Whatever Podcast - Dating Talk #20

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00:00:35.640 La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.

00:00:48.520 La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.

00:01:02.520 And welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, coming to you live from Isla Vista, Santa Barbara County, California.

00:01:19.400 Every Tuesday and Thursday at 7pm Pacific, I'm your host, Brian Atlas.

00:01:23.960 I'm joined by my co-host, Kiki. She's a bit shy.

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00:02:24.020 Also, please support my nonprofit organization, the American Network Against Labia Plasty, or anal for short.

00:02:33.260 We empower women who may feel self-conscious or insecure about their labia.

00:02:39.760 Can we get some hashtag all labia matter in the chat?

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00:02:48.920 Yeah, just, yeah, we're looking for a talent coordinator.

00:02:52.040 If you're a guy, you want to be on the show.

00:02:53.440 If you're a girl, you want to be on the show.

00:02:54.800 Maybe you know somebody who would be good to be on the show.

00:02:58.460 DM at whatever on Instagram.

00:03:01.740 So it's the first week of classes at UCSB.

00:03:06.300 A lot of freshmen are about to get minor in possession of alcohol citations.

00:03:08.960 So I am announcing my Isla Vista Benevolent Reimbursement Fund.

00:03:15.580 As you guys know, I'm a philanthropist.

00:03:17.500 So if you live in Santa Barbara, Goleta, Isla Vista, and you received any petty alcohol or party-related fines,

00:03:22.520 like an open container of alcohol, under 21 possession of alcohol, maybe you're throwing a party and got a noise citation,

00:03:28.600 DM at whatever on Instagram a photo of your citation and story,

00:03:32.280 and you may be selected to have your fine paid for in full by me.

00:03:36.300 Philanthropist, guys.

00:03:38.280 Okay, so we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.

00:03:40.740 So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.

00:03:47.320 Hi, my name is Erica.

00:03:48.880 I'm 18.

00:03:49.880 I work at Chipotle, and I'm not going to school right now.

00:03:54.440 Hi, my name is Alexandria.

00:03:56.560 I'm 19.

00:03:57.640 I'm a ballet dancer, and I do currently go to school for Nutritional Sciences.

00:04:00.840 Hi, I'm Olivia.

00:04:03.780 I'm 28, and I am currently a lawyer.

00:04:09.160 I'm Alex.

00:04:10.340 I'm even older.

00:04:11.260 Into the microphone.

00:04:12.040 Oh, I'm Alex.

00:04:12.800 I'm even older.

00:04:13.440 I'm 29, and I'm also a lawyer.

00:04:16.140 Okay.

00:04:18.620 I'm Yesenia.

00:04:19.800 I'm 18.

00:04:21.000 I work at Chipotle, and I'm studying zoology.

00:04:24.580 Luke.

00:04:25.420 My name is Luke.

00:04:26.700 I'm 19.

00:04:28.180 I work as a beach lifeguard in the summer and a runner at this restaurant called Lokita.

00:04:33.960 I feel like your voice just dropped two octaves from when we were talking before.

00:04:39.560 I can talk up higher than me.

00:04:40.800 No, no, no.

00:04:41.300 We can go back to the original.

00:04:42.620 Let's run it back.

00:04:43.200 No, hey, I like you.

00:04:44.300 You got the radio voice, but it caught me off guard because when we were talking over there,

00:04:48.780 it was, no, it's good.

00:04:49.840 It's good.

00:04:50.160 It's good.

00:04:50.900 It's a great voice, guys.

00:04:52.140 Thank you.

00:04:52.600 One in the chat for Luke's epic voice.

00:04:55.720 Okay, so you work at Chipotle.

00:04:58.480 Yeah.

00:05:00.280 Don't tell me which one, but can you hook it up?

00:05:02.940 Yeah, of course.

00:05:03.720 Okay, I'll see you next time.

00:05:04.580 Don't tell my manager, though.

00:05:05.620 And so, I won't.

00:05:06.700 You have my word.

00:05:07.660 And you're a ballerina.

00:05:09.840 Yeah.

00:05:10.740 Can we say, is it for the SB Ballet Company?

00:05:14.300 It is.

00:05:14.840 Okay.

00:05:15.280 Well, if you're a ballerina in Santa Barbara, I mean, I believe that's the only ballet company.

00:05:20.140 And how long have you been doing that?

00:05:23.660 With this company, not even a year.

00:05:25.840 I just started, but I have been dancing for 18 years.

00:05:28.360 Okay.

00:05:29.600 So, do you tour around a lot?

00:05:32.820 I am what they call a pre-professional.

00:05:34.920 So, it's kind of like an internship for ballet.

00:05:38.240 I don't tour yet.

00:05:39.540 I'm definitely hoping to tour.

00:05:41.000 I do want to one day get to Europe and tour around with different companies.

00:05:45.240 It's what I aspire to get to, but no.

00:05:47.540 Right now, I'm just interning for ballet.

00:05:50.740 Okay.

00:05:51.940 So, your plie is pretty good.

00:05:53.740 My plie is amazing.

00:05:55.660 What about your pirouette?

00:05:56.920 My pirouette?

00:05:57.660 Yeah, is that pretty good?

00:05:58.780 If six at a time is good, then yeah.

00:06:00.560 Okay.

00:06:01.080 Good times.

00:06:01.960 Good times.

00:06:02.460 I want, you know, actually, while we're on the topic, so, I've heard some stories about

00:06:07.920 ballerinas.

00:06:08.840 Mm-hmm.

00:06:10.020 Is it true y'all crazy?

00:06:12.620 Um, yeah.

00:06:13.860 I mean, we're dancing on what is essentially plaster and cardboard strapped to our feet

00:06:19.000 for three to four hours a day.

00:06:21.180 If you can endure that kind of pain, I think you gotta be crazy.

00:06:23.560 Because in the totem pole of craziness, you have, like, horse girls up here.

00:06:32.280 And then right below it, I think it's ballerina.

00:06:35.280 I thought hairstylist was right below.

00:06:37.540 You know what?

00:06:38.080 Horse girl.

00:06:39.740 It's a toss-up between ballerina and hairstylist.

00:06:42.080 I think I'm definitely below a hairstylist.

00:06:43.960 You're below a hairstylist.

00:06:45.540 I'm below, yeah.

00:06:45.800 You do have a good point, though, about hairstylists.

00:06:48.080 That's a fair point.

00:06:48.760 And then, I don't know where attorneys fall on that scale, but maybe you guys have some

00:06:54.660 better insight than I do.

00:06:56.960 Are we crazy?

00:06:57.940 Into the mic, guys.

00:06:58.540 Are we crazy?

00:06:59.520 Is that your question?

00:07:01.040 Sure.

00:07:02.860 I know attorneys drink heavily.

00:07:05.440 Yes.

00:07:06.780 Yes.

00:07:07.460 Just kidding.

00:07:08.320 Definitely.

00:07:08.820 No.

00:07:09.520 I wouldn't say we're, I'd like to say we're insightful.

00:07:13.240 Okay.

00:07:13.940 If that's crazy, I mean, I guess people-

00:07:15.720 I would say we're pretty crazy.

00:07:16.720 Sorry.

00:07:16.940 Yeah.

00:07:17.240 Maybe a little crazy.

00:07:19.100 I have a couple male friends who are attorneys, and they drink very heavily.

00:07:24.520 Very heavily.

00:07:25.720 Party like crazy, so.

00:07:28.020 Anyways, I don't know.

00:07:28.820 Whatever.

00:07:29.080 No comment.

00:07:29.980 Whatever.

00:07:30.580 Whatever.

00:07:31.160 Are you guys able to say what kind of law you guys practice?

00:07:34.980 Are you guys okay with saying that?

00:07:36.320 Yeah.

00:07:37.420 I'm a business law attorney.

00:07:39.640 I practice employment law.

00:07:41.180 Okay.

00:07:41.840 Rock and roll.

00:07:42.880 I think there's going to be some litigation after this.

00:07:45.020 No, I'm kidding.

00:07:45.800 I'm kidding.

00:07:46.540 You guys are going to sue me.

00:07:47.240 No.

00:07:48.580 So, super cool.

00:07:50.040 So, we're going to go around again.

00:07:52.120 By the way, guys, all the girls' Instagrams are in the descriptions.

00:07:55.080 Show them some love.

00:07:56.000 Give them a follow.

00:07:57.560 So, around the panel, once again, relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on

00:08:03.380 a dating app?

00:08:05.040 Um, I'm single.

00:08:07.140 My longest relationship was, like, a year and a half, and no, I'm not on any dating apps

00:08:13.860 right now.

00:08:14.960 Have you ever been on a dating app?

00:08:16.120 I have.

00:08:17.340 I have.

00:08:17.360 I have.

00:08:18.300 Just to, like, see what it was about, though.

00:08:20.620 Which ones?

00:08:22.200 Plural.

00:08:23.360 Huh?

00:08:23.660 Bumble.

00:08:24.220 Bumble?

00:08:24.800 No Tinder?

00:08:26.000 Mm-mm.

00:08:26.680 Seeking arrangements?

00:08:27.820 Nope.

00:08:28.480 Christian mingle?

00:08:29.920 No.

00:08:30.560 Farmers only?

00:08:31.460 Nope.

00:08:31.860 Okay.

00:08:32.800 Go ahead.

00:08:33.900 Um, my longest relationship was only four months, very short, um, and I am, and have

00:08:40.880 been, on three dating apps, Tinder, Hinge, and Bumble, none of which have been successful.

00:08:46.780 And, uh, current relationship status?

00:08:49.020 Single.

00:08:49.300 Single.

00:08:49.700 Okay.

00:08:50.900 I'm in a relationship.

00:08:52.640 My longest relationship in my 28 years was five years, so, uh, you know, doing pretty well,

00:08:59.960 and I've been on all the dating apps, I would say, except for the ones that are not for

00:09:06.640 me, I guess, like, farmers and Christian singles or whatever.

00:09:12.260 Seeking arrangements?

00:09:14.160 No, I haven't, but, you know.

00:09:15.960 Were you on, have you been on seeking arrangements?

00:09:17.940 No.

00:09:18.300 Okay.

00:09:18.520 Um, okay, uh, single, longest relationship was six years, and, yes, I'm on Hinge, currently.

00:09:30.380 Okay.

00:09:32.220 Um, I am single.

00:09:33.900 My longest relationship is a month.

00:09:36.480 Um.

00:09:37.400 Hey, you have.

00:09:38.200 Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

00:09:39.420 I won't do it.

00:09:41.520 And, no, I'm not on any dating apps.

00:09:44.200 Okay.

00:09:45.980 Um, I, my longest relationship was probably about six, seven months, and I'm not on any

00:09:52.700 dating apps.

00:09:53.600 And current relationship status?

00:09:55.280 Single.

00:09:55.720 Single.

00:09:56.060 Okay.

00:09:56.580 I've got quite a few single people at the table.

00:09:59.900 All the single ladies and the two single, okay.

00:10:05.200 So, in today's day and age, I feel like being single, what, what does that really mean anymore?

00:10:13.020 You know?

00:10:13.860 So, how, I guess my question is, how long have you been single, and are you currently

00:10:23.740 kind of talking to somebody?

00:10:26.320 Um, I would say I've been single for, like, six months, five months.

00:10:31.980 And, I am not interested in, like, talking to anyone or meeting anyone new right now.

00:10:38.780 So, you're in monk mode?

00:10:41.960 Yeah.

00:10:42.700 I'm in hibernation, I guess.

00:10:44.660 Celibate.

00:10:45.300 You're celibate?

00:10:45.940 Yeah.

00:10:46.520 Okay.

00:10:46.980 How long have you been celibate?

00:10:48.760 Two weeks?

00:10:51.460 Yes.

00:10:52.520 No.

00:10:54.000 Um.

00:10:54.500 Oh, your friend is snitching on you.

00:10:57.440 No, it's been, like, a month.

00:10:59.640 Okay.

00:11:00.240 All right.

00:11:00.760 Go ahead.

00:11:04.500 Uh, maybe I should ask, like, last time you've hooked up with someone, but I don't know.

00:11:09.580 How long have you been single?

00:11:11.860 Um, since my last relationship, which was, I got in high school, so two years ago.

00:11:18.240 Yeah.

00:11:19.180 Okay.

00:11:19.460 I mean, currently am, or hoping to be in a relationship, but I took a lot of time to focus

00:11:25.520 on my career, which I feel like is a pretty smart move for what I do.

00:11:29.560 It's hard to get into, and I couldn't really afford the distractions.

00:11:34.180 But now I am looking to be in a relationship, or at least to make some type of connection

00:11:38.620 with somebody.

00:11:39.120 And also, just curious about the ballet thing, so, and I don't know if you're comfortable

00:11:43.040 sharing, but you get, I assume you get paid for it, right?

00:11:47.960 Not yet.

00:11:48.580 Not yet?

00:11:49.180 No.

00:11:49.380 But you don't have to pay the ballet company, right?

00:11:53.000 Or do you pay them?

00:11:54.020 I do.

00:11:54.560 Oh, you pay them?

00:11:55.500 Yes.

00:11:55.920 So you're taking, like, classes, sort of?

00:11:58.140 It's a pre-professional track.

00:12:00.200 All dancers have to do it to get to a professional place.

00:12:02.700 And at which point they would start paying you?

00:12:05.680 That's correct.

00:12:06.920 What does the employment attorney think about this arrangement?

00:12:10.860 I can't give any legal advice.

00:12:12.440 I'm sorry.

00:12:13.200 In your, for entertainment purposes, there must be some loophole, right?

00:12:18.480 Right?

00:12:18.940 But, I mean, we can give you my card after the show, and then you can call me, girl.

00:12:23.120 Yeah.

00:12:23.280 Because, to me, it just seems in the same vein as, like, unpaid internships to be paying

00:12:28.600 your, what would otherwise be your employer to work.

00:12:33.020 Anyways.

00:12:33.780 I mean, it can get complicated.

00:12:35.320 I'm sure there's some sort of loophole depending on, like, if you have, if you sign something,

00:12:40.700 we would have to look at it.

00:12:42.120 So it would just, yeah.

00:12:43.640 It depends.

00:12:45.040 The thing to understand about these types of, it's called a traineeship, is we, if you're

00:12:50.580 accepted into these programs, which are very hard to get into, then you're training with

00:12:55.020 the best of the best.

00:12:56.000 You have the best teachers who have danced with the best companies, created their own

00:12:59.700 companies from the ground up.

00:13:00.880 You really are getting the absolute best training you can get.

00:13:03.780 And if you want to be professional, then you have to go through it.

00:13:06.980 You have to pay your dues.

00:13:07.940 I can see that.

00:13:08.620 It's kind of like going to school, you know?

00:13:10.320 Exactly.

00:13:10.820 You're going to college.

00:13:11.540 Yeah, I can see that.

00:13:12.080 You're getting training.

00:13:13.040 Exactly.

00:13:13.620 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:13:15.080 Huh.

00:13:15.500 Okay.

00:13:16.560 Don't, State Street Ballet, don't, please don't cancel me.

00:13:19.580 Okay.

00:13:20.580 Um, I've just embroiled them in litigating.

00:13:24.320 Okay, no, I'm kidding.

00:13:25.520 Um, so, how long have you been single?

00:13:30.880 Almost a year.

00:13:32.660 Almost a year, yeah.

00:13:33.740 And I, but I recently started dating probably like a few months ago on Hinge, which has been

00:13:39.980 like an experience in and of itself, I would say, when you're like in your late 20s dating.

00:13:46.080 Um, so, yeah.

00:13:47.080 So, we'll get into some of the dating app stuff later on in the show.

00:13:52.460 Uh, so when, how long have you been single?

00:13:55.080 Um, I've been single for about five months now.

00:13:58.820 Yeah.

00:14:00.780 Luke?

00:14:01.220 Um, I've been single for probably like three weeks now.

00:14:05.840 Oh, he's, he, he doesn't, uh, stay on the market long.

00:14:11.920 His DMs are open.

00:14:12.960 Okay.

00:14:13.560 Wait.

00:14:14.020 It's the jawline.

00:14:15.320 It is the jawline.

00:14:16.560 It is the jawline.

00:14:17.700 It's totally the jawline.

00:14:18.580 Um, green short girl taken.

00:14:20.820 Wait, but you, no, you're single, right?

00:14:23.300 No, definitely single.

00:14:24.780 Oh, okay.

00:14:25.160 Yeah.

00:14:25.280 I don't know what that comment's about.

00:14:26.340 Okay.

00:14:26.660 So, um, hmm, I don't know if I want to, okay.

00:14:33.580 Oh yeah.

00:14:34.080 Really quick.

00:14:34.680 We'll just go around.

00:14:35.980 Um, you don't have to answer, uh, political orientation.

00:14:40.220 And do you, would you say you identify as a feminist?

00:14:42.940 Um, I wouldn't say I'm a big, like, feminist, but I definitely do support it.

00:14:49.580 And I don't identify with any political.

00:14:52.480 Sure.

00:14:53.120 Go ahead.

00:14:54.200 I'm the same.

00:14:55.020 I don't identify with any political standing, but I would say I'm a feminist.

00:14:59.140 Okay.

00:15:01.240 I am liberal and I'm definitely a feminist.

00:15:05.160 Ditto.

00:15:07.260 Um, I'm just like Erica.

00:15:09.120 I, I'm a feminist, but like, I wouldn't really.

00:15:12.940 Go out and post about it.

00:15:17.520 Luke?

00:15:18.700 Yeah, I'm kind of the same.

00:15:20.120 I don't really have a, uh, orientation with it, but I think it's important.

00:15:25.720 What's important?

00:15:26.920 Feminism.

00:15:27.900 Feminism.

00:15:28.720 Sorry, that wasn't clear before.

00:15:30.700 Okay.

00:15:31.440 Well, as the, uh, I believe as the sole, uh, egalitarian on the panel.

00:15:40.700 Well, I, we're not, we won't get to, we won't get too political, but it should be interesting.

00:15:48.480 Okay.

00:15:48.800 So first question for the show, before I get into some of my questions and we have a few

00:15:53.580 videos also to react to, is there anything dating related that you want to get off your

00:15:58.800 chest?

00:15:59.220 Maybe you recently had a bad date, men are pissing you off in some way.

00:16:04.620 There's a trend in dating that annoys you, something you hate about dating apps, whatever

00:16:09.140 it may be.

00:16:10.080 I want to open it up to the panel first.

00:16:12.300 So go ahead.

00:16:13.040 Um, I would say the idea of, like, shooting your shot nowadays, because personally I would

00:16:23.500 expect someone to, like, go to my window and have a guitar and, like, sing to me, you

00:16:26.980 know?

00:16:27.520 But nowadays it's, like, you slide into the...

00:16:30.040 What?

00:16:32.020 If he wanted to, he would, okay?

00:16:34.320 But, um, what was I saying?

00:16:37.000 Um, oh yeah, and, like, nowadays shooting your shot is going to DMs and that's not really,

00:16:41.760 like, I don't find anything romantic about that.

00:16:44.960 Okay.

00:16:45.660 So you want what?

00:16:48.660 I want men to, like...

00:16:50.740 She wants to be serenaded.

00:16:53.080 What's that movie with the boombox?

00:16:55.120 Do you guys know?

00:16:55.560 Yeah.

00:16:55.860 Is it an musical musical?

00:16:57.240 No.

00:16:57.860 No.

00:16:58.340 Doesn't he show up to her window?

00:16:59.980 He's, like...

00:17:01.000 16 Candles.

00:17:01.800 16 Candles.

00:17:02.980 Yeah.

00:17:03.720 Okay.

00:17:04.040 I'm talking about that.

00:17:04.700 But, so you want...

00:17:06.740 What do you want?

00:17:08.540 Um, I want men to, like, be more romantic.

00:17:13.080 Okay.

00:17:14.060 Mm-hmm.

00:17:14.880 So you want...

00:17:16.740 Can you give us an example of how that might manifest itself?

00:17:20.940 What do you mean?

00:17:22.820 Well, do you want a guy to give you flowers?

00:17:27.100 You want a guy to...

00:17:28.860 I mean, are you talking, like, movie moment, romantic gesture?

00:17:31.480 Yeah, I'm talking, like, love letters.

00:17:33.320 Love letters.

00:17:34.100 Yeah, I'm, like, guitar and singing to me.

00:17:36.380 Yeah.

00:17:36.900 The notebook.

00:17:37.580 Have you ever...

00:17:38.520 Now, have you ever done that for a guy?

00:17:40.800 No.

00:17:42.120 Well, I mean, I've written letters, yeah.

00:17:44.520 You've written letters.

00:17:45.260 But this is for guys that you're already dating, I assume, right?

00:17:49.580 Mm-hmm.

00:17:50.020 Okay.

00:17:52.180 Would you...

00:17:53.180 Maybe you could be the change you want to see in the world.

00:17:55.440 Like, are you gonna...

00:17:56.100 No.

00:17:56.520 Do you know how to play guitar?

00:17:58.300 Maybe the...

00:17:58.720 No.

00:17:59.180 I want them...

00:18:01.600 The recorder?

00:18:02.300 ...to pursue me.

00:18:03.400 Would that be romantic?

00:18:04.820 If a guy showed up with a recorder?

00:18:06.820 Not at all.

00:18:07.800 Okay.

00:18:08.740 Um...

00:18:09.220 So you're not gonna boombox a guy's window?

00:18:12.500 No.

00:18:13.080 They could do that for me, though.

00:18:14.360 Okay.

00:18:15.000 That's interesting.

00:18:15.860 Mm-hmm.

00:18:16.240 Okay.

00:18:16.720 So that's your main gripe, is...

00:18:18.600 There's no more chivalry.

00:18:21.220 Is that...

00:18:21.580 Yeah.

00:18:21.680 If I understand that there's no chivalry, guys aren't romantic.

00:18:24.620 Mm-hmm.

00:18:24.900 It's just on the dating apps, in the DMs.

00:18:27.900 Yeah.

00:18:28.260 Okay.

00:18:28.800 Yeah.

00:18:29.340 Got it.

00:18:29.900 Have you ever slid into a guy's DM?

00:18:34.560 I don't think I have.

00:18:36.080 Maybe, like, a celebrity.

00:18:37.800 Which one?

00:18:38.940 Which ones?

00:18:39.860 Which ones?

00:18:40.120 Plural.

00:18:41.840 The...

00:18:42.860 What's their name?

00:18:46.640 The triplets?

00:18:47.540 Oh, the...

00:18:48.380 They're Nealos.

00:18:48.860 Jonas?

00:18:49.600 No, not the Jonas Brothers.

00:18:50.700 They're, like, on TikTok.

00:18:51.820 Yeah.

00:18:54.260 There's triplets?

00:18:55.540 Yeah.

00:18:55.980 Which one do you pick?

00:18:57.180 All of them.

00:18:58.400 Well, one of them is they.

00:18:58.980 Oh, you...

00:18:59.480 Okay, you DMed all three.

00:19:00.820 I guess your odds are better.

00:19:01.940 I DMed their group Instagram.

00:19:05.080 What did you say?

00:19:06.640 If they wanted to go to Horror Nights with me and my friends.

00:19:08.900 They wanted to go where?

00:19:10.000 To Horror Nights.

00:19:11.360 Horror...

00:19:11.800 Do they live in Santa Barbara?

00:19:13.040 They live in LA.

00:19:14.500 Okay.

00:19:15.300 I was just shooting my shot.

00:19:18.160 Okay.

00:19:18.780 Good times.

00:19:19.720 Good times.

00:19:21.980 Your turn.

00:19:22.660 And if you need me to repeat any questions, let me know.

00:19:26.860 So, I have been single for the past two years.

00:19:29.720 I have been dating.

00:19:31.020 And the one thing that I absolutely hate is this, what we call situationships.

00:19:38.340 Like, dating's not a thing anymore.

00:19:40.240 You're just in a situationship.

00:19:41.480 You can like each other for months, but you're not dating.

00:19:44.300 You have no connection to each other.

00:19:46.840 You're just friends.

00:19:48.100 There's no label because that would freak people out.

00:19:50.180 But I absolutely hate that.

00:19:53.420 I'm very passionate about that.

00:19:55.360 Okay.

00:19:56.160 And so, if you had to explain a situationship to somebody or explain a situationship that

00:20:02.820 you've been in before, what is a situationship?

00:20:06.980 Is it you guys are dating, you guys are hooking up, having sex, but there's no one is committing?

00:20:15.680 I'd say from past experience, a situationship is where you both recognize silently, because

00:20:22.200 you can't say it out loud.

00:20:23.480 You both recognize that there's a connection, that you're interested in each other.

00:20:26.300 You're seeing each other like a relationship status would.

00:20:31.100 Every day, talking every day, check up on each other.

00:20:33.900 You're basically in a relationship, but you have no label.

00:20:36.600 And the minute you bring up a label, it falls apart.

00:20:39.600 So, that's what I would call a situationship.

00:20:43.760 And is it you that's bringing up the label or wanting to have a label and then it falls

00:20:49.580 apart?

00:20:50.040 Yeah, the clarification.

00:20:51.380 So, you bring it up and then the guy gets scared or?

00:20:55.120 I think it's been 50-50.

00:20:56.940 Okay.

00:20:57.280 So, you've had a few times where the guy has said, hey, I want something more and you're

00:21:02.340 like, no, no, no.

00:21:03.340 Yeah.

00:21:03.560 Okay.

00:21:04.500 But you're tired of situationships?

00:21:06.100 I'm tired of it, yes, because I feel like with it being so common, it's become easier

00:21:12.660 for all of us to just fall into.

00:21:14.300 Well, I guess my question is, your quarrel was that you don't like situationships, but

00:21:19.560 yet, I mean, you just said that there are times when the men said, I want commitment,

00:21:24.680 I want to move things forward, and you said no.

00:21:27.800 So, can you explain that?

00:21:30.060 Those situations have been, I've known that we're just not meant to, it wouldn't be a

00:21:38.960 very long relationship.

00:21:40.660 Okay.

00:21:40.780 Like, I was interested in them in the beginning, I got to know them, and I just decided that

00:21:47.660 we weren't meant to be, and so I didn't want to continue with it.

00:21:51.300 So, the guys that you want, don't want you, and the guys that want you, you don't want

00:22:00.040 them.

00:22:00.260 That is the situation, yes.

00:22:01.340 Got it.

00:22:01.780 Okay.

00:22:02.220 Good times.

00:22:03.360 Modern dating, 2022.

00:22:04.740 Go ahead.

00:22:05.260 If I could actually chime in on that really quick.

00:22:06.920 Of course.

00:22:07.180 I agree 100%.

00:22:08.280 Thank you.

00:22:08.980 These situationships are, they're into the mic.

00:22:11.540 These situationships are not ideal.

00:22:14.560 I think people are, like, society and mainly social media has put such a, like, it's glorified

00:22:23.000 this hookup culture, which has been said a lot, which is honestly really gross.

00:22:28.240 I think people don't have enough, like, faithfulness and trust in each other, and it's just easier

00:22:33.320 to be single or just be friends with benefits, even though you could have a connection with

00:22:39.880 that person.

00:22:40.960 So, I agree 100% on that one.

00:22:42.460 Exactly, it's like the minute you move forward, things get too serious, but you've already

00:22:46.320 gotten to that point.

00:22:47.120 No, exactly.

00:22:48.580 I think it depends.

00:22:50.660 So, I think it depends, like, I think, yes, hookup culture is kind of crazy, but I also

00:22:57.560 think that people kind of go into dating in general wanting to, like, have a boyfriend,

00:23:04.160 which I guess it just depends on what you're looking for.

00:23:07.400 So, if you're looking for a boyfriend, then I think, like, communicating that early on

00:23:13.720 kind of avoids having these situationships instead of being, like, this is fun, we're

00:23:18.240 hanging out, what are we doing?

00:23:19.280 Just say, like, I'm looking for a boyfriend, are you interested, you know?

00:23:22.100 Whereas, like, if you're looking to just meet people and connect and vibe, then you

00:23:27.260 can say that and you can meet a whole bunch of people.

00:23:29.560 And it, like, it's not necessarily, you don't necessarily have to, like, hook up with every

00:23:33.580 single one of them, but you can also just, like, meet people and be, like, oh, they were

00:23:37.740 dope, but they're, like, kind of whack romantically, so then you just, like, next.

00:23:42.600 And then you just avoid situationships if, like, you create your own situation, in my

00:23:47.320 opinion.

00:23:48.500 No, I think that's actually a really good point because, you know, I have tried that

00:23:53.100 where I've communicated very early that I was looking for a relationship or I was not

00:23:58.280 looking for any type of strict hookup or friends with benefits situation.

00:24:01.580 And maybe one out of four times it's gone through and progressed and just didn't work

00:24:09.280 out, but I definitely think it helps if you communicate that straightforward.

00:24:14.360 Word.

00:24:15.140 Oh, go ahead, Lou.

00:24:15.800 Sorry about that.

00:24:16.400 I know I keep on, like, jumping.

00:24:17.360 No, come in.

00:24:18.180 Come in.

00:24:18.600 No, I also, that's another good point.

00:24:20.880 And it's, people have such a hard time saying what they want, I think, because they feel

00:24:27.260 like they're going to lose what they have or, like, lose that moment.

00:24:31.020 But it's so important, so crucial to be open with that person you're talking to so that

00:24:36.440 you can actually, like, set up a foundation before anything serious gets started.

00:24:41.760 Wait, Luke, how old are you, by the way?

00:24:43.400 I'm 19.

00:24:44.500 Wise beyond his years.

00:24:46.540 By the way, if you could just scoot that microphone just a bit that way.

00:24:50.460 Yeah, and tilt it up slightly.

00:24:55.520 Up a bit more, a bit more, a little less.

00:24:58.800 You got it?

00:24:59.580 Keep going.

00:25:00.120 Can I do it?

00:25:00.800 Yeah, there we go.

00:25:01.540 Perfect, perfect.

00:25:02.640 Okay, so moving on.

00:25:03.980 Do you have, I don't know if you remember the initial question, but.

00:25:07.320 Is it, like, well, I mean, I'm not dating, so would this be from before?

00:25:10.960 Yeah, like, past experience.

00:25:13.040 I'm sure you have some memories.

00:25:14.220 Yeah.

00:25:14.960 I mean, it's been so long.

00:25:16.300 Um, no, I think that something I don't like, and this is way less deep than what was being

00:25:21.520 discussed before, but I don't like when guys send me pictures of their dick, unless I've,

00:25:26.200 like, asked for it, but I've never have, so I just don't want to get it unsolicited,

00:25:30.700 and I think it's disrespectful, so that's how I feel.

00:25:35.680 Yeah, really quick, we can open it up to the panel.

00:25:38.160 Like, have any, have you guys ever received it?

00:25:40.580 I'm sure every, I mean, well, I don't know, because they're, like, really young, so.

00:25:43.240 Okay, so every girl's, yes, she's received, Luke, have you received, Luke, any dick pic,

00:25:48.620 have you, have you received a dick pic?

00:25:50.560 I have not, thankfully.

00:25:51.840 Have you sent one?

00:25:52.800 I have not.

00:25:53.800 Oh, that's good for you.

00:25:54.540 That's good, respectful.

00:25:55.600 Yeah, I think that's really fucking weird.

00:25:57.900 Yeah, I've, I've never sent a dick pic, so.

00:26:01.300 I think women should start sending pussy pics, though.

00:26:04.640 I would invite it.

00:26:06.420 Send the pussy pics.

00:26:07.940 I'll leave, I'll leave you a matter.

00:26:09.460 Okay.

00:26:11.020 So.

00:26:12.020 P power.

00:26:13.240 The what?

00:26:14.180 P power.

00:26:14.940 Oh, right, because that word.

00:26:16.720 Okay, so, uh, go ahead.

00:26:20.800 Um, love bombing.

00:26:23.220 I actually do not want to be serenaded at all by anyone.

00:26:27.520 Yeah, no, no, that's weird.

00:26:29.140 I feel like if someone kind of love bombs you in the beginning with, like, a whole bunch

00:26:33.420 of flowers and a whole bunch of presents, it's kind of a red flag.

00:26:36.640 It's like, you don't even really, like, know me.

00:26:39.380 This is fairly new.

00:26:40.480 I feel like buying dinners chill, but I feel like when people, it kind of, that's like boyfriend

00:26:45.540 behavior when you're figuring out what you want to do, which is not want a boyfriend.

00:26:51.980 Okay, so no love bombing.

00:26:54.720 Go ahead.

00:26:56.460 I'm kind of on the fence of, like, all of that because I have had guys give me flowers

00:27:01.780 and, like, posters for, like, my sports games, but, like, I wouldn't want to be with them,

00:27:06.340 even though I enjoyed it.

00:27:07.600 And then I'm talking to this guy right now, and he just bought me a shirt of, like, his

00:27:12.620 favorite baseball team just so I could support them with him, but I don't even like his team.

00:27:18.840 And we barely started talking, like, a week ago.

00:27:22.860 Oh, yeah.

00:27:23.460 Wait, he bought...

00:27:24.660 Yeah, definitely.

00:27:25.460 He gave you a gift of his favorite baseball team, you said?

00:27:32.840 Yeah.

00:27:34.460 Is it his size?

00:27:35.940 Because he might have just bought that shit for himself.

00:27:38.520 No.

00:27:38.880 And he's like, oh, I got an extra one.

00:27:40.960 And he gave it to you?

00:27:41.880 No, because he lives in a different state for college, and we're on FaceTime.

00:27:47.840 It was actually last night that he bought me it.

00:27:49.980 We're on FaceTime.

00:27:50.780 Wait, is this your...

00:27:51.860 Is this a guy you're dating?

00:27:53.040 No, we, like, just started talking last week.

00:27:55.280 It's a situation shift.

00:27:56.300 Yeah.

00:27:56.860 Okay.

00:27:57.540 Have y'all hooked up?

00:27:58.600 No, he's in a different state.

00:28:01.100 What state?

00:28:03.180 Louisiana.

00:28:04.960 Why?

00:28:05.660 Hold on.

00:28:06.280 Have you ever met him in person?

00:28:09.020 I've met him once because he dated one of my teammates, like, three years ago.

00:28:13.780 Okay, so this is...

00:28:15.380 Okay.

00:28:15.980 Yeah.

00:28:16.780 Well, he's from here, so...

00:28:17.820 But why even entertain someone that lives so far away?

00:28:20.380 I can see if you've been in a long-term relationship and somebody moves away, but, like, what?

00:28:25.780 I don't get the long-distance thing.

00:28:27.440 I wasn't even trying to get into that.

00:28:29.980 I was trying to look for a friend, and then it kind of happened, like, he's like me, but

00:28:34.260 a guy version, and that's what I like.

00:28:36.320 What is you?

00:28:37.520 Well, we're both into sports.

00:28:39.420 Okay.

00:28:39.780 Same movies, taste, music taste.

00:28:44.200 Like, we're both sarcastic, Mexican.

00:28:47.900 So, hold on.

00:28:48.720 You're having trouble finding sarcastic, sports-loving Mexican men in California?

00:28:55.040 Yes.

00:28:55.520 And all the guys here in Santa Barbara are literally the worst.

00:29:00.020 Santa Barbara guys are the worst.

00:29:01.560 Yeah, they are.

00:29:01.860 Why is that?

00:29:03.020 Well, all they want...

00:29:04.580 What do they want?

00:29:05.500 To hook up.

00:29:06.500 That's it.

00:29:07.120 But this guy who lives in Louisiana, he doesn't want that.

00:29:12.720 I mean, I don't think so, because he's, like, the most respectful guy I've ever met.

00:29:19.020 Yeah.

00:29:19.880 You can be honest.

00:29:20.640 You're just trying to finesse him for sports jerseys you don't even want, right?

00:29:24.540 No, I would never do that.

00:29:26.820 Okay, so...

00:29:29.760 Is your current boyfriend long-distance?

00:29:33.400 No.

00:29:33.840 Oh, okay.

00:29:34.240 I live with him.

00:29:35.220 Okay.

00:29:35.560 Okay, because when I kind of made the comment about long-distance, I thought I got a glare

00:29:39.800 from the other side of the table, but...

00:29:42.700 What?

00:29:44.020 Okay.

00:29:44.680 All right.

00:29:45.780 Luke?

00:29:46.460 Yeah.

00:29:47.920 So, anything dating-related you want to get off your chest?

00:29:50.460 Anything that kind of bugs you?

00:29:51.820 Bad date?

00:29:53.160 Yeah, I mean, again, I think the situationships are really stupid.

00:29:58.320 I don't like it.

00:29:59.100 If you have the intention to get into a relationship, I, you know, I would pursue that.

00:30:04.760 And then, also with the love bombing, I find myself a very affectionate person who also

00:30:11.180 demands to be, like, my partner to be very affectionate.

00:30:14.900 Yeah.

00:30:15.280 So, it kind of has to go both ways.

00:30:17.720 I get the whole, like, the guy should be asking her out and all this stuff.

00:30:21.620 That's fine.

00:30:22.240 Um, but I think there should be some, you know, mutual, like, comeback to that response with

00:30:29.920 it.

00:30:31.840 Okay.

00:30:32.680 Okay.

00:30:33.140 Wait, so you don't like the situationships?

00:30:35.380 No, I don't.

00:30:36.600 I, and again, I'm single now, um, and I just got out of a relationship.

00:30:41.200 And, ironically enough, it started as, as a situationship.

00:30:47.920 Um, it was kind of just like a summer fling.

00:30:51.780 And it, we weren't, we weren't good for each other.

00:30:56.520 And we both kind of just agreed, like, hey, we need to cut this off.

00:31:00.000 But it went from, like, a weird situationship into dating.

00:31:07.080 And then it was kind of fuzzy, but fuzzy is in a term as, like, not like we weren't loyal

00:31:14.300 to each other, but I don't know.

00:31:17.500 It's, it was a weird, it was, I, I, you know, I'll always have love for the person.

00:31:22.900 That's just, it's not going to go away.

00:31:25.780 But you just got to live with it, I guess.

00:31:28.200 By the way, I think chat is in love with you, Luke.

00:31:32.340 There's been a lot of comments about it.

00:31:34.100 Thank you, chat.

00:31:34.520 So, I mean, my question is, Luke.

00:31:36.560 Yeah.

00:31:39.600 Come on.

00:31:40.860 You don't like situationships, Luke?

00:31:43.540 Because, because you're, okay, here's the thing.

00:31:45.280 And I think chat agrees.

00:31:46.900 You're a very handsome dude.

00:31:49.480 So, you have your, your pick.

00:31:51.160 You have your pick of the ladies.

00:31:53.840 So, why settle?

00:31:54.800 I think there's comfort in settling.

00:32:00.360 There's, you know.

00:32:01.040 Is there growth in comfort?

00:32:02.520 Yeah, there is.

00:32:03.600 I think there's growth in comfort.

00:32:05.360 There's, of course, more growth in pain, but you have to have, you know, to be comfortable,

00:32:10.280 you have to have some understanding of pain.

00:32:12.880 So, you grow from that, if that makes any sense.

00:32:17.500 Okay.

00:32:17.840 All right.

00:32:19.040 All right.

00:32:20.100 Why is it beyond his ears?

00:32:21.280 So, I guess I'll give mine.

00:32:24.040 My, I kind of, one of my big gripes is flakiness.

00:32:31.200 Flakiness.

00:32:32.060 And, you know what?

00:32:35.340 We've had so many flakes for this show.

00:32:38.660 Like, I invite some people on and they flake.

00:32:41.780 Give, like, they'll either ghost, like, give no notice or give, like, an hour's notice.

00:32:46.160 But just, like, when it comes to dating, like, being super flaky is kind of a big pet peeve

00:32:51.080 of mine.

00:32:51.520 Also, not being punctual.

00:32:52.740 Like, if someone's late, for me, that's, like, big deal.

00:32:56.420 So, yeah.

00:32:58.460 Anyways.

00:32:58.940 So, I want to ask, I want to ask.

00:33:01.260 By the way, you won't offend me.

00:33:03.380 So, who do you think is more flaky?

00:33:06.620 Men or women?

00:33:08.560 And we're going to start over here.

00:33:10.220 Actually, wait.

00:33:12.340 We'll let Luke go last.

00:33:13.620 So, you go ahead.

00:33:16.500 Men, 100%.

00:33:18.060 Men are flakier.

00:33:19.020 Yeah.

00:33:19.400 Okay.

00:33:20.880 I'm pretty flaky.

00:33:22.880 Hey, I appreciate your honesty.

00:33:23.900 I'm pretty flaky and I'm always late.

00:33:25.800 Like, I had a date on Sunday and the guy, like, had to wait in the car for 15 minutes

00:33:31.800 because I had, like, just gotten out of the shower.

00:33:35.040 No, I appreciate your honesty, though.

00:33:36.440 So.

00:33:37.060 But I think it goes, I mean, I think it goes both ways.

00:33:39.800 I think both can be flaky.

00:33:41.520 Sure.

00:33:42.420 Wait.

00:33:42.760 So, you had a date this past weekend?

00:33:45.760 Yeah.

00:33:48.120 I'm just curious.

00:33:48.900 Like, you're on the dating app.

00:33:50.900 Like, you're single.

00:33:52.020 How many dates per week would you say you're going on?

00:33:54.960 Well, I'm a lawyer.

00:33:56.280 So, I, like, I'm not, like, just swinging them, like, going on dating every night.

00:34:00.460 But, I mean, I've been on, I've been on a handful of dates, for sure.

00:34:04.900 And then I've messaged people, which was also whack, which we can get into later.

00:34:09.300 But.

00:34:09.340 Oh, you've messaged people?

00:34:10.640 No, they've, like, you know, when you can message on Hinge or whatever.

00:34:13.920 So, I've, you know, you have a conversation with people and then feel it out and then

00:34:18.240 gone on some dates with those people.

00:34:21.620 But wait, why is it, what do you mean, you said it's whack when you message.

00:34:24.780 What do you mean by that?

00:34:25.460 Well, the conversation.

00:34:27.060 So, I think, so it depends.

00:34:28.560 The conversation in person is whack?

00:34:31.040 Yeah.

00:34:31.420 Like, sometimes people are way better on Hinge or texting.

00:34:36.200 And it's, like, did your best friend write that or was that you?

00:34:39.480 I don't know.

00:34:40.040 Sure.

00:34:40.480 So, I think that sometimes it's, like, the energy's there when you're, like, texting or,

00:34:47.020 you know, when you're, like, long distance or something.

00:34:49.280 But then you get in person and it's, like, not, it's not it.

00:34:53.840 Yeah.

00:34:54.280 That's definitely happened.

00:34:55.620 Definitely.

00:34:56.740 Wait.

00:34:57.140 So, you were, okay.

00:34:58.440 So, you were 15 minutes.

00:34:59.440 Was it 20 minutes?

00:35:02.000 35?

00:35:02.660 In my defense, we were supposed to meet at 5 and we got there at 445.

00:35:08.140 Oh, so you got there at 5?

00:35:09.940 Well, he was picking me up.

00:35:11.640 And so, I was ready at, like, well, I wasn't ready at 5.

00:35:16.380 I was ready at, like, 530 probably.

00:35:18.900 Wait.

00:35:19.300 Okay, so.

00:35:20.180 It's a confusing situation.

00:35:21.920 Okay.

00:35:22.420 The plan was 5.

00:35:23.700 He got there at 445.

00:35:25.380 You were not ready until 530.

00:35:28.100 It was, like, 5.

00:35:30.140 I mean, so, I was just gone back from San Diego from the Bad Bunny concert.

00:35:35.500 So, I was, like, recovering from the weekend.

00:35:39.140 And then I.

00:35:40.860 I like how YouTube, by the way, gasped when she said Bad Bunny.

00:35:44.980 Legend.

00:35:45.620 Legend.

00:35:45.840 Oh, yeah.

00:35:46.580 So, we.

00:35:48.160 I ended up driving back.

00:35:49.540 Ended up, like, down to meet up with this guy.

00:35:52.620 And then.

00:35:53.560 And then I had, like, limited time.

00:35:55.500 I couldn't help the L.A. traffic.

00:35:57.020 So, that time it wasn't my fault.

00:35:59.420 Okay.

00:36:00.620 Got it.

00:36:01.680 How did.

00:36:02.120 Wait.

00:36:02.380 So, okay.

00:36:03.600 He picked you up, though?

00:36:05.540 Mm-hmm.

00:36:06.540 But you have a car, right?

00:36:08.940 It's a.

00:36:09.600 I mean, it just.

00:36:10.540 It just.

00:36:10.920 Okay.

00:36:11.140 So, you don't have a car right now.

00:36:12.920 No, I do.

00:36:13.760 I'm home.

00:36:13.980 No, I don't have a car.

00:36:14.480 I walked here, actually, from downtown Santa Barbara.

00:36:16.820 Yeah.

00:36:17.000 Oh, nice.

00:36:17.440 That was a good little workout then.

00:36:19.060 Just, like, 20 miles.

00:36:20.900 Yeah, a good three-hour walk.

00:36:22.680 Maybe.

00:36:22.960 Probably more.

00:36:23.500 Who knows?

00:36:24.200 So, wait.

00:36:24.860 Okay.

00:36:25.220 So, wait.

00:36:27.080 So, you just don't have a car?

00:36:28.200 Or were you.

00:36:28.640 No, I do have a car.

00:36:29.540 You were tanked.

00:36:30.220 You were drunk.

00:36:30.520 The plans were up in the air.

00:36:31.680 So, we didn't know, like, what we wanted to do.

00:36:34.020 Like, were we going to dinner?

00:36:35.320 Were we going to hook up?

00:36:36.260 Were we going to do both?

00:36:37.100 Who knows?

00:36:37.620 You know?

00:36:37.960 And so.

00:36:38.760 Who knows?

00:36:39.960 I know.

00:36:41.200 Oh, you knew.

00:36:41.960 We all know.

00:36:42.680 What did you know?

00:36:44.640 What?

00:36:45.380 I don't.

00:36:46.560 You don't know.

00:36:47.340 You know that you don't.

00:36:48.120 Okay.

00:36:48.380 Got it.

00:36:48.680 Got it.

00:36:48.880 Got it.

00:36:50.080 Anyway.

00:36:50.600 So, yeah.

00:36:51.040 So, the day it ended up.

00:36:52.540 That was actually a cool day.

00:36:53.740 I would say probably one of the cooler ones.

00:36:55.400 You guys got food?

00:36:56.260 Or what did you guys do?

00:36:56.740 Yeah, we got food.

00:36:57.540 Doc.

00:36:58.240 Mellow.

00:36:58.720 Yeah.

00:36:59.000 Rock and roll.

00:36:59.640 Who paid?

00:37:02.800 We actually split it.

00:37:05.140 Hey, good for you.

00:37:06.040 Yeah.

00:37:06.240 Good times.

00:37:06.940 Yeah.

00:37:07.320 Actually split it.

00:37:08.180 We actually split it.

00:37:08.980 But that, I mean, I feel like that goes back to, like, the way I am looking at dating

00:37:13.540 is, like, if I'm, like, if I've gone on a few dates with someone where it's, like,

00:37:19.340 romantic, then I feel like, yeah, then they should pay for sure.

00:37:24.220 The guy should pay.

00:37:25.060 But I don't even, you know, I didn't even know if I like this guy.

00:37:28.040 Wait.

00:37:28.520 Sorry.

00:37:28.980 Just to clarify.

00:37:29.780 So, you're saying you've, after you've gone on a few dates, after you, then the other person

00:37:36.140 should, the guy should pay?

00:37:37.560 Well, it depends.

00:37:40.660 I feel like it depends on the person.

00:37:42.060 It depends on what you're doing.

00:37:43.200 I feel like if you have, like, a whole day planned, I mean, like, I don't mind paying for

00:37:49.120 some things.

00:37:51.680 Wait.

00:37:52.020 And are you talking first date?

00:37:54.160 Or are you talking, let's say you've been seeing a guy for two months.

00:37:58.100 Let me just, let me just say, if I know, if I'm going into it and I'm, like, I solely

00:38:02.420 want to hook up with this guy, like, I don't care about his personality.

00:38:04.960 I don't care about what he has to say.

00:38:06.880 All I want to do is hook up with this guy.

00:38:08.820 And I know that, like, going into it, then, like, I can buy my own shit, you know?

00:38:13.580 It's fine.

00:38:14.200 I don't need you to pay because I don't want to feel like it's, like, oh, my God, we have

00:38:17.560 to hang out.

00:38:18.100 Like, no.

00:38:19.240 But if it's, like, if it's, like.

00:38:22.100 It's more, there's, like, a more romantic.

00:38:24.000 Yeah.

00:38:24.120 If I'm, like, ooh, we're going on a date.

00:38:25.800 I don't necessarily know if we're going to hook up.

00:38:28.000 I'm, like, very intrigued.

00:38:30.040 You know, I'm interested.

00:38:30.980 This could be your, you know, you don't look like a creep, whatever.

00:38:35.560 Then it's, like, okay, I'm down.

00:38:37.340 It's more, like, date, you know, more of, like, a formal date, I would say.

00:38:40.940 And so then they, yeah, then they pay.

00:38:43.680 The guy pays.

00:38:44.740 Definitely.

00:38:45.060 Okay.

00:38:45.420 Yeah.

00:38:45.620 And then what about, so that's the first date.

00:38:47.560 What about moving on from there?

00:38:49.100 Can he.

00:38:49.720 I haven't gotten that far.

00:38:50.920 I've gone on.

00:38:51.480 I think.

00:38:51.880 No, not with this guy specifically.

00:38:53.180 Oh, yeah.

00:38:53.740 But just, like, in general, you said when it's not just, like, a more casual thing,

00:38:59.160 when it's looking to potentially be a bit more serious, a bit more formal, maybe a bit

00:39:04.120 more traditional, you want the guy not only to pay for the first date, but also a continuity

00:39:08.960 there, so he keeps, the guy keeps paying.

00:39:11.480 Is that correct?

00:39:12.360 Well, I haven't gotten that far with anyone yet, but I think that if I, if I, yeah, in

00:39:19.480 really, and in relationships, I think it was, it was definitely more, like, like, he would

00:39:24.800 pay for a lot of it.

00:39:25.840 In my last relationship, most of the time he paid when we went, like, out.

00:39:29.340 Like, for dinner or something?

00:39:30.680 Like, for dinner, for, yeah, he definitely paid.

00:39:33.380 And just remind me, your, that relationship ended when?

00:39:37.300 A year ago.

00:39:37.920 A year ago.

00:39:38.340 And was it a long?

00:39:39.380 It was six years.

00:39:40.220 Six years.

00:39:40.780 So, for six years, more often than not, you'd say he was paying?

00:39:44.460 Oh, for sure.

00:39:45.260 And were you guys about the same age, or?

00:39:47.100 Yeah, he was three years older.

00:39:48.880 Okay.

00:39:49.180 Yeah.

00:39:49.540 Also an attorney, or?

00:39:50.520 Also a lawyer, yeah.

00:39:51.600 Ah, okay.

00:39:52.460 Got it, got it.

00:39:53.820 Okay, that's kind of interesting.

00:39:57.460 I, I want to finish up the flaking thing, but I do want to talk about who pays on dates

00:40:02.440 and stuff, so that is interesting.

00:40:06.180 We'll get to the who pays thing after the flaking thing.

00:40:08.480 So, who do you think is more flaky, men or women?

00:40:11.760 I mean, me personally, I'm really flaky, and so is, like, my best friend, and Alex is

00:40:19.280 pretty flaky, too.

00:40:20.380 So, I would say, like, I guess in my worldview, women, but I honestly, I don't know.

00:40:27.120 Okay.

00:40:27.720 Fair enough.

00:40:29.140 Um, personally, I'm not flaky whatsoever.

00:40:32.580 I'm very, because I was trained as a ballerina, I am very on the dot, always punctual, very,

00:40:37.480 yeah.

00:40:38.400 Um, so, but I would still say women, because all of my friends are really flaky.

00:40:45.880 Um, I would say women, because I flake a lot, too, but I think it really depends.

00:40:49.900 Hey, no, appreciate the honesty.

00:40:51.300 Yeah.

00:40:52.440 Um, if you're a priority, then, like, I'm not going to flake on you, but.

00:40:55.740 Right.

00:40:56.540 Same goes for the guys.

00:40:57.780 Sure.

00:40:58.380 How, can I ask, so, and you guys might not keep track of this, but, like, how many times

00:41:03.800 would you say you flaked on a guy on a, for a date?

00:41:06.940 Either, like, the day of, or, like, within a, and, and not, like, you had a, like, you

00:41:14.040 were sick, or, you know, like, you just were, like, eh, I just don't really, I'm not really

00:41:18.160 feeling it.

00:41:18.780 Like, forget it.

00:41:20.620 Um, like, three or four times.

00:41:24.080 Okay.

00:41:24.880 Only once.

00:41:27.600 Like, one out of every three, I'd say.

00:41:31.120 Okay.

00:41:31.380 30%.

00:41:31.940 Okay.

00:41:33.240 I'd say about the same.

00:41:35.680 I'm not a flake.

00:41:37.180 You've never flaked?

00:41:39.100 No.

00:41:39.740 Okay, good for you.

00:41:40.880 And if I, like, I have to flake, it's, like, for a good reason.

00:41:44.060 Like, medical or.

00:41:45.380 Yeah, yeah, if you're sick.

00:41:46.720 Um, Luke?

00:41:48.400 Uh, I am terrible with time management, uh, but I, I don't feel like I'm a flaky person.

00:41:54.280 Like, if I make plans with someone, I'm gonna try my best to carry those out.

00:41:58.160 It might be, like, five minutes late, but, you know.

00:42:01.620 And if I'm going to pick someone up, then I'll be on time.

00:42:04.760 But if, like, like, if, if a friend is coming to get me and we're gonna go hang out or something

00:42:09.220 like that, and they're giving me the ride, they'll show up to my house and I'll just be

00:42:13.140 getting out of the shower or something.

00:42:15.400 Okay.

00:42:16.640 Got it.

00:42:17.460 Okay.

00:42:18.420 And, um, uh, yeah, that's it.

00:42:20.820 So, okay.

00:42:21.140 So, you mentioned the whole pay, who pays on the first date thing.

00:42:25.140 So, I want to just go around the table, get your take.

00:42:28.320 Who do you think should pay on the first date?

00:42:31.700 On the first date, I think it should be men.

00:42:36.180 Them?

00:42:37.120 Yeah.

00:42:37.540 Okay.

00:42:37.860 But I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind, like, splitting it, if anything.

00:42:40.600 Okay.

00:42:41.160 Yeah.

00:42:41.380 So, if a guy asks you on a first date, maybe, I don't know, you get food, whatever, and he

00:42:48.500 asks at the end of the date, hey, is it cool if we split, or he asks for separate checks,

00:42:53.280 are you gonna feel a certain type of way about that?

00:42:55.800 No.

00:42:56.440 Okay.

00:42:56.720 I would say men for the first date, but I'm willing to split.

00:43:01.980 Yeah.

00:43:02.200 Okay.

00:43:04.220 I would say, I don't know, I mean, on a random first date with somebody I've never met before,

00:43:11.680 I'd probably split it, so that I don't feel, like, how Alex was saying, like, I owe them

00:43:17.820 to hang out with them again, in case I decide I don't want to.

00:43:20.340 Sure.

00:43:21.460 Otherwise, I think whoever makes more money.

00:43:23.720 Whoever makes more money should pay.

00:43:25.420 Okay.

00:43:25.680 And what about, so you mentioned on the first date, but what do you think about, as the

00:43:31.040 dates continue, second, third, fourth date, is it just whoever makes more money?

00:43:35.300 Yeah, I do.

00:43:36.620 Okay.

00:43:36.840 And I also think that, I mean, if you are somebody, if you're gonna choose to go to some restaurant

00:43:42.580 with me, and it's, like, for example, I don't like Greek food, if we were going to a Greek

00:43:46.500 restaurant, then I'd be hoping that, like, you would pay, because I don't even really want

00:43:51.400 to eat the food.

00:43:52.420 Sure.

00:43:52.700 So, you know, it's more for you.

00:43:54.580 Okay.

00:43:55.880 Go ahead.

00:43:58.960 For the first date, honestly, I would split the check, because, like, what they said,

00:44:03.880 what if you don't like them, after all?

00:44:05.740 Sure.

00:44:06.340 Luke?

00:44:07.260 I think it's whoever offers to take them out.

00:44:10.660 So if, and again, I said this earlier, I think the guys mainly has the responsibility

00:44:15.880 to go up to someone and ask them on a date.

00:44:18.300 So in that case, I think a guy should pay, but if a girl comes up to you and says, hey,

00:44:24.460 do you want to go out?

00:44:25.400 I think it should be her obligation to pay, because she's the one taking you out.

00:44:28.380 Do you guys agree with what Luke just said?

00:44:32.760 Yeah.

00:44:33.080 And then just to get you back in on this, so your stance is the guy should pay, correct?

00:44:41.860 Yeah.

00:44:42.420 On the first date, and then continue to pay, correct?

00:44:46.440 No, no, no, no.

00:44:47.600 I think what I meant, what I was saying was, like, I think the, in the beginning, like,

00:44:51.680 the initial stages, I think, like, going 50-50 is, like, fine.

00:44:56.700 If it's just casual, right?

00:44:57.920 If it's casual, right.

00:44:58.780 But if it's looking like it's more serious, yeah, then I think they should.

00:45:02.400 The guy should pay.

00:45:03.480 Well, I kind of think, like, yeah, I think most of the time the guy should pay, yeah.

00:45:09.240 Okay, why?

00:45:09.880 Um, well, I guess it also depends on the dynamic and the, like, in my past relationship, he

00:45:19.040 definitely paid for, like, dinners or stuff like that, but I, like, paid for, like, groceries.

00:45:26.160 So it depends on, like, the dynamic of the relationship.

00:45:29.180 If you're, like, dating and you don't live together, then I think you can split it or

00:45:34.080 divvy it up, whatever.

00:45:34.980 But I think if you're in a relationship and you're doing, like, if I'm cooking for you

00:45:39.280 every night and you're not paying for it, like, that's, like, then take me out also.

00:45:44.740 You know, I think that if you're, if you're, like, doing something, if I'm doing, like,

00:45:49.920 your laundry, if I'm helping with, like, household chores and you're, like, not doing any of those

00:45:56.540 things and you're also not paying for dinner, it's, like, what am, there's no, there's no

00:46:00.900 reciprocity.

00:46:01.720 Like, what am I, what am I getting out of this?

00:46:03.480 Sure.

00:46:04.220 Although, I mean, it, it usually, to get to the point of living with someone that usually

00:46:09.260 is pretty, I mean, it depends, but that's usually pretty far into a relationship.

00:46:13.520 Right, right.

00:46:13.980 So, I mean, like, let's say if that would otherwise typically happen, say, a year into

00:46:18.940 a relationship for that year period where you guys are not living together, so there's

00:46:23.260 no shared household chores and there's no grocery shopping, for example.

00:46:29.120 You each have your own places, et cetera.

00:46:31.160 So, what, what do you think under those circumstances?

00:46:33.300 That's usually, like, I think it kind of, like, depends.

00:46:35.380 It's, like, 50-50.

00:46:36.180 I think it's kind of, like, what Luke was saying, if I'm, like, let's go watch a movie

00:46:39.880 and I'm picking the movie, it's, like, I'm going to pay for it.

00:46:42.620 Whereas, you know, if, like, he's, like, let's go out to dinner, I think it's, like,

00:46:46.120 I would say it's more, like, 50-50 at that point.

00:46:48.480 Okay.

00:46:48.840 Depends on how serious you are.

00:46:50.160 Right.

00:46:50.800 But, I mean, at six months in, are you, is it, are you not ever asking the guy out?

00:46:57.720 Or is it always the guy saying, hey, let's go get dinner?

00:47:00.660 No, I think, I think I asked the guy out.

00:47:02.820 And then.

00:47:03.480 And then I.

00:47:04.100 You'll pay.

00:47:04.560 For dinner, yeah.

00:47:05.520 Okay.

00:47:06.000 Yeah.

00:47:06.640 When you're in a long-term thing.

00:47:08.960 When it's getting kind of long-term.

00:47:10.340 It depends, it depends.

00:47:11.580 Yeah, there's a lot of, it, it, it, oh, yeah, it definitely depends.

00:47:15.260 Okay, so, well, it's very, it's kind of interesting because a lot of you guys, when I asked earlier,

00:47:22.760 a lot of you said you were feminists, right?

00:47:25.940 You believe in equality.

00:47:27.000 But it's interesting when it comes to paying for the first date, you want the guy to pay.

00:47:35.280 Okay, so how do you, how do you reconcile being in favor of equality, but also have, holding men to their traditional gender roles?

00:47:45.640 I mean, I, like, said I was a feminist, and then I don't feel like I expect a man to pay.

00:47:59.040 I mean, if they make a lot more money than me, then yeah, because that's fair, I guess, or, you know, whatever it is.

00:48:06.040 But, yeah, I don't know, I feel pretty good about my answer, so.

00:48:09.740 Sure.

00:48:10.980 Erica?

00:48:11.700 I think it's with, like, if the guy initiates to pay, I'm going to let him pay.

00:48:16.680 But if he does ask me to, like, split it, I wouldn't mind at all.

00:48:19.320 Okay.

00:48:20.120 I'm the same, I'm willing to split it.

00:48:21.740 I think it should be 50-50.

00:48:23.400 I do prefer men paying the first date because that's just, on the dates that I've been, a guy has asked me out for the first date.

00:48:29.740 Right.

00:48:30.020 So he pays, but after that, I'll split it.

00:48:31.960 Okay.

00:48:32.240 Yeah, but so if a guy asked you, a guy asked you out on the first date, but he asked to split, are you going to feel a certain type of way about that?

00:48:41.700 No, I'd be fine with that, honestly.

00:48:42.800 You'll still, there'll be a second date, assuming it otherwise went well, just he asked you to split?

00:48:47.980 Yeah, I don't think it's a red flag.

00:48:49.260 Okay.

00:48:51.420 Well, I'm going to go on a second date with Mr. 50%, so I think it's a yes for me.

00:48:56.340 Okay.

00:48:56.740 Well, honestly, I've never been on a date before, yeah, and I always-

00:49:06.200 Wait, but you've had a boyfriend, right?

00:49:07.740 Yep.

00:49:08.740 But no dates?

00:49:09.820 Yeah, I've had like three boyfriends, none of them have taken me out.

00:49:13.680 Like for, you've never gotten food with a guy?

00:49:16.040 Well, we have, but I would take them.

00:49:18.260 You take them?

00:49:18.360 And I would always have to drive and pay.

00:49:20.580 No guy has ever paid for me.

00:49:21.980 Bro, wifey material over here.

00:49:23.240 I'm literally like the man in the relationship.

00:49:25.880 I wear the pants every time.

00:49:27.780 And do you enjoy being in that role?

00:49:31.780 I mean, I would like to have my food paid for, or like, but I'm not really big on gift giving or stuff like that.

00:49:40.360 It's more like a quality time type of thing, so if I'm asking you to be with me, that's all I pretty much want.

00:49:46.800 Interesting.

00:49:47.740 Okay.

00:49:48.400 So you're the one always paying for the guys?

00:49:51.180 Yeah.

00:49:51.980 You work at Chipotle?

00:49:55.400 Right?

00:49:55.900 Well, before, I used to work at Paxson.

00:49:57.420 Oh, I see.

00:49:57.940 You bring them, you get them a little, the discount.

00:50:00.720 I see.

00:50:01.400 Oh, Paxson?

00:50:02.080 Yeah, I used to work at Paxson.

00:50:03.600 Okay.

00:50:03.960 So I used to give out discounts to the cute guys, you know, that's me shooting my shot just a tad bit, but.

00:50:09.440 Okay.

00:50:10.720 Huh.

00:50:11.100 That's kind of unique.

00:50:14.160 Yeah, so, okay.

00:50:15.060 I mean, I'll give my take on this really quick.

00:50:17.020 So as far as, like, who should pay, and Luke, so you said whoever asks should pay.

00:50:23.560 Yeah.

00:50:23.820 And I think that's a fairly reasonable position to take.

00:50:28.680 My only quarrel with that is that it sort of ignores the fact that men are de facto the initiators and men de facto are the askers.

00:50:39.640 So, I mean, whoever, whoever asks should pay is essentially men should pay.

00:50:45.620 Because overwhelmingly, not to say that there aren't some women out there occasionally that will ask a guy or will initiate a first date, but overwhelmingly, and I think this is, if you ask most men and you ask most women, men are the ones initiating overwhelmingly.

00:51:00.920 They're the ones handling sort of the initial stages, and they're going to be asking for that first date.

00:51:07.480 So, it does sort of overlook that.

00:51:10.060 There's sort of an imbalance there in terms of who's initiating.

00:51:14.580 Also, I'll pay for a girl if she's much younger than me.

00:51:21.060 So, like you said, no, like, okay, a woman, she's a woman, but if she's younger than me, let's say she's in college, right?

00:51:29.960 I'm out earning her.

00:51:31.880 But like you said, like, you mentioned.

00:51:33.920 I really hope that that's not the case.

00:51:35.320 I'm like, do you need a lawyer?

00:51:37.300 Yeah.

00:51:37.800 Do you need a lawyer?

00:51:39.080 What?

00:51:39.580 No, okay.

00:51:40.460 A woman who's 18 and over.

00:51:42.240 Okay.

00:51:42.420 If I'm dating a woman who's 18 and over, let's say she's in college, she could be 21, right, but she could be in college, she might not be earning a lot.

00:51:50.560 So, like, to what you said, how it sort of depends on people's, their earning abilities or their income, that could be a factor.

00:51:58.900 It could be a proportionality thing.

00:52:00.420 Hey, maybe if we go on vacation, for example, maybe you can't afford to go to Hawaii, but I want to go.

00:52:07.700 Let me treat you.

00:52:08.500 If you want to pick up something, that's fine, but let me pay for it.

00:52:10.960 So, that's one scenario where I think it's okay, but the other thing is, is that dating in 2022, back in the day, back in the day, like, let's say when it was very much more traditional, say in the 1950s or whatever, if you went on a date with someone, that person could end up being your wife or husband.

00:52:35.300 And, like, most people back then probably went on three dates, three people.

00:52:40.800 People will do that, will go on three dates in a week, three dates in a month.

00:52:45.100 So, there's a diminished likelihood of any one given date proceeding or going further.

00:52:53.100 So, I think for that burden to continue to fall primarily on men is not great.

00:52:58.420 And to add to that point, I don't want to pay for a girl that's fucking another guy.

00:53:07.260 So, the fact of the matter is, most people are sleeping with at least one other person.

00:53:11.140 Like, if, and this applies to both men and women, if you're going on a first date with someone, you have to assume going in that they're fucking at least one other person.

00:53:18.540 At least one.

00:53:19.760 I know some girls that got two, three, four guys on their roster.

00:53:23.360 So, I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles and you're fucking a bunch of other people.

00:53:30.320 And that, girls can have that same standard too.

00:53:32.360 Girls can certainly have an issue with, I don't want to pursue, I don't want to date a guy that's a player that's sleeping around.

00:53:38.600 So, that's my take.

00:53:39.980 Like, yeah, because I would just feel like, that would rub me the wrong way major.

00:53:47.600 If I'm on a date with a girl, I pay for everything.

00:53:50.920 Good night.

00:53:51.600 She gives me the ass out hug.

00:53:53.420 She takes the doggy bag to the guy she's fucking, gives him the food that I paid for, and he eats it, then he fucks her.

00:54:03.140 That's like almost getting into cuck territory.

00:54:05.620 Like, so, that would be a serious problem for me.

00:54:08.460 So, I'm going to open it up, back up to you guys.

00:54:10.220 You guys had a bit of a reaction to that.

00:54:11.900 Does anybody want to come in?

00:54:13.660 Yeah.

00:54:14.220 Go ahead.

00:54:14.820 Definitely.

00:54:15.340 Come in.

00:54:15.760 So, this is a serious question.

00:54:18.240 So, when you, when you plan on going on a date with someone, like, do you ask them, like, are you, like, right off the bat, like, are you sleeping with someone?

00:54:25.140 Do I ask them?

00:54:26.020 Yeah.

00:54:26.260 I mean, if, like, how would you know that they're fucking other guys?

00:54:29.300 I don't.

00:54:29.680 I just assume it.

00:54:30.620 So, you're just assuming.

00:54:31.840 I assume, if I'm going on a date with a girl.

00:54:34.360 Are you fucking other girls?

00:54:36.320 Depends.

00:54:37.400 But, no, mostly I'm, I, I typically, there's, there's been a few times there's been a bit of crossover.

00:54:44.380 But, 90% of the time, I'm so busy, I'm only, like, I'm not going on a bunch of dates.

00:54:50.580 If I'm going on a date, like, maybe once a month, maybe, I'm just too busy.

00:54:55.820 I don't have time.

00:54:57.080 So, most of the time, if I'm pursuing a girl, I'm probably only pursuing her, really.

00:55:02.500 So, that's, that's me.

00:55:05.540 Go ahead.

00:55:06.820 Go ahead.

00:55:07.280 I feel like it's weird, kind of, to expect that.

00:55:10.260 Because then, if I went on a date with a guy who's single, and he's not fucking any other girls, then I would be like, well, why isn't he?

00:55:19.240 Like, what's wrong with him?

00:55:20.500 And, obviously, there's been some flags going off for other girls to make them avoid the situation.

00:55:26.920 So, I mean, like, I personally would be, like, more, more inclined to want to go on a date, at least a first date.

00:55:34.880 With a guy who's, well, the guy who's, like, normal.

00:55:37.460 Yeah, who's, like, hooking up with girls, and I'm hooking up with guys.

00:55:39.740 Like, I mean, I feel like that's dating in 2022, like you said.

00:55:43.200 If I was dating, then I wouldn't be, like, looking for the celibate weirdo.

00:55:47.620 No offense, not saying you're a weirdo, but that's not who I would be looking for.

00:55:51.560 Yeah, well, no, so, I mean, yeah, you are right about the dating meta, yes.

00:55:59.000 And, like I said, people are just willy-nilly, just sleeping with a bunch of people.

00:56:04.420 There's a lot of, not crossover, but you're going to be, a girl's going to be dating a guy.

00:56:10.960 He's going to be sleeping with some other girls.

00:56:12.700 Like, so that is the sort of how dating is right now.

00:56:18.560 I don't think that that's a good thing, but so what you're saying is you would almost prefer it

00:56:25.760 if a brand-new guy you're seeing, he's, like, fucking a couple other chicks.

00:56:29.640 Well, I mean, like, what do you mean a brand-new guy I'm seeing?

00:56:31.960 I'm talking about, like, a first date with somebody.

00:56:34.760 Like, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't care, and I probably wouldn't even know if he was.

00:56:38.920 Right, but so it wouldn't be, you wouldn't be put off if you're going on a first date with a guy,

00:56:44.980 and you know he's sleeping with someone else.

00:56:46.980 What does that say about your potential long-term prospects with that person?

00:56:50.540 Because he's got another thing, he's got two side pieces.

00:56:53.660 Are you, let's say you're dating seriously.

00:56:55.840 You're looking for a long-term relationship.

00:56:59.000 I'm not saying that guy might not be incredibly attractive.

00:57:02.100 He might be very attractive.

00:57:03.160 He might be very good-looking.

00:57:04.480 Clearly, if he can attract other women, yes, he's got that social proof.

00:57:08.020 So it's sort of speaks.

00:57:10.780 I don't feel like that would at all interrupt a long-term prospect,

00:57:14.820 because I think if he likes you enough, or he's into you, or you have that connection.

00:57:18.200 He's going to cut the other girls off.

00:57:18.740 Yeah, I think so.

00:57:19.980 Like, I think if somebody really likes you and really wants to make that connection with you specifically,

00:57:25.300 then yeah, they're going to, like, cut off all their side people to pursue you,

00:57:29.780 and I think that that's oftentimes how it actually, like, does take place in the real world.

00:57:33.400 Well, I guess let me ask you this.

00:57:34.680 Do you think it's more likely that, are you more likely to end up in a long-term relationship

00:57:40.440 with a guy that really only dates one girl at a time, and you're his only prospect,

00:57:46.860 or getting with a player that's got seven chicks, and you're number eight on his roster,

00:57:52.620 and he calls you on Friday nights at 12 p.m., but you want to maybe, who knows, wait around.

00:57:57.520 You're such a great woman.

00:57:59.340 Maybe he'll come around, or are you just, he's just going to fuck you and chuck you.

00:58:04.320 That's not what I'm saying, though, because I'm not talking about, like, a player, like,

00:58:07.260 ooh, I'm going out with some guy, and he's, like, fucking every girl in the city.

00:58:10.020 I'm talking about going out with a guy who's having sex with, like, maybe one to two other people

00:58:14.940 who he's, like, also seeing, and then we meet, and then we decide that we really like each other,

00:58:20.680 and then we have, like, an open conversation about, like, not hooking up with other people,

00:58:23.960 and then that's how it goes.

00:58:24.900 Like, I would never seek out, nor have I ever sought out, a guy who's, like, having sex with, like,

00:58:31.040 20-plus girls at a time.

00:58:32.520 Like, that's just not my type.

00:58:33.760 I mean, that's a very top-tier.

00:58:36.140 I don't know how you'd even schedule that.

00:58:37.760 Okay, like, 10 girls at a time.

00:58:38.880 I mean, honestly, I do think when you start getting into the territory of a guy who's sleeping with

00:58:44.320 two or three women at a time, you are starting to get into the territory of top-tier male,

00:58:49.740 high-status male.

00:58:51.960 Yeah, I don't know.

00:58:53.400 Like, well, maybe not high-status male, but you are getting into a territory of

00:58:57.200 that guy is probably not likely to want to commit.

00:59:04.560 I could be wrong.

00:59:05.680 Did you want to come in, and then, Luke, I think you wanted to...

00:59:08.500 You can go first.

00:59:09.080 Okay.

00:59:09.300 Yeah.

00:59:09.740 So, okay, going back to, you know, like, you being bothered by this person...

00:59:15.080 Fucking other people.

00:59:16.000 Fucking other people and giving them the dinner that you bought.

00:59:18.380 I feel like, to me, that's weird because it's like an ego.

00:59:24.100 It's like giving, like, I'm insecure that this person's fucking other people, so it's

00:59:29.400 like my ego's in the way, and I'm making all these assumptions and creating these hypotheticals

00:59:34.720 and upset that this dinner's going to this, like, person that you don't even know.

00:59:39.140 You know, you don't even know.

00:59:40.340 And I think it's kind of, like, I think that if you're very casual, initial dating, like,

00:59:46.720 assuming that people are maybe seeing other people and there hasn't been a conversation

00:59:50.860 about where this is going or what's happening, and this is, like, your first time, like,

00:59:55.940 going on a date with someone.

00:59:57.280 And it's, like, kind of like what she said.

01:00:00.340 I don't think we're, like, going after these dudes that are, like, fucking all these girls

01:00:04.300 and just, like, you know, like, looking to just, like, have us look like clowns at the

01:00:08.480 end of the day.

01:00:09.080 But I just think if you're self-aware enough, you know that people that aren't on an app

01:00:13.760 are probably, like, seeing other people or talking to other people.

01:00:17.740 So that doesn't necessarily mean that they're fucking them.

01:00:21.760 I think you can make connections with people like we are now, and it's just, like, it doesn't

01:00:26.900 necessarily mean I'm going to fuck you, you know?

01:00:29.080 It's just, like, we, like, you messaged me on Hinge to come on this thing, you know?

01:00:33.900 And so it's kind of, like, it's good.

01:00:35.980 By the way, that is, I, I mean, that's one of the ways that I get people to come on the

01:00:43.200 show is they are on a dating app.

01:00:45.380 I'm, like, hey, come be on the show, da, da, da.

01:00:47.200 So go ahead.

01:00:47.680 Exactly.

01:00:48.120 So it's, like, not every, not every person on the app, like, you're not in there to be,

01:00:52.200 like, I'm going to fuck every single girl message.

01:00:54.240 Okay, if I'm on a date with a girl, I've already decided I want to sleep with her.

01:00:57.900 It might not happen, but most men, if they're on a date with a girl, even before we've even

01:01:03.120 met you, we know we want to sleep with you.

01:01:06.100 Girls typically don't work like that.

01:01:07.780 You'll figure it out within five or ten minutes.

01:01:10.200 You know if, am I going to sleep with him tonight, maybe a couple more dates, or just not

01:01:15.460 interested at all.

01:01:16.180 Wait, so you know that, like, before you even, what if you get catfished?

01:01:20.340 Have you, like, you're like, I know I'm going to fuck this girl, and then what if you meet

01:01:23.860 her and you're like, never mind.

01:01:25.940 This is not the same girl I was looking at.

01:01:29.180 It's, a girl has to severely fuck up in some way.

01:01:33.840 Women, you got to talk yourself out of getting laid, like.

01:01:37.200 So are your standards just low?

01:01:39.660 What do you, no.

01:01:40.220 Like, you just will fuck anyone, like, whose picture you're like, yeah, fuck yeah, I'm

01:01:44.760 going to fuck her.

01:01:45.420 Well, I mean, shocker, men are primarily, they're primarily focused on a woman's looks.

01:01:52.480 And it takes a lot as a woman to, like, talk your way out of sex with a guy.

01:01:56.800 Now, don't get me wrong.

01:01:57.660 I've definitely, like, met the girl, there's some, she's kind of weird, or I just, and

01:02:02.340 I've been like, I'm not interested, right?

01:02:04.840 But when I'm, show up on the date, like, I want to, I know ahead of time, like, she's

01:02:12.340 attractive, I want to sleep with her.

01:02:13.880 It's not that complicated.

01:02:15.720 Most men are like that.

01:02:17.820 They are.

01:02:18.380 And it's not, like, every single girl I'm matching with, I'm trying to, like, get on

01:02:22.340 a date, you know?

01:02:24.040 So.

01:02:25.340 But, okay, so to address it, you address a couple of the things you said.

01:02:29.320 So, I want to make it clear, like, I realize how the dating meta is, but this is just, and

01:02:36.600 it's interesting that you said it was about ego and me being insecure.

01:02:40.040 It has nothing to do with ego or insecurity.

01:02:42.820 It just happens to be my preference, my standard.

01:02:46.380 In the same way that women have all sorts of standards, preferences, and boundaries,

01:02:51.580 I happen to have a preference, standard, or boundary that relates to, hmm, by the way,

01:02:57.140 and, well, that relates to, I don't want the girl that I'm seeing.

01:03:01.560 By the way, it's not about controlling her either.

01:03:04.040 She's free to do whatever she wants.

01:03:05.940 But I, it is a turnoff for me if I'm on a date with a girl and maybe I'm going to sleep

01:03:11.960 with her the second date, the third date, maybe that night, who knows, and she fucked a

01:03:16.040 guy the night before.

01:03:16.980 She fucked a guy that morning.

01:03:18.540 To me, that's gross.

01:03:20.180 I would find that gross.

01:03:22.240 But you don't know that going into it, so.

01:03:24.700 Well, I don't.

01:03:25.400 So, and you don't ask.

01:03:26.360 There's ways to tell.

01:03:27.340 There's ways to tell.

01:03:28.120 There's ways.

01:03:28.620 So, they're not, not with certainty, but there are certain, you can see it in their behavior

01:03:33.760 a little bit if they're a bit more promiscuous, or you can see, there's just certain, there's

01:03:40.040 certain things that you can tell.

01:03:42.240 Have you been on a date and then fucked someone the day before or the week before?

01:03:46.440 Yeah.

01:03:47.460 Not, not in recent times.

01:03:49.360 So, okay.

01:03:51.760 So, now it's like, now mature you is like, I'm not down for that.

01:03:56.420 But reckless you is like, I'm fucking all these girls and going on all these dates the

01:04:00.740 next day.

01:04:00.840 I don't, I really have never, I've always valued, if I sleep with a girl, I want to

01:04:07.300 pursue that.

01:04:08.620 I want to see where it goes.

01:04:10.440 It might not end up being a long-term relationship, but I'm not interested in one-time things.

01:04:14.300 I'm not interested in one-night stands.

01:04:15.800 I'm not a big partier.

01:04:16.840 I don't, I barely drink.

01:04:18.560 I'll occasionally have a glass of wine or beer.

01:04:20.520 I don't go to bars.

01:04:21.440 I don't go to clubs.

01:04:22.200 I don't go to parties.

01:04:23.060 So, I'm not really into hookup culture.

01:04:24.640 If I'm dating a girl, if I go on a date with a girl, I want to pursue that.

01:04:29.700 A girl has to severely fuck up for me to sleep with her once and never want to talk to her

01:04:34.520 again.

01:04:35.160 I will continue seeing her.

01:04:37.160 Are you a serial monogamer?

01:04:39.400 Monogamer?

01:04:40.040 Yeah.

01:04:40.620 Monogamous, monogamous.

01:04:42.400 Monogamer.

01:04:42.960 I made up the word.

01:04:44.400 Monogamer.

01:04:44.760 Monogamer.

01:04:45.160 You're a serial monogamer.

01:04:46.900 Sounds like a Pokemon.

01:04:47.860 Yeah, I know.

01:04:48.800 Well, do you just, like, do you, I guess, I guess it depends, right?

01:04:51.920 So, I think maybe our perspective is different, but also I, like, may be jaded, probably.

01:04:57.120 Probably.

01:04:57.560 A little bit.

01:04:57.900 So, but I think, you know, it depends on, like, how you look at dating.

01:05:02.780 For me, personally, I don't really look at dating in that way because I feel like when

01:05:07.580 I go into a date, like, thinking, like, I'm going to fuck this guy or I'm going to go

01:05:11.740 out with this guy or this guy's going to be my man.

01:05:13.900 Like, you just, like, you just, like, put all this pressure unnecessarily into, like, the

01:05:19.180 date instead of just, like, enjoying the date for what it is.

01:05:21.820 It could be just, like, a connection where you had a bad day and maybe, like, this person,

01:05:26.680 you went on this date and it was lighthearted and it was fun and you didn't have to think

01:05:30.060 about, you know, work or responsibilities.

01:05:32.220 All right.

01:05:32.360 And then that was it.

01:05:33.560 So, it's, like, but if I go into it and I'm, like, already, like, I'm going to fuck this

01:05:37.360 guy and if I fuck him, it's, like, I have to see this guy again.

01:05:40.460 It has to go somewhere.

01:05:41.700 I guess I just don't really look at it that way because I also think it takes a while to

01:05:45.720 really get to know someone.

01:05:46.860 Like, I don't know someone after one date.

01:05:48.800 Right.

01:05:49.020 Well, first off, I would never go on a date with a girl just for the experience.

01:05:55.900 Just, oh, I'm having, I just need to blow off some steam.

01:05:59.120 I'm kind of bored.

01:06:00.920 Girls will go on dates because they're bored.

01:06:03.060 Okay.

01:06:03.660 He's asking me to, I guess I'll go.

01:06:05.740 I would never do that.

01:06:06.920 Like, if I'm going on a date with a girl, I have a genuine interest in seeing her.

01:06:10.920 And maybe there's not a connection on the date, but I'm going to pursue it.

01:06:15.840 So, for me, there's never a scenario where it's, like, yeah, I'm just, like, looking to

01:06:22.380 network, go on a date, you know, maybe, like, I'm going in with some intentions.

01:06:28.500 Now, and by the way, I don't have, I want to make something clear.

01:06:30.700 I don't have necessarily an expectation on the date.

01:06:33.320 Like, there's no expectation, like, this girl has to sleep with, no, no, no, not at all.

01:06:36.760 Like, I'm actually, like, not pressed at all to get laid.

01:06:39.940 Like, we can wait a little bit.

01:06:41.340 That's fine.

01:06:42.380 Not too long, though.

01:06:43.180 But, I don't know, I think three dates, three, four dates is a good.

01:06:47.460 He's, like, 45 minutes.

01:06:49.000 Yeah, let's, you know, come on, guys, come on.

01:06:50.840 But, no, so, and I'm just trying to remember the last part of your thing.

01:06:56.280 And so, you were saying.

01:06:58.440 I forgot what I was saying.

01:06:59.180 Yeah, I don't know.

01:07:00.000 I guess it's just, okay, I guess to finish it off, it depends on, I think this is where, like, what we talked about earlier, like, transparency.

01:07:09.160 I think that's where it's, like, big.

01:07:11.020 Because it's, like, if you go into a date and I know, like, I have no expectations.

01:07:15.920 I could be, like, I've, some of the guys that I went on dates with, like, I'm, like, good friends with.

01:07:20.540 And they're just, like, you know, we connected and, like, they do all types of different work.

01:07:24.860 And it's just, like, cool to know different people.

01:07:27.020 But that's part of, like, the fun in it.

01:07:29.160 Because I feel like if you've dated or been in a relationship and you figure out what you don't like, how do you find out what you do like if not by dating different people?

01:07:38.580 I mean, that's, like, the whole point of dating, to, like, meet people and, like, see what qualities you like in someone, see what qualities you don't.

01:07:45.720 And I'm not going to know that if I just, like, simp and stay with one dude after one date when I don't know him.

01:07:52.180 It's, like, I'm going to, I'm not necessarily, I usually only sleep with, like, one person at a time.

01:07:57.040 So it's, like, you know, but if I'm getting to know people, I'm pretty open about it.

01:08:01.560 And if someone's not, like, down with it, then it's kind of probably, like, it just, like, wouldn't, you know, I'm, like, very casual.

01:08:10.200 Okay.

01:08:10.900 Well, I'll bring it back to my, and I'll let you come in because I know you wanted to come in here.

01:08:14.980 So just to kind of wrap up my whole thing with this whole, I would have an issue with going on a date with a girl.

01:08:21.640 And whether I know it or not, I mean, I'm kind of going in with that assumption.

01:08:26.360 My issue with her sleeping with someone else, I mean, there's quite a few reasons.

01:08:32.300 And it, I mean, that can sort of lead us into the discussion about body count.

01:08:37.200 But it's just, to me, it's just the thought of sleeping with a girl that is simultaneously sleeping with someone else is just gross.

01:08:50.320 Like, you're letting another guy come in you, and then I'm going to fuck you.

01:08:54.000 Like, to me, that is disgusting.

01:08:55.240 Well, who said they're coming in you?

01:08:56.040 You're, like, who said they're coming?

01:08:57.720 See, I feel like we're.

01:08:58.480 Bro, these girls beyond birth control.

01:08:59.780 Come on, dude.

01:09:00.720 I feel like we're.

01:09:01.360 Come on, dude.

01:09:01.520 I feel like we're getting ahead of the game.

01:09:03.100 Come on, dude.

01:09:03.360 We don't really know.

01:09:04.820 That's where it kind of depends.

01:09:06.060 It's like, well, who are you fucking?

01:09:07.240 Who are you going on these dates?

01:09:08.740 Because if you're going with these girls that are, like, you know, have a fucking 30-man roster,

01:09:14.020 then it's like, yeah, they're probably, you know, shit's getting wild, but it's like.

01:09:17.660 Even unassuming women, even very unassuming women, you'd be surprised.

01:09:26.280 Bro, they'd be fucking, I'm telling you.

01:09:28.680 Same with guys.

01:09:29.080 You'd probably be fucking, too, so I don't know.

01:09:30.800 Hey, guys, too.

01:09:31.700 Guys, guys, too are fucking.

01:09:34.320 Everyone's fucking, apparently.

01:09:35.540 Everyone's fucking, but for me, I just, I got an issue with it.

01:09:39.260 First off, to me, it's just men throughout all of human history have had, men value sexual

01:09:46.820 purity in women, and when I say purity, that could mean, that could certainly mean virginity,

01:09:51.400 but, I mean, that's, okay, that's not happening anymore.

01:09:55.620 That's pretty rare, but men throughout all of human history have valued virginity, but

01:10:00.640 in the 2022 days, we just don't want the town bicycle.

01:10:07.560 We don't want the, we don't want hoes.

01:10:11.880 We might hook up with a hoe.

01:10:14.140 We might, we might sleep with a hoe, but for a long-term relationship, not.

01:10:19.780 What's a hoe?

01:10:21.020 A promiscuous woman.

01:10:22.420 So someone that has, like, because they're having sex while they're talking to you, or

01:10:26.760 just, like, someone that's fucking multiple, like, what, like.

01:10:29.980 It's a spectrum.

01:10:31.180 There's a spectrum.

01:10:31.700 There's a spectrum of hone in?

01:10:32.840 There's a, there's a hoe spectrum.

01:10:34.660 What's on the low end?

01:10:36.000 Yeah.

01:10:36.300 What's, yeah, low end of the hoe.

01:10:39.480 Please define.

01:10:41.040 I mean, it gets into a bit of body count, but I mean, I would say on the low end, like,

01:10:47.300 it might not even have to be having sex with another guy while she's talking to you, but

01:10:53.340 I would say, like, just for the simplicity of this conversation, if I'm going on a date

01:11:00.100 with a girl and we're, it's, we're going to hook up maybe on the second or third date

01:11:04.440 or whatever, if she's sleeping with another guy and continues to see him, I consider that

01:11:08.720 a promiscuous woman.

01:11:10.480 If she's sleeping with more than one person at a time, I consider that to be promiscuity.

01:11:16.160 You're, and by the way, I want to make something very clear.

01:11:17.760 You're free to do whatever you want.

01:11:19.920 You want to sleep with 10 guys?

01:11:21.440 Do it.

01:11:22.500 But I'm also free to not want to take you seriously in the long-term relationship because

01:11:27.300 you're doing that.

01:11:28.760 Just like, by the way, a woman is totally, I don't want to like paint this like only guys

01:11:32.980 can feel this way.

01:11:34.060 A woman, maybe you guys know some very naive, innocent women, and they might, they might

01:11:38.640 have a preference of, I don't want to date the player.

01:11:40.660 I want to date a guy who's maybe, the thing is though, is I think women care a little

01:11:45.900 bit less about the guy's body count.

01:11:47.880 Most women like care more, they want an experienced guy, whereas most guys are going to be like,

01:11:52.300 give me an inexperienced girl.

01:11:55.660 So, yeah.

01:11:57.520 Different strokes for different folks.

01:11:59.280 I'm like.

01:12:00.360 Is it, this might be shocking to some of you.

01:12:01.920 I don't know.

01:12:02.660 Because a lot of guys cannot be honest about these sorts of things because they're going

01:12:07.240 to, insecure, ego.

01:12:09.960 So, there's going to, it's going to be.

01:12:11.140 That one really hurt you.

01:12:12.360 Oh, deeply.

01:12:13.000 It's never impacted my dating life.

01:12:15.980 How many guys I've had sex with.

01:12:17.340 I don't even think like my current boyfriend who I've been dating for two years has ever

01:12:20.300 even asked me how many guys I've had sex with.

01:12:22.360 And I don't think he would care.

01:12:24.180 You don't think he would care?

01:12:24.980 Honestly, God, he wouldn't.

01:12:25.200 Your current boyfriend.

01:12:25.840 I know for a fact he wouldn't care.

01:12:27.220 So, if you told him that you've slept with a hundred men before him, you don't think he

01:12:31.240 would care?

01:12:32.460 He'd be like, I've been fucking you for two years now, so I don't really care because like,

01:12:36.500 he've only been with me for those two years.

01:12:38.360 So, I mean, and I haven't.

01:12:41.240 You should ask him tonight.

01:12:41.860 Let me set the record straight.

01:12:43.560 I definitely have not, but if I had, I don't think he would care.

01:12:47.760 He's watching this, so.

01:12:49.120 Oh, what's up?

01:12:49.960 Is he also an attorney?

01:12:51.540 No, he's not.

01:12:52.660 Okay.

01:12:52.760 Yeah.

01:12:54.260 Maybe he can let us know in the chat.

01:12:56.700 I doubt he's going.

01:12:57.800 But anyway, so.

01:12:59.400 Okay.

01:12:59.980 So, I mean, also there's just a few other reasons.

01:13:03.360 It's just like, if they're promiscuous, there's a STD risk.

01:13:08.680 It's just, there's a whole bunch of reasons.

01:13:10.640 Luke, sorry, I know you wanted to come in, so I'll let you come in then.

01:13:13.460 Yeah.

01:13:13.820 I'm honestly going to call, like, the whole paying for dating thing has kind of passed,

01:13:18.440 but, oh, god damn.

01:13:20.320 Sorry, I love the motorcycle.

01:13:21.180 Yeah, I love the motorcycles.

01:13:23.140 Vroom, vroom.

01:13:24.560 No, I think.

01:13:25.360 So, you wanted to come in on the.

01:13:26.800 No, I want to come in on the body count thing now.

01:13:29.580 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:29.960 I think that's such a, that's, it's a really difficult one because me personally, I find

01:13:36.380 it really unattractive if a woman has a long extension history of just nonstop.

01:13:42.780 Yeah.

01:13:43.480 Of just hooking up with multiple guys.

01:13:46.220 I think it shows that she can't commit to someone, she can't stay with someone, and

01:13:50.520 same thing goes for a guy.

01:13:51.640 I think it's different.

01:13:53.480 I think there is a difference there.

01:13:55.740 If guys, like, hook up with a bunch of women, then it makes them players, but if a girl hooks

01:14:00.880 up with a bunch of guys, then she's a hoe.

01:14:03.620 That's, like, the societal standard, but I think there's a point to it where it's, like,

01:14:08.420 girls can demand, girls, it's easier for a girl to get a man than it is for a man to

01:14:12.900 get a girl, and that's, that's very objective because there are some women that, you know,

01:14:17.200 can struggle with getting a guy and vice versa.

01:14:20.820 So, it, I think it comes down to a respect thing for the people you're hooking up with,

01:14:25.300 as well as the respect for yourself where it's like, hey, why am I going and hooking

01:14:30.020 up with, you know, it might not be 20, but just for conversation's sake, let's say she's

01:14:35.400 hooking up with 20 different dudes at a time.

01:14:37.060 I think there's something really, like, wrong, maybe mentally, but also just sexually, like,

01:14:43.340 you're wanting to exchange, like, energy with 20 other people that you barely know.

01:14:50.060 Yeah.

01:14:51.600 Based.

01:14:52.320 Based Luke.

01:14:53.020 Can we get some Luke X in the chat?

01:14:56.140 To be clear, I don't think anyone's, like, I don't think we're saying, like, anyone's,

01:15:00.140 like, fucking 20 dudes.

01:15:01.220 I just think that there's, like, for sure a double standard, and I think that if, if

01:15:06.500 we're not serious, if we don't even know if we like each other, and if we're figuring

01:15:12.260 out, like, what we want out of it, and it, like, we communicate that, I think, like, everyone

01:15:18.340 should be able to do whatever the fuck they want.

01:15:20.240 Wait, what's the double standard?

01:15:21.960 I think that kind of what he was saying, where it's, like, men can, like, fuck all these

01:15:26.760 girls and be, you know, players, and women can do it, and then they're hoes, and he says

01:15:32.000 there's, like, a point to it, but I think it kind of, it ties into, like, if we're talking

01:15:37.240 about equality, right, and then we're talking about, well, with the paying, it's a little

01:15:42.360 bit, it gets a little hazy, where we want men to pay, well, then here, it's, like, a

01:15:46.340 little bit hazy, it's, like, now it's, like, oh, that's super bad, you're a non-traditional

01:15:50.740 woman, and you're a hoe, and it's, like, you know, I just don't, I don't, I think you

01:15:55.660 can, I think you can date, and, like, be casual without, like, you don't necessarily

01:16:00.900 need to fuck 20 guys, but I also think that if you do, then who fucking cares?

01:16:07.040 Yeah.

01:16:07.780 So.

01:16:08.420 Well, I think, again, what I was saying on the fact that, like, women have the opportunity,

01:16:13.640 like, there's a saying, women will sleep with who they want, men will sleep with who

01:16:16.700 they can, if you've ever heard that, I think there's a point to it, because, like you were

01:16:20.380 saying earlier, if, if, again, I don't have Tinder, but I know how it works.

01:16:25.660 If I see a girl that I want to start dating, it's not going to be on her, like, personality

01:16:30.300 chart, because you're not going to learn shit from a little bio, it's going to be mainly

01:16:34.480 off her looks, and then I'm hoping, through the interaction with her, that I'm going to,

01:16:38.840 like, oh, she's actually, like, a really cool individual, I want to get to know her more.

01:16:43.960 Whereas, but there is still that, like, you know, thought, like, I want to hook up with

01:16:49.020 this girl, whereas for a girl, she'll just do it for attention, or, and again, it's, you know,

01:16:54.080 I'm not taking away credit from the people who actually want a relationship, or are just

01:16:57.660 using it to hook up, but there are some women that use it just to get attention, they have

01:17:03.020 no, you know, intention of going any further with a guy, and so I think there should be,

01:17:09.640 there honestly should be a dating app where it, it allows you to, because Tinder and Bumble

01:17:15.420 are both used heavily for just one night stand hookups, like meeting someone without actually

01:17:21.300 interacting with them in the real world, you're just seeing some pictures, saying, hey, matched,

01:17:26.900 let's hook up. I think there should be something that says, hey, I'm ready to get into a devoted

01:17:33.320 relationship with someone, if you're the same, we should start talking, if you're just looking

01:17:38.280 for a hookup, don't talk to me, because I know you're going to have, you know, side options

01:17:42.680 that you're going to be using, because again, you're not looking for something, like, you're not

01:17:49.060 looking for something stable in that scenario, I'm not really looking for anything stable

01:17:52.740 right now, so I can, you know, it's a little ironic that I'm saying it, but, no, I get

01:17:58.040 that, it is a little ironic that I'm saying it. Well, you're talking, like, idealistically,

01:18:02.180 right? Yeah, and if, and again, if I wanted to get into, like, a really, really long-term

01:18:07.980 relationship, I don't want to have the thought, like, oh, this girl has, you know, two other

01:18:13.860 dudes that she's talking to, which is the case almost 100% of the time right now, especially

01:18:19.100 for, like, me coming out of high school, you guys said you were coming out of high school

01:18:22.760 as well? Yeah. Yeah. It's, the age right now is so, like, garnered to this hookup culture,

01:18:28.320 and it's so easy with, like, Snapchat and Tinder to just, you know, hit someone up, say,

01:18:34.700 hey, I think you're hot or whatever, and get with someone.

01:18:36.820 Do you want to come in on, or, well, I'll answer. We can switch it up. Yeah, so, so, you mentioned

01:18:46.840 the double standard. What, what is, just explain, you, what were you referencing in terms of the

01:18:51.060 double standard? I don't remember at this point. Oh, that, that, uh, I think it was that guys,

01:18:57.060 guys can hook up with people and consider the player. Well, to, to, okay, so Luke made a good

01:19:01.380 point, just to end that thing. So, I think that, yeah, I think you're totally right, but it's,

01:19:07.380 like, so, right now, you're not looking for anything, so you're probably, like, more casual

01:19:12.340 than you normally would be. Yeah. So, it, exactly, it kind of depends. If I'm, it's, like, if you're

01:19:18.060 getting serious with someone, then it's, like, yeah, obviously, it's, like, you don't want your

01:19:22.340 significant other fucking 20 other people, okay? Yeah. But it's, like, if you're casual, then do you

01:19:28.200 really care? I still think it is a thing because, as I said earlier, I think there is an energy,

01:19:34.500 like, passing when you have sex with someone. It's not just, like, some platonic, like, you know,

01:19:39.860 I'm fucking her and then I'm done. Like, there is some type of bond that you create. Yeah. When you

01:19:44.540 have sex with someone. And so, I think for, you know, a guy to go hook up with a bunch of different

01:19:49.420 girls that have hooked up with a bunch of different guys, it's kind of, like, I guess, dirtying the water

01:19:55.780 of your energy, if that makes sense. It, it just, it, it kind of muddies your whole sexual and

01:20:04.080 relationship, like, feel and, and attitude. It's more of a, again, it's more of a hookup.

01:20:15.420 Does anybody else on the panel want to come, come in on this discussion? I want to comment on that

01:20:20.020 one. I think it's called, like, energy transferring. Yeah. Like, if someone's a shitty person and you

01:20:24.440 fuck them, you're going to get that shitty energy from them and you're going to manifest,

01:20:27.280 like, a bad, like, life day. I don't know. I don't think it's just a bad, like, day. I think it,

01:20:34.340 it, it transfers over and, you know, I, I don't want to say, like, oh, you know, everybody has their

01:20:42.480 own energies and all this. And if you, if you sleep with someone messed up, you're going to pass that

01:20:47.260 bad energy onto yourself and then it's going to go to the next person. But I, you know, there should

01:20:51.960 be some thought into who you're hooking up with. No, I definitely agree on that. I just, like,

01:20:58.000 I'm not saying you can hook up. I think it's completely fine. Do what you want to do. Everyone

01:21:01.920 should be able to, but I think you should be a little bit selective of who you do choose to do

01:21:06.680 that with. Word. So as far as the double standard goes, just to address that whole thing. So I believe

01:21:14.580 that the double standard is justified. Here's why. What's that? I said elaborate. So, and I think Luke

01:21:24.440 put it something like, women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who they can. So it's incredibly

01:21:32.020 easy for women to sleep with men. Whereas it's quite hard for men to sleep with women. It's, it's

01:21:38.500 challenging. It's hard. It's difficult. So that's why it's kind of like, if a guy can sleep with a lot

01:21:48.280 of women, that's like kind of impressive. Like that takes something. He's got game. He's got,

01:21:56.200 he, he's got some sort of status. He's smooth with the ladies. You don't need to, as a woman to sleep

01:22:03.800 with a lot of men. You don't need to be smooth. You don't need game. You just show up. I'm at the

01:22:11.480 bar. I'm at the club. The guys will come to you. You don't have to really do anything. If, if any

01:22:18.440 girl here goes to a nightclub tonight, goes to a bar tonight, goes to a party tonight, just stand in

01:22:24.220 the corner. Some guys coming to talk to you. Probably multiple guys are coming to talk to you. Let me buy

01:22:29.340 you a drink. How's your night going? Most men, most men, if they go to a bar club, whatever party,

01:22:36.680 just stand there alone. Nobody's talking to them the entire night. They're going to stand there

01:22:40.920 alone, like a loser, like a dork. Nobody's going to talk to them. No girls are going to hit on them.

01:22:47.200 Most, if you let's say an average man versus an average woman, even the average woman goes to a bar

01:22:52.560 club. Some guy's going to hit on her. Average guy at a bar, bro. He's ignored the entire night. So

01:22:59.900 it's, it's easy for y'all to get laid for men. That's just hard. You disagree because I guess

01:23:05.500 you, apparently it's sort of the reverse for you. I also like those type of guys that like,

01:23:09.720 like shy and like mysterious. So if I see like a man in the corner and like no one's socializing

01:23:15.480 with him, I will go up to him and create a conversation. Really? Have you done that before?

01:23:19.520 Yes, I have actually. You have? Yeah. Uh, like at a, what? At a college party? Yeah. Okay. I'm the guy.

01:23:30.340 You're the girl. Okay. Hit on me. Oh God. This is going to be horrible. What do you do? Um, okay. Well,

01:23:37.660 if there's music, I'll be like, like, like bouncing over just a little. I'll be like, Hey, like,

01:23:44.360 what are you up to? And then what, what am I up to? Yeah. I met this party, which you are also at.

01:23:52.440 Anyways, I'm just, I'm bad. See, cause when I see them, then I'll like try to think of what I'll do.

01:23:58.060 Like I can't do it on the spot. I'm going to need courage for that. Okay. Fair enough. Um, so

01:24:05.040 I said my piece, you guys were kind of grimacing over there. Do you guys want to come in?

01:24:11.580 I think it's easy to get laid if you're down to just like sleep with any guy. Like, but most women

01:24:18.700 aren't. And I, I just, I just don't think it's true. I mean, that's just how I feel.

01:24:23.700 Just be specific though. What's not true? I think that it's very hard for some women

01:24:28.040 to get laid. Uh, yeah. If you want to just get laid by any creep or whatever, and like,

01:24:33.340 it's like, you're literally just like being a vagina at that point, then of course, but if you

01:24:37.740 actually want to like meet a guy that you're interested in and have sex with him, then you're

01:24:42.880 not going to necessarily have an easy time just by like standing in a bar and meeting some guy.

01:24:47.780 I think it can be really hard to, um, like talk up with guys. I don't think it's like super

01:24:53.360 easy and that you have like billions of guys rushing to you trying to hook up.

01:24:57.420 Um, I'm sure it's the same for men, but I just don't agree. Like in that stark separation,

01:25:02.940 like that's never been my experience. So I don't know. I mean, maybe some girls.

01:25:07.920 I could take every single girl at this table down to the street right there.

01:25:12.520 Yeah. To a creepy, like homeless. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I could, I could find you a guy

01:25:17.500 that is at least as attractive as you are. Your male looks equivalent who would sleep with you that

01:25:23.760 night. Who would just show up and be like, please, can I sleep with you?

01:25:26.860 Or like, that's what I'm saying. Like, if, if you were so inclined, you wouldn't even have to say,

01:25:33.020 come down there with me. Not, we're not going to actually do this. I'll go up to the guy on your

01:25:38.000 behalf and I'll say, I'll pretend to be your gay best friend. I'll go up to the dude. Let's fucking

01:25:43.260 Blake or whatever. Well, we don't know his name yet, but I'll go up to the guy and say, Hey,

01:25:47.620 what's up? Hey, do you see, you see my girlfriend over there? She thinks she's a bit shy. She thinks

01:25:51.680 you're really cute. Like, bro, she's kind of down. Like, just go say hi to her. Boom, boom. It's,

01:25:56.760 he'll go. So, but the friend though, like you don't know, you can't just walk up to the people's

01:26:03.100 situation. So different. I'll go up to the next guy that walks by and then the next and the next.

01:26:07.360 So I could do that for you. And I'm sure I'd find somebody who wants to hook up with you as well.

01:26:10.580 No, no, no. Because here's the difference. And I mean, I know this is a very hypothetical scenario.

01:26:14.660 I could walk up to a guy and say, that's my girlfriend over there. We're just friends.

01:26:19.260 She thinks you're cute. She's, you know, go, go say hi to her. She's interested, blah, blah, blah.

01:26:26.460 He wouldn't, he would be like, Oh sweet dude. Fucking awesome. Like that's probably never

01:26:30.960 happened to me. If it was the reverse and I was with my female friend and you approached a female

01:26:37.900 on my behalf, that girl you go, you go up to, she'd be like, was he a pussy? Why can't he come up to me

01:26:43.540 himself? Immediately. She's going to be like, she's just by the fact of you going up, she's going

01:26:48.860 to be turned off by that. Why can't he come up to me himself? He's right there. He's too shy. I don't

01:26:54.120 want a shy guy. See ya. So this scenario doesn't work in the reverse. It could, but there's no way

01:27:01.060 you're, someone's going to talk. I'm not going to, there's no agent that's going to talk me into

01:27:05.940 getting to bed with a, with a woman. I would have to do it myself. I don't know. We could try.

01:27:12.300 So there's so many factors that go into that. So many personality factors that go into that. So

01:27:17.580 many like different things that you'd have to consider. I just don't think it's that black

01:27:21.500 and white, but I understand where you're coming from. Well, okay. So I'm just, I mean, again,

01:27:26.340 this is a hypothetical scenario, but if I was out with a female friend and I told her, I was like,

01:27:31.500 Hey, you see that girl over there? She's really cute. Can you go talk to her for me? And then you go,

01:27:36.020 she goes and talks to the girl and she tells the girl, Hey, go up to him. He thinks you're cute.

01:27:41.720 She, she's going to be like, nah, she's going to like, she's going to be like, he can come to me

01:27:46.520 like, nah. In that situation. Yeah. That's kind of weird. But like, that's not how anything takes

01:27:52.500 place. It's more likely that I'm going to DM some guy I'm friends with and be like, Oh my, my friend

01:27:57.740 who's a girl thinks you're hot dude. Like here's her Instagram or whatever. And then he's like, or like

01:28:02.560 vice versa. Like if I have a guy friend, I've literally done this with Alex or I've been like, Oh,

01:28:07.540 my guy friend, um, or whatever. Like I've told him that like, I had a cute, like single girlfriend

01:28:13.060 and he messaged her through Instagram, but I was like the coordinator. Okay. Right. But did,

01:28:19.540 why didn't the girl message him? Because I like, I don't know, but, but okay. So all I'm saying is

01:28:26.880 like in the, in, in the online realm, I think that these things function a lot differently. And I think

01:28:32.220 that that's how people date for the most part now for like, it's not really like me going up to some

01:28:36.440 random guy on the street and being like, Oh, Hey, you know, it's so good to meet you.

01:28:40.580 What I would actually say is that on dating apps and on social media, what I'm talking about here

01:28:45.780 is actually more pronounced than it is in real life because on dating apps, you're just, it's just

01:28:52.580 looks on Tinder. People are just looking at looks. So, and what they've actually done some sort of,

01:28:59.700 experiments or studies on this, the top 10% of men on Tinder are just, they get the lion's share.

01:29:08.480 So you have 80% of the women that are chasing after the top 10% of men because men, men rate women

01:29:14.680 on the bell curve in terms of attractiveness, but women, I think something like find 80% of men

01:29:20.920 unattractive, physically unattractive. And they've done studies on this on OkCupid. And we can go around

01:29:27.180 the table really quick. Like of the men that you see, let's say on the dating app or in day to day

01:29:31.840 interactions, what percent of men would you say you find physically attractive? They don't have to be

01:29:36.180 a male model, but you find physically attractive. 40%, 40%. Okay. 25. Okay. I know we're in your,

01:29:44.540 wait, is this in hinge? Wait, is this just in my life? You could, let's just say dating apps.

01:29:49.840 I guess like maybe what percent of men would you, I know you're in a relationship right now,

01:29:53.840 but what percent of men would you? Like 15 to 20%. Okay. Same, probably. 15 to 20. Okay.

01:29:59.240 Oh, I don't know. I always go based off of the looks first, so. She goes based off looks. Okay. So

01:30:04.440 what, I mean, are you on the dating app right now? Nope. Um, in person, what just, if you had to throw

01:30:09.720 a number out? Like 55%. Okay. That's fair. Um, well, Luke, you're not dating men, so. No. Um,

01:30:21.880 but I can ask you what percentage of women would you say you find, you don't, they don't have to be

01:30:27.400 like top tier model girls, but what percent of women would you say you find physically attractive

01:30:32.800 either on dating apps or in person? Again, that I see probably like 50, 60. Okay. I'm going to chime

01:30:42.080 in real quick. I'd say, and for me, I'd say like at least here in IV, honestly, like 80% of the women

01:30:47.800 I see in Isla Vista, I think are physically attractive, but go ahead. You said you wanted to wait. Same,

01:30:53.240 same with men. Like there's some pretty good looking guys. Okay. Fair enough. Go ahead. Okay. Well,

01:31:00.080 I just think it's interesting. We're talking about how, you know, you guys are like not into hookup

01:31:05.800 culture, but we're like going, you know, you also just kind of go based off looks and whether you

01:31:11.400 want to like fuck someone right away. So then it's like, I have other, I have other. Okay. So let's,

01:31:17.000 so what do you find? So what do you look at on a hinge profile? Like if we're talking like,

01:31:22.680 is it just like, do you guys just, I mean most go off of physical, I only have hinge, so I don't

01:31:27.940 know Tinder, but like, is it just physical or do you like read people's shit? I read, I read girls

01:31:33.880 stuff. Um, and I actually think the highest amount, the, the way to get the most matches and the most

01:31:40.700 success is actually like to read the prompts. And if you can do something clever, um, but even then,

01:31:45.440 or say something clever in response to a hinge prompt. But, um, I mean, it starts with appearance.

01:31:50.860 Um, and then, I mean, honestly, I'm not going to lie. Most, most girls dating profiles are bogus,

01:32:00.240 like weak, weak. There's some good ones. There's some good ones, but, uh, I mean, it starts with

01:32:07.620 looks, but I mean, I think for a lot of men, if they don't like for me, I'm interested in more long

01:32:14.400 to, if, if it's just casual, like one time thing, I think guys are going to prioritize looks, but I

01:32:20.420 prioritize other things and I can get into it. I have some, I have some, uh, traits here, some traits

01:32:26.740 and I've written them down. Um, so here we go. And this is a whole bunch, a woman not need have all

01:32:33.000 of these, but if she does, she's a unicorn. So youthful, feminine, fidelitous from the jump.

01:32:43.040 What is that? Fidelity, fidelitous, so sexual faithfulness, um, peaceful, pleasant, not quarrelsome,

01:32:52.760 doesn't nag, gentle, innocent, modest, humble, demure, temperance, cooperative, submissive.

01:33:01.220 And that word gets a bad rap, but to put it another way, willful cooperation. Um, so follows my

01:33:07.880 lead, right? Because here's the thing. Like, I know you guys are kind of grimacing

01:33:12.860 or whatever, but like a lot of y'all will say, I want a guy who's successful, ambitious,

01:33:17.200 confident, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You want all these things in a man, right?

01:33:20.820 You want to, maybe you want a guy who's dominant. Well, if you want that, you have to, there's,

01:33:25.940 there can't be two leaders. I believe in a relationship. Someone has to lead. That's my

01:33:31.460 take. You guys might disagree. That's totally fine. I'll give you a few more. Um, not obese,

01:33:36.320 obese, fit, petite, boobs. I don't really care. I mean, I'm not going to front. I kind of,

01:33:42.940 I'm kind of team small boobs. Okay. Nice ass is good. Doesn't have plastic surgery. Not a fan of

01:33:51.500 plastic surgery. No BBL, no fake breasts, no lipo, no fake lips. Doesn't kick on makeup or wears no

01:33:57.960 makeup. That's my preference. Has long hair, shaves her body hair, not a hoe, not the town bicycle.

01:34:03.820 So low body count. Uh, doesn't post overly revealing photos online. Uh, no like sex work

01:34:12.780 currently or in the past. Not a single mother. Doesn't party. Doesn't go to bars, clubs, drinks

01:34:18.340 in moderation, or doesn't drink at a hall. So those, those are some. And you said you're

01:34:22.840 single, correct? So what are you looking for? What, what, what's, that's just a really long

01:34:29.540 list. Well, I mean, some of them are, uh, a bit repetitive, but were there any in particular

01:34:35.780 that you took issue with? Because a lot of these are fairly, not particularly difficult

01:34:41.100 for a woman to do. What's your definition of feminine? What's my definition of feminine?

01:34:46.340 Yeah. I mean, some of the, some of the words that I used in this list are what would be considered

01:34:52.820 traditional, traditional sort of feminine traits or characteristics. So, so feminine, like a bit

01:35:02.340 more demure, for example. I don't want some loud, obnoxious chick. No offense. And what you said, um,

01:35:11.780 about posting revealing stuff on like Instagram. So like, again, your definition of revealing

01:35:19.620 like bikini pics. Yeah. I'll tolerate it. I'll tolerate it. So men and women flirt differently. So

01:35:31.220 men, we have to go up to you, but women, the way women flirt is by being there. Let me ask,

01:35:41.460 do you get, do you get DMS from guys on Instagram that are romantically interested in you? Any,

01:35:47.800 any girls at this table? A few. Okay. So this is going to piss some people off, but like

01:35:59.460 you receive attention in different ways. I don't get any DMS from women. Most men, the vast majority

01:36:06.400 of men will never get a DM from a woman in their life in terms of a romantic interest. As a woman,

01:36:13.160 you just post some photos, bikini photo, tons of DMS coming in from dudes, sugar daddies. Let me pay

01:36:19.660 you a thousand dollars to take you to Starbucks. That's how women flirt. You just have to show up,

01:36:25.000 right? So it's a bit different. Bikini photos, whatever. Fine. I will, I would say though, like,

01:36:30.100 I'm just going to be totally honest. I do prefer women who dress a bit more modestly and have a

01:36:34.500 public facing modesty. That's, that's just, I want to make something clear. Women are free to post

01:36:42.760 bikini photos. That's totally fine. But this is just a preference and a standard of mine.

01:36:48.640 So then what, if you'll tolerate bikini pics, it's what's your stance on like guys posting

01:36:57.320 shirtless pics or like, if it's different, it's a bit different because like guys, we don't really

01:37:04.420 get DMS like that. Like we don't really get that sort of attention. I can pull out my phone and look

01:37:09.760 at tons of fitness influencers or guys on Tik TOK who, yeah, that's their job. Yeah. But they post thirst

01:37:16.400 traps and they may not get a ton of DMS, but they've got tons of thirsty comments. And I mean,

01:37:23.940 I know they all get DMS. I mean the bikini photo thing, it's, it's fairly low on my totem pole of

01:37:30.500 importance. Like it's not to me, it's not so much a deal breaker, but it, would it be my preference

01:37:36.220 if a girl just didn't even have social media? Probably that would be my preference if she had

01:37:42.540 no social media. Why? Because that's how women flirt is to be out there in the ether. Now,

01:37:50.320 now she, listen, I mean, if it's a little, this is giving red flags, I'm not going to lie.

01:37:55.980 See, but, but here's the interesting thing is that men, men are not allowed to have preferences,

01:38:03.280 standards, and boundaries. Nobody bats an eye when a woman says, I want X, Y, Z in a partner.

01:38:08.940 But the moment a guy says, here are my boundaries, boundaries, preferences, and standards. Oh,

01:38:15.520 misogyny, red flag, this, that. And the fact of the matter is women are more picky than men are.

01:38:21.740 Women, and I'm, maybe you guys disagree. Women have far more standards for men than do men have

01:38:28.800 standards for women. Men are, women are incredibly picky, not just looks wise, but also certain

01:38:35.980 character, character traits. Nobody bats an eye when a woman has, like I said, wants X, Y, Z. But if a

01:38:43.720 guy says, I want X, Y, Z, insecure, misogyny, blah, blah, blah, it's always going to be met with some

01:38:48.880 sort of shaming language. But go ahead. Well, I think it, I mean, I agree, but I also think women,

01:38:55.360 a lot of the times are met with like equally shaming language. Like we talked about like them being

01:39:00.040 called hoes. So. But in respect to their preferences, standards, and boundaries, if a woman has certain.

01:39:06.440 Then they're asking for too much or they have really high standards. So I think it goes, I think

01:39:11.360 it goes both ways. I mean, I think that, you know, and I think you're right. You know, you have your

01:39:16.120 preferences of what you're looking for in a partner, totally respect it. But I just, yeah, they're

01:39:21.500 interesting preferences. I think because like you don't think two people can lead in a relationship.

01:39:27.640 That's interesting. I feel like that kind of, so, so why do you need to be the one that's like in

01:39:34.480 control, like leading? You're the successful one. You. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. Like, is that,

01:39:42.820 is that kind of what you mean? Like, like, I just thought that was super interesting. What do you

01:39:46.760 mean? I would have no issue dating a woman who is actually the breadwinner. Um, that wouldn't

01:39:52.900 necessarily be an issue. Um, the issue I think is more so most women, most women date up and across.

01:40:01.520 So they're not going to date down. If a woman is makes, if a woman's an attorney, you guys are,

01:40:07.320 I assume very successful. You make decent money. Attorneys make decent money. You're probably not

01:40:12.880 going to date the guy that works at Starbucks. That's not true. I disagree. I disagree. I think

01:40:18.900 that based on your last boyfriend paid for everything. Right. But clearly I'm not with

01:40:25.760 him. So I don't think that, that, that necessarily is true for me. So I think that it depends on like

01:40:32.620 just a whole bunch of other things. And I think that I, I don't, I actually don't have my like

01:40:38.900 occupation on my Hinch profile. It's not something I tell people right off the bat. It's not something

01:40:43.480 I ask right off the bat because I feel like you can have, you know, you can have this like high

01:40:50.060 title or you can be, you know, famous or whatever or rich and you can be a shitty person. And it's

01:40:55.500 like probably not interested in dating you, you know? And so I don't really ask. I like to feel

01:41:00.600 out the vibes. I definitely don't want a couch potato, but I think that like if the vibes right

01:41:06.080 and it like works, I don't, yeah, I would date like someone that works at Starbucks, if they're

01:41:11.340 a good person, like I'm into it. Okay. So would you date a guy who wants to be a stay at home dad?

01:41:16.780 Do you want kids? Yes. Do I want kids? I don't know. So you're, when you have, okay. So you'd be

01:41:22.800 totally okay having a life partner and you're providing everything for them. Yes. Yeah. Really?

01:41:28.020 Yeah. I think that, I think that. That's fine. Then lead. Then that's totally fine. You should

01:41:32.100 lead then. Yeah. You're going to be the boss or you can, or you can find someone that's equally

01:41:37.660 a boss that isn't threatened by your energy and you being a boss. And you guys can just

01:41:42.340 both be bosses together. I suppose. I mean, I, they've done studies on this and the fact

01:41:46.500 of the matter is most women date across and up socioeconomic hierarchies. So most women,

01:41:51.620 if the thing is, as, as a woman, as you become more successful, your pool of potential partners

01:41:57.420 tends to shrink because most women don't want to date a guy below them. So

01:42:01.820 socioeconomically, if you're making $250,000 a year as a litigation attorney, I know you

01:42:06.780 guys aren't doing, well, I don't know, whatever, like you're probably going to want to date someone

01:42:10.740 who's at your level or above you. I'm sure you guys know some very hyper successful, incredibly,

01:42:16.540 incredibly brilliant women that probably would not be satisfied dating a barista.

01:42:22.420 Well, it, I think it depends also because once you're in the profession and you're networking

01:42:27.240 and you're rubbing elbows with the, well, you're just going to meet those types of people. It's not

01:42:32.040 until you go on hinge where you're like, Oh, okay. These are, that's a different world out there. But

01:42:36.520 I think that, I mean, I think that at least the women I hang out with and the like women that I like

01:42:45.320 definitely vibe with more, like, it's just not something that's like on my, like, you know, you have a list,

01:42:51.740 like that's not on my list, like my significant other, like, I don't really care what they do or

01:42:56.940 how much they make. It's just like, are they supportive? Are they a good person? Like, do they

01:43:02.180 have a sense of humor? Can I trust them? Like that, those kinds of things are, I feel like what's

01:43:07.360 important. Like, I think you can lead with a partner and communicate and be fine. I don't think

01:43:11.740 it has to be like a competition. That's exactly what my last relationship was and like, not it.

01:43:16.540 So. Okay. Cool. Did anybody else want to come in on this? I mean, I definitely agree. I don't,

01:43:24.800 it doesn't matter to me what their occupation is or what they do, how much they make. I will say that

01:43:30.380 it does matter that they have some sort of ambition or drive. Like if they're a barista, that's cool.

01:43:37.480 That's fine. But if they want to half-ass that and work part-time and spend the rest of their time

01:43:44.080 literally doing absolutely nothing, that's a different story. Okay. See, I guess the difference,

01:43:50.040 and I realize there's women that are in perfectly happy relationships where they're the primary

01:43:55.780 breadwinner. Maybe the guy's even, he's not employed. He's taking care of the household,

01:44:00.360 taking care of the family. But I'm speaking in generalities here. Of course, there are all sorts

01:44:06.060 of dynamics in relationships, but I would say overwhelmingly, like most women date across

01:44:11.140 and up in terms of their partner choices. Like if I was an attorney, I would, I would have no issue

01:44:20.100 dating a woman that worked at Chick-fil-A, that worked at McDonald's. If I'm making six figures,

01:44:26.100 seven figures, eight figures, I'll date the baddie 19 year old. Like I don't, to me her,

01:44:33.020 a woman's money is not really important to me, but I would say a man's step, uh, a man's career,

01:44:41.100 a man's finances are a bit, are more important to women. It's more of a factor. Can I try one?

01:44:47.880 Of course. I think that when you have a job where you make enough money that you, um, can support

01:44:54.040 yourself and you don't have to worry about anything, like whatever happens in my dating life,

01:44:59.920 like I'll be good. If my boyfriend makes no money, if I don't have a boyfriend at all,

01:45:04.800 if like nothing happens, like I'll be able to afford all my own shit. And so I think it actually

01:45:10.660 like opens up your pool of people because you, if you're going out there and you're being like,

01:45:14.840 I don't make that much money and I need to meet some guy who's going to be able to make enough

01:45:17.740 money that he can support our kids. Then like, yeah, of course that's going to be a concern.

01:45:21.460 If you don't care about that because you can support your own kids and you can pay for your own

01:45:24.800 shit, then like, you don't care about like what your boyfriend's doing necessarily. Like, yeah,

01:45:30.220 I want him to be happy and passionate about his career, but I don't care if he's making more money

01:45:34.280 than I am or even like the same amount. It doesn't matter. And, and if that is a woman's genuine

01:45:39.960 position, like, Hey, I'm making all this money. I'll date a guy who's kind of a bum, you know,

01:45:46.040 who's he, I didn't say a bum. I said like somebody who makes less money than me. Sure. But I think

01:45:52.200 I, I, I do genuinely think most women want to date a guy that's on their level or above. I think

01:46:00.600 that's the case for most women. I could be wrong. And I think we're also seeing this. I mean,

01:46:07.220 we could also ask this, like, would you just to go around the panel really quick? Do you want,

01:46:11.780 who's in school right now? Is it the ballet thing or are you also taking? I'm also a college student.

01:46:19.400 Yeah. So let's say when you get, you want to get your bachelor's degree, would you want to date a guy

01:46:24.220 that has at least attained your level of education or higher? Um, I don't think education matters to

01:46:33.460 me as much because you can do so much without a degree. Um, even the career that I want to go into,

01:46:39.280 I can do without my degree. So education doesn't bother me. I do think like the person I choose

01:46:45.720 to be with has to have some sort of ambition or drive to want to do something with their lives.

01:46:51.000 It doesn't matter what, but they have to want to do something with their lives. Sure. Anybody else on

01:46:57.100 the college thing? Uh, yeah, I don't think it really matters for education because like my parents,

01:47:04.460 they don't have like a college degree at all, but they still found each other. And I mean,

01:47:10.900 they're not together, but that's, I don't even know why. Um, but a lot of people don't do college

01:47:18.480 or education because they don't have the money for it. And so if they just like work or like something,

01:47:27.580 like a hobby, then I'll be fine with them. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I've definitely spoken to women

01:47:34.500 who would take issue with a guy who has attained a lower level of education, education than they

01:47:43.360 have. So I, I don't know, but, um, I don't know how we got onto my long list. By the way, this,

01:47:49.700 this list is like more of a, some of these, like for sure, I definitely want, but this was more so

01:47:55.100 like, cause I was going to compare it to some of the standards that women have for men. And maybe

01:48:00.560 I can go through a few of what I think are some of the preferences, standards, or boundaries that

01:48:05.020 women have for men. And we can also just sort of compare. And it's, it's also an exhaustive,

01:48:09.260 quite a long list too. So women want a guy who's tall, not balding. These are, we'll start physical

01:48:16.600 stuff and then move into more personality stuff. Tall, not balding, full head of hair, muscular fit,

01:48:21.960 strong, didn't skip leg day, nice forearms, wide shoulders, six pack abs, large peen,

01:48:27.520 clean shaven, or has a, some women have a preference for a guy who has a mustache or beard.

01:48:33.580 Um, but I think majority it's clean shaven dresses nicely who can protect her, who can provide,

01:48:39.000 who's confident, masculine, a leader, dominant, ambitious, successful, financially well off matches

01:48:45.540 or exceeds her income matches or exceeds her level of education matches or exceeds her

01:48:50.160 socioeconomically chivalrous, pays for dates, decisive leader, charming, witty, can carry a

01:48:56.780 conversation, good communicator, treats you like a queen, whatever that means, even though you're a

01:49:02.680 court jester at best, funny, exciting, tells good stories, intelligent, competent, handy, doesn't live

01:49:10.980 with his parents, uh, wait there, um, doesn't live with, doesn't live with his parents, doesn't play

01:49:18.540 video games, doesn't watch porn, doesn't have a photo of him holding a fish, apparently that's a

01:49:24.460 thing, can fix things, stoic, sexually experienced, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So the one I gave

01:49:32.680 previously, I was just sort of generally outlining some of the, some of the standards of preferences

01:49:38.860 men, men have in women, and I believe these are some of the standards of preferences women have in

01:49:43.740 men. I don't think women want, necessarily want, or can even secure all these things in men, but

01:49:50.200 broadly speaking, I think both of the, those things are what women and men want.

01:49:55.020 I disagree. On what? Um, okay, so you don't want a tall guy? How tall are you? I'm 5'5". Okay. The

01:50:04.260 guy I'm talking to right now is 5'8". I, he's taller than you. Would you date a guy who's smaller than

01:50:09.180 you? Or shorter than you? I have. Would you date, would you date a guy who's physically smaller than

01:50:14.620 you? Yeah. Okay, that's fine. Go ahead. Tall, would you want to date a guy who's tall? Well, I'm like

01:50:21.880 five feet. So like, I don't think I'm going to meet a guy shorter than five foot. Let's say you

01:50:27.900 did. Would you date a guy who's shorter than you? Maybe if they're cool, I'd go on a date with them.

01:50:33.820 Potentially. If you, do you have a height preference? You don't, you don't have any height

01:50:38.940 preference. I mean, most guys are just like taller than me because I'm so short, but. Well, it happens

01:50:44.980 to be the case, right? That they're taller than you. So it just so happens that, yeah, I guess it's just

01:50:49.300 happened that way. But do I have a. You, you would have no issue. You, if you had to think

01:50:54.400 about like ideal partner, height isn't even a factor. He could be 4'11", but he could be your

01:50:59.500 ideal partner. Maybe. I don't know. Okay. Where are the 4'11 kings? I don't know. There you go.

01:51:04.940 How tall was your last boy? Well, it doesn't matter. Go ahead. I prefer, I guess, taller guys who are

01:51:12.300 taller than me. Sure. I'm 5'6". Okay. I'm the same. Prefer guys who are taller than you? Yeah. Taller, yeah.

01:51:18.440 Okay. How tall are you? 5'3". Okay. What's your like height cut off? Do you want six feet?

01:51:25.440 5'9", up is good. Okay. And what about for you? 5'10", just because I like to wear heels. Sure. Okay. So

01:51:31.980 that was just one. That was the tall thing. So you said you disagreed with a lot of these though.

01:51:35.840 Yeah. So, I mean, we can, you can disagree with me on some of my, some of my preferences that I

01:51:42.420 believe women have in men. I think some of you already disagreed a little bit on the preferences

01:51:49.120 that I believe men have in women. But go ahead. Did you want to come in on anything else? No.

01:51:56.420 Okay. Luke, did you want to come in on anything? Yeah. I'd like to add something. Sure.

01:52:00.580 Um, I think that like getting, getting into the door, like talking to a woman, I think

01:52:08.140 it's, it's, it's higher demanded that, you know, you do have a higher income. Like if

01:52:12.900 some dude walked up to you guys and he was wearing some like nasty clothes, probably old,

01:52:18.280 didn't smell really good. Like that's not like an attractive, like individual.

01:52:23.480 So yeah. But being, making less money than someone else doesn't mean you're stinky and

01:52:28.880 gross. No, but it means that you, you don't, you can't like, you can't show yourself off

01:52:36.420 as well as someone with an higher, with a higher income. Like if, cause like what I did

01:52:41.600 at homeless person, likely not. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying like if a, if a guy

01:52:45.760 works a McDonald's job, he's not going to be driving a, like Mercedes Benz around. But

01:52:49.620 if a guy, if a really attractive dude pulled up in a Mercedes Benz, like with nice, nice

01:52:55.060 clothes on, expensive, I feel like a lot of women, at least 80% would go for the guy in

01:53:02.120 the Benz. Even if it was the same person, it was the exact same person. And some dude

01:53:06.480 walked up in some like baggy jeans, didn't look very good, but like, you know, his, his

01:53:13.340 body and his face, the exact same, but outfit wise, appearance wise was just a little bit

01:53:18.920 on the lower income side versus the same guy driving up in a, a Eurus or something. Like

01:53:25.100 it could even be like the most basic high end car. So like a BMW or something that's

01:53:30.900 going to get chosen a lot more than the guy that's doesn't have as good of an outlook

01:53:36.680 of himself, like appearance. And that's shown only through monetary value because he can

01:53:42.160 show off, Hey, I'm successful. I make a lot of money. You know, I'm, I'm succeeding in

01:53:47.440 life. A woman's going to go and choose him over the guy that's like kind of down on his

01:53:52.780 luck or doesn't have a very good job because it's more stable. There's more stability in

01:53:57.440 the guy that has like, even if you don't like, you're not going to know him, right? There's

01:54:02.720 more stability going into it, knowing that, Hey, I'm going to be financially stable with

01:54:06.880 this person versus having to fight for like, you know, earn a living with this other guy.

01:54:11.980 I think that that does make sense. I think that with respect to cars, I mean, I don't

01:54:19.380 think I've ever based any decision about a guy off of his car. Cause like you can have

01:54:23.080 a short term lease on a Mercedes Benz doesn't mean you're rich. Um, also I just think like

01:54:29.600 looks wise having less money, like I've never found the best dressed guys that I've dated.

01:54:37.460 The most handsome guys that I have dated have not ever been the richest guys. Like, it's

01:54:42.460 just like, I don't think there's a correlation there. Like, I do think, I understand what

01:54:45.740 you're saying where you can dress up to impress. So like, yeah, if we were going out to like

01:54:48.940 a five-star restaurant, then like, I think that's where that kind of, that delineation

01:54:54.900 like that would show there, but not if you're just like going on a first date, I would expect

01:54:58.740 a guy to be wearing like a basic outfit. I'd be wearing a basic outfit, like whatever,

01:55:02.140 you know what I mean? Like, unless we're going out to like an event kind of thing, I see where

01:55:06.660 you're coming from, but I just like, I don't know. I just feel like that's a hard correlation

01:55:11.080 for me to draw. Yeah. I'm not talking about, by the way, like the first date, I think first

01:55:15.840 date you, you put some thought into your appearance. I'm talking about like walking up to the, to

01:55:19.880 a woman and like saying, Hey, you know, I find you really attractive. Is there any way I can

01:55:23.580 get your contact information? I think a guy that's better dressed who is showing off more

01:55:28.780 wealth and more stability is going to have a much easier time getting that woman to find

01:55:35.080 him not necessarily more attractive, but more like I get, yeah, more attractive, more like

01:55:40.300 more optimal to look into a relationship with that person than someone who's, you know, isn't

01:55:46.700 as dressed up. That's what I'm saying with getting through the door. That's the starting

01:55:50.680 point. As soon as you get onto a first date, you know, you're going to dress up as well

01:55:54.460 as you can. You, you can go and rent out that sport car for a day and show off.

01:55:59.260 I do want to move on just a little bit. Cause we do have some super chats we have to get

01:56:04.680 to. I also do want to come back in because there were a couple of different, uh, conversational

01:56:10.760 threads that we didn't really get to wrap up, but really quick, we're going to do just

01:56:14.340 a few super chats. So we have a one, we just have one from Stifler, not a super chat, but

01:56:20.000 Stifler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10. Um, you guys, Erica,

01:56:27.880 wait, like myself into the mic, 10, 10, 10, 10, like a six, Luke. I was going to say

01:56:43.420 like a seven, maybe eight bruv Luke. I, I, you gotta be like a nine, my dude. I give myself

01:56:50.340 like six, 6.9 on a good day. Um, okay. So, but 10, 10 really is a bit of hubris a little

01:56:58.840 bit. Don't you think? I mean, it's confident, not confident. Yeah. Oh, I think I see where

01:57:04.180 you're going to go with this and that's, I, with the whole, you know, improving yourself.

01:57:09.720 Is that where you're going with this? No, not really. Okay. Uh, I don't know if I want to

01:57:14.880 get into the whole one out of 10 thing. I would say though, if you view yourself as

01:57:18.440 a 10, then part of finding a partner, right? Like you, if you have a, if you view yourself

01:57:29.700 as a 10, then surely you must deserve a 10. So if you have a bunch of women who think they're

01:57:33.480 10, I mean, this comes, this also comes back to what percentage of men do you find attractive?

01:57:38.400 If Danny DeVito thinks he's a 10, he's like, let's say Danny DeVito without the status,

01:57:43.900 right? If he thinks he's a 10, but let's say, you know, take away the status. He's just some

01:57:49.300 regular dude. He ain't landing a Victoria's secret model. Right? So I'm not saying any of

01:57:55.260 you would look like Danny DeVito. Okay. Let me just make that clear. Um, but I think that's

01:58:02.000 one of the problems in the dating marketplace is people don't have a reasonable self-assessment

01:58:08.000 of their own attractiveness and thus their standards are, they're not going to be able

01:58:15.160 to secure the type of partner that they're going after. If they think they're a 10, no

01:58:19.220 offense guys. Okay. I'm getting, I'm getting, I disagree. I'm getting death stares. I'm getting

01:58:25.680 death stares. We're going to move on from that. Every day I go with the $2 soup chat. Uh, Luke's

01:58:30.440 better looking. Okay. Um, every day Edgar chat wants Luke to make out with Erica.

01:58:35.860 Do it. Wait, are you, you got, has there been like, I haven't been, is, has there been

01:58:50.500 like some, some electricity going on? Like you guys, okay, we're going to move on. Sorry

01:58:55.860 to make it awkward there. Um, wickets one, 1988 with the check Croners, I believe. I don't know

01:59:01.560 if it's Croners, whatever. Thank you for the check to 200 check currency. Uh, Luke take Erica

01:59:07.360 out after that. Wow. They're really shipping Luke and Erica. Okay. Do it. Good times. Hey,

01:59:13.480 she can get you like the hookup on Chipotle. Just saying, Luke, just saying. Okay. Uh, so

01:59:18.460 rip. Rest in peace. So, okay. So there are two kind of conversational threads. I wanted

01:59:25.240 to really wrap up quickly and then we're going to go to our, we got some videos to react to.

01:59:29.400 Um, so you, you made a comment about, Ooh, Brian, what's with the bikini photo thing, you know?

01:59:38.000 And I do want to just reiterate when I did go over that list, that was kind of like a broad

01:59:42.960 list of what I think guys in terms of their preferences, what they want in women, the bikini

01:59:48.400 photo thing on the Instagram. I, to me, I, some guys have an issue with it. I don't really

01:59:53.060 care, but like if I had to pick, I would say I prefer a girl. One, if it was like Instagram

01:59:57.820 was a bit more private, if she was a bit more had a public facing modesty. So if she's just

02:00:02.920 more modest publicly, um, or if she just didn't have social media, um, I don't know. So because

02:00:11.620 I don't know, social media is like part of, I want to actually paint a dream world hypothetical

02:00:19.960 scenario, scenario that kind of is tangentially tangent. I don't know if I'm using that word

02:00:25.340 right. Related to this. And it's, it has to do with why I would have an issue if I was

02:00:29.780 in a relationship with a girl, if she was constantly going to bars and clubs. Right. So did you guys

02:00:35.500 object to that one at all? Like, so one of my preferences for a girlfriend is, and this

02:00:40.600 isn't like, there's a reciprocity on this. I don't go to bars and clubs parties. I barely

02:00:47.440 drink. So something I'm looking for in a partner, not just for reciprocity reasons, but just because

02:00:52.200 I think it's bad for relationships is going to bars and clubs. So do any of you have a quarrel

02:00:58.580 with that? You can. It's, I think it's completely valid, honestly, because I'm very 50 50. I do

02:01:05.820 like to go out, but I also don't like to stay in. So I don't want a partner who is constantly

02:01:12.240 going to want to go out every single night of the week. So I think it's a completely valid

02:01:16.220 thing to want. Erica, do you want to come in on this? I think it's 50 52. Sometimes I want

02:01:20.460 to stay in and sometimes I'd rather go out. Okay. But let's say you're in a, let me ask.

02:01:26.180 So let's say you're in a longterm relationship with a guy and he said, Hey, listen, like it kind

02:01:31.160 of makes me uncomfortable that you're going out to the bars and clubs. Like, is that, would

02:01:34.980 you, would you then say, you know what, babe, I love you. Like I'll stop going or fuck you.

02:01:41.540 I'm gonna do what I want. Am I going out like weekly? Like, is it like a bad habit or if it's

02:01:45.900 like, um, maybe a couple of times a month. Oh, I think that's a red flag. Okay. Does anyone

02:01:53.060 else want to come in on this? You guys? I think it just depends on your lifestyle. Sure. Yeah.

02:01:59.440 What she said. Okay. I think it depends on like the trust you have with your partner.

02:02:03.940 Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. I'm going to paint really quick and I've got, I got this written down.

02:02:08.100 This is a dream world hypothetical scenario. This is, this is dream world. So this would,

02:02:15.700 unless, unless as a guy, you're like super famous, girls really aren't hitting up guys

02:02:21.000 like this. But in the example I'm about to provide hypothetical. So in the real world,

02:02:25.320 the vast majority of men, and I think I touched on this, who go out to parties, clubs,

02:02:29.060 bars, bars, straight up would get ignored if they didn't make the first move. So, um,

02:02:34.780 would you be okay with your long-term monogamous partner going to an, well, you guys didn't really

02:02:41.020 push back on this. So I don't know if I need to provide the dream world hypothetical. Do you guys

02:02:45.600 want to hear it? Yes. Okay. So this is kind of, and this sort of goes into the, a bit of the double

02:02:52.020 standard as to why, cause we were talking a bit about, you mentioned how guys don't really, or

02:02:58.520 you, you were saying how it's not so black and white and women get approached, men get approached.

02:03:05.720 Like, so this is sort of painting it from the frame of why men might have an issue with their

02:03:13.820 significant other going to the bar club. So would you be okay with your long-term monogamous partner

02:03:18.180 going to a nightclub bar or party type environment where throughout the course of the night, he's

02:03:23.120 going to get approached, flirted with, and sexually pursued by numerous attractive women. Some of

02:03:29.040 which are more attractive than you and could potentially be a better partner than you. These

02:03:33.900 women are buying him drinks, getting him drunk and enthusiastically want to sleep with him that

02:03:39.540 night and steal him away from you. It also just so happens to be the case that you guys had a major

02:03:44.520 argument earlier on in the day. He's with his single man hoe friends. They're rallying. They're

02:03:50.920 being a bad influence telling him, Hey, you should do it. You should do it. And talking. Well, okay.

02:03:55.680 So all that hypothetical scenario described, would you be okay with that scenario? Your partner being in

02:04:05.160 that environment? No, but I've also like literally been in that exact same situation. So your boyfriend,

02:04:13.660 he was going, not my current boyfriend, but, uh, yeah, I've definitely been in that exact same

02:04:19.740 situation. So sure. But this is a total hypothetical scenario because I basically painted what happens

02:04:27.400 to women when they go out, but you're not even a woman. Like, how do you know that that's what

02:04:31.820 happened? I feel like that's never happened to me where guys are just trying to get me drunk,

02:04:35.300 trying to fuck me any chance they get. Like that's like, I go out with my girlfriends, we dance,

02:04:39.140 we talk, we go home. Like, I don't, I don't know. Like, that's just not, I don't, is that anybody

02:04:44.400 here's experience? You've never, like, you've never, a guy's never offered to buy you a drink

02:04:48.880 at a bar. Offering to buy somebody a drink and like heavily sexually pursuing someone is like

02:04:53.540 so different. Yeah. It's like a movie type thing. You don't really see that in the real world.

02:04:57.720 Yeah, you really don't. I feel like that was a very specific hypothetical that isn't like,

02:05:01.400 into the mic, into the mic. That doesn't, yeah, I don't think. Put the mic, like pull it towards

02:05:07.260 you closer. Yeah, I don't think that that like, it's like a realistic, you know, I don't think

02:05:16.260 that that's like happened at least. I haven't had that experience. You've never had a guy at a bar

02:05:24.040 offer to buy you a drink and flirt with you and pursue you sexually. I mean, not like, it doesn't

02:05:31.000 really. One night stands never happen from bars and clubs and parties. Come on. No, they do, but I

02:05:37.920 don't think. Okay, so in order for a one night stand to happen, someone has to approach someone

02:05:42.640 and pursue them sexually. It's probably the man doing it, right? I think what you would see instead

02:05:49.060 of them buying you a drink is like, if you're dancing with your friends, like guys will try to

02:05:53.940 get behind you and like have you dance on them. And like, I feel like friends give each other

02:06:00.720 signals like, oh yeah, like he's cute. Or like, if he's not, then you'll like move away. But

02:06:05.540 if he's cute, you'll stay there. And then at some point in time, he'll turn around, start

02:06:10.180 talking and then just see what happens from there. Okay. Erica, do you want to come in on

02:06:15.500 this? Um, I think a lot of guys do approach like girls at parties, but especially in IV, I

02:06:27.280 don't think it's to the point where they're like pushing it unless it's like a bad person,

02:06:32.100 obviously. No. And by the way, I want to say like, it's not like an aggressive thing,

02:06:35.700 but like when I say, when I say sexually pursue, I just mean they're like pursuing the interaction.

02:06:42.940 Yeah. Like giving a little tension. So that way. If, if a guy approaches you like at a

02:06:51.760 bar club or a party, like more often than not, I mean, I'm sure you guys aren't naive. Like

02:06:58.240 there's clearly either a sexual or romantic interest there. It's not just to make conversation.

02:07:03.100 Like have, have you guys ever, let me, how do I want to put this? Would you agree that

02:07:11.520 one night stands happen from bars, clubs, or otherwise party type environments?

02:07:18.640 Yeah. Yes. Okay. So I mean, that's anyways, we can move. Yeah. Yeah. Let's move on. We're

02:07:28.440 going to, we're going to react and sort of on the topic of men being like, not having a lot of

02:07:36.580 attention like that. Eric, we're going to pull up a video and it's going to be the first one, I

02:07:42.880 believe. All right. Most men are basically invisible. There is not a female on the planet

02:07:51.920 who's invisible today. You can be a four overweight fat. You'll still go to the club and get attention.

02:07:57.240 99% of the men go to the club and nobody even talks to them. And they try and talk to a girl,

02:08:02.020 they get blanked and ignored and told. Most men are absolutely not really invisible. This is the

02:08:06.740 truth about masculinity, right? It's very easy for women to sit here and complain about the top

02:08:10.740 2% of men because I dealt with this guy. He's arrogant, blah, blah, blah, blah. Most men don't

02:08:15.020 even exist. They send 10,000 DMS and never even get read, let alone replied to. Okay. Um, were you

02:08:22.620 guys, what's up? You're, you're saying something or did you need to use the bathroom?

02:08:26.680 No, we're leaving. We're dipping. You got to leave. Yeah. Okay. But thank you. Well,

02:08:31.460 thank you guys for, thank you guys for coming. Thank you for the opportunity. Yep. Really

02:08:35.880 quick, actually, before you leave, do you guys want to do a quick reaction to that video?

02:08:40.560 I feel like my reaction is the same as how I reacted to, like, I mean, I, I don't, I honestly,

02:08:44.820 like, I don't know. I just think that the real world and these like hypothetical situations

02:08:52.760 are just not one in the same and you can compare them, but I just like, I don't know. It just

02:08:57.700 doesn't do it for me. It's just not real enough. So what, what's not real? Like your depictions

02:09:02.340 of these situations are not in my mind, like even semi relatable, you know, like I just

02:09:09.760 don't agree. As far as the, so you think men and women initiate at the exact same rate?

02:09:16.720 No, I don't. But I think that for every man and for every woman, life is just like so many

02:09:21.620 factors and variables and you just like cannot paint broad with broad strokes when it comes

02:09:26.580 to relationships. I mean, you can, you can speak in generalities and I would say broadly

02:09:32.260 speaking, probably 90 of, of all the first dates that have ever been had in the past 20

02:09:38.700 years, probably 95% of those were initiated by men. Yeah, I'm sure it's like, but also if

02:09:44.920 you look at like the span of history, men were initiating dates because like women used to

02:09:49.660 have no rights and like, weren't even allowed to do anything. So it's like, what were they

02:09:52.900 going to do? Initiate a date? Like there's no, there's no, there's nothing.

02:09:56.580 So, but thank you so much for having us. Thank you.

02:10:00.580 Okay. They are gone. It's past their bedtime guys. They're, they're professional, you know,

02:10:07.620 uh, go that way guys go that way. Um, Oh, it, are you, wait, what? Oh, you're not staying.

02:10:18.180 You're leaving too. You can't stay for the video. All right. Uh, you move on over there.

02:10:24.300 Well, we'll, uh, all right. It's a, it's now a two verse two. They, they heard Tate and

02:10:30.420 they rage quit. Um, so take, take the seat that hasn't been. All right guys, I guess,

02:10:43.080 uh, triggered by it. It's now two to be two. Um, okay. Well, thank you guys for staying

02:10:49.360 with us. We're going to wrap up here pretty soon anyways. Um, so your reaction to the video.

02:10:55.240 Oh, I, I don't like Andrew Tate. So you don't like Andrew Tate? Well, I mean, I don't like

02:11:05.040 have a strong hatred towards him. Like he's kind of funny, but I don't agree with most of

02:11:11.280 the things he says about women. Sure. Okay, man. I mean, it was kind of like, it's kind

02:11:16.600 of annoying because like she said this whole piece at the end there and I was like, and

02:11:20.540 then she's like, okay, bye. Like I, I didn't need to have time to rebut it, but, uh, whatever.

02:11:25.080 Um, not you, the lawyer chicks that left. Um, so do you want to give your reaction to the,

02:11:32.760 uh, Andrew Tate video?

02:11:36.120 I mean, I think it's such a weird one because there's, there's a lot of stuff that Tate says

02:11:42.580 that's so like, so one-sided. I think some of the stuff he says there is definitely like,

02:11:50.960 you know, facts in it, but that's also me talking as a guy. However, I do think there's

02:11:56.280 a lot of shit that he says. That's just like, dude, you're going like way too far with this

02:12:00.420 one. I don't know.

02:12:03.240 Okay. Good times. Good times. So yeah, I mean the whole thing is, is that like, I don't know

02:12:10.500 where she was going with it because I mean the, the lawyer chick, she, when I asked like

02:12:16.360 what of the percentage of men that you think in the past 20 years that have initiated like

02:12:20.320 the first date. And I said, I thought, I thought, Hey, it's probably 95% of men. She's like, yeah,

02:12:25.120 I probably agree with that. So it's like, I don't really know where she was, what she disagreed

02:12:29.660 with me on. But like, you need not look further than a dating app to see that like, bro, if you're

02:12:37.060 an average guy on a dating app, it is fucking brutal. If you're an average guy on a dating

02:12:41.800 app, you're on Tinder, you're playing fucking Russian roulette with your self-esteem. And

02:12:47.560 by the way, every single fucking, uh, what's it called? The, where the whole, uh, every

02:12:55.180 single chamber, is it, are there, bro, the gun, every single, there's the full round. Jesus,

02:13:02.080 I'm fucking butchering this basically the revolver ever. I don't know. Fucking gun shit. There's

02:13:10.700 a bullet in every fucking hole. What's the type? Is it chamber? It's fully loaded. The

02:13:15.720 chambers loaded. It's just use chambers. It's chamber. Yeah. It's fully loaded. Right. If

02:13:21.060 you're an average guy on a dating app, it is a foregone conclusion. If you're on a dating

02:13:25.240 app that it's just fucking brutal, your self-esteem is going to be destroyed. So anyways, um,

02:13:32.060 um, yeah, so I don't know like how you can conceivably think that there's some sort of,

02:13:37.280 uh, advantage or that, that it's somehow comparable between men and women when it comes to dating.

02:13:44.580 I mean, most, most men are invisible to most women. So we're going to pull up one more tape

02:13:50.040 video on this. Thank you. Yeah. The cylinder guys. I don't know if it's the chamber or the

02:13:54.860 cylinder. Um, I don't think most women can actually genuinely understand how lonely the

02:14:02.260 majority of men are. And you need, you need to truly understand if you're Joe Schmo,

02:14:07.620 averaging nearly every way in Starbucks working, you ain't getting a DM ever.

02:14:14.340 Two girls, two girls, two girls will never be lonely. As much as you might be unhappy with the

02:14:20.420 possible suitors, you can at least fuck about and flirt. If you feel sad, there are men out here

02:14:25.900 in the world who have genuine loneliness. I mean, I can prove this statistically. Why do you think

02:14:32.440 it's all the men killing themselves to the women? Okay. Uh, kind of similar to the last thing,

02:14:38.480 by the way, shout out to fresh and fit. That's a clip from their podcast, fresh, fresh and fit on

02:14:42.920 YouTube. So do you want to give your reaction to that? It's pretty similar to the last one,

02:14:46.220 but your reaction. I mean, I feel like there's a lot of girls out there that are super lonely as

02:14:51.100 well. And I feel like he's only saying that because there's a lot more like attractive girls.

02:14:57.880 But at the end of the day, if there was a person at Starbucks working and he's a good person,

02:15:03.460 genuinely, like I wouldn't mind talking to him. I mean, I wouldn't get too caught up on the

02:15:10.200 Starbucks part, but so you mentioned that there's a lot of lonely women out there, but what he was

02:15:14.940 kind of saying is that even an average woman, if on any given night, if she wanted to, she could get

02:15:25.420 some male attention. She could hook up with a guy. She could sleep with a guy gets even just maybe she

02:15:32.020 doesn't want to sleep with him. Just go on a date. But for most men, even like D like I would say above

02:15:38.720 average guys, it is, does get a bit difficult, like to on a snap, get a girl to go on a date with

02:15:44.880 you. There's a bit of work. Like there's no such thing as like a last minute date on a Tuesday for

02:15:50.700 a dude, but as a chick, bro, that shit's easy. If you're down, the guy will be down. But so you are,

02:15:58.620 when you say you think there's a lot of lonely women out there, maybe they're lonely just because

02:16:03.360 they have very high standards. And that's what he was saying is that, you know, you can always get

02:16:11.240 some guy. He might not be the most desirable suitor, but you can always get a guy. I want to

02:16:20.280 open it up to you. Go ahead. Honestly, I kind of agree. Like I could text any guy right now and he'll

02:16:27.420 probably want to go on a date with me. Yo, thank you. Thank you. Yes. Good answer. Answer. Yeah. I

02:16:35.240 mean, you could be, you don't want, I didn't like that. Good answer. That's van. Wait, is that van

02:16:43.460 welder? No, that's Ryan Reynolds from, I don't know. Um, so anyways, uh, where was I? No, like

02:16:52.600 either one of you, if you downloaded Tinder right now or a dating app right now, it's, it's

02:16:58.540 nine 20 on the third, what is it? Thursday, nine 20 on a Thursday within an hour, you could

02:17:04.560 have a guy. Yeah. Like I don't want to speak for Luke cause Luke Luke's honestly a fucking

02:17:11.120 Chad, but like, but for me, bro, I download Tinder, bro. Maybe I can set up a date for next

02:17:18.800 week. And then may there's a 50% she's going to flake. And then like, it's going to take

02:17:25.160 me a bit of time to get there. So you're based. Good. That was a good answer. Do you want to

02:17:30.820 come back in on this Erica? I see you. Go ahead. You can go ahead first. I was just going to

02:17:36.180 say, I think people should start. It's, it's, it's a lot of times that people should like

02:17:42.260 work on themselves before they want to go out. I find that for me because, you know,

02:17:48.300 thank you guys for saying all this great stuff about me. You know, it's really flattering,

02:17:52.760 but I, when I was like a kid or even younger, I wasn't the best looking dude. I had a buck

02:17:57.740 ton of acne. I was fat and you know, I didn't get any attention. And so I just had to start,

02:18:04.160 you know, the grind or whatever had to get on gnarly acne medication that, you know, it

02:18:09.680 Accutane, if anyone's ever been on that, it's not fun. And then gym every day for like nonstop.

02:18:17.020 I started when I was 15 and would eat like nothing but oatmeal and fish for, and chicken

02:18:23.560 for every meal. It was, it was gnarly. I had to lose a lot of weight and I'm, I've gotten

02:18:29.120 to the point now where I'm comfortable in my body, but even then it's, and this is what

02:18:34.940 I was saying when, when you started the whole, you know, what do you, what do you, what would

02:18:38.680 you rate yourself as? Like, I, I don't think I'm a 10 because I think there is stuff that

02:18:43.760 I can improve. You know, I think, bro, if you're like a solid nine, I, I think anyways,

02:18:50.580 well, even then I still think I'm straight by the way, just saying, just saying. Me too,

02:18:54.700 by the way, I've been seeing some of the comments. I'm straight. Um, yeah, I mean, I find that

02:19:02.820 improving yourself should come before you give yourself up to anyone else. Like it's, it's a

02:19:09.900 self-esteem booster and for, you know, again, women can go out and get them any day of the

02:19:14.340 week, but I think they should start with improving themselves before getting any of that. Cause

02:19:20.880 it's, it, you get your own self-esteem from working hard instead of just like another,

02:19:25.460 another human being.

02:19:28.960 Good point. No, that's really good. Dude, like I said at the very, like a couple of times

02:19:32.840 throughout the show, man, you're wise beyond your years, dude. And, uh, yeah, so I'm trying

02:19:38.100 to think I had a couple more questions, but we, yeah, we, there's quite a bit of, let's

02:19:41.560 do some super chats. Let's, we got some super chats here. Uh, let's see. Okay. We got this

02:19:47.280 one, the Luke take Erica out. Okay. Um, or wait, did, did we get, yeah, we got that one.

02:19:54.060 Okay. Abe with the $10 soup chat. I believe the idea of women who are in a relationship going

02:19:58.260 to clubs is to get high, high off rejecting other men. I mean, Abe, certainly I do think that,

02:20:05.300 I mean, you'll see this on dating apps too, but what like women will for sure get tons

02:20:13.880 of attention and validation. So from going out to clubs and bars, guys are going to be

02:20:18.560 hitting on them. They're fucking curving the dudes. No, no, no. So yeah, for sure. I mean,

02:20:22.560 I'm sure it's fucking awesome to be a chick. And I mean, I'm sure there's some drawbacks

02:20:26.200 to awesome to be a chick, go to the club, get all this, these, this male attention, because

02:20:31.080 oftentimes you hear women complaining about, Oh, you know, all these guys approaching me.

02:20:37.720 Woe is me. It's really sucks. And then when they're 40, where are all the men?

02:20:45.400 Anyways. So, um, but you also see on dating apps, girls will be like girls will be on dating apps

02:20:53.300 and just, they like the validation. They'll like just guys matching with them, guys messaging them

02:20:59.040 and have zero fucking intention of ever meeting a guy off a dating app. I know plenty of chicks.

02:21:04.880 They're just on there to fucking promote their bullshit fitness Instagram. They're on there to

02:21:09.460 promote, you know, their IG, their only fans, whatever it may be. Um, or they're maybe their

02:21:14.580 Instagram or whatever. They're not promoting anything, but they're just on there for validation.

02:21:18.780 So you gotta be careful on dating apps. A lot of these girls are not genuinely on there to meet

02:21:23.200 up with dudes. I know girls who've been on dating apps for years and have never met a dude off it.

02:21:28.400 So go ahead, Erica. I know you're dying to get in on this one. Um, well, when I was on the dating app,

02:21:34.000 I was, I had no intention of like talking or meeting with anybody. I just came on there to see what it

02:21:39.160 was about. Have you ever met a guy from a dating app? No, but you've been on dating apps and you're

02:21:46.140 currently on the dating app, correct? No, I'm not. Okay. Got it. Okay. Well, there you go.

02:21:53.060 Uh, go ahead. Your turn. I've never been on a dating app, so, but with my Instagram, I would say

02:21:58.980 I do put in like a lot of thought into what I post just to see whose attention I will get or like

02:22:07.600 try to aim it towards somebody and see if they will see it, what they think about it. Yeah. And if I

02:22:13.840 don't get anything out of it, then like I'll just change myself up for the next one. For sure. Um,

02:22:20.200 we'll let Luke come in really quick. By the way, guys, we're going to wrap up here in probably five,

02:22:23.580 10 minutes. Um, so if you want, get your last minute super chats in, uh, Luke, did you want to

02:22:29.140 come in on, on this super chat or? Yeah. Um, I see, that's such a hard one because I think there should

02:22:36.260 be freedom in a relationship. You are your own person. You, I don't think you should live for anyone

02:22:41.720 else if that makes sense, but at the same time you have a commitment with someone. So if,

02:22:47.160 if I put in enough trust to let you go out with your girlfriends and you betray me and this is

02:22:55.120 going to get a little personal. I actually had this experience once one of my past relationships,

02:22:59.880 um, went out to IV with some friends and one thing led to another and I got the, I'm so sorry text,

02:23:07.300 not happy about that one. And so what happened? You were, I was, I was literally getting ready

02:23:14.980 for lifeguard training. And so I couldn't go out that night. She went out with some friends to IV to

02:23:20.340 a party and at like 1230 at night, I get the, I'm so sorry. We need to talk text. And I was just like,

02:23:26.860 fuck rip. So, you know, so she cheated on you. Yeah. Did she like, was it kind of like she made

02:23:35.600 out with a guy or she like hooked, like slept with the dude? She didn't sleep with anyone and it's

02:23:40.540 still, it's still, I mean, she said, yeah, it's still cheating. And, and I think like hitting someone

02:23:47.440 up with the intention of them talking to you, that's cheating too. So if people are hooking,

02:23:52.840 if people are talking to you on social media, there shouldn't be even like a, a, a second where

02:23:57.880 it's like, Oh, well he's, he's a nice guy and vice versa. Like there would have been people that

02:24:02.280 are like, you know, we've been saying that girls are getting hit up all the time. I've gotten hit

02:24:06.440 up before and like Snapchat and stuff. So I'm, I guess I'm an exception to that one, but you're,

02:24:13.480 you're Chad, bro. You're fucking Chad. But with my past relationships, they've been like, Hey,

02:24:18.480 I'm not comfortable with that. I'm like, you have every right to be, and I'll just block them on the spot

02:24:22.560 or I'll unab them. I think that's the respectful thing to do. You know, again, I'm giving you my

02:24:27.780 trust that you're not going to get with anyone. And I expect the same thing. I'm not, if I'm in a

02:24:33.040 relationship, a committed one, there's not even a chance that I was, I would cheat on someone,

02:24:38.300 especially because I went through something like that. I would never want to put someone in

02:24:42.640 a similar relationship to where they feel so vulnerable and so betrayed.

02:24:46.840 Um, but again, people need to be their own person. I think relationships can get burned

02:24:53.560 out. If you rely on each other too much, even if you love each other and you want to see

02:24:58.200 each other every single day, it's good. You know, distant makes the heart grow fonder.

02:25:04.320 So word, people should be able to live their life without worrying about cheating.

02:25:10.100 My DMs are open, Ruby. Okay. So, um, let's see who we got here. We got two more super chats,

02:25:17.900 I believe. We got maybe three actually. Jemos, Jemos. I have massive, I have massive respect for

02:25:25.200 the girls who've stayed now. Also, you should start doing soundbites made with these girls'

02:25:30.020 words. Lawyer girls first. Insecure? Big ego? I don't know. Thank you for the $5 memes. Appreciate

02:25:38.220 it. Uh, Glebis. Hey, man. Good to see you. Thank you for the big $20 super chat, man. Um,

02:25:45.820 hey, Brian. Sorry, dude, but you need to bring on more interesting girls' guests on topic. Can

02:25:50.740 confirm getting no love in dating apps, no good for self-esteem. Yeah, dude. Honestly, Glebis,

02:25:57.080 like, here's the thing. And even like, I, dude, I struggle on dating apps too. Like,

02:26:01.600 unless you're fucking top 10, top 20% dude on dating apps, like, like I said, you are playing

02:26:07.500 Russian roulette with your self-esteem if you're an average dude on a dating app. And

02:26:12.360 by the way, every fucking cylinder, chamber, whatever is fucking loaded. So if you're an

02:26:17.880 average dude on a dating app, it's not a maybe that your self-esteem is going to get fucking

02:26:21.700 crushed. It is a definite. So I do not like, also, it's just like, it's going to be a fucking

02:26:27.580 waste of time. And they've done, if you guys go to, I don't know if any of you on Reddit,

02:26:33.140 go to reddit.com r slash r slash tinder data. It's dudes posting because Tinder allows you to

02:26:43.440 download your, uh, dating data or whatever it's called. So, um, and there's a thing called,

02:26:52.440 I forgot the name of it, but basically you can put the Tinder data and you'll create this flow chart.

02:26:57.320 Um, I'll try to find it and dude, it's fucking brutal. Like these guys, 10,000 right swipes,

02:27:05.400 they get 10 matches. One of them leads to a date one day. It's really bad guys. So, uh,

02:27:13.240 it's, it's tough. Um, you know what though, as far as the panel tonight, um, I, you know,

02:27:19.140 some of you were talking shit about the lawyers, but I was actually like, I enjoyed the debate.

02:27:23.580 It makes it interesting if all the girls just agree with everything I say, or they're too shy to

02:27:28.480 share their stance. Like I think that that kind of, uh, they definitely pushed like those two lawyer

02:27:35.120 girls. I think of all the guests we've ever had, they pushed really hard. I don't know if they've

02:27:39.220 pushed the hardest, but I liked that they, they pushed back. I mean, they are attorneys. So, uh,

02:27:44.360 I wish they had stayed a little longer so we could have wrapped up the conversation, but

02:27:47.580 they had to go, you know, they got real, uh, you know, adult jobs. So yeah, man. Um,

02:27:53.840 Glebis with the $10 soup chat, two ladies who stayed, you are the best. Hey, what's up? He's

02:27:58.340 got love for you guys. So that's the OG in chat Glebis. Um, he's a good guy. He's a legend. Um,

02:28:05.740 yo Chase, what's up my dude? Uh, Chase with the big $10 soup chat, Luke, you've had some very solid

02:28:11.160 takes tonight respect, bro. By the way, if you're interested in her, you should 100% grab Erica's

02:28:16.800 number after the show. You're in dog. Also shout out to Brian. What is, has chat Erica? Have you

02:28:24.120 been reading chat? I have, have they been shipping you and Luke? Okay. I don't know. Okay. All right.

02:28:33.600 Good times. Good times. Well, there you go guys. Love. This is the, uh, it's not just a dating talk

02:28:38.860 show. It's also a love, love connection, matchmaking show. So yeah, there you go. Yeah. There you go.

02:28:46.800 Yeah. Chase actually, he met a love interest on, on the show. Believe it or not. It was this

02:28:56.700 feisty blue haired feminist chick with a 39 body count. No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding

02:29:01.480 Chase. I'm kidding. Um, but, uh, or wait, no, it was also, okay. I'm not going to say that

02:29:06.840 one. Nevermind. Um, Chase is a, Chase is a legend though. Thank you for the $10 soup chat,

02:29:11.120 man. Uh, last soup chat here. Sorry guys. I'll say it. We men have been winning since the beginning

02:29:15.060 of humanity until probably 15 to 20 years ago. That's when women took over. Uh, you know

02:29:22.520 what, dude, I kind of disagree, man. I kind of disagree, dude. Um, I mean, when, ah, this

02:29:29.500 is such a, like a nuanced conversation, but I mean, and what, in what context are we talking

02:29:38.000 about here? Are we talking dating? Are we talking rights? Like, I mean, it's 50, 50 with that one

02:29:46.420 men, like when it comes to dating, bro, men, men have always been in pretty bad positions when it

02:29:53.360 comes to dating. It's much more pronounced now that there's social media and dating apps.

02:29:59.080 What's that? What that has done is it has globalized the sexual marketplace. So now like

02:30:04.720 back in the day here, we're in Santa Barbara. If you were a girl in Santa Barbara, 10, 20 years ago,

02:30:09.560 your dating pool was the dudes in Santa Barbara. If you're in Idaho in some bum fuck town and you,

02:30:16.840 but you're a babe, you're going to date the dudes in your area. But now you can be in

02:30:23.160 middle of nowhere, be a fucking bought or a baddie, whatever. And you can get some dude

02:30:30.700 in Miami is going to fly you out. A dude in LA is going to fly you out. So it's definitely

02:30:36.640 changed very recently due to dating apps and social media. And just on that topic really

02:30:41.400 quick, have any of you guys, have either of you ever been flown out or offered like a guy

02:30:47.380 sliding your DMs? Hey, do you want to come to Miami, come to LA?

02:30:51.460 Nothing of that sort. Nothing of that sort. I've had guys come down from like an hour or

02:30:59.300 two away to come hang out with me and my friends, but nothing special.

02:31:05.000 Bruv. Rip?

02:31:06.840 The Louisiana guy wants to fly me out.

02:31:09.820 There you go. Boom. Take it. Take it.

02:31:12.000 I mean, I've never been there, so it would be...

02:31:14.840 Louisiana is awesome. What part is he from? Do you know?

02:31:18.280 Well, he's from here, but he has a school out there at LSU.

02:31:22.680 Go to New Orleans with him. It'll be fun as fuck.

02:31:25.440 It'll be fun as fuck. New Orleans is awesome.

02:31:30.080 I'll think about it.

02:31:31.080 Wait, have any of you ever, either of you ever had a sugar daddy?

02:31:34.440 No.

02:31:35.000 Okay.

02:31:35.340 No, but I get a lot of DMs from sugar mamas instead.

02:31:38.380 Sugar mamas? Are you bi?

02:31:40.820 Nope.

02:31:41.180 Okay.

02:31:43.240 Good times.

02:31:43.960 All right. We got Glevis, LA.

02:31:47.060 Sorry I missed the show today. Only saw three girls leaving.

02:31:49.060 We'll watch the recording later. Keep up the great work.

02:31:51.480 Amen. Thank you for the big dollar.

02:31:53.320 Sorry for the big $10 super chat, man. Much appreciated.

02:31:56.120 Good to see you continuing to support the show.

02:31:59.580 Oh, gosh. Okay. Here we go.

02:32:02.300 Bro, you guys are...

02:32:03.320 Okay. Here we go.

02:32:04.680 Um, retard lawyers. Jesus.

02:32:08.100 With the $10 Canadian dollars, we left because we had to feed our 20 cats.

02:32:12.980 We don't even like men except Chase, but he won't even acknowledge our existence.

02:32:17.500 Oh, gosh.

02:32:18.960 Um, by the way, y'all are fucking hilarious when you, like, make these...

02:32:23.300 Is this Nerd Lonnie?

02:32:24.660 This might be Nerd Lonnie, but yeah, last show, someone was, like, Nerd Lonnie,

02:32:29.300 like, took a screenshot of the girl that was on the show and, like, started chatting as...

02:32:34.880 It was kind of funny.

02:32:35.520 So if you guys want to do that, like, leave super chats as, like, characters from the show,

02:32:39.400 that's kind of funny.

02:32:40.300 Like, maybe someone can leave a super chat as Luke.

02:32:43.680 I don't know. Just, like, take a screen grab of Luke and just, like, boom.

02:32:47.920 I'm actually encouraging it. Please do it.

02:32:49.780 Can we get one? Can we get just one?

02:32:51.640 I'll even give you, like, a thumb or whatever, a profile picture right now.

02:32:55.400 He'll get Erica's number if you guys do that.

02:32:57.500 Oh, wait, guys. Get ready.

02:32:59.860 Hold on. Let me get rid of this.

02:33:02.280 Boom. One, guys. One.

02:33:04.680 Is that your blue...

02:33:05.660 What is the thing from...

02:33:09.320 What's that stupid movie?

02:33:12.780 What's the movie with the models and Ben Stiller?

02:33:15.340 Oh, Zoolander.

02:33:17.180 We were just talking about that.

02:33:18.820 Yeah, Zoolander.

02:33:20.540 Yeah. Is that... The Blue Steel, I think it was.

02:33:23.100 That was a good one. That was a good one.

02:33:24.160 Yeah. So, anyways, if you want, get that super chat in.

02:33:30.140 It's fine if not.

02:33:31.060 But, yeah, thank you to everyone who super chatted.

02:33:32.640 Big shout-out to Glebis for the major continued support show after show.

02:33:36.560 Really appreciate it.

02:33:37.440 Also appreciate all you chatters.

02:33:39.300 XXD, entertain me.

02:33:41.660 I see you guys in the chat every week.

02:33:43.240 Much appreciated.

02:33:45.340 I'm going to open it up to final thoughts.

02:33:47.020 If you guys have a question that you want to ask or just a final thought, right before

02:33:53.020 we end the show, if you guys have anything.

02:33:55.200 Erica?

02:33:57.500 If you're coming to date, don't go to Ivy.

02:34:03.140 You won't find a relationship over here.

02:34:05.600 Do you live in Ivy?

02:34:06.820 I live, like, right by Costco.

02:34:09.620 Okay. Are you from Santa Barbara?

02:34:11.140 I am.

02:34:11.800 Okay. Got it.

02:34:13.560 Wait, and you're not in work right now, right?

02:34:15.860 You're not working.

02:34:16.800 I'm working at college.

02:34:17.060 Or, sorry, you're not in school right now is what I meant to say.

02:34:19.760 Okay, are you planning to go to school or?

02:34:21.400 Yeah, I'm waiting to go to a cosmetology school.

02:34:24.360 Okay, rock and roll.

02:34:26.220 Final thought or question for the small panel we have remaining?

02:34:32.440 No, I'm good for that.

02:34:33.580 Okay, Luke, any final thought or question?

02:34:35.960 Yeah, just, I guess, final note to leave it off.

02:34:40.140 Again, like I said, like, improve yourself first.

02:34:43.320 Don't let your self-esteem come from someone else.

02:34:45.820 It's not a good ending.

02:34:49.220 If you really, like, if you want to find happiness in someone else,

02:34:54.480 you're not going to be able to do it unless you're happy with yourself first.

02:34:59.360 Do what you like.

02:35:02.320 Sweet.

02:35:03.240 Okay, guys.

02:35:04.900 Eric, do we have any other Super Chats that came in?

02:35:08.640 I don't want to miss anyone because I did just solicit.

02:35:10.920 I want to see the Luke thing.

02:35:13.640 Come on, someone do it.

02:35:15.480 Don't be lame, guys.

02:35:17.480 We'll give it one more minute to get in.

02:35:20.300 Well, I think, I'm trying to wonder if I have any last-minute videos that we can react to.

02:35:24.860 I don't think so.

02:35:27.260 Um, but, uh, any chatters?

02:35:30.100 Any, uh, hold on.

02:35:32.300 Wait, I have one question for you.

02:35:33.700 Yeah, sure, go for it.

02:35:34.260 What are your thoughts on Andrew Tate?

02:35:36.740 What are my thoughts on Andrew Tate?

02:35:38.940 Yeah, like, the things he says about, like, women.

02:35:41.700 Well, what, I mean, you're going to have to give me, like, a specific thing that he said.

02:35:46.580 Because, like, he kind of seems to be against, like, women.

02:35:50.860 I don't, you know what?

02:35:52.540 There's been a concerted effort by the media to portray him in a certain way that I don't think is based in reality.

02:36:02.840 Has Andrew Tate said some very controversial things?

02:36:06.400 Absolutely.

02:36:07.840 Um, but, I mean, you'll have to give me a specific example of what he said.

02:36:13.780 By the way, I don't agree with him on all his takes.

02:36:16.400 I don't agree with him on everything.

02:36:19.060 Overwhelmingly, though, I think if you really take the time to listen to what he has to say,

02:36:23.780 instead of just believing the headline, or watching a 15-second clip on TikTok,

02:36:29.880 if you really listen to him, and what he has to say, I think overwhelmingly, he has a very positive message.

02:36:37.080 Has he said some controversial shit?

02:36:39.000 Yes.

02:36:39.480 He's also a very traditional guy.

02:36:42.180 Like, he believes in traditional, um, believes the man should be the man, the woman should be the woman.

02:36:47.500 He believes in that very traditional, uh, relationship dynamic.

02:36:51.300 So, yeah, I think we, oh, we got a super sticker here.

02:36:55.220 But, unfortunately, not the Luke thing, uh, to, uh, Abe, thank you for the, uh, $10 super sticker, man.

02:37:02.280 Much appreciated.

02:37:03.880 Um, so, I mean, do you have thoughts on Tate at all, Luke?

02:37:08.460 Yeah, like I said before, I, I agree with you.

02:37:11.020 He definitely has, like, a lot of good points.

02:37:15.000 I, I think he's, he's, again, what everyone is saying, all the people that support him,

02:37:19.600 he's showing the masculine energy, that, the heavily masculine energy, that I think a lot

02:37:25.820 of people are lacking right now.

02:37:28.120 And, you know, that could be a, a reason for a bunch of things.

02:37:32.500 But, I think a big thing is that it, we're, I'm losing my train of thought right now.

02:37:39.660 Sorry.

02:37:40.380 Um, I, I think Andrew Tate has a lot of good points.

02:37:43.540 I also think he has a lot of points where he goes way overboard.

02:37:48.980 Yeah.

02:37:49.440 Um, I do think the media portrays him really poorly.

02:37:53.200 I think if you, like, fully watch some of the clips, like, there's, there's a bunch of

02:37:57.700 TikTok videos and YouTube videos of people going up to women with Andrew Tate quotes.

02:38:03.020 And, it's like, you know, I think a man should always protect a woman.

02:38:06.140 I think he should always pay.

02:38:07.840 And, I align myself with some of those things.

02:38:10.660 I think a guy should protect a woman 100% of the time.

02:38:15.280 Um, I think, you know, it's, a lot of people find it controversial to say that men are stronger

02:38:20.740 than women.

02:38:21.740 But, in a lot of, like, in most of the cases, that's, that's how it is.

02:38:27.540 And, it's, it's not like a, opinion.

02:38:30.880 It's based on, like, our actual muscle makeup, our genetics.

02:38:35.400 And, I think a lot of men can take the advantage to overpower women.

02:38:40.260 It's fucked up.

02:38:41.760 And, we should be able to, like, especially if you're in a relationship with someone,

02:38:47.160 they're your responsibility to keep safe.

02:38:50.100 Word.

02:38:51.080 Word.

02:38:52.100 Okay, so, we have, oh, we got another soup chat.

02:38:54.440 If you want to pull that up, Eric.

02:38:56.040 Thank you.

02:38:57.200 Abe, with the $20 soup chat.

02:38:58.480 Unfortunately, he didn't want to roleplay his, uh, Zoolander Luke.

02:39:02.300 But, uh, Luke, don't waste that chance.

02:39:06.000 I assume this is towards the building.

02:39:12.100 Okay, whatever.

02:39:12.640 Okay.

02:39:13.060 Abe, thank you for the $20 soup chat, man.

02:39:15.060 So, wait.

02:39:15.580 Okay, we got, no, I don't want to make it awkward.

02:39:18.080 I'm not going to make it awkward.

02:39:18.820 Last one, we got, we got our boy, uh, 5X DM, body count and fit check at whatever.

02:39:27.220 Me?

02:39:28.440 I think he wants the panel.

02:39:29.660 Okay, really quick.

02:39:30.520 Um, what's your body count?

02:39:32.300 Do I have to?

02:39:33.220 You, you have to.

02:39:34.640 If you don't, um, you will not know how to proceed in life if you don't answer this question.

02:39:41.940 Seven.

02:39:44.500 Zero.

02:39:45.460 Huh?

02:39:46.280 Wait, what?

02:39:46.720 Uh, okay, seven and zero.

02:39:49.740 Zero.

02:39:50.340 Luke, do you want to answer this?

02:39:52.040 I want to, I want to ask what you guys think mine is really quick.

02:39:56.600 How, you're 19, right?

02:39:58.100 I'm 19.

02:39:58.800 I'm fresh out of high school.

02:40:01.920 Three.

02:40:02.440 Five.

02:40:03.660 Yeah, you're close.

02:40:04.420 It's six.

02:40:05.400 Okay.

02:40:06.480 Yeah.

02:40:06.820 Okay, wait, so, zero.

02:40:10.880 Zero.

02:40:12.640 And your longest relationship was a month.

02:40:14.780 Okay.

02:40:15.020 Yeah, that's only because I'm really bad at commitment.

02:40:19.100 You're bad at commitment.

02:40:20.380 Yeah, like, I can't stay with someone.

02:40:21.940 So, just curious, are you, you're not waiting until marriage, though, right?

02:40:26.740 If you are, that's fine.

02:40:27.960 I don't really know.

02:40:28.900 Like, I say I am, but, like, I don't know what's going to happen in the future.

02:40:34.140 Like, what if I find the love of my life and we don't, like, get married, like, instantly?

02:40:38.860 Obviously, like, why would I do that?

02:40:40.440 But, so, you want to wait until you're in love?

02:40:43.040 Yeah, because I don't want to just lose it to, like, someone and then regret it later.

02:40:48.080 Because there's multiple chances that I could have lost it.

02:40:51.020 But, looking back, like, that would have been horrible with those people.

02:40:57.780 So, you're not, because I know there's, like, some people that are virgins, both men and women,

02:41:02.920 that, like, there's some girls, they're virgins, but they're, like, I just want to lose it.

02:41:08.660 Like, they'll, but it sounds like you do genuinely, like, you want to wait.

02:41:13.780 Yeah.

02:41:14.280 Okay.

02:41:15.380 All right.

02:41:16.180 Rock and roll.

02:41:17.940 And then seven.

02:41:19.500 I've had ex-boyfriends, though, so.

02:41:21.680 Seven ex-boyfriends?

02:41:22.500 No, no, no, no, no, like, three.

02:41:26.140 And then, yeah.

02:41:28.940 Yeah, I mean, I'm the same way.

02:41:30.300 I've had three relationships, three exes, so.

02:41:35.840 Okay, good times.

02:41:36.740 There is, there is your answer.

02:41:38.980 What's yours?

02:41:40.400 What's my body count?

02:41:41.320 Yeah, we haven't heard yours yet.

02:41:41.780 Yeah, it's yours.

02:41:42.920 So, not a merch shirt.

02:41:44.880 Is it the, yeah, is it, is it this?

02:41:47.220 This will, I will probably never explain this thing.

02:41:50.380 But, maybe, maybe one of these days, one of these days.

02:41:54.300 Podcast 77, I'll explain it.

02:41:57.000 Dating talk number 77, I'll explain it.

02:41:58.960 But, so, yeah, I don't reveal my body count because I'm a man of God.

02:42:05.340 Girl.

02:42:07.220 And, yeah, I'm very discreet.

02:42:09.880 I don't kiss and tell, so.

02:42:12.860 I don't.

02:42:13.360 You set us up for that one.

02:42:14.340 Yeah.

02:42:15.460 Set up?

02:42:16.060 You got set up?

02:42:16.720 No, but, yeah, I just.

02:42:17.840 Just, because I think body count matters, so.

02:42:24.520 I'm not going to share it.

02:42:25.380 Anyways, okay, I want to thank both of you so much for staying when the other three women left.

02:42:30.680 Luke, you were a fucking legend.

02:42:32.360 Thank you, bro.

02:42:32.820 Love to have you back.

02:42:33.440 Love to have you guys back, too.

02:42:35.560 Yeah, thank you guys so much for coming.

02:42:37.820 And, hold on, let me just get my little.

02:42:39.280 So, we are going to be doing a, normally we're just Tuesday and Thursday with the dating talk show.

02:42:46.420 But, we, I believe we're going to be doing a Sunday night show.

02:42:50.480 So, we're going to be doing a special one on Sunday.

02:42:53.620 It'll be more, I think we're going to aim for like 4v4.

02:42:57.360 Four guys, four girls.

02:42:59.100 But, yeah, thank you guys so much for tuning in.

02:43:00.860 You could be doing anything else, but you're here with me.

02:43:03.440 I appreciate that.

02:43:04.600 Like I said, we most likely will be live again Sunday at 7 p.m.

02:43:08.360 If not, we'll be back again with the dating talk Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific.

02:43:12.980 Thanks again to the panel for joining us.

02:43:16.340 Thank you guys for watching.

02:43:18.420 Thank you guys.

02:43:18.880 You guys are awesome.

02:43:19.860 And, we will see you next time.

02:43:22.140 See you guys.

Whatever Podcast - February 02, 2023

Dating Talk #20

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