Dating Talk #14
Episode Stats
Length
3 hours and 55 minutes
Words per Minute
196.8965
Hate Speech Sentences
137
Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, the guys are joined by Chase and Tanner to talk about the patriarchy, toxic masculinity, and the time Chase got tased by a woman who thought she had a gun in her bag.
Transcript
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, coming to you live from Isla Vista, Santa Barbara County, California, every Tuesday and Thursday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
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I am your host, Brian Atlas. I am joined by my co-host, Kiki. She's a bit shy.
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Eric, if you could just pull up really quick the... Yeah, so if you hit the join button, you can join.
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Eric, if you go ahead, scroll up and hit the join button, you can see that we have a whole bunch of tiers, tons of perks.
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You get a cool loyalty badge next to your name, priority responses to chats.
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If you want to be on the show or help with the show, you can bring it back, Eric.
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DM at whatever on Instagram if you want to help with the show or be on the show.
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Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
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I am a social media manager slash, I guess, wedding planner.
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And I am a communication major, but I graduated this year from UCSB.
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And I am actually taking a gap year, so no school for me.
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I am a server, and I am majoring and trying to be a teacher.
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I'm 27, professional photographer, brand consultant, and I'm done with school.
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I major in communications and kinesiology, and I'm a store manager.
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By the way, everyone's Instagrams are in the description, but we did see your chats.
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There are some complaints that all the girls' Instagrams are on private.
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Really quick, we have some behind-the-scenes footage from after last show.
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If you tuned in, you know we got into a heated debate about the patriarchy, toxic masculinity, and how it's nonsense.
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And, by the way, we've got nothing but love for the girls who came on.
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And we'd definitely like to have them back on for what I'm sure would be another very heated debate.
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Now, me, Chase, and Tanner, we were talking outside after the show, and we spotted the girls who were on the show when their car batteries had died.
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And they must have been trying to figure it out for 10 minutes.
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So, we spotted them in the parking lot, went over to help, you know, give them a helpful serving of toxic masculinity and the patriarchy.
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Honestly, if you don't want them to do it, I don't want them to do it.
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And then, also, Chase, I don't know if you remember, me and Chase were getting food a previous day, and not related to this at all, but a girl had a taser in her bag, and it almost, like, she dropped the bag, and the taser deployed, and Chase almost got tased.
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So, it's just, it's been kind of a weird, weird week, let's just say.
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So, I think the funniest part of what happened last night, we had stayed in here for, like, 20 minutes talking after the fact, and then we went downstairs, and we talked for another 15 minutes, and then we noticed the girls still didn't have their car started, so they'd been there for, like, 35 minutes.
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Like, we were so down to help, and then we walked up to help them.
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Not yet, not quite yet, Eric, but we had a girl flake twice coming on the show, and then finally decide, after flaking twice, that she wasn't comfortable coming on because the host, me, supports Andrew Tate, whatever that means.
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So, so I just, so to the girl that flaked, I just want to say, sorry, you know what, why don't we, hmm, should we pull up a Tate clip?
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You know what, we'll save the Tate clip, but we're going to dedicate, dedicate, okay, whoops, dedicate the Tate clip to you later.
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So, anyways, I want to bring it back to the panel.
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So, oh, wait, no, actually, Eric, really quick, can you pull up the screenshot of it?
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Hey, so we looked into what is done on the podcast on YouTube, and me, my friend, now decided we're not comfortable doing it.
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I understand, may I ask, what specifically it was that you were uncomfortable with?
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We are uncomfortable with the host, since he supports Andrew Tate.
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Anyways, that kind of explains what Ari explained.
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Relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on a dating app?
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So, that's relationship status, longest relationship, are you on a dating app?
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Relationship status, single question mark, always question mark.
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I am on dating apps, and my longest relationship is, like, two to three months.
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But, longest relationship, three to four months.
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And, for that longest relationship, did you end it, or did the guy end it?
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I actually, even if I've been dating a girl for three years, I'd rather she just break up with
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Yeah, because it's like, I don't want, eh, let's just.
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I'm not, like, the type of guy, if you break up with me, I'm going to, it's going to be
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I'm not going to be, it's just going to be like, all right.
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Because, like, if someone doesn't want to be with you, why the hell are you going to be,
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Once that conversation has been breached, it's a wrap.
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There's no going back, as far as I'm concerned.
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Like, no, but why do you think you've not had a long-term relationship?
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From his standpoint, he, I don't know what I want.
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So, I knew what I wanted in the relationship when he locked me down.
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But then once I'm locked down, I'm locked down.
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It's really hard to, why is it hard to lock you down?
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Would you say you have very high expectations for a partner?
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I have high expectations, but also low at the same time.
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So, I feel like society now, our expectations for men are at the bare minimum.
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Like, if they text you in a certain amount of time, or if they even, like,
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there was this TikTok once, it was like, if he, like, remembers your name,
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or, like, asks you out or something, you're in.
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I actually, I do have to challenge you a bit on that.
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I actually think expectations on males have skyrocketed.
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Yeah, like, specifically on what specifics have they risen in?
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Well, because we've opened up the dating marketplace,
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Before, you had the people in your social circle or within your town.
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But now you can probably, I don't know if you've had this experience,
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have you ever had a guy, like, in Miami slide into your DMs?
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So I'm not famous on TikTok, but, like, I have a following on TikTok.
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So when I go live, constantly, people would be like,
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come to Atlanta, come to Miami, come to Hawaii, I'll fly you out.
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Chase, do you want to come in on the rise in expectations?
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Well, she said that she believes that the expectations on men is incredibly low, right?
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So I feel like I understand you where, like, the materialistic aspect has risen, but, like,
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the, I guess, the, yeah, emotional, like, chivalry, you know, like, chivalry, quote-unquote,
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But, like, I just had a guy open my door for the first time of my car.
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It made me feel really good, but then I told my mom, and she was like, what?
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But so what you're talking about, what you're talking about is traditional gender roles,
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So do you adhere to your traditional, your female traditional gender roles?
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So are you talking about, like, cooking and cleaning?
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So it's kind of like a, I'm very, I'm very, what's it called?
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But, like, I kind of just, like, I have it just to see what's on there.
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Obviously, you don't talk to 18-year-olds when you're 16.
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But you could say your age is younger, and that's what gets complicated.
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I just got out of a two-year relationship about three months ago.
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So, I have an account, but I have not, like, activated it or anything.
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But the fact that I haven't activated it yet was because, like, it's just, like, it feels
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And, honestly, it kind of was, like, a joke at first.
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I did it with my girlfriend one night, and we were just like, oh, yeah, let's, like, make
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Like, just, let's just see what happens, but never really.
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What are your takes on, like, other girls that do it?
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Listen, I have ran into so many girls that, like, have, like, these accounts, you know?
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And they, like, they tell me how they go on dates with, like, these older guys, you
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Or, like, they'll, like, shit on them, basically.
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Like, they'll, like, say things to them to, like, degrade them.
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I don't know if you've ever heard of that, but, like...
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Yeah, they call that, like, fin dom or something, right?
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I just, like, I feel, like, I want someone who is, like, around my age, you know?
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I don't want to feel like I have to go out of my way to get something, you know?
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I don't feel like I'm one to be, like, a money grabber, you know?
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Like doing other things against your morals for money.
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But I don't, I'm not against girls who do want to do that.
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Because, listen, like, girl, like, go get that bag.
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My moral code, like, and my principles, you know, I just, like, I don't know.
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I just don't want to put myself in that position, like, because it's also really unsafe.
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Because I feel like a lot of girls, they go into that market and, you know, and then they are, like, why am I being degraded?
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Why am I, why are men being, like, this towards me?
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But it's, like, you put yourself in that position.
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So you're reaping those benefits, but you're also reaping the negatives of, like, that backlash of other people and them judging you.
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But if you don't let those judging get to you, then go ahead.
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So you signed up for that, but then had second thoughts?
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You bought the outfit, but then it was too grimy.
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So, relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on a dating app?
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Longest relationship, I think, is like two years, but like on and off.
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Um, and I'm not on a dating app or dating site.
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I mean, I've like tried Tinder out, but I never really got into it.
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Like, you're just like flipping through, like through shit.
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And I never like found like a genuine connection out of it.
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Well, what were you looking for on the dating app?
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I was not looking just to like date or like anything like that.
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I think it was more of like a, um, let me see the guys in my area.
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And like, I mean, if they have a good talk, I'm, I might as well, but yeah, because I feel
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I feel like some girls go on there and they actually look for relationships.
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It's like, you know, you know, what's in that market.
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I like, wait, isn't that how you met your girlfriend?
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Wait, I thought it was on, no, no, it was a different guy.
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Wait, so you said you were in an on again, off again relationship for one to two years.
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I still am very young, but like he was just, you know, someone you couldn't like put your
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He was definitely like drinking, going to bars, like I bet he probably cheated on me
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or something, but like it was just not something you could really like rely on.
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It was more of like a push and pull of like, like I liked him more because it was like, honestly,
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Like he really wasn't, um, he could never be held accountable.
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He was always, you know, going around and like he would normalize like fucked up behaviors.
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So you tolerated that because of trauma, like trauma bond.
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I tolerated it because I thought that I deserved like that kind of relationship.
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But like looking back on it now, I know exactly what I deserve.
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And that was just something I shouldn't have ever gotten into.
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I mean, yeah, not very young, but I was like, I guess 17 at the time.
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And I just like, a bit older, a bit older, how much older, he was older, not like real
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Like it was like that, like it wasn't too big, but like he definitely had like much more
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And I was just young and I would be like kind of the girl that was like back at home, like
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waiting for him, like from the bars, like waiting for him to just, I don't even know.
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It's also a big split in like, you know, age gap, that age gap, you know, your 17 year
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world is a lot different than his being, you know, 20, you said 21, right?
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So obviously him going to the bars and that's like, that makes you, obviously that made you
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He would invite me out like with his friends and I did it with my friends.
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Like I would party all the time, but like, it's just, I don't know.
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And I mean, at least I've found myself and I have grown out of that relationship and I
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know how to keep people like, I know how to like, I don't know, just.
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One, one, one thing you did wrong in that relationship.
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Can you scoot the microphone a little bit towards your, keep going.
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I shouldn't have ever put myself in that relationship because I knew what would come out of it.
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And I, instead of not like trying to understand like what would come out of it, I kind of like
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just put myself into it and it just got the best of me and at least I've grown.
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Cause trusting somebody isn't, that's not doing something wrong.
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I would argue that if you trust somebody when they don't deserve your trust, that is doing
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I shouldn't have ever trusted him because I saw he read files.
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If you were to, if you were to ask him what you did wrong, he wouldn't say she trusted me
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I mean, one thing I might have done wrong, um, I can't really think about it.
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Like hearing your description of the relationship, it sounded like you were just kind of vulnerable.
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You were vulnerable and like, he probably had a lot of power in that situation, probably
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And you were probably, were you kind of like in a space where you hoping that like he
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Like I was very like optimistic about him and I put my faith into him and like trusted him
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and I didn't do anything like necessarily wrong.
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But you, so throughout the whole course of the relationship, you did nothing wrong.
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Longest relation or relationship status, longest relationship.
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My longest relationship was two and a half years and it was also on and off.
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No, but we, we have had very like similar situations.
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I used to use Tinder and stuff, but I don't really like think that it does any good for
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Um, so you were, you were, you were also in an on again, off again relationship.
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Tell us about, why, why was it on again, off again?
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Um, we started off very strongly and we had a, we had really great experiences, but there
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were a lot of traumatic events that happened throughout our relationship.
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And, um, I kept giving him chances, like, because I feel like I thought that our love could really
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just, like, I thought we could work out in the end.
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And I really thought that he would change and kind of be that person for me, but.
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It's more about the emotional connection that we had and that we shared for over a period
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I'm not going to ask you what happened exactly, but how many times did these, like, occur
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that you were just, like, continuing to let it pass?
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There were multiple circumstances, but they were very different things.
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Was there, like, a point in the relationship where you were, like, I've had enough, I'm done?
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Like, we had periods of where, like, we wouldn't talk to each other for, like, two months.
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Because it was so, it's, like, love bombing, like, where you act like you're so changed
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and you act like you're such a different person.
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And then when you, like, invite them back into your life, it kind of goes stale all over again.
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They'll most likely say that, like, I've changed all, like, pretty frequently.
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And then it's, like, wow, you haven't changed at all.
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Like, I'm a fool, like, for kind of giving my part, like, myself up to you again.
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So, you guys both had pretty similar relationships, it sounds like, in that way.
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Well, they were very similar but also very different in their own ways.
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The experiences that we shared with these people were incredibly different, and we've
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Yeah, my question to you guys is after that, after these experiences with these guys, do
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you guys feel like you've learned and now you guys, like, you know what to look out for?
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You guys hold your relationships to a higher standard?
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Yeah, that's why I'm not really, like, looking.
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Like, I didn't download, like, a dating app because, like, I don't really want to put
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myself out there, like, I'm ready or whatever, because I know that I'm not, and I'm kind
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of just, like, on this path to kind of, like, figure out, like, who I am before I put my...
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Or before I put myself in that situation again, like...
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But, honestly, I feel like, like, I had let go of the relationship a lot early on.
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Out of respect for him, I would never, like, talk shit about him.
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Because, like, I still obviously care about this person.
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I'm not going to, like, go into depth about the details or whatnot, because I still, in
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the bottom of my heart, think that he's a good guy.
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See, I feel like most girls are just off, like, fuck you or something like that.
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So, I really like that you were just, like, no, you don't.
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You spent all that time with him, so you, like, respect it, and then you're just, like,
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Out of, like, the way that I want to deal with this situation is not get my...
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Anger or my feelings to have, like, get to the best of me.
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Because, yeah, you can't carry that shit with you.
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And, honestly, like, every relationship that I've had, it's not, like, a dwelling.
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It's not something I should, like, be, like, so down about.
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You can only look at it as a good experience and just, like, be thankful that it happened
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You can't, you know, hate someone for what they did or, like, blame anyone.
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You have to find those answers within yourself and just hope for the best, for what's to
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Like, I've had a few relationships not work out.
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And when a relationship doesn't work out, you learn a lot about yourself.
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So definitely take that to heart because that's super valuable.
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Also, ladies, I just want to let you guys know, Peter J. in the comments said that all
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What is one thing that you did wrong in that relationship?
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Um, I think that when we first, like, kind of got to know each other, um, we were both
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single, obviously, and I don't know, like, weeks prior to that, or days prior to that
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relationship, like, I was hooking up with other people, like, I'm not going to lie, and
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Before you got, before you guys were even dating, you had hooked up with, you were hooking
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It changed his viewpoint on me, which isn't necessarily right.
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I mean, you guys weren't really in a relationship.
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Yeah, there's not, but he honestly made me feel like shit for it.
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I don't, I don't think, I don't think he was right for that, though.
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Yeah, it's not right, so I don't know, I feel like I'm in this kind of mental, like,
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he kind of, like, put me in this mindset of, like, the things that I did in the past
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It was wrong of me, but in reality, it probably wasn't.
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Did you think those hookups following up to your guys' relationship were just pointless?
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Like, that made you realize, like, okay, I'm ready for a relationship?
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Okay, yeah, so that's why I think there's nothing wrong with it, because you doing that
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and then going into a relationship after that, if anything, those, it's like, that showed
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you, yes, I'm ready for a relationship, so, like.
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Yeah, and when I was in the relationship, I was very committed, like, committed and dedicated,
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and I, obviously, we'd get into, like, arguments, like, oh, like, I'm not hearing him out,
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or, like, I'm, I don't know, that would probably be, like, the biggest thing that harmed
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our relationship was, like, sometimes, like, it was hard for me to understand, like, what
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Let me do the soup chats really quick while we got him.
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This is starting off sounding like a group therapy session.
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Yo, next, Chase is going to transition this into a Christian worship session.
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Mike Davis has been asking for bimbos for, like, three episodes.
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Yeah, I mean, Mike Davis, you got to get out here, bro.
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I know you got the spare cash to come out here, bro.
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Maybe we can have him wear, like, a masquerade ball mask.
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Did he say he doesn't want to come on because he wants to stay anonymous?
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Can Chase rate each girl one to ten on their fertility?
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Can Chase rate each girl one to ten on their fertility?
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I have a pretty good radar, and I would say all four of you guys look very fertile.
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But my question is, if any of you guys are on birth control, because if you are, that
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Someone asked me to rate them based on their fertility.
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And then I mentioned that if any of them are on birth control, that will affect their fertility
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It tends to drain nutrients from a woman's body that can affect her long term fertility.
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I don't know about how you eat some stuff like that.
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In general, I think birth control, because it alters your body, and it tricks it into thinking
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If you're in a long-term relationship with a girl, and you want to have sex without a
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condom, we can't be like someone we know who will not be named.
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But we both have a mutual friend, let's just say, who's gotten into some trouble recently
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For me, and I think a lot of guys, if they're going to be monogamous to a girl, they're probably
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Some girls, it's like they don't want to be on...
00:35:53.560
That's totally fine if they don't want to, but I think some guys, they don't enjoy sex
00:35:58.020
without a condom, and I think it's pretty reasonable to, you know, if you're committed
00:36:03.460
to someone, to want to have sex without a condom, so we're...
00:36:11.520
Are you saying, Chase, there's a conflict here?
00:36:14.180
Well, what I'm saying is that I guess I just...
00:36:17.180
You're advising the women not to be on birth control?
00:36:22.280
I'm simply making the statement that birth control can affect your fertility long term,
00:36:26.700
and if you don't need to be on it, it's a good idea not to be on it.
00:36:30.560
Eric, can you just close the door just while this is playing?
00:36:42.380
I would never get a vasectomy in the first place.
00:36:45.680
There's a risk to that, though, because sometimes it might not even be successful afterwards.
00:36:53.920
Not every guy that gets a reverse, they can, like, still...
00:37:02.620
Same thing, like, with girls taking their birth control, it'll affect their fertility.
00:37:07.400
If they had created, like, a pill that you guys would have to take instead of the women, would you?
00:37:17.360
I mean, I'm saving myself for marriage at this point.
00:37:29.560
If they were to create, like, a pill for men to take...
00:37:36.940
Um, I was asking, um, if, like, instead of the women having to take pills, like, if they made them for men, would you take them if you were in a relationship or if you wanted to have casual sex?
00:37:59.780
I mean, the cost that it takes, like, the cost that we have to deal with, like, hormonal changes.
00:38:07.360
I feel like if we expect that of girls, and if you really, you know, really do want to have, I guess, unprotected sex, it's...
00:38:16.900
I mean, it's, it's fair, it's fair, but I mean...
00:38:18.800
Would you take it at, like, a time, like, a, like, a specific time every single day?
00:38:32.200
I mean, at that point, I'd probably, honestly, I'd probably just...
00:38:36.020
Yeah, but you guys, you guys have a lot of options.
00:38:44.300
The boobs could get bigger, they could get smaller, they could get smaller, they could get smaller, they could gain weight.
00:38:48.860
You have the IUD, both hormonal and non-hormonal.
00:38:52.540
You have the, uh, the Implanon, which is what, every three months, maybe?
00:39:15.200
What I've heard for a very long time, and I hope came around sooner than it did, I think I've heard of it for over a decade.
00:39:35.540
They've been trying to develop it for over 10 years here in the U.S. under the name vasel gel.
00:39:40.600
Essentially, what they do is they would inject a polymer into your vas deferens, and it'd create a physical block.
00:39:46.200
It's supposed to be reversible, and it lasts 10 years.
00:39:56.860
I've been in contact with the people that are developing it, and I'm actually going to do a one-on-one podcast with someone high up in their organization,
00:40:04.140
because I definitely think the way you give power back to men, for men to finally have some reproductive rights, is to get them male birth control.
00:40:14.920
So, I'm fully in favor of it, and you're laughing.
00:40:27.220
Brian's very passionate about male reproductive rights, and I appreciate it.
00:40:42.040
They have not done any human trials in the U.S.
00:40:48.220
Honestly, and maybe this is conspiracy theory territory, but I think that the drug companies...
00:41:03.820
It's much more profitable for the drug companies to have the women taking a pill every day.
00:41:10.600
So, I think that there's actually been a concerted effort by the drug manufacturing companies to not have this come to market, the vasal gel.
00:41:23.960
Because it's incredibly cheap, it's a one-time procedure, it can be done outpatient, so I think that's why...
00:41:31.560
I'd be curious to know how much birth control companies make on a yearly basis selling birth control pills.
00:41:37.360
Because a drug like that would actually be a huge threat to the female birth control market, so...
00:41:45.040
There's been other examples, like proven examples, where they try to manipulate certain things so that they can boost their profits, so they'll...
00:41:54.880
It happened all year in 2020, and I'll leave it at that.
00:42:05.480
It can last for 10 years, and then you'd probably have to have it redone.
00:42:14.340
It's happened, like, probably, like, 10 minutes ago, but I'm still shocked.
00:42:29.320
So, you didn't technically fully save yourself?
00:42:32.280
At this point, I was saying, like, I don't need to think about, like, all this birth control
00:42:51.660
If you're willing to talk about it, what was the point where you were just like, okay, now
00:42:59.340
So, with a girl I was with in the past, her and I were deeply in love, but I also knew
00:43:10.060
And in the process of having sex, like, you, like, really deeply bond with somebody, right?
00:43:15.840
And, like, I knew we weren't going to get married, and I could tell that...
00:43:21.580
Because there were just, like, there was too much compatibility, incompatibility in terms
00:43:28.840
So, why did you, how long were you, like, in the relationship for, like, when you realized
00:43:33.540
that you knew you weren't going to, you know, be with this girl or woman or, you know, whatever
00:43:40.600
Like, when did you realize, and why did you not end it sooner?
00:43:44.820
I started to get the feeling, like, six months in, and then I absolutely knew, I'd say, probably
00:43:55.480
No, actually, probably about, like, a year and three months into the relationship, I
00:44:02.500
But I had a feeling at, like, the six-month mark, and I kind of just wanted to, like, wait
00:44:06.720
Like, I was like, maybe we can negotiate to, like, you know, build a relationship with each
00:44:12.060
other where it'll last long-term, and we realized we couldn't.
00:44:15.360
And I feel like that's what so many people do when they're in relationships.
00:44:22.780
Like, you always have to trust your gut, right?
00:44:27.960
Something doesn't feel right, and you kind of just want to keep pushing and pushing and
00:44:32.560
pushing, and especially when they do some really messed up stuff to you.
00:44:35.760
You know, like, they can hit you, or, you know, like, and it goes both ways.
00:44:40.400
It's, you know, I'm not going to, like, set, like, a double standard.
00:44:43.640
You know, like, women, like, they hit men, too.
00:44:55.300
Like, you can feel that way about, like, you know, say, like, you two are dating, and
00:45:04.560
Like, she's probably not, like, the best option, you know?
00:45:09.180
Yeah, if she hits you, or, like, why would it be?
00:45:21.840
But, like, the last, like, two months of us dating, like, I don't want to get, like,
00:45:26.720
super deep into details, but, like, the last two months of us dating, like, we basically
00:45:30.760
knew it was over, but we were still, like, talking to one another and stuff.
00:45:33.400
And then there came a point where we were, like, mutually, like, okay, we know that we're
00:45:36.700
not cut out for the long term, so let's end it.
00:45:42.140
How do you feel reflecting back on that time of you guys spending that year and six months
00:45:47.600
Do you feel like it was a waste of time, or do you feel like you're happy about the moments
00:45:57.720
Yeah, and you changed your perspective on how you're going to be.
00:46:01.160
I learned that a lot, and it also made me realize, like, what I want in a marriage.
00:46:07.000
Like, meeting this girl, like, I knew very soon after meeting her, like, I want to have
00:46:12.000
Like, I loved her so much that I knew I wanted to have kids with her.
00:46:17.980
Yeah, well, I mean, like, a big part of it was I started to take my faith a lot more seriously.
00:46:23.720
So she wasn't religious, or, like, morally, that's what you mean?
00:46:28.800
And, like, why are they just going to be honest?
00:46:38.040
That was the guy who connected you guys with this podcast?
00:46:45.220
So, if there was a girl that you, like, fell in love with, and you knew that she loved
00:46:50.900
you, like, you guys both knew that you really loved each other, but you guys, like, weren't
00:46:57.940
necessarily ready for marriage, you still would not have sex with her.
00:47:09.720
So, imagine you found a girl that you loved with your whole heart, and she loved you equally
00:47:17.360
as much, and you knew down the line that you would marry this girl, like, and you knew
00:47:22.740
that you guys were both, like, fully, like, dedicated to one another.
00:47:27.360
You're asking me if we would still save ourselves?
00:47:31.380
I would do my absolute best, and that's a very difficult thing to do, because when you're
00:47:38.820
really in love with somebody and really attracted to them, it's challenging to abstain.
00:47:42.360
I just want to see how, like, the kind of, like, limitations, like, what could break that
00:47:49.940
I mean, if her and I end up on a date with one another, and we're alone, and we're close,
00:47:54.720
like, it's, you know, one thing leads to another, and that's hard to avoid, you know?
00:47:59.300
Mm-hmm, but that's where it comes down to me as a guy, like, I think most women would
00:48:02.940
follow the guy's lead in that kind of scenario, and, you know, like, it's going to take a
00:48:09.200
Because once I find, like, that woman that I want to make my wife, it's going to be real
00:48:26.360
I feel like a lot of people, you know, including myself, and, like, I'm going to be totally
00:48:30.380
honest here, like, feel like they need to force things, you know?
00:48:39.840
Like, I'm one who feels like I need to be in control of a lot of situations, you know?
00:48:44.580
And when I feel like things are out of my control, like, I kind of feel, like, a bit manic,
00:48:49.180
So, like, hearing, like, you say that, like, you're able to, you know, like, save yourself,
00:48:56.220
basically, it's very encouraging, you know, very impressive, because you look at a lot
00:49:01.360
of guys nowadays, and all they want is just, like, sex and sex and sex, whatever.
00:49:05.980
I'm not saying all guys, because, you know, that's very unfair.
00:49:13.900
Exactly, if we're going to generalize the male species.
00:49:25.220
It's the hookup culture that's, like, huge right now.
00:49:28.360
Do you find that when you're with a guy that you really like and respect, you mentioned
00:49:32.140
that you're, like, you like to maintain control, right?
00:49:37.160
Okay, so, like, when you're with a guy who you respect, are you able to, like, relax and,
00:49:44.080
Yes, until he does something that I don't like, and then I'm very, very honest about
00:49:48.620
it, and I think that, like, I think it's, like, a blessing and a curse, like, how straight
00:49:55.180
up I can be with people, you know, because, like, sometimes, like, I just, I can't.
00:50:00.540
Give us an example of a time you've been really straight up with a guy.
00:50:10.700
So, by the way, I just want to say, this panel has, like, the weakest bladders.
00:50:28.540
I can't really think of, like, a, actually, well, maybe I can.
00:50:31.840
Um, probably, can I give, like, a generalized example?
00:50:54.800
Give us an example of a time you were brutally honest to a dude.
00:51:00.600
I was hanging out with this one guy that I met at a bar.
00:51:14.500
I drove to his house because he wanted to hang out.
00:51:24.120
So, I walked into his, I walked into his house.
00:51:29.140
It was my first time hanging out with him, so, you know, like, seeing that similarity
00:51:54.980
We went to his room, and he was like, oh, you want to come see this view?
00:52:01.500
So, we go upstairs on his balcony, and we look at the view, and he's talking, and he's all
00:52:14.380
Like, I feel like you would, like, do this all the time.
00:52:16.580
Like, you just seem like you have it together, the way he was texting me, too.
00:52:31.620
Not, like, shaking, like, uncontrollably, but, like, you know, that you could tell, like,
00:52:44.880
I've been in that place before where, like, you're with a girl that you're really attracted
00:52:49.160
to, and you're about to make a move, and you're nervous.
00:52:51.320
And listen, if he was so nervous because I'm attractive, like, then, you know, I appreciate
00:52:57.700
But, you know, I like when a guy can, like, assert his dominance and just be like, yeah,
00:53:05.260
And, I mean, for the most part, he knew what he wanted, right?
00:53:09.720
But, like, just the nervousness that I felt just made me kind of turned off in a way,
00:53:20.680
So, I kept kind of, like, I kept going with the flow, you know?
00:53:23.520
I was like, okay, like, maybe within the next 30 minutes to an hour, like, he'll kind
00:53:27.320
of loosen up a little bit because that's normally what happens, right?
00:53:33.100
But it seemed like over time, like, it was just not stopping.
00:53:37.460
And then, eventually, he, like, leaned in, right, to, like, kiss me and stuff.
00:53:49.600
And I told him, I was like, hey, listen, I don't think this is working out.
00:54:00.860
And I really don't want that to make me sound like a bitch, you know, or anything like that.
00:54:08.160
Like, if I don't like something, I have to tell you, I'm not going to be a pushover.
00:54:11.380
I'm not going to let someone do something to me that I don't like.
00:54:15.200
So, just to recap, because I think I might have missed the part.
00:54:24.240
I just said, like, hey, like, this isn't working out.
00:54:27.040
Like, I'm not, I'm not, like, fucking with this.
00:54:34.420
But you said, initially, you guys, you saw he was nervous.
00:54:53.320
I told him, I was like, hey, I'm just not feeling this.
00:54:55.860
Sydney, what was his response to when you said that?
00:55:02.880
Because I don't like hurting people like that, you know?
00:55:05.800
So, he was basically just a pussy, is what you're saying.
00:55:11.200
Well, he just, he wasn't, he didn't make the move.
00:55:18.580
He didn't make the move quick enough, and that was a turn off.
00:55:27.480
Because you meet up with someone, you actually get to know them, you're just like, you just
00:55:32.800
I mean, it's, I don't think you should go back.
00:55:34.240
I don't think, like, I, like, I wanted, I wanted him to want to, you know?
00:55:40.360
But, you know, I think the weirdest part about it was the fact that he, before he did it,
00:55:54.420
But I think, like, the way he said it, you know, the tone is everything.
00:55:59.680
You know, he, it came off really creepy, and he wasn't confident.
00:56:02.980
You know, and I, I feel like I need confidence.
00:56:13.640
So, you sort of, you said that you think it's a red flag if a guy were to ask to kiss you.
00:56:19.300
No, honestly, what I was saying is more, so, like, I mean.
00:56:26.320
Okay, honestly, like, if he asked, like, if he is asking you to kiss you, yes, that's a really, really nice thing to do.
00:56:36.100
But, like, if you're not confident about it, it's kind of a turn off.
00:56:45.020
I feel like, I feel like you're, like, I don't know.
00:56:46.400
If you have, like, a good tone to it, and then you're in a good, good timing to it, then yeah, it'll work.
00:56:51.080
It'll, you'll be, like, the gentleman, you know?
00:56:53.500
But, like, if you say it in a weird way, which I'm sure he did, you're just, like, nah.
00:56:58.460
I mean, like, I mean, of course, consent is, like, super amazing.
00:57:02.260
But, like, when you're, like, kissing someone, like, you can either say it, like, in a way that's, like, oh, can I kiss you?
00:57:10.940
And to be brutally honest, I mean, most girls, I feel like they like a guy that's, like, I don't know, not stern, I guess, but, like, is confident.
00:57:23.940
No shake in his voice when he asks to kiss you.
00:57:28.800
Like, you don't want, like, a question mark to be after it.
00:57:33.660
Can you move that microphone pretty much touching hers?
00:57:37.700
I'd rather him have said to me, like, oh, like, let me kiss you.
00:57:46.580
So, like, I'm going to, like, I'm going to have these cookies.
00:57:53.720
It's more of, like, a, oh, I'm going to do this.
00:57:56.340
And, like, I mean, if you're a girl and you're, like, feeling it, of course.
00:58:02.840
Okay, so I'm going to go around the table and I'm just going to ask you guys.
00:58:05.820
So, is it a turnoff if a guy asks you for permission before going for the kiss?
00:58:21.800
I just want to be, like, grabbed, to be honest.
00:58:25.580
Honestly, I think if you have, like, that spark with a guy and, like, that interest within
00:58:33.080
a guy, they don't need to ask you if they want to kiss you.
00:58:36.220
You already know they're going to grab you and make out with you.
00:58:39.020
Like, you don't need to have that, like, one question where it's, like, oh, can I kiss you?
00:58:49.640
There's a comment here saying, so never ask girls to sexually engage.
00:59:11.720
Do you guys ever, let me ask, of the times that you've kissed a guy, have you ever initiated
00:59:32.480
Most of my, like, hookups, like, I've been the one to initiate.
00:59:43.660
Because either, I think they might be, like, way too scared or something else, but I've
00:59:52.060
And I don't know if it's, like, because they're, like, too scared to, you know, make the first
00:59:59.160
Well, I think it comes down to two things for dudes nowadays.
01:00:02.500
I think the majority of dudes are just, like, nervous.
01:00:05.380
Like, when I was a teenager, I can remember so many times when I was, like, out on a date
01:00:08.820
with the girl, I really liked her, but I was nervous to make that move.
01:00:14.440
But there's also, like, this crazy culture nowadays where chicks, like, will accuse dudes
01:00:26.720
So, yeah, guys are kind of in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation with
01:00:33.080
I mean, guys don't want to be perceived as being too pushy and creepy.
01:00:36.980
And the last thing a guy wants is to be potentially falsely accused of something.
01:00:49.760
Would rather just the guy go in for the kiss, right?
01:00:52.020
But guys don't want to be put in a position where they're going to make the girl feel uncomfortable,
01:00:58.440
especially with the social climate as it is today.
01:01:03.520
There's so much nonverbal communication, just body language, you know, leaning in.
01:01:07.400
Like, those types of things will tell you, like, yeah, like, it's okay, you know?
01:01:11.600
But if the girl's nervous, if the girl's nervous herself, sometimes the signs aren't there.
01:01:17.200
Yeah, you can definitely read a situation wrong, you know?
01:01:19.700
You can fuck up on the situation and be like, oh, I read the situation wrong.
01:01:23.060
But, like, it's something that you can pick up on.
01:01:26.220
I guess you could say the vibe of the situation, you know?
01:01:28.860
Normally, body language, something I've noticed when someone looks down at your lips a lot,
01:01:33.780
you know, it's a sign, you know, that they want to kiss you.
01:01:42.720
I mean, like, if they kiss you when you're not feeding into it, that's fucked up.
01:01:46.580
But, like, when you feel, like, body language obviously, like, clicking off of each other,
01:01:55.360
But if you're not, like, showing that, like, interest in someone, then, of course, they shouldn't kiss you.
01:02:07.300
Like, if you guys know, then it's going to happen, you know?
01:02:11.540
I also think, too, like, I feel like there's, like, a lot of pressure nowadays when people are dating to, like, make that move on the first date or, like, to go in for the kiss or whatever.
01:02:27.460
Like, I feel like, like, I remember when I went on dates when I was a teenager, like, I was going into it with this objective of, like, okay, I want to make out with her at least by the end of the night, right?
01:02:37.540
Yeah, like, you have to, and that's kind of, like...
01:02:39.460
No, yeah, there's, like, an objective for a lot of dudes.
01:02:43.460
And, like, that kind of puts you, like, when dudes are in that mindset, it can make them nervous because they're, like, okay, I have to do this thing.
01:02:50.020
And I feel like a better mindset to go into it with is, like, okay, I want to get to know this person.
01:02:57.100
And I think the objective should be to feel so relaxed with the person and comfortable with them that it just unfolds naturally.
01:03:07.020
Because exactly, if you guys are listening on this, don't be focusing on that objective, dude.
01:03:15.800
Most likely at the end of the night, that kiss will happen naturally.
01:03:19.660
But what happened to the guy that was with her?
01:03:29.920
When he took you up onto the rooftop, he already had it in his mind that he wanted to make out with you.
01:03:36.520
He wanted to sleep with her probably immediately.
01:03:41.260
But I think that objective was on his mind the entire time.
01:03:45.020
And I think that was what made him so nervous when he, Sidney, took you up to the rooftop.
01:03:49.480
Like, he was thinking about, okay, how do I get from this situation to sleeping with her?
01:03:57.660
You don't think he was thinking about it before that?
01:03:59.400
He was probably thinking about it the whole time.
01:04:00.640
Yeah, but you know what the thing is, though, is that, I mean, a lot of you girls said that more often than not, you're the ones that initiate the first kiss.
01:04:16.640
Sure, maybe you've done it before, but I think most guys experience, if they don't make the move, and that could be at any step along the way.
01:04:24.800
If they don't ask for the girl's number, if they don't plan the date, if they don't set up the date, if they don't approach the girl,
01:04:29.600
if they don't handle the logistics for the date, if they don't start, if they don't carry the conversation, if they don't go for the first kiss,
01:04:37.040
if they don't escalate things forward sexually, if they don't move all the way to the finish line, let's say.
01:04:44.240
If they don't take every single step or make every single step along the way, it's not going to happen.
01:04:52.900
It's certainly been my experience where I feel like for the vast majority of interactions that I have with women, if I don't make the move, it's not happening.
01:05:06.740
Because we know this, girls, all of us know this, that if a guy doesn't make the move on us, we're going to feel less inclined to, you know, want to hang out with them.
01:05:15.060
Because we feel like, based off of societal standards, that the guy should be the first one to make the move.
01:05:18.580
But also, if she wants you that bad, she will make the move.
01:05:24.980
Like, we can read, like, I feel like I can read, like, body language very well, and, like, I don't know, if somebody likes me, and if I like them back, like, I can make that move knowing that they want it to.
01:05:38.300
And I wouldn't make that move if I didn't see that they didn't want it as well.
01:05:43.720
So I can say this, of most of the interactions I've had with women, I'll say this, if I never made the first move, it would just, it would have never happened.
01:06:03.800
Maybe it would have, but I have to, it falls on me to make the move.
01:06:10.520
Because if I don't, what happened with her is going to be what happened with me.
01:06:16.580
Honestly, I think it's, it's to each their own.
01:06:21.080
Like, if you're going to make a move, make a move.
01:06:24.580
But men don't have the privilege of just waiting around.
01:06:28.680
We don't, y'all can just go to a car, or sorry, go to a club, go to a bar, go to a party.
01:06:38.740
I mean, if I see a guy, like, then I'll make the move.
01:06:41.920
I don't need a guy to come up to me and, like, sit himself down.
01:06:45.280
I'll be honest, Brian, I'll be honest with you.
01:06:49.100
The relationship, the best relationships of my life that I've had were relationships where the girl wanted me so much that she made it really clear to me.
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And when I contrast those relationships with the ones where I was, like, chasing after girls, it was, like, a way different experience.
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And so, like, like, that's what happened to mine.
01:07:11.840
But women do make, if a girl likes a guy enough, she's going to make a move.
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I mean, I would agree with you in that definitely the relationships, of my long-term relationships, the girls have met me a bit more towards, like, they've put in more effort.
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But, I mean, for even most of them, I'm still the one going for it.
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I mean, the times where the girls pursued me a bit off the bat, like, they, like, made their interest to me known.
01:07:50.440
And then it was, like, all right, Chase, balls in your court.
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And it was entirely on me to drive the relationship.
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And I would have been uncomfortable, honestly, if, like, a girl was, like, coming on to me, like, trying to make out with me all this stuff.
01:08:07.360
And then it was, like, all right, Chase, what's your move?
01:08:10.860
That, like, the guy has to make the first move?
01:08:17.440
I'd call it, like, solidified into our society that guys make the first move.
01:08:27.280
We are, what, seven people sitting in a room together talking about an ongoing issue.
01:08:39.880
Well, the thing is, is that it, why, being initiated upon puts you in a stronger, not
01:08:49.260
Being initiated upon puts you in a, let's say, a stronger negotiating position.
01:08:56.360
So, you have, what, I don't blame women for non-initiating because, frankly, you don't
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So, I think there's no need for you to initiate.
01:09:10.120
I don't think there's no blame to put on anyone for initiating it first or not.
01:09:14.760
I think it's just a natural thing that if someone wants to initiate it before then, like, a guy
01:09:20.160
or a girl, like, you can initiate it if you feel that.
01:09:23.480
I mean, it's not a guy's role or it's a girl's role.
01:09:26.880
Like, I think it's just who wants to do it first.
01:09:30.480
I also think, like, women, I've heard from so many women, like, they like being pursued,
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Do you guys, do you guys like being pursued by a guy that you like?
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But at the same time, like, if I see a guy that I really, like, think is, like, attractive
01:09:50.200
and cute and I like his personality, like, I don't blame myself.
01:09:55.620
Like, I don't feel bad if he doesn't come up to me.
01:09:57.760
Like, I would much rather introduce myself than just let him walk away.
01:10:08.520
Can you speak the microphone just a bit that way?
01:10:17.160
Do you do that more frequently than the guy does, though?
01:10:22.260
But, like, I've definitely done it when, like, he hasn't come up to me and I'm just like,
01:10:30.420
Like, I mean, if you, like, introduce yourself, I mean, obviously they're going to talk.
01:10:35.940
And I think they want to know more about you when you're like, oh, hey, this is who I am.
01:10:41.220
Let me lay it all, like, out on the table, you know?
01:10:44.040
I mean, like, I think that it's not a big deal if a guy comes up to you first or a girl
01:10:52.020
So, I have a really, like, juicy and productive question for this conversation on this subject.
01:10:57.840
What's, like, the smoothest, most natural way a guy has, like, ever approached you,
01:11:05.720
They compliment what I'm wearing and usually they compliment my glasses because it's already
01:11:11.520
They're so sick and they're already talking to me and then they'll just start the conversation.
01:11:15.940
It's smooth because it's like they could be coming to me as a friend and so it's kind
01:11:20.820
And then they hit on me within the next five minutes.
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Hold on, before we do that, I just, we got to get caught up on some super chats here.
01:11:46.240
Yo, you're the man for supporting Brian's podcast with $20.
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Sin, Sinaj, Sinaj with the, I believe, Australian $10, man.
01:12:03.520
Hopefully, this podcast gained some steam because you've obviously put a lot of work into it.
01:12:10.640
I'm like, I'm like blushing right now, you guys.
01:12:19.260
And yeah, definitely put a lot of work into the podcast, into the studio space.
01:12:23.680
You know, it's, I thought I'd get going in two weeks.
01:12:27.000
It took me six months to get everything set up and figured out.
01:12:31.580
Probably like $70,000 in the red on this whole venture.
01:12:37.940
Yo, if you guys like the effort that Brian has put into this podcast, type whatever takes over in all caps and put it in the freaking chat, y'all.
01:13:04.740
It's when you were talking about a certain thing.
01:13:26.680
The girls are tired of the DMs being bombarded by the creeps of the chats.
01:13:51.760
Just make sure we don't miss any super chats in that.
01:13:55.760
Wait, but so British pounds, but he's in Oakland.
01:14:12.800
If airplane pilot is a female, I'm jumping out the plane.
01:14:49.520
Vile is saying that he would save himself for Sydney.
01:14:53.980
I'll do the same as Chase did for the girl with the ring on the nose.
01:15:29.400
Hey, by the way, thank you for the super sticker.
01:15:32.940
Why don't you let us know what currency that is?
01:15:34.920
I believe it's Colombian peso, but I could be wrong.
01:15:44.260
Hey, Vile, thanks for supporting Brian's podcast.
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We might have to bump it to 20 if this guy blasts it.
01:15:57.340
It's like these girls can't not say like, like every other word.
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Edward Scornfield, thank you for the $10 super chat.
01:16:18.240
By the way, Edward, open invitation if you want to come on the show, man.
01:16:21.960
Edward Scornfield with the second $10 super chat.
01:16:24.920
Dude in the gray, not the host, definitely gives into women's frame by speaking in this
01:16:37.060
I'm curious what Edward thought I was giving into the women's frame on.
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I think it was during the therapy session at the beginning.
01:16:50.740
Edward Scornfield with the $10 super chat, as in the dude in gray say like, like all the
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time, like all the chicks who have impacted the sea.
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I think it's just blurred out whenever I hear like.
01:17:12.840
Edward, can you like explain like what you mean?
01:17:57.120
Yeah, basically I did this video a long time ago called, Will You Be My Valentine?
01:18:02.560
I walked around Santa Barbara City College and asked people to be my valentine.
01:18:08.580
And one of the interactions in particular was with this girl named Erica.
01:18:14.360
And I, I released the behind the scenes footage, which is on my second channel, by the way, guys,
01:18:22.720
I don't think I dropped the ball, but I, you know, I'm doing a YouTube video.
01:18:29.120
And everyone's like, oh, Brian, you shouldn't have done that.
01:18:37.560
Did you say, but do you still want to be my valentine?
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I am doing a video, but maybe we could on the 14th, you know, let's.
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So I got her number and then just, I don't know.
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But, and then I saw her a couple of times and then anyways.
01:19:15.540
But yeah, everyone lambasts me in the comments for the behind the scenes video.
01:19:42.360
And if one goes south, I always got to rebound.
01:20:03.580
I don't know if you see his profile photo, but look at that.
01:20:12.900
Are we talking about the seeking arrangements thing again?
01:20:25.120
If she's in your house, you can remove the blouse.
01:20:50.780
Like I said, what we will extend the same offer that we did to Mike Davis.
01:20:54.460
If you want to come, we can, we can put you in the disguise.
01:21:03.480
We want to see if you talk the same, you know, in person.
01:21:13.780
I've had a bunch I've wanted to ask, but the convo's just kind of been going.
01:21:25.680
So, you guys, more often than not, are you initiating or is the guy initiating?
01:21:33.600
So, I will say before, more often they would initiate, but like if we're talking about like
01:21:39.320
going to a club or something and we, I see a guy that I like and he's not coming up to
01:21:42.940
me within like five minutes, I'll go up to him.
01:21:49.720
But then after that, it's kind of like, are they putting in an effort to talk to me?
01:21:56.240
Are they putting in an effort to actually come see me?
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Or is it kind of like a, what are you doing at like 12 a.m.?
01:22:01.620
So, I initiate at first and then I guess I die out.
01:22:23.600
I feel like when you guys were talking about how like when you're in a relationship and
01:22:26.680
you get out of it, you can finally see what you want.
01:22:29.300
I feel like I don't know what I want until I see it.
01:22:32.480
And so, I want a guy that kind of takes care of me, but also that I can kind of take care
01:22:37.880
Like, it's not all about like, oh, I need to be taken care of.
01:22:41.500
I need to be like, you said, would you open the door for a guy?
01:22:45.260
I would take care of him too, but if he does it for me.
01:23:09.200
So, that's like a personally, I need them to be taller.
01:23:15.960
So, I need someone to be at least like six foot because I'm 5'9", and I wear heels.
01:23:20.860
I'm okay with being an inch taller than you, but I don't know.
01:23:40.300
But like, I'm aware, I'm going to be barefoot at my wedding.
01:23:45.080
Uh, really quick, we'll go around the table on the height thing.
01:23:52.360
Wait, so what do you want to do about height-wise?
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You literally said, shorter girls like taller guys.
01:24:22.560
Like, what height would you like your guy to be to sleep with or date or be in a relationship with?
01:24:29.780
I really don't care if I'm being totally honest.
01:24:56.880
But, I'm saying I don't mind them, but I do, I do prefer someone over 6'3".
01:25:11.300
Probably, like, fucking, like, he was so short.
01:25:21.120
Yes, because my last relationship, I was with a 6'4 guy.
01:25:25.180
By the way, they're not going to see you there, Chase.
01:25:29.940
He looked exactly the same everything, and one was 6'4", and one was, like, a little shorter.
01:25:40.540
I'm 5'2", and honestly, I don't really, I mean, I guess I would like to be with a guy
01:25:47.720
that's taller than me, but my minimum would be, like, 5'7", 5'8".
01:26:07.240
So, heights one, let's talk a bit about some other things.
01:26:11.400
So, for your life partner, husband, if you ever want to have that, I know you guys, a
01:26:18.960
lot of you, I mean, you're 24, right, and then you guys are 19, 20?
01:26:24.060
So, you're probably not, at the moment, really eyeballing, this is going to be my life partner
01:26:31.580
But let's say maybe for you guys, as you get a bit older, let's say when you're in your
01:26:35.660
mid-20s or something, how much money would you like your partner to earn per year?
01:26:52.580
So, personally, I don't need them to make, they need to have a job, but I don't need them
01:27:00.800
I mean, if it makes them happy, because I'm going to be making a lot of money.
01:27:05.960
So, you, would you be okay in a situation where you're the breadwinner and you're supporting
01:27:13.000
And they're actually, they're doing stuff, they're not just sitting at the house, like,
01:27:21.760
Yeah, as long as they're doing stuff that, like, is actually going towards something,
01:27:26.540
But, personally, I, so, with my ex, he did make a lot of money and then paid for all
01:27:40.880
So, but then going into that relationship and having that stability and having that, like,
01:27:44.980
oh my God, like, this could be my future, it felt nice.
01:27:47.900
So, I mean, to live alone in Orange County, because that's where I'm from, Irvine, you
01:27:53.440
have to make a six-figure, like, salary, no matter what, to even live in, like, an apartment
01:28:04.100
By the way, Chase, I mean, Chase, we can't see you if you're.
01:28:06.320
Bro, it's either, like, I can't see the screen.
01:28:51.960
Yeah, so for your life partner or husband, let's say, as you get into your mid-20s, late-20s,
01:28:57.840
how much money would you like him to earn per year, bare minimum?
01:29:02.540
So, I've actually thought about this, like, a lot.
01:29:05.520
Like, not, like, recently, but, like, when I was probably, like, 15, 16, when, like, I
01:29:12.780
started thinking about, like, oh, like, like, one day I'm going to be married.
01:29:15.560
Like, I mean, I was thinking about that, like, way earlier in life, you know, when I was, like,
01:29:19.800
a kid, you know, in, like, elementary school and middle school.
01:29:22.020
Because, like, you always, like, fantasize, like, about, you know, like, you're, like,
01:29:25.240
your, like, dream guy when you, like, watch movies and stuff.
01:29:27.500
And, like, I think my opinion has definitely changed a lot about, like, you know, like,
01:29:32.540
oh, like, I want, like, a guy who's making, like, so much money so we can have, like, a big
01:29:35.860
house, we can have a lot of kids and, like, a bunch of dogs and, like, cool cars and stuff.
01:29:40.840
But I think my values have changed a lot since then, you know, and, like, you don't need
01:29:49.940
So as long as, like, I'm in a good relationship with myself and with my partner, I don't really
01:29:55.300
think it matters how much we make as long as, you know, there's a roof under our head, we
01:29:58.680
have food, we have water, clothes on our back, whatever.
01:30:03.140
Because everything else kind of goes out the window if, like, you're not happy.
01:30:14.320
I feel like, Sydney, I feel like you have your priorities straight.
01:30:18.660
And that's actually the best compliment that I get, not, like, oh, like, are you, like,
01:30:21.760
you're attractive, you know, like, hey, like, you're really intelligent, like, you're
01:30:25.700
very wise, like, you're very mature for your age.
01:30:28.440
You're very responsible, and you know exactly what you want, just like you said.
01:30:35.300
So you don't care about money, or you wouldn't care about money at all?
01:30:38.920
I mean, listen, no, I said as long as we have, he doesn't need to put a roof over
01:30:46.340
my head as long as we can do it together, because I know I'm not going to sit around
01:30:50.080
I'm not going to let somebody run, you know, everything on their own.
01:30:56.300
If I'm not working, I don't feel okay with myself.
01:31:01.960
I'm always needing to make money, because I don't want someone to just support me, like,
01:31:14.880
Listen, I mean, I think all these other girls here are very responsible.
01:31:33.040
No, I thought that was a very wholesome answer, and I meant what I said.
01:31:37.440
I think you have your priorities straight, because there's a lot of chicks out there.
01:31:42.540
Honestly, I think this whole group in general is a little bit out of the loop.
01:31:45.600
Like, I feel like you guys do have, like, priorities straight, and you guys do think
01:31:49.380
a little differently than, like, what most women would think.
01:32:01.480
I've met a lot of girls from, like, down near L.A. and stuff, and, like, super materialistic
01:32:18.580
I mean, honestly, like what Sydney was saying, I want to work as well, and I don't think a
01:32:28.380
I'm not going to put all my eggs in one basket where I, like, rely on him to make money, like,
01:32:39.980
I think I can do it for myself, so I'm not going to depend on someone else to really, you
01:32:47.080
Because I grew up having a mom who, she always taught me, like, you know, you can't depend
01:32:57.220
And, like, us both, I mean, we've grown up, like, understanding that, and I don't think
01:33:02.640
that I would rely on a guy anytime soon, or even in the midst.
01:33:10.240
No, I think I'm always going to have my own individual, you know, income, exactly.
01:33:19.760
I mean, I want to be a teacher, but I also want to major in bio, so I think I'm going to
01:33:32.700
Some amazing guy comes along, super confident, super funny, loves you a lot, he's handsome,
01:33:46.280
So, super confident, super funny, he's handsome, and he is just, like, super in love with you,
01:33:52.220
and he wants to put a ring on your finger, and he doesn't want you to work.
01:34:00.460
I mean, like, I'd love to be a stay-at-home mom.
01:34:03.820
So, in that instance, would you give up the independence?
01:34:07.020
Yeah, in that instance, yes, I would love to do that, but I'm not going to depend on
01:34:13.700
But you can't be a stay-at-home mom unless you have a partner that can enable you to do
01:34:22.620
He said if he was willing to give her that lifestyle, like, would she take it?
01:34:27.240
And, like, I mean, I'm pretty sure, would you all take that?
01:34:30.820
If a guy was willing to provide for you, like, you don't really have to worry, you can be a
01:34:39.200
I mean, I've been in a situation where I've had, like, an ex-boyfriend, and he was, like,
01:34:45.520
And, like, he'd always ask me, like, oh, like, if we were to be together, like, I could take
01:34:50.980
And I'd always be, like, I don't necessarily need you.
01:34:55.560
I want to be the person that makes my own money.
01:35:00.900
I don't want to have to struggle if we were to separate.
01:35:03.280
What if you wanted to be married to you, though?
01:35:07.900
I think it's her personal, like, want to actually be some, do something for herself.
01:35:12.260
I want to be, I want to be able to, like, be at a stable, like, financial situation
01:35:23.860
And no matter how much, like, someone says, like, oh, I'll give you the world, like, you
01:35:32.600
Now, let's say you're getting into your, like, later 20s and you meet a guy and he wants
01:35:40.840
My mom was a single mother and my father was very, he financially stable at the time
01:35:51.480
And honestly, when they divorced, like, she was on her own.
01:35:56.400
And she has always taught me the same thing over and over and over again, was she wanted
01:36:07.260
Yeah, she kept working and she grinded for three kids and we're both at similar ages.
01:36:12.120
She had to pay for college for all of us at the same time for high school and for our
01:36:20.860
Like, and so that's someone that I look up to, like, and I'll always be that person.
01:36:28.220
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
01:36:33.340
Maybe we should wait until the other, until she's back.
01:36:56.860
I still want to hear the answers to the question I asked you guys.
01:37:02.120
My question to you guys, we could do it after we go to Brian's question if you guys want,
01:37:06.500
was, like, your guys' examples of, like, the smoothest, most natural times when, like,
01:37:26.600
Do you want to do the rate the looks one first?
01:37:47.280
Yeah, like, give me an example of a time where, like, a guy, like, asked you how it felt
01:37:56.540
So I think I mentioned this previously, actually, when we were talking about, like, the whole,
01:38:03.400
like, you know, making money thing, and you said something to me about, like, how, I don't,
01:38:09.120
I forgot exactly what you said, you know, verbatim, I don't remember, so I'm not going to say it,
01:38:12.980
but I think when a guy comes up to me and says, like, like, the way that I come off, you know, like, my...
01:38:27.080
Like, like, they like the way that I think, you know, the way that I speak.
01:38:32.620
I think that's, like, that's such a, you know, turn on for me.
01:38:37.040
As in, like, comparison to, like, if they started complimenting, like, your physical looks, you'd
01:38:42.340
I would prefer, honestly, because, like, I know I'm a good-looking girl, you know?
01:38:48.480
That's not, like, something I have to question.
01:38:50.700
I don't look in the mirror and be like, oh, I'm a fucking liar.
01:38:58.220
Yeah, no, I genuinely believe that, you know, I'm a pretty girl.
01:39:02.580
My mom tells me all the time, you know, so I don't need to look...
01:39:07.560
You don't need that guy to tell you that you look good.
01:39:10.200
I mean, I've been through some heavy shit, you know, and I had to find myself worth in
01:39:13.460
that process, and it took me a really long time, and sometimes I still, like, I forget
01:39:18.240
Sometimes I will look at myself and be like, eh, like, you could fix these things about
01:39:21.540
yourself, but that's why, like, I continuously work on myself, you know?
01:39:24.620
But, like, when a guy really, like, goes over how you look and appreciates your wisdom
01:39:32.300
and what you have to give, you know, I think that's really, really important.
01:39:43.760
Well, first off, let me just say that that resonates with me, too.
01:39:45.960
That's one of my favorite things to get complimented on, because your looks, that's, like, surface
01:39:51.000
You're not really, like, earning it, so to speak, right?
01:40:01.020
Like, I can try to, like, make myself look good, right?
01:40:04.300
I can change the way I look by putting on some makeup or, like, you know, changing my outfit.
01:40:08.500
But when you get complimented on your intelligence, they're complimenting you for who you truly
01:40:34.880
I wanted to ask that question, because, like, I feel like there's probably a number of dudes
01:40:38.240
that are listening to these podcasts trying to, like, figure out how to maybe be better
01:40:42.040
with women or, like, learn more about women and stuff, and we talked about how dudes
01:40:45.940
get nervous making the first moves and how guys need to make the first move, and so
01:40:50.640
I figured I'd tee you guys up to give the bros some examples of times when guys have
01:40:55.280
made really good moves on you guys, so that they could, the guys listening could be like,
01:41:00.260
For me, I think it's mostly, like, if you bring, like, a good energy and, like, are
01:41:05.700
true to yourself and, like, just bring that, like, that fun, I feel like any girl would
01:41:19.260
Honestly, wait, I just, I got to come in on this.
01:41:29.960
But you can also ask the fish about how they got fished.
01:41:52.720
Like, a smooth thing that a guy said to you to get your number or to ask you out, right?
01:41:59.000
For guys, oftentimes, if I, like, if I see a really attractive girl out in public and
01:42:03.860
I'm like, damn, she's, like, amazing, I'll, like, get in my head, like, how do I open
01:42:09.760
Well, the best way for me is, like, if I'm in the store, for example, maybe I'll see something
01:42:20.640
No, like, if she has, like, if she has, like, grass-fed steak or something, like, I might
01:42:26.340
ask her what kind of, you know, cut steak she got or something like that.
01:42:36.200
So it's, you spark up your conversation based on what she has in her basket.
01:42:49.520
She could be wearing a t-shirt for a band, and if I like that band, I'll ask her what
01:42:54.260
99% of the time, the girls don't actually listen to the band.
01:43:01.960
The point of asking the question, though, is what good lines have you guys received?
01:43:07.940
Yeah, I haven't had, like, good, like, pickup lines where a guy is just, like, super, like,
01:43:17.020
I don't think that I've necessarily had, like, a cheesy pickup line.
01:43:27.040
People have come up to me and be like, like, they're like, oh, you're gorgeous.
01:43:43.320
If you comment on someone's, like, personality and, yeah, like, maybe how they look.
01:43:48.740
Like, say your eyes are beautiful or, like, your eyes are so big, they're so beautiful.
01:44:10.140
Usually when I'm at, like, a party and they'll see me, like, with my friends and, like, being lit,
01:44:14.120
they'll come up to me and be like, I really love your vibe.
01:44:30.160
What if a guy came up to you and said he'd like to do nothing more but smear you with
01:44:36.240
green paint and spank you like a disobedient avocado?
01:45:03.200
What was that one that you parted from Mike Davis?
01:45:11.000
I just want to ask this question, but everyone needs to keep going.
01:45:15.720
The whole talking delusional, you're so into it.
01:45:28.900
No, but I actually have something to say about that.
01:45:37.480
It's very easy to clown people who are living life on easy mode, who think they got something
01:45:52.820
It's very easy to clown people who are living life on easy mode, who think they got something
01:46:00.080
I think they're saying people who are delusional thinking they have things figured out.
01:46:10.620
Okay, Val Runtala, thank you for the Colombian, 20,000 Colombian pesos.
01:46:43.660
Side note, white shirt twin and Sydney got something going on.
01:46:54.260
People have thought in the past, like, whatever.
01:47:04.660
Put on 40 pounds and see if men complement your intelligence.
01:47:13.080
And I was still getting complimented on my personality.
01:47:17.460
Do you think that more guys approach you, though?
01:47:21.900
I mean, I went, I got, like, sent away to, like, a boarding school, and they just made
01:47:26.100
Oh, I thought you were about to say you got sent away to fat camp.
01:47:44.880
The thing is, you can't really, like, depict off of numbers.
01:48:02.800
But did you, did that kind of wrap up your response to Mike Davis?
01:48:15.540
Stifler, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
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There's nothing wrong with saying like, I don't know, that you look good.
01:48:59.780
Like if you rate yourself high, there's nothing wrong with that.
01:49:03.260
I think it's more about confidence within your own body.
01:49:25.080
I don't know why they want to see my hairline for it.
01:49:40.640
Has a guy with a blue check mark ever slid into your DMs?
01:49:59.860
But no, yeah, there's a lot of blue check marks in there.
01:50:01.920
I mean, I have like a small following on TikTok and Instagram, so that's probably how they see
01:50:08.600
Well, I have 25.6 thousand followers on TikTok, and then I have like 5,000 on Instagram.
01:50:40.700
And some like rappers, singers, random producers, stuff like that.
01:50:48.500
Well, they just talk like normal people, to be honest.
01:50:57.760
So they have to reply and just kind of be like almost taken aback by me.
01:51:02.060
And they're like, oh my God, you're so beautiful.
01:51:09.180
How many times have you gone out with blue checks?
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Or like I go out to LA a lot and everyone that has blue check marks.
01:51:44.880
But you guys have been DMs out of blue on Instagram by guys before, right?
01:51:57.780
I think it has more of, like when I post like a story on my Instagram, a lot more people
01:52:07.160
How many, if you just had to estimate how many guys have DMed you, what would you say?
01:52:42.480
Most of them are just like, do you ever like go in your like DM list and it's like requested
01:52:50.640
where like they like want to hit you up, but you don't follow them exactly?
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And it's more like fake sugar daddies or like something like that.
01:53:09.760
Sydney, has a guy with a blue check mark ever slid into your DMs?
01:53:32.320
How many would you say you've gone in the past three years from just guys hitting you
01:53:46.980
I mean, in the past two years, I was in a relationship and I made it known.
01:53:54.160
Just because I made it known that I did not want anybody else like, you know.
01:54:07.460
I've had like, in the past like three years, I want to say like 10.
01:54:17.660
Besides like the whole like, if we're saying like, that are like people like, that aren't
01:54:24.080
Yeah, I'm talking like guys sliding into your DMs.
01:54:29.260
Like, let's like, you know, like something like that.
01:54:38.460
Like, I post, but I don't really like, I don't sit and scroll.
01:54:45.040
Because I find it surprising that only 10 guys have slid into your DMs.
01:54:48.760
I post probably like, maybe like, I mean like recently, like I posted like three times
01:54:56.880
But I post probably like once every two months.
01:55:06.640
So, Allison, how many, not counting blue check marks, how many guys have DMed you?
01:55:22.920
So, I just, just to bring it to the guys, Chase, has a girl with a blue check mark ever
01:55:36.640
Like, I've done work with like celebrities and stuff, so.
01:55:39.600
Oh, so it was like a business inquiry, but I mean more so like they're sliding into your
01:56:02.000
But it doesn't sound like it's been only a handful of times, if I recall correctly from
01:56:10.040
No, yeah, it was a little more frequent, but like, I wouldn't say it was anything compared
01:56:17.220
That's why I'm really surprised that you guys are like on that low of a number.
01:56:24.440
So, I'm not sure if it's just like the California thing that's like Sony.
01:56:40.920
I'd be curious to know after tonight, how many dudes DM you guys?
01:56:47.120
Like, we've heard back from a lot of the girls from previous shows and like, well, one
01:56:52.180
of the girls, she has an OnlyFans and we linked it in her description or in the description
01:56:57.860
She said a whole bunch of people subbed to her like, and just a bunch of DMs from guys
01:57:08.480
So, you brought up sugar daddy, sugar, sugar babies.
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Have any of you been in a sugar baby, sugar daddy situation?
01:57:23.540
There are some legitimate ones that I get, but it's mostly like fee pics and stuff.
01:57:29.860
Have you ever sent a fee pic for like 500 bucks or what?
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And I was like seeing, I didn't want to even set up my profile.
01:57:48.400
I didn't even put my picture up because I just like looked at the feed and I was like,
01:58:11.420
Not from the website, but let's just say some guy came along.
01:58:20.840
If he's not super old and it's not about sex, yes.
01:58:24.920
Because there are like the fin dom relationships, like financial dominance, where like you don't
01:58:28.700
have to actually have sex with them or anything.
01:58:33.500
Because then I could just get paid for telling them what to do.
01:58:38.240
Like some guys really just like to be told what to do.
01:58:40.460
And if I was saying give me a hundred dollars, they'll do it.
01:58:42.820
Can I just get a girl that wants to be fin domed?
01:58:46.360
Where are the girls at that want to be fin domed?
01:58:50.640
Pay me a thousand dollars to not sleep with you?
01:59:06.380
You were on Seeking Arrangements, but then dipped.
01:59:20.780
Two years ago for like two days, me and one of my girlfriends, who I'm not friends with
01:59:26.220
We actually went on like Omegle and we were just like, just like for fun, you know, like
01:59:31.740
And someone asked us for feet pics and we were like, okay, harmless, right?
01:59:38.980
They asked us for our like cash app, ended up sending us like 50 bucks, literally just
02:00:00.980
It was like, we ended up just like skipping through a bunch of people and we were like,
02:00:14.780
Like, I mean, if you're like into feet, like you're into feet.
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I'm not, but like money's money and it's so harmless.
02:00:25.520
We thought it was like hilarious that people were like paying to see our feet, you know?
02:00:39.300
Bro, these guys are like fucking shit up for regular dudes.
02:00:50.520
I mean, I guess like we have some pretty nice feet.
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Like, I don't want to be told that I have ugly feet.
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So like hearing that I have like nice feet is just.
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You know, honestly, I'm going to change my answer.
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I'd rather be told that I have beautiful feet than I have a beautiful mind.
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And I've never been on seeking arrangements or anything.
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But you've been, a guy's offered to fly you somewhere.
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It was, so it was yes, but then he said I can invite all of my girls.
02:02:03.080
Wait, so this guy you're seeing paid for you and your girlfriends.
02:02:09.000
So we were staying in like a big ass house with his friends, but we didn't pay for anything.
02:02:14.000
And then he said it could either just be me or like all my friends and everything's free.
02:02:20.920
Oh, it was just where you were already living, but there's a staff.
02:02:23.820
No, we drove from Orange County to the Bay Area.
02:02:45.400
Have you guys heard the stories about what happens to the chicks that get flown out to Dubai?
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I mean basically these very wealthy men in Dubai have some, I don't want to go into detail,
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If a girl has been flown out to Dubai, it's a huge red flag.
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I mean, some of them might do violent stuff, but like just disgusting things.
02:03:51.280
Super wealthy guys will give chicks crazy amounts of money.
02:03:55.940
The more money that you have, the weirder your kids get.
02:03:59.460
I've heard a lot of the really hot Instagram models with lots of followers.
02:04:15.880
I feel like the more money you have, the worse your kinks are.
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I feel like even people that don't have money have kinks.
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They're just not willing to pay for those types of shit.
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Or they're not willing to show it off because they don't have enough money to like back it up.
02:04:29.540
I feel like it's like these dudes have so much money that like they get desensitized to the stimulation, you know?
02:04:40.440
I mean, don't kink shame me, but let me kink shame.
02:05:01.280
No, so I've never had a girl with a blue check DM me.
02:05:05.960
Um, and I've only been, I've only been DM'd three times, two, three times by girls, not even in Santa Barbara.
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Uh, and they're not like, Brian, I'm going to fly to you.
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They're just like going to slide into the DMs and then that's it.
02:05:25.480
Maybe if, maybe if they're in SoCal, they might.
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Um, I had one girl like try to meet, well, it didn't happen, but, uh, they just send nudes and then it just, nothing ever happens.
02:05:37.700
But, um, and, uh, but yeah, so it's tough out there for guys.
02:05:59.680
Um, we'll, we'll get some super chats in a bit.
02:06:04.220
What do you think are some preferences, standards, or boundaries that men have that you think are unfair or unreasonable or that you take issue with?
02:06:19.540
Like you're saying like, well, like things that like.
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Um, so there are things that basically things that guys like or preferences or standards or boundaries that men have that you disagree with or you take issue with or you think are unfair or unreasonable.
02:06:34.160
And, uh, why don't we start with Alice in the career?
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The only thing that pops up is like body count.
02:06:47.480
I feel like a lot of guys that have higher body counts want girls with the lowest body count or like virgins.
02:07:01.740
Well, you're saying you feel like the guys who want the lower body counts are virgins?
02:07:05.980
I'm saying the guys who have the highest body counts want the girls with the lowest body counts.
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They know what happens when chicks get ran through.
02:07:26.260
We'll talk about it, but I just want to let everybody answer.
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So what do you think are some preferences, standards, or boundaries that men have that you think are unfair or unreasonable or that you take issue with?
02:07:59.020
I think, like, guys being, like, very possessive, it's like they, like, show to their, like, homeboys or whatever, like, oh, look, like, she's mine.
02:08:06.100
But I think, like, being, like, super possessive is almost, like, a huge turnoff because it's, like, you have, like, you know, control of this, like, woman when, like, no, you don't.
02:08:20.380
And, like, possessing that or, like, keeping, like, her accountable and, like, maybe, like, I don't know.
02:08:26.540
It feels suffocating and I don't think that's right.
02:08:36.240
I feel like that was a statement kind of, like, with trauma behind it.
02:08:40.660
Well, and also, just, I want to just, to clarify my question, that's certainly a behavior in men that you can take issue with, but it was more so preferences, standards, or boundaries that men have for women.
02:08:52.700
So, for example, a preference for a guy might be, like, the body count one, or it might be guys who want girls with an early hourglass figure.
02:09:06.080
Like, guys who want women, maybe if they want women to adhere to their traditional gender roles, or they want women who are more quiet, for example, or feminine, or submissive.
02:09:20.900
So, you take, you don't like that when a guy wants a woman who's submissive?
02:09:26.680
I think it's, like, they're, like, maybe, like, putting, like, they're holding her to a standard that, like, it may not be like that for her.
02:09:35.560
Do you think it's, like, they want to hold her to a standard, or it's because they know that a lot of girls are, like, an assertive man?
02:09:45.100
I think that these girls, I mean, can pick a, you know, standard for themselves and either be super dominant or super, you know, not dominant, and that's okay for them.
02:09:56.120
I mean, it shouldn't be, like, a standard you hold to someone, you know?
02:10:01.660
I feel like there's a difference between controlling and assertive, too.
02:10:05.920
Some men, some men want a woman who will follow their lead.
02:10:17.220
Like, I definitely want a woman that would follow my lead.
02:10:19.660
And if a girl doesn't want to do that, we're obviously not right for each other.
02:10:24.880
What do you mean, a girl that follows your lead?
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Because there's a fine line between controlling her and, like, being assertive towards her and being, like, we're going to do this.
02:10:41.220
Would you want her to be independent and do her own thing, too?
02:10:45.160
I mean, she can have her own stuff if she wants.
02:10:47.560
But, like, when I, this is one of the things, this is one of the core values that I want for, like, my household and my family is, like, I want to be, like, the leader and the authority of the household.
02:10:57.080
So, like, if there's a big decision, obviously, I'm going to talk it out with my wife.
02:11:01.540
But, like, ultimately, the responsibility for everything that happens to my family is going to fall on me as a man.
02:11:10.820
And, like, that doesn't mean that, like, I want to be some freaking dictator.
02:11:27.260
Now, if there's, like, a big disagreement over something important, like, another goal that I have for my family is, at the end of the day, I want to provide for my wife and my kids.
02:11:37.100
And, like, if there's a big disagreement over something, because I'm responsible for what happens to the family, like, I expect her to respect my final say on that thing.
02:11:47.880
Again, like, obviously, we're going to talk it out.
02:11:56.400
And if a woman doesn't trust me, obviously, we're not right for one another.
02:12:04.720
So I just wanted to, like, wanted, I guess, to be said exactly what you wanted.
02:12:09.220
You know, draw that line that it's not really that you want to be controlling, that you just want her to trust you.
02:12:18.260
In the past, like, guys have been very insecure about, like, what I wear in public.
02:12:24.900
And I want to know, like, how that, like, if you had a girlfriend and she went out in whatever she wanted to wear and it was appealing towards men, I'm wondering, like, what your guys' position in that?
02:12:40.660
So basically, your question is, what are stances on our girlfriends going out, wearing revealing clothing?
02:12:51.800
So my take on this, and I have a kind of interesting take.
02:13:05.480
So for a relationship, my expectation for a girl, if she's going to be in a serious relationship with me, she can't go out.
02:13:14.280
Occasionally, if she wants to do whatever, that's okay.
02:13:21.380
Like, are we talking to clubs, bars, or, like, restaurants with her friends?
02:13:24.660
No, like, restaurants with her friends, that's fine.
02:13:27.320
But, like, if she's going out to party, it's a deal breaker for me.
02:13:50.660
Because in the same way that someone might want to have someone that enjoys the same types of films
02:13:56.000
and the same types of music as them, I don't go to bars.
02:14:00.420
I would rather masturbate with sandpaper than go to a nightclub or a bar.
02:14:06.460
If my girlfriend, if my girl, if my girl goes to bars and clubs, that's just a, we don't have the same interests.
02:14:16.440
I might hook up with a girl, but if she, it's predetermined on a Friday or Saturday night
02:14:21.720
that she's going to bars and clubs and parties, it's not, I might hook up with her,
02:14:28.340
So case closed, you wouldn't go with a girl that's going out?
02:14:34.860
For me to take her seriously, it's going to be an issue for me if she's going out partying on the weekends.
02:14:52.840
Y'all get very prepared before you go out to the clubs or anything like that.
02:14:58.600
And almost all the time, it's because you guys, obviously you guys want to have fun,
02:15:07.140
It's not true that you guys are excited to meet guys.
02:15:15.260
For me, when I was in my relationship, so I was doing long distance with my boyfriend.
02:15:24.300
It's like, I was doing it for, like, eight months.
02:15:26.560
And he would go out on the weekends, and I would, like, dread the weekends coming up
02:15:31.280
because I would be sitting at my house, you know, like, I was in beauty school,
02:15:34.620
but, like, besides beauty school, like, I was just working, you know,
02:15:38.640
I was staying in Chicago, you know, so I had literally nothing.
02:15:41.180
And he would go out, and I wouldn't understand, like, why he wanted to go out so much, you know?
02:15:47.600
And then I would question myself, and I'd be like, like, well, is he going out to, like,
02:15:52.900
go hang out with the boys, or is he going to these parties to go, like, talk to, like, other girls, too, you know?
02:16:07.120
It was long-distance for eight months, and then we...
02:16:17.900
Like, I mean, he went to a bar, like, a couple times,
02:16:19.360
but, like, he would go to, like, parties on campus
02:16:21.580
because he went to school at a very small school,
02:16:34.200
All right, so just because she's talking about a guy who's long-distance,
02:16:37.860
why does that, like, give you, like, a whole automatically, like,
02:16:43.880
Do you go to bars and parties and clubs to hook up with the audience?
02:16:52.940
It's not 100% of the time, but I can say for myself and my friends,
02:16:58.240
every single party we've gone to, like, there's a part of you that's, like,
02:17:11.560
And there were times when I was a teenager and I had a girlfriend,
02:17:14.600
and I would go to parties because all my friends were going to it
02:17:17.340
and I wanted to go there and I didn't want to miss it,
02:17:24.600
It wasn't because I had the intention to cheat,
02:17:29.840
Like, if there was a hot girl there, part of me is, like, it's curious, you know?
02:17:34.840
I think when people go out in situations where they're around other attractive people
02:17:39.640
Yeah, especially when you've got alcohol in your system.
02:17:43.160
I think that there's something called self-control.
02:17:46.760
And you can control yourself and you can have a good time without hooking up.
02:17:50.960
You don't have to search for anybody in those situations.
02:17:53.260
But to pretend that people go to parties and bars and clubs,
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not because they're interested in the opposite sex.
02:18:00.660
I mean, I wouldn't necessarily want a girlfriend that went out all the time,
02:18:09.520
So to a certain extent, it's fine to go out, you know?
02:18:13.120
But, like, once you're doing it repetitively, you know, with your girls,
02:18:16.860
it's kind of getting to the point where it's like,
02:18:18.200
all right, what the hell is she really out there for?
02:18:20.500
If it's a common pattern and there's alcohol involved
02:18:24.360
and the opposite sex is involved and it's at nighttime,
02:18:31.840
But if she were to invite you out to party with.
02:18:34.720
If she was to invite me, that's totally different.
02:18:40.580
She can go out anyway, and you're still going to think,
02:18:46.520
If we were in a serious relationship and my girl was like,
02:18:53.700
It's like the occasional if there's like a birthday party.
02:18:57.980
But if she's going out consistently and it's like a thing that she wants to do,
02:19:11.680
If she were like 20, 21, 22, would she be allowed to go out consistently
02:19:19.800
because she's of that age and she didn't enjoy herself?
02:19:24.860
It's just the standards that I have for the girl I'm dating.
02:19:27.360
So if she does that, okay, we're just no longer in a relationship.
02:19:36.220
It's just like if you want to do that in the same way that you guys might.
02:19:45.160
This isn't a perfect match, and I have a few points on this
02:19:51.800
but how would you feel if your guy went to a strip club?
02:19:56.960
Your long-term serious boyfriend went to a strip club.
02:19:59.320
Personally, I'd be fine with it if he didn't pay for a dance.
02:20:03.640
He doesn't pay for a dance, but he's getting them anyways.
02:20:09.680
Oh, he's just there for his friends to kind of just be there.
02:20:12.880
As long as he got no one dance on him, I don't care.
02:20:39.200
I mean, I haven't been in the position to really know how I personally would feel, but
02:20:50.040
Yeah, honestly, if I wasn't invited, I would ask him why, and we'd have a serious talk about
02:20:55.980
it, and if he, like, kept saying that I wasn't able to go, and it was just for a boys' night
02:21:01.360
out, I would be very upset, but are you comparing situations based on, are we going out to the
02:21:07.940
bars and having fun, and, like, is this comparable to talk about?
02:21:15.940
What do you guys think, if you're in a serious relationship with a guy, what do you think
02:21:32.400
But he's like, there's not another human being.
02:21:34.080
If they don't want to hang out with me, and it's not a real situation.
02:21:41.100
...do their thing, and they're like, you know, I don't know.
02:21:48.860
If porn is porn over having sex with me, that's a problem.
02:21:51.860
If I wasn't, like, around, and, like, they really just need to do something, watch porn.
02:21:56.220
So, then, why would a girl need to go to the club when she can just hang out with me?
02:22:04.780
I was going to say something about that, though.
02:22:09.040
If you expect your girl not to go out to the club, you know, and go partying with her girls,
02:22:13.040
you should be able to put something down at the table where she's going to want to stay and hang out with you.
02:22:17.420
Well, you shouldn't just be chilling and fucking playing video games, watching movies.
02:22:21.540
If I have a boyfriend, I'm not going to go to the clubs without him.
02:22:24.160
If he doesn't want to go, I'm going to stay at home.
02:22:31.180
If he's at work late at night and is doing something else, and you're literally just sitting there doing nothing.
02:22:40.780
See, I was waiting to hear that answer because let me tell you something.
02:22:47.580
I mean, in my best relationships, in my best relationships, I was waiting to hear an answer
02:22:54.220
like that because in my best relationships, the girl wanted to do whatever I wanted to
02:22:57.440
do, and there would be times where she would be like, hey.
02:23:01.640
Yeah, because she was so in love with me that she was like, I just want to spend time with
02:23:10.640
Serious relationship, but he's paying for some other girls' OnlyFans.
02:23:23.960
So what if a guy was financially supporting another woman?
02:23:30.400
So Brian's question, I kind of see it as like the equivalent of this, right?
02:23:38.320
How would you guys feel if you were dating a guy and he wanted to go out to the clubs and
02:23:46.680
And you were like, okay, well, can I come with you?
02:23:48.720
And he was like, no, I'm just going out with the boys to the bars to go drink and stuff.
02:23:54.780
And honestly, when I want to stay home, I'll stay home.
02:23:59.680
You just have to text me every once in a while.
02:24:00.900
But in that situation, if you want to go, let's say in this situation, you wanted to go
02:24:06.560
Well, I would kind of be hurt, but then I'd go find my own plans.
02:24:11.420
You're not like sus that he might cheat on you or anything?
02:24:20.840
There's always a risk, but you can maintain a trustworthy relationship with someone.
02:24:26.020
You can achieve a trustworthy relationship with someone.
02:24:31.120
If one of my boys was doing that, constantly leaving his girl in the dust to go out drinking
02:24:35.340
at the bars and stuff, I'd be like, dog, you're cheating on her, aren't you?
02:24:40.700
Constantly is very different than just a one-time, three-time thing.
02:24:45.000
If you maintain a trustworthy relationship, then it's like, you know...
02:24:50.580
I mean, if it's a one-time thing, that's not a big deal.
02:24:53.460
But we're talking about if the guy wants to go out every weekend.
02:24:58.240
We're talking about if a guy or I guess the girl wanted to go out every weekend, that's
02:25:02.640
just something that is not ideal for a relationship because that's just...
02:25:11.080
Like, a guy going to the club is different than a girl going to the club.
02:25:15.480
Guys going out to the club every weekend, I feel like, would be a lot more suspicious.
02:25:20.000
If she's attractive, there's a 100% chance she's going to get hit on while they're basically...
02:25:26.140
It's totally different because men and women, like, we flirt differently.
02:25:29.940
So, men, if we go to the club and we want to get female attention, we have to go up and
02:25:40.760
We have to take an active participatory role in initiating it, right?
02:25:46.640
But as a girl, if you're in a relationship, you might have no intention of going up to
02:25:53.720
But guys are still going to come up to you because they don't know that you're in a relationship.
02:25:56.940
That's how women flirt is to just be there, to just show up.
02:26:08.220
As a guy, if I go to a club and I'm in a relationship with a girl, ain't no girls coming to hit on
02:26:14.540
But as a girl, if you go to a club and you're in a relationship with a guy with no intention
02:26:18.060
for a guy to come up to you, there's guys that are going to come up to you.
02:26:26.700
And more like, you guys are the ones who come up to us.
02:26:37.960
It's not our, like, we're making a choice to go out.
02:26:40.880
That doesn't necessarily mean that we want to be flirted with.
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I literally can't fucking go get to my car without someone approaching me and asking
02:26:53.800
Literally leaving the gym with my headphones on.
02:26:56.000
This is why I was surprised only 10 dudes have slid into your DMs.
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It happens more often in person than on Instagram.
02:27:07.140
But, of course, you should totally be free to maneuver through the world.
02:27:10.680
But what I'm saying is, specifically with parties, clubs, and bars, those are very specific
02:27:20.040
It's much more guaranteed that you're going to get approached.
02:27:27.140
You could go to Trader Joe's 20 times and nobody's going to talk to you.
02:27:30.240
If you go to a party, club, or bar, somebody's coming to hit on you.
02:27:41.760
It's out of our control if we get approached, but it is fully in our control being in a relationship,
02:27:47.960
If we want to, you know, continue on with that conversation or turn you away.
02:27:55.560
If your girlfriend's going out downtown and all the time or going out to the clubs,
02:27:59.200
there's a question is, is she really going out every time just so she can get that attention?
02:28:13.060
We have no clue unless we get proof, you know, unless a video was taken or something like that.
02:28:17.740
So, why do you guys go to parties, bars, and clubs?
02:28:30.740
So, there's no part of me that's interested in meeting boys.
02:28:32.620
All right, so, just because there are men there.
02:28:38.680
Of course, but, like, when you're in a dedicated place to them.
02:28:42.980
And it's, like, it's not for only, like, the male gaze.
02:28:47.320
I'm going with my girlfriends, and I'm going to go have fun.
02:28:50.340
Just because men are there, and I'm, like, in there, like, open to, like, chatting with me,
02:28:56.600
it doesn't mean I have to put, like, any of myself into that chat.
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I mean, I went to the bar the other night with her, and we literally just went to go play pool.
02:29:08.380
Is one of the ways in which you have fun by getting attention and validation from men?
02:29:24.240
It's not about the kind of guy that comes up to you and says, oh, hey, like, I like how you look.
02:29:33.580
It gets exhausting having so many people approach you.
02:29:35.520
And most of the time, it's just, like, honestly, leave me alone.
02:29:38.040
Like, honestly, I go out to experience a really great time with the people that I love, which they're standing right here.
02:29:53.900
It's hard out there for the guys that like you.
02:30:29.100
It was boarding school because I was misbehaved.
02:30:31.300
But, you know, that's a story for another time.
02:30:38.460
So if you guys meet a girl at the club, or you meet her out, or you meet her, like, you
02:30:42.160
know, all of a sudden when you guys are serious and dating, is that going to be a problem if
02:30:45.940
she goes out every weekend if you met her at the club?
02:30:50.580
So if you, well, you don't go out, so I don't know if this is, like, a question.
02:30:53.000
But, like, if you go out once and you meet the love of your life at the club, you're
02:30:57.480
But if you meet, like, the love of your life at the club, and all of a sudden, she, her
02:31:02.380
going out consistently is a problem, but you met her while you were out.
02:31:08.980
If he knew that she was going out consistently every weekend.
02:31:11.100
But then all of a sudden, he thought he could, like, handle it.
02:31:13.560
If you go into that relationship knowing this, it's kind of, like, you are accepting these
02:31:18.680
You shouldn't have to be, like, all right, now you have to change.
02:31:21.300
You know, like, if you're going to a relationship with a girl that, I don't know, does OnlyFans and
02:31:26.360
But, like, you go into that relationship, and then you tell her to stop.
02:31:29.100
It's kind of, it's not really your, like, you say, you're going into that, accepting
02:31:42.300
You're not going to find a love of your life at the club.
02:31:43.160
So, to answer your question, in this hypothetical scenario where I would tragically find myself
02:31:47.880
in a nightclub, which would be, ah, man, the thing is, is that when
02:32:00.680
There's not an immediate expectation that she's loyal to me, either.
02:32:10.860
So, it's not like the first time you meet someone that she's going to be loyal to you
02:32:16.260
But as you continue seeing each other for longer, then the terms of the relationship
02:32:22.400
So, in the same way that maybe after a couple weeks or, you know, a month or two months, you
02:32:27.120
guys have a discussion, hey, we're going to be monogamous, in that same way, you can
02:32:31.340
also say, hey, if we're going to be in a monogamous relationship, I don't want you going
02:32:44.620
But in her situation, she was saying, if you knew that she was going every weekend,
02:32:48.700
And you basically, like, made it, like, that's okay, basically.
02:32:51.880
And now, all of a sudden, you're taking it back.
02:32:53.300
If she came to me and she said, Brian, I want to be in a monogamous, serious, committed
02:32:57.200
relationship with you, I would say, okay, here are my terms.
02:33:05.320
Wouldn't you just go find someone that fits more into that?
02:33:07.640
And also, why would you go to a club looking for a girl if you don't want a girl in the
02:33:15.600
No, but she gave me this hypothetical scenario.
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This is a dream world hypothetical that I want to pose to you guys.
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I want to try to give you guys a scenario where it can make sense to you why guys have an
02:33:54.980
I can understand you guys' situations and your guys' opinions.
02:33:58.840
I can understand you guys' situations and opinions.
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But that doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with everything you guys said.
02:34:06.260
So, let me paint a dream world hypothetical scenario here for you.
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And, you know, unless as a guy you're like super famous, girls just don't hit up guys.
02:34:22.960
Like in the example I'm about to provide, you know, in the real world, like the vast majority
02:34:27.740
of men go to parties, clubs, and bars straight up would get ignored if they didn't make the
02:34:34.700
Would you be okay with your monogamous, with your long-term monogamous partner going to
02:34:40.000
a nightclub, bar, or party type environment where throughout the course of the night he's
02:34:45.340
going to get approached, flirted with, and sexually pursued by numerous attractive women,
02:34:50.600
some of which are more attractive than you and could potentially be a better partner
02:34:54.460
than you, and these women are buying him drinks, getting him drunk, and enthusiastically want
02:34:59.480
to sleep with him that night and steal him away from you.
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Oh, and his single man hoe friends are rallying, being a bad influence, telling him he should
02:35:11.600
You're going to tell me you'd be okay with that.
02:35:16.240
That's not necessarily what happens on a night out, and I would like to say something.
02:35:20.200
So, you're saying that, okay, so these girls are approaching him, and they might be more
02:35:29.860
So, this situation is happening, like, all together.
02:35:35.460
I don't know if you noticed, but he described what woman...
02:35:41.660
He described what women go through all the time.
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Like, guys with blue check marks and stuff like that.
02:35:56.600
I've been in the position that you're talking about.
02:36:01.100
I think what she means is that guys with fame, they get approached a lot.
02:36:05.800
Unless you're super famous, guys are not going to have...
02:36:10.780
Average women get this experience that I just described.
02:36:23.300
Like, you're explaining, like, what guys, like, do on an average night when they go out.
02:36:43.380
Eric, can you maximize the OBS so they can't read the comments while I'm explaining this
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Okay, so this is a dream world hypothetical scenario.
02:36:57.440
Unless you're, like, super famous, girls really don't be hitting up guys like this.
02:37:06.180
Would you be okay with your long-term monogamous partner going to a nightclub, bar, or party
02:37:11.880
type environment where throughout the course of the night, he's going to get approached,
02:37:17.020
flirted with, and sexually pursued by numerous attractive women, some of which are more attractive
02:37:22.300
than you and could potentially be a better partner than you.
02:37:24.740
These women are buying him drinks, getting him drunk, and enthusiastically want to sleep
02:37:30.360
with him that night and steal him away from you.
02:37:33.960
Oh, also, his single man-ho friends are rallying, being a bad influence, telling him he should
02:37:44.380
You're going to tell me you'd be okay with that.
02:37:54.760
I've seen that happen so many times to my friends.
02:37:58.680
Like, I've seen that happen while I'm there, because, like, I like to hang out with, like,
02:38:04.320
If anything, like, I sometimes prefer to hang out with my guy friends than my girlfriends.
02:38:11.300
Um, but, yeah, I've seen my guy friends who have had girlfriends, like, it's happened
02:38:19.760
Like, they're very attractive, and they're being approached by, like, you know, multiple
02:38:23.820
women or just one woman, and, like, I know, like, their relationship, you know?
02:38:29.900
I know that this person's in a relationship, and I've seen, like, the other guys just be
02:38:37.920
Like, she's not going to find out, or, like, fuck her, like, whatever.
02:38:41.300
Um, you know, and sometimes they give in, and sometimes they don't, you know, which
02:38:45.880
is really awesome when they don't give in, but when they do, it's just, like, it's a
02:38:51.640
And I can't, I'm putting myself, like, in that position, like, of the girl, like, I would
02:38:57.240
So, you can see how this can be a little contradictory, because none of you would be okay with it,
02:39:00.960
But then you say guys should be okay with girls going out all the time, but that's exactly
02:39:09.520
Yeah, like, why are you guys asking us this question unless you think, like, every guy
02:39:15.260
So, I was asking, like, why would you ask the question unless you think, like, every
02:39:22.520
Like, the reason, the reason, the reason why he asked this question, she was asking why
02:39:27.960
are we asked that, why are you asking that question?
02:39:29.580
And the reason, the reason why he asked that question is because we were receiving criticism
02:39:35.580
for saying, like, it's a deal breaker if a girl's regularly going to clubs without us.
02:39:40.800
That situation that he just described that you guys wouldn't be okay with happening to
02:39:45.080
your boyfriend, that happens to women all the time.
02:39:50.240
That's why we're saying we're not okay with our long-term partners putting themselves
02:39:55.060
Yeah, and that's why I'm asking why you asked the question.
02:39:57.180
Is, like, that what people, like, go through, like, at the club?
02:40:02.060
You're saying, you're saying you weren't, you're saying you're not okay with him, that
02:40:06.040
situation as he just described, but you, you guys were criticizing us, like, looking
02:40:09.780
at us like we were weirdos for not wanting our girlfriends to go clubbing.
02:40:18.960
Do you think if you had, like, a girlfriend, like, she would actually do that to you guys?
02:40:22.460
Okay, no, no, but look, like, we could be saying to you guys, why aren't you okay with
02:40:27.660
Allison, do you want to have, do you have a take on this real quick?
02:40:31.520
We were saying a good girlfriend wouldn't want to do that, and you were like, you were
02:40:35.780
like, why does that make her a bad girlfriend, basically?
02:40:39.820
Like, why can't she go clubbing and still be a good girlfriend?
02:40:44.680
So that guy in that, in that story, what we could be saying to you, like, why is that
02:40:54.580
You guys are just describing what girls go for.
02:41:00.260
But he did that after you guys were looking at us skeptically and critically for saying
02:41:03.960
we wouldn't be okay with long-term girlfriends doing that.
02:41:06.300
I would be okay with him doing that as long as he's not cheating.
02:41:10.080
There's no way to know that, but if I trust my partner.
02:41:12.480
You're okay with him going into situations like that regularly where chicks are trying
02:41:16.320
to get him drunk and have sex with him, his boys are cheering him on, you're totally cool
02:41:30.880
I'm not going to be with the type of guy that would do, like, that thing to me.
02:41:40.720
Like, I would never date a guy that would actually do that to me.
02:41:44.560
And that's why we're saying we wouldn't date women that would put themselves in situations
02:41:48.380
And you guys looked at us like we were fucking controlling freaks.
02:41:53.700
I feel like we shouldn't have needed to explain that, though.
02:41:56.560
I feel like that didn't even need to be explained.
02:42:00.060
Do you think that point of view is your point of view is the same, though?
02:42:05.600
Where, like, these people talk about, like, talk about me behind my back while they're
02:42:14.260
I know, but I'm saying, like, I wouldn't be in a relationship with a guy that would...
02:42:23.040
Like, if you're going out with your single friends and you're in a relationship...
02:43:25.880
If body count doesn't matter, what's your body count?
02:43:48.160
Yeah, then you shouldn't ask the question if you're not going to answer it.
02:43:54.120
But first, let's have you guys answer this question.
02:44:04.560
Like, at the same time, like, this is being, like, you know, aired live, you know, and
02:44:30.640
Really appreciate you for saying it, for being honest.
02:44:36.680
I could answer, but I don't think it's, like, anyone, anyone's business by myself.
02:44:53.980
I also won't tell you, because I don't think that it's anyone's business other than my own.
02:45:00.640
It doesn't matter, but I'd rather keep it to myself if you're just going to look at me
02:45:10.760
You said it matters, so you will look at us differently.
02:45:24.020
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
02:45:26.040
Okay, so your question was, why does body count matter?
02:45:33.920
Why don't I let Chase and Tristan, do you guys want to share your body count?
02:45:54.820
No, but if I do it first, it's such an easy cop-out for them.
02:45:59.720
If you don't answer this question, you have to wear this for the rest of the stream.
02:46:40.740
You are very attractive, but I think you're very pure.
02:46:44.820
I feel like you didn't used to be pure, though.
02:46:51.140
My boys know I was quite the troublemaker back then.
02:47:05.100
Because like, honestly, I was thinking like, okay, you've explained in your past videos,
02:47:12.080
which I've seen, that you weren't like the most faithful person in the beginning or whatever.
02:47:24.860
But like you've like, you had your share of like women, whatever.
02:47:32.480
This is why I don't like talking about like body cats because it's like.
02:47:38.380
I'm not going to fucking like define you just by how you look.
02:48:30.440
Yes, it is true that you guys said that like 10 minutes ago.
02:49:51.140
They said if we guessed the right one, they would tell us.
02:49:54.680
Do you have a guess, Brian, on their body counts?
02:50:14.500
Hey, can the next question be, when did everyone lose their virginities?
02:50:57.920
Wait, I thought you just said you were lower than 10.
02:51:03.320
This is the only time I will keep my mouth shut.
02:51:11.940
Can I get all my base retards in the chat to check in?
02:51:31.460
How old were you guys when you lost your virginity?
02:52:32.860
The girl I lost my virginity to, she was a whore.
02:52:38.260
She was like, and I didn't realize this until after the fact.
02:52:48.560
The first time I ever had sex, the girl that I had sex with literally asked me to punch her
02:52:54.740
in the face while we were in the face while we were having sex.
02:53:00.420
She was like, she was like, she was like, can I ask you to do something?
02:53:13.020
Like I was like trying to enjoy the experience.
02:53:20.600
So when that happened, did you think like, oh shit, like after that happened, does every
02:53:29.120
Like, I mean, I, you know, I, I hooked up with my fair share of girls before that.
02:53:33.520
But like, after that, I was like, dude, are dudes like supposed to hit you during sex?
02:53:41.500
It was, it was pretty, uh, it was pretty weird, dude.
02:53:57.900
By the way, in addition to the pickle hobble, which none of you have put on, by the way,
02:54:02.280
I think you'd look stunning in it, but I just want to say.
02:54:17.200
One of you has to put on the plague doctor mask.
02:54:30.140
How old were you guys, how old were you guys when you had your first kiss?
02:54:41.480
Well, there's this like really like cute moment in kindergarten, but that's not like
02:55:10.080
I thought you were talking about the celebrity Jonah Hill.
02:55:22.400
You never said how old you were when you lost yours.
02:55:34.640
By the way, for any friends listening to this, this was after I got to college.
02:56:02.680
We'll teach you to say, well, we'll teach you, say to us, Papi Dami Cariño.
02:56:17.940
I rather watch paint dry than go to the club or bar.
02:56:21.940
Solidarity on hating dog shit nightclubs and bars.
02:56:27.660
I've plowed through hundreds of females as an average looking guy.
02:56:30.560
If you're a man and your money and your game is right, you're good.
02:56:33.840
For women, if you're not attractive, you're fucked.
02:56:45.700
Like, well, he's saying if you're not attractive, but there's some thirsty simp dudes out there
02:56:52.040
that, like, even super average, like, unattractive chicks can probably get laid easier than, like,
02:57:07.160
Like, if a guy's unattractive, then he's not getting anything.
02:57:20.200
Once I got a match on Inner Circle app when we started to chat in WP, the girl was looking
02:57:25.860
for a sugar daddy, but I'm just a sugar fack boy.
02:57:49.280
I think this is your first time coming through, so appreciate it.
02:57:51.300
I were to a nightclub once, and an old man was there with a wife.
02:57:59.700
Then one of the girls came and make out with his wife.
02:58:03.240
Then he'd look at me and my friends, and we cheered up like a champ.
02:58:14.480
I think he's running that through a Spanish to English translator, maybe.
02:58:18.800
But Vile, thank you very much for the support, man.
02:58:53.700
I'm seeing the cover photo, and man, ask Sidney to do a fit check.
02:59:08.860
Can we, like, move, like, can we do, like, the whole pan of, like, the room?
02:59:14.360
Like, do I have to, like, does it have to be zoomed in on me?
02:59:48.620
Hypothetically, describe the best scenario meeting someone for the first time that is
02:59:51.820
potentially a serious, monogamous, serious relationship.
02:59:59.420
Really quick, guys, if we'll go around the table on this.
03:00:04.200
Here, I'll pull it back up if you want to reference it.
03:00:27.220
Because, okay, I do go out a lot, so that's why I was vouching for that.
03:00:30.580
But my favorite thing is when there's a guy there that doesn't usually go out to the club,
03:00:36.580
and they come up to me, and they say, oh, I'm not even supposed to be out here right now.
03:00:52.140
And they show me that they don't actually do all that stuff.
03:02:01.840
We've been asking a lot of the ladies questions.
03:02:03.720
Guys, when you see a woman wearing a choker, are y'all thinking she got a black belt and
03:02:16.380
Like, it's just like my mind is just like, yeah, that's what's going on here.
03:02:19.620
Yeah, it shows definitely a little bit of a freak.
03:02:21.860
I don't know if it's the dick sucking, but they're definitely a freak.
03:02:29.560
My initial thought is she likes to be choked if she's wearing a choker.
03:02:37.200
And, yeah, she's got a black belt and things on it.
03:02:38.720
Dude, that chick that I lost my virginity to, she also asked me to choke her that first
03:02:48.380
We should talk about the, well, not specifically your situation, but running.
03:02:55.040
There's a meta going on, and I'm not sure who started it.
03:03:00.300
Everyone, I just, all y'all chicks want to be choked.
03:03:13.240
Yeah, it feels good with your, especially if you like to be dominated, like, it feels good.
03:03:18.140
I mean, there's like a science, it's scientifically proven.
03:03:20.180
It cuts off the airflow, so it makes you feel better.
03:03:26.500
If you actually choke someone, that's not good.
03:03:31.280
You're not like doing it to cut off the airflow.
03:03:39.820
You ever heard of people dying from autoerotic asphyxiation?
03:03:47.160
Like, they've found like, hella like, rich old dudes and stuff, like, dead in their homes.
03:03:53.540
Like, with like, with like a stool, like, knocked out from under them and they were jerking off while
03:04:02.100
Not like with a partner, like, finding ways to choke themselves.
03:04:18.940
Can you guys in the chat, what's that guy's name?
03:04:25.960
Guys, in the chat, what's the Kill Bill actor's name?
03:04:51.980
What do you, now when it comes to sex, do you prefer gentle sex or rough sex?
03:05:07.700
I feel like all women like rough sex from the right dude.
03:05:16.600
Starting off like really like slow and passionate and then kind of like working your way up.
03:05:22.300
Because like as it like, as you like build up, like when it gets more like aggressive
03:05:26.040
and like fast, like I don't know, that's like, that's when you like, that's when
03:05:31.500
Brian, you got your answer in the chat too, by the way.
03:05:39.000
I think that there's a time to be passionate about it and like slow and then there's a
03:05:44.400
And I think you guys can like switch it up or like, I don't know, I think it's both.
03:05:53.940
Like there's times for like slow, passionate sex where you're making love and there's
03:06:06.680
Has there been a moment where a guy was way too like rough and you're just like, yo,
03:06:13.780
And then you're not like, do you draw the line at being hit in the face?
03:06:56.540
Would it be a deal breaker for you if a guy only wanted to have gentle sex?
03:07:08.760
Because if it's monogamous, no, we have to do more stuff.
03:07:46.760
All right, what would you guys do if the guy only wanted to be on the
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You can have gentle sex and it's not vanilla sex.
03:08:33.480
Nobody's saying gentle sex is vanilla, but if it's only ever gentle sex.
03:08:59.120
I think there has to be like a balance of like, you know, can't just be gentle.
03:09:09.040
The whole like, if it's the girl doing it or if I'm doing it, I don't like jackhammering.
03:09:15.440
That shit just like, it doesn't feel good if the girl's doing it.
03:09:35.820
You know one of the funniest things that I've ever learned?
03:09:40.380
Do you guys know what the fastest selling fiction book in history was?
03:10:15.780
Do you guys have friends that are into BDSM and stuff?
03:10:21.540
Like, I'm always, I'm always, like, wondering, like, when I see people on the street, like,
03:11:00.300
Do we need to bring, should we bring it back to body count?
03:11:02.640
Y'all didn't really push back too much on that.
03:11:04.420
I don't really think that's, like, a good topic.
03:11:14.180
Let's talk about, should we do age gap, you think?
03:11:19.060
So, I would like to do this when, uh, who's that?
03:11:36.200
Yeah, we're going to wrap up in just, uh, 10, 15 minutes.
03:11:58.180
No, it means, like, uh, like, I don't know, like, how would you describe smug?
03:12:10.760
She's definitely feisty, and she does what she wants.
03:12:51.240
Let's watch a Tate video, and then we'll wrap it up.
03:12:59.360
What do you guys think we should ask the ladies while we still have them here?
03:13:03.660
If you guys have any interesting questions, let us know in the comments or in the chat.
03:13:08.740
Because somebody said don't talk about age gap.
03:13:10.860
Talk about minimum preferences and ideal preferences.
03:13:17.500
I have a list of just some preferences that I think men have and that women have, and
03:13:23.900
I'm also curious, as you're pulling that up, do you guys have any questions for us?
03:13:32.500
Do you guys have any questions for, like, men about dating, women?
03:13:36.200
I know we're kind of putting you on the spot, but.
03:13:38.140
I could think of it in the moment, but not for now.
03:13:40.760
I think that I want to ask you guys a question.
03:13:53.360
I said I think I want to ask you guys a question.
03:14:06.300
So, do guys just, like, honestly think with their dicks?
03:14:19.620
Are you guys just, like, horny as fuck all the time?
03:14:22.240
And you guys are just thinking about what's, like, next to hit?
03:14:36.300
When I see an attractive girl, there is just this, like, irresistible force where my body's
03:14:56.240
And, like, I've learned to control it very well.
03:15:15.960
Like, most guys do really just think with their dicks when they're younger.
03:15:41.760
No, I just sit there and watch it like a psycho.
03:16:02.460
Earlier in the night when he made the fat camp joke.
03:16:33.300
Okay, you say you guys have other thoughts like as a joke.
03:16:37.260
We don't think like that when we go out to the club.
03:16:48.100
See how we have a completely different ideal of, like.
03:16:57.860
So, that's why you would guess that we're going to also do the same thing.
03:17:01.340
It's the environment you put yourself in, though.
03:18:14.100
You guys don't think in the same way like we think with our dicks.
03:18:30.540
When it comes to talking about like relationships.
03:19:11.120
How dare Chase expose that we think with our dicks.
03:19:28.060
Oh one day you'll see your girl sitting across from you and you're going to be like
03:19:37.440
I want to ask a question about post-nut clarity.
03:19:45.180
Because my ex, that was a big reason why he dated me so quickly because he didn't get
03:19:58.740
What I think it is is you have this like pent up like you're like putting a show on for
03:20:03.700
a girl being like oh I want you like da da da like you're so beautiful like oh my god you
03:20:07.920
have sex with her you finish you go to the bathroom.
03:20:09.620
You come back you're on your phone like okay you can go now.
03:20:16.860
I would never post-nut clarity like if some guy is down bad.
03:20:21.100
This is probably how like most guys first figure out that like damn this I need to control
03:20:26.300
Because if they think too much about it and then like after the you know they nut they're
03:20:32.880
There's a lot of guys that literally will be attracted to that girl in the moment and
03:20:37.120
then they'll have sex with her and be like oh actually never mind.
03:20:41.900
I mean I think those guys are also probably just trying to get a nut in and then they're
03:20:46.440
I think a follow-up question is like is that something that we should take personally when
03:20:59.880
The girl I was talking about that I lost my virginity with I had serious post-nut clarity.
03:21:30.260
I had no interesting personal connection with her.
03:21:37.200
I realize it's just you getting to know who the hell she really was.
03:21:41.980
And post-nut clarity is like the guy just has an objective to like do one thing and then he's just like all right I'm done.
03:21:47.240
Could I like try to explain like what I think post-nut clarity is?
03:21:54.120
I will say for me I do not get this quote unquote post-nut clarity with girls that I really like.
03:22:00.300
Girls that I really like like I want to be with them after the fact.
03:22:10.440
Do you tell them and give them a show and be like oh my god I like you so much.
03:22:18.500
I mean I don't I don't like date girls unless I'm like really interested in them you know.
03:22:24.180
Like and I'm not going to like lie to a girl and lead her on with a bunch of bullshit you know.
03:22:27.800
I think that's like really low and manipulative.
03:22:36.440
I mean I was just going to try to explain like what I think post-nut clarity is.
03:22:52.080
I think it's like you go into like having sex with such a high hope and you like see
03:22:59.920
But then like you like nut or whatever and you're just like oh she's not as hot as I thought
03:23:34.420
So you had a brother and everyone called your brother?
03:23:50.100
I think the only reason he brought that situation up is because both of you look exactly the same.
03:23:59.660
There's something so much deeper to it and it doesn't matter honestly.
03:24:04.900
Pantsu Jitsu said post nut clarity means you don't want to wife her up.
03:24:12.740
And if a guy gets that with you that you're dating he's not the one.
03:24:30.200
Oh I thought you were saying that to what I said.
03:24:31.940
I thought it was funny but I feel bad for hurting.
03:25:08.660
Oh you said you're meeting up with Andrew Tate.
03:25:19.960
A lot of these dudes talk about fertility and looks and stuff.
03:25:28.400
In the modern world if I meet a girl who's 33 and single I know the amount of dick that's
03:25:34.220
been through her before me is just simply unattractive.
03:25:37.160
I don't care how nice you are but you're 33 years old.
03:25:41.320
If I get a 19 year old girl I might be her second or third man right?
03:25:46.140
And all the trauma and heartbreak and bullshit they put you through you're going to try and
03:25:51.280
Like well if my last man cheated I don't give a fuck.
03:25:55.820
So if you pick up older women you have to accept they've been on the carousel longer.
03:26:03.740
And when I see a beautiful young woman I know that she has a very low body count.
03:26:07.180
And that and also no but no but the truth is this.
03:26:09.940
Women's mentality is absolutely connected to sex.
03:26:13.080
If a woman sleeps with a bunch of men it's harder to penetrate her mind and make her fall
03:26:18.860
But if she's had 30 dudes inside of her she really going to think you know what this guy
03:26:23.060
is so so so special or is she going to think you know what he talked to me real
03:26:26.260
Whereas if a woman's only been with a few guys she's much more likely to fall in love
03:26:29.840
The likelihood of her falling completely in love with you to stay with you and really
03:26:33.900
believe me he's the only man for her after being through so much trauma and so many men
03:26:37.500
and sleeping with so many dudes and having her heart broken and having those memories
03:26:40.620
of her ex and all that crap she's been through is far less likely than meeting a nice young
03:26:44.780
beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men and she goes you know what this is the guy
03:26:48.620
Every woman who knows this every man watches to be honest women fall in love with the person
03:26:51.740
they lose their virginity to or the second or third guy they really remember them
03:26:54.320
and they really love them that any woman who slept with 50 dudes she doesn't even remember
03:26:58.240
If a woman slept with a bunch of men before you she's less likely to stick it out through
03:27:00.980
a difficult period in a relationship she's more likely to just say you know what new answers
03:27:06.920
If I meet a beautiful 30 year old woman I'm not saying I won't speak to them.
03:27:14.980
That's dedicated to the girl who flaked because I like Andrew Tate.
03:27:31.200
I think that he has never like had a fucking woman like in his life.
03:27:47.620
I don't want to be like so like strategic with like.
03:27:55.840
I think he's never had a strong woman in his life.
03:28:00.860
But he like ran away because he was too scared to like actually like listen to her.
03:28:06.780
Because he's so about himself that he can't even open up his eyes and take a look at
03:28:31.660
And I think that like when he says like he wants like a young pure woman.
03:28:39.080
Like how are you not like understanding like the fact that people have been through like
03:28:43.000
experiences and like when like a young woman who is pure that just makes you sound like
03:28:51.980
Like it makes you sound like you're a pedophile and.
03:29:20.660
Well, we have a lot of stuff like we've been fucked over with guys.
03:29:23.500
We hold that baggage and we hold those like that.
03:29:37.760
Men who are attracted to young women are not P words.
03:29:41.900
You realize this was the standard throughout almost all of human history.
03:29:55.400
The guys that like I live with, like they're like, I don't like live with them, but we all
03:30:01.800
And like a couple of them, like they like preach Andrew Tate.
03:30:07.400
And so they were like, he says a lot of really wise things.
03:30:20.520
Like he's, he's extremely intelligent and extremely wise.
03:30:27.560
So I think like, so I actually recently just found out about Andrew Tate like last month,
03:30:35.180
And I watched a couple of videos and there were some videos that I was like fully on the same
03:30:41.620
And I wish I was shocked that I was on the same page because I heard like all this shit
03:30:45.820
like, oh my God, he's like an asshole, you know, like whatever, like he's misogynistic
03:30:51.540
And I like, when it came to the videos about him talking about like, okay, like if I'm
03:30:57.220
going to take you out to dinner, if I'm going to buy all this shit for you, if I'm going
03:31:00.940
to take care of you, you know, if I'm going to pick your ass up, like if you're in a shitty
03:31:04.340
situation and you don't do shit around the house, if you're not going to clean, if you're
03:31:08.120
not going to like help like cook, like anything like that, like fuck you.
03:31:13.900
I think his thing is two coffees, but go ahead.
03:31:25.720
I don't think he can speak on behalf of all women per se because nobody can.
03:31:31.840
I think there are also some points that, you know, like I do take offense to because like
03:31:36.460
sometimes I can like put myself, like I do have baggage for sure, you know?
03:31:40.620
So like sometimes I feel like I'm being called out, but like I also have to like accept
03:31:46.100
that, you know, like if I have like baggage, like I got to deal with that shit before I
03:31:56.500
You are one of the most based women I've spoken to in a while.
03:31:59.380
Guys, if you guys in the chat think Sydney's based, type base Sydney in all caps.
03:32:09.180
You like know the truth and you like see through the bullshit of the world.
03:32:16.440
You say how it is and you recognize the truth that's hidden behind the layers of bullshit
03:32:25.720
Like if someone says you have a base to take, it means you see through like all of the layers
03:32:48.680
I think it's just very like double standard because he's saying like we're not allowed
03:32:53.000
to have a previous life before him and we're not allowed to have like all this stuff.
03:32:57.380
But I know for a fact he's not perfect and he reacts in certain ways due to trauma and
03:33:01.900
stuff like that and that's baggage but he, in his eyes he's allowed to have all that
03:33:12.800
Is it fair to say that men and women value different things in the partner?
03:33:18.900
Yes, but I also saw a comment that said guys hide their baggage while girls let guys see
03:33:27.720
I feel like guys sometimes never show their baggage.
03:33:30.240
Like even in a long relationship, like they won't even show it and they seem like they
03:33:34.800
don't, because they want to be like the strong man, like they don't want to seem like they
03:33:38.040
have any like trauma or anything and so that's also a thing but girls will just show it because
03:33:41.900
they want their like man to be there for them and like understand it but I feel like he's
03:33:46.180
just saying like I am perfect so my girl has to be perfect too, but he's not perfect.
03:33:50.240
I don't know if that's exactly what he's saying but I mean his main thing is about body count
03:33:55.780
and I'm sure Andrew Tate's got a triple digit body count most likely.
03:34:01.160
How many, how many women do you think Andrew Tate slept with?
03:34:06.980
So why is it a problem for the girls but it's not a problem for him?
03:34:09.900
Well they're, it's different, body count, how, how, do you want a key, a key that can
03:34:18.260
unlock every lock is a master key, hold on, hold on, a key that can unlock every lock is
03:34:27.100
a master key but a lock that can be unlocked by every key is a shitty lock, okay?
03:34:34.740
Basically, yeah, it's an analogy, I don't know if you've heard of those.
03:34:39.240
The point, the point, the point, the reason, the reason, the reason, I know, the reason
03:34:43.560
why, do you understand why that analogy exists though?
03:34:47.560
And why, I know it's a double standard but do you know why the double standard exists?
03:34:52.200
Why, why male body count and female body count is so different?
03:34:56.040
Okay, so we've made this point several times on the past few podcasts so basically it's
03:35:04.060
If you opened up your Tinder app tonight, you could get laid by the end of the night.
03:35:11.420
All four of you girls, all four of you girls right now, I bet there's probably 10,000 dudes
03:35:16.240
in Santa Barbara that would sleep with you guys tonight.
03:35:19.880
I understand you don't give a fuck but I'm making a point here, okay?
03:35:22.660
The point is that for girls, having sex is a very easy thing, okay?
03:35:27.920
For guys, it's a much more challenging thing, way more challenging.
03:35:33.640
We have more options so if our number is big and your number is big but you have no options,
03:35:39.940
that means you're even going more out of your way to sleep with more people.
03:35:45.860
This is something that I heard that kind of stuck with me.
03:35:50.780
A girl didn't tell me this, a guy told me this.
03:35:53.240
So before everyone comes at me, guys get what they can, girls get what they want.
03:35:58.940
That's what I heard and I don't know if you guys agree with that.
03:36:03.440
Yeah, women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can.
03:36:09.200
Well, if women slept with who they could, their body counts would be insane.
03:36:14.680
If women were just sleeping with who they could, it would be insane.
03:36:23.700
As guys, we value that even though you could if you wanted to, you don't.
03:36:40.020
Why would my body count be way higher if I was a girl?
03:36:42.220
You guys just preach like guys get what they can, girls get what they want, whatever.
03:36:49.640
We're saying as guys, we value what we value when a woman's body counts is lower because
03:36:55.220
But when they choose not to, that's awesome because that means she hasn't shared her body
03:37:01.720
But then you're like complete opposite and you're getting a girl that's so like, oh
03:37:05.960
And then you're getting a guy that literally couldn't get anything but went out there and
03:37:17.080
So it's like she's basically saying that like girls like they have to be like very like
03:37:29.000
Like turn people down all the time and they have to be kind of like this pure person.
03:37:32.860
But like for guys, it's like they're trying so hard to get a body count.
03:37:36.280
Like and it's like they're coming from the kind of like mental state where they're like
03:37:41.740
trying to get things and the girl is restricting herself from things.
03:37:45.520
So it's like which one is more like rep like which one's more.
03:38:06.060
I'm not saying I agree with the idea that like it's okay for a guy to have a high body
03:38:11.220
The reason doesn't make sense to us is what we're saying.
03:38:22.440
You're saying it doesn't make sense and I'm saying it does make sense.
03:38:26.920
Because by your opinion you're saying if we were just standing there, you and me, there
03:38:32.020
would be 20 guys coming up to me and I say no and there would be like no one coming up
03:38:41.300
In general, like you're talking about us, men are going and looking for sex.
03:38:46.760
So it's like they have a higher body count, but they have to search for that.
03:38:49.980
We just have a normal count and we're not searching for it.
03:38:58.620
We're talking about high body counts and the double standard between a high body count
03:39:10.260
I'll give you a couple of reasons why body count matters and why men value it.
03:39:21.100
Always this topic is always something we get lost.
03:39:35.920
If a woman, if a woman wanted a guy that did not sleep with a lot of men, that's totally
03:39:44.520
So the reason, one of the reasons, big reason, people, men like low body count is.
03:40:01.660
I'm not, I was never saying that I think a high body count for a guy is good or okay.
03:40:06.600
This is like, I don't think dudes should just be running through chicks.
03:40:10.000
And like when I was younger, like I had a buddy, he, he had slept with like a hundred
03:40:17.780
And I like, part of me thought he was cool, but also part of me was like, that's pretty
03:40:21.860
Because I mean, do you understand why a guy might think that though?
03:40:24.760
It's, it takes, you have to be like a stud to have a high body count as a guy.
03:40:32.080
You literally, I said this last podcast as a woman, if you want a high body count, all
03:40:44.940
Do you, have you ever, has a guy ever made you wait for sex?
03:41:00.320
Sometimes I feel like we're speaking different languages.
03:41:02.460
Because, I don't know, it could be waiting in one way and waiting in another.
03:41:11.520
I'll just rapid fire just say the reasons why body count matters really quick.
03:41:37.760
Who's had more sexual partners is more likely to have an STD.
03:41:43.180
That's a perfectly reasonable reason why both a man or a woman would want a partner with a low body count.
03:41:49.420
Also, if you have a higher body count, you're more likely to.
03:41:51.820
To, it's harder for you to pair bond with someone.
03:41:56.020
After your hundredth partner, are you going to fall as madly into love with this person?
03:42:02.500
This is number hundred, number hundred one versus your first or second or third person.
03:42:11.980
I do think it has a slightly bigger impact on women.
03:42:18.100
I got a message from somebody who watched our last episode that we did, Brian.
03:42:21.940
He's a born-again Christian now, but prior to becoming a Christian, he had slept with over 150 women.
03:42:30.800
He told me that it's like so hard for him to like build an intimate connection with women through sex now.
03:42:43.400
If you have a bunch of casual sex, you start removing the intimacy from sex.
03:42:58.180
So, you're going after your short-term pleasure-seeking when you're just seeking casual sex.
03:43:42.940
I was going to say, I don't know when you plan on closing out, but before we do.
03:43:47.240
I do want to hear from you guys just impressions on the conversation if you have anything to say to us.
03:44:05.700
I just need, like, impressions on the conversation.
03:44:10.860
No, I think, like, sometimes you guys ask shallow questions, and, like, when someone's
03:44:16.460
trying to broaden it and deepen it, you, like, dismiss them and say they're stupid, but, like,
03:44:22.580
No, because, like, when Liana or, like, I have spoken and said, like, something much more
03:44:28.520
deeper than the question you've asked, like, the fucking comments and you guys, like, always
03:44:35.240
Still, still, still, still, but, like, you guys dismiss us and, like, don't have to, like,
03:44:41.060
you guys don't listen to what we fully have to say.
03:44:43.640
I feel like I, I feel like I've, we've been listening and, like.
03:44:47.940
But, like, I think, like, sometimes we say things and you guys don't try to listen.
03:44:52.080
No, it's not that you disagree, like, agree to disagree.
03:44:57.020
We all, like, have things to say and, like, yeah, half of the time that we're saying things,
03:45:02.980
like, we're dismissed as, like, oh, they're stupid, but it's, like, oh, maybe you don't
03:45:07.420
No, I think we've, I think we've followed a bit of that explanation.
03:45:08.760
You would have heard what we had to say, you know, fully and truthfully.
03:45:19.240
Yeah, maybe you, Brian, because you're always trying to, like, find the next point, you
03:45:23.380
know, instead of listening, like, longer and deeper, you know?
03:45:26.800
Maybe, like, have someone speak longer and truthfully.
03:45:29.700
Brian does do that sometimes, but he's also trying to host a podcast.
03:45:46.000
Sometimes, yes, I move things along or I'm not fully.
03:45:49.240
I'm fully engaged because I am, you know, I'm focusing on certain things with the stream
03:45:54.640
and I'm, but as the host, I have a higher conversational burden, so I do need to be a
03:46:10.680
No, she's saying we were implying they're stupid.
03:46:13.540
And, like, you didn't, like, give us enough time to really, like, clarify what we were
03:46:17.840
saying before you, like, just laughed about it and said it, like.
03:46:23.520
Well, if you're going to direct some heat at us, allow me to go ahead.
03:46:37.520
There have been times where we've explained things to you guys and you've been like,
03:46:44.820
And then, like, we would explain it a different way later and you guys were like, yeah, I guess
03:46:49.640
But that's what it is being optimistic and, like, listening to other people's points.
03:46:54.900
I feel like you should do it more so, like, on our points as well instead of just speaking
03:47:11.340
I mean, because you're asking all the questions.
03:47:21.440
Well, Chase, you wanted them to, their thoughts on the stream?
03:47:28.180
Did you want to go through the panel or you just wanted one girl to?
03:47:31.920
No, I just, yeah, I wanted to hear what your guys' thoughts were on the conversation, you
03:47:38.500
First off, Sydney, I think it was extremely brave that you shared what you shared with
03:47:44.820
us, both about your body count and also your first experience.
03:47:47.600
And I could tell that was uncomfortable for you sharing that.
03:48:19.220
I feel like the whole panel, I feel like you guys are great.
03:48:22.780
I think you're going to make a super fun wife someday and, like, a super based wife.
03:48:27.720
I wish the dudes that marry you guys good luck because.
03:48:32.220
Just because, like, you guys are very strong, independent woman and, like, I feel like you're
03:48:40.360
I feel like you're, you know, you know what I mean?
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Because right now we're engaged in the conversation and we're debating.
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And I think to their, they're engaging in the debate, you know.
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So to say that how they are, you know, the way in which they're debating is going to be
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a reflection on how they are one-on-one with a guy.
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My mother and my grandmother had the exact same mentalities as you guys in their marriages.
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And I understand why you guys, like, like, look at independence and, like, all the stuff
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that you guys have explained the way that you do.
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But, like, it's just, like, there's, there's, there's dangers that can come with it as well
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Not, not, not, not a super original roast, but it was funny.
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I do want to, if I can just come to their defense.
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Like, I'm, when I'm with a girl one-on-one, like, I'm not talking about this shit with
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If I'm with a girl, I just want to have, like, oh God.
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I don't like to talk dating meta shit with chicks.
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I just want to have, like, but, but when we are put in an environment like this where
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we are talking about the dating meta, where we're talking about.
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That was an ad hominem attack on Chase, though.
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Like, I already know I'm going to have a very great relationship in, like, my end
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They will put up with me and they will, you know, respect.
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I mean, like, sure, you want a holy girl that's going to, like, fuck you, like, what, once
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or twice a week and you're going to be happy about that?
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Like, sorry, but I'm going to have some more spice than you will ever get in your life.
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It's just, it's the fact that you even had to say he will put up with me.
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So your wife's going to have no attitude at all.
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I'm not saying, I'm not saying that she's going to, she's going to have attitude, but
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like, I don't think she's going to have to put up with me.
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Like, I don't think I'm going to be the kind of husband that somebody's going to have to
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I think what she meant though is like, she's not going to let him just get his way.
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And she's going to like, also, you know, she's going to.
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And they're going to challenge each other, like, and they're going to get through it.
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I think how he worded it at first was a little, you know, at first, you guys, maybe
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But I think what he really meant is like, you guys are, what he was saying was strong
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But he basically like, literally said to us that, like, he was like, good luck with
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I think, I think you guys will be very challenging to your husbands.
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I think that we should move on from this topic because I think that everything that
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you're going to say is going to go in the wrong way.
03:52:35.100
Yeah, so let's just change the subject, honestly.
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Would you guys like to see an Andrew Tate video that put the cherry on top of that moment?
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We'll do the super chats and then we'll wrap up, guys.
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I heard, uh, take her around the back and prove her wrong.
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Mike Davis with the $10, Mike Davis with the $10 super check, get Brandon on here and have
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I may have to join the trend for a bathroom break after that.
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Uh, Mike Davis, thank you so much for the, uh, continued support week after week, man.
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Highest divorce rates are among lesbian marriages.
03:53:34.320
Yeah, there, I've seen some stats about, about that.
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Well, there's also, I feel like there's less lesbian marriages than normal.
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I've always wondered if twins share the same period cycle.
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Um, and Sharky, girls are attracted to guys for security and protection.
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Guys are attracted to girls for purity and beauty.
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Um, any last final thoughts before I wrap up the show?
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Guys, I'm, I'm exercising self-control right now.
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Um, I want to thank you all for tuning in tonight.
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So, uh, guys, we will, I, I also just want to say, I also just want to say thank you.
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And, and I'll also thank you as well for your court.
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I know we disagreed on things, but you were cordial and it was fun.
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We will be live again with the next dating talk show, uh, next Tuesday, Tuesday, 7 p.m.
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I want to thank the panel for joining us today.
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Thank you guys for watching and, uh, we will see you next time.