Dating Talk #41
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Summary
In this episode of Whatever Happened, we are joined by Jade, Alexis, Jasmine, and Tara to talk about their college life, their college experiences, and what they are up to now. We also have a special guest on the show for the first time in a while, Maya!
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La donna è mobile, qual piume al vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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Sempre un'amabile, legge addroviso, impianto inriso e menzognero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piume al vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piume al vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piume al vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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So, please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
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So, you can go ahead and check out that link at really.jade with three L's.
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I'm an admin assistant for a city here in the area.
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It was just name, age, occupation, and or school major.
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Oh, I already graduated in business management.
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Um, I go to UCSB and SBCC, and I'm a poli-sci major.
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I'm an early childhood education major, and I work as a receptionist at an else one.
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I'm a senior at UCSB studying philosophy and psychology, and I'm working as a waitress at, like, a local restaurant.
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And you got, you, this is your fourth time back on the show.
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I mean, I haven't seen her, I haven't seen her since.
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Wait, she banned you because you guys got into beef on the show?
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Yeah, she banned me from backstage on Saturday nights.
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I, I, maybe it was just in the heat of the moment.
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Um, by the way, guys, we've been experiencing some issues with the gifted membership.
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Or if you hit the join button, you don't have to join, but you, there's, uh, three dots
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But on, on Twitch, it's, um, totally different.
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Even if you're not even in the stream, they'll allow, uh, memberships.
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So, anyways, um, by the way, guys, all the girls' Instagrams are in the description.
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Yeah, if there's any sugar mamas, which is probably, like, 1% of all sugar people in
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I guess, uh, instead of any sugar mamas, if there's any women with large labia, DM me.
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Um, so, current relationship status, longest relationship.
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Well, I'm technically single, but, um, it's a situation ship.
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Um, I am on a dating app, but, like, I don't really go on it because, like, it's kind of
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Um, and then my longest relationship, I think, has been, like, a year and a half.
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So, like, we kind of end it right away once we find out that they cheat.
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I just like to, you know, all my different types of personalities that I have, you know,
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Um, so you said most of your relationships you've been cheated on?
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Like, I mean, how many of you guys have been cheated on?
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Everyone here has, have you never been cheated on?
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I was going to say, we tend to be a little bit more loyal.
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Actually, I saw a study that's, I saw a study that said that women cheat more than men.
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Not, not by, not by a large margin, but they do edge out men a little bit more.
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And so, you're, you're in a complicated relationship.
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Well, so like, I met a guy here and I just don't want to commit because my last relationship,
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I, it was a guy I met my first year of college and he kind of just roped me in real quickly.
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Um, and I, he just like would not let me go out by myself, like very controlling, very manipulative.
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And so, I wasn't able to get out of that relationship until I, it was the summer and I was like away from him.
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So, I broke up with him and now I kind of just want to be single, but like I love to have emotional connections with people.
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And like, I like to have a particular person I'm with, but I just don't want to have the title, I guess.
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So, how long have you been seeing this curtain, curtain?
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Well, have you guys established that like you're only seeing each other?
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I, I tell him that like, I don't see anyone and I don't think he sees anyone else, but like, we both are like, we don't want to be in a relationship because like, we both came out of a relationship not too long ago.
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So, I think we both kind of understand that with each other, but I'm pretty sure we're both only seeing each other.
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Because you have to like weave through the guys that are like just trying to text you and then you have to weave through the guys that are like actually going to pay you.
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Do you not, do they not pay like just to talk to you?
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Yeah, it takes a while to get something like that.
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I was going to say, because like on OnlyFans, guys just pay to talk to me.
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So, but I have thought about doing that because I think that'd be fun, honestly.
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Pay me to go out to dinner with you and you pay for dinner.
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I was in a two-year relationship that just recently ended.
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The relationship, I would say, was fairly great.
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But I think I just kind of wanted to get my career going.
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And again, being in Fresno, there wasn't that much opportunity.
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So I wanted to move out here and I scored the job.
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We tried to do long distance and he was super supportive about it.
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Never once did he fight me about it, which I honestly greatly support.
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So then it just didn't work out, which was unfortunate.
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And with the dating apps, I used that to kind of meet people out here.
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I have no family, no friends out in Santa Barbara.
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So that gave me some outlets for seeing some cool spots out here.
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But I noticed that it wasn't really successful in the long-term relationships.
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So you were previously on the dating app, but no longer?
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I think my longest relationship is about nine months.
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But I found that they're easier and safer and better ways to find what you need to find
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So have you found what you need to find off of not on seeking, but more organically?
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I posted a video and I was wearing this dress and I didn't really watch it.
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I swear to God, I watched it a million fucking times before I posted it because I'm obsessed
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And all of a sudden I realized I was getting like a lot of views and a lot of likes.
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Like, and then I go and I look and everyone in the comments is like, turn your screen up,
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A month later, I was getting paid $1,000 a month to just talk to him.
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So he was paying you $1,000 a month just for you to send him feet pics.
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Unfortunately, I did have a full-time job at the time and I was in school.
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When they're constantly texting you, like I'm on my shift and they're like, no, you need
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Like, did you ever meet up in person or was this all digital?
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You should have told him if you want me to text you that much, then you need to up my
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And so you guys, did he ever push for the meetup or no?
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He asked a few times, but I just, I don't know him.
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So you just sent him feet pics or did you send him nudes too?
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Well, I did send nudes, but they weren't ever mine.
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And so you were 18, though, when you were sending all this stuff.
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And that was your only arrangement with someone?
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No, for me, like, as a guy, it's like, here's a girl.
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I actually have thought about this a lot myself.
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And I genuinely believe it's something going on with them.
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I feel like if they're paying you, then they have this sense of control.
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Like, it's someone with deep-rooted issues, whether that comes to women or their own security.
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And this is an assured way to have a pretty girl constantly talking to you.
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So it's control, it's attention, and it's just constant reassurance.
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I think, honestly, no offense to anyone in the chat here.
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I think anyone with a foot thing, off-rip, there's a little something funny going on.
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But then, like, some guys want big feet or nice feet, ugly feet.
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It also might not be your, like, people's fall if they have a foot fetish.
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Because, like, in your brain, where, like, your brain processes touch of your genitals,
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your feet are actually located right next to where the genitals are located.
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Like, a map in your brain of where you feel touched.
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So some people just, like, have their brain, like, accidentally associate, like, feet with
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their genitals because they just have a new brain next to each other.
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So that's your only sugar daddy situation, though, that you've had.
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Two states away, a thousand bucks a month, feet pics, convo.
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Oh, he definitely isn't smart enough to do that.
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But, like, we're both not ready to be in a relationship.
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I only downloaded it again so I could send pictures to...
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So, those of you who said you're single, do you have a sneaky link, though?
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It's like a consistent hookup, but it's the same person.
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I mean, I wish that kind of would change, honestly.
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How would he feel, though, if he was watching and he heard you just say those things?
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No, I wouldn't say, like, sneaky link how you mean sneaky link.
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I guess I wouldn't mean it that way, either, technically.
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I'm just going on, like, dates, but it's not, like, someone I have sex with.
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Well, I feel like women can be friends with guys,
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Because I feel like guys tend to put themselves around girls they already find attractive.
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So, there's already, like, some sexual intention behind that.
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And I feel like girls tend to become friends with guys who want to get with them,
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I feel like that's so common, like, because when I was friends with people in high school
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who were guys, like, they all obviously wanted to sleep with me, and they would make it really
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It's kind of hard to say, because originally I would probably say, no, they can't be friends.
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I think most cases, like, you always develop feelings, whether it's one-sided or not.
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However, like, I do have one guy friend, and we've always remained friends for the longest time.
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There's never been, like, any tendencies, and he just recently got engaged, and we're still friends.
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And I'm cool with his fiancée, and all that's great.
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But, like, I think that's just, like, a rare, rare instance, but I feel like most cases it never works out that way.
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I have no intention of having sex with them, and they don't want to fuck me.
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I mean, it's not, like, it's quite a middle school question you had there.
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I don't think if you are into someone that you're friends with, then you're not friends with them.
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If you're friends with someone, then you're friends with them.
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If you're into them and attracted to them, that's not a friendship.
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I mean, you can say that, but the thing is, is that a lot of, and I sort of agree with her on this, in that women, I suppose, could be friends with men.
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But I think a lot of the times when you have male-female platonic relationships, you often find that the guy secretly wants to get with the girl.
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I'm sure you guys have maybe had instances where you've had male friends, and you might be friends with them, but you know, if given the opportunity, he would sleep with you.
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Well, yeah, and then I wouldn't be friends with them.
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If a man wants to sleep with me, I'm not going to be friends with them.
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I'm like, maybe I should have just, like, cut it earlier.
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That's how I feel right now, because, like, it's funny that you brought this up, because I used to have, like, a whole group of guy friends.
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And I generally, none of them wanted, like, I didn't want them.
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But I had already known that, and we had already, like, been through it.
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We knew that that was out, and, like, whatever.
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But then the other day, like, or, like, two weeks ago, I started talking to this guy again, and, like, we were friends.
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And he made it very, very known that, like, I'm not, like, trying to sleep with you or get with you or any type of way.
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But then, like, he started to give those hints that, like, oh, but I know that you're so, I know you have such nice facial features.
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And I'm like, why is that the way you're going to tell me I'm pretty?
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Like, you were going to say I have nice facial features?
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And, like, yeah, because then you go on to the topic about, like, you know, but do I let it slide?
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And, like, I have been letting it slide this past couple of days.
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And, like, literally last night, I think he invited me over, and he was like, honestly, like, I'm going through shit.
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But then he turned it into, like, I want someone to cuddle with.
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And I'm like, eh, not answering your text message anymore.
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Um, I heard a quote in time that I do think is true.
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It was something like, um, your guy best friend or the girl best friend for guys is just, like, the stand-in until you get a boyfriend.
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And I'm, I don't, I kind of think, I don't know, I feel like that kind of happened to me, like, at one point.
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Not, it might not be, like, as, like, it might even not even be intentional.
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But just having guys, I don't know, having friends of the opposite sex, I gotta be honest, I feel like it fills in that, like, validation, attention gap that is a win-win for both people.
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But I do think there's always, like, inherent sexual attraction there.
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And then that's part of what makes, what is a friend?
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So, honestly, maybe you enjoy getting that, like, validation and attention from someone from the opposite sex.
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I feel like it just also depends on your personality.
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Because, like, me, when I get with someone, I cut off anyone that I have feelings for in, like, a sexual sort of way.
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Because, like, I don't even want to give myself the chance to, like, fuck, mess up.
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So, I think it just depends how you are as a person, like, who you choose to surround yourself with.
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Because, you know, you don't always have to surround yourself with people that, like, you're going to find sexually attractive.
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If you just have a good time, you can just be friends.
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Also, with that, like, personality thing, it does depend on your personality.
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I, when I go to a guy, they'll know if I like them.
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And they'll know if I'm, like, you're my fucking boy.
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Let's go fucking toss around the, like, pigskin.
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Like, that's very different than, like, you want to come over later?
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I feel like most girls actually talk more like a man when they're trying to establish that friendship zone.
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You can never be caught dead saying that in public, like, on a normal day.
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But, like, when I'm trying to establish that friendship.
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So many guys have been, like, she talks like a doobie.
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Some guys might misinterpret that, though, and think you're being, you're interested.
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So, there's a bit of division here on this one.
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So, who thinks that men and women can be just friends?
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Do any of you have, like, one or two really close guy friends?
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Would you guys be willing to text them right now and say, hey, are you down to hook up?
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If they say yes to hooking up with you, are they really friends?
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Okay, well, I'm not going to say that because they are friends with me and they would run
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You could just tell them, like, in two hours, like, hey, that was, like, for the podcast.
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You could literally see me on the podcast being asked that.
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Oh, I don't think she's worried about the repercussions.
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No, I'm just worried about them being, like, that's weird that you would text me.
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Well, they won't think it's weird if you just tell them, like, someone told me to.
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I mean, they would if you're, like, oh, I'm doing a podcast.
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I mean, you don't even necessarily have to do it.
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But think in your mind, if you texted some of your male friends and you said, hey, you
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down to come over, cuddle, hang out, however you would word it organically, how many of them
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And it's weird because I literally only go over.
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I watch Netflix while he sits on his computer and plays games.
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Like, we're cool enough to, like, we just want each other's presence.
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But then, like, we're disconnected because I'm on Netflix.
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But I know that, like, if I text him that, like, he's like, where you at?
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Yeah, I used to be friends with, like, this big group of guys when I was with my ex last
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year and I hung out after my ex and I had broken up, I started hanging out with my one of my
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And I, like, saw that he was trying to make moves.
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And, like, there was one point where, like, watching a movie together, we're on the bed
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And he's just like, you know, I want to stretch my legs out.
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Like, sometimes the guys won't act like they want you.
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And then once you're available, they'll be like, hop on that, you know?
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Because, like, as soon as they find out you don't have a boyfriend, then they're, like, quick with it sometimes,
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Because they know that they're the placer or, like, they're the holder until you get into another relationship.
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I can do a little quick text message to one or two of your guy friends.
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Don't make it seem like, make it seem like it's legit, you know?
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And if it's legit, it's going to take me a minute.
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I don't think they would believe it if she was, like, would you be down here?
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And I feel like him reading it would be, like, something, someone stole their phone.
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Or you could be, like, are you down to come over tonight?
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What about, like, a what are you doing tonight, winky face?
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What are you doing later tonight, winky face, where it's not, like, super overt, but it's kind of.
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Because, like, the group of guy friends I have, they're all besties.
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So, I know damn well they're going to take a screenshot and send it to their group chat.
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His contact name is dad, who's obviously not my father.
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No, I mean, literally, if I did it, it would not serve a purpose, like, at all.
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He would say definitely no, and he'd be thrown off.
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His fiance would probably send a text to me now.
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Obviously, your male friends that have partners are going to, I mean, more than likely.
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He said, huh, and then he sent a picture of Luke Skywalker and then said, no, you're autistic.
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I mean, what are you doing later tonight with the winky fest?
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I don't have any, like, guy friends at the moment, or I'm not guy friends with him.
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He's guys that I would be friends with, I do actively know, would probably just want
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Candice in the chat says that you ruined it because you said LOL.
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Shout out to Candice, the fucking top, one of the top mods.
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Okay, we're going to move on from that, but sort of related, and if you guys want to send
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the text and let me know once you get a response, but do you guys, related to this, do you think
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it's kind of a red flag or a concern if someone that you're pursuing has a really close friend,
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a best friend, maybe, that's of the opposite sex?
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I was, like, I, like, had, you know, just guy friends for a while, and, yeah, no, honestly,
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But especially if it's a best friend, like, yes, that's my answer.
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I say also yes, because, like, the guy I was talking about that, like, I lay on the
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bed, and then he watches, or he plays games, like, we've had a thing for, like, a while.
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Like, we go off and on to, like, being hookups, and then, like, he's in a relationship, I'm in
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As soon as we both break up, like, that's our, like, we're go-tos, but we're also best friends.
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Like, when we're in relationships, we're still cool, and we respect each other's boundaries,
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but then as soon as, like, you know, you're ended, then, like, we get together, so, like,
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I just don't trust it, because, like, I just feel like you never know if it's a best friend,
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and, like, you guys are best friends for a reason, and, like, maybe you don't see each
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other physically, but then eventually, like, maybe at one point, like, you like each other's
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personality so much that, like, something could happen.
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I think it depends on both the person of the opposite sex in question and the person
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If I trust this person completely, and I know their personality is, like, oh, this is just
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a person I'm friends with, or if, like, you're kind of one of those playa guys, and we're in
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a relationship, and your best friend's, like, a cute little blonde, that's a no from me.
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I would say the same, best friends, total suss.
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And, in fact, I felt I've been the girl best friend, and that's the one, the fiancé.
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And I had to establish such a hard, like, I was very, like, adamant about establishing
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a friendship with her, because I just did not want her to think, like, there was going
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That was going to turn up a bit, and, yeah, but, again, I think it's just a circumstance
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Yeah, I feel like you can tell by, like, the guy you're trying to get with, and, like, who
00:34:43.480
Like, if you were coming up to me as, like, the girl best friend, and were like, hey, I want
00:34:47.560
to be friends with you, I'd be like, I'd feel more comfortable.
00:34:51.020
You know, I would appreciate that, because you're understanding that it could be a weird
00:34:54.640
circumstance, and you want it, you're acknowledging it, so it makes me feel more comfortable.
00:35:04.780
There was a girl, girlfriend, you know, homegirl that one of my, like, exes used to have,
00:35:09.880
and one time, I'm in my boyfriend at the time's room, like, under the cover.
00:35:15.620
She comes in drunk, comes in, like, super drunk, sits on his lap, is like, oh, I love
00:35:20.800
you, blah, blah, blah, like, my ex's name, and he's like, whatever, just sits on his lap.
00:35:26.220
I, sorry for slamming the table, I literally get up, walk out there, and I slam the door,
00:35:31.580
like, and she tries to, like, come in to put her phone, like, she's like, can I charge
00:35:36.440
I pick up the phone, I go outside, I say, I'm sorry, his, he's, like, using his phone
00:35:48.840
I just want the girls that go out of their way to, when they first meet, be like, oh,
00:35:52.980
my God, you're his girlfriend, like, you're so beautiful, I've heard so much about you.
00:35:56.600
I just want you to know, none of us girls that live with him would, like, see him that
00:36:02.460
That's the girl that's trying to get with your girlfriend.
00:36:06.280
Yeah, the girl who brings it up is the girl getting with your boyfriend.
00:36:10.420
Because if you're already acknowledging it, you're like, why are you even thinking that?
00:36:14.160
Especially if they're drunk, I just feel like a lot of the time it's, like, the drunken
00:36:17.140
truth, or, like, they're just trying to, they're drunk and, like, have their true intention
00:36:27.640
I think it's a pretty big red flag if they have, like, a really close male best friend.
00:36:34.140
Just, I'm using quotes here on the friend part because I had a recent experience, actually.
00:36:39.520
This girl told, I'd seen this girl for a little bit.
00:36:42.120
This, I don't know, it was probably a couple months back.
00:36:44.460
And she said she had a really close male friend.
00:36:48.440
And they've known each other for years, blah, blah, blah.
00:36:55.140
And then, but, like, there's some, like, kind of shifty shit.
00:37:02.780
And so, turns out, he had a major thing for her.
00:37:31.260
She didn't have a big labia, but she was, like, 5 feet.
00:38:02.240
Actually, Eric, before you pull it up, let me get these soup chats.
00:38:20.100
Let me read this in my mind before I read the rest of this shit.
00:38:31.200
I mean, bro, you're digging here for something.
00:38:33.400
I feel like guys are always pursuing blonde white girls and not consider other options.
00:38:45.960
And if you grow up with this being the beauty standard, a blonde white woman, obviously,
00:38:51.020
So all we need to do is put the blondes to the side for a couple minutes.
00:39:03.880
It's just like we're constantly showing like in Victoria's Secret.
00:39:19.240
I'm not saying anything about you specifically.
00:39:21.520
I'm saying about the representation in the media is consistently Caucasian, blonde, skinny
00:39:27.360
And that was a good point with Victoria's Secret for the longest time.
00:39:31.080
They had like a black woman on their, what, like five years ago?
00:39:34.800
They just started having bigger women in Victoria's Secret and men are shown, well, this is Victoria's
00:39:46.260
You said the big women thing in Victoria's Secret?
00:39:57.300
I don't think we should be glamorizing obesity.
00:40:06.700
Obesity, I'm saying that we're shown skinny, white, blonde girls.
00:40:22.640
But growing up, I literally fucking hated myself because I wasn't like these skinny,
00:40:26.800
I think, yes, media still continues to push white, skinny, blonde women.
00:40:34.720
But I think our generation is trying to change that.
00:40:39.160
I think we're still struggling to establish that other than that standard is beautiful.
00:40:46.060
But I think there's an attempt to kind of bring that more to media and more to the beauty
00:40:50.400
standard because I think all people are beautiful.
00:40:52.280
And also, it's not even just, I think the fact that we have to even acknowledge that
00:40:57.060
like, oh, we should be paying more attention to people of color, people of minorities.
00:41:09.000
Why do we need to rebuttal that complete statement that is completely necessary?
00:41:13.880
I mean, we, as white people in the world, like, we're a minority.
00:41:21.060
So why are we the people to dictate what's going on?
00:41:36.100
I'm just saying, if you look at races, white people, there aren't the most white people
00:41:47.520
We are, yes, white people are amongst the world population.
00:41:51.940
But in that world population, we aren't the majority.
00:42:16.680
Well, my point is I'm confused as to why we have to push us being the beauty standard.
00:42:22.340
And it's not like, this is where this conversation comes from, where it's like, well, we should
00:42:45.000
But then if you think about it, how long were, was the, were white people being pushed into
00:42:52.580
Well, I mean, the United States is predominantly white.
00:42:57.740
Well, I know, but at the same time, as what you're saying right now is like, well, we
00:43:02.960
That's what I'm hearing from you is like, well, they're already there.
00:43:08.060
I don't have, if you want to put a person of color or a woman in an ad, that's totally
00:43:15.100
But you're saying, well, we already have them there.
00:43:20.920
I think he was just saying that like recently it seems like less, like there have been a lot of
00:43:24.920
advancements and it's like lesser problem as it would have been like.
00:43:30.940
I'm saying, you're saying that maybe growing up, you didn't see a lot of dark haired women
00:43:38.420
or women of color or whatever it is in advertisements.
00:43:42.040
And that certainly might've been the case in the past, but I think it's changed.
00:43:45.800
There's quite a bit of diversity in advertisements, in media.
00:43:50.340
Well, yes, but that doesn't change how people feel.
00:44:02.940
Why does it just have to be white and black girls?
00:44:06.080
I have yet to see like commercials and stuff advertising my culture.
00:44:10.840
I've never seen a Native American person on a runway or anywhere.
00:44:15.080
I only have one girl that I know that is actually well known in the community where she is on
00:44:27.920
So you think that we should like be not just including like African American people, but
00:44:34.040
also the other minorities that might not always get enough attention.
00:44:37.560
Indian, Native American, Asian, like all of them.
00:44:42.500
I feel like it's just turned into more of like pushing colored people means pushing like
00:44:52.580
Well, just because like I have yet to see a Native or an Indian or an Asian and like
00:44:59.460
Does this mean like you mean like black people are being racist by like.
00:45:08.540
But like I get like what you're trying to say, but like, yeah.
00:45:12.420
I also feel just like as a white person, I don't feel educated enough to like be talking
00:45:18.460
I feel like I probably can't have the best answer about like what I see in media because
00:45:24.440
probably what's advertised to me is white girls because that's probably the products
00:45:30.280
If I'm going to buy makeup, it's going to be makeup that is to my skin tone.
00:45:35.140
Well, I think my original kind of like thing was not about race as so much as you mentioned
00:45:41.060
Victoria's Secret and you mentioned overweight, obese women.
00:45:52.580
I mean, you're wearing a XL t-shirt, so I can't really assess you, but I don't, I don't
00:46:05.440
I would not fit the requirements to be in a Victoria's Secret ad and I'm not obese.
00:46:21.020
I mean, have you seen like the Victoria's Secret ads recently?
00:46:26.840
They have like made like a really active push to have like bigger women on there, women
00:46:30.820
But they still have standards to be like how tall you are.
00:46:34.580
They're only doing that because they've been literally egged on for fucking years.
00:46:37.880
They're not doing this out of the kindness of their own hearts.
00:46:39.740
They're doing this to make money and to hope that people come to their stores again.
00:46:45.060
But to me, I think it's pretty shocking that, I mean, when you think of a Victoria's
00:46:53.500
I mean, what was the thing with the Sports Illustrated?
00:47:03.840
There was a runway model who's Victoria's Secret recently.
00:47:10.840
It was no runway for Victoria's Secret that's overweight because Victoria's Secret stopped
00:47:18.540
I'm pretty sure, Eric, can you try to find there's like.
00:47:39.760
I was just saying, like, isn't that a good thing that Fendi is like popular?
00:47:42.980
But you also have to understand that it didn't come from Rihanna.
00:47:46.520
And she knew that there were so many different.
00:47:48.860
I don't think she's trying to like go against it.
00:47:51.800
I was just saying, like, isn't that great that like.
00:48:00.400
Because she also kind of does like the same thing.
00:48:03.740
Actually search for the Calvin Klein, say, plus size ad and just show us all the search results
00:48:39.880
So I don't think we should be glamorizing obesity.
00:48:45.260
You just have to understand that there are certain.
00:48:47.100
There are so many people that will look just like her.
00:48:55.880
There are people that also, that are her size, that also want to buy Calvin Klein.
00:49:00.920
And now they're advertising that they actually are capable of putting out production of that.
00:49:07.880
So they're going to advertise in the way that'll make them money.
00:49:10.600
A lot of their clientele are people of this size.
00:49:15.380
What is only white skinny people are allowed to buy.
00:49:21.260
You want to see your size also being represented and know that you can also go and buy the same products as other people.
00:49:29.880
Cause I know, I know what Brian's trying to get out of here, but I feel like this is a bad example.
00:49:32.840
Cause like Calvin Klein, like is like, they're just selling to their audience.
00:49:36.760
If their audience is fat or like, oh, like weighs more than they like are advertising people that weigh more.
00:49:42.440
I know you're talking about glamorizing, which is like, let's talk about finances.
00:49:46.020
I'm not even convinced that, that this is necessarily going to make them more money.
00:49:53.140
I realize that their businesses and it's corporations and obviously they want to make money, but you have to understand that corporations have been infiltrated by these sort of, uh, by the, the woke movement.
00:50:10.700
D D E I diversity, equity include, I don't know what it's called, but, but so it's not clear to me that they're actually making more money by doing this.
00:50:25.400
I don't, I don't think it's glamorizing whatsoever, but it's acknowledging like, Hey, you can still buy from us.
00:50:31.780
We want to make sure that, you know, you feel comfortable and that you're included in what we're trying to sell.
00:50:37.480
And I think that's why they're promoting more with girls who are bigger than like the normal size or girls who aren't just white.
00:50:48.840
I totally agree with that, but I think it's a Donovan effect, especially with businesses.
00:50:53.640
I don't think that necessarily it will increase their, um, revenue.
00:50:58.180
However, I do think the media affects their whole business.
00:51:02.620
If the media doesn't agree with you, they will rip you to shreds and goodbye to your business.
00:51:06.560
If they go along with what people want you to be advertising, then maybe they'll buy your product.
00:51:11.860
But that consideration is worth something versus a just an no.
00:51:18.840
Um, say that like, if you're a smoker and you feel like shamed in society, should we have
00:51:27.680
like advertisements glamorizing like cigarettes and things like that to make people who do
00:51:33.400
smoke feel more glamorous, feel like more welcomed and like they can just, they can live their
00:51:42.120
I personally think that is a completely far-fetched comparison.
00:51:53.060
Obesity is something that you live with every single day.
00:51:59.880
Yeah, just the way you said, excuse me, just like if I interrupted, that's fine, but go
00:52:08.960
Just the way you said, excuse me is like, go, go on.
00:52:13.900
Anyway, I feel like smoking is a substance and yes, food is a substance as well.
00:52:18.320
It's something that you ingest and you choose to do, but you don't walk around and you don't
00:52:22.580
If they don't have a cigarette on them, you don't know they're a smoker.
00:52:24.980
If you look at someone who's obese, you know they're obese.
00:52:27.820
So they live with that constantly all the time.
00:52:31.160
But why, why is, if it's something they can control and they can like not be obese, if
00:52:39.980
A lot of people can't actually because of severe mental illnesses.
00:52:42.180
It's not, it's not easy to quit smoking either, but that doesn't mean we should be glamorizing
00:52:47.360
But do you, but you agree we're glamorizing people who are like overweight or also like
00:52:53.080
I don't think we should put a negative connotation on calling someone fat.
00:52:55.760
Like, I think it's our choice to, if you're fat and skinny are just descriptive words,
00:53:00.160
I don't think there needs to be a negative connotation.
00:53:02.120
So like if a woman is fat, like that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing.
00:53:05.320
I don't feel like advertising women who are fat or overweight, like I don't feel like it's
00:53:11.880
And just like, I don't think personally, I don't think putting a skinny woman is glamorizing
00:53:19.720
If you don't think putting skinny women and only skinny women as models and ad isn't glamorizing
00:53:27.040
being skinny, then I thought, I thought that's what we were saying earlier is that we grew
00:53:31.520
Everyone in a magazine was skinny and to us that felt like glamorizing, that's what we
00:53:35.560
Because I feel like once you get to a certain point.
00:53:37.040
Glamorizing and enforcing a beauty standard are very different things.
00:53:40.340
And also to a certain point after so many years of pushing that like standard, then like
00:53:45.940
why can't we have more of a diverse community being shown and portrayed?
00:53:51.040
Because that's what you walk around with every single day, but that's not what you see in
00:53:56.460
So we should, so like, so does that mean we should have ads for like other things that
00:54:04.900
My thing is just like the unhealthy part of it.
00:54:06.900
So like, that means it's important to have ads with people doing heroin.
00:54:10.840
A certain population of the like, a certain percentage of the population does heroin.
00:54:15.420
Like, does things that are like plenty unhealthy, does that mean that that's what we should
00:54:23.980
I don't understand how heroin and being larger.
00:54:24.480
Because like heroin you can get addicted to, but like when you're also obese, some people
00:54:30.360
And when they grow up, they end up, they just can't get out of it because that's what they've
00:54:42.960
But eating disorders, binge eating disorders, those can stem from other places that aren't
00:54:50.340
It can come from serious shit that happened in your childhood, and you rely on this to
00:54:54.160
It's an illness, agreed, but it's not completely the same as things like a cigarette.
00:55:01.680
They're two definitely illnesses, definitely substances, but they're two very different
00:55:06.260
Well, I think the cigarette comparison is actually quite apt because we've taken steps
00:55:24.640
And then I'll, and I think you can actually make the argument that obesity is a much bigger
00:55:31.900
It's a, it's a far greater cause of early mortality.
00:55:37.120
I haven't looked at the stats, but I'm pretty sure more people die of obesity.
00:55:45.780
So if we talk about like the United States, go back 50 years, maybe, and everyone, a vast
00:56:00.540
It's, you know, people can't help it, whatever.
00:56:03.040
We finally have research that shows how bad it is for your health.
00:56:06.120
And then we go on decades long campaign that takes a long time to get smoking out of Calvin
00:56:12.280
Klein ads because it's not, you know, it's not something that should be glamorized.
00:56:16.200
We put education in school so people understand how bad it is for you.
00:56:21.020
And, but now we know that being overweight and obese has similarly catastrophic effects
00:56:28.940
Why are we not on a campaign now of like encouraging people in every domain to avoid having this
00:56:40.940
Just like we encourage people not to do heroin.
00:56:43.140
It's putting an obese woman on a billboard of Calvin Klein.
00:56:47.200
I don't think it's encouraging you to want to be fat.
00:56:49.380
I don't think it's encouraging, but it's not discouraging it.
00:56:54.020
No one, if you're a fat person, never do you see an image of another fat person and say,
00:57:02.780
I thought you guys just told me that was the whole point of having overweight women in advertising.
00:57:08.120
No, it was about, it was about being, I'm not the only one.
00:57:12.060
Other people can do this and they can be pretty and you still feel like shit.
00:57:16.320
So if the ads don't do anything, why do we have them up there?
00:57:18.560
If it doesn't make people who look like that feel them.
00:57:22.700
So I have to think, I do think they want to feel included.
00:57:25.560
And I do think they want to see that, that image of themselves.
00:57:30.760
Yeah, and I do think that makes them feel good to see it.
00:57:32.900
And on your point, I do agree on a health standpoint, we shouldn't be promoting that.
00:57:37.740
But it's like, where is the line where when people are being called unbeautiful or not beautiful,
00:57:43.180
like, and we're supposed to agree with you, them and say like, okay, you're not just because you're overweight.
00:57:52.360
So like, how do you market that and get someone to be like, I feel good.
00:58:02.780
I don't think like shaming people, calling them ugly is a way to make people healthy.
00:58:05.980
I do strongly feel like you to get to health, like get to a healthy weight.
00:58:11.100
It has to come out of self-love, not self-hate.
00:58:13.420
But I don't think like the more that we say it's okay to be obese, you can feel welcome and included in like American society.
00:58:20.340
Being obese, I just, you know, I don't know if people understand how diabetes, you can lose your limbs when you have diabetes.
00:58:35.860
But I don't know, I don't think 60% of Americans have no choice but to be obese.
00:58:41.560
I feel like there is room there to, it takes a lot of work.
00:58:44.760
It takes a lot of motivation, but demotivating, I cannot be, cannot be.
00:58:49.560
Ultimately, look, the whole thing, some people have health, there's genetic predispositions.
00:58:56.880
But for the vast majority of people who are overweight, it's calories in, calories out.
00:59:07.520
That makes it more difficult for me to lose weight.
00:59:09.620
But ultimately, if I'm not adhering to a strict diet, I'm going to gain weight.
00:59:14.880
So a lot of people, some people have, I've got injuries too.
00:59:19.340
That limits my ability to be more active, burn calories.
00:59:23.900
So, but look, it's ultimately, there's very rare diseases or medical conditions which would result in you being overweight and you having no control over it.
00:59:35.680
So calories in, calories out, calorie deficit, it's all that.
00:59:41.420
Let's move on just because we've been on this for a while.
00:59:44.620
He's, Jan Vier there really managed to get us going.
00:59:52.180
For all the ladies at the table who say they're straight, how straight are you from a 1 to 10?
00:59:55.880
And if not 10, this is a fucking complicated question.
01:00:01.700
How about just, are they, ask their sexual orientation.
01:00:11.000
So I, I know I've been talking about guys a lot, but I wasn't sure how deep we were going to get into this.
01:00:16.280
I like all people, no matter how they choose to identify.
01:00:23.620
And I tend to have like, I like emotional connections with people.
01:00:27.460
So I like to get to know their personality and like who they are as a person.
01:00:31.020
If I actually like to be around them before I get with them.
01:01:11.780
Brian, how committed are you to the splitting dates argument?
01:01:15.720
You say you want a traditional woman stays home.
01:01:28.080
Well, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things there, but, um, I don't think I've ever actually
01:01:34.600
Well, the stays home thing, I don't, I don't really care.
01:01:39.540
I'm, I would do a 50-50, um, with the right person.
01:01:44.000
I would not, I also wouldn't have an issue being the sole breadwinner and providing and
01:02:05.660
I, I would potentially be open to it, but I have my own business, so.
01:02:10.180
She would have to be making a substantial amount among me.
01:02:17.340
Well, yeah, but I mean, I wouldn't be, like, not working prime, I wouldn't be the primary
01:02:24.800
Um, I mean, she would probably have to be making a substantial amount of money for me to be willing
01:02:28.820
to stay at home, but, like, the thing is, though, is, like, it's kind of, it kind of,
01:02:35.340
most women would not be okay with that arrangement, so it's, like, most women are not going to
01:02:41.260
be okay wanting to be the sole breadwinner and have their husband be a stay-at-home father.
01:02:48.940
The vast majority of women are going to have a serious...
01:02:53.120
Most women are going to have a serious issue with that.
01:02:58.100
Most women are going to have a major issue with, with that.
01:03:04.020
I think if it's, like, if you forced it upon them, they would have an issue.
01:03:08.420
Just, like, a man would be, like, well, I can't...
01:03:10.920
If you don't have the facilities to completely provide for your family, you'd be really upset
01:03:15.220
if your mom was, like, well, you're not mom, excuse me.
01:03:17.340
If your wife was, like, you know what, fuck it, you can do this yourself.
01:03:22.780
But I wouldn't have a problem providing for a man.
01:03:26.460
It's, there's always something else in the relationship that they're doing.
01:03:32.360
Well, you say most, but, like, I have no idea who you're talking about.
01:03:36.380
So, I would say most men can't even do the one income household thing in today's society.
01:03:44.040
Because in today's society, unless you're a majorly high earner, you need two incomes to
01:03:53.840
So, even, even with two incomes, a lot of people can't, well, especially in fucking California,
01:04:01.700
So, most women, though, are not, even if they're high earners, are not gonna go for a guy that's
01:04:14.960
I mean, maybe I'm biased because my mother was a main breadwinner, and my grandmother,
01:04:37.560
And she's actually still paying him money because they got a divorce, so.
01:04:40.100
But how did he, like, how did, how was, like, how did she, they pay for things?
01:04:56.000
Wait, so, but you said, you said your, you said that you're, your bio father, not in the
01:05:04.820
He's in the picture, but he's just not in that relationship.
01:05:11.720
But okay, so you're, and then your mom remarried.
01:05:23.460
I think he's still living off my mom through the divorce.
01:05:26.680
Well, I will say that's, that's exceedingly rare.
01:05:42.780
I wouldn't like prefer to be the sole breadwinner of my family.
01:05:45.620
Like I'm already raising, I'm already giving birth to this child.
01:05:48.320
Like, I don't think, I mean, this is an easy question.
01:05:51.300
Like why, why would anyone prefer to be the sole breadwinner when, you know, I would,
01:05:56.820
I mean, I've seen so many like men just leave their, leave their wives and they have nothing.
01:06:01.020
Like I'd rather be the sole breadwinner than be the stay at home.
01:06:14.900
Just like I'm not saying every single woman wants to be the breadwinner.
01:06:22.160
Look, the thing is, is that you can say that yes, it happens, but most women are going
01:06:28.780
to have an, most women are not attracted to men.
01:06:33.000
You, you ask a lot of women what they're attracted to.
01:06:35.320
So, ambition, successful, career, high earner, career, ambitious, all these things, right?
01:06:46.800
A man who's an attorney, a man who's a doctor, he'll date a barista.
01:06:55.800
A woman who's an attorney or who's a doctor, most women in those positions, they're not
01:07:05.980
They want to date someone on their level or higher.
01:07:12.500
I think what he's saying is that like, which I personally don't agree with because like
01:07:17.820
I, as someone who's continuing to pursue a career, I don't really care about like what
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the guy does as long as like he's healthy and happy and like doing something within
01:07:26.700
his life to succeed himself, not necessarily that having to be a job, but something else
01:07:32.940
But I'm guessing what you're saying is that women who tend to be in like a higher income
01:07:39.520
job will also look for a partner who is also in a higher income job.
01:07:45.100
A woman who's a litigation attorney is going to want to pair off with someone on her level
01:07:49.880
or higher, generally speaking, whereas a litigate, a male litigation attorney, he'll date the baddie
01:07:57.960
Well, I feel like that points out what women and men prioritize.
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Like, for me, it's like, I think nothing's wrong with that.
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I don't think there's, I think the women are smart for searching out for a man who makes
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I mean, aren't you guys capitalizing on that all the time?
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Man like paid you a thousand dollars a month just to talk to you?
01:08:18.820
And I stopped because I wanted to do other things with my life.
01:08:36.920
And like, if my husband wanted to be a stay at home dad or something, like you'd be okay
01:08:42.000
If we are, if it is financially stable to have that decision be made, then yeah.
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Then even when you're, do you want to have kids?
01:08:52.920
Cause I mean, for a lot of women, they want to take a bit of time off during the pregnancy
01:09:02.640
So if you're the sole breadwinner during, and let's say you want to have multiple kids,
01:09:12.300
If you're the sole breadwinner, that means you're probably in a very high income job.
01:09:16.920
There are very, very rare amount of high income jobs where you can't get paid for your pregnancy
01:09:27.260
It's, I mean, if you break your leg, have a baby, it doesn't matter.
01:09:30.560
And if you're in a very high income job, like likelihood is you'll get that money.
01:09:36.320
And I know some of you are young, so you might not care so much about this, but let's say
01:09:45.280
Let's say maybe, maybe this, you might, it might be a big deal for you now.
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Would you date a guy who lived with his parents?
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Or like, what do you, you can, you can answer now and you can also say in like five years
01:10:00.080
Well, it depends if like the parents are living with him, but, uh, no, he doesn't, he's not
01:10:05.820
making enough, he's, he's not making enough money.
01:10:10.280
I feel like at a certain point in your life, you should be doing something to pursue.
01:10:15.260
Actually, I think it completely depends on the situation.
01:10:18.300
I mean, I know a lot of people who are going through a lot, let's say they were a big lawyer
01:10:25.480
They're living with their parents or they were an addict and they were in rehab and they
01:10:29.760
There's so many things about that can be honorable about your personality.
01:10:36.200
Your living situation is really one of the last things that's going to interest me.
01:10:40.940
I hope this isn't controversial, but honestly, drug addict is not, is still not my first choice
01:10:46.140
for like, well, no, but there are things can happen to people where they have to get back
01:10:50.080
If you're a complete loser and you're rude and you have no motivation and ambition, then
01:10:58.060
no, I'm not going to date you if you live with your parents.
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But that goes for a woman that lives with their parents.
01:11:02.800
It's not just about men for me and my own case.
01:11:05.900
If you're not doing something to get out of a situation where you can be independent
01:11:10.840
Would you date a guy who lives with his parents?
01:11:16.740
Would you have a preference for someone who has like their own place?
01:11:19.480
I mean, it's nice if they have their own place, but at the same time, like literally
01:11:23.400
people go through different situations that like, it's okay if you live with your parents.
01:11:28.000
It's not the biggest, like, oh my God, you live with your parents.
01:11:31.400
Like the, I mean the whole drug that's that, that is an example.
01:11:39.500
It doesn't have to be, but it doesn't have to be a red flag because there are someone, someone
01:11:43.680
My parents were addicts and now she's a VP of a bank and my dad owns one of the most
01:11:52.020
They lived with their parents trying to get back on their feet.
01:11:53.940
That was simply something I threw into the air.
01:12:02.820
But yeah, I think for me and for a lot of people, if you were previously a drug addict,
01:12:11.560
Addiction, like it's a problem and those traits will stay with you, of course, throughout
01:12:17.780
If someone was previously addicted to heroin and they're getting clean, no offense.
01:12:25.360
They shouldn't be in a relationship at that point either.
01:12:29.700
But, okay, so we were talking about, man, we were, we were talking about, um, would you,
01:12:39.500
would you date a guy who lives with his parents?
01:12:43.440
So, I mean, right away we're, you're making a, most guys, if she's attractive and if she's
01:12:53.400
lit, she's 20, 21, she's living with her parents.
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Cause she probably, she's probably not honed around as much.
01:13:12.440
Like, do you feel like very insecure in your relationship?
01:13:14.940
So if you see like a woman living with her parents, you're like, oh, maybe she won't
01:13:21.880
Well, I mean, I think it does because I don't understand how a woman living with her parents
01:13:27.720
I don't bring people over to my house when I hook up with them.
01:13:32.480
But if, if you're still living under your parents' roof, they still have some degree
01:13:52.720
We literally, we don't even eat dinner together.
01:14:02.440
You just said, you just said with your own father, you don't have, you don't talk to him.
01:14:19.920
We've never really had an actual sit down dinner.
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I mean, we won't have to, we won't get into that.
01:14:27.620
That has, but parent, me living with my dad has no like connection with my, with what I go out and do.
01:14:36.900
I'm not saying it's a guarantee that if a woman lives with her parents, she's not a, she's not a hoe.
01:14:42.160
That's not, I'm not saying that, but her parents can still be a positive influence in her life.
01:14:50.220
But just because it's a positive influence doesn't mean it is an influence where she's not going to be a hoe.
01:14:54.700
Cause they can still have a positive influence and still go out and do what they want and come home.
01:14:59.840
I mean, if, if her father was a adult role model in her life, then.
01:15:16.140
We were talking about, you asked multiple questions here.
01:15:20.020
So, um, shouldn't you act like a traditional man?
01:15:23.020
Let me just, we'll, we'll remove the middle part because that's not, I've sort of addressed it, but how committed are you to splitting dates argument?
01:15:34.180
Um, so the only scenario where, where I will pay for the first date where I'll pay for her is.
01:15:44.640
And if I significantly out earn her or she's just a young woman, you know, she's 2021, she's in college or whatever.
01:15:57.800
So you don't, um, you wouldn't pay for a girl's meal on the first date?
01:16:12.320
I feel like if you acknowledge it beforehand, I think it's fine.
01:16:15.380
But if, if, if I also go by the role of like, if whoever is asking out the other person pays, so if I ask out a guy, I'm going to pay.
01:16:29.180
Especially if it's the first date, like you were saying.
01:16:32.220
If you don't know each other, why are you paying for this person?
01:16:35.120
Do you let the bill come and then you let her know?
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First off, I might arrive five minutes early or I might arrive on time.
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And I know she's going to be 10 minutes late because that's, that's how, that's been my experience.
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She can, she can meet, she can meet me, she can meet me there.
01:17:08.240
No, it's just like, if, if the girl wouldn't be comfortable going over to my place for the
01:17:14.460
If the date goes bad, I'm not comfortable being your ride.
01:17:20.440
I don't want to, like, if you're uncomfortable coming to my place, coming to my place on the
01:17:24.340
first date, I'm uncomfortable picking you up at your address, you getting into my car.
01:17:34.560
I don't think, I don't think a guy, I certainly don't think guys always have to pay on the,
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Oh, it's, by the way, this loses me women that I'm not willing to pay, but it's the,
01:18:02.800
If it's a sit down place where a waiter comes, sometimes I don't do dinner, no dinner dates,
01:18:07.760
But sometimes there's drink places where a waiter will come, like someone will come and serve
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So if it's like that, when the waiter comes, you're there early.
01:18:16.600
You tell him, Hey, we're going to do separate checks, separate checks.
01:18:21.940
That way, when he, when you ask for the check or whatever, boom.
01:18:27.860
I just don't understand why you're afraid to tell them.
01:18:31.140
I wouldn't have a problem with someone saying we're spending a check.
01:18:35.740
What are you trying to like figure out why not telling them?
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If you wait until, if you don't establish that before the, your date comes, then there's
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just like an opportunity for a miscommunication or a mishap.
01:18:51.380
So I just tell the waiter up front, Hey, we're going to be splitting checks from the get
01:18:56.320
Has a girl ever like, I don't have cash or like, has she ever like responded or denied
01:19:09.280
I had a, I had a roommate back at home and she told me a horrific story where she went
01:19:14.660
on a first date and this guy, you know, same principle.
01:19:17.160
He was like, I planned on a swing to payment, but he took her to like a group event where
01:19:21.460
he had all of his friends and their girlfriends.
01:19:23.900
So they're sitting at a round table, checks come in.
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So they're going to do the split payment thing.
01:19:35.500
You know, and he explained afterward, he was, he was thinking we're going to split it.
01:19:39.160
So he assumed that she had the money and she had to like tell this waitress, like I did
01:19:46.640
And so like all these people at their table are just like looking at them super awkward,
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I just feel like that could totally been alleviated.
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If someone just says, Hey, just bring, you know, everybody just make your payment.
01:20:01.620
If it's not a situation where there's a waiter that comes up, like it's a bar, you go up,
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And then she comes in, you know, she's late, right?
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And then I'm like, Oh, Hey, I already got my drink.
01:20:37.580
That's, that would give me a pretty good indicator that I'm going halves or yeah.
01:20:45.940
Like before the day, before the front, before we even, no, when, before we even meet whenever
01:20:54.880
So it's kind of up to you and how you feel about that person and being like, Hey, like
01:20:58.900
just in your conversation, be like, Hey, is it okay if we split the check?
01:21:04.300
If you like, so it's better to just not tell them and then let, no, it would be weird.
01:21:08.460
I mean, wouldn't, I would think every girl would like assume that you're, no, I feel
01:21:16.420
Like, I mean, like go to a group of girls and be, most of them are like, Oh, what did
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It's all about, you know, materials, like what they have, what they're going to get.
01:21:27.300
No, there's no way that they are going to want to pay anything.
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And most chances are, they're probably not going to bring their wallet.
01:21:33.820
So I think this principle here is going to come with a bunch of like roller coasters.
01:21:39.660
I've maybe lost some women because of it, but it's, it's honestly not been a major issue.
01:21:44.640
And most, most women bring their purse on a date.
01:21:50.380
So they, they've driven themselves or they've taken an Uber.
01:21:53.860
They've got their, whatever, Apple pay or whatever bullshit it is.
01:21:56.740
So, uh, food, I don't do food dates that occasionally, maybe I'll do it, but, um, a simple drink date.
01:22:04.140
Brian, I feel like you're living out of a scarcity mindset here.
01:22:08.760
Well, I'll tell you the reason why I, why I do that.
01:22:11.600
Um, like maybe if you're going on like hundreds of dates a week and like you really like, it's
01:22:17.040
taking a huge dent in your like finances that you need to like plan it out that much.
01:22:25.980
But I think they would argue that that would be a principle.
01:22:29.320
Because I, I don't even know what the principle is.
01:22:31.960
I'll sit down with the girl and they'll be like, oh, um, he didn't pay for my dinner.
01:22:41.460
You say that it's the principle and she'll say it's the principle.
01:22:46.280
Well, let me tell you the scenarios in which I would pay.
01:22:51.200
So if I'd got the sense that she was traditional, if she was traditional and probably, okay.
01:23:06.020
Um, she's in college, she's in college, then I'm going to pay, then I'm going to pay.
01:23:13.640
But if I'm going out with a litigation attorney, that's making $300,000 a year, I'm not going
01:23:20.860
I've, I've met, there was a litigation attorney that I went out with and she making probably
01:23:27.500
This was like 10 years, no, sorry, not 10 years, five years ago.
01:23:30.860
Um, she, she was like, oh, I want to be wined and dined and treated like, and I'm like, bro,
01:23:53.840
Of like, uh, if like, because if I go out on a date with a guy who's a couple of years
01:23:59.920
older, like I'm still college and I do like, you know, I don't have a real job and he, even
01:24:07.560
Like, even though I'm fine paying for my own meal, I'm not going to expect you to, that's
01:24:11.500
just sort of, that's, that's, principle's going a little too far there at that point.
01:24:15.180
Like if you have a real job and I'm in college and that's sort of like, yeah.
01:24:18.180
Well, that's, that's what I just said though, is that if she's in college.
01:24:22.300
No, if she's in college, not honestly, most of the women I date are like mid, mid to late
01:24:31.860
So like career in their careers, but like occasionally, yes, maybe grad student, for example, even
01:24:37.520
grads, you know, grad student could be mid, late twenties, um, grad students a bit, if you
01:24:43.160
know, I don't know, I, even then she, you know, undergrad, sure.
01:24:49.040
You don't know they're striking the grad students strike right now.
01:24:58.820
Look, I have more money than the grad students right now.
01:25:02.820
So perhaps, perhaps, but look, it's just the, look, if she's in her career, look, I've dated
01:25:12.500
nurses, I dated more, more, more fucking nurses than I can count.
01:25:30.280
I've dated researchers, all like career women making six figures.
01:25:39.280
So the prince, so I'm guessing the principle is, Hey, if you have the money, you know,
01:25:48.820
Well, also we're in, okay, here's the thing, right?
01:25:53.220
Most of the women I date, I say are pretty left leaning liberal women.
01:26:14.000
Um, so if I'm dating a liberal woman, she probably believes in gender equality.
01:26:22.500
You can't be for gender equality until the check comes.
01:26:27.460
No pun intended that you get to pick and choose which, uh, what equality that you want and
01:26:34.220
If you believe in gender equality, when you go on a date with a guy, you pay for your food,
01:26:44.060
I'm going to be honest the way I like to do it.
01:26:45.780
If I go on a first date, they pay for my meal and I choose that I want to go on a second
01:26:55.500
So he made an investment that is not going to be, there's, there's not going to be a second
01:27:00.080
So he spent money on you that has in essence gone to waste.
01:27:05.180
So to speak, he had a lovely experience with me.
01:27:18.740
So you're, so what you're saying is your time, if, if a guy wants to get your time,
01:27:26.720
He doesn't have to, but like if a guy, if a guy wants to pay for my meal, how I like
01:27:31.460
to like approach it is if he pays for my first meal and then we, and he's choosing to pay
01:27:36.760
that on the second meal, if we go on a second date, I'll pay for that.
01:27:42.300
Cause I don't want, I, one, I want to show that I can also provide and two, I don't want
01:27:47.180
to make them feel like they have to pay for my time.
01:27:54.300
Um, and I, I, again, I know you guys are in college, so I feel like a lot of people
01:28:00.820
Hey, let's, it's like, no, but I'm not, I'm not, it's more like, Hey, let's meet at a party.
01:28:06.040
Like, it's not so much, Hey, let's meet out for dinner, for a drink.
01:28:10.160
I feel like that starts becoming more of a thing as you get out of college.
01:28:14.380
But I mean, how many of your first dates that you've been on have only been like first dates
01:28:25.100
I just don't choose to date a lot either, but I've had guys and I like, I will choose not
01:28:30.920
Cause like, I think it'd be stupid to be like, Oh, I'm going to go to this restaurant that
01:28:35.360
Why would I expect someone who's around my same age to be able to do the same thing?
01:28:38.760
You know, so I feel like I try to be courteous about like where we're going to eat.
01:28:42.860
Like you can take me to In-N-Out and I'll be happy.
01:28:45.720
Like spend $10 on your meal and my meal and I'll be very happy.
01:28:52.060
My question is who, who should pay on the first date?
01:29:00.420
If you guys want to split it, then yes, you can.
01:29:05.380
Like I said, I think it depends who asks the person out.
01:29:12.500
If he says, can I take you out to dinner that I'm going to be expecting, he's going to pay
01:29:18.080
But if a guy, for example, let's say a guy worded it, worded it like this.
01:29:22.260
Would you like to grab a drink or would you like to grab food?
01:29:25.440
I wouldn't expect him to be paying for my meal.
01:29:37.880
But yeah, I would definitely agree with that as well.
01:29:50.520
Cause like in some cases men are more dominant too, where they're just like, I'm going to
01:29:56.360
Um, but in other cases, like if it was asked that way, I would totally be willing to go
01:30:06.080
I don't really go on a lot of dates with checks.
01:30:11.400
So it's, I feel like it's a bit more, Hey, let's hang out.
01:30:15.740
Um, I'd be fine with paying if they offer to pay and they want to, that's cool.
01:30:24.080
For me, it's mostly like who asks who, because the majority of the time, if he asked me, then
01:30:31.280
But if I asked them, then like, I do offer to pay and they're like, okay, yeah, cool.
01:30:34.320
Cause like I did ask them to go out, but if they do ask me in like the way you asked,
01:30:40.680
Most of the time when that has happened, they pay anyways.
01:30:43.040
Like I've, yeah, guys will still pay in that circumstance too.
01:30:46.940
And like, I don't know, like the only time where I was paying most of the time was because
01:30:51.440
I knew that like, he's, um, the guy I was dating before he was going to be a lawyer and
01:30:59.120
Like he was literally working on Fridays for two hours and like, I'm working every single
01:31:06.920
Like I can take you out to like, we both go get like a $60 plate and like I can pay, you know,
01:31:16.840
How I like to do it is just always like offer to be like, Oh, like how much, like should
01:31:26.180
And they'll pretty much always, pretty much always be like, no, like you're not paying
01:31:30.060
And then I just like insist on paying like a cash tip or something so I can show how much
01:31:35.580
If they pay for it, I will be like, do you want me to pay tip?
01:31:39.680
So I can show, you know, that I really appreciate that they took care.
01:31:53.980
I don't think, I honestly don't think there's any instance where I would pay for a guy's meal.
01:32:01.940
But okay, let's say the guy, the guy asks you out, but there's no, no, what if the guy
01:32:08.160
asks you out, should he pay for, um, for the drinks, for the food?
01:32:15.560
I'm not going to make him like pay for both of it.
01:32:17.880
It's just an incredibly great, good, like green flag.
01:32:20.540
If he's like, no, you're not paying anything like that shows.
01:32:32.720
If he expects me to pay for his meal, you can, by the way, if you disagree with me, you can
01:32:36.680
say it's a lot, a lot of women disagree with me on this.
01:32:43.180
That, that even in the instance where the guy suggests going out or suggests, Hey, let's
01:32:50.080
I mean, we'll get into that in a sec, but suggesting that it should still be split.
01:33:00.340
No matter who asks out, I'll always like offer to split, but guys almost always are
01:33:08.460
But you're going to feel a certain type of way.
01:33:09.960
I feel like you, you'll feel a certain type of way if the guy says, okay, let's split.
01:33:14.440
Well, I mean, it's a little, it's a little bummy.
01:33:19.980
Well, it's more just like, you know, there's a lot of guys who would.
01:33:30.800
I mean, you know, I'm looking for a specific type of guy who's like very generous provider.
01:33:34.840
So it's more like, it's more, yeah, maybe it does.
01:33:42.580
Well, I'm just sort of, this honestly hasn't come up.
01:33:44.700
It just really hasn't really been the case where I'm like, I'll split.
01:33:47.920
I'm not going to be like an ungrateful little child and like throw a hissy fit about it,
01:33:57.480
If he isn't in the, but yeah, the person I'll end up dating probably will be the guy who like
01:34:03.880
will gladly and like easily like pay for my food.
01:34:10.820
As far as the, whoever asks should pay thing, look more often than not, men are asking women
01:34:17.540
Women are not asking men out, generally speaking.
01:34:19.960
So de facto, if whoever asks should pay is your answer, your answer might as well be
01:34:26.420
men should pay on the first date because women really aren't asking guys out like that for
01:34:32.700
Well, I think it's also the way, I mean, still I would, like I said, default to splitting,
01:34:42.220
Like, let me take you out on a date versus do you want to go out?
01:34:49.500
So you're going to come with me and we're going to do this.
01:34:54.180
I mean, I'll still pay, like I don't care, but I think it's also about how you word it.
01:34:59.380
So if as the guy you worded in such a way where there could be an implication that you're
01:35:06.360
taking her out, like you're treating her, then yes, you should, obviously you should pay.
01:35:12.300
If, if, if how you worded it, then you should pay.
01:35:15.800
But if you're, if it's more just like, if you're a guy and you're like casually, if it's more like, Hey, do you want to grab a drink sometime?
01:35:26.260
If you're framing it like that, then I don't necessarily think that there should necessarily in that situation be an expectation that the guy should pay.
01:35:36.200
Well, you still can, but those instances, like where I've had people ask me like, Oh, you want to go grab a drink?
01:35:41.360
Then like, I'll either buy our first set of drinks or they'll buy the first set of drinks and then we'll just like go back and forth.
01:35:47.620
Like I buy one, they buy one and like we pay for each other, but it's still back and forth.
01:35:52.120
The only caveat I have though, dinner is one thing, you know, like that's food.
01:35:56.400
But when it comes to alcohol, I will never pay for my own alcohol, but I also just don't like to drink.
01:36:02.700
So if a guy's offering to take me up to drinks, he probably knows I don't really like to drink.
01:36:06.020
Like there's always like, he probably, he will probably maybe benefit, you know, if I'm like intoxicated.
01:36:12.500
I'm like, if you want me to drink, like you can go for it.
01:36:16.620
So I will, I, if I go to a bar, like for some reason, like I'm not bringing my wallet with me, but that's just because I can have like a great time in a bar, like drinking water, but I'm not going to pay.
01:36:26.120
That's the only time where I will like never pay for it.
01:36:29.700
I guess that's the difference because like, I know I can drink and I know I like to drink.
01:36:33.220
So I know that like, they can't be buying all my drinks.
01:36:37.760
Yeah, we're going to get a couple rounds in, like you know how much you're going to drink.
01:36:41.580
Really, really quick, just to wrap up on this question here.
01:36:47.640
You know, I was actually going to bring this up.
01:36:57.360
I was just like, do you want to go on a date this weekend?
01:37:05.180
No, but it's not, it's not like, I'm not the type to like offer.
01:37:10.560
I was just going to be like, we should go ice skating or something.
01:37:26.660
Like if I didn't, if I didn't think a guy would say yes, I might not be asking out guys
01:37:31.280
on dates, but if I know they're going to say yes, I'll be like, would you like to do something
01:37:37.260
It's not like shooting your shot where you're not sure.
01:37:46.740
I actually, well, it doesn't really count, I guess now.
01:38:08.480
Yo, Flan Life, thank you for becoming a member.
01:38:10.960
And by the way, guys, oh wait, I don't know if you're able to do it, but you can opt in
01:38:30.740
If I see someone and I like, even at a party or something, if you just want to initiate
01:38:33.940
something, like I'm not going to like sit around and look pretty and wait for someone
01:38:37.600
Like if I think you're cute, I'm going to shoot my shot.
01:38:47.860
So they'll pick me up, but I'll choose the place.
01:38:55.720
I have paid a couple times just being like, let me just do this, whatever.
01:39:00.300
And they've definitely paid for me and we've definitely split.
01:39:06.180
I've never asked a guy out, but I have approached a guy.
01:39:09.140
So if I saw someone really cute, I'm not going to like, you know, pass up on that.
01:39:16.400
Multiple times you've done that or was it just once?
01:39:38.940
Trader Joe's is such a great place to get people.
01:39:44.580
But no, it's always been like a party type environment.
01:39:49.580
So it's kind of more social, easy to like approach someone like that.
01:39:52.820
But never in like a very like sit down setting.
01:39:58.240
I think guys tend to ask me out more, but I have asked guys out and I do pay for their
01:40:18.560
So shouldn't you act like a traditional man just to wrap up on the super chat?
01:40:29.020
I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles with a woman who's not traditional
01:40:37.840
Most women, especially in California, especially in Santa Barbara are not traditional women.
01:40:50.840
So someone who's not masculine, not a hoe, low body count.
01:40:56.340
Probably doesn't want to be like the breadwinner.
01:41:01.640
She does like the PTA meetings, like, it's not even, I mean, it's, it's not even like
01:41:09.800
Like, I think you can be, still be very feminine and want like, well, some guys might disagree
01:41:16.280
You can still be super feminine, but also do like 50, 50, have a job, but you know, all
01:41:30.900
So I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender role of being the provider off rip and
01:41:39.280
A man paying on the first date is him adhering to his traditional gender role.
01:41:43.760
You, and here's the big thing that I often think of a lot of people in 2022, and this
01:41:51.360
When you're on a first date with someone gone are the days of people only talking to one person
01:42:00.380
I don't want to be a provider for a girl who just fucked a guy the night before.
01:42:07.580
You said that you would pay for the date though, if she was a traditional woman, right?
01:42:11.680
But you just also said, so you don't know this woman, it's the first date, correct?
01:42:15.680
But you just said on a first date, what you do is you go to the waiter and you say already
01:42:21.520
Just run back and be like, no, she's all right.
01:42:23.320
Like, I mean, look, there, I, I sort of outlined a few different ways of how you go about it.
01:42:31.940
You can either, I mean, the big one is you arrive early, you go to the bar, you get your
01:42:38.920
I mean, I'm going to sort of have a bit of a sense.
01:42:41.620
I've felt her out a little, felt her out a little bit before meeting in person.
01:42:47.240
I'm always going to have, like if I meet her on a dating app, for example, I'm always going
01:42:50.180
to have a phone call with someone before I meet them in person, because I want to like
01:42:56.900
And I also want to give her an opportunity to opt out.
01:43:01.300
Maybe she, for whatever reason, like she doesn't do that.
01:43:07.180
That would suck if you're on a podcast and she doesn't like your voice.
01:43:12.540
But, but I mean, it could be, uh, yeah, I'll always do a phone call.
01:43:17.900
One, it kind of eliminates the chance of it being some sort of catfish thing.
01:43:22.260
You can detect if there's any, like, I've, I've had phone conversations with girls that
01:43:34.580
No, it was just like, well, just the conversation.
01:43:38.400
You can tell, like, it was mostly, they were like soup.
01:43:41.440
I could tell they were fucking emotional vampires, like just negative.
01:43:44.840
I don't know if you've ever like encountered people.
01:43:46.680
They're just like, you can sometimes just hear in the tonality of their voice.
01:43:51.140
And they're just like, really like, I'm like, yo, you're, and Hey, some people are going
01:44:02.720
I'm not, why I wouldn't say that, but I'm like, I'm like, I'm fucking out.
01:44:06.820
Um, and no, but I'll have a pleasant conversation.
01:44:10.580
Of course, I'll be respectful, but I'll just be like, Hey, you know, I won't pursue setting
01:44:19.680
And like I said, it gives them an opportunity to opt out because if they can suss out from
01:44:23.840
the phone call that they're not feeling it great.
01:44:26.720
Saves me time saves, saves her time, saves me time.
01:44:30.240
So guys with the dating apps do, do quick little 15, 20 minute phone call.
01:44:34.440
I've never had a guy do that, like call me before.
01:44:37.520
Like if we're going to meet up or like, I think it's good.
01:44:43.620
It's, it's like, I mean, one also it's like, it, it takes a little of the pressure off the
01:44:48.920
Like you've had like a conversation cause like people can be real clever over text message,
01:44:54.140
but then like, you don't know how they're, the vibe is going to be.
01:44:58.440
And the vibe could be a bit different in person, but having that phone conversation, you'll
01:45:02.640
feel it out a little bit and you can either say, Oh, this is going to be great.
01:45:05.860
Or I want to feel it out a bit more or just, Hey, I want to opt out.
01:45:09.660
So I always recommend 15, 20 minute phone call, get acquainted and maybe, maybe you guys disagree
01:45:15.480
on some things you can, and it saves you from having to go out to, you know, honestly
01:45:23.140
Be like, Hey, you down, you down to hop on a phone call.
01:45:26.020
I always appreciated the guys that would ask to go on a zoom call or a FaceTime and
01:45:32.940
like seeing them, it would be a lot like better than having to like, you know, just randomly
01:45:39.080
If you're just not hit, it's just not working when you see them like catfish.
01:45:42.660
And I feel like it breaks the ice a little bit.
01:45:44.660
Cause now you're like, know what each other looks like.
01:45:46.380
You understand how you conversate a little bit.
01:45:50.420
And then also if you don't catch a vibe, then you're able to know before you guys kind
01:45:58.000
So just to wrap up the whole thing, if she's not traditional translation, she's sleeping
01:46:08.640
I don't want to pay for someone who's sleeping with someone else.
01:46:13.720
And also the, the other reason why I think men should be more hesitant to pay is foodie
01:46:20.800
calls, not all women, but there are some women that will go on a date just for a free
01:46:36.220
Look, maneuver how you're going to maneuver, but us men, we're catching up.
01:46:41.440
We're figuring out that, Hey, sometimes you're not necessarily going on a date with us and
01:46:56.880
So the likelihood that any one given date is going to proceed is going to go the distance.
01:47:04.300
So yes, men do have to go on much more dates and women too, to find that person.
01:47:09.920
And then, you know, even 10, 20 years ago, the likelihood of any one given date actually
01:47:18.800
I mean, and if you go back into, you know, 1950s, you might go on one, two, three dates
01:47:26.980
People go on three dates and people go on three dates in a week, a month in today.
01:47:35.180
So, uh, but the big thing is, yeah, if you're sleeping with someone else, I have to like,
01:47:41.160
it's unfortunate, but like, yes, if I'm going on the first date with a girl, I'm going to
01:47:44.700
assume that you're fucking two other dudes and I'm going to treat the situation.
01:47:51.520
I'm actually going to assume maybe it's around five.
01:48:00.500
Um, but I'm, I'm going to assume that I'm going to assume, Hey, you're sleeping with
01:48:05.580
So I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles with someone who fucked a guy
01:48:12.220
Like I honestly, I would rather even not go on a date with you, but there's it.
01:48:18.540
I mean, I'm going to try to suss out if I'm, if they're like that or not, there, there
01:48:24.160
are some indicators to see if like, what are they?
01:48:27.020
Oh, I mean, there, there's a bunch, but I mean, name one to see it.
01:48:33.960
If she parties a lot, if she drinks a lot, there's greater likelihood that she's probably
01:48:37.640
engaging in casual sex, but don't get me wrong.
01:48:41.020
Some of these shy chicks, they be fucking, you never know.
01:48:48.260
Anyone can be a hoe, but like, and here's all the, also the big thing.
01:48:52.440
And I, I've given this anecdote, anecdote, anecdote before, um, that's a, it's a big
01:48:59.460
If you pay for a girl's dinner, don't do dinner dates guys.
01:49:03.400
But if you do, a lot of guys do, if you pay for her dinner and then, Oh, you have a really
01:49:10.240
She gives you the ass out hug, you know, the ass out hug gives you a little kiss on the
01:49:16.720
She goes over to the dude's house that she's fucking, who never has paid for her.
01:49:28.140
I don't think I would, would any of us do that?
01:49:33.200
You're going to get a to go bag with the food that he paid for.
01:49:37.600
You're going to take it to the guy's house who you're fucking.
01:49:43.180
I'd never feed a man for free, even if I didn't pay for it.
01:49:46.640
If I'm taking a doggy bag, it's for me and me only.
01:49:56.100
You eat it at the guy's house and then you fuck him.
01:50:05.720
People, but I think you're talking like this is a generalization.
01:50:09.080
I'm very much stressing this topic as then you think that this happens more often than
01:50:18.800
But I think that just simply what I'm getting right now is you think that this happens more
01:50:27.080
No, I think it's, I certainly think it's not, how, what is it?
01:50:32.780
It doesn't happen more often than it doesn't happen.
01:50:37.920
But I'm going to avoid the situation entirely by just not paying for a girl on the first
01:50:47.260
In this day and age, I think Brian's onto something.
01:50:50.660
I'm letting his male audience not do like food deeds.
01:50:54.140
But unless of course it's like a great girl who might be like more traditional and really
01:50:59.880
appreciate something like that, then you should because you're risking like losing a girl you
01:51:05.420
might really like by being like, I would never take you out on like a dinner date.
01:51:09.400
Like that could be like, there's a risk there obviously, but I mean, you know, I would trust
01:51:14.640
I think guys are good at figuring out which girls are like, I lose girls by not being
01:51:23.360
I don't think it's the, you not wanting to pay for it.
01:51:26.620
I think it's the fact that you think you're a whore.
01:51:32.620
But if your rationale is that you believe I'm a whore and that I'm not this traditional
01:51:44.040
Well, I've already articulated my other rationales for it.
01:51:48.820
And I don't think it's, uh, I think it's, it's actually a smart thing to go into a first
01:51:56.460
And instead of being all like, Oh my God, she's the best.
01:52:02.160
Or just like being really caught up in this one girl.
01:52:04.820
Like you got to realize, and I'm sure you guys, like you guys have girlfriends, maybe
01:52:10.100
You guys know dudes that are fucking players and fuck boys, whatever it may be.
01:52:15.040
You know how it is out there in 2022, how people are dating, how people are fucking around.
01:52:27.620
I think it's more women than men, but both men and women have, are seeing multiple people.
01:52:36.300
See, if you continue to go on dates with people our age, then obviously that's going to happen.
01:52:43.820
I have no idea what my type even is like, obviously I'm going to go on a lot of dates,
01:52:49.360
If you continue to date people in your age range, that might change.
01:52:53.100
I'm predominantly dating people between I'd say the age of 25 and 34 and you'd be surprised.
01:53:02.200
I recently went, well recently, maybe this was six months ago.
01:53:05.160
I went on a date with this woman who, I think she worked in the hospital.
01:53:18.100
She told me on the date, and by the way, she's not like, she's 33, fairly average, like not a stunner,
01:53:33.360
She told me, she had just downloaded, I met her on Hinge.
01:53:37.660
She told me that she had just gone Hinge and she had been, I was her, she had just been on Hinge for three days.
01:53:46.820
I was her second date and she had three dates planned for the weekend.
01:53:50.380
33 year old woman, average, five dates in a week, like set up.
01:53:59.600
So, most, her male looks equivalent, like don't take this the wrong way, lady, if you're reading this.
01:54:07.240
Her male looks equivalent could not secure that level of immediate scheduling of dates.
01:54:15.660
Well, it's easier for women to date than it is for men.
01:54:25.640
Look, the reality is it's very easy for women to secure dates with men.
01:54:32.760
Because I feel like guys tend to ask girls out more.
01:54:35.780
And so then if guys are asking girls out more, then girls are going to go out on more dates.
01:54:39.940
Well, yeah, women are, especially on dating apps, I mean, you guys are inundated.
01:54:52.320
If you were so inclined, I think every single girl at this table could have a date every single night of the week.
01:54:59.640
You might not have time to do it, but you could do it.
01:55:04.040
Most men, the vast majority of men, the vast majority of men would not be able to have a date every single night of the week.
01:55:12.340
Maybe the top 10% of men, top 20% of men, maybe.
01:55:17.700
But the average woman could have a date every single night of the week.
01:55:25.340
Because I also think that just like, if you're a really pretty guy, then like you probably could.
01:55:32.340
But like if you are an average looking guy, you're probably not getting asked out as much.
01:55:35.960
Or whoever you are asking might not always be telling you yes.
01:55:40.380
I think it's just like because girls always tend to get the offer, they can choose whether or not they want to say yes or no.
01:55:52.200
By the way, guys, get in your super chats here.
01:55:55.160
The super chats have been kind of directing the entire conversation.
01:55:57.960
But let's see, you got to have some top game to get away with the splitting move and not lose the girl.
01:56:04.380
Not one girl in the pod has had a positive reaction to it.
01:56:08.860
I think we all just had a pretty positive reaction.
01:56:14.600
By the way, guys, keep in mind, if you're in Florida, don't do this.
01:56:19.680
Also, I'm willing to, like, a lot of the women in California are pretty reasonable, like 50-50 type girls, like more left-leaning.
01:56:47.520
And then we have, let's see, when a trans woman says she's fine, does that mean she's had bottom surgery?
01:56:55.180
This isn't really related to dating, Flan Life.
01:57:04.280
I don't know what the commas think I am, though.
01:57:07.680
Well, thank you for the Canadian $10 soup chat.
01:57:45.480
I'm over Travis and Kourtney macking it and like tongue licking.
01:57:55.840
Okay, so Kim Kardashian will get $2,000 a month in child support from Ye as the couple
01:58:04.680
She also got the house next door that Kanye bought in the divorce, too.
01:58:11.640
I don't know if you guys know, but Kim Kardashian actually, her net worth is more than Kanye.
01:58:26.560
But it's interesting to me that even though that she, obviously, I'm assuming she has
01:58:32.180
a greater deal of custody of the children now that they're divorced, but she has $1.7
01:58:48.180
I think it's a good fuck you, and I think it's...
01:59:00.440
I mean, she's put that family through some stuff, too.
01:59:02.860
I know that you're probably a fan of hers, but I'm just saying.
01:59:09.580
I mean, there's probably way more than that, but...
01:59:14.880
The way you're saying that he loves Hitler is a little different.
01:59:16.980
No, the guy, I think, has a very serious mental health issue.
01:59:23.880
So, a lot of Kanye's issues probably come from his bipolar disorder.
01:59:29.140
If it was the wife who had a mental illness, bipolar disorder, would she still have to be
01:59:35.040
the one paying $200,000 a month to her ex-president?
01:59:44.420
I have serious mental health issues as well, and you don't see me spewing about Hitler.
01:59:49.300
I don't think that's something that I would share with you.
02:00:01.680
He has all the resources in the world to get his shit together and do this.
02:00:06.480
You think money can get rid of, like, a bipolar disorder?
02:00:09.240
No, I think he can give you a lot of resources that a lot of lower-income people cannot have.
02:00:14.780
But also, I also think on top of it is that I think a lot of Kim's problems have been in
02:00:19.780
the past, and, like, yeah, there are some, but it doesn't, like, level the same way that
02:00:27.100
He still, like, is pushing a lot of other stuff.
02:00:33.940
It comes to a point, like, okay, so you see all these famous people committing suicide
02:00:37.600
That comes from mental health, and they have all the money in the world.
02:00:41.200
You would think they have all the friends in the world, right?
02:00:43.300
So, I mean, clearly that doesn't bring you happiness and all the resources in the world.
02:00:49.160
But I think the greater issue is the fact that, you know, is this mass amount of money worth
02:00:56.700
It's not about, you know, I could cheat on my husband, and he could pay me out after
02:01:00.700
the divorce all he wants, and all my friends would back me up.
02:01:03.540
So, I mean, I guess, like, the issue of, like, why the relationship ended is not the principle.
02:01:08.760
It's about the kids and what is needed for them to conquer and, like, you know, have a
02:01:14.640
And that's what this whole court system is supposed to provide.
02:01:18.940
Do I think that this girl needs that much more?
02:01:28.680
No, you can't even spend it on yourself legally.
02:01:36.020
But it's like, does his kids need $200,000 a month?
02:01:45.280
Yeah, also, I'm not trying to take away from them.
02:01:46.940
If you haven't, if someone's going through a public mental health crisis, I don't know if
02:01:52.200
they're taking, like, and they've just lost all their money, I mean, does that seem fair
02:01:56.520
to take hundreds of thousands of dollars away from them, like, every month?
02:02:00.300
Like, their child will survive and be well-supported on less than that.
02:02:04.160
So, I think, like, why we're bringing it up here is, you know, like, it's just an interesting
02:02:09.040
Because traditionally, in American courts, women get almost always, except in extremely
02:02:14.380
rare circumstances, women always get the majority of the child support to pay, custody,
02:02:19.920
and, yeah, in this case, the custody thing, it makes sense, you know, if you're going
02:02:24.400
through, you know, one of the parents has mental health problems, that makes sense,
02:02:27.420
but it almost seems like it's, like, $200,000, though.
02:02:31.020
I don't know if that's fair, especially for someone who's, like, going through healing.
02:02:33.820
In this circumstance, I feel like it doesn't make sense.
02:02:38.620
I don't care if, like, you can have a very severe...
02:02:40.220
Well, it'll certainly be harder now than it would have been before.
02:02:44.620
I don't think he's really focused on his kids at all.
02:02:46.420
I don't even know actually why we're having this conversation about two famous people.
02:02:55.720
Like, I just don't really think this topic is very relevant or something that needs to
02:03:01.700
I genuinely don't see either the $200,000 either going to be in Kanye's pocket or it's
02:03:11.560
Okay, but it's also Kanye's fault for losing all of those, all that money.
02:03:15.900
But at the same time, Kanye wasn't upset about it.
02:03:18.320
He literally posted a video how he was like, I'm happy nobody's hurt because that's actually
02:03:40.480
I think it just, like, I mean, I'm gonna be honest.
02:03:43.760
If Kim kind of did the same exact thing in Kanye, I feel like it'd be fair the other
02:03:51.440
And, like, I feel like she has tried so hard to kind of, like, distance herself from that
02:03:56.080
And, like, he, at least I don't know currently, but, like, in the past of what I've read,
02:04:00.560
like, he kind of continues to put that burden on her.
02:04:05.560
So, I feel like, I don't necessarily think she needs the money or the kids need the money
02:04:15.140
But if the roles were reversed, I think that would make sense if she was paying $200,000.
02:04:20.700
It might make sense, but I think, like, the point I'm trying to make is I do not think
02:04:25.460
in an American court system that would ever be the case.
02:04:28.020
Where, like, if the mother was the one who had a bipolar disorder and did the exact same
02:04:41.580
It's probably going to be messed up for a very, very long time.
02:04:51.680
But it's good to talk about it in the same way that, like, we wanted to talk, you know,
02:04:54.860
you wanted to talk earlier about the importance of having diversity in advertisements.
02:05:10.180
And so this Kim K example is obviously just a spotlight, you know, big celebrity example
02:05:14.800
of something that doesn't get talked about that maybe should.
02:05:30.120
That's probably all the money he had left, too.
02:06:03.380
I, without knowing it, went on a first date with someone who was, I think it was a felon.
02:06:22.980
Such a green flag if someone shows up with an ankle monitor.
02:06:28.040
My friends will literally never let me let it down.
02:06:33.600
So, I should have done more background research there.
02:06:42.340
What if he was like, but at least he didn't make me split the check.
02:06:47.300
Not enough to outweigh the unfortunate red flag of an ankle monitor, but.
02:06:58.700
But he was explained, like, his friends got into a fight and he jumped in the fight and
02:07:04.140
was just, like, swinging at anyone who wasn't his friend.
02:07:07.220
The cops got involved and he accidentally swung at a cop.
02:07:10.960
And so, because swinging at a cop, I'm pretty sure.
02:07:17.400
So, unfortunately, I won't be seeing him again.
02:07:21.320
But, I, yeah, I, I wouldn't have known unless he brought it up, so.
02:07:27.500
I'm glad he was honest, but, yeah, I should have probably done some background.
02:07:51.700
Ladies, if you want a man with thick hands, look for the dude coming to fix stuff in your
02:08:05.160
I think thick hands, in his perspective, is like a strong dude.
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That's what, I think that's what he's implying.
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Well, we did a segment on last show because we, I had another guy on the show with me
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and he's this jacked fucking massive bodybuilder.
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And he's got like these big fucking super strong, big man hands and I have like piano
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So we did this kind of meme sus segment where we compared, we asked the girls to pick just
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You know damn well 2.4 mil isn't being spent on the kid per year.
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I mean, maybe she puts it in like the kid's piggy bank.
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So like, just the stuff she wears, I'm sure is over like $1 million.
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Kanye literally just took a ride out to go shopping.
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I'm no, I'm no, um, Kardashian expert, but I don't think it's Palms.
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I don't know anything about you, so I don't know how to know.
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Rain Jim, you're going to have to tell us a little more about yourself, you know.
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Maybe there's some information in the name, like Rain Jim 65, that he was born in 65.
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Daral, thank you for the nine British pounds, I believe.
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Last time I had my, my, me and my friend were on here, her name's Aja, what were you calling
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I don't know how to pronounce it, but thank you.
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They, well, I saw some people defending me last time when the only fans girl was saying
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I'm, I know that's not the case, but that was, that was pretty, that was pretty good.
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I think she was just roasting, like she's just fucking around, you know?
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All I said was I wouldn't personally do OnlyFans.
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If you said that to me, I'd be like, okay, yeah.
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I was like, cause I, I'm really close to my brother.
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I mean, also like there's other reasons, but that was just like the first one that,
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that's the only one I shared with them is like why I wouldn't do it.
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On the topic of OnlyFans, you have an OnlyFans, correct?
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I personally don't like to talk about like specific numbers, but I will say.
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Um, my, my, uh, net per month is over, is about like 3,000.
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Cause I already like, I don't have a following.
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Um, and it's also my only job that brings in an income, but I don't plan on doing it for
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I'm just doing it to pay for college right now.
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So that's where like a lot of my income comes in.
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And then, uh, also the subscriptions, but I try to post at least like almost every day.
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If not, like, I'll, I just like will post like a comment or something.
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Just try to like interact with my fans, you know?
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It's a fun job, but I wouldn't recommend it if you're not comfortable posting stuff like
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And then I want to do some girl, girl collabing, but I haven't met up with anyone yet.
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Um, when you do BG, is it with just one person or is it with new guys?
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Um, I have done it with different guys currently.
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I'm doing it just with one guy in particular, just cause I like to have, if I'm like doing
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a collab with someone, I like them to do like STI testing and STD testing.
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Um, so I just choose to do it with one person normally for like a long period of time.
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I thought she was pretty cool, but she didn't think I was.
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Do you want to like give a little wink to Shane?
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I should have been shouting this out like more.
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Thank you for, by the way, Eric, thank you for pulling that up.
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Uh, actually, before you play it, let me, let me, hold on.
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Um, so Mia Khalifa was recently, I guess, Emily Ratatouille, as we'll call her.
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Um, she has like a podcast, had Mia Khalifa on as a guest.
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She had this recent take, uh, and I wanted to react to it.
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Um, I have my take, but we'll have the girls react to it first.
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Any guy who goes after a girl significantly younger than them is severely lacking in their
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And I, I mean that confidence wise, I mean, like they are falling short in so many places
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that that is the only place they can turn to, to feel like they have, they have something
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I mean, there's just no way to kind of, because you're manipulating someone who is not aware
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I don't feel like it's very weird if like a 30 year old who's like in their young thirties
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is dating someone in their like mid young twenties, like actually, actually no, if they're dating
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If they're dating in young twenties, I think it's a bit weird because there's so much development
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Um, so I personally think it's a little bit odd, but I don't necessarily think it means
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I feel like if an older man is going after a younger girl, I don't think it's about a
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Um, and I think it's okay to like a young woman and cause she's hot and I get that.
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There is some perverts out there, so watch out for them ladies, but I don't think that's
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Um, I mean, personally, I would never date someone that's over 10 years, fucking like
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I think one, there will be a disconnect to it is a little creepy, especially giving my
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I was literally a minor like a year and a half ago, so it's pretty close to the edge.
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I'm an adult, but it's still like, I, I would not feel comfortable doing that.
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I also think that men, I mean, this goes for younger men going for younger women, like
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a senior going for a freshman or a 25 year old going for a high school student.
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But what I'm trying to say is that I could get it under some circumstances, but it's also
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like, why does he need to go for younger women?
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It's, I mean, I feel like a lot of guys who go for younger women just can't get women their
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And that's a red flag to me, unless it is genuinely just a sexual, sexual, sexual preference.
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Well, just on, on that point, I would, I would argue that actually for a guy say in his early
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thirties or whatever, to be dating a woman who's say 1920 or 21, he actually has to be much
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more attractive to get a woman that young than to be dating a woman his age.
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I mean, yes and no, I think it's more about being attractive.
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And when you're younger, it's kind of cool to be like, yeah, my boyfriend's older and
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yeah, my boyfriend's a big time lawyer and he does all this shit and you have to be older
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So maybe he has to be super attractive, but I don't think it's just about that.
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Well, I mean, attractive, it could be physically attractive.
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It could be status, it could be personality, it could be, um, finances, but, uh, shit.
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It's just, I personally wouldn't date anyone probably over 27 maybe.
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I don't want a guy who's like super overly like much, like mature than me and has so
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much life experience that like I feel inferior.
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Like I want to be able to grow with the person I'm with, not feel like I'm like bringing
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So I always am on the side of it's not predatory because I don't believe my dad's a predator.
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Cause my parents are 10 years apart, like to the day, but at the same time, I do see
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some tendencies with guys where it is more predatory rather than like, cause like how
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she said, like, why aren't they dating people their own age?
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But at the same time, like I do see some guys only wanting to date younger women.
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So they feel like, like Mia said that like have some power over them or kind of be a little
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And if like, that's the motive, then that's not good.
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There's always going to be cases where like men are predatory, they're pregnant or girls.
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But what Mia Cleefa said was any guy who goes for a woman significantly younger is predatory.
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My mom is objectively significantly younger than my dad.
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My dad loves my mom and they just fell in love.
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Well, I mean, like, would we say it's weird if an older woman was going for a younger guy?
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Like they, there's so many guys out there that go to this certain club that have these
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So, I mean, like, again, maturity, preference, I think sexual.
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And it is interesting that she's, she left out men there.
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She didn't, there was no caveat like, oh, also women too.
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So there, there does seem to be a bit of a double standard there.
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I would like to see more of what they were saying.
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I mean, that was kind of just like a little sound, but you can do whatever you want with
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I, I'd like to actually watch the full thing and then I judge it, but yeah.
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Unfortunately, that was all that was available.
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It was on like, their podcast isn't on, the whole video wasn't released yet.
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It was just like, they released these snippets like previews or whatever.
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So, um, but I, I'm going to assume that's most of the conversation around that, but, um,
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but yeah, certainly perhaps they did add some additional caveats or whatever, but also just
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to clarify, I, I didn't mean to, uh, I wasn't trying to like convince you that you were wrong
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You're totally free to have your preference of, Hey, I'd rather date someone, you know,
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Um, I was just more wanting, wanted clarification on why you think it's creepy.
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Like if a 19 year old wants to date a 40 year old and like, as long as all of it's consensual,
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Like, I mean, sometimes I don't even think that it's always guys going for girls.
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Like, I think that tends to be the case, but I mean, some girls do prefer older guys,
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I have a close friend of mine who actively goes out of her way to like date men who are
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When I just like right shortly after I turned 18, I tried to pursue a guy that was like 28,
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It's not always the guy pursuing the younger girl.
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I'm trying to think what I was going to go for.
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I'm kind of actually surprised by a lot of the answers because you often get quite a
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bit of pushback on this one, but there's some pretty good answers there.
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So I would say, yes, generally men are attracted to younger women for a myriad of reasons.
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Me personally, most of the women I did, I'd around my age range, I'd say 25 to 33.
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So, I mean, I'm open, but generally speaking, in terms of the women that I would say I find
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the most physically attractive 18 to 25, and they've done studies on this, men all the
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They say, what demographic of women in terms of age do you find most physically attractive?
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And they all, it's usually, it's between the age of 18 and like 22, 23.
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I mean, like, if we think about it, like, historically, like, it kind of like follows a pattern because
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like historically, like 30, 40 year old men were marrying 14 year old girls.
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So like, not saying that that should be a thing.
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It should definitely be two adults consenting into a relationship or whatever they're doing.
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But like, historically, it kind of makes sense why men tend to be attracted to younger women.
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But yeah, like, it makes sense historically, like, why that pattern would continue to follow through.
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But I personally, my own preference, like, I wouldn't date anyone who's much, much older than me.
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Yeah, no, I mean, you were on the panel last time when, I mean, most of the show, I think we were debating about that.
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We took a jump from, like, the jump went from, like.
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But it was like, and then it was a whole, like, how is this the same thing?
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Like, I brought up the same point about my parents.
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So I'm like, how is that, like, the same thing?
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Um, but yeah, I mean, the, in the clip, they say, hey, that's predatory.
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That's, what were the, what was, he doesn't, what is, he doesn't have his life to, I don't know.
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Like, yeah, he doesn't, there's something wrong with him that he needs to have power over something in his life.
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Do you think Leonardo DiCaprio has something wrong with him?
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I think it's weird to, like, if you're spending so much time with a woman and, like, you're.
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What's, what, what's up, come on, what do you think?
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No, it's just, I'm just thinking right now, like.
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I mean, it's just an interesting age range that you have.
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No, this is not about you, like, being creepy or anything.
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No, I'm just saying, like, we're all very young.
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Like, it's just interesting that you don't have other women on this podcast that are, like, 30s.
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There's much more college students than there are, I would say, professional.
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It just happens to be the case that most of the people that end up on the show probably do skew a bit, like, college age.
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But, I mean, I've had, we had, I think, some of the oldest, probably women in our 40s.
02:31:18.280
The last episode, didn't you have a bunch of 30-year-olds?
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Because I feel like I started watching it, and everyone started saying that they were, like, older.
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We get a variety, but sometimes we'll have, like, let me see.
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Okay, well, we had a mom on, who was, like, in her, who was 33.
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Before that, we had a 28-year-old, oh, that was the one you were on.
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I mean, maybe it's just the ones that I've watched, but.
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I was just, like, oh, like, if I was older, maybe I would have something better to say
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But, yeah, no, I mean, like, ultimately, one of the reasons, or probably one of the big
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reasons that men prefer young women, it's just hardwired attraction traits.
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Young women are more capable of bringing a pregnancy to term, so they're more likely
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Once you hit 35, you're getting into geriatric pregnancy territory, much more likely for birth
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Yeah, 35 and up, much more likely to have birth defects, much more likely to have difficulty
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But, yeah, like, around the age of 35, like, your ability to get pregnant and have a healthy
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Yeah, and then there's a greater likelihood of miscarriage, so men, for evolutionary reasons,
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And, I mean, women also have biological evolutionary attraction triggers for men.
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Articulate to me what precisely about someone who's tall makes them more attractive.
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Growing up being 5'7", like, I was always taller than all the guys that I grew up in school
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So, most guys get that skirt way later in life, right?
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But, yeah, it sucked, because dances, that plays a primary role in the height situation,
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It always had to be a preference for me, because it was forced on it, and guys didn't
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want to dance with me because they were shorter than me.
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And so, like, I always felt like, man, I'm not going to go out with a guy who's not
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going to be interested in my height and think I'm, like, an ogre, you know what I mean?
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Not to get science-y and boring, because I don't know if, you know, the audience
02:35:11.860
So, the reason why, like, girls want a guy who's taller, there's nothing that means
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you're, like, necessarily more of a man by being taller and more of a woman by how short
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But, in, like, human mating psychology, I mean, this is a case for, like, most primates
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or, like, any species, but there's something called sexual dimorphism, so it's wanting
02:35:36.040
As different you feel as a woman than to, like, the guy, you feel more feminine, and
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You're more attracted to a guy who's more different than you and less similar to you,
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and a male's more attractive to a woman who is more different than him.
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So, why, like, there's typically a societal preference, or, like, women prefer to, like,
02:35:58.080
Like, it's the women have the long hair, men have short hair.
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Even if that's not natural and we exaggerate it, it's because we...
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You know, sexual dimorphism being, like, as different as possible between the sexes...
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Would any of you guys date someone who's shorter than you?
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But I'm gonna be honest, if a guy's shorter than me, then I want him to have, like, a
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The guy I was with, he had a really great personality, so I was like, okay.
02:36:31.900
Yeah, or if you'll just, like, love them, like, can't really...
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No, but you said if you do date a short guy, you want him to be jacked.
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I'm just saying, Victoria's Secret, they're fucking up.
02:37:05.220
Plan Life, thank you for the five gifted memberships.
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Yeah, thank you for the gifted memberships, man.
02:37:36.140
George Ontiveros, make sure to opt in for gifts.
02:37:38.800
So you should be able to do it if you click on the green icon there at the top of the chat.
02:37:44.280
Below it, it should say, like, allow gifts, opt, something like that.
02:37:48.780
So in order to receive a gifted membership, you have to do allow gifts.
02:37:54.580
We've been having some issues with the gifted memberships.
02:37:58.260
But Eric, can you pull back up Twitch, por favor?
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Caboose, holy shit, he gave out five community gifted subs.
02:39:10.260
By the way, guys, just another friendly reminder here.
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If you have an Amazon Prime sub, it's totally free.
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If you have Amazon Prime, you can link into your Twitch.
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Okay, so, is there anything dating related that you want to get off your chest?
02:39:40.860
Maybe you have something that you dislike about dating.
02:39:48.680
I feel bad when, like, I go out on a date with, like, a guy who's super sweet and, like, super nice,
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but I just don't get that connection with him, that spark.
02:39:57.920
And, like, how are you supposed to break that to him?
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You're just, like, not sexually attracted to him.
02:40:20.580
And there was, like, a couple of nights where I was, like, really fucked up.
02:40:25.080
By hookup, we just, like, made out in the Senate.
02:40:29.340
He's texting my friends, like, I miss Maya so much.
02:40:34.340
And then he sent me videos being, like, I'm gonna be so real.
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And I feel, like, in this day and age, we're so conditioned to ghosting people.
02:40:47.260
Instead of being, like, look, I'm not interested.
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And I don't think I've ever been taught or really learned how to do something like that.
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It's always, like, you'll never fucking see me again.
02:40:58.580
So, for me, I just talked to him literally today.
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I think you're really sweet and you're really nice.
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I was like, yeah, I'm just simply not interested in you.
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I think you're really sweet and you're a really great person.
02:41:49.280
If they can be a little goofy with me, I like that.
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Because you could be with someone who's like a great person.
02:42:13.900
But if there's no chemistry, like there's no point in being with him.
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I guess I got like a friend vibe with him instead of a like boyfriend sort of vibe.
02:42:29.380
That's interesting because I'm looking for someone who's like my best friend.
02:42:34.100
So I've had like lots of guys, you know, I've gone, you know, on dates and they're nice.
02:42:42.820
They're kind to me, they're cute, but just none of them have felt like best friend.
02:42:48.880
And not that like your boyfriend has to be your best friend.
02:42:53.960
You see like that's I'm looking for like if I that's how I'm like learning how to weed out which of these people, you know,
02:42:59.920
I would see again or go on a second date with or something.
02:43:02.600
It's like if I wouldn't be their friend outside of this, then that's how I know I like shouldn't, you know, go on a second date or something.
02:43:12.200
The last guy I was dating, he I did not feel a spark the first time we hung out.
02:43:17.240
Like because we met at a bar and like I was had my drunk goggles on and I was like, you're cute.
02:43:28.060
But then the first time like I didn't feel a spark like I felt very much friend vibes.
02:43:32.560
But then I was like, you know, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
02:43:37.480
Still kind of felt that way, but felt more like intrigued by him.
02:43:40.260
And then by like third, fourth date, I was like, OK, yes, I do like him.
02:43:52.000
I mean, what's have you guys had like such a terrible date before?
02:43:56.000
Like what's been the worst date you've ever gone on?
02:44:04.680
I just realized I just realized that I didn't miss a couple of super chats.
02:44:20.760
I subscribed your channel more than five years.
02:44:31.240
And first off, work on your grammar a little bit.
02:44:38.420
So the Asian men definitely struggle when it comes to dating outside their race.
02:44:45.520
Honestly, you're going to just have to, you're going to have to level up, get your finances right, get fucking fit.
02:45:00.480
But yeah, I do think a lot of people do seem to have a, I don't know.
02:45:09.500
Like, I've heard a lot of women say that they don't find themselves.
02:45:26.480
I've heard a lot of women say that they just, and I think it's okay for people to have preferences, right?
02:45:30.960
But I've heard them say, hey, I just don't find Asian men attractive.
02:45:42.420
I'm Korean, by the way, but my preference is white as well.
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I don't know how to pronounce his name, but I am Korean.
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I'm sure there's a white girl out there that will want you, man.
02:46:29.960
I didn't seem like you're going to say anything.
02:46:31.500
If I, if he's, if the question is how to get like American girls, I don't know, maybe make
02:46:37.740
them feel like special and cool, like play the foreign card that you seem like, oh, American
02:46:48.820
Actually, I wouldn't recommend acknowledging that you're an American girl.
02:46:52.600
That might make them feel like you're trying to exotify them.
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I mean, there's someone out there for everyone.
02:47:17.480
I'm just saying you're going to have to do the little frilly feminine hair shit or whatever
02:47:37.620
I recently read a statistic, though, that, um, I think Asian men do tend to struggle a
02:47:43.380
bit more when it comes to dating than their female counterparts, than Asian women.
02:47:47.700
Um, there's something like, uh, Asian women are about twice as likely to marry outside of
02:47:56.080
And I think the number is something like, there's a Wikipedia page on this.
02:48:00.960
I don't know if I can, if it's worth pulling up.
02:48:03.320
But basically, I think it's like, if there's 150,000, uh, Asian women in the U.S. who are
02:48:08.780
in interracial marriages, or sorry, excuse me, if there's 300 million, or sorry, if there's
02:48:14.920
300,000 Asian women who are in interracial marriages, there's only 150,000 Asian men who
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And I think looking at those statistics would confirm that it's a bit more difficult for
02:48:29.040
Asian men to, uh, date, date outside of their race.
02:48:35.240
I think they, I, I can't speak for everyone, but I just feel like I notice that Asians tend
02:48:43.900
to kind of like hang out together and kind of, you know, date each other.
02:48:48.560
And even in high school, we, we had an Asian tree and like, that's, and it's so funny to
02:48:53.200
say that, but literally it's because they all hung out there and they all like hooked up
02:48:56.840
with each other and, you know, grew on, you know, but I, I do feel like it's a cultural
02:49:05.600
Do you think that, and also maybe we should clarify, cause he's, um, he's not Asian American.
02:49:11.820
It sounds like he says he's Korean, but he's living in Arizona.
02:49:15.440
So I definitely think that could be another factor because, um, I mean, judging by his
02:49:21.420
grammar, maybe he's not as proficient in English.
02:49:25.540
I mean, speaking and writing are two different things, but, um, yeah, I think there's probably
02:49:31.800
an even greater disadvantage for him because he's, uh, foreign born instead of being Asian
02:49:44.780
And I know you mentioned that there was like, uh, what did you say?
02:49:53.720
Well, they had a tree where they would actually sit and hang out and eat lunch at.
02:50:00.700
But wait, you called it that or other people, other people, you go to high school.
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And I was, you, you were part of both factions.
02:50:33.300
So we have red misfit here with the $10 soup chat.
02:50:37.020
Is it me or do women make everything ambiguous and complicated, including their sexuality?
02:50:41.600
I think it's because a lot of their decisions have to do with their emotions, feelings.
02:50:50.560
Um, the girls kind of had a reaction to your soup chat.
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So why don't I open it up to them first before I give you my answer?
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Don't make any words with emotions or feelings.
02:51:08.420
I feel like systematically women are told they can express their emotions more than men.
02:51:15.420
Um, so I feel like that's why we tend to come off as more emotional because we were raised
02:51:20.200
to kind of embrace that side of ourselves where like men aren't always when they're younger
02:51:25.220
they're most of the time they're told like, don't cry, like don't be emotional.
02:51:28.040
So I think that kind of has a factor in it where like women kind of embrace that side
02:51:34.140
Um, I don't know what you mean about including their sexuality though.
02:51:38.600
Like he might be implying that we're confused just because we're wishy-washy with our emotions.
02:51:44.460
Oh, might it, might he be suggesting that there are more women who are bi-curious than there
02:51:51.800
I think that's also has to do a lot with kind of with that men are kind of taught or expected
02:51:59.340
to be not emotionless, not emotionless, but very macho and very masculine and very strong.
02:52:05.200
And apparently somewhere down the line, emotions became a feminine trait.
02:52:12.080
And I think that we have allowed ourselves to explore our sexuality more.
02:52:18.420
And I feel like a lot of other men, if they had the ability to do so, you would find are
02:52:26.780
I think it's that men are afraid to and almost expected not to and feel like as if they're not
02:52:38.960
Um, well, I guess you asked me so I can give you my, my take.
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I mean, I would say generally speaking, uh, in terms of making everything ambiguous,
02:52:59.960
Um, in the, in the sense that like, I don't know, have you guys ever had a situation where
02:53:05.140
there's like a, maybe you've, maybe not you, but you've seen like a female friend and you're
02:53:12.740
And the minute she leaves, you're like, fuck that bitch.
02:53:17.520
I mean, men, okay, whatever stereotype, Brian, because I know that bitch is acting the same
02:53:31.740
They're like, Oh, and then they're talking shit behind your back or whatever.
02:53:37.060
Like not everything's about like, you're a bitch, you're a bitch.
02:53:39.780
Well, if you're in like a workplace setting or if you're mutual friends with this person
02:53:43.900
or you have a lot of connections, like, you know what, just bite the bullet and be like
02:53:57.160
Would date, would date a guy that could, could, would, could, would.
02:54:06.120
It's, it's, it's, uh, sushi and Italian food, 31 years old and J I play guitar and
02:54:12.100
He's like, Oh, remember we told him to get more information.
02:54:16.660
Um, he cooks Mexican food, sushi and Italian food, 31 years old and, uh, New Jersey.
02:54:21.880
I play guitar and sing very well thinking about joining a band.
02:54:33.360
If you had correct grammar and range him, you're going to have, I play the drums.
02:54:52.580
I like a man who can cook personally range him.
02:54:56.220
Would you be down to fly any of these girls out for a date?
02:55:13.480
To be honest, I'm just disappointed that Mike Davis hasn't been in chat for weeks.
02:55:30.360
Honestly, I might, I might have to take it down.
02:55:35.780
If you guys don't know, he on, he's a proprietor.
02:55:38.220
He owns, uh, many Burger King establishments on the East coast.
02:55:42.760
So if you guys, he's like a big supporter of the show.
02:55:45.440
So if you guys are ever, you know, on the East coast, let me know.
02:55:52.520
He'll hook it up with some fucking Burger Kings whenever you want.
02:56:28.480
It used to be his normal photo, but, um, Mike Davis, if I don't see you next show by next
02:56:46.880
So we have big flan life here with the, uh, Canadian $100.
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You probably don't even speak French, but whatever.
02:57:42.700
Okay, so, um, Eric, can you just type into Google 100 Canadian so we can show the chat?
02:58:01.560
He's kind of abusing the, the red, uh, you know, just saying.
02:58:10.320
Um, yeah, maybe one day the Canadian dollar will equalize a bit better.
02:58:20.020
Uh, we have flan life here with the subsequent, uh, Canadian $10.
02:58:27.460
Uh, do women find redheads slash gingers attractive?
02:58:37.100
Like, I think ginger women are attractive, but for men...
02:58:47.740
Um, I believe the only people who can have, like, this natural hair is if, like, they're,
02:58:52.800
I'm pretty sure if they're, like, Mexican or, like, Latino, and they have the, um, like,
02:58:59.400
So my dad is actually a redhead with full body freckles.
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And it's actually from his Korean side, believe it or not.
02:59:12.600
For some reason, when I was really young, I did, and I think that's because I had a thing
02:59:23.740
There's no one that I, like, specifically don't find attractive, but more often than not,
02:59:32.400
Most of the time, I, like, dyed red hair, but most of the time when I've seen natural
02:59:39.160
redheads, I just don't think they're attractive.
02:59:58.640
Anything dating related that you want to get off on your chest?
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I think you, you, did you say, you said something, right?
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I was, yeah, asking about everyone's, like, worst date, like...
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What has been the worst date I've ever gone on?
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So, I really, like, this guy and I just didn't vibe right.
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It's going to the part where we're just getting to know each other.
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He immediately was like, well, meanwhile, back in the ranch, you know, me and my boys,
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my aunt, Mama Jo, like, we went in, we went to the farm and did all this stuff.
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And then it kind of just persisted on to him showing me his guy's group chat.
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Like, I know men have group chats, but, like, I'm not supposed to be seeing it.
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Like, I know I'm not supposed to be seeing that.
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So, and he's, like, has five guys in this chat.
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He's like, yeah, let me show you what me and my boys are talking about today.
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And I literally tell him, like, look, you know, I appreciate the date and everything.
03:01:32.820
But I really feel like this is getting really appropriate.
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I even told him, I was like, if we can, like, change the topic, that would be great.
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If not, I'm not going to finish my drink and I'm going to leave.
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And I was trying to, you know, relieve the situation and be like, look, I had, you know,
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we could just try to, like, start new conversation.
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And I ended up just leaving my drink and leaving.
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And that was the first and only time I've ever done that and left somebody at the spot.
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I mean, I felt like no guy would want to share that information.
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One, because that's his friends telling their private life.
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Two, it really shows what kind of person you are.
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I wouldn't, well, I don't have a group chat, so I wouldn't be, but that, yeah, that's not
03:02:42.560
I remember once I was in Philly over the summer, and I was going out with this guy, and I think
03:02:50.240
It was kind of like, it was, there was always, like, this weird, awkward tension, like, we
03:02:55.480
We were in Rittenhouse Square, and we're sitting on this park bench, and I go to kiss him, but,
03:03:05.960
And, like, so I, like, put my hand on him like this, and then I just kind of, like, slap
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And I was, like, oh, oh, I started freaking out.
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I was, like, no, there was, like, there was just a bug on your face.
03:03:21.960
Like, there's just something on your face, and then I just kept, like, touching his face,
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And then after that, I found out that his brother was this guy who I hooked up with a
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I had known this guy that I worked with before, and we had gone on, like, two dates before.
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He was trying to be, like, oh, like, I want to buy you a new outfit so you can go out with
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me, he sends me 50 bucks, and I was, like, uh, I'm going to need at least 100, so then
03:04:10.000
We drive all the way to Oxnard, and we go to Gen Korean Barbecue, so you, like, cook in
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So the whole time, like, he's just trying to be, like, all close and, like, touchy-feely
03:04:18.000
and, like, touch my leg, and I'm, like, okay, like, can we wait at least if you want to act
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I tell him to put a song on that I love, and then I, you can tell if you don't know a song,
03:04:32.620
and he just tries to start singing the song, and, like, it was the cringiest moment of my
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life, and he was, like, like, a second, like, completely off, and I was just, like, okay,
03:04:45.180
He parks by the beach, and he's, like, so what's up?
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I was, like, honestly, at this point, like, at this point, if you can't even sing the song
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I like, and you're acting like you're trying to sing the song, like, take me home, and he
03:05:00.640
I took you to dinner, and now you're acting like this, and I was, like, I'm gonna act
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like this, because you're taking me home, and then he just got mad, and I was, like, well,
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Shit, I mean, like, if at the end of the date, someone, like, tries to guilt trip you into
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being, like, well, I paid for you, it's, like, what am I, a fucking prostitute?
03:05:30.640
I don't have, mine, I don't have any, like, dates that went really bad, just, um, it's
03:05:39.200
just a bad date when you, like, think you're on a date, and then find out that it's not
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That's the only bad dates I've been on, is, like, going on things that you, like, I, like,
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So you're, like, when you friended a guy, and it's kind of like, ugh.
03:05:55.340
I think, like, the only, like, worst thing that's happened is, like, a guy, like, him
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not really wanting, like, saying he wants to go out on a date, and then he's just, like,
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oh, like, you get there, and he's just, like, so, like, you down to fuck.
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I'm, like, oh, I thought we were gonna, like, have a nice evening together, and, like, get
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Like, I think that's probably been the worst experience I've had.
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And I was, like, uh, I'm, like, I don't even know you.
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You're, like, you just picked me up five seconds ago.
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No, or, like, when you're expecting, like, you, I feel like it's when you're not, you haven't
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come up with a distinct plan, but you're expecting, like, either to go out to dinner
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And then, oh, I actually, I do have a worst date.
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I was supposed to go on a date with this guy, and I had left my house and gone to get coffee,
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and it was, like, nine o'clock at night, and I, he was supposed to be ready at eight,
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so I went and got coffee, and I was, like, oh, I'll just, like, sit in the coffee parking
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lot, and I'll, like, drink coffee and wait for him.
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I waited in that parking lot for three hours until 12 o'clock, and I had,
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I had been talking to this guy for, like, a couple months, and he just completely ghosted
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I would, and it was really sad, because, like, the first time him and I ever hung out, like,
03:07:14.900
Like, it was really great, and I was really enjoying his company, and then, like, all
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Uh, we had been on, this would have been the third date, actually.
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Yeah, and, like, the night before, he had been texting me, and, like, he was drunk, and he was
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just, like, I like you so much, like, I'm so into you, I can't wait to see
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Like, yeah, so I'm assuming that he's into me, because why would you tell someone that
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And then, next day, like, I got all ready for this date.
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I should have, but, yeah, and he ghosted me, and I waited in that parking lot for three
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Because I was really trying to get to know him, and he didn't seem like he was expecting
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Like, you know, grinding and shit, but then I thought on the third date we were going
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I was so down for it, but then he ghosted me, so.
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He was like, no, like, it was fun to pretend I could do this, but.
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Yeah, well, and then he texted me because I'm like, hey, can I have my bathing suit
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I'm going back to Santa Barbara, and he texted me, like, a month later after that, after I
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sent that text, and he's like, oh, sorry, I was out of the country.
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And there was no communication with him until the bathing suit thing.
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I think so, too, because I thought we both had been, like, talking for a long time, and,
03:09:22.500
Like, I thought, I wasn't expecting anything serious, but, because I was going back to
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Santa Barbara, and I think he was going back to Santa Maria, but.
03:09:36.700
He lived in Sacramento and went to CC here, so we both would have been staying in the same
03:09:48.100
So, he, did he meet up with you to give you the swimsuit, or what happened there?
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No, I'm still, I texted him, I was like, he was like, oh, hey, sorry, out of the country.
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I'm like, okay, when can I get my bathing suit?
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I mean, I did get a new bathing suit, but I still wanted my bathing suit back, because
03:10:24.600
Why would I want to acknowledge anyone who, like, does that type of stuff?
03:10:37.460
Like, I feel so terrible at that, but I'm thinking, like, I know girlfriends who...
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Girls should have to guys on a daily basis, like, really lead them on, like, because
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they like them, but, like, you know, like, think they're going on dates, and then we'll
03:10:59.100
Not only did she get ghosted, she got stood up.
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No, and, like, him and I had been, like, texting that night, and then all of a sudden
03:11:09.340
I mean, you shouldn't have waited three hours, though.
03:11:25.560
Okay, well, in any case, as far as people being late on dates, like, I think 30 minutes
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30 minutes max, and if they're 10 minutes, 15 minutes late, like, you need to be hitting
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But, yeah, 30 minutes maximum, and then you just leave.
03:11:50.980
His sister was at the house, so I should have known from then.
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Would that be a big L, like, if he gave your bathing suit to, like, a new girl he was dating?
03:12:15.560
All right, before I give you my worst date, I'm gonna do a couple soup chats.
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Before I do soup chats, can you pull up Twitch really quick, Eric?
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Sour Milk and Pennies, thank you for the follow.
03:15:11.020
To the panel, do you think the opposite sex has it easier in general?
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Lukewarm, let me, I'll pull this back up in a little bit just because it's a question.
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Eric, remind me if I forget, but we will pull this back up.
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I'm Asian, Indian, and had no issue attracting white girls.
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I'm the most publicly rejected person in the history of the world.
03:15:54.840
Well, okay, it was a set of social experiments.
03:15:56.800
We had a girl go up to guys, ask them straight up, hey, do you want to have sex?
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I did the same thing, just going up to girls being like, hey, do you want to hook up?
03:16:09.940
I got, well, I did it two times, once here in the U.S., once in Europe.
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I got one yes in Europe out of 200, and none in the U.S.
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So, technically, I'm the most publicly rejected human in the history of the universe.
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That's a fucking Guinness World Record right there.
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It doesn't matter if you're white, black, whatever.
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You got to just got to be fucking doing, fuck, what is it, quantity?
03:16:48.680
Yeah, guys, you have to be, fuck, there's a term for it.
03:16:56.280
Okay, Eric, can you pull up in the Dropbox podcast folder, can you pull up Habsburg Jaw?
03:17:11.040
Because I'm going to tell you one of my, I'll do two.
03:17:20.640
Apparently, he was talking about a few people that were in it.
03:17:29.780
Oh, girl on the, oh, I thought he was talking to Tara.
03:18:08.340
So, um, I think I've told this before, long time ago.
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You're not getting, you're not getting your, uh, Eric, what class do you play in World of Warcraft?
03:18:44.740
Eric, you, you play, you play a paladin, don't you?
03:19:13.560
I probably didn't say sharp, but I said eight, 8 PM.
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I'm already there five minutes early BTW by the way, because I'm punctual and for other
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reasons, she texts me at 8 PM and says, Hey, I'm running a bit late.
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I'm like, well, you could have texted me that 10 minutes ago before I left, but okay, whatever.
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Something that I value a lot is someone who's punctual first date, first impression.
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If you're going to be 30 minutes late, that that's a problem.
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I'm a, I'm a be like, feel a certain type of way about that.
03:20:06.760
And it's okay if they're a bit late, like, and if they let you know ahead of time, but
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she didn't really, she sent me two texts and she didn't let me know ahead of time.
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But the big thing is when she showed up, there was no apology.
03:20:20.740
There was no, it didn't need to be, I didn't need like a, oh my God, Brian, I'm so sorry.
03:20:31.400
So I was like, okay, I'm going to torpedo this date and she was catfishing because she
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was doing some crazy angle shit with her photos.
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If you know your angles, well, hold on because Eric, pull up the photo.
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I think she might've been like a descendant from the Royal line because she was, she looked
03:21:40.440
So I forgot exactly what I did, but she was like,
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I didn't even want to get a drink at that point.
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I'm like, nah, I'm kind of, I don't really feel like drinking.
03:21:51.020
And then I don't know what I said, but yeah, let's just say like, I think we only hung
03:22:01.320
out for like 30 minutes and then the day was over.
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I was just like, I was a little fucking like, I was like, all right, you're fucking 30 minutes
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Like you didn't even have the courtesy to let me know ahead of time.
03:22:18.240
You knew you were, oops, you knew you were going to be late.
03:22:20.840
You didn't even do like the polite thing, which would be if you're 30 minutes late to
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I mean, I was kind of like a little bent out of shape, not going to lie.
03:22:44.540
I probably honestly, like I threw the vibe off cause I was already upset and like, maybe
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But I was just like, I was kind of like standoffish.
03:22:58.000
But not, not upset in the, in the way of like, fuck you.
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And then you're fucking catfish and all this shit.
03:23:09.760
I feel like it sucks that she didn't say sorry.
03:23:12.420
Cause like, I feel like not even acknowledging that you were late.
03:23:17.720
My go-to would have been like, Oh, I'm so sorry.
03:23:24.100
Or like something like definitely apologize first.
03:23:28.820
I think that 30 minutes late warrants an apology.
03:23:33.000
Again, I wasn't like expecting her to like get on the floor and beg for my forgiveness,
03:23:38.160
but just like, uh, as she was approaching, be like, Hey, sorry, I'm running.
03:23:44.340
But it wasn't even that she just showed up and she was like, didn't acknowledge it.
03:23:55.760
I would have been like, she was late, but Hey, whatever it happens.
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And I, and I think within a first date, first impressions are everything.
03:24:07.520
You know, that doesn't go, that goes along with just like on a first date to meeting
03:24:15.180
And I think, you know, especially in your, in your circumstance, like having that happen
03:24:20.300
in a first date, why would you want to carry on any longer?
03:24:23.660
You know, you're, you're faking it at that point and you're wasting your time.
03:24:27.100
I've had guys end it just because like I'm 15 minutes late and they said, I'm sorry,
03:24:43.860
I feel like if you do it respectfully, if like, you're like, Hey, I don't, or like,
03:24:49.120
could we reschedule or like, if it's really worth it, they'll want to reschedule.
03:24:52.880
But like, I feel like if you're running 30 minutes late, like that's, that's pretty late.
03:25:01.280
It sounds a bit, for some reason it sounds low.
03:25:03.860
But, um, yeah, that's, uh, it's definitely pretty bad if they're, if they're running late
03:25:10.180
And, uh, shit, I had something I was going to say, but it just slipped my mind.
03:25:14.360
You were saying something like you went on a date with a guy.
03:25:20.500
No, you went on a date with a guy, but you were running late.
03:25:27.460
And if, if some people are kind of pretty mellow, like some people don't,
03:25:33.020
I'm just, but for me, like someone, someone being punctual is really important to me because
03:25:46.340
But oh, first date, 30 minutes late and Santa Barbara, like, come on 8 PM, 7 PM.
03:25:58.780
It takes 10, 15 minutes to get like, so it's just first impression.
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And it's funny to me, like how, and I don't want to go back to it, but like how we, we
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worry about like who's paying for the dinner versus like, Oh, how do I show this person
03:26:11.800
is that I'm actually giving a shit about meeting them and wanting to know a little bit more
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Um, but it's, it's funny how we just value that so less.
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And she could have totally was like, I'm so excited to meet this guy.
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And she just took a little bit too long on her hair, but it's, it's the, it's the principle
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But yeah, I think that's where it all, it's the principle.
03:26:47.620
Can we have a petition to have Eric on the show?
03:26:49.280
I just said that before I was like, before we started, do we do faith face reveal?
03:26:54.480
I was going to say, do we, do we do a face reveal?
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Eric, try to speak into that microphone right there.
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I'll give my Instagram a shout out if you want to.
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Thanks for the big Canadian, uh, last, last time, dude.
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He sent a hundred and then 50 and then a hundred.
03:28:21.900
Wait, Eric, can you pull back up the conversion?
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Appreciate the big Canadian, a hundred dollar soup chat, man.
03:28:56.340
Um, the question was, is there anything dating related that you want to get off your chest?
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So, but that was in response to her, the bad date.
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Like, is there something about dating that frustrates you or is there something dating related you
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want to get off your chest or men are pissing you off in some way?
03:29:21.160
You know, right now, everybody's been on my good side for the most part.
03:29:29.420
Anything dating related or any topics you want to bring up or.
03:29:35.340
There's this one guy though, who I'm obsessed with and he will not let me hit.
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So it's like really just super fucking aggravating.
03:30:17.980
I mean, like we had a little thing for a minute, but then I did some like little psycho shit.
03:30:30.340
I literally can't tell you because his friends are probably watching this and they definitely know it was me.
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Um, it was a couple things actually, but I just got really, fuck off.
03:30:59.160
I just, I got pretty drunk a couple of times and like was a little like annoying.
03:31:14.640
Give us one or two or three or the whole story.
03:31:23.140
I remember there was something around Thanksgiving.
03:31:24.920
I was like going around trolling people on my phone and I said something sexually Thanksgiving
03:31:38.620
Was it, if your left leg is Thanksgiving and your right leg is Christmas, can I visit you
03:32:03.240
So is that what you wanted to get off your chest?
03:32:25.460
How do I turn my sneaky link into my boyfriend?
03:32:29.120
How do you turn your sneaky link into your boyfriend?
03:32:52.400
Can you pass that water bottle over here by the way?
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Like he needs to resolve that issue on his own.
03:33:02.300
And also he can't like put his past trauma like against you.
03:33:10.540
I think he needs some time because all he's going to do to you is just question everything
03:33:17.260
He's going because like we'll get drunk and then like he will go fully like tell me everything
03:33:22.480
how he feels about me and how he is ready but he's not.
03:33:28.140
Do you think he's like playing with your emotions kind of?
03:33:35.960
Like we do hang out and like we do go out to dinner and like we do go get drinks and
03:33:43.000
So you guys are like dating without the title pretty much.
03:33:51.940
I mean his relationship thing in the past is different but I always I could be wrong
03:33:57.520
but I kind of feel like if you're already if you're just like casually hooking up with
03:34:01.900
each other I don't know how to like I feel like the time might have passed.
03:34:08.340
Like I feel like the easiest way to clearly get to get someone to be with you is to set
03:34:13.720
boundaries really early on of like either you're well because I think it's hard for a guy to
03:34:20.200
take you seriously in like the girlfriend way if they're already he's literally getting
03:34:26.900
Not that he's just trying to take something from you but you know what I mean.
03:34:29.440
Because in the beginning it wasn't like we were just sneaky links and then we both admitted
03:34:33.600
that we do actually have feelings for each other and that we do both want to have a relationship
03:34:37.520
but we're both not completely ready because I'm not going to lie I'm not completely ready
03:34:41.240
to be in a relationship but I'd like to know that like we are actually only seeing each other.
03:34:54.320
Not completely ready but I'm like pretty close so that's why I'm like.
03:35:00.500
It just depends on how we go and like what happens.
03:35:13.960
You can want something and not be ready for it.
03:35:15.900
Like I want a car but I certainly can't fucking drive.
03:35:40.740
Some people would be like I'm a good driver and then they're like.
03:36:04.100
And this probably isn't a good backup but like his friend has told me too that like that's
03:36:20.880
I would say you should just like take some space from this maybe.
03:36:25.660
He doesn't have any incentive whatsoever to commit if you're basically dating.
03:37:26.200
Because I thought he was going to actually ghost me.
03:37:36.520
Because what changes from you guys not being with each other.
03:37:51.520
There is no incentive to like ask you out at this point.
03:38:00.640
Once you guys like become boyfriend or girlfriend.
03:39:05.200
It sounds like you guys already committed to each other.
03:39:08.720
You may as well be boyfriend and girlfriend and everything but in name.
03:39:22.780
What are you like wanting that you feel like you're lacking?
03:39:29.220
Well then that's stupid and you like shouldn't worry about it.
03:39:38.120
If genuinely what you want is to have intimacy with this person.
03:39:41.660
To feel emotionally connected with them and to spend time with them.
03:39:45.120
Don't make a problem out of something that doesn't need to be.
03:39:47.900
Have you asked him like hey do you want to be official or do you want to be boyfriend girlfriend?
03:39:53.140
He said yes but he wants to wait for the times right.
03:40:06.620
Like there's so much substance behind it that we don't know.
03:40:15.240
When did you bring up that you wanted to be whatever?
03:40:23.600
Because like you don't even really get to know a person until like three months in.
03:40:26.160
But it's because we also knew each other in high school.
03:40:42.280
But if he gives you that answer at like three, four, five, six months in.
03:40:55.620
That's why because like I don't want to keep going into it just for me to have more feelings.
03:40:59.180
And then in the end him being just like, oh, I'm just kidding.
03:41:10.620
Once you're ready, if he's not ready by that point, I kind of would put it on the back burner.
03:41:14.100
Also, if you say that you're not ready for a relationship, then one, I wouldn't worry
03:41:19.900
And two, I don't know if I would be seeing someone as if you were in a relationship if
03:41:25.140
But I'm also like right now not seeing it as in we're in a relationship because like
03:41:29.000
if guys hit me up, like I'll text back, but I'm not going to go over and like.
03:41:34.040
I just mean like if you're in a place where you're not ready for a relationship, maybe you
03:41:37.300
should just take some time like without guys at all.
03:41:46.900
Because I feel like that will maybe it'll put some clarity for yourself and for him.
03:41:54.760
If a girl says, at least for me, if a girl says, I want to take a break.
03:42:04.660
I meant like I don't know how much time you guys are spending together, but like maybe just
03:42:10.620
If you're seeing him every day, then maybe don't see him every single day.
03:42:14.580
Honestly, I would just, I just don't, I don't know if it's, um, I definitely just would
03:42:26.420
If he's telling you he has like relationship trauma, you're not ready for relationship.
03:42:31.580
I just like would not get your emotions involved in this.
03:42:39.580
Cause we've told each other, like we have fun with each other and like, we genuinely
03:42:42.740
like each other's company and it's not about like, yeah.
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Uh, do you, do you have a, something dating related that you want to get off your chest?
03:42:59.260
I have a newfound respect for all guys and just everyone in general who shoots their
03:43:08.000
shot, but especially guys, because like we always say, there is like more guys are mainly
03:43:12.740
the ones doing it because I recently shot my shot with someone and I had a crush on him
03:43:18.880
for like, it took like a couple of weeks and it took, it took me three weeks to get the
03:43:27.140
courage to shoot my shot and my heart was like pounding.
03:43:31.020
I was like so nervous, like kept wanting to do it and then I would chicken out and like
03:43:35.080
another person would come and I would just, I would just chicken out, but it took, took
03:43:38.200
like all the balls I had and yeah, everything, everything.
03:43:48.920
So yeah, all I asked was just, you know, to like hang out sometime, you know, and that's
03:43:59.360
So it wasn't like officially a date, you know, there was also like my friend there.
03:44:03.820
And so like, we didn't, what did I mess up, Ryan?
03:44:09.800
Well, I just didn't, you know, we just coordinated like, oh, we'll both, you know, maybe we'll
03:44:13.760
get drinks or like he was saying he was going downtown for drinks.
03:44:20.640
Just to clarify, you asked him to go on a double date or you just did this in front of a friend?
03:44:23.840
No, I just, I thought, I thought it was like, we were both going to have friends.
03:44:27.360
We were both going to like happen to meet up in the same place, same time, like both
03:44:33.000
having friends, but it ended up just being the three of us.
03:44:41.520
I'm not going to like fall in love with a guy I haven't gotten to spend that much time
03:44:45.080
But so the only thing is that like, I don't know, he might not know yet that I'm into him
03:44:49.960
like that because we didn't kiss, obviously it was like, it wasn't even, it wasn't even
03:45:09.740
No, I'm saying he might not even know I'm into him.
03:45:11.860
Because I just, I tried to, I was, my heart was right.
03:45:15.240
I was like so worried as that I, I was pretty subtle with it.
03:45:19.060
Like he might just think it was a friend thing.
03:45:22.320
But we like sat on the beach and just talked for until like 1am in the morning and that
03:45:44.760
I mean, if you can have conversation like that, that's where it's challenging.
03:45:48.360
Especially if you were just at the club and then you're drinking and then you're like
03:45:53.560
But I still, we weren't at a club or anything like that.
03:45:59.780
I'm still nervous because I still don't know if he's into me or not.
03:46:04.760
But it took everything in me just to ask this person, like hang on sometime.
03:46:09.480
So now I have respect for everyone who shoots a shot.
03:46:24.800
Like, you said, oh, maybe we can hang out in a friend group.
03:46:29.020
But I was like, oh, my friends, I'm going, I'm going like.
03:46:34.840
He ditched his friends to go hang out with you.
03:46:37.180
So this is, okay, let me tell you what happened.
03:46:40.940
And you guys can tell me if you think, is he into me or not?
03:46:47.820
But he drove all the way to me and down, me and my friend in downtown.
03:46:53.960
And then he was like, there's no way I'm letting you girls like have to pay for a $30 Uber.
03:46:58.440
And then he drives us all the way to IV and then drives.
03:47:07.980
And then he drives all the way from IV to Ventura.
03:47:28.760
But he is, I think he's seeing someone that I work with.
03:47:42.960
I feel like he might be responsible enough to not want to, like, start drama.
03:47:52.400
He probably would have told you, hey, I don't think it's a good idea to go hang as friends.
03:48:20.760
You guys can get feedback on what exactly she should send.
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I feel like doing anything with a coworker is just not worth it.
03:48:49.740
And I work with a girl that he might be seeing.
03:48:53.120
And his ex-girlfriend used to work where I work.
03:49:28.720
When you score him, then you guys can both go out.
03:50:18.060
But wouldn't you rather know than tiptoe around it?
03:50:35.020
It's not like I'm interested in, like, casual sex.
03:50:37.220
I'm not looking for someone to, like, have sex with.
03:50:55.740
Should I say the text I sent and you can tell me if I was giving my friend vibes?
03:51:08.380
So, if I just be like, would you like to go, like, go on a date?
03:51:52.220
Unless he couldn't get a lead bartender job up there, I guess.
03:52:27.700
I think she probably just went to the bathroom.
03:52:56.640
She could have just been like, oh, hey guys, I gotta go.
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Ask the ladies to rate themselves on a scale of one to ten.
03:53:24.160
Kind of weird, though, that she didn't at least say bye, but whatever.
03:53:28.380
What do you rate yourself, looks-wise, on a scale of one to ten?
03:53:44.560
Damn, I wanted to do one tape video, but she left.
03:53:55.200
Let's do, uh, let's do, uh, let's do, uh, do you think she's just, like, outside the door, Eric?
03:54:09.860
But that's why I said, I think she left, gotta be honest.
03:54:14.800
Yeah, I think this podcast has been, like, four hours, I'm sure.
03:54:19.120
She was tired, like, I think she was honestly, like, almost falling asleep.
03:54:22.580
Like, maybe she didn't know she could, like, just, like, say bye.
03:54:27.560
Yeah, I think she was just like, oh, I'm not out.
03:54:28.800
I mean, that just seems like the polite thing to do, just be like, hey, guys, sorry, gotta go, bye.
03:54:39.660
No, she would have been given a great reaction, but let's do the, uh, go back to the video.
03:54:47.920
Well, we're running a little behind, but, yeah, we're getting up there.
03:54:50.700
Um, go, just do the, uh, oh, God, I don't know, scroll down a little bit.
03:55:48.580
And all you D-gens in the chat need to stop requesting that this beautiful goddess remove her sweater.
03:56:02.520
Yes, I was noticing, don't worry, guys, I was noticing all of your comments to take off my, my, um, what do they call it?
03:56:10.980
But, um, I know deep down you don't want me to.
03:56:16.440
Oh, wait, last thing, Eric, can you pull up the Twitch?
03:56:20.360
Azul69, thank you, thank you for the super chat.
03:56:25.040
All right, um, I don't know if this is any more.
03:56:40.560
Thank you for the follow, man, appreciate it, guys.
03:56:48.200
Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub, Amazon Prime, totally free.
03:56:51.820
Um, if you have Amazon Prime, link it to your Twitch.
03:56:56.780
Easy way to, quick, free, easy way to support the show.
03:57:01.680
I'm, I'm, text is not my style, but I'll do it in person.
03:57:08.240
I will be like, let me know if you want to go out sometime.
03:57:20.020
Leave a comment what you think I should tell them.
03:57:26.580
And then we'll, uh, let's do the, uh, which one is it?
03:57:38.380
I have many concurrent serious relationships as we speak.
03:57:44.100
No, because that means they can talk to other dudes.
03:57:51.540
Throughout the majority of human history, female promiscuity has been absolutely frowned upon.
03:57:56.000
Only in the Western world we're going to pretend it's an okay thing.
03:57:58.160
Every single culture since the dawn of human time and every single place on the planet has
03:58:01.960
said that female promiscuity is disgusting to the point where females were executed for it.
03:58:13.160
And most of the world today, it's still frowned upon.
03:58:16.500
Whereas every single king insulted in shakes as the dawn of human time had multiple women.
03:58:23.420
Because if a woman has multiple men, you cannot ensure paternity.
03:58:38.200
Whoever the guy was that said women should be executed for sleeping with multiple men?
03:58:52.940
I don't understand it because if you're expecting...
03:58:55.720
If you can expect yourself to sleep with multiple women, why can't women do the same exact thing?
03:59:12.180
Because it's very easy for women to sleep with men, but it's very difficult for men to sleep
03:59:36.220
Well, the way that you said it now, it sounds like...
03:59:44.300
Well, so I think the original thing I said is it's very easy for women to get laid.
03:59:55.440
I don't think it's difficult, but do they like...
04:00:12.680
I just feel like there's just certain other factors that portray that, just as much as
04:00:25.600
I'm trying to think of the best way to say this.
04:00:26.940
Like, guys look down on certain factors that women hold.
04:00:37.400
You know, they put a lot of judgment on that sometimes.
04:00:54.140
Not about sex work, but we don't care about, like...
04:01:02.300
If a woman is a doctor, like, that doesn't make you more attractive.
04:01:06.800
Like, that's not, like, in the same way that a guy who's a doctor, a lot of women would
04:01:19.280
But I'm not sure if that's what you were getting at.
04:01:27.220
So, you were saying that one of the things is that men don't care about...
04:01:32.000
Or men do care about the type of work women do as it relates to if they're doing sex work.
04:01:42.300
Because we were talking about the double standard and how it's harder for men to get laid than
04:01:52.200
I really don't know, really, what I was going over that.
04:01:55.200
Now that I was talking it through, and I'm like, man, I just got myself into, like, a
04:02:05.700
And I don't necessarily think it's, like, easy for women to get laid.
04:02:08.940
I think just women tend to be sexualized a lot in society.
04:02:16.840
People are probably going to come for me in the chat and be like, oh, but you do OnlyFans.
04:02:20.280
It's like, yeah, I'm aiding to the opportunity that men will pay me to see me naked.
04:02:27.540
But, as I was saying, I don't think it's necessarily that, like, women can just get laid whenever
04:02:36.500
If a woman approaches you and is like, oh, I want to have sex, like, they might say yes.
04:02:39.840
And I think it just is how you come off with it.
04:02:42.460
I'd be kind of weirded out if, like, anyone came up to me and was like, have sex with me.
04:02:48.360
Like, some guys would say no to that instantly.
04:02:50.820
And some girls would say no instantly based off certain things.
04:02:58.860
So, you think it's not much easier for women to get laid than men?
04:03:05.040
I think it's not as, like, big of a difference as people make it out to be.
04:03:11.140
But, like I said before, I mean, like, women probably go out on more dates than men do
04:03:15.260
because they get asked more often than, like, a girl asking a guy out or a girl saying yes
04:03:20.140
Because if a guy's asking, she has a choice to say yes or no.
04:03:24.420
I'll put it to you this way as far as the discrepancy and easiness when it comes to
04:03:30.500
An average woman has an easier time getting laid than a male model.
04:03:39.420
A really, like, a top-tier guy, she has an easier time getting laid than a really attractive
04:03:52.960
And I think, like, we just have no idea how hard it is for guys.
04:04:06.300
But, like, my girlfriends have a harder time not having sex than having sex.
04:04:18.560
But as in, like, they have to, like, stop themselves.
04:04:21.660
Because if they wanted sex, they could easily have it.
04:04:30.080
I'm just using that as, like, a hyper example here.
04:04:35.000
I cannot fathom that being a case with guys where, like, only the top, like, 1, 1, 1, 1% of guys are...
04:04:41.360
But there's plenty of girls who, like, try to be, like...
04:04:43.940
Who, like, try to, like, stop themselves from having sex.
04:04:48.880
I just don't know how it gets to that point, you know?
04:04:53.600
I'm not stopping myself from pulling my pants down.
04:05:09.780
If a girl asks a guy to, like, have sex, like, he will probably say yes.
04:05:16.960
But that just would not be the case with, like, guys.
04:05:29.260
I mean, some people are fine just immediately having sex.
04:05:35.660
I, like, honestly can't think of a time I've ever made a guy wait, yeah.
04:05:45.500
But, okay, so even, like, your first time, the guy was, like...
04:05:55.900
Even then, you didn't make the guy wait, or...?
04:06:01.700
I don't feel like that's something we need to get into, necessarily.
04:06:10.160
A guy wanted to have sex with you, but you said, let's wait...
04:06:47.660
Not, like, the first time, but the first time having sex with a new partner.
04:06:53.840
Look, any girl at this table right now, if you're so inclined,
04:06:56.580
look, it's 11.30 p.m. on a Thursday, you could download the dating app.
04:07:02.440
It might not be necessarily the suitor of your choice, but you could get laid tonight.
04:07:17.140
You could definitely get a not-so-pretty girl that has never seen attention.
04:07:26.740
Yo, I'm telling you, watch out for the quiet, shy chicks.
04:07:34.000
I think maybe they're going after the wrong girls.
04:07:40.040
A guy cannot download Tinder at night and get laid that night.
04:07:47.080
If we're going to go, like, minutes and hours, okay, yeah.
04:07:51.420
Here's how it plays out for the vast majority of men on dating apps.
04:07:56.020
And probably, well, in person, there's the opportunity for one-night stands.
04:07:59.480
But like, okay, on a dating app, you match with a girl.
04:08:02.640
You're probably going to have to carry the conversation.
04:08:04.480
You're going to have to initiate the first date.
04:08:06.020
You're going to have to set up the date, ask for the number, make the plan, et cetera, et cetera.
04:08:12.800
Then you have to shift through the girls that are just there for their Instagram followers
04:08:22.700
I've never gone on a date with a guy from a dating app, but I'm just...
04:08:25.080
I'm on it for attention, validation, et cetera.
04:08:32.160
And then, okay, then you have to plan the date.
04:08:42.200
So from there, probably 50% chance if you do set up a date, she's going to flake.
04:08:54.800
If you have a date set up with a girl on a Friday, I'd say 50% chance she's going to just flake.
04:08:59.720
She's going to say two hours before, three hours before, hey, oh, I've got a headache.
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A lot of women don't realize how that's a pretty big dick move because as a woman, you could get a new dude on a Friday.
04:09:15.780
Most men are not going to be able to secure a Friday or a Saturday date the day of, a few hours before.
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Probably a good chance she's not going to be down to fuck that night.
04:09:31.840
Very good chance she's not going to be down to fuck.
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I mean, especially if you're not a big drinker.
04:09:42.180
When you get alcohol involved, people get more a little loose or whatever.
04:09:45.700
But, like, if it's more like sit down, if you get dinner, if you, you know, have one drink, it's not like that sort of vibe.
04:10:05.920
That's not all women, but that's a lot of women.
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They're not going to give it up on the first, second, or third date.
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And I think maybe where I'm getting, like, kind of wishy-washy is because I'm in the know with girls.
04:10:31.660
But I just kind of thought it was just as easy.
04:10:34.280
Because, like, some girls just want to have sex.
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But, like, I have to assume, like, it's not that hard.
04:10:44.760
Again, that's why I say you're not reaching the right girls.
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And if you really just want to have sex, if that's your primary goal is sex.
04:10:52.980
And not really just trying to build a relationship and grow with somebody.
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Then, yes, I think you're searching for the wrong person.
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But don't tell me that there's not someone out there that's willing to give you sex that minute.
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And that's all, like, on a statistical level based off app.
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A woman, she doesn't need to get lucky to get laid.
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But I just also think that's because girls are also pickier.
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And because so many people have to say, like, oh.
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Like, literally, like how we just watched that video.
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He was saying, like, if she's fucking a bunch of different guys, then, like, oh, like, that's a bad thing.
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But then also, like, it doesn't that make us feel like then that's what we're supposed to do.
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But then also, I feel like we're also, as girls, like, we are picky.
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Pull up, let's see, pull up the two hypergamy, hypergamy, hypergamy two, and then pull up.
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And then just have them pulled up in just a sec.
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Um, so will women have one night stands or sleep with a guy quick?
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Yes, but they're going to do it with probably the top 10 or top 20% of men.
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Because women, 80% of women are chasing after the top 10% of men.
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So are there men on the dating apps that can get the casual sex?
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I mean, even honestly, top tier guys, it's still, it's still going to be a bit harder.
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You're saying it's the availability is really what you said, that guys can't find that.
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So it has to be an availability thing that is the issue.
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OK, let's compare average women to average men.
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Average men are not, can not even approach the degree to which a woman could be a slut,
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An average girl, unremarkable in every way she could be.
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Could easily rack up 10 bodies in a month with like.
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I think it, it depends on like what the man is choosing, because I'm going to be honest.
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I, I tend to go for guys who aren't like, tend to be as attractive as me or like.
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Well, I'm just saying that like the guys might not be going for the right girls if they're
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You know, like there's people that do just want to hook up.
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But, okay, the point is, is that an average guy does not have the degree of sexual access
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I think if I'm stepping back, I'm sure it's very, very challenging.
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That's where I'm thinking it's impossible and it's like not reachable.
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It's probably, it's just probably very, very difficult to where that stat is accurate.
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Do you, how many, do you get DMs at all from guys who are, it seems they're interested in
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What about you guys, bars, clubs, parties at all?
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How many of the men that hit on you, would you say you're turning down?
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I would say about eight, uh, probably like 90%.
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All, almost all the other women, all the men that you're turning down, all the other
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They're getting, well, they're getting rejected too.
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Like even what, how we say, I just thought about this now when you brought up that phrase,
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but like the term like get lucky, like if I want to think about whether or not I'm having
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But if a girl wants to have sex, it's not a matter of luck.
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If, if you go out to a bar or a club or a party type environment and let's say your goal,
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I'm not saying it would be, but your goal for the night, I want, I'm getting laid tonight.
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Do you know with certainty that you could get laid?
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If I just wanted to get laid to answer your question, but if I had to be specific in who
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It's not, would you want to have, do women have sex with the people they want to have sex
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It's do women, could women have sex with anyone as much as like men could have sex with anyone?
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Which is just not, I mean, I would, I would argue that a woman need not even necessarily
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She doesn't need to go after some like really unattractive dude to get laid.
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She can still go after like a fairly, I would say at least a guy who would be her looks
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For example, for me to get laid, even a girl that's, I would consider on my level, there
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I'm, if I, I, first off, I don't go to bars, I don't go to clubs, I don't party, I don't
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Um, but you know, when I was in college, I'd go out to parties and stuff more likely than
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Like that's, if that was my, no, but if that was my intention, like I want to go out, I
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Alexis, would you like to have sex tonight with me?
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I was like, not to call anyone out or make anyone uncomfortable, but if any of us wanted
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to not leave this building, like, like we didn't even, we wouldn't have to leave the
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building if like an upset, that is just not a male experience.
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Like, like if any woman could look, you're just in the, in the middle of a busy street,
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A woman within like, I'm convinced a like 10 foot radius around her would be able to
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have sex with someone within a 10 foot race around her.
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Well, cause I don't want to, I don't want to be just sex to like someone around me.
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Like when they say, I'd be like, Oh, well, I mean, that, that's less the point.
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The more the point is just like, can we all acknowledge it's easier for girls to get
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Well, like you said, didn't you do like a test?
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You went out and then another one out and she was getting all these hits and you got
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Sorry for the reminder, but I think that just honestly plays exactly into what we're
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Going in, I knew what the results were going to be.
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Like you can't just point blank ask most women, Hey, do you want to hook up?
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They're not going to, they're going to feel a certain type of way about that.
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You, they need a little something before, like you can't, I don't know.
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Oh, the one I often hear is women sleep with who they want.
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I'd rather be working in a laboratory like I want to, but it makes me money and I know
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I didn't think you'd be surprised by like what I was saying about like the 10 foot.
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I don't like that women can be overly sexualized.
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I don't, I don't, I'm not even trying to understand what you're saying though.
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Like because they have an easier time having sex?
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Well, it's like, oh, a woman can like get with whatever she wants.
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It just like doesn't sit right with me, I guess.
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Because you disagree, you don't, you disagree with the premise?
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I do, I do agree that I'm starting to agree with you that it probably is much harder for
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Unlike for women, they probably can get whatever they want if they wanted to.
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But I just like the idea that like men would only seek an opportunity with a woman in terms
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of that, like that kind of just grosses me out a little bit.
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I forget what exactly what you said, but it, yeah.
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Was it men sleep with who they, sorry, women sleep with who they want, men sleep with who
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I mean, the radius thing is like, whatever, maybe, but I get like, would make girls uncomfortable
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Cause like if you, I mean, clearly it's profitable, literally for you that like women are sexualized,
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I think it's very hypocritical, but why wouldn't I profit off of that if the world is that way?
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If I'm able to profit off of it, then why wouldn't I?
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Well, but I mean, if you're engaging in it, is it really something that you ought to be
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I mean, and I'm not even sure it's like women have agency.
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You're making a silver lining out of this situation.
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I think women tend to become a sex symbol more than men.
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If women are sex objects, then men are success objects.
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And I don't think every single person in society does that.
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But I think there is a tendency to sexualize women.
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But I do make good money off of it, so I'm going to do it.
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I don't necessarily have to like the process of it.
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I make good money in my job if you want to start working.
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I mean, yeah, I'll happily come work over there.
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If you're telling us like right now you don't want to be doing what you're doing,
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I can promise you there's ways for you to make money, like good money that aren't that.
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I'm fine with being sexualized occasionally because I like feeling sexy.
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Do I want that to be my only thing that I'm known for?
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But, you know, I think it's a bit of a benefit or a privilege to have agency due to your sexuality
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insofar that most men could not start an OnlyFans and make money posting fucking...
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There's really not a market on the women's side for desiring male men on OnlyFans
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for the same reason why there's not a lot of male prostitutes.
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I don't feel like you guys are exactly hearing what I'm saying.
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I'm doing it because I know that I can profit off of it.
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I know that there are men who are going to be intrigued and will pay money to see me doing
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Is it a society that I want to have those views?
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Because when I look at a man, I'm not thinking, oh, like, I want to bang him so badly.
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Or, like, I don't have those thoughts about when I just see a person.
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Would you always want the people around you to be like, oh, wow, you're, like, so sexy.
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If you don't like being sexualized all the time...
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You can choose to not do work that isn't sexualizing.
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I mean, just, like, in terms of, like, society as a whole, women do tend to be sexualized
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But it's a point of empowerment to capitalize on it.
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Or, like, taking over, like, what your sexuality is.
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But it's when it's negatively viewed is when I don't like it.
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Big thank you to the panel for running a bit late on the show.
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You could have been doing anything else, but you were.
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So, it's sort of related to the money thing, right?
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So, we were talking about, like, does it shock you guys?
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Does it shock you guys that men, we don't really, like, a woman's finances, like, it doesn't make a woman more attractive?
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Like, if she's successful or as ambitious or has high earning potential or is a high earner.
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I would, if you don't mind me going, yeah, I don't, it kind of does bother me.
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I feel like I work really hard and I would want that to be seen and I would want that to be valued.
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Otherwise, what's the point of me working so hard and going to school and getting an education to do better?
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For myself, for one, but I want, I plan on getting married and I would hope that, you know, my future husband would be appreciative that I have that drive and I'm willing to work.
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For some situations, for some relationships, I think it's, maybe I shouldn't say some, it might be a majority, but some people don't have an issue with that.
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But the thing is though, it, it doesn't, it's not necessarily a con or a negative.
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It's just, it doesn't, it doesn't make you more attractive to be like super successful.
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Like for example, Oprah Winfrey, she's not like guys aren't banging down the fucking door because men and women are attracted to different things.
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She's, she's incredibly wealthy, but like, she's not like an appealing match for the vast majority of men because, well, for a few reasons, but let me, let me give an example, right?
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But I was shocked when you told me, I think the first time I heard something like that was from you where you were saying, or maybe you and Chase or something where like men do not, you said, you know, you said the Chipotle baddie thing.
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A guy would date a baddie who worked at Chipotle and I have not stopped thinking about it ever since you said that.
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That was actually mind blowing for me to like realize that like, yeah, guys, I, I'll date a, someone who works at Chick-fil-A.
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It's not, but I, I would, I would hope that, you know, someone who has a good job, that that would be appealing and somewhat attractive.
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I just, I would, I would think though that you would rather value someone that is in a better profession or aiming to that.
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It doesn't make you, it doesn't make you hotter or more attractive.
04:30:10.840
Then that's, I mean, unless you're getting a physical change to yourself, then yes, that would be applicable to that.
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But then, you know, it doesn't make you more of a catch.
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Whereas like you ask a lot of women and you say, this guy's a doctor, this guy's an attorney, this guy's this career, whatever it may be.
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A lot of women are going to be like, based off of that, and there's obviously other considerations besides just his career.
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So a guy's not going to be like, oh, she's, you know, a VP of a company.
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They're going to go towards her looks and then what she brings to the table.
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And then maybe that's a plus at the end of the tunnel.
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Women and men prioritize different things then.
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Like we have, we're attracted to different things.
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Like women, most women probably want a guy who's taller than them.
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Like guys, we don't really give a fuck about a girl's height.
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I would say the one thing with that is a woman who's super ambitious, super career oriented.
04:31:34.720
In order to succeed in the corporate environment, you do tend to take on more masculine traits.
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Like, so a lot of men are going to, and that's fine.
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But a lot of guys are going to view a really masculine woman and probably be, it's going
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But I can see that she brought up earlier about how women and men are, they want like opposites.
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But why does like them being in a position of power make them masculine?
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Because it requires certain traits to succeed in the cutthroat corporate world.
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So you're saying that when a woman can like get to that point in like a business world
04:32:32.360
or whatever, like she has to have masculine traits.
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I think he's just saying, which is something that's just surprising to women.
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Because I feel like I, at least I feel like I grew up in a very, you know, girl boss mindset
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that like it's, it's hot to own your own company, which, you know, it's hot to like
04:32:53.020
girl to girl, it's hot to own your own company, like go you girl boss.
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Like it does not make you like more attractive than a girl that looks just like you because
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you're making, you're like more successful or more, more higher up in your career.
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It's just, it's just, I think girls just don't realize how little it matters to guys.
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Honestly, I feel that, but come marriage, you're gonna, you're gonna want that to matter.
04:33:20.760
I feel like when it's all on you, that's when you're going to be cheating on your wife
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because you're stressed out because you couldn't make the payment on the house.
04:33:30.300
I feel like it might be more likely that a guy, if a guy has like a litigation attorney
04:33:34.240
wife, I feel like that's more likely to lead to cheating than like, what?
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I just mean like, I don't think the cause of cheating is because like your wife is poor.
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The downfall of a marriage really highlights and ends on there.
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And I've known many married men that are just like, oh man, my wife is just sitting on
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her ass all day, just eating and getting fat and just watching the kids.
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And I come and work at eight to five and I have to support the house.
04:34:06.680
Well, I mean, just really quick on the divorce thing.
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So, um, 50% of marriages and in divorce, 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
04:34:15.860
That number rises to 90% if she's college educated, explain that one.
04:34:25.600
So, okay, 50% of marriages and in divorce, 80% of marriage or sorry, 80% of divorces are
04:34:34.380
That number jumps to 90% if she's college educated.
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One of the, one of the number one predictors for divorce is if the woman out earns her husband.
04:34:45.420
She, uh, you're more likely to get divorced if the wife is the breadwinner.
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