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00:01:08.680 and prompts for today you will each have a five minute opening statement where you will introduce

00:01:13.740 yourself as you like and then the rest of the show will be open conversation with some prompt changes

00:01:20.160 and breaks for messages from the audience and then you will each have a five minute closing statement

00:01:26.760 and you're going to open so go ahead my name is rafael gomez i'm the host of women on men where i

00:01:32.960 interview women about men and dating and here's my opening statement i'm not here to fight men i'm here

00:01:39.580 to fight for them because the red pill is presented as medicine but it's actually a poison and peer-reviewed

00:01:45.180 research proves it red pill and men's fear content preys on angry rejected men and turns their pain

00:01:51.040 into blame it tells them women are the enemy that dating is a war and they're losing that feminism

00:01:57.260 ruined everything the very people they want to date become their adversaries and it's easier to buy into

00:02:02.900 that story than to look inward but the science is clear studies consistently show that red pill

00:02:08.500 communities promote hostile sexism dehumanize women and radicalize male pain into misogyny

00:02:13.980 and to top it off it's not helping them date either men who endorse red pill beliefs report higher

00:02:19.560 levels of loneliness romantic dissatisfaction and psychological distress but the consequences are

00:02:25.000 real and deadly just a short drive from this studio elliot roger murders six people at uc santa barbara

00:02:31.040 with the manifesto filled with hatred for women don't do that don't do what don't do the manifesto

00:02:39.060 don't do that for youtube purposes like just skip that part or maybe okay you already made the point go ahead

00:02:45.280 okay and he became a martyr for red pill communities a symbol of what happens when male pain festers into

00:02:51.220 violence for all the lectures about female nature and alpha dominance red pill men aren't forming real

00:02:56.500 relationships they're staying single bitter and stuck the more they consume this content the worse their life

00:03:02.180 gets not because women changed but because they did in the end it leaves them lonely angry and blaming

00:03:08.400 everyone but the ideology that failed them just this week andrew called real red pill creators degenerates

00:03:15.320 for pushing casual sex discouraging marriage and obsessing over status yet here he is today defending

00:03:21.360 that same ecosystem he also said that the divide between men and women is a good thing because he believes

00:03:27.060 women will cave first andrew wants to keep that division wide because it serves his personal

00:03:31.960 crusade to eradicate feminism even if it means sacrificing the well-being of the very men he

00:03:37.180 claims to protect that's my opening statement okay so i'll respond a few things by the way my name is

00:03:45.820 andrew wilson the host of the crucible uh welcome to our well actually thank you guys for having me

00:03:53.320 especially the whatever podcast chat always nice to be back with you guys and of course the crucible

00:03:58.780 crew uh thank my opponent for coming out as well for this um so the first thing is you mentioned that

00:04:05.240 the the red pill is poison uh and women are enemies adversaries i think that you're making a very classic

00:04:11.900 mistake that many people make which is that you're associating content creators and their views with what

00:04:18.740 the red pill is and so maybe we can get in what you think the red pill actually is sure

00:04:22.200 um so you say that um the red pill is making men stay single and uh and stay miserable etc etc

00:04:33.500 uh we can get into that too uh i actually didn't say that uh red pillars were degenerates and i'm

00:04:40.060 guessing that you're referencing the pearl davis debate uh no you said this on your channel you were

00:04:44.040 talking to a gentleman on your own channel i can't remember he was talking on an ipad you didn't like

00:04:48.040 the sound it was something you posted i think tuesday okay yeah yeah so um there are a lot of

00:04:54.340 degenerates who are red pillars but i didn't i wouldn't make the claim that the red pill to me

00:05:00.540 is just a descriptive packet uh and you say that andrew wants uh feminism to be destroyed at the

00:05:07.180 expensive men it's the opposite i want feminism to be destroyed because i think that that protects

00:05:12.120 and helps and assists men so i'm talking about a gender divide um what what i'm what i'm disassociating

00:05:18.460 is that there needs to be when i say gender divide women in the role of female gender roles and men in

00:05:24.640 the role of male gender roles so that's the divide i'm looking at now i'm not looking at a divide of uh

00:05:30.780 like men and women not being close to each other i'm looking at the divide if i don't want uh sameness

00:05:36.560 when it comes to gender roles because that's really bad and it does not suit society very well

00:05:41.480 so um kind of with that i'm happy to just kind of dive into whatever you want here sure um so i know

00:05:48.700 you say the red pill is kind of this ideology but red pill not an ideology whatever word you used um

00:05:55.660 it's a packet it's a data packet i've heard you say that i understand um but the only way that

00:06:00.640 message is really disseminated is often through these big content creators most of the people come

00:06:04.700 across a red pill from things like fresh and fit andrew tate this channel um it's that's how that

00:06:11.220 packet is distributed and there are prescriptive messages how did they come across it i don't know

00:06:15.500 the internet is the internet the algorithm do you think they made it up do i think who made it up

00:06:19.920 that those red pill creators that you're talking about do you think that they just made all that

00:06:23.200 stuff no i don't i think there's too many similar messages for it to be made up yeah so there's like

00:06:27.200 sources for this stuff right it's wherever they're sourcing it from i'm not sure but they're

00:06:31.020 disseminating one such source would be a guy his name is rollo tomasi um the godfather of the red

00:06:37.820 pill he's going to be pissed that i said that because it's like an ongoing meme but um he calls

00:06:43.820 it a praxeology right so if it's if it's praxeological from his perspective he's saying

00:06:50.460 there's no prescriptions here right it's not it's not designed around prescriptors it's designed

00:06:55.760 around descriptors so if you're going to criticize the red pill you should probably start by

00:07:01.000 criticizing the descriptors um but if you wanted to criticize individual content creators for their

00:07:07.300 prescriptions i think that that's fine but that's not the red pill the red pill is a data packet of

00:07:13.500 descriptions which are trying to to express and explain interpersonal sexual dynamics between men

00:07:19.660 and women i think the gentleman you mentioned most people haven't heard of um i think most people

00:07:24.380 have heard of them i think most of the people are getting their information from the millions of

00:07:28.160 subscriptions to fresh and fit and whatever and fresh and fit he goes on often they have a very

00:07:34.060 close myron gains i'm sure is much more popular than him yeah well the thing is is like maybe but

00:07:40.120 myron gains is not are you saying he's the red pill i think he's one of them okay so what so what

00:07:45.240 let's start with that what is the red pill i consider it content that claims to reveal the truth about

00:07:49.740 women but promotes misogyny and male victimhood okay so um you think that the descriptors do that

00:07:57.540 i think the content creators that are prescribing what so it's not so it's not about so it's about

00:08:03.460 content creators sure you just think that so there's just content creators who you disagree with

00:08:07.860 their message um the majority of the red pill content creators i disagree with their message

00:08:12.700 well okay but okay well what's the majority like how many do you think there are the most popular of

00:08:17.860 the bunch the ones that have the most viewers subscribers okay so who are these guys that

00:08:21.680 you're talking about um fresh and fit is a big one andrew tate is another one and whatever podcast is

00:08:25.800 another one fresh fit

00:08:27.500 date and whatever so here's an easy one i guess let's start with whatever because i'm intricate

00:08:37.900 i'm pretty familiar with the content here um so what is the message that's being put out there

00:08:45.100 um there's a lot of misogynics the messages that come out of this podcast and i have let's start

00:08:49.720 with what is misogyny misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women the active dislike of women

00:08:55.840 uh plural women yeah correct the entire so not the active dislike of a woman no not typically so it's

00:09:03.720 just women yeah okay so misogyny is the active hatred or dislike of women yeah got it all right

00:09:09.360 and fresh and fit is another big let's start with whatever okay yeah so what is the misogyny or the

00:09:16.540 dislike of women which is promoted on this channel every day it's presented as a dating podcast but

00:09:21.100 it's really not um the topics that typically come up on this podcast what makes it not a dating

00:09:25.960 podcast i'm about to go into that oh okay go ahead um a dating podcast should not discuss whether or

00:09:31.500 not women should be submissive whether women should vote on sunday sunday show you ask women how many

00:09:37.660 pumps after they tell you to stop is it grape that's not a dating podcast that's one of the

00:09:42.600 craziest questions i've ever heard um you basically say divorce hurts men marriage is pointless i don't

00:09:49.300 know how that's helping your audience i don't know how military conscription has anything to do with a

00:09:53.400 dating podcast i don't know how uh you know guests being shown a submissive ex-girlfriend and saying

00:10:00.040 would you bow to your husband would you bow to your husband that's not a dating podcast that is

00:10:04.460 promoting hatred of women and misogyny as well female guests are pressured to reveal their body

00:10:09.880 count and then mocked if they don't reveal they're interrogated until they reveal um women with only

00:10:16.600 fans are moralized and told to quit um male promiscuity is excused and celebrated um women are asked about

00:10:23.880 their peak looks age and questioned incessantly segments like man bear versus woods mock women's very

00:10:30.240 real fears about male violence even though statistical realities are ignored and dismissed as irrational

00:10:36.060 um the super chat roast um the guests love to shit on these women every chance they get

00:10:41.940 and on this show feminism and women are blamed for most of men's problems

00:10:45.860 and i have a do you have a copy of that i'd like to see it the thing because you just shotgunned a

00:10:55.860 bunch of points and andrew might you want yeah you can have it one by one i also have peer-reviewed

00:11:00.580 studies if you want those too yeah if you have uh any especially if they have a meta-analysis i'd like

00:11:05.660 to see them and and just to be before you give your response andrew my understanding here for the

00:11:10.500 the debate was primarily going to be about feminism not specific criticisms of the well i mean this is

00:11:17.020 the prompts were about manosphere and red pill yeah so this is i'm actually fine with this right so

00:11:23.960 um why it's not a really a dating podcast whether women should be submissive um why i don't understand

00:11:31.560 why would that not be relational to dating what does submission have to do with dating well because

00:11:37.720 dating is a especially on a dating show you would be significantly talking about people's preferences

00:11:42.820 when it came to the the social experiences they're having with the opposite sex you're not talking

00:11:48.000 about your preferences you're talking about their preferences because when you talk about submission

00:11:51.180 you're talking about from your worldview women should be submissive okay but what from their worldview

00:11:55.540 that they could also have maybe a counter to that why they shouldn't or uh also a lot of them say yes

00:12:00.940 they should so the idea here for submission especially would be i don't i don't see how that's not dating

00:12:07.120 related i i don't know how submission comes up on any sort of date i don't know if you've ever been

00:12:11.660 on a date in the last 20 years okay so if i ask you what type of woman do you want and you go through

00:12:19.960 the traits and you say i'd also like a submissive woman does that make sense to say as a trait sure

00:12:25.240 i don't know many people that would just offer that up as one of the first things they want a woman but

00:12:28.920 maybe those are the people you hang out with who said is the first if you're at if i'm asking if you

00:12:32.520 ask somebody i'm asking what's your dynamic and one of the answers is a submissive woman yeah that

00:12:37.920 comes up all the time for men in dating okay in your circles perhaps i mean no just in what it

00:12:44.060 well how many dating podcast sample sizes do you have here i listen i'm i'm on a dating podcast i made

00:12:50.400 one i listen to a lot i listen to a lot of your shows i listen to a lot of everything that's out

00:12:53.780 there i don't understand any of the dating podcasts that come up when you ask men yeah their preference

00:12:59.280 they've never once says i would prefer to have a woman who's more submissive the topic of submission

00:13:03.860 only comes up on red pill podcast no it doesn't only come up where else does it come up it's been

00:13:08.940 on dr phil it's been everywhere dr phil talks about submission every episode every episode i didn't

00:13:13.860 say every episode he's not doing a dating is he doing a dating podcast don't mention dr phil's a

00:13:18.560 dating show then doing don't mention dr phil's a dating show that's not a dating show you asked where

00:13:22.940 else it's mentioned as a dating show that is not a dating yeah so in any in any case any of the

00:13:27.920 dating podcasts that i've seen is a very common answer to say if they want to name another dating

00:13:32.040 podcast and here's the other thing to dive into this name another dating here's the other thing

00:13:35.640 to dive into this well you got to name another dating podcast okay fresh and fit happens there

00:13:38.900 all red pill content exactly as i said okay so when you're talking about a dating podcast what do you

00:13:44.460 mean by that something a little less i don't know misogynistic perhaps what does that mean though

00:13:49.240 i've already explained it to you and defined it if any man has it has a dating podcast is it

00:13:54.560 uh red pill i have a dating podcast and it's not misogynistic i see and let me ask you a question

00:13:59.320 what kind of questions you ask in your dating podcast i ask them what are their priorities in

00:14:03.000 a man i ask them do you have advice for men and how many uh how many men have you had on zero it's

00:14:08.660 called women on men oh i see so you're a misandrist absolutely not well i don't understand why don't

00:14:13.520 you want a man's opinion because i want to ask women specifically that has nothing misandry involves

00:14:18.180 hate i don't hate men oh okay i got it so so you only have on women correct and you don't ask them

00:14:23.940 when you ask them about preferences yeah right did they say that they want things like assertive men

00:14:29.740 no do they say that they want less assertive men i give them a list of 10 traits and say rank these

00:14:35.620 between your top three and your bottom three okay so you're you're giving them the answers i'm not

00:14:40.520 giving them the answers they take a lot of time to think about it but you just said you gave them

00:14:44.480 10 traits yeah that's not the answers those are options yeah that's the answers that are options you

00:14:50.180 can choose from it's a multiple choice that's not answers yes it's answers okay their answers

00:14:55.120 andrew yeah you give them 10 answers and say choose from these and then they sort them yeah but that

00:14:59.520 doesn't mean that's their answers you're making them choose from answers that you give them okay so

00:15:03.180 you're literally feeding them their answers and then they choose them yep and they don't come and say

00:15:07.840 man i wish you would have had this on well how can why is it then well how long have you been

00:15:11.300 doing it can we get back yeah no can we get back to misogynistic podcast if it is the case can we get

00:15:15.600 back to misogynistic podcast no we're not it is the case that it is your criticism can we get back

00:15:19.960 to misogynistic if you're gonna have criticisms for whatever i'm gonna have criticisms for your

00:15:22.980 podcast you haven't even listened to it so don't don't talk about it do i need to pull it up and

00:15:26.520 listen to it to it from you go ahead pull it up on youtube i can listen to it go ahead and pull it

00:15:30.060 up on youtube you have not watched my podcast so don't sit here we're not going to critique my

00:15:33.240 podcast why not because you haven't even watched it let's watch it go ahead pull it up so if we

00:15:37.520 pull up 45 minutes 45 minutes 45 minutes put on two times speed and then we can critique my podcast but

00:15:43.160 until then tell me about another yeah non-misogynistic red pill podcast well i don't think any of those

00:15:47.680 are misogynistic podcasts yeah of course not you got to demonstrate that they actually hate these

00:15:51.420 women by their actions by the things everything that's happening right there so so let's go through

00:15:56.900 some more of these when myron gains has a has a college uh table that says women deserve less

00:16:02.660 you don't think that's a little misogynistic is that during his podcast he is one of the red pill

00:16:08.040 content creators that we're talking about be a podcast dude i thought i had to be a podcast

00:16:12.960 can you act like an adult that is the most childish thing i've ever seen in my whole life

00:16:17.660 you put the you gave me the criteria the criteria is the content creators including myron gains yes

00:16:22.220 i've always said that so nothing's changed so as we're talking about dating podcasts the idea of

00:16:27.120 dating correct is it also possible there's just not that many yeah there's not a lot of red pill

00:16:31.440 podcasts no no just dating podcasts there's a ton of dating okay name some mine name some other ones

00:16:37.180 um there's a guy named man we're in trouble um there's um ev edit there's uh ev edits a uh dating

00:16:47.020 podcast yeah she talks about dating and men and say dating podcast though yes so they have this

00:16:53.100 isn't a dating podcast so they have this isn't a dating podcast so on ev edit they have uh every

00:16:58.680 single time they come on they have multitudes of people on with them and all they talk about

00:17:02.360 necessarily say they have guests i'm not talking about the format i'm saying that's what the content

00:17:05.920 that comes up is men and women and this is not a dating podcast that we're currently so you're just

00:17:09.420 talking about for you a dating podcast just anybody who's talking about dating this is not a dating

00:17:15.200 podcast that we're currently on well prove it i just did how let's go through more you want me to

00:17:21.340 read them so here why don't we do the first one whether women should be submissive i don't i don't

00:17:26.920 understand how again how would that not yeah actually how would that not be a decent question

00:17:33.720 to ask for dating i don't get you ask on your first dates what if a woman would be submissive yeah

00:17:38.720 no exactly because it's not a dating question why would that wait hang on let's back up let's assume

00:17:44.360 for a second that anything that i would ask a woman on the first date isn't something you would ask

00:17:49.460 a woman on the first date what does that prove i'm saying the things you guys do how do you think

00:17:53.580 you're gonna look better in 10 years do you think you're gonna look better in 10 years is that

00:17:56.780 something you ask on the date my question what's your body count you ask that on the first date

00:18:00.040 can you answer my question you ask what's a body count on the first date before it before you start

00:18:03.460 yeah you have different questions before you start shotgunning questions you have different

00:18:06.840 questions i'll never answer one of yours if you never answer one of mine go ahead andrew so so here

00:18:11.760 here we go again what does it actually prove what does it prove that if i asked a whole sequence of

00:18:19.600 different questions from you on my first date what does that prove yeah you're not asking these

00:18:25.680 questions on your first can you answer my question did what does it prove it proves that you're not

00:18:29.940 asking these questions so it doesn't prove anything it does prove it what does it prove that you're not

00:18:33.880 asking these kinds of questions on your first date what is that proving outside of that it proves that

00:18:39.460 these are more misogynistic does it also hang on does it also prove that i don't ask any other

00:18:43.420 questions other people would ask that you're not asking here i have no idea if it proves like it's just so

00:18:47.420 stupid dude it proves nothing okay what does it prove what do those questions prove nothing they

00:18:53.420 don't prove anything okay this is just a pure dating podcast dating is about your preferences

00:18:59.280 anecdotes experiences yeah it's about how many pumps after she says stop is grape that's a dating

00:19:04.800 podcast do you think that when people hold on answer that question i'll answer it i don't think

00:19:08.860 you are you have to stop talking i can't answer it so stop talking okay i'll answer it is it the

00:19:15.000 case that when you have uh you know half a dozen people who are sitting at a table and they're

00:19:19.960 building a rapport with each other that they crack jokes you think that's a joke yeah how many pumps

00:19:25.200 after a woman says stop is a grape is a joke yeah who laughs at that uh lots of people i think it's

00:19:29.840 funny i i'm not surprised i think it's funny i think you think it's funny i'm sure you think it's

00:19:33.960 funny it is funny but do you know why it's funny what makes it funny because you're a little

00:19:37.240 misogynistic no no no it's because a feminist on this program uh-huh a few months ago i remember i

00:19:42.620 saw yeah yeah so i don't so it's a call back to that it's not a call back to that yeah it's a

00:19:46.740 call back to that because that was not about stopping yeah it was about consent yeah but that

00:19:50.580 was about your wife sleeping and you banging her while she's sleeping but that does if she says stop

00:19:54.980 and you keep going is that consent that well the idea there is how long after is is are you violating

00:20:00.740 consent that's the idea yeah that's a dating podcast topic right of course no yeah of course people

00:20:04.840 talk about that all the time right do you think that in the age in this modern age where

00:20:10.120 intersexual and interpersonal dynamics between men and women are so fucked up and they are

00:20:14.780 fucked up you're contributing right do you think that the idea when you have tons of people who are

00:20:20.620 out there talking about consent do you have feminist academics who are talking about if two people are

00:20:25.300 drunk and they have sex are actually technically raping each other raping each other right do you

00:20:29.560 really think that these are inappropriate questions to ask during a dating podcast in modernity

00:20:34.640 i absolutely believe it's inappropriate to say how many pumps after a woman says stop is it grape

00:20:41.200 yeah why it's inappropriate why because it should just well how many she says stop tell me how many

00:20:45.280 i'm not going to answer that question you're not going to answer it no because it's a stupid ass

00:20:47.840 question i don't know i think it's a fair question of course you do because you're misogynistic what's

00:20:50.940 misogynistic about it because that is great you're talking about grape in such a light-hearted manner

00:20:54.920 how does that just answer the question how does that prove i hate women dude we can go down the list

00:20:59.720 of things you've said go down the list out of your 5 000 debates go down the list do you like

00:21:04.720 women at all love them oh you love them sure yeah yeah you know you know i know it's so funny to

00:21:09.720 talk about you know how i know it's so funny do you know i know i like them more than you the fact

00:21:13.060 that you would laugh at a great question shows that you don't like women i laugh oh hang on hang

00:21:16.900 on are you saying i hate men because i laugh about prison grape no you don't i don't get it

00:21:21.100 though that's a double standard you don't hate men you don't you love you only care about men

00:21:25.240 so if i make light of a man getting raped yeah you don't see that's that's fine you don't see

00:21:30.340 it the same and it's not you don't see it i don't know how do i see it you tell me you see women is

00:21:33.940 so much less than prove it i'm looking for the demonstration not the assertion just watch just

00:21:38.720 watch just watch the assertion just watch andrew's videos just watch it yeah exactly yeah don't prove

00:21:44.580 no evidence just watch yeah no i'm making it up i'm making it up so just tell me real quick

00:21:48.880 how can you uh affirm that i hate women because i might make light of a grape joke for women but i

00:21:56.160 don't hate men if i make light of a grape joke for men i'm not sure you know i know you're not sure

00:22:00.100 because that makes no fucking sense okay so moving on to the next one um as we go through this uh

00:22:07.440 whether women should vote so in modernity women's voting habits right uh have a lot to do with the

00:22:14.720 modern state of society don't they sure and they have to do with um with the state of of people who

00:22:21.880 want maybe patriarchy or they want highly religious women who allow men to lead uh or women who will

00:22:28.380 turn over their ability to vote to their own husband and say you just tell me where to vote yeah

00:22:32.880 you agree with all of that sure okay so then why wouldn't it be pertinent to ask women what they

00:22:39.780 think about women's voting patterns and voting habits because you talk about revoking the right

00:22:45.060 for women to vote so so it's just just an easy conversation don't people have should women

00:22:49.680 vote that's just something that people talk about around their dinner table right it's okay do you

00:22:53.660 think that was an easy conversation when you were talking about whether or not it was okay for white

00:22:58.320 women to vote to date black men i think what was an easy conversation that conversation sure pre

00:23:04.280 pre-miscegenation was pretty hard conversation right but do you think that it was pertinent to dating at the

00:23:08.820 time sure okay so then if that was pertinent to dating at the time and they were talking about

00:23:14.040 all the reasons you should or shouldn't do this the danger and it's a political and it's a political

00:23:17.960 ideology yeah but on both sides right why is it not appropriate for us to have a conversation about

00:23:24.340 women's voting patterns when it comes to relationships it's not women's voting patterns it's

00:23:28.760 should women vote yeah that's not about patterns yeah that is the question about women well how would

00:23:33.600 you determine if they should or shouldn't i just think everyone should oh you just think that yeah

00:23:38.420 tell me why i don't need to you don't need to no okay so the thing is is um i'll i'll just i'll just

00:23:45.320 release you from this i'll just let you skip out on giving me no justification for why everybody

00:23:50.360 should be able to vote i don't i don't need what i want to know i would like to know you don't need

00:23:54.360 one i don't need a justification i don't need justification i don't need justification to ask

00:23:58.420 a woman uh if if she thinks other women should have the right to vote in order for me to judge whether

00:24:03.200 or not she's a submissive woman or not sure but that's not a dating topic that's just you being if i want to

00:24:07.140 judge that's just you being political you guys push your conservative agenda on this channel and

00:24:11.060 that's what you do do you think that i want to live in it well i do yeah you do and that's not

00:24:15.000 my channel jim bob i know because homie just sits back and chills brian's chilling he's eating popcorn

00:24:20.060 while you ask these questions yeah it's right i mean i literally have made it's his podcast it's a

00:24:25.100 never made any qualms that i'm here to represent my worldview i know but it's a dating podcast you're

00:24:29.500 asking these crazy questions they're not crazy they're absolutely should women vote is a crazy

00:24:34.060 question in 2025 can i also ask you this do you think that men and women getting and when they're

00:24:41.080 in relationships get into political arguments often sure constantly right i mean theoretically

00:24:46.540 if you're dating somebody with the same values you're not if you marry if you marry a woman

00:24:50.240 and she votes against your vote would that create marital issues maybe but i don't think you probably

00:24:57.940 would have ever married that person to begin with because you don't probably not you know why

00:25:01.300 because you asked her what she thought about the right to vote and she said i want women to have

00:25:05.140 the right to vote and so he didn't fucking marry her he didn't date her because she doesn't align

00:25:08.960 with you politically does that you know do you know people that do that do you know people that say

00:25:13.300 i won't marry this woman because she thinks i won't marry an overly assertive woman who thinks

00:25:18.040 that she's going to be politically dominant my home of course doesn't do about politically

00:25:21.080 dominant you said if i ask a woman do you think women should vote and she says yes i'm not going

00:25:25.880 to date that person and then but hang on but then you ask her why no i don't ask her i know but if

00:25:30.740 you were going to date her you should no because i think women should vote i know you think that and

00:25:35.980 you're not every man who lives wow how many men don't think women should vote i have no idea but at

00:25:42.180 least a significant significant amount yeah i do but give me a percentage of how i have no idea throw

00:25:47.200 it out you're a smart guy that would be impossible throw it out you're a smart guy you can you can

00:25:51.260 assume how many men you want a number throw a percentage in your gut in your heart of hearts how many men

00:25:55.520 don't want women to vote i'll throw that out if you throw out how many do okay okay you first how

00:26:00.860 many men want how many men want women to vote i say at least 90 based on men i know so that's it

00:26:07.460 yeah so based on exactly just like i'm asking you to do yeah that's why i wouldn't give you one yeah

00:26:12.060 because i don't deal in anecdotes no no we don't deal in anecdotes at all you deal in anecdotes all

00:26:16.280 the time but no i don't unless you're asking me about something anecdotal okay so anyway um yeah

00:26:22.200 there's no reason there's actually no good reason that you've given me yet for why it's not pertinent

00:26:27.000 inside of a man's dating life if he wants a submissive woman why he she wouldn't be politically

00:26:31.200 aligned with his ideology okay so just pointing that out sure you actually still haven't given me

00:26:37.140 a reason yeah on sunday's show you asked why i didn't ask this so i don't know anything about it

00:26:41.720 how many pumps after a woman uh says stop before it becomes grape i didn't ask that i know but it's

00:26:50.220 that's why this isn't a dating podcast because you made a joke that's not a joke yeah it's a

00:26:54.380 callback joke it's like it's very clear to me that it's not it's not clear because it's a totally

00:26:58.380 different scenario okay even even though you see you really don't think that that's about consent i

00:27:03.580 know what the joke was i remember it was i thought it wasn't a joke debate you're i thought it wasn't

00:27:08.300 a joke i'm talking about the callback i'm saying this is not a joke so so what makes it not a joke

00:27:13.900 because it's not funny oh so you don't find it funny so nobody's not funny nobody was laughing

00:27:18.580 not a single person so if i would so if i go back to that time stamp and i look at it go please do

00:27:23.020 and nobody's gonna say anything now nobody's gonna say anything the only person that kind of

00:27:26.140 chuckled was brian so then it was a joke no then why did brian laugh i'm not sure because he thought

00:27:33.620 it was funny perhaps if the joke teller thinks it's funny that's that's a problem why because if

00:27:39.340 no one else is laughing except the joke teller that's a problem that just means it's a bad joke

00:27:42.760 not that it's not a joke okay it's so funny yeah you're right yeah but i mean can people tell bad

00:27:47.320 jokes sure and nobody laughs yeah bad jokes about but if you tell the joke and then you laugh do you

00:27:53.260 think it was intended as a dating podcast yeah do you think it was intended as a joke no i don't

00:27:58.260 so why did he laugh i'm not sure yeah that's very maybe out of awkward maybe out of insecurity

00:28:03.700 maybe yeah people laugh in uncomfortable circumstances you do it all the time yeah but

00:28:08.240 when i asked you why you said because he thought it was funny i said maybe it's insecurity i have no

00:28:12.900 idea maybe it's way to change your answer bro oh yeah i can change my answer new information how

00:28:17.120 about that yeah it's your information how is it new the next one is divorce hurts men marriage is

00:28:23.760 pointless what that's literally the opposite of my message no well he's saying that's one of the

00:28:30.540 reasons how the show is not a dating podcast you're when we talk about divorce you're actively promoting

00:28:37.400 people you're actively saying why should men get married that's a common talking point no i usually

00:28:42.140 ask why secular men should why should anybody get well this is super important so this i don't even

00:28:48.720 think you would argue that this is isn't dating related so the span and spectrum between religious

00:28:54.740 and the religious who want to get married in their preferences and secularists want to get married

00:28:58.020 in their preferences like fucking night and day and so i always draw this parallel out when i ask

00:29:03.860 religious people why do you want to get married right especially religious women and then you hear

00:29:08.720 this answer right you know i want to fulfill my obligations to god or i want to you know

00:29:13.440 live a certain lifestyle which is based on my ethical system that's why i want to get married you ask

00:29:18.280 secularist women why you want to get married and oftentimes they'll give you a whole complete class

00:29:23.420 list of i want more resources or i would like security or they're not unreasonable right but they

00:29:31.580 definitely have a completely distinct distinction and opinion for why they want to get married that is

00:29:37.440 i don't even think you could disagree that that's 100 valid for dating talking about marriage is

00:29:42.880 fine discouraging it's not when when do i ever just this podcast discourages marriage all the time

00:29:48.260 when when have i ever discouraged marriage i didn't say you did i said this podcast i have always

00:29:53.240 maintained to try to throw you like as much of an olive branch as i can i've always maintained that to

00:29:58.280 me i can't create justifications for secular marriage well by the way we're also talking about

00:30:03.080 red pill manosphere myron gains is also someone else another popular he also can't create so i've

00:30:08.200 had conversations with myron about this yeah okay he also is in the same boat that i am in that for

00:30:13.720 secularist men because what myron says is from the religious standpoint makes sense especially if

00:30:18.320 there's an ecclesiastical authority which can help govern it right um but he's the same place like

00:30:23.240 from the secularist standpoint justifying it for men is very difficult when he's talking about not

00:30:28.520 getting married he never caveats it about being secular he says why would men get married they

00:30:32.680 don't get anything out of it it's stupid and this is the same message that red pill content creators

00:30:36.280 are promoting to their people and that's why they are actually that's why they're alone and that's

00:30:40.100 why they're isolated so i'll seed some ground here okay that um he probably does talk like that

00:30:45.920 but he's a secularist okay so when he's when he's referencing men right he's thinking of it from

00:30:51.960 that view what does andrew tate think about marriage again what does that do with myron gains

00:30:56.700 one at a time don't pivot don't red hair wait and also i just want to come in here

00:31:00.680 andrew wilson is not andrew tate so why is andrew doing a defense of andrew tate he's doing a

00:31:06.280 defense of red pill manos for your content yeah they are content creators of that i'm fine i'm fine

00:31:11.160 doing this so uh andrew tate is looking at things also from the perspective of um muslim and um he's

00:31:20.980 looking at things from he has a like a variance perspective that's kind of interesting but

00:31:25.720 um discouraging i actually understand why it is that secularists discourage marriage for men

00:31:33.200 uh that makes sense to me and i actually understand why it is that tate would discourage

00:31:38.600 uh marriage for men as well that also makes sense to me but since his conversion he actually seems to

00:31:45.780 discourage it less but says instead that there needs to be reforms and changes to the way that the

00:31:50.500 laws are done so that men don't take as much risk in marriage okay so going back to my opening statement

00:31:55.580 three of the biggest podcasts that promote red pill content whatever fresh and fit and andrew tate

00:32:00.880 most of them excluding you and jim bob discourage marriage typically so that's my point that i've

00:32:07.180 been making this whole time that you guys these content creators are discouraging men and women

00:32:11.860 from getting together because it benefits them but i need you to tell me this okay now okay i'm going

00:32:16.680 to actually concede this point so that you can tell me why the fuck that's bad for men do you think

00:32:21.840 men shouldn't get together with women i'd have no i would love to hear your justifications for why it

00:32:27.360 is that secularist men ought to get married to secularist women go ahead i think that red pill men

00:32:34.360 especially the incels of the world 95 of them report severe depression and they're lonely so these kinds

00:32:41.840 of podcasts promote people being alone and that is dangerous to men you're right but have you looked

00:32:47.420 at the unaliving rates for divorced men they're high but no how much higher 80 of all on the lives

00:32:56.400 80 of all on the lives are men 80 of all on the lives and by the way why didn't you throw in uh

00:33:02.360 because you're only giving one side of this right i've read probably all of these studies in fact you

00:33:07.560 can give me the list i bet you i have you had the list here's what's interesting in the study that

00:33:13.100 you're citing specifically especially when it comes to unaliving studies yeah especially when

00:33:16.880 it comes to unaliving which demographic unalives the most it's those who cohabitate the cohabitating

00:33:23.500 men who are unmarried right they actually unalive more than the men who are married or the men who

00:33:31.840 aren't married including these depressed men and cohabitation seems to be like kind of the number one

00:33:36.620 thing that secularist push right go ahead and cohabitate and go ahead and live together there's no

00:33:41.220 reason for you to have any type of moral standards there's no reason for you not to go ahead and move

00:33:45.800 in with with your girlfriend that's what they push do you know who's getting married more right now

00:33:51.080 than anybody any other demographic who college educated people yeah that's true mostly secularists

00:33:57.280 so i don't know what you're talking about they're not secularists aren't pushing don't get married

00:34:02.340 what does that have to do with anything this idea that you're saying secularists have this non-moral

00:34:05.760 code where they're saying just cohabitate it doesn't matter that's not what's happening because

00:34:08.900 they're actually getting married yeah because women who are in college have access to much

00:34:13.500 higher status men than women who are in college college educated people are also getting divorced

00:34:18.120 less yes because you have that the high status man that you want who has lots and lots of money

00:34:25.000 yes that's the way that works the women are also making a lot of money do you know how no not no so

00:34:30.220 here's the thing that's so funny here's what you what you didn't include here so when it comes to the

00:34:34.920 middle right you're right that the the middle class which i would argue you're saying i'm right a lot

00:34:38.760 which which probably doesn't exist i appreciate you saying i'm right well the thing that's so

00:34:42.840 fun about making a concession to a point is that it makes it easier for me to destroy it oh yeah so

00:34:48.400 here's what's funny about this you are correct that the middle class does get divorced a bit less

00:34:53.240 or i'm sorry get married a bit less right um in some cases a lot less depending on depending

00:34:59.200 on what's going on but here's why you can only usually get a guy or a woman based around the social

00:35:06.620 dynamics and social circle that you're in right sure they don't they only have access to women

00:35:11.100 or men who are roughly making around the same amount or not the same amount as them and usually

00:35:15.800 they meet them at work thing college educated women different now they have access to this

00:35:20.120 kind of wider pool of much more wealthy men right and so yeah of course of course they marry them

00:35:25.860 more often they have a higher status there for them to go after that's why they do that i like how you

00:35:30.680 think women are just going after high status men when they make up 45 of the workforce 43 of

00:35:35.440 entrepreneurs they're making their own money and can you tell me though what the disparity is

00:35:39.040 between the amount of money that these college educated women make compared to their college

00:35:43.900 educated husbands sir i'm not sure but yeah you're not sure i'm not sure oh that's such a shock well

00:35:49.340 let me tell you because i am sure right a significant it's a significant amount number then

00:35:55.920 if you know so much give me a number because i don't remember if it's significant i don't remember

00:35:59.660 if it's between 0.5 or one but it's at least at least 0.5 more okay at least okay so it's like i

00:36:08.040 don't i don't even know what you're arguing yeah i'm arguing here that secularists still get married

00:36:11.600 and you're making the stupid point that they're promoting cohabitation even though that's i would

00:36:15.320 say that if it were the case that the middle class had access to the same amount of wealth

00:36:20.000 as the college educated women do that they would be getting married at the same rates to those men

00:36:24.940 okay well why aren't they getting married then because they don't have access to those men

00:36:28.040 okay can you tell me why that's wrong no i think no you can't can you because it makes sense doesn't

00:36:34.480 i'm about to okay why do you think there's such a gulf between relationships right now that you

00:36:38.480 actually encourage i don't what gulf do i encourage you encouraged on pearl davis's show just this week

00:36:43.300 what that the gulf she said men and women are dating you said good yeah no no no are you serious

00:36:49.920 yeah you're you're gonna lie right here right in front of my face no i don't think i did say that

00:36:53.520 yes you did you said it's good because they're gonna no i'll tell you what you said you said

00:36:57.460 they're gonna hold out because you think women are gonna cave first so that we could start creating

00:37:01.180 these general roles again ah yes so you're talking about my internal critique of pearl davis pearl

00:37:06.300 davis said men and women aren't dating and you said good and this is why it's good yeah that's not

00:37:10.300 an internal critique this is why it's good that's not an internal yes it was the entire conversation

00:37:14.420 with pearl was an internal critique that specific conversation was not an internal the whole

00:37:18.940 conversation was an internal critique that's a very likely story it's not only a light but listen

00:37:23.460 do you do am i do i am i a person who debates utilizing internal critiques sure yeah and do i

00:37:28.960 use that my do i have a staple for utilizing internal critiques sure okay why is it though that for some

00:37:34.960 reason you think with pearl davis i wouldn't use internal because throughout the i will admit

00:37:38.580 throughout the podcast you were but this specific point you weren't this was this was your own

00:37:42.640 personal belief that is a good thing that men and women are dating because you only want christian

00:37:46.500 people dating no no you only want christian people dating and having babies circulate my point

00:37:50.400 themselves my point there but no this is off the top of my head right and i think it's unfair for

00:37:55.920 you to hold me to the standard of this debate that i had that went on for hours i can't remember every

00:38:00.020 detail of it but if i remember this correctly what actually happened there was we were discussing

00:38:06.320 secular marriage and if the gulf got too wide right then people are going to divert themselves over

00:38:11.820 to other x thing but i don't remember nothing to do with secular it's like you keep throwing that word

00:38:15.900 in front of what these people are saying because it just helps your argument but that's not what you

00:38:19.780 guys were discussing i don't remember women are dating do you admit that men and women are dating

00:38:23.540 currently that it's do you know men 18 to 2400 ask a woman out in real life did you know that yeah

00:38:29.000 so no well no that's not correct okay correct me then yeah no show me show me the show me any data

00:38:34.240 that shows that in your packet it's probably not in that packet because it's not true okay then what's

00:38:38.720 the what's the statistic i don't have to give you a counter i just can tell you that that's not true

00:38:42.260 unless you demonstrate demonstrate it okay i'm the one who actually brought something did you bring

00:38:46.080 any did you bring any demonstrate any statistic you've thrown out what what statistic have i thrown

00:38:50.660 out demonstrate any statistic you've got out statistic have i thought about how much more men in college

00:38:55.080 make than their their wife you demanded that i give you a number what did i say i don't actually

00:38:59.760 know significant i said i don't actually know other than it's significant right well then show me the

00:39:04.140 proof of that yeah but i don't that's all i know shut the fuck up yeah so here here just real quick

00:39:08.920 just demonstrate it demonstrate it i got your data packet let me ask you something are men and

00:39:14.060 women dating less hold on if you got to answer his question i don't have to answer questions

00:39:20.060 hold on if you're going to cross-examine him he's going to cross i asked him initially how many people

00:39:25.680 are dating and then he said what most of your questions he has not answered what was the question

00:39:29.300 he said you've asked a bunch of you've shotgunned a bunch of questions he asked you a question back you

00:39:33.680 should respond oh my god this fucking room is cooking can you open that door up it is pretty hot in here

00:39:37.980 yeah it's fucking cooking both of them holy shit this is like peak bad dude all right it's got to

00:39:48.120 be like a fucking hundred degrees it's hot room dude uh so anyway where were we what were we talking

00:39:52.680 about i asked about men and women dating and the gulf between them yeah what about it do you admit

00:39:58.500 that that's happening that there's a gulf between dating yeah the men and women are dating less by

00:40:04.140 what in general what does that mean what are you asking me do you think men and women are dating

00:40:09.840 less yes or no yes and you think that's a good thing um contextually it could be a good thing

00:40:18.540 what do you mean by contextually well it could be that people are selecting for better better mates

00:40:23.800 for instance and so they're dating less because they have much more criteria for them to go off of

00:40:28.440 maybe it you could possibly see these results of that less single motherhood there could it could

00:40:33.860 be a good thing do you think there are more involuntary celibate men than ever no you think

00:40:40.360 this is definitely not you think this is not an anomaly that's happening right now no when when else

00:40:44.840 in history do you think that was so throughout most of history only about 40 percent of men ever

00:40:48.600 reproduced and we know this because of we can we can check our ancestry and see how many more uh female

00:40:55.900 ancestors the male we have so yeah most men were not able to reproduce they were expendable they

00:41:00.940 were used as soldiers used as this uses that uh so no actually more resources to reproduce i can get

00:41:06.440 i can get i can see that yeah you'll concede that point right so yeah i don't think that this is like

00:41:10.980 so you don't think there's a gulf in the male loneliness thing you don't think that's a real thing

00:41:15.340 yeah well i didn't say that though what did i actually say no i'm asking do you think so what i

00:41:19.980 actually said was i do i do think it is the case that no you are incorrect and that this is not the

00:41:26.560 worst it's ever been i would say that the interpersonal sexual dynamics might be the

00:41:30.580 worst they've ever been but i also think that feminism and single mom caused that that's an

00:41:35.900 interesting why do you think that caused it because all the stats show that uh every single rate that

00:41:41.500 you can imagine a metric which is horrific on young men uh usually comes from single mother homes we're

00:41:47.780 talking everything from homelessness on up um like almost everything is another term for single

00:41:53.540 mother homes fatherless homes sure so why do you put it on women because it's usually women who

00:41:59.320 initiate being in the fatherless relationship not men and why do they initiate being a fatherless

00:42:03.580 relationship the number one answer from women is that uh irreconcilable differences so do you know

00:42:09.100 anyone in a woman in your life has ever been divorced sure do they say hey we got divorced because

00:42:14.400 we couldn't reconcile our differences or do they say another reason uh usually well i mean they they

00:42:20.300 have all sorts of reasons yeah but they don't say we couldn't reconcile our differences right yeah

00:42:24.140 yeah that's true well what's your point why do you use that as a reason women are that's the reason

00:42:28.620 they give is irreconcilable that's not that's the reason they give in court but what do they give

00:42:32.740 in real life what's the real reason they have a they have a varying a varying uh degree of things but

00:42:37.900 here's what's not happening what they're not actually giving in real life is he was abusing me he was

00:42:42.840 beating me up he was doing this he was doing that usually the top three reasons women file for

00:42:47.700 divorce infidelity emotional neglect and poor communication followed by finances what's the

00:42:53.280 top three though that's the top three i just said no it's not yes it is no the top three is not

00:42:57.640 infidelity yes infidelity emotional neglect and poor communication followed by finances oh so what's

00:43:03.760 the number one reason i just said fidelity infidelity i just said infidelity is number one reason

00:43:07.900 correct okay which one of these studies proves that did you bring any studies just tell me what don't you

00:43:12.380 know what don't say any facts for the rest of this debate if you're not going to show me a study how

00:43:15.980 about that bro listen don't show no more facts no more facts you gotta stop interrupting him dude

00:43:22.300 every time did i make you literally were interrupting his talk did i make the boy yeah you gotta get your

00:43:26.900 boy's back did i make the claim or did you it's called yo it's called moderating the show you've been

00:43:31.100 interrupting the entire time okay if andrew interrupts you i'll say the same thing to him yeah but just real

00:43:35.840 quick um did you make the claim or did i make the claim i made the claim okay great can you show it

00:43:40.660 i don't have the data point in front of me but i looked it up prior to this and you can do it

00:43:44.260 after okay what if we do it now go for it sure and where can i find this data i liked it around

00:43:53.200 no you looked it up i have a lot of data man i don't know exactly each source where i got it from

00:43:57.300 this is more about single mothers you can look at that one if you want to talk about single motherhood

00:44:08.240 yeah we can get into that but again this is just wild to me i thought i thought you were going to

00:44:13.980 tell me that that was the number one reason okay well you can't use any facts if you don't have any

00:44:18.040 the number one reason that i'm seeing is lack of commitment well that's infidelity and also

00:44:22.040 and also emotional neglect okay what does lack of commitment mean to you andrew i have no idea

00:44:27.120 what it means you tell me it's not infidelity right because infidelity doesn't show a lack of commitment

00:44:31.740 does infidelity show a lack of commitment so it's not coming home by fucking 10 okay what are you

00:44:37.720 talking about okay so tell me what does that mean lack of commitment you tell me i you're the one who

00:44:42.840 made the claim you're the one who said it was irreconcilable differences that's the number one

00:44:47.300 reason they file divorces yeah but that's not the reason people actually file for divorce okay so

00:44:51.800 the reasons that they give you're saying that the number one reason women women give is infidelity

00:44:57.140 infidelity emotional neglect and poor communication okay where can i find the statistic i don't remember

00:45:02.280 man i brought all the statistics you didn't bring any i didn't need to bring it yeah because you're

00:45:06.720 making shit up what am i making up anything you say because i can you can't prove it what have i said

00:45:11.080 that i made up about the finances that how do i make something up when i say i don't know for sure

00:45:15.400 okay well you said it's significant that is true it is significant okay well how can you prove that

00:45:20.120 well what does significant mean uh let's see statistically let's just see if we can find this

00:45:26.140 i am not seeing infidelity is number one answer on any of these okay

00:45:31.320 um do do do do do number one reason i'm seeing is financial problems that's not the number one

00:45:42.000 reason and you've also said it's not the number one reason that's what i'm seeing okay but i'm ready

00:45:46.580 for a counterfactual okay fine let's just concede that i don't know what i'm talking about the point

00:45:50.780 is it's not irreconcilable differences people file for a reason well we're talking past each other

00:45:55.040 because you we were talking about divorce right and i said that that they file for irreconcilable

00:45:59.620 differences right you asked for the meaning behind the irreconcilable difference i'm fine with that

00:46:03.940 i just don't think it's infidelity i think that's incorrect and when i just looked it is you made the

00:46:08.780 claim that it is but you can't tell me where you're blaming women for filing for divorce making it sound

00:46:14.460 like it's just some fly by the night thing they decided to do there's typically a reason and you read

00:46:19.020 some not saying that there's not reasons okay the question why do you blame women for single

00:46:22.900 motherhood the question is whether or not there's good well first of all can you be a single mother

00:46:26.700 and never be married sure but where's the father in this scenario yes well here's the thing don't

00:46:31.760 courts adjust towards women even when they aren't married do you know one in three children born out

00:46:38.460 of wedlock don't see their father past the age of three did you know that why you tell me i'm i'm

00:46:46.300 waiting no you tell me why do i need to tell you when i ask you a question why because single

00:46:50.840 motherhood is not just a female problem okay but why do they not have access because men tend to

00:46:55.800 abandon children can you demonstrate that i think i just did how 33 percent of children don't see

00:47:03.780 their father past age three yeah but that doesn't prove that it's because the men don't want to

00:47:07.960 okay how many men file for custody of the child in a in child court uh i don't know the stats off the

00:47:16.280 top of my head we can look 95 percent of them are filed uh without contest from the father and the

00:47:21.340 four percent that do typically do get it so if 95 percent of men are fighting for the child i think

00:47:25.700 you can look at men for the problem oh i see okay so let's back up um tell me something who can

00:47:33.540 actually have children men or women women okay are these women being raped no okay so they have uh the

00:47:41.200 responsibility of making sure that they don't get pregnant right i think two people have the

00:47:47.180 responsibility to make sure they don't get somebody pregnant but do you agree with me that it is the

00:47:51.020 case that most men will sleep with most women but most women won't sleep with most men so what

00:47:58.580 so if that's the case right then women have greater access than men do don't they sure so so if that's the

00:48:06.480 case why are they granting access to men who abandon their kids how do they know they're going

00:48:10.880 to abandon their kids well hang on that's so weird though wait a second let's back up they they're the

00:48:17.260 ones who have the sexual access right so if they don't if they don't know why are they sleeping with

00:48:21.820 these men they're the ones who get pregnant not the men and men are the ones that get them pregnant

00:48:26.200 yeah so what they're a part of the equation so what that's a part of the equation but women are the

00:48:32.720 ones who get to access that and men are the ones that access it okay can men can men have abortions

00:48:38.540 no can men force women to have abortions no do you believe women should be able to have abortions yes

00:48:43.100 well if that's the case right that you believe women's women ought to be able to have abortions

00:48:48.560 men ought not to have any say on whether or not women have abortions then women are the ones who

00:48:53.600 ultimately have 100 access around reproduction not men so men have no responsibility in your eyes how

00:48:58.760 could they have a responsibility if they're not allowed to make the choice of if the child's even here or not

00:49:02.380 if you got somebody pregnant would you abandon them do i form a secular worldview or do i form a

00:49:06.760 christian one do christian people abandon their children no no they don't all christians are

00:49:11.840 perfect no no no under christian ethics you're not to abandon your children sure okay so only secular

00:49:18.120 people abandon their children no that's not what i said what did i just say christian ethics bans you

00:49:22.480 from under christian ethics you ought not do that right is ought not the same as do they don't should

00:49:28.320 anyone do that do do i think so yeah under christian ethics no even secular do you think

00:49:33.560 people should even if you're secular under christian ethics i don't think secular people should and i

00:49:37.060 think secular people also don't think they should abandon their children so what's the point but they

00:49:40.820 can kill them i don't think it's killing oh i know right we're not gonna say you don't think it's

00:49:45.280 killing no it's not it's not okay got it they say kill them but they think that they shouldn't

00:49:49.240 abandon it's a horrible framing that's a horrible framing great compelling reason here the idea is

00:49:54.400 that um that these women they're getting they're getting knocked up they're the ones who have

00:49:59.660 complete and total access to who sleeps with them they're not getting raped and they have the choice

00:50:06.160 as to whether or not they abort or not abort yeah but someone also was but does the man have a choice

00:50:11.700 the man was does the man have a choice to not impregnate a woman now what if the man the man has a

00:50:15.760 choice to keep the baby not if the woman does the man have the choice to make the woman pay him

00:50:21.520 child support and keep the baby how much is the average child support can you answer my question

00:50:24.820 no just wait how much no no answer my fucking no i just i just said no okay okay let's back up how

00:50:31.440 about then how about you listen yeah okay let's back up well i said can you answer my question and

00:50:36.140 you said no you can see how i could perceive that as you saying i'm not going to answer your question

00:50:40.000 right yes no even the moderator thought that was the case okay so let's back up you do

00:50:45.640 believe that it is the case that men can't force women to have their children correct but women

00:50:52.060 can force men to take care of their children that's correct okay how is that fair i'm not saying it's

00:50:58.640 fair okay so then what is the so then if men didn't want to have that child why should they be held to

00:51:04.640 account take care of it because it's their child what because it is their child i'm super confused but

00:51:12.400 they didn't have a say doesn't matter it's their child should they be able to have a say i don't

00:51:16.140 think so but you just said it's not fair yeah it's not fair so what they had a child that's their child

00:51:23.620 they should take care of it not abandon it so okay so to get this right then women should be able to

00:51:28.240 kill men's children if they want right i or framing it as killing or hang on or keep them if they want

00:51:34.860 and the man has to pay child support for the child that's correct right that's correct and you think

00:51:39.100 women should get to make that choice a hundred percent why should we let women make that choice

00:51:42.840 because they're the ones that have to you know conceive so got it so they're the ones have to

00:51:47.960 conceive so they're the ones making the choice yep so therefore it's their responsibility anything

00:51:51.960 else no because the father is also part of the responsibility wait i'm sorry who's making the

00:51:57.440 choice they can have the child but the father should take care of their child and you don't disagree

00:52:02.420 with that do you wait do you disagree with me or not do you disagree i can't justify it from a

00:52:06.540 secular angle why not because it makes no sense it makes total sense if you have a child you should

00:52:11.660 take care of it well let's try this again i just walked you through the logic though fuck the logic

00:52:15.100 i'm asking you do you think do you think a secular person should take care of the child that they have

00:52:20.080 does a christian think that of course and you don't think secular people do well i can't see how

00:52:24.840 secularists could justify it no not if you're making the claim so you made the claim here my worldview if

00:52:30.080 you have a child you should take care of it period why because that's my worldview okay why though

00:52:34.180 because it's your child you'll just you're a part of me i don't need to justify right because when

00:52:38.120 we walk around the logic here's what we end up with you say women have complete and total access

00:52:42.200 should be able to kill a man's kid right or should be able to bring it to bear and make sure that the

00:52:48.140 man takes care of the kid but the man can't tell the woman that she has to have the kid even when

00:52:53.800 she's pregnant that's correct and if there's a child in the world that that man contributed to he

00:52:57.840 should take care of it okay so just to make sure that we got this right it's an uneven standard

00:53:01.880 for men versus women if that's the world we live in yeah so justify why it is that men shouldn't

00:53:07.280 say fuck that i don't need to did okay well then when you ask me andrew don't you think x and i say

00:53:14.320 well you say i can't and when i say from a secular point of view i actually can't answer the

00:53:19.640 justification just remember that neither can you and i would say most secular people also believe

00:53:23.540 you just take care of a child from the christian ethical angle of course of course you're supposed

00:53:28.160 to take care of your children but from the christian ethical angle it's also completely

00:53:31.480 appropriate right to put significant pressure on women to not have abortions meaning men get a say

00:53:37.060 in the choice right what's wild to me is that you're complaining about single motherhood and

00:53:40.680 then you're sitting here saying well men should say fuck it which is just wild that men should say

00:53:45.160 fuck it if they want did i say when you said so men should say fuck it right i'm sorry do you know

00:53:49.500 what an ought is versus a descriptor what's an ought an ought is i don't know did i say that

00:53:55.380 secondary men ought do that or did i say i can't i can't think of a justification you can't think of

00:53:59.820 a justification but neither can you but you also don't think single motherhood is a good thing

00:54:03.420 correct that's correct so why don't you encourage men to take care of the children should we force them

00:54:09.120 to i think so okay so you think that we should force men to take care of the kids correct that's what

00:54:15.840 child support is but no no no no no that's not well that is true that they take it by force

00:54:21.940 i guess yeah that's what you said but what i'm talking about force is like should we make them

00:54:27.240 participate as a father yes we should force that and so as long as the court rules that they should yes

00:54:33.860 no that's that's different i'm not asking about what the court rules i'm asking do you think we

00:54:39.940 should force men to participate i think they should force at least child support and if no no that's not

00:54:45.460 my question well that's what i'm saying should they force men to participate in being a father

00:54:50.340 no being a father no no no no no not at the father if a father's gonna be a shitty father then

00:54:57.280 can you explain to me how it is that if the woman can get child support from the guy right and you

00:55:05.360 are not going to force any participation aren't you pushing single motherhood no you're blaming women

00:55:11.020 for single motherhood yeah and you're you're saying the ones who have all the choice by your

00:55:14.980 own admission but the fathers have no part to play in it and single motherhood fathers can't make the

00:55:20.560 determination as to whether or not they can even have the kid and only the woman can you you hold an

00:55:25.660 uneven playing field i have at least a consistent view that women should not be allowed to abort and

00:55:31.040 men ought to actually be made to participate in their own children's life that's my consistent

00:55:37.840 worldview your worldview is inconsistent okay you're making things yeah totally inconsistent i said that

00:55:43.440 if a man you're just giving privilege to women if sure if a man has a child they should take care of

00:55:48.960 it do they that's a different story if i'm saying they should if women have children should they take

00:55:53.000 care of it yeah can they give it up for adoption sure okay can the man make the woman give or why can't

00:55:58.740 the man give up his parental rights and just walk away if the woman can if the woman does then he can

00:56:04.860 well wait that's really weird i don't get it if it is the case that the mother has guardianship of

00:56:11.740 the father's child she can still put the child up for adoption right sure okay but he can't if he

00:56:18.800 has guardianship of the child he can if he has guardianship well so he can too but if she's a

00:56:22.860 single mom what gives him guardianship well he doesn't have guardianship i'm saying if a if a father

00:56:27.620 has guardianship he can also put up the child for adoption it's not just a mother but who does it

00:56:31.420 default to why does it default to women because that's the way the system is set how is it set

00:56:36.660 that way because it's it has become matrilineal rather than patrilineal what does that mean what

00:56:42.380 does that mean it means it means from the father from the mother no i know the definition you always

00:56:46.220 use those words it means that the property but why is the family court yeah why is it giving it

00:56:50.220 because feminists have made huge pushes in order to make it that way feminists have pushed that women

00:56:55.720 get custody of the child yeah are most judges in family court men or women and family court they're

00:57:02.360 men and so they're influenced by feminists sorry wait a second are you saying that men can't be

00:57:08.400 feminists i'm saying that i doubt that the majority of family are you saying that men can't be feminine

00:57:12.800 i'm saying that i doubt all the family court judges are so influenced by family court judges have to adhere

00:57:18.020 to the law or do they make the law i'm not sure if they make the law or not they have to adhere to the

00:57:23.160 law they don't make it right yeah so family court judges are just adhering to the law right and

00:57:27.180 what's the law say yeah the law you so here's what happened you just have what are called coverture

00:57:31.340 laws coverture laws actually forced men to take care of their families that very same thing that

00:57:36.080 you want right of course this also made children their property and women right were also part of

00:57:42.780 the man then right that was how it went but guess what they had to take care of their family or they

00:57:47.760 went to fucking jail that's what happened marriages stayed together about 90 95 and you know what

00:57:52.860 happened feminists really pushed real fucking hard for the average default laws and here's where the

00:57:58.540 average default laws were oh the average default laws were saying basically on average the default

00:58:04.980 is going to go to women right now there's a whole series of laws i can pull up and go through but yes

00:58:10.080 this was pushed by feminists so that there was default laws which pushed pushed literally that women

00:58:17.060 default by default had custody yes that is correct that is not how it works because if a father

00:58:22.380 if a father uh-huh tries to get custody of the child they often do get it but now but most they

00:58:28.380 do now so feminists have failed then no bro there's been since men's rights movement started especially

00:58:33.740 in about the mid-2000s there have been reforms to the laws male custody has quadrupled because of

00:58:40.880 men's rights advocacy groups and yes quadrupled and yes i can grab you that stat if you want it i'm not

00:58:46.340 saying it has quadrupled because these laws have now begun to get rolled back but it used to actually

00:58:53.000 just be a straight default a straight default because i my understanding of this is most fathers

00:58:59.400 aren't filing for custodial guardianship you're talking you have to understand that you're looking

00:59:05.380 at it from a historic prism that doesn't make any sense you're talking about modern laws and the way

00:59:11.180 that modern custody arrangements happen it wasn't always this case the case used to be actually

00:59:16.340 that children went to the men that was the that was the old laws under coverture laws right that

00:59:23.400 changed with feminism and radical feminism pushing for those laws to be changed so you're saying there

00:59:29.080 was a time when the children were raised there were more single fathers than single mothers no there

00:59:33.700 just wasn't really any erosion of marriage okay then why did you say that why did you make that point

00:59:37.820 you made the point that back in the day men were getting custody of the children but then

00:59:42.160 there were still more single mothers no there wasn't very many single mothers either okay but

00:59:47.520 they outnumbered the single fathers no there wasn't there you listen these marriages stayed together

00:59:52.780 but under the law it was true under the coverture laws that the child was the property or was at

00:59:59.380 least associated property to the father yes i'm glad we're having this discussion because it goes back

01:00:03.580 to the point that i've been trying to make can you explain though your logic there i'm trying to

01:00:07.080 understand the logic no i want to get back to the thing we're talking about no no i want to get

01:00:11.100 back to the thing we're talking about no no i'm not hanging on it's not about escaping let's escape

01:00:15.220 i just want to get back to this logic this is the point that i'm trying to make why would it be that

01:00:19.400 there was that i'm trying to make i don't want to i just want to finish i want to get back to the

01:00:23.580 thing last question i don't give a shit we can i want to get to the next thing why won't you answer

01:00:27.560 my because the whole point i've been trying to make this whole is that any chance you get

01:00:31.580 you blame women yeah any chance you get you blame women single mothers what for everything you blame

01:00:37.760 women for the downfall of society what if it is that let me ask you this you blame do you blame

01:00:41.860 women for the downfall of society no i don't blame it for the downfall of society the current

01:00:45.720 trend of society you don't no you never said that no what i blame women for specifically

01:00:52.020 right is feminism and feminist marxist ideology i do blame them for that yes okay and as you said

01:00:59.140 feminism is the reason there's so many single mothers right i think it's a core reason yeah

01:01:02.700 okay so is that contributed to the downfall of society sure so through that logic women are

01:01:07.460 contributing to the downfall of society yeah but men would also be contributing to the downfall of

01:01:10.920 society okay so you blame women mostly for the downfall of society feminism yes the ideology of

01:01:16.320 feminism which is the ideology so you're just asking about the execution it's like are you blaming men

01:01:23.360 for the downfall of society of a society which is mostly communists or would you be blamed because

01:01:29.940 they're enforcing everything or would you be blaming the ideology you're blaming can you answer my

01:01:34.820 question no you're blaming you're not blaming the ideology because women are the ones so i'm gonna ask

01:01:40.040 the question again till you answer it okay so you have a communist country right and the men are are

01:01:45.100 doing most of the bad stuff in the communist country would you blame the men or would you blame

01:01:49.440 communism i don't think feminine answer my fucking question answer the question yes or no you don't

01:01:55.140 i don't know i don't know i don't know okay i'll just start answering that because you're saying

01:01:59.200 feminism the ideology in its own feminism the ideology on its own you lived in a communist country

01:02:05.080 and it was mostly the men enforcing the communism you don't know if you'd blame the men or the ideology

01:02:10.260 really you don't know i probably blame the men at that point you blame okay well then so you're

01:02:15.440 saying that i should blame women no i'm saying that you do i blame the ideology no you're blaming

01:02:20.520 the women every chance you get the only consistent thing you could actually say here would be i blame

01:02:26.840 communism for the way these men are behaving unless you innately think men are bad

01:02:31.180 what about like do you innately think men are bad what about feminism is bringing about the downfall

01:02:36.520 of society you mean what what is it contributing to yeah it's not just contributing to single

01:02:41.740 motherhood it also contributes to these two income households it's contributing to well it

01:02:47.180 contributes to the fact that we even need two income households but one of the major things it

01:02:51.000 contributes to is taking mothers out of the home that's the biggest way that it contributes to the

01:02:56.120 downfall of society is taking mothers out of the home don't you agree i don't agree but this goes to

01:03:01.860 the point that do you think how does this change what i said that you blame feminism for the downfall

01:03:05.560 of society well you didn't say that you said i said that initially and i said that in my opening

01:03:09.320 statement you said i blame women who who implemented feminism yeah so well that was a bunch of rich

01:03:14.460 corporatists and then sure and then it was also a lot of women who were in bed with no it really was

01:03:19.380 it was rich corporatists was it men that implemented feminism it was both okay yeah it was both but what

01:03:24.860 do you think i but back to this i just i just want to make sure right why would it like how would

01:03:30.680 it even track that i would blame women for the i or or hate women i'm sorry hate women i do blame

01:03:38.700 them for if they're feminists for holding that ideology but that's not all women that's not me

01:03:43.560 hating women you made the distinction earlier that if i hate an individual woman right that's not that's

01:03:49.860 not misogyny right i wouldn't say on an individual level no yeah so then if i hate all feminists

01:03:57.440 that's only hating individuals with an ideology right if most women are feminists wouldn't that

01:04:02.600 be misogynistic i'm not sure that most women well i don't know that's hard to say but if it is the

01:04:09.520 case no actually even if it was the case that most women were feminists and you hated all women who

01:04:15.820 were feminists you still wouldn't hate women you would only hate feminists that's an easy way out of

01:04:19.800 that one well i mean it's true though right no no it's not true okay then explain the logic to me

01:04:23.820 because if women are feminists and you hate feminism then you hate women no no you hate feminism okay

01:04:29.740 yeah so here's the thing and i can prove it i hate men who are feminists too oh are you looking at one

01:04:37.380 yeah so so here's the thing if that's the case then would that make me a misandrist i don't think so

01:04:43.120 what if most men were feminists which you said it's about 80 percent so then i hate 80 percent of men

01:04:50.760 by that logic so i'm a misandrist right if you hate them for that for that yeah sure okay so then

01:04:56.540 i'm a misandrist and a misogynist then yeah you hate so i just fucking hate everybody i mean i

01:05:02.200 wouldn't say most i just fucking hate everybody i wouldn't say most men are feminists you said 80

01:05:05.660 percent i i'm granting your hypothetical you weren't granting a hypothetical you i asked you the

01:05:09.940 question you said 80 percent agree with me no i don't think and you're a feminist i don't think

01:05:13.480 80 percent of men are feminists okay how many i don't know i have no idea i'll throw out a number i'll

01:05:18.360 say maybe 30 percent 30 percent yeah and how many women um i have no idea maybe 80 so a lot more

01:05:25.600 yeah and you think that that shouldn't come up during a dating talk huh i'm not saying it should

01:05:30.440 i'm saying that you don't blame feminism you don't think which by default you blame women so if men

01:05:34.860 women are in the workplaces men and women are so ideologically split on like almost a as like a 60 20

01:05:40.960 playing field you don't think that's pertinent to dating i'm not saying that i'm saying that you

01:05:45.260 blame feminism for the downfall of society i did not not just feminism okay yeah but i do blame

01:05:51.140 feminists for their part of the downfall of society yeah including going to work including going to

01:05:55.900 college including all the idea of separating mothers from children that was the worst by going to work

01:06:01.420 and going to college and that's a it's terrible idea right don't you think it's a better who well

01:06:07.340 like why is it a better idea for you to send your kid to away from you to like a fucking nanny or

01:06:15.540 something to raise the kid instead of you how's that better i don't know you don't know you don't

01:06:21.900 know well you can do you want to give a response no because because because it's not fucking better

01:06:26.380 is it i'm not going to get into that yeah because it's not better is it it's not going to get into it

01:06:30.420 yeah because it's is it better though is it better do it is it better to send your kid off the

01:06:35.340 fucking katuela who knows maybe it's better for that family i have no idea you're making these

01:06:39.520 big broad generalizations about how life should you live i just want to know do you maybe for

01:06:42.840 some families do you think on average that it would be better if mothers raise their children or

01:06:47.120 outsource the raising of their children they're not outsourcing it maybe it's for part of the day

01:06:50.520 andrew that's outsourcing it that's not outsourcing it because they're still the rest of the day

01:06:54.020 okay so how much time on average is it that you think that mothers are spending with their

01:06:59.320 children in comparison to how much they used to spend with their children before they were in the

01:07:02.340 workforce i have no idea you don't know no what if what about throwing one of those numbers out

01:07:06.480 what would you say what would you think well how about this how about we'll just make it easy

01:07:09.400 more or less less less they're spending less time with them now right do you think that that's good

01:07:15.780 i think each individual family has their own do you think that that's good i think each individual

01:07:21.060 family has their own it's good for society mothers are spending less you think okay got it got it

01:07:26.560 well we'll come back to that we do need to let a couple chats come through we have quite a few who've

01:07:30.920 collected so we have nasha nabu thank you appreciate it nashu nabu donated two hundred dollars the lead

01:07:40.500 attorney a divorce attorney speaks on why men do not fight for their kids judges go off precedent

01:07:46.940 because of this lawyers tell fathers not to fight for their kids because they lose

01:07:51.600 you know i don't even i don't even want to grant that like i don't even think you need to grant it

01:07:58.880 if the idea is just that women are completely in charge of all reproductive rights period um and

01:08:05.500 you can't justify why men need to take care of their fucking kids then who gives a shit if i can

01:08:10.140 respond to that um quick response if you can yeah the majority of fathers that do contest tend to get

01:08:16.040 uh their child at least in modern times okay uh nashu appreciate that we have uh son coming in

01:08:23.740 thank you sir lofson donated one hundred dollars thank you this guy is a hypocrite critiquing andrew

01:08:30.800 for pushing a worldview when he does himself this guy can't make any prescriptive statements he is a

01:08:37.400 progressive feminist this reduces to emma preferences to my preferences yeah my i came here to say let's

01:08:44.500 try to get men and women dating again but we ended up talking about single motherhood okay well let's let's

01:08:48.800 get into that let's get let's go through the chat let's get through a few more chats but we can come

01:08:52.100 back to it um uh son appreciate that we have stream thank you man stream rift donated one hundred

01:09:00.100 dollars women will like cheat and steal to hurt a father by fighting over custody the question

01:09:06.680 shouldn't be why men don't fight for their kids it's why do single moms make them fight to begin with

01:09:12.640 if you care about your kids you'll fight for them i don't care the reason is the obstacles because my

01:09:17.340 opponent over here demonstrated for you women should have the complete and total right over

01:09:21.640 all men's children including the right to kill them and should be able to force them to pay support

01:09:26.840 for those children long term and can't even justify why he can't even tell us give us a single reason

01:09:31.960 why i did give you a reason okay what if you have a child you should take care of it why reason because

01:09:36.700 you should why because you should oh because you should because you should because exactly you should

01:09:42.220 give me a hundred dollars okay well i won't yeah but if you said you could but you should okay you

01:09:47.400 should yeah but you should they should raise their children yeah but but why should fight for the

01:09:50.660 why because it's their child why there doesn't need to be anymore that's a sentence you're just saying

01:09:55.120 dude that doesn't that doesn't say anything yeah okay it doesn't say anything it says nothing

01:09:59.740 fathers should just not take care of the children no but here's the thing it's interesting right it's

01:10:03.500 like you're doing everything to enable women to kill men's children i don't agree with that framing but

01:10:08.980 go for it well i mean here's the thing right can men say anything about it nope well then there's

01:10:13.800 nothing there's no framing here to disagree with yeah it's not killing quick uh clarifying question

01:10:17.640 for you just uh because it's come up a couple times do you want to just state your quick position

01:10:22.140 on abortion are you pro pro choice i'm here to talk about i'm here to talk about abortion we don't have

01:10:27.700 to get into abortion but that's what always happens on this show it's like we're here to talk about

01:10:31.560 red pill manosphere and we're talking about abortion it's just really fast well well hang on there's a

01:10:35.620 bunch of different when you yeah when you ask when you ask a bunch of different questions and i test

01:10:39.660 your logic and it moves into that what's unfair about that well it's because you lose the point

01:10:43.560 of what we're here to talk about i'm not losing any yeah you are you lose the point of what we're

01:10:46.980 talking about this is what this is this is why your debates take five hours is because you get into

01:10:50.620 all these stupid little side arguments that don't go into what we talked about opening statement let's

01:10:54.400 do it this way you ask a question i ask a question you answer i answer how's that and then we can't

01:10:59.700 deter it you want to do it that way i'm i'm i'm i'm following brian's moderation i'm fine with

01:11:05.200 that if you guys want to go you want to do that and forth you think i'm trying to be evasive with

01:11:09.360 you no it's not about evasive it's just that every time maybe you just want to filibuster i have

01:11:13.620 nothing about filibustering i'm you're doing most of the talking bro it's been pretty bro i think

01:11:19.720 really it's been yeah you guys have both talked a good amount okay all right here we got more chats

01:11:24.220 though then we'll get into some of the debate stuff we have christopher thank you christopher

01:11:27.620 appreciate it christopher scott donated 100 thank you man just because men don't file for custody

01:11:34.100 doesn't mean they abandon their children there could be an agreement outside of court for shared

01:11:38.720 custody that's fair but statistically more men abandon the children than women

01:11:42.800 okay uh we have jason cassell thank you guys by the way if you want to get one in uh streamlabs.com

01:11:51.280 slash whatever we're doing a hundred dollars but the thing is so funny about that is like

01:11:55.440 but you advocate for a society where the women own the children so i keep for a society where women

01:12:01.440 get to make the decision whether or not they have a child so they own the child no they they own

01:12:05.300 their pregnancy yeah so they it's so they own the right over the life of the man's child literally

01:12:09.840 by the owner pregnancy and the father should take care of it after that but what if the man so but

01:12:13.700 if the woman doesn't want to take care of it she gets now if the father doesn't want to take care

01:12:17.220 of it he does not right correct so then the ownership of the child and life and death of the child

01:12:22.280 and life and death of the father falls to the woman okay life's not fair yeah so so don't you

01:12:28.740 think women have a greater responsibility here for reproduction than men i think women have a

01:12:33.320 responsibility for their pregnancy and then a father and mother have hold on i'm talking and

01:12:37.320 then the father and the mother have a responsibility to raise a child okay that's not my question repeat

01:12:41.340 my question that's my stance repeat my question yeah but that's my stance okay so i'm gonna ask the

01:12:44.580 question again then actually answer my question don't you think that if it is the case that you

01:12:48.480 advocate that only women can have the right to terminate a pregnancy and that only women can have the

01:12:53.600 right to bring it to bear and that affects the man's life and it affects the child's life but

01:12:59.060 the sole decision is on her for reproduction why doesn't she have a greater responsibility to who

01:13:04.840 she fucking reproduces with why because the other person was involved just as much i don't know

01:13:10.780 what to fucking do with fucking so stupid yeah it's stupid so way more so so she has way more

01:13:17.240 privilege right way more privilege privilege yeah way more privilege so much but for some odd reason

01:13:23.780 no greater no more no no not even equal responsibility like it's fucking wild to me yeah so let me just

01:13:31.500 make sure well can you say it for me one more time say it for me one more time that women right even

01:13:37.640 though they get to determine the pregnancy the entire time right have no greater duty or responsibility for

01:13:43.320 who they reproduce with correct even though they're the gatekeepers of reproduction because someone

01:13:48.580 else was a part of that birth even though the gatekeepers of reproduction gatekeeper okay well

01:13:52.940 they literally someone entered the gate andrew don't they have responsibility they could just kill

01:13:56.900 whoever came through whatever they can the result of that yeah but someone walked through the fucking

01:14:00.880 gate right yeah how could i don't know how you can possibly uh make this claim consistent for me

01:14:06.500 how do they not have a greater duty when they are the ones who can reproduce men can't reproduce

01:14:12.560 they don't have the option of saying no afterwards they have the greater duty of the pregnancy and

01:14:18.940 then after that the mother and the father should raise the child together that's my stance okay well

01:14:23.700 let me ask you this no we're moving on do you think that in dating no no yeah go ahead do you think do

01:14:30.520 you think in dating right that it would be like a really big deterrent if i knew that if i had sex with a

01:14:38.300 woman even if i cared about her right and she got pregnant that i would have zero choice over the

01:14:46.400 health and welfare of my child but she would have 100 of the choice over that isn't that how it is

01:14:52.600 today yeah so what's the difference yeah so so right now today don't you think that that would act as a

01:14:59.380 massive deterrent in dating which is the thing you want men and women to do again what's what's

01:15:03.700 changed about that when when when hasn't that been the case when's the last time that wasn't the case

01:15:07.820 what that women had scenario yeah so before the 60s okay well people were still dating right yeah but

01:15:14.500 don't you think that abortion had an arc where previous generations were not as accustomed to it

01:15:19.700 as they are now and before there wasn't that many people resisting it and now many many more we have

01:15:25.400 it's the age of the internet right so you don't think men are dating because they're afraid women are

01:15:29.300 going to abort their child and say do do you think do you think any reasons a monolithic one

01:15:33.900 not necessarily no yeah so so i could have many reasons right okay but you're asking about this

01:15:39.340 one yeah so that's right this one in particular do you think that that would cause incentive

01:15:43.400 more incentive at least for men to be very wary of the dating market if it is the case that women

01:15:49.360 can have the choice over the reproduction of their child no i don't why because it hasn't really

01:15:56.240 changed that much since the 60s oh so i don't i i really don't understand this it even if it is a

01:16:04.480 case that boomers right who didn't really have to deal with this problem as much as it's it's done

01:16:09.480 i mean it's casual now it's casual like do you think in the 60s and 70s that women were female

01:16:15.940 comedians were televising their abortion like sarah silverman no but you said it's more casual right

01:16:20.980 yeah what are that their abort their abortions are more casual and sex is more casual too

01:16:25.800 yes so that doesn't seem like much of a deterrent what do you mean guys are still banging sex

01:16:31.840 yeah correct yeah the sex isn't a deterrent the sex is regardless of relationships the sex is what

01:16:36.940 causes the child andrew the sex is what causes the child dating so if more casual sex is happening

01:16:41.160 then it's not much of a deterrent if you're dating a woman is that casual sex no we're talking about

01:16:45.580 that's what i'm talking about dating yeah say the word it's obviously not if people are having

01:16:50.320 casual sex i don't need to say shit yeah if people are having more casual sex yeah then they're

01:16:55.000 obviously not that deterred by the idea of this woman could terminate the pregnancy so i'm talking

01:16:58.400 about dating those i asked you about that word dating you say casual sex but the casual sex not

01:17:05.020 dating so that you shouldn't logically put that in it makes no sense so we're talking about dating

01:17:09.560 do you think if you're dating a woman right that you would be deterred from dating the thing you want

01:17:15.440 to do by the fact that she has complete and total control over reproduction no because i don't think

01:17:20.260 men are avoiding dating because they're like oh man she might abort my child but really but i thought

01:17:24.780 you just said that there was an uptick in casual sex there is instead of dating not instead of dating

01:17:30.100 i'm saying there's been casual sex for a long time up or down dating is down is casual sex up or down

01:17:35.220 it's about the same as it was probably whenever we were in college no okay no do you think that casual

01:17:42.240 but even if that was the case dating is down casual sex the same so that would it still mean that

01:17:47.980 people are having more casual sex than they're dating right yeah but i don't think there's not

01:17:51.000 dating because they're afraid they're going to have a child you don't even think it could be

01:17:54.060 possibly a contributing factor no you wouldn't even grant a contributing factor no okay what about

01:17:58.660 for the religious is a contributing factor for them i think they're probably not having premarital

01:18:02.520 sex to begin with oh dude just because you're religious right you can you can still give it into

01:18:08.260 temptation right okay don't you think that would be a deterrent i think they're more abstinent than a lot

01:18:15.020 of secular people sure but wouldn't it be a deterrent no no so i don't think a religious

01:18:21.280 person would get an abortion what the hell are you talking about what because you're religious the

01:18:26.040 person you're dating has to be i would imagine if you're dating a religious person you're probably

01:18:31.440 religious too no that's not the case especially not for christian men okay they date secular women

01:18:36.040 constantly okay and it's a it's a fear they talk about often that hey if i slip up and she gets

01:18:42.620 pregnant she can actually just take out my kid there's nothing i can do about it but i want to

01:18:47.160 get which is why they date less and less secular women trying to move more and more towards christian

01:18:50.980 women doesn't that lower the chance of dating no that doesn't okay i know you want to ask a

01:18:58.220 question we'll finish off the chats and you can ask the question here we have jason cassell a really

01:19:03.600 quick kai baka i don't know if you're still watching on twitch it won't let me trigger the gifted

01:19:08.840 subs i think you sent in 40 uh gifted subs on twitch thank you so much kai baka appreciate it

01:19:13.920 we have jason here thank you man appreciate it jason castle donated 100 to the feminist man you may be

01:19:21.500 one of the dumbest individuals to debate andrew you don't know what an ought is you don't know what

01:19:27.380 descriptors are and you said f the logic you are beyond dumb he did say fuck the logic i did

01:19:33.840 i absolutely did why would you say fuck the logic because that's not what i'm here to talk about

01:19:39.340 i'm here to talk about that red pill people are not dating and i don't think it's helping them

01:19:44.060 yeah i know talk about okay it's well here let's let's get through the chats all right i'm gonna have

01:19:49.600 a smoke real quick okay uh and let's see we have jason castle again here jason castle donated 100

01:19:56.920 and you'll be back feminist man the reason the feminism movement has gained the power it has is

01:20:03.040 because of weak dumb men like you way to go dummy you want to respond to jason um i'm glad that the

01:20:10.400 feminist movement has gained as much traction as it has all right thank you jason appreciate that we

01:20:16.040 have uh chef dill pickles coming in here uh thank you for that chef dill pickles appreciate it

01:20:24.360 chef dill pickles donated 99 feminist would you say it's about 13 percent of the father's leaving

01:20:32.760 uh the last stat i have is one in four households are uh fatherless so that sounds about 25 percent

01:20:40.140 all right we have ogle coming in here uh dill pickles thank you for that question we got ogle if you guys

01:20:48.020 want to get a chat in it's uh hundred dollar 99 tts thank you ogle underscore glue dot net donated

01:20:57.160 100 100 fella on the right is a good heart it's in the right place but his brain isn't working

01:21:03.660 properly unfortunately hopefully today's talk at least gives him food for thought over the next few

01:21:09.780 weeks all right ogle uh i appreciate the half compliment i mean i'm not a debater but i literally

01:21:16.700 am here to try to help people get out of depression and get out of the red pill space that's what i'm

01:21:22.160 trying to do all right uh we have ogle thanks again we have uh stream rift here thank you stream

01:21:30.580 rift donated 100 dollars two attorneys a law firm and a sitting judge violated the law to intentionally

01:21:38.520 keep me a dad away from my disabled daughter cuck you for blaming men eastern district of virginia

01:21:45.860 colon one colon 25 cvo 0572 i just want to be clear that sucks man i i that sucks like you can't

01:21:56.280 be with a child i don't know the whole situation i want to be clear i'm not blaming all men but i'm

01:22:00.340 saying that you can't blame single mothers when you're not looking at the fathers too all right

01:22:05.380 stream rift sorry to hear about uh your situation and he included the uh case number two uh lulu here

01:22:11.520 thank you appreciate it lulu donated 100 can this guy debate in good faith instead of resorting to

01:22:19.540 this just my stance the end you came on this podcast to debate so do it when you can't defend

01:22:26.960 when your ideas are challenged why you here okay yeah um so no i came here with an agenda for sure i'm

01:22:36.500 not the best debater this is only my second debate ever um so yeah maybe i miss up on some logic but

01:22:42.180 i am here with an agenda to try to help people get out of the red pill that's all i'm doing

01:22:45.800 all right we have christopher scott here christopher scott donated 100 this dude is such a petulant

01:22:54.580 child no i'm not gonna answer butterfly logic quit whining kitten you want to oh it trans it was

01:23:05.360 it it said it said pussy but it it automatically changes it i don't know why christopher do you

01:23:13.360 want to respond to christopher nah you're good okay uh can you pop the doors open and there's a

01:23:18.280 i i know you said you were hot there's an ice pack there for you if you need it or no i'm good okay

01:23:22.460 mary just grab that ice pack uh once you get a moment all right and then we have some super chats

01:23:26.960 we need to get to it could be i'm red i have the asian flush from the whiskey i think the whiskey

01:23:31.740 might have heated you up i got the asian flush did did i get the asian flush you're uh irish right

01:23:37.700 they're they're kind of asian yeah well they call it the asian flush okay yeah no i've heard of that

01:23:43.840 all right we have emotional damage i once knew a guy who talked uh mary the just on the corner of

01:23:50.180 the table here can i read this yeah go for it i once knew a guy talked like this dummy he's now

01:23:55.580 divorced and happily broke while his wife is living in his house and driving his car he still

01:24:00.900 feels content in his life because he gets to pay her can you take that one because he gets to pay

01:24:06.560 her half of his uh salary lost custody of his kids such a proud feminist emotional damage good to see

01:24:12.920 in the chat thank you thank you sad for that guy but i'm happily married and i don't see that as my

01:24:17.240 outcome how long you've been married for uh coming up on three years together about eight or nine

01:24:23.520 congratulations thank you and may you have many children that your wife can determine whether she

01:24:28.820 wants she wants to abort we don't want children but we're not worried about that that's not

01:24:32.980 why am i not sure are you an anti-natalist no no okay all right we have lucas here uh it looks like

01:24:39.740 there's a string of them one what the concept of submission outlined in ephesians 5 22 wives submit

01:24:47.260 yourselves to your own husband as you do to the lord is not pertinent to intersexual dynamics

01:24:53.460 question mark oh but wait only in your small circle andrew that small circle representing 62

01:24:59.040 percent of the population of the u.s population this guy is a woke clown but let me guess kamala voter

01:25:05.640 yes or did you vote definitely definitely 100 sorry champ my wife and i vote maga unapologetically

01:25:12.600 good-looking wife by the way lucas lucas is uh you know he's gonna have some good-looking kids

01:25:18.320 yeah yeah yeah see he's married he watches the podcast they watch the podcast together that's

01:25:23.900 good do you would you say most of your audience is married most of mine is would you know i heard

01:25:28.100 you say that would you say that she is a misogynist i won't i don't know anything about her is lucas

01:25:33.280 let me caveat it it may not be most of them are married but most of them are in marriageable age and

01:25:40.800 a significant portion is married okay well let me ask you this do you think of the content creators that

01:25:45.360 we're talking about including the audience here would you say most of them are married or in a

01:25:50.120 relationship or would you say the majority aren't of the viewers yeah i haven't pulled them i wouldn't

01:25:55.020 know do you have like i'll go ahead and grant probably the majority of them probably aren't

01:25:58.780 married why would that matter i'm just or in a relationship i don't know i haven't pulled my

01:26:02.840 audience i mean we're kind of about to reach a threshold soon where most of the population is not

01:26:07.700 going to be married or in a relationship the whole point that i'm trying to make is that i think red pill

01:26:11.840 content is furthering that divide yeah because it makes people not want to date actually i wanted

01:26:16.740 to wait let me just finish the chats but all right just if you want just write a note all right we'll

01:26:21.700 get it in oh wait i need to finish lucas hold on just ogle i'll come back to that one in just a

01:26:26.940 moment let me finish up lucas's uh so sir simple lot can you square this circle for me i'm a happily

01:26:32.860 married red-pilled christian nationalist maga voter so based based uh so is my wife so is my wife by the

01:26:40.940 way on each of the preceding fronts and yet according to you he's a i'm a radicalized

01:26:47.580 miserable incel loner misogynist do you want to respond i would love to the studies show that most

01:26:55.400 people who consume red pill content are becoming isolated angry mad at women and they're dating less

01:27:01.300 you are an exception yeah could you say the same about like feminism though which of the studies show

01:27:05.660 that by the way all the ones i gave you the case of misuse of evolutionary psychology and online

01:27:12.140 manosphere communities yep the case for female uh all three things i just cited different studies yeah

01:27:18.240 can you tell me though you didn't you didn't put in who the people were for the studies because

01:27:25.580 oftentimes you can click i'll send you the electronic file well have you heard have you heard of what's

01:27:30.560 called publishing bias sure let's not trust that no no it's not it's not about that listen like hear

01:27:37.360 me out here okay um there's something called the replication crisis you ever heard of that

01:27:42.920 the replication crisis no when you go back to redo sociology studies the vast majority of them can't

01:27:48.960 be replicated okay the vast majority and that would be psychology and sociology would you say that these

01:27:55.180 studies that you gave me are mostly sociological yes okay and would therefore suffer from the

01:28:02.980 replication crisis and that would mean that there's a good possibility that up to 60 percent of what you

01:28:08.900 just gave me here will never be replicated i think when you have so many studies saying similar things i

01:28:13.880 don't think that's an issue i also think that you can grant that most of the red pill community are

01:28:18.920 potential like incels is a there's a venn diagram of people in the right but that's where publishing

01:28:22.980 bias comes in hold on in the red pill community incels are a big part of the red pill community

01:28:27.820 what is an incel someone who's involuntarily celibate meaning they can't have sex even though

01:28:33.120 they'd like to okay so they can't get a hooker i i guess but maybe they don't want to maybe they

01:28:39.060 want a real relationship they're not involuntarily celibate do you not believe in incels so they're

01:28:42.080 not involuntarily celibate well i'm just i'm asking you a question why are you asking me a stupid

01:28:46.040 question no do you not believe in incels can can an incel buy a hooker sure okay and you say they don't

01:28:51.640 want to potentially so how are they involuntarily celibate you think they should buy a hooker no i'm

01:28:57.640 asking how they're involuntarily celibate because they can't get someone to date them andrew but that

01:29:02.020 wouldn't be i'm sorry what does celibacy mean this is the same bullshit you do what are we talking

01:29:08.540 about important if you don't acknowledge that incels are real just say that but don't try to

01:29:12.720 play this game don't play debate club with me don't play debate club with me debate clubbing nothing

01:29:16.860 i'm making sure semantics are straight no it's not see your semantics are a big debate club thing

01:29:21.260 semantics are part of debate do you believe that incels are real do i it's hard to say oh yeah of

01:29:28.040 course you can't just say yes it depends on what you can't just say yes because this is what you do

01:29:31.780 i will say yes or no if you just clarify for me that an involuntary celibate is a person who just can

01:29:39.540 never get sex no matter what that's typically the definition yes okay can these people get prostitutes

01:29:45.480 can they buy prostitutes who knows you don't you don't know if they can maybe they don't have

01:29:49.940 money i have no idea oh okay do incels exist by that definition not my definition do incels exist

01:29:57.280 well it depends well do incels exist from my definition this is some bullshit game my definition

01:30:03.080 of yours anyone's definition just bro i don't know why you don't understand what semantics are i don't

01:30:08.960 understand why you can't answer the question i don't need to be walked through it i don't want to

01:30:12.620 play your game i'm not playing a game yes you are do incels exist oh not by your definition i have

01:30:17.280 no idea if incels exist how could i even admit to oh my god okay let me ask you a question do

01:30:21.220 leflipidus exist not that i know of wait wait what's a leflipidu who knows then how the fuck do

01:30:27.500 you know if they exist or not have you read a study on leflipidus well why would that matter

01:30:32.540 okay i did do leflipidus exist or not okay andrew anyway what i mean by leflipidu what i mean by

01:30:40.380 leflipidu is yes if you have a proprietary definition yeah okay you can't so this this

01:30:45.620 is what's called equivocation it's fallacious argument it's called debate club that's what

01:30:49.120 you're doing it's equivocation it's called debate club are you in a debate i don't think so i think

01:30:53.260 we're having a discussion no why because we're having a discussion about red pill communities

01:30:57.120 before the show didn't you say i'm an excellent we're having a discussion about red pill we're

01:31:00.400 having a fucking but now you're saying that red pill communities don't have incels which is

01:31:03.980 complete what i said well they don't exist in your world not what i said either you're trying to get

01:31:07.820 some stupid definition that doesn't exist listen i'm trying to explain this no you're not trying

01:31:11.220 to do shit except avoid the question when you're done i'll explain you're not trying no i don't

01:31:14.400 need to be excellent i'm gonna explain it anyway well so just let you understand definitionally

01:31:18.920 things can be here's the debate club 101 everybody if you want to be in the debate club listen everybody

01:31:23.180 because this is super important it's right important incels don't exist we're in a debate

01:31:26.480 incels don't exist by the way we're in a debate all you incels out there it's not true all you

01:31:31.500 incels i'm sorry andrew doesn't believe you exist he doesn't think you exist well when when you're done

01:31:35.640 i'll explain i'm not i'm done okay but i'm not gonna listen so i'll explain so if if you're an

01:31:40.220 incel he's not gonna let me speak no if you're an incel andrew doesn't think you exist he thinks

01:31:45.020 you should just go buy a hooker just fyi which would definitely which would andrew just go ahead

01:31:49.500 which if you could buy a hooker by his definition wouldn't make you an incel so how this works is

01:31:53.720 if somebody has a definition of something is proprietary right i don't know what he means by the

01:31:59.520 thing he's asking so i asked him does that just mean you can't get sex under any circumstances yes

01:32:04.500 okay can they buy a hooker yes well then they can't they can get sex under some circumstances

01:32:09.480 so incels don't exist stop bro so by your logic they wouldn't be incels now if you have a different

01:32:14.900 definition than that and you want to give it to me i'm willing to engage with it in good faith

01:32:19.760 you're not arguing in good faith this is complete and utter bad you're not you're not making an

01:32:23.740 argument at all i'm saying incels exist and you're saying well what do you mean by incels yes

01:32:27.460 it's important no it's not important it's proprietary definition is proprietary no it's not important

01:32:32.260 you're making it important it's not okay the fact that you deny that incels exist is so silly not

01:32:37.500 what i did hold on okay so let me read a couple chats and if you guys want to continue talking

01:32:41.940 about that specific thing we will ogle thank you for the gifted 50 memberships thank you so much man

01:32:47.360 really appreciate it guys w's in the chat for ogle he just gifted 50 to the uh whatever community

01:32:52.680 thank you man appreciate it very much we have a couple chats here coming through we have ogle

01:32:58.340 speaking of ogle underscore glue dot net donated 100 it wasn't meant to be a dick i appreciate people

01:33:07.620 who have good intentions and act on them there's just the road to hell is paved for a reason is all

01:33:13.520 i'm saying thanks ogle and honestly man i really am here to try to help as many people as i can that's

01:33:20.000 really all i'm here for i'm not here to win a debate and you know be in debate club i'm trying

01:33:23.640 to really help incels and people in the red pill community who feel lonely and depressed yeah but

01:33:28.220 andrew wants to play definitions all right yeah i know it's terrible i want you to clarify what you

01:33:32.640 mean by things no you want to play a definition game 17 years seven lawsuits filed against me

01:33:39.140 grandparents filed three protection orders three false arrests untold thousands of dollars

01:33:47.220 i won but it almost killed me i don't blame guys he sent one in earlier right was this the same guy

01:33:53.900 who included the case number no that was stream rift uh well it seems like there's some ghost he had

01:34:00.620 another poor experience i assume this is related to divorce proceedings child custody proceedings

01:34:06.600 uh ghost really started to hear that same and honestly man i appreciate that you fight for your

01:34:11.700 children that's all i'm asking for is that men who want to be with their children they fight for it

01:34:15.900 i'm sorry it's so hard that it shouldn't be that hard but that's all i'm saying it should happen

01:34:20.060 should you have a child it shouldn't be so hard it shouldn't be i don't think so okay i you know

01:34:26.360 what great this is great red pill talking point wait let me let me okay go ahead go ahead go ahead

01:34:32.540 they also they also don't believe that it should be so hard and so they're fighting tooth and nail

01:34:38.260 especially um you know men's rights advocacy mras men's rights advocacy groups so that's not so hard

01:34:44.480 that's one subsect of the red pill community but again as we established the red pill content

01:34:49.460 creators that we're talking about promote uh promiscuity well you only mentioned two uh i

01:34:54.440 mentioned three who andrew tate yeah fresh and fit yeah this podcast this podcast does not promote

01:35:00.320 but i'm trying to avoid it because i like brian no no no this podcast does not promote promiscuity

01:35:04.360 okay i would like i need it doesn't promote marriage yes it well you do but i'm not saying you do

01:35:10.760 well wait a second i'm sorry i thought it was supposed to be about dating your whole time

01:35:14.220 wasn't enough about dating it doesn't does it need to promote marriage it doesn't promote marriage

01:35:18.840 does it need to i should it you don't think people should get married should it should well should

01:35:23.260 the dating podcast promote marriage i think so the date the dating podcast should promote marriage i

01:35:29.540 think so yeah i think that isn't that the point you can't ask questions but you can't ask questions

01:35:33.300 about abortion at the point of dating why do you date if you're not going to try to get married

01:35:36.220 can't ask why do you date if you're not going to actually there's a lot of people who want to get

01:35:39.180 who date without getting married yeah okay but should you i don't think so okay well then shut

01:35:44.060 up but don't you no i think i think people should get married if they want to get married that's

01:35:48.440 what i think yeah so then they should be able to date without getting married sure if they'd like

01:35:52.380 to so then what are you even bitching about i'm not bitching i'm saying that that's

01:35:55.560 podcast that's like circular retard shit andrew tate fresh and fit and i'm sorry brian brian doesn't

01:36:02.680 believe in marriage and these people and you're promoting neither do you you don't believe it

01:36:06.540 either yeah i don't i just you just said you literally just said i think people should get

01:36:10.900 married if they want to okay oh great so is that a promotion of marriage they should get married if

01:36:16.020 they want to is that promoting marriage is it sure andrew and answer my question is are you promoting

01:36:23.400 marriage by saying hey everybody you should get married if you want to it's not not promoting

01:36:28.440 marriage well i tell you what it's a lot less than what i promote i'm not saying you

01:36:33.440 me a staple of this show here we'll get we got a couple more chats here guys almost done we got

01:36:39.460 jason cassel oh boy okay here he goes jason cassel donated one hundred dollars i would keep an eye on

01:36:47.120 your wife even feminist women really want real men unfortunately for you you are a feminist so you

01:36:53.940 will probably be okay with it because you don't want to tell her what to do i'd love jason to uh

01:37:00.020 define what a real man is so if he can send in another hundred dollars a real man is a guy who

01:37:05.120 sends in another hundred dollars or champagne pop that's that's an option you know maybe a little

01:37:09.660 liquor for jason or a real man sends in a champagne pop a little liquor maybe uh i don't know if he'll

01:37:14.800 get things a little more aggressive and then i'll make sure that he doesn't get any

01:37:19.260 you'll drink you'll pound the whole bottle all right we got red fox here thank you man thank you

01:37:25.840 jason good to see you man red fox donated one hundred dollars thank you man if your goal is

01:37:30.780 to convince people away from red pill why don't you just talk to andrew and thoroughly think through

01:37:36.240 your position instead you divided the audience you seem like a useful idiot i would love to talk

01:37:43.200 about just the red pill but andrew puts conversations into all kinds of different things we'll talk about

01:37:47.880 abortion we're talking about single mothers we'll talk about all this stuff even though i'm trying

01:37:52.080 to pull people out of this so i'm i'm trying to give a justification for red pill ideology and one

01:37:56.760 such justification would be that women have reproductive control which could create incentives

01:38:01.780 for men to not want to be with women in modernity now you literally told me that is in no way shape

01:38:09.260 or form because i asked you five i wrote it down five times and you said that if that is in no way

01:38:14.260 a contributing factor do you think right now anybody should ever take anything you fucking

01:38:18.300 say seriously after you said that yes absolutely okay because i'm trying to help people get out of

01:38:23.360 this thing you're just trying to keep people divided okay christopher scott donated one hundred

01:38:27.360 dollars thank you christopher you're not here in good faith you won't answer questions you whine

01:38:32.260 about everything and act like a child man up you want to respond to that or no okay uh christopher

01:38:39.460 thanks for the soup chat we have lucas here and then we'll get back to the debate portion lucas

01:38:43.920 uh pink hat wearer i have an honest question for you you say you have a podcast of female guests

01:38:48.680 geared towards helping men do you truly believe right of center men align with your positions

01:38:54.380 or is your target audience white dudes for kamala genuine question from lucas there i appreciate the

01:39:01.120 genuine question um i only started a month ago but i've gotten over a million views and i've gotten a lot

01:39:05.840 of messages from people who are in red pill and they say you're giving me hope that all the stuff

01:39:10.840 that they say out there about a man has to be six foot tall a man has to make six figures a man has

01:39:15.860 to have six pack abs those are the only guys that women want and the women i interview are definite

01:39:20.840 especially the the uh married ones are saying that isn't the case that's black so a lot of people

01:39:25.680 a lot of people have said thank you so much i appreciate it our fathers have reached out to me and said

01:39:31.700 hey i appreciate what you're doing my sons are going to watch your videos because i really hope

01:39:36.720 they don't go down the red pill rabbit hole so it has nothing to do with left ascent i'm not a

01:39:41.100 political person i mean i am personally but my podcast has nothing to do with politics it really

01:39:45.380 is let's help these guys see that women aren't the you know pariahs that podcasts in the red pill

01:39:51.940 space make them out to be you're talking about black pill descriptors i'm talking about people who

01:39:56.080 listen to red pill content yeah i know but that's not even even the guys that you just stated tate all those

01:40:00.480 guys they don't say that that's all women want what they say is that if you want to heighten your

01:40:04.700 chances for dating the type of woman that you want right you would work on male self-improvement and

01:40:10.280 here's things that you could do to do that that is not what they say yes it is what they say you

01:40:13.880 should if women only want high status men that's what they say no they don't say only either yes they

01:40:18.380 do okay so listen do you understand that like if you work at a fucking starbucks as a woman and you're

01:40:24.300 dating a janitor he's high status to you right what yeah did you hear what i said

01:40:30.380 if someone's working at starbucks and they're dating a janitor that man's high status yeah if

01:40:33.660 he's making twenty nine dollars an hour as a fucking janitor and you're a barista he would

01:40:37.580 be high status right i i don't know that they'd see it like that but okay okay yeah well how do

01:40:41.940 they see it you tell me it is like i like this guy i don't want to date him i think that's what

01:40:45.280 they see okay no no how do these red pillars see it they see it as no one who works as a janitor

01:40:50.080 will get a woman no they don't see it that way they do no you're totally they do you're totally

01:40:55.480 wrong on this i know i'm not guys so have i who which one the people who write

01:40:59.500 oh you talk about the content creator i'm talking about the people who follow this yeah i'm talking

01:41:02.220 about the content creators you're talking about i'm talking about the actual people who listen to

01:41:05.540 it and they write me and they say there's no way a woman would date somebody who works at mcdonald's

01:41:10.300 and that's not true and they are listen i don't know what these individuals are telling you talk to

01:41:14.940 the individuals i'm going to tell you what the content creators are saying okay and by the way i also

01:41:18.780 watch what they say okay well here's here's what they say here's what myron gains would agree to and i

01:41:23.260 guarantee andrew tate would agree to it i guarantee you that that both of those guys would and i know

01:41:27.440 brian would as well okay they're trying to say that of course men should work on male improvement

01:41:34.380 that doesn't mean that you're all women on planet earth are only going to want you if you're in the

01:41:40.300 top one percent to the top 15 percent that's fucking absurd you can watch that's absurd tell me why

01:41:47.060 every red pillar i come across believes that they don't they do they don't every red pillar i come

01:41:52.060 across believes you know what show me a message i'll show you go through my tiktok just go to my tiktok

01:41:56.060 right now scroll through my comments no no just show me a single dm i didn't say dm i said comments

01:42:01.100 oh in the comments yeah so what so what that doesn't count people red pillars can't comment

01:42:05.440 oh yeah no you're not sure you're not sure they can write the words the words aren't there trying

01:42:09.500 to answer no you're not i'm not i'm not sure that it's legitimate no because yeah that it

01:42:14.900 legitimately comes from myron gains who would not tell you that a janitor can't date a woman at

01:42:20.660 starbucks that's fucking crazy would never say it in million years i know the guy he would

01:42:25.000 never say that shit i'm telling you that when i ask women would you date someone under six foot

01:42:29.360 tall every guy in there says that's just not true that's just not true that's just not true

01:42:33.240 because they believe the shit that they're seeing from this stuff that's bullshit no it's not it's

01:42:37.480 not bullshit it's true and this is the point i'm trying to make every guy who listens to red pill let

01:42:41.700 me tell you something the fact that you don't care about these fucking guys i don't believe it you

01:42:44.880 don't care about these guys leave you andrew let me tell you something do you think there's a

01:42:48.320 problem with man male on the lives in this country yes okay do you what are you doing about it

01:42:53.200 well i mean the first thing i did was advocate an anti-war position because ptsd is what led to a

01:42:58.420 lot of the unaliving stats that's some of the stats but there's other people that aren't in the

01:43:02.040 military what was your question what do you do to help these people and do you think that advocating

01:43:07.080 for an anti-war stance that doesn't help people when someone has what happened let's say there is no

01:43:12.620 more war and people still have ptsd what do they do well they get treatment okay so you believe in

01:43:17.960 treatment for ptsd there's lots of men's groups which are good for treatment do you believe in

01:43:22.080 treatment for severe depression in some cases what cases wouldn't you advocate for it depend it would

01:43:28.680 depend on the criteria for severe what how what what do you mean i can't get out of fucking bed in

01:43:34.880 the morning and all i think about is unaliving myself yeah like the incels yeah 95 of them report

01:43:39.480 that you may have to have medical no they don't yes they do don't report that they can't get out of

01:43:43.820 bed in the morning 95 oh that's severe depression yeah of course you do because you don't give a

01:43:48.580 shit about people because it's not true you don't care about people that's literally not true do you

01:43:52.360 believe in therapy in some cases therapy can be helpful and in other cases it fucks people up okay

01:43:59.060 what cases is therapy messing well so psychology okay let's get into it psychology is the study of

01:44:04.340 the mind can you tell me what is the disease process for you to diagnose a person with a

01:44:09.180 psychological disorder i don't know but i do know that because it doesn't fucking exist okay so what

01:44:13.480 doesn't mean therapy doesn't work okay how does it work have you looked in the studies about cbt

01:44:17.700 uh cbt like the marijuana stuff no that's cbd what is cbt you don't know about cognitive behavioral

01:44:24.200 therapy no what is it well then what is it it's one of the most successful versions of therapy that

01:44:29.660 have helped a lot of people get out of depression okay what does it do it's a talk therapy that

01:44:33.760 basically shows cognitive distances so it's a study of the mind it's not a study of the mind yes well it

01:44:38.540 has to be because no it's talk therapy we're talk therapy doing what to help you get elevate your

01:44:44.700 mood and get you out of bed and could you go with like i don't know an instrument and do a little

01:44:51.540 test on a guy and be like oh your depression level was here and now it's here do you know how people

01:44:58.080 answer my question do you know how do you know how people typically and then ask no because that's not

01:45:03.300 how it's tested yeah right exactly because it's not because that's not how it's tested it's not a

01:45:06.000 fucking because that's not how it's tested you said answer the question and then i could say so

01:45:09.680 here i am saying that's not how it's tested yeah because it's not a disease depression is not a

01:45:14.140 disease no this is why i know that out there if you're depressed andrew doesn't give a shit about

01:45:18.220 it's not a disease doesn't give a shit about you if you're depressed it's not a disease it's just

01:45:22.160 something in your head i will bet you a hundred dollars right now you can get your cell phone

01:45:26.080 look up if depression is actually a classified disease for the record if you have if you have

01:45:31.720 depression bet if you have depression andrew doesn't care it's not a disease cognitive behavioral

01:45:36.540 therapy doesn't work is it a disease bet a hundred bucks yes okay then then go grab your phone

01:45:42.000 no i'm not grabbing you're not gonna bet no because it's not a fucking disease so people

01:45:45.140 aren't there's not there's not a disease look at if you're gonna like talk to the audience yeah

01:45:48.800 if andrew if you have severe depression andrew doesn't care if you get help he doesn't he

01:45:54.160 doesn't think you should get help because did i say that because depression isn't real by the

01:45:57.820 way depression is not a real thing it's not a disease it's not a disease so that means you

01:46:02.280 shouldn't get it treated because it's not what i consider a disease so okay so i don't understand

01:46:06.880 how do we get from depression's not a disease and that means that depression doesn't exist

01:46:13.640 you don't believe in the treatments for it no no what i was trying to demonstrate to you is that

01:46:18.200 psychology is a study of the mind and because of this you can actually do interventional treatments

01:46:22.600 on people which do more damage than good because tell me a study that it does more damage than good

01:46:28.460 do you know what so you want psychologists to start studying in their own field where 60 70 percent

01:46:36.140 plus the studies can't be replicated and govern their own field by telling you that the studies

01:46:41.540 that they're making are bad therapy isn't real to andrew because you can't replicate it therapy is

01:46:45.880 bullshit yes psychology is bullshit i asked him if he thinks therapy is bullshit i said i asked him

01:46:51.500 if therapy is really said some instances now it's bullshit the real truth comes out there can be

01:46:55.260 therapeutics that work yes but therapy by and large in and of itself as an occupational is bullshit

01:47:00.360 and psychology is bullshit yeah there are several studies that show the improvement there's several

01:47:03.920 studies that are done by the same people who are studying the mind if you're depressed andrew

01:47:08.360 doesn't care about you i just want to point that out i don't understand what when did i say depression

01:47:12.460 is not real you don't care about the treatment yeah when did i say that i don't care about the treatment

01:47:16.800 you don't because you don't believe it exists do you know that you can treat depression with things

01:47:20.840 like hormone replacement therapy that's one avenue yeah so i don't understand um if i would

01:47:26.820 recommend that you would you would do things like hormone replacement therapy under the guide of an

01:47:31.260 actual medical doctor right who didn't get a fucking arts degree in psychology by the way but

01:47:35.800 an actual md right who gives you something like hormone replacement that stuff is truly effective

01:47:42.360 for treating this type of stuff there can be hang on there can be limited instance of men's groups

01:47:47.500 which seem to help with ptsd and things like this but by and large psychology is a fucking crock of

01:47:53.880 shit go ahead and demonstrate for me why it's effective okay so if you have severe depression maybe get some

01:47:59.580 hormone therapy that's what andrew's recommending no instead of going what are you recommending

01:48:03.020 to seek out a therapist read a book what's the cure rate for the severely depressed cbt has

01:48:08.900 significantly improved people with severe depression cbt has how many i don't have the study in front of

01:48:16.460 me but it's significant how much it's significant just like you said earlier you said earlier significant

01:48:20.940 i doubt it that was an acceptable answer before it is now too i doubt it of course you do because you

01:48:24.860 don't think you don't you don't care about people with i don't believe you yeah you don't care about

01:48:28.060 people with severe depression what are you talking about you don't care about them because so many

01:48:31.560 people in the red pill community have severe depression and you don't care so many people

01:48:35.840 in the red pill community have severe depression and you don't give a shit so i you have to understand

01:48:40.700 how illogical this is how much it doesn't make sense yeah because it's all bullshit saying that

01:48:44.560 you should be guarded in the treatment of psychology means that i don't care about people i have depression

01:48:48.560 can you explain that logic to me you don't care about the treatment you don't believe that the

01:48:53.540 treatment is real and you think the only thing you should do is go to hormone treatment therapy and

01:48:57.620 And also you think that PTSD, also you think that people with PTSD, it kind of works there, but if you have severe depression as an incel, it won't work there.

01:49:05.720 Yeah, I didn't say that either.

01:49:06.920 That's what you're saying.

01:49:07.660 You know, you're just strawmanning me.

01:49:08.880 Sure, I'll strawman until you correct me.

01:49:11.380 Okay, so anyway, so are there alternative therapies which you can recommend?

01:49:15.740 You don't even know what CBT is, so what therapies do you know about?

01:49:18.600 CBT is the most popular, by the way.

01:49:19.880 Okay, yes, so what?

01:49:21.780 So you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

01:49:23.180 Okay, so help me out here.

01:49:25.020 What is psychology?

01:49:25.940 It's a study.

01:49:28.920 It's a study.

01:49:30.000 Yeah, it's a study.

01:49:31.060 Okay.

01:49:31.820 Help me out here.

01:49:33.260 Why is therapy bullshit?

01:49:35.860 I didn't say therapy is bullshit.

01:49:38.620 Okay, what I was talking about was psychology being bullshit.

01:49:42.740 There can be therapeutics, I said, which work.

01:49:45.680 A thousand times I've said this.

01:49:48.840 There can be therapeutics, which work.

01:49:51.460 Which ones?

01:49:51.960 But if you're talking about therapists.

01:49:53.880 Which ones?

01:49:54.280 Well, especially for people, so the ones that I'm familiar with are people who have PTSD and there seem to be therapeutics which work inside of these like groups who've gone through very similar experience and then being able to discuss and form communities around these types of things.

01:50:10.720 But I'm not sure that it's because of the discussions as much as it is about the community they're forming.

01:50:17.280 So what is your solution for the vast number of people who consume this content that are reporting severe depression?

01:50:28.340 Well, first of all, you haven't demonstrated that's the case.

01:50:32.540 You just say, here's some studies.

01:50:34.640 No, that's not enough.

01:50:36.320 Well, I'd have to read the studies.

01:50:38.060 Are men unaliving themselves at an alarming rate?

01:50:44.120 What is that?

01:50:45.020 Juice?

01:50:45.340 Oh, thanks.

01:50:46.100 Yeah.

01:50:46.460 Ask me.

01:50:48.440 And that's a concern for you or no?

01:50:50.300 Yeah, it's a big concern.

01:50:52.140 But you don't believe therapy?

01:50:54.480 Well, no.

01:50:55.500 I didn't say.

01:50:56.500 Again, for the hundredth time, some therapeutics can work for some men who are in severe depression.

01:51:01.600 But, you know, it caused a lot of this.

01:51:04.280 I asked you this question earlier, and I've just, in a good faith way, answered a ton of yours.

01:51:09.140 Can you answer this one for me now?

01:51:10.640 What's that?

01:51:11.580 Men who get divorced.

01:51:13.300 What happens to their unaliving rate?

01:51:16.040 Yeah, there's a lot of men who get divorced.

01:51:17.740 And, you know, I get it.

01:51:19.280 And I feel for those men, and I hope that they get the help they need.

01:51:22.360 But you don't care if they get the help they need.

01:51:23.800 Yeah, but why would they need to get help if they didn't get married?

01:51:26.580 Hence, didn't get divorced.

01:51:28.020 Well, people get divorced.

01:51:29.000 That happens.

01:51:29.520 Yeah, but not if they don't get married.

01:51:31.600 Then they don't get divorced.

01:51:34.000 Okay, great.

01:51:34.880 Now, when they get divorced, the primary reasons that they report this depression is that they lost custody of their kids, right?

01:51:42.680 Sure.

01:51:43.440 Yeah, but I thought that women having control over men's kids didn't have anything to do with why men didn't want to get into the dating market.

01:51:53.560 That's not the reason people aren't dating.

01:51:56.020 No, you don't think that a big contributor...

01:51:57.900 That's not the reason people aren't dating.

01:51:59.100 So the reason you think that people aren't dating and marrying is because men are terrified that women will divorce them and take their kids?

01:52:06.320 No, I don't think that's the reason they're not dating.

01:52:08.560 You don't think so?

01:52:09.220 No.

01:52:09.680 And you don't think that's why they're not getting married?

01:52:11.920 No.

01:52:12.400 Oh, okay.

01:52:12.940 Because college-educated people are still getting married.

01:52:14.940 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:15.220 So, okay, is that most men?

01:52:17.600 It's a good percentage, but...

01:52:18.740 No, it's not.

01:52:19.220 Okay, it's a good percentage of women.

01:52:20.620 Yes, but men...

01:52:21.340 They're getting married to somebody.

01:52:22.420 I said men.

01:52:22.600 I asked men.

01:52:22.820 Yeah, but women are marrying somebody, aren't they?

01:52:24.280 I asked men.

01:52:24.880 But women are marrying somebody, aren't they?

01:52:26.260 Just because you're a woman in college doesn't mean you marry a college-educated man.

01:52:29.940 Okay, but that's still...

01:52:31.100 People who are college-educated are still getting married more, including women.

01:52:33.860 Nobody said...

01:52:34.440 So if women are marrying somebody...

01:52:36.020 You disputed this.

01:52:37.080 If women are marrying somebody, they're marrying men.

01:52:38.600 But you're concerned...

01:52:39.620 I thought you were a big marriage advocate, right?

01:52:41.360 Yeah.

01:52:42.160 Don't you want marriage-advocated for?

01:52:43.960 I want people who really want to get married and find love to do it, yes.

01:52:47.300 So you think that these men, who ordinarily would be playing into the dating market, trying

01:52:54.220 to find a wife, are not concerned whatsoever that she's going to divorce him and take his

01:52:59.400 kids?

01:53:00.080 I don't think that is the main reason people aren't dating, no.

01:53:02.880 Okay, then what's the main reason?

01:53:04.420 And I didn't say dating, I said marriage.

01:53:07.160 You have to get a date to get married, Andrew.

01:53:08.640 Yeah, I know.

01:53:09.060 I'm asking about marriage specifically.

01:53:10.680 You have to date to get married, Andrew.

01:53:12.160 Do you think that a big deterrent...

01:53:12.940 You have to date to get married?

01:53:14.740 What does that have to do with my question?

01:53:16.420 The question is, you said, why aren't people getting married?

01:53:18.640 It's like, well, I'm talking about they're not dating, it's juice.

01:53:21.380 It's strawberry lemonade.

01:53:23.060 It's not bad.

01:53:23.460 Fucking garbage.

01:53:23.960 It's strawberry lemonade.

01:53:24.820 It's not bad.

01:53:25.560 So anyway, back to this.

01:53:26.460 I'm asking about marriage, not about dating now.

01:53:28.840 Okay.

01:53:29.400 Marriage.

01:53:29.820 We're talking about people aren't...

01:53:30.780 Why do you think men...

01:53:32.500 Do you think that a lot of men don't want to get married because they're afraid that

01:53:37.340 there could be a divorce and their children taking from them in the future if they get

01:53:41.520 married?

01:53:42.040 No, because I think if they're dating, I think if these people are dating, they're likely

01:53:46.400 to eventually get married should the relationship progress.

01:53:48.720 I don't think they're just staying cohabitating the way you're suggesting.

01:53:51.680 What do you want, dude?

01:53:52.740 I don't know what you want.

01:53:53.420 The water's in frame.

01:53:55.120 Okay.

01:53:55.940 Here you go.

01:53:56.460 Is that part of the thing?

01:53:57.200 It's just, you know...

01:53:58.060 All right.

01:53:58.660 It's his OCD.

01:53:59.740 It's my OCD.

01:54:00.380 Sorry, go ahead.

01:54:01.620 So anyway, back to this.

01:54:04.280 What I'm saying is that I think that if people are dating, the eventuality, should the relationship

01:54:10.380 go well, will be marriage.

01:54:11.880 People aren't dating.

01:54:13.940 That's the whole point.

01:54:15.360 So, okay.

01:54:16.500 So, I don't think if you're dating, you're not going to say, you know what, I can't marry

01:54:19.940 you because I'm afraid you're going to take my kids.

01:54:21.840 That's why I don't think that's happening.

01:54:23.140 So, you think that they would rather stay cohabitating?

01:54:26.060 No.

01:54:26.800 No.

01:54:27.280 I think if you're dating somebody long-term, you're probably going to end up getting married.

01:54:31.040 I bet you're going to cohabitate first usually, right?

01:54:32.840 Sure.

01:54:33.340 Yeah.

01:54:33.700 And what is the number one indicator of unaliving in men?

01:54:38.200 Cohabitation.

01:54:39.900 That's the reason people are...

01:54:41.460 That's the reason?

01:54:42.540 You unalive way more than if you're married, right?

01:54:45.660 If you're cohabitating, unalive significantly more than when you're not.

01:54:49.500 So, what's your point?

01:54:50.340 My point is, is that your prescription, which is more dating, more dating, more dating, and

01:54:54.860 then I ask you, does that lead to more cohabitation?

01:54:57.160 You say, yes, it would actually be your prescription that led to more men unaliving.

01:55:00.600 So, men dating is the reason people are unaliving?

01:55:03.380 No, it's been cohabitating.

01:55:05.280 Which is dating, too.

01:55:06.880 No, you just said that that would be the big side effect, which you're fine with.

01:55:10.140 Okay.

01:55:10.460 So, in order for men...

01:55:11.760 So, my prescription would lead to less unaliving of men, your prescription more.

01:55:15.320 What is your prescription?

01:55:15.860 So, I think if men are dating, that they should not cohabitate.

01:55:19.400 And that's what red pillers think, too, because they actually care about men unaliving.

01:55:24.040 Red pills are going their own...

01:55:25.020 Do you know about men going their own way?

01:55:26.560 MGTOW is different.

01:55:27.700 They're also red pill.

01:55:28.360 And by the way, MGTOW 100% doesn't want cohabitation.

01:55:31.540 I'm not saying they do.

01:55:32.500 They're going their own way.

01:55:33.800 That's another part of the red pill community.

01:55:35.860 Yeah.

01:55:36.060 So, they're pushing do not date.

01:55:38.140 Well, if it's the case that you think dating leads to cohabitation before marriage, and their prescription doesn't lead to that, then they're saving a lot more fucking lives than you.

01:55:47.360 Good one, Andrew.

01:55:47.980 Right?

01:55:48.580 Yeah.

01:55:48.960 Yeah.

01:55:49.200 Me advocating for people to date is going to make people unalive themselves.

01:55:53.460 No.

01:55:53.780 Well, if you think that dating leads to cohabitation, and you're fine with cohabitation.

01:55:58.560 I also don't grant that that's the reason most people aren't aliving themselves, so I'd like to see a study on that.

01:56:03.200 Yeah.

01:56:03.520 Well, actually, I can send those to you.

01:56:05.280 Please do.

01:56:05.980 Yeah.

01:56:06.240 What's your number?

01:56:08.020 I'm not going to say it on air.

01:56:09.140 Look, lighten the camera.

01:56:11.820 No, go ahead.

01:56:13.160 Very good.

01:56:13.400 Here.

01:56:13.660 Let's do a little prompt change here, and we'll maybe try to move through these a bit quicker.

01:56:18.880 So, Raphael, you said that the manosphere exploits male pain, and by extension, I suppose you would say Andrew exploits male pain,

01:56:27.000 but offers no real healing.

01:56:29.520 Can you just specify how, I guess?

01:56:33.340 Yeah.

01:56:33.700 So, a lot of Andrew's rhetoric and content that he pushes is basically, again, demonizing women, demonizing feminism,

01:56:41.620 which makes a lot of the men less willing to date women.

01:56:46.180 And that's why a lot of people in the Red Pill community are not dating women, because they actively see them as adversaries.

01:56:52.380 They actively see them as the enemy.

01:56:53.740 And I think a lot of Red Pill community pushes that message.

01:56:57.320 Just one clarifying question.

01:56:58.640 Yeah.

01:56:59.000 Even if that is what he was doing, can you just, just for the prompt, can you just explain how he's exploiting male pain?

01:57:05.900 Yeah.

01:57:06.320 So, I think the more riled up and angry that the audiences are, the more money people make.

01:57:12.680 That's what I think.

01:57:13.840 That's the exploitation.

01:57:15.200 I make the most amount of money during chill streams.

01:57:16.800 Okay.

01:57:18.580 But it's normally angry men that follow these podcasts.

01:57:23.040 Well, I thought you just said the angrier they are, the more money I make.

01:57:25.340 Right.

01:57:26.200 Okay.

01:57:26.700 Because keeping them angry, they're going to stay around longer.

01:57:28.700 Okay.

01:57:29.000 So, let's, do you think that, like, Joe Rogan, for instance, that he makes all of his money off of angry men?

01:57:40.160 Not necessarily.

01:57:41.360 But I'm not here to, I'm not talking about Joe.

01:57:43.500 Well, I'm just, I thought you just said that you make more money if the audience is angry.

01:57:47.540 The Red Pill community.

01:57:48.460 Oh, it's specific to the Red Pill.

01:57:49.980 Okay.

01:57:50.760 So, just to make sure that I got this right, I'm doing this.

01:57:56.160 I think you are.

01:57:57.020 I think Fresh and Food are.

01:57:57.780 Yeah, but let's just start with me because I'm here.

01:57:59.500 Okay.

01:58:00.040 So, what am I doing that's riling up men and making them upset?

01:58:03.600 You continue to demonize women and that gets your audience excited.

01:58:06.600 Do I demonize women or do I demonize feminists?

01:58:08.480 Both.

01:58:09.540 Okay.

01:58:09.880 How do I demonize women?

01:58:11.380 You say some pretty nasty things about them and I've watched a lot of your podcasts.

01:58:14.480 And if you're going to deny it, that's fine.

01:58:16.100 But you can do it.

01:58:16.360 Yeah, about, okay, so I'm not going to deny that I crack jokes.

01:58:20.480 Sometimes at the expense of women.

01:58:21.840 Just like rape is a joke.

01:58:23.060 At the expense of women, that's true, right?

01:58:25.980 But no, I really don't demonize women as a group.

01:58:30.820 Do you call women a lot of names on your podcast?

01:58:33.380 I call usually a woman.

01:58:35.560 No, you call groups of women names.

01:58:38.520 Like feminists?

01:58:39.400 Yes.

01:58:39.820 No, that's not a name.

01:58:41.200 That's not a derogatory name, at least.

01:58:42.740 It is to me.

01:58:43.500 Well, of course it is because you hate feminism and you continue to demonize it and you continue

01:58:47.400 to demonize women.

01:58:48.460 And you continue to demonize women on your podcast, just like Fresh and Fit, just like

01:58:51.800 Andrew Tate.

01:58:52.160 Do you think if men agree with me about the ideas that I have, right, that they want to

01:58:59.220 date feminists?

01:59:00.640 I don't think they want to date women.

01:59:02.880 Yeah, they definitely want to date women.

01:59:04.300 They're not.

01:59:04.860 They're married.

01:59:05.620 A lot of them are married.

01:59:06.720 Maybe on your individual channel, but not on this podcast.

01:59:09.140 Well, how am I riling up a fucking bunch of men to not get married when they're married?

01:59:12.340 Because you also come here.

01:59:13.020 This is a bigger audience than your channel.

01:59:14.900 Yeah.

01:59:15.100 And guess where they move?

01:59:18.340 My channel.

01:59:19.180 Yeah.

01:59:19.440 The angry men continue to move over to your channel.

01:59:21.200 Oh, okay.

01:59:21.780 Where all the married men are.

01:59:23.160 Not all the married men.

01:59:24.300 Yeah, that's where.

01:59:25.040 Listen.

01:59:25.600 Show me the breakdown of people.

01:59:26.440 A lot of it is married men.

01:59:27.020 Show me the breakdown of people in your podcast that are married.

01:59:29.520 I bet you right now you're about to see a massive sound off of people like I'm married.

01:59:32.900 I would love to see it.

01:59:33.720 All married people.

01:59:35.060 Follow up.

01:59:35.320 Switch over to the live chat.

01:59:36.320 Watch this.

01:59:36.780 Follow in the chat.

01:59:37.560 Yeah, put it up.

01:59:38.960 We could do a poll.

01:59:41.040 Let's see if there's a.

01:59:41.940 Now, this would be the whatever sample, though.

01:59:44.540 But we could do it on the crucible, and I guarantee you.

01:59:46.520 I also don't necessarily think that your poll is going to be accurate, but go for it.

01:59:50.380 Well, I agree.

01:59:51.860 Literally, I do agree with that.

01:59:53.260 But the thing is, YouTube has much better breakdowns.

01:59:57.180 Yeah, they do.

01:59:58.100 So, yeah, if you had asked me, I would have actually sent that before the debate.

02:00:00.540 But that's what I'm saying.

02:00:01.220 I think Fresh and Fit has that breakdown.

02:00:03.080 I think this podcast has that breakdown.

02:00:04.580 I think Andrew Tate has that breakdown.

02:00:05.860 And I can tell you they're probably not married people.

02:00:07.800 Yeah, I demonize mostly feminists.

02:00:09.540 You demonize women, too.

02:00:10.460 You call women all kinds of names.

02:00:11.700 I've heard it myself, especially on your own solo podcast.

02:00:14.400 Why is it, though, that I have so many female followers?

02:00:16.760 You have so many.

02:00:17.580 I actually do, yeah.

02:00:18.480 What's the percentage?

02:00:19.280 About 10% from my channel.

02:00:20.760 Whoa.

02:00:21.680 Do you know that YouTube is male-dominant?

02:00:25.120 Red Pill is male-dominant, yes.

02:00:26.520 No, no, no, no.

02:00:26.940 No, YouTube.

02:00:28.320 So, TikTok is female-dominant.

02:00:30.000 Okay.

02:00:30.360 It's like, I think, 70% women.

02:00:33.480 Okay.

02:00:33.880 Right?

02:00:34.260 YouTube, male-dominant.

02:00:35.460 Okay.

02:00:35.680 Having a channel, right?

02:00:37.880 Like, most women's audience is men on YouTube.

02:00:42.020 Okay?

02:00:42.920 The fact that I have so many female followers is actually not common for a male podcaster.

02:00:50.180 It's actually not common.

02:00:51.320 Well, good for you.

02:00:52.140 But I'm saying that most of the Red Pill community is not that way.

02:00:54.840 Okay.

02:00:55.140 But who are we talking about?

02:00:56.760 I'm talking about the Red Pill community.

02:00:57.660 Yeah, what am I doing, though, to exacerbate this problem of men hating women?

02:01:01.900 I've already explained that.

02:01:03.000 Yeah, not really.

02:01:03.800 You just say, sometimes I crack jokes about them.

02:01:06.060 I didn't say anything about jokes.

02:01:07.100 You said jokes.

02:01:07.740 Yeah.

02:01:07.860 I said you demonize women.

02:01:08.980 Oh, okay.

02:01:09.360 Well, here's the thing, too.

02:01:10.440 I crack jokes about Mexicans.

02:01:12.280 Yeah.

02:01:12.780 Am I demonizing?

02:01:13.220 Your audience could be pretty racist, too.

02:01:14.420 Am I demonizing?

02:01:15.140 Your audience could be pretty racist, too.

02:01:16.340 I encountered them firsthand in our first debate.

02:01:18.580 Am I demonizing them?

02:01:20.360 Mexicans?

02:01:21.480 Um, well, if you're riling up hate for Mexicans in your chat, then yes.

02:01:25.980 Because I've got a lot of Mexicans in my chat.

02:01:27.780 Okay, good.

02:01:28.460 But if I'm making Mexican jokes, I'm going to say jokes.

02:01:32.400 You keep saying jokes.

02:01:33.340 Yeah, because they're jokes.

02:01:34.320 No one else is saying jokes.

02:01:35.020 They're literally jokes.

02:01:36.220 They're literally jokes.

02:01:37.240 Tell me anything I've said about women broadly.

02:01:41.520 Think of a name you've possibly have called women.

02:01:44.180 Think of any name you've possibly have called a large group of women.

02:01:47.500 Just think about it.

02:01:48.260 A large group or all women?

02:01:49.880 Just in general.

02:01:50.400 Is there a comma after large?

02:01:52.320 Like, are you saying large women?

02:01:55.920 No.

02:01:56.520 What's the word?

02:01:58.120 I'm saying women as a whole.

02:01:59.740 As a generalization.

02:02:00.960 What?

02:02:01.540 I'm asking if you've done it.

02:02:03.440 I mean, nothing comes to mind.

02:02:05.580 Okay.

02:02:07.020 Well, I've said what.

02:02:08.160 I just don't think this is in good faith.

02:02:09.340 Well, why don't you say what you think you said?

02:02:11.180 Yeah, what did I say?

02:02:12.360 I mean, you call them sluts.

02:02:13.640 You call them...

02:02:14.380 No.

02:02:14.740 Oh, yes, you do.

02:02:15.500 No.

02:02:16.000 Oh, yes, you do.

02:02:16.840 No, no, no.

02:02:17.980 In fact, slut is not a word I say often.

02:02:20.780 I'll call individual women skanks.

02:02:23.000 Okay.

02:02:23.400 Skanks.

02:02:23.480 I don't actually say slut.

02:02:24.480 Oh, skanks.

02:02:25.140 It's such a funny joke.

02:02:26.100 Yeah.

02:02:26.300 No, no, no.

02:02:26.800 That's not a joke to call an individual woman a skank.

02:02:29.260 You don't do it individually.

02:02:30.500 Yeah, I do.

02:02:31.120 When I say skank, yes, I do.

02:02:32.600 I've seen your show.

02:02:33.220 Give me one time.

02:02:34.660 I just did.

02:02:35.280 Okay, what?

02:02:36.260 I said you call them sluts.

02:02:37.240 I don't.

02:02:37.880 Okay.

02:02:38.580 So I say all women are sluts?

02:02:40.280 You've said it before?

02:02:40.980 It's never happened.

02:02:42.080 I didn't say all women.

02:02:43.140 I'm saying sluts.

02:02:44.440 You just say sluts.

02:02:45.400 I'm saying the word sluts.

02:02:46.560 These are sluts.

02:02:46.920 So if there's two women and they both fucked 100 dudes, I can't say they're sluts?

02:02:50.820 Sure.

02:02:52.720 Sure.

02:02:53.840 How is that demonizing women?

02:02:55.820 Is it saying nice things about women?

02:02:57.840 No, it's saying mean things about those two people.

02:03:00.500 I'm not talking about two people, Andrew.

02:03:02.180 You generalize.

02:03:02.600 If there's two.

02:03:03.440 You generalize about women so much.

02:03:05.960 Oh, my God.

02:03:06.120 And the fact that you won't even admit it is sad.

02:03:08.440 Then you're generalizing about, bro.

02:03:09.240 You're generalizing about men.

02:03:10.060 You're generalizing about women so much.

02:03:11.300 You're calling them incels.

02:03:11.840 And so do.

02:03:12.420 Why are you calling men incels?

02:03:13.400 I have studies that back up that they're incels.

02:03:15.200 Oh, you have.

02:03:15.860 So do I need a study to back up that a chick who's banged 100 dudes a slut?

02:03:20.020 No.

02:03:20.300 You're talking about one person, but you're talking about generalizing all women.

02:03:23.480 I win.

02:03:23.500 That's something you do constantly.

02:03:24.380 And I'm waiting for the example.

02:03:24.940 That's something that Fresh and Fit does.

02:03:26.200 Example.

02:03:26.640 Give me the example.

02:03:27.800 They generalize women.

02:03:28.660 I'm fucking right here.

02:03:29.880 I already have.

02:03:30.040 Tell me what I've said about all women.

02:03:31.360 The point is I'm talking about the red pill community.

02:03:33.140 Tell me about.

02:03:33.440 I'm talking about the red pill community.

02:03:34.880 You said I do this.

02:03:36.040 I'm talking about.

02:03:37.000 You said I do it.

02:03:37.200 Yes, and I did.

02:03:37.880 I've already said what you've done.

02:03:38.820 When?

02:03:39.180 But you're denying it for some fucking reason.

02:03:40.320 Tell me when I've ever said all women have.

02:03:42.280 Do you want to go through all your damn podcasts, man?

02:03:44.260 I think if I did it, you'd have an example since it was pertinent on your list.

02:03:47.420 I've seen you do it.

02:03:48.300 So, yes.

02:03:48.840 When?

02:03:50.200 I don't know.

02:03:50.540 Two weeks ago, Andrew.

02:03:51.420 What the fuck?

02:03:51.820 I've watched a lot of your bullshit.

02:03:53.360 I've seen so.

02:03:54.440 I've loved your voice so much.

02:03:56.100 I'll tell you what.

02:03:56.420 This is fair.

02:03:57.300 What type of content do I do?

02:04:00.780 Mostly political.

02:04:02.920 Mostly political?

02:04:03.800 Yeah.

02:04:04.620 Okay.

02:04:05.320 And what is the number one type of show that I do?

02:04:09.580 You do debates, but I say the topic you debate the most, if it's not Christianity, it's feminism.

02:04:15.880 So, you think the most popular content on my channel is debates?

02:04:20.160 I think so.

02:04:21.460 Okay.

02:04:22.020 Followed by political commentary.

02:04:24.060 Sometimes you have political debates as well.

02:04:25.460 We had a political debate.

02:04:26.280 Yeah, I know.

02:04:26.700 But you just said political.

02:04:27.860 Most of my channel is political commentary.

02:04:29.080 I think you consider yourself a political commentator.

02:04:30.800 That's what you say every time you introduce yourself.

02:04:32.600 No.

02:04:33.720 That's not what I say.

02:04:34.800 I say I'm a political commentator and what?

02:04:37.440 I don't know what the and is.

02:04:38.460 I don't know.

02:04:38.640 A political satirist.

02:04:39.780 Sure.

02:04:40.240 Politics, as I said.

02:04:41.100 A political satirist.

02:04:42.520 Okay.

02:04:43.280 So, am I wrong about you being more political focused?

02:04:47.680 Are you making a different point?

02:04:49.740 No.

02:04:49.900 What I'm saying to you is I don't actually think that you've watched my show.

02:04:54.000 I have.

02:04:54.580 I've also been on your show, Andrew.

02:04:56.100 Then what is the thing my show is the most famous for?

02:04:59.620 The one show that we do that is the most famous thing we do?

02:05:02.780 Isn't it debating?

02:05:04.360 Nope.

02:05:04.940 Not even in the same universe.

02:05:06.500 Then what is it?

02:05:06.940 It's the TikTok invasions.

02:05:09.180 On YouTube?

02:05:09.840 Yeah.

02:05:10.220 That's what made us popular.

02:05:12.140 But that's – maybe that made you popular at one point, but that's not what you're doing consistently.

02:05:15.980 Every week, you're mostly doing debates.

02:05:17.480 Every week?

02:05:18.200 Listen, I do – I actually, many weeks, do less debates than I do invasions.

02:05:22.920 Okay.

02:05:23.400 My point still stands.

02:05:24.600 And by the way, political content, I barely do.

02:05:27.020 Do you deny that the red pill community demonizes women?

02:05:30.560 Yeah, but I want –

02:05:31.200 No, no, no.

02:05:31.760 Answer the question.

02:05:32.660 I will.

02:05:33.000 I will.

02:05:33.100 No, no, no.

02:05:33.540 Answer it now.

02:05:34.320 No, no.

02:05:34.600 No more caveats.

02:05:35.420 No.

02:05:35.520 I want to finish –

02:05:36.340 Does the red pill community demonize women?

02:05:38.160 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:38.520 No.

02:05:38.960 But I want to finish this.

02:05:39.980 It doesn't.

02:05:40.500 No.

02:05:41.140 Okay.

02:05:41.440 No, I don't think so.

02:05:42.340 So, I want to finish this real quick.

02:05:45.340 Have you actually watched my show?

02:05:47.100 Yes.

02:05:48.020 When?

02:05:48.300 When's the last time you watched it?

02:05:49.260 I don't know.

02:05:49.660 This week.

02:05:50.160 I obviously saw what you said to Pearl.

02:05:51.940 I obviously saw what you said to that guy on the iPad.

02:05:53.400 Yeah.

02:05:53.780 Well, you couldn't have seen that on my channel.

02:05:55.480 You saw it on her channel.

02:05:56.440 You demonized –

02:05:56.840 You demonized –

02:05:57.520 You saw it on her channel, right?

02:05:58.920 So, did you demonize red pill communities this week on your channel or not?

02:06:03.700 I might – no, I don't think so.

02:06:05.980 When you call them degenerates?

02:06:07.100 I don't think I called red pillers degenerates.

02:06:09.580 You literally said red pill content creators are degenerates, including Myron Gaines.

02:06:14.720 You even said you had disagreements with Brian.

02:06:16.900 You even mentioned Brian by name in that same statement.

02:06:19.100 Do you remember when I said that there's a difference between the red pill and what?

02:06:23.880 No, I don't know.

02:06:24.400 Content creators.

02:06:25.780 You mentioned Myron and Brian by name.

02:06:27.680 Yeah.

02:06:27.920 So, I'm talking about content creators.

02:06:30.180 Those are content creators.

02:06:30.940 That's not the red pill.

02:06:32.460 The red pill is a descriptor.

02:06:33.700 You said red pill content creators are degenerates.

02:06:36.600 You're not talking about the packet being a degenerate.

02:06:38.880 You're talking about the creators, right?

02:06:40.320 So, the creators are degenerates.

02:06:42.300 So, you mentioned Myron Gaines and you mentioned Brian by name.

02:06:45.840 I didn't.

02:06:46.380 Yeah.

02:06:46.620 So, here's the thing.

02:06:47.800 Again, if you're talking about red pill content creators, there's a lot more of them than

02:06:52.220 fucking Brian and Myron.

02:06:53.240 But we're talking about the big ones.

02:06:54.340 I don't care about the other ones.

02:06:55.200 We're talking about the big ones.

02:06:56.160 The other ones that have the most reach.

02:06:57.040 There's other big ones.

02:06:57.480 We're talking about the ones that have the most reach and that's these people.

02:07:00.120 They have the most reach.

02:07:00.860 Okay.

02:07:01.200 What matters is who's informing their opinions.

02:07:03.840 The content creators.

02:07:04.860 No.

02:07:05.260 No.

02:07:05.480 Yes.

02:07:05.920 Who's informing the content creators' opinions?

02:07:07.220 I don't care.

02:07:08.100 That's what matters though.

02:07:09.520 They're disseminating the message.

02:07:10.680 That's what matters.

02:07:11.380 No.

02:07:11.740 They're disseminating the message to millions.

02:07:12.580 They can't disseminate a message you're not getting.

02:07:15.280 They're disseminating a message.

02:07:16.520 I don't care if you learned about Nazism through something else.

02:07:19.000 If you're disseminating it, you're still disseminating it.

02:07:21.080 So, the thing is that if there's hundreds, hundreds and hundreds of red pill content

02:07:24.680 creators, which there are, all you're doing is pointing to three creators you don't

02:07:27.900 like.

02:07:28.040 The biggest ones.

02:07:29.580 No.

02:07:29.880 First of all, the combination of all other red pill creators would be bigger than these

02:07:33.960 three biggest ones.

02:07:34.840 Okay.

02:07:35.120 Sure.

02:07:35.400 But they're the biggest ones.

02:07:36.260 No.

02:07:36.440 They're not.

02:07:36.960 The combination of the message that you're talking about.

02:07:38.860 Then why'd you highlight those two?

02:07:39.840 It's not the biggest message.

02:07:40.640 Then why'd you highlight Myron Gaines?

02:07:41.980 You highlighted them.

02:07:42.540 You did on your own show.

02:07:43.560 We can pull it up right now.

02:07:44.520 And when I was debating with Pearl?

02:07:45.360 I'll tell you why when I was debating with Pearl.

02:07:46.500 I'm not talking about Pearl.

02:07:47.300 I'm talking about when you were talking to that guy on the iPad.

02:07:49.400 You said your sound's low.

02:07:50.520 If you don't remember, it's because of your lack of sleep.

02:07:52.720 But you were talking to a guy.

02:07:53.660 I think it was on Tuesday.

02:07:54.540 On your own show, you said red pill content creators are degenerates.

02:07:59.300 I don't know what the context is.

02:08:01.400 It's literally that.

02:08:03.020 There is no context.

02:08:03.860 Of course you're trying to weasel out of this.

02:08:05.380 Of course you're trying to weasel out of it.

02:08:06.600 How the fuck would I know?

02:08:07.300 Do you want to pull it up?

02:08:08.200 Actually, I do.

02:08:09.000 Okay.

02:08:09.360 Let's go to his channel.

02:08:10.460 What show is it?

02:08:11.140 Whatever you were talking to that guy on the iPad, whoever that homie was that you

02:08:13.900 were talking to, I don't know who he was.

02:08:16.180 I've never seen him before.

02:08:17.380 But you were on the show.

02:08:18.340 I think it was Tuesday.

02:08:19.200 And you said this exact day.

02:08:20.340 I would love to pull this up.

02:08:22.060 Yes, it was on the Crucible.

02:08:23.680 I would love to show this.

02:08:25.340 Okay.

02:08:25.680 I would love to have this pulled up.

02:08:27.480 Let's show it.

02:08:29.500 Can we pull it up?

02:08:30.280 Is it behind your paywall?

02:08:31.380 I don't know.

02:08:31.920 I don't think so.

02:08:32.360 I saw it.

02:08:33.380 He saw it.

02:08:34.500 Well, if somebody in the audience can send us the clip of it.

02:08:38.680 Yeah.

02:08:38.860 You want me to do it?

02:08:39.560 Yeah.

02:08:40.660 Sure.

02:08:41.260 While we're doing that, Mary, can you pull up?

02:08:42.900 We did the pull.

02:08:43.680 Send the clip.

02:08:44.300 We had 2,200 people answer the pull.

02:08:48.400 Are you married is the question.

02:08:49.840 And 38% say yes.

02:08:53.380 62% say no, just because you guys were curious if the audience was married.

02:08:58.420 That's actually more honest than I thought it would be.

02:09:00.680 38%.

02:09:01.040 All right.

02:09:01.600 Here, I'll read some chats while you're looking at that.

02:09:04.060 We have, and guys, if you want to get a chat in, $100 for a TTS.

02:09:10.540 If you want to get a little message in here while we're getting that pulled up.

02:09:13.700 We have Lucas.

02:09:14.540 Oh, wait.

02:09:15.660 It's 2?

02:09:16.420 Lucas donated $100.

02:09:18.040 What was your first one, Lucas?

02:09:19.120 2 slash dot dot my old man, OMD slash PhD in biology, very much a red pill man.

02:09:26.360 Everything that is bandied about these days in the red pill community, I heard from my

02:09:31.160 old man some 25 years ago, almost verbatim.

02:09:35.180 Yeah.

02:09:35.360 I don't know what he's talking about with this shit, but I can't get a logical argument out

02:09:38.880 of him.

02:09:39.180 He just makes emotional appeals.

02:09:41.060 Lucas, was your first message via YouTube super chat?

02:09:45.160 Because I don't see the first one, but thank you for that, Lucas.

02:09:48.880 Did you find it?

02:09:49.720 I'm not doing it yet.

02:09:50.700 We'll give him time.

02:09:51.440 We got chat.

02:09:52.020 Jason Castle donated $100.

02:09:54.120 Hey, chat.

02:09:54.580 Is it too loud?

02:09:55.240 Real man.

02:09:55.520 The TTS.

02:09:56.140 Andrew and maybe Brian, not a real man.

02:09:58.460 Feminist men like you.

02:09:59.560 Pretty simple.

02:10:00.300 Just kidding, Brian.

02:10:01.660 Damn.

02:10:02.020 That's crazy.

02:10:02.660 Damn.

02:10:03.200 Jason, what the fuck?

02:10:04.800 Is the TTS a little too loud, chat?

02:10:06.940 Let me know if the TTS is a little too loud.

02:10:08.700 We have Lucas with his follow-up.

02:10:10.720 Thank you, Lucas.

02:10:11.520 Thank you, Jason.

02:10:13.240 Appreciate it.

02:10:14.500 Chat, is it too loud?

02:10:15.920 Let us know if it's too loud.

02:10:17.000 We got another one coming in here in just a sec.

02:10:19.340 Okay.

02:10:21.600 Lucas donated $100.

02:10:24.060 Thank you, Lucas.

02:10:24.500 Do you want to respond to Lucas?

02:10:38.040 He called you.

02:10:38.720 I'm not the script through it, but do you remember this conversation?

02:10:41.140 Yeah.

02:10:41.380 Do you know how long ago that was?

02:10:43.100 A couple days ago.

02:10:43.900 Two years ago.

02:10:45.200 Okay.

02:10:45.700 So this says two days ago for the record.

02:10:47.620 Yeah.

02:10:47.880 The clip got posted two days ago, but the conversation was from two years ago.

02:10:51.760 So your channel posted a clip from two days ago where you said red pill communities are degenerate.

02:10:56.060 Well, I don't know.

02:10:56.660 I don't even know if that was said.

02:10:57.740 I'm just explaining to you that that's a really old conversation.

02:11:00.160 You can play the audio on it.

02:11:00.860 I'm trying to find the date of the time.

02:11:02.360 It's a long clip, obviously.

02:11:03.420 Well, I think it's two years ago.

02:11:04.860 Maybe a year and a half ago.

02:11:05.880 I'm not sure.

02:11:06.560 Yeah.

02:11:07.000 Rick.

02:11:07.440 Rick is more.

02:11:08.100 But I'm pretty sure it's not from the last year with Donovan.

02:11:12.220 While you're looking for that, we have Charlie B.

02:11:14.040 Can I send you the link?

02:11:14.820 Charlie donated $100.

02:11:17.400 More people today are medicated.

02:11:19.700 More people today are in therapy.

02:11:21.400 Thank you, Charlie.

02:11:22.120 How is it working?

02:11:23.580 Explain the difference between anxiety slash depression and the felling of the human condition.

02:11:29.500 Okay.

02:11:29.940 So, yeah, we're definitely seeking more help than we ever have, which is why it seems like we're overly medicated.

02:11:35.280 But it's because people are actually trying to get the help for the first time.

02:11:38.840 Anxiety is more a general worry about the future.

02:11:41.600 It's a very general thing.

02:11:43.220 And depression is more of a general overwhelming sadness that is more than just the emotion.

02:11:49.180 It's like you literally can't function in society.

02:11:52.380 You just feel absolutely down.

02:11:54.500 All right.

02:11:54.640 Yeah.

02:11:55.620 It's really interesting to me that...

02:11:57.500 The Realtarian donated $100.

02:11:59.620 Thank you, Realtarian.

02:12:00.220 A good chunk of Andrew's viewers are red-pilled men and women, and he does more for his audience than 99% of creators out there.

02:12:08.280 Watch his reverse grift streams as one example.

02:12:11.600 Thank you, Terry.

02:12:12.140 Yeah, he has no idea.

02:12:14.020 He's never watched the show.

02:12:15.380 Right.

02:12:15.720 I'm just pulling up a clip from the show you said, right?

02:12:18.160 Yeah, you watched a clip from how long ago?

02:12:22.260 Two days ago.

02:12:23.100 I'll just read the chat while we're waiting on this.

02:12:25.200 Lucas, do you...

02:12:25.540 I mean, I got posted two days ago.

02:12:27.040 You are creating a straw man character of what the red pill is.

02:12:29.540 As Andrew said, the intellectual godfather of the so-called red pill, Rola Tomasi, is in a 30-year marriage with a 20-something-year-old married daughter.

02:12:38.780 For that matter, I would consider my...

02:12:42.120 Oh, he continued it on...

02:12:45.540 Oh, he continued...

02:12:48.460 Okay, so the super chats that were marked two and three is following this super chat.

02:12:53.720 The ones that came in through Streamlabs where he said, my old man is very much a red pill man, and then three, yeah.

02:13:00.240 Thank you, Lucas.

02:13:01.040 Appreciate that.

02:13:01.840 Sorry for the confusion there with the ordering on these.

02:13:05.320 Appreciate your support, man.

02:13:06.640 Why don't we swap the chair, Mary?

02:13:07.900 Can you just get a chair?

02:13:08.780 Because your chair's a little squeaky.

02:13:10.600 Swap a chair while he's trying to find this.

02:13:13.480 CBT is BS.

02:13:15.120 When I first noticed I had issues doing things I enjoy, I turned to the VA.

02:13:19.020 Psychology there used CBT and told me to just go out and do the things I enjoyed.

02:13:22.180 There's nothing about how to do it.

02:13:24.640 I'm not 100% P&T disabled because of this worthless crap.

02:13:30.600 Brian S., thank you for the YouTube super chat, man.

02:13:33.000 Brian, I'm sorry for that experience, but I highly recommend a book called Feeling Good by Dr. David Burns.

02:13:38.740 It's a really good book on CBT, and it's something you can enact on your own before you even seek therapy,

02:13:44.260 but it is something that I highly recommend you read.

02:13:46.600 All right, Raphael, we're going to swap chairs because this chair's been a little squeaky.

02:13:50.860 Crazy to me with all this treatment available that when people were coming back shell-shocked from world wars,

02:13:57.040 they were unaliving themselves less than they are right now at your age.

02:14:00.740 Here, just pass it to her.

02:14:01.900 Okay.

02:14:02.640 Here, we have Joe.

02:14:03.840 But true.

02:14:04.880 Joe, thank you for the super chat.

02:14:06.140 Appreciate it.

02:14:07.640 Just a blank one.

02:14:08.840 Appreciate it.

02:14:09.720 We have Guy Sneeden.

02:14:12.020 Thank you.

02:14:12.680 Tuck that in.

02:14:13.160 I don't date because 304s are trash.

02:14:16.200 Conservative women are hard to find.

02:14:17.680 Brian and Andrew are awesome.

02:14:19.300 Guest, give your blue-haired wife my number.

02:14:21.480 I'll show you what a real man is.

02:14:23.840 Do you want to respond to Guy Sneeden here?

02:14:26.140 And does your wife have blue hair?

02:14:27.900 She doesn't.

02:14:28.460 She has blonde hair, beautiful blonde hair.

02:14:29.860 But I will say that the fact that you're calling women 304s indicates that you're probably single.

02:14:36.740 And I doubt you could pleasure a woman.

02:14:40.320 Wow.

02:14:41.020 Guy Sneeden says you're probably single, incapable of pleasuring a woman, incapable of getting her.

02:14:47.500 Okay.

02:14:48.060 Thank you.

02:14:48.620 Guy Sneeden, if you want to respond, we got scurbederby.

02:14:51.800 Exactly.

02:14:52.500 Emotional appeal after emotional appeal.

02:14:54.040 Yeah, I'm here for an emotional appeal.

02:14:55.880 This guy has been making emotional appeal after emotional appeal, but can't back it up with logic.

02:15:00.760 In fact, he said, F logic.

02:15:03.780 That's where he lost the audience.

02:15:05.560 He won't answer questions.

02:15:06.600 Won't answer them.

02:15:07.100 Dude, you know that guys are bent towards logic, so why don't you make an F-ing argument?

02:15:11.900 The argument is a lot of red pillers are isolated.

02:15:15.280 They're angry.

02:15:16.060 They blame women, and they're dating less.

02:15:17.700 I'm trying to help them stop doing that.

02:15:19.620 And red pill content is pushing them further down the rabbit hole.

02:15:22.580 Erroneous.

02:15:23.840 Erroneous.

02:15:24.320 It's not erroneous.

02:15:24.880 It's literally factual.

02:15:25.620 That's a, just so you know, that's still not actually an argument.

02:15:29.940 That's just a statement.

02:15:31.980 Well, it's a true statement.

02:15:34.500 Well, but it doesn't tell us anything.

02:15:36.640 We got to get back to it, so were you able to find it?

02:15:38.900 Or I'm going to move it on to next.

02:15:40.120 No shock.

02:15:40.660 You couldn't find it.

02:15:41.520 It's there, Andrew.

02:15:42.740 Give me another 10 minutes.

02:15:43.920 How about that?

02:15:44.700 We're in the middle of a life.

02:15:45.480 No, he's saying this bullshit, like trying to weasel out of it.

02:15:47.920 Because he doesn't, you know what, Brian?

02:15:49.440 He doesn't want you to hear it.

02:15:50.360 That's the reason.

02:15:51.040 I want him to hear it.

02:15:51.320 He doesn't want you to hear it.

02:15:52.360 You're a fucking degenerate.

02:15:53.920 He doesn't want you to hear it.

02:15:54.940 Many times I've told him to his fucking face he's a degenerate.

02:15:57.940 So you don't deny that you said Red Pill people.

02:15:59.680 Do you know what I think it is?

02:16:00.300 Hold on.

02:16:00.720 So you don't deny that Red Pill content creators are degenerates?

02:16:03.460 Do you know what a degenerate is?

02:16:04.180 You just said it.

02:16:04.880 You just said it.

02:16:05.640 Bro.

02:16:06.420 Do you know what a degenerate is?

02:16:08.040 I have premarital sex.

02:16:10.120 He thinks I'm a degenerate.

02:16:11.180 I think that's degenerate.

02:16:11.560 And Red Pill content promotes that.

02:16:13.560 You also promote it.

02:16:14.860 You're a fucking degenerate.

02:16:16.100 Okay, I'm a degenerate.

02:16:16.960 Wait, are you against premarital sex?

02:16:18.460 Like you promote it.

02:16:19.740 I know, but I think Red Pill people, that's what I'm saying.

02:16:22.420 You don't believe in Red Pill communities.

02:16:24.280 Oh my God.

02:16:25.340 How many times do I have to tell you this?

02:16:27.200 But you're not Red Pill.

02:16:28.280 I'm not a Red Piller.

02:16:29.200 But you advocate for them.

02:16:31.460 No.

02:16:31.660 You literally go on their shows.

02:16:32.860 Bro, I advocate for the Red Pill.

02:16:35.220 Not for Red Pill.

02:16:37.060 Ex-content creator.

02:16:38.720 Myron Gaines having sex out of marriage?

02:16:40.520 Fucking degenerate.

02:16:41.580 Yeah.

02:16:41.760 I told him that to his face.

02:16:42.820 And what messages are they-

02:16:43.380 Hang on, stop, bro.

02:16:44.460 My turn.

02:16:44.900 And what messages-

02:16:45.160 Shut up.

02:16:45.660 Shut the fuck up.

02:16:46.400 And what messages are they promoting to their audience?

02:16:49.760 When you're done filibustering, I'll tell you.

02:16:50.780 And what messages are they promoting to their audience?

02:16:53.300 Okay.

02:16:53.900 What message?

02:16:54.540 Go ahead, Andrew.

02:16:55.160 Yeah, yeah.

02:16:55.660 So here, just so you know, I've called most of these guys.

02:16:59.660 Hey.

02:17:00.020 Okay, most of these guys, but especially fucking progressives like you, degenerates,

02:17:03.920 because all of you who promote sex outside of marriage are fucking degenerates, from my view.

02:17:08.060 Have you ever had sex outside of marriage?

02:17:09.240 Do you understand that?

02:17:09.720 Did you have sex outside of marriage?

02:17:10.880 Oh, so you're a degenerate?

02:17:11.760 I was.

02:17:12.460 Okay.

02:17:12.980 Good for you.

02:17:13.500 You saved yourself.

02:17:14.540 Yeah.

02:17:15.360 What the fuck?

02:17:15.960 Yeah.

02:17:17.280 Were you-

02:17:18.000 Did you have something else there to go with, like, your little-

02:17:22.280 Did you own me?

02:17:23.700 I don't think-

02:17:24.000 Yeah, you feel like you owned me on that one?

02:17:25.460 A little bit.

02:17:25.960 A little bit.

02:17:26.640 New prompts.

02:17:27.400 New prompts here, guys.

02:17:28.220 You feel like you got me on that?

02:17:30.060 Yeah.

02:17:30.480 It was Andrew Wilson completely consistent again?

02:17:34.520 So, okay.

02:17:35.620 In your TikTok bio, or this might be on your Instagram, you say, masculinity, dating, and

02:17:41.040 what women actually want, unfiltered.

02:17:43.580 Right.

02:17:44.460 What do women actually want?

02:17:46.520 I don't have a prescription for what women want.

02:17:48.800 I ask them what they want, and they tell me.

02:17:50.440 That's all.

02:17:50.860 And I share that information.

02:17:52.000 That's it.

02:17:52.760 I don't tell them anything.

02:17:53.840 I don't prescribe anything.

02:17:54.880 Do you-

02:17:55.440 Ah, well, okay.

02:17:56.120 I'm not gonna-

02:17:56.700 Um, let's go over some of the other prompts, then.

02:17:59.300 You have, uh, men, uh, healthy masculinity is expansive, not rigid.

02:18:06.340 Can you just, uh, define what you mean by that, I guess?

02:18:09.020 Where is that?

02:18:09.580 Where did I say that?

02:18:10.400 It was in one of the-

02:18:11.360 You said, positive claims, I would make, in the debate, healthy masculinity is expansive,

02:18:16.600 not rigid.

02:18:17.360 Can-

02:18:17.560 What do you mean by that?

02:18:18.480 Yeah, I just don't subscribe to the idea that there's only one way to be considered,

02:18:22.960 quote-unquote, masculine.

02:18:24.040 So, like, traditional gender roles, you would say?

02:18:26.160 Uh, traditional gender roles.

02:18:27.140 You can be masculine in a traditional gender role, but I think if you're not, that doesn't

02:18:29.980 necessarily mean you're less masculine.

02:18:31.460 For example, if your wife makes more money than you, I don't think that makes you less

02:18:34.100 masculine.

02:18:34.660 Okay.

02:18:35.260 Andrew, so the-

02:18:36.480 The positive claim he makes is, healthy masculinity is expansive, not rigid.

02:18:40.980 Is that something you want to bite on?

02:18:42.680 Yeah, but we'd have to get into semantics.

02:18:45.080 I don't want to get into semantics.

02:18:46.940 That I can't get a position.

02:18:48.460 No, because-

02:18:49.100 For the sake of the conversation, will you get into semantics?

02:18:53.800 I hear what you're saying, but-

02:18:54.880 Do me a solid.

02:18:56.000 But I get it.

02:18:56.740 Are you my homie?

02:18:58.300 We're homies.

02:18:58.980 We're homies.

02:18:59.400 We're homies.

02:18:59.860 But what I'm saying is, Andrew has these, does these tactics, man.

02:19:02.880 It's not about-

02:19:03.980 No, because-

02:19:04.780 But he's doing bad faith arguments, Brian.

02:19:06.580 I brought you strawberry lemonade.

02:19:07.100 I appreciate it, but he's doing bad faith arguments.

02:19:08.960 I didn't like the strawberry lemonade.

02:19:09.400 He's doing bad faith arguments.

02:19:10.220 I haven't even made an argument.

02:19:11.120 But you will.

02:19:12.000 I know you.

02:19:12.860 So, I'm going to make-

02:19:13.800 You're mad because I'm about-

02:19:15.020 You're going to make a bad faith argument.

02:19:16.340 Stop me from preemptively making an argument.

02:19:18.700 Okay.

02:19:19.060 Let's get into it.

02:19:20.560 Okay, great.

02:19:21.140 Let's do some answers.

02:19:21.760 Did you like the lemonade, by the way?

02:19:23.020 I just want to know what you mean by masculinity.

02:19:25.000 What does that mean to you?

02:19:26.340 I don't have a solid definition.

02:19:28.060 My general definition of masculinity, and it's very loose, is basically men doing the

02:19:33.620 right thing because it's the right thing.

02:19:35.200 And it's not the best definition because I don't think masculinity can be so defined.

02:19:39.660 What?

02:19:40.180 That's my definition.

02:19:43.200 Men doing the right thing because it's the right thing.

02:19:45.580 Correct.

02:19:46.000 What's the right thing?

02:19:48.880 Protecting people, being good to people.

02:19:50.720 That's what I think is masculine.

02:19:52.800 Protecting people and being good to people.

02:19:54.380 Mm-hmm.

02:19:55.020 Okay, but what does good to people mean?

02:19:56.780 What does that mean?

02:19:57.260 See, I'm not getting into morality.

02:19:59.100 I'm not doing that.

02:19:59.360 I'm not even getting into-

02:20:00.240 But that's where it goes.

02:20:01.180 I didn't ask you a moral question.

02:20:01.500 That's where it goes, Andrew.

02:20:02.860 That's where it goes.

02:20:03.440 No, I'm just asking what this means.

02:20:05.660 I gave you my definition.

02:20:07.060 Move on.

02:20:08.060 Provide your definition.

02:20:09.320 Provide whatever it is you want to do.

02:20:10.980 So I can give you my definition of masculinity, but you haven't given me yours.

02:20:15.180 I did.

02:20:15.660 Go for it.

02:20:16.320 I did.

02:20:17.540 I just want to make sure I got it right then, and I'm going to write down every word.

02:20:21.240 Masculinity is men doing the right thing.

02:20:25.780 Because it's the right thing.

02:20:26.980 Not for any sort of transaction or reward.

02:20:28.760 Is men doing the right thing because it's the right thing?

02:20:32.800 Yes.

02:20:33.300 Now, I need you to understand this.

02:20:35.280 I know that you think that these are sneaky debate tricks, right?

02:20:38.880 Even though I've sat across this table.

02:20:41.040 This, by the way, is the first time ever that I've been in studio and had a one-on-one debate

02:20:45.920 where it's even been slightly heated.

02:20:48.500 And usually we start, serious, where it's been a 1v1, where it's even been-

02:20:52.540 Well, no, with two degenerates.

02:20:53.940 That was the only other time.

02:20:55.280 Literally, that was the only other time in a 1v1 where it was even really heated.

02:20:57.840 Yeah, you've never gotten heated.

02:20:58.620 You've never gotten heated, dude.

02:21:00.040 It was pretty tame.

02:21:01.220 No, I'm serious.

02:21:02.000 You've never gotten heated.

02:21:03.500 No, what did I just say?

02:21:04.660 In a one-on-one debate, it's never been heated.

02:21:07.060 No, no, no.

02:21:07.760 What did I fucking see?

02:21:08.840 You don't even listen, dude.

02:21:09.880 You don't even want to listen.

02:21:11.080 This is the only one.

02:21:11.900 I said, in this studio, this is the only 1v1 that I can think of where it's even gotten heated.

02:21:19.240 Okay.

02:21:19.860 Yeah.

02:21:20.480 That's the case.

02:21:22.400 And usually it's because I clarify everything before we start talking about it so we're not

02:21:27.420 talking past each other.

02:21:28.400 Yeah, because you love definitions.

02:21:29.700 It's your favorite thing in the whole world.

02:21:30.580 Dude, how do we know what we're talking about?

02:21:32.120 We know what we're talking about.

02:21:33.080 No, I don't know.

02:21:33.760 Yes, you do.

02:21:34.660 Okay.

02:21:35.980 Masculinity is men doing the right thing.

02:21:37.860 Okay.

02:21:38.240 Well, I think the right thing is for you to fucking, I don't know, punch yourself in the

02:21:41.780 fucking dick.

02:21:42.500 Now, do it.

02:21:43.140 Great.

02:21:43.780 So you're feminine.

02:21:45.540 That's your...

02:21:45.880 You're feminine.

02:21:46.540 Okay.

02:21:46.980 Punch yourself in the dick or you're feminine.

02:21:48.420 Yeah.

02:21:48.580 Okay.

02:21:49.540 Yeah.

02:21:50.040 Because you're feminine.

02:21:50.880 Good point.

02:21:51.400 Fucking stupid, dude.

02:21:52.640 You have to tell me what these things mean.

02:21:54.620 Good point.

02:21:55.220 Tell me what it means.

02:21:56.340 What does it mean?

02:21:56.940 What is the right thing?

02:21:57.560 That's my definition.

02:21:58.160 Go ahead and define your thing.

02:21:59.320 No, I'm not doing it.

02:22:00.260 I'm not doing it.

02:22:00.840 Tell me your definition.

02:22:01.840 What is the right thing?

02:22:02.380 Tell me your definition.

02:22:03.140 You haven't told me anything.

02:22:03.920 Tell me your definition.

02:22:05.560 Tell me your definition.

02:22:06.460 I think that masculinity is when men beat up women.

02:22:10.180 Tell me your definition.

02:22:10.860 I just did.

02:22:11.480 Okay.

02:22:11.840 Well...

02:22:12.080 I think masculinity is when men beat up women and kick them while they're down.

02:22:15.240 That's the only way to be masculine enough, man.

02:22:16.940 You say that in jest, but a lot of truth is said in jest.

02:22:18.880 No, it's 100% true.

02:22:19.920 A lot of truth is said in jest.

02:22:21.340 You got to...

02:22:21.840 A lot of truth...

02:22:23.140 A lot of truth is said in jest.

02:22:23.960 You know, you got to really get in there.

02:22:25.380 Yeah.

02:22:25.600 Joking like that is...

02:22:26.660 Oh, that's coming from a real place for you.

02:22:28.280 That's coming from a real place.

02:22:29.700 Yeah.

02:22:29.820 That's coming from a real solid place.

02:22:31.200 Yeah.

02:22:31.260 I mean, I would give you a definition.

02:22:32.220 Yeah.

02:22:32.240 No, that's coming from the soul, Andrew.

02:22:33.720 Yeah.

02:22:33.880 I'd give you a definition.

02:22:34.320 That's coming from the soul, buddy.

02:22:35.120 Are you going to ask me questions about the definition?

02:22:36.120 That's coming from the soul.

02:22:37.360 Are you going to ask me questions about it?

02:22:37.980 Oh, man.

02:22:38.500 You really...

02:22:39.260 You meant that.

02:22:40.340 Yeah.

02:22:40.500 You meant that.

02:22:41.040 Yeah.

02:22:41.260 But you got to kick them when they're down.

02:22:42.760 Yeah, of course.

02:22:43.540 Yeah.

02:22:43.960 You can't let the bitches up.

02:22:45.160 Yeah.

02:22:45.520 It's just a joke, right?

02:22:46.580 It's just a joke.

02:22:47.200 Yeah.

02:22:47.560 A lot of truth is said in jest, Andrew.

02:22:49.260 Yeah.

02:22:50.140 Is it?

02:22:51.020 Absolutely.

02:22:52.380 Like when you were...

02:22:53.300 Before the show started, and you were making Kate shows about yourself?

02:22:57.200 Is it where you tried to tell me something?

02:22:58.880 I never once did that.

02:22:59.800 What are you talking about?

02:23:00.180 Oh, come on, dude.

02:23:01.200 What are you...

02:23:01.500 Did he just really make that up just to say some bullshit on there?

02:23:04.500 Come on, dude.

02:23:05.620 Did I miss something?

02:23:06.720 No.

02:23:07.040 Everybody missed it because that never fucking happened.

02:23:08.780 What I'm pointing out to you, right, is when you're bad faith like this, I'm going to

02:23:15.060 be bad faith back.

02:23:16.320 Okay.

02:23:16.620 Go for it then.

02:23:17.580 You've been bad faith this whole time.

02:23:19.020 There's no...

02:23:19.620 Bro, asking you...

02:23:20.860 You're a bad faith debater.

02:23:21.460 Asking you about your proprietary fucking definition is the opposite of bad faith.

02:23:23.860 I gave you my definition.

02:23:25.300 I'm not going to go into morality because then it becomes...

02:23:27.260 We're not even going into morality.

02:23:28.680 I'm just asking you what the right thing is.

02:23:29.740 When you ask somebody what good is...

02:23:31.140 I'm just asking you what the right thing is.

02:23:31.520 When you ask somebody what is good, is that not morality?

02:23:33.580 They define the fucking thing by what is good.

02:23:35.960 Then I have to ask you what good is.

02:23:37.340 You fucking dolt.

02:23:38.140 But that's what I'm saying.

02:23:38.820 God, you're dumb as a box of fucking rocks.

02:23:40.160 I'm not going to sit here.

02:23:40.240 I'm not going to get into morality with you because it's the same bullshit every time

02:23:42.880 with you.

02:23:43.300 This is your favorite argument is morality.

02:23:45.140 Then what...

02:23:45.500 You should just look at the camera and monologue, dude.

02:23:47.480 I will.

02:23:47.860 I'm not debating.

02:23:48.640 You're just screaming.

02:23:49.620 I got a prompt change then.

02:23:51.120 Well, he doesn't want to define masculinity.

02:23:52.480 He only wants to, you know, pick apart mine.

02:23:54.760 You haven't even defined it.

02:23:55.960 Sure.

02:23:56.240 You just gave a proprietary definition.

02:23:58.440 It's your positive claim.

02:23:59.300 Yeah, but I have to define it for him.

02:24:01.400 Well, I defined it.

02:24:02.380 I have to define it for him.

02:24:03.320 I defined it.

02:24:04.060 You didn't, dude.

02:24:04.760 Did he define it?

02:24:05.440 No.

02:24:06.360 No.

02:24:07.440 It's circular.

02:24:08.040 He's not satisfied with it.

02:24:08.740 Listen, it's circular.

02:24:10.600 Masculinity is men doing the right thing.

02:24:12.900 That fucking doesn't tell us anything.

02:24:15.220 Because I don't have a very prescriptive version of masculinity.

02:24:18.340 That is my general across the board version of masculinity.

02:24:20.480 So then it would be fine for me to ask follow-up questions about what the right thing is.

02:24:24.660 But I don't want to get into morality with you.

02:24:25.460 But you don't want to tell me any fucking answers to any questions.

02:24:27.440 Here, well, if you don't want to get into the morality, can you say, you said it's healthy masculinity is expansive.

02:24:34.000 Andrew's got to take a little smoke break here.

02:24:36.460 A little smoke break.

02:24:36.940 Because Andrew thinks masculinity is very rigid.

02:24:38.880 If you don't fall within these guidelines, if you don't fall within these certain guidelines, you're not masculine.

02:24:46.380 That's Andrew's take.

02:24:47.300 Okay.

02:24:47.480 Well, while Andrew's getting a little smoke break, we are going to let some chats come through.

02:24:54.780 By the way, guys, actually, you know what?

02:24:56.160 Pull up Twitch because we need to do a little Twitch shout-out.

02:24:59.220 Guys, go to Twitch.

02:25:00.660 Pull up the actual Twitch tab in the window tab.

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02:25:16.160 If you guys can, just open up another tab.

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02:25:54.760 Andrew's coming right back.

02:25:55.860 He just went out for a quick smoke.

02:25:57.780 Also, if you're enjoying the stream, like the video.

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02:26:39.020 For what?

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02:26:48.860 Let's see what else.

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02:26:56.040 Raphael is actually a longtime member on the Discord.

02:26:58.560 He enjoys all the misogynistic memes that we post there.

02:27:02.360 I'm just kidding.

02:27:02.880 We don't post any misogynistic memes.

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02:27:14.080 Andrew is about to return.

02:27:16.260 All right.

02:27:16.640 Give me a fucking shot.

02:27:17.940 He needs to get, just bring the ball of whiskey, Andrew.

02:27:20.480 Bring the, do you want the bottle?

02:27:22.520 Just drink from the bottle.

02:27:24.240 Get him the bottle.

02:27:25.280 Get him the ball of whiskey.

02:27:27.060 Let's see if we have, oh, we got some chats.

02:27:29.060 Hang on, hang on.

02:27:29.860 Let me just, let me just try this again.

02:27:32.660 Yes.

02:27:33.840 Go ahead.

02:27:34.600 If, if you are talking about something and making a prescriptive ought, in this case,

02:27:42.340 masculinity, right?

02:27:43.980 What, what it is and what men should be doing with it.

02:27:46.400 I didn't say it should be.

02:27:47.320 I said, that's my worldview.

02:27:48.900 Okay.

02:27:49.400 Your worldview.

02:27:50.500 Great.

02:27:50.940 If we dive into your worldview, right?

02:27:54.360 And you have a proprietary definition.

02:27:56.740 This, this definition meets no definition of masculinity I've ever seen in my life.

02:28:00.680 I know.

02:28:01.260 Okay.

02:28:01.620 Yes.

02:28:02.180 So it's proprietary.

02:28:02.800 You agree?

02:28:03.600 Yes.

02:28:04.240 So it's perfectly rational and logical for me to go through your proprietary definition so that I can make sure it makes fucking sense.

02:28:12.600 Right?

02:28:13.000 I don't care if you think it makes sense.

02:28:15.320 Give me a fucking shot, dude.

02:28:17.020 I can't, I can't, I can't.

02:28:18.000 Dude, give him the bottle.

02:28:18.900 You want the bottle?

02:28:19.500 How much is left?

02:28:20.000 You're fucking, you probably, that chatter, the one chatter is actually right.

02:28:24.160 You might be.

02:28:24.920 That's a lot.

02:28:25.300 The dumbest fucking person I've ever debated on this podcast.

02:28:28.860 And you're the most emotional wreck of a person I've ever talked to.

02:28:31.700 You'd be emotional too if you're, it's like arguing with a fucking kindergartner, dude.

02:28:35.840 You don't even know what you're talking about.

02:28:36.940 Can you pass through the, yeah.

02:28:38.280 You like literally don't know what you're talking about.

02:28:40.120 I don't care.

02:28:40.980 The whole point of the prompt.

02:28:41.760 I don't care.

02:28:42.360 The whole point of the prompt was masculinity isn't a rigid thing, and that's why I keep it very open.

02:28:47.600 Yeah.

02:28:47.780 Okay.

02:28:48.060 It's not a rigid thing, but that doesn't tell us what it is.

02:28:51.260 Okay.

02:28:52.160 All right.

02:28:53.300 Let's see here.

02:28:53.980 We have, we'll do a couple chats here really quick, then we'll get right back into a prompt.

02:28:57.320 We have Red Fox.

02:28:58.760 Thank you, Red Fox.

02:28:59.700 Appreciate it.

02:29:00.540 Red Fox donated $100.

02:29:03.420 Andrew holds a deep veneration for women and their contributions.

02:29:07.060 We'll talk about it all the time.

02:29:08.020 Particularly in the occasional traditions.

02:29:09.000 Deep veneration.

02:29:10.060 Feminist, what is the role and duty of women?

02:29:12.720 In fact, my religion, we venerate the Theotokos.

02:29:15.600 You know, that would be the mother of God.

02:29:17.540 But, you know, the thing is, is even though I talk about this all the time, discuss how much we need matrons in society, how important it is, I just hate all fucking women.

02:29:26.200 No, you see them as just breeders.

02:29:27.840 That's what you see them as.

02:29:28.940 Yeah.

02:29:29.220 Well, it's just breeders.

02:29:31.280 That's what he sees.

02:29:31.820 Do you think women have any duty to?

02:29:33.360 No.

02:29:34.040 No.

02:29:34.580 No.

02:29:34.960 Do men have duties?

02:29:35.900 Sorry.

02:29:36.060 Yeah.

02:29:36.520 No.

02:29:37.620 Men don't have duties?

02:29:38.580 No.

02:29:38.780 I think, by my definition, they should do the right thing, but that's my worldview.

02:29:42.180 That would be a duty, you fucking dolt.

02:29:43.660 Okay.

02:29:44.040 Fine.

02:29:44.620 I didn't have a duty.

02:29:45.760 So they have the duty to do the right thing?

02:29:47.360 Let's not do insults.

02:29:48.660 No, let's do insults.

02:29:49.720 What duties do men have to do the right thing?

02:29:54.440 That's my worldview.

02:29:55.720 So they have duties?

02:29:56.480 What duties do women have?

02:29:58.200 None.

02:29:58.780 None.

02:29:59.080 Okay.

02:30:00.480 Okay.

02:30:00.840 We have a couple chats coming through here.

02:30:02.360 We got, where is it?

02:30:03.680 Jordan.

02:30:03.820 It drives you insane.

02:30:05.080 Yes, it does.

02:30:05.860 It drives him insane.

02:30:06.980 Jordan Flores.

02:30:07.640 Jordan Flores.

02:30:07.660 Jordan Flores.

02:30:08.140 Jordan Flores.

02:30:08.300 Jordan Flores.

02:30:09.980 Andrew, I'm sorry.

02:30:11.740 As a member of the Mexican community, we don't claim the Femda General Vivo El Crucible.

02:30:17.720 Are you part of that?

02:30:20.680 Maybe.

02:30:21.120 I'm half Mexican, yes.

02:30:22.040 You could be Puerto Rican.

02:30:23.140 You could be.

02:30:23.360 I'm half Mexican.

02:30:24.580 Okay.

02:30:25.160 But I would imagine.

02:30:26.060 He's, apparently, Jordan Flores is the representative of all Mexicans who have ever lived.

02:30:32.740 He's disowning.

02:30:33.100 He works on the consulate.

02:30:34.260 Yeah.

02:30:34.500 No, he absolutely is probably another one of these single people that are angry.

02:30:38.420 So it's fine.

02:30:39.600 Okay.

02:30:40.140 I mean, you're married and seem pretty angry.

02:30:42.600 Honestly.

02:30:42.960 Between the two of us?

02:30:43.640 I'm the one that seems angry, Andrew?

02:30:44.540 Yeah, you seem pretty angry.

02:30:45.340 Between the two of us?

02:30:46.140 Yes.

02:30:46.660 Nice job, dude.

02:30:47.340 He interviewed 100 times the women you have, so his sample size is far greater.

02:30:52.080 Shouldn't you defer to the then-since-you-love-moost-studies so much?

02:30:56.460 Shout out, Mr. Dottie.

02:30:57.860 You've interviewed a lot.

02:30:58.860 I think 2,000.

02:31:00.700 Jeez.

02:31:01.480 2,000 women.

02:31:01.840 I know.

02:31:02.280 That's a lot.

02:31:02.920 That was kind of misogynistic.

02:31:03.880 And I've been here for-

02:31:04.720 What have you learned?

02:31:05.580 I've been here for like half of that, by the way.

02:31:07.600 Why did you say jeez when I interviewed 2,000 women?

02:31:10.500 I'm just saying that's all our shows.

02:31:11.860 That seems a bit misogynistic.

02:31:13.340 How so?

02:31:13.740 It just seems a bit like, wow, you had to talk to 2,000 women?

02:31:18.060 I'm just surprised at the sheer number of women you've talked to.

02:31:21.000 No, the way it came across-

02:31:23.040 Sure, but I'm explaining.

02:31:23.860 It was like, I'm sorry that you had to do that, Brian.

02:31:28.520 It wasn't that.

02:31:29.040 I'm just asking you what you've learned in those 2,000 interviews.

02:31:31.360 What have you learned?

02:31:32.120 From them?

02:31:32.920 Yeah.

02:31:33.380 Not a lot.

02:31:33.940 About women.

02:31:34.540 Not much.

02:31:35.380 No?

02:31:35.640 Just kidding.

02:31:36.100 I've learned a lot.

02:31:37.560 Yeah?

02:31:37.760 I've learned a ton.

02:31:39.280 What have you learned?

02:31:40.020 Share something.

02:31:41.180 Ask me at the end of the show and I'll tell you.

02:31:42.840 I don't want to-

02:31:43.480 I shouldn't be too involved in the convo.

02:31:45.560 Hey, you donated $100.

02:31:48.180 The red pill isn't the problem.

02:31:50.080 It's a symptom of a larger issue where men have had negative experiences with modern women

02:31:54.640 and are still villainized.

02:31:56.100 Next, we find solidarity in our collective awakening.

02:31:59.620 Thank you, Hey You.

02:32:01.080 This is exactly what I think is an honest assessment of what happens.

02:32:04.580 I said in my opening statement that red pill communities prey on men's rejection.

02:32:09.120 They prey on men's anger.

02:32:11.400 And I think that's true.

02:32:12.740 And I think they do find community in red pill.

02:32:15.180 I really do.

02:32:15.840 And I think that's why they flock there.

02:32:17.260 But I don't think it's effective for them.

02:32:19.140 I think it's keeping them lonely, isolated, and angry.

02:32:21.740 And they're not dating.

02:32:22.520 So if it's not working, let's look for an alternative.

02:32:24.940 That's all I'm saying.

02:32:25.800 Here, let's get into that.

02:32:27.120 What's the alternative?

02:32:27.900 That's what we've been trying to get into this whole time.

02:32:29.520 But you're trying to do some other bullshit semantic definition game.

02:32:31.920 Okay, listen.

02:32:34.340 Me asking you what masculinity is, and you saying fulfilling the general societal good,

02:32:40.580 fucking is meaningless.

02:32:42.360 It is meaningless.

02:32:44.080 Okay, because I didn't come here to necessarily talk about that.

02:32:46.780 I came here to talk about the red pill community is destroying men's...

02:32:49.800 This is your worldview.

02:32:50.100 Debates are about worldviews, dude.

02:32:51.400 No, debates...

02:32:52.060 You played debate club, and I'm not here for that.

02:32:53.920 Dude, it's not debate club.

02:32:55.480 It's just a debate.

02:32:56.800 You try to win debate points.

02:32:58.400 There's some judges out there.

02:32:59.600 That's what you do.

02:33:00.460 Bro.

02:33:00.740 You're not trying to have a real conversation about shit.

02:33:02.560 Yeah, I agree that I want my worldview to win, and I want my worldview to win a debate.

02:33:06.920 But the thing is, I don't even know what your worldview is because you can't explain it.

02:33:10.980 So your worldview is the red pill is working for men?

02:33:13.040 Is that your worldview?

02:33:14.380 Well, that's what we're here arguing.

02:33:15.620 Okay, if you want to do an internal critique of Christian ethics in my worldview, I'm happy

02:33:21.140 to do that.

02:33:22.340 We came here to talk about the red pill and manosphere community.

02:33:25.200 Yes.

02:33:25.480 And so when you're asking me about the red pill, what have I told you it is?

02:33:30.040 You said it's a data packet.

02:33:32.260 Yes.

02:33:32.620 And so I can utilize, and Christians can utilize this data packet as well, right?

02:33:37.800 And we can introduce it through Christian ethics in a prism that helps men, right?

02:33:42.680 Only through Christian ethics?

02:33:44.320 That's what I would prescribe.

02:33:45.640 Yeah, but most people in red pill communities aren't Christian orthodox.

02:33:49.040 They don't have to be Christian orthodox.

02:33:50.400 Okay, well, the point is, is the red pill community helping men, or is it hurting?

02:33:53.840 Hold on.

02:33:54.240 Is the red pill community helping men, or is it hurting them, in your opinion?

02:33:58.080 Ultimately, I think it's more helpful than it's bad.

02:34:00.920 Okay.

02:34:01.440 Yeah.

02:34:02.020 But I would like to know what the alternative is.

02:34:05.320 Turn off the red pill, at least for now.

02:34:06.880 That's the only thing I got.

02:34:07.340 Yeah, but what's the alternative to it, though?

02:34:09.540 I don't know.

02:34:10.260 Consider trying to ask a girl out.

02:34:12.620 Maybe...

02:34:12.900 Yeah, they never thought of that.

02:34:14.040 They're not doing it, Andrew.

02:34:15.400 Yeah, dude.

02:34:16.420 Bro, you literally just said with that chatter that you agreed with his definition of what

02:34:21.900 the problem was.

02:34:23.140 I didn't say anything about definition.

02:34:23.800 Hang on, hang on.

02:34:24.300 The way he said the problem was, which is that they had bad experiences with women.

02:34:29.120 Correct.

02:34:29.540 That means they're asking them out.

02:34:31.020 Not necessarily.

02:34:32.000 Then how are they having bad experiences with them?

02:34:33.400 Maybe they're not getting success on dating apps.

02:34:35.040 I don't know.

02:34:35.580 That doesn't necessarily mean they're going up to women in the street and asking them out.

02:34:38.060 So they're having issues approaching women?

02:34:42.180 Yes.

02:34:42.440 They're having issues dating with women?

02:34:44.280 Yes.

02:34:44.560 Men feel rejected.

02:34:45.380 So what's the alternative?

02:34:46.520 The alternative is hopefully more positive content coming out.

02:34:50.320 I hope my channel helps.

02:34:51.460 I hope other channels help.

02:34:52.160 That doesn't...

02:34:52.620 It's not telling me anything.

02:34:54.200 What's the alternative?

02:34:55.880 I don't have the definite alternative, but I think the point is the red pill community

02:35:00.060 is hurting men.

02:35:00.700 What the fuck, dude?

02:35:01.000 What the fuck?

02:35:01.400 The red pill community is hurting people.

02:35:03.400 That's all I'm talking about.

02:35:04.220 Okay, but you said you were here to discuss the alternatives.

02:35:06.240 I didn't say...

02:35:06.680 When did I say I was here to discuss the alternative?

02:35:07.560 I literally just wrote down alternative because you said, right, I have an alternative.

02:35:12.200 I said seek out alternatives.

02:35:13.760 What's the alternative?

02:35:14.600 I don't know, but there's not the red pill.

02:35:16.100 If it's not working, get away from it.

02:35:17.980 If it's poison, stop taking it.

02:35:19.780 That's the first fucking step.

02:35:20.820 Would you agree?

02:35:21.540 Not a single alternative?

02:35:22.360 If you're taking...

02:35:23.520 Like I said, there's probably more...

02:35:24.140 You haven't demonstrated it as poison.

02:35:25.000 There's positive masculinity podcasts out there that I would recommend listening to.

02:35:28.720 Whoa, really?

02:35:29.280 Wait, wait.

02:35:29.960 Positive masculinity?

02:35:30.880 Correct.

02:35:31.400 Okay, what is that?

02:35:33.060 Not the rigid sense that the red pill prescribes.

02:35:36.100 That doesn't tell me shit.

02:35:36.520 Anything counter to the red pill.

02:35:38.200 Okay, I'll just call it blue pill for the sake of your stupid definitions.

02:35:41.980 I'll call it blue pill.

02:35:42.780 Listen to blue pill content.

02:35:43.480 And what is that?

02:35:43.980 The opposite of red pill.

02:35:44.880 How about that?

02:35:45.840 Okay, what are they saying?

02:35:47.020 They're saying don't take the red pill.

02:35:49.020 That's what they're saying.

02:35:49.640 Okay, got it.

02:35:50.700 So let me ask you a question.

02:35:52.180 This is a cool red pill talking point.

02:35:54.940 I wonder if you can refute it.

02:35:56.940 Do you think that men care about body count?

02:36:00.340 I think some of them do.

02:36:01.720 Yeah.

02:36:02.020 Would you?

02:36:03.060 No.

02:36:03.720 No, you wouldn't care?

02:36:04.580 I wouldn't.

02:36:05.340 If she had fucked 20,000 guys?

02:36:07.320 If I loved her, I wouldn't care.

02:36:08.540 You wouldn't care?

02:36:09.020 30?

02:36:10.040 There's no number.

02:36:10.960 If I love somebody, I don't care.

02:36:12.860 Yeah.

02:36:13.500 What if she had sucked 20 guys' dicks at once?

02:36:17.720 Do you think that's going to change my answer?

02:36:19.360 I'm just curious.

02:36:20.600 I've already answered it.

02:36:21.760 If I cared about somebody, I don't care.

02:36:23.460 No matter what?

02:36:24.340 Correct.

02:36:24.880 Okay.

02:36:25.100 Most of them, I don't have an STD.

02:36:26.220 I don't care.

02:36:26.640 Do you think it's a legitimate preference that men have that they don't want women with high

02:36:30.420 body counts?

02:36:30.920 I think any preference is legitimate.

02:36:32.380 If somebody has a preference, they have a preference.

02:36:33.960 Okay.

02:36:34.200 So do you think that that's a legitimate preference?

02:36:36.500 Sure.

02:36:36.880 I said any preference is legitimate.

02:36:38.700 Remember when I said that?

02:36:39.640 And then what do you think most men would consider a high body count to be?

02:36:42.480 I have no clue.

02:36:44.620 I have no clue.

02:36:45.740 Okay.

02:36:46.040 How would I know that?

02:36:46.760 Okay.

02:36:47.200 Fair enough.

02:36:48.400 Do you think that most men would maybe consider 10 would probably be pretty high?

02:36:54.260 Not necessarily, no.

02:36:55.540 Not in 2025, no.

02:36:57.100 You don't think so?

02:36:58.080 I don't.

02:36:58.960 You don't think that men would have a preference against being with a woman who's fucked 10 different

02:37:03.780 dudes before them?

02:37:04.480 Some men would, but not all men.

02:37:07.000 Yeah.

02:37:07.240 So the men who would find that revolting, what do you think they should do in 2025 when

02:37:12.480 you just said there's not very many women who haven't had that?

02:37:15.200 Fine.

02:37:15.480 I didn't say there's not that many women that haven't had that.

02:37:17.520 I'm saying that that isn't necessarily such a high body count for some people.

02:37:20.900 I didn't say every woman has that body count.

02:37:22.540 I didn't say every?

02:37:23.060 Well, then they should find somebody that doesn't have that body count.

02:37:25.440 That's what they want.

02:37:26.040 What if they, okay.

02:37:27.120 But what if it's the case that an overwhelming majority of women have that body count?

02:37:33.660 Then men are shit out of luck, I guess.

02:37:35.240 Is that what you're saying?

02:37:35.820 So how are you helping them?

02:37:37.700 I'm saying that I don't think that's the case.

02:37:39.740 If that is the case and men don't want to change their preference, then they won't find anyone

02:37:43.640 to date.

02:37:43.900 So you're saying that if they have a preference against this, that they should just change

02:37:48.760 their preference.

02:37:49.340 I didn't say that.

02:37:49.880 So what should they do?

02:37:52.380 If they, if every woman is disqualified, then they're not going to date.

02:37:55.720 So, so if, if it is the case then that promiscuity increases in society, which that's what the trends

02:38:05.100 are showing, you at least agree with that promiscuity.

02:38:07.740 The trends show that that has been drastically increasing over the last 20 years.

02:38:12.020 I said, I don't think it's that drastically different than it was when we were in college.

02:38:15.380 So no.

02:38:16.440 Okay.

02:38:17.540 You don't think that, you don't think like OF has increased since you were in college?

02:38:22.240 That doesn't necessarily mean they're banging a bunch of other dudes.

02:38:24.520 Porn has been around for a long time.

02:38:25.900 Yeah, but the, the thing is, is the individualized form of it has not.

02:38:29.480 Yeah, but they're often with their own partners and stuff.

02:38:31.760 So it doesn't matter.

02:38:32.540 They're, they do BG, B, B, B with other people.

02:38:35.400 Porn has been around for a long time.

02:38:36.000 You remember Ben and Jameson?

02:38:37.240 You remember all of them?

02:38:38.180 Like it's been around, dude.

02:38:39.000 Not even close to the same rates, dude.

02:38:40.620 It's been around, dude.

02:38:40.820 Okay.

02:38:41.100 It's been around.

02:38:41.580 Do you ever think we've been in a situation like with Zoomers where it could be as, as many

02:38:45.780 as one in 10 women do porn ever?

02:38:49.900 Okay.

02:38:50.600 Ever?

02:38:51.360 Like fucking ever.

02:38:52.560 Okay.

02:38:53.060 Those are OF people.

02:38:54.120 That doesn't mean general women.

02:38:56.020 There are average people getting married every day, Andrew.

02:38:58.480 It's not.

02:38:59.260 Marriage is decreasing.

02:39:00.600 But it's still average people get married every day.

02:39:03.120 Even if they're decreasing.

02:39:04.040 Listen, it happens.

02:39:04.980 So people are finding these people that are on our left.

02:39:06.880 I agree that you should be going for good marriages.

02:39:09.500 Why not?

02:39:10.420 You should be going for good marriages.

02:39:12.200 But here's my problem.

02:39:13.440 My problem is, is when we get into the preferences of men, when you say we should be looking for

02:39:18.360 alternatives, let's have alternatives to red pill for men who have preferences.

02:39:21.960 I disagree with you.

02:39:23.780 And I think body count matters to men in a big way.

02:39:26.860 To some men.

02:39:27.340 Yes.

02:39:27.640 Yeah.

02:39:28.140 And I want to know what you would tell those men to do.

02:39:31.780 What would you tell them to do?

02:39:33.340 If they're religious, they probably can find somebody in their church that doesn't have

02:39:36.600 a high body count.

02:39:37.600 I'm sure they can meet people when they're young and in college because college people

02:39:40.600 are dating and getting married.

02:39:41.940 There's probably younger women out there that if you date them, there's a lot of people

02:39:44.600 that get married.

02:39:45.520 What about the 30 year olds?

02:39:46.280 Not all, I mean, they don't necessarily, not all women have high body counts.

02:39:51.120 So I don't, but you make it sound like they do because that's still like your, your shtick.

02:39:54.880 That's what, that's what you do is make men think that all women are, you know, skinks.

02:39:58.940 No, no, no.

02:39:59.200 I'm just saying that, don't you, don't you think that by the time most women are 25, they've

02:40:05.320 had at least three sexual partners, at least by the, maybe three, maybe three.

02:40:08.500 At least three.

02:40:09.080 I'll grant three.

02:40:09.900 At least three.

02:40:10.680 I'll grant three.

02:40:11.580 Yeah.

02:40:12.020 So, so at least three.

02:40:13.600 I don't say at least.

02:40:14.480 I'll grant three.

02:40:15.180 You'll grant three, but you won't grant five.

02:40:17.700 I can go to five.

02:40:18.780 Okay.

02:40:19.180 Five.

02:40:19.980 And don't you think that once you start getting into those numbers, we're in like high body

02:40:24.900 count territory for a lot of men.

02:40:26.380 It depends on what their preference is.

02:40:27.980 I have no idea.

02:40:28.640 If their preference is that they don't want a woman who's slept with five men before them

02:40:33.420 or had, and remember this too, a lot of these times you're sleeping with these, these

02:40:38.420 women are sleeping with these men, they're long-term relationships, right?

02:40:40.940 Right.

02:40:41.420 So you think that if men have legitimate preferences against all that baggage, right?

02:40:46.540 Mm-hmm.

02:40:46.820 You think they should be alone?

02:40:48.240 No, I think they should find somebody that doesn't have that baggage.

02:40:50.340 If that's what matters to them.

02:40:51.120 Yeah, but do you think, you think that there's enough of those out there for the amount of

02:40:54.040 men?

02:40:54.600 I do.

02:40:55.320 Oh, you do?

02:40:55.900 Yes.

02:40:56.020 And you think that those women want those men?

02:40:58.580 I think average people get married every day.

02:41:00.340 Okay.

02:41:00.820 Well, yeah, that's not my question.

02:41:02.880 Well, it answers your question.

02:41:04.140 So then how come you think that these incels can't find the women, which are based around

02:41:09.840 their preferences then?

02:41:10.760 I think a lot of people either stay in their house and don't get out.

02:41:14.800 They don't meet people.

02:41:15.680 They don't ask people out in high school.

02:41:16.820 They don't ask people out in college.

02:41:17.960 I think that's a big problem with men today is that they're not asking women out.

02:41:21.940 I think that's a big, big issue.

02:41:23.460 Okay.

02:41:24.680 So we'll just finish with this real quick, and then I'll tie it all together for you.

02:41:29.240 What do you consider a marriageable woman for the average man?

02:41:32.920 What is marriageable to you?

02:41:33.640 I can't prescribe that.

02:41:34.580 I have no idea.

02:41:36.700 Well, what do you think the average man would consider marriageable?

02:41:40.160 Oh, someone they really enjoy being around.

02:41:42.000 I don't know.

02:41:42.580 That's what I think they're looking for.

02:41:44.120 Well, there's going to be some things that you would agree with me.

02:41:47.660 They have to be like, they probably have to be attracted to them.

02:41:51.340 Sure.

02:41:52.360 Right?

02:41:53.100 A trait like that, they probably have to be attracted.

02:41:55.620 Sure.

02:41:56.220 But attraction comes in many ways.

02:41:58.660 Well, they'd have to probably be physically attracted to each other, right?

02:42:02.000 To some degree, but personality and humor can win a lot of people over.

02:42:04.980 Yeah, but you still have to be attracted to a person who want to fuck them.

02:42:09.640 There's a lot of average people that get married every day, Andrew.

02:42:12.200 Yeah, but that doesn't mean they're not attracted to the other people.

02:42:14.880 Okay.

02:42:15.380 So attraction would still be key.

02:42:16.540 They could be attracted beyond physical looks.

02:42:18.380 It happens all the time.

02:42:19.800 Yeah, but the thing is, it's really hard for a man's.

02:42:22.460 We need to get hard if you're not physically attracted.

02:42:26.140 It's really not.

02:42:26.880 It's not?

02:42:27.380 It's really not.

02:42:28.400 So you fuck women you're not physically attracted to?

02:42:31.480 I'm saying most men find most women attractive.

02:42:33.660 You think that men fuck women they're not attracted to?

02:42:36.240 I think they find most women attractive.

02:42:37.620 Yeah, so you think then that men can just will themselves to fuck unattractive women?

02:42:44.680 It's called a slump buster.

02:42:47.380 Yeah.

02:42:48.620 I think a lot of men find a lot of women attractive.

02:42:51.260 And you think they want long-term relationships with those women?

02:42:53.340 Yes, because they get married every day.

02:42:54.820 Average people get married every day.

02:42:55.980 Average doesn't mean you're not attracted to them, though.

02:42:58.140 You're making a complation.

02:42:59.960 Yeah, because I'm saying.

02:43:00.800 They have to be attracted at least, right?

02:43:02.380 Sure, there has to be some attraction, but again.

02:43:04.500 Some physical attraction.

02:43:06.020 Sure.

02:43:06.700 Okay, and do you think that there's, like, I don't know, an obesity epidemic?

02:43:10.620 Sure.

02:43:11.240 Yeah?

02:43:11.740 Yeah.

02:43:11.960 And so doesn't that lower the rates of attractiveness?

02:43:13.700 Maybe, but aren't the 600-pound ladies married?

02:43:15.940 Like, you know, aren't they married?

02:43:17.720 Like, it can happen.

02:43:18.800 Yeah, but they're usually married to, like, very, very unattractive men as well, right?

02:43:23.400 Well, they're attracted to them, so what does it matter?

02:43:25.120 No, they're not always attracted to each other.

02:43:26.920 So they got married just for what?

02:43:28.000 No, no, no.

02:43:28.520 Sometimes it happens in the marriage.

02:43:30.340 Okay.

02:43:30.940 Right?

02:43:31.220 Sometimes it happens in the marriage.

02:43:32.460 They literally grow apart.

02:43:33.780 The point is, people can find other people attractive.

02:43:36.640 People want to spend their lives with people, but you don't want to push that message.

02:43:40.260 No.

02:43:40.560 What do you mean?

02:43:41.600 I'm just talking about basic laws of attraction.

02:43:44.500 Do you at least agree there has to be a trait of attraction?

02:43:46.720 Sure, but if 600-pound people can find a partner, then I think a lot of people can find a partner.

02:43:51.220 One second.

02:43:52.160 I'm sorry.

02:43:54.500 I don't know what's going on here.

02:43:55.720 Oh, good.

02:43:56.160 Quick little – guys, we're, like, 300 viewers away from 10,000 concurrent on YouTube.

02:44:01.940 Guys, if you're watching, help us hit – help us peak at 10,000.

02:44:05.580 So anyway, yeah, so back to this.

02:44:07.340 So we agree that there's at least one trait.

02:44:09.200 Are there any other traits for marriageable women?

02:44:12.000 Sorry, repeat the question.

02:44:12.960 I'm not really sure what you're asking.

02:44:13.600 We agree there's at least one trait.

02:44:14.540 There has to be attraction.

02:44:15.600 Is there any other traits?

02:44:16.280 You're saying men need to find a woman attractive.

02:44:18.140 That's one of the criteria?

02:44:19.280 Well, at least one we could agree on.

02:44:21.400 There has to be attraction?

02:44:22.340 Some attraction, yes.

02:44:23.080 Okay, what else for a marriageable woman?

02:44:24.860 I think if they enjoy being around the person.

02:44:27.120 I think that's a big personality, humor, same interest.

02:44:30.140 I think those are a big factor.

02:44:32.540 Yeah, okay, they enjoy each other's company.

02:44:34.340 Correct.

02:44:34.680 That's a big part of living together.

02:44:35.920 Okay, but – so they enjoy each other's company.

02:44:39.120 What else?

02:44:42.580 I don't know.

02:44:43.260 They have similar values.

02:44:46.180 Similar values.

02:44:46.960 They agree on similar household duties, things like that.

02:44:50.340 Okay, so I agree.

02:44:51.620 I would say that that one you nailed right there, similar values, is the thing that I hear the most from both men and women.

02:44:58.740 Yeah.

02:44:59.200 Right?

02:44:59.560 Similar values.

02:45:00.260 Yeah.

02:45:00.660 So if you were to, like, I don't know, ask a woman, for instance, about her political takes, and they were completely the opposite of yours.

02:45:08.360 Yeah.

02:45:08.820 Right?

02:45:09.240 You probably wouldn't want to be with that woman.

02:45:10.940 Probably not, and you probably shouldn't.

02:45:11.980 So, like, if you thought, for instance, that women shouldn't vote, right, and they thought that they should?

02:45:18.720 Yeah, you probably shouldn't date that person.

02:45:19.940 Yeah, so it seems like it's a pertinent dating question now?

02:45:22.540 No.

02:45:23.040 I'm saying that in red pill –

02:45:24.100 No.

02:45:24.260 No, the only people who think women shouldn't vote are red pill people.

02:45:28.400 So I'm saying if they can get out of the red pill community, they wouldn't think like that.

02:45:31.220 Yeah, but you just said that preferences are a thing which are completely fine, and you have no problem with anybody's preferences about anything.

02:45:37.380 Okay, yeah.

02:45:37.860 If these people – similar values.

02:45:39.680 If they're like, hey, I don't think women should have the right to vote, or I don't think women should work, then, yeah, go ahead and whittle those people out of your life.

02:45:47.120 Go for it.

02:45:47.600 So just to make sure, right, you think that if it's your preference that you shouldn't be with women like that.

02:45:53.280 What percentage of the population do you think?

02:45:55.520 Well, according to you, it's the red pillars, and those are the men you're trying to save.

02:45:58.260 I said they're the only ones that might think that.

02:45:59.540 Yeah, and are those the men you're trying to save?

02:46:01.120 Yeah, absolutely.

02:46:01.860 Well, but if their preference is to have these types of women, how are you going to save them?

02:46:05.880 Why do you think they don't want women to vote?

02:46:08.140 Well, I think that they have good justifiable reasons why they don't want anybody to vote.

02:46:13.920 Okay.

02:46:15.880 That's what I think.

02:46:16.580 Well, like I said, those are all the things that would make somebody, I think, viable.

02:46:19.840 And if they don't match those—

02:46:20.520 So how are you going to save these guys if they have these preferences?

02:46:23.660 I don't get it.

02:46:24.200 Then they find somebody—your wife doesn't care about voting, right?

02:46:26.580 You found somebody.

02:46:27.940 Yeah, I did.

02:46:28.960 Do you think that there's a lot of my wives out there?

02:46:30.960 I don't think there's a lot of yous out there.

02:46:33.360 Well, but there's a lot of red pillars, right?

02:46:34.760 Yeah, but I don't think every single red pillar thinks they shouldn't vote, that women shouldn't vote.

02:46:38.940 You landed on that somehow, and you found somebody who agrees with you.

02:46:44.240 Well, no, she convinced me.

02:46:46.920 Yeah, okay.

02:46:47.260 Well, I hope that other guys can, too, then.

02:46:49.140 Okay, so then inside of the red pill community, though, you do agree that there's a massive repeal of the 19th movement?

02:46:55.720 Sure.

02:46:56.360 And if they find women that agree, good for them.

02:46:58.580 I hope they do.

02:46:59.080 But they probably won't, right?

02:47:01.080 Okay, well, then they're going to be alone, then.

02:47:03.120 So then you don't really care about the loneliness of red pillars.

02:47:06.000 You just want them to change their preferences to meet your preferences.

02:47:09.120 There's a lot of people, there's a lot of red pillars that might change their whole belief system after getting out of it.

02:47:13.620 Okay, go ahead.

02:47:14.520 Change my belief system.

02:47:15.440 I didn't say I'm going to change your belief system.

02:47:16.020 Why is it that red pillars should get with women who want the right to vote?

02:47:19.580 I didn't say that.

02:47:20.640 That's not what I'm saying.

02:47:21.280 You have no prescriptions.

02:47:22.460 You have no fucking prescriptions.

02:47:24.660 Listen.

02:47:24.920 It's like talking.

02:47:25.780 Listen.

02:47:26.280 No, you listen.

02:47:26.980 No, you listen.

02:47:27.540 Give me a fucking prescription.

02:47:29.460 I just talked to you like, no, what are you going to fucking do about it?

02:47:31.460 Nothing.

02:47:32.600 Yeah, you heard me.

02:47:33.700 You fucking heard me.

02:47:35.120 You're not going to do shit.

02:47:36.520 Not going to do shit.

02:47:37.840 What are you trying to do here?

02:47:38.720 Now, back to this.

02:47:39.160 What are you trying to do here?

02:47:39.960 Nothing.

02:47:40.260 Yeah, you wanted to come hard.

02:47:41.840 We're doing it, right?

02:47:42.600 We're coming hard by what?

02:47:43.900 You just said, don't.

02:47:45.160 You just said, what are you going to do, right?

02:47:47.040 What are you going to do?

02:47:48.500 Dude, that is some insecurity.

02:47:49.880 I wouldn't say anything about that shit.

02:47:51.540 Now, are you going to engage here or not?

02:47:53.800 Repeal the 19th?

02:47:55.100 I don't think we should.

02:47:56.280 Got it.

02:47:57.180 If you had a preference for it.

02:47:58.720 Uh-huh.

02:47:59.100 Okay, and a woman didn't.

02:48:00.180 Probably shouldn't date, right?

02:48:01.840 Right.

02:48:02.220 That would make it a legitimate dating question, wouldn't it?

02:48:03.960 But that's not what you just said.

02:48:05.420 You said, I don't care about red pillars because if they can't find a woman that...

02:48:10.640 Yeah, you want them to conform to your preferences.

02:48:12.120 I didn't say conform to my preferences.

02:48:13.640 I said if they get out of the red pill community, they might not believe these things anymore.

02:48:17.160 Okay.

02:48:17.340 That's all I'm saying.

02:48:17.920 Which would conform to...

02:48:19.260 To what?

02:48:20.420 Your preferences.

02:48:21.120 I didn't say anything about my preferences.

02:48:23.340 I'm sorry.

02:48:24.440 Do you think that if all these red pillars adopted your preferences, like they don't care about body counts?

02:48:29.700 I don't give shit about my preferences.

02:48:30.700 Who cares about my preferences?

02:48:32.160 If they can't find a woman...

02:48:33.340 Hold on.

02:48:34.020 Give me any.

02:48:34.560 Listen.

02:48:34.980 If they can't find a woman...

02:48:35.640 Give me any.

02:48:36.180 If they can't find a woman that doesn't match their preferences, they get out of the red pill because it's not working for them.

02:48:40.860 They might change their beliefs.

02:48:41.960 I'm not prescribing a preference.

02:48:43.480 I'm prescribing getting out of the red pill.

02:48:45.080 That's what I'm prescribing.

02:48:45.640 So, can you prescribe any alternative?

02:48:47.820 Getting out of the red pill is the first step.

02:48:49.360 Yeah.

02:48:49.580 That's not an alternative.

02:48:50.520 It is.

02:48:51.080 No.

02:48:51.280 That's just...

02:48:51.740 Listen.

02:48:53.040 It's like saying this.

02:48:56.000 Your car is shit.

02:48:57.500 Great.

02:48:57.960 But I need to drive to work.

02:48:59.280 Can you tell me an alternative car?

02:49:00.760 No.

02:49:01.720 That's not the same thing.

02:49:02.680 Same.

02:49:02.860 I'm saying, no, it's not.

02:49:03.700 Same.

02:49:04.020 Okay.

02:49:04.280 Take the blue pill then.

02:49:05.140 How about that?

02:49:05.840 Okay.

02:49:06.160 What's the blue pill?

02:49:07.100 It's the complete opposite of the red pill.

02:49:08.460 Yeah.

02:49:08.660 That doesn't tell me anything.

02:49:09.680 What is it?

02:49:09.960 Well, they'll figure it out.

02:49:11.400 Okay.

02:49:11.820 They'll figure it out.

02:49:13.720 Never any prescriptions at all.

02:49:15.420 No, because I'm not coming here to prescribe anything but getting out of the red pill.

02:49:18.040 That's all I'm doing.

02:49:18.540 Yeah, but don't you understand that unless you give prescriptions for why that is?

02:49:22.540 Because it's not helping them.

02:49:23.680 That's why.

02:49:24.040 Yeah, but you won't even tell us what the standard of helping them is.

02:49:27.240 What is it?

02:49:27.840 If they're unhappy with the current situation they're in because of the communities they're

02:49:31.340 listening to, get out of it.

02:49:32.540 That's what I'm trying to say.

02:49:32.900 Then tell us what the alternative community, they'll be happy in it is.

02:49:34.940 First, throw up the red pill.

02:49:35.760 That's the first step.

02:49:36.380 Oh, my God.

02:49:36.680 Then we'll figure it out in there.

02:49:37.580 No problem with your shitty car than just get rid of the car.

02:49:39.600 What do I get in?

02:49:40.820 Nothing?

02:49:41.280 Yeah.

02:49:41.800 Nothing?

02:49:42.320 Yep.

02:49:43.400 Stupid.

02:49:44.080 Stupid.

02:49:44.580 It's so stupid.

02:49:45.280 It is.

02:49:45.740 It's so dumb.

02:49:46.520 You have no alternatives?

02:49:47.300 It's so dumb, yeah.

02:49:48.200 No prescriptions.

02:49:48.900 Keep prescribing the red pill then.

02:49:50.080 Keep prescribing it.

02:49:50.780 It's working for them.

02:49:51.340 I prescribe Christian ethics.

02:49:53.680 You also prescribe the red pill.

02:49:54.660 No, I just say that there's things about the red pill.

02:49:57.000 You asked me a specific narrow question.

02:49:59.300 Has it done more good or more bad?

02:50:01.920 I think it's done more bad.

02:50:03.080 That doesn't mean it's a prescriptor that I prescribe because I also understand it does

02:50:08.440 more good than bad.

02:50:09.520 Okay.

02:50:09.800 Well, you personally don't, but the communities themselves do and the content creators do.

02:50:14.000 What does that have to do with anything?

02:50:16.420 What does that have to do with literally fucking anything?

02:50:18.400 It has to do with what Mike came here to do.

02:50:20.000 Oh, okay.

02:50:20.380 What did you come here to do again?

02:50:21.320 To try to convince as many red pillars to get out as possible.

02:50:23.140 Do you think you're doing that?

02:50:24.140 I don't know.

02:50:24.860 Maybe some people are listening.

02:50:25.680 Do you think you're doing that?

02:50:26.740 I don't know.

02:50:27.220 Maybe some of them might say, you know what?

02:50:28.780 It isn't working for me.

02:50:29.620 I'm going to get out.

02:50:30.180 Maybe that's what they're thinking.

02:50:30.960 You would have been better coming in with a pro-Christian ethics message because that

02:50:35.400 actually gets them out of the red pill.

02:50:36.940 Okay.

02:50:37.200 Sure.

02:50:39.080 It does it a lot better.

02:50:40.620 Yeah.

02:50:41.840 That's why Muslims do a good job recruiting out of the red pill in Manosphere.

02:50:45.220 It's why Christians do a good job.

02:50:47.300 Secularist atheists who say, ah, no, I don't give a shit if a woman's fucking plowed a hundred

02:50:51.560 guys.

02:50:52.100 I'd still be with her anyway.

02:50:53.440 That just turned off every motherfucker who was watching this, I promise.

02:50:56.680 Well, that's fine, but if it is going to Christian ethics and that gives them a happier life

02:51:01.820 and they're not depressed and they're not incels, then hey, go for it.

02:51:04.340 Okay.

02:51:04.560 If that's a prescription.

02:51:05.220 Wait a second.

02:51:06.800 So maybe we can agree here.

02:51:08.820 Should red pillars go towards Christian ethics?

02:51:11.840 I'm not prescribing that, no.

02:51:13.120 But if it helps them, go.

02:51:14.660 Go for it.

02:51:15.460 Then that would be a prescription.

02:51:16.760 No, it's not.

02:51:17.560 It is.

02:51:17.780 There are several things they can turn to that aren't Christian ethics, but if that

02:51:21.800 is one of them, I'm not saying that there's, I don't know, but I'm saying there are other

02:51:25.200 alternatives.

02:51:26.000 If Christian ethics is one, if you said, if religion in general is one.

02:51:29.280 Alternatives, what I got here.

02:51:29.860 If religion is one.

02:51:30.820 There's other alternatives.

02:51:31.400 Yeah.

02:51:31.520 There's several people that live their lives in a secular way that aren't depressed and

02:51:34.860 incels.

02:51:36.360 There's several ways you can live a secular life that doesn't necessarily have this hard

02:51:40.840 and fast philosophy that you believe in.

02:51:43.360 There are people that can get out of it and choose a different path.

02:51:45.900 That's all I'm saying.

02:51:46.480 Yeah, you're just, all you're offering up is more feminist degeneracy.

02:51:49.400 Yeah, degenerate.

02:51:50.500 It is degenerate.

02:51:51.780 I'm not promoting any sort of degeneracy.

02:51:54.680 What your worldview leads to is cohabitation and single motherhood and degeneracy.

02:51:59.400 That's all it ever leads to.

02:52:00.460 And what red pill content leads to is depression.

02:52:02.680 And red pill content leads to depression and it leads to loneliness and it leads to anger.

02:52:06.300 Here's the thing.

02:52:06.780 If you have to do the alternative spectrum where we follow your view for cohabitation, we

02:52:11.640 already know what that does to men and it's way worse than if they never get married

02:52:14.800 or if they do get married.

02:52:16.040 We know it for sure.

02:52:17.460 Okay.

02:52:17.820 And your worldview, your secularist fucking worldview, feminist worldview is what led us to this

02:52:21.960 in the first place.

02:52:22.700 It was the erosion of religion, the erosion of Christian ethics, the erosion of having

02:52:28.360 a patriarchal society.

02:52:29.700 We used to have 95%.

02:52:31.180 95% they stayed intact.

02:52:33.180 Thanks, man.

02:52:34.380 Oh, now you care about them so much.

02:52:36.320 95% what?

02:52:36.920 Oh, marriages.

02:52:37.940 You used 95%.

02:52:39.120 Because women were legally and economically trapped in marriage.

02:52:41.840 Bro, you think this is a better system?

02:52:43.140 Yes.

02:52:43.380 Okay, well then why do you, you say you care about these men?

02:52:45.840 Yes.

02:52:46.140 You want them to be free of the red pill?

02:52:48.400 Correct.

02:52:48.700 Then why'd you put them in a fucking society where they needed it?

02:52:51.500 Okay, that's, yeah, they needed it because of feminism.

02:52:53.980 You're right.

02:52:54.300 Blame women every chance you get.

02:52:55.440 Blame women every chance you get, Andrew.

02:52:56.920 Did I blame women or did I blame an ideology?

02:52:59.160 Okay.

02:52:59.620 It's the same thing.

02:53:00.080 No, it's not the same thing.

02:53:01.360 It's the same thing and you know it.

02:53:02.180 You just don't understand how to debate.

02:53:03.420 You don't know nothing.

02:53:04.180 Yeah.

02:53:04.700 So again, this whole society, we had all of the things that you're prescribing.

02:53:08.680 Men's health, really good.

02:53:10.140 Women's health, really good.

02:53:11.940 Oh, yeah.

02:53:12.340 Yeah.

02:53:12.880 It really was.

02:53:13.880 Yeah.

02:53:14.340 And now, not so much.

02:53:15.920 Yeah.

02:53:16.120 Thanks to you fuckers.

02:53:17.240 Yeah, thanks to us.

02:53:17.880 So you want them to do the exact same shit.

02:53:20.620 Same shit.

02:53:21.360 Yeah.

02:53:21.820 Cohabitate.

02:53:22.480 Have kids.

02:53:23.340 Let the woman take over when it comes to abortions, right?

02:53:27.440 She can kill your kid, not kill your kid, totally up to her.

02:53:30.680 You fucking deal with it.

02:53:31.840 And if she has a high body count, just get over that preference.

02:53:34.120 Yeah.

02:53:34.280 If the red pill is working for you, keep it.

02:53:37.360 If it's not, get the fuck out.

02:53:39.180 Well, here's the thing.

02:53:40.640 Your lifestyle doesn't, the lifestyle secularism, which leads to degeneracy, is what forced society

02:53:48.740 into this fucking play anyway.

02:53:51.540 You know, I think a lot of men are angry that women have agency and they can live their

02:53:55.520 own lives, they can make income and these men are just upset about it.

02:53:58.340 That's what it is.

02:53:58.880 And the red pill was a good community for them to go to because they're rejected and they're

02:54:01.900 angry.

02:54:02.420 Yeah.

02:54:02.580 So the red pill is what it is.

02:54:04.560 Yeah.

02:54:04.960 So it has nothing to do with agency.

02:54:07.600 It has to do with the understanding of virtues.

02:54:11.480 Oh yeah.

02:54:11.760 It's virtues.

02:54:12.360 That's the issue.

02:54:13.100 Yeah.

02:54:13.220 Everyone's like, man.

02:54:14.000 Well, you think that gender is nebulous.

02:54:16.660 In fact, everything is nebulous.

02:54:18.060 So when you say masculine or you say feminine, those are nebulous terms to you.

02:54:22.420 But the thing is, is like masculinity is not a nebulous term.

02:54:25.740 It's always been associated with virtue.

02:54:27.640 Yeah.

02:54:28.120 The same as femininity, feminine virtues and masculine virtues.

02:54:32.800 The world changes.

02:54:33.560 Yeah.

02:54:33.760 But the thing is, it's like that forcing of the progression, of progression, ideology,

02:54:38.460 progressive ideology, exactly what got us here.

02:54:41.480 And all you're prescribing is more progressive ideology.

02:54:43.600 Yeah.

02:54:43.760 The idea that women wanted to, you know, be lawyers and they couldn't 55 years ago.

02:54:47.520 Yeah.

02:54:47.780 Oh no.

02:54:48.160 Oh my God.

02:54:49.200 Instead, they took care of their own children.

02:54:50.940 We're forcing it.

02:54:51.620 Oh, we're forcing it down your throat.

02:54:53.640 Oh my God.

02:54:54.340 Let me ask you this.

02:54:55.140 God forgive people trying to find their own agency.

02:54:56.700 Would you rather this?

02:54:57.480 Would you rather take away the ability of women to be lawyers if it meant that the human

02:55:02.520 population continued to go because they stayed at home or were mothers?

02:55:05.160 Or would you let humanity go extinct so that women could stay lawyers if they wanted to?

02:55:09.660 I don't know if a life is worth living if you don't have agency.

02:55:12.420 Can you answer my fucking question?

02:55:13.180 I just did.

02:55:13.840 No.

02:55:14.140 I would rather women had the choice.

02:55:15.760 That's what I said.

02:55:16.360 And all of humanity go extinct.

02:55:18.520 So be it.

02:55:19.820 Okay.

02:55:20.100 I think that's the end of the debate.

02:55:23.620 There's some other prompts.

02:55:25.440 We got some chats coming through.

02:55:27.120 Guys, if you want to get it in, $100 TTS.

02:55:29.760 Andrew's going for another smoke break.

02:55:32.420 There he goes.

02:55:33.360 He'll be right back.

02:55:34.320 Guys, we have Lucas.

02:55:35.400 Thank you, Lucas.

02:55:36.500 Lucas donated $100.

02:55:38.740 Appreciate it.

02:55:39.240 Healthy masculinity equals biblical masculinity, i.e., highly competent, patriarchal slash family

02:55:46.420 oriented, honorable, unassailably virtuous, courageous, with impeccable integrity.

02:55:52.260 Doesn't that sound like my definition a little bit beyond the Bible?

02:55:54.660 Is that your definition?

02:55:57.480 Doing the right thing because it's the right thing?

02:55:59.340 Like, you know, family oriented, honorable, virtuous, courageous, impeccable integrity?

02:56:03.940 I don't know.

02:56:04.540 Okay.

02:56:05.180 We have Jason.

02:56:06.040 Thank you, Jason.

02:56:07.200 Appreciate it.

02:56:07.620 Jason Castle donated $100.

02:56:10.720 Like I said, definitely one of the dumbest guys Andrew has ever debated.

02:56:15.100 In order to have an actual debate, you need to understand your opponent's worldview that

02:56:20.980 includes their definition, dummy.

02:56:24.460 I didn't come here to play the definition game.

02:56:26.040 That's Andrew's little tactic he does with every debate.

02:56:27.960 That's why these are five hours.

02:56:29.920 Yeah, but I mean, don't you think it's fair that in order for you guys to have an understanding

02:56:34.300 of what you're actually talking about, you both can agree on a definition?

02:56:39.040 Yeah, I do agree.

02:56:40.060 But there's things that I think are given that he tries to nitpick anyway.

02:56:44.520 Like, for example, if I said I think women historically would be oppressed, he would

02:56:49.220 say, well, what's oppression?

02:56:50.500 And then it's like he knows what oppression is, but he wants to play this semantic game

02:56:55.400 which leads us down a road which makes him win argument points, but it's like we both

02:56:58.920 agree that women have been oppressed at some point.

02:57:01.360 So that's why he might disagree, but I agree with you that he knows what, well, he has his

02:57:06.600 own sense of or his own definition of oppression, but he's just looking to you to give your

02:57:12.800 own definition to make sure that you guys are talking about the same thing.

02:57:16.080 For example, how would you, and I'm not debating you.

02:57:19.420 Sure, sure, no, I like this conversation.

02:57:21.220 No, for sure.

02:57:21.800 How would you define racism?

02:57:24.120 I define racism as a systematic discrimination due to someone's identity, mostly.

02:57:30.100 Like, I think prejudice and racism are two different things.

02:57:32.180 But for example, some people, and I don't know if you use this definition, will use the

02:57:35.540 following definition of racism.

02:57:37.420 Racism equals prejudice plus power.

02:57:39.880 Yeah, I can agree with that.

02:57:41.840 Is that your definition?

02:57:42.760 Yeah, I can agree with that, yeah.

02:57:44.320 But many people in the original definition of racism, that's not the original definition

02:57:51.280 of racism.

02:57:51.640 Sure, sure.

02:57:52.260 So that's why I think he's trying to figure out the definitions of words, because especially

02:57:57.220 with words like oppression, racism, sexism, if, oh my god, I am, I have not been talking

02:58:03.500 into the mic the entire time I had it turned around, so I hope probably nobody heard what

02:58:07.080 I was saying.

02:58:08.360 My apologies.

02:58:09.880 So the definition of racism, if it's prejudice, racism equals prejudice plus power, Andrew's

02:58:21.180 not going to agree with you on that definition.

02:58:22.780 Right, but instead of providing his own definition, he wants to pick apart mine.

02:58:26.000 And I think that's the bullshit that he does in debates.

02:58:29.120 If you don't agree with my definition, provide your own, huh?

02:58:32.160 You mean you win?

02:58:33.240 No, you're winning debate club.

02:58:34.700 I'm trying to have a conversation.

02:58:35.880 I don't know what a conversation is.

02:58:37.040 You don't even have a worldview that's informed.

02:58:38.560 Okay, sure.

02:58:39.120 All you're doing is prescribing degeneracy.

02:58:40.640 All you do is believe in Christian ethics, because it's your go-to.

02:58:43.200 No, I know, the thing that worked for 2,000 years.

02:58:44.660 Oh, it worked so well.

02:58:45.660 Yes, it did, for 2,000 years.

02:58:46.260 Yeah, then why aren't we doing it still?

02:58:47.900 We're trying to move society to it.

02:58:49.320 It's not going there.

02:58:50.160 Yeah, whatever.

02:58:51.020 I mean, half the world war.

02:58:52.540 By 2050, secularists are going to be more popular.

02:58:56.340 By 2050, secularists are going to be more popular.

02:58:58.100 They can't reproduce, doofus?

02:58:58.980 No, they can't.

02:58:59.280 They can't fuck.

02:58:59.920 We're the ones fucking.

02:59:00.540 They're not.

02:59:01.160 No, they're not.

02:59:01.580 We're the ones fucking.

02:59:02.240 Do you want to take a breakdown of population by secularists versus Christians?

02:59:06.220 Not even in the same fucking universe, dude.

02:59:08.380 Okay, okay.

02:59:09.060 Really quick, really quick, before we get right back into it, I just want to read a few chats.

02:59:13.400 I can't.

02:59:13.460 Dude, you've got to let me go get some sleep, man.

02:59:15.740 It's 24 hours I've been up now.

02:59:17.540 How long have we been doing this?

02:59:19.220 Like.

02:59:20.300 Hours.

02:59:20.820 Three hours.

02:59:21.220 It's time.

02:59:22.080 It's time.

02:59:22.580 We've got to wrap it on this, bro.

02:59:23.980 I'll be back tomorrow.

02:59:26.000 Do 30 minutes?

02:59:26.480 30 minutes.

02:59:26.680 Okay, 30 minutes.

02:59:27.340 Let me at least let the chats come through really quick.

02:59:29.380 Guys, okay, 30 minutes.

02:59:31.360 So, yeah, we'll do 30 minutes.

02:59:33.000 If you want, final opportunity, $99 TTS.

02:59:36.460 Also, really quick, guys, we're like 200 viewers away from hitting 10,000 concurrent viewers.

02:59:41.680 Let me ask this, too.

02:59:42.560 Join us really quick.

02:59:43.220 Is there any degeneracy you're against?

02:59:45.240 Any?

02:59:46.280 I'm sure.

02:59:47.600 Like homosexuality?

02:59:49.060 No, I'm not against that.

02:59:50.320 Female promiscuity?

02:59:51.540 No, I'm not against that.

02:59:52.520 Okay.

02:59:52.840 Are you against male promiscuity?

02:59:56.060 No.

02:59:56.980 Okay.

02:59:57.940 No male promiscuity.

02:59:59.580 Are you against like three men in a homosexual relationship adopting a child?

03:00:05.340 No.

03:00:05.760 No, not against that either.

03:00:07.760 What degeneracy would you be against?

03:00:10.760 Keep giving me examples.

03:00:11.900 I'll tell you.

03:00:13.320 Maybe necrophilia.

03:00:14.560 Like what?

03:00:14.960 Do you draw the line at dead bodies?

03:00:16.360 That's one.

03:00:17.100 That's it?

03:00:18.020 That's the one I could think of.

03:00:19.180 I'm sure there's more.

03:00:19.960 What about incest?

03:00:21.140 Yeah, I think that's degeneracy.

03:00:23.500 You think that is?

03:00:24.360 Yeah.

03:00:24.740 So can you tell me why it is you think two brothers shouldn't be able to have sex?

03:00:28.240 It just doesn't sit right with me.

03:00:29.680 Oh, okay.

03:00:30.200 It just doesn't sit right with me.

03:00:30.720 And none of this sits right with anybody.

03:00:32.840 The idea that you, so all you've prescribed for society is the same exact thing that these

03:00:39.060 guys have been dealing with for the last 50 years, which is just an unlimited amount

03:00:43.300 of degeneracy.

03:00:44.040 What new are, you know what?

03:00:45.120 Let me just ask this.

03:00:46.080 What new are you actually bringing to the table?

03:00:47.660 Are you bringing any new idea other than just, I'm a progressive and do whatever the fuck

03:00:52.960 you want?

03:00:53.520 Are you bringing anything?

03:00:54.940 I think my channel is showing that the red pill myths that they're being told about women

03:00:59.160 isn't necessarily true.

03:01:00.280 So I'm bringing that.

03:01:01.120 And people have told me that it's helping.

03:01:02.560 So that's what I'm bringing to the table.

03:01:05.620 Well, it looks to me like all you're bringing to the table is just more progressive degeneracy.

03:01:10.140 It looks to me like all you're bringing to the table is a return to the 1950s.

03:01:13.520 No, I'm just, well, here's the thing, 1950s, in the 1950s, what'd you think about the lack

03:01:18.760 of mental illnesses there?

03:01:19.980 Yeah.

03:01:20.220 I'm sure there weren't any mental illnesses.

03:01:21.960 No, no, no.

03:01:22.260 Maybe we didn't know how to talk about it.

03:01:22.840 In comparison to today?

03:01:24.100 The 1950s were so great.

03:01:24.980 Let's just go back there.

03:01:25.380 What was so, what?

03:01:26.960 What about the interpersonal relationships in the 1950s?

03:01:30.000 Did you hate so much?

03:01:31.580 What were they?

03:01:32.260 You don't know, do you?

03:01:33.300 Yeah.

03:01:33.620 You don't know.

03:01:34.180 No.

03:01:34.520 All you bring to the table is let's go back in time.

03:01:36.340 That's all you bring to the table.

03:01:37.140 Oh, I'm sorry.

03:01:37.840 You're upset that I use traditions.

03:01:39.960 Do I seem upset?

03:01:40.580 What's a tradition?

03:01:41.440 Do I seem upset?

03:01:42.200 Yeah.

03:01:42.880 It seems like an experiment that worked.

03:01:45.340 Oh, did it?

03:01:46.060 Yeah.

03:01:46.380 That's what a tradition is.

03:01:47.340 It's not working anymore.

03:01:47.620 Do you have family traditions?

03:01:48.760 Not really.

03:01:49.860 None?

03:01:50.540 Not that I can think of, no.

03:01:51.840 Would you agree with me that a tradition could easily be looked at as an experiment which

03:01:56.580 worked?

03:01:57.760 Not necessarily.

03:01:58.820 Well, I mean, why would you have them if they don't work?

03:02:00.880 I don't know.

03:02:01.420 Is the Christmas tree a tradition?

03:02:02.640 Does it work?

03:02:03.240 Yes.

03:02:03.360 It works?

03:02:04.260 And here's what it works for.

03:02:05.100 It has no application.

03:02:05.840 It works for the assistance of people getting around a Christmas tree and celebrating an event.

03:02:10.920 Yeah.

03:02:12.080 And it works so well that it spread like wildfire and everybody started doing it.

03:02:17.260 It was a great way to assist with community.

03:02:19.340 Seems like a tradition that worked.

03:02:20.840 Richard Dawkins, who was a very famous atheist, said he really misses Christmas carols.

03:02:25.300 He did everything he could to eliminate Christianity, but he really misses Christmas carols.

03:02:29.020 Yeah.

03:02:29.480 Well, you can celebrate Christmas without being Christian.

03:02:31.780 Sure.

03:02:32.120 He's just going to steal from our ethics, like always, and then, you know, degenerize

03:02:35.880 him.

03:02:36.300 Yeah, sure.

03:02:37.140 But, okay.

03:02:38.380 Did you want to, by the way, order food?

03:02:40.460 I was going to get us food after the show?

03:02:42.280 No.

03:02:42.660 Brian, I need sleep.

03:02:44.060 Okay.

03:02:44.500 No.

03:02:44.900 I need sleep.

03:02:45.440 Just checking.

03:02:45.740 I was going to order some food, Andrew.

03:02:47.620 I'm going to get you a burger.

03:02:48.900 All right.

03:02:49.100 Let me let the chats come through.

03:02:51.040 I'm sure the audience can tell I'm fucking tired, too.

03:02:52.980 Thank you, Christopher Scott.

03:02:53.860 I got donated $100.

03:02:56.480 And I wonder why men feel disheartened in society.

03:02:59.760 Could it be the solid 20 to 30 years of telling them they're monsters, predators, and hashtag

03:03:05.100 unalive all men?

03:03:06.700 No, it's all Red Pill's fault.

03:03:09.580 I think that's horrible.

03:03:10.680 I don't think people should make men feel terrible, but I think what's happening with

03:03:15.780 Red Pill is that it's becoming a dehumanization of women, and it's becoming demonizing women,

03:03:21.780 and I don't think that's going to help either.

03:03:23.400 So, I don't agree that men should be berated like that, but I also don't think women should

03:03:28.880 either.

03:03:30.220 Okay.

03:03:30.460 We have Jordan Flores here.

03:03:32.020 This is the Mexican guy, I think.

03:03:34.360 Jordan Flores donated $100.

03:03:35.920 The representative of Mexico.

03:03:37.080 Married for 10 years and four kids.

03:03:39.620 Again, Andrew, not all of us Mexicans are as stupid as this one.

03:03:44.180 Some of us understand how to follow a simple argument.

03:03:49.280 You got something to say about Mexicans?

03:03:51.140 Yes.

03:03:51.760 What is it?

03:03:52.220 Go ahead.

03:03:52.560 The mic's right there.

03:03:54.520 Well, I'm not going to say they're all as stupid as you.

03:03:57.620 What the fuck?

03:03:59.300 Oh, whoops.

03:04:00.100 Okay.

03:04:00.620 I'm not going to say that.

03:04:01.680 That's too much.

03:04:04.180 But the term stupid Mexican is pretty funny.

03:04:06.920 It's pretty funny.

03:04:08.040 Dude, if you want to help sincerely, then try to understand sincerely.

03:04:11.700 Andrew brings up good points and you remain evasive.

03:04:15.640 It doesn't help anyone.

03:04:18.440 Well, as I was telling Brian when Andrew went for a smoke, if I give a definition of something,

03:04:23.660 he doesn't agree with it.

03:04:24.440 He can provide his own, but instead he wants to play a semantic definition game and it's

03:04:27.660 bullshit.

03:04:27.940 So, I don't like playing that game with him.

03:04:29.900 I'm not.

03:04:30.620 It's really funny because I can be super pedantic with semantics.

03:04:35.840 That's true.

03:04:36.640 But in this case, you, by your own admission, said it's my own definition, meaning it's proprietary.

03:04:42.900 I have every business in the world exploring that to make sure that it is pointing at the

03:04:50.080 thing that we both understand is trying to point to, but it's not.

03:04:53.340 You keep it.

03:04:53.980 See, it's actually you playing semantic games because if you would narrow and hone on what

03:04:59.080 the definition was, we wouldn't have to waste so much fucking time on it.

03:05:02.260 So, I understood what it is you're trying to point at.

03:05:03.660 If you just were to provide your definition and we could find a middle ground, we could

03:05:06.380 also move forward to it.

03:05:07.100 It's your position.

03:05:08.100 I don't prove your position.

03:05:09.660 See, exactly.

03:05:10.260 This is the debate club bullshit that I'm talking about.

03:05:12.320 Yes, it's a debate.

03:05:12.760 It's an ideological debate between world views.

03:05:14.400 No, it's a debate club.

03:05:15.260 You're playing for some fucking stupid ass points.

03:05:17.440 Destiny triangles, bro.

03:05:18.340 Destiny triangles.

03:05:19.020 You're trying to play for some points that aren't real.

03:05:20.960 Yeah.

03:05:21.180 All right.

03:05:21.460 We have Cha here.

03:05:22.520 Thank you, Cha.

03:05:24.820 Cha XD donated $100.

03:05:27.740 These secular idiots are driving more men to red pill than even the most prolific red

03:05:32.760 pill podcasters.

03:05:33.920 I know, bro.

03:05:34.540 They offer you nothing.

03:05:36.140 No duty.

03:05:37.080 No prescriptions.

03:05:38.660 No virtue.

03:05:39.720 Just degenerate hell on earth.

03:05:41.480 Just degenerate seeds.

03:05:42.440 It's all they ever prescribe.

03:05:43.340 So as you mentioned that Myron Gaines is a degenerate and he's promoting stuff.

03:05:46.760 So what virtue is he promoting or what duty is he promoting?

03:05:49.340 Well, at least Myron, when you sit down and talk to him about virtues and about Christian

03:05:54.500 ethics and about duty, he'll at least concede on these grounds.

03:05:59.080 You literally just said the whole fucking world can just go ahead and die off if that

03:06:04.060 means women can't be lawyers.

03:06:05.640 Like, you're in a fucking different world of crazy.

03:06:08.360 Okay.

03:06:09.420 All right.

03:06:09.960 We've got Iron.

03:06:12.460 Thank you.

03:06:13.180 Iron.

03:06:13.460 Iron.

03:06:13.540 Manny.

03:06:13.780 Manny donated $100.

03:06:16.140 No mames.

03:06:17.260 Way.

03:06:18.040 Yella yella mea dolan trump parake te sake del pace porke.

03:06:22.080 I can't with you.

03:06:23.340 You look defeated.

03:06:24.860 Shoulders slumped.

03:06:26.200 Gaze down.

03:06:27.440 To do beta.

03:06:28.580 Way.

03:06:29.360 Nombe way.

03:06:29.860 That's some British Spanish there.

03:06:31.520 All right.

03:06:33.980 We have Jim.

03:06:35.440 GMD Jim.

03:06:36.300 Thank you, man.

03:06:36.680 Appreciate it.

03:06:38.780 Let's see here.

03:06:40.400 That's taken.

03:06:41.100 Guys, if you want, we'll do a roast session after this.

03:06:43.680 GMD Jim donated $99 roast, but Andrew might have to.

03:06:47.180 We'll leave.

03:06:47.620 I'll continue.

03:06:48.120 He talked shit behind your back, Andrew.

03:06:50.320 No shocker.

03:06:50.680 Like a woman.

03:06:51.820 Please pick up the mic and drop it.

03:06:52.860 What are you not shocked about?

03:06:54.240 That he would talk shit behind my back.

03:06:56.340 Did I talk shit behind his back, Brian?

03:06:58.580 What did you say?

03:06:59.600 You were here whenever I was talking to you.

03:07:01.520 I mean, I came in and you were talking shit when I wasn't here.

03:07:05.460 All Andrew does is blah, blah, blah, blah.

03:07:07.260 That's talking shit.

03:07:07.800 It's kind of like I don't remember.

03:07:09.880 Yeah.

03:07:10.100 I mean, that's definitely, even when I was walking in, I heard you talking shit.

03:07:12.420 Me and Brian were having a conversation about how you don't give a definition.

03:07:15.060 That's not talking shit.

03:07:16.240 Bro.

03:07:16.560 Wait, I didn't say that.

03:07:17.540 No.

03:07:17.820 I said we were talking about it.

03:07:19.340 That's what I was saying.

03:07:20.280 Bro.

03:07:20.700 Okay.

03:07:21.100 Yeah, we were talking about it.

03:07:21.980 So he got to the whole first part of this debate.

03:07:24.960 You go rewind it later and you need to.

03:07:27.300 That was me on defense.

03:07:28.720 And I gave you every opportunity to examine my worldview.

03:07:32.240 When we got to your positive claims, you refused to answer a single fucking question.

03:07:35.160 It was ridiculous.

03:07:36.540 Question for both of you.

03:07:38.700 There were a bunch more prompts.

03:07:41.020 What do you guys do around two?

03:07:43.440 Yeah.

03:07:44.560 Like a different day?

03:07:45.580 Yeah, a different day.

03:07:46.340 Absolutely.

03:07:46.460 Because, you know, Andrew, he's been up for 24 hours.

03:07:49.220 No, I know.

03:07:49.660 We've already done three hours.

03:07:50.860 No, I get it.

03:07:51.400 But if you're down to come back, we'd love, Andrew, if you'd like to do it again, we can,

03:07:55.380 you know, it was entertaining.

03:07:58.480 I can't wait to hear more about how degeneracy is going to save society.

03:08:01.960 I can't wait to hear, let's define this and let's define that.

03:08:04.920 How do you define this?

03:08:06.120 And I'm not going to provide my, it's not the rules.

03:08:08.180 All you got to do is ask me if you want to cross-examine my position.

03:08:13.100 I asked you to provide a definition and you didn't do it.

03:08:14.700 It's because it's your position.

03:08:16.640 It doesn't matter.

03:08:16.820 If we don't agree with it, let's talk about it.

03:08:18.220 I need to give you a definition for your fucking position, dude.

03:08:20.620 I gave you my definition and if you didn't agree with it, tell me yours.

03:08:24.020 It's that simple.

03:08:25.300 It's not debate rules, I know.

03:08:27.400 It's not the debate rules.

03:08:28.800 We can't have a real conversation.

03:08:30.100 It's illogical.

03:08:31.060 It's not illogical.

03:08:32.160 If you don't agree with my position, tell me yours and maybe we can find a middle ground.

03:08:36.500 But that's not how you debate.

03:08:38.140 That's not how you talk.

03:08:38.900 Bro, that's not how anybody debates.

03:08:40.360 That's how a lot of people have conversations, Andrew.

03:08:42.180 Listen, even inside of conversations, all you're really doing is debating.

03:08:46.900 It's just that you refuse to formalize it because you're terrified of where your fucking thoughts lead.

03:08:52.920 So what you do instead is filibuster, refuse to answer questions, refuse to allow me to even understand what it is that you're talking about with a proprietary definition.

03:09:01.360 Well, I also have seen enough of your debates that I know when you go down the morality rabbit hole, what morality do you subscribe to?

03:09:08.520 Oh, I'm Christian ethics.

03:09:09.740 Oh, well, you don't have any kind of relevant, you know, is relevantism.

03:09:12.740 It's the same bullshit you do every fucking debate.

03:09:14.660 So I'm not doing it.

03:09:15.380 I literally told you I wasn't going to get into morality.

03:09:18.500 But if we went down that hole, you can't help yourself.

03:09:20.900 Bro.

03:09:21.180 You can't help yourself.

03:09:22.200 I told you I wouldn't.

03:09:22.300 You do it every debate.

03:09:23.620 But here's the, no, I don't.

03:09:25.520 Not only that, not only do I not, especially in political debates, there's never a reason to.

03:09:29.840 In this case, we never really got into morality at all.

03:09:33.560 Just your prescriptions for society, which were just like, everybody can do whatever the fuck they want.

03:09:38.240 I know, but then you're going to say it's moral relativism.

03:09:40.140 Well, no, it's just, it's just Crowleyan.

03:09:42.120 It's just do as thou wilt.

03:09:43.240 It's the same shit we've been dealing with for 60 years.

03:09:45.160 You're not helping nothing.

03:09:45.940 All right, a few more chats coming through.

03:09:48.640 We got Birdman, $69 TTS for a session.

03:09:51.720 Member Birdman donated $69.

03:09:53.980 Thank you, Birdman.

03:09:54.440 When you leave the debate, you're going to leave with your definition.

03:09:58.160 So Andrew is working with your definition.

03:10:00.880 You're playing the semantics game, not Andrew.

03:10:03.980 Exactly.

03:10:04.240 I'm trying to be clear.

03:10:05.100 We're not playing semantics or equivocating.

03:10:08.120 See, the biggest thing, and like now the audience can see this firsthand, why this becomes so frustrating for people like me,

03:10:13.540 is with equivocation.

03:10:15.740 They'll move between like a tube of toothpaste.

03:10:18.720 They don't want you to pin them down on the shit they actually believe.

03:10:22.000 I said from the beginning that masculinity should not be rigid, and I don't have a strict definition.

03:10:26.780 So I can't pin down any beliefs.

03:10:28.300 Don't pin it down.

03:10:28.960 Share yours.

03:10:29.960 Right.

03:10:30.420 Share yours.

03:10:31.260 If you want my definition of masculinity.

03:10:33.280 Sure.

03:10:33.480 If you want to finally share it, let's go for it.

03:10:35.320 So my definition of masculinity and my definition of femininity are going to be tied to virtues.

03:10:41.340 Okay.

03:10:41.880 So here's what I mean by this.

03:10:43.480 Yeah.

03:10:43.600 If you have male virtue, right, and female virtue, all virtues are going to be united in the way that men and women both need to have courage, for instance.

03:10:54.160 Okay.

03:10:54.300 But if it is the case that the effects on society, when one gender specifically lacks whatever that virtue is over the other, and the results are either more devastating or more positive, that would be a masculine trait versus a feminine trait.

03:11:07.700 Interesting.

03:11:09.440 Say that one more time.

03:11:10.200 So you said courage is something that both masculine and feminine.

03:11:13.880 I don't want to answer any more about this.

03:11:15.480 I can't believe this.

03:11:16.700 I can't fucking believe that.

03:11:18.880 I just gave you my definition.

03:11:21.040 I just gave it to you.

03:11:22.220 I know.

03:11:22.500 Why are you asking me more about it?

03:11:23.840 It's because I don't understand.

03:11:24.740 I don't.

03:11:25.180 Well, I didn't understand yours, but that would.

03:11:27.180 Oh, I'm sorry.

03:11:28.060 I'm not questioning it.

03:11:29.000 No.

03:11:29.300 I'm not questioning it.

03:11:30.060 I'm not answering any more questions about my definition.

03:11:32.220 That's fine.

03:11:32.440 Go for it.

03:11:33.900 Not answering it anymore.

03:11:34.660 I wasn't questioning your definition.

03:11:36.520 I'm just trying to make sure I heard it right.

03:11:38.500 I'm trying to understand it.

03:11:38.780 Make sure I heard it right.

03:11:39.540 You're trying to understand it.

03:11:40.640 So you're trying to understand it so that you can.

03:11:42.160 I didn't ask you what's courage, did I?

03:11:43.780 No.

03:11:44.240 But the thing is, it's like you're asking me follow-up questions about the definition.

03:11:47.800 Rightly so.

03:11:48.840 Because I didn't understand it.

03:11:49.860 Exactly.

03:11:50.220 But you're saying what's good.

03:11:51.540 I didn't ask you what courage was.

03:11:53.140 I didn't ask you what courage was.

03:11:54.360 Bro, you didn't need to.

03:11:54.900 You were trying to get an elaboration.

03:11:56.900 You said, that's interesting.

03:11:58.120 Let's dive in on this a little more.

03:11:59.560 Yeah.

03:12:00.000 Look at that.

03:12:00.800 It's almost like you want to hone in definitionally on my worldview, which is smart.

03:12:04.740 The way I approach that is so different from the way you approach it.

03:12:07.260 It's the same shit.

03:12:07.500 And you fucking know it.

03:12:08.120 It's a conversation.

03:12:09.020 It's the same shit, bro.

03:12:09.280 No, it's not the same shit.

03:12:10.400 And you just learned something.

03:12:11.460 Dude, you had been doing this.

03:12:12.500 We could have had the best faith debate ever.

03:12:13.620 You are not a good faith debater.

03:12:14.920 All you had to do.

03:12:15.600 You're not a good faith debater.

03:12:16.300 All you had to do is exactly what I just did.

03:12:18.260 You're not a good faith debater.

03:12:18.340 Where you asked me the definition, I gave it to you.

03:12:19.920 I would have continued to answer your questions.

03:12:20.800 You are notoriously a bad faith debater.

03:12:22.820 According to who?

03:12:23.560 To everyone who's debated you.

03:12:24.620 Give me somebody who's not a leftist.

03:12:25.920 To people who've debated you.

03:12:26.540 Give me someone who's not a leftist.

03:12:27.000 No, anyone who's debated you.

03:12:28.760 Anyone.

03:12:29.220 Who?

03:12:29.660 Anyone.

03:12:30.100 Who's that?

03:12:30.660 Literally anyone.

03:12:31.760 Who's anyone?

03:12:32.260 I've never debated anybody named anyone.

03:12:33.700 You think Tommy Lauren thinks you're a good faith debater?

03:12:35.520 Tommy Lauren?

03:12:36.720 Whatever the fuck her name is.

03:12:37.820 A leftist?

03:12:38.560 Tommy Lauren?

03:12:39.280 Tommy Lauren?

03:12:39.700 Yeah, leftist.

03:12:40.300 She's not a leftist.

03:12:40.820 Oh, yes, she is.

03:12:41.460 Okay, here we go.

03:12:42.140 Now she's a leftist.

03:12:43.080 She's a progressive, yeah.

03:12:43.880 Yeah, sure.

03:12:44.300 She's a progressive.

03:12:44.840 Yeah, I called her out for being a feminist.

03:12:46.020 She's still pissed about it to this day.

03:12:47.240 No, because you're not a good faith debater.

03:12:48.880 That's why.

03:12:49.420 Did she ever call me bad faith?

03:12:51.560 You're not a good faith debater.

03:12:52.200 Did she ever call me bad faith?

03:12:53.400 I'm sure she thinks it.

03:12:54.460 Did she ever call me that?

03:12:55.540 I'm sure she thinks it.

03:12:56.300 She just made it up.

03:12:56.440 She just made it up.

03:12:57.480 She just made it up.

03:12:58.260 So you made it up.

03:12:58.840 She's still pissed, right?

03:12:59.440 So you made it up.

03:12:59.840 She's still pissed?

03:13:00.320 Yeah, but that doesn't mean I'm bad faith because she's pissed.

03:13:02.620 Why would she be pissed if it's a good faith debate?

03:13:04.520 Because I beat her in a debate.

03:13:05.700 It's not about being in debates because you called her a fucking name.

03:13:07.800 It's because you called her a fucking name.

03:13:09.000 No, you know what happens?

03:13:10.120 It's just people cope.

03:13:10.940 Humanity ties so women can be lawyers.

03:13:12.580 I want people to have agency.

03:13:14.180 And if that costs humanity, then what's life worth living?

03:13:17.240 Yeah, exactly.

03:13:18.360 Either they can be lawyers or humanity needs to go extinct.

03:13:20.260 I said agency.

03:13:21.500 It's not that specific, Andrew.

03:13:22.880 I asked you a specific question.

03:13:24.740 Yeah, because it ties into agency.

03:13:26.840 Right.

03:13:27.040 So what you're saying, again, they better be able to be lawyers or humanity can go extinct.

03:13:30.260 No, you're strong-ending my argument.

03:13:31.600 My argument is anyone who has – if you can't have agency in your life, I don't care if humanity goes off the cliff.

03:13:37.060 That's what I'm saying.

03:13:37.920 Okay.

03:13:38.800 How much agency?

03:13:40.000 I don't know.

03:13:41.280 Oh.

03:13:41.700 Agency, though.

03:13:42.380 Whatever that means.

03:13:43.040 A choice to – equality, basically.

03:13:45.460 Equal opportunity.

03:13:46.440 That's what I'm saying.

03:13:46.900 But men don't have equality in abortion, you're fine with it.

03:13:48.840 Equal opportunity.

03:13:49.820 Yeah, men don't have equality in abortion, you're fine with it.

03:13:51.560 Equal opportunity, I said, not equality.

03:13:53.420 Yeah, men don't have equal opportunity with abortion, either.

03:13:55.160 You're fine with it.

03:13:55.620 Well, they're not the ones giving birth, so of course they don't have equal opportunity.

03:13:57.480 But they're all the ones who are on the hook to take care of the kid the rest of their life.

03:13:58.760 If they want to give birth – hey, if they want to give equal opportunity to give birth, then yeah, let's go for it.

03:14:03.380 How about just equal opportunity to have a say in whether or not their kid is born or not?

03:14:06.680 But it's not an equal opportunity for them because they can't provide –

03:14:09.260 They don't need to to have the equal opportunity.

03:14:11.760 Oh, God.

03:14:12.040 They can't.

03:14:12.380 That's what laws are.

03:14:13.320 We can literally outlaw abortion tomorrow.

03:14:15.260 So you would rather there not be no world than abortion outlawed?

03:14:19.120 I didn't say that.

03:14:20.360 You're destroying agency and equity, right?

03:14:22.680 Is that your position, though?

03:14:23.660 No.

03:14:24.200 My position is not.

03:14:25.100 Why?

03:14:25.260 Because I have –

03:14:26.160 But women won't have agency.

03:14:27.780 That's not the same thing, man.

03:14:29.700 Why?

03:14:30.160 It's the same shit.

03:14:31.100 They won't have agency.

03:14:31.720 It's not the same thing.

03:14:32.200 They won't have agency.

03:14:32.640 It's not the same thing.

03:14:33.640 If women can't have abortions, they don't have agency, no.

03:14:35.700 The agency that men have, that's what I'm saying.

03:14:38.060 The agency that other people have.

03:14:39.460 If you can't have that, then no.

03:14:40.840 I don't think – whatever.

03:14:41.920 So like abortion?

03:14:43.700 You can't have an abortion?

03:14:44.960 No, I didn't say that.

03:14:45.760 Yeah, but if you can't have an abortion, how is that not limiting agency?

03:14:49.720 Because if no one can have an abortion, then no one can have an abortion.

03:14:53.280 That's it.

03:14:53.660 And if men have a say and women have a say, then both of them have a say and that's it.

03:14:58.860 No.

03:14:59.220 My point is if men have agency in one thing and women have the same opportunity to have

03:15:04.440 the same agency, then they should.

03:15:06.380 Like with a child being born?

03:15:07.680 No, because men don't have agency around childbirth at all.

03:15:10.220 Yes, they should have it though.

03:15:11.480 No, they don't because they don't get pregnant.

03:15:13.000 They don't get pregnant.

03:15:13.820 Yes, it's still their kid.

03:15:14.980 It's still their kid.

03:15:15.620 It doesn't matter.

03:15:16.520 So they should take care of it after it's done.

03:15:17.500 It doesn't matter.

03:15:19.080 Okay.

03:15:19.520 So then by that logic then, if you were going to implant, I don't know, your egg and your

03:15:25.700 wife's egg and then your semen into another woman and she agreed to it and it gets six

03:15:30.220 weeks down the road, should she be able to abort that kid?

03:15:33.980 If she doesn't want to go through with the pregnancy, it sucks, but yeah.

03:15:38.020 Okay.

03:15:38.640 No, at least I'm consistent.

03:15:40.100 Good Lord.

03:15:40.800 Let's finish the chats if we can.

03:15:42.420 All right.

03:15:43.220 We got Lulu Lulu here.

03:15:45.960 Thank you, Lulu Lulu Lulu.

03:15:47.640 Lulu Lulu donated $100.

03:15:50.240 Dude, stop dismissing this debate club.

03:15:53.220 You came on to a debate.

03:15:55.100 We're all expecting a debate.

03:15:57.280 That's like going to a funeral, cracking jokes or going to a party with bad vibes.

03:16:02.440 A debate can be several things.

03:16:03.840 It doesn't have to be this prescriptive rules that Andrew likes to play.

03:16:08.240 A debate can be a back and forth.

03:16:09.600 We got Lucas coming in here.

03:16:10.540 We got Lucas coming in and we got Rachel Wilson.

03:16:13.000 In just a moment with the chat.

03:16:14.700 If you want to get it in, we're doing a $69 TTS roast.

03:16:18.280 Lucas donated $100.

03:16:19.680 This is a roast session.

03:16:20.540 Hey, soy boy.

03:16:21.720 Exclamation mark.

03:16:22.760 Do you really think you changed in a single mind today with a vapid prattle?

03:16:27.620 Are you that out of touch?

03:16:29.380 Men have categorically rejected your worldview.

03:16:32.680 Did you see the election for potas?

03:16:34.520 Yeah, that's one election, but you guys aren't headed for more.

03:16:39.980 It's fine.

03:16:40.520 Did you vote Biden?

03:16:41.320 Oh, we're not, huh?

03:16:42.060 I absolutely did.

03:16:42.580 Did you see what happened with abortion?

03:16:44.200 We're not heading for more, though.

03:16:45.420 Did you see what's in the Supreme Court right now where they're about to maybe limit anchor

03:16:48.540 babies?

03:16:48.940 We're not heading for more, though.

03:16:49.900 Yeah.

03:16:50.720 We'll see how long this lasts.

03:16:52.020 Yeah, we'll see how long it fucking lasts.

03:16:53.580 We got Jag here, doesn't care about logic or the end of humanity, sick and demented human.

03:17:00.540 Thank you, Jag48, for the Super Chat.

03:17:02.360 Appreciate it.

03:17:03.420 And then we have Brian S.

03:17:05.140 Riddle me this, if all I need to do is read a book to get better, what good are psychologists?

03:17:09.520 Also, Soy Boy's month old channel is so informative about how bad the red pill is that he gives

03:17:15.940 his guests the subject matter to discuss.

03:17:19.220 I don't get that last part.

03:17:21.060 In other words, you're feeding them answers and information, is what he's saying.

03:17:26.360 Oh.

03:17:27.360 Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what he's saying.

03:17:29.380 Also, I want to address that, no, I don't think it's just a book.

03:17:33.380 It's the same thing with going to the gym.

03:17:35.160 I liken it to, if you go to the gym to work out your body, a protein shake helps.

03:17:41.740 For example, reading supplementary material, I think, helps.

03:17:44.760 Same way with therapy.

03:17:46.280 If you're going to therapy to work on the mental gym, books are supplements to that.

03:17:50.920 That's how I feel.

03:17:52.380 All right.

03:17:54.280 We'll do closing statements after we get through the rest of these chats.

03:17:58.120 There's about five.

03:17:58.760 Does this guy realize that there's cause and effect?

03:18:01.980 There's a reason for the red pill.

03:18:03.600 Well, it's not all on men.

03:18:05.660 We didn't cause it alone, so we can't fix it alone.

03:18:09.720 What responsibility do women have?

03:18:11.620 Well, I got his official answer for that on page three.

03:18:13.700 You don't have my official answer.

03:18:14.760 You said none.

03:18:16.180 No.

03:18:17.780 Responsibility, I think, to the red pill.

03:18:19.420 That's duty.

03:18:19.960 You said women have no duties.

03:18:21.320 To the red pill.

03:18:22.340 I'm talking about if we're trying to fix this divide.

03:18:23.980 That's what he's talking about.

03:18:25.120 So I'm saying if the red pill, yes, I agree.

03:18:27.740 It is a cause and effect.

03:18:29.400 Men have been rejected.

03:18:30.960 They're angry.

03:18:31.460 And red pill is a community that they feel they can confide in.

03:18:35.260 I think what needs to happen is I also think a lot of misandry is also a reaction to the red pill that we're seeing more prominent.

03:18:43.360 And I think that's a problem, too.

03:18:45.140 So I think if we want to get people back together, we have to stop being so extreme.

03:18:49.580 And I think we have to stop demonizing each other.

03:18:51.840 And I think that's both men and women.

03:18:54.000 Erroneous.

03:18:55.180 Erroneous.

03:18:55.580 Which part's erroneous?

03:18:57.720 Misandry being a response to red pill?

03:19:00.140 Yeah, to misogyny.

03:19:01.800 Wait, what?

03:19:02.940 I think red pill is a very misogyny space.

03:19:05.460 You said that misogyny was the response.

03:19:08.020 And so then if misandry is response to the misogyny, then that would mean that it was misandry that caused the misogyny.

03:19:13.740 How does that work?

03:19:14.500 Well, because what caused the misogyny?

03:19:17.380 Rejection.

03:19:18.060 Rejection.

03:19:18.520 And men being demonized.

03:19:20.320 Men being demonized, you said.

03:19:21.480 I said the misandry now, they need to stop demonizing.

03:19:25.680 I don't think that was the reason misogynist content started coming up.

03:19:28.960 It started coming up because men felt rejected.

03:19:31.700 And these guys prey on that rejection by saying.

03:19:34.620 Not because they were victimized.

03:19:35.160 No, I'm in the middle of speaking.

03:19:36.540 So these people are.

03:19:37.580 They're praying.

03:19:38.440 They're praying.

03:19:39.480 They're praying on people that are rejected and angry.

03:19:43.200 They're praying on people that are rejected and angry.

03:19:45.260 And so they're saying, hey, I can help you self-improve.

03:19:47.500 And by the way, women suck, don't they?

03:19:49.220 That's what red pill does.

03:19:50.140 Rachel Wilson donated $69.

03:19:55.540 Shout out to Rachel Wilson.

03:19:56.800 Male feminism is a mating strategy for beta males.

03:19:59.700 They try to blend in with the women and seem non-threatening.

03:20:03.280 If this guy really respected women, he would respect me and not lie about my husband.

03:20:09.680 I don't think I disrespected her in any way.

03:20:12.100 Okay.

03:20:12.800 Well, no, she's saying that the disrespect is when you lie about me.

03:20:16.640 I don't think I lied about you either.

03:20:17.780 I mean, when you say bad faith, those are all lies.

03:20:21.780 You're a bad faith debater.

03:20:22.480 No, you just don't know how to debate.

03:20:23.820 You're a bad faith debater.

03:20:24.500 You not knowing how to debate doesn't mean I'm bad faith.

03:20:26.980 The people who do know how to debate, they'll call you a bad faith debater.

03:20:29.240 Which ones?

03:20:29.860 Oh, not the liberal ones.

03:20:31.900 Yeah.

03:20:32.500 So the conservative ones who all become my friends after and come to me for debate lessons,

03:20:35.860 they don't think I'm bad faith though, huh?

03:20:37.120 Just the ones who hate my political ideology.

03:20:39.440 Yeah, that's all it is.

03:20:39.640 That's awful fucking convenience.

03:20:40.880 That's all it is.

03:20:41.620 It's awful convenient.

03:20:42.980 Yeah.

03:20:43.360 That, by the way, I've seen this on the other side too.

03:20:45.940 Tons of right-wing people are like, Destiny's bad faith.

03:20:48.140 I remember him putting out a post saying, at this point, I reject bad faith because it

03:20:52.400 just means you lost the debate.

03:20:53.960 And you know what?

03:20:54.540 I tend to fucking agree with him on that.

03:20:56.240 Well, that's good that you and Destiny agree on something.

03:20:58.960 Got a bound.

03:20:59.640 Lucas donated $69.

03:21:02.120 Thank you, Lucas.

03:21:02.620 Just imagine having to rely on this Ilkastrati to storm the beaches of Normandy.

03:21:08.000 Complete and utter lack of testicular fortitude.

03:21:10.820 Do you want to respond to the lack of testicular fortitude accusations?

03:21:14.960 I just don't understand where that's even coming from.

03:21:17.000 Just because I like women.

03:21:18.920 He doesn't get it.

03:21:19.320 I don't get it.

03:21:20.740 Okay.

03:21:21.200 All right.

03:21:21.460 We got another one coming in.

03:21:22.420 Selena Gomez.

03:21:23.220 Lucas, thank you very much.

03:21:24.240 Selena Gomez donated $69.

03:21:27.740 He literally wants us to take the blue pill and stay in the simulation.

03:21:32.120 Give me two red pills immediately.

03:21:34.680 If the red pill is working for you, I can already see this poor guy is a clown.

03:21:38.560 If the red pill is working for you, go for it.

03:21:40.600 Take another dose.

03:21:41.300 If the red pill is helping you in your life, take another dose.

03:21:43.820 Go for it.

03:21:44.720 Okay.

03:21:45.560 We got no more walls coming in here in just a moment.

03:21:48.360 Thank you.

03:21:49.180 No more walls.

03:21:49.760 No more walls donated $69.

03:21:52.700 I'm sorry.

03:21:52.980 One, seriously, the worst male guest every two raised two boys, myself, from birth and

03:21:58.600 are in their 20s, which I thank God turned out the opposite of this fool.

03:22:03.360 Three, BET he cucks for his mom and best friend.

03:22:07.420 I hope your boys don't take the red pill.

03:22:10.160 All right.

03:22:11.180 Thank you.

03:22:11.780 No more walls.

03:22:12.420 We got three more.

03:22:13.640 I hope they take the Christ pill.

03:22:14.540 I'd rather that than the red pill.

03:22:18.160 I believe that if a father has a child, they should take care of it.

03:22:30.560 That's what I believe.

03:22:31.540 What if they just give sperm?

03:22:34.220 If that's a contractual agreement, then fine.

03:22:36.760 Then what if they have a contractual agreement with a woman before they...

03:22:39.640 That's okay.

03:22:40.240 So then if it is the case that men began to have women sign contracts that if they got

03:22:46.840 pregnant, the men bore no responsibility.

03:22:50.180 Hang on.

03:22:50.800 Hang on.

03:22:51.100 I just want...

03:22:51.460 Let me finish the question.

03:22:52.120 Okay.

03:22:52.860 Right?

03:22:53.240 That men bore no responsibility whatsoever.

03:22:55.860 Yeah.

03:22:56.100 And they signed it.

03:22:57.120 You would want the state to not be...

03:22:58.700 To enforce that, right?

03:23:00.000 Yeah.

03:23:00.300 If it's a contract between two people and that's what they agreed to, that's fine.

03:23:03.240 Then welcome to the red pill.

03:23:04.380 That's not it.

03:23:05.180 Okay.

03:23:05.400 That's certainly not a red pill.

03:23:07.460 Yeah.

03:23:07.620 That's a very red pill position.

03:23:09.660 Spiro Master Programmer donated $69.

03:23:11.720 Thank you, Spiro.

03:23:12.240 This joker wants to help men with depression.

03:23:15.380 Also, he says they have no agency over their kids and removes agency from involuntary celibates

03:23:21.020 who, definitionally, can't do shit about their insaleness.

03:23:26.420 Spiro, thank you for that.

03:23:27.420 Appreciate it.

03:23:27.940 Thank you.

03:23:28.180 Thank you.

03:23:28.760 And then we have this chat.

03:23:29.840 Then we're going to do closing statements.

03:23:32.880 Powered by Assis donated $100.

03:23:36.220 Romania and Poland, we are the front line against Russian influence.

03:23:40.920 For the love of God, vote wisely in the coming presidential election.

03:23:44.780 Okay.

03:23:45.000 Vote Niki Zidane and against Russian propaganda and ideology.

03:23:48.500 There you have it.

03:23:49.400 Well, he can't be Poland or Polish.

03:23:51.560 There's no way he could have written that.

03:23:53.380 Mm.

03:23:53.600 All right.

03:23:54.920 So, here's what we're going to do.

03:23:56.140 We're going to do closing statement.

03:23:57.860 You're going to go first with your closing statement.

03:24:00.740 Andrew, you have final word.

03:24:02.900 My closing statement is simple.

03:24:04.340 If the red pill is working for you, by all means, continue consuming the content.

03:24:07.820 But if it's not, I implore you to seek other alternatives.

03:24:10.820 If you are depressed, if you're lonely, I encourage you to seek help because a lot of the people in this community are struggling and I hate to see it.

03:24:21.180 And the people I talk to that are in this community that say, you know, you're giving me hope for the first time, that's all I'm trying to do.

03:24:27.420 And maybe I didn't make the best argument because I'm not a debater.

03:24:30.140 I came here for the specific purpose and it's to try to help men in the red pill.

03:24:34.220 And if I did, great.

03:24:35.360 If I didn't, oh, well, so be it.

03:24:37.040 I gave it a shot.

03:24:40.460 All right, Andrew, go ahead with your closing statement.

03:24:43.620 Well, it all just comes down to ignorance.

03:24:46.000 So the ideas just haven't been thought through by my opponent.

03:24:50.480 I don't think he's a bad person, ultimately, though he does advocate for a lot of degeneracy.

03:24:58.960 But what's new?

03:25:00.240 What's he bringing you that's new?

03:25:01.500 Like, what is he saying to you?

03:25:02.740 He's saying what, basically, the only things I could really get out of him was switch up your preferences.

03:25:08.020 And I don't really have a good definition of masculinity or a good definition of femininity.

03:25:12.440 I don't have anything that's rigid.

03:25:14.200 That sounds basically like gender abolition, essentially.

03:25:17.320 That's what it sounded like to me.

03:25:19.100 Okay.

03:25:19.480 He's shaking his head.

03:25:20.300 So, yeah, probably something akin to that.

03:25:22.420 This is all just progressive ideology repackaged as I actually care about incels.

03:25:26.420 I actually care about fucking people, you know, men.

03:25:30.200 And I actually, they don't give a fuck.

03:25:32.120 Here's the thing, right?

03:25:33.180 It all comes down to this.

03:25:34.980 The truth is, is that you, all of you in this audience, are a threat to progressive ideology.

03:25:40.920 And so they're going to tell you that the people who are the closest to your ideology, who represent your worldview, are the bad guys and the enemy and this and that.

03:25:49.800 And then when they give you their prescriptions, what do they give you?

03:25:52.120 Fucking nothing.

03:25:53.100 What are the alternatives?

03:25:53.820 He said, I don't know.

03:25:55.240 What should we do?

03:25:55.960 I don't know.

03:25:56.940 What's masculinity?

03:25:57.640 I don't know.

03:25:58.320 What's femininity?

03:25:58.720 I don't know, right?

03:26:00.460 If I try to get a definition out of him, I'm being bad faith.

03:26:03.160 If I debate too good, I'm bad faith.

03:26:04.760 If I do any of these things, I'm bad faith.

03:26:06.640 If I even want to finish a sentence, I'm bad faith.

03:26:10.020 All of this just leads me to this.

03:26:12.260 It comes from a state of ignorance, and he doesn't realize he's prescribing the same shit that got us here to begin with.

03:26:18.140 If we go back and we see the intent, what does he say?

03:26:20.420 He says the same thing feminists say to me all the time, right?

03:26:23.280 He wants to take us back to the 1950s.

03:26:25.640 And if you ask him, like, okay, well, actually, let's just say I was.

03:26:29.300 What's so bad about the 1950s anyway?

03:26:31.660 Well, I don't know.

03:26:33.020 You know, I don't know anything.

03:26:34.180 I just, I don't know anything.

03:26:35.700 I'm not really here to prescribe anything.

03:26:37.340 I just fucking don't know nothing.

03:26:39.500 And it's like, well, okay, that's fine.

03:26:41.960 But the difference between this guy and destiny is, well, thank God for him.

03:26:46.480 He doesn't, I hope, I don't think you do.

03:26:48.780 You don't let, you're not in an open relationship, right?

03:26:51.000 Okay, good, good, good.

03:26:52.380 The difference between him and destiny is like, yeah, maybe he doesn't let people plow his wife.

03:26:55.500 But his prescriptions for things like this are just unfettered to generously.

03:26:59.980 It's like, do whatever you want.

03:27:01.360 It's the Crowley and do as thou wilt.

03:27:03.280 There is no duties.

03:27:04.480 There is no virtues.

03:27:06.000 Right?

03:27:06.220 All these things are very fluid.

03:27:08.200 And then we just end up with, well, just kind of do what works.

03:27:11.340 And it's like, well, then if that's the case, then even if this didn't work, what alternative would work?

03:27:18.480 I don't know.

03:27:19.360 And so the whole thing is incoherence nonsense.

03:27:22.240 It's not that I don't like this guy.

03:27:23.800 It's just that, like, it's very frustrating for me because I'm literally here to oppose this very ideology.

03:27:31.680 And I don't even get the benefit of having him fucking even tell me what it is because he doesn't know.

03:27:37.220 And so it's like, it's sitting there squeezing a toothpaste that moves there.

03:27:41.060 Then he pin it down, it moves here.

03:27:42.760 And so it's like, can I even match my worldview for prescriptions against his?

03:27:46.660 I can't because I'm willing to give him and he's not.

03:27:49.280 And that's it.

03:27:49.900 Can I add one more thing?

03:27:53.740 You can't add it after a close, dude.

03:27:55.640 If Andrew's willing to grant it otherwise.

03:27:57.620 It's kind of in your benefit, I think.

03:27:59.280 I'm trying to, like, so maybe I don't have the exact thing that I can prescribe to get out of the red pill.

03:28:05.180 But if it is Christianity, if it is that kind of community, then I implore you to do that.

03:28:10.540 You know, like, that's totally fine.

03:28:11.940 Well, let me ask this last question then since I get the last word on this one.

03:28:15.580 So what if it's the case that Christianity was ten times more oppressive towards women than anything the red pill wanted to do, but it made men feel a lot better?

03:28:24.060 Would you prescribe it then?

03:28:25.800 Probably not.

03:28:26.340 Yeah, I didn't think so.

03:28:27.740 So, yeah, he's right.

03:28:29.160 Come over to Christianity, especially based as traditional Christianity.

03:28:34.440 They are way worse when it comes to the question of egalitarianism than any of the fucking red pillers could ever dream of.

03:28:41.060 And he hates it.

03:28:42.180 And he should.

03:28:43.000 So before you leave here right now, Andrew, really quick, here's what we'll do.

03:28:48.840 So it sounds like you're both open to doing a round two.

03:28:52.820 So we'll maybe schedule that for a future date.

03:28:56.280 And also, Andrew's going to take off.

03:28:59.200 But, guys, if you want to stay tuned for a little bit, Rafael's going to stick around for a little bit.

03:29:03.880 And we're going to do a little roast session.

03:29:06.080 And if any of you have any questions for Rafael, you're welcome to stay tuned.

03:29:10.620 But Andrew needs to get some Z's.

03:29:13.180 He needs some Z's.

03:29:14.120 I am sorry.

03:29:14.640 I'm sorry, guys.

03:29:15.500 Unless you want a burger, I can get you a burger.

03:29:16.380 I'm always a good sport.

03:29:17.880 A quarter pounder.

03:29:18.220 And I always stay for all these shows and stuff.

03:29:20.920 But I'm just so fucking tired today because of all this travel.

03:29:23.760 But I will see you tomorrow.

03:29:25.400 Refreshed, right?

03:29:26.280 And Brian doesn't know it yet, but he needs me at my best.

03:29:29.340 No, we do need Andrew fresh.

03:29:30.860 And speaking of which, final thing here before Andrew leaves, we have Andrew for a debate tomorrow on Friday.

03:29:37.020 We have him for a debate on Saturday.

03:29:38.980 We're doing a dating talk panel Sunday.

03:29:41.260 We have a debate on Monday.

03:29:43.480 And then we have a special show on Tuesday.

03:29:46.680 So this is a long week.

03:29:48.040 So I know maybe you guys would have liked to have seen this go a bit longer.

03:29:51.420 But, you know, we've got to recuperate a bit.

03:29:53.780 So, Andrew, thank you so much for coming.

03:29:55.300 And for those of you who might be listening, you're like, you know, fucking Andrew's being a wuss.

03:29:59.900 Look, I literally, I didn't sleep.

03:30:02.640 I haven't slept for basically 24 hours.

03:30:04.340 I got off a plane and came right here to do this debate.

03:30:07.640 So, like, a little mercy from the chat.

03:30:10.520 I know that all of them are going to spam L's anyway, and I deserve it.

03:30:13.260 But a little mercy.

03:30:14.400 You know what, though?

03:30:15.400 M for mercy.

03:30:16.720 If you guys keep the roast going for about seven, eight hours, once Andrew wakes up.

03:30:24.000 And if we're still going, that's probably not going to happen.

03:30:26.960 But, Andrew, thank you for coming.

03:30:28.300 We're going to continue the roast session.

03:30:29.600 Always a pleasure to have you.

03:30:31.320 See you next time.

03:30:32.500 Yeah.

03:30:32.800 Yeah.

03:30:33.520 And, you know, we need to put – I feel like we need something there.

03:30:37.040 But, anyways, I'm going to let some of the – there's more chats coming through.

03:30:40.000 I'm going to let them come through.

03:30:42.100 Let's see here, Raphael.

03:30:43.860 Let's see what the viewers are saying.

03:30:46.100 One sec, guys.

03:30:46.660 It's taken me a sec to get it pulled up here.

03:30:50.020 We have a question from the Glocktavius.

03:30:56.320 He says this.

03:31:00.740 Glocktavius donated $69.

03:31:03.760 Is it straight to date a transgender woman?

03:31:06.860 Would you date a transgender woman?

03:31:09.340 That's for you.

03:31:10.720 I personally wouldn't, and I don't know.

03:31:13.280 I think it's – maybe it's in the queer territory.

03:31:16.400 I have no idea.

03:31:17.800 I don't know how to define it.

03:31:18.640 Is it straight, though?

03:31:19.920 I don't know.

03:31:20.640 I don't know how to – I don't know if I'd be able to define that, no.

03:31:23.320 Andrew, grab one of those beers on your way out, by the way, one of the beers from the refrigerator, if you'd like.

03:31:28.580 Okay, thank you, Glocktavius, for that.

03:31:30.560 We have this – he has a follow-up question for you.

03:31:33.980 Glocktavius donated $69.

03:31:36.540 Do you think black people can be racist towards white people?

03:31:40.700 Do you think women can be sexist towards men?

03:31:43.920 If not, define racism and sexism.

03:31:46.720 No, because I think racism and sexism often involves prejudice plus power.

03:31:53.960 So if you're – let's say – I'm going to make an example, and this is a wild example.

03:31:57.180 But let's say you're afraid of a certain minority group.

03:31:59.280 You don't want to walk on the same side of the street as them.

03:32:01.560 I consider that prejudice.

03:32:02.920 But if that same person comes in for a job at your company and you say, no, I'm not going to hire you because of this, that's what I consider racist.

03:32:08.980 So it's similar with sexism as well.

03:32:11.060 Same for both.

03:32:12.060 Same for both.

03:32:12.700 Prejudice plus power.

03:32:13.680 Prejudice plus power for their identity.

03:32:15.740 Okay.

03:32:16.580 All right.

03:32:17.180 That's from Glocktavius.

03:32:18.960 Well, if not – oh, well, you did define it then.

03:32:22.000 You did define racism and sexism.

03:32:24.160 Prejudice plus power.

03:32:25.700 Is there any scenario in which a woman could be sexist towards a man?

03:32:29.040 If she's in power to do so, yes.

03:32:31.400 Okay.

03:32:31.680 So if she owned a company and she refused to hire men, that would be sexist?

03:32:34.440 Yes.

03:32:34.780 Okay.

03:32:35.120 All right.

03:32:36.120 There's some consistency there then.

03:32:37.920 We have Archduke.

03:32:39.180 France Ferdinand.

03:32:40.380 Fart?

03:32:40.640 Archduke France Fartinand.

03:32:42.400 Fartinand.

03:32:43.140 Wow.

03:32:44.880 A female politician said women have always been the primary victims of war.

03:32:50.220 Women lose their husbands.

03:32:51.560 Bababooey, bababooey.

03:32:52.360 Their sons in combat.

03:32:54.780 Do you agree that women are the primary victims of war?

03:32:58.000 I mean, I think most men die in war, so I don't see how they're the primary victims.

03:33:05.320 But I do think war has casualties for each gender, for sure.

03:33:09.000 So would you say men are the primary victims of war?

03:33:11.660 I think so.

03:33:12.380 Okay.

03:33:12.660 I mean, do people say otherwise?

03:33:14.740 Well, so that quote's actually from Hillary Clinton.

03:33:18.400 Oh.

03:33:18.640 She said that shit in the 90s, and she actually repeated it again like a year or two ago in relation to the Ukraine war.

03:33:27.280 Interesting.

03:33:27.720 Women have always been the primary victims of war.

03:33:29.840 That's what she said.

03:33:31.140 Do you agree with her or disagree?

03:33:33.120 I don't think I agree with that, but I haven't put any more thought into it.

03:33:36.100 But I just feel like if men are the mass casualties of war, then they're probably the biggest victim, I would imagine, just from a quick thought.

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03:34:47.760 Red Pill saved me.

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03:35:03.000 That's interesting.

03:35:03.700 I mean, look, if whatever ideology is driving you to be depressed, lonely, isolated, angry,

03:35:11.960 you know, I would prescribe you get away from it.

03:35:13.980 If, you know, I don't know.

03:35:15.840 I just know the statistics and the peer-reviewed studies say that Red Pill, you know, content

03:35:21.080 creators kind of create that in their audience.

03:35:25.120 And that's what every study kind of says.

03:35:27.080 So, and I think this loneliness epidemic is only going to lead to more men unalives.

03:35:31.900 And that's what I don't want, because I know what it's like to feel depressed.

03:35:34.660 I know what it's like to feel like you don't want to keep going.

03:35:36.700 And so I want to help people find a way out of that.

03:35:39.500 But do you think, do you think that feminism is sort of, is similar to Red Pill, or do

03:35:47.600 you think they're different in the, there's a difference of advocacy of what you're talking

03:35:51.960 about, but you think it's like the counter image?

03:35:54.060 No, I think misandry is probably the closest thing to what Red Pill ideology is, because

03:35:58.640 I don't think there's necessarily an equivalent for women on that side.

03:36:01.220 But I do think that my personal definition of feminism, and I think a lot of people's

03:36:05.820 today, is just equal opportunity regardless of outcome.

03:36:09.560 So that's what I view as feminism.

03:36:11.380 Equal opportunity.

03:36:12.040 Would you be in favor of the draft, military draft for women?

03:36:16.240 I don't consider that equal opportunity.

03:36:18.720 What do you mean?

03:36:20.120 For example, an opportunity would be...

03:36:23.480 Well, yeah, I, well, I don't think the draft is an opportunity for men or women.

03:36:27.920 Agreed, agreed.

03:36:28.680 So I'm not really talking about equality of opportunity, but it would be equality if

03:36:33.680 both men and women were subject to...

03:36:35.260 But I'm not, I'm not pushing for necessarily full equality.

03:36:38.460 I'm pushing for equal.

03:36:39.500 Why not?

03:36:39.960 Because that's not my definition.

03:36:41.520 My definition is equal opportunity.

03:36:43.780 If a man has the opportunity to do something, and a woman is just as capable of doing said

03:36:48.200 thing, then do it.

03:36:49.400 Now, in my definition, if you're talking about conscription, if a woman is as capable of

03:36:53.820 a soldier as somebody else, and the country decides that's what, that's, you know, that's

03:36:57.520 what we should go, then go for it.

03:36:58.600 But I don't think we should just start drafting anybody.

03:37:01.080 I think it is about...

03:37:02.060 And also, for the record, do you know how many, what percentage of men were drafted for

03:37:05.220 Vietnam?

03:37:07.580 I think, wasn't it like a couple hundred thousand?

03:37:11.140 No, but what percentage of the male population at the time?

03:37:13.440 It's like 2%.

03:37:14.240 So it's not that big of a thing.

03:37:16.040 And in the 20th century, only nine...

03:37:17.720 Hold on, it's not that big.

03:37:18.480 I thought your whole thing here, though, was like, I want to reduce the unaliving rate

03:37:22.920 of men.

03:37:23.340 I want to reduce...

03:37:23.980 Let's get rid of conscription.

03:37:24.920 Right, but you're saying it's not that big of a thing.

03:37:29.200 I think the Vietnam veterans who were drafted, who either are still alive, who have PTSD or

03:37:34.740 depression, or who are homeless, whatever it is, or the ones who are dead, would probably

03:37:39.060 disagree with you that it's a small thing.

03:37:40.820 No, you're right.

03:37:41.360 I shouldn't have said it like that.

03:37:42.300 I'm saying it's a small percentage of the population, that it's not happening to the

03:37:45.980 vast majority of men.

03:37:47.100 So I think the vast majority of men aren't ever going to be drafted.

03:37:50.480 It's never going to be a thing, simply because in the 20th century, only 9% of the total

03:37:54.060 male population has been drafted.

03:37:55.720 So that's still more than I'd like.

03:37:57.840 Wait, in the...

03:37:58.640 In the 20th century, only 9% of the male population has ever been drafted.

03:38:03.340 That's a lot of men.

03:38:04.360 I agree, but it's not the majority.

03:38:06.260 And it's not the vast majority.

03:38:07.480 It's not even close.

03:38:08.240 Well, all men have to register for the Selective Service.

03:38:11.580 Agreed.

03:38:12.740 So there's inequalities.

03:38:15.740 While I agree with you that we might be in peacetime, or there might be periods of peacetime

03:38:20.260 where men aren't going to be drafted, there are still ramifications for not registering

03:38:26.460 for the Selective Service.

03:38:27.860 Sure, sure.

03:38:28.260 And all men have to register for the Selective Service.

03:38:30.900 One of the big things we were talking about was voting.

03:38:33.100 In order to be eligible to vote as a man, you have to register for the Selective Service.

03:38:37.060 Failure to do so precludes you from the ability to vote.

03:38:40.100 Sure.

03:38:40.320 I don't necessarily see that as an opportunity.

03:38:42.700 I see that as something I wish we didn't have to do.

03:38:43.840 Well, yeah, I'm just talking about equality in general.

03:38:45.740 But I'm not really prescribing equality across the board.

03:38:48.880 I'm saying equal opportunity.

03:38:51.180 So if a man is able to make a decision in his own life to do something, and a woman is

03:38:55.500 just as capable of doing the same thing, she should do it too.

03:38:57.980 I'll engage with you on equality of opportunity.

03:39:00.520 Women have the opportunity to not be subject to Selective Service and forced military conscription.

03:39:06.520 Then I think men should too.

03:39:07.400 It's probably an opportunity, right?

03:39:08.960 But so are you in favor of just abolishing the draft entirely?

03:39:12.060 Ideally, yes.

03:39:12.900 Okay.

03:39:13.160 But do you think that that's politically tenable?

03:39:17.740 I think so.

03:39:18.440 I think we have a large enough volunteer army.

03:39:20.100 And I also think wars in the future aren't going to be necessarily boots on the ground.

03:39:24.420 I think wars in the future are going to be either cyber or they're going to be drones or they're

03:39:29.260 going to be, we have air superiority.

03:39:31.100 I don't think it's going to be boots on the ground unless something crazy happens.

03:39:34.180 I mean, let's talk about the most, the two most modern conflicts.

03:39:37.880 So you have the war in the Middle East and then you have the Ukraine war.

03:39:41.580 Are there not boots on the ground?

03:39:43.600 Are men not being drafted into these conflicts?

03:39:45.880 Sure, but they're not being drafted.

03:39:46.960 There wasn't a draft in Iraq.

03:39:49.020 There wasn't a draft in Afghanistan.

03:39:50.820 Well, I'm talking about Ukraine and the Middle East.

03:39:52.520 I'm talking about the United States.

03:39:53.940 Oh, you're talking about the United States?

03:39:55.080 Correct.

03:39:55.540 Yes.

03:39:55.760 Okay.

03:39:55.980 Yeah.

03:39:56.160 There hasn't been a draft since Vietnam.

03:39:58.320 Right.

03:39:58.660 But in Ukraine, there is forced military conscription and they abduct men into the streets.

03:40:03.440 I don't agree to that.

03:40:04.460 I mean, maybe if it's like things are so dire, that's what we have to do.

03:40:07.320 I mean, I hope we never get to that point.

03:40:09.320 But in an ideal world, we have a large enough, in the US, we have a large enough volunteer army

03:40:13.740 and we have technological advancements that are superior to our adversaries.

03:40:18.140 So I don't think it's going to be a boots on the ground war unless something crazy happens

03:40:23.000 to the world.

03:40:24.600 Yeah.

03:40:25.060 But so given, so, I mean, we can talk about should the draft go away, but since it is a

03:40:30.720 reality, the draft is a reality and we're selective services reality, shouldn't women be obligated

03:40:36.160 to sign up as well?

03:40:37.980 I don't think so.

03:40:38.700 No.

03:40:39.020 Why?

03:40:40.180 I think because men are more capable in war.

03:40:43.600 That's why.

03:40:44.060 And I think that's what you'd rather have.

03:40:46.480 Yeah.

03:40:46.640 But I mean, so I saw a stat and maybe somebody in the military in the chat can weigh in.

03:40:52.540 In order to field one combat soldier, you need 10 support roles in the military.

03:40:59.280 So if you want like frontline combat soldier, you need 10 people in support roles, administration

03:41:06.520 to enable that one individual on the frontline.

03:41:10.160 So there are roles that women could serve.

03:41:12.660 Look, even if women were subject to forced military conscription, it's probably unlikely

03:41:17.260 that they would encounter frontline combat.

03:41:20.720 I personally think that's still unequal.

03:41:23.320 I guess I would accept that they should at least be subject to forced military conscription,

03:41:26.780 but there's plenty of roles in the military that women can, you know, the pencil pushers.

03:41:32.740 Sure.

03:41:33.060 Pencil pushers.

03:41:33.800 Well, here's what I'll say.

03:41:35.040 I think men should still be the primary people that have to serve.

03:41:38.700 I mean, again, if I could get rid of the draft, I would if we have just a volunteer army and

03:41:43.520 technological investments to combat our enemies.

03:41:46.340 But should a draft, if something terrible happens, we have to draft.

03:41:49.960 I still think primarily let's draft men because they're more capable at combat and in the front

03:41:54.220 lines.

03:41:54.540 But if we desperately need the help and women can be in the support role, then, you know,

03:41:59.460 maybe that's a discussion to have.

03:42:01.860 Honestly, I think we should just draft women for frontline combat.

03:42:06.720 I don't think that's a good idea.

03:42:08.360 That that's kind of sexist of you.

03:42:11.980 I don't think I'm I don't think I'm preventing this.

03:42:15.000 No, I don't believe in strong, independent boss babes.

03:42:17.980 I do.

03:42:18.780 And if there are women in my my definition of feminism, if there are women who would like

03:42:22.980 to go to the front lines because they feel capable enough, then go for it.

03:42:26.220 But I'm not saying they should be forced to.

03:42:28.120 I think I honestly we draft them.

03:42:30.240 It's kind of like, you know, we've had hundreds, hundreds, thousands of years of forced military

03:42:34.360 conscription for men, maybe just like test it out for like a century.

03:42:38.660 Just send the women to war.

03:42:40.340 You're not serious, though, right?

03:42:41.280 You're not serious.

03:42:42.060 And we should televise it.

03:42:43.220 This isn't for you're not for real.

03:42:44.500 Right.

03:42:44.920 This isn't for real.

03:42:45.760 I mean, look, if this idea that men are better suited for for war.

03:42:51.080 Yeah.

03:42:51.640 Yeah, you're you're right.

03:42:52.740 But what if everybody just we all agreed and let's just let the women do a bit of the fighting

03:42:57.540 for a century.

03:42:59.980 It's just women versus women.

03:43:01.840 So it's kind of, you know.

03:43:03.620 Oh, I see.

03:43:04.280 It's not women versus men.

03:43:05.460 Women across the board.

03:43:06.360 Like I think for the equality of opportunity, we should allow women to have post-traumatic

03:43:11.640 stress disorder and, you know, just like get a get a artillery shell in the in the the

03:43:18.680 gullet.

03:43:19.380 I'm in favor.

03:43:20.440 What would the men be doing?

03:43:22.060 We would be what are the women doing in Ukraine?

03:43:25.620 We'd be on Tinder sleeping with the women who didn't get drafted.

03:43:30.460 We would we'd be kicking it.

03:43:33.640 We'd be kicking it.

03:43:34.440 We'd be mowing lawns and shit.

03:43:37.360 And I mean, that is an interesting hypothetical, but you're not for it.

03:43:43.340 I'm not.

03:43:43.820 I'm not.

03:43:44.180 Because, again, my loose definition of masculinity is doing the right thing because it's the

03:43:48.820 right thing.

03:43:49.420 And I think men.

03:43:50.800 Yeah.

03:43:50.880 What's the right thing?

03:43:51.620 The right thing in this situation is protect women.

03:43:53.800 That's what I feel like protect women.

03:43:55.420 Yes.

03:43:55.740 I I think the right thing would be in the event of a war.

03:43:59.340 All the countries just agree.

03:44:01.040 All the countries agree.

03:44:02.000 OK, we're just going to have women.

03:44:03.780 You know, we're all feminists now.

03:44:05.020 We're going to have the women fight.

03:44:06.300 Just test it out.

03:44:08.020 And then but we get to televise it, too.

03:44:10.300 I mean, we already do that with the war.

03:44:11.980 I just don't think that's necessarily feminism.

03:44:14.000 I mean, here's a loose example.

03:44:15.420 It's a terrible example.

03:44:16.740 The women get to fight.

03:44:17.860 No, it's an equal opportunity.

03:44:19.740 It's not.

03:44:20.040 It's an equal opportunity to die.

03:44:21.420 That's not an opportunity that no one thinks being the front line is an opportunity for

03:44:25.880 women to die.

03:44:26.880 No, I certainly don't.

03:44:28.380 That is misogynistic, sir.

03:44:30.200 I want you to apologize to all the women watching that you don't want equal opportunity for

03:44:36.020 women to die.

03:44:37.080 So the way I see it, and this is a stupid example, but it's the first one that came to mind.

03:44:41.120 If you're on an airplane and you see someone struggling to put their suitcase up, do you

03:44:46.040 get up and do it?

03:44:47.540 If I see somebody?

03:44:48.540 Yeah.

03:44:50.140 In the carry on.

03:44:52.680 What?

03:44:53.340 I'm just asking, when you're on an airplane and you see someone struggling, I'm not even

03:44:58.120 saying anybody.

03:45:00.020 I'm not even saying gender.

03:45:01.260 I'm not saying anything.

03:45:02.380 Yeah, sure.

03:45:02.740 If someone's struggling.

03:45:03.400 Sure, I'll help.

03:45:03.900 That's kind of how I feel masculinity is.

03:45:05.860 I'm capable enough to do this thing.

03:45:08.240 I should do it.

03:45:09.400 That's how I feel.

03:45:10.140 I think we should help women get drafted into the military and let them do a bit of the

03:45:16.260 dying.

03:45:16.700 I don't believe you believe that.

03:45:17.420 I think they should.

03:45:18.180 I think the women should do a bit of the dying.

03:45:20.080 Are you doing the Trump hands?

03:45:21.760 Are these your Trump hands?

03:45:22.880 Okay.

03:45:24.020 I think we should have some of the women do a bit of the dying.

03:45:26.940 Just equal it out a little bit.

03:45:28.300 You know, a little bit of shell shock.

03:45:31.040 A little, you know, a little bit of mortars.

03:45:35.240 Let them experience some mortars.

03:45:36.780 Trench warfare.

03:45:37.540 Trench warfare is back in Ukraine.

03:45:39.460 They got trenches.

03:45:40.440 You see the drones dropping the grenades?

03:45:43.080 You seen that?

03:45:43.840 Yeah, let's maybe look.

03:45:45.400 Let's get women to do it.

03:45:47.200 I don't agree.

03:45:49.840 I don't agree.

03:45:51.000 Have you got any more jets?

03:45:51.780 I'm the actual real feminist here.

03:45:53.900 You seem like a bit of a red pill podcast, bro, with your, you know, men are supposed

03:46:00.700 to protect women.

03:46:04.540 That's very, you know.

03:46:05.640 I think men should protect the innocent and I think men should protect people that can't

03:46:10.320 protect themselves.

03:46:10.980 That's what I believe.

03:46:12.520 So the women are the innocent and the men are what?

03:46:14.940 The devils?

03:46:15.700 No.

03:46:16.160 What are the men?

03:46:16.700 I'm not saying men are, I'm not giving a judgment on men.

03:46:19.760 I'm not giving a judgment on anybody necessarily, but if somebody can't defend themselves, I

03:46:23.260 think men should.

03:46:23.940 That's all.

03:46:24.940 Men should.

03:46:26.000 Yeah.

03:46:26.400 No, but that's what I'm saying.

03:46:27.380 With the war, we just make that shit all women.

03:46:29.800 We have a United Nations.

03:46:31.740 We have them agree.

03:46:33.100 Okay.

03:46:33.420 For the next hundred years, all the men, you know, they're not going to fight.

03:46:37.280 We're going to send the women to fight.

03:46:38.700 But I think that you're not on board with that.

03:46:42.860 Do you get on board with that?

03:46:44.500 Do you think that would be?

03:46:45.520 You're not on board with that, Raphael?

03:46:46.740 I'm not.

03:46:47.080 Do you think that would be good for the general population and in terms of us, you know,

03:46:51.800 continuing our population?

03:46:53.200 Do you think that would be a good thing?

03:46:55.140 Yeah, it'd be good.

03:46:56.060 Okay.

03:46:56.720 It'd be good.

03:46:57.640 Okay.

03:46:58.320 Yeah.

03:46:58.600 You know, you send, you send the feminists to fight, send the feminists to fight or send

03:47:03.140 the antinatalists.

03:47:04.160 Cause like you look, if you're a woman and you're pregnant, you can, you can get out of

03:47:08.420 it.

03:47:08.880 But don't you want women to be getting pregnant during this time?

03:47:12.160 Look, we're going to put a cap.

03:47:13.900 Only 10%, only 10% of the women can fight.

03:47:17.580 That's it.

03:47:18.300 We won't send more.

03:47:19.480 Just 10%.

03:47:20.440 That's it.

03:47:21.020 That's a weird rule when you're having a war where you're like, Hey, we're only going

03:47:23.800 to send 10% of our troops.

03:47:25.060 You guys agree to that?

03:47:25.980 I don't, I just don't think that works.

03:47:27.420 I mean, again, I don't think anyone would do this in this hypothetical.

03:47:31.160 10% of the population.

03:47:32.800 So, uh, just why, but don't you think we should send women?

03:47:36.360 I don't, I don't, I don't, I just don't.

03:47:38.660 Because I don't think that they're capable.

03:47:40.180 I think men are more capable and men are more capable in war.

03:47:43.160 Yes.

03:47:43.760 Okay.

03:47:44.540 All right.

03:47:44.880 We got some chats coming through, but I got some more, I got some more things I want to

03:47:48.360 talk to you about.

03:47:49.180 Okay.

03:47:49.940 All right.

03:47:50.220 Let me let some of the chats through.

03:47:51.360 Sorry for the delay, guys, but I'm sitting next to a misogynist who doesn't want women

03:47:55.720 drafted and it's really frustrating.

03:47:57.800 I'm really upset by this whole, you know, this, the sexism is just, I feel the sexism

03:48:02.800 coming from you, man.

03:48:03.700 It's a little, it's a little upsetting to me, but okay, I'm really a wolf in sheep's clothing.

03:48:07.780 It's really upsetting.

03:48:08.640 I already have changed people's minds, but that's okay.

03:48:27.400 You know what?

03:48:31.240 Oh, wait, nevermind.

03:48:32.420 Okay.

03:48:32.980 Selena Gorn is donated $69.

03:48:36.180 The red bill is the alternative.

03:48:38.700 It's the rejection of do what you want all the time.

03:48:41.440 And that is what isn't working.

03:48:43.400 Have standards.

03:48:44.480 Hold men and women to those standards.

03:48:46.860 Seek Christ.

03:48:48.480 Are you a religious man?

03:48:50.840 Are you?

03:48:51.440 I was raised Catholic, but no.

03:48:52.900 You're agnostic.

03:48:54.360 You're atheist.

03:48:54.900 I call it agnostic.

03:48:56.240 Agnostic, okay.

03:48:57.940 Jason Castle donated $69.

03:48:59.860 Thank you, Jason Castle.

03:49:01.260 Feminist man, I will literally fight you.

03:49:03.740 Oh, shit.

03:49:03.940 Brian set up this fight.

03:49:05.480 Oh, my God.

03:49:06.020 Andrew, this is why I don't consider myself a good debater because I would have fought

03:49:10.320 this dummy.

03:49:11.480 Make a class on how to be patient.

03:49:13.380 Wow.

03:49:13.960 I don't know, Jason.

03:49:14.680 I got some hands, dude.

03:49:15.760 I don't know.

03:49:16.740 Were you getting angry at Andrew?

03:49:19.260 No.

03:49:19.480 During, there was a moment there where you told him to shut the fuck up.

03:49:23.360 And I thought you were about to get up and throw some hands.

03:49:27.220 No.

03:49:27.780 Andrew yells that all the time.

03:49:29.600 I'm just giving him his own medicine.

03:49:30.640 That's all it is.

03:49:30.720 You gave him a taste.

03:49:31.700 I gave him a taste.

03:49:32.160 You're saying you gave him a taste.

03:49:32.740 Okay.

03:49:33.200 All right.

03:49:33.280 That's it.

03:49:33.940 I was pretty calm through the whole thing.

03:49:35.680 All right.

03:49:36.540 Look, we got another chat coming in.

03:49:38.340 Nameless.

03:49:38.800 Thank you for it.

03:49:39.440 Nameless name seven donated $69.

03:49:43.060 Yo, Rafa.

03:49:43.800 You seem like a decent person.

03:49:45.760 Rafa.

03:49:45.980 But you need to think for yourself and stop letting the world shape your opinions.

03:49:50.200 You say you want people to leave Red Pill, but you also prescribe it.

03:49:55.740 I don't see how I prescribed it beyond saying, hey, if it's working for you, if you're living

03:50:01.000 a happy life, if you're getting what you want out of relationships and friendships, okay,

03:50:05.340 I'm not going to tell you to change.

03:50:06.740 But if you're not, I'm prescribing you consider alternatives.

03:50:09.700 That's all I'm saying.

03:50:11.340 You know, this is what I think is going to happen.

03:50:13.940 You do that second debate with Andrew.

03:50:15.540 Andrew, I think you might become Red Pill.

03:50:19.200 It's not going to happen.

03:50:20.120 I think it could happen.

03:50:21.060 I love my life too much.

03:50:22.220 I just don't know why I would switch.

03:50:23.940 My life is great.

03:50:24.900 I live in Orange County.

03:50:25.900 Your life would be even better.

03:50:27.100 It can't be.

03:50:27.660 It might be better.

03:50:28.400 I live in Orange County.

03:50:29.420 I have two great dogs.

03:50:30.840 I have a wonderful wife.

03:50:32.100 I'm happy with my life.

03:50:33.720 I don't know why I would need anything else.

03:50:36.240 Wait, how old are you, by the way?

03:50:37.300 I turned 41 in August.

03:50:39.640 41.

03:50:40.140 Okay.

03:50:41.040 And you don't want kids.

03:50:43.820 Is that correct?

03:50:44.240 That's correct.

03:50:44.740 And how does your wife feel, if you don't mind me asking?

03:50:47.660 She's 30.

03:50:49.700 She'll be 38.

03:50:50.940 Okay.

03:50:51.500 And did you, like, when you started dating her, did you know going in, like, or maybe

03:50:56.400 both of you had a conversation, you don't want kids?

03:50:58.640 Yeah, we started that early.

03:51:00.300 Yeah.

03:51:00.800 We started that conversation early.

03:51:02.220 But how are you going to build more Blue Pill?

03:51:06.820 You said you're Blue Pill, right?

03:51:08.120 How are you going to have more Blue?

03:51:09.240 You got to, because if, you know, the Christians are out, you know, having more kids.

03:51:15.880 Well, here's what I'll say to that.

03:51:17.360 I don't think necessarily.

03:51:18.780 The dogs can't be Blue Pill.

03:51:20.360 Dogs are Red Pill.

03:51:21.160 Honestly, my dogs are Red Pill, dude.

03:51:22.880 My dogs are Trumpers.

03:51:24.540 It's really upsetting.

03:51:25.740 What breed?

03:51:26.200 I got a Lab Mix and a Hound.

03:51:29.040 Lab Mix.

03:51:29.660 Red Pill.

03:51:30.360 Super Red Pill.

03:51:30.880 They're super MAGA.

03:51:31.620 What's the other one?

03:51:32.580 He's like a Hound Mix.

03:51:34.340 A Hound?

03:51:34.920 Oh, yeah.

03:51:35.460 That's very Red Pill.

03:51:36.500 They're very Red Pill.

03:51:37.360 They told me when I came here I was going to lose to Andrew.

03:51:39.780 Shit.

03:51:40.160 Yeah, dude.

03:51:40.560 That's crazy.

03:51:40.940 It's really fucked up.

03:51:41.340 You speak to dogs.

03:51:42.100 I speak to dogs.

03:51:42.720 I love that.

03:51:43.080 That's part of the Blue Pill.

03:51:44.440 But one of the things that I'll say, oh, wait, you had something serious a second ago.

03:51:48.920 Oh, about having kids.

03:51:50.120 Yeah.

03:51:50.240 I don't necessarily think, and I think a lot of parents would agree that just because you have

03:51:54.240 a kid doesn't mean the kid is going to follow your worldview.

03:51:56.940 A lot of kids are born into religious families and then they end up being atheists.

03:52:00.060 So, I think you can't say, I'm going to make more people because they're going to follow

03:52:03.960 my ideology.

03:52:04.960 I want to take care of the people that exist today and have them consider a different ideology.

03:52:10.320 That's why you can't let them have a smartphone until they're 18.

03:52:15.700 Hey, look.

03:52:17.500 Hey, I didn't have a smartphone until I was 18 and I stopped being Catholic.

03:52:20.200 Yeah, but that's not because smartphones weren't around at the time.

03:52:25.180 And I got to say, look, I got a flip phone when I was in high school.

03:52:29.040 Nice.

03:52:30.200 So, you're rich.

03:52:31.680 Oh, yeah.

03:52:32.540 Just piles of money with my little shitty Samsung or whatever it was.

03:52:37.700 I'm just kidding, man.

03:52:38.620 But, you know, I kind of feel bad for the kids today.

03:52:42.600 Like, at 10 years old, you got access?

03:52:45.540 I agree.

03:52:46.260 Great.

03:52:46.560 Well, you know what, though?

03:52:47.280 I had the internet.

03:52:48.680 I had the internet.

03:52:49.360 But the internet back then wasn't what it is today.

03:52:51.660 In the 2000s, the internet, there was some crazy shit.

03:52:54.600 Yeah, I mean, the thing is, even, like, to get a little more serious, but, like, the people that are finding red pill is because the YouTube algorithm is often recommending it to people.

03:53:02.820 It just kind of, like, happens.

03:53:03.940 They just, like, go on YouTube and all of a sudden, now they're red pilled.

03:53:07.180 Yeah, you know, the thing is, though, is, like, feminism is mainstream.

03:53:12.200 That shit is forced down your fucking throat.

03:53:14.580 And I'll tell you this.

03:53:15.520 I'll tell you this, Raphael.

03:53:17.040 Let me tell you about the feminism, okay?

03:53:19.180 Here's the thing about the feminism.

03:53:20.720 You got the university.

03:53:21.940 You got colleges.

03:53:22.740 Every single university college in this country, let me tell you, every single one has a woman's studies, a feminist studies.

03:53:30.520 Is it like Andrew Dice Clay?

03:53:31.900 What is this?

03:53:32.600 A gender studies program.

03:53:34.120 I'm telling you.

03:53:35.020 It's indoctrination.

03:53:36.620 The feminism mind virus indoctrinated into these women, into these men.

03:53:41.220 Did you take a feminist?

03:53:42.340 You went to college, right?

03:53:43.360 I did.

03:53:43.640 You got a Bachelor's of Arts of Advertising.

03:53:46.060 That's correct.

03:53:46.400 Did you take a feminism class in college?

03:53:48.160 I certainly did not.

03:53:48.440 You took feminism, didn't you?

03:53:49.440 I never did.

03:53:49.900 Tell us the truth.

03:53:50.500 You took feminism class?

03:53:50.980 I never did.

03:53:51.520 I think you did.

03:53:52.220 No.

03:53:52.640 And I don't remember being indoctrinated into anything in college.

03:53:54.980 In fact, I went to college in the panhandle of Florida, which is very fucking red.

03:53:58.500 No, that's based.

03:53:59.240 And I don't remember having any sort of indoctrination.

03:54:00.420 How did you turn out like this?

03:54:01.800 Well, I thought for myself.

03:54:03.360 You're from Florida?

03:54:03.580 As your guy.

03:54:04.140 You're from fucking Florida.

03:54:06.120 And you became a feminist.

03:54:08.000 What the fuck?

03:54:09.140 And it wasn't Florida right now.

03:54:11.100 It was Florida 20 fucking years ago.

03:54:13.460 Yeah.

03:54:13.860 And I'm telling you, like the guy said, I just learned a thing for myself.

03:54:16.740 That's all.

03:54:17.040 Am I being cringe or is it kind of funny?

03:54:18.540 I think it's kind of funny.

03:54:19.280 It's kind of funny.

03:54:19.920 All right.

03:54:20.240 All right.

03:54:20.460 We've got more chats coming through.

03:54:21.980 All right.

03:54:22.500 Anon, thank you very much.

03:54:23.520 Anon donated $69.

03:54:25.760 Thank you.

03:54:26.320 Depressed and angry people search out RP who can be bitter and hateful, Ellie.

03:54:30.880 Long-term, RP is amazing for men.

03:54:33.360 It pushes to get a great vetted partner.

03:54:35.420 Go to the gym, get a job, and get a social life.

03:54:39.040 Hey, Anon, if that's what you're getting out of it, that's great.

03:54:42.400 I mean, I think going to the gym is great.

03:54:44.280 Taking care of your body is great.

03:54:45.660 I think having a great social life is great.

03:54:47.180 I think picking a good partner is great.

03:54:48.860 Josh Brooks donated $69.

03:54:50.260 Oh, God, Josh coming in here.

03:54:51.540 Thank you.

03:54:52.060 So don't think it's a good idea for women to be in combat, but are okay with them going

03:54:56.060 if they want.

03:54:57.340 What would it look like to you if it was 50-50 women to men boots on ground?

03:55:02.380 Describe that plaza.

03:55:03.800 What would it look like?

03:55:05.960 I mean, it would look like 50-50.

03:55:07.700 I don't know.

03:55:08.160 I don't know what it would look like.

03:55:09.100 I mean, ideally, men would probably be more in the combat roles because, again, I think

03:55:13.800 they're more capable in that scenario.

03:55:16.120 But if some terrible thing happens that women have to go to, well, then I hope they're supportive.

03:55:21.400 That's kind of how I see it.

03:55:24.680 You know, what – so, okay, when it comes to duties, though, so men – we were talking

03:55:30.060 about the draft earlier.

03:55:30.940 And this, you would agree, is a duty that men have that women don't.

03:55:35.140 Which part?

03:55:36.120 A conscription?

03:55:36.880 Yeah, conscription.

03:55:40.780 At most, 10% of men have that duty, yes.

03:55:44.100 Well, all men are subject to the potentiality of the draft.

03:55:51.640 That's correct.

03:55:51.940 I agree with you.

03:55:52.500 Not all men will be drafted.

03:55:53.960 Most men won't be drafted ever.

03:55:57.300 But they do still have to register for the selective service.

03:56:00.080 If they don't, there's certain – it's technically a felony.

03:56:03.940 There's a fine.

03:56:04.780 You can't get certain federal student loans.

03:56:09.020 There's certain federal jobs that you're barred from if you fail to register.

03:56:13.140 And I think there's maybe one or two other things that are evading me right now.

03:56:17.860 But I'm just – I'm curious, though.

03:56:22.720 What – like, what duty do women have to either men or to society?

03:56:30.720 I just don't necessarily prescribe – if I'm legally obligated to a duty, that's different

03:56:36.200 than what I think is just an inherent duty, something that you're just coming to this

03:56:39.780 world without anyone asking if you want to be here and being prescribed duties off the

03:56:44.160 gate.

03:56:44.780 I don't necessarily think – I don't believe that.

03:56:48.240 If there are duties –

03:56:49.380 What do you not believe, though?

03:56:50.480 I don't believe that you inherently have duties just because you're born.

03:56:56.280 But, I mean, so every single male in the United States –

03:56:59.260 Legally.

03:57:00.180 Once they turn 18 have to register for the selective service.

03:57:03.340 And an entailment of that is in the event of some wartime conflict where a draft – where

03:57:08.400 there is a draft, someone could be forced to go and die or serve in the military, that's

03:57:16.780 a duty.

03:57:17.440 Sure.

03:57:18.240 That's an exclusively male duty.

03:57:21.220 What duties do women have?

03:57:22.240 But it's through the legal system.

03:57:23.500 If the legal system changed that, then it wouldn't be a duty anymore.

03:57:26.780 Yeah, sure.

03:57:27.360 I agree.

03:57:27.660 So if we didn't have that anymore, it would no longer be a duty, and I don't necessarily

03:57:31.720 think men have a duty outside of anything legal.

03:57:34.760 If – my personal worldview is that men should help whoever they can because they're capable

03:57:40.180 of it.

03:57:40.580 Whoever is the most capable should help.

03:57:42.200 That's what I feel.

03:57:43.280 No.

03:57:43.580 Like, do men have a duty to protect women?

03:57:45.460 No.

03:57:45.700 If a guy decides he doesn't want to do it –

03:57:47.200 Men don't have a duty to protect women?

03:57:48.300 I don't necessarily think everyone has that duty.

03:57:50.440 Okay.

03:57:50.600 That's fine.

03:57:51.040 I think men who subscribe to my version of masculinity, they would feel that need,

03:57:56.020 but not everybody would.

03:57:56.780 Do you think men should protect women?

03:57:58.900 In an ideal world, yes, but I'm not going to say you must.

03:58:02.840 You know?

03:58:03.140 Like, I don't believe in must.

03:58:05.400 Right.

03:58:05.960 So I think it's the same thing with women because I know a lot of people say, well,

03:58:09.240 if men have to do this thing, then women's duty should be birth because that's what

03:58:13.380 they do, and I just don't think we should see women that way personally.

03:58:18.120 I have a question for you.

03:58:19.400 But when it does come to the draft, and I know it sounds like you would like to abolish

03:58:23.680 the draft.

03:58:24.240 Is that fair?

03:58:24.700 Ideally, yeah.

03:58:25.280 Okay.

03:58:25.560 But given that governments and nations will not relinquish the ability or the right to

03:58:32.560 force its citizenry into a military conflict if the government has deemed it necessary to

03:58:38.460 do so, again, what would women's duty or what should women's duties be under the current

03:58:46.300 system?

03:58:47.380 I don't have one.

03:58:48.460 I don't have any kind of prescription for that.

03:58:50.400 Well, would you say this, for example?

03:58:51.840 So one of the arguments for why women aren't subject to military conscription is in the

03:58:56.960 example of some catastrophic war, you ought to protect the women because they would be

03:59:01.260 able to repopulate the nation.

03:59:05.180 Yeah, I've heard that.

03:59:05.400 They could repopulate the nation because, you know, you could have one man impregnate a

03:59:09.060 hundred women.

03:59:10.100 It doesn't work the other way.

03:59:10.900 Yeah, I've heard that.

03:59:11.460 But do you think, for example, like, let me ask you this, granting that a specific government

03:59:18.720 is not going to get rid of the draft, you would agree that, well, I mean, this might

03:59:26.120 even be your own position.

03:59:27.140 Let's say there's a belligerent nation, and this is hypothetical, so let's talk about the

03:59:32.760 United States.

03:59:33.560 Let's say China decides to invade us.

03:59:37.180 And you know that the doctrine of the Chinese invading force or the government or whatever

03:59:43.860 it is, they're going to, if they successfully invade the United States, they're going to

03:59:49.500 put all the men to the sword and they're going to take all the women as war brides and they're

03:59:55.040 essentially going to essay all the women.

03:59:57.900 And as the U.S. military currently stands in this hypothetical with just the volunteer

04:00:04.560 force, the volunteer force would not be capable of the military intelligence they do have.

04:00:09.620 The military force would not be able to repel or defeat the invading Chinese army military.

04:00:16.700 However, you know with certainty, if you were to draft men, that you would be able to repel

04:00:22.560 the invading Chinese military force.

04:00:25.380 Would you, under this circumstance, force men to fight?

04:00:29.040 Let's say you were the dictator of the United States.

04:00:31.580 I think I would under my worldview, because if I think the right thing to do is to try

04:00:39.280 to protect the innocent, even though innocent men are also involved in this, um, I think

04:00:45.920 it's still the right thing to do and it sucks, but I think that's kind of what I think.

04:00:49.640 Right.

04:00:49.860 And I think perhaps the calculation here is, you know, that by forcing these men to go and

04:00:55.780 fight, you are sending men to go and die and men will go and die.

04:00:59.760 But if you don't, they're going to die anyways.

04:01:03.840 And all the women are going to get graped by the invading Chinese.

04:01:06.720 Right.

04:01:07.140 My question to you now is this though, is that in a similar scenario, let's say we projected,

04:01:15.060 we knew with certainty, I don't know, it's again, hypothetical in 20 years time, we knew

04:01:20.260 that the Chinese were going to invade in 20 years, but we knew our, our population wasn't

04:01:25.120 large enough to fend off this invading force.

04:01:28.420 And the only solution to this would be to have a draft for women to give birth to children

04:01:35.280 immediately so that we would have the necessary and requisite population in 20 years time to

04:01:41.640 fend off this coming invasion.

04:01:43.540 Would you instill a, uh, birth draft?

04:01:46.560 And to be clear, the women could pick their partners and have consensual sex, but the government

04:01:51.000 would essentially say, you must do this.

04:01:53.600 You must have children.

04:01:55.140 Otherwise all the men are going to be put to the sword and you guys will all get great.

04:02:00.340 I would not force it.

04:02:01.920 If that was, if women wanted and couples and husbands and wives wanted to volunteer for

04:02:06.440 that, fine, but I would not make it a mandatory thing.

04:02:09.700 Um, but if you didn't make it a mandatory thing, there wouldn't be enough people that would want

04:02:14.120 to do it.

04:02:14.540 The entailment of it would be if not a women, not enough women gave birth, there wouldn't

04:02:18.940 be a substantial enough, uh, fighting age population in 20 years time.

04:02:23.440 And so in this instance, uh, even if you're forcing or if you don't force the women to give

04:02:29.420 birth, then all the men get put to the sword and all the women get taken as war brides.

04:02:35.820 Um, I don't know.

04:02:36.940 I, I, I have, I have trouble with that.

04:02:39.220 I, it just doesn't sit right.

04:02:40.560 It's very handmaid's tale to me.

04:02:42.040 And that just seems a completely dystopian.

04:02:45.120 Um, so I hypothetical, yeah, I, I don't think I, I don't think that's something I would do

04:02:49.460 if I was the leader of the country, I would either try to find another way, um, but, or

04:02:55.040 try to encourage people to do it on their own without it being forced.

04:02:58.740 Uh, I think those are what would be my first two options.

04:03:01.460 If push came to shove and it was, they're going to die anyway, then maybe there's something,

04:03:05.780 but it's just, I would try to other options first.

04:03:08.440 Do you think, uh, giving birth is a, is a, uh, when you otherwise wouldn't want to is

04:03:14.340 like a bigger grievance than men dying?

04:03:17.960 Um, not necessarily a bigger grievance, but it is an undertaking that takes quite some time

04:03:24.280 and it's beyond just pregnancy.

04:03:25.900 It's also raising the children and feeding the children and doing all that.

04:03:29.800 So it's a longer engagement and men aren't guaranteed to die in the war.

04:03:34.800 Some will.

04:03:35.300 So I think if you're guaranteeing women to be forced to have pregnancies, I think that's

04:03:39.540 different than the potential to die.

04:03:41.700 Sure.

04:03:41.900 We got some chats coming through.

04:03:43.240 We have, give me one sec guys, Jason Cassell.

04:03:46.080 Uh oh.

04:03:47.760 Jason Cassell donated $69.

04:03:50.760 You really are an idiot.

04:03:52.800 Over 8% of men were drafted during Vietnam.

04:03:56.520 Around 33% of men were drafted in the 20th century in the USA.

04:04:01.520 It's not true.

04:04:02.020 You are a thing idiot.

04:04:03.160 It's not true.

04:04:03.960 I'd like to see your numbers.

04:04:06.480 What Jason's saying is not true?

04:04:08.460 Yeah.

04:04:08.700 It's yeah.

04:04:09.400 His numbers are too high.

04:04:10.720 I don't know.

04:04:11.300 I don't know if he, you know what he's looking at?

04:04:12.900 I think he's looking at eligible 33%.

04:04:16.060 Yeah.

04:04:16.240 Yeah.

04:04:16.460 8% and 33%.

04:04:17.860 He's looking at eligible men for the draft instead of just the total male population.

04:04:22.740 Yeah, but I mean like men who are in their 60s wouldn't be drafted.

04:04:26.880 Theoretically, we're all going to get to our 60s.

04:04:28.740 So Jason Cassell, can you clarify?

04:04:30.240 Are you talking?

04:04:30.960 Because like the drafting age, I think is between like 18 and 25, 26, I think.

04:04:36.160 He's looking at eligible.

04:04:37.080 I'm talking about total male population, people who have been drafted.

04:04:40.880 Okay.

04:04:42.020 Let's see here.

04:04:42.780 We have noodles.

04:04:44.340 Thank you, man.

04:04:45.080 Appreciate it.

04:04:45.600 Guys.

04:04:45.960 $69.

04:04:46.500 $69.

04:04:48.900 Looking forward to the upcoming content.

04:04:51.680 Brian, Rafael, why do you advocate for equal opportunity and not actual equality?

04:04:57.560 I think RP is encouraged from this.

04:05:00.400 Keep telling men life is tough though.

04:05:04.560 I don't know if I'm saying men life is tough.

04:05:07.200 I don't remember if I said that.

04:05:08.520 But I don't necessarily – my version of feminism is not forcing outcomes.

04:05:14.200 It's forcing – it's basically giving opportunity.

04:05:18.000 So equality would be forcing outcomes, and I don't believe that's what it is.

04:05:21.620 I think everyone, if they're capable, should have the opportunity to do something.

04:05:25.620 That is my version of it.

04:05:27.680 I don't think forcing equality is what I'm advocating for.

04:05:32.400 All right.

04:05:33.360 Guys, $69.

04:05:34.300 TTS.

04:05:34.680 We have a few more coming in.

04:05:36.280 We have Lucas again.

04:05:38.400 Thank you, Lucas.

04:05:39.200 Appreciate it.

04:05:39.700 Thank you.

04:05:40.100 Thank you.

04:05:40.420 Lucas donated $69.

04:05:42.280 My man, and I use that term loosely, just defined feminism in a nutshell.

04:05:47.760 .opportunity slash rights without reciprocal duties slash obligations.

04:05:52.400 .men are more capable.

04:05:53.640 Therefore, they should be happy to die.

04:05:56.500 I mean, if the only prescription is that women's duties is that they should have children, I mean, I think that's lazy.

04:06:02.000 I just think that's like, well, they should have kids.

04:06:03.680 It's like, no, I don't believe that.

04:06:05.840 Wait, you should – you don't think women should have kids?

04:06:09.020 As a duty.

04:06:10.320 Oh, as a duty.

04:06:11.320 Okay.

04:06:13.580 Although, shouldn't it – perhaps it's not a duty for all women, but, like, would you say maybe the majority of women should have children?

04:06:20.740 I wouldn't – again, I wouldn't say should.

04:06:22.900 I think the people who are deciding to have children today often are people who have made the calculated economic decision to do so, and they are in a better position to be good parents, in my opinion.

04:06:34.000 So, I think we're not necessarily looking for numbers and volume.

04:06:36.980 I think we're looking for good parents and good families.

04:06:40.480 I think that's the ideal, not volume.

04:06:42.500 So, we have Najibid.

04:06:45.620 Thank you for this.

04:06:47.280 Najibid donated $69.

04:06:49.800 Thank you, man.

04:06:50.260 How do you define male privilege, women being oppressed, sexism, or feminism, if you don't believe in our – have definitions for sex or gender?

04:06:59.700 I would say male privilege is mostly because we have – men have mostly been the people in power, so they are less likely to have ever been oppressed.

04:07:08.860 I mean, I know men go through oppression as well, but if you look at it from a perspective of women, they have been far more oppressed than men.

04:07:17.260 Have they?

04:07:18.520 Yes, I would make that case.

04:07:20.040 How so?

04:07:20.680 Because I believe oppression is the systematic denial of rights and resources.

04:07:26.220 So, for example, women couldn't go to college.

04:07:28.240 Women couldn't vote.

04:07:29.340 Women couldn't own land.

04:07:30.420 Women couldn't have bank accounts.

04:07:31.500 That's more oppressive than me because it's systematic.

04:07:33.680 Let's talk about voting for just a sec.

04:07:35.520 What is the period of time, at least in the United States, that almost all or all men had the right to vote and women didn't?

04:07:45.720 I don't remember.

04:07:46.800 I don't know.

04:07:47.320 Yeah, I think it's – I could be off by a couple years, but I believe it's 50 years.

04:07:53.200 That's the period of time between when men, all men or almost all men had the right to vote and all women had the right to vote.

04:07:59.380 Before that, most men, most women, they couldn't vote.

04:08:04.260 Right.

04:08:04.540 You had small groups of concentrated power.

04:08:08.340 You had monarchies, very small people.

04:08:11.340 Voting is really super new.

04:08:14.320 Sure.

04:08:14.700 Past couple hundred years.

04:08:16.040 Yeah.

04:08:16.320 You go back even 200 years.

04:08:17.960 Yeah.

04:08:18.280 Most men couldn't vote.

04:08:19.380 Most women couldn't vote.

04:08:20.500 The way that men got the right to vote is because they had to go to war.

04:08:27.520 Yeah.

04:08:27.980 At a point in time.

04:08:28.880 Yeah.

04:08:29.100 Yeah.

04:08:29.360 You're right.

04:08:29.600 Like if you look at – so women got the right to vote in 1920, right?

04:08:34.240 What happened just before then?

04:08:36.780 World War I.

04:08:37.520 World War I.

04:08:38.640 And so it's interesting conveniently for women, and I suppose feminists, that they got the right to vote right after the – at least at the time.

04:08:50.280 World War II had a higher casualty count, although you could argue that in many ways World War I was much more brutal in many ways.

04:08:58.700 Sure.

04:08:58.880 The trench warfare.

04:08:59.800 Yeah.

04:08:59.960 And the soldiers were on the front for way longer than – they'd be like in perpetuity on the front, whereas like in World War II, they'd shift out.

04:09:10.760 Yeah.

04:09:10.860 It was a bit different.

04:09:11.480 But it was – World War II was also really bad.

04:09:14.180 Yeah, of course.

04:09:14.600 But the most barbaric war that had ever been seen up until that point, most casualties, et cetera, et cetera, women conveniently secured the right to vote right after it because one of the concerns of the suffragettes was, well, if we secure the right to vote as women, we're going to be subject to military conscription.

04:09:35.180 Feminists were able to secure the right to vote without any corresponding responsibility, and that responsibility, duty would be having to go to war.

04:09:43.640 Sure.

04:09:43.740 And so, I mean – and again, men got that because they had to basically be willing to die.

04:09:51.560 Die, yeah.

04:09:52.380 They had to be willing to die.

04:09:53.100 At one point, it wasn't that.

04:09:54.340 At one point, it was also land ownership and things like that.

04:09:57.300 Sure, yeah.

04:09:57.440 There were other differences too, but I mean this idea though that men for like millennia had – like all men.

04:10:07.840 I will actually grant to you that like throughout most of human history, the men, which by the way was a very, very small percentage, like 0.001% of men had power.

04:10:18.580 The rest were like the peasant.

04:10:20.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:10:20.660 The peasantry.

04:10:21.820 There's class oppression too.

04:10:22.780 Right.

04:10:22.940 But so like the top apex of men, yeah, they're the ones who did have power, but like that doesn't speak to the 99.99% of men who were just as oppressed and who had – honestly, I would argue throughout history, at least my big argument here was as it relates to warfare.

04:10:41.000 Women have often been shielded by the barbarity of war.

04:10:45.140 Absolutely, yeah.

04:10:45.820 Women have been shielded from having to participate.

04:10:47.900 Yeah.

04:10:48.120 They're protected typically, at least your own civilization, your own population, your own nation, your own society.

04:10:54.060 Women are protected.

04:10:56.280 Yeah.

04:10:56.780 Are protected.

04:10:57.980 And so –

04:10:59.200 I see what you're saying.

04:11:00.440 I'm not denying that men have been oppressed.

04:11:03.100 There's obviously been oppression of men as well.

04:11:04.840 I think though as time progressed, men got more and more privileges that women didn't.

04:11:10.360 Same with minorities.

04:11:12.200 There was oppression with minorities as well.

04:11:14.800 Slaves had to appeal to white men in order to get free.

04:11:17.700 There's been oppression of different classes, races, and things like that.

04:11:22.640 And men obviously have been oppressed too.

04:11:25.880 But I think as time has progressed, men had more and more agency and women didn't.

04:11:32.300 And I think even if you're talking about voting – let's take voting off the table.

04:11:35.920 Just women being able to own land or women being able to have a certain job, those were taken from them.

04:11:42.260 And that's why I define it as oppression.

04:11:44.340 Now, voting, I think anyone should have the right to vote because it's their country.

04:11:47.320 They have the right to say.

04:11:48.220 I think if you're a disabled man, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to vote because you can't go to war.

04:11:52.100 So I think, you know, in terms of denying resources and rights, women, minorities have had it worse than, let's say, white men in general.

04:12:03.560 I mean it's perhaps on that specific front.

04:12:06.600 You said denial of resources and rights.

04:12:10.580 Systematic denial of resources and rights.

04:12:13.320 A systematic denial of resources and rights.

04:12:16.560 Okay, so here's – and the examples you provided were what?

04:12:21.440 Like land ownership?

04:12:22.480 Land ownership, certain jobs, going to school.

04:12:26.440 Tell me, what year do you think women were allowed to own property and land?

04:12:31.540 They weren't allowed to have, you know, debt and bank accounts and things like that for a long time.

04:12:37.200 So they weren't earning land until – I mean, as far as I'm aware, they weren't earning land for quite some time.

04:12:42.160 Women have always been able to own land.

04:12:45.120 Okay, maybe that's a bad example.

04:12:46.260 My understanding of it is that when women were married, any property that she had became her – essentially her husband's.

04:12:55.180 That's my understanding of it.

04:12:56.220 Oh, interesting.

04:12:56.840 And if the marital couple, they owned land, it was like in his name.

04:13:02.360 It got women to ensure.

04:13:03.080 But women in the 1800s in the United States, 1900s, they could own land.

04:13:08.260 Maybe that's a bad example.

04:13:09.200 Maybe I'm wrong about that.

04:13:10.580 For example, a father in his will could bequeath to say he only had daughters if it was actually true that women could not own property or own land.

04:13:23.220 In the event that a father of only daughters, and he has, say, three or even one remaining heir, one daughter, two daughters, three daughters, where would the property go to?

04:13:39.200 Probably the daughters.

04:13:40.480 So they could own property and they could own –

04:13:43.220 Theoretically.

04:13:43.940 But I'm saying if a woman wanted to –

04:13:45.940 It's not just theoretically.

04:13:46.980 Well, hear me out.

04:13:47.480 In practice, women owned land.

04:13:50.240 Okay.

04:13:50.460 They could buy land.

04:13:51.560 Okay.

04:13:51.860 Like I said, this might be a bad example, but that doesn't mean women could have their own resources to purchase land.

04:13:58.660 Maybe they inherited it or maybe it came through something else.

04:14:01.140 But women weren't able to work in high-paying jobs for a lot – high-paying jobs in this country for quite some time.

04:14:08.240 Like I said, they couldn't practice medicine or finance or law 55 years ago.

04:14:14.000 55 – hold on.

04:14:15.680 It's in the 1970s.

04:14:16.960 Hold on.

04:14:17.500 You're saying there were no female lawyers prior to the 1970s.

04:14:21.100 That's correct.

04:14:22.460 I'm going to have to – I need to fact check this.

04:14:24.660 When – just to be clear, there were no female lawyers.

04:14:29.260 Women could not practice law until around the 1970s.

04:14:32.460 When could women practice law?

04:14:38.080 And this was – hold on.

04:14:42.340 So I'm – and you can correct me if I'm wrong.

04:14:45.440 So the first formal admission of a woman to the bar was in 1869 with Arabella Mansfield's admission in Iowa.

04:14:55.000 By 1879, federal law allowed qualified women to practice in any federal court.

04:15:02.120 And Belva Lockwood became the first woman admitted to the bar of the Supreme Court.

04:15:07.580 You're like a century off.

04:15:10.200 1870 – 1869, 1879.

04:15:12.440 I'm telling you – you're a century off.

04:15:13.820 I'm telling you in large – I'm telling you in large practice women couldn't practice law or medicine until 1970.

04:15:16.820 Until 1970.

04:15:17.700 That's correct.

04:15:18.580 Where's the evidence for this?

04:15:20.180 I looked it up, man.

04:15:20.820 This claim is completely dubious.

04:15:22.120 I looked it up, dude.

04:15:23.480 So you're saying by law they were –

04:15:25.640 Correct.

04:15:26.880 Precluded, excuse me.

04:15:28.180 Same way women were precluded from going to school.

04:15:30.160 Same way –

04:15:30.460 Women could go to school in the 1800s.

04:15:32.400 To college?

04:15:33.160 Yes.

04:15:33.420 Okay.

04:15:34.040 I believe there are perhaps some private schools that didn't allow them in.

04:15:38.820 I think that's – I'm not denying that there weren't specific schools that barred women from entry.

04:15:43.980 But my understanding is starting in the 1800s, women had access to higher education.

04:15:50.480 Let's say I'm wrong about all those things.

04:15:52.360 Let's say.

04:15:52.900 Could women –

04:15:53.340 Let's say.

04:15:54.040 Could women have their own bank account?

04:15:56.180 Could women have their own bank account?

04:15:58.300 You tell me.

04:15:59.260 They couldn't.

04:16:00.620 Is this factually true?

04:16:01.800 It's factually.

04:16:02.500 I mean, look.

04:16:03.060 Is it factually true?

04:16:03.240 I want to look at what you're looking at.

04:16:04.600 Maybe my data was wrong.

04:16:05.960 I doubt it.

04:16:06.660 But I definitely would be curious.

04:16:08.660 But do we have any more chats?

04:16:12.280 Yeah.

04:16:12.480 There are some more chats.

04:16:13.560 Hold on.

04:16:14.440 I just had one thing on the bank thing.

04:16:18.260 My understanding here, though, with this women couldn't have bank accounts.

04:16:24.240 And I'd like to research it because, look, I honestly – it's not a specific category of historical feminism that I'm aware of.

04:16:32.260 What I've heard, though, is many banks, they required married women to have a husband co-signing.

04:16:39.280 Or a brother.

04:16:39.980 Mostly.

04:16:40.540 But that was due to them being a unit.

04:16:43.080 It was due to them not being able to secure credit, I'm pretty sure.

04:16:47.880 Yeah, but I – something about credit.

04:16:54.180 Hold on.

04:16:55.080 Something about banks.

04:16:56.040 Anyways, here, let me get through the chats just because we got to try to get this wrapped up soon.

04:16:59.700 But we will get these chats read.

04:17:01.300 Guys, $69 TTS if you want to get – you know what?

04:17:04.220 Maybe we've got to do a little more roast session.

04:17:06.520 Hold on.

04:17:06.720 We've got Daniel here.

04:17:08.120 Thank you, Daniel.

04:17:08.700 Appreciate it.

04:17:10.120 Daniel underscore Mace donated $69.

04:17:13.880 It's funny.

04:17:15.040 You say you care about men's mental health.

04:17:17.880 Then say let's go extinct in pursuit of women's jobs and autonomy.

04:17:22.200 Doesn't sound like you care.

04:17:24.420 Love logic, though.

04:17:26.180 Right?

04:17:27.560 I don't think women pursuing jobs means men's mental health has to be sacrificed in that process.

04:17:34.160 I said an extreme thing that I think if people don't have autonomy, I don't see a point in living.

04:17:39.600 So that's – I mean, I'm not going to live in an oppressed way if I don't have to.

04:17:45.380 So I don't know.

04:17:46.520 That's how I feel.

04:17:47.500 I think – didn't you say earlier that when it came to like free will and agency, you wouldn't sacrifice that to save the human species?

04:17:58.040 Correct.

04:17:58.840 Question for you.

04:17:59.880 What if you had to force one woman?

04:18:02.980 Oh, Jesus.

04:18:03.560 Hold on.

04:18:03.720 It's not going to be bad.

04:18:05.600 She couldn't have a career.

04:18:07.860 You had to force her.

04:18:08.720 You're like, no, lady.

04:18:10.240 One lady?

04:18:10.900 One lady.

04:18:12.140 You can't have a career.

04:18:14.040 And if you put a restriction on her free will, but it saves the entire human species, do you do it?

04:18:24.000 I'd be open to it, but –

04:18:25.400 She – open to it?

04:18:26.600 I'd be open to it.

04:18:27.620 Hold on.

04:18:28.280 You'd be open to it?

04:18:29.080 I'd be open to it.

04:18:30.260 I'd have to sleep on it.

04:18:31.380 I'd have to sleep on it.

04:18:31.760 You'd have to sleep on it.

04:18:32.520 I would sleep on it.

04:18:33.420 She can't be a boss, babe.

04:18:35.560 Hold on.

04:18:36.120 She can't be an HR rep lady.

04:18:38.880 Hold on.

04:18:39.160 Why can't she just be a boss, Brian?

04:18:42.280 A boss?

04:18:42.760 Yeah.

04:18:43.060 Why can't – women are 43% of the entrepreneurs in this country.

04:18:45.480 They can just be bosses.

04:18:46.640 They don't have to be a boss, babe.

04:18:47.820 They can just be bosses.

04:18:48.940 Oh, okay.

04:18:49.480 Where are we – is this like a criticism of the term boss, babe?

04:18:52.580 No.

04:18:52.640 A little bit.

04:18:53.120 A little bit.

04:18:54.720 Women use this term themselves.

04:18:55.760 They do.

04:18:56.300 They do.

04:18:56.840 I'm not saying they don't.

04:18:58.600 I'm not saying they don't.

04:18:59.820 I'm not saying they don't.

04:19:00.580 It's just – sometimes I just think about it.

04:19:02.300 That's all.

04:19:02.900 You're right.

04:19:04.860 Okay.

04:19:05.540 So, but you –

04:19:06.220 Oh, I – you know –

04:19:07.000 Would you do it?

04:19:07.940 I'd have to have a long conversation with her.

04:19:10.380 Why would you have to –

04:19:11.520 Because I'm restricting this woman's agency.

04:19:13.980 I'd have to see, like –

04:19:14.640 You have 10 seconds to make the choice.

04:19:16.760 It's like the trolley dilemma.

04:19:19.800 So, okay.

04:19:20.740 I hate the trolley dilemma.

04:19:21.680 Yeah.

04:19:22.240 So, save all of humanity.

04:19:24.740 Save all of humanity.

04:19:25.920 Or – but if you don't –

04:19:28.380 I would choose humanity.

04:19:29.580 Okay.

04:19:29.900 All right.

04:19:31.020 Ridiculous question.

04:19:32.120 Ridiculous question.

04:19:33.040 Thank you, Josh Brooks.

04:19:33.740 Josh Brooks donated $69.

04:19:36.080 Appreciate it, brother.

04:19:36.880 Lol.

04:19:37.720 Boots on the ground is not a support role.

04:19:40.320 See, you just reverted back to saying they should just be in support roles.

04:19:44.980 What is your stance?

04:19:46.780 I'm confused.

04:19:48.280 I don't know.

04:19:49.140 I don't think I changed my stance.

04:19:50.100 My stance is if I believe men should be the ones doing most of the combat.

04:19:55.500 If women want to volunteer in support roles, they can.

04:19:57.540 But if we're talking about a forced draft of women, which I don't advocate for, if we do a forced draft of women, I don't advocate for them being in combat roles.

04:20:06.500 I advocate for them being in support roles.

04:20:08.720 That's my position.

04:20:09.600 Straight to the front line.

04:20:11.000 They don't even get training.

04:20:12.120 You just – here's a gun.

04:20:14.900 Just send them.

04:20:15.940 Lucas donated $69.

04:20:18.260 Thank you, Lucas.

04:20:18.860 Appreciate it, brother.

04:20:19.180 One slash let me steal when your position dot men have duties slash obligations.

04:20:23.820 BC, they should just do the right thing.

04:20:26.200 But women shouldn't have any duties to society whatsoever.

04:20:30.440 In other words, a definition of feminism.

04:20:32.840 I mean, I think when people are talking about women's duties, what are they actually talking about?

04:20:39.740 Besides going to war, which I think most of us agree that that's not what we're trying to do, the only other option that I hear as like a duty for women is forcing them to have – or they should have a duty to have children, and I don't believe in that.

04:20:52.020 So unless you can come up with another duty that you think women should do, I'm open to it.

04:20:56.320 But that's the only one I hear.

04:20:58.880 All right.

04:20:59.420 Guys, reminder, $69 TTS if you want to get a roast in, guys.

04:21:03.200 Want to get a roast in.

04:21:04.600 Lucas.

04:21:05.180 Lucas donated $69 is a female supremacy movement.

04:21:09.820 Double salute.

04:21:10.220 Wow.

04:21:11.040 A woman has got you joyful trained real good.

04:21:14.120 Oh, it changed it.

04:21:15.320 It said biatch.

04:21:16.600 Biatch.

04:21:17.280 Yeah, it changed it.

04:21:17.600 What got changed?

04:21:19.420 Wow, your woman has got trained.

04:21:22.760 Female supremacy movement.

04:21:24.340 Is he saying feminism is a female supremacy movement?

04:21:26.220 Who's the breadwinner in your –

04:21:28.420 We've actually switched back and forth, but right now it's her.

04:21:31.000 Okay.

04:21:31.500 Yeah, but there were lots of times where I was.

04:21:34.100 Oh, sorry.

04:21:34.780 I didn't mean to cut you off there as you were answering Lucas.

04:21:36.720 I didn't understand his question, honestly.

04:21:38.900 No, I don't think feminism is a female supremacy.

04:21:41.200 Yeah, he said, in other words, your definition of feminism is a female supremacy movement.

04:21:46.580 I don't see it as supremacy in any way.

04:21:48.460 It's equal opportunity.

04:21:49.720 That's not supremacy.

04:21:51.440 We have some super chats we're going to read.

04:21:53.240 If you want $69 TTS, the state of things, get another example of a feminist coming in

04:21:57.660 and saying their observations of truth and women nature is bad and should be ignored because

04:22:01.800 it hurts women.

04:22:02.700 Oh, and ignore that it's bad for men and it sucks to suck, but suck it up, Sim.

04:22:06.080 I'm not sure what I'm saying is bad, feminists.

04:22:12.480 Truth and women in nature is bad.

04:22:14.220 I don't know because it hurts.

04:22:15.840 I don't know.

04:22:16.280 I don't really know what to make of that.

04:22:19.440 Oh, what the fuck?

04:22:20.360 Sorry.

04:22:20.760 I don't know what – sorry.

04:22:22.100 I don't know what the fuck that was.

04:22:23.460 It was Andrew Tate.

04:22:24.080 Did we – did I pull this one?

04:22:25.340 I just pulled this one up, right?

04:22:26.640 Yes.

04:22:27.100 Yeah.

04:22:27.500 All right.

04:22:28.060 Guys, $69 TTS.

04:22:29.400 We have a few more coming through here.

04:22:31.220 You know what?

04:22:31.720 We're going to – here's what we're going to do.

04:22:32.880 We're going to do a $30 roast.

04:22:35.040 We're going to lower it to $30.

04:22:36.080 Then we're going to wrap the show.

04:22:37.240 We're going to do a $29.99 roast if you guys want to get it in.

04:22:41.720 We'll do an actual roast session.

04:22:44.100 You can roast me, guys.

04:22:45.240 You can roast me.

04:22:45.940 You can roast the ghost of Andrew.

04:22:49.000 Yep, he's still there.

04:22:50.520 The ghost of Andrew passed or something.

04:22:52.840 Let me get that changed up.

04:22:55.140 Do you have any final thoughts?

04:22:57.820 Or actually, wait, no.

04:22:58.520 We already did closing statement.

04:22:59.640 Now we're just –

04:23:00.060 I'll repeat it to anybody who wants to hear it, though.

04:23:02.540 So are you down, though, to come back and do a round two with Andrew?

04:23:04.780 Absolutely.

04:23:05.940 Absolutely.

04:23:06.540 A thousand percent.

04:23:07.600 Jim Bob said he wanted to bait me, too.

04:23:09.260 Really?

04:23:09.700 Yeah.

04:23:10.220 Because I was DMing him.

04:23:11.980 Okay.

04:23:12.380 And we had an interesting conversation.

04:23:13.580 So I'd love to talk to Jim Bob, too, because I think he's got some interesting points.

04:23:16.240 Well, you're nearby.

04:23:17.080 You're in SoCal.

04:23:17.820 Yeah, man.

04:23:18.160 We definitely do.

04:23:18.720 We've got Michael G.

04:23:20.260 Men are more capable of war, so we have a draft.

04:23:23.100 But if birth rates get too low, women are only capable of having kids.

04:23:27.060 Should we force them to do so?

04:23:29.340 Both result in a fallen nation.

04:23:33.680 Michael G., thank you so much, man, for that super challenge.

04:23:35.980 It's a fair dilemma.

04:23:36.880 I don't believe we should force anyone, but I definitely don't think we should force women to have children.

04:23:41.780 All right.

04:23:42.240 There it is.

04:23:42.740 Guys, we're doing a $30 TTS to wrap up the show, so get it in.

04:23:47.440 If you want to roast Raphael, it's Raphael.

04:23:50.980 Bring it.

04:23:51.440 Yes, it is.

04:23:51.920 Just want to make sure I fuck that up.

04:23:54.120 If you want to get a little roast in, we're doing that.

04:23:56.720 Hold on.

04:23:57.140 Let me get that all set up here super quick.

04:24:01.540 Raphael, what do you think about just abolishing feminist studies programs in universities?

04:24:12.040 Do you think that would be good?

04:24:14.460 Are you on board?

04:24:16.000 Not necessarily.

04:24:17.020 I mean, I personally believe if people want to study whatever they want in college, they can.

04:24:22.700 I don't, yeah.

04:24:23.600 I mean, I don't think it's going to lead to a hiring career.

04:24:27.460 But if people want to learn about the subject, I think that's okay.

04:24:31.280 Oh, okay.

04:24:32.040 Yeah.

04:24:32.340 There you go.

04:24:34.140 But, you know, maybe we should just abolish it.

04:24:36.120 What do you think?

04:24:37.000 No.

04:24:37.840 Just get rid of, oh, my God, I screwed this up already.

04:24:40.640 Hold on.

04:24:41.720 I can't type, guys.

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04:24:43.500 There it is.

04:24:44.220 Oh, shit.

04:24:45.860 Dang it, guys.

04:24:46.800 Get a roast in so I can take a break real quick.

04:24:51.220 All right.

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04:25:00.320 Okay, but that's my point on your stance.

04:25:03.340 You say you would be fine if they wanted to be on the front lines.

04:25:06.480 But now you say they should be in support roles.

04:25:10.140 Don't be wishy-washy.

04:25:11.840 Pick one lane.

04:25:13.420 Do you want to pick a lane?

04:25:16.480 What I'm saying is that if women volunteer to be on the front lines, go for it.

04:25:23.260 But if we're conscripting women, I don't think we should force them to be on the front lines.

04:25:29.320 Conscripting women shouldn't force them.

04:25:32.540 You know, look, I think they should make it like maybe HBO could host a pay-per-view for the war between women.

04:25:42.760 You know?

04:25:44.080 Women versus women.

04:25:45.060 And it's televised for pay-per-view.

04:25:48.960 Hmm.

04:25:49.400 Yeah.

04:25:50.400 We would raise a lot of money.

04:25:51.640 The GDP would go up just on that.

04:25:54.500 I'm surprised the United States government hasn't done like peak capitalism.

04:25:59.900 Like, okay, we're going to do war pay-per-view.

04:26:02.860 I mean.

04:26:03.340 That shit would be insane.

04:26:04.540 We'll be out of debt in no time.

04:26:06.140 That would be crazy, son.

04:26:07.720 Okay, let's see.

04:26:08.700 What do we have?

04:26:09.520 What do we got?

04:26:09.940 We got some super chats.

04:26:12.020 Guys, it's been lowered.

04:26:12.800 $30 TTS.

04:26:13.800 Get a roast in if you want.

04:26:15.540 Christopher, if the goal is equal opportunity and women have the opportunity to opt out of motherhood via abortion,

04:26:21.300 why shouldn't men have the opportunity to opt out of fatherhood via surrendering paternal rights, not paying child support?

04:26:28.320 Okay, so here's my position on this.

04:26:30.300 I think if the woman and the man agree that he can, you know, forego his paternal rights and, you know, payment, the child support payments,

04:26:41.600 which, by the way, I want everybody to know their only average child support payment is $440.

04:26:46.420 So let's just pump the brakes here.

04:26:48.240 But if the man wants to, and the woman agrees, totally cool with that.

04:26:53.720 But it's not equal opportunity because men do not have the opportunity to be pregnant.

04:26:58.200 So it's not equal opportunity, and it can't be, unfortunately, in that situation.

04:27:01.700 But you said, wait, hold on.

04:27:06.380 You said, if the woman agrees.

04:27:08.880 Yeah.

04:27:09.000 So what if the man, because, like, what if the man's like, eh, it was a one-night stand.

04:27:14.960 I wasn't intending to be a father.

04:27:16.780 We were just hooking up.

04:27:18.960 She's like, eh, I'm going to keep the kid.

04:27:21.560 Which you would agree is her right to do, right?

04:27:23.380 I agree it's her right.

04:27:24.940 And I think if a man, I mean, if you guys are also, you know, against promiscuity, I mean, men should know the risk of potentially impregnating somebody.

04:27:34.600 And I believe that a man should take care of a kid if he has one.

04:27:38.120 Now, if they agree that, hey, I don't need you to be in his life or her life, it's totally fine.

04:27:43.100 Let's sign a contract.

04:27:44.500 You don't need to make child support payments.

04:27:46.480 Hey, that's between them.

04:27:47.840 But I think if a man just opts out on his own, I don't agree with that.

04:27:53.080 But you are pro-choice, right?

04:27:55.620 I am.

04:27:56.780 And just curious, do you have a cutoff for?

04:28:02.400 I mean, kind of.

04:28:03.720 Okay, so it's tough.

04:28:05.460 But something I've been mulling about, I haven't given it that much thought.

04:28:09.820 But, for example, if someone has a miscarriage, a death certificate is not issued, right?

04:28:18.860 I'm not sure.

04:28:20.560 I believe a death certificate for a miscarriage is not issued until about 20 weeks.

04:28:27.500 If a miscarriage happens after 20 weeks, I think in the state of California, a death certificate is issued.

04:28:33.020 Well, what's your cutoff for abortion?

04:28:34.560 Probably 20 weeks.

04:28:35.780 Okay, so you wouldn't be in favor of, like, third trimester abortions.

04:28:38.700 No, no.

04:28:38.800 But the vast majority aren't done that late.

04:28:40.840 Sure.

04:28:42.440 I guess, though, when it comes to the men having the right to escape child support for a child that they didn't want,

04:28:49.360 like, what would you, if there was a man sitting across from you, sitting right there, and he was like, Raphael, look, man, I'm 21 years old.

04:29:02.380 I've been hooking up with this girl.

04:29:05.840 I thought she was on birth control.

04:29:07.800 She got pregnant.

04:29:09.240 I'm not financially ready to have the kid.

04:29:11.700 I just don't want to be a father.

04:29:13.660 I'm not ready.

04:29:14.760 Whatever it is.

04:29:15.540 What would you tell him?

04:29:16.220 I would tell him, do you think the woman is also in that position?

04:29:19.620 Because if she is, you should help out.

04:29:22.220 What do you mean?

04:29:23.020 If she's also not financially ready to take care of a child.

04:29:26.100 Yeah, but what would you say to him in the sense of the reasons he's given you for why he doesn't want?

04:29:33.380 I would say, yeah, that sucks.

04:29:35.740 But if she's going to have the child, and she's also not financially capable or ready in her life to do it,

04:29:41.240 but she doesn't believe in abortion and she wants to have the child, then he should take care of it.

04:29:46.740 And so now I want to switch it.

04:29:49.320 Okay.

04:29:49.660 You have a woman sitting there, and she says the exact same thing.

04:29:53.340 She says, look, you know, my birth control failed.

04:29:57.220 I don't want to have a kid.

04:29:59.060 I'm not financially ready.

04:30:00.700 I don't want to be a mother.

04:30:01.800 I'm not ready to raise a kid.

04:30:05.060 What would you say to her?

04:30:06.720 If it's before 20 weeks, to be consistent, I would say, I don't think you should have the child because I don't think, I don't agree.

04:30:13.620 My goal is children raise in great homes.

04:30:16.780 And if you are not ready to raise a child and that child could have a bad life,

04:30:20.800 I don't believe in just breeding for the sake of breeding.

04:30:24.480 So if that child is not going to have a good life due to the circumstances, I don't think it's, I think she should be able to get a termination of pregnancy.

04:30:32.140 And the guy who you were giving advice to, would you maybe have, you might say to him, for example, you should have thought of that before you had sex.

04:30:42.780 For sure.

04:30:43.100 I would say that's a bad, that's a bad on her to, like, yeah, there are consequences for having sex and pregnancy.

04:30:48.320 Would you say that to the woman?

04:30:49.000 Probably.

04:30:49.620 Yeah.

04:30:49.900 Okay.

04:30:50.680 But she can always escape, escape her situation through an abortion.

04:30:54.260 Sure.

04:30:55.060 Because she's the one that has to go through the pregnancy.

04:30:57.780 Right.

04:30:58.180 But don't you think, for the sake of equality, men should be granted, in instances and cases in states where women do have abortion rights, men should have a corresponding right, it's often called by men's rights activists, as legal paternal surrender.

04:31:13.300 Sure, sure.

04:31:13.960 The more, the other term is paper abortion, they typically don't like that term, but legal paternal surrender.

04:31:19.740 Essentially, as a man, you could say, hey, I didn't want to have the kid, I don't want to be financially responsible for 18 years, I don't want, I relinquish any paternal rights, parental rights that I have, but I don't want to be financially responsible for the kid.

04:31:35.260 It seems to me, if you're saying to the woman, well, you have this exit of, and you didn't like this, the way Andrew categorized this, he considers it murder.

04:31:45.940 Sure.

04:31:46.080 Right.

04:31:46.620 You don't like that categorization.

04:31:48.000 If the woman can murder the child, the unborn child, what would actually be wrong with then men wanting to just not have to be financially tied to the child once it's born?

04:32:02.540 Well, I want to clarify that I'm not necessarily saying equality, I'm saying equal opportunity, and men do not have the opportunity to be pregnant.

04:32:09.740 So I think women have that, that's the sole thing they have the opportunity to do, so if they make the decision to keep the child, that is a risk men take if they impregnate somebody.

04:32:17.640 And I think, again, from my worldview of masculinity, doing the right thing would be taking care of that child.

04:32:23.600 So if, you know.

04:32:26.760 What's abortion then?

04:32:28.200 What do you mean?

04:32:29.080 Well, just one point of clarification.

04:32:31.820 When you say you're against third trimester abortion, do you say, like, for your own, like, in terms of your own view, but, like, let's say a woman, she wanted a third trimester abortion, would you, like, by law, do you think those should be precluded?

04:32:47.700 Um, I don't know.

04:32:51.320 That's tough.

04:32:52.240 It's tough.

04:32:52.880 I don't, I wouldn't support it myself.

04:32:55.480 Like, hey, if I, if I, if somebody was pregnant and they were 20 weeks past, I wouldn't say you should get an abortion.

04:33:01.280 But you would be open.

04:33:01.900 And let's say there are, there's a cohort of women out there who, if they were pregnant and if they were in the third trimester and if they wanted to get an abortion, you would not have any guardrails or laws or anything like that preventing them from getting the abortion, say, at nine months.

04:33:22.300 I would need to understand, I think, the medical aspect of that a bit more, because I know most abortions that take place early are done through pills and there's very, it's, it's quite simple of a process.

04:33:32.500 If it's that late, I think it enters kind of a territory I'm uncomfortable with.

04:33:36.920 So I'd have to, I'd have to understand that a bit more.

04:33:39.320 Yeah, no, you're, you are right.

04:33:40.360 Like when it's really early on in the, the pregnancy, they can take a pill.

04:33:44.800 Which are the vast majority of abortions.

04:33:46.180 Yeah, and, but I, my understanding is once it gets a little further on in the pregnancy, the, I don't know the exact procedure.

04:33:55.300 I think they, there, there can still be pills or something that they take, but they still, then they have to remove the fetus.

04:34:03.360 And there's like, maybe I heard, again, I'm not an expert.

04:34:06.640 This is not an expert field for me, but they vacuum it out or something like that.

04:34:10.900 I've heard that too.

04:34:11.620 I have no idea.

04:34:12.580 I don't know.

04:34:13.320 It could be fear-mongering, but again, I know that the vast majority aren't done that way.

04:34:18.280 Sure.

04:34:18.920 But yeah, and it's hypothetical, you know, it is tough.

04:34:21.640 I, I definitely think if you're at 20 weeks and you haven't made a decision or you change your mind, I mean, that's a bad, that's a bad place to be.

04:34:28.440 It shouldn't be that way.

04:34:29.300 All right, we got, we're going to let the chats come through.

04:34:31.000 We got Noodle Zoodle.

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04:34:34.160 Thank you, man.

04:34:34.660 Appreciate it.

04:34:35.060 I need an explanation as to how equal opportunity is not a fancy way of saying female privilege.

04:34:40.580 Giving benefits without the consequences or responsibilities is the problem.

04:34:45.420 But I also said that I don't believe men have inherent duties beyond my own view of what masculinity is.

04:34:53.280 I don't believe men, I don't believe you're born into this world and you're automatically given a duty.

04:34:57.740 Um, so I, I, it's consistent in my view with women.

04:35:01.600 I don't consider that privilege at all.

04:35:03.500 If a man doesn't want to do the right thing and be a piece of garbage, well, men do that every day.

04:35:09.380 They're able to do that without any sense of duty.

04:35:12.000 I feel the same way about women.

04:35:13.240 If they don't want to, you know, I don't think they're inherently given a duty at birth that they must adhere to.

04:35:19.160 Beyond, obviously, obeying the laws, which there's consequences for if you don't.

04:35:23.540 All right, I'm going to just let these chats come through.

04:35:25.980 There's quite a few.

04:35:26.860 We got Nick.

04:35:27.280 Nick Brone donated $30.

04:35:28.880 Thank you, appreciate it, man.

04:35:29.780 Brian, you need to take a break.

04:35:32.020 There we go.

04:35:32.460 I've seen better moderating on the leftist TikTok panel.

04:35:35.720 You did good.

04:35:36.120 Raphael, you're a tard who prescribes the same degen behavior as destiny, but with dumber arguments.

04:35:43.100 I don't think I promote degeneracy.

04:35:45.280 I mean, I personally don't have a problem with like high body counts, but that doesn't mean I'm saying you should.

04:35:49.880 If you don't, if you have a preference for not a high body count, you're within your right to do that.

04:35:54.620 Absolutely say this is not what I'm looking for.

04:35:56.880 Everyone has preferences.

04:35:58.120 You should pick people based on your preferences.

04:36:01.180 Wait, I think during the show, Andrew might have asked you this, but I know you're married, but if you were single or when you were single, would you, like, let's say you knew, like the girl told you or something.

04:36:11.680 She has a body count of, he said like a thousand or something.

04:36:16.120 I think he said like five, five figure, 10,000.

04:36:20.100 Sure.

04:36:20.580 Would you, would you hit?

04:36:22.640 Um, as long as I got a STD test back and I cared about the person.

04:36:26.340 Yeah.

04:36:27.240 10, 10,000 bodies.

04:36:28.460 If there's no STD or risk to me, then why not?

04:36:30.800 What about, what about, let's, okay.

04:36:34.420 Cause you could maybe say, okay, the body count.

04:36:37.000 She, yeah, she has, she's fucked 10,000 dudes.

04:36:39.060 Yeah.

04:36:39.300 But it was like five years ago.

04:36:40.500 Yeah.

04:36:40.740 And she's been celibate for a minute.

04:36:42.360 Yeah.

04:36:42.640 Right.

04:36:42.920 But how about this?

04:36:45.040 You're on a date with a girl and she just fucked 10 dudes last night without a rubber.

04:36:51.340 I probably wouldn't feel comfortable with that.

04:36:54.780 Let's say.

04:36:55.160 But she's clean.

04:36:55.860 She's clean.

04:36:56.360 I don't know.

04:36:56.700 If she's clean, then I don't really care.

04:36:58.000 Some futuristic STD test that like, okay, knows right away if she's got some creepy cronies.

04:37:02.480 If I'm single, she's clean and we like each other.

04:37:06.880 What if though?

04:37:08.200 I'm still going to bust.

04:37:09.160 I mean, whatever.

04:37:09.820 Huh?

04:37:10.120 What the fuck?

04:37:10.600 I said it.

04:37:11.800 Plus one of the buttons.

04:37:12.860 What the, here.

04:37:13.980 What the fuck?

04:37:14.900 There it is.

04:37:16.100 Wait.

04:37:16.640 So she just fucked.

04:37:18.700 Yeah.

04:37:18.940 What about like an hour before you guys?

04:37:23.500 I mean, this is, I'm not in like a Bonnie blue situation.

04:37:25.740 Like I'm not going to be one of the guys lined up at the door, but I'm saying, yes, but I'm

04:37:29.300 saying it the night before she did her thing.

04:37:32.660 You know, I'm not in love with the idea, but I'm saying if I'm vibing with somebody, I'm

04:37:36.420 single and like, we're vibing and we're going to have a good time.

04:37:39.260 I wouldn't turn it down.

04:37:40.520 I just wouldn't be like, oh man, I can't do, I'm not going to do this.

04:37:42.520 Do you, um, she, she.

04:37:49.040 There's literally the dudes.

04:37:52.520 Don't say it.

04:37:54.040 Ejaculate.

04:37:54.700 Oh, come on.

04:37:55.600 Inside.

04:37:56.880 Are you going to have sex with her, bro?

04:37:59.000 Probably with a condom, but yeah.

04:38:00.620 Wait, huh?

04:38:01.580 Huh?

04:38:02.780 Huh?

04:38:04.140 Bro.

04:38:04.900 You going to have sex with a woman who has another dude's sperm inside of her?

04:38:10.200 If I'm vibing with somebody, that is not going to be enough to stop me.

04:38:13.120 No.

04:38:13.640 Dude, I don't care.

04:38:14.660 Let me tell you this, bro.

04:38:15.660 I don't care how hot she is.

04:38:18.120 I don't care how much, how great the vibe is.

04:38:20.040 She could be the most based, submissive housewife bowing.

04:38:24.960 You have an issue with the bow, by the way.

04:38:26.940 I don't know why you hate the bow so much.

04:38:28.800 We can talk about it.

04:38:29.480 You know what?

04:38:30.200 We can talk about it.

04:38:30.980 You think your wife is watching?

04:38:34.820 I think she is.

04:38:35.760 She's probably waiting to pick me up at some point.

04:38:37.360 You know, maybe do the bow.

04:38:40.880 See if she, just try it.

04:38:42.000 See if you like it.

04:38:43.060 If she, just have her hit a bow.

04:38:44.660 And you know what?

04:38:46.040 You might be a convert.

04:38:47.480 I might convert you, dude.

04:38:48.720 Sorry.

04:38:48.940 I might convert you.

04:38:50.500 Um, I don't, I don't know.

04:38:52.560 I think I, I just, when it comes to submission, it's just one of those things that just is

04:38:56.920 like a relic of the past.

04:38:58.100 And I think now we're living in a world where women are making, you know, young women are

04:39:03.080 advancing faster than young men right now.

04:39:05.480 Like young women are buying homes more.

04:39:07.800 They're making more money now.

04:39:09.080 Sure.

04:39:09.340 So it's like the idea of like, well, I only want a submissive wife.

04:39:12.040 It's like, I think you're missing out on some great relationship potential.

04:39:17.600 Maybe not.

04:39:18.320 Maybe not.

04:39:18.680 I just think I have met some awesome boss babes and have you ever had, how dare you?

04:39:25.040 You misogynist.

04:39:26.040 Have you ever had a woman do everything you say?

04:39:33.020 I maybe at one point, maybe when I was younger.

04:39:36.700 Yeah.

04:39:37.060 When Florida in Florida, yeah, probably.

04:39:39.900 But just to be clear, I clarification, if you're really vibing with the girl, if she's

04:39:44.540 leaking, ejaculate, you said inside, not leaking.

04:39:47.860 That's a different story.

04:39:49.740 I mean, we're talking about 24 hours.

04:39:51.360 We're talking about 24 hours.

04:39:53.640 We're talking about 24 hours.

04:39:54.880 Sometimes a girl's going to be, look, she's got fucking another dude's splooge.

04:40:01.560 If the condom is on, it's on.

04:40:04.720 That's all I'm saying.

04:40:05.260 If there was actively another man's semen in a woman's vagina, but you had, and it was

04:40:13.120 the best condom ever.

04:40:14.840 It even covered your balls.

04:40:16.780 Sorry.

04:40:17.240 That's getting fucking D-Gen, dude.

04:40:19.420 You would smash?

04:40:21.100 If it was that kind of, if I was that kind of night, yeah.

04:40:26.620 If it was that kind of night.

04:40:28.280 That's fucking disgusting.

04:40:30.340 What do you mean that kind of night?

04:40:31.400 You're liquored up?

04:40:32.020 You got some tequila or what?

04:40:33.220 If it's that kind of night, let the party, let's get going.

04:40:36.220 Look, you're a married man.

04:40:37.960 And it's not an open, right?

04:40:39.200 You guys are monogamous, right?

04:40:40.980 Okay, so this is a hypothetical, you know?

04:40:42.640 I'm just saying, if you ever find yourself single again, you can't be fucking girls who

04:40:48.060 have another man's seat in them.

04:40:49.380 You can't do that, Raphael.

04:40:50.460 You can't do that.

04:40:51.220 That's weird.

04:40:52.120 I don't know, man.

04:40:52.820 If two people are going to have a good time, I can look past it.

04:40:55.980 That's all.

04:40:57.480 I can look past it.

04:40:58.440 I want cobwebs in that pussy.

04:41:00.800 Dude, I can't deal with a girl.

04:41:02.400 If she's fucked a guy.

04:41:03.580 But why, though?

04:41:03.960 Why, Brian?

04:41:05.200 Why?

04:41:05.480 Yeah.

04:41:06.280 Bro, there's got...

04:41:06.980 I can't...

04:41:07.940 The thought, it's...

04:41:09.400 It's just gross.

04:41:11.060 It's just inherently gross.

04:41:12.000 Bro, you can't be having sex with a woman and she's got another dude's seat in her.

04:41:16.340 I'm sorry, Raphael.

04:41:18.960 I'm not saying it's my preference, but I'm saying I wouldn't say no if the vibe was right.

04:41:23.220 Question for you.

04:41:24.560 What if she's like, I don't want you to wear rubber?

04:41:27.680 Absolutely not.

04:41:29.260 And she's on birth control?

04:41:30.480 Absolutely not.

04:41:31.100 And she has her tube style?

04:41:33.420 Absolutely not.

04:41:34.020 When I was single, when I was single, I always wore a condom, period.

04:41:37.860 She can't get pregnant.

04:41:38.720 It's not about pregnancy.

04:41:39.740 And no STDs either.

04:41:41.520 But the man's seat is in the sugar.

04:41:45.300 When I was single, I still wore a condom every time.

04:41:48.500 No, but she can't get pregnant.

04:41:49.640 It doesn't matter.

04:41:50.060 She's got a fucking hysterectomy.

04:41:51.540 She's got a hysterectomy.

04:41:53.660 No STDs.

04:41:55.080 Her pussy's immune to STDs.

04:41:56.480 It just doesn't matter.

04:41:57.120 I pretty much only go raw with long-term partners.

04:42:00.820 That's pretty much how I do it.

04:42:01.840 But no STDs.

04:42:04.580 No STDs.

04:42:05.380 She can't get pregnant.

04:42:06.620 What's the point?

04:42:07.960 I don't know about you.

04:42:11.360 Here, let me...

04:42:12.180 I mean, this woman's obviously hot enough that I'm considering this, so I think the condom's

04:42:14.940 going to be just fine.

04:42:15.480 She's very hot.

04:42:16.100 The condom's going to be fine.

04:42:17.180 But she already has another man's seat in her.

04:42:19.920 But it'll be mission accomplished either way, so it'll be fine.

04:42:22.200 I can't do that.

04:42:23.260 I can't.

04:42:23.580 But you know the crazy thing that you're like, I'd wear rubber.

04:42:27.420 Me personally, if a girl was like, Brian, I'm not ready to have sex yet, but I'll give

04:42:34.620 you a handjob.

04:42:35.420 I'd be like, I'm okay.

04:42:38.520 I don't even want...

04:42:40.240 Like, have you ever had...

04:42:41.640 Like, if that's all that's on the table...

04:42:44.740 Like, have you...

04:42:45.460 You've turned down handjobs.

04:42:47.220 Right?

04:42:48.440 Have you turned down the handjob?

04:42:48.980 Nothing's coming to mind.

04:42:50.160 You've never turned down the handjob?

04:42:51.480 Like, she's like, I guess I could give you a handjob.

04:42:53.320 I'm like, eh, let's just not do anything.

04:42:55.700 Nothing's coming to mind.

04:42:56.860 There might be a time, but I don't...

04:43:00.480 Nothing's jumping out at me.

04:43:02.180 So wait, just to be clear, though.

04:43:03.340 If she has the seed of multiple men inside her, possibly an animal.

04:43:08.960 Let's include an animal.

04:43:10.020 Oh, come on, man.

04:43:11.180 Now we're talking animals?

04:43:13.080 They're like, we're talking bestiality?

04:43:14.560 Girls are freaky, bro.

04:43:15.740 No, they're not bestiality, dude.

04:43:17.040 Bro, you should see these fantasies, these women with the dogs?

04:43:20.160 Dude.

04:43:20.640 Bro, who are you bringing on the show, Brian?

04:43:22.300 I'm telling...

04:43:22.940 We've had multiple women say they've made sweet, passionate love to animals.

04:43:26.880 There was a horse girl, right?

04:43:28.040 Or a...

04:43:29.040 Whoa, that's...

04:43:30.300 Wasn't that...

04:43:30.880 That's kind of racist.

04:43:31.800 She was in the trees.

04:43:32.800 She was in the trees.

04:43:33.080 The trees.

04:43:34.380 Sap.

04:43:34.960 Sap.

04:43:35.440 Would you have...

04:43:36.220 Would you be with a woman who has sap inside of her?

04:43:38.820 From a ficus.

04:43:40.260 As long as it can't hurt me and I'm wearing a condom, why not?

04:43:43.140 Or a redwood.

04:43:43.520 It might be a redwood tree.

04:43:44.360 If I'm wearing a condom and no one's going to get hurt, yeah.

04:43:46.780 If I'm attracted to them.

04:43:49.700 He's still going to bust.

04:43:51.980 So just to be clear, one more time.

04:43:53.700 Busting is busted.

04:43:54.420 If a woman just had sex and he was Andrew Tate and his...

04:44:03.540 This is getting kind of like a little sus.

04:44:06.740 Very specific.

04:44:07.120 This is getting really sus.

04:44:08.140 I don't know.

04:44:09.300 And his seed was in her and you were...

04:44:12.420 But she's really hot and you guys are vibing.

04:44:14.600 Are you going to have sex with a woman who has another man's seed in her?

04:44:21.120 If it's Andrew Tate?

04:44:22.160 Does that make you want to do it more?

04:44:25.740 Do you want to do it more?

04:44:26.880 A little bit.

04:44:28.040 I got a one-up Andrew Tate.

04:44:30.560 I'll show that girl how I really put it down.

04:44:33.040 Yeah.

04:44:33.440 Shit.

04:44:34.000 I'll convert her to the blue pill.

04:44:35.240 But okay, we're moving to Andrew Tate thing.

04:44:36.720 You would have sex with a woman.

04:44:39.620 24 hours after...

04:44:41.080 I can't do that, bro.

04:44:42.180 I understand.

04:44:42.940 I ain't.

04:44:43.600 I understand.

04:44:44.080 I'm not there.

04:44:44.920 I understand.

04:44:46.140 That's your preference, which is great.

04:44:47.940 She could be...

04:44:48.940 Like, I'm an average looking guy.

04:44:50.180 I'm not the best looking guy, right?

04:44:51.340 She could be leagues beyond...

04:44:53.340 She could be so fucking hot.

04:44:55.560 Like, it would be...

04:44:57.020 Like, if I got her pregnant, right?

04:44:58.620 It would be a blessing to my future children, right?

04:45:00.780 Because she gets...

04:45:01.740 You know, my children get the good looks.

04:45:03.180 Whatever.

04:45:04.120 She could be so...

04:45:05.180 The hottest woman to ever, ever lived.

04:45:07.740 Fucking smoking.

04:45:09.000 Great personality.

04:45:10.140 Whatever.

04:45:11.820 And if another guy fucked her recently, I don't want it.

04:45:15.440 I can't do it, bro.

04:45:16.600 I can't do it.

04:45:17.440 I get it.

04:45:18.340 But you wouldn't.

04:45:19.200 But...

04:45:19.600 I just feel like you're missing out.

04:45:20.780 That's all.

04:45:21.620 That's all.

04:45:22.180 I can't do it.

04:45:23.220 I understand.

04:45:23.680 You can't bring yourself to do it.

04:45:24.720 I understand.

04:45:25.000 I can't do it.

04:45:25.700 You can do it.

04:45:26.340 But it's like you saying, I can't eat In-N-Out.

04:45:28.500 And I'm like, dude, you should try it.

04:45:29.620 It's really great.

04:45:30.200 It's the same thing.

04:45:30.920 It's like you're missing out.

04:45:31.760 But I can't do it.

04:45:32.440 I understand.

04:45:33.000 That's fine.

04:45:33.560 But I love In-N-Out.

04:45:34.800 So I would recommend you to have In-N-Out.

04:45:36.460 That's all I'm saying.

04:45:37.140 Look.

04:45:38.580 I don't think it's fair to compare In-N-Out...

04:45:40.600 I do.

04:45:41.160 ...to pussy with another man's coming.

04:45:43.320 Have you ever had In-N-Out?

04:45:45.260 It's the same thing.

04:45:45.840 Yeah, all the time.

04:45:46.020 It's the same thing.

04:45:46.660 It's my favorite thing.

04:45:47.920 All right.

04:45:48.180 Let me try to get this rap.

04:45:50.360 It's not your fault.

04:45:51.180 It's my fault.

04:45:51.620 I'm just talking about weird shit.

04:45:53.120 It's fun.

04:45:54.360 Nameless Name 7 donated $30.

04:45:56.820 Thank you.

04:45:57.360 Thank you.

04:45:57.460 What the previous guy said, your worldview is too in the middle, doesn't solve the problem

04:46:03.200 of good versus evil, my guy.

04:46:05.440 Thank you.

04:46:05.940 Appreciate it.

04:46:06.160 I mean, yeah.

04:46:06.760 But I think beyond, you know, I think what some people consider good and evil are different.

04:46:11.300 I mean, Brian and I just had a whole conversation about it.

04:46:14.100 I think people have different ideas of what's good and what's bad.

04:46:17.020 So it's hard for me to say, hey, this is absolutely 100% good.

04:46:21.360 I don't necessarily believe that.

04:46:23.020 I have my worldview and I respect others mostly.

04:46:27.180 What do you think about pegging?

04:46:29.360 If you like it, go for it.

04:46:30.780 Do you...

04:46:31.380 I don't know.

04:46:32.380 No.

04:46:33.000 Okay.

04:46:33.300 I'm not into butt stuff in general.

04:46:35.340 I'm just asking.

04:46:35.520 Either way.

04:46:35.960 Okay.

04:46:36.140 Just checking.

04:46:36.480 Sons of Liberty donated $29.99.

04:46:41.840 These liberals always come down to blaming white males specifically for their problems.

04:46:48.360 He'll always be a victim.

04:46:50.200 Would you be okay and allow your wife to flower some other man that she wanted to?

04:46:55.140 I don't consider myself a victim at all.

04:46:59.380 I don't know where you're getting that from, but I feel like my life's pretty damn good.

04:47:04.400 Brood Forthies donated $30.

04:47:07.480 Andrew couldn't even shake this guy's hand before he left.

04:47:11.600 What a beta.

04:47:12.360 Damn, he called Andrew a beta?

04:47:13.520 That's fucked up.

04:47:14.300 Wait, is he calling you a beta or Andrew?

04:47:15.460 I think he's calling...

04:47:16.280 He's probably calling me a beta, but I'm just being...

04:47:18.040 Well, it seems like it's directed at Andrew.

04:47:20.080 Maybe.

04:47:20.540 I don't know.

04:47:21.100 I don't know.

04:47:21.480 Honestly, if we wrapped the show...

04:47:23.260 Does he normally shake hands?

04:47:24.740 I don't know.

04:47:25.240 But if we wrapped the show and you guys were leaving at the same time, I think he'd shake

04:47:30.820 your hand.

04:47:31.240 But you were over here.

04:47:32.720 He was over there.

04:47:33.300 Yeah, I didn't take it personally at all.

04:47:35.460 Andrew's like...

04:47:36.440 Even the kind of heated nature of this conversation, like after the show, he'll be like, hey, man,

04:47:42.540 it was good talking to you.

04:47:43.380 Because I debated him on the show.

04:47:44.540 It was the same thing.

04:47:45.140 It was heated.

04:47:45.820 It was back and forth.

04:47:46.760 And he was like, man, it was fun.

04:47:48.200 Honestly, it was one of the more heated debates he's had.

04:47:51.580 I thought it was good.

04:47:52.520 I thought it was good.

04:47:52.980 I didn't know.

04:47:54.360 I'm just used to it.

04:47:55.440 Let's run it back.

04:47:56.500 Raphael, your main problem is that you equate duties slash obligations with being oppressed.

04:48:03.740 Also, you would force men to die to save the nation, but you won't force women to have

04:48:08.540 children to do the same.

04:48:09.800 To save the nation.

04:48:10.640 I don't equate duties with oppression.

04:48:13.760 Oppression is systematic denial of rights and resources.

04:48:17.140 Duties are automatic obligations that you just have for existing.

04:48:20.900 And so I don't agree with that.

04:48:22.140 All right.

04:48:22.820 Thank you, Brood.

04:48:23.980 Josh Brooks donated $30.

04:48:25.980 Thank you, Josh.

04:48:26.620 Appreciate it.

04:48:27.100 Bring back the gladiator arenas.

04:48:29.080 Only blue hair and navel piercings against sleeve tattoos and septum piercings.

04:48:34.300 Also, whoever has the most abortions under her belt gets to handle the tiger cage free.

04:48:41.840 All right.

04:48:42.660 Thank you for that, Josh.

04:48:44.340 Really appreciate it.

04:48:45.220 We have Noelle here.

04:48:47.120 Thank you, man.

04:48:47.680 Appreciate it.

04:48:48.340 Noelle E.

04:48:48.780 Remos donated $30.

04:48:50.600 About population collapse, there's no solution that keeps women's rights without marginalizing

04:48:56.600 a population of men.

04:48:58.440 Some suggest rethinking family structures.

04:49:01.580 Why should men sign up for this future?

04:49:04.280 I don't know how men will continue to be marginalized because women have more rights.

04:49:11.880 I'm not sure how that works.

04:49:14.780 Family structures, I do think we need to reconsider because I think a lot of what Red, excuse me,

04:49:20.320 what Red Pill ideology and other ideologies say is like it should be man is the provider,

04:49:25.320 man is the protector, woman is the child bearer, is at home.

04:49:32.800 I think we live in a world where that's different now.

04:49:34.780 I think we live in a world where women are out-earning some men.

04:49:37.160 So it's like maybe we rethink about it.

04:49:39.120 I think, you know, I don't judge stay-at-home dads the way a lot of like Red Pillars would.

04:49:43.600 I think, hey, that works for the family.

04:49:45.200 And I've talked to a lot of women who say my husband is a stay-at-home dad and I love

04:49:49.220 him more than anything.

04:49:50.560 That works for them.

04:49:51.640 So I just, I think we could rethink family structures.

04:49:56.640 Grams donated $30.

04:49:59.380 Thoughts on Republicans part of 2025 trying to ban unicorn?

04:50:04.600 Is that about corn corn?

04:50:06.120 Adult content.

04:50:07.120 Yeah.

04:50:07.280 Um, I get the argument for it, but all in all, if everyone is a party, you know, to say

04:50:16.980 this is what I choose to do, then I, I, I don't want to remove that agency personally.

04:50:22.280 All right.

04:50:23.140 We got S Sibwo.

04:50:27.460 Sibwo, zero donated $30.

04:50:30.060 What is this guy's opinion on the Alina laws being voted on in Mexico right now?

04:50:35.240 It basically makes it legal for women to kill any man simply if they feel threatened or

04:50:40.420 intimidated by him.

04:50:43.160 I haven't looked into that, but that seems pretty wild.

04:50:46.100 I mean, if, if a man is assaying somebody or assaulting somebody, I mean, you got to do

04:50:51.160 what you got to do, but just feeling general threatened, uh, I have to look into it, but

04:50:55.780 that seems a bit overkill.

04:50:58.180 All right.

04:50:58.960 We have silent DJ here for silent donated $30.

04:51:05.240 Check your ex for a video roast.

04:51:07.880 This cup got nuked by Andrew.

04:51:10.220 I don't see any, I don't see any DMS, man, but, uh, I'm not sure if we'll be able to pull

04:51:14.720 it up, unfortunately, but, uh, we got Lucas here.

04:51:18.800 Lucas donated $69.

04:51:20.860 Big Lucas.

04:51:21.500 Thank you.

04:51:21.740 Bro, I just threw up in my mouth.

04:51:24.360 Just venturing a guess here.

04:51:26.260 But am I correct in assuming that there's a worn out chair strategically situated in the

04:51:31.340 corner of your bedroom?

04:51:32.520 Uh, no, you are absolutely incorrect.

04:51:35.540 I believe he's referring to a cuck chair.

04:51:38.800 Yeah, I understand.

04:51:39.500 As they call it.

04:51:40.500 Yeah, I know.

04:51:41.080 It's a very common thing that people say.

04:51:43.040 I don't know what about me makes you think I'm not masculine.

04:51:45.940 I mean, I don't get it just because I have some different beliefs.

04:51:48.780 I'm not masculine.

04:51:49.540 I don't know, man.

04:51:50.400 Let's have a pushup contest.

04:51:51.580 Will that, will that, will that prove something?

04:51:53.280 You know what?

04:51:53.720 Lucas, Lucas, you're a friend of the show.

04:51:56.320 Fly out to the, fly out for the round two, you and Raphael will do a pushup contest.

04:52:03.380 So, if that proves what is masculine to some of these guys, then let's do it.

04:52:07.400 Wait, question.

04:52:08.100 If Lucas wins though.

04:52:09.700 Yeah.

04:52:10.480 What, what are we wagering here?

04:52:11.880 I think we're wagering.

04:52:13.100 I think we're wagering whether or not I'm a beta cuck.

04:52:16.800 I will admit I'm a beta cuck if he beats me in a, in a, in a, in a pushup contest.

04:52:20.600 What if, uh, I was going to wager the whatever channel, but that sounds like a really bad thing.

04:52:29.720 I can't run this thing.

04:52:30.620 I can't run this thing to, to wager.

04:52:33.720 Uh, all right.

04:52:34.600 Thank you.

04:52:35.180 Uh, Lucas.

04:52:35.760 Appreciate it, man.

04:52:36.720 Jason Castle.

04:52:37.440 Okay.

04:52:39.800 It took so long to get back to an on the percent of men in war slash 20th century question.

04:52:45.900 I decided to do the calculations myself and femboy is correct.

04:52:50.160 Hey, Jason.

04:52:51.260 I apologize for calling you a dummy on that question.

04:52:53.400 Jason.

04:52:53.960 It takes a, it takes a lot of courage and I think it's very masculine to admit you were

04:52:57.820 wrong.

04:52:58.180 It's funny that you said I'm a femboy, but you apologize for calling me a dummy.

04:53:02.660 That that's progress, man.

04:53:03.720 That's really cool.

04:53:04.640 Now, if he gets something else wrong, he has to apologize for the femboy.

04:53:08.940 Yeah.

04:53:09.220 And then he'll come up with another name and, uh, yeah.

04:53:12.440 All right.

04:53:12.920 Jason Cassell.

04:53:13.620 Appreciate it, man.

04:53:14.380 Thank you.

04:53:14.700 Thank you.

04:53:14.980 Appreciate it.

04:53:15.840 He also wants to do a pushup competition with you, by the way.

04:53:18.300 This is all the guys that want to do a pushup competition.

04:53:20.400 Say so, NZ donated $30.

04:53:22.600 You don't seem like a bad guy and your arguments after Andrew left have been decent.

04:53:27.720 However, at the start, refusing to define anything and getting angry was poor form and

04:53:32.520 made you look clueless.

04:53:34.200 I agree.

04:53:35.140 But I think even when I was messaging you, I said, I'm not a debater.

04:53:38.820 Like, and Andrew is a debater to the core.

04:53:42.140 Me and Brian are having a good conversation.

04:53:44.300 He has different ideas.

04:53:45.480 I have different ideas.

04:53:46.760 We're getting more done now than when Andrew, since when Andrew left.

04:53:50.540 So that's why it gets frustrating.

04:53:52.420 He's a good debater.

04:53:53.280 He can trap me in things and I'm not as good at him as, and I'll admit that.

04:53:57.300 So.

04:53:58.160 Yeah.

04:53:58.320 You know, the, we are getting a lot done.

04:54:00.920 We were talking about a, a Jackalit.

04:54:04.200 A Jackalit.

04:54:04.880 That's one.

04:54:05.640 That was good.

04:54:06.240 That was a, that was a real good part.

04:54:07.740 Jason Castle donated $30.

04:54:09.520 Progress, guys.

04:54:10.220 Progress.

04:54:10.260 I was doing only men that fought in wars.

04:54:13.040 My bad.

04:54:13.660 That would make sense.

04:54:14.140 I still think you are a degenerate and you lost the debate.

04:54:17.500 Oh my God.

04:54:17.960 I'll still fight you.

04:54:19.280 I'm not even going to, you know, if I lost the debate, I lost the debate.

04:54:22.340 I came here with a specific mission.

04:54:23.740 That's fine.

04:54:24.300 But if you want to spar, man, let's do it.

04:54:27.060 Like, let's meet here.

04:54:28.040 We'll spar.

04:54:28.700 All right.

04:54:29.160 Jason, you know, uh, hey, Jason, you can't back down from a fight.

04:54:33.040 I would, you know.

04:54:34.020 A friendly spar.

04:54:35.660 I, I think though, I should start offering like a, whatever boxing event.

04:54:44.180 Dude.

04:54:44.920 That's it.

04:54:45.860 You know, boxing event where, but just for like equality, would it be okay with you if

04:54:52.180 like the men boxed the women?

04:54:54.860 No, because I think doing the right thing is not hurting someone that equal, equal rights,

04:54:59.960 equal left, equal opportunity.

04:55:01.520 You keep strongmanning my feminism position.

04:55:04.240 That is not my position on feminism.

04:55:06.520 And I, my position on masculinity is doing the right thing, which includes protecting the

04:55:10.500 innocent and not hurting somebody.

04:55:12.160 Do you know Gorlock?

04:55:12.920 So that's a transgender woman.

04:55:15.980 Can I box her?

04:55:16.800 Oh, I thought it was the one that Rachel was arguing.

04:55:19.300 She, no, she was mad at Marge.

04:55:20.700 She was calling her Marge.

04:55:21.040 Can I box Gorlock?

04:55:22.120 Is that fair?

04:55:23.400 It's a, if Gorlock agrees, if Gorlock agrees.

04:55:26.400 You're okay with it.

04:55:27.320 You give the blessing.

04:55:28.460 Okay.

04:55:29.040 Just checking.

04:55:29.840 All right.

04:55:30.040 We've got 30 here.

04:55:31.040 Oh, this is a positive one for you.

04:55:32.560 30 donated $30.

04:55:34.740 Hello, Raph.

04:55:35.500 I am not a feminist.

04:55:37.440 I agree with 90% of the things you have said, especially about red pill ideology.

04:55:42.700 I wanted to show you support in the face of all the hate.

04:55:45.660 Oh, wow.

04:55:46.060 Keep doing the good work.

04:55:47.540 All right.

04:55:47.780 That means a lot to me, 30.

04:55:48.720 Thank you.

04:55:49.520 All right.

04:55:49.820 We've got Josh Brooks here.

04:55:51.740 Thank you, Josh.

04:55:52.420 Appreciate it, brother.

04:55:53.680 Josh Brooks donated $30.

04:55:55.060 You don't want women to be on the front line if it's conscription because of force.

04:56:00.680 You're okay if they choose.

04:56:02.980 You concede women should be in support roles.

04:56:06.320 Women being hurt equals bad.

04:56:08.400 So no choice.

04:56:10.060 I just think, I don't know if something's getting lost in translation, but I think if it

04:56:13.600 comes to conscription, I don't want to force women on the front lines, but if they choose

04:56:17.760 to be on the front lines, go for it.

04:56:19.160 But if we are conscripting women, I would prefer they be in support roles, unless they want

04:56:24.260 to be on the front line.

04:56:25.380 Intel.

04:56:25.740 Intel Wild donated $29.99.

04:56:29.780 This guy is a piece of shit.

04:56:32.020 He might as well start sucking off dudes and color his hair blue already.

04:56:36.300 Only thing good about him is that he's from the OC area.

04:56:39.660 I mean, he's representing OC, so you're not all bad, dude.

04:56:42.260 Intel, are you in the OC?

04:56:43.800 I mean, hey, OC represent.

04:56:46.360 Oh, here we go.

04:56:46.980 Uh-oh.

04:56:47.300 Wait, Jason Cassell with a follow-up here.

04:56:50.920 Damn, Jason.

04:56:53.000 I said fight, not spar.

04:56:54.980 Jason.

04:56:55.300 There is a big difference.

04:56:56.620 He wants to fight you.

04:56:57.700 He doesn't want to.

04:56:58.160 Jason, look, I got too much to lose, man.

04:57:00.480 I'll spar with you, but I'm not getting into a knockdown brawl because, you know, people

04:57:04.980 get hurt, you know?

04:57:06.800 I got too much to lose.

04:57:07.660 We got Lucas here still in the chat.

04:57:09.900 Lucas donated $30.

04:57:12.300 Oh, brother, you want to engage in a bit of playground shit talk.

04:57:16.900 Not to be self-aggrandizing, but I'm six feet four inches, 235 pounds, and still bench

04:57:24.020 over 300 pounds.

04:57:25.540 Wait, damn.

04:57:27.140 Let's get Lucas in the studio.

04:57:28.980 Lucas, let's do it.

04:57:30.280 Even if he's not here, Lucas, just come by the studio.

04:57:33.120 Six, four, 200.

04:57:34.280 Damn, bro.

04:57:34.860 Gig of chat.

04:57:35.640 Dude, yeah, for sure.

04:57:36.540 Gig of chat.

04:57:37.000 No, I'm not going to talk shit to you, Lucas.

04:57:38.880 We're bros, homie.

04:57:41.080 Wow.

04:57:41.800 That was quick.

04:57:42.300 Me and Lucas are bros.

04:57:42.960 No, we're bros.

04:57:43.640 Well, you know the thing is, though, is that it was a push-up contest, right?

04:57:46.460 Right.

04:57:47.220 So it's like, you know, like the thing is, is that, well, at least with pull-ups, this

04:57:51.860 is a bit different.

04:57:52.720 Like a guy who's really light.

04:57:54.920 Yeah.

04:57:55.620 He can do more pull-ups than a guy who's like big and shredded.

04:58:00.800 Exactly.

04:58:01.660 There's a little bit of an equilibrium there.

04:58:04.240 But push-ups are a little different.

04:58:05.400 They're different.

04:58:05.920 I can't bench as much as that, but I'd be down to do a push-up contest.

04:58:09.140 All right, Lucas, push-up contest.

04:58:10.400 Get out here to California.

04:58:12.760 I don't want to spar, Lucas.

04:58:14.380 Lucas, can you be on camera with your job?

04:58:19.380 But he's a lawyer.

04:58:20.680 Michael G., now that you're friends with Brian, look him in the eyes and call him a misogynist

04:58:24.880 that's causing men to F-11 themselves.

04:58:27.880 So on the live, yeah.

04:58:28.880 Well, here's what I'll say.

04:58:30.080 Look me deep in my eyes.

04:58:31.280 Dude, you got blue eyes, too.

04:58:32.360 I didn't know that.

04:58:32.780 I didn't know that until just now.

04:58:34.580 What the fuck?

04:58:35.500 I mean, fuck.

04:58:36.820 I just, I walked into that.

04:58:38.820 So I don't know that I can call you directly a misogynist.

04:58:43.320 No, I can't do that.

04:58:44.460 But I do think-

04:58:45.360 What about all this?

04:58:46.280 What about all this, Raphael?

04:58:47.960 It's not only you.

04:58:49.000 What is this?

04:58:49.660 A lot of your panel does it.

04:58:51.220 A lot of the people on your side do it.

04:58:52.860 It's not just you.

04:58:53.880 I think you're actually a pretty cool dude.

04:58:56.480 So, but the thing is, I think the show sometimes does promote that stuff.

04:59:01.060 And I think the guys who are angry find it to be, oh my God, women do suck.

04:59:06.340 Yeah, I agree with the show.

04:59:08.480 Women are the worst.

04:59:09.580 I hate them.

04:59:10.060 They have no logic.

04:59:10.980 They're stupid.

04:59:11.820 And I just think the guys who are already deep red pill, that's what they're going to continue to believe.

04:59:16.240 So that's the only thing I'm trying to do.

04:59:17.900 Dude, do your show.

04:59:19.580 You know, do your thing.

04:59:20.920 I'm just saying, I hope that there are men out there that aren't going deeper into it.

04:59:25.460 Because studies show they do.

04:59:27.320 That's all.

04:59:28.740 I'm trying to-

04:59:29.540 I don't want guys to unalive themselves.

04:59:32.060 It's just the thing.

04:59:33.120 And I'm not saying you're the cause of it.

04:59:34.760 But I'm saying, because they're probably watching other content too.

04:59:37.460 It's not just this.

04:59:38.420 But all of that reinforces it, in my opinion.

04:59:40.440 You know, I think people who watch my show, they actually love women more.

04:59:46.700 They love women more because they, you know, you got to go into something with your expectations managed.

04:59:57.020 And the blue pill thing is, is you're going to have a sense of what your experience is going to be with dating.

05:00:04.260 But if you go into dating, knowing full well what that's going to entail, then you're not going to be surprised when certain things happen.

05:00:15.540 And which will enable you to have an understanding of women and have your expectations managed.

05:00:25.100 And if your expectations are managed and you don't believe in this Disney fairytale bullshit when it comes to dating.

05:00:31.920 And I think women have a lot of, this isn't just men's view of women.

05:00:36.860 I think women need to lose the Disney bullshit too when it comes to men also.

05:00:42.360 Yeah, I think they have, I think some of them have lofty expectations of what women have of dating.

05:00:46.780 Sure, yeah.

05:00:47.240 But I think both men and women have been sold this like Disney-fied sort of ideal, which is just not realistic whatsoever.

05:00:54.960 And so for this reason, I actually think if you're going into dating or your encounters with your girlfriend or whatever it is with managed expectations, you're not going to end up disappointed.

05:01:10.560 Because you know exactly what you're getting into.

05:01:12.980 And I think that that makes for a much healthier relationship than having these unrealistic expectations, whether you're a man or a woman, when it comes to dating and relationships.

05:01:24.020 I think there's a fair point in what you're saying.

05:01:25.880 I think, you know, let's dispel the fairytale.

05:01:30.620 That there are people out there that have shitty ideals, shitty preferences.

05:01:34.380 There's shitty people out there.

05:01:35.840 And not every woman's great.

05:01:37.320 Not every man is great.

05:01:38.620 I think that's okay to say that.

05:01:40.820 But I feel like it's constantly, the expectation, okay, so I'll tell you, you know, my TikTok blew up pretty quickly.

05:01:49.480 It's doing pretty good.

05:01:50.540 But the comments I get from men constantly, when I asked women, would you date a man under six feet tall, all the women said yes.

05:01:57.140 Every single one I asked.

05:01:58.800 I know what they said, but the common thing I get from every red pill guy who's also single says, watch what they do, not what they say.

05:02:06.640 But I'm interviewing married people.

05:02:08.580 And these people are married to people under six foot.

05:02:10.780 So I'm watching what they do.

05:02:12.760 But men can't believe it because of what they're hearing in the red pill space.

05:02:16.540 They're hearing that women only want these preferences and that they're never going to get anybody.

05:02:20.340 And they're hearing that message over and over again.

05:02:22.700 Well, I mean, to your point a little bit.

05:02:24.920 So we asked the height question on our show.

05:02:27.640 Sure.

05:02:27.900 And even women on our show, it's not like these super brutal black pills where they're like, oh, I only want to date a 6'5 giga, Chad.

05:02:36.360 No, the women say, I've heard it.

05:02:37.820 I'm 5'7", I'll date a guy who's 5'8".

05:02:39.660 Yeah, I've heard that.

05:02:40.240 I'm 5'0", I'll date a guy who's 5'4".

05:02:42.460 Sure.

05:02:42.680 You know, they're like, as long as he's taller than me.

05:02:44.640 Yeah.

05:02:44.880 And I don't think that the women are lying necessarily.

05:02:48.080 Uh-huh.

05:02:48.400 But I think you are, to some degree, misrepresenting the red pill position on this.

05:02:53.180 Maybe.

05:02:53.660 Which is, they're not saying that it's perhaps a black pill position.

05:02:58.480 Okay, if you're not 6'0", you're just never going to get a girl.

05:03:02.360 The red pill position is acknowledging the reality that women have a general preference towards tall men.

05:03:08.760 Do you disagree that, generally speaking, women have a preference for taller men?

05:03:14.080 Sure.

05:03:14.160 Not to say that they wouldn't date a guy who's 5'9", but generally, if they had, like, a choice between the guy who's 6'3", versus the guy who's 5'9", they probably pick the 6'3".

05:03:24.000 But it's the same way guys would rather have Sydney Sweeney than, you know, some girl they just met on Tinder.

05:03:29.400 Like, men have the same kinds of preferences in terms of the extremes.

05:03:33.520 So, I totally agree with you.

05:03:34.780 But I think what happens is men get frustrated that women have those preferences, and it makes them feel like they're excluded.

05:03:41.500 And I don't think that's necessarily the case.

05:03:42.860 Because men follow Instagram models, and they think, oh, my gosh, she's so hot.

05:03:46.280 This is who I'd rather date.

05:03:47.420 But then they might meet somebody in the street, and just because they don't look like that or feel that, they don't feel like the attraction.

05:03:52.760 And so, I'm saying...

05:03:53.540 You're saying the men don't feel attraction towards the women?

05:03:56.040 Correct.

05:03:56.220 Oh, well, I think that's...

05:03:57.360 Men shouldn't follow...

05:03:58.460 Sure.

05:03:59.140 Prescriptively, I would say men shouldn't follow, like, IG models.

05:04:01.620 Yeah, but you're right.

05:04:02.540 And I think that's a dangerous precedent for men.

05:04:04.920 Or, like, watch porn or anything like that.

05:04:06.220 Yeah, yeah, of course.

05:04:06.660 And I can get behind that.

05:04:07.700 I think porn is setting men up for unrealistic expectations for the world.

05:04:11.680 And so, they get upset because they feel rejected, but they see women have these preferences for what they consider giga chads.

05:04:17.820 And it's like, yeah, if a woman had all the say in the world, she'd probably want to be with that.

05:04:22.140 But the guy she ends up with is probably not going to be that.

05:04:25.040 And you're missing out, I think, on great opportunities to meet women and have a good relationship.

05:04:28.800 Well, I do want to address your, I guess, comment or perhaps criticism of you said that you do these street interviews, and the answers that the women give you, you're saying that they're counter to some of the narratives.

05:04:41.220 For example, when it comes to height, right?

05:04:43.560 And the rebuttal that you probably receive is, look at what women do, not what they say.

05:04:51.180 You probably get that all the time.

05:04:52.560 It's the comment I get the most.

05:04:53.500 But do you think that there's a component of truth there?

05:04:55.720 Like, I agree with you that women aren't just, like, wholesale lying about every single thing they say.

05:05:01.500 However, I also think that, and this perhaps also applies to men, too, is that people want to give the answer that sounds good.

05:05:09.920 And I think that men do this, too, but I think women do it a little bit more.

05:05:15.100 And so they want to give the politically correct answer, the answer that sounds good.

05:05:20.460 Women don't want to give an answer that might paint them as potentially superficial or paint them in, like, a bad light.

05:05:31.000 So they're going to say, oh, I don't care about height.

05:05:33.940 But, for example, what we've done on the show is, you know, you ask a woman, well, you don't care about height, but we just ask them.

05:05:40.620 Yeah.

05:05:41.380 I've seen how tall, of all your long-term relationships, how tall have they been?

05:05:47.420 They're all six foot.

05:05:48.320 Not all the time, though, to be fair.

05:05:50.520 Like, sometimes the girl, like, yeah, I dated a guy who's, my current boyfriend's 5'7".

05:05:54.620 I dated a guy who's 5'9".

05:05:55.980 Yeah.

05:05:56.280 But we've also had women who are like, well, I'm 5'4", and I would date a guy who's 5'6".

05:06:02.200 And then they're like, well, my last three boyfriends were all six foot three.

05:06:06.420 So it's like, well, that's a really small percentage of men in that, in terms of the, what's the term, percentile, the height percentile, like six foot three, you're in, like, the 99th percentile.

05:06:22.740 But, again, I think women will often say the politically correct, feel-good answer to these things.

05:06:30.340 And I don't always think that they're honest about it.

05:06:33.620 And they did do a study on this.

05:06:35.140 I can't recall what.

05:06:36.900 But they asked women to compare, I think it was six traits.

05:06:39.640 Yeah.

05:06:40.180 And I don't know if you've seen this.

05:06:41.400 There's this infographic floating around.

05:06:43.840 It was like, what are the, like, the six most important things?

05:06:47.000 I think I've seen this.

05:06:47.680 And one of them was, like, good looks, intelligence, money.

05:06:52.820 I can't remember the other ones.

05:06:54.780 And they, I'm trying to remember, when they, looks was, like, at the bottom of their stated preferences.

05:07:03.480 But then I don't recall exactly what the study did.

05:07:06.660 But I think they showed them, like, images of men or something.

05:07:09.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

05:07:09.740 Oh, I know the study.

05:07:10.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

05:07:11.280 But, so there's a massive difference between their stated preference and their actual preference.

05:07:19.140 Attraction.

05:07:19.240 And their actual preference was more towards physical attraction as compared to what their stated preferences were.

05:07:25.320 And the other thing, final, I know you want to respond, last thing on this, is just, if you ask women if they think Lizzo is beautiful, they'll say yes.

05:07:33.100 Right.

05:07:34.060 But do they really think that?

05:07:35.440 I know what you're saying.

05:07:36.080 I mean, I don't know if you're a chubby chaser.

05:07:37.440 I don't want to put words in your mouth.

05:07:38.940 I'm just saying, when it comes to physical attractiveness, I think it's a tough sale to say that somebody who's, like, I'm not saying this to be insulting towards Lizzo.

05:07:48.900 I don't know she's just factually morbidly obese, or maybe she's been losing weight a little bit, too.

05:07:53.800 I think she has a little bit.

05:07:54.320 I think most people, when it comes to appraisals of physical attractiveness, are not going to say, like, somebody who's morbidly obese is physically attractive.

05:08:03.000 Yeah.

05:08:03.320 Generally speaking.

05:08:03.920 Sure.

05:08:04.820 Most people wouldn't find that attractive.

05:08:06.320 I hear what you're saying.

05:08:07.060 I mean, I'm going to lose a bit of weight, guys.

05:08:09.680 I'm getting a little obese.

05:08:10.800 We've got to cut out that in and out.

05:08:12.660 Exactly.

05:08:13.640 No, I think you're on to a lot of things.

05:08:16.140 And I don't disagree that maybe some of these women are answering this way, but that's why on my long-form podcast, I interview married women, because I want to interview women who are actually, you know, putting their money where their mouth is.

05:08:27.880 A lot of the women I interview have either said, I have dated men under six foot, or one of my more popular videos is, would you date a man who earns less money than you?

05:08:35.920 And all but one woman said yes.

05:08:37.980 And that woman was, you know, being honest.

05:08:40.500 That woman was being honest, which I appreciate.

05:08:42.260 When I did the six foot video, the last woman I interviewed, she was like, well, clearly, and she points to her husband, who's like, her height, you know, and it's just like, this is great.

05:08:50.880 It's a great, it's a, so I do see that women are putting their money where their mouth is.

05:08:55.020 Now, in that study, if I remember correctly, they listed their preferences, but then they were shown photos.

05:09:01.760 And I think photos is always going to be a bit superficial.

05:09:04.760 Like, I think photos, like, kind of like Tinder and all that stuff, it's very superficial.

05:09:08.520 I think what makes somebody attractive isn't necessarily just looks.

05:09:11.200 I think looks are the first thing you notice.

05:09:13.180 But I asked another question to women, what's more attractive, looks or confidence?

05:09:16.500 And every woman says confidence.

05:09:18.160 Now, do looks get you in the door?

05:09:19.860 Sure.

05:09:20.280 But I think a confident man who's average looking has a shot if he has got a, if he approaches a woman with confidence, has some personality, has a sense of humor, he's got a shot.

05:09:29.620 I'm not saying more than the giga chad or whatever they call him, but he's got a shot.

05:09:34.120 And a lot of women end up marrying those kinds of guys.

05:09:36.940 And I think the stats alone speak to it.

05:09:39.120 I think only 14% of the population is over six foot tall or six foot and over.

05:09:44.940 But about 50% of households are married.

05:09:47.580 So, obviously, women are marrying guys who are under six feet tall.

05:09:51.620 Yeah.

05:09:51.700 I would say most people, probably a good amount of people in terms of getting married, it's actually, if we're talking about socioeconomics, they're marrying people or in their socioeconomic class.

05:10:03.500 That's pretty typical.

05:10:04.060 On the confidence thing, though, I mean, I don't think there's any dispute even in the red pill space.

05:10:11.440 And there's some dispute of whether I even am red pill, but nobody denies that confidence is a bolster when it comes to attracting women.

05:10:20.780 Yeah.

05:10:20.920 I think the conversation, though, is that, and this is, I don't even think it's a red pill position, really.

05:10:27.660 It might not be.

05:10:28.300 Like, they're like, yeah, confidence is really important.

05:10:30.820 I think it's more black pill.

05:10:32.040 The black pill guys who are like, no, it doesn't matter.

05:10:36.060 Like, it's all looks.

05:10:38.300 Heights, looks, face, all that stuff.

05:10:41.560 I mean, but they're not totally wrong.

05:10:43.420 Like, if you're really unattractive and you're the most confident guy ever, I'm not saying you're not going to get a girl, but, like, this idea that confidence is, like, the cure-all for getting, like, it's some magic wand for getting any woman.

05:11:00.860 I don't think that's the case.

05:11:02.080 I agree.

05:11:02.400 And the other component, though, is that I think men who are confident are going to fare better in person.

05:11:09.780 So, like, an average-looking guy, but he's, like, got good personality and he's confident in person, I think he's going to do well.

05:11:16.320 I think he's going to do well.

05:11:17.820 The issue is, though, is that the majority of people, at least from what I've seen, are meeting online.

05:11:24.400 So that confidence, that personality doesn't really translate.

05:11:28.440 And so if people are meeting on Instagram, dating apps, et cetera, and my understanding from some statistics I've seen, maybe it's wrong, the majority of people are meeting online in some capacity.

05:11:41.220 They're meeting on dating apps.

05:11:42.420 So somebody's confidence or personality doesn't really have an opportunity to express itself online.

05:11:49.840 These women are swiping on the dating apps.

05:11:52.560 They're just looking for a hot dude.

05:11:54.000 They're going to see the hot guy first.

05:11:55.620 And, look, if he's, like, a little bitch, then, yeah, he's going to be in trouble.

05:12:00.200 But if he has, like, a modicum of ability to have a conversation with a woman and he's good-looking and she's already physically attracted to him, he's going to do okay where even if his confidence maybe isn't, like, exceptional.

05:12:11.980 Yeah.

05:12:12.600 I agree.

05:12:13.360 I agree.

05:12:13.980 And I think that's kind of why I want encouragement.

05:12:16.560 I think that's why I do on-the-street interviews is because I'm approaching women randomly.

05:12:19.720 They have no idea why I'm approaching them.

05:12:21.020 I think most of the time they're, like, pretty – they feel pretty comfortable with me.

05:12:24.620 But I'm trying to encourage men to do that more because personality – on the dating apps, it's a losing game.

05:12:31.320 You're outnumber – men outnumber women three to one.

05:12:33.740 So they're already on a losing game.

05:12:35.840 Yeah.

05:12:36.200 Dating apps are bad.

05:12:37.100 Yeah.

05:12:37.280 The dating app, I want men to get off the dating apps.

05:12:39.840 And I think they're kind of on the decline.

05:12:41.360 I know – I think statistically recently more people –

05:12:43.760 Yeah, I agree with that.

05:12:44.300 So I want to encourage more people to go meet people in real life because that's when your personality can shine and that's when your confidence can shine.

05:12:51.380 That's when your sense of humor can shine.

05:12:52.720 And if you feel like, I don't have enough money or I don't have enough this, it's like, honestly, there are guys at McDonald's that are married.

05:12:57.900 There are guys at Walmart that are married.

05:12:59.220 There are guys at gas stations that are married.

05:13:00.900 And I'm not saying that's the norm, but it's possible.

05:13:04.240 And I think people can find love and partnership, and that's all I'm trying to push for.

05:13:07.760 That's really it because I'm not saying like I'm like a huge natalist, but I think there's a common ground in what a lot of the red pill and a lot of these other people think is that at the end of the day, we do want to have a thriving population.

05:13:21.360 And how do you do that?

05:13:22.120 You get people together.

05:13:23.020 And right now, there's too much of a divide.

05:13:25.100 So I'm trying to limit that divide as much as I can.

05:13:28.660 That's my mission.

05:13:29.860 That's what I'm trying to do.

05:13:30.700 And I'm brand new to this.

05:13:32.460 But any guy I can reach with that, it's like I know what it's like to not have confidence.

05:13:38.440 I know what it's like to feel like you're never going to date a girl.

05:13:42.580 And it's sad.

05:13:43.820 And I hate that feeling for men.

05:13:45.460 And I know a lot of men feel that way.

05:13:46.820 So I just want them to not feel like if you don't have six figures, six foot, six pack abs, and no woman's ever going to like you because I just don't think that case because average men are – and I go to Disneyland.

05:13:59.700 I go to all these places, I look around, and I'm like, look at all these people in relationships.

05:14:03.740 Look at all these guys and girls.

05:14:05.180 They're just so normal looking.

05:14:06.680 People you don't see online.

05:14:08.160 I don't think there's a dispute here necessarily.

05:14:12.420 There's a lot of average people who are dating other average people.

05:14:17.060 Yeah.

05:14:17.880 But I think that there are a couple issues here.

05:14:22.160 And, again, I don't think anybody disputes this.

05:14:25.200 Yes, if you go out into the public, you'll see, like, a looks-matched couple.

05:14:31.260 You'll see it all the time.

05:14:33.380 There is, though, a cohort of both men and women who, with their own dating experiences, are encountering certain things as it relates to – it's not all women.

05:14:45.560 But there are quite a few women who have, let's say, delusional expectations as it relates to their dating prospects.

05:14:55.660 Agreed, agreed.

05:14:57.100 And perhaps the same could be said, I think, for a smaller portion of men.

05:15:00.880 Men seem to – at least my assessment – men seem to be more realistic as it relates to their dating prospects.

05:15:07.280 And you also mentioned you have an issue with, like, the looks-rating thing.

05:15:12.000 But I'll explain, I think, why.

05:15:14.020 Okay.

05:15:14.620 And this is what I explain to the women.

05:15:15.940 I know you don't like the rating thing, but I think it's important.

05:15:18.720 And here's why.

05:15:19.800 It's because women have sexual access to men who, I would argue, are outside of their league.

05:15:29.080 Whereas a man, if you step to a woman who's outside of your league – at the moment, I'm just talking about looks.

05:15:37.600 I know what you mean, yeah.

05:15:38.100 But, like, men can bolster their prospects with status, money, confidence, personality.

05:15:43.720 There's ways men can bolster and date out of their league by making up for it with those things I just mentioned.

05:15:49.720 Yeah, agreed.

05:15:50.200 But because women – but the thing is, though, generally speaking, I would say, like, the average guy, for example.

05:15:56.100 Most average men can't be sluts, right?

05:15:59.160 I think that.

05:16:00.740 Most average men don't have access to hookup culture.

05:16:03.440 Yeah, I agree.

05:16:04.080 They can't go and, like, sleep with a new woman every single day of the week.

05:16:08.880 Yeah.

05:16:09.560 Every single woman, even below average – I'm not even talking about average women.

05:16:13.460 I'm talking about below average women.

05:16:15.820 If they were so inclined, they could be sluts.

05:16:18.620 Yeah, if they wanted to.

05:16:19.680 If they turn it on, they could.

05:16:20.840 Any woman can be a slut.

05:16:22.180 I agree.

05:16:22.580 Very few men can be sluts.

05:16:24.020 And so what you have happening is essentially you have women who have sexual access, limited sexual access because they're not getting commitment, but they have limited sexual access to men outside their league.

05:16:35.640 Yeah.

05:16:35.780 So what happens there?

05:16:36.800 Basically, you have a lot of women who are chasing after men who, frankly, would never commit to them.

05:16:45.040 Right.

05:16:45.240 And this is a cycle that women could get into in their 20s as they're dating.

05:16:49.520 Yeah.

05:16:49.920 And these men – and look, here's – prescriptively, I don't think men should sleep with women if they don't have a genuine bona fide intention of being in a relationship with that girl.

05:17:01.940 I can get one on that.

05:17:02.680 I don't think men should be promiscuous.

05:17:04.220 I don't think men should be promiscuous.

05:17:05.740 I think that's a healthy message.

05:17:06.700 But in a situation where we have completely – we have a global sexual marketplace, things are completely liberated.

05:17:16.140 Women can hop on a dating app and fuck a really attractive guy, and it can be done without, like, the prying eyes of their social circle and their peer group.

05:17:25.100 You have women who are going to hook up with these men.

05:17:27.480 You have men who are also going to hook up with these women for a different reason.

05:17:30.640 Yeah.

05:17:30.780 And so because of this, you have women who – the way I often describe it is this.

05:17:39.780 Have you ever been in a dorm room?

05:17:42.340 You ever lived in a dorm room?

05:17:43.320 No, I never lived, but I have experience.

05:17:45.360 You ever, like, had housemates or roommates?

05:17:48.420 Yes, but, like, in a – like, off-campus house, but yeah.

05:17:51.320 Okay, and you shared a bathroom or something?

05:17:52.960 Yeah.

05:17:53.400 Yeah.

05:17:53.880 You currently – I assume you and your wife live alone?

05:17:57.640 Yeah, just us and our dogs, yeah.

05:17:59.040 Yeah.

05:17:59.220 Um, it's really hard to go from, uh, from having, like, let's say you live in a mansion to going to live in a shared – having roommates.

05:18:11.860 Not housemates, roommates.

05:18:13.240 People who live in the same room as you and you share a bathroom with three people.

05:18:17.480 Similar to that, if a woman has dealt with a certain caliber or tier of men, it's going to be kind of like – you're like, okay, this is my league because I can sleep with these men.

05:18:27.720 Right.

05:18:27.900 But you're – for women, their league is the men that they can get into long-term committed relationships with.

05:18:33.880 So these men will entertain short-term sexual relations – limited short-term sexual relationships with these women.

05:18:40.620 Men don't have that same ability to secure, like –

05:18:43.740 Right.

05:18:44.120 To secure that.

05:18:45.980 I agree.

05:18:46.080 So for this reason, there's this differential that exists between men and women where, essentially, you do have a cohort of women who's like, well, I'm – they're perpetually chasing men who are out of their league because it's like the breadcrumb of, like, I can get a guy who's more attractive.

05:19:03.740 We all want the best, right?

05:19:04.920 Like, as men, we want to get the most attractive, good personality woman, whatever the –

05:19:11.520 We want to shoot for that.

05:19:12.960 Yeah.

05:19:13.140 Like, we all want to get the best that we can get, right?

05:19:15.580 Yeah.

05:19:15.600 Mm-hmm.

05:19:16.800 And same with women.

05:19:17.820 Women want to get the best mate that they can get.

05:19:21.000 Yeah.

05:19:21.100 But, again, going back to what I was saying, men get insta-rejected.

05:19:26.960 Yeah.

05:19:27.060 So men have to be – like, if I step to a girl who's a 10 out of 10 Victoria's Secret model, bro, it ain't happening.

05:19:33.820 I don't know, man.

05:19:34.340 It ain't happening.

05:19:34.680 I don't know.

05:19:34.860 I don't care how confident I step.

05:19:35.860 You got a successful podcast.

05:19:37.400 You're –

05:19:37.700 Nah, it's not happening.

05:19:38.820 It's not happening.

05:19:40.200 If I step to a girl who's clearly out of my league, I'm not – she's not going to be like, well, for example, if I'm offering her on a silver platter sex,

05:19:50.000 she's like, no.

05:19:52.680 But, like, as a woman, if you offer a guy who's more attractive than you on a silver platter, you offer him sex, he might take that opportunity.

05:20:02.100 So women have at least limited sexual access to men outside their league, and so essentially it creates a completely different – a massive difference.

05:20:11.740 Yeah.

05:20:12.120 No, and I think you're absolutely right.

05:20:14.100 There's nothing – everything you said was absolutely correct.

05:20:15.840 But I think what happens here, yes, I think online women and men have unrealistic expectations of what they can get, and women have more access to those unrealistic expectations.

05:20:27.980 Yeah, they get breadcrumbs.

05:20:28.940 Right.

05:20:29.320 They get a taste of it.

05:20:30.560 Yeah, they get a taste of it.

05:20:31.340 They get a taste.

05:20:32.060 Yeah, and it's hard to go back to the room.

05:20:33.860 I get what you're saying.

05:20:34.680 I totally understand.

05:20:35.640 I think there are certain people that chase that kind of thing, though.

05:20:38.420 So I think there are other women who, you know, maybe they're raised in a different environment.

05:20:43.120 They're not chronically online.

05:20:44.920 Sure.

05:20:45.720 They really do want someone to just sit on the couch and watch Netflix with, you know, and they want to go get in and out and, like, do that kind of stuff.

05:20:52.520 So – but I totally agree that maybe there's some misguidedness on, like, our expectations because of the internet.

05:20:58.540 But I also think that part of the frustration that men feel is that imbalance in the sexual marketplace.

05:21:05.800 And so men are frustrated because women do have access to that, and they don't.

05:21:10.000 And that frustrates them because they want access to those same women, but they can't get them.

05:21:14.280 And so there's a frustration that comes from that that I think what happens is online that starts to build as they continue to, you know, consume content that basically tells them that's all you should be is this because if you're not that, you're never going to get anybody.

05:21:27.320 And I think that message is pounded into men's heads so much so that when I'm talking to them, I'm like, it's not like that.

05:21:34.220 I've got to get you outside.

05:21:35.380 I've got to get you offline and talking to real people.

05:21:38.620 And I know it's difficult.

05:21:39.640 It's hard to approach a woman.

05:21:41.120 But I was getting my hair cut for this podcast, and I was getting my hair cut, and I was telling them I was coming on here, and one of the girls was like, oh, I'm single, you know.

05:21:49.680 And I was like, well, you know, do guys ask you out?

05:21:52.380 She's like, no.

05:21:52.800 She's like, and honestly, the next guy that asked me out would probably say yes because he had the balls to do it.

05:21:56.560 And I'm like, wow, you know, like shout out to homie and OC.

05:22:01.580 Like hit up Kempt, Herka, you might get a date.

05:22:04.580 Wait, you have a female barber?

05:22:06.460 No, no, no.

05:22:06.940 I have a male barber.

05:22:08.340 Oh, okay.

05:22:08.600 She was in there.

05:22:09.300 She was in there, and I was talking to her.

05:22:11.180 She worked there.

05:22:12.120 Sure.

05:22:13.240 So, yeah.

05:22:13.820 Okay.

05:22:14.060 That's my point.

05:22:14.600 I'm going to let the rest of the chats come through, guys.

05:22:17.900 Guys, $30 TTS, final call.

05:22:20.260 Final call.

05:22:20.800 We're going to wrap up here in just a sec.

05:22:22.720 Since you asked, your face, posture, physiognomy, voice, and even your vibe makes you unmasculine.

05:22:29.420 You're a teeny tiny widow beta cuck with fee wings.

05:22:32.780 Your opinions just makes you retarded, joyful, are you?

05:22:36.720 Hey, Josh.

05:22:37.620 Josh, do you hear this voice?

05:22:38.840 You hear this luscious voice?

05:22:40.040 You think that sounds not masculine, dude?

05:22:41.640 What the fuck?

05:22:43.700 What the fuck?

05:22:44.620 Lucas donated $30.

05:22:47.620 Brian dot, that's true.

05:22:49.640 If her too thick, push-ups can be difficult, but I still do one-arm push-ups and still rep

05:22:55.280 out with legit pull-ups.

05:22:57.340 Chat, I apologize for my cockiness slash hubris.

05:23:00.720 Lucas, no one's going to roast you, dude.

05:23:02.140 I deserve it.

05:23:03.100 No one's roasting Lucas because he's too big.

05:23:06.100 Lucas donated $30.

05:23:08.500 One slash Brian.

05:23:10.300 I wish I can show my face on camera.

05:23:12.420 I'm actually pretty polite in person.

05:23:15.760 Unfortunately, there are a lot of pronoun in the email signature block people in my firm's

05:23:21.260 HR department dot, I would have to.

05:23:24.100 Gotta continue.

05:23:25.140 Lucas donated $30.

05:23:26.900 Thank you, man.

05:23:27.660 Contored, I would have to pull a at home, athee, hide my face, or blur it on camera.

05:23:33.300 Otherwise, pretty good chance I'd be hitting the breadline afterwards.

05:23:37.680 It's NYC after all.

05:23:39.440 We have a V for Vendetta mask that you could wear, or if you're honestly, Lucas, if you

05:23:44.360 want, just come kick it.

05:23:45.540 Spartan mask, who up there?

05:23:46.700 Just kick it behind the scenes.

05:23:47.700 You don't even have to come on camera.

05:23:49.340 Thank you, Josh.

05:23:50.360 Appreciate it.

05:23:50.740 Josh donated $30.

05:23:52.500 All your opinions have meant nothing.

05:23:55.020 Be a man and stop being a clown.

05:23:57.300 You won't see it in others.

05:23:59.020 Only way you'll understand is when it happens to you.

05:24:02.140 You probably got no guy friends either.

05:24:05.100 I do have guy friends.

05:24:06.500 That hurts, though.

05:24:07.360 That hurts, man.

05:24:08.500 We got Durin dolls.

05:24:09.700 Dude, I haven't seen her in a while.

05:24:10.620 Durin, you donated $30.

05:24:12.160 Thank you so much, man.

05:24:12.900 Being handsome gets your foot in the door, which leads to success, which builds confidence.

05:24:18.520 Just tell guys to be more confident, bruh.

05:24:21.480 I don't know why more men didn't think of that.

05:24:23.700 I have something on this.

05:24:24.980 I hear what you're saying.

05:24:25.860 I think looks helps you feel confident.

05:24:29.340 But I think confidence can be built in other ways.

05:24:31.200 For example, just having a belief in yourself that maybe, hey, I don't have all the answers,

05:24:35.200 but I'm going to come do it anyway.

05:24:36.600 That's confidence.

05:24:37.500 Or you build confidence by successfully doing things over time beyond dating.

05:24:41.740 Just, hey, I tried to learn this, how to ride a motorcycle, and now I ride a motorcycle.

05:24:45.460 That builds confidence.

05:24:46.820 Learning new skills, that builds confidence.

05:24:48.780 I don't think it's just looks.

05:24:49.740 Looks help, but there's other ways to build confidence.

05:24:52.340 All right.

05:24:52.880 We got Ghost here.

05:24:53.940 Thank you, Durin.

05:24:54.560 Good to see you, Durin.

05:24:55.240 Ghost Logistics donated $30.

05:24:56.740 BTW, my kid I took custody of at 1.5 months old from a girl I broke up with for lying about birth control.

05:25:05.940 Dated her for a week.

05:25:07.660 Men abandoning is often avoiding the persecution in court.

05:25:11.520 Ghost.

05:25:12.740 Yeah, I have heard reports like, so for example, a guy will really want to fight for his children.

05:25:21.220 And then he'll go talk to a family law attorney.

05:25:27.360 Yeah.

05:25:27.840 And the family law attorney does not have like a good prediction for how it's going to go.

05:25:35.860 And that men face certain challenges when it comes to custody disputes and this sort of thing.

05:25:45.120 And so a lot of men just, I mean, they're like, man, I'm going to spend all this money with a really low chance of getting a positive outcome.

05:25:56.440 One of the other things that often frequently happens, and I don't know if this is the case for ghosts, I don't recall his points, is, and I'm not saying all women do this, but this is actually, and I think this is something that's been studied.

05:26:07.080 But the incidence of false accusations once a custody dispute has been initiated, and if the man challenges the dispute over custody, it's frequently seen, almost exclusively on the women's part, for various accusations to manifest themselves out of the ether once the man starts fighting for custody.

05:26:34.560 For example, there will be accusations of verbal abuse.

05:26:39.880 There'll be accusations of emotional abuse.

05:26:42.120 There'll be accusations of physical abuse towards the woman.

05:26:47.240 But then if the woman doesn't get her will, there will be further accusations that are even more sinister and malevolent.

05:26:54.560 She'll start accusing the man of abusing the child, physically abusing the child, and I think the worst, of the child.

05:27:05.080 And these manifest as attempts at leveraging these sorts of accusations to either destroy the morale of men who are attempting to fight for custody of their children,

05:27:22.900 or to paint a picture of the man as being essentially, well, abusive, and precluding him from getting any degree of custody.

05:27:36.460 And I'm not, look, there are genuine instances of abuse, but this is seen, and Lucas is an attorney, I don't know if he can weigh in on this,

05:27:45.240 and I don't know if this is his area of practice with, well, I don't think it's his area of practice, family law,

05:27:50.540 but this is seen frequently in custody of dispute situations, which tend to end up, when there's a mutual custody dispute,

05:27:58.720 oftentimes are very, very, what's the term for, like, with a legal thing, if it's contentious.

05:28:05.920 Contentious, okay.

05:28:06.480 Very contentious, very, get very nasty, and when people are fighting over their children, which I think is really unfortunate,

05:28:14.560 oftentimes in furtherance of, if it's expedient to throw out a false accusation in the hopes of either making the court believe that these abuses are real,

05:28:28.200 or demoralizing the man to cease their pursuit of custody, it's actually effective, sadly.

05:28:40.700 I bet, I bet.

05:28:41.380 Sadly.

05:28:41.700 I bet it, okay, assuming the instances are false, of course, I'm sure there are instances where it's true,

05:28:47.180 but assuming this is being completely fabricated, yeah, that can totally be used against men,

05:28:51.920 because I'm sure there's a bias that that happened, or they're going to believe the woman, you know, because of this, you know,

05:28:56.020 and that's horrible, that shouldn't be done.

05:28:58.200 But I abhor anybody who tries to keep a good father from their kids.

05:29:04.280 I think that's horrible.

05:29:05.360 Sure.

05:29:05.520 I think that's one of the worst things you could possibly do.

05:29:08.420 Keeping bad fathers away from kids, I'm okay with.

05:29:11.020 Keeping good fathers away, that's evil, in my opinion.

05:29:14.100 Yeah.

05:29:14.900 Yeah.

05:29:15.880 And I don't know if that's a ghost situation, but there was, like, I think two separate guys who sent in messages

05:29:21.500 who were saying they had, like, these just catastrophic, like, months or even year-long custody.

05:29:27.900 These disputes, it's just, you know, it's actually interesting is I actually sat in, I was, like, preparing for a small claims case I was dealing with,

05:29:38.620 and I just went to the courthouse, and I sat in in one of these court proceedings,

05:29:45.120 and I watched, like, three separate divorce slash child custody, child support, and it's really sad.

05:29:54.740 It's ugly, dude.

05:29:55.340 It's, like, sad to see these two people.

05:29:57.580 They once loved each other.

05:29:58.580 Right.

05:29:58.900 There's children involved.

05:30:00.100 Right.

05:30:00.420 And the relationship's just completely destroyed.

05:30:03.120 It's really sad.

05:30:03.720 It's sad as hell.

05:30:04.820 And, uh, yeah.

05:30:05.720 It's, uh...

05:30:06.900 It's horrible.

05:30:07.440 It's horrible for everybody.

05:30:08.620 You had criticisms as it relates to, like, my anti-marriage position, and, like, honestly,

05:30:14.080 this might seem like kind of Doomer Blackpill, but I do think it's worth it for men to just go, make an informed decision.

05:30:25.120 Just go and watch family law proceedings for an hour or two, and just be, you gotta be, I'm not saying, well, maybe don't get married,

05:30:35.420 but at least go into it knowing that in the event of a divorce, that's how it could be.

05:30:42.440 So, one, just you gotta pick.

05:30:44.740 You gotta make sure you pick the right woman.

05:30:46.880 Absolutely.

05:30:47.420 Because you don't want to be dealing with a woman that's gonna be, like, any sort of...

05:30:51.960 It's tough, though.

05:30:52.680 Even some women switch up, so you can't even really know.

05:30:55.820 But you gotta just make sure you gotta vet the woman properly.

05:31:01.720 Even then, man, fuck, it's complicated.

05:31:03.340 Whatever.

05:31:03.500 I'm gonna let the rest of the chats come through.

05:31:05.760 Oh, my God.

05:31:06.340 Intel Wild donated $29.99.

05:31:09.760 Did this one come through already?

05:31:10.900 I don't know.

05:31:11.380 This stock has a micro kit.

05:31:12.460 Nah, it's huge.

05:31:15.360 It's gargantuan.

05:31:16.980 Word.

05:31:18.840 You're a fucking liar!

05:31:20.340 You're a fucking liar!

05:31:21.480 Intel Wild donated $30.

05:31:23.940 Thank you, Intel.

05:31:24.400 No such thing as happiness in real life.

05:31:27.120 If you believe in that, you will surely be depressed.

05:31:29.820 Intel Wild, look, reading a message like that is exactly what makes me concerned, because happiness is in real life.

05:31:36.520 Lucas donated $30.

05:31:38.940 Brian, I'll come out next time Andrew is back.

05:31:42.860 I'll bring Wi-Fi, too.

05:31:44.220 I visit my firm's LA office periodically to collaborate so I can come and kick it.

05:31:51.480 Based, Thor donated $30.

05:31:54.420 Esotopic from last episode.

05:31:56.640 Is it SA if he stops two seconds after she said no but is a premature ejaculator and busted a nut on her after she said no?

05:32:04.220 Is it still SA?

05:32:05.360 It's a crazy hypothetical.

05:32:08.580 What if he's in the middle of ejaculating?

05:32:12.120 He's in the middle of ejaculating.

05:32:13.900 I can't engage with him.

05:32:14.760 Alright, alright, alright.

05:32:15.620 He doesn't like it.

05:32:16.400 Alright.

05:32:17.080 Let me read.

05:32:18.040 We got Super Chats here.

05:32:19.160 We got Michael G.

05:32:21.080 Now that you're...

05:32:22.220 Oh, wait.

05:32:22.580 You already did that one.

05:32:23.080 I did that one.

05:32:23.860 Jason Cassell.

05:32:25.340 Okay, I think I want to fight Lucas.

05:32:27.220 Oh, shit.

05:32:27.740 We got some viewer-on-viewer boxing action here.

05:32:30.560 Start the channel.

05:32:31.420 6'1", 260 bench.

05:32:34.120 No, he weighs 260.

05:32:35.440 He benches, 415 pounds.

05:32:39.020 Deadlifts, 675 pounds.

05:32:41.260 47.

05:32:41.960 Just kidding.

05:32:42.460 I don't want to fight Lucas is awesome.

05:32:44.740 Oh, shit.

05:32:45.260 Jason, look at this handsome guy with his sunglasses there.

05:32:47.980 I do think if you start the boxing thing, though, it should be people of opposing views because that'll be more engaging.

05:32:54.820 Who do you want to box?

05:32:55.880 Andrew?

05:32:56.820 No, I don't want to box Andrew.

05:32:57.980 Jim Bob?

05:32:59.140 No.

05:32:59.980 I don't know if there's anybody I want to box.

05:33:02.960 I wouldn't box Andrew Tate because I get my ass kicked.

05:33:05.260 Would you box Donald Trump?

05:33:07.000 Yeah.

05:33:08.340 I would throw hands at Donald Trump.

05:33:09.720 We got Michael.

05:33:11.160 Oh, Raph.

05:33:12.000 Can you draw a super S right now?

05:33:13.980 I don't even know what a super S is.

05:33:14.380 And if not, how can any of us ever trust you?

05:33:16.680 What's a super S?

05:33:17.460 It's like the stussy S.

05:33:18.960 It's like here.

05:33:19.980 Is it the lines?

05:33:21.820 Yeah, this thing.

05:33:22.480 Oh, yeah.

05:33:22.760 I remember this from school.

05:33:24.120 Shit.

05:33:24.380 I don't remember if I know how to do it, though.

05:33:25.840 Yeah, that thing.

05:33:26.520 Fuck.

05:33:26.820 I can't remember how to connect them.

05:33:27.980 It's hard.

05:33:28.600 It's hard.

05:33:29.260 All right.

05:33:29.680 That's it for the soup chats.

05:33:30.780 Guys, final call if you want to get in the final roast.

05:33:33.040 We're going to get this wrapped up here.

05:33:34.120 We got Lucas.

05:33:36.060 One sec.

05:33:36.680 Lucas getting this pulled up.

05:33:38.560 Oh, really quick.

05:33:41.400 Mary, can you pull up Twitch really quick?

05:33:42.880 Guys, final call for Twitch.

05:33:44.260 If you enjoyed the stream, guys, and you're watching on YouTube or you're watching on Twitch,

05:33:48.240 can you guys check if you have a Prime sub available?

05:33:50.440 Guys, it's been 36 minutes since we last got a Prime sub.

05:33:54.100 I think it's bugged, boys.

05:33:55.740 It's been a minute since I've been doing the bugged thing, but I think it's bugged.

05:33:58.420 Can somebody just check if there's a Twitch Prime in the chat?

05:34:01.780 Guys, drop us a follow and a Prime sub if you have one.

05:34:05.300 If you have an Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.

05:34:07.060 Twitch, quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.

05:34:10.800 Thank you guys for the support over there.

05:34:12.780 Also, guys, discord.gg slash whatever.

05:34:15.480 Also, like the video, please.

05:34:16.920 Appreciate it, guys.

05:34:17.640 Appreciate it, guys.

05:34:18.240 Final call on the TTS.

05:34:19.780 Oh, I need to do Venmos really quick.

05:34:21.360 We had Douglas Marks.

05:34:23.440 Thank you for the $5 on Venmo.

05:34:25.120 Eric, thank you for the $10 on Venmo.

05:34:27.460 And 50 Bag of Hate.

05:34:29.340 Thank you for the $10 via Cash App.

05:34:33.960 Really appreciate it, guys.

05:34:34.720 Thank you.

05:34:34.980 Thank you.

05:34:35.700 All right.

05:34:35.980 Final call on these.

05:34:37.060 We have here.

05:34:40.220 I'll wait for Lucas to finish this.

05:34:41.600 Michael G.

05:34:42.780 Raph, you're a kind-hearted good man who makes you a target in secular capitalism.

05:34:47.900 You need to join the church and you can thrive.

05:34:50.820 Next debate, you'll be Andrew teaching you how to accept Jesus.

05:34:55.760 Thanks for the compliment, Michael.

05:34:57.340 I do try to be kind and good-hearted.

05:34:59.360 I am thriving, though.

05:35:00.660 I got to say, I do love my life.

05:35:03.280 All right.

05:35:03.660 And then we have these final messages here from Lucas.

05:35:07.440 Lucas donated $30.

05:35:09.480 Thank you, man.

05:35:09.960 Appreciate it.

05:35:10.260 One slash Brian.

05:35:11.820 James Sexton talks about this a lot.

05:35:14.840 Women fight hard for custody, BC.

05:35:17.020 There is child support dollar at play.

05:35:19.000 The child support money is typically not specifically earmarked for the kids, so it can.

05:35:25.220 You know, really quick, I'm going to let the rest of the viewers come through.

05:35:27.340 This is actually a men's rights position.

05:35:29.820 In the same way with food stamps and SNAP benefits, like food benefits, you can only, like they give you a card, you can only spend it on food.

05:35:39.300 You can't, like, go buy, like, I don't know, like alcohol.

05:35:44.640 You can't go and buy, like, electronic device.

05:35:47.940 Like, it will only work with food.

05:35:51.640 And I think there could be something else implemented with child support where it has to be spent on something.

05:35:59.240 It could get a little complicated, though, if, like, part of it is, like, helping out with rent.

05:36:03.460 But, like, child support should go towards the child.

05:36:07.260 It should go towards child support-related expenses.

05:36:12.580 You shouldn't be able to get your nails done if there's, like, excess money from the child support.

05:36:18.580 I think everyone can agree with that.

05:36:20.720 Are there people that don't?

05:36:21.760 Are there people that think otherwise?

05:36:23.540 Because I feel like that's pretty reasonable.

05:36:25.140 Yeah.

05:36:25.840 Well, but there's not currently, like, a system in place for that.

05:36:30.320 It's just, like, here's $2,000 or here's however much money it is.

05:36:34.380 You can really spend it on anything you want.

05:36:36.600 Yeah.

05:36:38.040 Lucas donated $30.

05:36:40.640 Contored so the mother can use the child support dollar for whatever since it's never audited.

05:36:46.300 Also, family law is court of equity, so false allegations are typically handled as per the judge's discretion.

05:36:54.420 Lucas donated $30.

05:36:56.380 Equity, what's that?

05:36:57.160 Three slash not pursuant to aid law standard of proof.

05:37:01.140 Also, Officer Tatum has often discussed the weaponization of false TV allegations.

05:37:07.320 Yo, Jay.

05:37:08.560 Bench 400 pounds.

05:37:10.580 You got me, bro.

05:37:11.840 What is, uh, court of equity?

05:37:15.960 What does that mean?

05:37:16.840 Never heard that.

05:37:17.580 Shniko Zero Ford donated $30.

05:37:22.000 Brian lost my ex-wife to substance abuse and bipolar disorder.

05:37:26.440 Sorry to hear that.

05:37:26.860 Came out of the blue.

05:37:28.380 Even if you think you picked the one, it can change overnight.

05:37:31.720 Shit.

05:37:32.200 It cost her the marriage and her life.

05:37:34.160 I'm sorry, buddy.

05:37:34.860 That's hard, man.

05:37:36.060 Wait, you lost her as in she...

05:37:38.700 Sounds like it.

05:37:39.580 It sounds like it cost her life.

05:37:40.880 Or you lost her like you got divorced.

05:37:43.080 I think you said it cost her life.

05:37:44.700 I don't know.

05:37:45.880 Oh, and she...

05:37:46.720 Okay.

05:37:46.980 Oh, my God.

05:37:47.380 I'm so toaster brain.

05:37:48.660 And her life.

05:37:49.660 Okay.

05:37:50.080 That's hard, man.

05:37:50.720 I didn't see that part.

05:37:51.460 Sorry to hear that, man.

05:37:52.740 Um, damn.

05:37:54.420 It takes a lot of bravery to engage in relationships because they really can go bad.

05:37:58.820 I mean, that's the reality.

05:38:00.440 They can go real bad.

05:38:01.880 And I'm really sorry to hear it went that way.

05:38:04.300 That's, yeah.

05:38:05.060 I mean, that's the tough thing, too, is like, you think you know somebody, but people change.

05:38:12.420 Circumstances change.

05:38:13.640 I don't think most people go into relationships or specifically marriage, like, like anticipating that there's going to be a divorce.

05:38:21.980 Like, they're probably not like thinking like this is going to happen, but they probably think this is the love of my life.

05:38:28.180 Right.

05:38:28.900 And they don't see it.

05:38:30.320 If it goes the other way, it's devastating because you really do believe in this thing.

05:38:35.240 So, yeah.

05:38:35.940 Look, I don't want to belittle men trying to date because it is scary as shit.

05:38:40.380 And I think that's why women appreciate the courage often because it is a brave thing to do to go talk to women.

05:38:47.760 And I mean, from my own experience, I've actually dated some pretty wonderful women.

05:38:53.560 But there was one girl in particular I dated who she had a borderline personality disorder, BPD.

05:39:02.480 And I mean, honestly, there's some I was young.

05:39:06.280 Looking back, there's some signs pretty early on.

05:39:08.940 There's some signs early on that I probably could have tuned into, but I was young and naive and didn't have much relationship experience.

05:39:15.760 But, like, definitely people, you know, like that relationship from how it started to that, like, it changed a lot.

05:39:24.900 Just completely different.

05:39:25.880 It was very different.

05:39:26.660 But even, like, people who don't have any sort of personality disorders or whatever, shit can change.

05:39:32.000 Absolutely.

05:39:32.360 And I think one of the things, though, at least as it relates to marriage, which is one of the things men should potentially look out for, is I think once you're married, I think the woman has more leverage.

05:39:44.820 Because if you're the breadwinner, if you're the breadwinner as the guy and you're getting into alimony territory, then it's like she's kind of got you by the balls.

05:39:57.740 She's got you by the balls.

05:39:59.160 It can be, but I could be wrong, but I think, again, I might have been wrong about some of my stats, but I believe only 10% of marriages end up with alimony payments, I think.

05:40:09.120 I think it's something along those lines.

05:40:10.620 Yeah, I don't know what the statistics are on it.

05:40:13.320 Obviously, if you've been married for a short time, my understanding is if it's below a certain threshold, you'll pay alimony for a duration that's proportionate to the length of, you know, the marriage.

05:40:26.820 It's not like, I don't think it's, you've been married for three years, you pay alimony for three years.

05:40:31.000 I think it's maybe, I don't know, it's different in different jurisdictions.

05:40:34.620 Maybe it's half.

05:40:35.500 I think in California, it's either after eight or 10 years, then there's the, it's potentially lifetime alimony.

05:40:44.140 That's kind of ridiculous.

05:40:45.380 Well, I personally believe, you know, if you're really worried about, if you really have a lot of assets and finances and you're worried about alimony, I mean, if, you know,

05:40:52.900 I think a woman can understand a prenup, prenup, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

05:40:56.320 Yeah, but there's concerns with prenups too.

05:40:58.560 Oh, really?

05:40:58.960 Yeah, prenups can be challenged.

05:41:00.920 Oh.

05:41:01.540 Yeah, prenups can be challenged.

05:41:03.480 Sometimes they can be deemed unenforceable.

05:41:05.760 Interesting.

05:41:06.020 And then it can, oftentimes it can, I think, Lucas, correct me if I'm wrong, it only applies to that which occurs, or it can only exclude that, like, assets or money that existed prior to the marriage.

05:41:21.620 But anything earned during the marriage, I don't think.

05:41:26.020 I think legally you could still exclude things during the marriage.

05:41:28.860 I think.

05:41:29.400 I could be wrong, but I think.

05:41:30.760 Not sure.

05:41:31.220 Because, yeah.

05:41:32.280 But we do have to wrap the show.

05:41:33.820 So, Raphael, thank you for joining me, man.

05:41:35.740 Really appreciate it.

05:41:36.460 Thanks for having me.

05:41:36.780 It was a good show.

05:41:37.300 Guys, kindly like the video on the way out, guys.

05:41:40.680 We will be live again tomorrow.

05:41:43.700 So we're going to be live Friday.

05:41:45.180 We're going to be live Saturday.

05:41:46.800 Sunday.

05:41:47.760 Monday.

05:41:48.580 Tuesday.

05:41:49.240 This is going to be the longest stretch of whatever content ever, as far as I'm concerned.

05:41:55.200 Really good debates.

05:41:57.060 We've got a great debate lined up for tomorrow.

05:41:59.360 We've got a great debate Saturday.

05:42:01.020 Great debate Monday.

05:42:02.240 Great dating talk.

05:42:03.160 So be sure to tune in, guys.

05:42:05.080 Great show.

05:42:06.160 Raphael, thank you again for joining me.

05:42:07.580 Really appreciate it, guys.

05:42:08.580 Like the video on the way out, guys.

05:42:09.820 I hope you guys have a good rest of your night.

05:42:12.080 Tune in tomorrow.

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05:42:18.360 So be sure to tune in for the great debate tomorrow.

05:42:20.660 Andrew Wilson will be back.

05:42:22.220 All right, guys.

05:42:22.720 Good night.

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05:42:25.440 Good night, guys.

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