Whatever Podcast - Charlie Kirk DESTROYS Whatever Podcast FULL VIDEO #1

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating

00:00:04.560 hellscape. Thanks for tuning in tonight. We're going to have the guests introduce themselves,

00:00:08.720 so please tell us your name, age, location, so where you're from, and occupation. Go ahead.

00:00:14.260 Hi, my name is Sophia. I'm 21 and I'm from Chicago. I am a streamer and I do a lot of

00:00:21.020 social media influencing. All right, welcome. Hi, my name is Erin, aka StraighterAid. I'm

00:00:28.300 originally from South Texas, but now based in Miami Beach. I'm 25 and I work for Progressive

00:00:33.340 Victory, which is a PAC dedicated to helping get progressive politicians elected to office.

00:00:38.780 All right, welcome back. Hi, I'm Savannah. I'm 20, my birthday just happened, 26.

00:00:46.360 I'm 26. I'm from LA and I'm a clothing designer slash model. Okay, welcome. Hi, I'm Pixie. I'm 24.

00:00:56.940 I currently live in Miami, but I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. I also work with Progressive

00:01:02.540 Victory and the streaming operations, helping connect streamers to legislators to help pass

00:01:07.740 progressive legislation. So, yeah, here I am. All right, welcome back. Hi, I'm Angel. I'm 19.

00:01:14.540 I do social media and I am a piercing apprentice. Okay, got it. Hi, I'm Tina Snows. I'm from Dublin,

00:01:21.200 Ireland. I'm 25. I'm a content creator on social media, on OnlyFans. I also work with productions

00:01:28.400 on adult movies and I'm also involved in influencer boxing scene and I've just started streaming on

00:01:35.440 Twitch. You do any boxing yourself or you're just involved in the promotion? I've only just started

00:01:39.480 training. I took it up two months ago because I've already done the ring girl. I've done ring walks.

00:01:43.860 So, I'm taking up to training now and seeing where I can go. Maybe 2024, you'll see me fighting in

00:01:48.180 the ring. Who knows? Got it. Okay. Hi, I'm Molly Little. I'm 20 and I'm a porn star and I do OnlyFans.

00:02:00.000 I'm Charlie. I'm Charlie Kirk. Honored to be here and I run Turning Point USA and also host a podcast,

00:02:06.740 The Charlie Kirk Show and have a YouTube channel and all that good stuff. Sweet. From Arizona.

00:02:10.680 Age? I just turned 30, so I'm getting too old for this stuff. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, okay.

00:02:16.420 30. I'm 30. When was your birthday? October. Oh, yeah. Great. So, what we're going to do is we're

00:02:21.820 going to go around the table once more. What is everyone's current relationship status? So,

00:02:27.020 are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married,

00:02:31.120 polycule? How long have you been single? If you're single, what's the longest relationship

00:02:36.120 that you've ever been in? Starting with you, go ahead. I am single. I've been single for about,

00:02:41.980 I would say, four months now and the longest relationship I've had would probably be a year.

00:02:48.240 All right. I am taken. I'm in a relationship with my boyfriend, like in Cook's, and we've been

00:02:54.100 together for five months and this is my longest relationship and my first relationship. Congrats.

00:02:58.380 There you go. I am in a relationship. What was the other question?

00:03:05.760 What is your longest? Oh, longest. Two and a half years. I'm single, like Pringle. I'm looking to date.

00:03:13.900 My longest relationship was like three to four years. You said longest relationship was three

00:03:18.940 to four years? Yeah. And is this a new relationship for you? Okay, because I think last time you were

00:03:23.280 on, you were not in a, okay, got it. So how new is this? Like a month or so? Oh, if you can,

00:03:30.620 can you scoot into the table just a tad? Oh, is there no space? That's fine. How new is the

00:03:36.260 relationship? Not even a month. Okay. Can I have you scoot your microphone that way just a tad?

00:03:41.980 No, other way. Oh, yep. Perfect. What about you? I'm single. I've been single for a year and my

00:03:47.820 longest relationship was a year and a half. All right. I've been single for about two years.

00:03:53.280 A little bit over two years. My longest relationship is between six months and a year.

00:03:59.220 Yeah. And they usually always kept with that. I've only had like three relationships and

00:04:02.220 they never last longer than that. I get bored too easily, I guess. You get bored too easily.

00:04:06.560 I think. I don't know. And you said from six months to a year, you seem a little uncertain

00:04:13.220 about the length of your longest relationship. Is that a bit hazy in the sense of, was it on

00:04:18.420 again, off again? Is that kind of what you're... It wasn't really on and off, but it was kind of

00:04:23.000 like we dated for six months and then we were in a relationship for a couple more months.

00:04:27.060 So the total kind of being in a situation and dating and stuff can be up to a year.

00:04:31.940 Yeah. Okay. Molly, what about you? I'm in a relationship. It's been 10 months and my

00:04:37.860 longest relationship is about a year. All right. Charlie, what about you?

00:04:42.320 Happily married. Okay. We've been together for five years and we'll be celebrating our three-year

00:04:47.420 anniversary in May and we have a beautiful daughter. All right. Well, I think, you know,

00:04:53.380 you're being the only married person here. I think that's perhaps a good jumping off point.

00:04:57.300 I think a lot of people, both men and women, they're kind of frustrated with the current

00:05:00.880 dating landscape. Do you have any thoughts on this? What's your diagnosis and any solutions?

00:05:08.240 And we'll go, we'll open it up. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think people need to date with

00:05:13.420 the intent to marry. Yeah. I'm a big critic of hookup culture in its current form. I believe

00:05:18.660 sex should be sacred and is sacred. And it's, it's really way thrown away, way too generously

00:05:23.900 in this society and culture. And I can tell you, I'm super blessed. I have the best wife in the

00:05:28.280 world. We have an amazing life. Building a family is the coolest thing ever. And I, my prayer for all

00:05:34.080 of you is that you one day can do that. It's, it's honestly the most joyful thing. And I, you know,

00:05:40.380 I've had some pretty amazing experiences. I've been very, very blessed, very lucky. You could

00:05:44.000 say, but very blessed is the word I would use. And the greatest joy I've ever had is coming home

00:05:48.020 to my little daughter running up to my leg. There's nothing that even comes close to it. Not

00:05:52.100 flying on air force one, not meeting with presidents. That's all that pales in comparison

00:05:57.160 to your little girl coming up and squeezing your leg. Okay. Got it. Uh, does anybody else have

00:06:04.640 any thoughts on that with, uh, you know? Yeah. So I just wanted to circle back because you said

00:06:10.060 something that caught my attention and I disagree with it. Um, because you said something like, um,

00:06:16.780 I hope all of you can like experience that. And like, you said something like, I hope all of you

00:06:21.540 can experience that. And I mean, I don't disagree with that. I hope we can all experience joy in life

00:06:26.740 like that. That's amazing. But I just feel like, I don't know why you said it that way. Like maybe

00:06:34.660 we're not going to experience that because we don't have the same values as you.

00:06:40.720 Is that what he said from that? I don't, I don't think that's, that's not the impression I got,

00:06:45.960 but I'll, if Charlie wants to answer it. Well, if I said it that way, I didn't mean it that way.

00:06:49.160 Um, but do you feel in, is that a goal that you have to be a mother? Uh, okay. The P star is giving

00:07:01.440 Charlie a covert. Whoa. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. All right. Uh, moving on. No, but, but Molly,

00:07:08.380 do you think that keep it? Is that okay? No, no, no. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Is that,

00:07:12.720 is that a goal that you would want for in your life to, to be a mother? 100%. Okay. Do you

00:07:18.960 think that in your self-described current line of work, that that is, is more or less likely?

00:07:26.380 What do you mean by likely? Like,

00:07:28.700 I mean, maybe you can tell me more about your, your line of work.

00:07:35.520 What would you like to know? Um, do you think that it's going to create a, a good, happy family in the

00:07:44.480 future? Um, right now I'm working on it. Yeah. Me and my, uh, boyfriend are doing really well in

00:07:52.080 our relationship. And honestly, I think contrary to what most people would believe, I think, um,

00:07:59.240 being in porn has strengthened us. What, why is that? I, I, I've, I've never heard that. I'm,

00:08:05.080 yeah. What, can you tell me why? So basically like being in porn and having sort of like this

00:08:14.020 open type of relationship where you can have sex with other people. Um, obviously there are certain

00:08:19.920 boundaries in the relationship, but it really makes you think about, um, you know, what's important,

00:08:25.860 why you love this person. And, you know, you start to really hold things true that are deeper than

00:08:31.840 just sex. And I think that on top of that, you can share sex with other people together. And

00:08:38.120 that's really bonding. That's really fun. Are you ever worried that you, do you ever get jealous of

00:08:44.520 him if he has sex with other people? Yeah. Oh, you do. Yeah. So how does that strengthen your

00:08:49.320 relationship? Um, because we're able to talk about it. And I think every time that I bring up a concern

00:08:55.920 and he's able to soothe it and we're really able to like work on that bond, it just makes it stronger.

00:09:03.200 Have you ever, when you were having sex, do you ever think it's more than physical?

00:09:08.360 That maybe there's emotional and spiritual connections you might be introducing? No.

00:09:13.860 So it's a purely physical experience? Yeah. See, for me, sex is more than physical. It's actually,

00:09:20.580 that's the least part of sex for me because I get to share it with my soulmate.

00:09:23.820 It's my best friend. It's definitely a big energy exchange. Yeah. It's a big energy exchange. And

00:09:29.080 so Molly, I would ask respectfully, you know, wouldn't you want to only share that energy exchange

00:09:34.580 with the person that you love most and want to have children with? Um, I think sex can exchange

00:09:41.580 different types of energies. So like you can exchange an intimate type of energy or you can exchange a

00:09:47.100 really passionate, like horny type of energy. You can exchange dull energy during sex. You can

00:09:53.020 exchange manipulative energy during sex. Sex can be used for a wide variety of things. And

00:10:01.560 I think the biggest one is like marital spiritual connection, but you can't deny that there's other

00:10:10.480 benefits to it as well. If you, if you could never, if you could be with your boyfriend currently and I

00:10:16.220 waved a magic wand and I said, you can make a million dollars a year and never do porn again.

00:10:20.060 Would you? No. Okay. Okay. Okay. What? Are you making more than that a year, Molly?

00:10:31.560 Uh, not yet. Oh, well then, I mean, aren't you doing that? That's your profession. So I assume

00:10:38.060 you're doing that to make money, correct? Yeah. 100%. Well, but Charlie just has a magical wand.

00:10:42.820 He's got, that's not the wand. Um, he's for the sake of argument. He's used the wand. You can make a

00:10:48.100 million dollars a year. You don't have to do, uh, you know, the adult content. Well, the thing is, I

00:10:53.220 wouldn't have to do it. That would be great, but I would still want to do it. I'm, I mean, personally,

00:10:57.620 like I'm an exhibitionist. I love like putting my sexual self out there for other people to see,

00:11:03.380 for other people to like, you know, touch themselves to have fun with. Huh? I love it.

00:11:08.740 Can I ask you a question since you're about presenting yourself to the world? Do you have

00:11:13.940 a good relationship with your father? Okay, here we go. No, I don't talk to him.

00:11:21.860 I'm not surprised. Yeah. I actually think it's principle that you said you wouldn't give it up

00:11:26.420 just for money because that shows that you do it for reasons beyond just like financial ones.

00:11:29.780 It shows you have like a genuine passion and interest in it. Yeah. Grid One Motorsports donated

00:11:34.580 $200. In other words, sex is whatever she needs to make believe it is at the time she needs to

00:11:41.300 rationalize it. It's called whole logic. Oh, I wouldn't use that language, but, um,

00:11:47.060 Molly, what I would say is you seem like a sweet person. Maybe something to think about as the years

00:11:52.180 go on that maybe sex should just be saved for the person you love most. I would ask you or the panel,

00:11:57.060 what would your definition of love be? Me and the whole panel? Or just anyone. I mean,

00:12:02.180 that's just the fundamental question with dating, right? Is that a tough question, guys? Kind of,

00:12:07.140 yeah. Yeah. It's a very complex answer. You know what? Let's go around the tables. Sorry,

00:12:11.460 I don't mean to. Oh, no, it's great. It's great. It's great. We'll go around the table. Do you want

00:12:15.780 to answer? So your question is, what is love? Yeah, that is a, that's a song too. What is love? It's a good

00:12:21.140 song. Yeah. Or how would you define love? Because I think that, shouldn't that, can we all agree

00:12:26.340 that's probably a good goal of dating to find love? Do we all agree on that? Yeah. Yes. So we'll start

00:12:32.340 with you. We'll go around the table. If you guys want to give your answers for that, go ahead. I feel

00:12:37.460 like love is an emotional connection between two people that value each other and accept each other

00:12:44.500 for who they are. I feel like that's what love is. I feel like real love is when you find kind of,

00:12:51.940 I guess, things you don't like about the person you're with and you still choose to be with them

00:12:57.220 and grow with them either way. I feel like that's real love. I feel like that's more of a romantic

00:13:02.740 type of love. I feel like love is something that's going to transcend just romantic relationships.

00:13:07.460 And I would say it's like an emotional bond that exists between human beings. And I say human beings

00:13:12.660 just to specify that I don't think it exists between people and things. Cause I think that's

00:13:15.700 kind of materialistic. Oh, Flann life. Thank you for the gift at 50 memberships. Appreciate it.

00:13:21.940 Sorry. Go ahead, Erin. Go ahead. Uh, just that I think love is a connection that exists between

00:13:25.780 people, not things to get away from more of like a materialist understanding of like people saying,

00:13:30.820 like, I love my car. I love this item or whatever. I don't really think that constitutes love,

00:13:34.980 but other than that, I would not be able to really define it. It's a question that philosophers have

00:13:38.660 been debating since the beginning of time. I don't know that it'll be on this podcast. Hold on.

00:13:42.340 Donald Trump donated $200. I'm pleased to announce Charlie. Oh, that's a big announcement.

00:13:48.900 It'll be the best. Big Trump Kirk 2024. Tremendous. We will make America great again.

00:13:56.900 For the record, I'm not old enough. Oh, you're not old enough to be the VP pick. Okay. I thought we

00:14:01.540 had a whatever exclusive here. Charlie Kirk, the VP pick. Okay. I'm sorry, Erin. Go ahead.

00:14:06.740 No, just that. Oh, okay. What about you? I agree with both of them. So I like, I don't really,

00:14:12.340 have anything else to add. Okay. All right. Yeah. There is different types of love. Obviously,

00:14:17.300 we don't feel love for our parents the same way we do with a romantic partner or friend. Yeah. But

00:14:22.340 with that being said, I would classify love as a deep connection and emotion that you share with

00:14:28.180 someone and also kind of like really hoping for the best for that person, for who they are and their

00:14:33.540 future and just like what you hope you can do together as well. Okay.

00:14:38.020 Okay.

00:14:38.500 Um, I agree with them as well. I think love is accepting someone for all of them, not just the

00:14:44.580 good parts. Um, and I think that it should be like unconditional if you're going to love someone

00:14:50.580 that it should be, you know, the good and the bad.

00:14:53.140 That's a tricky one for me because I have a hard, um, I'm difficult to kind of deal with the term love

00:15:02.100 and things around. I'm kind of scared of it. Um, but I feel like the main type of love that I like

00:15:06.820 to focus on is just the self love. Like as the rest of the girls are saying, there's so many different

00:15:10.580 types of love you can find in a partner, but I feel like, I don't know, I couldn't imagine myself

00:15:15.380 loving someone unconditionally, but myself, sure, I can find ways. Can I, can I ask a question?

00:15:21.380 Absolutely. Go ahead. Um, why do you think you, you're afraid of love?

00:15:25.620 I don't know what it is. I think maybe the commitment is like, yeah, it's scary, isn't it?

00:15:31.140 Would you say other people, are you afraid of love? Do you feel that way?

00:15:35.380 I feel like people are afraid of happiness because happiness isn't long term. You can't stay happy

00:15:41.140 forever, especially with the person. It's not always going to be perfect. So I feel like a lot of

00:15:46.660 people are scared of love because I feel like, well, let's say you're in a relationship with

00:15:52.020 somebody, right? And I guess the best thing you can hope for is to end up dying together.

00:15:57.060 It's no matter what, it's never like forever lasting. So I don't know. I think that's how it is.

00:16:03.620 And it's also scary. Cause like if you give more to someone and they like, don't give it back,

00:16:10.580 like that hurts a lot. I think, I think honestly, that's the most beautiful part about love because

00:16:17.220 true love, um, doesn't really care whether you're loved back. Um, it hurts if you're not loved back,

00:16:25.060 but you're still going to love that person or yourself or whatever. Um, but I think that

00:16:30.740 love in general is just a deep understanding and acceptance of a human being.

00:16:36.980 Yeah. The, uh, the Greeks had four words for love. English has screwed this up. So in Greek,

00:16:44.260 the first word would be phileo, which is the brotherly love, the city of brotherly love,

00:16:48.180 Philadelphia, right? So we all know that what that's like to love a sibling, right? But that's

00:16:52.660 a completely different type of love than storge in Greek, which is to love a child, which is my wish

00:16:58.020 for all of you. It's a great thing. As I said, uh, also there is eros, which some of you may have had

00:17:03.060 before, which is erotic. We get the English word erotic from, but then there's this.

00:17:08.340 He looked at me. Did you look at me? I, I did kind of glance right in her direction,

00:17:13.460 right? As you said that. Um, so, and then the last is agape, which I'm a Christian. We believe

00:17:18.740 that's the highest form of love, which you guys mentioned sort of, which is you would give your

00:17:22.580 life for that person. And that's a very hard thing, right? I would give my life for my wife in

00:17:28.020 a second and for my child. And, um, I, I guess my question is, and we, anyone can chime in,

00:17:34.020 through the current hookup culture only fans, is it more or less likely to get towards that

00:17:40.580 ideal self-sacrificing type of love? Yeah. I don't know. Personally. I was just gonna say,

00:17:50.020 personally, I think that a lot of people today are so wrapped up and stuck because they don't know how

00:17:55.380 to love themselves and that causes, you know, a lot of stuff to happen and it can, uh, cloud your

00:18:04.100 mind from really being able to, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Pursue and look for a connection

00:18:11.300 with another person. And also with like social media and like dating apps and stuff now, like,

00:18:15.620 people are so used to like having options and just like literally just having like whoever they really

00:18:22.180 want to. So it's like a lot harder for people to be like, I guess, more serious because once

00:18:31.060 Go ahead, keep going, keep going. Uh, because like one, I don't know, like for a lot of people that are

00:18:36.740 into like hookup culture and stuff, like, I don't know. I just feel like there's a lot of options and

00:18:40.980 people don't take it serious because there's so many people to choose from. And like, if they don't

00:18:44.740 like one thing about you, they're like, oh, okay, I'll just find someone else then. Like, I don't know.

00:18:48.980 It's kind of, yeah, but I think that goes in terms of like anybody, not just OnlyFans people.

00:18:54.660 Yeah. Um, OnlyFans obviously does get in the way of someone wanting to take you serious,

00:18:58.900 but I've actually noticed OnlyFans has got a lot more guys in my DMs. So when I post a booty pic,

00:19:04.340 everyone is loving me. Well, do they love you or do they lust you? Well, it's, yeah, probably more

00:19:09.300 lust, but it's still something to feed my attention ego. If, if, if you could find a stable soulmate,

00:19:15.780 would you, would you quit that line of work? If you were, if you were totally financially

00:19:19.940 supported, similar to the question of Molly, I mean, anything to make me stay in bed all day.

00:19:26.580 So, um, yeah, but in terms of a soulmate, I don't know, like I would, I'd rather myself be my own

00:19:32.820 soulmate. Like I was raised by an independent mother. I haven't really seen much of a, like,

00:19:38.260 kind of, I guess, a relationship, but I also feel like you don't really need it. My mom has done

00:19:43.060 everything for herself and for me. And so I don't know. I just, I feel like menopause as well.

00:19:47.620 I'm going to get sick of them and I'll be in a marriage that I will regret. So sick of who,

00:19:52.500 if I get married, such a dark view of marriage. It's a beautiful thing, everybody. It's this exciting.

00:20:02.020 Trust me. I, part of the problem is the culture is so dark and terrible.

00:20:06.260 I will be perfect. It's very hard. Marriage is very difficult. It's the hardest thing I've ever

00:20:11.220 done. And raising kids is even harder than that. And I've done some difficult stuff,

00:20:14.980 but it's by far the most fulfilling. Charlie, do you think people should wait

00:20:19.060 until marriage to have sex? Ideally, of course. Yes. But I'm not here to judge people that,

00:20:25.460 I mean, I'm not here to say that you're a bad person or whatever. That's, I have my,

00:20:29.380 sorry. Can I just ask? Yes. Sure. Did you wait till marriage?

00:20:32.580 Yeah. Oh, really? It was the greatest decision of my life.

00:20:34.660 Wow. Wow. I would not be able. Imagine you waited till marriage and you find it.

00:20:38.180 I had others. I would hate that. Like, I would be so bad.

00:20:41.700 Well, there's more important things. I think more important things.

00:20:46.900 You can't leave it up to the marriage day, man. Sexual intercourse is important.

00:20:50.100 Let's play the other side of it. Imagine going into the bedroom on your marriage night

00:20:55.940 and knowing that you both have each other for the first time, you never had to share that human

00:20:59.540 being. Yeah, true. But then again, I lost my sanity to a virgin as well.

00:21:04.740 Or imagine if they were really experienced and they were an awesome lay and you guys also had

00:21:08.100 a connection. That would also be really fun. Or if they're a man, they might be thinking about

00:21:11.140 other women for the rest of your relationship. I don't think men stop thinking about other women

00:21:14.980 just because they get married. I really doubt that. I think men will do that no matter what.

00:21:18.980 No, men, men's minds are rather undisciplined. You are right. That is true. But they don't have

00:21:23.620 other experiences or pair bonds, especially for young women with pair bonds are a real thing

00:21:28.260 to compare that to. But look, I will go back to what I said. Sex is a very powerful thing. We all

00:21:34.500 agreed with that, right? And I think you have to... A tool, one might even say.

00:21:38.820 It can be used. It could be abused. It could be... But in its ideal, which I fully acknowledge,

00:21:44.420 it's very, very hard to do. Very hard. Very hard. Very difficult. But should be a goal that

00:21:49.140 I would like to see more people at least talk about in a non-judgmental way that is worth aspiring to.

00:21:55.220 And it's not impossible. It's not impossible. It's not popular, but it's not impossible.

00:22:04.340 Okay. Did you have a response, Erin? Or I thought someone over here had a...

00:22:09.860 I don't think so. I feel like I had something to say.

00:22:11.700 Oh, did you have... Yeah, sorry. Did you have more?

00:22:15.540 If you could wipe the... I know this is hypothetical. That's okay.

00:22:18.580 Well, I remember what I was going to say now. Yes, I'm sorry.

00:22:20.020 You were saying that like, oh, if you only have one partner, you're not going to think about other

00:22:23.540 people. But I actually feel like that might make you wonder even more.

00:22:26.980 Yeah. You'll be seeing all these girls online.

00:22:28.660 You'll be watching porn. You'll be thinking about all these other things.

00:22:31.220 And it's like, all you have is one person. And like, I don't know.

00:22:33.860 I feel like that would kind of open up a lot of curiosity.

00:22:36.500 Yeah, that would drive me crazy. I would like always be wondering what I was missing.

00:22:40.260 And like, did I miss out on something good? Because I was holding out for something that

00:22:44.340 maybe turned out not to be what I thought it was.

00:22:46.420 Yeah, looking around, I can't say that I think I'm missing much, to be honest.

00:22:50.980 Not around this table. I'm just saying. No, not around this table. I just say the country.

00:22:54.180 Oh, just in general. Just in general. Not around this table. I just...

00:22:57.620 What am I missing? Um, you know, I have a... And by the way...

00:23:01.780 Is he missing anything? Yeah, what? Aaron, is he missing?

00:23:04.420 I mean, if you're saying that she's like the best person and no.

00:23:09.460 Pixie? Not every day is amazing, but... Well, obviously.

00:23:12.340 But it's perfect. I think you're missing out on some good threesomes.

00:23:14.420 Yeah, that's all I'm gonna say. Okay.

00:23:16.740 Uh... If that is the compelling argument...

00:23:18.820 Aram! I don't know why that's not working. Our audio is bad.

00:23:22.340 Look, everything in life is a choice. I get to have a soulmate that I get to go on

00:23:26.660 adventure with and a beautiful daughter, and you get to have orgies.

00:23:30.900 You can still have a soulmate and a beautiful family and do porn.

00:23:35.060 So, Molly... I don't think you're right. Um, and if it works for you,

00:23:43.860 then you will definitely defy the odds. No, I think it does work.

00:23:46.980 I think it can be proven that you can still... I know for a fact it works.

00:23:49.940 I have friends with kids and like friends who are in relationships, getting married,

00:23:54.020 and they're very prominent doing porn, fucking other people, having orgies...

00:23:59.140 Let me tell you... All that jazz.

00:24:01.060 Yeah, let me tell you a true story about a young lady who went to high school near here.

00:24:07.140 When she started to get 15... Her mom was a porn actress. Um, and all the other boys would

00:24:12.980 constantly tease her and bully her because they would show pictures of her naked mother.

00:24:17.620 And it really, really hurt her. Do you ever wonder that for your future kids, they might have to

00:24:22.020 be confronted by that or teased or ridiculed by your line of work?

00:24:25.540 I know they will be confronted with it, but there's so many ways to answer this question.

00:24:30.660 But honestly, for one, I don't really care because to me, the way that I look at it and

00:24:35.940 the way that I'm going to raise my kids says a hell of a lot more to me about the child who is

00:24:41.060 instigating negative emotions in my child because of what I do for work rather than my child minding

00:24:47.620 their own business. Do you ever worry that you might be producing content that could be seriously

00:24:53.700 damaging other people? No. Okay. Charlie, you were about to say a little earlier, if you could

00:25:01.860 wipe the slate clean, what was the question you had there? Yeah, if you could wipe the slate

00:25:05.860 theoretically and re-virginize yourself and would you? Could you go back to the person you were as a

00:25:14.660 virgin? No. No. I love who I am now. I feel like everything happened for a reason and I don't know,

00:25:21.140 I love who I am now. Would I take back the people that I did? Probably. But yeah, like you said,

00:25:29.300 it made who I am, so no. Okay. I think I would definitely do some things different. It's kind

00:25:37.780 of ironic because this probably isn't the answer you're looking for, but if I was to start again,

00:25:40.740 I'd probably lose my virginity for porn and do more porn things earlier on. But yeah, that's just me.

00:25:47.700 But there's definitely some body counts that I do regret, just one-night stands and all them

00:25:50.900 lame things. What about they did? Did you regret just the- Just the one-night

00:25:55.860 stands. They weren't worthy or- Yeah, just like bad time or like weird people or like,

00:26:01.380 you know, you get too drunk and you get in a situation you can't really get out of and

00:26:04.420 stuff like that. But in terms of then all the stuff I do for work, I love that because that's

00:26:08.500 like an art form for me. So yeah. I want to circle back to something you said earlier,

00:26:13.940 where you said that Molly's children, hypothetical future children could be confronted with like her

00:26:19.860 work, right? And I think that that is not, I don't think there's any career path that precludes your

00:26:25.060 child from potentially being confronted with what their parents say. Like, I know that you're involved

00:26:29.620 in like political work and stuff like that. Do you ever worry that things that you've said online or

00:26:33.700 done or political actions that you've taken might be like your daughter might be confronted by them,

00:26:37.940 by somebody who has like somebody's kid who has an opposing point of view? I feel like that would

00:26:41.780 like, do you ever worry about something like that? Well, she'll definitely be confronted. It's just,

00:26:45.140 it's not videos of me having sex online. No, but you said like tons of controversial things, right?

00:26:51.300 So do you expect that any of that could like have negative effects on her well-being or like how she's

00:26:56.100 raised or anything like that? Or do you think, and I say controversial, like neutrally and

00:27:00.660 descriptively, like objectively, if your views are polarizing, that's going to incite conversation,

00:27:04.980 debate, discussion. Do you ever worry about like kids confronting her with these things and her not

00:27:09.220 being prepared to know how to answer them or maybe feeling like bullied or embarrassed?

00:27:13.380 Yeah. I mean, that's, that's a factor of being in public life for sure. Yeah. And hopefully, um,

00:27:19.220 hopefully I build her strong up enough to be able to endure that.

00:27:21.940 Then I bet Molly thinks probably the same thing, right? Like there's just that sort of resiliency.

00:27:26.420 Do you think public political commentary is morally on the same plane as

00:27:30.500 filming yourself having sex? Yes. Yes. Yeah. I think people, if anything,

00:27:34.100 it could sometimes be worse depending on what the person is talking about, you know?

00:27:36.980 I agree. Oh, worse. Okay. I think politics is definitely heavier than porn.

00:27:40.420 You think politics does more damage than porn? Uh, for the actual life, like the world? Yes.

00:27:48.420 Her having sex with other men is not disrupting the world. Well, not just sex,

00:27:52.340 but filming it and disseminating it. I think it actually helps the world because it gives the

00:27:56.500 men a release of their semen that they keep the girls to fuck them. So they go jerk off to me.

00:28:02.660 I'm all the lonely boys. You know, we're, we're helping them.

00:28:06.420 Also, I feel like it's their choice to watch. So it's, you know, it's not, well,

00:28:10.100 I was also going to ask how kids would know that someone's mom is a porn star. How would they know that?

00:28:16.820 Internet's forever. Can you scoot your mic that way? Yeah, but, um, internet is forever.

00:28:21.540 I mean, obviously kids watch. It would be a parental failure, basically. Like,

00:28:25.220 the parents are not monitoring their child's consumption of media good enough,

00:28:29.540 and they're reportedly fine porn.

00:28:30.900 Right there, my file donated $200.

00:28:32.260 Oh, this is stupid.

00:28:33.700 You're going to go to that.

00:28:34.420 Charlie was right. I was a B, I, I.

00:28:35.860 Oh, God.

00:28:36.340 My sprinkler goes like this.

00:28:40.500 Oh, my God.

00:28:41.140 They give $200 for this?

00:28:43.940 I got some interesting, uh, I got some, uh, okay, all right. Thank you, uh, thank you for that. Um,

00:28:50.500 okay, uh, where were we?

00:28:52.420 I finished my thought.

00:28:53.860 Okay. Do, do any of you think that

00:28:57.460 a generation of young men, and having struggled with porn myself, totally acknowledge it, so no one.

00:29:02.260 Have you jerked off to me?

00:29:03.780 Oh, my God, Molly.

00:29:06.420 He's thinking.

00:29:06.980 I, I've never heard of you before, so, um, yeah.

00:29:10.420 That's the answer, because your wife is watching.

00:29:12.740 That's true. I've never heard of you before.

00:29:16.900 That was kind of out of pocket, Molly.

00:29:20.660 Okay, um, so,

00:29:22.180 Charlie Kirk, your political commentator.

00:29:27.060 Um, can I say one thing?

00:29:28.500 Absolutely. Go ahead, go ahead.

00:29:29.780 Molly, I have sympathy for you. I do.

00:29:31.700 You're trying to cope with the suppression of your soul.

00:29:35.860 And filming yourself having sex with other men and filming it is not the highest and best use of the talents that God gave you.

00:29:42.020 It's not.

00:29:42.420 I think that is a talent God gave me.

00:29:44.660 Well, it's not the highest and best use, and it's not a talent, because as I said in my belief,

00:29:49.060 it is, should, that should be saved in a sacred domain. We're not going to agree on that, but

00:29:53.460 I hope, uh, I hope you change course. I think you'll be happier and more joyful,

00:29:56.740 and I pray you don't have to suffer too much to realize that.

00:29:59.380 Well, in my belief, this is my most happy and joyful.

00:30:04.660 So if Molly made, like, a huge pivot and started doing politics, would you support her political, like, runs and bids?

00:30:09.540 It's not a matter of politics. I mean, I, I just, I want what's best for

00:30:13.860 all the, all of you here, and I don't think filming yourself having sex with men is the

00:30:18.020 highest and best use of your talents. In fact, I think it personally has done a lot of damage to

00:30:23.060 a lot of young men. Um, and don't take my word for it. Look, and you can read the book by Gary

00:30:27.300 Wilson, Your Brain on Porn. It is the number one drug in America right now, and it, it impacts men.

00:30:32.660 Well, it definitely isn't healthy.

00:30:33.700 Okay. So it's not healthy. So we agree. So let me ask a moral question. What do you guys think of

00:30:39.220 drug dealers that push fentanyl? Good people or not good people?

00:30:43.300 Probably not. Not good people.

00:30:44.820 So I mean, if we agree that porn is a drug,

00:30:49.380 if porn is a drug, how is Molly not a either drug dealer or a drug manufacturer?

00:30:55.300 It's different levels of addiction.

00:30:57.220 There's so many other drugs, like weed is not fentanyl. Weed's fine.

00:31:01.940 We agree. Well, I wouldn't say weed is fine, but it is not as bad as fentanyl.

00:31:06.500 But I mean, there's different levels.

00:31:09.700 Do you believe porn is a drug?

00:31:11.460 I think it's an addiction. A drug is a, no.

00:31:14.980 So what is, what does porn do to the, the male mind?

00:31:18.020 I don't know. I'm not a male.

00:31:19.140 Okay. Okay. Yeah.

00:31:20.020 It is the same biochemical release as cocaine. It's almost identical. In fact,

00:31:24.340 it's even more powerful at times, not to mention the damage it does to their relationships and

00:31:28.500 how it has to rewire their brain. That, that goes without saying, but does it,

00:31:32.180 I don't really see the, the comparison with like fentanyl and porn though, because fentanyl

00:31:37.300 actually kills people and it's highly addictive. So I know right now, currently like porn addiction

00:31:42.100 is not recognized and the DSM five is a legitimate addiction. The only behavioral based addiction

00:31:46.580 would be drug addiction, something like fentanyl or whatever. Every other type of addiction

00:31:50.340 is something that's like so that you can't, or sorry, not drug based, uh, gambling. That's what

00:31:54.900 it is. Gambling addiction is very real, but I don't believe, but porn addiction is, I think you can

00:31:59.460 have impulse control issues with porn, but that would be like any other thing that you could have

00:32:03.060 difficulty controlling like your consumption of. So go ahead, Molly, please. So my, my question is

00:32:09.460 like, um, I kind of have a comparison of my own and I'll, I'll try and sum this up as fast as I can. But basically

00:32:14.820 when prohibition happened, you know, people said that alcohol, it was not good for you. It led to

00:32:21.460 deaths. It led to arguments, negative things, whatever. Prohibition happened. People still

00:32:28.180 found ways to have parties with alcohol, drink alcohol, speakies existed. The only thing that

00:32:34.500 happened was people didn't stop drinking alcohol. People started getting arrested and punished for it.

00:32:39.380 And it started ruining people's livelihoods in that way, instead of in a way that they have control

00:32:45.620 over, meaning that they can stop the addiction by getting help at any time. So my question is,

00:32:54.100 if you think porn is so bad, like an addiction like that, what's your solution? Because if you're

00:32:58.260 going to get rid of it, it's still going to exist. Well, the first solution, I mean, can you at least

00:33:02.900 agree, Molly, that minor shouldn't be viewing porn? Of course. A hundred percent. Okay, good. So those

00:33:07.620 for a reason. Yeah. Well, the age verification is a little bit. Yeah. So let's, let's talk about

00:33:13.060 that. Utah and Texas passed laws that Pornhub sued that made it more robust. You had to actually

00:33:18.180 provide an ID and Pornhub didn't like that because they said it would limit their traffic. So would you

00:33:24.020 all agree that if there was robust ID checking, that would like 18, we can at least agree we could draw

00:33:29.300 the line there. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's the normal age. Okay. I'm glad, glad to hear that.

00:33:36.420 So on the other side though, I mean, I think we have to acknowledge that the average American male

00:33:41.940 spending anywhere between 45 minutes to 90 minutes on porn websites, it's, it varies. I mean, this is a

00:33:48.180 new phenomenon and I just want to reiterate it, that highly interactive three-dimensional video

00:33:55.860 that triggers dopaminergic responses in the brain is unlike anything we've encountered. The science is

00:34:01.060 still being studied and Gary Wilson's book is phenomenal on this. You are brain on porn.

00:34:05.540 In fact, it is the most used, let's just say product. We don't have to say drug product for

00:34:10.580 young men in this country. And I guess you would all say that, let me just ask you, how many of you are

00:34:15.380 thrilled with the status of American men? You think that they're strong and confident and they tell the

00:34:21.860 truth? I love an American man as an Irish girl. Okay. Well then you're the exception. The Americans are silent.

00:34:28.740 But hold on. And I'm not going to say it's only because of porn, because that would not be fair,

00:34:32.980 but porn consumption does not make better men. No. You agree? I agree 100%. So that's where I'm just

00:34:38.580 trying to introduce in the conversation. You said, what is the solution? So I would just say, Molly,

00:34:44.660 my advice or my ask for you is, you know, for people to stop participating in it for that's

00:34:49.780 not going to happen because the money is so good, but we should draw the line at 18. There should

00:34:54.500 even be, it should be very, very hard to access. But to your point, Molly, you're not wrong. People

00:34:58.180 would always find it, but we should, we should try to draw a line in the sands somewhere, especially with

00:35:02.580 miners or have some sort of, you know, we should have some sort of acknowledgement that this is

00:35:07.300 destroying parts of society. And I won't say it's worse than fentanyl, but in some ways it's very,

00:35:12.580 very sneaky. A lot of married men watch pornography. As I said, I've had my own

00:35:16.740 personal struggles with it. It's incredibly addictive. It's incredibly powerful. It also

00:35:21.940 creates depressive effects in about half of the men that consume pornography. And I would just say

00:35:27.460 that, you know, young ladies, it affects women differently than men. Men are 50 times more visual

00:35:32.980 oriented than women. And that's not to say that women don't consume pornography. They do at increasingly

00:35:38.420 higher rates, but I think it's a, it's a social toxin right now.

00:35:42.580 I don't think that's a good thing.

00:35:43.780 Hold on, just a second.

00:35:44.980 Charlie Cook and Joya donated $200. Hey, Charlie, just want to say thank you for everything you do.

00:35:53.060 You are a force for good in America. Great to see you on the whatever podcast. Question,

00:35:59.220 would you ever consider running for office? It's so scripted. No, not anytime soon. But

00:36:05.780 thank you for the $200. Wait, I have a question for you, actually, just because I don't really

00:36:10.740 like know who you are, but there's like a lot of politics. You're very lucky.

00:36:13.380 Okay. I was just like, what do you do? Because I've seen, like, you've mentioned politics and now

00:36:18.340 that, like, what do you? I run an organization called Turning Point USA. I'm a conservative,

00:36:22.900 if you haven't figured that out. I'm a Christian and I host a three-hour show every day in my name.

00:36:28.900 Okay, cool. I envy you that you don't know, but yes, I'm sorry.

00:36:34.420 Totally fine. Let's switch gears a little bit here. So going around the table, asking all the girls

00:36:39.540 here, would you date someone who does not align with your politics? So if you're a liberal,

00:36:44.660 would you date a conservative? If you're a conservative, would you date a liberal? If you're

00:36:48.020 a communist, would you date an anarcho-capitalist? I guess, I don't know.

00:36:52.900 So tell us what your political orientation is going around the table, and if you would date

00:36:58.100 somebody who differed from you politically, and if so, why not? Starting with you, go ahead.

00:37:06.100 Honestly, I feel like it wouldn't be that big of a decision for me. I wouldn't mind. I feel like I'm

00:37:13.860 not that strict about certain things, and I feel like if I want to be with him, I'll be with him and

00:37:21.140 accept him for whatever it is. And maybe, maybe even try to, I guess. Well, no, we can't agree to

00:37:29.220 disagree. I feel like on certain things I might. Actually, I'm too indecisive. Never mind.

00:37:35.700 Where do you fall politically?

00:37:37.220 Um, undefined.

00:37:38.340 Undefined. Okay. Undefined? I'm not going to have to say it. Okay. Anarchy? Anarchist? Maybe? I don't

00:37:46.260 know. Not even a hint. Um, maybe you guys can pick up randomly. Okay. That'd be fun.

00:37:54.020 I don't know. Okay, Erin, what about you? What about you? Yeah, I'm fine dating somebody who

00:37:58.100 disagrees with me politically. I already do. My boyfriend's like a liberal, you know, which is

00:38:02.020 a filthy, filthy liberal, even though I'm, you know, further left than him. But I love him in spite of that.

00:38:06.180 So, okay. So what, if you were to put a word to how you would describe yourself politically,

00:38:12.420 are you a leftist? Yeah, I'd say I'm broadly on the left. And your boyfriend's liberal.

00:38:16.740 Okay. What about you? Um, it kind of depends how I honestly, on both sides, it depends how

00:38:24.900 like hardcore they are because a lot of like hardcore, like stuff like that, I don't even agree

00:38:30.580 with like on both sides. So it would kind of depend on like what they believe in or like how

00:38:36.820 hardcore they are with it. But I think I could, I don't really, I mean, I'm always down to have like

00:38:42.340 discussions and conversations. So I think I could, uh, as for my like political, I don't really

00:38:48.420 care. You don't care. I would say I'm like in the middle, honestly. Who did you vote for

00:38:53.620 in the last election? Or did you vote? Most people don't vote. I regret, I regret my vote now,

00:39:01.140 but we couldn't. Biden, unfortunately. Kanye? You vote for Kanye? That would have been a better

00:39:07.940 choice, honestly. No, I voted for Biden, unfortunately. And you regret that? I do.

00:39:14.180 Why do you regret that? Uh, do you see the state of the world? I mean, like. You're smart.

00:39:18.900 That's why I'm just in the middle. Do you want to share? I agree with like stuff on both sides.

00:39:25.460 Good for you. Pixie, what about you? I'm a progressive. Um, my last day actually lasted

00:39:31.780 20 minutes because of this. Um, wait, we have the tweets. Nick, pull up her tweets really quick.

00:39:36.820 I saw your tweets. Oh shit, the receipts. We have the receipts. Nick, go ahead.

00:39:40.600 How much money is in your guy's bank account? Jesus.

00:39:42.620 What was that? No, we had like a YouTube video randomly. Start playing Nick.

00:39:49.740 You got it? You got it? You got it? Make it so bigger, so bigger, Nick.

00:39:58.220 Uh, okay, I'm convinced I have to move from Miami just so I can actually find someone to date next.

00:40:03.180 From? Yeah. Today, my date lasted a total of 20 minutes because he found that I was progressive

00:40:09.900 and that he was conservative. At least it was a mutual decision on both of our eyes to

00:40:15.180 rather figure out long-term incompatibility quickly than waste each other's time. So,

00:40:20.060 on that date of yours where you were out on a date with a conservative man, who, like, was it kind of,

00:40:24.780 you said, you said it was a mutual thing, but was it more so you who had an issue with it? Was it him?

00:40:29.180 Or it was mutual? It was pretty darn mutual. Like, what happened was, um, we were in the car,

00:40:34.700 we were going to go to a bar, and he asked me what I did for work, so then I started talking about it,

00:40:38.620 and he was like, would it bother you if I'm a hardcore conservative? And then I was like,

00:40:44.620 I was like, well, what do you mean by that? Because some people are like, I'm a hardcore

00:40:48.300 conservative, and what they mean is, like, a smaller government and less taxes, which is,

00:40:51.900 you know, something I can, like, deal with. Um, and then some people are like, oh, you know,

00:40:57.500 like, Nick Fuentes style, like, you know, you know, like, so I asked him, and he actually,

00:41:03.500 he actually said he was a huge fan of yours, which is, like, fine. That's a deal killer.

00:41:08.700 Of Charlie or whatever. Of Charlie. Oh, okay, okay. But no. If it was you, you'd be fine. No,

00:41:14.140 no, no. But, um, and he was saying, like, oh, you know, I just, like, I'm really, really. Did he

00:41:19.980 actually say that? Yeah. I like this. Huge fan. Okay. Um, but he was like, I'm just, like,

00:41:25.180 really hardcore conservative, and I was like, well, honestly, at this point, I feel like I

00:41:30.380 would make you more upset than you make me upset. You think so? Yeah. It seems, it seems to me,

00:41:36.540 it seems to me that typically it's liberals who are not prepared to be friends with conservatives

00:41:41.260 versus the reverse. I actually think they've done studies on this. It's conservatives typically,

00:41:46.060 from what I've seen, tend to, while they disagree ideologically, uh, liberals just will outright hate

00:41:53.580 somebody who's conservative and think they're, like, evil. I think. No, I don't like that. I

00:41:57.660 want to get to be friends with them so I can convert them into my leftist ideology. So, um,

00:42:02.380 how am I supposed to convert them? Yeah, I come from a conservative family. Um, I have a lot of

00:42:08.060 close friends that are conservative. So, to me, that's, like, I'm not new to disagreeing with people.

00:42:13.500 Okay. That's just part of life for me. Um, but, yeah, it's just, like, I'm okay dating somebody

00:42:20.060 who believes in, like, some different things than me. It just depends on what extent. Like,

00:42:24.300 for example, if I, I want to have children in the future, and if my child, let's say,

00:42:28.940 comes out as gay, and my partner's, like, we have to send them to conversion therapy. To me,

00:42:34.460 that's, like, a hard line. To me, that's, like, no, like, I couldn't put my child through that.

00:42:38.540 We can, we can, uh, maybe come back to that specific thing. Um, but how, just curious,

00:42:43.820 how did you meet him? Oh, Hinge. You met him on Hinge? Doesn't, doesn't it allow you to disclose

00:42:49.020 your political leanings on? Yeah, I disclosed mine. Oh, he didn't. Uh, okay. So, why did he go

00:42:54.220 on the date? Yeah, if he had such a big, if he had such a big issue with it, well, okay. Uh,

00:42:58.380 we'll continue going around. And then, did you, did you have anything in response to her, Charlie,

00:43:03.020 or? No, I actually think you guys made the right choice, believe it or not. I think you have to have

00:43:06.540 value alignment. I think you have to have worldview harmony, that you shouldn't date or marry people.

00:43:11.100 I mean, you're not, you have kids, or are you going to have kids, or are you going to raise them

00:43:15.500 religious or not? I mean, just the amount of daily questions that come up in a marriage is,

00:43:20.860 I mean, it's 500 a day. And if you see the world differently, then that's a recipe for disaster.

00:43:25.580 So I actually think you guys made the right, I think you should end up, if you want to,

00:43:28.860 if you end up marrying somebody who sees the world the way you do, it would make you a happier

00:43:33.180 marriage and a happier children. What if it was just one issue? Like if I'm assuming that you're

00:43:36.940 anti-choice, right? Or pro-life? Yeah, pro-life. Okay. So if your wife is not pro-life, but everything

00:43:42.780 else you guys agree, would that be a deal breaker for you? That one would be a deal breaker. Yeah,

00:43:46.300 because that's, that's not like taxes, right? That's not, that's not like, hey, you know,

00:43:50.700 I believe in a 35% tax rate and I believe in a 20% tax rate. It's like philosophical barriers.

00:43:56.060 Yeah, that's right. Okay. That's correct. Brian, I actually have a tweet of my latest conversation.

00:44:03.820 What do you mean? Do you want to see the tweet? Is it?

00:44:06.060 And Wokenist is about how women are becoming dramatically more left-wing?

00:44:10.380 Dramatic. Sure, we can take a quick look at it.

00:44:15.820 I think I saw this. Young women are becoming dramatically left-wing. Young men are becoming

00:44:19.900 more right-wing. This is happening on other continents. There's South Korea, US, Germany, UK.

00:44:27.740 Scroll down just a tad so we can see the UK here.

00:44:30.540 Okay. Yeah. So I'm curious why, and I'd love to, I mean this like non-sarcastically,

00:44:39.660 I'd love to learn why, why do you think that trend is? I think it's because one side, wait,

00:44:44.940 okay. So left is, so I'm not like a huge apology person. That's all right. So young,

00:44:50.140 young women are getting more in like the Joe Biden direction of the Democrat party. Okay.

00:44:54.300 That's progressive. Okay. And young men are coming more,

00:44:57.020 you could say in the Trump conservative direction. Okay. I think it's more of that reason because

00:45:01.660 obviously the, like the Biden side or whatever you want to say, that side has more of like

00:45:09.260 women's like rights and stuff. So obviously like, well, not right now, but like just in general,

00:45:15.580 like that, the ideas of like that side have more like pro women things and the other side really

00:45:22.700 doesn't. So I think that's why I'm going to ask my young progressive organizer. Why do you think?

00:45:29.740 Because it's something that is, I personally don't think it's very valuable to ask people to label

00:45:34.460 themselves politically, mostly because if somebody does that, what I want them to do is like write

00:45:38.860 it down on a piece of paper and then crumple it up and throw it away. And usually just go issue by

00:45:42.300 issue. Because I found that when you ask people what they mean by a conservative or whatever,

00:45:47.260 like Pixie was saying earlier, sometimes they'll say, oh, like low taxes, small government or whatever.

00:45:51.740 But these are very nebulous terms. But when you actually get into it,

00:45:54.780 maybe they describe themselves as conservative and more the libertarian type. So they might be

00:45:58.380 pro-choice still. They might actually be interested in like a less interventionist, like foreign policy.

00:46:04.220 And then at that point, those are some like liberal tenants to me. So I don't think it's very useful

00:46:08.700 to even try to like have people do that. Or you might even find some liberals that are like anti-union,

00:46:13.020 for example. Yeah. Nick, what? We had like an audio issue for a moment, but it seems okay for now.

00:46:20.860 Oh, okay. Audio issue? Yeah, there was some echo.

00:46:29.980 AB check. Thank you for the gift of 50 memberships. Hold that thought, everybody.

00:46:33.420 Chat. One in the chat if the audio is okay. One in the chat if the audio is okay.

00:46:37.500 We had an echo? Yep. It's cleared up. It's okay now?

00:46:46.060 Are we able to keep talking or? Yeah, no, they can hear us. But apparently there's some reports

00:46:50.380 that we're reverb issue. It's happened once at the beginning of the show and once just now. No

00:46:55.100 complaints. Is the chat, is it fine? Yeah, we're good now. Okay, we're good. Sorry, go ahead.

00:47:01.820 So I was going to say, personally, I think there has been like a big push to like radicalize young

00:47:08.220 men online. You see this with the Tates. You see this in some other forms of media. So I think young

00:47:14.460 men in particular have been very, what is it called, specialized. You got like these giant propaganda

00:47:21.020 centers and networks focusing on trying to radicalize them in a way that they haven't necessarily put the

00:47:25.740 equal focus on women. So I do think that there's been a lot of like online radicalization going on.

00:47:31.100 I also think like personally, I'm a feminist, but I think there has like feminism has kind of left

00:47:36.860 men behind and kind of has not given them the answers that a lot of them are necessarily seeking.

00:47:42.940 So then they turn into like these like more of what I would call toxic figures instead for guidance.

00:47:48.940 So that's my answer when it comes to like this increased like radicalization.

00:47:52.700 What, what could, um, what could conservatives do better to reach young women?

00:48:01.660 What could conservatives?

00:48:02.380 I mean, it's not a trap question. I'm honestly curious.

00:48:04.540 Um, I kind of don't want to give you that. Well, I'll give you the answer.

00:48:08.220 Oh, it's a secret recipe.

00:48:09.660 No, I'll give it. I'm going to give it in front of 5 million people.

00:48:14.620 No, but I think a lot of conservatives really villainize young women and like the choices that they

00:48:21.020 take. Um, you see this, not in this particular podcast necessarily, but there's some that are

00:48:25.740 more extreme than this that, um, really focus on like shaming women or putting some like basically

00:48:31.180 cultural hypocrisy, like saying it's okay for men to be promiscuous, but women aren't.

00:48:35.740 Um,

00:48:36.540 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

00:48:39.340 I would not say young men have been radicalized.

00:48:42.620 I would say that young men are being reminded they are men and not women and that real men

00:48:48.140 value women because we are not equal.

00:48:50.940 Yo, thank you, Grid One. Appreciate it. Go ahead, Pixie. And I, I, if you can make your point quickly,

00:48:55.260 because I do want to bring in everybody else so they can answer the original question. Go ahead.

00:48:58.860 Yeah. But long story short, I think, um, trying to not be hypocritical about how we treat men and

00:49:03.580 women and not necessarily like shaming women for their past or how they currently are is probably a

00:49:09.100 better way to reach to them in my humble opinion. Okay. Okay. So honestly, I'm not too educated on

00:49:17.500 politics that I can say I'm one thing. Sure. Um, but I do think that my views do lean, um, more

00:49:23.980 progressive. Um, but again, I'm not too educated on the topic. Um, but I think I could date someone. I

00:49:32.300 have dated someone who was, um, conservative. Um, but for me, it's more there's make or break

00:49:39.020 like you were saying about, um, you know, if your wife was, you know, pro-choice and you, um, are not,

00:49:45.820 um, that would be something that I could be like, oh, you know, that's where I draw the line. Just

00:49:49.580 certain things that, you know, morally I could not be with someone who had those views. What about you?

00:49:56.300 Um, I'm not really big into politics either. I don't really understand it. All I know is that

00:50:00.860 I'm pro-choice. I like equality. Um, but yeah, I don't know. I, I do agree though that it, your partner,

00:50:07.900 you need to have the like similar mindset. So it might be a bit difficult if I was to be with

00:50:12.860 somebody that had a very strong political opinion. Usually I just go for people that are quite open

00:50:18.220 minded and chill. Um, but I think I could be open still cause I like to learn new things when I'm

00:50:23.100 with partners. So it could open my mind even a bit more and I could probably learn about politics then.

00:50:28.540 Molly, what about you? Well, I kind of, I agree with what you said. Um, I've actually,

00:50:32.860 my ex-boyfriend was very prominent in politics and he's very conservative and, um, I'm not at all.

00:50:40.780 Um, so that was definitely like an interesting dynamic, but I think overall we like

00:50:47.420 really like respected each other's perspective. Um, and you know, I, I don't think that like

00:50:54.380 conservatives are evil or like they have like a bad agenda. I just personally like,

00:51:02.540 I don't agree with what they would decide for me if, you know, um, and so I think that in a

00:51:09.740 relationship when you're with someone that shares different values, it would be extremely hard to be

00:51:14.780 married to someone for the rest of your life. It's doable. Um, especially, you know, if you have that

00:51:20.540 type of curiosity with the other person, but I for sure would want to be with someone who shares my

00:51:26.940 kind of openness as well. Okay. And then Charlie, I think you kind of maybe already went over it,

00:51:32.940 but I mean, do you have any thoughts on, you know, do you, do you think it's a better idea for people

00:51:37.500 when it comes to relationships or marriage to, I mean, I think I have, I have a sense of what your

00:51:42.780 answer would be, but to, uh, marry someone who shares their same political beliefs.

00:51:47.740 Yeah. Don't, don't, don't try to change your partner. That's, that's a bad idea.

00:51:51.420 Agree. Yeah. Don't try to change your partner. Don't. Yeah.

00:51:54.700 Aaron, you said earlier, your, your boyfriend, you said he's, well, he's not conservative,

00:51:59.340 but he's liberal and you're much further left or leftist. Um, and you said you would, you know,

00:52:04.860 when it comes to perhaps people, you would be friends with someone who's maybe more conservative

00:52:08.940 so you can shift them more left. I said that tongue in cheek, but yeah.

00:52:12.940 Oh, you said that, uh, well, I was going to ask her, have you shifted your boyfriend

00:52:16.140 more left? Okay. So he's pretty firm and he's firmly planted in his filthy, filthy liberalism,

00:52:21.980 but I love him in spite of that. I see. Okay. Got it. But we align on a lot of social issues. So if

00:52:27.180 we want to like create a dichotomy of like social and that economic issues, I feel like the economic

00:52:31.100 issues is primarily where we have disagreement and the social issues, those tend to be, I feel like,

00:52:35.420 the most polarizing and contentious. So if we had more disagreement there, we probably would not be

00:52:39.180 able to be in a relationship together harmoniously. So, okay. I see. But friends. Yeah. I'm open to

00:52:45.100 radicalizing them. Sure. Okay. Got it. Got it. So who here, I'm curious, who here considers

00:52:51.820 themselves a feminist? Maybe just show of hands. Are you a feminist? I don't know. That's it? Just

00:52:58.780 Erin and Pixie? Molly? Yeah, Molly. A little bit? Okay. All right. Uh, so Charlie, we've got some

00:53:05.420 feminists here. What do you think of, uh, what do you think of feminism? I want them to define the term

00:53:11.260 first because there's no use in me. Sure. Sure. Giving thoughts on an abstract concept. Sure.

00:53:15.980 So I'm all yours. What's your sense? How do you define feminism? Feminism is just simply the advocacy

00:53:22.220 of equality, both social, political, economic, on the basis of all genders everywhere. So that's what

00:53:29.020 feminism is to me. Do you concur? I concur. Do you concur? Concurred. Okay. Okay.

00:53:34.700 Yeah. So you want me to know your thought on that? Do you agree with their definition

00:53:40.700 of feminism? Um, she, I mean, that would probably be the most agreed upon definition. Um, so I do

00:53:47.820 believe in equality under the law. Obviously I believe in equality for representation or enfranchisement

00:53:55.740 to be able to vote, obviously. Um, but you said economic equality that that's interesting. Do you think

00:54:02.380 that female models and male models should be paid the same by law? Yeah. Yep. Okay. So we should make

00:54:10.060 female actresses and models pay, be paid less because they get, they earn about 20 times more

00:54:16.060 than men. I think women would get a pay cut. I think when it comes to creative fields like that,

00:54:22.140 it's going to be very difficult to look at it on the basis of like sex or gender, how you would pay

00:54:26.700 somebody, because that's going to have so many more factors and simply that. But if we're talking about

00:54:30.780 equal economic opportunities, like for example, should like a man and woman doing the exact same

00:54:35.660 position at a corporate office, be paid the same, if they're doing the same amount of work, then yes.

00:54:40.700 Depends on what they studied. Depends how long they've been there. It depends if they're equally

00:54:44.540 as good at the job. It depends. But all else being equal, I'm saying if all of those things are equal,

00:54:48.620 can we at least agree they should be paid the same? That's already, that's already the law.

00:54:51.500 So you're not allowed to discriminate based on gender or sex based on a law passed in the 1970s.

00:54:57.260 Yeah. However, what is now being tried to be passed through other movements is to try to

00:55:03.580 swoop in and say, regardless of qualifications, how often you ask for a raise. So I'll ask a question.

00:55:10.300 Why, why do you think, for example, the average male, it looks as if they earn more than

00:55:16.540 an average woman in a city? Is it because of sexism or other factors?

00:55:21.340 I think sometimes implicit bias can be one factor among many, but like all the things that you

00:55:26.940 mentioned earlier, different qualifications, different business acumen, skills, work output,

00:55:32.780 numbers of hours where it could all be things that impact pain. And like studies that like focus on

00:55:37.820 the gaps between men and women, like do make, make note of these differences.

00:55:41.980 Okay. Uh, SkizTech, thanks for the gift of the 100 subs. Uh, Charlie, do you have a response?

00:55:47.980 Uh, no, I, I hear that. I do want to actually get back to even more of a fundamental question,

00:55:51.900 and I'm sorry I didn't ask this. Sure. What is a woman?

00:55:56.940 A woman is somebody who presents as our social conception of womanhood. So you,

00:56:01.580 acts in such a way. So Pixie, just, can you answer that question without using the word woman or womanhood?

00:56:07.260 It's because basically it would be a functional definition. So as a society,

00:56:11.580 we have an understanding of what woman is. What is that?

00:56:14.540 It's a man. Yeah, that's basically. I am a man.

00:56:17.580 Well then. Can you elaborate?

00:56:19.980 XY chromosomes. Okay. But the problem with that is that I didn't check your chromosomes before coming

00:56:25.580 in here and calling you a man, and you didn't check my chromosomes before coming in here.

00:56:29.660 Or genitals. Or genitals, calling me a woman. So let me, let me just play this out. So first of all,

00:56:34.540 you can't give me a definition without using the word woman. That's a functional definition. Yeah,

00:56:38.860 sure. Do you know what functional definitions are? I'm very well aware. And you should have

00:56:42.380 a functional definition for the most important question in civilization, right? No. Well,

00:56:45.980 the point of a functional definition, functional definitions are a definition that is by the function

00:56:51.660 of something. So like, for example, um, no, there's an objective definition. One is like a,

00:56:57.180 like one is a function of one. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? I do. So then can you give me an

00:57:03.260 objective, a functional, utilitarian, any sort of biological definition of what a woman is?

00:57:08.140 Because how can, how can we debate feminism if we can't agree what a woman is?

00:57:11.820 I don't, I would even like, I feel like Pixie's definition absolutely satisfies the definition

00:57:16.780 of what constitutes womanhood, but I would define it only slightly differently, which is that it's a

00:57:21.580 person who performs a set of social roles that are typically associated with, um, with feminine

00:57:27.820 characteristics, but not necessarily because there are even cis women who fall outside of this

00:57:33.020 and we still consider them women nonetheless, like butch lesbians, for example, are women that

00:57:36.940 exhibit very masculine characteristics, but nonetheless, society understands them to be women.

00:57:40.940 So I find cis to be a very offensive word, by the way. I don't know how you feel about the cis.

00:57:46.380 I don't, I don't, I don't think, I don't think it's hate speech to be honest.

00:57:49.740 I didn't mean to trigger you guys. I would have given you a trigger warning before.

00:57:52.540 So do you think anyone can become a woman? Yep. But not anyone will. Okay. So then at what point

00:57:58.780 do they become a woman? It will depend on where they are in their gender transition for the most

00:58:03.340 part. Does it require drugs to become a woman? No. Personally, I think it's a mindset. It's a,

00:58:07.980 it's a spiritual energy. It's, it's the vibe that you give off, you know, like. The, the vibe. Um,

00:58:14.220 before we continue on, I want to just give everyone an opportunity to answer Charlie. No, totally fine.

00:58:18.700 To answer Charlie's question. I know you two had already answered. Uh, what, what is a woman?

00:58:24.140 Starting with you. We'll go around the table. Go ahead. Um, can you, um, skip me? We'll come back

00:58:30.460 to her. I am a woman. That's the best answer. That's the one that Katanji Brown Jackson

00:58:36.060 should have given in front of the Senate. So come back to you. Yeah, come back to me. Come back to me.

00:58:41.260 Let me. Sure. Okay. Go ahead. Same. I'm like, I'm a woman. What is a woman? Like, I don't. What about you?

00:58:47.820 Can I have you tilt your mic down just a tad? Yeah. Perfect. Go ahead. Right there. Yeah. Um,

00:58:54.780 I'm a woman. Um, but I also do think that, um, a woman is someone who identifies as a woman. Um,

00:59:03.180 and that's, that's that. I mean, theoretically, it's someone who's born with a womb,

00:59:11.020 but this generation obviously has proven that people, men can turn into women. Um, so I'm not

00:59:17.260 discluding that. I still think that they should be, um, perceived as what they're, um, portraying

00:59:23.660 themselves as, but technically I still think trans girls, they are a version of a man, but they can

00:59:29.660 still be classed as a woman, which is a bit tricky, but yeah. Yeah. Molly. Um, also the same answer. I

00:59:36.220 think, I think what constitute as a woman is the energy that you give off and that you want to put out into

00:59:40.940 the world. Hmm. So if being a woman or a female is a mindset, can your age also be a mindset? Can you

00:59:50.620 choose to be, can you just say, I feel 14, which is a classifiable mental condition by the way of in it.

00:59:56.780 So I, I will say, um, yes, I know people that act way younger than they actually are and they love

01:00:04.540 acting way younger than they actually are. And I know people that, you know, like act way older than

01:00:09.420 they are and they, you know, and they pride themselves in that. And I think. Okay. Fair

01:00:13.340 enough. So if a 35 year old man claims, he's 14, should we have any problem if he wants to have

01:00:19.500 sex with another 14 year old? No, no, no. I'm not saying that you should probably should have a

01:00:23.100 problem. No, no, no. I'm not saying that they should be able to have sex, but, but they can,

01:00:28.300 they can say he's not 14, 14, right? Okay. Grid one motorsports donated $200. The man who owns

01:00:37.260 it paid himself one comma three mill a day last year. He loves feminism today. Men acting female

01:00:43.740 can be better women than real women. Feminism has failed you. How can the patriarchy help you today?

01:00:49.820 That was beautiful. Good one. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah. He's nice.

01:00:55.500 Um, so going back, but if your identity can, is an energy or a feeling that can change,

01:01:02.620 why would it be wrong for a 35 year old to say he's 14? Therefore, but then how is someone who has

01:01:09.180 male parts, a woman, if he's not a woman, that's two different things. It's a mindset. Your age isn't a

01:01:16.220 mindset. I mean, like, but then why is, why is your sex or your gender a mindset and your age isn't?

01:01:22.140 I don't know which one is, which one of you could probably say that sex and do you agree? At least

01:01:27.180 acknowledge that sex and gender are two separate things. There are zero genders, two sexes and

01:01:31.580 infinite personalities. Okay. Gender doesn't exist. What do you mean? Okay. Sex does. So the parts

01:01:38.620 you're born with is who you are. How does gender not exist? It's a 1960s clinical term,

01:01:43.500 largely made out of the Academy of John Money and Alfred Kinsey and many postmodern child

01:01:49.740 psychiatrists, many of whom, by the way, were not really great people, but we don't have to go into

01:01:53.260 that. But gender is a new term of the last 50 or 60 years. Yeah. But it still exists. But

01:01:58.700 personalities exist. We can agree with that. Proclivities or interests or likes exist. So by that

01:02:04.620 definition, then you're, if you're a woman or a man is your energy, it is your personality.

01:02:09.740 Well, yeah, you're, the goal or what used to be the case is the vast, vast, vast majority,

01:02:16.140 99.9% of all people, their biology and their reality or their, how they viewed their reality,

01:02:21.740 I should say, were in alignment. And now that's not so much the case. So people are, first of all,

01:02:27.020 there's many elements to this. People are told that they can become something they can't. So they go on

01:02:32.460 a very, very damaging, self-destructive pattern of medical interventions that even if you're pro

01:02:40.380 trans, you have to acknowledge that, you know, hysterectomy at age 17 is not exactly an easy

01:02:45.900 surgery. I don't think anyone at 17 should be altering their body. No, I agree. It's just,

01:02:51.660 it's happening right now at a rate, thousands of young kids across the country are getting

01:02:55.660 what is called gender affirming care, gender affirming care, but it's irreversible.

01:03:00.380 Care or surgeries?

01:03:01.340 Both. So puberty blockers and hormone blockers.

01:03:03.820 There's thousands of kids that are getting hysterectomies across the United States.

01:03:06.700 No, thousands of kids are getting puberty blockers or hormone blockers or puberty blockers,

01:03:11.020 probably even more, tens of thousands. You could stop using those though.

01:03:13.420 And as far as breast reduction surgery or hysterectomies, we don't know the number,

01:03:16.780 but I'll even say it's probably only a couple dozen. It's probably, you're right. It's probably not

01:03:19.740 thousands. Right. But it's any, we don't know the exact numbers, but an estimate is anywhere

01:03:23.980 between 10 to 15,000 minors and is growing are currently receiving monthly doses of hormone

01:03:29.900 replacement theory, estrogenic therapy. Yeah. But you can stop those and be like,

01:03:35.340 well, that's the question, right? There's a lot of detransitioners that are speaking out that are

01:03:39.260 not able to restart. You know, puberty is not an assembly line that you could just push a button

01:03:43.260 and restart. That is a increasingly disproven scientific theory right now. Chloe Cole is one of

01:03:49.100 the most famous detransitioners who she's in her twenties and she was sold the bill of goods. And when she was 16,

01:03:53.900 she said, I think I'm a man. And she went on a very, very aggressive regimen of hormone blockers

01:03:58.220 and puberty blockers. Um, and she has huge regret and hopefully one day she'll be able to have,

01:04:04.060 you know, have children again, but it gets back to a question of can, so I'm just making a point

01:04:09.340 though, that these, these ideas have consequences. It's more than just a silly question. Oh, what is a

01:04:13.020 woman that if you can't answer it, or at the very least say that you should allow minors to become

01:04:17.820 adults before they make these decisions, then, and this is not a small thing, the quote unquote gender

01:04:23.260 affirming care. We know that in California, you have to be 18 years old to get a tattoo.

01:04:28.220 And yet 14 year olds can go to what we call a doctor and get a highly aggressive hormone replacement

01:04:34.540 therapy treatment sometimes without even notifying their parent. And all of these are ramifications of

01:04:41.020 the inability to answer very simple biological questions. I would be interested in seeing your

01:04:45.260 exact like study or citation for when it comes to like puberty blockers, because I know a lot of

01:04:50.460 people are not a lot of people. There's a lot of people who end up on puberty blockers,

01:04:54.620 not because they're necessarily trans, but because they're going through puberty too early. And there

01:04:59.020 are clear like negative side effects and consequences of let's say like a 10 year old girl getting her

01:05:03.740 period. That's a separate, you're right. Yeah, but it's used on cis children. I think like what you're

01:05:08.380 talking about is precocious puberty. But it's not used on perfectly healthy, physically able-bodied

01:05:13.340 children, right? So there's a great book that I'll write. I guess we have to read this book.

01:05:16.780 Modest Hikima donated $200. Charlie, sorry you had to travel to Commie Fornia for the show.

01:05:23.980 My boy did you dirty by putting you next to the demon, WTF.

01:05:28.460 I don't think you're a demon, by the way.

01:05:29.900 I do.

01:05:30.460 Props on the new Rick Rickson.

01:05:31.980 Well, maybe you are a demon.

01:05:32.780 You can see you are brain dead. Sad.

01:05:35.340 Sad.

01:05:36.780 All right. Modest Akama, good to see you in the chat.

01:05:38.860 I'll reference one book and she's a non-political doctor. Her name is Dr. Miriam Grossman. It's a

01:05:44.460 book called Lost in Trans Nation. She has treated, not just theorized, she's a clinician and a

01:05:50.540 physician, not just someone who writes abstract medical journals. And she is one of the most

01:05:55.500 outspoken people against what is called gender affirming care. And she's treating hundreds of

01:06:00.620 kids that are now damaged by this. So I know detransitioners exist, but what do you say to the

01:06:05.100 thousands of trans people that actually report happiness and being healthy after they receive

01:06:09.180 gender affirming care? Don't doubt that in the short term, testosterone therapy from someone who

01:06:13.980 has a fair amount of testosterone, it can make you feel confident. It can make you feel better in

01:06:19.100 your skin. That is not a lasting effect though. But it is for some people. Well, the suicide rate,

01:06:24.700 I can't say that word. Sorry. The self-harm rate after eight to 10 years actually goes up. It

01:06:30.540 nearly doubles. And we're still studying it. That's the other point is that I'm not going to throw

01:06:34.460 around a lot of studies here. And they very well might be right. It might've helped them individually,

01:06:39.900 but let me give you an example. If a medication is on the market and it harms one in 250,000 people,

01:06:45.740 for example, Robitussin, you guys ever take Robitussin? No, it's a cough thing. It's, you know,

01:06:50.220 they, they, they found that one of their lots of Robitussin last week might have been contaminated

01:06:55.340 and they did a massive recall, right? And it was just a whisper of it. Okay. The point that is in

01:07:00.700 medicine, the first rule used to be first, do no harm. And the fact, it still is, right?

01:07:04.940 No, they've changed it. The Hippocratic Oath?

01:07:06.540 They've changed it. Yeah. They have. Who's they?

01:07:08.700 The American Medical Association and a lot of the medical institutions. It's similar,

01:07:13.260 but it's not the same. They've been changed by like woke ideology?

01:07:15.260 Well, you'd be surprised actually. The medical industry has been taken over by a lot of radical

01:07:19.980 forces. All doctors are woke now? Well, for example, I mean, when they were giving monoclonal antibodies

01:07:24.780 in the city of New York, they were prioritizing people based on the color of their skin.

01:07:27.900 Black individuals in New York got monoclonal antibodies above their white counterparts.

01:07:32.380 Was it based on the color of their skin or like maybe their background related to like

01:07:35.820 their socioeconomic status? It was racial, but I don't want to get too deep into that rabbit hole.

01:07:40.220 But the point that I'm just trying to make is that in medicine in particular,

01:07:43.500 you must have a cautious approach, even if there were pluses and positives, which might very well be

01:07:47.980 true. If there's even a 1%, a 2% adverse event, you pull the drug immediately because you first do no

01:07:53.900 harm. If there's something that is actively damaging a society and it's now a certifiable

01:07:59.820 fact that we see thousands of young kids are being told that they can transition when in reality,

01:08:05.260 they have other underlying issues that we should address depression, trauma, anxiety,

01:08:08.860 or they're on the autism spectrum disorder. And they get mislabeled because on whether a tick

01:08:13.420 tock video or some sort of other thing makes them feel as if they might have, you know,

01:08:18.380 a transgender issue when they very well might have other issues that need to be addressed. One in 27

01:08:24.300 men are, young boys are autistic. Anyway, sorry. I don't mean- No, totally fine. I just had a quick

01:08:29.580 question for you two, since you guys had pretty strong positions on this. Can men get pregnant?

01:08:36.300 Oh, okay. Hold on.

01:08:38.300 All right, Grid One Motorsports. They no longer call it gender dysphoria, unfortunately. I just want to

01:08:56.300 actually make your argument for you. They don't even call it a medical condition. They call it,

01:09:02.060 I actually don't even know what it's actually called. Gender dysphoria used to be the clinical

01:09:05.260 term. They've changed it since. Yeah, that's right. But I can go deeper into that. The old way we used

01:09:11.660 to treat this is called watchful waiting, where we believed that puberty was the solution, not the

01:09:15.820 problem. And almost every single case in Europe was actually the pioneer of this, is that when you

01:09:20.460 allow puberty to play its course, these individuals, they might end up being lesbian or gay, but not

01:09:26.060 transgender. And that's a completely different thing that doesn't require hormones or eventually

01:09:30.860 antidepressants on top of it. I'm sorry, Pixie, you were going to say something.

01:09:33.980 Yeah, my question was, can men get pregnant?

01:09:37.900 Two things. I would say if you're a biological male, if we're going to define male through

01:09:42.220 biology or whatever, then no. I do want to push back on some things that I heard earlier.

01:09:47.180 Well, before you do that, go ahead. Erin, do you have an answer to that?

01:09:50.940 I would say yes, because anybody who has a uterus has the capacity to give birth. So,

01:09:55.340 for example, a trans guy who gets pregnant, yes, would be a man who is pregnant. But if you're

01:09:59.820 talking about a man who is assigned a man at birth and does not have a uterus, then no,

01:10:03.900 he doesn't have the ability to get pregnant. You look at me like I'm crazy or what? Do you disagree?

01:10:08.220 But a lot of women... So do you want to know why young men

01:10:11.020 are going away from the left? That's why young men are leaving the left.

01:10:14.860 Why?

01:10:15.740 Why? Because what you just said is... Because they're uncomfortable acknowledging

01:10:18.780 reality. That some trans men can get pregnant. What you just said is at war with reality and

01:10:24.380 massacring basic vocabulary. I mean, a lot of women can't get pregnant either, so that doesn't

01:10:28.060 define... Yeah, exactly. It's just a question, you know. I'll let you come in in just a sec, Pixie.

01:10:34.300 Which one of you referenced chromosomes? Is that... Well, you said like, oh, you didn't check our

01:10:40.140 chromosomes, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, people understood what a woman was before chromosomes

01:10:45.340 were discovered. So the definition does not require this type of abstraction. People understood

01:10:52.220 what a woman was on the basis of the societal norms at the time, generally speaking, right?

01:10:57.420 Well, it's more precisely, it's about like the gonads. If you were at any point in your life

01:11:01.260 going to produce large gametes, then you're a woman. They... How society, at least most societies

01:11:09.820 as well, outside of like Western as well, but even Western, we can make this argument. Okay.

01:11:14.300 What they would look at is the way that a person is like necessarily performing. So what is their role?

01:11:18.620 That's why you have like the idea of like non-binary, third gender, et cetera, et cetera,

01:11:22.620 because there have been people also who have not performed their role as like a male or female.

01:11:27.020 So they're put into the third category, third sex, whatever. Okay. So I would argue that for the

01:11:32.300 vast majority of human histories and societies, what they look at is, what is your performance?

01:11:38.940 And that maps onto what we do now, because we don't really look at biology. We look at people act.

01:11:44.220 You said... And that's why, let me finish. Go ahead.

01:11:46.140 That's why we also, the terms less manly, he's less of a man than him, or she's not that womanly,

01:11:52.940 makes sense. If gender was truly a binary, those words would make no sense. It would be like cat

01:11:57.820 and not cat. That doesn't, you can't have a in-between really. And the same thing applies

01:12:02.780 for gender. There is a spectrum there. That's why the words less womanly, more womanly, more manly,

01:12:07.580 less manly, make sense to us. And all of those things are fluid throughout

01:12:11.660 time. Like what constituted like masculine tendencies or behaviors will be different now than it was several

01:12:16.540 years ago. Or even like things like colors, like for example, pink used to be considered a masculine color.

01:12:21.500 Pink is no longer really considered a masculine color. It's considered a feminine color.

01:12:24.700 So there was never anything inherently masculine about the color blue or the color pink or anything

01:12:29.420 like that. That could always change at any given point in time.

01:12:31.820 Do you think that male brains and female brains or men and women brains are different?

01:12:36.780 Wired differently?

01:12:37.820 There are differences between male and female brains, but I believe it's a matter of like statistical

01:12:42.940 averages of like gray matter. There's not going to be like distinct anatomical features

01:12:46.380 that differentiate a female brain from a male brain.

01:12:48.380 You really think that?

01:12:51.660 Well, no, it's proven like scientifically.

01:12:53.660 Well, no, it's not.

01:12:54.620 Yes, it is. When we take a brain scan of a male and female, the average doctor can't look and be

01:12:59.980 like, that is a male brain right there.

01:13:01.420 Not true.

01:13:01.740 No, hold on.

01:13:02.540 Wait, let me finish my sentence, please.

01:13:04.140 If you do a spec scan, okay. If you do a spec scan, you can see what parts of the brain light

01:13:07.420 up. And in a woman, the basal ganglia and the amygdala is far more active, which is the inner

01:13:13.580 thought matrix. Women have a far busier inner thought life than men do. Would you guys agree

01:13:18.700 with that?

01:13:18.940 I agree.

01:13:19.420 I was going to say it's very well known that like men generally are more on the logical

01:13:26.700 side of things and women are more on the emotional side of things. And I think that has a big role

01:13:31.260 or the way that our brains are wired has a big role to play. I'm not saying that if you took

01:13:34.860 babies who were completely unmolded that, you know, their brains would look different.

01:13:38.700 But, um, I think as we age, um, living in the gender that we are given, um, you know,

01:13:47.020 our brains become attuned to certain things. And that's why parts of our-

01:13:51.020 Yeah. Like piggybacking off of that point, I don't doubt that the studies that you looked at

01:13:54.060 did find differences in like brain mapping scans between men and women. But the key thing is that

01:13:58.140 they looked at men and women. So that's already a brain that's been subjected to a lifetime or not

01:14:02.140 a lifetime, but like decades long socialization. So that socialization is going to impact it.

01:14:06.300 If you looked at like a brain scan of like infants, for example, like a male infant and a female

01:14:10.700 infant, it would be like, like how much, how different would it really look? Do you think

01:14:15.500 it would look significantly different? No, it's not even close. Of course it's different. And I can,

01:14:18.860 I can prove it to you in two ways, but the first one, do you guys know the John Money gender experiment?

01:14:23.260 No. So, okay. Really quick. John Money, who is a total creep. He, uh, believed that people,

01:14:28.700 this is before we mapped the human genome. Okay. This is before we even knew about chromosomes.

01:14:31.740 He said that men and women are blank slates at birth. And he said that they're formed through

01:14:37.420 the toys we give them, the colors we appropriate to them. And they're blank slates. He, then there

01:14:41.180 was these identical twins. One of the twins twins burns themselves terribly in the genitals. And he

01:14:45.500 said, raise that twin as a girl. And basically his entire life, he was tortured and, you know,

01:14:50.860 awful, awful story eventually rebelled against John Money. And this twin eventually was told that,

01:14:54.940 hey, you were born a boy, but raised as a girl and even had a vet, a vagina put onto you artificially.

01:15:00.220 And he was like, instead of being mad, he was relieved because he said, I knew I was a boy

01:15:03.740 all along. So there's no clinical evidence to support that. Secondly, though, it's a funnier one.

01:15:08.620 Okay. Do you hear me out? And I think this will resonate with all of you. Harvard University locked

01:15:12.860 a group of men in a room alone, a hundred of them and a group of women in a room alone. Okay. And they

01:15:17.340 said, what did you think about for 30 minutes? The men, no surprise, sex and sports. The young ladies,

01:15:22.460 what did they think of for 30 minutes? They replayed conversations that they had in the last couple of

01:15:28.060 days. For the record, a man has never replayed conversations that they've had. Our brains are

01:15:37.740 different, everybody. Do you really not do that? I feel like I overthink everything.

01:15:39.740 No, of course not. You don't think about conversations?

01:15:41.820 You've never had like a shower argument or like shower thoughts or anything like that?

01:15:45.100 No, and that's not society, my friend. That is biology. You are wired to have those rethoughts. We

01:15:51.500 aren't. It's not a learned behavior. It's not about dolls. It's not about dresses.

01:15:54.940 Our biology, our brains are made differently. I don't think anyone's disputing that we have

01:16:01.180 like differences. We don't replay any conversations.

01:16:03.100 Ever. You've never like done that.

01:16:05.180 The thing where trans people-

01:16:06.620 Because sometimes I'm, sometimes I will-

01:16:09.420 You've got to go on hormone blockers.

01:16:10.860 Very rarely though. Very rarely, sometimes, occasionally.

01:16:13.340 We, men are very forward thinking. What is next? The job, the interview, tomorrow. And

01:16:18.860 I'm not saying women aren't. Women are very reflective. That's why females are better at poetry.

01:16:25.260 Women are better at the more relational type aspects of being a nurse or an elementary school

01:16:30.380 teacher. Again, that's not learned behavior. There is a biological element to it. And it starts with,

01:16:36.220 we don't even understand the brain as much as we can. We understand like 1% of 1% of it. But I

01:16:40.460 think that study and your reaction affirms it, because if I had a group of men around you,

01:16:44.540 what do you think of when you're alone? Like, I just think of the NFC championship game,

01:16:47.260 the stock market, and you know, all the women I've been with or the women I want to be with.

01:16:51.740 It's a little different.

01:16:52.540 Do you think if they had conducted this study in a different country,

01:16:55.260 that the men and women would have given these same answers?

01:16:57.660 Uh, yes. I think that these things are universal. And I mean, I can't say to that,

01:17:03.740 that would be my speculation, that the men in Iran are thinking about soccer and Persian women,

01:17:10.540 and the women are thinking about, you know, what's going on in their local neighborhood.

01:17:14.620 These things transcend continent, they transcend culture. And we know that because one of the

01:17:19.020 arguments that you were making is that, well, you know, at the fundamental root, these are learned

01:17:23.340 and active, you know, these are, these are put on by Western society. But you go into African villages,

01:17:27.340 like very poor third world African villages, they don't even have a term for transgender. The idea

01:17:32.380 that man can become a woman or a woman can become man. This is a uniquely Western phenomenon that is

01:17:37.740 born out of the academy, born out of college, that I will say, and I think we could agree,

01:17:42.460 is, is largely, they prey on people that have other underlying issues. And then it gets built

01:17:48.380 on top of that. Autism spectrum disorder, depression, anxiety, some other sort of,

01:17:53.820 bipolar, schizophrenia, thing, trauma, things of that nature.

01:17:56.300 Um, there's a couple of things to push back here, Brian.

01:17:59.500 If you can, quick.

01:18:00.380 I don't mean to monopolize. I'm sorry, Pixie.

01:18:02.380 No, it's okay. Um, there's a couple of things. I do want to push back on that because like,

01:18:07.180 there are like communities and cultures that we could search up right now in China,

01:18:10.860 India, various like Native American, like histories that have recognized idea of like

01:18:15.100 third gender or outside gender, um, that doesn't fit into this binary. So I wouldn't say it's just

01:18:19.180 Western. And then on top of that,

01:18:20.780 Wait, let it, let them answer.

01:18:21.580 No, but no, no, please continue. You are right. I can address that at length. I don't think it's

01:18:25.500 true. Okay. Keep going. Okay.

01:18:26.860 You're not wrong.

01:18:27.580 And then on top of that, you gave a case study. I kind of want to give a case study back. Um,

01:18:31.580 NPR did a article on this. I can't remember the name, but basically it was about a person who

01:18:36.540 felt gender fluid. And when they felt like they were a man and they did things like spatial

01:18:41.500 recognition or other tests regarding that, they would score like a man does like higher than

01:18:46.460 most women. But when they got into the mindset of being a woman, they would score higher in woman

01:18:51.260 related tasks. So yeah, it does come back. You're saying like, this is all predisposed, um,

01:18:55.420 biology, biology, biology, but there might be something to be said about like, oh no,

01:18:59.100 if you're thinking like a man, the mindset of a man, maybe that's more in tune with certain ways

01:19:04.140 of thinking versus thinking like a woman. That doesn't mean it's all 100% biological basis.

01:19:08.700 It means that like, Hey, if you're raised to think in a certain pattern, you're going to perform in

01:19:12.620 that pattern. I agree. I mean, if a society, a society can mold you, of course, but you're dealing

01:19:17.100 with very powerful raw material that's underestimated in the current cultural conversation. And you can only

01:19:22.860 guide that raw material so much. So let me ask another hypothetical. I'll just tell you,

01:19:27.740 if I sit down with men, what do they always talk about? They talk about macro concepts, big things,

01:19:32.860 stock markets, sports, you know, things that are very, you know, like, let's just say bigger than

01:19:37.900 individual women. If you sit down, they'll talk a lot about conversations or relationships,

01:19:41.660 their kids, very micro this, you know, one of the reasons why men and women brains are different,

01:19:47.100 and they continue to be different is there's different skill sets. And I think we can all acknowledge

01:19:50.060 that. Like men are better at some things than women and women, women are better some things

01:19:53.580 than men. I don't know why that is a wildly. The way that you frame it is like, oh, women

01:19:57.980 are awesome at like small talk and like sewing or whatever. And then men are just awesome at like

01:20:02.060 the stock market and being CEOs. Let me ask you a question.

01:20:06.540 Let me ask you a question. Why is it that the international chess foundation doesn't want

01:20:10.540 biological men who, who believe they are women to compete with women? They say that will not allow

01:20:16.780 trans men into the female category. Why is that? I can't speak to that, but I'm just,

01:20:20.700 if you're going to talk about like representation being the thing that lets you know that, oh,

01:20:24.540 men are obviously smarter. You could break this down to race. I never said smarter. I never said

01:20:28.940 smart. I said different. Then different women. Okay. Then we could say this. My wife does things with

01:20:33.500 my child that I can't even dream of doing such as having an intuition, compassion, empathy. She can

01:20:40.940 operate on 30 minutes of sleep. I need eight hours or else I'm like. Don't underestimate yourself,

01:20:45.500 Charlie. Hold on a second. No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. No, they're women have a different

01:20:49.740 giftedness. I believe given by God that is completely different. I never said smarter.

01:20:54.060 In fact, a woman's intuition is far better than my intuition. I trust my, my wife's gut when it comes

01:20:58.780 to people, when it comes to relationships and she leans on me for, you know, investments or politics.

01:21:05.420 We are given different gifting. Now, with that being said, some women have a gifting in that

01:21:09.100 direction. Those are the exception though. There is a general rule. And the general rule

01:21:13.980 is that women are far more gifted at people and caretaking and the intimate. I don't mean

01:21:19.020 that demeaning or derogatory. I never use the word smarter or dumber that you might be, you might be

01:21:23.340 inferred. Oh, thank you, Molly. No, I, I actually very much agree with what you're saying. Me personally,

01:21:29.660 I mean, sexuality is a big part of my life. And I think what you're saying actually really ties into

01:21:35.740 a lot of like sexuality because it's the man's role to be, um, you know, kind of like the, I mean,

01:21:43.180 if you're talking like the nuclear family, you know, it's like the man's role to kind of be the

01:21:46.460 governing force of the family, take care of everything on the outside, take care of, uh,

01:21:49.980 you know, the finances, the stocks, all of that, and to kind of be the rock for all of the, um,

01:21:56.940 little things that the woman has to go through during the day. Um, just all the little conversations,

01:22:02.700 all the things that she has to deal with that you're not there. And I think that, um,

01:22:07.980 you know, it's a really beautiful thing, like yin and yang, you know, like there's,

01:22:11.260 it is beautiful parts of men that compliment women and there's parts of women that compliment men.

01:22:15.980 And the best thing is, is there's things that women can do that men cannot. And there's things

01:22:20.780 that men can do that women cannot. And I think that the issue is we try and figure out like,

01:22:24.860 who's better, what, who's more powerful, who can, you know, who gets to say, uh, what happens.

01:22:30.620 And I think that the issue that's really dividing and the beauty comes when you kind of

01:22:35.740 bring those skills together. That's wonderfully said, Molly. That was beautiful, Molly. Let me

01:22:40.780 switch to something really quick. We do have two chats we have to read. Then we'll come back to this

01:22:44.540 topic. We have doc here. M. Scott Peck defined love as the act of promoting one's spiritual growth.

01:22:50.780 The emotion of love is experienced when we act accordingly. Most of this panel confuses love

01:22:55.900 with Eros sad. Hey doc. Thank you so much, man. Appreciate your support. Thank you. Good to see

01:23:00.940 you back in the chat. We have Charlie Kirk fan. May I ask the panel, do you think the long-term

01:23:08.540 benefits of commitment and monogamy outweigh the short-term dopamine hits that come with less

01:23:12.860 committed, less loyal damaging relationships slash hookups? We can go around the panel really quick

01:23:18.140 on that starting with you. Go ahead. Could you, um, explain a little bit more? Give me a little

01:23:23.260 bit. So can I, can I tell them about dopamine? Sure. It's super good. So dopamine is called a

01:23:28.300 neurotransmitter. It goes super fast, like a million miles an hour. Not that fast, but like almost,

01:23:33.020 yeah, there you go. It is, it is the reward molecule. So dopamine comes out when you have certain things,

01:23:39.580 uh, a rewarding, uh, you it's, it's forward looking, right? So you actually don't get a dopamine release

01:23:45.340 when you hit the climax, that's serotonin or oxytocin. Uh, it is in anticipation. So you're

01:23:50.220 hungry. You're going for a good meal or you're going to the next porn video or whatever it might

01:23:55.100 be. Um, so the dopamine hits are addictive. So whatever gives you dopamine you want more of,

01:24:00.300 um, and your, your brain is really dopamine dumb. So it doesn't know when it's had too much,

01:24:05.340 but we've learned in the dopamine science, I'm sorry to monopolize on this, but there's a great book

01:24:09.180 by a woman by the name of Dr. Anna Lemke who did the best book on dopamine. It's called dopamine nation

01:24:13.580 is that for every interval you go up of dopamine, you must go down. That's why when people go really

01:24:18.380 deep into dopamine, they end up getting into depression in the days of the weeks that follow.

01:24:22.140 So you go to a rock concert, you're so overwhelmed. You might do some drugs, cocaine, cocaine spokes,

01:24:26.620 spikes, dopamine, alcohol spikes, dopamine, sex spikes, dopamine, your brain then has to interval

01:24:31.180 back. So that's four days. Like I feel so low. It's nothing wrong with you. And so that's one of my

01:24:35.180 arguments against pornography is that without, you know, it, you're actually lowering your dopamine

01:24:39.100 interval. So I hope that's helpful. Thank you. It is. Um, I just, can you repeat the question

01:24:44.060 one more time with the actual, it's about, uh, do you think, uh, the dope, do you think that dopamine

01:24:49.340 hits are worth it? The long-term benefits of commitment and monogamy, do they outweigh the

01:24:53.820 short-term dopamine hits that come with less committed, less loyal, damaging relationships,

01:24:57.820 slash hookups? For example, it might be very exciting if you're, you know, jumping from one casual hookup

01:25:04.140 to the next, but does that excitement outweigh the long-term benefits of commitment, long-term

01:25:11.420 relationships, monogamy, et cetera? I, for me personally, for me, I value, like I want a

01:25:19.260 long-term commitment. I want a loyal, loyal relationship. And I, I don't really do like the

01:25:26.460 hookup culture. I don't, I only have sex with whoever I'm with, whoever, whoever I'm dating. Um,

01:25:31.900 I feel like everybody's entitled to their own opinion as well, too. But for me personally,

01:25:36.620 I feel like it's not worth it. Um, and I rather, uh, how do I put this into words? I'm sorry. I'm

01:25:44.300 struggling with my thoughts a little bit, but that's, that's my opinion on it. Me personally,

01:25:49.980 I enjoy that stability, but those are my personal preferences that I'm not really interested in

01:25:54.140 imposing upon other people. So I think it really comes down to if hookups are the thing that make

01:25:59.100 you happy or whatever. I don't see anything wrong with going that way. I think I'm confused with the

01:26:03.100 question. That was me too. Yeah, I'm not into hookup culture, so. Okay. I also am not into hookup

01:26:13.180 culture, but I, uh, personally think that, you know, to each their own. Um, you know, if that's,

01:26:17.900 again, what makes you happy. Um, but I think kind of, um, being single for a year and going on dates,

01:26:26.380 I wasn't in hookup culture necessarily, but I was going on dates with multiple people. Um,

01:26:31.900 it is, it can be a little depressing for sure. When you say you're going on dates with multiple

01:26:36.620 people, what was the, in an average week, what was, uh, how many dates were you going on? Um,

01:26:43.660 I wasn't too like date, date, date. It was, um, you know, I was on Hinge. I was on Tinder. I would,

01:26:50.780 maybe have a date with one or two people a week. Sometimes for a few weeks, I wouldn't have any

01:26:55.980 dates. Um, but yeah, it, it would be kind of depressing. You could, you know, go on a date

01:27:00.460 with someone multiple times and then it doesn't work out. And then, you know, um, but I do think

01:27:06.940 long, I do want something like long term, um, because I don't think personally that that is good

01:27:13.900 for me because of the person that I am. Um, so yeah. What about you, Tina? Um, long-term

01:27:20.380 commitment kind of feels like prison to me. So, um, I'm just chilling doing what I want to do. I'm not

01:27:26.220 a big fan of hookup culture. Um, but obviously I do do it for filming. So that kind of gives me

01:27:31.740 what I need. Um, but then I'm chilling. Nick Schmexy donated $200. Hey, Brian and Charlie. Will you

01:27:39.900 guys post the stream after? I haven't been paying attention because I'm whacking off to Angel and

01:27:45.900 Sophia. Welcome to the whatever podcast where we should probably moderate these. Uh, appreciate the

01:27:50.860 Nick. I do have a, I mean, you, you, you all deserve better men than what America's producing.

01:27:55.500 You really do. I mean, you, you, you, you deserve better, you deserve better men than what,

01:28:01.980 what this culture is producing. Okay. Uh, well, Tina, coming back to you really quick. I mean,

01:28:07.260 in some of your pre-show notes here that you provided, you said, for example, that you guess

01:28:12.380 you always end up sleeping through friend groups. Hot take could be that you're all for open,

01:28:17.020 non-traditional relationships. Um, you said that one time you left a guy asleep in your hotel room

01:28:23.500 to go hook up with three other guys. Um, there's more there. I can read more. Um, you said, you also

01:28:31.660 said commitment to one person is difficult for you. Um, I suppose it's good that you're at least

01:28:36.300 self-aware. Um, do you care to elaborate a bit on that? Um, on which part? I don't know. There's a lot

01:28:45.340 the story though. Yeah, I did. I did once leave a guy in my hotel room. He fell asleep. He just kept

01:28:50.620 dragging on about how I do OnlyFans and you can tell that he was getting turned on by it. And I,

01:28:55.020 my biggest ick is when guys are like so interested in what I do for work. Cause that's my work. So

01:28:59.740 when I'm talking to you about it, I'm just talking to you like, it's my work. So if you're like talking

01:29:03.260 to me and you're kind of getting excited that you're thinking you're on a hookup or something,

01:29:07.020 I'm just like, I'm so turned off. Yeah. Yeah. So luckily he fell asleep in my room. Luckily. Um,

01:29:12.460 I went for a shower cause I was like, if anything's gonna happen, I may as well shower be fresh anyways. I

01:29:16.060 didn't, I wasn't really into him, but I was like, sometimes you just have to put up with some things.

01:29:20.060 Um, but when I was in the shower, he fell asleep. And also while I was in the shower,

01:29:23.500 I got a text from another guy that was in the hotel. There was an event going on and he was like,

01:29:29.020 come say goodbye to me. And I was like, okay. And I went up and we did our thing. And then while we

01:29:33.420 were doing our thing, his coach and his manager were like knocking on his door to try and get him to

01:29:37.820 get on his flight. Cause he had an early flight and then they just joined in. And I,

01:29:41.900 I would like got a text then from the guy that was asleep in my room and he was just like, did you

01:29:45.260 leave? And I was like, yeah, I had to go say bye to a friend. And then I never heard from him again,

01:29:50.060 but that was good though, because he was weird. Haram. Uh, okay. So that's, uh, that's pretty

01:29:56.060 interesting. Um, we'll, we'll come back to that later. Uh, Molly, did you have a response to the

01:30:01.260 chat that came in? Yes. Okay. So, um, for me, I think that, uh, relationship stability

01:30:08.940 and those little dopamine hookup hits come together. Um, I, uh, kind of utilize both.

01:30:16.860 So for me, like I have sex at work with people that aren't my boyfriend. So like, yes, it is very

01:30:26.140 chemically draining after you have an orgasm and like, obviously you're tired, you're depleted of

01:30:31.740 all of those crazy dopamine, whatevers. And, um, you get a little sad. So after my scenes,

01:30:38.940 when I'm driving home, the only thing that's like, oh, like, I'm, I'm not going to be alone.

01:30:43.900 Like I'm going to have my boyfriend, like we're going to hang out and he's going to love me. And

01:30:47.100 like, he's going to be so proud of me. Cause I did work today and yeah, like it all just kind of ties

01:30:52.540 in. Like if I, if I didn't have those little dopamine hits, I would feel like I was in prison

01:30:57.180 and I'm sure he would go the same way. So it just, it all works out. Oh, we have another one

01:31:01.820 coming. Modest Hikima donated $200. Charlie stole my usual question of even wearing my Matt Walsh

01:31:09.660 flannel and WTF. So, uh, spawn of Satan. How much more traffic do you expect to Europe from nips

01:31:17.420 rather than wearing clothes? All right. They're spicy tonight. A, uh, Modest Akama. Thank you.

01:31:22.700 Appreciate it. Um, about 3% more traffic, about 3.5% more traffic is what Molly's expecting.

01:31:30.460 Um, Charlie, it sounded like you were about to come in on something. Do you have something quick

01:31:33.820 on that? No, just, uh, look, dopamine is a very serious chemical. It, if you mismanage it, it leads

01:31:40.220 a lot of people to self harm and to depression. And so, but there are ways to healthfully manage

01:31:46.540 dopamine and it is ways such as fulfilling work, purpose, relationships, a spiritual life, uh,

01:31:52.780 eating, healthy, intermittent fasting, cold water exposure. Um, so just be very careful for whatever

01:31:58.300 it's worth, not that you're going to listen to what I say, because if you start to, if you start

01:32:02.060 to overindulge in cheap dopamine hits, then you're going to need a bigger and bigger dopamine hit.

01:32:06.300 Um, and then eventually you get to a place where you can't hit that high again and then you crater

01:32:11.980 and you crash. And my prayer for all of you is that you don't have to, don't have to live through

01:32:15.660 that because it's pretty dark. I want to bring it back because the trans topic came up before.

01:32:19.980 And if I can try to relate it to dating here, I do want to go around the panel on this.

01:32:25.580 Do you, and I mean, this could go both ways, but to the panel, do you object to a man not wanting

01:32:34.540 to date a trans woman? Do you think that would be transphobic if a man did not want to date

01:32:40.060 a trans woman starting with you? We'll go around the panel. Go ahead.

01:32:43.420 I don't, I don't think so. I don't think it would be transphobic.

01:32:46.380 No. And any trans advocate who says that it is, is like a psyop there to make trans advocates look

01:32:51.100 bad. I don't think it's transphobic at all. It's perfectly fine to have genital preferences.

01:32:54.700 Okay. Same. Pixie?

01:32:56.620 Everyone's allowed to have whatever preference they want.

01:32:59.740 Okay. I agree. Yeah. I basically agree as well. I just think it's preference.

01:33:04.620 Concur. Okay. All right. Fair.

01:33:06.300 You don't need to know my answer.

01:33:07.660 Now, how about this though, to kind of take it to another layer? You know,

01:33:12.460 dating apps are incredibly popular. Most people are meeting online nowadays on dating apps,

01:33:18.060 social media, whatever. Do you think that somebody who's trans, whether trans man, trans woman,

01:33:26.060 do you think they have a duty to disclose, for example, on the dating app, a duty to disclose that

01:33:30.700 they are trans? And if so, at what point should they, you know, for example, should it be on their

01:33:36.540 profile during messaging before a date is scheduled on a first date, second date before intimacy,

01:33:43.020 after intimacy? Um, any thoughts on that starting with you?

01:33:46.940 Um, personally, first off, I hate going first. I get a little nervous.

01:33:50.940 I know it's tough. You're in the, you're in the hot seat, but I don't mind. Um, well, personally,

01:33:56.540 I feel like they should definitely before intimacy, definitely. And also

01:34:05.340 maybe even before, like they start building an emotional connection, because if you want somebody

01:34:10.780 to really accept you and love you for who you are, you should, you know, totally be honest and

01:34:15.260 come out with everything.

01:34:16.140 Mm-hmm.

01:34:17.260 That's what I think.

01:34:17.660 Erin, any thoughts?

01:34:19.340 I think that they should, but for that trans person's own safety, not necessarily for the

01:34:23.420 benefit of anybody else. And as far as I know, most trans people already willingly disclose this,

01:34:27.740 because it's obviously something that's going to come up very quickly in their dating life.

01:34:30.780 Mm-hmm.

01:34:32.220 I mean, why not both? Porqué, no los dos?

01:34:35.340 Well, can I ask you a question?

01:34:36.940 Sure.

01:34:37.260 Do you think people should disclose their race?

01:34:40.060 Should they disclose their race?

01:34:41.580 On a dating app?

01:34:42.620 I'm not totally sure how that's relevant, but, um, I think, isn't there race to some degree?

01:34:48.620 Race or ethnicity?

01:34:50.060 No evident.

01:34:50.620 Race slash ethnicity.

01:34:52.220 Like, should a mixed person say that they're half black?

01:34:55.100 What? I mean, I'm not really understanding the question, but, um...

01:35:00.540 Which part?

01:35:01.820 Well, if they should disclose if they're half black, I mean...

01:35:05.100 No, I'm asking if you think that, like, people should disclose, like, race, ethnicity.

01:35:08.380 Like, if you are half Chinese, or if you're half black, or anything like that.

01:35:12.700 No, I mean, I...

01:35:14.460 This is not a topic I've really given thought to, but...

01:35:16.860 Erica and Kirk Charlie's wife donated $200.

01:35:20.140 I love you, babe.

01:35:21.580 I'm so proud of you, and so blessed to be your wife.

01:35:25.180 Great discussion.

01:35:26.060 Is that actually Erica?

01:35:28.460 She's very busy right now.

01:35:29.580 Okay.

01:35:29.900 Okay.

01:35:31.260 All right.

01:35:31.660 Well, thank you, maybe, maybe, Erica.

01:35:33.980 Okay.

01:35:34.380 All right.

01:35:35.180 Um, wait, what's that?

01:35:37.340 Is it?

01:35:37.820 Yeah, it's her.

01:35:38.300 It's her?

01:35:38.620 Oh, okay.

01:35:39.180 Hey, Erica, what's up?

01:35:40.540 That's cute.

01:35:41.580 W's in the chat for Erica.

01:35:43.660 W.

01:35:44.140 W's in the chat.

01:35:45.260 But you haven't given it much thought, but what's your gut reaction?

01:35:48.620 Should they disclose race?

01:35:50.860 You know, I'm wondering, I'm thinking, I'm not on any dating apps currently, but I do think

01:35:55.500 on Hinge, for example, there might be a section to, and I'm trying to recall if there is something

01:36:02.300 where you can actually, you can actually put your race, like if you're Native American.

01:36:05.580 I think there is.

01:36:06.380 Um, should, should somebody have to?

01:36:09.100 Yeah, but should they?

01:36:10.460 I don't think so.

01:36:11.340 Why?

01:36:11.740 Why not?

01:36:12.700 Why not?

01:36:13.740 Uh, I think it's a bit different though.

01:36:17.180 I mean, I, it's certainly different.

01:36:18.700 It is different, but I think that kind of hesitation is kind of what you articulate from,

01:36:22.540 like, you're articulating perfectly what trans people feel like.

01:36:25.900 Is that, I know that they will do it, but the hesitation is why they shouldn't have to.

01:36:29.820 I think it's quite different.

01:36:31.180 Um, but what I, I would like to allow everybody else to answer the question, so.

01:36:36.060 I forgot the question, what, oh, if they should disclose.

01:36:38.540 Like disclosure, at what point should it be up front?

01:36:41.180 I think they should, only for like, I mean, obviously the safety of them, I think.

01:36:46.220 Okay.

01:36:47.020 Well, and maybe also for the benefit of the other person, although it seems like,

01:36:50.700 Aaron, you object to, you don't think there should be any benefit to the person on the other side.

01:36:56.540 I think there will naturally be a benefit to it, but I don't think you're entitled to

01:37:00.060 know that information any more than you're entitled to know the race, not starting off

01:37:04.220 from the dating profile.

01:37:05.260 I think eventually, yes, sure.

01:37:08.220 Well, if somebody, I'm trying to think.

01:37:09.980 I'm trying to think how to tackle that, but I, I think that can be very readily apparent

01:37:15.740 just by looking at their photos.

01:37:16.940 Or like sexuality, for example, because you can't tell someone's gay or bisexual.

01:37:20.140 Well, there is a, on Hinge, I do believe you can specify if you're straight, if you're bisexual.

01:37:26.300 Is it a red flag if they don't do that to you?

01:37:29.180 No, not necessarily.

01:37:30.220 But I mean, even I think on, on, on your end, I think you're, and actually, I do think on Hinge,

01:37:36.460 there are these filters.

01:37:37.420 And I do think you can include, I don't know if it's your skin color, your race or whatever.

01:37:41.180 I think it is your race or ethnicity.

01:37:43.100 Uh, you can list it and you can also filter by it.

01:37:46.620 Uh, same, same with, uh, sexuality too.

01:37:50.140 There's certainly not something there for your actual sex, though.

01:37:54.060 There's no, uh, I mean, you can put your gender, but we know that, well,

01:38:01.420 that wouldn't necessarily indicate what the person's.

01:38:03.180 That could be inclusive of trans people.

01:38:05.020 Yes.

01:38:05.340 So, oh, did you answer the question?

01:38:10.620 Kind of.

01:38:11.660 Okay, Pixie, did you have something?

01:38:12.860 Yeah, I basically was just saying like for the safety of them, I guess.

01:38:15.420 Yeah.

01:38:15.820 Okay.

01:38:16.460 I was going to say, um, you should, but only if you're like going, thinking about this

01:38:21.260 person as like somebody who you're seriously going to date.

01:38:23.660 I see it similar to like, for example, like political, political orientation or whatever.

01:38:27.740 Sure.

01:38:28.060 Um, where it's like, I, this is another reason why, like, I'm also not a big proponent of hookup

01:38:33.020 culture because it's like, I feel like when people hook up, they're not really,

01:38:35.980 they're just hooking up.

01:38:37.020 There's no, um, necessarily like set of like morals or anything to follow like beforehand

01:38:40.940 very much.

01:38:41.500 Cause it's like a very casual encounter.

01:38:43.260 People don't feel like they have those duties for each other.

01:38:45.340 Charlie's ex-wife donated $200.

01:38:48.700 Hey, Charlie, you better not be edging to Sophia or Angel right now.

01:38:53.020 You've been looking a little too much.

01:38:55.340 Anyway, see you later, babe.

01:38:56.940 XO kisses.

01:38:58.380 Do these make you uncomfortable or you just find them funny?

01:39:00.380 I think it's hilarious.

01:39:01.180 Okay.

01:39:01.500 Okay.

01:39:01.660 Good, good, good, good.

01:39:02.300 Cause I, I was, I was like, oh shit.

01:39:03.980 It's okay.

01:39:04.700 Okay.

01:39:04.860 Okay.

01:39:05.020 Cool.

01:39:05.180 I got worried too.

01:39:05.980 I was like, they're spicy.

01:39:09.900 I live on the internet.

01:39:11.180 I've seen a lot of things.

01:39:13.740 So thanks for being a good sport.

01:39:15.100 I appreciate it.

01:39:16.140 Go ahead.

01:39:16.460 Thanks.

01:39:16.700 Yeah.

01:39:16.860 So I'll try to wrap it up.

01:39:17.820 Basically, like if I'm on a dating app and like looking to hook up with someone, I would

01:39:22.700 never, like what I said before, like someone who's a super hardcore Republican, I would not

01:39:26.860 want to sleep with them.

01:39:28.380 But they don't have necessarily an obligation to tell me their political orientation unless

01:39:33.340 I explicitly asked.

01:39:34.540 So that would be kind of on me.

01:39:36.940 But if I'm going to start dating that person seriously, then it's like, oh, okay.

01:39:41.020 Like, yeah, we should talk about our values and be like open and transparent with each

01:39:44.620 other.

01:39:45.180 So that's my take.

01:39:46.780 What about you?

01:39:47.500 I agree as well.

01:39:48.220 Yeah.

01:39:48.860 With who?

01:39:49.660 With her?

01:39:50.220 With both of them.

01:39:51.340 Yes.

01:39:51.900 Okay.

01:39:52.220 Would you like any thoughts on this?

01:39:53.820 Yeah.

01:39:53.980 I think it should be disclosed for sure.

01:39:55.580 If not like in their bio within the first few messages, I feel.

01:40:00.940 Yeah.

01:40:01.580 Okay.

01:40:02.940 Molly.

01:40:03.500 I agree.

01:40:03.900 It's definitely something that should be disclosed very early on in the relationship.

01:40:08.220 I was going to say, put it in your bio, but then you mentioned safety and I was like,

01:40:11.340 oh, it's a really good point.

01:40:12.780 So like, obviously you can't tell someone what to tell them about or to tell you about

01:40:18.620 themselves.

01:40:20.300 But if you're dating someone, you kind of have like a moral obligation to be honest.

01:40:25.900 Yeah.

01:40:26.140 Be honest.

01:40:26.540 Be your most authentic self in front of them.

01:40:29.820 And I think it's kind of deceitful not to tell them.

01:40:35.420 I would feel like my time was wasted if I showed up to a date and they didn't say anything.

01:40:39.180 Sure.

01:40:39.900 And I think probably most trans women are, they disclose up front, most of them.

01:40:45.820 Although I haven't, when I was back on the dating apps, I did encounter someone was actually

01:40:52.540 quite, you know, on hinge, how you can have prompts and answer prompts.

01:40:57.500 Someone seemed very, like very political in their answers.

01:41:01.500 And they, I forgot exactly what, but they were trans and they said it's nobody's business to

01:41:10.380 know if they're trans, which I thought was interesting.

01:41:15.660 But I do think it should be disclosed pretty much as soon as possible.

01:41:20.300 When you say encounter, it sounds like you're like Pokemon hunting and you found like a rare

01:41:23.980 Pokemon, there's something in the wild.

01:41:27.180 What about religion?

01:41:29.180 There's also, you can put religion on there.

01:41:33.900 Do you think that people should have to, should you have to identify yourself as a Christian

01:41:37.340 or a Jew or a Muslim or atheist?

01:41:39.820 No, I don't think you should have to, but I think it's certainly very different.

01:41:43.580 Um, I would imagine, I think somebody might feel a little bit more bamboozled if they turn

01:41:53.900 up to a date and this person's actually a male that as compared to someone omitting their religion.

01:42:01.100 Religious convictions are very personal.

01:42:03.260 Like Charlie was saying, you probably would not date somebody who is not also an evangelical.

01:42:08.060 Right, but it's a bit more of a bamboozle.

01:42:10.300 I think like if it's so important to you that you, you go on a date with somebody who's your

01:42:16.940 same religion, I think there is some burden on the person who really cares about that,

01:42:22.300 that they should ask.

01:42:24.060 And if the person omits it from their profile, I do think though, um, it's a different bamboozle.

01:42:31.340 It's a bit of a different bamboozle.

01:42:32.860 It's different, but like, is it different enough to warrant a different social protocol is all I'm

01:42:36.700 asking.

01:42:37.100 I think so.

01:42:38.140 Yeah, I think so.

01:42:39.660 I think the deal breaker should, or you communicating the deal breaker should lie on yourself, basically.

01:42:45.980 If something's a deal breaker for you, I think it's your responsibility to say it.

01:42:47.900 Maybe you should have to put no trans people in your bio.

01:42:50.780 Honestly, you'd probably, I feel like on a lot of these dating apps, you might get banned if you, uh,

01:42:56.700 if you were to even, even in the most diplomatic, polite way, if you were to say that, I do think you

01:43:03.740 might get reported and banned because even on this is Grindr.

01:43:07.580 So this is like gay men or whatever, but there were men putting like no Chinese, no Asian people.

01:43:11.900 That's why I made the comparison between race.

01:43:13.580 I don't believe that they banned those, but it's a prevalent thing within bios to see that sometimes

01:43:17.180 on those profiles.

01:43:18.540 And there you go.

01:43:20.140 Grindr is a very like hookup app.

01:43:22.220 Oh, totally.

01:43:22.860 Yeah.

01:43:23.260 Well, I think most of these apps are hookup apps unless if you-

01:43:26.460 But hold on.

01:43:26.780 You said, you said the Chinese thing, like when you say Chinese, do you mean like,

01:43:31.180 are all like specifically Chinese?

01:43:34.460 That's what they, that's an example of what Grindr was seeing in their users.

01:43:38.780 That people were saying specifically no Asian slash no Chinese or like no Japanese.

01:43:42.300 They were specifying specifically by ethnicity.

01:43:44.140 Because there's different kinds of Asian, you know.

01:43:45.420 Yes.

01:43:45.820 There's, there's, there's Thai.

01:43:46.940 Korean, there's Chinese.

01:43:48.540 Vietnamese, Laos.

01:43:49.500 No, yeah.

01:43:49.900 Well, these racist people to me were like going so far as to specify specifically which Asian ethnicity.

01:43:55.180 Mongolia.

01:43:56.140 You can keep going.

01:43:56.860 It's a beautiful culture.

01:43:57.500 South Korea.

01:43:57.820 Yeah, so many.

01:43:58.780 North Korean.

01:43:59.500 Well, that's why they did Asian.

01:44:00.620 Japan.

01:44:01.180 China.

01:44:01.580 When you say to say Philippines.

01:44:02.700 Taiwan.

01:44:04.460 I miss Philippines, right?

01:44:05.580 Are you, are you a Filipina?

01:44:07.020 I am, yes.

01:44:07.740 Okay.

01:44:08.620 Oh, there we go.

01:44:09.340 Okay.

01:44:09.580 Captain.

01:44:09.980 I'm a captain.

01:44:10.380 You all left tenant donated $200.

01:44:12.780 Oh, like.

01:44:13.660 Sophia, it's been over a year since you went viral for failing to answer this question.

01:44:19.180 Can you now name 10 books?

01:44:21.260 Rest of panel plus Charlie, name three books.

01:44:24.620 You can't repeat an answer or use a series.

01:44:27.660 So, you kind of went a little bit viral.

01:44:31.180 A little bit, a tad bit.

01:44:32.700 Somebody asked you to.

01:44:34.780 Somebody.

01:44:35.820 Name 10 books.

01:44:37.260 Yes.

01:44:38.940 Name 10 books for us, Sophia.

01:44:40.140 And I wasn't able to name it.

01:44:41.500 I still can't name it.

01:44:42.620 I'm not a big book fan.

01:44:43.820 I don't like reading.

01:44:44.380 Let's go.

01:44:44.860 Let's hear it.

01:44:45.660 I like, I like podcasts.

01:44:47.260 I like listening and I like a visual.

01:44:50.300 Sure.

01:44:50.620 You know.

01:44:51.100 I'm with you.

01:44:51.740 Um, visual is way better.

01:44:52.940 Can I make kids books?

01:44:53.820 Goodnight Moon.

01:44:54.540 The Hot Great Little Cat.

01:44:55.660 Don't help her.

01:44:56.540 Don't help her.

01:44:57.020 I got some kids books.

01:44:57.980 I, um, there's like Diary of a Wimpy Kid.

01:45:00.060 Oh, okay.

01:45:00.940 Wait.

01:45:01.100 Okay.

01:45:01.340 Okay.

01:45:01.580 Let's here.

01:45:01.980 Let's do a count.

01:45:02.700 Okay.

01:45:02.940 So that's one.

01:45:03.820 Oh, we're actually doing 10.

01:45:05.100 Yeah.

01:45:05.340 You gotta go 10.

01:45:05.980 You gotta do 10.

01:45:06.540 There's six Diary of a Wimpy Kid.

01:45:07.340 I got to six something.

01:45:09.340 Literally the Bible.

01:45:10.140 You got this.

01:45:10.700 You got this.

01:45:11.100 The Bible counts.

01:45:12.700 Power.

01:45:13.180 Art of Seduction.

01:45:14.380 Uh, isn't that a book?

01:45:16.140 Art of Seduction.

01:45:16.700 Yeah.

01:45:17.100 Robert Greene.

01:45:17.660 Yep.

01:45:18.060 Um, I'm gonna say what I said.

01:45:21.500 Okay.

01:45:22.220 Is it valid?

01:45:22.940 What I said in the podcast?

01:45:24.060 Have you guys seen it?

01:45:24.540 I don't worry.

01:45:25.020 Just, just repeat it.

01:45:25.900 So I said the Game of Thrones series, and I'm not gonna lie.

01:45:28.940 I'm gonna air myself out.

01:45:29.900 We can only one.

01:45:31.260 That only counts as one.

01:45:32.140 You can't, you can't do this.

01:45:33.180 All the Harry Potter books.

01:45:34.220 A Feast for Crows, Clash.

01:45:36.300 What's the, what are they?

01:45:37.500 Fire and Ice.

01:45:38.540 Fire and Ice.

01:45:39.180 Yeah.

01:45:39.900 A Song of Ice and Fire.

01:45:41.100 Song of Ice and Fire.

01:45:41.740 Only one book from like a, you know, a series.

01:45:44.220 Okay.

01:45:44.460 Okay.

01:45:44.620 That's fair.

01:45:45.500 And then I said the Twilight series.

01:45:46.620 Feast for Crows.

01:45:47.660 Twilight.

01:45:48.300 Twilight.

01:45:48.860 Okay.

01:45:49.100 That's five.

01:45:49.820 What else?

01:45:51.740 You went viral for the, you should be perfect.

01:45:53.260 You should be ready.

01:45:54.220 No, no, no, no.

01:45:55.100 That's the thing.

01:45:55.740 I had a choice.

01:45:56.700 I was like, I was either going to be ready or I was just going to stay true to myself.

01:46:00.460 Okay.

01:46:00.780 Five books.

01:46:01.340 And be honest.

01:46:03.020 What else you got?

01:46:03.740 You already have four.

01:46:04.780 Okay.

01:46:05.180 One more.

01:46:06.620 Think movies.

01:46:07.260 A lot of movies are based on books.

01:46:08.380 Yeah.

01:46:08.620 That's true.

01:46:09.260 Why are you giving her, stop giving her layups.

01:46:10.940 Let her, let her think.

01:46:12.300 Okay.

01:46:12.540 How about, how about, let me brainstorm some.

01:46:14.460 Brainstorm.

01:46:15.340 Um, it can get back to me maybe in like an hour or so.

01:46:19.340 Or required reading in school.

01:46:21.100 How about three more?

01:46:21.980 Just three more.

01:46:22.700 And then we'll, we'll move on.

01:46:24.460 Three more.

01:46:25.500 You guys really want three more books.

01:46:27.260 While you're brainstorming, I'll just say that the average American has not read like more

01:46:31.020 than a book in the last year or so.

01:46:33.980 So don't feel too bad.

01:46:35.820 That's an indictment of like everyone in this country.

01:46:37.740 To be fair, to be fair, a lot of people came up to me saying like, I, I can't name 10 books

01:46:42.940 on spot either.

01:46:44.460 And a lot of people.

01:46:45.260 Maybe it went viral because it's relatable.

01:46:46.700 Can you name 10 rap artists?

01:46:48.940 Oh yeah.

01:46:49.660 Oh yeah.

01:46:50.220 Easily.

01:46:50.780 Go, go, go.

01:46:51.340 Easily.

01:46:51.740 Uh, Lil Uzi.

01:46:52.620 Uh, Cardi.

01:46:54.780 Lucky.

01:46:56.300 Man, there's so many.

01:46:57.180 Okay.

01:46:57.340 Nikki.

01:46:58.460 Nikki.

01:47:00.380 Um, Wayne.

01:47:03.020 Uh, Kanye.

01:47:03.980 Uh, uh, um, um, God, I'm on the spot right now.

01:47:10.540 I hate being put on the spot.

01:47:11.660 This is why I should stop doing podcasts.

01:47:13.340 Um, Jay-Z, Jay-Z, uh, Cardi, oh, no, not this.

01:47:20.540 Cardi have beef with right now.

01:47:22.540 She's, she said, yeah.

01:47:23.900 Autumn, um, is that 10?

01:47:27.580 Has that been 10?

01:47:28.220 Ben Shapiro.

01:47:28.860 He raps now.

01:47:29.820 Yeah, rap God, Ben Shapiro.

01:47:32.140 There you go.

01:47:32.620 Beautiful.

01:47:33.020 Okay.

01:47:33.340 Moving on, moving on.

01:47:34.300 She, she made her, it was a, it was a good effort.

01:47:36.940 It was a great, a play, a, a for the, the effort here.

01:47:40.220 Okay.

01:47:40.540 All right.

01:47:41.340 Now it's Brian's turn.

01:47:42.380 Name three, 10 countries.

01:47:44.060 Name 10 countries.

01:47:45.500 Yeah, come on.

01:47:46.540 You were doing all the Asian ones.

01:47:48.140 I just thought you were really ready for this.

01:47:50.060 Azerbaijan, Austria, let's maybe be Burma.

01:47:55.180 Is that still, wait, is Burma still?

01:47:56.620 Yeah, Burma.

01:47:57.100 It's also, yeah.

01:47:58.860 C, Cameroon, Cambodia.

01:48:02.060 Let's go to D, Denmark.

01:48:04.700 Let's go to F, Finland.

01:48:06.860 Let's go to G, Germany, France, Luxembourg.

01:48:13.100 Lichtenstein.

01:48:14.060 That's my, that's my personal favorite.

01:48:15.500 I've been there.

01:48:16.060 You're good.

01:48:16.700 The Netherlands, um, the Gambia, Russia.

01:48:23.900 Beautiful.

01:48:24.780 Is that 10?

01:48:25.260 Was that 10?

01:48:25.740 Yeah, I think that was 10.

01:48:26.940 That was past 10.

01:48:27.900 Thank you.

01:48:28.300 Thank you.

01:48:28.540 Thank you.

01:48:28.860 Thank you.

01:48:28.940 Okay.

01:48:29.260 That's.

01:48:29.660 I wish I could answer that confidently.

01:48:32.940 I think his strategy of the, like, A, B, C.

01:48:35.100 I think that is smart.

01:48:36.380 Yeah, it helps out a little.

01:48:37.740 Okay.

01:48:38.220 All right.

01:48:38.620 Um, wait.

01:48:39.180 So we were on the, I think we kind of finished this.

01:48:41.820 I have my books.

01:48:42.540 Uh, going back to politics a little bit here, you know, going back.

01:48:47.500 Would you date somebody who's pro-life?

01:48:52.460 Starting with you.

01:48:53.660 I know it's hot seat, but, uh.

01:48:55.500 Oh, man.

01:48:56.060 Why do I always got to go first?

01:49:01.820 Yes.

01:49:02.700 Into the mic?

01:49:03.820 Yes.

01:49:04.060 Okay.

01:49:04.460 Yes, I would.

01:49:05.420 Yes.

01:49:05.820 Because you can be pro-life and still pro-choice.

01:49:08.540 And there's, as long as they're pro-life and not anti-choice, that's to me the key distinction.

01:49:12.220 Wait, I'm a little, can you clear?

01:49:13.500 I'm a little confused.

01:49:14.300 I'm a little confused.

01:49:15.020 There are plenty of Democrats.

01:49:16.460 If you pull Democrats, like for example, like a lot of Catholic Democrats are Joe Biden,

01:49:20.140 our own president personally is pro-life.

01:49:22.940 So he would not feel comfortable probably having a wife that's admitted herself to

01:49:26.940 procure an abortion, but is okay with it being legal.

01:49:30.220 And I think that's the important distinction, not whether or not they personally are.

01:49:33.340 So yeah, sure.

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01:49:59.180 When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from Winners, I started wondering,

01:50:05.260 is every fabulous item I see from Winners?

01:50:08.380 Like that woman over there with the designer jeans.

01:50:11.180 Are those from Winners?

01:50:12.700 Ooh, or those beautiful gold earrings.

01:50:15.180 Did she pay full price?

01:50:16.620 Or that leather tote?

01:50:17.660 Or that cashmere sweater?

01:50:18.780 Or those knee-high boots?

01:50:20.300 That dress?

01:50:21.180 That jacket?

01:50:21.900 Those shoes?

01:50:22.700 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

01:50:25.580 Stop wondering.

01:50:26.940 Start winning.

01:50:27.820 Winners find fabulous for less.

01:50:32.140 I can agree with that.

01:50:34.460 Yeah.

01:50:34.940 I think generally.

01:50:35.980 Um, I don't know.

01:50:37.420 It depends.

01:50:37.980 Uh, if they're super pro-life to the point where it's like, oh, the mother's health is at risk

01:50:43.900 and you still shouldn't abort, then I'm like, whoa, slow down there, buddy.

01:50:47.900 I don't know how I feel about that.

01:50:49.420 Okay.

01:50:50.220 But without those extremes, yeah.

01:50:52.300 Sure.

01:50:52.860 Yeah, I agree, um, about the extremes.

01:50:55.340 If they are too extreme, then, um, maybe no.

01:50:58.460 Okay.

01:50:58.860 Um, but, um, I would still date someone who's pro-life if they weren't too extreme.

01:51:04.940 Okay.

01:51:05.420 I'm kind of the same.

01:51:06.380 I don't think it becomes a problem unless I get pregnant unexpectedly and then I don't want the child.

01:51:10.940 But I'm sure if it was a good relationship anyways and I get pregnant, I would want the child anyways, too,

01:51:15.180 even though I am pro-choice.

01:51:16.620 I don't think it, I don't think it gives that much of a conflict, um, obviously depending on the circumstance.

01:51:23.420 Molly.

01:51:24.700 I agree, uh, you can be pro-choice and pro-life at the same time and that is really the only way

01:51:30.780 that I would be able to be in a relationship because I'm pro-choice, but I can also respect that the

01:51:36.140 person that I love is not.

01:51:38.140 Okay, uh, Charlie, any thoughts here?

01:51:39.740 Um, yeah, I'm just curious.

01:51:41.100 When would you guys say human life begins?

01:51:44.940 That's like a philosophical question for the ages.

01:51:47.900 When there's a heartbeat.

01:51:49.020 Just casually ask.

01:51:49.900 When there's a heartbeat.

01:51:51.340 Or no, I guess in the uterus.

01:51:52.540 Oh, see, now we have three different answers.

01:51:53.980 Yeah, actually.

01:51:54.300 So I'm just, we have a, I will presume a group of women because we all, you all self-described

01:51:59.020 as women.

01:51:59.420 I'm kidding.

01:52:00.380 Um, when does life begin?

01:52:02.620 Heartbeat.

01:52:05.100 I must still say at birth, even though I know that your cells can be forming a brain and stuff

01:52:10.380 in the uterus.

01:52:11.740 Um, but yeah, I think you're not fully a human until you're born.

01:52:15.660 Okay.

01:52:15.980 And you said heartbeat, right?

01:52:17.580 Okay.

01:52:18.700 I think it's very difficult to answer.

01:52:20.380 I think mostly consciousness and personhood is really what people are seeking to identify.

01:52:24.780 And I believe how, would you have, I'm sure you have to know how long is like, how many

01:52:28.460 weeks was the full term of pregnancy?

01:52:30.220 Oh, it's, it's a good question.

01:52:31.820 I know very well.

01:52:32.380 Uh, it's, uh, it's, it's about 38, 39 weeks, 40 is like at the furthest of gestation.

01:52:37.100 So as far as I know, like around 30 weeks is when you see like typically like most development

01:52:41.740 of the fetus has taken place.

01:52:43.020 So I would say like around there, but yeah, no, I mean, so heartbeat is right around six weeks.

01:52:47.820 Brain waves are even before that.

01:52:49.340 Um, and you could do an ultrasound at right around, you could start to ultrasounds at eight

01:52:53.740 weeks and you can see the full, full being, uh, right around 12 weeks and right around 25,

01:52:59.420 26 weeks are now the earliest cases we have of babies that are able to survive outside of

01:53:04.060 the womb.

01:53:04.220 Does anyone have any other answers on that?

01:53:06.380 No, I mean, um, I'm not like educated scientifically enough about the biology of all of it, but

01:53:15.660 I agree.

01:53:16.060 I think that, um, life is a very subjective term.

01:53:20.220 You know, you could say, uh, when does the infant's body in the womb start functioning?

01:53:25.660 Or you could say, when do they start perceiving their consciousness?

01:53:31.260 Um, and for me, it's when they start perceiving their consciousness, but truly I have no idea

01:53:37.500 when that is.

01:53:37.980 Mm-hmm.

01:53:38.860 Do you think it's, do you think it would be important to, let me ask you this.

01:53:42.460 If you knew for certain the baby, would you agree it's a baby?

01:53:46.860 Is that a good term to use if it's in a womb?

01:53:49.020 Is that a baby?

01:53:49.740 I think most people would say fetus.

01:53:51.180 Probably fetus.

01:53:52.140 Yeah.

01:53:52.780 Okay.

01:53:53.100 So what does fetus mean in Latin?

01:53:55.580 I think a fetus is a growing child.

01:53:57.500 It's a developing child.

01:53:58.540 You're right.

01:53:58.940 Molly, you know, it means a little human.

01:54:00.220 Yeah.

01:54:01.180 Um, it's just using fetus is nothing more than a cope for what you know it is.

01:54:05.020 It's a baby.

01:54:05.500 Right.

01:54:05.740 So it's obviously not if we're here debating it.

01:54:08.380 I don't think it's as subtle as you think it is.

01:54:09.740 You don't have to use the word fetus.

01:54:10.620 It just makes people feel better.

01:54:11.340 It's obviously a baby.

01:54:12.140 No, I mean, obviously you wouldn't take like, you know, a fetus that just has like a heart

01:54:16.860 and like their brain isn't fully formed and be like, that's the same as like a one month old.

01:54:21.180 Like we obviously see differences between development from then and there.

01:54:24.620 So, but then how about 30 weeks?

01:54:26.700 That's where it becomes a lot more contentious.

01:54:28.540 But the point being is that we don't look at a fetus from its beginning stages and be like,

01:54:32.700 yeah, that's the same thing as my like three month year old cousin.

01:54:35.740 Hold on.

01:54:36.060 That's a nine month old is not the same thing as a one month old.

01:54:39.180 Okay.

01:54:39.340 And I, so you can go through the progression of development continues.

01:54:42.620 The question is, when does it start?

01:54:45.260 Yeah.

01:54:45.500 That's a million dollar question.

01:54:46.700 I agree with that.

01:54:47.420 So do you think conception?

01:54:48.700 Of course.

01:54:49.500 That's the only answer.

01:54:50.620 Most women, I don't believe even know that they're pregnant before six weeks.

01:54:54.380 So like around like these, the heartbeats and stuff like that.

01:54:56.940 The knowledge of your pregnancy doesn't mean that you're not pregnant.

01:54:59.340 No, no, no.

01:54:59.980 That's not what I'm saying.

01:55:00.780 But I'm saying like practicality wise, there are many instances of women who act,

01:55:05.420 who have miscarriages without even ever knowing, because it might just present as

01:55:09.180 like a very heavy cycle that month.

01:55:10.780 That's fine.

01:55:11.180 But it doesn't make it any less a life, right?

01:55:14.060 Sure.

01:55:14.300 Go ahead, Molly.

01:55:15.020 No, but do you, would you mourn that miscarriage in the same way you

01:55:18.060 mourn like an abortion, like a conscious choice?

01:55:20.700 Not the same way.

01:55:20.940 No, it's not the same way.

01:55:21.980 No, but it's still, it's still a tragedy.

01:55:23.900 A miscarriage is a tragedy.

01:55:25.580 So do you think she doesn't know about it?

01:55:27.660 But an abortion is an act of human will.

01:55:30.300 A miscarriage most times is not.

01:55:32.140 Now, sometimes it can be a miscarriage because you drank alcohol and you didn't know you're

01:55:36.060 pregnant or you might've taken a drug that had side effects.

01:55:39.580 But yes, a mis, a miscarriage is a tragedy.

01:55:41.660 Yes.

01:55:41.900 I have a question.

01:55:42.620 Um, so do you care about the children once they're born?

01:55:47.660 I mean, I care a lot about them.

01:55:49.100 Yeah.

01:55:49.580 So how, so if a, if say a woman got R worded or something, or even if she just

01:55:57.660 got pregnant and grid one,

01:56:00.060 one motor sports donated $200, life is not subjective.

01:56:04.860 And we know this because you were speaking of killing it.

01:56:07.980 Why is it so easy for you ladies to kill kids?

01:56:11.340 If your comfort and lifestyle more important than to life.

01:56:16.140 Um, anyway, my question was, what was I saying?

01:56:18.540 Oh, if you were saying if somebody was someone forced sex upon themself, it's the word.

01:56:23.660 Or even like, not even just that, but say like, if the mother like was homeless or something,

01:56:29.340 say like she didn't have a good life.

01:56:31.020 Do you still think that child deserves to be brought into the world just to suffer?

01:56:35.340 Well, so it's not a guarantee of suffering.

01:56:37.100 Number one, one second, one second, one second.

01:56:39.420 The answer is yes.

01:56:40.220 The life should be brought into the world.

01:56:41.500 There are twice as many people on the adoption waiting list.

01:56:45.740 Let me ask you guys.

01:56:46.780 And I don't, I'm just curious.

01:56:48.540 How many abortions do you think there are a year in America?

01:56:50.700 I have tens of thousands, I assume.

01:56:53.420 Any other guesses?

01:56:54.060 I have no clue.

01:56:55.660 What if I told you there was over a million abortions every year?

01:56:58.060 That wouldn't surprise me at all.

01:56:59.340 But you went from tens of thousands to a million.

01:57:02.140 I mean, there's billions of people on the board.

01:57:03.980 No, no, no.

01:57:04.700 Yeah, there's 340 million in America.

01:57:06.540 That's right.

01:57:06.940 No, but do you think...

01:57:07.820 As far as like reported ones, because even just reported data is going to be incomplete.

01:57:11.740 That doesn't count mitopressinone, which is the chemical abortion that people have at home.

01:57:15.900 It doesn't count plan B, right?

01:57:17.180 And even if like abortion were illegal, for example,

01:57:19.340 we stopped gathering data on like who procures abortions.

01:57:22.220 There would be so many.

01:57:23.500 There's so many now, even with states where it's still legal.

01:57:26.300 Well, not true.

01:57:26.380 Texas, it's gone down dramatically.

01:57:27.980 So hundreds of thousands.

01:57:28.940 No, they're still happening.

01:57:29.740 It's just not being accounted for.

01:57:31.420 Well, no, they're happening.

01:57:32.380 But 90% abortion.

01:57:32.460 When they're just doing it to themselves.

01:57:33.900 Right.

01:57:34.140 It's a 90% abortion reduction rate in Texas.

01:57:36.300 I don't want to dwell on that too much, though.

01:57:37.820 I'm just...

01:57:38.540 So there's a million abortions every single year.

01:57:41.980 And there's twice as many people on the adopt...

01:57:44.140 There's 2 million people actively on the adoption waiting list.

01:57:46.780 So there's really no such thing currently.

01:57:48.940 There could be, but currently of an unwanted child.

01:57:51.660 So there's 2 million people wanting to adopt.

01:57:54.220 And there's a million people that have abortions every single year.

01:57:57.260 So there's twice as many people that want to get a child.

01:58:00.380 Now, there's a longer conversation about making it less bureaucratic

01:58:03.820 without allowing bad people to adopt kids for bad reasons.

01:58:07.100 I'm perfectly open for that conversation.

01:58:09.020 But to answer your question, I don't love the premise.

01:58:13.100 It's a good...

01:58:13.580 It's a really good question because a lot of people have it.

01:58:15.740 I don't necessarily believe being born in poverty is a death sentence

01:58:20.220 or is a reason to terminate...

01:58:21.580 Oh, of course not.

01:58:21.900 No, no, no.

01:58:22.380 But abortion is a death sentence.

01:58:24.620 So I don't think poverty should give you a death sentence.

01:58:27.340 Would you say abortion is murder?

01:58:28.860 Oh, of course.

01:58:29.340 100%.

01:58:29.740 Do you think that people who procure abortions, women specifically,

01:58:32.700 a woman who procures an abortion should go to jail for getting one?

01:58:35.180 Absolutely, yeah.

01:58:35.820 They're the moral equivalent of Auschwitz.

01:58:38.380 Really?

01:58:38.780 Yes.

01:58:39.100 I know one of the millions of women are...

01:58:41.660 No, no, no, not the women.

01:58:42.140 ...basically the same as, like, Nazi death camp guards?

01:58:44.780 The women are victims.

01:58:45.580 They're lied to.

01:58:46.380 90% of women do not see an ultrasound before they have an abortion.

01:58:49.340 They have no idea what's happened to them.

01:58:50.700 They're the victims here.

01:58:51.980 It is the abortionists that are doing this.

01:58:53.580 But let me ask you, and I mean this.

01:58:54.780 Have you guys ever seen an abortion on a video?

01:58:56.940 Wait, no, I'm sorry.

01:58:57.740 If women are the victims here, why should they be jailed?

01:59:00.540 Well, I don't believe they should be jailed.

01:59:01.820 You just said they should be jailed.

01:59:03.660 How is it that you could believe that abortion is murder,

01:59:06.300 but a murderer shouldn't go to jail?

01:59:07.980 I didn't say that.

01:59:08.540 The doctors, the abortionists, the people that call themselves doctors,

01:59:11.980 the people that put women under general anesthesia and go into...

01:59:15.500 But women do, they ask for it.

01:59:17.660 They are doctors.

01:59:18.300 They're medical professionals.

01:59:19.020 Are you going to just discount the accountability of the women in that decision?

01:59:21.420 My current perspective is because the women are not given what is called informed consent,

01:59:25.580 that the women should not be penalized.

01:59:27.500 They should not be, they shouldn't be penalized.

01:59:30.220 In fact, they should be given grace from a system that has lied to them and has misled them.

01:59:34.060 They are not given the full picture of exactly what's happening to them.

01:59:36.860 Informed consent has not happened.

01:59:38.140 So these women are the victims.

01:59:39.420 The abortionists, one second.

01:59:41.100 The abortionists are the ones that know exactly what's happening.

01:59:43.500 And if you haven't seen a video of an abortion,

01:59:45.020 I'm not going to say anything too graphic.

01:59:46.780 It is one of the hardest things to watch.

01:59:48.140 The baby fights, the baby struggles, the baby dodges, the baby avoids.

01:59:51.260 They break the neck of the baby.

01:59:52.620 They euthanize it through the spring.

01:59:53.820 It's not, it's not a joke.

01:59:55.100 And then they tear it limb from limb through there.

01:59:57.020 If you're trying to tell me that's, you know.

01:59:59.980 If you're talking about, yeah, like they're called dilation

02:00:03.260 extraction abortions.

02:00:04.220 No, no, no, no, no.

02:00:04.860 Hold on a second.

02:00:05.580 A baby has a backbone at six weeks and a spine.

02:00:08.380 It has a complete figure.

02:00:09.740 It's small.

02:00:10.540 It's like probably a small.

02:00:11.740 The size of like a grape.

02:00:12.620 Yeah.

02:00:12.780 Yes.

02:00:13.100 But by eight weeks or 12 weeks.

02:00:14.860 And you're talking about.

02:00:15.740 But the vast majority of abortions are performed in the first trimester.

02:00:18.620 Yeah, that's right.

02:00:19.340 So when you just.

02:00:19.980 The type of abortion that you described.

02:00:21.580 The first trimester is up to 12 weeks.

02:00:22.060 Is literally like minority of the time.

02:00:24.220 But hold on a second.

02:00:24.300 And those are wanted pregnancies.

02:00:25.740 You said they don't.

02:00:26.220 Because usually those women want those pregnancies.

02:00:27.900 They weren't able to carry them to term.

02:00:28.380 They don't know they're pregnant until they're six weeks to your point.

02:00:30.380 Because they weren't able to carry those abortion.

02:00:31.980 Those children to term.

02:00:33.420 Because of health risks to their own life or to the infants.

02:00:36.060 Right.

02:00:36.380 So without getting into that.

02:00:38.540 No, no infant should be terminated because of health risk to the infant.

02:00:41.580 Okay.

02:00:41.820 That's insane.

02:00:42.700 It's like you're going to kill the baby because the baby has health risks.

02:00:45.420 Not just health risks.

02:00:46.540 These are deformed.

02:00:47.740 Like.

02:00:48.140 Oh, let me ask you.

02:00:48.940 These are medical.

02:00:51.020 Hold on.

02:00:51.420 Down syndrome.

02:00:51.900 Yeah.

02:00:51.980 Like still birds.

02:00:52.380 Should we abort down syndrome kids?

02:00:53.900 No.

02:00:54.380 No.

02:00:54.780 Iceland has.

02:00:55.500 They said if you have down syndrome, you're done.

02:00:57.900 So that's not a new phenomenon.

02:00:59.100 They have gotten rid of down syndrome.

02:01:00.460 If you have a DNA test of down syndrome, they abort the kid.

02:01:03.420 I think that's cruel and unusual.

02:01:04.540 That is.

02:01:05.020 Yeah.

02:01:05.180 Okay.

02:01:05.420 We agree.

02:01:05.980 Good.

02:01:06.060 I think there are frivolous reasons to procure abortions, but I don't believe that that

02:01:09.260 just because there are frivolous reasons to get them, that means it should be outlawed.

02:01:12.620 But should murder be outlawed?

02:01:14.540 Yeah.

02:01:14.860 Yeah.

02:01:15.180 Okay.

02:01:15.340 But like you were saying, even though you believe that those women have a hand in committing the

02:01:20.460 murder and infanticide basically of their own children, they shouldn't go to jail.

02:01:23.740 They have not been given informed consent.

02:01:25.580 Do you have that opinion with people who are addicted to drugs?

02:01:28.700 Do you think only drug dealers should go to jail, but not people who actually try to buy

02:01:31.820 drugs and consume them?

02:01:32.780 Well, it depends.

02:01:32.860 It depends what drug it is.

02:01:33.900 It depends the category, the class, the reputation.

02:01:35.420 Is there a single drug where you would say that somebody who is buying and consuming drugs

02:01:38.860 that they are addicted to should not be going to jail, but only their drug dealer should

02:01:42.620 be going to jail?

02:01:43.420 I mean, I think fentanyl and heroin potentially, but it's a completely separate issue because

02:01:47.740 a lot of people know the informed consent of heroin and fentanyl.

02:01:50.380 It's not like we have PSAs.

02:01:51.580 We have billboards.

02:01:52.460 Stop using fentanyl.

02:01:53.580 Stop doing fentanyl.

02:01:54.380 How many times have you heard that?

02:01:55.580 Have you ever?

02:01:56.140 Tons, but they have a chemical dependency now that prevents them from being able to

02:01:58.540 make that choice.

02:01:59.260 How often have we ever had an honest conversation with women in this country saying that having

02:02:03.340 an abortion increases the chances for depression, anxiety, medication dependence?

02:02:08.780 So does having a kid.

02:02:11.340 Hold on.

02:02:11.740 Having children carries all of those same risks.

02:02:14.620 You think having children, you think having children.

02:02:17.900 No, don't mischaracterize me.

02:02:19.260 No, that's not true at all.

02:02:19.980 I'm not going to say that having a child necessarily gives you depression.

02:02:22.940 Women have children.

02:02:23.660 That's what she said.

02:02:24.540 It can come with it.

02:02:25.580 Like postpartum depression, for example, is extremely common.

02:02:28.060 It's temporary and short-lived and obviously.

02:02:30.140 Not always.

02:02:31.180 Some people ask me, so is the depression from abortion.

02:02:33.500 That's temporary and short-lived.

02:02:35.340 That's not permanent.

02:02:36.540 You think years of living with postpartum depression can simply constitute a temporary

02:02:41.500 medical issue?

02:02:42.220 Let's theoretically even grant, so you're saying because of potential postpartum depression

02:02:46.940 or financial burdens, the moral answer is allow women to go in to clinics.

02:02:51.340 No, that was never my argument.

02:02:52.300 This had nothing to do with morality.

02:02:53.660 This was a completely separate question.

02:02:55.020 I'm only saying that I feel like you're trivializing and downplaying how serious

02:02:58.460 conditions like postpartum depression can be when you want to write it off as like

02:03:01.420 a temporary medical issue when it can be years-long battle.

02:03:05.340 Look, having children is a serious choice.

02:03:07.740 So what percentage of abortions, according to the Guttmacher Institute, are not rape,

02:03:12.140 not incest, and not life of the mother?

02:03:13.740 What percentage would you say?

02:03:14.620 Probably the vast majority.

02:03:15.660 97 percent.

02:03:16.620 Yeah.

02:03:17.020 So is abortion now birth control, yes or no?

02:03:20.700 No, I don't think so.

02:03:21.660 I think that's situational to each and every person.

02:03:24.940 Molly, do you think that birth control, it could be called birth control in certain situations?

02:03:28.620 Because you're talking about over a million abortions, but there's tens of millions of

02:03:31.500 women that are on birth control, that have IUDs, that take birth control pills.

02:03:35.500 So obviously, that's not the only reason why.

02:03:38.220 But it's a form of birth control, is it not?

02:03:40.060 It's a form of birth control, sure, but you acknowledge that it's not the

02:03:43.180 predominant form of birth control.

02:03:44.620 Well, no, I didn't say that.

02:03:45.900 I said it's birth control.

02:03:46.940 Yeah, but we're not disagreeing with the category.

02:03:47.900 So therefore, if it's birth control, then why would we allow it to continue if it's not?

02:03:54.780 If you put the rape, incest, life to mother, which we can debate.

02:03:57.660 I didn't.

02:03:58.460 But no, I'm going to put that aside for a second.

02:04:00.140 Then why should we allow a horrific procedure to continue that has such heavy and dire consequences

02:04:07.180 and results in a child not being able to live outside of the womb?

02:04:09.900 Because you're loading it so much by saying a horrific procedure.

02:04:13.100 Most women who procure abortions actually report being happy long term because they made the

02:04:18.140 choice because there's many different reasons why women get abortion.

02:04:20.460 Some women aren't in a financial position to have a child at that time and actually decide

02:04:23.980 to have children later.

02:04:24.780 How'd they get pregnant?

02:04:26.220 What do you mean?

02:04:26.620 They had sex unprotected or an accident.

02:04:28.700 So they want the orgasm without the responsibility.

02:04:31.900 Do you think the majority of women are having orgasms and sex?

02:04:34.700 Are you serious?

02:04:36.220 Have you seen the studies on orgasm gaps between men and women?

02:04:39.260 I'll be honest.

02:04:39.660 So they want all the pleasure.

02:04:40.860 They want all, but it's, it's, you want, you want all the loose lifestyle, but none of

02:04:46.380 the responsibilities.

02:04:47.420 Now you're, you're framing it like the punishment for having, like orgasms should be punished.

02:04:52.140 No, no, no.

02:04:52.540 The way that you're framing it, which is that, oh, you want the loosey-goosey parts of sex,

02:04:56.780 like the orgasm, but you don't want the responsibility of a child.

02:04:59.340 It's like, yeah, some people want to be able to have sex.

02:05:01.260 Okay.

02:05:01.500 No, you articulate it perfectly.

02:05:03.980 I'm going to be able to have sex how I want.

02:05:05.500 And if I have to go put a dagger through, I'll have someone put a dagger through a child for

02:05:08.940 me, then so be it.

02:05:10.860 I, sure, I guess.

02:05:12.860 Okay.

02:05:13.180 No, that you're being morally clear.

02:05:14.620 And basically it is, it's my body.

02:05:16.780 I can do whatever I want with it.

02:05:18.620 Even though, let me ask you a question.

02:05:19.980 Even though I, like I said, most women don't regret their abortions at all.

02:05:23.340 Like the vast majority of women say report happiness and being okay with their decision.

02:05:27.340 I'm sure you think that they're lying or they're indoctrinated.

02:05:29.740 So, but if it's not your DNA, how is it your choice?

02:05:33.740 If it's not your DNA, why is it your choice?

02:05:35.500 It is.

02:05:36.380 No, it's, it's, it's the baby has its own DNA.

02:05:38.540 You have to carry the child to your partner's DNA and then it forms into, yeah.

02:05:41.580 It has its own unique DNA.

02:05:42.940 That's not yours.

02:05:43.660 Here.

02:05:44.540 It's part of your DNA.

02:05:45.820 It's 50, 50.

02:05:46.540 It's half.

02:05:47.020 Oh, so should the man then be able to have veto power over abortion?

02:05:50.060 Well, the point is the man isn't the one incubating the child.

02:05:52.860 But I thought it's, wait, if it's about DNA.

02:05:54.540 If you, if you get.

02:05:55.580 I never made the DNA argument.

02:05:56.860 You did the argument that I was going to make was, or I was going to ask you the question.

02:06:01.020 Um, do you think another person has a right to your life and your body?

02:06:05.100 Does another person have a right to, well, they might technically because abortion was legal.

02:06:09.580 When I was in utero, someone did have a right to my life and body.

02:06:14.300 Okay.

02:06:14.780 And my mom chose life.

02:06:15.980 Praise God.

02:06:16.540 So did all your moms.

02:06:17.660 Yeah.

02:06:17.900 The argument.

02:06:19.740 Are you glad that she didn't have an abortion?

02:06:21.820 No.

02:06:22.940 So you would rather be dead?

02:06:24.540 I don't know.

02:06:25.100 I mean, life can be difficult.

02:06:25.900 If she didn't exist, you would not be able to even know what you've never materialized.

02:06:32.060 A couple of people wanted to come in really quick.

02:06:34.300 It looks like you wanted to come in.

02:06:35.900 I'd like to give you an opportunity to speak.

02:06:37.660 Then I think you had more pixie than Molly.

02:06:40.220 Go ahead.

02:06:40.940 Go ahead.

02:06:41.660 Um, it was just back, it's backtrack, um, just on what he was saying on not wanting to

02:06:46.620 have the responsibility.

02:06:48.140 Um, I think that's really, I don't really think that makes sense because I don't think sex is

02:06:53.180 just for reproduction.

02:06:54.540 Um, it's just like asking you, you know, like every time I'm not trying to bring in your wife,

02:06:59.580 but you know, every time you have sex with your wife, it's purely for reproduction.

02:07:03.340 I feel like that is very inaccurate.

02:07:05.660 So, I mean, it's hard to expect everyone who isn't in a marriage to just not have sex just

02:07:11.740 because they don't want to get pregnant or just because they don't want to have that responsibility.

02:07:14.540 Wait, did you make, did you even make the argument that sex is purely for?

02:07:18.060 No, I didn't.

02:07:18.460 I don't think you did.

02:07:19.100 But Angel's making a good point, and I want to give her credit for this.

02:07:21.500 What she's saying, and it could be misunderstood that I was saying sex is strictly for reproduction.

02:07:26.300 What I was saying is that everything in life has consequences and choices, right?

02:07:29.980 And at times, the mainstream predominant narrative is that sex comes with almost no downsides,

02:07:35.180 and we're going to give you either the technology, the procedure, or whatever to try to limit those downsides.

02:07:41.740 Um, but the difference is that when my wife and I have sex, if she results to be pregnant,

02:07:46.700 which she did, is that we live with that consequence, which happens to be a positive consequence, right?

02:07:51.820 A huge blessing.

02:07:52.940 Now, I understand what I'm saying is very, very radical and very unpopular,

02:07:56.700 but the ideal should be far less people having premarital sex and trying to have sex within marital

02:08:03.100 guidelines, or at the very least monogamous guidelines, okay?

02:08:06.300 So that if there was to be a pregnancy, that that baby could be loved and cared for and brought into this world.

02:08:11.260 I understand it's a hard ideal to even grasp and comprehend in a world where

02:08:17.420 everything is very sex positive and sex abundant, but it's an ideal that I defend nonetheless.

02:08:22.700 I mean, I don't think there's anything that's in contradiction with being sex positive,

02:08:26.540 but also wanting to help prevent unwanted pregnancies.

02:08:28.860 I would not, I would just say to those women and those people having sex that you should be using,

02:08:33.180 birth control and family planning methods to make sure that you don't have any unexpected

02:08:37.260 pregnancies that you don't want to have to skip the abortion part altogether.

02:08:40.780 I don't think anybody loves their abortion. I'm just, I only said that people just don't regret them.

02:08:44.780 Are you guys familiar with what's happening with the, um, chemical abortion

02:08:49.020 craze that's going on right now?

02:08:50.300 No.

02:08:50.540 The pill?

02:08:51.340 No, not the pill. That's different. That's, I'm talking about, uh, where they're mailing chemical

02:08:55.900 abortion packets.

02:08:56.860 Oh yeah.

02:08:57.580 Yeah.

02:08:57.660 Where women are bleeding out and emergency room visits are up nearly 300%.

02:09:02.220 No, it's a, you guys should look into it. It's a very serious thing.

02:09:05.100 But why is that?

02:09:06.140 Because abortion, it's because women don't have access to safe abortion.

02:09:10.620 So they start resorting to these sorts of methods.

02:09:12.140 There's no such thing as a safe abortion.

02:09:13.820 Let me be honest.

02:09:14.460 Really?

02:09:14.860 You said that there were, did you, there were millions of women that got an abortion,

02:09:18.460 but you're going to say that none of them were, all of them died after?

02:09:22.140 All the babies did.

02:09:23.580 But did the women, is it safe, is it unsafe for a woman to procure an abortion?

02:09:27.820 But it doesn't, well, hold on.

02:09:29.020 Answer that question.

02:09:29.740 Is it unsafe for a woman to procure an abortion?

02:09:31.580 Every single abortion, every single.

02:09:33.100 You know it's not unsafe.

02:09:33.980 Hold on, let them answer.

02:09:35.900 Every, every single abortion has a victim necessarily.

02:09:39.340 And many, many times has a woman full of regret that we are now seeing.

02:09:45.260 And I'm not going to make up numbers out of nowhere, but there is a growing community

02:09:49.020 of abortion regret, including, you know, people that are speaking out and they're saying,

02:09:53.580 I wish I wouldn't have.

02:09:54.620 And it resulted in either difficulty to have children in the future or mental trauma.

02:10:00.620 But why do you care about their life, though?

02:10:02.380 That's, that's a good question.

02:10:03.340 Or what about the moms like, like her mother, who I wish I actually had had an abortion

02:10:07.340 because that wasn't the life path that I wanted to go down, but it was one that I chose to make.

02:10:11.420 Do you care about those?

02:10:12.460 I care about all people.

02:10:13.420 So why, why do I care?

02:10:14.300 But do you care about that specific opinion?

02:10:15.740 I'm sorry.

02:10:15.900 Somebody who regrets not getting an abortion.

02:10:17.420 Regrets not, no, I don't regret that mothers wanted to murder their kids.

02:10:21.180 No, no, no, but do you care about the opinions of moms who actually say,

02:10:23.740 I have a child, but I'm not happy with having a family.

02:10:25.980 I actually wish I had gotten an abortion.

02:10:27.340 Do you think that that...

02:10:28.220 Why don't they just kill their kid then?

02:10:30.700 I don't think that it not necessarily follows that if you regret not getting an abortion,

02:10:34.460 that you're going to commit murder.

02:10:35.340 But it's the same thing.

02:10:36.940 Yeah, just put your kid up for adoption.

02:10:38.060 What about adoption?

02:10:38.700 If you regret it so bad, just give it...

02:10:40.460 I don't think most people at that point, they're not going to put their kid up for adoption.

02:10:42.780 Hold on, you could drop a kid.

02:10:43.820 Why not?

02:10:44.300 You regret it.

02:10:44.940 No, no, no.

02:10:45.260 I'm not saying anything's stopping them.

02:10:46.300 I'm saying most people are not going to do that, but if you ask them,

02:10:49.180 like, would you have rather had an abortion or a family?

02:10:51.260 Some of them might say, yeah, actually, having a family and raising a child is very hard.

02:10:54.780 I actually wish I had an abortion.

02:10:55.820 I don't doubt that that opinion might be held.

02:10:57.820 Not everybody is fit to be a parent.

02:10:59.340 But let me just answer your question really quick.

02:11:01.740 Why do I care?

02:11:02.780 If you cannot get the life question right, then you get every other question wrong.

02:11:07.500 When does life begin?

02:11:08.460 And I care about the innocent.

02:11:10.220 I don't like bullies.

02:11:11.180 I don't like evil.

02:11:12.380 And I believe it is an act of evil to destroy those that can't defend themselves,

02:11:16.300 including the one million babies in utero.

02:11:18.220 Are you pro-contraception?

02:11:19.500 Are you pro-women?

02:11:20.220 Personally, or I'm agnostic on the question politically, meaning it's legal, so be it.

02:11:25.260 But I wouldn't consider it to be a good lifestyle choice, including most specifically hormonal

02:11:31.580 birth control.

02:11:32.140 Now, mind you, I'm over my skis on this being a man, but I will yield to the growing community

02:11:36.860 of women on both sides of the political aisle that are ditching their hormonal birth control

02:11:41.020 because they say, I don't like the way it makes me feel.

02:11:42.860 Or they want an IUD, which is a non-hormonal form of birth control.

02:11:45.900 One second, but there is a growing body of literature by Dr. Daniel Amen and many other

02:11:50.220 people that show that the pill increases anxiety and depression and suicidal, I'm sorry, certain

02:11:56.940 types of ideation.

02:11:57.900 So again, I am not going to act like an expert on that, but that's a legit community online

02:12:02.940 of people that are ditching hormonal birth control.

02:12:04.860 I think the way that you're phrasing things of like, oh no, murdering the babies is quite

02:12:08.620 interesting because I don't think in any other example where we have a person and their life

02:12:13.020 is somehow connected to someone else, if they decide, hey, I don't want to do this anymore,

02:12:16.860 I don't want to give my kidney to this person, I don't want to continue this blood transfusion,

02:12:21.420 I don't want to continue this process, we wouldn't go and point at them and be like,

02:12:24.540 you're a murderer.

02:12:25.660 So I just think that there is a distinction to be made here when you're saying, oh no,

02:12:29.020 they're murdering babies by just deciding that, hey, actually, I don't want this fetus

02:12:33.980 to continue using my lungs, my blood, my organs to continue developing.

02:12:38.700 Like, would you call somebody who doesn't want to have like, give a blood transfusion

02:12:42.620 or give a kidney or something like that?

02:12:43.740 No, that's a good question.

02:12:44.780 That's actually a good faith question.

02:12:46.780 So if I had the specific type of blood type, okay, and in a hypothetical desert island,

02:12:51.420 there happened to be a medical facility and somebody right there needed a blood transfusion

02:12:55.500 and I said, no, I would be complicit in their death.

02:12:57.820 Yes.

02:12:58.300 Okay.

02:12:58.620 I'm saying that, that is the extrapolation of the hypothetical.

02:13:01.580 So if, what is it?

02:13:02.860 It's complicit to the point that you should be punished if you refuse to render aid to

02:13:06.780 that person.

02:13:07.580 Let me finish.

02:13:08.300 Let me finish.

02:13:09.580 Let me finish.

02:13:10.140 Okay.

02:13:10.540 So if the government decided, hey, you know what?

02:13:12.860 Like, let's say Joe Biden is put in the hospital and you're the only person for whatever reason

02:13:18.300 in the world that can like give him a kidney and you have to basically give him like constant

02:13:23.100 transfusions of blood for like the next year would be a murder if you decided not to do that.

02:13:27.260 Well, first I would do it even though I can't stand Joe Biden.

02:13:29.340 So yeah, just for, just for the record.

02:13:31.740 And if it was only for nine months, yeah, I'd do it.

02:13:33.500 And if you didn't do it, do you think you should be punished with jail time or worse?

02:13:36.860 It depends the type of informed consent that goes alongside of it, which goes back to why

02:13:40.940 I believe women are lied to and women are victims in the abortion process.

02:13:44.540 And yes, there are exceptions where women really know what's happening.

02:13:47.580 Even very, very rare.

02:13:49.020 However, I don't think the law should go towards women.

02:13:51.420 I think they are, I, first of all, I just think that there should be grace and forgiveness

02:13:55.020 because a lot of women go to abortions in crisis.

02:13:57.020 They feel overwhelmed.

02:13:58.380 They, they are, they feel, um, as if the world is against them.

02:14:01.580 The abortionists, let me be very clear, the people that call themselves medical doctors

02:14:06.140 that know better that actually do the very damaging graphic removal of the baby.

02:14:11.980 Those are the people that I think should be focused when it comes to a lot to your point,

02:14:14.700 though, if for nine months, I would have to live a tougher life for another human being to live.

02:14:20.780 I would do that.

02:14:21.420 Wait, but it's not, wait, I just, I want to be clear.

02:14:25.340 Would like what Aaron was saying earlier.

02:14:27.580 So do you think the government should be able to punish you for not doing that?

02:14:30.780 Should you be able to go to jail or should the government be able to send you to jail

02:14:34.060 because you didn't want to give blood transfusions to Joe Biden for nine months?

02:14:37.580 Should the government have that ability?

02:14:39.100 It depends if I knew the totality, if there really were no other options.

02:14:42.380 If I said to, if all of a sudden in this theoretical stranded desert island in this abstract thing,

02:14:48.060 and I had all the informed consent and Joe Biden was dying and he said,

02:14:51.980 help me out, bro.

02:14:52.860 I need nine months of your blood.

02:14:54.940 And I said, no, I would be at the very least third degree murder.

02:14:59.260 Yes.

02:14:59.420 Do you think that in that, in that, in that stranded?

02:15:01.820 Because all of a sudden, if I let him go and I say, you know,

02:15:04.140 no, I'm not going to give you my blood.

02:15:05.500 I'm not going to give you my stuff.

02:15:06.780 I personally wouldn't be able to live with myself.

02:15:08.460 If I have something that I don't need, maybe you guys agree or disagree.

02:15:11.820 If I had something that won't, and this is my own personal life.

02:15:15.020 You guys could disagree.

02:15:16.060 But if I have something that, that will be make my life more difficult for nine months

02:15:20.860 to use the analogy.

02:15:21.740 Right.

02:15:22.220 But it meant another life could continue.

02:15:24.540 I would sign up in a second.

02:15:25.980 Do you think there has ever been a woman who has procured an abortion that had totally

02:15:30.060 informed consent and still went through with the decision?

02:15:32.300 Of course.

02:15:32.700 Yes.

02:15:33.020 But do you think that that woman who has informed that that's way too hypothetical?

02:15:36.700 The answer is no, because how could you find them?

02:15:38.540 How could you investigate them?

02:15:39.420 I know it happens every single day.

02:15:40.700 There's actually a case right now in Texas of a woman who is actually trying to go what

02:15:44.380 you're trying to do to get an abortion, and Texas has said that when she returns, they

02:15:48.780 want to put her in jail.

02:15:49.740 Yes.

02:15:50.140 So I don't believe in that, number one.

02:15:51.820 And I know what you're trying to do.

02:15:53.020 You're trying to paint me on the extreme of punishing women for abortions, and I'm going

02:15:56.540 to remain holding fast that I think women are the victims in the abortion industry.

02:16:00.220 They get lied to by Planned Parenthood.

02:16:01.820 They get lied by the abortionists.

02:16:03.500 If I was in your chair, I'd be doing the exact same thing.

02:16:05.100 But you deny that there's any women that have informed consent in this decision.

02:16:07.660 You believe that the vast majority of people that get abortions are deluded into getting

02:16:13.660 them.

02:16:13.820 I said, of course there are, nor should the law or the policy be focused towards women.

02:16:18.620 And the vast majority, 90%, 95%.

02:16:20.940 We know this from studies by pro-life groups, and we know this by studies, not even just

02:16:24.700 by pro-life groups, by Planned Parenthood.

02:16:26.140 I was going to say by bias groups.

02:16:27.420 Well, hold on a second.

02:16:28.300 Do they administer an ultrasound before an abortion?

02:16:30.540 Yes or no?

02:16:31.020 The answer is no.

02:16:31.580 In some states, they do, because it's mandated by those state laws.

02:16:34.540 Yeah.

02:16:34.940 Well, not before.

02:16:36.460 Those states have completely eliminated abortion now, after the fall of Roe.

02:16:39.900 But- There's no abortion?

02:16:41.020 Or is it that those abortions are just happening in unsafe ways because women can't go to doctors

02:16:46.220 to get them?

02:16:46.700 Well, many of them- Do you really think that states-

02:16:48.380 They're doing abortion tourism, many of them.

02:16:52.060 They're coming to states like this.

02:16:53.180 But let's take California, for example.

02:16:54.620 Let's get less abstract.

02:16:55.900 Where we hear right now, if one of you want to get an abortion down the street,

02:16:59.020 they will not give you an ultrasound before.

02:17:01.260 And just so you know what an ultrasound is, it's a three-dimensional interactive image of

02:17:05.980 the baby fetus, whatever you want to call it, in the womb before termination.

02:17:09.980 They will not show that.

02:17:10.940 And so, to answer your question, first of all, I think it would be so unrealistic.

02:17:17.500 And I know what you're trying to do.

02:17:18.540 You're trying to play into a narrative that really doesn't exist too much.

02:17:21.340 You could use the text as an example.

02:17:22.780 That Republicans want to punish women for having abortions.

02:17:25.900 Hold on a second.

02:17:26.540 I don't like that argument.

02:17:27.980 I don't.

02:17:28.300 Because from 12 years old, from the first sexual education young girls have in this country,

02:17:33.340 is they look at abortion as normal, as fine.

02:17:35.900 And so they've been indoctrinated.

02:17:37.180 That's why I continue to believe that they are victims of a bigger scheme.

02:17:40.700 They're victims of a bigger scheme.

02:17:42.300 And they should not be punished or held accountable.

02:17:44.300 Instead, you go after the industry itself that knows better.

02:17:47.020 There is no comprehensive sex ed in this country.

02:17:49.180 I grew up in Texas.

02:17:50.460 And the sex education that I was given, to the extent that I was, was abstinence only.

02:17:54.140 So them saying, don't have sex, basically.

02:17:56.060 And another thing, I take issue with something else that you said earlier, which is that,

02:18:00.220 oh, well, they've reduced abortions because they've made it illegal.

02:18:03.420 But you know that just because something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen anymore.

02:18:06.540 But murder is illegal when murder happens.

02:18:08.140 But birth rates are up.

02:18:10.540 So that's how we know it's working.

02:18:12.460 Were you going off of birth rates?

02:18:13.740 Or were you going off the fact that there is your reported abortions

02:18:16.060 because doctors refuse to perform them because they don't want to go to jail?

02:18:18.300 I guarantee you there are back alley abortions happening.

02:18:20.620 Right.

02:18:21.020 Far less than used to happen when the clinics were open.

02:18:23.260 Should those women have to get back alley abortions?

02:18:25.260 Well, they shouldn't get abortions at all.

02:18:27.180 But they're going to.

02:18:28.300 It's just a matter of whether it's going to be safe or not.

02:18:30.140 Okay.

02:18:30.620 Again, that's the murder example.

02:18:31.900 There's still a lot of murders.

02:18:33.020 And I'm glad murder is illegal on the books.

02:18:34.860 It's also the R word example.

02:18:36.540 It's also those.

02:18:37.500 So I could apply it equally.

02:18:38.540 Of course, there will always be people that break the law.

02:18:41.260 And there will always be people that produce the most graphic,

02:18:43.980 horrific content, you know, illegally online.

02:18:46.300 That doesn't mean the law is, should not exist.

02:18:49.420 The law needs to be a reflection of morality.

02:18:51.740 And most importantly, the fundamental principle, the defense of the innocent.

02:18:54.620 How about liberty?

02:18:55.580 Shouldn't it be within people's purview to engage in like family planning

02:18:59.580 or make those decisions for themselves?

02:19:01.020 What is liberty?

02:19:02.620 Liberty is a concept that has been hotly debated by many political

02:19:06.860 I know.

02:19:07.180 That's why I ask it.

02:19:07.820 Scientists, philosophers, but liberty is one having the autonomy

02:19:12.540 and self-determination to be able to make as many free and fair choices

02:19:15.740 in their life and society as possible.

02:19:18.460 Fair.

02:19:18.860 And so if liberty hurts somebody else, is it still liberty?

02:19:21.980 No, because now you're infringing upon other people's liberty.

02:19:23.900 So it comes in contact with other people's rights all the time.

02:19:26.940 Right.

02:19:27.180 So we have clarity, but not agreement.

02:19:28.700 I view abortion by being a violation of the liberty principle

02:19:31.580 because there's a victim.

02:19:32.540 You don't view it that way.

02:19:33.820 So we have reasonable disagreement.

02:19:35.820 Yes, we have reasonable disagreement.

02:19:38.220 But there's obviously a victim, right?

02:19:39.900 There's a baby that needs to be scraped aside,

02:19:42.060 cast and put into a trash can.

02:19:43.740 That is a victim.

02:19:44.460 Therefore, it's the violation of the liberty principle that you articulated.

02:19:49.020 Brian, I want to ask you a question.

02:19:50.620 Do you think that it's consistent in Charlie Kirk's philosophy to say that

02:19:58.540 a woman procuring an abortion, which is akin to murder,

02:20:01.580 should not have to go to jail even though she's effectively murdering her own child,

02:20:05.100 her future child?

02:20:05.740 Well, truthfully, I'm not really, like, well-versed on this topic, so.

02:20:10.060 From what you've heard so far, do you think that if somebody conflates

02:20:12.860 abortion with murder, the person who gets wet?

02:20:14.140 I'm not the politics guy.

02:20:15.260 I'm the dating guy.

02:20:17.260 But, you know, it came up.

02:20:18.940 So, sorry, repeat the question.

02:20:21.500 Just, do you think it's consistent in someone's philosophy to say

02:20:24.700 simultaneously that abortion is murder, but that the person who actually

02:20:28.140 asks for that murder, effectively, should not have to go to jail?

02:20:32.220 Do you think that's consistent, or do you think that doesn't make sense?

02:20:35.580 I'm not even following.

02:20:36.540 Sorry, I've got, like, an attempt to write you right now.

02:20:38.860 If somebody conceives of abortion as murder, if somebody conceives of abortion as murder,

02:20:43.260 do you think that if they engage in getting an abortion, aka murder, they should be excluded

02:20:47.660 from going to jail because they're just a victim?

02:20:50.300 Do you think that's consistent?

02:20:51.260 I don't, honestly.

02:20:52.460 You're not representing my argument.

02:20:54.700 That's my answer.

02:20:55.580 I don't know.

02:20:55.820 There's an important wrinkle that you're missing, which is that the woman, in my view,

02:21:00.140 in any objective analysis, does not get the full picture of what's being done to her,

02:21:04.700 the full picture of the being inside of her.

02:21:07.100 So that's a very important element you're missing here, right?

02:21:09.420 But I was saying that even in the cases that they do, and they choose to get an abortion,

02:21:14.700 should they go to jail?

02:21:15.580 And you wouldn't engage with the hypothetical.

02:21:16.780 I want to see a trial.

02:21:17.580 So let me be honest.

02:21:19.580 If they did engage in that and all that, there should be a national forgiveness for those women.

02:21:25.900 And that's what I would say.

02:21:27.660 And in those very rare cases, because what we're talking about is improbable,

02:21:31.260 it would be, first of all, insanely unpopular.

02:21:33.180 I'm very aware of that.

02:21:34.380 But I offer grace and forgiveness to women that have had abortion, not to the people that have conducted them.

02:21:40.860 I do want to move on here a little bit because Charlie has to leave in about 15, 20 minutes.

02:21:46.140 So last thing on the abortion thing, just really quick.

02:21:49.340 And I think we might have touched on this before.

02:21:51.260 I guess just for Pixie and you, just since you guys seem the most vocal on this topic.

02:21:55.580 Do you think that a woman not being financially ready is a valid reason to get an abortion?

02:22:01.180 Yes.

02:22:01.660 Yes.

02:22:02.300 All of you?

02:22:02.780 Yes.

02:22:03.260 Yes.

02:22:03.900 What about parental responsibility?

02:22:06.220 Maybe they could be financially ready, but they just don't want the increased burden, I guess, to be a parent.

02:22:16.060 Is that also a valid reason?

02:22:17.180 That's a valid reason.

02:22:18.380 I don't think the government has a right to basically dictate your bodily autonomy.

02:22:22.380 That's where I draw the line, even if another being is dependent on it.

02:22:26.060 So I have a question for you.

02:22:30.140 What do you say to a man who is not financially ready or who is not, perhaps, not ready for the parental responsibility?

02:22:37.420 What do you tell him?

02:22:39.420 It's his choice too.

02:22:41.340 Should he have not had sex?

02:22:43.260 Is that what you tell a man?

02:22:45.020 No.

02:22:45.500 No.

02:22:46.540 I think they should have been more careful, but I wouldn't say overall that they're irresponsible

02:22:49.340 for engaging in sex.

02:22:50.860 Accidents happen with everything.

02:22:51.580 No, but what is the outcome for a man who is not financially ready or does not want the parental

02:22:57.580 responsibility?

02:22:58.060 Paper abortions.

02:22:58.860 They call these paper abortions.

02:22:59.980 You can write away your parental rights.

02:23:01.100 Men's rights advocates prefer, I believe that the term is legal paternal surrender.

02:23:05.580 Legal paternal surrender is the solution to this, where men can surrender their rights

02:23:09.820 and any claims to parenthood of that child.

02:23:11.500 And they wouldn't have to pay child support.

02:23:13.260 Right.

02:23:13.580 Or, yeah, exactly.

02:23:14.860 I think that is the, it's an imperfect solution, but it's the closest thing that you could get

02:23:19.100 because you would never have the say over whether or not somebody carries a pregnancy

02:23:22.220 to term, somebody else.

02:23:23.340 Okay.

02:23:24.060 Pixie, any thoughts on that?

02:23:25.100 Yeah.

02:23:27.420 I guess I just like, I'm in similar alignment.

02:23:29.580 I think, again, I think there's a legal question of abortion and there's like a moral

02:23:34.540 question as well, as well as when it comes to like giving birth.

02:23:37.100 And that's why I think like even morally, even though I might not personally have an abortion

02:23:40.860 or whatever.

02:23:42.460 I just don't think the government has a right to tell you what to do with your abortion.

02:23:45.980 Well, if you can try to actually answer the question.

02:23:47.900 So, I mean, what do you tell, because in all 50 states in the United, in the US, whether

02:23:55.020 there's abortion rights or not in that state, in all 50 states, if the woman chooses to proceed

02:24:02.380 with the pregnancy and has the child, you know, there's certainly going to be some either

02:24:07.420 financial or parental responsibilities that men cannot so easily do away with.

02:24:15.100 Do you think that it's...

02:24:15.900 I understand what you're saying.

02:24:17.340 I think...

02:24:17.740 What do you tell a man though, who's like, I don't want to have to pay child support.

02:24:21.020 I don't want to have to be parentally responsible for the child.

02:24:23.980 What do you say to a man in that situation?

02:24:26.060 Yeah, I think you have a legal right to do that.

02:24:28.300 That doesn't necessarily...

02:24:29.260 Well, men don't have a legal right to do that in any state.

02:24:31.660 Yeah, they ought to.

02:24:32.460 But it's really interesting how people who are in favor of abortion become bronze age

02:24:38.380 pro-lifers when it comes to the male side of this.

02:24:42.540 Oh, no.

02:24:43.100 Because you...

02:24:43.660 I'm consistent.

02:24:44.460 I've said that legally.

02:24:45.660 Oh, I don't think the government should have a say on what you do with your bodily autonomy.

02:24:49.820 And I think legally, a man should have...

02:24:52.380 The government shouldn't like necessarily force you

02:24:55.740 to claim childhood or like parenthood over a child that you don't claim to have.

02:25:00.460 Does that make sense?

02:25:01.580 I'm saying that there's like a legal consistency here that I believe in.

02:25:04.300 Okay, so you're in favor of a legal paternal surrender.

02:25:07.580 Yeah.

02:25:07.980 Perhaps in states where abortion is legal.

02:25:10.220 Yeah, yeah.

02:25:10.860 And men are already surrendering their children, even without that not happening.

02:25:15.340 I don't think...

02:25:15.740 Men can walk out on their...

02:25:18.380 Men can already walk out on their children.

02:25:20.620 Men can walk out on their children.

02:25:22.140 They already do.

02:25:22.940 I think it would be better.

02:25:23.900 Of course.

02:25:24.460 But I don't think...

02:25:25.740 Yeah, I think there's a difference between like moral and legality.

02:25:29.180 And that's why I think we would agree.

02:25:30.940 Yeah, men are already doing this.

02:25:31.900 I think it would just be better to regulate it and bring it above the board

02:25:34.140 and make it like a formalized legal thing.

02:25:36.460 Yeah.

02:25:37.020 So I have a question.

02:25:38.060 You're obviously very pro-life.

02:25:40.460 Are you vegetarian?

02:25:42.540 I'm not a vegetarian.

02:25:43.580 Oh.

02:25:44.700 Yeah.

02:25:45.260 I'm vegan.

02:25:47.820 Well, a cow is not a human being.

02:25:50.780 But it's a life.

02:25:51.340 Human is a life.

02:25:52.380 It's not a human life.

02:25:53.660 I think he's pro-human.

02:25:54.940 Hold on a second.

02:25:56.220 You do know that vegetables are alive too.

02:25:59.900 Broccoli screams when you pull it from the ground.

02:26:02.620 And by the way, there is a moral difference between a cow or a salmon or swordfish than a human being.

02:26:09.020 I don't think she was equating them, but she was just saying that they have the capacity for life.

02:26:12.380 I think they're so alive.

02:26:13.420 I think they're so alive.

02:26:14.060 That's why I said, hold on.

02:26:15.500 Rewind the tape.

02:26:16.140 I said, when does human life begin?

02:26:17.580 I did ask that question.

02:26:18.700 No, I don't think she was calling that into question.

02:26:20.140 I think she was just asking like, do you extend that to animals?

02:26:22.460 No, I do not.

02:26:24.540 No, I think that we as human beings have supremacy over animals.

02:26:28.540 Yeah, we should watch and care for animals to the best of our ability.

02:26:32.460 So we should kill them humanely.

02:26:33.740 What is this?

02:26:35.020 Come on now.

02:26:35.580 That's the abortion argument.

02:26:37.500 The humane abortion.

02:26:38.460 Wait, if you really think a human life and a cow is similar.

02:26:42.700 A cow is better than a human life.

02:26:44.220 Similar as far as like moral worth and moral consideration.

02:26:46.780 I don't think that there's going to be like a comparison as far as like in the way that you're making, I guess.

02:26:51.740 But like people feel this attachment to animals already, like they're pets, right?

02:26:55.420 Like a dog or a cat.

02:26:56.700 Honestly, if you ask most people, would you rather save a stranger in a fire or your pet, your dog or your cat in a fire?

02:27:02.140 That's screwed up morally.

02:27:02.860 Most people would say, I'm going to save my pet.

02:27:04.700 Yeah, because that's screwed up because they follow their heart, not their head.

02:27:08.940 I have a question.

02:27:09.980 Wait, really quick, but I do want to move.

02:27:12.940 No, you are right.

02:27:13.740 Most people would save their dog or a stranger when drowning.

02:27:16.060 They would save the dog.

02:27:16.780 You're right.

02:27:17.260 And that's if it was their dog.

02:27:18.380 That is, yes, your dog and a stranger.

02:27:20.940 But to answer your question, no, I'm a meat eater and I'm proud of it.

02:27:24.620 He's a proud meat eater, folks.

02:27:27.980 Oh, wait, really quick.

02:27:29.100 You asked if I would date a pro-lifer, Lila, who comes on your show?

02:27:33.420 What's her name?

02:27:34.060 Lila Rose.

02:27:35.180 I would date Lila Rose, okay?

02:27:37.020 I will become pro-life for you, Lila.

02:27:41.660 All right, I'll let her know and perhaps, well, she's married.

02:27:44.300 Okay, all right.

02:27:45.580 Pump the brakes.

02:27:46.300 I missed my opportunity.

02:27:48.460 So a couple, I think some of you raised your hand when you said you were feminists.

02:27:52.540 Do you guys believe in the patriarchy?

02:27:54.300 Yeah, of course.

02:27:55.580 The evil patriarchy, you know.

02:27:57.340 I don't know much about it.

02:27:58.140 It's conspiracy.

02:28:00.540 It's basically, it's basically QAnon for liberal feminists.

02:28:04.700 It is so, and brought, or sorry, Chase, like he thinks that patriarchy is a natural state of the world and should be brought back to that.

02:28:10.780 So how is that QAnon if it's like people within your own group believe that acknowledging?

02:28:15.900 I disagree with Chase about a lot of things.

02:28:18.060 Okay.

02:28:18.460 I mean, he's, he's, he's been a recurring guest on the show, but he's not, his views are not necessarily representative of whatever, so.

02:28:29.900 But do you, do you think that the like trad cons or people, I don't know, I think all trad cons believe in this, but a lot of them who claim like patriarchy should be the state of the world.

02:28:37.500 Yeah, like the patriarchal family structure.

02:28:40.460 I think there's certainly some merit to it, but I do, everybody, and also I think people have different definitions of what that is.

02:28:48.300 I mean, I certainly don't think that there's, we live in a patriarchy currently.

02:28:53.500 I don't think we, there's patriarchy.

02:28:55.660 Do you mean the United States or globally, or both?

02:28:58.540 Uh, I mean, I think it vary based on, uh, it vary based on the, uh, the country.

02:29:05.740 That's a good question.

02:29:06.700 Uh, for example, the United Kingdom has, for the past 200 years, for most of those 200 years has been, maybe it's even more, has been under the rule of a queen.

02:29:17.900 Um, we've, well, it's monarchy, but I mean, well, I'm not super.

02:29:21.420 A sovereign, yeah.

02:29:22.300 Yeah, I'm not super well educated on the, it's more a figurehead, but so, yeah, yeah, exactly.

02:29:27.420 Uh, but, uh, going back to my question, patriarchy, you guys believe in the patriarchy?

02:29:33.820 We believe in that patriarchy.

02:29:35.100 Well, what about the other panelists here?

02:29:36.380 Uh, Sophia, is there a patriarchy?

02:29:38.700 You seem very strong, strong opinions on the patriarchy.

02:29:42.940 Oh, do I, do I really look like that?

02:29:44.540 Is there a patriarchy?

02:29:45.500 Um, can I use the bathroom?

02:29:47.100 And this is the patriarchy I've played.

02:29:51.500 Loose pussy energy donated $200.

02:29:54.380 Wow.

02:29:54.940 Brian, how are you not gonna invite Josie when you got Destiny's Librarian on?

02:29:59.500 Oh.

02:29:59.980 Josie greater than screechy four eyes.

02:30:02.940 Alpha Joe dirt, lrin, feminism, 304s and simps.

02:30:07.740 Okay, alright.

02:30:08.380 Hashtag stole my audio fingers number 8 at 18.

02:30:11.500 Hashtag I want the smoke.

02:30:13.500 Okay, uh, LP.

02:30:14.940 I got like five minutes.

02:30:16.620 We can wrap it up.

02:30:17.340 Okay, yes, definitely, definitely.

02:30:19.740 Yo, LP, thank you.

02:30:20.700 Appreciate it.

02:30:21.340 Um, okay, so I think the, uh, well, I wanted to do one thing with Sophia.

02:30:25.580 Yo, Sophia, you got, can you wait like five minutes before you use the bathroom?

02:30:30.940 I'm sorry.

02:30:31.900 I wanted Charlie's, uh, thoughts on this.

02:30:34.140 Um, and guys, yeah, we, we're gonna have a little bit of reverb issues, uh, but, uh, just bear

02:30:41.740 through it, and then I'll fix it once, uh, next time we get to it.

02:30:45.260 Um, Sophia, I was curious.

02:30:46.380 Um, Sophia, you do OnlyFans.

02:30:48.460 Um, I noticed in some of your photos, Nick, if you can pull them up.

02:30:52.380 Oh, gosh.

02:30:53.260 Oh, gosh.

02:30:54.380 Uh, zoom it out just a tad.

02:30:56.140 Hmm.

02:30:57.020 Nick.

02:30:58.140 Thank you.

02:30:59.020 Thank you.

02:31:00.140 One more.

02:31:01.180 Nick.

02:31:02.140 I miss you wearing cross necks.

02:31:04.140 Yes.

02:31:05.140 Are you, are you Christian?

02:31:06.140 My, so I grew up, um, Catholic, I grew up Catholic, and my mom, um, there's another,

02:31:13.820 but scroll up, scroll up, scroll up, scroll up, come on.

02:31:16.780 Uh, no, I, no, scroll down, so I can, oh, gosh, I know what you're saying.

02:31:21.020 You just got a cross, okay, that's one.

02:31:26.540 Oh, too far, Nick, scroll down, okay, all right, there you, then Nick.

02:31:30.860 Jesus, I can't, okay, another cross, okay, what cheers you up?

02:31:35.500 Oh, and there's a, uh, what's, what emoji is that?

02:31:37.820 The, uh, Eggman, what are you doing next?

02:31:43.420 Okay, Netflix and Fook, and there's, there's the cross, and then, of course, you use your,

02:31:48.620 your Twitter to, scroll down just a minute, you use your, your Twitter to, um, yeah, you

02:31:53.980 know, and you promote your OnlyFans, so I'm, I'm curious, do you, um, while you're shooting

02:31:58.860 your OnlyFans content, your pornographic content, do you wear your cross while you, oh, man.

02:32:04.780 And I noticed you're wearing a cross, I think you're wearing a cross.

02:32:06.700 I know, I took off my cross, I don't have a cross, right now.

02:32:10.300 Well, that top one is like an altered, anyways, um, do you wear your cross while you're shooting

02:32:15.420 pornographic content?

02:32:16.780 I probably have, yes.

02:32:19.100 You probably have.

02:32:20.300 I, I, how do you reconcile, are you Christian?

02:32:22.700 I, well, I grew up Catholic.

02:32:25.500 Okay, Catholic.

02:32:26.620 And my mom is, uh, we grew up Catholic as my dad, and my mom is Christian.

02:32:31.020 Um, but, I mean, my personal beliefs, I, I believe in God, I believe in a higher being,

02:32:38.380 um, but I'm not as strict as, um, I would say a Catholic would be, like a, a firm believer, like

02:32:46.140 believer, um, so, I mean, I, I don't really think much of it, and maybe I'm at fault for that,

02:32:54.060 but I, I, I wear the cross because I do believe in God, and I, I love, you know.

02:33:00.220 I guess just how do you reconcile, uh, you know, wearing the cross, sort of still being

02:33:07.400 a Catholic, I guess, with producing pornographic content?

02:33:14.480 I guess.

02:33:15.060 Which does seem at odds with the faith.

02:33:19.180 I mean, she already said she doesn't think too much about it.

02:33:21.400 I, I don't, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, maybe that's where I'm going to fall.

02:33:24.620 I don't think it's at odds.

02:33:25.500 You ever heard of Mary Magdalene?

02:33:26.560 What, what is the assertion with her?

02:33:30.080 Mary Magdalene was.

02:33:31.060 I've heard differing accounts on that.

02:33:32.820 Are you Christian, Charlie?

02:33:34.480 Yeah, I'm not mildly Christian.

02:33:35.880 Okay, okay.

02:33:36.620 Yeah, Mary Magdalene was a prostitute.

02:33:38.300 Yeah.

02:33:38.640 Um, as, as inferred in the scriptures, but Jesus did tell a prostitute in John 8 to sin no more.

02:33:44.920 Sin no more.

02:33:45.460 He loves all people.

02:33:45.980 But he befriended her, and he was, he loved her.

02:33:47.160 That is correct.

02:33:47.780 He loves all people, but he didn't necessarily love what they did.

02:33:50.480 Sure.

02:33:50.680 That's important.

02:33:51.380 Okay.

02:33:51.680 And I'm only saying that, I don't think that there's any point in the Bible where Jesus endorses

02:33:55.220 her actions, but he does have love for her, so.

02:33:57.440 Correct.

02:33:57.940 Sure.

02:33:58.620 Okay.

02:33:59.080 And so, I guess, like, okay, do you think God wants you doing adult pornographic content?

02:34:08.340 Um.

02:34:08.600 Because you said you at least believe in God, right?

02:34:10.140 Yes, I do.

02:34:10.720 Okay.

02:34:11.220 Um, okay.

02:34:13.340 Well, I don't, I don't, I don't think he specifically likes it, but I know that he does love me, and

02:34:21.040 I have reasons to why I do what I do.

02:34:23.460 Okay.

02:34:23.740 And they're good reasons.

02:34:24.740 Sure.

02:34:25.200 And it's not, mostly, mostly it's not selfish at all, and.

02:34:29.280 Sure.

02:34:29.680 I actually provide a lot for my family.

02:34:31.760 Do you, do you think God wants you doing adult content?

02:34:39.300 Split Nick?

02:34:40.560 Probably not.

02:34:41.940 Okay.

02:34:43.100 Okay.

02:34:43.660 Fair enough.

02:34:44.840 Do you have any thoughts on that, Charlie?

02:34:46.760 Well, I have, like, broad thoughts in general.

02:34:49.220 I've enjoyed the discussion, everybody.

02:34:51.420 And I will just make one parting thing.

02:34:53.540 Sure.

02:34:54.520 Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently,

02:34:57.960 and I hope the chat enjoyed it.

02:35:00.580 Look, for whatever it's worth, if you're, if you're engaged in the creation of that content,

02:35:06.160 I think God has a better plan for you.

02:35:07.620 I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear,

02:35:09.700 but just maybe you'll have an encounter with God, and Jesus loves all of you,

02:35:14.360 and he can transform your life.

02:35:15.820 He transformed my life.

02:35:17.120 I've had a lot of problems in my life, a lot of problems, and Jesus solves everything.

02:35:21.240 And every day is a new day, and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you.

02:35:25.860 And I know that might not be something you even believe,

02:35:28.880 and you might think that all Christians hate you and your way of life,

02:35:31.940 and all those sorts of things.

02:35:33.720 Most of them do.

02:35:34.220 Well, I'll say this.

02:35:35.220 I'm a pretty firm-believing, outspoken Christian, and God loves every single one of us.

02:35:39.780 We're all sinners, and Jesus died for us.

02:35:42.260 I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen.

02:35:45.460 Well, thank you.

02:35:46.040 That's very kind, and I can tell you it's not me.

02:35:49.560 If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming.

02:35:51.660 It's the Holy Spirit.

02:35:52.920 It really is.

02:35:53.580 I know it might sound silly.

02:35:54.560 It might sound cliche, but Jesus has gone to work on my life.

02:35:59.000 And so God bless you guys.

02:36:00.340 Thank you for a great discussion.

02:36:01.100 Charlie, thank you for coming.

02:36:02.560 Where can the people, if they want to find more of you, do you got a YouTube channel?

02:36:07.440 We have a YouTube channel.

02:36:08.860 If you guys want to subscribe to it, we do a podcast of three hours a day,

02:36:11.980 and you run a great show here.

02:36:14.140 Thank you for coming.

02:36:14.780 Appreciate it.

02:36:15.260 Thank you guys for being great co-hosts.

02:36:17.420 So you're going to keep the stream going, right?

02:36:19.040 Yeah, we're going to keep the stream going.

02:36:20.160 Sorry, five hours.

02:36:20.780 Totally.

02:36:21.080 Yeah, yeah.

02:36:21.340 A lot of hours.

02:36:22.700 If anybody, I'm trying to think.

02:36:27.660 Is there anything that we can plug with TPUSA?

02:36:30.140 Yeah, if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, it's tpusa.com.

02:36:34.060 The best way to support me is to take out your phone and subscribe to our podcast,

02:36:37.720 the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.

02:36:39.920 And I'd love to come back.

02:36:41.060 I think these are really important discussions.

02:36:42.480 Thank you so much for coming.

02:36:43.340 Is there a local TPUSA charter here at UCSB?

02:36:46.780 We have a lot of students that watch.

02:36:48.680 Yeah, we're not very well.

02:36:49.340 If you're local here to Santa Barbara, you can do it through UCSB.

02:36:53.280 Thank you so much for coming, Charlie.

02:36:54.620 Have a great day.

02:36:55.040 Really appreciate it.

02:36:56.080 Thank you, guys.

02:36:56.760 W is in the chat for Charlie.

02:36:58.900 Thank you.

02:36:59.380 Thank you, Charlie, again.

02:37:00.960 Madison is going to be joining the panel here.

02:37:04.060 Thank you.

02:37:06.180 Thank you.

02:37:06.720 Thank you.

02:37:07.260 Thank you.

02:37:09.020 Thank you.

02:37:22.880 Thank you.

02:37:23.460 Thank you.

02:37:23.920 Thank you.

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