Whatever Podcast - Andrew Wilson vs. Pxie (Feminist) HEATED DEBATE! ｜ Whatever Debates #8

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00:01:05.460 full details also for those of you who tuned into the sort of debate i don't know if we would call

00:01:12.280 that a debate uh yesterday on our discord discord.gg slash whatever we posted the uh could you x out at

00:01:21.480 the top there yeah it's all good it's all good uh we posted the clip on our discord it's discord.gg

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00:01:30.320 this woman uh she uh is it it was an assault andrew which did she assault you or was it i mean i don't

00:01:40.180 know exactly what to call it i would say some kind of maybe battery or the very least harassment i have

00:01:45.040 no idea something in any case that is if i did it i would have gone to jail let's put it that way

00:01:49.500 indeed so uh it is available on our discord discord.gg slash whatever that was just from yesterday's

00:01:56.520 show and without further ado i'm joined today by andrew wilson host of the crucible he's a political

00:02:03.720 commentator political satirist and blood sport debater his feminist debate opponent is pixie as she goes

00:02:11.040 online she's the co-host of the sugar spice podcast she graduated from university of florida with a

00:02:17.720 triple major getting her bs in psychology and ba in philosophy and economics now you can each have

00:02:25.260 an opening statement and the rest of the show will just be an open debate slash conversation

00:02:29.440 pixie will go first and then andrew so go ahead pixie hi i'm pixie um i was asked to basically begin

00:02:36.840 with a general world view obviously that's really complicated and really hard because the world's

00:02:41.380 complicated and hard but if i had to say what i generally believe in um most of my principles

00:02:47.220 are utilitarian like the greatest amount of good for the greatest amount of people with the least

00:02:51.620 amount of harm possible um other than that i'm a big fan of rawls like veil of ignorance right if we

00:02:58.660 didn't know what race gender whatever component you want to say and we're going to be thrust into society

00:03:05.360 how would that society ideally be um i just want to live in a world that is as equal as possible in

00:03:13.020 terms of opportunity and you know with a basic standard of living that is my ideal obviously

00:03:18.960 i feel a little bit more complicated than that um and even in terms of utilitarianism oh god party

00:03:25.560 foul party foul utilitarianism um keep going you're fine yeah i still believe that how many utils did you

00:03:33.060 just lose so many i am going to a bad place negative 10 utils um i still think that we have certain

00:03:39.640 duties towards you know our loved ones or you know our friends family members etc etc um but yeah

00:03:49.060 overall i have more of a utilitarian perspective on things that's my my general world view peace out

00:03:55.600 peace out you too homie sorry did uh did not mean to press that i had to move i was cleaning up the

00:04:02.980 popcorn i was cleaning up the popcorn and then um i guess we can get into your views on feminism 0.84

00:04:07.520 yeah um do you want me to do that right now yeah for you just your opening so i was just requesting

00:04:13.600 that you gave me your worldview so that i knew what what prism you're looking through as you kind

00:04:20.180 of tell me what your takes are on feminism yeah so basically my general view on feminism is that we've

00:04:26.000 made a lot of long strides when it comes to equality um i still think that there's certain like

00:04:31.260 gender stereotypes or behaviors that we like punish um for both men and women i do think men are

00:04:37.940 sometimes at a slight advantage when it comes to certain power structures in place um because of

00:04:44.120 old notions of what it means to be masculine or feminine but yeah i just want to strive to be in a

00:04:51.360 world where you know a guy can act sad or emotional and they're not punished for it and where a woman can

00:04:58.800 act like you know straightforward or confident or direct and not be punished for that either

00:05:04.340 um that's just where i'm at

00:05:07.600 so just to reiterate very quickly uh your general worldview is utilitarianism the only thing i i just

00:05:17.520 wanted to quickly follow up on is you said that you have duties does this fall under threshold

00:05:21.420 deontology where you feel that there's duties up into a point and then you switch over to

00:05:25.120 utilitarianism yeah basically i mean if there was one moral system that solved it all we wouldn't be

00:05:31.880 constantly debating about this in philosophy right like this wouldn't be a thing that's still talked

00:05:36.100 like in academia for forever um but basically even though i ascribe a lot to like utilitarianism

00:05:44.340 in the sense of a greatest amount of good for greatest amount of people um

00:05:47.920 um there is still a level of duty that you have towards your friends or family

00:05:55.680 um so for example let's say you get slightly more utility by in a hypothetical reality right this might

00:06:06.560 not make sense whatever in a hypothetical reality um lying to everybody about your friend in a negative

00:06:12.440 manner for whatever reason let's say that just produces more utility in the world yeah um well then

00:06:17.220 there's two things there i think you can probably still create a better world where you don't have

00:06:21.440 to stoop to such a level to lie in a malicious manner um most likely and then second of all you also

00:06:27.240 shouldn't do that because that's your friend and i guess what i'm trying to say here what i'm trying

00:06:31.660 to get at is that um there's a way to be good to each other on a personal level that i think a framework

00:06:41.060 of duty explains better than a framework of utility so you could have a framework of utility when it comes to

00:06:46.560 like general policies like on a large scale whatever um but when it comes to personally like

00:06:53.100 how should i treat you should i treat you with kindness that's where you get a little bit more

00:06:57.280 individualistic obviously sometimes these things can like contradict again moral philosophy as you know

00:07:04.640 is pretty complicated in terms of like academia there's so many different arguments i'm open to

00:07:09.980 learning to talking more about it it's just obviously something that people still wrestle with a lot

00:07:15.780 because there are a lot of moral conundrums out there yeah i don't i don't think that you could

00:07:19.880 explain the entirety of your worldview in a single opening statement right i'm just kind of looking

00:07:24.540 for the the key point principles so utilitarianism the basic harm principle and then a threshold where

00:07:30.600 it meets duty so duty has to be in play there in some points because you don't think that

00:07:35.100 utilitarianism itself can accommodate everything okay so there's like a bit of threshold deontology

00:07:40.780 all right so i'll dive into um to my opener here so i came to christianity first logically

00:07:50.240 rather than uh spiritually the spiritual part of it came after the logical part that actually is very

00:07:57.380 common with people more common than people know um so to give you kind of my framework and

00:08:03.420 understanding i'm an eastern orthodox christian so that's the viewpoint that i go but you know look at

00:08:08.280 the world from but intel wild donated 100 andrew for all of us on the crucible slash whatever side

00:08:18.800 please wreck this woke leftist blue-haired feminist nazi tree-hugging carbon footprint gender pronoun 1.00

00:08:26.220 kuma blue-haired uh that's where i draw the line for everything else is fine but i clearly do not 0.93

00:08:33.620 blue hair she only has green hair sometimes yeah in edited thumbnails yeah so um so i'm an eastern

00:08:41.680 orthodox christian but to give you an overview of what that means i'm going to kind of accommodate

00:08:47.720 catholics and then what i would consider most protestants would consider to be a christian

00:08:53.480 so from my worldview knowledge is not possible without there being a god it's not even possible

00:09:01.520 and here's what i mean by that without an unerring standard or a standard which is unchanging

00:09:07.600 your ability to know something is going to be arbitrary any stand any appeal that you make any

00:09:13.820 standard appeal that you make to anything ever is going to reduce to relativism and it's going to

00:09:18.860 reduce to being arbitrary no matter what so because that standard doesn't exist i actually believe

00:09:26.120 that there is truth which you can know and knowledge which you can know because i appeal to the standard

00:09:31.900 which is unchanging the reason we're trinitarians meaning we believe in the triune nature of god

00:09:38.220 is because first in john 1 1 the word was with god and god was the word okay what this is saying

00:09:48.040 is um if you if you move forward to 114 in john it says and the word became flesh so that would be jesus

00:09:57.560 christ so in the beginning there's the word the word was god the word was with god and then in 114 the

00:10:04.360 word becomes flesh so that means jesus christ is god right part of the nature of god john 14 6 jesus christ

00:10:13.480 says i am the way the truth and the light okay so the key word there for us is truth right the way

00:10:19.440 the truth and the light so in philosophy a justified true belief is knowledge right i mean of course

00:10:28.700 aristotle is the one or just not i can't remember who exactly but then knowledge is a justified true

00:10:36.060 belief so you can have a justified belief but that doesn't mean it's true so since we don't have a

00:10:42.380 justified true belief and we believe that the truth is god and must be god because that's the

00:10:47.460 only unerrant unchanging standard that there could ever be for truth essentially i feel like most

00:10:52.500 everything that anybody tells me who's not a christian is a lie because it has no foundational

00:10:58.940 grounding for it to be true it's moving towards some kind of standard which is completely arbitrary

00:11:06.480 so i think that your worldview in and of itself destroys the ability the very ability for you to

00:11:12.260 even have knowledge so that is the my worldview and how i see things now i'm not here to have a

00:11:18.640 precept debate with you about christianity right but i did want you to understand my viewpoint and how

00:11:25.340 it is that i think about christianity and i think most christians think of it this way yeah okay i feel

00:11:30.780 bad because i know we're supposed to talk about feminism i want to ask you if you've ever heard of 1.00

00:11:34.000 gettier problems yes yeah the thing is is that those can be reconciled through the orthodox worldview as

00:11:40.080 well okay so you're talking in the gettier problems of the laws of logic having problems

00:11:45.120 like um you could be half in a room half in a different room stuff like this but these are

00:11:50.380 semantic issues right no no i or here let me give you an example of a gettier problem um so for example

00:11:56.960 let's say you are driving by in your car yeah and then you pass what is it you pass a barn yeah and you

00:12:06.300 say there's a barn yeah um it's justified you saw it um it's a belief that you're holding and it's true

00:12:14.460 except in this case in this scenario that was actually a fake barn and right behind it was a

00:12:21.120 real barn i know that sounds weird but obviously it's just a theoretical sure um technically your

00:12:26.780 belief is still true you said there's a barn over there um but can you really say that's knowledge

00:12:33.140 did you truly know there was a barn there when what you were pointing to was in fact a fake barn

00:12:38.360 but i mean that would just move into precept so whatever whatever standard applied knowledge that

00:12:42.600 you would have be relative anyway so who cares if there's a barn behind it or not because it's going

00:12:46.880 to be whatever you're going to appeal to to know that there's a barn behind it it's going to be an

00:12:50.160 arbitrary standard which can be reduced relativism i mean does it have to be arbitrary i guess yeah you

00:12:56.160 can never i don't see how if you didn't have a standard which was unchanging meaning could not be

00:13:01.320 changed how you it wouldn't reduce to a relative standard um okay i'm gonna put it this way

00:13:07.740 let's say that there is a certain period in time where you had this village and in this village

00:13:19.220 they decided that like when the water falls down when you're getting water whatever um you should

00:13:25.040 give it to the old people first because they need it more you know it's more important that they get 1.00

00:13:30.780 water first whatever whatever whatever whatever sorry um and let's say over time everything gets

00:13:37.620 better like their water systems get better blah blah things become more involved more advanced

00:13:42.260 um and now that rule is arbitrary things change the circumstances changed but it doesn't mean that

00:13:49.400 rule is always arbitrary what i'm trying to convey here is that no no okay that rule would not have

00:13:56.060 been arbitrary so the meaning of arbitrary meaning without system or something like this but it would

00:14:01.320 have been relative yeah and that's the point it would have been a relative rule so it wouldn't have

00:14:05.700 been anything that you were basing it on other than some metric you made up but even though it was a

00:14:11.840 metric you made up it was a metric that was tied down towards like our physical reality of how we

00:14:17.280 interact with each other how the environment is but could somebody have come in and said

00:14:20.720 don't give the water to the old people first and they could have agreed to that right um they could 0.99

00:14:26.780 have agreed to that but that doesn't mean that they did what was in the best interest of sure but that

00:14:31.260 means that the standard can be changed so if the standard can be changed standard is relative for

00:14:35.440 instance the laws of logic can't be changed okay so so for instance can you tell me how you would

00:14:41.900 change the laws of logic without appealing to the laws of logic first no no i i'll agree with you that

00:14:46.320 the laws of logic can't be changed but i think what i'm trying to disagree with you here on is just

00:14:51.520 because something can be changed doesn't necessarily make it arbitrary no no arbitrary in this case if

00:14:58.000 you're talking about the definition of has no system to it i believe that you can come up with all

00:15:03.680 sorts of systems and then it's no longer arbitrary but it's still relative it's still made up and so

00:15:10.120 what i'm saying is that the laws of logic are not relative they're not made up they exist as a

00:15:15.380 metaphysical reality and they must exist as a metaphysical reality because it can't be changed

00:15:19.980 and if you can change them i would love to know how you could um can i ask you a question on like

00:15:26.780 how do you define and this sounds funny or weird but how do you define like objectivity

00:15:31.200 uh well it depends on what you mean by objectivity so like an easy way might be correspondence theory of

00:15:38.380 truth that that which corresponds with reality you could say is objective there's many different

00:15:43.220 theories of truth which are encompassed in christianity but i think correspondence theory

00:15:47.300 would be fine for us to use as some definition for objective truth yes okay and just to clarify you

00:15:53.940 believe in objective truth you would have to because you believe in that objective standard so if you

00:15:59.200 believe in a subjective truth and everything is relative then like for your moral standard what

00:16:03.660 do i even care about your moral standard for yeah okay so because in my head what are you writing

00:16:09.720 she's crazy okay go ahead um where was i we're talking about subjective yes subjective objective

00:16:21.260 um what that which relates to an outside reality so i think um and we agree with this definition

00:16:28.300 just making it crystal clear well i'm not sure if we agree on it or not i don't think we need to

00:16:33.400 for the purpose of the debate i'm just trying to express to you what my viewpoint is as we go

00:16:39.420 in to the to the debate on feminism yeah showing that i i'm probably not going to agree with your

00:16:44.900 principles of utilitarianism nor you with my principles of christianity but that doesn't mean

00:16:50.320 that if we both can look at like correspondence theory or something like that that which corresponds

00:16:55.040 with reality that maybe we couldn't find some common ground here on feminism itself yeah i agree 0.63

00:17:00.360 i think just my main issue that i take is that when you are because i i also believe in objective

00:17:07.020 morality but i believe in it i think for a different reason that you do um and there's so many thoughts

00:17:15.140 but here i'll start here so basically i think my problem with your worldview or with how you're

00:17:20.960 starting it out is that you're saying oh no like there has to be an unchanging god because then

00:17:25.420 anything else is relative and therefore like subjective correct me if i'm wrong no no no no what i'm saying

00:17:30.960 to you is that knowledge itself is not possible if knowledge itself the thing that you appeal to

00:17:36.180 has an arbitrary metric knowledge becomes impossible you can't know anything if you say there's no

00:17:40.880 standard which is unchanging for which we can know a thing by therefore no belief you have can be true

00:17:47.420 because knowledge itself is a justified true belief yeah okay so you did so by having a subjective

00:17:55.580 worldview from my worldview you have destroyed the very capacity to even have knowledge yeah and i think

00:18:02.760 where the major disagreement comes from is that things can be changing but you can still know of

00:18:09.180 something despite the changes how do you know if you could if you can't appeal to a standard from

00:18:14.220 which if you always appeal to it is unchanging how could you ever know that yeah how do you know okay

00:18:20.100 maybe you can help me answer so like yeah this beer right can that be water no how do you know

00:18:29.480 because i see that it is beer and i know that you unless if you decide to do some a bunch of like

00:18:35.860 chemical processes essentially it's not gonna so you're appealing to some unerrant standard some

00:18:41.200 unchanging standard which would say that this always must be itself like the laws of logic would say

00:18:46.520 this beer can only be what it is which is beer right yeah i'm i'm basically appealing to

00:18:53.020 this is where we're gonna start disagreeing probably my experiences essentially and some

00:18:59.220 laws of logic within like those experiences that i've had right so your experiences are going to

00:19:03.580 have to still be limited to the confines of knowledge which is still going to be confined to

00:19:07.840 the laws of logic yeah but those confines are within my reality if that makes sense so okay i'm

00:19:14.200 gonna yeah that well hang on that's true yes yeah i'm you you yourself i think can have subjective

00:19:19.320 experiences sure i think that you can have many subjective experiences but that really doesn't

00:19:26.080 have anything to do with whether or not they're true or whether or not you have the capacity to know

00:19:30.460 things if you think that knowledge itself has no standard for objectivity how the hell can you say

00:19:36.960 i know anything if that is the case well yeah that's what i was gonna get to um basically

00:19:43.020 for you to state that there is an outside like external like unchanging force you would have to

00:19:51.880 essentially prove that to me why because otherwise proof to okay so here's the thing i will give you

00:20:01.160 philosophical proof that there is an unchanging source from which we can always appeal to for knowledge

00:20:06.920 called the laws of logic now if that is not true can you explain to me how these can be changed if

00:20:13.500 they are subjective they should be changeable can you change the laws of logic or can can you not no

00:20:18.620 i'm saying those laws of logic can 100 not be changed in your no reality reality the problem is

00:20:27.220 in any reality you would have to prove to me a reality

00:20:30.420 exists outside of your perspective which you inherently cannot do because you are quite literally

00:20:37.040 processing everything through your perspective like it would be an impossible task for me to prove

00:20:43.320 that in any reality do you think that a thing cannot be what a thing is essentially even if those rules

00:20:51.420 are true they're so confined to my reality does that make sense even if they're confined to your reality

00:20:57.480 all i need you to do is envision a reality in which a thing isn't what it is which i can't but that

00:21:04.700 doesn't mean it doesn't exist so in all possible realities that you can possibly come up with it's

00:21:11.480 not good enough philosophical proof for you that you can't think of a single one in which the laws of

00:21:16.680 logic would not apply andrew what i'm trying to convey here you see this box yep okay let's for the

00:21:23.860 audience you are in this box okay and you're basically saying oh nothing outside this box can

00:21:33.900 exist because i cannot perceive of anything outside this box but just because you cannot perceive of

00:21:39.960 anything outside this box does it mean that there is nothing outside the box you are confined to the

00:21:44.540 box through your experiences this is just an argument from incredulity ultimately what you're saying is

00:21:49.620 it's possible that there are things which exist outside of anything you could ever envision and

00:21:54.380 so therefore this thing may not be true that's just incredulity yeah no that's just incredulity

00:21:59.660 it's a fallacious argument what i need you to do is tell me based on any experience subjective or

00:22:05.520 otherwise i need you to explain to me why i just did i gave you the you said it's fallacious but you

00:22:09.780 did not explain to me why it's the argument from incredulity is a fallacious argument you have to

00:22:14.440 explain to me why you believe it's fallacious you can't just say it's fallacious okay because i could

00:22:19.800 say i could be incredulous about any argument you make right you could say for instance i'm not here

00:22:25.480 right now right and i go well i well i don't believe that well that's not an argument that's not an

00:22:32.560 actual argument that's not my argument is that hang on hang on do you agree with me that that would

00:22:37.400 be fallacious argumentation um i would agree with you but that's not what i'm saying it is what you're

00:22:45.640 saying you're saying because i can't envision something outside of anything which can even be

00:22:51.360 envisioned where the laws of logic may not be true you're just saying conceptually there could be but

00:22:56.940 when i ask you to demonstrate a reality in which it could even be true you still can't even do that

00:23:02.060 no because what i'm trying to say is that inherently every law of logic every experience you have

00:23:10.800 everything you ever do must go through your own perception first okay but you would agree with me

00:23:17.380 even if that's true okay you think that other people have perceptions right yes but i never prove

00:23:25.340 it from your from your perception you think but you do think that i can think that yeah but i'll never be

00:23:30.000 able to prove it okay but you don't really need to you don't really need to prove it fully you we

00:23:34.540 can just go off of your perceptions then if you can't prove anybody else has them and only you have

00:23:39.400 them inside of anything in which you can envision you from your subjective metric the only one which

00:23:45.460 exists or is necessary can a world exist where the laws of logic do not apply no but that's here

00:23:52.020 here's the deal right if we that's powerful philosophical proof by the way but okay of an unchanging

00:23:58.800 standard which can be adhered to for knowledge here's a deal right if we can agree that even

00:24:05.500 though i do not know or i cannot prove something outside of my own perception that's an impossible

00:24:11.580 task to do um it is still still real to me right it is still something that is you know actively

00:24:18.360 affecting my life i cannot just like pretend it doesn't um it doesn't make it any less real

00:24:24.040 does that make sense yeah you could say you can say that but i'm just going to grant it i'm just

00:24:29.600 going to grant that it's all real to you okay okay so even granting that it's all real to you

00:24:35.000 right do you from what is real from your perspective can you change the laws of logic no no i don't we've

00:24:42.860 already gone through that no no i did i did i did so if the answer is yes then that's the only

00:24:47.340 only standard you can appeal to for objective knowledge right what the laws of logic yeah what

00:24:55.100 other objective standard can you think of which is unchanging the point that i'm trying to get across

00:24:59.300 is that even if there is a reality outside of my current experience which i do not know i do not know

00:25:07.920 if that's the case whatever whatever um there are still these basic components of our experiences

00:25:14.540 and yeah like the laws of logic in a sense are an experience right thinking like one plus one

00:25:20.340 equals two is something that you are actively experiencing going through thinking about

00:25:24.640 putting together i disagree believe that these are discovered they're not subjective metrics of the

00:25:29.720 human mind but rather discoveries which you find because they're true so now you're presupposing an

00:25:36.520 external world which brings us no no no hang on it i'm not presupposing an external world what i'm

00:25:42.300 saying to you is from your subjective metric right now which is what you consider to be everything in

00:25:47.900 reality which exists and that you could ever perceive of from that metric do you agree that

00:25:54.220 when you pass away the laws of logic will still be here even if you can't perceive them yeah no that's

00:26:01.180 presupposing that there is a existence outside that's right everything is a presupposition which reduces

00:26:08.520 itself to an unerring standard which has always been there and always will be there and always must

00:26:13.500 have been there to assume creation or any justification for knowledge i don't think what is it i'm trying

00:26:19.600 to think how to phrase this

00:26:20.600 you are basing your worldview off a presupposition that there is an external world which i don't even 100

00:26:28.780 percent disagree with what i'm trying to convey here is that it is no no no you're presupposing that

00:26:36.880 you can have this conversation right now you're presupposing that you have knowledge right now

00:26:41.660 you presuppose everything leading to this conversation and everything you presuppose

00:26:47.160 leading up to it has a requirement for knowledge which you presuppose baked into the laws of logic but

00:26:52.820 won't grant that there has to be a none that has to be an unerring standard what else would you call

00:26:57.720 that but god oh okay is it um i mean we could get into like a theological debate about god if you want

00:27:06.980 to um well i would like to move it to feminism okay if i've if i have substantially answered your 0.97

00:27:15.320 questions so that you understand where i'm coming from from my worldview yes okay i just i guess i'm just

00:27:22.420 like a little bit uncertain when it comes to well i mean if that's the case then i would have to

00:27:29.000 cross-examine what you gave us for utilitarianism which wasn't much yeah no no absolutely we could

00:27:34.900 dive into that but i would like to dive into the purpose of the debate now that you know my worldview

00:27:39.580 okay the worldview itself wasn't to be the debate though i'm happy to do one in the future with you

00:27:43.880 on this okay yeah um yeah the only reason but if anything we'll just circle back if yeah we can

00:27:51.500 yeah okay because what my concern is that once we start talking about like feminism or worldview 1.00

00:27:57.000 um i am concerned that you're going to bring it back to god which is i make secular arguments okay

00:28:05.140 cool awesome yeah great we're good then before we do that i'll just allow tts to come

00:28:10.220 ulysses the pagan donated one hundred dollars i give pixie prompts coming prepared and taking

00:28:17.960 notes like andrew i don't agree with her worldview but i appreciate her taking the debate seriously and

00:28:24.700 wanting to engage well pixie i ran into her on quite a few panels in the twitch poll universe so i was

00:28:32.340 happy that she was coming in to debate thank you i'm happy i'm debating you right now well let's get

00:28:38.280 into the debate so let's perhaps actually one question before we do that and i think it is

00:28:44.120 perhaps related to feminism i don't know if we've had you on the panel since pixie but this is something 0.99

00:28:50.020 that we've brought on on our dating talk panels very frequently the uh are you familiar with the man

00:28:55.380 versus bear question yeah and so what the um okay sorry stream deck tripped out there

00:29:08.100 so i mean perhaps right before we get into the meat of the feminism conversation i wanted to just

00:29:15.100 hear your your take on that so the scenario is if you ask if you ask a woman would she rather be

00:29:22.400 stuck in the woods with a random man or random bear uh quite a lot of women respond to uh respond by

00:29:30.340 saying bear what's your take on this what's your answer to the question and am i allowed to ask what type

00:29:35.960 of bear well it's a random bear and random man yeah okay um i might be wrong on this number from

00:29:44.320 last time i actually researched this question or whatever i do think that the majority or the most

00:29:49.580 likely bear that you're likely to run into is a black bear um if it's a black bear i would pick bear

00:29:56.040 if it's anything but a black bear i would pick a guy is the most likely guy you're gonna run into

00:30:00.160 predatory no but well then that's weird no let me let me finish um so the reason why i say this

00:30:08.060 is because even if the most likely guy i run into is not predatory or whatever there's still like an

00:30:14.700 unstable factor there right um where it's like in most in the vast majority of cases with bears it's

00:30:21.520 the or black bears let's be specific they don't know they're really apex predators they will like

00:30:26.780 they're basically they have basically no freaking clue um they'll usually like run away or stay out

00:30:32.520 of your way um unless if you're like threatening a cub or something that's a mama bear though that's

00:30:36.720 a whole different scenario um men i think are a lot more spontaneous they're obviously more intelligent

00:30:43.660 in my opinion it could be the case where you have like a normal guy or something and then something

00:30:49.520 happens to a normal guy you know maybe isolation in the wilderness for a couple of years could drive

00:30:53.520 anybody crazy um and then it results into them acting out for example um it could be a predator

00:31:00.620 or it could be somebody who you know doesn't really care like let's say it's a gay guy whatever 0.75

00:31:06.440 um either way the factor is more of an unknown versus if it's just like a black bear which just seems 1.00

00:31:13.440 like they'll they'll stay out of your way most of the time now if it's a grizzly bear fuck that i'll take 0.99

00:31:19.080 my chances with even like a predator guy because grizzly brothers will kill you on site black bears 1.00

00:31:23.360 will kill you on site too the vast majority of black bears are pretty like they don't know they

00:31:28.140 don't they don't realize they're apex predators it's kind of insane i'm not joking i did my research 0.98

00:31:33.080 on this question i'm not why i'm not going crazy you think let me ask you this if you ran walked up to

00:31:40.020 i don't know 100 random men on the street and just walked over and patted them on the head

00:31:44.380 versus you walked over to 100 random bears in the forest and walked over and patted them on the

00:31:49.140 head which one do you think would be more likely to attack you yeah the point is i wouldn't be

00:31:52.740 patting the black bears in the head i'll make sure like i'm staying my proper distance from them

00:31:57.600 with a guy um again as we've established like if black bears don't know that they're apex predator

00:32:03.860 which the vast majority don't they're gonna stay out of your way whatever whatever with a guy even

00:32:07.760 if it's like a friendly guy like maybe he'll want to talk to me or like you know get towards me or

00:32:11.900 whatever and i can't really ascribe his intentions with the black we can just like we can stay out 0.75

00:32:16.900 of each other's ways so from a utilitarian standpoint though wouldn't you be far more likely to be helped

00:32:22.280 by a man than a black bear um i guess it depends if i need help in that scenario well based on your

00:32:29.580 current level of forest survival skills do you think you would be up to the task on your own i don't

00:32:34.180 think the average man knows how to survive a forest i think that the average man can survive in the

00:32:38.040 forest a lot better than the average woman they're just stronger right they're built stronger they 1.00

00:32:44.500 just do tasks that most average women can't do yeah but i don't have the required prerequisite 0.99

00:32:49.220 strength right well i think women do have the strength to live in a forest just like how men have

00:32:56.020 the strength to live in the forest but i understand your point you're saying let's say there's like a

00:32:59.580 heavy log or something you have to move out of the way a man is going to be a lot better at that task 1.00

00:33:03.360 than a woman well no it's not just that it's just even tool making requires physical strength 0.96

00:33:07.320 yeah but i mean like i can still make a tool maybe it'll take me a little bit longer but it's not

00:33:12.760 going to be the end all be all um but the point that i'm trying to get across or what i'm trying to

00:33:18.060 say is that there is a chance that i might get helped but then i'm also you know rolling the dice 0.97

00:33:24.820 on whether there's a chance that the guy is like fucking insane and wants to like kill me or do bad 0.98

00:33:31.480 things if you're such a savage you can live in a forest if you're just dropped in a forest with 0.99

00:33:35.540 no equipment and you can just survive in there then why aren't you savage enough to take care of

00:33:40.120 yourself from a man what is it there's a very big difference between being in a forest like trying

00:33:45.620 to savage for your own like hunt for fish whatever um start a fire versus having somebody how would you

00:33:52.500 hunt for fish if you were in a forest um if there's like a what is it like a freshwater stream

00:33:57.460 or lake or something yeah how how would you do it um ideally i would find some sort of like small

00:34:04.080 insect or bait or something like that um try to do something maybe with like the lining of like

00:34:10.360 leaves or something basically like a little rod maybe and use that to try to lure in the fish

00:34:18.380 that's how you try to catch fish in a forest i'm not an expert at catching fish but if our ancestors

00:34:24.000 did it for thousands of years i'm sure that i can figure out a way through trial and error

00:34:29.500 okay so i guess that really doesn't have i don't know where we're going with that

00:34:35.020 that was it uh let me just let this tts come

00:34:37.660 lol paladins donated 100 we're to see pixie arguing w slash andrew for the existence of god

00:34:47.620 somehow i agree with her we are flawed humans and cannot know real objective truth and his plan

00:34:53.280 for us is that objectively true is that objectively true lol paladins because if it's not objectively

00:34:59.620 true then why should i believe it but anyway one one quick thing this is breaking news i've received

00:35:06.040 word that desiree from uh from the show yesterday who she in a instagram story states she is raffling off 0.96

00:35:16.460 the underwear that she wore uh fresh out and i quote fresh out of the ass i used to put andrew in his 0.98

00:35:26.180 place what the fuck yesterday on whatever so make sure you subscribe and enter before i pick a 0.99

00:35:31.420 winter sunday night 1.00

00:35:32.140 that's wild that's fucking djs 0.99

00:35:40.060 she didn't learn a thing anyways um sorry continue on continue on so anyway um over to feminism 1.00

00:35:51.000 feminism so can we agree to a definition of feminism 1.00

00:35:54.460 it's just something really boilerplate basic um so i give you my definition you can tell me if you

00:36:01.880 like it or don't like it i would say it's the move towards egalitarianism with the rejection of

00:36:05.960 patriarchal systems um when you're saying egalitarianism equality and equity okay i'm not

00:36:14.200 sure if i 100 agree with that but we'll say yes so then what's your your definition well no no i'm

00:36:20.200 gonna agree with it in general but um i know some people take that and then they bring it to an

00:36:25.520 extreme they're like oh so you mean like um i'm trying to think one example are you full by the way

00:36:33.800 because people are a kilo of cereal donated 100 presuming prepositions is preposterous

00:36:41.720 i propose a pedantic posturing proliferated by poor practice must go back to school if only there

00:36:49.300 were a university i could sign up to based around debating right that's actually a really good point

00:36:55.220 he's saying that you're you're actually presupposing even the idea of the subjective being in the box

00:37:01.020 has the requirement of knowledge so i mean that's the point but anyway it doesn't matter um over to

00:37:06.780 feminism um the idea on feminism yeah the rejection of patriarchy yeah and the movement towards

00:37:12.940 egalitarianism do you agree yeah i i was gonna say i'm gonna assume that we're being like good faith

00:37:19.880 right now because some people will be like oh you know you want like equality and like equity do you

00:37:25.140 me and then maybe that means i don't want equity i'm not sure um but oh like you believe in that that

00:37:29.780 means that um you know you think like both a guy and girl despite of their qualifications should be

00:37:36.760 in the same like you know military bracket or whatever i'm using a random example and it's like

00:37:41.980 well no only if they meet their requirements to be in that bracket does that make sense like people

00:37:47.240 will take it and think that i mean on the on the basis of gender it means that they should be

00:37:53.520 exactly 100 the same even if they're not as equally qualified yeah i don't think men and women

00:37:58.600 are interchangeable widgets or that feminists even say that they are okay okay just terrifying okay 1.00

00:38:03.120 we're good then yep so i mean i think i think that that's fine okay right um so if if your your idea

00:38:10.480 there is that their ontology is different men and women their being is different i don't what do you

00:38:16.180 mean by being like well they're not interchangeable widgets so whatever what we would call telos or

00:38:22.300 purpose or the things that they're interested in maybe from your perspective are going to be

00:38:26.620 different than the things women are interested in and that's going to be innate somewhat yeah i'm

00:38:32.020 because otherwise then we do have a problem of you thinking they're interchangeable widgets

00:38:37.320 so if you think their ontology is exactly the same that men and women are exactly the same then we do

00:38:42.300 have a problem yeah i so i think if i had to draw it out again i would say that a lot of drawing

00:38:50.120 yeah i like drawings go ahead there's probably like a scale of behaviors let's i don't even like

00:38:57.120 doing it this way but i'm gonna put man woman even though i think this is dumb because i think there's

00:39:01.140 just human behaviors in general that both men and women per set like have but i think there's

00:39:06.180 talking about a gender scale yeah essentially um x amount of these qualities make you a woman x amount

00:39:11.760 of these qualities make you a man well no that's why i'm saying that's where i would disagree i would

00:39:16.460 say that there's certain behaviors that are just human behaviors that both men and women have yeah

00:39:21.100 i agree so i would say anything that you would consider like a gendered emotions nonsense anything

00:39:25.080 you'd consider specifically a gendered behavior would be nonsense right okay like if you you can 1.00

00:39:30.140 have tom girls for instance they're still females you can have men that do little fucking tea parties 1.00

00:39:34.600 or whatever they're still men right they're still males yeah so i would agree with all of that right 0.63

00:39:38.720 okay so i i don't think that there's a specific emotion i just think that the men and women

00:39:43.580 perceive them differently and that men and women are built differently yeah from conception they're

00:39:50.640 built differently their brains work differently and their bodies are different yeah i think um

00:39:56.060 there's definitely differences in body especially in strength the brain argument is a lot more

00:40:03.140 complicated because then it becomes a question of like nature versus nurture like the whole idea of

00:40:08.600 like female and male brain is like pretty contentious um a lot of it like yeah but if you have one sex 1.00

00:40:16.100 that's stronger right physically stronger on average and the male sex is much stronger on average than

00:40:22.840 women now it's significantly stronger the tailoring of society necessarily around that would create 1.00

00:40:28.780 different interests right um yes at certain points i think the problem is that as we have a society

00:40:38.180 that's involved and as we've had like more like let's say machinery or even like other things have just

00:40:44.700 come and spawned essentially um our dna and like biological predispositions also somewhat slightly change

00:40:53.980 even if it's like ever so slightly so do you know like epigenetics yeah but i mean epigenetics wouldn't

00:40:58.820 even explain this in 60 years that's that's that's that's insane even from even from an epigenetic

00:41:04.980 standpoint well from an epigenetic standpoint like our genes are like you know like yeah they're

00:41:12.300 constantly changing to our environment basically um it doesn't happen in one generation it doesn't happen

00:41:18.200 in one generation or two or three no well it happens it can happen pretty quickly i mean there is like

00:41:23.840 what is it epigenetic studies on like for example women who have had um children or were pregnant

00:41:30.380 you gotta do me one favor though yeah you gotta say women and not woman i am english in my second

00:41:35.620 language gotta say women and not women okay call me out all right um women women women women 0.84

00:41:42.820 w-o-m-e-n w-o-m-e-n w-o-m-e-n no no that's that's i could say mujer if that's easier in spanish say

00:41:50.420 women women i swear to god i'm not being crazy right all right all right fine it's not me trying 0.94

00:41:57.460 to be an asshole it's just it's a second language um there's epigenetic studies of women who um 0.88

00:42:04.180 um you know who are let's say like pregnant or whatever during like a time of strife starvation 1.00

00:42:17.700 resources are low and like how that like literally genetically affects their offspring to be able to

00:42:23.200 like retain like fat better for example um or like basically things that could happen within like one

00:42:28.920 generation essentially um or even that wouldn't apply to this societal social characteristics of

00:42:35.480 the entirety of a nation when it came to the interests of men and women well what i'm trying

00:42:39.940 to say is that if we can already see things like that within like one pregnancy and see like dna changes

00:42:45.560 that it's not a giant leap of faith to assume that like over time especially as society has like more

00:42:51.640 and more changes you'd start seeing yeah you'd start seeing what kind of changes what kind of changes

00:42:57.020 would you expect to see let's see in a society where physical labor and force becomes less

00:43:06.880 important essentially like right now yeah or like how it has been what would you expect to see

00:43:11.940 yeah you would expect to see um basically societies that start centering intelligence as a more

00:43:19.300 important component um or start selecting based more on you know expected intelligence whatever

00:43:26.900 than just pure brute strength yeah but society's not becoming smarter i don't know about that

00:43:34.200 yeah i know about that i feel slated to continue to reduce on average where are you getting this well

00:43:40.600 i'll give you the numbers yeah but not only that let me bring this up as well don't give me just the

00:43:46.220 numbers give me the study yeah yeah but let me give you the the numbers on this as well this is all cdc

00:43:51.180 information by the way if i were to take what you're saying at face value that necessarily through

00:43:57.460 epigenetic leaps that um men and women women by the way would suddenly begin to have different

00:44:06.220 interests not suddenly it would it would be gradual well but how and you said what do you mean gradual

00:44:12.380 like how long because you said it could happen very very quickly very quickly well how quickly

00:44:17.200 it could it could theoretically or certain certain changes could happen within a generation yeah so

00:44:23.500 this is cdc info most female jobs this is according to the i'm sorry the bls these jobs have the 1.00

00:44:30.000 highest percentage of female workers uh preschool kindergarten teachers 98 percent medical record

00:44:37.260 specialists 95 child care workers 94 speech language dental hygienist i'm confused about skin care

00:44:42.940 and talking about okay so where's all of the women who are doing all of these actual labor 1.00

00:44:48.580 intensive jobs now that labor in those jobs is far easier well no the point is as a society as a whole

00:44:54.640 if labor is less important because we have machinery to do it instead you would find both men and women

00:45:00.820 more in service sector jobs which we have not you're seeing mostly women in those jobs and that's what

00:45:06.400 i'm going to show you yeah no you the amount of men who are now like in stem in general like the united

00:45:11.540 states as a whole men have always been in stem men have always been dominated not always we have

00:45:17.560 seen no men have always been dominated i'm saying that doesn't matter because i'm saying that when

00:45:23.640 we compare manual labor jobs to service jobs we have seen a vast increase in service-based jobs versus

00:45:32.260 manual labor jobs in the united states that is just objectively true yeah that that women that women do 0.99

00:45:38.620 which is the exact same jobs they were always doing also done more service-based jobs more people are

00:45:44.480 lawyers doctors software even just wait wait wait wait men have always been in those fields always been in

00:45:52.000 those fields maybe i'm not explaining my point clearly enough the point that i'm trying to get across

00:45:56.220 is that as manual labor has become less important in the united states there is an increase of men

00:46:02.980 doing more of those jobs so before it might have been like hey maybe i'm gonna go but why don't we

00:46:10.000 wait let me finish yeah but this makes the argument no no please let me finish i'll i'll steal me on the

00:46:13.820 argument that way you know i understand it okay the argument that you're making is as these other service

00:46:19.780 sectors have opened up men are gravitating into those service sectors instead of just manual labor

00:46:25.200 right yes then how come women aren't gravitating towards the manual labor sections because the manual labor 1.00

00:46:32.360 sections have been either taken over by technology no they haven't or roofing has roofing been taken over by

00:46:39.960 technology no but what is it it doesn't necessarily i'm trying to ask has construction been taken over by

00:46:45.640 technology roofing has has even gardening basic gardening what about lawn mowing lawn care

00:46:50.640 uh almost in fact almost all labor i can think of which now is heavily inundated with machines

00:46:57.160 still totally dominated by men almost no women do it at all men and average doing those jobs compared to

00:47:03.260 before because you have had machinery replaced but if it took three but this argument still makes no sense

00:47:08.700 if it took five men to redo a roof or whatever sure now it takes two right yeah why isn't one of them a woman 0.84

00:47:16.080 no because the point is as a society as a whole we have just moved away from manual labor so obviously

00:47:21.800 this argument makes no sense yes it does make sense it's very simple okay give it to me again

00:47:26.160 yeah here okay manual labor jobs have become less important we have found technology to basically help

00:47:33.020 replace a lot of the brute force or strength that we needed before agree so the vast majority of people

00:47:38.180 men and women are now more inclined towards service sector jobs okay so i don't understand though

00:47:45.220 are you implying that women were doing manual labor jobs no i'm not implying women were doing 1.00

00:47:51.200 so then if that is true and women were not doing manual labor jobs before and now you have machinery 1.00

00:47:56.760 which are assisting in these manual labor jobs why aren't women gravitating towards those jobs you 1.00

00:48:02.680 all you're saying to me is as manual labor jobs have decreased all right because the market demand

00:48:08.240 men who ordinarily would take those jobs move into things which aren't manual labor that is not a

00:48:13.880 fucking argument at all for any epigenetic stride at all that's just i'm gonna take this thing away 0.92

00:48:21.080 so now you have no access to it because it's not available so you have to do something else that 0.96

00:48:25.280 doesn't mean that their interests still aren't here it just means it's not available why aren't women 1.00

00:48:30.320 taking those jobs still especially if they're less physically demanding the argument that i'm trying to make

00:48:36.320 is as a whole our society has decided to put more value on the service labor jobs that's why you're not

00:48:43.880 going to see women well first of all what would that have to do with anything i'm serious if the

00:48:51.200 argument is you can either become a doctor or you can do roofs sure the doctor will pay better are those

00:48:58.720 choices available to men and women what to do the doctoring or the roof yes okay so i understand so

00:49:06.080 i understand if there's less jobs available to do roofs which there are there aren't right but i mean

00:49:11.320 there's still plenty of jobs to roofs but even if there was less of them so now the men who wouldn't 0.97

00:49:16.840 ordinarily be doing roofs go ah fuck i gotta go be a doctor now so they go and they be a doctor now 0.96

00:49:22.320 you have eliminated this option for them so this is what they can do why are women who can do both 0.99

00:49:29.920 only doing the doctor and not doing the construction part because our society elevates the freaking 0.98

00:49:37.040 doctors that's why our society and i'm not saying this is right i'm not saying this is necessarily how

00:49:42.720 it should be but yeah our society tends to value things that are more service-based than manual labor

00:49:49.460 so this argument we value our ceos more than we value our janitors for example so let me get this

00:49:59.320 right even if it were true that we put the value and we do right we put a value on doctors and lawyers 0.97

00:50:05.520 more than we do like garbage men and shit like that yes i is there's no way in hell you're assuming 0.97

00:50:10.600 that every woman is so smart that they're going to be able to be the doctors and lawyers right no i 1.00

00:50:17.320 never so how come none of them it's not hang on yes no no no i'm saying statistics right now that's 0.96

00:50:23.620 not zero i've got them right now let's do it do you think that 98 fucking percent of dental i never 0.92

00:50:30.180 said that i said that i'm giving you specific numbers yeah the number is obviously not preschool 0.87

00:50:37.380 kindergarten teachers none of them you're exaggerating preschool kindergarten teachers 98 percent

00:50:43.660 women 98 percent women can you send us that so we can pull it up for the audience yeah okay but none 1.00

00:50:49.860 of what you're saying is contradicting what i'm saying yeah no literally so how many roughnecks 0.59

00:50:55.280 let's find out how many roughnecks are there let me finish before i forget here's the other thing is 1.00

00:50:59.640 it rachel who's sending it or what's that the no i'm sending it to you what do you mean you just told

00:51:05.380 me to yeah yeah i know but yeah so here's a couple send it to our instagram if you can here's a couple

00:51:09.840 things to break down also um what is it women are also a lot less likely to apply towards jobs that 1.00

00:51:18.240 are male-dominated fields for a variety of reasons you could say some of them are just not interested

00:51:23.300 in it sure even for women who aren't interested in it which is more of a minority um yes you are more

00:51:30.020 likely to experience sexual harassment or just sexism in general the more male-dominated a field is

00:51:35.240 so you're less likely to get hired and even if you are hired you're more likely to be looked down

00:51:39.020 upon so there are a combination of factors which i've never denied that even i said it multiple

00:51:44.520 times i never denied that women are less into these fields you gave a descriptor that because of 1.00

00:51:50.340 epigenetics what's going on is that no what i said sorry i'll let you finish and then i'll go okay

00:51:57.000 you gave me a descriptor i asked you this question specifically the question was why is it that you

00:52:02.920 think that this is happening and this is in regards to why women are taking these fields men are taking

00:52:08.900 these fields your descriptor for this was because through epigenetics through genes their interest

00:52:15.040 can suddenly change suddenly change and that that's what's going on because now society is valuing

00:52:20.120 different things i'm granting the argument as being true for the purpose of internally critiquing it

00:52:25.280 so here's what i see i see you saying this we have five construction workers and then we have a robot

00:52:33.220 the robot comes in takes the job away from two of those now we have a doctor slot over here okay 0.97

00:52:40.000 the women who are on this side who are in i don't know they're fucking coffee baristas or something 1.00

00:52:45.280 there's five of them okay robot comes in takes two of those jobs away now there's three of them 0.97

00:52:51.000 now you're saying they're both competing to be doctors okay i agree but how come the women who 1.00

00:52:56.620 are the baristas if what you're saying is true about epigenetics aren't coming in to take those

00:53:01.060 three jobs of the construction workers or the construction workers going in to take the three 0.92

00:53:05.100 jobs of the baristas that's the fucking question that i that you are not actually answering yeah no 0.92

00:53:11.100 the argument that i was trying to make is that the reason why people are not trying to suddenly 0.94

00:53:15.740 jump into another um labor job or whatever is because as a whole both the men and the women

00:53:22.540 are trying to get into the nice serve night i'm not saying it's actually nice but whatever the nice

00:53:27.400 service-based jobs instead because that is where the fame notoriety whatever you want to call it

00:53:33.080 social societal respect let's put it that way is that i've already granted that this is the case so

00:53:37.940 let's just i'm just going to assume that men and women both want to be doctors yeah but you can

00:53:42.980 then grant to me that almost nobody's ever going to be a doctor um yes yes so that would be men and

00:53:48.940 women but there's so if it is the case that almost no men and no women are going to be doctors and 0.99

00:53:54.420 they're not going to be in high status jobs lawyers doctors professionals like this most of them are

00:53:59.200 going to be in the service industry or they're going to be working in factories and construction

00:54:03.600 and shit like that more specifically how come we don't see from these ends any crossover into these 0.55

00:54:09.620 other fields in fact they seem to be more inundated along gender lines for construction 0.97

00:54:15.620 than ever before yeah and like how i stated before there's two reasons for this okay because if a

00:54:20.880 person can escape or if there's opportunity for them to escape the manual labor they're gonna most

00:54:26.900 likely take it then they don't men aren't taking it you think they have to do it what do you mean by 0.98

00:54:31.800 they have to like couldn't they go they could go be a fucking waitress yeah no what i'm also saying 0.98

00:54:37.640 is that there's also other combinations or other factors that like how i was saying before for example 0.98

00:54:43.600 women um even the ones that are interested because the number isn't zero it is low however i will grant

00:54:49.260 that um so so low as to be abysmal like almost none in many of these cases like roughnecks for instance 1.00

00:54:56.800 there's basically none line line workers for instance on power lines basically no females at 1.00

00:55:01.940 all yeah the point that i'm trying to get across is that there's other barriers also in place what

00:55:07.480 are they okay well let's get into those barriers let me finish please um so what is it when it comes

00:55:13.640 to a lot of these women or when it comes to breaking into male-dominated fields um the more men there are 1.00

00:55:19.200 the higher rates of sexism a woman's more likely to experience or just straight up sexual harassment there is 0.69

00:55:24.440 usually a direct correlation with those some of it could just be straight up interest maybe not as

00:55:28.960 many women are interested in doing um those jobs essentially um there i thought epigenetics was going 1.00

00:55:35.840 to take care of that interest problem well what i was trying to describe before when it comes to first

00:55:40.380 of all that's not how i was using epigenetics originally but even if i was um my my original argument

00:55:47.320 for epigenetics was that we might see a slight difference in interest over time but that would be

00:55:52.940 regardless regardless what i just said wait let me finish okay regardless of that um even if i did

00:55:59.140 100 grant whatever you're saying you would see the biggest leap not in between oh other manual certain

00:56:07.020 manual jobs you would see the biggest leap into as what we were describing before service-based jobs

00:56:12.020 because service-based jobs are the ones again with the more prestige the more value the more societal

00:56:17.580 respect so that's why we wouldn't see intercrossing you would just see people trying to move up instead

00:56:24.100 yeah that makes no sense if you have a barrier for entry inside of those service level jobs that

00:56:28.800 you're talking about meaning you and i both know that not everybody can be a doctor or a lawyer or in

00:56:34.180 one of these high status fields you should actually see the interconnecting why wouldn't you

00:56:38.320 why because wouldn't you you say because there's a barrier to entry to be a construction worker

00:56:44.000 female what barrier no no no what i'm trying to describe here if we're saying okay epigenetics

00:56:49.300 your genes or yeah whatever your offspring's genes even your genes can change depending on the

00:56:54.200 environment okay um even ever so slightly okay um over time our society starts valuing x quality just

00:57:01.160 let's say they value x quality people are going to start selecting for that quality more right or

00:57:07.680 your genes are going to respond to that quality more essentially men and women got it right so 0.95

00:57:11.620 if x quality is essentially intelligence um that's what more of society is going to start leaning and

00:57:18.560 focusing more towards they're not going to be focusing on the other manual labor job they're going to be

00:57:23.740 focusing more towards the intelligence-based job okay got it so both both men and women want at

00:57:29.400 they're selecting they want to move towards being doctors and lawyers got it yes however this still does

00:57:36.100 not answer my question which is this why is it that women still even if they're competing for these 1.00

00:57:42.620 uh neutral jobs that they can do because it requires zero fucking physical strength they sit 0.83

00:57:47.160 in an office building all day being a lawyer doctor whatever it is why is it that you don't see them 0.83

00:57:52.920 competing to be line workers why don't you see them working on power lines why don't you see them 0.98

00:57:58.260 working on oil rigs those are extremely high paying jobs even for dumb women way higher paying jobs 1.00

00:58:04.140 than being a fucking coffee barista or somebody who works at a weight as a waitress there's no more 0.99

00:58:09.120 barrier for entry why aren't they crossing over that would make no sense why wouldn't they do that 0.99

00:58:14.460 there's a couple of reasons like i listed before so let's get into those based off of interest maybe

00:58:19.260 not as many women are interested in doing those things why not um what is it there are a million 1.00

00:58:27.020 reasons maybe some of them do have a biological predisposition to not be interested in that

00:58:31.380 biological predisposition right so something to do with their ontology some some some other ones

00:58:38.480 um might be raised in a household where they're taught hey that's not a very ladylike thing to do 1.00

00:58:44.260 you should focus instead on like you know taking care of children like that's more you know that's

00:58:48.900 more ladylike thing to do so their interest might develop more into that field basically um rather than 1.00

00:58:55.440 having it being a biological innate thing so for some people might be biologically innate for some

00:58:59.740 other people it might be just a result of society that's really weird is pornography a ladylike thing 0.98

00:59:04.480 to do um what is it it's not necessarily ladylike but it is highly rewarded yeah it's highly reward so

00:59:13.840 as being a person who works on an oil rig highly reward or hang on hang on let me finish now i just

00:59:20.440 let you go okay i'll let you finish i'll let you finish go for it just like working on a fishing boat

00:59:24.260 just like working at you know in the world's deadliest catch you don't see any women doing 1.00

00:59:30.280 any of these or working as an ice trucker yeah here's why here's what's so interesting to your

00:59:35.240 argument pornography is not ladylike in any way shape or form so your argument of wait a second

00:59:41.700 they're told that x thing is not ladylike it seems that women will ignore this isn't ladylike if it leads 1.00

00:59:49.200 to a lot of fucking money if it leads to a bunch of money suddenly the it's not ladylike we can put 0.94

00:59:55.440 a big fucking x through it so if we can put a big x through doesn't seem very ladylike because we will 0.99

01:00:01.220 compensate for that with money why the fuck wouldn't they go do that with other jobs is it because they 0.98

01:00:05.460 can't just say just say andrew they can't andrew let me finish okay i'll let you finish now it's my 0.99

01:00:10.540 turn so i use the word ladylike but the truth is if a woman tries to go into the fucking oil rig whatever 1.00

01:00:18.180 field um yeah a lot of guys are gonna straight up laugh at her not even give her the opportunity 1.00

01:00:23.340 to prove herself basically be like hey you're a fucking woman and again as we stated before 1.00

01:00:27.980 yeah more male-dominated fields tend to be more discriminatory towards women so even a woman who 1.00

01:00:32.760 could do those things and is physically capable of doing those things will probably get a fucking 0.97

01:00:37.080 laugh hey no let me finish let's test wait let me finish please we'll probably get laughed i've 0.97

01:00:41.520 been interrupting you too much yes okay um really i'm just being playful so so hang on so wait no no

01:00:46.920 i just want to test this wait no one point at a time well i you said three points i just want to

01:00:52.480 respond to those three points okay you can respond to everything you want um then in addition to that

01:00:57.560 oh yeah women are very much rewarded also somewhat societally when they do pornography okay that's 1.00

01:01:05.400 straight up you have a lot of guys being like oh like you're so hot you're so sexy oh my god like

01:01:09.740 that's you're the most beautiful woman i've ever seen right and it's still positive reinforcement

01:01:15.860 versus if you're a woman who works in an oil field you somehow get in there you're not laughed

01:01:21.740 off whatever um you make that bag you make that money you're still going to be people being like 0.76

01:01:26.340 really like that's a that's the field you chose well pornography you still have a shit ton of people

01:01:31.780 in our modern society being like wow you're so hot yeah i can put this to the test though but by

01:01:37.620 the way um that's really weird because that would be the barrier entry of politics all sorts of things

01:01:43.140 which are male dominated women come in and instead they're glorified the opposite happens 1.00

01:01:47.220 they're not repressed they're fucking glorified here's an example of this do you have you heard 0.98

01:01:53.020 of the first female navy seal do you know her name no okay she doesn't exist that's why you've never 1.00

01:01:58.300 heard her name because not a single woman even though the navy has done everything in its power to

01:02:04.380 recruit women to be navy seals treat them like fucking gold and put out every ad you can imagine they 1.00

01:02:10.260 want one in the worst way so they can be like this is the first one none of them can actually do the 0.99

01:02:16.340 training none of them been able to actually accomplish the feat of being able to pass basic

01:02:20.120 underwater demolition schools so there's no female navy seals not one so the thing is is that your 1.00

01:02:26.260 argument here of but wait they'll be laughed at they have every government incentive on planet earth

01:02:30.760 to not be laughed at oil rigs will be given incentives for instance linemen will be given incentives

01:02:36.000 for instance to bring women on instruct their staff to train them every which way possible give 0.99

01:02:41.900 them massive incentives and women just physically can't fucking do the job yeah no i said in the 1.00

01:02:48.280 beginning so this idea that it's stigma i need you to answer to the idea of how you can have massive 0.97

01:02:53.140 government programs doing everything they can to bribe the employer to bring women on and which reduces 0.94

01:02:59.080 the stigma to like something non-existent and somehow though somehow though you think that they're just

01:03:04.920 afraid they're going to get laughed off the line there's a couple of things to break down here okay

01:03:08.860 first of all just saying oh no you see they have incentives to like not be stigmatic doesn't

01:03:12.960 necessarily take away the stigma as like stated before a lot of it like it's basically no i'm

01:03:19.220 sorry you have like well who's getting the incentive it's what is it the oil company let's say per se

01:03:24.940 whatever um it's not necessarily the daily lineman worker that's going to be interacting with this woman 0.98

01:03:30.880 so you can have government incentives that doesn't necessarily take away the social stigma

01:03:35.020 um even with that like what i stated before yeah a lot of women can't necessarily physically do it 1.00

01:03:40.020 i'm not disagreeing with that i think the biggest difference between you and me right now is that

01:03:43.700 i'm saying there could be a variety of reasons some of them physical strength some of them societal

01:03:48.020 pressure while you're saying no it's only because they physically can't social stigma doesn't exist

01:03:52.080 which is insane to me wait wait you're strawmanning my position i never said that there couldn't be

01:03:56.860 more than one reason i was just why are you attacking me so hard when i'm starting with my

01:04:01.620 first reason which is that men and women are not interchangeable women's or units they're not 0.58

01:04:07.400 interchangeable widgets and almost no women almost none have the physical capability to do a lot of 1.00

01:04:14.240 these jobs that men are doing that almost none maybe some outlier somewhere that i don't know about

01:04:19.800 but almost none do i don't disagree with that well then if you don't so then various reasons so then if

01:04:25.120 you don't disagree with that you agree with me that men and women are not interchangeable widgets

01:04:29.660 which how we got on this to begin with yeah like i never what is got it so then so then if that is

01:04:34.900 the case then there must be it society is going to tailor itself around people's purpose and if men

01:04:43.120 are incredibly strong can do these jobs because you agree with me that most women can't then that 1.00

01:04:48.640 would kind of say that society is going to form itself around the purpose of men at that point right

01:04:53.920 and as i stated before when it comes to the whole idea of like oh presupposed purpose as society also

01:05:00.080 changes the purpose of both men and women will change as well because society has changed so as how we

01:05:08.100 got here in the beginning critical infrastructure hasn't changed

01:05:10.680 the necessary requirements for what is it critical infrastructure has absolutely changed in the sense of

01:05:19.920 oh it's no longer brute strength we have it's still machinery yeah no it would what machinery is

01:05:26.800 going to lay a roof what do you mean well i mean eventually but it's not it's not impossible wait

01:05:31.740 wait no no no wait it's not possible for a woman to don't obfuscate you're acting no no okay i'm not

01:05:36.320 obfuscating good then let me go down then let me go down my series okay you're acting as if it's

01:05:40.860 impossible for a woman let me go down my series yeah okay so what i'm saying to you is almost no women 1.00

01:05:46.300 anywhere anywhere on planet fucking earth can do roof work almost none do you think they're 0.98

01:05:50.940 physically incapable yes okay i disagree i think there's definitely jobs that women are less 1.00

01:05:55.320 inclined to do um rescaling a roof i'm pretty sure we can like find out multiple examples of women 1.00

01:06:01.000 doing it i think most women are not inclined to do it maybe they're not it's not optimal for women to do 1.00

01:06:05.760 it i say all or did i say none i literally just asked you i said replay yeah replay it my exact words

01:06:12.640 were this to you i said almost none is that all okay is almost none the word all no i'm pretty sure

01:06:19.260 you said none nope i said almost none okay and the reason i never put anything in a monolith 0.98

01:06:24.740 because dumb fucking liberals will always do this if i can point to one and then they say they're hang 0.99

01:06:30.500 on hang on then they say they're the ones who are good faith well if i could point to one then 1.00

01:06:34.260 you're all claim so i never make the all claim what i'm saying to you is that most almost all women

01:06:39.440 almost all not all almost all are incapable of doing roof work incapable physically of doing it

01:06:47.320 okay and this is where i disagree good now we can get to the argument okay i think

01:06:52.020 we could say i at least my understanding of a fruit work i'm pretty sure most women could do it 1.00

01:06:58.400 it's just not optimal it's not ideal it would probably be easier if a guy did it but that doesn't

01:07:04.740 mean women are incapable of doing roof work or almost all women and women's body temperature 1.00

01:07:10.640 regulate the same um no i think women run slightly colder they have trouble in heat yeah but it doesn't 1.00

01:07:18.180 mean that it's not possible for them to do roof work wait not possible for most of them to work in

01:07:24.660 extreme temperature conditions it's i'm sorry is it the same temperature all the time when it comes to

01:07:32.280 your roof outside that makes it worse that because of heat regulation so women have a harder time 1.00

01:07:36.860 heating up and cooling down and so what happens is when you're doing something like roof work for

01:07:41.800 instance you'll have a black tar that's laid under you and so even if it's 70 degrees outside it'd be

01:07:46.400 110 degrees on the roof it's 110 degrees outside 140 degrees on the roof what happens is women actually 1.00

01:07:52.540 physically cannot deal with the regulation of temperature and they're because of their physiology

01:07:58.660 their muscular skeletal system is so small what what ends up happening is they heat up even faster

01:08:03.700 doing labor that men do which takes them half the energy so it takes more energy for a woman to pick 1.00

01:08:09.320 something up than a man yeah as i said before it might not be optimal but that doesn't make it

01:08:14.120 impossible so even using your same example of roof work what would end up happening is that instead of

01:08:19.540 doing it like almost any time in the day or whatever if we lived in a society of only women for 1.00

01:08:24.820 whatever hypothetical reason okay what would have to happen women would have to do it in different 1.00

01:08:29.460 times it wouldn't work the society wouldn't work it's not that it wouldn't do it yeah then show me 0.98

01:08:32.400 a society where women ever fucking built anything and ever ran the fucking society and i don't want 1.00

01:08:37.660 to hear some tribal amazonian bullshit society that we look up and we find out that nope it's not some 0.99

01:08:43.860 matriarchal society there has there is no society ever ever in the history of any of all of mankind you 0.99

01:08:50.820 can point to where there was a matriarchal workforce which took care of all of the 1.00

01:08:56.460 infrastructure work for the society or even half or even 20 percent or even 10 or even 10 percent has

01:09:02.900 there ever been like a male society with no woman whatsoever no obviously not yeah well no well wait

01:09:10.160 we can we can look really let me explain let me explain yeah go explain so we have militaries

01:09:16.340 right ancient militaries who often were off doing something for six seven years in a foreign nation

01:09:22.920 right with a mass unit and i'm talking thousands right sometimes tens of thousands 20s of thousands

01:09:30.500 that's a massive society in the ancient world all men right for years at a time yes we can point to 0.86

01:09:38.120 societies of all men regulating themselves operating yes that is no because i'm here that society would not 0.81

01:09:45.980 be able to sustain itself in the long term they did sustain themselves in the long term no i guess

01:09:51.300 we have different definitions long term because all i'm thinking about is that there's literally no

01:09:55.600 children in an all-male society well if you're talking cross-generationally yeah no it would collapse 1.00

01:10:00.460 what i'm saying is that no society can even do what those men did as soldiers for 10 or 12 years

01:10:05.840 who are women they can't even do that it's not possible for them to even do it i don't know i think 1.00

01:10:10.040 it's really interesting because when we look at parts of our history even within the united states

01:10:14.700 when a shit ton of men like the population of men like decreased yeah because they were all at war

01:10:20.480 more because they all basically went out it's not like things collapsed on themselves like things were 0.72

01:10:25.580 still ongoing we're still here running things yeah no but women could still and maybe we just 1.00

01:10:30.560 fundamentally disagree here but women could still be in those positions of power and things would still 1.00

01:10:34.740 work no they weren't in the positions of power no i don't think that they could be so okay well

01:10:39.200 here we have a fundamental disagreement and that's what we're debating so let's get into the debate

01:10:42.920 when all the men went off to war and women went and worked in the factories or putting screws in a 0.97

01:10:47.020 fucking pack they weren't designing the bombs they weren't designing their grenades do you think 0.99

01:10:50.280 women aren't capable of designing bombs or grenades i think that they have extreme trouble with 1.00

01:10:55.260 physical engineering because of their physical strength yeah okay do you think that the mind

01:11:03.100 like i'm just really curious here okay um here do you think there's a one-on-one on physical

01:11:10.180 strength and like your mental capabilities no of course not of course not right yeah what would

01:11:16.320 that have to do with anything okay that has to do with everything because you're telling me a woman

01:11:20.520 cannot design how a bomb would be because she's not physically strong enough there is obviously like 0.96

01:11:27.540 a complete like lapse of reality that's not what i said yeah i asked you is it possible for a woman 1.00

01:11:32.520 what was my answer what was my answer you said because you're not strong enough it would be

01:11:36.280 difficult i said with what field applied what you didn't say applied anything yes i said applied

01:11:42.200 engineering was my exact words you're just not listening i am listening and i'm pretty sure we

01:11:46.500 can go back go back i'll start i'll tell you what i'll tell you what you buy in and out for the

01:11:51.380 entire studio if we back this up and i said in applied engineering okay let's do it where's brian

01:11:56.940 back it up if i said if i said if i said if i said women have trouble and struggle 1.00

01:12:05.480 physically with applied engineering yep then you'll buy in and out for the whole studio

01:12:09.520 go for it all right how long ago this was only rewind it to a minute and a minute and a half

01:12:14.320 i don't know i think it's really interesting because when we look at parts of our history even

01:12:30.100 within the united states when a shit ton of men like the population of men like decreased 0.63

01:12:34.500 pretty yeah because they were all at war more because they all basically went out it's not like

01:12:39.720 things collapsed on themselves that's because we're still here running things yeah no but

01:12:44.840 women could still and maybe we just fundamentally disagree here but women could still be in those 1.00

01:12:49.320 positions of power and things would still no they weren't in the positions of power no but they

01:12:53.120 could be no i don't think that they could be so okay well here we have a fundamental disagreement

01:12:56.840 and that's what we're debating so let's get into the debate when all the men went off to war and 0.97

01:13:01.320 women went and worked in the factories or putting screws in a fucking pack they weren't designing 1.00

01:13:04.620 the bombs they weren't designing their grenades do you think women aren't capable of designing 1.00

01:13:08.180 bombs or grenades i think that they have extreme trouble with physical engineering because

01:13:13.100 physical engineering you did not say physical applied engineering you said applied there is a 0.99

01:13:16.940 difference what physical is applied no okay okay go get the fucking in and out you can't weasel 0.98

01:13:24.720 your way out of this one my way there's a very that was it because he did not say physical applied 0.98

01:13:29.580 engineering go back 30 seconds or go back one minute actually right now no no i want to go now

01:13:35.880 further back because he said physical applied engineering and i said i said physical engineering

01:13:40.100 you said physical applied engineering and then you said oh no listen you're right i said if i didn't

01:13:45.260 say applied engineering physical engineering is applied engineering okay i there's a very huh okay

01:13:52.720 it's fine i just need the in and out it's what i need there's a very when you're not getting out of

01:13:58.580 there's a very big difference between what is it me having to physically build a bomb yep versus me

01:14:07.960 engineering a bomb for physical use can we agree with that yeah okay so you agree women are capable 1.00

01:14:14.960 of like physically designing what i said is that women have trouble with physical engineering which is a lot 1.00

01:14:21.940 of applied engineering yes okay putting your hand on your face doesn't make you a better debater i know

01:14:30.240 i'm i'm frustrated it's a destinyism you got to stop next you're going to do the triangle do the triangle

01:14:35.740 hands there you go yeah okay um applied engineering or i want to even say physical applied engineering and

01:14:48.000 maybe maybe i'm just wrong here maybe we can google the definitions um there's a difference between

01:14:53.420 design right and designing things for application and for use versus actually physically building those

01:15:00.640 things yeah most engineering and maybe again maybe i'm wrong here i'm open to being wrong

01:15:07.080 um is focused on design it's not focused on me actually building those things that's somebody else's job

01:15:14.560 that would be the person i'm talking about okay you see the person so hang on you can design a house

01:15:20.600 right yes but somebody has to build the house yes you're the designer going to build the house

01:15:24.980 yeah okay so when i say that women have trouble with physical engineering what i'm saying is that 1.00

01:15:29.660 when they have to actually apply past the this is in my mind and build the fucking thing where you 0.99

01:15:35.140 need the engineers to actually build it they have a big fucking struggle with that okay that's 0.97

01:15:39.300 interesting because i asked you specifically do you think women are going to have trouble 0.99

01:15:43.940 designing bombs and i said no i said but what they have trouble with is physical engineering yeah

01:15:49.760 maybe my reality is being like lapsed or something with yours or something because i thought you

01:15:54.500 specifically said yes they're going to have trouble with it they do have trouble because of the physical

01:15:58.900 application these are two separate things yes but what i'm saying to you is that listen if you have

01:16:03.660 women who are just there in an engineering all the men are off at war okay this was the point of this

01:16:08.800 all the men are off at war and a woman designs a phenomenal bomb like the bestest bomb ever 1.00

01:16:14.460 doesn't matter she can't fucking build it or the other women around can't fucking build it if it 1.00

01:16:19.020 requires the male engineers that's the point okay here's another thing it does require a level of 1.00

01:16:25.960 strength to build things however we also and i just i'm saying machinery as if it's like this really

01:16:32.900 complicated thing but i'm talking about like simple like pulley or lever systems ever since

01:16:38.380 like humanity first could build things to get out of having to use their brute physical strength they

01:16:45.520 have and this has come to the advantage of both men and women who are capable of doing this i'm not

01:16:51.280 saying men and women are one-on-one when it comes to physical strength then why haven't they been

01:16:56.240 building shit forever because i they have what they have maybe not in the same i'll tell you what 0.96

01:17:02.400 name one single female invention um i'm trying to think what is it there's a specific tool in 0.99

01:17:08.160 agriculture what's it called i can't let's google it right no no it's not can you just name it

01:17:12.840 no no no name it you can't name a single one i can't you gotta google it well what is it you're

01:17:18.880 asking me about specifically you said women invention all the time what what are they inventing

01:17:24.400 they literally specifically invented like a form of agriculture that had to do with like

01:17:29.160 what is it oh like rotational crop building something like that like that's the exact

01:17:34.860 terminology or something can you think of a tool um i don't think you can even bring back the like

01:17:43.000 first tools like man or woman like i don't think you have like the first like for the free i can't

01:17:47.580 think i don't think it's fair to say the first beer was like built by a man or the first hammer why not

01:17:52.720 because we have no evidence of that we just have evidence of humans yeah we know we know who who

01:17:57.960 brewed the first beers they were monks yeah we don't know yeah but we're talking about very basic

01:18:02.880 tools we're talking about tools that either a man or woman can do now now you're obfuscating him no i'm

01:18:08.060 not your claim was since the beginning of time when we figured out the pulley and the lever system

01:18:14.040 which i would say we probably had access to even from an evolutionary prism for like 50 000 years or

01:18:18.800 more sure yeah okay if that is the case this was not knowledge which was just limited to men 0.98

01:18:23.960 okay so if that is the case where's all these women building all these fucking societies knowing 1.00

01:18:29.560 how to use that pulley and that lever system because society well let's start here you do know 0.98

01:18:37.140 that there are societies and that there were societies before by the way how can you be a

01:18:43.320 physical buildings and have to google a single female invention i have female accomplishments 1.00

01:18:49.060 from the top of my head but regardless of that separate from that okay um you do know there were

01:18:54.980 societies that existed before the invention of like a concrete building right you do know this

01:19:01.700 okay cool you know what a nomadic society is there were yeah there were wait cool they didn't have

01:19:09.400 concrete buildings yeah cool so you know what oh my god debate over i concede you you know okay

01:19:16.200 no con i didn't know that now you didn't know that blew my mind there was there was societies which

01:19:20.640 existed without concrete buildings i know it's very hard to believe go ahead um so you you know about

01:19:26.060 nomadic societies right yeah sure okay so you know for like tens of thousands if not a lot more years

01:19:35.100 the way that humans lived for the mass vast majority of societies humans lived in were nomadic

01:19:40.800 societies right yes so so wait a second we're not sure here's why we do know that we had civilizations

01:19:51.000 up to 10 000 years ago real civilizations that had governments and writing and sophisticated

01:19:57.500 individuals who ran inside those civilizations so when you say most of these societies were nomadic

01:20:03.540 we're not sure because because we've lost tons and tons of information on even the societies which

01:20:10.860 existed 10 000 years ago there could have been great societies which existed before that not sure

01:20:16.620 about that okay not sure i'm willing to concede that most of them even up to 20 000 years ago were

01:20:21.860 nomadic okay at least according to most like modern anthropologists and even those beforehand um what

01:20:28.600 seems to be when you use that tone like this it actually doesn't help your case but it is

01:20:33.440 annoying well i want to maybe annoy a little bit because it's just my voice um it's the destiny

01:20:41.980 toad why do y'all do that anyway what is we look at that and that that that that that that that

01:20:48.260 right when we look at most societies uh i'm just gonna keep doing it because we keep calling out so

01:20:56.260 it's harder to even like forget um basically throughout most human history we were nomadic

01:21:04.220 creatures we would basically hunt and you know travel in groups essentially and then it usually

01:21:11.320 became like once the agricultural or the first agricultural revolution came where we were like

01:21:16.020 oh my god we could actually stay in this area we can actually grow things here we don't have to

01:21:20.860 constantly move from one place to another place and all of this i don't know what this has to do with

01:21:24.980 anything because you're saying oh why weren't women essentially building like these intense 1.00

01:21:31.340 architectural they've had at least 10 000 years um 10 000 years of recorded history the fact is we've

01:21:38.200 had societies for you know tens of thousands of years that just weren't based on like having to

01:21:43.880 have physical structure to function like that's just it like we like this came as that would be for

01:21:50.000 so what i'm saying is when we did which is at least 10 000 years at least 10 000 years we've had

01:21:55.900 standing buildings with structures that had some kind of government in them this type of thing at

01:22:01.440 least you would agree 4 000 years ago we had great structures cities nations the whole nine yards up to 0.98

01:22:08.280 2 000 years ago which is a long fucking time 2 000 years where's all these fucking female inventions 1.00

01:22:14.720 civilizations where where's where's all these great so the answer contributions where are they at oh my 0.98

01:22:21.820 gosh okay what i want to say or what i want to explain is that the ancient world stigmatized women

01:22:28.420 well what happened was after the agricultural revolution what it seems to happen is that men

01:22:34.020 got more control of the agricultural supply so they gained more level and power in society to institute

01:22:40.660 essentially societal rules so if you want to talk about like why women have a woman done this or why

01:22:46.180 women haven't done that well how come they couldn't just use their big brains to stop that from 1.00

01:22:50.480 happening um post-agricultural revolution like yeah part of the reason is men did institute these 0.52

01:22:57.760 systems of power in place that benefited them because they're much stronger than women oh yeah 1.00

01:23:02.840 partially because of physical force yeah well wait what sorry no let's go for it let's go for it yes

01:23:07.580 because of physical force because they're much stronger than women but that doesn't mean that 1.00

01:23:11.280 society was always predicated upon brute physical force because as we've seen before i think society

01:23:18.740 right this second is predicated on brute physical force okay sure we could talk about that yeah let's

01:23:26.660 talk about that so this is what we were leading into anyway i need to clarify okay you're saying oh um you

01:23:33.940 know this is just how it is this is just how it be and i'm trying to say no there were you know tens

01:23:39.240 of thousands of years before modern day civilization where we still existed in a society without brute 0.97

01:23:44.940 physical force where essentially nomadic society nomadic societies use brute physical force all the time

01:23:50.360 okay nomadic societies as a whole um were not predicated on this idea of like oh no like men have

01:23:57.140 all this 100 control over women what it seemed to be is that we would hunt and gather when you say

01:24:04.900 seemed i need you to take a stronger position than seemed say seemings seemings are frustrating to me

01:24:11.800 because that's a i'm not really committing to this i'm just saying i think so maybe so without using

01:24:19.500 the word seem are you willing to commit to that position i'm willing to commit to the fact that the way

01:24:25.580 that early um a human society formed and was structured was basically around you know like

01:24:33.800 nomadic principles of essentially always moving hunting in packs as groups together taking care

01:24:38.220 of children together like basically wandering around the globe um in the pursuit of like you know

01:24:45.100 yeah but civilizations predicated on force you agree with that uh yes i would say after yeah okay

01:24:52.500 and including this one we're talking about modern civilization yes yes okay well modern being

01:24:57.140 whatever civilization whatever civilization is stationary okay yeah so that's all predicated on

01:25:03.780 physical force um somewhat but i'll say yes for now okay so men have the monopoly on this force 0.92

01:25:10.760 not anymore but they did how do we not have a monopoly on force now what happened was essentially

01:25:17.300 with the invention of modern weaponry um which became like essentially like a great equalizer

01:25:23.060 and not just modern weaponry but also the ability i guess i guess we're gonna say bombs are a type of

01:25:28.400 modern weaponry so you realize modern weaponry still requires physical strength to use yeah i don't 0.98

01:25:33.240 disagree with that but the point is um if i have a gun and you don't you're fucked yeah but what if you 0.94

01:25:39.160 have a gun and i have a gun yeah the problem is not everybody is strapped all the time yeah but it 0.98

01:25:43.840 doesn't it doesn't it doesn't matter it does 100 i can demonstrate this for you okay it does matter

01:25:50.440 because if i had a gun in this room right now it would make me basically this is our violence or

01:25:56.980 whatever um if you would be disadvantaged compared to men who had them um maybe well here's here i can

01:26:04.800 demonstrate i know you're gonna talk you're gonna talk about um recoil and stuff like that i'm just

01:26:08.860 going to talk about a basic statistic which okay so um women have their guns taken away from them 1.00

01:26:16.960 in physical altercations where they're defending themselves at like 10 times the rate that men do

01:26:22.000 okay so which means that they 10 times the rate right but let's just say it's just double or let's

01:26:29.500 just say it's just i don't know half again there's still a disadvantage to men even when it comes to

01:26:35.560 having weapons yeah there is so men still so even if you use the weapons as being a force multiplier

01:26:42.440 men would still have the advantage there is a multitude of factors that are going into

01:26:48.300 conflict like coinflating in here so right um when it comes to women getting like their weaponry taken 1.00

01:26:54.880 away from them it could be argued that like okay maybe it's because women aren't necessarily like 1.00

01:27:00.660 socialized to shoot per se because they're not as strong as men and so so i would so 0.96

01:27:06.120 so here no look i'll taught to be very nurturing that's fucking insane look i'll demonstrate it for 0.97

01:27:11.680 you really easy i think you're gonna have to concede this point if not i don't even know where 0.84

01:27:14.740 to go from there if a woman who is who is not you but has the same amount of firearms training that 1.00

01:27:19.940 you is twice as strong as you are paladins donated one hundred dollars wow what a gross 0.90

01:27:26.080 misunderstanding of history no concept at all of where our foods come from try and go kill a cow 0.56

01:27:32.480 with some stone tools princess how is that not brute force that's true well that's the part of

01:27:38.540 the force predicate but we're getting to it if a woman who was not you but had the exact same amount

01:27:43.700 of weapons training that you did was twice as strong as you would she have an advantage with weapons 0.85

01:27:48.880 over you she had more training same but she was more stronger than me she was just double your 1.00

01:27:57.300 strength but had the same amount of weapons knowledge would she have an advantage faster than 0.99

01:28:00.600 me she's just stronger i'm not sure would she have an advantage over you if she was armed and you were

01:28:08.620 not versus you were armed and she was not she was armed i'm not yes if she's armed and you're not

01:28:14.240 she would have an advantage over me and if you were armed and she was not right that advantage well

01:28:19.640 you would have the advantage from the gun right yes but she would have an advantage over you if you 1.00

01:28:24.880 were unarmed right if i was unarmed yeah so think of it this way in this situation if you had a gun and

01:28:33.680 she did not she would have more of an advantage than if she had a gun and you did not you see what i'm

01:28:39.800 saying so it would still her chances of being able to disarm you would still be better than your

01:28:44.760 chances of disarming her in the same situation the question becomes essentially who shoots faster

01:28:51.120 and more accurate well fast is a matter of strength as well guns require great hand strength you don't

01:28:57.900 believe me no it's not that i don't believe you i'll tell you what let's do this walk me through

01:29:03.980 loading a semi-automatic handgun i'm not gonna walk you through loading a semi-automatic handgun okay walk me

01:29:08.060 through loading a revolver i'm not gonna walk you through loading walk me through loading a

01:29:11.320 revolver hang on hang on i'm not gonna walk you through anything okay got it got it i'm not done

01:29:16.760 with the inquiry and then you can ask me yours here can you walk me through loading a rifle i'm not

01:29:21.640 going to talk to you have you ever even used a gun yes i've used a gun what kind um i've used a pistol

01:29:27.060 and rifle before what kind i'm not i don't remember the exact kind but that's none of this questioning

01:29:33.520 has to do with the basic of what we're trying to get oh no i think that it gets right to the

01:29:39.300 core principle of the force monopoly what you're trying to do is that you're trying to essentially

01:29:43.120 flex i have more you know knowledge on specific gunnery i don't care about that what i care about

01:29:48.280 is the force monopoly and your misunderstanding of it no because what i am trying to convey here

01:29:53.220 is very simple when we look at even like olympic style athletes olympic shooting um top of the top

01:30:00.100 they're thinking about getting rid of individual gender categories because guess what men and women

01:30:05.880 are shooting essentially almost exactly the same right that's because they're using 22s okay the

01:30:11.840 point being yeah if they were using 50 caliber bmgs you would have gender categories i promise okay

01:30:17.200 the point being is that when it comes to weaponry when it comes to the great when it comes to great

01:30:25.240 force equalizer unless if we are living in a hypothetical world where everybody is strapped

01:30:31.620 all the time which they are not the person usually even though there are exceptions there are cases you

01:30:39.120 can wrestle out the gun from the person's arm whatever like that does happen um the vast majority

01:30:44.380 of time the person who has the gun is at a ridiculous advantage and who has all the guns

01:30:50.200 um whoever like both men and women have guns right now who has the most overwhelming majority not

01:30:57.820 even close yeah okay who is it which one no you're gonna be like oh you see men have a lot of guns

01:31:04.680 so that's this is your case for force multiplication my case for force multiplication is one men can build

01:31:11.460 guns women don't seem to be very competent at building guns we've had 3d tech for an awful long time 1.00

01:31:17.260 to just build your own they don't do it i'm not even sure incapable well when you say that right

01:31:22.960 what's your demonstration that they are what that most women are capable of even building their own 1.00

01:31:28.220 gun i think because very simply put and we can we can google the instructions of like how to build

01:31:34.220 a gun um it's something that most people who have the knowledge and the schematics to do can do

01:31:40.540 it's not something that is like oh no you have to be at least six foot five to be able to build a gun

01:31:45.020 like that's not why do you think it is that women don't really ever build them i think um women are 1.00

01:31:52.000 usually trained from a young age to not really be into stuff that are violent i think that's

01:31:59.760 generally the case wait that's weird there's nations in which women have to do mandatory 1.00

01:32:03.760 military service they're still not building guns nations that have mandatory military service

01:32:08.040 there's still very specific roles that we generally push women and men to do so how do you think that

01:32:14.340 right now in modern society that men don't have the monopoly on force how do women have any sort 0.98

01:32:20.980 of comparable monopoly on force to men i i gotta know what is it the monopoly of force even if you

01:32:27.700 say like oh no men in general have more guns therefore they have more monopoly on force um

01:32:34.080 well they have the monopoly on force from physical strength yeah it's i think it's also physical

01:32:39.400 strength and the ability to produce things that are even make them even more powerful yeah i i think

01:32:44.800 even the way that you're conceptualizing monopoly of force is i don't say gross misrepresentation

01:32:52.140 but a little bit um here let's phrase it this way okay

01:32:55.960 how do you think war or oh i think i know what i'm gonna get to or whatever okay you are equating

01:33:04.760 the ability to use brute force to the ability of power or you're saying power essentially comes

01:33:10.820 from the ability of being like physically physically powerful yeah no that's where we have a

01:33:16.740 fundamentally disagreement okay so no so powerful people don't rely on enforcement powerful people

01:33:22.520 don't just rely on brute force no no that's not what i said let me finish that wasn't what i said

01:33:27.500 i know you said on enforcement and what does enforcement rely on multiple different things what one of

01:33:32.920 them one of them i'll grant you one of them is physical lol paladins donated 100 it's the same

01:33:40.740 reason there are no women navy seals it's not because their co-workers will tease because we 1.00

01:33:46.360 don't want women to be in the navy and protecting their country it's not because pixie over here 1.00

01:33:54.020 couldn't walk me through how to load a gun it's because the stigma against women in the navy is 1.00

01:33:59.320 preventing them from completing basic underwater demolition training let's focus all right i'm

01:34:04.960 focusing um one of the ways to enforce power is through brute force that is one way no all power

01:34:14.500 is going to have enforcement all yeah but there's different types of enforcement okay uh but all of

01:34:19.460 it's going to reduce to brute force no i disagree okay give me a power dynamic that's not going to

01:34:23.700 reduce to brute force um let's say you have a person a guy who doesn't want to pay child support

01:34:31.160 or whatever um you can have the state throw him into physical jail whatever um or if he's you know

01:34:39.940 doing his job he's going to work you couldn't have a social agreement with a job essentially to

01:34:46.020 garnish your wages so that is an agreement that technically there is no physical force involved oh wait

01:34:52.440 you can just that's really weird what happens if the guy who's paying him says i'm not going to do

01:34:57.100 that yeah in a theoretical world that could resolve yeah what if he says that but no no no it's not

01:35:03.200 theoretical you're you're looking don't go let me finish answering the question you're missing

01:35:08.260 let me finish answering or asking the question then he can answer it what happens in your scenario

01:35:15.480 this is your scenario guy a uh who is the payer right and he is paying x to the state says ah you

01:35:25.000 know i'm not going to give it to you change my scenario what happens to him you're changing my

01:35:29.100 scenario yeah well because wait wait wait wait wait the thing that makes your scenario work implicitly

01:35:37.220 is force no yes no yes let me finish then why would anybody pay it because maybe you know we 0.58

01:35:44.320 socially agree the payer is like wow i think it's really fucked up that guy isn't paying um his child 0.91

01:35:50.660 support you know i agree with you i'm gonna garnish his wages that's not he's not physically so

01:35:56.960 it's a social agreement so wait wait a second i agree with you that two people can make an

01:36:03.060 agreement external force however any agreement that they make if there's a violation of it it's

01:36:09.060 going to require force no matter what okay but we have clear which means everything that is the 0.89

01:36:14.200 pinnacle of what you're talking about any of the social contract bullshit you're talking about

01:36:18.200 physical contracts you're talking about any contract you're talking about if there's a violation of it

01:36:23.460 you're resorting to force yeah but what the point that i'm trying to get across is that i literally i

01:36:29.900 quite clearly listed an example where it is possible to enforce something without physical

01:36:36.320 force nope the physical force is implicit no there's no implicit thing the person doesn't have

01:36:43.400 to garnish his wages the person can be like no you know what um take him to jail instead or whatever

01:36:47.900 you could theoretically that would be force yeah no but the point is again i think you're missing

01:36:53.000 the forest no i think you're missing the forest of the trees all of that requires force no because

01:36:57.320 the point is you could theoretically have an example where none of it required for us the

01:37:02.000 person just gave me that example i literally just gave it to you and you're like no there's an

01:37:06.220 implicit because because the example here of consent of wait a second we can make a contract with each

01:37:14.080 other and as long as we both follow the contract it's not even a contract it's just an agreement it's

01:37:17.860 an agreement it's a contract no but a contract basically predisposes presupposes that there's going

01:37:23.460 to be some level of um what is it terms essentially you get this i get this and if the terms get

01:37:28.500 violated then you know then whatever happens there's force so the thing that gives that contract

01:37:33.520 validity you can have an agreement with a person yeah that you know but you basically get you what

01:37:39.260 you want without any implicit threat of course you could literally have the pagan donated 100

01:37:45.360 the point is exactly and then police would have to enforce it they would have to support if refusal

01:37:51.920 they're going to jail using force yeah the problem yeah no i get your argument i'll still manage the

01:37:57.780 argument and instead of spurging and screaming just like listen i love spurging i know and screaming

01:38:02.660 but instead of screaming like don't be the screeching feminist for a second i love screeching okay 0.98

01:38:07.820 yeah to steal to steal man lol paladin's donated 100 perfect example she can agree to buy you in and 0.96

01:38:19.060 out by making a bad bet contract true but without force she isn't ever going to actually do it i don't

01:38:25.460 think she's that's the problem with bad contracts without force right so the thing is is i'm going to

01:38:30.960 agree to this principle the agreement of the principle is that if i agree or enter into an agreement with

01:38:37.500 you of any kind any kind and i hold up my end of the agreement you hold up your end of the agreement

01:38:43.780 we can have something where there's no force but what i am going to say is that there's an implicit

01:38:49.460 underlying kind of thing here which is saying if you don't agree because otherwise why would we

01:38:57.100 need agreements or if you change the agreement there's going to be some kind of repercussion

01:39:01.840 otherwise why would you even need an agreement in the first place so if i say to you okay we're going 0.97

01:39:06.660 to take this guy's fucking money i agree with you uh i'm going to garnish his wage i'm going to give 0.96

01:39:11.460 it to you great you're right there's no force at all that's applied there but there is the threat 0.99

01:39:17.060 implicitly of force if i suddenly say i changed my fucking mind right now it's okay now there's going 0.93

01:39:25.140 to be repercussions so i still think that that's force doctrine i'm not i'm not sure you've given me an

01:39:30.140 example where it's not force doctrine do you think we can have let's say in this theoretical society or

01:39:35.560 whatever um you as an employer have either the right to agree with me or you can say oh no you

01:39:43.880 know what you're gonna have to take it up with him instead or individually through the state whatever

01:39:48.060 um as an employer i'm gonna choose to step away from this and not you know touch his wages or

01:39:54.160 whatever um such a society could exist right where an employer opts to not deal with the state in a

01:40:02.660 yeah to basically oh when it comes to like garnishing their wages you know what um instead

01:40:07.440 of me doing it instead of me do it go to the bank instead that's your you the first route yeah i guess

01:40:13.380 i guess the guy could it could exit himself from this entire situation sure yeah okay so in such a

01:40:20.020 society where that is an option there is no implicit threat of force for you not agreeing with me or

01:40:26.420 yeah for you deciding to not because there's no there hasn't been any agreement yeah no but you could

01:40:31.160 say hey so yeah i guess in a society where you make no agreements well no that's that's literally

01:40:37.820 not what i'm saying what i'm saying is that you could easily have a society where you know you 0.99

01:40:42.580 just agree with me you're like yeah that guy fucking sucks i'm gonna garnish his wages don't worry about 0.97

01:40:46.700 it um no that society would still need force yeah i'm not saying this i'm giving you an example i'm 0.99

01:40:53.340 giving you a yeah i know but even in this specific example it sure seems like the implicit threat of

01:40:58.120 force well no i'm telling you i'm telling you literally hey you know what like you we can

01:41:04.800 basically institute this rule without any force and then if you decide to step away from it i'm not

01:41:09.120 gonna put a gun in your head and say no you have to garnish your wages i have to go to the bank instead

01:41:14.000 and do an agreement with that and maybe that might involve force but the point that i'm trying to get 0.94

01:41:18.440 across is this is one example where we're able to institute a change without any force or implicit

01:41:24.660 threat of force because you don't have to say yes to me in order for you to be capable of having a

01:41:30.440 society which even exists where you're allowed to have an agreement with somebody that they can back

01:41:35.720 out of and then you have to go external you would have to have protectors of that society right 0.98

01:41:40.340 oh yeah sure and with that with those protectors be like armed military guys with vests and fucking 0.77

01:41:47.940 helmets and tanks and bombs and guns yeah wouldn't you have to have an enforcement arm that wasn't the 0.84

01:41:53.300 original like question essentially no the original thing was is that society has uh all societies

01:42:00.900 operate off of force doctrine and men have the monopoly on force and all you've done is demonstrate that

01:42:05.600 that's true the argument that you were originally presupposing or supposing whatever was that it is not

01:42:10.840 possible to basically exert power without physical force and i gave you an example yeah that's not

01:42:17.140 exerting power no yes it is getting a person's wages we just garnished there's an implicit threat

01:42:23.860 of force there no but i literally gave you an example where you were not threatened by force

01:42:30.040 how could you how could you for instance how could you lead a community an entire community of hundreds

01:42:35.900 of people absent a force doctrine how could that even be done that's not what is it that was not the

01:42:41.500 original well that's power that's exercising power okay that's not what we were originally

01:42:46.420 talk well that's basically you're extrapolating to a larger example because you can't contend with

01:42:51.340 the fact that i did give you an example where no physical force had to be involved to execute it was

01:42:56.420 implicit in the contract itself we literally disagreed that the person was not implicitly threatened

01:43:02.160 that they could say i don't want to and it would have to go to the bank or somewhere else okay person

01:43:07.220 b can back out of this entire arrangement use no force yes don't disagree however that still

01:43:13.400 leaves with person a who wants the child support person c who doesn't and that might involve

01:43:17.800 stop stop okay so person a still exists he still wants support still wants to get it from personal

01:43:24.720 c we still have force all you've done is say if you back away from making an agreement of any kind

01:43:30.220 socially with anybody you don't have to worry about force doctrine okay so what that's not an exercise

01:43:36.000 of power in fact the power dynamic here is the collector he's the guy who has the power the guy

01:43:42.240 he's trying to collect from does not have the power so guy a still has still has the power and is still

01:43:48.180 exercising force what first of all and now the example that you just gave me of guy a garnishing

01:43:54.980 the wages therefore he has a power that's also an example where it's not physical force where he's

01:43:59.880 it is it's backed with physical force using essentially money to or like the ability to like give money

01:44:05.680 to leverage his power which is another example of power not necessarily needing physical force

01:44:11.220 okay listen let's go through this scenario again guy a he's our collector right guy a is collector

01:44:18.780 guy b is our middle man you agree right our middle guy he's the guy you're collecting from

01:44:26.040 and then guy c he is our agent we're taking from okay so we'll call him well we won't call him agent

01:44:33.940 we'll call him victim okay so he's our victim okay so our collector goes to our middle man and says i want 0.95

01:44:42.280 c's money okay and b agrees he's like great i'll give you c's money i don't give a fuck right now we've 0.90

01:44:51.640 entered into an agreement now guy b says okay i don't want to do this anymore you're saying

01:44:58.080 that under the laws of the land guy b can back out of that guy a can give him no repercussions for

01:45:04.900 doing that however guy b was never the guy who had the power here to begin with he did never guy a

01:45:13.380 was the guy who was collecting from guy b guy b only had the power to ever walk away from the

01:45:20.960 arrangement but had no power over the arrangement itself guy a is still in power still has force

01:45:26.740 can still go after guy c wait that doesn't make any sense that's the only thing that makes sense

01:45:31.980 guy b obviously still has power because he obviously could garnish the wages he obviously has the

01:45:37.120 ability to monitor someone guy a here pass me on the thing absent absent guy a guy b is not 0.87

01:45:43.840 garnishing shit right guy a guy b isn't garnishing anything right okay you're saying collect your 0.84

01:45:54.320 middle man and then our victim and the middle man is the one who can garnish no no guy a is asking 0.99

01:46:02.500 middle man to garnish and you're saying the middle man doesn't really have any power right because the

01:46:06.460 collector who's approaching him he has the power in the situation because he's saying even if you

01:46:11.940 move away from this i can still just directly go after guy c guy b just because he agrees to work

01:46:18.580 with guy a doesn't actually have the power in this situation mentally disagree here because what yeah

01:46:23.940 no we do on what because the middle man has the ability to garnish or not garnish wages that is a form

01:46:31.800 of power okay but being able to execute financial control over someone is a form of power without force

01:46:38.000 this is the opposite guy b if he disagrees what happens to him nothing happens as we've established

01:46:44.320 here and so then guy a just bypasses him and goes for guy c right yeah it finds a different way so

01:46:49.960 how did guy b ever have power here because guy b can decide whether to garnish the wages and by the way

01:46:55.680 if you were let me ask you this if you're guy a right and guy b can tell you no and you can just

01:47:00.680 directly go after guy c why would you use guy b because as we've stated before there's forms of

01:47:06.860 executing power that don't include brute force so brute force might be the last option it might be

01:47:12.240 not the most reliable option um you know there's a chance that other guy might fight back that's why

01:47:17.200 we have so many forms of power in our society that don't rely on all backed on what i can't really

01:47:22.800 think money money is the biggest one money is the biggest reinforcer money is the one that is like

01:47:27.780 most easy to control and manipulate other people so utilizing incentives right i agree that you can

01:47:33.960 accumulate some kind of power which is then going to have to be have some kind of enforcement arm to

01:47:38.000 keep no matter what there's no power dynamic i can think of that's not going to require some kind of

01:47:43.580 force or enforcement even you getting divorced is going to require enforcement even you having child

01:47:50.320 custody is going to require enforcement you driving down the street requires enforcement you sleeping at

01:47:54.680 night requires enforcement everything you do has an enforcement arm behind it yeah i think what

01:48:00.700 we're or maybe our major disagreement i'm not even sure anymore but basically there are forms of

01:48:07.560 executing power that don't rely on brute force now if you don't get what you want now if you don't get

01:48:14.260 what you want you might eventually end up doing brute force but there are still ways of controlling

01:48:20.780 other people that don't involve a gun to your head i'm not saying that you can't make incentive

01:48:26.340 programs or agreements which people can follow or that people will volunteer for what i'm saying

01:48:31.740 is that there's no power dynamic that i'm aware of where force is not implicit if the contract is

01:48:37.580 broken or i can't use money or i can't get you to agree then we use force otherwise we would have no

01:48:43.380 criminal element we just bribe them out of being criminals right and you can't do that you can't

01:48:48.040 bribe everybody out of being criminals you got to still you because no matter what even in your 0.98

01:48:51.960 communist socialist utopia where uh everybody's singing fucking kumbaya and they're all you know 0.99

01:48:58.260 playing guitars around trees there's going to be some fucking element there which is going to require 0.98

01:49:02.540 enforcement no matter what yeah i think um and who are those people going to be do you think for the 0.96

01:49:08.100 most part men or women executing that enforcement yeah it's basically the people who hold weaponry so

01:49:14.480 if the vast majority oh yeah no oh it's the people who hold weaponry yes it is because as we've stated

01:49:20.500 before um for the vast majority of cases even though yes women might be more likely to get 0.99

01:49:26.640 wrestled out it doesn't matter because the vast majority of cases the person who holds a weapon

01:49:31.640 is a person with advantage so let me ask you a question let's assume for a second that you were

01:49:36.000 in charge of a prison right each one of your prison guards they have a weapon right in this case a 0.87

01:49:42.360 fucking club and some of them who sit up in the guard towers they have rifles that's true okay and what 0.99

01:49:49.260 their job is is to make sure that this collection of really really strong fucking men who are in 1.00

01:49:55.260 there for a variety of very violent crimes uh they were kept under control and guarded day and night 0.99

01:50:01.300 you could choose the most qualified uh security team possible for this the women are just as trained 1.00

01:50:11.360 as the men as prison guards right they have the exact same amount of training the same skill set

01:50:18.080 would you go with all women or all men this is okay obviously this is okay it's not an argument

01:50:25.300 no no this is no to me this is just uh what is it the deflection or i'm not sure if deflection is

01:50:32.700 the right word the point is as we've stated before when it comes to brute physical strength or even no

01:50:41.000 you said it's the weapons that matter let me let me finish even weapons that do include a greater

01:50:47.660 amount of strength they're not great yeah but no there's a huge difference between me having to sway

01:50:54.600 around like a javelin or something let's use something like that as an example versus me but it still just

01:51:01.340 requires a level of strength but being able to shoot somebody from across the room oh really so you don't

01:51:07.060 have to carry ammunition magazines tactical vests uh sidearm helmets you don't have to carry hundreds

01:51:13.900 of pounds of equipment with you while you're using these these these weapons when the bullet goes

01:51:19.420 through you the chances that's not the point oh yes it is a point because the vast majority of people 0.87

01:51:25.480 once that bullet fucking goes through you you're gonna be the point here is who's gonna be down for 0.98

01:51:30.740 the which sex is more capable of the of handling these weapons and so thus we'll always have monopoly 1.00

01:51:36.640 even with weapons when it comes to weaponry itself oh and this is another thing let me finish my turn

01:51:42.740 inside of a prison for instance you have guards who hold mini 14s okay mini 14s do require some 0.96

01:51:49.660 strength to wield accurately and you're gonna be loading up fucking magazines takes a lot of hand 0.96

01:51:55.280 strength ulysses the pagan donated 100 dollars pxie is hung upon enforcement doesn't mean exclusively 0.96

01:52:03.080 physical force if you get a speeding ticket the courts have the enforcement power to compel to pay

01:52:08.700 refusal then brings involuntary compliance that is physical force so actually that is a physical force

01:52:14.940 example if you refuse to pay we're going to use physical force to make you pay say but here what i'm

01:52:20.040 talking about inside of a prison you think that guns themselves are just up i have this light

01:52:24.680 no wait little tiny gun well then what are you trying to say no what i'm trying to say is that

01:52:29.540 for the vast majority of people um if a person is weaponless and another person has a gun specifically

01:52:36.640 a gun the person who does not have anything is at a disadvantage yes but i don't i don't even

01:52:42.800 disagree that that's true 100 dollars sorry in advance but all women understand this i'm a big strong

01:52:49.780 man i want pixie the only thing keeping you safe from me is force right sleep comfortably tonight

01:52:56.960 because force is protecting you from me okay yeah so so here's the thing i'm gonna i'm gonna give you

01:53:03.940 these two scenarios to try to take this to its logical conclusion as fast as we can

01:53:07.940 all the gun distribution in the united states right this second overnight okay disappear from

01:53:16.280 the hands of men and are redistributed to be redistributed to all women in the united states they now

01:53:22.400 have every gun inside of the united states that's what they have the men have zero guns they have none

01:53:31.100 not a single one okay and the women collectively decide we're going to enslave men 1.00

01:53:37.100 okay that's what they decide they have all the guns they should be able to enslave all the men

01:53:42.340 right um no i don't think so i think um well i don't think it's the other way around either i

01:53:49.180 think there's a triangle i'm doing the triangle there's a reason why even um what most yeah there's

01:53:55.200 a reason why even most patriarchy patriarchal societies fall down even if men do have the monopoly

01:54:00.320 of violence in those areas as well and the reason why is because the way that what what patriarchies 0.99

01:54:05.580 are falling down they're doing fine um i don't know well do you think the united states is the

01:54:11.180 same patriarchy it was 100 years ago it's never been it was a republic from the gate okay do you

01:54:16.720 think a patriarchy and republic are fundamentally opposing i thought it can be yeah but what i'm

01:54:22.240 saying is that this this wasn't set up as a traditional patriarchy this was set up as a weird

01:54:28.740 kind of bizarre protestant enlightenment experiment yeah has a patriarchy ever fallen down before

01:54:33.440 well yeah but there's only ever been patriarchy there's never been no but i'm not saying it has

01:54:40.660 to be matriarchy then i'm just saying it's so i mean if the pool is 100 and some of them fall off i 0.90

01:54:46.080 don't i don't even know how that would make your point i'm saying it goes from a full-on patriarchy

01:54:50.100 to basically a much more egalitarian society compared to before i don't know that you can even avoid

01:54:55.380 patriarchy i have fundamental disagreements that a pay that a society can even exist really

01:55:00.960 abstinent patriarchy but let's get back to this sorry no you can't i'm not gonna i'm not gonna let

01:55:05.980 you deflect why is it that the collective of all women inside of the united states if they had 1.00

01:55:11.960 firearms and decided to enslave men why is it that they couldn't i don't think either way maybe

01:55:19.900 temporarily uh but i think that would definitely men could do it no i think what again i can give you 0.99

01:55:26.360 societies right now where they've done it yeah no let me please let me finish okay i think it would

01:55:30.780 be possible temporarily to enslave maybe the other half of the population but the way that most warfare

01:55:38.040 works out is not even brute force brute strength there is i'm gonna give you an example okay um the

01:55:46.680 united states in the 60s against the vietcong the average american was a lot better nutritioned um stronger

01:55:53.500 even the scrawnier ones whatever than the average vietcong person that is incorrect i do not believe

01:56:00.480 that's incorrect not only is that up right now yeah go ahead here so the vietcong operated on a fish

01:56:07.160 rice diet they were extremely strong they were very lithe and they were able to operate for way longer

01:56:13.920 periods of time absent food than the american soldier was they were not weaklings by any metric i didn't say

01:56:21.600 they were weaklings i'm saying that yeah it did not seem like the nutritional standard was necessarily

01:56:26.540 it was better i don't know about that rice and fish are you serious rice and fish that's like the

01:56:32.720 staple for how these people live to 120 years old regardless we can use another example okay we could

01:56:38.700 say the average um american soldier versus the british army that's another example um in the 1800s like

01:56:47.780 when we were or sorry before 1800s you mean in the 1700s or the revolution 1700s yeah the british were

01:56:53.400 way way better uh they had way better nutrition men couldn't men couldn't cook yeah and we still

01:56:59.060 somehow won why because of the french yeah yeah okay yeah they've had nothing to do with no not just

01:57:06.600 that not just that but also because of the warfare that we were doing specifically and we could not just

01:57:13.260 like we lost every major battle in the war almost what do you the only reason we ended up winning is 0.93

01:57:18.840 because the british were fucking sick of sending troops all the way to fucking north america i'm that 0.98

01:57:24.240 was it it was a there wasn't a vast ocean there wouldn't be if this would be a british colony what is 0.98

01:57:30.440 i'm pretty sure there were various battles the united states won um significance battles regardless but

01:57:36.600 i'm saying that almost in almost every engagement let me finish because i know we finish but in almost

01:57:42.180 every engagement the british soldier was better trained better equipped better outfitted and had

01:57:47.060 better nutrition and they won the vast majority of the conflicts yeah i don't i'm not 100 sure if

01:57:53.720 that's true it's true um i also don't think they won basically the militia they couldn't get two 0.68

01:57:58.260 shots out of the fucking militia let me finish they couldn't get two shots out of the militia to my 0.99

01:58:02.180 understanding or to what i remember from reading in history the way that warfare was carried out 0.99

01:58:06.460 between the british and americas was something that they were not necessarily used to because

01:58:10.380 um the american people at the time used what we would essentially modern day called like guerrilla

01:58:15.340 warfare tactics that was highly ineffective no guerrilla warfare is known for being super freaking

01:58:20.600 effective it was not during that time period here's why i'll explain to you why can i just finish

01:58:25.780 talking about guerrilla warfare for one second even though in this particular case you brought up it's not

01:58:30.420 really a very good example but i'm not oh the native americans were great at guerrilla warfare too

01:58:36.820 what happened to them yeah no but it seems like in a lot of a native american side because of

01:58:41.620 disease more than anything else that's true i agree um it seems that when it comes to i don't know

01:58:47.280 about that seems can we make a committed statement yes guerrilla warfare tactics are highly effective

01:58:52.640 especially against traditional militaries for a variety of reasons the point that i'm trying to get at

01:58:57.240 is that modern warfare is not even 100 like brute physical strength even machine strength not

01:59:02.720 necessarily um which i'm sure that we could agree that the americans at least in terms of like

01:59:07.300 machinery were much better um equipped than the viet kong nope okay they were they were better they're

01:59:13.180 better equipped in some ways for they had helicopter tactics but they also had agent orange they had 0.96

01:59:17.940 they also had m16a1s that these were invented by eugene stoner and they didn't fucking work 0.95

01:59:23.820 and the viet kong and the vietnamese running around with sks's and ak-47s had advantage for 0.89

01:59:28.860 two years of the war because of that so no our weaponry was subpar uh going into the war from an

01:59:35.440 infantry standard we went from thompson's to m16s terrible idea by robert mcnamara that aside you

01:59:41.900 don't even know what i'm talking about but but but here's the thing don't let you nothing you're

01:59:45.740 going to listen for a second i am listening because you're just trying to you i'm trying to explain to 0.53

01:59:49.860 you what this you brought this up no but yeah you're not letting me finish my freaking sentence 0.59

01:59:55.000 i was gonna say well when you're done then okay say i'm done and then when i say two words don't

02:00:00.660 cut me off okay go ahead the point that i'm trying to get across is that in it seems a lot of guerrilla

02:00:07.180 warfare tactics especially when it comes like let's modern day fighting whatever whatever are highly

02:00:12.020 effective and the reason for that being is that the way that warfare seems to work or it seems to work

02:00:18.740 a lot of times is that hey if you are able to catch your enemy by surprise if you're able to use

02:00:24.620 subverted like subverted measures if you're able to basically yeah catch them off guard there is a

02:00:30.840 tactical advantage to that so when you're talking about a society that's like oh let's say all the

02:00:35.480 men now suddenly have the guns are they going to be like able to enslave women for eternity the answer

02:00:40.600 is not necessarily because there are subverted methods of fighting back that do make it impossible

02:00:47.320 for i think any one gender to have a long term forever forever for you know 100 in the future

02:00:53.700 complete control okay then we'll limit it even we'll limit it do you think that if the you the united

02:01:02.260 states all of the guns went over to the women okay and none of them no men now had guns none okay

02:01:11.780 these are just gone they wake up their entire clients all been magicked lol paladins donated

02:01:18.320 one hundred dollars i won't let you besmirch the good name of eugene stoner absolutely nothing wrong

02:01:25.260 with his rifle there was an inception the ammunition if you must much like women lubrication is key 1.00

02:01:32.220 nope that's not true lol paladins they had the wrong ammunition for the gun and it was there's a whole 0.97

02:01:37.400 whole tale of it you should you should read robert mcnamara's memoirs on it he really fucked things 0.80

02:01:43.080 up when it came to the distribution of the m16 but that that aside doesn't matter back to this the

02:01:48.700 question is all women wake up they have all the arsenal of all of the men in the united states

02:01:54.100 they're not looking to enslave them they're going to take them all out that's what they're going to do 0.99

02:01:59.520 they're going to take them all out versus the opposition of men collectively wake up one day in the

02:02:04.300 united states and they're going to take out all the women do you think that women would be able to 1.00

02:02:08.700 accomplish this i don't think either yeah no they wouldn't i think that men could accomplish it i

02:02:14.560 don't think men okay so tell me what the barrier would be if men collectively woke up tomorrow with

02:02:19.880 the weapons that they have available to them right now and decided to wipe every woman off the face of 1.00

02:02:25.520 the united states what would actually be the barrier there i think what would end up happening 0.98

02:02:32.300 like god forbid this is such a bleak scenario um you'd probably end up having a shit ton of women 1.00

02:02:39.300 doing or men whatever whichever one you want to do essentially like using guerrilla warfare tactics

02:02:45.340 to fight against the other half so whether that means making like homemade bombs whether that means 0.98

02:02:50.540 i'm not joking the fucking molotov cocktail like what do you think you don't have to laugh at me i'm 0.99

02:02:55.840 you think that women are going to be making pipe bombs in their kitchen while men are going to go 1.00

02:02:59.280 walking around taking them all out no i i think yeah i think if we're gonna if we're gonna create

02:03:04.100 an absurd scenario where half of the population wants to actively kill the other population with

02:03:09.180 guns yeah i think people are going to take extreme measures wherever they can to protect themselves

02:03:14.780 and you think against the other and so do you think that if men collectively had that will to do

02:03:20.100 that right that's all they wanted to do was just take out the other sex right would they accomplish 1.00

02:03:26.260 that feat or do you think that women would have a good fighting chance i don't know about what a good 1.00

02:03:31.400 fighting chance but i think that there is going to be a percentage well i don't think it's going to

02:03:35.780 be ever possible to completely holocaust the other gender just because in terms of don't use that word

02:03:40.040 you know you know better than that wait no i'm you know i mean you would be purposely yeah i know but

02:03:45.000 don't use the word just don't use the word use any other word but that word was it because of tol so

02:03:50.120 oh sorry yeah yeah so anyway so i understand they want to uh g word the other the other sex i

02:03:58.160 understand that you don't think that that's possible but please engage with it even engaging

02:04:02.400 hypothetically i'm saying like even in these hypotheticals um i still think because of the

02:04:07.820 number amount of women and men there are um lol paladins donated one hundred dollars yeah i know

02:04:14.280 i was just about to suppress women in a second it's exactly what did happen in afghanistan as soon 1.00

02:04:19.360 the u.s left yep took away their rights and there's nothing they can do islam is right about 1.00

02:04:24.200 women joking maybe that's absolutely what happened whenever men have collectively decided to take away

02:04:30.160 women's rights they don't have rights anymore that's it hang on hang on okay before you make the 1.00

02:04:35.000 it's because well but long term there could be social revolutions i'm gonna go ahead and agree

02:04:39.740 there could be social revolutions where you change men's mind that's why i'm asking specifically

02:04:43.960 about intent men's minds in this scenario can't be changed they have decided you need to be a

02:04:50.780 second-class citizen forever and that's all they're ever going to think forevermore what could women 1.00

02:04:56.940 physically do about that so what i wanted to bring up or what i'm going to bring up is that now these

02:05:04.180 scenarios have fundamentally changed there's a difference between i'm going to try to g-word an

02:05:08.740 entire population and i want them under my subservience either way yeah no there's

02:05:13.700 fundamental differences here i've been engaged with both i don't care it's going to be the same

02:05:17.440 answer either way no because the fundamental difference here is that when it comes to the

02:05:21.080 second one you are forcibly trying to keep women alive to have them be the second-class citizens yeah 0.99

02:05:27.620 that is the scenario where you end up with basically women potentially not always but um 0.98

02:05:36.740 poisoning the shit out of men essentially oh no finding subservient measures um not subservient 0.95

02:05:42.980 basic yeah oh no not a couple of poisoned men not just a couple i mean there's a reason why um 0.98

02:05:49.400 it's hard to figure out the amount of women who are serial killers and when we even find them the 1.00

02:05:53.640 number is like extremely high it's hard to find out the number of men too well it's a lot easier

02:05:58.220 because men tend to use i guess like the brute force tactics versus poisonings tend to be we don't know

02:06:03.480 how many men utilize poisoning just like with women we don't know that's fair but the point is

02:06:09.720 that when it comes to basically being subversive trying to fight against um systems of oppression

02:06:16.980 it doesn't always have to be done in terms of brute force there are other measures that people can take

02:06:22.960 for example poisoning which can be very effective and can go a long time without being traced to help

02:06:29.720 overtake status quos or even more explicit methods but the point is they're not up to your face like

02:06:36.220 guerrilla warfare um so if if the g word if the men decided to g word all women tomorrow what do you

02:06:43.720 and and they have the monopoly on force just in its current state okay i would actually like to know 0.97

02:06:50.040 if general daisy like john connor from the ashes rose like a fucking terminator right terminator 0.99

02:06:57.080 destroyer and she's like i'm gonna lead you to victory i'm gonna teach you how to smash those 1.00

02:07:02.360 metal motherfuckers into junk right general daisy is the leader of the female army who's gonna stop 1.00

02:07:09.580 these fucking men from g wording them what would general daisy do yeah i to be clear i don't think 1.00

02:07:17.000 in such a society women will be able to overtake and put the status quo back in order i think they 1.00

02:07:22.320 would have to live basically the rest of their lives essentially like in hiding um now let's

02:07:27.640 reverse the role yeah i think the same how we said with men yeah you think that i so here's what i

02:07:34.160 would say i would say that if all of the weapons all of the weapons including the nukes were handed

02:07:40.840 over to women tomorrow collectively inside of the united states and we had no access to any of that 1.00

02:07:46.240 immediately and women said we're taking all the men out i think we would win in three days 0.87

02:07:51.180 yeah i think that's delusional yeah okay well let me let me tell you what i would base this on

02:07:57.300 okay so day one i think that men would grab chair legs and bars and things like this and uh they would

02:08:04.240 literally just run straight force at a few women beat the tar out of them take their guns and then they 1.00

02:08:09.780 would just continue the slew and i don't think women could do much about it i don't think if women were 1.00

02:08:14.480 even going house to house they could do much about it and here's why i think that because i've seen

02:08:18.940 trained officer after trained officer right try to subdue even with lethal force with firearms

02:08:25.820 men and watch them fail time and time and time again against just average guys they're not going

02:08:32.040 up against ufc fighters they're going up against fat old dudes like me losing time and time again

02:08:38.920 how is it possible that these highly trained women who have been learning um all sorts of self-defense 1.00

02:08:48.140 subduance tactics all of this are losing to just randos no training no nothing it's the brute force

02:08:55.940 category right i think there's definitely cases where you know women lose control like we stated before 1.00

02:09:02.880 i think um there's also probably a vast more majority of cases where women are just either 0.83

02:09:09.080 shooting or incapacitating the guy or killing him so just because there's some examples of women losing 1.00

02:09:15.560 control doesn't mean again as we've stated before the vast majority the vast majority of female officers 1.00

02:09:21.960 have a hard time subduing male suspects it's not that they the point is the vast majority of women with a 0.99

02:09:29.000 gun even with like a male suspect or whatever if they use the gun the male suspect is going to be

02:09:34.500 hurt no even even in the cases where they're in for the purpose of lethal force they still often get

02:09:42.140 subdued and have their firearms taken away from them what is a exact percentage because last time you

02:09:47.340 said or maybe i misunderstood i can pull up the exact percentages but let's let's let us be highly

02:09:53.140 charitable highly charitable and just say it's a lot more a lot more could be 10

02:09:58.820 10 let's say it's probably way higher than that i don't know off the top of my head but you would

02:10:03.740 at least agree it's got to be at least 10 um just for the sake of this argument let's say 10 yeah it's

02:10:08.860 at least 10 of them uh more than the men who get subdued that's enough of an advantage i mean that's

02:10:15.380 really all you would need is 10 yeah i also now let's uh let's apply that also to the fact that most

02:10:20.960 women like you couldn't tell me the process to even load a firearm so even if their collective will 1.00

02:10:26.000 collective will was all to take out the men i don't think most of these women could even use 1.00

02:10:31.680 the guns that magically appeared for them i think um what would most likely happen is that if women 1.00

02:10:37.980 collectively decided to want to get rid of men and this is so dark i'm like i kind of don't whatever

02:10:44.080 um they would probably wait until men are most vulnerable a week which would probably ideally 0.72

02:10:50.300 be while they're sleeping um and i think they'd still lose yeah i don't think they'd still lose

02:10:57.220 but this is my point right is that even if we take what you're saying at face value and that women 1.00

02:11:02.640 could put up some kind of resistance you have to agree that men overwhelmingly in this scenario would

02:11:08.780 have a massive advantage in comparison to women in that scenario if that is the case then you are 0.96

02:11:13.780 agreeing that when it comes to force doctrine men are always going to be superior at it than women 0.99

02:11:18.360 the next thing that we just need to agree to from that what no it doesn't follow you're saying that

02:11:25.680 just because oh they might have a slight advantage at defending themselves yeah that means now men

02:11:32.140 always have the advantage um when it comes to force they always have the advantage when it comes to

02:11:37.060 force doctrine they're stronger that's all you need no no no but you're saying in terms of if i'm

02:11:41.260 talking about like again pure physical strength sure but if we're talking about using like great

02:11:46.440 equalizers yes even great equalizers we have a massive again did you see what happened with

02:11:51.400 trump as when the assassination as did you see what the women did with their guns you're trying 0.89

02:11:55.920 to use like emotional appeal um to okay but let's focus let's focus okay let's focus okay

02:12:00.740 literally even if there are is a slight advantage to be able to defend yourself if you're a man

02:12:07.500 whatever the point is for the vast majority of cases the person with the gun wins just because

02:12:14.300 you are like 10 whatever more likely to defend yourself doesn't change the fact that nine out 0.63

02:12:20.700 of ten times you're fucked okay backing up you do agree with me that you have to at least know how to 0.98

02:12:27.200 use a firearm sure but people have i mean what is it you probably will injure yourself if you don't do it 0.99

02:12:35.760 correctly but yeah like people and you agree that ammunition weighs a certain amount yeah but you

02:12:42.320 agree that guns weigh a certain amount yeah sure and you agree that you have to have some kind of

02:12:46.960 equipment that you carry with you yeah but the point being is that even with all of that um you know

02:12:54.040 this isn't like a john wick movie whatever most people when they shot they're down so even with 0.97

02:13:00.340 all those additional stuff you have to be able you have to be you're down you're fucked you have 0.96

02:13:05.460 to be capable so guns can only work one dimensionally you have to be able to point it at the target and 0.96

02:13:10.220 be competent enough with it to actually hit the target which is not as easy to do as you think

02:13:14.000 by the way and the question becomes does physical strength give you a massive advantage in that

02:13:19.400 category the answer is overwhelmingly yes it does and the thing is the proofs of this are innumerable

02:13:26.260 not just the military let's take a look at the military training standards they have to consistently

02:13:30.920 be lowered for women for everything from sharpshooting to accuracy to just basic infantry standards

02:13:37.320 there's again still a vast difference even with all of that into account with a person who's armed and a

02:13:44.460 person who's not armed at the end of the day obviously it's very different if we're equally armed

02:13:49.160 but if we're not equally armed and the other person is not armed yeah like even in the cases where you

02:13:55.240 might wrestle it out in time or whatever the vast majority of time the person with the gun just wins

02:13:59.880 so in this case when you said when you're saying force doctrine you're saying that as long as women 0.91

02:14:06.280 are armed sufficiently they can have the monopoly on force i'm saying the monopoly on force doesn't rely

02:14:12.180 on man or woman as much as it relies on who has weaponry then why is it that all of the force

02:14:21.200 jobs which exist are overwhelmingly men yeah we go back to a variety of different factors one of them

02:14:29.780 you know men might be just more inclined or wanting to do those jobs the other one being oh you know

02:14:36.700 some level of discrimination the other one being um you know yeah i guess those would be the two

02:14:43.020 biggest and you know i could take that stigma argument and i would even agree with it except for this

02:14:48.100 why do they have to keep lowering the standards in law enforcement for women and in the military for 1.00

02:14:53.580 women for physical readiness why do they have to lower the standard across the board in prisons for 1.00

02:14:58.860 female readiness why do they have to keep lowering the standards lower standard because they can't get 1.00

02:15:04.400 enough women to qualify for the regular standards that men have to adhere to if it is just a matter of 0.99

02:15:09.900 stigma yeah and what i was trying to say before is that just because an institution tries to lower the

02:15:17.120 whatever the requirements is trying to make it easier for women to be there doesn't necessarily 1.00

02:15:21.620 mean the stigma is erased right stigma does not just come from an institution's rules stigma usually

02:15:27.300 comes from the overlying societal pressure that would be proof that women could not adhere to the 1.00

02:15:32.560 same standards as men when it came to physical readiness no basically all right let me phrase it this

02:15:37.920 way if i um let's say we have a pool of women right and let's say only a minority minority of 1.00

02:15:45.660 women let's say only um 20 of women are capable of meeting those standards women um within these 20

02:15:54.280 percent um chances are 18 won't even apply um and 2 will apply and maybe from the other people who

02:16:02.860 won't even make it the other 80 let's say 5 apply okay now you have more women who are applying but 1.00

02:16:11.460 they can't meet the standards very few who apply and can meet the standards but the vast majority

02:16:16.640 of women from both of these camps are just not applying at all because hey like their family is

02:16:23.700 not very into it they're more like scared for them or their family's more like no you should focus more

02:16:29.200 on child rearing or doing this other thing it would look better for you like we would be happier if

02:16:34.120 you did that that's where you get like screwy numbers essentially i do agree the vast majority

02:16:40.020 lowering of the standards okay no i'm saying societal pressure exists let me ask you this let me ask you

02:16:44.940 this question um if there's a fire in your apartment would you prefer that a 220 pound male firefighter

02:16:52.520 came in sure i'm not disagreeing men are generally stronger hang on or would you prefer that a 220 pound

02:16:59.360 woman came in oh um to my understanding um even with the same weight it seems like men might have

02:17:07.720 um like what is that muscular yeah a huge advantage right so you still prefer that it was the man yeah

02:17:12.820 sure and would you prefer that the people who guarded you while you were asleep by that same logic

02:17:17.040 were men or women yeah if we're talking about brute force and if you're saying that your military

02:17:23.660 is the people who are guarding you while you're sleeping you would prefer them to be men then yes

02:17:27.800 um garden yeah generally speaking we're talking about brute force so then you're saying that even

02:17:34.220 in your preferences you prefer that men have the monopoly on force to even protect you in the first

02:17:38.820 place what i'm saying is that if it comes to brute force obviously i would take the person who's

02:17:43.780 stronger so which is always almost always going to be the men not on average on an overwhelming average

02:17:49.640 okay but the point that i'm trying to explain i don't want you to like underplay it and say oh it's

02:17:54.780 51 to 49 the point that i'm trying to explain here is that if i had to pick between like a 220

02:18:00.680 pound man and like a 5'5 woman with a gun i'd pick the 5'5 woman with a gun but but if you could 1.00

02:18:07.600 pick between the 5'5 woman with a gun or 5'5 uh 5'5 man with a gun which would you pick yeah sure i'll

02:18:15.140 put pick the guy with the right so so actually i have one more question so this hang on saying that

02:18:20.320 they're both exactly equal right not one is because if i'm saying that they have equal training only

02:18:25.140 okay i'm not ruling out their physiology that would defeat the purpose of the hypothetical

02:18:30.520 okay because this is another and i mean there's like a bunch of like different studies here and i

02:18:36.880 know you said oh it's because they're using the same type of rifle which i'm assuming they're using

02:18:40.260 the same type here because then what is it that's where things get more complicated because it

02:18:46.060 becomes a question of who's a more accurate and faster shooter essentially because that's so you

02:18:52.240 would prefer the woman if she's a more accurate and faster shooter okay so uh just just so that we 1.00

02:18:58.140 have that the man would still be stronger you agree with that sure the man is stronger but the woman's 0.99

02:19:03.520 more accurate and faster so you would still go with the one bovia's man's slave donated 100

02:19:09.100 dollars fixe named two philosophers not named needs derrida simone foucault marx satray engels before we

02:19:18.840 get that your free education grant asked you read that you chose to read yourself hess isn't an answer

02:19:25.820 do you have a quick response to the uh tts um i can't read all the names that he described but from

02:19:31.720 the top of my head i'm thinking um mills i'm thinking um i don't know if you mentioned that

02:19:36.080 you could even go ancient socrates aristotle if you want um of course you went for the utilitarian

02:19:42.120 first yeah one quick thing uh andrew you posed a question to pixie that i don't think received a

02:19:49.080 response and an answer the question was it was a jail scenario uh i believe where you at if it could

02:19:56.100 be all men or all women correction officers yeah i don't think we got a response on that oh yeah well

02:20:03.160 if you're in a jail and right like i would not say batons are the same equalizer as a gun is

02:20:09.500 and you don't have to use batons you can have guns no no no that so the question was if you could have

02:20:14.320 an all-female or an all-male correction staff which would you pick and i think it was same exact

02:20:21.060 training same training same weapons same weapons they could be guns if you had to pick one which

02:20:26.240 would you pick there's there's plenty of prisons that use guns as that and and they don't even use

02:20:31.400 batons hardly they use guns are they the same level of again this all goes back to me random

02:20:37.040 they're they're just random correction officers who have the same exact training same exact training

02:20:42.200 with weaponry same exact training for control okay just because you have the same exact training

02:20:48.200 doesn't necessarily mean that you're at same levels or maybe i'm here you couldn't quantify for

02:20:52.780 this for me or whatever accuracy and speed those are my number one concerns i'm going to even grant

02:20:58.700 this and say that the women inside of this correctional facility with their firearms are 1.00

02:21:03.220 more accurate than the men and slightly faster in the deployment of those firearms you would pick the

02:21:08.500 women yes and if the guys were more accurate and faster because here's the deal you can't you could 1.00

02:21:15.080 try but if you're gonna go after someone and try to take their gun and they're a faster more accurate 0.93

02:21:20.840 shooter good fucking luck you know like again just like how this is in a john wick movie the vast 0.99

02:21:27.160 vast vast vast vast majority of people once you shoot them are fucking down that's just it 0.99

02:21:31.860 so i would that's my number one concern is accurate now now let me ask you this this counter 0.99

02:21:38.580 yeah the prison the prison inmates are very upset about the fact that there's a bunch of armed 0.80

02:21:44.740 bitches running around this prison and they're like yeah you know they're uh they are more accurate 1.00

02:21:50.480 than the men right i don't know to what degree but let's just say twice as accurate and they're 0.99

02:21:56.900 slightly faster than the men and so the prisoners go yeah but we don't fucking care because they're 0.98

02:22:01.620 a bunch of women and way stronger than them would it be easier for them to overpower those women you 1.00

02:22:07.620 think than the men well the reason why i keep saying accuracy and speed is so important is because

02:22:12.420 yeah they could try well i mean how accurate do you need to be point blank with a gun not very accurate

02:22:17.560 right yeah but if they're basically my concern about speed is just like

02:22:21.940 yeah good luck wrestling the gun away if the person kills you and and you think even in that scenario

02:22:30.200 that women would have the advantage over less uh accurate and less fast shooters than women would 1.00

02:22:38.220 inside of a prison environment yes i think the number one when it comes to guns if you're

02:22:44.240 accurate fast enough nobody's gonna be how much easier would it be for um for men then to overpower

02:22:54.220 those women yeah i think it would be substantially harder because they would because they're just so 1.00

02:22:59.020 quick right yeah because they were yeah even though they're only slightly faster than the men

02:23:03.140 no you said what is it or did you say they're more way more accurate but they're only slightly quicker

02:23:07.300 okay but even if we doubled their speed do you realize do you realize um when you quantify this

02:23:15.180 that what you're talking about is reloading a magazine uh from three seconds to six seconds

02:23:20.880 that's speed right that's speed when you're talking about accuracy you're talking about the difference 0.80

02:23:26.900 between hitting here and hitting there which who cares who gives a shit who cares if i hit your button 0.96

02:23:31.460 or i hit you in the neck it doesn't matter it's irrelevant the men are clearly going to have an 0.97

02:23:36.800 advantage over the women in every aspect of this scenario whether you give them melee weapons you 0.99

02:23:42.260 give them normal guns it wouldn't matter if they were less trained than the women just the physical 1.00

02:23:46.260 strength component of it alone is going to give them an advantage over women it's again you can be 1.00

02:23:54.340 a six six buff beefcake whatever if i have a gun and i shoot you before you can reach me you're gonna 0.59

02:24:03.620 go down you know you do realize that men are less likely to go down uh than women are especially if 0.99

02:24:10.060 you shoot even if you're shooting them center mass the vast majority of people you don't need the vast

02:24:14.900 majority you only need a few okay the reason why i say the vast majority is because i'm saying like

02:24:20.740 on average even a guy like that um most people on average are not going to be able to withstand

02:24:30.900 a gunshot and keep going it's not the john wick movie now let me ask you this you can invest in two

02:24:36.900 prisons you can invest in two okay prison one they're going to hire female security or female you know uh 1.00

02:24:44.020 prison guards those female prison guards are going to fit this criteria yes they're going to be far less 1.00

02:24:48.900 strong than their male counterparts okay but they have been tested on the range and on the range we

02:24:53.780 have determined they do reload quicker and they are more accurate with shot placement than the men

02:24:59.300 and we're going to give them all guns they're going to guard the facility all right all females 1.00

02:25:03.860 another one it's all males who have slightly lesser standards like i said or even significant

02:25:08.820 they're way less accurate when they're aiming here they hit you there instead and instead of a

02:25:14.020 six second reload you know what i mean they have a 12 second reload speed okay you can invest your

02:25:20.900 life savings but only in these two options would you invest it in the female prison or the male prison

02:25:26.500 one more question i'm sorry i'm being so specific about this it sure go ahead um in the earlier one you

02:25:32.660 said oh they're less likely to respect the woman um so they're more likely to revolve is this a case

02:25:40.500 here too well no i'm only giving you these qualifiers okay and the qualifiers are they fit

02:25:47.140 it fits your criteria the all female guards who are going to be guarding the most horrific rapist 0.99

02:25:53.780 murderers and lunatics uh that you can think of but they're all going to be armed and it's going to be 0.82

02:25:59.540 the same exact weaponry that the men have in a counter prison in this hypothetical in this case the 0.85

02:26:04.500 women do reload swiftly right they can pull the trigger even faster than the men can and they're shot 1.00

02:26:10.260 placements are above par of that of their male counterparts yeah i'll go with a woman i'm 1.00

02:26:14.980 always going to put you would invest your money in the female prison yes i'm going to put my money 0.98

02:26:18.900 where whoever is more accurate and faster because good luck good luck being as buff as you want if i 0.98

02:26:25.940 get to shoot you twice or even once in most cases um before you get at me you know now do you agree that 0.93

02:26:33.460 women um for these jobs you you mentioned stigma for a job like a prison inmate would you agree that 0.79

02:26:41.060 female prison guards for the same work probably make a slightly lesser wage um probably i don't know 1.00

02:26:47.220 yeah probably so then how come somebody doesn't just make an all-female prison with these categories 1.00

02:26:52.260 where they could pay these women way less wage well i think um what we were probably describing before

02:26:59.380 um i think maybe i'm wrong but to my understanding like they usually don't want people to result into

02:27:09.220 lethal force right we're talking about like in the examples you gave me at least my understanding

02:27:13.940 what do you mean there's prisons all over the world where they only use guns yeah we're talking

02:27:18.500 about the united states but even yeah i thought even in the united states there are maximum security

02:27:22.740 prisons where there's guys on the walls with guns yeah okay let me phrase it this way

02:27:26.180 when you gave me the original scenario what i'm thinking is okay like let's inmates are trying to

02:27:32.820 escape whatever whatever they would be trying to escape in these scenarios too sure yeah okay um in real

02:27:40.420 life usually you well first of all usually i would say probably more men are applying um i don't think

02:27:50.980 women are very interested in being female guards yeah sure they're not interested that's why they're 1.00

02:27:55.380 selecting they're selecting from this group right yeah yeah i'm saying like you're asking me why don't

02:27:59.860 why doesn't this play out in real life and i'm saying like okay well in real life here's a couple of

02:28:03.700 things there's not any women interested bovia's manslave donated 100 answer what is an r have you ever

02:28:12.100 shot what is the deadliest gun available i trained with a judo olympian who refused to train with men

02:28:19.300 no lethal force have you trained are you more educated on it um anyways i'm not trained we've

02:28:27.700 established that i'm not shooting people regardless back to the original question that you're saying

02:28:33.540 about the guards why doesn't this happen in real life okay well not as many women are interested 1.00

02:28:37.940 um that's yeah i know but we're selecting from a pool who are interested yeah i'm saying you could

02:28:44.180 definitely staff a prison with the selection of what is interested that definitely fits the

02:28:50.100 criteria that you put from the quick yeah why couldn't you i because i don't think why couldn't

02:28:54.340 you go why couldn't you go all around the united states to select for these guards right and say okay

02:28:59.620 we want to we'll pay you to a big bonus to come relocate over here and you can have be in this

02:29:04.420 all-female prison just just trying to go on that massive hunt across the united states prisons to 1.00

02:29:12.260 find the women who are the top caliber um of shooting and accuracy seems like a brilliant financial move 1.00

02:29:19.140 no it seems awful financially why because just the start-up cost alone that's what all companies do

02:29:25.140 this all companies scour the world for talent google scours the world for talent okay yeah google why

02:29:30.820 wouldn't a prison system a multi-billion dollar company is very different than your local prison

02:29:37.460 system who's also trying to just probably if i could staff tomorrow and also an all-female force 1.00

02:29:44.900 right that i knew for sure i could pay less money than the male counterparts in a similar business 0.96

02:29:50.180 around me i'd be raking it the fuck in what are you talking about i first of all i don't think it 0.82

02:29:55.220 would be substantially enough the level that you'd be paying them less would be enough to overset the 0.97

02:30:02.100 onset startup cost of finding these the highest cost in a business is payroll yeah yeah there's

02:30:08.980 startup costs you know like i started like yeah that's what investors are for they're looking at

02:30:12.900 the long game 25 years they're not going to get a dime back for 25 years what do you mean yeah and

02:30:16.740 these people also it would not just be a one-time startup cost because women would obviously leave and 1.00

02:30:22.500 you're trying to find not just any woman you're trying to find the top top top caliber woman 0.63

02:30:27.860 not the top top top all we're trying to do is find women who generally right can reload their weapons 1.00

02:30:36.340 faster and do better shot placement than the women or than the men there's got to be millions of those 0.92

02:30:41.620 yeah no well here first of all i don't know how many of those are prison guards first of all as we've

02:30:48.100 established before i said oh the number is probably like pretty low oh there's tons of female prisons 1.00

02:30:53.140 worldwide tons yeah but how many prison female guards well i mean how many would you need let's 1.00

02:30:58.260 say you needed a hundred he couldn't find a hundred yeah i think you would have to literally again as i

02:31:04.420 stated before spend a shit ton of money scouring for talent you have to do that if it's all men

02:31:10.420 what you know i don't think most pure prisons are looking for top caliber men to be prison guards

02:31:16.900 what are they looking for they're looking for people who meet the basic requirements which is that 0.54

02:31:22.260 um they're fucking strong right that they can yeah that they can that they can manhandle inmates and

02:31:26.820 that they can deal with the rigors of a prison in your case you would staff your entire prison with 0.96

02:31:32.500 women even if we gave them these characteristics it seems like you're just trying to avoid the idea that 1.00

02:31:37.540 even if you could find them with these characteristics and bring them in right and pay them less money why

02:31:42.900 how would that be a bad financial decision you've already invested your life savings in such a prison

02:31:47.940 no because the reason why is because i'm telling you the startup cost alone of finding those women 1.00

02:31:53.220 um and you're saying like this would have to be like a continuous thing so you know people would

02:31:57.300 be dropping out coming back no every business ever yeah i i don't think what is i don't think in general

02:32:03.380 unless if you're a multi-billion dollar company like google um you should be spending a significant

02:32:09.780 amount of your resources scouring for like the number one talent let's say if you can get it you could

02:32:14.260 get state funding it's going to be a small prison it only requires 10 mail guards on staff day and night

02:32:20.180 so you're rotating just 20 people that's it okay but the state is they want you to house the

02:32:26.020 worst of the worst so they're giving you a larger stipend than they are anywhere else yeah if that is the case and 0.99

02:32:31.140 you could cut down in your private prison the payroll cost you can't revolve 20 fucking women 1.00

02:32:35.940 i think what is it when you're you're acting as first of all the pay gap is so like exponentially 0.98

02:32:43.940 huge which i don't necessarily think is the case i think there might be a pay gap i don't think it's

02:32:48.260 necessarily this idea of you're not going into it because of the stigma also is reduced immediately

02:32:53.940 no it's reduced a pool of a possible applicant so start there not much if it's just a tiny pay gap

02:33:00.740 right because there's a difference as i've stated before between um let's say an institutional stigma

02:33:06.740 versus a social stigma so you can have a job that still pays pretty well it doesn't necessarily take

02:33:13.380 away the social stigma of being part of that job yeah so like oh let's use garbage people yeah i just 0.72

02:33:19.140 want to i just want to make sure uh yeah let's okay let's use garbage people yeah so when it comes to 0.97

02:33:24.820 like garbage let's say specifically like garbage men in um new york they get paid really well they 0.88

02:33:31.220 get paid like back but i would say that in our society we don't really value people who pick up

02:33:38.420 garbage i don't think that should be the case i think those people are very necessary and viable 0.96

02:33:42.820 for our society to survive are there a bunch of female garbage men um i don't think it matters the 1.00

02:33:47.620 point that i'm trying to get across here okay is that it's a clear example of something that can pay very 0.98

02:33:53.540 well but still has a social stigma attached to it okay but wouldn't that be a social stigma for men

02:33:59.940 and women yeah but it doesn't matter because what i'm trying to get across here is that you're saying

02:34:05.380 oh look at this example like you see they're paying yeah i'm not really sure that there's a huge social

02:34:09.620 stigma against garbage men honestly i think um i really don't think so i don't think anybody's like oh

02:34:16.020 you're dead you're dead yeah i don't think so i don't think so i don't know i think i don't think 0.98

02:34:21.140 there's a big social stigma i think there's usually i think i think that women aren't garbage 1.00

02:34:25.300 men because um they don't want to fucking do that job and uh it's physically laborious and women don't 1.00

02:34:30.100 want to do most people don't want to uh you know the most people don't want to do physically laborious 0.99

02:34:35.220 jobs i think you're gonna have to back that up because as it as it turns out men when they're

02:34:40.740 pulled on this actually do enjoy physically laborious jobs and that's why they gravitate towards

02:34:45.460 them the idea that kind of the socialists like you on the left say ah nobody wants to do a

02:34:50.260 physically intensive job actually there's quite a few people who only want to do physically intensive

02:34:54.900 jobs they get bored at a desk they don't like working inside any number of different reasons

02:34:59.700 is that our society and hopefully we can just agree on this doesn't really value physical labor

02:35:07.860 maybe as much as it should yeah i think i think it does i think maybe women don't i don't think maybe

02:35:13.620 women don't value it because they don't do any of those jobs so they don't know how valuable they 1.00

02:35:17.620 are i think if that was the case you would see um a return to the trades which we're seeing

02:35:23.140 overwhelmingly yeah that you would see tons of men gravitating towards more of the trades job which

02:35:27.700 they're now doing overwhelmingly i first of all i don't know about the word overwhelmingly second of

02:35:33.540 all um i think you would see like basically their pay to be that or equal that of like ceos essentially

02:35:41.300 or scientists or doctors or lawyers yeah electricians are making pretty close to what

02:35:46.980 scientists are making yeah i don't think that's true it is true in fact if you look at nurses nurses

02:35:53.300 often will make pretty close to what like a social scientist might make or close to what a university

02:35:58.580 scientist might even make they may not continue to make something similar master electricians they

02:36:03.220 make often what nurses what is it yeah i know that there's certain physical labor jobs that are

02:36:08.020 getting paid very well right trade jobs yeah trade jobs all trade jobs i don't know about all trade

02:36:12.660 jobs but even if i grant that two things again um there is still a stigma that is hopefully changing

02:36:19.460 the stigma is still kind of there from who second of all from men um not from both men and women

02:36:25.460 honestly i don't think there's a big stigma towards the trades from men i think since men are the ones

02:36:30.420 who are doing all the trades i think this is a class thing honestly um i think it is like a class

02:36:35.380 sort of thing not even like men or what men versus women i think there is some level of upper society

02:36:40.980 that views getting your hands dirty as a dirty thing i think that women will often consider 1.00

02:36:45.860 themselves in prestigious jobs that aren't particularly prestigious and will often i think

02:36:50.180 the stigma towards the trades comes from females who look down on the trades not because i don't 1.00

02:36:55.860 think men are looking down on the trades and other yeah i i don't know like i feel like you keep

02:37:01.620 making this a men and women thing and i just think honestly it is a class-based thing i also think um

02:37:06.420 across but you said that women are moving towards prestigious jobs yeah i think both men so isn't that

02:37:11.700 boosting them up in the class in their own mind um class dynamics are very complicated you say that a

02:37:21.460 lot you say it's complicated dynamic it's multifaceted but no yeah yeah i think society is

02:37:27.300 complicated but i think most ideas can be reduced to singular core principles or singular core things

02:37:33.620 which the idea expands from and what i think happens here a lot is you say it's complex it's

02:37:39.060 multifaceted there's a lot of factors here as a motive of obfuscation ultimately i think you don't

02:37:46.500 want to answer so like for instance when you say i would invest my life savings in that female 1.00

02:37:52.420 person hang on if i yeah that was the question okay i said between these two prisons would you

02:37:57.380 invest your life savings in this one or that one if you only have the choice between the two

02:38:01.060 you say the woman's prison i actually don't believe you i literally don't believe you it's not

02:38:08.500 believable to me that you would say that you don't have to believe me um from my perspective

02:38:14.660 point of view when it comes to that example i specifically specified to me it depends on speed

02:38:20.180 and accuracy yeah going back to the trade jobs i also think um when we look globally yeah most people

02:38:30.740 in let's say like let's use china for example who are working hard labor jobs are not getting paid

02:38:36.900 very well um most people globally who are doing hard what is it labor jobs are not getting paid very well

02:38:45.140 um i think part of the reason why these jobs are have historically not anymore hopefully it's changing

02:38:52.660 for the better i agree that they should be more respect labor's labor um call me a socialist hippie i don't

02:38:58.100 care um part of the reason for this is because for a long time it was seen as something that anybody can

02:39:05.060 learn anybody can learn a trade if they really want to whatever um now we've moved so much to a

02:39:12.980 service society that not as many people are learning how to do that labor so that creates a higher demand

02:39:19.220 for that labor because there's not as much people who are willing to supply that because they can't

02:39:24.740 but i still don't think the stigma has completely reversed or changed i think that there are more

02:39:29.060 people talking about how those jobs should be valued which i agree with um but i still think that

02:39:34.100 the vast majority of people are told you go to college go to college go to college go to college

02:39:39.780 but i mean that's being pushed towards women the female dynamic i i think what is it a lot of men

02:39:44.980 most most women are it's if you look at the vast majority of college graduates it's women right yeah 1.00

02:39:50.180 so the reason for this is because women are the ones who are being appealed to to go to college men are

02:39:57.220 often appealed to to go into the trades this is why this is further evidence by the way that kind

02:40:01.780 of this social stigma that you're talking about is coming down from women not coming down from men

02:40:06.740 men are being encouraged to go into trades women are the ones who are being encouraged to go to 0.96

02:40:11.380 college and waste their fucking time getting a degree in basket weaving i promise you that there is no son 0.98

02:40:18.500 of any ceo or any super high paying person in power who's telling their son like oh go do a trade 0.99

02:40:27.940 instead they're being taught to essentially take over the family business

02:40:32.900 ulysses the pagan donated one hundred dollars prisons have had multiple prison riots over the

02:40:38.980 decades many cases the all-male correctional officers were overwhelmed local state enforcement

02:40:44.900 and military were brought in women would fare better under her logic they would yeah no i think 1.00

02:40:51.460 again as i stated before we were talking about like top echelon of people i don't think the average

02:40:57.460 all-woman prison facility no that wasn't the criteria that yeah that's why specifically no your criteria

02:41:03.140 was two things what was the criteria it was speed and accuracy that's not the highest echelon of women 1.00

02:41:08.740 okay all they would need to do is have an advantage over the men in this criteria i don't think the average

02:41:13.540 i don't think the average prison guard woman is more faster more accurate than that i don't think that 0.82

02:41:20.420 that that would be the deciding requirement on being able to run a prison nor quell any prison

02:41:25.620 riots would that be that they were they reloaded faster and shot you here instead of there i don't

02:41:32.020 think that those are significant markers i think the reason why the significant marker i think is

02:41:36.900 physical strength the reason why i bring up speed is not just reloading speed it's shooting you speed

02:41:43.700 it's me pulling the gun or sorry the trigger fast enough before you get to me yeah i get it okay yeah

02:41:51.060 i still think that physical strength is going to be the dominant power here and the reason that

02:41:55.460 physical strength is going to be the dominant power is because even if you have a gun if four guys are

02:42:00.500 coming at you even if you're really quick wyatt erp okay they can over-fucking-whelm you very 0.83

02:42:05.460 quickly men fare very very good in those scenarios women very bad and you also have an additional 0.97

02:42:11.940 incentive which is that a lot of those prison uh prisoners in this prison you would invest in

02:42:17.060 would want to do what thing to all those female prison guards that's why when we brought up the 1.00

02:42:22.740 example again i specifically asked you is it still the case or is it the case that the women are seen 0.90

02:42:28.740 as like catty bitches essentially yeah and what i granted to you was i'm only giving you the two 1.00

02:42:34.020 qualifiers ladies looking for a career change are you fast and accurate with a pew pew i'm pixie and 0.95

02:42:42.340 join me and my new business venture in alternative correctional facilities only prisoners show us what

02:42:49.060 you got so i granted i granted everything you said that there was just these two criteria so i gave you

02:42:55.620 only the two criteria that's why i'm confused when you ask for that's why that's why stop stop let me

02:43:00.260 finish asking me for additional qualifiers has nothing to do with anything we're saying that

02:43:05.620 they're going to be still females they're just going to fit the two qualifiers that you have 0.99

02:43:10.660 yeah that's why i'm confused when the person said the comment and then you were like oh what else do

02:43:15.540 men want to do with women because in the example that we were talking about you specifically stated no 0.89

02:43:20.500 like the only thing that matters here like there's no additional factor no no no maybe i misunderstood

02:43:25.380 what this is these are still females everything else is equal between how females would be treated 1.00

02:43:30.900 in prison and how men are treated so they don't minus these two criteria i was very clear and specific

02:43:36.500 about that pixie isn't taking force escalation into account men will be better equipped to prevent 1.00

02:43:42.580 escalation into a shooting because they have more tools in the toolbox female cops tend to go straight to 1.00

02:43:49.460 a gun yeah but we can just grant it because when we grant it and we show that she's only compensated

02:43:55.780 for these two things which is speed and accuracy we left everything else equal yeah i gave it all to

02:44:02.340 you that's why and so what you say instead is okay so even knowing that it's equal that it meaning

02:44:08.660 every other criteria of a woman would still exist which is what i put in the hypothetical you still 1.00

02:44:13.220 would have invested your life savings in this female prison because of only these two criteria 1.00

02:44:17.860 i specifically asked you if it was the case that oh you know the men the prison men whatever didn't 0.98

02:44:26.020 respect the woman or viewed them as catty bitches and you said they're treated the same as the guys 1.00

02:44:31.140 i'm granting you that they're like equal in all those senses except the speed and accuracy no they're 0.93

02:44:35.300 equal in all of their training okay so it's not the case to clarify that the prison the inmates

02:44:43.940 respect the woman the same way they respect the man you're saying that's not the case i'm i'm

02:44:47.380 just only granting you these two things which is you want speed and accuracy so you're saying and

02:44:54.580 you would invest your life savings based on those two criteria because earlier you said everything

02:44:59.460 is no i'm not office i feel like you're no i feel do we need to play it back again do i do you need to

02:45:05.380 dinner tomorrow too you're literally jumping back and forth i'm trying to ask a clarifying question and

02:45:10.900 then you're i don't know how else i can clarify this all other criteria are completely equal to how it

02:45:16.740 would be viewed in modernity minus two attributes stop minus two attributes the two that you demanded

02:45:23.220 if you're saying all criteria is equal then you're also saying the way that the inmates are treating

02:45:28.980 the one that's why you got to talk less you got to talk less and you're not to say all criteria

02:45:33.700 i said stop pixie i said all criteria are equal as to that in general society you only heard part

02:45:41.220 because you can't shut up long enough to listen when you stop talking stop let me finish all 0.68

02:45:47.700 everything is equal to how it would be in general society with men and women minus however they're

02:45:53.620 viewed right by anybody at any time in any given arena it's equal to that now minus these two attributes

02:46:00.900 that's it okay i was very clear about that and you're just kind of wanting to change the scenario

02:46:07.140 now i'm not i'm trying to understand what your scenario exactly is so it's just too complex because

02:46:12.660 you're using how many how many attributes do we have your wordplay is literally how many attributes

02:46:18.100 do we have that we're looking at we're saying that there's two so you're saying all else is equal

02:46:22.980 yes or no no well no when i say all else is equal to what all else is equal to those two attributes

02:46:28.500 to general society to general society okay you did not say yes general society we're only looking at

02:46:34.020 two attributes you're saying you're saying you're granting me everything except no two attributes

02:46:40.500 that were changing and now you're going back and saying no no no no general society i'm granting you

02:46:46.580 that there's the same women they're the same everything people they're only distinction back 0.99

02:46:51.380 and forth and i have said these two attributes 50 times these are the only differences yes can you

02:46:57.540 understand how it might be confusing no say these are the only two differences and yeah the only two

02:47:03.300 differences when i ask you for clarification if men and women are being treated equally you're

02:47:08.420 saying oh no the only two differences are the accuracy your your clarification came post question

02:47:14.180 that's one and two here's the thing i you are already answered it before you asked for the clarifier

02:47:20.020 no you already answered it that's why i asked for the clarifier so let's do it so let's do it again

02:47:24.420 let's do it again these are the two attributes that you want to see those are the only two that matter

02:47:30.340 too pixie yes or no because you said yes i said if we're saying if everything else is equal if men

02:47:38.100 and women are being viewed equally the same treated equally and same and the only difference is that

02:47:44.580 the women are faster and more accurate then that's a different answer versus oh no the men and women are 1.00

02:47:51.460 are still viewed differently they're viewing the women so all of the men inside of this prison 0.98

02:47:56.420 right yes they want to kill all of the men and they want to kill all the women doesn't matter who's 1.00

02:48:02.580 guarding them they want to kill them and get out okay doesn't matter both sides okay okay there we got 1.00

02:48:09.380 that clear okay repeat it back to me you're saying the prisoners in either scenario want to just kill 0.95

02:48:15.700 and get away they want to kill them and they want to get away that's all they want to do they're going to plot it

02:48:20.180 they're going to do whatever they need to do to do that okay the two attributes we have the two

02:48:26.260 attributes the women have an edge on those attributes okay okay one of them they're much 1.00

02:48:31.620 better their shot placement is not here right it's it's much much more centered okay and the men are

02:48:38.180 kind of hitting all over the place in inside inside of something like this now they still hit but they're

02:48:43.220 hitting all over group their group is much wider okay however these women are much quicker 1.00

02:48:50.100 and they are much more accurate we have the two attributes we know now what the prisoners view

02:48:54.340 them as you have everything which prison you invest in your life savings in if you had to invest it in

02:48:59.140 one no i have an additional question i just thought of course you know i'm not this is not me to be

02:49:03.860 bad this is total okay it's not okay no fine go ahead what is it what's the question okay they're

02:49:10.020 usually linked but not always um stamina uh-huh is do are the men do the men have more stamina or do

02:49:18.820 the woman what's meant by stamina um if after shooting five times or whatever it's harder for 1.00

02:49:27.860 the women to keep they're basically the accuracy accuracy as it as it turns out they're still women 1.00

02:49:33.620 yes they are still women so they have the same on average stamina that a normal prison guard woman 1.00

02:49:39.620 would have but they do they are indeed faster with their guns they do indeed have better shot placement

02:49:45.300 with their guns but they are still women unfortunately in this scenario and yes the the prisoners want to 1.00

02:49:51.140 escape right they just want to get rid of these guards and go okay that's what you know

02:49:58.020 okay before you're investing which prison are you investing in okay now this becomes a math problem

02:50:05.380 um my first instinct is still accuracy and speed but if you're saying their stamina is significantly

02:50:12.660 lower than the men then now i'm leaning more towards the men just because it would be really

02:50:17.940 bad of the scenario well the scenario would eventually become their stamina would affect their speed and

02:50:21.940 accuracy essentially because it's hard to do the same action over and over again if you're losing

02:50:26.900 stamina essentially so if they had similar levels of stamina obviously as i thought the original

02:50:32.660 question was only speed and accuracy were changed um then speed and accuracy would still win but if

02:50:37.700 you're telling me the stamina is significantly lower than the person who has their women no they're 1.00

02:50:43.140 women there but wait i thought as long as the women could shoot better and were faster that's what you 1.00

02:50:50.020 really cared about because all that matters is when the bullet hits yes they're down yes then then why

02:50:54.740 so because are we going to go ahead and invest in the woman's savings or not the reason why i bring

02:51:01.220 up stamina now or the reason why it's as important is because if you have i thought all it was important

02:51:07.860 is that the bullet hit them um yes that is the most important part but speed and accuracy yes but here's

02:51:16.020 the deal here's here's the only scenario where that would change okay if you have one two three four

02:51:21.540 or five let's pretend this is ten men this is not ten men okay let's pretend let's say you have ten men

02:51:25.540 we got ten men yes um and you have the person shooting right uh-huh but let's say after the 0.98

02:51:32.180 fourth man they're too tired to continue shooting uh-huh then they're fucked basically essentially so 0.96

02:51:38.340 which one are we investing in um so if you're telling me the men are less accurate and less fast but 0.87

02:51:43.700 their stamina could take over all the other guys i didn't say that i said that these are just going to

02:51:49.380 have the normal stamina of a female prison guard normal stamina of a male prison guard okay um

02:51:56.580 yeah i don't know like i'm gonna assume that the normal stamina of the guy is more than the

02:52:02.980 normal stamina it seems like a safe assumption okay then i would say the guy um which prison are you

02:52:09.060 investing in the male one the male one okay if the stamina is that much significantly more important

02:52:15.940 so then so then men are even if the women are more accurate and can shoot better you still would 1.00

02:52:22.740 invest in the male prison because there's still going to be better prison guards overall um the 0.99

02:52:28.100 only problem i can see is it doesn't matter how much stamina you have if your accuracy is shit oh yeah 0.99

02:52:35.380 so which one well no it's a fucking math problem that's the problem that's where you have put me at i 0.98

02:52:39.700 would literally have to like sit down i'm not even joking i would have to sit down i would have to look at 0.96

02:52:44.420 the average stamina i would have to look at like the the prison inmates themselves essentially and i

02:52:49.460 didn't literally have to figure out okay that's fair what would your intuition tell you right now

02:52:53.220 based on the information you have my intuition would say that hey if their stamina and they're

02:52:58.980 let's say fairly competent or whatever then i would go with the guys because they have more stamina 0.98

02:53:04.660 but again if in this scenario they have stamina but their accuracy is shit then i would go with a woman 1.00

02:53:11.220 because if your accuracy is it doesn't matter if you have a lot of stamina somebody gets so here's 0.98

02:53:16.100 the knowledge that you have these are women these are men you can make whatever assumptions you want

02:53:21.460 from there but you do know for sure that the women can shoot better and they have much tighter groups 1.00

02:53:28.340 they're faster and they can shoot with more accuracy you can put your life savings in one which

02:53:33.940 one would you put it in okay um i'm going back and forth i would it's a math problem i would say

02:53:41.300 right now i'm going with stamina as the number one thing because it doesn't matter how accurate and

02:53:45.300 fast you are so we're going with the men okay sure yeah is that right for now yeah okay so you think

02:53:50.740 that men even if women can shoot better and are faster still would have an advantage 1.00

02:53:57.060 what do you mean okay you're saying oh with the what is it female prison guards or whatever 1.00

02:54:07.140 yes they would have an advantage even then if okay are you talking about sorry male guard versus

02:54:14.660 woman guard are you talking about male prison i'm talking about in okay so we're not going to 0.96

02:54:19.860 obfuscate anymore i don't know if you need to take an adderall pill but i've been super clear so

02:54:24.100 we have two attributes right one and two are our attributes okay we know only that you have males 0.88

02:54:31.940 in one prison who are going to guard it and females in the other prison who are going to guard it 1.00

02:54:36.740 okay but you do only know that these two attributes one and two those two attributes for the women are 1.00

02:54:43.700 going to be superior than that of the men in some cases significantly superior okay in the case of

02:54:49.780 speed it's going to be significant significant difference last question what's the ratio of

02:54:54.580 prison guard to person i do have to move this on soon so whatever the average is let's say six to

02:55:00.420 one ah then yeah accuracy and speed accuracy and speed now let's say it's 20 to one

02:55:06.340 stamina okay now let's say it's 100 to one um stamina stamina again yes okay so if you had

02:55:14.740 a hundred to one ratio of prison guard to prisoner or 50 to two to one you would still take them in

02:55:20.420 if this yeah stamina even though we've created now many many more targets right so i guess speed

02:55:26.180 i guess speed and accuracy is not our most important attribute but strength also it becomes

02:55:31.460 yeah like it becomes a basically essentially like math problem like if we're just doing um one to one

02:55:37.140 essentially so your intuition though says you would invest in the male prison right if the population is

02:55:42.980 large enough then yeah okay yeah so i mean when it comes to force doctrine even if we take your two

02:55:49.060 criteria on for guns turns out ah not really the truth that that's your real criteria on here for

02:55:55.780 force doctrine is it because no i'm sorry i do have to move it on a little bit we have been on the topic

02:56:01.460 for a long time we do have a super chat here from paul jame omg i'm losing brain cells listening to her

02:56:06.820 argument something that goes around and around like a merry-go-round dumb down your ego stop arguing it makes no

02:56:11.940 sense always trying to one an escape stop talking king and listen okay thank you paul jame appreciate 0.66

02:56:19.620 your super chat now i did have a question for you uh pixie so uh you're a feminist you believe in 1.00

02:56:27.220 equality what are your thoughts on the buying the in and out later what are your thoughts on the buying

02:56:31.940 what are your thoughts on that i mean are you gonna are you gonna hold your bet i can actually also we

02:56:37.300 can give you an out here for the rest of the show we have an in and out hat you don't have to buy us

02:56:41.940 in and out if you wear the hat for the rest of the show that seems fair is that is that a fair compromise

02:56:48.100 i don't think i owe the in and out um i kind of do want to see the hat though there's also a uh i think 0.91

02:56:54.900 there's a doesn't owe the in and out what's there's a definitely owe the idiot there's the in and out 0.92

02:57:01.220 you definitely owe it i'm sorry you guys did make a bet didn't you for totally and i won physical 0.97

02:57:06.420 application and i was literally physical application and you want to grab that physical

02:57:11.060 engineering you said physical application you want to grab that in and out i think you would look good

02:57:14.820 honestly in the in and out i'm down you want to just grab it really quick it's it's uh right next to

02:57:20.420 the fedora so it's like white it's just white paper you'll see it it's right by the game boys

02:57:25.620 no yeah that one right there perfect boom i'll do it for the memes for the memes you don't have to

02:57:33.700 wait i mean you don't have to wear for the whole show but the in and out of prison boom that ready

02:57:38.740 for duty look at your future pixie looks good all right uh it kind of matches i look like a sailor a

02:57:46.660 little bit right that's a good look it's a good look um so really quick so currently the state of

02:57:51.940 affairs when it comes to the selective service system the draft uh men are required to register

02:57:57.140 for the selective service women are not what are your thoughts on this that's up i don't think men

02:58:01.620 should be required to be drafted well assuming in a country where the draft would not be able to

02:58:06.500 be legislated away the government will never relinquish relinquish excuse me it's right to

02:58:12.980 draft from its citizenry do you think then that women should also be drafted um yes but and would 1.00

02:58:20.420 that be equality and equity um i guess i'm indifferent honestly i think um what is it i don't think

02:58:29.940 anybody should be drafted um i know you're saying in a system where you have to either pick one or the

02:58:34.820 other and then the other option is essentially gone then yeah i'd rather have both men and women have

02:58:39.780 essentially like equal suffering in that respect i guess i don't know

02:58:44.260 would you assume that in such a system where a draft was there that men would still be deployed

02:58:53.860 into combat situations far more than women would even if women were to get drafted um

02:59:01.060 probably because what is it i don't know because if you're saying in such a society or whatever we

02:59:07.620 would assume like this one if we had a draft tomorrow where then yeah i think men would

02:59:12.740 probably be picked more i think um part of an example of how like people think that

02:59:18.740 the patriarchy doesn't negatively affect men and i think it does in certain ways and i think this is

02:59:23.700 like one of the ways where um men are expected and essentially like burdened to have um

02:59:29.780 um or have like these like basically expectations of having to protect always um even in the detriment

02:59:37.540 of their own life and i don't think it's fair for the government to be able to dictate that

02:59:43.380 in such a way so i mean aren't men going to make better soldiers um to me it's not a question about

02:59:49.300 whether men make better soldiers or not to me it's a question about should the government have a right

02:59:54.420 to put your life on the line we're assuming they have the right yeah like friend for instance you

02:59:58.420 don't really believe that like the united states was attacked right you don't think that the

03:00:02.980 government shouldn't be able to draft its citizens to repel attack i don't i don't think um what is

03:00:08.260 it i think it has to be then how do you have a nation volunteer basis like essentially yeah but

03:00:12.820 if you don't have enough volunteers and your country's being attacked you think that your

03:00:16.340 country doesn't deserve to survive if not enough people are willing to take up arms against a foreign 1.00

03:00:21.060 predator yeah but i mean you do realize that if you were to take volunteer service for instance if you

03:00:28.100 if you have a draft you can recall people who have been in the armed forces who have some training

03:00:35.140 that you can immediately deploy versus brand new fresh-faced people who then you have to train

03:00:41.300 i guess let me rephrase it what i'm assuming we're talking about here is a mandatory draft so it's

03:00:47.620 i pick you you have to go and if not the government will yeah that's true but that would also include

03:00:52.660 as a subset people have former military training yeah i think um we should differentiate i think if

03:00:58.420 those if the former military yeah but it's an entailment you can't differentiate and it's

03:01:03.140 if those people want to go and fight for the country great awesome i don't think you should force

03:01:07.780 those people yeah that's great but that's not the question the question is not whether or not you

03:01:11.460 think that that should happen the question is if you have a draft the entailment of having a draft is

03:01:18.100 that people who have formerly served are going to get drafted okay how is that a question okay

03:01:24.580 that's an entailment i need you to agree that that's an entailment of that because earlier you

03:01:28.660 were saying that it wasn't so i just want to make sure it is what do you mean by entailment please

03:01:32.260 clarify it means that if you're drafting everybody yeah then the pool of people who have formerly served

03:01:38.660 will also get drafted okay that's not a question no i it's an entailment so i just asked you to

03:01:44.980 acknowledge the entailment okay yes they will draft people who had former experience yes okay so if

03:01:50.500 you're going to do a draft right the logic behind it also would be that you can then call up soldiers

03:01:56.900 quickly who have had some kind of training sure yeah so then if you're only dealing on a volunteer

03:02:03.060 basis a volunteer force and your country's attacked by a much larger force then wouldn't you

03:02:08.900 want the systems in place for conscription so that you could quickly field men into battle starting

03:02:14.900 with people who have former military experience to stave the enemy off as you train new soldiers you

03:02:19.060 can create a system where those people are basically on standby or reserve so then yeah but if it's

03:02:25.620 voluntary it would defeat the purpose of conscription what is it i mean again i don't think the draft

03:02:33.620 should be a thing i think we can have a system in place or let's call it draft light whatever whatever

03:02:37.940 you want to call it um where people volunteer their services in case there is such a situation but i don't

03:02:43.940 think you should be able to force an individual ever under any circumstances to put their life on

03:02:49.380 the line for the government uh well no for their own nation they're that's i i don't think i think

03:02:59.620 often times like for instance you're you realize governments can be subverted for instance yeah i

03:03:05.780 realize and you realize that inside of this type of subversion you can have like surprise attacks

03:03:11.780 nobody's prepared for right you can have all sorts of different things happen where you would need

03:03:16.180 to call up soldiers very very quickly whether they wanted to go or not yes um i think in the history

03:03:22.900 of the united states most of the time it is not necessarily a surprise attack like that um so

03:03:30.580 so what yeah because i care about how realistic the scenarios are but regardless wait wait that's

03:03:37.300 that's a very realistic scenario that you could be in fact what was is was pearl harbor a surprise

03:03:42.820 attack yeah that was a pretty big surprise no not the one and only that too no not just 9 11 either

03:03:49.700 okay no many many surprise attacks war of 1812 started with a surprise attack by the way the civil

03:03:56.660 war started with a surprise attack can we compare no no let's compare stop cutting me off i'm not

03:04:02.100 done okay the civil war started with a surprise attack how many of those wars can we compare with

03:04:08.100 like wars the united states has been a part of or has directly been involved in that are not surprised

03:04:13.860 those wars don't have conscripts so world war ii had it was a conscription war yeah uh and then if you

03:04:20.260 go back to the civil war there was conscription during the civil war as well those were those were

03:04:24.420 those were our big surprise attacks what about vietnam yeah vietnam there was a draft but not

03:04:28.900 very many people who actually got drafted interestingly enough was there a conscription

03:04:34.100 in the korean war i think there was yeah a two-year war yeah yeah there's the point that i'm trying to

03:04:40.100 get across but the major the two major ones both of them seem to fit this criteria um

03:04:44.900 um the point that i'm trying to get across is that i think that yeah you should not force the general

03:04:54.340 populace to essentially or any individual to be part of a war they don't want to be part of i think i

03:05:00.500 just think that's fundamentally not okay for a government to do and the reason why is because

03:05:06.340 i'm sure we can agree there are times where the government doesn't necessarily have the best interest

03:05:11.300 that heart when it comes to going to war so i just want to take this to its logical conclusion

03:05:15.460 then so if russia um had some big windfall of wealth and came to the shores of the united states

03:05:23.140 and said okay i'm going to bribe all of you to join our military and invade but by giving each of you 0.55

03:05:31.460 every man in the united states a million bucks okay to join our army and take over if if the the

03:05:38.740 citizenry of the united states agreed to that men right or even just a large portion of them let's

03:05:43.540 say the fighting age like 10 okay join the ruskies and attacked us you'd be okay with that because of 1.00

03:05:49.940 volunteerism it's not that i'd be okay with it it's just basically at that point i guess yeah the

03:05:54.580 nation deserves to die at that point if your nation does not have enough people who are willing to

03:05:59.060 volunteer to fight for it and is willing to give up another nation so if another nation bribes 0.98

03:06:04.740 a portion of ours to go turncoat and join their military in order to take ours out you don't

03:06:11.060 believe that our military or our our government should be able to conscript its citizens to fight 0.54

03:06:16.900 this nation off i think a nation that doesn't have enough people willing to line up to fight against

03:06:22.900 these people um is a nation that's already dead to begin with essentially i don't think also what

03:06:28.740 wait wait let me finish what in what world is example that you're giving up or giving us would

03:06:36.180 not be applicable to the people who got drafted like what because if russia has this large windfall

03:06:42.980 of wealth or whatever and it's like hey guys you're in the military and we'll give you like

03:06:46.420 a million dollars would it not also be in russia's best interest to say like hey defect from the

03:06:51.780 military and we'll give you a million yeah but then you have patriotism and consequence of patriotism

03:06:56.020 yeah and patriotism and consequence of patriotism should either exist in the country but yeah but

03:07:00.500 under your or die but under your scenario they're not traitors what do you mean they're not what

03:07:06.260 are they doing wrong no i still think they're traitors they're not fighting for the nation

03:07:10.420 wait wait traitors to what to the nation they're going for an enemy construct instead they've decided

03:07:15.380 that they're traitors but you don't care if they join the enemy because you deserve it it's not

03:07:19.380 that i don't care if they join the enemy it's just that i believe that the strength of the nation

03:07:23.620 should be strong enough to have people being willing to take up arms of volunteer and if you

03:07:28.580 haven't created a nation with that then your nation is so let me give you the major scenario then

03:07:33.620 the major scenario is you cannot reveal to the public how strong the enemy actually is because

03:07:39.620 it would be strategically disadvantageous you can't actually tell them how big this threat is you can't

03:07:45.460 tell them where this threat is and the reason that you can't tell them this is because then the enemy

03:07:49.860 will know and then they will use that to their advantage to destroy your army so because you

03:07:54.580 have to keep that secretive right you might not be able to give the general public enough information

03:08:00.020 to know why it is that they should be joining to protect their country so in that case wouldn't

03:08:05.140 conscription be a viable option i i there's still something unethical about it um mainly saying

03:08:14.500 basically mainly speaking that you're essentially taking away people's choice um but shouldn't you

03:08:20.180 sometimes need to do that um i think there are times where you can take away choices i don't think

03:08:27.140 you should ever be able to play roulette with a person's life without their consent yeah but again

03:08:31.620 this goes back to i mean i've just got to know in this scenario yeah no the government sees that there's

03:08:36.500 an overwhelming force but cannot announce this to the american public because if they were to say

03:08:44.260 to the american public that they knew about how overwhelming this force really was and why it is

03:08:49.220 people needed to volunteer to protect the nation uh that that would give away that they knew this

03:08:54.260 critical information and so instead they used conscription and quietly began to conscript people into the

03:09:00.500 armed forces why would that why would that be a problem final thing from pixie and i'll move it on go ahead

03:09:06.740 because ultimately what you're doing is that you're taking people's like individual right

03:09:11.780 um to determine essentially if they're going to live or die i think at that point what you should

03:09:17.860 do is you should offer basically extremely high incentives for them to join which is basically

03:09:25.060 like hey after you know this war or after this don't have time we need them now okay i'm sorry i do

03:09:31.620 have to move things i gotta have her answer that last thing i we need them now i don't think you

03:09:35.780 should be able to play roulette with a person's life um under any circumstance i just okay yeah all

03:09:42.660 right i do want to touch on briefly the topic of get back to feminism get back to patriarchy uh one 1.00

03:09:49.860 question for you though pixie uh if you could would you ban men from being able to vote on anything 0.93

03:09:56.900 related to abortion rights no okay that was my question um really quick i think this would be good

03:10:04.420 i guess bringing it back to the very beginning how do you each define feminism pixie she has not 1.00

03:10:10.420 actually defined it i'll have you go first um we're using basically the working definition that

03:10:16.100 we said earlier before no i'm asking for years basically again feminism is super duper broad the way i 1.00

03:10:24.740 personally would describe it would be um the movement slash ideology of trying to create a system where

03:10:36.020 men and women have equality or like equal opportunities essentially so if the if the system

03:10:45.380 was patriarchal in order to achieve equality you would need to dismantle patriarchal systems right

03:10:51.060 yeah okay so then my definition of feminism is the movement towards egalitarianism and the 0.56

03:10:57.860 dismantling of patriarchy follows right yeah it does follow so then you basically utilize my

03:11:04.660 definition of feminism well that's why we agreed in the beginning i said yeah let's go let's use that 1.00

03:11:08.580 definition yeah but yeah but saying let's use it doesn't mean you agree with it it's because i'm not

03:11:15.700 and i know you're like oh you're obfuscating like you're making this so much more complicated than it

03:11:19.460 is no i'm fine with that if it has a point and it's not actually obfuscation okay the reason why

03:11:26.660 i'm not being super strict with the definition of feminism is because since feminism is such a broad topic

03:11:34.660 um somebody can easily bring up i don't know if this will happen i can't think of one from the top

03:11:40.100 of my head but if another definition is brought up um that also makes sense i would be open to using

03:11:45.860 that definition as well yeah that makes sense yeah so yeah i'm not i'm not the only i'm just holding

03:11:50.500 you to some kind of standard we can operate off of yeah i understand it could be broader than the

03:11:55.700 standard yeah but at least the standard gives us something to talk around right yeah okay so whether it's

03:12:00.740 mine or yours um so i wanted to move past the you're granting me mine into this is a definition

03:12:07.140 yeah that at its core you kind of agree is also true okay so that would be the definition

03:12:15.380 do we live in a patriarchy um i'd say we do yeah otherwise what could she dismantle yeah and what is

03:12:24.580 it did we define patriarchy earlier what is a patriarchy what is the patriarchy basically the

03:12:30.980 patriarchy is i don't even say necessarily a system of governments but a system of like societal

03:12:39.380 structure where men have more power on the basis of being men men have more power on the basis of

03:12:48.980 being men yes like basically being a male in the system by virtue or whatever because of the way

03:12:56.900 that society views it grants you with automatically some level of power more or respect is this all

03:13:02.580 men or some men um oh that's a good question um i kind of want some men honestly because even if you

03:13:13.780 try to argue that like oh no men in general or even even if we say men in general the point being is that

03:13:18.740 there are certain men out there who do not meet the standards of what it means to be a man like

03:13:23.620 societally and as a return they're treated very very badly looked down upon like at the same level

03:13:29.780 of like women essentially that's why i would argue that there are some extreme cases like that yeah i 0.96

03:13:34.180 don't think patriarchy has anything to do with status so my definition is just of the father so this 0.98

03:13:39.860 just means that men are in charge of shit they're in charge of something yeah that would be a patriarchal 0.99

03:13:45.700 system that men are in charge of it um yeah um i think um so status itself to me how society views 1.00

03:13:54.740 it um i don't actually care about i don't actually care about the entailment of the societal viewing

03:14:01.140 of men having more or less status because arguably right now i would say that men are not looked at

03:14:06.980 as having more status than women in this society would you i think in certain areas like 0.91

03:14:12.820 i think um men basically women can exhibit some of the same behaviors men have and they'll be looked

03:14:23.860 down upon it essentially like um straightforwardness assertiveness um just domineering behavior looked

03:14:32.980 they're looked down on often by other women for that and men both yeah but i mean men and women also look 0.76

03:14:39.700 down on men if they're not exhibiting proper masculine qualities yeah i agree but why would

03:14:45.780 that be patriarchal it's patriarchal because it puts men in an inherent like benefit well you haven't

03:14:53.940 demonstrated you haven't demonstrated the benefit you just said that if women don't act like women 0.95

03:14:59.700 they get they get punishment for it but the same with men the benefit is that if 0.56

03:15:04.740 what is it the benefit is basically they're more likely to be promoted to be you know yeah essentially

03:15:12.900 put into power because they're acting like men that's the point if i'm a woman if let's say you 0.53

03:15:19.460 know how we were talking about human characteristics give me a demonstration of that okay easy um let's

03:15:25.060 take a man and a woman and let's say they're both you know trying to get this like ceo position whatever 0.99

03:15:33.220 they're trying to apply for it and they're getting interviewed by the like basically they're

03:15:37.940 interviewing the subordinates to see like who's better blah blah blah if the woman is as assertive 0.71

03:15:43.220 as a guy is or has been towards her subordinates they're usually seen as like bitchy or they're 0.99

03:15:47.380 usually seen as like a pain in the ass or whatever while the guy is more likely to be seen as no he's 0.99

03:15:52.340 just assertive he just knows what he wants so based on this the woman is more likely to be like 0.99

03:15:58.500 penalized to not get that position to be looked down upon because she is exhibiting the same

03:16:03.540 attribute that the man is yeah which is being assertive but that doesn't demonstrate because

03:16:08.980 we view men and women a certain way based on their their um their ontology and the physicality and the

03:16:16.180 way that they actually operate that there's no advantages that are equal to this advantage you

03:16:21.620 perceive in the ceo aspect to women and if that is the case then the idea that men are have

03:16:27.540 certain advantages and women have other certain advantages still wouldn't make it patriarchal if 1.00

03:16:32.260 we're looking at status well first of all can you give me an example and then second of all yeah

03:16:37.540 let me give you a tons of examples where women's status is uh very helpful to them just by being 0.99

03:16:43.300 women where it's not for men before i said first of all but then second of all um can we do one at a

03:16:49.380 time so we don't get bogged down in this we have to answer five points at a time let's do one at

03:16:53.860 a time they're intertwined because i was going to say like second of all even in cases where

03:16:58.740 oh a woman has an advantage because she's acting womanly versus a man who's like you know has 1.00

03:17:03.620 an advantage because he's acting like manly or whatever um the argument here is just not

03:17:09.380 are there advantages being a woman or a man there are advantages being both the one is which one is 0.97

03:17:14.020 more likely to put you in a position of power uh okay but when you're talking about status you agree

03:17:21.540 with me that power comes in many forms yes is that correct yes okay so if we're talking about

03:17:28.260 status don't you think that it's a very powerful position to women for women to be in to be the 0.99

03:17:33.860 default when it comes to custodial agreements of children um yes but it's usually not because

03:17:40.900 they're women it's usually because they're the primary caretaker no it's traditionally just been

03:17:45.460 because they're women in fact there's laws which governed this for years and years just because 1.00

03:17:50.260 women yeah instant custody because women even right now that's carried on the same exact way 0.99

03:17:57.540 that it is in the ceo idea so this is going to be case specific some men aren't going to look at 0.97

03:18:02.740 women applying for a ceo job and say oh she's being a bitch therefore she's gone they might prefer 1.00

03:18:07.860 assertive women in those positions some men maybe not and maybe it's the majority of those some men who 0.98

03:18:13.860 don't want uh that assertiveness uh that they would prefer in a man great okay so maybe that gives uh

03:18:20.980 uh men an advantage in that particular criteria however the status of women is also advantageous

03:18:27.060 in other areas so i'm not confident that using your definition of status proves patriarchy if women 0.99

03:18:33.220 are advantaged in different areas okay i don't think

03:18:37.140 well here's a here's a few things the first one i want to ask you is if you could give me a specific

03:18:44.500 study so that i can look at specifically of um like in recent era here's one we can agree on easily

03:18:50.900 for the same crime same crime including violent crimes women get lesser sentences than men yes 0.56

03:18:56.740 absolutely um that is an advantage it's an advantage yes i said that's an advantage yes and

03:19:02.820 again as i said before there are certain advantages women have under the patriarchy that would fall under 0.99

03:19:07.540 status yes um that your status merely as being a woman that's because is assisting you yeah i agree

03:19:13.780 with that but that's also because women are viewed as weaker they're not viewed as much as a threat they 1.00

03:19:21.860 are viewed it's it's a status that is lower it's essentially saying like oh you know i view you the same

03:19:28.500 way i would view like you know like a cat trying to like call me like and you're not that much of a 0.98

03:19:33.460 threat so i'm not going to punish you as much because you know who the fuck cares you're just a 0.97

03:19:37.940 woman so that is maybe it's an advantage towards women but it's up and it shouldn't be that way it's 1.00

03:19:44.020 still a status which is enjoyed and a privilege by women but it's not over men okay first of all

03:19:51.860 again here's our conflicting definitions when you say status right i say patriarchy is of the

03:19:57.140 father men are in charge okay that would be a patriarchal system women often as judges in 1.00

03:20:03.540 these cases hand down lighter sentences just like the men do this is not a purely male phenomenon at

03:20:11.300 all so how could it be patriarchal what is it again it's patriarchal because the view is that men should

03:20:19.860 be taken more seriously than women they are even including women yes i'm not so how could that be

03:20:26.980 matriarchy or patriarchy why the pete again there's pay is the is the patriarchy brainwashing them to 1.00

03:20:32.980 believe that no unironically yes unironically yeah no women are women do uphold the patriarchy i've

03:20:39.780 never disagreed with this the whole idea i think that women are upholding um the idea that women are

03:20:46.580 less of a threat i think that women uphold the idea that women deserve to have custody i think that women 0.98

03:20:51.940 use the stats including feminine no feminists specifically use stats all the time everywhere 1.00

03:20:57.300 i'm sorry saying hang on let me finish my argument saying this saying that men are hyper predatory

03:21:02.580 because they're hyper predatory this is why they're viewed as being predators they should be viewed this

03:21:07.380 way women should get lighter sentences they don't do as much crime as men do women enforce this 0.99

03:21:12.260 narrative not men i think both men and women i think more women i think feminists we literally had a

03:21:18.660 conversation for the past two hours where you were telling me how men you know if they decided to go

03:21:24.740 and kill everybody or kill all women they could because they have the monopoly on power so you are 0.98

03:21:29.540 enforcing the same patriarchy that now you're saying oh no it's women who are actually doing this not me 0.99

03:21:35.140 i'm giving you a logical argumentation that rights themselves are come only because men allow women to have

03:21:43.620 those rights do i think that the default is that men will be in charge indefinitely in some capacity

03:21:50.100 yes but your definition is status yeah status so men could conceivably be in charge and women still

03:21:58.420 have a higher status which would make it in your definition not a patriarchy i think what is it power

03:22:06.020 and status are often interlinked not always yeah more often than not though um when you are

03:22:13.540 okay um who is the most powerful person in the world right now i don't know i'd argue the president

03:22:23.940 of the united states mm-hmm yeah and that would be that would be an argue yeah i guess historically

03:22:30.260 speaking i wouldn't say that that's a high status job anymore though okay well we'll agree to disagree

03:22:35.620 that what did you think when trump was in office that the presidency was a really high status yeah

03:22:39.860 i think it still was i think it literally being the president of the united states and who's about

03:22:44.500 to be kamala is probably it's the most i would argue is kamala right now about to be the president 0.98

03:22:49.460 possibly we'll find out but if she is then is it a matriarchy then because she's at the highest status 1.00

03:22:56.100 as again i stated before it would be like a general system um just having one ceo one woman ceo 1.00

03:23:05.380 one woman president one woman in power doesn't necessarily dismantle that entire system yeah 1.00

03:23:11.060 no it would or similar it would have to be pretty so i don't understand how come that tens of

03:23:16.420 thousands or hundreds of thousands of women can enjoy the status and privilege of custodial 1.00

03:23:21.620 agreements getting lighter sentences having their doors open for them making sure that they're all of

03:23:26.420 their meals are bought for them making sure that society in and of itself caters to them

03:23:31.700 in a way that they do not cater back to society they're not doing the most dangerous jobs in the

03:23:36.100 world the mortality rates inside of men's workforce versus women are astrophuckonomical because women 0.99

03:23:42.260 can't do the jobs men can do seems like you have a much higher status in society than men do 0.95

03:23:48.500 we're viewed as interchangeable expendable widgets you know if women really had like that same level of 1.00

03:23:54.900 status that men do um you would expect that to carry out more in the workforce too you'd expect

03:24:01.220 them to have let's say like more positions of power you'd expect them to have more positions of

03:24:05.940 governance you would expect it to be like around similar numbers but for some reason we don't get

03:24:10.740 that yeah because you don't what do you mean it's because you don't do anything of status how much

03:24:16.020 status are you going to have as a kindergarten teacher you don't do anything we're talking about

03:24:20.740 women and men who are similar if not the exact same qualifications okay applying to the same exact

03:24:28.740 jobs and having the men still being picked more oh no is is that so that do they enjoy um on some 0.80

03:24:37.300 kind of hiring status quo the fact that they don't get fucking pregnant and so they won't have to leave 1.00

03:24:42.100 their job for nine months out of the fucking year and they won't have to stay home and take extended 0.98

03:24:46.180 vacations which is what women demand and men don't from an employer standpoint male or female makes 0.98

03:24:52.740 sense doesn't it that's not a status it doesn't it really doesn't make sense because one you're 0.98

03:24:58.180 presupposing that every woman who applies to the job ever is going to get fucking pregnant if you 0.98

03:25:03.700 are and then second of all for the society that i'm advocating for both men and women would get equal 0.90

03:25:10.420 levels of paternity and maternity oh great that's that's nice but unfortunately it doesn't work out that

03:25:15.780 way equally hang on my turn i just listened my turn to respond so just so you know if you are running

03:25:22.660 a company which is hiring a lot of men and women you would probably just make general policies general

03:25:28.260 policies not individualistic policies you and i can both agree that only females can get pregnant

03:25:35.060 right yeah only only females can get pregnant no males ever can get pregnant ever can i oh i don't

03:25:45.540 want to derail but no no males can become pregnant you can answer the question you can answer okay um

03:25:52.020 do you consider a person with x y chromosomes male or female no you can be a male and have

03:25:57.940 um a double x chromosome depending on your biology but you can still be a male you only have two how

03:26:04.500 do you define male that would be somebody who follows the typified pathway for female or male so

03:26:10.180 your organs your body can only have x amount of organs those organs are going to be even in chimeras

03:26:16.580 this is true you're only going to have one reproductive pathway that's viable and so you can determine the 0.65

03:26:21.060 sex that way so you agree that i'm just curious i'm just generally curious so there are people who

03:26:26.980 have x y chromosomes that can get pregnant um yeah so what so they're a woman or men no again didn't 0.63

03:26:34.420 i just say that it had nothing to do with chromosomes no no that's what that's why i'm

03:26:38.260 clarifying stop stop stop stop repeat back to me what i told you you said what is a male and a female

03:26:44.100 from my definition you said it depends on the reproductive status essentially that's not what i said

03:26:49.060 so let me try it again let me try it again you can only as a human being have one of two

03:26:55.940 viable reproductive pathways that's why literally i didn't say reproductive status okay because there's

03:27:01.220 women without uteruses who are still females okay sorry for miss it's important that we make this 0.92

03:27:07.220 distinction and do you know why it's important to make this distinction because because there's women 1.00

03:27:11.380 who obviously can't have children but they're still quite female okay so it's a reproductive pathway yes 1.00

03:27:16.500 it's the the one of two reproductive pathways your body is capable of going down okay and there's

03:27:21.380 only two okay and so okay i'm just curious and because of the whole trans athlete well they're not

03:27:29.700 trans but you mean the female huh you mean the female athlete yeah and that there were a bunch of

03:27:34.900 people yeah that was a female okay cool awesome i'm glad we agree yeah i mean i used it as a as a great

03:27:40.020 way to uh to bash on the t's because i like to do that but um but yes that was a female okay cool so 1.00

03:27:47.380 one of two reproductive pathways which are available no men can become pregnant and let's assume for a 0.98

03:27:55.380 second that because you're like a blue-haired social justice lunatic that that there's at least that

03:28:01.220 that there's 10 who could 10 males or 20 or 200 males or even 2 000 we could say with great confidence

03:28:09.940 that almost every company on planet earth is never going to have to deal with one okay sure okay so if

03:28:15.540 that is the case then we can reduce this to females only are going to be the carriers of the children so 0.99

03:28:21.540 if you are in charge of a company and you are setting a standard for who you want to hire

03:28:26.580 right why would you not set the standard for people who are going to require less in the way of

03:28:34.500 leaving the company for extended periods of time based on pregnancy based on this based on

03:28:38.660 i understand what you're trying to say i just think um fundamentally i would focus more on who has more

03:28:47.140 qualifications or basically who i believe to be more qualified to lead yeah i mean but who cares what

03:28:51.700 you personally would like from the if you can envision from the employer's standpoint you're in

03:28:56.420 charge of 500 employees with a revolving door and i think from the employer standpoint um you can

03:29:02.340 make generalizations about gender but that doesn't necessarily mean you're necessarily you're hiring

03:29:08.180 the best person per se if you're making those generalizations on gender yeah so you might be

03:29:13.300 missing some of the top applicants just because you're assuming that they can get pregnant so 0.96

03:29:17.380 maybe your job i had a job i want to listen to what you have to say i just have to also run

03:29:21.460 the bathroom i'm not gonna be able to all right sorry we'll take a little break here yeah i'll have

03:29:26.580 to smoke then do we have enough time for that maybe not maybe uh this would be a good opportunity

03:29:35.460 for us to plug debate university i can't really pull it up uh here hold on uh andrew i'll run to

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03:29:51.140 hope you guys are enjoying the debate so far it's been enjoyable for me i don't often get to tangle

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03:30:05.700 crazy they are the more you go right you're gonna have all-female prison because you can 1.00

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03:31:48.500 it up okay so we're back to this now where the fuck were we um what is it we're talking did you go 0.98

03:31:56.020 did you run in the bathroom and read your text message you did didn't you no i love my phone 0.99

03:31:59.620 here you could look we'll go all right all right i'm just fucking around i know so brian we're gonna 0.97

03:32:05.220 about 30 minutes wrap this up okay i'm so hungry yeah i know she's done that's why she's i know she's 0.83

03:32:10.420 dying yeah we'll get centered for you brian is that better turn the mic a little bit this way yeah

03:32:19.220 yeah that's good are you sure

03:32:20.660 it's good a little closer to you

03:32:22.100 the microphone's good to the edge

03:32:24.660 okay

03:32:25.460 well done well done continue on

03:32:26.900 congrats underscore you underscore played underscore yourself donated one hundred dollars

03:32:37.220 one hundred percent of what you scam as the patriarchy derives from female sexual selection 1.00

03:32:42.660 men must climb hierarchies plus attain power if you didn't demand it it'd go away plus you'd have 0.93

03:32:49.540 any real shot at equality yeah this is a good point that is brought in that women essentially demand 0.96

03:32:55.780 based on sexual selection that men be high status oh um i'll tell you what though you can prove me wrong

03:33:04.180 right um the dating prospects that you're going to have in the future lower or higher status men

03:33:08.580 um ideally same or somebody who matches me where i'm weak yeah based on your history

03:33:16.660 the men that you've dated have been equally yoked to you or they have been higher status

03:33:20.820 i would say equal equal yeah i would say and is have you ever dated a prominent twitch or youtube

03:33:26.580 streamer no never no not even once not even i'm i'm i disappeared off the internet for like three

03:33:33.220 to four years okay um so what's your last boyfriend do my last boyfriend was a philosophy student

03:33:44.020 okay i was in college okay so in the future you'd want somebody who's equal to you um

03:33:52.340 not going to be taller not going to be stronger no equal or i would say equal or higher um or higher

03:33:59.780 yeah but it's just weird because i don't really view relationships in terms of higher or lower i

03:34:06.580 usually view as who's going to help it sounds so weird so i want to have children in the future i

03:34:12.900 want to have three children um and i want somebody who's ideally good at the things i'm not good at

03:34:18.660 you know because i want to be able to raise my children like equally what are those um so for

03:34:24.420 example i um i suck at cooking i'm really bad at cooking you want your man to cook yes i would be 0.67

03:34:31.380 the happiest woman alive my man knows how to cook so you want to stay at home dad um no not completely

03:34:37.300 um so he would take over probably cooking i would probably take over more cleaning to even things out

03:34:43.380 um we don't have to make the same exact salary i could make some more um or he could make some more

03:34:49.300 but then i expect that to be reflected in the amount of like home labor that we take over so

03:34:55.700 if he's making more i would do more home labor and if i'm making more i would expect him to do more

03:35:01.300 home labor okay that's fair so now let me ask you this question yeah and you can go ahead and lie as

03:35:06.660 much as you want i'm i'm almost in fact i will bet you the milkshake that you lie to me right now i will

03:35:14.100 bet you a milkshake that you lie do you think that most women prefer to have men who are have

03:35:22.020 a higher status than them or they want it to be about equal no they want equal or higher i think they

03:35:29.380 prefer higher um and i think the reason for this goes back to social conditioning right um not just

03:35:38.180 social conditioning but i guess maybe this is a form of social conditioning um labor in the household

03:35:43.780 so right now the problem that you have for a lot of women is that they're making either the same as 0.76

03:35:48.980 a guy or in the scenarios where they're sometimes even making more but they're taking basically all 0.99

03:35:55.620 of the household labor so it's like fuck like let's say we're both you know let's say i'm in a relationship 0.99

03:36:01.460 with somebody and we're making the same but now at home i am doing all the cooking all the cleaning i'm 0.99

03:36:06.100 taking care of the children well fuck now i'm doing basically twice the labor that you are i'm doing the 0.98

03:36:11.060 labor in the home and i'm doing the labor outside the home it seems like it would be preferable to 0.98

03:36:14.980 have like a man who could just hire all that out i think for a lot of women yeah i think for most 1.00

03:36:19.540 people so higher status well yes but is that based on social conditioning or is it just based on the

03:36:25.460 fact that they want men to be able to provide the life they want yeah sure provision but i also think

03:36:30.660 there's a lot of women out there who's not going to essentially go for a guy just because he has a lot 1.00

03:36:35.380 of money um if they generally love a guy then they don't need the guy to be like freaking rich mr mickey

03:36:43.380 money pants um they just need the guy to be able to carry their weight yeah but the social status that 0.98

03:36:49.860 you're talking about if you want to be desired by women the higher your social status is the higher

03:36:56.420 you're usually desired by women yeah yeah for sure well then if that's the case then this commenter

03:37:02.100 when he says okay and by the way you do owe me the burger but i don't owe you the milkshake because

03:37:07.540 i feel like you were actually honest there then the commenter is correct that men have every

03:37:13.220 incentive to climb the hierarchy because of female expectation that they do climb the hierarchy how 0.97

03:37:18.820 would that be patriarchal um based on status if the status is demanded by women wouldn't women be 1.00

03:37:26.740 imposing a matriarchy no because i'm saying that women can demand whatever women 1.00

03:37:37.380 they can demand whatever from their partner one it doesn't mean that the men are actually meeting

03:37:42.100 that expectation and then two women themselves are not reaching that status i'm talking about

03:37:48.260 individually am i on the same level status as this other guy i'm not saying like what i demand with my

03:37:55.060 partner or the matter the other person i'm saying like like from my merits alone can i reach that 0.95

03:37:59.380 status yeah but men don't give a shit if you're a starbucks barista and you're hot but i don't think 1.00

03:38:03.700 that's true yeah i think a lot of men care about beauty don't get me wrong i think uh okay okay so 0.98

03:38:10.100 let's let's see if we can if we can figure this out in five seconds okay really really really

03:38:16.180 ugly rich chick really really hot starbucks barista 35 year old guy go 0.98

03:38:25.220 i think a lot of guys especially like now it would be gigolos 100 now you definitely 0.99

03:38:30.580 milkshake definitely owe me the milkshake lying through your teeth who would they take come 0.99

03:38:35.780 on they're gonna take the fucking really heinous ugly millionaire over the barista who's hot really 1.00

03:38:41.860 yeah dude i think they would 100 and they cheat on her too they cheat on her triangle um 1.00

03:38:48.580 ah i think what is it i think well whatever even if we disagree no i don't think we disagree so let's

03:38:55.460 let's try this again um i just want to just want to make sure that i'm crystal clear on this because

03:38:59.940 you're saying it publicly on a massive platform so i want to make sure i can clip this a thousand times

03:39:04.980 and put distribute it everywhere i'm going to you think that if a man an average 35 year old joe 0.65

03:39:13.060 had the option right of being in a monogamous relationship with a hideous ugly unattractive 1.00

03:39:22.660 as fuck millionaire chick or a really fucking hot 24 year old barista they would take the really 1.00

03:39:31.780 hideous millionaire i don't think they would be monogamous i think they'd cheat on her okay but 1.00

03:39:36.020 the they don't want you to cheat so yeah yeah so because of that you don't get you don't get the

03:39:42.500 millionaire right i think what is it they would just they would 100 percent cheat on her i don't think 1.00

03:39:48.100 that's the question that's not the question i think most guys would fuck the 24 year old chick 1.00

03:39:54.020 which one would they want i don't know i'd want you don't know i know i want to see the millionaire 0.99

03:39:59.300 i do i think what is it it's cap being like oh no they won't cheat on them i think they will 0.99

03:40:04.020 fine um i also think they'll take the fucking millionaire over the beautiful woman i get it 1.00

03:40:08.900 they care that much about status no i think what is it it's just it's more about the stuff they can 0.99

03:40:14.580 buy than the status and whatever do you think that it's wait can i do you think that um yeah you can

03:40:20.020 ask whatever you want i just have one quick follow-up right how is it possible for me to

03:40:24.820 debate with somebody who's delusional like how how can i make delusional how can i craft a coherent

03:40:30.500 argument if we keep going on the basics average joe donated one hundred dollars i'll take the broke

03:40:37.380 americano of course who wouldn't take that i couldn't take the broke hottie should i do a poll in 1.00

03:40:42.740 the chat yeah i'm pretty sure there was one time ask him wicked wicked fucking witch of the west who's 1.00

03:40:48.020 a millionaire so with a hump on her back and she's gross as shit if she's a grossest person alive 1.00

03:40:53.300 no not the grossest alive she's just really ugly yeah i think um so what's the what's the poll 1.00

03:40:59.540 question which would you pick really ugly chick no but i know the two differences but what which 1.00

03:41:04.420 would you pick which would you date which would you which would you pick for a monogamous relationship 0.59

03:41:08.580 which which would you which would you date how about that keep it simple which one would you marry 0.60

03:41:13.700 okay sure yeah that's fine which would you date slash mary so well i know but but you know they 1.00

03:41:20.180 secretly though all of them secretly want the millionaire right so wait is it ugly fat rich 0.99

03:41:26.900 woman ugly fat rich woman versus ugly fat old rich woman yeah versus young hot starbucks 1.00

03:41:35.540 advantage of her wealth and then sleep with whatever young women they want that's what yeah but if they 1.00

03:41:41.540 could choose one yeah what is it i don't think yeah but if they could choose one so without changing

03:41:49.780 the question if they could choose one they would bat if they had to pick one to bang it would be the

03:41:55.780 24 year old chick no if they had to pick one to be with day to marry day to marry to live their entire 0.98

03:41:59.860 life maybe i'm too female brained or whatever i would find it very hard um for so many men to just be

03:42:07.140 like no like i actually would pick the 24 year old barista they would well anyways and i'm not saying

03:42:15.780 i'm now i don't want you to be confused by this i don't want you to think that i'm saying 51 percent

03:42:22.020 would i don't want you to be confused and think that i'm saying 60 percent like 99 i i want you to

03:42:27.860 understand that it would be 90 plus percent of men who would pick the young hot starbucks barista

03:42:34.500 and i would like to know from your world view why you think that is other than because you would

03:42:42.660 value the status of the millionaire i think guys like to think of themselves as oh and i shouldn't

03:42:50.900 say guys in general because it's not in general i think there's a subsection of men who like to view

03:42:54.980 themselves as you know valiant like oh i'll protect her i'll take care of her blah blah blah 1.00

03:43:02.420 no they want to fuck they want to fuck you know yeah i just want to fuck whatever no they want do 1.00

03:43:07.540 you know why they want to fuck young hot women do you know why they're gonna say because of the 1.00

03:43:11.140 reproductive yeah what else would it be yeah i think um right now the primary edict is to breed 1.00

03:43:18.580 like what else would it be okay do you think looks is all that matters and no of course not what else

03:43:24.020 well i think it's situational so i think well so i think that it's conditional upon the situation of

03:43:31.620 man that some things could change when it comes to that but i would always say this that primarily

03:43:38.260 attraction does have to be there and attraction not only does have to be there but it has to be there

03:43:44.100 long term both people have to be attracted to each other or it won't work you can't falsify

03:43:50.420 attraction so yet attraction is still going to be the number one edict do you think there are factors

03:43:56.740 for men that influence attraction outside of physical appearance yes but not nearly as much

03:44:02.660 so it's overwhelmingly going to be this one category first you couldn't have umbrella trains from it right

03:44:09.620 but the thing is is that i want to for the rest of my life want to be attracted to my wife

03:44:15.540 why do these other factors influence oh for a variety of reasons because men have uh external

03:44:22.180 preferences to just just singular things no no but i'm saying what okay when it comes to physical

03:44:28.900 attraction there is a basis right you're saying reproductive value is it fair that's why you value

03:44:33.700 youth yeah yes is it fair to say that other factors are also influenced by reproductive value like

03:44:41.940 basically outside of beauty ulysses the pagan donated 100 i would marry the the hot barista and then 0.96

03:44:50.100 steal her tips see i can force in outliners to see anyway speaking uh speaking of which really quickly

03:44:56.980 we do have the poll results in there's a pro i mean they're still coming in but there's over 900 votes

03:45:02.260 which would you date mary it's 93 percent hot 25 year old minimum wage woman versus uh oh it just 1.00

03:45:10.020 shifted from to 92 8 say the ugly fat 35 year old rich woman yeah now it's back to 93 okay okay so

03:45:19.940 basically wait wait remember i told you earlier not 60 i know i know okay not 70 percent not 80 90 plus 0.94

03:45:29.300 percent of men would prefer this okay and these are probably trolls who are yeah voting for the

03:45:35.380 she has an audience they've got to be offsetting it with that other seven percent no my audience is

03:45:40.660 nothing i'm kidding go anyways um those are just andrew haters right anyway go ahead do you think

03:45:48.900 that basically the other factors outside of physical appearance are also

03:45:53.380 influenced by the reproductive value they have i'm going to use intelligence intelligence as an example

03:45:59.540 right um the whole idea why oh you know like i want to mate i want to reproduce whatever so

03:46:04.900 theoretically speaking a guy would value intelligence in a woman because it means that 0.93

03:46:10.980 genetically they don't value intelligence in women oh okay interesting is it enough to just reproduce 0.98

03:46:17.700 for men yeah uh it's not for most men yeah to be with a hot chick that's enough yeah no but what i'm 0.98

03:46:24.020 saying is that um so i think that they don't want their women to like be knuckle-dragging retards 0.99

03:46:30.740 but uh when you're talking about hyper intelligent or high intelligent i think that you're talking

03:46:35.460 about like um they want them to be really really smart right that's a that's like an attractive

03:46:41.060 feature what i'm trying to say all right kind of what i'm trying to say is that it's not i mean i think

03:46:46.500 that they have to be able to like you know do basic things like cook and and clean i'm not sure that 0.93

03:46:51.300 they need to be fucking neurosurgeons no i don't think they care about that no yeah men care about 1.00

03:46:56.340 not just their child only being born but their child surviving right otherwise that defeats the 0.99

03:47:01.620 entire purpose so the child reproduces and dies two seconds later yeah okay so we agree it's not just

03:47:07.380 enough for the child to be born the child has to survive and thrive because otherwise there's no

03:47:12.340 point in reproduction it's the wow they're born and they die two seconds no okay so now that we've 0.99

03:47:17.620 established that yeah but how hard is it to keep a kid alive yeah okay literal fucking retards can do 0.99

03:47:21.700 this now what is it the question becomes and it's who what's going to be better for the kid to thrive 0.99

03:47:30.260 or a dumb mom you're thinking way far past what men are thinking about yeah i don't think so like 0.96

03:47:35.380 reproductively you're thinking like a woman like genetically you think youth that you're thinking 0.99

03:47:38.740 maternally you select men based on the fact of how what is the longevity of our children going to be 0.67

03:47:44.660 like men don't select you for that they don't need to okay reproductively speaking if it's not 0.99

03:47:50.980 enough to just have your child be born your child has to thrive because otherwise there is no purpose

03:47:56.660 of it being born it's going to die and not actually be able to reproduce but men into it that almost 0.96

03:48:01.620 every woman can do this because it's not difficult to do okay do you want your super not difficult to 1.00

03:48:07.780 keep a baby alive in other words okay but it's not it's not just that right it's not just keeping the

03:48:11.860 baby alive it's having the baby thrive eventually so he can spread your lineage yeah but he thinks

03:48:17.220 that the baby is going to thrive based on the bill his ability to produce not your ability to keep it

03:48:22.500 alive they that doesn't make any sense why because just reproducing as we established before is not

03:48:29.380 enough if the baby is born and even if the baby meets a minimum standard of being alive that doesn't

03:48:35.220 necessarily according to your view of like you know essentially like hierarchy um the baby has to be

03:48:40.820 able to get climb or get higher in the hierarchy so that they can then reproduce and continue the

03:48:44.980 family in those terms you're wrong you're saying evolutionary we agreed evolutionarily that men

03:48:51.220 want their children to thrive it's not enough for it to be born stop the mechanism for which that occurs

03:48:58.420 we have two very distinct opinions about so let me explain i firmly 100 believe having raised 0.90

03:49:06.420 many children into maturity that keeping a child alive is fucking easy and it's even easy for a woman to 1.00

03:49:15.140 do because they're designed to stay alive and so what happens is even 70 80 iq dumb ass women can keep a 1.00

03:49:22.820 child alive men don't bank on the fact never bank on the fact that oh well you know when this baby is 0.99

03:49:31.380 fucking five or six what are the values she's gonna they don't think like that what they think instead 1.00

03:49:37.140 is is the kid going to be healthy i can do all that shit i can instill the values i can instill the 0.99

03:49:41.780 program i can instill all of that okay who what child is going to be easier to install these values or 0.96

03:49:50.260 programs in an average well actually actually if the mom a smart child actually if the mom is kind of 0.95

03:49:57.060 stupid that would make it way easier for you to download your programming into the kid's brain 0.99

03:50:01.300 okay because then what's the mom gonna say she's too dumb to argue what's that genetics yeah that's 1.00

03:50:06.900 true okay mike davis donated 100 andrew forget this debate for a minute i want to hear you speak on that 0.95

03:50:15.140 fat juice head fake tough guy who tried to alpha you on fresh and fit roast that bozo well he apparently 0.96

03:50:22.100 he just got swatted and he was caught on the the steps of some fucking apartment or something 0.98

03:50:28.580 crying his eyes out and that was all caught on film because he is a well i i mean like you said i guess 0.97

03:50:35.860 he's the alpha of the alphas but anyway i don't endorse any of that by the way no uh no swatting ever

03:50:41.220 that's that's gross but him crying that's funny yeah so if genetics are 50 50 then the mother's

03:50:47.940 intelligence matters just as much as your intelligence yeah but this is a logical argument

03:50:52.740 to preference i'm talking about what men prefer not whether or not it's logical yeah and i'm saying

03:50:58.260 that they prefer that what is it i'm saying if you are arguing that men care about beauty because or

03:51:05.380 for because that's linked to fertility and that's linked to your child surviving um they should not just

03:51:11.380 should i i do think they do care about intelligence even though you're saying not this is where i don't

03:51:15.700 think you're saying the truth because i'll tell you the truth i'm gonna be unequivocally as truthful

03:51:21.060 as i can possibly be okay men don't give a fuck about you being a doctor or a lawyer or the potential 0.99

03:51:31.780 to be a doctor lawyer because you have some big high iq they don't fucking care here's what they care 1.00

03:51:36.820 about they care that you have a really nice ass and a nice pair of boobs and you look like you're going 1.00

03:51:42.180 to bear children and the reason they value the big boobs and the nice hip ratio and all of that is 0.99

03:51:47.060 because intuitively they can see genetically been grained in them they know that you can bear their

03:51:54.740 offspring so what happens is from the evolutionary standpoint right when they see you it makes their 0.99

03:52:00.500 penis hard and they go i want to have sex with her and that's as far as they're usually thinking about 1.00

03:52:06.020 very simple question you have a 25 year old um hot woman you have another 25 year old hot woman equally 0.99

03:52:14.260 hot um one is more intelligent than the other i'm saying to you this underscore bish underscore

03:52:21.060 projecting donated 100 you said he'd exploit her plus cheat because that's at its core what women do to 1.00

03:52:28.980 men it's her nature so you assume we are the same right exactly because it wins them better women right 1.00

03:52:35.860 evil shit boo smiley face smiley face yeah so anyway wait wait wait also thank you go ahead yeah 0.98

03:52:44.260 no you you were saying go ahead you're going to equalize the primary value yeah the 225 you have a 0.99

03:52:48.980 25 year old hot woman and another 25 let me finish let me say the full sentence the answer is the

03:52:54.180 intelligence you would select for the intelligence at that okay yeah so if you had a 25 year old

03:52:58.580 hot woman another one 25 year old hot woman equally the same yeah you would select for intelligence yeah but 1.00

03:53:03.700 why because because you've equalized the primary value so now now let me give you the counter to

03:53:09.220 this because it's really simple now we don't have the equalizing of the primary value okay so the one

03:53:14.980 chick is less hot and more smart and the other chick is less smart and more hot who does the man go for 1.00

03:53:21.940 yeah i think it depends on how big because i'm pretty sure there's some guys who take a slightly

03:53:28.100 less attractive woman who's going to guarantee that their child is basically going to be the next 1.00

03:53:32.580 elon musk wait i'm basing it in the same exact hypothetical you gave me you said we're going

03:53:36.980 to equalize the primary thing that men are interested in we equalized it yeah one is more intelligent than

03:53:42.180 the other i'm giving you the exact same hypothetical back with the only differentiation being okay now the

03:53:47.860 primary edict here has been lopsided to the same degree that the intelligence was that's all i'm saying

03:53:53.700 yeah so you're saying one is smart however no however smart you in your conditional hypothetical

03:53:59.620 or claiming the one woman is is exactly how less attractive she is in mine so which one is he

03:54:05.700 selecting for yeah now you're reversing it so i'm not yeah no no i know what you're saying i know i

03:54:10.820 understand what you're saying that's exactly what i'm doing so answer okay like i did so yeah a lot

03:54:14.660 yeah a lot of men would pick the hotter one there you go but that's that there's easily scenarios 1.00

03:54:19.780 where you have a woman who is maybe slightly less attractive but super freaking smart and a woman 1.00

03:54:25.460 who is you know more attractive less smart there's a lot of men who would pick sure seven percent of 1.00

03:54:30.660 men would take the fucking ugly millionaire if you could guarantee or you know very high likelihood 1.00

03:54:36.580 that your child is going to be the next elon musk uh-huh would you not take it if i had a crystal 1.00

03:54:41.700 ball like let's say it's this woman is so intelligent and you know that yeah let's say but she was ugly 1.00

03:54:47.700 not even ugly just slightly less attractive well no at that case in that case maybe i would equalize

03:54:53.540 it that way but now you really so if you had a woman who was hotter by slightly let me answer the 0.94

03:54:59.060 question you when you say slightly right that could mean like um i don't know her nose is in a slightly 0.96

03:55:07.620 different position than what i would prefer right when you say slightly what does that mean yeah it means 0.94

03:55:14.580 that we have two women uh-huh one's a little hotter but dumber the other one is a little less 1.00

03:55:19.620 hotter but a lot smarter yeah so if you if you if you would to take a secondary conditional like you 0.96

03:55:26.740 were to say uh we could do this with money too oh this chick is her nose is in a slightly different 1.00

03:55:34.420 position than i would ordinarily like but other than that she's just as hot as this other chick but 1.00

03:55:40.500 she has two million dollars sure we can use that as an offset i'll absolutely bite that bullet because 1.00

03:55:47.060 it doesn't do shit to my argument which is that when it comes to selection the primary edict is going

03:55:53.620 to be the value of the looks and when you say that there's these uh tangentials to this right that men

03:56:00.180 select and value for i've already agreed that that's true but to a massively lesser degree than the primary

03:56:07.300 edict in this case you've taken the tangential which have already agreed they value to a much

03:56:11.860 lesser degree and put it at a massive higher degree than the slight amount of offset from

03:56:17.940 them being hot because so all you've done is make my fucking point for me triangle to illustrate triangle 0.98

03:56:23.220 for you the point that i'm trying to illustrate here is that you said in the beginning that men don't 0.99

03:56:27.940 give a shit about intelligence they just care if you're hot they don't fucking care but we have just 0.97

03:56:31.620 illustrated multiple examples where you said you know what the more intelligent one despite the 0.99

03:56:37.140 hotness factor so yeah no what's happened is the the argument started and i can even show you in my

03:56:44.260 notes with you saying that they value other things other than this and me agreeing that that is true they

03:56:51.300 do value other things other than this but that the primary thing they value primary thing for instance

03:56:57.860 you would agree with me that men would value a woman with two million bucks right yeah okay but 0.93

03:57:03.300 when put to the poll of she does have that two million bucks but she's not fucking hot they value 1.00

03:57:08.900 the hot one over the two million bucks so we now have an order of operations of what they value we know

03:57:13.700 that they value the looks over whatever this this tangential thing is that includes intelligence

03:57:18.660 and this and that but if you were to make a tiny offset a slight offset to the primary edict

03:57:24.340 here and you were to take one of these kinds of tangentials and make it overwhelmingly high in

03:57:30.500 order to take care of this tiny offset that i can literally concede to that and it makes my 0.88

03:57:35.620 fucking point okay i keep going it's okay sorry i'm distracted sorry the point that i'm trying to 0.91

03:57:50.500 illustrate or as i stated before well first of all i think yeah i do think most men are capping when 0.99

03:57:56.340 they're talking about like the hotness of a woman versus multi-millionaires whatever prove it i think 1.00

03:58:02.020 that's not what they marry what is it millionaires are marrying fucking poor women millionaire women 1.00

03:58:08.420 ain't marrying poor men okay sorry you think what do you think there's actors out there dating 20 1.00

03:58:15.300 year old hot women who are not fucking actresses but show me all of the famous millionaire women who 1.00

03:58:21.940 are out there fucking dating the starbucks barista who's a man j-lo j-lo what didn't she have like a young 1.00

03:58:30.740 like 24 yeah is she married to him um probably not oh i just got him sorry i just read physical 0.99

03:58:39.220 engineering is a different field than applied engineering but sorry that was i'm let me go

03:58:44.980 back to the main focus i agree most rich women well i don't know because you have cougars like we have 1.00

03:58:52.420 a literal entire field we have a name for this of you know rich older women that go for younger men 1.00

03:58:58.420 hougars aren't marrying them uh i donated this 1.00

03:59:04.660 fucking 200 just to get this dumb argument across please let the sink in men don't give a rat's ass 1.00

03:59:10.020 about a woman's intelligence we just don't don't don't like you care like look the thing is is that 1.00

03:59:16.340 when you when you if you make these uh value judgments i'm willing to concede to your value

03:59:22.980 judgments i am willing to concede that men value all these different things they value intelligence

03:59:28.660 they value um kindness uh there's a million different kind of like attributes that i would

03:59:35.460 say men value what i'm saying is that the primary value that they they value more than any of those

03:59:42.900 is the idea that you're fucking hot that's what they value more than anything else more than any of

03:59:49.060 those tangentials now you can create offsets i'm sorry stop you can take create offsets where you 0.90

03:59:55.620 say that i can slightly decrease the primary attribute to the point that it's almost who cares like nose in

04:00:03.780 a slightly different position eyelashes a little longer than i'd like but i can compensate for that 0.93

04:00:09.380 which she has eight million dollars or she's a fucking 160 iq neurosurgeon sure i'll concede to that 1.00

04:00:17.460 who gives a fuck um i want to go back to a couple of things you were saying oh you know these women 1.00

04:00:23.220 aren't marrying like these younger men or whatever they're not um the vast majority are not but the 0.99

04:00:27.700 vast majority of millionaire men are not marrying the 25 year old baristas either far more of them

04:00:32.180 are the vast majority of people though if we're talking about you know society as a whole we're not

04:00:37.460 just talking about outliers yeah not just age range we're talking about class lines most wealthy

04:00:42.340 people marry other wealthy people that's just how it be yeah so the whole idea like oh look at these

04:00:47.140 subsection of men that are marrying younger women but we have a difference though in the avenue of

04:00:52.580 what's pursued so that what this is a really interesting phenomenon which is that interestingly

04:00:59.460 enough women's mate selection when we see what they're moving towards it seems to be a smaller 1.00

04:01:05.540 section of men than it is for men towards women meaning that men seem to want a much larger pool of

04:01:12.100 women than the opposite why would that be well it's because women desire a few different traits 1.00

04:01:20.100 they want men who are taller than them of course men don't give a fuck if women are taller than them 1.00

04:01:25.140 or shorter than them they don't fucking care women want generally for men to make slightly more money 1.00

04:01:30.660 than they do or at least on par with the money they do men don't give a fuck if they make as much money 0.99

04:01:35.540 as they do right women prefer probably to have a mate who they think um you know could maybe fix 1.00

04:01:42.420 scars or has a bunch of practical skills and things like this men again don't give a flying 0.98

04:01:47.300 fuck so what happens is the pool opens much wider for men because they're selecting for one primary 0.98

04:01:53.540 thing over all others women aren't doing that yes will women marry unattractive men who have really 1.00

04:02:00.820 high status or get together with them they do it all the fucking time right men on the other hand 1.00

04:02:06.100 are not going to settle down generally uh with a woman who's fucking ugly as shit they're looking for 1.00

04:02:12.500 some kind of woman who has some kind of beauty standard that's it as i stated before the reason why 1.00

04:02:18.820 women are looking for people who have around like the same status as they do or higher is because 1.00

04:02:24.260 women are still expected to take on the vast majority of home labor and are you know basically 0.97

04:02:30.100 unhappy with how uneven that system is they women do not want to be doing both home labor and out 0.99

04:02:36.180 home labor they want to be able to either basically pick one or have it be around equal

04:02:40.340 for both partners then why do you have a society how do you explain women saying then they're proud 0.98

04:02:47.220 lol paladin's donated 100 she is also conflating intelligence with university brainwashing 1.00

04:02:54.900 smart women are rare and nice a woman with a degree is actually a negative most women aren't 1.00

04:03:01.300 neurosurgeons worthless debt but even if we were to grant it lol paladin's even if we were just to 0.90

04:03:06.980 kind of grant her idea of this it it still wouldn't negate my point so who cares um but i mean it's a

04:03:14.020 good point i'm just saying it doesn't negate mine either way as i said before about like home labor

04:03:18.660 essentially what was the question that you asked well so you were saying that the reason that women are 1.00

04:03:23.140 selecting for this is because they don't want to do both the external uh work and have to do the home

04:03:28.660 labor but the thing that's really interesting is that men are showing oh sorry i remember what you

04:03:33.940 asked men are showing a consistent desire to have women stay home where they don't have to do any

04:03:38.340 external labor and women are still shutting them down they say no that doesn't go in with my preference 1.00

04:03:44.340 of having my own safety net and having my own career which is the thing that i desire not to stay at

04:03:49.620 home so this argument that you are making right now no no no women would definitely hook up or 1.00

04:03:56.180 end up marrying these guys if only they wouldn't make them work and stay at home is kind of moot

04:04:01.460 because they don't want that yeah women basically want to be able to have their own career and have 1.00

04:04:06.900 somebody who is willing to take 50 of the sounds like they're demanding a higher status from men than 0.51

04:04:12.900 men are demanding or no they're demanding somebody to also take at home labor so when you look at like a 0.75

04:04:18.100 lot of reasons why women divorce one of them is like basically like differences in the out in the 1.00

04:04:23.140 household unsatisfaction what's the number one what's the number one reason they divorce

04:04:26.580 irreconcilable differences yeah followed by a problem what do you think those irreconcilable

04:04:31.860 differences are usually when pew research dove into this it was really interesting because i had the 0.96

04:04:36.580 same question what the fuck what what does that mean irreconcilable differences the woman says i fell out 0.68

04:04:42.740 of love he didn't give me the butterflies why do you think that happened well when they dive into 0.99

04:04:46.820 it they just say over time in many cases these women say there was nothing wrong with him he just

04:04:51.460 didn't give me the feeling anymore yeah at least from what i researched it seems like a lot of these

04:04:57.860 women when it comes to especially households where the basically chore discrepancy is large and the 1.00

04:05:04.820 women are still making around the same as the guy they start feeling like they're mothers essentially to 1.00

04:05:09.780 their men they feel like oh you know and here i am being like basically the same level of breadwinner

04:05:14.900 but now having to do the cleaning but they're divorcing at the same rates even if the man is

04:05:20.100 significantly making more money than them i am not certain about that i would have to see

04:05:25.860 the what is it this exact study um well not only is it certain but i mean if you take the pool

04:05:32.340 right here's the here's the here's the here's the edges people with higher here's the edges yes

04:05:36.900 that's true in higher brackets they're less likely to be divorced because both of them are in a higher 0.63

04:05:41.620 bracket so why are you saying it's interesting is that because you have the center class which is

04:05:46.980 accounting for most marriages not the higher class or the lower class but the center class 0.97

04:05:51.780 the lower class less likely to get divorced higher class more or i'm sorry more likely to get divorced

04:05:57.060 higher class uh more likely to stay together but what about this massive center this center hole well 0.99

04:06:03.540 when you look at the preferences and this massive center which accommodating almost all of these marriages

04:06:08.820 most of them in fact you find something really interesting which is that men their preference

04:06:15.140 is we'll do a little more without okay and you can stay at home women say no 1.00

04:06:20.180 fuck that i don't want that i don't prefer that lifestyle i want to work okay so i want to split 0.97

04:06:26.500 these chores with you and he's like no i don't want to split chores i want to work you do the chores at 1.00

04:06:31.460 home they want a traditional marriage in other words women are saying no they're opting out of that 0.84

04:06:36.580 so again if we go back to your idea of status as being the symbol of patriarchy it appears to me

04:06:42.660 that women are demanding that men reach such a status where they not only are earning the same 0.79

04:06:50.100 amount okay or more but are also splitting the housework whereas men their idea equal status their 0.57

04:06:56.420 idea of this is actually less no it's not equal it's a it's a privilege to stay at home it's not

04:07:02.260 privilege it's not a privilege to have to do everybody's chores laundry oh no you have to do

04:07:07.380 your own no it's not it's that's why do you think if it being a housewife is the easiest 0.99

04:07:12.500 fucking job on planet earth why don't ever try to bullshit me i've had one for years okay if this 0.99

04:07:17.940 was the case job if this was the case why do fucking rich people outsource that labor if it's basically 1.00

04:07:23.700 nothing what do you mean why not what's because they're busy touring they're busy touring they're 0.82

04:07:29.140 busy touring what is it labor is not glamorous it's a labor when you can outsource that you do

04:07:36.020 wait wait hang on nobody's like wow i'm staying at home and i'm making the same amount of money

04:07:40.420 this is so much fun let me let me get this right more money you want the person to do the same level

04:07:45.380 of labor i just want to make sure right if you're if you're trying to make the case that labor is labor

04:07:52.420 and labor hard therefore people don't want to do labor sure i agree but you do way more

04:07:57.940 fucking labor having a job than being a stay-at-home mom what are you talking about that's where people 0.74

04:08:02.260 would disagree who who disagree okay let's go i would say it's a different type of labor let's 0.99

04:08:08.100 i would say at least okay no no listen listen yeah let's get through it let's get at least when it comes

04:08:12.340 to labor and the house like outside the household i am guaranteeing a level of wealth for myself versus

04:08:18.180 if i'm just doing internal household labor it becomes significantly harder for me to make my

04:08:22.980 own business or to continue making money so so it means it's less stable it means i am now that's

04:08:28.020 because you're doing less work yes and i thought our whole issue is labor yes not just less work which

04:08:37.380 honestly is contentious whatever yeah but let's start with that no no no no no you are not making

04:08:42.900 around you're not making money you're not making you can be you can have great you can travel all

04:08:48.580 you want no it's not traveling but you're not going to get away from the question i can be i can be at

04:08:52.420 home let's say i live in a pigsty and i have to do 20 amount more labor than if i went out to work

04:08:58.340 that doesn't matter it doesn't matter how hard the labor is at home because the point of the matter

04:09:02.180 is i am not making money at home great so now let's get back to this idea first before i address

04:09:07.060 point two and three because you always bring them up in fours because you gish gallop a lot let's just start 0.97

04:09:11.620 with the first point can you explain to me how being a housewife can you walk me through your

04:09:18.420 labor day go ahead walk me through the labor day you think a housewife goes through i'm basically

04:09:25.300 cooking cleaning taking care of um well it depends on what type of household you're in but let's say

04:09:30.900 for the very basics the very essentials you're cooking cleaning and most likely taking care of

04:09:35.620 children okay so let's say you have two kids at home yeah okay um one is five and the other one is

04:09:43.780 ten okay uh walk me through your housewife day um i wake up what time what is it probably early

04:09:52.820 because i have to get the kids to school what time um either six or seven a.m okay so you wake up at

04:09:57.860 seven a.m got you okay um i kids get on the bus right well no first i have to cook breakfast you

04:10:05.380 don't have to cook breakfast i most most most schools have free breakfast you're not that's

04:10:11.060 definitely not true it's definitely true definitely do not have breakfast that's why they're trying to 0.87

04:10:15.060 pass bills across the state okay but but even assuming that you give them a fucking gogurt and a bowl of 0.92

04:10:22.180 cereal you give them a bowl of cereal on their way out whatever i'm you're asking me my day as a 0.97

04:10:27.940 housewife i'm telling you okay you tell me your breakfast um for them and for my husband um and

04:10:33.940 what are you cooking for breakfast on an average day let's say i'm making you know eggs bacon pancakes

04:10:39.140 every day american breakfast you make it that every day maybe not every day okay how many days do you

04:10:44.660 think a week you would make eggs and bacon and sausage and toast for the kids um let's say two or

04:10:49.780 three times oh you're gonna make it three times okay three times okay so then what happens um then

04:10:55.700 i have to get the children ready for school which means that i have to make sure that they put on like

04:11:01.780 basically like oh get ready like put on your clothes 20 minutes we got 20 minutes they're brushing their

04:11:06.020 teeth yeah 20 minutes of labor that they have everything in there what is it that's more than 20

04:11:11.380 minutes by the way to get kids ready for school to make sure that they're what is it lunchbox has

04:11:16.180 everything because i have to pack their lunch too you pack it the night before um okay well we can

04:11:20.260 add those minutes of labor at the end anyways um what is it i also have to make sure that you're up

04:11:26.740 at 7 a.m you've cooked breakfast eggs and bacon and sausage i'm gonna give you a generous 30 minutes

04:11:31.300 for that 20 minutes of getting them ready now they're at school okay now how long do you not

04:11:36.340 have to take care of kids while they're at school they're you're gonna say oh they're at school for

04:11:40.100 eight hours uh-huh so eight hours of labor gone but not no because and between that time i have

04:11:45.380 to make sure i'm like cleaning everything okay so let's go through how big is your house um let's

04:11:50.740 say it's an average uh or this is not ever whatever let's say it's a three bedroom i'm okay so how

04:11:56.740 many square feet is the three bedroom i don't know i can't think from the top of my head okay so an

04:12:00.980 average three bedroom house i'll just give you the square footage here we'll say we're going to be

04:12:05.380 really generous give you a nice big house 3 000 square feet that's big okay big house that takes

04:12:13.300 time also so hang on walk me through your three bedroom 3 000 square foot house i want to pause

04:12:18.980 for one second i don't want to pause i want you to walk me through your day okay no no no no because

04:12:23.300 here's the deal okay here we go whatever obfuscation it's not obfuscation it's gonna be 0.90

04:12:38.580 obfuscation just look at just look at the fucking general market we know how much we value this labor 0.95

04:12:44.100 because when we get we outsource it to other people it costs 17 bucks an hour it costs more 0.95

04:12:48.980 than 17 bucks an hour to get your house cleaned i have a maid service what are you talking about 0.97

04:12:53.860 okay i don't want to be that person whatever i grew up with a family that could afford that

04:13:00.180 i got 17 bucks an hour they come once a week and do a deep clean takes them three hours to do a deep

04:13:04.820 clean 17 an hour anyway so three bedroom 3 000 square foot walk me through the rest of your 0.98

04:13:09.940 fucking day kids are gone what's the first thing you're gonna do probably clean clean what breakfast 0.96

04:13:16.180 okay so you clean breakfast that's gonna take you what uh 15 minutes it's gonna take me more i mean 0.99

04:13:22.100 and what is it that's four you take the dishes you rinse them you put them in the fucking dishwasher 0.99

04:13:26.900 this is not rocket science it's not just what is it that it's also like crumbs in the floor 0.99

04:13:31.220 vacuuming you know wiping down the table what are your fucking kids animals i mean your kids are 1.00

04:13:36.660 fucking and do they just take their plate put their whole face in it no i mean what is it what are you 1.00

04:13:41.300 talking about like it's it's just basic right that's not basic my kids don't fucking stick their 1.00

04:13:48.020 whole face in a plate and sloth around like the whole thing in the plate yeah there's no crumbs 0.98

04:13:53.300 there's not shit all over the floor what are you talking about okay okay so anyway so you got but 0.99

04:13:58.500 let's just say you pick up a few crumbs and this and that okay from your animal kids who you can't 0.98

04:14:03.380 control because you're a bad mom so now we've got hang on so now we're uh we're what 30 minutes down

04:14:09.140 30 minutes to clean up breakfast um maybe more whatever okay how much how long does it take 0.98

04:14:15.140 you to clean up fucking 30 minutes let's say 30 minutes i swear i could clean up a breakfast for 0.99

04:14:19.140 six men in 30 minutes okay let's say 30 minutes okay 30 minutes um what is it then i'd probably have to 0.99

04:14:28.660 vacuum like clean down whatever the different rooms in the house and how long does this take

04:14:34.180 depends on how big the house is you said three thousand square feet yeah you gotta vacuum the

04:14:39.700 house oh plus laundry yeah what if you have hardwood floors like most you know sane people do when they

04:14:44.900 have kids um i mean you still have to vacuum and wipe down mop um yeah so you mop so you're gonna

04:14:52.740 mop you're gonna do this every day by the way you'd probably do it um it depends on what basically like

04:14:59.300 every other day okay well let's just use your most load heavy day so this day you're gonna you're

04:15:03.380 gonna clean the house okay this is your most load heavy day you can think of yeah okay um so that

04:15:09.060 would probably take me um i don't know it could take me like anywhere like two hours it's gonna take 0.54

04:15:14.900 you two fucking hours really if i'm doing all the rooms and if i'm doing what is it vacuuming deep 0.98

04:15:20.740 clean every room in your house once a week i'm talking about like mopping i'm then talking about um 0.99

04:15:25.220 vacuuming it's gonna take you two hours to vacuum your house fucking three thousand square feet and 0.99

04:15:32.100 vacuum plus mopping i'm putting both and you're gonna do this every day i'm not saying every day 0.98

04:15:36.180 okay but on your labor intensive day okay so we're gonna add two hours now what okay um then i have to

04:15:42.580 check what if there's enough food in the fridge if i have to go out to the supermarket or not like

04:15:47.540 basically take into consideration that sorry i'm so okay so you've taken indicate so now you need to go

04:15:54.580 to the store and get something from the supermarket yeah i have to get food for okay so you have to get

04:15:58.820 food so how long does that take you um i don't know most people take like an hour in the supermarket

04:16:05.780 okay so we got an hour okay what else okay um then basically you get back home

04:16:15.620 uh you do have free time now or you have some level of free time you either basically can like lay

04:16:22.340 around wait um so you're gonna lay around and wait for how many hours so i mean we've got three

04:16:27.940 so now i want you to i want to tell you where you're at in your day so far okay this is what i

04:16:32.900 have your day started take out the trash and and and this takes hours i'm sure no it doesn't take

04:16:39.780 hours how long it's just another thing to add onto the list how long two minutes yeah basically five

04:16:45.380 minutes five minutes would just like be really generous here yeah okay so so far i i have the

04:16:51.620 count at and i think this is very generous to you four hours of work and now you're lazing around your

04:16:58.900 house okay so hang on at that by the time you're doing this i want to let you know your day started

04:17:04.180 at seven yeah okay uh so what do we got eight nine ten so now it's 11 o'clock and you ain't doing

04:17:11.780 shit okay the kids get out of school at what time um three they get out at three three thirty okay so 0.94

04:17:18.180 we have so we have four hours of you not doing shit right okay wait let me let's continue okay 0.99

04:17:24.260 the kids get back home oh you have to go pick up the kids right no you can have the school bus drop 0.97

04:17:28.260 them off like every human being on planet earth usually does but even assuming you have to go pick

04:17:32.660 them up we'll generously add okay another 30 minutes school bus picks them up um unless your kids are

04:17:38.900 unless of your like bad mom basically i don't say that because there's so many different whatever

04:17:44.020 um your bad mom if the school bus drops off your kids no no i'm about to say you're gonna have to

04:17:48.500 take them to extracurriculars unless if they have none so at 10 yeah what extracurricular is your kid 0.97

04:17:55.140 gonna be in the fucking einstein program what extracurriculars did you not have extracurriculars 0.97

04:17:59.700 when you were 10 no okay what extracurriculars are there at 10 easy simple sports like volleyball 0.99

04:18:06.260 or soccer or whatever you think i'm gonna you think that kids at 10 years old are out at their 0.93

04:18:11.940 fucking team what were you doing at 10 i was doing volleyball at 10 yes every day after school not 0.98

04:18:19.460 every day but how many days after school i think like twice or maybe three times okay so you got to 0.99

04:18:25.380 pick the one kid up from school and then the other one probably has other different extracurricular

04:18:30.260 activities okay so you pick them both up yeah okay so now we've lazed around for four hours now you're

04:18:35.380 doing work again you've gone and picked them both up that takes an hour now what now you have to drive

04:18:39.940 them to their extracurriculars no no you've picked them up from their extracurriculars well no okay you

04:18:44.980 pick them up from school then you have to take them to their extracurriculars and then you have to be

04:18:48.580 there you went to volleyball absent your school what do you mean didn't you just when you were done

04:18:53.780 with school you had volleyball at the school right not always sometimes when you have like

04:18:59.220 those groups or whatever they have practices like outside or they have that's fucking rare they do it

04:19:04.500 at school not all schools okay well what i didn't you're in a 3 000 square foot house in the poorest 0.56

04:19:10.980 community on planet earth that doesn't do volleyball training at the school i literally what is it

04:19:15.300 sometimes they do but sometimes they have outside all right all right okay so we got another hour we're

04:19:19.300 at five hours of of actual labor and four hours of blazing so give me the rest of the eight hours

04:19:24.180 here in your labor intensive day so then include bringing them back from the extra extracurriculars

04:19:30.100 okay so i'll add another hour there now we're at six hours um helping them with all their different

04:19:36.260 homework okay so how long does that take you to do a 10 year old's homework have you ever yes i have

04:19:42.980 have you i mean i've helped my younger cousins okay how many how long um let's say it takes an

04:19:49.300 hour not because one hour okay yeah so now we're at seven hours of labor yeah this is your most labor

04:19:54.660 intensive day better give me some more because we're only at seven hours what else we got you've

04:19:58.260 got dinner right um yeah definitely got to do dinner that's an hour yeah so now we're at eight hours

04:20:03.140 right and now you have to clean after dinner now we have to clean after dinner so that's 30 minutes

04:20:08.340 now we're at eight and a half hours right yeah and now um what is it you have to pack their lunch for

04:20:13.940 the next day sure you said include at the end so that means i get to make lunch uh-huh um so it is

04:20:20.420 that 30 minutes an hour sure we'll get 30 minutes okay so now we're at uh now we're at nine hours

04:20:28.020 and then um what is it none of this includes basically the stuff that you have to do outside of school for

04:20:37.620 your children so whether it be or i guess extracurriculars kind of counts but that's like

04:20:41.060 part of school but now i'm thinking like okay like being involved in like play dates being involved in

04:20:45.700 okay so now it's bedtime basically right okay yeah you have to get them ready for bed get them ready

04:20:49.700 to bed we got 30 minutes now we're at nine and a half hours and then you go to bed after chilling

04:20:54.020 for a while right so we got nine and a half hours of labor on your most labor intensive day yeah can

04:20:59.300 you walk me through your least labor intensive day and what that looks like okay yeah sure there's

04:21:04.580 some days where all you have to do is cook and clean how many hours do you think in your least

04:21:09.940 labor intensive days in my least labor intensive days um well no not just cook and clean bringing

04:21:19.860 them in and out of school and extracurriculars but maybe they don't have okay least least labor

04:21:24.980 intensive i'd say like three hours three hour days okay how many of those do you are you going to have a

04:21:29.540 week um depends maybe three or four okay so we'll say uh just be conservative three okay and then on

04:21:40.980 your kind of medium days we'd split it and say like six hours okay sure okay six hours and then that's

04:21:46.820 not so now let's come up with our labor value here and to be clear this is not including

04:21:54.020 basically setting up things like play dates for your kids going to other places or for the kids

04:21:58.900 coming to your house um you know ideally if you can we'll add we'll add some of that on so let's

04:22:04.740 say three days a week at three hours okay and now we're at nine hours of total work just on your

04:22:11.620 lightest days nine hours total then we're going to add in your heaviest day which is going to be

04:22:16.740 another nine hours we're at 18 okay that leaves us with the split of six at four so that's going to be

04:22:23.060 um plus six plus six plus six plus six plus six we never included laundry yeah okay how how long

04:22:31.780 for laundry you put it in the washer and you walk away from it well no because are you doing it by

04:22:37.140 hand and you're also having to strip the kids at 10 put their own clothes away didn't you teach your 0.98

04:22:41.940 kids nothing um are your kids dumb they already are eating out of a trough you still have to do your 0.98

04:22:47.060 family your what is it your husband and yours unless if you're giving your husband labor at home but 0.99

04:22:52.500 assuming you're staying at home no um so we're also putting so at a generous yeah very generous of

04:23:00.180 me by the way i'm going to give you in seven days 45 hours of labor seven days okay so now let's go

04:23:08.980 ahead and divide that okay at seven you're averaging six hours of labor a day what do you think your

04:23:15.860 husband's averaging of labor per day yeah you're going to say nine to five um basically no no he's 0.99

04:23:22.100 supporting an entire family he ain't working 40 hours a fucking week um no fucking way he's working 0.96

04:23:29.460 40 hours a week bracket 100 yeah okay the average income bracket this guy's pulling in at least 60 0.98

04:23:36.340 hours a week taking care of a family right i don't know honestly i don't okay well let's just give it

04:23:41.300 40 let's just give it 40 he's still doing eight hours a day of labor and way less of a labor window than

04:23:46.580 you are five days versus seven he's still working harder than you if we give you the maximum amount

04:23:52.420 of labor i can think of he's still working harder than you doing um what is it is he doing physical

04:23:58.580 labor or is his job service any labor he's doing is harder than what you have described no i disagree

04:24:03.940 um really vacuuming vacuuming and driving to get stuff from the store the difference and i'll tell

04:24:11.140 maybe you're you can do your job in your pajamas what is it literally so basically and there's been

04:24:16.820 like a couple of studies on this anyways the nine to five job oh thank god there's been studies yeah

04:24:22.260 no you can laugh at me all you want the facts are facts um nobody actually works nine to five yeah

04:24:29.780 well then i'm going to assume you don't actually work well this amount of labor either okay the point

04:24:35.780 being is that it seems like even though people go to the office nine to five let me finish my sentence

04:24:41.700 seems it is the case that basically people do not actually work the entire time that they're at the

04:24:47.620 office it seems like there's a maximum no seems let me finish well no i can't i can't i need you to

04:24:53.780 commit to your positions not say seems i'm committing to the fact that people don't actually um work their

04:24:59.700 entire nine to five there is a limit to how much human productivity can get in a day especially in an

04:25:04.740 office why should we assume that the same is the case for the housewife the reason why we 1.00

04:25:09.060 specifically labeled it different is because you're and this is why i specified is it physical labor or

04:25:14.980 not um because you are taking care of both okay you're gonna you're not i know you're gonna laugh

04:25:21.380 at me whatever the mental load in the sense of like oh oh trying to keep track of everybody's

04:25:26.260 schedules trying to keep track of everybody has their things together trying to keep track of 0.93

04:25:30.340 everything um yeah you don't really clock out you got to get your ass up before 10 o'clock in the 0.81

04:25:35.700 morning the difference is you don't clock out you just had a four-hour window where you clocked the 0.97

04:25:40.420 fuck out not on your busiest day four hours of doing nothing on your busiest day not really because 0.99

04:25:46.740 you're still always you're sitting on the fucking couch eating bonbons watching oprah the difference for 1.00

04:25:52.580 four hours always always going to be responsible for what happens to your children so if something 1.00

04:25:59.060 no you're not yes if you're if you're walking out and then you miss a fucking message from the 0.99

04:26:03.860 school saying hey we need you to pick up jimmy he just like you know broke his fucking arm you're 0.99

04:26:08.260 the one who has to like which happens every once in a while well it doesn't matter if it happens once 0.98

04:26:13.060 every once in a while the point that i'm trying to get across here is that your afternoon nap might

04:26:17.620 get interrupted by having to go pick up jimmy okay you're not letting me finish well i'm sorry

04:26:23.220 listen no you can make fun of me i've had i have a huge family i've raised a lot of kids i've got a

04:26:27.940 housewife and let me tell you something it's not a hard fucking job and the thing is is i here let me 0.99

04:26:34.420 walk you through a real day of an average housewife not their coping bullshit fucking day even giving you 1.00

04:26:40.420 a 3 000 square foot house you couldn't fill more than a six hour window of your day and that doesn't 0.99

04:26:45.860 surprise me because here's what actually happens a cold lunch gets put in the fridge for the next 0.99

04:26:50.580 fucking day okay kid comes by in the morning eats a fucking bowl of cereal grabs the back lunch he's 0.99

04:26:57.540 on the fucking school bus and she doesn't do shit for hours that's most housewives because they don't 1.00

04:27:02.260 have to because the nice thing about a house if it's maintained it's maintained so you don't have to 1.00

04:27:07.940 clean it the reason it's maintained with a tiny amount of labor so that you don't have to expand

04:27:13.060 a large amount of labor should we have rachel uh do a call-in real quick sure like can you call 1.00

04:27:18.180 her on the phone i would love i'd love to hear you tell rachel about how hard a housewife's job

04:27:22.980 no because i'm not trying to play housewife fucking olympics so what i'm trying to get across 0.93

04:27:27.860 no it's very you kind of are because you're you're extrapolating that the labor of a housewife is 0.99

04:27:31.460 equal to you won't even let me finish my last like five sentences like holy fuck go ahead the point 0.98

04:27:36.260 that i'm trying to get across is that when you are a housewife or mom or whatever you are basically 0.98

04:27:43.860 constantly 24 7 responsible for your children and responsible like essentially for what your

04:27:49.220 husband does at home um that is taxing that is exhausting it is a different type of labor than 0.95

04:27:56.100 going to the office and not only that but it's a labor where you're not getting fucking paid so no 0.95

04:28:02.660 matter what at the end of the day you are put at a disadvantage so when i come home hang on so

04:28:09.620 when i come home yeah make it fair okay so when i come home from the end of a day of the end of a 0.98

04:28:14.980 work day and i hear honey the the drain is clogged the pipe is broke the fucking door handle fell off a 0.99

04:28:22.020 kid fucking hit their elbow through the wall oh i need all this fucking shit fixed oh and the car's 1.00

04:28:27.380 making funny noises am i getting paid for any of that labor no but you're getting paid for the 1.00

04:28:32.340 labor you do at the office no she's also getting paid for the labor i do now let me ask you a question

04:28:39.620 is she eating off that labor so she i'm saying yes and would she have to eat would she have to eat 0.98

04:28:46.100 but the point would she have to eat even on the merits of her own labor

04:28:51.140 yeah okay so in both cases would she have to house herself on the merits of her own labor 0.70

04:28:55.300 yes would she have to heat her house but so so the thing is is she's still getting all of the

04:29:00.100 benefits of the labor just like i'm getting the benefits of the labor the difference is is that i

04:29:05.780 still have to take on unpaid labor she's actually getting paid for her labor no the absolute difference 1.00

04:29:12.340 no is that no absolutely not there is an absolute difference here and it's that you ultimately do have

04:29:18.900 control of the finances if you decide to quit or to leave the next day she is absolutely 0.95

04:29:25.060 fucked there's no way out of it think about what you're saying here you're saying that because 0.88

04:29:31.380 the potential exists that the relationship may not work out that you need to create safeguards for 0.98

04:29:37.540 yourself and the inevitable conclusion that it won't why would any man want to marry a woman

04:29:43.620 in a million fucking years who says i demand to have a safeguard for when this doesn't work out 0.95

04:29:48.980 if women are the ones initiating most of the divorces it's what is it it's not even the worst 1.00

04:29:54.180 case scenario if you die she's fucked yeah what about the net loss to the man think about it from 1.00

04:30:00.420 a man's perspective of wait a second i just worked for 25 fucking years and you spin up huge amounts of 1.00

04:30:06.580 my wealth time and everything else you spent that and i had to spend it on you taking care of you 0.77

04:30:12.420 you because she's taking care of your prodigy your children even if that's the case you are also

04:30:18.420 taking care of your children she has an obligation to take care of her children taking care of their 1.00

04:30:22.340 children more without she has that obligation just like you do take care of the children that is 0.97

04:30:27.780 equally yoked but he conveniently you leave out wait i spent fucking hundreds of thousands of dollars 0.99

04:30:35.140 on fucking you taking care of making sure that you had the heating and everything else in this big 1.00

04:30:40.660 house that i would not ordinarily need and you got all of that that doesn't count 1.00

04:30:45.300 fucking compensate me what do you mean i'm saying that hey you know you can take care of her or 0.92

04:30:50.980 whatever while she's taking care of the household labor sure whatever the household of them the point 1.00

04:30:55.940 of it is that if something happens to you she is now fucked and i'm not even saying be malicious 0.99

04:31:02.340 about it i'm saying let's say you get a heart attack so the point being is that she is essentially 0.98

04:31:07.540 risking everything to just rely on you so is he she's taking for everything in divorce court 0.99

04:31:14.020 everything get alimony get half of his shit get the house get custody of the kids let's find 0.86

04:31:19.140 everything that percentage of alimony again she could sorry do most divorces end in alimony stop 1.00

04:31:24.020 no let's do it let's google you're not listening to the rest of it fuck the alimony then we'll just 0.98

04:31:28.420 say fuck the alimony she can end up with half of everything she could get the house primarily get full 1.00

04:31:34.260 custody of his children then who gives a shit his child support is supporting her even 1.00

04:31:38.740 fucking then and that is most of the ways that divorces go he's taking a greater risk than she is 1.00

04:31:46.500 even if she's sitting her fucking ass on at home because if she's unemployed the court's going to 1.00

04:31:51.940 award her child support from the man so he's going to still be support the child yeah but it goes to 1.00

04:31:58.980 supporting her ass most of the time let's not kid ourselves i'm not kidding myself most of the time 0.95

04:32:04.100 it is supposed to go to support the i know what it's supposed to go to that doesn't mean that's 0.99

04:32:08.260 what it goes also do what is it i i think you believe the courts enforce like child support more

04:32:14.820 than they actually do like no i i definitely there's no way if you decide to run off in the middle of the

04:32:20.580 night and go to a fucking different state that she's going to even have the monetary or illegal 1.00

04:32:25.700 resources to hunt your ass down i'm sorry i do have to i do want to come in on this so a woman can 1.00

04:32:31.300 just go to the department of uh they're got to be a neutral moderator here brian do i finish up yeah 0.99

04:32:38.100 yeah neutral i i like i like beating the tar out of people in debates but it has to be fair that's my

04:32:43.460 rule so so back to it's just clarifying a point yeah but back to this right yes easily she can be 0.99

04:32:51.060 awarded with all of this and often they are more often than not they're awarded with this especially

04:32:56.500 if they have no income then the court looks at it and says the children need to have some type of

04:33:01.220 equal life in both homes so you need to compensate to make sure that they have that life over there

04:33:06.580 what is she losing here in fact she has an incentive to get divorced and go with a new man because now 1.00

04:33:11.860 she cannot report his income taking care of her plus gets his income sorry most women who 1.00

04:33:16.740 women yeah most women we can and we can search it up right now just google it honestly um search 0.99

04:33:23.140 up their economic status before and after divorce please how many of them are more financially off

04:33:28.260 better being single mamas the vast majority are not better off that's just it like it doesn't so 1.00

04:33:34.740 what so what so the fact is this picture that you're painting that women are like you know divorcing

04:33:41.140 their husbands prove to me that they're worse off when they're in their 30s and get a divorce than when 0.99

04:33:46.180 they were married at 20 prove that to me prove that to me that at 30 they're worse off than when

04:33:52.420 they were at 20 when they got married i think they're better off still they may not have had as 0.99

04:33:57.460 good of a life as they had when they were married but they chose the fucking divorce economically 0.96

04:34:01.780 speaking economically speaking at 30 i guarantee you that they're doing a lot better than they were 0.97

04:34:06.500 at 20 even if they're fucking divorced so that argument is moot it means nothing it doesn't even 0.89

04:34:11.860 make sense you're saying what is it compare well first of all i don't think anybody's doing very 0.82

04:34:16.660 well if they're getting married in their 20s generally speaking um right huh yeah yeah no agreed

04:34:23.060 so what is it i'm 99 sure and we can like find out right now um most women end up yeah they end up 1.00

04:34:30.980 in a lower socioeconomic bracket after they divorced than before they yeah but it doesn't mean that their

04:34:35.460 socioeconomic bracket still isn't higher than it would have ordinarily have been had they not been married

04:34:40.020 yeah i don't think that's true prove it let's find out like can we google right now honestly prove

04:34:46.020 that they leave prove it prove that they go into the marriage at a higher socioeconomic status than

04:34:51.380 when they leave i would love to see that demonstrated how about this while she's looking that up we do have

04:34:55.780 a super chat paul jame she she sounds so wild you sound like the vice i can imagine can be and 1.00

04:35:03.860 on wait what oh the vice president i can imagine can be wait an unburdened what has been but can be

04:35:12.340 unburdened by what has been but there are those still unburdened

04:35:19.380 word uh paul jame thank you for the super chat man really appreciate it thank you even though i didn't

04:35:24.020 really understand it i still appreciate still appreciate it thank you man and then we do have i'm

04:35:29.220 going to let these uh there's some tts's that were yeah we got to wrap the debate anyway yeah we're

04:35:33.700 going to wrap up here soon guys if you want the tts has been dropped to 69 unless you guys want to

04:35:38.900 do a 10 minute row session do the 10 minute row okay we'll do one more thing then we can go to

04:35:44.580 gross session you're saying before marriage and after marriage hold on just let these come through

04:35:49.780 real quick 69 donated 69 dollars and 69 cents hi andrew how are you today man good hey pixie on

04:35:57.620 board i was wondering do you want to daily talk on instagram and get helpful texts by me i give you 69

04:36:04.260 woo woo 304 uh pixie did you hear that uh do you want to talk on instagram with this guy just

04:36:14.980 gerald donated 69 hey gerald good to see you running wheel barrels of concrete for 12 hours

04:36:20.420 was difficult well put gerald sorry that it took us a little while to get to these they came in about

04:36:27.060 15 minutes ago i just wanted to pause it to allow the uh conversation to flow gerald thank you for the

04:36:32.900 tts much appreciated pixie any response to 69 he's wants to talk daily on instagram yes or no

04:36:39.300 uh-uh you need a yes or no no okay just once a week then jess gerald donated 100 and i thought

04:36:45.940 running wheel barrels of concrete for 12 hours was rough there it is again gerald thank you for the

04:36:50.420 tts appreciate it yeah no listen listen oh it's not okay housework six hours of it per day on your 1.00

04:36:59.300 heaviest day is you and your fucking stupid concrete bro you need you know what dude why don't you just 1.00

04:37:06.260 stop being such a little bitch go do some housework for six hours a day on your heaviest day that will 1.00

04:37:12.260 teach you the value of real work sir that is the value of real work 1.00

04:37:18.740 ulysses the pagan donated 69 dollars i'm machinist at a heat treatment plant working 12

04:37:24.580 hour shifts five days a week and over time my wife is stay at home happy and has a beer ready for me 0.52

04:37:30.420 she's not serving just grateful and i heard yeah but dude okay listen ulysses you're 0.99

04:37:35.540 fucking ridiculous okay just because you work way more than 40 hours a week like every other 0.99

04:37:41.380 fucking working class man who has a family that i'm aware of at the moment doesn't mean that your 1.00

04:37:45.700 contribution is nearly as much as it is from six hours of daily housework why don't you get your 1.00

04:37:50.980 shit together bro get your fucking shit together what the hell is wrong with you 1.00

04:37:56.980 oh last thing the poll i think it we ended it it had about 2500 votes it was 91 to 9 percent 1.00

04:38:05.220 we're sorry 91 to 9 percent bias very very i mean it's just sample selection of men i'm sure that

04:38:13.140 all of them are lying about their preferences i'm not even gonna get into sample selection but i do

04:38:19.380 want to mention um when you were earlier stating oh you have to compare it before marriage versus after

04:38:27.220 marriage you also have to compare it to what would the woman have been making if she did not stay at home 0.99

04:38:35.140 yeah but that's a subjective metric that's not a subjective yeah it is no the thing is 0.98

04:38:39.300 absolutely not these chicks are getting married at as fucking baristas and then they go but i had a 1.00

04:38:44.340 dream to be an astronaut it doesn't mean the vast majority are getting married within like 0.99

04:38:49.460 essentially their socioeconomic no most of them are getting married at 0.76

04:38:51.940 30 and have hopped between 20 fucking jobs in their life kidding me are most people like 0.96

04:38:56.980 most people get married in their 30s yes yeah i thought you said most people i thought you were 0.99

04:39:01.460 saying and guess what they've jumped 20 fucking jobs before they got married usually most of them 0.97

04:39:05.700 don't even have stable fucking linear careers so what are you talking about they're still making 0.98

04:39:11.460 cash versus if they just stayed at home yeah but you said that hard to understand because that cash 0.94

04:39:16.820 offset they would be spending it anyway and in this case the man is taking care of that same cash they

04:39:23.140 would have been spending we're saying they would be making more cash prove it prove it prove that they 0.99

04:39:29.540 would have been prove that the fucking barista would have been making more cash than the fucking 1.00

04:39:33.620 machinist okay you all you have to do is like literally compare women who decide to stay at home 0.99

04:39:39.140 versus women who just continue to get a career and then also had children yes but you're not offsetting it

04:39:44.820 with what they normally would have to spend on themselves so what i'm saying is is that it's

04:39:49.380 great if you stop my turn no no no no yes yes yes so if you're a barista okay and you're pulling in

04:39:57.220 i don't know 14 bucks an hour or something like this you agree with me that you have to pay your living

04:40:02.020 expenses okay stop yeah i'm not disagreeing with any of that sure yes i'm gonna walk you through it 0.98

04:40:07.780 and then i'll go through your shit okay but you can't spurg and just go i don't want to talk about this 0.97

04:40:11.700 yes so uh you agree that they're gonna have to pay the living expenses their heating cost 0.99

04:40:16.500 their car care cost their gasoline they're gonna have to pay for all of that shit right sure all of 1.00

04:40:22.180 it how much money do you think that the average fucking woman has in her savings account after she 1.00

04:40:27.460 pays her own expenses tell me almost none of them have any almost none of them have a savings account 0.99

04:40:33.680 at all so if that is the case that most women don't even fucking have a savings account because they 1.00

04:40:38.440 don't because they don't neither do most men most americans are living paycheck to paycheck 0.92

04:40:43.080 guess what that's very helpful to my argument and not yours if most people don't have a savings account

04:40:48.360 that that means that they're spending all of that money on just living expenses and the expenses of

04:40:55.240 being fucking alive so if that is the case then if the man is taking care of her this entire time 0.84

04:41:01.800 all of her living expenses the things she would have been spending that other money on 0.94

04:41:05.320 without the savings account are being accommodated what point of it's her money that you don't

04:41:12.400 understand it's it's still her money they're married no it's not because when it's the guy

04:41:17.580 again as we've stated before they're married if something happens to him or if something malicious 0.99

04:41:22.800 happens to him she is then monetarily fucked yeah so would he be no he'd be a lot less fucked 1.00

04:41:29.200 no has if she divorces him takes half his shit he's fucked again as we've stated before most of 1.00

04:41:35.000 these women after the divorce are in a lower socioeconomic bracket so she's not maintaining 1.00

04:41:40.040 no let me finish let me finish that's obfuscating you're obfuscating the point absolutely a hundred

04:41:46.040 percent you have to do the l thing when you do that you are you are obfuscating the point not

04:41:49.840 because the point yes the point is that if they are what is it giving up their ability to work for

04:41:57.960 the past 10 years and now they're in a worse economic socio position because of the divorce

04:42:02.780 socioeconomic position yeah they're not going to be able to continue that same lifestyle as before

04:42:07.760 versus if they continue to work and then you know got divorced okay now they're still around the same

04:42:13.660 level they still have that same experience they are not relying just on you know child care

04:42:19.680 they hopped from 10 jobs to they would have hopped to 20 jobs and still not had a savings account 0.85

04:42:24.020 and still not had shit they would still be able to be in the workforce they don't lose that they still 0.90

04:42:28.360 could be in the workforce they go back to work it's gonna you okay i don't know when what reality you 0.98

04:42:33.340 live in where an employer looks at a 10-year gap on a resume and says you know what you should get

04:42:38.800 paid just as much as this person who worked 10 years this is an unfortunate argument that you and

04:42:43.260 progressives make all the time but an employer would actually rather look at a 10-year gap in

04:42:47.420 employment history than see that you job hopped fucking nine times in the last 10 years it is 0.96

04:42:52.780 true no look at the number one to raise it is true look at the number one way to raise salaries 0.84

04:42:58.300 i'm sorry it's job hopping that's why people do it guess what that is true but do you know why

04:43:03.000 because employers because employers need bodies and so when you need bodies you don't have a labor 0.91

04:43:09.200 force which can accommodate bodies you'll hire fucking anybody regardless of their work history 0.99

04:43:13.680 salary let me finish i just let you go through your spiel okay so again if you have a labor 0.98

04:43:19.460 shortage sure you can do all the job hopping you want because people are so desperate for bodies but

04:43:23.560 the same would be true for a woman who hadn't worked for 10 years as it would be for a woman who job 1.00

04:43:28.600 hops every six months do you think an employer for instance likes to look at your resume and see that

04:43:34.100 in six months the chances that you're going to leave the company are almost 100 percent probably not

04:43:39.680 same thing they look at on the other hand and see oh 10 year age or 10 year gap in employment

04:43:44.940 history because i was a stay-at-home mom they would probably prefer that yes absolutely not

04:43:49.980 absolutely yes look at is oh you're a hot commodity or whatever look at your experience we want to take

04:43:56.200 you away from your competitor not even in the same fields when you said the job hopping when you said

04:44:01.140 job hopping usually the way that you make the higher no they don't yes they do no they don't okay

04:44:06.400 most people are not going from astrophysics to the barista or the other way around well most people

04:44:11.320 aren't going to astrophysics nothing but the biggest increase in salary from job hopping is when you switch

04:44:16.360 careers so career switching and changing number one indicator for making a lot more money is within 0.97

04:44:23.160 the same bracket no not in the same bracket going from what is it doing yeah as i stated before fucking 0.95

04:44:29.360 astrophysics to law what usually happens is maybe i start as a fucking paralegal whatever get my law 0.90

04:44:36.260 degree and then i technically switch jobs talking about an attorney common people yeah okay either 0.67

04:44:42.400 either way here's what's common here's what's common okay you're right you know what you're right

04:44:47.300 you're not gonna jump you're not going from teacher you're not you know what you're not gonna jump 0.99

04:44:51.360 from your fucking entry level ass position at the arby's to the entry ass position at the in and out 1.00

04:44:58.180 right both of those positions one pays in and out let's say 20 bucks an hour and your fucking arby's 1.00

04:45:04.380 job paid nine dollars and 50 cents an hour i guess technically you're in the same field but the truth 0.94

04:45:10.220 is is it's a mass career change because everything you're doing within that job capacity totally

04:45:14.680 fucking different than anything you did but the other thing is is when you're talking about fields 0.87

04:45:19.460 if you're just talking about sales for instance okay is sales dynamically going to change you think 0.96

04:45:24.600 in the 10 years that you're a housewife is is the mechanism for sales going to change if you could sell 1.00

04:45:29.480 houses or you could sell cars or you could sell any of those things before could you just not

04:45:35.540 suddenly do that now it's just not within your purview i'm going to hire someone i'm going to

04:45:40.160 obviously hire somebody who has more experience in sales than somebody who doesn't even if they job 0.96

04:45:44.960 hopped six months ago it means that that's a really stupid why would you want an asset most people are 0.97

04:45:49.440 most people don't want to take somebody who hasn't been in the labor force for 10 years when there wasn't a 0.99

04:45:53.860 labor shortage the number one indicator that you weren't going to be employed was job hopping

04:45:59.040 number one indicator let's find it i'm curious you can pull it up because i'd be surprised if it

04:46:04.920 wasn't previous unemployment look under the obama era especially when you had a huge lack of jobs

04:46:12.200 number one indicator you weren't going to get employed job hopping do you guys you want to look

04:46:16.300 that up i'll let some tts's come through how about that the blind archer donated 69 women have 44 0.97

04:46:24.480 less save them that's i think pixie can agree at this point she's not debating on logic anymore but

04:46:29.860 emotion and nuance do you concur no i don't concur she does not concur

04:46:35.360 thank you blind archer we'll just let the ones that are going to come through yeah we're going to 0.57

04:46:41.920 we're almost done we're going to wrap soon we'll let these they'll be besides you have to buy

04:46:46.740 donated 69 i'm a structural welder at a very prestigious naval shipyard building submarines

04:46:53.300 12 hours a day seven days a week i live alone and it takes max three hours to do housework and cook

04:46:59.020 it's called multitasking no no no it's the hardest job in the world bro that's it's so it's super

04:47:04.960 difficult six hours a day four hours of nothing to do it's if you guys want to get your job

04:47:11.020 this chick makes desiree from yesterday look smart 1.00

04:47:15.580 no i wouldn't say that no she's had she's had some good solid debate points i thought tonight

04:47:23.740 that were worth contending with and arguing about 0.99

04:47:26.780 i don't think pixie's stupid annoying and does the triangle thing a lot but yeah not stupid 0.96

04:47:34.320 i feel the same way andrew the chat donated 69 how about you don't get divorced 0.83

04:47:42.640 thank you the chat appreciate it really quick guys also go to twitch.tv slash whatever i'm not

04:47:51.940 able to pull it up nick had to uh leave twitch.tv slash whatever we are uh simulcasting over there

04:47:59.380 drops the phone on the prime sub if you guys thank you read your bible donated 69

04:48:05.240 matthew 5 37 let what you say be simply yes or no anything more than this comes from evil one

04:48:11.700 all right read your bible appreciate the tts very much appreciated no we have uh five more we got five

04:48:20.560 more chats coming in if you guys want the tts has been lowered to 30 30 30 tts streamlabs.com slash

04:48:26.960 whatever if you want to get them until wild donated 30 where is maddie to read these super chats 0.96

04:48:32.300 brian is cutting his staff like california fast food businesses are doing f you knew some uh she's

04:48:39.860 just uh i think she went out of town she'll be a catholic but donated 30 pixie i wish you were as 0.85

04:48:47.340 right as you are passionate i was a progressive idiot and am now a track catholic because i started 0.81

04:48:52.180 reading factual literature read from the austrian school of economics last day he's fair huh

04:48:59.120 raf underscore psa donated 69 dollars see you presented yourself well even if i disagree with

04:49:06.680 a lot of what you speak on debates like this are needed good on both of you enjoyed it will cb doing

04:49:13.960 verbal combat course she needs it but the big the big thing the big thing is is um just don't scream 1.00

04:49:20.800 as much it hurts my face just don't scream as much sorry it's a hispanic in me it's the one

04:49:25.500 stereotype i can adhere to leoism2 donated 30 dollars brixian as a 50th percentile man this scares tf out

04:49:32.780 me no wonder 20 to 40 of men have checked out women like c is the reason why looser men are turning 0.93

04:49:39.420 to ezom slash incel slash red pill ideology ggwp west all right leo thank you for the tts there

04:49:49.260 appreciate it juxtapose 03 donated 69 dollars pixie feel the room closing in on you that's the

04:49:58.960 feeling of getting cornered ideologically by your own circular logic by the way how many injuries do

04:50:04.640 stay at home moms get god bless andrew it's pretty rough pretty rough for them single stay at home or 0.98

04:50:10.420 for them stay at home moms in the injury department sometimes as they get their ass off the couch and 1.00

04:50:16.580 they're moving over towards the fridge they trip it's not their toe it's a rough life optimist prime

04:50:22.300 girl donated 33 dollars housework doesn't have to be hard or a burden in order to be important 0.94

04:50:28.180 you're making a point against yourself working moms could never do this if it was that hard pixie 1.00

04:50:33.300 no echo today no echo

04:50:37.660 i don't know

04:50:40.020 you might you might you might you might have thought that that was a point for you but actually

04:50:48.800 he was dunking on you slightly he was saying you know andrew you're being too charitable by saying

04:50:54.400 that this is even valuable labor to begin with if it was actually difficult women wouldn't even be able 0.98

04:50:58.660 to fucking do it that's what he's actually saying that was very cleverly worded by the way 0.84

04:51:05.180 very cleverly worded if you guys want you can get in your final uh tts messages before we wrap up here 0.98

04:51:13.960 i'm just going to pause it temporarily to allow uh pixie and andrew to make their closing statements

04:51:21.600 so if you guys would like go ahead make your closing statements why don't we have pixie go

04:51:27.100 first and then well she went oh she went first so usually usually the person goes first goes last

04:51:33.260 right okay like maximum fair sure sure right i'm still learning how to do the debate yeah i'm still

04:51:38.020 still learning all right andrew why don't you uh start with your uh so first thank you for coming

04:51:42.240 in i really appreciate it and in the spirit good sportsmanship across the table i appreciate it very

04:51:49.380 much um there was a chick whose hand i wouldn't shake yesterday so i made sure to shake your hand 1.00

04:51:55.000 because i'm i was afraid i'd get the same outcome if i didn't so anyway so back to the closing statement

04:52:01.440 we went all over the place this debate we started we started with um epistemology and foundations of

04:52:08.240 ontology and um it went all over the place when it came to feminism but i did appreciate the spirited 1.00

04:52:13.780 argument back and forth it was a lot of fun for me because i don't get to do it as much as i used to

04:52:18.300 especially with you twitch poll nerds because you guys are fun uh to argue with a couple of points

04:52:24.980 of contention that we had i don't think you demonstrated in any way shape or form that

04:52:29.020 feminism is good your definition of patriarchy really sucked when it came to status because 1.00

04:52:33.640 i was able to demonstrate that women have tons of statuses that men do not and if the case was in

04:52:40.280 the power dynamic i was able to demonstrate that women have much more power in some of these dynamics 1.00

04:52:44.880 than men do so i don't think that that was a really good point for you to make and i thought

04:52:49.620 that got blown out pretty hard i thought on the stay-at-home mom you made the uh valid point of

04:52:56.000 what happens to women though if the marriage goes goes south right what is your answer to this i thought

04:53:03.460 that that was a much better portion of the verbal sparring and that your points were a lot more solid

04:53:07.540 there but going back circling back to the force doctrine of men and women completely wrecked there 0.97

04:53:14.040 fucking insane take to say in any way shape or form that you would invest your life savings in female 0.99

04:53:19.780 prison guards nobody left you're going to fucking believe you including you no fucking way even if 1.00

04:53:23.840 we gave them more accuracy and quicker trigger fingers you would put everything on men every fucking 0.98

04:53:29.980 time and i wouldn't blame you neither would anybody else force doctrine does exist your example of force 0.78

04:53:35.820 doctrine also sucked from the a to b to c guy and the reason was is because there was still implicit

04:53:40.960 force there so we never were able to demonstrate that women could ever really grasp force doctrine 1.00

04:53:45.500 away from men um so just like a lot of your arguments i would probably shore them up but i thought you did

04:53:51.580 pretty good on the last round right i thought that that was some pretty good jousting rest of the

04:53:55.860 debate ah not not not not not the greatest points i ever heard but i do appreciate you being a very

04:54:03.200 spirited interlocutor so i'll just yield with that pixie also god is real and christ is god

04:54:10.040 i just wanted to let you know so obviously we disagreed on a lot of stuff um i still don't agree

04:54:18.100 with how you view power in society although there is explicit force i still think that a lot of it

04:54:24.260 is done in ways that are not just brute force um a lot of power in society is wielded through

04:54:30.660 essentially social contracts or through indirect force essentially um and can be done by just

04:54:36.900 essentially private contracts to a level um i appreciated our conversation overall i think um

04:54:45.780 what is it yeah i'm trying to think about specifics but honestly i'm just very very hungry right now so

04:54:53.060 it's hard and you owe us in and out i do not think i owe you in and out but i am going to get

04:55:00.680 pizza afterwards and we'll treat you guys to a slice if you want a slice yes a slice a singular

04:55:07.500 singular slice it'll be a sad slice too i'm gonna pick the saddest one each one slice of pizza also you

04:55:13.000 can't get a salad at the pizza place well you can it's just like it's just a whole tomato with lettuce

04:55:17.900 no have you seen that family guy yeah totally it's exactly like lettuce so yeah what's your

04:55:24.280 closing is go you gotta finish your clothes but yeah i appreciated the conversation i do think you

04:55:29.620 made good points i am very tired um but thank you so much for being here for being good sport um

04:55:37.260 and for making this a fun time good i'm glad you glad you had a good time all right great we'll allow

04:55:44.960 those i just got a feeling we're gonna end up covering dinner though i just know it i just

04:55:48.880 fucking know it's female privilege brian thank you all uh all of you out there and the whatever

04:55:55.360 podcast i know we weren't able to restream to the crucible tonight because there was another debate 0.97

04:56:00.420 that was going on there that was pre-scheduled i think rachel's streaming is she did was she able

04:56:05.500 to i don't know i i don't know exactly the particulars i i thought that there was another

04:56:10.060 debate going on there tonight but i do appreciate everybody in the whatever audience coming out

04:56:13.700 showing support for the stream and of course to the host brian atlas for having us moderating

04:56:18.660 very kind of course i will allow the last ttss to flow through and then we will wrap the show

04:56:23.780 with ghost donated 30 the stay-at-home mom is getting a salary it's called her husband's income 0.77

04:56:31.140 or do you think we don't give our wives money to buy what she needs also life insurance and accident 0.68

04:56:36.880 slash disability insurance the underscore bomb donated 69 comment on the bomb debate when asked

04:56:45.960 to join the manhattan project lisa minor said i will have nothing to do with the bomb not a question

04:56:51.180 of capability women not inclined to do certain things i would also argue not capable of doing 1.00

04:56:57.280 certain things honestly but at least not in mass

04:57:00.480 the bomb really appreciate your tts thank you tried catholic spud donated 30 dollars i hope that

04:57:08.440 theotalkus will guide you away from the progressive crowd thank you both for being respectful i am happy

04:57:13.760 to see you both speak in a relatively cordial manner god bless to you all

04:57:17.680 intel wild donated 30 million her voice is extremely annoying but pixie please stay away from the blue 1.00

04:57:27.380 haired kumar gremlin cock guy named destiny uh intel wild thank you for that roman hispanic donated 30 0.62

04:57:36.640 dollars we was job hoppers and she i e eat working as baristas and she i eat making cash and shy 0.95

04:57:43.440 by the way nice haircut andrew i didn't get a haircut oh you just haven't seen my

04:57:50.300 nemesis donated 30 dollars imagine being a parental engineer w andrew w brixton oh seven to the both of

04:57:58.560 you oh seven thank you nemesis good to see you in the chat that's one of our mods shout out to nemesis

04:58:04.620 thank you man appreciate it well she donated 30 dollars the wine drunk housewife meme is a meme for a

04:58:09.860 reason love you andrew but i had a manager who was married to a billionaire's ugly daughter and would 0.98

04:58:14.760 cheat all the time make divorce shamed again hey pointing to the outlier doesn't make it true 30 0.92

04:58:20.940 donated 30 dollars and 69 cents no offensive but see you ugly 304 i'm not sure why you have an ego 0.91

04:58:27.460 you are nothing except one night stand anyway 69 69 you lose 69 69 free andrew tate hey

04:58:34.100 husband understrich and understrich father donated 30 dollar i am venturing i guess that a lot of men

04:58:41.600 would go through hell and do all day every day if it meant they had a loving family at home and a wife

04:58:47.060 that supported them in that context because they do do that now intelville donated 30 dollar

04:58:52.160 how would pixie feel if she didn't have breakfast this morning how would you feel if you didn't have

04:58:56.640 breakfast this morning i didn't i figured you'd feel that way what was the cool voice that 0.98

04:59:05.640 motherfucker donated 30 dollars i know you're doing that hypothetical thing but put yapping with that 1.00

04:59:09.760 human pillsbury dough boy and show the whopping that fatty drop it drop it low girl bust down 1.00

04:59:15.920 thadiana what that mouth do though what the fuck wrap underscore psa donated 50 dollars brian you didn't 1.00

04:59:24.460 lint roll see once just saying would you rather be in the woods without a lint roller 0.99

04:59:28.740 which one brian without the lint roller or a bear without the without the rent rent lint roller of

04:59:39.280 course really i thought you would take the bear donated 30 dollars i called my boss construction

04:59:45.160 isn't challenging enough timber framing still erecting be damned i'm going to be a stay-at-home mom the

04:59:51.840 hardest job in the world hardest job in the world mr boulay donated 30 dollars mr boulay pixie i'm

04:59:59.120 disappointed in you you conceded the argument for only prisons the business plan was set investors

05:00:05.740 lined up including wes watson and our first big sponsor tactical soap good show guys thank you mr

05:00:11.280 boulay dane underscore snyder donated 30 dollars my wife is a refinery mechanic 17 years no sexual

05:00:19.600 harassment doesn't flirt giggle have inappropriate conversations acts like a lady treated like one 1.00

05:00:26.880 dane underscore snyder donated 30 dollars appreciate it my wife is kind gentle loving agreeable fit

05:00:35.460 feminine friendly if she went hot i'd never have known that there you go dane thank you man bb donated

05:00:44.460 thank you appreciate it andrew based on your world view you are saying that the christian god

05:00:48.480 are real because that is just what you believe to be objective truth how does someone as logical as

05:00:53.220 yourself believe that low it's like you didn't even hear what i said in my intro what i said was that

05:00:59.960 the ability to having a unerring meaning knowledge itself i believe that the necessary precondition to

05:01:08.180 even have knowledge is that you have something you can appeal to which is unchanging that is the

05:01:14.700 argument the philosophical proof for god which by the way if you noticed what pixie said which she was

05:01:20.920 like but i have knowledge of all of these things because of my subject even the box that she put 0.90

05:01:26.060 herself in and said do you agree that i have knowledge inside of this box even that is a knowledge

05:01:30.360 claim right the precondition for us to even have a conversation is based around the idea that we can know

05:01:36.380 something from a standard which is unchanging subjectivists can't how can you even have

05:01:41.140 coherent conversations with them if they can give you no standard from which is unchanging for us to

05:01:46.700 even make knowledge claims it makes no sense to me that is logic it's called the transcendental

05:01:52.460 argument for god to learn it okay let me see if there's any others coming through we are going to do a

05:02:00.400 quick twitch raid here let me get that going real quick we will do a raid on bobcat we're not going

05:02:07.040 to pull it up though all right uh i think that's it for all the uh all the chats guys uh but thank

05:02:13.800 you for the super chat by the way yeah guys thank you for all the uh support tonight really appreciate

05:02:18.480 it uh thank you for your patronage means the world 30 donated 30 dollars and 69 cents 304 see the 1.00

05:02:25.460 eastern world aka russia who was white europeans but not western washed laughs at your stupidity 0.99

05:02:30.580 feminist okay thank you 30 do you want to respond oh george take we donated 30 dollars hey guys it was 1.00

05:02:39.360 so nice meeting you hey it was nice to meet you too man good to meet you today man uh all right i think

05:02:46.120 we're all caught up uh let me just do my little outro here one sec guys okay gg well played to uh

05:02:54.300 the panel say so nz donated 30 dollars wtf the laws of nature are unchanging and fixed zero evidence

05:03:02.940 for god or why that would be any standard of logic there are so many gods and none have any evidence

05:03:07.620 quick response until wild donated 30 dollars pixie how old are you and why haven't you found a husband 1.00

05:03:15.820 by now gonna have your first kid at 33 pixie i'll have you answer that then andrew can answer the

05:03:20.900 previous one god um i'm 25 and i don't want to get married until i am closer to 30 for a couple of

05:03:28.980 reasons i also don't want to get divorced um you can have one kid i want three kids you're gonna have

05:03:35.120 one kid to get married 31 i have most of my family got married around that time and has had multiple

05:03:39.900 children so we'll see what happens most of your family got married at 30 and had multiple children

05:03:44.540 yeah absolutely how many members of your family are we talking here i have um like 14 first cousins

05:03:51.820 most of my uncles and aunts got married like around 30 and have had like three children i'm not joking

05:03:58.160 yeah i just okay and then there's the one that came in right before that andrew i don't know if you

05:04:03.740 had something quick on that one which one was it uh zero evidence for god there are so many gods

05:04:11.380 so many gods yeah i know but the the concession is just that the prerequisite for knowledge would

05:04:16.280 require a god we just start there before we get into the rest of it dylan hefner donated 30

05:04:24.700 andrew was the goat the brian slash andrew duo added again ask pixie would you rather be alone in the

05:04:32.160 woods with a bear or with andrew p.s pixie you were way better than the psycho last night way better 1.00

05:04:37.220 yeah how was the psycho is she just yelling she was a fucking nutter butter she was she was crazier 1.00

05:04:43.060 than well she was fucking crazy apparently the person i was going to raid just went offline so 0.99

05:04:48.020 i'm going to have to raid somebody else on twitch who do we have so bear bear or andrew i'd pick you 0.94

05:04:53.100 andrew oh that's you all right those of you who are still with us on twitch i don't know what

05:04:57.520 happened with the raid we will send it over but i wouldn't do anything that's the thing right i would

05:05:01.700 just be like you're supposed to do all the fucking work all right all right guys uh well so gg well 0.92

05:05:08.040 played uh last call hit the like button please on the video catholic spud donated 30 pixie you will 0.99

05:05:16.580 regret not being married and starting a family now as a catholic i have regretted not being married yet

05:05:22.260 and divorce is not allowed all right trad catholic spud appreciate it i mean any thoughts on that pixie

05:05:30.000 divorce definitely is allowed by catholics they just pretend that it's not divorce but 0.52

05:05:33.820 it's yeah most definitely divorce they just kind of do this weird cope where they're like

05:05:38.760 annul no we just were never married for the 10 years we were married and have children

05:05:43.180 all right that's kind of a weird cope dude you know it's a cope you know that that's a catholic cope

05:05:50.200 i do want to thank everybody for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're

05:05:53.980 here with us i appreciate that thank you to everyone who so generously super chats donates and

05:05:59.080 supports the show thank you guys uh it's very uh very generous of all of you you know a lot of our

05:06:06.280 videos get demonetized etc so i really appreciate it uh we don't do get we get almost no sponsorship so

05:06:12.900 this show is primarily fan funded uh so appreciate it guys thank you so much we will be live again

05:06:19.000 sunday at 5 p.m pacific with another dating talk unfortunately i think i don't know if i announced

05:06:26.080 this but the two girls we were or the one girl who was on the dating talk on tuesday that we were

05:06:30.920 trying to set andrew up with for for debate not for uh anyways um she likes women anyways so uh she

05:06:39.140 just sent me uh paragraphs and novels and she backed out uh she i guess sparred with some of you guys in

05:06:47.680 the comments section and so uh in any case she's entirely backed out but with that said uh we are

05:06:55.220 rating s fond over there oh just rated him uh over there on twitch let me just double check everything

05:07:01.740 like the video one more time until wild donated 30 okay pixie that clock is ticking tick tock tock

05:07:07.880 tock and by the way um it's still a lot of extra content from the whatever this week for sure

05:07:14.520 tons of extra content oh we got last one ron donated 30 pixie if you want a last minute one

05:07:21.940 put pineapple on that pizza that would be an instant win that's true because i would never eat it

05:07:27.360 and neither would brian if i'm hungry enough you know if i'm hungry enough okay guys well i hope you

05:07:34.540 guys have a good night uh thank you again to uh both of you for joining us today for the debate

05:07:38.860 oh sevens in the chat uh when pixie was talking about labor jobs my wife was shouting this blank 1.00

05:07:47.180 don't know she she do you want to respond to that pixie no i want food okay uh all right dane thank 0.99

05:07:55.440 you very much appreciate let me just make sure there's no another coming through okay i think

05:07:59.360 that's it like the videos uh like the video guys on your way out oh sevens in the chat i hope you guys

05:08:04.300 have a very good night we'll see you on sunday good night guys

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Whatever Podcast - August 03, 2024

Andrew Wilson vs. Pxie (Feminist) HEATED DEBATE! ｜ Whatever Debates #8

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