Dating Talk #16
Episode Stats
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3 hours and 29 minutes
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177.58751
Hate Speech Sentences
223
Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, Brian and Kiki talk about their experiences with dating apps, relationships, and dating in general. They also have a special guest on the show to talk about her experience with a dating app.
Transcript
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, coming to you live from Isla Vista, Santa Barbara County, California, every Tuesday and Thursday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
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A few quick announcements before the show begins.
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Eric, if you want to pull that up real quick, hit that join button.
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Yeah, we've got channel memberships, Patreon, merch.
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We are also streaming to Twitch right now, twitch.tv slash whatever.
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If you want to be on the show or help with the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.
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We're looking for a talent recruiter, talent coordinator.
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And we just need some extra hands for the show.
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So, if you want to go ahead and bring it back, Eric.
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We are going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So, please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
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I'm a photographer, a singer, and a social media marketing manager type of thing.
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Really quick, just of those of you who are in school, what school do you go to?
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My longest relationship was about one to two years, depending on how I would define a relationship.
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But then we were friends and hung out for a whole year after then.
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Yeah, I've definitely had my fair share of Tinder.
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But really, I realize it's just there's other ways that I personally would like to find people rather than a dating app like Tinder.
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He wasn't, like, too old or creepy or anything.
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And, like, they stayed the whole time to make sure he wasn't a murderer or anything, you know?
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And they were, like, watching us to make sure it was real.
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But I've texted a few guys on there after then and had some arrangements.
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Eric, can you hit the unmute button on the keyboard?
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I mean, like, we had a little, you know, kissing action.
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And there were some things that I was just, like, do I even, like, really want to go back
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And, like, I was, like, I can do other things and make money other ways than, like, that.
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So I texted him another time, but we never ended up actually hanging out or anything.
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And how long were, like, the total hangout time was, what, two, three hours?
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And that was the only time you met someone from seeking arrangements?
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Were there other guys that you just sent, like, feet pics to or what?
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There were some guys who I would just, like, talk to and they would just, like, you know,
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want some pics and then I would get some money.
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So you were saying you were on some dating apps.
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Was it just Tinder or were there some others too?
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I think I went on, like, some other ones, Hinge or something.
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So relationship status, longest relationship, and are you, are you, or have you been on
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My relationship status is very confusing right now.
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My longest, my longest relationship is like three and a half years, which is the one that
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We're taking a break from each other, but we're not seeing any other people.
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You're on a break, but you're not seeing other people.
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It's like, I know we're like best friends and we're still like together, but not 100%
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like, like we're dedicated to each other, but we're not dating and we want to take away
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like the pressure of being in a relationship right now, like off of each other so that we
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can, cause we've been together since I was like 17.
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So like not a little kid, but I was really young and like I, we're both from Minnesota.
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Um, and we just didn't really get to grow separately.
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So just trying to like figure out navigating our paths as individuals so that eventually
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So you had this sort of a similar situation cause you said you were dating a guy for what
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And then you broke up, but y'all were still hanging out.
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But when you say you broke up, but you were hanging out.
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We were definitely still hooking up and stuff, but it just wasn't so much like the same boundaries
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It was a bit unclear and a bit untruthful in some ways.
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I mean, like we both, it was pretty toxic, but we both did some pretty messed up stuff,
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I've grown a lot since then and I hope he's grown a lot and reflected on himself, but just
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cause the way it's been, I don't really know how much, how much progress could have been
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I mean, it was just a lot of arguing and going back to an unhealthy relationship and ending
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it and then going back and ending it and then going back and just not being able to be
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Because I felt like he just couldn't give me what I needed, but I was so codependent.
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How did you meet your semi-quasi sort of boyfriend?
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My like 11th grade year of high school, I moved to his school for like three quarters
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Like he was trying to pursue something, but I was in a different relationship.
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But then he moved away and then we started talking over like Snapchat or something.
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So current relationship status, longest relationship, and are you currently on a dating app?
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So I'm single and I've been single my whole life.
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I mean, like, I just don't count them as a relationship.
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What is the longest period of time that you've been seeing a guy?
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No, but it's not like, oh, boyfriend and girlfriend.
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So, for those six months, that was very casual then?
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That's why I don't count as like a relationship, you know?
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I, I, like, I had before, but just like curiosity, like, watch, like, see who's there, but not actually
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So you've never been on a date or anything from a dating app?
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So you were on the dating apps back in Brazil or here?
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Like, if you go on an app, you're just going to see, like, people, like, really old.
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There's no, like, people at your age, you know?
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Like, when I came here and everyone's like, oh, do you have Tinder?
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But so in Brazil, it's not, is there, is there a specific dating app that's, like, a Brazilian
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I mean, that is, Instagram can be considered a dating app.
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I mean, that's how a lot of people goes down in the DMs.
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So you've been using Instagram for your dating adventures.
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Like, if I meet someone in person, it's better.
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I'm not going to try to find, like, online and stuff.
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Can we get some Brazilian flags in the chat, guys?
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So, relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on a dating app?
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I think the longest relationship I had was probably about a year.
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It kind of, like, started to get blurry towards the end of it.
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And then I am on dating apps currently, but it literally just depends on my mood at the time.
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I, like, will delete it one day, and it'll be gone for months.
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And then one day I'll be bored again and re-download it.
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Oh, you know, I tried it once, and it didn't go well.
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And I tried, but, like, I don't actually know how it works.
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I mean, it's basically lonely men, or wealthy men, older men, typically, that will basically
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Guys like Brazilian women, so, I mean, you should try it out, maybe.
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Me and my roommate downloaded it, and I haven't ever met up with anybody, but, like, Eliza's
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Like, not having to do anything, and not being too scared, but getting paid a bunch of money
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Like, if that's what they want, I would do that.
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But I think I would also want to bring a friend along, just to make sure...
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Tilt the microphone down towards you just a bit.
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Yeah, just to make sure nothing goes wrong, because I feel like you can never be too safe
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Even with, like, normal dating apps, like, Hinge and Tinder, it's, like, super intimidating,
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like, the thought of actually meeting up with the person.
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So, let alone Seeking Arrangements where they're, like, older men, specifically looking
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for, like, pretty young girls, it's a little scary.
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So, relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on a dating app?
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I'm a monogamous type of person, so I've always been, like, a partnership type.
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I think I did a little bit of dating, but I would say, like, close to eight years.
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It felt like it, because I lived with a person.
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It's been, like, a year and, like, four months.
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And, yeah, I'm being very, very, as you would say, cautuloso in Spanish.
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No, but you said you understand, so do you speak some Spanish, too?
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No, I understand, but, like, it's hard when, like, I need to talk.
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They don't know that I'm understanding, but I am.
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I am, like, I'm just, like, the hustle is real.
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I just, like, whatever people are comfortable with, I am a scaredy cat.
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So, you know, the older you get, sometimes you get a little more scared of things.
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So, I don't know if I'd be able to do it, but if I could, though, and everything was safe,
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Josh, relationship status, longest relationship.
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Dating app, not on one currently, but I have been.
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Or, I mean, maybe you were looking for sugar mama.
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I mean, you can, but, I mean, women really ain't trying to be sugar mamas.
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Relationship, probably, like, I've had two longest, and they're the same year.
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So, a few of you are on Seeking Arrangements, so I have to ask this question.
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But this guy from Seeking Arrangements, he would have been.
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He would have been if he would have wanted to continue it.
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Like, he was like, I'll see you again and stuff.
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I just didn't, like, talk to him for a really long time after.
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And then I was like, yo, I kind of want some money now.
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So, I don't think he took that too well, maybe, but.
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I was always too scared to actually, like, meet up with them or do anything.
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Even, like, a sugar daddy that hit you up some other means?
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Only because I've always been told, why don't you just get a rich boyfriend?
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And I feel like the feminist in me is like, are you telling me I'm inadequate?
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And, yes, I've had rich boyfriends before, but it's never been a situation where I was seeking it.
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I was basically a sugar mama the past eight years being broke as, so, yeah.
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I wouldn't mind going back to, like, someone that would like to take care of me, although I would not allow them to control me.
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So, I want to go around the panel once more on this.
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And I feel like this, feel like, I shouldn't say that.
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So, really quick, because I think that your answer to these two questions can kind of paint a little bit of how you approach dating and relationships.
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So, one, just your political orientation, and by the way, if any of you aren't comfortable sharing this, that's fine.
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Political orientation, and do you identify as a feminist?
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I mean, this is, if you were to ask me this, like, a month ago or, like, six months ago, I would have a different answer.
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But I've had, like, a lot of perspective shifts, and right now, I personally don't have a political point of view because I personally don't believe that I should stand with one side or another because I stand with everyone because I want them to all be together and not to be separate from each other.
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I can have certain perspectives on one side or another, but it doesn't mean I'm completely disregarding the person who thinks opposite of me.
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I believe that men and equal, men and women, should be treated equal, and if that's the definition, then I'm a feminist.
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I definitely lean toward the more liberal side, for sure.
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I'm from Minnesota, and it was very, like, strictly Republican.
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So, breaking, like, I've never identified with that, but my whole family does.
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So, I was always around people who align more with Republican ideals, and I do identify as a feminist.
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So, like, I don't know if anyone knows, like, who's the president right now and stuff.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm, like, I don't like him, but, like, I am okay if you do.
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Like, it's just not what I feel right now, and, like, you know?
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Like, soon there's going to be elections, so please vote and, like, take a good vote.
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Yeah, I would say that I also lean towards the liberal side, for sure, and similar to Nat, I grew up in a very Republican town, and so I feel like I definitely have seen both sides, but I would identify as liberal, and I would say I'm a feminist as well, yes.
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So, I use the term feminist, however, I'm kind of, like, you said yourself, I just believe in equality.
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I think that anyone can do anything that they want and be who they want to be.
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I have a little bit of feminine, a little masculine in me, whatever.
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Like, I don't really, I don't really, like, have, I'm not a Republican, nor I'm a Democrat.
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I'm, like, it's, like, kind of black and white for me.
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I mean, there's some that, for the men that I've met, in my experience, men, this is a very difficult question.
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I feel like everyone has something to learn, you know?
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And I feel like society, I feel like men are made, I feel like men nowadays don't hold themselves to the potential that they could be.
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Because I feel like men have a role in this world, and I feel like society is trying to crush that role and try to make them feel weak.
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Like, when really, there we go, ding, ding, ding.
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When really men are the ones, we're taught to think that they're the ones in power, and they do have a lot of power.
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When really, I know it sounds wrong, but they should have more, a sense of different authority in helping the world, rather than crushing it down.
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And they should be nurturing and uplifting everyone, instead of seeing themselves as maybe, you know, the top of the pyramid.
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I feel like men have always been seen as, like, they're at the top of the pyramid, basically.
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And I feel, it might be an unpopular opinion, I don't know.
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I feel like men have it a little too easy when it comes to relationships, and...
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I feel like they have it a little too easy when it comes to relationships in general, and I think that they're not expected of much in this day and age, but we are expected to respect them like they did back in the 60s and the 40s and all that stuff, but they're not paying my rent.
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They're not taking, if they want me to be a housewife like they used to be, then you better pay my rent, take care of me, do everything for me.
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So your current ting that you have, does he expect you to fulfill that?
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He definitely respects me, and there's been a lot of growth throughout our relationship, but at the same time, I'm somebody that takes care of people.
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So I automatically kind of put myself in that position just out of my, like, nurturing tendencies, basically.
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I had a lot of younger siblings that I took care of, so I kind of take on, weirdly enough, a mothering role, which could be kind of a red flag.
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But I'm learning to not be that way, and throughout me, treating him like that throughout our relationship, it's taught him to treat me like I should be expected of those things.
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Let me add, so are you saying that he, sorry, I'm just reading Mike Davis' super chat here.
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Are you saying that he expects you to be a traditional woman, but he's not a traditional man?
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I think not him in general, but men in general expect that.
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Because it's women are modern women, but they want men to conform to their traditional gender roles.
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Protect, provide, buy me a drink, initiate romantically.
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And when I say initiate romantically, I mean, it's most men's experience that when it comes to the dating marketplace, they have to adhere to their traditional role in terms of setting up the date, planning the date, asking the girl out, carrying the conversation, initiating the conversation, approaching, paying for the date, moving things forward.
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And sexually, well, before even that, escalating physically, going for the kiss, all that stuff still falls on men, generally speaking.
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Because my relationship, we've split everything 50-50 since we've been together, and a lot of my friends have also done the same thing in their relationships.
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Like, rent, I pay for my own things, and we do stuff for each other.
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This is not South America or, like, any other continent.
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Hey, let's not talk shit on South America here.
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I'm just saying, culturally, people pay, like, your way.
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But a lot of women are going to feel a certain type of way if you do not pay.
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Well, if you're not giving up the poon, you definitely don't want to do that, because there's an expectation for that.
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So imagine being on the female side of that, where you're like, oh, man, I better not let him buy me dinner, because God forbid he buys me dinner, he's going to want some poon later.
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I feel like, okay, so I agree with her, but the thing is, I'm not going to ask you on a date.
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But after the first date, I feel like, I don't know, like, at my age, everyone is, like, going to college, we all, like, know the situation, and we're all going to be like, I understand you.
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I mean, not going to lie, I feel like there is kind of an expectation that, like, guys will pay on the first date.
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And, like, if a guy offers, I'm not going to argue with that.
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I'll go with it because I feel like it's respectful.
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Like, on the first date, it's kind of, like, his way of showing, like, I want you and, like, I want to impress you.
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And, like, if he were to pay on the first date, I would want to pay on the next date and, like, make sure that it evens out.
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But, like, I wouldn't be mad if he offered to pay on the first date.
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Why don't you come in really quick before I give my take?
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So, I didn't think about that, about the, like, who ever asked.
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But, like, I'm just saying, like, just every time I've been on a date, I've always paid.
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I don't want to be, like, expecting, like, a girl to just, like, pay for my stuff.
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Like, I couldn't, like, I would just feel weird if, like, a girl paid for my stuff.
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I mean, so, the whole whoever asks thing ignores the fact that in 99% of instances, maybe it's a bit lower.
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So, your answer to that question may as well be, men should pay.
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If your answer is whoever asks, you might as well just say men.
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Because men are overwhelmingly the ones that are going to initiate.
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I think it also depends on the culture and where you are.
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They will walk right up to your man in front of you.
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Like, if you're an adult and you meet somebody at work or something, it probably could be the man that, I don't know.
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It depends on where you are and what the situation is.
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And, like, here, I would say girls ask guys out a lot.
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More often than you probably think is what I mean.
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But it's so exceedingly rare that it's, in terms of whoever asks, she doesn't agree, but
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It's, it's self, it's so evident that men are overwhelmingly the initiators.
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Where are, where is this happening for you, your experience?
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All across the United States, in a, in, even in a super liberal place like Santa Barbara.
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You, you think because we're super liberal now that women are all of a sudden gonna initiate?
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As a woman, men will come to you, be it on dating apps, being, be it at a bar, be it
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But as a man, if you want to get a girl, you have to initiate.
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If most men didn't put in the effort and didn't initiate, that's the end of their bloodline.
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The vast, the, the, maybe you guys are thinking about the top 10 or 20% of men that you guys
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are going after and you might consider initiating upon.
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But for the average man, no girls are hitting him up.
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He's going to stand there the entire night, totally alone.
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As a girl, even if you're an average girl, you go out to a bar, club, or party.
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Somebody, a guy's going to come and hit on you.
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He might not be the guy you want, but you're going to get some attention.
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And you might get a lot of attention, actually.
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I find it fascinating that you have your perspective, because I believe that you're probably right
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But from my experience, that's not the case at all.
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I feel like women have so much pressure to objectify themselves, to build them up for men.
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You put on a shirt, you put on some pants, and you have to have some confidence and go walk
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She has to put uncomfortable heels that were designed by men, by the way.
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So then they don't run away fast, and they're really uncomfortable.
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Get their hair done, their makeup, you know, like, try to look a certain way, because God
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knows if they don't look a certain way, they might not be attractive.
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And then you have these men whining, whining, because they actually have to say hello first.
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Like, do you have, go wear some heels for a whole night.
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And wear a tight little outfit, and, like, make sure you look good, and put some makeup
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on your face, and take two hours for your hair.
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I don't do those things, because I don't have the bandwidth, but, you know.
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As we get older, we are apparently not attractive anymore.
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I think men do have, in terms of finding a partner, actually, you know what?
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I think, honestly, women, even if they're older, they can still, honestly, run around
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Now, the problem that women run into is that if you want to have children, there is an expiration
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Because, past 35, then you're getting into higher chance of miscarriage, much more difficult
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So, a 40-year-old man who wants to have kids, he's probably going to be looking at someone
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who's, say, late 20s, 30s, versus someone who's his age who's 40.
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So, what about the 40-year-old woman who's destitute or just...
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I personally don't want to have kids, like, ever.
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So, I don't have that stress, but I know plenty of women around my age that are just really,
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really sad because they want to have babies, and that's a big deal.
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So, you have to think about all the other things that women have to deal with that men don't
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And it really kind of evens out the playing field.
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Like, if your perspective is that men have to do all this protecting and, like, outgoingness
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But I can see how that is the experience for a lot of people.
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You have to also think about all the other things that women deal with that men don't
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Like, this person might be a psycho killer and might, like, send me to sex trafficking school.
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That's why women do not initiate a lot because they're afraid of getting attacked.
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I don't care what you say, unless you have some MMA or whatever the hell behind, like,
00:39:42.880
But that's such an outlier scenario where a woman would be assaulted on a date.
00:39:51.020
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's, like, in normal dating scenarios, I mean, that
00:39:59.280
There's a chance I meet a psycho stalker chick and she slashes my tires.
00:40:08.400
No, I've not had my tires slashed, but I've definitely encountered some pretty fucking
00:40:25.680
You speak your mind, you are crazy as a female.
00:40:31.440
So, I mean, just to address your whole thing with, like, women have to, like, get ready
00:40:35.580
I mean, men also have a lot of things that they do before a date.
00:40:51.360
I mean, you mentioned protection, but that's a real one.
00:40:56.820
Okay, an expectation a lot of women have would be for their partner to protect them in the
00:41:05.960
Like, if you want to get into this debate of, like, oh, women spend all this money before
00:41:10.100
First off, I don't even want a chick to wear makeup if I'm on a date with her.
00:41:20.580
I think, actually, if you ask most guys, like, anything more than a bit of mascara
00:41:34.340
I mean, we can go back and forth on, like, what men and women have to do, but there's
00:41:39.820
an expectation that, in a relationship, men protect.
00:41:51.640
Maybe he's just making himself physically larger by going to the gym.
00:42:03.500
I think that's the thing, is, like, yes, we girls do do those things.
00:42:08.040
But one thing I do have to add, and, like, this might be an unpopular opinion, is that,
00:42:12.640
like, we do, in a way, subject ourselves to that because we want to find a mate that
00:42:23.340
And, like, if there's a guy who's not as tall as I want or not as muscular as I want, I can
00:42:30.140
And so, like, yes, I do get what you're saying there.
00:42:34.160
Like, we do have all those things, but we don't have to do that.
00:42:37.940
Like, I'm sure that there is a lot of guys that want, like, a natural girl and stuff.
00:42:41.060
But we do that because we want to feel like we're the top 10%, not just the 90% that most
00:42:52.260
So, you think men are going after the 90% of women?
00:42:57.480
I've actually had a guy tell me that before, that that was his theory.
00:43:00.720
And maybe it's not every guy, but he said that, like, women...
00:43:07.540
It's 80% of women that are going after the top 20% of men.
00:43:34.400
Is, like, we want to feel like we are higher...
00:43:38.300
Even though guys will go for the 80% or whatever it is.
00:43:42.540
We want to feel like we are at that top of that majority.
00:43:48.600
But we are kind of subjecting ourselves to it in a way.
00:43:50.980
So, I think, yeah, we can argue about, like, oh, girls have to get so much more ready.
00:43:56.660
We want to be held to a higher standard sometimes, you know?
00:44:00.500
And I feel like society plays a role in that, too.
00:44:02.640
Because I feel like women wouldn't have all these standards on them if we weren't...
00:44:06.340
If that wasn't put onto us since the day we were born.
00:44:08.620
That, like, you aren't pretty because you don't look like this.
00:44:11.540
Like, beauty standards aren't a real thing if you don't believe it.
00:44:14.840
If you look at people and you think an eye is this color and it's this shape and it's beautiful.
00:44:21.140
And you don't put it into all these categories that are rated.
00:44:26.240
And you don't have to make yourself top 10% or anything.
00:44:28.920
You can just be out there and meet the people that you're meant to meet from the heart.
00:44:36.100
And that's why they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
00:44:38.000
Because there's literally, like, somebody could think I'm the least attractive person in the world.
00:44:43.260
But then someone else can think I'm the most attractive person in the world.
00:44:52.460
Once you realize that, none of those standards matter to you anymore.
00:44:58.760
Do you think that there's beauty standards for men?
00:45:13.200
And we can do things to make ourselves a lot more attractive.
00:45:17.140
But you guys, you're a little stuck with what you got sometimes.
00:45:20.640
Guys can wear makeup, but then they'll be judged, some of them, you know?
00:45:30.460
I personally, I don't care about what they look like.
00:45:36.160
I mean, I have some degree of caring because, like, I've met this, like, guy today on the
00:45:40.180
bus who smelled like cigarettes and he was trying to, like, fuck me.
00:45:43.100
And, like, I'm not trying to be with someone who's, like, completely out of my standards
00:45:46.840
because my standards are more in the heart and head than in your outer.
00:46:01.420
I just don't want to lean down and be like, hey, buddy.
00:46:09.760
I mean, it would be if I wanted to be, like, feel macho.
00:46:18.480
I know it is what's in the head and the heart, but to some degree, I would, like,
00:46:23.240
at least this is probably what society has taught me.
00:46:40.540
No, that was actually a very good point that you made, that in some ways men have it
00:46:43.680
more difficult when it comes to our appearances.
00:46:45.800
So I'm going to, this might be a hot take, but I actually think that it's more difficult
00:46:57.320
as a man to be physically attractive than it is for women.
00:47:03.420
And men have actually more difficult beauty standards than do women.
00:47:11.720
I'm curious, what are the male beauty standards?
00:47:14.500
And maybe we shouldn't, we don't have to call it beauty, maybe we could call it handsome
00:47:19.760
Well, okay, for example, if you look at the idealized male body, that, first off, that's
00:47:31.560
So weightlifting or sporting, the ideal male body.
00:47:36.220
If you look at like superheroes, for example, in films, but a woman superhero, for example,
00:47:51.420
A woman can have the ideal, an ideal female body at 18.
00:47:59.440
Most, most men, it'll take years for them to have the ideal male body.
00:48:07.980
Is this ideal body even what people want though?
00:48:14.500
That has nothing to do with, it's your genetics.
00:48:17.600
It's your physicality, the way that you develop it.
00:48:25.480
I think we're playing too much on like male, female on that one.
00:48:28.120
And also like, did you start training when you were younger?
00:48:30.840
Because your muscles, you start to get muscle memory.
00:48:37.840
And I just, I feel like people need to just accept their bodies the way that they are.
00:48:43.260
But yes, the more you do something, the better you do get at it.
00:48:54.320
You know, some people will never have the flexibility that somebody else may have just because their hips are shaped differently.
00:49:00.040
This is, this is just like body composition, partly to do with genetics and also your lifestyle.
00:49:05.440
Have you been doing this and shaping your body to get used to strenuous movement from a young age?
00:49:14.220
Have you aligned them properly, your muscles, et cetera?
00:49:21.340
I was also going to say like, I personally, my body is not meant to be the female like beauty standard.
00:49:30.480
And it's never been, I've never been shaped like a superhero.
00:49:37.560
I was, I'm meant to be shaped the way that I am.
00:49:42.140
And I'm like, I'm okay with that now at my age.
00:49:44.480
But as a, when I was younger, I fought with it since I was probably like, when was, like princess movies.
00:49:51.560
When you're, when you're a kid, when you're a little kid, I idolize these princesses so much.
00:49:57.200
And their waist is this little, their hips are this big.
00:50:03.620
I would wear their, I would wear dresses to try to look like them.
00:50:06.500
And I would ask myself, why don't I look like these cartoons?
00:50:11.320
Ridiculous that we have to think about that at that young age.
00:50:15.400
I mean, have you seen, have you seen like the films, the superhero films, Thor?
00:50:22.180
Do you think that his physicality is achievable for most men?
00:50:31.920
But I mean, even so, it's kind of like we're saying, like it goes both ways.
00:50:35.920
Like boys and girls are taught from a young age.
00:50:40.740
I, both, both men and women certainly have, uh, they're, they're trying to reach a sort of, uh, beauty ideal.
00:50:51.960
And like, I will say, like, I think the whole point of this or where we're getting to is like women, like what you were saying earlier,
00:50:59.380
women can attain that or like the idealistic one a little bit easier, but not to say that it's like easy for us still,
00:51:09.680
because like, even so, like you have a bunch of beautiful girls here and like, I'm sure that we've all struggled with not feeling like we're enough just because we're like not the idea of what a man wants us to look like.
00:51:21.880
And it probably goes the same for men, like, and it definitely does.
00:51:25.440
And it is probably a little worse because you guys can't control things like height, but it's the same way that women can't control things like our weight or our features.
00:51:39.180
That's, you can't do anything about your height.
00:51:44.680
There are people that have seriously hormonal issues and it doesn't matter what they do or what they don't eat.
00:51:49.100
There's such a, of the people that are overweight and obese in this country, those that have hormonal issues is such a small minority of people.
00:51:56.020
But there's so many people and you have to understand there's different body types.
00:51:59.080
And if you, you are, you have certain fat in certain areas and you're shaped a certain way, you can definitely get fitter if you work out and you put the effort in, but you're not going to change.
00:52:09.620
You're not going to look like, you know, the sample size model ever, never, never, no matter what you eat, it's not happening.
00:52:17.920
Well, your, your, uh, bone density and your, your proportions, certain things like that, you can't change.
00:52:25.180
But in terms of your weight, that's just calories in calories out.
00:52:31.540
And by the way, as somebody, so I actually, so I've never mentioned this on the stream.
00:52:42.160
So I've had periods where I've gained some weight.
00:52:46.300
Um, my experience has been like, and I take medication for it.
00:52:50.740
Um, to me, it's, it, if I really tune into my diet, I can lose weight.
00:52:58.620
So as someone who has one of these hormonal, uh, things, I can tell you it's calories in calories out.
00:53:09.220
It's a bit harder for me, but it just comes down to discipline.
00:53:15.560
Discipline does help, but I mean, you're not going to get at your target weight.
00:53:19.040
If it's going to be a specific height and a specific, specific weight, not everyone can reach it.
00:53:27.220
Of course, a woman who's six, four is going to weigh more than a woman who is, uh, five
00:53:35.060
feet, even if they're the same body fat percentage.
00:53:38.280
But if you're, your body fat percentage is in an unhealthy range, there's nothing you can
00:53:46.320
There's nothing stopping you from, I mean, aren't you're a trainer, right?
00:53:51.280
But I let people know it's more so about motivating a different part of your system.
00:53:59.460
You start thinking too much about weight, about your body shape.
00:54:02.660
You're not getting the real benefits, which is circulation and detoxing from bad energy.
00:54:17.340
It's all those things that you want to burn off.
00:54:22.260
So once you start thinking about the things that really matter, which is feeling better
00:54:25.760
versus the way you look, it all tends to start to shape beautifully because when you're
00:54:31.080
happy, there's a certain eminence, there's a certain vibration that happens where you
00:54:35.940
start to look good because you feel good and you're confident.
00:54:39.400
When you don't feel good, and if you're staring at things that you can't change, you come as
00:54:47.400
You come as you come and you accept what you are.
00:54:50.420
Yeah, and if you don't, then it's very stressful, and that's why people binge eat.
00:55:08.440
What's up with the all black that something Chase should wear?
00:55:12.120
Do you want to fire back at Mr. Mike Davis here?
00:55:21.040
I've gotten a bunch of random ones, so I understand it.
00:55:30.680
Hey, Mike Davis, thank you for the $10 super chat.
00:55:33.120
Sorry we missed you last week, but glad to see you back in the chat.
00:55:39.320
That message got Brian's heart to 200 plus BPM.
00:55:46.040
But Eric, do you know what a national, do you know what that is?
00:56:02.200
Ladies, remember, it's never a thousand for just hang out.
00:56:05.020
If you want to get paid high for your time, learn a skill or get a degree, become valuable
00:56:09.780
or ease your way, sell your body directly or indirectly.
00:56:22.700
And by the way, you are, how old are you again?
00:56:26.500
Like, there's no 19-year-old dudes that are getting paid a thousand bucks for Starbucks
00:56:39.780
But I'm saying a degree does not measure your intelligence.
00:57:12.380
I'd love to bring Cheyenne back to the Fuhrer bunker.
00:58:45.420
By the way, this is, just to clarify, this is a World War I helmet.
00:59:01.600
It's a World War I helmet, and that was before the Nazis.
00:59:06.420
So, for World War I, who was the bad guy is a bit more ambiguous.
00:59:28.160
If you want, leave it on for the rest of the show.
00:59:56.680
Print guests' names and place in front of them.
00:59:59.280
Make all soup chats over $15 to auto-announce and response to them right away instead of
01:00:09.580
We had a text-to-speech overlay, but it kind of, like, distracted a bit from the show.
01:00:21.940
Instead of doing it piecemeal, doing it just in batches.
01:00:27.860
I will try to get to super chats more regularly, but we had a good little conversation there
01:00:49.940
I can't do math, but those numbers don't add up.
01:00:56.940
Christina, do you want to respond to Mr. Mike Davis?
01:01:05.600
I can't do math, but those numbers don't add up.
01:01:12.140
I'm not sure how you want me to respond to that.
01:01:20.740
All soup chats will be displayed in stream overlay.
01:01:35.320
I don't really want to go back to the body discussion.
01:02:03.720
Like you've initiated, you've gone up to a guy.
01:02:07.320
I mean, I feel like one of the times I have gone up to a guy, I just like, we're at a party
01:02:11.300
or something and I just walk up to him and we just start talking.
01:02:18.900
So you're, he comes up to you or you go up to him?
01:02:21.980
I mean, I've had guys come up to me, but I feel like I've also definitely gone up to
01:02:27.080
Like maybe nothing serious happened, but it's me initiating some sort of conversation that
01:02:39.180
It's honestly whatever comes to my mind and like the setting and the situation and who it is.
01:02:43.760
I don't want me to just walk up and I just like say some random thing and we just have
01:03:12.840
We're at some party on DP or something, you know?
01:03:37.680
No, it's, it's because like, okay, I'll play along.
01:04:09.680
Do you want to like go hang out after or something?
01:04:23.800
You're just going to ask the guy to fuck like that.
01:04:47.880
Nah, like most chicks are not 30 seconds into the interaction saying, hey, want to fuck.
01:04:56.680
We have more time to talk on the way to my place.
01:05:03.060
I literally, there was a chick that took off her clothes in front of me.
01:05:39.800
I know that I've been monogamous for a really long time, but there's a few, like, there's
01:05:52.100
But, like, okay, if you've only slept with five guys, you would remember that it's five.
01:06:16.900
Like, I don't have, the body count thing doesn't shame me at all.
01:06:19.980
I just, I know that I've been quite some of a prude, you know?
01:06:25.860
But that's because I've had terrible, like, people think, oh, yeah, hot sex, like, one
01:06:37.720
So, if he, that's, if he is having some difficulty.
01:06:45.860
Just like if something's not wet, and it's a problem, and it's, like, well, it's a problem
01:06:52.000
Well, it's a lot easier for women to get wet, and also, there's lube.
01:07:04.120
I tried that with an ex one time, and we both got a huge headache.
01:07:12.740
We thought it would make us really horny, and it didn't.
01:07:15.380
It was, like, we were both, like, oh, like, fuck this shit.
01:07:28.940
It was his friend that was selling it or something.
01:07:32.500
Well, as far as the body count of the table goes.
01:07:35.340
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
01:07:44.000
Even if our body counts were 100, if a guy's body count is 100, that's so normal and okay
01:07:51.580
Why do you just assume that all of us are lying?
01:07:57.620
He said all of our body counts should be multiplied by three.
01:08:08.280
The thing is, is that, I mean, most people can't be most, some men too, but a lot of
01:08:16.520
women are not going to be honest about their body count.
01:08:18.840
A lot of women have other priorities than dick.
01:08:32.500
You kind of did when you're like, you don't know your body count.
01:08:36.320
I mean, I mean, that's kind of like a pretty intimate thing.
01:08:41.500
Most people would remember people they've had sex with, I would assume.
01:08:44.720
Unless, if it's so astronomical where you're starting to forget people, then.
01:08:53.520
So, if it's not there mentally, you know, I don't remember them.
01:08:59.940
Wait, so, okay, you were in an eight-year relationship, right?
01:09:03.320
And then you said you broke up like a year and a half ago?
01:09:20.960
But I actually, it's the funny thing about desire, and I'll tell people this, is that
01:09:26.960
we think we want things and we need things until we realize that we don't.
01:09:34.540
When I find the right person, it'll probably be a marathon.
01:09:42.580
Like, there's so many things involved as a woman.
01:09:45.680
Like, there's, there's like infections and STDs out there, monkey pox.
01:09:53.620
Like, unless someone is really going to bring it to the table, I actually have a checklist
01:10:00.020
At least have your car and your house and not be a bum couch surfer that I have to drag
01:10:08.420
And like, at least have a good attitude, be healthy, not make me responsible for everything,
01:10:18.440
Like, and yeah, I don't put up with people that don't respect me anymore because I'm an
01:10:23.520
empath and I tend to take in so much and I give people excuses.
01:10:26.900
I'm like, oh, but they're that way because they had a broken family.
01:10:38.500
I mean, that seems, a lot of that stuff seems pretty reasonable.
01:10:50.100
It's just, I've been with really high maintenance men.
01:11:08.480
So either you can handle the authenticity and the opinionated.
01:11:12.980
Like, I'm very good at respecting people's differences, but not when mine isn't.
01:11:17.960
So, like, you can think the way you do and I still respect you, but if you don't respect
01:11:21.780
me and allow my space as well, that's where I just walk away.
01:12:06.260
Because men are legends if they fuck everything.
01:12:10.580
But women are slut and dirty and they fuck a lot.
01:12:18.420
It's when you're negative towards the female gender and it's a double-edged sword.
01:12:23.280
So you treat them unfairly because they're females.
01:12:25.940
You think that they have to act a specific way.
01:12:28.020
It's a hegemonic way of thinking and it's very masculine.
01:12:31.560
It's been conditioned for years and years so much that you don't even realize you're
01:12:36.080
I mean, are there differences between men and women?
01:12:40.900
But what makes it okay for you to smash like 10 women in a week and not okay for a woman
01:12:45.960
Because it's hard for men and it's very easy for women to get sex.
01:13:14.920
See how different people's worlds can be though?
01:13:21.620
The fact of the matter is, is that for men, it's very difficult for them to get laid.
01:13:43.460
So, I mean, any single girl at this table, if she was so inclined, right now it's 8.15 on
01:14:02.020
You think an average guy can just go out and get laid.
01:14:09.780
Like, so many that are like, I just want to fuck tonight and I'm going to go fuck someone.
01:14:24.120
I said, I'm just scared of, like, I'm more of a hypochondriac.
01:14:27.200
I think people are gross sometimes and don't clean themselves properly.
01:14:34.440
Like, they have extreme difficulty getting laid.
01:14:39.520
Most men, if they DM a chick, she's just going to leave him on red.
01:14:46.500
But if a girl DMs a guy, she's probably going to, more likely than not, she'll get a response.
01:14:56.900
Eric, can you pull up on the other tab, go to my YouTube channel, pull up my social experiment
01:15:21.900
So you're going to, actually, let me pull up window here if we can see it.
01:15:39.520
Down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down.
01:16:02.680
Don't even, don't even, go, find, find a regular looking chick.
01:16:56.020
But even an average looking girl probably has a lot better odds than the average looking guy
01:17:00.660
because our standards are higher than men's naturally.
01:17:03.980
Most men, most men, yes, we can talk about a male model doing it.
01:17:13.200
The fact of the matter is most women, if they are direct with guys, if they were so inclined,
01:17:17.860
either in person or on a dating app at a bar or a club, if they wanted to, they could walk into a club, say,
01:17:24.160
who wants to fuck, some guy's going to be down, most guys are probably going to be down to fuck.
01:17:29.060
If a guy walks, does the same exact thing, ain't no chick going to take him serious.
01:17:34.760
Ain't no chick going to be, he could be walking, good looking, have a fucking Lambo parked outside, be rich, balling, whatever it is.
01:17:42.320
No chick's just going to go straight up, go for it.
01:17:44.680
But speaking about the average man, the average man can't just hook up with a girl like that.
01:17:55.620
I think it depends on how charismatic they are.
01:18:00.040
Because if you're funny and you're cool and you're confident.
01:18:04.200
What percentage of men are charismatic and cool?
01:18:12.320
For women to say, I want a guy who's funny, who's charismatic, who's confident, all this shit.
01:18:43.760
I mean, actually, for a lot of guys, most men have no standards.
01:18:55.180
Most guys are so affection-starved, attention-starved.
01:19:00.860
So they'll, a lot of men will tolerate a lot of shit from women.
01:19:09.420
And, like, not saying that that's a good thing, but that's just how it is, I guess.
01:19:14.320
But, like, that's just the societal privilege of being a woman is that we have better chances of getting laid.
01:19:24.600
But, like, what the fuck does that do for me in life, honestly?
01:19:33.280
Like, we have more options in who we want to find suitable as a partner, whereas men will probably settle for a lot less because they are so sex-starved and affection-starved.
01:19:46.400
Here's the difference is women sleep with who they want.
01:19:54.980
How do you think that that could be evened out more or balanced out more?
01:19:59.940
I think, I mean, women lowering their standards.
01:20:05.220
Because some of y'all, frankly, are a bit delusional about not, I'm not saying all women, but some women have a elevated, an unrealistic, elevated sense of self.
01:20:16.360
Be it either their physical attractiveness or who they are as a person.
01:20:19.860
So, I think if women were more realistic with their own self-assessments.
01:20:25.220
I mean, we've done this on previous shows where, like, we'll ask someone in the chat, Mr. Stifler, we'll ask what the women rate themselves.
01:20:37.460
I don't think that's, like, every woman, though.
01:20:40.640
Some women are very realistic about, you know, their appearance or what they're potentially bringing to a relationship.
01:20:48.040
And I think this is part of the contributing factor to why women have an elevated sense of their own attractiveness.
01:20:56.680
So, you can sleep with a guy who's more attractive than you.
01:21:03.120
So, that's why you always hear girls talking about fuck boys and guys don't want to commit.
01:21:08.960
So, what you have happening is if a woman can sleep with a guy who's more attractive than her, she's going to think, well, I can sleep with a guy who I think is an 8 or a 9.
01:21:19.760
So, I can then date and have my standards that high.
01:21:26.540
You have the top 10 or 20% of men on dating apps that are just crushing it on dating apps.
01:21:41.560
So, I mean, and I think men need to level up too, though.
01:21:50.940
I mean, I have kind of very, not radical takes on this, but I mean, they've got to get fit.
01:22:01.920
So, men've got to level up, but I do think to some degree women have, I mean, I think it's no surprise.
01:22:12.400
If you were to ask who's pickier, men or women, I mean, it's kind of, duh, women are more picky.
01:22:17.280
Yeah, I feel like everyone should just, like, meet each other halfway in some way.
01:22:21.100
Like, women could maybe, in some ways, you know, like, what you were saying, realize the standards and reality of situations,
01:22:27.360
and men need to rise up to the occasion for the women and themselves.
01:22:31.720
I mean, we could go around the table if you want to rate yourselves from 1 to 10.
01:22:43.940
So, is this rated by just, like, face, or, like, but what else do we have?
01:22:54.600
Maybe, like, a 7, but with everything I have to, like, offer, like, a 10.
01:23:01.880
Like, what you were saying, like, if I was on Tinder, I'd, like...
01:23:05.520
I would use, like, a photo of me with my Range Rover.
01:23:30.220
I think one day, like, some days I feel like I'm a 10.
01:23:50.040
I guess if I, like, really had to put a number to it.
01:23:53.060
And, like, I have no idea if this is realistic or delusional.
01:24:14.720
I was honestly, like, truthfully, at the bottom of my core, I feel like I'm, like, a 6.7, I think.
01:24:23.740
No, I, like, I'm being really honest right now.
01:24:31.080
Before anyone said anything, I was gonna, like...
01:24:34.780
But this is notable that, like, you know, I've come a long way.
01:24:40.500
So, the first number that came into my head was a 7.7.
01:24:53.500
If we lined up 50 men, what do you think they would rate you?
01:25:04.480
It would drive me crazy if I gave a shit what men thought.
01:25:09.340
If you have big titties, then they get bored and they want small titties.
01:25:13.020
If you've got a fat ass, then they always want fat ass.
01:26:01.040
I'm very particular, which is actually hard for me because of that.
01:26:14.860
I would say, like, maybe, like, 1%, maybe less.
01:26:24.800
By the way, I do want to say I appreciate all y'all honesty for the body count thing.
01:26:30.020
Some people don't want to answer that, so I do really appreciate you guys just answering it.
01:26:35.080
So, what percentage of men do you find attractive?
01:26:40.760
But if I had to guess, like, somewhere between 20% to 30%.
01:26:51.280
The way we could answer this, what percent of men would you...
01:26:54.620
You don't have to give an exact percentage, but do you swipe left on?
01:27:01.820
What percentage of men do you swipe right on, so yes, on dating apps?
01:27:12.560
So, what percentage of men do you find attractive?
01:27:27.180
I mean, my roommate, Anastasia, can vouch for me.
01:27:45.480
And, like, one picture, they look completely different than the other, you know?
01:27:48.620
But in real life, you really get the feel for them.
01:28:04.500
It's just, the rating question doesn't make sense to me.
01:28:07.640
I don't rate unless I start to get to know someone.
01:28:38.760
I like them to be healthy and agile as well, both mentally and physically.
01:28:43.420
And I'm like that now because men are so superficial, and they're very particular about what they like.
01:28:54.500
I used to date men that were very physically unattractive because I thought those things didn't matter.
01:29:21.000
I thought it didn't until I was with someone that had a pencil dick once.
01:29:26.660
So, I was like, I thought that, you know, it would work out.
01:29:45.680
So, I guess my question is, you object to the rating thing.
01:29:49.540
But you're, is it because it's trying to measure someone?
01:29:54.640
No, I don't, like, that's so funny how men are so obsessed with their dicks.
01:30:00.900
Like, when someone sends a dick pic, I'm like, ew, you just made me feel filthy.
01:30:05.280
Like, it's sexier when, like, they're doing something intelligent.
01:30:21.300
I'm not thinking, oh, because dudes that are short can have huge dicks, FYI.
01:30:34.200
They say measure on foot size and, like, hand size.
01:30:50.420
I think a majority of the time, in my experience, men have thought with their dicks.
01:30:56.120
Because, at least, what I've been told, even just yesterday, my friend was, like, you know,
01:31:03.980
But, like, when guys look at a girl, they just, like, think about sex automatically.
01:31:08.800
And, I don't think women do the same thing almost ever.
01:31:13.080
So, I think they, most of the time, do think with their dicks.
01:31:15.800
If they want to or not, it could be just their programming.
01:31:30.760
I was reading the comments because they're ridiculously funny.
01:31:38.820
No, I wasn't because I was, well, you have the comments.
01:31:41.080
Like, we're reading what you guys are saying, by the way.
01:32:27.040
So, I think men do think with their dicks, and women don't.
01:32:32.960
I don't, and if she does, she's probably, like, fucking wild.
01:32:37.580
Okay, so, my question is, then, if women don't think with their pussy, why is it the case, then, that the average woman has slept with more men, or sorry, has slept with more people than has the average man?
01:32:56.800
I feel like it probably just goes with the odds you were talking about how women can sleep with men easier, so they have more opportunities for that.
01:33:15.620
I mean, that's, like, the straight answer to it.
01:33:17.880
Like, women sleep with men more because we can.
01:33:21.040
And, because men don't really have the same privilege all the time.
01:33:26.320
Eric, really quick, just since we're on the topic, remember that infographic you pulled up last time?
01:33:32.980
So, Christina, do you want to just come in on that?
01:34:30.420
Share of men and women between ages 18 and 30 reporting no sex in the past year.
01:34:40.700
This is from 2018, by the way, from the Washington Post.
01:34:58.500
Only fans, you know, dating apps becoming even more popular.
01:35:20.400
Do you think we could say the same about, about women?
01:35:30.180
You know, we all have our different experience.
01:35:38.880
I can share my opinion, but I definitely would fuck less than other women.
01:35:47.280
Um, I just speak, again, I speak for myself, but I'm not driven by that whatsoever.
01:35:53.340
I desire more of an emotional connection with somebody.
01:35:55.940
That's why I've only been with people that I've been in a relationship with.
01:36:00.860
I feel like if there's more people, like more women having sex, it's probably because they're
01:36:06.000
in the relationship because it's that what I think is like guys, it's harder.
01:36:11.580
Like, I don't think most of them want a relationship now in that age, 18 to 30.
01:36:17.420
So that's why I feel like there's more girls having sex because maybe they want a relationship
01:36:25.300
Well, I mean, in order for that infographic to make sense, what needs to be happening is
01:36:30.260
there's a smaller proportion of men that are having sex with a lot of women.
01:36:42.700
So what's happening is, is that there's a lot of, there's more women that are having
01:36:47.080
sex, but they're having sex with the same guys, essentially.
01:36:51.120
Obviously not the whole, you know, there's, it breaks down geographically, but well, duh.
01:37:09.860
So in order for that infographic to be true, what, what is happening is there's a small percentage
01:37:16.280
of men that they're sleeping with most of the women.
01:37:20.960
So a small percentage of men are sleeping with most of the women.
01:37:24.660
So like there's pro for example, there's some guys probably in IV that are just racking up
01:37:33.360
Most, most men don't have access to hookup culture.
01:37:39.120
Whereas almost all women, if they were so inclined, have access to hookup culture.
01:37:44.860
I, this is exactly where we were talking before.
01:37:46.780
Like, because, um, I don't know, like if it's there is because it's right.
01:37:59.380
It's like different though, because I feel like a majority of women don't want the hookup
01:38:05.820
Not all of them, because like me personally, I do participate in hookup culture and I'm
01:38:09.940
not really one for long-term relationships, but that's not how most women think.
01:38:15.220
Most women would rather have a long-term relationship rather than hookup culture.
01:38:20.560
Whereas men, that's what they strive for because that's so easy for them.
01:38:24.760
Like get to lay in bed with a nice chick, different chick and not have to commit to a relationship.
01:38:31.800
But women don't want it even though it's accessible.
01:38:35.280
So that actually is, so that is men's, let's say, evolutionary biological, um, sexual strategy.
01:38:52.000
For most men, they have to, it's going to be within the confines of a relationship.
01:38:55.680
But of the men that can, that's why the, that's why a lot of women are encountering men that
01:39:00.440
won't commit because they don't have to, because if they can, if they're just getting a whole
01:39:14.360
Um, and so I, I think I didn't get to touch on this when we were talking about before.
01:39:19.260
So we were talking about the double standard and you had brought up misogyny, that it's
01:39:24.360
misogyny that there's a double standard between men and women insofar as men are not shamed
01:39:32.060
shamed for if, if they sleep with a lot of women, but women are shamed.
01:39:40.900
I mean, I don't think that is the, that's just an effect of misogyny.
01:39:52.740
So basically men are viewed, excuse me, men are viewed as studs and women are viewed as
01:40:10.360
So, and we've already sort of talked about this.
01:40:26.860
Steven Krug, Steven Krug, you came around, dude, bro.
01:40:41.200
Hey, that's a, that's one of our biggest super chats ever, man.
01:40:45.600
We'll get to your, we'll, we'll, we'll get to your super chat shortly here.
01:40:50.940
I was talking about the double standard and why I personally think it's justified.
01:41:02.880
So women sleep with who they want men sleep with who they can.
01:41:09.380
I don't know if you've heard of this analogy, a lock.
01:41:13.880
A lock that opens too many keys is a shitty lock.
01:41:22.560
So it ultimately just comes down to, it's very easy for women to sleep with men.
01:41:29.820
Like it, so it's not impressive if you can sleep with a lot of men, but for a guy to be
01:41:35.920
able to sleep with a lot of women, he's, there's something about him.
01:41:42.900
I think that there's like certain men, like, let's say here it's like athletes kind of like
01:41:58.680
I understand what you're saying, but there are like men that are praised for like getting
01:42:05.000
as many girls as possible when they're like the top, like what, 10% or something, but
01:42:11.880
But like women, like there are some women that, that can't get sex as easily as other
01:42:25.460
So it's like, I get that it's easier for women.
01:42:28.980
I totally, I, I do agree with you and I understand where you're coming from, but there are
01:42:34.980
women that can't, and they still fall under the category of a slut because they're a
01:42:40.060
Wait, so you're saying there's women that can't get laid?
01:42:42.420
As easy, as easy as other women or like there are men that can get laid easier than certain
01:42:47.400
women, but women are called sluts because you know what I'm saying?
01:42:57.320
And then when they do get laid, they're a slut.
01:42:59.540
You take a super hot guy and he has the same body count as an average girl.
01:43:03.560
The super hot guy is automatically like he's a player.
01:43:14.860
Even if it is like generally easier for girls, like if you have an average girl for her to
01:43:21.140
be sleeping with a lot of guys, people will still be like, ew, how could she do that?
01:43:28.620
But like if an average guy had the same body count as well, he's still getting praised
01:43:34.720
He's bringing, but he's bringing something to the table.
01:43:37.280
He's got game or he's got status or he's got wealth.
01:43:47.640
That's what we're saying is there's certain, there's like maybe, I don't want to say a
01:43:50.520
category of women, but for lack of better word, I'm going to say that.
01:43:53.700
But like there are women that can't get laid as easy as like the really attractive men
01:44:01.260
that don't have to work as hard as like maybe the average man does.
01:44:09.140
Yes, women like probably can get laid easier than men, but like these women are still labeled
01:44:18.360
And that's where it's like the double-edged sword, I feel like, because like, I don't
01:44:24.480
know, like if I had a higher body count, a guy's going to look at me and be like, I don't
01:44:30.220
But why am I not allowed to do the same for a guy?
01:44:34.540
I am, but society like kind of puts a pressure to kind of let that kind of thing go.
01:44:45.780
So, I mean, I think women, generally speaking, care less about their partner's body count
01:44:50.980
than do men care about their partner's body count.
01:44:53.720
But I think, I mean, my take on this is that women are, women can have any preference or
01:45:01.540
If a woman doesn't want to date a guy that's a player that's, or that's, you know, has a
01:45:09.680
And she might want to do that because that guy, if he's got a high body count, and if
01:45:13.820
she genuinely wants a serious relationship, she might be like super like relationship
01:45:19.500
She only wants to have sex within the confines of a monogamous relationship.
01:45:23.820
I think that's a perfectly reasonable standard for any woman to have that, hey, I don't want
01:45:29.520
And there are, there's definitely women like that.
01:45:32.120
I actually think there's not really much shaming women in terms of, I don't really hear that
01:45:39.040
so much, like women being shamed for not wanting to date a guy with a high body count.
01:45:49.960
But what I do hear a lot is men being shamed for not wanting to date a woman with a high
01:46:01.240
Because it, it, it becomes this, it, slut shaming.
01:46:12.760
Is it just that like men want women to be more of their own or they want them to be
01:46:18.660
like more innocent or to be, have less experience or like, why is it that men look at women this
01:46:24.820
Like why do men want a woman with a lower body count?
01:46:32.480
Men are attracted to women who are, who are innocent.
01:46:35.600
Men, whether people like to, whether they hate this, men are attracted to women or men value
01:46:46.840
And you know, that could either manifest itself, excuse me, there's a fly.
01:46:50.320
That can either manifest itself as someone who has a very low body count or who's a virgin.
01:46:54.640
Now the days of a woman being a virgin, having the expectation that a woman is a virgin, that's
01:47:02.460
But still we look for it in someone who has a low body count.
01:47:16.040
With body count, if a woman has a high body count, if she sleeps with a lot of men, if
01:47:20.100
she's promiscuous, if she has a child, you cannot guarantee who the father is of that
01:47:31.060
But in the past, throughout all human history, DNA tests, that's from the 1980s.
01:47:40.820
So that doesn't change our men's evolutionary and biological hardwiring for preferring a
01:47:55.540
Because one of the biggest fears a guy has is that kid not being yours.
01:48:00.340
That's pretty much the biggest L a guy can take.
01:48:02.520
If you think the kid is yours and it's not yours, that's a huge L for guys.
01:48:06.880
So men have a vested interest in ensuring that the child is theirs.
01:48:11.740
Whereas for women, if you get pregnant, you know the kid is yours.
01:48:16.020
Do men care about if they want to, like, go around and get and lay all these girls and
01:48:20.800
Do they care about having multiple children with random women then?
01:48:27.360
But it's still like an evolutionary hardwiring that's ingrained in them.
01:48:32.240
So a guy could be in his, you know, 19, 20, 21.
01:48:37.460
He has no intention of having children anytime soon.
01:48:40.020
But that's not going to change that there's this evolutionary psychology thing that's ingrained
01:48:48.440
in men to find promiscuity unappealing and unattractive and, frankly, disgusting.
01:48:54.040
So there's that from a more intellectual level.
01:49:03.460
So someone who's, I can tell you me personally, a woman who's promiscuous, if I know that she's
01:49:13.180
just, like, hooking up with a bunch of guys, and I think some guys don't care about this,
01:49:17.740
but I don't want to sleep with a girl who's fucking another guy.
01:49:21.580
I mean, I think a lot of people could agree with that.
01:49:23.540
Like, I don't want, no, but I mean, the dating meta is as such, like, both men and women are
01:49:32.280
So you have to assume, probably, if you're going on a date with someone, hey, they could
01:49:36.580
be sleeping with at least one other person, maybe two or three.
01:49:40.480
You probably know some guys, you probably know some girls that have a roster, they're hooking
01:49:45.380
And so to me, the thought of sleeping with a woman who's fucking another guy, oh, she
01:49:52.660
fucked her, she fucked him the night before, he came in her, and then I'm going to fuck
01:50:00.020
And women, by the way, I want to make something very clear.
01:50:01.780
Women can have this exact same preference and standard for men.
01:50:14.120
The more sexual partners you have, you're more likely to have an STD, be it permanent
01:50:22.980
I mean, and yeah, you can get tested, but like, I think, you know, we can all be realistic
01:50:30.040
Most people that are hooking up, having sex for the first time, are they really getting
01:50:33.600
tested before they have sex with someone for the first time?
01:50:36.020
Um, no, most people are hooking up at bars, clubs, parties, one night stands.
01:50:49.600
They've also done studies that people who have higher body count, who are more promiscuous,
01:50:57.720
They're less likely to be able to pair bond because they've detached sex from intimacy.
01:51:03.780
So the more, the more casual sex you have, the more difficult it is for you to pair bond
01:51:09.760
If you've slept with a hundred people, you're not really, that number 101 isn't going to
01:51:21.180
Um, so there's that, but they have done studies.
01:51:23.620
So more, you're more likely to be divorced, higher the body count, more likely for divorce,
01:51:27.960
more likely for relationship dissatisfaction, more likely for infidelity, more likely for
01:51:32.840
just the, uh, if it's not marriage, more likely for the relationship to not work out.
01:51:38.080
And you're just, you're not as capable of falling in love and being able to pair bond
01:51:44.960
Cause you just go through it so many times that eventually the time is going to come
01:51:51.160
I'll just keep going and going and going and you'll never really get that full fulfillment
01:51:54.600
or satisfaction that you could, if you hadn't done that.
01:51:58.480
And if you're constantly just having casual sex, just casual hookups, you are basically
01:52:04.560
rewiring your brain to go towards short-term pleasure seeking.
01:52:10.340
So in the same way, like, cause it's very exciting to be with someone new.
01:52:14.040
And then if you're constantly doing it, then you're kind of rewiring your brain a bit there
01:52:22.540
In the same way, if you've just swiped up on Tik TOK, you know, if you've been on Tik TOK
01:52:26.840
swiping or whatever it's called going through the for you page, yeah, going through, through
01:52:31.920
the for you page for three hours and then you want to sit down and read a book, good
01:52:37.820
So in the same way that Tik TOK kind of rewires you to messes with your attention span, it's
01:52:45.240
That's, that's a, that's a good correlation there.
01:52:49.460
I think people should be free to do whatever they want, but I mean, I think, I think women
01:52:54.400
care a little bit less about body count, but definitely men, like that's a pretty big,
01:53:01.020
Everyone's definitely going to do what they want, but there definitely are.
01:53:03.500
I can see some like systems of just like evolution and stuff that do have effect in all of this.
01:53:08.360
And I feel like it can be put in the background a lot of the time and people don't really realize
01:53:12.160
like the effect that their actions could be having on their life and in the world.
01:53:17.500
We can go around the table really quick on this.
01:53:24.740
Well, I guess we'll, we could phrase it like this.
01:53:35.140
Do you object to that being a standard that men have in women?
01:53:39.920
I mean, I don't think I get the whole reasoning and every, the whole conversation we just had,
01:53:45.120
but I don't think, I still think that they should maybe keep their eyes open.
01:53:50.300
Cause what if the person you're truly meant to be with and like you have a real connection
01:53:53.900
with has fucked like 30 plus guys, you know, I feel like there's different cases for everyone
01:54:14.160
I like personally, since I've been in a long-term relationship, I can lie and say like it didn't
01:54:21.700
like affect me or it's not something that like bothered me a little bit in the beginning,
01:54:26.100
but I think that that's up to the person and if like the person they want to be like,
01:54:32.120
I think it's very, very subjective to everybody.
01:54:34.840
For me, like I am very dedicated to who I'm with and like the thought of it sometimes bothers me
01:54:42.460
a little bit, but I don't think it should matter in general to people.
01:54:48.300
I don't think it should matter, but unfortunately it matters.
01:54:52.500
Like, um, uh, this year is my second year and like we barely started the school year
01:55:00.200
and I have been asked, I don't know how many times what my body count was.
01:55:13.300
Oh, but so was it just a conversation or they were romantically interested?
01:55:23.100
But I never asked something like that, you know, like I feel like it's something so for
01:55:28.880
Like, I don't care how many people like you have slipped, like slept with.
01:55:34.180
But if like, it would be nice if I know, but it's not like something like, I don't know,
01:55:49.760
And it kind of sucks that it does, because I feel like the reason that women don't care
01:55:53.500
as much as men is kind of because we're conditioned not to care as much.
01:55:58.140
Like, it's more normalized for men to participate in hookup culture and to rack their body count
01:56:05.160
And so because of that, I feel like it's honestly more of a possessive thing.
01:56:08.520
Like, a man just wants to know that his woman hasn't been hitting up the streets or whatever,
01:56:14.560
whereas women don't care as much because we're not as possessive about that.
01:56:18.060
Like, I personally wouldn't care if the guy that I ended up with had a higher body count
01:56:23.100
because he's, well, it kind of depends on the person himself too.
01:56:26.540
But, like, if he's a good person and he has a higher body count, he's just experiencing
01:56:33.120
And, like, hopefully it doesn't continue to rack up after meeting me, but I can't really
01:56:42.020
So it's interesting because I was thinking just, like, on your takes on body count.
01:56:49.120
So because we're kind of conditioned for the whole body count thing to matter, I believe,
01:56:56.320
like, with men, it doesn't bother me that they've had their experiences because that way,
01:57:01.640
because I'm always looking for partnership, I know they've been through enough people to
01:57:06.580
But that being said, for me, hygiene and no STDs is 100% important.
01:57:13.660
So I have to make sure I know the person well and know that they don't have anything because
01:57:19.840
some people are really safe, regardless of whether they've had lots of experiences.
01:57:26.420
Just because they've had their high sexual driver adventures doesn't mean they're not safe
01:57:32.340
But, um, so yeah, you can get an STD the first time you have sex.
01:57:36.780
Like, I don't know if you've got, you've seen that movie.
01:57:38.960
Was it like the, what's with Rosario Dawson when she was like, it was like, they're all
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I mean, yeah, you can definitely get an STD the first time you have sex, but it's just
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You're more likely to get the more people you sleep with.
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There's a higher likelihood that you're going to have an STD or get an STD.
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I'm worried more so about my health than anything.
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And if that, that body count means that my health is in jeopardy, then yeah, it matters.
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If it doesn't, then I don't care what you did before.
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Cause otherwise you just bring the past into the present, which is not cool.
01:58:21.500
Um, should it probably not, but like I've had conversations with like women and then
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like, if it's like a high number, you're kind of almost just like, damn, you know, it just
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like, uh, if it's kind of high, kind of like almost let down by it.
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But at this point for myself, I don't even ask because like, you're going to get let
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down and like at some point, they're just going to lie or they might just lie.
01:58:53.020
So do you guys object, do you guys object to a guy having that as a preference?
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Cause you, you guys think body count should matter, but would you object or take issue
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with a guy saying, Hey, to me, body count matters really quick?
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I'll be like, what does like, you know, I'll probably say yes, but yes.
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Like you can care if you want to, but like, but do you think it's wrong for him to care
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It's not wrong, but like, I wouldn't like if somebody cares that much about me, you know?
01:59:52.180
Like probably like shouldn't, but I would think it's wrong.
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You, you would think it's wrong for the guy to care about body count.
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Like for my body count person, like, are we saying hypothetically, like it's in the
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Let's say he's not even necessarily caring about your body.
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I think I would say, yeah, I think that too many guys care and they need to stop caring
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because just like girls, we've learned to stop caring and we've learned to not ask those
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Like why even worry about it when you can just be.
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Would you not date a guy if that was one of his preferences?
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I think that if that's something that really determines whether you like me or not, then
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So red flag for you if the guy cares about body count.
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Like I said before, when you asked the question, I don't remember because it didn't matter to
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me and I've been in monogamous relationships for a long ass time.
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I really don't know if it really bothers him, you know, maybe we're not meant to, with, to
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be with each other, but I mean, if that's going to impede on the connection and everything
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else involved, then yeah, I mean, that's, that's pretty narrow minded if you ask me.
02:01:43.140
Um, so do any of you have like a really innocent friend, a female friend?
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Maybe she's really a bit naive, has very little dating experience, might even be a virgin.
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Um, if she told you that she wanted to date someone like her, she didn't want to date a
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No, I'd be, I think that whoever she wants to date and her standards are, that's what she
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And I'm always there to elevate that and tell her what I think she deserves, you know,
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cause she's my friend and I don't want her in like some relationship that's treating
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But I believe if she wants someone that's like her, then she should go and try to find
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So she doesn't want to date a guy who's a player.
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Would you take issue with a girl who she's a bit more innocent?
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She does not want to get with a player cause she wants a longterm relationship.
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She tells you that she's very naive, innocent, a bit shy, introverted.
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Do you take issue with her not wanting to date a player?
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I mean, I feel like it's kind of the similar answer.
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Obviously I wouldn't have an issue with it, but I would probably suggest to her, like
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maybe be a little more open-minded because I don't think that because he had a higher
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body count that necessarily always makes him a player.
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Like a lot of players have higher body counts, but maybe he's a really good guy and just had
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And so her closing that off is kind of the same as men closing off women with higher
02:03:28.060
So like if I were to say no to that, I feel like I would be contradicting myself a little.
02:03:32.480
So I feel like it should, I would suggest to be a little more open-minded at least, but
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If you want somebody more like you, find someone more like you, you know?
02:03:45.580
So is it about body count still or is it about like he's a player as a human being?
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Well, I mean, someone who's a player, that's essentially a guy who's sleeps with a lot of
02:03:57.840
I was thinking it as like someone that like plays with your emotions.
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I mean, a woman that sleeps with a lot of men who's promiscuous.
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I feel like it depends on our definition of the term player.
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If you're being honest about what you are and what your intentions are, you are not a player.
02:04:21.200
You're a player when you're trying to have sex with whoever you want and saying whatever
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If you're like, hey, I just want to have sex with you, totally respect it.
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I mean, my sense of player doesn't necessarily mean that you're like manipulating the woman,
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but I guess that for some people, they could take it that way.
02:04:45.480
Okay, so just the same scenario, you have a really innocent friend, but she doesn't want
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to, she's very innocent, doesn't have a lot of dating experience.
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She doesn't want to date a guy with a really high body count because she, her impression
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is, is that he just doesn't want anything serious.
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I would say that she needs to like really get to know the person because like that might
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And I think that she should just like take it like one day at a time and actually give
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it a chance probably because people change, like people don't stay players forever.
02:05:23.540
I shouldn't have used the word player, but what I was basically trying to get at is a
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couple of you said, I would take issue with a guy caring about body count, but I just painted
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a scenario for you where a girl, she says, Hey, you know, I've, I'm don't want to date
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Cause that kind of threw off my, I have an answer.
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There's a difference between premiscuity and manipulating someone to do what you want
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I mean, my sense of player like doesn't anyways, I should have used a more precise example, but
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I have a, no, I have a real life, uh, that situation you just said, it's my friend.
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She's, she just went to college and she was a, she still is and was a virgin.
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And that's just cause she was an innocent girl.
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Like she was, she was like a little batty, but she was like innocent.
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And she actually wanted to lose her virginity before she left to my friend.
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And, uh, and she tried to like get with him, but like, that didn't work out.
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Like he was going to take her virginity, but he couldn't get like hard.
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Can we get a, can we get some skulls, some skulls in the chat, some RIPs in the chat for,
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Oh, and now she's in like college and like a bunch of like.
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I'm going to pick her up at 10 at their report.
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Uh, we're going to watch a video because I, I want to wrap up on the double standards thing.
02:08:01.520
Eric, if you can go ahead and pull up the Jim Jefferies video, good sir.
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Um, so scroll down in the sources, Jim Jefferies.
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Every single time a man sleeps with a lot of women, he's called a stud.
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But if a woman sleeps with a lot of men, she's called a slut.
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To be a stud, you have to be witty, charming, well-dressed, have nice shoes and a fake job.
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Maybe in their own realm, but none that have crossed over to our world.
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That's from one of his old stand-up specials from, like, 2009.
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That sort of addresses the double standard in terms of men being viewed as studs, women being viewed as sluts.
02:10:21.540
I mean, I get what he was saying, and just the whole situation of it being easier for girls to go out and fuck guys,
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and guys not having the same accuracy in that way, and it being harder for them to go fuck a bunch of girls.
02:10:36.920
So that, his explanation, and I don't know if we really got into this, but that's why the double standard is justified.
02:10:51.540
I still don't think that it's justified, because there are a lot of other factors that go into it, but I do understand the point of view.
02:10:58.340
Actually, just on that topic, Eric, can you pull up another infographic?
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And then, oh, you're going to put the, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got it.
02:11:20.760
Can you control, zoom in on that a little bit, a little less?
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So this is from OKCupid, which is a dating app.
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Number of messages received versus recipients' attractiveness.
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So what we have here, the light blue is male, the dark blue is female.
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And at the bottom there, least attractive to medium to most attractive.
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So this kind of goes back to it being harder for men.
02:11:54.940
And the point you were making before, and the reason I brought this up, is because you were saying how, well, really good-looking men will do really well, whereas like an average-looking woman, she's going to struggle.
02:12:07.440
When it comes to getting laid, to getting sex, but this is the comparison.
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So the most attractive man on this app is getting about the same messages as like an average-ish woman.
02:12:30.480
Yeah, the point I was making before is there are women that still fall under the standard of being a slut, even if they're not like the most attractive person, or they fall under the category of being less attractive than like the medium.
02:12:49.340
But then, so an average-looking woman can still very easily get laid.
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I feel like it's not so much the point of whether or not they can do it, but the like respect or the idea behind it.
02:13:03.320
Because like an average woman that's sleeping with a lot of men, if she's not prettier to like those standards, she's just going to be a slut.
02:13:11.780
And it's not even in a good way, just a slut, you know?
02:13:15.180
But whereas a man, like regardless of what he really looks like or his personality, all of that stuff, if he's getting a lot of women, he's still going to get that respect.
02:13:30.320
I'm not sure what I have to say about it, honestly.
02:13:34.280
Okay, we're going to do some chats really quick.
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Tyler Durden is asking for a fit check on the ladies.
02:13:51.600
No, but like, I don't want to be the only one, you know.
02:14:40.360
Yo, Mike Davis, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
02:14:42.520
That conversation between Brian and Blonde sounds like something that will go down in a special needs facility.
02:14:56.980
I mean, if I need help, I will pleasurably take some.
02:15:19.760
Do you have anything to say back to Mr. Mike Davis?
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He says that he has not slept with prostitutes.
02:15:34.260
Everyday Edgar girls change before you end up 37 and single.
02:15:53.540
Bootleg AOC and Elijah were made for each other.
02:16:24.620
I was pretty bummed out when you dipped, but hopefully you're back, man.
02:16:35.700
Been plagued by the short guy BS my whole life.
02:16:38.600
And makes you realize how ape-like us humans are.
02:16:43.420
I'm 5'6", but also a multimillionaire at age 30.
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I'll put that 6'2 man to work picking cucumbers out of my backyard.
02:16:59.860
And I don't feel bad about it because men are, look at all, I'm looking at the commentary.
02:17:09.540
So, if I want to say, hey, I like tall men, I'm allowed to.
02:17:16.740
But, hey, Steven Krug, thank you for the big $100 super chat, man.
02:17:27.260
But, yeah, it's tough out there for shorter guys.
02:17:34.680
But you make, it sounds like you're making up for it in a lot of other ways.
02:17:44.620
So, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, you're a catch.
02:17:56.780
And, yeah, it is an evolutionary thing, I think, for a lot of women to prefer men that are taller.
02:18:06.340
Like, but ultimately, Steven, the fact of the matter is, your height has absolutely no bearing on who you are as a partner to a woman.
02:18:15.500
So, you know, I think there's certainly a superficial aspect to it.
02:18:20.240
But, you know, men, we certainly have our own superficialities.
02:19:05.660
Walker with the, Walker Levin with the $9 British, or sorry, nine British pounds.
02:19:15.480
Can we get some skulls and a RIP in the chat for the queen?
02:19:26.900
Hopefully, Libby Schaaf joins the queen upstairs.
02:19:39.840
You're donating in British pounds, but you're shouting out Oakland.
02:20:05.820
I don't know if I really want to get too much into race.
02:20:12.920
Who do you think is more willing to date outside of their race, men or women?
02:20:18.780
I feel like there's not a definite answer on that for me personally.
02:20:26.200
Women are more willing to date outside of their race.
02:20:33.720
Women are more willing to date outside of their race.
02:20:45.180
So who's more willing to date outside of their race, men or women?
02:21:18.720
Yeah, well, I mean, obviously, you guys already answered it, so of course you disagree.
02:21:22.280
The one thing I would point to is this, is that a lot of women won't date Asian and Indian men.
02:21:31.160
Like, you ask a lot of women, and they'll say, I don't find Asian and Indian men attractive.
02:21:48.840
Multiple Asian, uh, Asian male friends, and some Indian male friends, and they've told
02:21:55.740
me, yeah, like, a lot of women, like, white women, Asian women, don't want to date, like,
02:22:03.520
I feel like maybe they're looking in the wrong places, because I think that there are women
02:22:09.500
So they just are maybe, you know, not passing the right ones.
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They're like, bro, I can't, like, they just don't go for me.
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And don't, I mean, there's definitely for sure, I'm speaking in general.
02:22:38.900
There's white women that date Asian men, but I have heard that complaint from a lot of Asian
02:22:47.280
Brian, I took your side with that low-T, maniacal Chris dude, but you got to chill with that
02:23:06.960
Um, I did drop the, uh, World of Warcraft minus 50 dragon DKP points on Eric, though.
02:23:14.700
So, but honestly, that was my fuck up, I think, ish.
02:23:33.800
Do you guys play World of Warcraft while we're at it?
02:23:41.400
Every time you say it right, you second-guess yourself, and then you try it.
02:24:10.060
Do I look like someone that would play World of Warcraft?
02:24:25.060
I mean, if you want to answer that, you can go.
02:24:34.520
I can already eyeball mixed girl got a dump truck.
02:24:57.260
Mike Davis is complaining that it wasn't satisfactory.
02:25:01.860
I think Mike can go find a fit check on a different website.
02:25:21.680
Honestly, like, my problem is, is I honestly don't think I'm nearly as articulate or well-spoken
02:25:32.400
But anyways, thank you for the Canadian $3, man.
02:26:04.700
I don't really use it, but I think it is something that guys can bring to the table.
02:26:09.220
Because there's different ways guys can act and ways that they can be interpreted and girls
02:26:15.260
And I feel like if you want to bring, like, your masculinity and you want to bring that
02:26:19.640
to a feminine, then you could bring some big dick energy.
02:26:22.880
You don't have to have a big dick, but you can have the energy of someone that is that
02:26:27.180
Like, they can get shit done and they know their worth and they'll present that to you
02:26:39.920
Um, I think it's just another term to, like, to, like, show that a man is, like, exuding
02:26:50.360
And so the inverse of big dick energy is small dick energy.
02:27:04.780
I don't use, like, you know, I'm from Brazil, so I don't use, like, this terms.
02:27:20.140
For our Portuguese listeners or Brazilian listeners.
02:27:29.080
So, thoughts on the term big dick energy, small dick energy?
02:27:39.280
That just, like, I feel like that's just a way of saying, like, he's a cool guy.
02:27:55.020
But if I were to use it, I would think of it more as, like, a megalomaniac thing.
02:27:59.720
So, I'd be like, oh, look at that, Mr. Big Dick.
02:28:35.700
So, how can you simultaneously say that you're for body positivity, but then also use these
02:28:52.180
It's more of a descriptive word of who they are as a person.
02:29:00.440
So, frankly, I don't care about the terms big dick energy or small dick energy, but what
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I would say, the reverse, y'all would lose your shit.
02:29:09.000
If we were talking about loose pussy energy, cavernous vag energy, small tits energy, fat
02:29:18.380
girl energy, like, y'all would lose your minds if guys were using these terms the same
02:29:22.640
way that women use big dick energy, small dick, oh, you must have a small dick.
02:29:26.920
I mean, I feel like guys have their own terms that they use, and they just talk shit about
02:29:33.600
If a guy publicly calls a woman a slut or a whore, he's in major fucking trouble.
02:29:44.460
If women just willy-nilly that you can throw around big dick, small dick energy, blah,
02:30:08.080
Big dick energy might actually fucking slide in the workplace.
02:30:22.580
Yeah, well, sluts certainly wouldn't slide in the workplace either.
02:30:31.380
The corporate environment, that's a totally different thing.
02:30:33.480
But, okay, your thoughts on loose pussy energy?
02:30:41.140
I mean, like, I could get, like, why guys would say it.
02:30:46.600
But I still think that, like, it shouldn't be said.
02:30:53.980
Yeah, but maybe neither of them should be said.
02:31:00.980
I didn't even realize, like, that those terms were wrong until you painted it that way.
02:31:07.760
So, like, honestly, yeah, if somebody was throwing around loose pussy energy, it would be fine.
02:31:14.080
But, yeah, I don't, I wouldn't doubt that that's not been used before.
02:31:17.420
Like, guys probably do throw that around somewhere.
02:31:19.620
And, like, maybe one day it'll become more common.
02:31:22.460
Like, thinking about it, I had never even realized, like, that is a body positivity type relation there.
02:31:32.660
So, me personally, like, I don't care about the term so much.
02:31:36.400
But I just, I would want there to be a consistency across the board.
02:31:39.520
Because people are, there's, like, this very politically correct culture out there.
02:31:44.200
If you say anything offensive, they're going to cancel you.
02:31:46.680
So, either all of it is cool or none of it is cool.
02:31:50.960
So, I don't get, like, there's a lot of this talk about body positivity and, oh, it's wrong to body shame.
02:31:56.160
And in the same breath, they'll talk about big dick energy, small dick energy.
02:31:59.500
So, but when it comes to big dick energy, like, often when, so, it's often used, like, when complimenting good, strong men or men you agree with.
02:32:10.780
Whereas, like, if you're insulting weak men or someone you disagree with, or, like, you heard this all the time with probably being thrown, probably the number one recipient of small dick energy, Mr. Donald Trump.
02:32:24.400
Actually, probably the number one recipient of both big dick energy and small dick energy, depending on which side you're on.
02:32:36.940
And, like, what about guys who are average in the bulge or have small peens?
02:32:41.800
They're going to say, oh, I'm not adequate because I'm not packing.
02:32:46.940
And someone's penis size has no bearing on his quality or character as a man or who he is.
02:32:58.200
I mean, the thing is, is that penis size is randomly distributed.
02:33:03.980
So, some excellent men, fantastic, great men, have small penises.
02:33:15.860
So, man's quality is not correlated to his genitalia.
02:33:30.800
I've been all over the board, throwing darts, random places.
02:33:40.260
I've been, I've had my share with different people.
02:33:48.460
I don't specifically have a type, but I do have certain things that attract me to somebody.
02:33:54.080
One main thing is, like, someone that not everybody knows everything about them.
02:34:01.760
Like, they're somewhat secretive because I like knowing that I get to, like, unfold all their layers, basically.
02:34:09.900
And also someone, I was talking to Cheyenne about this, that's, like, a little in touch with their femininity and that isn't afraid to do feminine things.
02:34:19.500
Is your current quasi-semi sort of boyfriend, is he in touch with his femininity?
02:34:28.100
That's what attracts me the most about him is that he's, like, he's not afraid of, like, doing things or saying things that people might think, like, take as, like, feminine in any way.
02:34:54.260
Yeah, like, he wouldn't be afraid to do that or, like, wear certain things, like, wear certain clothes that, like, might be considered more feminine.
02:35:13.680
It wouldn't be a problem if your boyfriend wore a dress.
02:35:23.740
If it looked good and he, like, put together an outfit and there was an artistic.
02:35:28.220
If there was an artistic meaning behind it and it, like, went, it was pulled together in some way, it might attract me.
02:35:34.060
Would you be unattractive to a girl if she just put on, like, a suit?
02:35:40.840
I like to dress super feminine or super masculine.
02:35:50.900
I, like, wear, like, baggy pants and, like, graphic t-shirts or, like, things.
02:35:57.020
Like, I literally go and grab his clothes that people see as, like, masculine and I'll wear them.
02:36:02.020
And it's all about the person that's wearing them.
02:36:41.600
You probably have the wrong group of girls sitting at this table right now to be telling
02:37:00.300
I'm not even going to do much level than human beings.
02:37:01.640
If I saw a normal guy in IV wearing a dress that I didn't know, I probably wouldn't look
02:37:17.980
But, like, if I were already, like, with a guy.
02:37:28.320
Yeah, that's more along the lines of what I'm trying to get at.
02:37:31.680
So, like, realistically, though, if I saw a normal dude in a dress, I wouldn't be like,
02:37:47.680
I mean, not if he was, like, if he was, because I like really masculine men.
02:37:57.220
And I just, I think it's sexy if they feel comfortable with their sexuality, regardless
02:38:04.340
So, it's not that I would go for someone because he's in a dress.
02:38:07.560
It's just the way that he carries himself, period.
02:38:10.880
I really don't give a shit what he's wearing, honestly.
02:38:20.240
If I see, like, a guy wearing a dress, I wouldn't be like, well, like, well, he caught my attention.
02:38:27.220
But if, like, I knew the person and, like, we're close or, like, I don't know, he wants
02:38:35.440
I just feel like it's hard to find someone like that.
02:38:37.860
But if he wants to go around using a dress, yeah.
02:38:41.020
But, like, the first impression, like, I don't know.
02:38:45.860
I don't think I would be, like, attracted to that, you know?
02:39:15.600
The guy that's wearing the dress is going to get a lot more women than the guy that's
02:39:24.980
We just care about the fact that he can express it like that.
02:39:33.140
It's the fact that he's not thinking, oh, my God.
02:39:43.020
So, like, when people ask me that, like, I would say something, but I would be, like,
02:39:49.240
But, like, I don't think I actually have a type, to be honest.
02:39:52.300
Like, there are some people that are like, whoa, he's pretty.
02:40:07.820
If you have pretty smile, like, cool eyes, yeah, that's awesome.
02:40:18.680
And then aside from that, I tend to go for, like, tall guys as well.
02:40:28.880
Probably, I mean, my last boyfriend was 5'9", but I think if I'm, like, searching, if I, like, if I'm putting my type on paper, I would like them to be taller, like, six foot up, you know?
02:40:42.800
That's not a breaking, that's not a, like, breaking point for me.
02:41:02.500
We have very smart people in the chat that will convert for us.
02:41:06.580
I would just say, I would just say, uh, feet is fine.
02:41:18.060
Um, I think the eyes thing is really important.
02:41:29.780
And then just, just the way that they are, I really love calmness.
02:42:16.180
Because I gotta, I want to hit every single point.
02:42:19.080
In case she's watching, in case she's watching, in case she's watching.
02:42:23.900
Uh, so I mean, I've, I like and have dated women of all races, but it happens to be the
02:42:36.400
Japanese, um, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, Filipino, Vietnamese.
02:42:48.220
Uh, I definitely, I definitely would say I prefer, like, petite, short women.
02:42:53.300
If her height doesn't start with four, she ain't the one.
02:42:59.840
But actually, I'll date women up to, like, five, two.
02:43:08.700
I mean, women aren't shy about their high preferences, so.
02:43:11.180
I have a high preference, but it's not like, I'll date, I'll date a tall woman.
02:43:21.900
If she's a dwarf, no, but, like, four, four, eleven, four, ten, I'm, I fuck with it.
02:43:49.320
That's my nonprofit organization, the American Network Against Labia Plasty, or anal for short.
02:44:07.300
No, I genuinely, I know I'm, like, being, we're having fun, we're joking around a bit,
02:44:20.020
I mean, it's just, most of us have never heard a man state that.
02:44:26.160
I like women with, women have penis preferences.
02:44:33.620
And by the way, I do want to say, like, I know we're having fun.
02:44:46.540
Like, if a woman has a large labia, they get shamed.
02:45:00.140
And that's why I started my nonprofit organization.
02:45:10.500
Women get so, so badly shamed if they have a large labia that they elect to have a surgery to, it's called a labia place.
02:45:19.260
There's 10,000 of them a year in the United States.
02:45:22.360
And I'm fighting back against the misogynist, I don't know, whatever.
02:45:33.740
No, but, yeah, so I'm a champion of women, if you guys can't tell.
02:45:42.520
And men shouldn't be shamed for their penis, too, right?
02:45:46.260
But, okay, so large labia, Audi's the bigger the better.
02:45:58.040
I mean, I suppose it is, I mean, as far as the technical term of what a fetish is.
02:46:04.240
It just sounds like you're really passionate about it and, like, you really care for those women.
02:46:19.160
So, guys, how dare you in the chat use these terms.
02:46:25.800
Okay, so minimal or no makeup, no plastic surgery, like, not a fan of plastic surgery, personality-wise.
02:46:41.800
By the way, I want you guys to come in if you object to any of these.
02:46:48.520
I mean, you might be like, Brian, that's kind of weird, like, with the large labia thing.
02:46:51.520
I mean, that was a little weird, but we're going to like fine.
02:47:03.700
Well, no, but do you guys have a preference for – like, obviously, size matters to some degree.
02:47:09.640
We haven't talked about that, but you can finish up first.
02:47:15.580
I like women who have a calming presence, so mellow, speak softly.
02:47:22.760
I think I'm fairly soft-spoken, so I want a bit of reciprocity there.
02:47:27.780
I want someone who brings me peace, isn't going to nag, quarrel, or otherwise bring me a headache.
02:47:41.960
Like, typically, I prefer more introverted women.
02:47:53.740
Women who don't party and don't go to bars and clubs.
02:47:55.660
I won't commit to a woman that's partying or going to bars and clubs.
02:48:01.640
I want you guys to come in on that one, though.
02:48:03.400
What do you think about – if a guy had a preference, he's like, hey, I don't want a girl who goes to bars and clubs.
02:48:16.080
Well, I just think that it depends on, again, like, what your line of work is, right?
02:48:21.260
Like, if you're going to be dating someone that's a bartender, they're going to be in nightclubs all the time.
02:48:25.160
So you wouldn't date, like, people who work in the industry then because they have to go for their job.
02:48:31.100
So the thing is there's either the trust or there's not in that respect.
02:48:35.660
I would date people that are – because my line – what I want to do, it's like, of course, everybody's out.
02:48:43.920
Me as a personal preference, I don't really care just as long as they're loyal.
02:48:55.160
I think that's, like, such a personal preference type thing because, like, actually, I don't know.
02:49:03.920
I feel like a majority of guys would want a girl that's not out at the bars and clubs and stuff.
02:49:08.180
But a lot of girls want to be out at the bars and clubs.
02:49:11.540
And I don't think that it should be a bad thing if a girl does want to go out and have that kind of fun.
02:49:18.340
Because I did, like, see how you guys talked about that a little bit on your last episode and how it's, like, got such a bad idea behind it.
02:49:26.200
And that whole, like, scenario that you painted out, it kind of did, like, put things in perspective.
02:49:31.880
Like, how threatening that is for men to know that their, like, pretty girlfriend is out and getting all of these invitations and, like, way more than the normal guy would.
02:49:42.400
But I would still want to know that my partner trusts me and knows that I'm not going to be doing that behind their back if we are together.
02:49:49.460
So, like – or I would want him there with me.
02:50:04.940
I'm just, like – I feel like if you're with me and you like me, you just need to, like, agree with, like, who I am.
02:50:11.840
And if I like to go party, then – and if you don't like that, well, like, there's nothing I can do.
02:50:22.220
And you're like, hey, I want to be in a relationship with you.
02:50:25.140
And he says, we can be monogamous, but if we're going to be in a relationship, I don't want you to go to bars and clubs anymore.
02:50:36.540
Would you say yes or, sorry, I'm going to do my own thing?
02:50:47.160
And I would be like, why you don't want me to go there?
02:50:52.420
And, like, I can – we can just talk and, like, if you don't trust me, like, why are we dating?
02:50:58.620
We want to start dating if you don't even trust me right now, you know?
02:51:02.740
But I'll probably be like, like, I want to go have fun with my friends.
02:51:13.320
If I like to go out, then you should come with me.
02:51:25.080
And in my last relationship, like, before my current one, the boyfriend that I had was, like, a partier.
02:51:31.600
And it caused a lot of problems, not because I didn't trust him, but because he made me lose trust in him.
02:51:39.100
And so in my next relationship, it was very important to me that I was with somebody who shared the same ideals as me.
02:51:50.120
So that was just a standard I set for myself, I guess.
02:51:53.640
But I feel like if you're in a relationship with someone, trust them until you're given a reason not to.
02:52:01.600
And if they don't want to, if they don't want to, like, respect that, then they're not the person for you.
02:52:12.100
Kind of going off what she said, I feel like to be in a relationship, you have to have similar ideals and morals.
02:52:17.440
And if you don't align on that same page, and you don't want to compromise for each other in some way,
02:52:23.700
and understand each other and respect each other in some way, then you just shouldn't be together.
02:52:28.280
And so you brought up my dream world hypothetical scenario.
02:52:32.160
I could pose that to the rest of the panel here.
02:52:36.980
If you guys are interested in sort of getting a sense of why me personally, I would have an issue with it,
02:52:44.100
and why I think a lot of men would or should have an issue with it, if you're interested in hearing that out.
02:52:50.120
But just before I do that, I just want to wrap up kind of my thing.
02:52:53.200
And obviously, just for what I'm looking for, my type of women who value family, that's super important to me.
02:53:03.040
So just my parents are pretty much the most important thing to me.
02:53:06.400
So just women who value family, women who value men.
02:53:30.160
I mean, to a certain degree, because, like, I believe that everyone has certain aspects about themselves that they could categorize themselves as.
02:53:37.340
But I do believe that there is some truth in the stars in the universe.
02:53:48.960
So you, okay, believe in astrology, believe in astrology.
02:53:51.200
I don't know if, like, believe is the right word, but I feel like it's cool, like, learn about it.
02:54:01.260
But I think there's a lot of, like, things in common.
02:54:16.580
But, like, the fact that we have to admit our beliefs about astrology on this podcast right now is not fair.
02:54:25.580
And it's, like, us girls just want to judge guys based off of that.
02:54:37.020
Honestly, I don't know enough about it to believe in it.
02:54:59.560
Okay, so I don't know if I want to go into the bar club thing.
02:55:05.300
We're going to wrap up here pretty soon, guys, by the way.
02:55:19.240
Okay, so has a guy with a blue checkmark ever slid into your DMs?
02:55:32.720
Yeah, but, like, most of them are just, like, fake.
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I hope someone understands what I'm talking about now.
02:56:11.040
good answer of course yeah totally totally yeah totally agree um no yeah going off of what she
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just said i agree with that um yeah that was funny not gonna lie what was the question
02:56:26.120
has a guy with a blue check mark ever slid into your dms yes
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more than once has there been multiple blue check marks in the dms i would say at least
02:56:38.600
two that i can think of did you maybe more hook up did you meet up with them
02:56:43.660
one of them yes did you guys date no okay was he a athlete musician athlete nfl no nba no not big
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lacrosse um d1 lacrosse basketball oh basketball okay christina any blue check marks in the dms
02:57:07.360
uh yeah but no one i'm interested i was interested in i guess okay oh here's a good one
02:57:17.620
have you ever been flown out by a guy or offered to be flown out by a guy
02:57:22.760
no i don't believe so you you don't believe so i'm trying to like remember but you were on
02:57:31.480
seeking arrangements oh oh well yeah then yeah that counts yeah sure yeah my relationship
02:57:39.180
because yeah okay i meant more so like a guy that there was no real prior my portuguese barrier is
02:57:46.880
not helping me right now um what is that has a guy ever offered to fly you maybe you match he's in
02:57:53.740
la maybe he's in miami oh fly me he offered to fly you yes oh no i guess train you could do but if you
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want to like i said it like please not please but she wants to go to miami guys if there's any of you
02:58:07.480
guys in miami yeah she will fly so we can go together can we like can i buy for you buy for me
02:58:13.240
yeah um i've gotten offers but way too scared to go to another state i've never been on a plane
02:58:20.740
actually really that's kind of hot so maybe one day okay christina so the question is if i've been
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asked to what sorry to be flown out yeah i have plenty of times i just never did it because there's
02:58:38.100
always expectations okay yeah good times good times sorry i forgot for a second yo i've been
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working since five in the morning give me a break all right yeah grandma's tie red
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uh so i want to i want to leave it up to the chat here what we're going to do for a final thing
02:59:00.180
chat we can either react to an andrew tate video oh because i'm sure they'd love to watch that
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or i can give them the dream world way yet the dream world scenario as to why uh
02:59:18.760
men don't like women going don't like their girlfriend it is to work going to bars and clubs
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tate tate okay it's looking like a lot of tate tate is more interested more uh interesting
02:59:36.340
they did hear it the last episode yeah okay uh eric we're gonna pull up a little tate clip to
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uh yeah you can hide that and then uh why don't we do too submissive
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so you stay watching his videos and also too i worry if i'm too submissive will he not respect me
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no no no no no get rid of that get rid of that get rid of that won't respect me crap that's not
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real is that real you know what so many women say to me you're so andrew you know what you're so rich
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but you're smart and you're actually very intelligent and i know you'd get really bored of
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like a robot and i'm sitting there thinking bitch i wish to god you were a robot
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shut the fuck up we talk about star signs oh yeah i'm so glad tell me more about by sagittarius
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rising you're idiots i don't give a fuck give me a robot all men want robots that's all we want
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four wives robots inshallah put the put the put the berg on yep what are you talking about we don't
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care two coffees that's it it's nice and easy there's no such thing as two submissive
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there's no such thing i'm never gonna look at a beautiful woman who does everything i say and go
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you know what you do too much of what i say i want to go get some disagreeable bitch yes that's awesome
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okay uh your reaction to that video eliza that video i mean that video and specifically like i don't
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really have that much of a reaction he said what he said he feels what he says and i agree with him
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in the sense that of course why would i not want something more of what i want if i want let's say
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i'm him i want a girl to be super submissive why would i like that's what you're looking for that's
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what he's looking for that's what he can go for i'm i go for what i want for you know oh yeah and
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the stars are true that was a pretty based answer though you're you're a legend okay uh go ahead
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i really don't like that he pushes his ideals as their facts and like he insults people in the
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process i can't respect anything that comes out of his mouth because he does that and also what
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accent does he have i heard like so many random like accents in there he's uh he was born in the
03:02:02.740
u.s and then he moved to the uk so it's his accent has been colored by his uh many travels i guess
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you could say that happens to me too because of that it's a thing you start to like mimic other
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people's accents you don't even have an accent anymore but then like if you hang out with a
03:02:20.860
certain amount of people that with the same accent then you catch it it's weird your reaction to the
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video i mean he can say whatever he wants like like he thinks whatever he thinks there's nothing
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like we can do but i wouldn't do that like i wouldn't like what oh sorry go ahead no i just
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if i need to say something i would do in a like better way because i i thought it was really
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how to say it to the point yeah kind of aggressive yeah like calm down yeah
03:02:49.900
cheyenne i uh i can't with him like it just is so stupid to me that he can talk about women
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so objectifyingly and like it's i don't know it just makes me feel like wow i really have no hope
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because there's so many people that follow him too and think like yeah this guy this guy's onto something
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and so it's it's a little depressing but i don't know just let us have astrology please you guys
03:03:20.000
have cars and shoes and like everything else can we please just have astrology just give them
03:03:25.860
astrology guys come on let them have astrology uh christina your reaction to the video i just thought
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it was funny that he said he just wants a robot it's just such a classic dude thing to say i yeah he's
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funny though whatever it's probably for the shock value oh that's that's a fairly good assessment of
03:03:45.520
the situation josh your reaction to the video so what was the thing about the robot he wanted
03:03:50.920
he was like i think something in the video they were saying well tate you know andrew you're such an
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interesting guy wouldn't don't you want you know a woman that that will challenge you and he was
03:04:03.840
like fuck no give me a robot or no she was asking can women be too submissive because she was saying i
03:04:13.280
worry that if i'm too submissive then my partner will either take advantage of me or won't take me
03:04:19.800
serious and he was like no no no get rid of that the more submissive the better is what he's saying
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um i don't think i don't i don't think like the submissive part matters right like that means like
03:04:37.880
that means like she's like kind of innocent right
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she does what you say what you would like her she lets you lead yeah yeah okay oh so i guess some
03:04:49.680
of that's fine but i mean that's not something really i think about but the thing i did want to
03:04:54.900
get to was the astrology thing uh so i think it's cap because like i everywhere like i i see the
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i see like the same shit i'm like on every like i get that because it's like like a taurus you're
03:05:13.580
like whatever blah blah i don't know like all the things about it like i'm at all but it's like you're
03:05:17.400
this and this and this but then like maybe this other sign is also this and this this and so i think
03:05:21.740
there's a lot of like gray area but i think that in the past like before science was a thing that's
03:05:27.500
what people use to like describe the world okay yeah because nowadays when i see it's like a taurus
03:05:32.040
likes black and the capricorn likes black yeah the aquarius likes black like it's not it just sounds
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like the same yeah there's a lot of overlapping this is my take on astrology you see how far the
03:05:43.880
termites have spread and how long and well they've dined christopher hitchens okay um related to the
03:05:53.840
tape video um actually eric can you just hide that really quick the super chat um we'll get to the
03:06:00.700
super chats here really soon we're going to wrap up very soon we're going to do final thoughts we're
03:06:04.700
going to do super chats and then we'll wrap up um get your last super chats in really quick if you
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want to uh going back to tate would you date andrew tate christina you start who is andrew tate
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i'm bad with names i'm bad with names show me he was the one just in the videos the guy in the video
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oh okay uh i don't know i'd have to get to know him your public face is way different than your
03:06:31.500
private face dude like come on respectfully no you're not you're not feeling the tate train
03:06:38.780
not my type the top g not for me he's rich he's tall don't care okay would you date andrew tate
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let me think no okay did not take much thought on that yeah disrespectfully no disrespectfully no
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he should get a dog and a maid yeah and he'll be happy okay i think i have better options out there
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so i'm gonna go with no okay even though you know he's got a lot going for him
03:07:08.540
i got i can go in a different direction yeah what's the woman version of andrew tate do we know
03:07:15.680
i don't think there is one um like the woman version lena dunham maybe what about amy schumer
03:07:22.500
is that her name amy schumer what is the female version of andrew tate is on another level yeah
03:07:30.120
tate's taking over the world he's on another level like anyways um you know what because we talked a
03:07:36.020
bit about body count and i feel like you know what i did not adequately articulate why men care about
03:07:42.560
body count why don't we do this we'll just have to watch one more andrew tape video because he
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explains it much better than me we'll do an andrew tate video we'll open up to you guys for the
03:07:53.020
final thought or question eric can you go ahead and uh pull up the body count video by mr andrew tate
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you know what's so attractive about younger women because we a lot of these dudes talk about fertility
03:08:10.060
and yeah looks and stuff i don't actually think it's that i think that in the modern world
03:08:14.600
and in the days of old right you'd meet a woman you get married you'd be together whatever
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in the modern world if i meet a girl who's 33 and single i know the amount of dick that's been
03:08:22.620
through her before me is just simply unattractive i don't care how nice you are yeah but you're 33
03:08:27.580
years old how many men have fun if i get a 19 year old girl i might be her second or third man right
03:08:31.900
i'm gonna be dude number fucking 29 and all the trauma and heartbreak and bullshit they put you
03:08:37.220
through you're gonna try and bring to my door like well my last man cheat i'll give a fuck yeah like i
03:08:42.480
don't care like why is that my problem so if you pick up older women you have to accept they've been on
03:08:46.960
the carousel longer they've had more fucking rides more spins i don't want that shit when i see a
03:08:52.700
beautiful young woman i know that she has a very low body count and that and and also no but no but
03:08:57.000
the truth is women's mentality is absolutely connected to sex if a woman sleeps with a bunch
03:09:02.560
of men it's harder to penetrate her mind and make her fall in love with you and it's unattractive too
03:09:06.220
and it's unattractive but if she's like if she's had 30 dudes inside of her she really gonna think
03:09:10.660
you know what this guy's so so so special or she's gonna think you know what he talked to me
03:09:13.540
where else go get a new guy whereas if a woman's only been with a few guys she's much more likely
03:09:16.520
to fall in love with you be a better partner the likelihood of her falling completely in love with
03:09:20.180
you and staying loyal to you and and really believing you're the only man for her after
03:09:23.980
being through so much trauma and so many men and sleeping with so many dudes and having her heart
03:09:27.680
broken and having those memories of her ex and all that crap she's been through is far less likely
03:09:32.060
than meeting a nice young beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men and she goes you know what
03:09:35.120
this is the guy i like him every woman who knows this and every man who watches can be honest women
03:09:39.200
fall in love with the person they lose their virginity to or the second or third guy they really remember
03:09:42.380
them they really love them that any woman who slept with 50 dudes she doesn't even remember
03:09:45.120
who most of them are she doesn't care if a woman slept with a bunch of men before you she's less
03:09:48.280
likely to stick it out through a difficult period of relationship she's more likely to just say you
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know what new answers new date it's a pretty good answer and that's the truth let me make something
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clear if i meet a beautiful 30 year old woman i'm not saying i won't sleep with her that's pretty
03:09:57.960
fucking old yeah 30 i know what are you crazy i there's been times i was drunk i gotta say the first
03:10:05.420
thing because this is so ageist and because i'm not that age i have to say something i think it's
03:10:11.460
ridiculous sorry just real quick that he is saying that because someone's younger that means their
03:10:18.220
body count is lower not the case at all absolutely not the case no no no no not even like i mean
03:10:25.520
close because i've known young chicks that fuck like bunny rabbits and i'm extremely conservative
03:10:33.040
and have not fucked not you're conservative yes i actually am i'm a very i'm very much
03:10:39.840
not but i'm very conservative as well do you mean politically or like not politically just like in
03:10:46.380
terms of like i'm a fucking prude absolutely so and i've talked to so many women that are much
03:10:51.660
younger than me that give me all their stories and i'm just like holy shit dude good for you but
03:10:56.080
like well the exception doesn't make the rule but that's dude like most whatever it's all good
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well i just needed to say that because the reason why i came on this show was because of the ageist
03:11:08.880
bullshit you know and it's it's it's like age is just a fucking number it's how you experience life
03:11:16.300
you can be really healthy at age 37 and be healthier than someone that's 20 vice versa like it doesn't
03:11:24.820
matter the same with like your sexual drive the same with everything else in your life that's why
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i can't stand when people are also like oh you're dumb because you're younger i listen to people that
03:11:35.240
are younger than me and older than me so i just had to say that because people are so narrow-minded
03:11:43.940
when it comes to age and we all oxidate we are all dying every day sure well so i'll just respond to
03:11:50.160
that so i mean you are right in that there are some 19 year old women that are going to have a
03:11:56.080
higher body count than a woman who's in her 30s or mid 30s but that 19 year old woman when she's 30
03:12:03.280
or 35 or 40 is going to have a higher body count then obviously than when she's at 19 if they had the
03:12:10.140
same the same exact life experience like no i'm talking about the same woman like oh okay okay i see
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what you're saying so the same woman at 19 if she has 20 bodies maybe she by the time she's 30 she
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has 40 bodies yeah but maybe she just has really long-term relationships after that you can't judge
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people based on their age dude well i mean you can body you can make some assumptions though i mean
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you can assume like okay what's the average age that people lose their virginity let's say it's 18 or
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19 and honestly it's probably getting lower at this point but let's say the average age someone
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loses their virginity is 18 so sure within a year by the time they're 19 maybe they've racked up 20 30
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bodies but if you look at them at 30 they have another an additional 12 years of being sexually
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active so it could be the case that she's only slept with a few guys but if you've been sexually
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active for that long the likelihood i don't think he's arguing that it's there's no women who are in
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their 30s that are that have a low body count and he probably would agree with you that there's a
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bunch of young women that have slept with a bunch of people i know a girl who's 19 who slept with 100
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guys there you go so i mean i certainly haven't so i i would i guess the one point i would say though
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is that i think with the younger generations they're actually ever since kind of the advent of
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social media and like i mean people have been hooking up for a long time but i would say
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starting around like i think people are really deprioritizing long-term relationships and hookup
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culture is much more prevalent than it used to be it was still a thing but with dating apps i think
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that's really expedited the uh the hookups and casual sex so yeah but i mean as far as the old
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thing like i don't know if we want to talk about age too much but no go i i'm not i just get passionate
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when i speak i don't care well i mean i would say that there's also a there's a few reasons why men
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prefer younger women aside from just body count i mean it's evolutionary biological absolutely baby
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making sure i don't want to be a baby maker never did so i don't have that anxiety i'm with you i
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don't think i want kids either but you know um for a lot of men if they do want to have family if they
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do want to have kids they absolutely have to take into consideration a woman's age if she's 35 or 40
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the likelihood i think we already talked about this but i mean the likelihood of her being able to get
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pregnant the likelihood that she is going to have a miscarriage birth defects etc uh increases over
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age and that by the time most women are 45 they just cannot have children so or it's very rare i
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mean getting to 45 it's so rare so um but i do want to open it up your reaction to the video we just
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watched on body count by mr tate i mean like i do get the point being made i get it but like do you
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guys not think that those thoughts pass through our heads as well like we let it slide way more
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often because like i said earlier i feel like women have been conditioned to believe that's okay for
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men to do but it's not okay for women to do like that's what we're taught from a very young age is
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like if you are sleeping around you're a slut but if for say my brother was sleeping around he's praised
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for it you know and so i think because we've been like kind of conditioned to let that sort of thing go
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when we're looking for partners but men haven't you guys get to hold us to the standard of you need
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to be pure you can't be sleeping around with other men but it's like we don't want a man that's been
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around either we don't want a man that's been with every girl we just settle for that because it's been
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like taught that that's normal in society wait but i thought a little bit earlier on in the
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conversation you said that body count shouldn't matter no yeah i did say that but you just but just now
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you just said that you don't want that either in a guy i was saying hypothetically more so because
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me personally i really don't care but like if i'm speaking as generally for women women should be
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allowed to care about that sort of thing too so it's like i mean i don't think that anyone should
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care that much really at the end of the day but for andrew tate to go on here and say something like
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that like my counter to it i guess is like why can't women feel that same way or like we can but
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why don't we feel that same way i should say sure yeah i don't have a lot to say like i agree with
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her like i feel like women and men sometimes most a lot of times like they they have like they are
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treated differently about like everything almost but yeah i disagree with everything yeah i um the
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conversation in general i totally agree with cheyenne on that um another thing that i've i've seen some
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of this stuff andrew tate says and he he talks about how like it's okay for men to cheat it's okay
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for him to sleep with as many girls as he wants to sleep with like it doesn't matter for men so that's
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where the double standard comes in and that's why i can't respect anything that he says i'm gonna just go
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with fuck who you want and be happy at the end of the day that's my answer yes
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that's the best answer okay uh josh did you want to give a take on it or
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on the whole body count yeah just the tape video um you know what
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the way he he's a little um like forward but like i feel like for every guy just about every guy i feel
03:17:55.760
like they think well they think that andrew tate is speaking facts on just like he just says it like
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super like like aggressive like it's almost like the hard truth like a super hard truth
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okay so final thoughts or question for the panel want to open it up to you guys if you guys have a
03:18:17.020
question for someone else on the panel have a question for me or just a final thought i don't
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think i have any questions i think it's pretty close case for me okay cool cool um what do you
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think about andrew tate in general like what are your opinions outside of being the host of this and
03:18:34.620
creating conversation what do you think so it's a good question uh well first off i don't agree with
03:18:41.420
everything that andrew tate says there are definitely some things i do agree with him on
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uh first i think he he is sort of intentionally being controversial because that got him attention
03:18:54.160
unfortunately well it got him too much attention and then he got canceled and then all his shit got
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deleted by all the social media platforms i think that was unjustified because there's a lot of false
03:19:06.620
narratives going on with him he was certainly had some very controversial takes on certain stuff
03:19:12.060
and he probably slipped a few times when he was talking and definitely said some i don't think
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we should cancel anyone i think i think if you disagree with someone you should be able to
03:19:22.980
uh be able to voice why you disagree with them but i think silencing someone i mean by cutting out
03:19:30.880
someone i think this is a george r r martin quote i mean by silencing somebody you are basically
03:19:38.340
you're not proving them wrong you're just saying that you're scared what they have to say
03:19:43.840
and if if there is something that someone is saying that is wrong the best disinfectant is sunlight
03:19:51.380
so let it be seen and let people other people come in and try to debunk it yeah but as far as uh i think
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he's very funny i think he's a very funny guy i think he's a very smart guy i don't agree with him on
03:20:03.060
everything there are definitely quite a few things i agree with him on but um yeah overall i like tate
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it's unfortunate that he got banned um so yeah okay go ahead no i'm good with questions okay cheyenne
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final thought or question for for one of the girls for the panel for me um what's your zodiac sign
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taurus i'm a taurus no shit so what what does that mean that we're both tauruses
03:20:34.460
could mean whatever you want romantically what does that mean romantically yeah i don't know if
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we would be that compatible what is it it's like horns yeah i'll chime in our horns i'm a taurus i
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dated a taurus i don't recommend it why is that didn't end up well i feel like dating your sign
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always it's yeah we weren't meant to be yeah it's unfortunate yeah it's unfortunate you're too tall
03:20:59.860
for me um i am christina final thought or question for the panel i don't have any questions but i do
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want to say uh you should check me out of original music it's night rain r-e-i-g-n not like rain r-a-i-n
03:21:19.260
but you can look it up on any of your favorite uh streaming platforms and uh yeah i leave you with
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that thought i hope everyone does what they love and continues to do that that's what matters most
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cool cool uh yeah by the way guys all the girls instagrams are in the description show them some
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love they were awesome really great panel i want to thank you guys for coming obviously
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yeah their instagrams are in the description show them some love give them a follow so i'm going to
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do super chats really quick here uh john deke with the five dollar soup chat is the guy sitting next to
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brian hitman from brooklyn hiding out in santa barbara uh john deke ten dollar soup chat josh when are
03:21:54.040
you when you are texting under the table are you texting other josh in the multiverse to check if brian
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likes large labias in that universe too is that what you i think josh didn't have his cell phone
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it was just a he was just fiddling with uh tissue but um i think across all universes it's uh
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a preference okay devon jackson with the ten dollar soup chat why should we be dating if you don't trust
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me in response to brian simply saying he wouldn't want to be in that position in the first place and
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they don't see the irony yep i mean it's just to wrap up on the whole like i wouldn't want to date a
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girl that like goes to bars and clubs and stuff um it would not ever be about me controlling a woman
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like i wouldn't control her you're totally free to do whatever you want just you're free to go to
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the club and i'm free to not be in a relationship with you so that's kind of my take on it and i'm
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not like suit like if a girl has a birthday party but if she's because i don't really drink
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occasionally i'll have a drink like a beer or glass of wine whatever super rare though i don't
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i don't know the last time i drank i think i had a white claw before one of the shows i don't know
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but um like a couple a month ago or something but it's just a similarity thing like i'd want a girl
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that's similar to me in that sense that doesn't drink doesn't go to bars doesn't go to uh bars clubs
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etc so it would never be like oh you can't do that like i'd probably just break up with her like
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devon jackson with the ten dollar super chat she's basically saying i can judge you off the stars but
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you can't judge me off the decisions i make i mean word word i mean i don't know if anyone was judging
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you but yeah yeah hey devon jackson thank you for the super chats man good to see you back by the way
03:23:45.480
devon is that a chart like is that a is that a football emblem or is that for uh
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is that dos pueblos chargers i don't know but uh i don't know if you're a santa barbara galita local
03:23:58.720
but good to see in the chat as always shooter stood shooter shooter with a ten dollar soup chat
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nice job on the podcast brian forget forgot this channel is a thing to be honest but i've tuned into
03:24:12.460
a number of episodes of the cast question constructive criticism for you you seem to
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have very similar talking points on every show how do you envision the podcast evolving without
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the same talking points getting stale i wish you luck ps speaking of type i would marry the girl
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in the red right now thank you i think that's a marriage proposal um i don't get a lot of these you
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know so her dms are open okay oh yeah um so to answer your question i mean it happens to be the
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case then when it comes to dating a lot of the same topics do come up i try to change it up a little bit
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but yeah i mean you're definitely right body count comes up a lot uh age comes up a decent amount um
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yeah i mean it's new to me hosting um i definitely would like to try to cover more bases
03:25:07.200
but uh yeah i'm working on it i'm working on it it's just tough also i a lot of time i don't have
03:25:13.220
as much time to prepare for the show as i'd like to so i've just been super busy so i would like to try
03:25:18.600
to brainstorm a few different ways also i think bringing on a co-host would be helpful but uh maybe
03:25:24.160
chase maybe chase he's feeling a little under the weather this week though so we'll see thank you
03:25:28.700
for the soup chats man much appreciated devon jackson with the 10 dollar soup chat i knew they
03:25:32.800
were going to make this terrible argument if you refer to the younger girls that bang a lot
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what do you think their count is going to be like when they are older okay so i think that was in
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response to what christina was saying about how well there's younger women that have a high body count
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my point is that that changes like not everyone stays the same all the time this is why people have
03:25:53.220
issues in relationships long-term relationships too just because you fucked a lot when you were younger
03:25:58.080
doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna fuck later and sometimes you don't fuck any when you're
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younger and then you go through a bout people go through all kinds of different stages in their
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lives it's very ignorant to base that on age okay devon jackson there's your answer thank you for
03:26:16.500
this super chat man yo brandon what's up salad city rebel ten dollar soup chat this is brandon he's been
03:26:21.400
on a couple shows um best statement by a girl on the show so far that's actually i think in response
03:26:28.280
to you christina so just a number i want her on the show my next appearance brian so bro thank brandon
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is an example of a guy who uh i don't think he really cares about body count too much in a woman so
03:26:39.560
he agrees with you on that one shark with the five dollar soup chat um but uh hold on just just so
03:26:50.440
i'm consistent i gotta sorry guys ten dollars and up um nose ring girl universe told me we're
03:26:57.280
compatible okay oh mike davis with the ten dollar super chat final comment kings don't wear dresses
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you'll get the cops called 99 and repulse kids that larry styles has heavy clout where it's
03:27:11.300
counterculture cool edgy won't work for you yeah i mean he's he's an artist too so i feel like artists
03:27:18.180
get a little slack in terms of uh how they present themselves i mean if you look at people like uh
03:27:24.420
i mean a lot of musicians they wear makeup you look at prince like very feminine type of guy
03:27:31.660
young thug has worn a dress what's that young thug has worn a dress young one of his album covers
03:27:36.580
yeah i'm not wait who uh who's that he's a rapper who the fuck is that guy i don't really listen
03:27:45.460
to much rap i mean like kanye from old kanye and some 90s people will know the people the people
03:27:52.080
will know the people know thugs up there sharky um well okay sorry we got a thing passing here
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and we got uh devon jackson with the ten dollar super chat it's even more ignorant to base your
03:28:09.620
logic off of the minority of the population instead of the average person so yeah i mean basically i
03:28:14.880
think that goes back to our conversation about like age and body count stuff the exception does
03:28:19.180
not make the rule you know so there's certainly exceptions but overall like if you've been sexually
03:28:24.620
sexually active for 12 years you're more likely than not your body count is going to be higher than
03:28:28.960
someone who's been sexually active for less time so and uh did we miss a super chat eric i feel like
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let me see no we got it we we got them all all right guys uh that is the show eric if you can go
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ahead and uh zoom out the camera just for the uh outro here so uh yeah guys thank you so much for
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tuning in uh it was a really fun podcast thank you so much for all the super chats you guys were
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fucking legends uh i want to thank the wonderful panel sorry we went a bit late guys uh it keeps
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happening but you guys were fucking awesome like i really liked what all of you had to say i know we
03:29:07.520
had a bit of uh debate and disagreement on stuff but i think uh conversation is always really good and
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i thought you guys were super awesome and really cool and made for some really great points so i want
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to thank you guys for coming on would love to have you guys back on on the future show thank you to the
03:29:24.980
viewers for watching we will be live again with our next uh dating talk podcast tuesday so next week
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7 p.m and uh yeah thank you guys for watching and uh we will uh see you guys next time see you guys