Dating Talk #47
Episode Stats
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5 hours and 9 minutes
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182.86996
Hate Speech Sentences
282
Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we celebrate the 1 year anniversary of the passing of Greg Plitt! We also introduce a new $20 tier for super chats and re-up your membership to become a channel member!
Transcript
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La donna è mobile, ha il piume al vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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Sempre un'amabile, legge addroviso, impianto in riso e menzognero.
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La donna è mobile, ha il piume al vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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La donna è mobile, ha il piume al vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California
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A few quick announcements before the show begins.
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Guys, can we get some RIPs in the chat for Greg Plitt?
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He passed away 2015, January 17th or something.
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We make pretty much nothing from ad revenue, so please consider sending a super chat.
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So first off, I really appreciate everyone who's supported, especially these past few months.
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So, however, due to the increased volume of super chats, I'll read all super chats $10 and up received during the first hour of the show.
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So, and also, Eric, if you pull it back up, you guys can also do custom amount as shown.
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Once again, $10 will be read and shown for the first hour of the show, but afterwards, we do have to bump it up to $20 just so we keep the show moving, guys.
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And, yeah, all super chats will be displayed in stream overlay.
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And something new that we have, 50 and up triggers text-to-speech.
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Guys, you can see all the triggers in the description.
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Big thank you to Mike Davis and Davon Jackson, who are our primary patrons in 2022.
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Guys, we also have channel memberships, Patreon merch.
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Well, we've been back for a few shows, but we've been gone for a month, so you guys need to re-up your membership to become a channel member.
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We have six different tiers of support, ton of perks.
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If you become a member or gift subs, we will shout you guys out.
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You can see all the super chat and membership gifting triggers in the description.
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If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to a Twitch account, and every month, you can sub totally free on Twitch.
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Lastly, guys, we have a second-to-last thing, guys.
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We have a Clips channel that's blowing up right now.
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If you don't have time for the full shows, check that out.
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We're on the road to some big milestones, 200K away from 4 million subs and 50 mil away from 1 billion total video views.
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If you want to be on the show or help with the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.
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Shoot us a DM or is looking for, you know, helpers and whatnot.
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If it wasn't for you and Mike Davis in 2022, like, you guys were our biggest patrons, so it really means a lot.
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Honestly, probably wouldn't have found the motivation to keep going because those first few months were pretty rough.
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Zach, Candice, Nemesis, Urameshi, and Michael Matroke IV.
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And Eric, you can still star the TTS chats also.
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Anyways, without further ado, after that obnoxiously long introduction, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So please tell us your name, age, occupation, and or school major.
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I currently work as a content creator, but previously I was in cyber security.
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And now I'm a cosplayer, and I was asked to wear a bunny suit here.
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So, you know, some others weren't asked about them.
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I don't ever give my, like, because of my presence, I don't give my year out.
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As in cyber security previously, years are tied to a lot of very sensitive information, and people already know my birth date, so giving out my year would be a risk for me.
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Wait, that's the reason you don't want to share your age?
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Why don't you tell us a two- to three-year range?
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Just safety precautions, and also, like, I have people who have stalked me, doxxed me.
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I'm not interested in more of that information coming out.
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I'm here to talk about my job, how I got into this.
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I'm here to share a lot of, like, aspects of my life that are very exciting and interesting.
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Like, I'm born on September 15th, but I'm not going to tell you the date, you know?
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But why would you share that instead of just the...
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Because then I can say, hey, it's my birthday, and people can celebrate with me.
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However, I don't have to share those four numbers that I've used in passwords and banking.
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But, I mean, in terms of your internet security, I mean, you're in your 20s, so that's only...
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If someone wanted to try to attempt to guess your age, that's only 10 guesses in terms of the year.
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So it could be 89, it could be 90, it could be 91.
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I think you're already out of the 20s with those years, but sure.
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Well, I'm giving examples, but it could be 94, 95, 96.
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Sure, sure, but I think it's a lot safer to not say it.
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I never have posted it anywhere, and nobody knows.
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Is it because you think that your OnlyFans patrons would...
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No, never, and that's the thing a lot of people in our industry do.
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Sorry, they'll be 19 for many years on their page.
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So that's another really great reason not to post it, is that I never have to misrepresent my age,
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never have to lie about it, but it also keeps me safe.
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And my primary reason was, okay, I've used this for banking shit before.
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Obviously, I've changed it since now, but, you know, it's just safer.
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You can dig into it more later, but maybe we should get to other people first.
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I suppose giving your full birth date would be a potential.
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Right, which they already have my September 15th birthday.
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But, I mean, don't you think being out there publicly on social media is a bigger risk than...
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Are you, like, trying to get your chat to dox me?
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Because I'd rather just talk about, like, you know, my career.
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I guess I'll tell you kind of my objection to it is, well, we had an OnlyFans panel previously,
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So, the reason I pushed back on it is because...
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I don't see how I can have a productive conversation with someone who so egregious...
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Not you, but who so egregiously misrepresents their age.
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Because how you date in your 20s is far different than how you would date, for example, when you're 55.
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And I assume they were doing it because they were pandering to their...
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But as a show of good faith, I will allow you to omit your age.
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And my real name, but not on the whatever podcast.
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I'll leave it at that, but I do ask that your other answers are...
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...are 100% forthcoming, and I'm going to have you swear on the Bible after this.
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Basically, I took my first Spanish class yesterday.
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Basically, I cannot speak a single word of Spanish.
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So you're going to be dropping that class pretty soon, is what you're saying?
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I am 26, and the only reason I can say that is because I lied about my birthday.
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So no one knows the actual date, and I'm also a content creator.
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And when you say content creator, you mean OnlyFans?
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I'm 18, and I go to UCSB, and I'm a communication major.
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Tilt the microphone down ever so slightly towards you.
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I'm sorry, I didn't have a third seat booster for you.
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I'm getting my master's in screenwriting, and I bartend to make a living.
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I'm 28, and I own a clothing and merchandise brand called Season Up.
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I'm a business owner, just all-around entrepreneur, YouTuber, and I actually own my own podcast
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Eric, can you push the door open a little bit so we get a little more air going through?
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By the way, I hope you didn't mind me really putting the heat on.
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Everyone's Instagrams are in the description, so show them some love.
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So, current relationship status, longest relationship, and your sexual orientation.
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I also don't disclose online, but since I'm here, I'll just say I'm super private about
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My longest relationship is a little bit over a year.
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I'm straight, and currently I'm talking to someone.
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It's going pretty well, so I'll probably end up in a relationship with them.
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Didn't really talk too much, and we hung out over winter break.
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My longest relationship was five years, and that is completely separate from her five-year
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So, just current relationship status, longest relationship in your orientation.
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Can you articulate a little better what talking around is?
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Like, you kind of just hook up with people, and then you talk to them for, like, a week
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And then you talk for a little bit, like, intimately, and then you're friends again.
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It's be friends with a dude, and then you're both, like, drunk at a party or whatever.
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One thing leads to another type situation, or...
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I mean, there have been times when, like, you get with them again.
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Like, probably my longest was, like, five times.
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I'll come back to that, but I'll have everyone else go ahead.
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My longest relationship was, like, three years on and off.
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My longest relationship was three and a half years.
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Scoot your microphone that way, and then tilt it down ever so slightly.
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My longest relationship is three and a half years.
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So, my longest relationship is three and a half years, and what was the other question?
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My longest relationship has got to be around eight months, and currently, single.
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Just single about a month or two ago, but when you realize it's not right, it's time to move on, you know?
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I knew a guy who would do three months and then change, if it wasn't right, every time.
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My last was actually around a month and a half, and after I realized that it was wrong, I got out of it.
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We're going to do a couple soup chats here, guys.
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How would you feel if woman, you always got the crazy formatting, Zora Slost.
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How would you feel if woman were called stupid, weak and short for wanting a man that's taller, more money, stronger, fit, ambitious, confident?
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Because that's how stupid you sound, calling a man insecure for our standards.
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He said, that's what I'm supposed to really feel.
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Hey, thank you, man, for the big Canadian $20 soup chat.
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Patrick Bateman, dude in the white blazer, I see you.
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Ladies, how do you feel about us men in the chat spending more on whatever than what a man would spend on a date with you?
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How do you know how much people are spending on a date?
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I don't want to throw out any numbers, but I'm pretty sure a man has spent more on me in a night than the $10 he just donated.
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Well, there might be more to come, you know, so don't count them out yet.
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Maybe if he continues donating, he can reach an amount that is higher, but not at the moment.
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You see, for me, I don't like spending a lot of money on the first date because that kind of sets a standard of what they're expecting.
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And I don't even know if I'm going to want to see you again.
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So why spend a bunch of money to prove that I'm a baller when I don't have to?
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I don't have to show you anything about my life if I don't want to.
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So do you do, when you go on a date with a girl, is it totally free?
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Like you'll go for a walk or go to the beach, do a picnic?
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Or like you'll do a meet for a drink or something cheap like tacos.
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In those instances, would you pay or are you going to go for the split?
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Most of the time, I think going for a drink is probably the best option.
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It's easier to break the ice when you get a few drinks in you and then the awkward tension is gone.
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I normally, I mean, the last one was probably around $120 for just a couple of drinks.
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I mean, I'm not spending more than that just for a couple of drinks, I can tell you that.
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Like you said, what if it doesn't go to a second date?
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Right, and you could take her to a nice dinner for that amount.
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Well, I was thinking about this a couple of weeks ago, and I think there's only been maybe one or two dates
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where I didn't get a second date or a third date.
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What's this no fourth date from Patrick Bateman?
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I've seen American Psycho, but what's the fourth date thing?
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Oh, no, it actually, there's no fourth date thing in the movie.
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If I leave, I have to make an excuse, and I say, I've got to go turn some videotapes.
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I'll spend more money on this broadcast than on any of our first dates, and I'm disease-free,
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successful, and the brown version of kid, but slightly less good-looking.
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Maybe brother from another mother, because, okay.
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By the way, we have Huey Lewis in the news here.
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We'll go around the table really quick, yes or no?
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Please tell me that's an American Psycho reference.
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I'd rather not get that high, but I like mimosas.
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And the last girl I actually took out, I was drinking mimosas.
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I want to say I'd rather get drinks than go on a first date with someone and have to sit
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Because I feel like dinner, you're just like stuck there.
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You never take a girl out to dinner on the first date.
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If you take a girl out to dinner on the first date, they're going to expect a second.
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Even if they don't want to see you for a second or a third date or a fourth date, they're
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Dinner, you're just there and you're locked in.
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And you can always cut off whenever you need to.
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And it's just the waiter comes and interrupts you.
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And then you have to look at the menu, but you also just meh.
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As far as food goes, too, it's just kind of awkward because if you're having the first
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date, there's kind of a if it gets silent, it can be a bit awkward.
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So, like, if you actually want to eat, I don't know about you guys.
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So it's just kind of like, yeah, no food dates.
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But Candace, by the way, thank you for re-upping your membership.
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And but since we're on the topic really quick of the food thing, so I want to go around
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For example, currently, I'm in a very good position and I always offer to split.
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However, when I was not doing so well, it would have meant a lot to me for the guy to
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So I will never be upset if the guy wants to split on the first date.
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It will never influence my opinion of him in any way.
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However, you know, it means a lot if he puts the effort in because it means he saw something
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in that date that really he wanted to invest in.
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Before I have you go, Flan Life, thank you for the 10 gifted memberships, man.
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StreamYard has to get it together so that we can actually pull up when someone gifts
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But dude, thank you for the big 10 gifted memberships there, man.
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If they want to offer to pay, you know, that's okay too.
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If you split the bill, you're not seeing him again.
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That's not how it's worked out for me in the past.
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But as a man, you should never split the check, especially on the first day.
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So, okay, you're talking about being a gentleman, correct?
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We're in Southern California, fairly liberal place, right?
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In order for you to be a gentleman, she has to be a lady.
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But just for me personally, as a matter of principle, I don't believe in paying for a girl on the first date.
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I don't believe it either, but here I am doing it.
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Well, no, but see, here's where you win, though, is because, see, this is my shitty hill to die on.
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But, as a man of principle, as a man of principle, well, I'm not saying you're not, but I just, I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles when most women are not adhering to their traditional gender roles.
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You know, I've said that before, but here's the thing.
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You're doing the maximum, you're doing what's right that will get you the best result.
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So, you mentioned, you were like, okay, well, ladies have to act like ladies.
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So, would you be more inclined to not split the bill if she presented herself as a lady or more ladylike?
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I mean, it depends on age, but like, and honestly, anything over 10, that's an eyebrow raise for me.
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But what about if she has a really low body count, but then she has an OnlyFans like me?
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But if she's doing solo content, I could, I could date a girl who does solo content.
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Cause I've never had any problems with guys being like, oh, you have an OF?
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I think because I don't do like boy girl or pornography or nudes or anything like that.
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I think there's a huge discrimination between, you know, just posting like lewd cosplay and
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then actually like doing like solo videos and stuff like that.
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I mean, you have like, like you said, there's tasteful lingerie photos all the way to gang
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It's really interesting too, as an OnlyFans creator, because you're classified as OnlyFans
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But you asked, would I pay on the date if she had a low body count, but she did OF?
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Or yeah, just posted provocative pictures online.
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She should probably pay for both of us, to be honest.
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In an ideal world, yeah, but they're still going to make their thousands and thousands
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And as a man, they're still going to expect you to pay.
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I expect, are us as men, like, okay, that's men adhering to their traditional gender roles.
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By the way, I want to say you're not wrong, but this is just me from my point of view.
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Are we then supposed to expect women to be virgins when we meet them?
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Well, tradition is out the window, so then why do I need to do the traditional courtship
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if you are no longer traditional, is what I'm getting at.
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It sets the baseline of what you accept in your life.
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And if they don't appreciate that, then you don't have to see them again.
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And also, you should get those vibes from somebody before you go on a date with them.
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So, if you don't start out by courting them, when do you?
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When do you, I don't know, when is there more courtship for you?
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Like, if you start off on a certain foot, do you think it's easier to be more romantic
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going forward, or would you rather not start off on a romantic foot?
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That's taking away the whole gesture of paying the bill.
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I'll start paying if we're in a relationship, and we're exclusive.
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See, at that point, I think if we're in a relationship, then you should be offering
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Because, I mean, you're in a partnership at that point.
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Whether it goes long-term, or whether it's short-term, why should I waste all my money
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on you if we don't even know what the outcome is going to be?
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I think it's less about traditional rules and more about if you want to take someone out
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and treat them, and you really like them, then you do it.
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I also think it goes with, like, if you're asking a girl on the date, and you just don't,
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like, I mean, I always offer, but if someone asks me on a date, and I offer, and we split
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So, you'll speak words that you don't mean, but you...
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No, I mean, I don't mind paying, but I will say it's a bit of a turnoff when they do split
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Because I have the money, and I'm willing to pay.
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See, I appreciate the offer, but I'm never going to let you pay.
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And see, like, to me, that's, like, bonus points.
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I go on a lot of dates, and not a lot of girls offer the pay.
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And if they're asking you out, as well, they're wanting to take you on a date, so, you know.
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We'll come back to that point, but just to address your thing.
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So, you said that you'll offer, but if they take you up on said offer...
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This is how men and women communicate differently.
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Men mean what they say with no ulterior motive.
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But you just said, I will offer, you'll make the gesture, but if someone takes you up on
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said gesture, you will feel negatively about that.
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I mean, just that instance, it doesn't mean that I will reject a second date, but I will
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say, like, if someone offers to pay it after I split it, I think, again, it's bonus points.
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But you shouldn't make the offer if you're going to feel negatively about it.
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I also think it's kind of a test of generosity, too.
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To see how much you want to invest in them, I guess.
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Like, it's a bonus if he's, like, going to be invested in this relationship.
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Well, I don't feel particularly generous where in 2022, when the dating meta is people
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are sleeping with multiple people at the same time, I don't really want to pay for a girl
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Most people have two, three things going on at the same time.
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The problem is most of the girls that you're seeing, all the other guys that they're seeing
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Do you want them for a night, or do you want them for a year, or do you want them for 20 years?
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And it also sounds like you don't trust your own judgment when it comes to the women that
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There are some very unassuming women that have multiple partners, and they might not
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There are some very unassuming, shy, quiet, reserved, demure women that are promiscuous.
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And you wouldn't know if you looked at them or met them.
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If you want a relationship, or if you just want to talk, or whatever.
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Even women who are seeking long-term relationships have some friends with benefits, some guy,
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There's always some guy in the picture for most women.
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I think that, unfortunately, that's just kind of the dating, like, zeitgeist right now.
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Because of Tinder and stuff, lots of guys are seeing multiple women as well.
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The top percent of men are seeing multiple women.
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I'll say that most of my dating experience comes from her.
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Most of my dating experience comes secondhand from Alex's stories.
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And we mostly interact with people within our industry.
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Which is YouTubers, SoundCloud rappers, and, you know, the bunch.
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So, it's like, all the guys have multiple girls, too.
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It made me so repulsed that I, like, don't go anywhere.
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You're getting us something a little bit confused.
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The top 10, top 20% of men that 80% of women are chasing, those men have three, four girls
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But you look at average men or the normal guy, he's dating 1% of the time, if he's lucky.
00:33:45.140
Whereas, average women can have multiple partners concurrently.
00:33:50.080
Are you saying that there is a large percentage of average women that have multiple partners
00:33:57.120
So, maybe we could do, like, a poll just out of the few women here.
00:34:01.840
Who are willing to disclose their relationship status because I know you don't want to.
00:34:07.320
So, when you're going on these dates with women, are you going one by one and you're
00:34:10.840
You're not hooking up with anyone else while going on dates?
00:34:14.160
I'm so busy that if I do go on a date with a girl that I actually, yes, I'm only seeing
00:34:26.220
You're expecting the woman that you're going on a date with to be the same way as you.
00:34:34.160
I don't have time for it because I'm incredibly busy.
00:34:37.820
If some guys are cool juggling with it, honestly, I don't want the headache.
00:34:48.340
It's just, it's too much hassle to be dealing with multiple women at the same time.
00:34:54.380
So, say you were going to ask a girl on a date.
00:34:56.660
Would you expect that girl, say she was seeing, just hooking up with someone prior to even
00:35:03.420
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but go ahead.
00:35:05.620
Say she was, you know, had a hookup buddy or she had somebody she was involved with prior
00:35:10.260
to going on a date with you and then you guys connect online or however you connect with
00:35:15.980
Are you expecting that she has dropped every single man before going on a first date with
00:35:19.340
When you say she's hooking up with someone, are you talking like that day?
00:35:22.740
Like the day we go on a date, she hooked up with a guy?
00:35:26.340
I'm saying just in general, say she has somebody that she occasionally hooks up with and then
00:35:31.900
Are you expecting her to drop whoever she is involved with previously before going on that
00:35:38.640
date with you and having a complete clean slate?
00:35:41.160
Well, here's the, I guess the complicated situation is she's not going to tell me.
00:35:47.460
No, okay, so you're saying in a scenario where I knew, like I knew that she had another
00:35:53.180
No, okay, say for example, you and I met online and you had no idea of who I'm involved with,
00:35:58.580
but I'm single, I'm single, but that doesn't disclose like maybe somebody I had in the past
00:36:03.820
that I hook up with once in a while, but I agree to go on a date with you.
00:36:07.800
Do you, in your mind, expect that I completely clean my slate of whoever I in the recent past
00:36:15.620
may have been involved with before going on a date with you first?
00:36:18.820
Well, first off, I would ask you, why are you occasionally hooking up with someone occasionally
00:36:26.820
No, I'm saying you don't know that information.
00:36:32.340
I mean, I'll try to answer it as simply as possible.
00:36:34.360
If I know before I even go on a date with a girl, if it somehow occurs to me or somehow
00:36:39.900
I find out or maybe it comes up organically in conversation, goodbye.
00:36:50.920
I don't want anything to do with a girl that's sleeping with someone else.
00:37:06.300
So you're saying, yes, you would like somebody who is completely uninvolved with anybody before
00:37:12.200
They practically have to be a virgin for that to happen.
00:37:21.480
I think I kind of get it because I'm a little bit the same way.
00:37:26.600
I'm really, really picky with who I date, and I won't sleep with someone unless I'm
00:37:39.260
And also, it's not necessarily them talking to someone else is a problem.
00:37:45.460
But if they're involved with someone else, it would give me the ick if I went to go on
00:37:51.260
a first date with them, and I know in the back of my mind that they're involved with
00:37:57.280
But I'm saying, like, unknowing that type of information, like, say, I don't know, say
00:38:02.320
you have a hookup buddy that you've been seeing and hooking up with for the last year, but you're
00:38:09.200
Say you don't just have sex with people that you're in love with.
00:38:15.520
Say you're hooking up with a guy, I'm going to say about a year, but you guys both are under
00:38:19.900
It's just something physical between the two of you.
00:38:21.860
You have a physical connection, but you don't have any romantic interests, so you're opening
00:38:25.700
up your romantic self up to going on dates or multiple dates or whatever.
00:38:31.000
But if, say, those dates don't work out, you still want to still hook up with the guy that
00:38:37.260
you've been seeing physically for the last year.
00:38:42.320
Like, what my question is, is like, from Brian's point of view, would he expect you to have
00:38:49.000
a complete clear slate just to go on a date with him?
00:38:53.100
Like, whether he knows that information or not.
00:38:54.820
See, everything, initially, unless you already meet out at night, at a nightclub, at a club,
00:39:00.800
at a bar, something, it's initially going to start off as a date, as an interaction.
00:39:05.080
You meet at a grocery store, and you're not going to expect somebody to have no other partners.
00:39:09.200
But, at the end of the day, I want it just as bad as maybe you want it, and you're not
00:39:15.700
going to tell me that, but that might be the only thing you offer.
00:39:20.600
That might be the only thing you can offer me, whether you tell me that or not, whether
00:39:25.740
I want it, and whether I'm going to wrap it up, if that's all you can offer me, that's
00:39:33.160
Like, and I don't have to take anything else if I think you're promiscuous.
00:39:39.020
Yeah, that's completely your choice, and I'm just asking out of curiosity for Brian's
00:39:45.340
So, just the question is, just so I make sure I answer it properly, the question is what?
00:39:57.540
But, my question is, so from my understanding, you obviously unknowingly or...
00:40:42.840
So, because I was trying to understand your point of view, and I can completely understand
00:40:47.060
where you're saying, like, I don't want to knowingly be with a woman that
00:40:50.440
is hooking up with somebody else or seeing other dudes while going on a date with me.
00:40:55.140
But I guess my question is, without knowing what this woman is involved with,
00:41:02.840
and you just found interest in her, whether it be conversation, first meeting, whatever,
00:41:06.980
are you expecting whoever she was previously involved with to meeting you to be cleared
00:41:17.760
I don't think, I mean, I don't think that people should be, maybe this is a radical idea,
00:41:24.680
I think people should date one person at a time.
00:41:26.780
So, I'm coming, if I'm going to be talking to a girl, if I'm going to be sleeping with
00:41:40.080
But what if you're a man that can do the same thing that a woman can?
00:41:47.540
What if you are a high-value man that has 10, 20 girls on the lineup?
00:42:05.880
So, the exact thing you're wanting to ask some girls you're not willing to give yourself?
00:42:11.800
He doesn't, he doesn't, he's not operating the same way I'm operating.
00:42:15.400
So, and don't get me wrong, I'm still looking out for a wife out here, but I'm being picky
00:42:26.280
Just, I'm moving a bit, I'm moving a bit differently.
00:42:30.140
So, I'm just still, still trying to parse what the question.
00:42:37.580
I guess, I'll just, I'll just, I have a new one for him.
00:42:44.740
So, I'm just gonna, if I somehow find out that she's seeing another guy, she's dating
00:42:54.980
a whole bunch of other guys, she's sleeping with another guy, if I find that out, I'm done.
00:43:03.320
I don't want to have sex with you, I don't want to kiss you, I don't want anything.
00:43:27.320
Okay, I have another question then, in regards to this question.
00:43:29.780
Okay, so say, say she was hooking up with somebody before going on a date with you.
00:43:34.580
So, not, I'm not the same day, just in general.
00:43:38.440
She realizes, oh my gosh, Brian is the love of my life.
00:43:42.900
But then you find out she had a roster prior to you.
00:43:55.080
I said the idea of you finding out after she drops her roster after you guys' first date
00:44:04.480
But I had people that I was seeing and hooking up with and going on dates with prior to Brian.
00:44:09.180
Would you still be uninterested after finding out there were people prior to your first date?
00:44:18.580
If we slept together and I find out that she had slept with someone close to when we had slept together
00:44:43.140
But even then, like, I want to say it would be nice if it was a couple months since the last time you had sex.
00:44:58.100
No, my question now is, okay, so how long do you usually wait before having sex with a girl that you go on a date with?
00:45:07.000
Or how long do you, yeah, like, do you fuck on the first date?
00:45:10.600
Do you usually like to wait a bit and feel the girl out?
00:45:21.780
So of the women I've had long-term relationships with, I've had a five-year relationship, I've had a two-year relationship,
00:45:28.140
I've had a one-year, one-and-a-half-year relationship, we hooked up relatively soon.
00:45:35.000
I'd say on either the second or third time meeting.
00:45:38.260
I think one of them might have been the first time.
00:45:43.020
But you can sleep with someone relatively quickly and not have a high body count and not be promiscuous.
00:45:52.680
See, my actual longest relationship, the eighth-month one, we hooked up on the second night.
00:45:58.460
But I will hook up on the first night, depends on the situation.
00:46:02.380
Like I said, I don't know if I'm going to want to see you again, depends, just depends, honestly.
00:46:07.500
So now for the guys, does sleeping with a girl on the first or second date deter your feelings for her?
00:46:18.300
And just because they sleep with you on the first date, technically doesn't mean they're doing the same thing with every other guy.
00:46:24.300
And there will be girls that make you wait four dates, five dates, six dates, seven dates, and they've got body counts.
00:46:43.800
You can't change, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife?
00:46:58.920
You can't change your past, but we can change our future.
00:47:01.280
I feel like men should care about women's futures much more.
00:47:05.780
Because the woman is going to be the mother of your children if you want kids.
00:47:10.200
She's going to be like holding down your household.
00:47:14.880
I was going to say like if you go on a date and like you really like really vibing with
00:47:19.320
this person, would you just like drop them if they told you that their body count was
00:47:46.840
Let's say like 25 and they're 25 years old and they have a body count of like what's
00:48:00.600
There was a girl the other day that was like a virgin until she was 27, right?
00:48:04.680
And then by the time she was 30, she had 30 bodies.
00:48:27.600
Uh, it's hard to, it's kind of hard to put a number to it, but yeah, if she has a large
00:48:49.380
Wait, what was the, what's that face you're making?
00:49:26.020
Yo, Davon Jackson, thank you for the $50 soup chat.
00:49:29.560
Oh, this was one of the TTSs that came through.
00:49:36.520
Yo, Alexander Nouveau, thank you for the $10 soup chat.
00:49:41.060
I'm trying to pull up to SB and be on the panel.
00:49:50.340
Flann Life, thank you for the Canadian $10, man.
00:49:55.520
Dune the White, are you still mad you were never able to get a reservation at Dorsia?
00:49:59.620
We're never going to get away from these references.
00:50:06.380
All right, we got Bean Cheeks here with the $10 soup chat.
00:50:23.080
And then I consulted with my former, you know, partner, sent my cybersecurity firm.
00:50:28.880
And they were like, hey, just don't give any other important information out.
00:50:38.560
Yo, Bean Cheeks, thank you for the $20 soup chat.
00:50:40.360
Damn, if a cybersecurity person can do OnlyFans, I have hope for myself.
00:50:47.420
Get out of that programmer dungeon and into LA, baby.
00:51:17.900
When's the last time you hooked up with one of your friends?
00:51:25.920
Wait, like last time I had sex with one of my friends?
00:51:31.920
So I'm saying, I'm saying hook up as in brief terms.
00:51:50.660
Like, can you imagine if I'm like going through my entire guy friends and I'm having sex with
00:51:57.100
How many Europeans say making out is hooking up?
00:52:23.600
I feel like it's like so intimate to do with like my friends.
00:52:26.720
Like maybe if I got there in the level like later, if I was like talking to them, whatever.
00:52:31.200
But like, I feel like it's weird to have sex with your friends.
00:52:39.060
Like I'm really not going around like having sex with all these people.
00:52:51.360
I want to come back really quickly to something you said.
00:53:30.740
Like communication being important because you're quite literally not like communicating.
00:53:39.420
Just because you get a turn off doesn't mean you're not communicating.
00:53:46.920
But that would be frustrating for me if someone offered to do something and I took.
00:53:51.480
I took them up on it in good faith and then they were ups.
00:53:57.700
They were upset or I got negative brownie points because I accepted their offer.
00:54:05.100
I'd rather just you not even offer to be honest.
00:54:11.000
Well, the polite thing would be to mean what you say.
00:54:13.100
And if you say that you're OK, like you're offering a split, if someone takes you up
00:54:20.100
It is bullshit to take brownie points away if they do say, yeah, we can split it.
00:54:27.060
But I do appreciate the offer, but I won't let you do it.
00:54:31.240
But if we do split it for whatever reason, I know you're going to take the points away.
00:54:36.880
Well, no, because you said that you wouldn't ever do it on a first date.
00:54:40.000
Like if we're dating, yeah, like I'm splitting the bill, like, but I'm saying the first date
00:54:47.200
You just can't expect a second date if you do that.
00:54:52.080
You got a 50-50 chance of getting that second date for that 50-50 bill.
00:54:57.600
I think there's never going to be like a set medium between people.
00:55:03.500
Like some people prefer to, like, break the traditions and, like, go for half and half,
00:55:09.720
But then there's obviously, like, people who prefer, like, the traditional role of men paying
00:55:18.640
I think it just goes back to who's asking who out.
00:55:23.720
And I'm not saying you're not okay with paying.
00:55:29.340
So if they were communicating right, they want to take you out.
00:55:32.280
So I also think that dating in general is an investment, not only financially but emotionally
00:55:38.120
So I feel like if you're not in a place for all three, not saying that you're going to
00:55:41.380
be doing it the whole time, but if you're asking someone out with the intention of investing
00:55:47.080
in them, whether it be mentally, romantically, emotionally, or all of the above.
00:55:51.880
What if that's the only reason you asked the man on a date?
00:55:56.580
All investments considered under the same umbrella.
00:55:58.600
That's so interesting, though, because if you are only interested in the physical, right?
00:56:06.620
So in this scenario, you're only interested in the physical, right?
00:56:09.420
And you say you always pay through your dates, right?
00:56:14.700
I'm just going to come in here just to move things along.
00:56:16.680
So just to kind of, you mentioned who should pay, whoever, sorry, whoever asks should
00:56:32.680
Splitting the bill is fine, but if they want to pay, it's a nice gesture.
00:56:40.460
I mean, if I offer to split the bill, they say, yeah, let's split it.
00:56:46.320
But it is nice when someone wants to take care of you, wants to take you out.
00:56:51.720
So regardless of whoever asks, you should just, your stance is whoever, it should be split.
00:57:11.180
The more polite thing is like, if you ask me on a date, it would be more polite for you
00:57:15.160
to pay for it, but I'm still going to offer and I'm still down to split that cost.
00:57:20.280
But I do, like, if I ask someone out, I'm going to pay for it.
00:57:26.360
Like, if I slide into someone's DMs and I'm like, yeah, I want to go to dinner, I'm not
00:57:29.980
going to expect them to pay and I'm not going to, like, try to 50-50 it.
00:57:40.220
I mean, you know where I stand, but I think we're all agreeing.
00:57:43.360
We're all like, we would split, but it is nice if they pay.
00:57:55.380
I think rather than taking brownie points away if they don't pay, they get brownie points
00:58:01.040
It's literally a cup half full versus empty situation.
00:58:11.780
I mean, I'd probably be less inclined to want to split with somebody that I was on a horrible
00:58:21.220
date with or somebody that was disrespectful or didn't treat me well.
00:58:36.000
Like, I have paid for dates and I have had dates paid for.
00:58:40.380
It just, like I said, it depends on the connection of my opinion.
00:58:45.040
See, I am just too much of a gentleman and I pride myself on that.
00:58:48.300
I grew up always being a fan of the James Bond movies and the James Bond lifestyle.
00:58:56.600
I'm 27 now and I've always wanted to be in a stage in my life where I wear a suit because
00:59:03.680
So being a gentleman is, is part of, I believe in male, in gender roles.
00:59:09.520
So picking up the first bill, opening the car door, stuff you should do.
00:59:15.680
If you want to court a woman, a high value woman, this is what you do.
00:59:23.260
So a couple of you guys said whoever asks should, should pay, right?
00:59:32.420
So I'm going to ask, have you ever asked a guy out on a date?
00:59:47.100
But you earlier, you said that whoever asked should pay.
01:00:05.820
I feel like most, how, how most interactions go in college.
01:00:09.740
It's like me to the party, come over, blah, blah, blah.
01:00:36.420
So why do women defend promiscuity with their life when you know it's wrong?
01:00:57.180
I want to be perceived as slightly promiscuous on my, I want to be perceived as slightly more
01:01:07.400
promiscuous than I am because I naturally am not at all on my social media because it
01:01:13.140
increases the money that I make month by month.
01:01:17.780
And, but I have very strong boundaries where I'm like, I can't do this because it makes
01:01:23.920
I could never like actually film myself like, can we say that, masturbating or anything like
01:01:30.040
that because it's more like personal and stuff.
01:01:32.320
So I feel like I want to be more promiscuous because I think it would make me money.
01:01:37.140
I should learn how to be more promiscuous, but at the current moment, I'm not.
01:01:42.300
Wait, just curious for the two that are content creators, are you guys okay disclosing how much
01:01:48.160
you guys make from OF or your content creation total?
01:02:13.280
Um, I mean, I'm not going to be like sleeping around, but I do think it's important to
01:02:20.580
Like I'm going to talk about it on the internet.
01:02:22.400
I'm going to talk to my friends about it, but I'm not like fucking everyone.
01:02:28.140
Let's just like to have fun, but not in like a, like too much, you know?
01:02:33.200
Um, was the question to be, wait, was the question to be asked, was asked, um, was the
01:02:42.600
question asked, um, do you want to be perceived as promiscuous or do you want to be promiscuous?
01:02:57.740
Beat in cheeks with the $10 soup chat cyber girl.
01:02:59.540
Why would you leave the cyber security world where it is extremely profitable, less demeaning
01:03:05.500
and very respectable for OF that is the complete opposite and shameful to your hubby prospects.
01:03:14.920
So basically I was making a fraction of what I make at my cybersecurity job.
01:03:24.040
Alex is a witness to this and constantly complaining about how I was working overtime.
01:03:35.640
And then I started doing content creation first, not lewd, just doing cosplays and stuff.
01:03:43.280
Started making three times what I was making monthly at my cybersecurity job.
01:03:47.280
But I kept that job for six months until I had a solid savings that could get me through
01:03:53.860
And then I switched to fully doing OF and then my income just took off.
01:03:59.480
I started making 10, sometimes 15 times more than what I was making there.
01:04:13.820
I'll spend more money on this podcast than on any OF or first dates.
01:04:28.420
Are you concerned about how a man might feel about your current hustle?
01:04:32.040
And are you looking for anything serious right now?
01:04:35.080
Or are you going to wait until after you hit the wall?
01:04:39.980
Um, yeah, so I am always super open about what I do for work.
01:04:44.720
I'm not going to, like, hide that just because I know that it is a deal breaker for a lot
01:04:50.480
I have been, like, my five-year relationship, he knew what I did and it made him super uncomfortable.
01:04:56.820
And so I ended the relationship because it's just in the same way that I wouldn't tell someone,
01:05:02.620
like, if they have a travel job that they need to get rid of that because I don't like
01:05:06.980
Like, someone's not going to tell me and have me follow through with limiting my job
01:05:18.360
But I feel like if someone's going to judge me for my content creation, especially as a
01:05:22.780
lewd creator, like, that's silly and that's not someone I want to associate with.
01:05:29.180
I immediately disclose that I'm a content creator.
01:05:31.700
And I've only had people show interest in helping shoot for me.
01:05:38.660
I think that it helps, honestly, if I'm being very, very honest, that I don't do full nudity
01:05:46.160
I think that makes the men I date more comfortable with it.
01:05:49.280
And I think it also helps that I haven't dated a lot of people and that I am, in general,
01:05:56.540
So, like, they, I think, sense my awkwardness and realize that it's just a way to make money
01:06:07.400
By the way, Eric, just a reminder, 20 and up, guys.
01:06:10.360
Guys, we're going to, for all the Super Chats, 20 and up from here on out, just so we keep
01:06:16.220
Thank you to everybody who Super Chatted, 20 and up from here on out.
01:06:20.460
Okay, so we have, let's see, Bernito Sandriguez with the $10 Super Chat.
01:06:26.460
I'm requesting for $10 that my man dresses a chatroom avatar, stops wearing sunglasses
01:06:35.100
Can we see, can we at least give them a little preview of the, uh, the baby blues, or?
01:06:43.500
I was, I was signed to the two of the three top model agencies in the world for a reason.
01:06:54.220
I don't, I'm not familiar with the modeling word, but.
01:06:59.120
Yeah, we have, uh, Flan Live, thanks for the Canadian $10 man.
01:07:01.840
Brian always has the Huey Lewis and the News CD on deck.
01:07:05.100
Yo, Zorsalas, thank you for the $10 Super Chat.
01:07:10.720
Take them on a really cheap date until they earn your chivalry.
01:07:14.060
Why is it back to talk about, why is it bad to talk about the truth in California?
01:07:24.060
If she doesn't help on the first date, she doesn't get a rezo at Dorsia.
01:07:37.120
Most men complaining about getting women and most women, wait, hold on.
01:07:42.400
Most men complain about getting women and most women complain about keeping men around and
01:07:50.960
Thank you for the, uh, I think this is the first time I've seen you in the chat, man.
01:08:04.200
Um, most men struggle to get women and I think a lot of women struggle to keep men.
01:08:11.740
She's basically asking if you would expect your potential girlfriend to cut off her roster
01:08:16.440
Yes, he literally just said he tends to talk to one girl at a time himself.
01:08:25.000
Why the F would you expect a man to be okay that you have a fuck, whatever, I'll just
01:08:28.720
say fuck buddy since you have been, you've been fucking them for a long time?
01:08:37.500
I don't know if, I think this is directed at you.
01:08:41.500
Well, this was, uh, this was, there, it's unknowing.
01:08:45.840
It's some, it's a piece of information that he wouldn't know.
01:08:49.100
I'm just saying unknowingly would he expect you to basically not be seeing anyone for
01:08:54.980
months before going on a first date with him, was my question.
01:09:07.900
They say they don't want the player, but that's who the, they hook up with and with, and that's
01:09:12.700
most of their exes, then they make the nice guy deal with the baggage.
01:09:17.540
After being ran through, your past body count matters to man.
01:09:26.060
But that's who they hook up with and that's most of their exes.
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Basically, uh, you know, you're spending your twenties hooking up with a bunch of dudes,
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Then you're going to make your husband has, you're going to make your husband miserable
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because fucking trauma from 20, 10 years of getting ran through and then settled down
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Then divorce him five years later, take half a shit and then he'll probably, uh, delete
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Women can't change their body count like men can't change their height or hairline.
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Well, yeah, but that, I mean, that requires surgery and.
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Tristan Tate just got a hair transplant, funny enough.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, really quick on the body count thing to address this Super Chat.
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Do you guys think, just quick yes or no, do you guys think body count should matter?
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Do you take issue, would you take issue with a guy caring about body count?
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Uh, I would only care if his body count was really high and he was somehow upset about my meager shit.
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But, like, if I had a high body count, um, I would take issue with him being upset if he also had a high body count.
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However, if he was coming at me with a low, normal body count and I had a high body count, I could understand him not being as interested in me because he feels I have way more experience.
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Right, see, you guys think that it's okay for guys to have a high body count?
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Because for men to get a woman, it's a challenge.
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The men who have the highest body counts are the most valuable, high value men.
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So they are more capable of getting women than other men.
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And that makes them on the same playing field as the women.
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So it kind of comes down to this supposed, supposed alleged double standard.
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An average woman has the equivalent, let's say, negotiating power or the equivalent pull as a famous male.
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As a male, to have the same pull with women that women have, that an average woman has with men, you must be famous.
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You could sleep with a new guy every single, every single day of the week if you were so inclined.
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Although I wouldn't say you're average looking, but I mean, an average woman, even a woman less attractive than you, could sleep with a new guy every single day of the week.
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In order to pull that off as a guy, you have to.
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People can make those choices, but I wouldn't say most people are, men or women.
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But whether they're acting on it or not, Eric, by the way, can you open the door, please?
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Whether they're acting on it or not, it doesn't matter.
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Tell you what, if it is a real word, you have to, I don't know, if it is a real word, you have to do a fit check.
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The potentiality of the fit check has been fantastic.
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What I want to know is why a man is going to be so concerned about a body count or decisions that a woman made prior to knowing him.
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Because there's so many factors that could go into that.
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There could be childhood trauma, sexual trauma, so on and so on, that triggers promiscuity.
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I'm not saying it needs to undo, but why should that matter to decisions that you made prior to knowing somebody?
01:14:35.100
If you rob a liquor store at gunpoint, if you did it because you had childhood trauma, it doesn't undo the fact that you have just committed a felony and you're about to spend a lot of time in prison.
01:14:53.140
Right, but if you serve your time, you do your therapy, you get free of shit.
01:14:59.340
No, yeah, because your example is a bit stretched because we're talking about decisions made in the past.
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So, say you meet a woman that served time for whatever crime that she did.
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She served the time, she's out, she's working, I don't know, a phenomenal job, she makes great money, she has a whole life ahead of her.
01:15:18.640
Something that happened potentially when she was 18 or 19 does not reflect her success as a 20, 30-year-old woman.
01:15:25.440
Well, let's just use this example, your future jobs are going to see that and they're going to take that into consideration if they want to hire you.
01:15:35.080
I do have friends that have done time that are currently working six-figure jobs and up with criminal records.
01:15:40.660
Well, they're still taking it into consideration.
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What I would, I mean, well, there's plenty of scenarios where, in this situation, where having a criminal record is going to, can have some negative ramifications.
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The comparison I would make is, can you still be successful if you have an extensive criminal record and make a lot of money?
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Is it probably going to bar you for life from certain type of jobs?
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And correspondingly, if we kind of make the connection here, being promiscuous in your past may very well prevent you from a high-value guy taking you seriously for a long-term commitment and wifing you.
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If you had a promiscuous past, a lot of men are going to look at that and say, I'm not going to take the risk.
01:16:37.940
So you're correlating past promiscuity with gold digging?
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They've actually done, there's been multiple studies on this.
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The more premarital sexual partners that you've had, the higher likelihood of divorce, the higher likelihood of infidelity, and the greater likelihood of reporting relationship and marriage dissatisfaction.
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From just the woman's side or from a man's side too?
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So for both men and women, the more premarital sexual partners you've had, it's a greater indicator for divorce, but it's more pronounced in women.
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I think it was something like past three bodies, it drops.
01:17:26.760
I think it's after six, that's when it's like a pretty major thing.
01:17:31.480
But okay, let's talk about, you know, how you can change.
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Let's say you found out you're interested in starting to date a guy.
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You somehow find out, maybe he admits it, maybe you hear through the grapevine, that every single ex he had, he cheated on them.
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I don't know, if I heard about a girl and she cheated on every single one of her exes, she might not do it with me.
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She might not, but I'm not going to take that risk.
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Okay, this is where I can understand what you're saying and that's a great point.
01:18:10.480
However, I would like to also say, so for example, the difference in making decisions like that when you're in a relationship as opposed to when you're single,
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I think that that is also something to factor in.
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When you are single, you have the freedom to hook up with or date around or sleep with whoever you want.
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Maybe you have a really crappy dating history and you, I know a girl that falls very fast for guys and she sleeps with them fairly quickly and most of them don't work out,
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Her body, I don't know her exact number anymore, but when her and I were friends, at that point, it was,
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But she also, you know, she, prior to her having a large body count, she was in a long-term relationship
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and she was engaged and she ended the engagement because she realized that's not somebody she wanted to be with for the rest of her life.
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That was prior to her ever having a large body count.
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That was, I think, her first five in her body count from what she told me.
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So, she went from being engaged with five bodies to 70 plus?
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And how has her struggle for finding a new potential husband been going?
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She's now in a committed relationship over the past few years.
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But, see, that's the thing is the exception doesn't make the rule.
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Just because she got lucky and found somebody that she's happy with.
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I mean, maybe to you, but it's a case-by-case basis, in my opinion.
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This is the problem with dating and stereotypes and statistics is we're going off of, well, 70% of men this and 30% of women that.
01:20:15.100
It's like the same thing if it's like you're taking your past hurt and trauma into every new date and relationships.
01:20:19.800
You're never going to find somebody successfully if you're bringing this past hurt with you.
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Well, let me just say one thing in defense of Cade here.
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There's no luck involved in Cade's romantic pursuits.
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I know I was going around the table on one question.
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I don't know if it was like the who pays or I think we'd moved on to something else.
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Something about being, do you want to be promiscuous?
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Yo, Davon Jackson, thank you for the 20 less Super Chat.
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These girls trying to defend being a 304 so bad has me.
01:21:08.680
That girl, Jade, from the other show being newly celibate in therapy is why guys avoid girls with a promiscuous past.
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Her trajectory there from 26 to virgin to major trauma, 30 body count or something, 20, 30.
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Does Andrew Tate being convicted as a, Jesus Christ, everything he's ever said?
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Two of the victims have come forward and said, we were in a business relationship with him.
01:22:07.080
We were not romantically engaged, but we were engaged in business with him, doing OnlyFans.
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And the funny thing about that is, two of the women that they're wanting to use on the Romanian television have actually came forth and said, we are not victims.
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If you ask your friends, let's go to X, thank you, man, are you expected to pay for them?
01:22:48.220
Saying let's go out doesn't mean you're expected to pay.
01:22:51.000
Yeah, this is actually a really good point because you think about it like with your friends.
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Like, let's say one of your girlfriends was like, hey, listen, would you like to go?
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A couple of, let's say one of your girlfriends says, hey, would you like to go on a trip with me to Hawaii?
01:23:05.300
If she asks you that, are you expecting her to pay for your flight and pay for everything?
01:23:11.260
Yeah, I feel like if I do did that, I wouldn't expect him to pay for my flight and everything either.
01:23:15.740
Yeah, but also dates and friendship dates are not a romantic pursuit.
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Lies and politics, thank you for the $20 soup chat.
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Sex should only happen for the purposes of procreation within the context of marriage.
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Return to the one true holy apostolic church and repent of your wicked ways before it's too late.
01:23:55.960
He's bringing up my Catholic school trauma right now.
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See, here's the thing about that, and I have a friend, a very good friend who's 27 and a virgin, and she's very attractive.
01:24:13.400
But the thing is, I just, I, I, I, I, she's very admirable, and I respect her a lot, but I don't think it's wise to buy a car without test driving it.
01:24:23.620
You might have zero sexual chemistry with somebody.
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You could be, you have amazing personal chemistry.
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Marriage rates, birth rates, lower than ever in history.
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Divorce, antidepressants slash anxiety meds higher than ever before in history.
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Sex can be for fun, bonding, recreation-like, but I do think people should try to err less so on having sex casually
01:25:16.840
and try to not rack up a high body count and try to keep your body count low.
01:25:23.920
And actually, if you're going to have sex with someone, want to pursue a relationship with them.
01:25:37.320
What does it take for a 5'5 guy to be attractive?
01:25:51.980
So, what's your height and do you have a height requirement?
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I'm 5'6 and I've dated somebody who is an inch and a half shorter than me and it wasn't really a problem.
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I've dated someone who's 5'8 and that's probably the requirement, bare minimum.
01:26:17.400
I'm 5'7 and I honestly don't care about height as long as they don't make it their entire personality that they're either like really tall or really short because that's like the weird confidence thing where it's like that's just a weird issue that they have and it's not going to go away.
01:26:31.740
So, I'm 4'11 and I will say like 5'7 and a half to 5'8.
01:26:41.220
I will give myself maybe like worth 11 and a half, you know.
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I wear a lot of platform, so I'll give them that.
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Yes, the shortest I've ever dated was 5'7, but I'd probably say anywhere between 5'7 and 5'8 would be the shortest.
01:27:50.660
See, I actually like the taller women because if I'm going to date you seriously and take you into consideration long term, I'm thinking about my children in the future.
01:28:05.980
So, between 5'7, 5'10, 5'11, I've had X's that are 6'2.
01:28:11.640
So, as long as they're shorter than me, I mean, you don't have to be, but I prefer it.
01:28:17.240
Yeah, honestly, if her height doesn't start with 4, she ain't the one.
01:28:29.220
Yeah, we got, I mean, I don't really care, honestly.
01:28:34.120
But do I have a slight preference for, like, short girls?
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So, it's not like, for some women, it's like, must be this tall, or definitely won't date
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Research has shown impaired pair bonding potentiality 1 equals 50%, 2 equals 0.25%, 3 equals 12.5%,
01:29:37.680
I mean, the other thing, too, is just if your body counts high, you've had a lot of previous
01:29:42.280
You've kind of detached sex from intimacy, and you're going to have a much harder time pair
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If you've had 50 prior partners, your pair bonding ability is frazzled.
01:29:56.380
So interesting, because Japan's having the exact opposite problem.
01:30:00.360
People aren't fucking there, and nobody's getting married there or having kids either.
01:30:05.120
So it's really kind of an interesting dichotomy.
01:30:09.220
Well, I'm not particularly well read on the happenings in the Japanese dating marketplace.
01:30:18.280
But basically, they're having a lot of problems with people not getting married, having kids.
01:30:24.220
They're trying to have more children and stuff because of that.
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I mean, if you didn't hate me, I'd say that you have some nice literary speech in there.
01:31:00.380
But I think that I was joking a little bit when I said Catholic trauma.
01:31:05.140
I didn't have a bad experience at Catholic school, but I grew up very modest, and it did
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kind of push me in the direction of wanting to explore my sexuality when I grew up.
01:31:15.240
So now that I have an OF, I don't feel that I've lost my dignity or respect or future prospects.
01:31:23.480
If anything, I feel I have a lot more opportunities lined up because of it and, you know, like a
01:31:29.320
house and stuff that I would never be able to get without it.
01:31:38.360
Guys, thank you so much for all the soup chats.
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I'm going to try to get to all of them right now.
01:31:52.080
Easy to maintain by being healthy, virgin slash low body count, and you'll get a good average
01:32:00.940
Actually, this does kind of bring us back to the conversation we're having about the double
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I don't know if we really wrapped that up in that you were, you were complaining or not
01:32:10.220
You were saying how, oh, you were saying how if a guy has a high body count, he shouldn't
01:32:20.900
And we were sort of talking about, well, there is a bit of a difference between men and women
01:32:26.960
And I think that's commonly, you know, it goes, the way it's usually viewed is women are viewed
01:32:41.980
And men are kind of like, congrats, you're a champ, you're a legend, whatever.
01:32:46.720
And also, since the beginning of civilization, women have been frowned upon for being promiscuous.
01:32:54.580
I mean, even in biblical times, I think they get stoned.
01:32:58.120
And so, since the dawn of history being recorded, women were supposed to have one partner.
01:33:10.640
Well, the kings back then had way more than one.
01:33:13.600
But I'm talking, okay, like in Western society.
01:33:24.200
Oh, are you looking back like caveman days and shit?
01:33:26.600
No, only the couple past couple hundred years have we really decided a monogamy is the way to go.
01:33:34.900
I mean, Christianity's been around for over 2,000 years.
01:33:45.760
But still, regardless of monogamy or polygamy, the man who could get the women was still respected.
01:33:56.260
Okay, so you're talking like kings and sultans.
01:34:00.800
Yeah, but the kings, every king had handmaidens.
01:34:25.540
So, yo, Shane M, thank you for the $20 soup chat.
01:34:27.120
The fact is all men want girls that not just any men can have, but average men have enough
01:34:31.940
trouble finding women and can't force that preference.
01:34:35.680
High-value men can because 50% of all of women are all going out for the top 20% of all men.
01:34:43.320
I love these stats we're all just pulling out of our mouths.
01:34:45.940
And the funny thing is, 20% of all men, is it 20% of men have 80% of the women or 100% of the women?
01:34:51.920
I think it's something along the lines of, and obviously these probably are not exact numbers,
01:34:56.380
but 80% of women are chasing after the top 10, top 20% of men.
01:35:02.300
We do have a video on this, and we have some stats that we can pull up too.
01:35:06.920
But, Eric, why don't you pull up a video that's semi-related to this, that can kind of articulate what's going on.
01:35:23.640
Well, it seems a lot of the women's liberation movement of late, the sexual liberation that you spoke about,
01:35:35.240
Well, because they get the six without the responsibility.
01:35:37.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it doesn't disadvantage men.
01:35:40.780
It disadvantages a very small proportion of hyper-successful and increasingly predatory men.
01:35:49.440
Why is it that when a man talks about girl in not-so-good light, they think we hate them?
01:35:54.100
I'm sure that I can speak for most guys when I say you can do it, but we will judge.
01:36:07.500
Because what happens is that when the sexual constraints are lifted off women,
01:36:11.980
they all migrate to a very small percentage of men, 5% maybe,
01:36:16.760
and then those men have an almost unlimited field of sexual access.
01:36:20.380
And so you could say that's a benefit to them, but it's not, because it trains them to be manipulative,
01:36:26.560
Machiavellian, instrumental psychopaths, because all they're doing is pursuing a string of pleasure-based,
01:36:34.960
That's bad training if you want to be a reciprocal human being and if you want to learn how to participate in a real relationship.
01:36:41.560
So, and then it's a catastrophe for the women because none of those men are incentivized to form anything that approximates a long-term relationship.
01:36:50.460
And then the rest of the men are left with nothing.
01:37:06.760
Yeah, so basically what's kind of happening now, you've...
01:37:12.360
It was something deregulated the sexual marketplace.
01:37:21.840
And we have the data to back this up from dating apps.
01:37:36.540
All those guys at the top, they're gonna get all the girls.
01:37:41.580
So they're gonna keep you around for sex, but they'll never commit to you.
01:37:48.000
So we'll sleep with a girl who's less attractive than us because sex.
01:37:56.280
So women are chasing after these really attractive guys and it's...
01:38:02.760
He says it's bad for those guys and I don't know where I stand on that, but it's bad for most women and it's bad for most men ultimately.
01:38:14.560
People aren't getting into relationships and we see a rise in male...
01:38:19.560
Eric, can you pull up that thing from the Washington Post, the study they did with the who's reported sexlessness in the past?
01:38:31.760
They say that by 20, 30, 50% of women will be single.
01:38:42.620
Yeah, because we're all over the men population.
01:38:46.680
I said because we're all over the male population.
01:38:49.880
Well, you're over the 10 or 20% of men that are treating you poorly.
01:39:04.880
And we're over the way that they act, a good majority of them.
01:39:09.360
Okay, but have you ever said that the guy's too nice?
01:39:16.220
See, as the guy that used to be too nice, you can't be too nice.
01:39:27.040
Okay, but then why is there a trope of women being attracted to bad boys and jerks and assholes?
01:39:41.880
If you're consistently sleeping with shitty men, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
01:39:48.960
You disregard the guys that would be loyal, good partners.
01:39:54.960
How often do you hear a girl say, I didn't feel the connection.
01:40:01.220
You're looking for some sort of excitement that only guys who are either assholes, jerks, or bad boys are going to be able to elicit.
01:40:12.540
Personally speaking, I have given nice guys a chance, and I have definitely felt a connection with douchebags.
01:40:19.680
I've felt a connection with guys that were awesome.
01:40:22.400
But I think that there should be a form of excitement no matter who they are, whether they're nice or they're not.
01:40:32.980
Do you think a good relationship, a long-lasting relationship, the foundation of that has anything to do with how excited someone makes you?
01:40:45.280
Well, women live their life based on they crave drama.
01:40:47.920
You have to bring drama to the woman's life in some shape, way, or form.
01:40:56.000
What do they do when they get together with their friends?
01:41:03.500
I think it's important to be with somebody that you can learn from and that you can also teach and is willing to learn from you as well
01:41:11.360
and more about intellectuality as opposed to being too nice or being too mean.
01:41:17.920
And I don't think excitement would be the word.
01:41:24.220
Intellect and I don't know, like somebody that's actually goal-driven and going towards something.
01:41:31.320
I mean, I kind of disagree with the whole, are you talking about ambition, ambitious men?
01:41:36.700
Honestly, I don't think women really care all that much about ambition.
01:41:48.800
Women are attracted to ambitious men who have reaped the rewards of said ambition.
01:42:07.840
Women aren't busting down the door to date me because of my ambition.
01:42:14.480
When someone's goal-oriented, that's a huge turn on.
01:42:23.500
No, that's weird to say, by the way, I'm so ambitious.
01:42:25.820
Then a girl just isn't going to know, you know what I mean?
01:42:33.960
Maybe it goes back to you splitting the bill on the first.
01:42:36.780
Do you exhibit your ambition from your behavior and the things you talk about and the way you
01:42:43.940
I think the ultimate thing, if I can do a little psychoanalysis, that might be preventing
01:42:49.700
someone like you from attaining your dream girl is just that you have this block where
01:42:56.480
you think about so much about body count, so much about her being a high-value woman instead
01:43:02.700
of just going to the date, finding someone you connect with, and then seeing, like, could
01:43:08.460
Is this someone who's going to be loyal to me, accountable, somebody I can trust?
01:43:16.120
These are the questions that you should be asking your future partner.
01:43:20.080
And as a woman, I'm looking for somebody also accountable.
01:43:23.120
Am I going to need to remind him every weekend to help me with shit, or is he going to be
01:43:29.320
And that body count doesn't really factor in for me, even though I don't have a high
01:43:34.140
I'm just looking for somebody who's going to, like, be my solid partner, you know?
01:43:39.320
I mean, so you're saying your dating advice to me is that I'm going in with, what, too
01:43:51.800
I think you're, like, going in with a little, like, too much judgment.
01:43:57.140
Instead of taking into account all these other things, you're focused on these, like, minuscule
01:44:10.720
You're not really focused as much towards someone's present and future, what they're working
01:44:22.300
Is I think women are unaccustomed to hearing men communicate and articulate their preferences,
01:44:30.940
Women are the queens, or maybe the kings, I don't know, of going for exactly what they
01:44:37.220
You guys have laundry lists of criteria that a guy needs to meet.
01:44:47.240
Women are much harsher judges of, if we're speaking of physical attraction, women are
01:44:51.820
far harsher judges of men on physical attractiveness than men are towards women.
01:44:57.700
As far as, like, stats, we as men, we really don't ask for a lot.
01:45:04.500
Women will have literally a list of shit that a guy has to meet.
01:45:17.340
But the things that we do ask for matter a lot.
01:45:20.820
Like, men are not allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
01:45:25.940
You played a pretty ringtone when she said she was 4'11", but when somebody else said
01:45:32.260
that their preference was guys over 5'7 and up, that was, like, not good.
01:45:40.600
I acknowledge that women are more attracted to men that are taller.
01:45:45.960
But you're saying that men have less preferences.
01:45:51.160
But when we went around the table and compared, just this very small test group, you know,
01:45:58.100
I said I dated a guy shorter than me and loved him.
01:46:01.520
We went around and said, you know, just slightly taller or whatever.
01:46:04.600
And then you really like women who are 4'11 and said that's your preference, highly.
01:46:10.040
So it's just kind of like, we all have preferences.
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To the girl, and yes, I mean girl, I have been in SoCal for a while and the egregious rampant
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vanity and mental disorders here pale far in comparison to your delusion.
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No HBM will claim someone with that past that you...
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No high value man will claim someone with that past that you deem worthy.
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Dude, Zinchen's A, thank you for the big $100 super chat, man.
01:47:18.020
Okay, so just to bring it back, you were saying something about the height and how I would...
01:47:26.060
We have preferences that are comparable, and I don't think that women have tons more preferences
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I just think that we're looking for somebody who's not going to be judgy, who's going to
01:47:36.880
just kind of be authentic and, you know, have...
01:47:42.440
I'm looking for a motivated guy who's going to help me with my business and build his own
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I think it's entirely fine to have preferences, whether you're a man or woman.
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It's just upsetting to women when men only see us as our bodies and our body count.
01:48:00.460
Your body count doesn't have to necessarily do with your body.
01:48:12.160
No, no, no, but body count, if you've slept, aside from sexually transmitted diseases, which
01:48:20.300
we can talk about, having had a lot of sexual partners does not change your outward physical
01:48:41.000
Your past sexual behavior is a behavior, not your physical body.
01:48:46.880
But when I see a guy who I'm interested in, I don't see him as just his past relationships
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I see him as his personality, his intelligence, the way he treats people.
01:48:58.680
I certainly look at other things, too, besides just a woman's body count, if you think that
01:49:06.200
But you did mention that once you find out a woman's body count, it's like an eyebrow
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Women have things that might be deal breakers for them, too.
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Okay, but say you never knew the woman's body count in an alternate universe.
01:49:21.580
Say you didn't know her body count, but you grew to know and love her for her and the
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qualities that she has that don't have to do with her sexual past.
01:49:29.340
So you're saying, I'm with a girl, the body count thing never comes up, we've been dating
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for a year, fall in love with her, and then somehow I find out she slept with 100 men before
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Wait, so do people think that if you have a lower body count, you're automatically going
01:50:01.780
I saw a comment earlier, and somebody was saying if you have a lower body count, you're
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If a girl has a lower body count, she's more likely to get with a...
01:50:19.980
I disagree with that because let's just put into example the girls in L.A., I'd say
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they have a lot higher body counts than other girls in, say, Wyoming, and who's dating those
01:50:30.300
guys in L.A., the high value ones, the girls with the high body counts, just because of
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So what I would say is that if you have a low body count, men will recognize that, and
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that will be something that they value in a partner for long-term commitment.
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I think you ask most men, that's a major plus if you have a low body count.
01:50:56.760
It's like relationships is more likely to be stronger if a female has a lower body count.
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A lot of guys, when it comes to just like, for me, even if it's something casual, which
01:51:10.700
I'm not particularly interested in, I'm not interested in one-night stands, it doesn't
01:51:16.160
If I want to sleep with someone, if I want to have sex with someone, I want a continuity,
01:51:21.720
But a lot of guys will tell you for casual sex, for friends with benefits, body count,
01:51:29.380
But for marriage, for wife, for kids, for long-term relationship, that's when they're
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going to care a lot more about your past promiscuity.
01:51:38.400
So I would say, yes, if you have a low body count, you are going to be much more appealing
01:51:50.040
Say you were dating a girl, and she has a body count of six people, but four of those
01:51:56.760
six people were married men, or her best friend's boyfriend, or something like that.
01:52:15.760
Okay, so you don't know the details behind the information.
01:52:22.320
All you know is that her body count is six, and you're comparing it to a girl with a body
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count of, say, 20, who they've all been guys that she was either interested in, or dated
01:52:35.340
You, like, you're going to say that you would rather say goodbye immediately to the girl
01:52:40.820
with 20, as opposed to the girl that has a body count of six, but four of the six were
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married men, or her best friend's boyfriend, or something like that.
01:52:50.800
At the end of the day, she's still been ran through less.
01:52:55.160
We all make bad mistakes, but she's made less mistakes.
01:52:57.740
So, weren't you saying quality over quantity, or is that what you're saying?
01:53:00.700
So, the whole argument started talking about whether this was about bodies or not.
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And the argument was that it's actually about, like, sexual choices.
01:53:08.320
And so, it's a sexual choice whether or not you're going to sleep with your friend's husband.
01:53:15.100
It's a sexual choice if you're going to cheat on your partner.
01:53:24.900
Even if she did that with six people, horrible moral choices, you're saying that you'd still
01:53:30.060
prefer her over somebody who's been with 20 guys that were normal, moral hookups.
01:53:52.700
It's not about the quality versus quantity when it comes to a woman.
01:53:59.160
No, I was trying to explain to you because you look so confused.
01:54:05.680
One girl has gone with 20 people, but they were just regular guys, whatever, met through
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But this other girl has a body count of six, but each of those people have been a homewrecking
01:54:35.120
Well, then this entire argument is invalid because you'd have to assume that you knew
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Okay, but the point of it is, it's like, you are then dismissing women for their body
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count just based on a number and not based on the choices made with the number.
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Like how many times a penis is gone inside her instead of the choices?
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They still made less choices than they personally told me.
01:55:09.380
So you're comparing, I mean, it's kind of, you're comparing a woman with a low body count
01:55:15.120
who's cheated on her partner to a woman who has a 20 body count, but she's never cheated.
01:55:25.060
How about, how about I would just prefer the girl with six who hasn't cheated on anybody?
01:55:32.400
We were just saying how deep does like body count go?
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Like, I'm just saying like, this is what I'm trying to say is like the dismissal of the
01:55:42.600
body count number, regardless of the decisions made.
01:55:46.480
So you guys, so you are dismissing a woman based on how many partners she's been with
01:55:51.940
and not, that maybe she truly loved in comparison to somebody.
01:56:03.520
You know, I think they say the average person kisses seven people in their life.
01:56:08.280
A woman could be a virgin and there could be other disqualifiers.
01:56:12.220
There could be other, just because you're a virgin or you have an insanely low body count,
01:56:16.900
that doesn't instantly guarantee you a relationship.
01:56:23.860
It's not just like, oh, she's got a low body count.
01:56:28.120
But I mean, but I just want to bring it back to you.
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So you said that it's disheartening to hear that women value men, or sorry, men value women
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I think we're talking about the body count, not the bodies.
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Not exactly, because body count isn't exactly physical appearance, but it's something physical
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But so it upsets you that men care about women?
01:57:10.640
Okay, so let's ignore body count here for a sec.
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Let's talk about physical characteristics, physical attractiveness, physical appearance.
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Does it bother you that men are attracted to women's physical appearance?
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Just saying it's upsetting when men only care about that, when they're not valuing women
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Well, okay, so now to reintroduce body count into this.
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So wouldn't a man preferring a woman with a low body count actually be valuing her substance
01:57:51.760
I'm not saying it's not okay to have preferences in regards to that.
01:57:57.220
I'm saying when men only focus on that, that's still a physical space that you're looking
01:58:08.640
The girl with 30 bodies, she's been an amazing girl.
01:58:14.100
She's actually got her heart broken plenty of times.
01:58:15.740
But she still decided that 30 men were able to sleep with her versus the one with six.
01:58:22.580
Maybe she cheated on her boyfriend, her last boyfriend.
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Maybe she hooked up with somebody who was married.
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Maybe she doesn't even know that he was married.
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So it's still at the end of the day, it's six versus 20.
01:58:41.540
Why are they bad decisions if they were done through, I don't know, somebody you're attracted
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Like you said, she's a great girl, but she just has a body count.
01:58:59.420
I don't think having a high body count makes you a bad person.
01:59:03.120
I think what we're trying to say is, for a lot of men, and at least speaking for me,
01:59:07.860
and I think this is also a kid's position, if you have a high body count, if you have
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a promiscuous past, it precludes you from a long-term serious relationship with us and
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And also, it makes it harder to bond with your partner as well.
01:59:21.760
That girl with the six bodies, she'll have an easier time bonding with you versus the
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There's a whole bunch of reasons why body count matters.
01:59:34.220
Maybe she's cheated two out of the six times, maybe.
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Let's just say she cheated on two of the six guys that she was with.
01:59:40.720
Well, that's two bad decisions versus her being with 20 to 30 bodies.
01:59:46.340
But didn't you say earlier that you referred to cheating as, like, the same way with crimes.
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So now are you taking back what you said earlier?
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Just because she has cheated doesn't mean she will cheat again.
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Do you want to stay with somebody who you know has cheated?
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If I knew that, in general, I would probably take her way less seriously, regardless of
02:00:29.280
But are you going to be stupid enough to jump into that pattern or be the third person that
02:00:36.520
Well, two seconds ago, you just said that you would be willing to be with a girl that
02:00:43.140
Does, I mean, I'd rather be stupid than, or it's just the point of, do you want to be stupid
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I've made plenty of stupid decisions because I knew it was stupid.
02:01:00.040
I feel like this is why women lie about their body count.
02:01:08.040
So just, I want to make sure I understand what you said before.
02:01:11.020
So you said that it bothered you or upset you a little bit that men care so much about
02:01:19.800
I just want to know kind of what your stance is on this.
02:01:22.460
So just using what you were saying as an example, it matters more to you that someone
02:01:27.520
has slept with more people than a girl who's like cheated on previous partners.
02:01:33.420
So what I'm saying is if I found out, you know, I was interested in a guy, if he had
02:01:39.140
cheated on someone before, that's a huge red flag to me.
02:01:42.180
Whereas say he made mistakes, like, you know, he went through a little bit of a whole phase.
02:01:52.920
We can compare infidelity and body count or whatever.
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But so your thing was that it, it, it Martin super chatted $50, BCS of oxytocin and estrogen.
02:02:07.020
The more partners you have adulterates our femininity.
02:02:09.780
It makes you more jaded, disconnected, pessimistic.
02:02:18.980
Through the filter of testosterone versus estrogen.
02:02:28.300
So just, I want you to reiterate, I guess, what you originally said, what, which was it
02:02:48.700
Um, I think that it's fine to have preference, whether that be your physical appearance or
02:02:56.600
your body count, but it's upsetting when men only value the physical aspects of women.
02:03:06.160
I don't think any man only values the physical characteristics of a woman.
02:03:10.660
We definitely take into consideration that's the whole point why attraction exists.
02:03:15.420
She's talking about physical past, not physical appearance.
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But your body count, okay, if you have a high body count, that means that you were promiscuous
02:03:33.320
That says something, and it could also just be viewed as a red flag.
02:03:36.940
Like, why isn't it the case that she hasn't had any long-term partners, but she's slept with
02:03:48.360
Or, or either they're not willing to commit to her, which means there's potentially something
02:03:53.920
wrong with her, or she's not wanting to commit to those men, which means she's either promiscuous
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I was going to say, either way, it's going to be that the problem is her, either way.
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Are you holding yourself to the same standards?
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Well, men and women, we just stated earlier, men and women's sexual lifestyles are viewed
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She's choosing to make a bad decision versus she did something that she might regret later.
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So, the problem is you're seeing it as a bad decision.
02:04:42.880
You said earlier, sex can be recreational for bonding, whatever.
02:04:49.460
But your view on body count is that every single, like, tick is a bad decision, something
02:04:57.080
Well, okay, when I said recreation, I am really meaning you can have...
02:05:05.760
Men focusing on body count is justifiably valid because we look at your lack of mental and
02:05:12.200
That indiscriminate behavior shows she will lack virtuous conviction when it comes to us
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So, when I was talking about recreation, like, sex for recreation, I meant with a partner.
02:05:30.180
Not, like, not just recreationally for fun one time when you're in Cancun.
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What if someone's had 20 people that they've generally, like, connected with?
02:05:49.800
If you're the woman with the 20 bodies and I am the man, if you've connected with 20
02:06:01.600
Let's say you meet a guy and you know that he's dated and slept with 100 women before you.
02:06:17.880
I'm not saying it's not okay to have preference with that.
02:06:25.500
Would you also take quarrel with a woman who...
02:06:27.960
And I think it's the case that women, generally speaking, care far less about a man's body
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count than do men care about women's body count?
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And she's like, hey, I don't really want to date a player.
02:06:47.700
I don't want to date a guy who has a high body count.
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And so her standard was, hey, I don't want to date a promiscuous guy.
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I don't want to date a guy with a high body count.
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Would you take issue with her having that preference?
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Just like I said before, it's fine to have preference.
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Where you place it on the totem pole of what matters most.
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Well, I think your question is also different because you're saying the female is a virgin.
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My position is, I think, what I would like to see is both men and women
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valuing monogamy and serious long-term relationships.
02:07:34.100
I think there are definitely some men out there.
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that a man's body count is not as important as a woman's body count.
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And I think, well, women reinforce this because, you know...
02:07:56.260
Ideal guy, I don't know if maybe you have a celebrity crush.
02:08:29.900
That's actually a good one because Timothee Chalamet recently has been a hot topic
02:08:35.620
He's soon to be engaged or something, or maybe engaged now, too, in Zendaya.
02:08:39.640
But it just recently came out about him in the past.
02:08:47.540
It recently came out about his past that he infected a good chunk of NYU when he was
02:08:59.660
Is it an STD that goes away, or you're stuck with it?
02:09:10.920
The point I'm trying to make is, let's say you met your celebrity crush, like, your ideal
02:09:25.100
Would you tolerate that from a guy who's of a high enough status?
02:09:41.720
Look, a lot of women see a celebrity in the club.
02:09:50.260
I don't really keep tabs on pop culture and all this shit, but, like, they see Timothee
02:09:56.280
They're not, like, looking at that guy and expecting him to be loyal to them.
02:10:02.200
That's so not exactly what I'm looking for in a relationship.
02:10:06.940
But most women will not pass up on the opportunity to get with a guy like that.
02:10:12.700
Women will gladly share a guy of a high enough status.
02:10:19.020
I'm trying to think about Kristen Kruik in her prime.
02:10:23.600
Who's, like, a really attractive girl that's, like...
02:10:29.620
A woman who's way out of my league, incredibly attractive, I'm not sharing her.
02:10:35.860
If there's the option to hook up with her, even for a one-night stand, even if there's
02:10:40.740
an option to hook up with her and she's sleeping with other guys, I am not interested.
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Whereas, for women, if the guy is hot enough, they will share him.
02:10:59.960
Like, my dream person took me on a date and we shared a meal and I could tell that I was
02:11:05.400
not the only person that he was interested in and I never saw him again.
02:11:12.720
Obviously, he does date one specific girl at a time, but do you really think that one
02:11:20.140
And they're okay with that because he's Leonardo DiCaprio.
02:11:25.460
They're not looking for relationships, like strong relationships that they're going for
02:11:29.120
Well, they may not be a super strong relationship, but they'd still want to do it.
02:11:33.640
I also think in this industry, a lot of women date higher position men to move forward
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I thought the topic of all of this was high value women in regards to this.
02:11:50.140
I also have a question in regards about a man's body count and to you women.
02:11:55.240
So, ladies, does it matter to you, the guy that you're seeing, does it matter if he
02:12:06.600
To fuck you good, he's got to go through a bunch of other women in the past to learn
02:12:16.940
From a guy's perspective, an 18-year-old is not going to know how to fuck just because
02:12:24.600
A 35-year-old is going to know how to fuck because he's had a plethora of women.
02:12:29.160
But say you're dating a 25-year-old who's been in a three-year relationship with another
02:12:33.480
girl, tried a bunch of stuff with her, and knows how to fuck her, and then he knows how
02:12:41.200
See, here's the example that really matters versus whether you're fucking a 4-foot-11 girl
02:13:00.320
Sex is about angles versus you're able to pick them up, the things you're able to do,
02:13:08.060
Like a thick chick, you're going to fuck her differently than a little petite thing.
02:13:14.720
And let's just say this guy has been with only tall women, so he's not going to know
02:13:25.240
It's not going to be immediately, maybe after a while, but you want a man that can fuck
02:13:38.940
I feel like body count for men, personally, I don't think it matters that much.
02:13:44.740
As long as they don't show that, or no, let me wear this right.
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As long as they aren't showing disinterest in me because of their high body count, it
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So you guys are fine with a guy with a super low body count who is horrible in the bedroom
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It doesn't matter to you whether he fucks you really good or not.
02:14:12.920
If he's in relationships, then he doesn't know how to fuck if he's in a relationship.
02:14:17.540
Well, just because he's been with one person for two years...
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Maybe it took you a long time to learn, but I think other guys didn't catch up.
02:14:22.660
Just because he's been with one person for two years doesn't mean he knows how to fuck
02:14:28.240
If that one person isn't adventurous, but say he was with somebody who's really into
02:14:32.960
all sorts of fun stuff and she orders BDSM products online, then he's into it.
02:14:39.380
I don't think body count in a guy necessarily correlates to his skill in bed because a guy
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who's had like, say, five long-term girlfriends versus he's slept with 50 chicks, but only
02:14:50.560
one or two times each, he's probably had more sex in those relationships.
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And it's probably been boring and it's probably been basic.
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I disagree with you a little bit on that, but I'm not saying a guy who's only had a bunch
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of casual relationships, he can be good in bed too, but I'm saying like, I don't think
02:15:12.720
body count necessarily, like if a guy's body counts five, he could be fucking killer in
02:15:17.940
Well, let's just say the guy that has a body count, let's say of a hundred, he's going
02:15:21.740
to fuck you better than a guy with a body count of two.
02:15:28.500
You're not a, let's just, you practice in a sport.
02:15:34.760
So you dedicate 10,000 hours to your sport of fucking 10,000 women, but you dedicate 10,000
02:15:41.080
hours to your sport of fucking your one partner and you try a whole bunch of new stuff with
02:15:52.020
Just because it worked with her in a certain way that you did it.
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You get different experiences with different people.
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I see what you mean because women's orgasm response is very varied.
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I kind of see what you're saying where if you have a bit more experience, like, because
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what works for one girl doesn't work for another.
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But you did mention the, it's not going to be freaky or whatever.
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It doesn't have to always be, but I'm assuming that a guy that's only been with two women,
02:16:19.640
it's probably not as freaky as a guy who's been with 50.
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I think through every man or every new partner that you have or same partner that you have,
02:16:29.440
you teach each other things and you learn from each other.
02:16:34.700
Well, what I would say, though, to that is you're not really going to be able to explore
02:16:44.180
Like, in a relationship, that's when you can go, I think, deeper into.
02:16:49.420
But if you have a one-night stand, you better know how to fuck her right.
02:16:55.460
But what is her version of fucking her right in comparison to somebody else?
02:17:00.800
When's the last time you were with a man that made you come?
02:17:18.160
How are you going to tell me what's rare and what's not rare?
02:17:20.780
Well, I mean, I watch a lot of podcasts, so I'm just.
02:17:23.000
There's also statistics on how many girls' fake orgasms we could bring up for you that might not be.
02:17:32.480
So if you're just having a bunch of one-night stands, right?
02:17:35.920
From what I've heard from women is if you're having casual sex with guys, in those scenarios, guys are going to be much more focused on their own pleasure than getting the girl off.
02:17:47.060
And if you're just, like, fucking the girl one time, you're going to be, like, a little less concerned with getting her off.
02:18:01.220
Well, what if you don't know her enjoyment, then?
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How are you going to fuck her good if you don't know her enjoyment?
02:18:08.100
Okay, but what if you have never fucked her before?
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Being with 50 girls who come in different ways.
02:18:16.100
You're going to fuck the same girl the way you fuck all 50 girls?
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If plan A didn't work, plan B didn't work, plan C can work.
02:18:22.360
If you're going to fuck me the same way you fucked 50 other girls, I'm sorry.
02:18:29.560
Okay, but if you've been with 50 other girls as a comparison to being with one person that you have gotten to know and understood.
02:18:36.740
At the end of the day, 80% of marriages divorce because of sex.
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Whether you're not having it or whether it's not pleasurable.
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80% of divorce factors in a lack of sex, a lack of good sex.
02:18:59.740
I would say I kind of disagree with you on that.
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The divorce stats, as far as I know, the leading cause of divorce is typically finance.
02:19:10.880
But 80% of those divorces wouldn't happen if you could fuck her better.
02:19:20.660
But I agree with you in the sense of even for like something more casual, like you are still focused on the girl's pleasure.
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Like for me, I'm always like, I'm going to make her come first.
02:19:31.440
So, but actually really quick, let's go around the table on this.
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And guys, we will get caught up on the super chats.
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We're going to go around the table on this and then we'll do super chats.
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I've had this experience, but first date, if the sex is bad and I know the guy isn't very experienced, give him another chance.
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If I'm really into him, if I love this guy, like I'm ready to kind of commit to him, give him another chance and try again and then see if that connection is there.
02:20:09.700
Because what matters to me more is not that the guy knows what moves to make.
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It's more that like we can like, you know, feel it and like really get into it.
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So, I think that there's room for the guy to learn in my book.
02:20:30.520
Let's say the performance isn't really up to par the first.
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And what happens if it's bad on the situation number two, number three?
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I don't know, I've never had to worry about that before, so I guess I haven't thought of it.
02:20:42.920
Like, let's say you like the guy, but sex wasn't great, you know.
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If I really liked the guy, I'd be about more than just that.
02:20:58.860
I mean, I feel like if they suck during like the initial time, if you're communicating and you're saying like what you want and what you don't like that they do, it's going to improve.
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Like, if you're going into it and you're like, he didn't know that I wanted this specifically, yeah, it's going to suck because you're not telling him what you want.
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If you want like a certain thing done in bed and that's going to make you cum, say it.
02:21:23.680
Well, what happens if he still has to hit the spot after five, ten times?
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If he can't fuck you, you're going to disappear.
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Listen, not necessarily disappear, but give valid feedback.
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And then if it still doesn't improve, yes, sex is extremely important when it comes to long-term commitment.
02:21:43.560
But when what we're talking about, that comes with experience and having more sex under your belt, regardless whether it's with one person.
02:21:52.060
And like the way you cum is not going to be the same way you cum.
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So you've got to know how to make, and it depends on how many partners you have, but you have to figure out you can't just be a one-trick pony.
02:22:04.320
And you practice more tricks by getting in more practice.
02:22:11.780
I feel like good sex comes with having a lot of passion.
02:22:16.960
So if you're really vibing with a person, first date, and you have sex, and it's not that good, I feel like you can give them another try.
02:22:23.000
What if it's not so good the next time for you?
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But it really depends on how much I'm liking this person.
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If I'm not looking for anything serious, then yeah, probably.
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Yeah, I think I'd be perfect for that, honestly.
02:22:48.180
But yeah, so with that, it's like, if it's bad and you're not looking for anything, then why do it again, you know?
02:22:55.760
I mean, I think if you have chemistry and you're willing to, like if you really like them in the first time, yeah, it's not great, I do think that you can improve it by telling them.
02:23:08.700
And if they're open to, you know, getting you off and like listening to what you're saying, then yeah, I think it can get better.
02:23:18.300
But I mean, also, if they're not and they are kind of just caring about themselves, then yeah, that's a no.
02:23:30.560
I think what the consensus has said, I think when there is love and passion there, that there is opportunity for growth and learning.
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But I feel like if there is no improvement long term, that no, like it depends what you value.
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Personally, if it's not getting any better and it's something that doesn't seem like can be taught or not willing to switch something up or learn, then yeah, it may be a bit of a turnoff.
02:24:05.040
See, here's a problem, though, is regardless, I've been in two situations where the woman was absolutely beautiful.
02:24:14.680
But in the bedroom, you can make an argument that the quicker sex the guy has, the faster he comes, the more he enjoys it or the better the sex is for him.
02:24:26.460
I've gone, there's multiple situations with these two women in the past year where the sex would be three hours long, nonstop, and I couldn't finish.
02:24:37.660
And that's, but there was, I've also been with women that I can fuck her six times in three hours.
02:24:44.680
But it just, it's, there's, it's, it's, it's, it's the body chemistry.
02:24:50.040
Also, how much alcohol you have in your system.
02:24:52.300
Well, the times that we, both of those situations where one round, three hours, just, there was no alcohol.
02:25:00.920
And you, it just boils down to how much you actually physically like them and how much body chemistry do you have.
02:25:08.840
Wait, did you say the three hours was with someone you didn't feel chemistry with or you did?
02:25:12.900
And physical, like I, I found her very beautiful inside the bedroom.
02:25:22.680
She thought because I could go three hours nonstop, she wasn't having the time of her life.
02:25:31.340
But I just, I try, I gave her three different tries.
02:25:33.760
This one girl, I gave her three different tries.
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I'm like, maybe it'll, maybe I'll enjoy it later on.
02:25:38.040
So, but it was always just extremely long rounds and a guy that's really enjoying it is going to finish fast.
02:25:46.600
But did you like communicate with her or did you just assume that she should figure it out?
02:25:50.400
Well, there's nothing she was, there's nothing she was doing wrong.
02:25:52.020
Well, then like if there's something you need to come, that's not happening, you're physically attracted to her, but the sex is not feeling it.
02:25:59.980
Like, why would you not just say, oh, like, let's try this.
02:26:05.580
Then you're not as physically attracted to her.
02:26:08.200
Very beautiful face, perfect body, very beautiful face and a perfect body.
02:26:11.660
Sometimes it's just like the person won't vibe with you sexually.
02:26:15.180
And sometimes it just isn't there and that's okay.
02:26:18.420
Sexual attraction is different than just like physical attraction.
02:26:21.540
Yeah, I mean, okay, so my take on this is, and I don't know, my, and we'll watch the video on this, my view on this is very similar to Andrew Tate's view on this.
02:26:33.980
I know you guys don't like Andrew Tate, but actually he has, I think a very, I think a take that some of you might like is, you know, like if a girl is genuinely trying, she's trying her best,
02:26:53.860
First off, it's very hard for a woman to be bad in bed.
02:26:57.780
Like, men are going to be the drivers of bad sex.
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It's not, it's not about her being bad, it's just, you just don't enjoy it with her.
02:27:10.400
Well, it takes a lot for a girl to fuck up sex.
02:27:14.220
Like, honestly, a girl can do very little and the sex can still be great.
02:27:19.280
Like, a girl really doesn't have to do all that much for the sex to be good.
02:27:25.320
So, as long as she's, like, best effort, as long as she's trying, you know, if she doesn't, like, some guys are thinking, oh, well, a lot of girls think, oh, man, here's how I get a guy.
02:27:37.020
I gotta suck his dick really good and I gotta fuck him really good.
02:27:41.900
Like, the way you're gonna get a guy is, is everything else that you're bringing outside of the bedroom.
02:27:51.660
It's not, it's not, like, how good you can suck dick or the way in which you can maneuver your pelvis on top of me.
02:28:04.860
I don't, like, you know, if I love her and she loves me and I can tell that she's trying and she doesn't suck dick very well, it's like, well.
02:28:15.440
Yeah, it's like, well, you're not the best at it, but I love you.
02:28:21.780
And I think you'll impress me much more by the other things that you're bringing outside of the bedroom than just, oh, can you do the, what's that stupid shit from Call Her Daddy the fucking?
02:28:40.220
Actually, let's just watch the tape video because he articulates it way better than me.
02:28:48.760
Like, and I just also, before you pull it up, like I said, it just, it's really, I know what I'm doing in the bedroom.
02:29:01.920
Just a man that knows how to lead and then you just kind of, like, follow?
02:29:07.860
And I think that's kind of one of the reasons why men and women value body count differently.
02:29:13.140
I could have fantastic sex with a girl who's a virgin.
02:29:17.020
Most girls are going to look at a guy who's a virgin.
02:29:21.040
And, like, the sex is, that's going to be a coin.
02:29:25.720
Like, that, also, I don't think girls want to teach guys how to fuck them.
02:29:31.400
That's exactly, you and I are thinking about the exact same clip and that's exactly what I was taking this from.
02:29:35.680
Now, not to say that I'm not, like, if a girl, I'll ask a girl for, like, some feedback.
02:29:39.860
Is there a certain, you know, certain thing that you prefer, faster, slower, whatever.
02:29:44.660
But, like, girls really don't want to, like, teach a guy, like, how the fuck I'm like.
02:29:50.700
We can marry a virgin and we don't mind teaching them because it will get better with time.
02:29:56.940
But the women are not going to put up with that.
02:30:12.920
Yeah, I mean, I basically almost said, not exactly, but I basically echoed what he said.
02:30:27.260
Don't you feel like you get to a point in your life where there's something more than that shit?
02:30:30.180
Don't you feel like, and maybe I'm going to sound like a romantic.
02:30:32.600
Don't you feel like you get to a position in your life where you'd rather have a girl you truly love and she truly loves you.
02:30:36.860
And it doesn't matter what she does because you know she really loves you and she's trying her best.
02:30:41.080
I know she's shaking her head, but I'm serious.
02:30:46.540
If you sleep with enough women, just like if you sleep with enough men, there's no fucking move.
02:30:53.720
There's no move that's going to be like, wow, I've never seen this before.
02:30:57.360
I've never seen this before and my mind is blown.
02:31:00.120
If you think the way you keep a man happy is to move your pussy in a particular way on top of his dick,
02:31:05.260
as opposed to behave in a way which is respectful to him out in the real world,
02:31:09.380
and for him to know he has you and your loyalty, regardless of what's going to come up,
02:31:13.920
all the problems he's going to come into in his life, then you're wrong.
02:31:16.240
So the whole point of sex is a connection between two people,
02:31:19.800
and I think having a genuine connection between two people is worth more than the sex.
02:31:22.960
So her question was, what can a woman do to truly blow your mind in the bedroom?
02:31:27.300
You blow my mind outside of the bedroom, in a relationship as a whole.
02:31:33.560
Wouldn't you rather have a girlfriend who truly loves you, is absolutely loyal to you,
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like no matter what happens, she's going to be there for you.
02:31:45.240
But she tries her very, very best to pour the poor thing,
02:31:48.740
and she wants to satisfy you, and you know she cares about you.
02:31:53.720
Wouldn't you be like, well, I don't care that she can't take dick,
02:31:55.820
because that's actually a quality woman, which is rare in the world today.
02:31:58.800
But I am genuinely uninterested in sleeping with a woman who I don't have a connection with.
02:32:02.800
If a girl said to me, I don't love you at all, I don't feel anything for you at all,
02:32:06.680
I don't want to sleep with you, but I will, I would say no.
02:32:16.160
Do you really need to fuck somebody who doesn't give a shit about you at all?
02:32:19.180
We live in a world now, right, where we have a lot of narratives which are being broken down and destroyed in real time,
02:32:23.420
and I think it's very, very healthy for men and women to look at sex as an act that happens between people who at least like each other.
02:32:31.760
The idea that I don't like them at all, but as long as they can suck dick this way, then it's okay.
02:32:38.460
If a girl genuinely loves me with all her heart and gives me a fucking terrible blowjob,
02:32:42.800
I'm still going to be like, well, you love me, I love you, it is what it is.
02:32:45.860
Life's more important than blowjobs and fucking blow in your nose.
02:32:50.220
And if it's not love, if it's not love, let me tell you something.
02:32:55.520
If it's not love, you shouldn't be fucking him anyway.
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Just because the modern world told you different.
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You shouldn't be fucking any man you don't love.
02:33:06.840
No, no, no, no, because the intus me, whatever you say, intus me, whatever is not there,
02:33:17.200
And that's the perfect example because the two women that I'm talking about where there
02:33:21.880
was a problem, their personalities were the slight problem for me.
02:33:35.120
When you asked me, I had a very similar answer where all that matters to me is really being
02:33:43.160
in love with the person and having a passionate connection before I have sex with them.
02:33:47.120
I won't have sex with someone that I don't have a passionate love connection with.
02:33:58.380
There's more important things than what happens in the bedroom.
02:34:06.180
I think it kind of goes back to what I was saying where it's like if you're with someone
02:34:10.740
and they are listening to you when you're talking about what you need, if they like you, like
02:34:16.600
he was talking about she sucks, she's terrible at sucking dick, but she loves you so much.
02:34:23.240
Like she's more likely than someone who's having a one night stand who doesn't give a fuck about you
02:34:27.000
to listen to what you need and improve and change things.
02:34:37.740
Yeah, I mean, I don't like Andrew Tate in general, but I will say that clip you did say I didn't
02:34:53.220
I think there are more things outside the bedroom.
02:34:56.720
And I do think, you know, when you do have chemistry, I do think the sex is better as well.
02:35:00.880
And so like when you do love someone, I think the sex is going to be better.
02:35:06.280
I think intimacy and connection happens before the bedroom.
02:35:10.840
My mom has a funny quote that she always has said since I was young.
02:35:13.780
It's like, let them see your heart before anything else.
02:35:20.180
I feel like there are some of you that said if you didn't get fucked right after a while,
02:35:26.560
Who's going back on their word after that clip?
02:35:34.320
I'm pretty sure somebody at this table earlier said if they didn't get fucked.
02:35:44.500
I think that after a period of time, if the man is not able to figure it out, you know,
02:35:51.500
and please you the correct way, get you to orgasm,
02:35:54.400
I don't think there's a point in continuing on to marriage with him because you're not going to be happy.
02:35:59.540
Even if you love him with all your heart, but he just can't fuck you, right?
02:36:02.260
I don't think that would ever happen, honestly.
02:36:05.480
And at least for me, when I fall in love with someone, it's a very like whole thing.
02:36:10.520
And it's like sexuality is a part of it and, you know, intimacy, intellect, all of that makes the whole.
02:36:17.900
So I wouldn't necessarily be able to fall in love with someone I wasn't at least very sexually attracted to.
02:36:23.540
What if the man is a virgin, would you be willing to put in the time to you teach him what you like as long as it takes?
02:36:31.800
If he's learning and picking up fast, fuck, yeah.
02:36:37.380
As long as he's getting it and like we're making progress and I love this person, yes, let's go.
02:36:45.780
As long as God, if I can find a partner, sorry, if I can find a partner that's going to work together with me to solve problems, to communicate on things, that's what I want for everything.
02:36:55.440
Okay, let me, we got to move on to some super chats.
02:36:58.440
Eric, did you start this one from Zentience, the $99 one?
02:37:19.100
Sorry, guys, I'm getting, I lost my place on the super chats.
02:37:32.820
Sam Gigolo, thank you for the Prime and the Follow.
02:37:56.200
The fact is all men want girls that not just any man can have, but average men have enough
02:38:01.340
trouble finding women and can't force that preference.
02:38:04.780
High value men can because 50% of women are all going for a top 20% of all men.
02:38:12.900
I mean, a lot of men, I'd say most average men really can't, what's the term for it?
02:38:26.240
So either they just get rid of the preference or, I don't know.
02:38:31.660
Yeah, so, but that's why, you know, this is why I think it's kind of cope in like the
02:38:40.840
red pill or whatever, when like the wall, this idea of the wall, like there's going
02:38:50.440
So there's going to be a guy who's going to tolerate the fucking past promiscuity, three
02:38:56.980
kids from three different baby daddies, there's going to be some simp who's going to pick
02:39:03.000
So I think it's kind of cope for a lot of us men to think, oh, you know, she's messing
02:39:08.220
up in her youth and then, nah, there's going to be some guy to pick up the pieces.
02:39:13.240
So, um, yo, we have Gus with the $20 soup chat, uh, past body count matter because your
02:39:19.740
We don't want to walk into room knowing my friend's fam might have seen or heard of your
02:39:26.940
It's also, it's definitely body count is a reputational thing.
02:39:29.460
If you've like slept with an entire guy's friend group, it's just like awkward.
02:39:40.060
Um, I mean the whole pair bonding thing too is as you continue to having more and more sexual
02:39:46.720
partners, you start de-linking intimacy from sex.
02:39:50.360
Your ability to bond with somebody is diminished.
02:39:53.740
Like you're going to the moment, like a difficult moment in a relationship comes up, you know
02:40:13.420
So, whereas someone who's, has a lower body count is much more likely to stick it out
02:40:24.860
Marriage rates, birth rates, lower than ever in history.
02:40:27.460
Divorce, antidepressants, anxiety meds, higher than ever before in history.
02:40:30.940
Most unhappy demographic of human, single career woman with no husband or children, late 30s.
02:40:38.420
Uh, yeah, the West, I think is, uh, definitely in trouble.
02:40:43.600
Um, I think when you kind of deregulate the sexual marketplace that, I mean, I don't know.
02:40:52.160
I think society functions best when you have the nuclear family, people stay together, there's
02:40:58.260
monogamy, but I mean, the West is, uh, the West is a failed society.
02:41:04.760
Okay, we have, uh, I'm Onifro with the Canadian $20 soup chat.
02:41:08.900
Wait, so philosophically, is she saying that romance isn't about emotion commitment?
02:41:13.400
And by the way, it's failed, it's catastrophic for both men and women.
02:41:19.260
Um, isn't about emotion commitment, but about transactions.
02:41:22.560
Hypergamy is a hell of a drug and the mentality like that just chases the dragon.
02:41:29.000
Is she saying that romance isn't about, by the way, so I want to apologize guys that
02:41:33.040
it took us a while to get to the soup chats, but so this is maybe like from 45 minutes
02:41:37.700
ago or something, but, um, thank you, Onifro, appreciate it.
02:41:43.040
Ask the girls to rate their looks one to 10, then intellect one to 10.
02:41:47.060
Interestingly, I found the order in which you ask these questions influences the answer.
02:41:52.900
Yeah, we can go around the table on this really quick.
02:41:54.500
Uh, please rate your appearance, uh, looks one to 10 and then your, I guess your intellect
02:42:00.080
I think that one's a bit more challenging, but go ahead.
02:42:02.800
Uh, looks like seven and a half, um, and intellect, I'd say eight and a half or nine.
02:42:10.840
Say like six and a half and intellect's probably like eight.
02:42:16.540
Uh, probably seven for looks and then eight or nine for intellect.
02:42:21.340
Yeah, I would say seven for looks, eight or nine for intellect.
02:42:31.900
Normally we get girls in here saying that they're tens when they're not.
02:42:37.060
I won't say a number, but I definitely think you're more than a six and a half.
02:42:41.540
Um, I would say I'm like an eight and a half, nine looks wise.
02:42:53.120
I, I consider myself to be an eight, eight and a half and my intellect anywhere from a nine
02:42:58.600
Uh, oh, that was just, I guess he just wanted the girls, um, to rate themselves.
02:43:05.500
I mean, I say I get, I get shit on my, from my good girlfriends that I, I say I'm a nine
02:43:11.100
and they say you're, you should be viewing yourself as a 10.
02:43:14.740
And I don't like to say that 10 because 10 implies perfection.
02:43:34.020
I don't think, I don't think one should try to rate their intellect.
02:43:37.580
I think there's, I think that there's a lot of, there's a lot of nuanced intellect too.
02:43:42.080
So I think trying to rate your intellect would,
02:43:44.380
make the, it's funny, the ones that would say their intellect is higher are actually
02:43:51.540
Would you say the same about taking an IQ test?
02:43:56.120
You know, you take an IQ test and you get a high result.
02:43:58.440
Well, that's based on your test results versus your opinion.
02:44:00.760
So if somebody gets a high IQ test and they say, I have highly intellect, like, right?
02:44:20.480
In the annals of human history, there has never been a single woman who was celebrated
02:44:26.640
Conversely, the kings and conquerors of history have had a multitude of mistresses and offspring.
02:44:42.700
Thank you, Frankie, though, for the big $20 soup chat.
02:44:48.960
Here's the example I like to give and why men have this sort of evolutionary biological almost
02:44:57.940
repulsion discussed when there's a, when it comes, sorry, I'm getting tongue-tied here,
02:45:17.060
Okay, so if a woman has 10 husbands and she's sleeping with all of them, who's the father?
02:45:24.900
Whereas if a man has 10 wives, who's the father?
02:45:33.280
It's a slippery slope because then it's just like, yeah, but also women couldn't vote many
02:45:37.580
years ago and all this stuff has changed, like so much has changed.
02:45:43.560
So, okay, I think in the 80s is when we got DNA testing.
02:45:49.600
So if a woman has 10 husbands and they're all, she's sleeping with all of them.
02:45:56.240
Before 40 years ago, there's no way to know who the father is.
02:46:03.460
Well, and so, whereas for a guy, if he has 10 wives, each of those women know that she's
02:46:11.140
the mother and they know who the father is, so for men, there's a paternity uncertainty
02:46:16.260
and that's a, it's a big fucking L to think that the kid is yours and it's not.
02:46:26.200
I was just watching one of those Facebook court videos of you are not the father.
02:46:29.720
This woman had three men there and not a single one of them was the father.
02:46:40.660
Sounds like a crappy person, but like these are just like such cherry picked situation.
02:46:47.260
Well, I think also the woman's the one carrying the baby for nine months.
02:46:56.300
Think of, okay, do you guys know fight or flight response?
02:46:59.500
Like why, if we realize if there's not a threat, right, that if we're not getting chased
02:47:04.940
by a tiger, why do some people have panic attacks?
02:47:07.740
Because that, that's a fight or flight response, but there's something misfiring there.
02:47:12.840
So in the same way that that is sort of an outdated thing and people have these anxiety
02:47:17.780
disorders, what, there's no benefit to having panic attacks.
02:47:26.340
Like if we, if we know that a girl is promiscuous, it's like somewhere in our fucking reptilian
02:47:33.680
It's like, I don't know if I, if she's, if her kid.
02:47:37.020
Just like if I feel a man can't provide for me, I'm scared.
02:47:51.040
Based on society and like the tradition that has been upheld by society, I could see how
02:47:58.760
women would want men for, to provide for them in the past, but evolutionarily, like biologically,
02:48:11.480
And you're so, those women in the stone ages were supposed to go out and kill their own
02:48:17.780
It is evolutionarily and biologically, but it doesn't mean, I get what you're saying though.
02:48:21.920
We have developed as a society past that point.
02:48:24.900
We no longer have to succumb to these evolutionary urges.
02:48:29.120
We are developed civilized people who can look past those urges.
02:48:35.360
Why is it that women are attracted to tall, muscular men?
02:48:46.180
Right, the exception doesn't make a rule, but that doesn't make a rule either.
02:48:49.140
If you line up a hundred women, how many of them are going to prefer a guy who's tall
02:48:57.040
How many men are going to prefer a girl that's fit and has tits and ass?
02:49:04.280
Women who have big birthing hips and nice tits for their children evolutionarily are hotter
02:49:14.220
That's literally the point, but we've developed past that.
02:49:18.300
We still, but you just said that men are attracted to women with big tits and wide hips.
02:49:23.060
Right, and women are attracted to men who are taller.
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We're going after evolutionary mother instincts.
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I'm just saying we have developed past that now as a society.
02:49:39.780
We have made, we have decided that we are on the same mental level so we can now choose.
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Women can now choose their partners just as men can choose their partners.
02:49:53.880
Women did not have the capability to have their own finances to take care of themselves.
02:50:01.440
They needed a man to provide in order to survive back in the 50s and 60s.
02:50:07.680
You would be destitute or sent to a sanitarium if you didn't have a husband, if you didn't succeed in birthing and stuff back then.
02:50:21.220
I know the chat hates when I bring that up, but it's real.
02:50:24.040
We have developed past that point of being in that evolutionarily driven stage.
02:50:33.380
And as society develops, we get further and further away from it.
02:50:37.020
And as we become more civilized, we become more able to communicate on an even level and understand each other better.
02:50:44.040
So I think these conversations are really beneficial, but you have to see from the other side sometimes.
02:50:49.280
So we are not, both men and women are not necessarily handcuffed to their base biological drives and urges.
02:51:00.160
I agree with you, but it does not undo their influence and their existence.
02:51:07.780
Like you ask most women, they want to date a guy that is taller than them.
02:51:14.540
Is this a surprising statement that most women are attracted to tall men?
02:51:20.940
Most men want to date a girl that is shorter than them.
02:51:23.640
Well, I think men care far less about height than women do, but what do you?
02:51:30.580
We've developed to a point in society where we each have preferences.
02:51:37.080
Women prefer men to be motivated and have future goals and all this stuff.
02:51:42.060
We all have things we want, and it's not fair to say, to be like, this is a high-value person,
02:51:48.380
this is a low-value person, because everybody has different sliding scales on how they're
02:51:54.900
So these conversations, although they're very fun to have on podcasts and stuff, it's just
02:51:58.960
like it doesn't really get into the deeper philosophical issue.
02:52:02.860
I'm not really sure what you are arguing, but we were talking about paternity and men's paternity
02:52:16.080
So let me ask you guys a question, though, so I can maybe try to emphasize why this is
02:52:20.820
a big deal for men and why it plays into the reasons for why men care about body count.
02:52:25.260
Now, what are our, if you had to say, what are like our two main, two or three main base
02:52:45.520
Okay, I'll just, maybe this is a hypothetical, this is hypothetical.
02:52:49.220
Survival and reproduction, those are the two base things for humans and frankly, for all
02:52:58.960
So if a woman's promiscuous, if she has a high body count, it is an evolutionary thing
02:53:09.740
So if you lie to your husband, if you cheated on him and you lie to him, or you're just promiscuous,
02:53:21.620
you're sleeping with a bunch of dudes, you get pregnant, you are essentially potentially
02:53:26.740
depriving that man of his opportunity to reproduce.
02:53:31.540
Okay, how often is this happening and why is it an issue?
02:53:35.720
I don't know the exact stats, maybe Eric can pull it up, but there's a, it's like in
02:53:40.740
the, it's in the double digit percentages that men are raising children that they think
02:53:53.480
I mean, I just gave you an example of the court case.
02:53:54.740
I have never in my personal life met a man raising a child that isn't his or even raising
02:54:05.360
You've never seen one of those videos where he finds out he's not the father and he starts
02:54:17.640
The whole show, Maury, is based on who's the father.
02:54:28.760
Okay, let me just address the cherry picking thing.
02:54:44.400
These numbers suggest that the widely quoted figure of 10% is...
02:54:49.980
However, in studies that solely looked at couples who obtained paternity testing because paternity
02:54:56.080
was being disputed, there are higher levels and incidents of 17% to 33%.
02:55:03.720
I mean, that solely looked at couples where paternity was being...
02:55:07.760
Yes, but at the same time, there's something called the law of small numbers.
02:55:13.680
Even if it happens to a minority of men, that doesn't mean that the risk or the fear doesn't
02:55:35.400
That's right, and women are totally reasonable to take precautions when dealing with men in
02:55:41.800
the same way that men should take precautions when dealing with women and having legitimate
02:55:47.740
fears about potentially having children with someone and that being a paternity fraud situation
02:55:55.340
where you have just poured your heart, your resources, and potentially...
02:56:00.440
Yes, that's an awful, awful situation, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
02:56:05.600
But you guys can't relate because it's impossible for that to happen to women.
02:56:11.920
It's possible for the government to force me to have a child I don't want, even though
02:56:17.640
If I'm in a different state, dude, it doesn't matter.
02:56:20.020
Let me just put into perspective what women are actually having to deal with.
02:56:24.020
That's a completely different conversation if you want to derail it.
02:56:29.720
You're talking about paternity, raising a child.
02:56:35.760
We can have a conversation about abortion, but...
02:56:38.100
I'm just going to open up the table because I feel like I'm talking a lot, and I feel
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like there's other opinions that should be there.
02:56:42.720
Well, it's a good time to say that because I need to go back to the Super Chats here.
02:56:51.980
Are you genuinely, like, scared of that happening in your life?
02:57:00.360
You guys are laughing right now at something that absolutely fucking crushes men.
02:57:05.440
I would never dare to laugh at, for example, a woman getting raped.
02:57:09.680
And look, I know they're different, but I would never laugh at something that hurts women
02:57:15.680
on such a deep level, and for you guys to laugh about paternity fraud is shocking.
02:57:22.120
There's not much else I can hurt a man deeper than that.
02:57:24.880
Yeah, it's just an honorable thing to happen, but what are the chances?
02:57:29.320
The chances of any of us getting sexually assaulted is through the roof compared to that.
02:57:40.040
But you're bringing up male victimhood this whole time, and yes, there are male issues.
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In high numbers, it's horrible, but you can't compare male victimhood and not allow us to
02:57:52.220
No, no, no, no, no, but we were speaking about a very specific thing.
02:57:55.280
I wasn't saying, because of this one thing, that men have it worse than women.
02:58:02.400
I'm perfectly prepared to make that argument, however, but by bringing up its whataboutism,
02:58:10.440
if I'm talking about something that affects men, you can't just say, well, women get raped.
02:58:16.060
Yes, they do, but that's irrelevant to the conversation.
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Okay, my reaction to the paternity thing is that it's absolutely horrible.
02:58:25.880
The women that are doing that are terrible people and should face the consequences of that, and
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the males who are raising the children should know, and there should be paternity tests at
02:58:45.560
It's not like something that makes it okay to say that a woman's body count is the most
02:58:55.000
I'm giving you one of many reasons as to why men care about body count.
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I've given you some reasons that men can intellectualize.
02:59:07.080
The more partners you've had, the more likelihood you are to have an STD.
02:59:13.560
I guarantee you, I don't know if any of you have herpes, but if you were to get herpes,
02:59:18.460
I doubt you would be so quick to defend promiscuity and having a high body count.
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I don't think it's good to be promiscuous or have a high body count.
02:59:31.080
I was talking about paternity fraud because it's related to why men care about body count
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Because women don't have this fear of being victims of paternity fraud.
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And it's also another reason why a man would rather end up with a virgin wife than somebody
02:59:53.640
Because you will never have to worry about if that child is yours.
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There's so many men that raise children 10 years old and they don't ever take a paternity
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On the paternity test thing, because of modern science, an invention of modern science does
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not undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
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But just because there's paternity tests, it doesn't undo the fear.
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You can have the fear just like we have a deep fear walking outside of being raped.
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That was the only thing that I compared it to, the fear.
03:00:39.080
Well, just because they have children involved doesn't mean...
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This all came up because I was giving you reasons why body count matters.
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Wouldn't you be a little bit worried if they were a liar and a cheater?
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Because y'all already said you preferred the cheating girl with a body count of six.
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There's still a lower chance of that woman with six who's cheated on some past exes.
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There's still a lower chance that they will have a paternity issue than a woman who's been with 30 men.
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I'm not having, like, 18 men's sperm inside me waiting just at any moment to come out.
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Like, a couple years ago, like, six, seven years ago, I went on, like, a, like, whole phase.
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Um, and, like, me, as a person who isn't cheating, who has a higher number,
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I think that it would say more about how that person is currently, like, dating and having sex
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Like, if I slept with a certain number of people,
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that's not gonna affect whether or not I'm gonna cheat on you with another dude and have their baby.
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And the girl that cheats on, and cheats and sleeps with other husbands,
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than somebody who, in their past, had a whole phase and is now dedicated to you.
03:02:34.780
But giving us these hypothetical scenarios where there's this girl who's a cheater...
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Giving us a hypothetical situation where there's 30 babies for one man?
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well, shouldn't you care less about body count?
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Aren't there other things that you can care about, too?
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But just because we care about one thing doesn't mean we don't care about other things also.
03:03:15.020
Like, body count has been the entire conversation.
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And it's just like, why not talk about all the other things that men and women have to bring to the table and discuss them?
03:03:34.380
Beaten Cheeks, thank you for the $20 Super Chat.
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I'm 5'8", 161 pounds, disease-free, successful, own a cabin on Gold Lake and Leech Lake, Minnesota.
03:03:58.720
Uh, Gareth Pickford, thank you for the Australian $30, man.
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Would girls be offended on first date if you guys asked you a series of direct questions?
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This is, like, seven questions in one soup chat.
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We'll do one just because we got to get through these chats.
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Would you be offended on first date if a guy asked you a series of direct...
03:04:44.500
So, would you be offended if a guy asked you these questions?
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If you're on OF, you have guilt by association, irrespective of your content.
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Selling your morals, dignity, and your future prospects will yield nothing more than the
03:05:37.840
Why is it that when a man talks about a girl in not-so-good light, they think we hate them?
03:05:41.920
I'm sure that I can speak for most guys when I say you can do it, but we will judge.
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Feminism Society lied to women and turned them into the masculine, independent man.
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Most men do not care about your career, money, status.
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Being feminine, fit, submissive, wanting to be a wife, mum, mum, keeps us.
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I don't know if we go around the table on this one, but yeah, I mean, I think, you know,
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you guys kind of criticized me a little bit for having, like, a lot of being very picky,
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but, like, it really comes down for me a few things.
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Peace is very big because I'm already stressed enough dealing with fucking life and business
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The last thing I want to deal with or go home to is a combative woman.
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I think that if I could give any advice to a girl is not to be combative with your partner.
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So you don't want your girl pulling 30K on OnlyFans a month?
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To me, like, it's not like if a girl is making her own money, like, good.
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Right, because I'd say that attributes to the peace.
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Actually, not necessarily because, honestly, to, like, the corporate world is super fucking cutthroat.
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To be a business owner is super fucking difficult and stressful.
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Like, being self-employed for over 10 years, like, it's fucking stressful and there's bullshit.
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And especially the corporate world, there's fucking backstabbing.
03:07:53.160
And to be, like, hyper-successful, it requires a certain degree of tenacity that is probably going to seep into your, like, how you are personally.
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Not always, but, like, I've dated attorneys, for example, litigation attorneys.
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We'd rather have a woman that gives us peace that works at RVs than a super successful CEO.
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Oh, yeah, give me the, uh, I'll date, like, an attractive girl that works at Starbucks, at McDonald's, even if I'm substantially out-earning her.
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Like, a woman's money, like, if she makes it great and she's still cool, that's totally fine.
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But, like, I don't, it's not going to make a girl, if she's a doctor, it doesn't make her, like, more attractive.
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So being goal-oriented and ambitious isn't attractive.
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We don't really necessarily care about that from the woman.
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But in terms of making you more attractive to us, in the same way that, like, for example, a lot of girls would say, a guy who's a doctor, he's a catch.
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A girl who's a doctor or a girl who's a barista, if you're nice, if we like you, it doesn't...
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Although the one thing, the argument I could say for that in your favor would be if she was a doctor, she would have to be significantly smarter than the average woman, and I would find that attractive.
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I mean, if you had the goal to seek out intelligence and education, then, you know...
03:09:54.060
Well, and then the other thing I would add to this is, as far as a woman's ambition and, subsequently, her earning potential or her current earning status, women do not share their resources with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
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Women do not spoil men, generally speaking here, the same way that men will spoil women.
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Hey, there's some simp chicks out there, but, like, women do not, like...
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Some of you guys were kind of with the first date thing, whatever.
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We've had girls come on the show and say, the guy should pay.
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Well, of course, if you're expecting the guy to pay, then the money you're bringing to the relationship is fucking irrelevant if you expect us to pay for anything anyways.
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She told me, well, I really, even though I'm, like, independent, I'm an independent boss babe, strong, independent, I really like chivalry, and I really like a guy who'll take care of me and take me on dates.
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Why should a guy pay for you under these circumstances?
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So it's, like, even when women do make a ton of money, they still aren't, like, paying like that.
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Like, for example, one of my past relationships, he had, like, $5 in his bank account.
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Like, he's a great person, but who's paying when we went out?
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Even when I hang out with him now, I like to help him out.
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You know, I don't have a ton of money, but I have more than him.
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Well, I think you're being taken advantage of, but, I mean, the exception really doesn't make the rule, and I guess I could prove this sort of like this.
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Has a guy ever offered to fly you out somewhere in your DMs?
03:12:09.200
No, but the person I'm talking to is flying here to see me.
03:12:14.620
You've been offered to be flown out multiple times, maybe?
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You might not take them up on it, but you get the offer, correct?
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Guys don't get flown offers to be flown out by girls.
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That's the length to which men are prepared to spend resources to get women.
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I mean, I'm talking, these are guys who offer to fly you out probably are not guys that you've met before, I'm assuming.
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Sure, I don't take them up on their offer, but, yes.
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What is the most, what is the most extravagant date a guy has ever proposed or taken you out on?
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Well, someone knew I was really interested in going to Korea, and so they were like, let me take you on a trip for like three weeks, you know, all inclusion.
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Actually, we met him, he came to see me at one of the conventions.
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I know you guys are in college, so it's like maybe the guys probably aren't, you know, going crazy.
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Well, my Minnesota boy took me to Sushi Train, and we dropped like $200, I think.
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Trust me, I offered, but no, he wouldn't let me.
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There's not a lot of 18-year-old women that are taking men out on dates for $200.
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When I lived in Miami, I had a guy take me on a yacht, which was.
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I feel like dates, like, it's, like, not a thing anymore, I swear.
03:14:44.160
Yeah, and, like, especially, like, in high school, it's, like, not a thing, you know?
03:14:54.580
See, I didn't go on many dates, either, until after high school, college.
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The real world is when you start going on date dates.
03:15:12.640
I've been incredibly toxic this entire night, so maybe you're thoroughly put off by my.
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These people in the chats already think I'm for the streets.
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I don't go on dates with guys who don't know my name.
03:16:14.760
To be fair, to be fair, there's one, two, three, four, five, six of you, you know?
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So, I haven't committed your names to memories.
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Would you actually go around the table and say our names if you tried?
03:16:29.280
I mean, you guys gave, like, weird waifu anime names.
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Honestly, the only girl's name who I remember is Tay.
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I just, for some reason, I think it's your Instagram because it's just Tay or something.
03:16:58.140
I think I just, like, got my wires twisted, you know?
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You should have just asked her to go to Starbucks with you.
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I pick that, personally, the Dianas of the world.
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When I lived in Miami, I had a guy take me on a yacht, which was fun.
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I can't really explain too much about it, but it was, like...
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I would say, altogether, the date was, like, 600?
03:18:10.940
I've had probably over, I don't know, a ton of first dates, 33.
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Okay, so, just to bring it back to my original thing.
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That's why a woman's money doesn't fucking matter, because you don't share your resources with
03:18:38.180
You said a guy spent $600 on you on the first date.
03:18:40.860
What's the most extravagant date that you took a guy on, and how much did it cost?
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Not like your boyfriend that you've been with for two years.
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No, there's been guys that weren't my boyfriends that I've spent money on.
03:18:58.540
Okay, that's less than the most that a guy has spent on you.
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It's still significant, but I can tell you this.
03:19:09.060
The vast majority of guys, even really attractive guys, have never had those similar experiences.
03:19:16.500
Women don't spend money on men the same way that men spend money on women.
03:19:25.660
Is your love language receiving material things, and have you communicated that to the
03:19:32.280
Because maybe they're trying to give you love in different ways.
03:19:35.200
Like, for example, I'm a person who likes to touch and hug people.
03:19:39.080
I mean, I think he's just saying that, in general, it doesn't happen.
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Even if his love language was number one, gifts, he's not going to get them.
03:19:48.020
Yeah, it doesn't matter what your love language is.
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I feel like there's just a notion behind men that they want to show their wealth to women.
03:20:04.420
And girls take that, and it's like, okay, well, like, we don't really necessarily have
03:20:10.920
I'm sure there's a great percentage of women who will do it, and, like, in the future,
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But I feel like just men, in general, just like to show their wealth.
03:20:20.340
But the conversation was, like, why men don't really value a woman's ambition or her career.
03:20:28.980
It's, I mean, there's a bunch of regions, but we don't reap any benefit, so why would
03:20:40.140
If a guy's a high earner, you're probably going to see a little bit of that in some way.
03:20:45.820
Well, and also, I feel like there's a lot of men that are jaded, too, that they're used
03:20:50.400
So when they do, like, it's a double-edged sword, because there's guys that I have done
03:20:53.440
nice things for in the past, they've paid for things, and they were almost taken back
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in an offensive type way, and they're like, no, women don't spend money on me, or they
03:21:03.440
don't receive gifts well, because they're not used to it.
03:21:05.780
Maybe they just don't like getting things bought for them.
03:21:08.780
Even guys that, it's not even about them wanting or not wanting things bought, they just
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don't receive it well, because societally, maybe they haven't received it in the past.
03:21:24.700
I've really got to get caught up on this superchats here.
03:21:38.080
Ninja Smokehouse, thank you for the $20 superchat.
03:21:40.740
She basically wants you to date as if you're a woman.
03:21:43.080
Ignore your preferences, because it's not worth focusing on your past matter, because as a
03:21:47.860
man, it shows us how you think and the potential future we will, may have together.
03:21:56.140
Attraction between the sexes is a weighted sum.
03:21:58.720
The factors may be the same, but the weights are different.
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My bona fides, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right.
03:22:13.280
We do anthropological studies across the globe.
03:22:16.600
Ladies, the number of sexual partners you have will directly affect your future relationships.
03:22:27.440
Girls, as you value, prefer, ambition, discipline, and drive goals in men, ETV, or maybe et cetera.
03:22:32.980
Men care about the thought processes used by women for who they select to be with and why the core variability is morality.
03:22:49.860
They think just because most women don't care about a man's body count that men shouldn't.
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Just like women think men think men care about their income because they care about a man's income.
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Yo, Alto Clef TV, thank you for the $20 superchat.
03:23:08.680
The fact that you put such a high value to stuff like virginity and putting aside the emotional aspect of a relationship is the most incel take I've heard.
03:23:23.360
I mean, you can say that, Alto Clef TV, but I think we found one of the OnlyFans subs here for one of the girls.
03:23:38.960
You guys were looking at each other a little bit.
03:23:45.820
Putting aside the emotional aspect of a relationship, bruv, I don't think you listened.
03:23:51.920
Body count is not the sole thing that we care about.
03:23:55.580
You can care about something and it not be the only thing you care about.
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Like, it's the biggest thing you think about and talk about all the time.
03:24:17.200
It's an interesting thing to certainly discuss.
03:24:23.540
Sure, but I have a very low body count, but I'm still saying that it's okay to have a high body count for women.
03:24:29.840
Like, women who even aren't promiscuous are prepared to defend promiscuity.
03:24:34.940
Because it should be fine for everyone to be promiscuous.
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As a woman, you're free to do whatever you want.
03:24:45.900
If you want to sleep with seven new guys a week, do it.
03:24:49.140
Right, and you're free to not choose a woman who does that.
03:24:51.400
Yes, that's the point I'm about to make is I can choose not to deal with you because you're promiscuous.
03:24:57.520
Right, but then are you going to spend your entire career talking about how you are choosing women who aren't promiscuous and looking for women who aren't promiscuous instead of just going out there and, like, finding who you actually click with and not thinking about all these extra curricular things.
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Well, I mean, it's my podcast show and it happens to come up.
03:25:16.500
I will continue to talk about body count because women continue to come on the show and seem to have...
03:25:21.000
If I ask them if there's one thing that they quarrel with in terms of men's preferences, they're like, why do you guys judge body count?
03:25:31.280
The chat wants to talk about it, so I'll continue to talk about it, but I mean...
03:25:36.360
And another thing about that is if you are promiscuous, not only can we smell it a mile away, I think I read that earlier, but we know you're not only promiscuous for us and with us.
03:25:45.920
Look, here's another reason why body count matters.
03:25:49.740
If a girl's kind of sleeping around, my impression there is she's not relationship material.
03:25:57.660
She honestly necessarily is not relationship material.
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Like, you're not interested in a relationship if you're sleeping around with multiple people.
03:26:09.560
May I just say that, like, I had a really good friend, not this one, a different one,
03:26:14.980
who was trying to find, like, a serious relationship.
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She was sleeping with other people because she wanted to see how the sex was before continuing on down the line of a serious relationship.
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And I think that's what a lot of women with a slightly higher body count have right now,
03:26:30.200
is that they're meeting a lot of men who they're sleeping with, and then the men ghost them or whatever,
03:26:35.780
and they have no choice but to then have that body count.
03:26:38.220
Maybe they thought it was going to be a relationship.
03:26:41.380
But they get ghosted, guy moves on to the next girl, and they have to move on.
03:26:45.480
In order to find that end partner who's going to click with you on all aspects, sexuality, intimacy, intelligence, you have to try.
03:26:54.060
I was just lucky that, you know, or maybe unlucky, that I find it really hard to get intimate with people who I'm not close with.
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But, like, other people don't, so why should they be put down for that?
03:27:04.760
I don't necessarily think that, and I don't think I said that they should be put down.
03:27:12.040
I'm saying that for me and for a lot of men, if a woman is promiscuous, she's probably not a good bet for a long-term relationship.
03:27:22.660
But are you talking about, like, past or present?
03:27:28.560
That doesn't make sense, because you could have, like, a ho phase, like, what, three years ago, and then you're ready to settle.
03:27:35.080
That doesn't, like, mean that you're not ready to commit if you had a ho phase, you know?
03:27:40.700
If you've had a ho phase, that's a bit of a red flag.
03:27:43.460
But, like, you had, and, like, you know, like, everyone, like, needs to look around before they settle for a relationship.
03:27:49.900
But it kind of just goes back, just because something's in your past.
03:27:52.760
I mean, again, if I can bring up this example, if I found out that a girl cheated on every...
03:28:00.100
Or if you found out that a guy cheated on every single one of his exes, even though that was in the past, you're still going to be, like, that's going to raise an eyebrow.
03:28:15.220
Would you date a guy who previously slept with prostitutes?
03:28:22.060
If he's clean, and he hasn't done it for a very long time, and he tests clean, and he tells me, look, this was my past...
03:28:29.460
He was sleeping with a whole bunch of prostitutes.
03:28:31.740
He's clean, but he was sleeping with prostitutes.
03:28:35.260
I would want it to be, like, three years ago, maybe more.
03:28:37.560
But, like, if he's moved on from that life, like, say you are dating a recovered drug addict.
03:28:44.560
Are you going to put it against them for using...
03:28:55.380
As someone who doesn't do any drugs, who hasn't done...
03:29:00.460
I haven't smoked weed since the Bush administration.
03:29:05.440
If someone was previously addicted to heroin, for example...
03:29:13.840
However, it doesn't mean that they are, like, cursed, you know?
03:29:18.500
Like, it doesn't mean that they are a low-value person or something.
03:29:21.180
If they're recovered and fully living their lives moved on.
03:29:25.200
It precludes them from having a relationship with me.
03:29:40.300
You're looking for something very specific, right?
03:29:49.640
I mean, he's looking for a low body count, 411 virgin.
03:30:07.380
But then you're coming on your podcast and you're kind of calling out women for looking for specific
03:30:19.060
I acknowledge that women, generally speaking, have a preference for tall men.
03:30:26.360
Women want to say, you shouldn't care about body count or body count doesn't matter.
03:30:31.580
You might be dissatisfied with the fact that men care about body count.
03:30:36.620
But women seem to want to refuse the idea that it ought to matter and does matter for men.
03:30:45.900
And I certainly acknowledge that women are much pickier than men are.
03:30:53.540
It's a concept as a whole in the zeitgeist right now.
03:30:58.940
And I think that it's not as important as people make it.
03:31:01.780
I think there's so much more to a relationship.
03:31:03.940
Being a good mom is like the most important thing you should look for if you want to have kids.
03:31:10.140
If you want to have kids, you should be looking for somebody who's going to be a good mom.
03:31:15.680
Who's going to be able to feed, take care, dress my kids and make them look perfect.
03:31:20.960
Make me happy at the end of the day when I come home from work.
03:31:24.580
And it doesn't mean if she had eight sexual partners before or something that she's going to be a bad mother.
03:31:29.740
I don't disagree with you that you have to look at the totality of the person.
03:31:43.980
So because you said girls are more picky than guys.
03:31:47.140
But so it's like you're not going to date just anybody.
03:31:51.240
So what if like a girl goes on a date, doesn't really vibe with the person, and then gets a call from like an old hookup.
03:31:59.160
She takes the offer, hooks up with him, goes on another date, doesn't vibe, like does the same thing.
03:32:05.880
Because she's just looking for the right person but is hooking up in between those dates.
03:32:12.300
It could be the same person or it could be two different people.
03:32:15.180
Look, I think people are free to do whatever they want.
03:32:17.940
But my personal take is, is that I think that for both men and women, if you're sleeping with someone, that should be to some degree purposeful.
03:32:36.740
Some people are content being in situationships for nine months and then it ending and the commitment phobia, people are fine with it.
03:32:47.400
But for me, I think if you're sleeping with someone, you should at least have an intention to pursue something serious with them.
03:32:55.480
So, so, but your question is, would it be a turn off for me if a girl is going on dates and not feeling the vibe, which that whole vibe thing is another conversation.
03:33:13.480
I think whoever you're sleeping with, I think you should just be sleeping with one person at a time.
03:33:19.480
I don't think you should be dating and hooking up with another guy at the same time.
03:33:35.540
But what if you don't find a guy for like a year?
03:33:38.260
And then you're just not having sex for a whole year.
03:33:40.900
Like I'd say like if you like can't properly find a guy that you want to date and have sex with for like a year.
03:33:47.480
That means you're saying that the girl should be celibate for a whole year, basically.
03:33:59.760
I mean, I'd prefer you don't do it with five, six, seven, eight men.
03:34:03.360
If you had one or two in that 12-month period, okay.
03:34:15.640
If you want to do a hookup, you want to engage in hookup culture, I don't think it's particularly rewarding.
03:34:21.280
I don't think people are particularly happy with it.
03:34:23.500
But if you want to do it, if it satisfies a short-term pleasure-seeking thing in you, then you're free to do it.
03:34:31.860
But I think people ought to, as far as who they have sex with, I think you should be angling to pursue something seriously with that person.
03:34:47.760
Well, I can think of reasons why to have sex, but to me, I think it's...
03:34:53.400
I mean, you're just going to rack up your body count and...
03:35:00.020
I think the woman should always, if they're getting sexual with somebody, they should always be trying to angle it into a relationship.
03:35:08.220
Now, when that comes to a man, you could say that sex is to say opposite, but a man's going to sleep around and not care about the possibility of a relationship, but a woman, I think, always should.
03:35:21.440
If she's going to be promiscuous and open her legs, they should be always in mind of a relationship.
03:35:28.580
Ultimately, what I would like is, if I'm going on a first date with a girl, come properly single.
03:35:38.900
Don't be fucking a guy here and fucking this guy and, like, talking to these three dudes over here.
03:35:46.960
If I find out that I'm not the only one, and obviously, you're never really the only one these days, but the moment you find out, you're gone.
03:35:59.960
If you didn't drop everybody after you met me, then goodbye.
03:36:14.160
And I don't know if, like I said, if I find out, or like Cade said, excuse me, if I find out that I'm seeing you and we have sex and you're fucking another guy, it's done.
03:36:29.060
Maybe you're okay with seeing multiple guys at the same time.
03:36:32.080
But for me, it's just, it is the thought of sleeping with a girl, and maybe you guys might relate, because maybe the thought of you guys sleeping with a guy who just fucked a girl three hours earlier might, in your stomach, might give you a little disgust.
03:36:49.440
But I don't care what he's done 10 years, five years ago.
03:36:55.400
I care if he's fucking another girl, you know, right now, this week.
03:37:03.320
But if he slept around, you know, if he had a whole phase, I wouldn't necessarily care, as long as he's way past that and ready to commit.
03:37:10.300
And I don't understand why it's different, frankly.
03:37:12.600
I think you guys go back to, like, evolution and lizard brain, and I understand that that's your preference.
03:37:18.980
But I just don't think that, like, it should be, like, societally that girls need to have a lower count and guys don't have to care.
03:37:28.860
Because to me, sex is more than just sport fucking.
03:37:34.200
If you fucked a hundred people, I don't care if it's in your past, you have detached intimacy from the act of sex.
03:37:57.380
And now you're going to have a harder time bonding with anybody in the future.
03:38:01.840
You're going to have a harder time pair bonding, and you're going to bring, it's also baggage.
03:38:06.260
Like, the more past partners you've had, you're coming with more baggage.
03:38:16.600
I mean, it depends on how mature the woman is at 19, 20.
03:38:20.200
But it is hard to have a relationship with somebody that young.
03:38:23.200
But I do think it is better to date somebody with less bodies, with less time in the dating market,
03:38:28.480
because that way you're dealing with less baggage.
03:38:33.640
See, men, if they have trauma in their life, they use that trauma to become a better man.
03:38:38.140
Women that have trauma in their life, it makes them, it makes it harder for them to go through life.
03:38:44.100
Women that have trauma, it's hard for them to get past.
03:38:46.980
Men that have trauma, it molds you into a bigger, better man.
03:38:54.240
As someone who's experienced a lot of trauma, that's a really interesting thing to say.
03:39:00.220
So, I'm not sure exactly where I stand on this, but what you're saying is, men's trauma makes them.
03:39:11.960
The mentality works the same for men and women.
03:39:14.260
Like, I feel like trauma can also make a woman stronger.
03:39:17.180
When is the last time, when is the last time that a woman has, is a grape victim?
03:39:23.240
Maybe she's gotten, maybe she's gotten grape multiple times, and, but that trauma is going to follow her for the rest of her life.
03:39:30.340
I don't think you could say the same thing about a man.
03:39:38.980
Okay, on the topics of body counts and stuff, and you talked about having a certain amount of partners.
03:39:47.060
What if a woman experienced at any point in her life, whether it be at a young age or recently, she was affected by, like, sexual abuse in any type of way, and that affected her detachment from intimacy?
03:40:01.000
Is that going to make you think differently about her body count now?
03:40:09.900
Because of the sexual abuse that she received, and it created detachment to intimacy when it comes to sex.
03:40:21.100
It's still going to make it harder to date them.
03:40:22.580
It's still going to make it harder for them to be a wife.
03:40:32.540
We don't have to go through and talk about trauma.
03:40:36.080
But who do you know in your life that, as a female, has gone through a lot of trauma and came out ten times stronger from it?
03:40:50.160
Let's maybe move away from the grape topic, but...
03:40:55.080
Could you be physically assaulted and then come out ten times stronger, buddy?
03:40:59.760
One thing I noticed about the whole trauma thing is that...
03:41:03.720
Let's talk about within the context of breakups.
03:41:11.140
When a guy gets either dumped or curved or rejected by a girl, he's like, I'm gonna fucking hit the gym.
03:41:19.740
And then when a girl gets dumped, when a girl gets dumped by a guy or some shit, it's like, ho-fez, boom.
03:41:40.280
A lot of women like to immediately change their hair after a breakup.
03:41:47.560
All right, we do have to get these Super Chats out of the way just so we can wrap up here pretty soon.
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Because this is what triggered this conversation once again.
03:42:10.640
Up until very recently, alto clef, TV, whatever the...
03:42:21.360
It's not until the 60s or so when that went out the window.
03:42:26.780
So, men throughout all human history have valued female innocence and female virginity.
03:42:38.260
Here in the West, which up until very recently has been a Christian, Christian...
03:43:00.940
Because of oxytocin and estrogen, the more partners you have adulterates your femininity.
03:43:05.040
It makes you more jaded, disconnected, pessimistic.
03:43:10.280
That's how trauma acts through the filter of testosterone versus estrogen.
03:43:14.600
This is all backed up by scientific studies and biology.
03:43:26.940
Men focusing on body count is justifiably valid because we look at your lack of mental and moral fortitude.
03:43:32.760
That indiscriminate behavior shows she will lack virtuous conviction when it comes to us and our children slash family name.
03:43:44.440
I don't know if you're still in the chat, but shout out to you, dude.
03:43:46.300
You've been supporting us so much these past few shows.
03:43:55.880
Just understand that men don't want to commit to women like that, mainly because we can't trust that the kids are ours, plus committing to a known 304 lowers our status amongst other men.
03:44:07.180
I think one of the big things that men want out of life...
03:44:09.500
I don't know if a lot of people or I guess a lot of women know what men want.
03:44:16.680
And one of the big things men want is respect and status.
03:44:20.780
And if our buddy knows that we're dating a girl that's slept with a lot of people, like, that will lower our status.
03:44:30.020
I mean, just to add to one of the other things.
03:44:41.820
Right, but if my man, like, fails and stuff, it doesn't make me feel like less of a woman.
03:44:46.620
Let me tell you another reason why women care about height.
03:44:49.880
It's not just an evolutionary biological thing because men who are taller or who are physically larger are more capable of protecting and providing for you.
03:45:02.420
Women will perhaps be ridiculed, oh, you're with a shorter guy?
03:45:06.740
I don't think that's right, but they might be ridiculed by their female friends or they might be looked down upon.
03:45:12.680
Just as much as men are going to look to align to men that will kind of bolster their status to a degree.
03:45:26.000
Women typically need a cosign from their female friends.
03:45:32.540
Women will seek advice from their female friends.
03:45:37.960
Whereas men, we don't need to go to our friends and be like, hey, what do you think of...
03:45:45.420
You say women will do this, women will do that.
03:45:50.700
If you don't ask for any advice, you don't be like, hey, this is my girl.
03:45:56.860
And that's another difference between men and women.
03:45:59.120
You guys share a lot of intimate details with your girlfriends, whereas we don't share anything about our girl.
03:46:11.320
Girls will disclose to even casual acquaintances the size of the dude's penis.
03:46:20.740
You guys are picking the lowest, worst fucking women you've interacted with and saying girls
03:46:32.920
I never mocked somebody's penis size with my friends.
03:46:36.500
I'm saying women will disclose very, very, very intimate details about a new partner.
03:46:48.580
With maturity, it's different, but, like, high school is so different.
03:46:51.720
I think it's a very immature man that would do that.
03:46:54.520
I think it's a very immature woman that would do that, too.
03:46:56.020
The amount of men that even tell their women friends about the girls that they've slept
03:47:00.300
with in full detail, what their insides feel like, how wet it was, all this stuff.
03:47:05.120
We're not telling them because we want validation.
03:47:12.940
We're not telling them because we want validation.
03:47:14.860
Then what do you want from telling other women or men about it?
03:47:17.320
We're not telling our friends about validation.
03:47:31.720
No, I can tell you right now, I can count on two hands, and I'm not exaggerating.
03:47:35.120
One bit, the amount of men that I've been friends with or that I've encountered in my
03:47:39.480
life that have talked about their sex life in full detail and women that they've fucked
03:47:58.000
Okay, I don't know how I'm going to frame this, but one in the chat, if you have never
03:48:14.680
They're already going to probably start saying one.
03:48:16.400
One in the chat, if you've never disclosed to a male friend intimate details-
03:48:29.300
I've had a man disclose to me intimate details about fucking a woman.
03:48:33.200
Just because you won't doesn't mean that other guys don't.
03:48:35.860
Just because I won't do it doesn't mean that other girls don't.
03:48:44.660
In general, my guy friends don't chat with their guy friends like I chat with my girlfriends.
03:48:50.440
In general, that's not the case with everybody, but I'd say that's a pretty valid point.
03:48:56.600
But I don't think girls are always asking for advice or validation.
03:49:01.120
There are times, yes, I have asked for validation, but there are also times where I just want
03:49:08.060
But if one of your girlfriends tells you, oh, he's kind of weird or something, it's done.
03:49:25.940
If any girl says, oh, I don't like him, we had a weird interaction five years ago, you
03:49:35.080
Diane's actually encouraged me multiple times to give guys a second chance.
03:49:40.940
Okay, but has she ever told you, stay away from that guy's no good?
03:49:52.160
Well, then that's totally valid, but men, we don't really need a co-sign.
03:49:59.240
For example, if we're going to go home with a girl or something, I don't go to bars, I
03:50:03.220
don't go to clubs, I don't drink, occasionally I'll have a beer or whatever once, maybe three
03:50:09.680
But if a guy's at the club with his boys and there's a girl he's talking to, he doesn't
03:50:16.360
need to check with his male friends and get the co-sign.
03:50:31.040
We're looking, we're like, we're showing our, the size of our balls basically.
03:50:36.840
While you women are like, should I go home with him?
03:50:40.240
Hey, do you think this guy's cute when you go to the bathroom?
03:50:43.780
And if they say no, there's a very good chance that you will not go home with him.
03:50:48.700
So you're basically saying that if, if your guys, if you're out with your guys and you're
03:50:57.940
talking to a girl and you're feeling her, right?
03:51:00.240
And you're going to take her home and the guys are like, oh man, I don't know if you
03:51:04.760
You're going to be like, dude, shut the fuck up.
03:51:07.760
But if the girlfriends say, I don't know, Becky.
03:51:10.080
I think it also comes from a safety precaution on our end too.
03:51:13.380
Because I'm not going to let my friend go home with somebody that see, that deems.
03:51:17.780
Throw the protection out, throw the safety out the window.
03:51:29.280
Is he good looking enough for you to go home with him?
03:51:31.400
But as a female, you always have to take safety.
03:51:35.060
That can be an entire different conversation by itself.
03:51:39.680
If you're talking about, if you cater to looks and only looks, if this discussion
03:51:43.260
is about the looks, if the girl says, hey, babe, I don't think he's good looking enough
03:51:48.340
for you, you're going to take that into consideration.
03:51:50.340
And you might not go home with him because of what your girlfriend thinks.
03:52:11.580
I've been to the clubs in LA and I've never once asked for any of my girlfriend's approvals
03:52:18.260
Well, I feel like we're getting away from, I don't even know what the original conversational
03:52:23.580
But I think it was something about the cosine and I don't remember.
03:52:53.580
Would you rather date a guy who is broke but you knew would be rich and a much better
03:52:57.720
man in five years or date a man that is already rich and has already worked on himself to be
03:53:05.000
Really quick, just quick response from everybody on this.
03:53:19.260
I mean, if he's already good, then the second one.
03:53:25.380
I've been on both ends of the spectrum, but I would rather with the first.
03:53:33.560
By the way, um, wait, if you were interested in a guy, how would you let him know that you're
03:53:37.360
By the way, guys, Chaz has been helping us out with the timestamps.
03:53:52.780
Uh, if you're interested in a guy, how would you let him know that you're interested?
03:54:03.920
I don't think, I think it's best not to beat around the bush.
03:54:23.060
How are you going to let him know that you're interested?
03:54:26.000
Are you just going to look at him for two seconds and then never look at him again the rest
03:54:29.260
Because I feel like that's how a lot of women convey their interest.
03:54:34.100
I don't, I would probably go off my instinct and how I felt in the moment.
03:54:38.480
Probably go up to him and approach him, introduce myself.
03:54:45.800
If I saw someone in a club, um, I feel like I would give them like some eyes and then they
03:54:55.320
I feel like I would make eye contact first and see if he's also reciprocating and then
03:55:03.460
Just like see if they look interested because I feel like guys are always doing that thing
03:55:07.480
where they're like scanning and then if they are like walk up and just have a normal conversation
03:55:24.260
Like at the state fair, how I met the guy I'm talking to right now.
03:55:33.600
I saw him and I walked up to him and we just started talking and that was it.
03:56:29.860
He seems more like a, uh, he seems more like a trilby type of guy.
03:57:02.700
And I just walked up to him and his friends and we just hit it off, you know?
03:57:15.960
Well, first off, I give you props for doing that.
03:57:32.420
Well, I was, I was going to say girls have dating on easy mode, but okay.
03:57:37.360
You walked up, you just said hi, and then he carried the rest of the conversation.
03:57:43.720
I think, you know, how it usually goes, hi, what's your name?
03:57:51.900
So had you spotted him before and then like you, you set it up in such a way that you would
03:58:04.320
When you, like, when you get a feeling, you get a feeling, I have to go for it.
03:58:13.900
Well, I met him, I met him in August, but we've just started to hang out.
03:58:21.280
I wouldn't say it's long distance because we're not.
03:58:31.780
Well, I mean, you are in, you are leading to what will inevitably.
03:58:36.840
A long distance situationship at the moment, right?
03:58:38.660
It will inevitably, inevitably be a long distance relationship if it does come to that.
03:58:51.020
Not necessarily, but it's not going to, the long distance part of it would be pretty
03:59:03.200
Just for reasons I'm not going to comment on, but.
03:59:07.780
I mean, he is flying out, like, I've known him, I've really known him for, no, for like
03:59:16.640
But then he goes back to Minnesota for a couple months.
03:59:19.660
And then I go back to Minnesota, so it's really not that long that we're not seeing
03:59:26.700
I think, I honestly see this as beneficial because, you know, when you're in that, like,
03:59:32.700
honeymoon bubble, like, stage with someone, it's really easy to be infatuated with their
03:59:38.240
looks and, you know, the physical aspect of it.
03:59:50.160
Okay, but when you saw him, you did not walk up to him and introduce yourself and beeline
04:00:04.000
But that was the basis for, you walked up to him because I'm assuming you being so overt
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like that, you found him to be exceptionally attractive.
04:00:16.880
Well, so the physical attraction is already established.
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Yeah, but you wouldn't say that, like, when you're in the honeymoon stage with a girl,
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like, you don't get carried away with, like, I don't know, you like them so much because
04:00:29.400
they're right there, like, y'all can, like, cuddle and whatever.
04:00:34.020
When you just have to rely on personality, it really, like, puts the connection to the test.
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I'm actually kind of sort of talking to somebody on the other side of the country right now.
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But I do think it is important to test that physical, the physical part of the relationship.
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Like, you might, how long did you hang out in person before you left?
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As long as you, as long as you see that works out.
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Jake is going to be listening to this and he's like, fuck yeah.
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Don't nobody go through her Instagram and find the Jake.
04:01:48.320
Long distance, long distance relationships are L's, I think.
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My first relationship started long distance and it ended up being three and a half years.
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You see why I don't give out personal information?
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Would you say talking to someone is in a relationship?
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But I think if you've had a conversation about exclusivity, there is. . .
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I feel like people are just unwilling to put labels on things nowadays because they want
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That will actually end a relationship if you want to put a label on it too fast.
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But I think you have to feel the personality and get to know them first.
04:03:40.260
Let's say you want, like, hey, I want to be exclusive with you.
04:03:43.240
If you ask to be exclusive too quick, that will give the girl the ick.
04:03:56.500
So a lot of you said that you have initiated with guys.
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What was your success rate for when you initiated?
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Yeah, so, like, let's say you go up to a guy and. . .
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I don't remember a time that somebody said no or anything like that
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or been overtly, like, I don't recall a time that I've overtly had an experience
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where it's been negative or someone was like, oh, don't talk to me
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Not that I can think of him at the top of my head.
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I don't feel like I make the first move that often.
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But when I have, yeah, I've never been turned down.
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My only rejection was a Spanish dude who had a girlfriend.
04:05:17.840
Because, of course, if you're going to get, well, it's not a given if he has a partner
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But you're more, yeah, you're going to get rejected if he has a partner.
04:05:30.640
But I'm two for two, like, in terms of success.
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But what about excluding that one, have you ever been rejected?
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But the funny thing is, if a girl goes and does that to me, let's say at the club,
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because that happens to me, like, more than you'd think, some of the girls come up, you
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Within 10 seconds, we'll just start making out with you.
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A man cannot just start randomly, go up to a girl he likes and just starts kissing.
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Even if you didn't want to kiss her in the first place, it's just going to happen.
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And I feel awkward in that moment to push her off and be rude because I don't want to be looking like a dick.
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Regardless, if I'm not interested in you, I don't really know how to handle that situation.
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I'm not going to be like, get the fuck off of me.
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I just bite my tongue and then disappear as fast as I can if I'm not interested.
04:06:57.420
What would you say your, because I think every single girl here said they have 100% success rate, basically.
04:07:04.480
What would you say your, like, on approach, your success rate is?
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Yeah, honestly, top tier guys, like, I think a good percentage is like 10%, 20%.
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So, me personally, I think women have dating on recruit mode.
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Do you think dating is harder for men or for women?
04:07:55.460
But I also, like, don't think you guys have ever had to take a picture of a man's ID and put your location on so you don't get ax murdered.
04:08:02.160
So, it's like, that's, well, that's not really the question.
04:08:05.460
But it's like, the quality of the men is, like, potentially lower.
04:08:10.640
So, like, you guys are pulling, but you're not like, is she going to murder me?
04:08:16.300
But I think, I mean, most, most dating experiences, they might not always be always pleasant.
04:08:24.980
But, I mean, that's, if we're talking about cherry picking here, most women do not get murdered in a dating context.
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Well, if we're talking statistics, I think that statistic has been debunked.
04:08:44.980
And the woman who did the study came out herself and said that it was wrong.
04:08:56.660
Out of, like, all of us, like, the people in our lives, like, most women I know have a story.
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So, those technically, with that being said, there should be at least one, two, three, four, five, six.
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I don't really want to go down the rabbit hole on this.
04:09:53.500
So, I guess the question was, do you think dating is easier for men or women?
04:09:59.220
It's easier for women to pull, but there's more concerns for women with the people that
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Women have more safety concerns when it comes to dating.
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Because if the question was, is interacting with the opposite sex...
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I think that there's, like, different sides to it, you know?
04:10:33.120
Like, yeah, women can get more dates, but the quality of men that I want to be in a relationship
04:10:48.800
I definitely think I agree with both these two ladies.
04:10:51.500
It is quality over quantity, and I think that there is a plethora of men to be able to
04:10:57.540
go on dates with, but very few that are relationship quality from my personal perspective.
04:11:03.080
Eric, can you pull up the cartoon really quick?
04:11:05.900
The sad thing is the guys that are good boyfriend quality are probably still stuck in your DMs
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They probably are, but you'll never know because you won't open their DMs.
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So, I mean, this is kind of like what I think about.
04:11:31.680
Like, I'm so lonely, but you have, like, all these dudes that would...
04:11:38.040
See, I don't know the specific details on the situation, but there was a woman who started
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a dating profile on one of these big apps and pretended that she was a man, used man pictures,
04:11:47.120
went for men just to see how it was for the men.
04:11:54.400
She would get extremely rude women just attacking her for no reason.
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Whether you're a low-value man or a high-value man, you will still get extremely disrespected.
04:12:09.420
Even as somebody who considers himself a high-value man, you don't even get your chance to show
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The men that I've talked to in my life that are trying to date right now, especially on
04:12:23.080
dating apps, are having such low success rates.
04:12:25.760
And it's like, actually, I'm seeing them emotionally deteriorate because of it.
04:12:44.040
And it is way harder for men just how it's set up right now, I think.
04:12:51.220
And I just use Instagram because Instagram is the greatest dating app in the world.
04:12:55.300
Instagram is the greatest dating app in the world.
04:12:57.060
And if you have your profile set up very well, and, I mean, anybody in the chat can go take
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But, like, I'd say I have a pretty good-looking account.
04:13:09.460
I'll still get completely disrespected, regardless of the way I look, regardless of my success
04:13:19.320
Eric, can you pull up the hypergamy charts in the infographics thing?
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So, I mean, this kind of explains what's happening in the dating marketplace right now.
04:13:38.600
So, on the left, you have whom men would happily partner with, and on the right, you have whom
04:13:48.880
And this kind of goes back to that video that we were looking at, is women are chasing after
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And we see this playing out on the dating apps, for example.
04:14:06.540
And the rest of the men, average men, the bottom 70% of men are severely struggling with
04:14:14.540
When it comes to dating apps, it's even more amplified because it's almost strictly physical
04:14:20.760
And women are going to start, are going to gravitate towards the most attractive men.
04:14:27.200
Women tend to date across, this is backed up by statistics, women date across and up
04:14:34.200
We sort of talked about this with finances before.
04:14:37.160
Women, generally speaking, want to date a guy who makes at least as much or more than
04:14:43.400
And men will date down, or sorry, down, across and down.
04:14:49.740
But, sorry, I didn't mean, were you going on something?
04:14:55.080
No, just about how it is actually way more difficult for men.
04:14:59.020
Yeah, I mean, my advice to average men is get off the dating apps because, oh yeah, don't
04:15:08.040
There are just these forums for men right now where they talk about the inability to get
04:15:15.100
And I think that, I think conversations like this are productive.
04:15:17.880
I think talking to other women, getting their voices heard, and explaining these really
04:15:23.660
core issues that men are having are really important.
04:15:26.200
But I think that, unfortunately, there's these forums where men are just taught to, like,
04:15:31.580
kind of hate women right now, and that all women are out to get them and stuff.
04:15:36.240
And so the internet can be a pretty dangerous place if you're really destitute and you're
04:15:40.020
really, like, angry at the dating apps and women in the current state of things.
04:15:43.900
Because it can send you down this rabbit hole of just hating women in general when you're
04:15:48.240
really frustrated with the way society is right now.
04:15:51.100
I don't think that's actually Jake, by the way.
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Hey, dating apps, though, for men, you are playing Russian roulette with your self-esteem.
04:16:18.160
Every chamber and cylinder is loaded as an average guy on a dating app.
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You're playing Russian roulette with your self-esteem.
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Martin, good lord, ladies, y'all rated your intellect as eight and above.
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Love how the OF model says we've grown out of women needing men, but then chooses willingly
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to leave a good-paying tech job for accepting tens of thousands of dollars from men.
04:17:06.100
I don't know if he heard the part where I said I make 10 times more a year now than I made
04:17:11.200
at my good-paying job where I could not afford an apartment in California, but yeah, totally.
04:17:19.580
Was he saying something about it compromising your values or something?
04:17:23.800
Oh, I don't remember, but he just said, why would I leave a good-paying tech job to do OnlyFans?
04:17:29.780
A lot more money, and I'm setting up my future, getting a house, setting up businesses, and
04:17:36.100
Didn't you say it's like, what, $30,000 a year?
04:17:56.740
Let's see here, we got, wait, oh, shit, I'm fucking up.
04:18:05.280
Yo, hey, if an item is good for MT and his healers, should MT have prio?
04:18:09.700
Also, ask the girls for two non-democratic countries for fun.
04:18:13.660
Yeah, so for the main tank and his healers, main tank and his healers?
04:18:19.080
Oh, are you talking like, I think, didn't they patch that in World of Warcraft where
04:18:23.840
like warriors with the diamond flask, like when they pop that trinket, right?
04:18:28.980
Like it's healing and the healing from the diamond flask was benefited by having plus
04:18:38.480
And so like main tanks would be rolling on healing plus healing items.
04:18:43.240
So, um, I don't think, I don't think that main tank should have prio on healing items, but
04:18:49.120
yeah, anyways, um, would any of you guys like date a fucking Chad gamer, like a DPS fucking
04:19:04.080
Um, he's in the top, top North American raiding guild, hardcore, like gamer, pumper, top parser.
04:19:16.980
Are you talking about all the people in Alex's DMs right now?
04:19:31.460
Okay, um, what about like, just, just really quick on that, um, would you date a guy who,
04:19:44.820
Would you date a guy that played World of Warcraft three hours a day?
04:20:01.840
But the reason why is because my standards are so high, like, you know.
04:20:16.440
I play, I screen video games on Twitch sometimes when I play.
04:20:31.740
Like, time-wise, like, they have to match my level of, like.
04:20:42.580
They need to love me, but they don't need my 24-7 time to be with them all the time.
04:20:51.480
And I want them to be attractive and have a good style and, you know, like, charismatic,
04:21:04.800
I'm like, I feel like I have a good amount of self-love, so, like, why would I settle
04:21:10.840
Okay, but how many men are actually realistically below that?
04:21:18.860
They stay single because they want to wait for the best man.
04:21:22.360
She just listed all qualities of good personality.
04:21:27.020
They were staying single waiting for a better man.
04:21:47.180
They would rather play Call of Duty and smoke weed and eat pizza.
04:22:02.600
Well, how do you know if they even are charismatic?
04:22:17.220
I think if those are your standards, then keep them.
04:22:25.140
I don't think you should settle just to date someone.
04:22:28.680
I mean, that's what the whole point of this conversation has been, not settling to date
04:22:33.920
You don't think you've ever found a man that's worth your time yet?
04:22:37.680
I think by 18, you don't have to, and you shouldn't have to.
04:22:50.680
Love yourself first before you take on anyone else's love.
04:22:54.800
But wait, can you just, one more time, can you just, what were the things you want again?
04:23:00.740
Let me just really rephrase this in a better way.
04:23:06.220
I'm not going to say, I don't even remember them.
04:23:16.840
Has like good time management, like productive.
04:23:25.360
What about his words per minute when he's typing?
04:24:00.960
What about, do you have any racial preferences?
04:24:07.940
Have you guys ever used the female delusional calculator?
04:24:23.140
Like people are people and it is hard to be perfect.
04:24:25.280
As long as they like fit my vibe and we get along well and he does things that make me happy.
04:24:34.100
Okay, nice, funny, good time management, good style, attractive, 5'7", not clingy, but gives you enough love.
04:24:43.080
So the height thing, I think that's most guys are going to be above 5'7", so you're okay there.
04:24:48.520
The funny part, so you said, wait, you said it's not that hard to be charismatic.
04:25:00.100
I feel like a lot of my guy friends, a lot of the guys that I know are pretty charismatic.
04:25:09.800
This is like girls, I already said this, but this is like girls saying just be confident.
04:25:15.900
Do you know how fucking hard it is to be funny?
04:25:20.280
It's hard to carry yourself with confidence, but it's usually something people can get down pretty quickly once they try.
04:25:28.160
Fake it till you make it kind of thing with confidence for sure.
04:25:29.860
That's convenient for women to say because we don't analyze a woman on her confidence.
04:25:35.280
I'm not talking about women, I'm talking about men right now.
04:25:36.580
No, but it's convenient for you guys to say when all of you said that your success rate when it comes to approaching men is 100%.
04:25:44.320
Whereas when men approach women, they get fucking brutally rejected.
04:25:49.180
Well, I think the difference is, sorry to interrupt you, but I think the difference is because I've only gone up to two guys.
04:25:56.840
Yeah, but I think that's the reason that we don't get rejected.
04:26:00.700
It's because we don't take that chance all the time.
04:26:02.660
There's never going to be a man that rejects you.
04:26:07.940
He has, if you're offering him what he thinks you're going to offer him, he'll take it.
04:26:18.360
Even a high value man is not going to turn down sex.
04:26:27.780
Let's say he's all of these, but he's not funny.
04:26:34.920
You don't think, how funny is, how important is being funny on that list for you?
04:26:46.140
If a Pete Davidson can pull an Emily Ratatouche guy, then I would say that's very important.
04:26:53.920
I will say, there are some things that will mask how attractive you are.
04:27:00.020
I will go for a guy who I don't think is my top, oh my god, attractiveness level, but
04:27:05.040
he's funny and he's really, really nice and he's smart.
04:27:10.220
But if he doesn't, then damn, he better be really hot.
04:27:15.780
Yeah, but I probably wouldn't even go for a guy who's really, really hot because he
04:27:18.480
probably doesn't even have any of those characteristics.
04:27:28.260
I would say most attractive guys, they would say they probably have a lot of confidence.
04:27:33.760
Which kind of goes hand in hand with being charismatic or having drive, which women really want in
04:27:46.680
They don't want a man that's just going to be a bum for the rest of his life.
04:27:51.200
So I'd say a confident, I'd say an attractive man already automatically has a lot of those
04:28:15.980
Women were the ones that voted not to have the right to vote.
04:28:24.380
Because it came with responsibilities like the draft, volunteer firefighter, owning land,
04:28:36.660
I think it's a very long response to that particular statement.
04:28:41.640
But I think that biology and evolution definitely play a part in our current interactions with
04:28:49.700
However, we as a society have developed far past that.
04:28:53.660
And in order for men and women to get along and for us to improve the current dating sphere
04:28:58.260
where men are feeling horribly rejected and feeling like anything they do could be counted
04:29:06.320
In order for us to fix that, we need to fix it as a whole.
04:29:11.580
Also, with this next soup chat that's coming up, a study was done around 2010, for example,
04:29:16.360
in the U.K. where 30% of women self-declared that it is morally acceptable to commit paternity
04:29:21.360
fraud and feminists actively oppose mandatory paternity testing.
04:29:33.940
Like, you, I think, I don't know exactly, but I think the woman has to agree to the paternity
04:29:47.120
Because apparently in France, luckily my parent, not the case for my parents, but paternity
04:29:56.200
So, they banned it, I guess, because it would fuck up and destroy a whole bunch of families
04:30:02.880
Eric, can you pull up, there was another study done where they didn't survey people.
04:30:08.660
They actually looked at a DNA analysis or something.
04:30:12.860
I don't know if you'll be able to find it, but they did a DNA analysis and something.
04:30:16.940
But they did do, discovered that, like, there is a pretty shocking amount of paternity fraud
04:30:26.100
So, I don't know if you're able to find that, but, and also the other thing I would add
04:30:29.900
is they've sequenced DNA and we can actually tell, we can compare the amount of women who
04:30:35.940
have been able to reproduce and the amount of men who have been able to reproduce.
04:30:39.880
And it's something like, I don't know if you can find the stats on that too, Eric.
04:30:43.200
I think it's, like, most women throughout history have reproduced, whereas, like, only,
04:30:48.640
like, 40% of men who have ever lived have reproduced.
04:31:20.100
I guess they're not going to have a paternity issue.
04:31:25.900
Yeah, in the United States, you can do it even if the woman doesn't agree.
04:31:29.580
Some have also suggested the reason for the ongoing ban is to preserve the peace in French
04:31:34.360
families with many incidents of people taking the test and discovering information such as
04:31:39.460
that one of their parents isn't actually theirs.
04:31:49.100
France is, as someone who has gone back to France a lot, I remember, here's the, I won't
04:31:55.560
stick too long on this topic because it's absolutely not dating related.
04:31:58.100
I remember going to the Eiffel Tower as a child.
04:32:03.020
There were no, I don't know if they're called gender maries, if there's any French people
04:32:09.980
There are, like, soldiers or police officers with guns all over the Eiffel Tower, like,
04:32:32.900
One of the many wise things Sharp DePee has said is that OnlyFans is a stepping stone to
04:32:52.340
I don't know about Sharp, but I've heard of Rich.
04:32:56.400
I'm going to be doing some more collaboration soon, guys.
04:33:07.080
Everyone is allowed to do as they please, but actions have consequences.
04:33:20.200
Yeah, I mean, there definitely seemed to have been a bit of pushback earlier on in the show
04:33:23.420
when I was talking about, like, hey, body count's a big deal, and you guys all really
04:33:26.140
seem, you're like, oh, Brian, you're really, I really don't ask for a lot in a girl.
04:33:31.520
Like, I don't really ask for that much, I think.
04:33:35.360
I mean, maybe in today's society, I'm asking for a lot, but.
04:33:53.540
So, it doesn't matter at all what she looks like?
04:34:04.160
Looks, like, not a huge, like, I care about looks, but it's not, like, small boobs, big
04:34:16.020
Looks is a factor, but it's kind of not super important to me.
04:34:24.480
As long as you're just fit, like, you know, you're not obese, you're not overweight, like,
04:34:30.180
don't really, not a major part of the calculus for me.
04:34:37.980
I would much rather date a woman who's, if we, you know, we were using the 1 to 10 rating
04:34:42.980
scale, give me a 5 who brings me peace, loyalty, and fidelity over a 10 that's going to be a
04:34:53.680
I don't want to put up with drama and bullshit and conflict and someone who's combative.
04:35:01.500
I will care far less about someone's physical appearance in, again, if she's a supermodel,
04:35:11.900
but she's a fucking headache and stresses me out and is promiscuous, not interested.
04:35:17.360
Okay, but what if she's all of the things that you want, but she has a bad history?
04:35:29.780
Like, she has every, the house is taken care of.
04:35:32.720
You know your kids are going to be taken care of, but then, you know, she has a past where
04:35:38.920
Is her history known to the public or just known by me?
04:35:41.440
Right, so you care more, like, if other people know about.
04:35:43.940
Because it's a status, it's a status thing, yeah.
04:35:47.260
It's important because the woman represents her man.
04:35:51.460
I've always wondered, you know, what the thoughts behind some of these statements are, so it's
04:35:58.680
If she had 10, but she brought me all that other stuff, I think that's probably okay.
04:36:05.220
See, because I think you guys say, like, low body count, nothing else, but then when
04:36:09.140
we talk about it and we really, like, discuss it, like, she would be a great mom and this
04:36:12.840
and that, and you'd love her, you're like, eh, you know, it's not that big of a deal.
04:36:16.940
But 10 isn't, like, for Southern, for California, like, 20, 30, like, insane numbers.
04:36:30.720
So, like, most of the women that are within my age cohort are going to be, I mean, I'm lucky.
04:36:38.120
Well, I would date an 18-year-old, but most of the women I don't, I'm not going to college
04:36:46.060
parties trolling for 19-year-old chicks, but would I...
04:37:00.140
Because body count counts more than, like, maturity and ability to hold down the household
04:37:14.720
And I'm probably going to get hate for saying this, but if you dated somebody younger, you
04:37:17.980
can actually kind of mold them into their life.
04:37:22.780
You can mold them into being the wife that you're wanting to find.
04:37:27.560
I believe in finding a person and then, like, you know, matching up with them because I
04:37:33.420
have the same foundational beliefs and goals as them.
04:37:37.380
And then we, you know, grow together and develop together and fix things about each other that
04:37:44.140
I don't believe in molding someone and making them become...
04:37:47.900
That's for you to do with your children, for sure.
04:37:53.760
I mean, do you guys want a guy who's a leader and decisive and confident?
04:38:07.860
It's a turnoff for women if the guy is indecisive about where he wants to eat, for example.
04:38:12.540
And I often hear women say, I don't know where I want to eat.
04:38:15.740
And I also hear women say, you know, it's really...
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It's like a green flag for me is I'm picking you up at this time.
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Like, for me, if a girl is indecisive, I don't...
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I mean, unless it's impacting me because I know how to lead.
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Being decisive doesn't really mean leading, though.
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They're not going to lead me into a decision in my career.
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But do you find it attractive when the man knows what he wants and what he wants for you and him?
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You find it attractive when the man takes lead.
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I mean, it depends if it's like a relationship.
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Yeah, if he is a man that's like, yeah, I want a relationship.
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But if he's like, we are going to live here in this state, blah, blah, blah.
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I will finish the soup chats and then we will wrap.
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We've been going for a long time, so I just got to wrap up on the soup chats.
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So if you want $50 and up from now, Eric, if you can just note that.
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Damn, what an insanely attractive group of people this show with Brian being on top of the attractiveness, of course.
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I think she's probably the most attractive man, but more men die from deleting themselves after a female initiated divorce than women whom are murdered by men.
04:40:25.860
Asar, with the $20 soup chat, the mind knows only what lies near the heart.
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How true is your heart when it comes to relationships?
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We all have seen you and let you tell us exactly how you feel.
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But, like, we're talking more so within the context of dating.
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Like, a woman can never be truly lonely in the way that a man can.
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Because a woman can go on a dating app and get some attention.
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It's a warm bed and a cuddle, and I think that's...
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I mean, it might not be the precise suitor in which you want, but...
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You guys are probably familiar with the term, like, incel and shit, right?
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Just either they're not particularly good-looking or they're struggling socially.
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And I don't think shaming them is the solution.
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There was a femcel subreddit where women were complaining that they were involuntarily celibate.
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And what ended up happening is they had to private the community because guys were messaging the girls saying,
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So even women who claim that they're involuntarily celibate, it's all bullshit.
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So you think it would fill the loneliness for her to respond to that Reddit message?
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Here, let's watch a Tate clip on this real quick.
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By the way, the previous Tate clip, that's from Fresh and Fit.
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I don't think most women can actually genuinely understand how lonely the majority of men are.
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As much as you might be unhappy with the possible suitors, you can at least fuck about and flirt if you feel sad.
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There are men out here in the world who have genuine loneliness.
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Okay, he's going to say something about people deleting themselves, but yo, shout out to Fresh and Fit for their, that's a clip from their podcast.
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What I thought that is, the statistic that I brought up earlier by 50% of women will be single by 2030, that's the woman's choice.
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Yeah, and as far as men being invisible, for example, any one of you girls, if we drop you at a party, I know you two are in college, I don't know if you're going to bars and clubs yet, we drop any of you at a bar, nightclub, you're going to get hit on.
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Guys are going to approach you one, two, three, four, five times a night, maybe more.
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A guy, I'll even give you this, your looks equivalent, if you want to imagine it, whatever your looks equivalent is, you drop him in the nightclub, nobody's going to talk to him the entire night.
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Also, a baddie who works at McDonald's, 19-year-old baddie who works at McDonald's, versus, let's bump it up a bit older, let's say a 24-year-old but good-looking girl who works at McDonald's, Arby's, I like roast beef.
04:45:10.720
Okay, well, let's not get into that right now, but versus a 24-year-old dude who works at McDonald's, girls are going to fuck.
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Girls aren't going to take him, like, he works at McDonald's, like, he might, but I mean, anyways, okay, let's get through these Super Chats, we only have a few more.
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All right, Calvin C., thank you, female guest, generalization, agree or no, playing video games for a couple hours is a waste of, oh, that reminds me, is a waste of time, but women watching shows for a couple of hours is a-okay.
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Wait, did everyone get to go around on the World of Warcraft, Chad?
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Like, would you date a guy who played World of Warcraft for three hours a day?
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Video games in general, video games in general.
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Years ago, I used to, I haven't played video games in three years, but a guy who, excuse me, here's the question.
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Would you date a guy who played World of Warcraft for three hours a day?
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Would, okay, would you date a guy who played World of Warcraft, Jesus Christ, would you date a guy who played World of Warcraft for three hours a day?
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Not if it was something that consumed his life.
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Um, yeah, I wouldn't care as long as it doesn't interfere with our relationship.
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I mean, if the rest of his shit's together, like, you do whatever you want to wind down.
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You'll be the only honest one on this one, I think.
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As long as it doesn't get in the way of our relationship and him being healthy, whatever.
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But if it's getting in the way, then it becomes a problem.
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We all have our vices if he's addicted to it and it's hurting him.
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It shouldn't continue, but if he's doing it for fun, it's fine.
04:47:09.540
Eric, can you pull up the, there's a Google image.
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See, the sad thing, when we first asked Taylor.
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But regardless, her first question was, is it for fun or is it for income?
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Well, if it's his job, then he has a reason to spend six hours a day.
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If I want to spend three hours of my free time a day.
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Everyone can choose what they do in their free time.
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Do you have six hours of free time, like, to play video games over, like, being with a girl?
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You get off at work at 10 p.m. and you play until 1 a.m.
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But the main problem was, was he playing the game for fun or for money?
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It was only important to you and okay with you initially if he was playing for money.
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Or did you mean, like, if it's his job, then he has a very valid reason to spend six or
04:48:49.040
I was trying to understand the question better.
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But, so is it okay if he does it for fun and he's not making any money of it and it's not
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I'm going to reiterate my answer, like I said last time.
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As long as it's not interfering with anything that he personally has going on, it's not detrimental
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to him or his mental health or our relationship.
04:49:13.040
Hey, Martin, thank you for all the support tonight, man.
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Start going to public places and learn to accept rejection.
04:49:37.300
You guys should just focus on yourselves and improving yourselves and dating.
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No, no, said from the, that's coming from a girl who does OnlyFans.
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You'll find some very pretty girls at grocery stores.
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You'll get rejected, but you'll also find some nice women there, too.
04:50:05.800
What advice would the ladies give to a 42-year-old recently divorced wanting to get back on the market?
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I mean, don't ask fish how to fish, but wait, did that make sense?
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You're never too old to get back into the dating scene.
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And I think the two girls here would say subscribe to their OnlyFans.
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I want to just say one comment about the money thing and kind of like why money doesn't care to me.
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So, my thing is, is I'm, my plan is to make enough money where I can support both of us.
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My goal is to retire, well, fingers crossed, but to have us both retired at 40 so that neither of us have to work.
04:51:12.460
We can just fucking travel and, you know, life partner, all that shit.
04:51:15.600
A guy who maybe has a standard job, because I'm a bit of an outlier in terms of my earning potential here, but a guy who has a normal job, it might be a bit more important to him as far as money goes because he's going to maybe want more of a 50-50, but the amount of money that I'm intending to make, my girl's not going to need to work.
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So, if she wants to, she can, but I don't really see the point of her having a, like a 40, slaving away at a $40,000 job when I could just be supporting the both of us.
04:51:50.440
But, anyways, we talked, this is one of our final things.
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We talked about body count quite substantially tonight.
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So, I think all of you said, or at least the impression I got was that body count should not matter or doesn't matter.
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I want to just go around the table, yes or no, on this.
04:52:18.000
I guess, well, since it's more so from the frame, maybe you guys don't care about the guy's body count, but should men not care about the women's body count?
04:52:30.800
If it's in the past and not extreme, I don't think it should matter that much.
04:52:34.640
So, how about just yes or no, should body count matter?
04:52:41.740
It's okay to have preferences, but it shouldn't be the only thing that you're valuing.
04:52:47.540
Can you just pop that off the water off the table?
04:52:54.000
Like, it definitely matters in certain instances, but I think that in general, like, someone who...
04:53:01.320
Like, someone who is, like, actively in a loyal relationship, they're not going out every week and, like, fucking a new guy, it shouldn't matter.
04:53:12.500
I mean, if they have been, like, a couple years ago, they saw the light and now they're at home playing World of Warcraft six hours a day instead, going to the clubs.
04:53:22.440
Like, you know, that's, I think, long enough that it says something about their growth as a person.
04:53:34.660
I think it's a double standard, so no, I don't think it should matter.
04:53:43.000
It's of the past and it has nothing to do with your current relationship.
04:53:45.880
Okay, so my next question is, I think almost all of you said body count shouldn't matter, doesn't matter.
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If body count doesn't matter, what's your body count?
04:53:56.280
It doesn't matter in a relationship, but I'm not going to say it here for my career-wise and, like, everything-wise.
04:54:07.460
That's something that I bring into a relationship.
04:54:13.480
Well, I think body count matters, so I wouldn't disclose it, but.
04:54:16.700
I don't think it matters in a relationship, but I'm not ready to tell the world.
04:54:19.980
I don't really care what, I don't want people to know what.
04:54:23.240
But if body count just shouldn't matter, it's just a social construct, if it's not a big deal, then you ought to be comfortable sharing it.
04:54:33.960
If I was a virgin, I wouldn't be saying to everyone that I meet on the street, hey, I'm a virgin.
04:54:38.420
Well, when asked the question, if you, I guess I'm saying, be the change you want to see in the world.
04:54:44.940
If body count doesn't matter, then you ought to be willing to share it.
04:54:51.960
But I've just said that I think body count matters, ergo, good word, by the way, I'm not going to share my body count.
04:55:05.840
Because if any one of you said, I think body count matters, I don't want to share it.
04:55:30.820
I think that there are some things that are best kept to yourself, and especially if there's
04:55:36.140
people in the room who are judgmental in either direction, I don't believe that it's important
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for them to know if, especially if we're not dating.
04:55:49.140
There's no point for me to share my body count.
04:56:05.020
Well, I mean, for those of you who refuse to share, I mean, I think, you know, you say
04:56:11.120
one thing about body count not being important and it doesn't matter yet.
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Deep down, I think deep down, your refusal to answer the question would indicate to me
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If I was talking to a guy one-on-one, that would be a different answer.
04:56:36.500
And then, very last thing here, you made a comment about the age thing, that I would
04:56:44.560
So, you take quarrel with that, or you take issue with that, or are you just curious, like,
04:56:56.000
Like, imagine taking home, like, going home to your parents' house, taking home an 18-year-old,
04:57:02.940
Well, what if she's a very family-oriented woman, and her priority is like, I know some
04:57:09.540
young girls that are like, I want to get married.
04:57:13.060
It's just like, the different life experiences you've had, I feel like there's no possible
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way y'all will be on the same level in maturity.
04:57:26.260
Like, as someone, okay, most of the women that I date are within a few years of me.
04:57:34.520
So, I'd say, I'm 33, so I'm dating mostly, like, I'd say women between 28, 29, 30, 31,
04:57:44.360
So, like, it's not like, oh, I'm hyper-fixated on dating younger women.
04:57:48.560
Would, do I find younger women the most, like, a 21-year-old the most physically attractive?
04:57:59.520
That's another, that's another conversation to be had.
04:58:01.880
But you talked about maturity, and I can tell you, having dated professional women, career women, bro, I deal with the same bullshit at all ages.
04:58:16.980
Like, I know both of you are a bit young, but I guarantee you, when you, if you guys are still, if you guys don't have a partner when you're in your 30s,
04:58:25.020
y'all are still going to be dealing with the same fucking bullshit, I guarantee you.
04:58:30.240
Actually, I have a couple written down of some recent bullshitteries that I've had with women around my age.
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Okay, 28-year-old graduate student, 28, by the way, grad student, right?
04:58:43.020
She flaked on me 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet, not even the legitimate excuse.
04:58:47.880
As I was already driving to the date, by the way, 29-year-old registered nurse.
04:58:53.220
She flaked on me two hours before we were supposed to meet because she had her last-minute realization that she wasn't ready to date again
04:59:00.080
because she had just gone out of a long-term relationship.
04:59:03.560
Maybe she should have figured that out before downloading a dating app, filling in a profile, matching with me, conversing with me, scheduling a date, and waiting until the last minute.
04:59:13.340
31-year-old systems engineer, three months fresh out of a major trauma-filled relationship.
04:59:23.220
She asks me when I'm free next, only to flake the day of and text me saying,
04:59:28.100
been doing some thinking and realize I'm not ready for a relationship yet.
04:59:54.380
She flaked the day of because a lot of things that happened in my personal life recently, including a breakup five to six weeks ago,
05:00:01.240
buying a house, and I really don't feel like dating.
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I don't really have time nor the headspace to date for the foreseeable future.
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37-year-old, by the way, highly successful, established career woman.
05:00:14.140
This is basic shit you figure out before even fucking downloading a dating app.
05:00:22.020
I just had that same situation less than a month ago with a 37-year-old woman.
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Yeah, so like, okay, 31, and here's the last one, guys.
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I went on a date with this 31-year-old clinical cancer researcher.
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I arrived exactly on time because I'm punctual.
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She doesn't, when she finally shows up, by the way, she texts me like five minutes after the planned meet time saying she'll be there in 10 minutes, ends up being 30 minutes late.
05:00:59.180
If you're going to be late, you should text the person well in advance so they can arrange when they leave, but that's besides the point.
05:01:10.100
She doesn't even give me a token apology, not even like, hey, I'm sorry I'm late.
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So the point I'm trying to make is if I'm going to be dealing with this bullshit with women my age, I'm just going to, why would I not just get a woman who's more attractive, lower body count, less likely to have an STD?
05:01:36.880
So if I'm dealing with, like, you talk about, Brian, you should date women your own age because they're more mature.
05:01:44.680
Okay, those are bad experiences, yeah, but no matter what age you are, you're going to have bad experiences on some dates.
05:01:51.740
I have an ex-fiancee and she's 32 years old and I've dated 19-year-olds that have far more maturity than my ex-fiancee.
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And actually, what I would say is, a lot of these women, their objection was, I just got out of a relationship.
05:02:07.360
Now, that could happen with a younger girl, but...
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Why are you going on dates with girls that just got out of a relationship?
05:02:12.100
Why are they on the dating apps, scheduling dates?
05:02:15.580
Why aren't those red flags for you, but body count is?
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We don't even know this is going to come into play until the last second.
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Everyone has bad experiences going on dates like that.
05:02:30.860
No, but this is a rebuttal to you saying you don't have anything in common with a girl who's 19 or 21.
05:02:39.360
I'm not saying that, but, like, let's say you want to get married to this girl, you know.
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She's not going to be able to drink at your wedding.
05:02:47.880
She doesn't know what it's like to hold a real job or have a college education, you know,
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or know anything about, like, doing real-world things.
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I don't think you should get married at 18, 19.
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You can date her for two, three years, but, I mean...
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It could turn into something extremely serious, and by that point, she might be a mom.
05:03:09.520
He might make her a mom by that point, by the time she's 22.
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What do men and women have in common to begin with?
05:03:29.560
I'm looking for something in common with my partner, personally.
05:03:32.560
Like, when I look for someone, I try to have a lot of commonalities with them,
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Like, I want them to want to have a family and raise it wholesomely.
05:03:42.200
Like, there's lots of things that a lot of men right now don't want, and it's kind of hard to find that type of person, you know?
05:03:49.400
So it's important to have similar things in common.
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I feel like I've already said, just because you can say, like, oh, you're going to run into immature people everywhere.
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But when you look at a 33-year-old versus an 18-year-old, who's going to be more mature?
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As I just said, my ex-fiancee is 32, and I've found significantly more mature 19-year-olds than my ex-fiancee, 32.
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Which is when I realized she could never be a mother to my children, which is when I checked out.
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What advantages are there to dating a woman who is 31 versus 21?
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The life experience of a 33-year-old in comparison to an 18-year-old is night and day.
05:05:03.420
Somebody who possibly just got out of living with their parents, never lived on their own,
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never paid a single bill on their own, never knows what it's like to struggle in comparison
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to a 33-year-old that has gone through most of that stuff already.
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Okay, but you said you only have sex with people that you fall in love with.
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He says he has sex with women that he sees potential in.
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Andrew Tate said something about women should only sleep with men they love.
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I never said anything about needing to love a girl to sleep with her.
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You mentioned that you only have sex with girls that you love.
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He said sport and recreation, and then he retracted it.
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You guys are putting some words into my mouth here.
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And I never said that I need to be in love with a girl to sleep with her.
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How can you reconcile that statement with me saying that of the long-term relationships
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I've had, of which there's been three or four of them that have been over a year, I said
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Do you think I was in love with them on the second or third date?
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You said, from my recollection, you said something about sleeping with girls that
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He said you should sleep with people who you, who you love.
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Maybe if I misunderstood, then I apologize, but I do feel like you are contradicting yourself.
05:06:57.720
In regards to your original statement about recreation, sport, the way that you have talked
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about sex in the beginning of this conversation, the way you're talking about it now, you just
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talked about, oh, having sex with a 21-year-old as if you hook up with people when you clearly
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I definitely didn't say that you need to be in love with someone before you sleep with
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Can you not just say if I misunderstood, then I apologize, and I moved on from that?
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So, we don't really have much time to dive super deep into the age gap stuff, but ultimately,
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Does anyone, well, okay, while I try to remember that before I give the outro, does anyone have
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I'm trying to think what the last thing was about the age gap.
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Guys, you can be doing anything else, but you're here with me.
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And also, sorry that we did go a bit late here.
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Just all the super chats and the conversation was spicy.
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Thanks to everyone who super chatted and supports the show.
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Thank you to our chat mods, Zach, Candice, Nemesis, Urameshi, Cadigan.
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Eric, you might be able to pull that one up in StreamYard.
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While we went super late, I need to be wrapping these at 10 p.m.
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Like, it's just, I, maybe the chat, you can give me feedback.
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Because I want to read your guys' super chats, but obviously the super chats are pretty,
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they're a big factor in the conversation continuing.
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Yeah, we'll be live again Sunday at 7 p.m. Pacific.