Crazy Desiree ATTACKS Andrew Wilson & Brian？! FLASHES？! Unhinged RAGE QUIT？! ｜ Whatever Debates #7
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Summary
In this special episode of Whatever Debate, host Brian Atlas is joined by Andrew Wilson, Madison Vujicic, and Desiree Noelle to discuss a variety of topics, including white supremacy, white privilege, and the mother wound.
Transcript
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Welcome to the special edition of a Whatever Debate podcast.
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I'm joined tonight by Andrew Wilson, the great Madison Vu, and Desiree.
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Desiree, you want to introduce yourself into the...
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Well, so with that said, welcome back, Desiree.
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And so you came on the show previously and had quite an interesting exchange.
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And we always like to hear people's specific criticisms and their viewpoints.
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So I just wanted to hear out, I guess, what your criticisms were.
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So can you scoot into the table a little bit and then just get a little closer to the mic?
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Well, those weren't the criticisms that you outlined previously.
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Found that your show was very dated on basically opinions and thought processes that I had.
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I literally thought that it was dead like 20 years ago.
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And I was very triggered because I came on this show and it felt like I walked through a portal back to like literally age 13 being at like, you know, church indoctrination camp basically.
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And I've spent so long, I thought, healing myself from that ideology.
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And I guess I came on this show and I was honestly shocked that there was still pockets of society that were perpetuating the ideologies that I discovered you promoting to very young impressionable minds.
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Basically, colonialism, white supremacy, woman hating.
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I could really feel the mother wound unhealed from you guys being.
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I could understand that the show was all about basically you unleashing your mother wound onto any female that had the compensatory father wound that would match that.
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So, I found that the show created an environment whereby females almost 100% are being invited to essentially.
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I just watched one on the stream and it's getting, it's like in and out.
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This could be related to the stop and start of the recording that I'm possibly.
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I feel like trying to listen to it on the cell phone is not the way to troubleshoot this.
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What was, was anything, even race talked about in that entire show?
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Well, you have to understand when it comes to ancestral or generational trauma that I was responding to, it has nothing to do with the external appearance of things.
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So, when I say white supremacy, I'm referring to the energetics of there being basically a hierarchy of worthiness given to humanity.
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So, I do believe that there is a hierarchy of calling for humanity, meaning we're not all gifted with the same intelligence.
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Or, obviously, not everybody is made to be a thought leader or a scientist or things like that that require a higher level of access to consciousness.
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But I do believe that we all have an inherent equal worthiness before creator.
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And I believe that those of us who are leaders are called to lead well the class of people who are not intellectually capable of seeing from a big enough perspective to lead themselves.
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Hence why we started out having, like, a president or a government or things like that.
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It's like a descriptor for a set of traits, characteristics that you're looking at.
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So, I believe that it started out being an identifier similar.
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Like, if a cop gets on and he says, white male suspect and he's running southbound.
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So, when you say white supremacist views, right?
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What comes to my mind is this heuristic, which is associating people with these characteristics
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who think they're superior to people who have the same set of characteristics, but they're
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Well, the problem is, for example, we had the black gal on here, and I would say that
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So, essentially, you can tell from her wounding and her trauma responding and how she was trying
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to please you and everything that she was saying, you could tell that she was raised, even though
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her skin was black, she was raised with the ideology that white man is correct.
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So, she took on all the colonialism, the Judeo-Christian indoctrination, and the basically subordination of women in that society.
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There is literally no possible way for you to know, based on the few conversations you had with this chick who was sitting here,
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that she's conceding to what's being said, not because she disagrees with it, but because she has been conditioned to believe that everything that I say is true because I'm white.
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I'm actually a very expert savant psychological profiler, so I'm telling you, I can tell.
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I am a savant psychological profiler, so I'm telling you, I can tell that she wasn't.
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Does that seem like it's even a reasonable argument to make?
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Yeah, to me it does because I know my exact training and my expertise, and I am telling you, I have studied humans enough and their psyche to know what was presenting.
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So, the white supremacist stuff that you heard on the program was you just made it up?
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So, what actually appealed to any type of whiteness being grouped or categorized as being superior to some other ethnicity or something like this?
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Now, I don't want to hear about energetics and the perception of things which we're not talking about.
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I want to hear about things we are talking about.
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Okay, so you don't actually want to understand me.
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Well, because, and this is important, when we're having a conversation, if I use a word and then you use a word, but we're using the word completely differently, then we're not having a conversation.
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Well, we can change the word if white doesn't resonate with you.
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Well, you said white supremacist, so I want to know what you mean by white.
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Okay, so in this ideology, does that require superiority?
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So, now that we've established that this is an ideology and it requires superiority, what makes it white?
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Because tons of ideologies require superiority.
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So, what makes it specifically in that white category versus, I don't know, black liberation theology or something like this?
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Because I see that ideology particularly running through so strongly, maybe Hitler started it, maybe that was where it started, but there is a ideology that's running consistent throughout all the different cultures that either you are white or you need to get white in order to have the highest value in the world right now.
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Yeah, but again, you haven't actually identified what makes it white.
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I am using white as a symbol of a particular ideology.
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Why wouldn't you say it's a black supremacist ideology?
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If I say to you, this thing that I'm talking about, I'm talking about an ideology, and that this ideology believes it's superior to another ideology, and therefore other ideologies are inferior to it.
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I can agree with that, but I do need to know why this distinct word white is being used there.
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Well, because you made the claim that it's white supremacy.
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I believe we would, because then this woman was then propagating black supremacy, then, if you want to use black.
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I am talking about the ideology that there could be a best way to human.
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Yeah, but you could advocate that there's a best way to human without saying that that necessarily makes one human superior to another.
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But I don't believe that we have a population right now that has the intellect to even go that deep into the understanding of what an ideology is.
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When you use loaded language, like, you understand that politically white supremacy has a completely different...
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When you're talking about people, word X resonates with people and hits with them differently.
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So, if you're using the loaded language of white supremacy, why am I not to assume that if you don't actually mean white supremacy, that you're saying that for the purposes of just kind of attacking the show, rather than using it for the purpose of actually trying to express an idea?
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It feels to me that I'm trying to express my idea, but that you have a particular agenda of not understanding what I'm saying.
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If I came over and I was like, hey, you know, the big problem that I have is that, you know, you have plants in front of your house.
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I'm not listening to anything you're saying after I push this button.
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So, we can move to the next topic because it's a dead end.
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How can we even have a conversation if we weren't talking about ideologies?
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Well, I thought you were still on specifically the word white.
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I'm just trying to get your thought pattern down.
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Would it be helpful to you if we defined our ideologies, why we think the way that we think,
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Well, let's start with yours, and then I'll do mine.
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It would actually be better for you to go first so I know what you're looking for.
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So, to explain to you my worldview, and there's a bit of complication, but I'm going to try to get it really condensed
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so that you can understand where I'm coming from.
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So, there's many types of Christians, you would say, but there are some kind of universal agreements
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among what are considered Trinitarian Christians.
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So, this would include, so the scripture I'm about to give you is going to include Protestants.
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Okay, but you're very bothered, and then that bothers me, so I want you to feel comfortable.
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Okay, so I'm going to try to give a kind of encompassing ideology here for the Christian
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And I think that the descriptor that I'm going to give is going to...
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Before I get to the ideology, before I can even tell you the ideology.
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Before I can tell you my ideology, you have a question about it before I've even asked you.
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Are you trying to promote that your ideology is superior to mine?
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Because you can have your belief, and I can have my belief, and it's apples and oranges.
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So, do you want to have a conversation with somebody, and you don't even know what their
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Well, I'm saying if it's a debate, and we don't share the same worldview, what's the
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Debates are about not only worldviews, but they're about paradigms.
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So, I have a paradigm in a set way that I look at the world, and so do you.
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There's going to be a paradigm in which you view the world.
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So, what we can do is we can utilize the paradigm in the worldview, and that will relay
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a shitload of information to you immediately about all the things that I would believe across
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But then, what I'm saying is, if I am, let's say, I don't know if I am, but let's say I'm
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Let's say, for example, I'm a Satan worshiper, and you're a Christian.
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So, I'm just trying to understand what the point of all this is.
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Do you think that debate's about agreeing with worldviews?
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As a woman, because I'm basically groomed to have to agree with the males in leadership.
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Otherwise, it gets to be a very toxic environment for me.
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So, if you were a Satanist, and you were debating with a Christian, you would have different
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express worldviews, and then you would debate the incoherency, or the problems, or the non-problems
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They don't always have to be opposing, necessarily.
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There could be points of a debate in which you're looking for agreement.
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So, is it like we're, and honestly, this is not me trying to be difficult.
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I literally am, like, basically a stay-at-home mom.
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Like, okay, I get it, but I've been, like, sheltered, I guess you could say.
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So, I'm trying to learn, honestly, I think what you're inviting me to do is kind of invoke
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my masculine energy and come to the table with you and basically poke holes at your ideology
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and you poke holes at mine, and then we kind of see where in the Venn diagram we might be
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We could find tons of agreement and not be poking holes in anybody's ideology.
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Or we could be looking at concepts exactly the same way, but expressing them differently.
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I don't know any of that until I understand what your worldview is and you understand what
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You can leave it on the table if you want, Desiree.
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As a psychologist, though, I don't know how you would say it's feminine or masculine energy,
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You're, the entirety of what you do is understanding worldviews.
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So, I do have that part of me that, that's what I'm trying to get at, is are you trying
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to talk to Desiree, the woman who basically goes around and feels what everything feels
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Or are you trying to invoke my scientist brain?
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Well, from a philosophical, so from a philosophical angle, if we were to take you, Desiree, take
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gr underscore Gracie donated $100, making the word human a verb, changing the subject when
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you run out of talking points, not off to the greatest start, BTW, when you make everything
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So, when we're talking about, we're talking about worldviews from, from a psychologist
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angle, don't you need to know why people believe the things that they believe?
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Well, the thing is, is I tried to explain to you that I am a really expert psychological
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profiler, so I don't need to have a lot of back and forth with people to understand enough
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about their ideology to know the program that they're spitting back at me.
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So, that's why it's, to me, to my brain, you have to understand, it feels like a waste
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of my time, because even though you haven't verbally expressed your ideology, I can tell
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what it is by the way that you try to trigger me.
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Well, honestly, I don't think you want my brain to start unraveling that whole explanation,
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Yeah, I feel like I've just asked you a couple of questions.
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In fact, I, so, I'm not even in debate mode right now, I'm just trying to figure out, so,
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from the way I think of it, if I take your brain, I take it out and I put it inside of
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You are you with, you're all, maybe all of those thoughts that you had are there, but
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Right, and so you, the encompassment of what is Desiree, is going to be body, mind, soul,
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The entirety of you and the ideology which fits you.
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So, if I took your brain and put it in Madison, you're still not you.
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I would disagree with that, because I believe...
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Okay, okay, so my ideology is that there is a universal consciousness, a universal intelligence.
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We can call that God, we can call that astrology, we can call that life, we can call it whatever
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You didn't create yourself, so whatever it is that you believe created you...
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It seems as though you are the one who has been indoctrinated to believe that you don't
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Might it be the feminist ideals that make you feel this way?
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So, you said you were on universal intelligence.
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When you say universal intelligence, I've actually heard this reference before psychologically
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as the id, or sometimes the superego, or sometimes things like this.
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I'm referring to literally the vibrational information that has been passed down from
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So, really, if you want to go into the science of it, it's actually passed down by the spores.
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Hang on, before we get into the particulars, right, I'm just looking for the universals.
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Just to be honest with you, to be honest with you, I don't have a basic ideology, and contrary
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to popular belief, I wasn't indoctrinated by anything but literally observing things for
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So, I can't be put into a box, and that's why it gets...
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Well, there's no way, no matter how you would describe what you ideologically believe, there
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would be no way, perhaps if I gave you an infinite amount of time to describe it, for
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us to ever get the full scope and picture, right?
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That would be impossible, but we can get an idea.
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Okay, so, the spores, you know, fungi, yeast, bacteria, anything that basically is free-floating
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You would call it mushrooms or spores in the tiny version.
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Okay, so they actually carry the information of all the earth, and they are free-floating
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So, literally, there is a Netflix documentary on it right now, if you're interested in digging
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into the science of it, but a savant, basically, his calling, his obsessions were spores.
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So, watch that documentary, and you can go deep into, literally, this is the scientific
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explanation of how the earth or universal consciousness is speaking to all of us.
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And the spores, scientists are discovering, were actually the first particles that can be
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documented or shown to probably have led to life.
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Do these spores, do they exist in all environments?
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How do they survive in all of the multiple conditions?
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Are there any areas of the world where there aren't the spores?
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Well, this man is not an astronaut, so I don't think he has access to what they've discovered
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in space, but only the people who know what we've collected from Mars and things like
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That's not public information yet, so I don't know.
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It starts very microscopic, tiny, like a cell or an atom, but then it can grow all the way
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I'm giving you the reference of where you could study it yourself if you wanted to go further
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So when your body system is pure enough, meaning you haven't messed with all your hormones
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and things with pharmaceuticals and all of that.
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I don't know enough about the hormone therapies and things that they're giving them.
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And so this is why you think that cross-generational information is...
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And also, vibrationally, trauma especially is being passed down through the generations.
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The womb and then also it's inside the egg and it's inside the sperm.
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Why would different cultures be so technologically distinct then if it was a universal?
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Because once that baby is born into a culture...
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So this is the collective data transfer is through these fungi.
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Because you have to understand that the universe and God is very multifaceted.
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So we look at human cultures and we're assuming that every human should be presenting in the
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We have all different animals evolving into different levels of species.
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And actually what they're starting to do is find the strands of spores that you mix
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So more along the lines of psychedelics, magic mushrooms.
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What they can do is crop dust the right strands of these mixtures of spores and it's literally
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Is that with the bunker and it's like a bunker and everybody has to go...
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But the spores, once the temperature rises high enough, like due to the global warming
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or whatever, like the spores can like enter your brain or whatever and like take control
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Their award, I think it's like Oscar nominated Pablo Pazquez.
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But I'm just telling you, watch that documentary because it will explain to you the deep science
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I mean, people do magic mushrooms all the time.
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It depends on what strand of mushroom you're doing.
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Do you not know about psychedelics and psilocybin and all that?
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So some spores have psilocybin and some do not.
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So some would be psychoactive and some would not be.
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I think I have a pretty thorough understanding of the spore thing now, Andrew.
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I don't expect that you'll be able to express the entirety of your worldview over a thousand
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books or a thousand hours or anything like that.
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But I do think that humans are pretty capable of condensing the kind of cores of their ideas
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very quickly and that those universals can then quickly, even though there's nuance to
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all the universals, can then quickly be picked up.
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So for instance, if somebody says that they're libertarian, they're relaying with the word
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libertarian a huge ideology to you that you never actually have to dive into because just
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by that word, we know some of the implications of it.
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This problem is, Andrew, is like I was telling you earlier, is what we're having is it's like
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a giant game of telephone has been going on where we have so propagated political correctness
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or submission to social norms that we are losing track of conscious thought of people
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being born and having their own thoughts about things.
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And so what's happening is we have gone so many generations of basically being abused,
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if I can say that, basically being forced by our parents and our culture around us to
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Otherwise, we are literally bullied nearly to death.
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So bad, thinking things can be bad in and of itself is ideological.
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So here's my ideology, I guess, in a nutshell, as I'm understanding, is...
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It's that we are no longer letting human beings be born individuals.
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We are indoctrinating them, whether we're from one ideology or another.
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We basically have created an entire world of different cults where you're born into one
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and you are basically pigeonholed into either obeying the ideologies or the rules or the
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social constructs of that society, or you're literally cast out.
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You are cast out, and I am one of those ones who have been cast out.
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Well, now at least I understand, I think, a little bit about where you're coming from.
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So from your angle and your view, ideologies themselves are entanglements of belief structures
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Yeah, they have not been accepted, and you don't want people to be at the mercy of having
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Yes, because I believe each person being born in and having the freedom to have their own
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thought process, that's the checks and balance system in nature to make sure that not one
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So let's back up then, now that at least I understand the core of this.
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I identify more with like a Native American or a tribal African culture.
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I don't have enough of the genetics in me to have a...
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Well, I mean, I've honestly never looked into it.
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This is coming from, you know, how your grandmas tell you, this is our tribe.
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I'm just trying to help you understand that I'm not coming from a Christian ideology.
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I'm coming from a more tribal, ancient type of spirituality, more similar to basically being guided by the astrology with my biological nature system remaining as pure as possible to the earth, how I was created.
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If we were to order a 23andMe genetic testing, would you submit to it?
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Yeah, actually, I've been wanting to do it, but I've been broke.
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So word on the street is I am primarily Native American, Norwegian.
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That's all I have heard passed down through the family verbiage is I'm German, Norwegian, and Native American.
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Now, who knows what is really true, you know, but that is...
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She's talking about the Akashic Record, pseudoscience.
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I think this is in reference to the spores thing, I think.
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You would have to remind me exactly what it is.
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The esoteric idea that there exists all of human knowledge in its entirety in some metaphysical space,
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which can be accessed by all human beings at any time by setting out their conscience and visualizing the great library.
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And then they can access what are called the Akashic Records.
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I mean, I wouldn't put it in those words, but I understand.
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Shockingly, I have a degree, a real one in psychology, and Desiree needs some help.
00:36:04.060
Vibrational information is some new wave bullshit idiot.
00:36:14.520
And then I went to grad school, too, at Cal Baptist in Riverside, and I got a degree in counseling ministry.
00:36:21.940
So I'm actually an ordained counseling ministry.
00:36:27.780
This is not my area of expertise, but goes directly into specifics of how they move through you and how they can be collected.
00:36:43.500
I'm just reporting what the studies are coming in from the savants,
00:36:48.320
which I trust more than researchers who are paid at this point because a savant is somebody who is just genuinely obsessed or passionate about a certain subject.
00:37:03.060
They have nothing political or monetary to gain by their research.
00:37:09.520
So I believe that you really cannot believe everything that you're reading in so-called scientific studies right now.
00:37:17.260
It really needs to go further, and I believe that citizens, citizens who are just genuinely passionate about the subjects
00:37:25.980
need to be fact-checking the so-called experts because a lot of shit is getting fucked with, if I may, at this point.
00:37:35.300
Really quick, going back to your two diplomas here.
00:37:39.820
You got a degree in psychology and social behavior.
00:37:43.840
And then, so I was also, I was, I was enlisted in the U.S. Army back in 2009.
00:37:57.400
So I, they were trying to fast track me to be a combat surgeon because my ASFABs were so high and I had already received my diploma from UC Irvine.
00:38:06.040
And so they wanted me to be an officer, obviously, with my ASFAB scores and my degree.
00:38:10.880
But I actually declined officer status because I did not believe that, I don't believe in taking something just because you learned the head knowledge.
00:38:20.680
I believe in doing the work to actually gain that respect.
00:38:24.100
So I was going to go as a specialist, as an E4, and be a medic, start as a medic.
00:38:30.500
And then they were going to fast track me to be a combat surgeon as soon as I was ready.
00:38:44.080
I was a college graduate and all of us were like scrambling around like what are we going to do?
00:38:50.400
So I never made it because I got pregnant and I actually had to go and get a military discharge before I got shipped off.
00:38:56.780
So at that time, there was such a wait list to even get in the military that I had to wait four months from when I enlisted to when I was going to get shipped out to boot camp.
00:39:11.300
I was going to first be an E4 specialist and be a combat medic.
00:39:14.660
And then I was going to work my way up when I felt that I had deserved the title of officer.
00:39:20.380
Then I was going to let them bump me up to combat surgeon.
00:39:23.500
Can somebody in the chat who has military background educate me if you can go from, you said E4 fast track to combat medic?
00:39:33.320
Starting as an E4, usually you have to have some kind of education.
00:39:36.520
You don't, you would start at E1 if you didn't have a college degree.
00:39:39.840
But then is that a thing that they fast track you to combat surgeon?
00:39:42.560
Yeah, because they were already, they already wanted me to do it.
00:39:44.880
When it comes to the Army, it all depends on the contract.
00:39:48.460
And then, so you have UC Irvine and then you have California State Baptist University.
00:39:54.100
And then, yes, I went on to get certification in a transformational life coaching program with Mary Morrissey.
00:40:00.960
She's very well known in the Brave Thinking Institute.
00:40:03.280
So this one was actually my most expensive certification.
00:40:06.660
This took me two years of extra study, $40,000 for this life coaching certification.
00:40:11.280
So this taught me metaphysics, quantum physics, and how to apply it basically into creating anything that you want in life.
00:40:19.540
So it was cool because my brain took what I knew of psychology and it took what I knew of ministry, of ministering to people, and all of what I knew enough of the world religions.
00:40:32.600
It took all that information and basically showed me how.
00:40:37.120
How long does it take to get a degree in the arts of counseling ministry?
00:40:43.760
Wait, can you move that one so the camera can see it?
00:41:00.660
So I was one of the first of this pilot program.
00:41:03.740
There was only 13 in my class when we completed this.
00:41:20.180
So if we wanted to be ordained because we were going to go actually do anything that required ordination, we could get that.
00:41:27.660
I could still go back and have an official ordination.
00:41:33.320
Well, I mean, if they're going to ordain female ministers, I mean, that would be a degree in heresy, right?
00:41:43.180
Remember, I was trying to give you that earlier, but you didn't want it.
00:41:45.760
Right, but I wouldn't call it heresy because it's just my worldview.
00:41:51.040
So I guess if you want to just agree, it goes against your very small-minded, square ideology.
00:41:55.840
How do you know if my ideology is square and small-minded?
00:42:00.900
Because you're so boring, I don't want to hear it.
00:42:03.220
Should I just prattle and cluck like this and absolutely say nothing for over and over and over again, nonstop, and talk about small mushroom spores?
00:42:08.640
And then after we get to the small mushroom spores, let's move over really quick into how we can cherry-pick the way that different ideologies of the world are all within some type of narrow prism.
00:42:16.640
And that way, you know, we can then move into the psychological and ideology, universal intelligence, vibrational ENF, and bad, the Akashic Records.
00:42:25.300
I mean, does that make you feel better if I spurred?
00:42:28.660
I mean, does it make you feel better if I spurred?
00:42:37.160
I mean, I don't think I'll be any less boring, I suppose, than Andrew.
00:42:43.200
But I did look into, you said that it was a Mary Morrissey for that program.
00:42:49.460
Is she affiliated with the New Thought Organization Living Enrichment Center?
00:43:06.860
No, her husband right now is Joe Dickey, her current husband.
00:43:12.400
I mean, it's possible there's two Mary Morrisseys that are involved in this.
00:43:15.860
My Mary Morrissey is down in Orange County, and she runs the Brave Thinking Institute.
00:43:22.480
She has a special on PBS that was, she was working with the Dalai Lama for like three different
00:43:27.780
sessions of trying to come up with a plan for world peace with Martin Luther, King Jr.'s
00:43:33.800
She does a lot with, she worked a lot with Bob Proctor, if you know Bob Proctor.
00:43:42.140
And then she also does a lot of work with Andrew Beckwith.
00:43:53.280
And that they are more in alignment with my ideology.
00:44:00.600
There's maybe multiple fucking people named Mary Morrissey who are doing these kind of
00:44:11.720
Well, I see something for a living enrichment center, a Wikipedia article that indicates
00:44:18.160
that, I don't know if this is the same one, but there was a Mary Morrissey who had one
00:44:23.620
of these centers and it closed in 2004 as a result of a 10 million financial scandal.
00:44:28.720
Her husband was actually embezzling all that money and she actually-
00:44:34.240
Well, she missed a lot of red flags that he was doing this.
00:44:38.680
And so she shut it down and then she dedicated all these years to repaying back that $10 million.
00:44:43.840
So she has repaid that debt and since she paid it off a long time ago.
00:44:48.240
And now she got out of running her ministry as a church and she now runs it as a life coaching
00:45:07.140
Well, I mean, it seems to indicate here there's a news organization called-
00:45:15.860
When he's saying ministry, he's assuming that it's a Christian ideology.
00:45:23.180
Because I'm feeling some animosity towards you and I'm not understanding why.
00:45:27.240
You're being very condescending when I bring up the word ministry.
00:45:36.120
But if a Christian university is going to ordain you for a ministry-
00:45:41.560
I said, if a Christian organization is going to ordain you for a ministry, they're going
00:45:49.320
Mary Morrissey was not ordained by a Christian organization and nor was I.
00:45:53.700
But you could see how it would correlate, before we were using the word minister in
00:45:58.800
this context, ministry, from a Christian context, that I could assume that this woman
00:46:07.600
But when you say ministry, then what does that mean?
00:46:12.060
It means somebody who is dedicated to helping people.
00:46:14.920
And they have an accountability that is between them and God.
00:46:22.460
If that's their higher power that they are accountable to, yes, there could be satanic
00:46:28.760
Well, I mean, I'm not super interested in this Mary Morrissey or the program that you
00:46:35.280
It does seem to indicate here that as of 2007, there's no more recent reportings.
00:46:42.540
The news organization reported she only repaid only $74,000 since her plea bargain, her plea
00:46:53.060
In any case, I'm not super interested in that, but you paid $40,000 for that program?
00:46:57.240
Well, I paid $15,000 for a year of mentorship with her program.
00:47:03.400
So that basically taught me what they call brave thinking skills.
00:47:08.800
So basically how to actually bring back critical thought and how to become conscious again of
00:47:52.560
So that I know the answer to the question of if you do life coaching.
00:47:57.460
I don't believe that you're being straightforward with your intention.
00:48:08.200
In your opening statement, you mentioned that what you mentioned, there's the colonialism.
00:48:17.400
What specifically did me or Andrew say that indicated that we hate women or that we...
00:48:41.500
And what I've learned is that when I'm welcome, I feel safe.
00:48:53.800
So is there anything else that me or Andrew said or through our conduct that would indicate that was woman hating?
00:49:02.560
I don't think I need to explain why I didn't feel safe.
00:49:17.740
Well, I'd like to ask, do you think that people on the TV can jump out of the TV and hurt you?
00:49:36.020
Yeah, do you think people can jump out of a TV screen and do bad things to you?
00:49:42.380
Because most damage, especially done these days, is psychological and emotional.
00:49:47.740
So feeling safe from your perspective is not just physical.
00:49:54.100
And is it other people's responsibility to make you feel emotionally safe?
00:50:02.960
Okay, so it is other people's responsibility to make you feel emotionally safe?
00:50:07.040
I say when there is not full disclosure of the plan of what's going to be done to me psychologically,
00:50:16.120
then that is the responsibility of the person who's manipulating me.
00:50:20.340
It's really funny that you say that because this actually is just deterring responsibility to the second party, right?
00:50:27.800
Yes, you guys are more powerful than I am as far as damaging me psychologically
00:50:32.640
because we live in a society that has normalized the manipulation of women and their vulnerability emotionally.
00:50:40.940
So I believe that you partook in that same essentially tactic of getting from me what you wanted.
00:50:50.260
Yeah, so I'm going to just like grant a couple things, right?
00:50:55.300
I have to go to the bathroom first and then when I come back you can share.
00:51:02.640
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So, if you want to learn how to think, debate, and craft arguments like Andrew Wilson and like, you know, once a show, like I'll have a good one.
00:52:03.120
Like maybe once or twice a show, I'll have a good one sometimes.
00:52:32.480
Drop us a follow in a Prime sub if you have one.
00:52:34.560
Guys, it's been 18 minutes since we last got Prime.
00:52:51.680
Drop us a follow in a Prime sub if you have one, boys.
00:53:09.340
Well, if you guys were nice, I wouldn't need it.
00:53:23.200
I was just about to tell you exactly what I thought, but then you had to pee.
00:53:30.920
We will get, in future episodes, funnels onto the table for people to, so they don't have
00:53:37.980
So yeah, I mean, I was just about to grant to you, yeah, I don't care about how what I
00:53:44.000
say makes a person emotionally feel if the purpose of the discussion is a disagreement.
00:53:51.140
How you're like, your emotional state from there is totally irrelevant to me.
00:54:07.100
It's the lack of empathy for another's feelings.
00:54:13.160
Do you think that psychopathy is actually a medical psychological condition and that you
00:54:22.440
They can now brain scan you and tell if you have psychopathy.
00:54:26.860
Can you pull up the DSM-5 and show me where it says anything about psychopathy?
00:54:33.880
So how do you categorize what is the psychological condition?
00:54:36.240
You can get a brain scan and your gray matter would show up differently than somebody without
00:54:40.940
First of all, when you're talking about brain scans, that's really brand new tech.
00:54:44.900
That's the same thing as when people say that you can do a brain scan to determine a
00:54:48.320
You really can't because you have human variances and sexuality.
00:54:51.760
The gender is determined more by the hormonal makeup in the body system.
00:54:54.980
The gray matter cannot determine if somebody is a psychopath, but even if it could, psychopathy
00:55:00.060
in and of itself has not even been demonstrated to be harmful to society.
00:55:03.880
Psychopathy in and of itself could be a boon to society.
00:55:07.500
For instance, you may need people who have completely unfeeling dispositions for certain
00:55:15.540
I agree because we are all tools, essentially, of the divine.
00:55:31.920
But I need to ask, just because I don't care what your emotional state is when we're having
00:55:36.380
a discussion about something we disagree on, I don't understand why that would even indicate
00:55:41.480
It's very common for stoic men to not care about the emotional status of a person who refuses
00:55:50.700
Yeah, but now you're conflating two different things.
00:56:00.160
Yeah, but not all abusive people are psychopaths.
00:56:05.080
Yeah, but not all abusive people are narcissists.
00:56:06.900
Some of them are just trauma responding and they overreacted to something.
00:56:14.000
Abuse from you is so broad that it encompasses everything.
00:56:16.980
It encompasses emotional, physical, psychological.
00:56:21.040
It's the calculated degradation of another individual without remorse, feeling, or care.
00:56:31.040
Now, what you saw of me in the last show was me trauma responding.
00:56:34.700
So, I did hurt people's feelings and I said things that were-
00:56:46.080
I could spend a lot of time telling you about it.
00:56:49.200
But isn't it awful convenient to say, when I do it, it's excused.
00:56:52.580
When you do it, it's because you're a psychopath.
00:56:55.220
Well, to be honest with you, you're a predator.
00:57:13.380
You are seeking to show the followers that I am basically not worth living, not worth
00:57:35.700
Let us assume for a second that I had some knowledge.
00:57:42.380
Well, they didn't raise you right, but assume for a second-
00:57:50.640
It's awful abusive of you to cut me off while I'm speaking.
00:58:04.500
I literally don't respect your thought process.
00:58:10.740
If you don't give a shit about me, I don't give a shit about you.
00:58:13.040
You're just going to cut in while we're trying to talk?
00:58:14.720
If you don't give a shit about me, I'm going to show you what it feels like to have somebody
00:58:17.980
not give a shit about you, but I'm not going to gaslight you and pretend
00:58:22.160
I'm just going to tell you I don't give a shit about your type.
00:58:24.320
And then there's a difference between the two of us.
00:58:32.700
You're only here because you abuse your children.
00:58:40.320
I gave you explicit boundaries that you weren't supposed to cross.
00:58:42.940
And I just broke your boundaries because I don't give a shit.
00:59:14.800
Oh, well, I mean, that actually makes more sense.
00:59:17.580
So, look, if you want Andrew to respect the boundaries, you can't be slinging these attacks.
00:59:28.360
He did not say, you can't do this, you can't do that.
00:59:31.220
You said you're responsible for my emotional health.
00:59:34.040
We can put the no button in the middle, and you can use it, too, if you would like.
00:59:55.380
Can I show my ass on camera every time you say no?
00:59:59.980
Because that would violate the terms of service.
01:00:25.260
You don't seem like you're even rational or coherent.
01:00:44.180
Do you literally know what the word literally means?
01:00:45.860
Because it literally doesn't mean what you literally think.
01:00:56.400
So, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
01:01:16.540
So, if they're being lunatic assholes, then I'm a lunatic asshole.
01:02:33.480
What does that have to do with us not wanting for you to show nudity?
01:02:44.320
You don't know what targeting a porn star means?
01:02:47.800
You'd have to explain to me what that even means.
01:02:50.900
Are most of your guests not in the sex industry?
01:02:54.560
No, it's actually we've gone through painstakingly all our episodes to get statistics, age, relationship status, all this stuff.
01:03:06.000
Less than 30% of the guests that we've had on the show are involved in sex work.
01:03:20.160
Do you think we keep track on the clip from this specific person?
01:03:28.400
Our number one most viral moment wasn't a sex worker.
01:03:35.480
And then our most viral moments in general typically aren't have anything to do with sex workers.
01:03:52.920
Yeah, but you're not allowed to sexually assault people.
01:04:06.100
If her wife was here, you wouldn't be on this earth.
01:04:09.960
That's fucking fine, because at least I could handle something in the realm of fucking visual coherence.
01:04:21.660
You just literally tried to sexually assault me.
01:04:24.100
When you come over to me and lift up your whole dress and try to move your ass into my face, that's sexual assault.
01:04:28.920
So when you try to impose your hierarchical ideologies to me, that is energetic assault.
01:04:36.920
Why did my body register the last time I was here with you as a rape?
01:04:58.240
I had to emotionally process the last episode the same way, the same exact way, that I had to emotionally process every single rape that I've experienced.
01:05:33.220
And then he's laughing about affecting a woman feeling emotionally raped by him as if he doesn't give a shit how he affects anybody.
01:05:42.180
Do you usually try to sexually assault people you feel have emotionally done that to you?
01:05:50.300
Desiree, you need to cut Andrew off more and not allow him to speak.
01:05:57.040
You need to frustrate him and not allow him to make a point.
01:06:24.120
Humans can't easily impart knowledge to offspring.
01:07:00.300
basically all the greats, including myself and Jesus,
01:07:04.940
with whom I have quite a spicy relationship with now, wink, wink.
01:07:11.560
Because I talk about, if you actually read my whole book,
01:07:14.700
I talk about that one of my reoccurring fantasies,
01:07:19.320
was basically something that I had tried to repress my whole time of being a Christian
01:07:34.280
And I was always shaming myself and pushing that fantasy away
01:07:39.420
until finally the death of a friend in my arms basically
01:07:50.800
that everything that I thought was true exploded.
01:07:57.480
And I finally started allowing in every part of me,
01:08:03.080
including the dark and the things that I had previously disowned from myself and shamed.
01:08:12.200
And what I realized was that my sexuality wanted to reintegrate with my spirituality.
01:08:21.700
because I was coming out of a Christian ideology,
01:08:24.480
my spirituality at the time was the conceptualization of my creator,
01:08:33.860
And so what I realized was in allowing that fantasy to be alive in my body
01:08:57.140
So Jesus was your boyfriend essentially in your head?
01:09:24.380
So intimate, I would say that it's no longer me running my life.
01:09:40.260
Basically, the antithesis of victim consciousness.
01:09:43.680
Couch underscore hopper underscore outdoors donated $100.
01:09:51.860
Wilson's wife said his second is a 12 tenths also stop crying, you victim.
01:10:01.460
She left a comment that Rachel, his wife Rachel left a comment that it's a great relationship,
01:10:22.760
And apparently she left a comment, so we didn't have to.
01:10:24.780
I mean, actually, if Rachel's, we could have her do a call in a couple of, if she's cool
01:10:37.060
But would you say that Andrew coached her, like coached her, you know?
01:10:44.360
That, like, he's controlling, like, puppet strings?
01:10:56.440
Because she's going to come on and say, Andrew's dope.
01:11:00.660
Well, then, if we already know what she's going to say, and we already know that there
01:11:21.840
So, if you think it's worth it to have her on, we can.
01:11:27.080
I'm simply, I'm deferring to you because you're her leader.
01:11:50.960
Should we do a voice call, or is she set up on Discord?
01:11:54.380
I don't think it would be easy for her to move over to Discord.
01:11:59.300
If you can be a representative of what she would say, and you guys already posed the opposing possibility.
01:12:09.940
You could even just have her question in, or comment in.
01:12:19.120
But I thought that, I thought that that was her response to what I had said.
01:12:23.040
I thought she already made her response, in that you're a 12 out of 10, apparently.
01:12:28.840
Yeah, but I think if you hear it directly from her.
01:12:46.740
Yeah, she just said, read her my text from last night.
01:12:54.180
So we can, we, I, I accept the fact that from Rachel, your wife's perspective, you are a above and beyond husband.
01:13:14.980
We have a sign in my town that says, Jesus comes quickly.
01:13:20.960
This woman lives in an extremely fanatical, fantastical world where objective reality isn't rough.
01:13:35.500
I, I'm not really honestly sure what he's trying to say.
01:13:40.640
The whole fanatical, fantastical world where objective reality doesn't exist, that whole thing?
01:13:48.180
I'm not going to argue with somebody's opinion of me.
01:13:54.240
There's actually, before I get back to one thing, in an email you sent me, you said you
01:13:59.520
have personas like Eminem, Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers, it's a, it's a thing for us genius black
01:14:12.640
Well, you guys weren't that interested in hearing about my, I was interested, I'm, I'm interested.
01:14:29.340
Well, sorry, you were, you said you guys weren't that interested in, in what.
01:14:32.800
Well, so it goes back to my talk about white supremacy and trying to explain that it's an energetic
01:14:39.780
matter, it's an ideology, it's a matter of ideology.
01:14:42.060
Wait, we did want to hear it, but then you hit the, the, the, the no button.
01:14:45.140
Well, because it did not seem that you really wanted to understand, it seemed that you wanted
01:14:50.960
to propagate a particular ideology, and that's exactly what I was trying to talk about, but
01:14:59.940
So I'd like to explain the concept from my worldview so that you understand.
01:15:09.580
Madison, blink twice slowly if you're in danger.
01:15:18.220
So imagine from my perspective, right, that I see that there's a whirlpool and you're in a boat,
01:15:26.660
and everything that goes near this whirlpool gets sucked down, okay?
01:15:30.220
And I say, listen, you're in this boat, but if you go towards that whirlpool, it's going
01:15:36.080
And you go, no, no, no, listen, from my perspective, it's not a whirlpool.
01:15:45.100
And you go, and I think I can just sail right through it.
01:15:47.320
And I go, no, stupid, it's a whirlpool, and you're going to get sucked down into it, and
01:15:52.600
And you go, no, I'm going to do it anyway, and you just go out and you get sucked down the
01:15:59.420
So when somebody says to me, they're like, ah, it's just my ideology, therefore it's
01:16:03.500
just my opinion, and so therefore you trying to say anything about it isn't correct, it's
01:16:09.340
I think it's fine to say, see that vortex there?
01:16:12.020
That makes no, hang on, hang on, I'm almost done, almost done.
01:16:16.580
Okay, so that little whirlpool or whatever that you're about to go down, right?
01:16:34.580
I'm not really interested in being protected by you.
01:16:40.580
Whether or not you're a person who says, I'm going to pour gasoline on myself and light a
01:16:45.000
match because I want to do this, because I want to be immolated and completely cook myself,
01:16:50.360
and I see you going for that match, I'll still stop you anyway.
01:16:55.180
But the damage that you did to me in the last show, if I was not such an emotionally stable
01:17:02.340
person, I would have gone home and killed myself.
01:17:10.160
There's a lot of, I'm not there to protect you.
01:17:14.780
I'm saying that I'm making a comparison to an ideology and saying to you that I'm not going
01:17:19.180
to keep your fragile ideology intact or not destroy the fragile ideology if it's bad,
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because that in some way is going to be emotionally painful.
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It is emotionally painful to shrug off bad ideologies.
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And the more you propagate bad ideology, the more you're going to see your ideology get
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broken over and over and over and over and over and over and over as the leg gets reset
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You said that you, I don't want to reuse the words you precisely used.
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You said that you went home and wanted to harm yourself because of your experience on the show?
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No, I was saying that if I was less emotionally stable, I could see how I would do that.
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When you sexually assault men, couldn't that be the result of that too?
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Couldn't it be the result when you sexually assault men?
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Of course, any woman who's not my wife who in any way tries to put sections of her body
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near me like that in a sexually provocative way is fucking dangerous as hell.
01:18:56.480
Had Andrew done something similar and he like exposed himself?
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That is you literally showing me exactly what you're trying to do.
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When you use psychological tactics and emotional manipulation based off of my trauma responses,
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That is then you trying to manipulate and hurt me.
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Rather than I would literally rather you pull down your pants and put your dick in my face.
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I did not know what I was going to be dealing with in the last show.
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It felt like a manipulation and an emotional rape because I did not know.
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I thought I was literally coming on a dating podcast.
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So I can understand from the perspective of saying that you'd rather see immediate action
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other than what you would consider to be passive aggressive or manipulative.
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I would just rather see, put your cards on the table.
01:19:59.100
Well, so other than manipulative tactics, right?
01:20:04.660
When you're saying manipulative tactics, you're saying you would much rather see somebody be
01:20:12.540
But isn't it also a form of passive aggressive manipulation to say, because I have trauma
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responses to perceive things, you don't know anything about me.
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There was no way for you to ever determine what these trauma responses would be.
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That me just having a normal conversation with you like I would anybody else on this show
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Well, you had disclosed to me that you were not affected emotionally by anybody.
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No, what you said to me was, you said, listen, this isn't a big deal, right?
01:20:50.520
This conversation in this context doesn't matter.
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And if I was a less emotional person, I would have gone home and off myself.
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I was saying if I had less emotional intelligence and tools to process those emotions, I could
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understand with this bullying that people experience, which I had not honestly experienced anything
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I've never experienced anything like that either.
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I never experienced a woman trying to sexually assault me.
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So now at least I feel like we're on the same playing field.
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Yeah, no, it's not the same playing field to physically sexually assault somebody versus
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your perception of guy made argument, which hurt my feelings.
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All I'm trying to do is literally get to the point of, do you want me to get on my knees
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All I want you to do is engage with the arguments.
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Every time I ask you a question about it, I lead to the next, to the next, to the next,
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and I still don't actually get coherent answers.
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So you don't want to tell me what your ideology is?
01:22:38.280
I don't want to tell my brain that you give a shit about understanding me because it's
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Listen, I would not be here if I didn't give a shit about other people's worldviews.
01:23:01.040
How are you a robotics mechanic and you don't have a degree?
01:23:03.060
Because I had an apprenticeship and it's a trade.
01:23:08.900
No, it's not similar to life coaching, let's say.
01:23:24.360
So to me, a trade apprenticeship would be like an applied skill.
01:23:31.360
No, I don't think it's a physical applied skill.
01:23:32.180
So why would you have to go to a trade school to learn how to do it then if it's not a skill
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Aren't you learning a skill to perform a trade that you can monetize?
01:23:48.000
Yeah, but they couldn't, I mean, that would fall under anything, though, right?
01:23:51.600
Anything that you can monetize and you have to learn how to do it, I would call that a
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Okay, well, I mean, if that's your definition, I'll concede to the definition.
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Okay, so I am, so you have no degrees in psychology.
01:24:11.580
So you want me to appeal to your authority, yet you literally have, what, a two-year training
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Let's assume that I, you know what, let's assume this.
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The point is, you're arguing with me about psychology, spirituality, and all of these things
01:24:35.460
that I've literally at least gone to trade schools for, what have you done?
01:24:42.220
Let's say I was a sixth grade dropout and I cleaned carpets for a living and was a coomer
01:24:47.460
on the internet whose wife, who had an open relationship with my wife.
01:24:52.620
In what world would it make me wrong to question the things that you say if you're wrong about
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them, regardless of whatever my degrees were in?
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Because you are questioning my authority as a psychologist, when you're not a psychologist.
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Why do I need to be the thing to question the thing?
01:25:12.420
It's like saying you can't question the medication your doctor gives you unless you're a doctor.
01:25:17.020
Questioning is one thing, but having the condescendence to actually believe that you are right over
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what I am trained to be right in, that's a little crossing a line, I would say.
01:25:35.780
I am actually the authority in everything that you're talking about psychologically and spiritually
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So you need to get yourself in line and question me as a student of those things.
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Grand Inquisitor, have you received the autographed blue-white cup with certificate of authenticity?
01:26:19.500
But anyway, yeah, so by this metric, right, if somebody, let's say, is a boatmaker, right,
01:26:27.400
and they make for you a boat, and you say, hey, it doesn't fucking float, and they go,
01:26:38.480
Nah, I'm not so sure that you can heal anybody's trauma.
01:26:47.540
Well, then why do you keep on talking about how you're fucking traumatized all the time?
01:26:51.340
Because trauma is an ongoing thing that we continually have to process.
01:26:57.500
Yeah, and then I have to process it every night, and that's how I don't continue it on
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Remember, the Bible says don't go asleep, don't fall asleep on your anger?
01:27:06.100
So you're re-traumatized, and then every day you heal yourself of your trauma?
01:27:11.600
Okay, so all of your old traumas that you keep appealing to is being problematic, right?
01:27:20.080
The bigger catastrophic traumas take a little bit more time.
01:27:29.960
Do you want to talk about a specific trauma and how long it took me?
01:27:32.420
So how do you heal your trauma of your divorce?
01:27:51.740
No, what I want to get into is this idea of healing trauma.
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Okay, I created a protocol to explain to you how to do it.
01:28:16.300
Okay, so right here on page 57, my method, processing severe trauma.
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In my relentless study of anthropology, sociology, and the psychology of various individuals, I had come to realize that it was never the actual events, situations, or words spoken that traumatized people, for the most part.
01:29:03.180
Rather, it was their uncontrolled, obsessive mental recalling of the situation than the meaning they assigned to it all that really had the power to either chronically or just acutely traumatize the person.
01:29:16.580
In other words, there was a reason some people were just deeply shaken and grieved by certain things, but then seemed to move on just fine, while others seemed to get stuck, severely traumatized for a lifetime.
01:29:29.160
It had nothing to do with how bad, quote-unquote, the traumatic event was or not.
01:29:34.340
It had to do with how the person felt and then handled it after the fact.
01:29:38.020
As I mentioned previously, I asked the infinite to show me a way to process the loss of Steve and how to get rid of the graphic images from that night so that I wouldn't get PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder, or any other long-term negative effects.
01:29:57.400
Once I asked the question, I started receiving inspired thoughts that ended up being the practical step-by-step solution to this problem.
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I had been trying to help people recover from abuse and other traumas for years and never actually believed it was possible.
01:30:11.920
Up until then, I believed the best people could do was learn to cope with their traumas so they didn't completely ruin their lives.
01:30:18.740
Holding on to that belief created the reality for me by shutting my RAS off, so that's the Recticular Activating System, to any contradictory information, hence a confirmation bias.
01:30:30.560
But now, my mind was unlocked, and I was asking my higher, infinite self better questions and believing there had to be a way.
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This is what was downloaded into my mind from the infinite.
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Place a meaning on the event that feels good, no matter how far you must reach.
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Remember how I told you that the meaning we place on events is very powerful and completely within our power.
01:30:57.500
I decided I would believe that everything had happened exactly as it was supposed to.
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With Steve, my unborn baby, my marriage, my kids, and my old life that had come to an end,
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I also chose to believe this about all the rest of things, including my childhood and being born to my parents in the dysfunctional family.
01:31:20.240
I would believe it all happened as it was supposed to.
01:31:23.180
I would believe that I was an infinite spiritual being who had chosen to incarnate into this human existence
01:31:29.480
because there were things that I wanted to experience that would deepen my understanding and love for myself, for life, and for other souls.
01:31:38.400
I would believe that my willingness to have these experiences and let them deepen me would give me gifts.
01:31:46.080
Yes, I told you, that I would be able to share, and the sharing would feel really good to me.
01:31:53.280
These beliefs, I told you it was only two pages.
01:31:55.960
These beliefs felt good and right and empowering, so I put them in my thought nursery to give them attention.
01:32:06.020
Okay, so Desiree, I don't know, you read the section that's pertinent to the conversation?
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You have to place a meaning on the event that feels good.
01:32:36.720
That is doing everything you can to take the event and pretend it's something other than what the event is.
01:32:45.760
Grab a happy image and put it into the thought nursery.
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Now, if you read my book, you would know what the thought nursery is.
01:32:53.500
Let the better feelings associated with the happy image emerge.
01:32:57.720
Breathe into these better feelings and savor them.
01:33:03.220
So what I would have to do is, so the image was of my friend dead on the table, basically blue, intubated and everything.
01:33:11.620
And they made me go back and see him dead on the table.
01:33:14.460
And his mom wanted me to delay the coroner from taking his body.
01:33:22.020
But anyway, I had to go and see this man who died in my arms first and then they tried to resuscitate him, obviously, and abated him.
01:33:36.420
But I told her, I don't know, he's unconscious.
01:33:41.280
But on her way there, she was begging me to stall the coroner from taking his body because they wanted time for the brother to come and be able to see.
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I don't know why people want to traumatize themselves by doing this.
01:33:52.840
Again, I don't recommend forcing yourself to see your loved one dead.
01:34:01.220
But for a lot of people, they get stuck on those images.
01:34:03.340
For me, I got stuck with him, blue, intubated, dead on the table.
01:34:07.280
Yeah, but that's because people have a disconnection between what is life and what is death.
01:34:10.160
Do you want to hear how I got over that and didn't get PTSD?
01:34:15.140
But before we do, I'd like to stay on this point, right?
01:34:18.980
So people have a huge disconnection from what is life and what is death.
01:34:26.580
And by the way, people used to have to deal with death a lot more.
01:34:29.340
They used to have to deal with dead bodies a lot more, things like this.
01:34:32.000
Because I don't think that it's ingrained to be traumatic, necessarily.
01:34:37.220
It's something that people just don't really have to deal with very much.
01:34:42.860
It always becomes somebody else's dealing with it.
01:34:47.440
But the thing is, is that when you say things like,
01:34:50.200
take this thing that actually happened and put a fun, happy spin on it,
01:34:54.100
so it's something that you remember fondly instead,
01:35:08.120
I was asking how me or Andrew or the show is woman-hating.
01:35:14.100
Because I'm a woman and I've shared a lot with you
01:35:25.080
and it's never been met with any sort of understanding or empathy.
01:35:32.320
and like this weird commitment to not understanding me.
01:35:52.420
So can you, I mean, what's that Aristotle quote about crying?
01:36:02.160
Crying is one of the ways that the body processes the trauma in real time.
01:36:08.160
Or is it a way to appeal to emotion to try to get people onto your side
01:36:12.280
without actually having a strong foundation or position
01:36:15.920
for what you're actually trying to say and argue?
01:36:18.520
That is a way that people who lack genuine empathy,
01:36:22.920
that is a way that they use appeared emotion to manipulate others.
01:36:30.900
Okay, well, I don't see how that has anything to do with a woman hating.
01:37:09.360
I'm just, look, this is, these are words that you said.
01:37:12.880
Okay, well, if you're not comfortable with me crying, I'm going to have to go
01:37:31.200
because some of the things we're talking about makes me cry.
01:37:33.640
If that's fine, I'm still just trying to understand, aside from how you felt,
01:37:43.320
I don't think that you are trying to understand anything.
01:37:48.220
I think that you are trying to bring a point across.
01:37:51.840
So just say what your point is that you would like to prove,
01:37:55.560
and then I can just submit, and we can move on.
01:38:02.340
I'm not really sure if that's what I'm trying to do,
01:38:04.500
but earlier in the show, you said that me and Andrew are woman-hating.
01:38:12.200
So I'm asking you to point to something specific.
01:38:15.980
I keep doing it, and you don't want to accept it.
01:38:20.160
So I don't see the point in continuing the conversation.
01:38:22.760
I told you that I am a woman, and I didn't feel safe,
01:38:29.300
Hence, woman-hating, because I am a representative of woman.
01:38:34.020
Well, so if I'm a man, and I feel uncomfortable in your presence,
01:38:43.440
Would you agree or disagree with that statement?
01:38:48.900
I would validate if that's how I made you feel, at least.
01:39:05.840
If man is taking your form, then yes, there is hatred there.
01:39:11.920
It's you as an ideology coming at me and not inviting me to feel safe in your presence.
01:39:20.560
Didn't you just, so me and Andrew were sitting here.
01:39:33.340
Was it Andrew, or was it me, or was it you, who got out of their seat, came all the way over here, got into our physical space?
01:39:54.700
I invited you to walk over and get into our physical space.
01:40:02.740
I am saying that you didn't give a shit about my personal space emotionally, so I didn't give a shit about your physical space.
01:40:12.820
I gave you a taste of your own medicine, and you didn't like it.
01:40:17.820
So what was the point you were trying to prove?
01:40:20.380
Give you a taste of your own medicine, and so you...
01:40:22.560
What was the medicine which we were dispensing?
01:40:24.860
So you could feel what it feels like to be disrespected.
01:40:26.960
What was the medicine you claim we were dispensing?
01:40:31.080
This conversation, while we disagree, has actually been fairly...
01:40:35.960
I mean, there were times where it got a bit heated, but it's otherwise been fairly calm.
01:40:44.760
In any case, so when it comes to your safety, and this being evidence of woman-hating, we've remained here.
01:40:52.960
While you might disagree with what we say, you got out of your chair, walked around the table.
01:40:58.600
We didn't know if you were going to strike us or what you were going to do.
01:41:06.980
Because it makes me feel more safe to know that maybe I have some sort of power in your presence.
01:41:14.960
You do realize women have capacity for violence?
01:41:25.260
Like, you could have come over here, smacked you in the face.
01:41:31.400
What did you think ThinkComing on Ata podcast debate meant?
01:41:37.580
When you turn police, it equates to you, have nothing to say in the purpose to derail the conversation.
01:41:46.160
So, I guess going back to the, we felt, you felt unsafe in the emotional space.
01:41:52.660
So, you, as retribution, you wanted to make us feel unsafe in the physical space.
01:42:02.480
And, I mean, we didn't know if you were going to try to strike Andrew.
01:42:17.000
So, I wanted you to understand the height of how you guys affect me emotionally and spiritually.
01:42:27.600
So, do you think other forms of, let's, I mean, I would.
01:42:32.660
I would literally rather you punch me in the face.
01:42:39.260
Would you say that, even if I don't categorize what you did specifically as a violent act,
01:42:54.260
We've been through vibrations, colonialism, feminism, scam, black slave souls locked in
01:43:01.100
sexy white bodies, spores, oh, spores, tears, showing ass, riding Jesus D1 CK.
01:43:11.520
Would, if somebody is making you feel unsafe in your mental or emotional space, saying even
01:43:22.060
not categorizing what you did as violence, is violence justified as retribution if somebody
01:43:27.120
makes you feel unsafe, physical violence makes you feel unsafe in the emotional or psychological
01:43:38.240
So, just so I understand this correctly, you would have also been justified to, for example,
01:43:44.060
like, try to physically assault Andrew in that moment also?
01:44:00.580
She is the first to attack people personally, then she cries to gain sympathy.
01:44:07.100
That's why she told you she might harm herself.
01:44:15.160
So, this would be a good moment to, this would be a good moment to shout out debateuniversity.com
01:44:35.340
if you want to become a master debater, like, like Andrew 100% of the time.
01:44:40.620
And, like, sometimes I'm at, like, my 99, like, when I'm parsing and, like, you know,
01:44:49.140
You can also, like, you know, I have my moments, too, you know?
01:44:53.060
I don't know what I'm, I'm just ad-libbing this fucking thing.
01:44:56.660
Guys, debateuniversity.com, verbal combat is the course.
01:45:01.140
We have a, by the way, also, we're going to have a debate tomorrow.
01:45:06.940
We have a debate scheduled for tomorrow around.
01:45:11.420
Once again, sorry for our delay in starting today.
01:45:17.740
Be sure to tune in 4 p.m. tomorrow, debate with Andrew.
01:45:22.280
And, but, yeah, check out the course, debateuniversity.com.
01:45:24.860
Also, go to our Twitch, twitch.tv slash whatever.
01:45:28.920
If you have one, guys, it's been 14 minutes since we last got a Prime.
01:45:46.620
This conversation is, by the way, I have the video from security camera behind me.
01:46:10.500
I mean, I think people should see what happened.
01:46:51.780
Maddie, would you rather be in a force alone with a man or a bear?
01:47:07.320
What are some of the other things we need to get into on this show?
01:47:43.840
Maybe the last part, we can wrap it on potentially a good note.
01:48:49.040
Did you guys ever do the debate with those girls from the last show or no?
01:49:34.540
Is it because I asked about the woman-hating stuff?
01:49:39.100
It's because I'm not respected, and I have a really important job in the world.
01:49:50.920
Do you at least want to sit down briefly and just say goodbye to the?
01:50:01.840
Do you want to say goodbye into the camera or into the mic, I guess?
01:50:29.760
Do you at least want to announce the lawsuit, Desiree?
01:50:47.540
You mean, no, I'm talking about the class action lawsuit that you want to.
01:50:52.600
I don't think I can say those words on YouTube.
01:51:33.960
Well, guys, an hour and an hour and an hour and that fucking broad needs to put the cuckoo
01:52:18.920
Didn't have essayed by Lunatic on my bingo card this morning, Brian.
01:52:27.620
So, guys, we were, I mean, we didn't even really get into it because we were going to get
01:52:32.020
into, she sent, like, DMs upon DMs upon DMs of, like, her positions, legal threats.
01:52:42.220
I mean, you kind of got a glimpse into the madness and chaos.
01:52:47.900
We'll, if you guys want to stick around for a bit, we'll go through the DMs.
01:52:51.860
Nick, were you able to just double check and make sure they're all, everything's all
01:52:55.200
I didn't get to finish going through, so I was, you know.
01:53:02.020
Um, I'm surprised, though, that it was me that I think precipitated the rage quit.
01:53:11.780
It wasn't, well, I mean, I asked her about the woman hating.
01:53:14.440
Andrew was off having a smoke, and she started crying when I asked her about the woman hating.
01:53:20.420
And then that's when she, I mean, look, there's stuff that happened before that, but I'm surprised
01:53:26.440
that that's kind of what, uh, broke the camel, the straw that broke the camel's back.
01:53:53.420
Yeah, she made it very clear that the whole thing has to do with control, so.
01:53:59.740
Well, did you hear the part about how I said that she felt like violence in this scenario
01:54:05.900
in response to our conduct would have been justified?
01:54:10.920
Yeah, she said, yeah, because, I mean, I said, well.
01:54:23.820
These are, you think, it's too bad she wasn't here because she could have put it in her own voice.
01:54:30.060
The DMs we've received from this woman are insane.
01:54:37.460
I know we kind of, when she tried to attack Andrew in that sort of way, we have a security camera footage of it.
01:54:45.920
Just for the stream, though, we had to, like, go to our intro screen just because we didn't know if she was going to, what she was going to do.
01:54:55.100
I'd have to think a little bit about posting it.
01:54:57.220
But if we did post it, we'd put it on my Discord.
01:55:02.660
In any case, she, I can tell you a little bit about what the DMs say.
01:55:08.240
She wants to threaten, she's been threatening me with lawsuits because of the emotional toll the podcast took on her.
01:55:20.140
But she's also simultaneously been flirting with me.
01:55:32.340
She's been saying she wants to have, she wanted to, like, do things to me and Andrew sexually.
01:55:43.940
So, one day she'll be threatening to sue me and that we've psychologically tortured her.
01:55:49.120
And then the next, she is admitting she has a crush on me, essentially, and wants to do things near and around my penis.
01:56:04.580
This lunatics book is only good for shit tickets.
01:56:14.620
Pull up, Nick, just pull up, check that email one first.
01:56:25.340
So, I'm going to come do more of these in person because they're even more fun in person than on video.
01:56:31.060
But if you don't get rid of these fucking seltzers and put some beer in that fridge, Brian.
01:56:35.720
If you don't put some fucking beer in that fridge.
01:57:04.240
Should we ask the, see if those two women can come?
01:57:14.580
I will accept your offer with several added stipulations and requirements.
01:57:18.780
This is to, this was like our offer to get her back on the show.
01:57:24.820
So, it's basically like, so she's, this is her counter offer.
01:57:30.620
Number one, you will sign the consent form I bring you stating you understand I am a
01:57:35.580
mandatory reporter and am by law required to report any and all criminally suspicious
01:57:45.660
Two, you and Andrew will genuinely apologize to me on air before we start the conversation
01:57:51.240
for not properly studying me and then grossly misrepresenting, slandering my expertise in
01:57:57.200
the most misunderstood areas of life and society.
01:58:00.620
Because that could have potentially cost countless lives if people were deceived into thinking
01:58:05.520
I was just a mentally ill old whore when in fact I have made it my life's passionate mission
01:58:11.080
to end human suffering as an actual expert in all necessary fields of study and I finally
01:58:16.800
have the master plan for global restitution, which is nothing to fuck with.
01:58:21.620
Three, you provide me with a meal by the fifth hour on set.
01:58:26.180
I'm allowed to have snacks and drinks with me at any time I want while there.
01:58:31.420
Number three, part two, $300 payment is to be rendered as a booking fee at least 24 hours
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before my scheduled appearance and is not refundable.
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Number four, I'm free to be done talking and excuse myself to go home at any point.
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Number five, I will keep my phone with me during the show.
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Number six, I get to ask you guys as many questions as I want and you can't get mad or
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Number seven, if we make $100,000 from that one episode, we have to promise the fans that
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you and I will run for president and vice president for this year.
01:59:26.420
Number eight, we have to shout each girl out who was on the panel with me last time and give
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their platforms all a tag so people can get in touch with them and we will let the girls
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know that you are willing to pay them whatever they say is fair for their time on the show
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Number nine, we play truth or dare either like 30 minute stint at whatever point you want
01:59:48.940
or we just tell people they can pay $199 to truth or dare any of us at any point.
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Number 10, we offer people 30 minute video chats with me if they donate $500 or more.
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Number 12, $100,000 gets them a you pick the activities with me date.
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15, after this pilot episode, I will get 20% of the profits from each episode I join you
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on in person or intellectual property with my ideas and concepts.
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15, sorry guys, we're cleaning up back here a little bit.
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Let's also get the vacuum too once it's dry I guess.
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I'll, uh, you guys just take care of that, I don't want to be back here.
02:01:06.120
And concepts being brought up and discussed basically if my name is brought up on any show
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Yeah, she said if we apologize, she'll come back.
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After 90 days of successful collaboration, we rebrand the show and add my name in whatever
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Doesn't even have to have my name, but rather it should simply represent the new vibe of the
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If you can agree to all these things and promise to keep your word, I am yours.
02:01:45.360
What was the one about kissing, something about kissing me?
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Uh, it was $199 for you and her to kiss closed mouth, $500 for you guys to kiss, French
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So she's going to come back so long as me and Andrew apologize.
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So the, I think, I don't know if she peed on the couch or it was just a spill.
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On the couch, there's like a wet spot on the couch.
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Me and Andrew, she is going to come back, but the stipulation is, is that we have to apologize.
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We are, we are going, we are going to say sorry.
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For being colonialist, white supremacist, woman-hating.
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And then you're going to go through all these videos with her?
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And then you're going to go through all the stuff with her?
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I made a mess so that Maddie could clean it up because I wanted her to feel like a woman
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Honestly, I haven't felt like a woman today too much, so.
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There's a bunch of, by the way, there's a glass over here.
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I'm kind of concerned that she's going to do something crazy.
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I just happened to glance over Brian doing this exchange.
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And I, I saw in her text message that she said that she shouldn't have to talk to me
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Well, given that she's come today, I'm sure you didn't agree to all of those things.
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And then, and then we came to a determination, which, um, it's, um, sorry, guys, hold tight.
02:05:08.920
Is everybody, is everybody just spooked that Desiree's going to just pop out like a fucking
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Yeah, I don't want to get pepper sprayed today.
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I apologize for the momentary delay here, guys.
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If lawsuit fails, we can probably expect Bad B1 TCH2 continuation.
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That list Maddy's just read will be included in the book as a special supplementary appendix.
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By the way, the book is so short that I was able to read it in about, well, most of it.
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In about 30 minutes, I was able to read both of it.
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Maddy's going to be doing her domestic, her domestic duties.
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There's glass on the floor, so we have to clean it up.
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So we should put the camera on Maddy so you guys can see her vacuuming.
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That's probably more entertaining than just watching two middle-aged just sitting here
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It's just like a bunch of shit happened all at once.
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This chick's going to come back for round two maybe.
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I think she needs to do something about that cord wrap.
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You know, the great thing, though, is due to her height, she's closer to the ground.
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You know, unfortunately, this vacuum is not the top of the line vacuum.
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I'm not saying not one of the top players in the field, Brian.
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I really think you're being a little bit too charitable.
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Well, I'm going to have to reappraise now that I understand that there's a little bit more determination going on here, Brian.
02:10:26.320
Now, Maddie does tend to prefer the back and forth technique.
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Notice, too, the real pros can do this in such a way where it's just one sweep and done.
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But sometimes the way she was doing it, it can be a bit more effective, you know, just going over one spot over and over again instead of kind of doing...
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The vacuum also is not the greatest, so I've got to go back and forth, you know.
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Well, I'm going to have to start the sweep technique at a two.
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Not doing so hot on the last part of the sweep up.
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Now, she absolutely demolished the regional competition when she was competing in the sweep-a-thon and the vacuum pro.
02:12:03.240
I noticed that Nick is using the patented Rachel Wilson technique.
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Where you get right down and scrub the entire floor surface.
02:12:15.140
You know, look, it's her first participation in the domestic duties competition here in the Whatever Podcast.
02:12:23.800
But I think for her first showing, she really did put on quite a show.
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I think she, you know, many years to come, she'll be...
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So we do want to bow our fedoras to her and just...
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But I do comment on how well others can do housework.
02:13:07.440
Wait, I should have probably been checking on Desiree here.
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Also, can Andrew Wilson perform an exorcism live on air?
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All right, do you guys want to get her back now?
02:13:59.140
Well, I'm glad to see a lot of you have stayed.
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I know that, you know, we had the Cleaning Olympics there.
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But, so we will see them coming back through here in just a moment.
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Going into next week, I'll be on the Sunday and then Tuesday show.
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But I do appreciate all of you guys turning out for these episodes.
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Got to admit, that last one, that last Tuesday show, was a fucking great show.
02:14:53.580
Robert Gustavo, he's just no longer, I think he moved.
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He's just not working with us anymore, unfortunately.
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Let me see if there's any chats here I can pull up.
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It'd be interesting to do like a, would you ever do like a pool?
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Like if we did the whatever dating talk show, but it was like a pool edition?
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I don't really want to be around, you know, I am happily married, don't really want to
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I was like trying to kind of like offer up the burkini stream, but it's okay.
02:15:57.620
They're, I guess, trying to, we're getting Desiree back in.
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Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
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Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
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Real-time proof that men are also better than women at cleaning.
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Madison, I expected your commitment to at least match Nick's three out of ten.
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You had to come back anyway, because you left your cup.
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I'll come back and check it once Maddie's here.
02:18:14.760
To be honest, I don't care that much about myself.
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But I have spent my whole life studying a very particular part of life.
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And I'm not willing to let my platform be degraded by somebody who doesn't even have a degree in psychology or anything he's talking about.
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So at least promote yourself as not an expert and me as an expert, at least in this one field that I actually am an expert in.
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And if I can't be respected as the expert in a particular field, which I will shrink down to trauma healing.
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If I can be respected as an expert, an expert in extreme trauma healing, and you're not, if I can be respected as that, at least, then we might be able to have conversations.
02:19:34.480
Can I have you elaborate on what a trauma healer is?
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Because I can help people take the most extreme traumas.
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And I know how to help them transform it into something good and release it from their body in the sense that it no longer causes them suffering.
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Is, and I just want to be clear on this so I understand.
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And the idea of assisting people with what you're calling trouble.
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I was looking for an apology that you exerted yourself as any sort of expert in the field that I'm literally.
02:20:21.660
The way that you are using your linguistics is very degrading.
02:20:35.320
Literally, people are making their choices based off of emotion.
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From crying to normal in .025 seconds, but claims to be genuine.
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Also, coming from a professional in psychology, you do more harm than good.
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Yeah, so let's just, why don't we just, you want to just do the apology and then I can get back into my.
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You know a lot more in the subject of trauma healing than I do.
02:21:11.240
Now, let's move on to a different fucking subject that's actually entertaining to people.
02:21:16.280
Because we've been having the same conversation like over and over and over again in different ways.
02:21:23.100
So let's move on to geopolitics or something else.
02:21:50.860
The fake tears stopped as fast as they started.
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Don't white knight overcome your genetic programming.
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Well, I'm sorry that you have an inability to have an emotional control while we have a conversation.
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I'm sorry that you're about as wise as, you know.
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If I'm going to apologize, you've got to look me in the eyes.
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Being a paid prostitute isn't degrading to this piece of shit.
02:22:51.960
By the way, bimbo, that email proves that you're mentally ill and your children need to be rescued.
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Can you imagine the hubris of somebody who sexually batters you and then demands you apologize to them?
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Can you imagine the hubris of a person like that?
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I'll walk over there and let you guys have a convo.
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I cannot protect myself emotionally from this man.
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It would be your responsibility to protect me emotionally.
02:24:28.840
Do I have your word that you will keep protecting me?
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I have shared a lot of personal information about myself.
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I think you know what is important to me at this point.
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It's not that hard to say, will you protect the things that are important to me?
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But we need to establish boundaries for everybody.
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So when it came to like the topics you didn't want to come up, you went immediately and attacked
02:25:01.320
Because you're making me because you're not protecting me.
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You need to protect me from the ridiculous things that this man is saying.
02:25:52.120
But you waited until I literally felt so unsafe I had to leave.
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I don't know why you guys have to go through this again.
02:26:01.100
It's ironic that she calls herself trauma healer while causing the same trauma herself.
02:26:14.080
In the email you sent me, you said you have the personas like Eminem, Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers.
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And you said it's a thing for us, like the personas thing.
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It's a thing for us, genius, black, ghetto, slave souls inside sexy white bodies.
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I identify as very complex and very misunderstood because of my external appearance.
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I identify more with a Native American construct, yes.
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Just because in the email you said black ghetto slave soul inside sexy white body.
02:27:08.240
Well, if you want to go into how I was raised, I was raised to be a sex slave.
02:27:17.940
Brian, to be honest with you, you don't have the depth of understanding for me to go into that.
02:27:24.000
So let's just skip over that and let's just go to something else.
02:27:44.700
I was trying to come up with playful games that we could play to keep things more light and connecting because those things create a sense of safety for me.
02:27:55.240
And as if we are, even though we might be, you know, disagreeing with each other and having...
02:28:03.660
Those are the types of things that help me feel safe with men.
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Like, I have no problem, you know, having this energy of intellect or competitiveness or egos or things like that.
02:28:22.420
If I don't feel like it's playful, then I take it as a malicious attack.
02:28:26.900
And again, I'm going to repeat, it's not so much about protecting me.
02:28:31.120
It's about protecting my platform that I've worked literally my entire life to master a particular, very particular area.
02:28:45.080
You said for a $200 TTS that we would kiss closed mouth.
02:29:49.640
I need two Bitcoin for, like, French kiss, though.
02:29:57.740
I'll do closed mouth kiss, though, for one Bitcoin.
02:30:09.400
What type of misogynistic podcast did I just tune into?
02:30:13.560
Brian, Andrew, why can you not be men and protect this poor woman from your words?
02:31:10.700
I just wanted to, like, get into the DMs, I guess, because they were kind of interesting.
02:31:17.500
I'm not really interested in discussing our private conversations.
02:31:20.660
Let's move on to social commentary or other things like that.
02:31:28.940
Well, I mean, you were also threatening me with filing a lawsuit.
02:31:33.400
It was a court-mediated process that I have to take.
02:31:38.220
No, you said you would go file a class action lawsuit against me.
02:31:42.360
If this wasn't going to be a restitution show, because I'm now in a custody situation because
02:31:48.200
Yeah, but you said you got 100% custody because of it.
02:31:51.660
Well, I had to take 100% custody because after that situation, my ex escalated in his...
02:32:13.580
Andrew, please call up the Santa Barbara PD and report the SA charge.
02:32:20.920
Okay, but I'm not going to do that if you apologize.
02:32:43.840
But you said that that was an unacceptable apology.
02:32:46.560
Well, you reap what you sow, so I'm not going to give you a more sincere apology than you.
02:32:49.620
Well, then if we're doing you reap as you sow, and you don't want me to move over to Christian ethics,
02:32:54.640
where I usually don't do eye for an eye, and I'm usually a pretty forgiving person, just let things go.
02:33:01.440
I'm sorry that I put my beautiful ass in your lap.
02:33:06.300
I'm really sorry that that made you uncomfortable.
02:33:11.360
Please call CPS and take her children away from her.
02:33:14.760
They should play this entire podcast to the judge when deciding custody.
02:33:19.620
I just left you a one-star review on Amazon for her book, Everyone Do It.
02:33:29.520
So, the thing is, that's remarkably actually unhelpful in all ways.
02:33:33.880
The thing is, is I would like to get into you in a social theory that I have,
02:33:37.780
and I'd like to explain it to you and get your takes, because you are the expert.
02:33:40.760
Have you ever heard of what's called magic pussy theory?
02:33:46.700
This is considered a highly chauvinistic, I suppose, theory.
02:33:52.040
But, essentially, if a woman cannot control you through sexuality, they move to manipulation.
02:33:56.380
If they can't control you through manipulation, they move over to empathy.
02:34:03.560
That would be a mechanism of a sociopathic female, yes.
02:34:08.660
But, haven't you demonstrated all of those traits today?
02:34:12.400
I would say I had to cycle through the toxic version of those things,
02:34:16.960
and I arrived back on a genuine presentation of femininity.
02:34:25.360
I have just been simply responding to your toxic masculinity that you've been putting on me.
02:34:30.780
So, I've been trauma-responding with toxic femininity, yes.
02:34:36.320
So, then you were acting in a way which you considered to be sociopathic?
02:34:40.620
No, because I wasn't being manipulative with my emotions.
02:34:43.580
But, I will admit to intentional aggression against you, yes.
02:34:48.400
But, my crying and when you touched points of me that made me cry,
02:34:54.100
I wasn't trying to invoke any sort of empathy in you, as clearly you don't have any,
02:34:58.020
and you've stated that many times, and you don't care how I feel.
02:35:02.820
That was just me trying to literally, in real time, process my own trauma
02:35:13.780
And I would agree with you, too, that empathy is important.
02:35:17.360
But, you would have to agree with me that sometimes people will utilize empathy as a weapon...
02:35:24.240
...in order to get you to respond a certain way through manipulation.
02:35:27.220
So, when you say, well, wait a second, Andrew, respond to me this way, right?
02:35:32.740
And I'm going to present myself this way, which looks very manipulative,
02:35:37.760
and then say, well, wait a second, you're not responding with empathy,
02:35:41.580
so therefore you're a sociopath, something like this.
02:35:54.780
Whatever you need me to say to move along with the conversation, I consent so we can move along.
02:36:02.880
Okay, so you're just going to admit, then, that you've been being extremely manipulative this entire time?
02:36:23.700
This would have been a totally, really, a really productive conversation.
02:36:26.400
You should go back and look at all of the debates I've done on here, one-on-one.
02:36:30.960
And they've really gone places, which are good places to go.
02:36:41.100
Because I still think perhaps I can get to some kind of worldview, which we can discuss.
02:36:50.400
But if you're just going to obstruct every time we get somewhere, which is productive because you might have to take responsibility,
02:36:58.460
So, I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't, because...
02:37:04.660
If you're damned if you refuse to engage, right?
02:37:30.780
I just, you know, I want to get into the aspects because you're kind of a master, right?
02:37:35.980
Doesn't it even stand to reason that if you're a master in psychology and you are an expert in psychology,
02:37:41.320
that you would also be an expert in employing manipulation tactics and psychological tricks
02:37:45.820
in order to get people to empathize with your position?
02:37:50.360
So, I mean, if that's true, there's no reason for me to assume that you haven't been doing that.
02:37:57.820
Well, I suppose also to Angie's point, there's been multiple times throughout the conversation
02:38:01.780
where we were talking about the white supremacy stuff, we were talking about your accusations
02:38:07.760
of woman-hating, and instead of engaging, you would just be like, nope, not talking about
02:38:20.160
I'm trying to keep my nervous system regulated so I can keep having a conversation without crying.
02:38:31.040
I know that you can't always explain this, but what is the motivation behind the crying?
02:38:37.600
It's because my heart feels broken in certain moments, and that's all I know how to move
02:38:51.660
If I try to hold on to it, it turns into something ugly.
02:38:55.740
So, crying is actually a protective measure to keep me from attacking you in a way that
02:39:06.180
I would rather just take in the pain, release it, and then see if I can regather myself to
02:39:16.720
continue the conversation or see if it's just done and I just need to leave.
02:39:20.900
Well, I think we can continue the conversation.
02:39:23.720
Maybe we can get in a place where both of us have some common ground, right?
02:39:39.620
Well, I don't even want to get into their ages, and there's reasons why, but because I
02:39:43.180
have people who are not good people who will weaponize...
02:39:49.520
Yeah, I've never weaponized your kids against you, ever.
02:39:51.280
No, I'm saying, though, but that is what happened because of the last show, and that's why I'm
02:39:59.300
Because my kids got weaponized because of the show.
02:40:03.660
I'm not saying that you are, but I am saying that the places that you're leading me are subjecting
02:40:14.060
me and thus my mothering to things that are very traumatic for my children.
02:40:26.260
And I see the allowance of comments coming in still about my children, about CPS, about
02:40:34.080
child abuse, about me being an abuser, and I explicitly asked...
02:40:39.120
I understand that, but I am actually in an active case because of this exact thing.
02:40:58.420
If you're going to be a public figure, you're going to risk offense, and if you risk offense,
02:41:03.340
sometimes crazy people are going to do bad things to you.
02:41:06.600
My criticism is that I did not know that that's what I was getting myself into when I came to
02:41:14.320
I did not know that that's what I was getting myself into.
02:41:17.720
I was under the impression that I was coming to a dating podcast just to discuss amongst
02:41:24.880
other people what's going on in the dating world.
02:41:30.400
Why would you assume that people would be less likely to have strong emotional opinions
02:41:39.640
People have strong emotional opinions about everything from politics to dating to interpersonal
02:41:50.300
And if you don't have right think, there's always going to be people who disagree with
02:41:55.940
I feel as if the explicit animosity towards me as a mother and my children was very extreme.
02:42:06.940
But you're the ones that allow the comments or not.
02:42:12.080
You remind people that there are certain trigger things and things that are so toxic you don't
02:42:18.100
So therefore, I know you have a censoring process, yet you're still letting these comments come
02:42:24.940
So what happens is keywords, which would affect the algorithm, get censored.
02:42:29.600
That's what he's talking about with toxic comments.
02:42:33.200
So you notice how comments are coming through that have particular slurs, which are quite
02:42:39.700
But saying generalized statements like, oh, I think this woman is a bad mother, you can't
02:42:47.160
If you're going to put yourself on the internet at all and put yourself as a public figure,
02:42:50.800
you are going to risk offending people and they are going to...
02:42:54.580
Sometimes you're going to have bad actors who will do horrible things.
02:42:58.300
I tend to try my hardest to ignore that myself because I've had people do fucking horrible
02:43:09.800
Even my haters, I don't even hold them responsible because most of my haters aren't so insane that
02:43:19.400
You are responsible for yourself and what happened on the last show.
02:43:29.360
Did you not research the show before you came on the first time?
02:43:41.560
So this is your very first message to us requesting to be on the show back May 30th of 2024.
02:43:49.400
You're going to have to put this in the corner.
02:44:06.500
A friend referred me to you guys to join your podcast for a very interesting episode on
02:44:11.460
how I basically solved all of world problems simply by flipping the script of the patriarchy
02:44:16.500
and going back to a system where women do the choosing.
02:44:20.220
I am a savant, social scientist, OnlyFans model, and a good old American made single mom
02:44:27.080
of three trying to get my bills paid out here in a man's world.
02:44:29.780
So I could really use some exposure to bring in money, and it's just a super interesting topic
02:44:34.320
that I could go on about as it's near and dear to my heart.
02:44:42.300
So that's what I thought that I would be discussing.
02:44:56.940
Well, we have a panel of people who will provide pre-show notes.
02:45:02.000
Some of the topics that they request to speak on, if it's pertinent to the theme of our show,
02:45:09.420
We did bring up quite a bit of some of the things you discussed.
02:45:13.300
Were you under the impression it was going to be a one-on-one interview?
02:45:23.960
I honestly didn't know anything about the show, and I do take responsibility.
02:45:29.200
On the very Instagram that you sent us a DM to requesting to be on the show,
02:45:37.540
There are clips indicating that it's a panel show.
02:45:50.860
Anybody can click the first link, go directly to the YouTube channel.
02:45:54.780
At the very top, it's going to show the full live streams.
02:46:05.300
Right, but you cannot then blame, you cannot shift the blame on us that you felt like you
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I mean, I don't remember the, it was a seven or eight hour show.
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I don't remember everything that was talked about.
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Well, she was able to, you did bring up the idea of patriarchy, the reversal, how you're
02:46:47.040
You brought up a ton of very interesting psychological ideas.
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It just seems to me like every time you were challenged on them.
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So what it looks like from my perspective is that I don't mind talking about these ideas.
02:47:02.240
I think that it's fun to talk about ideas like that, but I have noticed this trend and
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pattern of women who, if their ideas get challenged, they get really upset to the point where they
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begin to think that they are personally being attacked rather than the idea they're espousing.
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And they can't make the delineation between the two.
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The idea, which I'm saying, and the me, which one is actually being attacked here.
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And I think it's fine to attack ideas without personally attacking the person.
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Do you understand that men and women are not built the same?
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So a lot of the problem is I wasn't even designed to have a debate with you.
02:47:50.400
Were you designed to pick the government, which is going to rule people?
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So then women probably shouldn't participate in any of those avenues, right?
02:48:06.360
I do not believe that divine humanity was made to have a government.
02:48:12.060
I don't believe that American governmental structure is divine.
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But I guess kind of the point and core here is if you think that men and women are different, I agree.
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Now, the thing is that men no longer protect women.
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But let me finish my point and then I'll back to you.
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If it is true that you think that women are different than men, and I agree that they are, and that women aren't even equipped to have their ideas challenged, they're not actually even equipped to have their ideas challenged, why in the fucking world would we ever let them lead a dog down the street?
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We were not designed to have a man who does not love and respect us.
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So, for example, you don't know me from anybody.
02:49:10.400
You don't have any depth of understanding of who I am as a being.
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So, therefore, I wasn't made to hold you accountable or you weren't made to hold me accountable.
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Your own wife should be holding you accountable and putting you in your place if you need that.
02:49:26.080
Just like my own, the men that know me in my life that, let's just say we have a soul connection, those were the only men that I was designed.
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She wasn't designed to admit when she is wrong.
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She can't take an L and admit fault and will lash out.
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Put a 1 in the chat if you think her children should be taken away.
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We don't condone some of the messages that are coming through, by the way.
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We're not operating in a world right now that is going by the rules of divine humanity.
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So, I am simply a woman trying to survive this.
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But I'm also saying that all the actions that you take are interconnected with the actions of the rest of humanity, which do affect my life.
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And so, if you say to me, like, look, Andrew, there needs to be an interpersonal relationship for correction.
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But there is an interpersonal relationship for correction because, unfortunately, the millions who think like you affect me.
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Whether I like it or not, they still affect my life.
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Yeah, but the thing is, is that women have political power.
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Or are they just masculine embodiments in a vagina?
02:51:09.040
If they believe that having any of their worldviews challenged, any of their worldviews challenged, is an assault on them because their feelings must be validated instead of the idea.
02:51:26.980
That seems to be more in line with how women think than men think by your own admission.
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So, if that's true, why are we allowing them to ever have a say against men who don't think that way?
02:51:36.580
Well, because there has to be this dance between the emotional part of being human and the structural or logical part of being human.
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And so, men and women were designed to offer this flow with each other.
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Okay, that's why feminine energy or women, that's why we have this magnetism to us that men crave.
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Because we're so good at channeling the emotions of everything that's going on around us.
02:52:14.520
I don't believe that she has an active custody case.
02:52:18.280
She's under so many multiple layers of manipulation that I believe she would come here and, like just about it, prevent people from reporting her.
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Even if you thought she was the worst person on planet Earth, it still wouldn't be a good idea.
02:52:39.140
If you take kids from anybody's home, even if you were able to do it, they almost always have worse outcomes.
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Even if you left them in a home, which was abusive, they still almost always have worse outcomes.
02:52:55.700
It's a bad look for the show in general anyway.
02:53:03.560
I'm literally just here to discuss the things in your head.
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Just the things that are inside of your noodle.
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And so that's why I started the entirety of our conversation saying,
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look, I want to tell you what my worldview is and get yours so that you understand what's in here and then I understand what's up there.
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And then from there, we can have some kind of conversation about those things.
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I agree with you, for instance, that most people make decisions, even men, general decisions based on emotion.
02:53:37.860
I'm not getting the blue truck because the blue gives some type of like extra sealant or something.
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Will it affect my logical decision making when I buy a truck?
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Would I get some feature on, you know, that that truck wouldn't have?
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Like maybe it's lug nuts or not the ones I wanted and I will kind of sacrifice that pragmatic thing for this emotional thing?
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There's emotion to the things that men do and the things that women do.
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However, you still have to be able to make a disassociation between the two when you're making decisions.
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For instance, if it was the case that I could not get the truck, but only almost everything I wanted except it in blue, I would take that.
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And so I feel like the distinction here is maybe you wouldn't.
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That's correct, because I guess I don't care about how something looks on paper.
02:54:52.560
I care about how it feels emotionally to me to live with that decision day in and day out.
02:54:59.320
So if, for example, we're talking about the car situation, I've done this before.
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I have picked cars like one car on paper has better stats, but the color of the other one is so pretty, it makes me so happy.
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So, of course, I'm not making a huge downgrade.
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Like I'm not buying a lemon versus a certified.
02:55:20.860
But if it comes down to like two certified vehicles, that's what I wanted anyway.
02:55:28.460
But the color of this one, we do make those decisions.
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To be honest with you, as a woman at this point in life, that's how I want to live my life now, because that's what feels good.
02:55:42.320
I've done all the things that I was supposed to do.
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And what I found was that wasn't creating a sense of aliveness in me.
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She was mentally ill and you bring her on anyway.
02:56:01.180
Brian, you think it's a coincidence your audience and chat is so vile?
02:56:06.740
So to answer your question, BBB, basically every woman that I see in modernity is mentally ill.
02:56:17.460
I mean, I think I, there was a point in my life where I operated more with my logical structures.
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But like I said, especially becoming a mother and dealing with the gray areas.
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Before I had my kids, I thought I had everything figured out.
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You do these certain things, you get this certain outcome.
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But what I found in just getting older and having perspective, different perspective, is I started learning.
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And so I started leaning more towards following that internal guidance system.
02:57:05.060
That gut feeling, that sparkle, that pizzazz, that I started allowing my emotions to thaw out, is what my therapist would say.
02:57:16.320
Because I always was experiencing myself as very stoic, monotone, they would say with my autism, that was the presentation of a monotone.
02:57:25.600
Like I did not have such a dynamic presentation or personality because I was so afraid of showing or following my heart, following my emotions.
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Because I had been taught that the logical mind was more important than the physical experience of the body.
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And all I have discovered is that it's at least equal.
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Because the body doesn't lie, but the mind does.
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Have you ever been with a man and he's given you butterflies?
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How did you get an attachment trauma before you ever got attached?
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Well, absent this, you understand most women do report a feeling of butterflies.
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That is literally a chemical reaction in your body.
02:59:00.780
Well, then your heart's just a chemical reaction in your body.
02:59:03.600
The chemical reaction is coming from different structures in your body.
02:59:15.160
Okay, and your body, skin, everything has an electromagnetic frequency as well.
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But having a frequency for a thing does not mean that the thing which is introducing into
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It's actually the story that we tell ourselves that is creating the emotional response.
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So those women who are letting themselves have that emotional response of butterflies,
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that you're calling it, that's actually them telling themselves the story that they have
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It's the story that their logical mind is telling their body.
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If it was purely logical, right, then their heart couldn't lie to their mind.
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You could not make, what you're saying is actually unreasonable or irrational.
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You're saying their rational brain is creating irrationality.
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The study of neuropsychology has nothing to do with the study of philosophy.
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Have you ever heard of the philosophy of science?
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The philosophy of science is still a grounding foundation for scientific principles.
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And so what I'm saying to you is that things still have to be rational, even in science.
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That's what the scientific process and the method is, is it's a methodology,
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which is a rational method to come up to empirical answers.
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It's not necessarily rational so much as it is repeatable, repeatable with an equation.
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But even that, what you just said, is rational.
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But it doesn't always make logical sense, the outcome of the equation.
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The outcome may not, but the process to determine the outcome always does.
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I just have, I just don't want the word rational to be taken out of context and spend into something that it's not.
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Well, I'm not trying, I'm trying, I guess what I'm trying to get at.
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I feel like a lot of the physics of how the universe works is very mystical.
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It's very like, what the fuck, how does that work?
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But what I was getting at, what I'm driving here is from my worldview,
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and the reason I was trying to give you mine earlier so that you understood,
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When you say, when you say this, and this is how we would describe it from my worldview.
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When you say that the rational brain, the reasonable brain, should be rejected in lieu of the emotional mind,
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And that you focus on that emotional mind because it makes you happy.
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This is the equivalency to me of pure hedonism.
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And what that does is it subtracts this big element that I do care about.
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I wouldn't care, for instance, if you went to a desert island and you're like,
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I'm going to be fucking hedonistic and do blah, I wouldn't give a flying fuck, right?
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My problem comes in when emotion becomes collectivized, especially in women,
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And then that begins to sway society or move society in a way which causes significant problems
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to people who do value what is rational and reasonable.
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Well, I mean, let's take, for instance, the inequality in the courts between men and women
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when it comes to custody, when it comes to women initiating most divorces.
03:02:44.180
And the reasoning that they put behind initiating most of the divorces has nothing to do with the fact
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that they were being abused or that they were being cheated on, but that they have irreconcilable differences.
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In other words, they don't feel those butterflies anymore.
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Now we have kids who are brought into the equation.
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Let me finish, and I'll let you respond, I promise.
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Now we have kids brought in the equation in these relationships,
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and then what ends up happening is mommy, because she doesn't feel the butterflies anymore,
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leaves dad for Chuck down the road who gives her the butterflies.
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But now we have these groups of kids growing up in a broken home.
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When it becomes one million families, it becomes a big fucking problem.
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What did the man do that gave her the butterflies in the first place?
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Sometimes women know within two, three minutes that they're extremely attracted to a man
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Yeah, you keep saying that, but it's pretty loaded.
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It seems like you kind of think everything is trauma.
03:03:51.840
I think when you say trauma, I think you would...
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Even if you had an expertise, it wouldn't make you correct.
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Because you have a degree, I'm not sure you're an expert.
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I would not make the claim that you're an expert because you have a degree.
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Do you just make the claim that people are experts because they have degrees?
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You get a couple degrees in something and you are at least more expert than the person
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Saying you have no education on a subject, that's not the same as a degree.
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Like, there's a lot that I understand about psychology that I've studied that doesn't
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We're not going to come to an agreement when you're throwing me bullshit.
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I have a degree in psychology, so I'm an expert.
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Does it make you an expert to have a degree, yes or no?
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What makes me an expert is the fact that I got the logical knowledge, and then I went
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Ryan, Andrew, and team can't believe you're enduring this unstable woman better than the
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I can't imagine what her ex had went through with this manipulative, toxic woman.
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Lol, my sister has a psych degree from UCI, and she is a moron.
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She tells me she just memorized random facts and wrote papers for class and is now working
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I just want to know the answer to that question.
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Do you believe that a person is an expert just because they have a degree?
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Okay, well, then you continuously bringing up that you're an expert because you have a
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Because you do not respect my actual knowledge or experience on this subject.
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Like, I think it's been a while, right, since we've seen LP?
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It was so productive there for a few minutes, too.
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You mentioned you're going to sick your contact in the FBI on me.
03:07:09.540
Do you want me to put, are you, at the front of that?
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Yeah, let's just assume it was a question, then.
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Okay, in messages, you said that you have an FBI contact, and they're going to investigate
03:07:36.240
I mean, I actually don't have a paper in front of me, but.
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Bimbo, you're not an expert just because you have a couple thousand dollar piece of toilet
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You're indoctrinated to believe the bullshit that you spew.
03:07:53.740
Yes, I don't really have it in front of me now, but there were some messages that you
03:08:03.160
Okay, but I'm asking you now, like, how do you come to the conclusion that the show
03:08:13.840
It's not, it's not something that I am comfortable with talking on camera.
03:08:27.840
Well, hold on, but when you're threatening legal action, legal action will entail that
03:08:34.960
Well, at that point, at that point, it will be discussed publicly then.
03:08:40.980
Well, I mean, if you're threatening legal action, I think it's going to be public eventually.
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I don't see what, I can't even imagine in what, in what way this podcast could be deemed
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I detailed, I detailed the explanation in my extensive messages with you.
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You can just state in your own words what your specific...
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You can't just throw out an accusation and not be prepared to defend it.
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I gave you personally, person to person, as a civil matter, the claim.
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If you want to take a minute and find that, you're welcome to.
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But I am not prepared to discuss that on camera, live, in this context.
03:09:56.500
I mean, it's not really helpful for the sake of the conversation, but...
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Okay, well, that's a separate conversation, the whole terrorism thing.
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You said you're building a legal case against me?
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I just told you that it is detailed in my extensive messaging to you.
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I don't feel inclined to, like, parse through your, like, incoherent rambling on Instagram.
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Instead of, like, making us do this extra work to, like, go through all the messages,
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Because my tummy feels very tense and tight when you ask me that.
03:11:05.460
Uh, well, my tummy feels very tense and tight when people threaten frivolous and vexatious legal action.
03:11:53.940
Well, I would imagine if you went to an attorney and said,
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Because maybe you're just imagining all these scenarios in which you think you can sue me.
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You're going to think whatever you want to think.
03:12:27.260
Do you know what the purpose of a conversation is?
03:12:30.720
Well, in my day, it was so you could gain perspective into another person's thought process.
03:12:40.480
But in the new generation, it's really just so you can pick apart somebody's mind
03:12:58.260
So, you're fine with us pulling up the chats then?
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Even though I feel like I'm being more, am I being more polite than Andrew?
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Not to say you're being whatever, but she seems to actually be somewhat able to engage
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But every single thing I've brought up totally stonewalls me.
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Every single thing I've brought up just refuses to actually have a conversation about it.
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You've got to learn how to talk to obstinate women, Brian.
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And then three, that you can emotionally jar an answer.
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We have Jeff Bader, electrical engineer here in my industry.
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You need decades of problem solving to be an expert.
03:14:15.400
What's really funny is when you get somebody who has worked in an engineer in one field
03:14:21.140
for a long time and then moves over to another field and realizes how little they fucking
03:14:29.860
But engineers know this and tradesmen know this.
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You may not like what he says, but his heart is in the right place.
03:14:54.280
He wants to see the world improve for the better.
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Thank you for the gifted 10 subs over there on Twitch.
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Justin, thank you for the gifted subs on Twitch.
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If you're watching on YouTube, just open up another tab.
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Isn't this just bullying someone struggling with mental illness and potentially substance abuse issues?
03:16:28.760
I mean, I don't think you have substance abuse issues.
03:16:35.800
I mean, you had a shot with Andrew before the show, but.
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I do my weed and, yeah, some, I have my cocktails here and there or a shot or something.
03:16:44.000
Yeah, they had a nice little clink shot before the show.
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Okay, well, I mean, if you don't want to discuss that.
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I mean, you're welcome to read it if you wanted to read it.
03:17:01.260
Well, I could read it, but if you don't want to actually, like, engage.
03:17:07.440
Well, it's not a, you do realize lawsuits are a private matter, correct?
03:17:14.740
Andrew, I'd like to push back on the foster kids having worse outcomes.
03:17:19.320
The kids being removed are already suffering from the worst abuse before the state takes action.
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This was a couple years ago for a debate that I was prepping for.
03:17:34.520
And I actually interviewed somebody who was in, that's what they, that's what they did.
03:17:40.480
And oftentimes, when foster care, their rates of being unalive, for instance, things like that, or being S8, are way higher than even if you left them in an abusive home.
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Which, by the way, this has not been established that this home is even abusive.
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So, you're going, I think you're going above and beyond.
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The heart of this conversation is to get into the worldview, the ideas, not for you to, you know, to, it's not a call to action.
03:18:19.120
Okay, so, you don't want to talk about any of this stuff, really.
03:18:30.900
I mean, maybe we can come back to the thing that we were trying to get a clear answer on kind of before.
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Again, I would like to ask, how is the show, or how are me and Andrew, woman-hating?
03:18:49.120
How was your relationship with your mother early on?
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Because it would tell us exactly where your wounding around the feminine would be.
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She says, I'm the handsomest in the whole world.
03:19:22.780
Do you think if somebody is mean to a woman, it necessarily means that they're doing it because they are a woman?
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Or can you just be mean to somebody for a wide variety of reasons?
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But what I have observed is that the feminine, what is feminine?
03:19:46.460
The vulnerability, the emotionality, the feeling part that we were discussing.
03:19:55.460
I believe that that's really, really heavily under attack right now.
03:19:59.480
So whether it's coming from a male body to a female or it's coming from a female body to a female, there is this general ideology, again, that logic and egoical thought constructs trump the humanity of our body.
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Messy underscore is underscore the underscore goat donated $100.
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Can all of you say one thing you're grateful for so far this year?
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Brainyore, I appreciate the way you explain things.
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I'm grateful for Rachel Wilson's book, Occult Feminism, Amazon.
03:21:18.400
Yeah, so I would say I'm grateful for the same thing I'm always grateful for every year, which is that I have a family that loves me.
03:21:26.860
It's like that's wealth beyond, that's just wealth beyond any measure.
03:21:30.680
I am also grateful for Nick signing a contract with me that he will perpetually, in perpetuity, work for the whatever podcast.
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Oh my God, I just noticed that I have this guy behind me.
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I am grateful for Nick being dope, and also Madison for being super dope.
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Are you grateful that you made it on the whatever podcast this year?
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Well, there's part of me that has had a really hard time with it, to be honest.
03:22:21.080
I, like I said, had, I had no idea, to be honest with you, that these online platforms were even, I mean, I have heard in theory what's going on.
03:22:32.260
But I had never taken part, but I have to say, all that to say, you guys basically, because of everything that was brought up, saved my children from a really bad situation that I have been waiting out for five years, to the point where enough surfaced, and my kids got old enough to speak.
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And be heard that they got saved from their dad.
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And because of his stupidity, and him following along with the thought process of a lot of these people that are speaking out of tune about what is abuse and all of that,
03:23:36.340
Well, I mean, then you should be, shouldn't you be showing them all gratitude and thank you?
03:23:39.740
Yeah, so that's what I'm thankful for, and that's why I brought it up, is I'm thankful, that is my biggest...
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And that's why I came back, despite it being an extremely uncomfortable situation for me, and I'm doing my best.
03:23:56.520
Yeah, I feel like we're making it pretty easy for you, honestly.
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And I'm even going to agree with you on something else, when you say that femininity is under attack, right?
03:24:06.800
I just don't think that we agree on what femininity is.
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Do you think that promiscuity is part of femininity?
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That's the wild, like, slut energy, and that is a protective measure that is primarily feminine.
03:24:25.580
Because you have to understand that if a male body was designed to serve and protect, that means that there's a lot of death, right?
03:24:37.720
Because we're getting to, you could say, a more physically humane era in society, where most guys are having a life expectancy, right?
03:24:52.980
They're seeing their kids be raised and all that.
03:24:56.480
So a woman biologically had to come in with the ability to quickly shift between this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy to survive, literally.
03:25:08.100
Well, I understand that from the purpose of mate selection, that women can move from, okay, I was with a guy for a long time, met another good guy, right?
03:25:19.520
I'm not sure that that really resonates with promiscuity, though.
03:25:22.520
When I'm talking about promiscuity, I'm talking about moving between sexual partners fluidly for the purpose of just self-interest and hedonism.
03:25:39.800
And not, like, for instance, a contrast would be chastity.
03:25:42.380
When I think of feet of women and I think of qualities that I consider feminine, when I think of, like, chaste and kind and this and that, I put those together to kind of make the image in my head of what a woman is.
03:25:56.140
I don't think, like, powerful panther sex energy.
03:26:01.880
Well, that's because you're coming from a Christian ideology.
03:26:08.100
I've had shakes in the faith, things like this.
03:26:10.160
And when I was in my early 20s, there's no fucking angel, right?
03:26:19.040
So the thing is, is, like, I still have eyes and I still engage with the world.
03:26:23.680
And I can tell, even by talking with atheists and men all over the world, when they are creating an image of a woman, they think of kindness, nurturing, chastity, almost in a way purity.
03:26:36.840
Well, because they're thinking of how they're thinking of their mothers.
03:26:40.160
So the thing is, is, like, well, I don't know if I would say exactly that, but I'm just going to kind of grant it because I think it helps the conversation out.
03:26:50.120
But if they are, right, most people are not going to want to, men or women, envision their mother moving fluidly between sexual partners, right?
03:26:59.900
Well, that's why the sex falls off and women get bored of the men because you guys are trained to look for your mother.
03:27:07.220
But actually what keeps your bodies happy sexually is the slut.
03:27:11.560
So essentially you all are looking for the unicorn who can embody the mother and the slut energy for you inside the container of your relationship.
03:27:20.480
I'm not sure that your wife sexually gratifying you would be slutty.
03:27:25.680
So my background was I spent 15 years in the church doing a lot of counseling.
03:27:48.840
So you believed in the Holy Trinity, Father God.
03:27:53.700
So the reality was almost universally I observed a pattern going on in the church.
03:28:06.320
Now, I was part of the Southern Baptist denomination as far as educationally and where I actually went to worship.
03:28:13.420
But I went to many, many different denominations and ministries.
03:28:17.720
I traveled cross-culturally to Europe and things like that doing missionary work with the goal of what is going on with the women and the marriages.
03:28:30.440
Because universally, almost across the board, the census was women were not enjoying sex.
03:28:40.800
So I can think of literally one, maybe two women in all my years of ministry and literally serving the women, even the pastor's wives, everything.
03:29:04.260
Because I've heard this argument many, many times from various, well, various women.
03:29:10.820
You don't usually hear it from high-level male clergy.
03:29:15.180
And usually women will say, well, of course not, right?
03:29:19.020
But what we do have is we have some pretty interesting statistics.
03:29:21.840
So if you get married a virgin, if you get married a virgin as a woman and as a man, your marriage ends up lasting way longer than any other demographic in society.
03:29:39.360
When asked about sexual satisfaction, those couples report the highest level of sexual satisfaction.
03:29:44.500
Now, the reason behind this, right, kind of like the reasoning that people think that this is so, is because the women have nothing to compare it to, and neither do the men.
03:29:59.840
If that's the only sex you've ever had, it's always going to be good.
03:30:03.180
What's interesting about that, though, is there's so many women who get upset about that, that these women aren't going out and experiencing tons of sexual partners,
03:30:11.840
even though by them not doing that, they report higher sexual satisfaction, and they stay married longer and are way more well-adjusted.
03:30:20.800
So wouldn't that be like a good argument to move towards, you know, chastity or moving people towards virginity when they're getting married?
03:30:32.880
So that's all fine and dandy if we could create a world whereby we revert back to the natural life cycle that humans were born with.
03:30:50.540
Meaning humans, hormonally, all of that, are ready to have sex when they go through puberty.
03:30:59.540
So there was a time in history where that was happening.
03:31:04.300
So the idea of being a virgin when you pick your mate and actually being young enough for that to be practical, right, that would be possible.
03:31:17.860
Again, if we change the whole school structure and kids are actually not being infantilized and they're actually transitioning from childhood to at least young adulthood,
03:31:30.340
instead of it taking 25 years, if we actually brought back traditions and initiation practices that many cultures have employed throughout the years, initiation.
03:31:51.200
But if we were advancing these children into sexual maturity to where they could be starting their families in their teens like their bodies are designed to do,
03:32:02.940
then I think we could, in theory, get back to a place where the, and we teach people to be their authentic selves and to find partners who are actually in alignment with the calling they have.
03:32:19.060
This is why I don't like the idea of women in political power, and here's why.
03:32:24.740
Because this was recent that most people married virgins.
03:32:29.340
Clear up to the 50s and 60s, most marriages were between virgins.
03:32:35.940
Now that's wild to think about how that could drastically, so drastically change until you remember birth control.
03:32:42.160
When birth control is introduced and the sexual revolution happens, the sexual revolution of women being told by other women to go out and be promiscuous,
03:32:51.920
and now they have a pill which will stop conception.
03:32:55.780
And suddenly, this entire thing that you're talking about, where you're talking about the initiation,
03:33:02.100
and you're talking about society being turned on its head, and kids being, you know, given the pill and this type of thing in school, right?
03:33:15.580
I believe that it was made to look like women did it, but I believe that feminism is just the other side of the patriarchal coin,
03:33:22.900
where it is designed to separate men and women from each other.
03:33:30.720
Patriarchy is not designed to do that, but I agree with you, feminism is.
03:33:33.420
The patriarchy, what I'm talking about the patriarchy is how men can very easily...
03:33:39.860
For example, you employ a lot of these tactics whereby men are using the emotional vulnerability of women to usurp power over them.
03:33:51.340
Even though that woman, I hate to break it to you, but throughout society and many different cultures, elderly females were the highest regarded.
03:34:05.340
Right, the matrons, the oracles, the grandma, okay?
03:34:16.960
But I think the thing is here, it's like, no, I think the opposite is true.
03:34:19.740
So I think that what's happened is women have utilized the fact that they're vulnerable and men know that they're vulnerable to use that as a manipulation to achieve power.
03:34:29.420
Because otherwise, why is it that when the patriarchy is in charge and everything is within a patriarchal structure, the societal ban seem to be much better and women are marrying far more pure and so are the men.
03:34:45.660
I don't know where you're getting, they're not anymore.
03:34:54.780
Well, no, what I'm telling you is that it seems like you're not a proponent of the patriarchy.
03:34:59.740
I'm not a proponent of either one because I think both structures are keeping men and women apart.
03:35:04.360
I don't think they're the opposite side of the coin.
03:35:08.480
Well, I think that patriarchy, I'm not even sure it's going to be agree to disagree.
03:35:11.980
Let me give you the view first because I don't think you're even going to disagree.
03:35:16.120
If you agree to some kind of natural law, which it seems like you do.
03:35:30.720
So when you talk about patriarchy, I don't remember where we're at.
03:35:43.320
It can't actually be the opposite side of the coin.
03:35:45.300
If you believe in some type of natural law, which it seems like you're alluding to, you believe that there's some natural order, natural paradigm, natural this, natural that.
03:35:52.100
If that is the case, then the biggest and strongest are going to have forced doctrine on their side.
03:35:58.300
You're going to have patriarchy no matter what.
03:36:01.380
That's going to be, in other words, the status quo.
03:36:07.740
Well, actually, if the women all just decided that they didn't want to participate in the patriarchy anymore, it would end in a day.
03:36:21.680
I think that if men decided collectively that women couldn't do anything, that that would end in a day, and women could do nothing.
03:36:28.700
But if women decided that there would be no patriarchy, if men wanted there to be one, they couldn't do anything about it.
03:36:45.440
With whoever they wanted to if they decided to make women second-class citizens, right?
03:36:49.400
Well, if the women don't want to have sex with them anymore.
03:37:00.460
What I'm saying is that if men have forced doctrine, so take countries like Muslim nations, for instance, right?
03:37:06.220
If inside of nations like this, we can see it right this second.
03:37:10.600
If men decide, and this is why I think that men are benevolent, because we could always do this, but don't.
03:37:15.660
If men collectively decide that women no longer have rights and are second-class citizens, women don't have recourse.
03:37:30.120
Then how come in these nations where this occurs, they're engaging with men?
03:37:36.380
We haven't all collectively come together to decide we want a new world order.
03:37:44.400
Yeah, but the thing is, look, I still don't understand how that would negate that if men decided that women have no rights, let's say, how women would have them.
03:37:56.340
Wouldn't they always have to appeal to men for them?
03:37:58.380
I think you're misunderstanding, because if you think about it, women didn't have rights for a really long time, and the whole society decided, let's change this.
03:38:26.760
Like, for instance, feminism, the right to vote for suffrage, let's say.
03:38:32.260
Women voted against their right to vote almost every time they had a choice to vote on it.
03:38:37.640
And it was because they wanted to be seen as above politics.
03:38:43.700
They wanted to be seen as authorities on issues without being used as political pogs, right, or political cogs.
03:38:55.060
So essentially, the courts are the ones who push this through against the will of the people.
03:38:58.820
I do agree that, to be honest with you, I believe that the people need to start taking their power back.
03:39:06.340
I believe that we have all collectively given so much of our power over to governmental authorities that have particular agendas.
03:39:18.200
The government in the United States, the court system, the police, everything, it's big business.
03:39:22.240
It propagates particular agendas, and it monetizes off basically collective trauma responses because a trauma response is very predictable.
03:39:32.300
You can basically predict with very acute accuracy how a person is going to spend their time, money, life force energy, you could say.
03:39:43.180
Do you know which sex you can do that with the most, who's the most easily propagandized?
03:39:51.800
Yeah, so then if it is the case that women are the most victimized by the state, they're the most easy to predict by the state, you can predict them the best and propagandize them the easiest, why do you want them to have political power?
03:40:08.760
I don't want women to have to have political power.
03:40:12.000
I don't want politics to be the overarching power of the world.
03:40:15.960
Then why wouldn't you advocate for women to retract themselves from it?
03:40:27.520
I'm propagating that everybody basically go inward and start dealing with their own shit before they go out and try to save the world when they haven't even dealt with their own racism, their own masculine wounds, feminine wounds, daddy issues, mommy issues.
03:40:42.440
And then they're going out and they're basically propagating the things that they're saying that they hate or they don't want because they haven't really reconciled it, processed it, and reached a level of sort of development where they then.
03:40:58.140
So then nobody should engage in the political process?
03:41:06.620
Yeah, but I mean, politics is micro and macro, right?
03:41:14.120
And what we're doing, though, is we are focusing so much on the macro to the detriment of the micro.
03:41:23.040
But the thing is, is that, okay, so let's look at the micro.
03:41:26.520
So if we look at tradition, tradition is the exercise of experiments that worked, right?
03:41:35.140
They worked over and over and over and over again.
03:41:39.720
That's why they're still running with fucking bulls in Spain.
03:41:56.140
On the micro, though, in the family, you know what's really worked really well for the family?
03:42:01.160
Mom at home, dad working, single income you can raise the family on.
03:42:05.660
Right, but the thing is, think about it, Andrew.
03:42:10.340
Our government, with the taxation and stuff, is not making it a safe environment right now for one man to even support a family.
03:42:18.020
They're forcing us with tax increases and expensive housing prices and grocery prices.
03:42:23.640
You have to have two incomes coming in, basically.
03:42:25.400
But I would postulate that if women were retracted from the political process tomorrow, that 90% of those issues would go away within the first year.
03:42:35.840
If we created a societal structure where women were valued in the home again, rather than feeling pressured, societal pressure, to go out and enter the workforce and become taxpayers, because literally the issue of everything, all of world problems, is stemming from childhood trauma.
03:42:55.760
From children not having a sympathetic mother there.
03:42:59.300
Look, I don't know if it's stemming from that, but I'm looking at the solution regardless.
03:43:01.960
So even if it was, if this solution helped you with that, which it seems like it would, you should still be advocating for that solution, right?
03:43:09.380
But how does being sexually provocative, having an OnlyFans, kind of saying things like this are liberating?
03:43:17.080
How in the world does that help move people past this?
03:43:20.560
Well, for me, I can't speak to everybody because everybody's sexuality is expressed in a certain way based on where they're at.
03:43:28.440
For me, for example, I came from deep, deep purity culture on one hand, but also my dad being a pedophile and sex trafficking me.
03:43:40.840
Well, no, but I was in the purity culture of celibacy.
03:43:44.060
So on the one hand, I had my dad indoctrinating me that I was to be a sex worker.
03:43:50.020
That was the only way I was going to make it in life.
03:43:52.220
He would take me to bars from an early age and...
03:44:01.620
I understand that there was exploitation in your earlier...
03:44:08.360
I just want to ask a question, and then I'm going to listen to everything you say is the answer.
03:44:12.460
If it is true that there was an exploitation, right, which is there, which created this trauma vacuum for you,
03:44:18.160
which then is why you became promiscuous later in life,
03:44:21.260
I thought that your whole thing was dealing with and getting rid of those traumas.
03:44:25.340
So you have to understand, with these extreme traumas, primarily coming from a sexual wound from a parent,
03:44:31.360
that's the most extreme form of trauma that a human can endure, spiritually, psychologically, emotionally.
03:44:37.860
Okay, so the only way to actually heal from that is to what is called reanimate the trauma.
03:44:44.160
But what you need to do is do it under your terms.
03:44:54.940
Okay, so that is actually a very powerful healing modality for these most intense extreme sexual traumas, which I faced.
03:45:02.960
Normal, you could say tame, textbook, psychological processes don't touch that depth of trauma.
03:45:10.400
You literally have to transmute it, or you have to essentially, you have to take what was so traumatic and painful and unspeakable,
03:45:21.680
and you have to allow your body to turn it into a point of pleasure for you.
03:45:28.480
That is literally the only way that I have seen that anybody can actually heal from these extensive traumas.
03:45:38.740
Well, because the idea here is like, you know, inside of, let's say, certain churches, priests have predilections towards people on the young end, right?
03:45:52.460
But the thing is, is that they're trying to make the association of this activity being pleasurable for you.
03:45:58.240
That's why so many of them end up, you know, going after same sex later in life and repeating the pattern.
03:46:04.440
It's because they're kind of making the association with the pleasure.
03:46:09.580
So, Brian, they're repeating the pattern because they're not owning it and then taking it into an appropriate context consciously.
03:46:25.520
Let's use a priest who is actually a pedophile and, okay, who is abusing younger kids.
03:46:31.780
The only way to heal from that depth of depravity, we could call it, the only way to heal that is that man needs to admit that is now part of his sexuality.
03:46:43.360
So, if this is part of my sexuality, how can I...
03:46:46.520
Just a minute, just a minute, just a minute, just a minute, just a minute, just a minute, just a minute.
03:46:53.720
They need to admit to themselves the energetics.
03:46:56.240
What is it about this little boy that turns me on?
03:47:01.160
All right, all right, we've got to move off the topic.
03:47:03.200
But the thing is, we have to, because I'd love to get into this more, though, but we do have to move off on it.
03:47:14.240
You're saying that if you make the association of pleasure, that is definitionally grooming,
03:47:20.640
is making the association of pleasure to move towards an activity which you would not ordinarily do.
03:47:28.760
That's part of the brainwashing technique for that.
03:47:31.460
And, by the way, the social sciences are very clear on that, and that's why so many people,
03:47:36.020
young men especially, who've had this happen to them, end up doing it themselves to other people.
03:47:41.080
The reason they're doing it is because they're never owning that there was part of that that they enjoyed.
03:47:47.100
Once they admit there was part of it they enjoyed, and then they earth.
03:47:52.100
I'm telling you, literally, the process of how to heal this.
03:47:59.160
You just got done telling me you're still experiencing the same exact type of trauma.
03:48:03.600
But, listen, I no longer let the trauma create a chronic condition.
03:48:09.840
So, traumas are going to be coming at us constantly, okay?
03:48:13.140
I have exposed myself to particular being an influencer, having attacks, being out there with myself.
03:48:21.640
And so, obviously, I'm going to have these attacks and acute traumas coming at me.
03:48:25.560
I have learned through my sexuality, through conscious kink, BDSM, through being able to express my exhibitionism,
03:48:35.100
to be seen in that way, and to be allowed to just be a sexual being, that is my healing.
03:48:49.180
When I still had my rape trauma response, I was unconsciously.
03:48:55.720
I understand that you're not trying to use the words maliciously.
03:48:58.440
You don't understand how stringent the terms of service are for these types of video streaming services.
03:49:04.560
They just don't want this kind of stuff talked about.
03:49:10.000
I much prefer to just dive into it, but we can't.
03:49:14.640
So, I'm hoping we can perhaps find something to actually engage on here.
03:49:22.760
So, I mean, you mentioned something in your messages about ethical extortion.
03:49:50.260
Well, so that way I can make sure that I explain it in a way that you understand so that we're using the same word.
03:49:59.300
So, extortion is, easiest way to describe it is a blackmail situation, right?
03:50:04.720
So, you do this or you're going to have this consequence.
03:50:07.660
Now, unethical extortion is when you have no right to take what it is you're blackmailing that person to get, right?
03:50:19.760
So, it's their intellectual property, their money, their whatever, and they're entitled to that.
03:50:24.420
And there is nothing in the spiritual realm or moral realm or legal realm that would make you entitled to have that.
03:50:32.740
So, if you do anything to take that from them, that is unethical extortion.
03:50:37.780
But what an ethical extortion is, is for example, if a man comes to my residence and breaks in my home, and I hold a gun to his head, and I say, get out of my house, or I'm going to shoot you, that's ethical extortion.
03:51:02.100
Because I am commanding him to do something, and if he doesn't, I am going to hold him accountable to suffering the consequences of that action.
03:51:14.740
But that is what I'm talking about when I'm saying ethical extortion.
03:51:18.140
It is simply holding people accountable and as a person, person to person, executing judgment on them.
03:51:25.820
Because it's something that you're so sure is right before God, you're just willing to do it.
03:51:33.700
And if you were in the wrong, you're willing to suffer legal consequences.
03:51:38.040
Meaning, you're so sure that that person deserves to die, you tell them.
03:51:43.640
Do you mean in the case of your home being broken in?
03:51:50.160
Do you think that Brian deserves to be unalive?
03:51:57.400
I mean, do you think, honestly, he deserves that?
03:52:01.440
Honestly, I can't tell what's in Brian's heart and soul.
03:52:26.580
Well, if we're just talking of what I know of you two up until this point, nothing in the future.
03:52:32.720
I would say you are contributing to more brokenness than healing.
03:52:45.940
So, if that's the case, if you have declared, much like the burglar, to intend to do us harm, then aren't we engaging in ethical, ethical, what was the word you used?
03:53:03.800
Aren't we engaging in ethical extortion by basically saying, well, now you do this or else because you're basically threatening to do everything in the world to us as to and including leading us down a road to being unalived if necessary because you think we're doing more harm than good.
03:53:21.120
But wouldn't Brian, then, be the one who is conducting ethical extortion if he fought back against that?
03:53:33.440
It literally only works if you're right, if you are in the right.
03:53:37.960
Like when somebody declares that they're going to try to do everything they can to destroy your life to the point that you unalive yourself, don't you think that from their perspective they would say, uh, since you've made that declaration, now anything I do back to you is justified?
03:53:54.920
My question isn't whether or not you can try it.
03:53:58.240
My question is, from the perception of the person you're declaring that to, would it not then, from their perspective, be reasonable to say, wait, if that's what you want to do to me, then any defense mode I have back, you deserve it?
03:54:14.800
Yeah, so then aren't you perpetuating, and this is why Christianity, by the way, superior to your worldview, aren't you perpetuating the very same value which you're accusing the other person of violating?
03:54:26.480
Yes, and it's called eye for an eye, you reap what you sow, and so I don't believe anything would come of unethical extortion towards a person using ethical extortion.
03:54:36.440
If I actually wronged you in a way that was not compensatory to how you had wronged me, shit's not going to go well for me, it would go well for you.
03:54:45.520
Then if it's true that you reap what you sow, if you utilize eye for an eye against a person, they snatch your eye, then you snatch theirs.
03:54:53.140
So then, therefore, they go and they snatch your this, and so you take out this.
03:54:57.460
Isn't the entire purpose of breaking the cycle of you reap what you sow actually meaning this, that if somebody attacks you and you're forgiving towards that person and walk away from it, you are then reaping that down the road that people will be forgiving towards you?
03:55:13.020
The thing is, is each of us as adults have the responsibility to hold other adults accountable when it comes to the harm of children.
03:55:25.820
If you don't have it, you're not from God then.
03:55:32.020
The God that thinks you should be a sex worker?
03:55:36.420
The God of creation is a lot bigger than your ideology of it.
03:55:44.900
You don't even know what my ideology is or what I think the God of creation is.
03:55:48.420
You just told me that God would never endorse sex work.
03:55:55.240
But, I mean, that's very clear that he wouldn't.
03:56:00.900
And he also gives a commandment about adultering.
03:56:26.020
Well, the answer would be no because that's not fucking anything.
03:56:33.380
Penetrating one thing that is structural and able to penetrate is then penetrating something else.
03:56:41.740
Yeah, you're just using the word penetrating a lot, but not telling me how this is sex.
03:56:47.320
How did God have sex with the earth which led to evolution?
03:56:50.480
Because the consciousness of God penetrated physical matter.
03:57:16.200
A bit of a one pump chump, but he did penetrate the piece of paper.
03:57:22.300
However, I do want to come back to, so you said eye for an eye, and you said that you think it would be better if me and Andrew were not around, to put it lightly.
03:57:48.880
Well, like I said, I believe up until this point of what I know of you, and I know of your platform, I believe you are, in a sense, doing more harm than good.
03:57:59.800
And so for this reason, you believe that me and Andrew should be assassinated?
03:58:09.860
Yeah, or just not exist anymore, because what's the point of you being here?
03:58:13.740
If you're not helping, if you're not helping heal, and you're not contributing any solutions to society, literally, why are you here?
03:58:25.320
What makes you judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to determining the value which we provide to society?
03:58:41.240
You could be too, if you were actually doing what God made you to do, which is protect and serve women and children.
03:58:55.580
That is your divine calling, and you're not doing it, so therefore, you're not in alignment with source.
03:59:18.640
So you feel that it is warranted, then, that me and Andrew are deleted because we hurt your feelings?
03:59:31.300
No, it's because I can't see you making any positive contribution to society.
03:59:35.840
Maybe Andrew's different because at least he's, I'm assuming, financially supporting a woman and child.
03:59:41.380
So you can only contribute to society as a man if you're financially supporting women?
03:59:45.380
You can only contribute to society as a man if you are serving and protecting women and children.
03:59:53.720
If you are not serving and protecting women and children, then you are failing at your calling as a man.
04:00:01.540
You're failing at your primary basic calling as a man is literally to serve and protect women.
04:00:08.100
If any woman is coming into your presence and you are genuinely having the mindset and the intention to protect her and serve her, a woman feels that, Brian.
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So if we don't feel it, then, therefore, you're not serving and protecting us.
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Because if you're not serving and protecting, you basically turn into a predator.
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That is the most man-hating and misandrist thing I've ever heard.
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That if a man is not serving women, that he is a predator, that he is useless.
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On its face, that is, like I said, one of the most man-hating, misandrist things I've ever heard on the show.
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Again, though, so because you think or you feel that we've hurt your feelings and perhaps the feelings of other people,
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you think that eye for an eye, that violence can be done upon me and Andrew on this basis alone.
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It's nothing to do with my feelings as an individual.
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It's everything to do with the environment of hostility that you are promoting on your platform.
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The minds that we have in this generation are not the same as your mind and my mind when we were growing up.
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I think that unconscious, addictive, fake, like acting, porn is very toxic to society.
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Yeah, there is nothing authentic and genuine about the porn that you're producing.
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But I mean, I've seen your Instagram and it's absolutely degenerate.
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There's many people that don't share that opinion.
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Right, but despite your, despite your conduct and grievances and misconduct, I don't think you should be unalived for it.
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But you seem to think that because people hurt your feelings, they should be physically violently attacked.
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I said it was because, again, I'll say it for the third time because it's not landing for you, obviously.
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I said it's because I believe as a mother, as a social scientist, as a healer, that what I see you propagating on your platform is extremely detrimental to the society that we are currently operating in.
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These kids didn't grow up with the ideologies that Andrew did or you did.
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I need to know your generation so I know what ideology you came in with.
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These fucking kids do not have the brains you guys do.
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But you have to understand that your primary male audience is probably aged 18 to 25.
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No, actually, I mean, looking at our YouTube analytics, I believe the age range is 25 to 34.
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Okay, well, let's say you have 10% who are in the younger generation who literally the propaganda and the brainwash and the lack of being able to at all handle a trigger.
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I'm saying these young ones cannot handle this shit that you guys are propagating.
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They don't know how to critically think anymore.
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So when you guys promote something and you are guys that they look up to.
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We talk about dating and sometimes it gets about culture war and political stuff.
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And we talk, like I said, culture war, political stuff.
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Andrew, or Brian, are you trying to argue or do you want to know why I am telling you I wouldn't mind if you disappeared?
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I mean, to say that you'd rather somebody, even, even the, there's no, there's no person who's come on the show and there's plenty of women who have, who have done malicious things on the show.
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So, uh, I don't wish any of them because they're pussies, they're pussies.
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Nobody understands when you're a fucking parent and you have children that you are literally watching day in and day out.
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You're allowing this psychotic degenerate woman to have her way all on you.
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She says she's a mother and yet she wishes death upon you.
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This is the exact reason why her child should be taken away.
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Some of them have not conducted themselves properly.
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I don't wish harm, physical, any sort of physical harm or death on any of them.
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But because me and Andrew hurt your fifis, we hurt your feelings.
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It has everything to do with your personal feelings.
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I was looking at it from the perspective of a social scientist who is literally studying what the fuck is going wrong with these kids because it's not okay right now.
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No, you said he couldn't argue with your truth.
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If you want to call it my feelings based in the fucking science right now, sure.
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...psychopaths aren't getting younger and younger.
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But it doesn't tell you what you ought to do with that information.
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I have contributed to the next generation and still am.
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Are your children allowed to get mogered on their face like you do in your pics?
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Is your child allowed to go suck a dick right now?
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Or is mommy going to pat him on the head and say, good job, sweetheart?
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If that is genuinely where my children were at in their development and they were ready
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to take on those expressions of their personal sexuality, I would do everything I could to
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make sure that they were supported in making healthy decisions for themselves.
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What's the difference between Desiree and the battery?
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I'm sorry that I won't let my daughter's twerk.
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I don't believe that children were born to be indoctrinated by the belief systems of their
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I believe that every child was born with their own thought processes, their own giftings,
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When you impose made up morals based on a certain cultural ideology, I believe that's
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Morals are man-made, but there is a code of ethics that we should be born in with.
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Do you believe that everybody should follow the ethics of this God you believe in?
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So how do you get them to follow those ethics if they're doing the wrong thing for your
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However, the morals which you get from your God are objective.
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And because they're objective, everybody ought to follow them.
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Everybody should or they're doing something wrong.
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Honestly, I don't understand what you're asking.
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When your God tells you what is moral, this God that you worship?
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So if you're God, then everything you say is what's moral?
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Well, remember I said I am not going with morals.
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You always give them multiple ways to look at things.
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If your ethical system is correct and it is morally objective and you tell your kids not
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to follow it, then you're telling them to be immoral by your own standard.
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I think that you have gotten to the point where you don't want to understand what I'm saying.
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That means that you are teaching your children what are, from your perspective, objective
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But you also allow them to move towards other systems.
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If that is the case, then you're allowing them to move towards immoral systems.
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I am not imposing a moral code onto my children.
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I am allowing my children to discover the truth of their own being.
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Because I believe that the ethics that are God-given are embedded in the truth of who
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Since you're God, can you give me your Ten Commandments?
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The same Ten Commandments that are in the Bible.
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In the early modern period, from about 1,400 to 1775, about 100,000 people were prosecuted
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So, over here to this, though, yeah, give me your five.
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God doesn't know he's supposed to talk in the mic?
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Meaning, this body system, little constricted into this, God's trying to move through me.
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Now, I still have some restriction because I'm in this human form.
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I see you trying to stuff and deny a lot of your life force energy and argue with God.
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But if I'm God, then shouldn't I be able to do that if I want to?
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And slowly over time, I notice around age 35...
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I notice by age 35, if you have denied your authentic self that you were born to be for 33, 34, 35 years,
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I believe at that point, you have literally reprogrammed your own brain to follow the morals or the trends or the constructs of the time,
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rather than who you were actually born to be, which might be a fucking freak.
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It's the same thing you're teaching your children.
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If your children listened to your ethical worldview and came to the conclusion that God says they should follow the way Andrew and Brian live,
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would you also wish your own children no longer existed?
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If your children decided to live the same way that me and Brian live, by your standard,
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wouldn't you have to wish that they weren't in existence?
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Yeah, if they were to your ages, 35, and they were still propagating this,
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and I saw no hope that they were going to get it, yes, I would wish them not to be here anymore.
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No, for not creating a healthy environment on the Earth, which is the only reason humans are here.
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I think that you're stifling a healthy environment for any human being on planet Earth, personally.
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Okay, so I'll just try to think of it off the top of my head.
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So, essentially, I believe that the code of ethics basically come down to this.
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When we're thinking of anything we're going to do, okay, we need to...
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The psychopaths are those few people born just...
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Because if they're psychopathic, they don't have the emotional structures for this to work.
04:15:12.420
But they still would need to follow the ethical code, right?
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I mean, you would hold them to the standard of this ethical code.
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And if they weren't able to cognitively follow it, you should take them out.
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Okay, so essentially, with everything you're thinking of doing, you want to ask yourself
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And if you can't say yes to all five of these questions, you're not making an ethical choice.
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Okay, so number one, does this, the idea of doing this or choosing this, does it give
04:15:52.720
Do I feel more alive when I think of making that choice?
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Second one, is there good in this for other people?
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So meaning, is it basically like a win-win situation?
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It's good for me and it's good for other people.
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Now, and I want to preface to say, good doesn't necessarily mean that somebody else is going
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Okay, so number three is, does it align with my core values?
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Okay, so that core values is going to imply that you have gotten to know yourself.
04:16:41.000
Okay, so for example, some people are just naturally super into like animal rights, you
04:16:52.640
This whole podcast should be a course on debate university on how to engage with people and
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keep a conversation going while getting no real answers to your questions.
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Four is, do you need help from a higher power to achieve this?
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Meaning, the higher power could be your idea of God, but it also could be a teacher, a parent,
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Just do I need, basically, do I need to expand myself and ask for help to do this?
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Sorry, it's hard to come up with that on the spot.
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Basically meaning, does it take me outside my comfort zone?
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So if everything that you do, I believe, and you get quick at doing this when it becomes
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embedded in who you are, but everything you're doing, you want to run through those things.
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If you can't say yes to all of it, you need to keep tweaking your plan because there's a
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I just want to let you know by your five commandments, Brian is one of the most ethical men I've ever
04:18:23.300
Well, then he would have nothing to worry about.
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Let's start with, does this make me more alive?
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So every single time Brian does this podcast, and according to the conversations I've had
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with him afterwards, he definitely is having fun.
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He's definitely getting into the spirit of things.
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That's definitely part of this idea of aliveness you've described.
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He receives hundreds of DMs from men all over the world saying, thank you for this.
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His value of trying to do one and two, in fact, would align with those values.
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Very interesting way to phrase it, as Brian has been moving towards religiosity lately.
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Because of this podcast, in fact, does it require that he grows?
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And you can see from the growth of his channel, you can see from the growth of him as a person
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So, according to this, Brian, the man you want to unalive by your own commandments,
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is following your ethical system to the letter.
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But why should he worry about something from you when he's following your ethical code?
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Well, you're telling him he doesn't need to worry.
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Now, I'm asking you why he should worry if he's following your ethical code.
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What standard could you hold him immoral if this is your ethical code?
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Because I believe his higher power isn't quite as high as he thinks it is.
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If you want to keep going on that, I thought that was fantastic, actually.
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What of the, when you say higher power, what higher power are you referencing that he doesn't
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People have an inability to understand that their sense of right is subjective.
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No human on earth has the ability to be all right, all knowing.
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Brand drew protect women and children by conserving true masculine values in modern health.
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So, anyway, so, Brian, you say he's not the embodiment of these values because of three,
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In fact, you framed four, and I took a cliff note here, as you could be appealing to X,
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you could be appealing to Y, you could be appealing to Z.
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You didn't say you had to appeal to your specific God.
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It's interesting that you changed the answer to now it has to be your specific God when
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we use your own value judgment and realize that Brian is living up to the very ethical
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So, you posed the question in a little bit more of an understandable way before this,
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And I would say the God is the God of authenticity.
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So, the only reason I'm saying that Andrew has basically veered course, even if he's following
04:21:51.020
all those things, I don't believe that this platform and what I see the undertones of it
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I don't see the subculture being coming from your authentic self.
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This is really weird because all of these things which you have given us are a subjective metric.
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And as I went through each one of them, you couldn't give me a single disagreement for
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how he's not following everyone on, especially when you initially gave us the, do you need
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help, which is a question as part of the commandment.
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You even gave an example of something which is a higher power but not God.
04:22:33.740
You have to, essentially, if this choice that you're going to make, if that choice doesn't
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require that you basically tune in to a higher guidance, whether that higher guidance comes
04:22:52.280
from your own prayer and meditation, whether it comes from you take a training course from
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somebody more expert in that area, wherever it comes from, talking to your grandma about
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But essentially, that ensures that you're having the accountability to have somebody check
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you because, essentially, you're checking in with somebody, something that you think.
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How could you be held to more of an account than already following each one of these commandments,
04:23:22.320
actually allowing your accuser to face you, giving the accuser a platform in front of thousands
04:23:28.140
in which to face you down, and following the ethical system provided by the accuser to
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the letter, how in the world can you reconcile that Brian bad guy when he's doing all of the
04:23:39.860
When you're talking about accountability, for instance, being held accountable to the world
04:23:47.640
He's being held accountable in a way that I'm not?
04:23:50.140
Yeah, because Brian has tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who tune in
04:23:55.620
to ridicule every aspect of his life every single day across the entire world.
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This is Canada, United States, Mexico, South America.
04:24:07.460
This is, I mean, there's probably motherfuckers in Antarctica, on some station in Antarctica,
04:24:11.800
and hang on, hang on, in a battleship somewhere, who are sitting off the coast watching this
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I can't think of a man held to more of an account on the internet than Brian fucking Atlas,
04:24:25.100
who is following all of your ethical systems, and then when you say the one problem you have
04:24:29.700
is there's no way to hold him accountable, he's being held accountable by way more people
04:24:35.600
I was simply saying, I was explaining the reason behind why that number was an accountability
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system, and that's why it's part of a code of ethics.
04:24:52.960
What I want to say is, what I like about ethical extortion, as I called it, is my words will
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fall flat if you don't deserve what I'm saying.
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It wouldn't even, that's why I can have, I can threaten you because the reason I can
04:25:09.920
threaten you is because if I do threaten you and nothing happens, well, then you just didn't
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How have I ever threatened you or said a word about you being unalive?
04:25:23.940
Your tone and the way that you degrade me and every thought I have, it essentially is
04:25:35.840
promoting the message to anybody who would resonate with that frequency of speaking to
04:25:43.220
somebody, it's telling all of them, she's a piece of shit.
04:25:52.720
And by the way, anybody who at all reminds you of her, also don't listen to them.
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Yeah, I would actually stand behind the idea that you are dumb and crazy and that nobody
04:26:04.560
should ever listen to you, but I have good justifiable reasons for why I think that, which
04:26:11.420
The idea that I'm not following your moral system is laughable.
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I hold myself to a way higher standard than what your ethical system is, and so does Brian.
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And then it's like, okay, but what about being held to account?
04:26:24.620
Not only is he held to account by tens and hundreds of thousands of people, but he's
04:26:29.920
actually allowing you to confront him right now.
04:26:34.880
And you know who disengaged, who didn't want to hold Brian Atlas to account?
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Because the second he had an opportunity to engage, and the second he thought, oh, wait,
04:26:44.980
I might be wrong, you shut down, you started crying, you pouted, and you rage quit.
04:26:49.820
Imagine you being the person who could finally hold someone to account who fell short of your
04:26:54.120
ethical system, and when you get the opportunity, you just start bawling like a baby and rage quit.
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I don't really believe that it's necessary for me.
04:27:09.960
I have listened to every episode of Whatever, followed politics for years, seen horrifying
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I have never seen or heard such delusional, horrifying BS in my life.
04:27:28.280
That was a, that was a, what was the question you asked just right before that?
04:27:34.160
I said, how is it when you finally have the opportunity to confront the person who you
04:27:40.160
think is so problematic, instead of actually doing the confrontation, you break down and
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start crying and leave because they disagree with why you hate them.
04:27:53.080
So there's so, it's such a rare opportunity that anybody ever gets inside of these spaces
04:27:58.200
ever to confront the people that they have a problem with in front of their audience, on
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And yet when you did it, you fell apart in five seconds.
04:28:08.160
If I can just add to that really quick, I will, I frequently will have people who make
04:28:13.080
videos criticizing me, criticizing the show, criticizing Andrew.
04:28:20.160
They'll make YouTube videos about it, news articles, whatever.
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And I'll actually invite these people on for them to actually face me, face Andrew and
04:28:33.520
Now, when I attempted multiple times to explore, so you could hold me to account and hold me
04:28:39.780
accountable for the ways in which you think I'm conducting myself inappropriately or poorly,
04:28:46.300
when I've given you the opportunity, every, in every instance, you've just shut down, you
04:28:55.280
So, I mean, I just have to ditto and echo exactly what Andrew said here.
04:28:59.860
Well, I'm going to get in my counter argument and the last thing I'll say on this point,
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The reason that I believe that you shut down is because it was the first time in a long
04:29:08.820
time you've been held to account for something.
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And the second you get held to account, well, wait a second, I was here to just go after you.
04:29:17.020
What about the court case that I'm in right now?
04:29:19.920
The one that you just won and thanked the entire whatever podcast?
04:29:25.140
We only have done the mitigation, which is why I had to...
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Did you bring the case or did somebody else bring the case?
04:29:40.520
I have full custody right now because they're not safe with their dad while the investigation
04:29:49.320
Because here you have a process in which you're being held.
04:29:52.800
The stakes, right, while high, are actually kind of low.
04:29:57.800
In other words, you could have your kids taken away by your ex in this instance, right?
04:30:03.780
And I'm not hoping that this happens, but I'm just saying if it did, you could always
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That's because the court system was unjust and unfair.
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It's because of this, it's because of that, you could make all of those claims.
04:30:16.040
Much harder to make the claim when somebody else just shatters your worldview in five
04:30:22.580
There's a difference between me getting emotional because an ego construct that I really was
04:30:33.340
That is not something that I do on the spot in a situation like this.
04:30:37.380
What you guys saw was genuinely, Brian can read my rantings from last night, I wasn't
04:30:44.900
I was literally crying myself to sleep, like scared to come.
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Yeah, and so I felt that I had moved enough of it out of me and he said, relax, it'll be
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The only person who's fallen apart here today is you.
04:31:11.780
Yeah, because you were being held to account for the horrible things that you've been saying.
04:31:22.380
Your points of attack weren't working and so they made you upset when there was a counterattack.
04:31:27.280
My platform and who I am is being grossly misrepresented.
04:31:33.360
I am being pigeonholed into certain responses by you.
04:31:43.420
So when invited on so that you could make all of your attacks, that's fair.
04:31:47.200
But if somebody counterattacks, which is what you say we should do because that's the
04:31:52.300
way in which, what did you call it, benevolent extortion is done when somebody declares their
04:31:57.820
intent to destroy you, you have every right to hit back.
04:32:00.380
So when somebody does that, after you declared your intent, you fall to pieces.
04:32:14.360
What do you do as a man, as a coping strategy, perhaps?
04:32:26.720
When something touches your heart so deeply, the tears are coming.
04:32:34.700
What I do, here's what I do, more than anything else.
04:32:45.140
I have faith in the true God, the one that actually exists.
04:32:56.220
And there is a teleology, a telos, a purpose, I agree with you there, that people do have.
04:33:01.520
Men's purpose is not to yield to emotion, but to control emotion.
04:33:06.180
Because when we become enslaved to our emotion, we become fucking dangerous.
04:33:15.480
We become super strong in seconds when you have adrenaline pumping and this type of thing in ways that are highly dangerous to society.
04:33:23.300
Society couldn't even fucking function if men didn't walk around with an exemplary amount of emotional control.
04:33:30.340
And yet what happens is women want us to respect you for saying, well, wait, I'm a very emotional creature.
04:33:36.580
And we're like, yeah, we know, but the expectations I keep it under control, my expectations that you do too, at least to some degree.
04:33:44.260
Well, the thing is, though, a woman's emotionality and what men typically call like crazy or hysteria or all of this stuff that we're hearing people call me, that is actually our protective measure because we're not as physically strong as you.
04:33:57.900
So literally all we have is basically our acting like a bear presentation.
04:34:03.900
Yeah, so you're relying on the benevolence of men.
04:34:06.120
So what I'm saying is, is your testosterone hormonally literally changes how emotions affect you versus a woman.
04:34:18.220
If we do, we start fucking with our own hormonal balance.
04:34:22.180
It's interesting. I used to believe something similar to this until I started having children and I have adult female children.
04:34:32.340
I have seen so many times that the tears will get turned on in seconds for the purposes of manipulation under the guise of I can't control it or help it.
04:34:42.320
And then I also have seen instantly women shut this right off if they think that that behooves them.
04:34:48.400
So while I do think that women struggle with emotional control more than men, and I'm willing to grant that, I also think that they dive into it as a form of control over men, trying to play against men's benevolency of, oh, I'm just a helpless victim.
04:35:01.920
I couldn't control myself when I set your shit on fire.
04:35:05.000
It wasn't my fault that I said horrible things.
04:35:10.880
And it's like, well, but when it seems like you're tasked to actually control them, you seem to be able to, unless it suits you not to.
04:35:22.960
Okay, so your daughters are the ones who gave you this trauma?
04:35:36.780
Oh, I've observed it in thousands of women I've had conversations with all over the world who I've seen utilize tears specifically for the purpose of manipulation.
04:35:46.700
How do you know they were trying to manipulate?
04:35:50.680
For instance, I've had women who have made videos where they've cried inside of videos and things like that who have later said, look, I did use that kind of as a tactic and leaned into it quite a bit, this kind of thing.
04:36:07.700
I've met a lot of them in person right here on the Whatever podcast.
04:36:13.060
I've met a lot of them here on the Whatever podcast, but I've talked to thousands of them within Discord, Telegram, Twitter, all over the fucking world I've talked to these various women.
04:36:22.840
So are you like a coach for women or how are you getting access to all these women?
04:36:24.560
No, I'm usually involved in group conversations where women also...
04:36:38.420
Maybe there'll be a space where I'm trying to answer your question.
04:36:42.260
So usually you'll start with two or three people and then hundreds of people will begin to move into...
04:36:50.480
Then hundreds of people will move into these groups.
04:36:54.980
You'll have five, six different people talking.
04:36:56.720
So yeah, I have discussions with women all over the world all the time and have for years.
04:37:03.060
They're coming to like your Twitter and leaving comments and that's how you're finding them?
04:37:06.540
I'm not understanding where they're coming from.
04:37:07.240
Like a Twitter live space or a Discord live space or a YouTube live space or places like this.
04:37:13.720
So you're just leaving a comment on somebody else's video and then...
04:37:16.840
No, I'm voice chatting with them like I am with you right now.
04:37:23.840
I just am not up with the technology or like what people are doing.
04:37:37.580
I just don't understand how they're finding you.
04:37:38.660
They come from all over the internet because I'm a really popular internet personality.
04:37:42.520
So when I host faces and things like this inside of popular platforms, lots of people want to come in and listen to them.
04:37:53.140
Well, I'm just saying like how we call like cult classics.
04:37:55.960
If you're talking about like from the observation of a cult of personality, sure.
04:37:59.900
But if you're talking about it from the observation of like a religious cult, absolutely not.
04:38:05.100
I'm just talking about you have a fan base of people who enjoy your thoughts or...
04:38:13.000
So I have fans and haters alike and I've talked with both extensively.
04:38:19.720
Based on the observations of both my personal life and then external life, including in the workplace, including in many different avenues,
04:38:25.640
I have seen that women very often can have emotional control but get a pass for not having emotional control.
04:38:45.700
So the thing is, it's like, no, nobody really...
04:38:49.960
First of all, I wouldn't marry my wife if she was like that.
04:38:54.500
Second of all, no, of course my mom wasn't like that.
04:38:57.560
My dad would have governed her behavior very quickly.
04:39:00.020
But it is something that you see very commonly in women.
04:39:09.120
I'm just asking, is there part of you that is longing for that not to be the case?
04:39:15.200
Would you enjoy a world in which women were no longer using...
04:39:20.420
Where women were no longer using emotional strategies to manipulate men.
04:39:24.920
The world would be better if women would stop doing like what you did earlier and try
04:39:32.440
Try to utilize emotions they're not even maybe really having as defense mechanisms.
04:39:36.200
You are now in my presence telling me what my motivation was for having an emotional experience.
04:39:46.900
Pretty interesting how easy you could turn the waterworks on and how easily you turned
04:39:53.620
So you have to understand, I have become a master at having my...
04:40:00.360
We don't have time to have a full breakdown right now, honey.
04:40:02.760
You got to just let out enough of the pressure to hold your shit together.
04:40:07.540
And then we got to get back to doing what we were doing.
04:40:12.000
When I was younger, I would have had a full breakdown and like, I used to pass out a lot.
04:40:19.860
That's how my body would take me out of the situation for a long period of time.
04:40:25.100
So none of that was emotional manipulation, the truth.
04:40:29.340
So then sticking your ass in my face was not supposed to be emotional manipulation?
04:40:39.300
So you were trying to do emotional manipulation.
04:40:44.120
Because that time is the time I can hold you to account with an example you cannot refuse.
04:40:49.200
But that doesn't mean that these other things that you're saying, they're not great examples
04:40:54.100
Just because I can't give it such an obvious representation that there's no way for you
04:40:58.720
to refute it, so you have to admit it, doesn't mean that that's not what's been going
04:41:02.300
Well, I just want you to know that it is my honest truth that the crying part was genuine
04:41:12.700
And honestly, I was on the fence about even coming.
04:41:18.620
And I was having moments where I was like, okay, I can't handle this.
04:41:33.900
I would rather just us talk about fun topics without it having to be like, your opinion
04:41:39.860
Yeah, but that wasn't even really how it started.
04:41:43.360
The first sets of questions weren't even really revolving around debate, but just trying to
04:41:50.140
Now that we understand how you think, we got to the point where you're making accusations
04:41:56.620
You're being held to account for the horrible things you were saying.
04:42:01.120
That's why I think that it might be a tactic for emotional manipulation.
04:42:04.660
The second you were being held to account for, I said all kinds of horrible things to
04:42:09.660
you guys, which maybe weren't even justified, but just based on my feelings, now I'm using...
04:42:27.640
I don't really see how this is relevant, but...
04:42:29.520
It's relevant because we can just cut to the chase.
04:42:32.300
If you both believe I'm a liar, then it doesn't matter what I say.
04:42:38.320
You're going to always say that I cried to manipulate you because you believe I'm a liar.
04:42:43.480
So what would be the point of me defending that?
04:42:50.720
Well, I believe I've caught you in multiple lies and you're a manipulator.
04:42:55.460
But that's only based on my experience with you in the last few hours we've been here.
04:43:06.820
You said that the justification for why you think me and Andrew should cease to exist,
04:43:12.900
is because we are propagating certain things, certain negative things, I suppose,
04:43:21.660
Can you articulate precisely what it is we are propagating?
04:43:25.080
I mean, I have shared explicitly with you throughout messages,
04:43:45.560
so I would like to actually gauge your concern and active listening to the extensive explanations
04:43:56.560
You think I've committed your walls of texts and paragraphs to memory?
04:44:02.020
Why don't you just, instead of wasting time, instead of saying,
04:44:04.700
Brian, you just do the work and go through the, like, literally not the novel of text you've sent me,
04:44:11.600
and you can outline, just give me three things that me and Andrew are propagating,
04:44:20.020
It's very complex issues, hence why I wrote you so much.
04:44:31.580
It's even a fallacious thinking pattern, because it's the fallacy of irreducible complexity.
04:44:38.760
So the way that this is fallacious thinking in and of itself is to say,
04:44:42.100
I cannot explain this to you because it's so complex.
04:44:46.560
It cannot be reduced down to, you know, these other things.
04:44:50.160
But every premise, every thought, everything in existence, which I can see,
04:44:54.400
starts with some principle, some core aspect of itself that we can reduce it down to,
04:45:05.740
I'll exit the convo, let you guys talk, but it just seems like it's fallacious thinking.
04:45:20.480
Can you try to articulate what we are propagating?
04:45:55.560
Having the intention of creating discord for the purpose of extorting something from that discord.
04:46:07.280
meaning gaining off of the atmosphere that you're creating.
04:46:21.600
Okay, so due to the perceived hostility of myself and Andrew and this podcast, you think that that is enough pretext for us to be ceasing to exist?
04:46:37.240
Well, if we were two generations ago, I would say you guys are fine.
04:46:44.200
It's no different than MMA fighting or all this stuff that guys do.
04:46:48.740
But because of the particular propaganda being indoctrinated into the youth right now, specifically, I don't believe they're psychologically able to handle what this show is propagating at large.
04:47:15.740
Live conversations among consenting adults who have a wide variety of worldviews and opinions will have liberal women, will have conservative women, will have moderate women on the show.
04:47:30.440
Although sometimes I'm not even involved in the disagreements, there'll be a conservative girl going after a liberal girl, a liberal girl going after a conservative girl.
04:47:39.660
So, I don't see how that is in any way damaging whatsoever.
04:47:46.080
Also, if you have some objection to this, you know, I have, relatively speaking, in the grand scheme of things, fairly little influence compared to, for example, the Goliath that is, you know, if you want to talk about propaganda,
04:48:03.320
the Goliath that is institutions like the university system in this country.
04:48:09.700
Sorry, I'm just checking on my kids because it's 20 past eight.
04:48:13.840
So, why aren't you like, you know, I have a fairly small audience.
04:48:23.000
There are massive systems out there in the United States that have power that far exceeds mine, that has influence that far exceeds mine.
04:48:32.360
For example, you look at the university system.
04:48:34.700
Every single university system in this country is steeped in feminism.
04:48:38.960
Feminism has its claws, not just in the university system.
04:48:42.400
These are institutions, systems, journalism, media, news, government, corporation.
04:48:48.540
Well, feminism has its claws in all of these institutions and systems.
04:48:55.260
I am independently funded by myself, and I have some very generous contributors, you know, who watch the show, fan funding.
04:49:04.180
If we just look at the university, we remove corporations, we remove news, media, government.
04:49:11.560
They have billion-dollar endowments, and all of them have feminist study programs, women's studies program, gender study program.
04:49:21.540
And the enrollment rate, there's millions and millions of women and men in these university systems that are indoctrinated by these very systems.
04:49:32.480
So you think because I have a somewhat entertainment-focused dating podcast that sometimes gets into feminism, politics, culture war stuff, that this is a more...
04:49:50.440
Brian, it's simply because I personally bumped up against you.
04:49:58.720
Did we reach out to you, or did you reach out to us?
04:50:01.560
I did, and I have to believe that there was a reason why.
04:50:09.220
I just think that I was drawn to you because I could see your aliveness, you could say.
04:50:27.140
You interest me, and I was interested in giving you the opportunity to shift things just a little bit.
04:50:39.480
Just shift things to a little bit more of a fair discussion where it's not like this energy of you two as being the professionals at everything.
04:50:54.520
But just like a genuine, this is my perspective, this is your perspective, it's not necessarily the perspective of the show.
04:51:02.040
But it's just when you create this hostile environment with all these women, you create polls, who's the good girl, who's the one everybody likes, and you play on all of their traumas, essentially.
04:51:14.260
Obviously, you put women into that kind of hysterical, emotional place, and then you guys, you are not affected by that.
04:51:23.000
So then, they're trauma responding, they're turning against each other, and you two are just, and this is why everybody loves this and not this.
04:51:32.660
And it's just, the young minds can't see through that.
04:51:35.580
They can't see that there's an agenda behind that.
04:51:37.920
I would have actually have been happy to have engaged in the beginning of this conversation by doing exactly what you're now saying to do.
04:51:49.060
To have a free flow conversation based on worldview paradigms so that you can understand where I was coming from, why I think what I think.
04:51:57.100
And I can understand where you're coming from and why you think what you think.
04:52:01.140
And then you could have come up with that idea that you have here of a solution, where it's not pitting people against each other, this and that.
04:52:08.760
But try to think of the adversarial nature of just asking some of these women basic questions about what it is they believe and how defensive they become.
04:52:22.740
And so it seems that we're to always have an unfair advantage while everybody around us is to always have some type of advantage over us.
04:52:33.620
It's a very bizarre dynamic which is requested versus when the tables are turned.
04:52:40.180
And it's like, okay, well, I'll meet you where you want.
04:52:44.080
I'd like for you to actually see why I think what I think because I can justify a lot of it and it would make a lot of sense.
04:52:55.020
It's because it's not that I'm not interested in your worldview.
04:52:59.000
I believed I already had enough of the information.
04:53:01.860
I didn't believe that you were going to share with me anything about your worldview that I didn't already know.
04:53:06.960
So then how can your criticism of Brian, who you say you're going to be the authority on it, you're going to say this is why people like this and don't like that, right?
04:53:19.200
You're saying you don't know that, though, Brian.
04:53:22.460
You don't know that these other people don't know these other things.
04:53:24.940
The very first assumption you make, I already know your worldview.
04:53:29.700
I guess, like I said, maybe my toxic trait is psychologically profiling people and making judgments before I even let them speak.
04:53:40.300
Because I just noticed over time that people are literally full of shit.
04:53:51.540
And sometimes it sounds crazy to other people because they don't have my fucking mental illness going on that I do.
04:54:00.940
The mental illness of my obsessiveness about very particular things.
04:54:12.380
So psychological profiling is interesting in the fact that it's highly ineffective, generally, because it's very difficult to apply over a broad birth, even if you're looking for specific things.
04:54:23.520
That's why you can psychologically profile what a serial killer would be, but very difficult to apply to find one.
04:54:39.060
Your psychological profiling is not the thing which identifies them.
04:54:42.500
The thing is, we can call it autism in me, or we can call it just the extreme trauma of having to survive in conditions that no child or human was ever designed to survive.
04:55:00.360
I thought the green monster was in Boston at Fenway Park, but nope, it snuck into Santa Barbara at the Whatever Podcast.
04:55:30.840
A woman that promotes and encourages sex work says she's accountable and yet condemns Brian's behavior.
04:55:46.620
I mean, you said that we don't really ever, like, change our mind on anything, but, I mean, we've tried to, uh...
04:55:59.880
In what fashion would you want your children to be unalived?
04:56:08.560
Surely you have a preference for disagreeing with you.
04:56:11.260
This is in response to you saying that if your children conducted themselves in the way that me and Andrew...
04:56:17.480
Like, if they became sociopaths or psychopaths and were creating harm to society.
04:56:27.860
Sorry, I had the alerts pause there accidentally for a bit.
04:56:31.780
You said even your own children, if they were like me and Andrew, you would want them.
04:56:41.540
If my children presented as psychopaths or sociopaths and got to the level of creating more societal harm than could be contained, then yes, I would not want them here anymore.
04:56:56.580
I mean, and do you think me and Andrew are on that level of societal harm?
04:57:13.860
Well, remember, I had said if we were just discussing it up until this point, but there's still a lot beyond this point.
04:57:21.980
So, I do have a corner of my mind open to the possibility that you are not as bad as I'm thinking and perhaps I'm just really misunderstanding and could be wrong.
04:57:35.380
I don't think you're going to walk away from this podcast having learned anything.
04:57:38.800
I think you're going to just dig your heels in.
04:57:41.020
You're going to continue your train of thoughts on these matters.
04:57:45.200
You're going to continue threatening frivolous and vexatious legal action against me and Kit.
04:57:52.720
Actually, on that topic really quick, would you, in an effort to get to be vindictive and get revenge on somebody?
04:58:06.860
Does she prefer they get shot, drowned, thrown off a cliff, light them on fire, run them over a car, or et cetera?
04:58:30.120
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04:58:34.020
Warning, this book may cause you to lift your dress and sexually assault a man you because you feel disrespected by his words.
04:58:43.920
Really quick, I guess, to go back to my question.
04:58:49.980
So if you felt either perceived or real, if somebody, you feel like you had a grievance against somebody,
04:59:00.380
do you think it would warrant bringing a vexatious lawsuit?
04:59:09.200
Denoting an action or the bringer of an action that is brought without sufficient grounds for winning purely to cause annoyance to the defendant.
04:59:19.660
I only pursue things that I'm very serious about.
04:59:22.400
Right, so what, so are your legal threats empty or do you actually intend to file a lawsuit against me?
04:59:28.840
Well, I have to see if this episode actually makes restitution for the custody situation that I'm in.
04:59:39.420
Because I need to show the court that I was not supporting or in agreement with the way that I was portrayed on the last episode.
04:59:51.640
So I have to do something one way or the other.
04:59:56.220
So this show might very well clear the air by however it goes.
05:00:02.900
If that's fine, I have no reason to pursue anything.
05:00:08.520
You're saying if you can show the court that you're suing because you weren't portrayed correctly,
05:00:15.720
that the court will then be more lenient towards you or in some way see your case better.
05:00:22.980
But literally, if that is true, then what you're saying is,
05:00:29.340
Brian, I will sue you out of the convenience of self-interest so that I look better in my personal life for this thing that's going on in my personal life.
05:00:38.500
No, it's because literally this is the way it works.
05:00:46.780
If all of your children came to the conclusion that God wanted them to live like Andrew or Brian wouldn't,
05:00:55.520
Would you be worthy of unaliving at that point?
05:00:58.080
I'm going to pause the TTS temporarily so she can respond.
05:01:03.820
So the thing is, is you just laid out that essentially you would sue Brian for the purposes of being able to prove to the court that you were portrayed incorrectly,
05:01:13.340
so this would be completely self-interest in your personal life.
05:01:18.020
So you might not think Brian actually deserves it, but that you were portrayed...
05:01:21.020
No, it would actually be in the interest of my children, not myself.
05:01:24.120
Yeah, but what about the harm that that would do to Brian who in no way would deserve that?
05:01:30.660
I cannot be worried about a grown-ass man and the consequences he might have out in the business world.
05:01:36.720
I'm only responsible for taking care of myself and my children.
05:01:40.180
If I need to make a move that might fall unfavorably on Brian in order to protect me and my children, yes, I'm going to do it.
05:01:51.520
Again, I am only responsible for my children, number one, and then obviously myself has to be here to be able to take care of the children.
05:02:03.480
So you'll fuck a person over specifically for the betterment of your children?
05:02:09.760
Now, if the show didn't go the way that it did, I would never be in this position in the first place.
05:02:26.960
And that's the thing is the idea of portrayal in a certain light.
05:02:31.280
What if you actually were portrayed in a way that you acted?
05:02:37.260
But even knowing you were portrayed fairly, you thought that this would have negative ramifications on your kids if you didn't sue, would you still sue?
05:02:50.680
Even if you thought you were portrayed fairly, if the court thought that that looked bad, would you still sue because that would do well by your kids?
05:03:04.320
So it looked bad, but you thought you were portrayed fairly.
05:03:08.660
If I really believed that that was an accurate portrayal of who I am as a person, even if the court was like, what the fuck is this?
05:03:19.380
The only reason I would stand up against it to hold anybody accountable or at least to make a stand that I am at least attempting to hold him accountable.
05:03:30.780
But at least I'm showing I don't agree with how they portrayed me.
05:03:41.240
Because I feel I have explained things so many times and it's just like you don't want to get it.
05:03:46.820
Let me, okay, let me ask you a couple questions.
05:03:49.620
Of all the things that you said tonight and on your previous appearance on the dating talk show,
05:04:09.080
It was, first of all, I am autistic legitimately.
05:04:24.900
I saw you get very upset when we thought that there was a nip slip.
05:04:29.480
And I could see in you, I'm just trying to have a point of connection.
05:04:34.960
I can understand why there would be this kind of really reaction in you.
05:04:43.380
My autistic self, and I'm not blaming you for this, but my autistic self was on a mission.
05:04:51.300
I thought this was a particular situation I was getting into.
05:04:55.300
I come here and it's not at all that situation I thought.
05:05:02.420
And then when that happened, just because I do have these certain sensitivities.
05:05:12.360
And from there, I was literally just mama bear, like trauma responding.
05:05:19.540
These guys are, this is not what we thought it was, girls.
05:05:25.440
I'm simply saying that was what was invoked in me.
05:05:33.320
That wasn't who I would want to portray myself.
05:05:42.980
I believe you took a misstep in not properly vetting people who would have like PTSD symptoms,
05:05:53.300
autism, different neural divergences that would make a difference with how they're communicating.
05:06:03.240
It is your fault for getting this deeply into personal topics with women and not vetting them psychologically.
05:06:18.120
You realize that we have, in a given week, we have two shows.
05:06:22.760
We have typically, I mean, the panels tend to be between eight to ten people.
05:06:27.320
You want me to do a psychological, which I'm not capable.
05:06:34.560
It could be like, do you have a history of PTSD, for example?
05:06:39.040
Do you have any mental disorders that are under care?
05:06:43.300
Brian wouldn't even be qualified to judge the measurement, even if they answered yes.
05:06:48.520
But I'm just saying, at least then you would have attempted to-
05:06:56.160
Like Andrew said, I wouldn't be qualified to even make that assessment to begin with.
05:07:01.140
And then secondly, if I barred all people who had any even perceived mental illness,
05:07:07.800
then I would just simply, you'd probably attack me for not being inclusive and allowing people of different,
05:07:14.600
who are not neurotypical, it would not be inclusive to bring, to only bring on neurotypical people.
05:07:23.640
I just thought it was very interesting how, at the beginning of this show, you made a big deal about, like,
05:07:29.180
does anybody have the nigger card, the black card?
05:07:37.980
Nick does a pre-show thing and he says, don't say these words.
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And that's a white woman, by the way, who just dropped the hard R.
05:07:56.040
To bring it back to you wanting me to do a psychological assessment of people.
05:08:22.680
We don't want people saying that sort of stuff on stream.
05:08:28.700
So, we have 20 people, 20 new people, every single week moving through the studio.
05:08:36.560
So, we get up anywhere from, we'll get for a given day, five to ten flakes.
05:08:42.260
There's no practical way that I could do a psychological assessment on all these.
05:08:46.680
I could literally give you like a five questions that you could ask that would vet them better, at least.
05:08:53.000
Because you guys are getting into digging into their psyche, their ideology.
05:08:57.140
Most of the women who come on are totally fine.
05:09:03.260
So, it's just, I don't even understand your position.
05:09:09.100
So, you're saying we should have done that with you to have precluded you from coming on.
05:09:14.380
Or at least you would have known to properly say, for example.
05:09:18.320
How about it should be your duty to say, I'm not prepared to have a conversation on a podcast.
05:09:28.860
Well, the thing is, Brian, we didn't just have a conversation.
05:09:32.500
You literally did an act, a hostile work environment cussing act, that literally, if you had an HR, you would not get away with that.
05:09:47.540
There's a French monarch, and he said something along the lines of, l'état c'est moi.
05:09:59.900
I'm just saying that that was not appropriate behavior.
05:10:05.520
Your entire conduct before the show, which we went into on the show, was inappropriate behavior.
05:10:10.980
You want to talk about professionalism, inappropriate behavior.
05:10:16.300
On June 16th, did you send to me, without my consent or permission, did you send a nude photograph of yourself to me, to whatever Instagram page?
05:10:34.780
A, an un, did you send, on June 16th, did you send a nude photograph to the whatever Instagram page that, like, what's it called?
05:10:55.420
On June 16th, did you send an unsolicited nude photograph to the whatever Instagram page?
05:11:03.320
So why are you asking me if you already know I did?
05:11:05.380
You, you, well, because he's wondering if, if you had taken the time to have him answer a series of psyche-evalued questions so that you would know if his emotional state could take you sending him a nude picture or not.
05:11:19.760
Did you take the time to have him fill out a psych form before you sent him that nude picture?
05:11:25.820
I asked him, I asked him many personal questions about himself.
05:11:28.920
Yeah, but did you take the time to ask him if he would have PTSD from having an unsolicited, imagine the trauma that could be caused.
05:11:35.360
Well, why don't we read all the messages leading up to that?
05:11:39.660
Yeah, perhaps some horrible things had happened in the past to Brian, which have caused PTSD.
05:11:45.420
Can you read what I was saying up until the nude?
05:11:53.100
But no, I never, you didn't ask for permission to send it.
05:11:59.500
Brian, would you say that this has caused you some PTSD?
05:12:09.340
Having random women send you unsolicited nudes doesn't seem, doesn't seem like.
05:12:18.700
I mean, I don't want to from people who I have on the show.
05:12:24.260
You did get me there because I'm big on consent.
05:12:39.740
I got you back for any problems I had with you.
05:12:58.540
You do admit to having had sent a unsolicited nude to the whatever Instagram page that I saw?
05:13:06.880
I don't have it up to see what around the context.
05:13:13.620
I don't know why you find this to be a laughing matter.
05:13:20.420
But see, you want to, like, play this game of, like, well, Brian, here's how you don't always conduct yourself perfectly.
05:13:43.240
I apparently sent you an unsolicited nude, which is, like, a sexual assault.
05:13:55.660
And I like you guys, and I agreed to come because, as hard as it is for me, because, again, I don't get challenged that much.
05:14:03.540
And we can call that my female privilege, my pretty female privilege, or whatever the fuck you want to call it.
05:14:08.600
But I don't often feel stimulated by the males that are out here right now.
05:14:19.100
And you guys at least stimulated some part of me that wanted to engage again.
05:14:34.180
No, because you did actually get me on a point that I couldn't deny.
05:14:50.580
See, I like the checks and balances that men and women bring each other.
05:14:55.840
I only ever wanted to, like, okay, let's talk about, like, heated stuff and passionate stuff.
05:15:12.580
You remember, like, a couple weeks ago, me and Brian were eating a cheeseburger.
05:15:18.920
And he was like, no, bro, grab the ketchup yourself.
05:15:21.040
And so I've been fucking launching lawsuits ever since that were frivolous and vexatious.
05:15:29.380
Listen, Karen, okay, I don't have the same access to him.
05:15:34.980
This is all I had to engage and to say, basically, I feel very violated by this.
05:15:40.240
I just want, I need some sort of peace about what the fuck was that?
05:15:48.060
When there's a rupture in, psychologists call it a rupture.
05:15:58.500
No, I did it in order to make a statement for my own kind of moving forward, moving past it.
05:16:08.020
I needed to make a stance of, like, I did not like that at all.
05:16:17.960
But you kept on going until he did, to the point where you even sent a nude to him, right?
05:16:27.460
Yeah, but isn't that attention-seeking behavior?
05:16:37.580
It's a way for me to try to show a man, I'm not out to get you.
05:16:47.840
You want me and Andrew to not exist, and you're also threatening me with frivolous lawsuits.
05:16:57.820
You say that now, but just like the previous show, when we, I think, challenged you, oh,
05:17:03.560
you're just going to go out and talk a bunch of shit.
05:17:05.840
You posted, like, hundreds of stories about the Whatever podcast.
05:17:09.240
You've been sending novels to the Whatever Instagram page.
05:17:12.620
You're threatening frivolous and vexatious legal action.
05:17:20.060
And you say, I mean, frankly, my ideal would be that this is the end of our association.
05:17:31.080
And you go on with your life, and I go on with mine, and you're in the rearview mirror,
05:17:38.960
But I know you, you're going to be hemming and hawing about this for months to come.
05:17:43.940
You're going to be probably trying to, who knows what you're going to do, but.
05:17:52.360
I want you to just move on with your life and stop threatening legal action.
05:18:04.520
The wise woman, according to you, the wise woman once said, and this is your opening line
05:18:21.940
So how about you fuck off and go live happily ever after?
05:18:26.340
In any case, it would be nice to attempt to end things on a good note, but I don't think
05:18:38.200
in good faith you would actually be able to agree that this is the end of our association,
05:18:47.560
Why don't you just look into this camera right here?
05:18:49.720
This is a legally binding statement, although you did sign the talent, the waiver.
05:19:00.140
And I brought my no button and I had my little fits.
05:19:04.080
And I feel that looking into the camera, you, you agree to hold Brian Atlas and whatever
05:19:13.500
harmless of any claims now or in the future that may arise from your appearance on the
05:19:21.140
You disclaim any sort of, or you, um, I'm not a lawyer here.
05:19:32.120
Non-disclosure, but in any case, um, so you have my hope, my hope for you to, for you
05:19:39.900
would be, I mean, for the sake of yourself and I mean, trying to continue, continue to
05:19:45.480
pursue the whatever podcast, I don't think we'll be productive for you.
05:19:52.440
Well, you say that now, but well, didn't you write me up something to sign?
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Just look in the camera and say, I'm not going to sue whatever.
05:20:03.240
And I'm not going to bother Brian Atlas anymore.
05:20:04.980
And I'm not going to bother Brian Atlas anymore.
05:20:08.600
And I totally am responsible for sexual battery of Andrew Wilson.
05:20:12.360
And I am totally responsible for sexually assaulting the youth of America, apparently.
05:20:32.960
Values, um, values men, men's priorities primarily over women's.
05:20:42.760
Well, then I don't believe you're a misogynist.
05:20:58.020
Usually it's tailored towards hatred towards women.
05:21:03.360
I wouldn't say that I value the priorities of men over women.
05:21:05.920
I just think that men generally have priorities, which I support more than women's.
05:21:13.160
But you're saying, no, you're not a misogynist.
05:21:25.620
Honestly, I really hate most people, to be honest.
05:21:33.720
Do you want to walk back your statements about me and Andrew?
05:21:46.120
I hope that you, this is going to be so much, so fucking expensive, this kind of psychological
05:22:00.240
I wrote the book just to help people survive the trauma of being in my presence.
05:22:04.220
This is bringing back childhood memories of when women often, without my consent, would
05:22:17.020
I could help you work through that later if you want.
05:22:22.100
I would rather drink turpentine and piss on a brush fire.
05:22:26.400
This is going to be the roast segment if you guys want.
05:22:28.720
Before that though, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
05:22:40.220
I think it's probably been bugged again since then though.
05:22:42.940
Can you guys just test out and see if a Prime sub will come through?
05:22:51.300
And then, if you enjoyed the discourse on this show.
05:23:03.080
It's a course that you should buy and you should take and learn because.
05:23:14.980
I don't do life coaching at all of any kind ever.
05:23:18.740
People want to pay me thousands of dollars to give them advice and I won't do it.
05:23:26.740
It's because of this fucking pesky-ass actual ethical code that I have.
05:23:40.020
It's extremely high quality and we hope you guys pick up the course.
05:23:50.460
We also do have a members only group, monthly Q&A sessions with Andrew and I'll also be hosting
05:23:56.380
those and should we just for, we don't have time to play the trailer, but maybe later, but we need to let the TTSs come through.
05:25:06.160
If you enjoyed this, this is not one of our usual streams, but I hope you enjoyed it nevertheless.
05:25:22.360
Desiree, I'm going to buy you a ticket to fly you out to Miami so you can see my boy fresh and he can blast inside of you.
05:25:47.740
Okay, the unsolicited nudes, every once in a while, you catch the person in the right mood, and it's just, like, a fun time.
05:25:57.400
I didn't send them to the married guy, for God's sake.
05:26:08.120
I have a sense censor to smack upside my head, and I need to go to confession after all of this.
05:26:16.800
Desiree, you need help and prayers, and an exorcism.
05:26:25.980
Man's underscore job underscore, but underscore like underscore friends donated $69.
05:26:35.260
Does protecting women mean allowing them to do slash say whatever they want, even if it's detrimental to them?
05:26:41.680
Or should it also include trying to show them they could be wrong in what they're doing slash saying?
05:26:46.440
Correct, just like when Brian, I was really proud of him, because he finally did bring something to me that I knew he was right on.
05:26:57.540
He put me in my place, so hence why I submitted.
05:27:32.100
Which lethal injection do you want to use to unalive your children?
05:27:50.320
I would send them through the legal system and let it happen how it happens.
05:27:55.100
You know, I would at least take the lame dog out to the farm myself.
05:28:08.660
I just am not quite crazy enough to actually be willing to...
05:28:23.320
I would not enable them to get away with crimes.
05:28:31.700
There's women probably that do the lethal injections in the courts.
05:28:34.440
But anyway, point being, I'm simply saying I wouldn't ever hide evidence or anything like
05:28:40.760
that that would keep my children from being held accountable for the crimes that they may
05:28:47.500
I would want them to get prosecuted to the full extent of the law if they were guilty
05:28:56.060
The crimes against humanity that would warrant being sentenced to death.
05:29:01.700
Have me and Andrew done crimes against humanity?
05:29:07.760
I'm pretty sure that you've committed crimes against humanity.
05:29:22.380
You really don't want to be on that guy's side.
05:29:39.040
I think her five commandments would stimulate Beavo to cuck for her.
05:29:43.100
Also, imagine if this woman and that 33-year-old from Tuesday were on the same show.
05:30:29.160
Desiree, I do believe, as you self-described, that you having mental issues.
05:30:33.340
But I think part of this intentional and calculated trolling and clout hoeing.
05:30:55.120
Desiree has not learned anything from this and will turn as soon as she leaves.
05:31:00.020
Sorry, we couldn't read the rest of that fluke.
05:31:07.280
It's easy, I mean, to just say in person, oh, yeah, I'll just move on.
05:32:01.140
You will find your picture right next to the words cognitive dissonance.
05:32:15.520
Now, there's some that might have not come through.
05:33:08.360
Well, hey, Optimus Prime Girl, thank you for the echo, I guess.
05:33:29.800
J.R., do you know the story of Kurt Cobain, please?
05:33:34.540
Okay, so I can tell you really quick the synopsis of the Kurt Cobain history.
05:33:47.460
Brian, the Grand Inquisitor informs he hasn't received the autographed blue-white cup with certificate of authenticity.
05:34:17.260
Prediction Sunday or Monday, Mark Kelly, Vice President pick.
05:34:46.520
All right, Desiree, I don't know if you guys really caught this.
05:34:58.140
I actually really have been wanting a Bible, and I'm so cheap because I used to have a million
05:35:15.340
My kids started listening to me a lot better when I got this.
05:35:24.400
Brian and Du, not sure how you gents were able to deal with Desiree this long.
05:35:34.880
You know, I'd like to reference a verse in the Bible, Proverbs 2119.
05:35:41.640
It is better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
05:35:49.420
She doesn't want the nudes, and he doesn't want me to nag him.
05:35:54.740
Concealed man, so basically reversed her core value she was abiding by at the end after they
05:36:00.180
That's all the psychopath needed to heal her trauma.
05:36:11.540
Sorry, I'm just trying to get my back comfortable.
05:36:13.900
She was abiding by at the end after they told her to F off.
05:36:16.340
That's all the psychopath needed to heal her trauma.
05:36:30.320
You put your ass in Andrew's face in person during a live, and you sent a nude to Brian
05:36:44.840
I will say that we do take liberties because, for the most part, any and all flirtatious banter
05:37:04.680
I'm in a playful mood, and I'm just sharing that with the man that's in my aura right then,
05:37:11.900
assuming he's not married or anything like that.
05:37:14.100
I use it for that, or if I'm trying to shift the mood into a more playful space.
05:37:19.000
So if you want to call that manipulation tactics and evil, okay.
05:37:23.820
But I don't do it with malice aforethought or to do anything other than try to reach a
05:37:31.720
man to have better communication with him for the purpose of reconciling, like, coming
05:37:38.660
Like, there was something not right in our relating, and I just want to clear the air.
05:37:44.780
I really like to clear the air as I go with people.
05:37:48.420
Like, maybe you can reconcile, because you're in the playful mood, right?
05:37:55.360
If there was ever to be reciprocation of me to a woman who wasn't my wife, what the fuck
05:38:02.800
would ever make you think it would be with you?
05:38:09.500
Honestly, I felt in that moment, my intention was not to, like, turn you on or think that
05:38:17.100
No, but, like, don't you think I could get a way hotter chick than you?
05:38:56.000
The alcohol in and of itself is a mind-altering substance.
05:39:01.160
Why does everybody only call it, like, drugging something if you add something else to it?
05:39:15.200
Can she confirm or deny her giving drugs to the girl next to her on her last appearance?
05:39:27.240
There have been times in my life where I have considered,
05:39:34.940
And then I am so freaking straight-edged for my whole life.
05:39:38.760
I'm literally the bitch that's calling people, like,
05:39:48.560
That's really the only substance that I use besides, you know, alcohol here and there.
05:39:55.120
Where does one go and get cocaine, for example?
05:40:09.940
When I first left my ex-husband five years ago, I didn't know how to find porn.
05:40:23.820
I do it because, to be honest with you, I was in a relationship where I couldn't even feel like a woman.
05:40:30.240
I couldn't even make eye contact with another man without getting abused.
05:40:35.420
Yeah, but having heard your idea of what abuse is, I'm not confident that I share...
05:40:40.340
It was basically me going through my adolescence.
05:40:47.880
With you self-admitting, you suffer from a variety of mental health issues.
05:40:51.900
What makes your ex or even the state less qualified than you in caring for your children?
05:41:04.100
I mean, you're letting these questions come through and you know my story.
05:41:06.660
So I don't know why you would let them come through.
05:41:14.980
I would not be playful with you trying to put your blank on my husband.
05:41:22.260
Where's your apology to me for traumatizing me?
05:41:27.500
I should have made the extra steps and done it to Brian.
05:41:33.340
So that wouldn't have been assaulting another woman at least.
05:41:39.160
If it was Annie, if it was you or me who did that to a female panelist...
05:41:45.900
The cops would have come literally on the sex detention registry.
05:42:14.680
Now I'm just going to promote my OnlyFans because that's fun.
05:42:17.500
So do you guys want to ask me OnlyFans questions?
05:42:19.780
Why aren't they asking me, like, what type of content I have?
05:43:24.940
It's going to be $30 TTS if you guys want to get it in.
05:43:56.260
If all of your children came to the conclusion...
05:44:05.420
Oh, just read it, and then I can answer it in that way.
05:44:09.040
If all of your children came to the conclusion that God wanted them to live...
05:44:40.740
Yeah, because that was all that was in the fucking fridge, because Brian doesn't keep
05:44:48.420
Andrew was so mad that there wasn't real beer in there that he smashed the first one
05:44:54.560
Andrew, have you ever been a part of anger management?
05:44:57.860
Threw it on the ground, but then he's like, damn, I need beer.
05:45:14.560
When you said piss, it reminded me of the Dumb and Dumber scene where he drinks the
05:45:28.380
I don't even know these freaking words that the kids use these days.
05:45:38.860
They tell me what the words mean, because I'm not really sure these days.
05:45:49.220
Let's watch the trailer to Debate University, I think.
05:46:22.980
So, I teach a 12-week course called Dream Builder.
05:46:29.500
Well, DebateUniversity.com, Nick, if you're able to pull it up.
05:46:36.900
Yeah, show the site, then we'll do the trailer.
05:46:42.220
Psychopaths may exhibit a lack of empathy or remorse and can be impulsive, manipulative, and deceitful.
05:46:51.380
Sad, she's trying to preach her BS to you guys.
05:47:07.880
And the Crucible have been added to the ammo budget.
05:47:28.820
And if you get added to the ammo budget, then that means...
05:47:40.920
That means no matter what, you always have to have the ammo.
05:47:54.300
Or are we talking about like psychological ammo?
05:47:59.760
I only really know woman code, and I'm just filling in the gaps with what is man code.
05:48:08.600
There it is, and then there's a trailer that you guys can watch, which we're going to play
05:48:12.860
Are you sick of not being able to defend your position?
05:48:30.420
Your job is not to back off and allow them to maintain their false ideas.
05:48:38.520
I understand it's nebulous, but I'm also not the one who's making the affirmative claim
05:48:56.820
Honestly, does your dad say, thank you for prostituting yourself so I have air conditioning?
05:49:02.160
Well, now as we, hang on again, let me finish my turn.
05:49:07.060
By the way, you say that you can't make a deterministic statement, which is a deterministic
05:49:15.840
Debate is a weapon, especially in the 21st century when living in the information age.
05:49:30.460
That's the stupidest thing I've heard out of you tonight.
05:49:42.420
Do you think it would be interesting if we offered, like, viewers, if they, well, they
05:49:48.780
Maybe this is among the people who have the program.
05:49:51.800
If any of them are editors and they, like, chop up, like, you know how movies will have
05:49:57.040
No, I thought we were going to announce the, we were going to announce the, what was it?
05:50:05.800
It's like, what I want to do is take the top 10 edits.
05:50:12.640
The winner, I'll give them $250, a whatever hoodie, and a Crucible hoodie.
05:50:27.660
And I was thinking maybe, like, a year of the membership for the.
05:50:30.940
Yeah, well, they get the course for free, of course.
05:50:33.420
Well, but they would, like, we also want to give them, like, actual segments from the
05:50:40.860
No, they make, no, not for the, it's not necessary for the trailer.
05:50:52.560
Yeah, you want the best clips for debate that we can possibly get.
05:50:56.240
Well, there's that, but then there's also, like, we would want to splice in segments from
05:51:06.280
I mean, so there's different kinds of trailers.
05:51:16.220
I'm happy to see Debate University getting released.
05:51:25.620
I just had to hide that specific one, but thank you for the patronage.
05:51:34.680
Hearing Andrew has been swatted makes me want to support you guys even more.
05:51:41.340
This DGN has demonstrated every reason to know have custody.
05:51:51.860
Andrew knew he would get cooked if he brought up epistemology again.
05:51:56.280
Desiree has a PhD in the study of the epistles.
05:52:06.360
Hey, at least they're getting more intellectual.
05:52:08.560
Your strategy on this podcast was to come on and make yourself look better to the courts
05:52:13.200
by saying you'd kill your kids by lethal injection if you didn't like their life.
05:52:19.880
It was so that the court would know I would hold my own children to the same accountability
05:52:31.980
Desiree, your dress looks like an ugly green window valance.
05:52:37.940
Since you don't understand Gen Z, Skibbity Toil at Rizzler.
05:52:48.320
I was going to say, it does look like you're wearing a curtain.
05:52:50.760
By the way, Swift Tim, I do appreciate your support on that.
05:52:53.760
Yeah, you should, I mean, you guys can see some of what goes on on the shows that me
05:53:00.740
I asked what you guys wanted me to wear and you weren't getting back to me.
05:53:04.500
You see what happens on the show that me and Andrew have to deal with.
05:53:08.540
I can tell you that's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what Andrew deals with, what
05:53:13.760
You think what goes on the show stresses us out?
05:53:16.180
It's everything that you never hear about that happens behind the scenes.
05:53:22.760
The conversations, while sometimes can be annoying or frustrating.
05:53:38.140
It's what you see on the show is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to like the nonsense
05:53:59.840
Anyways, let me let these come through and then we will try to wrap up here.
05:54:08.180
Just joined and clearly I have missed some juiciness.
05:54:13.940
Andrew, thank you for destroying that clown destiny.
05:54:27.000
S. I only caught the last 45 minutes of the convo.
05:54:30.780
I didn't realize her ex was a creep, so that's my bad.
05:54:42.880
I think she's an undercover CIA or this is a skit.
05:55:01.440
She would be a likable person if she wasn't a 304.
05:55:05.600
I'd watch her if she was dressed like an Amish woman doing house chores.
05:55:14.000
Was this before or after she wanted me and Andrew to cease to exist and the legal threats?
05:55:25.020
I invited on the hawk to a girl, but no response.
05:55:34.080
Hell for the planet, because I know a certain percentage of you degenerates watching will
05:55:52.040
Reacting to this debate tonight is going to be a doozy.
05:55:56.100
I think that she is the problem in society, and I think that she should be deleted.
05:56:12.520
Nick, whatever are you wearing on your right hip?
05:56:39.780
The reason that you need to buy that book, even though it's Rachel's birthday, is because
05:56:47.840
It's impressive how you exploit others while hiding behind a facade of confidence.
05:56:54.220
Promoting sex work and manipulating people shows your true colors.
05:56:58.920
Try being a better example for your child instead.
05:57:07.420
In this podcast, she admitted to multiple counts of SA.
05:57:37.500
I'm watching this on the watch party with Rachel on the crucible and Lady E dropped the N-bomb
05:57:42.660
and said a black girl was there earlier all, so she apologized to Rachel then flirted with
05:57:58.220
My dad always told me that I should not be so nice to guys or they would think I was flirting.
05:58:10.120
Andrew, if she's right, then each person is God.
05:58:23.160
Andrew, do you recommend any history of the Bible books from one of your previous conversations
05:58:37.500
Andrew and O'Brien would love to buy you a burger and a beer if you're ever up north in SLO.
05:58:55.800
Or San Luis Obispo is like an hour past, I think, the Chumash.
05:59:02.560
But the answer to that previous super chat, there's a limited edition you can still find.
05:59:06.320
It's kind of rare now, but it's called Biblica.
05:59:21.300
Carmela slept her way to the top, wants to defund the police, give free health care to illegals.
05:59:27.720
Carmela is a socialist and a threat to our republic.
05:59:36.400
I didn't really feel like it was too contentious with her, honestly.
05:59:40.080
I mean, I thought it was a good conversation, but I think we'll make sure...
05:59:46.640
Desiree, as a lawyer, how did you think this was a good idea if you actually are in a custody dispute?
05:59:52.900
Do you worry about your kids seeing this and their friends teasing them, praying for you?
06:00:02.340
So, it was, am I concerned about my kids seeing this?
06:00:08.620
And then, no, my kids aren't really the type that give a shit about people's opinions.
06:00:18.260
If they had some sort of issue with it, we would just talk through it like we do anything else.
06:00:22.220
They know I'm a public figure and that I get criticized a lot for my viewpoints.
06:00:27.000
So, it's kind of just our normal family culture.
06:00:43.580
Cumash Casino is about 45 minutes north of you.
06:00:47.500
San Luis Obispo is about an hour and 15 minutes north of the casino.
06:00:52.260
No, for Rachel's birthday, I'm grabbing the rocks.
06:01:11.880
Andrew, if she is right and each person is God and you are also God, does that mean God
06:01:19.700
Also, can you throw out a, this is what men do?
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Thanks to the crucible for doing the Lord's work.
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If you want, guys, get your last minute messages in.
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This probably went on a lot longer than she thought.
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I really appreciate your guys' support and patronage.
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I know this was kind of a sort of unannounced, kind of random show on a Thursday.
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You guys seem, I mean, the viewership was really good.
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Just saw the stream with Andrew Wife on the Crucible.
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You have a Nick post saying age wasn't the problem when you lost your virginity at 13.
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When you start training your kids, are you going to use an actual man or are you going use one of your dildos?
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I don't think I would be allowed to talk about that on YouTube, right?
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Believe it or not, I am the first to buy Desiree's book.
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After reading this book, I was like she-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-eat.
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there's going to be some fucking inception dude
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and we're going to do some weird backwards stream section
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this is some weird inception shit going on right now Brian
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thank you so much for the happy birthday wishes