00:11:54.560Okay, well, same question I asked her.
00:11:57.100could you relate to us one or two takeaways or you know things you learned
00:12:04.420from psychology certainly stress is a very big killer a lot of chronic conditions chronic pain
00:12:14.220even diabetes can be exacerbated by stress and I know we hear that all the time but it's the way
00:12:20.920that we deal with things that matters and so you asked her what she took last what class she took
00:12:26.800I took a sensory neuroscience class. Very interesting how the senses work, vision, sight, hearing, taste, working together, you know, to provide our perspectives.
01:19:04.940you also circle that you agree with the following statements men should pay on first dates men
01:19:11.600should provide protect men should be chivalrous um can't a man still love you and not do any of
01:19:18.460those things if he's courting me he should be doing those things well who deserves courtship
01:19:24.300we both do i give my women don't court men well we provide love and softness and kindness sure
01:19:32.260support for whatever they're going through and we still provide a lot of things for men
01:19:38.460I don't think men really care about that stuff so the question is though is you very much care
01:19:46.260about it I believe that uh when it comes to chivalry provide protect paying for dates etc
01:19:54.340only ladies are deserving of that so your unwillingness to do the traditional thing here
01:20:05.540which is take the husband's last name which is traditional a traditional practice when you're
01:20:10.360married now i don't know if this is culturally different if the traditionally in armenia the
01:20:17.240man is the provider yes well do the women take the husband's last name when marrying in armenia
01:20:23.160Yeah, most of the time they do, but it's not like, oh, my God, you're horrible for not doing it.
01:20:27.380Well, that's because men have been beaten down and beaten down and beaten down.0.85
01:20:34.280And if we try to enforce any traditional expectation on the woman, we just get browbeat.0.90
01:20:42.060No, but I want you to expect traditional qualities from me, like taking care of you, like running a household, like taking care of the kids, staying home with them if I need to, if we're okay with one income.0.84
01:20:52.180If we're not okay with one income, I can have the kids.
01:20:55.660Recently, our company's softball team lost the big game by one run.
01:20:59.900Then Dale tried to console us with the quote, winning isn't everything.
01:48:55.780Right. But if she, let's say, stayed home to raise seven kids and she went to a judge and said,0.99
01:49:00.400hey, I forfeited my career. I don't have means of making money to support myself. He promised me
01:49:06.920that you know i'd be taken care of do you think a judge would grant her some sort of protection0.99
01:49:11.220financially since you've been supporting seven kids and her not be on child support no child1.00
01:49:17.780support you can't evade but uh if she if we're not married she can't go to a judge and be like
01:49:25.400well i was a stay at home blah blah blah i want money in addition to child support no
01:49:31.280Now, I would voluntarily, depending on the circumstances of the breakup, I would probably voluntarily support a woman if we were to split.
01:49:41.500And certainly if it was my decision, my decision assuming, you know, maybe I'm the one who is over it.0.73
01:49:49.580Not that I would ever hope that's the case, but I would just voluntarily pay her some money to maybe one year, two year, three year, maybe.0.68
01:50:01.280But this idea that if I've been married to a woman for 10 years, 15 years, say we marry at 20 years old, and we divorce at 35, I could be on the hook for life for the next 30, 40 years.0.95
01:50:15.940I have to pay her money when she's getting fucked by another guy, when she, say she cheated on me.0.97
01:50:25.460I'm not going to pay a woman money in that circumstance.0.99
01:50:29.260yeah I understand the trust issues it makes sense a lot of us have really bad trust issues because
01:50:35.760we've been hurt or just how the world is but can I ask you something yes one response though to the
01:50:41.280trust issues thing I think you're smuggling in there yeah you you presuppose I have trust issues0.98
01:50:46.660yeah uh why can't again why can't I just flip this around on women it's women who don't have1.00
01:50:52.440trust issues. If you're going to be a good girlfriend, life girlfriend, why can't you1.00
01:50:59.140trust me to not get married? I think she can. I think she can, but I think so. Like if I was a
01:51:04.860woman or I am a woman, let's see your penis. She's got big dick energy. If I wanted to be with a man1.00
01:51:18.560and we loved each other and we both wanted children and you know i was devoted and he was
01:51:24.660devoted um i would ask why not that it's a matter of the legal thing protection i would just ask why
01:51:32.080don't you trust me you know i think we're i thought we're in love do you think i would betray you
01:51:36.100eventually and just that knowledge that he doesn't fully fully trust me that it'd be death till you
01:51:41.840do us apart you know that we're in through thick and thin that would definitely be in the back of
01:51:45.600my mind uh okay i understand that that would be in the back of your mind um i guess what i would
01:51:54.440say in response to that is um hold on let me let me process this a little bit here i'm working at
01:52:02.600like 20 brain capacity my face is swelling up from my sinus infection could i ask her a question
01:52:09.060yeah sure um so i guess my question would be what can a man um get out of marriage that he can't get
01:52:18.760from just being in a relationship with you and that might yeah you mean like the legal
01:52:24.960process not just the idea right so what does a man get out of marriage that he can't get
01:52:31.840from just being in a relationship? I would say he would get the woman to feel more secure,
01:52:39.440I guess. But what does the man get? A healthier relationship, potentially, depending on-
01:52:43.880So she's toxic, unless I marry her. But so why does the woman's need for, you said more secure1.00
01:52:50.980relationship, why does the woman's need for security supersede my own? Why do we pedestalize1.00
01:52:57.980and elevate the woman's desires over the man's in this case i feel insecure like there's an
01:53:04.460insecurity if i'm married oh now there's a pot of gold oh you know we have some argument
01:53:12.180and she there's say there's no abuse let me let me ask a couple questions i'm kind of tangent
01:53:18.480tangenting here say there's no abuse i treat the kids well there's no violence she just falls out
01:53:26.800of love that's it but i'm a i'm a good man should she be allowed to divorce me no but she well
01:53:35.480you to think that but she could and there's no law preventing it um but so you're saying
01:53:43.320so she she's fought she's not attracted to me she's fallen out of love with me
01:53:47.740should she divorce me or can't she divorce me i don't think she should have married you and i
01:53:52.460don't think you two should have married i well no no right so things change over time so the
01:53:58.380conditions that existed when we were married uh what's the what's the vows um through thick and
01:54:05.000thin through sickness and health all this the conditions that existed when we were married
01:54:10.360might not exist five years ten years 15 years down the line but again there's no abuse there's
01:54:16.940no mistreatment, um, no violence, anything like that. She's just vaguely unhappy. I'm sure you'd
01:54:25.260be fine with divorce in that instance. I think you should try way harder to work it out. But
01:54:30.120so in my prompt, I said, it's not always a bad idea. Would you agree that some legally married
01:54:35.600couples live their full lives together and die married? Uh, yeah, that's true. Yeah. So was it1.00
01:54:41.740a bad idea for them? Maybe they got tax benefits. The contention here is not that every single
01:54:50.300marriage ends in divorce. That's not the contention. There are people who do get married
01:54:55.300and who stay married and they have happy, otherwise happy relationships throughout the
01:55:00.500course of their entire life. And it's not an issue. However, the divorce rate is not 1%, 2%,
01:55:06.980three percent it's substantial it's the divorce rate is substantial yes and men have a higher
01:55:13.960vested interest in this because the people who end marriages the people who initiate divorces
01:55:20.560it's 80 percent women so it's interesting to me on one hand you might say why are you scared of
01:55:28.240commitment well it's interesting when women do finally get the commitments they so desperately
01:55:34.360want women conveniently end said commitment overwhelmingly women i not just marriage i think
01:55:43.060women overwhelmingly end and relationships women overwhelmingly like and call things off even0.86
01:55:49.080uh not a relationship but it could be short term you know yes first date second date third date0.99
01:55:54.900talking stage situationship women overwhelmingly ends that they end relationships they end1.00
01:55:59.820marriages. So men need to be a bit more cautious because of this, because there's an asymmetry0.82
01:56:06.680in the risks. In addition, if you are in a, perhaps a more traditional dynamic, if you're
01:56:14.620the breadwinner, now women can be breadwinners too, and women can face financial complications0.98
01:56:21.180if they get divorced and they're the breadwinner. I believe that the relationship is less secure
01:56:27.200where and regardless of how secure it is or not if there's marriage if you're married it creates
01:56:36.620an incentive so the incentive becomes like if a girl breaks up with me and she's just my girlfriend
01:56:41.900it's like peace out goodbye depends on how you know if you're living together whatever that can
01:56:48.540entangle things a little bit. But hold on, the sinus is fucking killing me guys. The point I was0.95
01:56:59.280trying to make there is if you're married, the incentive becomes, oh, if I leave him, oh, we had
01:57:07.120an argument. He doesn't agree with me on this XYZ and blah, blah, blah. And I'm nagging him and blah,
01:57:13.760blah blah blah oh now i get a hundred thousand dollars two hundred thousand dollars
01:59:35.200I don't know if he's like Nick Cannon level with the babies and everything.
01:59:38.920But these men choose to have kids with these women, and then they have to be responsible for them.
01:59:44.260Or they choose to get married to them and not have a prenup ahead of time and not have a manager or an accountant or somebody tell them, like, or their lawyer and say, hey, buddy, you might want to check this stuff before you tie the knot.
01:59:56.980You might want to secure some things for yourself because you built those things on your own before she was ever in the picture.
02:00:01.760Well, if you're married for any decent period of time, regardless of the prenuptials and this, you're still in a financial, you have liabilities there financially.
02:00:11.620Of course, especially if it's after 10 years.
02:00:13.340Yes. Community property. A prenup cannot say whoever initiates the divorce, whether it's you,
02:00:21.720whether it's me, a prenup cannot say you get nothing. That will be an unenforceable prenup.
02:00:27.180Right. So this idea, a prenup is not going to, uh, it can help you. Like I said, a little bit.
02:00:33.040Okay. If you were the voter 2 million, maybe you owe her 1.5. The prenups are relevant. Child
02:00:38.160support, whether you're married or not is you're on the hook for child support. So that's separate.
02:01:36.380The guy in California is fucked no matter what for most of divorces.0.99
02:01:40.660In other states, they might have more of an advantage.0.99
02:01:43.620I think that if the shoe was on the other foot for us as women and the majority of men were divorcing us at a really high rate and taking us to court for alimony and child support and everything else, we wouldn't want to get married as much.0.99
02:02:04.440now that sounds like it makes sense but what i'm saying is women wouldn't want to get married as
02:02:11.640much so if that was the case then that kind of backs up that women are getting married because
02:02:19.700there is something to gain financially for them of course yeah that's going to be their their0.54
02:02:26.300first like um yes so men are saying they don't want to get married because women are looking at
02:02:35.080it as more of a business transaction yes thing rather than all of these things like being sacred
02:02:40.940and i care because i have sons as well i don't just have daughters i have sons and they have to
02:02:48.180marry somebody and this is what they're up against out there in the world right and but also as
02:02:54.840parents we need to teach our daughters and sons yes all of these things which i do mold them a
02:03:00.360little bit better maybe make better choices than we did when we were younger whether it's our
02:03:05.120friends drug use bad decisions or whatever who you choose to marry or just even be in a relationship
02:03:10.940with right and i just think like okay you could still have a very meaningful uh relationship with
02:03:18.820someone perhaps live with them perhaps have a child or two any and all of the above and still
02:03:24.700be very devoted without necessarily giving your name or signing a marriage license you could still
02:03:30.780be very loyal loving and devoted for many many years without that piece of paper and do you
02:03:35.960think the majority of women would be okay with staying with a man for that long without him
02:03:40.940marrying her um because it probably not a majority but that's but that's shifting a lot now after a
02:03:48.420lot of women are going through their first divorce their their mindset and what they're okay with and
02:03:55.400what type of lifestyle they would want is shifting a little bit at least from what I see I'm not
02:04:00.840saying a drastic uh shift but also a lot of women and men just get married because their culture
02:04:07.260enforces it because time is running out biological clock is ticking they feel pressured they've been
02:04:12.380with someone for five years she's like well when are you gonna marry me and it's just like there's
02:04:16.880so many things yeah and that's what i'm saying it's like if women weren't wanting to like be
02:04:22.000the ones to like get married i don't think that there would be a lot of marriages right um because
02:04:29.240again like i asked what do you guys think that men do get out of marrying a woman that they
02:04:35.900wouldn't get from a relationship and it can't be things like love and respect and because you
02:04:41.760should be doing that in a relationship no matter what so men ultimately they would get a woman
02:04:49.920that they can trust that if he dies all of his hard work she's going to do the right thing with0.79
02:04:57.280it that's basically the only thing that he can get out of he could get a will he could get a he
02:05:02.600could get a um a trust made a will made to to regulate that without a marriage license i mean
02:05:10.560he can but the they don't look at it the same as I personally don't want to stay at home do all the
02:05:19.500things that I picture as I would do in a marriage I don't want to do this man's laundry make sure
02:05:24.580he's fed make sure he's good after work make sure he has the support he needs make sure everything
02:05:28.760else his family his mom is all good if I'm not marrying him then what's the difference between
02:05:32.740a man that I'm just with and then a man I'm marrying if there is no difference that I would
02:05:37.640do those things not just in a relationship with anybody but with my right and so what I'm saying
02:05:45.140is like I don't think that men shouldn't marry women I'm saying that my daughters I want them
02:05:53.780to be women that men genuinely want to marry and that my sons are going to be men that you know
02:06:04.220women are not going to take advantage of and want to marry just for financial reasons and
02:06:12.660you know vice versa it seems like the courts are giving a lot of trouble and the the way that the1.00
02:06:19.020law is maybe set up is is not working for everybody yeah yeah it's very one-sided women0.97
02:06:25.440get a lot more yeah but do you see like all these things that we're talking about that
03:26:27.920I would say, but if we look at other countries, is there a country that exists where men have to cover their entire body and cannot speak in public?
03:28:58.160No, so I mean obviously like having an experience as a man, I don't think I would say, like I suppose I enjoy being a man in the same way that you women, I assume,
03:29:07.680enjoy being women i don't think most of you would opt to change into being men
03:29:12.180maybe being a woman i would maybe you would right so what i'm talking about there like
03:29:16.720i i would rather i suppose potentially there could be an argument to be made to
03:29:22.800have these social restrictions that the women experience in afghanistan as compared to like
03:29:28.160the restrictions that men face or the expectations or burdens or duties that men face in these
03:29:34.020countries. So, but if we're talking about like Western countries, I don't think you're going to
03:29:38.620make a convincing argument that women are oppressed. I agree. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But yeah,
03:29:43.420I mean, I would look at it in the totality of the circumstances. Um, so while women do have a,1.00
03:29:51.040uh, lacking of rights, let's say in certain countries,
03:29:56.540what are the negatives for the men in those countries? And let's compare.
03:30:01.820um i'm not really sure about like the laws for men and women all i know basically is that you
03:30:10.520know there's a high violence against women um and that they don't have rights like they're
03:30:15.380considered property of their husbands by law and so they're not allowed to dance sing in public
03:30:21.260have their face body covered that's basically all i could tell you and i would say in that
03:30:26.840specific concentration of countries that are like that it appears that the women are suffering quite
03:30:32.820a bit by the laws and at the hands of men but globally i don't have a way to tally uh what's0.99
03:30:38.920worse well in a lot of these countries it's actually the the women women themselves that0.91
03:30:43.380enforce a lot of this stuff uh for example um somewhat separate from your example your example0.96
03:30:51.580of like afghanistan uh countries where female genital mutilation is practiced it's actually
03:30:58.060not so much the men that uphold this at least compared to it's the the women the women in the
03:31:05.780tribe or the village or whatever they perpetuate perpetrate the female genital mutilation on the
03:31:12.280women really yes that's horrible that's that's how it is so some of these customs are are actually0.83
03:31:20.020um like women who and you might say they're brainwashed but like women who have to wear0.85
03:31:26.860the hijab or women who have to wear a niqab or women who have to wear a burqa uh some of these
03:31:34.420women they were like this is part of my religion this is part of my modesty right um i'm not
03:31:41.700personally a fan of that whole thing but uh i don't think they necessarily some of them probably0.99
03:31:48.620surely do think it's oppressive and they may very well be right but I think some of them probably
03:31:56.020willingly participate in what you would consider their own oppression so I think some of them would1.00
03:32:03.140but I don't know there's a lot of riots in Iraq where women were pulling off their hijab and0.93
03:32:08.240burning them and they're put to death for it so there's not like no backlash towards it there1.00
03:32:12.580definitely is I would agree with like some of them probably do choose to do it but like just
03:32:16.400the fact that it's law and you suffer for it not doing it that's just well you also have to
03:32:21.960acknowledge that most of many of these countries they're they are not all the same even if they're
03:32:27.680islamic so iraq um i believe going back to the 60s and 70s it was not a theocracy at the time there
03:32:36.420was a essentially a coup and the radical islamist came into power and so if you look at photos from
03:32:44.720or sorry not Iraq Iran sorry that's what I meant uh Iran if you look at photos from like the 50s0.84
03:32:50.92060s uh 50s 60s I believe 70s I forgot the exact uh time but they looked American like they dressed
03:33:00.000kind of an American style so I don't know uh but we can go to like okay there are places in the
03:33:07.540world but is it your position that in western countries do you think that women are uh oppressed
03:33:16.900no oh okay all right well nothing on that then not oppressed in okay oh you think they are
03:33:24.060you think they are western like what country like the u.s like europe oh okay western culture
03:33:31.640maybe not i thought you were talking about like islamic countries oh
03:33:36.000no we're talking about like the united states and most of europe and australia and yeah uh okay0.73
03:33:45.800you think it is harmful we sort of talked about this a little bit but i feel like we can
03:33:51.020finish it up harmful for the host to discourage men from wanting
03:33:55.080men to to getting married for to discourage men from wanting to getting married yeah i i
03:34:01.580think that we talked about that you're talking like strictly legal i would say like committing
03:34:06.820your life and devoting uh your life to a family um i don't think that we should be so cynical
03:34:13.160and saying all women will betray you i don't think yeah you don't need to sign legal papers i think
03:34:18.400but i think being married is nice if it's someone you love and you want to have a family like it
03:34:24.380doesn't have to be papers maybe just make it like well my position is not so i i think you can have
03:34:31.020children with a woman i think you can stay with her your entire life you don't have to marry her
03:34:36.540though so i'm not discouraging the family i'm not discouraging having children i'm not discouraging
03:34:43.080having serious long-term lifelong uh bonds with a woman but the marriage component which is a
03:34:52.280really a legal component by the way are you christian or religious no i'm not religious
03:34:59.740Well, in Christianity, marriage is between man and woman.
03:36:06.540But, like, why do you feel that you need, like, that approval of showing to your family, like, we're getting married and we're choosing each other?
03:55:51.960Right. I feel quite sorry for them. I think it's really hard because there's a lot of innocence involved, but just like anything, any wars, any things in the world will involve suffering.1.00
03:56:05.020And I personally think that the same way every other country defends their borders and their nation, then I think that there should be some way to maybe help the illegal people who are proven to be productive to society and maybe have them pay taxes.
03:56:31.700but also the government i feel like they let them flood in like they almost encourage it like the
03:56:36.500biden administration encouraged basically because they knew we're trying to undo that yeah i know
03:56:41.320we're trying to undo it i think it's just sad for them but like at the end of the day like
03:56:44.520yeah but if like 97 of these illegal immigrants they're not committing other crime you know0.77
03:56:50.800they're not doing violence or you know stealing or whatever and they have a job and they're0.53
03:56:57.100otherwise like basically a productive person or whatever notwithstanding like the you know the
03:57:04.580the health care that they're stealing or the uh the benefits that they're getting that have an0.99
03:57:11.460economic impact on the taxpayer uh this is like the the bulk of the illegal immigrants i think1.00
03:57:18.700are probably good people they're probably good people they just want to work they're not going0.96
03:57:23.680get into trouble but this is so many people and there are economic impacts even if they're good
03:57:31.760so we still need to deport them would you want to deport someone who has never been on any form of
03:57:40.700financial assistance uh from the government you don't care like if they take somebody to society
03:57:46.140and they're paying taxes like what they pay taxes i'm i'm more motivated to deport the people who
03:57:50.980are who are drawing from like our social safety nets and and our um what's it called uh
03:57:58.220welfare i guess i don't know uh those should perhaps be prioritized but they all have to go
03:58:05.540would you let them re-enter like legally and they're going through probably not
03:58:10.420no because they basically snuck in so they're not allowed back in then yeah i mean maybe you
03:58:16.420could do. Like, I mean, I also have some like limitations. I have some views as to not fully
03:58:23.180limiting, but limiting even legal immigration. There could be some case that after a period of
03:58:29.26010 years, they could try to apply to come here legally. But if you've broken a law, then yeah,
03:58:35.320you should probably be barred. You should be punished by not being allowed to attempt to
03:58:41.440legally immigrate to the United States. What about the children who are born in the U.S. from1.00
03:58:46.100Well, we're fucked because birthright citizenship, which is super retarded, as the law currently stands, they are technically legally citizens, which I think is retarded and I think should be done away with.1.00
03:59:04.380But as it currently stands, yeah, technically they're citizens.1.00
04:01:25.080uh show stream yard and sources sorry guys uh okay so i don't know you're probably more liberal
04:01:40.760i guess um you wanted to when you were 16 you briefly dated a woman who was 21 she had a
04:01:50.680boyfriend who was older and also had a sugar daddy who was like 80 uh they glorified a promiscuous
04:01:56.420lifestyle doing all sorts of group activities while you're basically monogamous to her
04:02:00.340on your end at the time and that experience skewed your idea of what healthy sexuality is
04:02:05.880yeah that messed me up like thinking all that like lifestyle was like good yeah you were 16
04:02:11.600and she was 21 that's here in california yeah i mean anywhere that's kind of questionable but
04:02:18.460yeah that's pretty that's like a crime i guess probably i didn't know that like i was like so
04:02:26.280brainwashed i thought like oh she's a girl like it's awesome now the they were having sex in front0.58
04:02:32.160of you no no like like like i was basically dating her i guess like we would hook up but0.87
04:02:38.060then she also had a boyfriend of her own and she also had like a sugar daddy okay yeah you wanted
04:02:42.700to speak on the gender wars like misandry and misogyny yeah i mean i just think there's a lot
04:02:48.060of divide like i i know i was a kind of an angry feminist in high school um i mean for obvious
04:02:53.300reasons kind of the culture like a huge divide and then like yeah a lot of the boys at my school0.89
04:02:58.100were scumbags basically like just not respecting girls privacy and yeah i mean but what what is0.88
04:03:07.720the gender war with yeah so so like misogyny do you think i'm a misogynist no i don't think so0.99
04:03:15.260but okay yeah so you acknowledge that there's like crazy man-hating feminists yeah and you
04:03:23.280think that there's also men who hate women there's too many of them on both sides there's too many
04:03:27.380crazies in the landscape of just online but also just dating just like it's just i actually think
04:03:33.660uh on this particular thing the women are worse yeah i mean i think that like i don't know how0.57
04:03:42.320to measure it but like the women are pretty bad i was pretty awful like before i enlightened myself1.00
04:03:48.640well like if you look at what's accepted on social media and tiktok like tiktok is if you
04:03:55.480are misogynistic and to be clear i'm not saying misogyny is good if you say something misogynistic
04:04:02.420on tiktok you're gonna get banned you're gonna get flagged people are gonna attack you it's not
04:04:09.380loud on tiktok if you say like the most and it could be really benign pretty benign sort of
04:04:15.940misogyny like um i don't know it can be not advocating for like hatred of women but you know0.63
04:04:23.060uh you know misogynistic jokes like uh shut up get in the kitchen woman something like that right1.00
04:04:28.520women can literally just say i hate men men suck men are trash i'd rather it'd be better to live1.00
04:04:35.280without men not a problem on tiktok like it's completely allowed uh so i think it's a i think1.00
04:04:44.420these are both problems but i'd have to say massage uh misandry is way worse uh tiktok
04:04:51.280especially is like a breeding ground for like liberal brain rot like i feel like it's honestly
04:04:56.600being controlled by someone who's really trying to like brainwash tiktok viewers i don't know i
04:05:02.140could be um ick list when men try to back brag about their sex life and share intimate details
04:05:08.140that violate their partner's privacy we kind of talked about that before
04:05:11.620uh you said when men use guilt as a tool to extort sexual affection
04:05:17.000what do you mean by that yeah like if a guy's like do you even love me you don't even give0.99
04:05:23.400me blowjobs every single day matthew's girlfriend loves him because she gives him blowjobs like0.99
04:05:28.860three times a day. You don't even love me. You're a piece of shit. Okay. So I would, I would agree1.00
04:05:34.660that that's wrong. That's the wrong way to, you know, go about, you know, if there's a mismatch
04:05:42.340in a sexual appetite, there's ways to communicate that that are, uh, appropriate. But, um, my
04:05:51.580question to you is, um, so I, well, first off, like anything sex should be mutually enthusiastic.
04:05:58.860stick um i guess we sort of brought it up say somebody's dating a woman and say she's pushing
04:06:06.500for a relationship and she wants the monogamy and the guy agrees we sort of talked she regularly
04:06:13.080turns him down for sex would you categorize it as guilt or otherwise consider it wrong
04:06:21.320if a man had a conversation with his girlfriend like
04:06:24.980hey i respect your boundaries um never force you to do anything i'm not being sexually satisfied
04:06:33.940um if things continue like this i think we should break up or i want to leave is that
04:06:42.600guilt tripping or no that is a really honest communication that's very respectable in my
04:06:49.520opinion because i've seen some of these like sexual violence organizations who will categorize
04:06:57.940like grape uh they consider it coercion if you're dating a woman and you've you've had consensual
04:07:08.100sex with her and let's say there's a mismatch on the sexual appetite if you say look in in
04:07:18.800essence this we're not having enough sex i'm gonna break up with you they would consider that0.78
04:07:25.540coercive i don't know if anyone here feels that that's coercive or if that's fair0.77
04:07:31.620it's corrosive i don't know what that means i think it's pretty fair well you said guilt tripping
04:07:39.660yeah no i i think that well it's sad but i don't think it's unfair yeah it's like sad but like
04:07:46.740well logically it's okay like so coercive means using force intimidation threats or pressure
04:07:53.240to compel someone to act against their will or surrender their independence
04:07:58.100so sexual now sexual coercion might be coercion definition
04:08:04.440sexual coercion is the act of pressuring tricking or manipulating someone into
04:08:11.920unwanted sexual activity against their will it relies on non-physical tactics such as guilt
04:08:18.460persistent asking persistent asking threats to end a relationship or intoxication
04:08:27.340so that part there such as guilt persistent asking threats to end a relationship
04:08:35.220so that's the dilemma there with the threats to end a relationship
04:08:41.320what what do like is it threatening to end a relationship if you tell your girlfriend
04:08:49.280hey you wanted monogamy you wanted to be in a relationship with me0.87
04:08:54.580we've been having sex but i want more sex and if she does if she has a different uh libido that's1.00
04:09:05.440totally fine and maybe the right call is split up find somebody who matches or maybe can there be0.96
04:09:12.800compromise you know there's definitely options maybe he doesn't yeah maybe he doesn't you know0.99
04:09:20.200well whatever but they think like if you if okay if if your girlfriend isn't fucking you0.97
04:09:27.660and you're like okay well i'm breaking up with you and she's like oh uh well no no no it's okay1.00
04:09:34.180we can have sex and you fuck her they want to say that's rape what yes sexual coercion they want to1.00
04:09:40.880say if your girlfriend who used to fuck you stops fucking you and then you you tell her you don't1.00
04:09:47.780force her you just say okay well i'm breaking up with you and you can do that in a more diplomatic1.00
04:09:55.760way or you can be like kind of frustrated straight up i'm breaking up with you it's over and then1.00
04:10:01.700she's like no no no no actually no no no uh okay i'm gonna work on it and then she fucks you0.98
04:10:07.300some of these people some of these people say it's rape that's crazy because at the end of the0.99
04:10:12.780day it's not forceful she made the decision she's choosing she's the one that's laying up0.99
04:10:16.960and getting fucked it's not like if there was forceful physical like then that's different0.92
04:10:22.880But also, too, like, if you're with a man that's, like, not a fucking weirdo, and you're just like, yeah, okay, like, I'll do it then, and you're just like, okay, let's do it.0.99
04:10:36.400Like, a man that's, like, loves you isn't going to be like, yeah, I don't want to fuck somebody that's making this feel like rape.0.98
04:10:45.780Like, I'm telling you because I want you to feel like doing it more.0.97
04:10:50.080And sometimes we, as women, like we do just kind of get wrapped up in, you know, life and stuff like that.
04:10:55.720And, and a reminder, like, you know, a conversation, sometimes we're like, oh yeah, you know what?
04:13:57.660I do want to come back to what we were talking about, though, which is in that situation, though, like what if the woman is feigning faking enthusiasm?
04:14:07.860I think a man can tell when a woman's faking enthusiasm.
04:14:12.400I mean, sometimes I would hope so.1.00
04:14:14.940Wait, but like, I guess if you're married and in a relationship to this person, you can kind of tell, like, even with a man, you're like, are you okay?
04:14:22.400are good actors i guess but but no i mean it's like but in assume the guy he's either naive or
04:14:31.940the woman's just very convincing and she's feigning the enthusiasm so she's going through the motions
04:14:37.560but like internally she's checked out right you can only pretend for so long no but i'm saying1.00
04:14:43.220does that constitute like a sex crime if the man has sex with her no no no but some feminists some1.00
04:14:51.500women will say that this is sexual coercion i looked up the google definition threatening to
04:14:57.800break up and it's like well hold on what i don't understand like what i don't know that's confusing0.96
04:15:06.740threats to end a relationship if the woman doesn't fuck was it communication i used to think that0.92
04:15:13.460though well okay well just i think they mean threat in a sense of like saying you want to0.99
04:15:19.600leave the relationship as a threat which is kind of crazy because when i think of a threat i'm
04:15:23.420thinking like somebody's like i'm gonna fuck you up if you don't do this yeah well not like hey i0.67
04:15:29.200want to leave the relationship i'm like i mean they're just telling you they want to leave the0.97
04:15:33.120relationship i don't think that's a threat well yeah but the threat yeah threat to end a relationship
04:15:37.500it would it could just be i think using the word threat and end a relationship in the same sentence
04:15:44.360is crazy it doesn't even make sense it doesn't make sense um that's like saying like i'm
04:15:49.560threatening to leave you in a relationship like that's wild like the person's just
04:15:54.220wants to leave the relationship unless they're like okay if you have intentional like you're
04:16:00.120only telling someone i'm gonna leave you to like manipulate them to like chase you
04:16:04.840more manipulation than a threat yeah like i feel like it's not a threat would be like i'm not gonna0.82
04:16:11.100you know let you leave this room or feed until you have sex with me like that's a threat that's
04:16:18.140crazy now that should be like okay that's wrong but I feel like you can look at it more as like0.96
04:16:22.840a manipulation tactic but not even then yeah a threatening to end a relationship that's that
04:16:29.100I don't think that's categorized as a threat in any way it's a form of manipulation but it's not
04:16:34.520a threat or i mean it it could be manipulation especially if it's a bluff like and well i mean
04:16:43.740in their terms if they want to say like put a label on it but in logical terms just saying hey
04:16:53.160i feel like i want to end this relationship because you're not having sex with me that's
04:16:57.140not manipulative and that's not a threat that's just saying how you feel it was being you know
04:17:03.280they might still categorize that as a threat to end the relationship i mean you can categorize
04:17:09.700anything nowadays and there's like but they want to say that that's rape it's definitely not if0.99
04:17:17.160your girlfriend isn't fucking you and you say hey we're not having sex i'm gonna break up with you1.00
04:17:25.340and then she's like no no no no don't do it okay i'll fuck and then you fuck there are people1.00
04:17:32.100who will say that she's raped okay well then both of them need to be grown-ass adults and sit there1.00
04:17:37.360and be like are you sure you actually want to have sex with me are you only having sex with me0.99
04:17:41.600because i want to leave this relationship because my sexual desires aren't being met it's like bro0.78
04:17:45.840these are like like if they have common sense if two people are in the situation and you have
04:17:51.140common sense you'll know how to like logically talk about this i i feel like that's uh all the
04:17:57.780tension's coming from a lack of sex no you guys need to have sex maybe you'll communicate better0.99
04:18:04.760high schoolers having the sex oh it's like they're hormones like they want to fuck0.99
04:18:09.720that's that's usually the case because i've had a boyfriend before that's like oh if you don't1.00
04:18:14.280fuck me you know i'm gonna go find someone else okay bye well what if they threaten to cheat on0.99
04:18:19.500you is that worse or better than leaving you worse i don't think it's actually no no but like that's1.00
04:18:26.300worse that's worse okay i'm gonna cheat on you and go sleep with someone else if you don't sleep1.00
04:18:31.260with me at that point it's like okay now you either as a woman like so grow some balls and0.99
04:18:36.760be like okay if you're gonna cheat on me bye i don't know i'm just how would you guys feel if1.00
04:18:41.000the role was reversed and your man wasn't having sex with you but you really wanted to have sex0.99
04:18:47.200can you like the like so it's like in front of you i feel like these are all logical ass like0.98
04:18:54.180if you have logic if you think based off with this is my thing I I want to bring this up before I0.87
04:18:59.540forget I feel like women think I mean women act based off their emotion versus logically and like0.98
04:19:06.620if you have logic and you're logically thinking about these things and your man tells you I'm0.99
04:19:11.120gonna cheat on you if you don't sleep with me why in the hell are you gonna stay with someone like
04:19:15.460that what be like actually hell no bye but no it's like well that hurt my feelings and that like why1.00
04:19:23.440would just girl like girl's fucking balls and leave his ass like i don't know i just don't put1.00
04:19:28.380up with shit i just don't put up with shit and it's like i don't even feel bad a lot of the times1.00
04:19:33.160for like girls or whatever like that keep like like going over the same soppy story it's like1.00
04:19:40.100i can't even feel sorry for you because you keep putting yourself in that situation leave go and
04:19:45.740it's not that easy to leave i understand that but it's like come on so if you guys were in
04:19:51.740that situation and you were really wanting to have sex with your partner and he didn't really
04:19:57.260want to have sex with you your all of your guys's options would be to leave or cheat no no not no
04:20:04.360no no communicate firstly then after that like take some kind of precautions like0.98
04:20:09.420but like your first initials are like leave no i don't think i would i think it's a really hard
04:20:16.700position to be in like i've honestly been in that position where like you know like he wanted to do
04:20:21.720it way more but like i like i guess it was excruciatingly painful but like i just didn't
04:20:26.420want him to leave so i would like go through like excruciating pain basically just to like
04:20:31.260satisfying him which is like honestly really sad that it's like that so it's not like it's not easy
04:20:37.860just be like okay let's just break up because like you love a person you want to please them
04:20:41.300it hurts but it's like all right i gotta move on um you say you have an issue with men who
04:20:48.440abandon their children um that's if they vowed to uh have the children that they wanted them
04:20:54.940from the get-go and before then like with the women like yeah i want to have these kids with1.00
04:20:59.620you i'll take care of them we're going to be a family and then they did oh okay so you're not0.96
04:21:03.920talking about a situation where a guy has one night stands with a girl and she gets pregnant1.00
04:21:10.240and she keeps it he's like i don't okay that's messed up okay uh men manipulating women by
04:21:18.140faking feelings just to extort sex yeah so like i knew someone who basically like had a joke with
04:21:25.740his friends that he was gonna like i guess pretend to have feelings for this girl who like him just0.97
04:21:32.480as a bet to see if he could take her virginity and then dump her right after oh no yeah so i'd
04:21:38.780say this is wrong um i think men if you you shouldn't lie about your intentions0.98
04:21:45.100if you're not looking for a long-term thing and the girl is in order to get her to have sex with
04:21:52.600you uh i think it's wrong to lie about that um how does situation like that this is common i think
04:22:00.500men uh not all men but men will commonly lie about their intentions have sex leave um so
04:22:09.960uh the the virgin thing though i don't know how common that actually is um anecdotally i guess0.99
04:22:19.860like also um a virgin you keep her around not this guy but he didn't just fuck a virgin1.00
04:22:30.220once and then toss her to the side that's stupid they're a piece of shit and they just have a1.00
04:22:35.880shitty mindset well sure i just brought through to him well yeah but i mean exactly in her example1.00
04:22:43.280she was saying i assume there was nothing wrong with the woman he just wanted to take her virginity0.92
04:22:48.240and dip and he didn't he failed so oh okay he did on her but he tried i apparently i don't know
04:36:32.620if you get a bbl do you have a i do and okay i actually don't hate oh yeah regret it she regrets
04:36:41.080it and i did it not for myself you know because we as women can be like yes i'm doing it for myself
04:36:50.820you know i did this but i mean a big majority of us are doing it because like she said you want to
04:36:58.500walk down the street you want men to be like oh that baddie and you know stuff like that and it's
04:37:03.660like you know we we do it for like what we think is the male gaze when men have been telling us
04:37:12.440we like natural we prefer this we prefer that and we're like no you know but you know that whole
04:37:19.520term like it's kind of like controversial like I don't do it for men I do it for me like I feel
04:37:25.300like i'm in the middle of that like obviously i get ready and i want to look good so like
04:37:30.420you know i look appealing but also like when i like even go down the street to 7-eleven and i
04:37:37.400look like shit i'm like oh hell no like i feel so like don't look at me but is the shouldn't we0.62
04:37:43.080have you ever stopped to investigate why it is you feel the way you do why is it that now look1.00
04:37:52.860I don't think that there's some conspiracy necessarily from these cosmetic industries like, okay, we want to make women feel insecure so we can push our bullshit fucking products.0.98
04:38:03.280But does it ever occur to you to think, why do I think the things that I think and feel the things that I feel?0.99