Dating Talk #45
Episode Stats
Length
3 hours and 46 minutes
Words per Minute
184.33034
Hate Speech Sentences
190
Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, host Brian Atlas and Kiki are joined by two new co-hosts, Taylor and Jade, to talk about dating in your 20's, what it's like being in a relationship, and how to get out of a bad relationship.
Transcript
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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Sempre un'amabile, legge addroviso, impianto in riso e menzognero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California,
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And, oh, lastly, if you want to be on the show or help with the show, Eric, if you can pull up our IG.
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Anyone who's willing to do timestamps during our lives, I'm looking to hire somebody.
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You need to, you must be a good and perspicacious writer.
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Anyways, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So, please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
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I'm originally from Ukraine, but I study in San Francisco in Minerva University.
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Hi, my name is Jade, and I'm 30 years old, and I'm an executive assistant at a cardiology
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I advocate for men, mental health, and yeah, I'm a social media influencer.
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Guys, she has, by the way, she's got a big TikTok following.
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So, yeah, she's probably popped up on your For You page at some point.
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I'm 18, and all I'm doing right now is working.
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Guys, everyone's Instagrams are in the description, so show them some love.
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All right, so we're going to go around the table one more time.
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What is your current relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on any dating apps?
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It used to be called Seeking Arrangements, but now it's Seeking, so like for Sugar Daddies
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My longest relationship was like three months, and yeah, I'm on Hinge.
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I was on Bumble before in Tinder, but I stopped that.
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And you've, okay, and you've only been on Hinge?
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Yes, sorry, but I'm done with that, and now I'm only on Hinge, yes.
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My longest relationship was a year, about a year, a little over that, and I'm not on any
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Um, I'm single, and I've never been in a relationship, um, and I'm not on any dating apps.
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What's the, I guess, the longest period of time that you've dated someone?
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Um, I was seeing someone, like, on and off for, like, a year.
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And that was, it wasn't a relationship, though?
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So, and that's the longest consecutive period of time that you've been seeing somebody?
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And I've been in a six-year relationship, um, what was the other question?
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Uh, current relationship status, longest relationship, and are you on any dating apps?
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So, single, no dating apps, and six-year relationship was my longest.
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The recent one I was in was two years, but that was, like, 2014, 15, like that.
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Um, my longest relationship was, like, a year-ish.
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Um, I've, like, hung out with him multiple days in a row.
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I was at his house for New Year's Eve, and we only hooked up once.
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I haven't seen him in a few weeks because, um, I've been busy, and I haven't been able
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to drive to see him because he lives, like, an hour and a half away.
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So, this is, like, a medium-distance relationship.
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Because I usually don't date people older than my sister, who's 20.
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But I feel like it's weird because my sister is 20.
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But, well, my big qualm is that he lives an hour and a half away.
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So he's an hour and a half away, and then he's going further.
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The most important thing in a relationship, it's not love.
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Like, if they live, like, within walking distance to you, it's going to go the distance.
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But in today's day and age, what does, I guess, single, what does that really mean?
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Like, are you, are you kind of talking to a guy?
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Is there a guy in the picture, maybe hooking up?
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I mean, not a mistake, mistake, but like, I just, I don't do like, you know, like with
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Tinder kind of stuff where they, I know they called Sneaky Link in, in US.
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Um, yeah, and I'm coming from different cultures, so I guess for me, it was very weird, um, to,
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Wait, Jubilee, can I have you pop off the, uh, shit?
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But, uh, when's the last time that you went on a date?
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Um, I started talking to a guy a few weeks ago and we just met on Tuesday because he was
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It seems like every, every show you've been on.
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There's a new guy every single time you've been on the show.
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Well, she, I don't drive, but she drove me to see him.
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She hung out with us for a little bit, and then I was with him all Wednesday.
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I left last night, and then he's like, oh, like, I want to see you.
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He was just, he was deployed there for six months.
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But he just got back for, he's going to be here for a year.
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Do you think he had, well, he's not gone there, but I was going to say, if he's in
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the Navy, if he's going all over the place, do you think he's going to be, when he's deployed
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or whatever, do you think he's going to be loyal?
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So you're 30, never had a boyfriend, but you, there was a guy that you had a on and
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on, excuse me, on again, off again relationship.
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Oh, you only, when you said you only saw him in person five times.
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So it was just like when he was for convenience, like what, what do you think about?
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If a guy's always busy, never makes time for you.
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And so why, I guess, why is it you haven't had a boyfriend?
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Well, I think it's because, um, I grew up like, I was raised pretty in a pretty religious
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Um, so I was saving myself for marriage and then, um, my parents got divorced when I was
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26 years old and that kind of just like popped my whole little bubble that I was in.
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And, um, I realized I didn't want to get married.
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So I, um, so then I was like, why am I saving myself for marriage?
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But then your parents got divorced and then, so you were religious.
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I, I'm spiritual in a sense that I believe there's like a God and like a higher power, but I'm,
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Um, so you're, you're no, you were you a Christian or?
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Um, and so first kiss at 26, lost her virginity, 26.
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Um, although, I mean, I've known a few, but, uh, and so how has dating been for you?
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Um, it hasn't been, um, the greatest experience, but, um, I feel like it's because I like right
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when I was like ready to start dating, I was, it was kind of like hookup culture.
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So, and I just like jumped on the apps and I was like, I'm going to meet people on here.
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Like, can you, you want to give us a range, a number range?
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At 30, it's not terrible, but you did lose your, I mean, it's for, for, for Southern California.
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So when you lost your virginity at 26, did you like wait or was it like you just wanted
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Um, I feel like, yeah, I, I just kind of went head first.
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Oh, you just don't remember if you had told them.
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But you were not under the influence of any alcohol, methamphetamine.
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Has, have those been mostly one night stands or has there been any friends with benefits
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Um, they're like 90% of them were one night stands.
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But I've met some decent, um, guys too that were nice.
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No, just like, I believe like there's, um, you know, like a higher power and everything
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like, like energy and like, there's like an energy to people.
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And I feel like you'd, you seem like you'd be in a cult.
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I mean that in the nicest way possible, by the way.
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I'm trying to read, I'm trying to figure you out.
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We'll come, we'll come back to that's, we'll come back.
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And as far as me, the last time I did anything, it's kind of embarrassing since my ex a year
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I think I got, yeah, I forgot exactly what it was, but, uh, are you truly single?
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Oh, you kind of talked, you said you already said that you had been seeing a guy.
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Um, so wow, that I'm really interested in the whole 30, never had a boyfriend.
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Um, so we're going to go around the panel on something here.
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We had three no shows, which is a record for us.
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Some dude, the girls know, like he, I don't know if he was trolling, but we could, he said
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And then three girl, three other girls, no showed.
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Um, it's kind of hectic before the show started.
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We'll start with the use of N and then we'll go around.
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We wear makeup, braids, fake nails, makeup, all this crazy stuff.
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Because I feel like his personality is what matters.
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I know you were looking for something spicy, but now.
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So, let me get these two chats and then we'll continue on.
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All right, we have Zoroslost11 with the $10 soup chat.
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Knowing these facts, one-fourth of women take antidepressants.
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The saddest demographic of people in the West is 42-year-old women making 50K,
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At what age would you get married slash have kids?
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If I'm ready, like if we're in the right relationship where there is an established foundation.
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I want to get married before I'm 30 and I don't want kids.
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I don't want to get married and I would have a child when I feel like I'm financially secure.
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I would love to get married, like in all honesty.
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By the way, guys, we're testing out TTS, the trigger, it's a bit on the higher end, but if
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anybody, I think it's the TTS text-to-speech trigger is 69, so anything 69 or up will trigger TTS, just FYI, guys.
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All right, we have Zorus Lost 11, thank you for the subsequent $10 soup chat, let's say you've been with a man for five plus years, he's going to take you on a trip, bruv, why do you format your, is this just, okay, anyways, he's going to take you on a trip and possibly propose, but then find evidence he used to hook up with a man, and on rare occasion for pay.
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Okay, would you feel weird, break up with him, so, okay, hold on.
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We have to, let's, let's edit this really quick.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to parse how, I think he's trolling, can you write normally, Zorus Lost, he's going to take you on a trip and possibly propose, but you find evidence that he's hooked up with men on rare occasions for pay, so he's gay for pay.
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Yeah, okay, you find out you're a boyfriend, you've been dating him for five years, he hooks up with men from time to time for care.
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No, I'm just, you know, the tattoos draw my attention, maybe.
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First of all, I would never date anybody more than two years, that's my deal breaker.
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If he doesn't propose after two years, I'm out.
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If, if the guy doesn't propose within two years, it's a wrap?
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But what about the whole, the, the paying, the guy paying for the dudes?
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Or sorry, him getting paid to sleep with dudes.
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But I think the main thing was, you find out your boyfriend, let's say it's a year and a half, you find out a year and a half in that he's hooking up with men for money.
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Because there is something missing in the relationship if he went for something else.
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So, if he doesn't propose to you under two years, that's a no-go.
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But if he's getting pounded by other men for money, that's, it could work out.
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Your boyfriend of a year and a half tells you he slept with other women for money.
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Do you stay with him or do you break up with him?
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And I would like to know why he did what he did and if he really regrets what he did.
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And there was something missing in the relationship because if everything is great, if you like the pie, you don't go and eat other pie.
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So, like, there was something missing that made him go somewhere else.
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And, I mean, if we're talking about healthy, adequate people who just happen to make a mistake or continuous mistake or whatever.
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But I think there's always a chance for a second chance.
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So, you'd be okay with a long-term partner or your husband, let's say it was just purely sex.
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What I'm okay with is I choose the person and we're in it together.
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No, I'm saying I choose, like, if he's my husband and he's cheating on me, I chose that person.
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And I chose to have a relationship with that person.
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If it's a continuous thing and he doesn't think he did a mistake or, you know, you can't solve that.
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That's the essence of the person, that's when you leave.
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But when, you know, people cheat because there's something missing in a relationship, I believe, you know, you're two adults who can work in that.
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Because some women are okay, like, if their husband are, I mean, this is kind of the whole thing with Andrew Tate.
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If the guy is providing everything, he's the breadwinner, he's high status, some women will tolerate infidelity.
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They're the main girl, but he's just hooking up with other chicks.
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I don't think sex can be purely physical if you continue this way.
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I mean, but then there's, that means there's something wrong with the sex we have.
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By the way, I'm not saying that that's a good thing.
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I'm just saying that some men operate that way.
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And I was asking you because you seem semi, like you tolerate, you might tolerate.
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Are we talking about prior to the relationship or during the relationship?
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Yeah, I would, I would wake up with them, but I would want to have a discussion because
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I feel like if I was dating the person for five years, they're like a really, like I love
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During your on-again, off-again situation ship or whatever, were you also seeing other guys
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Or was it for that year period, was it just him?
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You're not like poly or what's it, E&M, ethical non-monogamy?
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Well, I'm super big on loyalty and I'm well off.
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So if my partner needed money, he could ask me at any moment.
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So the fact that you have fun dip in your mouth and you're not telling me and I find
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I don't know if I could say, you know, a private word.
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I'd break up with them, but how much are they getting paid?
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I would break up with them no matter what, but I just wanted to know.
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Zorosloss, thank you for the degenerate question.
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We have another dude, Zorosloss, single-handedly supporting the show, man.
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The 30-year-old is huge proof that Western society is a failed society.
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She's probably peer pressured to lose it by other women,
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Women, your past body count mattered to most men.
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We're going to get you, uh, in the studio soon.
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Let me, I need to check one thing on my computer here.
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By the way, guys, like I said, uh, we do have, uh, TTS enabled for 69 and up.
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All super chats will be displayed in stream overlay.
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Brickson, uh, we'll read answer soup chats, uh, $10 and up.
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Yeah, don't change up your answers because you're a little bro.
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Do you wish that guys were more straightforward?
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So, I mean, like, depends on how straightforward I'm about which things, but about, like, relationships.
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Yes, I wish they would be more straightforward about that stuff.
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Tay, would you agree with the following statement that women would rather hear comforting lies than, how's it go?
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Women would rather hear comforting lies than harsh truths.
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I think, no, it's just, in my life, I think guys prefer to ghost girls.
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They don't tell, oh, we just don't mention something.
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So, they prefer to never, let's say, reach again.
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If you went on, let's say, one date or two dates with him.
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I think it has to do with, no offense, I think it has to do with a lot of how you are on the date.
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I don't think my personality has anything to do with the personal values of somebody.
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Because the way you present yourself to society is your values.
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You can tell me whatever you think is right, right?
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Like, I'm not good enough, or there's other things around, or whatever.
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But people prefer to silence and don't say a thing and disappear rather than, like, say what they actually think.
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We're going to come back to that one, actually.
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Have you guys heard about these Facebook groups where it's called, Are We Dating the Same Guy?
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Basically, guys, if you don't know, these Are We Dating the Same Guy groups, it's Facebook groups with women in various cities.
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It's not in every city, but most major cities will have a Facebook group.
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And the girls will either post their Tinder matches, not even guys that they've met up with, and say, Hey, is anybody dating this guy?
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And so none of you are in any of those kind of groups?
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He's like, Hey, you got to talk about this because it's kind of, to some degree, an invasion of privacy because these people are posting what is sort of an attempt to look out for themselves and other women.
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And they honestly just tend to just start shit-talking the dudes on these forums, posting lies and stuff.
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Do you think that that's an appropriate thing to do?
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I mean, I think it's everybody's business what they're doing.
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And if that's up to their standard of how they should behave in society, they can do whatever they want.
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I think there's a difference between, like, talking to different people and actually dating.
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Like, if you're actually, like, exclusively talking to someone and they're on Tinder and then they kind of find out, then, like, it's fine.
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Like, me and her have, like, matched with the same people.
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We, like, fuck with them, too, which is really funny.
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My only thought that came to mind was, like, I don't know how people have time to, like, go through these forums and find their, like...
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I think they're just, like, posting maybe pictures of, like, just people they're talking to and be, like, hey, is anyone else talking to this person?
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They post pictures and it's either, is anybody else dating this person or have you had, like, a bad experience dating this person?
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I have not seen any of the groups, but I've heard and I think I've seen some screenshots.
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Because, I mean, I think we've all been on bad dates, right?
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It's not, like, a traumatic experience, but maybe you didn't have a good date with someone.
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And there's this temptation to just shit-talk the people on these groups and I don't know.
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Here, let me get these soup chats really quick.
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One, what are the ladies' standards of a man's income, height, and fitness?
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What are the ladies' height, waist size, and the hip size?
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We're not going to do the second one, but we can ask their height at least.
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I mean, if you guys want to answer, that's fine.
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But, so, what are your standards, minimum income, height, fitness, and what's your height?
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I would say it's about the ambition and educational background for me.
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Yeah, I'm into sports, so it's like a match of interest for me.
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Um, height-wise, I am talking to someone who is just above my height, which I'm fine with.
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I thought I was like 5'5", 5'6", but I guess not.
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I guess around the same as me, which is a couple grand a month.
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Wait, so just to go back to you for a sec, you're 20, right?
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And you, so you said, it's not so much about number, but it's about ambition.
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But, like, let's say, do you know what you want to do career-wise?
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So, I worked in the World Bank in the past, and in real estate, so that's going to be,
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By the time you're in your mid-20s or late-20s or something like that, 30?
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So, do you want a partner that will match your level of income?
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Yeah, in that, because I don't work now, right?
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, somebody has to match my level and go up, right?
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Okay, so you're, upon graduation at 22, you're going to be earning 100K.
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So, you want a 22-year-old guy that's making 100K?
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Okay, but even then, I mean, I think the median income is something like $50,000.
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But, I mean, you're going to be on Wall Street, so I feel like maybe you'll figure it out.
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Understanding what they want, maturity, some level of well-roundness, understanding of the world, traveling.
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I don't really know year-wise, because my job isn't, like, fully consistent, because I could take breaks whenever.
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Fitness-wise, I mean, I don't work out or anything.
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Like, you don't have to go to the gym, fucking, for four hours a day.
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Minimum income, height, and the fitness one, whatever.
00:42:29.120
I like people with ambition and, like, that are passionate about something.
00:42:53.500
The interesting thing with the whole ambition thing, I often hear women say they want an
00:42:58.020
ambitious guy, and I think that's not entirely wrong, but my take on that is, is that women
00:43:04.020
are actually aren't attracted to ambitious men.
00:43:07.140
Women are attracted to ambitious men who have reaped the rewards of that ambition.
00:43:13.620
If you're ambitious and you're a bum, it doesn't, like, it's not really...
00:43:18.140
I mean, some girls will build with you, but, like...
00:43:21.360
I just like to see, like, ambition and, like, a plan.
00:43:24.240
Like, he knows, you know, he has, like, a sense of direction where he wants to go.
00:43:35.480
Listen, he's got hundreds of zealots and followers, and they're just...
00:43:46.160
So, as far as the income, I'm not really too stressed about that.
00:43:50.220
I come from a, like, traditional household, so we're, like, all pitching together.
00:43:53.100
As long as he's ambitious and knows where he's going in life, I can always help him.
00:43:57.460
Height-wise, I'm 5'8", so I want somebody at least my height or taller.
00:44:01.380
I'm just looking for, like, loyalty, ride or die, somebody who's going to have my back.
00:44:10.180
I mean, I was raised in a household where I was always provided for, and I don't make
00:44:16.060
that much money, so I've kind of just been used to that, so I feel...
00:44:24.280
Like, both of them, they've always, like, paid for all my stuff and stuff, which I'm very
00:44:30.520
So, like, I don't know, at least, don't be lazy.
00:44:34.220
I don't mind if I have to pay for my own stuff, because I can do that, but, like, don't be
00:44:38.120
Like, at least make money, have a job and stuff.
00:44:43.640
I'm, like, I think I'm, like, 5'5", 5'4", so, like, be taller than me.
00:44:48.600
I prefer taller guys, like, 6'0", but, like, if you're shorter, I don't really care.
00:44:56.300
No, no, I don't care if you're shorter than that, I just, like, taller guys, like, 6'0".
00:45:07.460
Okay, so, I'm curious about you, coming back to you.
00:45:09.840
So, you DM'd us, you wanted to come be on the show.
00:45:14.280
Is there a specific thing that you wanted to discuss, or just saw the show, wanted to...
00:45:31.460
And I was, like, pretty much formed as a personality.
00:45:34.220
And they come in, and they tell me, you can date multiple people at the same time.
00:45:38.180
You can, you know, there's no boundaries in that regard.
00:45:41.460
And, like, the sneakily kind of language and all this kind of stuff.
00:45:46.160
And I was just curious for me to hear, like, kind of a different perspective on how people build relationships.
00:45:51.500
Specifically, like, Eastern society versus Western society.
00:45:59.580
I think in Eastern society, it's more traditional in a sense of, you know, man provides for a woman.
00:46:08.760
And, you know, women, okay, with opening the doors.
00:46:14.060
And nobody, like, there's no debates about the fact that they should pay for that or, like, that they should contribute.
00:46:21.520
Where here, it's, like, very much a heated debate.
00:46:24.360
Another thing is that you start seeing somebody, you go on the first date, and, you know, that's kind of, like, you don't even actually talk.
00:46:31.500
You don't have a conversation whether you're dating.
00:46:38.500
There's a difference between, like, being exclusive in a relationship, being exclusive not in a relationship.
00:46:45.880
And I was, like, it took me a while to kind of, like, understand the logic of all of it.
00:46:53.500
So, in Ukraine, it's more, well, it's more traditional.
00:47:05.180
And so, and had you been, because you said you moved here in 2019.
00:47:11.120
So, you must have been 17 when you left Ukraine.
00:47:14.960
Had you dated a bit when you were in Ukraine, or just?
00:47:19.800
I dated one guy, like, in the last year of high school.
00:47:33.420
I met very, like, some very nice American men who had, like, who grew up in a European
00:47:42.700
And they're, like, the Americans, but they have different, I guess, views on things.
00:47:51.060
And you said your longest relationship, that was a three-month one.
00:48:14.680
I think we both understood that we don't see the same future together.
00:48:21.820
And it was just, like, didn't match on certain things.
00:48:26.240
And you said you kind of want a more traditional thing.
00:48:29.220
Do you want to continue working as you get older, or would you want a guy who's a provider?
00:48:34.680
I think it's a conversation in a relationship where you talk and say, you know, I can be
00:48:41.260
totally a housewife, and I can, as well, pursue a career.
00:48:45.080
But that's just a conversation of what two people find convenient for each other.
00:49:30.920
Leaving after two years is some three or four mentality.
00:49:33.680
Man's dating strategy is to get the most women until we settle.
00:49:37.960
A woman's is to get the best men she can retain.
00:49:56.480
They have no idea how hard it is to make six figures.
00:49:59.100
They act like six feet, six figure men grow on trees.
00:50:02.160
They're all competing for the top 10% of men, but they wonder why they keep getting pumped
00:50:08.200
I see how hard my parents work for six figures.
00:50:13.620
I've had to help them with the work at some point because they taught me how to do it.
00:50:26.420
I think I've never met someone who's over like six three, I think.
00:50:47.700
Actually, we'll just read it now if you want to pull it up, Eric.
00:50:56.100
Their hypergamy is exacerbated by narcissistic and hedonistic lifestyles.
00:50:59.600
Quickly jettison anyone but the top five to 10%.
00:51:02.220
When they say as long as they're ambitious, ambitious, excuse me, shows they don't accept men as they are,
00:51:08.440
rather projects to improve, rather projects to improve.
00:51:18.000
So, like, I don't expect someone to be already earning a lot of money and stuff.
00:51:22.220
I just want them to have, like, a realistic goal for their future.
00:51:32.520
But isn't men also perceive women as a pictures?
00:51:38.620
Isn't, like, men also perceive women as a pictures?
00:51:42.140
Yeah, like a beautiful picture that they like to go out with to show their status in society.
00:51:53.920
Yeah, like, there is a competition the same way, you know, women compete for the 10% who earn the highest,
00:52:01.840
and the men compete for those who look the most beautiful, whatever is their standard of beauty.
00:52:07.540
Well, beautiful women are much more common than high-earning, like, high-status men.
00:52:23.280
We're gonna have a very insane panel on Sunday.
00:52:28.520
I'm feeling this would probably be a bit more of a tame show tonight.
00:52:41.920
So, yeah, but Zentians, hey, thank you for the big...
00:52:49.580
So, your thing was that men also want to get the most...
00:52:57.620
But I think the big difference is in the dating marketplace is women are able to secure sexual access from men that will never commit to them.
00:53:06.900
So, women are chasing after really the top 10, top 20% of guys.
00:53:10.760
80% of women are chasing after the top 10, top 20% of guys.
00:53:14.800
And men will gladly sleep with a girl with not having any interest in ever committing to her.
00:53:20.300
Whereas I think a lot of women, in order for you to be able to sleep with a guy, he's...
00:53:27.080
Well, you're gonna at least view him as like, okay, I could be in a relationship with this guy.
00:53:33.140
So, and also women, men's and women's sexual strategies are...
00:53:39.560
But men and women's sexual strategies are different.
00:53:47.760
So, men will gladly sleep with a girl that we view as less attractive than us.
00:53:58.220
You're saying that basically what happened is that the man is chasing, will sleep with any woman there is as long as they find her attractive in some way.
00:54:11.220
Well, the difference is, okay, women typically date across and up socioeconomic hierarchies and attractiveness, whereas men, we date across and down.
00:54:26.920
Yes, but here's the difference is that a woman can sleep with a guy who's way more attractive than her and he might keep her around, but he will never commit to her.
00:54:39.600
Most women are not sleeping with just for sport.
00:54:42.760
They're not sleeping with men that are less attractive than them or lower in terms of their socioeconomic status just for sport.
00:54:50.680
But they shouldn't be sleeping with them just for sport.
00:55:05.520
Why pass up the chance to sleep with a really attractive guy or a guy who's really high status?
00:55:13.320
She might catch him, but most of the time that's not the case.
00:55:17.540
First of all, I don't think women should catch anybody.
00:55:33.000
So that's why I think it's a little bit weird here that you're saying, like, somebody catches somebody.
00:55:39.700
Well, when it comes to if women are chasing after...
00:55:43.200
Like, unless a woman is realistic about what, you know, her status on the dating marketplace, a lot of women tend to be delusional about their own physical appearance.
00:55:54.000
And so you're going to be chasing after a certain tier of guy.
00:56:09.540
Okay, if you want a guy who's six feet, you want a guy who's making over $100,000 a year, he's the catch.
00:56:24.040
If you're willing to date a guy that's on your level, then I think you're both a prize.
00:56:28.040
But a lot of women are chasing after these really high status guys.
00:56:34.440
I was going to say something before what you first said.
00:56:37.380
So I believe that men look at women and just want a rarity.
00:56:40.360
They want a woman that's going to represent them in a great manner.
00:56:43.120
A lot of women, modern day women, feminists, they don't do that.
00:57:03.820
I honestly sometimes think that the men should get paid higher than the women just because the way of the dating works.
00:57:09.460
But probably going to get a lot of attacks on that.
00:57:28.120
So let me get the rest of the Super Chats here.
00:57:30.760
But Zentians, thank you for that big $50 Super Chat, man.
00:57:48.300
What if he makes pretty good money, but he literally kills bad people for a living?
00:58:15.900
If height is a preference, something a man can't change.
00:58:18.260
But if a guy won't date a fat girl, something they can change.
00:58:21.040
Why is one a preference and the other is fatphobic or insecure?
00:58:38.560
And then, no offense, the body positivity movement, a lot of women are overweight and
00:58:52.640
Would you guys, if a guy said, hey, I don't want to date a woman who's obese or I don't
00:58:56.720
want to date a woman who's fat, would you take issue with that?
00:59:11.920
I mean, if he considers me fat, then I don't know why he's talking to me.
00:59:14.720
But if he doesn't want to date someone that's fat and he's talking to me, then why would
00:59:21.580
I've been told before I was a little too thick, before it didn't bother me.
00:59:30.140
I don't think I would like someone that would say that.
00:59:38.880
I don't think it's a productive thought or like something nice.
00:59:47.160
But if they, I could choose not to like them, though, if they told me that.
00:59:54.900
Yeah, but I don't mind if he says it, but I wouldn't like someone who says that.
01:00:00.260
They already commented on my role, so I mean, I don't know, man.
01:00:05.700
Would you also say that it's, you wouldn't know how you feel or you'd feel maybe badly
01:00:13.040
If she said she wouldn't date a guy who's short?
01:00:17.160
Yeah, I mean, I can see the double standard because I've heard many people say that and
01:00:21.860
it doesn't bother me as much as it would if someone says I wouldn't date someone fat.
01:00:26.380
And you know what's interesting about that, though, is you can control your weight, but
01:00:50.220
I told her that I don't really care about height.
01:00:52.840
Like, I thought about that before because I used to be like, oh, you know, 5'10 plus.
01:00:59.140
But I figured that's like perceiving people as objects rather than like who they actually
01:01:08.820
And I kind of like stopped doing that and like giving everybody a chance to, you know,
01:01:28.720
Respectfully, if you want a guy that's six feet and up, provide for you.
01:01:33.120
Your waist size should be at least 40% your height.
01:01:46.040
And by the way, thank you so much for all the support.
01:01:53.820
Men are not delusional, so they won't go for a Victoria's Secret model if his looks and
01:02:00.900
Actually, we have this comment here from Stifler.
01:02:03.220
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
01:02:27.140
Maybe I mentioned the 10 thing earlier, so maybe that.
01:02:30.020
No, I think just the scaling is kind of a BS a little bit.
01:02:33.920
Because from, you know, psychology, it's not about, like, what actual, how you
01:02:41.020
I mean, there is some part of that, but it's, like, how you present yourself.
01:02:44.820
And, like, there is a pretty woman who are told they're pretty, so they behave like a
01:02:49.200
And there is a pretty girls who are told they're ugly, so they behave like ugly girls.
01:02:58.220
Last one was on here with the Australian when she was, like, everyone's a 10.
01:03:18.720
Can you give this camera right here a little smile?
01:03:30.660
What's the sort of the response from men on that?
01:03:38.200
Some people ask questions like, when did you get it?
01:03:43.040
Or, you know, when are you going to take it off?
01:04:10.480
I don't know what happened to him, but I don't think anything bad happened.
01:04:24.480
He's the one, he was, I don't know, he's just a hot guy.
01:04:36.140
Oh, for some reason I was thinking his name was Tanner right now.
01:04:43.820
Theory that unattractive women receive disproportionately high attention from men, often more than women
01:04:52.320
Wait, unattractive women more attention than women of average attractiveness?
01:05:12.240
I feel as though people think that when you're super attractive that you already, you know,
01:05:16.840
So people are scared to approach you or they think you have a partner.
01:05:19.320
And then social media hypes up all these twos and they think that they're 20s and they're
01:05:28.660
And I think, I mean, he made the comparison between unattractive women and average women.
01:05:35.080
And I mean, I think it's maybe more so the case average women get more attention than
01:05:47.120
Denny Ace with the $10 soup chat skipped my last chat.
01:06:01.660
Men don't produce a pair bonding hormone when they have sex.
01:06:07.340
She also said possibly, yeah, it's possible to win the lottery too.
01:06:16.220
I think it was when someone said sex is only physical.
01:06:34.900
Also, we missed two Super Chats from last show.
01:06:40.560
Eric, on the Windows tab, you should be able to see like a Super Chat window.
01:06:47.080
Let me know if you find it, Eric, because I want to answer these Super Chats because they
01:06:50.380
came in right at the end, but I didn't get them last show.
01:07:24.940
I don't know if you're in chat, but thank you for the $10 to chat from last show.
01:07:32.420
That was a response to something we were talking about yesterday.
01:07:34.380
3NOK, the apathy towards the effort a man takes to encounter and show some sort of vulnerability
01:07:41.700
Men putting themselves out there is not as casual as women play it off to be.
01:07:48.700
So, just to give the context for that message, one of the girls said men should put in more
01:07:54.840
effort, and I said, well, we kind of do, especially in the initial stages, like asking for the
01:08:04.320
first date, making the first move, planning the date, setting up the date, the whole initial
01:08:09.440
courtship process, and she said, well, what did she say?
01:08:20.080
And so, I think that was in response to that, but that kind of brings us back to our initial
01:08:23.720
question that I had asked is, do you think men should put in more effort when it comes
01:08:38.820
Maybe at one point we, like, briefly talked about it.
01:08:45.720
Okay, I need to think of something controversial to say because you guys are too nice.
01:09:00.000
So, basically, on Christmas, I have Tinder gold.
01:09:05.320
So, I was looking at, like, who has liked me, and I saw this guy who I, like, two or probably
01:09:10.340
three months ago, I had added on Snapchat because he was just, I had tried to make plans with
01:09:18.020
I thought you were not on a date on the apps because you were told.
01:09:20.720
Sorry, no, this is, like, I just had deleted Tinder, like, yesterday.
01:09:29.440
On Christmas, I, like, saw that he had liked me, but I had added him on Snapchat, like,
01:09:33.940
months ago because every time I try to make plans with him, we'll, like, get up to, like,
01:09:38.900
And then he'll just, like, kind of ghost me and just literally never respond, never say
01:09:44.700
So, one night, it got to that point, and he just kind of ghosted me, just never responded.
01:09:49.600
And on Christmas, I, like, matched with him because, like, okay, maybe I'll give him a
01:10:01.080
Like, I'm sorry how things, like, how I left things.
01:10:07.240
He's, like, oh, like, I would, like, I'm sorry about how I left things.
01:10:20.480
Okay, I've never met this guy before, and I don't have any connection with him, really.
01:10:31.920
Can you give us the plot synopsis of the story?
01:10:33.860
Okay, he DMs me saying that he misses me and that he has a Christmas gift for me.
01:10:37.500
Which is weird because I've never met him before.
01:10:39.160
So, I was, like, this is just kind of random and weird that I've never met you before and you have a gift for me.
01:10:43.460
And then he's, like, oh, yeah, like, I could drop it off later.
01:10:46.080
And I was, like, oh, no, look, I'd rather go pick it up from you because I don't, like, I've never met you before.
01:10:51.560
And me and her were driving around anyways, and I was, like, okay, let me come pick it up.
01:10:55.760
We come out here, and he didn't give me his address unless I asked, like, three times.
01:10:59.940
We asked, like, multiple times for his address.
01:11:03.960
Like, wouldn't get, like, we had to be persistent.
01:11:07.900
And he would, like, ignore it, and then we'd ask again.
01:11:13.400
Took him, like, three or four tries to get the actual address.
01:11:15.740
So he sends me with the gift, and I was, like, can you leave it outside, and I'll grab it.
01:11:18.360
He's, like, okay, I'll send you a picture of where it is.
01:11:19.620
He leaves it in his apartment, like, in his house.
01:11:22.260
And I was, like, okay, he's, like, just go through the back door.
01:11:27.620
And, like, I, and the gift was a t-shirt and $20.
01:11:32.540
He probably, like, tossed it off his back or just out of the wash and just folded it and put $20 on it.
01:11:36.840
And I have, like, video proof of this, too, because I took videos because I was scared.
01:11:43.080
He's, like, oh, no, like, I just left for work.
01:11:46.540
And I go in and just, it would just be walked in and grabbed it and left.
01:11:50.280
And then he's, like, I have something else for you.
01:11:55.760
Some random guy just left me $20 and a t-shirt.
01:11:59.880
How did you think you were going to get kidnapped, then, if he gave you something?
01:12:06.860
No, because the way it was set up was really creepy.
01:12:12.380
I would have paid you $10 to not tell that story.
01:12:28.480
Can you tell when a guy is even being creepy, then?
01:12:30.720
Because then that means you're accused of everybody of being creepy.
01:12:36.580
No, it's, like, if you tell it's, like, not that creepy.
01:12:39.160
In the moment, it was just kind of, like, freaky.
01:12:43.440
He texted me on Snapchat, and he just really wanted me to see his Instagram DM.
01:12:48.120
Yeah, I mean, like, hearing it, I can tell it doesn't sound that creepy.
01:12:50.920
And it was, like, really, really unnerving in the moment.
01:12:54.160
No, no, it was just really random because I've never met him before,
01:13:01.340
So I thought it was just really strange that he wanted to give me something.
01:13:13.140
If a girl texted you that you've never met before,
01:13:16.220
Go into my empty house when no one's home and grab it.
01:13:26.280
I thought he was going to just be naked on the couch or some shit.
01:13:29.140
No, well, I'm just saying, it was a weird thing.
01:13:32.020
Like, if someone just, you've never met before,
01:13:49.200
When you've decided that you want to sleep with a guy,
01:14:02.000
If you've decided, I want to sleep with this guy,
01:14:12.380
What is your success rate between you deciding,
01:14:28.260
when you were like, I want to sleep with that guy,
01:14:33.920
I was going to say you could see him on a dating app,
01:14:48.200
with a thought of which guy I'm going to sleep with today.
01:14:53.740
Like, that's not the first thing that pops on my mind
01:15:10.520
I don't know, some people want to hook up quick,
01:15:17.660
I'm the type of person where I'm very, like, to myself,
01:15:32.340
I don't want to be rude and cut people off, I'm sorry.
01:15:37.460
or, like, I decide to sleep with them, like, two days later?
01:15:43.000
So, let's say you go on the first date with a guy,
01:15:59.740
okay, he's probably gonna make the move on our second date,
01:19:04.500
I usually will take my time talking to somebody
01:33:45.100
I don't even know what the original question is
02:10:58.720
say in English I can say I can say that but um in
02:11:16.600
sorry well I mean that's not that's not what he's
02:11:18.600
saying no he's saying he's supporting and saying that
02:11:20.600
she's dumb because she that happened to her but that's not
02:11:25.400
true but you shouldn't use words like that because
02:11:29.340
today accusations and stuff like that those are big
02:11:31.700
things you should not say be careful you're from
02:11:34.240
Ukraine out here baby those words could get a man put
02:11:38.640
other that's not a good thing at all I'm not saying
02:11:40.680
he's encouraging I'm saying he's supporting that by
02:11:43.260
supporting the man read the thing all over again you
02:11:47.580
somebody you just met online is a good thing or a bad
02:11:49.480
thing really okay well I don't think I am stupid
02:11:52.720
I'm not saying you're dumb but I'm just saying in
02:11:54.400
general like I don't think that's a smart idea I'm
02:11:55.960
not saying you're dumb I'm just saying that's not a
02:11:59.300
disagreeing don't shoot the message you have this
02:12:02.940
heat now for me go to him baby because you didn't
02:12:04.580
have it before stop it no looking back on it I know
02:12:07.580
it's not the smartest thing to do but at the time I
02:12:10.580
didn't really know better do you want to give your
02:12:16.660
I was working this is early for our shows you know
02:12:21.500
they go longer than that okay we got a crispy Kim
02:12:24.200
$10 soup chat it's pretty dumb to invite a dude over to
02:12:27.240
look at your paintings without realizing that he was
02:12:29.120
trying to clap cheeks like you really got painting
02:12:31.380
supplies ready he didn't come for brush strokes I I would
02:12:35.440
have honestly I'll give you my take if you invited me over
02:12:38.660
to paint I would have painted I would have painted necessarily
02:12:44.200
like all that like oh my gosh she's so stupid she's so dumb I
02:12:48.500
also think that maybe people should take time to like get to
02:12:53.080
know others and people should read the room and like not like you
02:12:58.580
know what I mean just take take time with people I don't think if if he
02:13:03.260
had just taken a moment to talk to me then I feel like it would have gone a
02:13:08.440
different route but yeah well you know the thing with the dating apps though is
02:13:12.360
that they are typically it was bumble right yeah yeah it is kind of like a bit
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more hookup ish especially tinder maybe bumble a little less so hinge much more
02:13:24.580
less so I think but uh yeah I think on dating apps it's kind of a crapshoot like a
02:13:29.920
lot of people are on there like they just want to hook up all right we have
02:13:33.500
Davon Jackson here with the $50 soup chat I'm not sure if you know how math
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works but I didn't just send 50 here today and no I don't have any tattoos but if
02:13:40.960
they can name three countries outside of the U.S. Mexico and Canada I'll get
02:13:44.220
their faces tatted on me uh my brain's not working right now that might be a
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legally binding contract okay name three countries outside the U.S.
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Mexico and Canada go three countries go I'm not no you guys got it come on I'm
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my brain clap back at him he's telling you stuff I'm too tired Jubilee shut up answer
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what country I'm from Ukraine um I I don't know come on I'm too tired my brain is
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really not working right now I'm exhausted three countries come on um yo this is
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early for our shows I know you can't tap out so so quick we'll run around over
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there and come back um would you consent to her slapping you in the face to wake you up
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can I do it go go can Savannah slap you that'll wake you up can I actually go right here do it right here
02:14:44.060
oh dang don't hit me in the back of the head I've never been slapped before I don't think
02:15:24.500
Not you guys in general, but a lot of women say that men will sleep with everything that
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moves, then why do you guys go to people's houses not expecting that that's what they
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I wouldn't go to any guy's house unless I was going to do something or talk to him for long
02:15:40.220
You guys, I need to get up for a sec, so go ahead.
02:15:45.480
I haven't really done anything like that until recently when I started talking to the guy.
02:15:50.300
And I've learned that the first time I ever meet someone, I bring my friend.
02:15:54.360
And, like, I have them bring a friend so I can see how they're around, like, my friends,
02:16:04.760
And then, like, if I like it and I keep talking to them after that, I go and hang out with
02:16:08.720
Like, I meet somewhere with them and then, like, hang out.
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And if I like them still, like, I'll go back to their house and, like, not do anything
02:16:18.620
Like, with this dude, like, we met in the collection.
02:16:23.040
And then, I think, like, a few days later, we were still talking stuff.
02:16:35.820
On Tuesday, she drove me to the fucking Navy base.
02:16:40.340
And I was, like, honestly, it's perfect because I was, like, okay, if I'm not feeling him,
02:16:44.980
So, like, I feel like dealing with a guy and stuff like that with hooking up and all that,
02:16:54.040
Is that considered a date, though, if you go on a group setting?
02:17:05.800
Oh, I'm thinking she's, like, right next to you on the date.
02:17:11.820
To be fair, I was having a really, really bad day.
02:17:20.620
We were like, hey, just so you know, like, me and my friend are kind of a lot when we're
02:17:49.060
So, name three countries outside the U.S., Mexico, and Canada.
02:18:10.740
I thought about this question, and I think it's a bit of a trick question because when
02:18:14.560
you think about countries, like you're thinking, like, if I were to say name three European
02:18:21.360
countries or name three South American countries, for some reason, that makes it easier for me.
02:18:26.480
Like, if I'm just thinking, oh, three countries.
02:18:28.860
But if I break it down to, like, Europe, for example, I'm like, okay, Sweden, Norway, Finland,
02:18:33.140
Lithuania, Italy, Greece, you know, I'll just, it's much easier.
02:18:52.040
Hong Kong, Thailand, Bangkok, Beijing, Philippines.
02:19:33.860
I have one coming in from Jordan Peterson, but it's new.
02:19:55.280
Because Harry Potter series doesn't count, though.
02:20:12.240
Flan Life, thank you for the Canadian $10, man.
02:20:21.140
But anyways, I would have been down for the Spoderman tickets.
02:20:26.580
That's not what I was saying earlier about the Spiderman tickets.
02:20:33.680
If you ladies get rid of all your dating apps, how will you find a man considering you don't
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I mean, it's kind of just like, isn't that just the general order of things?
02:20:55.700
I mean, I'd say, though, generally speaking, most women don't approach men.
02:21:04.700
Well, the thing is, is women don't even really need to.
02:21:07.900
You don't need to approach men because men are already going to be approaching you and
02:21:12.740
So like you can, women can get away with not approaching men and just picking among the
02:21:22.300
If they go, if you go out to bars and clubs, guys, we're going to approach you that way.
02:21:31.100
I would consider becoming a passport bro to go to the States from Canada to date her.
02:21:44.220
You got a, you got a little, a little fan there.
02:21:58.780
Women, for some reason, are better at shooting long distance targets than men.
02:22:03.620
I know that, um, I think in World War II, Russia had, uh, like, uh, women's, not, not
02:22:19.880
Uh, Russia had some, uh, female snipers and apparently they had like a ton of, I don't
02:22:25.580
know what the term is for, for snipers for your kill count or whatever, but, uh, yeah,
02:22:33.940
Props to the ladies, Viet girl, Ukrainian girl, and lady in the back that aren't clapping
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They don't lower themselves to the level of haters and avoid conflict.
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Uh, yo, we got, uh, by the way, dinosaur, thank you so much for the, uh, support.
02:23:03.480
No one getting yelled at for being on their phones.
02:23:18.100
So no one getting yelled at for being on their phones.
02:23:22.900
So the non girl, she, she had a sour puss on her face the entire show.
02:23:26.960
And, uh, you know, I, you know, before the show, I said, Hey guys, don't, don't pull
02:23:34.720
And she was like pulling out her phone, looking at it and just kind of being, I don't know.
02:23:39.620
And so I told her, like, she pulled out her phone and was texting while
02:23:42.320
one of the girls was talking and I was like, put your phone down.
02:23:45.560
So anyways, so I don't know if he's criticizing me or, or he's upset at the
02:23:52.820
I'm not supporting the man that took advantage of her at all.
02:23:55.640
I'm saying it's dumb because I think that that man is trash and she blessed him with the
02:24:15.780
And he also owns, um, if you guys don't know, he's, he's, I think he's in, uh, he's in New
02:24:21.920
Mexico or Texas and he owns a chain of waffle houses.
02:24:25.740
So yeah, he's a, he's a major like proprietor of if you're ever in Texas or New Mexico, he'll
02:24:33.700
Wait, is that even, wait, I don't think, oh no, it's, um, what's the big one in Texas?
02:24:45.640
Dave on Jackson thinking for the $20 soup chat.
02:24:47.920
She's dumb to me until proven otherwise and otherwise it's likely to be proven in this
02:24:53.620
So he said something nice, but it's kind of a bit of a hot, a little hot and cold.
02:24:59.720
Uh, so do you want to give your proxy to someone to, to talk shit or no?
02:25:13.000
Um, we got Myers with the, is this, what is this?
02:25:24.860
I bet that Ukrainian would be better mother than 90% of the mothers of nowadays.
02:25:36.780
Well, I mean, I think you've said some, besides that one thing where I think a couple of people
02:25:44.600
I mean, I think everything else you've said has been pretty on point.
02:25:55.980
She slapped the world geography out of her laughing.
02:26:02.060
Um, how, how much of a super chat from anybody for a subset for you to slap Savannah?
02:26:10.980
Do you, do you want to receive another slap from Savannah?
02:26:22.000
Honestly, it, I literally didn't know she was going to do it.
02:26:30.720
By the way, guys, this is no longer a dating show.
02:26:39.440
I love how when men make stupid mistakes, they agree and they tell men to accept that they
02:26:44.080
When you call a woman out for it, they get defensive and try to make excuses or try to
02:26:57.480
DeBlonde not only capped at the beginning, but through her friend under DeBus as well.
02:27:12.400
Her heart, attention, and loyalty are much more important than some mishap.
02:27:39.940
I want to get you a bit out of your comfort zone.
02:29:57.520
Mangu King, thank you for the $10 soup chat, man.
02:30:06.300
Oh, very hard for you to have proper conversations
02:31:01.320
And I've been getting a little bit better at it.
02:31:11.840
You know, I've been doing YouTube for 10 years.
02:31:35.180
Ask Ukrainian what the Russian name for Eugene is.
02:32:15.000
Because I feel like I don't know enough information.
02:36:50.320
Should I still answer if I said that I will not intrude?
02:37:20.780
Honestly, the girls have been pretty based, my dude.
02:37:28.420
If you were going to roast a girl, it would probably be Jade.
02:37:50.560
People will criticize your path as long as you have one.
02:37:52.820
Do not let the internet haters bother your state of mind.
02:38:01.240
Is there anything dating related that you want to get off your chest?
02:38:04.740
Maybe you can ask for some dating advice or maybe there's something that frustrates you
02:38:24.620
I didn't know that gentlemen still existed, but he's actually extremely gentlemanly.
02:38:32.560
And I was like, wow, it was a pleasant surprise.
02:38:36.560
I don't think he's a gentleman because he hooked up with you and then friendzoned you.
02:38:55.060
Like he opens doors for me and he's sweet and he's kind and like...
02:39:05.180
So the question is, where are all the gentlemen?
02:39:14.540
You're just probably looking and knocking on the wrong door.
02:39:18.260
Don't go on dates with random dudes you don't know.
02:39:21.580
And me personally, you can take this advice if you want to.
02:39:25.300
How are you going to get to know somebody and study them if you talk to multiple guys?
02:39:28.360
I feel like that's what's wrong with a lot of women nowadays.
02:39:47.480
Well, a lot of men are waking up to how the way the dating marketplace is and the way
02:39:58.480
And we see the way women move and we're like, well, we don't want to be gentlemen.
02:40:03.460
Like, for example, and I think, Tay, you might have reacted to this.
02:40:10.260
Maybe that's why you wanted to come on the show.
02:40:17.280
And my whole thing is, is that most of the women that at least...
02:40:23.280
And perhaps part of this is my fault because, I mean, you know, maybe I've been going after
02:40:31.520
There's some women who are moving in certain ways that you wouldn't think.
02:40:49.160
They're dating a whole bunch of people at the same time.
02:40:51.120
Maybe they're sleeping with multiple people at the same time.
02:40:59.700
So, going into a first date, I'm thinking, okay, she's probably talking to another guy.
02:41:08.920
And I've talked to girls who got one, two, three guys that they're sleeping with.
02:41:16.740
I'm not going to pay for a girl under these circumstances.
02:41:23.620
That's me being more traditional and adhering to my traditional gender roles.
02:41:31.160
If you're not traditional, then I don't want to...
02:41:43.020
You'll have girls that'll just go on dates with you.
02:41:46.400
Yo, Elder Scrolls, thank you for the membership.
02:41:51.660
Girls will just go on a date with you because they're bored.
02:42:04.420
This girl I went on a date with left me a voice memo explaining we went on a date.
02:42:20.580
So, well, I'll just play it and you guys will hear.
02:42:55.600
So, I actually wanted to tell you something to be honest, of course.
02:43:14.100
but, anyway, the summary is that I am dating somebody else.
02:43:18.980
The reason why, anyway, I wanted to meet you even if I'm dating somebody else is because
02:43:27.060
it's been so long that we have been, I don't know, exchange messages, like one year without
02:43:34.400
seeing each other, and I just wanted to see you, like, in reality, in real, for real.
02:43:44.000
And I thought that if I had told you that I am dating somebody else, you probably wouldn't
02:44:03.760
So, when she says we've been talking for a year, she went back to Italy.
02:44:08.580
We matched on a dating app, but it was, like, pandemic hit.
02:44:12.800
We'd, like, every three months, we'd just say hey on Instagram, whatever.
02:44:31.320
Why did you meet with her if she has a boyfriend?
02:44:47.680
So, I mean, I've had these experiences, and I've, you know, luckily, I don't do food dates anymore because that's a bad idea.
02:44:55.900
One or two times I probably had the foodie call, whatever.
02:45:01.300
Like, this weird, to be fair, well, I shouldn't say to be fair.
02:45:15.080
I didn't want to tell you that I had a boyfriend because you wouldn't want to meet up with me.
02:45:22.260
She should have told me, and then I could have gone from there.
02:45:25.220
But she basically went on a date with me under, like, a false, anyways.
02:45:47.920
That's what scares me a lot about dating is the fact that, like, I told you guys, I grew up with grandparents.
02:45:51.780
So, I have a different mindset with this stuff, and I love relationships and talking to one person at a time.
02:45:56.780
You saying that kind of, like, bothers me because a lot of women feminists have ruined it, and, like, men don't want to take women out on dates anymore.
02:46:03.440
Especially if you guys are giving it up like Skittles.
02:46:07.120
If they're getting it for free, they don't have to be chivalrous.
02:46:10.100
First of all, you can always ask for a walk, coffee, FaceTime, whatever you need to ask the questions and to get the wipe.
02:46:18.520
And then, you know, realize you want to contribute.
02:46:22.240
Second thing, I think, it's kind of weird for me that in U.S. you try to make it fair around, like, let's say, $20, $30 bill that you pay for girls.
02:46:32.240
So, basically, as a successful man, you're arguing that I need my $20, $30 back because I had this expectation, but she didn't meet my expectations.
02:46:44.100
So, like, the contract we kind of had was wrong, right?
02:46:48.560
So, like, I didn't get out of her what I wanted.
02:46:51.580
So, like, that's why it's unfair to me because I paid with expectation that there could be a relationship, right?
02:46:56.800
But, for example, in Ukraine, men buy flowers, expensive bags, cars for the woman they're just dating.
02:47:25.240
And thus, they elicit traditional behavior in their men.
02:47:39.020
Have you also heard, like, women in this generation going, I'm a baddie, I'm a 10, I'm not a slave, I don't got to cook or clean for you?
02:47:47.540
Like, if you go on social media, even in real life, women talk like that nowadays, so that makes a man not want to do a lot of things.
02:47:53.220
They'll ruin it and scream so loud from the rooftops that they forget that there's women like us who want marriage, want love, want loyalty, and want all that.
02:48:09.620
So, if what it takes to get sex from a woman is marriage, that's what men will do.
02:48:18.040
But if what it takes to get sex from a woman is a couple messages on the dating app come over, that's what men will do.
02:48:29.200
Because men, generally, that's like our primary motivating thing is to get sex.
02:48:41.140
Feminism freed women from commitment, from marriage.
02:48:46.000
I mean, there's different people with different perspectives.
02:48:50.120
You're definitely looking for somebody who has certain kind of values so that if you don't niche on that even simple level, that's a no for you as well.
02:49:01.080
So, like, just, I guess the easiest would be to move on and, you know, find somebody and ask the questions you want to ask that's gonna, you know, give you what you want.
02:49:12.660
I also, I don't think, like, all men, like, want necessarily that, like, low body count, like, someone submissive.
02:49:26.540
No, not all men, but most men want those things.
02:49:35.300
And I also don't think all women feel, like, ashamed to have a high body count or ashamed to be, like, sexually liberated.
02:49:49.440
Well, okay, well, we can go back to the body count thing, but...
02:49:53.300
I don't think, and I don't think either, like, either men or women should be promiscuous.
02:50:06.960
Some men argue, well, it's okay for men, and there are differences between men and women, and there is a double standard there.
02:50:16.540
But I'm coming at this from what makes society function best, and that is the nuclear family, traditional households, and monogamy.
02:50:37.540
I think there's so many people and so many different personalities that it's impossible to fit us all in that box.
02:50:49.380
There are many different people who pride themselves in being sexually liberated.
02:51:02.780
You can enjoy sex and still believe in monogamy and being more traditional.
02:51:10.580
Look, ultimately, at the end of the day, you're free to do whatever you want.
02:51:15.620
If you want to move in life a certain way, that's fine, right?
02:51:19.600
But I'm thinking in terms of what is best for society, it's monogamy.
02:51:33.660
I feel like society would function better if people would stay together.
02:51:49.460
Not a complaint, but I'm concerned about how, you know, the divorce rate is sky high.
02:52:03.980
I had a comment about monogamy before, but that's fine.
02:52:08.700
Well, you can say what you wanted to say initially.
02:52:11.060
I think monogamy now is different from monogamy than it used to be.
02:52:17.040
Monogamy in the 17th century is one person for life.
02:52:20.740
So we're talking about different definitions of monogamy.
02:52:22.860
And now we include the open relationship and all the kind of stuff that creates even bigger confusion for people.
02:52:29.700
And I think that women have solved the idea that they are like men.
02:52:36.060
Because the moment you agree to have sex with a man, you agree you can have a child with that person.
02:52:49.640
But you have that longing to continue the relationship with that person with whom you have sex.
02:52:54.880
And that's because you are emotionally attached to that.
02:52:57.200
That's why men can't have a lot of different sexual encounters and still not feel a thing for them.
02:53:02.800
Like, you know, they can love the one person but fuck with another one.
02:53:07.380
Like, we are emotionally attached to the person we have sex with because we agree to have a child with that person.
02:53:13.320
Is when a woman has had a lot of sexual partners, she loses that.
02:53:21.760
Just women can start chipping away at that bonding.
02:53:29.700
And I liked exactly what you said, but I feel like women should not be promiscuous at all.
02:53:35.000
Because, like he said, they cannot commit after having multiple partners.
02:53:38.820
And on top of that, imagine sitting there, you want to be a wife, you want to be loyal.
02:53:42.380
How can you do that if you're practicing, you know, sucking fun dip every week?
02:53:48.900
You're not practicing how to talk to him, how to cater, how to be submissive, and how to talk to him in a nurturing way.
02:53:58.780
I'm only speaking on women who, like, want to be wives.
02:54:00.960
All the other OF hoes and all those type of girls, I'm not talking to y'all.
02:54:08.560
You already started talking about divorce rate.
02:54:10.480
I think the reason the divorce rate is so high is because, sorry, I lost my thought,
02:54:16.400
is because women, like, men don't know how to build relationships.
02:54:22.960
So they start the sex part because it's the most easier part to figure out in a relationship.
02:54:32.120
But nobody talks and teaches us how to communicate, how to build boundaries, how to communicate
02:54:37.240
your values, how to, I don't know, talk about, like, future together and stuff like that.
02:54:42.100
And that's why people are so bad at, like, actual long-term relationship because when
02:54:46.440
the sex part is eliminated, there is nothing left.
02:54:49.660
Being honest, you can only say that for so long.
02:54:52.200
Like, once you get to a certain age, maybe there's books, there's education.
02:54:54.900
If you could sit on your phone all day, watch TikTok things, you could watch How to Be
02:54:58.180
Pearly things, she has a wife edition thing that she does for a whole hour.
02:55:02.760
So there's all these things now that you can learn to be a wife.
02:55:05.160
So when women give me another excuse after another, I'm not buying it.
02:55:09.520
No, I'm saying that people jump to the sex part so quickly because that's the easiest
02:55:26.200
Assuming there's men who may not also want to have sex that fast, whatever.
02:55:29.920
People jump so fast because the sex part is understandable.
02:55:35.840
Like, at least with me, I'm a very stern woman.
02:55:37.840
I know what I bring to the table and I offer a lot.
02:55:39.840
So when I talk to a man, I tell him, I'll cook for you.
02:55:45.780
I think a lot of people misconstrue if I don't sleep with you right off the bat that I'm
02:55:51.740
I want a deeper connection because I want a husband.
02:55:54.540
So if women had stern boundaries, the world would be so different right now.
02:55:58.100
But instead, they want to be, oh my God, let's pop it open for everybody.
02:56:12.080
It's great on Sunday because I'm putting together a pretty crazy panel for our Sunday
02:56:19.240
show, which, by the way, guys, whoops, didn't mean to play that.
02:56:22.920
We are switching to Sunday, Tuesday schedule, guys.
02:56:31.340
So the original question was, what happened to the gentleman?
02:56:47.940
Because I know we kind of, did you want to come in at all?
02:56:53.140
Well, we had responded to something that you said.
02:56:58.300
About females being able to be sexually liberated?
02:57:05.540
You said that, so let's decouple enjoying sex from, you can be, you can enjoy sex, but also
02:57:14.520
kind of have more traditional views or not engage in casual sex.
02:57:19.360
And listen, I think you should be free to do whatever you want, but I don't think it makes
02:57:27.560
And I mean, from your own experience, it sounds like you have not had particularly positive
02:57:34.960
I just want to let you know, but it doesn't sound like it's been a positive.
02:57:38.140
No, I mean, I am an emotional person and I do get emotionally attached and like, like
02:57:47.000
you said, but I don't feel like it makes anybody any less of a person if they have like a high
02:57:54.860
body count or if they like to hook up with people.
02:58:01.820
I think there's way more to life than just being a wife.
02:58:05.080
Like you to spread love and kindness to one another.
02:58:08.980
I think that is so important and being married and being a wife is doesn't, it's, it's not
02:58:15.280
for me personally, it's not my like, like end all goal.
02:58:20.920
So when we're talking about body count and promiscuity, we're not, we're not talking about
02:58:25.500
someone's value as a human being or like, that's, that's not really the framing.
02:58:29.840
What we're talking about is their value in the dating marketplace and how potential partners
02:58:37.860
So if you are promiscuous, if you have a high body count, that, that men are going to view
02:58:48.760
A lot of men are not attracted to women with high body counts.
02:58:52.900
But generally speaking, we don't want to date promiscuous women.
02:59:00.820
But then, you know, I'll find somebody who will be okay with it.
02:59:06.080
I mean, there are plenty of simps that will be fine with it.
02:59:17.020
But I think those men might be the ones that are just going to continue wanting something
02:59:27.620
But the guy who's, for just sex, guys care less about body count.
02:59:33.940
But for long-term commitment, guys are going to look at a woman's past and say, okay, is
02:59:51.440
I would hope that they would get to know me long enough to not really care about that,
03:00:01.880
Well, and I mean, I don't, I think perhaps also you may make up for it in other ways too.
03:00:15.380
So I think, you know, you have that going for you.
03:00:27.600
No, it's just like you're saying you would allow the person to know you enough to tell
03:00:33.660
But for that, you had to say no to sex because you're going to ask.
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I totally, I was, I had something that I wanted to say, but it slipped to my mind.
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Count your lucks, excuse me, count your lucky stars.
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Good, think it was one and done, or you may have had a dick up your, okay.
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Everybody in the chat keeps writing therapy for her, but a lot of men tell us that we don't
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So the fact that she's in therapy and you guys are bagging on her, you know, she didn't do
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Therapy is what made me the person I am right now.
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I'm sitting here talking to you, articulating my words, taking accountability.
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They still exist, but two things push men away from it.
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Feminism attacking traditional roles and killing chivalry.
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Women insulting and using men for their kindness.
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Yeah, I think the thing I was going to say, I think had to do with this, but it's just slipped
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We have, uh, Denny Ace here with the $10 soup chat.
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The gentlemen are literally in your friend zone.
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And so a lot of men's experience, when we do do the right thing, when we are, when we
03:02:18.580
are nice, when we do the traditional courtship, a lot of men's experiences, we get burned when
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When we do the right thing, when we pay for the bill, when we, you know, are, uh, all these
03:02:38.100
What, what are some other examples of being a gentleman paying for, um, being chivalrous,
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securing her in general, like opening the door for her, um, complimenting her, just being
03:02:48.240
But yeah, we've been like, we, so many men have been burned when we do that with women,
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And then we see the women and they go after the jerk, the asshole, the bad boy.
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So if you're tired of assholes, I mean, stop women reward men who are assholes, who are jerks,
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Um, there was literally on fresh and fit where they were talking about this and there were
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That's what they like because toxic men give you something that normal men don't crazy roller
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They're nonchalant and they ignore the fuck out of you.
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But there's guys out here, probably in your DMS message you every day, talking about girl,
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Those girls don't want that because, Oh, he's too nice.
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But in all reality, that man would probably be a great father.
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That man will probably give you a good morning text every single day, but you guys don't want those
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So it kind of sucks because all those men now sitting on the back burner and they're
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I, I think that you also don't want the woman who don't value you being a gentleman, right?
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So if she doesn't value you and chooses somebody in a different direction, then she's not for
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You choose somebody who will value that and stay consistent with you and appreciate you for
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But I mean, you can't change what, what do you do when 90% of the women do go after
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the bad boy, the jerk, the asshole, you choose the one who doesn't, but I feel like it's hard
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to say because I feel like guys are the ones who initially are the ones asking us out with
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We're just sitting here getting all the luxury from it.
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He's probably so tired of this going on dates, liking you, telling you good morning every
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And then it's not reciprocated or you don't appreciate him.
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Uh, the gentlemen are literally in your friend zone.
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You called you, you called you, labeled him friend for a reason.
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The thing is, is that guys who are nice guys that would actually be fantastic husbands, great
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fathers, they're usually not particularly exciting.
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And a lot of women are attracted to exciting men that can, you often hear women say, I don't
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So a guy who's going to be a, who's a good person, who'd be a good father, good partner,
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He might not, he might not be particularly charismatic or conversationally.
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Maybe he's a bit, a bit shy when he's first meeting you.
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Um, did you want to, it looked like you want to, I low key wish that sometimes like what
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he's saying, if I see a shy guy or introverted guy, I don't take.
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I like that because I want to bring a side out of you.
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So I wish women would look at it in a different way.
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Like we can bring those things out of men instead of looking at, in a negative quality.
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Because those type of qualities are really good.
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I want to say, uh, so the longest guy, a guy I dated was actually the one I didn't like
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Like I couldn't like, it's just like, I didn't like him enough.
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I was like, but then he asked me again and he was like very nice and he continued to
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I mean, we had a misalignment of values in the sense of how we see our future, but at
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the same time, like he was the only one in the, like, cause, and we were having this
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conversation when he was telling me, oh, you know, I, I'm going to get you.
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Like, you know, it doesn't matter whether you kind of, cause I was speaking with other
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guys and I told him that he was, I was pretty open about that.
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So I was like, I'm talking to you and I'm talking to this other guy and he's like, it
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We just, you know, it didn't make sense for us to continue because we had a different idea
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I would have paid you $10 to not tell me that story.
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Um, we, we hung out once, uh, I was like, Hey, let's hang out again or that's not verbatim
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Hey, it was nice meeting you, but I didn't feel the connection I'm looking for.
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So, I mean, this is frequently what men encounter is I didn't feel the vibe.
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And I think long-term relationships, that is something that is, I believe built.
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It's not because it, to me, it's not, I put the vibe, the connection, the chemistry, I
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put that on the same level as love at first sight.
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And if you ask most people, do you believe in love at first sight?
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And if you do, I mean, maybe some people have had that, but here's, here's actually, here's
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Did, did that end up working out or did, did that guy end up being not such a good match
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So clearly chemistry or connection or electricity or the vibe or lightning or whatever.
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You have butterflies, whatever bullshit term you use to describe this feeling.
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It's not a good indicator that this is going to be a good person for you to date.
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I think us as women, we have really high expectations.
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And I think that's what sets us like bad at first.
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Also watching all these movies, all these guys doing these extravagant things.
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So we expect all these things, but in all reality, you have to make memories and create
03:08:50.800
memories with guys in order to build that vibe.
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You can't just judge somebody off the first like encounter.
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You don't know if he's been on these dates and like, he's super nervous.
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You don't know what he's going through, you know?
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So I feel like we, we consume things and we don't understand how a man really is.
03:09:05.860
I think we should cancel the porn for the guys and cancel Cinderella stories for the
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Or make Disney movies so that men and women both can get catered to.
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Why is it always the prince running to the girl all the time?
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So that means you take care of him in all aspects, help him with certain things and build
03:10:00.800
So as far as I understand in the 15th century, the way that the.
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The woman who was young and coming from a good family chose the most richest guy.
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The fathers was choosing, but they were choosing based on what?
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And based on that, they were pairing out the people.
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You can either choose a man who's six figure earner.
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All the qualities you ever wanted besides the job portion.
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I think you're phrasing it the wrong way because.
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I don't know what kind of guys you experience, but I had a man even teach me how to change
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That's why I'm saying I would build up a man because I have been built up by a man.
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Would you build up a man, be his ride or die, or no?
03:12:10.940
Well, but earlier you said you want a guy who's ambitious, right?
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But that kind of goes back to the thing I said that women don't want ambitious men.
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They want ambitious men that have reaped the benefits of said ambition.
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So a guy who's, like I said, the guy who's ambitious, but he makes 20K a year.
03:12:40.260
You can't hustle and work at like a warehouse job or like things like that and make money
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But that's at the same time is that my attraction, the way I'm attracted.
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I'm attracted to the status in the society because that's how I enjoy life.
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So do you think you love him for him and like the type of person he was?
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So if that money was stripped from him, no more six figures, would you still be there?
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That's why I say that like I have a rider die mentality.
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So a lot of women just slowly think about money.
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If you like are dating someone and they have like a job that makes a lot of money, but
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And then there's another man you're seeing and he's very happy with his job.
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He's very passionate about it, but he makes very low income.
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I told you that we'll go for somebody who is less on my level of income.
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Then it creates a disproportionate relationship where somebody owns more.
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And I can't feel a woman anymore because I just don't feel a woman next to the man who achieved or had less than I do.
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So you would feel more powerful because you have more money, even though you guys are together and that's your partner.
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And like I said, if he loses his money tomorrow, what am I going to do?
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Where he loses his money tomorrow is a different thing.
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I'm not talking that I'm going to leave him when he loses his money.
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I'm talking that I want to have somebody who is able to build his personality because that's going to be my son.
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That's going to be my daughter who can afford that example.
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And I just can't allow myself to just choose somebody who's going to sell the shirts on the street a whole day alive.
03:14:32.340
Well, I'd rather see my children see their father go from poor to see how hard they work.
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But I would not have learned how to get up and successful if I had not seen firsthand my dad doing it.
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And I saw my dad work insanely hard for what he has, for what I have now.
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I'd rather have my daughter, my son have that than have a father who's already very wealthy and very wealthy.
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There's a different dimension of being poor and rich and different starting points.
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You know, the sellers in Ukraine, the exchange rate was dollars in Ukrainian.
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Yeah, so I grew up the same way as you did, as I see my father expanding, and that's when I decided that I want to move to U.S.
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And, you know, I got the full scholarship at my university where they pay for everything, right?
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So that I cannot afford myself somebody who never worked to get anything in life as well.
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And that comes with results, because results are the only way you can assess where somebody is actually capable of achieving something.
03:16:08.420
All right, let's do some, let's get the rest of these Super Chats here.
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Gus, $10 Super Chat, chivalry is dead, women killed it.
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Y'all yell, I'm independent, don't need no man.
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Most men need to level up, but we are chivalrous, but nice guys finish last.
03:16:32.340
Yeah, I think I already touched on that, basically.
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We've all had the experience of doing the right thing, being the gentleman, paying for the date, doing the courting thing.
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And, you know, we'll wait, wait, and then that same girl goes and just, like, fuck some other dude.
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So you can continue being a man you want to be, but that has nothing to do with her.
03:16:55.300
Sure, okay, that's a good point, but, like, we are going to start adapting how we interact with women if we're realizing, like, men are problem solvers.
03:17:14.600
Okay, kind of like being a little cocky or being a bit of an asshole or a jerk or whatever, being, like, we're going to gravitate towards what works.
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Yes, because you're saying that's what works, average works.
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Well, I don't know if it's average because I think you have women that are basically chasing after the top 10 or 20% of men, so I don't know if it's really average, but, yeah.
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And what you also have is just men have been burned so badly when it comes to dating, they either just opt out, they're like, I'm done, or they're going to go fucking to Thailand, they're going to go to the Philippines, they're going to go to, you know,
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somewhere else, they're like, okay, Western women, I'm done, goodbye.
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And they're going to go live in the, you know, whatever, they're out.
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Okay, we got Gareth Pickford, thank you for the Australian $15, appreciate it, mate.
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Has this been, I can't do an Australian accent, fuck it.
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Has this been discussed, 45% of women will be single by 2030, according to global leader in financial services, Morgan Stanley Report.
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Most women do not realize the heartache and struggle to conceive later.
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Yeah, you know, I think the big thing is, is that in the past, the way most men made themselves attractive to women was by being a provider.
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But because that's no longer necessary, women are looking more towards other things in terms of, like, thinking of an attractive partner.
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And so a lot of guys are kind of getting, the way they used to be attractive was, hey, I'll be a provider, I'll have a job.
03:19:06.700
Well, now we've doubled the labor pool, and so it's, you can't really even support a family on one income.
03:19:14.380
And by the way, I just want to make something clear.
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I think it's, I think it's, women should certainly have, be able to work and have the right to pursue whatever they want, whether that's be a mother or stay at home or go out and work a career and be a boss, babe.
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And I think it's, obviously, I want more women researchers researching on cancer and these serious problems that need to be fixed.
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But there are some corresponding issues as far as what happens when you double the labor pool in an economy.
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There's going to be some corresponding societal issues.
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So, and part of that is you can no, you can no longer support a family on one income.
03:20:04.320
All right, we have Davon Jackson here with the $10 soup chat.
03:20:13.500
Asked the depressed autist if she's in the mood for some Mike Davis in her life.
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Her autistic boyfriend is the blind leading the blind big L.
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Other people I've seen, like, they don't understand how my brain works.
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Yo, we got Dinosaur D here with the $10 soup chat.
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Accept you made the bad decisions and going forward.
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Change your ways so you don't make the same mistakes again.
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I don't, I don't, I'm, I don't think it's an L. I'm not ashamed of my body count, so.
03:21:05.980
By the way, guys, before we wrap up here, we have a TTS.
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The problem with a high body count isn't an issue with you as a person.
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It's the fact that you tend to develop habits that aren't conducive to a lasting and fulfilling relationship.
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So, I mean, there, there's a few concerns with the whole body count thing.
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I mean, nobody even really knows how it even got that high.
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So, I don't think that it's any of their business.
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I mean, like, it's, it's none of their business, like, why it is that high.
03:21:58.200
Well, it's, the thing with body count, and a guy doesn't even necessarily need to know the number,
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but if you've had a lot, a lot of sexual partners, how does it, what does it say about the way you view relationships?
03:22:20.620
Well, if they're not going to listen or sit and, like, let me, if I, I don't even need, feel like I need to explain myself to them,
03:22:28.880
but sometimes I, people go through depressive episodes where they're numb.
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I, I don't think being depressed is a good justification.
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Sometimes you're numb, and you really, you just don't feel anything.
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I lost complete emotion, like, I went into a huge disassociative state, and the butterflies I have are covering my self-harm marks,
03:22:58.780
and instead of using, like, physical self-harm, I was using, like, sex as a way to cope with stuff,
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and, like, using it as a way to be, like, hey, like, you're not okay, like, using this, like, distracting myself.
03:23:08.280
I mean, the reasons, the reasons in which you engage in a behavior doesn't undo that you engaged in said behavior.
03:23:20.500
Right, but if you try to tell a guy that, well, I did this because I was just going through a tough time, tough, like.
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I would say, like, hey, this is, like, my body count.
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I also, I also feel like men care so much about body count, too, because once you guys get married, you guys become one.
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Just like a lot of women care about a man's income, he has the right to know about your body,
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because think about this, you fucked 50 dudes, none of them stuck with you, none of them put a ring on it, that says a lot.
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If you have more partners, you can get an STD, more likely to have an STD, so there's that.
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Okay, let me get through these super chats here.
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All right, we have Davon Jackson, $20 soup chat.
03:24:15.840
And this may not apply to Jade, but most women wouldn't ever give a man the benefit of the doubt if he doesn't meet her requirements.
03:24:22.040
Most wouldn't even get to know a dude if he just wasn't even tall enough.
03:24:28.420
What are we using as the basis of a high body count?
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I'm not a simp, but I've never cared about body count.
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So, would you be okay with dating a woman for long-term, serious relationship, marriage, the future mother of your children?
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You'd be okay if she slept with 200 guys before you, your number 201?
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Your past doesn't, you think your past doesn't matter?
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How you get to know them from that point on, I feel like is what matters the most.
03:25:28.180
Because I could give some examples, some like random examples about past not mattering.
03:25:34.140
Let's say you met a guy and he cheated on every single one of his last partners.
03:25:47.100
But does past behavior indicate potential future behavior?
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So, all the girls that he was with, he cheated on all of them.
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I mean, he could possibly cheat on you, but you wouldn't know until you get to know him.
03:26:08.880
He might not, but if you, if you're a betting woman, if you're a betting woman, because you can, you, I'm sure you have preferences, standards, and boundaries, right?
03:26:18.200
Would it be your preference to date someone who had not cheated on a previous partner?
03:26:23.120
I feel like, um, almost, um, almost all men cheat.
03:26:33.640
Some, some people in the red pill say, like, men are only as faithful as their options.
03:26:46.720
Oh, I mean, uh, I don't know if you've seen the movie The Matrix.
03:26:51.560
Okay, there's a scene where someone is offered a blue pill and a red pill.
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To, to take a red pill is to awaken to the, the truth.
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If you take the blue pill, you're just head in the sand.
03:27:11.520
Um, as somebody who's been, as somebody who's been depressed and literally has had, like, I don't even want to say it on here.
03:27:16.420
I know all about that and I've never been promiscuous.
03:27:19.440
But if you do that when you're depressed, how does he know that when you go through postpartum, you're not going to go and do that again or do it whenever you feel some type of way?
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He's only taking your word, but that's your past.
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I don't feel like you can say that that's how I cope every single time.
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That's why I'm using it as an example to use it back to you.
03:27:42.280
It's, it's what had happened when I, because when I was 26, my parents got divorced.
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Of course, literally my foundation, everything I believed in was rocked and I, I didn't know really what I believed in anymore.
03:27:56.320
I went through extreme depression and I, I didn't, I didn't really know who I was anymore.
03:28:03.160
So, and then I jumped into dating right away and those two combined were, it was a lot, it was a lot for me.
03:28:11.340
And I didn't know how to cope with it, but it's not how I would cope with things moving forward.
03:28:18.960
When you were like growing up and stuff, did your mom or parents ever tell you like not to be promiscuous or did they never tell you things like that?
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Or you just, you didn't know, you just did it because you did it.
03:28:29.320
You're supposed to save yourself for your husband.
03:28:33.500
So you're saying it's, it's different now, right?
03:28:35.740
So like, that's what, what I, I mean, I understand people go through different hard situations in life and you did what you did because you had your reasons, right?
03:28:44.760
Can you tell me what is your standard for a man?
03:28:54.280
So the bar has been set so low, but I, I, um, I just want somebody that like, ultimately I was thinking about this question.
03:29:03.320
I was like, ultimately, I think the main thing I want is somebody that will be there for me for whatever.
03:29:09.700
So like, if I am in trouble and I call them, I want them to be able to come to me.
03:29:24.400
I like tall guys that are brunette with beards.
03:29:38.020
No, I'm, uh, I like light eyes, but eye color doesn't really matter.
03:29:57.780
I have to work early in the morning and it's 11 o'clock.
03:30:03.460
Yo, we can't hear you if you're not talking to me.
03:30:16.680
We were trying, we were going to wrap up pretty soon, but if you got to go.
03:30:28.900
I mean, I was going to wrap up probably within about, try to get through the soup chats and wrap,
03:30:51.980
I mean, this whole chat has been a little more conservative than I'm used to.
03:30:56.180
Well, I, I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm conservative.
03:31:25.500
Um, you have to like, you have to type it in, in the soup chat thing, but all right.
03:31:33.320
Jade, you have the right to do what you want when dating.
03:31:35.540
All you have to realize is that your actions have consequences.
03:31:39.780
Don't talk about your past or just lower your standards.
03:31:44.920
Well, like he, I don't know who's that as Frankie's typically a male name.
03:31:56.500
Um, yeah, I, I think she should hire her standards and lower them.
03:32:03.540
We have, I'm not going to not talk about my past though, to whoever I'm going to be
03:32:08.280
I'm not going to be, I'm not going to hold back any of the truth.
03:32:12.960
I agree with that because some guys recommend to women who maybe do have a past, don't tell
03:32:19.040
And I think one, that's, you should be honest in relationships and not lie.
03:32:25.420
And if it comes out that you like, it's just bad, it's better to just be upfront with it.
03:32:30.940
If he doesn't, then it wasn't meant to be anyways.
03:32:38.820
They go when men are fed up of listening to their shit.
03:32:41.280
So they find another gold digging through a photo here.
03:32:51.980
Just because I like clap back for her, I do understand that not everybody takes therapy
03:32:56.580
Some women take therapy just to say, hey, you know what?
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I took it even though they're not doing the self-work.
03:33:01.680
And some women have been dogged out so much by men that they finally heal because nobody
03:33:09.480
I always tell my therapist, I'm like, I feel like I just complain to her, but I feel like
03:33:16.680
it helps me in the fact that I get it all out and I don't leak on like the people I
03:33:25.460
I think you should share that stuff with the people you love because that's why they're
03:33:29.340
I do, but you know, there's only so much someone can handle after you keep-
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50% of marriages end in divorce goes to 90 if she's college educated.
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Number one reason is finances, especially if she gets a pay raise, man slash women cheat
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Because women, we get approached so much and there's a lot of women.
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Women will be flirting with guys and their boyfriend went to the bathroom or something,
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or they'll go, oh, it doesn't count as cheating.
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If you're grabbing somebody else's hand, calling them cute names, pet names, you're
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I think women have more temptation because they have more options.
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Even when they're in a relationship, just, I mean-
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I think you should discuss was it cheating for both of you in the relationship to understand
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They also flirt with other girls, coworkers, assistants, and stuff like that.
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They talk about work husbands all the time, baby.
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It depends on what you define as in your relationship.
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We have Beat in Cheeks here with the big $50 soup chat here.
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I don't have social media and worth well over six figures.
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I like it when a girl doesn't have social media.
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It's not a deal breaker if she does, but it's like, oh, that's cool.
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How do the females feel about men going to South America for women that are submissive,
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feminine, peaceful, and healthy, a.k.a. not overweight, asking for a friend?
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Don't know much about the conflict, but after listening to Ukraine, I'm officially pro-Russia.
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Every woman I have dated, save for one, cheated on me.
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We'll pull that back up when we get to the super chat.
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You kind of cock-blocked Mike Davis' super chat, but so did you want to clap back?
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Well, he's supporting the terrorist country who is killing a lot of people right now.
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The fact that you feel the need to not date in 2023 and seek therapy, which I applaud,
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is literally direct proof that it's not healthy for your psyche to be a meat collector.
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That's why I asked for the basis that quantifies as high count.
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When meeting someone, you do ask questions, but it is not an interview.
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So body count takes the backstage to her personality.
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But if body count doesn't matter, if it's an astronomical number, certainly it shouldn't matter then, right?
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But, you know, from zero to 200, you know, as you start getting further and further along that, you start raising more and more eyebrows, I guess.
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I don't know if you guys can hear the music in the background.
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I don't know if we really got to his – he was asking what is a high body count in his previous super chat.
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I think it depends on the age of the girl, too, you know?
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Because if she's, like, 40 and has, like, 30 bodies, I mean, yeah.
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But if you're, like, 18, 19, your body count's real high.
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Like, if you can't count both hands, that's too much.
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I mean, we've had some 19-year-old girls on the show.
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She didn't want to say it, but, like, she said it on previous episodes.
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Guys, chat, should I – she's already said it, like, two times.
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I mean, look, people are going to move how they're going to move.
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Dude, you guys are killing with the soup chats.
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Every woman I've dated, save for one, cheated on me.
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Um, you're the common denominator in all of your relationships, so you might think
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Uh, I mean, when it comes to cheating, though, like –
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I see what she's talking about in a sense, because if you think about it, if your man
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is constantly asking you for sex, constantly, constantly, constantly, he cheats or whatever,
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So, when he cheats, it's kind of your fault now.
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It's more like you ignored something, both of you.
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But I wouldn't blame it solely on him, though, because at the end of the day, that is kind
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Thinking about it, cheating, like, you can internalize that and, you know, blame yourself
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and be all hurt about that, when in all reality, that's that person's wrongdoing.
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All they had to do is be loyal or let you know, hey, you know what, I don't want to
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But in the example you gave where the guy is cheating on the woman, it's usually typically
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guys that are up on their girl, and the girl's, like, not as –
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So the guy's, like – but it's interesting that – and I think there's, like, been some
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videos on this – that women push so hard for exclusivity and commitment, and when they
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get it, and the guy's, like, well, I can only have sex with you, but they're not meeting
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them in terms – like, they're not meeting their sexual needs, I guess, yeah, is it a
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I think if you're not happy with that situation, you should break up.
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I don't think you should cheat, but you do raise a good point.
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But in his case, though, he's getting cheated on by the women, so unless he's not –
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Like, once you see disrespect or promiscuous activity, just bounce.
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Guys, if you want to get your last-minute Super Chats in, get them in quick.
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We're going to wrap up here in a couple minutes.
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Is there something dating-related that you wanted to get off your chest?
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I just feel like I am going – or I'm taking this year to myself because I do know that
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I'm doing something wrong and I kind of just want to, like, heal and, like, like you said,
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get better standards and just to, like, really take the year to, you know, learn more about
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I don't – I don't – I don't ever expect it.
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Are you – did you just come to that realization tonight on the show?
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I wanted – I wanted it for probably – I deleted all my dating apps in, like, September.
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And that's when I kind of was like, okay, I think – I promise myself I will never, ever
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And I was like, okay, I think if I'm going to find somebody that I want to be there for
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me, like, how I – like, how I want, then, yeah, then I'm going to have to re – go
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And you haven't – you've been off the dating apps.
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Anything dating-related you want to get off your chest?
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This 2023 ladies, can we just, like, have higher standards?
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Like, love ourselves, respect ourselves, stop doing OF, stop opening up your legs to people,
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If you want reciprocated energy, you want a king, act like a queen, like, wholeheartedly
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so that that way us women who want love and all that, it can come back around because
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this hookup culture, it's destroying the world, dude.
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We're getting off of a Tuesday, Thursday schedule.
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We're going to be switching to Sunday, Tuesday, so we will be live this Sunday.
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Tay will – she's sticking around for a second show.
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Guys, the panel is going to be crazy on Sunday.
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We have some very interesting, spicy return people coming on the show, so Tay's going
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And, yeah, let me see – are we good on Super Chats, Eric?
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All right, guys, thank you for tuning in tonight.
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You could have been doing anything else, but you were here with me.
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Finally breaking even, so really appreciate it, guys.
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You guys – this was – I think this was one of my favorite panels, honestly.
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It was – I think – unfortunately, I would have liked to have, like, a girl that maybe
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And, guys, so we will be live Sunday, again, switching to a Sunday-Tuesday schedule, 7 p.m.
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And, yeah, be sure to tune in to the Sunday show, guys.