ray, Rayna, uh, we were talking about turning

06:38:28.540 a hoe into a housewife.

06:38:29.860 Yeah, I don't recommend it, but look, you know what I mean?

06:38:31.900 It's not for the weak.

06:38:34.440 What?

06:38:35.240 It's for the strong?

06:38:36.120 You would, yeah, you would argue it is for the weak.

06:38:38.860 I mean.

06:38:40.080 Strong men, a strong man would not be inclined to deal with that headache.

06:38:44.220 That's not always, necessarily always true.

06:38:46.640 Nah, we men, we go into the world and combat the difficulties of the world.

06:38:50.740 We don't want to come home to a, uh, if I can quote Proverbs 21, 19, better to live in

06:38:56.560 the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.

06:38:59.180 Uh, we don't want to contend with our, we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't, we just read

06:39:02.600 Proverbs 5 out loud.

06:39:05.340 I'm not familiar with.

06:39:06.500 You should read it.

06:39:07.340 Okay.

06:39:08.000 Well, I'll have to look it up later, but, um, let's see.

06:39:12.480 I'm just seeing if there's any other stuff from you.

06:39:15.260 Um, he, there's cheating.

06:39:17.560 Uh, you're dating this guy.

06:39:19.340 Uh, were you, uh, jealous if he did scenes with other chicks?

06:39:24.640 Um, yeah, I think it, it did eventually, uh, get to that point, but I think he gave me

06:39:32.260 problems about my scenes first and then that jealousy kind of grew in, the resentment grew

06:39:38.020 in me because he would do that to me when he said that, you know, it wasn't fine.

06:39:41.580 So yeah, I think it became like jealousy over time, but not at first I wasn't, I was like

06:39:46.540 really cool and just, all right.

06:39:49.340 Uh, so, okay.

06:39:52.540 We're going to move on to faith.

06:39:54.320 Yes.

06:39:54.960 Faith here.

06:39:55.580 You said you went through a little party phase.

06:39:57.960 Yeah, I did.

06:39:58.980 Um, so I grew up very, very sheltered.

06:40:01.480 Um, I was, I went to Catholic school, did the whole shebang and, um, and then I, I, I went

06:40:10.040 off to my first year of college and, um, I never, I never really went to a party in high

06:40:15.560 school except for one party my senior year and I stayed for like an hour.

06:40:19.200 And so then my freshman year of college, when I went off to ASU, I just was like, oh my gosh,

06:40:25.440 this is awesome.

06:40:26.780 You know?

06:40:27.620 And, um.

06:40:28.320 You went to ASU?

06:40:29.520 Yeah, I go to ASU.

06:40:30.180 Major party school.

06:40:31.520 Okay.

06:40:31.740 I've heard about that.

06:40:32.460 Yeah.

06:40:33.400 Um, and I was an idiot, uh, because I was still a hopeless romantic at heart.

06:40:38.700 And I was like, hmm, I really want to find my husband.

06:40:40.840 You know where the perfect place is to do that fraternity parties.

06:40:44.680 I feel like you could say something about this too, but, um, but yeah.

06:40:49.100 And, and so I would go to these fraternity parties and I'd be there for like 15 minutes.

06:40:53.140 And then all of a sudden I would see like the disgusting behavior going on.

06:40:57.220 And I would just sort of have like a dissociative, dissociative moment and like start like crying

06:41:02.040 outside being like, oh my gosh, this is so like depraved and sad and depressing.

06:41:06.320 And I would go home and then I would repeat the cycle again, expecting a different outcome

06:41:10.360 because I was just stupid.

06:41:11.960 How often were you partying?

06:41:13.620 Um, it just, just on the weekends and like, maybe on like, like Thursdays, just occasionally

06:41:19.280 if I finished my homework.

06:41:20.820 Greek life is evil.

06:41:22.040 You would go to the party for 15 minutes, leave, and then go to a new party for 15 minutes?

06:41:27.240 No, no, no.

06:41:27.640 So I would, I would go to a party for like 15 minutes.

06:41:29.840 I would get all dolled up, get ready, go out to this party for like 15 minutes, sometimes

06:41:33.580 30 if it was like more tolerable.

06:41:35.120 And then I would go outside and I would just be super bummed, super sad.

06:41:40.720 And, um, I would go home and then the next week the cycle would repeat because my, my

06:41:45.740 friends would be like, Hey, you know, such and such theme is going on.

06:41:48.640 We can get dressed up, blah, blah, blah, blah.

06:41:50.300 And so I was like, okay, yeah, I don't, I don't want to be left out.

06:41:52.460 I don't want to stay at home and in my dorm dorm room, you know?

06:41:55.800 And so what did you do wrong if you just went to these parties and left in 20 minutes?

06:41:58.980 I, it's, it's, it was the, it was the, it was the drinking and then they're getting

06:42:04.720 drunk in 20 minutes.

06:42:06.040 No, like the pre-gaming.

06:42:07.560 And then additionally, when you go there, they also give out free alcohol.

06:42:10.140 And so I would, I would just get, so you would get drunk to go to the party.

06:42:13.400 Yeah.

06:42:14.020 Yeah.

06:42:14.520 And that's how bad it was.

06:42:15.780 No.

06:42:15.940 So you said, but you're now you're newly married.

06:42:18.540 You said, you described yourself born again, Christian.

06:42:21.040 Yes.

06:42:21.500 21.

06:42:22.420 Yes.

06:42:22.780 You said being married at 21 in this day and age is an anomaly.

06:42:26.460 Yes.

06:42:28.220 Okay.

06:42:28.860 It's true.

06:42:29.280 You said also there's a huge divide between men and women today as there's an attack on

06:42:33.720 family, the female empowerment lifestyle I was living before becoming Christian was highly

06:42:38.760 counterproductive to what is healthiest, what most women my age actually want deep down and

06:42:45.220 emotionally mature, strong, loyal man.

06:42:47.780 Many of the qualities women are pushing back on are the exact qualities that will give them

06:42:53.100 the stable and healthy relationships they desire and that every human being deserves.

06:42:58.440 Do you care to elaborate on any of that?

06:43:00.120 Yeah, absolutely.

06:43:01.000 So also my first year of college, um, I was an astrology girl.

06:43:06.700 I was just totally off my rocker.

06:43:09.560 I was like, I hate men, men suck at the patriarchy, you know?

06:43:14.460 And like, I was on my whole, yeah, right?

06:43:18.640 Womp womp.

06:43:19.240 I know.

06:43:19.660 I know.

06:43:19.940 It was really bad.

06:43:20.860 It was really bad.

06:43:21.760 And, and I was like, I don't need to conform or submit to any man.

06:43:26.420 It's garbage, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

06:43:28.280 And then it's like, okay, yeah, you say all this.

06:43:31.300 And yet here you are unhappy, single, alone, you know, um, and depressed, really, really

06:43:37.980 depressed.

06:43:38.600 And, um, and then I had, um, and I just hit rock bottom and I had an, uh, a personal encounter.

06:43:45.320 Um, you know, I, I feel, uh, with, with God, with the Holy Spirit and everything.

06:43:49.920 Wait, were you about to say you had a shmush motion?

06:43:52.680 What?

06:43:53.960 No, no, no, no, no, no.

06:43:54.940 It sounded like you're about to say, okay.

06:43:56.560 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.

06:43:58.260 Not at all.

06:43:59.120 Um, but yeah, no, I, I just, I just hit a rock bottom.

06:44:02.740 I like self isolated from everyone.

06:44:05.180 I just, I just found that it party culture and just a lot of people there, it's just kind

06:44:10.000 of like a bottomless void of nothingness and emptiness and you're not going to find anything

06:44:13.480 really fulfilling and meaningful there.

06:44:14.860 And so those places where I was seeking that out, it's, and, and how I was seeking it out

06:44:19.120 and conducting myself in that behavior, it's not going to provide anything that I wanted

06:44:23.240 because at the end of the day, I did want a loyal man.

06:44:25.180 And when I would watch the, whatever podcast and everything, I would see all these girls

06:44:29.360 and they're like, oh yeah, you know, in a couple of years when I want to settle down

06:44:32.900 after I finished my OF career or whatever it is, I would love to be on one of those podcasts.

06:44:36.840 Yeah.

06:44:37.280 Like, like when I finished my OF career, you know, I'll find this husband, blah, blah, blah.

06:44:41.060 So it's like, even like if you're not really thinking about it or even like how, how

06:44:44.760 you were saying like, it's, and, and how all of us were saying we've all had experiences,

06:44:48.860 most of us where a guy has screwed us over and it's hurt because we want that commitment.

06:44:52.220 We want that loyalty and we can't get that if we're going out partying, being like totally

06:44:56.700 crazy, whatever it is.

06:44:58.560 Um, and, uh, so after, after I became Christian, I, I humbled myself and, um, and I got like

06:45:05.320 a totally, you know, I got a totally new nature.

06:45:07.720 I got way more in touch with my femininity and, um, and yeah, I don't, I don't, you know,

06:45:12.520 it was like, did you ever have color in your hair?

06:45:14.300 Uh, I did.

06:45:15.000 I did.

06:45:15.400 Was this your feminist days?

06:45:16.880 Yes.

06:45:17.380 What color?

06:45:18.040 Blue?

06:45:18.640 Uh, no, no, no.

06:45:19.720 It was like, it was, it was red.

06:45:21.480 It was, yeah, not, not like a, like a bright, like Pennywise red, but oh my God, uh, it's

06:45:27.940 on my phone, but yeah.

06:45:29.300 All right.

06:45:29.640 Uh, you, one of the things that you wanted to, you said you had a disagreement with the

06:45:33.560 show.

06:45:34.240 Sometimes the way women are demeaned.

06:45:38.020 Yeah.

06:45:38.860 And I assume you're talking about Andrew here.

06:45:40.860 Yeah.

06:45:41.480 I was.

06:45:42.120 I was.

06:45:42.800 I'm sorry.

06:45:43.320 Raging misogynist.

06:45:44.600 No, not a misogynist.

06:45:45.860 I just.

06:45:46.060 Because you do believe it pushes women to be angry at men more divided.

06:45:50.520 Uh, well, I've often received this at this, uh, not accusation too, I suppose.

06:45:56.300 Uh, so in, can you provide an example of a time, you know?

06:46:02.020 Yeah.

06:46:02.340 Um, I, I can't think of like the exact, anything tonight, no, I like, I just, no, no, uh, there

06:46:11.060 was, there was, um, a time on a recent episode.

06:46:13.960 I can't remember like word for word, but no, no, no, it was Andrew.

06:46:19.040 I'm sorry.

06:46:20.080 I'm sorry.

06:46:21.060 And again, I like, I, I, I agree with your views.

06:46:23.820 Um, but, uh, but it's the way I say it.

06:46:26.780 It's, it's not the way you say it.

06:46:28.360 It's actually like words that you say and it's counterproductive to getting your point

06:46:33.040 across.

06:46:33.440 I don't, I like my, like my dad, like straight up, like is super conservative.

06:46:38.540 And when I was in my liberal phase would like straight up, like yell at me, whatever it is.

06:46:41.860 But I, you know, it, it wasn't in the way like that.

06:46:45.460 Um, so there was a girl that was talking about like, I'm a born again virgin or whatever it

06:46:49.200 was.

06:46:49.440 And you're like, can you like peace together?

06:46:51.040 Like, or can you, can you regenerate?

06:46:54.200 No.

06:46:54.580 Was it the Asian girl?

06:46:55.420 When I asked her if God could give her back her hymen?

06:46:57.980 Yeah.

06:46:58.700 Yeah.

06:46:59.200 That was super funny.

06:47:02.040 She was so pissed.

06:47:03.360 That chick was so mad, but it's stupid.

06:47:05.560 It's stupid.

06:47:06.480 It is.

06:47:06.940 It is stupid.

06:47:07.560 Why doesn't anybody just say, look, don't be stupid.

06:47:09.420 You can say it's stupid, but then there are like, but you know what really emphasizes

06:47:13.060 that?

06:47:14.180 What really emphasizes that is when you make a comment like that and they're like, fuck,

06:47:17.800 okay, that's stupid.

06:47:19.040 Yeah.

06:47:19.600 Yeah.

06:47:20.000 I can understand that.

06:47:21.240 But then you also have people that are like, see, you know, like, uh, like he hates women

06:47:26.860 and this is why like, you know, we should rebel against this versus I, I feel like if

06:47:31.080 the comments were maybe a little less crass in that, in that regard, it could have gotten

06:47:35.020 your point across better, but I do under, I do understand.

06:47:37.520 And like, I could be totally wrong.

06:47:38.700 Have you ever heard of a creator named Pearl Davis?

06:47:41.560 Um, yes, actually.

06:47:44.140 Yes.

06:47:44.320 Yo, shout out Pearl.

06:47:45.560 Yeah.

06:47:45.660 One of the reasons that, um, I think that so many women come after her and hate her guts

06:47:51.760 is because she's funny and most women are not funny.

06:47:56.040 Yeah.

06:47:56.340 They suck and they're miserable when it comes to humor.

06:47:58.680 They're just not funny.

06:47:59.860 Yeah.

06:48:00.160 And I think they actually get mad at her because she's hilarious and that's just really rare

06:48:04.400 to see that comment that I made was super funny.

06:48:08.060 And everybody was laughing except of course, a bunch of women are saying, I can't believe

06:48:12.920 it.

06:48:13.040 I don't think it's a women thing.

06:48:14.340 I think it's a message and it's like, have I demeaned?

06:48:17.500 Have I done any demeaning?

06:48:18.760 Yeah.

06:48:18.960 You were awful, Brian.

06:48:20.440 No, not tonight.

06:48:22.740 I mean, like not honestly, not that I, not that I think of, of course off the top of my

06:48:28.460 head, I'm not going to say something that's not true or that I can't recall.

06:48:31.080 I've probably demeaned.

06:48:32.060 I mean, like we're, and we're all guilty.

06:48:35.300 I think that some of the questions I've heard asked on the show have been a bit demeaning.

06:48:40.560 Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

06:48:41.580 Say that again.

06:48:42.140 I think some of the, some of the questions asked on the show have been a bit demeaning

06:48:46.500 and I don't know if it's just because of this being a dating podcast, some of the questions

06:48:51.560 that are being asked, but I find some of them being very inappropriate or, you know,

06:48:57.980 just pushing boundaries.

06:48:59.700 Which, which one?

06:49:02.060 Um, well, I mean, there, there's different ones where you've asked, um, I know you had

06:49:08.780 an issue with the rating yourself thing.

06:49:11.220 Yeah.

06:49:11.420 Was the rating one inappropriate or demeaning?

06:49:14.400 I wouldn't say that one.

06:49:15.520 I mean, I, that seemed to be the only question you really, no, no, I, I, give me some examples.

06:49:19.800 I agree.

06:49:20.120 Okay.

06:49:20.440 So I thought that that one was, to me, it's kind of like not a very, I feel like it's

06:49:29.520 not a very intellectual question to, to ask somebody just asking them to rate themselves.

06:49:36.920 But I guess if that's the current dating culture that everyone just does, then maybe I'm just

06:49:41.440 not aware of that because I've, you know, haven't been dating for 12 years.

06:49:45.900 Okay.

06:49:46.680 But, um, so I, I think some of that stuff just to me, some of the, the level of questions

06:49:50.860 that are being asked just don't seem like I'm used to, for example, I'm used to going

06:49:55.280 on a lot of podcasts on a lot of shows and I'm used to men interacting with me in a way

06:50:00.680 that's more professional or respectful.

06:50:02.580 So I, I, my thing is I've noticed like the questions being asked here and the, the way

06:50:07.240 the women are being talked to here is kind of more or less like a little bit more like

06:50:12.340 they're being looked at as sex objects, which, you know, maybe, maybe, how could you possibly

06:50:17.180 arrive?

06:50:17.900 She's such a fucking feminist.

06:50:19.200 You're a fucking feminist.

06:50:21.940 I'm sorry.

06:50:22.780 Hold on.

06:50:23.080 I'm going to fucking double down on this shit with a fucking answer.

06:50:26.220 You're a fucking feminist.

06:50:27.560 Everything that's come out your fucking mouth.

06:50:29.960 You are a fucking feminist.

06:50:31.560 Here's my proof.

06:50:32.540 Okay.

06:50:32.800 Allow me to prove it.

06:50:34.080 Here's a point here on one of your podcasts.

06:50:37.040 Yeah.

06:50:37.480 On one of your.

06:50:38.080 You said tonight though.

06:50:38.960 Hey, no, I didn't say tonight.

06:50:40.780 I said on one of your, one of your podcasts, you asked women about the anatomy of their vaginas.

06:50:47.840 How is that not treating women like sex objects?

06:50:51.460 Hold on.

06:50:51.780 I think the TTS does that.

06:50:53.000 What specific.

06:50:53.680 Okay.

06:50:53.920 Tell me specifically what I said.

06:50:55.680 I think I know what you're getting at, but specifically, what did I say?

06:50:58.960 Are you talking about that two hole prostitute?

06:51:00.580 No, you asked women specifically about the anatomy of their vaginas.

06:51:05.640 That's what you asked on your, on your specifically.

06:51:08.200 I think you said if they had any vaginas or out of vaginas, you're asking them to go around

06:51:12.120 the table and talk about their vaginas.

06:51:14.840 And to me, I think that is, no, it's not a joke.

06:51:19.380 I think to me, that's not a, I mean, that's kind of a demeaning question to ask a woman.

06:51:25.680 Would you ask that to your mother?

06:51:27.940 What?

06:51:28.440 Yeah.

06:51:28.640 Would you ask your mother and her friends, you know, do you have an in-ear or out-of-vagina

06:51:33.760 in a bakery?

06:51:35.100 First off.

06:51:35.680 Would you ask that to your mother?

06:51:36.900 First off.

06:51:37.500 The way that you.

06:51:37.840 Ask her how many fingers have been in her cake.

06:51:39.960 Yeah.

06:51:40.720 Call up your mom right now and ask her if she has an in-ear or out-of-vagina.

06:51:44.480 Well, hold on.

06:51:44.940 The question.

06:51:45.380 I mean, is that appropriate?

06:51:46.380 Are you going to let me answer there?

06:51:47.580 Are you going to let me answer the question?

06:51:49.040 Yeah, go ahead.

06:51:49.140 Are you just going to continue yapping on as Andrew says here?

06:51:52.020 Okay.

06:51:52.360 Go ahead.

06:51:52.580 Okay, the way that you conduct yourself in any scenario is going to vary based on the

06:51:57.680 relationship dynamics that exist.

06:51:59.880 For example, we're all actors to some degree.

06:52:02.840 The way that I might conduct myself or that I might have conducted myself when I was in

06:52:07.000 school, for example, and there's a teacher, I'm going to conduct myself much differently

06:52:11.160 than when I'm among my friends.

06:52:13.840 Or the way you conduct yourself at work is much different than the way you might conduct

06:52:17.880 yourself, you know, with, again, a friend group or your girlfriend, for example.

06:52:22.580 So would I ask my mom about, first off, I'm kind of, you bringing my mother into this

06:52:29.940 is sort of insulting in its own right, but no, to answer your question, I wouldn't ask

06:52:35.280 her this question, but this is a dating podcast.

06:52:37.880 We regularly talk about sex-related things, dating-related things.

06:52:42.360 Now, to actually address the initial point that you made about that I was asking that

06:52:46.460 question, you're actually just full-on.

06:52:49.020 Erroneous.

06:52:50.080 Erroneous.

06:52:50.320 You're just wrong, and you're actually, it's very disingenuous, just like-

06:52:54.300 How is it disingenuous?

06:52:55.360 Hold on, hold on.

06:52:55.900 Just like when we were saying she should bow, you made this, like, false accusation that

06:53:02.020 our intention was to be predatory and teed down her shirt, which actually wasn't the case

06:53:07.600 at all.

06:53:08.100 Well, you said bow towards the camera?

06:53:10.080 I'm about to destroy your fucking position.

06:53:12.060 A TTS came in and asked the question.

06:53:15.340 It wasn't me.

06:53:17.240 It was a TTS that said, inies or outies, ladies.

06:53:20.680 If I'm recalling, it was the previous show, I'm pretty sure.

06:53:23.940 Nick, you might recall.

06:53:25.380 Spencer, you might recall.

06:53:27.080 Madison, you might recall.

06:53:28.460 It wasn't me just like out of the ether asking the question.

06:53:31.980 A TTS asked it.

06:53:33.140 And I was almost, like, hesitantly, like, I was kind of, it's obviously a bit uncomfortable

06:53:40.000 to ask somebody about their genitalia.

06:53:42.320 But out of respect for the TTS, I was like, okay, fuck it, I guess.

06:53:47.760 So it's a bit disingenuous for you to say that it was me asking when I was just entertaining

06:53:53.420 the person who asked the question via the TTS.

06:53:56.600 Right.

06:53:56.620 I mean, do you have to ask all the questions?

06:53:59.760 And I told the girls, I'm pretty sure I told the girls, you don't have to answer the question.

06:54:03.900 And in fact, Andrew, I think you were there, too, in a call-in.

06:54:07.020 So it's just a little bit unfair.

06:54:09.220 You've done some very unfair characterizations.

06:54:11.120 But don't you think that is an inappropriate question to be asking?

06:54:13.400 How this always works is like this.

06:54:15.440 And I've watched this now.

06:54:17.040 I think, by the way, I made history tonight because I think that I'm the, what, like,

06:54:22.580 the most recurred.

06:54:23.360 You are the most recurring guest on the show.

06:54:26.620 Whatever history.

06:54:27.160 What do you know?

06:54:28.180 Anyway, I've seen this so many times now.

06:54:31.140 But what Brian always does is he will stop on a question if you don't want to answer it.

06:54:36.680 And he might ask you your reasoning.

06:54:38.540 And if your reasoning is silly, he might argue back and forth.

06:54:42.000 He never actually tells women they have to answer the question.

06:54:45.720 He'll just argue.

06:54:46.980 If they're giving a reason why they won't, that makes no sense.

06:54:51.120 I don't see why that's a problem.

06:54:52.620 If I recall correctly to that actual question, mind you, if I recall, I think none of the

06:54:57.120 women answered and I left it at that.

06:55:00.320 Just asked her from the TTS.

06:55:02.640 But okay.

06:55:03.540 But I mean, in a dating podcast, you're going to talk about sex.

06:55:06.920 You're going to talk about all that kind of stuff.

06:55:09.060 I mean, that's what the whole point is.

06:55:11.100 Like, I get it.

06:55:12.240 It's not comfortable to be in a room full of fucking DGens talking about sex all the time.

06:55:18.520 But if you want to get your message to people, you want to go.

06:55:21.400 Would you ask that on a first date to a girl you want to meet with?

06:55:24.000 Fuck yeah, bro.

06:55:25.100 If she had in any.

06:55:26.160 Pull up big labia matter.

06:55:27.400 Pull that shit up.

06:55:28.300 Fuck it.

06:55:28.500 I'm not.

06:55:29.400 Hashtag big labia matter.

06:55:30.720 For me, those types of things, I don't give a shit about how many, you know, this has

06:55:37.440 happened or that or what you rate.

06:55:38.880 Like, those things for me are the least important thing from my perspective for the podcast.

06:55:43.160 I don't care.

06:55:43.860 That's not what I'm here for.

06:55:45.780 I'm here to give ideological pushback.

06:55:47.740 I'm just saying to you, I understand on a dating podcast, it makes sense why those questions

06:55:52.100 would be asked.

06:55:53.760 That's all.

06:55:55.240 Girls ask me if I'm a munch.

06:55:57.560 What is that?

06:55:58.000 It's a munch.

06:55:58.460 You don't want to know.

06:56:01.420 You don't know?

06:56:02.460 I know.

06:56:02.660 Wait, Renee, why don't you tell us, Renee?

06:56:04.180 Wow.

06:56:04.620 Renee, why don't you tell us?

06:56:05.540 You guys need feminism.

06:56:07.200 A munch is just a certified eater.

06:56:10.200 Oh my God.

06:56:10.500 You just invite him over to eat you out.

06:56:12.780 That's it.

06:56:13.060 That's fucking disgusting.

06:56:15.200 Hey.

06:56:16.260 Do you have that?

06:56:18.020 No.

06:56:18.740 I just know what it is.

06:56:19.320 You call it an eater?

06:56:20.520 Wait, is that the thing that?

06:56:22.420 People call it a munch.

06:56:23.980 Is that the thing that I spice?

06:56:25.800 Yeah.

06:56:26.820 Oh my God.

06:56:28.140 You're just a munch.

06:56:29.100 You're just eating my coochie.

06:56:30.300 That's all I'm saying.

06:56:30.900 Oh my God.

06:56:31.020 I thought it was like a Cheeto.

06:56:33.320 What?

06:56:34.000 Foul, preacher.

06:56:34.760 Foul.

06:56:35.040 But like, hold on.

06:56:36.760 Millie, do you see why me and Andrew might think you're a feminist?

06:56:40.000 Because you've used a bunch of buzzwords.

06:56:42.000 Sexual objectification.

06:56:44.740 Demeaning.

06:56:45.060 What was the other?

06:56:45.780 Demeaning.

06:56:46.100 Demeaning.

06:56:46.420 Well, here's the question.

06:56:47.560 Is it impossible to be sexually objected to a man or a woman?

06:56:51.940 Yeah.

06:56:52.140 Both men and women can be sexually objectified.

06:56:54.220 But I don't even really know what that means, though.

06:56:55.800 My thing was like, my perspective and take on asking certain questions like that was that

06:57:00.700 it was kind of treating the women as sexual objects.

06:57:02.420 Sure.

06:57:02.640 But the go-to.

06:57:03.340 But what happened?

06:57:03.580 Here's the big example, right?

06:57:04.920 Is the go-to.

06:57:05.580 The go-to is with the bow thing.

06:57:09.360 The bow thing was nuts.

06:57:10.800 Like, that made no sense.

06:57:12.300 Nobody was trying to see down this girl's shirt.

06:57:14.740 Okay.

06:57:15.200 Well, you have to understand.

06:57:16.340 She's wearing a low-cut blouse.

06:57:17.540 There was an ongoing meme on the show.

06:57:18.860 There's a camera right here.

06:57:20.000 You said face the camera.

06:57:21.340 Yeah, there's a meme.

06:57:21.840 Bow to the camera.

06:57:22.740 I'm seeing that as she's bowing down, you can start to see more and more.

06:57:26.420 Yeah, it's a meme.

06:57:26.780 And I was wanting to let her know, hey, wait, they're trying to, you know.

06:57:29.180 Or you're trying to kind of be like motherhood in a way.

06:57:31.120 Who's they?

06:57:31.740 But couldn't you have just said you might be exposed to yourself rather than they're trying

06:57:34.820 to get you to do this?

06:57:35.300 Who are you accusing, though?

06:57:36.520 Okay.

06:57:36.840 Who are you accusing?

06:57:37.580 Well, you guys seemed like it was really fun and funny and just, I don't know.

06:57:40.920 Yeah, it's a meme.

06:57:42.120 Okay.

06:57:42.540 Literally, it's an ongoing meme of the show.

06:57:44.740 So, there's women, it's like, oh, you know, can we get her to do it?

06:57:49.920 And then it's patriarchy wins again.

06:57:51.740 It has nothing to do with any.

06:57:53.380 It's an ongoing meme, literally a joke.

06:57:56.080 And it's funny.

06:57:56.900 I'm a nasty joke.

06:57:58.660 So, yeah, that was definitely not the intention.

06:58:02.660 Thank you.

06:58:02.800 But it was your go-to.

06:58:04.480 I don't really care about booze.

06:58:05.820 It was your go-to, along with all the other feminist ideologies.

06:58:08.840 No, I'm not a feminist, Zach.

06:58:10.860 I'm not a feminist.

06:58:11.880 I'm a conservative.

06:58:12.780 See, I don't think you guys are actually.

06:58:14.300 He said he's not a conservative man.

06:58:16.020 I agree that he's not.

06:58:16.840 You say that you're a conservative man, but I've heard you tonight espouse a lot of kind

06:58:20.800 of beliefs that aren't necessarily conservative.

06:58:23.280 I can't wait to hear one.

06:58:24.820 I would love to hear one belief I have a spouse that's not conservative.

06:58:28.220 Just one.

06:58:30.300 Well, I guess some of the beliefs you said on, you were pushing back against making it

06:58:36.020 illegal to essentially have premarital sex.

06:58:41.200 It's a non-conservative belief not to criminalize premarital sex.

06:58:45.420 Is that correct?

06:58:47.360 Right.

06:58:47.720 But then the other thing.

06:58:48.820 No, is that correct?

06:58:50.060 Well, I would say that if you were.

06:58:51.820 Is that correct?

06:58:52.580 I'm not saying that necessarily.

06:58:54.600 Okay.

06:58:54.840 That was one indication.

06:58:56.100 But that was your example?

06:58:56.880 The other indication was is when we were discussing about what conservative men should be held

06:59:03.080 accountable to as far as like engaging in premarital sex.

06:59:07.060 And you were really kind of pushing it more on that it was the woman.

06:59:11.860 Nope.

06:59:12.000 And that she's the one who has the choice and the say at the end of the day.

06:59:15.500 In fact, I said they're chastity.

06:59:17.260 And that you said women, you said women hold the power.

06:59:20.340 So they're gatekeepers of sex.

06:59:21.560 You said, yeah, women hold the power.

06:59:22.980 They're gatekeepers of sex.

06:59:24.080 Yeah.

06:59:24.220 As though.

06:59:24.820 And that's kind of pushing back in that, you know, men also have a role in it as well.

06:59:32.320 Yeah.

06:59:32.540 I said that.

06:59:33.400 Yeah.

06:59:33.600 And not only did I say that, but I said that male chastity is necessary.

06:59:37.940 I said absolutely 100% male promiscuity should be socially stigmatized just like female promiscuity.

06:59:45.180 All of it.

06:59:46.160 I still haven't actually heard a single position that I have.

06:59:49.580 Most conservatives.

06:59:50.220 Which would be antithetical to conservatism.

06:59:52.040 The conservatives I know believe in the Constitution.

06:59:53.680 And you did say you didn't believe in the Constitution.

06:59:55.860 No.

06:59:56.660 Listen.

06:59:57.840 So that you understand, because I don't think you ever got the argument.

07:00:00.480 It's not a matter of believing or not believing the Constitution.

07:00:02.640 The Constitution exists.

07:00:04.100 It's the law of the land.

07:00:04.960 People follow it.

07:00:05.740 They do or don't follow it.

07:00:06.840 Whatever.

07:00:07.980 I was making an argument against rights being anything other than a social construction.

07:00:13.120 That has nothing to do with my belief in the Constitution.

07:00:15.840 Saying the Constitution is wrong.

07:00:17.600 Nothing like that.

07:00:18.480 Just that the rights which are entailed in it are a social construction built on a false starting point.

07:00:24.000 An axiom.

07:00:25.400 That's it.

07:00:26.200 That's the whole argument.

07:00:27.540 There's nothing antithetical to conservatism about it.

07:00:29.760 In fact, conservatism should be about the conservation of the Bible, not the conservation of the Constitution.

07:00:36.220 We know this because you yourself would want to see certain amendments from the old Constitution taken out like slavery, right?

07:00:41.860 So you want the Constitution to be amended, don't you?

07:00:46.120 Well, it already has been.

07:00:47.500 Right.

07:00:47.860 And you would like that, right?

07:00:49.860 That's not a bad thing.

07:00:51.080 Yeah, but I respect the Constitution as it stands today.

07:00:54.960 And, you know, the values that it has.

07:00:57.820 Yeah.

07:00:58.260 And it did kind of sound like earlier you were essentially arguing and undermining the Constitution.

07:01:03.600 Well, there's lots in the Constitution I don't like.

07:01:05.720 Yeah, totally.

07:01:06.520 Tons of things in it I don't like that I think suck.

07:01:09.520 I mean, I think that it sucks for one thing that we have a Congress now that doesn't elect the president.

07:01:17.260 And instead it's elected by popular vote.

07:01:18.940 I don't like that.

07:01:19.820 I think that that sucks.

07:01:20.780 I think that that's a stupid process and it never was the process.

07:01:24.080 I don't like the fact that we have expanded suffrage and we're continuing to expand suffrage.

07:01:29.940 That's a bad system.

07:01:30.980 There's lots of systems I can point to that are superior.

07:01:33.080 Tons of things in it I disagree with.

07:01:34.980 But what does that have to do with anything?

07:01:36.540 It's not a conservative principle.

07:01:39.220 So I don't – I'm still actually waiting to hear a single conservative principle I don't hold.

07:01:44.460 Right, I don't necessarily agree with wanting to ban, I guess, women's right to vote or take away women's right to vote as conservative beliefs.

07:01:54.420 We're not going to rehash that.

07:01:55.020 I don't believe that that's a conservative belief.

07:01:56.320 We do have a chat here.

07:01:57.640 Renee, can you read it for us?

07:02:01.320 You got this.

07:02:02.020 This feminist loon made me chat one more time.

07:02:04.420 They see the, quote, male boogeyman, end quote, everywhere.

07:02:06.860 It makes no sense for Brian to ask her to bow to see up her shirt with thousands of people watching.

07:02:12.080 You are an idiot.

07:02:14.540 I don't –

07:02:15.180 Well, then why would we ask that?

07:02:17.420 Because it's an ongoing meme.

07:02:19.700 It's an ongoing meme of the show where people –

07:02:21.300 Women will stand up and bow.

07:02:23.160 Wait, are you actually still just holding firm on your position?

07:02:25.920 Like she stood up and bowed.

07:02:27.600 Wait, are you still holding firm on your position?

07:02:29.640 He's saying it makes no sense to have her stand up and bow in front of the camera.

07:02:34.500 And I'm saying, well, you did.

07:02:36.860 But, well, yes, I'm not denying that I asked her to do it.

07:02:40.280 But are you staying firm in your assertions that my motivations for doing it was to see down her shirt?

07:02:48.020 Well, it was interpreted that that –

07:02:51.160 I interpreted it as that was a possibility of what was going on there.

07:02:54.760 You just got me toot, homie.

07:02:56.260 I was interpreting it as that.

07:02:58.240 It seemed kind of like it.

07:02:59.700 I mean, you're asking them to bow forward with low-cut shirts towards the camera.

07:03:04.780 Are you familiar with the bowing motion?

07:03:06.860 Like that – there's no other way to bow than to –

07:03:09.280 Yes, I'm familiar.

07:03:11.220 Right, but so what evidence do you have that the motivation was to see down her shirt?

07:03:16.520 I said that's how I interpreted it.

07:03:19.380 How?

07:03:20.520 Because the way that – like there was like laughing and giggling and it just –

07:03:23.800 It seemed like it.

07:03:24.700 Because laughing and giggling implies that there's like a bad faith reason for – like I don't get it.

07:03:35.780 Okay, well then why after I brought it up –

07:03:37.220 You're a feminist, bro.

07:03:37.760 No, why after I brought it up that you could see down –

07:03:41.480 Did you still continue to carry on and encourage her to do it?

07:03:46.000 Because that was never his intention.

07:03:47.860 Okay.

07:03:48.860 Is this a post-hoc justification?

07:03:50.880 Yes.

07:03:51.920 So because –

07:03:53.300 After you knew that the possibility existed, that she had a low-cut shirt, and it could spill the beans for the entirety of the camera,

07:04:00.620 why would you risk your channel with a nude shot by having her bow and show all of that, Brian?

07:04:04.980 You fool.

07:04:06.760 Why?

07:04:07.280 You sick fuck.

07:04:10.640 Get your shit together, Brian.

07:04:12.720 Unbelievable.

07:04:14.260 So I don't even think I pressed it that much further, but you're saying by virtue of me following up on the bow request,

07:04:24.100 that is evidence that your initial assertion is correct.

07:04:28.400 Well, it kind of made – yeah, following up when I'm like, hey, you know, we can totally see down your shirt and –

07:04:36.080 The logic, it seems a little faulty here.

07:04:38.360 I don't think so.

07:04:39.820 Okay.

07:04:40.260 Let me – I'm going to – I want to try to give an example where I could just turn this on you and essentially call you –

07:04:45.840 You should be grateful, if anything, because I prevented you from getting a terms of service because –

07:04:52.800 Wait.

07:04:53.200 Okay.

07:04:54.160 No, that's different.

07:04:55.080 Wait.

07:04:55.340 Hang on.

07:04:55.960 That's different.

07:04:56.280 Do you think he wanted to get a terms of service, Brian?

07:04:58.420 You could have told me to pull my shirt.

07:04:59.180 I also have a jacket.

07:05:00.280 Do you think he wanted to get a terms of service, Brian?

07:05:01.800 She can do a bow with a jacket on.

07:05:03.420 Hang on, though.

07:05:03.820 Yeah.

07:05:04.060 Go ahead.

07:05:04.300 If you don't think he wanted to get a terms of service strike, then why would he ask her to bow to see down her shirt?

07:05:10.000 Well, I mean, you potentially could – I mean, I don't know if you're going to see nipple.

07:05:15.580 I'm sure if you show nipple, you're more likely to get a T.O.

07:05:17.360 So he just wanted to see her cleavage real bad?

07:05:19.860 Like, really?

07:05:21.640 Okay.

07:05:22.100 That's like –

07:05:22.620 I already said I'm an ass guy.

07:05:23.860 Like, I don't – I'm not really, like, that interested in –

07:05:26.920 Okay, well, all I know is me as a woman, if, you know, I was going to potentially do something that could be exposing myself in front of the whole internet, I would want other women to be like, hey, you know, we can totally see down your shirt.

07:05:41.620 Yeah, but that's not what you said.

07:05:43.560 You said they want to see down your shirt.

07:05:47.140 Because that's what it appeared to be like.

07:05:50.220 It appeared to be that –

07:05:51.460 What evidence do you have for that?

07:05:53.940 It appeared to be that way.

07:05:55.680 Okay, well, I'm just telling you.

07:05:56.860 Was I gawking at her?

07:05:57.260 And look, you have the opportunity to be like, you know, that's totally not what we're intending, and I can go, okay.

07:06:03.200 You know, but I think that –

07:06:04.040 That's what I'm doing right now.

07:06:05.780 You know what?

07:06:06.340 Here's the thing.

07:06:06.800 When I initially said it, if you guys have been like, oh, wow, okay, you know what?

07:06:10.620 Hold your shirt if you're going to bow or whatever, then I would have been like –

07:06:13.900 Didn't I say she could go put something else on?

07:06:15.700 I probably would have been like, okay, you know what?

07:06:17.500 I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions there.

07:06:19.100 No, but you pushed back and said, no, no, no, don't do it, don't do it.

07:06:21.640 Brian, being surprised by such a ridiculous allegation.

07:06:23.880 That's what you kind of pushed back on her, like, no, no, no, don't do it.

07:06:26.260 Yeah, because you could totally see down her shirt.

07:06:28.640 Well, then that doesn't prove your point, because you would have just said, hey, when you bow, do this.

07:06:34.320 Cover yourself.

07:06:35.660 Okay.

07:06:35.880 But you immediately implied there was, like, malicious intent, and –

07:06:41.640 And like I said, that's how I perceived it.

07:06:43.760 Damn, bro, this is how dudes get falsely accused.

07:06:46.000 It seems jokey.

07:06:47.160 This is how dudes get falsely accused.

07:06:48.100 No, it's not.

07:06:48.920 It seemed like –

07:06:49.520 That's literally what you're doing, though.

07:06:50.700 The joke was that she presented herself as the most feminist here, so to get her to bow, they're going to say patriarchy wins.

07:06:56.960 That was the joke.

07:06:57.780 The joke wasn't, ha-ha, we're going to see her tits.

07:07:00.600 Okay.

07:07:01.200 Just a meme.

07:07:01.800 All right.

07:07:05.640 Well, here's the thing, what I will say.

07:07:07.820 If you guys really and truly didn't intend for her to be –

07:07:12.140 Who's you guys?

07:07:12.240 I didn't fucking ask anybody to bow anyway.

07:07:14.020 Brian, if you really didn't intend for her to be, like, exposing herself like that to the millions of followers you have, then I apologize for jumping to conclusions and assuming that.

07:07:23.920 Maybe I did.

07:07:24.140 Maybe I was like, yeah, go ahead and bow.

07:07:25.620 And you know what?

07:07:26.360 I'm going to double down.

07:07:27.620 You should still go fucking bow.

07:07:29.720 Still.

07:07:30.260 Right this second, you should bow, and you're still a fucking feminist, and you're dumb, and you made an accusation that has no merit whatsoever.

07:07:38.080 I'm not a feminist.

07:07:38.820 Try to meme to this guy.

07:07:39.640 No, I'm not trying to meme to.

07:07:41.340 I'm not trying to meme to.

07:07:41.820 He wanted to see down the shirt of this poor 19-year-old girl that has no proof at all for your alligate.

07:07:48.500 He just made it for no reason at all.

07:07:51.000 Pretty awful, if you ask me.

07:07:52.640 Pretty shitty female behavior, honestly.

07:07:54.780 Did you hear what I just said?

07:07:55.760 I did.

07:07:56.260 I said, if he, in fact, didn't intend, then I apologize.

07:07:59.760 Okay, well, then I apologize to you, Brian, if you really didn't intend to do that.

07:08:04.620 But it's how I perceived it, and that's why I said what I said.

07:08:07.960 That's a feminist perception.

07:08:09.360 It's not a feminist perception.

07:08:10.140 It is.

07:08:10.860 No, because the way the conversation led up to it.

07:08:14.100 It's the male gaze.

07:08:14.940 And the joking and the laughing, and it kind of seemed like you guys were getting kind of giddy.

07:08:19.040 I thought, okay, well, it kind of seems like we're about to see a show of her breasts, you know, on the big screen.

07:08:27.300 Can we move on or something?

07:08:28.640 No.

07:08:28.740 I feel really uncomfortable with this conversation.

07:08:31.420 Can we ask the person in question?

07:08:33.140 Renee, did you feel like that was my intention, asking for the bow?

07:08:37.660 Uh, no, but I am glad I didn't actually, like, fully.

07:08:43.300 I would have just rathered maybe if someone was like, hold your shirt up, girl.

07:08:47.500 Right.

07:08:47.900 Yeah.

07:08:48.720 I mean, this is within the context of my conversation with you, because you actually specifically wanted to talk about your experience with the bow.

07:08:56.860 So it was like, it wasn't just, like, non sequitur, let me ask Renee over here for a bow.

07:09:01.980 It was within the context of our conversation.

07:09:04.280 Oh, my God, this is such a meta conversation.

07:09:05.800 Uh, it was within that context.

07:09:08.580 So, okay.

07:09:11.560 Did I just get, that was a me too for sure, bro.

07:09:13.720 That was a fucking me too.

07:09:14.000 Totally.

07:09:14.880 That was a me too.

07:09:15.480 That was a me too.

07:09:16.220 Okay.

07:09:17.340 Uh, all right.

07:09:18.480 Well, um.

07:09:19.700 You sick son of a bitch.

07:09:22.040 Yeah.

07:09:23.160 Yeah.

07:09:23.580 Okay.

07:09:24.080 Well, good talk, I guess.

07:09:26.760 All right.

07:09:26.980 Let's get some, uh, let me read some of the chats.

07:09:29.300 We have Nickelodeon.

07:09:30.320 She focused on the, at the camera part of the bow request.

07:09:34.120 Brian was respectfully telling her she didn't have to bow to him.

07:09:37.580 So do it towards the camera.

07:09:38.920 Apparently that makes you a predator, Brian.

07:09:41.580 Yeah.

07:09:41.820 I, you know, um, I'm, yeah, it is what it is.

07:09:45.700 Thank you, Nickelodeon.

07:09:46.600 And I, I don't recall the exact verbatim of what was said, what wasn't said.

07:09:51.520 So, yeah.

07:09:52.420 Um, uh, evil world body cams.

07:09:55.740 This feminist is an idiot.

07:09:56.900 They just can't see past the male boogeyman.

07:09:59.540 Yeah.

07:09:59.980 Pretty much, uh, anything men do is always going to be viewed within like this sort of

07:10:04.340 lens of, uh, I guess, uh, men it's always viewed in this, like, um, men tend to be pathologized

07:10:14.360 always.

07:10:15.380 So, uh, I'm saying that there are thousands of people watching.

07:10:18.320 So that wasn't his intent.

07:10:19.620 He worked too hard to lose channel to see some nip.

07:10:23.660 Yeah, bro.

07:10:24.520 I, we, we've had, we had a nip slip once or twice on the show.

07:10:27.540 We are very avoidant of that sort of thing.

07:10:31.040 Um, yeah.

07:10:33.640 Okay.

07:10:34.520 Thank you.

07:10:35.260 Evil world body cams.

07:10:37.040 Appreciate it, man.

07:10:38.100 Uh, let me finish, try to get through my notes here, bringing it back to faith.

07:10:43.400 Faith, you said, if you can be quick, tell us the antichrist story really quick.

07:10:47.660 Oh my gosh.

07:10:48.000 Yeah.

07:10:48.200 Okay.

07:10:48.860 So yeah.

07:10:50.060 Yeah.

07:10:50.320 Right.

07:10:51.120 Is there a red heifer involved?

07:10:52.960 Huh?

07:10:53.480 Nothing.

07:10:54.100 I'm sorry.

07:10:55.500 Um, okay.

07:10:57.120 So back when I was just starting to kind of get into Christianity and whatnot, I wasn't

07:11:02.760 totally convinced yet, but I was moving closer and closer, starting to do some research

07:11:06.580 on the Bible and everything.

07:11:08.200 And, um, I was seeing this, this guy sort of, it was my first and only ever sort of like

07:11:14.940 friends with benefits sort of thing.

07:11:17.880 I very much regret it.

07:11:19.740 Um, and, uh, and, and one night, did he go to 15 minute parties with you too?

07:11:24.800 No, no, no, no.

07:11:26.660 Um, uh, one night I, I had gotten a call from someone who was like a, a sort of spiritual

07:11:34.760 religious mentor and he was actually the pastor that married my husband and I in the end.

07:11:39.600 But, um, I remember earlier that day he had called and was like, Hey, just by the way,

07:11:44.280 I kind of got, uh, I was a deep in prayer this morning and just stay away from, from men

07:11:49.660 right now.

07:11:50.440 Like there's, I just, I was like, Oh yeah, whatever.

07:11:53.940 Fine.

07:11:54.700 You know?

07:11:55.040 And then later on then that day, this guy, the, the antichrist came over and, um, I was

07:12:02.360 kind of talking to him about how I was feeling really guilty about what we were doing.

07:12:05.700 I was like, I don't, I don't feel like this is, this is spiritually right.

07:12:08.760 I don't feel like this is right for me anymore.

07:12:10.220 I just don't feel like I'm this type of girl.

07:12:12.960 I just, it's not.

07:12:14.720 And, um, and he was like, well, why do you think that?

07:12:16.940 And I'm like, Oh, well, because I, I, I'm really starting to fall in love with Christianity

07:12:20.940 and I'm falling in love with God again and everything.

07:12:22.820 And his demeanor totally switched.

07:12:25.040 And he just like totally different person.

07:12:28.520 I'm like getting chills right now, like totally different person.

07:12:31.560 And he was like, well, I hate God.

07:12:33.860 And I was like, what do you mean?

07:12:36.580 He's like, well, I'm atheist.

07:12:37.880 And I was like, Oh, okay.

07:12:39.380 And he's like, yeah, no, I, I hate the Bible.

07:12:41.720 And I was like, well, don't you go to a Catholic college?

07:12:43.680 And he's like, yeah, I do.

07:12:46.200 But that doesn't, that doesn't mean anything.

07:12:47.880 And he's like, I'm the, and then he, all of a sudden he starts to say, um, and it was

07:12:52.300 stupid of me to think that, but you know, it was late at night.

07:12:54.440 I was tired, whatever.

07:12:56.180 Um, and then all of a sudden he's like, yeah, and I'm, I'm the antichrist actually.

07:13:01.340 And I can't wait to burn in hell.

07:13:03.180 I can't wait to die and burn in hell.

07:13:04.900 Um, and just, right, right.

07:13:08.600 And he started to go on and on about this.

07:13:10.960 And I just totally like freaked out.

07:13:14.260 He went, he went to take a shower.

07:13:16.060 I called the, my.

07:13:17.560 Are you saying you slept with the antichrist?

07:13:20.300 Oh my God.

07:13:21.380 It, it freaks, it freaks me out, but I did like a lot of deep prayer afterward and everything.

07:13:26.500 And, um, I, I, I think he's just, just very antichristian and everything.

07:13:32.360 And so I called my, my mentor and I was like, oh my God, you, you were right.

07:13:35.840 I, what do I do?

07:13:36.980 What do I do?

07:13:37.360 And he was like, just pray about it.

07:13:38.380 I'll pray about it.

07:13:39.180 You know, we'll figure this out.

07:13:40.280 And the next morning, and I kind of slept with one eye open that night because it was like

07:13:44.060 three in the morning.

07:13:44.780 I didn't, I didn't want to do anything because I've never heard some guys say crazy stuff like

07:13:48.920 that.

07:13:49.840 Um, and the next morning I like woke up with, um, I don't know if I can say this, but

07:13:56.320 um, like things bruise, like bruises and whatnot, like all over my body, like really, really

07:14:00.320 dark bruises.

07:14:00.940 And I don't know how they got there and I never saw him again, thankfully.

07:14:04.780 But that was my final thing of like, okay, God, this was my sign.

07:14:08.600 I guess.

07:14:09.140 Confused on the bruises thing.

07:14:10.580 How'd the bruises come about?

07:14:11.840 I literally don't, I don't know.

07:14:13.220 I don't know how they got there.

07:14:14.480 I, the next morning I took a shower.

07:14:16.180 Were you maybe just tossing and turning?

07:14:18.380 Maybe, but I, I've never had that, that hap, that ever happened before.

07:14:23.120 Um, but yeah.

07:14:24.140 And, and maybe it doesn't have any, and maybe it doesn't have anything to do with it at

07:14:27.240 all.

07:14:27.480 I just thought it was very, very, very peculiar and strange.

07:14:30.500 And the next, and I, and I saw it the next morning when I was taking a shower cause I

07:14:33.180 literally couldn't stand the stench.

07:14:34.360 I actually came down to Santa Barbara for like three days after the fact, cause I didn't

07:14:38.020 want to be in my house, anything, or my apartment.

07:14:41.140 I didn't want to be in my apartment, anything.

07:14:42.800 I was just so freaked out about it.

07:14:44.480 Um, but I'm, I'm thankful that the experience happened because it was a huge learning experience and

07:14:48.820 it was, it was enough to scare me into celibacy until I met my husband months, months later.

07:14:54.320 Wait, you, did you hook up with the guy?

07:14:56.280 Did you hook up with him?

07:14:57.580 Uh, yes, yes.

07:14:58.920 It was, it was consistent.

07:14:59.920 We knew each other for months beforehand and talked for a little while and yeah.

07:15:03.300 Wait, so you were having sex with this guy?

07:15:05.320 The Antichrist.

07:15:05.920 The Antichrist.

07:15:06.660 Yes, but I didn't know, but it was the very last time that I saw him after, after consistent.

07:15:11.500 And, and my husband knows this story.

07:15:13.220 I've, I've talked with him to make sure he's comfortable with me talking about this, but

07:15:16.960 yeah.

07:15:17.980 Um, yeah.

07:15:18.860 So, I mean, if, if anyone is, who's watching, you know, is, is curious, like sometimes like

07:15:25.520 this stuff is legit.

07:15:26.580 Like this was a very real experience and it is crazy.

07:15:30.480 So, but yeah.

07:15:32.960 But you said this, you said this man was essentially just an atheist college man who I met when I

07:15:37.520 was debating celibacy was first starting out to know God.

07:15:41.000 Um, so you, you met him, you were interested in pursuing, uh, Christ.

07:15:46.680 You were interested in, uh, you were trying to be celibate, but he veered you off the path

07:15:52.000 a bit on this.

07:15:52.940 Yeah.

07:15:53.300 On your celibacy.

07:15:54.200 I wasn't that I was even, because I wasn't fully committed to Christ yet.

07:15:56.860 So I wasn't intentionally trying to be celibate.

07:15:58.880 I just was because I just, I, at the time I was, I was self-isolating.

07:16:02.720 It was my post-party phase.

07:16:03.800 I was self-isolating.

07:16:04.700 I didn't want to have anything to do with anyone.

07:16:06.640 And so I, I just happened to meet this guy through, through.

07:16:09.080 Wait, it's just a couple of questions.

07:16:10.620 And so, uh, you met him.

07:16:12.900 How did you meet him?

07:16:14.080 Um, I met him through work.

07:16:15.620 Through work.

07:16:16.100 Yeah.

07:16:16.460 And you said you did have sex with him.

07:16:18.380 How quickly after meeting him did you have sex with him?

07:16:20.560 Um, I think like four months, four months.

07:16:24.600 Four months?

07:16:25.220 Mm-hmm.

07:16:25.480 Cause we would just see each other at work and he would take, he would walk me home after

07:16:28.360 work.

07:16:29.040 Atheist.

07:16:29.820 Yeah.

07:16:30.300 Yeah.

07:16:30.500 But we, we'd never really talked, we never really got to that point because at the time

07:16:34.600 I wasn't like really.

07:16:35.700 Oh, were you guys like not dating for the, that period of time?

07:16:39.080 No.

07:16:39.400 And, and I fully regret it and I fully advise against it.

07:16:42.540 So yeah.

07:16:43.380 But.

07:16:44.140 But so four months and then you guys were hooking up for how long?

07:16:47.460 Um, just, it was only like three, like three times.

07:16:51.500 That was the third time.

07:16:52.100 Only three times.

07:16:52.660 Mm-hmm.

07:16:52.760 That was the third time that that happened.

07:16:54.100 You waited four months and.

07:16:55.900 Okay.

07:16:56.040 Well, it was cause he would, he would only be at work occasionally.

07:16:59.600 He kind of was like the, it was like the, I was a, I was a server at the, at a restaurant.

07:17:04.680 And so sometimes when it would get really, really packed, he would kind of, he would

07:17:07.440 host and everything.

07:17:08.880 So, um, yeah.

07:17:10.380 Um, good times.

07:17:12.600 But then when just, I forgot if you already answered this, you're married.

07:17:17.340 Uh, did you wait until marriage to, for carnal knowledge with your husband?

07:17:21.840 No.

07:17:22.380 And I, yeah.

07:17:23.400 And I think you answered that.

07:17:24.300 Yeah, I, I, and again, I, I advise against it, but there was a, there was a point, it

07:17:29.240 was when we first, it was when we first started dating and, um, I'm much, I'm, you know, we're

07:17:33.460 both much stronger, um, in our faith now, but, um, when we first started dating, you know,

07:17:37.840 we weren't, um, uh, we, yeah.

07:17:41.300 And it got to a point where I was getting a lot of like conviction and everything.

07:17:44.840 And I would, I would pray about it and I'd open up my Bible and all of a sudden, like,

07:17:47.880 all I could see was like, you know, celibacy, celibacy, like everywhere.

07:17:50.620 And I was like, okay, this is definitely like, yeah.

07:17:53.660 And so, and, and we had to talk about it and I was like, yeah, I'm just, I'm just not

07:17:56.900 comfortable with this.

07:17:57.680 And, and it's been really good and it, or, and it was really good because we were able

07:18:01.000 to, whenever we had disagreements, we could think about, like, we think of things more

07:18:04.240 logically and everything.

07:18:05.260 And it was, it was just better and all around healthier.

07:18:07.840 And I, and I definitely think that's why, yeah.

07:18:09.800 Final notes here from Eden.

07:18:11.500 Eden, you said that you're in a committed age gap relationship with your boyfriend who's

07:18:15.760 32.

07:18:16.500 You are 21, correct?

07:18:18.800 Correct.

07:18:19.080 Okay.

07:18:20.400 Um, you, tell us your craziest dating story.

07:18:24.300 Um, so this happened when I was 19.

07:18:27.120 I was, um, dating this doctor in San Francisco and he was 40 years old.

07:18:34.440 Yeah.

07:18:35.120 Pretty crazy.

07:18:36.500 Um, what kind of doctor?

07:18:39.080 He was a podiatrist.

07:18:41.040 I don't know.

07:18:41.240 Foot doctor.

07:18:42.640 They can get it.

07:18:43.840 He didn't have a foot fetish though.

07:18:45.040 So I would guess that that would be bad if you were a foot doctor, but, um, yeah, it

07:18:52.600 was, it was really crazy looking back on it.

07:18:56.000 Um, it was something I got super invested in at the time just because I was so young

07:19:01.100 and naive and he kind of like, I mean, we, it was super intense.

07:19:06.340 We went on like trips to Napa.

07:19:08.780 I mean, he bought me designer gifts and we were going to concerts and stuff like

07:19:12.480 that.

07:19:13.880 And, um, I don't know.

07:19:15.860 He was just like promising me the world and stuff.

07:19:17.980 And so I, um, you know, me being 19 and stupid, I was just like, okay, this man loves

07:19:24.040 me because he's saying he does.

07:19:25.780 But, um, yeah, after, after we had sex though, I got home and I was blocked, but looking back

07:19:33.180 on it, there were a lot.

07:19:34.320 What?

07:19:35.620 Wait, hold on.

07:19:36.860 And I have some pre-show notes here.

07:19:38.260 So perhaps I can prompt it.

07:19:39.280 So he, you're 40 or excuse me, he was 40, he was 40.

07:19:43.360 He's a doctor.

07:19:44.040 You were 19.

07:19:44.980 He was taking you on expensive dates, bought you luxury gifts.

07:19:48.400 Uh, he was fun, intellectual conversations, Christian, good morals.

07:19:53.220 Although that seems dubious overall, the perfect package, right?

07:19:57.340 Um, how long were you, uh, you said you guys had sex once and then ghosted like he into

07:20:04.200 the mic, yeah, so I obviously didn't have sex with him initially.

07:20:09.500 And so this happened over like a span of three months.

07:20:12.600 Okay.

07:20:13.160 And so I had sex with him like at the end of three months, three months, three months.

07:20:18.480 Yeah.

07:20:18.880 This guy waited three months to have sex one time.

07:20:22.740 Are you sure he wasn't like married or anything like that?

07:20:25.280 I mean, he lived alone, but I mean, he could have been closer to the mic.

07:20:30.020 Wait.

07:20:30.220 So, okay.

07:20:30.540 A couple of questions here.

07:20:31.660 Um, how did you meet him?

07:20:33.360 Um, it was on Tinder.

07:20:34.960 You met him on Tinder.

07:20:35.840 Yeah.

07:20:36.080 He just like randomly asked me if I wanted to go to a concert.

07:20:39.560 Okay.

07:20:40.000 And how many, um, so you, it was three month period of time, but like how frequently would

07:20:44.640 you see him once a week, twice a week?

07:20:46.440 Um, I would say like every, every couple of weeks, maybe three weeks.

07:20:51.720 Oh, so you only maybe went on, how many times did you see him before you guys?

07:20:56.640 I would say we saw each other like five times.

07:20:59.240 Five times.

07:20:59.940 Okay.

07:21:00.140 So three months, but only hung out five times.

07:21:02.580 We would talk every day and I mean, he would just like.

07:21:03.560 Every day, really?

07:21:04.460 Constantly.

07:21:04.740 Like phone calls?

07:21:05.780 He lived in your city?

07:21:07.100 No, he lived in San Francisco.

07:21:08.480 And where did you live?

07:21:09.300 Fresno.

07:21:10.220 How far?

07:21:10.820 Is that like an hour away or?

07:21:12.240 A couple hours.

07:21:13.020 Yeah.

07:21:13.500 Would you drive to see him?

07:21:14.660 I would, but he would.

07:21:16.160 He'd pay for your gas and stuff.

07:21:17.740 Okay.

07:21:18.960 Can she just put the mic in her lap?

07:21:20.400 Oh yeah, that might be better.

07:21:22.680 Um, so you would talk every day for like how long an hour or something?

07:21:27.620 I mean, just like throughout the whole day, phone calls.

07:21:30.860 Really?

07:21:31.440 Yeah.

07:21:31.660 And I mean, it was like.

07:21:33.320 Damn, this guy's.

07:21:34.940 Cause he would like talk about.

07:21:36.520 Okay.

07:21:36.540 So, sorry, go ahead.

07:21:38.240 He would talk about how, you know, he loved me and like wanted to make plans for the future.

07:21:42.080 And obviously he was just filling my head with whatever I wanted to hear so that I would.

07:21:47.380 Damn, bro.

07:21:48.020 This guy.

07:21:48.580 Okay.

07:21:49.040 I got some, I got some thoughts on this dude, but, um, so he was doing all these nice things.

07:21:56.040 Um, you had sex and then he did a complete 360.

07:22:01.760 You got home and you were, you were blocked.

07:22:04.340 Right.

07:22:04.620 Um, did he communicate with you at all?

07:22:08.940 Like, did he say why?

07:22:10.920 Do you have any suspicions as to why he did this or?

07:22:14.720 I mean.

07:22:15.760 Into the mic?

07:22:16.480 No, he didn't say anything.

07:22:18.300 I hadn't spoke to him.

07:22:19.500 Wait, so, okay, you guys.

07:22:20.740 So let's, let's break this down.

07:22:22.420 You're on your fifth date or whatever.

07:22:24.320 You guys had a great whatever date.

07:22:26.440 Uh, one thing leads to another.

07:22:28.580 You have, you have sex.

07:22:30.820 Um, I mean, I drove back.

07:22:33.940 He kisses you goodbye.

07:22:35.020 Everything's all hunky dory.

07:22:36.080 Yeah, he was like, I'll see you next time.

07:22:37.220 And then as soon as I got home.

07:22:38.400 Nothing, like after having sex, nothing's strange or anything.

07:22:41.920 No, it seemed completely fine.

07:22:43.160 Everything was good.

07:22:44.120 You go back home, you send him a text and it's like green or some shit.

07:22:47.680 Yeah, yeah.

07:22:48.520 And you've not heard anything from this guy.

07:22:51.140 No, no.

07:22:51.720 Did you try to call him?

07:22:53.000 I did, yeah.

07:22:53.600 Obviously it didn't go through.

07:22:54.280 And you never got through?

07:22:55.580 Right.

07:22:56.440 Damn, bro.

07:22:59.220 Holy shit.

07:22:59.720 I was pretty heartbroken.

07:23:00.880 God damn.

07:23:01.580 Wait, so okay.

07:23:03.760 I did dodge a bullet though.

07:23:06.560 Looking back on it.

07:23:07.640 Because there were a lot of red flags.

07:23:09.160 I remember one night he, you know, we were drinking.

07:23:13.520 And he showed me this book that he had actually, like on an iPad that he had made.

07:23:18.420 And it was like a collection of all of the women that he's ever been with.

07:23:23.500 Wait, a book?

07:23:24.700 Yeah, like, do you think you're in it now?

07:23:33.700 Oh, she's, oh yeah, for sure.

07:23:35.860 Wait, hold on.

07:23:36.980 When you say page, like 330.

07:23:40.460 He's a cereal cake finger dipper.

07:23:42.700 When he showed you the book, is it just, was it names?

07:23:48.820 Was it photos?

07:23:49.940 It was names, like messages between them.

07:23:52.960 What the fuck?

07:23:53.860 What a weirdo.

07:23:54.080 Dating profile pictures, yeah.

07:23:56.840 Narcissist, sociopath.

07:23:57.760 It was like insane.

07:23:58.760 Wait, what are those books called where it's like a, there's a name?

07:24:02.880 Scrapbook.

07:24:03.520 Scrapbook.

07:24:03.860 Yeah.

07:24:04.080 This guy's fucking scrapbooking, holy shit.

07:24:07.100 Right.

07:24:07.440 Wait, so, how many girls were in this shit?

07:24:13.340 I mean, I saw at least like 10, but I mean, after he kept showing me, I was like, I don't

07:24:20.400 want to see this anymore.

07:24:21.760 Like, how thick was the book?

07:24:23.060 Hold on.

07:24:23.680 Well, no, it was like.

07:24:24.260 Can you get one of the George RR Martin fucking.

07:24:26.240 No, it was on an iPad, so it was like.

07:24:27.680 A song of, oh, it was, oh, okay, never mind, never mind.

07:24:29.800 I mean, there were chapters, so.

07:24:31.740 It was a Kindle?

07:24:32.780 There was chapters?

07:24:33.920 God damn, what the fuck?

07:24:34.920 Yeah, he would give feedback on it.

07:24:36.940 Like, he would like write.

07:24:37.520 How many chapters?

07:24:38.400 Like a Yelp review?

07:24:41.000 Honestly, yeah.

07:24:41.900 Oh my God.

07:24:42.740 Wait, so this guy was telling you he wanted a future, he wanted kids even?

07:24:46.760 Oh yeah, definitely.

07:24:48.140 And.

07:24:48.480 And you had sex once?

07:24:50.380 Yeah, and one of the weirdest things, like, looking back on it, he was like, you would

07:24:54.140 look so sexy pregnant, and I'm like, that is just such a weird thing to say.

07:25:01.620 I don't even, I'm, wow, that's crazy.

07:25:04.920 Could the sex have been, was the sex bad?

07:25:07.980 Um.

07:25:09.680 No comment.

07:25:10.160 Could there be chapters of bad, like, just bad people?

07:25:13.720 Nah, that's, that seems weird.

07:25:15.600 Yeah, it was like out of a movie, honestly.

07:25:17.440 It's weird.

07:25:17.660 Chapters of people, like, with just reviews, like, Yelp reviews, like you said.

07:25:21.080 Mind you, like, in high school, I never dated or did anything like that.

07:25:23.860 So I was very, like, naive, and this was kind of, like, the first experience I had had

07:25:28.760 with a man.

07:25:29.780 Wait, were you a virgin?

07:25:31.520 Um, at the time, yeah.

07:25:33.880 Wait, so he, that was your first time?

07:25:36.400 Oh my God.

07:25:36.840 Yeah, that's rough.

07:25:37.660 So he had the big book of virgins?

07:25:39.980 Holy fuck.

07:25:40.500 Maybe, I don't know.

07:25:42.060 I mean, there was some older women there, too.

07:25:44.100 Was his, was his name Tristan Tate?

07:25:45.960 Oh my God, yeah.

07:25:47.100 Was his name Tristan Tate?

07:25:48.080 That's actually crazy.

07:25:48.680 Holy fuck.

07:25:49.180 Wait, I'm gonna send the asteroid on this one.

07:25:50.960 Holy fuck, bro.

07:25:51.960 No, this is, wait, actually, you know what?

07:25:54.200 I'm gonna send the asteroid, but then I'm gonna send the fucking nuke, hold on.

07:25:57.820 Oh my God.

07:25:58.900 But yeah, there were, like, older women there, too.

07:26:00.080 By the way, has anybody been watching Fallout on Amazon?

07:26:02.760 It's just, like, a virgin thing.

07:26:03.200 What is that?

07:26:03.360 It's kind of, it's okay.

07:26:05.020 Do you think, like, afterwards, he would just get, like, after sex with all these women,

07:26:08.800 he'd be like, tear diary today, like, da-da-da-da-da, you know?

07:26:11.900 Today, I took this girl's virginity, and they just blocked her on everything, and never

07:26:15.800 talked to her again.

07:26:16.580 Like, pictures, and, like, a whole layout of what happened, like, that's just so, that's

07:26:22.140 so creepy.

07:26:23.200 That's so sick.

07:26:25.200 Wait, wait.

07:26:26.880 Sounds like a lot of work.

07:26:28.820 That sounds like a lot of work to, like, fuck once.

07:26:33.300 Yeah, and throw it away.

07:26:34.300 Like, that's very meticulous.

07:26:35.020 Wait, did he use a condom?

07:26:36.220 That's very weird.

07:26:37.220 Yeah.

07:26:37.800 Bro, imagine doing all this shit to fuck a girl once with a condom.

07:26:42.580 Bro, what?

07:26:46.140 Yo.

07:26:47.200 Something that Brian just wanted to watch the world burn.

07:26:50.640 I mean, it was probably he just wanted to, like, know that he could attain her.

07:26:54.360 Just take the V and leave.

07:26:55.580 Yeah, maybe it was more about, like, attainability, I would say.

07:26:59.620 Holy shit.

07:27:00.940 Maybe he's, like, his fetishes take the girl's virginities, and he just moves on to that.

07:27:05.860 And he has a fucking book about it.

07:27:07.880 Could have been, but.

07:27:08.180 That's disgusting.

07:27:09.120 That's kind of.

07:27:10.060 And so he's 40?

07:27:11.100 A diatribe?

07:27:11.700 He was 40.

07:27:12.300 Yeah, that's demonic.

07:27:13.300 Dude, I feel like this is enough info for.

07:27:16.560 Hold on, never mind.

07:27:17.880 Never mind.

07:27:19.400 This is kind of making my point, though, about the bakery.

07:27:22.360 I'm just saying.

07:27:23.100 Right.

07:27:23.460 And so I wanted to.

07:27:24.660 Yeah, dude, that's.

07:27:25.600 That's.

07:27:26.200 She's.

07:27:28.540 I'm kidding.

07:27:29.360 I'm sorry.

07:27:30.140 No, but like.

07:27:31.800 But like, bro, that's some baggage.

07:27:34.120 Yeah.

07:27:34.700 Is that some baggage or are you chill about it?

07:27:36.480 I mean, well, I wanted to bring up the point about, like, age gap relationships, because

07:27:40.380 obviously that was a situation where I was taken advantage of.

07:27:43.940 But, you know, since meeting my boyfriend now, I've completely, like, changed my morals.

07:27:50.640 And I.

07:27:51.160 He, like.

07:27:53.220 Wait, wait.

07:27:54.300 Can you let her finish?

07:27:55.380 She has talked like two times the whole time.

07:27:57.820 Can she just finish?

07:27:59.060 She was like half his age.

07:28:00.500 Yeah.

07:28:00.720 I'm just, I'm asking a question.

07:28:03.120 That's all.

07:28:03.860 Is that okay, your majesty?

07:28:05.160 Well, I'm just.

07:28:05.540 Is it okay for me to get some clarification?

07:28:07.740 I'm just saying.

07:28:08.220 Is there anything else we can do for you?

07:28:09.900 So anyway.

07:28:10.480 So back to this.

07:28:11.320 I was just.

07:28:11.700 I was just wondering.

07:28:13.320 For the purposes of clarification, what do you mean taking advantage of?

07:28:17.440 Well, like, I went into it thinking that, you know, we were going to be together

07:28:21.960 forever, obviously.

07:28:24.260 So.

07:28:24.800 Isn't that kind of fraudulent?

07:28:26.220 Like, to be.

07:28:27.080 Like, basically, he put on to you that.

07:28:29.220 No, he totally, like, promised me, like, a future.

07:28:31.160 And the whole thing was just a big kind of.

07:28:33.300 Farce, yeah.

07:28:34.000 Yeah, that is being taken advantage of.

07:28:36.520 It would have been harder to do to a 40-year-old woman.

07:28:39.500 Yeah, but that's a good argument against voting rights, isn't it?

07:28:43.000 So anyway.

07:28:43.840 Oh, my God.

07:28:44.640 That sounds good.

07:28:45.420 The question.

07:28:46.620 I have a question.

07:28:47.460 Well, if you did it in business, it's a fraud.

07:28:48.460 If an 18-year-old is too dumb to make relationship standards, why should she cancel out the 40-year-old

07:28:53.600 vote?

07:28:53.860 It makes no sense.

07:28:54.600 Well, I have enough experience in relationships.

07:28:56.800 But that's the argument.

07:28:57.840 You don't have experience to vote.

07:28:58.140 That's the argument back.

07:28:59.060 I'm not saying she's dumb.

07:29:00.200 But what I am saying is, is that, no, he did come to her, let's not forget this part

07:29:04.720 of the story, with a big book of, I fucked her.

07:29:07.900 And she was like, well.

07:29:09.060 You did say there were red flags.

07:29:10.640 You did say there were red flags.

07:29:13.340 Because you said he.

07:29:14.540 When you're 19, you don't know what red flags and green flags are.

07:29:15.780 I was like, oh, my God.

07:29:16.420 That's so crazy.

07:29:17.600 Bro, that's a.

07:29:18.940 You got girlfriends, right?

07:29:19.960 Like, that's kind of a red flag.

07:29:20.840 Well, if 40-something years old, you could outsmart a 19-year-old any day.

07:29:25.460 Yeah.

07:29:26.140 Well.

07:29:26.640 Sure.

07:29:27.620 Then why should they cancel out their votes?

07:29:31.100 I don't even think this is an age thing.

07:29:32.700 I have a question.

07:29:33.300 I don't even think it's an age thing.

07:29:34.680 I think he's just a creep.

07:29:35.620 I think a guy her age would be just as capable of finessing her virginity.

07:29:40.800 Like, guys her age do this shit all the time, too.

07:29:44.740 But do they have, like, the financial means and all that?

07:29:47.140 They don't need them, then.

07:29:48.180 It would have been harder for them to do it.

07:29:49.280 Yeah, but you could argue.

07:29:50.040 They just go at it a different way.

07:29:51.860 Men can be more skilled as they get older.

07:29:53.980 If that's what they want to do.

07:29:55.760 They've picked up a lot of tricks along the way, you know?

07:29:58.260 But there's plenty of 19, 20, 21-year-old fuckboys who are, like, hyper-attractive.

07:30:03.000 If I'm assuming this 40-year-old guy, despite his status and finances,

07:30:07.180 I mean, probably guys your age are more physically attractive.

07:30:09.720 Would you agree?

07:30:10.320 He was very attractive.

07:30:11.140 Okay, all right.

07:30:11.800 Well, I'm debunked.

07:30:15.760 So he's a hot podiatrist with a big books of eye humter.

07:30:18.660 Huge P.

07:30:19.060 And you're just like, okay, we're doing this.

07:30:21.020 So this was kind of like your first encounter with a man.

07:30:26.000 And he happened to be 40.

07:30:28.080 And he was 40 years old and the age gap between that.

07:30:30.520 So do you think that that made you put up a wall for your next relationship?

07:30:36.500 I know that you're in an age gap relationship now.

07:30:38.520 But did you, you know, kind of step back and think to yourself, like, oh, you know, a 40-year-old.

07:30:45.060 My last relationship, he was 40 and it was age gap.

07:30:48.080 And this happened.

07:30:49.160 Like, did you have, like, I don't know, kind of walls up to get into a new age gap relationship?

07:30:54.700 A hundred percent.

07:30:55.320 Yeah, when my boyfriend first, you know, like, when he and I first started dating, he was, like, obviously trying to, or, well, he was telling me that he wanted a relationship with me.

07:31:06.080 And I was, like, very against that.

07:31:08.020 And I really made him, like, prove himself to me.

07:31:12.320 Huh.

07:31:14.120 Interesting.

07:31:15.040 Interesting.

07:31:15.400 But, yeah, I think that some of the positives from, like, an age gap relationship is that they can kind of guide you to making better decisions and, like, life choices.

07:31:27.620 And so I think that I take that with me in this new experience.

07:31:32.020 Really quick, going around the table, your thoughts on age gap relationships for, against, neutral.

07:31:43.000 What's the oldest guy you'd date, I guess?

07:31:44.960 It's going to be the ick.

07:31:46.460 I'm going to say against.

07:31:47.840 You're against?

07:31:48.760 Yeah.

07:31:49.180 Like, you wouldn't date, like, a 39-year-old, like, far-right extremist Christian nationalist?

07:31:55.060 No.

07:31:56.360 Sorry, 40?

07:31:57.220 Is it 40?

07:31:57.700 40.

07:31:58.160 40, my bad.

07:31:59.300 You wouldn't date?

07:31:59.820 Okay, just, sorry, Andrew.

07:32:01.380 In my experience, though, like, with dating, or not dating, but, like, talking to younger guys, it's like they were only after one thing.

07:32:09.640 And so, obviously, he was, too, but, I mean, they never even, like, mentioned, like, wanting a relationship or anything like that.

07:32:17.360 Sure.

07:32:17.560 So I, yeah, didn't know any better.

07:32:21.140 I've never experienced it myself, but I don't think that I'm for it.

07:32:26.900 Sorry.

07:32:27.540 What's the oldest guy you'd date for you two?

07:32:29.980 I don't know if you answered, but.

07:32:31.600 At 19.

07:32:32.780 Into the mic, please, quick.

07:32:36.000 Probably 28.

07:32:37.060 I'd say no more than 10 years.

07:32:38.680 Okay.

07:32:40.540 That's pretty decent.

07:32:42.340 I'm 20, and honestly, I probably wouldn't go older than my brother, and he's 23.

07:32:47.260 So I know that's, like, not a great, my parents are five years apart, and I know a lot of other people, but.

07:32:53.400 I'd probably say, like, maybe, like, 10 or so years, so probably, like, 38 or something.

07:33:00.160 Yeah, I kind of have this theory, and maybe it's just, like, I don't know.

07:33:04.620 But basically, I have this theory that if I'm always, like, younger than the guy I'm with, then I'll always be young and beautiful to him.

07:33:11.860 I'm for it.

07:33:15.140 I would say 10 years, but also, as you get older, then you can do a, have a larger and larger age gap, possibly.

07:33:22.580 Right.

07:33:23.780 I'm for it as long as the man going into it has honorable intentions.

07:33:28.220 Okay.

07:33:28.800 That's fair.

07:33:29.480 I'm not against age gap relationships.

07:33:31.840 Well, you're not against it.

07:33:33.220 Andrew?

07:33:33.820 Or the woman.

07:33:34.380 I mean, we could have a situation where there's a woman with.

07:33:37.460 There's nothing.

07:33:38.160 Yeah, but whoever's the older party.

07:33:39.480 I still have not heard a good argument.

07:33:42.120 Yet, for the age gap relationship being problematic, if you consider women at 18, 19 to be adults,

07:33:50.460 what could your argument possibly be from this adult dating another adult?

07:33:55.000 I would love to know.

07:33:56.480 Other than, it gives me the ick.

07:34:00.080 First of all, I never said that.

07:34:01.260 Don't put words in my mouth.

07:34:01.460 I didn't say you did.

07:34:02.640 I said, other than that, because that's where it's going to go, I promise.

07:34:05.380 That's not what I was going to say.

07:34:06.660 I haven't really said anything in that nature.

07:34:08.400 Because I can take advantage of her.

07:34:10.220 Go ahead.

07:34:11.580 Well, no.

07:34:12.200 I just think you've experienced so much less of life.

07:34:14.960 Like, isn't it pretty obvious that you wouldn't know as many things?

07:34:17.960 You haven't been with as many partners.

07:34:19.680 You've had time to learn.

07:34:21.460 How in the world could you tie that into it being bad?

07:34:25.340 Because you're just not at the same place in life.

07:34:27.720 And as bad, do you mean immoral?

07:34:30.080 No, I wasn't saying it was immoral.

07:34:31.340 So, it's not immoral?

07:34:33.500 I never said it was, but I think it can be.

07:34:36.460 So, it just gives you the ick.

07:34:39.880 No, I was saying you're at different places in your life, so you're going to be fundamentally incompatible.

07:34:45.040 If a person takes advantage of another person, is it immoral?

07:34:49.220 Yes.

07:34:49.780 Okay.

07:34:50.180 So, then if your argument is there's a potential here for a person to take advantage of you, but they may not,

07:34:55.240 and you have no moral argument for it, then what could your objection possibly be other than yuck?

07:35:00.420 I just told you, because you're at different stages of your life, and one person has learned less,

07:35:05.460 they're more likely to be able to take advantage of you.

07:35:07.520 Right.

07:35:07.860 That's what I literally just said you would argue.

07:35:09.960 So, I literally just said the only argument that you could possibly have is that there's a potential.

07:35:14.380 However, there's a potential for somebody your same age to take advantage of you, too.

07:35:18.060 Yeah, that's true.

07:35:18.560 So, what could...

07:35:19.180 I never said I was against age cap relations.

07:35:21.340 I literally said they were chill.

07:35:22.240 You said only 10 years.

07:35:23.240 Why not 12?

07:35:24.040 Why not 13?

07:35:26.400 Um...

07:35:26.960 I think we all said like 10 years.

07:35:28.260 Go on.

07:35:32.200 Just say the ick.

07:35:32.700 Well, didn't you say yourself that it's unattractive for men to be with infertile-looking women?

07:35:37.340 I'm sure that men's seed is getting worse as they're getting older, unfortunately.

07:35:40.200 Wait, Andrew, can I ask you a question?

07:35:41.500 Is it just the ick?

07:35:42.880 No, it's because I have biological receptors in my brain that can sense a man's fertility, and it's going down.

07:35:48.560 Would that still be the ick?

07:35:50.900 So, that would still be the ick, if you're not making a moral argument.

07:35:53.860 It could be the ick is whatever you define it as.

07:35:55.460 This could be the ick, if you want it to be the ick.

07:35:57.900 You see this cup?

07:35:59.700 It could be the ick.

07:36:00.720 It could be the ick, and inside that cup would be your logical arguments.

07:36:05.280 Can you...

07:36:05.580 You want to take a drink?

07:36:06.520 Yeah, there you go.

07:36:07.740 Oh, my God.

07:36:08.660 Now, get up and bow to the camera.

07:36:09.920 Chug, chug, chug, chug.

07:36:12.600 Anyway, what was your question?

07:36:12.980 Andrew was the one with the beer.

07:36:14.700 Oh, my question is, but like, and maybe I'm just misunderstanding a little bit, I don't

07:36:19.020 think you object to her having a preference to date someone younger, right?

07:36:22.320 No.

07:36:22.460 That is just a point of clarification.

07:36:22.880 I just want to know if there's an actual argument that you can come up with which is

07:36:26.380 moral for why you think it's immoral.

07:36:29.180 One person has more life experience.

07:36:31.220 You just said it wasn't immoral five seconds ago.

07:36:33.840 I feel like...

07:36:34.600 Okay.

07:36:35.020 Do you want to reconcile this at some point?

07:36:36.780 I'm saying it's not immoral unless...

07:36:37.620 Take another drink of your logical cup there.

07:36:39.660 Go ahead.

07:36:40.260 Who said it's a cup?

07:36:41.020 It's actually an ick.

07:36:41.840 Well, then take a drink of your ick.

07:36:45.220 What I was saying is that it's immoral if they do it, but you are preventing me from

07:36:50.220 saying that, like, it's immoral altogether because it's only a possibility.

07:36:53.820 It's not guaranteed.

07:36:55.000 So then it's not immoral.

07:36:56.100 It's possibly immoral.

07:36:57.480 There you go.

07:36:57.940 Everything...

07:36:58.260 We just found it out.

07:36:59.140 So everything is possibly immoral from your standard.

07:37:01.240 Yeah, so is premarital sex.

07:37:02.700 Possibly immoral.

07:37:03.440 Possibly immoral.

07:37:03.700 To your standard, it's fully immoral, but it depends on the person.

07:37:04.740 Yeah, I didn't ask you about the possibility of it being immoral.

07:37:07.620 Rather, I asked you if it is immoral.

07:37:11.020 I...

07:37:11.340 For shizzle.

07:37:12.600 Go ahead and just say no.

07:37:13.260 It's not fundamentally immoral to date someone a different age than you.

07:37:17.360 Right.

07:37:17.720 That's my whole point.

07:37:19.580 The only objection you would have to it, then, would be that you have a preference against

07:37:24.220 it.

07:37:24.680 No.

07:37:25.160 I would say that you're at different stages of life development.

07:37:29.440 Your brain is less developed before you're 25, scientifically.

07:37:33.520 First of all, that's not true.

07:37:35.240 But second of all, yes, it's not true.

07:37:37.600 It is true.

07:37:38.180 Your brain fully develops at 25.

07:37:39.060 Nope.

07:37:39.080 You're taking two studies, which are taken out of context, but here's the counter-argument

07:37:42.660 to that as well.

07:37:43.980 Past 25, it begins to degrade.

07:37:46.540 Yeah, that's right.

07:37:47.160 That prefrontal cortex begins to degrade after 25.

07:37:50.180 So if you were 40, wouldn't you have a more degraded prefrontal cortex?

07:37:54.620 And so by this logic, wouldn't a man then at 40 also be right around the same maturity

07:38:00.800 as a 20, 25-year-old girl?

07:38:02.120 Your argument's wrong because we haven't calculated the rate of degradation as compared to the

07:38:05.720 rate before the full development.

07:38:07.180 Actually, we have calculated the rate of degradation.

07:38:07.600 You don't have the stats for me right in front of us.

07:38:10.480 Okay, wait a second.

07:38:11.240 Tell me the number.

07:38:11.740 Tell me the number.

07:38:12.360 Tell me the number.

07:38:12.940 Tell me the number.

07:38:13.420 Tell me the number.

07:38:13.580 Give me a study showing me that it's 25 at all.

07:38:15.900 What's it called?

07:38:16.700 By who?

07:38:17.640 Since you want to be hyper-specific, what is it called?

07:38:19.940 No, but I'm just using the same argument that you used on me over and over again.

07:38:23.640 You're just asking.

07:38:23.840 I don't know shit because I'm 19 and you're like 40.

07:38:26.300 Yes, I do.

07:38:26.840 Oh, I wonder.

07:38:28.120 So it's my fault that you're stupid because you're 19?

07:38:32.300 It's not your fault.

07:38:33.240 No, I know it's not.

07:38:34.420 I'm just 19.

07:38:35.160 Thank you.

07:38:35.600 It's not my fault.

07:38:36.380 Yeah, but theoretically, if there was a 40-year-old out there-

07:38:39.820 I'm only 19.

07:38:40.940 Schrodinger's feminist.

07:38:41.700 I'm a badass in power to movement, but at the same time, at the same time, I'm a victim

07:38:46.520 of the evil patriarchy.

07:38:47.940 Is there any limit, though, to the age gap?

07:38:50.840 Would you say that you're a 60-year-old woman to date a 20-year-old man?

07:38:54.900 I would get pretty grossed out.

07:38:56.380 I wouldn't make it clear, though, that I don't have a preference for older men.

07:38:57.780 We're talking about adult relationships here.

07:39:00.260 We're talking about adults.

07:39:01.740 I'm talking about a 60-year-old lady with a 20-year-old.

07:39:03.680 I don't even want to entertain.

07:39:05.420 I don't even want to-

07:39:05.980 She said 60 and 20.

07:39:07.160 60.

07:39:07.560 Wait, what?

07:39:07.940 And 20.

07:39:08.520 A 60-year-old lady and a 20-

07:39:11.080 She said 16.

07:39:11.940 No, I'm saying a 60-year-old lady trying to date a 20-something-year-old guy.

07:39:16.480 That's fine.

07:39:16.880 Wait, what's the age gap?

07:39:17.600 Yeah, I can't think of a moral argument against it.

07:39:20.540 Right, but it's ick, right?

07:39:22.320 Yeah, I would be grossed out by it.

07:39:24.480 Sure.

07:39:24.740 Right, but it's not immoral, as in there's no minor thing.

07:39:29.000 Yeah, I would never say that there's a problem with it.

07:39:34.080 Okay, wait, last few things on your thing, and then we're going to wrap up the show.

07:39:38.340 You said some red flags.

07:39:40.520 You mentioned there was the book, right?

07:39:42.280 Right.

07:39:42.700 You had the scrapbook with all the other girls he had carnal knowledge of.

07:39:48.220 Did you get the impression that he dated those women long-term, or was there any inkling

07:39:52.600 as to this guy was just running through chicks?

07:39:55.220 Well, I thought that at the time, I thought that they were girlfriends that he had had

07:39:59.340 for a long time, and so that's why he was kind of holding on to memories, maybe.

07:40:04.260 That's what I told myself.

07:40:05.080 Did he show you photos of these girls?

07:40:07.620 Yeah.

07:40:08.080 Were there photos in the scrapbook?

07:40:09.280 Were they mostly younger women?

07:40:10.800 No, there were older women.

07:40:12.680 Older women, some grandmas in there.

07:40:14.820 Okay.

07:40:15.580 I mean, like-

07:40:17.140 Now, you and Faith over here are friends.

07:40:19.800 Right.

07:40:20.020 Apparently, Faith, you actually met this man, correct?

07:40:23.920 Yeah, I did.

07:40:24.560 You went to a concert.

07:40:26.380 You met him one time?

07:40:27.920 Yes, right?

07:40:29.260 Yeah.

07:40:29.540 You guys went to a concert together, and the whole time, he was being really nice, but

07:40:34.680 then once the concert was over, he got super quiet on the drive home, and he flipped out

07:40:39.260 on you about he didn't want to drive home, and how we had been terrible to put up with

07:40:44.980 the whole night.

07:40:45.900 Mm-hmm.

07:40:47.660 So, he was just being weirdo in the car?

07:40:49.900 Yeah.

07:40:50.280 Yeah, but he was, like, very, very angry, like, yelling, screaming.

07:40:53.680 Yeah.

07:40:54.040 I don't know.

07:40:54.280 Were you guys being obnoxious?

07:40:55.620 No, no.

07:40:56.220 Not at all.

07:40:56.420 Like, I was, like, so, like, shy.

07:40:59.420 Like, I was just excited to, like, see him.

07:41:01.380 They don't seem that obnoxious.

07:41:02.740 Yeah, I don't get that impression.

07:41:04.300 So, he brought a friend.

07:41:05.600 Were you guys liquored up, or no?

07:41:07.100 No.

07:41:07.600 Okay.

07:41:08.480 He brought a male friend.

07:41:10.040 Yeah, and he had kind of been-

07:41:11.360 Foot doctor?

07:41:12.960 Huh?

07:41:13.480 Was it the foot doctor, too?

07:41:14.880 I don't know.

07:41:17.040 Gynecologist?

07:41:17.360 Yeah, maybe.

07:41:18.680 But, um, he was kind of, like, I interpreted it as he was, like, hitting on you the entire

07:41:24.140 night, and so I think that maybe he might have been upset that-

07:41:28.140 Yeah.

07:41:28.780 That what?

07:41:29.400 Because I had a boyfriend at the time, too.

07:41:31.140 So, obviously, like-

07:41:32.340 So, yeah.

07:41:33.780 I mean, his friend was actually very, very polite, very shy, so I didn't really, like,

07:41:38.540 say anything, because I was just, like, okay, you know, I have a boyfriend, and this guy

07:41:43.600 isn't, like, addressing me or anything, so I'm not, like, deliberately ignoring him

07:41:47.500 or giving him the cold shoulder or trying to be rude.

07:41:49.460 I think that that was his intention with it, though.

07:41:51.900 Yeah.

07:41:52.280 You said this guy was creepy?

07:41:54.160 He was, like, creepy or whatever?

07:41:55.480 Mm-hmm.

07:41:56.180 Yeah.

07:41:56.660 Okay.

07:41:57.040 Yeah.

07:41:57.480 Oh, okay.

07:41:57.780 Because his friend was, like, all right.

07:41:59.460 And he freaked out.

07:42:00.180 He freaked out.

07:42:00.840 Yeah.

07:42:01.180 Well, so, like, your impression, though, after having met him, was that the third date, second

07:42:05.480 date?

07:42:06.420 What date was that?

07:42:07.340 Probably, like, third.

07:42:08.640 Third.

07:42:09.400 Yeah.

07:42:09.640 I mean, did you get any bad vibes from the guy?

07:42:12.740 Yeah.

07:42:13.360 He was-

07:42:13.660 Not the friend.

07:42:14.460 The-

07:42:14.640 No, no, no.

07:42:15.160 Yeah, no.

07:42:16.100 The guy that she was-

07:42:17.060 Guy in question.

07:42:17.800 Yes.

07:42:18.580 Awful.

07:42:19.260 So, just so rude, so snappy, like, his mood would change in a second, and just, like, a total emotional,

07:42:26.220 like, whirlwind.

07:42:28.820 He didn't want to have to, even though he said that he would drive me home, and he offered.

07:42:33.180 I was, like, oh, no, I can have my boyfriend come pick me up or whatever.

07:42:36.120 He was, like, no, I want to drive you home.

07:42:38.560 Then afterward, all of a sudden, he was, when he was all wigging out, he was, like, why don't

07:42:43.460 I just, like, leave you right here on, like, the San Francisco State Bridge, and then your

07:42:46.800 boyfriend can come get you.

07:42:47.800 And I was, like, and it was, like, 1 in the morning or something, or 12 at night, and I

07:42:52.760 was just, like, I barely said anything.

07:42:56.280 I've been, like, so nice and, like, polite.

07:43:00.180 Like, I don't know what your deal is, but when I saw that mood switch and how, like, obnoxious

07:43:05.480 and snappy he was getting with me, I was, like, oh, he obviously doesn't have respect

07:43:10.220 for her, because if he had respect for her, and I genuinely, I'm very self-aware, I genuinely,

07:43:15.740 like, was not being obnoxious or anything, and he can just flip on her, like, closest

07:43:20.220 friend like that, that, and doesn't care about her friend's opinion at all, that gives me

07:43:26.580 a really, really bad read.

07:43:28.120 So after, after this experience, did you advise your friend?

07:43:31.840 Yeah, of course.

07:43:32.420 Hey, this guy's bad news, or?

07:43:34.240 But it's, but at the end of the day, like, I can advise, but at the end of the day, it's

07:43:37.620 her business, her life.

07:43:38.520 Right.

07:43:38.920 Yeah.

07:43:39.340 Yeah.

07:43:40.520 And you said, lastly, he took advantage of you because you're young and experienced, and

07:43:45.360 in your words, not mine, pretty stupid.

07:43:49.000 I don't think you're stupid.

07:43:50.560 No.

07:43:51.980 This is a pretty crazy scenario, Pierre.

07:43:55.460 You, I don't know if there's any other details you want to share about this.

07:44:02.700 No, I just want to make it clear that, like, even though my age-gapped relationship has

07:44:07.060 worked out, I don't...

07:44:08.040 Nick, we can't see her.

07:44:10.940 No, it's not your fault.

07:44:12.640 That's not, like, typically, like, what I go for or anything like that.

07:44:16.300 It's just the men, the younger men I have, like, talked to throughout my life, all that

07:44:21.380 they were after was sex.

07:44:22.460 And so, I feel like older men have been the only people that have, like, taken me seriously

07:44:28.400 in that regard.

07:44:30.880 So, you're saying younger men, that's, they only want one thing?

07:44:36.120 In my experience, yes.

07:44:37.520 I could see that.

07:44:38.820 You've had experience with that, Renee?

07:44:40.820 Yeah.

07:44:41.340 I'd say especially, like, you guys aren't from here, but in Isla Vista, it's definitely

07:44:46.080 a big culture.

07:44:47.240 Oh, yeah.

07:44:47.760 I have a couple friends who go to UCSB.

07:44:49.980 Yeah.

07:44:50.660 It's like, well, I was using dating apps a lot at the time, and so it's rare that you

07:44:55.620 even will find a guy that, like, is willing to take you on a date.

07:44:58.780 He's just like, do you want to meet at my place?

07:45:00.300 Come over.

07:45:00.940 Seriously.

07:45:01.260 I do want to say one thing, though, because I hear this fairly frequently from a lot of

07:45:06.280 women.

07:45:07.080 All men, they only want one thing.

07:45:09.500 All men want is pussy.

07:45:11.540 I have a quote from the late and great Patrice O'Neill.

07:45:18.160 I think he said something along the lines of, pussy is not all I want unless that's all

07:45:24.780 you got.

07:45:28.160 Wild.

07:45:28.820 Poignant.

07:45:29.120 That's not my position.

07:45:34.280 Yo, wheelchair Catholic, thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.

07:45:38.360 I think it goes something like, pussy's not the only thing I want unless, well, okay,

07:45:42.420 whatever.

07:45:43.460 I would like to think I have a lot to offer.

07:45:46.060 We can't, okay.

07:45:50.080 No, it's just we didn't see you when you said that.

07:45:51.960 Oh, okay.

07:45:53.200 You have a lot to offer?

07:45:55.220 I would like to think so.

07:45:56.300 What?

07:45:57.320 I mean, I have like a career going for myself.

07:46:00.280 Do you think men care about that?

07:46:02.840 I think that men want a woman that's driven.

07:46:05.700 Nope.

07:46:07.580 Sorry.

07:46:07.960 I'm not saying that you don't bring other things besides that, but I think one thing

07:46:12.940 that sometimes women will do is they'll think about what they desire in a partner and make

07:46:19.540 the false assumption that men desire those same exact traits that they find attractive

07:46:26.480 in men.

07:46:27.880 And so when it comes to your ambition, your success, your money, your career achievement,

07:46:34.240 your educational achievement, I'm not saying that that's bad.

07:46:40.760 If you want to pursue that, fantastic.

07:46:43.480 But in terms of making yourself more appealing, it doesn't make you more attractive to men

07:46:50.200 in the same way that a man who's, for example, has some sort of status or money or reputation

07:46:58.300 when it comes to his career.

07:46:59.600 I don't think that's universal.

07:47:00.120 I wasn't saying that I think it makes me more attractive.

07:47:02.420 I was just saying I have more to offer than just my body.

07:47:05.120 I think that everybody has something to offer.

07:47:07.660 It's just in the other person to see the value.

07:47:10.080 There are broke boys out there who want a mother to provide.

07:47:14.300 Well, the first thing you went to was, well, I think you said, what, you're ambitious,

07:47:19.680 you're a career or something?

07:47:20.720 Right, and then also...

07:47:21.900 I mean, I hate to break it to you, men don't give a fuck, generally speaking.

07:47:26.280 Okay, but also I feel like there are other things in a traditional relationship that the

07:47:32.120 woman can bring to the table, like being nurturing, being a mother figure, things like that, stroking

07:47:36.520 your man's ego, I think that that is also something that in today's age is kind of rare to find

07:47:42.980 with the modern woman.

07:47:44.580 Right, and I'm just pushing back against this because, I mean, there's a biological basis

07:47:49.960 for this, but just, this is sort of a lie that feminists teach, is like, yeah, men are really

07:47:57.380 preoccupied with your educational achievement, your degrees, your money, your career achievement.

07:48:05.380 Men, it's good.

07:48:07.020 Look, if you have that stuff, it's good, but in terms of dating, it's not an attraction trigger.

07:48:14.060 So, you would want to be with a woman who's like a high school dropout?

07:48:20.620 Why would that be a deal breaker?

07:48:23.000 Because, I don't know, like...

07:48:24.260 Let's just say somebody that doesn't have any goals.

07:48:26.020 Why would that be...

07:48:27.060 I mean, honestly, why would that be...

07:48:28.700 If she met the criteria...

07:48:30.920 Because you don't care about the brains of your females, you guys just want subservient

07:48:34.120 level.

07:48:34.260 I mean, that just proves it's not that men don't care.

07:48:36.740 I don't understand, is her being a high school dropout mean that she's instantly going

07:48:40.820 to not have a brain?

07:48:41.920 Okay, no.

07:48:42.060 Because you're going to college and you're dumb as fuck.

07:48:44.060 Oh, roasted.

07:48:44.680 So, I don't know why you would bring that up.

07:48:48.600 So, I'm just asking, like, honestly, how would that be a disqualifier?

07:48:52.880 I don't think she's dumb.

07:48:53.180 She's not dumb.

07:48:55.160 Thank you.

07:48:55.880 Thank you, guys.

07:48:56.260 I don't think Renee's dumb.

07:48:57.160 I think, though, that as a mother...

07:48:58.600 Sorry.

07:48:59.380 ...to a child, it's important to be educated so that you can...

07:49:02.920 I'll actually engage you on this question, though.

07:49:05.260 So, for example, I'm 34.

07:49:07.440 I will date...

07:49:08.240 And I'm fairly successful.

07:49:10.000 I will date a girl who works at Chick-fil-A.

07:49:12.640 Don't give a fuck.

07:49:13.600 Like, she could...

07:49:15.480 Most women graduate high school.

07:49:17.180 So, I mean, I'll just say she's a college dropout.

07:49:19.620 Don't care.

07:49:20.960 I'll date a girl who works at Chick-fil-A.

07:49:23.280 Aren't you bothered by her lack of, like, work ethic to continue trying in college?

07:49:28.080 I mean, that's just proving his point that men don't mind whether you have a career or anything.

07:49:31.220 She's probably happy that she works at Chick-fil-A so that she can bring him home, like, free food and everything, you know?

07:49:36.020 I think that also goes into the type of man that I'm wanting.

07:49:41.980 You know, a high-value man, I think they want.

07:49:43.520 You think a high-value...

07:49:44.600 Here's what's funny.

07:49:45.640 You want a high-value man?

07:49:46.740 So, do you want a guy who's got status or wealth?

07:49:51.880 Not necessarily wealth, but just has something going for himself.

07:49:55.820 Well, okay.

07:49:56.840 My argument here would be the more successful a guy becomes, the more status he gets, the more money he gets, the less he cares about your money.

07:50:06.620 Right, but those type of men want to have, want to be able to have an intellectual conversation with a woman.

07:50:10.680 No, not really.

07:50:12.840 But, okay.

07:50:13.260 In my experience?

07:50:13.920 So, hold on.

07:50:14.440 Let me...

07:50:15.040 No, no, no.

07:50:15.600 Like, have a good girlfriend.

07:50:16.320 Well, here's the thing.

07:50:17.180 I think that maybe, don't speak for all men because there are exceptions to the rule on that.

07:50:23.100 Sure.

07:50:23.720 Of course.

07:50:23.740 Like, for example, my husband, he needs intellectual discussion and conversation.

07:50:30.160 He's a philosopher.

07:50:31.700 Like, he has to have that.

07:50:32.920 Like, he's, you know, and so one of the things he valued with me was he could have those type of discussions and conversations with me.

07:50:40.240 And it wasn't only just a looks thing.

07:50:42.700 Like, he valued being able to have those discussions.

07:50:45.160 Sure.

07:50:45.660 My dad is literally intimacy and real connection.

07:50:48.700 There's men out there who...

07:50:51.160 You can't trust a woman who's dumb to raise his children.

07:50:53.580 Right, and also my man wants a woman that's going to get him out of bed in the morning and push him to keep doing things and succeeding.

07:51:01.700 But that has nothing to do with your academic or career achievement.

07:51:05.700 Yeah, it does.

07:51:06.660 No?

07:51:06.780 Because you have to get up out of bed in the morning to do stuff.

07:51:09.240 Like, you think the Chick-fil-A worker who's going in at four is going to be like, get up for your 6 a.m. shift, sweetie.

07:51:13.660 Here's your coffee.

07:51:14.700 Like, no.

07:51:15.180 She's going to be laying in bed.

07:51:16.400 This is just an example of what I was saying.

07:51:17.360 I think...

07:51:17.540 Well, no.

07:51:17.980 You're making some...

07:51:18.620 Why would she be laying in bed?

07:51:19.940 I don't know.

07:51:20.680 Andrew, I would actually argue...

07:51:23.260 I think you're looking down upon fast food workers.

07:51:25.760 Yeah.

07:51:25.900 These people work incredibly fucking hard.

07:51:28.460 Okay.

07:51:28.600 They're on their feet for eight, nine, ten hours a day.

07:51:31.380 They're showing up on time every single day.

07:51:33.940 No hate, but I mean...

07:51:34.680 And fucking working hard.

07:51:35.580 I'm assuming...

07:51:36.160 You think...

07:51:36.480 I actually would...

07:51:37.380 I think the women who work at a fast food restaurant have learned more valuable life lessons

07:51:43.080 than some pampered fucking college chick.

07:51:46.420 For sure.

07:51:47.140 A lot of these college chicks, their daddy, whatever their parents, pay for everything.

07:51:51.800 They've never even really worked a job.

07:51:54.280 Yeah.

07:51:54.960 I'll take the girl who's actually worked in a fast food environment over the girl who's

07:52:00.920 never worked, who's gotten a college education.

07:52:03.060 I take that and I respect fast food workers.

07:52:06.280 What's up?

07:52:06.420 No, but my point was...

07:52:07.800 I was assuming this is someone who's your age and working at Chick-fil-A and she's planning

07:52:12.040 on working at Chick-fil-A for the rest of her life.

07:52:14.620 That's kind of crazy to me.

07:52:15.760 I think what a lot of the...

07:52:17.220 Because she doesn't want anything else?

07:52:18.840 They don't...

07:52:19.240 What if she likes Chick-fil-A?

07:52:20.120 Listen, they don't care about the woman's career as much because they're thinking more

07:52:24.760 along the lines of they would prefer their wives to be wives and mothers of children.

07:52:29.800 And I think a lot of men that actually have the ability to, they prefer for their women

07:52:35.800 to be able to stay at home and raise children.

07:52:39.720 Yeah.

07:52:40.100 You have to take into account, though, also his age.

07:52:42.740 I mean, he's obviously way more experienced than I am.

07:52:45.380 And so he's had that where, you know, they maybe weren't as driven.

07:52:49.620 And so, you know, he's told me firsthand that this is something that he wants.

07:52:55.640 For you to be driven?

07:52:57.300 For his partner to be.

07:52:59.140 But you're dating him, right?

07:53:00.740 So he sees...

07:53:01.740 Are you saying he sees that in you?

07:53:02.940 Well, I mean, he's talking about...

07:53:03.620 Well, when we were first dating, he...

07:53:05.220 Obviously, we went over what we want in a partner and...

07:53:08.440 But, okay, hold on.

07:53:09.460 Now you have to look at men's motivation.

07:53:12.140 And the reality is, is that...

07:53:14.840 I mean, he still tells me that to this day, though.

07:53:18.120 Well, right, he's...

07:53:19.340 Okay.

07:53:20.100 Men...

07:53:20.860 Look, if a guy...

07:53:22.100 Look, there are some men who I suppose genuinely will, like, care about your career or whatever,

07:53:27.860 educational achievement, whatever.

07:53:29.580 You also have to understand, if a guy, if you care about that, and the guy's like,

07:53:35.060 I don't give a fuck about it, you're probably going to be like, I don't want to date this

07:53:39.280 guy.

07:53:39.520 So a lot of men are going to play the game.

07:53:42.980 Like, let me ask you...

07:53:43.680 Be honest, ladies.

07:53:45.240 Do men lie to get pussy?

07:53:47.480 Yes.

07:53:48.040 Yeah.

07:53:49.100 Would it be in a man's best interest to be like, Renee, I fucking love that you're going

07:53:56.240 after your diploma.

07:53:58.300 I...

07:53:58.740 You're so smart.

07:54:00.460 And, you know, I really...

07:54:02.420 I'm impressed.

07:54:04.320 I think it's sexy.

07:54:05.440 I think it's so sexy that you're going after this.

07:54:09.380 And, you know, I want to support you.

07:54:12.100 And I'm not doing a great job at this.

07:54:14.540 But, bro, they're gonna...

07:54:15.840 Like, that's what guys do.

07:54:18.080 And they're gonna gas you up.

07:54:19.780 And they're gonna tell you shit like that.

07:54:21.480 But, like, deep down, I would argue most men...

07:54:25.480 Most men prioritize...

07:54:29.140 It's very low on the totem pole.

07:54:30.420 Most men are going to prioritize other things in terms of what they find attractive in women.

07:54:34.740 Like what?

07:54:35.680 Well, men want support.

07:54:37.400 Someone to cook for them.

07:54:39.080 Like, I'm gonna be so...

07:54:39.920 Sandwiches.

07:54:41.300 I'm gonna be sandwiches and beverages.

07:54:43.220 Being submissive, bringing a man peace, not being quarrelsome.

07:54:47.840 Making his food.

07:54:49.320 That's basic stuff.

07:54:51.000 Very simple.

07:54:52.360 Being a simp.

07:54:52.780 At the same time, she's 19, so the men that she's interacted with are very different.

07:54:58.080 Wait, what's that?

07:54:58.580 That was just an example.

07:54:59.280 Like, she's 19, so the men that she's interacted with and had, like, you know, relationships with or whatever is very different from the men that you may interact with already.

07:55:09.540 Hold on.

07:55:09.780 But the men her age care even less about it.

07:55:13.580 No, that's cap.

07:55:14.700 That's cap.

07:55:15.200 Because some of them know they're gonna grow up poor.

07:55:18.080 You think...

07:55:18.680 They're not grow up poor.

07:55:19.480 Hold on, bro.

07:55:19.720 They're not gonna be able to get a good job.

07:55:21.080 You think frat boys or fucking party fuck boys in Isla Vista give a fuck about what you're doing with your...

07:55:28.820 Do you think they care if you're a bio major versus a comm major?

07:55:32.160 They don't give a fuck.

07:55:34.440 I'm sorry.

07:55:34.740 It might be that some of the guys that don't...

07:55:37.740 That are not high earners do see a value in a woman.

07:55:40.500 That's what I'm saying.

07:55:41.280 I was just gonna ask how many of them can afford...

07:55:42.720 But are you attracted to those men is the question.

07:55:47.040 To non-high earners?

07:55:48.340 Well, yeah.

07:55:48.840 Unfortunately.

07:55:49.460 In the past.

07:55:50.940 Maybe it's cute.

07:55:51.520 But, like, you're also...

07:55:53.000 You're 19, right?

07:55:53.700 You're in college.

07:55:54.340 Your earning potential is so delayed that it's even irrelevant now.

07:55:58.340 What, these...

07:55:58.800 They still think about it.

07:56:00.200 We definitely still talk about it.

07:56:00.940 Really?

07:56:01.180 The 20-year-old guys are like, five years down the road, she's gonna be providing for me?

07:56:05.260 Like, really?

07:56:05.900 Like, these...

07:56:06.520 Most of these dudes are temporary.

07:56:08.080 Let's be honest.

07:56:08.600 Yeah.

07:56:08.920 But, I mean, I don't know.

07:56:10.560 Most of these college relationships are fucking...

07:56:12.380 I will say that, you know, my husband frequently talks to me being like, when are you gonna be done

07:56:18.820 with your bachelors?

07:56:19.440 When are you gonna be done with your bachelors?

07:56:20.820 I'm so tired of watching you get stressed.

07:56:22.640 I just want you to stay home all day and do what you love.

07:56:25.260 Cook, hang out, you know, hang out with the cat.

07:56:27.940 Like, he genuinely...

07:56:29.020 And he was so much more excited when I got my job at the grocery store than he was when

07:56:33.300 I brought home my four-point-whatever GPA for the whatever-th time this last semester.

07:56:39.860 And honestly, like, if you really want to just be able to hook a guy, like, be good at making food.

07:56:46.980 I promise you, my husband's an EMT when he's working his doubles and everything.

07:56:50.660 But he's only 20.

07:56:51.120 I was...

07:56:51.400 Yeah.

07:56:51.600 You can't be interested in that.

07:56:52.940 Oh, no.

07:56:53.520 I make a mean pasta.

07:56:55.680 I was good at cooking and I still got cheated on.

07:56:58.620 Also, on the whole, like, high-value thing.

07:57:00.820 So, the more money a guy makes, the less he's going to care about your money.

07:57:05.600 Because, Millie, you made a good point.

07:57:06.980 Well, you know, look, there is an economic reality here that for most households, it's

07:57:14.500 going to have to be a two-income household to support a family.

07:57:18.940 That's just the economic reality of today.

07:57:21.160 So, you know, the average man, it might be more part of the calculus.

07:57:25.360 But the reality is, like, that average man, when it comes to the optimum in terms of what

07:57:30.560 he finds attractive in women, there might be economic realities.

07:57:35.000 But in terms of strictly dating and what men find attractive, like, it's really not...

07:57:41.180 Like, he's going to...

07:57:41.800 If he has to pick between, like, the girl who's got a better personality and more physically

07:57:46.620 attractive, but she's not...

07:57:49.360 Here's two scenarios.

07:57:50.700 Because she's 30 years old, she's an attorney, she's a bit disagreeable because she's an

07:57:56.560 attorney, but she makes really good money, versus dating a 22-year-old who works at Chick-fil-A

07:58:03.500 and she's one, two, three points more attractive than the attorney chick.

07:58:08.620 Most guys, even if he's not a high earner, want that Chick-fil-A chick.

07:58:15.380 I mean, why can't you have both, though?

07:58:17.700 Because you would raise the kids.

07:58:19.100 What do you mean, both?

07:58:20.280 If you have...

07:58:20.640 If you're as ambitious to go after a career, and if you're saying, like, he's high value,

07:58:24.440 who would raise your kids?

07:58:26.400 Yeah.

07:58:27.040 We...

07:58:27.360 I would, but I mean, we're...

07:58:29.180 We want kids further down the line.

07:58:30.840 I don't plan on having children until I'm at least 35.

07:58:33.800 So then...

07:58:34.520 Well, you would have a...

07:58:35.840 You would have a geriatric pregnancy, and that would not be, like, the best situation.

07:58:40.640 I could freeze my head.

07:58:41.520 No need to hate.

07:58:42.320 My mom had me at 42.

07:58:43.960 I mean, I would rather...

07:58:44.820 But that's suboptimal, right?

07:58:45.200 Your mom's a legend.

07:58:46.380 I would rather be...

07:58:46.820 I was a C-section.

07:58:47.500 And all you do is walk around talking about how you want to unalive yourself, so...

07:58:51.900 Yeah, all that work.

07:58:53.160 God, how dare I?

07:58:54.480 I would rather be in a position where I could comfortably provide for my child and not have

07:58:59.880 to rely on my man to carry the weight.

07:59:02.840 You know, I mean...

07:59:03.540 But what if he would want to?

07:59:04.720 Yeah.

07:59:05.420 What if he leaves?

07:59:06.680 Right.

07:59:07.280 Exactly.

07:59:07.480 What if he jeeps on you?

07:59:08.520 If he leaves and you guys are married, she would be in a position where she would actually

07:59:13.340 be supported through alimony and through child support.

07:59:15.420 Yeah, sometimes they don't pay child support.

07:59:16.840 Yeah, that doesn't always work out.

07:59:17.760 Yeah, I think that...

07:59:18.620 Well, courts are pretty...

07:59:19.580 I think that there's a valid thing here.

07:59:20.780 Like, I think a lot of the reason why you see so many women adamant about having careers

07:59:25.580 is the fear that what if the man leaves?

07:59:28.420 They don't want to be on welfare.

07:59:30.020 They don't want to...

07:59:31.080 No, no, no.

07:59:31.600 Who initiate most of divorces, though?

07:59:33.760 Okay, but I'm saying a lot of women...

07:59:36.240 What if he cheats on you?

07:59:36.820 Think about...

07:59:37.580 They initiate divorces because the men treat them worse.

07:59:39.900 What if they leave?

07:59:39.960 What if they're abusive?

07:59:40.900 That's not what they're reporting.

07:59:42.040 Those aren't the figures that represent the majority of divorces.

07:59:46.160 Most women aren't divorcing their...

07:59:47.120 Irreconcilable differences.

07:59:48.200 Yeah.

07:59:49.000 It's because...

07:59:49.920 Not because of cheating.

07:59:50.880 A lot of women...

07:59:51.680 We're the figures.

07:59:52.360 You can find them on Pew Research.

07:59:53.900 In fact, Ryan can pull them up.

07:59:55.260 Thanks.

07:59:55.600 I just think it's smart to have a backup plan.

07:59:58.040 That's crazy.

07:59:58.820 But couldn't you also have a backup plan?

08:00:00.820 Like, let's say you had kids younger.

08:00:03.100 Couldn't you also go into the job market once your kids are older?

08:00:07.380 And you'd still be able to provide them?

08:00:08.080 Yeah, but I'll be burnt out by then.

08:00:10.380 I won't have the energy that I do now.

08:00:11.660 You won't have the energy to have kids?

08:00:14.760 Just, you know, as some fatherly advice here.

08:00:17.640 I think 35 is a bit, you know...

08:00:20.100 Maybe, like, mid to late 20s is when you should start pumping them out.

08:00:23.780 At least 30.

08:00:25.320 32, maybe.

08:00:26.900 I regret having kids as old as I did.

08:00:30.500 How many kids do you want?

08:00:31.200 At most, two.

08:00:31.900 But, I mean, every person that I've talked to that has had kids in their 20s

08:00:35.920 says that they wish that they would have waited.

08:00:38.540 I wish the opposite.

08:00:39.220 I had kids in my 20s, and it was great.

08:00:40.220 I wish I would have had kids younger.

08:00:42.100 Because I would have been able to have more.

08:00:44.120 And now, I...

08:00:45.380 Like, right now, I would love to have another kid.

08:00:47.220 But I feel like that would be more selfish for me.

08:00:50.020 Because I would be potentially now compromising the viability of my child.

08:00:58.040 The other value to it is that when they're old enough and move out, you're still fairly young.

08:01:03.920 And you're still fairly young enough to chase after your grandkids and do all that kind of stuff.

08:01:08.440 Yeah, I mean, my parents had me when they were 40.

08:01:11.160 And they're still...

08:01:12.300 Yeah, look, you can have kids when you're older.

08:01:14.300 Guys, it is getting late.

08:01:15.580 I do have to wrap things up here.

08:01:18.440 Let me read these chats, and then we're going to wrap up.

08:01:20.300 Okay.

08:01:21.480 Renee, you've got a lovely speaking voice.

08:01:23.980 Let me have you read these for me.

08:01:26.000 All right.

08:01:27.160 One more to say this.

08:01:28.460 Feminist is definitely an idiot, and no one listens to Apology after a hashtag Me Too.

08:01:32.880 The guy's life can be completely destroyed.

08:01:35.000 He wants to destroy his channel just to see some nip?

08:01:37.700 Question mark, exclamation point.

08:01:39.360 Idiot.

08:01:39.720 I feel like you read that well.

08:01:43.040 Thank you.

08:01:47.360 Okay.

08:01:49.080 Evil World Body Cams.

08:01:50.560 Hey, thank you, man.

08:01:51.120 Appreciate it.

08:01:51.880 Go ahead, Renee.

08:01:53.080 I don't know why people are shocked about the man ghosting.

08:01:56.000 Women ghost guys all the time for bullshit reasons, and no one complains.

08:02:01.080 That's true.

08:02:01.320 Maybe he, quote, got the ick, like you women like to say.

08:02:05.060 No one took advantage here.

08:02:06.400 I don't think the guy, I mean, we don't know his side of the story, right?

08:02:11.700 But given what she said, I don't think this guy was conducting himself honorably, let's say.

08:02:21.580 Not in good faith.

08:02:22.220 I think, uh, I don't know.

08:02:26.600 I mean, also, bro, it's like, that's, I'll play the sound again.

08:02:31.820 I don't know, man.

08:02:32.780 That sounds like a lot of work.

08:02:35.160 Oh, that's a lot of work to like, how, did he finish quickly?

08:02:41.260 I'm not answering that.

08:02:44.000 Because like, bro, what?

08:02:45.060 Okay, let's just say like, the sex like was 15 minutes.

08:02:47.960 That's, bro, you're going to put in three months of work for 15 minutes of pleasure?

08:02:52.780 Hello?

08:02:53.420 It's the attainability to know that he can.

08:02:55.500 Maybe it was worth it.

08:02:56.040 Okay, sure.

08:02:56.640 It was a conquest.

08:02:57.580 Still, though.

08:02:58.680 I mean, my con, like my.

08:03:00.500 I mean, it's the ego.

08:03:01.640 My conquest patience.

08:03:03.080 Like, I'll give it, you know, I don't know.

08:03:04.620 Okay, never mind.

08:03:05.180 Anyways.

08:03:06.520 All right.

08:03:07.060 She went in a big book.

08:03:11.300 I mean, got to fill up the book.

08:03:14.360 Got to fill up the book.

08:03:15.360 It's like having a gun safe with empty spots, right?

08:03:17.380 We have Daniel W.

08:03:18.680 There's an iPad, right?

08:03:19.620 Modern.

08:03:20.440 Oh, Renee.

08:03:21.280 Can we, Renee?

08:03:23.200 Can we have you read this?

08:03:24.820 Modern age women lack accountability far more than men.

08:03:28.220 Look at divorce.

08:03:29.740 Women will divorce over the most arbitrary reasons.

08:03:32.880 Abuse is rare.

08:03:34.180 Incentivized by corrupt family court systems that are relatively new.

08:03:37.500 Child support is not, quote, child support.

08:03:40.600 Andrew?

08:03:41.280 Brian?

08:03:42.140 Panel?

08:03:43.080 Yeah.

08:03:44.180 Well, I mean, child support is, well, I mean, there's child support that exceeds the amount

08:03:53.760 of, the minimum amount of money that is necessary to support a child, and then you'll see scenarios

08:03:59.760 where, for example, if the man's a high earner, the woman, there's nothing like, you know, with

08:04:04.780 food stamps, you have to, like the money the government gives you, you have to spend it on

08:04:09.480 food, but a woman, if you're paying her child support and the child's needs are met

08:04:17.980 by, say, $300, but the child supports $1,000 a month, well, she's going to go ahead and spend

08:04:24.300 that money on, you know, conceivably, she's going to go get her nails done, get her hair done.

08:04:30.820 That's not child support.

08:04:31.680 So, actually, this is a men's rights position, in the same way that with, like, SNAP, EBT,

08:04:38.420 food stamps, whatever, you have to spend it on food, and they track it, and you get given

08:04:42.540 a card.

08:04:43.180 I think with child support, you should be given a card that the expenses have to be used

08:04:47.380 on children.

08:04:47.840 I think that seems fair.

08:04:51.900 And also, there should be some sort of cap, I think.

08:04:56.100 Child support shouldn't be based on income.

08:04:59.100 I don't think that's a controversial take.

08:05:00.520 Connie West, I don't think any women would be like, yeah, women should be spending their

08:05:03.880 welfare checks, or, like, their child support on their nails.

08:05:06.340 I have seen a couple women do that.

08:05:07.420 There is women like that.

08:05:08.300 Yeah, but I don't think they'll say that it should happen.

08:05:10.220 But it's the exception.

08:05:11.120 But no one believes that.

08:05:13.220 I don't think anyone thinks that's okay.

08:05:14.120 I think the problem is more that the children aren't being supported.

08:05:16.780 We have Daniel W., equality comes from the unique differences between men and women,

08:05:22.040 radical individualism, and removing shame.

08:05:24.360 Social stigma has been catastrophic for the West to support and praise a divorced woman

08:05:29.340 rather than shame them of the abuse they cause to their children.

08:05:32.760 Me Too movement?

08:05:33.700 Question mark.

08:05:36.540 Well, yeah, there's definitely no social stigma or shame associated with divorce really anymore.

08:05:42.060 So that's probably another reason why divorce rates are very high, I think.

08:05:47.260 Because it's basically valueless to a secularist.

08:05:50.080 Right, exactly.

08:05:50.920 I don't think anyone here talked about praising women for divorce.

08:05:56.400 Like, literally nobody.

08:05:57.900 Well, maybe not praise, but there's no shame anymore.

08:06:02.660 Like, it used to be shameful to be divorced, but there's no shame.

08:06:05.580 I mean, Emily Ratajkowski is trying to make it chic.

08:06:07.340 Yeah, oh my gosh.

08:06:08.960 I was thinking the same thing.

08:06:11.080 Good point.

08:06:11.760 Good point.

08:06:13.200 Okay.

08:06:13.860 Guys, this is our longest show ever.

08:06:15.420 We broke the fucking eight-hour stream mark.

08:06:17.640 God damn.

08:06:18.980 There was just a lot of conversation.

08:06:21.320 It was great.

08:06:23.140 We're going to...

08:06:24.380 Let me do my outro here.

08:06:26.860 I'm trying to think if there's...

08:06:28.760 Oh, sorry.

08:06:29.500 Okay, last thing.

08:06:30.720 Really quick.

08:06:31.940 I'm just going to...

08:06:32.760 How close are you on your numbers?

08:06:33.840 We'll check that in just a sec.

08:06:38.200 Last thing, really quick.

08:06:40.020 We always do this question.

08:06:41.340 So, body count.

08:06:43.660 Does body count matter?

08:06:46.920 Does body count matter?

08:06:48.340 How about this?

08:06:48.940 Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?

08:06:51.960 Okay.

08:06:54.940 No, they're allowed to care, but they have to hold themselves to a similar standard.

08:06:59.560 Okay.

08:06:59.920 Yeah, I guess just don't be a hypocrite about it.

08:07:05.980 Everybody has a preference.

08:07:08.460 Sorry, can you repeat the question?

08:07:09.840 Like, I know it's about body count, but I can't remember how you phrased it.

08:07:12.300 Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?

08:07:15.000 No, not necessarily.

08:07:16.780 No, I agree with Renee.

08:07:18.640 Yeah, me too.

08:07:19.520 No, I think men should have...

08:07:21.820 Men have the right to care about that, absolutely.

08:07:24.500 Yeah.

08:07:25.340 No.

08:07:26.480 No.

08:07:28.100 Okay.

08:07:28.940 Final thing.

08:07:30.460 What's your...

08:07:31.880 This is the segment called, What's Your Body Count?

08:07:35.860 Decline to state.

08:07:37.060 Wait.

08:07:39.680 Do you want to give a range?

08:07:43.540 No.

08:07:45.400 Personally, after everything I've heard in the show, I don't want to be called a cake.

08:07:48.420 No one's going to call you a cake.

08:07:49.800 No cakes.

08:07:50.600 No one will call you a cake.

08:07:52.200 Well, she declined to answer.

08:07:53.520 She declined to answer, innit?

08:07:54.700 Do you want to do below X?

08:07:56.800 Um, this...

08:07:59.100 I don't think...

08:07:59.680 I don't think I want to share publicly.

08:08:00.940 I'm sorry.

08:08:01.480 Rule number 76.

08:08:02.620 No excuses.

08:08:03.220 Play like a champion.

08:08:04.400 Okay.

08:08:04.960 Less than 10.

08:08:06.040 Less than 10.

08:08:06.980 There you go.

08:08:08.240 Go me.

08:08:09.100 Okay.

08:08:10.000 Wait.

08:08:10.360 Okay.

08:08:10.900 That's...

08:08:11.500 So, okay.

08:08:13.080 It could be zero.

08:08:13.700 All right.

08:08:16.320 Yeah.

08:08:16.720 I prefer not to stay.

08:08:17.720 Anybody going to have some cojones?

08:08:19.920 Anybody going to have some cojones and answer the question?

08:08:22.520 What about you?

08:08:22.940 You going to answer?

08:08:24.020 I feel like mine's, like, a lot lower than people think because I was a sex worker.

08:08:28.600 What is it?

08:08:29.640 I mean, it's still pretty high, but...

08:08:31.760 Go ahead.

08:08:32.020 Like, 21.

08:08:33.340 Okay.

08:08:33.740 Thank you.

08:08:34.240 I appreciate you.

08:08:34.940 Thank you for sharing.

08:08:36.460 No shame.

08:08:37.220 I know a guy with 23, and he wasn't even a sex worker, so...

08:08:40.380 I know.

08:08:41.520 I'm honestly doing better than most civilians, so I got to keep my celibacy.

08:08:46.400 That's a conversation for me and my future spouse, so...

08:08:50.220 Yeah, it's between my husband and I, but it is in the single digits.

08:08:55.140 Right.

08:08:55.700 I mean, this is one of the things where, like, I've...

08:08:58.820 So, I've been in a relationship for 12 years with the same guy.

08:09:01.540 I got with him when I was 20, right?

08:09:04.260 So, I guess I'll put that out there, but, like, they're all saying, my husband knows,

08:09:10.720 and that's all it needs to know.

08:09:13.300 No, I'm not answering.

08:09:15.200 I'm not answering.

08:09:16.360 I'm not answering.

08:09:18.900 Gustavo?

08:09:20.220 Gustavo.

08:09:21.700 He's a virgin.

08:09:23.860 Well, I credit you for being the one person who's willing to answer the question.

08:09:30.800 I'm going to...

08:09:31.040 Yes!

08:09:32.600 That's awesome!

08:09:33.600 Thank you.

08:09:35.100 Multiply...

08:09:35.700 Whatever your numbers are, though...

08:09:38.100 Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.

08:09:42.040 Okay.

08:09:42.800 Kate, your turn.

08:09:44.640 Oh, you guys won't share.

08:09:45.720 There's no way I'm sharing.

08:09:46.900 Sorry.

08:09:47.360 Oh, she shared.

08:09:48.240 One for one.

08:09:48.700 Last time one of us answered a question like that, you refused to answer it when it was

08:09:52.880 posed back to you, remember?

08:09:54.100 But he's the one asking the question.

08:09:55.960 Yeah, I know, but last time you asked the question, I answered, and then you refused to

08:09:59.840 answer.

08:10:00.180 Okay, so you don't want to answer the questions that you asked.

08:10:02.560 Okay, but that's the same standard that you just had for us.

08:10:06.080 Okay.

08:10:06.320 You don't want to answer it either, I'm guessing.

08:10:09.700 Again, men making stats.

08:10:11.320 Why would I...

08:10:12.020 Okay, I will answer it for you.

08:10:14.740 If you will then go back and rate your husband like you promised me you were going to do earlier,

08:10:18.520 and then you refused to after I did the rating.

08:10:19.620 I never promised I was going to rate him.

08:10:20.780 Right, so I mean, you're the hypocrite, not me.

08:10:23.100 You still blame the guy for ghosting.

08:10:25.000 It's never the woman's fault.

08:10:26.860 Also, what's feminists' obsession with talking about a, quote, man's ego, and what a, quote,

08:10:31.780 real man is?

08:10:32.760 Oh, something shit, unfortunately.

08:10:37.460 This is a podcast where they're talking about what it means to be a man and a woman.

08:10:42.220 I don't understand.

08:10:44.220 I don't know what their obsession is with talking about a man's ego and what a real man is.

08:10:48.560 I don't even know if that's...

08:10:50.020 That didn't really come up tonight.

08:10:51.740 Yeah, I don't know if it came up tonight, but Evil World Body Cams, I appreciate all your

08:10:56.200 patronage tonight.

08:10:57.040 Thank you for all the messages.

08:10:58.640 Really appreciate it, guys.

08:11:00.180 All right, let's do the...

08:11:02.000 One sec, guys.

08:11:02.860 Okay, we are going to...

08:11:05.420 Oh, bedtime.

08:11:07.120 Okay, let's see.

08:11:09.100 We are going to do a Twitch raid.

08:11:11.280 Nick, if you're able to pull up our favorite grandma, we are going to raid...

08:11:18.280 Let's see.

08:11:19.900 Her name is WoW, Grandma78.

08:11:23.780 She's playing World of Warcraft on Twitch.

08:11:29.000 And Nick, if you're able to get that pull up...

08:11:32.520 Go full screen.

08:11:34.020 Can you go full screen?

08:11:35.240 I endorse this.

08:11:36.360 This is crazy.

08:11:37.100 All right, guys.

08:11:37.660 So, guys.

08:11:39.380 She's on World of Warcraft.

08:11:40.660 Her name is...

08:11:41.780 We're going to raid.

08:11:42.800 Those of you on Twitch, WoW, Grandma78.

08:11:45.260 She's 82.

08:11:46.040 She plays World of Warcraft.

08:11:47.880 Tell her she should come on the podcast.

08:11:49.580 Guys, like I said, I would say, be nice to her.

08:11:52.780 You know, be nice.

08:11:54.480 If I hear you're being dickheads, I'm going to ban you from my Twitch chat.

08:11:58.000 Actually, really quick before we do the raid, let me just do part of my outro here for those

08:12:02.440 of you on Twitch.

08:12:04.040 GG, well played to the panel.

08:12:06.200 Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.

08:12:08.000 Well, I suppose that's for our YouTube viewers.

08:12:09.660 Thank you for tuning in tonight.

08:12:10.560 You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.

08:12:12.780 I appreciate that.

08:12:13.580 Thank you to everyone who superchats, donates, and supports the show.

08:12:16.880 We will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.

08:12:19.440 Got a very good show coming up.

08:12:21.960 Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to

08:12:24.560 Santa Barbara.

08:12:26.280 07's in the chat.

08:12:28.220 Over there on Twitch, Nick, if you can pull it up.

08:12:32.240 Okay, where's my band-aids?

08:12:34.820 All right.

08:12:35.460 So, guys, we're going to raid her.

08:12:36.760 Be nice in the chat.

08:12:38.980 She's got about 200 viewers right now.

08:12:40.980 I like to raid some smaller Twitch streamers.

08:12:43.580 So, she's the homie.

08:12:45.380 She's the OG.

08:12:46.580 She's a fucking legend.

08:12:48.160 So, I'm going to send the raid over now.

08:12:50.980 Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.

08:12:52.240 Hope you guys have a good night.

08:12:53.280 Thank you guys, Twitch viewers.

08:12:56.000 And that should be...

08:12:57.080 Sorry, guys.

08:12:57.440 That's going down in like just a few seconds.

08:13:00.580 All right.

08:13:02.780 She's got a dope computer set up there.

08:13:05.780 Damn.

08:13:06.180 Solid streaming set up.

08:13:07.020 She has a 20% off G Fuel code.

08:13:09.120 Better than us.

08:13:09.980 Oh, my God.

08:13:10.700 All right.

08:13:11.960 The raid should have gone through.

08:13:14.440 It should be going through right now.

08:13:16.480 Let's see.

08:13:17.360 Does it go through?

08:13:19.000 A little wholesome moment here at the end.

08:13:21.640 Is it going through?

08:13:24.220 Is it going...

08:13:25.280 I think she's got a stream delay here.

08:13:27.500 Thank you for the photos.

08:13:31.080 We have a raid.

08:13:32.420 Is it going through?

08:13:37.880 Did we have a raid?

08:13:39.920 That's funny.

08:13:43.600 She's eating Fig Newtons.

08:13:48.200 She's eating Fig Newtons.

08:13:49.480 She's eating Fig Newtons.

08:13:50.660 She's got to be eating Fig Newtons.

08:13:52.300 Is it whatever again?

08:13:56.540 Hello there.

08:13:58.720 She can't hear us.

08:13:59.540 She can't hear us.

08:14:00.220 Hello, whatever.

08:14:01.560 Welcome again.

08:14:02.580 Yo.

08:14:02.980 Thank you.

08:14:03.840 Thank you.

08:14:04.900 All right.

08:14:05.920 I don't think there's an alert, but anyways...

08:14:08.520 Thank you, everybody.

08:14:10.900 Anyways, that's it.

08:14:12.200 Okay.

08:14:12.980 You can pause, Nick.

08:14:15.140 All right.

08:14:15.740 That's all good there.

08:14:17.160 We raided her.

08:14:18.360 A little wholesome moment there at the end of the stream.

08:14:21.040 Go subscribe, please, to Andrew's YouTube channel.

08:14:26.840 Also, I forgot to do our Twitch shit.

08:14:28.540 I should have done the last Twitch call out before I raided.

08:14:30.740 Oh, well.

08:14:31.980 Oh, well.

08:14:32.700 It's okay.

08:14:33.940 Pull up the Twitch really quick.

08:14:35.400 Go subscribe to the Crucible, Andrew's channel.

08:14:38.320 Pull up our Twitch.

08:14:39.000 I should have done this.

08:14:39.780 My bad.

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Whatever Podcast - April 15, 2024

Andrew Wilson vs. Feminists! Scumbag Doctor GHOSTS Her After Taking Her V-CARD？! ｜ Dating Talk #152

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