Dating Talk #36
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3 hours and 36 minutes
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187.85579
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Summary
In this episode of Whatever Happenings, host Brian Atlas is joined by co-host Kiki to discuss ghosting, ghosting culture, and ghosting books. They are joined by two guests, Emma and Sydney, to discuss their experiences with ghosting and how they deal with it.
Transcript
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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Sempre un'amabile, legge addroviso, impianto in briso e menzognero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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Every Tuesday and Thursday at 7 p.m. Pacific, I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
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Anyways, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and your school major.
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I'm a recent UCSB graduate with a Bachelor in Communication.
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Currently occupied in downtown Santa Barbara as a stylist.
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I'm from Australia, and I moved to LA about four months ago.
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I'm a best-selling author with nine books, and I've written two books about dating and ghosting.
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I'm a TV host, radio announcer, and mom, actually.
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Continue on with the introductions, but guys, are your books available on Amazon?
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Yeah, you can get my books on Amazon or my website.
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But yeah, I was just in the middle of telling you my age, and then I thought that's what
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You almost turning 50 just sent electricity through the air and fried our, I'll fix it.
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Can you just tell us about the books real quick?
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Where'd They Go just went on an American tour, and I went on all the TV shows.
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Literally, people just disappearing into thin air.
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There's stuff in there about when they resurface.
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So sometimes they'll just watch your Instagram stories, and they'll orbit.
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So I call that orbiting, just to let you know that they're still around.
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And then, yeah, this one's about digital dating.
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I am from Nevada, and I'm out here for college.
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I'm an acting major, so I'm studying acting, and I go back and forth between here and LA
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I'm 19, and I'm not in school, but I am a nail tech.
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I'm not in school, and I'm just working at a restaurant right now.
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Brandon, age 40, tattoo artist, club promoter for the Spearman Rhino, Santa Barbara County,
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People that have access, trash, roofers, yard waste, stuff like that.
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The truck will come, grab it, take it to the city landfill for a fee, back and forth, back
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Actually, I just got my DUNS number for business yesterday.
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Chat, can you just say one in the chat if you can at least still see and hear us?
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It's going to take me one to two minutes to address the issue.
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Current relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on any dating apps?
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My longest relationship, 10 months, I think, and I am on the dating app Hinge.
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Unfortunately, I know all too well all of the dating apps.
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I am actually on a couple of apps at the moment.
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Happily single, dating, although I am looking for the love of my life.
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I'm using The League and Raya, although I think that they're both not really working very well.
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And, yeah, just kind of seeing someone at the moment.
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Oh, longest relationship was 13 years with one person.
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I'm not sure if you guys can see me, so I'm Sydney again, but I'm single.
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My longest relationship was six months in high school because I haven't really, like, dated that much.
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And I'm currently on Tinder, but I don't use it too much.
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And my longest relationship was about a year, and I'm on Bumble.
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I'm single right now, and my longest relationship, I think, was, like, a year and a half.
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All right, guys, we're having major fucking technical difficulties,
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We kind of have something here, but we're having a lot of issues.
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So I can't host and also try to handle the technical issues at the same time.
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I don't think that's really an option at this point.
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It seems like all the guests are, like, able to see and all of that sort of thing,
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Yeah, guys, I don't know if you guys can start it.
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You guys can't see what's going on on your end, but it's, like, scuffed on our monitor.
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No, well, they don't see an issue, but there's an issue on our end, so, yeah.
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Do you want us to just banter for a bit while you?
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I'm a little bossy, so I can come in handy with that.
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What was one of your, like, worst Tinder or, like, dating app experience?
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Or best, I mean, I'm out in Santa Barbara because I matched with a guy on Tinder,
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and now I'm, like, I hit it off with him, and so, okay.
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So, for me, I ended up, so I'm from Reno, Nevada, which is, like, near Tahoe,
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and I ended up matching with a guy on Tinder, and we went on a date in Reno,
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He's, like, oh, like, I'm not looking for anything.
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Like, I like you, but I leave for school out in Santa Barbara in, like, two weeks.
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So we were just friends, then I came out, and I visited him here as a friend.
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And then I, like, fell in love with it, and a year later, I live here.
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So I'm on, I'm in Santa Barbara, like, living, like.
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We're honestly still friends, but it's funny because, like,
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I came out to live in Santa Barbara, and then we just swapped.
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So, but, like, I made it out to Santa Barbara because of Tinder.
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I've had, like, really good, like, Tinder experiences, which is, like, crazy.
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But, I mean, in my career path being acting, it's all about, like, connections and stuff.
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So, like, the more people you meet, the better you go.
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What's one of your, like, craziest or, like, best dating app experiences?
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I guess, like, craziest in terms of, like, unpredict, like, spontaneity is I had been
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talking to a guy on Hinge for, like, less than 24 hours.
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There was definitely some flirty chats going on, but nothing serious.
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And then that night, he booked me a flight to come see him in L.A.
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And when I got there, I was, like, texting him, like, I landed, like, is the car going
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to come pick me up and take me to your place or the hotel or what's going on?
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So, I ended up just going out in L.A. by myself.
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I went to a club, and I met a bunch of people, and I ended up just partying with them.
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And then the next day, he texted me, like, sorry, I got too messed up.
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And I was, like, I'm out of here, buddy, but thanks for the flight.
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So, I flew from this tiny little airport, Santa Barbara, to LAX.
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Yeah, so it was just, like, a domestic flight, like, literally from Santa Barbara to L.A.,
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So, yeah, I guess he was, you know, either drunk, asleep, something, I don't know.
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But I didn't get a text until, like, 3 or 4 a.m.
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I was at Poppy and I get a text, like, oh, sorry, like, I just, like, saw this.
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So, did you end up meeting up with him eventually or not?
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But I had such a fun night and I actually met two of my really good girlfriends that I'm
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And we still see each other and I still see them in L.A.
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So, he paid for the, it's weird that he paid for a flight instead of just, do you have a car?
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I mean, for one, when I, I used to, I have my driver's license, which I shouldn't, but
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when I did drive, back when I had a car, like, in high school, one of my classic, like,
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Emma examples of how I would act on the road, I used to reverse on the freeway when I would
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That's literally in the permit test of what not to do.
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With flying colors, I barely made any mistakes.
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And they gave me my driver's license and a car, but then I got taken away.
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No, my car got taken away, but I still got my driver's license.
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That's why I think it's irresponsible for me to have a car.
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Because I'm not getting any audio from my soundboard.
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We've had some technical, been having technical difficulties on our end.
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Everything's working now, but we're still having some audio issues.
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I'm going to have to go check on that really quick.
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But yeah, so that's quite interesting that you, one, you don't drive because you reverse
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So why instead, why not just get off on the next exit?
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No, that is what the person in the passenger seat told me was like, well, first of all,
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they were, after they were done screaming, they were like, well, you realize that this
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It's, I kind of just like, I get behind the wheel and I disassociate.
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Do you, in what other scenarios do you disassociate?
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I think that's, okay, well, because it's so important to be focused as a driver.
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And that's where I just like, la, la, la, go on my phone, get from point A to point B
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You know, you, you can't even get on your phone when you drive.
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There's cameras everywhere in Australia, just looking down at you.
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See, for me, driving was like the perfect time to go on my phone.
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Have you ever committed the crime of vehicular manslaughter?
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I do not condone vehicular manslaughter, nor do I condone texting and jiving.
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But I'm going to be, I'm going to come clean and say I have, I have texted and jive.
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That's good that you don't condone vehicular manslaughter.
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No, yeah, I would say I'm pretty start, startly against it.
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I mean, I'm sort of seeing someone, but I'm single.
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You're single until there's a girlfriend question.
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I was just saying you're single until there's a girlfriend question.
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No, you're single until there's a boyfriend question.
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The girl, the girl should initiate that conversation.
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I mean, either works, but like you're single unless, yeah.
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It's kind of interesting to me though, that you can be single and like also have been sleeping
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And by the way, Michael Trilstein, I don't know if you're still in the chat, but thank
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you for the five gifted memberships before the show started, man.
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By the way, everyone's Instagrams are in the description.
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So we're going to get into our first topic here.
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So you wrote a book, one of, one of which is about ghosting.
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We're going to talk about ghosting here in just a second.
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Let me get the soup chat while we have it pulled up.
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Eric, can you just pull that back up real quick?
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And if any of them step out of line, bringing out the flamethrower.
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Guys, so, okay, I need to step up to, guys, sorry, the show's going to be a little janky
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I need to get up and deal with the technical issues that we're having.
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Let me pull that up once more and just finish this off.
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So, yeah, dude, A, Mike Davis, if it's any consolation, I had three girls flake on me
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Thank you, Mike Davis, for the $10 soup chat, man.
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By the way, just a reminder, guys, all soup chats will be read.
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All soup chats will be displayed, $10 and up to be read and answered by either me or the
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So, who do you guys think ghosts more, men or women?
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It's everybody, and it doesn't just happen on dating.
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I definitely ghost, and I definitely have been ghosted, so it goes both ways.
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So, she deserved it, because you were feeling unsafe.
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To a degree, but she's just, like, being ridiculous.
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Like, I tried to do a proper, like, I'm not interested.
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But she just was way too persistent with it, and then-
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There's a chapter in my book about that, and that's when you're feeling unsafe or disrespected.
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Yeah, I definitely think that there's circumstances and situations where it's justified.
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But I'd say, probably most of the time, it's just people being cowardly.
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Well, they just don't know how to have a sweaty palm conversation, or they're not picking up on the yellow and orange flags.
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So, you know, I think that ghosting is a bit proportional to your level of narcissism.
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It's really important not to just label somebody that, unless you actually have, you know, a psychologist.
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There are narcissistic traits, and some people can be, you know, narcissistic in their behavior, but it doesn't mean they're narcissists.
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Why don't we do this, though, while I address the technical issues, why don't you tell us, give us a little plot synopsis, cliff notes on your book about ghosting.
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Well, basically, it's something that either, as you can see, everybody has either done or had it done to them.
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I'm pretty much a gentleman if I get asked somebody, and I'm interested in them, and if they're not receptive to it, then, you know, I'm not going to sit there and ask again.
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If they're sweet and nice, and they're maybe just, you know, who's, God, what's up with all these, your eye and all this shit, and I'm looking at your profile, like, ah, you know what I'm saying?
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But when people get to know me, when they get to talk to me, it's like, oh, like, cool.
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You know, even if it's just for good friendship, you know what I'm saying?
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I'm picky with the people I bring into my world.
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It's, the conversation's going to go to a certain point to where it's like, I'm going to start saying things that the person's not going to appreciate, however it may be constructive, or a positive opinion in my, in my perspective.
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And you're saying it's because you feel like you get judged because of how you look.
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I mean, I didn't do all this in fear of being judged.
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But it's, like I said, the people I bring into my world, you know, yeah, I mean, the only people I've ever ghosted were people that were just, you could tell they're psycho.
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You could tell they're just like, whoa, like, er, like, we're already talking about all this.
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We haven't even met or nothing, and you're getting into, you know, what your ex did to you and why you're all messed up in the head.
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Rule number one, don't talk about your ex on dates, right?
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That or, you know, just don't tell people you never met personal things.
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But what you said, though, and girls, did you hear, you said, because I'm a gentleman.
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I mean, this is the whole thing, is that when people decide to be gentlemen and have quality communication, you'll usually just say, hey, I'm not feeling it or whatever.
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The only time you'll ghost is when they're crazy, as you say.
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If they get psycho and they're just, or they call me like, whoa, like, you know, if I didn't respond within 10 minutes and I'm getting a phone call from them, it's like, you know, how do I, I'm done off top.
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But how do I, how do I do that in a nice way without having to waste more of my time thumbing through texts and shit like that?
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But for the, like, average person, people are getting ghosted through business, through friendships, through dating, right?
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And it can be really haunting, like, pardon the pun, if you don't deal with that disappearance.
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Like, so many people are actually describing it as worse than death who do get ghosted.
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Yes, because, Brian, at least with death, some of my readers are like, you know, thank you for writing this because at least when somebody dies, you know they're gone.
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But with ghosting, when somebody ghosts you, they actually, you don't know if they're still around, what actually happened, how do I get closure?
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And I teach you to go, well, do we actually care?
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You don't want to be with somebody that doesn't know how to communicate, right?
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But so many people say that it really messes with their self-esteem and their confidence.
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Maybe they got ghosted because they compared it to death.
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Wait, worse, worse than death, like, worse than death as in you dying or someone you know dying?
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Well, they're not just able to put closure to that interaction that, at least when they're saying, and this is what the reader said, one reader said, that when that person died, they knew that they were gone and they could grieve it.
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But with the person that ghosted them, they really never had the closure because they don't know whether they're still around, like what actually happened.
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No, sorry, I think that's the issue with the whole semantics in the context of ghosting is that we project so much expectation on this person that may even be like a parasocial relationship, like someone we've messaged on a dating app a couple times.
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And I think that burden is, like, heavy to carry.
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Like, yes, it's a very extreme metaphor, but, like, I think people project so much onto getting ghosted and, like, what that means, like, for them and for that person.
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For me, I've never, like, personally, I don't think I've been in a situation where I've been ghosted, so to say.
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You kind of just told us an example where you got ghosted.
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Well, they texted me back, like, five hours later.
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I've never had someone, like, proverbially disappear from my life.
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I think it's just a matter of that there's very telling signs and there's pretty glaring cases.
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Cues of people that kind of will come at you with this angle of pursue and withdraw.
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So a lot of the times, like, guys will, you know, show you affection or, you know, communicate with you or give you this just enough so that you are able to project, oh, you know, a certain amount of potential with them.
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And then I think when that potential or that expectation isn't met, then we on the receiving end will be devastated and almost, like, to the point where it's, like, not, it's so out of scale and it's so blown out of proportion.
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The level of emotional investment that I think a lot of girls, women put into these, like, ghosting experiences where it's, like, I think from the jump, I can tell if someone's coming in with that angle of pursue and withdraw.
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I can tell if someone's going to, like, the tricks are pretty easy.
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They're pretty, like, you know, they think they might be able to pull one over on you, but I think it's just a matter of.
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In the context of, like, because the whole thing about why ghosting has such an impact, I think, on so many people is that I thought I had potential with someone.
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I think I had this something with someone and then when that's not met by them, when that's why I'm saying I think that the responsibility is on both people, the person that got ghosted and the person that's doing the ghosting.
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I don't think we should necessarily, like, villainize this person that's doing the ghosting because a lot of the time, the person that's being ghosted is overburdening or has unrealistic expectations.
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So I think expectation is kind of the key concept.
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We do got to keep in mind that this is an artificial world that we are communicating in and speaking from, you know, someone born in the early 80s.
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Now, in 2022, the generations after, they don't really understand.
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They do understand, but they, you know, being born into social media, born into the cell phone, there's no real time to take into account, like, what should you really get emotional over and what should you not get emotional over.
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So if the interaction is not face-to-face and you didn't fall in love with this person face-to-face or you didn't garnish respect for this person face-to-face, how can you feel disrespected after a certain point of, oh, you fucker, but, like, to, like, you know, adopt misery over it?
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This person had been in a six-week relationship.
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They had met each other's friends and all of those things.
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And just to quantify it all, I don't agree that that person should feel that way.
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There's 50 ways to deal with disappearance and to realize that you're so much better off and get the closure on your own.
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But as you say, we're in a world now where we feel like we're having a relationship via text, via dating apps, and we're actually not.
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I mean, it's not, and I just want to, you know, ask a question for the panel if I could.
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Who agrees that we live in America currently in a failed society?
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Wait, so I just want to go back to the whole, so can you just repeat that it's ghosting is, for some people, is what?
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Because I was about to say, like, I think I'd rather get ghosted than have someone I know die.
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She may have, as I said, you know, been in a relationship and felt like she was really connected to that person.
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And that's why it felt like that, for her, you know.
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But I'm suggesting that we shouldn't feel that way, that we should count our blessings.
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I think if you're dating someone and they cheat on you, then you should ghost them.
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Even if you've been dating for, like, three years.
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Yeah, it's not even, like, oh, let me, what's the word, like?
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Yeah, I don't want to have an argument with you.
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I don't want to have a big blow-up fight with you.
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You can think why, you can wonder why I ghosted you, why you've been together for three years.
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But, yeah, I think that'd be a scenario where you could ghost.
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Oh, I was dating this guy for about five months.
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There's a whole story of how I found out he was cheating.
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He came to surprise me for a day after he moved for, like, a month.
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And he left my house in the middle of the night.
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And I heard him having sex with another girl from the sidewalk.
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Did the rhythm match up with, like, the rhythm with you?
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You know, you said you heard the, like, was that his pace?
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I waited after, like, he walked out of the house.
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If it was off, like, it could have been someone else.
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Wait, he didn't want to fuck you or you didn't want to fuck him?
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Well, he said he was gay at the end of our relationship.
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And then, you caught him cheating, sleeping with another woman.
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He told me he was, and then, like, after we watched Glee together, he was like, I'm gay.
00:33:57.460
He told me, because, okay, he told me he was bi when we first started dating.
00:34:01.600
He's like, if we watch, and then we broke up in July a few months before that, we started
00:34:07.800
And he's like, hey, after we watch Glee, I think I'm going to be fully gay.
00:34:14.540
Honestly, Glee was a sexual awakening for me, too.
00:34:25.560
I think he told me he was gay, but he cheated on me with women the entire time.
00:34:34.160
He's so gay, he cheated on you with other women.
00:34:57.480
I was like, okay, well, we ended on good terms.
00:34:59.920
And then, yeah, and he lives at my mom's house.
00:35:26.640
No, because when he told me he was gay, I was like, okay, we moved to Colorado.
00:35:31.100
And he was like, oh, like, we established that he was gay or whatever, quote, unquote, whatever.
00:35:36.060
And I was like, okay, well, I can't live with you anymore.
00:35:38.580
So he drove me all the way back here with my dog.
00:35:43.840
And then we kind of went back and forth on being friends and being not.
00:36:04.620
And so if he moved back here, he would have died.
00:36:09.400
Or your mom was just feeling generous and wanted to help him out?
00:36:12.020
Oh, so my mom's just really nice and will help anyone.
00:36:13.540
There's, like, multiple people living in her house right now.
00:36:16.300
Multiple homeless drug addicts living in her house?
00:36:18.720
There was a couple that lived downstairs in her house while she was traveling that were
00:36:30.520
Yeah, there's also, like, a 16-year-old girl, like, living there, too, that, like, needed help.
00:36:34.480
There's, like, it's going from, like, generous to, like, yo, she's.
00:36:38.900
That's just, wait, but speaking of your boyfriend, quasi, maybe gay boyfriend sort of thing.
00:36:50.620
Okay, so I was supposed to come on the show, and I couldn't because I was working.
00:36:56.660
And I saw who was on it, and I saw the Instagram username, and I knew exactly who was right
00:37:03.300
away because she had previously stalked me for months, and her, I don't know if it was
00:37:07.660
her best friend or her really close friend, was in a relationship with my boyfriend while
00:37:13.600
And she called me twice, and I saw, I recognized the area code because it was the same area code
00:37:22.340
Like, I thought they were just friends, and I found out it was a lot more than just friends
00:37:27.120
He met her while he moved for a few months during the winter season to work at a ski resort.
00:37:33.240
I thought they were friends, but this girl, I recognized the area code.
00:37:38.580
He told me to block the number, and I was like, why?
00:37:43.460
And so I looked up her number on Cash App because you could find, like, their name.
00:37:48.620
Found out her name, and I realized she followed me on Instagram the same exact time she had
00:37:52.120
called me, around, like, the same 10, 15 minutes, whatever.
00:37:58.500
And then she followed my nail account, and then my main account, and then unfollowed both,
00:38:03.140
and then would kind of refollow and unfollow, like, all my pictures, like, my stories, and
00:38:07.420
And then for months, she watched all my stories without following me.
00:38:12.640
Until even recently, she followed my nail account again.
00:38:21.500
I was like, hey, like, sorry, Mr. Cawthorne's about work, because I was like, let me just
00:38:28.040
The girl that was on the show, her friend was in the relationship with my ex.
00:38:35.480
And she, like, wasn't, she, like, didn't, I think she, like, met him.
00:38:41.100
Her friend was sleeping with your boyfriend at the time.
00:38:49.820
So you're upset at her because she didn't tell you that her friend.
00:38:54.940
It's like, why are you watching my every move and not saying anything?
00:38:59.740
And she commented on my story one time, and I saw it.
00:39:03.200
But she's like, hey, like, is he there with his dog?
00:39:07.180
What if she thought that her friend was the girlfriend, and you were the side piece?
00:39:15.020
That would explain it, because she was checking up on you.
00:39:20.040
Wait, but did the girl that was hooking up with him, did she know that you were the girlfriend?
00:39:47.780
We have Mike Davis here with the $10 soup chat.
00:39:50.560
Brandon, I can help you kickstart your business, but I'm going to need some form of alternative
00:39:54.920
I'll get you that dump truck, and you'll get a BBL package deal.
00:40:19.740
I mean, sometimes it's, you know, who needs the whole, oh, I don't want to see you
00:40:30.780
In that case, she picked up on the red flags and left.
00:40:36.440
Andy, how dare, I need you to apologize to Mike Davis for even suggesting that such a
00:40:47.120
When he doesn't, but when Mike doesn't like the girl, that's when he gives them off so
00:41:21.400
Ask everyone to write their looks on a scale of one to ten.
00:41:41.580
I'll tell you that some days it's like a ten and some days it's a four.
00:41:52.320
I think I'm sitting at a solid, like, six and a half.
00:42:04.560
I think if you're ever going to rate yourself, you should always rate yourself a ten.
00:42:08.620
Because you become more attractive when you hear how a person thinks.
00:42:12.800
When somebody starts to show you how they think, they're hot, right?
00:42:43.400
I don't know right now, because I had an allergic reaction, like, a month ago, and it still
00:42:54.380
It just messes with my self-esteem a lot, and I don't really like it.
00:43:41.600
I'm going to be an 11 if you give me that Neutrogena makeup remover, because I look better
00:44:01.100
So, if you need your nails done, fellas, Mike Davis, and you're ever in Santa Barbara,
00:44:36.080
So, that means that there are no women that are more attractive than you.
00:44:41.480
This is just showing you everybody's self-esteem.
00:44:46.800
We are all beautiful and worthy of being in love and loved and all of those things.
00:44:51.700
I just think it upsets me when everybody says that they're lower than a ten.
00:45:00.760
Well, we shouldn't be rating each other in the first place.
00:45:02.800
We should be loving ourselves exactly the way we are.
00:45:05.560
Well, we all make judgment calls about people's various traits and either physical characteristics.
00:45:15.760
So, you have no standards or boundaries when it comes to who you pick to date?
00:45:27.200
I mean, there is things like talent crush, people who make you laugh.
00:45:32.060
You can find somebody so attractive in so many different ways.
00:45:38.100
Like, somebody who is paraplegic in a wheelchair to dwarfism.
00:45:43.400
I just think we're all beautiful and this shit needs to stop.
00:45:51.560
But, the fact of the matter is, is that for most people, for both men and women, looks play a pretty major factor in picking a partner.
00:46:12.240
But, at the end of the day, our intentions and our hearts are what's beautiful.
00:46:24.160
I have a really good ass, so I'm going to round it up.
00:46:40.160
But, if everyone's a 10, if everyone's a 10, then.
00:46:54.020
Well, all of a sudden, everyone wants to date someone who thinks they're a 10.
00:46:58.480
Your confidence is what's attractive about you.
00:47:03.160
Because it's your confidence that makes you hot.
00:47:19.600
I think Sidney said it one time, fake it till you make it.
00:47:22.900
I mean, to a certain degree, that is true when it comes down to if you project how other
00:47:28.800
people are going to perceive you based on how you carry yourself with confidence, eventually
00:47:33.500
They're going to have to accept it because you're not giving them anything else to chew on.
00:47:39.320
So, when you said, I'm a 10, even though he said, you said as a joke, I was like, oh.
00:47:48.560
It's just, and he's talking about it with such, like, do you want to revise your answer?
00:47:58.820
Shake off the tattoos, grow some hair out, slick it back.
00:48:14.560
If you're just looking for somebody to fuck, then yes.
00:48:19.420
But if you're looking for someone that you actually want to.
00:48:30.320
I think she drank too much of your wine, Brandon.
00:48:51.760
Sydney, one of these days I'm going to be able to articulate such a convincing point.
00:48:56.800
An argument that I will be able to change your view on this.
00:49:25.940
Now, hold on though, because Shields is like the largest sporting goods store in the world.
00:49:34.700
But, no, so Shields is like the largest sporting goods store in the world.
00:49:38.320
Well, we had the largest ones in Reno alone, but it's like in Texas and like multiple states.
00:49:55.260
You're not, you don't have an accurate self-assessment of where you stand on the sexual marketplace,
00:50:00.900
on the dating marketplace, in the relationship marketplace, in the marriage marketplace.
00:50:08.460
No, but you just, you don't have a reasonable assessment of where you stand.
00:50:26.480
By the way, they're all different shapes and sizes right now.
00:50:34.580
Are they doing like the fat Victoria's Secret models?
00:50:52.040
You're talking about the like overweight, obese women who are.
00:50:56.260
It doesn't mean that those women aren't beautiful or deserve love.
00:51:00.440
And also, a healthy body looks different on every person.
00:51:03.580
I'm sorry, but if you're obese, you're not healthy.
00:51:05.240
But you can be also fit and lean and not necessarily well.
00:51:08.900
Sure, but if you're obese, you are necessarily unhealthy.
00:51:24.480
And so, isn't it beautiful that everybody has different tastes in colors, sizes, ages,
00:51:30.900
And this is what makes us so gorgeous is because what you think is hot is different.
00:51:34.640
And so, when you say rate yourself, this is why I say everybody just needs to rate themselves
00:51:38.180
a 10 because what we like, what you like, everyone likes different things.
00:51:57.280
How is this shocking to you for someone to say that?
00:52:01.520
I've seen a lot of people who are very overweight.
00:52:06.360
Having an amazing sex life, a very healthy relationship.
00:52:10.120
Even more so than people who look like magazine cover models and not necessarily happy or in
00:52:16.600
I have no problem with people who are overweight or obese, having a partner, finding love,
00:52:24.420
But you cannot say that someone who's obese is in good health.
00:52:29.460
We're talking about rating ourselves in terms of sexual attraction.
00:52:37.680
You asked if I was attracted to women who are overweight and obese.
00:53:22.400
If a woman doesn't want to date a guy who's obese, that's totally fine.
00:53:29.440
But I don't see why there's such a pushback on me having...
00:53:33.640
Men are not allowed to have boundaries, preferences, and standards.
00:53:36.360
No, you had boundaries, and you've told me what you like.
00:53:39.440
And I also think it's important that you have your own preference.
00:53:49.460
And what I'm saying is the obese woman can be a 10.
00:53:54.620
And your preference and your decision is different.
00:53:58.520
But that's what's so beautiful about us all, is that we all like different things.
00:54:05.060
I mean, perhaps for some people, someone who's obese could be a 10.
00:54:13.880
You can line up 100 people, and they can all kind of come to a bit of a consensus over,
00:54:20.080
you know, ranking and determining someone's physical attractiveness.
00:54:24.620
And I'd say if you line up 100 men, probably 95, 90% of them are going to say,
00:54:30.760
I'm not attracted to women who are overweight or obese.
00:54:36.240
Some of my most beautiful friends aren't a size 8, and they are stunning.
00:54:46.000
As soon as women start dating men shorter than them, fine.
00:55:03.500
That are my age, that are, like, shorter than me.
00:55:11.160
Okay, but you're going to tell me that, broadly speaking, women don't have a height preference
00:55:37.520
And I don't know who your audience is, but I'm sure that there are some people that
00:55:41.300
are overweight, and it's important for them to understand that they're also a 10, and that's
00:55:49.980
Because you're basically labeling them that they should rate themselves.
00:55:53.380
Whoever asked that question, they're the ones that we should be yelling at.
00:55:59.800
If you want to break down the rating thing, we can look at face.
00:56:19.640
He's one of the hottest men that I've met since I've been in L.A.
00:56:22.780
He's got the most beautiful heart, and he said to me at the age of 11, he considered
00:56:27.460
committing suicide, and he is so glad that he's still around today.
00:56:31.460
And that conversation I had with him on the red carpet of a pre-Emmie soiree has stuck
00:56:38.840
Somebody who decides to love himself and rates himself a 10 and decided not to take his life.
00:56:45.620
I'm not advocating people should delete themselves if they don't consider themselves a 10.
00:56:53.440
Most women are not going to date a guy who is a dwarf.
00:57:06.360
But yes, and so if you believe that, then why not use your platform in a positive way
00:57:13.640
Because that's the reason why that guy wanted to take his life at the age of 11 in the
00:57:20.080
On an individual level, people are free to have the preferences, standards, and boundaries
00:57:27.960
I'm just saying consider him as an attractive person when you get talking to him.
00:57:33.240
When you say attraction, that's something that somebody else feels.
00:57:40.140
I know, but that's the problem is we don't give men a chance.
00:57:44.600
I know, but so many women don't give men a chance, because they won't even get to know
00:57:49.540
Just have a conversation and watch their eyes light up.
00:57:51.940
I think we're talking about physical right now.
00:58:00.920
We're talking here about physical, and you're like...
00:58:04.200
But you're coming in, and you're just like, oh, well, this gentleman was talking about
00:58:21.300
What about before we went on air, you told me to take off my jacket.
00:58:28.900
I know what sells, and I put the heater on, so it was going to get hot.
00:58:38.880
Okay, but you're accusing us of being shallow, and I'm asking if you have plastic surgery.
00:58:42.740
That you find that this to be one of my most attractive qualities.
00:59:06.080
I think you guys are doing great bantering, though.
00:59:20.700
I'm saying the conversation is getting shallow if we keep talking about only superficial.
00:59:25.360
But that's just the flow of the conversation, and I'm asking...
00:59:28.440
You're talking about superficiality, but you have plastic surgery.
00:59:34.420
I don't think we should use plastic surgery against that.
00:59:40.360
We're all in our 20s, so yes, we are superficial and shallow.
00:59:44.920
Well, why is this thing that has been said so far?
00:59:56.580
And that's the stage of life that I'm in right now.
00:59:59.680
Maybe in two or three decades, I will be looking for someone with a golden heart.
01:00:12.840
I don't think there's anything wrong with it either.
01:00:16.700
That's really an intelligent answer because when you do live a little bit more life and
01:00:21.820
you go through a lot of hardship, trauma, life experience, whatever it is that you go
01:00:26.760
through, you start to realize what's important.
01:00:31.440
That was the longest answer you ever got from that question, huh?
01:00:37.820
Can we ask the question, you know, does this depend on if people are looking for a partner
01:00:48.740
So the perspective before you really start splitting hairs on this topic, are people just
01:00:53.180
looking for someone that looks good, they can bring around, have sex with, and not really
01:00:58.380
Or are they looking for a righteous partner, someone they can pair with and be with and
01:01:03.240
have all these type of energies, exchanges you're talking about?
01:01:06.720
If you have sex with someone and you want to, and I always say do it safely, like wear
01:01:13.060
If you're going to rent a car, at Rent-A-Car, do you want to get a beat-up ride or do you
01:01:17.560
I've had intimacy with somebody who is a model, but they look at themselves in the mirror when
01:01:31.980
They look at themselves having sex in the mirror?
01:01:35.780
But what I'm saying, by the way, I just, what I'm saying is every single scenario is
01:01:45.800
It's like, you can't just pinpoint and package it up and go just because this person's hot
01:01:51.900
is going to be like that and this person's overweight, therefore it's going to be like
01:01:54.980
You just got to look at everybody in an individualistic way.
01:01:57.420
But that's how it usually starts is most people are looking at looks first and then we start
01:02:05.100
Yeah, but you're saying that people don't find overweight women hot and that's where
01:02:11.700
Like I said, one of my best friends is not a size eight.
01:02:19.820
One in the chat, if you are not attracted to obese women, two in the chat, if you are
01:02:28.300
The way you word it, you're getting the answer that you want because you're calling it a obese.
01:02:36.100
You know, one woman might have the biggest ass ever and the tiniest waist and the hottest
01:02:44.260
Like you're visualizing something that is like, I don't know what you're even trying to...
01:03:11.320
I mean, the first thing you see is their looks.
01:03:19.720
There's obviously a lot of passion behind where she's coming from.
01:03:22.840
She's coming from a very passionate point of view and I can respect that.
01:03:26.160
But I think Brian generally is just, you know, black and white.
01:03:31.040
If you had a lineup of people and you pick a date, are you going to go out of your way
01:03:34.860
because you want to be a humanitarian about it and be nice and pick somebody that would
01:03:38.460
be not who you really want to date based on attractiveness?
01:03:41.460
I'm saying people want to date people who are overweight.
01:03:45.620
I'm saying that people actually find overweight people attractive.
01:03:56.420
So are there people that find overweight or obese women attractive?
01:04:05.020
How many people on this panel or on your audience are actually overweight and not with a six
01:04:11.340
But do I think that they're not hot and I should rate them less than a 10?
01:04:25.040
I'm just going to respond to what you just said.
01:04:41.420
So I'm saying that the listeners on your show don't all have six packs and I feel that
01:04:47.800
they should still rate themselves a 10 in terms of how they feel they look in terms of
01:04:52.640
attractiveness because there's someone out there for everyone and just because they don't
01:04:56.660
look like a model with a six pack doesn't mean that they're not hot and I can tell you
01:05:00.760
right now that they deserve all the love and confidence because everyone finds everything
01:05:10.040
So there is going to be someone that actually finds that person attractive too.
01:05:19.120
There are people that will find someone who's, for example, obese, attractive.
01:05:25.720
But I'm speaking in, we have to speak in generalities here.
01:05:30.460
You're using the word obese, but I never said obese.
01:05:34.920
The way we got to it was, I said, I said that I would, the, I don't think I'd be able to
01:05:42.760
But a Victoria's Secret model is also overweight.
01:05:45.520
And then you started saying, and I'm not privy.
01:05:48.240
I'm not caught up on the, who's Victoria's Secret model right now.
01:05:52.360
I know Calvin Klein has some obese, overweight models.
01:06:01.840
No, but I'm just keeping you up to date because you said you don't know.
01:06:07.440
Size eight models, underweight models are no longer attractive, honey.
01:06:11.520
I don't know what the woke companies are doing with getting.
01:06:18.880
But I'm thinking like when I say a Victoria's Secret model, I'm talking, think 10 years ago.
01:06:23.860
Before that, the whole, let's just get plus size models thing was a thing.
01:06:50.560
I just feel like I can't even speak on this because I'm skinny.
01:06:54.400
You're, I mean, you can have an opinion on something even if you're not.
01:07:01.060
I don't think we're going to come to a common ground on this.
01:07:03.880
I'm just going to say that this is why you basically have women who are chasing after the top 10 to 20% of men
01:07:11.380
and wondering why those men won't commit to the, to those women.
01:07:16.220
Because if, if you have women who just all think they're 9s and 10s,
01:07:20.340
they think they're deserving of a guy who's a 9 or a 10.
01:07:27.880
Average women are not attracted to average men.
01:07:30.660
I just told you you were hotter when you said you were a 10.
01:07:35.300
Okay, but I'm, I'm a, I consider myself like a pretty modest, humble person.
01:07:41.180
I'm never going to say I'm a 10 because there's certain aspects of my facial features.
01:07:46.340
I'm very, like, I can articulate why I don't think I'm a 10.
01:07:52.260
And that's why you won't be with Adriana Lima and the likes.
01:07:59.200
Even, it, even my self-perception doesn't change my outward-facing appearance.
01:08:07.040
I'm, you can talk about the secret and putting it down into the universe.
01:08:11.340
I'm not going to, even if I consider myself a 10,
01:08:14.320
I'm not going to be able to get every single woman.
01:08:17.740
No, this isn't, this is, the opposite is what's wrong with the world.
01:08:21.100
People having an over-inflated sense of self and thinking they're hot shit when they're not.
01:08:31.000
I think I'm a good person, but I have a reasonable self-assessment of my physical attractiveness
01:08:38.800
Whoever you decide to shack up with, make sure she thinks you're a 10.
01:08:45.820
I don't even, I don't even need the girl I'm with to think I'm a 10.
01:08:51.360
Like I said, if anyone's going to have an argument here,
01:08:53.720
it's with the person who said, all rate yourself.
01:09:00.720
I mean, look, you can say that, but it's a natural human process to make assessments
01:09:07.440
about potential partners, potential people we're going to sleep with,
01:09:11.520
potential people we're going to hook up with, a potential wife, potential husband.
01:09:31.180
For, just because I want to like turn this on its head,
01:09:37.600
Like someone you think is a 10, which is a hot take?
01:09:41.360
Well, look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, who landed up having an affair with his maid.
01:09:53.700
But you're going to, but you're going to write, but he, he thought she was a 10.
01:10:00.140
There's a difference between fuckable and dateable.
01:10:02.020
That's what I'm saying is like 10 could mean anything.
01:10:05.880
Someone might be a 10 when you're in a certain mood at a certain time in play.
01:10:11.900
Okay, but you could survey a thousand people and show them a, a series of photos of people
01:10:25.320
And people, some people, there might be some slight differences in how they rate, but most
01:10:31.220
people are probably going to like, okay, this, this one, she's really attractive.
01:10:37.420
People are going to have to some degree, a consensus.
01:10:44.000
Like Brad Pitt in his prime wasn't, and even today at 58 or whatever is an exceptionally
01:11:08.820
We were just watching the movie Hairspray and we both agreed that Zac Efron in that.
01:11:18.600
Did you see he fucking butchered his looks with plastic surgery and shit?
01:11:34.020
And his face, his proportions look kind of weird.
01:11:36.620
I just want to add, I would actually date a dwarf.
01:11:49.240
If you know a dwarf, a female dwarf in Santa Barbara.
01:12:04.700
What you have, actually, we have some, the girls were nice enough to provide us with their
01:12:11.000
So we're going to do, guys, we're going to do a review of their dating profiles.
01:12:17.320
And, uh, but here's what's going on on, on dating apps is, and this sort of relates to
01:12:25.160
the whole rating thing is that on dating apps, the top 10, top 20% of men on dating apps
01:12:39.180
Just like in terms of their appearance, because Tinder is-
01:12:42.700
Wait, is there like statistics of like, wait, I'm just confused.
01:12:46.140
What do you mean when like, so there's a pool of men, there's a top 20 or top 10, top 20%
01:12:55.480
On Tinder, the top, on dating apps, the most attractive men get all the women.
01:13:01.760
There's a literal like pool of 10 to 20 of the top.
01:13:09.280
Let's say there's a thousand guys, a thousand men and a thousand women all using Tinder.
01:13:17.540
Let's say, so the top 10%, a hundred of those guys are going to be sleeping with 800 of the
01:13:26.980
800 of the women are going to be chasing after the top 100% of those men.
01:13:31.900
So there's not like a literal like pool of them, but there's like people that are like
01:13:36.000
reaping more benefits because they're like getting more success on those apps.
01:13:42.540
Because men will gladly sleep with women who are less attractive than them.
01:13:48.160
Men will sleep down, but they won't commit to you.
01:13:51.160
They'll sleep with you, but they won't commit to you because it's easy access to sex.
01:14:04.320
I sleep with people who are like less attractive than me.
01:14:16.540
Um, I mean, it was, one of them was my childhood crush and he's just ugly now, but I did still.
01:14:23.380
There's a, so there's another other factor there, right?
01:14:27.100
And then there's the, there's two others who I just slept with them.
01:14:31.360
They convinced me to, but they were not attractive.
01:14:43.560
I slept with him just because he was six foot nine.
01:14:45.320
Well, that's a physical, I mean, a man's, a man's height is a, is a, uh.
01:14:53.820
I was going to say the UCSB, um, basketball team has been like seven foot.
01:15:38.380
This is our first time doing that, by the way, guys.
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So we have, I believe, uh, yo, Leonardo Nocaprio.
01:15:47.380
Your beloved ex was co-opted by ominous forces.
01:16:42.160
Can I just say, you're a genius in terms of good cop, bad cop, banter.
01:16:47.080
This is why you've got the YouTube awards all around you.
01:16:52.500
Um, actually, wait, Sydney, could you grab something from the bathroom for us?
01:17:07.820
Eh bien, Mike, Mike Davis with the $10 soup chat.
01:17:12.440
I love, I love obese people from my, why am I still speaking?
01:17:17.160
I love obese people from a business perspective.
01:17:19.360
Those fatties put bread in my pocket so I can't complain.
01:17:21.720
I might have to create a quadruple whopper for some of those creatures.
01:17:48.780
See, he agrees with you because he's in, he's a proprietor.
01:18:03.960
Checked him out already when I was in the bathroom.
01:18:06.120
Speaking of little persons, would you, would you have sex with him?
01:18:16.100
I hope that you're not making fun of this gorgeous man and I would definitely go on a date and get to know him.
01:18:21.120
I would never make fun of someone with a crossbow.
01:18:28.680
And Peter Dinklage is a fantastic, well, cause I don't know, I don't want to spoil anyone for Game of Thrones, but yeah, here it is.
01:18:35.860
Uh, this is in my bathroom and it's kind of nerd comedy.
01:18:46.940
We got, uh, let's just bring this back up for context.
01:18:57.720
Six, two self-involved, six cute, but not 10, five, four, too many tats.
01:19:05.140
Um, but Robert, thank you for the, I guess the official rating of the night.
01:19:13.060
I prefer my women with type two diabetes, hypertension, and increased risk of stroke.
01:19:19.660
How do we know that he's not suffering from cardio, whatever, myocarditis from whatever else that's going on this day and age?
01:19:26.380
So just because, are you talking about the, yeah, the juice, the juice?
01:19:30.920
We're talking, we're talking about the vaccine.
01:19:35.940
Um, but there's a lot of myocarditis going around.
01:19:39.540
Everyday Edgar, can you confirm or not if you have, uh, heart issues?
01:19:45.460
Uh, DJ Burnout, merci beaucoup pour le Canadien, uh, 10, uh, vraiment, c'est très bien, merci beaucoup.
01:19:54.540
Eh bien, uh, c'est, it's not about overweight women, it's about overweight people.
01:19:59.180
You can find them attractive, but it's down to your own preferences.
01:20:09.620
Uh, by the way, guys, get your, uh, your super chats in here and, um, we will get to them shortly.
01:20:30.920
Guys, we are going to review the girls dating app profiles.
01:20:37.100
Okay, Eric, if you want to go ahead and pull it up.
01:20:51.880
She, she has her pronouns in the bio there, so that's already kind of an eyebrow raise, I guess.
01:20:59.280
Uh, we got, uh, okay, she does nail artists at her home.
01:21:04.480
Um, and, uh, golden hour photo there, so her, you know, she's not as pale.
01:21:11.000
She doesn't look quite as pale as she does in, and you see all her tattoos.
01:21:23.280
Uh, take me to Olive Garden, and you automatically win.
01:21:28.480
Okay, so, so that means, that means that, uh, she's honestly just trying to grow her Instagram following.
01:21:52.780
She's looking for something casual, which means...
01:22:05.560
And apparently, she likes takeout, hip-hop, country, comedy, and dogs.
01:22:16.940
I don't know where I, like, I don't want, I want a relationship.
01:22:20.780
I don't, so I'd rather just have something casual and just see where that goes.
01:22:54.980
These are probably just photos at this point, but keep going.
01:23:58.040
That's like the one that all the guys talk to me about.
01:24:16.620
She's got her pronouns in the bio, just in case you have questions about her gender.
01:24:51.960
I'm in a Rolls Royce with the stars on the roof.
01:25:28.100
Looking, doing the over-the-shoulder, little cute little look there.
01:25:32.760
So, when you say you're looking for an absolute lover boy, what does that mean?
01:25:40.300
I don't really get that from the lover boy thing, but okay, you're looking for someone
01:25:44.280
Like someone who's in love with me, worships the ground I walk on.
01:26:05.040
Like Hanako, but with an O, it means flower girl in Japanese.
01:26:31.420
I go by my middle name because nobody can pronounce, spell, or say my last name.
01:26:45.260
When I see that, that suggests to me, you're just trying to get some followers.
01:26:49.740
No, I just, I don't have that many pictures up.
01:26:51.820
And I have way, I have like, you know, a bunch of pictures on my Instagram.
01:26:57.920
I think it's really important for people to actually present their other forms of social
01:27:02.240
media to ascertain whether the person's a fake profile or not because you could be chatting
01:27:05.920
to someone on a dating app and not realize that they're not even real.
01:27:09.920
So, at least she's being transparent and you can check her out and see she's a real person.
01:27:13.600
And I rather talk in the DMs than like on the dating app.
01:27:17.860
This is just, you know, five pictures and two memes.
01:27:27.420
So, you want, are you the cat or are you the dog?
01:27:44.440
I guess you can go out of F11 and then you can, and then you can go put it back on like
01:27:58.160
I don't think the chat could handle me to be fair.
01:28:18.920
Left is also a no just because hinge is a bit different, but god damn.
01:28:28.180
I thought I was going to find the love of my life in this chat.
01:28:53.180
So, we're doing a hat trick here of all the different dating apps.
01:29:13.620
And also, I did just take it out of my bio like a few days ago.
01:29:17.740
But it used to say, like, I like dates, just at the end.
01:29:26.200
She's always down for random adventures, whatever that means.
01:29:35.220
I don't know if that's, you dislike pets or you just don't have any pets.
01:29:41.940
And her interest, Netflix travel, foodie, movies, and her anthem, Some Dude I Don't Know.
01:30:18.940
I think this is the last one, so we'll pause here.
01:30:39.220
Or Thickney, as she's sometimes called in the chat.
01:30:51.340
Everyone in the chat is always like, Brian, bring Thickney back on.
01:31:41.320
And often get told I look 15 to 20 years younger.
01:31:47.860
And then because it's this like league app, it just automatically takes everything from
01:31:56.220
I didn't, I only just screenshot one photo for you.
01:32:27.180
Because the thing is, I'm, we're all unique, but I feel like I'm really unique in terms of
01:32:38.520
And I do attract younger men and they just match my energy.
01:32:45.400
I haven't actually dated somebody my own age ever in my whole life.
01:32:59.900
Yeah, I've been married before, but anyone that I've ever been with.
01:33:12.020
Probably the closest is six years, five to six years.
01:33:26.700
But when you were like 18, you said you've never dated anyone.
01:33:35.880
I didn't have anything intimate until I was 22.
01:33:40.740
I lost my virginity when I was sexually assaulted when I was eight.
01:33:57.800
So most of the men that you date are younger than you.
01:34:01.760
And I think giving you a little bit of that history, because obviously I've had to do a
01:34:05.220
lot of deep work and, you know, some growing and evolving around the very sad act of being
01:34:12.840
However, it does attract people who are younger than me, not just because of what I've had
01:34:24.820
I just haven't met anyone that's my age that has the same energy.
01:34:35.360
I wasn't paying attention to the monitor guys, but, oh, did we do a swipe?
01:34:43.680
Well, I don't think it's appropriate to talk about after a heavy thing, but yeah, that's
01:34:48.580
Well, of course, because this is a show about it's live.
01:34:53.520
And it's been a very difficult life journey, but here I am.
01:34:58.520
And I think it's half the reason why I'm aging slower because I've been able to deal
01:35:10.400
So the unicorn thing though, let's talk about that.
01:35:15.160
So it's just basically, it's my way of describing that I'm different, you know, and we all are.
01:35:23.880
What's the definition of a unicorn in like urban dictionary?
01:35:30.400
Well, no, there's the unicorn thing where it's like someone looking for a third in their threesome.
01:35:51.740
I don't know if it's Scotland or not, but there's somewhere with the national animal
01:36:02.840
I guess everybody has a different definition of how they describe themselves because, you
01:36:14.900
No, I thought we were talking about the unicorn.
01:36:22.800
No, I just thought we were talking about the unicorn and what it meant.
01:36:25.160
No, when she said lover boy, like her definition of lover boy is different to my definition
01:36:29.300
to your definition and my definition of unicorns about being really unique and different.
01:36:42.680
This is my fourth time on and I'm struggling to keep up just a little bit.
01:36:57.700
We have a video from your TikTok we're going to react to.
01:37:20.700
Some mistakes that you can make on their dating app profiles.
01:37:23.140
Don't ever put, if you can make me laugh, then we'll get along.
01:37:27.020
It's not about what the person can do for you, but rather what you can actually contribute
01:37:32.520
What are you bringing to the table as well, instead of always looking for what they can
01:37:38.020
Don't start off the conversation with a compliment about their aesthetics.
01:37:41.500
People feel more connected and drawn to you when you give them a compliment about their
01:37:45.660
character, and that's what we're all looking for now.
01:37:50.680
Don't waste hours, days, or weeks chatting to someone that you haven't even ascertained
01:37:56.240
Always suggest a video call to make sure that not only they're not a fake profile, but also
01:38:07.480
Somebody, one of the, you know, audience said something like, just because you go to their
01:38:11.320
Instagram doesn't mean that they're a real person.
01:38:13.180
That is so true, because a lot of people make fake Instagram profiles, too, to try and pretend
01:38:20.360
So you have to pick up the phone and do a video call with them, and every dating app
01:38:25.760
And then you don't have to give out your phone number, so you can feel safe.
01:38:32.000
Personally, I'm not FaceTiming someone before the date.
01:38:34.560
Like, I'm not, like, I only FaceTime people that I'm very comfortable with, but before
01:38:42.720
And I don't know, like, I always have, like, these, like, certain, like, Tinder rules,
01:38:46.380
but, like, public place, not nighttime, you know, like, no hiking, like, shit like that.
01:38:51.120
But I am not, I'm not FaceTiming somebody before I go on a date with them.
01:38:55.220
I don't want to go, that's a little bit awkward.
01:39:05.080
We're just talking about how to ascertain if they're a fake profile on a dating app before
01:39:10.820
you meet up, and you could just video call them, and Sydney was saying she doesn't like
01:39:15.660
She likes to be the surprise when she meets them in real life.
01:39:18.260
Well, not necessarily the surprise, it's just, like, it's awkward enough to have a first
01:39:23.080
I'm not going to, like, prop my phone up and have a conversation with a person like that.
01:39:26.780
I don't even like doing that with some of my friends, let alone a guy.
01:39:32.240
Yeah, so, all the other stuff, I mean, I actually agree with you pretty much on everything in
01:39:38.240
I don't like to do, before a date, I won't do a FaceTime, but I will do, I'll try to
01:39:42.220
get their Instagram, so I can see their Instagram.
01:39:44.700
Because you can tell if it's pretty fake than that.
01:39:47.200
I like to do a phone call, but FaceTime, that's kind of weird.
01:39:50.320
I'd rather the first time, like, we see each other, that's face-to-face, but I'll do a
01:39:55.340
So, if I have their Snapchat, they send me a picture or whatever, then I'm like, okay, cool.
01:39:59.240
I mean, most of the time, it's, I mean, just statistically speaking, it's unlikely that
01:40:05.260
in any given scenario, you're getting, like, catfish, or it's, like, a fake, but a phone
01:40:10.820
call, and when, at least for me, if it's a woman's voice, like.
01:40:24.960
I, when, a few years back, when I first came to America, I went on Tinder, I matched with
01:40:33.040
He was a violinist, a professional violinist, and the guy that I was staying with said, don't
01:40:38.220
you actually want to bring him to the house so I can check him out before you actually
01:40:42.760
I'm gonna make him pick me up here so that you can meet him, and we can suss him out for
01:40:47.180
So, he came over, and he was actually very overweight.
01:40:51.920
He did not look like his photos, and I remember at the time, like, looking at my friend going,
01:40:59.440
wow, like, because people put old photos of themselves or filters, but old photos is a
01:41:05.560
I still went out with the guy, and we ended up dating, had the best time.
01:41:08.960
I didn't even care what he looked like, because, like, he was the hottest violinist, sexy,
01:41:18.620
But, I'm just saying, make sure that you're okay with the person not looking like their
01:41:23.160
photo, and so that's why it's really good to just do a video.
01:41:25.760
Wait, so he looked much different than how he did in his photos?
01:41:29.140
Well, I mean, besides you not caring, but from a physical perspective, to me, that's like
01:41:35.620
a deception there that on its face, on its own, is kind of like...
01:41:40.140
But because he rocked up to the house and had, like, a half-hour chat with my friend,
01:41:49.080
All right, you gave him a pass on the catfishing, but, you know, whatever.
01:41:52.740
And I asked him about it, and he said he was on some kind of, like, I don't know, those
01:41:56.480
meds that make you shredded and stuff, and I'm like, good on you for not doing that
01:42:04.140
I kind of understand that, like, I've been on, like, those dates, like, I'm, like, when
01:42:08.360
I moved to Santa Barbara a year ago, like, I was bodybuilding, and so, like, I was a
01:42:18.660
I was bodybuilding for a year when I first came out here, and then I, like, hit college,
01:42:27.320
I can understand, like, the whole, like, getting to know person before you go on the date.
01:42:29.720
Like, the other night, I, like, had a phone call with someone, but, like, FaceTime
01:42:35.800
Like, I feel like that's what the first date is for, you know?
01:42:37.680
That way you do it in a public place at a restaurant, and then you always, like, text
01:42:40.920
your girlfriend, like, an emoji to call you and get you out of there.
01:42:51.820
He was really attractive, and I met up with him.
01:42:56.020
It was, like, a lot, but he was really attractive, but I still, like, didn't talk to him anymore
01:42:59.880
because his personality, like, we just did not vibe right.
01:43:03.760
But he was attractive, but that didn't matter to me.
01:43:09.740
So, you could still be attracted to someone, but their personality is just like, no.
01:43:20.360
I don't know if he was nervous or what, or that's just his personality, but he didn't
01:43:25.920
really let me get a word in, and he was just talking a lot and kind of just about the most
01:43:31.960
He didn't let you get a word in because you're pretty talkative.
01:43:39.440
But he kind of started talking about the most random things ever.
01:43:44.220
Just anything that was on top of his head, like, and they're just, like, talking out
01:43:54.760
Yeah, I mean, that's definitely a yikes when the person's just, all they're doing is talking.
01:44:00.440
I mean, I talk a lot, but I was just surprised that, like, he seemed, like, cool.
01:44:04.760
We were texting for days before then, and then, but my main point is that you can still think
01:44:09.560
someone's attractive, but personality-wise, it's like.
01:44:12.460
I think men might fall into talking too much because a lot of men's experiences on a date
01:44:20.520
is they show up, and the conversational burden falls on the guy.
01:44:29.520
If I show up on a date, and I do what most girls do, which is just show up, if I didn't
01:44:35.400
say anything, the girl would not say anything, and it would be an awkward silence.
01:44:40.060
But do you think that's because he's a good communicator?
01:44:45.000
Maybe they're expecting that from you because they know you're a good communicator.
01:44:52.280
So I was surprised that he, like, would not let me get a word in.
01:44:58.600
But also, it was, like, raining, so we couldn't really do a lot, but.
01:45:01.400
I honestly like it if the girl's just talking the entire time.
01:45:06.940
It's, like, at the end of the date, I'm like, God, it was so great.
01:45:17.780
And then we just not, we didn't talk after that.
01:45:28.600
That wasn't, that wasn't enough to seal the deal?
01:45:40.340
Oh, it was, like, people in their dating profiles, they often list, here's what I'm looking for.
01:45:47.580
If you can make me laugh, then we'll get along.
01:45:51.540
They're, like, make me laugh, and then we'll be an item.
01:45:54.780
It's, like, what are you bringing to the table?
01:45:56.880
Like, you should be advertising yourself instead of saying...
01:46:06.900
I mean, I have to pick me to Olive Garden, so...
01:47:00.920
Who do you think has more unrealistic standards, men or women?
01:47:17.060
I think a lot of people want to hear what they got to say.
01:47:22.080
Everybody's talking about this fake, artificial world of, you know,
01:47:26.560
communicating via your cell phone, your laptop, whatever.
01:47:36.460
They may have actually went to a place and took the picture,
01:47:38.780
but in general, anybody can fake a life they're having online.
01:47:43.200
So, to sit down and have a real conversation about real values
01:47:47.120
and real things that people are interested in or not interested in,
01:47:53.640
of an artificial world that people can create and make whatever they want,
01:48:00.420
and that's why you go around and around in circles over it,
01:48:02.700
because there's no real way to get any kind of justice out of being real from a fake platform.
01:48:09.720
Some people are real about their shit, but 90% of the people are fake as fuck.
01:48:33.060
I mean, when it comes down to social media, it's fake.
01:48:38.580
When I came out of prison and people were texting me,
01:48:47.580
So, for a lot of people and people that take life, you know, serious,
01:48:53.040
but not so much themselves, that's a hindrance.
01:48:57.900
And, you know, yeah, there you go, Jerry Arctic.
01:49:03.700
So, don't expect realness out of something that's fake
01:49:07.020
and something that's a platform where everybody can go and just shit in it
01:49:10.380
and make whatever they want to be true and lie about who they are
01:49:14.960
And you're going to get the majority of that on social media.
01:49:18.180
So, to try to pull realness out of that, wasting your time.
01:49:22.000
Are you talking about, like, dating apps or what?
01:49:32.560
I don't think she's putting too much on her posts and stuff like that.
01:49:42.980
Personally, I'm glad that you don't because if you did do stuff like that,
01:49:45.580
I probably wouldn't follow because I'd see right through it, like,
01:49:50.500
But I don't see that, particularly from her posts.
01:49:53.860
So, don't expect something real out of a platform that's fake.
01:50:03.060
But the majority, anyone can lie about it and who's going to know?
01:50:25.060
So, who do you think has more unrealistic standards, men or women?
01:50:28.120
I mean, I know for myself, I have pretty unrealistic standards just because I saw my parents' relationship
01:50:39.160
So, I know they're very, very high and much higher than the people I've talked to.
01:50:44.300
But I think overall, like, I don't know, women tend to have higher standards.
01:50:50.440
Which, I mean, I kind of like that because guys kind of suck.
01:50:55.960
And, like, you're going to have to qualify that statement.
01:51:02.540
The last few guys I've, like, talked to, they, the last one in particular, I really am having
01:51:13.780
He led me on for, like, four or five months and was, like, saying, oh, I want a relationship
01:51:21.820
And his parents came into town to meet me and so did his grandparents.
01:51:24.300
And then three days after that, he ghosted me for a week and then told me, he called
01:51:31.340
And then I found out through one of his best friends that he was fucking his ex.
01:51:37.820
Was this after he ended things with you, so to speak?
01:51:42.740
But before, had you guys had a conversation about being monogamous and exclusive?
01:51:51.060
We were like, yeah, we're not in a relationship.
01:52:05.720
Yeah, they were, they just cheated on me a bunch.
01:52:10.720
And, I mean, that was kind of, I like to say it's my fault because I kind of, I guess,
01:52:18.500
I stayed with them after they did that and was like, yeah, no, it's fine.
01:52:22.460
Just like, if you're going to do it, like, please, like, tell me if you do.
01:52:28.440
Because I kept on finding out through other people and I didn't fuck with that.
01:52:35.460
Could it be possible that it's happened to be the guys that you've just, I mean, those
01:52:51.920
Why is it for the majority of girls, why is it that when you treat girls like dirt,
01:53:02.640
I mean, you just admitted, though, that you go for-
01:53:12.200
Not that I agree with that, but it is what it is.
01:53:15.340
Well, I mean, I feel like personally, like, when they, like, tear you down enough, like,
01:53:20.160
you genuinely feel like you can't get out and you can't do better.
01:53:22.380
So you stay and you handle it because you're like, oh, well, like, no one else will put
01:53:27.540
But you're also attracted to guys who are like that from the jump, too.
01:53:44.380
Like, way too charming and I didn't see through it.
01:53:55.900
Actually, the short dude I was talking about earlier is one of them.
01:54:09.400
They're, like, super charming and they're, like, exactly like you.
01:54:25.840
They flatter you down and tell you what you want to hear.
01:54:34.500
There's a term for when men treat the women so small, like what Sidney was saying, and
01:54:43.040
But women also stick around when men treat them nicely, too.
01:54:49.620
I think a lot of girls that have a big ego like that.
01:54:52.740
They like the challenge because most guys simp for them.
01:54:58.760
They kind of just bow down to their shit, but someone who kind of really treats them off
01:55:02.720
because no one else gives them any kind of challenge, they kind of welcome that.
01:55:07.820
Like, I got to get over on this guy because he's treating me differently like dirt than
01:55:14.100
all these other guys that just bow down to my shit.
01:55:23.000
So, again, to try to pull reason out of something that's flawed from the gate, you're going to
01:55:27.780
Sometimes it's just that beautiful dance between like the cat and mouse as well.
01:55:32.300
Especially when you're younger or dealing with a younger vibe.
01:55:35.320
Yeah, it's, you know, the life is caution to the wind, whatever.
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So, but ego is the base of a personality that thrives off that, ooh, is that a challenge?
01:55:50.600
Let me make you behave the way these other 10 guys behaved by the time I was done with
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And when you don't break and you, man, fuck you or you just-
01:56:02.540
It's, it's, it's, it's one ego banter after another.
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And it's never, you're never going to come to a healthy relationship with that being,
01:56:13.120
So, you're saying when it's like really bad, you're treating them really bad.
01:56:19.100
But if you guys try to sit down and have a conversation, a decent dialogue, you know,
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having dinner or with friends, there's always an argument.
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It all comes from that, that who's got the power.
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Whoever is the first, whoever's the one that's like, well, fuck you more than the other one.
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And I think that's where a lot of that, treat them like dirt, they stick to you like mud,
01:56:51.720
especially if they're insecure, or they've had a couple relationships where they got cheated on.
01:56:58.240
They're not going to say that, but that's how they feel, and their actions towards that person
01:57:01.900
they're with, they're playing that game with, is going to reflect on how they've been hurt,
01:57:10.180
There's also definitely, like, Brandon, like, I don't know if you've ever had an instance
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where, like, maybe a girl's been acting up, let's say, and you check her, and then she's,
01:57:19.860
like, turned on, like, she becomes more attracted to you when you check her, and sometimes they'll
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do that shit intentionally to fucking test you.
01:57:31.040
But it's like, to me, that's like, you want to be put in your place.
01:57:34.980
Subconsciously, women, okay, so way back in the day, and not that I'm campaigning for it.
01:57:44.200
Can you guys just be well-adjusted human beings?
01:57:48.800
They took the woman, beat her over the head with the club, drug her in the cave.
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Not that that's where shit's supposed to be or where it needs to be, but genetically,
01:57:59.280
women have a programming in their mind where they're expected, at some point, to be dominated,
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whether it's in the bedroom, being slapped, choked, whipped, all that shit, or, hey, check,
01:58:09.860
you know what, don't, like, verbally check them, maybe not embarrass them or belittle them,
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And if women don't get it in a dialogue, in a social dialogue, they're going to get it in the bedroom.
01:58:27.420
They're going to get fucking dominated one way or the other, or they're just not satisfied, period.
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No, no, I'm not saying that, like, this is what should happen.
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But it's what the cavemen did, so we should do it.
01:58:56.560
Oh, wait, you were talking, you were talking about when you drink.
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I was going to ask, totally fucking derailing the conversation.
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By the way, I like how classy this wine is, this wine is here.
01:59:18.880
Do you, when you drink the wine, do you take, is your pinky out?
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I feel like Sydney wants to just, like, put on a black spandex suit and just dominate dudes.
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Do you find it offensive or do you think there's truth behind it?
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But at some point in time, they're not going to be satisfied unless they're dominated either socially or in bed.
02:00:26.020
Based on, like, you're saying based in biology and, like, evolution-wise, it's something that we have hardwired in us?
02:00:32.340
Do you think that's an offensive point of view for a guy to say or do you think there's some truth to that?
02:00:36.820
I don't think it's – I'm not personally offended by it and I see where you're drawing that from.
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I just don't think – I think there's quite a logical fallacy behind that.
02:00:47.260
I would say that there's a lot of things that back in caveman days we were hardwired and programmed for that we –
02:00:56.480
Right, but in terms of evolution and how society is advanced, like, there's a lot of things that we've outgrown and, I mean, I think at the end of the day, like, sure, we have very primitive urges.
02:01:07.940
The urge to procreate, the urge to, you know, survive, all these things are basic survival instincts.
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Um, I would say, um, as generally speaking, I don't think that I can confidently say every single woman has the urge to be dominated.
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Personally, yeah, personally, I prefer – I prefer a man that's dominant.
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Um, but, again, I would say that with my personality, I'm pretty abrasive, so I kind of like to be – I kind of like to be the boss.
02:01:48.440
Pull your dick out sometimes and, like, wave it around?
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I think I can put a man in his place just as much as he can put me in my place.
02:01:55.900
But when you're in the bedroom, if you meet a guy and he's not willing to choke you or pull your hair or get very physical with you –
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I like to boss you and I like to boss guys around.
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I don't know if we should clap for the first part, though.
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That's the cat and mouse dance that he's talking about.
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It's the game that we're talking about, absolutely.
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I think if I can say for myself, I think the best intimacy has been when –
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because as I was healing as a survivor, I needed to be the dominatrix to feel safe.
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So I was really enjoying myself in that moment and that's probably why I attracted younger partners
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who didn't have baggage and all that sort of stuff.
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But if I'm in a safe and healthy relationship that's respectful, a little bit of slapping,
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And that – I think the best times I've ever had is where it's a mutual exchange.
02:03:09.460
I think even going one step further is this psychology where the man actually allows the
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woman to feel like she's in control, but really he's the one that is.
02:03:21.380
I saw something that said like how it's always like a joke about like, oh, like he wears
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Like one of my girlfriends said like, he wears the pants, but I sew him.
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What about it doesn't matter where you get your appetite from as long as you eat at home?
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About what I said about how women genetically –
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Yeah, no, I mean, personally, like I do prefer – I'm trying to figure out my words.
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I do prefer like a guy that's a little bit more on the dominant side just because like
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I am bossy and I am controlling and I've like come to terms with that.
02:04:18.920
But I do definitely like to kind of be put in my place in a way because like if like
02:04:24.840
I have ADHD, like I'll just like spiral and if I'm not like, you know, like like put
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in my place, it like makes that difference, you know?
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Yeah, so like it gives like a sort of like protection and a sort of safety.
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It's like check me but just as quick I can check you.
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There's a right way – agreed, there's a right way for a guy to go about it and there's
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Can you give me an example of a right way for a guy to check you in a wrong way?
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The thing is though is that like today a lot of girls will be like – they'll be more
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They'll be kind of turned on if you check them but there's kind of this new narrative
02:05:09.040
Despite that, they're probably still going to be upset at you when you check them.
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They're going to – well, they're going to feel like – like yeah, their dick's going
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When somebody checks you, it means like oh, shush.
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I mean kind of like if I'm arguing with – like I'm very single but like if I'm arguing
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with my man and – if I'm arguing with my man and we're just like going back and
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forth and he's just like – he just like puts me in my place or like – I don't
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know, like kisses me, shuts me up, like something like that, then that's a good
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way to like check you and like put you in your place.
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I don't think it needs to be like even like insulting.
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A lot of the times a good check is like Emma, you're Emma-ing and then I'm like okay.
02:05:50.100
But if they check you with a kiss, that's beautiful.
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It can be like anything just like kind of like –
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Dominant-wise, I mean my last relationship, I was the dominant one.
02:06:23.800
Because my ex was gay, so I thought I'd buy why he's asking.
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I've been asked, but you might be bi-curious and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Bottom line, it's just like if they just come up to you and shut you up in a dominant way,
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not anything bad, but a dominant way or kiss you or grab you and shut you up that way.
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What's really attractive is when we don't have to check you in the first place.
02:07:20.600
You have admitted in the past that your love life is a little –
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It's like he's mentioned like, oh, if my girl wants to go out to the club, by all means,
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I'd rather stay in on a Friday night and read a book.
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Are we talking about sex or are we talking in general?
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I'm just saying because some of the stuff you've said in the past.
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You're like, you probably take like, I'm done roasting you.
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First off, you said, if my girl went to the club, hold on.
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She would not be my girl if she went to the club.
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Because that's not something, and to each their own.
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Not dealing with a girl that's doing the nightlife thing.
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That's exactly, in your book, for like us, for like me, I like going to the club.
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Look, for a long-term serious relationship, if my girlfriend's going to the club every weekend,
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No, it's just like, I'd rather masturbate with sandpaper than go to a...
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But when it comes to going to the nightclub, I would rather masturbate with sandpaper.
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But the whole point of going to the nightclub all the time isn't to fuck.
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It's to have a good time, let Dan fucking shingle, to meet people.
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Everyone has, like, some people like to read a book.
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Brian, has your lady department been a little low lately?
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Are you saying that because I don't like to go to the club?
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You think a little hair pulling makes you fucking kinky.
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I want to tie you up and we're going to use some toys.
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But like a dom extends beyond just a guy who fucks you rough.
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So did you say you're dom or they have to be dom?
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I'm not catching a case for some sexual gratification.
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He has a tattoo BDSM bold letter like this big on his ass.
02:12:09.220
I went with my two guy best friends when I lived in Reno.
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And then I got like my like little like heart on my hip.
02:12:52.760
Who do you think has more unrealistic standards?
02:13:19.480
Who do you think has more unrealistic standards?
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But isn't like in America now, you guys are all about sort of non-gender, you know, like
02:13:44.440
So, this is what I'm trying to learn is that there's 50% of Americans who are really like
02:13:49.160
bringing that on and then there's still the other 50% that are still talking about men
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So, I don't really have an opinion on whether it's men or women.
02:14:24.360
I mean, isn't it best just to not have so many expectations, sit in the moment and just
02:14:30.740
Let's go back to ghosting for a little sec here.
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Do you think it's wrong for a guy to hook up with a girl and then ghost her?
02:14:39.700
It can be hurtful, but I think the best thing that I write about in the book is to not let
02:14:52.900
Because now you get to go and find what's more suitable for you.
02:14:59.000
I think at the end of the day, my philosophy is to try and leave a person better than you
02:15:04.320
If you're going to have any kind of interaction with them, try and leave them better than you
02:15:08.240
But if that doesn't happen and you don't get the closure chat, just make sure that you
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heal yourself so that you can pass on good juju to the next person that you're with.
02:15:19.340
I talked to you when you asked me to bring someone on why we're not friends anymore.
02:15:25.460
I had hooked up with someone multiple times and he went to her and like cut me off and
02:15:40.540
But like he told me he didn't want a relationship with me.
02:15:53.520
I started to like him, but he didn't want anything more.
02:15:58.100
And then they hung out without saying anything to me.
02:16:04.920
She came on the show and she said that she had a boyfriend.
02:16:16.580
I cut her off because I started to like him and she went behind my back and she knew.
02:16:30.460
But anyways, so he, so talk about like whenever like a guy hooks up with you and ghosts you,
02:16:35.380
a guy hooked up with me and went to my best friend.
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I, okay, I don't have, I mean, I don't, I'm talking to someone.
02:16:58.660
I think a little bit of what your mom does is just lets everybody in is rubbed on.
02:17:03.560
Can you, you're talking to a guy right now, right?
02:17:06.220
Can you give me your phone and can I see your text messages with him?
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Can I, can I make sure there's nothing bad in there?
02:17:40.180
It's like normal conversation and that's about, he's just sick.
02:17:42.080
I was like, hey, do you want me to bring you any like soup or venison or anything?
02:18:21.440
I was just trying to like ask me if he wants medicine and soup and something to take care
02:18:24.680
of himself and he, I don't know, kind of dogs out.
02:18:31.800
That's what I was going to say about standards.
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Yeah, but like sometimes if it's like that too much and they haven't.
02:18:42.040
I could drop by some medicine for you because if you don't want to get.
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But I was like, hey, do you want any like night cool, day cool?
02:18:51.760
I have some at home from like two weeks ago when I was sick.
02:19:12.000
Who do you think has more unreasonable standards, men or women?
02:19:16.660
Emma, who do you think has more, sorry, unrealistic standards?
02:19:27.520
So going around, what are your standards and preferences?
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Just list off some traits, some characteristics.
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It's kind of hard to narrow it down because I guess it depends on how I'm meeting them.
02:20:04.600
If it's a dating app, I think I have more boxes that need to be ticked.
02:20:11.180
Whereas organically, I think you can kind of vibe with someone a lot easier.
02:20:17.460
I don't think I really have like a certain, I mean, I have standards.
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It sounds so corny, but like vibes, like they have to keep up.
02:20:59.800
I mean, that's just an inch below the average female height.
02:21:50.240
I think you have to think I'm funny because I have a very certain type of humor that.
02:22:06.620
I mean, I think at the end of the day, like, dating and hooking up with is very different.
02:22:10.600
So, it's like, I've hooked up with dumb guys, but I think dating, like, you got to
02:22:29.160
I think it just keeps changing because I've been around for so long, but what it is right
02:22:35.740
What it is right now is probably attitude because I really like alpha energy, like alpha male
02:22:58.640
And somebody who is really, I guess, ambitious, but wants to do good things for the world.
02:23:06.180
So, when I speak of ambition, it doesn't necessarily have to mean currency in money, but just like
02:23:16.700
And I like what you said about being funny because we all need to lighten up, let's face
02:23:22.700
I like someone that's like my kind of funny, like the kind of funny that only I think is
02:23:41.700
So, I like, I don't know, like I like a big back.
02:23:56.440
And so, I like, definitely a guy that can make a laugh.
02:24:06.840
Like if he's nice to other people, that's a big thing for me because I've dated some guys
02:24:35.300
I really like when they're smart and have like a plan for their future and taller than
02:24:45.100
And if they don't like cats, I just, I can't be.
02:24:47.400
My mom said never trust a man that doesn't like cats because he doesn't like things he
02:24:53.200
If someone doesn't like my dog, my dog is my child.
02:24:58.400
If someone doesn't like my cat, I can't be around them.
02:25:06.480
My mom used to tell me, because men who don't like cats don't like cats because they're
02:25:11.340
Dogs are very like lovable and easy and will love you no matter what.
02:25:17.660
I'm, I'll give you so much affection, but it's on my terms.
02:25:29.820
I'm not a fan of cats, but we definitely have to say dogs over cats.
02:25:34.420
At the end of the day, dogs actually care about a human being.
02:25:38.700
Cats really can care less as long as you're feeding them and giving them attention.
02:25:42.300
They're on it, but a dog will, will know when you're hurting and know when you, when
02:25:46.800
you, when you, when you, a person will feed and give water and shelter to a dog.
02:25:52.240
And the dog will be like, oh my God, this person feeds me, shelters me.
02:25:58.640
And this cat will be like, oh my God, this person feeds and shelters me.
02:26:02.720
Also, also when you, if you die in your residence, the cat will eat you.
02:26:13.240
Can someone lower that purse from another purse?
02:26:32.000
If I cry, my dog cuddles with me and just like lays on me.
02:26:42.880
Wait, no, I cried when the guy chose my friend over me.
02:27:03.060
You know, just one thing I find really attractive when I meet a girl and I get to know her and
02:27:12.500
stuff like that is when she's able to look past a man's history and whatever he's been
02:27:22.060
through and she's like, she starts to encourage like, man, you know, you really, you could
02:27:26.220
do this and you can do that and I see it and I, she wants to, she's excited about encouraging
02:27:35.780
And not really just better because she wants you to be hers and be better for her, but she's
02:27:40.940
righteously excited about meeting you and she can see that, you know, with the right
02:27:46.020
support and the right type of, you know, companionship, you can, I could be better of
02:27:55.900
She's not too wrapped up in herself or too preoccupied with other miscellaneous shit in
02:28:01.400
her life to where she doesn't really give a shit about what you, what you do or how
02:28:08.460
You don't want someone who's obsessed, but somebody who really cares about, you know,
02:28:19.960
Behind every solid all the way around man, there's, there's, there's a righteous, a
02:28:25.540
righteous woman that like has, you know, cause men, men are strong, but men, men are weak
02:28:31.020
We have fragile egos where we have our own insecurities, whatever they are.
02:28:36.000
And, uh, a woman that dials in on that and really, uh, tends to, you know, strengthen
02:28:50.220
Good standard, be attractive, be excited about life, have ambition, have a goal.
02:28:58.660
If you don't love the beach, you're not, you're not my friend.
02:29:05.160
So let's just do a video reaction and then we'll get you out of here.
02:29:17.480
You're going to have to open up the folder for it.
02:29:28.600
You know what's so attractive about a lot of these dudes talk about fertility and looks
02:29:35.500
I think that in the modern world, in the days of old, right, you meet a woman, you get married,
02:29:40.560
In the modern world, if I meet a girl who's 33 and single, I know the amount of dick that's
02:29:45.000
been through her before me, it's just simply unattractive.
02:29:47.920
I don't care how nice you are, but you're 33 years old.
02:29:52.140
If I get a 19 year old girl, I might be your second or third man, right?
02:29:54.620
I'm going to be dude number fucking 29 and all the trauma and heartbreak and bullshit they
02:29:59.360
put you through, you're going to try and bring to my door.
02:30:01.960
Like, well, if my last man cheated, I'll give a fuck.
02:30:06.700
So if you pick up older women, you have to accept they've been on the carousel longer.
02:30:14.380
And when I see a beautiful young woman, I know that she has a very low body count.
02:30:17.960
And that, and also, no, no, but the truth is this, women's mentality is absolutely connected
02:30:23.840
If a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, it's harder to penetrate her mind and make her fall
02:30:29.700
But if she's, if she's had 30 dudes inside of her, she really didn't think, you know
02:30:34.900
Or she didn't think, you know what, he talked to me real quick, I'll just go get a new guy.
02:30:37.020
Whereas if a woman's only been with a few guys, she's much more likely to fall in love
02:30:40.260
So the likelihood of her falling completely in love with you and staying loyal to you,
02:30:44.380
and really believing you're the only man for her, after being through so much trauma
02:30:47.540
and so many men, and sleeping with so many dudes, and having her heart broken, and having
02:30:51.020
those memories of her ex, and all that crap she's been through, is far less likely than
02:30:54.760
meeting a nice, young, beautiful girl who hasn't been with many men.
02:30:57.060
And she goes, you know what, this is the guy, I like him.
02:30:59.380
Every woman who knows this, and every man who watches this, to be honest, women fall in
02:31:02.040
love with the person they lose their virginity to, or the second or third guy, they really
02:31:06.020
Any woman who slept with 50 dudes, she doesn't even remember who most of them are.
02:31:09.000
If a woman slept with a bunch of men before you, she's less likely to stick it out through a difficult period
02:31:12.280
of relationships, it's more likely to be saying, you know what, new answers we get.
02:31:17.640
If I meet a beautiful 30-year-old woman, I'm not saying I won't sleep in it.
02:31:27.460
Your reaction to it, then Andy will let you go, and then after you give your reaction,
02:31:58.620
Okay, so you want him to also adhere to those standards, not be a hypocrite.
02:32:07.540
I'm just saying, if you're disgusted by a woman that has a high body count, why can't
02:32:11.720
we be turned off by a man with a high body count?
02:32:14.500
I'll respond to that afterwards, but I do have a response to that.
02:32:19.060
Honestly, I checked out, because all I could think about is my beautiful 12-year-old boy
02:32:37.860
Yeah, I think it is definitely a double standard for sure, because I don't know, it's two people
02:33:03.480
Yeah, no, I just, I do definitely think, like, it's two people, like, having sex.
02:33:06.560
Like, the body count raises for one or the other.
02:33:09.220
Like, why is it such a big deal if, like, women have a higher body count, and then men
02:33:12.680
have, like, say, like, men have a higher body count.
02:33:15.400
Like, why is that not as judged versus if women have a higher body count?
02:33:20.340
Okay, well, I'll just, since that's kind of both your thing.
02:33:34.180
I mean, it depends on what they look like and what they, like, their personality.
02:33:39.400
Because if you're hot and you're a dude, you can, like, fuck a lot of girls.
02:33:43.140
Even an average-looking girl can run circles around a top-tier guy.
02:33:56.520
I think the guy that's a five is gonna fuck exponentially more women than a girl that's
02:34:06.020
Guys will get who they can when they can in any circumstance.
02:34:17.180
You just said a guy who's a five can sleep with more women.
02:34:23.020
I'm saying a guy that's a five will sleep with more women.
02:34:32.640
I'm saying in my experience of very mediocre men, especially in Isla Vista specifically,
02:34:38.440
guys that you could find a dime a dozen of them have...
02:34:45.320
Whereas, you know, I'm not hideously ugly, but my body count's pretty low just because
02:34:53.740
A guy who's a five is not gonna outperform a woman who's a seven.
02:35:09.360
Guys can make up for their bad looks in other ways.
02:35:12.640
So if they're incredibly charismatic or they have social status or if they have money,
02:35:17.900
those are ways in which guys can kind of make up for it.
02:35:22.080
But when it just comes down to it, it's harder for men to get laid.
02:35:35.760
I mean, in my own personal experience, I disagree.
02:35:37.920
I don't know about, like, in general, but I've found it that guys get laid easier than,
02:35:46.360
I mean, you were saying how a guy's looks can...
02:35:56.340
I'm saying with the guy I'm talking to or whatever, he's, like, not, like, the hottest
02:36:06.880
I mean, I think it's a lot easier for girls to get laid.
02:36:13.860
I don't know about everyone else's, but in mine.
02:36:15.680
I think if you used your power, too, though, because I have this argument back and forth
02:36:18.840
with one of my, like, with one of my guy friends, and, like, we've argued about this,
02:36:22.160
but he said, he's, like, if you text a guy and you're just, like, hey, you want to come
02:36:30.620
Like, I'll, like, have that thought, but I'm, like, that's a lot of effort.
02:36:47.640
Like, I think about it, but then I'm just, like, I can't.
02:36:54.660
I think guys place a lot more importance and power on the body count number, whereas women
02:37:06.340
don't, because I've had a guy tell me, personally, the same guy that was a five that was, like,
02:37:10.780
sleeping with half of Vila Vista, has literally told me directly, like, the thing that makes
02:37:15.140
you attractive to me or the thing that makes you more attractive to me is how low your body
02:37:20.900
So, that's where it's, like, it's the same thing as, like, Madonna and whore complex,
02:37:26.360
where it's, like, a man wants a woman that's, like, motherly and a Madonna, but then at the
02:37:30.200
same time, he wants a whore that's going to do the nasty things for him.
02:37:35.620
I mean, you're right that men generally care more about body count than women.
02:37:40.520
And I think, well, I think what was funny to me was that, like, okay, yes, I have a low
02:37:43.940
body count, but for me, it's because I am more of a relationship person.
02:37:47.920
Not to say that I haven't, I've had hookups before, but for me, I just didn't really understand,
02:37:53.660
like, okay, yeah, so my body count's, like, this number, and it's low, but it's because
02:37:59.120
And what makes me different for having sex with the same guy 20 times versus a girl
02:38:11.720
So, for men, I guess, generally, it's just a session.
02:38:16.100
But for girls, it's an experience, whether they liked it or not.
02:38:23.420
But for a girl, it's like, this fool's on me, like, he smelled a certain way, like,
02:38:27.240
he rubbed me, he was good in the beginning, and then it got kind of weird.
02:38:29.760
Like, they, girls dial in when guys just look at it like just another hole or holes.
02:38:36.240
But, like, I think, like, with this guy, he was like, oh, like, you know, girls in
02:38:39.340
Isla Vista, they'll go out and, like, fuck, like, 30 guys, 40 guys.
02:38:43.420
And it's like, well, like, yes, I was with one guy, but I fucked him 30, 40 times.
02:38:48.280
So, how does that make me, like, my value or my, I don't know.
02:38:55.980
There's a whole lot there, but in the same, okay, I would rather a girl sleep with one
02:39:03.780
guy 300 times than sleep with 100 guys three times.
02:39:11.340
I have to articulate why I'd prefer not to sleep with someone that's, okay, I'll articulate
02:39:17.580
I think what I, what was articulated to me, I'm sure there's, like, so many more reasonings
02:39:21.840
behind this from the male perspective, but what was articulated to me is, like, oh, well,
02:39:26.140
like, I wouldn't want you sleeping with a bunch of different guys because then that makes you
02:39:34.800
And it's, like, how am I tighter or looser based on the amount of times I've had sex,
02:39:40.540
whether it's the same person or different people.
02:39:44.880
Unless you're, like, really fucking super rough with a guy who's really well endowed.
02:39:50.820
Otherwise, like, you being, I'm pretty sure that's the cap, that whole thing.
02:39:57.200
And, um, he might have meant it, he might have meant loose in the colloquial sense.
02:40:06.620
I just think it was really weird to hear, to be put on a pedestal for a number, like,
02:40:12.180
my body count, and then hear him and, like, his guy friends trash other women for their
02:40:20.580
Or, like, can't it just be equal for everybody, basically?
02:40:25.480
As far as the whole, like, what's the difference between having a whole bunch of sex with one
02:40:30.520
guy and having sex once or just a few times with a bunch of guys?
02:40:35.020
So, I mean, here's a couple reasons why body count matters.
02:40:40.920
The more men you deal with, the more, you know, more likely to have baggage from past
02:40:47.860
You start losing, you start chipping away at your ability to pair bond.
02:40:53.600
You, you remove the intimacy from the act of sex.
02:40:58.380
If sex is just sport to you, if it's just sport fucking, then it's no longer going to
02:41:03.340
be this cherished, special, intimate thing that you do with someone that you care about.
02:41:07.620
And either have an emotional connection with or love.
02:41:13.200
But the reality is, if you just fuck 300 dudes, you think number 301 is going to feel special?
02:41:20.860
Also, it just, it's, it says something about your behavior, your decision making, your
02:41:28.760
It suggests to me that you're an impulsive individual.
02:41:31.660
If you have a high body count, if you have a high body count, it sort of necessitates that
02:41:37.240
you take part in hookup culture, you're probably less likely to be concerned about stuff like
02:41:44.480
I mean, if I'm going to roll the dice, if I'm a roll the dice and sleep with the, if
02:41:48.680
I have to choose like which one's more likely to have an STD, there's the girl who slept
02:41:52.080
with one guy and then there's a girl who slept with a hundred guys.
02:41:55.360
So it comes down to who you'd rather not wear a condom with.
02:41:57.980
I mean, body count, I don't think it matters as long as you're safe.
02:42:06.560
I mean, I think it was also just like when I, when this was a situation between me and
02:42:10.480
this guy I was seeing is that like, um, the way they were talking about other women that
02:42:15.480
were like, oh, well, all Isla Vista girls are sluts.
02:42:18.220
Like you're not a, you know, you're not a slut.
02:42:25.020
Like maybe I'm not a slut for everyone, but I, I don't know.
02:42:28.700
I just think there's like very, you, you need not be like a sexually reserved prude.
02:42:35.440
You can have a low body count and be sexually open and have a fulfilling sex life.
02:42:42.120
I think that's what was getting blurred was that like there was a certain, like being
02:42:45.880
put on a pedestal of, oh, well, like you're holier than thou.
02:42:49.160
And it's like, no, I, that's not who I am at all.
02:42:52.000
And these girls that choose to participate in hookup culture, I don't think that they're
02:42:57.980
So I think that these labels kind of get like really stuck on a person based on their body
02:43:03.880
And I don't think that that same assertions apply to men.
02:43:09.580
I'll say for me, like a high body count that suggests impulse control issues.
02:43:17.540
So for me, I'm not interested in one night stands.
02:43:24.540
Are you, are you interested in like a relationship?
02:43:36.500
Well then that makes more sense for that content.
02:43:39.920
Even if I was so inclined to have a one night stand or have a short term relationship with
02:43:45.400
that even in a one night stand, I'd still prefer to get with the girl with the low body count.
02:43:50.360
I think the context is so, especially here in Isla Vista, everyone's fucking.
02:43:54.160
I think that it's so, so common culture for guys and girls to just go crazy with hookup
02:44:01.580
But I mean, I think moving out of Isla Vista and being an adult and in the dating world
02:44:09.060
that, I mean, like what you did in college or how you were in college still like has meaning
02:44:17.260
I mean, I would, I would just say that someone who has a high body count, both men and women,
02:44:22.480
higher, there's a higher likelihood of infidelity.
02:44:25.280
So that's one, uh, there's a higher likelihood of the relationship not working out.
02:44:31.140
And if you're married, that might result in the divorce.
02:44:34.260
So especially for something really long-term life partner marriage, you're probably going
02:44:39.200
to want to find someone with a low body count, your life partner.
02:44:44.640
And I think a good way that we defined it is instead of like putting it in these boxes,
02:44:49.200
like these terms of body count or slut, or I think it's more of like for us,
02:44:58.000
You know, I think that's a good way of putting it of like someone that is for everyone.
02:45:02.500
It doesn't ascertain to sex or their behavior, or it's just like, you know, someone that is
02:45:08.980
devoted to like, you know, in your circumstance, a long-term relationship or an exclusive, whatever
02:45:16.980
But it's just, I think there's a difference between someone that is for everyone, someone
02:45:20.760
that is like, doesn't know what they want or is open to whatever it may be.
02:45:35.360
I'm not really, you're going to get canceled for being a Gemini?
02:45:41.520
My friend stick and poked it on me for funsies.
02:45:45.560
So we got, we got, we'll come back to the body count thing, but initially what set that
02:45:50.180
off is we were talking about, I said, I forgot exactly what the question was, but you said
02:45:55.540
that it's easier for men to get laid than it is for women.
02:46:00.000
So my goal tonight is to try to change your mind on that.
02:46:08.320
And you said, was it you who said a guy who's a five?
02:46:14.320
Who said the one, who, who's the one who said that a guy who's a five can get with
02:46:22.820
Let me, I think a guy with mediocre looks and mediocre personality, especially in this
02:46:35.640
What are you, a guy like, trust me, I've seen it.
02:46:41.720
I've, there's a, there's a lot of truth to that.
02:46:43.620
I, especially here, maybe it's different across like a, you know, like global context, but
02:46:49.240
in this cultural context in Isla Vista, I see men that look like my fucking foot and
02:46:54.460
I see them like, fuck everything that moves without even trying.
02:47:00.240
No, with no game, with no game, with no riz, with no personality, with no looks.
02:47:08.580
There is, there are girls who are eights, nines, tens, throwing themselves at these mediocre
02:47:13.620
ass men, especially if they're in a frat, especially if they're assholes, like men that
02:47:17.420
are just subpar that are getting so much action.
02:47:24.660
Like, no, like if they're trying to like get at women, like they have a.
02:47:38.540
It's, it's a bit easier in college, but I mean, it's a social environment that is conducive
02:47:50.060
However, if we're speaking in generalities here, even in college, it is harder for men
02:48:02.180
Thank God she left because she would have flipped her shit about all the fives and the
02:48:08.760
It's extremely difficult for a man to get a lot of girls, but it's incredibly easy for
02:48:18.760
Like if a guy texts me at like midnight or whatever, like come over, I'm not going.
02:48:24.480
Well, especially a guy you've never hooked up with before, correct?
02:48:29.320
No, no, but more specifically, a guy you've never hooked up with before and he's like,
02:48:38.040
But if I do the same, they're coming right over.
02:48:40.740
I've said this before and I'll say it again, guys, it's 10 p.m. on a Tuesday in Santa Barbara.
02:48:45.680
All four of you, if you were so inclined, could fuck a guy, a brand new guy that you've never
02:48:58.560
Based on this chat, I think I'm so insufferable that not even, even if I was a 10.
02:49:06.740
I had a long-term abusive relationship for all of college.
02:49:14.040
I dated a 27-year-old with mediocre looks who was mean to me.
02:49:22.720
But I had a guy text me yesterday around like 7 p.m.
02:49:27.940
You say you're abrasive, but just to get laid, just, sure, that might preclude guys from wanting
02:49:35.440
Yeah, but me getting laid would have to be me shutting the fuck up for at least more than
02:50:06.840
Guys will never be honest about what they actually want.
02:50:16.360
Okay, that right there is the realest thing, I think.
02:50:18.240
Okay, let me, I'm trying to think how I'm going to, are you currently seeing someone
02:50:30.160
No, I haven't had any, so much as a kiss with anyone.
02:50:49.020
Wait, okay, so let me just go around once more.
02:51:27.480
Honestly, all those compliments earlier, that, that made me feel good.
02:51:38.600
What did you call me, like a girl boss or something?
02:51:46.560
Tell me I'm outspoken, guys, and I could be yours.
02:51:53.840
You should have had it down the whole show, by the way.
02:52:03.120
Oh, I would, if my hair's in a bun, oh, it's not coming down.
02:52:31.120
I'm looking like a different person in two weeks.
02:52:37.260
Well, I feel like she might be saying that just to challenge my point.
02:53:15.680
Well, it's all over the place because it's been in a fucking bun, my guy.
02:53:18.540
You probably need about five minutes in the bathroom to get it.
02:53:38.040
I don't think anyone else could take their hair out of a slicked back bun in two seconds
02:53:45.220
Okay, let me get soup chats and we'll come back to the easier thing for a little bit.
02:53:55.320
Big boy used fake pics to get his fat ass through the door and then used his personality to stay.
02:53:59.700
If a woman pulled that shit on me, she's getting the door slammed.
02:54:16.200
Brian, can you go around and ask the panel if they're bi-curious?
02:54:40.740
I don't think anyone on this side of the table is.
02:55:04.340
You've got that, like, 80s, 90s glam look going.
02:55:13.560
We have Hobosexual here with the $10 Soup Chat.
02:55:20.900
Like, it's always the, it's always the ran-throughs that have something to say.
02:55:30.320
Michael Trilstein, thank you for the $10 Soup Chat.
02:55:32.900
Donnie T, going to free Joey E, so Joey B should pardon.
02:55:43.720
He actually told me that he has a crush on you.
02:55:51.300
I'll meet him, but I don't think I'll go any further than that.
02:56:20.700
He's like, are you on the pod for a little bit?
02:56:29.540
He looks like someone that you actually hooked up with?
02:56:37.080
I didn't hook up the guy that he looks like, but the guy he looks like was someone that I know.
02:56:47.340
These chicks really don't understand the struggles an average man goes through just to get boxed.
02:56:51.100
Even once a year, men will F women they don't like.
02:56:57.940
And that will bring us back to me trying to convince these girls that it's harder for men to get laid.
02:57:10.440
Eric, can you pull up the video tab really quick?
02:57:19.400
Oh, do you want to watch the Tate clip or where are you going?
02:57:32.760
Let's react to some regular chats while we're...
02:57:43.380
I just can't get my words out properly and so people just hit on me.
02:57:56.740
By the way, can we get some ones in the chat for...
02:58:13.340
I think I invited Eric to be on the panel once, but then...
02:58:19.520
And if you're a member, can we get some Pepe Crown emojis for Eric?
02:58:56.540
Wait, say it louder, Eric, so they can hear you.
02:58:59.400
Eric, have you ever gotten with any of the girls on the pod?
02:59:15.780
Wait, Jabba, can I hook you up with Eric or what?
02:59:46.880
It's probably at the bottom, towards the bottom.
02:59:53.500
I don't think most women can actually genuinely understand how lonely...
03:00:15.180
As much as you might be unhappy with the possible suitors, you can at least fuck about
03:00:21.700
There are men out here in the world who have genuine moments.
03:00:28.500
Why do you think it's all the men killing themselves compared to the women?
03:00:38.120
That's a clip from their podcast with Andrew Tate.
03:00:41.000
He didn't really drop a whole bunch of bombs, but look...
03:00:49.900
You just don't know, of course, but it's like...
03:01:00.360
Think of the guys that you reject, that you turn down.
03:01:09.800
But that's why it's harder for men to get laid.
03:01:24.140
Like, first time meeting him, he's like, yeah, I want to fight.
03:01:29.020
Have you ever been talking to a guy you just met, first date, and you don't want to...
03:01:38.480
He's trying to go for it, and you're just like, no.
03:01:46.000
So, and that's fine, but every time the guy goes for it, you fuck.
03:02:01.800
He just doesn't want to get to that point of them doing it.
03:02:40.100
I don't disbelieve it, but that's some outlier shit.
03:02:52.200
Like, am I going over there knowing that we're just going to hook up?
03:03:10.340
After, like, a few dates and I've wanted to have sex with them, they've been like, no.
03:03:21.840
So then you all of a sudden wanted to fuck, and they didn't?
03:03:39.940
It's one thing if you want sex, but if you don't communicate that, whereas guys will,
03:03:44.340
like, guys, we will initiate, and then the girl will say no, and then, you know,
03:03:49.060
we'll obviously wait till next time or whatever.
03:03:52.060
So, you said you, did you, okay, you wanted to have sex, did you make a move on the guy,
03:04:09.960
I mean, I don't think that's an impossible scenario, but it's probably an outlier situation.
03:04:15.700
To be fair, I've only been on a date with a very few amount of guys.
03:04:19.620
I've only, like, had sex with a very few amount of guys, so my, like, perspective on
03:04:33.860
I met, I mean, the guy I'm talking to, I barely met him, like, last weekend, and, like,
03:04:39.640
he, we were, like, making out or whatever, and he's like, let's go to my room, and I
03:04:43.620
I told him, like, hey, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna have sex with you.
03:04:46.980
I left, whatever, next, next day, see him again.
03:05:03.700
I can't remember me, I don't think a guy, I mean, guys will fuck anything.
03:05:12.540
But, no, I don't think it's, I don't think a guy's ever telling me, like, no.
03:05:17.540
Is it attractive when you're kicking it with a guy, and he's not going out of his way to
03:05:24.920
Isn't that why you fucked him after the third day in the morning?
03:05:45.440
Yeah, like, we were, like, but, like, I liked how slow he went.
03:05:48.000
Like, he didn't even kiss me until, like, the third or fourth date.
03:05:51.240
So, like, it was, like, almost, like, really, like, like, it was, like, I was slightly irritated
03:05:58.020
But then I was also, like, this is really nice that it's, like, going so slow.
03:06:02.040
I do think you guys are a bit on the younger side, so I do think that there's an explanation
03:06:09.980
When guys are really, if they're inexperienced, or maybe they're scared to make a move, then
03:06:29.520
Like, I mean, I remember when I was 17, 18, like, it took me a little longer to, you know,
03:06:36.600
make a move to go for the kiss because I was a bit more nervous about it.
03:06:47.400
I mean, like, definitely, like, not on the same, but I was saying, like, guys making their
03:07:18.220
I would say, like, I don't believe that it's easier for men.
03:07:42.880
Well, dating apps would be a good way to do it.
03:07:48.640
We could go outside right now on the street right here.
03:08:05.720
I mean, this would work better in a party type environment.
03:08:22.900
Like, for example, none of you could be my agents in getting me pussy.
03:08:31.160
You could not go up to a girl on my behalf and say, do you see that guy over there?
03:08:39.880
Sydney, that's what, yeah, that's exactly what I'm about to say.
03:08:42.040
If you went up to a girl on my behalf, the girl would be like, he's a pussy.
03:08:56.240
Like, I go out to the bar on college night with, like, one of my guy buddies and, like,
03:09:03.420
But, no, like, coming from, like, as a woman, like, if another girl came up to me and be
03:09:07.380
like, oh, my God, like, hey, that guy over there, he's, like, really into you.
03:09:12.280
I'd be like, well, come to me and, like, say it yourself.
03:09:14.180
Like, it's different than me as a woman, like, going up to him and shooting my shot versus
03:09:17.620
another girl being like, hey, you should go shoot your shot.
03:09:20.200
Because it's like, well, why doesn't he want to do it to me himself?
03:09:22.680
Sydney, did you say you've made a, or a guy made you wait?
03:09:28.280
Well, I literally, actually, I need advice on this.
03:09:49.480
Do you have to turn off your birth control alarm?
03:09:56.020
Um, obviously I've never had a guy make me wait, but, uh, my last like situationship,
03:10:02.720
it was a situation where there was a lot of like physical chemistry and a lot of sexual
03:10:08.880
Um, but, and like, it's not, we, I think we were both really horny for each other and
03:10:15.760
But when it came down to having sex, he was like, no.
03:10:19.380
Wait, so you're, you said you were asking for advice.
03:10:27.540
Well, no, it was a guy I was seeing after my ex.
03:10:35.340
It was just a very strange situation because he didn't want to have sex.
03:10:41.780
So how many dates or how many times did you hang out before?
03:10:47.320
We basically hung out consistently for like two weeks.
03:10:51.220
We hung out with each other every single day and like stayed over at each other's places
03:10:56.600
like every single night and not to get like too graphic, but like for most of our like
03:11:02.340
cuddles and stuff, like we obviously like made out and had cuddles.
03:11:13.260
I'm going to pretend like you didn't just make my dick go soft.
03:11:21.240
So this is like recent because I was like not ready to see anyone after my ex.
03:11:24.820
And then I like recently clicked with someone where it was like out of nowhere.
03:11:29.000
It was just like, oh my God, this guy's so cute.
03:11:35.200
We were like inseparable every day for like two weeks.
03:11:39.760
And then I was like, okay, when I was finally like, okay, I'm ready to have sex with this
03:11:54.360
I didn't want to pry because I feel like in those situations, men do get like performance
03:12:02.080
And I've had situations where men like aren't able to perform because.
03:12:10.820
Like I, my first ex was like, I thought it was, I literally like point blank was like,
03:12:22.820
He's like, oh, I haven't been like with a girl.
03:12:33.680
Like, I don't think that's a legitimate reason.
03:12:46.320
I think, I think, I think that kind of dude watches too much porn, jerks off too much.
03:12:52.140
Like from a girl's perspective and from a guy's perspective, what is the real deal?
03:12:55.360
What is the real thing that I'm not being told that they're telling me?
03:13:00.220
Let's start with the first scenario that you gave.
03:13:02.620
So you were kind of doing these cuddle sessions, hanging out all the time with this guy.
03:13:23.880
Like he wasn't taking your clothes off or what?
03:13:35.060
And there was like a situation where I was like.
03:13:36.800
I decided to escalate it because it would get like right up into that.
03:14:10.860
Like I know when a guy just like wants head or wants to like whatever.
03:14:13.840
But there was like clearly such an emotional connection.
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And like the fact that he was like always horny around me.
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I don't want to like say his side of the story.
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Because I feel like that would like expose a private part of what he was struggling with.
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But like the story he gave me of like why he couldn't have sex or like he basically his whole.
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Like I was like, I literally dead ass was like at the end.
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How many total times did you hang out with him?
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I don't want to see her more than twice a week.
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But like the thing was like we would try to have sex.
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Was that like he was like oh I have a lot of performance anxiety.
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That's what I'm saying is he obviously doesn't have problems down there.
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Because he was so horny for me and all the time.
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Like anytime he'd see me with my clothes like half off or off he'd be like oh my god.
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See that's what like girls will claim like that's not a body.
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So maybe you'd give him head whatever he's bricked up.
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And then as you were like getting on top or like going for it.
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Maybe if you're staying right here with him anyways.
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I'm gonna text that guy that I didn't work out with.
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Well you did recommend we should get more into the.
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Can I do the video where I go up to you guys like what the fuck?
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Can you play the Andrea asking for excess of video?
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I just want to ask you guys if you would be down to have sex with me.
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Like literally my house is like right over there.
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So, yeah, it'll be like really quick, like 15 minutes.
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That was a video that we produced many years ago.
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I just thought you were cute, and I want to know if you wanted to have sex.
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No, I never thought you were really cute, and I want to know if you want to have sex with me.
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I just thought you were cute, and I just wanted to know if you wanted to have sex.
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I'm not from around here, so I don't know the custom.
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Well, I did do it in IV, but just the clip that I have, I did it once in IV, and then
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So a few of those clips were from France, but I did do it in IV, and the results were
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And when I say bad, I mean zero out of a hundred bad.
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And then I had another guy do it, who I think is more attractive than me, also zero out of
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I think if I went out right now and said, do you want to have sex with me?
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They might ask, why are you filming a whatever, are you filming a whatever video?
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I mean, it is kind of a very blunt way to say it.
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But if you played it more like, hey, would you be down to hook up?
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That, like, even the phrasing would probably change it.
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If it's positive that, like, women that are partaking in hookup culture are so gross and
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stuff, then, like, why would anyone want to hook up with me if I was just putting it
03:24:52.480
Well, that would bring it back to body count, right?
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That would bring it back to the body count discussion.
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I think if you did walk around, you're a club promoter, aren't you?
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I mean, you could probably sleep with 90% of the guys that come to your, is the club
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Yeah, you could sleep with, you're an attractive woman, you could sleep with, like, 90%
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Okay, not 90, but we get a lot of, I do, like, table reservations and bottle service,
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And most of our high rollers are all married men, so they basically, they like a little
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Why would you go to the club if you go, if you're married?
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It's like, they like a little flirt and a tease, but nothing more.
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If he's having a guys night and he goes to a club, what's wrong with that?
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You brought it back to the body count thing there for a little bit.
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Depending on what you're looking for, but in general, no.
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You said earlier that you have a low body count.
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If I were to ballpark it, it would probably be.
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I'm not going to lose track of the three people I've slept with.
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Yeah, I've slept with my serious boyfriends, obviously.
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Just for, like, my own, like, personal, like, privacy.
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Well, wasn't it, like, 33 the last time you were on?
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So, by the time you're 30, do you think your body count will be, like, 100?
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I want you to get in touch with me when you're 30.
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And I want you to tell me what your body count is.
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I mean, Brandon, do you want to share your body count?
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I mean, 11 years of not being around women, period.
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Well, can you really quickly tell us, remember that story you told me over the phone when we
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were speaking a couple weeks ago with the guard?
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There was a female CO when I was in prison in Saladon, and she was actually my supervisor.
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I'm already nine, ten years into my term, so I'm a seasoned convict.
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And, you know, we, there was a mutual attraction, and it went beyond the other staff.
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It went beyond, you know, my Sally or my homeboys telling them anything.
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We were, we were, we were just very into each other.
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There was a lieutenant that was into her and started to notice I was a little too close
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Put me in a situation where I actually ended up in the hole for about six months behind
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And I got out of the hole, went to a different yard.
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She found out I was on that yard, put in to get her transfer from where she was to where
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And then we were just on the yard for about a year, just like, like, in love with each
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other, but could never express it, could never have a private moment, could never, it was
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always just, she would get off her shift at two o'clock, and right at, like at one o'clock,
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She would walk backwards with her partner on purpose.
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I would finish my workout and walk the opposite way so that every time we hit the track twice
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in a row, we'd, we'd, you know, she'd sip some water.
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She'd sip some water and throw her eyes to the left to look at me, and I would do the
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same through my glasses, and that's, that's all we ever had.
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I hope that when I go to prison, someone will want to hook up with me.
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It was, I mean, everybody hated her because she was such a bitch, but it was a front, and
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There's a lot of little things that happened in between that.
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I checked her a couple times, and she loved it, and right then and there, I knew, like,
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if, if I was in the street, I could, she, she, she would be mine.
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Can you tell us about, wasn't there like a other CEO that was feeling her, and he made
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He was a lieutenant, and he just was a little prick type dude, and he would see me go in
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her bathroom because I would clean her bathroom.
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I actually waxed it up and painted it all sick and shit.
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We were on lockdown, so I just went nuts with the paint and hooked it up for her.
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I thought that was prison slang for something else.
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That's, that's, that's like our, our job as porters is to clean the day room, the showers,
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No, there, there, there's a staff, there's a staff restroom behind the, behind the, the
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Because, you know, she had like her purse and private shit, and she don't trust anybody.
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When I paroled, I never, I never, I never, I never heard.
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Last thing, Jabba, do you want to say anything to the friend who backstabbed you?
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The thing was that he didn't want anything with me, but then I was like, hey, because,
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he called me and was like, hey, like, I know you found out about it, but I wanted to talk
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And I was like, hey, she's not a hookup person.
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Like, she's not going to just hook up with you.
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I'm like, so, but you didn't want anything else more than with me, but you want more
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Like I was mentioning before, social media, there's a lot of real, everybody's real, but
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Like, until you meet somebody and get a feel for who they are, like the real them, don't
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make any kind of serious judgment calls on yourself, how they make you feel, if they ghost
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And if you're not seeing somebody face to face and expressing real human shit, don't put
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You could have been doing anything else, but you're here with me.
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We will be live again Thursday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
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And Spearmint Rhino, Santa Barbara, open seven days a week.
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Yeah, if you want to know my real body count, DM me.
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Guys, like the video and leave a comment on your way out for algorithm-
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Oh, I already said that for the algorithm, whatever.