Whatever Podcast - Dating Talk #22

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00:03:10.380 So we're going to have the guests introduce themselves, so please tell us your name, age,

00:03:17.740 occupation, and or school major.

00:03:19.660 Me?

00:03:20.260 Yeah.

00:03:20.700 Okay.

00:03:20.920 My name's Kiara.

00:03:22.320 I'm 22, and I'm a bartender downtown.

00:03:25.980 So I'm Justine, I'm 19, and I'm currently a student at UCSB studying political science.

00:03:33.820 I'm Alana, I'm 18, I work at a boutique, and I'm going to SBCC to study journalism.

00:03:41.900 I'm Megan, I'm 20, and I'm a student at UCSB.

00:03:45.520 What are you studying?

00:03:46.760 Psych and brain sciences.

00:03:48.140 Okay.

00:03:48.440 Hi, I'm Asal, I'm 18, and I'm unemployed right now, and I go to SBCC.

00:03:55.440 My major is criminology.

00:03:57.960 Hi, I'm Jay, I'm 19, I go to UCSB, and I'm a sociology major.

00:04:02.880 Hi, I'm Esther, I'm 20, and I'm a psych and brain sciences major at UCSB.

00:04:08.480 Hi, I'm Yukina, I'm 21, and my majors are going to UCSB as well.

00:04:13.720 Okay, sweet, so all the girls' Instagrams are in the description.

00:04:18.900 Show them some love, give them a follow.

00:04:21.620 So, by the way, do you go to UCSB, or did you go to UCSB?

00:04:25.980 I go to UCSB.

00:04:26.900 Okay, really quick, just show of hands, I think everyone here is at UCSB besides two of you go to CC?

00:04:34.340 Is that who goes to UCSB, show of hands?

00:04:38.700 Okay, cool, cool.

00:04:40.220 So I have a question on that shortly here.

00:04:43.180 Actually, no, I'll ask it now.

00:04:45.120 So, do those of you who go to UCSB, when it comes to dating, do you look down upon men who go to Santa Barbara City College?

00:04:55.800 Definitely not.

00:04:56.600 We'll start over here.

00:04:58.040 Well, I don't look down upon men who go to SBCC, but I am 22, so most men at SBCC are like 18, 19.

00:05:09.020 So it's not really my vibe anymore.

00:05:11.280 I don't know.

00:05:13.240 Okay.

00:05:13.680 I don't think they have a goal.

00:05:14.580 Definitely not.

00:05:15.400 Like, you don't know their situation or whatever.

00:05:19.380 Everyone's, you know, just treat everyone equally.

00:05:21.900 Sure.

00:05:22.080 You go to SBCC, so.

00:05:26.040 Actually, you can weigh in.

00:05:27.220 I mean, do you have, do you know this, do you prefer the guys at UCSB, you prefer the guys at SBCC?

00:05:32.700 Well, UCSB just started, but a lot of people say to talk to boys that go to UCSB, not the CC, because.

00:05:40.860 Why is that?

00:05:41.980 I don't know.

00:05:42.520 They say they're immature, but I have to find out myself, so I don't know.

00:05:47.980 Is it your first year at SBCC?

00:05:49.640 Yeah.

00:05:50.080 Okay.

00:05:50.960 So you're still feeling things out?

00:05:54.100 Yeah.

00:05:54.320 Okay.

00:05:55.260 I think there's already plenty of people, plenty of guys at UCSB, so I haven't really had the chance to meet any SBCC people.

00:06:01.560 Sure.

00:06:01.840 So far, it's good.

00:06:02.580 Okay.

00:06:03.260 I'm also with Alana on this one.

00:06:05.960 Everyone says talk to guys that go to UCSB, but right now, I'm okay with SBCC boys, so.

00:06:12.980 So have you two had any bad experiences with any guys at SBCC?

00:06:18.640 With me, I guess, like, some boys just are a little too over in their head at SBCC, just from the ones that I've talked to.

00:06:27.900 Okay.

00:06:28.180 I don't really care.

00:06:33.660 I know a lot of people do.

00:06:35.200 Like, that's kind of a, like, thing that you don't talk to SBCC boys.

00:06:39.440 It's just, like, stay away.

00:06:40.600 I don't know.

00:06:41.720 I have no opinion.

00:06:44.800 Okay.

00:06:45.500 Esther?

00:06:46.060 I'm with Kiara on this one.

00:06:47.620 I mean, they're only a year younger than me, but I feel like that's still, they're younger than me.

00:06:52.960 Sure.

00:06:53.420 So not my vibe as well.

00:06:54.500 I never met, actually, I never met the SBCC guys yet, because I'm a transfer student, and I don't know.

00:07:04.180 Let's see.

00:07:05.120 From where are you a transfer student from?

00:07:07.340 From OCC, Orange Coast College.

00:07:10.820 But you're an international student, right?

00:07:13.140 Yeah.

00:07:13.980 From where?

00:07:14.900 From Japan.

00:07:15.640 Oh, cool.

00:07:16.020 Yes.

00:07:16.600 Cool, cool.

00:07:16.940 So we're going to go around the table again.

00:07:19.860 Current relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on any dating apps?

00:07:24.760 That includes seeking arrangements, by the way.

00:07:27.800 So go ahead.

00:07:29.800 I am currently single.

00:07:32.400 The longest relationship I was in was for three years.

00:07:35.100 And I have a few apps downloaded, but my, like, I'm hidden right now.

00:07:44.080 Does that count?

00:07:46.200 I'm single.

00:07:47.600 My longest relationship, less than a year.

00:07:50.240 I can't even count.

00:07:52.640 And I'm not currently on any dating apps.

00:07:55.120 I was, but not right at this moment.

00:07:57.740 But you were previously on dating apps.

00:08:01.140 Which ones?

00:08:02.220 Tinder.

00:08:03.400 That's really it.

00:08:04.280 Just Tinder?

00:08:04.860 Just Tinder.

00:08:05.460 Christian Mingle?

00:08:06.380 No.

00:08:07.440 Not my vibe.

00:08:08.560 Farmers only?

00:08:09.480 Farmers only.

00:08:10.440 That's a good one.

00:08:11.480 Go ahead.

00:08:12.220 I am single.

00:08:13.580 My longest relationship was six months, and I'm banned from Tinder.

00:08:19.960 Do you know why?

00:08:21.800 It's because I didn't think I was old enough, and that's because I got it when I was 16.

00:08:26.740 So, I wasn't old enough, but now I am.

00:08:30.760 Hold on.

00:08:31.760 You were on Tinder when you were 16.

00:08:33.880 Yes.

00:08:35.020 And you're 19 now?

00:08:36.380 I'm 18.

00:08:37.120 You're 18.

00:08:38.700 Okay.

00:08:39.860 So, you got some dudes in trouble, or what?

00:08:43.520 Well, I didn't actually, like, hang out with them.

00:08:45.840 It was just fun to, like, swipe.

00:08:48.300 It was just fun to swipe?

00:08:49.680 Yeah.

00:08:50.740 Actually, I want to add something.

00:08:53.520 You know what?

00:08:54.060 And we'll go around the table, but I do want to add a question to the dating app thing.

00:08:59.840 So, go ahead.

00:09:01.100 Currently single.

00:09:02.080 I'm not on any apps, and longest relationship was less than a year.

00:09:06.320 Okay.

00:09:07.200 I'm currently single.

00:09:08.580 Wait.

00:09:08.820 So, two weeks?

00:09:09.860 No.

00:09:10.100 Less than a year.

00:09:11.200 So, it was a two week?

00:09:12.680 No.

00:09:12.860 It was, like, six months.

00:09:13.860 Okay.

00:09:14.120 Go ahead.

00:09:14.480 I'm currently single, but I had, like, a fling, but I wouldn't call it a relationship,

00:09:19.300 because it was, like, technically a 30-day free trial.

00:09:22.340 So, yeah.

00:09:24.980 I felt bad.

00:09:26.180 Wait.

00:09:26.660 It was a 30-day free trial?

00:09:28.980 Yeah, because it didn't pass the month.

00:09:30.800 So, like...

00:09:30.980 So, that was your longest...

00:09:33.000 Yeah.

00:09:33.440 Less than 30 days?

00:09:34.620 Yeah.

00:09:34.920 Okay.

00:09:35.900 Cool.

00:09:36.840 Oh, did you say any dating apps?

00:09:38.620 No dating apps.

00:09:39.780 No.

00:09:40.340 Have you ever...

00:09:40.820 You've never been on one, or...?

00:09:42.760 No.

00:09:43.020 No, absolutely not.

00:09:44.500 Seeking arrangements?

00:09:47.240 None recently.

00:09:48.700 Well, hold on.

00:09:49.440 Hold on.

00:09:49.940 So, you were on seeking arrangements?

00:09:52.160 Like, no.

00:09:54.160 No, no.

00:09:54.880 No, no, no.

00:09:56.660 What?

00:09:58.060 Huh?

00:09:58.580 No, I wasn't.

00:09:59.260 I wasn't.

00:09:59.640 Sorry.

00:10:00.940 Okay.

00:10:01.600 Go ahead.

00:10:03.360 I'm not on the market.

00:10:05.940 So, you have a partner?

00:10:08.360 Yeah.

00:10:09.740 Okay.

00:10:10.820 That's all.

00:10:12.240 What was it?

00:10:13.020 Next question.

00:10:13.500 Next question.

00:10:15.180 Longest relationship, and are you...

00:10:18.620 Well, if you're currently in a relationship, I don't suspect that you're on any dating apps,

00:10:23.600 but...

00:10:23.840 No.

00:10:24.080 You could answer that.

00:10:25.000 Are you...

00:10:25.580 Were you on any dating apps in the past?

00:10:28.400 No.

00:10:29.080 Not really.

00:10:29.740 No.

00:10:30.640 I, like, had it, but I never...

00:10:32.200 It was always private.

00:10:33.860 I just, like...

00:10:34.800 I was just there.

00:10:35.640 Private on the dating apps?

00:10:36.400 Yeah.

00:10:36.680 Like, you can, like, switch it off.

00:10:37.700 Is that how you met your current boyfriend?

00:10:39.560 No.

00:10:40.560 Okay.

00:10:41.500 And you said your longest relationship was...

00:10:44.480 Oh, um, like, like, all together.

00:10:49.060 So, was it on again, off again?

00:10:50.700 Yeah.

00:10:51.060 Like, on...

00:10:51.880 Like, two weeks.

00:10:53.480 Wait.

00:10:54.040 Hold on.

00:10:55.040 All together, like, eight months.

00:10:56.940 Oh, okay.

00:10:58.440 Wait.

00:11:00.040 So, your longest...

00:11:01.740 So, you guys broke up every fortnight.

00:11:05.200 Every 14 days, you guys would break up, is what you're saying, or...

00:11:09.040 So, the longest you've ever had was two weeks?

00:11:13.740 No.

00:11:14.140 There's, like, other people, but...

00:11:15.500 I don't say I dated them, but they say they dated me, so I don't count that.

00:11:19.460 You're gonna...

00:11:20.160 Okay.

00:11:20.540 You gotta explain that one a little bit.

00:11:22.660 Um...

00:11:23.340 I just...

00:11:24.980 Um...

00:11:25.500 Like, what do you want me to explain about it?

00:11:27.200 Like, why do I don't say...

00:11:28.680 They...

00:11:29.220 Well, you said you weren't dating them, but they would say that they were dating you.

00:11:33.800 Yeah.

00:11:34.460 Um...

00:11:34.780 I didn't really like them.

00:11:37.160 Quite like...

00:11:38.320 Did you sleep with them?

00:11:39.960 Uh...

00:11:40.560 No.

00:11:43.000 Okay.

00:11:43.700 Moving on.

00:11:44.880 Esther.

00:11:45.620 Okay.

00:11:46.140 So, I'm currently single.

00:11:47.620 My longest relationship was about a year, and I'm not on any dating apps right now.

00:11:53.440 Have you ever been on one?

00:11:54.700 Yeah.

00:11:55.140 When I was traveling, I just wanted to scope out what was happening.

00:11:59.720 Okay.

00:12:00.100 All right.

00:12:02.780 Yukina.

00:12:03.500 Me, the longest relationship was two years.

00:12:08.320 And then, since that relationship, I am single.

00:12:16.200 I don't use anymore.

00:12:18.520 I was using the Apple, Tinder and the Bumble before, but I don't use anymore right now.

00:12:24.740 Okay.

00:12:25.320 Cool.

00:12:25.700 Cool.

00:12:26.260 So, I'd mentioned, as we were kind of going around, we talked a little bit about dating

00:12:30.600 apps.

00:12:30.800 So, have any of you, those of you who have at some point been on a dating app, have you,

00:12:37.960 any of you never met a guy in person from a dating app?

00:12:41.220 Like, never met?

00:12:44.620 Yeah.

00:12:44.940 Never met up in person.

00:12:46.200 I've never, no.

00:12:46.860 But you've had a dating app, but you've never met up with anybody.

00:12:49.360 Yeah.

00:12:49.620 What about you?

00:12:50.500 I've met up with only one out of, like, however long I was on it, because I don't trust men.

00:12:57.240 You don't trust men?

00:12:58.320 Like, you really have to convince me, and out of all the guys, I guess one did.

00:13:04.080 The guy has to convince you?

00:13:05.740 Yeah.

00:13:06.420 To meet up?

00:13:07.400 Yeah.

00:13:07.680 How did he convince you?

00:13:09.040 He's five now.

00:13:09.380 Just, like, trust.

00:13:12.260 How many months was he talking to you before you finally met up with him?

00:13:16.820 That might be an exaggeration, but.

00:13:18.640 It was, like, a week of, like, talking, and then he was like, let's hang out.

00:13:22.720 And I was like, do I, and then I literally told him, convince me, and then he convinced me.

00:13:30.560 Yeah.

00:13:31.540 You told him, convince me?

00:13:33.480 Yeah.

00:13:34.300 And what was his response when you said, convince me?

00:13:37.940 Was he like, fuck you, or was he like, no, here's all my good.

00:13:41.940 No, he was really sweet.

00:13:42.740 Like, it wasn't, like, a scary thing.

00:13:45.580 Like, he was a sweet guy, responsible, nice, just overall really great.

00:13:52.980 I want to ask the table this.

00:13:54.600 If you were talking to a guy and he said, convince me to date you, what would your response be to that?

00:14:02.080 I wouldn't even respond.

00:14:03.660 I'd be like a laughing emoji.

00:14:05.280 What would you think of him if he said that?

00:14:07.440 I think he's out of his fucking mind.

00:14:09.640 I'm not, like, for a guy to do it?

00:14:11.220 Yeah.

00:14:11.420 No, you're out of your mind.

00:14:12.120 It's like, wear the prize here.

00:14:13.620 Yeah.

00:14:13.940 Women are the prize.

00:14:15.260 Why is that?

00:14:16.660 I don't know.

00:14:17.320 You just have to, like, really make yourself worthy enough.

00:14:22.720 For me to talk to you and, like, spend my, like, give you my attention.

00:14:28.460 And if you're not worthy enough, then on to the next.

00:14:31.600 I'm going to come back to that really quick, but I want to just go around the table on my question.

00:14:35.140 So what would your response be if a guy said, you're talking to him, you know, you're both kind of interested in each other, but he says, convince me to meet up with you or convince me to date you.

00:14:45.540 I would do the same, and I would just not respond.

00:14:49.700 Not respond as well.

00:14:51.380 I would not respond.

00:14:53.560 LOL.

00:14:55.220 I wouldn't respond.

00:14:57.340 I would not respond.

00:14:58.760 Okay.

00:14:59.340 There you go.

00:14:59.920 There you go.

00:15:00.480 I also do have to say, it was mostly a joke.

00:15:03.640 Like, convince me is just kind of me being, like, sarcastic and funny and, like, oh, convince me and maybe I'll go.

00:15:09.780 You know?

00:15:10.920 And then it's, like.

00:15:11.600 You sure about that?

00:15:13.440 I mean.

00:15:13.920 It was a joke?

00:15:14.980 Usually a lot of things I say is, like, nothing I say serious with men sometimes.

00:15:19.500 So I'm, like.

00:15:20.120 Or are you walking it back now that all the girls at the table said they'd clown on the guy for doing that same exact thing?

00:15:26.300 That's just, like, my personality.

00:15:26.920 I just, I'm very sarcastic.

00:15:29.080 Sure.

00:15:29.520 So you're, okay.

00:15:30.480 That's fine.

00:15:31.880 And then they actually, like, give me the energy I, like, wanted, I guess.

00:15:35.140 Like, they go along with the jokes, you know?

00:15:37.400 And then that's when it's, like, oh, cool.

00:15:40.060 Okay.

00:15:40.560 So you're the prize.

00:15:42.800 I don't know.

00:15:43.880 Why?

00:15:47.020 You know, my mom always told me to, like, go for a guy who just, who really respects you.

00:15:55.380 And just.

00:15:56.840 Okay.

00:15:57.140 Next question.

00:15:58.020 Sorry.

00:15:59.760 Okay.

00:16:00.460 So, but you said.

00:16:02.160 So, I guess since you're the prize, what.

00:16:06.500 See, that was, like, mostly a joke again.

00:16:08.160 Like, I'm just, nothing I say is serious.

00:16:11.080 I don't know.

00:16:12.420 Okay.

00:16:12.860 Fair enough.

00:16:13.860 I do want to open this up to the rest of the panel, though.

00:16:16.680 When it comes to relationships, interacting with men, do you, who do you consider to be the prize?

00:16:23.740 If you, if you even view it in that way.

00:16:27.280 Go ahead.

00:16:27.580 I don't view either of us to be a prize.

00:16:33.180 Scoot the microphone that way towards you.

00:16:35.380 Just perfect.

00:16:36.060 That way?

00:16:36.380 Yeah.

00:16:36.680 Perfect.

00:16:36.960 You good?

00:16:37.780 Go for it.

00:16:38.640 No, I don't view either of us to be a prize, especially being, like, bisexual, dating women.

00:16:43.020 Oh, you're bi.

00:16:43.760 Yeah.

00:16:43.980 Okay.

00:16:44.140 So, it's, like, I don't know.

00:16:45.820 Let me ask you a question on that.

00:16:46.680 Is anyone else here bisexual?

00:16:49.000 I don't know.

00:16:51.040 Just you two?

00:16:52.420 Okay.

00:16:53.960 So, just a real quick question on that.

00:16:55.900 Do you prefer dating men or women?

00:17:00.320 Or dealing with men or women?

00:17:02.360 Women.

00:17:03.240 Okay.

00:17:03.880 And what about you?

00:17:05.720 Woman.

00:17:06.800 And really quick, just why?

00:17:07.960 Well, like, nowadays, especially, about 60 to 70% of men are, I'll say 50, I'll make

00:17:16.180 it even lower for you guys, of men are incels, and you just gotta wave.

00:17:19.560 50% of men are involuntary celibate.

00:17:24.580 Yeah.

00:17:25.360 So, they're just, I don't know if the numbers are that high.

00:17:28.760 They're just hard to deal with.

00:17:29.760 Like, they're just so hard to deal with.

00:17:31.780 I've never really connected as deeply with a man as I have a woman before.

00:17:37.120 Sure.

00:17:37.300 I don't know if it's the men I'm seeking out, probably.

00:17:41.060 But, yeah, overall easier to deal with women than men in my experience.

00:17:46.700 Okay.

00:17:47.160 And what about for you?

00:17:47.740 Actually, to go back on that, equally, I like both.

00:17:51.700 Because they both have their issues, you know, men and women.

00:17:56.080 So, you get what you get, you know?

00:17:58.740 Like, you just have to go through and find a good woman or a man, so.

00:18:04.740 Okay.

00:18:05.180 Fair enough.

00:18:05.700 Fair enough.

00:18:06.060 Just really quick on that, too.

00:18:08.900 When y'all go on a date with a woman, who pays for you two?

00:18:16.460 When I'm on a date with a woman?

00:18:17.560 Yeah.

00:18:17.880 Who pays?

00:18:21.160 It depends.

00:18:22.960 Is this, like, a first date?

00:18:24.120 Like, first meeting?

00:18:24.900 Sure, sure.

00:18:25.060 First date?

00:18:25.520 First date, I've never paid for a first date, no.

00:18:27.980 How many of the women you've dated that you've had first dates with, like, how many first

00:18:34.380 dates with women would you say you've had?

00:18:36.880 Like, probably five.

00:18:37.900 Five?

00:18:38.420 Yeah.

00:18:38.680 So, you've never paid on any of those?

00:18:40.940 No.

00:18:41.360 So, they always asked you out?

00:18:43.120 Yes.

00:18:43.800 Okay.

00:18:44.740 Yeah, that's because...

00:18:45.300 And where did you meet them?

00:18:46.680 San Francisco, my hometown.

00:18:48.420 Okay.

00:18:48.760 I haven't, I've dated one girl from out here.

00:18:51.320 I see.

00:18:51.900 Okay.

00:18:52.400 Yeah.

00:18:52.780 I feel like it's usually they're asking me out on dates, so whoever's asking out on

00:18:56.080 the date is paying for the date.

00:18:57.680 I'm not paying for something if you asked me to join you.

00:19:00.280 Okay.

00:19:00.640 We'll talk about that later.

00:19:02.160 So, I want to bring it back to the prize thing.

00:19:05.480 So, did you get to answer that?

00:19:07.540 So, what do you, how do you view the prize?

00:19:10.740 Who's the prize dynamic?

00:19:12.900 I feel like it should be equal.

00:19:14.840 Sure.

00:19:15.840 Yeah.

00:19:16.620 I don't think there is one at all.

00:19:18.140 It's just, we both bring things to the table, so there's not who's more worthier and stuff.

00:19:24.080 I also agree with her on that.

00:19:27.340 I think it kind of depends, like, what you're going into it for.

00:19:31.040 Like, if you're, like, looking for a hookup, like, I guess, like, both parties are a prize

00:19:34.460 because it's, like, you want the same thing, or I guess the hookup is the prize.

00:19:37.920 But, like, in terms of relationship, I don't think there's, like, exactly, like, this is,

00:19:42.340 like, she's a prize or whatever.

00:19:43.400 I mean, like, guys will be, like, oh, like, she's a dime, she's a prize, whatever, which

00:19:46.580 is, like, nice.

00:19:47.180 But I don't think it's, like, an actual thing, like, people think about.

00:19:51.200 Yeah, I think it's an entirely mutual decision.

00:19:53.680 Like, if you're both interested in each other, you both want to pursue each other.

00:19:57.300 And then sometimes it happens in situations when one person is more interested than the

00:20:01.840 other.

00:20:02.200 But we can see across cultures how some are more male-dominated.

00:20:05.820 So maybe the more Eastern cultures, it's still viewed that way.

00:20:09.080 I don't agree with it, but it's just how it is.

00:20:11.240 And in more Western cultures, we've shifted to a more equal perspective, which I think I'm more

00:20:17.160 on board with.

00:20:19.420 I'm the same as her, like, equal.

00:20:22.460 Okay, cool, cool.

00:20:24.240 So you were the only one that, if I recall, that is currently in a relationship.

00:20:29.620 Is that right?

00:20:30.540 Is anybody else in a relationship?

00:20:32.180 Everyone else is single?

00:20:33.560 Okay, all the single ladies.

00:20:34.520 So, a lot of you said you were single.

00:20:37.480 I feel like this term single, it's a very vague term.

00:20:41.540 So, especially in 2022.

00:20:46.160 So, I'm curious.

00:20:49.880 When's the last time that you've hooked up with somebody?

00:20:54.400 What day is it today?

00:20:55.980 Thursday?

00:20:57.220 Tuesday.

00:20:57.840 Tuesday.

00:20:58.240 Third Tuesday.

00:20:58.740 Wait, yes.

00:20:59.420 Like, four days ago?

00:21:02.400 Four days ago?

00:21:03.000 Okay.

00:21:04.800 I cannot disclose.

00:21:06.640 Okay, fair enough.

00:21:08.080 It depends what your definition of hookup is.

00:21:11.260 Slept with someone.

00:21:12.840 Okay.

00:21:14.260 Like, two months ago.

00:21:15.860 Sure.

00:21:16.660 I'll pass.

00:21:17.640 Okay.

00:21:18.340 Last week.

00:21:20.960 We already know her.

00:21:22.160 Okay, Esther?

00:21:22.980 I'll pass.

00:21:24.020 Okay.

00:21:24.660 I'll pass.

00:21:25.540 All right.

00:21:26.000 I think the answer to that is last night.

00:21:28.720 Okay, I'm just kidding.

00:21:30.160 So, I want to, this is kind of like the last one before I get into some of the more specific

00:21:37.160 topics for tonight.

00:21:38.120 We have a couple video reactions, too.

00:21:41.100 So, hold on, guys.

00:21:43.280 Let me pull this up here really quick.

00:21:45.260 So, before I get into the questions, is there anything dating related that you want to get

00:21:51.080 off your chest?

00:21:52.520 So, just to give you guys a couple prompts, maybe you recently had a bad date experience.

00:21:56.680 Men are pissing you off in some way.

00:21:59.120 Or, I guess for you, too, women are also pissing you off in some way.

00:22:02.360 There's a trend in dating that annoys you.

00:22:05.900 Frustration when it comes to dealing with men.

00:22:08.940 Anything you just want to get off your chest, dating related.

00:22:11.220 Go ahead.

00:22:12.440 Well, I don't know.

00:22:16.760 I don't even know how to sum it up.

00:22:17.760 But, like, if somebody has a conversation with you about what they want with you, be it something

00:22:24.520 exclusive or not exclusive, don't be mad if you try to change their mind and it doesn't

00:22:30.420 work.

00:22:31.740 Does that make sense?

00:22:34.040 Yeah.

00:22:34.480 Sort of.

00:22:34.920 So, like, if I tell you we're hooking up and we're not going to date, don't try your

00:22:39.060 hardest.

00:22:39.920 So, we're going to date because I'm not going to change my mind.

00:22:42.720 We're not going to date.

00:22:43.760 Oh, so this is you.

00:22:45.360 Oh, yes.

00:22:46.620 Okay.

00:22:47.080 She belongs to the street.

00:22:48.240 Just kidding.

00:22:48.840 I'm just kidding.

00:22:49.620 But, so, and so you're not looking for anything serious.

00:22:53.300 Not right now, no.

00:22:54.260 I'm 22.

00:22:55.200 I bartend downtown.

00:22:56.440 You're lying to yourself if you think you're going to have a serious relationship while

00:23:01.700 you're partying in Ivy or partying downtown over here, in my opinion, from what I've seen.

00:23:06.700 At some point in the future, do you want a serious relationship, you think, or?

00:23:11.460 I don't know.

00:23:12.260 Maybe.

00:23:13.280 Maybe.

00:23:13.620 I like being alone right now.

00:23:14.940 Okay.

00:23:15.740 Do you want kids?

00:23:17.620 Maybe.

00:23:18.380 Maybe.

00:23:18.960 Okay.

00:23:19.240 Fair enough.

00:23:19.660 I guess just, like, don't get people's hopes up and, like, treat it like a relationship

00:23:27.200 when it's not and, like, you know it won't be, but you're, like, getting the other person's

00:23:33.140 hopes up that it will be eventually and then it doesn't happen and then it just ends badly

00:23:38.720 and I think that's really mean.

00:23:42.760 Did you have an experience or?

00:23:45.560 I will not disclose.

00:23:47.000 Was it, so was it you doing that or was it the guy doing that?

00:23:51.640 I just think it's, like, a universal experience for a lot of people.

00:23:57.160 So the other person kind of playing that they're looking for something serious but really they're

00:24:02.940 just keeping you around for sex, essentially.

00:24:06.800 That too, yeah.

00:24:08.420 That too?

00:24:09.380 Yeah.

00:24:09.900 Okay.

00:24:12.160 Yeah.

00:24:12.820 Okay.

00:24:13.140 The only problem with dating I have, like, at our age is that dating is not even a thing.

00:24:21.360 Like, when you're older, you go out on dates.

00:24:24.120 You don't have to like them.

00:24:25.040 You get to know them and then you might stop talking after that.

00:24:28.800 But, like, our age, it's just hooking up.

00:24:32.160 And then maybe after hooking up, you'll date.

00:24:35.920 But, like, it's always, like, you hook up first.

00:24:38.220 Yes.

00:24:40.120 Okay.

00:24:40.840 And are you, you dislike that it's kind of straight to hook up?

00:24:46.440 Do you want to do the kind of more traditional courtship, let's say?

00:24:51.120 Not right now, but, like, it'd be nice if it was an option.

00:24:54.540 It would be nice if it was an option?

00:24:56.240 Yeah.

00:24:56.620 With, how so?

00:24:58.040 Like, I'm busy right now.

00:24:59.180 I can't.

00:25:00.200 Okay.

00:25:00.540 And I can't put, like, I'm good alone right now and I don't want to, like, add someone to that if I can't give them my attention.

00:25:08.260 But a year from now, maybe I'll want to go on a date, but it's going to be SBCC and UCSB boys.

00:25:18.040 Who, and maybe they don't want that.

00:25:21.800 I don't know.

00:25:22.820 Okay.

00:25:24.300 And just really quick around the table, do any of you, well, this might have already been some of your guys' things that you wanted to say as we went around,

00:25:34.180 but do any of you dislike the hookup culture and that there's a lack of going on dates?

00:25:44.940 I dislike the hookup culture because it's just, like, having sex with no feelings or connection is meaningless.

00:25:55.320 And I just don't think it's fun.

00:25:56.920 Um, and hook, hook, for, like, dating, um, me personally, I date to marry.

00:26:04.360 That's why I've never dated anyone before because I always want to know so I don't get let on because everyone just wants to hook up.

00:26:11.900 Wait, you date to marry?

00:26:13.600 Yes.

00:26:16.180 How old are you, by the way?

00:26:17.580 I'm 18, but, you know, like, you date for a couple of years and then, because it's never too early.

00:26:24.420 So you want to get married?

00:26:26.060 Yes.

00:26:26.420 Like, if you met the right guy, you'd get married in three years or something?

00:26:29.920 Yes.

00:26:30.560 Okay.

00:26:31.260 And you want to have kids pretty soon or what do you?

00:26:33.580 Um, no.

00:26:34.820 Ever?

00:26:35.780 Um, I despise kids, but, like, I'm open to the option.

00:26:41.340 Okay.

00:26:41.800 And why, so why do you want to get married?

00:26:43.520 I want to get married because I think when you find that significant other that you want to spend the rest of your life with,

00:26:49.520 it's better than just going on dates with random boys and, um, trying the same conversation over again.

00:26:57.360 What's your favorite color?

00:26:58.560 Like, you don't want to keep saying that.

00:27:00.000 Like, I'm over it.

00:27:00.760 I don't care about your favorite color.

00:27:02.200 You, you get that a lot?

00:27:03.380 Yes.

00:27:03.780 On dates?

00:27:03.980 Favorite color?

00:27:04.940 Yes.

00:27:05.320 What?

00:27:07.320 What?

00:27:09.180 Okay.

00:27:10.040 I don't know why any guy would ask that, but.

00:27:11.680 Mm-hmm.

00:27:12.020 Anyways, uh, so, but what, you said you want to be married, like, couldn't you achieve that through a long-term relationship?

00:27:20.500 Or, like, just a life partner?

00:27:23.060 Just, I don't know, because for me, my, mostly because my mom always says date to marry, and, because that's what she did,

00:27:33.280 and she says it's like you could develop a better connection that way, so you guys are committed to each other.

00:27:39.100 Is your mom, is she religious?

00:27:45.200 Um, yes.

00:27:46.260 What?

00:27:46.840 Christian?

00:27:47.580 Uh, we're Christian.

00:27:48.580 Okay.

00:27:49.900 Date to marry.

00:27:50.640 And so, thus far in your life, have you adhered to the date to marry principle, or not so much?

00:27:58.880 So, I didn't date anybody, because I was waiting until I become of, like, a certain age to start dating.

00:28:05.460 Sure.

00:28:05.680 To go into marriage.

00:28:08.100 Yeah.

00:28:08.580 So, have you, wait, but hold on, but you've gone on dates, it sounds like, because of the whole color thing.

00:28:13.440 Um, I've given a try, but, because once you talk to them, and you feel the vibe, you know, you don't know if you're, like, connecting with that person,

00:28:21.820 and if you are comfortable with them, so you just never go on another date, so, yeah.

00:28:28.260 Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

00:28:30.400 Did you want to come in on this?

00:28:31.620 Yeah, um, I think, like, hookup culture, it could, like, go, like, it could, like, be good.

00:28:38.480 I think, like, in college especially, like, there's kind of, like, you know, some negative connotation around it,

00:28:44.740 but I think if you look at it, like, in a way where you're prepared for hookup culture, and you're not going into it, like, out setting your boundaries,

00:28:52.020 that's usually when there's, like, a problem, because, like, a lot of people can learn a lot about themselves, or, like, their sexuality, or, like, about people,

00:28:58.460 and what they, like, really like when they're, like, meeting people, dating, hooking up, whatever.

00:29:02.200 And if, like, you go into hookup culture, like, wanting to date someone, that's usually when it's a problem, because it's, like, you know, like, that's not usually what the other party wants.

00:29:13.380 So, it's kind of just, like, you need to set your boundaries, like, to see how you, like, really feel about hookup culture and dating in general.

00:29:19.240 Sure. Go ahead.

00:29:21.240 For me, like, I grew up with Japanese culture, and then we do a little bit of hookup culture between, like, college students, maybe.

00:29:29.940 But I've never been to college in Japan, so I cannot say, like, yes or not.

00:29:34.440 But, like, hookup, I'm tired of hookup culture, because, like, a lot of guys asking me, like, like, are you Asian?

00:29:41.620 And then, like, they just want to fuck me.

00:29:43.980 Like, on Tinder, like, on the Bumble, or on the Instagram, they just want to fuck me, and then they just ask me, like, you want to come over at night, always.

00:29:53.660 Even if I want to date with this guy, but he just want to fuck me, because I'm Japanese.

00:29:57.920 And then, you know, Japanese culture has more, like, porn or something.

00:30:02.000 Like, guys think about fetishism.

00:30:03.960 Yeah, fetishism.

00:30:05.240 It's so stupid.

00:30:06.540 Like, I'm tired of it.

00:30:07.840 I mean, there's definitely guys who have, like, fetishes for Asian women, but I would suspect if you ask the rest of the panel, I think guys just want to fuck, period.

00:30:20.980 I don't know if it has so much to do with you being Japanese, but you are right, guys, especially on the dating apps, they kind of just want to come over.

00:30:34.840 Let's fuck.

00:30:35.340 Anyways, okay, so did you want to come in, or?

00:30:39.360 Well, like, because I, the hookup culture here is definitely strong.

00:30:43.400 It's strong in any college town, but it's just strong anywhere coming to this age where you're, a lot of you guys are just, you know, first year or second year out of high school, where it was more taboo to talk about.

00:30:53.780 But it's, like, you just have to, like, yeah, there's a lot of guys out there, that's all they want to do.

00:30:56.960 But then there's also a bunch of guys out there who probably would like to take you on a few dates and get drinks and do that.

00:31:01.700 So you just have to, like, like, sort them out, too.

00:31:05.080 It's, like, it's, like, like I said earlier, it's the guys you're attracting or approaching.

00:31:09.440 And then also, like, one last thing what us all said earlier about dating to marry.

00:31:14.700 I remember saying that, too, before, but then you kind of, you might always keep this opinion, but then you'll realize when you get older, you kind of date for experiences.

00:31:22.720 Because you can't know what you like in a long-term relationship or what you want in a partner until you kind of actually experience it firsthand.

00:31:29.720 So I kind of, I used to date to marry, and obviously that's, like, the long-term goal of any relationship.

00:31:36.740 But sometimes you have to date to see what you even really want.

00:31:40.440 You want them to come in? Go ahead.

00:31:41.400 Yeah, I was going to add on to what you're saying.

00:31:44.220 I feel like everyone, like, people come into college with different levels of emotional maturity.

00:31:49.480 And so I think the problem with hookup culture is that people come into it with different expectations, but then all want, like, sort of, like, they all experience things with each other.

00:32:02.960 But then no one wants the same things because no one, people at this age, I feel like, don't really know what they want.

00:32:08.440 So some people come and just say, oh, I want to hookup, but then this other person might say, might think, oh, like, I might want to hookup, but then through that, learn that, oh, they actually want a date.

00:32:17.540 But during that process, someone gets hurt.

00:32:19.900 So that's, like, the issue where people don't really know what they want.

00:32:22.740 But through the, like, under the, I don't know, the claim of, oh, I just want to experience things, realize that, oh, that's actually not what I want at all.

00:32:31.120 Okay, let's just move on from this.

00:32:34.660 So I think going back to the anything dating related you want to get off your chest, you went, right?

00:32:41.500 Did you get an opportunity?

00:32:42.900 I just kind of went, yeah.

00:32:43.520 What's that?

00:32:43.960 I kind of just went, so.

00:32:45.100 That was your thing?

00:32:45.800 Yeah.

00:32:46.040 Okay, go ahead.

00:32:47.580 Sorry, what was the question again?

00:32:48.800 So, yeah, it was just kind of going back a couple little things.

00:32:51.940 So is there anything dating related you want to get off your chest?

00:32:55.060 So maybe you've recently had a bad date.

00:32:58.060 Men are pissing you off in some way.

00:32:59.440 There's a trend in dating that annoys you.

00:33:01.800 Or women are pissing you off in some way since you're bi.

00:33:05.400 I think everything, so, because since I've been on just, like, a couple of dates with some people, I, so I feel bad when we're going on a date.

00:33:17.380 And, like, they have to pay for everything.

00:33:20.260 Like, pretend you're going to the movies.

00:33:22.540 And so my mom always said, like, try to split, you know, don't make them do everything.

00:33:27.500 Sure.

00:33:27.680 Be equal.

00:33:28.260 So, like, if we're going on, like, a movie date, like, you get the snacks or I'll get the tickets or you get the tickets, I'll get the snacks.

00:33:35.980 So they don't think, like, you know, I'm, because some men just think, oh, they're after my money.

00:33:41.480 So I just don't want them to think that.

00:33:43.980 So your issue with dating is that you're frustrated that you have to split, or what do you mean?

00:33:54.260 I'm frustrated that, like, just, like, if you don't offer to, like, you know, split, they assume that you're a gold digger.

00:34:01.140 The men are assuming if the woman doesn't offer to split.

00:34:06.340 Yeah.

00:34:08.540 That's been your experience?

00:34:09.820 Yes.

00:34:13.140 Eh.

00:34:13.500 I don't know if guys are, I think it's nice for a woman to offer to split.

00:34:20.380 But I think women should pay for men.

00:34:24.120 Actually, no, I'm kidding.

00:34:24.740 Never.

00:34:25.520 No, you wouldn't?

00:34:26.260 No?

00:34:26.780 If we're in a relationship, sure, like, you might get tickets, you might get popcorn, but no.

00:34:33.240 Maybe it's your birthday.

00:34:33.940 By the way, I was being a bit, women should not pay for the guy, but I think paying for your own check, I think, is the go-to move.

00:34:44.400 But you disagree, so why is that?

00:34:46.880 Paying my own check?

00:34:48.160 Yeah, so you go on a date, let's say you go for dinner.

00:34:50.040 And we split checks.

00:34:51.220 Yeah, whatever, you get wings, and he gets a hamburger, he pays for the burger, you pay for the wings.

00:34:58.120 That will never, either it's going to be, if we're in a relationship, if it's the first date, I told you I'm not paying for a first date.

00:35:04.400 But if we're in a relationship, then I'll-

00:35:06.160 Even if you ask, which apparently you've never done.

00:35:08.600 If I ask for what?

00:35:09.260 To split the check?

00:35:09.800 No, if you ask the guy or the girl out on the date, which apparently you've never done.

00:35:14.920 Yeah, if I ask them, then sure.

00:35:17.840 But you don't.

00:35:18.540 I don't think I see that happening.

00:35:19.920 Okay, so whoever should pay is what you're-

00:35:24.360 Yes, but if me, my boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever, we just want to go out and get some ice cream, whatever, yeah, maybe I'll pay for the ice cream.

00:35:29.580 Maybe you'll pay.

00:35:30.300 But, like, that's not a problem for me, but, like, a sit-down, like, it's our anniversary or something, no, I'm not paying for that.

00:35:37.940 Anniversary, the guy should pay.

00:35:41.460 What about Valentine's Day?

00:35:44.160 Are you expecting-

00:35:45.260 What do you expect on Valentine's Day?

00:35:47.560 I always give a gift on Valentine's Day.

00:35:50.400 What's the gift?

00:35:51.480 It depends on the person.

00:35:53.020 Okay.

00:35:53.980 Is it an actual gift, or is it just-

00:35:56.460 No, we have actual gifts.

00:35:57.180 Okay.

00:35:57.640 Yeah.

00:35:58.140 Some girls are going to be like, I'm going to fuck you on Valentine's Day.

00:36:01.660 I'm like, okay.

00:36:02.240 Yeah, that's your gift.

00:36:02.440 No.

00:36:02.940 That's your gift?

00:36:03.740 Okay.

00:36:04.240 No, I remember, like, last time my ex, I think I got him, like, two new PlayStation controllers or something.

00:36:09.180 Okay.

00:36:09.340 And, like, some V-Bucks.

00:36:11.340 I don't even know what the hell they were doing back then.

00:36:12.760 V-Bucks.

00:36:13.400 Yeah.

00:36:13.620 Okay.

00:36:14.460 That tells you how my last relationship went.

00:36:16.620 Okay.

00:36:16.940 So, he played video games.

00:36:18.440 Yeah.

00:36:18.640 Wow.

00:36:18.720 There's a lot of stuff I want to touch on there.

00:36:21.340 But the guy should pay.

00:36:24.480 Let's go around the table on this.

00:36:25.720 Who should pay on the first date?

00:36:27.040 I mean, if the guy asked me out on a date, I would expect them to pay, but I would also offer all the time.

00:36:35.200 Like, every time, I've always been like, oh, I can also, like, pay for my thing.

00:36:39.660 Like, the offer's always going to be there for me.

00:36:42.520 Like, I'm always going to offer.

00:36:44.020 And then they'll either say, like, sure, or, like, no, I got it.

00:36:47.560 So, you would overtly offer?

00:36:50.460 Yeah.

00:36:50.880 Okay.

00:36:51.840 So.

00:36:52.560 And then if they, like, take me up on that offer, I would be a little bit like, oh, okay.

00:36:58.660 But usually they don't.

00:37:00.720 Wait.

00:37:01.080 So, what you offer, the guy's like, sure, okay, cool.

00:37:06.320 And I'll just.

00:37:06.840 And you'll feel a certain type of way about that.

00:37:08.940 I'll just be like, oh, like, you asked me on this day and you're not going to.

00:37:12.980 It's fine, though.

00:37:13.620 It's fine, though.

00:37:14.100 I, like, understand people's situations.

00:37:16.260 Sure.

00:37:16.700 Where they, like, might not be able to pay, which is understandable.

00:37:20.780 So.

00:37:21.740 So, would you.

00:37:22.940 And you said you might.

00:37:25.200 Would that be something that's going on in your head?

00:37:27.100 Like, a thought process?

00:37:27.900 Or you would actually be like.

00:37:30.800 Hold on.

00:37:31.380 It was.

00:37:31.820 You would tell him.

00:37:33.000 Hey, I was kind of just.

00:37:34.440 It was a polite gesture.

00:37:35.600 I wouldn't, like.

00:37:36.520 I don't actually want to pay.

00:37:38.440 I mean, I wouldn't tell them that.

00:37:39.860 But in my head I'll be like.

00:37:40.500 In your head you'd be like, negative.

00:37:42.240 So, negative.

00:37:43.480 Yeah.

00:37:44.540 Point off.

00:37:45.520 Point off.

00:37:47.660 Okay.

00:37:48.740 Alana.

00:37:49.820 I think that if he asks me out, then he should pay.

00:37:53.560 And if I, like, make the plans, then I should pay.

00:37:56.980 Okay.

00:37:58.180 I think it's kind of, like, for the first day, if the guy asks, the guy should pay.

00:38:03.120 But then usually that will, whether, depending on how that goes, if it goes well, and then I'll ask, oh, this actually went really well.

00:38:10.080 I really look forward to seeing you again.

00:38:11.460 And then I'll, like, you know, something else would happen.

00:38:14.240 And then I would pay for that one.

00:38:16.860 So, I think it's kind of a back and forth thing.

00:38:18.600 Because splitting, I don't know, I feel a little bit awkward, like, splitting a check or something the first date.

00:38:22.520 So, I'd much rather if that person, the other person, Carrie, like, covered the first one, I'll just do the second one.

00:38:27.860 What if there isn't going to be a second date?

00:38:29.420 You're just not interested?

00:38:31.300 Hmm.

00:38:31.620 Are you going to split then, or?

00:38:34.100 I kind of use it as, like, a sign.

00:38:36.240 So, if, like, it went, I didn't really like it, I'll say, oh, it's, like, I'm down to just splitting it.

00:38:41.000 And then that's kind of a sign of, oh, there's going to be no second date.

00:38:44.000 Sure.

00:38:44.660 Yeah.

00:38:45.160 For me, it would be, so, if you're going out to, if a guy asks you out to dinner, and he does pay for, like, the dinner, the whole thing, when we go get dessert, I'll be, like, dessert is on me.

00:38:57.840 Or, like, you know.

00:38:58.400 You're so romantic.

00:38:59.120 I am a hopeless romantic, sadly.

00:39:03.400 But I would be, like, dessert is on me.

00:39:05.920 And I personally know, like, some people might be going through some situations.

00:39:10.660 So, like, going back to the movies thing, like, if you are paying for my tickets, I'll be, like, yes, I got the snacks.

00:39:17.000 And then maybe dinner after the movie, I don't know.

00:39:20.820 Like, if he gets to dinner and then we go get dessert.

00:39:23.620 So, everything just, like, that's just how I personally feel.

00:39:27.820 With first dates, I feel like you're not usually going on, like, these really elaborate dates.

00:39:36.280 At least for me, like, most of the ones I've gone to, it's, like, you're getting ice cream or you're going to get, like, froyo or boba or something.

00:39:42.400 So, like, it makes sense if the guy would want to pay because it's not, like, insanely expensive.

00:39:48.140 I think if you're going on, like, an expensive first date, like, you might at least want to be, like, oh, do you want me to, like, pay half or something?

00:39:55.780 Like, obviously, I haven't had to do that.

00:39:58.040 But, yeah, it just kind of depends.

00:40:00.680 Like, it's all, like, situational.

00:40:02.460 Yeah.

00:40:02.940 Don't be, like, a bitch about it.

00:40:05.420 Like, you know, like, oh, yeah.

00:40:07.040 The guy should not be a bitch.

00:40:08.940 No, I mean, like, both.

00:40:10.600 To pay.

00:40:10.920 I mean, like, a lot of the times, like, if someone asks, like, your friends, like, oh, how'd the date go?

00:40:14.740 Like, oh, he didn't fucking pay or something.

00:40:17.200 Have you had that conversation before?

00:40:20.000 No.

00:40:20.580 Okay.

00:40:21.780 No.

00:40:22.860 Okay.

00:40:23.580 Like, I don't know.

00:40:24.340 If, like, you like him enough or something, like, from the first date and, like, you went halfsies or something, like, okay.

00:40:32.280 Like, and if you didn't like him from the first date and he didn't pay, then don't talk to him.

00:40:36.560 Like, I don't really know.

00:40:37.860 Sure.

00:40:38.740 Esther?

00:40:39.920 I would say whoever's asking the other person out has the responsibility of paying.

00:40:44.520 Whether, like, if I'm asking someone out, then I'll obviously pay.

00:40:48.620 And then if they ask me out, then I'll pay.

00:40:50.700 But also the splitting the check is awkward.

00:40:53.260 Like, you know, you have to tell the waiter.

00:40:54.820 Wait, Esther, can you do a posture check?

00:40:56.800 Just your face is getting blocked by the microphone.

00:40:58.980 So we wanted to see your face.

00:41:00.660 But go ahead.

00:41:01.000 Yeah, and I won't do the splitting the check just because of the, like, awkward interaction.

00:41:06.740 So I'll try to get something after, like, ice cream or, like, yeah, pay them back in another way.

00:41:12.120 Like, yeah.

00:41:14.100 Me, I want Guy to pay, honestly.

00:41:18.640 But, like, I want to respect him, too.

00:41:23.640 So sometimes I ask him, like, should I pay, like, you know, like, should we, like, split the bill?

00:41:30.580 But to be honest, after, like, after finish the dating, I feel better when guys pay for me.

00:41:38.460 Because, yeah, I don't know, because, yeah, I don't know, because, I don't know, because, I don't know, he looks, I don't know, just, this is maybe Asian culture.

00:41:46.380 The guy's more have a power.

00:41:49.380 And then I feel like, I don't know, when guys pay, it looks more cool.

00:41:55.980 I don't know, it's a really bad way to say, but, yeah, I personally want, yeah, a guy to pay.

00:42:03.460 You want the guy to pay.

00:42:04.280 Okay.

00:42:05.100 So, really quick, would it be, if the guy said, he asked you out on the date, the end of the date comes, you were otherwise having a good time.

00:42:15.600 But the guy at the end says, hey, let's split the check.

00:42:19.560 Is it a wrap?

00:42:21.500 Really quick, just yes or no?

00:42:22.880 Yes.

00:42:23.640 No.

00:42:24.420 Yes.

00:42:25.980 Yes.

00:42:26.840 No.

00:42:27.940 No.

00:42:28.980 Yes.

00:42:30.060 Yes.

00:42:31.720 Okay.

00:42:32.160 So, my next question is, then, have you ever asked a guy out on a date?

00:42:39.180 No.

00:42:40.020 No.

00:42:40.680 No.

00:42:41.340 Yes.

00:42:42.100 You have?

00:42:42.760 Yeah.

00:42:43.520 How many times?

00:42:45.840 Two times.

00:42:47.080 Two times.

00:42:47.600 Two times.

00:42:48.140 Okay.

00:42:48.780 Yeah.

00:42:50.260 Would you say that you've been asked out more than you've asked out?

00:42:54.940 Yeah, I've been asked out more.

00:42:56.320 Sure.

00:42:56.780 Yeah.

00:42:57.380 For me, I prefer for the guy to ask me out.

00:43:00.020 But I, if I do really like somebody and they are afraid to make the first move, but there's

00:43:07.000 like a whole vibe, I will, I'll make the move to ask them out.

00:43:10.520 So you've asked out the guy before?

00:43:11.860 Yes.

00:43:12.800 Yeah.

00:43:13.960 Okay.

00:43:14.480 Esther?

00:43:14.860 I feel like only in a relationship.

00:43:17.300 Like, you know, like you're with a woman.

00:43:18.220 Oh, I'm talking about like first date?

00:43:20.540 No.

00:43:21.700 It depends on his personality, honestly.

00:43:24.300 If he's really shy, I'm just going to ask him.

00:43:27.500 So you've done it before?

00:43:29.100 Yeah.

00:43:29.640 Okay.

00:43:30.140 But more often than not, would you say that the men are, they're asking you out on the

00:43:34.200 first date?

00:43:34.820 It's better to like the guy ask me first.

00:43:37.780 Okay.

00:43:38.100 But of all the times that you've been asked out or you've gone on a first date or you've

00:43:44.220 met up with someone, would you say more often than not, it was the guy initiating that?

00:43:49.920 The guy first.

00:43:51.660 The guy first.

00:43:52.340 Okay.

00:43:52.520 Got it.

00:43:53.440 Got it.

00:43:54.400 So I have an interesting take on this.

00:43:59.800 A take that probably, you guys are free to disagree with me on this, but here it goes.

00:44:03.700 So I think you should split.

00:44:08.740 I think you should split the check.

00:44:10.160 Obviously that tanks my chances.

00:44:12.680 No, I'm kidding.

00:44:13.140 But I think you should split and here's why.

00:44:16.300 Because when you're going on a first date with someone, the likelihood that that's going

00:44:22.380 to go anywhere is so greatly diminished in 2022 because people have so many more options.

00:44:30.360 Because back in the day before, I mean, before social media, before dating apps, and even

00:44:37.860 you can go even further back in history, say in the 1950s when sort of these traditional

00:44:42.080 gender roles played out a bit more.

00:44:44.720 If you went on a date with someone in the 1950s, your first ever date with a woman, that

00:44:49.400 might be the woman you spend the rest of your life with.

00:44:52.080 Um, I mean, I've been on probably over a hundred dates in my life.

00:44:58.400 I'm sure you guys have been on a fair amount of dates.

00:45:01.780 I know you guys are in the college zone.

00:45:03.900 So it sounded like some of you haven't gone on like super proper dates, but, um, so there's

00:45:11.900 that thing.

00:45:12.580 Um, and also as far as like who should pay.

00:45:14.600 So, I mean, if your answer is whoever asks, men de facto are the askers.

00:45:20.360 So you're, if your answer is whoever asks should pay, your answer might as well be men

00:45:25.740 should pay.

00:45:26.860 Uh, so I guess also the other thing is, is that the other issue I have with it is because

00:45:36.320 people are dating so many people, um, the guy paying for the date is him adhering to his

00:45:42.820 traditional gender role, but don't hate me guys.

00:45:49.460 I would say over 90%, probably 90, 95% of women are not traditional women.

00:45:55.520 So if I'm going on a date with a girl, the likelihood that she's fucking another guy,

00:46:01.260 she's probably talking, she's at least talking to some other guy.

00:46:04.960 She's at least fucking one other guy, maybe two, maybe three, maybe four.

00:46:08.260 So my take is, is I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles if she's fucking

00:46:14.400 another dude.

00:46:15.500 Cause it's pretty, as far as I'm concerned, it's a pretty big L.

00:46:17.840 If I take a girl out on a date, let's say dinner, I don't do dinner dates anymore, but

00:46:21.440 if I took a girl out for a dinner date, right, she gets some food, she gets a doggy bag.

00:46:26.120 She takes that shit to go.

00:46:27.360 So it gives me a, gives me an ass out hug, you know, oh, it was nice, nice date.

00:46:32.860 You know, see, uh, takes that doggy bag to the guy she's fucking, gives the guy she's

00:46:37.200 fucking the doggy bag.

00:46:39.420 He eats the food, then fucks her.

00:46:42.020 I, I would have an issue with that.

00:46:45.080 So it's just like all the traditional gender roles have kind of been thrown out.

00:46:51.360 Uh, so yeah, I'm not going to adhere to my, and I advise men to do this too.

00:46:57.900 I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles with women who are not traditional.

00:47:03.940 Newsflash, 90% of women are not traditional women.

00:47:07.600 That's a, that's a large number.

00:47:09.680 That's a very large number, I think you just said.

00:47:11.860 You think it's, it's more women are traditional?

00:47:14.380 I think men don't realize how much women are still traditional.

00:47:18.080 Obviously, both genders have strayed from the typical, oopsies, completely typical gender

00:47:24.300 norms from like the fifties or whatever.

00:47:26.420 But most men don't even allow women to not be traditional.

00:47:29.960 Like if I have a boyfriend or something, nine times out of 10, I'm doing majority of the

00:47:35.400 cleaning or the cooking or of some sorts like that.

00:47:38.260 So I am still living up to my gender roles.

00:47:40.840 So if you, if on a first date you ask me out somewhere and you can't afford the full bill,

00:47:45.840 you're obviously either living out of your means or something's going on.

00:47:50.040 You shouldn't be asking me out on a date.

00:47:51.320 So it's like an off first impression to me.

00:47:53.840 Okay.

00:47:54.160 So you consider yourself traditional?

00:47:56.360 In some senses, some senses, no.

00:47:58.540 Like I wouldn't mind if I did have kids.

00:47:59.980 I wouldn't mind staying home and being with my kids and never going to work.

00:48:03.560 He pays for, I'm not going to complain with that.

00:48:05.840 If you had a, if you had a partner who could support that, sure.

00:48:08.800 But if I have to go to work, that's no problem with me.

00:48:10.780 I wouldn't mind working either.

00:48:12.100 Fair enough.

00:48:12.620 Fair enough.

00:48:13.360 Whatever works for our household.

00:48:14.500 I know they're probably chewing me up.

00:48:15.440 It's fine.

00:48:16.820 Okay, cool, cool.

00:48:18.040 So do any of, I saw a couple of grimaces when I was giving my take.

00:48:22.380 Do any of you want to come in and respond?

00:48:25.060 Yeah.

00:48:25.480 I wanted to say, to say what you were saying.

00:48:27.980 I think you're inconsistent in your answer or like your comment because you said that the

00:48:32.820 men are traditionally the ones who are going to ask the woman out.

00:48:35.120 So that's the tradition you're willing to keep, but then the pain you're not willing to keep

00:48:39.040 because you said that men adhere to that.

00:48:41.760 So like, what's the inconsistency?

00:48:43.600 And also I wanted to add that your point is correct about people meeting more, like people

00:48:48.720 now.

00:48:48.980 Our circles are bigger because of social media, of dating apps.

00:48:51.820 This has been proven by like so many like research articles, everything.

00:48:56.060 There's a whole book about it.

00:48:57.560 But that means like we're not willing to settle.

00:49:00.600 So I guess it's like, are you willing to go past the first date to see, oh, is this my

00:49:06.400 type of person or do we move on immediately because the circle is so big?

00:49:10.380 So that's just my take on it.

00:49:12.760 So to answer your first thing, you're, you're saying that something about how men have to

00:49:20.520 initiate?

00:49:21.220 That's what you said.

00:49:22.020 You're like men traditionally initiate.

00:49:23.780 Yes.

00:49:23.980 So when you're, so when you girls are assuming that who invites you, men are traditionally

00:49:28.540 going to initiate.

00:49:29.520 Yes.

00:49:29.900 But then the men aren't traditionally going to pay.

00:49:31.760 So I'm just really confused, like the notion of traditional roles here.

00:49:35.300 Like you're unwilling to follow one, but willing to follow the other, which is totally fine.

00:49:39.240 I just, I don't really get it.

00:49:40.520 Just, just so I understand.

00:49:41.700 So you're saying that I'm acknowledging that men initiate, but how can I simultaneously,

00:49:49.500 how do I reconcile that men, the bill should be split on the first date?

00:49:55.280 I feel like.

00:49:56.040 Is that, am I understanding you properly?

00:49:57.920 Kind of.

00:49:58.820 Well, I guess my question is like, you're willing to follow one rule.

00:50:02.800 It seems like, which is okay.

00:50:04.340 And not the other, which is totally cool as well.

00:50:06.860 Well, so I would say this.

00:50:08.200 So, and I didn't really get my take on this, but I would be 100% in favor of women initiating.

00:50:14.380 But the fact of the matter is, is that women don't have to, and women, quite frankly, don't.

00:50:21.720 It's broadly speaking, most men's experience, I would say almost all men's experience, even

00:50:27.380 really top tier men, that they're going to have to initiate.

00:50:32.380 If, if men don't initiate, like, we don't really get hit on in the same frequency that

00:50:40.840 women get hit on.

00:50:41.740 Like, most of you have probably been approached at a party, a bar or a club, maybe a couple

00:50:47.080 times in the night.

00:50:47.920 I mean, you're a bartender.

00:50:49.000 You probably got 10 guys in the night trying to talk to you, whatever it may be.

00:50:53.100 Um, but a guy, for example, like at a bar or club, if a woman goes to a bar or club, there's

00:51:00.860 a decent chance, like maybe one guy, at least one guy, a couple guys are going to hit, hit

00:51:06.440 on her.

00:51:07.920 If a guy goes to a bar or club, just goes in the corner, right?

00:51:12.820 Nobody's going to talk to him the entire fucking night.

00:51:15.060 He's going to sit there, stand there all alone.

00:51:17.620 Same thing at a party.

00:51:18.660 As, as a guy, you go to a party, nobody's coming to talk to you.

00:51:22.760 So, and same thing with on, on dating apps.

00:51:26.480 Uh, most women will not initiate on dating apps.

00:51:30.060 I'm fully in favor of women initiating.

00:51:32.480 I think, I mean, I can, I think I've been initiate like three times, three or four times

00:51:40.260 women have initiated, uh, through my DMS.

00:51:45.680 That's probably how much some of y'all get in a weekend.

00:51:50.920 So go ahead.

00:51:52.500 Okay.

00:51:52.940 But I feel like it has to do with us getting let down so many times that we're scared to

00:51:58.260 initiate it.

00:51:59.240 We have to know that they like us a little bit, at least before we do anything.

00:52:04.780 What do you mean by getting let down so many times?

00:52:06.840 Cause most women don't like hit on guys.

00:52:08.820 So like it's mostly dudes getting fucking rejected like dozens or hundreds of times.

00:52:15.140 Guys are usually assholes and we know that.

00:52:17.880 So we don't want to be the ones that hurt ourselves.

00:52:22.920 What do you mean by guys are the assholes?

00:52:24.760 I think it's that guys shoot their shot more often than girls do.

00:52:28.000 So then when girls do, we want to make sure that it's actually going to like, it's actually

00:52:31.940 going to work.

00:52:32.500 Like, yeah, well, and I would also say that when women do initiate compared to men, your

00:52:39.080 women's success rate is going to be far higher.

00:52:42.700 Like you're much more likely if you initiate for it to, to work versus guys, we got, we

00:52:48.460 got to, we got to, uh, play the numbers, numbers game a little bit.

00:52:53.600 I would think that it's, it's when the girls do initiate, we would think that, oh, if we're

00:52:57.860 willing to do that, other girls are willing to do it too.

00:52:59.980 So because say like this guy must be that worthy that we're willing to go out of our

00:53:05.020 way and like get the courage to actually, you know, hit on them.

00:53:08.400 But then if this guy's worthy enough, I'm sure other girls will do that too.

00:53:12.260 And then that feels a little bit scary.

00:53:14.800 Oh, so you're saying that of the guys that you would initiate with, they're so high tier

00:53:19.720 or they're really attractive.

00:53:21.720 Then you're thinking, okay, he's probably getting this from other girls too.

00:53:27.460 Yeah.

00:53:27.640 Or, I mean, even if he's not, like he still has a lot of options when he's initiating.

00:53:32.300 That's how I feel.

00:53:33.020 Yeah.

00:53:33.300 Okay.

00:53:34.800 Interesting.

00:53:35.520 So did I, did I adequately address your, uh, question there?

00:53:40.480 Esther?

00:53:40.760 Yeah, I see what you're saying.

00:53:41.700 I'm just curious.

00:53:42.480 Like how can we change the traditional dynamic then in all areas, right?

00:53:45.640 Like if you want to change it in splitting the check, that's cool.

00:53:49.020 And how do we change it to girls asking guys out too, right?

00:53:52.000 Like if we want to challenge the dynamic, how should we go about that?

00:53:55.620 And I want to add on to what Ilana was saying.

00:53:57.320 I think it's really true, um, that I think women have been really, or like take the pain

00:54:02.880 that men have caused them really deeply.

00:54:04.760 A lot of them, I'm not saying everyone, and men can, that can be in reverse as well.

00:54:09.020 And so if the girl comes up to a guy, they just are terrified.

00:54:12.160 They're like, fuck, like, am I going to get like hurt like this again?

00:54:15.220 Because it's just like, that's what we think those relationships or interactions are going

00:54:19.680 to end up in.

00:54:20.520 And you might say, the guys say the, experience the same thing.

00:54:22.800 And I won't disagree.

00:54:24.400 Like I think we, it's all very human and it's very sad.

00:54:28.060 So.

00:54:28.700 Oh, wow.

00:54:30.120 Tell us more.

00:54:31.820 I mean.

00:54:33.540 What do you want to tell us?

00:54:35.200 I think we all just, there was a, recently an article I read, it was very interesting saying

00:54:40.280 that a woman.

00:54:41.180 Can you scoot the microphone to your left just a tad?

00:54:44.140 This?

00:54:44.520 Yes.

00:54:45.000 Yes, perfect.

00:54:45.680 Saying that women now crave men who are way more emotionally available.

00:54:50.160 So the, the number of single men has increased drastically because women often have the

00:54:56.140 community of other women to support and talk to them.

00:54:58.640 And men often don't have those conversations with their friends, which is just the cultural

00:55:03.440 norm.

00:55:03.800 Like, you know, it is what it is, unfortunately.

00:55:06.960 Sure.

00:55:07.180 And so men, women are not settling for these emotionally unavailable men.

00:55:13.520 But then I don't want to say anything bad about those men because it's really not their fault.

00:55:18.180 Like, it's a lot of the time it's the society and their parents.

00:55:21.480 A lot of, like, parents are from the older generation.

00:55:23.680 So they have these cultural norms that don't allow men to express their emotions.

00:55:27.360 All I'm trying to say is society is widely flawed, and it's not a fault of one gender or the

00:55:32.180 other.

00:55:32.680 It's just whatever is happening right now is just awful.

00:55:36.060 Have you ever taken an IQ test?

00:55:38.960 Yes.

00:55:39.760 What's your IQ?

00:55:40.940 147.

00:55:41.480 Okay.

00:55:42.560 I detect that you're a highly intelligent individual.

00:55:45.180 But okay, so that was very, and the chat seems to be liking your answer.

00:55:49.840 So that was a very insightful, very, very good answer.

00:55:53.260 So we haven't quite finished getting around the table.

00:55:56.880 I need to do a couple super chats here, and then we'll get back to some of the questions.

00:56:00.720 We got GlebisLA with the $10 soup chat.

00:56:03.300 All labia matters.

00:56:05.280 Go anal.

00:56:06.000 Okay.

00:56:06.780 Thank you for that $10 soup chat.

00:56:08.700 Good to see you back, man.

00:56:10.240 And then, Brian, why are you bringing such young guests?

00:56:13.120 What can they know about dating and relationships?

00:56:15.440 Also, I don't think you will find large labia among them.

00:56:18.180 What?

00:56:18.620 Wait, you need 23 to 28-year-old guests, in my honest opinion?

00:56:22.760 Okay.

00:56:23.260 Well, there's a lot there, Glebis.

00:56:25.500 I mean, I think so far the answers have been pretty good.

00:56:30.060 Pretty good.

00:56:31.080 And so, girls, do you want to fire back at Glebis here?

00:56:36.040 He's kind of shooting shots.

00:56:45.360 No?

00:56:45.960 Okay.

00:56:46.580 Well, then, if he wants to know about that, he should probably tune into, like, another channel with older guests, I think.

00:56:52.260 Yeah, I mean, you're 22?

00:56:54.220 Yeah.

00:56:54.620 22?

00:56:55.160 I mean.

00:56:55.400 I almost hit his age range.

00:56:56.680 I was, like, right there.

00:56:58.260 Yeah.

00:56:58.720 You know.

00:56:59.040 Sorry.

00:56:59.580 It's just, you know, the thing is, Glebis is Santa Barbara is a very young town.

00:57:03.500 Like, a lot of, it's a big college town.

00:57:06.600 You have Santa Barbara City College.

00:57:07.640 You have UCSB.

00:57:09.000 Collectively, I think it's 30,000, 40,000 students between the two of them.

00:57:13.120 Right?

00:57:13.340 I think UCSB is 20,000.

00:57:15.360 Does anybody?

00:57:16.400 UCSB students?

00:57:17.400 20,000 undergrad, I think.

00:57:19.460 I thought it was 34.

00:57:21.400 Oh, really?

00:57:22.100 Is it 30?

00:57:22.680 It might.

00:57:23.100 It might.

00:57:23.320 We, over the last five years, it's been, like, the biggest enrollment.

00:57:26.900 Sure.

00:57:27.220 So, let's say that there's, like, 40,000 or 50,000 undergrad students between UCSB and SBCC.

00:57:32.940 So, yeah.

00:57:34.160 And then the thing is, is Santa Barbara is such an expensive city to live.

00:57:37.200 As soon as people graduate, a lot of people leave because it's very expensive here.

00:57:41.780 I think it's one of the highest cost of living areas in the United States.

00:57:46.340 So, yeah.

00:57:48.220 I mean, I reach out to a lot of 23 to 20, like, older women, so to speak.

00:57:53.020 But it is what it is.

00:57:56.300 And then we lastly have Brandon.

00:57:58.900 What's up, man?

00:57:59.360 Good to see you back.

00:58:00.080 Salad City Rebel with the $10 Soup Chat.

00:58:02.140 Greetings, panel.

00:58:02.940 Brian, good show so far.

00:58:04.520 Shake it up a bit.

00:58:05.220 Girls are surprisingly insightful when asked raw or raunchy questions.

00:58:09.160 Who should get the check is, like, asking who's going to buy the condoms.

00:58:12.480 All right.

00:58:12.920 Brandon, thank you for that.

00:58:14.160 By the way, we are going to get you on that all stripper show coming up soon with Hensley

00:58:19.960 and the rest of the girls.

00:58:20.940 So, yeah.

00:58:22.260 So, thank you, Brandon, for the $10 Soup Chat, man.

00:58:24.800 Much appreciated.

00:58:26.160 So, I want to bring it back.

00:58:27.440 You said something about V-Bucks.

00:58:28.940 So, I want to touch on that super quick.

00:58:31.540 V-Bucks, I guess if anyone doesn't know, that's, like, the digital currency for Fortnite.

00:58:35.840 So, you were dating a guy who played Fortnite.

00:58:40.860 Do you guys have an issue?

00:58:43.100 Like, would you date a guy who plays video games?

00:58:46.900 No.

00:58:48.640 I love when somebody has their own hobby.

00:58:51.540 Leave me alone.

00:58:52.300 I can do what I want.

00:58:52.980 I can do what you want.

00:58:53.980 That's fine.

00:58:55.660 It was a bit much, though.

00:58:57.480 A bit much.

00:58:57.720 Sure.

00:58:58.580 I don't mind.

00:58:59.400 I like video games.

00:59:00.220 Yeah.

00:59:00.680 I suppose it depends, because a guy could just, maybe he plays an hour a day.

00:59:04.860 That's not so bad.

00:59:05.780 But there are some guys that are heavily into video games.

00:59:08.940 Some are even addicted, you know, six, eight, ten hours a day, all day.

00:59:14.360 So, maybe I should be a bit more precise in the question.

00:59:18.940 Let's say a guy who, I mean, some girls might say, even if he plays an hour a day, I'd have

00:59:24.460 an issue with that.

00:59:25.280 So, maybe you can give your nuanced take to the question.

00:59:28.620 I feel like it's fine, as long as it doesn't take away from our time together.

00:59:33.380 Like, while you're playing video games, I can do my thing, and then we can be together.

00:59:38.100 Have any of you, and I'll add this on to the question, have any of you had a situation where

00:59:42.460 you're kind of seeing a guy, and you're coming over, and he's kind of almost ignoring you

00:59:47.060 playing video games?

00:59:48.200 Have you ever had that?

00:59:49.560 I haven't.

00:59:50.360 Yeah.

00:59:50.600 So, like a boyfriend, but he's like, he just wants to play games, and you're kind of just

00:59:54.600 there.

00:59:56.220 I think everyone has kind of had.

00:59:58.000 Okay.

00:59:58.620 So, just bring it back to the original question.

01:00:01.580 Go ahead.

01:00:02.000 No, I don't think so.

01:00:02.740 If that was the case, I don't think I'd ever pursue that.

01:00:04.660 Like, that would ever be it.

01:00:06.120 If they were playing video games at all, or just?

01:00:08.060 I mean, like, excessively, like, 68 hours a day, and then I'd go over, and then there's

01:00:11.940 not, like, he's just, I don't think that I'd ever be a case of, I'd even want to be with

01:00:17.120 them at all.

01:00:17.820 Sure.

01:00:18.240 I guess, let me phrase it like this.

01:00:19.520 Would it be your preference to date a guy that just doesn't play video games at all?

01:00:24.860 Would that be your overall preference?

01:00:27.560 I don't care enough.

01:00:28.600 Okay.

01:00:29.060 Yeah, it doesn't matter.

01:00:30.500 Okay.

01:00:31.280 I don't care.

01:00:32.940 Yeah, I don't care.

01:00:34.400 Just don't play, like, eight hours a day.

01:00:36.760 Okay.

01:00:37.660 I don't really mind.

01:00:39.780 You don't care?

01:00:40.360 As long as, like, he share our time.

01:00:43.860 Sure.

01:00:44.300 Or we can play together sometimes, maybe.

01:00:46.540 There you go.

01:00:47.320 I guess one thing I've heard girls say that do have partners that play video games, if

01:00:52.900 he's playing video games, you know he's not cheating on you.

01:00:55.140 So there is that, right?

01:00:57.100 No.

01:00:57.420 No?

01:00:59.380 Still cheats.

01:01:00.440 Still cheating.

01:01:01.000 Still cheats, definitely.

01:01:02.360 Okay.

01:01:03.520 But if he's at home playing games, you know.

01:01:06.600 Still cheating?

01:01:07.460 A girl could be there while they're playing video games.

01:01:10.660 I guess that's true.

01:01:11.680 I guess that's true.

01:01:13.020 Okay.

01:01:13.520 I mean, as long as they have, like, ambitions in life, it's fine if it's, like, but if it's,

01:01:19.460 like, to an extent where they're just, like, that's all they're doing, then it's, like,

01:01:23.840 a problem.

01:01:24.540 But as long as they're ambitious and, like, have goals in life, I think it's fine, yeah.

01:01:31.060 Okay.

01:01:31.980 So, like, let me ask you guys a question.

01:01:34.900 Let's say he's a Chad gamer, like, top-tier gamer.

01:01:40.860 He's a gamer, okay?

01:01:42.820 World of Warcraft classic.

01:01:45.320 He's got, like, three level 60s.

01:01:47.780 He's got a mage, a rogue, a warrior.

01:01:50.960 He's the main tank for his guild, too.

01:01:53.640 And it's a hardcore raiding guild.

01:01:55.800 So he's, like, and he's raiding on each of the characters.

01:01:57.840 So that's, like, three, four.

01:02:00.120 That's a three, four-day hardcore commitment.

01:02:02.120 Are you talking about yourself?

01:02:03.760 I don't know.

01:02:04.700 I don't know.

01:02:05.600 But, like, three, four night commitment, he's playing at least 20, 30 hours a week.

01:02:12.640 But he's, like, he's parsing in the top 99th percentile on Warcraft logs.

01:02:17.620 So, and he's, like, he's got BIS, best in slot.

01:02:24.040 So, like, fully geared Naxx BIS.

01:02:27.780 Like, is that, are you guys going to go for him or what?

01:02:30.900 He's a top parser.

01:02:32.120 If he's a good person, then sure.

01:02:35.360 And if he has, like, other than, like, all those great attributes, if he's, like, also in school or working, that's fine with me.

01:02:45.460 Like, you can't do all that at one time.

01:02:47.620 Exactly.

01:02:48.240 Like, it's rare to probably have that, I think.

01:02:52.260 Like, he just explained that to us for one minute, and we all lost interest.

01:02:55.640 Yeah.

01:02:56.200 Like, he had no idea he was talking about.

01:02:57.820 Somebody who's like that, how do you have a serious comfort?

01:03:01.180 Like, I have to be, you have to be semi into games as well to date somebody like that, or else I'm just going to be sitting there, like, waiting for you to shut up all day.

01:03:08.260 Okay.

01:03:08.840 Also, like, on his mage, he's first in line for Atiesh.

01:03:12.180 Oh, wow.

01:03:13.100 It means nothing.

01:03:14.120 Like, I'd just pretend to be impressed and be like, wow, that.

01:03:18.240 He is first in line for Atiesh.

01:03:21.080 That's crazy.

01:03:22.680 Yeah.

01:03:23.760 I don't even know what game we're talking about.

01:03:24.820 And on his warrior, he's first in line for Gressel.

01:03:30.720 Wow.

01:03:31.480 First in line, Adam and I.

01:03:32.600 Right?

01:03:33.180 You guys, so maybe, okay.

01:03:35.100 Anyways, moving on, moving on.

01:03:35.940 So he's getting late tonight, yeah.

01:03:37.720 For sure.

01:03:38.920 For sure.

01:03:39.620 Okay, moving on.

01:03:40.620 Did we just score chance?

01:03:41.660 So, we never really got to finish the anything dating related, you want to get off your chest.

01:03:47.100 I think we left, you answered that one, I think, right?

01:03:52.180 Yeah.

01:03:52.540 Yeah, so we'll open it up to you.

01:03:54.340 I just think don't take dating so seriously, especially your first year of college.

01:03:59.560 I think, like, that's, like, when you're, like, growing the most.

01:04:03.080 And, like, you, like, really need to let that happen because, like, you might just get stuck

01:04:06.480 and, like, lose yourself.

01:04:07.700 And, like, in relationships, like, especially long-term, people change a lot.

01:04:11.300 And it's, like, pretty natural for people to break up.

01:04:13.400 Like, it's just, like, something you have to do for yourself.

01:04:15.780 So, yeah, just, like, I don't know.

01:04:17.960 Don't, like, be so intense about a relationship so early.

01:04:23.000 I think I said everything that I had to say earlier.

01:04:26.680 You didn't have, like, a gripe or anything when it comes to dating?

01:04:32.480 I mean, I think that's the main issue.

01:04:34.540 Both genders are incompatible in the sense of, like, the way that society almost forms us.

01:04:41.320 Are you a nihilist?

01:04:42.700 No.

01:04:43.280 Oh, okay.

01:04:44.420 No, I'm just saying, like, to really make things work, you have to communicate really well

01:04:48.560 because the other person's intentions will always be misunderstood.

01:04:52.660 And it's fine.

01:04:53.320 Like, we're all different, including the gender, including the different types of people.

01:04:58.160 But being extremely honest, not only with the other person but with yourself, I think,

01:05:02.560 is a lot of people start lying to themselves a little bit.

01:05:04.900 Oh, maybe I want a serious relationship.

01:05:07.220 And you don't?

01:05:08.000 Then don't do it.

01:05:08.980 Like, it's fine.

01:05:09.760 No one's forcing you here.

01:05:12.120 Okay.

01:05:12.840 You can go?

01:05:13.180 What's the question?

01:05:14.220 Oh, so anything dating-related you want to get off your chest?

01:05:17.860 So if you recently had, you can kind of take this however you want.

01:05:21.760 If you maybe had a bad date experience recently or just generally something about dating pisses

01:05:27.580 you off, men are pissing you off in some way, there's a trend in dating that annoys you,

01:05:31.600 a frustration when it comes to dealing with men, anything?

01:05:34.740 I just go with flow, to be honest.

01:05:40.360 Like, I'm not, like, trying to, I want a relationship or something.

01:05:44.500 Just, like, if I met him, like, I've met the guy who is, who I like, I just go with flow.

01:05:51.840 If I met the guy who is, like, he just want to fuck me, I'm just going to go away from him.

01:05:57.080 Like that, you know?

01:05:58.140 You know, I can't take seriously, I cannot take, like, I can't play with guys, I cannot

01:06:04.400 take seriously, so it is what it is, kind of, you know?

01:06:08.960 Wait, so your issue is that if guys are just, all they want is sex, basically?

01:06:13.140 Is that, if I'm understanding you correctly?

01:06:15.100 Like, maybe I look like, some people say I'm kind of pretty girl, I look like pretty girl,

01:06:21.560 so that's why the guys can't come to me to fuck me?

01:06:26.880 Maybe, I don't know what, what's going on with me, but, um, I don't know, I, this is

01:06:35.460 my program, too, maybe.

01:06:37.500 I don't want to fuck any guys, like, for fun, I just...

01:06:41.440 You want to fuck them for disappointment?

01:06:45.400 I need to, I need, I, if I want to fuck him, I, because I love...

01:06:50.280 You want a relationship?

01:06:51.780 Yeah, if I, I, I find the guy, but I want to have sex with love, so I don't want to fuck

01:07:00.180 anyone with, without love, you know what I'm saying?

01:07:03.220 Oh, wait, without love?

01:07:05.360 I don't want to...

01:07:06.580 No sex.

01:07:07.500 You have to be in love with them.

01:07:08.700 Yes, because I don't feel good.

01:07:11.440 I don't need a sex.

01:07:12.380 In love?

01:07:13.060 Because that shit takes a while.

01:07:14.740 I know, but that's why...

01:07:16.120 You're going to be away then.

01:07:18.940 That's life.

01:07:19.860 I think because, like, my relationship last, last, like, the last one was two years, and

01:07:25.400 I was really falling in love with him, and then I know how I love people, maybe.

01:07:32.240 That's why, if I have sex with a random guy, I don't feel good.

01:07:38.960 That's my, I don't know, the way I live.

01:07:41.300 Like, do you feel empty?

01:07:42.560 Like, there's no connection, so, like, you know...

01:07:44.740 I don't have any connection.

01:07:45.820 You don't enjoy it.

01:07:47.040 Yeah, I can't enjoy it, to be honest.

01:07:49.400 It's like, after you just feel empty and lonely.

01:07:52.120 Like, even if I'm horny, I don't want to do anything.

01:07:57.120 Like, I just stay.

01:07:59.860 Like, I just gonna maybe do some cooking or...

01:08:03.760 My hobbies, like, yeah.

01:08:05.280 And then, yeah, and then, like...

01:08:08.280 I just don't need a, like, hookup culture for now.

01:08:12.500 Like, I'm over it.

01:08:13.740 Like, I'm...

01:08:14.120 Um, yeah.

01:08:16.980 Okay.

01:08:17.940 Wait, so, you said you want to wait until love.

01:08:21.400 Yeah.

01:08:22.100 Okay.

01:08:22.980 So, I want to go around the table on this really quick.

01:08:26.040 So, how long do you think you should wait?

01:08:29.580 Let's say, how many dates?

01:08:31.240 I mean, you kind of already answered it, but we'll go around the table.

01:08:34.280 How long do you think you should wait before sleeping with someone?

01:08:37.920 I have a three-date rule.

01:08:39.760 Three-date rule.

01:08:40.820 Yep.

01:08:41.040 So, is that a minimum or a maximum?

01:08:45.360 Um, minimum?

01:08:47.960 Minimum?

01:08:49.060 Okay, so you won't sleep with someone before the third date?

01:08:51.560 Three-date, yes.

01:08:52.020 Okay, but you would, like, fourth or fifth date would be okay, too?

01:08:54.860 Yeah.

01:08:55.160 Sure, okay.

01:08:56.200 After the third, fine.

01:08:57.240 But, so, second date, not happening?

01:08:59.900 No.

01:09:00.980 Okay.

01:09:01.960 Mm-mm.

01:09:02.660 What if you know, though?

01:09:03.980 Second date, you're like, I like this guy.

01:09:07.700 Is it gonna happen?

01:09:09.780 Yeah.

01:09:11.040 Maybe if I have about eight J-Mo shots.

01:09:15.880 Okay.

01:09:16.800 But probably not before that.

01:09:18.780 Third, so three-date rule.

01:09:20.200 Mm-mm.

01:09:20.380 How long have you had that rule?

01:09:22.160 Since I started.

01:09:23.760 Having sex?

01:09:24.720 Yeah.

01:09:25.240 So you've never had a one-night stand?

01:09:26.820 I have not yet.

01:09:27.840 You've never...

01:09:28.660 I, technically, one of them technically wasn't a one-night stand, but we were communicating

01:09:32.480 for a year prior.

01:09:34.400 Okay.

01:09:35.200 A year prior?

01:09:36.380 Like, for a year beforehand, but the way our schedules work out, it's hard to meet.

01:09:41.580 Is this the farmer's only guy?

01:09:43.880 What?

01:09:44.340 What?

01:09:44.940 What?

01:09:46.080 Wait, so how...

01:09:47.280 You were, like, just texting?

01:09:50.060 We met once.

01:09:50.860 Long distance?

01:09:51.360 And then, yeah, because, like, he was traveling, and I'm here.

01:09:54.840 Okay.

01:09:55.200 So by the second time I met him again...

01:10:00.100 Sure.

01:10:00.520 Yes, but I had already been talking to him for a long time.

01:10:03.140 Got it.

01:10:03.680 If that makes sense.

01:10:04.280 Sure.

01:10:05.140 I think it depends, but the three-date rule, I think, is also really smart.

01:10:09.340 Three-date rule is...

01:10:09.940 Yeah.

01:10:10.540 And that's minimum?

01:10:11.600 Yeah.

01:10:11.980 Okay.

01:10:12.980 Three-date rule.

01:10:14.560 But, like, it depends on the person.

01:10:16.160 If you, like...

01:10:17.200 You can honestly connect in one night, but, like, personally, like, just depends.

01:10:23.300 And, like, three dates is, like, a good minimum to have.

01:10:25.980 Have you ever hooked up with a guy the same day that you met him, or on the first night

01:10:30.420 you met him?

01:10:31.420 No.

01:10:33.920 Tell him the truth?

01:10:35.040 That's the full truth.

01:10:36.560 Go ahead.

01:10:37.100 I'm with...

01:10:37.820 I'm fine with the first night with, like, my age.

01:10:41.200 Like, I'm 18.

01:10:42.000 Like, it's whatever.

01:10:43.200 I'm not, like...

01:10:44.040 I don't need to wait.

01:10:45.100 And then, also, it's, like, chemistry.

01:10:46.980 Like, I want to know that there's chemistry, so I much rather know the first night than three

01:10:52.440 days down the road.

01:10:53.760 Like, you're talking, like, if the sex is trash?

01:10:57.440 Yeah.

01:10:57.980 You'd rather get that out of the way sooner?

01:11:00.940 Yeah.

01:11:01.620 Okay.

01:11:02.400 I want to touch on that, but we'll continue going on.

01:11:05.600 I would say a month.

01:11:07.320 Like, after a month of getting to know them.

01:11:09.580 I wouldn't...

01:11:10.060 Like, to me, like, dates don't really matter unless I...

01:11:12.980 Like, dates is just a number, but then I feel like a month is...

01:11:15.620 Isn't that also kind of a number?

01:11:18.120 I mean, it's a duration of time, which I think is a good measure of how long...

01:11:22.120 Like, how long you've, like, gone to know this person and to what degree.

01:11:25.700 Sure.

01:11:26.120 But, I mean, couldn't you also say that you could go on two dates in a month or seven

01:11:33.780 dates in a month?

01:11:35.020 Like, if you're using dates to count, then it would be...

01:11:40.020 I would just say consecutively seeing someone for a month and then on, like, a higher frequency.

01:11:45.320 Sure.

01:11:45.840 Yeah.

01:11:46.120 Okay.

01:11:46.300 So, I'm with her on that, like, waiting at least, maybe not a month for me, a couple

01:11:53.180 of months, because for me, like, if I were to have sex and there's no chemistry, like what

01:11:58.560 Alana says, like, you want to see if there's, like, chemistry, then I'm not going to enjoy

01:12:03.100 it, so I'd rather just wait and connect with that person, and then we'll see when the time

01:12:09.340 is right.

01:12:09.920 Like...

01:12:10.920 So, wait, you want to get the sex out of the way soon?

01:12:15.240 No, no, no.

01:12:16.140 I'm saying, like, I'll wait, like, a couple of months, like, because if...

01:12:19.640 Wait, I thought you said you agreed with Alana.

01:12:21.160 I agree with the chemistry thing.

01:12:23.200 Okay.

01:12:23.960 Sure.

01:12:24.360 But, so, when you're talking to somebody, I'd rather talk to them and go and hang out

01:12:29.360 with them and go on dates and see how it is, and if I'm feeling it, because then if I'm

01:12:36.040 not feeling it and I just get the sex out of the way, then I just feel empty.

01:12:42.020 Wait, so you sleep with men that you're not really feeling?

01:12:45.260 No, I wouldn't sleep with, like, yeah.

01:12:47.500 Oh, okay, sure, sure, sure.

01:12:48.380 I would wait a couple of months.

01:12:50.680 Okay.

01:12:50.940 I think it depends just, like, have you been with sex?

01:12:55.440 Like, if you're just not the type of person that, like, can't just hook up, then, like,

01:13:00.380 it's probably going to take, like, a while, and that's totally fine.

01:13:03.760 I don't think there's a problem with waiting to have sex, but if you just, like, are into

01:13:07.660 it, like, that day, I don't think it's, like, a problem exactly.

01:13:11.360 Like, I don't think you should, like, shame someone for hooking up on, like, the first

01:13:13.980 night.

01:13:14.340 Like, you could totally just, like, be into them and, like, want to have sex.

01:13:18.080 Like, I don't know.

01:13:18.680 That's, like, totally normal, I feel like.

01:13:20.460 Sure.

01:13:20.940 Okay.

01:13:21.580 I agree.

01:13:22.600 I think, for me personally, it would probably take, like, a month at least.

01:13:27.020 But, again, like, if your emotional intuition is telling you, like, oh, I really like this

01:13:30.560 person, I want to, or, like, I'm attracted to them physically, I really don't see why you

01:13:34.740 shouldn't stay safe, obviously.

01:13:36.480 But just trust yourself.

01:13:38.080 Like, no one knows your, like, past history other than you or maybe, like, your best friends.

01:13:44.540 But it's still up to you to make the decisions.

01:13:47.440 So, go for it.

01:13:50.020 For me?

01:13:51.180 Love, right?

01:13:52.340 Yeah.

01:13:52.660 Yeah, but if I like him, I want to also, of course, I want to have sex with him.

01:13:57.080 And then, but why I don't have a, like, I don't have sex with a guy who I'm not dating with,

01:14:04.740 because if I have a sex, like, first day or even if I like him, he's going to think I'm

01:14:10.560 a slut or, like, he's not going to take seriously about me.

01:14:15.140 And that's why I don't want to have sex with him.

01:14:18.340 You know what I'm saying?

01:14:19.180 Like, that's, does it make sense?

01:14:20.780 Right?

01:14:21.380 Because, like, if I really like him, and then he got horny, and he want to fuck me, but I

01:14:28.220 really want to take it seriously, and then I'm just going to wait, maybe, like, I need

01:14:34.520 to more date days.

01:14:37.140 Yeah, because, like, guys just, like, assume, because if you really like them, and they are

01:14:41.600 horny, if you just give it to them, like, there's no wrong, like, if anybody does it,

01:14:47.680 like, no shame, like, you do what you want, your body, your choice.

01:14:50.900 Yeah.

01:14:51.080 But it's just guys, most guys think, oh, she's easy, she's a slut.

01:14:55.200 Yes, yes, yes, that's what I'm saying.

01:14:55.980 Like, so, like, they just, like, don't think of you as anything more than, like, if you're

01:15:00.400 just, like, having sex with them.

01:15:01.780 Yeah.

01:15:02.160 Also, like, I ask the guy, if he asks me to have sex, like, I'm just going to say, I'm not,

01:15:09.620 like, ready, and then I can't maybe trust that guy if he said, okay, I can wait for

01:15:17.000 you.

01:15:17.400 That means, like, he can.

01:15:20.200 It's a good indicator as to how invested he is.

01:15:23.900 Yeah, so, like, he likes you, and he's willing to wait while you're willing to wait.

01:15:27.440 Yeah, exactly.

01:15:29.780 Word.

01:15:31.040 Word.

01:15:32.860 What's that?

01:15:33.820 The bar is in hell.

01:15:35.740 The bar is in hell, what does that mean?

01:15:37.180 It's, I mean, they're saying it's impressive if you could tell a guy you don't want to

01:15:40.320 have sex, and he's, like, cool with it, and understanding, the bar is in hell.

01:15:43.840 Like.

01:15:44.340 Okay.

01:15:45.480 Got it.

01:15:46.240 The bar is low.

01:15:47.180 The bar is very low.

01:15:48.120 That's what I mean, yeah.

01:15:49.340 Oh, okay.

01:15:50.760 Yeah, sorry.

01:15:51.500 Yeah, I see.

01:15:53.380 I see.

01:15:54.160 Well, so, I mean, I certainly agree that if the girl is, like, wants to wait, it's certainly

01:16:00.480 a good look to be like, hey, that's totally fine.

01:16:02.860 Like, I'm not pressed, we can, we can wait, but what if the guy, let's say the guy has

01:16:08.480 a rule, too.

01:16:09.620 Maybe he has a three-date rule, or maybe a two-date rule, maybe even a first-night rule,

01:16:15.500 and you say no, and he's like, would you take an issue with a guy who, let's say you're hanging

01:16:23.060 out with him, and he wants to hook up, and you don't, and he's like, okay, well, you can

01:16:28.260 leave.

01:16:28.560 Have any of you, I don't know if any of you have had that, but would you take an issue

01:16:33.160 with a guy, hanging out with a guy, he wants to hook up, you don't, that's totally fine,

01:16:39.420 but he says, okay, well, I don't want to hang out with you anymore.

01:16:42.140 Well, yeah, I'm definitely not going to see them anymore.

01:16:45.500 Obviously, yeah.

01:16:46.180 Yeah.

01:16:47.000 Yeah, I wouldn't.

01:16:48.140 Unless it was, like, planned, then it's, like, different, but, like, usually, no.

01:16:53.580 Okay.

01:16:54.460 I think that's disrespectful.

01:16:55.760 Disrespectful.

01:16:56.540 It's disrespectful for the guy to just say.

01:16:59.580 You can leave.

01:17:01.440 Like, because then you're like, okay, that's all he wanted me for.

01:17:04.160 Or maybe, like, let's say he doesn't, he's not going about it rude, but he's, like, he

01:17:08.680 tries, you know, maybe you guys kiss or make out a little bit, but you're just, like, you

01:17:12.120 don't want to go further, right?

01:17:13.300 And he's like, hey, that's fine.

01:17:14.900 Hey, you know, it's getting kind of late.

01:17:16.860 Like, maybe we could wrap it up.

01:17:17.980 So, he's kind of, like, it's apparent to you that he wanted to hook up and he kind

01:17:23.700 of wants to get on with his night, but he's doing so about as diplomatically as one can

01:17:29.460 go about it.

01:17:30.040 Would you take issue with that?

01:17:32.200 Now that I've reframed it, I don't know if you guys want to come back in, or?

01:17:35.720 That's just mean.

01:17:37.000 Still mean.

01:17:37.800 Yeah.

01:17:37.980 It would just make my mind think, like, Dan, like, he's probably poo-tanging it every

01:17:43.060 night, all day, 20, you got to get me out, get the next one in.

01:17:45.560 And it just makes you reconsider who you want to have, nothing wrong with getting

01:17:48.320 around, whatever, but it makes you want to reconsider who you're having sexual relationships

01:17:51.700 with.

01:17:52.240 Right.

01:17:53.300 I feel like it's different if, like, you guys, like, are making out and, like, doing

01:17:57.220 other things, and then, like, it ended, and not, like, abruptly, but, like, he was just,

01:18:02.220 like, okay, it's getting late, whatever.

01:18:04.080 But if you were, like, I don't want to have sex with you, and he's, like, okay, leave,

01:18:09.080 that is horrible.

01:18:10.760 Never talk to that man ever again.

01:18:12.540 Sure.

01:18:12.840 I think it's just looking for, like, different things, and there's nothing wrong with that,

01:18:17.860 but just not to waste each other's time, I think is really important.

01:18:20.160 That's fair.

01:18:21.260 I think it's good for them to let you know, because if you're not interested in doing

01:18:25.460 anything more than just making out and doing stuff, then, like, and letting you know is

01:18:31.140 a good thing, so you're not being let on.

01:18:32.860 But I think there's, like, in a nicer manner it could be done than just, like, saying get

01:18:38.900 out, like, kicking you out.

01:18:40.620 Sure.

01:18:42.000 Yeah, I think you just need to, like, talk about it before you hang out, because I feel

01:18:45.700 like sometimes guys, like, will try to be, like, really, really nice and, like, gentleman-like,

01:18:49.920 so, like, you feel more inclined to have sex with them.

01:18:52.960 But if, like, you talk about it beforehand like that, like, you're literally just, like,

01:18:58.720 meeting up to, like, smoke and then, like, have sex, then, like, yeah, that's fine.

01:19:04.040 But, like, if, like, they're, like, they want to have sex and you don't want to, and they're,

01:19:08.000 like, okay, leave, like, okay, lol, like, I'm gone.

01:19:11.060 Like, I don't know, just, like, move on.

01:19:12.280 There's, like, so many people.

01:19:13.320 Like, they couldn't, like, be that cute.

01:19:15.220 Sure.

01:19:15.540 Yeah.

01:19:16.100 Esther?

01:19:17.420 I think if you say it politely, I understand.

01:19:19.880 But, actually, I agree.

01:19:21.900 I would think, oh, he has someone else coming in, so I'm going to get out and not speak

01:19:26.140 to him ever again.

01:19:28.700 Yeah, that's kind of really disrespectful.

01:19:31.980 So, I'm just going to leave and then block everything, like, shut down from him.

01:19:36.620 Wait, so you think it would be disrespectful, even if he was kind of more diplomatic and polite

01:19:43.100 about asking you to leave?

01:19:45.660 Or ask, you know, kind of ending the night, so to speak.

01:19:50.860 It's still disrespectful.

01:19:53.060 It depends how he, like, react, I think.

01:19:57.640 I don't know.

01:19:58.960 Mm-hmm.

01:20:00.700 Sure.

01:20:01.940 So, I mean, my personal take on this is I'm not pressed to, like, get sex or have sex with

01:20:09.080 a girl.

01:20:09.720 So, if she wants to wait a bit, that's totally fine.

01:20:13.320 Not a big deal.

01:20:16.100 We can continue hanging out.

01:20:17.640 I do know, though, that there are definitely guys where they're for, so I'm not speaking

01:20:23.100 about me, but I'm speaking for other men here.

01:20:25.320 Some other men, I should say.

01:20:26.680 They just want to hook up.

01:20:31.600 They just want a one-time thing.

01:20:33.140 There's some women that want that.

01:20:34.760 There's some men that want that.

01:20:36.260 Sometimes there's not a, it doesn't sync up between what both people are kind of looking

01:20:42.420 for, but I would say that if, so men are not entitled to sex.

01:20:49.860 Women are not entitled to sex either, but men are not entitled to sex, and I would say

01:20:53.760 that women are not entitled to continued attention, to continued time hanging out.

01:21:00.800 So, if a guy, he wants something, and you don't want it, that's totally fine, but I think

01:21:06.560 just like how you're in your right to say, I don't want to have sex, he's also in his

01:21:11.440 right to say, well, I don't want to continue hanging out with you.

01:21:16.160 Do you disagree?

01:21:17.720 No.

01:21:18.280 Okay.

01:21:18.740 I disagree.

01:21:19.420 I mean, everyone, yeah, that's what he wants.

01:21:20.880 It's better to come clean so they can break it off now, but it doesn't make it any, like

01:21:25.880 how we explained earlier, it still doesn't make the situation less disrespectful in a sense.

01:21:30.800 Like, if it was really me, if I was put in that situation, I would be like, all right,

01:21:34.000 cool, like, you don't want to do anything.

01:21:35.540 If our plan was for you to stay the night or something like vibe out, let's vibe out,

01:21:38.960 and then maybe before you actually, it is time for you to leave, or in the morning, whatever,

01:21:43.500 and then I'd be like, hey, I don't know, seems like we might want different things, maybe

01:21:46.720 it's better off separate, but just being like, oh, you don't want to fuck, all right,

01:21:50.580 dip out, homie, it's like a little, like, damn.

01:21:53.240 That's pretty ruthless, I would say.

01:21:55.580 I don't recommend guys doing that, but I think there probably are guys that are

01:21:59.920 that abrasive, so don't recommend it, guys.

01:22:05.280 So we've touched on a whole bunch of stuff.

01:22:08.220 Let me just see if there's any soup chats.

01:22:09.860 No, we don't have any soup chats, so let's see, where did I want to go with this?

01:22:14.160 We got a chat here from Stifler.

01:22:21.740 Stifler wants to ask the ladies to rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10.

01:22:28.480 We'll start over here.

01:22:29.280 What?

01:22:29.520 Like, looks, personalities, full package?

01:22:31.460 Like, what are we going to do?

01:22:32.040 Looks.

01:22:33.040 1 out of 10.

01:22:40.480 I've never been asked to rate myself before.

01:22:43.700 We're talking, like, for the area, like, all over the whole world.

01:22:49.580 Okay.

01:22:50.160 Like, you know, you could be an Idaho 10, but, like, an LA 4, you know?

01:22:54.620 Just give us your California rating, I guess.

01:23:00.480 I would say I'm, like, a California 8.

01:23:03.820 Okay.

01:23:04.700 So you're an 8.

01:23:05.500 Okay.

01:23:08.900 A California 6.5.

01:23:11.800 Just disregard the California thing.

01:23:13.560 Oh, okay.

01:23:14.440 Just your writing thing.

01:23:15.420 Then just a general.

01:23:16.840 We'll round up to 7 average.

01:23:19.440 Wait, so you're.

01:23:20.780 Oh, okay.

01:23:21.520 I see.

01:23:21.960 I see what you did there.

01:23:22.700 Okay, go ahead.

01:23:23.720 8.

01:23:24.620 I'd say 7 or an 8.

01:23:27.040 8.

01:23:28.220 It depends what day it is.

01:23:30.820 Valid.

01:23:31.500 Valid.

01:23:32.120 Mondays are, like, 6.

01:23:33.500 Tuesdays, like, a 10.

01:23:34.840 Like, I don't know.

01:23:36.380 Like, an 8.

01:23:37.920 I think I have, like, good.

01:23:41.260 Yeah, like an 8.

01:23:42.580 We'll just edit there.

01:23:44.980 8.

01:23:46.820 7.

01:23:47.680 6.

01:23:49.120 Okay.

01:23:49.700 Thank you for that question, Stifler.

01:23:51.160 Logan Paul says, please peg me.

01:23:54.000 Um, okay.

01:23:55.160 I guess I don't think that's the real Logan Paul, but, uh, yeah, Logan Paul's kind of a, I don't

01:24:02.100 like Logan Paul.

01:24:02.860 Okay.

01:24:03.200 Does anyone?

01:24:04.400 He's kind of a.

01:24:07.140 Anyways.

01:24:07.640 Okay.

01:24:08.140 We got Andrew Tate here in the chat.

01:24:10.520 Romanian women are known for having large labia.

01:24:13.280 Oh.

01:24:13.380 Thank you for that fact.

01:24:16.420 Okay.

01:24:17.180 Uh, I'm flying the brunette to Romania.

01:24:19.480 Pack your bags.

01:24:20.500 Um, which one, dude?

01:24:21.880 We got a couple.

01:24:23.680 There's a few.

01:24:24.600 I'm not.

01:24:25.720 Yeah.

01:24:26.560 Alana?

01:24:27.120 Are you talking about Alana?

01:24:27.960 Alana.

01:24:28.540 Andrew Tate is inviting you to Romania.

01:24:30.760 Are you.

01:24:31.980 Cool.

01:24:33.100 Let's go.

01:24:33.640 You taking his.

01:24:34.820 You taking his invitation?

01:24:36.180 Private jet?

01:24:36.760 Yeah.

01:24:37.480 Okay.

01:24:37.880 There you go.

01:24:39.060 Um, let's see here.

01:24:40.720 So hold on.

01:24:42.760 Let me pull this back up.

01:24:43.800 So you kind of touched on this a bit, Alana.

01:24:46.400 So I want to go around the table on this.

01:24:49.700 If the sex is trash, is it a wrap?

01:24:57.900 You looking at me?

01:24:58.680 Yes.

01:24:58.840 I'm looking at you.

01:24:59.580 Yeah.

01:24:59.820 Yes.

01:25:00.900 It's just never going to work.

01:25:02.380 So if the sex is bad, it's, it's a, you're not going to, are you going to give him a,

01:25:06.460 a couple of chances?

01:25:08.100 We can do a few trial runs.

01:25:08.980 Like, you know, if there's still a personality connection there, but you can't figure it out

01:25:13.540 after a few times or probably not meant to bump parts.

01:25:17.840 You know what I mean?

01:25:22.300 Um, I mean, yeah, like a couple tries and if it's still not like crazy, awesome, then

01:25:29.780 hold on.

01:25:30.280 Wait, I just need to address something in the chat really quick.

01:25:33.080 Um, hold on guys.

01:25:34.420 Uh, where is it?

01:25:37.600 Sorry guys.

01:25:38.260 One sec here.

01:25:40.520 Uh, sorry guys.

01:25:42.700 Hold on.

01:25:45.680 Where is it?

01:25:54.080 Sorry guys.

01:25:54.740 One sec.

01:25:55.240 One sec.

01:25:55.260 Uh, why is it?

01:26:04.540 Yeah.

01:26:05.100 Okay.

01:26:05.520 X, X, X, X, X, DM.

01:26:08.100 I need you to tone, tone that down a little bit, man.

01:26:11.940 Sorry dude.

01:26:12.560 But come on.

01:26:13.920 Um, anyways, go ahead.

01:26:18.760 Sorry.

01:26:18.980 Who was answering?

01:26:19.780 Oh, I was.

01:26:20.360 Yeah, guys, let's keep, uh, we don't have any chat mods at the moment guys, but, uh, yeah,

01:26:26.540 let's, come on.

01:26:28.260 No, uh, let's, uh, not, not be too toxic in the chat.

01:26:32.620 Okay.

01:26:33.860 Um, sorry.

01:26:34.580 Go ahead.

01:26:35.580 Um, what was the question again?

01:26:37.540 Sorry.

01:26:37.800 Uh, so if the sex is trash, is it a wrap?

01:26:41.920 Um, I mean like, first time, it's like, common, it's fine, but if it's like a reoccurring

01:26:48.800 thing, then I don't think the person's right for me personally.

01:26:54.280 Yeah, I agree with that, because I feel like both people could be shy, and like, I don't

01:27:01.000 know, just doesn't work out the same, so you could try again.

01:27:04.700 Okay.

01:27:04.960 Yeah, chemistry is really important, so I think for the first couple times, maybe you

01:27:10.480 can tell, like, you're still trying to get to know each other, but then after, if that's

01:27:13.820 like a continuous pattern, then probably not the best fit.

01:27:17.280 I feel like if you are, like, like, if you're sleeping with somebody, like, the first time

01:27:23.820 after, it depends on how long you've been talking to them.

01:27:27.040 If you haven't been talking that much, and you guys have sex, yeah, the first time might

01:27:31.140 not be good, but give it another try.

01:27:33.040 But if you've been talking to them for a bit, and you guys have both been waiting, then,

01:27:38.220 and if it's bad, then I don't think it's meant to be, because I think there should be that

01:27:41.660 chemistry that you guys both have been building up.

01:27:44.200 I think it, like, depends, like, how they're going into it.

01:27:50.560 If they're like, oh, yeah, like, I'm going to lay hella good pipe, and if it's not, you're

01:27:54.900 going to be like, oh, for real?

01:27:57.160 Boom, done.

01:27:58.620 But if, like, I don't know if, like, you like them, and it's just, like, you guys are, like,

01:28:01.760 nervous the first time, like, maybe.

01:28:03.680 I don't know.

01:28:03.980 But I think, like, if they're, like, really, like, legit the first time, it's definitely

01:28:08.180 going to be, like, you're going to, like, go back and be like, yeah, they were it.

01:28:11.780 Like, that was dope.

01:28:13.120 But I don't know.

01:28:14.440 Like, it's not, like, a deal breaker.

01:28:16.260 Not really.

01:28:17.940 Esther?

01:28:18.800 Give it a couple of tries, but I think just communicate.

01:28:21.620 A lot of the time, different people like different things.

01:28:23.940 Our bodies are different, so let your partner know, and if you let them know, and they're

01:28:29.600 still not up to your standards, then you can let go.

01:28:36.340 For me, it's, I'll, if I don't feel good first time, I'm just going to, maybe we should

01:28:44.720 talk, and then if it's not works, it depends on, like, how much I like him, maybe, also.

01:28:52.800 But.

01:28:53.500 You're in love with him.

01:28:55.920 You're, I mean, you said before that you want to be in love to have sex, so, I mean.

01:29:01.100 I like, yeah.

01:29:02.780 Allegedly.

01:29:03.740 Allegedly.

01:29:04.780 I don't know, if, because of the sex, I'm losing, like, my emotional for him sometimes,

01:29:11.640 maybe, then that's not my guy.

01:29:15.320 Wait, I have a question.

01:29:16.300 Okay, so this is related to Japan.

01:29:18.040 Have you ever been to a host club?

01:29:20.940 Do you know what that is?

01:29:21.820 No.

01:29:22.120 I know, I know what it is.

01:29:23.360 Yeah.

01:29:23.500 Okay.

01:29:25.840 I don't think anyone else at the table probably knows about that, but, is anyone else Japanese?

01:29:31.400 No?

01:29:31.740 Okay.

01:29:31.880 I've been to Japan.

01:29:32.440 Okay.

01:29:32.820 So, you've never been to a host club?

01:29:37.260 No.

01:29:38.060 But you've heard of them, right?

01:29:39.280 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:39.600 It's really, like...

01:29:40.640 Yeah, just to explain it to the panel and the viewers, host club is something very unique

01:29:46.360 to Japan.

01:29:46.880 And, basically, it's a club where women go to get male attention.

01:29:53.180 So, there's hired men who, I guess, are kind of attractive and good conversationalists.

01:29:57.940 And, women will pay to conversate with men at these host clubs.

01:30:03.740 And, the men are called hosts.

01:30:06.040 So...

01:30:06.440 They have a both side, though.

01:30:07.800 There is both sides, yes.

01:30:09.400 So, it's kind of interesting, like, how...

01:30:11.180 I'm curious why that is something...

01:30:13.720 It might be in...

01:30:14.720 Maybe in other Asian countries, but I think it's really just in Japan where they have that.

01:30:21.620 Oh, in Thailand, they have kind of those things, too.

01:30:24.660 Okay.

01:30:25.120 Yeah.

01:30:25.480 But, it's interesting.

01:30:26.360 Like, that would never...

01:30:27.320 You don't see that in Western countries.

01:30:30.660 Or, I mean, most other countries, you don't see that.

01:30:33.100 So, but from what I heard is that a lot of the women that go to the host clubs, they're

01:30:37.600 actually sex workers themselves, and they're looking for, like, an emotional connection

01:30:44.060 with the...

01:30:46.600 Anyways, whatever.

01:30:47.480 Kind of getting derailed there a little bit.

01:30:49.960 So, so, wow.

01:30:51.920 Some of y'all are kind of brutal there.

01:30:54.140 Sex is bad.

01:30:55.340 It's a done deal, right?

01:30:56.940 Well, let me ask you this.

01:30:57.980 So, would you want a guy...

01:31:00.980 Like, if the sex is bad, like, what are you going to do to make it better?

01:31:04.200 Are you going to teach him?

01:31:04.960 Because I feel like that would be a big turnoff for a lot of girls to have to show a guy how

01:31:10.080 to fuck you, or how to make you cum.

01:31:12.080 You'd be like...

01:31:13.000 Because a lot of women want guys to just get it.

01:31:16.060 They want guys pre-assembled.

01:31:18.020 So, your take.

01:31:21.160 Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to teach someone anything.

01:31:25.240 That's just not...

01:31:26.640 No, I don't picture myself doing that.

01:31:28.520 That's why I'll give you a few tries to, like, pick up on the fact that this is not vibing

01:31:33.680 with me, and then after that, I'm sure somebody else will love what they got going on, but

01:31:38.680 I don't.

01:31:40.220 I mean, depends on the person.

01:31:41.760 If you're, like, really emotionally connected, I think it's a team effort.

01:31:47.120 Like, you just got to help each other out.

01:31:49.060 Sure.

01:31:49.640 But, yeah.

01:31:52.080 Okay.

01:31:52.480 Yeah, if I liked him, then I'd tell him what I like, and he might like different things.

01:31:58.360 I don't know.

01:31:58.880 You never know.

01:32:00.160 And I feel like also a lot of girls lie about cumming, so, like, guys don't know what girls

01:32:07.520 actually like because all these girls are lying to them, you know?

01:32:11.900 And I've lied too, so, like...

01:32:13.700 You've faked an orgasm.

01:32:15.260 Yes.

01:32:16.980 Yeah, that's pretty much one of the worst things.

01:32:18.760 Well, not one of the worst things you can do, but it's pretty bad.

01:32:21.480 Well, like, sometimes you just want it over, and you're just like...

01:32:24.100 Oh, okay.

01:32:25.180 Go away.

01:32:28.200 Sure, okay.

01:32:29.620 Well, yeah, I think it's about the emotional connection you have with that person.

01:32:32.580 If there's a lot, then you guys, like, work through it, but if there's not, then it's

01:32:35.360 probably just not, like, no good...

01:32:37.160 That just means there's no good chemistry, and it's probably not worth each other's time.

01:32:41.200 Yeah.

01:32:41.620 Wait, so I want to come back to you really quick.

01:32:43.560 So, you fake the orgasm and then go away.

01:32:48.340 Yeah.

01:32:48.980 Okay, so you want it to end.

01:32:50.980 Like, if it's bad, and I'm, like, not enjoying it, and, like, I just want it over, like...

01:32:56.700 Okay, and so basically what I guess my understanding is, once the guy's made you come, then he's

01:33:02.440 going to be like, okay, now I can come.

01:33:03.960 Is that kind of...

01:33:05.700 No, usually it's, like, they do first.

01:33:08.260 They come first?

01:33:09.160 And then they're, like, trying to make...

01:33:11.680 I mean, in my...

01:33:12.680 Are you talking, like, going down on you, or using hands, or whatever?

01:33:16.200 Just whatever.

01:33:17.180 I don't know.

01:33:17.800 Like, and then they'll try to, like, make it...

01:33:20.460 I don't know.

01:33:21.260 It's just, like, sometimes it's not working, and I just fake it.

01:33:24.680 Because I'm just, like, it's...

01:33:26.240 You're not doing it right.

01:33:28.020 And I don't...

01:33:29.000 Like, I'm not emotionally attached to them, so I, like, don't really care to tell them.

01:33:33.560 Sure.

01:33:34.100 Has anyone here not had an orgasm with a partner?

01:33:39.120 I haven't.

01:33:40.520 Probably because I lie.

01:33:42.560 But, like, also, yeah.

01:33:44.280 Wait, and what was your longest relationship?

01:33:46.800 It was, like, six months, I think, but it was, like, really off and on.

01:33:51.520 It was bad.

01:33:52.840 He cheated on me, like, two days after he asked me out.

01:33:55.740 Can we get some candle vigils in the chat for Alana?

01:34:00.820 And...

01:34:01.460 Or some skulls in the chat.

01:34:02.780 Rest in peace.

01:34:03.280 Okay.

01:34:04.260 That is unfortunate.

01:34:05.760 Good times.

01:34:07.500 So...

01:34:08.020 Anyone else never been able to climax with a partner?

01:34:15.560 Anybody?

01:34:16.420 Only a few times, to be honest.

01:34:18.480 I just fake it.

01:34:20.620 Okay, good times.

01:34:22.320 And so just to go back around, I'm trying to remember what we were...

01:34:26.980 I don't know where we were.

01:34:29.740 Can anyone remind me?

01:34:31.580 I was going around...

01:34:32.180 Something about working through it if, like, the sex isn't good.

01:34:35.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:35.400 I think that's what we're talking about.

01:34:36.160 I had answered, so I think it's...

01:34:37.800 Yeah.

01:34:38.260 We'll answer it.

01:34:39.140 And we can...

01:34:40.320 It was about, like, teaching them how to...

01:34:42.560 Yeah.

01:34:42.960 Oh, teaching them.

01:34:43.860 Yeah, like, if you'd want to teach a guy how to fuck you.

01:34:47.860 So, for a guy, I think, like, if he likes different things, and if I'm doing something that, you

01:34:58.380 know, isn't working for him, you tell me, and then I could tell him what, like, what he

01:35:03.200 can do for me, and we just come to it together.

01:35:05.820 But if the next time it's really not improving or anything, because with the chemistry, it

01:35:12.660 should be, like, I feel like it should be good, and it's just, like, sex.

01:35:16.460 I don't know how you can be bad at sex, I'm going to be honest.

01:35:20.000 You don't know how you can be bad at sex?

01:35:21.300 Yeah, how can you be bad at it?

01:35:22.840 You've had sex, right?

01:35:24.180 Yes.

01:35:26.440 Well, I recently lost...

01:35:28.560 I lost my virginity a month before I came to college.

01:35:32.360 So, like, two months ago?

01:35:33.560 Yes.

01:35:34.860 Okay.

01:35:36.120 Okay.

01:35:39.100 And it was good, so...

01:35:41.080 So, I don't have a problem with it.

01:35:43.100 No, hearts?

01:35:43.600 No, because, like, we were really close.

01:35:45.200 We're, like, close friends, so...

01:35:46.500 No, like, hearts, like, physically.

01:35:49.040 What do you mean?

01:35:49.380 The first time.

01:35:50.640 Like, pain.

01:35:51.260 Pain, yeah.

01:35:51.900 Oh, no.

01:35:52.740 Like, I mean, he had a really nice...

01:35:54.480 I mean...

01:35:55.400 Say it.

01:35:56.020 I mean, I would rate him literally 11 out of 10, because I recently...

01:36:03.860 His pain, or his...

01:36:05.180 Everything.

01:36:05.740 It's just, like, we had, like, that connection, and he is very tall and an athlete.

01:36:10.740 How tall is he?

01:36:11.280 An athlete.

01:36:11.800 How tall?

01:36:12.220 He's 6'5".

01:36:13.280 6'5".

01:36:13.820 And I'm 5'10", so that's very much...

01:36:16.060 And he's an athlete.

01:36:16.960 Football player?

01:36:18.460 Basketball.

01:36:19.880 Okay.

01:36:20.080 Why don't you, like, date with him?

01:36:22.480 We haven't talked about it, but we're seeing each other...

01:36:25.800 Because, like, we're friends, so when he comes from college and I go back home, we're hanging

01:36:30.460 out and talking.

01:36:31.660 He's also a 6'5 athlete, so, I mean, why is he going to commit?

01:36:36.140 But, okay.

01:36:38.100 Oh, damn.

01:36:39.640 Well, I mean...

01:36:40.240 No, that's true.

01:36:40.800 I'm just being honest.

01:36:41.740 He's tall.

01:36:42.500 He can have D1 babies.

01:36:43.720 Yeah, I'm a 5'10 athlete, so we could have...

01:36:46.560 But, I mean, come on.

01:36:48.900 Come on.

01:36:49.500 You're going to share him, but okay.

01:36:52.500 He's not faithful to you, right?

01:36:54.660 We're not, like, together.

01:36:56.400 Okay.

01:36:56.780 No.

01:36:57.340 Not together, so...

01:36:57.980 Yeah, you're going to share him.

01:36:59.540 If you want him.

01:37:00.420 Anyways, go ahead.

01:37:02.520 I think you should, like, try to, like, communicate what you like.

01:37:06.700 I think if it's just, like, a hookup, like, you met, like, an hour ago and now you're having

01:37:10.160 sex, like, maybe it's hard to be, like, do this, do that.

01:37:13.140 But, like, it is, like, they're, like, it's hard for a lot of girls to have orgasms.

01:37:18.320 Like, that's pretty much just a thing.

01:37:20.960 And if you're in a relationship and you, like, sex is a big part of your relationship for,

01:37:25.500 like, connection issues, emotional, whatever, then you're going to want to talk about, like,

01:37:29.240 what to do.

01:37:30.020 Like, I feel like, I don't know.

01:37:31.880 I don't...

01:37:32.180 I think definitely people think it's embarrassing.

01:37:33.860 And it's just, like, really easy to be, like, oh, yeah, sex was trash, like, done with him.

01:37:39.620 I mean, like, if you want to work through it and, like, actually, like, learn, like, about

01:37:43.420 your body and, like, guys' bodies and, like, how to, like, have good sex with people who

01:37:47.760 isn't, like, with people who aren't just that one person, then, like, it's good to communicate.

01:37:52.840 By the way, I hope I didn't cut you off there.

01:37:54.900 I don't know if you had any more, anything else you wanted to say.

01:37:58.060 Oh, not really.

01:37:59.120 I was going to say, I did, like, recently hook up with somebody here, and I'd still rate

01:38:03.380 the first guy that I lost my virgin to 11 out of 10.

01:38:06.240 I stand...

01:38:06.620 He was better than...

01:38:07.840 Yeah.

01:38:09.380 Like, I feel like just nobody's going to top him.

01:38:11.220 I don't know.

01:38:11.700 Six-five athlete, by the way.

01:38:13.200 Like, I don't think anybody's...

01:38:14.280 Like, he's just, like, the whole package.

01:38:16.600 I don't think anybody would be able to top him so far.

01:38:19.040 Yeah.

01:38:19.340 And you said that sex isn't that hard.

01:38:23.900 I don't...

01:38:24.460 I feel like it's just come to you naturally.

01:38:26.980 Like, it's not pen dolls.

01:38:29.420 Like, I feel like...

01:38:30.340 Pem dolls.

01:38:31.280 So, it should be...

01:38:32.580 It's a math shit.

01:38:33.320 There.

01:38:33.660 Well, I would say that, and you guys are free to disagree with me, it's harder to be good

01:38:39.300 in bed as a guy than as a woman.

01:38:42.260 It's much harder to perform as a man in bed.

01:38:45.200 Yes.

01:38:46.320 So, there's that.

01:38:47.820 Yeah.

01:38:48.160 I think I'm getting a lot of head shakes.

01:38:49.460 I think, overall, the panel agrees with me.

01:38:51.360 Anyone...

01:38:53.540 Did you disagree or...

01:38:54.840 No.

01:38:55.000 Okay.

01:38:55.520 Esther, I know you're dying to come in on this.

01:38:57.560 I just want to say what you said makes sense.

01:39:00.340 I mean, women have different nerve endings down there, simply put.

01:39:05.860 So, the fact that sex might not be good the first time is fine.

01:39:09.760 Like, the other girl he was having sex with before, just her body was different, and it's

01:39:14.680 fine.

01:39:15.300 But, of course, when you do communicate, and after the communication, if it's still not

01:39:18.780 good, well, then just give up, move on.

01:39:21.100 But, it's okay to just, like, kind of guide them in the right direction.

01:39:25.760 But, like, to teach someone, like, the entire thing, I don't know about that.

01:39:29.240 But, like, to guide someone I don't think is hurtful, or, like, it makes me feel bad.

01:39:34.040 Like, I know my body, obviously, better than someone who just, like, isn't me.

01:39:39.760 So, and as far as the whole, who is, who is sex harder for?

01:39:47.600 Or, is it harder for men or women to be good and bad?

01:39:51.720 I think the way women form their emotional connection might be, like, might affect it

01:39:56.720 more than, I don't know, anything else.

01:39:58.920 But, there are also some girls I know who, like, are just totally down to hook up, and

01:40:02.740 for them, like, sex is easy.

01:40:03.960 I don't know the actual, like, like, you know, the actual action of sex, I'm talking

01:40:07.800 more about, like, going to hook up with someone, like.

01:40:10.980 Oh, no, yeah, I'm talking, like, the actual physical act of sex.

01:40:14.140 Well, then I haven't done enough research, you know, I don't know what to tell you.

01:40:18.320 Oh, okay, so you're, are you a virgin?

01:40:20.120 No, I mean, I'm just, I don't know it from the guy's side, like, you know, like, do guys

01:40:24.340 say, like.

01:40:24.860 Oh, wait, are you, are you, uh, bi or lesbian?

01:40:28.020 No.

01:40:28.660 Wait, I'm.

01:40:29.520 I'm just, I don't know how hard, like, okay, have I asked every single guy I know?

01:40:33.960 How hard sex is for them?

01:40:35.580 And have I asked every single girl I know how hard sex is for them?

01:40:39.080 Like, that's what I'm trying to say.

01:40:40.720 Like, I don't have enough information to tell you.

01:40:43.380 No, so I guess to try to.

01:40:48.960 So you, okay, you've had experience having sex.

01:40:51.340 I mean, but you can, you can intellectualize it.

01:40:53.620 Like, okay, what, what goes into having sex?

01:40:56.420 What are sort of the performance issues that women can encounter?

01:40:59.600 What are the performance issues men can encounter?

01:41:03.960 I mean, it depends on every single woman and every single man.

01:41:07.500 Like, every, you know, I don't know how to generalize it.

01:41:11.560 Like, some woman might find it more difficult and some man might find it more difficult.

01:41:16.080 That's, just depends.

01:41:17.740 But overall, like, overall, generally speaking.

01:41:20.420 Well, that's what I'm trying to say.

01:41:21.340 I can't answer that question.

01:41:22.440 Okay, fair enough.

01:41:23.020 I think that, I think generally for women, it might be harder for us to enjoy it.

01:41:28.500 Because for us, I think the emotional aspect is still.

01:41:31.460 Y'all like can multiple orgasms and.

01:41:34.100 No, but then to achieve that is hard.

01:41:36.020 But then so much of that is emotional than physical.

01:41:39.460 Whereas for men, it's the opposite.

01:41:41.400 Yeah.

01:41:43.220 Yeah.

01:41:43.580 I think it's harder for men to be better at it.

01:41:46.400 They have to do the stroke and do all that shit.

01:41:48.660 I could just lay there and he'll probably say it was amazing.

01:41:51.540 Yeah.

01:41:51.900 It was the best time of his life.

01:41:53.060 I didn't even move.

01:41:54.160 Yeah, honestly, I think most men, like, for men, I think sex is like pizza.

01:41:59.540 Like, there's no such, there's no bad pizza.

01:42:02.300 Yeah.

01:42:02.480 You know?

01:42:02.960 It's still pizza, you know?

01:42:04.480 That's how sex is, you know?

01:42:06.540 Like, one time this guy thought we were having sex.

01:42:09.540 What?

01:42:09.720 But really, he was just like.

01:42:10.600 What?

01:42:11.320 Yeah.

01:42:11.840 It was.

01:42:12.120 He thought?

01:42:13.140 It was like between your thighs?

01:42:14.460 Yes.

01:42:14.760 The fuck?

01:42:15.460 And he went to all his friends.

01:42:17.460 I was the best, like, bitch ever.

01:42:19.400 Yo, what?

01:42:19.760 And I was like, wow.

01:42:21.180 No fucking way.

01:42:22.260 That's crazy.

01:42:23.420 He.

01:42:24.640 Just a tip.

01:42:25.500 Just for a second.

01:42:26.240 Like.

01:42:26.560 Just a tip.

01:42:27.300 There was no tip to be inserted.

01:42:29.280 It was like.

01:42:30.140 You didn't tell him?

01:42:31.020 No.

01:42:31.540 Of course not.

01:42:33.020 I wasn't going to do that.

01:42:34.460 So it was.

01:42:35.000 How do you turn around and tell a man you were fucking my legs right now?

01:42:37.540 You do that.

01:42:39.240 What?

01:42:39.740 So.

01:42:40.340 What?

01:42:40.460 He finished?

01:42:43.040 Because, I mean, you could.

01:42:44.420 Time was done.

01:42:46.680 Because, I mean, I could see.

01:42:47.800 You know, have you ever, like.

01:42:49.520 Has someone ever gotten your name wrong and you don't correct them?

01:42:52.200 And so much.

01:42:52.720 Every day.

01:42:53.320 A period of time has passed.

01:42:54.920 Where it'd be.

01:42:55.900 If you told them at the forefront, it'd be okay.

01:42:58.460 But.

01:42:59.020 Exactly.

01:42:59.440 Too much time passed.

01:43:00.380 Yeah.

01:43:00.680 Now it's awkward.

01:43:01.440 Yeah.

01:43:01.720 That was like.

01:43:02.200 I can't.

01:43:02.360 You let it go on for too long and then you just couldn't.

01:43:04.560 At least it didn't go on for that long.

01:43:07.100 Luckily.

01:43:08.300 But.

01:43:08.420 How long?

01:43:09.680 I would say max two minutes.

01:43:11.900 Oh my God.

01:43:12.800 I'm dating max.

01:43:13.980 Your thighs?

01:43:14.960 My thighs.

01:43:15.200 What position was it?

01:43:16.360 Like cuddling.

01:43:18.300 Oh.

01:43:19.040 I could kind of see how that could happen.

01:43:20.660 But you don't.

01:43:20.980 Come on.

01:43:22.000 But still.

01:43:22.860 You should know the feeling.

01:43:23.920 The positioning kind of makes sense how that could happen.

01:43:28.060 But still.

01:43:28.600 Yeah.

01:43:29.220 Bad.

01:43:29.860 Good times.

01:43:31.120 Good times, guys.

01:43:32.700 Wow.

01:43:33.060 Okay.

01:43:33.380 So you've got that.

01:43:36.880 The thighs?

01:43:39.700 Yes.

01:43:39.900 I was trying to think of the Cardi B song.

01:43:41.720 Okay.

01:43:41.980 Never mind.

01:43:43.420 Never mind.

01:43:44.080 What, but thighs?

01:43:45.560 You've got some wet ass thighs.

01:43:47.580 What?

01:43:48.040 What?

01:43:48.320 What?

01:43:48.680 You got a what?

01:43:49.400 Okay.

01:43:49.780 There you go.

01:43:50.180 I have no idea how we got there.

01:43:53.520 Okay.

01:43:53.960 So.

01:43:55.340 Oh, yeah.

01:43:55.900 Sex being harder.

01:43:56.920 For guys.

01:43:57.740 Yeah.

01:43:58.960 Yeah.

01:43:59.640 It's tough.

01:44:00.820 That's why I stick to anal sex.

01:44:02.480 Okay.

01:44:02.820 So moving on.

01:44:04.720 Let me see if I got any soup chats here.

01:44:06.620 So.

01:44:07.380 No.

01:44:07.620 Not yet.

01:44:07.960 By the way, guys.

01:44:08.540 If you want, get your soup chats in.

01:44:10.680 And I think we got.

01:44:12.380 Let me see.

01:44:14.440 Hold on, guys.

01:44:15.220 One sec.

01:44:16.200 Yeah.

01:44:16.560 I think we're good on soup chats.

01:44:17.740 So, I want to ask you guys.

01:44:24.780 Is slut shaming wrong?

01:44:27.660 More specifically, shaming, because I mean, slut, that term can have a couple different connotations.

01:44:33.780 Shaming people for being promiscuous or having a high body count.

01:44:39.980 Is it wrong?

01:44:42.640 It depends.

01:44:44.580 That's my answer.

01:44:46.280 On what?

01:44:46.760 Like, it's no problem.

01:44:48.640 Somebody has a high body count.

01:44:50.060 But, like, say, for instance, you know somebody has a high body count.

01:44:52.600 And then you have a conversation with them.

01:44:54.920 And, like, say it's about STDs or things like that.

01:44:57.080 And they're, like, completely unknowledgeable.

01:44:59.820 Have no idea what they're talking about in that realm.

01:45:01.620 It's like, you can't have a high body count and then be reckless and not even know what you're doing.

01:45:05.840 You know?

01:45:06.400 It's a little crazy.

01:45:07.600 But as long as you do your research and you know how to be safe.

01:45:09.640 You're getting tested.

01:45:10.420 Checked.

01:45:10.820 All the stuff.

01:45:11.320 Yeah.

01:45:12.800 I guess, actually, I'm just going to reframe it.

01:45:15.820 Well, I guess you guys, we'll go around really quick if you guys want to answer the initial question.

01:45:19.660 Yeah.

01:45:19.960 I think slut shaming is wrong.

01:45:21.440 I mean, someone can love sex and just, you know, it's their life, their body, their choice.

01:45:26.380 They can do whatever they want with it.

01:45:28.000 It's none of my concern.

01:45:29.300 And it shouldn't be anyone else's concern except for theirs.

01:45:31.880 But, yeah, as long as they're safe and, like, they're okay, then it's fine.

01:45:38.140 Yeah.

01:45:38.760 I agree with that.

01:45:39.920 Yeah.

01:45:40.900 Yeah, for sure.

01:45:42.560 I really think it does depend.

01:45:45.140 Like, because some people just have personal issues going on that, like, what doing that just makes them feel better.

01:45:51.680 But it's also about, like, being safe.

01:45:53.580 If they're, like, what she said, they're just going around and they don't get tested or anything.

01:45:59.020 And some people just don't even use safety.

01:46:03.300 So they're putting other people at risk to those diseases.

01:46:08.300 So, like, I just think it does depend.

01:46:11.380 Sure.

01:46:12.700 Yeah, I think it's wrong.

01:46:13.920 But I think, like, it's, like, hard.

01:46:16.600 Like, a lot of people are, like, they just, like, go to that.

01:46:20.240 Like, oh, like, even, like, if, like, a guy doesn't want to, like, get with you or something, they'll be like, oh, well, he, like, is so ran through or something.

01:46:28.040 Like, it doesn't matter.

01:46:29.480 Like, I don't know.

01:46:30.020 I think it's just, like, a thing for, like, your own, like, insecurity or, like, confidence.

01:46:35.380 Like, you just, like, just backtrack to that.

01:46:37.660 Like, yeah, like, she's a thought.

01:46:40.320 So, like, it doesn't matter.

01:46:41.260 She doesn't want me.

01:46:42.180 I mean, it's wrong, definitely.

01:46:43.400 But I feel like there's, like, definitely, like, more layers to it.

01:46:45.960 Sure.

01:46:46.880 Esther?

01:46:47.600 I think shame is just incorrect.

01:46:49.580 Like, why would you shame someone for something?

01:46:51.400 Well, certainly we can.

01:46:52.120 I'm sure we can think of certain things we could shame people for.

01:46:55.120 I don't know, in this situation is all I'm referring to.

01:46:57.420 Maybe educating someone if you find out that they don't use protection I feel like would be more beneficial to both parties.

01:47:04.120 Just kind of, like, hey, do you know, maybe you should get checked as your friend, like, I'm just telling you.

01:47:09.220 Or maybe you should use protection.

01:47:12.160 But shaming is incorrect in this situation because you don't know where they were at or where they're at right now in their life.

01:47:19.400 Same as hard opinion.

01:47:25.540 Repeat.

01:47:26.020 So what?

01:47:27.120 The, wait, what's the question?

01:47:30.480 Sorry.

01:47:30.900 The what?

01:47:31.700 What was the question?

01:47:33.120 I.

01:47:34.840 So the question is, like, is slut shaming wrong?

01:47:39.360 And more specifically, like, we're talking about someone who's promiscuous or who's sleeping with a lot of people, has a high body count?

01:47:45.480 It depends.

01:47:47.620 I don't really shame, like, that people has a lot of body count.

01:47:51.520 But I'm, like, I don't want to, like, maybe as a Japanese culture, I don't want to say anything about my body count or something.

01:48:02.700 I just, if someone, like, ask me, like, hey, what's your body count?

01:48:06.320 I'm not going to say.

01:48:08.480 It's a secret.

01:48:09.920 Sure.

01:48:10.640 So do you guys think that should body count matter?

01:48:20.600 It depends, again.

01:48:22.660 Like, for me personally or in general for, like, everybody, should it matter?

01:48:26.980 Like, for me personally, I don't care.

01:48:29.540 Let's say there's a guy.

01:48:30.520 Yeah.

01:48:31.320 Let's say men out there.

01:48:32.400 I think I would say overwhelmingly men do care about it, but so should body count matter or do you take issue if a man were to care about your body count or other people's body counts?

01:48:46.340 Yeah.

01:48:46.600 If he found my body count an issue, I would just be like, you're weird, dude.

01:48:51.880 I don't know.

01:48:52.920 Okay.

01:48:53.220 Especially because most guys I know, they can multiply mine by eight and you're stressed.

01:48:57.740 That's a little crazy.

01:48:58.360 I mean, as long as you're clean, body count is just a social construct.

01:49:04.660 Like, it's not.

01:49:04.960 Body count's a social construct.

01:49:06.240 Yeah.

01:49:06.520 It's just, like, it doesn't matter.

01:49:08.500 I mean, it.

01:49:08.840 As long as you're clean.

01:49:09.660 Well, it is.

01:49:11.080 I don't, as far as it being a social construct, it is the number of people with whom you've had sex with.

01:49:18.580 Yeah, but I don't think it should be, like, a big deal.

01:49:21.240 Okay.

01:49:21.540 So, you would date a guy that slept with a hundred women, or sorry, a hundred women before you?

01:49:27.580 If he was clean and a good person.

01:49:29.880 If he was clean.

01:49:30.720 So, you're number 101.

01:49:31.860 No issue?

01:49:32.940 And I knew his intentions were good.

01:49:35.340 No issue.

01:49:35.980 Okay.

01:49:36.300 Fair enough.

01:49:36.860 Go ahead.

01:49:37.140 I don't think it matters, because, like, if you were dating someone, and you guys had sex, like, three times a day, that's going to add up to, like, if someone was having sex with, like, you know what I mean?

01:49:50.620 Like, a different person every day.

01:49:53.500 So, wait, you're saying that the actual number of instances with which you've had sex is?

01:50:00.400 Yeah, like, someone, like, doesn't want to be in a relationship, but wants to have sex, obviously, their body count's going to be higher than someone that's in a relationship, and that's just having a lot of sex.

01:50:10.360 Mm-hmm.

01:50:10.900 If that makes sense.

01:50:13.560 So, like, no.

01:50:14.560 Body counts don't matter to me.

01:50:16.100 Okay.

01:50:17.360 I think it doesn't matter as well.

01:50:18.860 I personally do care about body counts, because it's just, like, being with that many, like, you said, a hundred, like, me, personally, I would get shocked, because, like, how did you just, like, fuck that many people?

01:50:36.300 Like, why?

01:50:38.340 He's a 6'5 athlete.

01:50:39.280 That's what I'm saying.

01:50:39.820 I mean, how many do you think he was?

01:50:42.580 Actually, his body count was pretty low.

01:50:44.580 Okay, that's not my body.

01:50:45.380 No, that's not my body.

01:50:46.720 But, like, anyways.

01:50:48.860 But I just care about it, because I find it weird, because if I have a low body count, and then he has a high one, I would feel weird about it.

01:50:59.140 I don't know why.

01:51:00.240 But me, personally, I wouldn't be with somebody who's in the double digits, like, higher, yeah.

01:51:07.200 I think at this age, it's, like, pretty rare.

01:51:11.220 Not rare, but a lot of people, like, have hooked up, and so they do have, like, higher body counts, or could have higher body counts.

01:51:19.100 That's just, like, nothing to shame.

01:51:21.640 But, like, of course, like, it's still, like, you know, like, how did you get to that?

01:51:27.240 Like, I don't know.

01:51:27.900 It tells, like, a lot about a person.

01:51:29.320 Like, maybe, like, they came out of a relationship, and they're, like, a fucking spree, because, like, that's what makes them feel better.

01:51:34.180 You can kind of, like, you know, put yourself in their shoes, be like, okay, yeah, sure.

01:51:37.480 I don't, like, mind that it's high because of that reason.

01:51:40.740 But, like, if there's, like, some people, and they're, like, literally, like, just constantly, constantly, like, having sex.

01:51:47.360 Like, it's, like, okay, this is, like, kind of a problem.

01:51:51.280 Like, you know, like, why do you, like, live like that?

01:51:55.380 Sure.

01:51:55.940 Esther?

01:51:56.580 For me, at some point, I would just question, how does this person have this much time on their hands?

01:52:01.300 Like, is this their, like, hobby?

01:52:03.260 But if it wasn't, like, to that extent, I think I would just be okay with it.

01:52:08.560 For me, it's matter, because if he has a, like, body count, like, 100, over 100, I cannot trust him.

01:52:15.840 I don't know.

01:52:16.940 It's, it's, it depends on the situation, like, how he's been with the girls.

01:52:22.240 But if he said, like, over 100, like, I can't handle it.

01:52:26.480 Like, I cannot, ew, ew.

01:52:28.460 I don't want to have sex with him.

01:52:30.300 I don't know.

01:52:31.340 I guess, like, your guys' answers, because, like, what, the oldest out of you guys is 19?

01:52:35.460 Or you're old, 18, 20?

01:52:37.400 Yeah, I guess maybe me being 22, like, oh, these answers are just so cute.

01:52:41.980 Because, like, these guys are just lying to you guys most of the time.

01:52:44.000 I'm not saying that all of them aren't, but, like, especially in this area, any athlete in this area alone.

01:52:49.540 I was, I used to be an athletic training intern, if you know what that is, like, at the ATI.

01:52:54.340 Yeah.

01:52:54.900 Most of these guys entering their freshman year were already, like, they stopped counting in the 60s, 70s.

01:53:00.320 And I would see them, even if you take home one different person a week, that's already 52 people a year.

01:53:05.800 And these guys are taking home someone almost different every week, if not multiple times a week.

01:53:10.080 So, and just because a guy says his body count is 10 or under doesn't mean it actually is.

01:53:15.420 So, no matter what someone says, you still want to make sure they're clean and check.

01:53:19.540 They can have a body count of two and still have the, our own strand of chlamydia out here.

01:53:23.840 So, I don't know.

01:53:25.020 You guys just sound so, like, what I would say when I was 18 coming in.

01:53:29.080 So, I just had to get that off my chest.

01:53:31.440 No, that's a good point.

01:53:32.280 I mean, both men and women, I think, are going to lie about it, you know.

01:53:36.120 I don't think you can expect people to be totally honest with their, you want them to come in?

01:53:40.880 Go ahead.

01:53:41.400 I also think, like, a big thing is that, like, for a lot of guys, like, if you, like, haven't had sex, like, you're still a virgin right now.

01:53:48.940 Like, you're going to get flamed for it.

01:53:50.460 So, like, I know a lot of guys, like, that, like, just, like, lost their virginity just to lose it.

01:53:56.480 Like, it didn't mean anything.

01:53:57.740 And, like, that's just, like, I don't know.

01:53:59.200 Because they, you know, want to put up a front that they, like, pull bitches.

01:54:03.180 Like, girls, like, don't necessarily, like, feel that way.

01:54:06.780 They don't feel the need.

01:54:07.500 They have to, like, go all the way to sex to show that they, like, pull.

01:54:10.540 But guys are kind of, like, different.

01:54:12.060 Like, if they are not, like, sealing the deal fully, it's just, like, like, are you, like, really legit?

01:54:18.340 Right.

01:54:19.020 So, it sounded like most of you said that body count shouldn't matter or doesn't matter.

01:54:25.100 So, my question is, if body count doesn't matter, what's your body count?

01:54:29.460 Mine's 12.

01:54:31.060 I will not disclose.

01:54:34.000 You won't disclose?

01:54:35.460 No.

01:54:35.820 Is it more than 50?

01:54:38.880 No, no, no, no.

01:54:40.520 Fuck no.

01:54:42.060 Less than 10?

01:54:44.320 Will not disclose.

01:54:46.380 Just in case, like, employers find us.

01:54:48.820 Your employer, I get it, but, like, your employer's not.

01:54:51.720 They're not going to trip about it.

01:54:53.180 That's your private.

01:54:54.900 That's your private.

01:54:55.600 But you said it shouldn't matter, right?

01:54:57.200 So, then be the change you want to see in the world.

01:55:02.060 Just do.

01:55:03.060 Next.

01:55:03.780 Okay.

01:55:04.460 Alana?

01:55:05.220 Five.

01:55:06.040 Okay.

01:55:06.640 Less than five.

01:55:07.800 Less than five?

01:55:09.760 Four and a half?

01:55:11.160 Less than five.

01:55:12.120 Fair enough.

01:55:13.060 Three?

01:55:14.580 Yeah, I'm really not going to say.

01:55:15.980 I'm sorry.

01:55:17.140 It's like, I've had sex.

01:55:18.460 That's all you need to know.

01:55:19.820 I thought it doesn't matter.

01:55:21.380 It will.

01:55:21.880 Yeah, I just, I can't.

01:55:23.840 Okay.

01:55:24.140 I don't want my mom to find this.

01:55:25.860 I won't disclose.

01:55:27.820 Disclose.

01:55:29.140 Wow.

01:55:30.380 Multiply it by three and that's the real number.

01:55:32.480 Okay.

01:55:32.740 Oh, my God.

01:55:33.020 No, I wouldn't have started with a way lower number if I was going to do that.

01:55:36.560 No.

01:55:37.180 Okay.

01:55:37.400 I just don't see like, maybe because I said, once again, I'm older than you guys, basically

01:55:41.380 out of college, fifth year, whatever.

01:55:42.780 You just learn it's not really something, because you could say any number you want and people

01:55:48.800 are still going to be like, she could be lying, it could be higher, it could be less,

01:55:52.160 it could be whatever, so, but I just don't really, give a fuck, I'm 22 by 23 years old,

01:55:58.340 I slept with 12 combined women and men.

01:56:01.420 I really don't see anything concerning about that, but I don't know.

01:56:09.280 I think that's probably, I don't know if, I don't know if that's, I mean,

01:56:12.780 you have girlfriends, right?

01:56:13.780 So, you probably talk, and when I say girlfriends, it's like female friends.

01:56:16.740 I'm lower.

01:56:17.100 Like, are you about, are you commensurate, or, because I was going to say, at least for

01:56:22.200 this area, I think you're, at 22, you're a bit on the lower end.

01:56:26.380 Yeah, because I was in a relationship, a good part of college, so, like, I've only slept

01:56:29.840 with, I've slept with three different people since, like, the pandemic has started, since

01:56:34.380 before pandemic, so it's like, my, compared to my friends, especially my, like, bartending

01:56:38.560 friends, downtown friends, yeah, most of my girlfriends are, like,

01:56:43.060 bruv, bartenders?

01:56:43.780 Almost near the hundreds already, so that's why, like, yeah.

01:56:46.540 What?

01:56:46.700 Wait, hold on.

01:56:48.080 How old are your friends?

01:56:49.060 Like, almost, a lot of my friends are closer to 30.

01:56:51.480 Okay.

01:56:51.960 Yeah.

01:56:52.120 I mean, the 100 number doesn't surprise me, because I know some women with 100-plus

01:56:55.800 body counts.

01:56:56.240 Yeah.

01:56:56.380 I mean, I knew a 19-year-old chick, 100-plus body count.

01:57:00.820 I mean, UCSB, Santa Barbara, SBCC, Isla Vista, freshman women can rack up in the first freshman

01:57:14.200 quarter or semester or whatever it is, like, major numbers, so, yeah, that doesn't totally

01:57:20.340 surprise me.

01:57:20.800 So, I, just really curious, though, so, what would you say, for your age range, do you

01:57:25.080 think is the average?

01:57:26.520 For my, for women?

01:57:27.500 Yeah, because you said you're a bit low, so do you think it's closer to, like, 20, 30?

01:57:30.580 I would say, yeah, for my age, like, to, like, 22, 25-year-olds, are usually around,

01:57:34.160 like, 30, 30, 40.

01:57:35.700 Yeah, 30, 40, for sure.

01:57:36.320 Like, most of my friends are between 30, 30, like, when we, like, like, a lot of us sat

01:57:39.820 down and wrote down every single name, the ones that they could remember, or, like, events,

01:57:43.040 time, and places, and they're all, yeah, the only ones, my only friends who have lower body

01:57:47.940 counts are the ones who never left their hometown.

01:57:51.160 Okay, got it.

01:57:52.680 And then I'll open this up to you guys, too, like, of your peer group of your friends or

01:57:57.780 women you know, like, would you, what would you say their body count is?

01:58:02.780 I mean, from, like, friends, I think I hear, like, a lot of, like, 7s, like, definitely

01:58:08.280 less than 10 for a lot of the people I know.

01:58:11.160 We don't really talk about it because, like, we don't care.

01:58:13.760 Sure.

01:58:14.320 We don't really talk about it.

01:58:16.220 For me, with my friends.

01:58:18.040 If you talk about it.

01:58:19.020 We do talk about it.

01:58:20.200 It's, like, less than 10.

01:58:22.740 Yeah.

01:58:23.400 Okay.

01:58:24.380 My friends and I talk about sex a lot, actually.

01:58:26.380 It's our favorite topic.

01:58:27.920 It's just fun to talk about it.

01:58:30.920 But, yeah.

01:58:31.580 You don't have to name names, but what would you say, like, the average range, if you

01:58:36.580 had to guess, of either your peer group or kind of women in your age range?

01:58:40.580 What would you say?

01:58:41.420 I see that it, like, varies a lot from where you're from, I think, and, like, just, yeah,

01:58:46.180 where you grew up.

01:58:47.080 Like, some people who are, like, near, like, party schools or something, they're probably

01:58:50.420 going to be higher just because they've been more exposed to, like, hookup culture.

01:58:53.880 Let's say people in Santa Barbara.

01:58:56.060 I love this stuff.

01:58:56.820 Like 10.

01:58:57.620 Okay.

01:58:58.060 Esther?

01:58:58.960 We don't really talk about that.

01:59:00.560 Okay.

01:59:00.880 Yukina?

01:59:01.460 I personally talk about it a lot.

01:59:05.360 Yeah.

01:59:06.020 Because, but, like, I talk to people who are not going to judge me.

01:59:11.260 You know, I can trust my friends.

01:59:13.980 And then, like, especially Japanese people are really judgmental, so I never talk about

01:59:20.540 it.

01:59:21.300 But, yeah.

01:59:21.960 So, here, yeah, I talk.

01:59:23.880 I can't say.

01:59:25.760 Okay.

01:59:26.620 So, I need to give my take on the whole body count thing because I need to come in here.

01:59:31.920 So, I do think body count matters.

01:59:33.880 I think it should matter.

01:59:34.880 I think it should matter.

01:59:35.720 And I can give you guys a couple reasons why.

01:59:38.820 So, and I do think it's different between men and women because I don't think that there's

01:59:45.680 a symmetry between what women want in men and what men want in women.

01:59:51.280 Or the preferences, boundaries, and standards that men have are different than the ones

01:59:56.340 women have.

01:59:56.980 So, I think a big thing for men, and I think this has really been the case throughout all

02:00:03.280 of human history, and I still think, even to this day, men value sexual purity in women.

02:00:09.780 Now, purity could mean virginity, but it could also just mean not being a hoe, not being the

02:00:16.380 town bicycle.

02:00:19.060 So, men, that is a big thing for men.

02:00:22.920 If there might be some men, you might have some guy friends who might say, I don't care

02:00:27.680 about that.

02:00:28.920 They might be lying.

02:00:31.420 And obviously, it depends.

02:00:32.880 Like, for a long-term relationship, for marriage, most men are not going to want to marry the

02:00:37.900 town bicycle.

02:00:39.240 They're not going to want to marry a woman who's, I mean, don't get me wrong.

02:00:44.000 There's plenty of simps out there that are going to accept you as you come, but most men

02:00:51.020 are going to have a very serious issue taking you seriously if you have a promiscuous past.

02:00:57.720 Yeah, that makes sense.

02:01:00.660 Does anybody want to come in?

02:01:04.040 I maybe saw a couple eyebrow raises.

02:01:07.940 What's the question exactly?

02:01:09.660 Well, I'm just giving you my take.

02:01:10.880 Oh.

02:01:11.300 Yeah.

02:01:11.500 If you have a response to it, you're welcome to come in because, well, because my position

02:01:17.640 sort of count is different than yours.

02:01:21.200 So, I don't know if you have a rebuttal or if you have an issue with anything I've just

02:01:25.660 said.

02:01:25.860 I can give you some more reasons.

02:01:28.300 Yeah, can you just keep going?

02:01:29.480 Yeah, sure.

02:01:29.880 I'll keep going.

02:01:30.920 So, I mean, there's a couple reasons why body count should matter.

02:01:33.460 However, it was already kind of brought up, there's the STD thing.

02:01:40.620 Someone who's more promiscuous is more likely to have an STD.

02:01:44.920 So, if you've slept with more people.

02:01:47.520 That's not true at all, actually.

02:01:49.800 If you've slept with more people, it's not true.

02:01:52.940 It's not always directly tied because some people who sleep around a lot use protection

02:01:56.820 every time, right?

02:01:58.220 People who sleep with their partners.

02:01:59.300 You can still get an STD.

02:02:00.640 Yeah, you totally can.

02:02:01.480 And yet, if you've only had one partner, you've only slept with one person, you can

02:02:05.640 still get an STD.

02:02:06.500 Maybe there's infidelity.

02:02:07.960 Maybe it was dormant or, you know, whatever.

02:02:09.720 Maybe.

02:02:10.020 So, sure.

02:02:10.440 But generally speaking, I would say the more sexual partners you've had, the likelihood

02:02:17.320 that you're going to get an STD or will have an STD is increased.

02:02:23.500 Yes, but there's so many factors that go into it that it's not just a direct correlation.

02:02:29.240 I mean, they've done studies on it.

02:02:32.040 I know.

02:02:32.340 They're doing more, too.

02:02:33.780 The higher your body count, the more partners you've had, the greater likelihood of getting

02:02:40.100 an STD.

02:02:40.820 But it's not always about getting an STD.

02:02:42.300 It's about, one, yeah, you can get an STD, but they might also just be more likely to

02:02:45.860 know they have an STD because they're getting more regularly checked.

02:02:48.340 Except for the girl who has a boyfriend.

02:02:50.340 They've been fucking for years and she goes two years without knowing she has chlamydia

02:02:53.160 because he cheated on her in the beginning of the relationship and she never thought to

02:02:56.280 get tested.

02:02:57.880 That's a possibility.

02:02:58.960 So, it's like...

02:02:59.500 It's a possibility.

02:03:00.840 But, I mean, if you had to compare the two, you're much...

02:03:05.300 I mean, if you're sleeping with three new people a week, the likelihood of you getting

02:03:10.900 an STD is going to be greater than if you're in a committed long-term relationship.

02:03:17.180 I think it can, but it also...

02:03:19.300 But, so I'm speaking in generalities.

02:03:21.340 I'm not saying that it's impossible, but the exception does not make the rule.

02:03:25.960 Yes.

02:03:26.360 So, yeah.

02:03:28.400 But just even, like, not even just based on numbers research, even based on the people

02:03:31.460 I know, I, strangely enough, I don't know, not going for men, can only talk to many men

02:03:36.700 about it, but, like, one of the women I know, the less promiscuous they are, the bigger run-ins

02:03:42.540 they've had with STDs.

02:03:43.780 So, that's the only reason why I'm saying that.

02:03:46.440 Like I said, I mean, the exceptions...

02:03:48.520 Yeah.

02:03:48.960 It can also just be from being out here and, for some reason, people in relationships get

02:03:54.420 tore up with STDs more often than people not, but I don't know.

02:03:58.120 Yeah.

02:03:58.500 I mean, and the other thing, too, is, I mean, yeah, you can say, well, I'll get STD tests,

02:04:02.860 but, I mean, most people, I'd say a vast majority of people are not getting full-panel STD tests.

02:04:10.620 Oh, like herpes and things like that?

02:04:12.580 Yeah, maybe, like, often if you ask to get STD tested, they're not testing for everything.

02:04:19.280 And then there's also some STDs that aren't going to show up until later on.

02:04:24.420 Down the road.

02:04:25.020 Or you're supposed to wait two to three weeks before or after your partner.

02:04:28.020 It's a problem a lot of people also don't do.

02:04:29.580 Yeah.

02:04:30.040 I mean, HIV, there's some other ones that can kind of show up much further down the road.

02:04:38.980 So, and also people are fucking without condoms.

02:04:41.480 Like, so there's all kinds of them.

02:04:44.700 So, there's the STD thing.

02:04:46.140 Also, it's just, if someone, okay, so for me personally, the thought of sleeping with a new girl

02:04:53.720 and she's sleeping with another guy, I find that disgusting.

02:04:59.480 Yeah.

02:05:00.420 I'm going to hook up with you and you fucked a guy the night before.

02:05:03.440 Like, that, to me, is just gross.

02:05:06.040 Reasonably so.

02:05:06.760 So, if someone is promiscuous, that's more likely to be the case.

02:05:13.260 Whereas if you have a low body count, you only have sex with one person at a time, then...

02:05:18.260 But you're forgetting the people that they're introduced to, though.

02:05:21.680 What do you mean?

02:05:23.020 So, like, say, yeah, it's nasty if you fucked this girl and the next day...

02:05:28.160 Or you, this girl got fucked yesterday and then you go fuck her tonight, right?

02:05:31.260 That's nasty.

02:05:32.840 But what if you, so instead you choose the girl who you're like, oh, no, this girl, like,

02:05:36.200 she must have a low body count.

02:05:37.360 Like, she's clean.

02:05:38.360 Like, da-da-da-da-da.

02:05:39.780 But then now, you could be the dirty one.

02:05:42.640 Sure, yeah, guys.

02:05:43.420 And all it takes is just one...

02:05:44.960 Yeah.

02:05:45.920 Dirty peen or dirty cooch.

02:05:47.680 And then...

02:05:49.680 Your whole apartment's affected.

02:05:50.640 I don't know.

02:05:51.200 But, like...

02:05:51.680 Like, it goes so quickly.

02:05:54.140 Like, people don't realize how quick...

02:05:56.540 You know, that's why it's both sides.

02:05:58.560 Yeah, I mean, and I want to make it clear, women can also have a...

02:06:02.920 Not want to date a guy who's promiscuous.

02:06:05.680 Maybe you guys know, like, kind of a naive girl who's maybe a bit inexperienced when it

02:06:10.020 comes to dating.

02:06:11.100 Like, you probably wouldn't want to set her up with the player guy.

02:06:14.880 The guy who's, like, probably just going to hook up with her once.

02:06:18.200 Like, you wouldn't want to set her up with that kind of guy.

02:06:19.840 So, you'd maybe want to set her up with a guy who he himself isn't a big player guy.

02:06:24.640 He's got lower body count himself.

02:06:28.200 So, I think it's perfectly reasonable for women to...

02:06:32.280 So, I don't want to make this seem like it's a double standard.

02:06:34.900 Because, I mean, there is...

02:06:35.840 There certainly is a double standard, and some of it is, I would say, to some degree justified.

02:06:40.740 But men are big-upped.

02:06:44.240 If they sleep with a lot of women, you're a stud.

02:06:47.740 Whereas if a woman sleeps with a lot of men, she's a slut.

02:06:50.500 So, there's a double standard there.

02:06:51.840 I think that there are reasons for why that is.

02:06:54.460 One of the reasons would be it's far easier for women to get laid than it is for men to get laid.

02:06:59.320 I think that's one of the big reasons.

02:07:01.340 It's not impressive for a woman.

02:07:03.660 Like, if a woman's like, I've slept with 100 men.

02:07:06.960 It's like, okay, that's easy.

02:07:08.620 Congrats.

02:07:09.760 Like, it's not hard for you to do that.

02:07:12.420 Any single girl here at this panel could walk outside this building right now and fuck a guy tonight if you were so inclined.

02:07:19.800 Either from a dating app, or you could probably just walk up to a dude on the street and say, hey, do you want to fuck?

02:07:26.060 And the guy's going to be like, okay, let's go.

02:07:29.320 Most guys are like, no guy can really pull that off.

02:07:32.640 So, it's more difficult for men to get laid.

02:07:36.460 You disagree?

02:07:38.120 Yeah, I guess.

02:07:41.320 Yes, it's more difficult for a man to get laid.

02:07:43.280 But especially being a bartender out here, like, I see women throw themselves.

02:07:46.020 Like, I literally, no offense to all of us, we're obviously not.

02:07:48.640 It's a stereotype.

02:07:49.780 But, like, Santa Barbara, I La Vista, it's, like, kind of a sea of a lot of easy women.

02:07:55.240 That's why when there is creep men out here, I'm like, bro, there's so many easy options out here.

02:07:58.760 Like, you really got to go creep on somebody who doesn't want you.

02:08:00.500 And I can look at five girls right now who, if you bought them one drink, would go home with you in an instant.

02:08:05.960 Like, they're, that's why their body counts are so high.

02:08:09.160 Because it's easy for them, too, and they just do it.

02:08:11.860 We don't.

02:08:12.480 Well, I would say women are kind of easy for very attractive men.

02:08:17.480 The top tier men.

02:08:19.420 I'm, what I'm saying.

02:08:20.440 I mean, it's different because I'm in a place of alcohol.

02:08:22.400 Right.

02:08:22.640 So, it does screw things a little bit.

02:08:24.320 Sure.

02:08:24.620 But, you don't have to, as long as you don't, I think the bigger thing about men is not even attractive level.

02:08:30.260 Is as long as you don't stink, look like a creep or a weirdo, and you're just, like, not a mess, then.

02:08:37.860 That's it.

02:08:38.480 That's all it takes.

02:08:40.120 There's a lot of easy girls out there, too.

02:08:42.880 Like, there's easy dudes, there's easy girls, and a lot of them meet on the weekends at the club I work at, and I watch her go down.

02:08:49.840 I'm not, I'm, yeah, I mean, I'm sure that there's a ton, there are tons of hookups going on, whether out here in Isla Vista at a party or downtown at the bars and clubs.

02:08:59.000 Because, of course, people are hooking up willy-nilly.

02:09:01.620 I mean, I'm not sure, though, how much you're paying attention, but it's, is it plausible that these people are, already know each other?

02:09:10.860 No.

02:09:11.940 Strangers.

02:09:12.540 Yeah.

02:09:12.760 Okay.

02:09:12.960 Like, I see, I see it blossom a lot of time.

02:09:15.880 But it's usually just because they're really drunk.

02:09:17.020 I think it's, alcohol is the main verdict half the time.

02:09:20.740 Sure.

02:09:20.880 But, no, yeah, like, these, yeah, it's not as hard for men as I realized, especially going downtown.

02:09:29.100 It's, it's pretty hard still for guys to get laid.

02:09:31.660 Maybe if you want to do it in a sensible way, like, in a respectable manner, sure.

02:09:35.340 But if you don't care, and you're just really trying to get laid, go up to any girl who's not a 10, get her two drinks.

02:09:42.520 Who's a 9?

02:09:45.260 I think we should just, like, stop saying, like, they're easy.

02:09:48.420 I think, like, it's just some people are more willing to have sex.

02:09:52.840 And also, like, well, it's just, like, it's really, like, not, like, oh, they're easy, they're a slut, they have, like, a high body count and stuff.

02:10:01.140 It's just, like, some people, like, when you get to a certain age, you, like, have just experienced, like, a lot of things, like, a lot of sex, whatever.

02:10:08.220 And so you're at the stage where it's easy, where it's, like, more simple, and you don't have to, like, think about it a lot.

02:10:14.320 And then, like, be able to go into sex.

02:10:16.260 I mean, like, at our age, I think it's kind of hard to say, like, yeah, like, every day I'd be open to sex because, I mean, there's a lot of factors playing into it.

02:10:24.220 Like, a lot of girls my age are still looking for, like, that, like, perfect, like, boy, like, that are going to, like, sweep them off their feet and, like, fall in love.

02:10:31.420 Like, that's still a thing.

02:10:32.660 And then there's some people who have, like, just been in the game for a while, and they're at the position where they feel mature enough to feel like they can have sex.

02:10:40.620 Like, yeah, but I think I get it because it's, like, the whole terminology thing, like, you know, slut-shaming, like, not trying to do that and stuff.

02:10:48.080 But, like, it just comes down to it is there's some people who are easier to sleep with, and there's some people that are harder.

02:10:53.680 Some people, you just need to give them a drink or you just need to say hello, hi.

02:10:56.900 And there's some people who you need to take them out on dates or you need to do that.

02:10:59.260 It's not, it's just because easy has a negative connotation to it.

02:11:02.300 But it's plain and simple, it's easier to fuck them than it is easier than maybe to fuck you, you know?

02:11:07.600 It's just what it is.

02:11:08.660 I agree with you.

02:11:09.340 There are some people, I mean, on the whole, using the word easy, there are some people where it's easier to have sex with them than someone else.

02:11:20.540 Some people are...

02:11:21.880 It doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

02:11:22.940 It's just, you know, you can help Sarah if you want a quick night or you can help...

02:11:27.420 Kiki.

02:11:28.140 Kiki if you need to take on a few dates.

02:11:29.620 Yeah, she got put a ring on her finger.

02:11:32.920 Yeah, those knees are...

02:11:33.960 She can't wreck them anymore.

02:11:34.900 Yeah, she...

02:11:35.580 Okay, she...

02:11:37.040 Yeah, but so, okay, so...

02:11:38.800 So, but you were saying that you see a lot of people hooking up at the bars, thus, what?

02:11:46.120 So, because what I was saying was it's very difficult for men to get laid, fairly difficult for men to get laid.

02:11:52.460 Relative to women.

02:11:56.920 It's, okay, it's a Tuesday night, it's 9.30.

02:11:59.380 Any single one of you could download Tinder tonight and fuck a guy tonight.

02:12:06.140 Most men are not going to be able to do that.

02:12:09.680 Most men are not going to be able...

02:12:11.180 Like, even really top-tier men are not going to be able to just get on Tinder.

02:12:15.940 Okay, I want a girl tonight.

02:12:17.060 It's not going to happen.

02:12:18.720 Now, if he's really attractive, he might be able to set it up the next day, in a couple days, whatever.

02:12:23.560 But it's not going to be as on-demand as it is for women.

02:12:26.960 At least in my experience.

02:12:28.740 Like...

02:12:29.140 Bro, okay, if I got to set up a date with a girl, maybe it's next week.

02:12:34.680 Okay, it's in a week.

02:12:35.920 And then it's probably not going to happen that night.

02:12:37.840 Maybe the second or third date.

02:12:39.200 I know a lot of you said the three-day rule, right?

02:12:41.220 It's going to be on the third date, so maybe two to three weeks down the line.

02:12:45.880 And then...

02:12:46.440 But, oh, okay, I set up the date.

02:12:48.120 And then there's a 50% chance she's going to flake an hour before.

02:12:51.560 Oh, I've got a headache.

02:12:53.460 Okay.

02:12:54.780 Something came up.

02:12:55.880 Okay.

02:12:56.700 So, like, for guys, it's much more difficult.

02:12:59.320 By the way, I wanted to let you guys know, I fully encourage you guys, if you disagree

02:13:10.340 with me, I'm not going to be offended if you disagree, if you want to debate me.

02:13:14.400 That's totally fine.

02:13:16.380 Did you want to come in on this?

02:13:19.020 Anyone else?

02:13:19.860 I feel like I'm talking a lot.

02:13:20.960 Alana is dying to respond.

02:13:22.940 No.

02:13:23.580 Okay.

02:13:23.800 I agree with what you're saying, but, like, it seems like guys have it easier where we

02:13:30.260 live.

02:13:31.100 You think guys have it easier in Isla Vista?

02:13:33.120 To get laid?

02:13:34.120 Yeah.

02:13:34.920 To get...

02:13:35.400 Guys have it easier to get laid?

02:13:36.920 Definitely.

02:13:38.040 Definitely.

02:13:39.360 The rest of the panel, do you guys agree that it's here in Santa Barbara, California,

02:13:44.600 it's easier for men to get laid?

02:13:47.120 Yeah.

02:13:47.340 I think so, too.

02:13:48.700 Like, it's easier, because we're in a college environment, and a lot of girls...

02:13:53.800 Girls also want to hook up with people, and boys have a higher chance with going and

02:14:00.320 getting laid.

02:14:01.580 All they really have to do is, like, have some confidence, do a little conversation.

02:14:06.060 Hold on.

02:14:06.420 Hold on.

02:14:06.860 Hold on.

02:14:06.900 Hold on.

02:14:07.200 You just said have...

02:14:08.140 Just...

02:14:08.540 It's easy.

02:14:09.120 Just have some confidence.

02:14:10.760 Like, just, like, you know, like...

02:14:12.080 That's convenient.

02:14:13.040 Just, like...

02:14:13.400 Just be confident.

02:14:14.260 No, no, no.

02:14:14.660 Not like that, but just, like, go talk to a girl.

02:14:18.000 Just have game.

02:14:18.860 Just be confident.

02:14:19.760 I think if you're, like...

02:14:20.960 If you just go talk to a girl and you're sweet, usually, like...

02:14:23.780 Like, I think that's how it works.

02:14:26.480 Like, especially in college, and there's, like, always alcohol and parties.

02:14:30.600 It wouldn't be that hard for, like, two people to start, like, getting laid.

02:14:40.580 So, okay.

02:14:41.380 The panel thinks that here in Santa Barbara...

02:14:44.780 Santa Barbara, the mystical land where men can get laid easier than women.

02:14:49.820 I don't want to say they're easier than most locations for them.

02:14:56.920 Yeah, yeah.

02:14:57.340 Like, I don't think it's too hard for them.

02:14:58.400 I don't...

02:14:58.760 Okay, so I don't disagree with you that Santa Barbara, it's easier to get laid than in Idaho.

02:15:06.660 Fucking Boise, Idaho.

02:15:08.140 Okay, fine.

02:15:08.480 Like, even from, like, L.A. to here.

02:15:10.320 Like, I would even say that it's easier for a man to get laid here than it is, like...

02:15:14.260 I don't know, man.

02:15:14.640 I know some girls in L.A.

02:15:15.760 Let me tell you.

02:15:16.620 Oh, I'm sure.

02:15:17.560 Maybe if you're a celebrity or a basketball player for, like, a regular Schmegular, though, in L.A.

02:15:22.760 Oh, for the average guy.

02:15:24.080 It would probably be easier for him here than...

02:15:26.980 Because I swear to God, like, my coworkers, I have a lot of male coworkers, I see them go home with different girls all night, almost nightly.

02:15:35.680 Your bartender coworkers?

02:15:37.000 But even...

02:15:37.560 It could be the bar back.

02:15:39.020 It could be the fours guy.

02:15:40.160 Okay?

02:15:40.540 Okay.

02:15:40.700 Like, these girls, like, there's so many girls, not every girl, obviously, but there's so many girls who, like, at the end of the night, they have drinks, and they want to hook up, too.

02:15:49.460 They just want a quick fuck, too.

02:15:50.660 And it's very common out here, because it is, I think, shamed a little bit less than it is in other areas.

02:15:57.260 Like, if I tell my girls, like, or if I tell, like, I'm gonna get a high five, you know?

02:16:02.100 If I was like, oh, yeah, I hooked up with someone last night.

02:16:03.560 At other places, you might be like, oh, like, do you know him?

02:16:05.820 Like, who was it?

02:16:06.560 Like, nobody really gives a fuck about that here.

02:16:08.340 Yeah, of course.

02:16:09.100 Like, definitely, there's a lot higher status men in, like, say, Los Angeles or Miami.

02:16:14.540 I've, you know, I've been to Miami before.

02:16:16.340 The girls, they want a fucking Dolphins player, a guy who makes 100K.

02:16:21.500 Like, they...

02:16:22.260 It's different, right?

02:16:23.380 But I do want to kind of stick to the question of, between men and women, who has it easier?

02:16:31.260 And you got...

02:16:31.800 A lot of you guys said even for that, right?

02:16:33.700 You thought it was easier for men to get women?

02:16:40.700 No.

02:16:41.460 I think it's easier for women.

02:16:43.040 Okay, you think it's easier for women?

02:16:44.160 Yeah.

02:16:44.420 Okay, fair enough.

02:16:46.140 You disagree?

02:16:47.200 Or...

02:16:47.440 Wait, no.

02:16:47.920 Oh, okay.

02:16:48.460 Got it.

02:16:48.960 So I want to...

02:16:49.580 And I need to kind of bring it back to the body count thing.

02:16:51.920 So I think I listed two things.

02:16:56.480 So if you have a high body count, if you're promiscuous, if you sleep with a lot of people,

02:17:07.740 if you engage in casual sex, you are rewiring your brain towards short-term pleasure-seeking.

02:17:14.480 So if you...

02:17:17.560 It's more exciting to just continually be sleeping with the next hot guy, next hot guy, next hot guy.

02:17:23.040 Relationships take a bit of work.

02:17:25.020 And, I mean, I personally, I think that sex...

02:17:28.900 The sex is better in a long-term relationship for a few reasons.

02:17:32.860 One, if you guys have that emotional connection.

02:17:35.360 If you're in love, I think the sex is going to be better.

02:17:38.580 Also, you guys just...

02:17:39.720 On a physical level, you guys just know what each other...

02:17:42.380 You guys have each other figured out.

02:17:44.180 Like, wired.

02:17:45.040 You guys...

02:17:45.780 The guy knows what the girl likes.

02:17:47.220 The girl knows what the guy likes.

02:17:48.600 Like, you've got it figured out.

02:17:49.620 You can...

02:17:50.540 You know, on a one-night stand, you're not going to bust out some super kinky shit, probably.

02:17:54.180 So you can definitely explore kinks in a long-term relationship.

02:17:59.000 I think it's more...

02:18:00.180 I think the sex is better in...

02:18:04.780 With one person, if you've been seeing them for a while in a long-term relationship.

02:18:09.040 But I think it's more exciting the first few times with a new partner.

02:18:14.180 So you're kind of rewiring your brain a bit in the same way that if you've been scrolling

02:18:20.700 on TikTok for three hours and then you try to sit down and read a book, that shit's going

02:18:26.140 to be hard.

02:18:26.720 Like, you're just...

02:18:28.100 You're wiring yourself to...

02:18:30.680 You're basically destroying your attention span, so to speak.

02:18:34.880 And...

02:18:35.400 Anyway, so...

02:18:38.680 Body count...

02:18:40.720 It makes...

02:18:43.420 Okay, if you have a high body count, it makes it more difficult for you to pair bond with

02:18:47.160 a partner.

02:18:47.940 So if you sleep with a lot of people, you're going to have a greater likelihood that you're

02:18:53.680 not going to be able to properly bond with a person.

02:18:57.980 If you've slept with 50 people, you're not going to be able to bond with number 51.

02:19:03.360 You're going to...

02:19:04.120 It's just...

02:19:04.680 It's not going to...

02:19:06.500 You've like almost destroyed your ability to pair bond.

02:19:10.580 And at 100, like, you're probably thoroughly screwed.

02:19:17.300 And I'm trying to think, what else?

02:19:19.400 Also, they've done studies on this.

02:19:21.440 Someone who's promiscuous, who has a high body count, is...

02:19:25.620 They're more likely to...

02:19:28.040 Infidelity.

02:19:29.200 There's a greater risk of infidelity if someone's promiscuous.

02:19:32.520 Greater likelihood that the relationship is going to break up.

02:19:36.140 Greater likelihood of divorce if you're married.

02:19:38.040 Greater...

02:19:39.040 Greater...

02:19:40.040 People who have more partners, they're more likely to report relationship or marriage

02:19:47.540 dissatisfaction.

02:19:49.360 So...

02:19:49.840 And they've done studies on this.

02:19:51.160 I think the CDC did a study on it.

02:19:52.980 So there's a whole bunch of studies on it.

02:19:55.220 So yeah.

02:19:59.500 Body count matters.

02:20:04.380 Anybody?

02:20:05.480 I think...

02:20:06.180 Go ahead.

02:20:06.420 Oh, I'm just going to say, yeah, that's absolutely true.

02:20:08.520 I feel like it's, like, instant pleasure.

02:20:10.280 If you know that you can get instant pleasure, like, from a hookup culture, like, it's going

02:20:13.800 to be harder for you to, like, slow down and, like, really connect with someone.

02:20:18.340 And plus, just, like, if both parties are just, like, willing to have sex, then, like,

02:20:22.800 you, like, can kind of, like, gaslight yourself into believing, like, that's, like, physical

02:20:27.760 can lead to, like, emotional, kind of.

02:20:30.960 So, yeah, I feel like it is, like, harder for people who have, like, just, like, been

02:20:35.860 into the hookup culture to, like, settle down.

02:20:38.460 Because it's just, like, you know, like, I've been doing this at work.

02:20:41.000 Like, why am I going to stop?

02:20:42.800 I mean, like, obviously, you're going to get bored eventually.

02:20:45.420 Like, when you, like, get older, I feel like, probably.

02:20:48.800 I don't know.

02:20:49.360 I'm not old yet.

02:20:50.700 So I don't know.

02:20:51.400 But, yeah, I agree with you.

02:20:54.600 Okay.

02:20:56.100 Esther, I think we're, are we?

02:20:58.260 I just have something to add.

02:20:59.740 Not that I disagree or anything.

02:21:00.880 Sure.

02:21:01.200 But basically, you're talking about dopamine.

02:21:03.620 So we get dopamine from TikTok.

02:21:05.220 We get dopamine from, you know, the quick, basically, quick satisfaction.

02:21:10.020 And that dopamine rush is kind of just going to get boring at some point for, I guess, I

02:21:15.580 figure.

02:21:16.520 But men and women are different.

02:21:18.660 For women release oxytocin and feel more attachment after sex.

02:21:24.220 Men don't feel that.

02:21:25.440 It kind of almost is the reverse for them.

02:21:28.260 So it depends on the gender as well.

02:21:30.600 But for a woman, I think, biologically speaking, it might be a bit overwhelming if you feel that

02:21:35.700 attachment towards a lot of, if you sleep with a lot of people or simply you just got

02:21:40.200 into the habit and, like, you can kind of almost consciously, oh, yeah, I'm attached,

02:21:44.240 but this is not, like, true.

02:21:45.900 This is just, like, what I'm feeling in the moment.

02:21:48.020 Right.

02:21:48.660 So, yeah.

02:21:49.080 Well, yeah, that's what I mean by pair bonding.

02:21:51.240 So if you're consistently just hooking up with a bunch of people, you are desensitizing

02:21:56.720 yourself to that.

02:21:57.820 And you're just not going to be able to properly pair with somebody.

02:22:04.140 Go ahead.

02:22:04.480 You want me to come in?

02:22:05.220 Sorry.

02:22:05.520 I'm going to turn my nose.

02:22:06.960 Well, that's why I said earlier when you first asked the question.

02:22:09.400 Like, it depends.

02:22:10.600 That's why I think, like, yeah, somebody with a body count of three probably shouldn't be

02:22:13.700 dating somebody with a body count of 200.

02:22:15.460 And, you know, vice versa.

02:22:16.920 You should probably stick in the same realm.

02:22:19.620 But also, like, when you mentioned the whole, like, infidelity, things like that, I think

02:22:23.080 that a big part of that is too many people trying to, like, stay into traditions and, like,

02:22:29.760 things like that when really they should be more of a polyamorous or, you know, not tied

02:22:34.600 down or a vibe like that, but they're trying to force themselves into, like, what's the

02:22:38.260 norm?

02:22:39.280 And then that just leads to more, because, like, yeah, some people are just more promiscuous

02:22:43.460 than others.

02:22:44.680 You want them to come in?

02:22:46.160 Oh, like, I was kind of, like, experienced because I was being hook-up culture.

02:22:53.300 And then after that, like, I was, like, what am I doing, you know?

02:22:57.740 Like, I was just, like, shame.

02:22:59.120 Not shame, but nothing with hook-up.

02:23:04.380 Like, there is only experience.

02:23:06.320 That's it.

02:23:07.180 And then there is nothing, like, there is no meaningful.

02:23:10.940 That's why I was, like, oh, I should change and then, like, I should have sex with a guy

02:23:16.360 who I, like, yeah, that's, like, I'm not going to say my body count, but, like, I have

02:23:22.260 experience before.

02:23:24.480 All right.

02:23:25.060 I'm going to do a couple super chats here.

02:23:26.260 We got Leo with the two euros.

02:23:28.760 Keep up the good work, Brian.

02:23:30.120 Hey, thank you, man.

02:23:30.780 Appreciate the support.

02:23:32.020 Got Ian Clasper.

02:23:33.300 Brian, say out loud that, okay.

02:23:36.980 I'm not going to repeat what he said.

02:23:38.840 It's not, I mean, he's always in the chat.

02:23:40.320 I'm not super impressed about it, but I kind of let, I let a lot slide in the chat, but I

02:23:46.960 do want you guys to try to, you know, try not to say anything too mean about the girls

02:23:51.600 and nothing, like, overly offensive because I don't want to get, I don't want the girls

02:23:56.640 to be reading that shit.

02:23:57.620 Like, it kind of sours the mood a little bit.

02:24:00.480 And then also, I don't want accusations levied against me because I'm not moderating chat.

02:24:07.780 So, I'm, as far as free speech goes, I'm pretty, you know, I let a lot slide.

02:24:12.940 We don't have much chat moderation, but, you know, guys, don't be, don't be overly toxic.

02:24:19.620 Okay.

02:24:19.980 Just a little toxic, a little toxic.

02:24:21.480 That's okay.

02:24:22.040 But, you know, don't, don't go, don't go crazy guys.

02:24:25.680 But yeah, so, okay.

02:24:28.300 So we were talking about it's easier, but it's okay.

02:24:30.720 You guys, you're saying it's easier for, for women.

02:24:37.540 Cause there was initial pushback, but now you guys are saying, and women have it kind

02:24:41.460 of easier, sort of, to get laid.

02:24:48.160 Okay.

02:24:48.700 So dating is easier for women or are we talking just getting laid?

02:24:58.040 Okay.

02:24:58.460 You really want to come in and go ahead.

02:24:59.600 We'll, we'll go out of order.

02:25:00.540 I think from like, from friends experiences and everything, I think it's easier for a

02:25:06.300 woman to get laid, but relationship wise, like you barely, like for guys, if they get

02:25:13.720 out of a relationship, they're in another one.

02:25:16.680 Like you won't see them single.

02:25:19.100 It's rare to see a guy that's not cuffed.

02:25:22.700 I don't know.

02:25:30.780 I think, well, I think men take breakups far harder than do women.

02:25:34.740 Men get fucking crushed by breakups, destroyed.

02:25:38.960 We're cool at first.

02:25:40.420 We're cool for like a week and then we're like, fuck.

02:25:43.660 Yeah.

02:25:44.140 Like a guy always like notice later, later.

02:25:47.480 They always like, after like, it's delayed.

02:25:50.600 Yeah.

02:25:50.900 It's a delayed despair.

02:25:52.240 It's delayed when they're bored and lonely and realize they couldn't get into another

02:25:55.600 relationship as fast as they wanted.

02:25:57.860 Also, it's just the way that like the two different genders process trauma and hurt because

02:26:03.180 for women, we oftentimes have a lot of emotional support around us from our friends and stuff.

02:26:08.660 But for guys, you don't see them going around to their boys and saying, oh, I just got dumped

02:26:12.560 by this girl, blah, blah, blah.

02:26:13.680 For them, like all they get mostly from their guy friends from the boys is just, oh, yeah,

02:26:18.520 whatever, just move on, like to go find some other girl.

02:26:20.740 But for girls, when you talk to our, like when we talk to our friends, we really do have

02:26:24.940 a lot of support and we have a lot of deep and thorough conversations about processing

02:26:29.680 that trauma.

02:26:30.760 And so that burden is kind of spread out a little bit.

02:26:32.900 Whereas for guys, it's not and they really handle it themselves and they want to look

02:26:36.280 up, like come off as cool and stuff.

02:26:37.980 So for like the first period of time, like no one knows about it, but then all of a sudden

02:26:42.460 it just blows up like that.

02:26:45.920 Okay.

02:26:46.340 So you, Esther, did you want to come in?

02:26:48.300 I just totally agree.

02:26:49.420 I think, and that's why men, if you think about it, there's research done, which is really

02:26:54.340 interesting, saying that men never really get over their breakups, which is really sad

02:26:58.220 because the way they've been conditioned to process their trauma is, well, not to process

02:27:03.200 it.

02:27:04.120 So, you know, oftentimes you will just hear from friends, like I'm like seeing this guy

02:27:09.540 and he's still talking about this girl or I have this guy friend and he's still talking

02:27:13.180 about that girl.

02:27:13.800 Yeah.

02:27:14.160 Well, because it takes so much time because they never had the chance to actually sit,

02:27:18.500 think, you know, cry through it.

02:27:19.940 And it's totally normal.

02:27:20.880 I think that's a healthier way to do it instead of then dumping it on another girl and then

02:27:25.540 kind of just like repeating that process all over again.

02:27:28.260 And I really don't know how far you can take it.

02:27:33.520 Word?

02:27:34.280 Word?

02:27:35.040 Cool.

02:27:35.760 Okay.

02:27:36.840 So I'm trying to think where we left off here.

02:27:41.340 Oh yeah, I wanted to pull up a video.

02:27:42.620 That's right.

02:27:43.020 Eric, if you can go ahead and pull up a video, we're going to react to a gentleman.

02:27:48.500 Oh.

02:27:48.900 We're going to react to a gentleman here.

02:27:51.440 Everyone's favorite fan or favorite man, sorry.

02:27:55.540 So we talked about body count.

02:27:57.080 We're going to hear Andrew Tate's take.

02:28:02.320 Go ahead and pull up the videos tab and we're going to watch the body count.

02:28:12.740 You know what's so attractive about younger women?

02:28:14.780 Because a lot of these dudes talk about fertility and looks and stuff.

02:28:18.220 I don't actually think it's that.

02:28:19.720 I think that in the modern world, in the days of old, right, you'd meet a woman, you'd get

02:28:23.740 married, you'd be together, whatever.

02:28:24.780 In the modern world, if I meet a girl who's 33 and single, I know the amount of dick that's

02:28:29.200 been through her before me is just simply unattractive.

02:28:32.140 I don't care how nice you are, but you're 33 years old.

02:28:35.260 How many men have fun?

02:28:36.300 If I get a 19-year-old girl, I might be her second or third man, right?

02:28:38.600 I'm going to be dude number fucking 29?

02:28:40.940 And all the trauma and heartbreak and bullshit they put you through, you're going to try and

02:28:44.820 bring to my door?

02:28:46.120 Like, well, if my last man cheated, I don't give a fuck.

02:28:48.800 Like, I don't care.

02:28:49.820 Like, why is that my problem?

02:28:50.920 So if you pick up older women, you have to accept they've been on the carousel longer.

02:28:54.760 They've had more fucking rides, more spins.

02:28:57.500 I don't want that shit.

02:28:58.720 And when I see a beautiful young woman, I know that she has a very low body count.

02:29:01.840 And also, no, but the truth is this, women's mentality is absolutely connected to sex.

02:29:08.060 If a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, it's harder to penetrate her mind and make her fall

02:29:11.820 in love with you.

02:29:11.840 It is unattractive, too.

02:29:12.940 And it's unattractive.

02:29:13.660 It is.

02:29:13.900 But if she's had 30 dudes inside of her, is she really going to think, you know what,

02:29:17.740 this guy's so, so, so special?

02:29:19.080 Or is she going to think, you know what, he talked to me real?

02:29:20.380 Let's go get a new guy.

02:29:21.220 Whereas if a woman's only been with a few guys, she's much more likely to fall in love with

02:29:23.740 you and be a better partner.

02:29:24.600 The likelihood of her falling completely in love with you and staying loyal to you and really

02:29:28.900 believing you're the only man for her after being through so much trauma

02:29:31.740 and so many men and sleeping with so many dudes and having her heart broken and having

02:29:35.220 those memories of her ex and all that crap she's been through is far less likely than

02:29:38.960 meeting a nice, young, beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men.

02:29:41.260 And she goes, you know what, this is the guy, I like him.

02:29:43.600 Every woman who knows this and every man who watches this can be honest.

02:29:45.780 Women fall in love with the person they lose their virginity to or the second or third

02:29:48.220 guy.

02:29:48.520 They really remember them.

02:29:49.360 They really love them.

02:29:50.220 Any woman who slept with 50 dudes, she doesn't even remember who most of them are.

02:29:52.460 She doesn't care.

02:29:53.220 If a woman slept with a bunch of men before you, she's less likely to stick it out through a

02:29:56.060 difficult period in a relationship.

02:29:57.040 She's more likely to just say, you know what, new answers, new did.

02:29:59.160 That's a pretty good answer.

02:29:59.940 And that's the truth.

02:30:00.960 Let me make something clear.

02:30:01.860 If I meet a beautiful 30-year-old woman, I'm not saying I won't sleep with her.

02:30:04.320 That's pretty fucking old.

02:30:05.480 Ugh, 30?

02:30:06.740 I know.

02:30:07.180 What are you, crazy?

02:30:08.880 There's been times I was drunk.

02:30:10.980 Okay, your reaction to the video?

02:30:14.980 I've seen this video multiple times.

02:30:17.420 It's just always so funny to me, like, how he blatantly says, like, yeah, like, he's just

02:30:22.120 admitting that one, either his dick is hella small or not good, or his, like, personality

02:30:27.620 and everything is so trashed that a woman who has encountered more than three men just

02:30:32.480 will not stay with him.

02:30:33.920 I mean, give yourself a better fighting shot, bud.

02:30:36.340 Like, you're just shitting on yourself, honestly, when you break it down.

02:30:40.380 What's with the penis thing?

02:30:42.000 Because he's saying, oh, a 19-year-old has only slept with three men, so, you know, she's

02:30:46.740 not going to want to leave me.

02:30:47.520 Like, what, you're scared of a woman that's seen more than three penises is going to look

02:30:50.240 at yours and be like, shit, I know there's better than that out there.

02:30:53.120 I got to get away.

02:30:54.500 If you were packing or something, I don't think you'd care how many she had.

02:30:57.300 So he's just showing how, like, you know, not only little dick energy, but, like, probably

02:31:02.180 actually, like, seriously a little dick in there.

02:31:04.800 It's a little crazy to me.

02:31:06.400 Just expose yourself.

02:31:06.900 I'll give my take at the end.

02:31:08.080 I'll just let everyone react.

02:31:09.360 Go ahead.

02:31:09.960 I mean, I don't think men or just, like, anyone should assume someone's body count based on

02:31:14.540 their age.

02:31:15.700 Like, it really depends.

02:31:17.180 Like, a 19-year-old can have, like, 50 bodies, while a 30-year-old can have, like, two.

02:31:21.720 Like, it really just depends.

02:31:22.880 And people shouldn't assume.

02:31:25.220 Everyone's different.

02:31:26.560 But how much will that 19-year-old with 50 bodies have by the time she's 30?

02:31:31.540 I mean, like I said, everyone's different.

02:31:33.740 Someone can have a higher body count by 30.

02:31:37.300 Others can just, like, keep it at, like, a steady number, I guess.

02:31:41.960 But, yeah, I just don't think people should assume body counts and all that.

02:31:46.640 Okay.

02:31:48.620 Actually, just really quick to address that.

02:31:50.240 Yeah, I mean, you're definitely right.

02:31:51.560 Like, a woman who's 19, she could have, he's obviously not living in Santa Barbara, could

02:31:58.100 have a 40-person body count.

02:31:59.960 And a woman who's in her 30s, she could have a handful.

02:32:03.840 So, I feel like it just depends on the person.

02:32:07.540 And, like, just because your body count is 30 doesn't mean that, like, she's not going

02:32:14.400 to commit to you.

02:32:15.740 Like, I don't think that it matters.

02:32:18.040 Especially for women.

02:32:19.140 Like, you were saying, like, it matters more.

02:32:21.980 I don't know.

02:32:22.600 I don't think it, you should say that they're not going to stay with you just because your

02:32:28.640 body count is 30.

02:32:32.460 Wait.

02:32:32.980 So, what was the bit about?

02:32:34.900 Because you were saying how, like, the body count does matter.

02:32:38.400 But I think in this case, it doesn't matter.

02:32:40.780 Can you tilt the microphone down towards you just a bit?

02:32:43.960 I feel like.

02:32:47.240 That's good.

02:32:48.280 I feel like in this sense, it doesn't matter.

02:32:53.980 Because, I don't know.

02:32:55.100 It just depends on the guy and the girl and if they like each other and if they're going

02:32:58.260 to stay together.

02:32:59.820 Okay.

02:33:00.140 Okay.

02:33:00.240 I'm just trying to remember what I said about how it's different for the men and the women,

02:33:08.440 but are we talking about the double standard?

02:33:11.900 Are you referencing the double standard, how men are viewed as studs if they sleep with

02:33:16.060 a lot of people and women are viewed as sluts?

02:33:19.640 When you were saying that, like, I don't really remember exactly what you were saying, but I

02:33:24.860 agreed with it and now I'm, like, taking it back a little bit because I'm, like,

02:33:30.240 just because her body count is 30 doesn't mean she's not going to be loyal to you.

02:33:35.240 Basically, because he was saying that she's not going to be.

02:33:40.500 But it depends if he likes her and she likes him.

02:33:45.580 Is it possible that a woman who slept with 100 men could be loyal to you?

02:33:51.680 I suppose.

02:33:53.560 But, like, you know, we all sort of look to the people we're potentially going to partner

02:33:59.860 with and we make judgment calls.

02:34:03.160 You know, we're not going to do a full, thorough background check and, you know, before, I mean,

02:34:08.140 I guess some people do, literally.

02:34:10.400 But so one of the ways that men make a judgment about women is were they promiscuous in the

02:34:17.680 past?

02:34:19.060 And we're going to infer certain things about them.

02:34:21.780 Is this going to go the distance?

02:34:25.100 Is infidelity likely?

02:34:27.660 So it's not certainly a woman who's had slept with 100 men.

02:34:32.000 Maybe she could be a fantastic partner.

02:34:33.700 Maybe.

02:34:34.640 But if I'm a betting man, I'm going to bet against it.

02:34:38.040 Yeah.

02:34:39.200 Did you want to continue or?

02:34:41.320 No, I agree with that.

02:34:42.420 It just depends.

02:34:43.060 I just think so much of this conversation is about, like, looking down at women for whatever

02:34:49.480 body count they have.

02:34:50.560 And whereas for guys, it's almost, it's just entirely the opposite.

02:34:54.540 Like, you don't see another figure like Andrew Tate going, like, a woman like Andrew Tate

02:34:59.140 going around talking about how high her body count is.

02:35:01.900 How high men's body count is?

02:35:03.340 How, like, her body count, how her own body count is.

02:35:06.400 Because Andrew Tate's going around talking about how many girls she slept with, how many

02:35:09.600 guys, how many girls she can get.

02:35:11.100 But you don't get that for the girls because it's like for guys, it's okay.

02:35:14.540 And it's good.

02:35:15.180 And it's like a flex.

02:35:15.980 But for girls, it's not.

02:35:16.960 So I don't know.

02:35:18.600 There's nothing we can do.

02:35:19.400 Right.

02:35:19.560 It seems like.

02:35:20.520 Okay.

02:35:21.120 I mean, I did, I did go around the table and ask a few of you omitted answering the body

02:35:25.640 count question.

02:35:26.260 So, yeah, for that reason, exactly.

02:35:30.520 Like, if it's too low, it's a problem.

02:35:31.960 If it's too high, it's also a problem.

02:35:33.860 Wait, if a woman's body count is too low, it's a problem.

02:35:36.980 Yeah.

02:35:37.680 Isn't that like a thing two guys would think that, oh, she doesn't know what she's doing.

02:35:40.860 I'm going to avoid.

02:35:42.720 No, guys want the lowest body count possible.

02:35:47.840 Yes.

02:35:48.300 The lower, the better.

02:35:49.940 I've definitely seen like TikToks where the guy would be like, oh, she has like lower body

02:35:54.100 count.

02:35:54.400 I wouldn't go there.

02:35:55.280 Yeah.

02:35:55.420 Yeah.

02:35:55.700 That guy's weird.

02:35:56.980 That's fucking weird for a guy to be like, no, no guy is going to be like, gee, I really

02:36:02.320 wish my girlfriend fucked more guys before me.

02:36:05.540 No, like no, guys are not like the lower.

02:36:08.920 If for even for a one night stand for most, for most men, they're going to be like virgin.

02:36:16.980 If they had the option, if she was down virgin versus the girl with 30 bodies.

02:36:21.840 Oh, okay.

02:36:23.120 But then realistically, usually like when the girl has like little to no experience,

02:36:26.980 guys would be like, oh, she's a prude.

02:36:28.380 She like virgin Mary, whatever.

02:36:30.460 It's always like, if it's too little, it's a problem.

02:36:32.560 If it's too high, it's also a problem.

02:36:33.820 There's no in between.

02:36:34.680 Even for just a hookup though, given the, given the option, assuming they're both equally

02:36:39.100 down, I can speak for myself.

02:36:42.120 I think a lot of guys would agree.

02:36:45.140 Give us the girl with one body or zero over the girl with 30.

02:36:49.220 Isn't that concerning to you that you guys think that way?

02:36:51.860 Like that's just so weird to me.

02:36:52.660 Why is it concerning?

02:36:54.280 Well, it's like for me personally, I would rather like, kind of like what they were saying

02:36:57.240 about the guys, like, yeah, like if I find out a dude's a virgin or like one body, I'm

02:37:02.480 like, I'm not going to probably want to waste my time teaching.

02:37:04.960 Because the sex is going to be bad potentially.

02:37:07.480 Yes, and I'm not even trying to take this to a weird place.

02:37:09.360 That's why I kind of regret even opening my mouth.

02:37:11.140 Take it, what, take it to a weird place?

02:37:13.400 Yes, but like, you don't, you don't see the, like, am I the only one that's like

02:37:17.380 having a connotation with that?

02:37:19.980 What?

02:37:20.840 The connotation?

02:37:21.360 Men want virginity, virgins, no dick inside of you.

02:37:26.620 What?

02:37:27.160 And then.

02:37:27.520 It's almost territorial, it sounds like.

02:37:30.240 Isn't that weird?

02:37:31.140 Like they don't want somebody else peeing on their tree.

02:37:33.940 What, what is the connotation?

02:37:36.280 You get what I'm saying?

02:37:36.920 Yeah.

02:37:37.460 Yeah.

02:37:38.140 What?

02:37:38.340 But we kind of talked about how we wouldn't go there.

02:37:41.300 So I'm like, not trying to go there.

02:37:42.920 Go where?

02:37:44.480 To some weird shit.

02:37:47.160 You know what I mean?

02:37:47.900 Just, just guys having a preference for their partner?

02:37:53.080 Guys having a preference for women to be as close to prepubescent as possible.

02:37:58.900 Well, okay.

02:37:59.920 That's why I wasn't trying to do that.

02:38:01.840 No, no, no, no, but okay, we're speaking within the context of adult women.

02:38:06.800 Yes, I know.

02:38:07.520 Women over the age of 18.

02:38:09.020 Oh, I'm not saying, I'm not saying child at all.

02:38:10.400 That's not what I'm saying.

02:38:11.420 Adult women, but the men who go for adult women are still trying to make them as prepubescent

02:38:18.620 as possible.

02:38:19.460 Like, you know, the whole hairless debate.

02:38:20.480 18, 19, 20, or 21-year-old adult woman can be a virgin.

02:38:24.440 I, that's not, you're not getting what I'm saying.

02:38:25.940 I'm saying those women, yes, they are grown women, but there's a lot of problem with men

02:38:30.440 trying to go for women as close to being a child as possible.

02:38:35.420 Do you get what I'm saying?

02:38:36.460 Okay, so you're talking like age gap relationships.

02:38:39.140 Not even, yes, but not even necessarily.

02:38:40.800 It could still be a 20-year-old and a 20-year-old, but that 20-year-old dude is going for a 20-year-old

02:38:44.960 girlfriend who, if we looked close, if you just look past her, she might look like

02:38:48.240 she's like 14.

02:38:49.380 You know what I mean?

02:38:50.240 Well, I don't think, I mean, if she's of age, if she's 18 or 19, I don't think we should,

02:38:54.740 some, some women have younger features, I guess.

02:38:58.280 That's not, I know, but I'm saying it's, it's sought after, like the whole virginity

02:39:01.340 thing, like never been touched by a man before, never had a penis inside of her, like I want

02:39:06.000 her completely hairless, no hair, nothing, never been touched by a man, you know what

02:39:09.840 I'm saying?

02:39:10.180 I kind of see, no, I see where you're, I see where you're going, I see where you're going,

02:39:16.380 but I mean, I, he, I, what I'm saying, what Andrew Tate is saying is adult women, right?

02:39:24.660 Yes, virginity or low body count is something that we value.

02:39:30.520 Yes.

02:39:30.860 Okay, you wanted to kind of, I think, yeah, I think there definitely are people like where

02:39:35.260 you're, the realm you're getting into and that's kind of like a different thing, but

02:39:38.120 I think like a lot of it has to do with like what you like get from someone who like isn't,

02:39:44.680 who's a virgin, it's kind of just like, it's like, like I don't, like a lot of people just

02:39:50.660 have insecurities and like when people like have lower body counts or something or like

02:39:55.380 higher body counts, you just like want to be like something to them, like you want to

02:39:58.960 be like important.

02:39:59.920 When people have like higher body counts, it's kind of like, like I, like what I see like

02:40:04.200 sometimes like people just like want to be like the best out of it, like I think there's

02:40:07.680 like territorial aspects too, I think there's a lot of aspects of just like people wanting

02:40:12.140 to like be something important, be something special.

02:40:16.700 I think like that's some, how guys, like I know there's some weird guys that are like

02:40:20.280 really fetishize like the thing if like you're a virgin because it's just like, oh, like I

02:40:24.280 got you for, it's like you're collecting like your Pokemons or whatever, like I got, like

02:40:28.060 I have these many virgins, whatever.

02:40:29.500 But I think like the same thing for girls, like, like if you get with a guy who's a virgin,

02:40:35.280 you're also a virgin, it's kind of like this special bond, like because like you guys are

02:40:39.100 like, you know, like figuring things out together, so it can kind of like go both ways.

02:40:43.560 Obviously, I don't think, like I think Andrew Tate is stupid, like pretty much like that's

02:40:47.040 all I'm going to say about that.

02:40:50.100 But like I, like I get what it, like what people are saying, like if a girl wants, you know,

02:40:55.720 if a girl's a virgin wants to be with a guy who's a virgin too, like, you know, like you,

02:41:00.280 like there's nothing to judge, like it makes sense, or it's like just like an emotional

02:41:03.260 aspect to it.

02:41:05.420 I want to add on, like isn't it problematic that we're basing people like and their worth

02:41:10.040 on how many other people they've slept with?

02:41:13.300 Like are you going to truly form a meaningful relationship if this is what you care about?

02:41:17.880 Like shouldn't you be focusing on like, oh, what this person values?

02:41:21.400 And okay, this might sound like cliche, but isn't it true?

02:41:24.220 Like are you truly going to like form, like and one night stand, okay, I understand, but

02:41:28.720 like if you're planning to, you know, take a serious relationship or get in one, like

02:41:33.680 if this is what you're concerned about, I don't really know if you're going to have something

02:41:38.520 deep to connect on.

02:41:40.600 Or if you're ready for a relationship at all, if that's what you care about.

02:41:44.800 So you're saying that someone who would be concerned about their partner's past sexual

02:41:51.120 exploits or promiscuity is not emotionally or mentally, like they're not in the right

02:42:01.620 mindset to have a relationship?

02:42:04.520 Because if they're...

02:42:05.620 What about highly religious people that they're waiting until marriage to get married, they

02:42:09.720 want to be their virgin, they want a partner that's a virgin.

02:42:12.160 So to them, being with a partner that has a low body count or who has no body count in

02:42:17.920 this case, that's a priority to them.

02:42:20.140 That's, is there an issue there?

02:42:22.920 I think you misinterpreted me for a little bit.

02:42:26.140 I think more of like the extent to which we're spending time on this conversation currently

02:42:30.740 and to way like the extent Andrew Tate talks about it.

02:42:33.480 And I understand like the topic of this, but I think if you care about it so much, like

02:42:38.900 that this is like such a priority, maybe take a step back.

02:42:42.860 I'm not saying it's totally not important.

02:42:44.600 I'm saying it's maybe not as valuable as we're making it out to be, of course, and to

02:42:50.180 some, this might be very valuable.

02:42:52.500 But, you know, just take it into consideration.

02:42:54.900 Well, I would say that I think for men, men care about body count more than women care

02:43:02.160 pounded, men are more interested in this than women are.

02:43:06.700 So I think most, a lot of women like probably don't care.

02:43:12.540 And it kind of comes back to, well, something we sort of touched on is that I think women

02:43:18.080 sort of value men who are a bit more experienced and a guy who's a bit more experienced, whether

02:43:22.100 that be in the bedroom or just relationship wise.

02:43:25.120 So the thing, the fact, the thing is, is that men and women are attracted to different

02:43:30.160 things.

02:43:30.520 We, men have different preferences than do women.

02:43:35.520 There, there are some where there's a, there's some preferences, standards, or boundaries

02:43:39.960 that both men and women share, but there are also asymmetries too.

02:43:46.980 Someone else wanted to come in?

02:43:48.060 Well, I just think like the biggest part of like what I find like is like Andrew Tate's

02:43:53.260 age for him to like, you know.

02:43:56.020 Yeah.

02:43:56.220 He's 35.

02:43:56.940 Yeah.

02:43:57.280 For him to like, just be like, you know, like saying like all this, like at 35, like it.

02:44:03.180 He's a top G though.

02:44:04.320 You probably.

02:44:04.940 He's a top G.

02:44:05.880 He's a top what?

02:44:06.620 Top G.

02:44:07.460 What?

02:44:09.140 Okay.

02:44:09.620 Continue.

02:44:10.120 Sorry.

02:44:10.240 Go ahead.

02:44:10.420 I'm just saying like, it's just like, you know, you're 35, you probably had sexual experiences.

02:44:15.520 Like, it's like kind of just stupid to like judge women at 35 for having a body count.

02:44:20.840 I feel like when we were young, like if you're like 16, like I think like we definitely go

02:44:25.240 into a lot of things like looking at how many people have been, like how many people that

02:44:29.780 person has been with.

02:44:30.760 It's just because we're young.

02:44:31.660 Like we don't like, we don't understand like the complexities of body count, sexuality,

02:44:37.180 sex in general.

02:44:38.180 But when you're like that, like when you're that age and like you can't like see it like

02:44:43.340 from like a unit, like a whole like general thing, it's kind of just like a little scary

02:44:48.900 because it's just like, you know, you've seen more than an 18 year old, but like you're like,

02:44:53.460 why are you like judging about a body count?

02:44:55.580 Like it's just so stupid.

02:44:56.560 Like there's like more things to judge like someone on their body count at that age.

02:45:01.660 Well, I think that's why he, in the very beginning of the video, he says, he talks about body

02:45:07.240 count too, but he also talks about wanting to date younger women.

02:45:12.260 So I think he's saying I would, if I had a choice, I'd rather date someone who was 19,

02:45:19.620 20, 21 versus a woman in closer to his age, like in his thirties.

02:45:24.840 I don't think a lot of guys can pull that off, but I think for Andrew Tate, who's incredibly

02:45:30.120 wealthy, I think he's, uh, he's tall.

02:45:34.660 He's an ex kickboxing world champion.

02:45:37.420 He's incredibly famous now.

02:45:39.580 What's that?

02:45:40.080 I thought he was pit bull at first.

02:45:41.440 Pit bull.

02:45:41.980 And I had to like really pay attention.

02:45:43.620 I was like, oh.

02:45:44.400 Ah, yeah.

02:45:45.440 Would any of you date Andrew Tate?

02:45:47.320 No.

02:45:48.700 No.

02:45:49.380 He's not babe status to anybody?

02:45:51.120 You keynote?

02:45:51.780 No.

02:45:52.580 No.

02:45:52.780 Okay.

02:45:54.480 Sorry, Andrew Tate.

02:45:55.900 Um, RIP.

02:45:57.320 Well, so, okay.

02:45:57.860 So to bring it back to body count.

02:45:59.580 So, uh, I don't think, did we, we were going around the table on this and then I think I

02:46:06.100 jumped in somewhere.

02:46:09.380 Did I start with you?

02:46:10.640 I'm trying to remember.

02:46:11.260 Did everyone get to give their reaction to the video?

02:46:14.900 Because I don't think everyone did.

02:46:16.100 I think we're on mute.

02:46:17.380 Yeah.

02:46:19.380 Okay.

02:46:21.220 Oh, wait, no, I didn't go on the video.

02:46:23.200 Yeah, your reaction to the video.

02:46:24.260 So for the video, I think Andrew Tate just saying how somebody wouldn't be loyal to him

02:46:31.100 just because they have a high body count.

02:46:34.600 But what if, the thing is, what if he, he, I, what if he has a high body count?

02:46:40.460 He for sure has a high body count.

02:46:42.140 Yeah.

02:46:42.280 So he does, he, it is a double standard for him.

02:46:45.080 Yeah.

02:46:45.760 But like, but the other person that he's interested in doesn't care that he has a high body count

02:46:50.760 because they both have high body counts.

02:46:52.880 But he's just very like, it's, it's just the double standard.

02:46:56.440 Like.

02:46:56.860 It is a double standard.

02:46:57.960 That he's setting.

02:46:58.300 But is it a justified double standard?

02:47:00.400 No, I don't think so.

02:47:01.620 Because it would, I'm not saying it's justified, but if somebody has like a really low body count

02:47:09.060 and they're talking to somebody who has like a hundred plus body counts, like let's say

02:47:13.480 that person has under 10, they want somebody that has like the same amount as them, but

02:47:17.520 they're not going to like, you know, full on judge them off of them having that many

02:47:21.960 body counts.

02:47:23.500 And he's just full on judging them.

02:47:25.940 And even though he is also in the same standard.

02:47:30.500 Okay.

02:47:30.940 Yeah.

02:47:31.480 And you wanted to come in?

02:47:32.520 Yeah.

02:47:32.700 I think you can just like get a lot, like there's like definitely a lot of projected

02:47:36.160 insecurities when like your big issue is someone's body count.

02:47:39.780 Like it's kind of like, like why, like why is it so important?

02:47:43.060 Which was, I was already talking about.

02:47:44.860 I mean, like if you really like someone and their body count is high, like, like there's

02:47:50.680 always like the discussion of just like, you know, like who have you been with and stuff

02:47:53.980 and like, and you'll kind of get like a feel of like why it is.

02:47:56.540 Like some people are just like better with like having sex like natural and it's not like

02:47:59.900 they don't get like a lot of like emotional repercussions.

02:48:02.280 You know what I mean?

02:48:02.980 Like I've definitely like had those conversations.

02:48:06.320 It's just like, oh, like, you know, like what were you doing?

02:48:09.300 Blah, blah, blah.

02:48:09.860 It's not like me like genuinely judging.

02:48:11.740 But I feel like from him, his like own, his like main focus is your body count.

02:48:15.940 And like, that's definitely like a projected insecurity because it's just like maybe he's

02:48:20.080 like not, he can't like lay it down good.

02:48:22.860 And so he's like scared.

02:48:23.600 He's going to be like, like compared to all these people you've been with, like, of course

02:48:26.860 like he might be looking at just like he wants like a pure girl, but it's like he's not a

02:48:30.360 pure man.

02:48:31.520 So it's just like, why are you saying something?

02:48:33.220 And like, don't expect me to say something.

02:48:36.340 Well, I think it all, it just sort of comes back to there's asymmetries in what men and women

02:48:43.080 find attractive.

02:48:43.840 So it happens.

02:48:46.300 And by the way, he does focus on the body count.

02:48:50.340 Oh, Jesus.

02:48:51.280 Okay.

02:48:51.520 He does.

02:48:51.980 We'll get to that one later.

02:48:53.200 He does.

02:48:54.280 I don't know.

02:48:54.980 Actually, no.

02:48:55.600 Sorry, man.

02:48:56.220 $10 and up.

02:48:56.980 Sorry.

02:48:59.540 We what's it called?

02:49:01.820 So, okay.

02:49:02.480 He, he does care about body count, but you probably don't want to hear the other shit

02:49:07.520 he has to say.

02:49:08.420 He's got a lot of other preferences and standards for women.

02:49:16.800 So, and to touch on what Esther was saying.

02:49:20.740 So you're saying how, why is it such a, like a big focus?

02:49:25.720 If this is such a big focus for you, then like, shouldn't there be other things that

02:49:29.700 are really important?

02:49:30.260 But for men, like a lot of men and a lot of men are not going to, even if you ask your

02:49:34.320 guy friends, you can ask them after the show.

02:49:36.400 A lot of men are not going to be able to be honest with you about these sorts of things

02:49:40.500 because like most men, if they were to be a hundred percent honest with their preferences,

02:49:45.520 standards, or boundaries, it's going to be met with some sort of contempt or shaming

02:49:50.640 language, or you're going to be viewed as either insecure or small dick.

02:49:55.820 You got a small dick or yeah, you're insecure.

02:49:58.960 You're a misogynist or an incel, whatever it may be.

02:50:00.820 It's always going to be met with some sort of derision, disdain, or some sort of contempt.

02:50:05.460 So, men are not able in today's day and age to be honest about their preferences, standards,

02:50:11.720 and boundaries.

02:50:14.620 Ward, you disagree?

02:50:16.620 They can't be honest about their standards?

02:50:19.220 Mm-hmm.

02:50:19.680 No.

02:50:20.160 They can't be honest.

02:50:21.340 Unless their standards are something that's illegal, then I don't see who's judging them

02:50:26.680 for what they want.

02:50:29.120 A lot of...

02:50:29.640 If most men were to be upfront about like what they want, it's going to like,

02:50:35.460 a lot of girls are going to be like, not going to want to fuck with him.

02:50:38.960 So, most guys are not going to like say...

02:50:40.980 What are they wanting up front?

02:50:42.240 That's un-fuckable.

02:50:42.560 Like, okay, let me give you...

02:50:43.460 I can give you guys an example, right?

02:50:45.480 So, for me and for a lot of men, we really don't care about a woman's career.

02:50:51.140 It is not important to us.

02:50:53.440 Okay.

02:50:53.920 For a lot of men.

02:50:54.880 If you tell a girl that...

02:50:56.280 If you were to tell a girl that, I think a lot of girls are going to have an issue.

02:51:00.060 If you told me you don't care what my career is?

02:51:02.160 Yes.

02:51:02.780 You'd probably be like, fuck you.

02:51:04.000 I'm like, thank you for...

02:51:05.380 Oh, like if I'm talking about my career and you straight up say you don't care what I'm

02:51:07.920 talking about.

02:51:08.140 No, no, no.

02:51:08.600 But if a guy says, listen, it's great that you make your own money, but I really...

02:51:12.760 It's not important to me what your career is.

02:51:15.780 Men don't value...

02:51:18.540 Really...

02:51:19.500 Most men really don't care that much.

02:51:21.860 A guy who's a lawyer who's making $250,000 a year, he's a litigation attorney, he'll date

02:51:28.040 a barista.

02:51:28.920 He does not care about that.

02:51:30.340 Oh, yeah.

02:51:31.520 Why would...

02:51:32.000 That's good for me.

02:51:34.120 But I'd say so...

02:51:35.260 But what I'd say is to that is that most women who are very successful, have a good career,

02:51:41.380 you're going to want to date a guy who's on your level or higher.

02:51:45.180 You're not going to...

02:51:45.720 If you're a litigation attorney...

02:51:47.600 Yeah.

02:51:47.980 ...as a woman, you're going to be looking, okay, I want to date a doctor.

02:51:50.620 I want to date someone who's making as much money as you or has some high-value career,

02:51:57.120 you're not going to go date the 19-year-old barista at Starbucks.

02:52:02.620 Mm-hmm.

02:52:03.300 True enough.

02:52:03.800 As a woman.

02:52:04.480 So what's the point, though?

02:52:07.060 I don't get it.

02:52:07.520 My point is that there's asymmetries in what men and women find attractive.

02:52:11.180 Yeah.

02:52:11.280 And I think that if guys were to say, oh, well, that's great that you're a marketing director

02:52:15.940 at whatever company, like, it doesn't make you as a woman more attractive is what I'm

02:52:24.120 saying.

02:52:24.800 Yes.

02:52:25.040 I think a lot of women would be like, well, I would...

02:52:28.440 Because you're kind of...

02:52:29.760 I think what a lot of women do is they look at the male metric of attraction.

02:52:33.980 What are traits or things that I would find attractive in a partner?

02:52:37.640 Okay, ambitious, successful, high-earner, et cetera, et cetera.

02:52:41.000 Maybe...

02:52:41.360 I mean, I know a lot of you guys are in college, so you're probably not hyper-focused at this

02:52:45.040 point on the guy's career.

02:52:48.740 But I think as you start to get a bit older, you're going to start looking at, is this person

02:52:52.360 going to be able to provide for me?

02:52:54.820 So finances do become a bit more of a factor as you get a bit older.

02:52:59.080 This is a fairly young panel, so it might not be making...

02:53:04.340 I might not be totally making sense at this point, but...

02:53:06.820 Yeah, that makes sense, especially like the first date thing.

02:53:08.880 Yeah, go ahead.

02:53:09.660 Are you saying that men don't really value ambition and drive, then?

02:53:12.360 Then what do they want, then?

02:53:13.320 It's...

02:53:15.160 We value positive characteristics in women, but I would say that a woman who's ambitious,

02:53:21.900 that's so low on the totem pole.

02:53:25.820 So it's...

02:53:27.320 Really, men don't care about women's ambition.

02:53:30.860 Now, if you're coming to us and you have $200,000 in debt and you're a bum, like, you should

02:53:36.440 be doing enough, I think, to be able to...

02:53:39.940 Take care of yourself.

02:53:40.660 Take care of yourself.

02:53:42.160 If you're in, like, dire financial situation, that's not a great look.

02:53:46.000 But, like, whether you're making $40,000 a year or you're a hyper-successful, you know,

02:53:54.840 whatever it is, you're doing $250,000 a year, or you have your own business, you're making

02:53:58.880 seven figures a year, most men are not really going to look at that and be like, whoa, that's

02:54:03.620 really attractive.

02:54:05.880 So, yeah, I don't think men are particularly...

02:54:10.380 Like, also, I would say the other thing is, is, like, I would say most men don't care if...

02:54:15.160 You hear a lot of women say, I want a guy who's funny.

02:54:18.260 Men don't give a fuck if you're funny.

02:54:21.060 If you're funny, great, good for you.

02:54:22.980 But we don't care.

02:54:24.340 So what do you guys care about?

02:54:26.100 What do men care about?

02:54:27.320 Yeah.

02:54:27.940 I can get into that if you guys want.

02:54:30.340 Yeah.

02:54:31.240 We've talked a little bit.

02:54:32.440 One of the big things is body count.

02:54:35.320 But, so I could give you...

02:54:36.800 I have a list written down if you guys want to.

02:54:38.880 Oh, this is perfect.

02:54:40.020 Yeah, that's perfect.

02:54:40.760 This is so...

02:54:41.760 But before I tell you the list, I'd like to just go around the table really quick.

02:54:48.000 Is there a preference, standard, or boundary that you guys think men have that you take

02:54:52.600 issue with?

02:54:53.920 Like, what do you mean?

02:54:54.560 Can you clarify a bit?

02:54:55.960 Is there a...

02:54:57.320 Say a guy has a preference for something.

02:54:59.460 It could be a physical trait, or it could be a personality trait, characteristic.

02:55:03.740 For example, the body count thing could be one of them.

02:55:05.900 I would take an issue...

02:55:06.760 You would say, oh, I have an issue with a guy who has a high body count.

02:55:09.580 Or, sorry.

02:55:10.120 I would have an issue with a guy who has an issue with a woman who has a high body count.

02:55:14.620 Or, you could say, you could have an issue with a guy who, there's a certain physical thing.

02:55:20.140 I'm trying to think, like...

02:55:21.380 Small dick?

02:55:23.540 No, no, no.

02:55:24.160 Like, men's preference...

02:55:27.420 Is there a preference, standard, or boundary that men have for women that you think is problematic

02:55:33.520 or you take an issue with?

02:55:34.660 I know body count's probably an obvious one for some of you, but...

02:55:38.040 I kind of have an idea.

02:55:43.360 I think when guys only want to date girls that are, like, much younger than them, because

02:55:47.120 it has to do with, you know, control and dominance when the girl, clearly, like, when they're

02:55:51.220 much younger, don't really know what's going on yet.

02:55:53.560 They're too young to be...

02:55:54.800 They're too young, so they're being manipulated.

02:55:56.420 So, older men who want to date younger women?

02:55:59.440 Yeah.

02:56:00.060 Okay.

02:56:00.700 Because what are you trying to achieve from that?

02:56:02.320 Like, you're trying to manipulate and control them.

02:56:04.120 Well, I mean, heaven forbid a man find a woman who's at her peak physical attractiveness

02:56:07.700 attractive.

02:56:11.020 But why is that her peak attractiveness?

02:56:13.400 That should be aging with you, should it not?

02:56:15.940 Well, so, I mean, and they've done studies on this, but overwhelmingly, men find women

02:56:22.260 between the ages of 18 and 25 the most attractive.

02:56:26.040 This is men from the age of 18 to 60.

02:56:30.340 Did they do for women, too, for men's age?

02:56:32.500 They did.

02:56:33.060 We actually...

02:56:33.800 I'm surprised.

02:56:34.520 I'll be really shocked if it's under 30.

02:56:36.400 For women?

02:56:37.300 Mm-hmm.

02:56:37.560 Or...

02:56:38.400 For women, it kind of, like, matches up closer to their age.

02:56:42.200 But men, as far as what they find physically attractive...

02:56:45.940 It's 18 to 25.

02:56:49.140 So...

02:56:49.620 That's not how that helps.

02:56:50.920 I mean, and Tate also gave another reason.

02:56:53.020 Body count.

02:56:53.600 Someone who's younger.

02:56:54.500 Yeah.

02:56:55.820 They've been...

02:56:56.440 Someone who's younger also, it's...

02:56:59.540 There's a couple reasons.

02:57:00.820 One of them's actually rooted in biology.

02:57:03.060 So, when women reach 35 years old, they're starting to get into high-risk pregnancy age range.

02:57:10.340 And then, by the time they're, like, getting into their 40s, 45, the likelihood that a woman can get pregnant is very minuscule or just nonexistent.

02:57:18.680 So, biologically evolutionary, men are in...

02:57:22.100 It's not even something we intellectualize.

02:57:24.220 We are attracted to women who are younger because women who are younger, who have indicators of youth, they are more fertile.

02:57:32.640 So, it's...

02:57:34.260 In the same way that women are attracted to tall men or physically large men, it's evolutionary.

02:57:41.040 It's because men who are tall or physically large are more capable of protecting you and more capable of providing for you.

02:57:47.840 And this goes back to our fucking caveman days, you know, where you wanted a big partner who was physically large because someone who's physically large is more capable of protecting you.

02:57:58.620 I think that's about women that aren't able to take care of themselves.

02:58:01.800 I think now, like, times are obviously different.

02:58:03.980 Women are, you know, we're not able to take care of ourselves.

02:58:06.940 So, I don't think that's, like, the case anymore.

02:58:09.300 Yeah.

02:58:09.600 Well, I think...

02:58:10.520 I mean, we could go around the panel on this.

02:58:13.180 I mean, do you guys...

02:58:14.640 Any of you...

02:58:15.220 Would any of you date a man who's shorter than you?

02:58:18.420 Be honest, please, though.

02:58:19.740 Same height.

02:58:20.820 Or taller?

02:58:22.840 Yeah, because I already wore, like, four-inch platforms every day.

02:58:25.820 How tall are you?

02:58:26.540 I'm, like, 5'7", without my platforms.

02:58:29.460 Okay, how tall was your last boyfriend?

02:58:31.080 5'7 and a half.

02:58:32.420 Oh, okay.

02:58:32.860 All right, fair enough.

02:58:35.280 Ideally, would you like to date a guy who's taller than you?

02:58:37.820 Ideally, but, like, if the connection is just, like, through the roof, then I think it shouldn't matter.

02:58:43.020 How tall are you?

02:58:43.840 I'm 5'4", so it's not...

02:58:45.100 So, 5'3", guy?

02:58:46.640 You're giving them a chance?

02:58:47.600 Great connection, but...

02:58:49.480 If it's, like, really gray.

02:58:51.800 I feel like it could be rare.

02:58:53.880 I don't know.

02:58:54.440 Fair enough.

02:58:54.840 I want them to be taller, yeah.

02:58:57.760 Okay.

02:58:58.700 Taller as well.

02:59:00.460 Taller as well.

02:59:01.460 Sure.

02:59:02.080 Taller for sure.

02:59:03.580 Esther?

02:59:04.120 Taller.

02:59:05.000 Okay.

02:59:05.880 Taller.

02:59:06.760 Right.

02:59:07.060 Definitely.

02:59:08.280 See, but I don't think anybody bats an eye when women say, I want a guy who's my height

02:59:12.920 or taller, right?

02:59:15.400 I don't think there's anything morally wrong with that, but, like, if, like, a guy that's,

02:59:20.080 like, 70 or 60 is wanting to date, like, a girl that's barely 21, I think there's something

02:59:23.500 wrong with that.

02:59:23.680 A guy who's how old?

02:59:24.280 70 or 60?

02:59:25.020 60, yeah.

02:59:25.860 Or something like that.

02:59:26.700 And then the girl's, like, barely 21.

02:59:29.260 Obviously, there's something wrong with that.

02:59:31.960 I mean, for that specific example, couldn't you make the argument that it's actually more

02:59:37.880 predatory for the woman to want to date someone that old, for financial reasons?

02:59:44.580 For a woman to want to date, willing to date someone that old, I mean, love works in mysterious

02:59:51.840 ways, but I would say overwhelmingly, that's, there's going to be a financial component to

02:59:55.600 that sort of relationship.

03:00:00.300 Huh?

03:00:01.260 What's that?

03:00:03.480 Go ahead.

03:00:04.060 No, no, no.

03:00:04.460 Say it.

03:00:04.680 I mean, that's, like, the, that's arguing against a woman gaining a financial gain or

03:00:09.960 a man being a possible pedophile.

03:00:11.500 So, I feel like those are just two very different things.

03:00:13.080 Well, okay, but, I, I, like, P word.

03:00:16.560 A 70-year-old man dating an 18-year-old is not a pedophile.

03:00:20.280 That is definitely brinking on the fact that he probably did some questionable things in

03:00:24.640 his youth, yes, if he's still attracted to a woman that young when he's progressed that

03:00:28.560 much.

03:00:29.300 What about a 21-year-old?

03:00:30.740 I say the same, yes.

03:00:31.640 So, 70-year-old who's, I mean, but again, here's the thing, is that, I mean, I'm

03:00:34.660 that men are attract, men are evolutionary.

03:00:38.180 It's not even something that we can necessarily control.

03:00:41.480 What men find, the age range men find most physically attractive is 18 to 25.

03:00:47.340 Now, whether a man can actually get a woman who's in that age range if he's older, that's

03:00:53.300 another question.

03:00:53.920 But, if it was, I'd say if it was up to most men, most men do find that age range the most

03:01:01.560 physically attractive.

03:01:02.800 I think finding it attractive is fine, but, like, pursuing it is the problem, because

03:01:06.420 men are, like, we're not animals anymore, so.

03:01:08.720 We're not animals.

03:01:09.540 It's, like, I'm only 22, and I can look at a kid who's 16 90% of the time, and I'm, like,

03:01:14.620 damn, they look like they're 12 or something, like, crazy already.

03:01:17.380 So, it's, like, if an 80-year-old...

03:01:18.420 Okay, but you said 16.

03:01:18.900 You said 16.

03:01:19.300 I know, because I'm only 22.

03:01:20.680 I know, because I'm only 22.

03:01:21.580 So, even, like, an 18-year-old, for instance.

03:01:22.980 Okay, let's make it legal.

03:01:23.800 18-year-old.

03:01:24.780 I can see majority 18-year-olds.

03:01:26.460 Like, even when I walked into this room and saw all these girls, I was, like, holy shit,

03:01:29.180 I'm hella old compared to these girls here.

03:01:31.200 Or an 18-year-old man.

03:01:32.580 So, it's the older you get, the more child-liking, the younger somebody is, gets.

03:01:37.320 So, it's, like, that's why it is creepy to me, because if you were 80 years old, still

03:01:41.160 attracted to a 20-year-old, you were probably 20 years old, attracted to someone under the

03:01:45.940 age of 18 and higher up, is my point.

03:01:48.540 Sure.

03:01:49.400 I mean, the 70 to 21-year-old example, I mean, that's pretty rare, but, like, so, would you

03:01:56.700 take...

03:01:57.180 Also, I want to ask this.

03:01:58.760 Would you...

03:01:59.260 Do you take issue with the reverse?

03:02:00.820 So, cougars.

03:02:01.860 Yes.

03:02:02.580 You take issue with cougars.

03:02:03.780 It's the same amount of...

03:02:04.840 It's still predatory, no matter the gender.

03:02:06.500 Well, I don't...

03:02:07.700 I disagree with you that it's predatory.

03:02:11.380 I don't see how it's predatory.

03:02:16.060 That's fine.

03:02:18.900 Before I let you come in, Eric, can you pull up, if you can pull up the...

03:02:22.940 It might be tough for you to pull up the folders in the Dropbox.

03:02:27.000 I want you to pull up the two age range things in the other tab, if you can.

03:02:30.860 If you can drag it over to...

03:02:33.120 Keep that the same size.

03:02:35.520 No, no, no, no, no.

03:02:36.740 Oh, yeah.

03:02:37.100 Just drag that over to the other screen.

03:02:38.440 There you go.

03:02:38.760 If you can move it back.

03:02:40.020 Sorry, guys.

03:02:40.460 We're just pulling up.

03:02:41.660 Because I want to show you guys, this was a study that was done that sort of shows the

03:02:46.260 age range attractiveness breakdown that I mentioned before.

03:02:50.640 But, okay.

03:02:50.980 Go ahead.

03:02:51.280 You wanted to come in?

03:02:51.900 I was just saying about the cougar thing or predatory nature.

03:02:56.960 I think they just have to focus on the fact that what are the repercussions for these young

03:03:01.140 boys and young girls who are being sought about, these older people who've had a lot

03:03:05.680 more experience.

03:03:07.040 It's definitely going to change the way they see dating and hooking up.

03:03:10.560 Like, they're going to not want to, like, have, like, these high body counts or something.

03:03:15.160 Or they're not going to want to get with people who, like, are their age maybe because, like,

03:03:19.200 they don't see that they're attractive.

03:03:22.280 So, yeah.

03:03:22.940 I think, like, of course, it doesn't matter if you're, like, a girl or a boy.

03:03:26.600 If you're being preyed on, there's going to be, like, you know, like, emotional repercussions.

03:03:30.920 And it's going to change, like, just the way, like, dating and hooking up is.

03:03:35.280 I mean, I don't think, it's not, I wouldn't consider it being preyed on because both men

03:03:40.080 and women have agency.

03:03:42.620 So, if, I feel like you're taking away agency from young people.

03:03:48.120 Someone who's 21, they're, they can date someone who's 31.

03:03:56.780 Both men and women.

03:03:57.940 Like, they're adults.

03:04:02.760 They can, okay.

03:04:03.460 At 18, you can join the military and go die.

03:04:07.080 You can buy a firearm.

03:04:08.660 You can buy cigarettes.

03:04:09.660 At 21, you can buy alcohol.

03:04:11.180 You can rent a car.

03:04:11.880 Well, rent a car, I think that's 25.

03:04:14.340 Anyways, that's a minor one.

03:04:15.880 At 18, you can sign the legally binding contract.

03:04:18.540 You can take on hundreds of thousands of dollars of student debt.

03:04:21.180 But you're telling me that an 18-year-old can't, doesn't want to fuck someone who's 10 years

03:04:28.280 their senior.

03:04:29.820 I mean.

03:04:30.800 Sorry.

03:04:31.880 I mean, it's kind of what Megan was saying.

03:04:35.020 It's like, if you're attracted to someone and, like, okay, if you're a 60-year-old man

03:04:40.020 and you're looking at a picture of a model and you find her attractive, like, I understand.

03:04:43.140 But it's about, like, the action.

03:04:45.380 And what you're saying is, like, misconstruing the psychological kind of repercussions of

03:04:51.540 emotional relationships.

03:04:53.680 Like, do you think the laws that are given that they're right?

03:04:57.380 Like, the fact that we do have so much responsibility at such a young age, is that correct?

03:05:01.560 Like, those are, we can also question those.

03:05:03.840 Those we have found out recently haven't had adequate research when they were introduced.

03:05:07.820 So, it's, of course, when someone, let's say, the age difference is 20 years, okay?

03:05:14.760 Sure.

03:05:15.180 We're not making it super dramatic, but also, you know, kind of in the middle.

03:05:19.060 That, the age, the seniority gives them authority.

03:05:21.680 So, you're going to associate relationships with a figure of authority, making, like, making

03:05:25.640 you feel as if you don't have as much agency as you do.

03:05:28.940 Because, as you mentioned, technically, technically speaking, you do.

03:05:32.680 But you're going to be made, you, I mean, of course, there could be someone lovely and

03:05:36.340 it could all be love, but you could be made, like, feel like, oh, I'm young and they're

03:05:41.920 the ones that are going to make decisions for me.

03:05:43.500 And it almost sets up a weird, like, parental dynamic.

03:05:46.600 Like, it's definitely emotionally unhealthy.

03:05:49.220 And also, I want to add to what you added for the evolutionary standpoint.

03:05:52.840 That's definitely proven by research, of course.

03:05:54.960 Men prefer women who look fertile.

03:05:56.940 They prefer women who are young and have good skin.

03:06:00.080 Because that's, like, literally proven because they want women who, like, look like they can

03:06:04.120 bear children.

03:06:04.680 But to say, like, to act on that when you're a certain age and to, you know, to make someone

03:06:11.080 feel as if they're, like, little and to feel like you're going to dominate them, not in

03:06:16.180 every case, but I don't think that's acceptable.

03:06:20.820 I mean, the thing is, is I just, I outright reject this idea that there is a, necessarily a

03:06:32.120 power imbalance or that it's predatory in any way.

03:06:36.280 There's cougars out there.

03:06:39.100 Cool.

03:06:39.760 There's guys in their 30s that want to date women, early 20s, whatever it may be.

03:06:46.080 So, you know, I think it just comes down to preferences, really.

03:06:52.060 If it happens to be the case that men generally have more of a preference for, you know, like,

03:06:58.540 women who are between the ages of 18 to 25, it is what it is.

03:07:03.520 I think most men are not going to be, to sort of add to your point, most men are not going

03:07:08.900 to actually be able to enact on that.

03:07:10.880 Because unless you're incredibly high status, for you to be, like, 35, 40, dating a girl

03:07:19.120 who's 20, you're going to have to be very high status, you know, athlete, musician, something

03:07:24.020 like that, or just be very financially well off.

03:07:28.100 And then you're kind of getting into, like, sugar baby, sugar daddy territory a little bit.

03:07:31.980 Um, so, I mean, it could be argued, though, that, you know, age is but only one of many

03:07:40.800 factors that could be related to, like, a supposed power imbalance.

03:07:46.260 Um, and I kind of reject the whole, like, power imbalance thing outside of workplace and

03:07:51.240 educational settings, and perhaps, like, medical or therapy settings.

03:07:55.280 Like, of course, that is definitely not appropriate.

03:07:59.200 Um, but, here's a scenario, okay, um, a 30-year-old man who is shy, who is a virgin, who's never,

03:08:08.100 I've written this down, who's never had sex, versus a 20-year-old, 21-year-old stripper who's

03:08:13.120 been having sex for three years, who's had multiple partners and multiple relationships

03:08:17.000 and multiple sugar daddies, who's been flown around the world, Dubai, um, who has, who has

03:08:24.140 more power and social savvy in that scenario?

03:08:26.920 I wanted to add something to what you were saying.

03:08:28.960 Sure.

03:08:29.340 About, you know, the power dynamic.

03:08:31.120 I didn't say power dynamics coming exclusively from age.

03:08:34.300 They could come from situations like this, and I was going to go off saying that in friendships,

03:08:38.320 there could be friendship dynamics with someone who's simply way more well-off or has way more

03:08:43.340 to offer.

03:08:44.280 So, and I'm not, this is, what you're saying is a perfect example of a power dynamic, just

03:08:48.300 in a different scenario.

03:08:49.580 So, you're just saying that power dynamics exist in a different light, which is how the world

03:08:54.780 works.

03:08:55.200 Where did, did anyone else want to come in on this?

03:08:59.980 Well, I mean, actually, sorry, before I have anyone else come in, Eric, were you able to

03:09:03.560 find the two infographic charts?

03:09:07.300 Oh, uh, are you in the folder right now?

03:09:10.420 So, go to the podcast and then go to the infographics folder.

03:09:13.260 Let me know when you're there.

03:09:15.520 So, it's age range one and age range two.

03:09:18.940 If you can pull those over to the tabs, just have it be a F11 whenever you're ready.

03:09:23.560 And pull up a age range one for, uh, yeah, we'll do age range one first.

03:09:32.880 Whenever you're ready, Eric.

03:09:37.260 Can you, uh, control, uh, zoom in there?

03:09:40.220 That's, that's perfect.

03:09:41.540 So, a man's age versus the age of the women who look best to him.

03:09:46.580 I forgot where this is from.

03:09:48.480 I believe it's from a book called Dataclysm.

03:09:50.680 They've done a bunch of articles on this stuff.

03:09:52.540 But, uh, so from 20 all the way to 50, it stays fairly consistent there.

03:09:59.360 Men are finding the peak age of women's physical attractiveness at 20.

03:10:03.080 And, Eric, if you can now go ahead and switch it to the, uh, next one.

03:10:08.600 And you're probably gonna have to zoom in.

03:10:10.420 Yeah, zoom in again.

03:10:12.280 Perfect.

03:10:13.000 A woman's age versus the age of the men who look best to her.

03:10:16.840 So, as you see, it kind of, for women, it, it, uh, kind of matches.

03:10:21.420 As they start to get a bit older, they start, it starts to, you know, air a little bit towards

03:10:26.440 a bit younger.

03:10:27.080 But, overall, it's, uh, much different than the, the graph.

03:10:30.940 Eric, if you can go ahead and just put it back to center.

03:10:33.540 Um, so, did you want, it looked like you had something to say.

03:10:37.020 I'll let you come in on this.

03:10:39.540 Is that, that looked like it was shocking to you.

03:10:42.300 It's not shocking.

03:10:43.460 That's what's sad.

03:10:44.220 It's like, I get it.

03:10:45.120 Everyone has their preferences, whatever.

03:10:46.860 But it's like, I don't even know.

03:10:50.660 I don't know how to explain it.

03:10:51.360 Because I'm not trying to just, like, like hone in on that one factor.

03:10:55.880 But it's just because it is such a big thing in the whole world.

03:11:00.200 Not even just America.

03:11:00.860 But in the whole world, it's something our world has dealt with is, but it's something

03:11:04.780 that's, you know, not spoken about, only beginning to be spoken about now.

03:11:09.900 So, it's just hard for my brain, especially studying sociology and looking at these numbers.

03:11:13.900 And my job is to look at stats and realize how those stats play on to our society and

03:11:18.260 why this thing is.

03:11:19.000 And I know men have a bigger issue with having eyes for, not women, girls who are too young

03:11:25.320 for them, and not so much vice versa.

03:11:27.540 It just seems like a very big parallel to the fact that most women find men their age

03:11:31.660 attractive.

03:11:32.180 And for men, it just stopped.

03:11:34.120 And also, how do you know they find 20-year-olds attractive?

03:11:36.680 They could just be saying that age because that's closer and it sounds better than them

03:11:41.400 saying 18 or 16 all the way up until they're 50 years old.

03:11:45.960 I think you're reaching here a little bit.

03:11:47.960 I think you're reaching here a little bit in terms of trying to paint men as trying to

03:11:54.780 date women who are not of age, or sorry, girls who are not of age.

03:11:58.480 It's not like I'm saying that I don't think all men, I don't even think 50% of men think

03:12:03.100 that way.

03:12:03.420 That's not what I'm saying.

03:12:04.180 The amount of men that would pursue a woman who's not of age is very, very low.

03:12:12.300 And that's, you could totally think that?

03:12:14.740 There are, of course, there are definitely predator men.

03:12:18.960 But I do want to just make it clear.

03:12:21.460 We were talking about adult women.

03:12:24.000 Yes.

03:12:24.740 And adult, that's 18 and up.

03:12:26.300 Mm-hmm.

03:12:28.720 Okay.

03:12:30.060 I just, yes, you, people, everyone has their own different opinions.

03:12:33.340 Maybe just from the field that I'm in and things I get to see, witness, study, it's,

03:12:39.980 it is a lot more than very few.

03:12:42.700 So that's the only thing I'm trying, it is kind of, I don't know.

03:12:47.400 It's not.

03:12:47.560 You think 50% of men are P words?

03:12:49.780 I said less than 50, but you're saying very, very few.

03:12:52.260 It is very, very few.

03:12:53.240 50 to very, very few is a very, very few.

03:12:56.100 Maybe document reported, but it's, it's not very, very few.

03:12:59.360 It's not 50%.

03:13:00.600 I'm not saying it's anywhere near 50%.

03:13:01.900 I'm not even saying it's 40.

03:13:03.080 But I would say it's more than you're imagining or would like to admit or accept.

03:13:10.380 It's not, I'm not saying you, I'm not saying anyone in the room.

03:13:11.920 But it is a more prevalent, prevalent, prevalent issue in our world than most people would like to admit.

03:13:18.840 I haven't looked at, I'm sure they've done some sort of studies on the prevalence of that sort of thing.

03:13:24.480 I couldn't speak to it just because I haven't seen those studies.

03:13:27.640 I would wager, I would guess that it's 1%, maybe 2%.

03:13:37.740 So just from a woman who, as me alone, when I was under the age of 18, I had more than, okay, as a girl, as not a woman.

03:13:47.540 When I was under 18, if I came into contact with how many men I came into contact with that were over that age, well over that age,

03:13:53.560 it just means being one person, the percent has to be a lot higher than one.

03:13:57.680 And I don't know if any of these women can agree, but from personal experience,

03:14:01.320 I'm not saying it's the people around you necessarily, doesn't know that, but like, it's not doing it justice to say 1%.

03:14:07.460 Fair enough.

03:14:08.220 We'll move on from that specific thing, but did anyone else want to come in on anything?

03:14:17.960 I think everyone's entitled to have their own preferences,

03:14:21.000 and as long as both parties are down for it,

03:14:26.220 like if, say, the guy's down for the cougar and the cougar's down for the guy, then fine.

03:14:31.420 As long as everyone's okay with it, and there's like no emotional damage, then I think it's fine.

03:14:37.480 So, yeah.

03:14:37.980 Okay, and informed.

03:14:39.960 Okay, and to be informed of the situation.

03:14:42.420 Yeah.

03:14:43.640 Good times, good times.

03:14:45.000 Okay, so let me see here.

03:14:46.980 I remember before I said I wanted to bring up a list of preferences that I believe that men have in women.

03:14:56.680 You guys seemed interested in hearing that.

03:15:00.260 I also have a list of preferences that I believe women have in men.

03:15:03.880 I could read that, too, if you guys want to disagree with any of those.

03:15:07.380 Before I do that, though, I need to get up really quick,

03:15:13.040 and then we're going to probably wrap up here in about 10, 15 minutes, guys.

03:15:19.580 I need to get up for about a minute, so I want to open it up to you guys.

03:15:24.980 I feel like I didn't even get to go all the way around on that initial question

03:15:28.680 as far as do you have a dating, something you want to get off your chest related to dating, right?

03:15:35.900 I don't think I fully made it around, did I?

03:15:37.900 No, you did.

03:15:38.560 You did, yeah.

03:15:39.100 I did?

03:15:39.500 Okay, good, good, good.

03:15:40.760 So, final thought or question for the panel?

03:15:45.820 And I have to get up, so if one of you wants to ask the girls something,

03:15:49.120 if one of you can just carry the conversation for like a minute or two.

03:15:52.820 What do you think about this podcast?

03:15:56.400 It's eye-opening.

03:15:58.420 Okay, I'll walk away from this one.

03:16:00.040 You guys can.

03:16:00.500 It's very eye-opening to see how.

03:16:04.480 I mean, I guess I don't like hear, or like reading the comments even,

03:16:09.580 like I don't hear that sort of thing every day, like from like what we're saying

03:16:13.780 and like people in the comments responding, I guess, to what we're saying.

03:16:18.240 I don't hear that a lot, and I don't really see it because like in real life,

03:16:24.800 like men aren't going to go up to you and be like,

03:16:27.320 oh, like you're this and that.

03:16:29.680 Like they're not going to like say this up front because they're obviously behind the screen.

03:16:35.080 But I'm just saying how it's super eye-opening to read all these comments.

03:16:39.980 Like you guys are watching this for three hours on a Tuesday at 10 p.m.

03:16:45.560 Like this is what you're doing.

03:16:47.260 Like, oh, okay.

03:16:48.380 It says a lot about you.

03:16:49.140 But no offense to that.

03:16:51.960 Like your life, you live it.

03:16:53.940 It's cool.

03:16:56.220 Yeah.

03:16:56.540 I'm their favorite because I'm talking.

03:17:01.300 I have tattoos, and that's been the interesting thing for me is reading these comments.

03:17:05.460 Coming for your tattoos.

03:17:06.440 It's all my tattoos.

03:17:07.340 It's the only thing they can think about or focus on,

03:17:09.160 and it's really funny seeing it from that realm because in public, going out, whatever,

03:17:13.500 that's like guys' favorite thing about me.

03:17:15.240 That's like their number one, like, oh, I love your tattoos.

03:17:17.560 Oh, my God.

03:17:18.720 And then on here, it's like, does she know that's not attractive for a woman to have these tattoos?

03:17:25.520 They're really pretty in real life.

03:17:26.440 Yeah, they're beautiful, bro.

03:17:27.600 Thank you.

03:17:28.000 I don't care either way.

03:17:29.380 I don't give a damn.

03:17:30.760 But, yeah.

03:17:31.580 Yeah, like in real life, they're not going to tell you this.

03:17:33.440 Yeah, they're not going to just try to come to your face and be like, oh, my God.

03:17:36.960 Behind a screen, and they don't have the balls to do it in person.

03:17:40.360 All right.

03:17:40.820 Did you guys thoroughly talk shit about me while I was gone?

03:17:43.060 Yeah.

03:17:43.720 Yeah, we did.

03:17:44.800 Okay, lovely.

03:17:45.340 He's looking at me like, I know she did.

03:17:46.480 No, I did it.

03:17:46.980 I did it.

03:17:47.380 Lovely, lovely.

03:17:49.180 What was the last piece you guys were saying?

03:17:51.280 Something about going over to a guy's house, or what was it?

03:17:54.400 No, no.

03:17:55.720 What did I miss?

03:17:57.080 What was the last thread?

03:17:58.780 We were just talking about the tattoos.

03:18:02.820 Oh, tattoos, her tattoos?

03:18:04.540 Well, Esther mentioned how we felt about this podcast.

03:18:07.120 Yeah.

03:18:07.280 And I kind of said it's really eye-opening to see the comments.

03:18:10.980 Like, obviously, for me, like, everyday life, like, guys aren't, like, coming up to me or, like, telling me, like, responses on my opinions on, like, dating and all that.

03:18:22.300 And to see the comments and, like, reading them, like, firsthand, it's, like, really eye-opening.

03:18:28.580 This is very eye-opening for me.

03:18:29.940 Yeah.

03:18:30.140 I've just never been told this before in my life.

03:18:32.020 Yeah.

03:18:32.400 I never knew tattoos.

03:18:33.080 But it's just because they're behind a screen.

03:18:35.500 They can't.

03:18:36.200 They probably won't say this to us in person.

03:18:38.760 But they're behind a screen.

03:18:40.000 So it's, like, eye-opening.

03:18:42.140 Yeah.

03:18:42.380 I mean, chat, they're going to be, chat's going to be chat, you know?

03:18:48.000 Yeah.

03:18:48.520 So, yeah, they're going to, I mean, they've talked a ton of shit about me.

03:18:52.940 I've seen a couple of the comments.

03:18:54.100 They're going to talk shit about you guys.

03:18:56.020 They're going to disagree with you.

03:18:58.280 Someone said, we like your tattoos.

03:19:00.080 I know.

03:19:00.400 I say it.

03:19:00.860 He's been, no, Joey's been my fan all night.

03:19:02.520 I've been reading Joey.

03:19:03.100 Thank you, Joey.

03:19:03.860 Thank you, Joey.

03:19:04.400 I've been reading your comments.

03:19:05.580 Okay.

03:19:06.100 I've just never been told that to my face before.

03:19:08.380 Someone likes your tattoos?

03:19:09.700 No, I get told.

03:19:10.560 That's what I was saying.

03:19:11.260 Usually people come up to me and they come up with my tattoos.

03:19:13.240 Men love my tattoos, usually.

03:19:14.280 Things like that.

03:19:15.180 But then, like, the overall majority of them in the comments are saying, which I know this

03:19:18.840 group is a selected group of men anyways, but they're just all saying tattoos equals

03:19:24.260 easy in bed equals easy to sleep with.

03:19:26.940 Like, they're freaks, whatever.

03:19:27.760 I've just never had that connotation said to me before or in my tattoo community because

03:19:31.580 more of my friends are tattooed and things.

03:19:33.720 Sure.

03:19:34.020 So, I haven't ran into that.

03:19:35.860 Maybe I've had a tramp stamp or something, but, like, I've never been told.

03:19:38.200 Wait, you have a...

03:19:39.160 No, I don't.

03:19:39.740 Oh, okay.

03:19:40.140 But they're saying, like, even just...

03:19:41.480 Do you have the 2020 tramp stamp?

03:19:43.060 No.

03:19:43.440 I don't have a sternum.

03:19:43.980 You don't have a sternum tattoo?

03:19:45.440 No.

03:19:46.040 I have my brains from my head.

03:19:46.860 Apparently, that is the tramp stamp of it.

03:19:48.860 Tramp stamps are back now, though.

03:19:50.440 They're popular now.

03:19:50.780 Well, the sternum tattoo is the tramp stamp.

03:19:52.680 That was, like, the 2020 one.

03:19:54.160 The 2020s.

03:19:55.360 Yeah.

03:19:55.540 Does anyone here have a sternum tattoo?

03:19:57.600 I have a spine tattoo, but...

03:19:59.720 Really?

03:20:00.080 Yeah.

03:20:00.260 Can you see it?

03:20:01.040 Yeah.

03:20:01.340 Is it, like...

03:20:02.440 It's just down my spine.

03:20:06.080 I think I saw it.

03:20:09.140 Oh, okay.

03:20:10.400 Damn.

03:20:11.500 That's pretty.

03:20:12.620 That's so cool.

03:20:13.860 It's just down my spine.

03:20:14.920 I have one on my thigh, but that's about it.

03:20:18.000 Okay.

03:20:18.660 How's that relevant to anyone else but you, like...

03:20:20.620 It's so good that you like it, and, like, any comments are just, like, why are they so opinionated?

03:20:25.100 I don't...

03:20:25.420 People can tell me they don't like my tattoos.

03:20:26.860 That's fine.

03:20:27.200 I've never been aware of this, like, connotation between tattoos.

03:20:30.800 It's just your body.

03:20:32.040 That's it.

03:20:32.920 Tyler Durden here wants a fit check from the panel.

03:20:35.760 I'll leave it up to you guys if you want to do a fit check.

03:20:38.100 Do I have to stand for that?

03:20:39.140 You'd have to stand.

03:20:40.180 My legs are, like, glued to this chair.

03:20:42.420 Actually, maybe next time.

03:20:45.060 Next time.

03:20:45.860 Sorry, guys.

03:20:46.740 Just look at the thumbnail.

03:20:48.120 The thumbnail.

03:20:49.280 Yeah, we're going to wrap up here very soon, guys.

03:20:52.800 Tattoos equal sweat.

03:20:53.840 Actually, so, on the tattoo thing, I want to ask the chat.

03:20:58.420 One in the chat...

03:21:00.800 So, you were saying that people were saying, in the chat, women with tattoos are viewed as...

03:21:07.100 Easy sluts.

03:21:07.920 More promiscuous.

03:21:08.780 Yeah.

03:21:09.440 Okay.

03:21:10.220 I'm wondering how I want to frame this question to the chat.

03:21:13.180 So, chat.

03:21:14.160 One in the chat, if you like tattoos on women, and two in the chat, if you dislike tattoos on a woman.

03:21:24.060 One in the chat, if you like tattoos.

03:21:26.360 Two in the chat, if you dislike tattoos on a woman.

03:21:29.680 Now you guys are switching up.

03:21:31.500 Yeah.

03:21:32.480 Two girls are emotionally damaged.

03:21:35.440 Okay.

03:21:36.080 We got some...

03:21:37.180 It's, like, mixed.

03:21:38.520 Oh, wow.

03:21:39.020 It's, like, 50, I guess.

03:21:41.220 Now they want to talk.

03:21:42.940 Oh, damn.

03:21:45.120 We got a 1.5.

03:21:45.860 We got Waffle with a 1.5.

03:21:48.080 We've got Pansu Jutsu with a 69.

03:21:51.080 We've got Ian Clasper with a 1.

03:21:53.760 I've never seen...

03:21:54.640 Shariq Official Personal Vlog with a 2.

03:21:57.820 That, by the way, just a reminder, guys.

03:21:59.280 One...

03:21:59.780 Wait.

03:22:01.620 Well, is it one you like tattoos?

03:22:02.940 Two you don't like tattoos.

03:22:05.080 Okay.

03:22:05.640 Got it, got it, got it.

03:22:06.440 Yeah.

03:22:07.480 Okay.

03:22:07.760 So, my preferences list...

03:22:10.760 Actually, wait, really quick.

03:22:11.740 Okay, let me do...

03:22:12.560 Guys, get your Super Chats in.

03:22:13.680 We're going to wrap up in 10 minutes.

03:22:15.060 So, if you guys want to get a Super Chat in, now's the opportunity.

03:22:18.380 Let's see here.

03:22:19.620 So...

03:22:20.660 Okay.

03:22:24.000 Okay.

03:22:24.740 I love you, Ian Clasper, Entertainment, 5XDM.

03:22:29.960 Thank you for the 7 Canadian.

03:22:32.100 Thank you, man.

03:22:34.820 Baron Trump.

03:22:36.680 Okay.

03:22:37.560 No, I don't want to do this one.

03:22:39.740 Jesus.

03:22:40.940 You got to do 10, man.

03:22:41.920 Sorry.

03:22:42.460 10 and up.

03:22:44.440 Elder Scrolls 333.

03:22:46.100 There's nothing wrong with wanting someone who is loyal and pure.

03:22:48.340 Values can boil down to the ability to make intelligent decisions.

03:22:52.640 Actions and inaction alike have consequences.

03:22:56.000 Perception equals reality.

03:22:58.000 I believe Elder Scrolls here is talking about...

03:23:01.160 Is this related...

03:23:02.940 I assume this is related to our body count discussion.

03:23:08.400 Word?

03:23:09.480 Yeah.

03:23:10.340 I agree.

03:23:11.160 It happens to be the case.

03:23:12.640 Probably the lower your body count, the more loyal you're going to be.

03:23:15.780 I'm going to say it.

03:23:19.800 What's that?

03:23:21.280 No?

03:23:21.940 No.

03:23:22.260 No, you disagree?

03:23:23.040 I disagree.

03:23:24.040 I told you, it depends on the person.

03:23:26.020 Yeah.

03:23:26.940 Their body count could be one and not be loyal.

03:23:30.060 That's true.

03:23:31.580 That's true.

03:23:32.720 So it doesn't mean every time, but like, I don't know the statistics or whatever, but

03:23:37.220 like, not every time that's the case.

03:23:39.360 Would you say that more likely than not, someone who has a high body count is more likely to

03:23:46.860 be, to not be loyal?

03:23:49.320 I don't know.

03:23:50.740 Someone who slept with a hundred people?

03:23:53.200 It's going to be just as loyal as a virgin.

03:23:58.300 If I'm a betting man, someone who's a virgin is going to be far more loyal than someone who

03:24:03.460 slept with a hundred people.

03:24:04.420 Okay.

03:24:04.640 But what if the person that has slept with a hundred people is sick of it and they're

03:24:08.040 like, I'm ready to commit this person that just lost their virginity.

03:24:11.280 They were like, that was so good.

03:24:13.360 Let's do it again.

03:24:15.480 By the way, it's wait.

03:24:16.760 And I remember you saying this a bit earlier on in the show.

03:24:19.680 Body count isn't the amount of times you've had sex.

03:24:25.220 So if you've had sex with one person five times, that your body count is not five.

03:24:30.780 Yeah.

03:24:31.640 Your body count is like the different people, five different people.

03:24:35.760 Yeah.

03:24:35.960 But so you're, so you're saying if someone is a virgin who sleeps with someone and they're

03:24:40.340 going to think, oh, that's awesome.

03:24:41.980 Let me go do it with a whole bunch of other people.

03:24:43.700 Or I would assume if someone's a virgin, they're going to want to continue doing it with that

03:24:48.160 person.

03:24:48.980 Maybe.

03:24:49.560 Well, you never know.

03:24:50.040 Maybe.

03:24:51.220 Hey, it's 2022.

03:24:52.220 You never know.

03:24:52.880 You never know.

03:24:53.480 There's, there's some crazy shit going on.

03:24:56.520 Okay.

03:24:56.820 Uh, and I actually, I do know both men and women that I think it's more so the case with

03:25:01.900 men, but there are definitely women out there that just, they don't need to be in love with

03:25:08.080 the first guy.

03:25:09.040 They just kind of, some women just want to lose it.

03:25:10.880 So, um, I guess what's the, I, I had, I had a thought on this the day before.

03:25:17.100 Yeah.

03:25:17.360 I guess like a woman who's going to, a future, don't hate me guys.

03:25:22.420 A future slut has to start somewhere, right?

03:25:25.300 Someone who's promiscuous has to start somewhere.

03:25:28.560 Right.

03:25:28.960 If she's, if it's, um, foregone conclusion that she's going to be promiscuous, she's

03:25:35.240 got, she's going to lose her virginity at some point.

03:25:37.700 So, um, okay.

03:25:38.880 Bridget McCabe with the $10 soup chat.

03:25:40.460 Your whole career is based on feeding into misogyny and incel behavior.

03:25:44.040 All these girls slayed.

03:25:45.400 Okay.

03:25:45.680 Bridget McCabe, hater.

03:25:47.060 Um, your whole career is based on feeding into misogyny and incel behavior.

03:25:51.960 I mean, I, if you don't like the facts, I'm sorry.

03:25:57.980 Um, I'm not sure what specifically I said that was misogynistic though, or, um, had anything

03:26:05.000 to do with incel behavior, but, uh, if any girls at the table want to speak on behalf

03:26:11.860 of Miss Bridget McCabe, if any of you think I'm a misogynist, you can say it.

03:26:18.780 I don't, I don't think I've said anything, uh, which would indicate that I hate women or

03:26:24.600 that I am, uh, have some sort of disdain for women, but.

03:26:29.600 It's like, I think it's more of the value, uh, like how you see women's value, I think

03:26:34.660 is rather, it makes me rather uncomfortable, but.

03:26:37.480 Ah, is this your friend in the chat?

03:26:40.260 No, I don't know if that is actually really.

03:26:42.380 But, um, and I would never do that.

03:26:45.380 But, like, I don't know if that's inherently entirely misogynistic, but that's, uh, kind

03:26:52.300 of unpleasant to hear that men's value is somehow based in other things.

03:26:59.480 What do you mean?

03:27:00.620 I really don't want to go to back to the body count thing.

03:27:02.940 I really don't.

03:27:03.660 We've talked about this for like 40 minutes.

03:27:05.680 Yeah.

03:27:05.740 Um, well, okay, so I want to make something clear, clear, like, so as far as your value

03:27:11.820 as a human, I mean that, that your, your body count isn't, that's not a factor there, but

03:27:18.400 when it comes to making, and we all make judgments, whether you guys want to admit it or not, we

03:27:23.700 all make judgments about the potent, the people that we're potentially going to be partnering

03:27:27.380 with, sleeping with, hooking up with, having long-term relationships with, marrying even.

03:27:32.240 So we all make sort of these judgment calls.

03:27:35.120 So, I mean, um, you know, I, from a human rights perspective or whatever, like, I believe,

03:27:45.300 of course, like, I see the value in both men and women, but for, for me, for my preferences,

03:27:52.160 for a preference, for a standard, for a boundary, body count matters to me.

03:27:57.860 So, it's, it's not so much about your value as a human being, but I mean, we all, we all

03:28:04.580 make, uh, value calls.

03:28:05.720 We all make judgment calls when it comes to, uh, potential partners in the same way, like

03:28:09.800 all of, most of you just said, like, I want to date a guy who's taller than me.

03:28:12.960 That is a, that is a numerical measurement.

03:28:17.160 So, uh, you're making a value call, so to speak, based off of a guy's height.

03:28:22.220 Like, the fact of the matter is, a guy who's shorter than you could be a fantastic partner,

03:28:26.520 loving, loyal, great person, but it happens to be that you're not attract, you might not

03:28:33.300 be attracted to men who are of a smaller stature than you.

03:28:37.260 And I think that's totally fine because I think there's an evolutionary, uh, reason for

03:28:43.620 women to want to date men who are taller than them or are physically, or who have some sort

03:28:48.440 of physical prowess or who are larger than them.

03:28:51.000 Uh, there's a reason.

03:28:52.360 So, I mean, it just sort of comes back to the whole preferences thing.

03:29:00.060 Esther, come on.

03:29:01.860 Uh, I think I'm going to stay silent.

03:29:03.820 I don't want to promote further discussion.

03:29:06.040 Thank you.

03:29:07.760 No, but I mean, I, okay, so I, sure, okay.

03:29:14.220 So, next, sorry, hold on, we got a super chat here.

03:29:17.500 Um, what the fuck?

03:29:20.340 Okay.

03:29:21.200 Sorry, man, you got to do $10 and over.

03:29:23.000 Um, Nicholas Val, $10 soup chat, what'd y'all rate yourselves in terms of looks from one

03:29:27.500 to 10 and what is your least attractive attribute?

03:29:29.800 Didn't we already do this with Stifler?

03:29:31.640 We did look or rate ourselves, yeah.

03:29:33.680 Yeah.

03:29:34.440 Um, so, I mean, yeah, sorry, Nicholas, we already kind of did it.

03:29:39.100 Um, I don't know if you want to, like, look back.

03:29:42.020 Uh, so, yeah.

03:29:45.200 Um, I guess he is asking about your, what you think your least attractive attribute

03:29:48.920 is.

03:29:50.060 I mean, if you guys want to answer, if you guys have something you're self-conscious

03:29:53.940 about, sure, I guess.

03:29:56.180 You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

03:29:58.200 I don't like my nose sometimes from the side.

03:30:00.940 Like, it's kind of bothers me.

03:30:02.460 I don't like my nose.

03:30:04.200 Same.

03:30:06.100 Big nose crew.

03:30:07.680 I think I have a big head.

03:30:08.960 Team, team big nose.

03:30:10.060 Um, thank you.

03:30:12.580 Yeah.

03:30:15.300 Nope.

03:30:16.000 Okay.

03:30:16.760 Cool, cool, cool.

03:30:17.420 So, I said I would talk about a couple preferences here and then we're going to wrap up.

03:30:22.860 Um, final thing.

03:30:26.360 And then we'll watch a video to wrap it up.

03:30:28.600 I mean, or we could try to wrap up a bit sooner.

03:30:31.180 I'll leave it up to you guys because we have gone a bit over.

03:30:33.640 So, we can just watch the video wrap up or I did mention before, I could go down a list

03:30:37.860 of some things that men want in women.

03:30:40.980 Let's do the list.

03:30:41.980 Let's do the list.

03:30:42.540 Sure.

03:30:43.020 It's not too long.

03:30:44.020 It's not too long.

03:30:44.820 So, let's see.

03:30:49.580 Let me, hold on.

03:30:50.140 Let me make sure I got it.

03:30:51.000 Okay.

03:30:51.400 So, youthful, feminine, fidelitous, from the jump, peaceful, pleasant, not quarrelsome,

03:31:02.820 doesn't nag, gentle, innocent, modest, humble, demure, temperance, cooperative, submissive,

03:31:15.140 and submissive gets a bad, submissive gets a bad rap, but outside the bedroom here, we're

03:31:20.600 talking about willful cooperation, follows your lead, not obese, fit, petite, and then

03:31:28.500 men have, men can go either way on this one.

03:31:30.740 Some men like big boobs, some men like small boobs.

03:31:33.820 I'm not going to front.

03:31:35.360 I'm kind of team small boobs.

03:31:36.620 Okay.

03:31:37.200 Fat ass, does not have, sorry, does not have plastic surgery.

03:31:42.000 So, no BBL, no fake breasts, no lipo, no fake lips, doesn't cake on makeup, or wears no

03:31:48.900 makeup, has long hair, shaves her body hair, hasn't slept with a lot of men, so low body

03:31:54.780 count, not a single mother, doesn't party, doesn't go to bars, clubs, drinks in moderation,

03:32:05.620 or doesn't drink at all, those are a few.

03:32:08.880 This is your compiled list.

03:32:11.580 This is not necessarily, I mean, a lot of these things, yes, I would liken a partner.

03:32:17.280 Oh, so this is like general, it's not yours.

03:32:19.080 I mean, I have to agree with a lot of the things on this list here, but I mean, I mentioned

03:32:25.240 big boobs, like I don't really, if big boobs are great, whatever, but like, I don't really

03:32:29.160 care.

03:32:30.960 But this is more generally just some things that men want.

03:32:34.960 It's not, it's fairly, it's a fairly robust list.

03:32:39.260 I don't think it's everything that guys want.

03:32:41.960 Some guys might not want some of these things, but I think this is what a lot of men want.

03:32:46.500 Yeah.

03:32:48.060 Anybody?

03:32:48.720 Interesting.

03:32:49.720 I saw a couple grimaces while I was reading that list.

03:32:53.660 Was there anything anyone wanted to come in on?

03:32:57.960 Do you guys have requirements before you fuck somebody too, or just an actual relationship?

03:33:03.100 So.

03:33:04.200 Because I know a lot of those things don't go on with.

03:33:05.980 Sure.

03:33:06.700 So what I would say is that, and this also actually comes down to, back to body count too

03:33:11.680 a little bit, for just, if we're just going to sleep with a girl, we're going to be less

03:33:17.560 concerned about body count.

03:33:19.920 For long-term serious relationships, marriage, life partner, long-term relationship, body count

03:33:26.260 becomes much more important.

03:33:28.540 I mean, I would still say, even for a hookup for me, and I think for a lot of guys, if all

03:33:34.740 things, you know, would we prefer someone with a low body count even for a one night stand?

03:33:39.140 Yes.

03:33:40.480 But, sorry, what was your question again?

03:33:44.140 Oh my God, like for that whole list.

03:33:45.540 So how many times do you think on the actual list, like do you guys actually like make somebody

03:33:49.420 like check off these requirements?

03:33:51.260 Like I feel like you guys say that, but then it comes down to it.

03:33:53.620 It's like whatever girl responds the most to you out of that week is, am I going to be

03:33:57.140 your new girlfriend?

03:33:58.300 Sure.

03:33:58.800 Well, so that's a really good question.

03:34:00.460 Then you raised two really good points there.

03:34:02.300 So when it comes to something casual, men are going to be more forgiving on their preferences.

03:34:14.080 If they just want to get laid, like they're going to let probably a lot of stuff slide.

03:34:18.760 But when it comes to a serious relationship, then they're going to have much more stringent

03:34:24.860 standards, preferences, and boundaries for women.

03:34:28.480 And, sorry, what was the last part that you just said there?

03:34:31.820 So like when you do actually, you know, it's time for a relationship, you're settling down,

03:34:35.860 picking the one.

03:34:36.640 How often do you guys actually check off most of those boxes?

03:34:39.420 I feel like it's like, you know, is it like two, three?

03:34:41.900 You get to check off two, three?

03:34:43.120 Cool.

03:34:43.640 You know, like is there like a...

03:34:45.140 Yeah.

03:34:45.400 Well, I think the big thing is, is that most men don't have, like a lot of men don't really

03:34:53.780 have much of a say for a lot of this stuff.

03:34:57.440 So a lot of guys are, it's very, like I said, it's hard for men to get laid.

03:35:03.820 It's hard for men to get women.

03:35:05.440 So most men will tolerate a lot of stuff just to get laid.

03:35:10.680 And if they can continue seeing that girl, they'll probably, a lot of dudes are sins.

03:35:15.160 They will tolerate a lot.

03:35:18.440 Because most men do not, most men don't have the same level of abundance that women have.

03:35:27.160 So women, you guys have an abundance mentality.

03:35:30.420 Like you can get a lot of dudes.

03:35:33.560 Like you might be talking to a couple different guys.

03:35:35.520 Like there's a couple different guys that are pursuing you, that are courting you.

03:35:38.480 But most men don't have, they're not in a very strong negotiating position, let's say,

03:35:46.520 when it comes to dating women.

03:35:49.320 So as far as there being a checklist and like, oh, she's got to do this, this, and this.

03:35:54.300 Honestly, most men just don't be obese, be pleasant, and fuck them.

03:36:01.140 For most men, that's probably all you need.

03:36:03.200 All you need to do.

03:36:04.220 But there are definitely men out there that are going to want you to bring more.

03:36:06.720 And I think where some women kind of can get into some issues where men are not willing to commit to them,

03:36:12.560 you're just not bringing enough to the table.

03:36:16.600 If pussy is all you're offering, pussy is all men are going to want.

03:36:19.660 And this kind of goes back a little bit to what you said at the very beginning of the podcast,

03:36:26.360 that women are viewed as the prize and that it's women saying, impress me, impress me,

03:36:34.340 or why should I date you?

03:36:37.520 But women are not very often thinking, what am I bringing to the table?

03:36:41.000 What am I bringing to this?

03:36:43.120 Shout out to Patrice O'Neill on this.

03:36:55.820 Men get rejected on the front end.

03:36:58.240 Women will get rejected on the back end.

03:37:00.500 And so what happens is, is that women will sleep with a guy and then he'll lose interest or ghost you.

03:37:08.420 Sometimes, I mean, maybe that hasn't been your guys' experience.

03:37:12.980 So, yeah.

03:37:14.960 I don't know if that adequately answers your question.

03:37:18.300 Okay, yeah, Kathleen's another hater in the chat.

03:37:25.400 So, and, but I want to just, I went through some of the traits that women want, or sorry, men want in women.

03:37:33.280 I'd like to give a few that I believe women want in men.

03:37:36.300 Just to balance this out, because maybe you were thinking, whoa, Brian, that's a fuck ton of stuff.

03:37:40.800 But let me just go over a few that I believe women want in men.

03:37:44.840 Tall, not balding, has a full head of hair.

03:37:48.900 By the way, these are things women want in men.

03:37:51.200 Tall, not balding, has a full head of hair.

03:37:53.640 Muscular, fit, strong, didn't skip leg day.

03:37:57.260 Nice forearms, wide shoulders, six-pack abs, large peen.

03:38:01.860 Clean shaven, or some women, you know, like a mustache or a beard, but it can go in either way.

03:38:07.560 Dresses nicely, who can protect her, who can provide, who's confident, masculine, dominant, ambitious.

03:38:15.240 Successful, financially well-off.

03:38:17.880 Matches or exceeds your level of education.

03:38:20.620 Matches or exceeds you socioeconomically.

03:38:23.280 Chivalrous, pays for dates.

03:38:25.440 Decisive, leader, charming.

03:38:28.220 Witty, can carry a conversation.

03:38:30.720 Good communicator, treats you like a queen.

03:38:34.540 Whatever that means.

03:38:36.320 Even though you're a court jester at best.

03:38:38.200 Okay, funny.

03:38:39.880 Not you guys.

03:38:40.780 Not you guys, of course.

03:38:41.760 But funny, exciting, tells good stories, intelligent, competent, handy, doesn't live with his parents, doesn't play video games, doesn't watch porn, doesn't have a photo of him holding a fish.

03:38:56.900 I don't know what that, I'm not sure what that one's about.

03:39:01.040 Can fix things, stoic, sexually experienced, great in bed, et cetera, et cetera.

03:39:05.880 So, just to sort of level off, you know, the expectations that I think both men and women are looking for in a potential partner.

03:39:16.680 So, let's see here.

03:39:23.180 Did anyone want to respond to that?

03:39:25.000 I have a light little video for us to watch.

03:39:28.780 Just to sort of put a nice little cherry on this conversation.

03:39:32.940 But, okay, Kathleen was talking some shit.

03:39:35.040 So, I guess I'll pull it up.

03:39:37.980 Can you please ask the girls if they were considering dating you?

03:39:40.800 Hey, man, I'm just the messenger.

03:39:43.140 Don't shoot the messenger, right?

03:39:46.540 I'm just reporting.

03:39:47.920 I'm just reporting, you know.

03:39:50.700 I don't suspect any of the women would want to date me because I'm certainly older than them.

03:39:55.680 And given what they've said, it's probably unlikely.

03:40:01.700 So, word.

03:40:05.500 And then we've got a super sticker for Canadian.

03:40:10.420 Okay, thank you.

03:40:11.180 And then trash shirt, shirt one, and black hair.

03:40:15.140 Sorry, Lundowski, but they slayed this conversation.

03:40:17.940 Okay, the girls did pretty well, I guess.

03:40:19.940 I was outnumbered.

03:40:20.960 I was outnumbered, guys.

03:40:22.420 Okay, cool, cool, cool.

03:40:24.780 I asked about final thoughts.

03:40:26.080 I want to give you guys one last opportunity if you guys want to say anything.

03:40:29.220 Otherwise, we're going to react to this video and we're going to wrap up.

03:40:32.520 Anything?

03:40:33.680 Last thoughts?

03:40:34.500 Question?

03:40:35.200 Question for the panel?

03:40:35.900 Okay, Eric, if you can pull up the Bo Burnham clip.

03:40:40.660 It's the very first video.

03:40:43.320 There you go.

03:40:44.060 We all want love.

03:40:53.860 Eric, can you lose the volume?

03:40:55.120 How many single ladies out there looking for love tonight?

03:41:00.520 Yeah, woo that sadness out.

03:41:04.820 Some more where that came from.

03:41:06.160 Ladies, I know what you want.

03:41:12.600 Want.

03:41:15.060 Want.

03:41:17.960 You want a guy that's sweet, a guy that's tough, a feminist who likes to pay for stuff.

03:41:23.080 The kind of guy that gets along with your friends without being attracted to any of them.

03:41:27.500 A good boy, a bad boy, a good bad boy, a half good, half bad, half boy.

03:41:31.800 Loves your brother since the day but not weekend.

03:41:34.260 Is a great lover, calls your mother on the weekend.

03:41:37.040 Now you might think this guy only exists in your mind.

03:41:43.600 Guess what?

03:41:45.580 You're right.

03:41:47.100 If you want love, lower your expectations a few.

03:41:53.040 Because friends charming would never settle for you.

03:41:56.020 If you want love, just pick a guy and love him.

03:42:02.040 And if he's got a thing for feet, say fuck it, sweep me off them.

03:42:06.040 Now, the good thing is that, uh, at least men have very realistic expectations for women.

03:42:16.020 He said, sarcastically setting up a second verse in a comedy's hug.

03:42:20.240 You want a girl that's nice, a girl that's not, obsessed with her looks but is insanely hot.

03:42:27.740 The kind of girl that you can show to your folks, love the movies that you like and always laughs at your jokes.

03:42:32.120 A real girl, a hot girl, a really hot girl, a brand new, really hot, real doll.

03:42:36.820 Wants to impress, he doesn't care if you notice, and only ever uses you to tickle her throat with.

03:42:41.380 Now, you might think that this girl only exists in your mind.

03:42:48.100 She's real, but last week she died.

03:42:51.760 If you want love, lower your expectations a lot.

03:42:57.540 You might think your dick is a gift, I promise it's not.

03:43:00.760 If you want love, just pick a girl that loved her.

03:43:06.120 Then whip out your dick and let the girl you loved it climb the offer.

03:43:10.140 I don't want a neat freak, I don't want a slob, somebody with bedhead and a dead-end job.

03:43:15.760 Cause I won't settle for less than perfect.

03:43:20.760 We want perfect children, a perfect life, perfect husband or a perfect wife.

03:43:26.560 But deep down we know we don't deserve it.

03:43:31.140 But we all deserve it.

03:43:40.340 Anyways, the girls are getting bored of the clip.

03:43:44.120 I'm just trying to figure out what I'm doing.

03:43:45.380 I'm literally just sitting here.

03:43:46.320 Just so your reaction to the clip?

03:43:48.180 They love it apparently.

03:43:50.380 The audience loves it?

03:43:51.760 They do.

03:43:52.440 I guess you guys didn't love it so much.

03:43:53.960 You guys were thoroughly bored with it.

03:43:57.800 Okay, cool, cool, cool.

03:43:58.720 So that wraps up the show, guys.

03:44:02.020 Unless any of you wanted to give a reaction to that.

03:44:06.940 Nobody?

03:44:07.840 Anybody?

03:44:08.600 Yeah.

03:44:09.620 It was kind of sort of related to the conversation we were just having.

03:44:13.240 I just think an important thing about what girls look for, guys, how the fruition of their

03:44:20.080 relationship and how things are going to advance.

03:44:23.220 Me looking for a guy who is able or has passions and a career, that's something that can definitely

03:44:31.480 be worked on.

03:44:32.520 A lot of the things you're listening with that guys want is not something a girl can work

03:44:36.680 on in years to come.

03:44:37.960 You can't work to have a lower body count.

03:44:40.740 Like, that's, like, you know, like, you're not going to take back your body or something.

03:44:44.620 I mean, like, you can, like, there's, like, revergerizing, whatever.

03:44:47.300 And also, like, it's like, yeah, like, I can have a preference for a guy to be tall.

03:44:52.600 Like, a guy can have a preference for me to be a blonde.

03:44:54.840 Like, you know, those are definitely things that people have.

03:44:57.440 But I think, like, the bottom line is that guys have a lot of preferences to, like, make

03:45:03.240 themselves look better.

03:45:04.400 While a girl has a lot of preferences for the relationship to be better or to have a good relationship.

03:45:10.940 And I think that's just, like, what the list kind of shows.

03:45:14.660 I mean, so you're saying that of the preferences I listed, by the way, for both men and women,

03:45:22.740 there's quite a few.

03:45:23.840 Yeah, there's a lot.

03:45:25.600 I would actually say that women have a lot more control over the things that men like

03:45:32.780 about them than the things that women like about men.

03:45:36.020 Which ones are you talking about exactly?

03:45:40.280 Well, okay, so first off, body count.

03:45:42.260 You absolutely have control over your body count.

03:45:44.500 There's that one.

03:45:46.080 Yeah, but I mean, like, if you're coming at me and I'm, like, 30 and you expect me to

03:45:50.600 have, like, be a virgin still.

03:45:52.340 Like, that's kind of, like, outlandish.

03:45:53.780 You could still have a low body count at 30, though.

03:45:56.300 Yeah, well, I know that.

03:45:57.400 Like, there's, like, religious aspects that you don't want to.

03:46:00.080 So I don't share.

03:46:02.020 You don't disclose?

03:46:03.060 I think body count matters, so that's just not something I share.

03:46:06.560 Sorry.

03:46:07.040 I was just burying.

03:46:07.600 No, I mean, you're fine.

03:46:10.520 I mean, actually, just I want to go around the panel.

03:46:13.440 You guys can try to guess it.

03:46:15.660 How old are you?

03:46:16.880 33.

03:46:17.780 How long have you lived here?

03:46:19.120 In Santa Barbara?

03:46:19.980 Well, I was born in France.

03:46:20.780 I moved to Santa Barbara when I was five, so I've lived here for a long time.

03:46:25.100 Since the Bush administration.

03:46:26.300 No, sorry, the Clinton administration.

03:46:28.480 I'd say, like, around 45.

03:46:29.360 You think my body count's 45?

03:46:31.160 Okay.

03:46:31.400 Around there.

03:46:32.740 25.

03:46:34.060 40.

03:46:35.160 Say 30s.

03:46:36.720 In the 30s.

03:46:37.720 3.

03:46:38.600 3?

03:46:39.460 Okay.

03:46:40.680 30 to 40.

03:46:42.660 Yeah, 35.

03:46:45.040 I can neither confirm or deny any of these numbers.

03:46:48.520 Can you give us a range?

03:46:48.600 No, I'm not.

03:46:48.620 Can you say who's closest?

03:46:50.040 No.

03:46:50.400 Were a lot of us close?

03:46:51.480 I'm a man of God.

03:46:52.760 I cannot reveal.

03:46:54.300 Wow.

03:46:55.480 I cannot reveal.

03:46:57.020 That's very revealing.

03:46:58.120 I cannot, no, I'm being facetious, but no, I'm not, just not something I reveal.

03:47:05.300 But, okay, so I do want to address your comment.

03:47:08.180 So, I mean, I feel like a lot of the stuff, it's like, some of the stuff is just stuff you

03:47:13.680 can just kind of do.

03:47:14.900 I'm, like, I'm not going to be, like, a submissive little baby for, like, some man who can't,

03:47:21.240 like, grow the fuck up.

03:47:22.140 Like, that doesn't really make sense to me.

03:47:23.640 Like, I get what you're saying.

03:47:24.980 Like, I definitely do think, like, it's good to have your preferences.

03:47:27.940 Like, you know, like, you want this.

03:47:30.120 Like, you want that.

03:47:31.100 But I think, like, at some point, like, it's just, like, it's very telling on your, like,

03:47:36.080 identity and personality more than it is on mine.

03:47:38.040 And, like, you just wanting to meet, wanting me to be, like, a very specific way is just

03:47:42.800 more telling of, like, you.

03:47:44.480 Like, it's not, like.

03:47:45.380 Women don't want men to be a very specific way?

03:47:48.300 No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

03:47:50.020 I'm just saying, like, like, you have your preferences, right?

03:47:53.960 Like, that's, like, the big thing.

03:47:54.420 Are you talking about me specifically or are you talking about men?

03:47:56.280 Like, everyone's just saying, like, oh, they can't address that people have preferences.

03:47:59.820 I'm addressing that people have preferences.

03:48:01.100 I have preferences.

03:48:02.100 I think just, like, the big issue is, like, what does it tell about you?

03:48:05.420 And that's, like, what, like, I'm trying to, like, look at.

03:48:08.160 Like, women, like, are, like, men will look at, like, a girl's preference and, like, that'll

03:48:13.000 tell something about them while I'll look at men's preference and tell something about

03:48:16.160 them.

03:48:16.420 Like, I'm not saying, like, it's, like, you're stupid for, like, thinking this and that.

03:48:19.780 I'm just saying, like, there's a lot you get off from how, like, what, there's a lot

03:48:24.300 you get off from a person from, like, what they find is, like, the most, what they

03:48:28.120 prioritize in, like, a girl.

03:48:30.960 Well, that's also why it's important to find someone that meets your preference.

03:48:35.420 And not trying to make someone match to your preferences because, you know, typically

03:48:41.420 if somebody has preferences set and somebody's meeting all those preferences, then they probably

03:48:45.320 already are the type of person that they're wanting.

03:48:48.940 But, like, if, you know, you meet somebody and you're trying to make them change to fit

03:48:53.040 everything you like, because maybe a couple of things are good about them, then, yeah,

03:48:56.120 it's probably not going to work because you guys aren't meant to be together to begin

03:48:59.360 with.

03:48:59.600 But, like, Virx thinks it's 25 divided by three.

03:49:04.060 So, I guess it's for the body count thing.

03:49:06.920 It's multiply for women and divide by three for men, apparently.

03:49:13.420 I don't know if there's any truth to it.

03:49:14.460 Anyways.

03:49:15.160 But so, your initial thing was, though, that of the list, there were things that you took

03:49:25.760 issue with some of the preferences that I said some men have, right?

03:49:30.640 Well, I feel like we've been talking about body count this whole time, so that's what

03:49:33.480 I was, like, referring to mostly.

03:49:35.020 Okay.

03:49:35.400 Mostly the body count thing.

03:49:36.880 Okay.

03:49:37.880 I mean, I don't honestly remember, like, what all the lists said.

03:49:40.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:49:41.180 Yeah.

03:49:41.440 Okay.

03:49:41.740 So, I'm, like, not on my brain.

03:49:42.780 Yeah.

03:49:43.000 Well, we can run it back if you want.

03:49:44.740 We can discuss some of this.

03:49:45.960 No, that's okay.

03:49:46.820 I have an A to M tomorrow.

03:49:48.660 No, I mean run it.

03:49:50.220 Never mind.

03:49:50.720 Okay.

03:49:51.220 Anyways, that is it for today's show, guys.

03:49:54.340 I want to give a big thank you to the lovely panel for coming on.

03:49:59.980 You guys were great.

03:50:00.800 Really appreciate you guys.

03:50:02.120 I know we disagreed on stuff.

03:50:03.420 I know we debated some stuff, but I genuinely appreciate it.

03:50:07.380 I think it's good to be able to have conversations like these.

03:50:10.460 If we're not able to talk, if we're not able to disagree, then communication doesn't happen.

03:50:17.620 So, big thank you to all you guys for coming on.

03:50:19.620 Sorry that we ran a little bit late, guys.

03:50:22.160 We did get started a little bit late, but we're going to get you home soon.

03:50:26.580 So, yeah, and thank you to the audience for tuning in.

03:50:29.740 You could have been doing anything else, but you're here with me.

03:50:33.760 I appreciate that.

03:50:34.460 We will be live again.

03:50:35.980 Sorry, guys.

03:50:36.380 I'm starting to slur my words.

03:50:37.760 We will be live again Thursday at 7 p.m.

03:50:40.360 Like the video and leave a comment on your way out for the algorithm.

03:50:44.320 Thanks again to the panel.

03:50:45.100 Thank you guys again for watching, and we will see you guys next time.

03:50:49.800 Have a good night, guys.

03:50:50.960 Thank you.

03:50:51.660 Good night, guys.

Whatever Podcast - February 03, 2023

Dating Talk #22

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